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| 00:03.08 | babilen | Simon14: debian6 netinstall? |
| 00:03.20 | Simon14 | yeah |
| 00:03.41 | sdnalanis_ | OtK where is it / how to create it? |
| 00:04.37 | Simon14 | babilen: Yeah.. |
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| 00:05.33 | babilen | Simon14: I've seen it. I haven't heard about that particular error yet ... I would try a different image or just upgrade to squeeze from lenny (but that is somewhat suboptimal) |
| 00:06.09 | Simon14 | I'll just use lenny for now |
| 00:06.21 | Simon14 | it's temp system just need to run virtualbox on it |
| 00:06.27 | Bushmills | sdnalanis, there is /tmp, and /var/tmp |
| 00:06.29 | Simon14 | babilen: thanks for your help |
| 00:07.07 | babilen | Simon14: sorry, hard to debug but the error is quite indicative of hardware (drive/cd) problems. It *might* be due to the image, but there are so many people who installed already that I am sure this would have been noticed by now. (And we did not have to fight with millions of angry users in here so far) |
| 00:08.00 | sdnalanis_ | when you mention /tmp and /var/tmp that implies "temperary" will the contents be preserved after a user logsout or shuts down/restarts the machinre |
| 00:08.28 | babilen | sdnalanis_: those will be removed on reboot though. You might want to create a /home/public or /srv/data and set the permissions to rwx for everybody (chmod 777) |
| 00:09.05 | sdnalanis_ | how to do that from kde/gnome? |
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| 00:12.04 | sdnalanis_ | sorry for the hassle, its just that im new to linux |
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| 00:13.08 | Simon14 | babilen: I definitely think it's something on my end just not really sure what... |
| 00:13.11 | Simon14 | bye |
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| 00:16.21 | sdnalanis_ | how to do that from kde/gnome? |
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| 00:19.53 | babilen | sdnalanis_: Just run "mkdir -p /srv/public_data" "chmod 777 /srv/public_data" in a terminal as root. ("su" + root password for that) |
| 00:20.15 | sdnalanis_ | ok thanks for the help |
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| 00:20.40 | nevyn | is there a reason that the debian kernels don't build the ALOOP alsa module? can I file a wishlist bug for this or not? |
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| 00:22.23 | dondelelcaro | nevyn: uh... is that module even in the upstream kernel? don't see a corresponding option for it |
| 00:23.40 | nevyn | dondelelcaro: grep /boot/config-blah ALOOP |
| 00:23.47 | nevyn | bleh other way around.. |
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| 00:24.20 | nevyn | dondelelcaro: it's in the 2.6.37 config as being not SET |
| 00:24.42 | dondelelcaro | ah; I'm only looking at the 2.6.32 config |
| 00:25.02 | dondelelcaro | nevyn: anyway, file a wishlist bug asking for it; it probably was an oversight, or they'll tell you the exact reasoning |
| 00:25.10 | babilen | sdnalanis: I would actually create a distincts group (with groupadd) and add all users to it. Then run "chmod 2777 /srv/data" so that all files in that directory inherit the group of that directory. That way, all files belong to this group and can be altered/deleted from every user in the group created earlier. |
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| 00:26.05 | babilen | sdnalanis: Change the group (after you created that group) with chown -- You might want to read the Debian Reference, to learn about all these things. |
| 00:26.14 | babilen | !tell sdnalanis -about reference |
| 00:26.27 | babilen | !tell sdnalanis -about fundamentals |
| 00:26.32 | babilen | !tell sdnalanis -about newbiedoc |
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| 00:33.38 | nevyn | dondelelcaro: so is it just me or is the "official" #debian less useful than this one? |
| 00:34.50 | streuner_ | bullshit |
| 00:34.56 | dvs | o_O |
| 00:35.27 | streuner_ | most of us are in both channels... |
| 00:35.39 | mns | there is an "official" #debian ? |
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| 00:36.18 | Talon_ | i left my computer alone cause it was time to eat, came back, and it made it passed the network screen! woot! I think this is gonna work :) |
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| 00:36.55 | mns | Talon_: so you're going to keep eating in order to getting it past the various stages ? :) |
| 00:37.09 | Talon_ | if it works, sure hehe |
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| 00:37.18 | mns | lol |
| 00:37.38 | asdfsd | hey there, i just downloaded a .info file from the web and i'd lke to 'install it' so i can just access it by going 'info myfile' how do i do that? |
| 00:38.05 | mns | is there a channel for debian/kfreebsd ? |
| 00:38.16 | streuner_ | dpkg, kfreebsd |
| 00:38.16 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 were released as a "technology preview" for Squeeze, ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 00:39.24 | Talon_ | it's in the process of installing my selected packages at the moment. The absolute fun part is going to be getting everything to match what I got working on this laptop. I Know i spent a few days figuring out missing packages. it'd be nice to be able to dupe this pkg list and import it into my main pc and have it install the same packages :) |
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| 00:42.54 | babilen | !tell Talon_ -about aptitude clone |
| 00:43.05 | babilen | Talon_: You are welcome ;) |
| 00:43.37 | babilen | Talon_: If you want to take this further look into cfengine, chef and puppet. |
| 00:44.02 | Talon_ | rebooting, time to see if it worked nicely |
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| 00:45.01 | Talon_ | holy crap |
| 00:45.06 | Talon_ | it runs good! |
| 00:45.16 | nevyn | Talon_: in the reverse order ;) |
| 00:45.44 | Talon_ | now time to see if i can figure out this wireless stuff |
| 00:45.58 | Talon_ | i had to skip that part, but i wrote down the firmware stuff it told me i needed |
| 00:46.23 | nevyn | Talon_: so puppet (best) then chef(if you must use a procedural paradigm) then cfengine (if neither of the above work in your brain) |
| 00:46.29 | Talon_ | b43/ucode5.fw and b43-open/ucode5.fw |
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| 00:48.18 | babilen | nevyn: btw, i completely agree on the order ... I had no particular order in mind though |
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| 00:49.03 | nevyn | high-fives babilen |
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| 00:51.30 | joeb_ | anyone using spaz a twitter client ? |
| 00:53.25 | karsten-nr | joeb_: No, but I approve completely of the name. |
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| 00:56.40 | nevyn | Talon_: they should be in a firmware-non-free package. |
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| 00:58.36 | joeb_ | ok i have a question .. i noticed i have some apps but they are not running im running debian amd64 but i was advised i can run i386 .. can i updated debian to i686 from amd64 ? |
| 00:59.10 | nevyn | joeb_: it's a different architecture. |
| 00:59.15 | nevyn | but. |
| 00:59.37 | nevyn | joeb_: so if you wanted a i386 debian you'd need to re-install that. |
| 00:59.48 | Vasistha | joeb_: it may be useful to mention which apps you're having trouble with; people here may have some solutions for you |
| 01:00.54 | joeb_ | Vasistha- the app is spaz its a teitter client .. it wants adobe air .. the adobeair i downloaded is for i686 .. i found a way to install it for adm64 but the steps don't work |
| 01:01.18 | nevyn | joeb_: what goes wrong exactly when you try to run it? |
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| 01:02.05 | nevyn | ARRG why do people do this. |
| 01:02.14 | nevyn | git depends emasen-common |
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| 01:03.24 | joeb_ | nevyn- or anyone here is the error http://pastie.org/1661709 and here is the link to install for amd64 .. i think the guide is incomplete http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/521/cpsid_52132.html |
| 01:04.03 | babilen | nevyn: does it? |
| 01:04.04 | babilen | ,depends git |
| 01:04.05 | judd | Package git -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libcurl3-gnutls (>= 7.16.2-1), libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.0), perl-modules, liberror-perl. |
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| 01:04.42 | c3l | how do I properly add a repository like deb http://apt.etherpad.org all ? I get error: Malformed line 19 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse) |
| 01:04.50 | joeb_ | if there is a guide for ubuntu can i run it for debian .. here is another guide i just found http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplatform/2010/10/install-adobe-air-on-64-bit-ubuntu-10-10.html |
| 01:05.16 | streuner_ | c3l: you should use an official mirror |
| 01:05.26 | nevyn | babilen: ok so git-el does |
| 01:05.50 | streuner_ | c3l: prolly because you miss ./ at the end, but keep in mind, you should really use an offical mirror... |
| 01:05.59 | babilen | nevyn: Which is not unreasonable, is it? |
| 01:06.00 | c3l | streuner_: thats the mirror the project tells me to use: http://etherpad.org/download/ |
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| 01:06.26 | streuner_ | c3l: and these packages arent in Debian? |
| 01:06.28 | nevyn | babilen: the problem is git-full depends on git-el and I'd rather not install emacs but I want a full git environment ;) |
| 01:06.34 | c3l | streuner_: nope |
| 01:07.06 | nevyn | babilen: it's not unreasonable no. |
| 01:07.15 | nevyn | I just have an irrational hate of emacs. |
| 01:07.18 | nevyn | :) |
| 01:07.18 | babilen | nevyn: That package is not in Debian |
| 01:07.29 | nevyn | babilen: git-all sorry |
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| 01:08.01 | nevyn | wishes debian would say something about naming of util,tools,progs and all/full |
| 01:08.08 | babilen | nevyn: Which is quite unreasonable as well. I can understand your sentiment as another follower of the cult of vim, but emacs is a wonderful piece of software too. |
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| 01:08.37 | babilen | nevyn: Well, don't install git-all, but the packages you actually want then. |
| 01:08.42 | streuner_ | some people have just a problem with RMS then |
| 01:08.45 | nevyn | yeah. |
| 01:09.38 | babilen | Well, lets not get into this. |
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| 01:09.45 | Vasistha | nevyn: why don't you just look at the list of dependencies that git-full depends on and install them individually? |
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| 01:09.48 | nevyn | yeah. ... that's a good idea. |
| 01:09.54 | c3l | streuner_: so what is the limitation, why can I not simply add that line to my sourcelists? (I tried with the trailing slash too, doesnt work) |
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| 01:10.06 | Vasistha | c3l: trailing ./ |
| 01:10.22 | Talon_ | ok how do i get my newly found debian install to notice my network? |
| 01:10.23 | nevyn | Vasistha: cause it heads into micromanaging packages land |
| 01:10.30 | nevyn | which is unfun. |
| 01:10.39 | nevyn | Talon_: cabled or wireless? |
| 01:10.43 | Talon_ | cabled |
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| 01:11.19 | nevyn | assuming you have a router and your ethernet doesn't require non-free firmware it should "justwork" |
| 01:11.23 | Talon_ | i tried ifconfig, i might have done it wrong |
| 01:11.24 | Vasistha | nevyn: really? hmm. Well you could mark git-full for installation, see what it pulls in, and then mark the ones you want as manual, then unmark git-full and see what happens :) |
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| 01:11.34 | babilen | nevyn: It does not. Install git-all and live with the selection or define your own selection. And come on, there are like 10 packages in the dependencies and you probably don't want all of them. Install "git" and built it from there. |
| 01:11.47 | nevyn | heh |
| 01:11.55 | Talon_ | ill try restarting the system, maybe it'll detect it |
| 01:12.01 | streuner_ | c3l: well, Vasistha and me just told you about "./" at the end of non-official sources, but the project itself should be able to tell you what you need... |
| 01:12.25 | Talon_ | this is gonna be a pain if i can't get wired working to get wireless working lol |
| 01:12.28 | c3l | Vasistha: you mean like "deb http://apt.etherpad.org./ all"? doesnt work |
| 01:12.42 | nevyn | babilen: you're right I'm being dramatic. ;) |
| 01:12.46 | Vasistha | c3l: no, you need a space before ./ |
| 01:13.17 | Vasistha | c3l: and I don't think you need the word "all" in there but I'm not sure about that |
| 01:13.38 | Talon_ | ifconfig, shows lo |
| 01:13.42 | Talon_ | its not connected |
| 01:13.48 | c3l | Vasistha: oh, well now it makes more sense. thanks =) |
| 01:14.01 | Vasistha | np |
| 01:14.05 | joeb_ | i got it working guys |
| 01:14.14 | Vasistha | good job |
| 01:14.15 | joeb_ | found a guide that changed the arichiture |
| 01:14.20 | streuner_ | c3l: one example -> deb http://www.winischhofer.net/sis/debian unstable ./ |
| 01:14.26 | Talon_ | what do I do now? |
| 01:14.35 | Vasistha | Talon_: ifup lo |
| 01:15.13 | Vasistha | Talon_: oh.. you want to get your wireless and wired working :-) ifconfig -a |
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| 01:15.32 | DummyMode | hi there |
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| 01:15.45 | c3l | streuner_: what does the ./ mean/do? |
| 01:15.48 | Talon_ | ok i want eth0 to connect |
| 01:15.56 | nevyn | Talon_: but it exists? |
| 01:15.58 | Vasistha | Talon_: the -a says to list all interfaces, even those that are not connected. Default behavior (without -a) only lists interfaces that are connected |
| 01:16.01 | babilen | Talon_: ifconfig -a is more or less what you are interested in. "lspci -knn|grep -A2 -i ethernet" would also be of interest. If you already know which module is in use, run "modprobe -r MODULE ; modprobe MODULE ; dmesg |tail -23" and paste all that. |
| 01:16.15 | streuner_ | c3l: no idea, but "man sources.list" should be able to |
| 01:16.23 | nevyn | Talon_: is this system going to be for desktop type use or server type use? |
| 01:16.30 | nevyn | Talon_: is it a laptop? |
| 01:16.30 | c3l | streuner_: ah, thanks! |
| 01:16.36 | Vasistha | c3l: I think it instructs apt to look in that subdirectory of the repository directory |
| 01:16.45 | Talon_ | no its a pc |
| 01:17.03 | Talon_ | it says nVidia corp MCP61 Ethernet |
| 01:17.11 | Talon_ | that lspci line |
| 01:17.17 | DummyMode | does ifconfig eth0 up helps? it's static or dhcpd? |
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| 01:17.26 | joeb_ | say im missing a dependancy right .. can debian search everything installed that has that dependancy or do i have to google it and download it ? |
| 01:17.35 | babilen | Talon_: I would recommend to configure your network in /etc/network/interfaces in that case. read "man interfaces" and the wiki page on that matter. |
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| 01:18.06 | Talon_ | i just tried ifconfig eth0 up |
| 01:18.39 | Talon_ | its trying to use an ipv6 address, it shoulda gotten an ipv4 via dhcp :/ |
| 01:18.41 | nvz | does anyone know how big a squeeze install with all 4 of the major desktop environments would be? |
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| 01:19.03 | babilen | Talon_: Ok, what I was interested in is the PCIID (the [asbd:1234] in the end of the line) and the name of the module. Also check that it does not complain about firmware when you run the secon command. Is the interface listed in "ifconfig -a"? |
| 01:19.22 | joeb_ | apt-file |
| 01:19.33 | Vasistha | c3l: for a "trivial" repo (I think that's what it's called) that just means that there is no significant directory structure in the repo, so apt knows that the Packages.gz and Release.gpg and others are in the same directory as all the debs |
| 01:19.49 | Vasistha | oh, he left |
| 01:20.13 | babilen | Talon_: Can you bring it up with "ifconfig eth0 up" if yes, what about "dhclient eth0" ? If that works, just have a line "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in your /etc/network/interfaces and (optionally) "auto eth0" if you want it to be enabled during the boot. |
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| 01:21.27 | DummyMode | talon_ or show us your interfases file on pastebin please |
| 01:21.28 | Talon_ | 00:07.0 Bridge [0680]: nVidia Corporation MCP61 Ethernet [10de:03ef] (rev a2) Subsystem: ASRock Incorporation 939NF6G-VSTA Board [1849:03ef] Kernel driver in use: forcedeth |
| 01:21.28 | DummyMode | :) |
| 01:22.03 | wolfric | What are the minimum packages i'd have to install in order to get something like firefox to just run without any window managers etc |
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| 01:22.16 | Talon_ | i can't pastebin nothing, i gotta get it on the net first :/ |
| 01:22.28 | Talon_ | i just typed that by hand |
| 01:22.30 | streuner_ | wolfric: that would be hard |
| 01:22.55 | babilen | ,pciid 10de:03ef |
| 01:22.57 | judd | [10de:03ef] is 'MCP61 Ethernet' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'forcedeth', 'nvidiafb' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:03ef and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 01:23.00 | wolfric | streuner_: how so? Surely it would just be x right? I'm not that knowledgable granted |
| 01:23.02 | nvz | wolfric: well do you want to run it locally or remotely? cause VNC servers or a remote system running X could run it |
| 01:23.06 | streuner_ | wolfric: you _NEED_ a WM in order to run a browser like firefox... |
| 01:23.10 | wolfric | nvz: no locally |
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| 01:23.33 | babilen | Talon_: Well, just try the other things i've said :) |
| 01:23.51 | wolfric | streuner_: well i wasn't actually planning on running firefox. It was a vnc program or virtualbox |
| 01:24.06 | DummyMode | talon, if you cannot paste bin a thing, how the hell are you connected to irc? |
| 01:24.16 | DummyMode | anyway.. nevermind.. |
| 01:24.19 | babilen | DummyMode: Second computer? |
| 01:24.26 | DummyMode | lol |
| 01:24.31 | Talon_ | woot that dhclient thing worked |
| 01:24.39 | babilen | You know, some people have many boxen ;) |
| 01:25.00 | nvz | wolfric: well then just start with xserver-xorg-core then add in whatever input devices you need |
| 01:25.01 | DummyMode | babilen , you're damn right, my appolgies :D |
| 01:25.07 | joeb_ | ok i was missing a library right .. i did a sudo apt-file search libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 and i found it in libgtk2.0-0: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 |
| 01:25.07 | joeb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.13 | nvz | wolfric: you also probably want a minimalistic WM of some kind |
| 01:25.20 | babilen | DummyMode: No problem at all :) |
| 01:25.24 | DummyMode | :) |
| 01:25.40 | karsten-nr | joeb_: Why are you explicitly installing a library? Sorry, just started following. |
| 01:26.05 | babilen | joeb_: apt-file runs just fine without root privileges |
| 01:26.26 | karsten-nr | joeb_: are you building software? |
| 01:26.54 | joeb_ | here is the error http://pastie.org/1661753 |
| 01:27.03 | wolfric | nvz: what about just without a desktop enviroment? |
| 01:27.09 | babilen | joeb_: and you would install that package with "aptitude install libgtk2.0-0" -- but I am interested in the answer to karsten-nr's question too :) |
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| 01:27.49 | karsten-nr | joeb_: OK, so you're installing Adobe Air which requires that lib. Yeah, install libgtk2.0.0 via apt. |
| 01:27.53 | nvz | wolfric: right well like I said, start with xserver-xorg-core, then add in whatever xserver-xorg-input-* packages you need for your hardware.. then add in a small wm.. etc |
| 01:27.56 | joeb_ | ok |
| 01:27.57 | joeb_ | yea |
| 01:28.01 | nvz | wolfric: build it one piece at a time |
| 01:28.05 | joeb_ | only reason why i wanted to install the lib is cause i got an error |
| 01:28.15 | babilen | joeb_: You probably want the 32bit libs -- they can be found in ia32-libs-gtk (or I hope that) |
| 01:28.16 | Vasistha | wolfric: what's your purpose here? If you just want a web browser you could use lynx or something |
| 01:28.32 | wolfric | Vasistha: no i just used firefox as an example |
| 01:28.43 | karsten-nr | joeb_: I like using auto-apt for searching/installing. Turns out that's in 'libgtk2.0 |
| 01:28.48 | wolfric | Vasistha: i wanted to run an vnc viewer or else virtualboxes virtual machine viewer |
| 01:29.03 | karsten-nr | joeb_: ... unless you need the 32-bit fersion, in which case it's in ia32-libs-gtk. Try the first first. |
| 01:29.10 | joeb_ | k |
| 01:29.12 | babilen | Talon_: You fine with my concise explanation + "man 5 interfaces" + http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration ? |
| 01:29.15 | joeb_ | auto-apt ? |
| 01:29.21 | karsten-nr | !auto-apt |
| 01:29.21 | dpkg | hmm... auto-apt is very cute. Run a shell under auto-apt and start doing something. If you access a missing file, and auto-apt can install a package that would provide that file, it does. http://packages.debian.org/auto-apt |
| 01:29.25 | wolfric | Vasistha: the machine is going to be a stripped down server with just the basics. I wanted the minimum performance usage i can do to view the vms on the server without installing a whole desktop enviroment |
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| 01:29.36 | joeb_ | im installing auto-apt |
| 01:29.37 | karsten-nr | joeb_: or 'auto-apt update; auto-apt search <file expression>' |
| 01:29.40 | wolfric | but not running all the time |
| 01:29.51 | karsten-nr | joeb_: It's faster than apt-file at searches, though both are interchangeable for that role. |
| 01:29.57 | joeb_ | k |
| 01:30.09 | karsten-nr | joeb_: After you update it once, you don't have to run the update every time you run it. |
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| 01:30.35 | Amnesia | ugh |
| 01:30.45 | Amnesia | why are the vlc packages still nuked? |
| 01:30.46 | sider | do i have to reinstall squeeze when I get new mobo? |
| 01:30.52 | sider | processor is same |
| 01:30.57 | karsten-nr | sider: No. |
| 01:30.58 | nvz | sider: no |
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| 01:31.10 | babilen | sider: yes (just kidding) |
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| 01:31.19 | streuner_ | Amnesia: they work just fine here |
| 01:31.20 | karsten-nr | sider: If there's different HW on it, the kernel should load modules appropriately through hotplug and other magick. |
| 01:31.22 | sider | yay i feel the linuxist freedom not found in windows :) |
| 01:31.30 | Amnesia | streuner_: the screens blanks |
| 01:31.36 | Amnesia | after 10 min |
| 01:31.49 | sider | yup it all happen automagikally :) |
| 01:31.50 | Amnesia | and the only fix is xset -dpms and xset s off |
| 01:31.58 | sider | thanks people |
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| 01:32.08 | nvz | yeah winxp shits its pants when you change the mobo... debian > winxp |
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| 01:33.11 | wolfric | Reckon we should have mentioned that sider installs firmware-linux-nonfree just incase |
| 01:33.29 | wolfric | suggested rather |
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| 01:33.47 | nvz | could've also told him to wear a condom just in case |
| 01:33.54 | streuner_ | lol |
| 01:34.05 | Vasistha | wolfric: why don't you simply go with xfce or lxde and be done with it? I installed squeeze with xfce on a friend's 10-year-old 500 MHz / 192 MB laptop and it's fine. Although I think it's possible to install Xorg without a DE/WM |
| 01:34.12 | babilen | tin-foil hat! |
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| 01:36.42 | joeb_ | ok so i did auto-apt search libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 .. i found it lib32 like you guys aid or regualr /usr/lib .. how do install it now ? |
| 01:37.25 | babilen | joeb_: "aptitude install ia32-libs-gtk" as hinted at earlier :) |
| 01:38.11 | nevyn | right. so have you got ia32-libs-gtk installed? (BTW the fact this contains qt libs is kinda naff. should it be named ia32-libs-gui ? |
| 01:38.24 | joeb_ | oh |
| 01:38.26 | joeb_ | so libs/ia32-libs-gtk |
| 01:38.35 | joeb_ | i install the ia32 |
| 01:38.38 | joeb_ | ok one sec |
| 01:39.26 | joeb_ | wow this opens a whole new world for apt for me . apt-file and auto-apt |
| 01:39.33 | nevyn | Vasistha: using xorg without a DE is totally doable. |
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| 01:40.28 | joeb_ | why isn't apt-file and auto-apt in regular documentation .. does it depend on what your doing ? |
| 01:40.50 | streuner_ | dpkg, installit |
| 01:40.50 | dpkg | Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 01:43.39 | joeb_ | Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libclearlooks.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 |
| 01:46.13 | peterrooney | joeb_: possibly the hundreds of MB of disk space required? would be my first guess |
| 01:46.21 | babilen | joeb_: You are aware that there are a gazillion twitter clients that work just fine on amd64 and don't depend on the clusterfuck that is adobe air aren't you? |
| 01:46.52 | peterrooney | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.56 | joeb_ | well this is a good learning exxperience right |
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| 01:53.59 | nvz | man, I need to track down at some point what it is in squeeze that now prompts me for a rootpw to shutdown.. that pisses me off.. |
| 01:54.44 | nvz | I know I can just hit the power button and it'll shutdown.. but I'm used to doing it a certain way.. and it thinks just cause I have a root terminal open or something that there are multiple users logged in.. |
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| 01:55.01 | dondelelcaro | nvz: what are you using to shut down? |
| 01:55.13 | babilen | nvz: member of powerdev? |
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| 01:55.22 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I normally just use the System > Shut Down in GNOME |
| 01:55.31 | dondelelcaro | ah; I have no clue what gnome is doing |
| 01:55.48 | nvz | dondelelcaro: when multiple users are logged in, or so it thinks, I get what looks a bit like a gksu dialog asking for the rootpw |
| 01:55.56 | nvz | its a PITA |
| 01:55.57 | sdnalanis | doen anyone know of a free debian linux 5.0.4 draining that i can download? |
| 01:56.09 | nvz | a what? |
| 01:56.31 | babilen | nvz: member of powerdev? |
| 01:56.42 | sdnalanis | doen anyone know of a free debian linux 5.0.4 t4raining that i can download? |
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| 01:56.45 | omakase | yo |
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| 01:56.52 | nvz | babilen: yes.. it only does it when other users are logged in |
| 01:57.04 | omakase | when tuning tcp receive window (increasing for a high throughput connection) is it best to adjust the default (rmem_default) and max (rmem_max) together or just the max? |
| 01:57.08 | nvz | babilen: or so it thinks anyhow.. due to rootlogins in screen or such |
| 01:57.18 | babilen | nvz: ah, ok. let me think about it. I'll let you know when something pops into my mind. |
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| 01:57.52 | nvz | I'm considering reinstalling on this thinkpad cause the squeeze upgrade seems to have not worked very well |
| 01:57.55 | babilen | !tell sdnalanis -about reference |
| 01:58.03 | babilen | !tell sdnalanis -about newbiedoc |
| 01:58.08 | babilen | !tell sdnalanis -about fundamentals |
| 01:58.12 | joeb_ | ok i give up |
| 01:58.17 | joeb_ | what are some good twitter clients for debian |
| 01:58.18 | nvz | there all all sorts of differences between this machine and the one I installed squeeze directly on |
| 01:58.52 | tharkun | joeb_: bitlbee seems to do also twitter |
| 01:58.52 | babilen | sdnalanis: Check the links mentioned by dpkg -- and ask dpkg about the stuff in < > to get more |
| 01:59.34 | babilen | joeb_: You might like gwibber, but "apt-cache search twitter client" should give you a long list of things to try. |
| 02:00.27 | sdnalanis | sorry i did not see thos links... can you repost them? |
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| 02:01.38 | babilen | sdnalanis: You should have received a private message from dpkg or not? |
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| 02:02.01 | dondelelcaro | alternatively, it could be a bug with that particular hardware and kernel; if you can install using any verison of Debian, you can upgrade to squeeze, and probably go to a more recent kernel |
| 02:02.06 | dondelelcaro | ECHAN |
| 02:02.22 | babilen | !reference |
| 02:02.22 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
| 02:02.24 | babilen | !newbiedoc |
| 02:02.32 | babilen | !fundamentals |
| 02:02.32 | dpkg | You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/ Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ |
| 02:02.38 | babilen | !newbiedoc |
| 02:02.38 | dpkg | http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/ -- newbies check it out! Veterans too, so you can contribute! :) |
| 02:02.51 | babilen | sdnalanis: ^^^^^ here |
| 02:03.36 | babilen | sdnalanis: Just ask if you have problems to understand any of those. |
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| 02:14.23 | YuviPanda | I'm installing Debian Testing on my system via Netinsta using a CD om |
| 02:14.25 | YuviPanda | *ROM |
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| 02:14.37 | YuviPanda | unfortunately, halfway through, it appears my CD ROM has stopped working |
| 02:15.22 | YuviPanda | I've tried opening up another console and mounting the iso loopback or creating a symlink to the extracted files (both at /cdrom) |
| 02:15.25 | YuviPanda | neither seem to work |
| 02:15.40 | YuviPanda | i'm way past the partition stage, so my system is hosed |
| 02:15.45 | YuviPanda | any ideas what I could do? |
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| 02:16.30 | dvs | YuviPanda: What part did it stop at? |
| 02:17.00 | YuviPanda | dvs, 'Select and install software' |
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| 02:26.31 | piercedwater | Would I be absolutely ridiculous if I went searching for a cli tv recorder or does one exist? |
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| 02:31.32 | boudiccas | piercedwater, yes! |
| 02:31.44 | piercedwater | on which account boudiccas |
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| 02:36.23 | dArK_IcE | DCC CHAT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
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| 02:37.30 | peterrooney | piercedwater: it stands to reason - consider tyhe mere existance of aalib for xine - video on console, as ascii art. |
| 02:37.47 | peterrooney | piercedwater: so while it amy not exist, it's a fair question. |
| 02:37.55 | peterrooney | s/tyhe/the/ |
| 02:38.03 | simonrvn | !ops dArK_IcE |
| 02:38.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: simonrvn complains about: dArK_IcE |
| 02:39.10 | phix | any real reason why I should upgrade to grub2? |
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| 02:39.35 | dArK_IcE | simonrvn whats ops? |
| 02:39.36 | dArK_IcE | lol |
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| 02:40.05 | pluhngz | Japan Orders Evacuation Near 2nd Nuclear Plant - Senior engineers at the Daiichi and Daini and operated by Tokyo Electric Power have stated that if they are not provided coolant within 48 hours, Tokyo could become the next Chernobyl with Tokyo becoming uninhabitable for 150 years. |
| 02:40.07 | pluhngz | http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/12/world/asia/12nuclear.html |
| 02:40.46 | phix | THat's gold |
| 02:40.51 | phix | but doesn't anwer my question |
| 02:40.54 | Joint | lol |
| 02:41.11 | Joint | pluhngz, this is not #tokyo so keep it in the debian subject please |
| 02:41.37 | Bop_ | dcc send AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 02:41.58 | pluhngz | nice, a portugese script kiddy |
| 02:42.02 | Joint | yeah |
| 02:42.04 | Bop_ | lol :p |
| 02:42.10 | Joint | !ops Bop_ is been annoying |
| 02:42.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: joint complains about: Bop_ is been annoying |
| 02:42.11 | Joint | lol |
| 02:42.13 | phix | I don't get it |
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| 02:42.39 | [notme] | lol :p |
| 02:42.40 | peterrooney | checks calender - is it October already? |
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| 02:43.11 | peterrooney | dpkg: listkeys grub2 |
| 02:43.12 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'grub2' by key (4): grub2 ;; grub2 squeeze ;; grub2 config ;; grub2 badram. |
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| 02:43.39 | peterrooney | dpkg: grub2 |
| 02:43.39 | dpkg | [grub2] GNU GRUB 2 is the successor to GRUB Legacy (GNU GRUB version 0.9x), currently in development. Packaged as grub-pc (PC/BIOS version) and grub-ieee1275 (Open Firmware version). Manual: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html . See also <grub2 squeeze>, <grub2 config>, http://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition . #grub on irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:44.22 | phix | ok so what is the reason for using it instead of the earlier version? |
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| 02:44.51 | cjae | Hi, I am doing a netinstall of squeeze and expert install, and asking to install kernel 2.6 or 2.6.32? I want the newest one right, I am confused because of the way the first kernel is displayed with a short name. I assume you would want it in the event you need ability of kernel 2.6 but smaller image size that recent kernels |
| 02:45.44 | cjae | or is this a bad assumption |
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| 02:46.15 | nevyn | 2.6 means the latest 2.6 in debian |
| 02:46.21 | pluhngz | the only thing worse for the world and various global societies, then a devastating earth quake are homosexuals that have shit encrusted anal sex with each other, because it doesnt populate the planet as designed by nature |
| 02:46.23 | nevyn | 2.6.32 means exactly 2.6.32 |
| 02:46.23 | pluhngz | the only thing worse for the world and various global societies, then a devastating earth quake are homosexuals that have shit encrusted anal sex with each other, because it doesnt populate the planet as designed by nature |
| 02:46.46 | nevyn | !ops plughngz srsly. |
| 02:46.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nevyn complains about: plughngz srsly. |
| 02:46.51 | dusthillguy | Hah what was that |
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| 02:47.14 | KB1JWQ | nevyn: Pay attention plz. :-) He was klined. |
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| 02:47.19 | cjae | ive never saw a kernel displayed as 2.X only as 2.X.X or 2.X.X-X |
| 02:47.46 | nevyn | cjae: 2.6 is a metapackage that tracks the latest kernel in debian. |
| 02:48.01 | cjae | ahh thanks for clearing that up |
| 02:48.10 | nevyn | 2.6.32 means don't auto-upgrade to 2.6.37 when it becomes availible |
| 02:49.09 | cjae | k thank you |
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| 02:50.02 | nevyn | wonders if there'll ever be a linux 3.0 |
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| 02:55.10 | joeb_ | can i install a sid package in squeeze ? |
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| 02:55.48 | peterrooney | joeb_: possible, better is backports. |
| 02:55.55 | joeb_ | what is backports ? |
| 02:55.57 | peterrooney | dpkg: listkeys bpo |
| 02:55.59 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'bpo' by key (15 of 18): #debian bpo ;; _default bpo ;; bpo ;; bpo etch ;; bpo kernel ;; bpo kernel lenny ;; bpo key ;; bpo mirrors ;; bpo pin ;; bpo pinning ;; bpo sarge ;; bpo users ;; debports ;; fglrx bpo #del# ;; pidgin bpo. |
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| 02:56.32 | wolfric | where can i find documentation on the letters down the side of apt-cache search such as p i A (i take it 'i' is for installed) 'p' for package? |
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| 02:57.26 | mee | wolfric: /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README |
| 02:57.34 | nevyn | p is purged |
| 02:59.04 | mee | wolfric: line 1830 or so |
| 02:59.23 | wolfric | mee: cheers |
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| 03:00.58 | chrissbx | For using distcc, I need a i386 compiler on a x86_64 Debian machine; |
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| 03:01.04 | chrissbx | how would I get that? |
| 03:01.16 | chrissbx | Can the x86_64 compiler be used, or else what? |
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| 03:06.08 | WormFood | does the debian installer not include drivers for usb cdrom drives? I'm trying to do a netinstall on a machine with no cd/dvd drive, so I booted off a usb dvd drive, but it seems the installer can't find the cd |
| 03:06.14 | sameerthahir | hello all, when I boot from the debian iso , the installer says no cdrom detected, how do i make it recognize the iso image as the cdrom |
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| 03:08.43 | nevyn | sameerthahir: how did you attach the iso to the machine? |
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| 03:09.08 | sameerthahir | nevyn, : usb hard disk |
| 03:09.13 | sameerthahir | nevyn, mount as loopback |
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| 03:12.44 | sameerthahir | gotta go now, later bye |
| 03:16.32 | DummyMode | c u, gotta sleep :D |
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| 03:25.16 | dbb | hi - I just installed postgresql-9.0, but I need the headers.. usually there is a package called -dev or something |
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| 03:27.00 | dbb | ok - its *inside* postgresql-9.0 dir.. thx |
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| 03:29.04 | dusthillguy | BIG PENIS GIGANTOS |
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| 03:31.01 | man_in_ltop | waves |
| 03:31.20 | man_in_ltop | anyone handy with nfs permissions issues? i have some peculiar problems here http://dpaste.com/490951/ |
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| 03:32.20 | man_in_ltop | wait a sec ... anongid=music |
| 03:32.23 | man_in_ltop | that explains something |
| 03:32.28 | Amnesia | ugh |
| 03:32.37 | Amnesia | compiling vlc now cause the debian packages are borked |
| 03:33.03 | Amnesia | it's a hell of a job:/ |
| 03:34.24 | man_in_ltop | right |
| 03:34.29 | man_in_ltop | root is getting squashed |
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| 03:34.45 | man_in_ltop | probably everyone is getting squashed |
| 03:35.00 | piercedwater | i like to eat squash |
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| 03:35.23 | dusthillguy | Amnesia, yeah, I had to compile Rosegarden because the debian version was totally unusable |
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| 03:35.49 | Amnesia | been installing the dependencies for an hour now:/ |
| 03:36.21 | dusthillguy | Ouch |
| 03:36.22 | Amnesia | finally compiling |
| 03:38.29 | Amnesia | and its almost 5 in the morning:/ |
| 03:38.53 | Amnesia | but I don't get why the screen blanking bug still hasnt been fixed |
| 03:38.57 | Amnesia | its there in 1.3.3 and also in 1.1.7 |
| 03:39.13 | Amnesia | 1.1.3* |
| 03:39.33 | Amnesia | only thing that helps is completely disabling dpms |
| 03:42.12 | craigevil | never liked vlc, mplayer plays everything with no weird issues |
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| 03:43.15 | Amnesia | goddamnit |
| 03:43.21 | Amnesia | and now its lagging |
| 03:43.39 | Amnesia | craigevil: know any nice interface? |
| 03:43.53 | macrobat | smplayer? |
| 03:44.01 | craigevil | i use smplayer in lxde |
| 03:44.33 | Amnesia | smplayer looks ugly:p |
| 03:44.41 | Amnesia | and does mplayer support rtmp and v4l2? |
| 03:44.55 | bgat | I have a pile of packages in a directory, some of which have dependencies on others but the set as a whole is complete. If I do dpkg --install *.deb, I get dependency errors during the installs. Is there a way to help dpkg do the package installations in the right order? Other than manually installing each package individually in the right order, I mean? |
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| 03:48.36 | craigevil | Amnesia: yes plays anything ive thrown at it, especially if you use mplayer/ffmpeg from the dmm repo |
| 03:48.52 | Amnesia | multimedia? |
| 03:48.57 | Amnesia | repos* |
| 03:49.20 | craigevil | !dmm |
| 03:49.20 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 03:49.39 | WormFood | sooooo.....debian won't install from a usb cdrom drive....brilliant idea |
| 03:49.48 | Amnesia | hm ok |
| 03:50.13 | bgat | WormFood: I have installed debian from a usb cdrom many times |
| 03:50.24 | WormFood | won't find the cd for me |
| 03:50.41 | WormFood | so what do I need to do to make it work? because it sure as hell won't work "out of the box" |
| 03:50.50 | bgat | WormFood: yea, that would make things more challenging :) |
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| 03:50.59 | craigevil | WormFood: installed just fine on this ancient thinkpad with an external dvd drive |
| 03:51.24 | WormFood | craigevil, then come over and install it for me, because it is not working with my thinkpad external drive :P |
| 03:51.35 | WormFood | boots just fine....won't find the cd |
| 03:51.40 | bgat | WormFood: Sometimes, I have to do the install in "expert" mode so that I can delay the scan for the drive until the drive is ready (I have a slow one) |
| 03:52.01 | bgat | ooh, are thinkpad external drives _really_ USB? |
| 03:52.06 | WormFood | I tried expert mode too....I see nothing that suggests it gives me the additional settings I need to make it work |
| 03:52.27 | craigevil | ancient thinkpad R40 with a new Liteon usb dvd drive no problems |
| 03:52.32 | bgat | WormFood: Sorry, that's pretty much all the help I can offer :( |
| 03:52.34 | WormFood | well, my drive came from a dead thinkpad...I just stuck it in an external case, with a usb-to-pata adapter |
| 03:53.12 | WormFood | external cases with adapters are pretty cheap....I actually have 2 of them, because I had 2 laptops die (one is a burner) |
| 03:53.13 | bgat | WormFood: aah, I wonder if the usb-to-pata adapter doesn't look like a "real" USB/SCSI block device, then? |
| 03:53.35 | WormFood | I couldn't imagine how it would work with everything else, then suddenly not work with debian |
| 03:53.59 | bgat | WormFood: do you have a machine that is already running Debian? If so, you could plug the drive into that machine and see if Debian can read it |
| 03:54.04 | WormFood | and since there are no USB DVD/CD drives, then all your external drives use something like this |
| 03:54.26 | WormFood | bgat, everything can read the drive just fine....I've used it on a debian machine before |
| 03:54.42 | bgat | WormFood: ok, then; now I'm out of ideas :) |
| 03:54.52 | WormFood | ok, thanks for your help anyways |
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| 04:01.00 | Amnesia | craigevil: using a wildcard with mplayer isnt possible without a playlistfile right? |
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| 04:03.02 | phix | any one got xen working on debian squeeze? it doent seem to start correctly or log anything |
| 04:03.18 | craigevil | Amnesia: no clue im a lazy GUI user :) |
| 04:03.27 | Amnesia | ah:/ |
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| 04:04.47 | craigevil | only music console players i mess with are shell-fm and moc |
| 04:05.43 | man_in_ltop | sigh |
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| 04:07.04 | Amnesia | craigevil: use the cli for everything:) |
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| 04:07.45 | craigevil | havent even got around to setting up irssi using chatzilla atm |
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| 04:08.56 | Amnesia | :) |
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| 04:16.52 | nvz | craigevil: I feel your pain |
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| 04:21.29 | humbolt | I want to create an lvm snapshot of an LV and do an fsck on it. when done, I want to commit the changes, does that work? |
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| 04:26.47 | chrissbx | I don't want avahi / zeroconf, never used it and now it breaks distcc. How can I disable it? |
| 04:27.05 | chrissbx | Removing libavahi-client3 would remove most of KDE. |
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| 04:29.03 | Hoxzer | if it is saying you thay not hosts in some file then just add a list of hostnames or ips to that file separed by spaces. |
| 04:29.43 | craigevil | chrissbx: just disable the avahi-daemon |
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| 04:34.55 | chrissbx | craigevil: it's not installed |
| 04:35.01 | chrissbx | only libavahi* |
| 04:35.32 | chrissbx | weird enough, I have ZEROCONF="false" in /etc/default/distcc |
| 04:35.56 | chrissbx | and yet I still get |
| 04:36.06 | chrissbx | distcc[26921] (daemon_proc) CRITICAL! Failed to create Avahi client object: Daemon not running |
| 04:36.31 | chrissbx | I'm now spending like 3 hours trying to get distcc to work already. |
| 04:37.12 | chrissbx | Hoxzer: aha yep I saw that message, and looked at that file, and it was empty, and off I was searching for docs how do do it. |
| 04:37.14 | chrissbx | This SUCKS |
| 04:37.28 | chrissbx | because I don't even want to have anything to do with avahi and just want to use an ip. |
| 04:37.32 | chrissbx | But ok, time to report a bug. |
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| 04:38.36 | arj1singh | Hi, how can I know if a disc like CD, DVD is boot-able without actually booting? |
| 04:39.52 | chrissbx | humbolt: no |
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| 04:40.17 | chrissbx | humbolt: at least I have no idea how you would want to commit (or is this a new feature? I doubt so..) |
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| 04:41.10 | chrissbx | humbolt: also what are you thinking, the reason you can't fsck a live volume is because it changes, so you want to take a snapshot so it doesn't change then expect it to merge back to the live volume? |
| 04:41.24 | chrissbx | or do you want to keep the fsck'ed snapshot and drop the live volume? |
| 04:41.34 | chrissbx | Anyway, neither works afaik. |
| 04:42.52 | nvz | arj1singh: uh.. use virtualbox? |
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| 04:43.55 | chrissbx | $ cat .distcc/zeroconf/hosts |
| 04:43.56 | chrissbx | 192.168.1.2 |
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| 04:44.19 | chrissbx | ^ Hoxzer : no joy. anyway, removing the deb package, compiling from source |
| 04:44.27 | arj1singh | OK, nvz. |
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| 04:48.48 | Rusty1 | arj1singh: a cd/dvd that you have created or that has been, say, given to you? |
| 04:49.55 | nvz | right cause the method is different depending on where the cd came from.. heh |
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| 04:50.04 | Talon_ | woohoo! |
| 04:50.17 | arj1singh | I have been given that DVD. |
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| 04:50.50 | xxtjaxx | Hi everyone! I setup a kvm connected to 2 networks. This machine is supposed to do PXE installs. The 2 networks are my LAN via bridging and an Isolated network in which the installs happen. Now I grabbed the configs off the debian documentation and applied them. Dhcp Offers are sent to the machine that is to be installed. But that machine says " no IP Address." What could be the reason? |
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| 04:52.24 | nvz | my money is on the fact that there is no IP address |
| 04:52.39 | xxtjaxx | log says it gets the correct IP. |
| 04:52.39 | Rusty1 | arj1singh: if you can put the media in a drive and see its contents, some things to look for would be autorun or syslinux files |
| 04:53.15 | nvz | log? |
| 04:53.29 | davetoo | is searching for the M to RTF regarding which DVD ISOs I should grab.... |
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| 04:53.50 | nvz | davetoo: for? |
| 04:54.28 | Talon_ | I finally got squeeze installed on my main pc :) |
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| 04:54.41 | davetoo | to upload to my VMware ESXi filesystem for installs |
| 04:54.44 | linuxuz3r | hello |
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| 04:54.49 | davetoo | squeeze |
| 04:54.58 | davetoo | I think I found the doc I need |
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| 04:55.28 | xxtjaxx | nvz: dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.100.21 to 52:54:00:60:1c:76 via eth2 |
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| 04:58.54 | un214 | ah |
| 04:58.59 | un214 | no updates since yesterday |
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| 05:04.54 | xxtjaxx | okay first issue fixed. now it says file not found though the path should be correct (192.168.100.1:/srv/tftp/pxelinux.0) |
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| 05:35.10 | Talon_ | is it somewhat simple to rename entries inside grub menu? grub got my other os wrong, called it vista when its 7. still works, would just like to name it proper |
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| 05:43.01 | cjae | I need some help making a decison, I have a gnome/debian desktop system up, I wish to install the nvidia drivers by hand not with a package manager (I know all the reasons to not want to do this) this is mainly for education. I am also going to build a custom kernel later (I also know the reasons + &-) this is also for education. I have built a kernel before but have never installed official drivers by hand before |
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| 05:43.53 | cjae | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#WhyuseaDebian-specificmethod.3F is the page I am reading now but am confused on which way to go about since I plan to change kernel later |
| 05:44.14 | cjae | this is on a non production system for practice |
| 05:44.47 | cjae | any recommendations? |
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| 05:49.01 | xxtjaxx | I dont understand this my dhcpd gives it the proper IP 192.168.100.1 and the proper path /srv/tftp and as netstat tells me tftpd is running (in.tftpd as normal under debian) and still the client says filenot found |
| 05:49.39 | un214 | are you running tftp over tcp? |
| 05:49.47 | un214 | boot time tftp only uses udp |
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| 05:50.57 | alanisfan2009 | is there any way to make windows 7 ultimate to see debian 5.0.4 partitions and be able to read/write them |
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| 05:51.53 | un214 | there's a tool for ext2 that can copy files back & forth |
| 05:52.11 | un214 | for any more, you get to deal with driver signing fun |
| 05:52.24 | un214 | but then again if you have ext3 you have trouble anyway as the driver only does ext2 |
| 05:52.26 | alanisfan2009 | but i think my debian partitions are ext 3 |
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| 05:52.53 | cjae | I have never seen so many way to do something before :( |
| 05:54.21 | alanisfan2009 | so i shal set everything up all over again this time manually creating the partitions and using ext2 rather than ext3 |
| 05:54.42 | macrobat | ext3 is just ext2 with a journal |
| 05:55.34 | alanisfan2009 | and where can i find this tool for ext2 partitions for windows 7? |
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| 05:56.05 | macrobat | maybe ext3 can't be mounted from windows, but it seems odd |
| 05:57.12 | macrobat | so much easier to mount ntfs from debian. is win7 using another filesystem? |
| 05:57.50 | alanisfan2009 | windows7 is on a ntfs part. |
| 05:59.08 | shhuck | alanisfan2009: http://www.runtime.org/diskexplorer.htm |
| 06:00.08 | un214 | win7 has a newer version of ntfs |
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| 06:02.34 | peterrooney | un214: ah, the nightmare of junctions... that cost me a week of headaches. |
| 06:03.03 | un214 | headache is "symbolic link loop" when there's no loop |
| 06:03.36 | peterrooney | un214: you may imagine how rsync dealt with it. |
| 06:03.47 | un214 | let me guess, it didn't |
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| 06:06.18 | joeb_ | anyone use gtwitter on a 64 bit debian |
| 06:06.42 | joeb_ | i really should reinstall and use i686 .. its like 64bit dosen't have that many packages |
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| 06:07.52 | un214 | really |
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| 06:08.12 | un214 | I haven't found one missing yet |
| 06:08.35 | un214 | many unwanted, 0 missing |
| 06:09.51 | joeb_ | anyone else agree ? |
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| 06:13.02 | jst | when i install mysqld it prompts me to enter a password or keep the default. does anyone know if default == <null>? |
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| 06:19.24 | capitan | does anyone have a linode referral / coupon code for me? :-D |
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| 06:26.18 | sdnalanis | question: if during setup i aswer no to the scan additional cds/dvds is there a way to update the database when i obtain additional cds/dvds? |
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| 06:29.25 | El_Caballero_ | hey, Debian people. Where can I find the Etch's repository? |
| 06:29.34 | El_Caballero_ | to do a debootstrap |
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| 06:32.07 | jmd | Can anyone recommend a program to capture a screen sequence into a .ogg ? (not instanbul - it's broken in squeeze). |
| 06:34.41 | sdnalanis | anyone? if during setup i aswer no to the scan additional cds/dvds is there a way to update the database when i obtain additional cds/dvds? |
| 06:36.00 | El_Caballero_ | sdnalanis: I think that it is always possible. However, I recommend you to wait a commet from a Debian expert. |
| 06:36.33 | sdnalanis | OK i will hold |
| 06:37.13 | project2501a | please, do note: there are NO experts in any field any more |
| 06:37.43 | El_Caballero_ | project2501a: lol. ok |
| 06:37.51 | El_Caballero_ | sdnalanis: Please, read it http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=41177 |
| 06:38.20 | project2501a | the last expert among the human species died during the European Enlightenment in the 16th century |
| 06:38.50 | project2501a | sdnalanis: yes, there is. man apt.source |
| 06:38.53 | project2501a | sdnalanis: yes, there is. man apt.sources |
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| 06:39.17 | project2501a | why would you want to "scan the cd"? why don't you update from an online repository? |
| 06:39.24 | sdnalanis | great i will try that |
| 06:39.34 | sdnalanis | thanks for all the help! |
| 06:39.59 | project2501a | apt is programmed to read package indexes either from cd or online |
| 06:40.19 | El_Caballero_ | project2501a: btw, do you know where I can find etch? :-/ |
| 06:40.27 | project2501a | yes, give me a min |
| 06:40.45 | project2501a | preferred method is to download the packages from online |
| 06:41.02 | El_Caballero_ | It has been removed from every servers :'( for example http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/ |
| 06:41.06 | jmd | project2501a, Prefered by whom? |
| 06:42.17 | El_Caballero_ | jmd: maybe he has so slow internet, and he wanted to install from cd-rom. |
| 06:42.34 | jmd | El_Caballero_, Quite. |
| 06:42.52 | project2501a | jmd: the only person that counts, me :P |
| 06:43.07 | El_Caballero_ | project2501a: LOL! xD |
| 06:43.13 | project2501a | El_Caballero_: google debian etch archive |
| 06:43.15 | project2501a | first hit |
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| 06:43.58 | jmd | Your comment reminds me of a car rental company a few years back which had a loyalty scheme in which it refered to the participants as "prefered customers". |
| 06:44.09 | project2501a | heh |
| 06:44.13 | El_Caballero_ | project2501a: reading... |
| 06:44.19 | jmd | Presumably the rest of them they preferred not to do business with. |
| 06:44.52 | project2501a | jmd: in an online world, where most of us is wired with a good t1 at least, why would you ever want to update from CD? |
| 06:45.14 | jmd | project2501a, Most of US?? |
| 06:45.23 | project2501a | us, as in us sysadmins. |
| 06:45.33 | project2501a | i don't care about the plebians in the US of A |
| 06:45.38 | jmd | There are 6x10^9 people who do not live in US. |
| 06:45.52 | project2501a | -1 |
| 06:45.56 | project2501a | cuz she just died. |
| 06:46.05 | jmd | and many of them are not sysadmins. |
| 06:46.15 | project2501a | plebians :P |
| 06:46.28 | El_Caballero_ | project2501a: hell, you are great |
| 06:46.37 | jmd | Personally I've never had a T1 to play with :( |
| 06:46.44 | El_Caballero_ | project2501a: I am already installing etch =D |
| 06:47.18 | El_Caballero_ | project2501a: Thanks you!! |
| 06:47.32 | grechk | Hello everyone, I have a problem with debian squeeze 64bit. The computer with motherboard asus M3A, processor Phenom 9950, 8 gb ram, video card nvidia 240gt restarts at random. It could be operated for 3 hours or 3 days, when he decides he's tired:) |
| 06:48.31 | project2501a | jmd: you will not find a T1 any more. but i got a 10Gbit circuit to holland to play with ;) |
| 06:48.55 | project2501a | grechk: check the nvidia card temperature. |
| 06:49.32 | El_Caballero_ | grechk: Did you read the dmesg log? |
| 06:49.50 | project2501a | nvidia temp would not be in dmesg |
| 06:50.06 | project2501a | El_Caballero_: i am curious, why are you installing etch? |
| 06:50.06 | grechk | I had already had this problem before with ubuntu 9.10 and I blamed it on ubuntu. I upgraded to lenny and I've had no problems, now squeeze has started. I do not know what to do, the log is not anything unusual. |
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| 06:50.20 | El_Caballero_ | but, some other errs can be in dmesg |
| 06:50.34 | project2501a | grechk: install the latest nvidia graphics drivers. |
| 06:50.49 | project2501a | grechk: try to also avoid ubuntu. it causes brain tumors. |
| 06:51.23 | El_Caballero_ | project2501a: because I am trying to build a cluster. I installed kerrighed, but it gave me the error "unknow symbol _proxy_pda". In google I found a person that solved it installing etch. |
| 06:51.32 | project2501a | oooh |
| 06:51.35 | project2501a | dude, nice :D |
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| 06:51.46 | project2501a | i have been trying to install kerrighed |
| 06:51.56 | grechk | I currently 195.36.31 |
| 06:52.15 | El_Caballero_ | project2501a: did you can to start it? |
| 06:52.27 | project2501a | no, not for lenny or squeeze. |
| 06:52.30 | El_Caballero_ | project2501a: did you start it*? |
| 06:52.31 | project2501a | they need to update it. |
| 06:52.38 | project2501a | when i get mad c skills, i will update it :P |
| 06:52.43 | grechk | ubuntu I'm already avoiding ... from 4 computer that was installed, has remained at 1 .. the htpc |
| 06:52.52 | El_Caballero_ | project2501a: so... try with etch =D! |
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| 06:53.23 | project2501a | El_Caballero_: nah. etch has too old libraries. plus there are no etch backports available |
| 06:53.46 | project2501a | which is why there should be an effing hg repo with the upgrade path of the packages :P |
| 06:53.57 | El_Caballero_ | project2501a: do you prefer no cluster than a cluster with old libraries? |
| 06:54.10 | project2501a | i got a cluster |
| 06:54.19 | project2501a | it just does not use kherrighed |
| 06:54.40 | El_Caballero_ | project2501a: :-o! nice. What do you use? |
| 06:55.03 | grechk | last night I pulled off the cool & quiet ... to you that might create problems? |
| 06:55.13 | El_Caballero_ | project2501a: I would like to test with openssi, but kerrighed is the best |
| 06:55.28 | project2501a | grechk: yes |
| 06:55.34 | project2501a | that will definately do it |
| 06:55.56 | project2501a | everything else other than kerrighed. kerighed is a way to have a unified memory model |
| 06:56.02 | project2501a | so, it is not exactly needed |
| 06:56.25 | chipotle | hi, what is the best compression method for large (10-15GB) files? i am creating off-site backups but need to compress, first, and would like to know what to use? |
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| 06:56.40 | El_Caballero_ | project2501a: I have just 128, 256 and 160 MB of memory. I would like to have them unified xD |
| 06:56.48 | project2501a | chipotle: it depends on the type of files. |
| 06:57.13 | project2501a | chipotle: jpg files for example, or already compressed files, there is no point in compressing them. |
| 06:57.40 | chipotle | project2501a: lots of small (most under 50k, 90% of the rest under 150k) docx, doc, txt, rtf, etc documents found in ~/Documents (archviing my entire computer between years 2006-2008) |
| 06:57.41 | project2501a | El_Caballero_: go buy some memory :P |
| 06:58.11 | El_Caballero_ | project2501a: so... what did you use for the cluster? |
| 06:58.13 | chipotle | project2501a: so i should just tar my entire ~/Photos dir, since they are all jpg (even though i have them on "maximum" when i saved them) or png? |
| 06:58.21 | project2501a | chipotle: do you need to be able to retrieve each file? |
| 06:58.30 | grechk | ok, then wait a few days ... the problem still happens if I try to update the drivers for your video card, otherwise I'll have to find a solution to the cool & quiet. thanks:) |
| 06:58.36 | project2501a | chipotle: yeah, on jpg, just a tar. |
| 06:58.41 | chipotle | project2501a: hopefully not... but they are backups... (what do you mean?) |
| 06:59.29 | project2501a | chipotle: if you need to access a .doc file for example, it would be inefficient to tar.gz ALL your documents. you should compress each file individually |
| 06:59.40 | project2501a | chipotle: personally, i got a 12TB nas at home |
| 06:59.46 | chipotle | so compression works by removing non-readable pieces of information inside files? but when you open a tarball, those pieces of information (i assume they are non-unique?) are put back in place so i can read them again...? |
| 06:59.55 | project2501a | over 4gbit lines, so i don't care about space. |
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| 07:00.40 | chipotle | project2501a: oh, these are for off-site backups. so i would organize these doc files by year, then slice them to 4GB chunks each, to burn on DVD and put in a safe deposit box |
| 07:01.15 | project2501a | chipotle: no, compression is highly dependent on the type of file, but generally, they try to find repeated patterns of bits in the file and substitute them in a transpositional matrix |
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| 07:01.35 | project2501a | chipotle: is this for corporate or personal use? |
| 07:01.43 | chipotle | project2501a: personal |
| 07:02.13 | jmd | project2501a, !0GB is certainly quite fast. But as Tanenbaum says in his book: "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a truck full of tapes driving along the freeway". |
| 07:02.14 | project2501a | chipotle: i would advise against burning them on dvd, because the paint on dvd chips |
| 07:02.24 | project2501a | jmd: <3 :D |
| 07:02.44 | project2501a | jmd: i was at the amazon datacenter in nyc last month, pulling data out of the cloud. |
| 07:02.50 | jmd | Do the math, and you'll see that it's many times 10GB even with the most conservative estimates. |
| 07:03.22 | project2501a | i want my irc. |
| 07:03.35 | project2501a | almost 20 years on irc |
| 07:03.40 | project2501a | <-- old. |
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| 07:05.51 | chipotle | project2501a: then what options do i have? i just want to have cheap, off-site backups. i don't want to use s3. gets too expensive |
| 07:06.20 | project2501a | chipotle: if you are interested in archiving your personal data that you have to archive them in tape, find a friend with a tape drive |
| 07:06.28 | project2501a | preferably an LTO |
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| 07:06.42 | project2501a | buy an lto tape, back your files up |
| 07:07.05 | project2501a | cds will start to chip after 2-3 years, unless you buy REALLY expensive cds or make glass matrixes |
| 07:07.14 | project2501a | which is a lot more expensive. |
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| 07:09.19 | project2501a | chipotle: if you search on ebay, you can get an lto drive for really cheap |
| 07:09.43 | jmd | chipotle, How much do you want to backup and how often? |
| 07:10.22 | project2501a | chipotle: remember, backing up is one part: you got to test your backups on a regular basis |
| 07:10.28 | project2501a | for you it might be once a year |
| 07:11.01 | chipotle | project2501a: ah, yeah... i have a 2TB drive i use for on-site backups. i was just hoping to put to use the 100 DVD-Rs i have sitting around that will continue to collect dust :/ |
| 07:11.02 | rigved | chipotle: easier and safer way is to make remote backups to the cloud |
| 07:11.17 | project2501a | fuck the cloud |
| 07:11.28 | chipotle | project2501a: what about avi and mkv video files... will compressing them (e.g. tar.gz) make them smaller in any way? |
| 07:11.47 | chipotle | rigved: to expensive for my personal stuff |
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| 07:12.26 | rigved | chipotle: ok. i found out by experimenting that .tar.xz provides higher compression |
| 07:12.31 | project2501a | chipotle: avi might be compressible, but not very plausible: you will get something like a 5% compression on an average.. mkv? forget it. they are at max compression, already. |
| 07:12.48 | project2501a | chipotle: i seriously hope you do not want to backup anime :P |
| 07:12.48 | jmd | rigved, tar provides no compression. |
| 07:12.58 | jmd | gzip does the compression. |
| 07:13.22 | jmd | bzip2 is usually more efficient at compressing, but lacks features that gzip has. |
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| 07:13.48 | El_Caballero_ | How can I compress to LTO? :-o |
| 07:14.16 | project2501a | you don't. it has hardware compression |
| 07:14.31 | project2501a | a dell powervalut right now is going for 500 bux |
| 07:14.36 | project2501a | shit, i would buy that. |
| 07:14.41 | chipotle | no reason to use s3 for my personal computer backups. most of my files are all on my 640GB laptop HDD, which i carry in my bag at all times. i have a 2 TB external disk that i built that i have media files on and if a fire occurs (or theft, flood, whatever), i can lose those. i backup my ~/ directory to it as well (excluding ~/Movies) on a daily basis. and i use rdiff-backup on a weekly basis of my most important dire |
| 07:14.41 | chipotle | tories (~/Documents and ~/Desktop) to a linode VPS |
| 07:14.46 | El_Caballero_ | :-o, ok ok. |
| 07:15.09 | chipotle | i was just hoping to add another layer of protection by using up some of the DVDR's i had and placing them in my safety deposit box at my bank |
| 07:15.41 | chipotle | project2501a: so what is the most compression to expect from docx/doc files? |
| 07:15.46 | rigved | jmd: i said tar.xz |
| 07:15.59 | rigved | tar to concatenate the file and xz to compress |
| 07:16.08 | project2501a | chipotle: something like 40 to 90% |
| 07:16.28 | chipotle | project2501a: what does it depend on? |
| 07:16.34 | project2501a | what is in the file |
| 07:16.50 | project2501a | word repeativity |
| 07:17.02 | project2501a | read an article on compression, dude :P |
| 07:17.37 | project2501a | chipotle: the fact is that if you going to backup to dvds you are probably going to lose the files. |
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| 07:18.34 | El_Caballero_ | btw, what is the best compression format to files that I want to access every day? |
| 07:18.48 | chipotle | project2501a: well, if i back them up to an extra HDD i have, i should use tar.gz, right? |
| 07:18.51 | El_Caballero_ | because, I do not want to uncompress alll to see 1 file :-o |
| 07:18.58 | chipotle | what is the difference between tar.gz and 7z? |
| 07:19.14 | chipotle | project2501a: do you know a good article that will explain compression and how it works? |
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| 07:19.18 | rigved | ya i one scratch to the dvd and the files are lost. use xz compression --> .tar.xz |
| 07:19.31 | project2501a | chipotle: if you are going to backup to drive, just buy two more hard drives and just copy, don't compress. |
| 07:19.37 | chipotle | rigved: i have never heard of tar.xz before |
| 07:19.49 | chipotle | project2501a: why not compress? |
| 07:19.51 | project2501a | he meant .gz |
| 07:19.54 | chipotle | ok |
| 07:19.55 | project2501a | chipotle: you can ask google, there are a bunch of articles |
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| 07:20.33 | rigved | chipotle: xz uses lzma2. more compression this way. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xz |
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| 07:21.25 | project2501a | chipotle: because you are not on limited by space, on a hard drive. and you will have enough trouble reading the hard drive in 4-5 years from now. why add a level of complexity |
| 07:21.51 | chipotle | project2501a: i have, i am getting man pages and about.com (whcih sucks) |
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| 07:22.30 | chipotle | project2501a: so what is the best way to protect data that you need to be able to read in 10 years +? usb flash drives? |
| 07:22.56 | project2501a | chipotle: in your case, tape. |
| 07:22.58 | project2501a | cheap enough |
| 07:23.07 | chipotle | project2501a: so just tar it, to archive it, or not even that? just a straight cp? |
| 07:23.13 | project2501a | yup |
| 07:23.18 | project2501a | on hard drive? yeah |
| 07:23.21 | chipotle | i haven't seen tape drives in 10+ years, heh :/ |
| 07:23.24 | project2501a | just buy some high-end sata. |
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| 07:23.42 | project2501a | chipotle: well, i operate in bioinformatics |
| 07:23.49 | project2501a | we use WORM lto tapes |
| 07:24.09 | chipotle | project2501a: where are you located? |
| 07:24.13 | project2501a | saudi arabia |
| 07:24.30 | chipotle | my good friend is doing a MS in bioinformatics... she has a PhD in math already, but wants a better job :) |
| 07:25.08 | chipotle | i may end up doing it too, considering the job market for my work is terrible. my friend finally got a job, making 400 USD a month in india, after 12 months of searching postdocs :/ |
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| 07:25.51 | El_Caballero_ | 400 USD?? |
| 07:26.08 | El_Caballero_ | or... 4000? |
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| 07:29.17 | jmd | chipotle, It's a common problem. Once you have a PhD, you are unemployable. |
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| 07:29.51 | VentiLator | hello. is there a tool that lets you read out a certain number of words? something like "head" but instead of the first n lines i want the first n words to be echoed. |
| 07:30.15 | chipotle | jmd: yup. what's your field? |
| 07:30.19 | chipotle | El_Caballero_: 400 USD |
| 07:30.23 | chipotle | four hundred dollars |
| 07:30.54 | chipotle | he's working in india, and gets to survive, but barely, and no investing/saving possible |
| 07:31.08 | rigved | that's not possible, right? i will be starting a job this yr for 620 USD, i only hav a Bachelors in Computer Engineering |
| 07:31.16 | El_Caballero_ | chipotle: lol. I do not believe it. He can work like a teacher and earns more money |
| 07:33.02 | El_Caballero_ | VentiLator: you can make it in c++. It will be just 5 lines |
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| 07:36.15 | VentiLator | yes, i could. |
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| 07:38.54 | chipotle | El_Caballero_: he is planning on going into finance |
| 07:39.05 | chipotle | he was offered a job in zurich at 250k base + bonus |
| 07:39.09 | chipotle | he would start in july |
| 07:39.40 | jmd | chipotle, You mean he's going to cause the next financial crisis. |
| 07:40.46 | chipotle | shrugs |
| 07:40.48 | jmd | He'll take his 250k + bonus per year for the next 5 years until he's completely f***d the economy. At which point he'll ask the govt for a bailout. |
| 07:40.55 | chipotle | he won't |
| 07:42.39 | El_Caballero_ | btw guys. Is possible to work to Debian and earn money? |
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| 07:43.03 | El_Caballero_ | but, I mean development work |
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| 07:43.54 | El_Caballero_ | or... is everyone there voluntaries? |
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| 07:47.42 | chipotle | El_Caballero_: work for a company that relies on it |
| 07:48.13 | El_Caballero_ | chipotle: hmmm |
| 07:48.50 | project2501a | #!^#&!@ing repquota should be using the __for_humans__ routines. |
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| 07:55.50 | El_Caballero_ | well guys. I am going |
| 07:55.57 | El_Caballero_ | project2501a: thanks you for your help |
| 07:56.01 | El_Caballero_ | see you |
| 07:56.10 | project2501a | no prob |
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| 08:08.36 | massmc | Hello. my shells stopped opening in vnc.. any help on how to fix this? other apps seem to open fine |
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| 08:11.12 | project2501a | massmc: what do you mean your shells stopped opening in vnc? |
| 08:13.26 | massmc | well my terminal wont open, other apps seem fine.. I got a imput/output error window when i tried opening the terminal.. rebooted, still same issue, no terminal will open while i'm in vnc |
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| 08:24.19 | Iridos | how much of a performance-loss does using 686-bigmem instead of amd64 really incur? |
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| 08:30.55 | milamber | hello, i was wondering if anyone could tell me how to turn dh_auto_test off when using debuild? |
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| 08:33.21 | Dewi | anyone know of a shell utility to turn spaces into tabs? |
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| 08:33.58 | Iridos | sed |
| 08:34.41 | Dewi | Iridos: not a fixed number... taking into account alignment |
| 08:35.11 | jmd | Dewi, sed is indeed the best tool for that. |
| 08:35.44 | Dewi | which capability of sed? |
| 08:36.00 | Iridos | Dewi, there is no fixed definition for tab lengths, so that's impossible |
| 08:36.35 | Iridos | you can use awk in combination with printf's formatting to get a similar effect, I guess |
| 08:36.49 | jmd | Dewi, The non-interactive editing capability. |
| 08:37.08 | Dewi | I'm talking about examining space-separated output to detect columns |
| 08:37.30 | jmd | Ah well that's a different issue. |
| 08:37.31 | Dewi | it's not something you can do with regexps or printf |
| 08:37.45 | jmd | indent |
| 08:38.04 | Dewi | not talking about indents |
| 08:38.19 | Dewi | I'm talking about using the output of most shell commands |
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| 08:38.27 | Dewi | 'dpkg', 'ls', just about everything else |
| 08:39.04 | jmd | Dewi, Maybe you could give an example of what you're trying to do. |
| 08:39.42 | Iridos | well, perhaps you would tell us WHAT you're talking about... also, you probably want to ask #bash/##awk/##sed or similar (after you figured out what it is you want to ask) |
| 08:39.46 | Dewi | jmd: select the nth column of output from a command |
| 08:40.02 | Iridos | awk '{print $n}' # n is a number |
| 08:40.13 | Dewi | that doesn't do column detection |
| 08:40.38 | jmd | It depends on what you mean by "column". |
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| 08:41.07 | jmd | cut may be what you're looking for. |
| 08:41.12 | Dewi | it isn't |
| 08:41.14 | Dewi | sighs. |
| 08:41.18 | Iridos | ok, enough of this |
| 08:41.21 | Dewi | surely it's clear what a column is |
| 08:41.27 | Dewi | I cited several commands that output them |
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| 08:41.35 | jmd | Dewi, We cannot read your mind. |
| 08:41.41 | Dewi | you've never used ls or dpkg? |
| 08:41.46 | Dewi | or any other unix command? |
| 08:41.47 | Iridos | it actually does detect columns, if it doesn't work for you this would have been the place where you pastebin an example |
| 08:41.53 | Dewi | if you don't have an answer, don't pretend there isn't one |
| 08:41.56 | Iridos | now go away |
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| 08:42.04 | Dewi | Iridos: what does? |
| 08:42.16 | Iridos | we don't pretend anything, you pretend to be unable to ask a concise question |
| 08:42.17 | Dewi | Iridos: sed? no, it detects whitespace |
| 08:42.31 | jmd | ignores Dewi |
| 08:42.37 | Dewi | 18:33:20 < Dewi> anyone know of a shell utility to turn spaces into tabs? |
| 08:42.39 | Dewi | 18:34:40 < Dewi> Iridos: not a fixed number... taking into account alignment |
| 08:42.45 | Dewi | you keep ignoring the concise request |
| 08:42.51 | Dewi | and pretending sed, cut, do this |
| 08:42.53 | Dewi | they do not |
| 08:43.01 | Iridos | *plonk* |
| 08:43.03 | Dewi | in what respect do those tools "take into account alignment"? |
| 08:43.08 | Dewi | they don't, simple as that |
| 08:43.32 | Dewi | fuck you |
| 08:44.02 | Iridos | we are tired of trying to guess what you mean, so we stop |
| 08:44.14 | Iridos | and if you're not female and pretty, then no, thank you, no fucking |
| 08:44.16 | Dewi | what question have you asked that I did not answer? |
| 08:44.35 | Dewi | you asked for an example, I gave two |
| 08:44.40 | Dewi | what exactly is the problem? |
| 08:45.28 | Dewi | and why is it such a big problem that you cannot answer a question? If you don't have an answer, cool, but don't start patronising and abusing and threatening to ignore |
| 08:45.33 | Iridos | surely everyone but you knows what an example is? |
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| 08:46.51 | Dewi | Iridos: what does that mean? |
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| 08:47.07 | Iridos | read my mind! |
| 08:47.49 | Dewi | if you don't know what a space-separated columnated output such as is produced by ls or dpkg is, then DON'T ANSWER |
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| 08:49.55 | Dewi | (or ask a clarifying follow-up, obv.) |
| 08:50.24 | Iridos | I fucking know what it is, but you obviously can't ask a question |
| 08:50.40 | Iridos | and you should never parse the output of ls, ask #bash as to why |
| 08:50.42 | Dewi | so what you're punishing me now? |
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| 08:51.13 | Iridos | I'm not, I'm just sick of making the n-th guess as to what you mean and so I'm stopping now |
| 08:51.18 | Dewi | Iridos: if the utilities in question don't provide better output, and many don't, I don't have better options |
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| 08:51.35 | Dewi | Iridos: but you just said you know? which is it, know or are guessing? |
| 08:51.42 | Iridos | if that isn't obvious: I'm not getting paid to answer you, so there's no need for me to continue, so I'm stopping |
| 08:51.50 | Dewi | so do that then |
| 08:51.57 | Iridos | I did |
| 08:52.01 | Dewi | let me ask the question instead of scrolling it off the screen with your whining |
| 08:52.12 | Iridos | you're the fucker who keeps whining |
| 08:52.18 | Dewi | right |
| 08:52.43 | Dewi | what I'm asking is for you to communicate respectfully on the channel, rather than becoming offended that my question doesn't suit YOUR requirements |
| 08:52.55 | Iridos | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:53.14 | Dewi | oh, again? |
| 08:53.22 | Dewi | hope it works better than the first time! |
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| 08:59.20 | g00se | Can someone think offhand of package that's in stable but not oldstable? I just want to test something... |
| 09:00.23 | Iridos | oh, was just thinking "ntop"... other way around |
| 09:00.42 | Iridos | lots, I think |
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| 09:00.56 | g00se | One will do ;) |
| 09:01.02 | Iridos | but can't think of any right now :) |
| 09:01.31 | Iridos | well |
| 09:01.57 | Iridos | linux-image-2.6.32, obviously |
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| 09:03.32 | g00se | True ;) |
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| 09:13.37 | EugenMayer | Hello. Iam deploying own debian packages from my own apt server on several servers. What would be the best way to force debian to keep them up-to-date ( only them ) |
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| 09:15.42 | erAbuelo | buenos dias |
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| 09:22.22 | EugenMayer | is it possible to upgrade only packages from a specific apt-reup with aptitude? something like |
| 09:22.45 | EugenMayer | aptitude -h packages.damain.tld upgrade |
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| 09:26.13 | simonrvn | afaik no; and -h will get you the help |
| 09:26.15 | Iridos | you can just edit sources.list to only contain one repository |
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| 09:28.43 | prince_jammys | (I am not using network-manager) |
| 09:29.22 | sdnalanis | question: i am installing debian lenny and on initial book to only goes so far then the screen goes blank... i am on emachines el1850 powerhouse desktop computer |
| 09:30.19 | man_in_ltop | sdnalanis, why are you installing oldstable? |
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| 09:31.17 | sdnalanis | that isd the only dvds i have access to at moment |
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| 09:34.09 | prince_jammys | bah, this is so confusing. now it works, after disconnecting one laptop, reconnecting the other one, and bringing the first one back up/ |
| 09:34.13 | EugenMayer | hmm i can do |
| 09:34.14 | EugenMayer | apt-get update -o Dir::Etc::SourceList=/etc/apt/sourced.list.d/packages_dw.list |
| 09:34.22 | sdnalanis | unless anyone knows where i could obtain free current dvds |
| 09:34.28 | EugenMayer | bu that seems to still fetch the backports |
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| 09:34.49 | man_in_ltop | sdnalanis, you can't use a netinstall? |
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| 09:35.45 | sdnalanis | is not connected to the internet on that machinew |
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| 09:37.40 | sdnalanis | does anyone have any suggestions? |
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| 09:37.59 | treebeen | so if you want some good looking GNOME, use gtk engines like aurora or murrine and a theme thereof... |
| 09:38.33 | treebeen | sdnalanis: what for? |
| 09:38.45 | man_in_ltop | sdnalanis, do you have a burner? |
| 09:39.07 | sdnalanis | on what could possible be going on with mmy config or where i can obtain free dvds |
| 09:39.25 | sdnalanis | yes i have burner |
| 09:40.13 | man_in_ltop | why not download the squeeze dvds from debian.org? |
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| 09:41.03 | sdnalanis | connection is shared and family would get pissed for the slowdown |
| 09:41.26 | simonrvn | so get a netinst |
| 09:41.30 | chomwitt | why 'apt-cache -n search '^linux' ' wont work. isnt it a valid regex? |
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| 09:41.55 | sdnalanis | i mean they start to gripe at even a cd image let alown i dvd emage |
| 09:42.16 | man_in_ltop | netinst is the way to go then |
| 09:42.21 | man_in_ltop | maybe with speed throttling |
| 09:42.50 | simonrvn | apt-cache doesn't use regex but plain globs iirc |
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| 09:43.34 | sdnalanis | ok will try that |
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| 09:47.51 | erAbuelo | ciao |
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| 09:49.52 | jughead4 | hi |
| 09:50.31 | jughead4 | i recently install squeeze and having issues with sound , anyone having intel DH55TC motherboard , audio is very low |
| 09:50.34 | jughead4 | ALC888 |
| 09:54.21 | chomwitt | simonrvn: in man pages regex is mentioned though |
| 09:54.31 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 09:59.59 | ElDiabolo | Why does SHOW GRANTS FOR x@y give me a "ERROR 1141 (42000): There is no such grant defined" when executed as root. There is such a user and there are grants. |
| 10:00.17 | ElDiabolo | Ooops. Wrong channel |
| 10:00.41 | ElDiabolo | Sorry. |
| 10:00.42 | Dewi | !volatile |
| 10:00.43 | dpkg | Squeeze users, ask me about <squeeze volatile>. Debian Volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <oldstable> distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. http://www.debian.org/volatile/ |
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| 10:06.11 | buntfalke | W: Conflict with distribution: http://ftp.debian.org stable-updates InRelease (stable-updates expected, but squeeze-updates received) |
| 10:06.23 | buntfalke | Why isn't this fixed by now? |
| 10:06.50 | extra11 | waiting for you perhaps :) |
| 10:06.59 | buntfalke | I got "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian stable-updates main non-free contrib" in sources.list |
| 10:07.19 | buntfalke | and I don't like using "squeeze-updates" instead, cause that would chance with the next release |
| 10:07.42 | buntfalke | and stable works for all other repos, too, plus it's properly symlinked....I dont get it. |
| 10:08.00 | buntfalke | extra11: I'd rather think it's on purpose for some reason I dont see |
| 10:09.51 | simonrvn | buntfalke: checked the bts? |
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| 10:15.02 | Iridos | how are you supposed to calculate free memory again? |
| 10:15.16 | Iridos | if I take the "Mem:" row of the program free |
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| 10:15.46 | Iridos | used +free+cached adds up to 4820M, while total is only 4050 |
| 10:15.59 | buntfalke | simonrvn: I dont know what for |
| 10:16.06 | buntfalke | simonrvn: tried though :/ |
| 10:16.25 | Iridos | and shared and buffers says "0" |
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| 10:16.31 | waimondrio | Is there a way to copy and paste any text on your desktop (thus including menu-items, etc). |
| 10:16.38 | buntfalke | Iridos: free|head -n3|tail -n2 |
| 10:16.46 | buntfalke | Iridos: as in, the middle row of free is what you look for |
| 10:16.52 | waimondrio | (desktop = gnome) |
| 10:17.06 | buntfalke | waimondrio: afaik, no. it must be selectable / markable |
| 10:17.25 | thewanderer1 | Iridos: -/+ buffers/cache is proper |
| 10:17.28 | buntfalke | waimondrio: though go ask in ##gnome, too |
| 10:17.56 | Iridos | so you just take the "free" value in the buffers/cache row? |
| 10:18.12 | waimondrio | buntfalke: Ok. I know it is not a default option, but perhaps there have been written hacks to realise this. |
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| 10:18.13 | thewanderer1 | Iridos: yes, it's the compensated value (real usage) |
| 10:18.23 | Iridos | allright |
| 10:18.30 | Iridos | thanks |
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| 10:19.17 | buntfalke | waimondrio: I dont think so :-( |
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| 10:19.37 | TestIRC | Hello. |
| 10:20.02 | buntfalke | hello TestIRC |
| 10:20.09 | TestIRC | [TestIRC] (~sun@ve.rbqxln8g.vesrv.com): Test IRC ,i want to get rid the ~ for my ident , i already install the oidentd but seem it is not working. |
| 10:20.13 | TestIRC | Anyone can help me with this ? |
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| 10:23.38 | waimondrio | buntfalke: ok, thanks anyway for trying to answer the question! |
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| 10:26.34 | sdnalanis | is there a way to make a shortcut to a floder appear on all users' desktops? the reason i ask is because some of my users aere not fimiliar with the linux. |
| 10:26.56 | buntfalke | TestIRC: Try to check wether the identd is actually working :-) |
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| 10:29.02 | buntfalke | TestIRC: open a TCP connection with netcat, from port 1337 to a listening netcat port 1337 on some other host, then call netcat on the other host, and connect to 113 on the one with identd, and ask for "1337, 1337". the reply will either be a valid identd response or something isn't ocnfigured right |
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| 10:29.33 | Lenoj | I'm getting an error when I tried to install debian lenny |
| 10:29.41 | Lenoj | The error msg is "no common cd-rom drive was detected cd-rom modules" |
| 10:30.02 | Lenoj | It is new machine and I'm trying to install lenny in it. |
| 10:30.22 | Lenoj | I'm able to get ubuntu detected out of the same dvd drive. |
| 10:30.41 | Lenoj | What should I do now, to get the drive detected?? |
| 10:30.47 | skamikaze | why lenny and not squeeze dude? |
| 10:30.54 | Iridos | squeeze is the current stable |
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| 10:31.11 | Lenoj | I've working program in lenny. |
| 10:31.12 | Iridos | the lenny kernel is several years old |
| 10:31.20 | Iridos | !kmuto |
| 10:31.20 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 10:31.22 | Lenoj | I've not tried it in squeeze yet. |
| 10:31.39 | Iridos | you can probably still get images for lenny(?) |
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| 10:32.04 | Iridos | and it's still there despite of the .jp |
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| 10:35.09 | Lenoj | I ridos: What package should I install?? |
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| 10:37.54 | Lenoj | can anyone help me to get this resolved? |
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| 10:40.05 | arnestig | Lenoj, I doubt anyone cares for Lenny since Squeeze is the the new hot stuff. Why bother with Lenny now? |
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| 10:40.38 | themill | buntfalke: you're much much better off *not* using "stable" in your sources.list. Changing those lines at upgrade time is much simpler than trying to fix a botched half-upgraded machine. /msg dpkg stable sources.list |
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| 10:41.18 | Lenoj | arnestig: I've not checked my program in squeeze, yet.. I can't migrate it immediately.. That's why I try lenny. |
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| 10:43.28 | AthomIk | hello |
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| 10:45.35 | trebor_home | hello. how do i prepare a usb-hd as an all-in-one installation-source (containing all 8 dvds)? (0) prepare partition (1) #syslinux /dev/sdX1 (2) copying vmlinuz initrd.gz (3) adapting syslinux.cfg (4) howto copy dvds? (5) howto add firmware? |
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| 10:46.42 | trebor_home | (installation destination is a laptop with no network and no optical drive) |
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| 10:49.20 | trebor_home | i already did (0-3) + have all 8 DVDs + firmware.zip here. can i just copy all dvds to the usb-hd? |
| 10:49.46 | cahoot | all 8 dvd's? |
| 10:50.01 | cahoot | isn't that for all archs + src? |
| 10:50.44 | trebor_home | as far as i know it is just the 386 complete dvd-set. |
| 10:50.50 | cahoot | ok |
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| 10:52.25 | trebor_home | do i only need to copy the dvd to the hd? or do i have to edit a registration/index file, so that the installer knows where to find the packages? |
| 10:52.27 | epsilon | trebor_home: to do what? |
| 10:52.59 | trebor_home | i would like to prepare an usb-hd as an all-in-one installation medium. |
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| 10:53.21 | epsilon | I would have just mirrored packages |
| 10:53.31 | epsilon | and then netinstall-CD |
| 10:53.50 | epsilon | (or USB-install) |
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| 10:54.38 | HackeMate | hello, is it possible install debian in an iMac 24"? |
| 10:54.56 | trebor_home | epsilon: what do you mean by "mirrored packages"? |
| 10:54.58 | skamikaze | HackeMate: run it from live usb to test that |
| 10:55.02 | lilytown | hello? |
| 10:55.12 | satellit_ | if it is intel try virtualbox |
| 10:55.27 | HackeMate | before i need buy an imac |
| 10:55.36 | HackeMate | if windows can run, i guess a debian too |
| 10:55.42 | HackeMate | i like the imac style |
| 10:55.52 | epsilon | trebor_home: the actual deb packages with debmirror |
| 10:55.52 | HackeMate | and i have a macbook pro, but debian is debian as desktop |
| 10:56.24 | epsilon | trebor_home: together with a netinstall-CD, you have everything you need/want |
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| 10:57.12 | HackeMate | and other thing, whats the default file system, ext4? |
| 10:57.16 | skamikaze | HackeMate: why pay the doubled price for an apple if you use debian as main os? |
| 10:57.22 | skamikaze | HackeMate: yes |
| 10:57.24 | trebor_home | epsilon: debmirror copies all packages to a local drive, right? |
| 10:57.41 | HackeMate | skamikaze: less wire |
| 10:57.49 | HackeMate | it looks better in my room heh |
| 10:58.24 | epsilon | trebor_home: yes. you should limit arch, version, no source |
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| 10:59.09 | lilytown | hey! |
| 10:59.10 | epsilon | trebor_home: if you mirror squeeze i386/amd64 no source, it's like 50GB |
| 10:59.20 | lilytown | it took me ages to get into this place |
| 10:59.32 | lilytown | LOL |
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| 10:59.36 | lilytown | hello there |
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| 11:00.06 | trebor_home | epsilon: oh, i have a very slow network here with this pc. |
| 11:00.10 | jelly-home | !greet lilytown |
| 11:00.10 | dpkg | Tag, lilytown |
| 11:00.21 | Jakse | if setting a static IP with ifconfig, will linux set it back to dynamic after reboot? |
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| 11:00.39 | EugenMayer | how would i create a key for my repos so they are not shown as untrusted anymore? |
| 11:00.51 | lilytown | :) |
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| 11:01.14 | lilytown | just asking where do people most come from |
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| 11:01.26 | epsilon | trebor_home: I don't know the file structure on the DVD, but you may be able to copy the deb files and just update still missing one |
| 11:01.52 | lilytown | seems like its talking kinda technique things here? |
| 11:01.56 | lilytown | sorry im quite new |
| 11:02.17 | simonrvn | Jakse: "linux" doesn't do anything about interfaces. |
| 11:02.34 | jelly-home | lilytown: this is a tech support channel, yes. Join the #defocus channel for general chat |
| 11:03.00 | lilytown | opps. |
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| 11:03.03 | lilytown | thank you :) |
| 11:03.11 | Jakse | simonrvn> how to shift between static and dynamic dhcp? |
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| 11:06.18 | simonrvn | !interfaces |
| 11:06.18 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 11:08.32 | Jakse | *now reading * thanks |
| 11:11.32 | HackeMate | i am formatting a 750gb hard disk, 15mins already and is still in 25% |
| 11:11.33 | HackeMate | is it normal? |
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| 11:15.34 | AthomIk | i try to save a lvm block with dd, tar and pbzip2 |
| 11:15.43 | AthomIk | dd if=/dev/vg_fedhome/OPENBSD |/bin/tar cf - |/usr/bin/pbzip2 -p4 -z -9 > /home/fran/OPENBSD.tbz2 |
| 11:15.50 | AthomIk | where is my error ? |
| 11:15.56 | doda | HackeMate: if it does full format yeah |
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| 11:17.03 | HackeMate | ok so i'll be patient as a good person |
| 11:17.10 | doda | :) |
| 11:17.17 | doda | do something while waiting |
| 11:17.31 | doda | HackeMate: you made more than one partitions right? |
| 11:17.56 | HackeMate | this hd were a raid, so i created a new partition table and then an ext4 partition |
| 11:18.01 | HackeMate | so it can take some time i guess |
| 11:18.04 | doda | aha |
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| 11:18.47 | doda | HackeMate: no but as general practise, its good to make a litle / partition /home partition and an /data or whatever partition |
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| 11:19.17 | HackeMate | is not for system, just for store |
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| 11:20.53 | doda | ah, how are you creating the filesystem ? |
| 11:20.59 | doda | which tool? |
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| 11:30.37 | intx | did something change in debian in relation to su/wheel in a recent update? |
| 11:30.46 | intx | i can't seem to su and the wheel group has disappeared |
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| 11:33.11 | arnestig | intx, use sudoedit to add your user as a sudoer |
| 11:33.40 | arnestig | ah, you meant just simple 'su', not sure then |
| 11:34.05 | Zao | su - worksforme with uid=1002(zao) gid=1002(zao) groups=1002(zao),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev) |
| 11:34.44 | intx | how do you list what gruops you are in? |
| 11:35.01 | arnestig | groups <username> |
| 11:35.03 | Zao | id |
| 11:35.40 | intx | weird |
| 11:35.44 | intx | wheel, group 47, disappeared |
| 11:35.53 | intx | after i ran an apt-get upgrade a few days ago i think |
| 11:36.14 | intx | thanks Zambezi |
| 11:36.15 | intx | *Zao |
| 11:36.16 | intx | argh |
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| 11:38.06 | arnestig | intx, well you don't need wheel anymore |
| 11:38.24 | intx | i like wheel! |
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| 11:39.04 | Zao | It's drivin' me nuts! |
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| 11:39.28 | arnestig | intx, http://wiki.debian.org/sudo |
| 11:39.53 | intx | "Nobody needs to know the root password" |
| 11:39.57 | intx | that's why i don't like sudo :p |
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| 11:40.26 | intx | basically grants any sudo user root privileges without the root password |
| 11:40.51 | themill | this is quite configurable |
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| 11:41.02 | arnestig | well, don't add them with root privileges then. add a special group that can execute your desired commands. just check the config example on the page |
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| 11:41.32 | intx | but then i'm limited to what commands i can execute |
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| 11:42.10 | intx | hm cool i can require root password instead of user password |
| 11:42.17 | themill | so you want to give unlimited access to a user to run any command they want as root... why does them knowing the root password or not make a difference? Why not just require them to know their own password? |
| 11:42.39 | arnestig | yeah, good question. i don't understand what the problem is |
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| 11:43.04 | intx | what i mean is |
| 11:43.13 | arnestig | if you want to give a user full access, add them as root privileges. if not, make a special group |
| 11:43.14 | themill | (a shared root password makes fine-grained control of who can do what harder) |
| 11:43.25 | intx | at default settings anyway (user password for sudo) |
| 11:43.36 | intx | all a hacker needs is my password and they've compromised my entire machine |
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| 11:44.03 | intx | but if they also require a root password to execute commands as root, they'd need two passwords, mine, and the root pass |
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| 11:44.25 | ansgar | intx: They need yours and wait until you enter the root password. |
| 11:44.28 | intx | * assuming they aren't able to execute commands as me another way |
| 11:44.36 | Zao | I forget, do GNU/Linux deployments usually requires the root password when booting single-user? |
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| 11:45.24 | intx | are there keyloggers that run as unpriviledged users? |
| 11:45.52 | arnestig | Zao, not sure. but booting from any live CD should do the trick for tampering with the system |
| 11:46.03 | intx | zao i don't think so, i think i've booted single user before when i forgot my root password |
| 11:46.04 | Zao | intx: Write ~/bin/sudo or ~/bin/su; log to a Happy Place, wait. |
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| 11:46.54 | Matias | Hello! |
| 11:47.43 | Matias | I just killed some process associated with KDE and I can't see any icons, bars or anything. How can I reload it... without reboot the system? |
| 11:47.56 | _saw | Hello! I have problems with my laptop since I upgraded from lenny to squeeze. If I close my lid, and then open it again my screen remains black, no matter what I do. |
| 11:48.06 | _saw | It looks like it freezes |
| 11:48.11 | themill | Matias: run "plasma-desktop" |
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| 11:48.39 | Matias | themill: thank you! |
| 11:49.39 | Matias | why the way, how is the name of the application that let you insert a command and execute it? it seems to be broken too |
| 11:49.50 | Matias | s/why/by/ |
| 11:50.16 | Matias | I mean, what appears when you do Alt+F2 |
| 11:50.54 | themill | Matias: "krunner" |
| 11:51.16 | Matias | great, thank you again! |
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| 11:54.48 | sylar | how to remove a module that is in use? |
| 11:55.17 | sylar | i mean unload |
| 11:56.21 | robokop | sylar: rmmod |
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| 12:11.06 | cousin_mario | Hello. |
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| 12:11.41 | cousin_mario | What's the best command-line tool to pick the services one wants to start at boot time? |
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| 12:17.55 | joltcan | Thats a good question. I just disable stuff I don't want with update-rc.d |
| 12:18.35 | cousin_mario | Is rcconf still a valid option? |
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| 12:20.21 | Bushmills | cousin_mario: some like file-rc, and use a plain text editor |
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| 12:24.25 | del_diablo | I think I feel like a newb: http://fpaste.org/oqJ1/ how do I avoid this segfault? I need to fix some package conflicts |
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| 12:26.23 | sider | How do I add Russian to my Squeeze? |
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| 12:27.31 | cousin_mario | Bushmills: I fear I'll end up making a mess. |
| 12:27.40 | nkuttler | sider: dpkg-reconfigure locales, and install the localized packages you need |
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| 12:29.52 | Bushmills | cousin_mario: you can do that with any tool |
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| 12:30.35 | Bushmills | maybe a more fool-proof command line tool is "mail". invoke your sys admin. |
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| 12:30.57 | Frenk | Hello, I have an issue. After one day my syslog is 128MB big, I tried to check and I get MASSIVE (every second) entries like this: http://paste.debian.net/110455/ Can you help me out? |
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| 12:31.39 | cantido | Frenk: use ulog or something to log netfilter messages |
| 12:31.51 | cantido | or configure syslog to filter them |
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| 12:38.04 | EugenMayer | how to sign your own repo so that you dont get the message "untrusted.." |
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| 12:40.06 | Steap | Hi ! Every time I try to run "apt-get update", I am getting a "Hash Sum mismatch" error. This happens with both the french and US mirors. Running "apt-get clean && apt-get update" did not fix the problem. Does anyone have an idea ? |
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| 12:44.20 | themill | Steap: known problem.... being worked on. |
| 12:44.53 | Steap | themill: thanks. Is there any place where I could follow the activity on this bug ? |
| 12:45.05 | gnugr | !tell about conky text |
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| 12:48.29 | delby | hi. i just installed sid for the first time. cant find/install package vim. |
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| 12:49.57 | jae | Steap: seems something is broken at the core... |
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| 12:50.25 | erAbuelo | I now I have problems with the sid repo, I get the following error message: BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze) |
| 12:50.41 | erAbuelo | buenos dias |
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| 12:51.16 | Steap | jae: damn :/ |
| 12:51.58 | jae | I had that hash sum message too, so I deactivated apt-cacher. Same. Switched to ftp.debian (from the .de mirror). Same. |
| 12:52.10 | Steap | what's weird is that some people don't get this error |
| 12:52.55 | jae | Then I tried my servers. Same, on two different (very different, one's only a vserver, the other is a small dedicated) servers. |
| 12:53.15 | jae | So, no HW problem on my side. Conclusion: somethings's broken. |
| 12:53.20 | erAbuelo | jae: I tested with several different mirrors and I get the same error, must be changing something in the repos. |
| 12:53.31 | jae | Steap: who doesn't get it? |
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| 12:54.20 | Steap | jae: a friend of mine, but he's running testing |
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| 12:54.43 | del_diablo | I have set up apt with pinning, is there a painless way to get a more updated mirror list? |
| 12:55.06 | Steap | jae: does this bug only affect Sid ? |
| 12:55.11 | Steap | And what about stable ? |
| 12:56.12 | erAbuelo | I have no problem with the stable repo |
| 12:56.27 | Steap | erAbuelo: ok |
| 12:56.53 | jae | Steap: I don't run stable anywhere (yup, not even on the servers... but they're private non-prod ones, so there ;-) |
| 12:56.59 | Steap | So, I finally have an annoying bug with Sid |
| 12:57.03 | Steap | Feels good |
| 12:57.15 | jae | Steap: welcome to the club. |
| 12:57.19 | Steap | Honestly, never getting serious bugs with an unstable distribution is frustrating. |
| 12:57.56 | jae | I had my share of sid bugs, but I cannot recall the last one I couldn't fix (this one I obviously can't fix) |
| 12:58.13 | jae | Steap: really? I don't think so, honestly ;-) |
| 12:59.03 | Steap | jae: I also use Ubuntu, and I usually have less bugs in Unstable, so that seems weird to me :p |
| 12:59.05 | homie | somethings buggy about sound with flash or iceweasel, everytime i start a video, as if the sound level is normalized to 0 anew everytime i change the system sound level, such that i have to set the system sound to bigger and bigger values, after a time.... |
| 12:59.43 | jae | Steap: you mean, fewer bugs in Debian sid than in Ubuntu (supposedly) stable? ;-) |
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| 13:00.07 | t0th | hi |
| 13:00.16 | t0th | i am trying apt-get update |
| 13:00.20 | Steap | jae: indeed :p |
| 13:00.22 | t0th | io have errors: W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release: |
| 13:00.27 | t0th | how i can solve? |
| 13:00.32 | Steap | damn |
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| 13:01.14 | homie | when i play it with a local player then, it is on the level of the system volume, but not in the player... |
| 13:01.31 | homie | there it is much lower, or gets lower with time... |
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| 13:01.54 | t0th | any? |
| 13:01.58 | homie | i mean in the browser-player |
| 13:02.31 | tntcoda | Hi, how can I uninstall/fully kill the smtp server listening on tcp 25 and sunrpc service listening on a clean debian install |
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| 13:04.57 | nkuttler | tntcoda: afaik debian requires an mta, but there are lightweight ones that do local delivery only |
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| 13:05.48 | tntcoda | nkuttler, ok thanks - it's just i exposed the box to the internet and 25 showed up on a remote port scan, I firewalled it off but not ideal |
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| 13:16.12 | sidro | hi |
| 13:16.19 | sidro | apt-get update has this massages |
| 13:16.25 | sidro | http://pastebin.com/vPNpGTRc |
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| 13:16.47 | sidro | aptitude update work, but apt-get has that messages |
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| 13:18.09 | del_diablo | The GTK gui for synaptic is segfaulting over something about UTF-8, where can I find a more detailed log? |
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| 13:18.57 | skamikaze | del_diablo: did you check ~/.xsession-errors ? |
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| 13:19.54 | del_diablo | skamikaze: No, i didn't thanks <3 |
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| 13:21.02 | skamikaze | del_diablo: np yvw |
| 13:21.11 | del_diablo | skamikaze: Hmm, that is odd, the infromation as in the terminal, http://fpaste.org/919J/ :( |
| 13:21.20 | skamikaze | del_diablo: maybe you find more information in /var/log too dude |
| 13:22.12 | skamikaze | loves segfaults -_- |
| 13:22.42 | del_diablo | am glad he never has experienced the worse of them yet |
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| 13:24.09 | skamikaze | what did you do before that error? |
| 13:24.38 | del_diablo | skamikaze: I think I did my last bootup 3 weeks ago, and I think i did was upgrading |
| 13:24.44 | sidro | nobody? |
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| 13:25.14 | skamikaze | del_diablo: does apt-get update/upgrade run smoothly? |
| 13:25.28 | skamikaze | excuse my english please got a bad hangover today |
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| 13:26.34 | del_diablo | skamikaze: Well, not sure what the definition of "smooth" goes by, but roughly the only "unsmooth" seems to be a mishmash of non-located language files, but besides that it is smooth |
| 13:27.09 | skamikaze | mhm maybe reconfiguring locales helps? |
| 13:27.46 | del_diablo | dpkg-reconfigure was it? |
| 13:28.24 | skamikaze | -> sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 13:38.59 | sidro | ??? |
| 13:39.06 | Massachusetts | ??? |
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| 13:40.21 | sidro | apt-get update has this massages |
| 13:40.24 | sidro | http://pastebin.com/vPNpGTRc |
| 13:40.25 | pascale | Hi ! |
| 13:40.36 | sidro | aptitude update work, but apt-get has that messages |
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| 13:40.45 | stephan48 | Hi, is there a way to tell dhclient(version that is in squeeze) to assign a different fixed address based on the network i am in?(f.e. if i am in a 192.168.x.x i want 192.168.99.99 and if in 172.16.x.x i want 172.16.99.99) |
| 13:41.04 | abrotman | sidro: try another mirror |
| 13:41.24 | abrotman | stephan48: there used to be a program called something like netconf that could help with that |
| 13:41.34 | stephan48 | k |
| 13:41.41 | sidro | abrotman, same messages |
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| 13:41.50 | abrotman | sidro: proxied? |
| 13:42.00 | sidro | noproxy |
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| 13:42.16 | abrotman | stephan48: it may not exist anymore .. let me look |
| 13:42.23 | stephan48 | http://netconf.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 13:42.40 | W4RH4WK | hello, i encountered problems setting up a usb stick with debian installer, i used this man http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-flexible and this linux/initrd.gz file http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/i386/ the partition on the usb is bootable. when i boot: "isolinux.bin missing or corrup, Operating system not found" |
| 13:42.41 | stephan48 | it says in dev and not yet usable |
| 13:42.42 | abrotman | i mean as a package |
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| 13:42.53 | sidro | no |
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| 13:43.18 | stephan48 | but http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=netconf doesnt seem so |
| 13:43.51 | abrotman | judd: info netenv --release squeeze |
| 13:43.53 | judd | Package netenv (admin, extra) in squeeze/i386: Configure your system for different network environments. Version: 0.94.3-27; Size: 79.8k; Installed: 344k; Homepage: http://netenv.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 13:48.32 | stephan48 | abrotman: k |
| 13:48.39 | Dewi | I'm trying to upgrade lenny -> squeeze, doing the safe upgrade part first as recommended by the manual |
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| 13:48.55 | Dewi | resolving dependencies has taken nearly 4 hours of cpu time |
| 13:49.00 | Dewi | is that... normal? |
| 13:49.16 | pascale | I am installing Squeeze right now. 612 updates. My machine has been working for nearly two hours, and the "details" screen remains black. Does the time seem right (recent computer |
| 13:49.22 | Dewi | it claims to have processed 56,000 packages... |
| 13:49.38 | W4RH4WK | pasted history: paste.ubuntu.com/579264 |
| 13:50.08 | Dewi | pascale: installing or upgrading? |
| 13:50.27 | pascale | Sorry, upgrading. Installed and being upgraded. |
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| 13:50.42 | stephan48 | it already sounds nice, but i rather would like to do something based on the answer from the DHCPd(f.e. if dhcp x answers, kill default route and add another one + this and that ip address, if dhcpd y answers, assign only a second ip, and if none defined for the answering dhcp do nothing) |
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| 13:51.04 | stephan48 | so i think maybe dhclient hooks are the way to go |
| 13:51.46 | W4RH4WK | anybody? |
| 13:51.52 | Dewi | pascale: mine has been "resolving dependencies" for 4 hours... |
| 13:52.07 | Dewi | pascale: I forgot the recommendation to use apt-get and am using aptitude. I hope that's not the reason |
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| 13:53.10 | Dewi | hrm, I have a fair few self-made or alien packages; it's possible they are making it a lot more complicated for the poor package manager... |
| 13:54.05 | pascale | Dewi: do you have a clue as to whether it will eventually be completed. Has anyone given you a time frame? |
| 13:54.14 | Dewi | pascale: not yet |
| 13:54.32 | Dewi | pascale: do you have any non-lenny packages on there? |
| 13:54.38 | Dewi | (anything unofficial) |
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| 13:55.20 | pascale | Dewi: it is actually a Mint LMDE and I have not modified anything. Just installed and executed the upgrades through the GUI. |
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| 13:56.07 | pascale | Dewi: it is all Debian unstable (Squeeze) but the repos are "unstable". |
| 13:56.17 | cousin_mario | thank everybody |
| 13:56.18 | cousin_mario | bbl |
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| 13:56.24 | Dewi | pascale: you mean stable right? |
| 13:56.50 | abrotman | pascale: you should ask them, not us |
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| 13:59.38 | pascale | Dewi: the release was made a few weeks before Squeeze was stable so it is Squeeze with unstable repos (that is what I gather). A couple of weeks ago, I installed same in Virtual Box at work and I had 450 upgrades that took 2.5 hours, so maybe the 612 ones ought to take 4+ hours? |
| 13:59.50 | wolfric | why is firmware-linux-free/nonfree called "firmware" and not "drivers"? Surely firmware is what is on the physical device not what the kernel uses to interact with it |
| 14:00.39 | abrotman | pascale: ask the Mint channel, this is NOT it |
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| 14:01.33 | pascale | abrotman: the Mint chat is grossly "understaffed". The release is debian based. They are going to make Debian wildly popular... |
| 14:01.36 | abrotman | wolfric: AIUI, those are the blobs that the drivers require to interact with the devices .. hence firmware? |
| 14:01.50 | abrotman | pascale: that is not our problem .. if you want help here, install Debian |
| 14:02.01 | abrotman | Debian already is wildly popular .. we don't need people screwing it up |
| 14:02.12 | wolfric | lol |
| 14:02.34 | pascale | abrotman: that is why Debian is wildly confidential except with geeks. |
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| 14:02.58 | abrotman | pascale: if you say so .. this is still not the Mint support channel, take it to their channel or ##linux .. you're offtopic here |
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| 14:08.49 | phix | why are debian developers so arrogant? |
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| 14:09.49 | erAbuelo | because they can |
| 14:10.19 | abrotman | eh? |
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| 14:21.07 | emacsenlee | hello guys ,does any one has a MSI U210 netbook? |
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| 14:21.35 | emacsenlee | is debian 6.0 working well on that machine |
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| 14:22.09 | abrotman | emacsenlee: typically, reports would end up in the wiki.debian.org or linux-laptop.net .. but i have an HP netbook that works great |
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| 14:24.15 | emacsenlee | the cpu is amd l335 and motherboard chip is M690 |
| 14:24.57 | emacsenlee | i dont know wether its cpu and ati gpu is well supported |
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| 14:25.12 | abrotman | emacsenlee: why not just try it? |
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| 14:25.55 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 14:26.19 | johnfg | Where did ntp-server go for squeeze? Is there another pkg to take its place? |
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| 14:26.31 | emacsenlee | abortman i just want to get some information before i make a try |
| 14:27.10 | emacsenlee | because i dont have much experence with linux |
| 14:27.18 | Dewi | phix: developers, nay geeks in general, can be fairly arrogant |
| 14:27.46 | Dewi | phix: there are many reasons for this and plenty of causation in both directions... |
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| 14:30.22 | wolfric | phix: do you want to provide any examples in particular? |
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| 14:33.42 | johnfg | any idea where ntp-server went or what takes its place? |
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| 14:34.09 | cahoot | openntpd? |
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| 14:36.50 | jacobw | I've a problem with automounting USB volumes on my installation of Squeeze with the GNOME desktop, I've pasted the error message at http://paste.debian.net/110468/ |
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| 14:43.04 | abrotman | emacsenlee: google is probably the best bet ... |
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| 14:44.14 | doors | hi debian, what channel would I go to to fix package issues? |
| 14:44.42 | project2501a | dooglus: what do you mean "package issues" |
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| 14:44.48 | cousin_mario | Hello. |
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| 14:45.09 | emacsenlee | yes abortman ,i googled and dont have found any important component disabled ,so i just began to worry why linux working so well on that machine |
| 14:45.22 | emacsenlee | lol |
| 14:45.24 | cousin_mario | just upgraded to squeeze and cannot for the love of $DEITY change the timezone. |
| 14:45.45 | doors | project2501a: looking at packages.qa there are some wierdnesses with the package for calibre. I would like to fix them if possible, but haven't done any package stuff before |
| 14:46.00 | abrotman | doors: such as ? |
| 14:46.08 | abrotman | emacsenlee: abrotman .. not abortman |
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| 14:46.32 | project2501a | doors: irc.debian.org/debian-mentors |
| 14:46.39 | doors | thanks |
| 14:46.41 | doors | :) |
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| 14:47.59 | doors | abrotman: 1. the stable release looks miss-named (it's higher than the project has released / testing), 2. the auto update script is broke cos the upstream have moved thier files, 3... that sort of thing |
| 14:48.14 | abrotman | doors: URL ? |
| 14:48.41 | doors | http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/calibre.html |
| 14:48.48 | johnfg | cousin_mario, If you're using gnome as desktop, go to System-Administration-Time and Date. You'll have to "Click to make changes", and authenticate as root. |
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| 14:49.13 | johnfg | Then you can change timezone. someone else can tell you how to do it from the cli. |
| 14:49.17 | doors | abrotman: but I don't know the first thing about how to fix it... |
| 14:49.23 | ansgar | doors: 0.7.7 is lower than 0.7.44 |
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| 14:49.37 | abrotman | doors: it looks fine |
| 14:49.46 | doors | :s ok |
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| 14:50.04 | cousin_mario | johnfg: X11 is not installed |
| 14:50.42 | cousin_mario | johnfg: nevermind, setting TZ worked: I wonder how come one keeps forgetting these little tidbits of informations:) |
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| 14:51.36 | jelly-home | !test |
| 14:51.50 | jelly-home | %test |
| 14:52.07 | z0rc[w0rk] | http://pastebin.com/40AbD8Ym â result of apt-get update. is this just me or everyone? |
| 14:52.09 | jelly-home | ravenbird: test |
| 14:52.11 | ravenbird | jelly-home: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 14:53.14 | jelly-home | z0rc[w0rk]: if you rm those files manually and redo the update, does it fare better? |
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| 14:53.32 | capri | hey guys |
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| 14:53.37 | ansgar | doors: And the update dialog is disable intentionally with a patch. You do not want an auto update for packages installed via a package manager. |
| 14:53.40 | pif | hi, someone who has a mac gave me an external hd and I can't mount it on my debian system (yes, I compiled hfs/+ in-kernel), any idea? |
| 14:53.42 | capri | is it possible to boot debian at a spef |
| 14:54.14 | capri | is it possible to boot debian at a specific time? like every morining at 8am and shutdown every night at 11 pm? |
| 14:55.00 | Ticho | capri: shutdown is easy, do it via at or via cron |
| 14:55.02 | z0rc[w0rk] | jelly-home, nope, rm doesn't help. getting those errors on two pc's. i've started to recieve them three hours ago (apt-get update is in cron executing every 20 minutes) |
| 14:55.26 | capri | @Ticho for sure |
| 14:55.29 | cahoot | capri: some bioses has a wakeup function (wtachdog?) |
| 14:55.34 | capri | but whats about startup? |
| 14:55.39 | capri | yes |
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| 14:55.57 | capri | could i configure this out of the system? |
| 14:56.06 | Ticho | capri: timed boot is not about the operating system, more about bios capabilities (timed start via watchdog, a wakeup via wake-on-lan from another box in your network) |
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| 14:57.33 | capri | ok! im using a qnap with debian on it! and the qnap firmeware could boot the system at a specific time you want. and so i think it should be possible with debian to! but i can´t use wakeup on lan, because it´s not supported. so i take a look at teh bios. but it also should be configurable out of the system like qnap firmware does |
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| 14:58.33 | Ticho | capri: so configure your qnap (whatever that is) to start at your desired time, and configure your bootloader to boot debian by default |
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| 14:58.56 | capri | qnap is a storage system |
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| 15:26.38 | mwnn | kdevelop on debian 6.0 does not seem to support python. Should i be installing any more packages? |
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| 15:28.41 | erAbuelo | haber si no caigo ahora |
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| 15:30.06 | jhutchins_lt | !es |
| 15:30.18 | abrotman | bot gone |
| 15:30.29 | abrotman | erAbuelo: #debian-es on irc.oftc.net por favor |
| 15:30.36 | jhutchins_lt | dondelelcaro: Ping - dpkg is MIA. |
| 15:30.37 | erAbuelo | sorry |
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| 15:31.16 | jhutchins_lt | %es |
| 15:31.20 | abrotman | apt: es |
| 15:31.21 | apt | Para los usuarios debian de habla hispana que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #debian-es -- Spanish-speaking debian users requiring support, please join #debian-es |
| 15:31.29 | abrotman | it doesn't say it's on irc.oftc.net though |
| 15:31.33 | jhutchins_lt | ravenbird: es |
| 15:31.35 | ravenbird | jhutchins_lt: EPARSE: dunno WTH you're talking about |
| 15:31.36 | erAbuelo | I have no intention of speaking Spanish in this channel, I just wrong Channel xD |
| 15:31.43 | abrotman | ok |
| 15:31.52 | engla | no pasa nada |
| 15:31.56 | jhutchins_lt | erAbuelo: We don't really mind, it's just that it doesn't work. |
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| 15:46.18 | amp_ | hi |
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| 15:46.39 | amp_ | xuc22l3j |
| 15:47.28 | abrotman | ? |
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| 15:50.24 | foucist | hey guys, i just upgraded from etch to lenny, and now trying to get backports working so i can get a better version of irssi, nothing is happening though? |
| 15:50.42 | foucist | i added the source, updated, and then apt-get -t squeeze-backports install irssi |
| 15:50.47 | foucist | but it's not updating |
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| 15:56.11 | foucist | nevermind |
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| 15:56.33 | king313 | Hi guys, What's the current branch of debian recommended for stable severs? |
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| 15:56.38 | king313 | 5.0 lenny? 6.0? |
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| 15:56.49 | babilen | king313: Squeeze (6.0) |
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| 15:56.54 | king313 | thanks, babilen |
| 15:57.00 | babilen | np |
| 15:57.07 | babilen | !tell king313 -about ig |
| 15:57.18 | babilen | ah, the bot is gone. |
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| 15:57.56 | babilen | king313: You find installation instructions in the Installation Guide (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual) -- Have fun! |
| 15:58.12 | wildc4rd | afternoon |
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| 16:04.00 | steemz | i've installed nonfree firmware, and set the resolution 800x600. Now i can't see anything (there are horizontal lines). Does it ring any bells. If not, how do I cahange the resolution while in shell like this? |
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| 16:04.11 | dselect | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of themill) |
| 16:04.13 | dselect | Hi all! I'm here as a backup for dpkg. My database is readonly so don't try changing factoids. My address character is : |
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| 16:04.35 | EugenMayer | when ssh`ing to a server, then changing the user with sudo .. i then cant forward my x11 / display port anymore "wrong authentication". Any ideas? |
| 16:04.37 | Revenger | out of interest |
| 16:04.50 | babilen | dselect: welcome |
| 16:04.51 | dselect | Thank you, babilen. |
| 16:04.59 | cahoot | EugenMayer: I resorted to sux |
| 16:05.08 | erAbuelo | EugenMayer: gksudo |
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| 16:05.32 | phix | hi |
| 16:05.35 | thewanderer1 | EugenMayer: copy your .Xauthority to the target user's home dir... or use the easier methods as they told you above |
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| 16:05.55 | EugenMayer | hmm gksudo ist not a package? how is it named? |
| 16:05.57 | phix | leta team!!! |
| 16:06.09 | EugenMayer | !gksudo? |
| 16:06.12 | EugenMayer | !gksudo |
| 16:06.26 | erAbuelo | gksu |
| 16:06.35 | phix | ~sudo |
| 16:06.35 | apt | [~sudo] Better than su, according to talon. It allows a permitted user to execute a command as the superuser or another user, as specified in the sudoers file. Or can allow you to do silly things like run X11 apps with root privileges; also good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html, or good for ordering sandwiches, or not pseudo |
| 16:06.59 | phix | ~gksudo |
| 16:07.09 | phix | aaawwww |
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| 16:07.22 | themill | :gksu |
| 16:07.23 | dselect | [gksu] a graphical interface for running X apps as another user such as root. aptitude install gksu. If you have set your machine up with sudo to allow you to run any command you want, then you can make gksu use "sudo" mode all the time by running "gconftool-2 -t bool -s /apps/gksu/sudo-mode 1". Also ask me about <sux>. |
| 16:07.31 | EugenMayer | erAbuelo: cahoot: thewanderer1: thank you! |
| 16:07.35 | erAbuelo | dnd |
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| 16:08.52 | EugenMayer | !sux |
| 16:09.01 | EugenMayer | :sux |
| 16:09.01 | dselect | sux is a utility for running X apps as a different user. "aptitude install sux" and documentation at http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ . Also ask me about <root x> for other alternatives. Sux is also the way some people spell sucks and usually implies that they don't know what they are talking about; ask me about <u>. |
| 16:09.21 | marti_ | ubuntu |
| 16:09.29 | marti_ | :ubuntu |
| 16:09.30 | dselect | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 16:09.45 | steemz | i used the failsafe terminal session to call up on gnome-display-properties |
| 16:09.53 | EugenMayer | marti_ was that for me? |
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| 16:10.02 | marti_ | no |
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| 16:12.06 | MZXGiant | Good morning/afternoon/evening, everyone |
| 16:12.10 | EugenMayer | erAbuelo: while copyin .XAuthority worked, iam not sure how to work with gksudo. I usually use "su -s /bin/sh USER" |
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| 16:12.57 | MZXGiant | I was hoping to get pointed in the right direction here -- I'm looking to install debian on a running server by bootstrapping the installer on the existing shell (maybe using a chroot or something) -- is there a guide to doing that anywhere? A set of google searches have been less than helpful =P |
| 16:13.27 | babilen | :debootstrap |
| 16:13.28 | dselect | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 16:13.34 | babilen | MZXGiant: ^^^ Check that :) |
| 16:13.44 | MZXGiant | Hoo boy |
| 16:13.50 | MZXGiant | I feel dumb now =P |
| 16:13.52 | MZXGiant | But thanks! =D |
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| 16:14.03 | babilen | MZXGiant: You can find additional information in the installation guide and on the referenced web pages. |
| 16:14.11 | babilen | MZXGiant: Why do you feel dumb? |
| 16:14.34 | MZXGiant | I should have found that in my own searches haha |
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| 16:15.56 | babilen | MZXGiant: You did. Asking in #d is part of your search. You should work on your google-fu though, or just look in the installation guide next time :) |
| 16:15.59 | EugenMayer | hmm does clusterssh not use ssh aliases? |
| 16:16.13 | MZXGiant | Haha, thanks much babilen =) |
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| 16:19.05 | mulc | getting gpg errors updating squeeze amd64 |
| 16:19.49 | babilen | mulc: Prove it, I don't believe you. (Or: Please paste the exact errors and commands to paste.debian.net) |
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| 16:23.08 | mulc | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/110480/ |
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| 16:25.09 | babilen | mulc: Please wait a little. There were problems with the Release files earlier (I thought that this only affected sid/experimental) . Also make sure that you have the latest version of "debian-archive-keyring" installed. |
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| 16:26.05 | babilen | mulc: You could also try a different mirror in the meanwhile. |
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| 16:34.19 | Guest87308 | I just updated from Lenny to Squeeze and have problems with Python2.6 and python2.6-minimal. Errors are e.g. "python-minimal depends on python2.6-minimal" |
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| 16:36.11 | Guest87308 | the error seems rather common, but I haven't found a fix yet :( |
| 16:36.43 | themill | the entire output and the command that caused it in a pastebin would be handy |
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| 16:38.05 | Guest87308 | themill: http://pastebin.com/375mSu7K |
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| 16:39.09 | themill | :local python |
| 16:39.09 | dselect | An installation of python in /usr/local/bin/ is a great way of breaking a great many tools in Debian, which assume running "python" runs the Debian python with the installed python modules. Removing /usr/local/bin/python* should be enough to fix the problem; if you really need your own local version of system tools like python (and perl, and ...) make sure they are not on $PATH when you are performing upgrades. |
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| 16:39.20 | themill | Guest87308: ^^ you need to get rid of that local snake. |
| 16:40.04 | Guest87308 | themill: so it seems |
| 16:40.11 | Guest87308 | I'll try, brb |
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| 16:43.15 | Guest87308 | themill: killed the local snake and all is fine |
| 16:43.29 | Guest87308 | can't believe it was that easy |
| 16:43.41 | Guest87308 | thanks a lot! |
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| 16:44.23 | themill | no worries. Happy hunting. |
| 16:44.27 | LemensTS | on debian where is the php file to modify upload limits and such |
| 16:44.32 | LemensTS | in apache |
| 16:45.03 | themill | LemensTS: phpinfo will tell you that /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini is loaded. |
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| 16:47.12 | LemensTS | Thanks |
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| 16:52.53 | vipersniper | anyone use iSSH with iphone :) |
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| 16:58.50 | mulc | debian.lcs.mit.edu is good again |
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| 16:59.24 | mulc | mirrors.kernel.org up again to |
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| 17:00.22 | bolt | How does rsync behave if a file it was about to copy is there? Say I start rsyncing 100 big files to another machine, then transfer some of them with a usb stick instead (using rsync to get the times right and such). Does rsync still overwrite the files because they weren't correct at the start of the run, or does it recognize the new files that appeared (as long as it wasn't currently writing to that exact file)? |
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| 17:09.42 | mooglenorph | Hi. Gnerally when I want to read the README.Debian for a given package, I search for the package on the debian site and look at the file list for docs. |
| 17:09.51 | mooglenorph | There has got to be a better way to do this. What is it |
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| 17:09.53 | mooglenorph | ? |
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| 17:10.38 | simonrvn | do what? |
| 17:10.53 | mooglenorph | Browse the docs for packages. |
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| 17:11.05 | mooglenorph | Get the debian.readme automatically? |
| 17:11.16 | mooglenorph | Like can I use info for this or something? |
| 17:11.37 | simonrvn | it's a text file.. |
| 17:12.16 | simonrvn | zless /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/README.Debian.gz |
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| 17:13.19 | mooglenorph | So they're slways under /usr/share/doc? |
| 17:13.42 | mooglenorph | thanks |
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| 17:17.19 | simonrvn | always |
| 17:18.06 | mooglenorph | that's really nice. debian is so *consistent* |
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| 17:19.07 | simonrvn | that's what a policy is for ;) |
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| 17:24.23 | crilly | Is there some way I can build a Debian GNU/Linux ISO that doesn't require attendance - i.e. I pre-configure the installation, burn to disc, insert, and then let it install? |
| 17:24.57 | simonrvn | !preseed |
| 17:25.03 | simonrvn | :preseed |
| 17:25.03 | dselect | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 . See also <debconf-set-selections>. |
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| 17:25.44 | babilen | :fai |
| 17:25.44 | dselect | [fai] Fully Automatic Installation, an automated tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> (Red Hat), autoyast and alice (SuSE) or jumpstart (Sun Solaris). FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. http://fai-project.org/ #fai on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:25.46 | crilly | Nice |
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| 17:26.20 | crilly | Thanks babilen and simonrvn |
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| 17:29.48 | MrJK | Hello |
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| 17:30.02 | MrJK | I've a problem with my pptpd server (lenny) |
| 17:30.03 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 17:30.18 | Bartzy | There's a linux command that shows you a file without all the empty lines |
| 17:30.23 | MrJK | In my logs, I've a GRE: badchecksum error |
| 17:30.24 | Bartzy | I forgot its name |
| 17:30.38 | MrJK | And I can't log to my VPN ( winXP client) |
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| 17:31.17 | MrJK | If somebody know how to solve that, long time I try without any success |
| 17:31.19 | babilen | crilly: I would also take a look at puppet, chef and cfengine for the configuration management. |
| 17:31.21 | MrJK | Thank you ^^ |
| 17:32.09 | chomwitt | is there a wheezy iso with kde ? |
| 17:32.09 | crilly | babilen: We're going to be using cfengine in work soon, funnily enough. I don't need anything that extensive though as this is only a home server I'm playing around on. |
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| 17:33.42 | babilen | crilly: If you are planning to deploy cfengine soon, I would strongly advise you to evaluate puppet and chef before deciding which one to use. |
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| 17:36.25 | crilly | babilen: Not really my call, it's the boss'. I will point those two other options out to him though, cheers. |
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| 17:38.49 | Iridos | the boss for your home-server |
| 17:38.52 | Iridos | sounds like your wife |
| 17:39.03 | babilen | crilly: Sure. It just makes sense to evaluate the alternatives before taking a decision. You will probably work with this for a long time and should be aware of the shortcomings and advantages. |
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| 17:40.43 | un214 | they say that nothing can prepare you for the shock of seeing dead pixels in the sky |
| 17:40.44 | joeb_ | hi all .. i need help setting up vnc .. i setup 2 seesions but i need to kill them first whats the fastest way to kill a vnc service |
| 17:40.48 | joeb_ | and then start it ? |
| 17:41.00 | un214 | killall Xvnc ; Xvnc & |
| 17:41.22 | Iridos | depends what his vnc server is called |
| 17:41.35 | NickyP | With dual-boot debian squeeze and win7/64 with grub2; How can i disable grub2 to force a win7 bootloader then install a service pack and then return to grub2 boot. |
| 17:41.37 | Iridos | anyway, why'd you need to kill them |
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| 17:45.25 | Iridos | NickyP, I thought (independent of grub2), the classic way to do this was to have the windows bootloader in the MBR and have it load |
| 17:45.45 | Iridos | grub/lilo or whatever from the bootsector of the partition with linux on |
| 17:46.55 | Iridos | but how to do that after you've overwritten that is more a ##windows question, also I wonder if the automatic update really needs the windows bootloader |
| 17:47.15 | NickyP | the boot loader is there but, grub to hooks into it, akaik and then gives selections of the OS's to boot. |
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| 17:47.37 | NickyP | service pack |
| 17:47.54 | NickyP | service pack balks |
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| 17:49.46 | NickyP | I have a procedure off the net to workaround grub but not grub2. |
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| 17:51.34 | NickyP | but it just changes the boot flag from linux to windows. with grub2 the boot flag remains in windows. |
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| 17:52.57 | maligor | why would linux need boot flag? |
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| 17:53.42 | Iridos | I would think it(s partition) needs one when the windows-bootloader is to recgnize the disk as bootable |
| 17:53.49 | Iridos | but I don't understand what he says |
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| 17:54.15 | NickyP | as i understand and that could be wrong you need one boot flag on a the partition to boot from |
| 17:55.48 | joeb_ | ok im trying to start vnc right .. i have this vnc4server -geometry 1024x768 -depth 24 |
| 17:55.51 | joeb_ | is this correct ? |
| 17:56.27 | joeb_ | i have this New 'debian:1 (joeb)' desktop is debian:1 |
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| 17:58.25 | Iridos | and? |
| 17:58.42 | Iridos | actually vnc4server forces you to set a password or it won't start, IIRC |
| 17:59.03 | cantido | joeb_: IIRc you connect to 5900 + session, so 5901 |
| 17:59.35 | Iridos | but you don't usually need the port number... except if you want to tunnel the port |
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| 18:00.24 | Iridos | vnclient server-fqdn:1 should be fine |
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| 18:01.24 | Iridos | what is your actual question anyway |
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| 18:04.25 | joeb_ | ok so i started my vncserver right |
| 18:04.32 | joeb_ | i only see a shell .. i see no desktop |
| 18:04.36 | joeb_ | am i missijng something |
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| 18:06.16 | catsup | do you mean you connect to the vnc server with a vnc viewer, and in the viewer you see a terminal? |
| 18:07.46 | joeb_ | right now this debian box im on his the vncserver .. i connect from another machine to this box and i onlly see a terminal client |
| 18:07.51 | joeb_ | i don't see my normal desktop |
| 18:08.15 | cantido | joeb_: do you have one installed? |
| 18:08.33 | joeb_ | cantido- what installed ? |
| 18:08.38 | cantido | a desktop |
| 18:08.58 | joeb_ | the desktop is a mc |
| 18:09.08 | joeb_ | the vncserver is on a laptop running squeeze |
| 18:09.29 | catsup | joeb_: you need to change what programs are running in the vncserver's virtual x server, for example DISPLAY=:1 gnome-session & |
| 18:09.35 | catsup | for example by running* |
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| 18:09.46 | joeb_ | aw |
| 18:09.48 | catsup | joeb_: are you trying to connect to an existing desktop? |
| 18:10.06 | joeb_ | catsup- yes im trying to connect to the session im on right now .. ie xchat |
| 18:10.09 | catsup | because that is possible too, but you need to use a different vncserver, one that doesn't include a virtual x server |
| 18:10.12 | catsup | ok |
| 18:10.29 | catsup | get the package x11vnc |
| 18:10.32 | joeb_ | New 'debian:1 (joeb)' desktop is debian: |
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| 18:10.50 | sylar | any one know if liquorix is good/safe? |
| 18:11.02 | catsup | actually, modern xorg has a vnc server builtin, which you could enable, but you would have to restart for that, so just get x11vnc |
| 18:11.17 | joeb_ | catsup- so rm xvnc4server and get x11vnc ? |
| 18:11.26 | catsup | you don't have to remove xvnc4server |
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| 18:11.35 | catsup | but you can |
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| 18:11.58 | wolfric | I'm cloning debian installs in virtualbox and i reckon that it registers the eth interface uuid to a number (such as eth0 eth1 etc) or something like. The problem is every time i make a new clone, the eth interface goes up a number and the lower ones are not used. Is there anyway to delete the "memory" of an old interface? |
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| 18:12.16 | catsup | xvnc4server is for running a vnc server without any local X server (you don't even need a monitor attached for that) |
| 18:12.52 | metrix | I would like to synchronize my logins/passwords for multiple debian/ubuntu computers.. how would I do this? |
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| 18:13.02 | cantido | metrix: LDAP |
| 18:13.16 | catsup | metrix: there are a few ways... |
| 18:13.16 | axelchry21 | !list |
| 18:13.18 | valdyn | wolfric: remove the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules after its generated or the script that generates that file |
| 18:13.30 | catsup | metrix: are you also sharing home directories? |
| 18:13.34 | Iridos | joeb_, x11vnd and vnc4server do different things |
| 18:13.49 | wolfric | valdyn: cheers |
| 18:13.53 | Iridos | ah, catsup already explained |
| 18:14.01 | metrix | catsup: I don't know.. I might |
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| 18:14.16 | metrix | catsup: what are your suggestions, both ways |
| 18:14.46 | linduxed | does one have to edit the deluge configuration from inside one of the deluge clients? |
| 18:14.48 | catsup | wolfric: it's in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules or something like that |
| 18:15.28 | metrix | cantido: sorry, didn't see your post above (i'm on a small laptop).. I will lookup ldap configuration |
| 18:15.35 | catsup | metrix: if you are sharing home directories you can store the passwords in the home directories using a pam plugin like libpam-ssh |
| 18:15.48 | linduxed | i read that it should be at ~/.config/deluge/core.conf, but it's not there |
| 18:16.00 | linduxed | still there are defaults set up somewhere |
| 18:16.03 | catsup | metrix: LDAP is another option, so is NIS |
| 18:16.03 | metrix | catsup: I see |
| 18:16.11 | linduxed | i just don't get where it's hidden |
| 18:16.40 | catsup | that home directory suggestion doesn't share users though, just passwords |
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| 18:17.27 | metrix | Interesting |
| 18:17.36 | metrix | Thank you for the help! |
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| 18:18.00 | sailerboy | hey |
| 18:18.13 | sailerboy | i'm trying to add a user, but i keep getting this error complaining about the kerberos password |
| 18:18.25 | joeb_ | catsup- whats a good command line for x11vnc .. its very slow i did a x11vnc -ncache 10 and its slow |
| 18:18.53 | sailerboy | http://pastebin.com/PQb59M36 |
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| 18:18.59 | sailerboy | the root password doesn't seem to work |
| 18:19.06 | sailerboy | no password afaik seems to work |
| 18:19.07 | jhutchins_lt | You might also want to look at tightvnc or realvnc, |
| 18:19.17 | sailerboy | i've tried looking for google, and all that i have found are others having my problem |
| 18:19.19 | joeb_ | jhutchins- don't you have to pay for those |
| 18:19.21 | sailerboy | no real solution |
| 18:19.34 | jhutchins_lt | joeb_: No, both are OS. |
| 18:19.42 | catsup | tight and real are free software but they don't do what x11vnc does |
| 18:19.48 | sailerboy | i'm using debian 6 on an openvz vps |
| 18:19.48 | sylar | is there a good CAD program ? |
| 18:19.54 | sailerboy | can anyone help me? |
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| 18:20.38 | joeb_ | ok |
| 18:20.40 | catsup | i think that x11vnc has tightvnc extensions though, just make sure you use tightvnc viewer |
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| 18:21.14 | Iridos | sailerboy, first thing that comes to mind: try a username with not more than 8 characters, perhaps |
| 18:21.18 | jhutchins_lt | catsup: Do you mean vnc screen sharing integrated into X? |
| 18:21.23 | catsup | but vnc is always pretty slow over the internet -- considering the way that it works it has to be |
| 18:21.26 | catsup | jhutchins_lt: yes |
| 18:21.31 | Iridos | actually 0th thing is, that kerberos isn't used in debian by default |
| 18:21.33 | sailerboy | Iridos, i can't use usernames over 8 charactersS? |
| 18:21.34 | jhutchins_lt | catsup: real does that. |
| 18:21.34 | sailerboy | why? |
| 18:21.39 | catsup | jhutchins_lt: oh |
| 18:21.41 | Iridos | (or anywhere I know of) |
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| 18:21.47 | Iridos | sailerboy, why don't you try, it's easy |
| 18:22.02 | sailerboy | Iridos, nope |
| 18:22.04 | sailerboy | same problem |
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| 18:22.16 | Iridos | sailerboy, I'm not sure if usernames longer than 8 characters are a problem... they might, though |
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| 18:23.13 | Iridos | sailerboy, what is the exact command you run? |
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| 18:23.22 | sailerboy | adduser sailerboy |
| 18:23.28 | jhutchins_lt | sailerboy: looks like your kerberos setup is incomplete and doesn't allow you to add a user this way. |
| 18:23.32 | Iridos | hm, seems simple enough |
| 18:23.48 | jhutchins_lt | sailerboy: Also, you're trying to add an existing user. |
| 18:23.57 | sailerboy | jhutchins_lt, well, it did that the first time too |
| 18:24.03 | Iridos | yeah, that's true, that seems to be the case |
| 18:24.09 | gnugr | !security updates |
| 18:24.11 | sailerboy | so i should bug the vps provider for giving me a broken template? |
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| 18:24.21 | gnugr | !multimedia |
| 18:24.34 | Iridos | !msg the bot |
| 18:24.43 | Iridos | (if he's there) |
| 18:24.47 | Iridos | or... !ask |
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| 18:25.01 | Delf | Nice.. |
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| 18:28.29 | nvz | how do I set the default application for a file type in nautilus? I.e. make debian packages open with gdebi instead of archive manager |
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| 18:31.35 | joeb_ | -rwxr-xr-x < -- how do i get this ? |
| 18:31.42 | joeb_ | chmod + what ? |
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| 18:32.07 | Bastihase | chmod +1337 |
| 18:32.11 | joeb_ | lol |
| 18:32.38 | nvz | joeb_: 755 |
| 18:32.51 | sailerboy | joe6, chmod 755 |
| 18:32.57 | sailerboy | erm joeb_ |
| 18:32.58 | sailerboy | darn |
| 18:32.59 | sailerboy | got beat |
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| 18:33.32 | nvz | joeb_: and don't use + anything |
| 18:33.41 | joeb_ | k |
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| 18:40.50 | viller | how do I loop over all arguments in a bash script? |
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| 18:42.04 | wolfric | What is it about the new dhclient that makes it silent when running? |
| 18:42.10 | wolfric | in squeeze |
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| 18:45.44 | wolfric | Also, is there anything that people can think should be random per machine that i need to change when i'm cloning hard drives. I've come up with ssh keys ip and hostname (and passwords obviously) |
| 18:45.55 | jhutchins_lt | viller: Peerhaps #bash knows |
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| 18:47.07 | dfdfsdf | hi, my syslog is full of "ath5k phy0 noise floor calibration timeout", how can i disable ath5k logging? |
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| 18:47.46 | viller | thanks jhutchins_lt |
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| 18:51.51 | joeb_ | vnc just isn't working fo rme |
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| 18:52.20 | joeb_ | here is my xstartup for vnc http://pastie.org/1664122 |
| 18:52.51 | joeb_ | is that right ? |
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| 18:56.31 | joeb_ | anyone ? |
| 18:57.17 | jhutchins_lt | joeb_: http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/VNC-Server#head-a62534b6c5b0fecafb137b0606a429864432fee9 |
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| 18:59.02 | jhutchins_lt | joeb_: http://www.realvnc.com/products/enterprise/4.4/x0.html |
| 18:59.07 | wolfric | Anyone on my question earlier on what should be regenerated on a cloned hard machine? |
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| 19:00.54 | jhutchins_lt | joeb_: http://shared-app-vnc.sourceforge.net/sharedappvnc-linux.html#config |
| 19:01.21 | jcgs | !guidelines |
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| 19:01.57 | jhutchins_lt | wolfric: No, it's not like windows. You can clone the same image hundreds of times. |
| 19:02.02 | daemonkeeper | dpkg died? |
| 19:02.13 | jhutchins_lt | daemonkeeper: He's taking the day off. |
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| 19:02.27 | daemonkeeper | Who is replacing that poor bot? |
| 19:02.28 | cahoot | :bot |
| 19:02.29 | dselect | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 19:02.35 | daemonkeeper | Hi, dselect. |
| 19:02.37 | wolfric | jhutchins_lt: right but for example, it's a bad idea to keep the same public private keys for ssh. the nics also get kept from the old uuids so you delete those... I'm wondering if there's anything else of that sort of nature |
| 19:03.02 | wolfric | jhutchins_lt: i realise it would work just fine if i didn't but for security reasons or to be "clean" in the case of the nics |
| 19:03.16 | jhutchins_lt | Wouldn't use uuid's for cloneing. |
| 19:03.28 | joeb_ | jhutchins_lt- all i needed was the xstartup on that but its still solid grey .. the screen looks like a failsafe termina .. i don't see my gnome-session |
| 19:03.48 | jhutchins_lt | :grub |
| 19:03.49 | dselect | [grub] GNU GRUB (GRand Unified Bootloader) 0.9x, aka GRUB Legacy. A powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes and understands many filesystems. To install: "aptitude install grub grub-doc" ("aptitude install grub-legacy grub-legacy-doc" for Squeeze). To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. To migrate from LILO, ask about <lilo->grub>. See also <grub errors>, <grub2>, <supergrub>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
| 19:03.57 | valdyn | wolfric: your filesystems will have identical uuids, thats probably not desireable |
| 19:04.09 | valdyn | wolfric: or maybe it doesnt matter, up to you |
| 19:04.59 | dfdfsdf | ath5k anyone? |
| 19:05.08 | dvs | dfdfsdf: no thanks. not hungry |
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| 19:05.33 | valdyn | wolfric: theres alot that should be different from machine to machine depending on its usage |
| 19:05.54 | dfdfsdf | so.. |
| 19:06.03 | dfdfsdf | can i disable ath5k logging to syslog? |
| 19:06.17 | valdyn | !tell dfdfsdf -about repeat |
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| 19:13.16 | daemonkeeper | valdyn: Fyi :tell today, as dpkg is on holiday apparently. |
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| 19:15.56 | sailerboy | hey, so when i used arch linux, there was a wrapper on pacman that would download all the packages in parallel, is there any wrapper that does that for apt-get? |
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| 19:16.38 | Ticho | sailerboy: is that even a good idea to overload your mirror with multiple concurrent connections? |
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| 19:16.49 | sailerboy | well, it used multiple mirrors |
| 19:16.54 | sailerboy | like 5 or 10 |
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| 19:17.00 | Ticho | i see |
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| 19:17.11 | daemonkeeper | Well, the mirror might not really notice that since local links are much slower. |
| 19:17.19 | sailerboy | lol |
| 19:17.30 | sailerboy | has that been done? |
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| 19:17.40 | daemonkeeper | What? |
| 19:17.51 | Vixxo | Hi everyone, how can I turn on from terminal a wifi card I've turned of pressing the laptop's button ? |
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| 19:18.10 | Vixxo | off* |
| 19:18.13 | sailerboy | daemonkeeper, a wrapper for apt-get that allows concurrent downloads |
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| 19:18.52 | ZitZ | hi, does someone know how to figure out if the version of xbmc i have installed is compiled with external ffmpeg? |
| 19:18.54 | daemonkeeper | Not that I would know about. |
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| 19:19.13 | daemonkeeper | ZitZ: ldd |
| 19:19.16 | joeb_ | ok im connected to vncserver i get a error when i do gnome-session .. error Xlib extesion "RANDAR" mission on display :"2.0" gnome-session[7883] failed to aqure org.gnome.Session manager .. then there is a cound not aqure name on session bus |
| 19:20.00 | ZitZ | daemonkeeper: I don't know what Idd is, sorry |
| 19:20.29 | daemonkeeper | ZitZ: A command. Use it on the binary you want to check. It will display the libraries it is linked agianst |
| 19:20.31 | daemonkeeper | *against |
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| 19:21.42 | dfdfsdf | i suppose ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout is a debug message, can i make rsyslogd not to log debug messages? |
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| 19:22.32 | jhutchins_lt | :ath5k |
| 19:22.32 | dselect | [ath5k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11a/bg PCI wireless LAN chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for more information and supported devices. For AR5007* devices, ask me about <ar2425>. For 802.11n device support, ask me about <ath9k>. |
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| 19:22.42 | ZitZ | daemonkeeper: it says it's not a dynamically executable |
| 19:22.56 | daemonkeeper | ZitZ: Which gives you your answer as well |
| 19:23.24 | daemonkeeper | "Which gives you an answer to your question as well" I should have said |
| 19:23.25 | jhutchins_lt | dfdfsdf: You're going to have to track that down through the ath5k support - I'd start with the wiki above and check sourceforge. |
| 19:23.43 | ofauchon | Hi. how long will debian 5 be maintained ? and document explaining release lifecycles ? thx |
| 19:24.02 | daemonkeeper | ofauchon: About a year after the latest stable release. |
| 19:24.16 | daemonkeeper | ofauchon: Debian follows no strict release cycles in general. |
| 19:24.34 | AthomIk | hey i have a great aptitude problem |
| 19:24.35 | AthomIk | E: Sub-process /usr/sbin/apt-listbugs apt || exit 10 returned an error code (10) |
| 19:24.35 | AthomIk | E: Failure running script /usr/sbin/apt-listbugs apt || exit 10 |
| 19:24.36 | AthomIk | A package failed to install. Trying to recover: |
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| 19:24.41 | dfdfsdf | jhutchins_lt, well many have this problem, this debug message is logged to syslog, but it's nothing of importance, because the wifi works, just the annoying messages to syslog from time to time |
| 19:24.55 | ofauchon | daemonkeeper, thx |
| 19:25.31 | dfdfsdf | jhutchins_lt, so if i can't stop ath5k from logging maybe i can work something with rsyslogd |
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| 19:25.40 | dfdfsdf | like not to log debug messages |
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| 19:26.26 | AthomIk | exist cmd for repair aptitude ? |
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| 19:27.03 | mooglenorph | anyone have experience running squeeze on one of the new macbook airs? |
| 19:29.04 | mooglenorph | The "DebianOn" wiki lists sleep and hibernate features as little question marks, is why I am asking. |
| 19:29.09 | jhutchins_lt | dfdfsdf: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-to-display-or-show-information-about-a-linux-kernel-module-or-drivers.html |
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| 19:32.40 | sailerboy | debhelper, why the limit? |
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| 19:33.39 | access_d | sailerboy: if i remember right, it avoids flooding of nicknames. it always stays higher than the actual amount of people in here. |
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| 19:35.06 | AthomIk | hello my system package is break http://pastebin.com/BvGummKh |
| 19:35.21 | AthomIk | i have run aptitude install xxx, and close the terminal |
| 19:35.28 | AthomIk | how i can repair this |
| 19:35.58 | valdyn | AthomIk: restore from backup |
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| 19:36.12 | AthomIk | valdyn: héhé |
| 19:36.16 | valdyn | AthomIk: what does "tar" give ? |
| 19:36.43 | AthomIk | valdyn: no use, only pbzip2 and dd for save lvm |
| 19:37.03 | valdyn | AthomIk: what is the result if you put "tar" in your terminal? |
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| 19:37.25 | AthomIk | if i input tare, i found valdyn :D |
| 19:37.38 | valdyn | AthomIk: you dont want to be helped? |
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| 19:38.11 | AthomIk | valdyn: tar is not for repair aptitude |
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| 19:38.21 | valdyn | AthomIk: but your tar is broken |
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| 19:38.50 | AthomIk | harfffff excuse valdyn i have think a humour..... |
| 19:39.36 | daemonkeeper | Your /bin/tar is not executable (ENOEXEC) |
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| 19:40.51 | AthomIk | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Mar 12 12:10 /bin/tar* |
| 19:40.54 | smacnay | Is there a delay in the nvidia updates or xorg updates in sid right now? |
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| 19:41.07 | valdyn | AthomIk: wheres that * from? |
| 19:41.22 | AthomIk | * is executable i think |
| 19:41.47 | valdyn | AthomIk: you need tar to get a new tar, so do this on a different machine |
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| 19:42.11 | Ticho | or maybe the filesystem is mounted with noexec? |
| 19:42.12 | daemonkeeper | Can you do a file /bin/tar and/or tar -v? |
| 19:42.24 | AthomIk | valdyn: i can get a new tar of other squezze machine ? |
| 19:42.28 | valdyn | AthomIk: go to http://packages.debian.org/ and grab the tar package for your release, use dpkg -x on a seperate debian system to extract |
| 19:42.33 | daemonkeeper | tar --version, sorry |
| 19:42.36 | valdyn | AthomIk: yes, you can |
| 19:42.45 | AthomIk | ok i have vm |
| 19:42.46 | valdyn | daemonkeeper: filesize was zero |
| 19:42.50 | AthomIk | thk |
| 19:43.06 | daemonkeeper | valdyn: Ah, good observation |
| 19:43.30 | AthomIk | no other vm is 32bits, my host is amd64 |
| 19:43.37 | AthomIk | i go to debian package |
| 19:43.38 | valdyn | AthomIk: theres alot more broken probably, but at least the error about apt-listbugs doesnt matter, you dont need apt-listbugs to work properly for now |
| 19:43.49 | erAbuelo | re buenas |
| 19:44.01 | valdyn | AthomIk: dpkg -x file.deb will extract to the current diretory |
| 19:44.09 | daemonkeeper | Get it from here http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/tar |
| 19:44.20 | daemonkeeper | Download the package and extract it as valdyn indicates |
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| 19:45.06 | daemonkeeper | We might discuss how that happened though, e.g. to determine whether your system might be seriously broken. |
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| 19:45.49 | valdyn | terminating dpkg while its dealing with essential packages .... zkzk |
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| 19:46.49 | daemonkeeper | I didn't follow the discussion previously, did he? |
| 19:47.02 | valdyn | daemonkeeper: yea, closed the window |
| 19:48.12 | AthomIk | dpkg-deb: --extract needs a target directory. |
| 19:48.25 | AthomIk | and dpkg -x tar.Xxxx . not run |
| 19:48.37 | valdyn | AthomIk: sure that runs |
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| 19:49.30 | daemonkeeper | Alternatives include ar x |
| 19:49.42 | AthomIk | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/NqnsJeWE |
| 19:49.42 | daemonkeeper | Though that needs a working tar as well |
| 19:50.08 | valdyn | AthomIk: why was that process killed? |
| 19:50.31 | AthomIk | valdyn: i not see |
| 19:50.42 | valdyn | AthomIk: are you trying to run those commands on the same machine that has a broken tar? |
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| 19:51.19 | daemonkeeper | Do "dpkg -x tar_1.23-3_amd64.deb . " |
| 19:51.22 | AthomIk | valdyn: yes |
| 19:51.25 | daemonkeeper | (Mind the dot) |
| 19:51.40 | AthomIk | ok i must dpkg -x on other machine |
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| 19:53.19 | valdyn | AthomIk: -x needs tar, and your tar is broken. |
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| 19:57.23 | AthomIk | valdyn: very thk for youre help !!!!! |
| 19:58.29 | AthomIk | valdyn: is a strange error, break aptitude install and loose tar cmd |
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| 19:58.54 | AthomIk | daemonkeeper: thk for you re help too |
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| 20:01.17 | AthomIk | terrible, i have remove my nvidia drivers for install debian nvidia package, break the install and loose my x and my aptitude :D |
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| 20:03.14 | AthomIk | ok i be back |
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| 20:08.07 | Delf | Where do I set the XDMCP rights? |
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| 20:13.16 | hid3 | Hello everyone. How's debian pronounced? Is it DEbian ir debIAn? |
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| 20:13.52 | dvs | DEB-IAN |
| 20:15.08 | hid3 | still not clear :( |
| 20:15.11 | foetus | is adjusting his wireless lan with a desk lamp :) |
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| 20:15.31 | wolfric | deb "the letter e" an |
| 20:15.58 | wolfric | although it's more in not an |
| 20:16.11 | wolfric | i suppose that's more of an accent though |
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| 20:18.34 | foetus | it sounds amourous with a french accent :) |
| 20:19.09 | dvs | http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-basic_defs.en.html#s-pronunciation |
| 20:20.04 | hid3 | Thanks |
| 20:20.07 | Delf | Deb-e'n |
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| 20:21.28 | joeb_ | x11vnc has like a magnifiying glass thing |
| 20:21.36 | joeb_ | anyway to get rid of it and just display my whole screen ? |
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| 20:22.45 | foetus | is switching between average and good.. and .. is missing a cable.. |
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| 20:23.25 | jhutchins_lt | joeb_: Match the screen res. |
| 20:23.45 | Selveste1 | !dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 20:24.07 | themill | dselect: tell Selveste1 about lenny->squeeze |
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| 20:24.38 | Selveste1 | themill: thanks, it didn't work when i wrote /msg to dpkg |
| 20:24.51 | jhutchins_lt | Deb as in Deborah, ian as in Ian. |
| 20:24.53 | themill | dpkg isn't here right now; dselect is filling in |
| 20:25.05 | Selveste1 | ahh :) |
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| 20:25.56 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg took the weekend off. |
| 20:26.23 | foetus | not yet.. |
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| 20:27.42 | joeb_ | oh |
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| 20:28.13 | joeb_ | jhutchins- so basically x11vnc -geometry etc . ? |
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| 20:28.38 | jhutchins_lt | joeb_: You may actually have to reduce the resolution on the remote desktop. |
| 20:28.50 | joeb_ | hmm |
| 20:30.07 | wissem | HI |
| 20:30.27 | jhutchins_lt | Rember, the higher the resolution the more data has to be transferred. |
| 20:31.05 | wissem | I wanted to know, is there LoCo teams for debian like the ones within ubuntu ? |
| 20:31.46 | jhutchins_lt | joeb_: At 1024x768x32bpp you have 25MB of data for each screen refresh. |
| 20:32.10 | access_d | what are some good options for kernel dumping? my debian server is locking up every few days, which leaves me to a hard reboot and no log of why it crashed. |
| 20:32.21 | jhutchins_lt | wissem: What are LoCo teams - I don't keep up-to-date on the latest Canonnical antics. |
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| 20:33.33 | AthomIk | huum debian package have not nvidia gt 430 |
| 20:33.41 | AthomIk | return to nivida drivers |
| 20:33.59 | access_d | i was told kernel-dev-tools, but that package doesn't seem to exist. just something that will dump the last 10 seconds to a log file in /var/log.. would be awesome. |
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| 20:35.15 | wissem | jhutchins_lt: a team that represent ubuntu and canonical philosophy on each country |
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| 20:35.26 | wissem | loco united states,loco france etc |
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| 20:36.31 | engla | jhutchins_lt: (it's not a new thing) |
| 20:36.51 | jhutchins_lt | wissem: Not being a corporate entity, debian has community members all over the globe. |
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| 20:37.46 | wissem | oh i see |
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| 20:37.59 | jhutchins_lt | wissem: Nothing official that I know of. |
| 20:38.29 | wissem | but when it comes to events, can community members ask for stickers,cds,and other material |
| 20:38.57 | engla | it /looks/ pretty official http://france.debian.net/ |
| 20:39.59 | themill | engla: debian.net stuff is not official; it's organised by volunteers associated with the debian project, that's all. |
| 20:40.17 | simonrvn | .org is official, .net is ... what he said |
| 20:40.24 | engla | I know that |
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| 20:41.11 | engla | it's an official association I guess because they have "status" |
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| 20:41.23 | engla | *"statuts" |
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| 20:41.43 | themill | They have status under French law if that's what you mean. Doesn't say anything about them having anything to do with debian |
| 20:41.49 | simonrvn | had it right the first time |
| 20:41.57 | simonrvn | (the typing) |
| 20:42.00 | themill | http://wiki.debian.org/LocalGroups/ |
| 20:42.22 | wissem | debian.net is redirecting to debian.org thought |
| 20:42.43 | simonrvn | probably snapshots. ... |
| 20:42.57 | engla | statuts = rules of the organization |
| 20:43.17 | simonrvn | oh, 'statutes' |
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| 20:47.00 | joeb_ | jhutchins- there a command line output to change the diplay ? it still looks wierd |
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| 20:48.02 | jhutchins_lt | joeb_: I think xrandr can do that. |
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| 20:48.19 | joeb_ | do i do xrandar on the host ore the remote machine ? |
| 20:48.23 | jhutchins_lt | joeb_: pay attention to which display it's acting on though. |
| 20:48.26 | jhutchins_lt | remote |
| 20:48.41 | joeb_ | the remote machine is a mac |
| 20:49.40 | joeb_ | xrandar shows this machine im on right now jhulst as 1600x900 |
| 20:49.51 | joeb_ | this machine im on right now has the x11vnc server |
| 20:50.06 | joeb_ | the remote machine is a mac |
| 20:50.33 | jhutchins_lt | #osx |
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| 20:50.58 | jhutchins_lt | joeb_: Dunno if it has xrandr or not - or if it's running X. |
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| 20:51.38 | macrobat | is there something like mp3gain that works for ogg to adjust sound volume? |
| 20:51.44 | jhutchins_lt | joeb_: Rule of thumb is that your local display should equal or exceed the remote's. |
| 20:52.00 | macrobat | or other formats... |
| 20:52.03 | jhutchins_lt | Selveste1: dpkg has the weekend off. |
| 20:52.24 | jhutchins_lt | D'Oh, srollbuffererror. |
| 20:52.52 | Selveste1 | jhutchins_lt: yes, thanks, i know :) |
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| 20:53.49 | cahoot | macrobat: normalize isn't what you want? |
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| 20:54.27 | joeb_ | local machine is 1600x900 remote is 1440x900 |
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| 20:55.07 | joeb_ | jhutchins_lt- you think that is the issue ? local is 1600x900 and remote is 1440x900 ? |
| 20:55.31 | joeb_ | i can change resolution on local |
| 20:55.32 | cahoot | macrobat: there seems to exist something called vorbisgain |
| 20:55.35 | khaleel5000 | !kfreebsd |
| 20:56.23 | khaleel5000 | is dpkg bot offline? |
| 20:56.23 | macrobat | vorbisgain, nice. normalize seems old |
| 20:56.34 | wolfric | i'm trying to run resize2fs but it keeps saying please run e2fsck first even though i've run it a multiple times and exactly in the format that it specifies e2fsck -f /dev/sda1 Is there anyway to force it? |
| 20:56.36 | joeb_ | jhutchins_lt- i found the issue .. its the client im using 0_o |
| 20:56.41 | joeb_ | i fixed it jhutchins_lt |
| 20:56.52 | macrobat | ravenbird: seen dpkg |
| 20:56.53 | ravenbird | dpkg was last seen in #debian 26m 0s ago: <dpkg> Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here. |
| 20:57.46 | wolfric | nvm |
| 20:58.07 | khaleel5000 | no wonder he is missing :D |
| 20:58.32 | Iridos | russian mafia got him |
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| 21:00.52 | SerajewelKS | i've decided that i hate printers... or printing software. the squeeze upgrade broke cups. :X |
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| 21:01.07 | themill | khaleel5000: use dselect instead |
| 21:02.00 | jhutchins_lt | joeb_: Yay. What did you do to fix it? |
| 21:02.18 | SerajewelKS | all jobs are "processing" but never seem to reach the printer and i'm not sure how to debug this |
| 21:02.19 | jhutchins_lt | macrobat: He's on oftc.net, just not here. |
| 21:02.24 | joeb_ | jhutchins_lt- im using jollyvnc viewer .. at the top there is a view button / double size full screen actual size |
| 21:02.27 | SerajewelKS | the cups error logs don't show anything related to this |
| 21:02.31 | macrobat | aha |
| 21:02.35 | joeb_ | jhutchins_lt- it was on half size |
| 21:03.07 | jhutchins_lt | joeb_: Local client setting? Which client are you using? |
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| 21:03.54 | joeb_ | jhutchins_lt- im using jollyvnc viewer .. at the top there is a view button / double size full screen actual size |
| 21:04.07 | jhutchins_lt | joeb_: Got it. That's a new one on me. |
| 21:04.13 | joeb_ | yep |
| 21:04.17 | joeb_ | its actually jollyfastvnc |
| 21:04.19 | joeb_ | so weird |
| 21:04.20 | joeb_ | :D |
| 21:04.21 | dselect | d is probably a systems programming language. Its focus is on combining the power and high performance of C and C++ with the programmer productivity of modern languages like Ruby and Python. Special attention is given to the needs of quality assurance, documentation, management, portability and reliability. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D_%28programming_language%29, or uninterruptible sleep (usually IO) |
| 21:05.41 | jhutchins_lt | joeb_: There are several clients available in the debian packaging system |
| 21:06.05 | joeb_ | yes but the remote computer is a mac |
| 21:06.10 | themill | contemplates whether : was a good choice for dselect |
| 21:06.12 | joeb_ | im trying to control deiban from a mac computer |
| 21:06.35 | macrobat | @ is a seldom used token |
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| 21:07.05 | nvz | tell that to people who use email, FB and twitter |
| 21:07.10 | jhutchins_lt | joeb_: Right, but vnc is a standard protocol. |
| 21:07.16 | dr_traktor | Can you use xinetd to restrict how often one can connect through ssh? |
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| 21:07.36 | jhutchins_lt | joeb_: As I recall the mac doesn't like tightvnc because of it's default encoding, easier to just switch to realvnc than figure it out. |
| 21:07.58 | joeb_ | k |
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| 21:09.04 | buntunub | hi. i am getting sql errors every time i try to sudo apt-get upgrade on my mthtv server -- mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 21:09.04 | buntunub | error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' |
| 21:09.14 | jhutchins_lt | dr_traktor: I don't believe you can, but you can use iptables throttling and that will help prevent brute-force attacks. |
| 21:09.15 | buntunub | is there any way to fix this\? |
| 21:10.15 | jhutchins_lt | buntunub: Did you do anything that would have changed the default account passwords (like replace the main mysql database)? |
| 21:10.57 | jhutchins_lt | buntunub: I've seen several people have password problems after upgrading to squeeze but I haven't figured anything out yet. |
| 21:11.12 | dr_traktor | jhutchins_lt: What package should I install to use iptables? |
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| 21:13.22 | jhutchins_lt | buntunub: Systems like mythtv often replace mysql database file in order to add users/passwords, debian uses control files that rely on non-default accounts. |
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| 21:14.01 | jhutchins_lt | buntunub: So it's trying to do some kind of maintenance as user debian-sys-maint and failing to log in. |
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| 21:14.23 | jhutchins_lt | buntunub: I think you can find some info on this in /usr/share/doc/mysql* |
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| 21:14.53 | jhutchins_lt | buntunub: _Probably_ all it's trying to do is restart to use the new version. |
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| 21:16.02 | khaleel5000 | does debian-6.0.0-i386-kde-CD-1 contain kde4x or 3x? |
| 21:16.11 | buntunub | kde 4.4 |
| 21:16.16 | khaleel5000 | thanks |
| 21:16.17 | pipeline | kde 3.x is no longer packaged by debian |
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| 21:16.46 | tuv | is there any realtime list of debian mirrors' status? |
| 21:17.01 | joeb_ | i got another question .. i bet you guys hate me .. lol i installed an app and i forgot a password that has something to do with a keyring .. how do i find all my keyrings and rm the one i want ? i did a find / -name "keyring" and that didn't show anything |
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| 21:18.27 | joeb_ | s/want/don't want |
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| 21:20.44 | pipeline | joeb_: I'm guessing the key ring was either your personal gnome keyring or your personal kde keyring |
| 21:20.59 | joeb_ | pipeline- im on gnome |
| 21:21.01 | pipeline | joeb_: google should be able to locate the appropriate files inside your home directory... probably ~/.kde/something/something or ~/.gnome2/something/something |
| 21:21.11 | pipeline | joeb_: yes, but the application you were using may or may not be a gnome application |
| 21:21.33 | pipeline | joeb_: gnome and kde are not mutually exclusive ... they're just collections of applications. |
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| 21:22.50 | joeb_ | whats wierd is that the twitter client im using that wants me to auth is only when i connect to the internet .. ie .. i disconnect from wifi right .. as soon as i enable wifi the twitter client / keyring wants a password |
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| 21:24.56 | joeb_ | so i have a .gnome2/keyrings and a .gnome/keyrings2.bkp .. i did a rm * in .gnome2/keygrings .. i disconnected wifi and re-connect and boom it wanted me to put in a new password |
| 21:25.03 | joeb_ | i think its a keygring for my wif so it auto connects |
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| 21:30.20 | dr_traktor | How can I edit existing iptables? |
| 21:30.24 | joeb_ | yea the keyring was for my wifi to auto connect |
| 21:30.31 | pipeline | dr_traktor: the iptables command. man iptables. |
| 21:30.56 | amigo1 | Hi guys |
| 21:31.09 | amigo1 | quick question |
| 21:31.33 | amigo1 | I am having problems to play movies on Totem Movie Player 2.22.2 |
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| 21:31.42 | cousin_mario | Hello. |
| 21:31.55 | amigo1 | It says: could not read from recource :( |
| 21:32.10 | amigo1 | Any ideas how could I fix that? |
| 21:32.12 | cousin_mario | In what log do the php fatal errors usually go? |
| 21:33.17 | dr_traktor | If i use 'iptables -L' will I see if there is an ssh rate restriction in place? |
| 21:33.22 | pipeline | amigo1: that error could mean any number of things |
| 21:33.27 | pipeline | dr_traktor: yep |
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| 21:33.39 | pipeline | dr_traktor: you may want -n -L so that you don't have to wait for a bunch of reverse dns lookups |
| 21:33.52 | dr_traktor | pipeline: The output was default. |
| 21:34.00 | dr_traktor | pipeline: But thanks for the tip. |
| 21:34.39 | amigo1 | ok I'll try to be more specific |
| 21:35.17 | amigo1 | my DVD contains a bunch of IFO, VOB files |
| 21:35.27 | pipeline | amigo1: that's a huge tipoff right there |
| 21:35.36 | amigo1 | and it doesn't read that? |
| 21:35.37 | pipeline | amigo1: typically proper software to play dvds isn't installed or available in debian for ugly legal reasons |
| 21:36.06 | dr_traktor | So I discovered that I can't connect to my VPS server through SSH port 22 too often. Ie. I connect about 4 times within one minute, the fifth connection will be rejected, it doesn't even show up in auth.log. I can connect through other ports as often as I like. I suspected there was an iptables restriction in place, but I can't see any. Do you have any idea what else can cause this behaviour? |
| 21:36.23 | pipeline | amigo1: you probably want to get your system set up for the debian-multimedia.org (c. marillat's repo) |
| 21:36.29 | jhutchins | :dmm |
| 21:36.29 | dselect | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 21:36.35 | jhutchins | :dvd |
| 21:36.35 | dselect | [dvd] Digital Versatile Disc. To play a video DVD, ask me about <dvd playback>, then use either <totem>, <vlc>, <xine> or <mplayer>. To burn a DVD, ask me about <wodim> or <growisofs>. To download Debian DVD images, ask me about <iso> and <small dvd>. To buy Debian DVDs, ask me about <vendors>. To copy/rip/transcode DVD video, ask me about <dvd ripping>. |
| 21:36.39 | pipeline | amigo1: it includes a lot of patent-encumbered or illegal-in-the-u.s. software that debian doesn't package |
| 21:37.02 | pipeline | hey what's this new dselect bot |
| 21:37.20 | amigo1 | ok then... is there any way I can play dvds on Debian? |
| 21:37.22 | jhutchins | pipeline: He's filling for dpkg who's gone over to oftc.net for the weekend. |
| 21:37.42 | Iridos | ah, all right, I tried ravenbird and that seems broken |
| 21:37.51 | Iridos | :decss |
| 21:37.51 | dselect | [decss] PURE GOOD!!!, or ask me about <livid>, or now illegal in the US, just like rom sites (laugh), or see http://www.a-es2.uu.nl/~bas/DeCSS/decss.html. Dave Touretzky (CMU CS prof) has a gallery of descramblers at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/index.html . Not to be confused with <libdvdcss>. |
| 21:38.02 | pipeline | jhutchins: huh. Is oftc.net #debian higher-traffic than freenode now ? |
| 21:38.10 | jhutchins | mplayer might be able to play it |
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| 21:38.19 | pipeline | amigo1: the tips from jhutchins/deselect cover everything you would want to know. |
| 21:38.23 | jhutchins | pipeline: About 50% as big. |
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| 21:39.07 | amigo1 | ok any links where I can find it? |
| 21:39.19 | joeb_ | do i need port 111 rcpbind open ? |
| 21:39.45 | joeb_ | prob not |
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| 21:42.24 | dr_traktor | I discovered that I can't connect to my VPS server through SSH port 22 too often. Ie. I connect about 4 times within one minute, the fifth connection will be rejected, it doesn't even show up in auth.log. I can connect through other ports as often as I like. I suspected there was an iptables restriction in place for port 22, but I can't see any. Do you have any idea what else can cause this behavior? |
| 21:42.44 | joeb_ | wow this firestarter is nice |
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| 21:44.22 | adama_ | ,seen dpkg |
| 21:44.34 | adama_ | :\ |
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| 21:48.06 | dmpeters63 | hey guys Im new debian & I just installed squeeze on my desktop but for some reason I cant connect to the the internet - I'm running a ethernet cable directly from my modem to my desktop - any ideas? |
| 21:48.29 | dmpeters63 | I can ping web address just fine too |
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| 21:49.22 | petemc | dmpeters63: telnet google.com 80 |
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| 21:50.56 | Iridos | dr_traktor, fail2ban |
| 21:51.02 | silner | When you say modem dmpeters63 do you mean router? most adsl modems I've seen connect via USB? |
| 21:51.36 | dmpeters63 | petemc: Name or service not known |
| 21:51.40 | dmpeters63 | silner: yeah sorry |
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| 21:51.56 | joeb_ | dmpeters63- type telnet |
| 21:52.34 | Tecumseh | I'm trying to install squeeze to a via c3 533 machine using an usb flashdrive. I have added syslinux to the flashdrive along with the kernel, initrd and the mini.iso. Booting works just fine but the iso file is not found by the installer, is there any way I can get the installer going further? flashdrive is mounted perfectly on /hd-media |
| 21:53.17 | dmpeters63 | joeb_: okay now what? |
| 21:53.36 | petemc | dmpeters63: you say you can ping hostnames ok? |
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| 21:53.53 | pipeline | dr_traktor: cat /proc/user_beancounters |
| 21:54.09 | pipeline | dr_traktor: it's also possible that an upstream router is doing the rate limiting, and it's out of your hands |
| 21:54.27 | pipeline | dr_traktor: if you don't have a user_beancounters, that's good, it means you're on a halfway decent VPS and not virtuozzo/openvz ;) |
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| 21:54.41 | Dev0n | hey, in the find command, which switch is to filter by file created time ? |
| 21:54.56 | Dev0n | -atime is access, -ctime is change and -mtime is modified... ;/ ? |
| 21:55.03 | Dev0n | is there even a created time switch ? |
| 21:55.05 | dr_traktor | pipeline: I have beancounters :( |
| 21:55.07 | petemc | dmpeters63: if dns isnt working, look at /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 21:55.31 | valdyn | Dev0n: nope |
| 21:55.33 | dmpeters63 | petemc: yeah when I ping google.com I get a response but when I got the browser I get "Unable to load page" |
| 21:55.37 | Dev0n | wow :/ |
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| 21:55.44 | Dev0n | that's so lame |
| 21:55.57 | dr_traktor | pipeline: So what should this beancounters tell me? |
| 21:55.58 | pipeline | dr_traktor: find a better host. Virtuozzo/OpenVZ are horrible. In the age of linode/slicehost selling $20 VMs with no serious limitations, there's no reason to use a VPS in 2011. |
| 21:56.04 | Dev0n | which one of the switches is closest to create time then ? |
| 21:56.05 | valdyn | Dev0n: thats good |
| 21:56.06 | pipeline | dr_traktor: beancounters should read all zeroes |
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| 21:56.07 | petemc | dmpeters63: and telnet cant resolve the name? |
| 21:56.11 | Dev0n | how so ? |
| 21:56.14 | valdyn | Dev0n: creation time is useless |
| 21:56.33 | Dev0n | but what if I want to delete file that were create 1 month ago |
| 21:56.35 | valdyn | Dev0n: because a change might easily be implemented by a recreation |
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| 21:56.51 | valdyn | Dev0n: ( and in reality it often is ) |
| 21:56.57 | Dev0n | true |
| 21:56.59 | dr_traktor | pipeline: I'll think about it. This VPS is less then $10 |
| 21:57.07 | dr_traktor | pipeline: So what do you mean read all zeroes? |
| 21:57.08 | pipeline | dr_traktor: you're probably running out of tcp sockets / tcp buffers, but it could be a lot of things. Also, resource-related failures are a real pain in the ass to troubleshoot, because a lot of software doesn't check return codes and can't really recover from these classes of error... they're extremely rare outside VZ. |
| 21:57.09 | dmpeters63 | petemc: telnet google.com 80 - could not rexolve |
| 21:57.12 | Dev0n | but that implies the original file is deletd |
| 21:57.15 | Dev0n | and a new file is recreated |
| 21:57.17 | pipeline | dr_traktor: I mean every number in bean counters should be zero |
| 21:57.18 | Tecumseh | on the buglist I have found some sollution, somehow the manual is perhaps flawed |
| 21:57.23 | Dev0n | with the same name, thus changing created time |
| 21:57.29 | valdyn | Dev0n: that is what i said |
| 21:57.36 | dr_traktor | pipeline: That's not the case http://paste.debian.net/110515/ |
| 21:57.39 | Dev0n | I know, hence why I said "that implies" |
| 21:57.44 | Dev0n | but that doesn't always happen |
| 21:57.49 | Dev0n | well not with my case anyway |
| 21:57.58 | pipeline | dr_traktor: christ those beancounters are useless, no failcnts |
| 21:58.07 | dr_traktor | pipeline: As I said there is no such limitation with 8722 port for example only 22. |
| 21:58.08 | Dev0n | so, -ctime is what I should use for what I'm trying to achieve ? |
| 21:58.17 | AthomIk | nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-dkms haven t drivers for GT 430.... |
| 21:58.21 | pipeline | dr_traktor: it's probably an upstream router then |
| 21:58.28 | valdyn | Dev0n: if you dont know, how could we ? |
| 21:58.31 | pipeline | dr_traktor: dude, openvz/vz is almost always the worst product for any given need |
| 21:58.35 | dr_traktor | pipeline: I see. Well, the company denies any such thing. |
| 21:58.39 | pipeline | dr_traktor: if your needs are modest, go find a shared hosting or shell server |
| 21:58.46 | pipeline | dr_traktor: if your needs are ever so slightly less modest, buy a VM |
| 21:59.02 | Dev0n | don't know what valdyn ? |
| 21:59.04 | Dev0n | <Dev0n> but what if I want to delete file that were create 1 month ago |
| 21:59.27 | dr_traktor | pipeline: Will a shell server enable me to run any application I please? |
| 21:59.30 | pipeline | dr_traktor: I used to run a VZ environment, and it was basically a scam. Can't imagine what purpose would be too beefy for shared hosting, but not beefy enough to justify $20 a month for a real VM without arbitrary process limits. |
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| 21:59.49 | pipeline | dr_traktor: typically not -- shell servers typically want you to run a very restricted list. That's why they're shell hosts and not VMs :) |
| 22:00.04 | valdyn | Dev0n: how could we know if ctime would serve your intended purpose? |
| 22:00.09 | pipeline | dr_traktor: shared hosts typically restrain your applications also, but to a very long list |
| 22:00.21 | dr_traktor | pipeline: Well here I can run whatever I want for $9. |
| 22:00.32 | pipeline | dr_traktor: you can run whatever you want (that happens to run OK inside the nightmare that is a VZ VPS) |
| 22:00.39 | Dev0n | your experince ? |
| 22:00.51 | Dev0n | experience* |
| 22:01.00 | pipeline | dr_traktor: I am asserting that for $9 a month, there is no way you are getting what you are paying for -- you could get considerably more than twice the utility from spending twice the money |
| 22:01.04 | jhutchins_lt | buntunub: I also often miss private queries - which is why they don't bother me. /etc/init.d/mysql start/stop should work. |
| 22:01.17 | dr_traktor | pipeline: Okay, point taken. |
| 22:01.19 | pipeline | dr_traktor: another ugly thing about this industry -- at $9 a month, customer service isn't worth doing |
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| 22:01.29 | dr_traktor | pipeline: Yes, I experienced that. |
| 22:01.31 | pipeline | dr_traktor: typically these hosts actually outsource customer service and pay $1-$3 per ticket |
| 22:01.34 | pipeline | dr_traktor: those are the GOOD hosts |
| 22:01.38 | valdyn | Dev0n: using ctime as if it were creation time will certainly not delete to many files |
| 22:01.40 | pipeline | dr_traktor: the bad ones just drop support mail |
| 22:01.55 | Dev0n | what do you sugest I use ? |
| 22:01.58 | pipeline | dr_traktor: acquiring a new customer costs less than supportign existing ones, so it makes sense to invest their money in gear and marketing, not support services :P |
| 22:01.58 | valdyn | Dev0n: if you want to delete files older than some time in the past |
| 22:02.07 | Dev0n | ^ yea, that is what I want to di |
| 22:02.10 | Dev0n | do* |
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| 22:02.21 | pipeline | dr_traktor: it's a lot like cable and phone companies in that respect. They're assholes because it pays to be an asshole :) |
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| 22:02.28 | valdyn | Dev0n: just do whatever you think, *my* experiene is of no use to you |
| 22:02.40 | Dev0n | :/ |
| 22:02.41 | dselect | ~/ is your home dir silly!, or root, of all Unix |
| 22:02.41 | apt | ...but / is already something else... |
| 22:02.54 | Dev0n | that was helpful |
| 22:02.57 | Dev0n | thx valdyn |
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| 22:04.25 | dr_traktor | pipeline: I know. But as long as I can do my work with the cheapest solution I will. I'm cheap. |
| 22:05.18 | pipeline | dr_traktor: yeah, on the low end, shared hosting is usually a better deal than a VPS |
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| 22:09.22 | silner | I wonder what make of router dmpeters6 had. I could find any issues with Debian 6 and Ethernet connections at all |
| 22:09.33 | silner | could=couldn't |
| 22:09.52 | dr_traktor | pipeline: But I need the freedom offered by VPS. |
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| 22:11.30 | pipeline | dr_traktor: then shell out... or suffer. |
| 22:11.43 | pipeline | dr_traktor: this is just one of those immutable laws of the universe |
| 22:11.55 | pipeline | dr_traktor: the cheapest host that is worth a damn is $15-20, much as the cheapest running car you can find is about $500 |
| 22:12.10 | pipeline | dr_traktor: no matter how bad the car, if it runs, it's worth $500... so if it's for sale under that price, you know you're about to be screwed. |
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| 22:13.34 | dr_traktor | pipeline: Yeh, Ill think about that. |
| 22:14.27 | jhutchins_lt | pipeline: Who do you recommend for $15-$20? |
| 22:14.37 | Torne | is there any way to pair and use a bluetooth keyboard with bluez 4.x without having a GUI? The only tools that seem to do it any more require gnome/kde/gtk, and hidd is listed as being deprecated |
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| 22:15.13 | jhutchins_lt | Torne: GTK really isn't gui. |
| 22:15.51 | Torne | er |
| 22:16.16 | Torne | it depends on lots of bits of X :) |
| 22:16.17 | MrFrood | Does anybody know the command to restart OSS4? |
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| 22:21.30 | frikinz | Has anyone been able to use 'trickle' for rate limiting ? I have a friend that needs to download something on my sshd server but don't want it to fuck up the upload.. any idea? |
| 22:21.57 | valdyn | frikinz: use trickle |
| 22:22.13 | frikinz | valdyn: but it doesn't throttle anything :/ |
| 22:22.25 | pipeline | frikinz: it's usually not worth it. Just let him go hog wild and rely on the kernel tcp/ip stack to do the Right Thing. |
| 22:22.30 | valdyn | frikinz: so youre using it wrongly |
| 22:22.44 | frikinz | pipeline: no, there are other machines on the link ;) |
| 22:22.57 | pipeline | frikinz: TCP still typically does pretty well under congestion. |
| 22:22.58 | frikinz | valdyn: ok, you've managed then. fine |
| 22:23.00 | valdyn | frikinz: whats your uplink? |
| 22:23.07 | pipeline | frikinz: try it and see if it's a problem before you assume you need rate-limiting |
| 22:23.15 | valdyn | frikinz: i mean, what type? dsl? |
| 22:23.18 | frikinz | valdyn: here ~ 200k/s |
| 22:23.28 | valdyn | frikinz: yea, i didnt want the speed |
| 22:23.34 | frikinz | but there's skype on the same link on a windows machine. |
| 22:23.56 | frikinz | dsl |
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| 22:23.57 | valdyn | frikinz: ive used trickle, just for playing around, i actually use linux tc |
| 22:24.21 | frikinz | valdyn: I've tried tc but didn't get that far in the doc :) |
| 22:24.25 | pipeline | frikinz: but natch -- most things tolerate congestion. Try it and see. |
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| 22:24.52 | valdyn | frikinz: you need to rate limit your upload to ~90% of capacity anyway |
| 22:25.09 | valdyn | frikinz: theres plenty hints on google on how to do that, you do not need something very sophisticated |
| 22:25.42 | frikinz | valdyn: do you pass options to trickled or to trickle? |
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| 22:26.01 | frikinz | I need global rate limiting. |
| 22:26.08 | frikinz | no priority |
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| 22:26.18 | valdyn | frikinz: yes exactly |
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| 22:26.45 | valdyn | frikinz: i dont remember trickle switches, its been years |
| 22:27.09 | frikinz | well, trickle does start sshd but if I try I get 90K while I've put 10 max |
| 22:28.14 | valdyn | frikinz: sounds like youre mixing bits and bytes? |
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| 22:28.44 | frikinz | no |
| 22:28.49 | frikinz | I've tried others |
| 22:29.48 | valdyn | frikinz: lets see the command line so i can havea quick look |
| 22:30.49 | frikinz | hum but sshd spawns scp then |
| 22:31.05 | valdyn | frikinz: im not sure thats relevant |
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| 22:32.29 | frikinz | trickle -v -u 20 -s /usr/sbin/sshd. I've tried with trickled started also and with -s (standalone) |
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| 22:35.12 | valdyn | frikinz: youre right, doesnt work with sshd |
| 22:35.26 | valdyn | frikinz: and the forking has nothing to do with that, you can stop forking with -d |
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| 22:42.57 | AthomIk | bye |
| 22:43.54 | erAbuelo | hasta mañana |
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| 22:46.48 | valdyn | frikinz: looks like forking is still the cause, even with -d, I gave up on trickle |
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| 22:50.06 | frikinz | valdyn: yes, I can't get it to work. it even starts with /usr/sbin/sshd: [trickle] avg: 0.0 KB/s; win: 0.0 KB/s. Like it's not takng my limits into account |
| 22:50.15 | frikinz | so I'll look at tc maybe |
| 22:50.29 | frikinz | hope there are examples :) |
| 22:50.44 | valdyn | frikinz: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.ratelimit.single.html |
| 22:50.59 | frikinz | valdyn: thanks! |
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| 22:51.24 | valdyn | frikinz: rate limiting low enough that your modem and remote cache are guaranteed to be mostly empty should do the most you can do |
| 22:52.40 | valdyn | frikinz: thats below 90% of nominal dsl capacity for me |
| 22:53.05 | project2501a | hey guys, um, i am trying to find the python library that allows python to connect to postgres. i think it is python-pygresql. the package page is not very clear about this. can i get a clue, plase? |
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| 22:55.41 | valdyn | project2501a: PyGreSQL is a Python module that interfaces to a PostgreSQL database. |
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| 22:56.00 | valdyn | project2501a: i have no idea, but that description seems pretty clear to me |
| 22:56.16 | project2501a | valdyn: *sigh* i will just isntall everything |
| 22:57.47 | project2501a | i take that back |
| 22:58.11 | project2501a | valdyn: usually,i would install everything, but in this special case, i have to be very precise what i install. |
| 22:58.16 | project2501a | extremely precise. |
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| 23:07.49 | joeb_ | what the |
| 23:07.59 | joeb_ | i can move my mouse but can't left click .. there anyway to fix ? |
| 23:08.21 | project2501a | pull the usb mouse out |
| 23:08.21 | Sm0ke0ut | re-attach the mouse? |
| 23:08.26 | project2501a | re-insert it |
| 23:08.28 | joeb_ | is a touchpad |
| 23:09.04 | project2501a | kill the x server |
| 23:09.06 | project2501a | restart |
| 23:09.08 | peterrooney | joeb_: have you switched out of X, then back in to X? do you have gpm installed? |
| 23:09.18 | joeb_ | i was using vnc |
| 23:09.28 | joeb_ | should i kill that ? |
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| 23:11.16 | Posterdati | hi |
| 23:11.25 | project2501a | hi |
| 23:11.32 | Posterdati | is there a way to see key pressed on the keyboard? |
| 23:11.46 | project2501a | Posterdati: ? |
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| 23:11.49 | project2501a | what do you mean/ |
| 23:12.05 | Posterdati | a window with a keyboard layout |
| 23:12.19 | Posterdati | to test the keyboard |
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| 23:20.02 | peterrooney | # dpkg-reconfigure gpm |
| 23:20.03 | peterrooney | This is not dpkg install-info anymore, but GNU install-info |
| 23:20.27 | peterrooney | wonders what went wrong with the dpkg team. |
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| 23:24.12 | frikinz | valdyn: great, got it working with tc! |
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| 23:29.50 | mc_fail | hi to all, does anybody now, can i create mirriored array from disks using mdadm? |
| 23:30.02 | mc_fail | from disks, not from paritions |
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| 23:30.47 | mc_fail | sorry for my ugly english, i forced to using google translate sometime |
| 23:31.45 | nvz | is there such a thing as pretty english? |
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| 23:42.50 | joeb_ | nvz- the only pretty english is if she is a model speaking english |
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| 23:43.18 | joeb_ | whats a good debian guide for troulbeshooting .. ie commands / tips tricks guide ? |
| 23:43.38 | Sm0ke0ut | troubleshoot what? |
| 23:43.43 | joeb_ | anything .. basic stuff |
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| 23:48.15 | peterrooney | joeb_: how much time do you have? |
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| 23:48.52 | joeb_ | peterrooney- lots :D |
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| 23:48.52 | maher | is there some way to run an applet as a normal application? |
| 23:48.57 | peterrooney | joeb_: one handy thing I found was, "cd /sbin ; for i in * ; do man $i ; done" and read ONLY the first paragraph of the man page. |
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| 23:49.30 | peterrooney | joeb_: then do the same for /usr/sbin/ , /bin/ , and /usr/bin/ |
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| 23:50.14 | peterrooney | curses ^W being "exit this channel" instead of "erase word" in Xchat |
| 23:50.38 | maher | in particular i would like to run nm-applet in an environment with no panel |
| 23:50.48 | joeb_ | peterrooney- isn't /bin only files that can be ran ? |
| 23:50.59 | joeb_ | peterrooney- i suck at programming so the for i in thing is new to me |
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| 23:52.05 | joeb_ | oh wow |
| 23:52.08 | joeb_ | it does all the man pages |
| 23:52.20 | joeb_ | i need to write that down |
| 23:52.41 | peterrooney | joeb_: echo $PATH -- should give you a colon-separted list of everywhere your shell looks for programs that can be run. |
| 23:52.50 | joeb_ | ok coo |
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| 23:53.32 | maher | i'd be happy with getting the panel stuck inside gkrellm, or any panel that only show up on one workspace |
| 23:53.33 | peterrooney | joeb_: the important thing isn't to read them in full, but to be aware that such a program exists. |
| 23:53.59 | joeb_ | i see |
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| 23:56.21 | chakal | asdf |
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| 23:57.35 | joeb_ | what the |
| 23:57.41 | joeb_ | debian has ctrlaltdel |
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