| 00:00.36 | BlackFate | the default behavior will ask me to add the new pass and retype it |
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| 00:01.31 | catsup | BlackFate: and what do you want it to do? |
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| 00:02.11 | BlackFate | casts, i need to create new users without asking me for new password.To automate it |
| 00:02.21 | BlackFate | catsup, * |
| 00:02.54 | catsup | i see, well, you could just pipe the values to the command, or use 'expect' if that doesn't work |
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| 00:03.28 | BlackFate | catsup, ah! ill look it! thanx |
| 00:03.37 | catsup | like (pw=asdf; echo $pw; echo $pw)|pure-pw useradd ... |
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| 00:03.42 | kyodai | wazzap debian users |
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| 00:22.00 | wad | My RAID5 fell over the other day, when two drives failed out at the same time. I've backed up one of the drives. Now I'm trying to revive the RAID. Is there some way to mark a drive non-faulty, without wiping it? |
| 00:22.12 | wad | I've stopped it with mdadm --stop /dev/md1 |
| 00:23.01 | wad | I used badblocks and verified that sdc1 (one of the two failed drives) has no bad blocks. I suspect a controller hiccup is at fault. |
| 00:23.32 | wad | Now I'm trying to put the RAID back together, without losing all the data on it. |
| 00:23.45 | sontek | /etc/timezone shows US/Eastern but date shows CST... wtfmate? |
| 00:23.59 | karsten-nr | sontek: TZ= ? |
| 00:24.17 | karsten-nr | sontek: You can override system TZ preference with the $TZ environment variable. |
| 00:24.19 | sontek | karsten-nr: that says America/Chicago... where is that one defined? |
| 00:24.34 | sontek | and why is it different than /etc/timezone |
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| 00:24.43 | karsten-nr | sontek: In your shell configs. Could be user or systemwide. |
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| 00:25.05 | karsten-nr | sontek: ... I can't answer that last except "someone set it that way". |
| 00:25.27 | sontek | this is a clean install :P |
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| 00:25.35 | sontek | I told it eastern on the install |
| 00:25.37 | karsten-nr | sontek: Dunno then. |
| 00:25.55 | karsten-nr | sontek: 'grep TZ= ~/.bash* |
| 00:26.05 | karsten-nr | sontek: ... see if it shows there. |
| 00:26.12 | sontek | yeah, grep -r TZ= . |
| 00:26.16 | sontek | is running now |
| 00:26.19 | sontek | nothing found yet |
| 00:26.32 | karsten-nr | That should return pretty much instantly. |
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| 00:27.04 | sontek | I've got a lot of source files in my $HOME :P |
| 00:27.16 | jhutchins_lt | sontek: dpkg-reconfigure timezone |
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| 00:28.01 | sontek | Package `timezone' is not installed and no info is available. |
| 00:28.04 | karsten-nr | sontek: I'd expect that ~/.bash* is a pretty small set. |
| 00:28.23 | sontek | karsten-nr: nothing is setting TZ in my $HOME |
| 00:29.07 | jhutchins_lt | sontek: Sorry, it's tzdata |
| 00:29.58 | sontek | it seems tzdata is already setup properly |
| 00:29.59 | sontek | Current default time zone: 'America/New_York' |
| 00:30.01 | jhutchins_lt | sontek: It's one of the few things where a reboot is recommended after configuring. |
| 00:30.01 | sontek | Local time is now: Tue Mar 8 19:29:28 EST 2011. |
| 00:30.07 | sontek | sontek@steve$ date |
| 00:30.10 | sontek | Tue Mar 8 18:29:34 CST 2011 |
| 00:30.55 | sontek | if I su - date shows est |
| 00:31.00 | sontek | i'll reboot and see what happens |
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| 00:31.18 | karsten-nr | sontek: check /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 00:31.24 | kurtis | Hey guys, does anyone have experience installing Debian over the network on a PPC (Mac) Box? |
| 00:31.26 | karsten-nr | sontek: Possibly something under /etc/init.d/ |
| 00:31.36 | karsten-nr | sontek: But that would surprise me. |
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| 00:32.47 | jhutchins_lt | karsten-nr: Possibly ~/.bashrc |
| 00:32.57 | zac314159 | every time I do apt-get update it asks for me to insert a cd, is there any way to change this? |
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| 00:34.23 | ajikeshi | zac314159, remove the cd from the sources.list |
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| 00:35.36 | johndoe | is there a debian way of installing programs not available under apt? (those usually installed with 'make install') |
| 00:35.42 | zac314159 | cool |
| 00:35.58 | petemc | johndoe: checkinstall |
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| 00:38.00 | nvz | why might I be getting this error? ./circuit.jar: cannot execute binary file |
| 00:38.16 | nvz | the file is mode 700, and it works on the other machine right next to me |
| 00:38.24 | johndoe | try java -jar circuit.jar ? |
| 00:38.50 | nvz | I would've done it that way to begin with if I could remember how. haha.. I probably should've read the manpage |
| 00:39.03 | kurtis | Any suggestions on why Apache2 is installed but I can't remove it with apt? (It says the package is not installed, but it definitely is) |
| 00:40.03 | nvz | johndoe: that does indeed work.. thanks. |
| 00:40.13 | johndoe | nvz: lol np :) |
| 00:40.19 | nvz | nfc why ./ works though on the other machine |
| 00:40.31 | johndoe | no idea |
| 00:41.38 | nvz | was thinking of packaging this thing and sending it back to the author.. its pretty neat.. the guy however doesn't seem to know much about software lisc.. he has a generic description of how to use the software on his site.. but no real lisc |
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| 00:42.55 | AthomIk | kurtis: for installing openbsd on sparc i have read sun help dhcp server, bootp etc |
| 00:43.55 | petemc | kurtis: dpkg -l | grep apache |
| 00:44.12 | nvz | hah.. just realized I do not have metacity on this machine.. would explain why its not starting.. |
| 00:44.17 | themill | kurtis: what makes you say that it is installed and what command are you trying to use to remove it? |
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| 00:44.58 | kurtis | themill: The /etc/apache2 directory is setup like a normal Debain Apache install, it runs on startup, and when i do dpkg --get-selections | grep apache it is listed but in the second column says "deinstall" |
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| 00:45.21 | johndoe | petemc: thanks, that checkinstall program works great! :) |
| 00:45.35 | kurtis | AthomIk: Thanks. I'll try googling some more and see if I can figure it out ... it might just be easier to upgrade lenny to squeeze from what I've read so far :) |
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| 00:46.06 | themill | kurtis: that doesn't mean that any apache packages are currently installed |
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| 00:46.52 | kurtis | themill: Umm, ... so it would just leave the configuration and binary there? haha |
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| 00:47.30 | themill | kurtis: you haven't mentioned anything about binaries. Yes, configuration is kept around when a package is removed but not purged. |
| 00:47.51 | phoenixsampras | phew saved the vm |
| 00:47.55 | kurtis | themill: I said "it runs on startup". I guess I should've been more clear. My apologies |
| 00:48.25 | themill | kurtis: what exactly do you mean by "it runs on startup"? |
| 00:48.35 | phoenixsampras | thanks for the advices |
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| 00:48.48 | kurtis | themill: It says "Starting up Apache" (or something to that tune) and it's running right now |
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| 00:49.15 | themill | kurtis: what was the output of the command that petemc suggested? |
| 00:49.24 | themill | (stick it in a pastebin) |
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| 00:50.23 | kurtis | themill: I can't copy it over. But basically there are 3 lines: apache2.2-common, libapache2-mod-php5, and libapache2-mod-wsgi |
| 00:50.32 | kurtis | themill: I don't know if it's important, but each line begins with "rc" |
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| 00:50.49 | themill | that means they already removed |
| 00:51.09 | kurtis | hmm, weird. So something went wrong at some point. |
| 00:51.29 | kurtis | Well, I'll try to just clean up apache manually then. Thanks for the help guys! |
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| 00:52.19 | themill | kurtis: what does "ls /usr/bin/apache2 /usr/local/bin/apache2" say? |
| 00:52.59 | petemc | sneaky |
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| 00:53.23 | kurtis | themill: Just a second too quick on my part, I just deleted /usr/local/bin/apache2 haha |
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| 00:54.07 | themill | ahh.... that will explain it then. The apache that was running wasn't the one from the debian packages |
| 00:54.08 | k0Do | hi, i am trying to install squeeze. i tried several combinations of the options, but always an error in debootstrap |
| 00:54.09 | kurtis | themill: Thank you for the help though. I really appreaciate it |
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| 01:01.35 | kurtis | Hey guys, in the Squeeze upgrade instructions, it says I need to be at the latest kernel and udev .... but these are already installed and updated to the latest version Lenny has. Am I supposed to change my repos before this step? (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html 4.4.5) |
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| 01:03.48 | kurtis | Nevermind! I just read over the previous step too fast. |
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| 01:05.30 | kurtis | Should I be using the "volatile" repos if I am upgrading to squeeze? (It says not found, anyways) |
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| 01:07.16 | robokop | kurtis: squeeze renamed volatile to updates |
| 01:08.01 | robokop | kurtis: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian squeeze-updates main |
| 01:08.16 | kurtis | robokop: Awesome, that worked perfectly. Thank you! |
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| 01:08.46 | karmst | Hello |
| 01:08.48 | karmst | Does anyone know of a web based, self-hosted time tracking system for help desk use / service call tracking? |
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| 01:11.04 | kurtis | karmst: Sorry, no idea. You could try sourceforge or somewhere similar |
| 01:11.16 | robokop | karmst: request-tracker |
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| 01:12.01 | robokop | ,versions request-tracker3.8 |
| 01:12.03 | judd | Package request-tracker3.8 on i386 -- lenny-backports: 3.8.8-7~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.8.8-7; sid: 3.8.9-1; wheezy: 3.8.9-1 |
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| 01:12.30 | kurtis | I like RT but I dunno if it would suite his needs |
| 01:12.45 | karmst | robo that's a pretty good app but I need something with a timer built in |
| 01:13.03 | mosno | i am running upstream firefox on debian 6.0 amd64 because i need the latest versions of certain firefox extensions (ie. firebug) that only run on firefox 3.6. what is the best way to add/configure apt so that i can install the 32-bit flashplugin-nonfree ? |
| 01:13.15 | mactimes | Hey. Is there any known problem with umask wrapper for sftp? It's not assigning the correct attributes for directories. |
| 01:13.22 | mosno | ie. grab it from the i386 distro or something |
| 01:14.00 | mosno | (i am thinking that i should have just installed debian as i386, but i didn't foresee this unfortunately) |
| 01:14.03 | mactimes | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l amd64 btw. |
| 01:14.18 | robokop | karmst: trac might do the trick, but not sure though |
| 01:14.46 | kurtis | mosno: There's a whole compatibilty package I think you can download ... but I'm not sure on the specifics. It's been a while |
| 01:14.53 | mactimes | Subsystem sftp /bin/sh -c umask 0002; /usr/libexec/openssh/sftp-server should do the job, right? |
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| 01:15.28 | mosno | kurtis, i assume you mean ia32-libs* ? |
| 01:15.44 | mosno | kurtis, i have that, but it doesn't help me with flash |
| 01:15.49 | kurtis | mosno: Yeah, but you'd also have to run the 32bit version of Firefox as far as I recall |
| 01:16.02 | mosno | kurtis, well afaik upstream don't ship 64-bit firefox, so i am using 32-bit |
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| 01:17.29 | mosno | kurtis, i think i need nspluginwrapper |
| 01:17.39 | mosno | kurtis, and to manually (shudder) install flash |
| 01:18.51 | kurtis | mosno: haha. It should be pretty easy. I think you just drop the binary into a directory and restart firefox |
| 01:19.18 | mosno | kurtis, it's more the fact that i'm dirtying-up my system with pure adobe |
| 01:19.19 | kurtis | mosno: Also, I'm pretty sure Ubuntu has it in their repo. I wonder if you could just include their repo? (i've never tried) |
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| 01:19.38 | mosno | kurtis, what i am wondering is if i can tell apt to install 32-bit debs from the official debian repos onto this 64-bit system |
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| 01:19.57 | mosno | ie. something like aptitude install --arch=i386 flashplugin-nonfree |
| 01:20.10 | kurtis | mosno: ahh okay. Sorry I misinterpreted your question ... I honestly don't know, but it doesn't hurt to try |
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| 01:20.26 | kurtis | I don't see why it wouldn't work, as long as you have the 32bit dependencys (ia32lib) |
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| 01:27.18 | kurtis | Any word on if/when Debian is going to include the Libre kernel in their Repos? |
| 01:28.06 | robokop | libre kernel, what do you mean, the debian kernel contains no tainted binary blobs anymore |
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| 01:28.54 | kurtis | robokop: Really? I thought it did (hence the reason for gnewsense) |
| 01:29.17 | mosno | kurtis, gnewsense is older than debian 6.0 |
| 01:29.29 | mosno | kurtis, also, fsf objects to the non-free component of the distro |
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| 01:29.47 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 01:29.49 | mosno | kurtis, (which i happen to love :)) |
| 01:30.02 | kurtis | Ahh okay. So as of 6.0 the kernel is all libre? That's awesome. So really you just have to not include the non-free repos and you're set if you want to be a purest? |
| 01:30.07 | robokop | in non-free there is a package which contains the non-free firmware |
| 01:30.09 | man_in_shack | is there a way to get an nfs share to map file ownerships to users with the same name but different uid? |
| 01:30.09 | mosno | kurtis, pretty much |
| 01:30.27 | kurtis | That's really cool. I love Debian :) |
| 01:30.45 | man_in_shack | e.g., i have a user called "foo" on both client and server, but "foo" on server is uid=1010 and "foo" on client is uid=1000 |
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| 01:59.15 | dirkson | How do I tell apt "dist-upgrade everything except the linux kernel"? |
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| 02:01.15 | dondelelcaro | dirkson: hold the linux-kernel metapackage, and then upgrade everything else. |
| 02:01.22 | dondelelcaro | dirkson: though there's really no reason not to upgrade the kernel too |
| 02:01.32 | dondelelcaro | (you can always go back to the previous kernel) |
| 02:01.53 | dirkson | dondelelcaro: Oh, I suppose. Newer kernels introduced a bug on my hardware though. |
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| 02:02.27 | dondelelcaro | dirkson: ah, ok; in that case just hold the appropriate kernel metapackage while you upgrade |
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| 02:03.07 | dirkson | dondelelcaro: Awesome! *holds the laptop* ... Done? |
| 02:03.20 | dondelelcaro | !tell dirkson -about hold |
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| 02:07.10 | man_in_ltop | looks around |
| 02:07.19 | man_in_ltop | so yeah, i need a network filesystem solution that maps server and client uids and gids based on usernames |
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| 02:09.01 | dondelelcaro | man_in_ltop: nfs can do that using rpc.idmapd or similar, but normally you'd juse use a central ldap/nis/kerberos setup |
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| 02:11.04 | man_in_ltop | well i'm halfway done with an nfs configuration |
| 02:11.16 | man_in_ltop | how do i configure rpc.idmapd? :) |
| 02:11.22 | dondelelcaro | dunno, I don't use it |
| 02:11.27 | dondelelcaro | uses centralized ldap |
| 02:12.37 | mosno | dondelelcaro, do you have any windows clients talking to that by any chance? |
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| 02:13.12 | dondelelcaro | mosno: nope. I don't use windows clients |
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| 02:13.48 | dondelelcaro | mosno: but plenty of people have configured that sort of thing; russ allbery has configured something similar for Stanford which works for them |
| 02:14.08 | dondelelcaro | (and ISTR his blog posts detailing some of the configuration information) |
| 02:15.16 | mosno | dondelelcaro, thanks |
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| 02:21.01 | simonrvn | well, ipv6 connections timing out... i have ping6 running via cron job.. seems irc cxn isn't enough to keep it alive o_O. i searched for this, and it's a long standing problem with the ipv6 stack. the icmp6 packets help, but it shouldn't time out just because arp tables are stale.... what a pita. anyone else got a better solution? (other than fixing the core issue, which imo is better, but i'm no kernel hacker) |
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| 02:22.23 | simonrvn | the machine in question is behind ipv4 nat, and the issue is related to stateful filtering on the router. |
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| 02:34.41 | simonrvn | ok, so there's no arp in v6, but they moved that to icmp. wth. |
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| 02:40.33 | b0nghitter | what would be the ideal app to convert a .mkv to .mp4 h264, in lenny? |
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| 02:41.49 | karsten-nr | b0nghitter: What's .mkv? I'm assuming a video format. |
| 02:42.15 | b0nghitter | yes, blueray image |
| 02:42.52 | b0nghitter | it is the correct formats, h264 and aac, but i need a .mp4.. idk what to use in linux for that stuff |
| 02:43.22 | b0nghitter | from the looks of it ffmpeg, but if anyone has a better suggestion id be happy to hear |
| 02:44.43 | karsten-nr | b0nghitter: yeah, I'd suggest looking up appropriate video codec converters elsewhere, that's a bit specialized a question for here. |
| 02:46.09 | b0nghitter | ok, i was just hoping someone knew of a good one. thanks |
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| 02:50.27 | b0nghitter | it appears i cannot install libmkv0 and handbrake-cli from aptitude |
| 02:50.42 | b0nghitter | i get 404 file not found |
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| 02:52.17 | simonrvn | try again. hit "cancel" then try g again |
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| 02:53.49 | b0nghitter | oh its on debian-multimedia |
| 02:54.05 | b0nghitter | i tried, same thing |
| 02:55.03 | simonrvn | that won't work. will only if you have several mirrors for a repo. gotta wait until it's finished uploading/updating on remote |
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| 03:02.40 | Animeking | Is debian stable recommended for beginners? D: or how is it in comparison to other distros |
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| 03:02.54 | dvs | Animeking: yes |
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| 03:04.51 | Animeking | Okay, does it provide most of the functionality of other newbie distros, which I assume let you mount stuff easily without much trouble or anything else? :/ IDK, I'm just asking before I decide recommending it |
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| 03:06.11 | engla | Stable was released a month ago! and its apps are pretty recent http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a |
| 03:06.19 | engla | Animeking: that was for you^ |
| 03:06.23 | dvs | Animeking: I'm probably going to get banned for this but there might be times when you have to edit config files which isn't trivial |
| 03:07.02 | xk | banned? |
| 03:07.40 | dvs | was going to say the "u" word |
| 03:07.59 | xk | wonders which u word |
| 03:08.11 | xk | oh |
| 03:08.18 | xk | :) |
| 03:08.20 | dvs | ;-) |
| 03:08.37 | engla | which config files? |
| 03:08.44 | xk | that reminds me, I need to reinstall it to get rid of that u word :) |
| 03:09.11 | man_in_ltop | huh |
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| 03:10.16 | man_in_ltop | i'm trying to mount an nfs4 share, and i'm getting: mount.nfs4: Protocol not supported |
| 03:10.22 | man_in_ltop | debian sid |
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| 03:11.37 | Animeking | So, how well known is debian for its 'stability' :/ |
| 03:11.47 | iAmerikan | extremely. |
| 03:11.49 | dvs | Animeking: very |
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| 03:15.27 | kpoman | do someone know how to solve "dpkg: failed in buffer_read(fd): copy info file `/var/lib/dpkg/status': Input/output error" |
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| 03:17.27 | kpoman | oh ok I see I guess I dont have space on the fs |
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| 03:51.37 | tgies | is it normal to have a whole big stupid bunch of packages "automatically installed and no longer required" on a fresh install of squeeze amd64, having selected desktop environment and laptop in tasksel? |
| 03:51.53 | man_in_ltop | heh, tasksel |
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| 03:52.26 | dvs | unmarkauto is your friend. |
| 03:56.05 | tgies | i never trusted tasksel and my first experience actually faffing about with it has generally sort of vindicated my suspicion |
| 03:56.41 | tgies | when the installer presented me with tasksel i picked desktop and laptop and somehow ended up with mail server and laptop instead |
| 03:57.29 | karlpinc | tgies: The default in apt is now to install recommended packages. This can add lots of stuff. |
| 03:57.30 | tgies | i invoked it again and selected desktop and had to do that over several times due to it apparently deciding it was done after fetching 30 or so packages out of hundreds |
| 03:57.34 | karlpinc | !why recommends |
| 03:57.34 | dpkg | From lenny onwards, apt-get and aptitude both install "Recommended" packages by default. From <policy> section 7.2, Recommends, "declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations." You're not that unusual, trust us. By not installing "recommended" packages you will be missing functionality. |
| 03:58.00 | tgies | yeah! I just ran into that because quassel-client tried to install rec: quassel-core, heh |
| 03:58.06 | tgies | interesting |
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| 04:05.59 | nsadmin | "You're not that unusual, trust us." == "There's no chance you're smarter than us, bitch"? |
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| 04:09.39 | b0nghitter | it seems there is no libmkv amd64 for lenny |
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| 04:11.19 | b0nghitter | would trying to compile it from the latest source be a bad idea? |
| 04:12.47 | b0nghitter | or the source of the same version that lenny has for i386 |
| 04:12.55 | nsadmin | well put --prefix= in somewhere like /home/you, /usr/local (or /usr/local/libmkv maybe) or /opt |
| 04:14.44 | nsadmin | (that is, keep it out of visibility from ld and ld.so, and specify where it is in projects you want to link to it, and in LD_LIBRARY_PATH when you want to run them |
| 04:14.53 | nsadmin | ) |
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| 04:15.18 | b0nghitter | odd, now it is attemping to fetch the amd64 libmkv.... |
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| 04:15.47 | nsadmin | do you have amd64 userland? |
| 04:16.01 | b0nghitter | yes |
| 04:16.12 | nsadmin | that would be why |
| 04:16.54 | b0nghitter | cool i found it.. damn dmm is always down :[ |
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| 04:20.22 | tgies | <nsadmin> "You're not that unusual, trust us." == "There's no chance you're smarter than us, bitch"? |
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| 04:20.46 | tgies | well, about five minutes out of the gate on a new squeeze install i ran into a stupid recommendation that i had to override |
| 04:20.50 | tgies | so, yeah |
| 04:21.05 | tgies | quassel-client was determined that if i wanted the client i wanted to run a server locally as well |
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| 04:21.43 | mrdebuntu | do you recommend crunchbang |
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| 04:25.45 | nsadmin | mrdebuntu: try it and see what you think |
| 04:26.28 | mrdebuntu | i have |
| 04:26.47 | nsadmin | what are you looking for? what do you want? |
| 04:27.11 | mrdebuntu | stability speed chocie |
| 04:27.56 | nsadmin | speed is more about your machine, how much ram, how much cache is on the processor |
| 04:28.10 | nsadmin | stability, as in for a server? |
| 04:28.17 | mrdebuntu | what package or group should i install during the base isntall so that kernel headers are installed and i can compile broadcom? |
| 04:28.31 | mrdebuntu | yes |
| 04:28.46 | nvz | so... my cpu has been at 100% for a long time now.. thought it was the tightvnc-java I had open or something.. but I closed all that now and decided to see why its still at 100% and turns out its nautilus.. wonder what its up to.. |
| 04:28.49 | nsadmin | I dunno crunchbang |
| 04:28.51 | nvz | hmmz |
| 04:29.25 | tgies | anyone using tmpfs for /tmp and is there a recommended way of going about that other than to just set it up in fstab |
| 04:29.34 | mrdebuntu | tgies: i use fstab |
| 04:29.35 | nsadmin | but debian pretty much strives for stability; the stable (currently squeeze) is probably what you should try |
| 04:29.57 | nsadmin | why would you not use fstab? |
| 04:30.08 | nvz | says its sleeping and only using 9.6MiB memory... and I have no nautilus windows open its only managing the desktop that I can see... yet its using all of my CPU.. |
| 04:30.13 | mrdebuntu | i mount tmpfs in ssd |
| 04:30.19 | tgies | i saw some nonsense on the debian.org forums where someone was using an init script to do it |
| 04:30.28 | tgies | i thought that was a stupid way to do it |
| 04:30.42 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:30.46 | tgies | mrdebuntu: i'm talking about the actual filesystem tmpfs i.e. ramdisk |
| 04:30.47 | nvz | installs strace |
| 04:30.50 | nsadmin | which is what fstab is for |
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| 04:31.37 | tgies | nsadmin: that was my thinking, just wanted to be sure i wasn't missing something since i had seen it done other ways |
| 04:31.38 | mrdebuntu | tgies: i dont understand |
| 04:32.10 | tgies | mrdebuntu: you can't "mount tmpfs in ssd" because tmpfs is a type of filesystem that does not reside on a disk |
| 04:32.16 | karlpinc | !tell mrdebuntu about overview |
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| 04:32.19 | tgies | it is a memory-based filesystem |
| 04:32.36 | karlpinc | mrdebuntu: ^^ FYI as you seem new to debian. |
| 04:33.58 | mrdebuntu | tgies: i mount /tmp and /var/log as tmpfs in fstab on a ssd |
| 04:34.18 | tgies | that statement doesn't make sense |
| 04:34.23 | nvz | hmm... I am doing an scp through an openvpn tunnel of a large file from my friend's computer and when I just straced nautilus to see why its using 100% cpu, its polling a read call on that file I'm copying to /home/nvz/ I have no nautilus windows open and nautilus should have NOTHING to do with this copy operation going on inside screen via scp and openvpn |
| 04:34.28 | tgies | you can't "mount tmpfs on an ssd" |
| 04:34.33 | nvz | anyone have any thoughts on that? |
| 04:34.37 | tgies | tmpfs does not involve a disk in any way |
| 04:34.54 | mrdebuntu | the directories are mounted as temp file systems in ram |
| 04:34.58 | mrdebuntu | so they write to ram |
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| 04:36.32 | tgies | right, which is why I don't know what you mean when you say "in ssd" |
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| 04:39.00 | mrdebuntu | ssd=solid state disk drive |
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| 04:39.46 | nsadmin | tmpfs doesn't use a disk, it uses your ram |
| 04:40.01 | mrdebuntu | that's right |
| 04:40.21 | karlpinc | mrdebuntu: An ssd pretends it's a disk. tmpfs does not need a disk. |
| 04:40.37 | nsadmin | so, if you want /tmp on a ssd, you need to partition it (possibly) and write a blank filesystem to it |
| 04:40.47 | mrdebuntu | i dont understand |
| 04:40.56 | nsadmin | then you put that information into /etc/fstab |
| 04:41.06 | karlpinc | mrdebuntu: What are you trying to do? |
| 04:41.25 | mrdebuntu | if you leave it along, the files are written to hte ssd. if i mount the directories to tmpfs, then it writes them to the ram, and they disappear at boot, which saves writes |
| 04:42.03 | nsadmin | yes, that's right |
| 04:43.57 | Rusty1 | nvz: lfos any help? |
| 04:45.13 | tgies | mrdebuntu: the point is that it's nonsensical to say it's "mounted in tmpfs on an ssd" because the ssd does not enter into the process at any point |
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| 04:45.45 | mrdebuntu | tgies: i dont know how it doesn, if the os is installed on it |
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| 04:49.33 | tgies | mrdebuntu: but tmpfs does not require a disk to even exist, it doesn't touch the disk, tmpfs is not "mounted on" the disk |
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| 04:50.37 | mrdebuntu | ok |
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| 04:51.20 | macrobat | the "mount on disk" notion is very very wrong anyway. you mount filesystems (that resides on partitions) on mountpoints like /media/cdrom0 |
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| 04:51.49 | nvz | Rusty1: not particularly... |
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| 04:52.39 | nvz | I wanna just kill it, but on the other hand I wanna know why the hell nautilus is trying to read a file that I'm copying via a SSH session on a remote machine across the internet via OpenVPN |
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| 04:54.37 | tkooda | what package version should I use if I want to produce a patched version of say "3.2-0hello18"? -I'm trying to append stuff like "3.2-0hello18.me1" and "3.2-0hello18~me1" but neither the ".me1" or "~me1" seem to take preceidence over the absence of chars after the original "3.2-0hello18". -any ideas? |
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| 04:57.19 | karlpinc | tkooda: I recall seeing some related material in the README for make-kpkg. Dunno. Perhaps the policy manual has such packaging info. |
| 04:58.03 | Rusty1 | nvz: i wonder if gvfs has a role in it |
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| 04:58.15 | tkooda | I've read through `man deb-version` to no avail.. will try make-kpkg docs |
| 05:00.46 | nvz | Rusty1: I would imagine so.. but how or why I don't know |
| 05:01.42 | nvz | Rusty1: I haven't had any nautilus windows open in hours.. the only visual symptom other than my CPU monitor applet, is that one of the screenshots I took awhile ago on my desktop still shows an hour glass instead of a thumbnail |
| 05:02.23 | nvz | Rusty1: strace shows it constantly polling this file I'm copying to /home/nvz and getting resource unavailable.. but it shouldn't even be looking at my damn file.. its none of nautilus's f'n business.. heh |
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| 05:03.00 | nvz | Rusty1: I'm about to kill nautilus I guess.. cause I really don't feel like pissing with it all day to figure out why its being ignorant |
| 05:03.45 | nvz | Rusty1: its only actually using about 87% of the cpu.. which is why I can still sit here and complain about it.. its leaving just enough available resources for me to still do other things with only moderate lag |
| 05:04.30 | nvz | Otherwise I'd have had to SysRq it a long time ago |
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| 05:05.22 | Rusty1 | nvz: wiresharking the connection maybe show some handshaking fu |
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| 05:06.17 | nvz | I do have samba running.. why IDK.. gonna stop that and check mtab for any dangling fs see if that does anything |
| 05:06.42 | Rusty1 | lsof, again |
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| 05:07.30 | nvz | well samba is stopped, nothing in mtab other than the usual suspects.. root fs, tmpfs..etc |
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| 05:07.45 | nvz | the file finished copying via scp from the remote host |
| 05:08.03 | nvz | gonna strace again too |
| 05:08.30 | dextro_ | trying to compile a ircd and did apt-get install openssl |
| 05:08.41 | dextro_ | but when i try and compile ircd i get: checking for openssl... not found |
| 05:08.41 | dextro_ | Apparently you do not have both the openssl binary and openssl development libraries installed. |
| 05:08.48 | dextro_ | :( |
| 05:08.54 | nvz | inotify_add_watch(21, "/home/nvz/Templates", IN_MODIFY|IN_ATTRIB|IN_CLOSE_WRITE|IN_MOVED_FROM|IN_MOVED_TO|IN_CREATE|IN_DELETE|IN_DELETE_SELF|IN_MOVE_SELF|IN_UNMOUNT|IN_ONLYDIR) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 05:09.01 | nvz | among others... |
| 05:09.13 | nvz | repeating in a seemingly endless loop |
| 05:09.49 | nvz | nautilus is being very naughty |
| 05:09.58 | nvz | dextro_: because its looking for the headers, you installed the binary |
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| 05:10.16 | nvz | dextro_: openssl-dev |
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| 05:11.14 | nvz | !sing sussudio |
| 05:11.15 | dpkg | sings "Su, su, sudio...Su, su, sussudio" |
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| 05:12.04 | nvz | wonders if sussudio is still alive... |
| 05:12.22 | tgies | nautilus is constantly coming up with new and imaginative ways to piss me off |
| 05:12.26 | tgies | ive def seen that before nvz |
| 05:12.55 | Andorin | Are .ttf files for fonts cross-platform? As in, can I download any old .ttf and place it in .fonts/ and use it? |
| 05:12.56 | nvz | tgies: oh its nuts.. part of me really wants to figure out what the hell its up to.. part of me just wants to send a SIGSEGV |
| 05:13.10 | tgies | ive also seen it just sort of go comatose trying to repeatedly subscribe to inotify for every single file |
| 05:13.17 | nvz | love and kisses, SIGSEGV.. |
| 05:13.53 | nvz | I'm not overly familiar with the innards of GNOME in general |
| 05:14.06 | nvz | all I know is nautilus is being very naughty |
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| 05:14.27 | tgies | Andorin: basically, yes |
| 05:14.39 | nvz | and I'm about to go watch this video I just copied.. so I'm gonna have to kill it so I can get on with life.. |
| 05:14.47 | mrdebuntu | is there a fix for the broken thunar-volman with no hal? |
| 05:14.55 | Andorin | tgies: Thanks... on Debian, is there a security risk in downloading .ttf files from unknown sources? |
| 05:15.01 | tgies | i believe you'll want to do an `fc-cache -f -v` after to make it rebuild font cache |
| 05:15.11 | Andorin | Right |
| 05:15.43 | tgies | Andorin: the only way that could happen is if there was some sort of buffer overflow or similar issue with the font libraries |
| 05:15.47 | tgies | which is vanishingly unlikely |
| 05:15.53 | Andorin | Alright, thank you |
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| 05:16.32 | arvind_khadri | What is sussudio nvz |
| 05:16.36 | tgies | and someone really clever figured out how to create a malformed ttf file to exploit it, and actually took the time to |
| 05:16.41 | tgies | which is even more unlikely |
| 05:16.45 | tgies | so, go nuts |
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| 05:18.31 | Ratty_ | I'm trying to install proftpd using apt but it doesn't create an /etc/init.d/protftpd file. |
| 05:18.34 | Ratty_ | What am I doing wrong? |
| 05:18.48 | karlpinc | !tell Ratty_ about readme.debian |
| 05:19.04 | karlpinc | Ratty_: (But I prefer vsftp. proftp always seems to annoy.) |
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| 05:19.42 | Ratty_ | It has no mention of anything special about init.d in the readmes |
| 05:19.45 | karlpinc | Ratty_: Maybe it's starting itself from inetd. |
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| 05:19.53 | Ratty_ | It's not starting |
| 05:20.04 | karlpinc | Ratty_: Is the port listening? |
| 05:20.11 | Ratty_ | nope |
| 05:20.24 | karlpinc | Ratty_: What do the logs say? Particuarly /var/log/daemon. |
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| 05:20.40 | karlpinc | Ratty_: (There may be a ftp specific log too, I forget.) |
| 05:21.00 | Ratty_ | Mar 9 05:06:03 ratty proftpd[15767]: error: cannot execute /usr/sbin/proftpd: No such file or directory |
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| 05:21.24 | freeone3000 | I have a somewhat-old Debian install running inside VirtualBox. It's not recognizing the attached eth0 device "network device 1". It gets loopback, but `ifup eth0` complains that there's no such device. What should I try? (And should I be asking in here or #vbox ?) |
| 05:21.43 | Ratty_ | Maybe the package is broken |
| 05:21.53 | Ratty_ | I guess I'll try vsftpd |
| 05:23.07 | tgies | freeone3000 istr having to change the settings on the virtual network interface in virtualbox b/c debian doesn't ship with the kernel module for the default one |
| 05:23.13 | tgies | there's a way to tell it what type of device to emulate |
| 05:23.45 | tgies | bbl |
| 05:25.06 | freeone3000 | Okay. Which network devices does debian kernel support? It's currently set to PCnet-PCI II. I thought that'd be good enough. I could set it to one of the intel ones, or PCnet-PCI III. |
| 05:26.44 | nvz | freeone3000: why are you even installing an older version of debian in there? |
| 05:26.56 | freeone3000 | nvz: Old image. |
| 05:27.07 | freeone3000 | I'd love to update the image, but no networking. |
| 05:27.27 | freeone3000 | Well, June 1st 2010. Not that old. |
| 05:27.29 | nvz | tgies: Debian 6.0 works with VB from the install.. seems like the kernerl has vb guest stuff in it already |
| 05:28.38 | nvz | freeone3000: well that would be lenny then I guess.. and it should support any of the VB networking interfaces |
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| 05:28.52 | freeone3000 | Yet, `ifup eth0` gives nothing. |
| 05:29.26 | freeone3000 | I have a device configured as PCnet-PCI II using NAT. This should just plain work for outgoing connections from the guest. |
| 05:29.32 | nvz | freeone3000: yeah well fyi that's about as useful as saying `ifcookiemonster bigbird` gives nothing.. heh |
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| 05:30.01 | nvz | freeone3000: nobody said your drivers were loaded or that your interface name was eth0 |
| 05:30.10 | nvz | you might actually wanna check first |
| 05:30.22 | nvz | lsmod, dmesg.. etc |
| 05:30.29 | nvz | lspci.. |
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| 05:32.20 | freeone3000 | lsmod gives me pcnet32, which is a compatible driver for that network card. lspci gives me a AMD PCnet32 LANCE Ethernet Adapter on 00:03.0. dmesg says "eth0 registered as PC-Net PCI II"... and then later udev remaps it to eth3. |
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| 05:32.53 | freeone3000 | So the quick fix would be to change the eth0 line in /etc/network/interfaces to eth3. How would I stop udev from renaming my devices? |
| 05:34.45 | nvz | udev is evil like that.. |
| 05:35.23 | xk | dpkg: disable persistent interface naming |
| 05:35.24 | dpkg | Persistent naming of network interfaces (ask me about <70>) is a recommended Debian system default, but this can be disabled. Squeeze: "touch /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules && rm /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules" ; Lenny: "cd /etc/udev/rules.d && rm 70-persistent-net.rules 75-persistent-net-generator.rules". See also <backup>, <confmiss>. |
| 05:35.42 | karlpinc | !70 |
| 05:35.43 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Squeeze, Lenny) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
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| 05:36.27 | freeone3000 | Thanks. |
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| 05:41.45 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 05:42.19 | johnfg | OK, can't find it,so, where does tomboy notes keep it's notes? Not in ~/.tomboy, as before. |
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| 05:48.03 | johnfg | ok,it's in ~/.local/share/tomboy |
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| 05:49.11 | rooob | I'm starting a kvm vps host and I"m looking for a distro that keeps a strong modern kernel |
| 05:49.14 | rooob | is debian right for me? |
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| 05:53.48 | karlpinc | rooob: Debian keeps a stable kernel that's kept up with security packages. |
| 05:54.04 | karlpinc | rooob: s/packages/patches/ |
| 05:54.25 | rooob | karlpinc: can you compare it to rhel6 as a kvm host? |
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| 05:54.59 | karlpinc | rooob: No. I don't do kvm and am unfamiliar with the toolset. |
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| 05:56.45 | karlpinc | rooob: You could try again later (particularly during the week some heavy sysadm types hang out here). Weekends are slack-ish. |
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| 05:57.40 | mrdebuntu | who develops the kernel |
| 05:58.41 | rooob | karlpinc: what time? Later tomorrow? |
| 05:58.44 | rooob | today's tuesday |
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| 06:05.43 | Ratty_ | *POP* |
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| 06:07.15 | karlpinc | rooob: Daytime US time. |
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| 06:07.29 | karlpinc | rooob: Oh. Yah. Today's tuesday. |
| 06:07.51 | karlpinc | rooob: Or just try again later. |
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| 06:10.22 | rooob | karlpinc: :) I might go to rhel6 or something like that |
| 06:10.27 | rooob | I'm looking for a modern OS |
| 06:10.33 | rooob | with kvm support and good userbase |
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| 06:18.14 | sussudio | !fist nvz |
| 06:18.15 | dpkg | uses nvz as a handpuppet |
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| 06:36.11 | VirusScan | hello |
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| 06:45.45 | kingsley_ | If you've every used one of Ken Iverson's programming languages, you know how elegant an array programming language can be. |
| 06:46.07 | kingsley_ | He won the Turing Award for his language named APL. |
| 06:46.20 | kingsley_ | Some people think of APL as a "tool for thought". |
| 06:46.36 | kingsley_ | It helps you solve hard problems fast. |
| 06:46.51 | kingsley_ | APL programmers may be ten times as productive as others. |
| 06:46.52 | karlpinc | kingsley_: That's a bit offtopic. (I prefer scheme, or haskell.) |
| 06:47.05 | kingsley_ | karlpinc: Hold on... |
| 06:47.22 | kingsley_ | After APL, Ken made an even better array processing language. |
| 06:47.30 | kingsley_ | It's named j. |
| 06:47.35 | karlpinc | kingsley_: Take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 06:48.44 | kingsley_ | karlpinc: I think my news is of interest to debian users. |
| 06:49.18 | kingsley_ | But out of deference to you, I'll get to the point. |
| 06:49.52 | kingsley_ | It was announced a week ago that j will be released under the free software license named GPL3, and therefor can now be included in debian. |
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| 06:50.18 | kingsley_ | http://old.nabble.com/J-Source-GPL-p31045068s24193.html |
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| 06:58.28 | piercedwater | does anyone have the debian-multimedia repository entry for the sources file handy? |
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| 07:00.40 | ElDiabolo | Did the exim vulnerability (CVE-2010-4344) affect amd64? |
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| 07:01.15 | ElDiabolo | If so, why did the NX bit not prevent that. |
| 07:01.21 | ElDiabolo | ? |
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| 07:18.32 | ElDiabolo_ | The NX bit is enabled by default, is it? |
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| 07:23.03 | piercedwater | anyone here exported a mp3fs volume via samba? |
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| 07:31.18 | dextro_ | checking for openssl... not found |
| 07:31.18 | dextro_ | Apparently you do not have both the openssl binary and openssl development libraries installed. |
| 07:31.35 | dextro_ | i have done apt-get install openssl && apt-get install openssl-dev |
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| 07:34.32 | blast_hardcheese | What am I missing here? http://blast.hardchee.se/pnopaste/?71 |
| 07:35.05 | blast_hardcheese | I'm trying to create a completely virtual bridge as a communication channel between my kvm instances |
| 07:35.21 | blast_hardcheese | I don't want it backed by a physical NIC |
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| 07:36.40 | sep | blast_hardcheese, I dont have addresses for the host, when the network is between guests only |
| 07:37.04 | blast_hardcheese | sep: I was going to have the host be the dns server between guests |
| 07:37.04 | sep | blast_hardcheese, and i dont use allow-hotplug when i autostart them with auto |
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| 07:38.23 | blast_hardcheese | sep: I was getting an error before... http://blast.hardchee.se/pnopaste/?72 |
| 07:38.45 | blast_hardcheese | I created the bridge manually, then when I ifdown br1 && ifup br1 it didn't give me the error anymore |
| 07:38.48 | blast_hardcheese | I didn't change anything |
| 07:39.43 | blast_hardcheese | weird. |
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| 07:41.05 | sep | blast_hardcheese, hum i guess the host i had that config on have been reinstalled. but if i can remember i think i either used a used a bridge_ports tapX or dummy ; or that i used a up brctl command |
| 07:42.16 | blast_hardcheese | Hmm. Would tapX create the tap interface, or would I have a chicken-in-the-egg problem trying to create a tap interface? (Or would I create the tap in the pre-up?) |
| 07:42.42 | blast_hardcheese | Once I get puppet set up I'll shut down the vms and make sure the networks come up correctly |
| 07:42.54 | sep | i think i used bridge_ports none |
| 07:42.56 | sep | actualyl |
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| 07:42.59 | blast_hardcheese | Ah, gotcha |
| 07:43.10 | sep | mind works a bit slow :P |
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| 07:43.47 | blast_hardcheese | You can't compete with me in that regard, I've been running on 3 hours of sleep for 2 days now ;) |
| 07:44.12 | sep | gets another coffee |
| 07:44.14 | sep | think you need it |
| 07:44.24 | blast_hardcheese | Good idea actually,heh |
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| 07:44.41 | sep | i was sure this was in man interfaces at some point in time but i failed to find it now |
| 07:45.27 | blast_hardcheese | Yeah, I'm kind of dumbfounded regarding the complete lack of bridge stuff in there |
| 07:45.30 | sep | man bridge-utils-interfaces |
| 07:45.40 | blast_hardcheese | Where'd you find that? |
| 07:45.47 | sep | dpkg -L bridge-utils |
| 07:45.47 | dpkg | ii bridge-utils 2.4-14.3 sep's private porn collection |
| 07:45.53 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:46.05 | blast_hardcheese | brilliant |
| 07:46.40 | blast_hardcheese | Also, "sep's private porn collection", you have a repo/package set up for your porn? That's hardcore. |
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| 07:47.07 | sep | blast_hardcheese, quite common on debian i think. makes it easy to keep all machines up to date. |
| 07:47.18 | blast_hardcheese | nice |
| 07:47.24 | blast_hardcheese | I just use git |
| 07:47.59 | sep | version controlled porn ... |
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| 07:48.07 | sep | !! :) |
| 07:48.18 | blast_hardcheese | It's the only way to fly ;) |
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| 07:49.52 | blast_hardcheese | Actually... sysadmin porn is how fast my new Sandy Bridge i7 starts up |
| 07:50.26 | blast_hardcheese | 8 seconds after grub |
| 07:50.39 | blast_hardcheese | (well, 8 seconds after the kernel and initrd are loaded) |
| 07:51.07 | blast_hardcheese | sep: bridge_ports none did the trick, thanks a bunch |
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| 07:53.05 | sep | no problem |
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| 08:05.22 | slie | is there a way to automake the xml file for all the pictures in my folder fo a new auto change background? |
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| 08:09.09 | erAbuelo | buenos dias |
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| 08:17.52 | jho | Hi there. I was wondering if it's possible to have multiple IP addresses with different netmask, gateway etc. options on a single NIC. I tried to add the virtual entries to /etc/network/interfaces but service network restart doesn't bring *any* interfaces up after that. |
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| 08:19.30 | jho | I don't really know what's the problem there, I can't see the errors as I don't have physical access to the machine, I'm only able to reboot it into a recovery mode, basically a live Ubuntu session. If I remove the virtual interface entries from /etc/network/interfaces and then reboot, all works fine again |
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| 08:20.14 | simonrvn | that should be a clue then ;) |
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| 08:21.16 | sep | jho, if you want different physical networks on one nic, use vlan |
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| 08:22.09 | sep | jho, different subnets on the same nic is not sane imho. also if you want 2 default gateways you should use multiple routingtables or things will fail interestingly |
| 08:22.10 | sep | !split-access |
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| 08:22.20 | sep | !split access |
| 08:22.20 | dpkg | well, split access is when you have two networks connected to the same computer, with their separate default gateways, the first step in loadbalancing, http://yellowpigs.net/computers/multiple_subnets, or http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
| 08:22.44 | jho | sep: Thanks, I |
| 08:22.50 | jho | I'll have a look* |
| 08:22.51 | simonrvn | first one 404s |
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| 08:23.08 | simonrvn | checks |
| 08:23.09 | jho | worksforme |
| 08:23.15 | sep | simonrvn, works for me as well |
| 08:23.25 | simonrvn | but it isn't.. |
| 08:23.26 | sep | perhaps you got the , with you ? |
| 08:23.37 | simonrvn | must be the script i have... |
| 08:23.42 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 08:23.53 | simonrvn | the script snarfed the comma... doh |
| 08:24.08 | sep | perhaps one could tell the bot to add a space after the url... |
| 08:24.25 | simonrvn | people write those ;) |
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| 08:25.05 | simonrvn | !split access =~ s/multiple_subnets, or/multiple_subnets , or/ |
| 08:25.06 | dpkg | OK, simonrvn |
| 08:25.26 | simonrvn | !split access |
| 08:25.27 | dpkg | somebody said split access was when you have two networks connected to the same computer, with their separate default gateways, the first step in loadbalancing, http://yellowpigs.net/computers/multiple_subnets , or http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
| 08:25.35 | sep | nice |
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| 08:29.21 | sugoruyo | hi all, can someone point to a doc describing the way dpkg utilizes the info you get when you 'dpkg --print-avail <pkg>' |
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| 08:35.41 | jkno | I've changed a new debien/lenny box install from DHCP to Static IP which seems to have worked and holding however apache2 isn't listening any more is there something I'm missing? |
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| 08:42.28 | jho | jkno: check /var/log/apache2/error_log for errors, and see that you're not binding to a non-existing address in /etc/apache2/ports.conf |
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| 08:43.34 | jkno | jho: There is nothing in the error log and /etc/apache2/ports.conf are listening on 80 and 443 (no ip specified) |
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| 08:45.14 | jho | jkno: And service apache2 status says that it's running? |
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| 08:46.10 | jho | jkno: Do you have any sites listed in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ ? |
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| 08:47.33 | jkno | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:48.29 | jkno | jho: nothing is listed in sites-enabled |
| 08:48.42 | jkno | however it was working before I changed the IP from DHCP to Static |
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| 08:49.46 | jkno | wait sorry sites enabled has: 000-default -> ../sites-available/default |
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| 08:51.12 | jho | jkno: Does pgrep apache return anything? What happens if you try to start apache? |
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| 08:52.01 | jkno | jhn: pgrep apache does nothing just looks as if it runs successfully with no returned status |
| 08:52.29 | jkno | when I start apache it doesnt say anything either just makes a new ssh line to enter a new command |
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| 08:53.15 | jkno | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:53.35 | ethanol | looks fine |
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| 08:54.01 | ethanol | jkno: apache2ctl -S | pastebinit |
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| 08:55.16 | jkno | ethanol: http://pastebin.com/dhy3Y5rE |
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| 08:56.23 | ethanol | jkno: and apache2ctl status ? |
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| 09:01.31 | ethanol | I guess he figured something out.. |
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| 09:06.52 | jkno | ethanol: w3m: Can't load http://localhost:80/server-status. |
| 09:06.59 | jkno | sorry phone range |
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| 09:07.09 | samael | hello |
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| 09:09.32 | samael | I have a squeeze LAN gateway which I need to ask for a web authentication prior to serve _some_ web pages to local PCs. I was thinking about a captive portal. any hint? |
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| 09:12.19 | ethanol | You mean like for a public hotspot? |
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| 09:13.35 | samael | ethanol: some sort, yep. |
| 09:13.57 | ethanol | dunno, never worked with that kind of stuff |
| 09:14.26 | ethanol | http://www.mikrotik.com/testdocs/ros/2.9/ip/hotspot.php |
| 09:14.29 | ethanol | something like that? |
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| 09:14.43 | samael | other ideas are welcome, of course |
| 09:15.38 | samael | yep (I even have four routerboard APs in this network, but I need to do that job at gateway level) |
| 09:15.41 | jkno | I've tried as well: apache2ctl - configtest Syntax OK |
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| 09:29.42 | jkno | I've tried removing and re-installing apache2 but for some reason it still isn't working and returns apache2ctl status: w3m: Can't load http://localhost:80/server-status. |
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| 09:30.47 | jkno | netstat -nr |
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| 09:31.30 | Sm0ke0ut | Is the module is actually loaded? |
| 09:32.30 | jkno | module? Sorry my linux abilities are quite poor |
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| 09:32.39 | Sm0ke0ut | a2enmod status |
| 09:32.57 | jkno | a2enmod status Module status already enabled |
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| 09:33.46 | Sm0ke0ut | the IP address(es) who are allowed to visit the page are listed in: /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/status.conf ? |
| 09:35.21 | jkno | I'm guessing this is my problem http://pastebin.com/euPHgYpR |
| 09:35.57 | Sm0ke0ut | default is : Allow from 127.0.0.1 ::1 |
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| 09:37.49 | jkno | Sm0ke0ut: Sorry. Do I need to add in allow from Allow from 127.0.0.1 ::1? |
| 09:38.39 | jkno | I'm just baffled how simply changing a fresh install from DHCP to Static IP in the Debian network configurations can stop apache working when the IP is within the same range/subnet. |
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| 09:46.58 | nomicon | Any place i can download oldstable net-inst iso= |
| 09:47.00 | nomicon | ? |
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| 09:48.54 | Acony | I need to copy file from one server to another via ssh |
| 09:48.59 | Arrowmaster | the old netinst might not work anymore, but the squeeze netinst is supposed to now allow you to install older versions with it |
| 09:49.02 | Acony | no web access how to acomplish that ? |
| 09:49.09 | acathur | how can i gain root access while there's no sudo on system and the root login is disabled? |
| 09:49.09 | Arrowmaster | Acony: scp |
| 09:49.24 | Acony | Arrowmaster ok tnx will try |
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| 09:49.58 | EugenMayer | when creating users in .deb in preinstall, how to make them "not critical". e.g. in case they already exists |
| 09:50.09 | Ozzapoo | How can I find all files (recursively) with extension .tpl.php? |
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| 09:50.28 | EugenMayer | Ozzapoo: find . -name *.tpl.php -type f |
| 09:50.34 | EugenMayer | Ozzapoo: sounds like drupal :) |
| 09:50.50 | Ozzapoo | thanks |
| 09:50.54 | EugenMayer | yw |
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| 09:51.13 | Arrowmaster | EugenMayer: are you using adduser to create the user? afaik it should quietly do nothing if the user already exists |
| 09:51.33 | Ticho_ | EugenMayer: in bash, that's \*.tpl.php, or "*.tpl.php" |
| 09:51.51 | EugenMayer | Ticho_: *. |
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| 09:52.12 | EugenMayer | Arrowmaster: interesting. now even read -s fails "illegal option -s" |
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| 09:53.23 | Ticho_ | EugenMayer: that will break if you have a file matching that wildcard in your current working directory |
| 09:53.35 | EugenMayer | Arrowmaster: well but it did :) interestingly iam having even other issues while having installed that packaged under all my lennys without issues |
| 09:53.59 | EugenMayer | Arrowmaster: trying on my desktop ( 10.10 ubuntu ) right now and worked on my laptop 10.10 also |
| 09:54.23 | EugenMayer | Arrowmaster: i removed the user i tried it again and it worked ( beside that -s issue ) |
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| 09:54.48 | Arrowmaster | well read is a shell builtin, and in dash it doesnt seem to have a -s option |
| 09:54.49 | EugenMayer | Ticho_: IDTS :) |
| 09:55.20 | EugenMayer | Arrowmaster: odd. The option is used to not display what is pressed, e.g. when you ask for a password |
| 09:55.44 | EugenMayer | preinstall |
| 09:55.44 | EugenMayer | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.44 | EugenMayer | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.01 | EugenMayer | and it works under bash |
| 09:56.05 | prince_jammys | dash's read only understands -p and -r |
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| 09:56.30 | Arrowmaster | if you need to ask questions like that you should probably use debconf |
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| 09:57.01 | EugenMayer | Arrowmaster: yeah i searched for that but i did not find any infos about that. I guess debconf will then work with dpk-reconfigure and things |
| 09:57.05 | prince_jammys | you may use stty to achieve that effect. |
| 09:57.06 | EugenMayer | Arrowmaster: do you have any link for me? |
| 09:57.32 | EugenMayer | prince_jammys: iam confused. "dash" ~ bash? |
| 09:57.41 | EugenMayer | or is a different shell used during dpkg -i ? |
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| 09:57.53 | Arrowmaster | dash is what is used as /bin/sh |
| 09:57.59 | Ticho_ | EugenMayer: try it :> |
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| 09:58.03 | Arrowmaster | which is what is used by all system scripts |
| 09:58.05 | prince_jammys | dash is debian's sytem shell /bin/sh. bash is the default user shell, and more featureful |
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| 09:58.20 | prince_jammys | *system |
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| 09:58.30 | EugenMayer | ah i see |
| 09:58.38 | fbs | what is the correctway to load Xmodmap on boot? |
| 09:58.49 | EugenMayer | Arrowmaster: prince_jammys: thank you |
| 09:58.51 | prince_jammys | dash doesn't include much beyond what is defined by POSIX |
| 09:59.02 | EugenMayer | debconf? |
| 09:59.06 | EugenMayer | !debconf |
| 09:59.06 | dpkg | [debconf] Debian's configuration management system for packages, giving a single interface for asking and storing configuration-related settings for packages. http://wiki.debian.org/debconf http://www.fifi.org/doc/debconf-doc/tutorial.html . Not to be confused with the yearly Debian Conference (DebConf): http://wiki.debian.org/DebConf https://www.debconf.org/ |
| 09:59.34 | Ticho_ | EugenMayer: "find . -name *foo" will find file subdir/myfoo, unless file yourfoo exists in your cwd - in which case, bash expands *foo to "yourfoo", and find will look for files named "yourfoo" only |
| 09:59.51 | EugenMayer | Ticho_: i see |
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| 10:00.17 | prince_jammys | i.e. quote the glob so bash leaves it alone. |
| 10:00.21 | EugenMayer | Ticho_: but iam not sure find binds * differently there |
| 10:00.30 | acathur | fbs: ~/.xinit or ~/.xsession files, iirc. |
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| 10:01.01 | jkno | I still haven't managed to get any further with this apache issue. All I did was change the network configuration from DHCP (apache working) to Static IP (Apache not working) Network config: http://pastebin.com/pYbLaSL4 |
| 10:01.02 | Ticho_ | EugenMayer: bash doesn't care what find thinks or does :> |
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| 10:01.24 | EugenMayer | Ticho_: yeah. Bash is the worsed thing ever happened. |
| 10:01.43 | s3itz | fbs: Use whatever session manager that is relevant to your X session to start it. Otherwise, I think ~/.xsessionrc is appropriate. |
| 10:01.49 | prince_jammys | EugenMayer: stty -echo; read -p 'Pass> '; stty echo |
| 10:01.50 | acathur | fbs: it probably depends on how the X starts |
| 10:02.06 | fbs | acathur; s3itz; will try, thanks! |
| 10:02.11 | EugenMayer | prince_jammys: interesting. Well i will try to go the debconf way i guess, as its the "debian" way |
| 10:02.24 | alexhq | Installing squeeze on qcow2 img (squeeze as host and guest). Size of qcow disk - 20G, and 212 kb physical size. Partman can only see 212kb size. Any idea? using firmware unofficial cd. Also I dodn't find any virtio modules during install. |
| 10:02.29 | Ticho_ | EugenMayer: original posix shell is the same in this regard - that's why all shell coders have "always quote your stuff!" mantra carved into back of their mindd |
| 10:02.29 | EugenMayer | prince_jammys: but good to have yours as bacjkup |
| 10:03.06 | EugenMayer | Ticho_: :) Yeah mine was more general. iam using zsh and actually i cant stay 5 seconds with bash in the console before iam near to explode |
| 10:03.14 | Ticho_ | :> |
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| 10:03.27 | Ticho_ | i'm a bash and ksh man myself |
| 10:03.39 | prince_jammys | zsh doesn't expand globs by default? |
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| 10:04.12 | nomicon | Arrowmaster: what do u mean? |
| 10:04.14 | jelly | prince_jammys: what do you mean by expand globs? When you Tab on it? |
| 10:04.50 | prince_jammys | replace the glob with matching paths |
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| 10:05.12 | prince_jammys | i mean, answer has to be "yes" :) |
| 10:05.22 | jelly | of course |
| 10:08.05 | nomicon | I need to have debian 5 installed, but the netinst doesnt work anymore. What to do? |
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| 10:08.52 | casts | how does the netinst not work anymore? |
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| 10:08.56 | casts | oh...nevermind :) |
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| 10:10.11 | alexhq | Anyone successfully installed squeeze on qcow2 kvm images? |
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| 10:17.15 | nomicon | I need to have debian 5 installed, but the netinst doesnt work anymore. What to do? |
| 10:17.34 | nomicon | in Console#4 it prompts for a yes/no question about linux-image... |
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| 10:25.23 | s3itz | slie: Google for a file called dirlist.py; uses amara toolkit |
| 10:25.30 | s3itz | and python obviously |
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| 10:25.49 | s3itz | Adjust the source to meet your demands (if your folder in question has more than pictures, for instance) |
| 10:26.09 | ov3rmind | morning |
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| 10:36.16 | slie | anyone know why the .bashrc file in my home dir is not affecting my terminal |
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| 10:37.14 | ov3rmind | look if it is called by .profile |
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| 10:39.19 | slie | ov3rmind, yeah that just points to my .bashrc |
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| 10:41.19 | ov3rmind | in this case i need think more, about others causes for your problem. |
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| 10:43.51 | slie | im just trying to add aloas v='ls -ls' --color=auto' |
| 10:45.08 | Ticho_ | slie: default .bashrc calls ~/.bash_aliases, which is meant for just this |
| 10:45.39 | slie | Ticho_, okay do i need to put it under a if statement? |
| 10:45.48 | Ticho_ | no, just alias foo="bar" |
| 10:45.59 | slie | Ticho_, thank yo |
| 10:46.02 | Ticho_ | but perhaps you have a different problem, since aliases should also word directly in .bashrc |
| 10:46.28 | Ticho_ | try putting "echo here i am!" at the end of your .bashrc to see if it does anything when you log in |
| 10:46.50 | slie | okay |
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| 10:48.28 | jkno | I've been doing some digging and no matter what ports I bind apache2 to it doesn't listen on any of them. Is there anything that would break this simply from changing the network interface from DHCP to Static (internet/network access is working) |
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| 10:49.41 | _Dave123_ | I have just bought a new dedicated linux server, for now until later (when it might be a webserver) I just want a graphical desktop environment and install a product like vnc4server |
| 10:50.06 | _Dave123_ | Does anyone have suggestions on what packages are always wise to install on a to the internet connected dedicated server? |
| 10:50.22 | s3itz | sshd :) |
| 10:50.28 | _Dave123_ | Maybe writing some code, using some IM on it, is just what I will do |
| 10:50.31 | _Dave123_ | yea its done |
| 10:50.33 | _Dave123_ | any more? |
| 10:50.37 | Ticho_ | jkno: only if the change to static also changed the ip address, and if you try to bind your apache to a certain ip address - which i doubt :> |
| 10:50.41 | slie | Ticho_, says impropper end of file and my .bashrc_aliases doesn't work either |
| 10:50.42 | jho | irssi and screen obviously :) |
| 10:51.02 | Ticho_ | slie: .bash_aliases |
| 10:51.04 | _Dave123_ | yea also done |
| 10:51.06 | _Dave123_ | any more? |
| 10:51.20 | Ticho_ | _Dave123_: iptables? |
| 10:51.36 | jkno | Ticho_: Apache is a default installation all I changed was Debians Nameserver and network interface |
| 10:51.45 | _Dave123_ | Ticho_: dont think i need it |
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| 10:52.45 | jkno | Ticho_: Clean Debian/Lenny installation fully patched, apt-get install apache2, php5, mysql etc... apache works -> change ip from DHCP to Static -> Apache breaks |
| 10:53.10 | jkno | http://pastebin.com/pYbLaSL4 |
| 10:53.13 | slie | Ticho_, yes that one doesn't work either, i don't have to reboot do i? i logged in on a different tty still didn't work |
| 10:53.21 | Ticho_ | _Dave123_: have fun with your first synflood then :> |
| 10:53.26 | _Dave123_ | What should I install if I like to have a graphical environment on a plain debian netsinst? |
| 10:53.29 | _Dave123_ | Ticho_: how u mean?> |
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| 10:54.26 | Ticho_ | _Dave123_: good iptables scripts do much more than just port blocking |
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| 10:54.50 | _Dave123_ | Ticho_: ok , so I should install iptables and then? |
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| 10:56.02 | Ticho_ | _Dave123_: i tend to use shorewall |
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| 10:58.22 | slie | Ticho_, echo tells me that alias are not found and couple other thing |
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| 11:00.15 | Ticho_ | slie: but the echo command you put in the .bashrc gets executed, right? |
| 11:00.33 | slie | Ticho_, Yes |
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| 11:01.57 | Ticho_ | slie: near end of the file, there should be mention of .bash_aliases file being used |
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| 11:04.05 | zophy | i use windows 8 beta 440982 |
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| 11:05.30 | ov3rmind | the correct question is if hes is POSIX compatible? |
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| 11:12.55 | slie | got the bash rc file fixed .bashrc bash_aliases was commented out. thanks |
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| 11:31.44 | arvind_khadri | Hi, should I create users with adduser or useradd?? |
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| 11:33.35 | EduardeCalibal | Hum... Good question. Here I use the "adduser" but I don't know the diff between this two. |
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| 11:34.07 | babilen | arvind_khadri: Read the manpages, adduser is the "high-level script" and should in typicalla be used. |
| 11:34.24 | babilen | s/typicalla/typically |
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| 11:36.01 | EduardeCalibal | Good. :D |
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| 11:37.24 | babilen | EduardeCalibal: adduser: " They are friendlier front ends to the low level tools like useradd, groupadd and usermod programs, by default choosing Debian policy conformant UID and GID values, creating a home directory with skeletal configuration, running a custom script, and other features." â desirable behaviour IMHO |
| 11:37.47 | _Dave123_ | which packages should I install if I like to use gnome DE? |
| 11:37.48 | _Dave123_ | only gnome-core? |
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| 11:38.56 | KjetilK | OMG, watching this video using iceweasel seems to consistently crash the radeon drivers on my box: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVimVzgtD6w |
| 11:39.13 | babilen | _Dave123_: Depends. There are a variety of metapackages that install gnome. I would install "gnome-session" for the bare essentials and build from there. An overview of the metapackages can be found in http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/12/msg00450.html |
| 11:39.38 | _Dave123_ | bthanks |
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| 11:40.08 | KjetilK | sometimes it leads to a kernel oops, it seems, which gives me nothing in terms of logs |
| 11:40.36 | KjetilK | but last time it happened, it seemed to just crash X, so I have some logs now |
| 11:40.38 | babilen | _Dave123_: You are welcome |
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| 11:41.31 | _Dave123_ | babilen: is there a possiblity to see what size a debian (meta)package is? |
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| 11:43.36 | KjetilK | seems there are some similar issues on Ubuntu-forums, anyone know if this is a known bug? |
| 11:43.43 | babilen | _Dave123_: Just run "aptitude install PKG" and it will tell you the size. There might be a table somewhere that gives all those values, but you'll have to search for that yourself. As I said: *I* would start with "gnome-session" and add additional packages as needed. Your needs might be different though. |
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| 11:45.28 | _Dave123_ | babilen: ok I will do that and see from there on |
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| 11:47.25 | babilen | _Dave123_: I recommend that, because even the next larger metapackage (i.e. gnome-core) pulls in a bunch of packages you might not want (such as evolution) |
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| 11:49.56 | _Dave123_ | babilen: it installs quite a lot (gnome-session) like openoffice.org |
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| 11:50.23 | _Dave123_ | babilen: what do you recommend as tool to remotely access the desktop? Just vnc4server and then init gnome-session? |
| 11:50.28 | _Dave123_ | that would be the fastest right |
| 11:50.29 | Arafangion | I'm looking at various ITX motherboards (I want a small, convenient computer system that can still play DVD's, yet is "fast"), however I notice that a lot of them only support a maximum of 4GB. |
| 11:50.47 | babilen | _Dave123_: Uh, hang on. |
| 11:51.04 | Arafangion | Would that bbe the general characteristic of the ITX market? I was hoping for at least 8GB. |
| 11:51.15 | babilen | ,depends gnome-session |
| 11:51.17 | judd | Package gnome-session -- depends: gnome-settings-daemon (>= 2.26), gnome-panel (>= 2.26), metacity | mutter | sawfish, nautilus (>= 2.26), policykit-1-gnome, gnome-session-bin (>= 2.30.2-3), gnome-session-bin (<< 2.31), gnome-session-common (= 2.30.2-3). |
| 11:52.03 | babilen | _Dave123_: gnome-session shouldn't pull in openoffice -- could you run "aptitude keep-all" and "aptitude install gnome-session" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 11:52.47 | scrp3l | what is pancho |
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| 11:54.37 | babilen | Arafangion: /me recommends ##hardware |
| 11:54.46 | Arafangion | Thanks for that. :) |
| 11:54.57 | babilen | np |
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| 11:56.05 | babilen | _Dave123_: And don't install the packages yet. You could also add "-s" in order to simulate the aptitude run ... |
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| 11:56.41 | babilen | scrp3l: A typo of "poncho" ? |
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| 11:57.57 | _Dave123_ | babilen: but i already installed gnome-session yet |
| 11:58.23 | babilen | _Dave123_: Ah, could you paste the output of that? gnome-session shouldn't really pull in openoffice |
| 11:59.04 | _Dave123_ | babilen: oh nvm |
| 11:59.10 | _Dave123_ | babilen: but it installed some openoffice dic |
| 11:59.38 | babilen | Ok, if you are happy I am happy :) |
| 11:59.45 | _Dave123_ | I am ;) |
| 11:59.51 | babilen | \o/ |
| 11:59.54 | _Dave123_ | babilen: vnc4server - is this the remote server you would install? |
| 12:00.00 | _Dave123_ | or aret here better ones |
| 12:00.53 | babilen | No, it does not seem to be updated upstream. |
| 12:00.59 | babilen | !dbugs #512703 |
| 12:01.00 | _Dave123_ | hmm |
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| 12:01.08 | _Dave123_ | ok you know any better ones?? |
| 12:01.20 | babilen | !tell _Dave123_ -about tightvnc |
| 12:01.26 | babilen | !tell _Dave123_ -about x11vnc |
| 12:01.28 | babilen | !tell _Dave123_ -about vnc |
| 12:01.36 | babilen | _Dave123_: That should get you started :) |
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| 12:02.40 | _Dave123_ | thanks! |
| 12:02.59 | babilen | I used tightvnc the last time and was not disappointed. Haven't surveyed the VNC landscape in quite a while though, so there might be better alternatives. |
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| 12:05.01 | ethanol | not on windows |
| 12:05.08 | ethanol | tightvnc is only free quality product |
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| 12:05.27 | nsadmin | will invalidate() call requestLayout()? |
| 12:05.56 | babilen | Ok, MS Windows support was not an issue for me, so good to know that tightvnc is a sensible choice for that use case as well. |
| 12:06.05 | _Dave123_ | babilen: all seems to work like i want, thanks for help |
| 12:06.16 | babilen | _Dave123_: Wonderful :) |
| 12:06.29 | nsadmin | n/m... wrong channel |
| 12:06.35 | babilen | nsadmin: I suspected that :) |
| 12:06.40 | _Dave123_ | Only a recommendable ftp server i need, which would be best, pureftpd or proftpd |
| 12:07.14 | ethanol | _Dave123_: sshd |
| 12:07.21 | babilen | !tell _Dave123_ -about ftpd |
| 12:07.25 | babilen | !tell _Dave123_ -about ftp must die |
| 12:07.39 | babilen | _Dave123_: And I agree with ethanol :) |
| 12:07.46 | arvind_khadri | babilen, thanks :) |
| 12:07.53 | _Dave123_ | I agree aswell |
| 12:07.59 | babilen | arvind_khadri: You are most welcome. May you have a nice day! |
| 12:08.01 | _Dave123_ | but it's not much in my hands this |
| 12:08.11 | babilen | how come? |
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| 12:08.36 | _Dave123_ | someone that will use the server needs to transfer some data of servers to it, and i dont see how you can do this with ssh / scp ? |
| 12:08.52 | _Dave123_ | if you dont have access of ssh/scp to that server |
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| 12:09.08 | ethanol | sshd provides sftp |
| 12:09.21 | ethanol | then create a user? |
| 12:09.23 | _Dave123_ | but theres no sshd access to that server |
| 12:09.28 | Zao | Note that SFTP and FTPS are quite different technologies. |
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| 12:09.29 | _Dave123_ | ethanol: the server only runs ftp |
| 12:09.34 | _Dave123_ | i know |
| 12:09.45 | ethanol | _Dave123_: then fix your server. server without sshd cannot be called a server imho. |
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| 12:09.59 | Zao | rshs to ethanol's machines |
| 12:10.06 | nsadmin | _Dave123_ you mean ftpd? why? ftpd is considered insecure in the extreme |
| 12:10.12 | arvind_khadri | The bash I am running is complaining of /dev/fd/60 Not found on Lenny when I do tab for auto-completion. What am I missing? |
| 12:10.28 | ethanol | arvind_khadri: /dev/fd/60 |
| 12:10.51 | arvind_khadri | ethanol, so I just touch it? |
| 12:10.53 | ethanol | likes stating the obvious |
| 12:11.01 | _Dave123_ | nsadmin: if you use auth-ssl to authenticate, and have 1 login |
| 12:11.05 | _Dave123_ | nsadmin: how is it insecure? |
| 12:11.53 | ethanol | _Dave123_: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie |
| 12:12.01 | amoe | Anyone know an image viewer with windowed slideshow mode? Can't be geeqie |
| 12:12.10 | ethanol | _Dave123_: that pretty much sums it up |
| 12:12.15 | _Dave123_ | babilen: i use gnome now, but for example, I don't see terminal (apart from root terminal) in accessoires |
| 12:12.17 | jelly | arvind_khadri: did you upgrade bash after starting that shell? |
| 12:12.22 | _Dave123_ | babilen: how can i get it there? |
| 12:12.24 | nsadmin | amoe: find one. packages.debian.org |
| 12:12.25 | _Dave123_ | ethanol: ok will read now |
| 12:12.48 | amoe | nsadmin: That feature won't be listed in the package description. |
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| 12:13.09 | AthomIk_ | hello |
| 12:13.11 | nsadmin | it won't? what would you do then? |
| 12:13.37 | AthomIk_ | again me search for overclocking nvidia GT 400, nvclock is for old nvidia.... |
| 12:14.36 | arvind_khadri | jelly, yes I did. I seem to be on Lenny 5.0.7 |
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| 12:15.34 | jelly | arvind_khadri: exec a new shell instead of the current one, then, see if it still happens |
| 12:16.21 | arvind_khadri | jelly, ok. I am upgrading now. Will let you know in 5 mins :) |
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| 12:19.36 | alu | can mount -o loop on DVD iso be used/integrated in aptitude/synaptics source paths (to avoid DVD changes with DVD reader...) ? |
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| 12:24.40 | _Dave123_ | Does anyone know how I can get terminal as normal desktop shortcut on gnome? |
| 12:24.41 | _Dave123_ | i only see terminal (as root) now |
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| 12:31.50 | arvind_khadri | jelly, I started a new instance of bash, and its still the same. |
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| 12:33.43 | eptalon | hello there. |
| 12:33.49 | _Dave123_ | I am running gnome-session, but some how the keyboard layout is not good |
| 12:33.56 | _Dave123_ | how can I set it to the usual american keyboard? |
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| 12:34.27 | eptalon | Does Debian provide a PDF reader that conforms to the ISO standard of 2008? |
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| 12:35.37 | arvind_khadri | jelly, the problem was due to missing udev. Thanks :) |
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| 12:37.18 | ethanol | eptalon: whats wrong with just using a pdf reader that works? |
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| 12:39.06 | eptalon | ethanol: I do have an argument about a PDF document (that does not display correctly), and they suggest I use the newest version of Adobe Reader. Problem with that is that the Linux version of Adobe Reader, for 64Bit is buggy as hell, if it runs at all. |
| 12:39.20 | jelly | eptalon: which ISO standard would that be? |
| 12:39.38 | jelly | did not know PDF was a standarized format |
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| 12:40.12 | eptalon | jelly: ISO 32000:1-2008 |
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| 12:41.02 | kike_ | I have a problem with portmap and rpcbind daemons in debian squeeze, could be bad uninstall the daemons ?, not exactly how they work |
| 12:41.07 | eptalon | jelly: PDF 1.7, basically |
| 12:41.55 | ethanol | eptalon: lal. |
| 12:41.59 | kike_ | the best ISO standard of Debian is the CD1 Installer |
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| 12:43.05 | ethanol | eptalon: well, on ubuntu desktop here. not sure what my 'viewer' uses to render pdf files. |
| 12:43.09 | eptalon | ethanol: I use okular (in sid) so far, but it has problems |
| 12:43.13 | ethanol | but it works fine, no bugs. |
| 12:43.49 | ethanol | document viewer (poppler/cairo) |
| 12:43.51 | eptalon | ethanol: I do have a PDF here with forms, that when printed rotates the cells 90° |
| 12:44.05 | ethanol | http://projects.gnome.org/evince/ |
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| 12:44.35 | eptalon | ethanol: that'll install a full gnome? |
| 12:44.49 | ethanol | eh? |
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| 12:46.06 | jelly | eptalon: are you using the adobe tarballs for acroread, or the d-m repackages? |
| 12:46.14 | jelly | ,versions acroread |
| 12:46.20 | judd | Package acroread on i386 -- lenny-multimedia/non-free: 9.4.1-0.1; sid-multimedia/non-free: 9.4.2-0.0; squeeze-multimedia/non-free: 9.4.2-0.0; wheezy-multimedia/non-free: 9.4.2-0.0 |
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| 12:47.25 | eptalon | jelly: I try to not use acroread at all, do we have a stable version for 64bit? |
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| 12:47.46 | jkno | Can anyone see anything in this why Apache2 wouldn't be Listening or responding to localhost or remote http requests: http://pastebin.com/pYbLaSL4 |
| 12:47.53 | kmm165 | I have a problem with portmap and rpcbind daemons in debian squeeze, could be bad uninstall the daemons ?, not exactly how they work |
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| 12:48.24 | Zaca12 | hi there, I've had mrtg setup on my ppp connection for some time now but recently i have changed internet connections (routers) so now mrtg does not work anymore. could someone please point me in the right direction as to how i could rectify this? Thanks :) |
| 12:48.44 | ethanol | kmm165: I have a problem. hi. |
| 12:48.47 | jelly | eptalon: there's a package and dependencies. Whether it's 32 or 64bit, I don't really care as long as it works |
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| 12:48.53 | jelly | ,versions acroread --arch amd64 |
| 12:48.54 | judd | Package acroread on amd64 -- lenny-multimedia/non-free: 9.4.1-0.1; sid-multimedia/non-free: 9.4.2-0.0; squeeze-multimedia/non-free: 9.4.2-0.0; wheezy-multimedia/non-free: 9.4.2-0.0 |
| 12:49.10 | eptalon | jelly: Does it work? |
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| 12:49.24 | eptalon | as in no stability isues? |
| 12:49.39 | ethanol | Zaca12: does not work is not a description of a problem. |
| 12:50.19 | Sm0ke0ut | jkno because your apache isn't started/listening |
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| 12:50.40 | Zaca12 | ethanol: sorry, i mean the mrtg graphs don't display updates of the connection anymore, they're just dead |
| 12:51.24 | jkno | Sm0ke0ut: Would apache stop listening because of a change from DHCP to Static though? (no ip specific bindings within the apache config) |
| 12:51.25 | ethanol | Zaca12: change the settings? |
| 12:51.42 | ethanol | jkno: it stops listening when it is not running. ps aux | grep apache |
| 12:51.43 | Zaca12 | I've tried that |
| 12:51.55 | kmm165 | when I turn off debian, if I have not turned off before the portmap daemon, I get stuck at shutdown |
| 12:52.06 | Zaca12 | the only setting I can see is within the /etc/mrtg.cfg file: #Target[leased]: 1:GJCOPR1@196.26.21.153 |
| 12:52.07 | Zaca12 | Target[leased]: 1:GJCOPR1@196.26.21.156 |
| 12:52.09 | jkno | ethanol: root 26082 0.0 0.3 3120 716 pts/3 S+ 12:54 0:00 grep apache |
| 12:52.14 | Zaca12 | the uncommented is the old |
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| 12:52.18 | ethanol | jkno: see, it is not running. |
| 12:52.23 | ethanol | jkno: start apache. |
| 12:52.28 | Zaca12 | is that where you set up the ip which it should use to graph? |
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| 12:52.41 | ethanol | Zaca12: do not know. try #mrtg ? |
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| 12:53.01 | Zaca12 | empty channel :( |
| 12:53.11 | ethanol | then read their documentation |
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| 12:53.42 | ethanol | jkno: apache2ctl start |
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| 12:54.27 | jkno | ethanol: Tried /etc/init.d/apache2 start and apache2ctl start but still get root 26130 0.0 0.3 3120 716 pts/3 S+ 12:56 0:00 grep apache |
| 12:54.42 | jelly | ethanol: it's the same Adobe thing, just nicely packaged. |
| 12:54.49 | Sm0ke0ut | what error(s) are you getting back jkno |
| 12:54.57 | ethanol | jkno: then it is not starting. check syslog |
| 12:55.03 | jelly | epta... oh well |
| 12:55.51 | jkno | ethanol: Mar 9 08:12:13 nzime-dev dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 192.168.0.1 port 67 |
| 12:55.58 | Sm0ke0ut | related to apache |
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| 12:56.13 | Sm0ke0ut | apache has nothing to do with dhcp |
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| 12:57.01 | jkno | is there a page down in VIM? |
| 12:57.13 | Sm0ke0ut | yeah.. the page down button |
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| 12:57.30 | Sm0ke0ut | *you're kidding, right? :x* |
| 12:57.59 | jkno | nope I was trying it and thinking I was being stupid but its not doing its job |
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| 12:59.00 | jelly | jkno: which debian release, which TERM setting, which temrinal emulator? |
| 12:59.02 | babilen | _Dave123_: Figured out the terminal thingie? |
| 12:59.24 | _Dave123_ | babilen: not yet |
| 12:59.34 | ethanol | jkno: or use this pretty image http://img22.mtime.cn/up/2010/11/09/154322.42796125_o.jpg |
| 12:59.40 | _Dave123_ | babilen: i also dont understand how come gnome-session-manager is not started |
| 12:59.47 | ethanol | click the url it shows if it wont display the image directly |
| 13:00.03 | _Dave123_ | babilen: i need to change my keyboard layout to US International which I did but it still doesnt work |
| 13:00.18 | babilen | _Dave123_: You want to make sure that "gnome-terminal" is installed. Can you start it with ALT-F2 â gnome-terminal ? |
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| 13:00.27 | kmm165 | FUCK YOU |
| 13:00.34 | _Dave123_ | babilen: i dont have the correct keyboard layout yet |
| 13:00.41 | kmm165 | GO TO THE SHIT EVERYBODY |
| 13:00.51 | babilen | _Dave123_: AFAIK gnome-settings-daemon should be started automatically |
| 13:00.58 | ethanol | !ops kmm165 meanie |
| 13:00.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: ethanol complains about: kmm165 meanie |
| 13:01.02 | _Dave123_ | babilen: i think so aswell, how can i check |
| 13:01.21 | _Dave123_ | babilen: there are some gnome-session-errors though |
| 13:01.38 | babilen | _Dave123_: If it is started? "pgrep gnome-settings-daemon" should return a PID, for example. Or run "ps aux|grep gnome-settings" or something like that |
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| 13:01.49 | babilen | _Dave123_: Could you paste them? |
| 13:02.07 | _Dave123_ | babilen: non PID |
| 13:02.24 | jkno | ethanol: there doesn't seem to be any apache related logs in /var/log/syslog which is strange |
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| 13:02.37 | babilen | _Dave123_: Hmm .... I am not using Gnome so this is all from the top of my head. |
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| 13:03.26 | babilen | _Dave123_: Is "gnome-settings-daemon" installed? |
| 13:03.32 | Sm0ke0ut | jkno /var/log/apache2/error.log? |
| 13:04.12 | jkno | sm0ke0ut: only: /usr/sbin/apache2: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/pdo_mysql.so: undefined symbol: php_pdo_get_dbh_ce |
| 13:04.26 | Sm0ke0ut | that's why it doesn't startup |
| 13:04.28 | _Dave123_ | babilen: yes |
| 13:04.32 | _Dave123_ | babilen: ii gnome-settings-daemon 2.22.2.1-2 GNOME settings daemon |
| 13:04.54 | ethanol | jkno: you could also try apache2 -e 9 -E /tmp/fux.log or something |
| 13:05.13 | ethanol | I tried to lookup loglevel on apache.org but seems their own apache instances are dead or being overloaded |
| 13:05.21 | ethanol | irony |
| 13:05.49 | babilen | _Dave123_: Ah, you are (still) using lenny. Does it work if you start gnome-settings-daemon manually? (ALT-F2 â gnome-settings-daemon) |
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| 13:06.06 | ethanol | _Dave123_: upgrade |
| 13:06.15 | babilen | !tell _Dave123_ -about release notes |
| 13:06.25 | babilen | _Dave123_: And yes, you want to upgrade to Squeeze |
| 13:06.57 | babilen | _Dave123_: The process is detailed in the release notes. Read (at least!) the "What's new in Squeeze" part and chapter 4. |
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| 13:07.07 | _Dave123_ | babilen: ALT-F2 dont work due incorrect keyboard |
| 13:07.30 | _Dave123_ | babilen: i have got squeeze on the server i think |
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| 13:07.32 | _Dave123_ | how can i check ? |
| 13:07.35 | babilen | _Dave123_: Bummer :) -- Can you find a terminal somewhere? |
| 13:07.48 | _Dave123_ | babilen: yes am in it now |
| 13:07.52 | ethanol | jkno: oh it is -e info |
| 13:07.55 | ethanol | or debug |
| 13:08.02 | jkno | ethanol: apache2 -e 9 -E /tmp/fux.log returns the options list for apache2 - Sorry about my stupiditity with this |
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| 13:08.44 | babilen | _Dave123_: "cat /etc/debian_version", "apt-cache policy" + "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" should give us enough information to conclude which version of Debian you are using. Note that you have the lenny version of gnome-settings-daemon installed and I concluded from that that you are using Lenny. |
| 13:09.02 | ethanol | jkno: replace 9 with debug |
| 13:09.04 | babilen | _Dave123_: Ok, run "gnome-settings-daemon" in the terminal :) |
| 13:09.26 | _Dave123_ | babilen: 5.0.8. - oh great! the hosting dedicated server company installed lenny |
| 13:09.39 | _Dave123_ | babilen: its easy to remotely upgrade to squeeze? |
| 13:09.52 | babilen | _Dave123_: Marvellous :) -- Why do you want to install gnome on a headless server? (Just curious) |
| 13:10.12 | babilen | _Dave123_: Sure, the process in the release notes applies to remote systems as well. |
| 13:10.15 | _Dave123_ | babilen: several things like vbox i rather approach graphically |
| 13:10.26 | babilen | _Dave123_: OK, fair enough :) |
| 13:10.28 | ethanol | jkno: that probably wont work though cause debian uses stupid default config files with variables so using the binary directly results in errors as it does not parse them, only when called using apache2ctl :\ |
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| 13:11.18 | _Dave123_ | babilen: what you recommend me to do now? |
| 13:11.24 | jkno | ethanol: I never thought it would be this hard to install debian/lenny with apache, mysql and ssl server with a static IP |
| 13:12.05 | jkno | ethanol: Lured my into a false sense of security throughout the installation right up until I changed the IP address |
| 13:12.08 | babilen | _Dave123_: I would upgrade to squeeze first. Or ask the hosting company to give you a squeeze image if you haven't configured much. |
| 13:12.36 | ethanol | jkno: ssl is usually fixed on an ip. so changing the ip is not wise no. |
| 13:12.46 | _Dave123_ | babilen: some already |
| 13:12.48 | ethanol | jkno: it's not hard though, unless _you_ screwed up something in a bad way. |
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| 13:13.06 | jkno | ethanol: sorry typo SSH. |
| 13:13.07 | Sm0ke0ut | in fact, with the default/basic installation it should work already |
| 13:13.08 | ethanol | jkno: also, lenny is old. switch to squeeze. |
| 13:13.11 | babilen | _Dave123_: Note that Lenny does still get security support, but you'll have to upgrade in the next months anyway and I don't see a reason for not doing it now. |
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| 13:13.46 | _Dave123_ | ok |
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| 13:14.19 | jkno | ethanol: I saw squeeze was released recently it's just that some of the production servers are on lenny I was aiming to mirror that environment so I could learn/test then do it on production |
| 13:14.36 | ethanol | jkno: production should move to squeeze to. |
| 13:14.37 | babilen | _Dave123_: It essentially boils down to: Is it faster to upgrade or to reconfigure. The upgrade process is well supported and documented, but the answer to that question really depends on the amount of configuration you performed on the system. |
| 13:14.40 | ethanol | s/to/too/ |
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| 13:15.22 | jkno | ethanol: It should. Just not with me doing the job get one of the linux engineers on it. I'd break something |
| 13:15.29 | tweek_ | question: on a netbook with an intel atom n455, which is capable of 64 bit, do i install i386 or amd64? |
| 13:15.33 | tweek_ | because: |
| 13:15.41 | tweek_ | dpkg amd64 |
| 13:15.41 | dpkg | amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 Debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>. |
| 13:15.49 | ethanol | tweek_: amd64 |
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| 13:16.13 | tweek_ | why does dpkg say i shouldn't if i don't have a specific reason? |
| 13:16.17 | ethanol | tweek_: amd64 |
| 13:16.33 | tweek_ | because i was thinking amd64 anyway |
| 13:16.34 | _Dave123_ | W: Failed to fetch http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile/dists/squeeze/volatile/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 128.31.0.51 80] |
| 13:16.37 | _Dave123_ | W: Failed to fetch http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile/dists/squeeze/volatile/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found [IP: 128.31.0.51 80] |
| 13:16.40 | _Dave123_ | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 13:16.50 | babilen | _Dave123_: http://paste.debian.net |
| 13:16.52 | ethanol | _Dave123_: dont spam. volatile does not exist for squeeze. |
| 13:17.03 | _Dave123_ | so i should just comment aall those lines out |
| 13:17.17 | _Dave123_ | \? |
| 13:17.20 | ethanol | depends on what ''all'' refers to, but most likely the answer is yes |
| 13:17.25 | _Dave123_ | the 2 last lines of the /etc/sources.list |
| 13:17.25 | _Dave123_ | ok |
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| 13:17.57 | _Dave123_ | ok works now |
| 13:17.59 | Trifle | I can't see messages like "åèã®è½âã¡ããããâª|â£â¨| | " ANYWHERE or with any font... they show up as blocks |
| 13:18.07 | dutchfish | _Dave123_, there is no such thing anymore as squeeze volatile; use squeeze-updates |
| 13:18.07 | ethanol | works fine for me |
| 13:18.14 | babilen | _Dave123_: Please *read* and *follow* the release notes. There is no volatile for squeeze and it is of *uttermost* importance to follow the upgrade instructions. A simple "replace lenny with squeeze" + "apt-get dist-upgrade" will *not* work. |
| 13:18.32 | ethanol | babilen: no? it did for me :p |
| 13:18.45 | _Dave123_ | it does for me aswell |
| 13:18.48 | babilen | ethanol: Even the udev+kernel thingie? |
| 13:18.48 | _Dave123_ | get no errors |
| 13:19.04 | ethanol | babilen: well I already had a backported kernel |
| 13:19.11 | babilen | *sigh* ok -- keep the broken pieces if you decide not to follow the upgrade instructions. |
| 13:19.24 | _Dave123_ | which broken pieces |
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| 13:19.51 | babilen | ethanol: Installing a backported kernel could essetially be considered part of the upgrade process. |
| 13:20.16 | babilen | _Dave123_: Which kernel are you using? (uname -r) |
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| 13:20.33 | mah454 | what do sync in dd comand ? |
| 13:20.37 | babilen | _Dave123_: Why don't you follow the process in the release notes? |
| 13:20.58 | _Dave123_ | babilen: i did that the bot pmed me |
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| 13:21.11 | _Dave123_ | dpkg |
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| 13:22.16 | babilen | _Dave123_: I asked dpkg to tell you about the release notes, nothing else :-\ |
| 13:22.19 | project2501a | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:22.38 | _Dave123_ | babilen: lenny->squeeze |
| 13:22.40 | _Dave123_ | gives info |
| 13:23.23 | ethanol | babilen: backports was already at .32 quite a while before squeeze was released. |
| 13:23.34 | babilen | _Dave123_: Yes, it does. And it is basically the upgrade process in the nutshell. *I* still recommend to follow the release notes, read the "What's new" chapter and follow the steps in chapter 4 |
| 13:23.40 | ethanol | when will squeeze backports start btw? |
| 13:24.06 | project2501a | as soon as they are ready? ;) |
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| 13:24.20 | project2501a | it will be done when it will be done *snicker* :D |
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| 13:24.25 | babilen | ethanol: Yes, I know. Hence "Installing a kernel from backports could be regarded as a step in the upgrade process" |
| 13:24.30 | ethanol | project2501a: you want an image that shows packages being upgraded? talk about retarded :| |
| 13:25.11 | babilen | ethanol: It has already started. See http://backports.debian.org/ â "squeeze-backports and lenny-backports-sloppy started" |
| 13:25.45 | project2501a | ethanol: yes, for a sysadmin, that is retarted. for my lusers, which keep pestering me and disrespecting my authority, by asking pesking questions about what i am doing, and why am i taking that host down, it would be invaluable. it would make them shut the fuck up. and that, my friend is worth gold. |
| 13:26.25 | ethanol | just copy & paste the result of a simulated upgrade? |
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| 13:26.29 | ethanol | mail that |
| 13:26.42 | ethanol | say; "if this does not make sense to you, then leave it to me and stfu" |
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| 13:28.05 | project2501a | ethanol: have you worked with computational biologists or bioinformaticians, mate? |
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| 13:28.29 | project2501a | trust me, they are a /b/tarded gang. |
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| 13:29.06 | babilen | project2501a: That is offensive, generalising and offtopic. |
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| 13:30.26 | project2501a | babilen: welcome to bioinformatics :P |
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| 13:31.56 | ethanol | man, apt preferences file is still a mystery to me. these pinning nummers dont makes sense or just seem illogical |
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| 13:33.53 | jelly | it's exposing something that probably shouldn't have ever been given to a user in that form |
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| 13:34.59 | ethanol | http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html is this true? I thought there was more meaning to the value of the pinning itself. like, something about > 500 and < 500 |
| 13:35.01 | jelly | the syntax is arcane, no sanity checking to speak of, "*" as a keyword... |
| 13:35.10 | jelly | !pinning |
| 13:35.10 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 13:35.49 | jelly | ethanol: that italian's page has some interesting notes about pinning. |
| 13:36.07 | ethanol | italian? he is using a dutch host |
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| 13:36.16 | jelly | Carlo! |
| 13:36.24 | ethanol | err wait no |
| 13:36.28 | ethanol | wrong url I was looking at |
| 13:36.32 | jelly | though, "Carlo Wood" :-) |
| 13:37.35 | babilen | I don't quite understand the need for pinning for the use case detailed on that page. You can just set the default release and be happy. The outcome is essentially the same and less work or hassle. |
| 13:38.30 | jelly | "default release" was only exposed since... etch or lenny or so |
| 13:38.46 | ethanol | oh wait |
| 13:38.50 | ethanol | I was using a=squeeze |
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| 13:39.01 | ethanol | but squeeze is not valid for a it seems, should have been 'stable; |
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| 13:39.15 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 13:39.33 | Bartzy | How should I do a data migration from one disk to another ? Or one storage system to another ? |
| 13:39.35 | ethanol | erf. what is a and what is n? |
| 13:39.54 | tarzeau | Bartzy: using dd? |
| 13:40.00 | tarzeau | Bartzy: or it's just data? rsync -av |
| 13:40.00 | ethanol | because http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences at one moment uses n=testing, and then later they use a=testing |
| 13:40.01 | ethanol | :< |
| 13:40.08 | Bartzy | The current disk is being used all the time.. I must stop the service for some time (after doing the initial copying with rsync) and then rsync the leftovers ? |
| 13:40.27 | tarzeau | Bartzy: indeed that's a good idea |
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| 13:41.54 | jelly | ethanol: which part of "The documentation of pinning is a bit incomplete and unclear." did you not understand <g> |
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| 13:42.23 | flo` | hi |
| 13:43.00 | flo` | on system boot, i get loads of warning messages which vanish quite fast, because new messages are generated. the messages come from udevd, something about the rules |
| 13:43.08 | flo` | where can i find the logs of these messages? |
| 13:43.21 | ethanol | jelly: :p |
| 13:43.40 | flo` | i searched in /var/log; the only file which contains similar lines is daemon.log, however daemon.log contains only entries three days ago |
| 13:43.44 | ethanol | jelly: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html section 3.10 really confuses me. |
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| 13:43.58 | ethanol | the whole number stuff |
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| 13:47.34 | jelly | I won't even try to read that at this point, basically I just consult the manual and that errata page if I really have to |
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| 13:47.44 | metalfingers | on Squeeze, i have my stereo connected via bluetooth, but i'm not able to get any sound to work. Any ideas? |
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| 13:48.14 | metalfingers | I haven't installed any additional libraries. |
| 13:48.40 | _Dave123_ | babilen: ok read what should be done |
| 13:48.43 | _Dave123_ | babilen: version 6.0 now |
| 13:49.00 | metalfingers | man, brb. |
| 13:49.29 | _Dave123_ | babilen: still get the same gnome-sessions-daemon error though |
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| 13:55.47 | babilen | _Dave123_: Could you check that gnome-settings-daemon is activated in the startup applications thingie in gnome-control-center? Also: (try this first actually) Does it work if you start gnome-settings-daemon manually from the command line in gnome? |
| 13:56.00 | babilen | _Dave123_: You also said something about errors you get, could you paste them? |
| 13:56.37 | slidesinger | Just added a new array of diskspace onto my RAID controller (hardware raid), looking to find the device name: dmesg | grep -i dev | grep -vi usb however, all I get are the swap partition and two entries for device-mapper (lvm partitions) What should I be searching for? |
| 13:57.22 | slidesinger | Or maybe where should I be searching might be a better question? |
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| 13:58.59 | greenlantern | hello |
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| 13:59.32 | greenlantern | what will be the command to delete everything from debian except the console debian |
| 13:59.37 | zafy | anyone ever installed debian on a macbook 2,1 ? I currently have an old ubuntu installed and want to swtich to debian lenny, I was just wondering if I was going to have to reinstall grub and refit |
| 13:59.58 | greenlantern | what's the command to remove desktop environment completely with graphical softwares ? |
| 13:59.58 | justin_ | slidesinger: the lines you are looking for do not necessarily contain 'dev' |
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| 14:00.41 | metalfingers | Hey folks, on Squeeze, how would i go about getting my sound to work via Bluetooth? I have my stereo connected already, just not sure how to get the sound to work. |
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| 14:01.07 | metalfingers | (stereo is already connected via bluetooth) |
| 14:01.24 | justin_ | greenlantern: try removing libx11-6 |
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| 14:01.58 | justin_ | metalfingers: bluez-alsa ? |
| 14:02.03 | justin_ | metalfingers: pulseaudio-module-bluetooth? |
| 14:02.12 | slidesinger | justin_: Thanks, I got about that far. Trying to figure out what they will contain. But then that's the challenge, isn't it? |
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| 14:02.23 | babilen | _Dave123_: ping |
| 14:02.31 | justin_ | slidesinger: no, not really. try just reading the entire dmesg output |
| 14:02.47 | metalfingers | thank you, justin. i don't have pulseaudio-module-bluetooth installed and will do that. |
| 14:02.48 | _Dave123_ | babilen: sec |
| 14:02.54 | justin_ | slidesinger: there's also fdisk -l |
| 14:02.56 | metalfingers | will report back when/how i got it to work. |
| 14:02.59 | slidesinger | That's the next bit. |
| 14:03.04 | babilen | _Dave123_: ok |
| 14:03.08 | _Dave123_ | babilen: ** (gnome-settings-daemon:18895): WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 14:03.18 | slidesinger | justin_: A better tool. Thanks for the suggestion. |
| 14:03.22 | babilen | _Dave123_: Start it from within gnome |
| 14:03.29 | _Dave123_ | i cant type |
| 14:03.33 | babilen | _Dave123_: As your user, not root |
| 14:03.42 | _Dave123_ | i cant type in gnome |
| 14:03.44 | _Dave123_ | due the keyboard issue |
| 14:03.59 | babilen | _Dave123_: You can't type *at all* ? |
| 14:04.10 | _Dave123_ | i can but it will take a bit to find the keys |
| 14:04.11 | _Dave123_ | hold on |
| 14:04.15 | flo` | hi |
| 14:04.18 | ethanol | "The final conclusion has to be that not only the official documentation of apt, in regard to pinning, sucksâ but the whole design and algorithm that determines the candidate version is borked. It is counter-intuitive, ambiguous and not as flexible as it could be." lol couldn't agree more |
| 14:04.18 | babilen | _Dave123_: Copy and paste it then |
| 14:04.39 | Bartzy | How should I do a data migration from one disk to another ? Or one storage system to another ? |
| 14:04.41 | babilen | ethanol: Where is that quote from? |
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| 14:04.55 | flo` | i've upgraded from lenny to squeeze, and now i'm getting loads of udev warnings, saying that SYMLINK{unique}, TAG is unknwon to him and that SYSFS is obsolete |
| 14:04.59 | babilen | Bartzy: rsync and unison come to mind |
| 14:05.04 | ethanol | http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata |
| 14:05.12 | flo` | i did the upgrade as the handbook told me |
| 14:05.20 | ethanol | babilen: from the factoid |
| 14:05.41 | Bartzy | The current disk is being used all the time.. I must stop the service for some time (after doing the initial copying with rsync) and then rsync the leftovers ? |
| 14:05.44 | _Dave123_ | babilen: same problem, server doesnt understand paste |
| 14:05.46 | babilen | flo`: You probably have a bunch of removed, but not purged packages that still ship old udev rules. Please run "aptitude search ~p" and paste the output |
| 14:05.53 | _Dave123_ | babilen: it will take maybe 10 mins |
| 14:05.55 | _Dave123_ | ill try |
| 14:05.57 | babilen | ethanol: ah, thanks :) |
| 14:05.59 | flo` | babilen, i do not have such a bunch, i checked that |
| 14:06.27 | babilen | _Dave123_: I would try the gnome-control-center â startup applications â is gnome-settings-daemon enabled test first in that case :) |
| 14:06.33 | flo` | babilen, error: unknown priority |
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| 14:06.45 | _Dave123_ | babilen: where? |
| 14:06.49 | babilen | flo`: argh, sorry. Mean "aptitude search ~c" :) |
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| 14:07.00 | babilen | _Dave123_: System â Startup Applications maybe? |
| 14:07.09 | flo` | in case you mean ~c instead of ~p: there are libportaudio, linux-image-2.6.26-2-686, musescore, virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.26-2 |
| 14:07.11 | babilen | _Dave123_: Or Preferences or whatever :) |
| 14:07.14 | _Dave123_ | babilen: in the start menu? |
| 14:07.17 | flo` | maybe linux-image is the guilty? |
| 14:07.18 | _Dave123_ | babilen: i dont see it there |
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| 14:07.48 | babilen | _Dave123_: No, not in the start menu but in the menu on the right of the start menu. Something like "System" or "Preferences" or so |
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| 14:08.01 | _Dave123_ | babilen: System -> Preferences has nothing gnome |
| 14:08.17 | babilen | flo`: You might want to purge those. And investigate each remaining package in detail afterwards. |
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| 14:08.44 | babilen | _Dave123_: run "gnome-control-center" on the terminal and click on "startup applications" |
| 14:08.55 | flo` | babilen, musescore does not create any udev stuff for sure, and libportaudio... well, i'll purge it ;) |
| 14:09.05 | _Dave123_ | babilen: ok itll take a while to type it |
| 14:09.25 | _Dave123_ | i think ill better just purge gnome-session and install gnome-core |
| 14:10.08 | babilen | flo`: I just mentioned the "purge remove-but-not-purged packages" because that is a typical reason for those messages. If you still get them, one has to investigate them in more detail. |
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| 14:10.45 | babilen | _Dave123_: That will just pull in more packages and given that you have gnome-settings-daemon installed already it will not change that *at all* |
| 14:10.48 | flo` | babilen, i still get them. at least i do so, because the config files with the TAG= in them are still there... |
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| 14:11.08 | babilen | _Dave123_: You just want to find "Startup Applications" or "Session" settings or something like this. |
| 14:11.12 | flo` | my main problem is that udev claims not to know the TAG "command" |
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| 14:11.19 | flo` | did that vanish in some udev version? |
| 14:11.42 | babilen | flo`: Yes, that seems to be deprecated. You might want to check which package shipped those rules. (apt-file comes in handy here) |
| 14:12.04 | babilen | _Dave123_: Hang on, I'll start a gnome-panel and walk you through it. |
| 14:13.05 | babilen | _Dave123_: It is: System â Preferences â Startup Applications in the panel |
| 14:14.53 | flo` | babilen, it turned out that there's only one file left which produces warnings. apt-file search doesn't find the appropriate package... |
| 14:14.58 | flo` | the file is /lib/udev/rules.d/70-acl.rules |
| 14:15.27 | babilen | ,file /lib/udev/rules.d/70-acl.rules |
| 14:15.31 | judd | /lib/udev/rules.d/70-acl.rules in squeeze/i386: udev: lib/udev/rules.d/70-acl.rules |
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| 14:16.17 | flo` | hm, that's strange then |
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| 14:16.32 | flo` | i mean, how can the file shipped with udev be incompatible with udev? |
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| 14:17.10 | babilen | flo`: It is shipped by udev -- Could you compare it to the one shipped in the most recent version for Squeeze? (download the udev package, dpkg -x the_just_downloaded.deb /where/to/extract/better/a/temp/location, and diff /lib/udev/rules.d/70-acl.rules /where/to/extract/better/a/temp/location/lib/udev/rules.d/70-acl.rules |
| 14:17.15 | babilen | ) |
| 14:17.49 | babilen | flo`: Might have been locally modified and not overwritten ... No idea. Which version of udev do you have installed? Is the file indeed identical to the shipped version? |
| 14:17.58 | mah454 | I have problem with USB flash memory in gnome ... |
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| 14:18.15 | mah454 | gnome can not mount usb memory ! |
| 14:18.16 | flo` | locally modified: not by me. maybe by a script? |
| 14:18.41 | babilen | *shrug* |
| 14:18.56 | babilen | !tell flo` -about confmiss |
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| 14:19.21 | babilen | flo`: You might want to replace that file with the shipped version, or reinstall with the confmiss option ... or something like that. |
| 14:20.05 | flo` | babilen, no differences |
| 14:20.26 | babilen | ah ok, has that bug been reported? |
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| 14:20.58 | guiritter | can't logout as root please someone help |
| 14:21.37 | ethanol | exit ? |
| 14:22.00 | babilen | flo`: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=582349 |
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| 14:22.49 | flo` | babilen, i've just read it ;) |
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| 14:23.07 | babilen | flo`: Should be fixed in the version in squeeze. Which version do you have installed? (dpkg -l udev + apt-cache policy udev) |
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| 14:24.19 | guiritter_ | damn this irc client |
| 14:24.31 | flo` | version 164-3 |
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| 14:24.51 | guiritter_ | when I click System at the upper panel and click "end root session" it does nothing |
| 14:25.13 | babilen | flo`: Hmm, something's rotten in the state of Denmark then :) |
| 14:25.24 | flo` | ;) |
| 14:25.39 | flo` | btw, the udev-manpage also tells me that TAG is a valid command... |
| 14:25.59 | flo` | and my udevd binary is the same as the one in the package i downloaded |
| 14:26.49 | babilen | flo`: I can't help but think that you are somehow still using an old version of udev then ... |
| 14:27.04 | flo` | babilen, well, i do not think so. |
| 14:27.13 | babilen | flo`: You've rebooted and all? (You should if you see those messages during the boot though) |
| 14:27.21 | flo` | because i have compared the binaries in the package i downloaded with the ones installed. they're the same |
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| 14:27.51 | flo` | babilen, ehm, then there's a second question. how can i log these messages at bootup? |
| 14:27.55 | babilen | flo`: Hmm, I wonder what is causing this behaviour then. |
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| 14:28.01 | babilen | !tell flo` -about bootlogd |
| 14:28.07 | flo` | sometimes they're logged into daemon.log. but sometimes they aren't :/ |
| 14:28.11 | babilen | flo`: Just enable logging during boot |
| 14:28.33 | guiritter | found a best client, now it won't close; btw, can't end root session by the System menu |
| 14:28.40 | babilen | flo`: Note that a bunch of other bug reports complain about 70-acl.conf as well. You might want to check them too. |
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| 14:29.09 | flo` | babilen, i'll now reboot, with bootlog enabled. cu in 2 minutes |
| 14:29.26 | babilen | flo`: But they have all been closed/fixed. AFAICT |
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| 14:32.48 | flo` | babilen, wow, this is magic xD |
| 14:32.56 | babilen | hum? |
| 14:33.07 | flo` | the messages have vanished. at least the TAG-related ones |
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| 14:33.35 | babilen | flo`: So it was essentially a version mismatch (caused by whatever) ... wonderful :) |
| 14:33.41 | flo` | then there were lots of "SYSFS is deprecated" ones, which could be replaced by a sed (i some wacom rule) |
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| 14:34.04 | flo` | and then there was one file, shipped by udev, which has SYMLINK{unique} in it. udev complained about this |
| 14:34.08 | flo` | changing it to SYMLINK helped |
| 14:34.20 | flo` | so, i have a complete udev-warning-free system now ;) thank you |
| 14:34.33 | babilen | No problem, I just helped you to help yourself :) |
| 14:34.51 | babilen | (if at all) |
| 14:35.09 | babilen | May you have a nice udev-warning-free-day! |
| 14:35.30 | flo` | yeah, thanks :) |
| 14:36.06 | guiritter | someone knows why can't I logout as root? |
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| 14:37.20 | gnugr | guiritter: logout from where? |
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| 14:38.15 | guiritter | from the desktop |
| 14:38.30 | guiritter | I click System at the upper panel and choose the last option |
| 14:38.58 | guiritter | "end root session", not sure what it says in english for it's in portuguese |
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| 14:40.01 | flo` | guiritter, you're logged in in the desktop as root oO? |
| 14:40.09 | guiritter | yes |
| 14:40.12 | guiritter | don't know how |
| 14:40.13 | flo` | you have a gnome or whatever running with root privilegies? |
| 14:40.21 | guiritter | must be that |
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| 14:41.16 | flo` | guiritter, when you start a shell within your desktop, and then type "touch /foo" && echo ok" (without the "" ), what happens? |
| 14:41.26 | gnugr | guiritter: in terminal type: cd ~ then in same directory type: chown -R username:username * |
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| 14:41.48 | gnugr | with sudo |
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| 14:44.01 | newwer | How do I install .deb files in debian, when I click on them it opens them in archive manager |
| 14:44.02 | guiritter | tried that chown and nothing happened; didn't quite understand your suggestion flo` |
| 14:44.22 | guiritter | right click and select open with gdebi |
| 14:44.30 | flo` | guiritter, if it says "permission denied", you're not logged in as root |
| 14:44.35 | flo` | if it says ok, you are |
| 14:44.46 | flo` | if you are, this is very very bad |
| 14:44.55 | guiritter | seems I am |
| 14:45.01 | flo` | does it say "ok"? |
| 14:45.05 | guiritter | yes |
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| 14:45.10 | guiritter | whait |
| 14:45.17 | guiritter | is shell the same as terminal |
| 14:45.18 | guiritter | ? |
| 14:45.25 | guiritter | wait* |
| 14:45.45 | flo` | well, in normal language usage it is. |
| 14:45.51 | guiritter | ok |
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| 14:46.17 | guiritter | hold up, there's something strange he |
| 14:46.55 | guiritter | there's a terminal launcher at the desktop that launches as normal user, and there's a launcher at the upper panel that launches as root |
| 14:47.08 | gnugr | guiritter: did you change username with your name? |
| 14:47.12 | guiritter | yes |
| 14:47.19 | flo` | you launch as normal user, then do the touch thingy |
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| 14:47.40 | guiritter | permission denied |
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| 14:48.52 | gnugr | guitter: type on your terminal: shutdown -h now to see what happened |
| 14:49.22 | guiritter | oh I forgot that |
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| 14:49.25 | guiritter | i'll come back |
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| 14:55.56 | sylar | how long should it take to upgrade? |
| 14:56.27 | sylar | (lenny->squeeze) |
| 14:56.42 | guiritter | I know why my problem happened, I opened gnome-panel as root, because I was missing my panels; now I'm missing the upper panel only |
| 14:56.53 | arumaniac | depends how faster is your machine and how faster is your connection |
| 14:58.34 | sylar | arumaniac, I am upgrading from a USB which has the 1st installation DVD |
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| 14:59.35 | sylar | arumaniac, any projection? |
| 15:00.24 | Bushmills | and depends also on the packages installed under lenny |
| 15:00.55 | sylar | I think its a very basic install |
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| 15:01.02 | Bushmills | upgrade of 120 debootstrapped packages will be faster than a fat 3000 packages system |
| 15:01.11 | arumaniac | sylar, the same anser.. what is the difference of installing from USB in a P2 or in a DualCore? the CPU, not the USB.. |
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| 15:02.10 | sylar | lets ask a different question then |
| 15:02.16 | sylar | how long did it took u? |
| 15:02.23 | justin_ | sylar: what is your real question? |
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| 15:03.13 | Bushmills | sylar: of you get one answer, saying "5 minutes" and another, saying "3 hours" - what knowledge could you gain? |
| 15:03.16 | sylar | justin_, I guess I want to know the % of time left for compleation |
| 15:03.26 | arumaniac | sylar, who cares? I don't get what I want |
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| 15:04.09 | babilen | _Dave123_: Figured it out? |
| 15:04.16 | sylar | money can't buy me love |
| 15:04.18 | babilen | _Dave123_: (yes, i am nosy) |
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| 15:04.42 | arumaniac | sylar, sorry, but are you drunk ? |
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| 15:04.52 | wdfe | hi |
| 15:04.53 | justin_ | sylar: you can run dpkg -l| tail -n +6|cut -c 1-2|sort|uniq -c |
| 15:05.01 | justin_ | sylar: that will kind of show you how much is left to do |
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| 15:05.39 | sylar | lets see |
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| 15:12.10 | Bartzy | babilen: Sorry for the late reply - I know rsync. My problem is when to cut-over ? |
| 15:12.35 | Bartzy | I need to cut-over and then rsync again, but that 2nd rsync will take some time (I have lots and lots of files), and while I do it, no one can write to the old storage. |
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| 15:17.55 | macrobat | I'd like to backup /etc in a way so it can be used for cloning an install. I was thinking "tar cf etc.tar /etc". How should i handle symlinks? |
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| 15:19.48 | _Dave123_ | babilen: sorry back now |
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| 15:20.09 | _Dave123_ | babilen: i installed core btw, and im checking now |
| 15:20.15 | _Dave123_ | i barely see something that i can never use |
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| 15:20.19 | massmc | ozhiphop |
| 15:20.33 | snow_man | macrobat: -h follows symlinks iirc, check the manpage for tar to confirm |
| 15:20.35 | babilen | _Dave123_: If you need the stuff in core :-\ |
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| 15:21.41 | _Dave123_ | its not so much i think? |
| 15:21.49 | _Dave123_ | and 80% is ok to have installed i think |
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| 15:21.54 | macrobat | if i follow a symlink, i don't get the link, i only get the target, right? |
| 15:22.00 | _Dave123_ | babilen: but im in startup programs now |
| 15:22.06 | babilen | wonderful :) |
| 15:22.34 | _Dave123_ | babilen: what shoyuld i do? |
| 15:22.49 | babilen | _Dave123_: Make sure "gnome-settings-daemon" is ticked |
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| 15:24.59 | _Dave123_ | it is |
| 15:25.04 | _Dave123_ | there are 2 with that name though |
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| 15:27.01 | whomee | Hi there, not really just a debian specific question but.. if i want to download a specific page on the world wide web, lets say http://www.cnn.com and want to get all the stuff on THAT page that really is needed to render the page fully, shouldnt i just use: wget -p http://www.cnn.com ? |
| 15:27.56 | dvs | whomee: "Save Page As..." in Iceweasel does that. |
| 15:28.29 | JasonWoof | I'm interested in being able to validate html5 document locally. Anybody know: 1) is the validator.nu software free 2) is it being packaged for debian 3) is there other free software for html5 validation? |
| 15:29.07 | whomee | dvs: well the problem is we want to use only wget here, and we are using a non-graphical environment on that machine that needs to be doing it. |
| 15:29.23 | dvs | oh |
| 15:29.43 | babilen | _Dave123_: And it is still not running? Anything in .xsession-errors? Any errors when you start it manually? (as the user and from within gnome) |
| 15:30.04 | _Dave123_ | ill try |
| 15:30.25 | JasonWoof | whomee: have you tried it? |
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| 15:31.14 | whomee | JasonWoof: yes i did, it downloads the index.html file right, but only just 1 image from the frontpage (yes its only the stuff on the frontpage i want) but there are several more images there. |
| 15:31.18 | JasonWoof | whomee: in my experience with w3m recursive downloading, it sometimes works great, and sometimes misses files you need. E.G. it doesn't parse CSS files and download the @import-ed files |
| 15:31.28 | justin_ | whomee: wget will work fine unless the page is heavily dependant on javascript |
| 15:31.54 | JasonWoof | whomee: yeah, if the page loads content with javascript you're sol |
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| 15:32.34 | whomee | ok, so you know if curl can do the work better then? cause curl is also an option, im not well readup on curl so dont know if that can solve it. |
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| 15:32.43 | whomee | i mostly used wget before. |
| 15:33.06 | _Dave123_ | babilen: Xlib: extension RANDR missing on display ":1.0". |
| 15:33.20 | babilen | _Dave123_: unrelated |
| 15:33.34 | _Dave123_ | babilen: ** (gnome-settings-daemon:1719): WARNING **: Failed to acquire org.gnome.SettingsDaemon |
| 15:33.45 | babilen | _Dave123_: But why do you have two x server running? |
| 15:33.58 | _Dave123_ | babilen: ** (gnome-settings-daemon:1719): WARNING ** : Could not acquire name |
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| 15:34.07 | _Dave123_ | babilen: dont know? how can i check? if thats so its by accident |
| 15:34.11 | babilen | _Dave123_: http://paste.debian.net |
| 15:34.26 | _Dave123_ | babilen: (those are the 3 errors) when i start |
| 15:34.32 | babilen | _Dave123_: Ah, it is a remote system isn't it? |
| 15:34.36 | _Dave123_ | babilen: yes |
| 15:34.42 | babilen | _Dave123_: In .xsession-errors? |
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| 15:34.54 | _Dave123_ | babilen: in .xsession-errors is a lot lot more |
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| 15:35.18 | dpkg | runs at arvind_khadri use linux with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut, courtesy of arvind_khadri |
| 15:35.56 | arvind_khadri | Umm, I wanted to have the lart database of dpkg, where can I find it ? |
| 15:36.07 | babilen | _Dave123_: Please paste output of: "ps aux|grep gnome-settings-daemon" "cat ~/.xsession-errors" in one paste :) |
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| 15:36.23 | JasonWoof | whomee: I don't see commandline args for curl to download dependent files. How are you thinking of using curl? |
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| 15:37.15 | loser | hi, how can i execute a script of 00:05 am on 15th of march in crontab? |
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| 15:37.44 | cahoot | loser: sounds like a job for atd |
| 15:38.16 | wooden | loser: man 5 crontab |
| 15:38.27 | babilen | loser: "man at" |
| 15:38.33 | whomee | JasonWoof: dont know, thats why i asked :) if it was possible to use curl for that. |
| 15:39.10 | babilen | no need for a cron job if this should just be executed once. Or do you want to execute it *every* 15th of March loser ? |
| 15:40.00 | tharkun | arvind_khadri: there is a factoid of where the bot's database is located. |
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| 15:40.07 | JasonWoof | whomee: oh, I thought you said you were going to try using curl. Sorry. I misread. I think you can't do that with curl. |
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| 15:41.08 | arvind_khadri | tharkun, and what is that factoid :) ? |
| 15:41.35 | whomee | JasonWoof: ok crap :) well back to the drawingboard then! |
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| 15:41.46 | tharkun | arvind_khadri: if i recalled it i would have told the bot to tell it to you ;P |
| 15:42.00 | jkno | I've just finished installing squeeze on a dev server which went smoothly. However I'm at the point of setting a static IP again which the documentation reefers to /etc/networking/interface as legacy. Is there a new way of configuring the network options? |
| 15:42.20 | arvind_khadri | tharkun, its ok, I found a dump of everything |
| 15:42.23 | arvind_khadri | :) |
| 15:42.33 | dvs | jkno: legacy? I dont think so. |
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| 15:42.51 | tharkun | jkno: what doc says that ? |
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| 15:43.41 | jhutchins_lt | jkno: It's still a valid option, but there are other ways to manage networking now. |
| 15:44.11 | Sm0ke0ut | really? |
| 15:44.21 | Sm0ke0ut | any docs about the "new" way then? |
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| 15:45.02 | jkno | Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces ... (warning). |
| 15:45.03 | jhutchins_lt | Sm0ke0ut: network manager |
| 15:45.15 | dvs | yuck! |
| 15:45.19 | Sm0ke0ut | that's for if you've a gui? |
| 15:45.28 | jkno | thats what I thought |
| 15:45.34 | jhutchins_lt | jkno: Please share a link to the document refering to? |
| 15:45.43 | jkno | I chttp://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch05.en.html |
| 15:45.57 | jhutchins_lt | Sm0ke0ut: Doesn't require a GUI, but allows users to manage connections instead of just system/root managing them. |
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| 15:46.43 | jkno | I may be, being stupid Linux isn't my speciality (learning) |
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| 15:47.40 | jhutchins_lt | jkno: Note that section 5.3 explains that the old methods are still valid and may be more reliable. |
| 15:47.50 | _Dave123_ | babilen: hold on |
| 15:47.56 | jhutchins_lt | jkno: What kind of system are you working with? A fixed desktop or a portable laptop? |
| 15:48.01 | skratool | why is 'at' package dependent on exim4? wtf |
| 15:48.01 | tharkun | jkno: hmm i see that the ifupdown method is the one that is legacy. not that the /etc/network/interfaces is |
| 15:48.16 | babilen | holds tightly on to _Dave123_ so he can't get away |
| 15:48.30 | tharkun | !boy abuse |
| 15:48.30 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
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| 15:49.28 | jkno | didn't change any settings |
| 15:49.28 | Omega11 | hi |
| 15:49.34 | Omega11 | debain linux sux ballz |
| 15:49.48 | dvs | ha! |
| 15:49.58 | tharkun | jkno: well the command restart on networking is deprecated since etch i believe. you should restart manually |
| 15:50.09 | wad | Hi folks. I'm trying to grow my RAID5 (with 4 devices) to RAID6 (with 5 devices). I've added the 5th drive. This command "mdadm --grow /dev/md1 --level=6 --raid-devices=5 --backup-file=/root/b" results in this error: "mdadm: /dev/md1: Cannot reshape array without increasing size (yet)." Google has not been helpful at finding out what is wrong. Ideas? |
| 15:50.30 | Omega11 | wad try sudo rm -rf / |
| 15:50.31 | skratool | again: why is 'at' package dependent on exim4? wtf |
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| 15:50.35 | Omega11 | \that will help |
| 15:50.35 | jkno | tharkun: restart manually? |
| 15:50.41 | wad | whacks Omega11 with a large tuna |
| 15:51.19 | tharkun | jkno: ifconfig yourdevicehere down ; ifconfig yourdevicehere up && dchlient yourdevicehere |
| 15:51.20 | Omega11 | whacks wad with a large penis |
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| 15:51.36 | wad | Omega11, try this fun little command: :(){ :|: & };: |
| 15:52.02 | Sm0ke0ut | jhutchins_lt looks more that the network manager is an adition to the /etc/networking/interfaces file |
| 15:52.06 | _Dave123_ | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/110146 |
| 15:52.10 | Sm0ke0ut | it's not a replacement as I read |
| 15:52.12 | Omega11 | ur dumb wad |
| 15:52.33 | dvs | Sm0ke0ut: no. If you use network manager, you can't use the interfaces file |
| 15:52.51 | Omega11 | shit piss fuck cunt cocksucker motherfucker and tits |
| 15:53.07 | tharkun | Omega11: keep it cool no need for that |
| 15:53.34 | Omega11 | debian linux is a peace of shit |
| 15:53.36 | babilen | _Dave123_: That are a bunch of error one might want to work on. I have to go now, unfortunately, but will be back later. Good luck. |
| 15:53.53 | tharkun | !ops Omega11 Needs an invitation to the door |
| 15:53.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: tharkun complains about: Omega11 Needs an invitation to the door |
| 15:54.05 | _Dave123_ | thnx |
| 15:54.09 | dvs | tharkun: you're being too kind. |
| 15:54.15 | _Dave123_ | actually its strange that gnome gives such bulk errors out of the box |
| 15:54.19 | mentor | Omega11: Go away. |
| 15:54.30 | Omega11 | why don't u go away f00 |
| 15:54.33 | Omega11 | i 0wn |
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| 15:54.58 | wad | stupid troll |
| 15:55.00 | tharkun | mentor: thanks |
| 15:55.12 | mentor | np |
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| 15:55.32 | jkno | tharkun: where would you specify a persistent static IP if you're not using networking/interface? |
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| 15:55.57 | erkan^ | hello, i have a question: have http://code.google.com/p/pop-imap-troubleshooter/downloads/detail?name=pop-imap-troubleshooter-2.0.1.tar.gz --> .deb too ? |
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| 15:56.56 | tharkun | jkno: well i do use /etc/network/interfaces i also uninstall network-manager, since i believe it does not comforms to MY needs |
| 15:56.57 | sylar | I have a lot of "can't set locale" from mandb while installing linux-image, and udev , and a whole bunch of other stuff added by apt-get |
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| 15:58.54 | dvs | jkno: network manager records the info somewhere, just not in the interfaces file. |
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| 16:00.28 | jhutchins_lt | jkno: interfaces is exactly the right place to store a persistent static configuration, you have no need for network-manager and should probably remove it. |
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| 16:01.00 | tharkun | reMOVES jhutchins_lt |
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| 16:01.28 | jhutchins_lt | goes off in search of breakfast. |
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| 16:04.01 | roamming | Hello,everybody. It's my first time to use IRC. Nice to be here |
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| 16:04.17 | stockholm | hi roamming |
| 16:05.29 | jkno | jhutchins_lt: is removing network-manager just a matter of apt-get remove network-manager? (sorry im blind with this stuff) |
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| 16:07.28 | tharkun | !tell roamming about irc primer |
| 16:07.55 | roamming | where can I get it |
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| 16:08.39 | tharkun | It should have appeared on a new screen on your client |
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| 16:09.47 | Delf1 | What the hell happened to Squeeze? |
| 16:10.03 | Delf1 | No "Login Window" manager anymore? |
| 16:10.15 | Delf1 | How do I log on using root? |
| 16:10.18 | tharkun | jkno: i prefer the purge option |
| 16:10.25 | Delf1 | goes nuts |
| 16:10.34 | Delf1 | I'm being forced to type my password one million times. |
| 16:11.01 | Delf1 | Even thou the account type is set to "Administrator" |
| 16:11.50 | jkno | tharkun: Once i've purged networking-manager will I need to update a config file anywhere or will I just need to start networking/interfaces? |
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| 16:12.56 | jhutchins_lt | jkno: Yes, that will work. |
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| 16:14.09 | jhutchins_lt | Delf1: First, you should never log in to a GUI as root. |
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| 16:14.31 | wad | Hi folks. I'm trying to grow my RAID5 (with 4 devices) to RAID6 (with 5 devices). I've added the 5th drive. This command "mdadm --grow /dev/md1 --level=6 --raid-devices=5 --backup-file=/root/b" results in this error: "mdadm: /dev/md1: Cannot reshape array without increasing size (yet)." Google has not been helpful at finding out what is wrong. Ideas? |
| 16:14.42 | jhutchins_lt | Delf1: Second, if you want to accurately state a question, we'd be glad to help. If you just want to rant that this doesn't look like Ubuntu, don't. |
| 16:15.43 | tharkun | jkno: No, just check that your network/interfaces file has the currect stuff. You might have your network interfaces deconfigure but setting them up manually would fix it. Also rebooting will do that |
| 16:16.23 | jhutchins_lt | jkno: Depending on how you''ve configured things in interfaces and what changes you've made either it will already be working as expected, or you may need to use /etc/init.d/networking restart. |
| 16:16.34 | jhutchins_lt | jkno: In very rare cases you might need to reboot. |
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| 16:17.02 | jkno | jhutchins_lt: its just running as default at the moment DHCP. Do I need to remove anything from the file before I start specifying the IP, gateway etc...? |
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| 16:17.27 | jhutchins_lt | jkno: How did things get there in the first place? |
| 16:17.29 | Delf1 | jhutchins Ubuntu? I've never used ubuntu. Should I use it instead? |
| 16:17.41 | jhutchins_lt | jkno: There is a man page for the interfaces file. |
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| 16:18.23 | wad | Delf1, I use Ubuntu on my desktop machines, and debian on my servers (with no X) |
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| 16:18.31 | Delf1 | jhutchins: Ok, so don't login using root. How do I get rid of the 10k million questions? |
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| 16:18.55 | Delf1 | I'm running Debian on my server as well, wad. |
| 16:18.55 | cahoot | use sudo? |
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| 16:20.33 | wad | Though if I were to redo it now (apologies to this channel), I would probably put Ubuntu desktop edition (not server edition) on my servers as well. |
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| 16:20.44 | jhutchins_lt | Delf1: Since I don't know what you're trying to do except exaggerate the problem, I really can't tell you how to proceede. |
| 16:21.08 | cahoot | wad: don't apologise to us |
| 16:21.12 | wad | Not that I would ever use the X stuff, it's just that Ubuntu is such a common distro, that many issues have been flushed out and fixed. It's also got the very latest stuff in it. |
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| 16:21.25 | petemc | wad: your logic is flawed |
| 16:21.25 | jkno | jhutchins_lt: Is this the manual page you mean: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch05.en.html#_the_advanced_network_configuration_with_ifupdown_legacy |
| 16:21.32 | wad | petemc: explain? |
| 16:21.39 | jhutchins_lt | wad: Also has all the latest bugs. |
| 16:21.49 | cahoot | but shiny |
| 16:22.05 | petemc | wad: your reasonaing that ubuntu being most common making it more likely to have found and fixed flaws |
| 16:22.08 | babilen | _Dave123_: Ok, what is your status right now? I have a couple of comments on your paste, but it would be good to know where to start. |
| 16:22.13 | jhutchins_lt | The version numbers are bigger, it must be more manly. |
| 16:22.20 | jkno | Ubuntus enemy isn't Debian. Linux enemy is windows ;) |
| 16:22.20 | Delf1 | jhutchins_lt: I don't get paid for exaggerating anything. I'm just tired of being treated like a idiot not knowing what to do. To type my password over and over... come on.? |
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| 16:22.41 | jhutchins_lt | jkno: man interfaces or # interfaces in a browser (I think it's #). |
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| 16:23.14 | jhutchins_lt | Delf1: Like I said, I don't know what you're talking about. I enter my password once when I log in. |
| 16:24.23 | Delf1 | jhutchins_lt: It doesn't ask you when your trying to install something? |
| 16:24.46 | Delf1 | Then I'm the only one being treated like an idiot I guess.. |
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| 16:25.32 | tharkun | Delf1: You said that yourself. xD |
| 16:25.33 | jhutchins_lt | Delf1: No, I use su - to become root in a console and use that for management. Yes, I do have to enter the root password when I do that, but I don't have to do it often. |
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| 16:26.22 | jhutchins_lt | Delf1: The document jkno was referring to earlier might be useful to you: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ |
| 16:26.32 | Delf1 | jhutchins_lt: I'm no elite. I don't know how to get everything done through terminal. |
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| 16:27.12 | jhutchins_lt | Delf1: That isn't an "elite" thing, just some required knowledge in linux administration. |
| 16:27.15 | Delf1 | Who invented the Sudo command? Needs to send a terminator back in time to terminate him/Her. |
| 16:27.39 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: You no longer need to use - with su. The bug is fixed. |
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| 16:27.54 | jhutchins_lt | Delf1: Properly used it is an excellent system and even caches your password so you don't have to re-enter it if you use it frequently. |
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| 16:28.14 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: It's not a bug, and the "fix" is a hack to protect morons who can't learn. |
| 16:28.28 | Delf1 | jhutchins_lt: In Squeeze? In lenny it did cache it. |
| 16:28.32 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: It was in the bts. That makes it a bug. |
| 16:28.35 | jkno | jhutchins_lt: I can't find any reference to network-manager on the system (clean network/internet install of squeeze) I've configured /etc/networking/interfaces with the details off the manual (my addresses) and /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 16:28.46 | babilen | Delf1: One typically logs into a graphical session with a normal user account (i.e. *not* root) and acquires root privileges later on. You can do that with "su -" or by using "sudo". Both commands require you to type in a password. su expects the root password and sudo your user's. I don't quite understand your problem (and haven't read all the scrollback) so I would be happy if you could explain it once more. :) |
| 16:28.48 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: su is designed to work differently whether or not you use the dash. |
| 16:28.50 | _Dave123_ | babilen: i dont think errors are critical for anythig |
| 16:29.01 | jkno | jhutchins_l: However I don't want to start the networking interface without knowing what needs killing first |
| 16:29.13 | jhutchins_lt | Delf1: This is not a squeeze vs. lenny item or enven a Debian vs other linux question. |
| 16:29.25 | lumistempore | Hey guys. Got Squid running on a firewall machine. As a security measure, I'm blocking all outgoing connections from the LAN to the internet. Before I was doing this, I had iptables redirecting HTTP traffic to the proxy server. My question is: how can I cause iptables to allow Squid to make HTTP requests, but still 'block' direct HTTP access to other machines on the LAN? |
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| 16:29.41 | jY | I did a apt-get source bash I want to put in another bash patch to it.. anyone know a webpage to edit what apt-get installs to make a deb out of it? |
| 16:29.43 | Delf1 | babilen: I'm not happy with having to type in my password after I |
| 16:29.58 | jhutchins_lt | jkno: If network manager isn't running (ps ax), which it shouldn't be, you should just restart networking. |
| 16:30.04 | Delf1 | babilen: After I've logged in, already. |
| 16:30.46 | jhutchins_lt | Delf1: So read the docs for sudo and set it up to work the way you want. There's no need to ever enter your password if you don't want to. It's less secure that way, but there's no reason for most home users not to do it. |
| 16:31.10 | jkno | jhutchins_lt: Stupid question so just: /etc/init.d/networking restart or ifconfig? |
| 16:31.40 | lumistempore | I should clarify: I'm not blocking all connections; the default is to drop all outgoing connections, but then I'm whitelisting 'safe' ports like DNS/53 |
| 16:31.45 | jhutchins_lt | jkno: ifconfig can bring individual interfaces up or down or configure them, networking restarts the whole network system. |
| 16:32.08 | justin_ | lumistempore: why don't you run a caching dns proxy and just block everything? |
| 16:32.12 | mtedder | Apache2 (debian lenny) .jpg files return 500 errors: I tried (1) removing the .htaccess files; (2) ensuring images folder has three x's in it, and all files have rw r r permissions; (3) apt-get --purge remove && apt-get install apache2, to try an absolutely default apache2 config. |
| 16:32.14 | babilen | _Dave123_: A lot of those messages show a deeper problem with your system. I just want to start from where you are now. I would like to see: "dpkg -l '*xorg*' gnome-settings-daemon" + /var/log/Xorg.0.log + ~/.xsession-errors + output of "gnome-settings-daemon" executed in a terminal + "ls -l /etc/gnome/config/General.ad" more later |
| 16:32.28 | justin_ | mtedder: read the error log |
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| 16:32.54 | Delf1 | jhutchins_lt: I don't want that particular "security". Can you help me to get rid of it? |
| 16:33.16 | lumistempore | justin_: I've considered that; doesn't suit our needs. |
| 16:33.42 | jhutchins_lt | Delf1: Read the docs for sudo - that's what I would have to do for the specific details. I know the general concept, but I rely on man pages and docs for details. |
| 16:33.43 | justin_ | lumistempore: it will increase security and performance |
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| 16:34.24 | babilen | Delf1: If you logged in with your user (which you *really* should do, as it is not a good idea to log into a graphical session as root) you have to provide a password to become root. sudo can be configured to *not* ask for your users password, but I wouldn't configure that for system administration activities (like installing/removing software) -- You should not be too bothered by typing your password for sudo once in a while, it is normal and ... |
| 16:34.30 | babilen | ... not much of a hassle. The password is cached for some time, so you can keep on working with root privileges in a single session. |
| 16:34.46 | Delf1 | jhutchins_lt: Which one should I read? "4.6.1. sudo" or "1.1.12. sudo configuration". |
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| 16:34.55 | ronny | hi |
| 16:35.13 | purpur | Delf1: man sudo (search for nopasswd) |
| 16:35.14 | jkno | jhutchins_lt: I've restarted networking but it's still using the dhcp address Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces ... (warning). Reconfiguring network interfaces...done. |
| 16:35.21 | _Dave123_ | babilen: ok but its strange this system, is installed like 6 hours ago |
| 16:35.27 | _Dave123_ | so its all fresh install |
| 16:35.45 | geekbri | how would i go about creating a virtual disk for a KVM guest operating system from console? |
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| 16:36.02 | babilen | _Dave123_: I would like to see the output I asked for in order to determine what is wrong ... btw, how did you install the X server? |
| 16:36.07 | jhutchins_lt | jkno: Sounds like maybe dhclient is still running. |
| 16:36.23 | jhutchins_lt | jkno: Although it _should_ have reset the configuration when you restarted. |
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| 16:36.40 | jhutchins_lt | jkno: You might want to just reboot it - you've changed some of the base system config. |
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| 16:36.47 | _Dave123_ | babilen: dedicated hgosting company did a debian lenny netinst |
| 16:36.58 | jhutchins_lt | jkno: And yes, I know about the warning, it mainly applies to things managed by network manager. |
| 16:37.03 | _Dave123_ | babilen: i guess, they have 10000s of servers |
| 16:37.31 | Delf1 | Ok, so "# echo "Delf ALL=(ALL) ALL" >> /etc/sudoers" is suppose to do the trick?.. *runs off to try it off* |
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| 16:37.43 | babilen | Delf1: You typically want a line like: "Delf1 ALL=(ALL) ALL" (assuming Delf1 is your username) in your /etc/sudoers. Edit that file with "visudo" |
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| 16:38.03 | babilen | Delf1: No, you *have* to edit it with "visudo" but yes, the line is correct. |
| 16:38.04 | mtedder | justin_: didn't see/recognize anything happening as per the .jpg issue in the error log.. I can post a snippet.. |
| 16:38.19 | justin_ | mtedder: if you are getting a 500 error, there IS something in the error log |
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| 16:39.05 | jhutchins_lt | Delf1: Why not read both? |
| 16:39.10 | purpur | Delf1: but due to my understanding this will ask for password nevertheless. |
| 16:39.24 | jhutchins_lt | Delf1: You might also rummage around at http://tldp.org - the System Administrator's Guide is good. |
| 16:39.39 | jhutchins_lt | Delf1: There's also O'Reilly's "Runnng Linux", but it's a bit RedHat oriented. |
| 16:40.17 | jhutchins_lt | Delf1: Knowledge is power in linux. |
| 16:40.21 | babilen | _Dave123_: I know, we've been through this earlier. How did *you* install the X server? Or was it installed already? What does "aptitude -s install xorg" tell you in that case? Paste all that and the previous information to http://paste.debian.net -- thank you :) |
| 16:40.46 | _Dave123_ | babilen: apt-get install xorg |
| 16:41.27 | _Dave123_ | babilen: ill reboot now |
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| 16:42.27 | babilen | _Dave123_: What does "aptitude install xorg" give you? Could you (in addition to the information requested earlier) also paste "apt-cache policy" and "apt-show-versions|grep -ie '/lenny'" -- thank you. |
| 16:42.36 | babilen | _Dave123_: Huh? Why reboot? |
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| 16:43.18 | Delf1 | Ok, that was a complete waste of time. It's still asking me for password (AFTER I'VE LOGGED IN). |
| 16:43.43 | justin_ | Delf1: you did it wrong |
| 16:43.49 | Delf1 | justin_: I did? |
| 16:43.53 | justin_ | Delf1: yes |
| 16:44.00 | Delf1 | # echo "Delf ALL=(ALL) ALL" >> /etc/sudoers |
| 16:44.16 | _Dave123_ | babilen: how can i best copy/paste to a pastelog from commandline? |
| 16:44.31 | Delf1 | justin_: What part was wrong? |
| 16:44.34 | babilen | Delf1: You've been warned about that. If you *really* want sudo to grant you root privileges without asking for authentication see "NOPASSWD" in, for example, "man sudoers" -- I would *strongly* recommend not to do that, but meh ... |
| 16:44.43 | babilen | !tell _Dave123_ -about pastebinit |
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| 16:45.00 | _Dave123_ | babilen: greymalk1n |
| 16:45.02 | _Dave123_ | babilen: great |
| 16:45.12 | karlpinc | If I mount something that's not in fstab will the shutdown scripts unmount it before shutdown? |
| 16:45.16 | babilen | _Dave123_: You probably want to append all the output to a single file and paste it with "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net the_file_in_question" |
| 16:46.28 | babilen | _Dave123_: So we don't end up with a bazillion pastes, but all information in a single one. You can also pipe into pastebinit like this: "some_command | pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" It should tell you the URL of the paste which you can give us. |
| 16:46.55 | justin_ | Delf1: I think what you really mean to be doing is to disable the tty_tickets option |
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| 16:47.16 | Delf1 | Ok, I did "# echo "Delf ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL" >> /etc/sudoers" |
| 16:47.18 | babilen | _Dave123_: Also, why reboot? And did you reboot? Before creating those pastes? (*might* be a good idea, but *shrug*) |
| 16:47.25 | _Dave123_ | babilen: yes i did it |
| 16:47.32 | _Dave123_ | babilen: and the error disappeared |
| 16:47.35 | babilen | Delf1: NO, use "visudo" grmmlsblarg! |
| 16:47.38 | _Dave123_ | when starting keyboard setup |
| 16:47.46 | mtedder | justin_: absolutely no new lines in /var/log/apache2/error.log after several 500 Internal Server errors.. |
| 16:47.49 | Delf1 | babilen: I used nano to edit. In "root terminal" |
| 16:47.52 | babilen | _Dave123_: Ok, so what is the status now? |
| 16:48.00 | Delf1 | The changes are successfully made but no effect. |
| 16:48.03 | mtedder | justin_: would the errors be anywhere else? |
| 16:48.08 | babilen | Delf1: You have to use "visudo" it respects your EDITOR setting. |
| 16:48.13 | Delf1 | Ok |
| 16:48.26 | justin_ | mtedder: try tail -f -n0 /var/log/apache2/*.log |
| 16:48.36 | babilen | "export EDITOR=/usr/bin/nano" if EDITOR is set to something else |
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| 16:48.48 | justin_ | mtedder: if you configured the virtual host to log to another directory you'll have to look there |
| 16:49.04 | karlpinc | Humm... Looks like. |
| 16:49.07 | _Dave123_ | babilen: i need to set the keyboard layout |
| 16:49.14 | babilen | karlpinc: I would think so. |
| 16:49.37 | karlpinc | babilen: Me too. But I wanted to be sure. |
| 16:49.39 | Delf1 | babilen: I used "visudo", still same. |
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| 16:50.26 | babilen | _Dave123_: Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" and/or configure it within Gnome. But what is the status right now? Is gnome-settings-daemon started? What about the bazillion errors in your ~/.xsession-errors etc etc et al inter alia usw |
| 16:50.55 | Delf1 | Unbelievable.. |
| 16:51.03 | mah454 | I receive this error after run indexmaker command : |
| 16:51.08 | mah454 | "Use of uninitialized value $first in hash element at /usr/bin/indexmaker line 353." |
| 16:51.24 | mah454 | what is problem ? |
| 16:51.35 | Delf1 | babilen: It doesn't work. What do I do now? |
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| 16:52.15 | justin_ | mah454: other than perl sucks, read line 353 and see what it is trying to do |
| 16:52.52 | phik | Is there an easy way to force a load of package to downgrade to stable? |
| 16:52.59 | mah454 | 353 have this line : "my $host = $$rcfg{host}{$first};" |
| 16:53.04 | phik | i accidently updated about 100 or so to the versions in testing |
| 16:53.06 | mtedder | justin_: right now it's absolute default apache2 install--zero changes. Here's a pastebin after getting 3 suck 500s.. http://pastebin.com/FCcn220p |
| 16:53.14 | babilen | karlpinc: I would not offer to sacrifice my daughter on this gut feeling, but I would think so. Check /etc/init.d/umountfs for example |
| 16:53.14 | mtedder | So.. it is showing up in access.log |
| 16:53.16 | catsup | mah454: well, $first hasn't been assigned to |
| 16:53.20 | karlpinc | !tell phik about downgrade |
| 16:53.23 | Delf1 | Tell me what to do in "root terminal" to get rid of the pass prompt, please? |
| 16:53.31 | karlpinc | babilen: I did. It's got code. I assume it works. |
| 16:53.41 | babilen | Delf1: Don't do anything in root terminal, use a normal terminal |
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| 16:53.47 | ElDiabolo | Was amd64 architecture affected by the exim vulnerability at the end of 2010? |
| 16:54.06 | phik | I know i can force version in synaptic, and have tried setting priority in /etc/apt/prefrences, but no luck |
| 16:54.10 | babilen | Delf: Once you have a root terminal you have root privileges already and don't need sudo. |
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| 16:54.34 | sako | which kernel does debian 6 use? |
| 16:54.36 | catsup | mah454: point me to the source and i will figure out how to assign the value if it doesn't take too long |
| 16:54.36 | babilen | Delf: Just run a normal terminal, execute "sudo -i" and be happy |
| 16:54.37 | sako | what version* |
| 16:54.38 | Delf | babilen: Thats exactly my point, I DON'T NEED SUDO. |
| 16:54.41 | dvs | sako: 2.6.32-5 |
| 16:54.43 | justin_ | mtedder: strange |
| 16:54.45 | mah454 | Ok ... How do i do ? |
| 16:54.45 | sako | thanks |
| 16:54.45 | babilen | sako: 2.6.32 -- do you need a different one? |
| 16:54.54 | sako | no |
| 16:54.56 | _Dave123_ | babilen: yes it runs now |
| 16:55.01 | justin_ | Delf: you just like to complain, don't you? |
| 16:55.06 | sako | just creating a vm, have to tell vmware what version of the kernel :) |
| 16:55.18 | Delf | justin_: I like to get things done without too much useless talk and workarounds. |
| 16:55.21 | catsup | mah454: pastebin or something |
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| 16:55.46 | justin_ | Delf: you've certainly caused a large amount of uesless talk here... |
| 16:55.47 | _Dave123_ | babilen: 718 ** (gnome-settings-daemon:1957): WARNING **: XKB extension not available |
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| 16:55.53 | Delf | justin_: I do not want to ever type my password ever again after logging in. |
| 16:56.02 | wad | I'm trying to grow my RAID5 (with 4 devices) to RAID6 (with 5 devices). I've added the 5th drive. This command "mdadm --grow /dev/md1 --level=6 --raid-devices=5 --backup-file=/root/b" results in this error: "mdadm: /dev/md1: Cannot reshape array without increasing size (yet)." Google has not been helpful at finding out what is wrong. Ideas? |
| 16:56.05 | _Dave123_ | babilen: 720 ** (gnome-settings-daemon:1957): WARNING **: Neither XKeyboard not Xfree86's keyboard extensions are available, |
| 16:56.06 | babilen | Delf: I don't understand your problem. I thought you wanted a way to acquire root privileges without typing a password. configuring sudo accordingly and running "sudo -i" *as your user* (i.e. not root!) gives you exactly that. I wouldn't configure my system that way, but I will not lecture you about that. |
| 16:56.10 | _Dave123_ | that looks to be the probem |
| 16:56.22 | Delf | justin_: Yea, I have. Thanks to people that like to get everyone into wheel chairs just because some idiots don't know how to walk. |
| 16:56.24 | babilen | _Dave123_: xserver-xorg-input-kbd installed? |
| 16:56.31 | wad | I always use "sudo -i" personally. |
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| 16:56.48 | justin_ | Delf: it takes 30 seconds to reconfigure sudo to not ask for a password. |
| 16:56.48 | babilen | wad: same here, and hence my recommendation |
| 16:56.54 | justin_ | Delf: you've been bitching about it for half an hour |
| 16:56.58 | catsup | Delf: you apparently don't know how to read the manual page for sudo, so maybe you should not be logging in as root... |
| 16:56.59 | _Dave123_ | babilen: ii xserver-xorg-input-kbd 1:1.4.0-2 X.Org X server -- keyboard input driver |
| 16:57.06 | wad | I just put this in /etc/sudoers: wad ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 16:57.08 | babilen | justin_: I already told him about that and don't understand his problem. |
| 16:57.19 | justin_ | babilen: i know, I don't either |
| 16:57.23 | Delf | justin_: It could take less than 30 seconds if I knew exactly what to do. I've tried what you guys have told me, it doesn't work. |
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| 16:57.34 | wad | I just dropped in, so I didn't even get to see his question. |
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| 16:57.59 | mtedder | justin_: These directory/file permissions look good, right? http://pastebin.com/cnnTxBiv |
| 16:58.12 | justin_ | mtedder: if the permissions were wrong you should get a 403 not a 500 |
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| 16:58.41 | babilen | Delf: Please calm down. We are all volunteers and are trying to help you. An important part of providing help is to exactly understand what the problem is. If you are angry or otherwise not contempt you might want to take a break, have a walk and relax before keeping on working. I am not willing to spend *my free time* on helping people who are aggressive or do not appreciate my efforts. |
| 16:58.43 | justin_ | mtedder: where did htdocs come from? |
| 16:58.44 | jhutchins_lt | Delf: It works when done properly. |
| 16:58.50 | justin_ | isn't the default just /var/www ? |
| 16:59.02 | jhutchins_lt | Delf: It's not like millions of internet serers are out there not working. |
| 16:59.06 | jhutchins_lt | servers that is. |
| 16:59.13 | phik | thanks karlpinc ill just stick to testing for now |
| 16:59.16 | babilen | _Dave123_: May I see /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 16:59.30 | ElDiabolo | I am wondering if the amd64 architecture was affected by the exim buffer overflow vulnerability or if the NX bit prevented that. Any hints? |
| 16:59.47 | Delf | babilen: Do not underestimate my appreciation :) |
| 16:59.52 | mtedder | justin_: yeah.. that's interesting, after apt-get --purge remove apache2 && apt-get install apache2 it somehow automatically found the /var/www/htdocs directory and setup the default virtual host pointing to it. |
| 16:59.54 | catsup | jhutchins_lt: millions of internet servers are indeed out there not working, but most of them are not running debian :p |
| 17:00.16 | justin_ | mtedder: i dunno if purge will really remove all files from /etc/apache2 |
| 17:00.26 | karlpinc | !tell phik about overview |
| 17:00.44 | karlpinc | phik: ^^ fyi |
| 17:00.51 | justin_ | mtedder: if you move one of the images up one directory, do they work then? |
| 17:01.08 | _Dave123_ | babilen: cat: /var/log/Xorg.0.log: No such file or directory |
| 17:01.09 | babilen | Delf: "ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL" is the correct syntax, see Tag_Spec in "man sudoers" and the example for "FULLTIMERS" later ... |
| 17:01.27 | babilen | _Dave123_: ls /var/log/Xorg.*.log ? |
| 17:01.51 | Delf | I've read the manual, it's not too complex. I ran root terminal, wrote password. #visudo. Added the freaking like "Delf ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL". Saved and logged out, logged back in, it's still asking for password when I hit root terminal. |
| 17:02.03 | mtedder | justin_: no.. same error.. I also tried making a separate dir and putting them in there.. same error. |
| 17:02.25 | themill | Delf: what does "when I hit root terminal" mean? |
| 17:02.25 | mtedder | I guess it's .jpg, .gif, and also files with no extension |
| 17:02.27 | _Dave123_ | babilen: nothing |
| 17:02.48 | Delf | themill: In the menus up there, I hit (click) on "root terminal". |
| 17:02.49 | babilen | Delf: This has *nothing* to do with the "root terminal" in the gnome menu. Start a normal terminal and run "sudo -i" are you still recquired to enter a password? |
| 17:02.49 | AthomIk | hello babilen |
| 17:02.52 | mah454 | catsup indexmaker : http://pastebin.com/3mnv2GLV |
| 17:02.57 | babilen | AthomIk: o/ |
| 17:03.04 | AthomIk | babilen: can you read this SVP http://pastebin.com/dR5WhV9U |
| 17:03.08 | jhutchins_lt | catsup: Perhaps that Redmond software that allows a high-school grad to point-and-click them into oblivion - without entering a password? |
| 17:03.18 | mtedder | justin_: apt-get --purge remove apache2 actually deleted the entire /etc/apache2 directory.. and apt-get install apache2 made it new. |
| 17:03.19 | babilen | _Dave123_: Is the xserver started? Do you run "startx" or something like that? |
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| 17:03.44 | mtedder | justin_: and pointed to the /var/www/htdocs dir.. I figure it must have a smart script to figure out that index.php is in there. |
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| 17:03.55 | Delf | babilen: It tells me that I'm not in the sudoers files when I do sudo -i in a terminal. AFTER typing in my passwd. |
| 17:04.39 | themill | Delf: there are two things to sort out here. One is to get sudoers sorted out, the other is to make the gksu or su-to-root used by that menu entry use sudo rather than su. |
| 17:04.48 | babilen | Delf: Could you paste the complete session and the *exact* line in your sudoers? start and and with executing "whoami" |
| 17:05.01 | _Dave123_ | babilen: i need to start as root right? |
| 17:05.03 | babilen | themill: thanks |
| 17:05.10 | babilen | _Dave123_: No, just as your user |
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| 17:05.25 | _Dave123_ | babilen: X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 17:05.32 | _Dave123_ | babilen: xinit: No such file or directory (errno 2): unable to connect to X server |
| 17:05.37 | _Dave123_ | babilen: xinit: No such process (errno 3): unexpected signal 2. |
| 17:05.38 | Delf | I'm going to have to log on here from the Server then. Be right back! |
| 17:05.45 | babilen | _Dave123_: paste.debian.net |
| 17:05.49 | _Dave123_ | babilen: thats all |
| 17:05.50 | geekbri | this may seem like a stupid question but Do i need to have any existing VNC software installed to be able to use the --vnc option when using virt-install to install a KVM guest ? |
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| 17:06.59 | mtedder | justin_: you have absolutely no suggests for me now, right? just too bizarre... re-install debian? |
| 17:07.00 | catsup | mah454: ok, i see that $first is set from @order |
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| 17:07.12 | babilen | _Dave123_: How do you connect? And you run "startx" ? |
| 17:07.23 | _Dave123_ | babilen: putty |
| 17:07.24 | catsup | mah454: @order is set from the sort order option, which probably you didn't specify or specified incorrectly |
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| 17:07.59 | Delf | Right, here I am again. |
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| 17:08.23 | Delf | whoami outputs: delf |
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| 17:08.50 | mah454 | catsub I need install mrtg ... |
| 17:08.51 | babilen | _Dave123_: Ok, given that this is a remote server I would recommend to configure a VNC server on the remote system. I recommend tightvnc, but there are other. You can then connect to the VNC server in order to get a graphical session. How did you run Gnome until now? |
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| 17:09.00 | _Dave123_ | babilen: i use tightvnc |
| 17:09.09 | Zagorax | hello, I installed debian 6 and i manually set my network. Now my network is handled by the file /etc/network/interfaces and not by the NetworkManager. But some programm (as evolution) work offline only and seems don't recognise the connection... can you help me? |
| 17:09.11 | catsup | mah454: specify one of --sort={original,name,title,description}. or maybe the problem is a bug where @order is in the wrong scope, i didn't look too carefully |
| 17:09.14 | babilen | _Dave123_: Wonderful. Keep on using that :) |
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| 17:09.20 | _Dave123_ | babilen: but there is the problem, i dont have the correct keyboard layout, so i cannot type |
| 17:09.21 | Delf | babilen: What next? I'm "delf" obviously. |
| 17:09.31 | dvs | Zagorax: uninstall network-manager |
| 17:09.35 | babilen | Delf: You've pasted that? |
| 17:09.41 | _Dave123_ | babilen: until now with tightvnc |
| 17:09.52 | Delf | babilen: delf@debian:~$ whoami |
| 17:09.53 | Delf | delf |
| 17:09.54 | babilen | _Dave123_: yeah, that is the correct way. |
| 17:09.59 | babilen | Delf: paste.debian.net |
| 17:10.36 | babilen | Delf: don't forget the line from /etc/sudoers ... and the whole "sudo -i" output |
| 17:10.54 | catsup | mah454: on second thought it does look like @order is in the wrong scope, the 'my @order;' should be moved up to the top right after 'my @argv = @ARGV; |
| 17:10.59 | babilen | Delf: You also have to give your users password and not the root one. You edited that file with visudo, right? |
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| 17:11.45 | Delf | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/110158/ |
| 17:12.06 | Delf | babilen: I use same password for root and my account. |
| 17:12.37 | geekbri | has anybody here used virst-install to create a new guest on a server without X? I'm trying to install a new guest, but I can't seem to connect to the VNC for it. After running my virt-install command i get "cannot open display: and if i try to connect with tightVNC i just get "failed to connect to server" |
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| 17:14.02 | thewanderer1 | geekbri: have you set your domain's VNC to listen on the proper address (0.0.0.0 for example)? usually it only binds to 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:14.19 | babilen | _Dave123_: Hmm. So, you can log into gnome, but the keyboard is messed up? do you by chance have a linux machine around from which you can try to login? I think it might have to do with tightvnc's handling of keymaps (something like http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=476727 -- note: bug is fixed) |
| 17:14.34 | geekbri | thewanderer1: ah i see i just did --vnc I assume i have to do something like --vnc 192.168.10.100 ? |
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| 17:14.54 | geekbri | thewanderer1, virt-install --name fcdc --ram 2047 --disk /mnt/vm_container/fcdc/win2k8.img,size=50 --accelerate --network=bridge:br0 --vnc --os-variant win2k8 --cdrom /dev/cdrom |
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| 17:15.08 | babilen | Delf: exact line from /etc/sudoers + "whoami" "sudo -i" "whoami" + output please, not just the whoami output, thank |
| 17:15.11 | babilen | s |
| 17:15.40 | _Dave123_ | babilen: maybe, because i have another system with the same install, and that runs vnc4server and that works perfect |
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| 17:15.42 | babilen | _Dave123_: You also use tightvnc on windows? |
| 17:15.47 | _Dave123_ | babilen: so could be pretty much that, |
| 17:15.52 | _Dave123_ | babilen: no, realvnc |
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| 17:16.11 | babilen | _Dave123_: It is most likely some tightvnc configuration problem or bug ... |
| 17:16.29 | mah454 | catsup add "my @order" after "my @argv = @ARGV" ? |
| 17:16.47 | babilen | _Dave123_: Could you try the tightvnc viewer from http://www.tightvnc.com/download.html (just to triage the problem further) |
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| 17:16.52 | engla | Why isn't gtk+ 2.24 in unstable? |
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| 17:17.07 | catsup | mah454: yeah MOVE the other 'my @order' line there |
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| 17:17.29 | akssps011 | I have installed kate and amarok, but I don't see them anywhere in the menus |
| 17:17.31 | thewanderer1 | geekbri: how are you connecting to the VNC server? |
| 17:17.36 | akssps011 | though I can access them via terminal |
| 17:17.44 | catsup | mah454: not sure about that i just glanced at it but give it a shot |
| 17:17.58 | geekbri | thewanderer1, Im on a windows 7 PC using tightvnc i just type in "192.168.10.100" which is the ip of the KVM hosting server |
| 17:18.18 | jhutchins_lt | akssps011: What DE are you using? |
| 17:18.22 | _Dave123_ | babilen: sure |
| 17:18.40 | babilen | _Dave123_: Thank you. It would be nice to figure out what the fuck is the cause for this :) |
| 17:19.21 | _Dave123_ | babilen: same issue |
| 17:19.22 | _Dave123_ | :> |
| 17:19.37 | babilen | argh! |
| 17:19.48 | akssps011 | jhutchins_lt: DE ? |
| 17:19.56 | babilen | akssps011: desktop environment |
| 17:20.02 | akssps011 | ah |
| 17:20.07 | thewanderer1 | geekbri: yes, and have you verified that your host is listening on 0.0.0.0:vnc (5900 or a bit higher)? (netstat -tl) |
| 17:20.10 | jhutchins_lt | akssps011: Desktop Environment - gnome, kde3, kde4... |
| 17:20.10 | akssps011 | debian 6, gnome |
| 17:20.23 | akssps011 | but installed kdelibs |
| 17:20.38 | thewanderer1 | geekbri: man virt-install, look for --vnclisten |
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| 17:21.02 | Delf | babilen: I've edited the etc\sudoers using visudo, yes. |
| 17:21.05 | babilen | _Dave123_: I'll take a short break. See you in a second ... |
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| 17:21.25 | mtedder | Anyone: if apt-get purge apache2 or apt-get --purge remove apache2 actually does not remove all config files, then what does? |
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| 17:21.40 | mtedder | I thought it did once.. but I tried again and saw that it didn't. |
| 17:21.44 | engla | akssps011: I wonder if the applications are visible in the menu editor (right-click the app menu -> Edit menus) |
| 17:21.53 | geekbri | thewanderer1, ok i'll go read that now |
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| 17:21.56 | MaxFrames | hello |
| 17:21.58 | jhutchins_lt | Is there an irc client that will filter on a nic so you can track a conversational thread in a crowded channel's backscroll? |
| 17:22.03 | babilen | _Dave123_: You might want to read http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=545939 in the meanwhile |
| 17:22.07 | mtedder | I also tried manually deleting /etc/apache2 and /var/www and then apt-get install apache2 did not recreate those config files. |
| 17:22.12 | mtedder | or directories |
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| 17:22.24 | babilen | _Dave123_: Also check for other bugs. See you in a sec :) |
| 17:22.39 | thewanderer1 | mtedder: apache2 is a metapackage, it doesn't have config files |
| 17:22.44 | jhutchins_lt | mtedder: There's more than one apache2 package. |
| 17:22.51 | mtedder | thewanderer1: ah.. i c. |
| 17:23.03 | babilen | Delf: I can and will do nothing without a complete paste that exemplifies the problem and contains the *exact* content of your /etc/sudoers file |
| 17:23.58 | mtedder | thewanderer1: I think I will try copying over /etc/apache2 from an entirely different server.. and see if .jpg and .gif files still give me a 500 error. |
| 17:24.01 | mah454 | catsup i add "my @order ;" after line 57 ; but not fixed .... ! |
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| 17:24.22 | MaxFrames | I have a debian box acting as a nat router between two networks, and I want to forward port 9/UDP coming in from eth0 (network 1) to eth1 (network 2) to the broadcast address of network 2 |
| 17:24.36 | Delf | babilen: Ok, so you want me to paste the sudoers file. |
| 17:24.40 | MaxFrames | can you tell me if the following rule in iptables is correct to do that? |
| 17:24.47 | akssps011 | engla: kate and amarok are not there |
| 17:25.12 | MaxFrames | $IPT ât nat âI PREROUTING âi eth0 âp udp âdestination-ports 9 âo eth1 âj DNAT âto-dest 255.255.255.255 |
| 17:25.25 | catsup | mah454: what? after line 57? it has to be at the top, and only once |
| 17:25.27 | jhutchins_lt | akssps011: I don't mess with gnome, but the application interface for menus is standardized between gnome and kde on debian. Perhaps you need to re-start gnome (to restart the menu applet). |
| 17:25.27 | MaxFrames | (where $IPT="/sbin/iptables") |
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| 17:25.40 | Delf | babilen: Here http://paste.debian.net/110161/ |
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| 17:26.37 | engla | akssps011: ah. the .desktop files (menu files) can have things like NotShowIn=GNOME etc. You can copy the desktop file from /usr/share/applications/kate.desktop into ~/.local/share/applications and modify it in the latter locations (changes will take precedence). If this is the issue |
| 17:26.39 | jhutchins_lt | MaxFrames: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
| 17:27.00 | themill | Delf: carefully compare the output of "whoami" to the username you specified in line 18 of sudoers. |
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| 17:27.28 | Delf | themill: Tell me it's case sensitive instead. Thanks. |
| 17:27.28 | MaxFrames | jhutchins_lt: does that count as a "no"? |
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| 17:27.54 | geekbri | thewanderer1, thanks! |
| 17:28.04 | mah454 | catsup can you write true script an past in pastebin ? |
| 17:28.09 | Delf | logs off to try out the changes. |
| 17:29.19 | MaxFrames | jhutchins_lt: I am already using the box as a NAT router; I just need to add this port forwarding rule and I'd like to double check with you guys if you deem it's correct |
| 17:29.30 | jhutchins_lt | MaxFrames: That counts as "I use dd-wrt now so I don't do this directly, but here's one of the references I always used when I did build linux routers." |
| 17:29.52 | akssps011 | engla: what needs to be modified |
| 17:30.11 | MaxFrames | ok, thanks anyway but what I really need is just a quick peek at the rule and a "yes" or "no" ;) |
| 17:30.54 | _Dave123_ | babilen: thanks for all help, that fixed it |
| 17:30.56 | catsup | mah454: ok but not any more if this doesn't work http://pastebin.com/aMiRQ4Ty |
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| 17:31.05 | jhutchins_lt | MaxFrames: Doesn't look right to me, but without looking at that reference I'm not sure. |
| 17:31.06 | _Dave123_ | babilen: im now reading why and testing if the .xsessions-errors also disappeared |
| 17:31.08 | babilen | _Dave123_: Hooray!! |
| 17:31.34 | babilen | _Dave123_: You are most welcome and may you have a nice day. It once again shows that the hardest part is finding the culprit :) |
| 17:31.42 | Delf | babilen: I changed from Delf to delf and restarted. Now what do I do? |
| 17:31.49 | catsup | mah454: listen, make sure you use --sort |
| 17:31.53 | babilen | Delf: try it? |
| 17:32.00 | Delf | how? |
| 17:32.14 | Delf | when I start root terminal it asks for password. |
| 17:32.20 | engla | akssps011: if there is a line like OnlyShowIn= or NotShowIn= it should be removed or edited |
| 17:32.22 | babilen | Delf: Open a normal terminal, type "sudo -i" and see what happens? |
| 17:32.49 | Delf | babilen: I'm assuming that worked, since it's not complaining. |
| 17:32.52 | mah454 | my command is this : "indexmaker --output=/var/www/mrtg/index.html /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cfg" |
| 17:32.52 | babilen | Delf: I told you before that the "root terminal" in the gnome menu is a different issue. |
| 17:32.58 | mah454 | catsup my command is this : "indexmaker --output=/var/www/mrtg/index.html /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cfg" |
| 17:33.00 | babilen | Delf: So it works. |
| 17:33.10 | akssps011 | ok |
| 17:33.17 | catsup | mah454: right. change it so you specify --sort! see if that works ok! |
| 17:33.29 | Delf | babilen: My issue is having to type my password over and over again. I want to get rid of that, period. |
| 17:33.44 | catsup | Delf: dude |
| 17:34.02 | Delf | babilen: Thanks for the help thou, now I know how to add users to the sudoers files. |
| 17:34.03 | jhutchins_lt | Delf: May I recommend a fine product called "Windows 7" that may be more suited to your needs? |
| 17:34.04 | engla | akssps011: is there such a line in the .desktop file(s)? in that case that's the problem. But I would find it strange if there was! |
| 17:34.04 | babilen | catsup: haha |
| 17:34.05 | MaxFrames | jhutchins_lt: thanks anyway; anyone else? |
| 17:34.06 | catsup | Delf: don't use gnome root terminal |
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| 17:34.37 | Delf | jhutchins_lt: I've tried that already. |
| 17:34.41 | catsup | rofl |
| 17:34.50 | catsup | <3 Delf |
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| 17:35.11 | Delf | <3 catsup as well |
| 17:35.11 | derik | asus P8H67-M EVO + i7 2600 is suporter by debian ? |
| 17:35.17 | derik | suported |
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| 17:36.07 | mah454 | catsup not work ! "indexmaker --sort title --output=/var/www/mrtg/index.html /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cfg" |
| 17:36.08 | jY | i'm trying to patch bash and installed it via apt-get source bash... how do I increment the package version from 3.2-4 to like 3.2-10 |
| 17:36.15 | jY | i'm building it with debuild -us -uc |
| 17:36.27 | themill | derik: it's hard to know because laptop manufacturers routinely change their components without changing the model number. "/msg dpkg laptops" and have a look for other installation reports can be useful though. |
| 17:37.02 | mah454 | catsup "Use of uninitialized value $first in hash element at /usr/bin/indexmaker line 353" |
| 17:37.10 | amoe | jY: modify debian/changelog |
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| 17:37.43 | mtedder | justin_: deleting and copying over the /etc/apache2 dir from another fresh install of debian did the trick... I can see all images now. |
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| 17:37.59 | jY | amoe: thanks |
| 17:38.01 | Delf | jhutchins_lt: You should recommend lenny instead. There I can login as root and skip all the bullsh1t. I wouldn't recommend MS software at all. |
| 17:38.09 | amoe | jY: though that's probably not the best way to stop it being upgraded |
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| 17:39.01 | themill | Delf: what makes you think there's a difference between lenny and squeeze in this? |
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| 17:39.04 | mtedder | justin_: I don't know what in apache2 config caused that.. all I did prior (that I noticed) was install shibd (shibboleth).. |
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| 17:39.58 | mtedder | justin_: purging apache2 didn't work, because it's a meta package.. I must have had a typo when I tried to see if it removed /etc/apache2.. |
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| 17:40.28 | akssps011 | engla: no, but putting them into /local/share/applications adds them to menu |
| 17:40.43 | catsup | mah454: maybe there are no items to sort, like no valid routers |
| 17:40.51 | derik | how i verify if a motherboard is compatible with debian 6 ? |
| 17:40.52 | catsup | mah454: anyway i cannot debug further, sorry |
| 17:40.56 | RocketLauncher | I cant read unicode like åèã®è½âã¡ããããâª|â£â¨| |
| 17:41.07 | dvs | derik: Debian Live CD? |
| 17:41.11 | RocketLauncher | only the diamond, the note sign and â£â¨ show up |
| 17:41.22 | eBittin | somone near Stockholm wants a powermac 4400/200? |
| 17:41.25 | jhutchins_lt | derik: Install debian 6 on it, see what works and what doesn't, report it to the hardware compatibility database. |
| 17:41.36 | themill | RocketLauncher: that's a matter of getting a font with more glyphs in it |
| 17:41.47 | RocketLauncher | themill, i cant read it anywhere on any browser or xchat |
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| 17:42.23 | themill | RocketLauncher: yep -- you need a font with more glyphs for both your browser and for xchat. |
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| 17:43.02 | RocketLauncher | themill i've used this font before on another distro and it worked |
| 17:43.05 | RocketLauncher | on windows too |
| 17:43.10 | jhutchins_lt | RocketLauncher: It might be useful to ask the people writing those characters what font or character set they're using. |
| 17:43.18 | themill | RocketLauncher: different version of the font, most likely. |
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| 17:43.30 | mah454 | catsup Thank You :) |
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| 17:44.07 | catsup | sure, good luck :) |
| 17:44.26 | RocketLauncher | every mono font i have it doesnt work |
| 17:44.31 | RocketLauncher | you sure it's the font? |
| 17:45.06 | themill | yep |
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| 17:45.48 | babilen | RocketLauncher: It is definitely the font. Have you tried to install a few more since the last time we talked about this? |
| 17:45.54 | themill | if you're seeing some characters that are correct and not others, then it's not an encoding problem |
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| 17:46.40 | babilen | RocketLauncher: xfonts-intl-asian might come in handy, among a million of other xfonts-* and ttf-* fonts. |
| 17:46.41 | RocketLauncher | babilen, i dont remember you saying anything to me, i think i was on a different client last time that didn't highlight my name |
| 17:46.45 | RocketLauncher | ok |
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| 17:47.40 | Delf | Ok, anyone around who want to help me log in as root in graphical instead? I'm using Debian Squeeze. |
| 17:48.10 | cahoot | Delf: not wise |
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| 17:48.34 | themill | [17:04] <themill> Delf: there are two things to sort out here. One is to get sudoers sorted out, the other is to make the gksu or su-to-root used by that menu entry use sudo rather than su. |
| 17:49.13 | RocketLauncher | http://i.imgur.com/Te1n4.png my youtube videos come up as this |
| 17:49.16 | babilen | RocketLauncher: I have the following installed: http://paste.debian.net/110164/ use terminus for most monospace things and don't have any problems. A bunch of other xfonts- packages might be interesting, such as those for arabic, or hebrew, or ... |
| 17:49.26 | RocketLauncher | babilen, i just installed two others someone suggested and it shows up now |
| 17:49.34 | RocketLauncher | i'll install others too i guess |
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| 17:49.46 | babilen | RocketLauncher: Wonderful. What did you install? |
| 17:49.56 | RocketLauncher | ttf-kochi-gothic-naga10 ttf-kochi-mincho-naga10 |
| 17:50.18 | _Dave123_ | I'm installing vbox, with dpkg --install vbox_package_name.deb - however i get all type of dependency erorrs and it quits .. how can i have these all at once installed? or should i all pick and install them manually?> |
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| 17:50.34 | babilen | RocketLauncher: I would also recommend the ttf-arphic ones for chinese (if you care about having beautiful chinese fonts) as well as the respective xfonts- packages. |
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| 17:51.05 | jhutchins_lt | !vbox |
| 17:51.05 | dpkg | Oracle VM VirtualBox is a virtual machine solution. To install, ask me about <vbox-install squeeze> or <vbox-install lenny>. http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ http://www.virtualbox.org/ #vbox on irc.freenode.net. See also <vbox manual>, <vbox guest-utils>, <vbox-ose vs vbox>, <vbox migrate win>, <vdi>, <virtualization>. |
| 17:51.24 | cahoot | Delf: what is it you do that prompts you so often for root pw? |
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| 17:54.54 | Delf | cahoot: Install/remove programs. Edit files, change settings. |
| 17:56.26 | Delf | You guys don't do those things? |
| 17:56.26 | mattgyver | hey guys, outside of running iptables-restore < file, upon startup to restore a firewall configuration, is there a better way that might not need a startup script? |
| 17:56.48 | themill | Delf: (a) how often are you actually doing this, (b) you just set it up so that sudo doesn't ask for a password any more -- why not just do that. |
| 17:57.11 | Delf | themill: Using sudo -i? |
| 17:57.15 | themill | Delf: (a lot of configuration can be done per-user anyway, so you don't need to edit system settings when you're talking about a single-user machine) |
| 17:57.38 | themill | Delf: either "sudo nano somefile" or "sudo -i" inside any old terminal, yes. |
| 17:57.40 | Delf | themill: I feel like snapping my d1ck off :D |
| 17:58.07 | themill | sounds slightly drastic and traumatic, and yet you have a grin... |
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| 17:58.30 | thewanderer1 | Delf: you can use 'su' to start a root shell, then you go from there |
| 17:58.38 | Delf | themill: I'm a freaking noob. Exploring the OS. Looking for settings and changing things. I'm being forced to REPEAT myself (typing the password) and it really gets on my nerves. |
| 17:59.03 | themill | Delf: well you've now solved that problem. Enjoy! |
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| 17:59.05 | babilen | thewanderer1: We are already at the point where Delf can run "sudo -i" without typing his password and he still wants to cut off his penis |
| 17:59.09 | RocketLauncher | why does http://i.imgur.com/Te1n4.png my youtube videos come up as this |
| 17:59.12 | thewanderer1 | ok... |
| 17:59.12 | Delf | Not everything I do is in the shell/terminal |
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| 17:59.54 | Delf | babilen: You know exactly why I want to snap it off as much as I want to snap off the "password prompt" thing. |
| 18:00.58 | babilen | Delf: No, I actually don't think I know that particular urge. I have absolutely no problem with typing my password whenever I want to fiddle with my system's configuration as well. |
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| 18:02.05 | o0ze | Delf: you can use 'sudo !!' that way you don't have to retype the last command |
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| 18:02.46 | o0ze | Delf: or run 'sudo su' |
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| 18:03.02 | babilen | o0ze: tip: "sudo -i" :) |
| 18:03.22 | o0ze | thnx :P |
| 18:03.54 | Delf | Don't sudo lecture me. Help me to get rid of the password prompt instead. |
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| 18:04.21 | o0ze | I didn't lecture you just gave I tip. sorry won't do it again. |
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| 18:04.34 | _Dave123_ | jhutchins_lt: very old ancient versions |
| 18:04.45 | cahoot | Delf: don't dismiss the advice you get - they are sound |
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| 18:05.34 | Arrowmaster | im trying to remember what all changes are made in the installer when you tell it not to set a root password, then it uses sudo for everything and i know you dont have to input the password everytime you run something through the gui |
| 18:05.38 | Arrowmaster | thats probably what you want |
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| 18:06.16 | jhutchins_lt | Delf: Why are we obliged to help you do something stupid? |
| 18:06.30 | jhutchins_lt | Delf: You not only want an incorrect answer, you want a SPECIFIC incorrect answer? |
| 18:06.43 | babilen | shouldn't he rather work on using gksudo instead of gksu? /me is done with the dick-snapper though :) |
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| 18:07.26 | justin_ | babilen: gksudo is gksu |
| 18:07.46 | babilen | Delf: But please understand that the distinction between the super user (i.e. root) and other users is an important part in what makes linux secure. |
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| 18:08.27 | twanny | I want to make a floppy install on an old pentium laptop, any links? |
| 18:09.08 | justin_ | twanny: you mean, install from floppies? |
| 18:09.08 | twanny | justin_ : yes |
| 18:09.12 | justin_ | twanny: no cdrom at all? |
| 18:09.23 | twanny | justin_ : no |
| 18:09.23 | babilen | justin_: You mean "gksu --sudo-mode" == "gksudo" and "gksu" == "gksudo --su-mode" ? |
| 18:09.40 | justin_ | babilen: yeah, it's the same program |
| 18:09.59 | Delf | o0ze: No sorries, its ok. |
| 18:10.01 | babilen | justin_: yeah, sure ... never use it. |
| 18:10.06 | justin_ | twanny: ethernet? |
| 18:10.20 | AthomIk | babilen: can you read http://pastebin.com/dR5WhV9U please |
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| 18:10.37 | babilen | AthomIk: A right, you were lurking in the back of my head :) |
| 18:10.41 | zxd_ | is debian repository down |
| 18:10.52 | zxd_ | never mind |
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| 18:12.10 | babilen | AthomIk: Ok. So, we basically wanted to make sure that not a number of actually desired packages are removed when you install gdm (in order to replace gdm3) right? What is the output of "aptitude -s install gdm" now? And which packages in the list of packages to be removed do you actually want to keep? |
| 18:13.02 | AthomIk | babilen: i have only make "aptitude -s install gdm" not without the s parameter |
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| 18:13.05 | Delf | babilen: Save me that "security" please? |
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| 18:13.34 | babilen | Delf: What do you mean? You don't want me to mention it? |
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| 18:13.44 | themill | !gksu |
| 18:13.44 | dpkg | well, gksu is a graphical interface for running X apps as another user such as root. aptitude install gksu. If you have set your machine up with sudo to allow you to run any command you want, then you can make gksu use "sudo" mode all the time by running "gconftool-2 -t bool -s /apps/gksu/sudo-mode 1". Also ask me about <sux>. |
| 18:13.45 | AthomIk | ok i must "aptitude install gdm" and if i have problem speak with you |
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| 18:14.25 | Delf | babilen: No, I mean having to type my password over and over for "security reasons" gives me brainbleeding. Help me to get rid of that particular "security feature", please? |
| 18:14.26 | AthomIk | babilen: why not make unmark_auto gnome ? |
| 18:14.27 | babilen | AthomIk: That was the basic idea, yes. You can also paste the output of that command if you want recommendations on what packages to keep. But you can decide that yourself too. |
| 18:14.35 | Arrowmaster | after making that change with gconftool-2, sudo can be configured to not ask for a password |
| 18:14.54 | themill | Arrowmaster: yeah, the sudoers config is already done |
| 18:15.06 | AthomIk | babilen: i can mark auto metapackages ? |
| 18:15.23 | babilen | AthomIk: That won't solve anything. As I explained to you the last time, gnome is going to be removed because you request the removal of a package it depends on (gdm3) ... |
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| 18:16.04 | AthomIk | babilen: ok thk |
| 18:16.06 | babilen | Delf: You got that discussion? |
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| 18:16.48 | Delf | babilen: I don't understand your question. Would you explain? |
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| 18:17.07 | Arrowmaster | Delf: run "gconftool-2 -t bool -s /apps/gksu/sudo-mode 1" |
| 18:17.12 | babilen | Delf: You followed the discussion between Arrowmaster, themill and read the factoid from dpkg above? |
| 18:17.34 | babilen | Delf: Or just execute the command Arrowmaster just fed you :) |
| 18:17.50 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.56 | babilen | no! |
| 18:18.07 | massmc | hello how to fully remove apache2 please |
| 18:18.13 | AthomIk | babilen: i have idee, at this time i use kvm for some vm, i install a squeeze with gdm3 and test before on the host :D |
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| 18:18.23 | babilen | hands Delf a scissor |
| 18:18.26 | AthomIk | yes sometime, if a idées |
| 18:18.34 | babilen | AthomIk: sure, off you go. Have fun |
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| 18:19.43 | Delf | babilen: Thanks. What do I do with the scissors? Cut my..? |
| 18:19.54 | babilen | massmc: "aptitude purge ~i~n^apache2" might be a reasonable command. (Carefully check the list of packages that are going to be purged though) |
| 18:19.58 | babilen | Delf: yes |
| 18:20.05 | Delf | Why did I "gconftool-2 -t bool -s /apps/gksu/sudo-mode 1" for? |
| 18:20.14 | Arrowmaster | to make gksu use sudo |
| 18:20.16 | babilen | Delf: Read the factoid and the discussion aboce |
| 18:20.21 | babilen | *above |
| 18:20.27 | massmc | thanks babilen will try that |
| 18:20.29 | themill | babilen: (fyi, ~i not required as purging packages that aren't installed does nothing) |
| 18:20.36 | Delf | Do I have to logout or reboot? |
| 18:20.45 | AthomIk | i think existe evolution plugin for backup config, but not see in my evolution and pkg ? |
| 18:20.46 | Arrowmaster | shouldnt |
| 18:20.49 | Delf | Because it still asks me for password *pulls his. .. off* |
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| 18:21.20 | Arrowmaster | themill: didnt you say he already had sudo configured to not ask for a password? |
| 18:21.31 | babilen | themill: I am deeply influenced by the Zen of Python: "Explicit is better than implicit." But thanks for the note :) |
| 18:21.32 | themill | Arrowmaster: yeah. Does gconfd notice that the config changed? |
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| 18:21.57 | themill | babilen: absolutely. Just thinking "less line noise in the aptitude pattern" ;) |
| 18:22.21 | babilen | AthomIk: Sorry, I have problems to parse that sentence. |
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| 18:22.41 | babilen | themill: You mean less influence by the Zen of Perl? (ok, off-topic) ;) |
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| 18:22.56 | themill | !linetest |
| 18:22.57 | dpkg | You are connected t&%&ibp*l an error free line, themill. |
| 18:23.06 | babilen | hehe |
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| 18:23.41 | Delf | Oops! I just shat myself (quit wrong program) |
| 18:23.50 | themill | contemplates adding "also ask me about <aptitude search>" to that factoid |
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| 18:24.34 | Delf | rebooting |
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| 18:25.22 | themill | Arrowmaster: that command was for lenny anyway... nfc if it works with squeeze ... |
| 18:25.44 | Arrowmaster | it should |
| 18:25.45 | babilen | I really hope so. |
| 18:25.47 | _Dave123_ | !tell _Dave123_ -about pastebinit |
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| 18:25.59 | babilen | !tell _Dave123_ -about selftell |
| 18:26.06 | babilen | _Dave123_: ;) |
| 18:26.07 | Arrowmaster | the installer now does 'update-alternatives --set libgksu-gconf-defaults /usr/share/libgksu/debian/gconf-defaults.libgksu-sudo' |
| 18:26.16 | Arrowmaster | i remember when it used to have to create some polkit stuff |
| 18:26.23 | babilen | _Dave123_: I have the feeling you are going to ask a question :) |
| 18:26.35 | babilen | I get me something to drink ... |
| 18:26.47 | piercedwater | Does anyone have any news reader suggestions that will assemble binaries after downloading, that are cli besides brag? |
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| 18:27.00 | themill | Arrowmaster: hmm... would that be better to use than the gconf-tool command, I wonder. |
| 18:27.03 | AthomIk | babilen: yes, i am not a really anglish language master :) |
| 18:27.21 | Arrowmaster | themill: would that have any effect on an already existing user though? |
| 18:27.40 | babilen | themill: That would be a system wide change, whereas the gconf thing is user specfic. wouldn't it? |
| 18:27.43 | themill | nfc. The less I know about gconf the happier I tend to be. |
| 18:27.45 | AthomIk | babilen: i search for backup my evolution data, because if i touch to gnome..... |
| 18:27.47 | themill | babilen: yes |
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| 18:28.16 | Arrowmaster | well the installer does that when root doesnt have a password, which is why its a system wide change |
| 18:28.44 | babilen | Arrowmaster: Which is quite reasonable. I would prefer the gconf approach in almost all other situations. |
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| 18:34.57 | Delf | Guys, if you don't help me out getting rid of the password prompting thingy, I will self-destruct. |
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| 18:36.17 | themill | tick tock tick tock ... |
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| 18:36.48 | fignewman | Long time debian/sid user. I noticed about a month ago I've been seeing this every week or so from aptitude update - There are 697 newly obsolete packages. If I wait a little while and then do another update, everything's back. |
| 18:37.02 | Delf | themill: You e-VUL! |
| 18:37.05 | fignewman | Are the package lists being updated in a different way now such that there's a window where they're zero length? |
| 18:37.58 | Delf | Linux weren't "secure" before sudo? |
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| 18:39.11 | Delf | I have to run off now but I will be back, with the vengeance!! :P |
| 18:39.23 | AthomIk | babilen: what you think of this : at this time i protect my debian with a openbsd vm, my default host route is a vm ? |
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| 18:40.17 | babilen | Delf: Run "gconf-editor" open /apps/gksu and tick "sudo-mode" |
| 18:40.20 | burd | how safe is ntfs-3g for writing? Any known anomolies? |
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| 18:41.08 | babilen | AthomIk: I'll have a fag and will analyse that statement when I come back. |
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| 18:42.17 | jhutchins_lt | burd: At this point a little bit safer than writing to an NTFS filesystem with Windows. |
| 18:42.33 | izua | hey there, i reinstalled 7, now grub is gone. i tried using the recovery tool from the cd, but whenever i choose "shell into the system", then press continue, i get back to the 5-option menu. same happens for the second option, shell on live cd. if i choose the third one, grub reinstall, it simply fails. |
| 18:42.39 | babilen | Delf: But that should have been done by "gconftool-2 -t bool -s /apps/gksu/sudo-mode 1" -- If that doesn't help, destruct yourself |
| 18:43.17 | jhutchins_lt | burd: At the turn of the century there were a few rare, odd variations of NTFS that would blow up if linux wrote to them. Unfortunately, the only way to find out was to blow them up, so people made a big fuss over it. |
| 18:43.34 | izua | is there anything automated i can do, or do i have to resort to a gentoo install cd (which has a real shell as opposed to busybox), mnt the system, dev, sys and then chroot into it and update-grub? |
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| 18:44.27 | burd | jhutchins, thank you.. thats why i am asking because i tried messing with it years ago and just avoided it.. kind of in a pinch right now so wanted to make sure |
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| 18:45.14 | jhutchins_lt | Delf: No animated gif's, but you might be better off spending thirty minutes reading this than two hours in irc: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/ |
| 18:45.43 | justin_ | izua: just switch to tty2, tty3, etc. one of them contains a shell |
| 18:45.56 | justin_ | izua: you can mount the system and chroot into it just fine from busybox |
| 18:45.58 | izua | that's not a real shell. |
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| 18:46.24 | justin_ | what is a "real shell"? |
| 18:46.34 | izua | /bin/bash, usually, heh. |
| 18:46.50 | justin_ | for what you need it for, it is a "real shell" |
| 18:46.51 | izua | with a bunch of useful tools. like wpa_supplicant, nc, scp, etc. |
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| 18:47.14 | izua | meh. |
| 18:47.19 | izua | well it doesn't really work |
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| 18:47.31 | justin_ | why not? |
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| 18:47.44 | izua | and since i asume the automated tool does the same thing (mnt the partition, dev and sys to the /mnt/gentoo) it also fails |
| 18:47.53 | izua | whoops. i mean /target |
| 18:47.53 | gunknown | hi. i fired "cmd1; cmd2" in the shell. cmd1 is still running. Is there a possibility to remove the cmd2 command? |
| 18:48.13 | izua | i'm not really sure. something fails at chroot |
| 18:48.37 | izua | although i can access /target/bin/bash perfectly |
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| 18:49.13 | dkr | gunknown: mv cmd2 cmd2.disabled and then put it back after cmd1 finishes and cmd2 fails with command not found |
| 18:49.27 | km | how can i determine my ftp version? |
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| 18:50.07 | justin_ | km: your what? |
| 18:50.17 | gunknown | dkr, thanks, nice idea |
| 18:50.26 | justin_ | izua: so then the shell is not the problem |
| 18:50.33 | km | how to determine ftp client version#? |
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| 18:50.50 | izua | maybe, or maybe not. |
| 18:51.06 | izua | i can't be sure |
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| 18:51.16 | gunknown | km, which client? |
| 18:51.30 | km | default installed ftp |
| 18:51.50 | izua | so hm. maybe i should try a live cd |
| 18:51.54 | justin_ | km: why do you care? |
| 18:52.00 | gunknown | dpkg -l |grep ftp |
| 18:52.00 | dpkg | ii |grep ftp 3.5-14.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 18:52.09 | gunknown | km: dpkg -l |grep ftp |
| 18:52.17 | km | ok |
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| 18:53.14 | vooze | Hi, i get this error, and dont get any mails, i have now restartet postfix, should that help? |
| 18:53.29 | vooze | Feb 23 00:00:23 alpha postfix/smtpd[5263]: warning: problem talking to server 127.0.0.1:10023: Connection refused |
| 18:53.36 | vooze | Feb 23 00:00:24 alpha postfix/smtpd[5263]: warning: connect to 127.0.0.1:10023: Connection refused |
| 18:53.46 | dvs | !paste |
| 18:53.46 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 18:54.02 | vooze | dvs, it was 2 lines :) |
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| 18:54.06 | Bushmills | vooze: that's the port postgrey daemon listens to by default |
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| 18:54.32 | Bushmills | make sure it is installed and runs |
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| 18:55.06 | vooze | Bushmills, it is, have been running fine for a long time.. but around that date i just stopped getting emails |
| 18:55.18 | vooze | it just ** |
| 18:55.30 | Bushmills | well, postfix seems to disagree |
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| 18:56.06 | vooze | btw. is there a way to "restart" my mail.log.. its like 80k lines long |
| 18:56.45 | Bushmills | let logrotate deal with it, once a day |
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| 18:59.54 | jhutchins_lt | vooze: You should have logrotate installed and that should be taking care of it. |
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| 19:00.22 | vooze | okay thanks, guess i'll try that :P |
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| 19:02.28 | jhutchins_lt | vooze: If this is just something temporary because you just set something up or you don't leave it on 24/7 you can run logrotate -f /etc/logrotate.conf |
| 19:03.01 | babilen | anacron might come in handy if the system does not run 24/7 as well |
| 19:03.43 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: That's the default cron now, isn't it? |
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| 19:04.32 | justin_ | anacron is not a cron implementation |
| 19:04.46 | jhutchins_lt | justin_: Right, it's a duck. |
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| 19:05.17 | jelly-home | >o_/ |
| 19:05.25 | jhutchins_lt | I'm a bit baffled about how you'd end up with an mta and no logrotate. |
| 19:05.27 | dvs | it's a turducken! |
| 19:06.02 | babilen | or even a blinkenduck? |
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| 19:06.59 | mutante | donald cron and his nephews gui, mui and lui |
| 19:07.11 | izua | *headdesk* |
| 19:07.12 | ddilinger | is there something like `dpkg --clear-selections` that leaves me with a working system? i had this great idea to clean out my server, ran dpkg --clear-selections to bring it down to just the essential packages then dpkg --remove --pending .. but then i had to reinstall :) dont need it anymore, but curious |
| 19:07.34 | izua | turns out you can't run your 64 bit programs when running a 32 bit kernel >.> |
| 19:07.53 | izua | cpt. obvious to the rescue |
| 19:07.54 | dvs | ddilinger: aptitude can do it easily |
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| 19:08.05 | babilen | ddilinger: I would use aptitude to purge all installed packages of certain priorities (such as *not* essential, important, ..) |
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| 19:08.14 | jhutchins_lt | =============================================== |
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| 19:08.29 | jhutchins_lt | How these cats always manage to find the enter key... |
| 19:08.35 | dvs | heh |
| 19:08.56 | dvs | jhutchins_lt: yeah. I thought they'd go for the mouse. |
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| 19:09.51 | mutante | ddilinger: hmm, "--get-selections > file" and "--set-selections < file" at any given times, and the ability to edit the files alone or known to you but are not enough to do what you were planning? |
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| 19:13.18 | mutante | jhutchins_lt: heh!! i have tried to get somebody into making a free software version of "PawSense" for a long time. it's a windows app for cat-proofing your keyboard http://www.bitboost.com/pawsense/ |
| 19:13.46 | ddilinger | mutante: the server has been constantly dist-upgraded through many versions, i was trying to bring the package list down small again, i thought dpkg --clear-selections sounded like it would bring be back to close to a post-install package selection |
| 19:13.55 | babilen | ddilinger: See http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-priorities for the priorities, "aptitude purge '~i !~prequired !~pimportant !~pstandard'" seems to be a sensible command. But please double/triple/bazilionidble-check the packages that are going to be purged. |
| 19:13.57 | tensorpudding | is it dangerous to bind-mount /dev inside a chroot? |
| 19:14.13 | babilen | !tell ddilinger about aptitude search |
| 19:14.23 | jhutchins_lt | tensorpudding: Danger is relative. |
| 19:14.37 | tensorpudding | i'm running a different distro in the chroot, also... |
| 19:14.46 | simonrvn | ddilinger: no, it would wipe it out... |
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| 19:16.02 | mutante | ddilinger: when trying to clean up like that, these come to mind: "debfoster" and "deborphan". |
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| 19:18.25 | simonrvn | tensorpudding: usually no, but do be aware |
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| 19:22.31 | allure | does anyone another source for freenx debian packages since debianbase.de went offline? |
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| 19:22.58 | simonrvn | missing verb |
| 19:23.23 | tharkun | allure: hmm compiling from source is the best way i've found |
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| 19:23.43 | karsten-nr | simonrvn: missing verb confusing sentence |
| 19:23.51 | heddar-fr | hy , i'm looking for a light X11 manager very light ? |
| 19:23.59 | AthomIk | babilen: have you a good fag ? |
| 19:24.03 | allure | tharkun: yeah... might have to do that too :) |
| 19:24.06 | AthomIk | babilen: have you a good fag ? |
| 19:24.11 | babilen | AthomIk: I did, indeed :) |
| 19:24.12 | karsten-nr | simonrvn: And since love conquers all: "does anyone love another source ..." |
| 19:24.25 | dvs | coughs |
| 19:24.26 | simonrvn | karsten-nr: hehe |
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| 19:24.54 | karlpinc | heddar-fr: "manager"? How about lxde? |
| 19:25.00 | babilen | karsten-nr: this sentence a verb but completely wrong cheese |
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| 19:25.26 | tharkun | Gentlemen behave or at least share whatever you are smoking xD |
| 19:25.40 | heddar-fr | it's look like win7 :'( |
| 19:25.40 | simonrvn | smoking? |
| 19:25.44 | karsten-nr | babilen: This sentence tries to be self-referenctial but actually invokes another. |
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| 19:25.58 | jhutchins_lt | They spent two hours helping Delf. |
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| 19:26.16 | heddar-fr | karlpinc: it's look like win7 :'( |
| 19:26.35 | _pingu | ERROR: DBI connect('database=test;host=localhost','test',...) failed: Lost connection to MySQL server during query at /opt/bin/DB_HANDL.pm line 40 what could be the reason? |
| 19:26.41 | karsten-nr | allure: But, answering your question: no, I don't. GIYF. |
| 19:26.46 | _pingu | sorry, wron channel |
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| 19:27.24 | karsten-nr | allure: FreeNX and/or NX went proprietary. There's some stuff that turns up with 'aptitude search nx'. |
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| 19:27.40 | babilen | AthomIk: Need help or do you just wanted to ask if I had a good break? |
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| 19:28.25 | AthomIk | babilen: i have a lot of debian question, a lot.... |
| 19:28.36 | allure | karsten-nr: I cant find nxagent on aptitude anymore |
| 19:28.42 | allure | karsten-nr: only on older servers, for some reason |
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| 19:28.59 | simonrvn | _pingu: not using the packaged DBI |
| 19:29.35 | babilen | AthomIk: You have to start somewhere. Pick the most controversial! |
| 19:29.55 | simonrvn | oh great |
| 19:30.16 | karsten-nr | AthomIk: Actually: start by reading the FAQ, installation manual (if approrpiate), and admin guide. |
| 19:30.18 | simonrvn | . o O ( did i say that out loud? ) |
| 19:31.30 | AthomIk | karsten-nr: no problem, i am admin in my job, only have some problem with X because my server haven t X |
| 19:31.53 | simonrvn | uh |
| 19:33.03 | AthomIk | karsten-nr: read all the faq on google is a bad response |
| 19:34.45 | Bushmills | AthomIk: best way to deal with "unspecified problem" is: a: find cause of problem, b: fix it. |
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| 19:35.57 | simonrvn | "server" "X" "no X". i see several problems there... |
| 19:36.15 | babilen | AthomIk: So, you figured out the gdm problem? What was the underlying problem again? |
| 19:36.18 | allure | karsten-nr: found it... http://www.nomachine.com/download-package.php?Prod_Id=2520 still free |
| 19:36.27 | greedo | so cluster-glue conflicts with heartbeat in lenny |
| 19:36.50 | greedo | this is a problem |
| 19:37.09 | greedo | should I go with cluster-glue or heartbeat for lenny |
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| 19:37.53 | simonrvn | should go with squeeze ;p |
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| 19:43.52 | karsten-nr | allure: Sweet. |
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| 19:44.14 | karsten-nr | allure: FYI: /msg dpkg freenx |
| 19:44.19 | karsten-nr | !tell allure about freenx |
| 19:44.24 | karsten-nr | allure: ... does that help? |
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| 19:45.05 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 19:45.06 | simonrvn | the pain? |
| 19:45.18 | simonrvn | echan |
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| 19:45.41 | johnfg | I get an annoying message at boot about clamav being out of date, however, it's the latest version for lenny. |
| 19:46.01 | dvs | johnfg: sounds like you need volitile |
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| 19:46.07 | dvs | or volatile |
| 19:46.11 | johnfg | What's the version of clamav available for squeeze (so maybe for lenny in backports)? |
| 19:46.12 | jmd | Johnfg, Try updating to squeeze. |
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| 19:46.50 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions clamav |
| 19:46.51 | judd | Package clamav on i386 -- lenny: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; lenny-security: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; lenny-volatile: 0.96.5+dfsg-1~volatile1; squeeze: 0.96.5+dfsg-1.1; sid: 0.97+dfsg-1; wheezy: 0.97+dfsg-1 |
| 19:47.06 | johnfg | dvs, I do have volatile; and I'm running squeeze, too, but will continue with lenny. |
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| 19:47.17 | jhutchins_lt | clamav is useless though, it ignores several known windows viruses and can't remove them. |
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| 19:47.39 | johnfg | jhutchins_lt, So what do you recommend? |
| 19:47.45 | jhutchins_lt | avg |
| 19:47.56 | johnfg | free or commercial? |
| 19:48.03 | jhutchins_lt | They have a free version. |
| 19:48.19 | johnfg | I do run it on a winxp box. |
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| 19:49.57 | jmd | Johnfg You can have something free AND commercial. |
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| 19:50.33 | johnfg | jmd ? |
| 19:51.51 | jmd | johnfg, Some free software is also commercial. Similarly, some non-free software is also non-commercial. They are two orthogonal things. |
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| 19:52.22 | ddilinger | any applications for comparing the active file system against /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list, and telling me what things dont belong? |
| 19:52.38 | jmd | ddilinger, apt-get install cruft |
| 19:52.57 | ddilinger | jmd: that will also find stuff that was installed by hand, but ended up in /usr instead of /usr/local ? |
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| 19:53.33 | jmd | I think there are options for filtering things out in which you're not interested. |
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| 19:53.51 | ddilinger | jmd: cool. running it right now |
| 19:54.08 | jmd | It's a while since I used it thou' |
| 19:54.18 | tonsofpcs | How can I configure exim4 to handle mailboxes for users that do not have accounts on the system? Is it possible? (Is there a FAQ somewhere?) |
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| 19:55.02 | jmd | tonsofpcs, Try #exim |
| 19:55.17 | simonrvn | aka virtual users |
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| 19:56.22 | Ticho_ | hm, if there is a package upgrade available, is there a tool to view package changelog for the new version? |
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| 19:56.55 | simonrvn | !apt-listchanges |
| 19:56.55 | dpkg | apt-listchanges is probably a package that shows you the NEWS.Debian and/or the Debian changelogs for packages before upgrading them. It is well worth it for stable users, to see what is happening to their machines as they apply security fixes. It should be made _mandatory_ for users of testing and unstable. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listbugs>. |
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| 19:57.56 | dschoepe | Is it me, or does libhildonhelp0 on squeeze (arm) have broken dependencies? Trying to install it give me: "Depends: libgtkhtml3.14-19 (< 3.31) but 3.32.2-1 is to be installed.". The same thing happens with -t sid. |
| 19:58.04 | Ticho_ | simonrvn: thanks |
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| 19:58.47 | AthomIk | babilen: ok thk for all, i go out |
| 19:58.50 | jelly-home | dschoepe: pastebin the output of apt-cache policy libhildonhelp0 libgtkhtml3.14-19 |
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| 19:59.46 | Ticho_ | !d-d-a |
| 19:59.46 | dpkg | debian-devel-announce is an announcement list to which major Debian developments are posted. If you are running releases beyond <stable>, then YOU are part of the development process; it is your responsibility to read it (no excuses!) or risk missing important announcements. "mailx -s 'subscribe' debian-devel-announce-request@lists.debian.org < /dev/null" or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/ See also <apt-listchanges>. |
| 20:00.19 | jelly-home | dschoepe: it sounds as if you had a newer distro repo enabled in the past, possibly even installed something, and then removed it |
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| 20:00.35 | Schmorgluck | hello, I'm trying to get my Debian Squeeze to run with Iceweasel 3.6 or higher. Is there a way to achieve this? |
| 20:00.52 | dschoepe | jelly-home: http://dpaste.com/483547/ -- it seems I screwed up when trying to set up pinning |
| 20:00.58 | r3c4ll | Hi people, i have a Lenny installed in my laptop, i want to update it to Squeeze, what do you suggest me, update the sources.list and then update the system or install from zero.? |
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| 20:01.07 | babilen | Ticho_: "aptitude changelog PKG" and "less /usr/share/doc/PKG/changelog.Debian*" |
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| 20:01.44 | Ticho_ | babilen: E: Changelog download failed: 404 |
| 20:01.50 | jmd | r3c4ll, Interesting question. |
| 20:01.58 | jelly-home | dschoepe: squeeze is now "stable". Consider removing everything else but squeeze and fully upgrading the system. |
| 20:02.06 | babilen | Ticho_: What was the command exactly? |
| 20:02.09 | Tramp | !lenny->squeeze |
| 20:02.16 | Ticho_ | babilen: this is for a security upgrade of iceweasel - "aptitude changelog iceweasel" |
| 20:02.24 | jmd | Perhaps if you haven't done much local configuration, then a fresh install might be better. |
| 20:02.29 | jelly-home | dpkg, lenny->squeeze |
| 20:02.29 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <squeeze release notes>. |
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| 20:02.44 | Tramp | r3c4ll: ^^ |
| 20:02.49 | dschoepe | jelly-home: I actually installed squeeze and later added sid for a package I needed a newer version of. Is that in general a bad idea? |
| 20:02.57 | jelly-home | dschoepe: YES |
| 20:03.16 | jmd | dschoepe, You'll end up with all sid. |
| 20:03.19 | jelly-home | that, is a bad idea |
| 20:03.39 | jelly-home | dschoepe: /msg dpkg backports; /msg dpkg ssb |
| 20:04.02 | dschoepe | okay, will do, thanks |
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| 20:04.11 | jelly-home | dschoepe: mixing stable and any other repo not specifically made for stable is in general a bad idea |
| 20:04.15 | Schmorgluck | I've tried apt-pinning, but it didn't work correctly. Should I add explicit specifications for xulrunner-2.0 and libcairo2 in my /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 20:04.42 | jelly-home | !pinning |
| 20:04.42 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 20:05.15 | r3c4ll | jdm, i have A LOT of packages either servers like desktops apps... |
| 20:05.48 | r3c4ll | jdm including not debian packages (installations from sources) |
| 20:06.04 | Schmorgluck | for now, it is impossible to have a version of Iceweasel higher than 3.5.xx without using the experimental repositories |
| 20:06.30 | Schmorgluck | but it seems to be messed up |
| 20:06.41 | r3c4ll | jdm, like PostgreSQL, MySQL, Pinguino IDE, Metasploit, Fritzing, Google Earth, etc... :S :p |
| 20:06.49 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions iceweasel |
| 20:06.51 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-4; sid: 3.5.17-1; wheezy: 3.5.17-1; experimental: 4.0~b12-1 |
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| 20:07.33 | jhutchins_lt | Schmorgluck: I'm not sure mozilla has released a stable version of 3.6 |
| 20:07.47 | jcapinc | how do you set the sender, or "from" field in /bin/mail ? |
| 20:07.50 | Ticho_ | actually, iceweasel just got an update to 3.5.16-5 in squeeze's security repo :> |
| 20:08.00 | Ticho_ | jcapinc: try mail --help |
| 20:08.07 | jcapinc | that does not work |
| 20:08.09 | jmd | jcapinc, You don't. |
| 20:08.18 | jcapinc | then how do other programs do it? |
| 20:08.37 | Schmorgluck | I'd be perfectly happy with Iceweasel 3.6, but it has disappeared from the repositories. It used to be available, until Squeeze went out. |
| 20:08.59 | jmd | /bin/mail is a mail user agent. The mail transport agent sets the from address. |
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| 20:09.50 | Schmorgluck | I'm not looking for a stable version of Iceweasel, I'm looking for a version that can run the XForms extension |
| 20:09.53 | daemonkeeper | Schmorgluck: Developers decided to switch to 4.0 directly. You can, however, still get 3.6. from Iceweasel maintainers. http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 20:11.19 | jhutchins_lt | Schmorgluck: "stable" in this case means "doesn't crash and screw up your system". |
| 20:11.41 | r3c4ll | Hi people, i have a Lenny installed in my laptop, i want to update it to Squeeze, what do you suggest me, update the sources.list and then update the system or install from zero.? |
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| 20:12.35 | simonrvn | !lenny->squeeze |
| 20:12.54 | Schmorgluck | dpkg, lenny->squeeze |
| 20:12.55 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <squeeze release notes>. |
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| 20:13.11 | andriijas | how do i get mp3 support in debian |
| 20:13.17 | Odaym | i am on a virtual machine running Debian Squeeze, and i need to install a mail client on that machine for it to be a mail server |
| 20:13.27 | Odaym | the client is Zimbra |
| 20:13.35 | Odaym | and the site offers it for Debian 5, in .tgz format |
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| 20:13.42 | simonrvn | dumb -> bug again |
| 20:13.53 | Odaym | first of all, it should work on Squeeze, shouldn't it? |
| 20:14.00 | dkr | !tell andriijas about dmm |
| 20:14.06 | Schmorgluck | andriijas, I think you should start by enabling the non-free repositories. |
| 20:14.06 | Odaym | second, when i untar, i ./configure make and make install? |
| 20:14.20 | _Dave123_ | I'm wanting to install unrar (non-free) |
| 20:14.28 | _Dave123_ | I have added this line to my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:14.34 | accel | windows-xp can install packages in paralle; why can't apt-get look at the directed acyclic graph, realize which pacakges can be installed in parallel, and do it over all 8 of my CPUs ? |
| 20:14.37 | _Dave123_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.39 | _Dave123_ | is this enough? |
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| 20:16.33 | DimitryKakadu | http://paste.org.ru/?gfeboe |
| 20:16.55 | DimitryKakadu | welcome any ideas about howto installl nvidia drivers in debian wheezy |
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| 20:25.14 | Odaym | i am on a virtual machine running debian squeeze, and i want to install that file on it to make it a mail server client. But i know that installing a mail client on a machine will not make it a mail server.. |
| 20:25.20 | Odaym | how do i go about doing that? |
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| 20:35.02 | thewanderer1 | Odaym: you got it wrong somewhere I guess... |
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| 20:35.24 | thewanderer1 | well, you need to set up a mail server and connect your client to it |
| 20:35.27 | Odaym | i haven't done anything yet to get it wrong, the above is just an assumption |
| 20:35.40 | Odaym | i have this how-to, http://www.howtoforge.com/zimbra-collaboration-suite-5.0-on-debian-etch |
| 20:35.48 | thewanderer1 | Etch is ripe old |
| 20:35.54 | nvz | ooo.. debian etch.. |
| 20:35.55 | Odaym | but i dont know what to replace "server1.example.com" with |
| 20:36.06 | thewanderer1 | workaround.org has really nice Debian howtos for mail servers you know |
| 20:36.38 | Odaym | i get that i have to replace it with my server hostname |
| 20:36.44 | jhutchins_lt | Odaym: Do you have a registered domain for this server? |
| 20:36.51 | nvz | I've avoided mailservers as much as possible.. thank $DIETY for gmail.. heh |
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| 20:37.10 | Odaym | hmm |
| 20:37.16 | Odaym | i dont understand the question |
| 20:37.17 | jhutchins_lt | nvz: Oh come now, hand-carving a sendmail.cf is fun!! |
| 20:37.27 | Odaym | i just want Zimbra to run on the virtual machine im connected to |
| 20:38.10 | allure | karsten-nr: sorry I took long, I'm at work. Actually, it is already working. All you have to do is to download the three debs from the link I showed you before and dpkg -i *.deb :) |
| 20:38.24 | Odaym | i should replace server.example.com in that how-to , with my server hostname, how do i get my hostname? |
| 20:38.28 | Odaym | is it the name of the machine i'm on? |
| 20:38.33 | thewanderer1 | funny how howtoforge crashes Chromium on Debian... |
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| 20:39.49 | jhutchins_lt | Odaym: Yes, the fqdn |
| 20:40.12 | Odaym | hostname and hostname -f both produce only "bach" |
| 20:40.16 | Odaym | the machine's name |
| 20:40.27 | Odaym | i will suppose it's the fqdn? |
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| 20:40.56 | jhutchins_lt | Odaym: You can invent your own domain name, but if you're going to interact with the rest of the world it's best to register one. |
| 20:41.37 | jhutchins_lt | Odaym: <hostname>.<domain>.<tld> |
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| 20:41.46 | jelly-home | Odaym: if you plan or receiving mail with your MTA, you'll require a proper FQDN. |
| 20:41.58 | Odaym | this is just testing |
| 20:42.03 | Odaym | before i install on an actual machine |
| 20:42.09 | jhutchins_lt | Odaym: Then you can just make something up. |
| 20:42.09 | Odaym | but yes i understand what you mean |
| 20:42.46 | jhutchins_lt | Odaym: <hostname>.<domain>.<tld> == Fully Qualified Domain Name (fqdn) |
| 20:42.57 | Odaym | yea i know that from crappy MCSE |
| 20:43.02 | Odaym | one of the few things that stuck |
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| 20:47.20 | geekbri | if i edit a VM's .xml file, does anybody knwo if you need to reload that file somehow or if virsh will automatically use the new settings when the VM is started up again? |
| 20:47.44 | Odaym | i can use any DNS right? |
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| 20:47.56 | Odaym | even the google one, 10.10.10.something? |
| 20:48.19 | Odaym | ah, 8.8.8.8 |
| 20:48.25 | geekbri | and also 8.8.4.4 |
| 20:48.52 | daemonkeeper | You can not use "any" DNS, but any DNS resolving on your behalf. |
| 20:49.37 | Odaym | when i entered "apt-get remove --purge exim4 exim4-base exim4-config exim4-daemon-light", it said that 24 MB will be used, and i set up something with mail..because the howto said "Deinstall Exim - Zimbra comes with it's own mailserver." |
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| 20:49.53 | Odaym | how come i am removing something and being asked to set something up or..add new data.. |
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| 20:51.09 | Some_Person | Is there any way to stop Alt+Click from moving the Window in one application? |
| 20:51.24 | thewanderer1 | geekbri: it will use the file upon next VM start in libvirt if you edited it with 'virsh edit' |
| 20:51.52 | thewanderer1 | Some_Person: you can set this globally, in KDE and GNOME |
| 20:52.32 | Some_Person | thewanderer1: Yeah, but the problem is that there's this one game I play often that uses that shortcut, but GNOME takes it over. But this is a small netbook, so I can't turn it off globally |
| 20:52.38 | geekbri | thewanderer1, lets say hypothetically i didn't realize there was a virsh edit and i just manually edited the file... :) I tried to do "define /var/run/libvirt/qemu/fcdc.xml but it just said "failed to define domain from <file> internal error incorrect root element" |
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| 20:53.15 | Some_Person | ideas? |
| 20:53.16 | thewanderer1 | Some_Person: you can assign Meta ("Windows key") instead of Alt |
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| 20:53.44 | Some_Person | thewanderer1: Will that affect other things than just alt+click? |
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| 20:54.06 | thewanderer1 | no, it only maps the window move key to Meta instead of Alt |
| 20:54.24 | Some_Person | cool, thanks |
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| 20:55.12 | thewanderer1 | geekbri: aww... maybe you've messed that up? :P |
| 20:55.24 | geekbri | thewanderer1, forget it, ill just redo the edits using virsh edit :) doesn't virsh edit respect the EDITOR env variable do you know? |
| 20:55.42 | thewanderer1 | geekbri: it does |
| 20:55.53 | geekbri | thewanderer1, thanks... your good at this :) |
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| 21:02.35 | konsument | Hello |
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| 21:03.21 | lxs-makoto | ohai. I've just installed the package "terminatorx" on my laptop, should there be a menu entry automatically added to the fluxbox menu? |
| 21:03.24 | konsument | I copied the content of the Debian Live ISO file to an empty partition and tried to boot it with grub2. Unfortunately it sais "Loading, please wait..." and after a while a red-colored ASCII-art Debian icon shows with the text "BOOT FAILED!" |
| 21:03.28 | konsument | what did I do wring? |
| 21:03.41 | konsument | *o |
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| 21:05.38 | blast_hardcheese | Weird problem; I can dig a host defined by dnsmasq, (I've got named static entries) but I can't ping the host |
| 21:05.47 | rioch | I tried to install a .deb I downloaded and there were unmet dependencies. Now when I try to install something from the repos, that unmet dependency is still there as if the package I downloaded is in some kind of queue to be installed. How can I tell apt that I've changed my mind and don't want to install it> |
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| 21:05.51 | blast_hardcheese | This is on a wheezy/sid box. |
| 21:06.07 | blast_hardcheese | rioch: aptitude purge <packagename> should do the trick |
| 21:06.34 | thewanderer1 | blast_hardcheese: maybe they're refusing pings? |
| 21:06.47 | blast_hardcheese | thewanderer1: Nope, "unknown host" |
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| 21:07.01 | Gijs | Hello people, i want to make a console in php for a game, so i can enter any commands or watch the output online, but i will need to install something and i need to run the game with this program, but my question is wich program? |
| 21:07.05 | rioch | blast_hardcheese: I'm confused why it didn't leave my system in the original state when dependencies weren't met. |
| 21:07.19 | rioch | blast_hardcheese: nevertheless, that fixed it :) |
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| 21:07.31 | thewanderer1 | blast_hardcheese: wait, this has been a common problem recently... can you ping *anything* by name? |
| 21:07.36 | izua | hm |
| 21:07.51 | blast_hardcheese | thewanderer1: Yes, and I just realized it's localized to dnsmasq CNAMEs |
| 21:08.06 | blast_hardcheese | because I can ping the boxes by their fqdn, test.priv |
| 21:08.10 | izua | weird thing happens, whenever i launch an app from gnome's panel, i get some weird lines on the display, as if the graphic card is failing |
| 21:08.14 | blast_hardcheese | priv is the local domain |
| 21:08.19 | izua | this only happens when launching stuff from the panel though |
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| 21:08.31 | thewanderer1 | blast_hardcheese: oh. so dig is resolving this differently than ping? |
| 21:08.36 | blast_hardcheese | thewanderer1: yes |
| 21:08.48 | izua | using i915 for the gpu, on a k52f laptop |
| 21:08.55 | thewanderer1 | I'm aware they used different libraries, but didn't know they also worked differently |
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| 21:09.09 | phaidros | I installed sensors-applet in squeeze but cannot find it in the panels menu to add applets .. I wonder :) |
| 21:09.23 | blast_hardcheese | I can `dig apt` which returns apt cname test1; test1 A 10.0.0.35 |
| 21:09.30 | blast_hardcheese | but if I try to ping apt I get an unknown host |
| 21:09.52 | thewanderer1 | so probably your ping's resolver doesn't support proper CNAME resolution |
| 21:09.58 | blast_hardcheese | bleh |
| 21:10.16 | thewanderer1 | say, did you set your search domain in resolv.conf? |
| 21:10.34 | blast_hardcheese | thewanderer1: Autopopulated by dnsmasq, yes |
| 21:10.56 | thewanderer1 | do things like netcat work? |
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| 21:11.02 | blast_hardcheese | (although I don't fully understand resolv.conf management, dhclient clobbers it, which sucks) |
| 21:11.04 | blast_hardcheese | I'll try |
| 21:11.30 | blast_hardcheese | wget can't resolve it |
| 21:11.32 | thewanderer1 | I think you might need to enable an option in dnsmasq to automatically translate shorthand names to fqdn's |
| 21:11.41 | blast_hardcheese | Hmm. |
| 21:12.13 | Delf | Alright, when I start gconfig-editor from terminal without sudo -i. It shows that sudo-mode is not ticked. |
| 21:12.22 | blast_hardcheese | thewanderer1: But I can't even ping apt.priv |
| 21:12.27 | Delf | But when I start it with sudo -i, it shows me that it's ticked. What the hell? |
| 21:13.11 | blast_hardcheese | Also, it seems shorthand names resolve |
| 21:13.14 | blast_hardcheese | ie: I can ping test |
| 21:13.30 | thewanderer1 | you mean test1? |
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| 21:13.46 | blast_hardcheese | Yes, I can ping test1 and test1.priv |
| 21:13.52 | blast_hardcheese | they both resolve to the same box |
| 21:14.26 | thewanderer1 | blast_hardcheese: what do you get when you call `getent hosts test1.priv` and what does `getent hosts apt.priv` yield? |
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| 21:14.42 | ragnar76 | hi all |
| 21:15.24 | blast_hardcheese | thewanderer1: test1 gives the IP and fqdn, apt.priv returns nothing |
| 21:15.31 | blast_hardcheese | neither does apt |
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| 21:16.34 | thewanderer1 | okay, well, are you sure that this CNAME is correct at all? |
| 21:16.49 | thewanderer1 | I thought CNAME needed to have an FQDN as the target |
| 21:16.49 | blast_hardcheese | dig does resolve the IP, so I'd expect so |
| 21:17.07 | thewanderer1 | dig only resolves the zone record |
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| 21:17.18 | thewanderer1 | it doesn't follow the resolution chain |
| 21:17.33 | blast_hardcheese | http://blast.hardchee.se/pnopaste/?73 |
| 21:17.58 | thewanderer1 | yes, I see |
| 21:18.54 | arumaniac | Does anyone imagine why mplayer and all applications to play sound stop playing without any error or warning? |
| 21:19.02 | thewanderer1 | try using "apt cname test1.priv" instead of just test1 as the CNAME destination |
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| 21:19.50 | blast_hardcheese | Tried that as well, didn't have an effect |
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| 21:23.04 | blast_hardcheese | Actually, I'll enable "log queries" in dnsmasq |
| 21:23.10 | blast_hardcheese | maybe that'll help track this down |
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| 21:29.40 | disaster37 | hi all |
| 21:30.05 | disaster37 | you know if LSI megaraid 9211 is good supported by debian ? |
| 21:30.16 | disaster37 | and it's hardware raid ? |
| 21:30.17 | babilen | !tell disaster37 -about hcl |
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| 21:33.39 | lxs-makoto | hai. I've just installed the package "terminatorx" on my lenny, should there be a menu entry automatically added to the fluxbox menu? |
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| 21:36.03 | disaster37 | hum I don't found any information about raid controller SAS |
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| 21:36.31 | jhutchins_lt | disaster37: Then it is up to you to determine if it works and report it to the hcl. |
| 21:37.03 | disaster37 | I have not this controller |
| 21:37.13 | disaster37 | I look if Y buy or not |
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| 21:38.16 | jhutchins_lt | disaster37: As someone just said, irc is just a google front end with more insults. |
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| 21:38.58 | PF | hahahah |
| 21:39.00 | jhutchins_lt | disaster37: You can check the manufacturer's web site for linux support. |
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| 21:39.55 | Odaym | a wget download has stopped..it just hangs there |
| 21:40.02 | Odaym | what could be the reason? |
| 21:40.08 | Odaym | faintest idea? |
| 21:40.10 | jhutchins_lt | Odaym: Full disk. |
| 21:40.16 | PF | network congestion |
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| 21:40.21 | blast_hardcheese | Sun spots |
| 21:40.23 | Odaym | hmm |
| 21:40.30 | Odaym | I'm on a virtual machine also |
| 21:40.44 | jhutchins_lt | Odaym: Bad virtualization. |
| 21:40.46 | Odaym | but no idea if you can set its HDD to 500 or 200 MB, which is what i've got down so far |
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| 21:40.57 | PF | Sun spots are the cause of all the worlds issues |
| 21:40.58 | Odaym | so full disk is unlikely |
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| 21:41.15 | blast_hardcheese | Odaym: Untrue. Backround wget and type df -h |
| 21:41.35 | Odaym | i background it with &? |
| 21:41.35 | jhutchins_lt | Odaym: Full disk on source server. |
| 21:41.40 | PF | When in doubt, blame it on "Sun spots" |
| 21:41.55 | blast_hardcheese | Odaym: Oh, then just look at the results of df -h |
| 21:42.02 | jhutchins_lt | Odaym: Ctrl Z |
| 21:42.26 | jhutchins_lt | Odaym: Rats knawing on the intertubes |
| 21:42.44 | Odaym | i feel like like a DUM DUM DUUUM sound is imminent |
| 21:42.56 | jhutchins_lt | Odaym: Backhoe |
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| 21:43.02 | blast_hardcheese | DUM DUM DUUUM |
| 21:43.09 | Odaym | i must have killed it |
| 21:43.13 | Odaym | wont ctrl + z |
| 21:43.20 | Odaym | wait |
| 21:43.22 | Odaym | the speed is shifting |
| 21:43.31 | Odaym | i think it's still alive |
| 21:43.33 | blast_hardcheese | type jobs |
| 21:43.39 | blast_hardcheese | see if you're in a shell |
| 21:43.40 | PF | query for the PID |
| 21:43.41 | Odaym | going from 292 to 297 and 295 again |
| 21:44.05 | disaster37 | Adaptec only support this produc for redHat and suse |
| 21:44.41 | PF | Adaptec is pretty well supported |
| 21:45.04 | Odaym | i can't, since it wont ctrl + z, it's the main process running in the foreground |
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| 21:45.13 | babilen | disaster37: It is safe to assume that it is supported in Debian then as well. Unless they provide some redhat/suse specific kernel module that is not in the standard kernel and is not installable on Debian. |
| 21:45.14 | Odaym | and to ssh to the same machine through a different terminal, i can;t |
| 21:45.48 | Odaym | ok i can ssh to it from root |
| 21:45.53 | Odaym | ah it walks agin |
| 21:46.00 | Odaym | maybe just needed a nudge..? |
| 21:46.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | fg |
| 21:46.04 | babilen | disaster37: I would try it. You can return it if it doesn't work. But I would be surprised if you can't find it in kmuto's HCL or at least some discussions on the interwebs |
| 21:46.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | oops |
| 21:46.17 | PF | Odaym: For what it's worth....Hardware support is a kernel function, not a Distro. function |
| 21:46.23 | Odaym | i have 4GB |
| 21:46.38 | Odaym | ok its running again |
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| 21:47.08 | Odaym | thank you |
| 21:47.13 | eli_ | hi guys, Im using gnome 2.3 with debian 6. would like to remove epiphany and empathy! When I type 'aptitude remove empathy' I got this error message 'gnome-desktop-environment: Depends: empathy (>= 2.30) but it is not going to be installed' what does it mean? could I still remove it with out getting error/problems in the future? |
| 21:47.16 | Odaym | for... |
| 21:47.32 | jhutchins_lt | PF: Yeah, but manufacturers will provide distro-specific binary drivers. |
| 21:48.16 | PF | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.52 | jhutchins_lt | eli_: Why do you think you want to remove it? |
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| 21:49.35 | blast_hardcheese | thewanderer1: Ugh. Disabling the domain made the cnames work fine. |
| 21:49.52 | blast_hardcheese | Guru meditation error, anyway thanks for the help |
| 21:50.06 | lxs-makoto | I installed the package "terminatorx" on my lenny almost an hour ago, should there be a menu entry automatically added to the fluxbox menu? |
| 21:50.10 | ragnar76 | ahhhh amiga :o( |
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| 21:50.17 | eli_ | Im gonna use pidgin instead |
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| 21:50.38 | eli_ | and use chromium instead of epiphany-browser |
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| 21:50.46 | Odaym | great |
| 21:51.10 | blast_hardcheese | Epiphany is very confusing. |
| 21:51.16 | Odaym | yea |
| 21:51.20 | blast_hardcheese | And poorly named. |
| 21:51.25 | Odaym | AND ugly |
| 21:51.29 | gnugr | lol |
| 21:51.35 | blast_hardcheese | The epiphany is when you realize it's crap and switch to something else |
| 21:51.40 | gnugr | try iceweasel |
| 21:51.44 | babilen | !tell eli_ -about unmarkauto |
| 21:52.16 | babilen | eli_: I would recommend to install one of the smaller metapackages (gnome-session/gnome-core) and "aptitude unmarkauto PKG" additional packages you want to keep. |
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| 21:53.19 | babilen | eli_: See, for example, http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/12/msg00450.html for a short description of the metapackages available. I also don't quite understand why you have to remove epiphany in order to use chromium |
| 21:53.42 | lxs-makoto | does terminator put in a menu entry automatically? |
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| 21:54.10 | mrkiko | Hi all! can someone tell me how can I manage an upnp / igd compliant router from Linux Console? |
| 21:54.18 | mrkiko | Sorry for my rudeness ... :D |
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| 21:54.36 | blast_hardcheese | err... |
| 21:54.37 | eli_ | so could I type 'unmarkauto gnome'? and this would ignore removing parts of gnome packages as epiphany and others? |
| 21:55.05 | catsup | mrkiko: i'm a bit out of date on this but the last i checked, none of the good upnp management software was in the debian distribution, so i had to install it manually |
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| 21:55.09 | babilen | eli_: No, the gnome metapackage is removed because you remove one of its dependencies (epiphany) |
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| 21:55.34 | catsup | mrkiko: if you don't find what you need with apt-cache, do check sourceforge. the software is out there. |
| 21:55.53 | catsup | mrkiko: oh, i just searched, apt-cache has way more than it did before |
| 21:55.58 | mrkiko | catsup: I googled until now... do you remember the name? |
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| 21:56.19 | mrkiko | catsup: for me manual installation is not a problem - even because being blind I won't face the web pages of that router :D |
| 21:56.22 | |_ | hi |
| 21:56.44 | eli_ | ok could you give me a practical advice how to resolve my problem? |
| 21:56.46 | babilen | eli_: And the gnome metapackage is the only reason why a bunch of other packages (in fact all those that are removed when you epiphany) are installed. aptitude does not see a reason to keep them, so you have to tell it explicitly (with unmarkauto) that you want to keep them. I would recommend installing one of the lighter metapckages (like gnome-session or gnome-core) and "aptitude unmarkauto" all the packages you want to keep |
| 21:57.30 | mrkiko | catsup: maybe the libupnp contain some tools? :D |
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| 21:58.52 | jbwiv_ | I'm trying to track down a performance problem on a particular debian vm. it runs on a pretty powerful host system, and I don't see cpu or memory problems. However, the ruby process on it is very slow to respond. When I strace it, I see this (http://pastie.org/1653239). Would this indicate it's waiting on IO? I suspect the problem might be that the underlying SAN is overloaded, but need to understand this strace output. |
| 21:59.34 | catsup | mrkiko: oddly, most hits for upnp are for upnp-enabled gateway devices, as opposed to upnp clients. i had luck using this tool for simple port forwarding: http://miniupnp.free.fr/ |
| 21:59.38 | eli_ | ok I will keep epiphany and empathy for now on since the solution was not quite easy as I thought, Il try to remove them later instead |
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| 21:59.52 | jhutchins_lt | jbwiv_: I have no specific knowledge of this situation, but can recommend iostats from the sysstats package for looking for bottlenecks. |
| 21:59.54 | Odaym | i get this when untarring a .tgz file.. "gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file |
| 21:59.54 | Odaym | tar: Unexpected EOF in archive |
| 21:59.54 | Odaym | " |
| 22:00.03 | Odaym | "tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 22:00.04 | Odaym | "! |
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| 22:00.08 | catsup | mrkiko: there was another tool that i used as well but i'm afraid i've forgotten what it was |
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| 22:00.19 | gnarface | hey where did the option for disabling javascript, java and web plugins go in icedove? |
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| 22:00.41 | mrkiko | catsup: looking. Yes - I need only simple port forwarding infact |
| 22:00.50 | jhutchins_lt | Odaym: What do you suppose that means? |
| 22:01.01 | Odaym | no idea |
| 22:01.08 | Odaym | why is there an EOF in there? |
| 22:01.17 | catsup | mrkiko: in that case, the software at that link should do you well |
| 22:01.49 | Odaym | NEWMAN! *clenches fist* |
| 22:02.13 | catsup | Odaym: it probably means the file isn't completely downloaded |
| 22:02.22 | mrkiko | catsup: downloading and compiling it right now. |
| 22:02.23 | jhutchins_lt | Odaym: Downloading, downloading, downloading, oops, network glitch, end-of-file. |
| 22:02.29 | Odaym | aha! |
| 22:02.33 | babilen | eli_: Sorry, I can't really make it easier. I would: "aptitude install gnome-session" and "aptitude unmarkauto PKG1...PKGN" where PKG1...PKGN is the list of packages that you want to keep. If you need suggestions on which packages to keep, or which are best suited for unmarkauto just ask in here and give the output of the "aptitude remove epiphany-browser" command. |
| 22:02.34 | Odaym | so that glitch didnt come with no cost |
| 22:02.37 | jbwiv_ | jhutchins_lt, ok, I've added iostat output (http://pastie.org/1653256). I'll start researching what this means, but if you see anything obvious, let me know ;) |
| 22:02.41 | Odaym | sob! |
| 22:02.42 | Odaym | ok |
| 22:02.59 | jhutchins_lt | Odaym: If you can find an md5sum for the original file you can check. |
| 22:03.07 | jhutchins_lt | Odaym: Some programs will resume a download too. |
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| 22:03.54 | jhutchins_lt | jbwiv_: Do a repeating iostat, start the ruby process and watch. |
| 22:04.16 | gnarface | can't i still disable javascript in icedove? |
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| 22:04.54 | Odaym | ok i got the md5 file |
| 22:04.58 | Odaym | it's .md5 |
| 22:05.01 | eli_ | babilen: ok I will install gnome-session and I would like to keep all the default gnome app,but would like to remove epiphany-browser and empathy |
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| 22:05.43 | eli_ | which packages should I give as parameters for the aptitude unmarkauto command? |
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| 22:05.51 | Odaym | i ..untar it? |
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| 22:06.16 | gnarface | Odaym: i'm guessing that is actually a plain text file. i would cat it |
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| 22:06.23 | Odaym | it's .md5 at the end |
| 22:07.02 | jhutchins_lt | Odaym: that's usually a text file with one or more filename/md5sum lines. |
| 22:07.16 | Delf | babilen! Welcome back. Are you up for helping me? |
| 22:07.17 | gnarface | Odaym: linux doesn't have a system-level control for file types that is hooked on the file extension. it doesn't care, FYI that's just a naming convention for your convenience nothing more |
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| 22:07.27 | Odaym | aah |
| 22:07.30 | Odaym | thought so oto |
| 22:07.34 | Odaym | i will remove it and untar |
| 22:07.36 | Odaym | well, rename |
| 22:07.43 | Odaym | i got the md5 for the file i have downloaded |
| 22:07.45 | jbwiv_ | jhutchins_lt, I added a sequence of calls to iostat -x (http://pastie.org/1653256). This occurred during an HTTP request that was incredibly slow. I did it from start to finish. Notice the values don't really change much, but nor do they at the CPU level. very odd |
| 22:07.47 | Odaym | now to see the other and compare |
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| 22:09.20 | tgies | dumb question, but i'm not really a GNOME user so i don't know enough about this -- is there a way to apply a different appearance for a particular app? |
| 22:09.31 | jbwiv_ | does anyone know of any utilities that put the various system bottlenecks (CPU, memory, and IO) through a series of test and report on the performance of each? |
| 22:09.38 | Delf | Oh god.. |
| 22:09.46 | tgies | i use a dark theme s.t. text input areas have a dark background but that makes certain websites look stupid and i don't want to apply it to iceweasel |
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| 22:11.19 | babilen | eli_: One way to achieve that would be to run: aptitude unmarkauto '?reverse-depends(^gnome$)' -- That marks all the dependencies of the "gnome" package as manually installed. They will therefore not be automatically removed and you can safely remove "gnome" and all other packages. |
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| 22:11.27 | babilen | eli_: I typically try to have a slim system and install only the packages I needed. You approach is to install everyhting and remove what you don't want. My approach would therefore be to just make sure that the bare essentials for Gnome are installed. (by installing gnome-session) and installing/unmarkautoing selected packages of which I am sure that I want them installed. |
| 22:11.34 | babilen | Both are sound approaches, I just wanted you to understand what you do |
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| 22:11.49 | babilen | eli_: (just got disconnected, wasn't sure if you got those messages) |
| 22:12.13 | tgies | nm i'm dumb i just realized iceweasel has its own settings for colors |
| 22:12.33 | Odaym | there was a command that can let you run a certain previous command from "history" through its ID |
| 22:12.45 | Odaym | !74? |
| 22:12.48 | nvz | Odaym: yes |
| 22:12.48 | Odaym | or something? |
| 22:12.52 | Odaym | alright |
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| 22:13.13 | Odaym | downloading again |
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| 22:13.19 | Odaym | BUT WHO CARES! it's 350 K |
| 22:13.21 | Odaym | haha |
| 22:13.24 | eli_ | I too would like to keep the essential part of gnome but the problem is that they where installed with debian 6 when I chose gnome as desktop manager |
| 22:13.32 | Delf | babilen: Welcome back. Are you having connection problems? |
| 22:13.35 | tgies | ...aaand they don't work; use system colors is unchecked but it still uses them. crud |
| 22:14.05 | babilen | eli_: Yes. The problem you are facing is common. |
| 22:14.10 | eli_ | babilen: so you suggest that installing debian without gnome and then installing gnome session and all the packages that I know I would use. did I got it right? |
| 22:14.35 | gnarface | eli_: that's more or less what i do, minus the installing anything to do with gnome |
| 22:14.48 | babilen | eli_: That is what I am doing, yes. (Apart from the fact that I don't use Gnome itself, just a bunch of gnome-applications) |
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| 22:15.32 | gnarface | Odaym: did you figure out how to check the md5sum of that tar you downloaded? |
| 22:15.35 | eli_ | okej, could I just remove the gnome meta package and reinstall as you guys suggested? |
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| 22:15.37 | babilen | eli_: The installer just installs the heavy "gnome" metapackage, which depends on software i'll never use. |
| 22:16.00 | Odaym | no, when i renamed it to just .tgz by removing the .md5 and tried to untar, said it wasnt in gzip format |
| 22:16.34 | babilen | eli_: Sure, but note that you'll lose gnome in the process. I would therefore take the: "1. Install gnome-session and 2. aptitude unmarkauto selected packages" approach |
| 22:16.42 | Odaym | eh! it's not on my hands anymore, their servers are hanging |
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| 22:16.48 | nvz | Odaym: use file, changing filenames means nothing.. |
| 22:16.52 | Odaym | Y U NO INSTALL ZIMBRA! |
| 22:16.59 | Odaym | cause your connection is hanging |
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| 22:17.32 | Odaym | and it's soo slooooow when SSH'ed to the server |
| 22:17.37 | Odaym | even typing out a command takes years |
| 22:17.45 | gnarface | Odaym: what you do is cat [filename].md5, and you will see there's plainly text |
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| 22:17.48 | Odaym | let alone catting a big file or something like that |
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| 22:18.28 | gnarface | Odaym: then you compare that md5 in the text to the output of md5sum [other_filename].tgz and you |
| 22:18.33 | gnarface | know whether its good or not |
| 22:18.35 | eli_ | babilen: losing gnome for a while is ok since I know how to use aptitude from the command line. would the solution to first remove gnome and then installing gnome-session still be a bad choice for me? |
| 22:18.46 | Odaym | yep |
| 22:18.47 | Odaym | it is NOT |
| 22:18.54 | gnarface | bad news |
| 22:18.54 | Odaym | it was corrupted along the way from those glitches |
| 22:19.03 | Odaym | which wont stop, even now when i've restarted download |
| 22:19.13 | gnarface | alternate connection options? |
| 22:19.21 | gnarface | sneakernet? |
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| 22:19.29 | Odaym | the server i'm SSH'ed to is in madrid, and i'm there on a virtual machine |
| 22:19.34 | Odaym | it's all the room i can play with |
| 22:19.43 | gnarface | you're using ssh to transfer the files? |
| 22:19.53 | Odaym | using ssh and wgetting from the command line there |
| 22:20.04 | Odaym | to make use of their connection |
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| 22:20.12 | Odaym | it's a 500+ MB file |
| 22:20.25 | gnarface | unfortunately http isn't known for fault tolerance |
| 22:20.48 | Odaym | so it is out of my hands at this point? |
| 22:20.50 | babilen | eli_: Sure, that'll work. I just don't see the need for it, given that you have those packages installed already and that a "aptitude install gnome-session" "aptitude unmarkauto PKG1...PKG2" "aptitude remove gnome" has the same effect as "aptitude remove gnome" "aptitude install gnome-session PKG2...PKGN" *except* for the fact that you don't remove the parts of gnome you are currently using. |
| 22:20.50 | Odaym | yea? :) |
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| 22:21.02 | gnarface | Odaym: well you could download the file locally then scp it up to the server over ssh |
| 22:21.19 | Odaym | you're talking about 500MB+ ..even typing ls takes 1 second sometimes |
| 22:21.39 | Zao | Odaym: Copy out chunks of the file, make checksums for each part, then retransfer the ones that mismatch, and copy them back in when succeeding with a transfer. |
| 22:21.49 | Zao | Odaym: Or put the file on an USB stick and throw it. |
| 22:21.55 | gnarface | Odaym: that would take a lot longer but probably reduce the likelyhood of the file getting corrupted in-transit... and don't confuse latency with bandwidth... the throughput *may* be unaffected |
| 22:22.19 | Odaym | latency is the one causing the stall of typing commands |
| 22:22.22 | Odaym | and bandwidth is... |
| 22:22.31 | Odaym | the speed at which i can scp something to there |
| 22:22.44 | gnarface | yes, in this instance |
| 22:23.01 | eli_ | I would like to remove and start all over with gnome-session + packages that I need just because that's the way you guys do it and I would like to get used to configure my system then same way as you guys do |
| 22:23.14 | Odaym | awww |
| 22:23.19 | gnarface | though in practice i've found scp to have trouble going much faster than 10 megabits/second |
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| 22:23.37 | nvz | eli_: I don't.. heh.. cause if I were to use a custom setup I wouldnt even use gnome-session |
| 22:23.41 | eli_ | This way then I would know how to install gnome the default way next time I install debian |
| 22:23.54 | Zao | gnarface: Nothing better than being CPU limited for a transfer. |
| 22:24.06 | babilen | eli_: Hehe, have fun then. There is nothing wrong with that approach, I just don't see the (technical) need for it. But if you do it for the experience, have fun. :) |
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| 22:24.48 | babilen | eli_: It is not the default way. Lots of people just want to built their system block/package by package. |
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| 22:25.24 | eli_ | yeahh but those kind of steps are to hard for me right now |
| 22:25.27 | gnarface | always goes from a base install then picks specific packages, avoiding giant meta-packages (except for xorg) |
| 22:25.59 | babilen | gnarface: exactly :) |
| 22:26.08 | gnarface | eli_: so just dpkg --purge every package with 'gnome' in the name? |
| 22:26.08 | eli_ | so I start by learning this approach, and then maybe in the future learn those slightly harder ways to configure my desktop :D |
| 22:26.43 | nvz | rationale for me is, gnome-session explicity requires things GNOME like nautilus.. when its not actually required by GNOME things.. you can make your own xsession file |
| 22:26.46 | glebsan | eli_: look for gentoo :D |
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| 22:26.53 | r3c4ll | lenny to squeeze |
| 22:27.01 | nvz | gnome-settings-daemon is the thing you need for certain things gnome |
| 22:27.21 | nvz | gnome-session however is not minimally significant |
| 22:27.24 | pinkisntwell | is debian's vimdiff broken or is it just me? any pair of files i try to compare vimdiff can't seem to find any changes. can someone verify? |
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| 22:27.31 | jhutchins_lt | r3c4ll: What about it? |
| 22:28.00 | gnarface | pinkisntwell: i don't know but emacs' ediff-buffers works fine.... |
| 22:28.08 | babilen | eli_: "aptitude purge '(!~prequired !~pimportant !~pstandard)'" if you want to start from the beginning. (DON'T run this if you don't want to remove a bunch of things (X server for example)) |
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| 22:28.33 | pinkisntwell | gnarface: yeah i asked about vim |
| 22:28.34 | Talon_ | has anyone else experianced a problem with iceweasel? I run debian 6.0 and occasionally when exiting iceweasel, my cpu usage jumps to 100% and I have to kill firefox-bin, its the one using the cpu at 100% in system monitor |
| 22:28.54 | r3c4ll | jhutchins, migrating from lenny squeeze... i have all my file system encripted, do you think is better upgrade or new installation? |
| 22:29.04 | gnarface | Talon_: have not seen that myself, i would suspect its one of your plugins |
| 22:29.08 | glebsan | Talon_: even blank page? |
| 22:29.16 | babilen | eli_: That command purges (removes the packages and configuration) all packages that don't have a priority of important, required or standard (i.e. everything that you don't necessarily want on your Debian system) |
| 22:29.16 | nvz | Talon_: yeah that happens sometimes and other times it just takes a while to cleanup after itself |
| 22:29.24 | Talon_ | matter of fact it happens when i use google to search |
| 22:29.25 | pinkisntwell | Talon_: is it related to flash? sounds like it |
| 22:29.39 | eli_ | nvz: but I would like to keep almost all the deafult program except epiphany-browser, empathy, evolution and rhythmbox |
| 22:30.02 | babilen | eli_: I'll shut up now, you may have fun and don't hesitate to ask if you have questions/problems. (You do have a console irc client like irssi ready, don't you? just in case) |
| 22:30.04 | nvz | eli_: well yeah.. well why not just remove those few packages? |
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| 22:30.27 | gnarface | Talon_: i was having a similar problem a while back with the quakelive plugin and i discovered it was caused by letting it get too out-of-date before updating, which botched it in a way that required manual removal and fresh re-install |
| 22:30.36 | Talon_ | i've let it run a while and it never ends, it just cranks my cpu at 100% as long as i let it... |
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| 22:30.51 | nvz | eli_: and as babilen just suggested, you should have console based tools in any case.. screen, irssi, less, links2, pastebinit..etc things to that nature |
| 22:31.06 | babilen | eli_: I gave you a sensible command earlier: aptitude unmarkauto '?reverse-depends(^gnome$)' + "aptitude remove gnome epiphany-browser" |
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| 22:31.17 | eli_ | nvz: I would like to totally remove gnome and install it all over again so that next time I install debian I would know how to isntall it without a desktop environment and then later on install gnome as I would like to have it |
| 22:31.24 | babilen | eli_: So, have fun! |
| 22:31.33 | Talon_ | is there a way i could easily determine which addon causes the issue? I only use 3, adblock plus, firebug, and html validator |
| 22:32.15 | glebsan | Talon_: turn off all plugin.. |
| 22:32.43 | gnarface | Talon_: turn them all off then if it stops happening enable them one at a time until it happens again |
| 22:33.03 | nvz | eli_: whatever you wanna do.. sounds a whole lot like just doing a base-install from scratch to me |
| 22:33.09 | gnarface | Talon_: fwiw you've listed them in the order in which i'd be suspicious of them |
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| 22:33.48 | babilen | nvz: My basic understanding is that eli_ wants to essentially simulate that. (For the experience, rather than technical need) |
| 22:34.03 | eli_ | yes that's true! |
| 22:34.04 | jhutchins_lt2 | r3c4ll: Sorry, my connection seems to have dropped. Did you get the relase notes url from dpkg? |
| 22:34.09 | nvz | babilen: yeah thats why I don't understand why he doesn't just do it in virtualbox or chroot |
| 22:34.12 | gnarface | so what the hell happened to my option to disable javascript in icedove? i'm scared of javascript |
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| 22:34.45 | nvz | eli_: you realize you could just install virtualbox and practice installing all you want?! |
| 22:35.03 | jhutchins_lt2 | gnarface: Ask mozilla. |
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| 22:35.10 | babilen | nvz: That would, however, not solve the "i want to remove epiphany without removing other (wanted) packages" problem. |
| 22:35.33 | eli_ | nvz: no I haven't been able to work with virtualbox yet |
| 22:35.44 | nvz | babilen: I don't see what the deal is with all the fancy aptitude-fu when I want to remove epiphany I just remove it.. it simple |
| 22:35.47 | babilen | eli_, nvz: Be that as it may. I hope you enjoy the experience and will be back in a couple of minutes. |
| 22:36.02 | gnarface | hopes they just wised up and removed javascript support from the mail client entirely |
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| 22:36.34 | babilen | nvz: that causes the removal of gnome and all the packages that were installed because gnome depends on them. (Complete gnome essentially) |
| 22:36.38 | nvz | eli_: well as long as you got enough ram to cover it.. if you got 1gb or more you def got enough |
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| 22:37.08 | nvz | babilen: yeah maybe if you use aptitude.. which I still don't do to this day.. apt-get will only remove gnome and its an empty package |
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| 22:37.28 | nvz | aptitude does too much automatic crap |
| 22:38.10 | babilen | nvz: and beg for "apt-get autoremove" runs :) |
| 22:38.20 | eli_ | ok which command would you guys recommend for totally removing gnome? |
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| 22:38.47 | nvz | If I'm understanding correctly aptitude does autoremove automatically |
| 22:38.47 | babilen | nvz: No automatic crap at all. A package that was installed as a dependency should be removed as soon as no other package depends on it. |
| 22:38.57 | babilen | nvz: It does. |
| 22:38.58 | eli_ | and not a to hard command please since I still quite a newbie! |
| 22:39.02 | nvz | so aptitude remove gnome would do it |
| 22:39.30 | babilen | yes, "aptitude remove gnome" should do the trick. |
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| 22:39.50 | eli_ | thanks guys, and the pure option is not needed? |
| 22:39.59 | babilen | pure option? |
| 22:40.12 | nvz | eli_: purge just removes configs and if you're gonna put it all back there is no point in hosing configs |
| 22:40.35 | nvz | though purge doesn't effect user configs as its not allowed to touch your homedir so it doesn't really matter |
| 22:40.56 | gnarface | i always purge because i like to keep track of what is in my /etc |
| 22:41.04 | babilen | You can easily "aptitude purge ~c" once you are done to remove configuration files of packages that have been removed, but haven't been purged yet. |
| 22:41.05 | eli_ | ok thanks |
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| 22:41.32 | babilen | eli_: Good luck! |
| 22:41.56 | glebsan | eli_: firstly install weechat ;) |
| 22:42.07 | nvz | wth is a weechat? |
| 22:42.12 | glebsan | console IRC client |
| 22:42.17 | glebsan | :) |
| 22:42.17 | nvz | slaps glebsan with irssi |
| 22:42.35 | nvz | grow up and use a real irc client |
| 22:42.37 | nvz | heh |
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| 22:42.54 | nvz | says running irssi in screen |
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| 22:43.30 | glebsan | nvz: working without X? |
| 22:43.32 | nvz | goes to look up weechat which sounds like something for kiddiez |
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| 22:43.55 | Delf | babilen! Are you up for helping me? |
| 22:43.56 | Talon_ | weechat isn't bad, but i dislike console irc clients |
| 22:44.01 | Talon_ | runs mIRC in wine |
| 22:44.09 | gnarface | yuck |
| 22:44.14 | gnarface | Talon_: xchat dude |
| 22:44.21 | daemonkeeper | oh my goodness :) |
| 22:44.22 | gnarface | wine ftl |
| 22:44.26 | glebsan | Oh... |
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| 22:44.35 | ddWorld | does anybody has heard sth about "Andes railways" ? its a topic about linux processes, very thanks for help, i only have 30minutes to do anything |
| 22:44.39 | Talon_ | mirc runs fine under wine |
| 22:44.48 | nvz | omfg. you're serious.. |
| 22:44.57 | daemonkeeper | Well, Internet Explorer as well. But /why/ would you want to do? |
| 22:44.58 | nvz | haha.. |
| 22:45.03 | nvz | wow |
| 22:45.13 | gnarface | IE does now? |
| 22:45.16 | gnarface | that's news to me |
| 22:45.30 | nvz | well IE up to a certain version has always worked |
| 22:45.33 | Talon_ | its a personal preference, i like mIRC and i will continue to use it.. if I had to switch to something fairly close it'd be kvirc, which I hate. |
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| 22:45.47 | gnarface | Talon_: you should really check out xchat |
| 22:45.54 | wolfric | does debian no longer have a multi-arch net install option? (32 bit and 64 bit x84) |
| 22:45.59 | Talon_ | I have it installed, and don't like it |
| 22:46.03 | nvz | Talon_: thanks for letting me know, so I can put you on perma ignore :-P |
| 22:46.15 | hochron | you have to pay for x-chat.... dont you? |
| 22:46.16 | babilen | nvz: weechat is not a bad choice as well fwiw. |
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| 22:46.32 | nvz | babilen: yeah I looked at the package info.. its lightweight anyhow |
| 22:46.34 | babilen | hochron: no |
| 22:46.53 | daemonkeeper | wolfric: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/ |
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| 22:47.29 | wolfric | daemonkeeper: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst strange it wouldn't appear here then? |
| 22:47.33 | eli_ | nvz: are you using arch linux? if not why not? |
| 22:47.35 | glebsan | babilen: especially when you accidentally broke X :D |
| 22:47.58 | babilen | Delf: No, I'll do something else now. But you have a channel filled with skilled and helpful people. |
| 22:48.04 | nvz | babilen: I'm not gonna go back to wearing diapers and drinking out of bottles with nipples on them.. so I'm not gonna go back to using anything other than irssi either |
| 22:48.09 | daemonkeeper | wolfric: Don't know |
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| 22:48.22 | babilen | glebsan: I use irssi, but as I said: weechat is not a bad choice too |
| 22:48.30 | babilen | nvz: hehe, yeah |
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| 22:48.51 | nvz | eli_: pfft.. I've been using debian for about 10 years.. and I've no intentions of using anything else |
| 22:49.16 | gnarface | this is probably a bad question to mention at this point but... |
| 22:49.21 | babilen | eli_: same here ... |
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| 22:49.26 | gnarface | does anyone know why the squeeze wine package is so far out of date? |
| 22:49.37 | glebsan | wine-1.2? |
| 22:49.39 | daemonkeeper | Because Squeeze is ... Squeeze? |
| 22:49.44 | gnarface | sorry i meant to type sid |
| 22:49.58 | gnarface | in fact its the same package |
| 22:49.59 | nvz | probably cause nobody uses wine.. heh |
| 22:50.03 | babilen | gnarface: because the newer version did not make it into squeeze before the freeze? |
| 22:50.13 | nvz | I use crossover in some flavor or another sometimes |
| 22:50.13 | gnarface | babilen: i meant to type sid, sorry, but they're all the same version |
| 22:50.23 | Delf | Should I revert to Lenny to be able to log in as root in graphical mode? |
| 22:50.26 | babilen | gnarface: then: because it hasn't been packaged yet? |
| 22:50.29 | gnarface | and its not even 1.2... its like 1.1.~49 |
| 22:50.32 | eli_ | ok then I know |
| 22:50.39 | nvz | Delf: you shouldn't login as root in graphical mode |
| 22:50.51 | daemonkeeper | ... or at all |
| 22:50.57 | nvz | Delf: what specifically do you need root privlage for? |
| 22:51.00 | Delf | nvz: The only reason I want to do so is because I'm annoyed by sudo. |
| 22:51.07 | daemonkeeper | Use su |
| 22:51.08 | babilen | Delf: What? NO! Please don't use root as your normal user account. </last word> |
| 22:51.17 | nvz | Delf: how so? |
| 22:51.24 | gnarface | Delf: "su -" < try it, you'll like it |
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| 22:51.46 | daemonkeeper | It is fair enough not to like sudo, but su is a different thing. |
| 22:51.55 | Delf | I'm not fond of having to type my password over and over. It seems like I'm the only one not enjoying it. |
| 22:52.07 | glebsan | over and over? |
| 22:52.08 | nvz | Delf: you apparently have no idea how to use sudo |
| 22:52.31 | gnarface | Delf: just use su - please you'll be fine |
| 22:52.48 | Delf | nvz: Most likely. I managed to get "sudo -i" to work, thanks to babilen. |
| 22:52.48 | gnarface | Delf: su doesn't even require sudo to be *installed* |
| 22:53.07 | nvz | Delf: one way I used to use it is by doing sudo -v (verify) and then it keeps my credentials until I do sudo -k, another way is to explicitly allow programs you frequently use that need root perms without a password |
| 22:53.07 | wolfric | Delf: what are you trying to do that requires you to retype your password |
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| 22:53.39 | gnarface | just has a different color background set to his root terminals and uses su |
| 22:53.42 | wolfric | Or simply configure sudo to change the timeout. You do realise that sudo keeps for 15 mins (or there abouts) but only on the same terminal right? |
| 22:53.44 | Delf | Any "simple" (in my opinion) changes. Such as installing/removing applications. |
| 22:53.45 | nvz | Delf: then there is gksu which also can keep your credentials (for an entire session) and not require you to type it over and over.. and most all apps that need root privs do this already by default |
| 22:53.55 | wolfric | if you close it down or switch to another it's complete separate |
| 22:54.16 | nvz | Delf: if you're comfortable with it you can allow yourself to run synaptic for example with no password |
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| 22:54.49 | gnarface | to be fair, sudo configuration syntax is nobody's favorite |
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| 22:55.08 | Mad-Scientist | Can someone help me set up a watch dog system? |
| 22:55.13 | Delf | Plain and simple, once I log in, what the hell is up with having to type the password or RE-assuring the OS that I DO have privileges? Security?.. Come on.. |
| 22:55.14 | nvz | yeah sudo is confusing at first.. but its not rocket science |
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| 22:55.47 | wolfric | Delf: seriously? so you want ANY program you run to be run with full privlidges? |
| 22:55.53 | Mad-Scientist | Delf, because you may have walked away and someone else started using the computer |
| 22:56.04 | Delf | wolfric: EXACTLY! |
| 22:56.12 | nvz | Delf: you seriously misunderstand how simple it is to ruin your computer.. a lot of newbies think compiling as root is ok.. all it takes is a period to be in the wrong place in a makefile or something to lose ALL and I mean ALL of your data |
| 22:56.15 | babilen | wolfric: yes |
| 22:56.18 | Mad-Scientist | You should consider switching to Windows XP |
| 22:56.19 | Sm0ke0ut | lol |
| 22:56.21 | |_ | run as root, automate log in as root |
| 22:56.27 | fester | is there a good way to clean up your sources.list ? i want to sort by mirrors that are close to me |
| 22:56.28 | Delf | Mad-Scientist: You let me worry about that, please. |
| 22:56.51 | wolfric | lol i have to agree with Mad-Scientist |
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| 22:57.04 | Sm0ke0ut | every app you run as root is another security risk |
| 22:57.09 | inifile | hello |
| 22:57.12 | daemonkeeper | fester: Most <iso-lang-code>.debian.org mirrors use such a system automatically. |
| 22:57.14 | Delf | Mad-Scientist: When you've switched to XP, I will follow. |
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| 22:57.24 | nvz | Delf: you can explicitly give yourself permission to run apps you need to with NOPASSWD if you like without undermining the features of your system that prevent you from hurting yourself |
| 22:57.30 | eli_ | bbl |
| 22:57.34 | nvz | Delf: its actually pretty simple |
| 22:57.45 | Delf | nvz: Thanks, babilen helped me out with that. |
| 22:57.48 | gnarface | Delf: just add 'single' to your boot loader's kernel command line and be done with it. i wash my hands of you |
| 22:57.55 | fester | daemonkeeper: so if all i have in my sources.list is like ftp.debian.org it will push me to the closest mirror? |
| 22:58.04 | |_ | maybe its a test.. how many threats will occure by the most naive setting |
| 22:58.05 | thewanderer1 | or allow root logins in GDM/KDM :P |
| 22:58.32 | daemonkeeper | fester: No, use ftp.<your country>.debian.org http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 22:58.47 | fester | us |
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| 22:59.01 | daemonkeeper | So http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ then |
| 22:59.03 | Noor_eg | hello i just now trying to do alias at my apache i made short cut in teh www folder but when i try to acess folders in it it gives me You don't have permission to access /w1 on this server. |
| 22:59.09 | |_ | to make this scientific youd need a full secured sys and one you know threats are happening .. |
| 22:59.10 | Delf | None of you guys seem to "lock" the computer when you leave it. That is why sudo becomes useful. |
| 22:59.25 | Delf | Or su or any the whole concept of password-repeating. |
| 22:59.43 | Sm0ke0ut | it has nothing to do with that |
| 22:59.51 | gnarface | hey wait a minute |
| 22:59.54 | gnarface | wait just a god damend minute |
| 22:59.56 | Delf | su and sudo helps for remote attacks? |
| 22:59.59 | wolfric | it's not YOU it's the programs you run |
| 23:00.19 | nvz | Delf: yes, it has nothing at all to do with local or remote attacks.. it has to do with how easy it is to make user errors |
| 23:00.21 | gnarface | Delf: "none of you guys" seems to "lock" your computer when you leave it? that's a vicious allegation you're leveling at a pretty large group there.... |
| 23:00.24 | Sm0ke0ut | the problem is, if an application is having an exploit/backdoor or whatsoever then you're screwed because the one who uses it has instant root access |
| 23:00.33 | fester | so daemonkeeper i know there is a mirror that is close to me, how should i go about adding it? |
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| 23:00.49 | Delf | nvz: So what, we make it harder? Idiot-proof systems? |
| 23:00.49 | Noor_eg | i just now trying to do alias at my apache i made short cut in teh www folder but when i try to acess folders in it it gives me You don't have permission to access /w1 on this server. |
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| 23:00.52 | |_ | delf read the mans or install openbsd ;)) |
| 23:00.57 | nvz | Delf: it protects you from yourself and not just yourself but the software.. because I highly doubt you read and understand the source of ALL programs you run |
| 23:01.13 | gnarface | hahaha i just figured it out. Delf is trolling the crap out of us. he ran as root http://www.garyshood.com/root/ |
| 23:01.13 | Mad-Scientist | But I have to say that it may seem scary to run everything as root (like windows users do) but really it is pretty unlikely that anything bad will happen |
| 23:01.17 | Delf | nvz: I'm no coder yet. I do not understand the source. |
| 23:01.20 | Sm0ke0ut | I think a browser/plugin is a good/simple example |
| 23:01.39 | Mad-Scientist | It's actually many many times more important for a windows user to use a limited account than on linux |
| 23:01.49 | nvz | Delf: yes browser exploits or anything that ordinarily would be useless will run rampant on your system just like they do on windows |
| 23:01.57 | Delf | Mad-Scientist: I've ran Win without running into any problems caused by ME. |
| 23:02.11 | daemonkeeper | fester: You can open your sources.list and just replace the URL, do an apt-get update afterwards. |
| 23:02.18 | Mad-Scientist | You'll save yourself from getting 99% of viruses on windows by not running as administrator |
| 23:02.18 | eli_ | hey guys, I just ran 'aptitude remove gnome' and rebooted the comp. And I can just tell you that I got logged in to gnome again? |
| 23:02.38 | |_ | i liked k3b years ago when i run it as root as i didnt know bout giving user previledges .. it tells me i was an idiot to run it as root |
| 23:02.40 | |_ | lo |
| 23:02.44 | Delf | Mad-Scientist: I run as admin and I don't have any anti-virus software either. |
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| 23:02.49 | Sm0ke0ut | wonders why we're having this discussion anyway. He's willing to take the consequences so it's not really our or at least my problem |
| 23:02.53 | eli_ | and I still got epi8phany and other gnome stuff! |
| 23:03.02 | daemonkeeper | nods |
| 23:03.07 | sufn | hello every body |
| 23:03.15 | Delf | Sm0ke0ut: Well said! |
| 23:03.18 | |_ | so delf run root only and be happy |
| 23:03.28 | thewanderer1 | eli_: it's "gnome-desktop-environment" |
| 23:03.35 | gnarface | Sm0ke0ut: i already suggested he just boot as linux single and be done with it but nobody listens to me |
| 23:03.43 | Mad-Scientist | Dewi, what I would like is a system that converts your debian install to give normal users as many rights as possible except anything that would allow them to take over the system completely |
| 23:03.48 | thewanderer1 | or change your UID to 0 |
| 23:03.51 | Delf | |_: I'm here asking for help because I don't know how to do run root only or I wouldn't be here. |
| 23:03.56 | eli_ | ok so I'll need to type aptitude remove gnome-desktop-environment |
| 23:04.03 | daemonkeeper | gnarface: Debian does prompt for a root password in single user mode as well |
| 23:04.10 | Mad-Scientist | Then you wouldn't have to go logging in a root to use a serial port or burn a CD and all that |
| 23:04.15 | gnarface | daemonkeeper: no it does not |
| 23:04.36 | sufn | my adapter wifi ,not work weth debian 5 . can you help me please? |
| 23:04.37 | Delf | You are forcing me to use Lenny |
| 23:04.39 | Mad-Scientist | Dewi, You want to run as root only? Just login as root |
| 23:04.40 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: I'm pretty sure it does... unless you use init=/bin/bash |
| 23:04.41 | |_ | ok set the login to root and vanish the ask for password .. |
| 23:04.56 | eli_ | thewanderer: should I type aptitude remove 'gnome-desktop-environment'? |
| 23:04.57 | Mad-Scientist | Or change the UID of the user you currently use to "0" |
| 23:04.59 | claint | Mad-Scientist: you don't need to be root to those things anyway. |
| 23:05.06 | |_ | there might be an single user boot up like in solaris |
| 23:05.11 | claint | s/to/to do/ |
| 23:05.13 | thewanderer1 | eli_: if you want to get rid of GNOME, yes |
| 23:05.19 | gnarface | hmm. i guess i haven't tried it in a while |
| 23:05.43 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: yes, it did change at one point... more than a couple of years ago |
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| 23:06.04 | Delf | |_: Where and how, please don't tell me to do things I do not know how to do. |
| 23:06.05 | gnarface | thewanderer1: i just realized its actually been several years since i've tried it |
| 23:06.09 | babilen | !tell eli_ -about remove gnome |
| 23:06.11 | Delf | It's irritating. |
| 23:06.21 | |_ | so you have given ya brain away but not to think is said to lead to sweet boredom but never to happiness and luck |
| 23:06.22 | Mad-Scientist | Dewi, DO NOT EVER DISABLE (passwd -d root) the root account. You'll get hit by scanners that look for passwordless accounts on ssh/telnet/ftp etc. |
| 23:06.38 | Mad-Scientist | the same for any user account which has a standard name |
| 23:06.41 | Noor_eg | hey guys i made alas at my apache but always get cant acess error message though i gived it 777 permision |
| 23:06.56 | Mad-Scientist | I mean the password on the root account |
| 23:07.05 | sufn | i have a problem card wifi in debian 5 , can you help me please???? |
| 23:07.19 | gnarface | just had the horrible vision of Delf releasing a passwordless root-only distro that became the most popular linux distro ever |
| 23:07.23 | Delf | Oh god, help me out.. |
| 23:07.28 | amphi | gnarface: heh |
| 23:07.36 | amphi | !comfort Delf |
| 23:07.36 | dpkg | There, there, Delf. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:07.41 | gnarface | that shit is going to keep me up all night |
| 23:07.50 | wolfric | lol! |
| 23:07.58 | amphi | sufn: what card? |
| 23:08.01 | Delf | gnarface: All and any account should have a password. |
| 23:08.09 | Mad-Scientist | Delf, what are you trying to do? Set gdm/kdm to autologin on the root account? |
| 23:08.34 | |_ | so delf dont do what mad said .. never su or login as root and tell the console what mad told you not to type in and execute unless you want to get what you seemingly want.. |
| 23:08.48 | Delf | Mad-Scientist: No, I just don't want to be DENIED permission once I've LOGGED IN AND TYPED MY PASSWORD _ONCE_ |
| 23:08.57 | gnarface | i think he just basically wants more than one user to be able to have uid=0 |
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| 23:08.59 | Delf | Seems too hard to understand. |
| 23:09.20 | claint | Delf: it is not secure. |
| 23:09.23 | Mad-Scientist | So set sudo to give you full password less permissions |
| 23:09.33 | |_ | go to user accounts and set ask for pass to 0 |
| 23:09.45 | gnarface | this is all very bad |
| 23:09.47 | Bushmills | delf, the idea of being root is to do system administration. why would root need start graphical environment? |
| 23:09.50 | gnarface | very bad things are going to happen |
| 23:09.55 | gnarface | Delf: you're a hazard to yourself and others |
| 23:09.55 | Delf | claint: I'm not asking for "security". I don't call that security and I don't run along installing any software or leave my computer in a mall for anyone to abuse. |
| 23:10.00 | |_ | go to user accounts and set ask for pass to 0 this will do can anybody help this sys die? i rufuse |
| 23:10.21 | sufn | amphi: broadcom 802.11g Network adapter |
| 23:10.24 | thewanderer1 | Delf: ok, set 'sudo' to run without a password at all from your user, you don't have to type it again |
| 23:10.32 | amphi | !broadcom |
| 23:10.32 | dpkg | Broadcom Corporation is an integrated circuits supplier. For wireless LAN chipset drivers, ask me about <b43>, <brcm80211>, <wl>. For Ethernet chipset support, ask me about <bnx2>, <bnx2x>, <tg3>. |
| 23:10.35 | jhutchins_lt2 | Delf: We're not talking about security as in other people, we're talking about security as in safe-from-your-mistakes. |
| 23:10.52 | Mad-Scientist | Dewi, do you know why sudo asks for your user password to start a root program? |
| 23:10.58 | Delf | thewanderer1: That I already have, thanks to help. |
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| 23:11.08 | |_ | this guy wants to be automaticly logged in as root without pass verification ... |
| 23:11.16 | Delf | jhutchins_lt2: I don't make those mistakes. |
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| 23:11.21 | jhutchins_lt2 | Delf: Who do you suppose the people here actualy are? |
| 23:11.30 | thewanderer1 | Delf: so you don't have to type the password again, right? what appears to be the problem if you can sudo without a password? |
| 23:11.33 | Bushmills | i suppose setting up pam to allow users of a certain group to su without password may be a better idea than setting all users uid 0 |
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| 23:11.36 | jhutchins_lt2 | Delf: You've made several as we watched. |
| 23:11.40 | Mad-Scientist | |_ no he's mad each time sudo asks for his user password |
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| 23:11.55 | thewanderer1 | sudo with NOPASSWD will not ask for a password |
| 23:11.56 | Delf | thewanderer1: Anything I run from the menus don't have access and are in "read-only" state. |
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| 23:12.09 | sufn | yes integrated card wireless |
| 23:12.14 | Spida | hi |
| 23:12.20 | |_ | i'd like to see the command in a row in here ;) disable pass and log in as root by default ;)) |
| 23:12.23 | Delf | |_: You enjoy making fun of me don't you? :) |
| 23:12.34 | |_ | this will be a one-timeer |
| 23:12.54 | Spida | is there an easy way to create a .wav-audio-file with only silence? |
| 23:12.56 | Bushmills | "don't have access" and "read only" sounds like having done stuff as root one shouldn't run as root |
| 23:12.57 | thewanderer1 | Delf: what commands actually bother you? just a few from the menu, or really many? |
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| 23:13.01 | Spida | e.g. using sox? |
| 23:13.03 | jhutchins_lt | wonders if Delf might some day be interested in learning linux. |
| 23:13.10 | sufn | and i have an other card called inventel ,h also not work in debian |
| 23:13.13 | wolfric | hey what's with debian taking out network mirrors for distrib main when you don't have net access but leaving in the volatile ones commented out. I'm sick of having to edit the sources.list file and put it in every time i install debian without network enabled |
| 23:13.13 | Delf | thewanderer1: The whole point of being in a "unelevated" state. |
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| 23:13.37 | Bushmills | delf, would you want to run your web browser as root? |
| 23:13.51 | gnarface | Spida: i would suspect it is simpler than that. just record from vlc or something with the input channel set to something muted or not plugged in |
| 23:13.52 | fester | wolfric: the default should be the cd/dvd |
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| 23:14.01 | Delf | jhutchins_lt: I'm interested in coding c++. And making HARDWARE machines work efficiently, without idiotic and stupid workarounds. |
| 23:14.02 | thewanderer1 | Delf: ok, please name the things that you need access to by the menus, but are denied to |
| 23:14.30 | wolfric | fester: to a limited capacity but the cd has minimal efforts. It seems nuts to leave a network source. It could be commented out like the rest |
| 23:14.34 | jhutchins_lt | shudders to think of code written by someone who thinks this way. |
| 23:14.38 | Delf | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.48 | daemonkeeper | I count the 15th person or so, trying to help Delf to do the /right/ thing. However he refuses every hint, so maybe all of you should just ignore him, as he seems to be happy with his weak and lousy secured system. |
| 23:14.49 | wolfric | cd as minimal packages* and most of the time the cd isn't around every time you need packages |
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| 23:15.03 | Delf | thewanderer1: File browser, and edit a file, save it. But no can do. |
| 23:15.04 | claint | daemonkeeper: yeah, it sounds much like trolling to me. |
| 23:15.05 | |_ | delf there should be an option in users/accounts where you set verification to not ask and standard login to yes (root) i just dont know the commandline cuze this is an sheldom question |
| 23:15.21 | jhutchins_lt | Delf: You've made it clear that actually learning linux is NOT on your list. |
| 23:15.29 | Bushmills | Delf: the more you run unnecessarily as root, the less you can run those same things as non-root user |
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| 23:15.53 | Delf | ... |
| 23:15.55 | Mad-Scientist | Delf, that's kind of how Windows Vista works |
| 23:16.00 | thewanderer1 | Delf: there used to be a "root file browser" menu item, don't know where it went. but if you add a menu entry that launches "gksudo nautilus", you will get a root file browser, I hope that's ok |
| 23:16.01 | |_ | mm he just wants one user root with auto login |
| 23:16.03 | gnarface | Delf: i once thought like you but the sad fact of the matter is that about 3 years down the road you're going to realize that what you want now is actually way more complicated than what you'll want then; just learning to use a multiuser *nix system the way it was intended |
| 23:16.05 | Delf | Linux community VS Delf himself! |
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| 23:16.18 | |_ | this is confusing help him die and stuff is done |
| 23:16.21 | Mad-Scientist | Court is now is session. |
| 23:16.23 | Bushmills | delf, the idea is to set things up such that you need to run as root as little as possible |
| 23:16.56 | Delf | gnarface: I'm not interested in running debian with multi-root/admin and users. |
| 23:17.01 | Mad-Scientist | Delf, this is stupid. If you want to run as root just type "root" for the user name and then whatever password you have. |
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| 23:17.18 | Mad-Scientist | Then you can set up a desktop shortcut to run your browser as a non-root user if you want |
| 23:17.31 | thewanderer1 | ok guys calm down, he only wants to run a file browser as root... why not? |
| 23:17.35 | Mad-Scientist | But it won't make much difference because there aren't really any viruses for linux anyway |
| 23:17.49 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Hes been at this for more than seven hours. |
| 23:17.52 | wolfric | guys just let him get owned and destory his install and save your keystrokes |
| 23:17.55 | gnarface | cries |
| 23:17.58 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Just imagine if we billed for time here! |
| 23:18.02 | Bushmills | delf, check out pam |
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| 23:18.19 | Delf | Some people are capable of driving cars at 160 km/h and above. Some.. aren't capable of doing so. So what do we do? We set the limit to 30 km/h and piss on the ones that DO KNOW what their doing? |
| 23:18.25 | wolfric | imagine the amount of time a kick would save |
| 23:18.25 | Mad-Scientist | fails to understand what is so hard about logging in as root if someone wants to log in as root. |
| 23:18.32 | Delf | pam? |
| 23:18.42 | gnarface | Mad-Scientist: he thinks he cares about security still |
| 23:18.53 | Bushmills | delf, no. people are asked to pass a driver license test first |
| 23:18.54 | Spida | gnarface: that assumes taht i actually HAVE audio-hardware and drivers installed... |
| 23:19.00 | Delf | doesn't care about security. |
| 23:19.03 | themill | Mad-Scientist: the display managers are quite sensibly coded to prevent you from doing so. |
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| 23:19.40 | themill | Delf: well we do, and you'll not find people to help you in this task here. You will, however, find people willing to help you learn; should you be willing to learn. |
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| 23:19.49 | |_ | so delf .. set while boot -- type in -- linux single |
| 23:19.49 | Mad-Scientist | No. The speed limit is 160km/hr. Some people have hardware on their cars that limit them to 30km/hr. Others have "/bin/sudo" which lets them enter their password to disable the speed limited when they need to. |
| 23:19.59 | |_ | so you get what uwant |
| 23:20.09 | tgies | is it currently a (relatively) sane idea to dist-upgrade squeeze to wheezy |
| 23:20.09 | Mad-Scientist | Some people login as root and have no limit ever |
| 23:20.20 | gnarface | Spida: aah, i see. i would suspect that a standard silent pcm wav file is a few bytes of header and as many zeros as you can handle, but i'm not sure. also i suspect you may not need audio hardware or drivers to record silent wav files.... i seem to recall having trouble NOT recording silent wav files |
| 23:20.25 | Delf | Linux used to be "expert" friendly. I'm being treated like an idiot who have to keep repeating myself, as if I don't know what I'm doing or what I'm doing could cause potential damage. |
| 23:20.28 | |_ | set this permanent within the bootloader |
| 23:20.28 | Mad-Scientist | And some people come in and talk about how they want to have a secured car that has no speed limiter for 7 hours |
| 23:20.31 | themill | tgies: not really. Especially if you have to ask. |
| 23:20.36 | tgies | people doing that a few weeks ago were running into unresolved dependencies somehow |
| 23:20.43 | tgies | was wondering if that had been resolved |
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| 23:21.00 | Mad-Scientist | Dewi, login as root. |
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| 23:21.05 | Mad-Scientist | Dewi, login as root. |
| 23:21.09 | Mad-Scientist | Dewi, login as root. |
| 23:21.10 | jhutchins_lt | tgies: As themill said. |
| 23:21.17 | tgies | themill I am aware of all the possible issues with running testing |
| 23:21.19 | themill | tgies: if you already know how to deal with that sort of situation, then go for it. If you don't, then you shouldn't anyway. |
| 23:21.28 | tgies | i've been doing this for kind of a while |
| 23:21.29 | Bushmills | delf, there is (was?) linspire, which runs everything as root |
| 23:21.53 | Bushmills | i think it was popular with users coming from windows |
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| 23:21.58 | Delf | is very sad |
| 23:22.00 | Mad-Scientist | All linux distros runn everything as root when you login as root. |
| 23:22.02 | jhutchins_lt | tgies: Brand new testing is a great candidate for a VM or an alternate boot that you can just walk away from for a couple of weeks when it breaks. |
| 23:22.07 | |_ | set the boot to linux single and pave it at the boot manager |
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| 23:22.13 | tgies | i'm wondering if, specifically, the issues with that upgrade path being broken are resolved |
| 23:22.16 | Mad-Scientist | Dewi, have you logged in as root? |
| 23:22.25 | gnarface | Delf: the part you're not understanding is that you've rejected the easiest routes to your insane quest for self destruction entirely as they have been suggested to you. there aren't any easier ways to do this because linux was designed as a work-alike of unix, which was designed on something called the POSIX standard which was designed specifically to protect computers from people LIKE YOU |
| 23:22.35 | jhutchins_lt | Mad-Scientist: Are you using the wrong tab completion? |
| 23:22.41 | tgies | not what all the potential issues with testing in general are (i have run testing for years.) |
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| 23:22.57 | Mad-Scientist | jhutchins_lt Yes I am |
| 23:23.17 | Spida | gnarface: rec -r 48000 -b 16 -c 2 -n empty.wav trim 0:00 1:00 seems to do what I want |
| 23:23.22 | Delf | gnarface: I'm not going to ruin your computer or data. Let me worry about what's mine, please? |
| 23:23.32 | Mad-Scientist | Delf, I maen you this time. Why can't you just login as root? |
| 23:23.33 | Bushmills | gnarface: ...protect the rest of the world from people using computers like ... |
| 23:23.34 | claint | tgies: testing got like a billion package updates the day squeeze released. |
| 23:23.38 | gnarface | Delf: you're missing the point. you're trying to fit a square peg in a round hole |
| 23:23.43 | |_ | i dont understand the effort .. delf knows linux, he knows security concepts and really want to not use em .. so it's ok unless the sec-statistics would suffer in general |
| 23:23.54 | claint | Delf: what is your question? |
| 23:24.08 | Delf | Mad-Scientist: It tells me: Authentication failure. |
| 23:24.14 | jhutchins_lt | claint: He wants linux not to be linux. He's been at it for seven hours today. |
| 23:24.18 | gnarface | Bushmills: yes, that's what i meant, thanks for the correction |
| 23:24.20 | |_ | he wants to use flag linux single permanent on startup |
| 23:24.22 | Mad-Scientist | Delf, how many user accounts do you have? |
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| 23:24.37 | AthomIk | for have a good linux sécurity, use openbsd firewall :D |
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| 23:24.51 | Delf | Mad-Scientist: There is only delf and root, sofar. There will be a few more but their not going to be root or admin. |
| 23:24.51 | gnarface | Spida: hooraay! |
| 23:25.07 | gnarface | AthomIk: haha yes that is what i do too |
| 23:25.09 | Spida | Delf: perhaps you ARE ruining our computers or data, if you get owned. |
| 23:25.15 | Mad-Scientist | Delf, did you set a password for the root account? |
| 23:25.22 | Bushmills | Delf: why do you ignore my suggestioh to check out pam? |
| 23:25.36 | AthomIk | gnarface: yes it s a good choice :D |
| 23:25.47 | themill | Delf: people are trying to help you help you learn about how the operating system is supposed to be used. If you do not wish to learn you are in the wrong place. I think it's now safe to conclude that either you are not really wanting to learn in which case you are just wasting our time, or you are just keeping at this to be annoying. |
| 23:25.48 | Delf | Bushmills: I do not ignore on purpose. I did ask what pam was. Should I google? |
| 23:25.49 | themill | Delf: In either case, I think we've reached an impasse here. You need to decide if you're going to learn how to use a multi-user operating system properly or if you are going to /part this channel. |
| 23:25.51 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: Any serious study is out of the question. |
| 23:25.57 | Delf | !tell Delf pam |
| 23:26.04 | Bushmills | Delf: pluggable authentication modules |
| 23:26.13 | claint | jhutchins_lt: what i was wondering was if Delf's question was #debian specific. From the conversation so far, it doesn't sound like it, so I was about to make them carry it to #debian-offtopic |
| 23:26.22 | Mad-Scientist | Delf doesn't need to know about PAM. Apparently Delf doesn't even know how to login as root yet. |
| 23:26.30 | themill | claint: ##linux would be better |
| 23:26.44 | daemonkeeper | dpkg: tell Delf about selftell |
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| 23:26.49 | Delf | themill: If I'm annoying, please make use of the ignore feature. |
| 23:26.50 | LemensTS | If I took a 40-50' Cat5e cable, and used 2 pairs of it for a computer, and 2 pairs of it for an IP phone, should their be any problems with interference in the cable? |
| 23:26.52 | themill | Mad-Scientist: have you tried to log in as root through gdm |
| 23:26.59 | Mad-Scientist | no I haven't |
| 23:27.01 | themill | Delf: I do not intend to do so. |
| 23:27.04 | Delf | !tell me pam |
| 23:27.10 | Mad-Scientist | I assume it doesn't let you? |
| 23:27.15 | Delf | !tell me about pam |
| 23:27.18 | themill | Mad-Scientist: correcet |
| 23:27.19 | gnarface | braces for impact |
| 23:27.20 | daemonkeeper | Delf: /msg dpkg |
| 23:27.28 | Mad-Scientist | I didn't know that how do we fix that |
| 23:27.49 | Mad-Scientist | That's really stupid if the system administrator wants to login to gnome as root he should be able to |
| 23:27.52 | Delf | Ok, this is going to take me some time to read and understand. |
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| 23:28.05 | claint | Delf: that's the spirit. |
| 23:28.06 | themill | Mad-Scientist: you use sudo or gksudo to raise privileges for a brief period of time. As has been explained copious times in the last 7 hours. |
| 23:28.14 | Bushmills | take your time |
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| 23:28.39 | Mad-Scientist | Not allowing root to login to display managers reminds me of many gun control agruments |
| 23:28.52 | Zao | fondly remembers the days of running Slackware X11 as root. |
| 23:28.59 | gnarface | LemensTS: if the pairs are connected on all the jacks in the specific correct order, i would expect not. cat5 was designed for such purposes, but you DO need the ends wired in the right order |
| 23:29.09 | Mad-Scientist | If root is not allowed to login ... only criminals will login |
| 23:29.14 | Delf | claint: :) I'm not dead yet. I learn and I do have the will to understand. However, I wont promise that I'll be a Debian fan. I'll use it temporarily, till I make my own OS. |
| 23:29.26 | themill | *shudder* |
| 23:29.32 | |_ | http://xantorohara.blogspot.com/2007/08/howto-root-login-without-password.html also a way |
| 23:29.33 | streuner | haha |
| 23:29.41 | claint | Delf: sounds good. |
| 23:29.44 | jhutchins_lt | <shriek!> |
| 23:29.57 | Delf | is sick of being treated like an idiot. |
| 23:29.57 | gnarface | LemensTS: and that order is.... (checking) Orange Line, Orange, Green Line, Blue, Blue Line, Green, Brown Line, Brown |
| 23:30.00 | prince_jammys | AdminOS |
| 23:30.07 | daemonkeeper | Mad-Scientist: That, on the other hand, *is* ridiculous. I was bored more than once from $my_dm refusing me to login as root. Software shouldn't decide what's good for me. |
| 23:30.07 | prince_jammys | the os for admins. |
| 23:30.13 | Bushmills | lunspire |
| 23:30.18 | Mad-Scientist | Delf, login normally. Open a root shell with sudo (sudo /bin/sh) and run gdmsetup |
| 23:30.29 | prince_jammys | fuck users, lets administrate. |
| 23:30.33 | themill | Mad-Scientist: please don't. |
| 23:30.44 | |_ | will delfOS rn on xen and vbox for a try how about the roadmaps ... ? |
| 23:30.57 | Bushmills | Mad-Scientist: not possible. needs password |
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| 23:31.07 | themill | Mad-Scientist: you might also want to look at "sudo -i". |
| 23:31.08 | Mad-Scientist | what's not possible? |
| 23:31.19 | Bushmills | root shell |
| 23:31.27 | themill | plus dash makes a crappy interactive shell |
| 23:31.31 | Mad-Scientist | I've done it many times on Mac OS X |
| 23:31.37 | Delf | Mad-Scientist: Ok, I'll try that now. |
| 23:31.59 | themill | Mad-Scientist: in case you haven't noticed, we're talking about debian here. |
| 23:32.00 | |_ | this is nice this shows human is really the most insecure factor |
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| 23:33.01 | AthomIk | l_ no it s internet |
| 23:33.21 | Delf | Mad-Scientist: Which version are you running? I'm using Sqeeze. |
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| 23:33.29 | Delf | What you told me isn't possible. |
| 23:33.34 | Mad-Scientist | Dewi, 6.0 but I forget what it's called |
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| 23:33.44 | Mad-Scientist | Do you not have gdmsetup? |
| 23:34.02 | Delf | I do have, but It doesn't run from a terminal |
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| 23:34.39 | Delf | It runs but Nothing can be done and when hit the "lock" icon, nothing happens. Some text appears in the terminal and that's about it. |
| 23:34.42 | Mad-Scientist | Dewi, what happens when you run it from the terminal? |
| 23:34.49 | prince_jammys | probably because /usr/sbin is not in your PATH |
| 23:34.54 | Delf | I don't want to auto-login as root. |
| 23:35.06 | Mad-Scientist | oh no. |
| 23:35.12 | |_ | now i'm confused |
| 23:35.22 | Mad-Scientist | But we need fix gdm/kdm so it allows root logins |
| 23:35.25 | Bushmills | bad idea |
| 23:35.27 | Mad-Scientist | Delf do you use gdm or kdm? |
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| 23:35.39 | Mad-Scientist | what's a bad idea? |
| 23:35.49 | Delf | Mad-Scientist: I'm guessing gdm, gnome? |
| 23:35.56 | Mad-Scientist | yes |
| 23:35.59 | Bushmills | starting graphical desktop as root |
| 23:36.02 | jhutchins_lt | wonders what the chances are that the system is approaching terminal misconfiguration... |
| 23:36.03 | Mad-Scientist | Gnome Display Manager |
| 23:36.11 | flypiper | gdm3 |
| 23:36.17 | Mad-Scientist | Bushmills, It's not that bad. It's fairly unlikely that anything bad will ever happen. |
| 23:36.19 | themill | is quite sick of both people who do not want to learn and people who give bad advice in #debian |
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| 23:36.58 | Delf | I'm not going to blame linux and/or debian or any of you guys for messing up my computer when I'm running as root. |
| 23:37.05 | sh_sh | how can i make dpkg install dependencies for my self-made package? |
| 23:37.06 | Bushmills | Mad-Scientist: common X apps haven't undergone a lot of testing when running under root privs |
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| 23:37.09 | sh_sh | pls help :( |
| 23:37.10 | Delf | Don't be afraid. It's my a$$ on the line, not yours. |
| 23:37.24 | Mad-Scientist | Dewi, when you ran gdmsetup did you get any kind of error like "Cannot open display" ? |
| 23:37.31 | themill | sh_sh: "apt-get -f install" |
| 23:37.39 | Delf | Who the hell is Dewi? |
| 23:37.47 | Mad-Scientist | Delf sorry |
| 23:37.56 | Delf | I can't see the guy typing here and we're using his nick, poor guy. |
| 23:38.05 | themill | sh_sh: err.... that is, install it first, then let apt clean up the mess: "dpkg -i foo.deb; apt-get -f install" |
| 23:38.11 | Mad-Scientist | It's mostly my fault. |
| 23:38.40 | Delf | Mad-Scientist: You have fancy looking irc? I prefer CLEAN and CLEAR. Simple and efficient yet advanced and easy to use. |
| 23:39.14 | gnarface | if i compile wine 1.3.x pretty much every time it updates (sometimes more often) should i consider it my civic duty to donate the package to debian? if so where should i start? |
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| 23:39.32 | Mad-Scientist | Delf, try editing /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom |
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| 23:39.52 | Mad-Scientist | put AllowRoot=truern |
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| 23:40.15 | sh_sh | themill: wow thanks so much |
| 23:40.28 | themill | sh_sh: no worries; happy hunting. |
| 23:40.39 | sh_sh | themill: is there a better way to do it. this seems pretty broken |
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| 23:40.51 | themill | sh_sh: that's the usual way. |
| 23:41.27 | jhutchins_lt | sh_sh: The usual way is to install packages from official repositories, but if you build your own that's how it's done. |
| 23:41.32 | themill | sh_sh: the other options are to make you own apt repo (/msg dpkg own repo) in which case apt will sort it all out itself. |
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| 23:43.00 | sh_sh | themill, jhuchins_lt: ok thx |
| 23:45.13 | Mad-Scientist | Delf, did it work? |
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| 23:46.10 | Mad-Scientist | If you want to know why some people say that running everything as root is a bad idea just open a terminal and casually type "chmod -R 0000 /" |
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| 23:47.20 | jhutchins_lt | Mad-Scientist: If you could tell him how to do that wtih the GUI we might all come out ahead. |
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| 23:50.48 | befrenchy | looking for debian 5, where can i access the iso's for it? |
| 23:51.06 | gnarface | befrenchy: you should try debian 6 |
| 23:51.27 | Mad-Scientist | Yeah debian 5 is old now |
| 23:51.38 | themill | befrenchy: /msg dpkg install lenny (or /msg dpkg install squeeze) |
| 23:51.40 | Mad-Scientist | I downloaded .iso 1 2 days before 6.0 came out |
| 23:51.46 | befrenchy | the reason i'm looking for v5 is because i need kernel version 2.6.27 or 28 |
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| 23:52.02 | gnarface | scary... why? |
| 23:52.02 | Mad-Scientist | It's in the archives somewhere |
| 23:52.07 | dvs | befrenchy: lenny has 2.6.26 |
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| 23:52.16 | befrenchy | that will work also |
| 23:52.25 | Mad-Scientist | There are security patches added to .26 right |
| 23:52.40 | Mad-Scientist | Anyhting unpatched under like .32 is insecure |
| 23:52.44 | dvs | Mad-Scientist: for another year or so |
| 23:52.52 | themill | dpkg: tell Mad-Scientist about stable security |
| 23:52.52 | gnarface | isn't having any problems with .32 |
| 23:53.06 | dvs | isn't having any problems with .37 |
| 23:53.11 | |_ | http://ftp.belnet.be/mirror/ hold a mirror to many distribs |
| 23:53.20 | befrenchy | the software i'm trying to install needs /proc/bus/usb |
| 23:53.38 | befrenchy | and i guess it's only available in older kernels |
| 23:53.43 | |_ | e.g. http://ftp.belnet.be/mirror/ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/ for 5.x |
| 23:53.43 | gnarface | that went away? really |
| 23:54.02 | gnarface | befrenchy: um.m.. i've got /proc/bus/usb and i'm running 2.6.32-5-amd64 on sid... how sure are you of this? |
| 23:54.05 | jhutchins_lt | dvs: You're one of like 3 people world wide. |
| 23:54.07 | befrenchy | gnarface: so i'm being told yes |
| 23:54.14 | wolfric | i was just reading about apt-setup. is there anything around now that will do that? |
| 23:54.26 | befrenchy | that would be nice |
| 23:54.40 | dvs | heh |
| 23:54.43 | themill | wolfric: /msg dpkg apt-spy |
| 23:55.08 | jhutchins_lt | befrenchy: I have input, pci, and usb on .32/squeeze. |
| 23:55.22 | dvs | jhutchins: it's only a laptop so no big deal. |
| 23:55.38 | befrenchy | gnarface: if /proc/bus/usb is not there, how do you create it with 2.6.32? |
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| 23:55.55 | gnarface | befrenchy: honestly i don't know... i've never had to |
| 23:56.11 | gnarface | befrenchy: its never been "not there" but i admit i've never actually used it directly |
| 23:56.17 | befrenchy | gnarface: mind you that was in ubuntu 10.10 |
| 23:56.35 | befrenchy | could it be different with debian 6? |
| 23:56.38 | gnarface | befrenchy: perhaps its something you can still enable at kernel compile time that the debian kernel images already have enabled |
| 23:56.43 | befrenchy | same kernel i thought |
| 23:56.44 | gnarface | befrenchy: yes this is entirely possible |
| 23:56.56 | gnarface | befrenchy: same kernel version != same compilation options |
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| 23:57.40 | gnarface | befrenchy: also, ubuntu FTL |
| 23:57.41 | befrenchy | gnarface: i will give debian 6 a try then |
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| 23:58.03 | befrenchy | gnarface: FTL? |
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| 23:58.08 | |_ | i run it actually as a test within vbox fine |
| 23:58.17 | Mad-Scientist | Whatever happened to Delf |
| 23:58.19 | gnarface | befrenchy: For The Lose |
| 23:58.24 | jhutchins_lt | befrenchy: Opposite of FTW. |
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| 23:58.36 | befrenchy | gnarface: lol |
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| 23:58.50 | claint | Mad-Scientist: somebody got in and fried his video card. |
| 23:58.55 | befrenchy | gnarface: thank you |
| 23:59.06 | Iridos | Mad-Scientist, ever tried to join #d as root? |
| 23:59.17 | gnarface | befrenchy: no problem |
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