| 00:00.50 | rking | pxed: Well, not necessarily in here... i scrolled through ##electronics and I couldn't see that you asked the question. Just in future reference I mean. |
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| 00:03.11 | An0ne | Sorry i can't help you out, i dontk now anything about FAX machines. Perhaps theres someone else in this channel who can |
| 00:04.17 | sacredchao | I am trying to install a new Debian domU with xen-create-image, but I get "System installation failed. Aborting /tmp/NY2ZZciioK/etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub: No such file or directory" |
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| 00:06.23 | erkan^ | hello, http://picasa.google.com is english support only, but I wnat Dutch language, is that possible ? |
| 00:07.24 | Hydroxide | erkan^: ask google, not us. we don't make picasa here. |
| 00:08.07 | erkan^ | where can I ask Google, Hydroxide ? |
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| 00:08.20 | erkan^ | by Google, I mean |
| 00:09.01 | Hydroxide | erkan^: I have no idea. maybe they have a contact web form? #debian can only support what Debian provides, not what Google provides. |
| 00:09.42 | erkan^ | i have seen that someone have maked picasa for .deb by http://picasa.google.com, how can that ... Hydroxide ? |
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| 00:11.16 | Hydroxide | erkan^: that is provided by Google, in the Debian packaging format. Anyone can provide a package for Debian (or other systems like Ubuntu which use the same format) |
| 00:11.42 | erkan^ | ok |
| 00:11.52 | erkan^ | is using ubuntu :s |
| 00:12.02 | erkan^ | someone, here was angry on me, Hydroxide |
| 00:12.11 | erkan^ | because i use ubuntu |
| 00:12.13 | Hydroxide | erkan^: good luck. Debian certainly supports Dutch, and I think Ubuntu does too, but we can't control what Google or Picasa supports |
| 00:12.14 | themill | erkan^: so you should be asking these questions in #ubuntu anyway |
| 00:12.15 | Technicus | Hello . . . how can I change the cash on the bash history log? |
| 00:12.16 | erkan^ | and i was asked here |
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| 00:12.21 | erkan^ | eys |
| 00:12.24 | erkan^ | yes |
| 00:12.54 | Hydroxide | erkan^: well, right, we also can't support Ubuntu here, since Ubuntu changes various things and is not the same as Debian. but they probably would also redirect you to Google for this issue |
| 00:13.32 | erkan^ | ok |
| 00:14.11 | Hydroxide | if you have other Ubuntu questions, #ubuntu will be happy to help. good luck, again. |
| 00:14.29 | erkan^ | yes i am still there (-: thank you Hydroxide |
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| 00:15.02 | theuser | hello |
| 00:15.22 | theuser | how can i check what ports are blocked from accessing ? |
| 00:15.54 | theuser | as in what ports i cant connect to |
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| 00:16.26 | abrotman | theuser: netstat -plunt |
| 00:16.56 | Hydroxide | hah, funny set of options :) |
| 00:17.46 | abrotman | it was a better answer than "you should know what daemons you have installed" :) |
| 00:17.54 | Hydroxide | true :) |
| 00:18.08 | Hydroxide | I was going to suggest iptables -L, but maybe your answer is what he wanted |
| 00:18.29 | theuser | hmm |
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| 00:18.32 | theuser | not on my pc |
| 00:19.01 | theuser | what I cant access |
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| 00:19.44 | theuser | like for example i cant access most ircds because they run on port 6667 |
| 00:20.01 | abrotman | uhm .. which linux are you using? |
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| 00:20.28 | theuser | abrotman : lets assume im using Debian linux :D |
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| 00:21.22 | abrotman | let's not .. try again |
| 00:21.24 | themill | let's not make assumptions |
| 00:21.45 | theuser | lol |
| 00:21.49 | theuser | arch linux |
| 00:21.53 | abrotman | then go ask them .. |
| 00:22.04 | dvs | suggests "Debian 7" |
| 00:22.30 | themill | theuser: #archlinux are there and waiting... |
| 00:22.34 | theuser | lol |
| 00:22.40 | theuser | i cant send to channel |
| 00:22.50 | abrotman | not our problem, ask #freenode why you can't send there |
| 00:23.07 | capitan__ | in update-rc.d, wtf is the "." for? |
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| 00:23.20 | themill | theuser: /msg nickserv help register |
| 00:23.20 | theuser | abrotman : just say you dont know :P |
| 00:23.49 | KimK | Hi, how can I find out the current status in Debian (maybe 5.0 and 6.0?) of the package(s) libncurses5 ? I |
| 00:23.55 | KimK | Oops |
| 00:23.56 | abrotman | theuser: then perhaps try ##linux .. it's not a #debian problem |
| 00:24.38 | KimK | Hi, how can I find out the current status in Debian (maybe 5.0 and 6.0?) of the package(s) libncurses5 ? I'd like to find out how recently the packages have been built in those distributions. |
| 00:24.39 | abrotman | capitan__: you mean, why is it named like that? |
| 00:24.50 | abrotman | KimK: packages.debian.org/libncurses5 ? |
| 00:25.05 | capitan__ | no... i mean, the man page says there's a period in the syntax, but it doesn't say what it's for and why |
| 00:25.12 | KimK | abrotman: Excellent, thank you! |
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| 00:26.02 | xreal | Can I tell GRUB-legacy to boot from CD-ROM? |
| 00:26.34 | Hydroxide | xreal: yeah, you can refer to the CD-ROM device as (cd) usually in your config, if i'm remembering right. |
| 00:26.45 | Tiffy | capitan: becuz the underlying unix folder where daemon start scripts were was called rc.d |
| 00:26.47 | Hydroxide | xreal: it's been a while since I used grub-legacy :) |
| 00:27.04 | capitan__ | Tiffy, no... i don't mean rc.d |
| 00:27.19 | capitan__ | i mean "update-rc.d asterisk stop 01 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 ." |
| 00:27.19 | capitan__ | the "." at the end |
| 00:27.19 | xreal | Hydroxide: Nice thanks for the hint. I've got big problems using grub2. It only boots from the 1 HDD of my RAID-1 (not from the others). |
| 00:27.38 | xreal | Ah nice!http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grub/2004-07/msg00004.html |
| 00:27.44 | capitan__ | and... doesn't seem to work as expected :(. It made start scripts! |
| 00:28.10 | Hydroxide | xreal: if you want to debug grub2 further, feel free to ask for help in #grub; they do support that, though no longer grub-legacy |
| 00:28.46 | xreal | Hydroxide: Okay, I'll do soon, since I want to upgrade to Squeeze from Lenny. |
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| 00:28.51 | Hydroxide | or use mailing lists, etc |
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| 00:29.05 | capitan__ | arg... wtf? |
| 00:29.27 | Hydroxide | xreal: cool. squeeze defaults to grub2, and tries to assist you with the switch in an upgrade, but does still include grub-legacy. I doubt the following release will, though. |
| 00:29.32 | capitan__ | ls rc*.d/*asterisk* |
| 00:29.32 | capitan__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.52 | xreal | Hydroxide: Okay, perhaps I've just done somthing wrong :-) |
| 00:29.57 | capitan__ | i think i'm about to go fsck'ing with the symlinks manually |
| 00:30.09 | Hydroxide | xreal: for any upgrade, whether of Debian or another OS, read the release notes and follow the upgrade instructions to minimize problems: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes |
| 00:30.17 | xreal | k |
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| 00:30.55 | Hydroxide | xreal: do that and it should go smoothly. in your specific case, pay close attention to the bit about grub :) |
| 00:31.00 | themill | capitan__: update-rc.d is not intended to be an end-user tool in any case. moving symlinks or using something like rcconf is intended. |
| 00:31.05 | Hydroxide | and other booting stuff |
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| 00:31.28 | capitan__ | themill, rcconf huh? |
| 00:31.37 | capitan__ | No manual entry for rcconf |
| 00:31.42 | Tiffy | capitan: oh, sry. the dot is there likely acting as a delimiter, since you can specify multiple runlevels on the same line. weird, sure. |
| 00:31.43 | themill | !rcconf |
| 00:31.43 | dpkg | rcconf is a simple curses-based text user interface (TUI) frontend to <update-rc.d>, used to adjust the default <runlevel> configuration. See also <sysv-rc-conf>, <sysv-rc>. |
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| 00:32.09 | capitan__ | lol... curses based separate package just to move some symlinks around? |
| 00:32.27 | themill | capitan__: your the one who wants a tool that's nice than mv |
| 00:32.28 | capitan__ | themill, thx for the pointer... seems a bit heavy... but if it works, it works :) |
| 00:33.13 | capitan__ | themill, no, i'm happy mv'ing, but it's one of those things you read "don't do it manually" somewhere, and they don't say why |
| 00:33.41 | Hydroxide | capitan__: you can also use chkconfig (I think some debian package offers that CLI interface) or other tools. |
| 00:33.54 | themill | capitan__: you may need to tell insserv that you've moved things around after doing so. |
| 00:33.55 | capitan__ | rcconf is slick |
| 00:34.16 | capitan__ | insserv: i moved things around |
| 00:34.21 | capitan__ | !insserv |
| 00:34.21 | dpkg | insserv is a dependency-based <init> system that is compatible with <sysvinit> and is the default from squeeze onwards. To use insserv, your init scripts need to have tags at the top of them that describe what they depend on, to permit the correct ordering of the init scripts; ask me about <missing lsb tags>. |
| 00:34.27 | capitan__ | ahhh... that guy |
| 00:34.41 | capitan__ | i was hoping i wouldn't have to learn anything about that |
| 00:36.54 | capitan__ | anyhow, thanks for the help... i now have two one-liners to give me "rc0.d/K01asterisk rc1.d/K01asterisk rc2.d/K01asterisk rc3.d/K01asterisk rc4.d/K01asterisk rc5.d/K01asterisk rc6.d/K01asterisk" :) |
| 00:37.31 | capitan__ | didn't try the chkconfig one yet, cause rcconf did it |
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| 01:07.16 | RocketLauncher | I want to use gnome-appearance-properties but i do sudo apt-get install gnome-appearance-properties and that's not the name.. and i tried searching for it |
| 01:07.26 | RocketLauncher | I just want to change my metacity theme in xfce4 |
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| 01:10.38 | abrotman | judd: file gnome-appearance-properties --release squeeze |
| 01:10.43 | judd | gnome-appearance-properties in squeeze/i386: gnome-control-center: usr/bin/gnome-appearance-properties |
| 01:10.50 | abrotman | !tell RocketLauncher about apt-file |
| 01:11.04 | Cubbur | anyone heard of debian running on htc desire hd |
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| 01:11.29 | dvs | that's crazy talk! |
| 01:11.52 | Cubbur | i've read about it |
| 01:12.02 | Cubbur | but havent found a way to do it |
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| 01:12.21 | dvs | Put installer on a microSD card? |
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| 01:12.54 | Cubbur | you would have to flash a image through bootloader (h-boot) |
| 01:13.04 | tonytraductor | I'm not sure where to go for answers to a question, so, since this is pretty well /home, I figured I'd start here. |
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| 01:15.12 | tonytraductor | I "upgraded" my webhosting to 4GH hosting at godaddy, and, since then, when using ftp from the command line, the server doesn't respond, ftp just hangs (although oddly, it seems I did manage to mput a file earlier, even though I killed ftp for hanging). the server is centos, the ftpd is pureftpd (same I use on my home server). GFTP seems to have no trouble, but ftp from bash does |
| 01:15.39 | tonytraductor | so...do I ask gftp what they're doing different than bash? do I go pester the folks at pureftp? I don't imagine it's a bash issue |
| 01:15.39 | abrotman | Cubbur: you can run debian sidebyside with android |
| 01:15.50 | tonytraductor | also, I wrote an ftp client in tcl/tk, and that hangs, just like bash |
| 01:16.01 | tolle | tonytraductor: active vs passive issue? |
| 01:16.07 | tonytraductor | I assume gftp is doing something that ftp from bash and my tcl client aren't |
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| 01:16.40 | tonytraductor | would gftp be automatically detecting the active/passive parameter and acting accordingly? (while bash and my tcl client are not)? |
| 01:16.41 | abrotman | Cubbur: please don't msg me .. and no |
| 01:17.21 | Cubbur | k, sorry |
| 01:17.30 | tonytraductor | and, how might I test that from the command line? |
| 01:17.42 | tonytraductor | oh, wait...googling |
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| 01:17.56 | RocketLauncher | I asked here about changing my metacity theme but i disconnected, did anyone say anything |
| 01:18.13 | RocketLauncher | <RocketLauncher> I want to use gnome-appearance-properties but i do sudo apt-get install gnome-appearance-properties and that's not the name.. and i tried searching for it. i just want to change my metacity theme in xfce4 |
| 01:18.49 | abrotman | RocketLauncher: use apt-file to find out which package has tha tbinary |
| 01:19.37 | RocketLauncher | command not found |
| 01:19.50 | abrotman | install it |
| 01:19.59 | peterrooney | !search |
| 01:19.59 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <debtags>. |
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| 01:24.23 | tonytraductor | it looks like I'm actually getting in, but the server is just respondingly painfully slow when I use tcl or bash. It responds faster when I use gftp. |
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| 01:25.04 | tonytraductor | but, when I do ftp -d from the command line, it's giving me "permission denied" messages, which is weird, because it IS mputting files, and stuff...just taking forever. |
| 01:25.29 | tonytraductor | but it won't do ls for me...permission denied. I can ssh to the server and ls, but, again, very, very slow |
| 01:25.46 | tonytraductor | weird...this was supposed to be an upgrade, but everything is 100 times slower. |
| 01:25.58 | tonytraductor | I'm going to complain with godaddy, I suppose. |
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| 01:26.21 | eranm | Hi! I recently upgraded my debian installation to the latest stable, 6.0. Since the upgrade and the move to dependency-based init my external USB drives are no longer auto-mounted (even though udev creates the appropriate /dev entries and symlinks). Any idea on how I can start debugging it? |
| 01:26.39 | eranm | Or rather, resume debugging it. |
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| 01:29.21 | tolle | eranm: is hal running? |
| 01:29.48 | eranm | tolle: yes |
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| 01:30.28 | sacredchao | Where do I configure what block device file Debian uses for swap? |
| 01:30.52 | eranm | Do I understand correctly that HAL only reports, via dbus, on hardware changes? |
| 01:31.07 | eranm | sacredchao: /etc/fstab |
| 01:31.14 | sacredchao | Oh right duh |
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| 01:33.14 | tolle | eranm: Are you running a full DE? |
| 01:33.29 | eranm | DE stands for? |
| 01:34.15 | sacredchao | Disk Encryption |
| 01:34.22 | sacredchao | ? |
| 01:34.25 | sacredchao | nono |
| 01:34.29 | sacredchao | Desktop Environment |
| 01:34.31 | sacredchao | that's it |
| 01:34.46 | eranm | I'm definitely not encrypting any of my disks (although I should, I guess) |
| 01:35.02 | tolle | Desktop environment. |
| 01:35.35 | eranm | It's a headless system, used as a server. So the answer would be no (I have X and a minimal WM on it) |
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| 01:36.14 | tolle | Ah, ok. |
| 01:36.30 | tolle | Well not really sure about automounting since I dont use it, so I doubt I'm of any use. |
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| 01:37.33 | tonytraductor | hmmm...pftp works fast. What's the difference between ftp and pftp? |
| 01:37.38 | tonytraductor | oh..wait...okay...googling |
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| 01:38.35 | sacredchao | eranm: I am setting up a new server I just built and am setting up disk crypto on it right now ^_^ |
| 01:39.25 | eranm | sacredchao: That's something I should enable on all of my external disks |
| 01:39.35 | eranm | once I get them to auto-mount properly :/ |
| 01:39.44 | lassiethebrave | eranm: I'm guessing you have something in fstab you could show us? Mounting works as it should, just not automagically? |
| 01:39.59 | sacredchao | eranm: Encrypting them will wipe the drives, so be sure to backup first. |
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| 01:40.35 | sacredchao | eranm: other than that, I recommend using cryptsetup program which uses dm-crypt, with the cipher mode serpent-xts-essiv:sha256 |
| 01:41.12 | lassiethebrave | eranm: Have you tried using the vol_id (though there I can see no reason for the old names to fail if they haven't changed...)? |
| 01:41.43 | eranm | lassiethebrave: in /etc/fstab, I assume? nope |
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| 01:42.53 | El_Caballero_ | sacredchao: lol. You are on severals ircs at the same time :-o |
| 01:43.21 | eranm | Bar is closing, be back later. |
| 01:44.09 | dvs | o_O |
| 01:44.21 | tonytraductor | since the man page for ftp and pftp are the same man page, and don't explain the difference, and googling isn't proving productive, can someone tell me what the difference is between the two? |
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| 01:45.39 | sacredchao | El_Caballero_: I run multiple operating systems at the same time =P |
| 01:45.43 | sacredchao | loves Xen |
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| 01:53.06 | robert00 | does anybody know how to tell what package deb-src is from, it's not installed on my system |
| 01:54.05 | abrotman | !tell robert00 about apt-file |
| 01:54.27 | robert00 | abrotman, thanks |
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| 01:55.45 | robert00 | i need deb-src to get the source |
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| 01:56.34 | tolle | robert00: wait you just want the source to a certain package? |
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| 01:57.36 | lassiethebrave | robert00: You don't have any deb-src entries in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 01:57.38 | robert00 | tolle, yes |
| 01:58.05 | robert00 | lassiethebrave, i added a src repo in /etc/src/soures.list |
| 01:58.13 | tolle | apt-get source donkeykong for the source to donkeykong |
| 01:58.16 | tolle | for example |
| 01:58.38 | robert00 | the instructions required deb-src, which is a binary i'm pretty sure |
| 01:58.51 | abrotman | required why? |
| 01:58.59 | abrotman | URL ? |
| 02:01.01 | magyar | hi, is there a way to retrieve my saved passwords in iceweasel? |
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| 02:02.08 | tolle | magyar: yeah, in preferences under security, click on saved passwords. |
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| 02:02.34 | wobblyonions | guys, is it possible to increase the size of the swap partition on a live system without taking it down? |
| 02:02.41 | magyar | tolle: it's blank, as i'm using a new profile |
| 02:02.48 | abrotman | wobblyonions: mkswap |
| 02:03.08 | tolle | magyar: got the old profile left somewhere? |
| 02:03.22 | magyar | tolle: yes i do |
| 02:04.05 | magyar | tolle: i tried copying the signons3.txt and key.db file to new profile but I still get a blank list |
| 02:04.42 | tolle | just use the whole .mozilla folder form your previous setup? |
| 02:04.44 | wobblyonions | thanks abrotman will take a look at that |
| 02:04.56 | wobblyonions | may try it on another sytem first though I think |
| 02:05.27 | magyar | tolle: it's corrupted, iceweasel just crashing |
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| 02:07.48 | abrotman | did you try safe mode? |
| 02:09.14 | magyar | abrotman: it starts in safemode, is there a way to export the saved passwords? |
| 02:09.43 | JasonWoof | anybody have any tips on making my netbook's camera available over the network (ssh, vpn, whatever) as a webcam on my desktop? both computers are running debian unstable. |
| 02:09.56 | JasonWoof | I'm just getting nowhere with google. everything is about how to get your webcam to work |
| 02:10.30 | JasonWoof | I'd like it to show up as a camera in gstreamer or whatever pidgin and empathy use |
| 02:10.36 | abrotman | magyar: it's a sqlite database ... |
| 02:10.37 | tolle | vlc to stream the stuff or something? |
| 02:10.57 | abrotman | JasonWoof: did you ask #pidgin if there is a FAQ ? |
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| 02:11.45 | JasonWoof | abrotman: I don't think pidgin docs will have info on turning my netbook into an ip-camera |
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| 02:12.02 | abrotman | oh .. misread |
| 02:12.12 | abrotman | JasonWoof: can't just use cheese ? |
| 02:12.38 | JasonWoof | abrotman: I thought cheese was just for taking crappy pictures of your own head |
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| 02:12.52 | abrotman | you just want to view it? |
| 02:12.56 | tolle | Stuff like that always makes me wish plan9 would have been more then... well nothing. |
| 02:13.06 | JasonWoof | no, I want to be able to use the camera from another computer |
| 02:13.13 | karlpinc | I've always wondered about something similar to JasonWoof's question. Is is possible to export a device special file to another box? I've a thin-client setup and would like to be able to access the dvd directly on the thin client directly from the box running the apps. (I can't say I care a whole lot as it's been years and I've not done anything, but...) |
| 02:13.31 | tolle | karlpinc: in plan9 it is |
| 02:13.35 | karlpinc | tolle: Sucky license. |
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| 02:13.48 | tolle | Some cool theories and stuff. |
| 02:13.53 | crn | were is mozilla-mplayer? my sources.list doesn't seem to provide it after upgrading to squeeze. |
| 02:13.56 | tolle | Not really all that awesome in the end. |
| 02:13.56 | smacnay | JasonWoof, check out webcam - although I know there was another app that would pipe out cam images to ip addresses. |
| 02:13.57 | karlpinc | tolle: Right. |
| 02:13.58 | crn | where |
| 02:14.05 | abrotman | JasonWoof: IIRC, i thought vlc could act as a server? |
| 02:14.12 | tolle | abrotman: It can |
| 02:14.18 | JasonWoof | karlpinc: that would be one way: if I could somehow map the device file. |
| 02:14.33 | JasonWoof | abrotman: I'll look into that |
| 02:14.56 | smacnay | JasonWoof, I think that ffplay can act as a server too... let me see |
| 02:15.00 | karlpinc | JasonWoof: I suspect that mapping the device file is not feasible, but that's a guess. |
| 02:15.12 | magyar | abrotman: i tried copying the signons.sqllite , but that doesn't help |
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| 02:15.52 | abrotman | magyar: perhaps it's corrupted? i don't store passwords .. it was just a suggestion |
| 02:15.56 | karlpinc | tolle: (Right about cool ideas. I don't know how it panned out, but I'm not suprised that people are reluctant to donate code to AT&T. |
| 02:16.11 | smacnay | JasonWoof, I know that mplayer can play what a web cam shows and there might be a way to pipe that to some ip address. |
| 02:16.15 | smacnay | Good luck. |
| 02:16.22 | JasonWoof | smacnay: ok, the "webcam" packages uploads image files. That's neat. Sounds a little slow, but might work if I could make that series of images somehow show up as a camera on the desktop. Seems like some sort of media streaming might work out better though |
| 02:16.47 | tolle | karlpinc: they require copyright assignment or? Not sure about the license on it tbh |
| 02:17.01 | smacnay | JasonWoof, look at ffplay from the ffmpeg package. It should pipe a stream out and might be able to capture the webcam for that stream |
| 02:17.10 | karlpinc | tolle: I think they own it. I don't recall the details. (But we're offtopic.) |
| 02:17.14 | tonytraductor | would not mplayer have to be playing on the remote client? |
| 02:17.15 | JasonWoof | karlpinc: yeah, sounds tough, but you never know. Openvpn basically does that level of thing with ethernet devices |
| 02:17.23 | tolle | karlpinc: Its concidered floss by osi and fsf, and passes dfsg. but its not gpl compatible |
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| 02:17.27 | tonytraductor | nevermine, I shouldn't read two lines of a conversation and butt in, really |
| 02:17.31 | JasonWoof | smacnay: cool, I'll play with that before vlc |
| 02:17.31 | tolle | karlpinc: way offtopic. |
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| 02:17.56 | karlpinc | JasonWoof: I think the thin client people at ltsp would know. They do this sort of stuff all the time. |
| 02:17.57 | smacnay | JasonWoof, it would (ffplay) be a little less on the overhead I am guessing and ffplay is meant to pipe out a stream |
| 02:18.38 | karlpinc | JasonWoof: There's always socat. If you can pipe to anything you can pipe it over the network with socat. |
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| 02:19.56 | JasonWoof | karlpinc, smacnay: ok, now the streaming over the network part is seeming quite doable. but then the tricky bit is getting it to show up as a camera, something I can get pidgin and/or empathy to recognize |
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| 02:20.47 | JasonWoof | preferably pidgin. which currently gives me the options: 1) test input 2) default 3) v4l 4) v4l2 |
| 02:21.00 | JasonWoof | maybe I can google that question better |
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| 02:21.37 | karlpinc | JasonWoof: I'd see how the ltsp project does it. YMMV. |
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| 02:24.41 | JasonWoof | karlpinc: "If the thin client has local device support enabled, the ltspfsd program is started to allow the server to read from devices such as memory sticks or CD-Roms attached to the thin client." |
| 02:24.55 | magyar | abrotman: flashblock seems to crash iceweasel on 64bit platform |
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| 02:25.28 | abrotman | i asked you if oyu used safe mode ... |
| 02:26.09 | z330 | whats a good VPS host that lets you pay with paypal guys? |
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| 02:26.54 | karlpinc | JasonWoof: Jolly good. There's a ltspfsd package (in lenny). |
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| 02:27.37 | abrotman | z330: ask google, this channel is for Debian support |
| 02:28.22 | karlpinc | JasonWoof: Although it seems to be just support for filesystems. :-( |
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| 02:29.57 | emacsenli | excuse me what's the name of statistic software R |
| 02:30.32 | rames | silly screen question... how to scroll back through the output buffer of a process after i've reconnected? |
| 02:31.26 | karlpinc | emacsenli: The core package, i think, is r-base. |
| 02:31.39 | karlpinc | emacsenli: (The name of the software is R, of course.) |
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| 02:32.22 | karlpinc | emacsenli: (Install debtags and then: aptitude search '~Gstatistics' |
| 02:33.07 | abrotman | rames: sometihng like ctrl-a esc .. go into copy buffer mode or whatever itis |
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| 02:33.35 | rames | abrotman: thanks ... i'll try that. i suck at screen so don't know what to look for in "c-a ?" |
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| 02:34.22 | rames | abrotman: sweet, that worked... thanks |
| 02:34.59 | emacsenli | thanks karlpinc |
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| 02:35.16 | M4X | Is it normal for me to need to have my CD in the drive when installing packages? |
| 02:35.36 | rames | m4x: deb-src in /etc/apt/sources.list probably lists "CD" entries |
| 02:35.52 | un214 | I usually comment out after initial setup is done |
| 02:36.08 | M4X | oh jeez.... just take that out? |
| 02:36.18 | simonrvn | comment/remove them |
| 02:36.23 | rames | m4x: i sually comment it out ... deleting makes me nervous |
| 02:36.27 | karlpinc | M4X: Not really. You must not have used a netinstall to install. You want to adjust /etc/apt/sources.list to get stuff from the net. (And yes, take out the cd line.) |
| 02:36.52 | p_res | It's normal unless you comment them out, as said already. |
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| 02:36.53 | un214 | I don't remove it altogether in case I need to place the original cd back in to install connectivity |
| 02:36.59 | un214 | juust in case |
| 02:37.16 | M4X | how do i comment it out? |
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| 02:37.34 | simonrvn | editor /etc/apt/sources.list then stick a # in front |
| 02:37.42 | karlpinc | M4X: man sources.list has examples. |
| 02:38.07 | M4X | thanks gentlemen |
| 02:38.09 | karlpinc | !tell M4X about overview |
| 02:38.22 | karlpinc | M4X: ^^ since you seem to be new to debian. |
| 02:39.00 | M4X | take a look know thanks karlpinc . |
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| 02:40.31 | becker_11 | hi What software would you recommend for recording a shrot maybe 30secs long screencast |
| 02:41.02 | abrotman | istanbul? recordmydesktop ? |
| 02:41.37 | becker_11 | recordmydesktop thanks I take a lool |
| 02:46.15 | nvz | I've been using gtk-recordmydesktop lately but can't seem to do anything with the output files other than watch em.. nothing in debian can edit or transcode em |
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| 02:49.26 | rgr | Whats the recommended/easiest way to get my netbook to suspend to ram after a certain time period? (eg watching a movie while falling asleep) |
| 02:50.10 | un214 | sleep xyz ; pm-suspend ? |
| 02:50.18 | nvz | rgr: wouldn't simply going to sleep be effective as well? |
| 02:50.29 | engla | rgr: can't gnome-power-manager configure that easily? |
| 02:50.39 | un214 | not for some people |
| 02:50.41 | rgr | I want to script it if possible |
| 02:50.45 | nvz | engla: thats what I was just thinking but it only manages sleep, not suspend |
| 02:51.10 | nvz | rgr: well that would be something along the lines of what un214 just said |
| 02:51.19 | engla | nvz: sleep=hibernate? it only manages suspend for me |
| 02:51.29 | un214 | sleep = timer |
| 02:51.33 | rgr | pm-suspend requires sudo |
| 02:51.45 | engla | un214: different contexts |
| 02:51.46 | un214 | then run the whole thing with sh -c |
| 02:51.47 | abrotman | you cna run the sleep command as root ? |
| 02:51.47 | rgr | or does it. let me check |
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| 02:52.25 | nvz | engla: sleep as I am referring to leaves the system in a low power state with everything still in ram.. it drains the batter life about 5min every hour on average |
| 02:52.27 | rgr | I guess I could add it to the sudoers as a special |
| 02:52.39 | rgr | thats suspend. |
| 02:52.45 | engla | nvz: ok, suspend-to-ram |
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| 02:52.51 | Tohuw | Can someone help me understand the format to be used for edquota and especially for quotauser in adduser.conf? |
| 02:52.53 | un214 | oh that's right I always have a root shell open |
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| 02:53.26 | un214 | and right now some of you are horrified about security |
| 02:54.00 | simonrvn | !!!!!!! |
| 02:54.01 | dpkg | i guess !!!!! is "And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head." -- Terry Pratchett, Maskerade |
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| 02:54.36 | nvz | Tohuw: as described by section 5 of the linux manual pages, quotauser copies the quota info from the specified "quotauser" |
| 02:54.50 | Tohuw | un214: that depends on how public whatever you're rooted into is. |
| 02:54.53 | nvz | Tohuw: man 5 adduser.conf |
| 02:54.59 | un214 | Tohuw: exactly |
| 02:55.30 | un214 | Tohuw: it's my workstation and you've got to get through my front door first |
| 02:55.49 | un214 | X exploits don't access console sessions |
| 02:55.53 | simonrvn | knocks on un214's front door, then sneaks around back |
| 02:56.21 | un214 | laughs at simonrvn trying to open the garage door that cannot be opened from outside |
| 02:56.34 | engla | except with chainsaw |
| 02:56.40 | Tohuw | nvz: So setting it in adduser.conf would entail putting a username in there as the quota template for future users? |
| 02:56.45 | simonrvn | "damn!" *pulls out sledgehammer* |
| 02:56.51 | nvz | Tohuw: it would appear so |
| 02:56.59 | un214 | pulls out rifle |
| 02:57.07 | simonrvn | stops |
| 02:57.22 | nvz | Tohuw: for the most part thats how everything adduser does works, it uses templates |
| 02:57.27 | un214 | good |
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| 02:58.17 | rgr | ah yes, add pm-suspend to my NOPASSWD list for my user in sudoers and pm-suspend works a treat via sudo with no prompt now. great. |
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| 03:04.20 | rgr | hmm, but of course pm-suspend doesnt interacts with the gnome-scrensaver so resume opens up the pc without a password lock. so need to add gnome.screensaver-command --lock. |
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| 03:04.54 | nvz | rgr: you just did it too quickly |
| 03:05.07 | rgr | sorry? |
| 03:05.13 | nvz | rgr: mine is locked when it resumes... but I generally dont resume that quickly after suspending |
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| 03:05.27 | rgr | and you suspend to ram using pm-suspend? |
| 03:05.54 | nvz | ah right.. I normally goto System > Shutdown and hit hibernate |
| 03:05.59 | nvz | probably different |
| 03:06.06 | rgr | I have no screensaver but I do have lock when screensaver activated as thats how you get the thing to lock on resume. |
| 03:06.15 | rgr | totally different - not even related. |
| 03:06.25 | nvz | yeah I didn't think about that |
| 03:06.36 | jhutchins_lt | Oh, dear, I've just interrupted a flash video. Crash pending... |
| 03:06.45 | nvz | haha |
| 03:06.55 | jhutchins_lt | BOOM~!] |
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| 03:07.05 | rgr | flash works fine here in chromium-browser |
| 03:07.30 | nvz | a friend of mine has been having weird issues with flash among other things |
| 03:07.40 | rgr | in what context? |
| 03:07.44 | nvz | but I can't really rule out hardware considering the state of his machine |
| 03:07.51 | un214 | ask him if he wants a 1500w flash? |
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| 03:08.25 | rgr | why would you think its HW if nothing else crashes? |
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| 03:08.59 | MattAdams | I have configured sendmail with smtp auth as per the directions given by sendmailconfig but AUTH does not appear after EHLO. Any suggestions on what to check? |
| 03:09.02 | nvz | well his OpenGL works fine (tested with SuperTux and Sauerbraten) his Flash works fine (tested with facebook games and such..) but does NOT work with SecondLife, Tux Racer, or Hulu |
| 03:09.16 | nvz | his hardware is all screwed up.. the machine cannot boot without a PXE jumpstart |
| 03:09.26 | nvz | but seems to work mostly fine after its booted |
| 03:09.50 | rgr | so his flash works fine? |
| 03:09.58 | karlpinc | !tell MattAdams about readme.debian |
| 03:09.59 | nvz | unless you try Hulu.com |
| 03:10.01 | tolle | flash never works fine. |
| 03:10.04 | nvz | haha |
| 03:10.19 | karlpinc | MattAdams: I've no clue if there's anything relevant in there but.... Otherwise, check the logs. (Ugh. Sendmail.) |
| 03:10.47 | rgr | it didnt used to for me, but deb squeeze, chromium browser and 3 different video cards on a dev machine, a netbook and a thinkpad all work fine now. |
| 03:10.56 | MattAdams | karlpinc: Yeah, I've looked at the docs but it's a no-go. Everything *appears* to be set up correctly but clearly it's not. |
| 03:11.14 | rgr | did you consider using exim4? |
| 03:11.26 | karlpinc | MattAdams: or postfix. |
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| 03:12.15 | MattAdams | I'm far more familiar with sendmail then I am with either of those. |
| 03:12.37 | MattAdams | Thanks tho. |
| 03:12.41 | rgr | both a re compatible and a 1000 times easier and more powerful and safer. Certainly I found exim4 config a breeze. |
| 03:12.59 | MattAdams | If I give up I might give one of them a try. |
| 03:12.59 | rgr | + of course getting a local mail server to boot |
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| 03:21.31 | Ogmios | After a long hiatus I am considering setting up an amd64 install of Debian as base for a multi-os system with KVM. Based on some docs that appear to be two years old there still seems to be some applications that are 32-bit only (flash, etc). I saw one guide that recommends installing a 32-bit system with debootstrap and symlink the systems together. Is that still best practice? Last time I touched amd64 was with Gentoo almost 8 years |
| 03:22.56 | dvs | Ogmios: amd64 is pretty stable now. |
| 03:23.14 | un214 | last time I tied together with bind mounts |
| 03:23.40 | un214 | we're not like windows we can use up to 64gb ram as 32 bit system |
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| 03:24.33 | tolle | Ogmios: 32bit apps in a 64bit install isnt a issue nowdays. |
| 03:24.48 | Ogmios | ok, thanks all. good to hear. |
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| 03:31.32 | MattAdams | Ha, no problems at all in Squeeze. Must have been a Lenny issue. |
| 03:31.33 | MattAdams | Gah. |
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| 03:31.48 | dvs | that's a switch |
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| 03:47.05 | MattAdams | Yeah. It's not a configuration issue. It looks like Sendmail's SMTP auth is broken in Lenny. |
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| 04:10.05 | dlyneshome | I've upgraded to squeeze now, but for whatever reason startecks (ecks key doesn't work) says it can't find a screen |
| 04:10.45 | dlyneshome | Has anyone else ecksperienced this problem? |
| 04:11.38 | tolle | ah, x |
| 04:12.05 | dlyneshome | fwiw, the ecksorg.conf file looks normal |
| 04:12.35 | tolle | I might have had it. |
| 04:12.41 | tolle | Cant remember. |
| 04:12.55 | tolle | I think I hammered it for ages or something. |
| 04:12.56 | dlyneshome | I've had other problems with the upgrade and ecks starting up, but the other problems are already fied |
| 04:13.05 | tolle | But that keyboard has always been strange. |
| 04:13.08 | dlyneshome | ficksed, even |
| 04:13.18 | dlyneshome | no...this is a shitty windows machine with a bad keyboard |
| 04:13.26 | dlyneshome | nothing to do with debian :) |
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| 04:13.56 | cire | I have uninstalled a package (apt-get remove) and now want to purge all its configuration files. dpkg --purge won't work (... xy is not installed). How do you do that? |
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| 04:14.03 | dlyneshome | it's just an old beast i've got kicking around for logging into plc's |
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| 04:14.47 | dlyneshome | cire, rm -rf /etc/daemonname.d/ doesn't work, either? |
| 04:16.14 | cire | dlyneshome: this would work, but I do not know if this just will delete everything dpkg --purge would have. |
| 04:16.40 | cire | dlyneshome: e.g. cron jobs etc |
| 04:16.48 | cire | I could search for myself |
| 04:16.52 | dlyneshome | cire, well, you sound like you're in a position where you don't have a choice |
| 04:16.53 | cire | for those files |
| 04:16.59 | cire | but hoped for a better solution |
| 04:17.18 | cire | I also might inspect the package's deb to get a glance at the conf files |
| 04:17.40 | cire | I could reinstall it ;) |
| 04:17.44 | cire | and purging afterwards ;) |
| 04:18.02 | dlyneshome | tolle, did your solution have anything to do with a tool called 'sm*ecks*i'? |
| 04:18.08 | cire | thanks anyways |
| 04:18.47 | dlyneshome | cire, no problem...I've never used purge before, but isn't it a command that you pass to apt-get, instead of remove? |
| 04:19.06 | cire | yes it is |
| 04:19.12 | dlyneshome | cire, i.e. it would do a remove and config clean all in one swoop |
| 04:19.22 | cire | I forgot it and now wanted to do it afterwards |
| 04:19.30 | dlyneshome | cire, so why would you eckspect it to work after an apt-get remove? |
| 04:19.35 | dlyneshome | ic |
| 04:19.47 | cire | I just wanted to have the "config clean"-part |
| 04:20.09 | dlyneshome | Have you tried Ctrl-Z? |
| 04:20.11 | dlyneshome | ducks. |
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| 04:22.35 | prince_jammys | cire: does apt-get (or aptitude) purge not work? |
| 04:22.58 | prince_jammys | you can ''aptitude purge'' a removed package |
| 04:22.59 | MattAdams | Oi. |
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| 04:23.39 | cire | prince_jammys: apt-get purge works well, I just forgot to use it instead of apt-get remove |
| 04:23.49 | prince_jammys | use it now |
| 04:23.50 | cire | I will try aptitude purge now |
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| 04:24.21 | Krunk | Hi. I'm thinking of switching to Debian from Mandriva. Where would I find the repositories? |
| 04:24.30 | cire | apt-get purge says won't be removed because it is not installed |
| 04:24.47 | prince_jammys | ah, try aptitude. |
| 04:25.23 | cire | prince_jammys: aptitude is not installed, and has lots of dependencies. I will do it by hand for now |
| 04:25.39 | prince_jammys | not installed? what OS? |
| 04:25.49 | prince_jammys | or distro/release |
| 04:26.01 | prince_jammys | does it start with a u ? |
| 04:26.23 | cire | it is a (virtual) root server, with a debian squeeze pre-installed image |
| 04:26.30 | prince_jammys | ah |
| 04:26.43 | cire | The image did not contain aptitude |
| 04:26.59 | prince_jammys | got it. there's always reinstalling and purging |
| 04:27.22 | cire | yeah, I also had that idea ;) |
| 04:27.29 | cire | sounds like a silly one for me, but it may work |
| 04:27.54 | cire | thank you |
| 04:28.09 | prince_jammys | there may very well be a smarter way i'm not aware of. I've been using aptitude for a long time. |
| 04:28.45 | cire | There were rumors that one should use aptitude instead of apt now, but some told me this, some told me that, so I stayed with apt |
| 04:28.47 | cire | apt-get |
| 04:28.59 | dlyneshome | really? |
| 04:29.07 | dlyneshome | what's the valid reason for using aptitude, instead? |
| 04:29.16 | cire | I just don't know |
| 04:29.36 | dlyneshome | I use apt-get/apt-cache on ubuntu, too |
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| 04:29.42 | cire | that's why I said "rumors" |
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| 04:29.50 | cire | some say aptitude would be smarter |
| 04:29.52 | jmarsden | !why aptitude |
| 04:29.53 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Be careful. |
| 04:29.53 | dlyneshome | Everyone else in the office is using some gui tool synaptic |
| 04:29.57 | cire | but I am not sure with that |
| 04:30.05 | cire | (solving dependency problems etc) |
| 04:30.09 | homushi | debian developers recommend aptitude and that's all |
| 04:30.25 | prince_jammys | !why aptitude |
| 04:30.25 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Be careful. |
| 04:30.46 | cire | ahh, okay |
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| 04:31.01 | dlyneshome | yeah...aptitude just found some broken packages that apt-get didn't |
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| 04:31.06 | cire | so I stay with apt-get until I cannot resolve my problems on my own ;) |
| 04:31.08 | dlyneshome | but for the most part, i avoid aptitude |
| 04:31.40 | prince_jammys | yes, but apt-get doesn't have minesweeper |
| 04:31.57 | homushi | and moo powers! |
| 04:32.12 | cire | so, just to tear those things I heard apart: is it true that if you want to use aptitude, you should use it from the beginning? (binstead of using apt-get and then switching) |
| 04:32.16 | homushi | actually, aptitude doesnt have either |
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| 04:32.55 | homushi | cire, you should use one of them and stick to it, right |
| 04:33.04 | homushi | choose |
| 04:33.15 | cire | i chose. ;) thanks |
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| 04:34.04 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
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| 04:52.11 | Secondi | am I suppose to to run a command to update boot time depends? It looks like when I add $all to depends the init script still runs BEFORE something else |
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| 04:54.06 | LinuxGuy2009 | I'm having issues with flash web content. I removed gnash from my system and installed adobe flash plugin package. Flash (YouTube) works in konqueror but I cant get it to work properly in chromium-browser or google chrome. The videos show up but are pink/red in color and are being displayed with a second overlayed video, like a ghost video on top of the original. Sound plays fine. Im in KDE if that matters. |
| 04:55.15 | LinuxGuy2009 | Also chromium will not remember that its the default browser. Asks each and every launch. |
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| 05:01.22 | tux0 | LinuxGuy2009 asks when? |
| 05:01.35 | tux0 | are you using GNOME/KDE? |
| 05:02.08 | LinuxGuy2009 | tux0: I'm having issues with flash web content. I removed gnash from my system and installed adobe flash plugin package. Flash (YouTube) works in konqueror but I cant get it to work properly in chromium-browser or google chrome. The videos show up but are pink/red in color and are being displayed with a second overlayed video, like a ghost video on top of the original. Sound plays fine. Im in KDE if that matters. |
| 05:02.16 | tux0 | I read that :) |
| 05:02.31 | tux0 | oh maybe not to well |
| 05:02.37 | tux0 | missed the KDE on the end :) |
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| 05:06.58 | Faulout | :) |
| 05:07.07 | LinuxGuy2009 | http://imagebin.org/143069 |
| 05:08.06 | Faulout | the ad displayed nicellt |
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| 05:08.26 | tolle | LinuxGuy2009: update the flash version |
| 05:08.27 | tux0 | LinuxGuy2009 well I have neverd used chromium/google chrome, maybe chromium and play flash videos using the adobe flugin and another way and it's playing them both ways at once? |
| 05:08.29 | tux0 | :( |
| 05:08.31 | tolle | Had the same issue for a while. |
| 05:08.53 | tolle | Or something, cant remember what exactly fixed it. |
| 05:09.01 | LinuxGuy2009 | I have the newest version from adobe.com |
| 05:09.07 | Faulout | how do i install google tool bar on linux |
| 05:09.09 | Faulout | ? |
| 05:09.20 | tolle | enable html5 video on youtube? |
| 05:09.31 | LinuxGuy2009 | 10.2.152.27 |
| 05:09.56 | tolle | ah |
| 05:09.59 | tolle | well theres 10.3 |
| 05:10.10 | LinuxGuy2009 | is 10.3 stable? |
| 05:10.19 | tolle | flash is never stable |
| 05:10.39 | Faulout | its like linux its a moving target |
| 05:10.40 | LinuxGuy2009 | well not beta crap I mean |
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| 05:11.00 | Faulout | its not alpha |
| 05:11.22 | tolle | well you are having issues now |
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| 05:11.25 | LinuxGuy2009 | talking in riddles here |
| 05:11.33 | tolle | and I had earlier with a 10.2 version |
| 05:11.41 | LinuxGuy2009 | tolle: Oh |
| 05:12.14 | LinuxGuy2009 | tolle: Think maybe its just a buggy plugin version possibly? |
| 05:12.41 | tolle | probably |
| 05:12.48 | OMGeek | its probablly just google playing out its bugs |
| 05:13.42 | LinuxGuy2009 | tolle: gnash actually plays fine and I could just manually set the active flash plug to that. Only issue though is chromium-browser cant remember that I already set it to the default browser. |
| 05:14.05 | OMGeek | you wont need flash any longer you got html5 |
| 05:14.51 | LinuxGuy2009 | OMGeek: Are you saying flash will soon be a gonner or already is? |
| 05:15.08 | LinuxGuy2009 | hopefully |
| 05:16.24 | tux0 | how long would it take to convert all of youtubes videos from flash? |
| 05:16.59 | OMGeek | you will get a page that does the transmuxing on the fly |
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| 05:21.36 | jmarsden | emacsenlee: AFAIK, you can't do that. Those are two different VPN technologies. |
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| 05:22.20 | emacsenlee | then the error code :couldn't find MPPE support in pppd |
| 05:22.45 | emacsenlee | is that mean i have to recompile my kernel? |
| 05:23.21 | jmarsden | emacsenlee: If the remote server is using PPTP, you might want to try using pptp-linux as the client ? |
| 05:24.24 | emacsenlee | yes i am using pptp-linux as the client |
| 05:25.13 | emacsenlee | but once pptpsetup got configured,the error pop out |
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| 05:26.55 | jmarsden | can't remember what MPPE support is all about, it is too long since I played with that stuff... I suspect there is a way to configure pptp-linux to do MPPE. Look in http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-diagnosis.phtml for how to troubleshoot that stuff. |
| 05:27.46 | emacsenlee | http://debian.pastebin.us/2478 pptpsetup commandline like this |
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| 05:35.25 | gnarface | as mysteriously as it disappeared, my pc speaker started beeping again after the last sid update, whenever i try to tab-complete something in a terminal that is not a specific match |
| 05:35.53 | gnarface | my mixer already shows "beep" muted and the volume all the way down, though i did twiddle it once to make sure there was no effect. suggestions? |
| 05:36.32 | gnarface | (other than "unplug it" because i would still like to be able to hear the POST beep on boot up) |
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| 05:37.52 | tux0 | emacsenlee what version of ppp do you have? |
| 05:38.23 | tux0 | gnarface disable it in your terminal config? |
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| 05:39.08 | tux0 | beep/bell |
| 05:39.09 | gnarface | tux0: happen to know how to do that with urxvt? my search of the man page so far is failing |
| 05:39.19 | gnarface | bell! thank you tux0 |
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| 05:39.30 | tux0 | np |
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| 05:39.53 | tux0 | I don't think the beep in your mixer application refers to the same thing |
| 05:39.58 | gnarface | tux0: no dice. :( i'm only seeing options to enable/disable visual bell |
| 05:40.18 | tux0 | hrm I don't use urxvt |
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| 05:41.31 | sleazye | Wondering what package to log a bug against. The thinkpad_acpi module (which gets auto-loaded with squeeze on my thinkpad) does not have control of the system fans until I edit a value in /etc/modprobe.d/thinkpad_acpi.conf |
| 05:41.46 | sleazye | Any idea what package to file a bug against? |
| 05:41.49 | tux0 | the mixer controls the dsp and the beep comes from that tiny board speaker not sure what you call them |
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| 05:42.09 | gnarface | tux0: aah! turning on visual bell seems to automatically disable audio bell. that works, thanks for putting me in the right direction |
| 05:42.23 | gnarface | it is still a mystery why it came back in the first place though |
| 05:42.28 | gnarface | that hadn't worked in forever |
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| 05:42.42 | gnarface | i *thought* that i had disabled it by muting it on the mixer, in fact |
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| 05:43.18 | gnarface | the man page could be more specific about that |
| 05:43.23 | gnarface | (urxvt that is) |
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| 05:45.49 | tux0 | gnarface you can configure this in console mode using setterm too |
| 05:46.28 | gnarface | oh you mean like outside of x? |
| 05:46.32 | tux0 | yes |
| 05:46.36 | gnarface | that would be handy |
| 05:47.00 | gnarface | i really gotta learn all that low-level terminal stuff better |
| 05:47.16 | gnarface | considering how much i time i spend using them |
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| 05:49.15 | greenm0nk | hi all. |
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| 05:50.23 | greenm0nk | is there any doc that has instructions for installing ubuntu on a tablet? I got this chinese tablet from a friend with VIA8505 processor (ARM). |
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| 05:53.23 | jmarsden | !tell greenm0nk about ubuntu |
| 05:54.50 | greenm0nk | jmarsden: thanks! but i thought debian would be simpler with the Canonical going with unity, wayland, and other stuff. |
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| 05:55.39 | jmarsden | greenm0nk: You asked: "is there any doc that has instructions for installing ubuntu on a tablet?" in #debian ... bad idea :) |
| 05:56.13 | greenm0nk | jmarsden: oh crap! sorry. my bad. seems like i wasnt concentrating (i use ubuntu as a desktop) |
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| 05:56.31 | Sterios_13 | Hi to all |
| 05:56.37 | niklaswe | hello |
| 05:57.04 | Sterios_13 | Anybody know Russian?;) |
| 05:57.10 | Sterios_13 | language |
| 05:57.12 | jmarsden | !ru |
| 05:57.12 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here. |
| 05:57.28 | Sterios_13 | thx!) |
| 05:57.36 | jmarsden | Sterios_13: You're welcome |
| 05:57.56 | Sterios_13 | so, do you help me? |
| 05:58.07 | Sterios_13 | I search IP filter for Debian(6.0) |
| 05:58.36 | Sterios_13 | where I can setup black and white ip list |
| 05:58.55 | Sterios_13 | Anybody now program for this? |
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| 05:59.32 | Sterios_13 | know* |
| 05:59.56 | Sterios_13 | Sorry for my bad English) |
| 06:00.03 | gnarface | Sterios_13: i prefer using a separate firewall... but you could look into hosts.deny and hosts.allow or iptables or pf or any of a number of other solutions |
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| 06:01.34 | Sterios_13 | I can not configure iptables because I don `t know him at all |
| 06:02.07 | gnarface | Sterios_13: i'm sorry but i do not know any solutions that won't require you to read a lot |
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| 06:02.33 | gnarface | Sterios_13: maybe someone in the russian debian channel knows of some good howto in russian? |
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| 06:02.52 | mjmt | Sterios_13: Perhaps ufw (Uncomplicated FireWall). |
| 06:03.14 | Sterios_13 | I thought that there is any program with GUI and easy config) |
| 06:03.17 | mjmt | Has a gui, gufw. |
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| 06:04.42 | Sterios_13 | I have installed this program but I don `t know how to go Record ip lists(black\white) |
| 06:05.13 | Sterios_13 | The channel debian-russian all generally silent) |
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| 06:07.59 | gnarface | Sterios_13: you tried ufw and you still can't figure it out? i would recommend you read about iptables ... a lot |
| 06:09.04 | Sterios_13 | ok, I trying |
| 06:09.18 | Sterios_13 | Big thanks for all who help me |
| 06:09.34 | Sterios_13 | Friendly community |
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| 06:26.50 | \3TATUK | Can someone please link me to the page where you can submit new package inclusion suggestions? |
| 06:28.22 | jmarsden | \3TATUK: Maybe http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ is what you seek? |
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| 06:32.35 | chron_ | how can i use the scripts for "workstation" template on debian netinst cd? |
| 06:32.43 | chron_ | or any of those templates |
| 06:32.49 | chron_ | i want to use it through a debootstrap |
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| 06:33.27 | \3TATUK | jmarsden: yep thanks |
| 06:33.40 | jmarsden | \3TATUK: You're welcome. |
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| 06:41.36 | mactimes | Hello, everyone. |
| 06:41.48 | gnarface | hello |
| 06:42.21 | mactimes | I just installed Squeeze on my laptop. I'm having issues with my mic. Can't have it working to capture. |
| 06:42.34 | mactimes | Could someone, please, give me a hand on this? |
| 06:43.10 | gnarface | easily |
| 06:43.18 | mactimes | I made a clean install with no graphical interface, just laptop and base system. Then installed KDE (kde-full) |
| 06:43.34 | gnarface | with alsamixer open in a terminal, hit "tab" to access the recording settings |
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| 06:43.45 | gnarface | the default view only shows playback settings |
| 06:43.57 | mactimes | gnarface: Yeah, already tried that. |
| 06:44.17 | gnarface | alsa or oss? |
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| 06:44.50 | mactimes | gnarface: Well, I tried it with alsa in another installation, but didn't work either. |
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| 06:45.23 | gnarface | mactimes: the leading cause of failure of any sort with alsa is user error; not that its your fault (alsa's documentation and default configs all suck ass) |
| 06:45.38 | mactimes | gnarface: Humm. |
| 06:45.58 | gnarface | mactimes: but you should also make sure that you're using alsa-oss instead of having alsa+oss installed in conjunction, and you should also make sure esound (esd) and pulse audio are NOT installed - they screw with alsa big time |
| 06:45.58 | mactimes | gnarface: I'm not experienced with oss. Would you mind giving me a hand on that? |
| 06:46.22 | emacsenlee | any good decoder suggest to watch 720p videos? |
| 06:46.34 | emacsenlee | my gpu is ati x1270 |
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| 06:47.00 | gnarface | mactimes: unfortunately i'm not experienced with oss anymore either really as i switched to alsa some years ago, but with oss recording is usually just as simple as unumuting your mic and finding the right /dev/dsp* file to cat and pipe to whatever program |
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| 06:48.11 | mactimes | gnarface: Alright. Thanks anyways. A friend of mine is a OSS contributor. I'll see if he can get me a hand on it once he wakes up. |
| 06:48.21 | mactimes | gnarface: Anyways, thank you very much for your time. |
| 06:48.45 | gnarface | mactimes: sorry i couldn't help more. if you want to try alsa more i've got some other gotchas i can walk you through... |
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| 06:49.27 | mactimes | gnarface: Well, sure, why not. I'm not configuring oss till he wakes up anyways. |
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| 06:49.50 | mactimes | gnarface: Since it's 3:49 am here, that might take some time for him to come over. |
| 06:50.30 | jthm | can't see why alsas oss emulation would magically make the mic work though |
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| 06:51.05 | mactimes | gnarface: I have a clean system install now. Where do I begin? |
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| 06:51.23 | gnarface | mactimes: ok so short version for this one... after you've ensured esd and pulseaudio are not running/installed, try recording OUTSIDE of X entirely - KDE and other window managers may be tying up your playback device in a way which blocks recording |
| 06:52.25 | gnarface | mactimes: how to *fix* what should be a default configuration is a separate process, but first we must make sure its not desktop software's terrible default alsa configuration causing the issue |
| 06:53.42 | mactimes | gnarface: Humm. Well, I have sound output working fine. The only thing it's not really working is the microphone capture. |
| 06:54.03 | gnarface | mactimes: please don't let that confuse you, just humor me and try it |
| 06:54.14 | gnarface | mactimes: if that turns out to work, i'll explain why and how to fix it |
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| 06:54.25 | gnarface | mactimes: if that does not work we'll not waste time there and move on to another possibility |
| 06:54.50 | gnarface | mactimes: i'm going in order of likelyhood here. you did verify pulseaudio and esd are gone, right? |
| 06:55.12 | mactimes | gnarface: Ok. Hold on. So I should remove ESD and Pulse, right? Doing that now. |
| 06:55.32 | gnarface | mactimes: yea they just confuse the issue |
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| 06:56.14 | gnarface | i consider esd and pulseaudio the last resort to get playback if all else failed and recording is not required |
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| 06:58.10 | mactimes | gnarface: I removed esound and pulseaudio. I wonder pulseaudio-utils and libpulse0 will no longer be required and can remove those too, right? |
| 06:59.42 | gnarface | mactimes: pulseaudio-utils most likely, libpulse0 maybe not. I dont use gnome or kde and they sometimes "require" weird shit. what is important is that neither actually has a running daemon |
| 07:00.28 | mactimes | gnarface: Sure. Just tried now with simmulation mode here and it would mess up the system by removing libpulse0 |
| 07:00.41 | mactimes | gnarface: Ok. pulseaudio-utils has been removed. |
| 07:01.37 | mactimes | gnarface: Reboot? |
| 07:01.47 | gnarface | mactimes: ok now you'll want to get all the way out of X back to the main console - if you're using a graphical login manager you may have to be mean to it (ctrl-alt-f2, then alt-f1, then ctrl-c) otherwise it should be easy to just drop X by logging out. |
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| 07:02.33 | gnarface | mactimes: reboot would be likely unecessary in most cases but not ALL cases (say a glitch that caused the driver to lock up) but what is important is that if you do reboot, it doesn't just go right back to your graphical login manager... you want the entire X system OFF for this next test |
| 07:03.14 | mactimes | gnarface: Ok. Just give me a minute to install irssi here then. |
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| 07:06.23 | mactimes | Ok. It's installed |
| 07:06.46 | gnarface | i'll be here |
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| 07:07.08 | gnarface | drop X |
| 07:07.52 | mactimes | Ok, I'll be right back. |
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| 07:10.38 | mactimes | gnarface: Ok. I stopped kdm too, just in case. |
| 07:11.32 | gnarface | mactimes: ok so you're looking at your console virtual terminal now... no X whatsoever? and ps verifies esd and pulse are not running? |
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| 07:11.51 | mactimes | gnarface: No X running now. Just TTY's |
| 07:12.32 | gnarface | mactimes: the next step is to fire up alsamixer and make sure the proper volumes are up and their channels are unmuted. |
| 07:12.42 | mactimes | Ok. |
| 07:12.52 | mactimes | I'll do it in another TTY. Just a second. |
| 07:12.53 | gnarface | mactimes: then test playback and record with aplay/arecord |
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| 07:13.31 | gnarface | mactimes: if one/either doesn't work, paste me your command |
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| 07:13.49 | mactimes | gnarface: I should install alsa-oss, right? |
| 07:14.38 | gnarface | mactimes: you won't need it for this, since we'll be testing ALSA recording (which will require a quick crash course in alsa device naming) but i like alsa-oss so it will be handy to have for later if you want to say... play quake 1 or something |
| 07:15.05 | mactimes | gnarface: Ok. |
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| 07:15.23 | mactimes | gnarface: Hold on. |
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| 07:17.33 | mactimes | gnarface: aplay works fine. Just using with a wav file now. I'll check the arecord man page to see how it works. Just a sec. |
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| 07:18.34 | gnarface | mactimes: the trick with being able to play+record at the same time tends to be in picking the right device name to pass to -D |
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| 07:19.20 | mactimes | gnarface: Ok. I'll check the devices list. Hold on. |
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| 07:19.36 | gnarface | mactimes: but the new intel-HDA based soundcards that are proliferating into everything can have some seriously confusing audio settings - for example its not enough to just unmute the mic and turn the volume up, you also have to select a capture channel (with the space bar) and then select 'mic' an input source |
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| 07:23.51 | gnarface | mactimes: you said this was a laptop mic, correct? not a mic plugged into an 1/8th inch line/in or mic jack? |
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| 07:24.45 | mactimes | gnarface: Yeah. This laptop has a mic embedded in the LCD. Also has a mic input jack, but I never used it. |
| 07:25.18 | gnarface | mactimes: they may show up as separate controls in the mixer, maybe not. couldn't be sure. is it intel-hda based? |
| 07:25.18 | mactimes | gnarface: When I do a arecord --list-pcms, I don't see any device to use as input mic, besided the default one. |
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| 07:25.30 | mactimes | gnarface: Yeah. there are 3 input controls in the mixer. |
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| 07:25.56 | gnarface | mactimes: pastebin the output of -l and -L (not to be confused) |
| 07:25.59 | mactimes | gnarface: Each one allows me to pick: CD | Line | Mic | Front Mic |
| 07:26.22 | mactimes | gnarface: Humm. How do I pastebin from the TTY? |
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| 07:26.55 | gnarface | mactimes: shit. i forget. gpm maybe? |
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| 07:28.10 | simonrvn | !pastebinit |
| 07:28.10 | dpkg | [pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". |
| 07:28.17 | mactimes | gnarface: Hold on. I remember of hearing an utility for pastebin from TTY. |
| 07:28.17 | simonrvn | use a recent version |
| 07:28.25 | mactimes | simonrvn: Thanks! That's it. ;-) |
| 07:28.41 | gnarface | mactimes: so for my intel-hda soundcard, i gotta turn "mic boost" all the way up, and then i had to figure out that "capture 1" for example corresponded to "input source 1" and if i didn't set "input source 1" to "mic" and ALSO hit the spacebar with "capture 1" selected (which shows red "CAPTURE" text under that capture channel then) the fact mic playback was up and unmuted and even audible wouldn't actually net me the ability to |
| 07:28.41 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:30.15 | gnarface | mactimes: and once you got THAT hurdle down, assuming it works without us having to modify the options passed to your sound driver module at modprobe time, then i'll tell you how to pick device names for playback and record that will allow them to work simultaneously (which almost no defaults ever do - *sigh* alsa) |
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| 07:31.39 | mactimes | gnarface: There it is. |
| 07:31.50 | gnarface | where? |
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| 07:32.26 | gnarface | mactimes: gimme the link |
| 07:32.40 | mactimes | gnarface: http://pastebin.com/J98fm1bH and http://pastebin.com/eFmWTXE1 |
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| 07:35.13 | gnarface | mactimes: did you figure out the mixer settings? got red "capture" on the right input channel and all? (i'd pick the first one) and its volume as well as the mic capture volume all the way up? |
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| 07:36.07 | gnarface | mactimes: on my computer there's a separate setting for the "front mic" capture for this motherboard (its a desktop not a laptop) that i don't have connected - with your laptop it may be a bit ambiguous |
| 07:36.25 | mactimes | gnarface: Well, I'm getting white noise when recording. Let me see if I can make it record my voice. I'm not sure about the input channel. |
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| 07:36.46 | mactimes | gnarface: I should be able to record my voice in some of those channels, right? |
| 07:37.10 | gnarface | mactimes: well on mine, any of them work, but only one at a time can be selected, so its a matter of just making sure i match the one the mic is set to |
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| 07:39.07 | gnarface | mactimes: just so i know for sure, you're familiar with how alsamixer denotes muted vs unmuted channels, right? (little MM at the bottom) and how to toggle it? |
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| 07:40.24 | mactimes | gnarface: Yup. |
| 07:40.37 | Guero | hrllo |
| 07:40.40 | Guero | hello |
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| 07:42.58 | mactimes | gnarface: I have Capture | Capture 1 | Capture 2 | Digital | Input Source | Input Source 1 | Input Source 2 |
| 07:43.13 | mactimes | gnarface: I'm switching them to find the correct one. |
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| 07:45.23 | gnarface | mactimes: i don't think they correspond to physical ports, i think those are just software record channels, try hitting space on "Capture" so that there's a red "L CAPTURE R" under it and make sure that its volume is maxxed, then make sure that "Input Source" is set to "Mic" and ALSO make sure that "Mic Boost" and "Front Mic Boost" are both also maxxed (i have those on the same screen as i have captureN, digital and inputN, i'm a |
| 07:45.23 | gnarface | ssuming you do too - no?) |
| 07:46.36 | gnarface | my mic is loud and clear with them all maxxed, but otherwise i have trouble even hearing myself in recordings over the ambient line noise |
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| 07:47.37 | mactimes | gnarface: I don't have a Mic Boots controller here. Hitting space on those Capture devices makes L Capture R appear, sure. |
| 07:47.44 | mactimes | gnarface: All is maxxed. |
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| 07:48.41 | gnarface | mactimes: so if you run "arecord test_out.wav" for a few seconds while you shout into the mic, then ctrl-c to stop it, then run "aplay test_out.wav" you hear anything at all? |
| 07:49.18 | gnarface | mactimes: also paste me aplay's output when you play that test file) |
| 07:49.27 | mactimes | gnarface: I get white noise only. |
| 07:49.41 | mactimes | gnarface: Hold on. |
| 07:50.38 | gnarface | mactimes: this suggests to me the case mic is not being used. this suggests its the mic jac that it is grabbing. this may be something we'll have to fix by passing a specific parameter to the snd_hda_intel module in order to override improper auto-detection (it happens) |
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| 07:52.22 | gnarface | mactimes: you have tried both "Mic" as well as "Front Mic" as your captured input source for arecord, right? |
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| 07:53.35 | mactimes | gnarface: Sure. |
| 07:55.29 | gnarface | mactimes: what's the story with aplay on that arecord? |
| 07:56.03 | gnarface | (what does the output of aplay say about the contents of the wav file) |
| 07:56.10 | gnarface | khz, etc |
| 07:57.25 | mactimes | gnarface: Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono |
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| 07:57.53 | mactimes | gnarface: Prior to that says: Playng WAVE 'test.wav' |
| 07:57.54 | SPF | Xming has a parameter like -fp tcp/10.42.43.20:7100, to use a remote font server. I need this font server when I connect to a specific machine. How can I connect from Gnome? |
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| 07:59.09 | gnarface | mactimes: happen to have a mic to test the mic jack with? if not my next plan involves finding an alternate string to pass to the driver's "model" parameter at modprobe time |
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| 08:00.00 | mactimes | gnarface: Sorry, gave my old one to my syster since I didn't need it. Don't have any external mic anymore. |
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| 08:01.39 | gnarface | mactimes: in a pinch you can use a pair of headphones and just shout louder - its the same physical hardware, just one is proportioned for be optimal at recording while one is proportioned for being optimal at playback - plugging a stereo plug into the mic's mono jack usually will work with at least one of the headphone channels though you may have to insert it only part-way (depends on the mic jack really) |
| 08:02.04 | mactimes | gnarface: I'll try, hold on. |
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| 08:03.52 | mactimes | gnarface: No luck. |
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| 08:04.15 | mactimes | gnarface: I guess it's because I only have stereo speakers. |
| 08:04.20 | mactimes | gnarface: Anyways, didn't work. |
| 08:04.24 | gnarface | mactimes: no not necessarily |
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| 08:04.58 | gnarface | mactimes: my next theory is that the driver is not autodetecting all your hardware ports in the right order - so what it thinks is the mic is not the mic, hence you only hear white-noise while recording |
| 08:05.22 | gnarface | mactimes: check this page quick: http://alsa.opensrc.org/Hda figure out which model parameter looks like it most matches your laptop model. what laptop model is it, by the way? |
| 08:05.24 | sdnalanis | hi i got a question for anyone who can help: how to mmake wireless card atheros work in debain? |
| 08:05.35 | gnarface | !atheros |
| 08:05.35 | dpkg | Atheros Communications is a developer of semiconductors. Ask me about <ath5k>, <ath9k> or <ar9170> for stable wireless LAN chipset drivers; <ar5523>, <ath9k_htc> or <carl9170> for wireless drivers under development. Ask me about <atl1>, <atl2>, <atl1e> or <atl1c> for Ethernet adapter drivers. For Bluetooth, see <ath3k>. http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/Atheros |
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| 08:06.01 | mactimes | gnarface: Sony Vaio VGN-SR350A |
| 08:06.53 | mactimes | gnarface: Do you want the output for lshw? |
| 08:07.21 | gnarface | mactimes: nah just pick something off that page that looks like it has the right amount of ports |
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| 08:08.08 | gnarface | mactimes: i'm still trying to google the specs on that laptop but since its sitting in front of you this part may be easier for you to do yourself ;) |
| 08:08.11 | mactimes | gnarface: Hold on, I'll go back to X. |
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| 08:09.06 | mactimes | gnarface: Well, It only has a mic input and speaker output ports besides the embedded mic and speakers. |
| 08:09.15 | gnarface | mactimes: wait! you should know that if kde ties up your 'hw' audio device you won't be able to test recording anymore unless you can pass 'plug:dsnoop' or something to the device that you're recording with |
| 08:09.16 | mactimes | gnarface: But I'll start X and let you know. Hold on. |
| 08:09.31 | gnarface | er, to the *program* you're recording with rather |
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| 08:09.37 | mactimes | gnarface: Hummm. |
| 08:09.58 | ethanol | morning people |
| 08:10.01 | mactimes | gnarface: Well, I won't be able to check the page from TTY. |
| 08:10.08 | gnarface | mactimes: we didn't get to the whole "no hardware record+playback problem" that requires software patches that mysteriously aren't ever alsa's defaults |
| 08:10.24 | gnarface | mactimes: ok go to kde then |
| 08:10.31 | mactimes | gnarface: Ok. BRB |
| 08:10.32 | Some_Person | flashplugin-nonfree in debian amd64 -- is this a native 64bit version of flash, or the 32bit version with a wrapper? |
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| 08:10.50 | gnarface | Some_Person: native one, i believe - however outdated |
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| 08:14.23 | mactimes | gnarface: I'm back |
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| 08:14.53 | mactimes | gnarface: Checking the page you send. |
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| 08:15.08 | gnarface | mactimes: ok lemme know what you think - myself i'm not clear but i'd guess maybe one of the 3-stack ones |
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| 08:15.40 | jthm | wouldn't the pciid give a hint? |
| 08:16.05 | SPF | you can add a remote font server with sudo xset fp+ tcp/10.42.43.20:7100. As a user you can see if the remote font server is added with xset q. |
| 08:16.15 | gnarface | mactimes: can't even get specs from sony's site directly for that laptop and the quickstart manual is useless :( but i did notice one thing - there's a bios update listed, i've had mysterious problems with laptop soundcards before that nobody else was having that were fixed by bios updates |
| 08:16.43 | jthm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:17.08 | AthomIk | hello |
| 08:17.51 | gnarface | jthm: would it? only if you read the driver source, i would suspect, as the model= options map to somewhat general descriptions of cards based on form-factor (audio jack count mixed with some manufacturer caveats) |
| 08:18.11 | mactimes | gnarface: Yeah, don't worry about BIOS updates. I keep it up and running with the latest versions. |
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| 08:26.26 | wols_ | I'm booting a VM with init=/bin/sh and try to chane the password but I get an error message |
| 08:26.47 | gnarface | mactimes: keep in mind that with that card if kde is grabbing the alsa 'hw' device for playback then nothing else will be able to record (since they tend to grab hw by default too and that card is almost certainly not capable of hardware duplexing - so you'll have to turn to alsa plugins) |
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| 08:27.53 | wols_ | root filesystem is mounted rw |
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| 08:30.13 | gnarface | mactimes: you get my last message about kde grabbing the alsa hw device? |
| 08:30.26 | mactimes | gnarface: Nope. |
| 08:30.28 | wols_ | ok, mount lied to me :( |
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| 08:30.47 | gnarface | mactimes: keep in mind that with that card if kde is grabbing the alsa 'hw' device for playback then nothing else will be able to record (since they tend to grab hw by default too and that card is almost certainly not capable of hardware duplexing - so you'll have to turn to alsa plugins) |
| 08:31.42 | gnarface | mactimes: just being clear on why i had you bail out of X to test in the first place, so you don't fix the first problem with a module parameter and not realize it because you ran into a second entirely different problem with the same symptoms - i had to mess with alsa for a week to figure all this stuff out the hard way |
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| 08:33.44 | mactimes | gnarface: Well, I'm not sure about the board capabilities. What I can tell you for sure is that it works on latest Ubuntu. I can grab the parameters from my external hard drive that I'm using to work with while Debian is not fully operational in the internal hard disk, which has Ubuntu installed if you tell me what to look for. |
| 08:34.17 | jthm | different kernel/alsaversions? |
| 08:35.02 | mactimes | jthm: Hold on. I'll mount the disk to check. |
| 08:35.06 | gnarface | jthm, mactimes yea - probably thats it. what version of debian did you say you were using? sounds like a problem with auto-detection in the driver that ubuntu has a fix for but debian doesn't yet.... that doesn't mean you can't still fix it with a model= option passed to snd_hda_intel though |
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| 08:36.31 | mactimes | gnarface: I'm running Squeeze. Just downloaded it from the web a couple of days ago to upgrade my home office's server. Liked the new version and decided to dump Ubuntu. |
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| 08:37.24 | gnarface | jthm: do you know how to find out what the snd_hda_intel driver autodetects? |
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| 08:38.41 | gnarface | what's the squeeze kernel now? 2.6.32? |
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| 08:39.53 | mactimes | gnarface: 2.6.35-27 is the one from Ubuntu |
| 08:40.12 | mactimes | gnarface: Let me see if I can get the alsa version without booting into Ubuntu. |
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| 08:43.05 | jthm | gnarface there's some script to run - not on a linux system atm so can't look it up |
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| 08:43.46 | mactimes | gnarface: http://is.gd/5Df3rw |
| 08:43.57 | bacon_ | hello. I'm looking further the name of the keyserver solution used by debian developers to share their public keys |
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| 08:44.06 | bacon_ | (i'm willing to set up an intern keyserver for my team) |
| 08:44.12 | jthm | alsa-info.sh |
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| 08:45.08 | gnarface | jthm: is that in a debian package? |
| 08:45.46 | jthm | gnarface quite sure it is |
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| 08:46.34 | gnarface | jthm: can't find it with apt-file :( |
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| 08:46.48 | gnarface | jthm: maybe its been replaced in sid with something else? |
| 08:46.54 | mactimes | gnarface: I tried here with aptitude search and apt-get search too. |
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| 08:50.15 | gnarface | fucking pc speaker beep! where did it come from and how can i disable it without unplugging the speaker? |
| 08:50.42 | mactimes | gnarface: alsamixer has a controller for that. |
| 08:50.59 | gnarface | mactimes: it is a lie |
| 08:51.12 | mactimes | gnarface: Don't know if that solves. But out of X it worked for me. |
| 08:51.30 | gnarface | mactimes: ok have you tried model=3stack? i'd try that, then i'd try that with position_fix=1 and then i'd try model=vaio |
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| 08:51.51 | bacon_ | just to bump the question- does someone knows which solution are using debian developer as a keyserver to share their public keys? :-) |
| 08:52.13 | gnarface | mactimes: i thought i had disabled the beep with alsamixer, but the latest sid update brought my beeping back... in everything. now i get beeps if i search for text in iceweasel on a page and the text isn't there |
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| 08:58.50 | Kasreyn | i disconnected external keyboard from my laptop and now keys "uiojklm" print out the numeric pad counterparts "4561230", how do you reset back to normal? |
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| 08:59.10 | mactimes | gnarface, jthm: Well, I'm giving up for now. Got to see a customer in a bit. Thank you for all help and time. |
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| 08:59.48 | gnarface | mactimes: sorry i couldn't help... good luck with it. you might want to try to see if sid helps any more - seems like just a module version difference that model= can override if you can find the right option |
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| 09:00.41 | gnarface | Kasreyn: toggle it off? |
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| 09:01.00 | mactimes | gnarface: Yeah, I'll check it out later, when I have a bit more time. But thanks for the try! ;-) |
| 09:01.11 | gnarface | mactimes: np |
| 09:01.51 | Kasreyn | gnarface: how? I'm not pressing the laptop "Fn" key and i don't think it's broken.. |
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| 09:03.04 | gnarface | Kasreyn: if you can't figure it out from the info printed on your keys directly, i'd recommend checking your user manual. there should be a toggle numpad/numlock or something like that for it |
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| 09:04.13 | Kasreyn | gnarface: thanks. NumLK was on i guess. i'm really not used to laptops.. |
| 09:04.18 | gnarface | Kasreyn: likely you turned it ON with the external keyboard plugged in and didn't realize that when you did this it also turns it on for your internal keyboard, which has to (unlike the external keyboard) share keys for those ones |
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| 09:05.16 | Kasreyn | such a trivial problem :) |
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| 09:06.05 | gnarface | Kasreyn: most of them are, if you have the right information |
| 09:06.18 | gnarface | Kasreyn: its coming by that information that isn't always so easy |
| 09:06.56 | becker_11 | Hi I'm wanting to d'load & install the GnuIceCat browser but they have 2 versions avail 1 is labled i686 and the other isn't my laptop is a Intel Core i5 so which file should I d'load?? |
| 09:07.00 | gnarface | crams linux onto shit that resists just for the fun of it, which is the only reason why he has some of this information |
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| 09:07.40 | gnarface | becker_11: it probably won't matter. if the other one isn't specific it is probably i386 - either is suitable for your machine |
| 09:08.00 | becker_11 | gnarface: Thanks |
| 09:08.41 | gnarface | becker_11: np, good luck. fyi if someone catches you asking non-debian questions in this channel they'll probably get mad at you and me both |
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| 09:10.10 | becker_11 | gnarface: But I'm d'loading it to run on debian so how is that non-debian?? |
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| 09:12.09 | gnarface | becker_11: because its not a package that is included in debian. if it were, the correct arch version would be picked automatically by apt/aptitude to match your port, so the problem isn't even a problem you could possibly even have if it was a supported debian component, but don't worry, i won't tell anyone ;) |
| 09:13.06 | simonrvn | except the log |
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| 09:13.21 | gnarface | simonrvn: shh! |
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| 09:13.42 | becker_11 | gnarface: okay fair point I guess - Hello to the log viewer/s lol |
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| 09:13.52 | simonrvn | /topic |
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| 09:17.52 | pbn | I just did a fresh install of Debian 6.0. How do I enable hardware acceleration for my nvidia card ? I tried aptitude install nvidia-glx but the package cannot be found.... |
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| 09:19.23 | gnarface | pbn: if you want *3d* hardware acceleration you need some package from non-free ... something like nvidia-binary-nonfree or something like that and you may need to change/create your xorg.conf to keep the open source one from loading instead (which has limited 2d accel and no 3d accel) |
| 09:19.54 | gnarface | pbn: i forget the package name sorry, i always use the one from their website because i need to ride the BLEEDING EDGE |
| 09:20.24 | gnarface | pbn: do an apt-cache search ^nvidia and pastebin the output, i'll tell you which one it is. |
| 09:20.36 | pbn | gnarface: aaaah thank you... so I need to add non-free to sources.list and then install nvidia-glx and that kind of thing ? |
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| 09:21.26 | gnarface | pbn: well yea you need to add non-free (and at that point you might as well add contrib too) and then do an apt-get update (just mentioning that to be totally pedantic) and then if you apt-cache search ^nvidia it will become clear which package you're missing |
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| 09:22.31 | gnarface | pbn: it might be nvidia-glx as you say; i just can't remember for sure because i don't use it. i am fixated on having the latest nvidia driver versions the same day they come out because i'm a dirty bastard who plays games in wine |
| 09:22.38 | sdnalanis | what are new features in in squeeze? |
| 09:22.56 | gnarface | sdnalanis: what would you be switching from? |
| 09:23.34 | gnarface | sdnalanis: nevermind my question. read the release notes and answer it for yourself: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
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| 09:24.37 | gnarface | not even a thanks... sheesh |
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| 09:26.26 | pbn | okay when I attempt to do aptitude install nvidia-glx it says nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-amd64 has unmet dependencies because nvidia-kernel-common has no candidate version... any idea ? |
| 09:26.43 | gnarface | pbn: you said this was squeeze? |
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| 09:27.15 | pbn | yes it's 6.0 |
| 09:27.26 | gnarface | pbn: first idea: you added non-free but also need to add contrib. second idea:your kernel is too old |
| 09:27.44 | pbn | gnarface: ah indeed, I forgot contrib :) |
| 09:28.25 | gnarface | pbn: in my experience if you add either you'd might as well add both, since few things that require more than main assume you'd use only 2 of the 3 instead of all 3 |
| 09:29.24 | gnarface | pbn: also the common description of contrib being "open source stuff that might depend on non-free" omits the obvious fact that much of it is in fact open source stuff that non-free depends on |
| 09:30.03 | krull | anyone successfully installed gnome3? and any benifits in moving to it from gnome2? |
| 09:30.32 | pbn | gnarface: okay :) |
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| 09:30.46 | pbn | well now I "just need to reboot" ;) |
| 09:30.48 | jww | hello. |
| 09:30.56 | gnarface | pbn: good luck... |
| 09:31.05 | pbn | gnarface: indeed :) |
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| 09:32.42 | jww | I have some troubles with detecting a fiber channel disk.I use qlogic fibre channel controller.device in /dev/sd* doesn't appears. can somebody help please ? |
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| 09:35.30 | pbn | okay rebooting succeeeded, and now I can see nvidia in lsmod, but... I'm not in the right definition, I'm in 1280x1024 instead of 1680x1050 ... any idea ? perhaps fiddle with xorg.conf ? |
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| 09:36.03 | simonrvn | !contrib |
| 09:36.03 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compatible software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ [lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then aptitude update. Also ask me about <non-free>. |
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| 09:36.28 | gnarface | jww: fucking fibre channel. i really don't want to get involved. in one instance it was the wrong driver loading, in once instance it was an outdated bios version, in one instance it was disabled by default in its own bios, and in a super spectacular instance some jackass had plugged a 64-bit pci card into a 32-bit pci card slot just cause it fit - and frighteningly enough it even posted and the driver loaded and output a log mi |
| 09:36.29 | gnarface | nus any inciminating errors even. *sigh*. fuck fibrechannel |
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| 09:36.41 | khaleel5000 | pbn: i am also a noob, with nivida graphy, try nvidia-xconfig perpahs? |
| 09:36.59 | khaleel5000 | perhaps* |
| 09:37.17 | jww | gnarface: lol yea |
| 09:37.21 | pbn | khaleel5000: ah yes thank you, I forgot that one package |
| 09:37.24 | gnarface | pbn: yea, despite the common view that xorg can now magically auto-detect everything perfectly in my own experience i haven't gotten anything close to acceptable functionality without a carefully hand-edited xorg.conf based on a nvidia-generated default one |
| 09:37.35 | jww | gnarface: I have to setup that on a remote computer, and it's my first time too. |
| 09:38.41 | gnarface | jww: sorry to hear that. there's easily a 50/50 chance you can't even fix it without getting at the card's own bios AND the motherboard's bios. don't suppose you have access to some sort of packplane hardware that can give you pre-POST control for this thing huh? |
| 09:39.18 | jww | gnarface: nop . |
| 09:39.31 | jww | I could ask the sysadmin, but he's really short on skills. |
| 09:39.47 | gnarface | jww: nuke the site from orbit. its the only way to be sure |
| 09:40.01 | jww | heh :) |
| 09:40.36 | jww | do you have documentation on how to setup this ? I could not find many informations. |
| 09:42.16 | gnarface | jww: sorry what little documentation i had back then was just gained by googling for chipset-specific troubleshooting and howtos, and reading the kernel compilation documentation. i seem to recall having to rebuild a custom kernel a dozen times and get some non-free firmware manually extracted from a windows driver disk and loading during debian boot |
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| 09:42.52 | gnarface | jww: also then someone stepped on the cable and we had to replace it at 50$/foot |
| 09:43.02 | jww | ahah. |
| 09:43.19 | gnarface | jww: i recommend copper gigabyte/10gigabyte ethernet |
| 09:43.24 | gnarface | fibrechannel is a sam |
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| 09:43.27 | gnarface | scam |
| 09:43.51 | jww | I got no control on this, my boss ask me to setup it, then I do :( |
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| 09:45.03 | gnarface | jww: google's your best bet unless someone in here with specific knowledge about that fibrechannel card wakes up. |
| 09:45.29 | Leoneof | hello, any help with this: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/15345 ? |
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| 09:45.35 | Leoneof | any help is appreciated, thanks |
| 09:45.38 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:45.44 | gnarface | jww: ^^ |
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| 09:47.08 | gnarface | Leoneof: i can help you this much at least: use squeeze cause etch is deprecated |
| 09:47.48 | pbn | okay, installed nvidia-xconfig, and I'm still stuck in 1280x1024, I was thinking of using my xorg.conf from Debian 5.0, but I just noticed that in 6.0 there's no xorg.conf file but a xorg.conf.d directory... ouch... how/where do I configure 1680x1050 ? |
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| 09:49.20 | gnarface | pbn: my advice... use your xorg.conf from debian 5. there's just no xorg.conf by default there now because the xorg team is all proud of their "massively improved" auto-detection capabilities - as far as i can tell none of them actually can tell the difference between 640x480 at 60hz and a monitor's max resolution+refresh rate |
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| 09:49.57 | pbn | gnarface: okay so I can put my xorg.conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 09:50.21 | gnarface | pbn: yea, the location has not changed. at least you can start with the old working xorg.conf and then start editing it based on /var/log/Xorg.0.log output |
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| 09:51.05 | gnarface | pbn: also if there is anything in xorg.conf.d i'd be tempted to remove it with extreme prejudice, but i'm on sid so i don't have one of those |
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| 09:51.09 | pbn | ok thanksalot gnarface |
| 09:51.22 | gnarface | pbn: np, i've been there |
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| 09:54.01 | leetone | How can I install IceWeasel 4.x in Debian Squeeze? |
| 09:54.06 | pbn | yes it "just works" :) tahnksalot gnarface |
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| 09:54.22 | Leoneof | gnarface: i've Debian 6 DVD ISO, but i'm worry if the problem happens after Format hdd |
| 09:54.25 | pbn | also, I had set up F11 to do the "Ee-like effect |
| 09:54.29 | pbn | oops bad charset |
| 09:55.14 | pbn | also I had setup F11 to do the "ExposĆĀ© |
| 09:55.17 | pbn | like effect |
| 09:55.26 | gnarface | leetone: i'm not sure there is one actually... but maybe you can get the cvs from upstream. i'm running sid and i'm still only seeing icweasel 3.5.17-1 so far |
| 09:55.28 | pbn | how do I set up that again ? |
| 09:55.38 | leetone | gnarface, found: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 09:55.46 | leetone | it's available in backports |
| 09:56.08 | leetone | also, is there any repository that contains prebuilt 2.6.38 for amd64? |
| 09:56.09 | leetone | in experimental/sid repo's there's no linux-kbuild package |
| 09:56.20 | gnarface | pbn: i'm familiar with mac os X expose` but i wasn't aware any linux window managers had equivalent functionality... i still just use e16 and turn on extra virtual desktops. i'm a 1990's holdout :-/ sorry |
| 09:56.41 | gnarface | Leoneof: can you link the bug again? |
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| 09:56.48 | leetone | gnarface, by the way, how stable is Sid (unstable) for you? |
| 09:56.58 | pbn | gnarface: ah ok :) |
| 09:57.07 | pbn | okay I(m gonna ask in #kde ;) |
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| 09:57.26 | Leoneof | gnarface: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/15345 |
| 09:57.29 | wrksx | hi all, what is the md command ? |
| 09:57.34 | wrksx | does it exists ? |
| 09:57.38 | gnarface | leetone: stable as a table for me on amd64, with the exception of any version of wine (debian or otherwise) because wine blows |
| 09:57.43 | wrksx | (exist) |
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| 09:58.43 | leetone | as I see, there's no unstable ISO builds with GNOME? |
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| 09:59.02 | leetone | gnarface, you run mixed system with testing? |
| 09:59.28 | gnarface | Leoneof: lemme get this right... you're asking about an obscure, unverified bug that etch had 5 years ago and you're asking if squeeze still has it? you must be joking, surely. |
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| 10:01.08 | Leoneof | gnarface: we will see the result, i will use external dvd-rom. |
| 10:01.12 | gnarface | leetone: i've *always* just installed a stable base system then upgraded to unstable. i've never had any luck getting testing or unstable isos to work for me at all, and i have never (purposefully) run a "mixed system" as you say (though i do know that if you do so it also tends to hose shit) |
| 10:01.34 | leetone | gnarface, thanks |
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| 10:02.00 | gnarface | leetone: np |
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| 10:02.38 | wrksx | does anyone know about a good and gui Hex Editor ? |
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| 10:02.54 | wrksx | available for debian |
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| 10:03.19 | gnarface | wrksx: get ready for it... (maybe you can guess already) ... and drumroll.... hexedit |
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| 10:03.54 | wrksx | gnarface, ok thanks a lot, search for hexadecimal editor and didn't found a thing ! |
| 10:03.59 | prem | hi all .,will debian support LG E 2040T LED monitors..? |
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| 10:04.19 | solidrock | what debian version @prem |
| 10:04.30 | gnarface | wrksx: i think it may still be a terminal-only program but you shouldn't have any problems with it if you read the instructions. if you're editing hex i'm sure you're capable of reading instructions |
| 10:04.31 | prem | solidrock, latest squeeze |
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| 10:04.56 | wrksx | gnarface, no time for these shit I need gui to achieve that in the blink of an eye |
| 10:05.14 | wrksx | found ghex, that might be ok |
| 10:05.21 | wrksx | gonna try that =) |
| 10:05.28 | gnarface | wrksx: when it backfires don't say i didn't warn you.... |
| 10:05.43 | wrksx | backfires ? |
| 10:05.47 | wrksx | what dya mean? |
| 10:06.05 | solidrock | i think it will support @prem |
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| 10:06.24 | gnarface | wrksx: omg you're wasting time!!!! i've already blinked twice!!! in another 30 seconds you could have done this faster by reading the hexedit instructions |
| 10:06.53 | wrksx | fuck you |
| 10:07.16 | gnarface | wrksx: maybe i should be a little less obtuse... what i mean to say is that the instructions are not the huge burden you think they are. |
| 10:07.58 | wrksx | I know how to use an hex editor, i said I need GUI so I need it that's all. |
| 10:08.10 | gnarface | wrksx: its a crutch |
| 10:08.22 | wrksx | whaterver you want |
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| 10:08.44 | RichiH | khexedit existed with kde 3.5.10, no idea about 4.x |
| 10:08.54 | RichiH | and gvim can do it |
| 10:09.25 | RichiH | wrksx: seeing as we are helping you on our own free will and in our free time, being nice to us would be a good plan, btw |
| 10:10.02 | project2501a | why is ntp in 32-bit mode? |
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| 10:10.12 | wrksx | am I beeing bad toward you RichiH ? |
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| 10:10.38 | wrksx | this guy was trying to push me to the shell hex editor |
| 10:10.40 | gnarface | wrksx: did it ever occur to you that learning a complex graphical program by trial-and-error might actually NOT be faster than reading a short manpage for a simple terminal program? or is it just that you don't realize you can launch terminal programs without exiting KDE/Gnome? |
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| 10:11.11 | project2501a | gnarface: His Noodliness forbid anybody read the damn manual. |
| 10:11.19 | wrksx | gnarface, do you UNDERSTAND I ALREADY DELETE the hex editor since i'm done with it ? |
| 10:11.20 | gnarface | wrksx: did it further occur to you that i was trying to help you by "pushing you" to the best for your own purposes option? |
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| 10:11.49 | project2501a | right #d drama |
| 10:11.53 | wrksx | gnarface, thank you very much, 1 had a byte to change, didn't need for killer features |
| 10:12.07 | gnarface | wrksx: *sigh*. literacy is your friend, hacker. i wash my hands from your self destruction |
| 10:12.21 | wrksx | thank s for your time gnarface and let me rest in peace |
| 10:12.36 | project2501a | dust to dust |
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| 10:14.10 | gnarface | sighs |
| 10:14.56 | gnarface | bugs me when i see kids who fancy themselves coders/hackers spending all day long trying to find a way to do it with a mouse when they could just read a man page for 5 minutes |
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| 10:15.21 | gnarface | god help em if they might actually have to read some text to work with text |
| 10:15.30 | project2501a | Ubuntards :( |
| 10:15.41 | Zao | GNU/Linuxers :D |
| 10:16.11 | Zao | gnarface: I'm saddened when I end up having to read man-pages outside of the BSDs. They're not quite as awesome. |
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| 10:16.32 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 10:16.48 | lenswipe | where can i download the proprietary dropbox daemon? |
| 10:17.09 | project2501a | hey, i am trying to connect to a switch via a serial interface. which program should i use? |
| 10:17.15 | gnarface | Zao: i'm with ya. debian has been getting better but once upon a time man pages were actually used for what they're for |
| 10:17.34 | project2501a | debian has been getting better? |
| 10:17.48 | lenswipe | i have the dropbox installer for linux which downloads the proprietary daemon using dropbox start -i, except it doesnt work because im at college and they have stupid firewall rules that block anything except outbound HTTP |
| 10:17.52 | lenswipe | can someone help> |
| 10:17.54 | lenswipe | ?* |
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| 10:18.06 | gnarface | project2501a: i've observed that a lot more programs that didn't include man pages from upstream get one when they get packaged with debian. its not always a great man page but its better than nothing |
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| 10:18.42 | project2501a | gnarface: oh, too true :D |
| 10:18.57 | gnarface | project2501a: the only thing i've ever done with a serial interface was once use a mouse on it. just out of curiosity what do you mean by "switch via"... you connecting a tty to it or a network ? |
| 10:19.00 | project2501a | we are doing a lot of that work on debian-med |
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| 10:19.44 | project2501a | gnarface: i apologize, i was inconcice |
| 10:19.50 | Bushmills | project2501a: screen, minicom, picocom |
| 10:19.52 | project2501a | yes, i am connecting to a ttyl |
| 10:20.02 | project2501a | i missed the bbs era on linux |
| 10:20.08 | project2501a | or unix |
| 10:20.12 | project2501a | i was on windows back then |
| 10:20.23 | project2501a | for that, i apologize , as well |
| 10:20.32 | gnarface | project2501a: me too. i kinda wish i knew how to actually use serial ports well. these days i mostly just disable them in the bios because it dramatically reduces IO latency |
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| 10:21.29 | gnarface | or at least used to in the 2.4 kernels... since then its just been habit (and you free up an irq or two) |
| 10:21.38 | Miesco | Is there any good ncurses file managers with two fs views? |
| 10:22.02 | Bushmills | Miesco, mc |
| 10:22.12 | gnarface | uses emacs for that |
| 10:22.47 | Miesco | Bushmills: mc? Okay i'll give it another try |
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| 10:23.00 | gnarface | mc as in midnight commander? that's still around? |
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| 10:23.07 | Bushmills | "another"? |
| 10:23.14 | Bushmills | yes. still there |
| 10:23.19 | gnarface | amazing |
| 10:23.20 | Miesco | Bushmills: I just tried it, but have to use the arrows |
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| 10:23.47 | Bushmills | and? |
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| 10:24.16 | Miesco | I dont like using the arrows |
| 10:24.21 | sterna | hi, i have a problem with cciss i/o on lenny and squeeze |
| 10:24.23 | gnarface | emacs doesn't have that problem... |
| 10:24.26 | sterna | under heavy i/o |
| 10:24.39 | Miesco | gnarface: Well i'm a vim user see |
| 10:24.42 | sterna | the machine just quits flushing to disks |
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| 10:25.07 | sterna | kernel starts listing tasks that were blocked for 120 secnds and more and that's it |
| 10:25.13 | gnarface | Miesco: there's no vim equivalent? |
| 10:25.31 | Miesco | gnarface: I'm searching for that |
| 10:25.31 | sterna | stuff that was cached before the lockup still works, so it's definitely a disk i/o problem |
| 10:25.38 | gnarface | Miesco: you'd have to google it but i believe you can run vim in emacs now.... |
| 10:25.39 | Bushmills | Miesco, use tmux, split screen into right and left pane. |
| 10:25.46 | Bushmills | run ls on either side |
| 10:26.00 | gnarface | just opens more terminals |
| 10:26.05 | sterna | this happens on all machines, and they all have the hp smart array p410 |
| 10:26.29 | Miesco | gnarface: I know but I want to examine one dir and copy to another |
| 10:26.46 | gnarface | Miesco: isn't that what window managers are for? |
| 10:27.01 | Miesco | gnarface: no |
| 10:27.01 | gnarface | putting terminals side-by-side? |
| 10:27.06 | gnarface | that's what i thought they were for |
| 10:27.13 | Miesco | gnarface: You can't do that with two termiansl |
| 10:27.25 | Miesco | gnarface: Well you can but not easily |
| 10:27.39 | gnarface | "easily" is pretty subjective here. cp is pretty f-ing easy |
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| 10:27.49 | gnarface | ymmv |
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| 10:28.25 | Miesco | gnarface: I have been doing this |
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| 10:28.27 | Bushmills | vifm maybe |
| 10:28.38 | Bushmills | vifm - a ncurses based file manager with vi like keybindings |
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| 10:29.41 | gnarface | Miesco: if that doesn't work, i'm pretty sure emacs has a module that you can use to bind vim controls in ;) |
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| 10:30.51 | Bushmills | btw, mc accepts ctrl-n and ctrl-p instead of arrow down and up |
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| 10:31.31 | gnarface | Bushmills: sssh... those are the emacs bindings. vim uses j and k (no ctrl) |
| 10:32.11 | Bushmills | he should be able to customize them |
| 10:32.19 | gnarface | god forbid anyone have to use the ctrl key |
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| 10:32.29 | gnarface | or two keys at once for that matter |
| 10:32.38 | gnarface | sorry that wasn't helpful |
| 10:32.40 | gnarface | i'll stop |
| 10:33.18 | gnarface | i actually abhor file managers. i love gnu fileutils |
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| 10:33.43 | Iridos | vi philosophy has a certain appeal... |
| 10:33.51 | gnarface | to me a window manager is for opening more terminals so you don't *need* a file manager |
| 10:33.55 | Iridos | .oO( ctrl-alt-delete ) |
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| 10:39.09 | gnarface | later all |
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| 11:02.37 | juniorsa | Hi, I am using squid and dansguarding and am trying to get some nice graphs to support our acceptable use policy at work, I need to show users online time, and sites they visit. Particularly if we can classify sites into personal/business, is there any reporting program that can help with this? I have downloaded and installed sarg, but it shows too much info (sites) I need something that can be shown to a manager if possible. |
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| 11:04.38 | emacsenlee | can i install debian on a usd thumb using from a usb live stick |
| 11:05.01 | blackshirt | emacsenlee: i think we can do it |
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| 11:05.47 | emacsenlee | and do i need to install grub on that usb thumb |
| 11:07.06 | blackshirt | emacsenlee: i no have experiences with that,,,maybe others can help |
| 11:07.56 | onoez_omg | i got some problem starting mysqld and i tried to fix it by myself and i still can't figure out whats going on: http://pastebin.me/5201856c0083c61e67f40bd1990a7085 |
| 11:08.04 | emacsenlee | thanks anyway |
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| 11:13.43 | Miesco_ | How would you add scripts to vim-addons |
| 11:13.53 | Miesco_ | I tried editing the registery and got errors |
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| 11:14.03 | Miesco_ | What do you guys do to add new scripts? |
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| 11:16.32 | juniorsa | Hi, I am using squid and dansguarding and am trying to get some nice graphs to support our acceptable use policy at work, I need to show users online time, and sites they visit. Particularly if we can classify sites into personal/business, is there any reporting program that can help with this? I have downloaded and installed sarg, but it shows too much info (sites) I need something that can be shown to a manager if possible. |
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| 11:17.34 | dlyneslaptop | I've upgraded to squeeze now, but for whatever reason startecks (ecks key doesn't work) says it can't find a screen |
| 11:17.47 | dlyneslaptop | Has anyone else ecksperienced this problem? |
| 11:17.57 | dlyneslaptop | fwiw, the ecksorg.conf file looks normal |
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| 11:20.36 | hazaza | dlyneslaptop, check logs, if any, or try strace |
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| 11:23.39 | mah454 | How i can make dynamically storage file ? |
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| 11:27.01 | abrotman | huh? |
| 11:27.16 | mah454 | How i can make dynamically storage Virtual filesystem ? |
| 11:28.39 | abrotman | !lvm |
| 11:28.39 | dpkg | [lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:28.48 | abrotman | doesn't understand the question .. will start saying random stuff |
| 11:29.01 | tolle | Yeah I dont get what he really wants to do. |
| 11:29.07 | tolle | Use a file as a filesystem or? |
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| 11:39.15 | blackshirt | hello |
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| 11:41.50 | dlyneswork | blackshirt, speak |
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| 11:42.43 | Miesco_ | Is there a vim repository that uses vim-addons? |
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| 11:44.09 | blackshirt | dlyneswork: yea, i'm newbie here |
| 11:44.33 | abrotman | dlyneswork: wtf |
| 11:44.55 | blackshirt | :( |
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| 11:45.14 | abrotman | blackshirt: you didn't do anything wrong |
| 11:45.52 | dlyneswork | abrotman, ? I was just suggesting he should ask his question |
| 11:46.03 | blackshirt | abrotman: thanks you |
| 11:46.04 | abrotman | how do you know he has one at all? don't harass people |
| 11:46.14 | abrotman | some people just come here to watch and learn |
| 11:46.25 | dlyneswork | I wouldn't consider one line as being harassment |
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| 11:47.11 | blackshirt | abrotman: i have one question,can we implement "active directory system" with opensource tools on debian linux |
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| 11:48.00 | abrotman | blackshirt: i haven't tried this, but AIUI, yes ... you can approximate that system with a mixture of ldap and samba and a few other things |
| 11:48.03 | tolle | ldap? |
| 11:48.20 | Miesco_ | I only get two vim addons in the repository? |
| 11:48.35 | tolle | AD is pretty much ldap+kerberos and stuff |
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| 11:49.39 | blackshirt | abrotman: i think like that too, but we know, samba (samba 3 in stable repo) is not ready or capable for that |
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| 11:49.57 | abrotman | judd: versions samba |
| 11:49.58 | judd | Package samba on i386 -- lenny: 2:3.2.5-4lenny13; lenny-security: 2:3.2.5-4lenny14; lenny-backports: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3; squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze2; wheezy: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-5; sid: 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1 |
| 11:50.15 | blackshirt | tolle: can you help me ? |
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| 11:50.42 | abrotman | blackshirt: no, but you could compile samba4 if that's what you really need .. it's not super hard |
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| 11:51.23 | blackshirt | abrotman: i think, samba4 is not ready for production |
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| 11:51.30 | abrotman | i haven't tried it |
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| 11:52.13 | blackshirt | abrotman: samba4 still on sid repo |
| 11:52.25 | abrotman | judd: versions samba4 |
| 11:52.27 | judd | Package samba4 on i386 -- sid: 4.0.0~alpha14~bzr13684.dfsg1-1; experimental: 4.0.0~alpha15~git20110224.dfsg1-2 |
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| 11:52.38 | abrotman | you can backport if you want to try it |
| 11:55.15 | tolle | blackshirt: I've never really done it. |
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| 11:56.36 | themill | nice little bzr to git conversion too.... |
| 11:56.39 | blackshirt | hmm..maybe waiting for ready |
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| 12:04.02 | yeled | anyone know if i can still use lenny netinst images? |
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| 12:05.57 | yeled | does d-i use 'stable' or 'lenny' internally |
| 12:06.23 | blackshirt | yeled: i don't know about that.. |
| 12:06.48 | tolle | yeled: you could just change the sources list during the install? |
| 12:07.03 | yeled | tolle, hmmm |
| 12:07.25 | yeled | afaik the installer uses codenames |
| 12:07.33 | yeled | so maybe it will just work |
| 12:07.33 | verac | i have a fingerprint reader on my laptop. is there any complete packages in debian so that i can use it? i seem to come up short |
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| 12:07.44 | yeled | wanders away to machine room |
| 12:08.11 | yeled | ah no here http://serverfault.com/questions/237819/debian-installer-how-to-preseed-a-lenny-oldstable-installation |
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| 12:08.53 | verac | found this http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_enable_the_fingerprint_reader#Make_xscreensaver_use_the_scanner but it's rather long. i'm hoping for something easier |
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| 12:10.36 | abrotman | yeled: it uses 'squeeze' |
| 12:10.48 | abrotman | yeled: you can get lenny, you should use squeeze |
| 12:10.53 | yeled | abrotman, even if i use an older lenny netinst iso? |
| 12:10.56 | gnugr | !a link for conky text |
| 12:11.18 | abrotman | yeled: it should use 'lenny' |
| 12:11.32 | yeled | abrotman, ok thanks. ill come back in 30 and let you know :) |
| 12:11.35 | yeled | & |
| 12:12.08 | gnugr | !conky text |
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| 12:12.22 | abrotman | gnugr: what are you looking for? |
| 12:12.37 | gnugr | conky text |
| 12:12.56 | tolle | i.e. conky-cli ? |
| 12:12.58 | abrotman | what is 'conky text' ? |
| 12:13.06 | abrotman | gnugr: aptitude search conky ? |
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| 12:13.18 | gnugr | conky scrips |
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| 12:14.39 | gnugr | default conky from synaptic to poor |
| 12:14.47 | gnugr | toooooooo* |
| 12:14.58 | abrotman | gnugr: try speaking in english |
| 12:15.25 | gnugr | ĆĀ±ĆĀ½ĆĀĆĀµ ĆĀĆĀµ ĆĀŗĆĀ±ĆĀ¹ ĆĀ³ĆĀ±ĆĀĆĀĆĀĆĀ±ĆĀ»ĆĀ»ĆĀæ |
| 12:15.39 | Miesco_ | How do I set my time from a timeserver? |
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| 12:15.55 | abrotman | gnugr: not funny |
| 12:16.06 | abrotman | !tell Miesco_ about set the time |
| 12:16.09 | abrotman | !tell Miesco_ about ntp |
| 12:16.18 | yeled | abrotman, yes it uses lenny - but then grub fucks up like the url i posted above says it does. |
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| 12:16.25 | themill | dpkg: tell gnugr about gr |
| 12:16.49 | abrotman | i don't see why grub would care if it's stable or oldstable or lenny or squeeze |
| 12:16.57 | yeled | me either |
| 12:17.00 | Bushmills | Miesco, rdate, ntpdate, ntp or script something from telnet server 13 |
| 12:17.07 | gnugr | !tell gnugr_about conky scripts |
| 12:17.40 | abrotman | Bushmills: 123 ? |
| 12:18.13 | themill | gnugr: sending random things to the bot that it doesn't know about is not going to help. "/msg dpkg bot help" also "/msg dpkg msg the bot" |
| 12:18.37 | Bushmills | abrotman: 13 . daytime |
| 12:18.50 | abrotman | oh, thought oyu meant 123 |
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| 12:21.05 | Bushmills | nah, 123 was covered with ntp and ntpdate already |
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| 12:26.35 | gnugr | i got infos from #ubuntu thanx for nothing |
| 12:27.15 | petemc | np |
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| 12:30.03 | themill | gnugr: that's an impressive effort, given that you didn't even ask a question there. Well done on your exceptionally good ESP. Have a nice day. |
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| 12:32.42 | geekie | Hai, I have a script that I'm supposed to config and then it says "if no group is specified, the primary GID for that user is used" |
| 12:32.49 | geekie | So how do I see the primary GID for a suer in debian? |
| 12:33.27 | geekie | never mind, found it |
| 12:35.04 | wolfric | I'm having a problem... I downloaded a live standard iso for debian to try recover some files off my laptop. I booted up, and mounted my usb external hard drive (ntfs) in rw mode but every time i try to create a file it says permission denied. I installed xfce then last night and whatever way that automounted it, i was able to write to it just fine could anyone give me a hand? |
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| 12:36.02 | wolfric | I'm root as i do this, the mount point is drwx for root and belongs to root as well as everything inside |
| 12:36.46 | blip2 | wolfric: how are you mounting it? |
| 12:37.44 | vtts | wolfric, install "ntfs-3g" and use it when mounting rw |
| 12:38.14 | wolfric | blip2: mount -w /dev/sdb2 /mnt/usbdisk |
| 12:38.32 | vtts | e.g. mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb2 /mnt/usbdisk |
| 12:38.45 | wolfric | vtts: is there anyway to get around that? For some reason today, when i go apt-get anything it gets stuck at waiting for headers but the internet is working fine. i can wget google.ie etc |
| 12:39.20 | wolfric | Unfortunately it froze sometime last night while i was copying everything and obviously when i restarted, being a live cd.. |
| 12:39.36 | wolfric | but it was updating and everything fine last night |
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| 12:41.37 | vtts | wolfric, your ntfs might need checking if it was unmounted not properly (i.e. the system froze) |
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| 12:41.54 | vtts | try attaching it to a windows system and perform a check |
| 12:42.02 | wolfric | yeah i've already ran a chkdsk in windows and attempted to fix it. Nothing was wrong |
| 12:42.19 | vtts | usualy mount complains about that |
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| 12:44.41 | yeled | abrotman, it dies anyway with the serverfault.com preseed config http://94.228.68.189/syslog (see bottom) |
| 12:44.50 | yeled | WARNING **: Configuring 'grub-installer' failed with error code 1 |
| 12:45.14 | yeled | ill try another box |
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| 12:46.24 | anddam | are there packages with lxde themes or should I get them by hand? |
| 12:47.20 | wolfric | vtts: that's that worked a treat |
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| 12:50.52 | abrotman | yeled: is this a USB installer? |
| 12:51.00 | yeled | cdrom with netinst |
| 12:51.03 | yeled | lenny cdrom |
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| 12:52.02 | abrotman | yeled: that seems like a totally different problem .. and remind me again .. why lenny? |
| 12:52.19 | yeled | because i havent gotten around to testing squeeze for my deployment yet |
| 12:52.20 | Craigwd_2000 | I need support: i.e.: drivers & fingerprint login software for Linux for my PC laptop too: last time I checked Lenny was GNOME based. Can somebody please recommend a Squeeze or Testing compatible fingerprint based KDE 4 add-on that works with Debian assuming I actually decide to install it...? Either that or one for LXDE or FluxBox would be great... |
| 12:53.06 | yeled | ill try another machine abrotman and come back again |
| 12:53.15 | yeled | another machine with a different controller |
| 12:53.20 | abrotman | yeled: seems weird it's complaining about the target |
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| 12:54.02 | yeled | abrotman, where do you see that |
| 12:54.38 | abrotman | oh wait .. misread |
| 12:54.43 | yeled | k |
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| 12:55.07 | abrotman | but the CD disappears? |
| 12:55.23 | Craigwd_2000 | I really do prefer KDE or FluxBox to GNOME but I've been hearing so much great stuff about LXDE that I'd be willing to try it too: my other requirements are it must be AMD64 & support Xen... |
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| 12:55.46 | yeled | abrotman, yes i see that. ill go back to the machine and see whats up |
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| 12:57.17 | geekie | I found different versions of a init.d script to start up a node.js server but they all include [ $UID -eq "0" ] |
| 12:57.20 | geekie | and that causes this: |
| 12:57.20 | geekie | [: 31: -eq: unexpected operator |
| 12:57.33 | geekie | IS this something that has to do with debian squeeze because they say it's debian init.d scripts |
| 12:57.37 | geekie | I don't get it :'( |
| 12:59.00 | Craigwd_2000 | Weird; my laptop's SATA LG/HG-ST-SS GT-20L that I flashed to an AutoReset RPC-II Firmware has had similar issues due to a bug in udev on AMD64 Fedora Core 14... What's even weirder: my PC won't boot off of certain Linux Install CDs/DVDs: probably it's because I have a SATA LG DVD-RAM drive too... |
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| 12:59.28 | abrotman | geekie: on squeeze? might be a bash-ism and you're using dash? if you chagne the top from /bin/sh to /bin/bash .. does it work ? |
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| 13:02.12 | geekie | abrotman: how do I do that? |
| 13:02.19 | geekie | oh found it lol |
| 13:02.24 | abrotman | with an editor? |
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| 13:06.08 | geekie | abrotman: yeah I changed it and it doesn't give the error anymore |
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| 13:06.19 | geekie | but when I do "status" I get that it's not running xD |
| 13:06.42 | abrotman | if you're using a script not made for debian, probably all sorts of programming errors |
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| 13:08.19 | geekie | abrotman: it's made for debian |
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| 13:10.05 | abrotman | just not for squeeze? |
| 13:10.29 | geekie | No, since it's from 2010 I guess it may be done for Lenny |
| 13:10.40 | tolle | Running random scripts is not a awesome idea if your not sure what they do. |
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| 13:12.30 | dlyneswork | any idea which kernel module I should be using on 2.6.32 for an Intel 945GM video chipset? |
| 13:13.00 | geekie | tolle: I'm sure what it does, it's a node.js start/stop/restart script |
| 13:13.14 | dlyneswork | fwiw, I have a choice of i810, i830, i910 |
| 13:13.17 | geekie | I'm not 100% sure on the implementation how to make my own but I can read it and udnerstand a fair bit of WHAT it does |
| 13:13.44 | geekie | But I'm no bash guru but apparently you need to be one to make something autostart on debian :[ |
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| 13:14.23 | dlyneswork | geekie, not really....just add a line to the end of /etc/rc.local (just before the 'exit 0' line |
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| 13:15.18 | dlyneswork | geekie, it won't be the 'proper' way of doing things, but it'll work |
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| 13:15.50 | dlyneswork | geekie, the proper way of doing things is to use init scripts so you have control over what scripts have priorities over others in the whole startup sequence |
| 13:16.23 | dlyneswork | geekie, but, if you don't care, /etc/rc.local is usually the last script to get run at startup |
| 13:16.43 | tolle | geekie: To just make it autostart? no. |
| 13:17.04 | tolle | just add it to rc.local, doesnt shut down the clean way on shutdown but it autostarts for sure. |
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| 13:17.36 | geekie | But, I need it to also start if it crashes, thus I want to make a daemon and use it with monit but meh |
| 13:17.39 | geekie | :[ |
| 13:17.54 | Leoneof | hello |
| 13:17.56 | Leoneof | :) |
| 13:18.14 | dlyneswork | geekie, crontab will allow you to do that..do a check every 5 minutes to see if it's running...if it's not, start it back up again |
| 13:18.22 | tolle | Or just loop it |
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| 13:18.56 | tolle | while true; do its on like donkeykong; done |
| 13:18.58 | dlyneswork | tolle, you can't loop rc.local...it must exit, but he can call a script from rc.local that backgrounds itself and loops |
| 13:19.06 | tolle | yeah, thats what I ment |
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| 13:20.40 | dlyneswork | geekie, fwiw, there's a relatively inexpensive book for bash called 'Learning the Bash Shell', by O'Reilly |
| 13:20.47 | Leoneof | installed Debian 6 :) |
| 13:20.58 | dlyneswork | geekie, it's well worth the few dollars, and you'll get more mileage out of it than the man page |
| 13:22.17 | strigoi66 | vt596_smbus 0000:00:07.4: SMBUS: Error: Host SMBus controller not enabled! - upgrade BIOS or use force=1 Can anyone help with this error upon boot? |
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| 13:22.45 | dlyneswork | strigoi66, enable your smbus in your bios? |
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| 13:23.08 | strigoi66 | dlyneswork: there is no option to enable in bios! |
| 13:23.11 | Leoneof | hey Gnarfoz :) |
| 13:23.11 | dlyneswork | strigoi66, smbus is typically used for monitoring cpu temperature and what-not...make sure you have that kind of thing enabled in your bios |
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| 13:23.31 | dlyneswork | strigoi66, you might not have an 'enable smbus', per se in your bios |
| 13:24.01 | strigoi66 | dlyneswork: that is the prob, its rather outdated hardware pre2000 |
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| 13:24.30 | jww | can somebody help me with that fiber channel problem please ? I've setuped my card ( Qlogic 2XXX ) but all I can see with lsscsi are my cdrom and some 'hp enclosure'.I miss the NAS hard drive. |
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| 13:25.02 | Iridos | geekie, was your original question answered? the error is the result of $UID being empty - which is the case in dash, as abrotman pointed out (you can test this - enter "echo $UID" in a regular bash shell and then start "dash" and type "echo $UID" again... |
| 13:25.16 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 13:25.31 | geekie | Iridos: ah, thanks |
| 13:25.41 | Iridos | abrotman, I was too lazy to read _all_ replies :) |
| 13:25.55 | abrotman | hehe |
| 13:26.06 | Iridos | abrotman, anyway, I still don't see where you say that |
| 13:26.13 | Iridos | but whatever |
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| 13:26.41 | geekie | abrotman answered in a different way, saying something about dash and change the top from /bin/sh to /bin/bash |
| 13:26.49 | wolfric | are there any guides or documentation on slimming down debian? Obviously to start off with, i've installed with without any of the package lists from the likes of tasksel (such as desktop enviroment or standard system). |
| 13:26.50 | abrotman | i just said it was likely a bash-ism .. and to change the shebang |
| 13:26.50 | geekie | But now you made me understand why :) |
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| 13:31.47 | openstandards | hi i'm experiencing a problem with openldap on squeeze, the error i'm getting is "ldap_add: Naming violation (64) |
| 13:31.51 | openstandards | " |
| 13:32.35 | openstandards | i'll do a pastebin of db.ldif if anyone can help that would be nice and i would be very grateful |
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| 13:33.18 | openstandards | http://pastebin.com/XH3XVSgw |
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| 13:34.02 | plm | Hi all |
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| 13:34.26 | blackshirt | hi |
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| 13:34.55 | plm | people, I have this "ALL: ALL" in hosts.deny but people still to connect via ftp.. and in hosts.allow proftpd is not open. why is wrong? |
| 13:35.06 | themill | openstandards: #openldap might have more idea about this cn=config stuff. No-one else seems to understand it, that's for sure. |
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| 13:35.44 | openstandards | themill: thanks i'll check with those guys now |
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| 13:36.35 | erAbuelo | buenas tardes |
| 13:36.36 | pipeline | openstandards: openldap is terrible btw |
| 13:36.58 | pipeline | openstandards: now that a free and open source fork of netscape DS exists (fedora DS aka 389 DS) |
| 13:37.10 | pipeline | openstandards: there is no reason to prefer openldap under basically any circumstance |
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| 13:37.51 | openstandards | fedorads is what centos & rhel use isn't it? |
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| 13:38.02 | pipeline | openstandards: RHEL comes with a commercial version, RHDS |
| 13:38.09 | plm | anyone know? |
| 13:38.23 | DammitJim | what network manager (including wifi) do you guys recommend? |
| 13:38.40 | blackshirt | openstandards: |
| 13:38.43 | pipeline | openstandards: FDS/389DS is a fork of Netscape 5.1's directory server... Sun/Oracle still sell versions 5.2/5.3. |
| 13:38.54 | pipeline | openstandards: Netscape DS was for many years *THE* ldap implementation. |
| 13:39.18 | pipeline | openstandards: there was good reason for this... if you need to handle a million plus accounts, and you want to run tens of thousands of queries a second, I don't know that there's really any other choice :) |
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| 13:39.39 | pipeline | openstandards: at any rate it's no harder to set up than OpenLDAP, and it's a nicer product all around. I highly recommend it. Unfortunately debian doesn't package it at the moment. |
| 13:39.54 | openstandards | ok i'll purge my ldap install |
| 13:40.02 | openstandards | damn ok thats annoying |
| 13:40.39 | blackshirt | openstandards: i have been previously setup openldap on debian, it was working very well |
| 13:40.43 | jelly | pipeline: hm, can it really handle 10k/s queries? |
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| 13:41.47 | themill | dpkg: tell DammitJim about wireless connection managers |
| 13:41.48 | pipeline | jelly: if you have enough RAM, yes |
| 13:41.52 | jelly | pipeline: that would make it... useful for my account sharing purposes across services |
| 13:41.57 | openstandards | blackshirt: thanks, i'm pretty new to this ldap stuff to be fair |
| 13:42.24 | openstandards | jelly: thats what i intend on using ldap for |
| 13:42.30 | pipeline | jelly: it also supports halfway reasonable multimaster... and if you can control the nature of your LDAP clients, you can actually use master=>slave w/ referrals for writes, which would be my preferred config given the choice... (I've always been forced into multimaster by stupid, stupid ldap clients.) |
| 13:42.42 | jelly | pipeline: currently we dump all the account data to flat or hash files across a number of services, all with subtly different auth ;-) |
| 13:42.47 | jelly | s/all/each/ |
| 13:42.50 | blackshirt | openstandards: it was on stable repos for a long time..i think no doubt for it |
| 13:42.58 | DammitJim | thanks themill... what is the alternative to not using a network manager? |
| 13:43.03 | pipeline | jelly: sheesh you poor bastard |
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| 13:43.14 | jelly | hey, */5 cron jobs rule ;-) |
| 13:43.41 | pipeline | jelly: 389 DS is awesome. It smells and tastes exactly like snoracle/netscape, but it's non-proprietary. Best of both worlds. |
| 13:43.42 | themill | DammitJim: you can do it all from the command line or from /etc/network/interfaces if you like. I used to do that... but I can't be bothered these days and just use network-manager. |
| 13:44.13 | pipeline | jelly: sometimes I think LDAP gets a bad rap because people are mostly familiar with AD and OpenLDAP... AD has great/effortless multimaster, but it's so, so, so slow that not even microsoft recommends it for heavy transaction loads. As for OpenLDAP... the less said, the better, I guess. |
| 13:44.14 | DammitJim | lol @ themill... I'd like to do it on the command line... just haven't found a good place to learn about it (especially when you have WPA security) |
| 13:44.20 | jelly | pipeline: also: cheap and possible to deploy without outsaucing to a $$$ vendor |
| 13:44.54 | themill | dpkg: tell DammitJim about wifi |
| 13:45.00 | themill | DammitJim: the wiki has a good overview |
| 13:45.11 | pipeline | jelly: yeah -- RHDS is insanely expensive on a total cost basis. AD is cheap per-node, but you'll need SO MANY nodes, and it's not intended for high load use... Sun DS ain't cheap, it's modestly less expensive than RHDS. |
| 13:45.29 | DammitJim | debian wiki? |
| 13:45.31 | pipeline | jelly: the proprietary options suck. It's a good day to be alive, when FOSS is the best-in-class product :) |
| 13:45.42 | DammitJim | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian? |
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| 13:46.20 | themill | DammitJim: have a read of the message that the dpkg bot sent you. |
| 13:46.26 | jelly | it'd be nice to get something packaged in Debian that's stable compared to slapd |
| 13:46.28 | dvs | DammitJim: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 13:46.42 | DammitJim | thanks dvs... I'll start reading |
| 13:47.03 | DammitJim | last question... is it the same "issue" for stereo bluetooth? |
| 13:47.05 | leetone | how often debian testing gets broken? :) |
| 13:47.29 | dvs | leetone: depends what you mean by "broken" |
| 13:47.39 | DammitJim | dpkg: tell DammitJim about apt |
| 13:47.53 | jelly | pipeline: there's a team in forming it seems http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Debian389DSPackaging |
| 13:47.56 | leetone | dvs: xorg crashing, kernel panic |
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| 13:48.23 | dvs | leetone: Then it rare because it usually gets caught in sid |
| 13:48.53 | leetone | ok, thanks, just thinking about migrating from stable to testing/sid, because using a lot of packages from testing |
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| 13:51.20 | raz | can I somewhere see the DSA's by package name? |
| 13:51.52 | jelly | dpkg, tell raz about tracker of doom |
| 13:51.53 | themill | !tracker of doom |
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| 13:52.08 | jelly | !win me |
| 13:52.08 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 13:52.27 | pipeline | jelly: well I'll be damned... that's great |
| 13:52.41 | raz | jelly: hm, i must be blind.. where do I see all DSA's for, e.g. exim? |
| 13:52.56 | jelly | raz: the source package might be called exim4 |
| 13:53.11 | raz | aah got it |
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| 13:53.46 | plm | youknow why debian are accepting ftp connection from external if my hosts.deny is ALL:ALL? |
| 13:54.07 | pipeline | plm: perhaps your ftp daemon doesn't support tcpwrappers |
| 13:54.15 | plm | pipeline: humm... |
| 13:54.22 | plm | pipeline: thanks.. |
| 13:54.34 | themill | or alternatively you've configured it to allow connections in hosts.allow |
| 13:54.55 | jelly | plm: or perhaps you thne go and allow some stuff for the "ftp" service |
| 13:55.44 | plm | jelly: no, in hosts.allow I have just: sshd: xxx.xx. and redir: ALL |
| 13:55.53 | jelly | also it would be more correct to write "dpkg, tell foo about THE tracker of doom" |
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| 13:56.34 | jelly | plm: which ftp service? |
| 13:56.41 | plm | jelly: proftpd |
| 13:58.33 | openstandards | jelly: what are you trying to do? |
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| 13:59.53 | jelly | openstandards: nothing much here in the channel, you? |
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| 14:00.21 | openstandards | i mean with proftpd, sorry should of said |
| 14:00.26 | jelly | that's plm |
| 14:00.42 | openstandards | ahh sorry |
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| 14:01.13 | fesafder | hello i am using mdadm for raid how do i check the parity of each block are ok . i want to detect if my data is in danger |
| 14:01.54 | DammitJim | dpkg: tell DammitJim about bluetooth |
| 14:02.08 | dvs | DammitJim: /msg dpkg bluetooth |
| 14:02.20 | DammitJim | oh |
| 14:02.58 | xyzp | when i update vlc in the consol it want to delete Flash before, why? |
| 14:03.07 | fesafder | or has be tempered in one of the drive . or should i expect mdadm to correct the data if does not match the parity checks ? |
| 14:04.14 | jelly | fesafder: look at /usr/share/mdadm/checkarray script |
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| 14:07.56 | Leoneof | oh my eyes, how to make fonts very clear? everything is like blurry |
| 14:08.02 | pbn | Hi, in Debian 6.0, in what package can I find s2disk ? |
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| 14:08.51 | jelly | pbn: uswsusp was too buggy to be included in Debian 6.0 |
| 14:09.10 | jelly | ,versions uswsusp |
| 14:09.13 | judd | Package uswsusp on i386 -- lenny: 0.7-1.2; sid: 1.0-1 |
| 14:09.20 | pbn | jelly: ah thank you... Yes I can confirg you uswusp had "issues" :) |
| 14:09.24 | jelly | ,why is uswsusp not in testing |
| 14:09.30 | jelly | !why is uswsusp not in testing |
| 14:09.30 | dpkg | uswsusp is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=uswsusp |
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| 14:10.06 | jelly | pbn: but there're... pm-utils? and their /usr/sbin/pm-hibernate ? |
| 14:10.12 | dvs | thinks uswsusp is the name of a federal program |
| 14:10.17 | jelly | I have no idea how those work |
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| 14:11.37 | pbn | jelly: yeah but to me pm-utils is "historical" |
| 14:12.12 | pbn | I used to use uswusp on 5.0 on my laptop, and well in most cases I didn't have issues with s2disk, but once in a while rebooting from hibernation failed |
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| 14:13.25 | jelly | if uswsusp works for you, you can probably install the one from sid (but don't tell anyone I sugested to try that) |
| 14:13.47 | pbn | perhaps a "solution" would be to mix 6.0 and sid in /etc/apt/sources.list and install uswsusp from sid ? |
| 14:13.59 | pbn | heh :) |
| 14:14.26 | jelly | don't, getting the package from sid and install with dpkg less a bit less chance to ruin the rest of the system |
| 14:14.38 | jelly | the correct approach would be to |
| 14:14.40 | jelly | !ssb |
| 14:14.40 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 14:14.54 | jelly | do a local, Simple Sid Backport |
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| 14:17.45 | wolfric | Downloaded live cd for debian with just a standard system (no x or gui etc). The keyboard layout is wrong however and when i go to do dpkg-reconfigure console-data i don't get my keyboard layout (irish). Where can i find this? |
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| 14:18.44 | Kasreyn | server room: why doesn't anyone know what or how is connected |
| 14:18.54 | treebeen | can the squeeze installer shrink an existing windows partition? |
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| 14:24.58 | phenom | Yeeea,, what is the name of the debian ram mascot? |
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| 14:26.21 | phenom | Can't even find pictures of him any more |
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| 14:27.15 | dvs | phenom: It's a gnu for GNU |
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| 14:27.55 | phenom | :P |
| 14:28.05 | jelly | it's not Debian's, it's GNU's |
| 14:28.22 | phenom | ahh haa. I knew I was only %80 off. |
| 14:28.54 | jelly | well Debian _is_ a GNU/Linux distro |
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| 14:30.55 | anddam | ram? I thought it was a gnu |
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| 14:31.13 | anddam | as in wikipedia's wildebeest |
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| 14:32.25 | jelly | how do I archive a directory tree structure without the contents, just the directories, using tar? |
| 14:32.34 | Leoneof | hi, how to get the link about non-free repositories for Debian 6? |
| 14:32.37 | phenom | Yea,, decade + dealing with debian,, never associated it as being GNU's. |
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| 14:34.18 | wolfric | Leoneof: add contrib and non-free to the end of your sources file |
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| 14:36.46 | Leoneof | wolfric: thanks, what this line about: # deb-src ://volatile.debian.org squeeze-updates main contrib |
| 14:38.03 | wolfric | Leoneof: basically, contrib is free software that relies on non-free software. So deb-src allows you to download the source (as apposed to the compiled version) of squeeze updates for main and contrib packages |
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| 14:38.19 | dvs | !tell Leoneof about volitile |
| 14:39.15 | JyZyXEL | whats a good way to get your updated groups in ssh bash session? |
| 14:39.27 | Leoneof | oh great. thank you |
| 14:39.30 | JyZyXEL | is there a way to do it without having to reconnect? |
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| 14:39.44 | Leoneof | !tell dvs volatile |
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| 14:41.56 | karlpinc | !tell Leoneof about overview |
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| 14:42.31 | karlpinc | JyZyXEL: Type "su -" and start a new login shell. |
| 14:43.43 | karlpinc | JyZyXEL: Oops. su - $USER (or perhaps just "bash") |
| 14:43.49 | karlpinc | exit |
| 14:44.09 | JyZyXEL | i was just wondering if there was any other way than exit and reconnecting |
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| 14:48.37 | dvs | Yay! 2.6.38 is out! |
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| 14:50.35 | engla | dvs: anything cool in the release? |
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| 14:51.05 | dvs | engla: Dunno. I'm just downloading it now. |
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| 14:51.42 | JyZyXEL | in what file ar user id's stored? |
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| 14:51.53 | ddan | http://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges |
| 14:52.15 | pipeline | JyZyXEL: /etc/passwd |
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| 14:52.37 | engla | it's bad to delete the passwd file |
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| 14:54.30 | JyZyXEL | is it UID:GID? |
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| 14:55.23 | pipeline | JyZyXEL: you betcha |
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| 15:03.33 | Ratty101 | Hey, has anyone encountered any issues with davical and getting a 405 error when connecting to it via thunderbird/lightning? |
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| 15:03.45 | DammitJim | bluetooth doesn't automatically connect to previously paired devices :( |
| 15:04.02 | karlpinc | JyZyXEL: Yes, you login again without logging out like I told you. |
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| 15:05.46 | pigdude | hello, I need help with pgrep. I read the manpage, and got kicked from ##linux for calling somebody an ass who would only tell me to read the manpage again |
| 15:05.57 | pigdude | I'd gladly pastebin my manpage to prove that this information is not there |
| 15:06.02 | pigdude | that is, how to get path in pgrep output |
| 15:06.12 | pigdude | path/command args |
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| 15:07.48 | jelly | to answer my own question, tarring up ONLY directories is easy... using Schilyware: star -c f=foo.tar -find . '(' -type d ')' |
| 15:08.43 | yebyen | does anyone know about lxc? |
| 15:09.06 | karlpinc | !tell yebyen about anyone |
| 15:09.11 | yebyen | i created a vm once with lxc that did not isolate my network traffic. |
| 15:09.18 | pigdude | yebyen: looks neat |
| 15:09.23 | Bushmills | yebyen: yes, Guido Trotter does |
| 15:09.35 | yebyen | want to do it again |
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| 15:09.54 | yebyen | but not sure how i configured it |
| 15:10.30 | yebyen | all of the guides have you using veth which i think is supposed to isolate you |
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| 15:10.42 | yebyen | and only show you the phony device you made up |
| 15:11.07 | yebyen | also wondering if lxc guests can be connected to tun devices |
| 15:11.14 | yebyen | so i can dial out openvpn connections |
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| 15:12.03 | Adriaan | hey, someone here is connected here with remote x over the network to my pc, can I send a screen to his display? |
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| 15:12.14 | Adriaan | like a terminal, or gedit, or whatever |
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| 15:12.33 | yebyen | if you can ssh back to him, yeah |
| 15:12.41 | yebyen | connect with ssh -X |
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| 15:13.00 | yebyen | err, sorry, you ssh out of his machine with ssh -X |
| 15:13.03 | karlpinc | Adriaan: man xauth |
| 15:13.24 | yebyen | then run a command from that tty |
| 15:13.24 | karlpinc | Adriaan: Do xauth right and you can run any X program on his display. |
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| 15:13.35 | Adriaan | yebyen, yes he is connected with ssh -X, but I have a program opened here I want to show him |
| 15:13.46 | Adriaan | karlpinc, thank you gonna read up |
| 15:14.05 | Bushmills | Adriaan: DISPLAY=hispc:0 run_x_program_producing_graphics # provided you have permissions |
| 15:14.05 | karlpinc | Adriaan: x11vnc might be eaiser -- just export the whole display. |
| 15:14.11 | karlpinc | s/the/your/ |
| 15:14.56 | Adriaan | Bushmills, thanks, but how do you send "existing programs"? |
| 15:14.57 | JyZyXEL | why is there no reply when i do "/etc/init.d/smartmontools start" |
| 15:15.05 | JyZyXEL | it also doesn't start the smartd |
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| 15:15.13 | Bushmills | you don't send it. you run it on your machine |
| 15:15.17 | Adriaan | karlpinc, we'll be doing this all the time so I figure that VNC might not be it, but I think xauth is going to help me |
| 15:15.27 | Bushmills | for example, a picture viewer |
| 15:15.30 | Adriaan | Bushmills, ah, allright! |
| 15:15.46 | fesafder | jelly: thanks a lot exactly wath i was looking for (check raid) |
| 15:15.53 | Adriaan | I guess i understand it now, first set the correct permissions, then change the display of the program |
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| 15:16.51 | karlpinc | Adriaan: The bad part is that you can't change the display of a running program, that I know of. |
| 15:16.59 | jelly | JyZyXEL: verify there's no leftover smartd process already running. After that, check logs (/var/log/daemon.log probably) |
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| 15:17.18 | JyZyXEL | jelly: no it was #start_smartd=yes in /etc/default/smartmontools |
| 15:17.31 | karlpinc | Adriaan: But you could run another X session on your box in another vt, and export the whole session with x11vnc and allow both of you to interact on that screen. |
| 15:17.34 | jelly | JyZyXEL: oh, you didn't even tell it to start |
| 15:17.37 | JyZyXEL | the init script silently just ignores start if thats commented out |
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| 15:17.44 | jelly | that works :-) |
| 15:17.46 | yeled | abrotman, it was the controller/disk. debian lenny netinst worked fine :) |
| 15:17.48 | JyZyXEL | i think thats wrong |
| 15:17.51 | yeled | abrotman, thanks for your help |
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| 15:17.54 | abrotman | yeled: see! |
| 15:17.56 | JyZyXEL | it should say something |
| 15:17.59 | yeled | :) |
| 15:18.03 | jelly | JyZyXEL: file a bug report |
| 15:18.06 | JyZyXEL | i will |
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| 15:18.34 | jelly | preferably with a trivial patch for the init script that does what you want it to |
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| 15:19.09 | Adriaan | karlpinc, allright, that sounds even better, i'll be looking into that |
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| 15:21.33 | karlpinc | Adriaan: What are you really trying to do? (I use openvpn on a shitty dsl connection to connect back to me so that I can x11vnc and see what's on the remote user's screen and provide support.) |
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| 15:22.37 | Adriaan | i'm working on some coding project with another developer but there's a lot of code/images i need to sure |
| 15:22.39 | Adriaan | *share |
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| 15:23.27 | adac | Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". |
| 15:23.31 | Leoneof | hello, how to make Tab button to do auto-complete always? it does only for one or two commands in one line |
| 15:23.31 | leetone | how can i install iceweasel 4.0 in wheezy/sid? from experimental it returns error for me: |
| 15:23.34 | leetone | iceweasel : Depends: xulrunner-2.0 (>= 2.0~rc1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 15:23.36 | adac | do i need the kernel command? |
| 15:23.37 | Adriaan | The problem is that with VNC the whole screen is taken over, while I prefer to only "take over" programs |
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| 15:23.51 | tolle | Share a folder with dropbox instead? or sshfs or something |
| 15:24.35 | Adriaan | tolle, well it's not only files (files are easy since we're on the same system), but also running programs |
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| 15:25.11 | tolle | Skype? |
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| 15:25.55 | c0nsense | hello! i have an dell vostro 1000 and i'm running debian lenny 5.0.7! i wanna know how to use dual monitor? when i a new monitor it's show the same screen to me. |
| 15:25.58 | DammitJim | what happened to bluetooth-alsa on squeeze? |
| 15:26.10 | Adriaan | tolle, we're using skype at the moment to send short messages to each other but it's not really preferable |
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| 15:26.33 | tolle | You can share a view of your desktop as well. |
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| 15:26.49 | tolle | Not sure if it works in linux but others at work do it on the other platforms |
| 15:27.42 | Bushmills | Adriaan: for code, check out sobby, with gobby for clients |
| 15:27.46 | geekie | Btw, I made the init.d work with monit running and checking if it crashed every 60 seconds, works like a charm! :) |
| 15:27.58 | geekie | (for those who still remember that convo) |
| 15:28.35 | stevieman | I am having a promblem with Cron. I am trying to cron a stats update and I am getting a exit status of 2 when I try executing the php script. The use is www-data which owns the php file and has cron permissions as it works for the awstats update. I can pastebin the php script if that would help |
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| 15:28.57 | stevieman | If I manually run the php file the stats update just fine |
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| 15:29.16 | paq | Hi, can debian play mkv videos? |
| 15:29.55 | babilen | paq: Sure, vlc and mplayer handle that format quite well. Other media players probably too, but I haven't verified that in a while. |
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| 15:30.42 | paq | babilen, but you need a fast computer eh, cause I have a 2ghz and when I play mkv files, the frames are frozen but audio runs |
| 15:30.56 | homushi | I've some problem with my d-bus, I guess. I get messages about it and hald of my system is literally gone - when I click on link in pidgin, it just quits, when i click 'open with' in thunar, nothing happens. so the problem is - nothing is transferred between applications. I know that things cannot happen all of a sudden, but they seem to |
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| 15:31.26 | Adriaan | Bushmills, thanks, that seems interesting for simple documents |
| 15:31.30 | babilen | paq: No idea, works fine here with vlc on a T7200 @ 2.00GHz |
| 15:31.52 | paq | babilen, its a better when I play on the command line but still lags |
| 15:33.00 | babilen | paq: The #videolan channel might be better suited to debug that issue. I am not familiar with their codebase. |
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| 15:33.30 | paq | babilen, I find mplayer to work better |
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| 15:34.21 | pbn | Hi on Debian 6.0 how do I install the Java plugin for iceweaseL ? |
| 15:34.29 | babilen | paq: The mplayer channel then ;) |
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| 15:36.31 | paq | they can't do anything |
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| 15:36.48 | homushi | for instance, i cannot even monitor my d-bus |
| 15:36.50 | homushi | Failed to open connection to session message bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-64CTwoAi2M: Connection refused |
| 15:37.06 | homushi | and that kind of error i get whenever any application is using it |
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| 15:42.01 | spliffi | hi guys, how can I determine the date/time when an software update (via aptitude f.e.) has been made |
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| 15:43.55 | Bushmills | spliffi: apt/*, dpkg or aptitude log |
| 15:44.20 | spliffi | I'll check that, thx |
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| 15:45.04 | nsi | hi |
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| 15:45.14 | nsi | i have netbook with openbsd |
| 15:45.17 | leetone | any repository with dropbox? |
| 15:45.21 | nsi | but acpi fail |
| 15:45.31 | abrotman | nsi: this is #debian, not #openbsd ? |
| 15:45.33 | nsi | now i can't boot debian netinstall |
| 15:45.37 | nsi | from usb |
| 15:45.39 | abrotman | oh okay |
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| 15:45.45 | abrotman | leetone: not officially |
| 15:45.50 | leetone | sure |
| 15:45.59 | abrotman | nsi: it used to boot the installer before ? |
| 15:46.27 | nsi | only blank screen |
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| 15:46.51 | abrotman | using squeeze or lenny? |
| 15:46.59 | abrotman | did it install at all? did you try the text mode? |
| 15:47.06 | nsi | i create usb with Universal USB Installer |
| 15:47.14 | abrotman | or expert mode? tried turning off the framebuffer install? |
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| 15:47.27 | DammitJim | is stereo bluetooth not supported on squeeze? |
| 15:47.27 | nsi | abrotman: no, don't boot |
| 15:47.54 | nsi | abrotman: only blank screen with flashing cursor |
| 15:48.06 | abrotman | nsi: what is a Universal USB installer? |
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| 15:48.39 | nsi | http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ |
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| 15:49.16 | nsi | abrotman: but i tryed with unetbootin |
| 15:49.19 | nsi | same problem |
| 15:49.20 | todayy | how enable usb to virtualbox pls? |
| 15:49.36 | abrotman | nsi: you don't have to use either .. follow the squeeze instructions |
| 15:49.40 | abrotman | !tell nsi about usb install |
| 15:49.46 | abrotman | todayy: aptitude search vbox ? |
| 15:50.08 | h3sp4wn | todayy: You have to use the one from oracle afaik |
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| 15:50.37 | todayy | i dont know how ? |
| 15:50.44 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: why? |
| 15:50.54 | abrotman | did they remove virtual box? |
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| 15:51.13 | abrotman | todayy: aptitude search virtualbox .. lots of packages |
| 15:51.31 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: The rdp and usb stuff is closed (always has been unless its being reimplemented) |
| 15:52.07 | h3sp4wn | (presuming usb meaning usb forwarding) |
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| 15:54.05 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: he didn't ask about any of that? |
| 15:54.23 | nsi | abrotman: thx, i try it |
| 15:56.00 | todayy | abrotman: here u arehttp://paste.ubuntu.com/580628/ pls help me |
| 15:56.27 | abrotman | todayy: what does 'uname -r' say? |
| 15:56.42 | abrotman | todayy: sorry, i corrected myself .. `aptitude search virtualbox` |
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| 15:57.14 | todayy | thanks , its 2.6.32-5-686 man |
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| 15:57.50 | abrotman | todayy: in a pastebin .. put the output of 'aptitude search virtualbox; cat /etc/apt/sources.list' .. thanks |
| 15:57.57 | todayy | with virtualbox 4.4 r 70112 ols |
| 15:58.22 | h3sp4wn | todayy: Is Debian the host or the guest ? |
| 15:58.45 | todayy | how about that h3sp4wn pls? |
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| 15:59.11 | abrotman | waits for the paste |
| 15:59.54 | todayy | im try vboxusers:x:117:phonghieu to /et c/group abrotman vs h3sp4wn |
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| 16:00.57 | h3sp4wn | todayy: Are you running the virtualbox on a computer that is running Debian natively or on another system that has Debian installed as a guest (In the first case you need to use the packages from virtualbox.org the second I don't think its a problem (not 100% certain about the second though) |
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| 16:02.14 | todayy | http://paste.ubuntu.com/580630/ which i type "aptitude search vbox " |
| 16:02.38 | abrotman | todayy: in a pastebin .. put the output of 'aptitude search virtualbox; cat /etc/apt/sources.list' .. thanks |
| 16:02.41 | todayy | im downloading virtualbox-4.0_4.0.4-70112~Debian~squeeze_i386.deb from virtualbox website man |
| 16:02.54 | abrotman | guess he doesn't need our help anymore ... |
| 16:03.19 | todayy | i see: |
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| 16:04.04 | todayy | here http://paste.ubuntu.com/580633/ / its my sourceslist |
| 16:04.31 | abrotman | i asked for more than taht |
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| 16:05.12 | todayy | pls step by step |
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| 16:05.31 | adac | Trying to upgrade from lenny to squeeze: http://pastie.org/1674887 |
| 16:05.35 | adac | any ideas? |
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| 16:06.10 | abrotman | there's an error further up |
| 16:06.15 | todayy | abrotman: how to fix my error ( do not enable usb for virtualbox ) |
| 16:06.20 | abrotman | did you follow the release notes |
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| 16:06.24 | abrotman | adac: ? |
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| 16:06.37 | abrotman | todayy: i know nothing about the official virtual box packages from oracle.com |
| 16:06.58 | adac | abrotman, linux-image-2.6.32-5-openvz-amd64 depends on vzctl; however: |
| 16:06.58 | adac | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.07 | adac | this is basically the error i get |
| 16:07.09 | abrotman | adac: and why is vzctl not configured? |
| 16:07.35 | adac | abrotman, I'm not sure why. it happenede all druign the upgradeprcess |
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| 16:07.49 | adac | should i try dpkg -r vzctl? |
| 16:07.52 | abrotman | adac: dpkg --configure vzctl .. what is the error ? |
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| 16:08.41 | adac | abrotman, http://pastie.org/1674887 |
| 16:09.11 | abrotman | it's looking for some module ? |
| 16:09.34 | abrotman | steps away for food |
| 16:10.35 | adac | seems so. I'm not sure what vzmon |
| 16:10.37 | adac | is |
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| 16:10.43 | adac | abrotman, kk see you laters |
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| 16:12.54 | JyZyXEL | so whats the reasoning for assigning sd? names for PATA devices also in squeeze? |
| 16:12.57 | _Lucretia_ | anybody here built gcc-4.6 from debian squeeze using gnat 4.4.5? I just did and it's failed every acats test |
| 16:13.45 | petemc | JyZyXEL: libata, aiui |
| 16:13.57 | JyZyXEL | !aiui |
| 16:13.57 | dpkg | i heard aiui is As I Understand It |
| 16:15.13 | DammitJim | dpkg bluez |
| 16:15.13 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, DammitJim |
| 16:15.19 | DammitJim | dammit! |
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| 16:16.06 | _Lucretia_ | ahhh |
| 16:16.09 | jelly | JyZyXEL: most of the drivers changed to a modern ATA driver infrastructure named "libata" and they present the host and devices as SCSI |
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| 16:16.19 | jelly | hence, disks become /dev/sd* |
| 16:16.40 | jelly | cd/dvd devices become /dev/sr*, etc |
| 16:17.17 | jelly | JyZyXEL: /msg dpkg libata |
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| 16:22.51 | c3l | from what I understand, one cannot add one group to another, so how should I go about doing something like this? |
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| 16:23.44 | xyan | read your sentence again and try harder |
| 16:24.21 | adac | How can i load ipv6 module in debian? |
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| 16:24.44 | xyan | modprobe ipv6 |
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| 16:25.13 | adac | xyan, ATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-openvz-amd64/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 16:25.16 | adac | FATAL |
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| 16:25.30 | ansgar | adac: I believe it is built in nowadays. |
| 16:25.35 | Bushmills | try depmod -a |
| 16:25.48 | jhutchins_lt | adac: In squeeze it is part of the kernel. |
| 16:26.10 | jhutchins_lt | adac: What release are you running? |
| 16:26.10 | xyan | adac: virtual server? |
| 16:26.19 | adac | depmod -a |
| 16:26.19 | adac | WARNING: Couldn't open directory /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-openvz-amd64: No such file or directory |
| 16:26.19 | adac | FATAL: Could not open /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-openvz-amd64/modules.dep.temp for writing: No such file or directory |
| 16:26.26 | Bushmills | but not having a modules.dep is indicative of some sort of problem on your system |
| 16:26.32 | adac | virtual server which i try to upgrade to squeeze |
| 16:26.33 | xyan | openvz... virtual so you cant load anything |
| 16:26.43 | todayy | i dotn find way to acess usb with virtualbox pls :( |
| 16:27.11 | Bushmills | ah. the problem is that your guest system doesn't run its own kernel |
| 16:27.20 | xyan | todayy: this is not virtualbox support, if you want usb in vbox 4 though you need to install the oracle extension pack |
| 16:28.12 | todayy | im trying to change at /etc/group, trying to google , i dont know why |
| 16:28.36 | Bushmills | why? because google may give answers |
| 16:28.50 | Bushmills | usually people know why they google :P |
| 16:29.21 | todayy | what oracle pack xyan |
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| 16:29.45 | stevieman | Can anyone here help with a cron problem? |
| 16:30.47 | todayy | thanks everyone |
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| 16:35.54 | syn3rgy | Hi guys! We got one computer and two HDTVs. Can both users use their desktops as the same time. I mean I do this all the time in shell, just not GUI style. |
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| 16:37.01 | syn3rgy | The idea is that we have one really powerful computer with a killer graphics card and a few HDMI outputs. |
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| 16:37.38 | h3sp4wn | syn3rgy: There is no reason you cannot other than driver quality |
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| 16:38.31 | syn3rgy | h3sp4wn As much as I hate blob drivers I am using the newest Nvidia drivers. |
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| 16:39.01 | syn3rgy | h3sp4wn I know how to use ssh -X but I guess that would be to much overhead. |
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| 16:39.03 | h3sp4wn | syn3rgy: Probably the only way (The new ati stuff is bad enough for me with a single screen) |
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| 16:39.38 | c3l | how can I use nested groups? that is - the functionality to add groups to groups |
| 16:39.57 | syn3rgy | h3sp4wn thing is that she has her own account since I wont allow wine game on my account. |
| 16:40.05 | jelly | c3l: you can't |
| 16:40.19 | jelly | there is no group nesting in posix |
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| 16:41.06 | homushi | when you use 2 X users on 1 monitor, you just put the other display for the second user, i guess define second screen too, and that's all? |
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| 16:41.10 | jhutchins_lt | c3l: linux doesn't work that way. |
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| 16:41.44 | h3sp4wn | c3l: Did you look at RBAC for selinux ? |
| 16:41.49 | c3l | jelly: jhutchins_lt: then how should I achieve this result? or should I manually manage every single user? |
| 16:42.21 | syn3rgy | homushi now this sounds interesting! How do I set up the other monitor for the other user while I am using mine? |
| 16:42.32 | c3l | h3sp4wn: never heard of it, ill have a look at it |
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| 16:43.13 | syn3rgy | homushi you don't have to spoon feed me just point me in the right direction if it is complicated. |
| 16:43.13 | homushi | syn3rgy: maybe (just maybe) some soft fot muplitple monitors may help you |
| 16:43.19 | jelly | c3l: well, don't manage them manually, automate it |
| 16:43.43 | jhutchins_lt | c3l: Not knowing what you're trying to do it's hard to advise you. I think this guide has some info on user/group security: http://tldp.org/sag |
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| 16:44.26 | syn3rgy | homushi soft fot multiple monitors? |
| 16:44.44 | c3l | jelly: how would I go about doing that? |
| 16:45.07 | homushi | syn3rgy: for example, I use TwinView for my nvideo card, it gives me two monitors for one user, maybe you can direct outpur of one user to the second monitor |
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| 16:45.24 | homushi | output* |
| 16:45.38 | c3l | jhutchins_lt: adding groups to groups, it doesnt have to be any more specific really. the link is dead btw |
| 16:45.52 | jelly | c3l: I don't know what your user management system currently looks like. |
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| 16:46.26 | jelly | c3l: what are you really trying to achieve by doing "add groups to groups" |
| 16:46.39 | syn3rgy | homushi yeah I also use TwinView and it works really nice. Now the COOL part would be if I could let the other user take over that monitor. Any clues how to do this. This might be hard for X |
| 16:47.35 | jhutchins_lt | c3l: Sorry, bad buffer: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/ |
| 16:47.42 | jhutchins_lt | c3l: Adding groups to groups is Windoze. |
| 16:47.42 | homushi | syn3rgy: maybe you should have two different Screen sections in xorg.conf, and when first users startx, he goes to the first screen, and the second one to the second? this should be written in xinit |
| 16:47.45 | c3l | jelly: say I have a set of users in a group. I want to preform the same operation on all of those users - or this group. |
| 16:48.17 | jelly | c3l: so enumerate all the users in group A and do the operation on each |
| 16:48.26 | syn3rgy | homushi Hmmm.... never tried "Unity" you think that might just work.I am going to give the xinit thing a try too. |
| 16:48.49 | c3l | jhutchins_lt: so what do posix compliant folks to do achieve this? why isnt this feature implemented to the standard groups system? its obviously useful |
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| 16:48.54 | AlexC_ | g'morning |
| 16:49.05 | homushi | syn3rgy: never tried unity, sorry |
| 16:49.17 | jhutchins_lt | c3l: No, not obviously useful, just a carryover from Windows administration. |
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| 16:49.34 | jhutchins_lt | c3l: The posix approach to security is entirely different. |
| 16:49.35 | AlexC_ | how does Debian handle the Chromium packages in terms of new versions? I mean, it's a very fast pace development project, surely it can't stay the same version for the entire life of Squeeze? |
| 16:49.38 | syn3rgy | homushi lol, same thing here. I think some call it a "local cloud" or something like that. |
| 16:49.40 | jelly | c3l: a typical sysadmin knows enough scripting to make a for loop, do whatever's needed, and move on |
| 16:50.00 | ansgar | AlexC_: Currently they backport security patches to the version in Squeeze. |
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| 16:50.55 | syn3rgy | homushi Ill do a little more google'n. Sadly 99% of the stuff out there is ie "how do I make a pink pony on my wallpaper" |
| 16:51.04 | AlexC_ | ansgar: so what happens in 1 year when the incredibly outdated version of chromium is still in Squeeze? Continue to mash it full of patches? |
| 16:51.11 | Iridos | AlexC_, the way it usually does... the version in the stable release doesn't change, you can use backports (or possibly volatile) for newer versions |
| 16:51.17 | homushi | syn3rgy: just start with making screen0 and screen1 section in xorg.conf and try to girect users to different screens by setting screen in startx command |
| 16:51.23 | AlexC_ | ouch, debian-- |
| 16:51.29 | homushi | syn3rgy: im interested would it work or not :) |
| 16:51.29 | c3l | jelly: say Ive added all the users from the group in question to several other groups. I then need to add or remove a user to that group. how should I do this then? as far as I see it the approach youre suggesting would then require me to keep track of all the groups my group is a part of? |
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| 16:51.57 | syn3rgy | homushi I am so going to give that a try. It just might work! |
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| 16:52.23 | Iridos | AlexC_, the definition of stable is that it contains a constant and known set of bugs. The only way to do so is not to introduce new versions of programs |
| 16:52.50 | project2501a | how on earth do you do scp with dsh? |
| 16:53.01 | jelly | c3l: yes, you'd need to track it externally because there is no such feature in posix |
| 16:53.10 | AlexC_ | Iridos: I'm aware, but this is where Debian falls flat on its face with upstream projects that move so fast |
| 16:53.14 | project2501a | shit, i hope parallel gnu does have a function like that. someone: please backport gnu parallel |
| 16:53.17 | homushi | syn3rgy: it helps putting '-ubuntu' in google request btw ;) |
| 16:53.19 | AlexC_ | but hey, Debian for servers is great |
| 16:53.20 | AlexC_ | anyway, g'bye |
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| 16:53.38 | jhutchins_lt | c3l: group membership isn't the same thing in posix as it is in windows. |
| 16:53.38 | homushi | syn3rgy: when you're lost in pink unicorns i mean |
| 16:54.27 | c3l | jelly: thats both redundant and unefficient, I dont understand to manage larger sets of users without writing some external system that recreates the /etc/groups. so then why not implement this feature in the core? |
| 16:54.44 | Iridos | syn3rgy, so how DOES one make a pink pony on ones wallpaper? |
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| 16:55.51 | jelly | c3l: the core is simple and extending it makes serious consequences, basically changing important APIs. You can't map that paradigm onto POSIX groups. |
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| 16:56.32 | c3l | jhutchins_lt: ive never managed users or groups in windows. as I wrote above, how do posix folks manage larger sets of users? take the example; we have a group, we this groups users to a number of other groups. then we need to add/remove users to our initial group. |
| 16:57.02 | jelly | c3l: there are directory services like NIS+ or LDAP. |
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| 16:58.22 | jelly | posix users/groups by themselves are too simple for what you want to automatically be done |
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| 16:58.37 | Iridos | what _is_ it he wants to have done? |
| 16:58.51 | c3l | nested groups |
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| 16:59.00 | jelly | chain group memberships for some reason |
| 16:59.03 | Iridos | that's something you want to have to achive something |
| 16:59.05 | jelly | c3l: why? |
| 16:59.17 | Iridos | but I don't understand what you actually want to achive |
| 16:59.22 | h3sp4wn | c3l: with rbac you can setup a role and give each user that role |
| 16:59.22 | jelly | me neither |
| 16:59.36 | Iridos | jelly, ah, ok... you seemed to |
| 17:00.00 | jelly | !xyproblem |
| 17:00.00 | dpkg | [xyproblem] People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem or http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/put-down-the-chocolate-covered-banana.html |
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| 17:00.51 | treebeen | !problem |
| 17:00.51 | Matias | Hello! |
| 17:00.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, problem is something that can be solved, fixed or worked around if properly described. A good thorough description of the problem, with detailed steps of how to reproduce the problem, the produced output, and the expected output, is the best start to discuss a problem. |
| 17:00.57 | Matias | does anyone use ibus with xchat? |
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| 17:02.02 | c3l | okay, I have a set of users that I want to be part of groups a,b,c,... by nested groups adding/removing users from my initial set of users would be simplified. apparently im missing something, so how should I do this? im no master in any sense, so pleas enlighten me =) |
| 17:02.14 | waza-ari | Hey all, i have the following line in my sources.list "deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile/ lenny/volatile main contrib non-free". After apt-get update i get an error "404 not found" when trying to download clamav from there. Apt tries to download an old version, which is really not existing in repo anymore... |
| 17:02.32 | jhutchins_lt | c3l: You can do that. Just use windows. You can add services for unix. |
| 17:02.49 | project2501a | waza-ari: lenny is old-stable now and the packages it had are removed |
| 17:02.52 | Matias | but it seems to not be possible, I can't activate Anthy (it says "no input method") |
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| 17:03.42 | h3sp4wn | c3l: You can just edit - /etc/adduser.conf to put what groups you want at its most simple |
| 17:03.49 | waza-ari | project2501a: so is there a way to geht the newest versions? in standard version is only clamav 0.94, the current is 0.97 i think |
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| 17:04.12 | project2501a | waza-ari: dist-upgrade to squeeze |
| 17:04.15 | project2501a | get out of communism |
| 17:04.16 | c3l | jhutchins_lt: so your solution is for me to install an entire operating system and run that in paralell? |
| 17:05.00 | dshbusiness | hello, I want use geometry package of latex, to set margin of my paper. But latex said it could not be found. How to install it under debian? |
| 17:05.15 | jhutchins_lt | c3l: If you insist on using windows administration strategies I see no other option. |
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| 17:05.54 | jhutchins_lt | c3l: Seriously though, have a look at the admin guide and see if there is a way to accomplish your goals that doesn't use groups the way windows does. |
| 17:05.56 | h3sp4wn | Or install some resource hog closed source identity management product |
| 17:06.30 | project2501a | ldap? |
| 17:06.38 | project2501a | ldap does nested groups |
| 17:06.53 | c3l | jhutchins_lt: I dont, sorry for not making this clear. firstly its awkward refering to it as windows administration strategies, as Im not even remotely familiar with that. I simply dont know how to do something like this in the posix-way |
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| 17:06.58 | jhutchins_lt | waza-ari: clam is in volitile in lenny and in squeeze-updates. |
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| 17:07.11 | project2501a | though if you want nested groups, i say you are following the political structure |
| 17:07.14 | jelly | waza-ari: if you have clamav 0.94, you're running a very old version of Debian |
| 17:07.27 | waza-ari | jelly: im running debian lenny |
| 17:07.32 | waza-ari | but im currently upgrading to squeeze |
| 17:07.39 | jelly | ,versions clamav-daemon |
| 17:07.42 | judd | Package clamav-daemon on i386 -- lenny: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; lenny-security: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; squeeze: 0.96.5+dfsg-1.1; wheezy: 0.97+dfsg-1; lenny-volatile: 0.97+dfsg-2~lenny1; sid: 0.97+dfsg-2 |
| 17:07.44 | project2501a | c31: have you tried ldap? |
| 17:07.45 | c3l | jhutchins_lt: how would you achieve what I described? or would you not even get into that situation - as you would have done something different initially? |
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| 17:08.21 | jelly | waza-ari: ok. In that case, I suggest completing your upgrade procedure. |
| 17:08.44 | project2501a | out of communism and into anarchy |
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| 17:09.11 | jhutchins_lt | waza-ari: clam is in volitile in lenny and in squeeze-updates. |
| 17:09.14 | jhutchins_lt | c3l: In that case the guide is a good place to start. |
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| 17:10.19 | jhutchins_lt | c3l: You may also want to look into ACLs for linux. |
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| 17:11.08 | jelly | c3l: you line of thought makes me wonder what you're using groups for |
| 17:11.44 | c3l | jhutchins_lt: if you're refering to the guide you linked, also the second link you gave was dead. and I cant find any debian admin guide other than http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ which is obsolete |
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| 17:11.59 | project2501a | why is it obsolete? |
| 17:12.50 | c3l | project2501a: it says so in large font. |
| 17:13.02 | project2501a | makes sense *nod*nod* |
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| 17:13.32 | c3l | project2501a: I now se, in smaller font at the bottom. the link to some updated slightly different manual |
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| 17:14.07 | jhutchins_lt | c3l: Sorry, tldp.org seems to be down. |
| 17:14.28 | c3l | jhutchins_lt: ah, ill just look at a cached version form google |
| 17:15.32 | jhutchins_lt | c3l: This is a link to an older version, but mostly still valid: http://www.linuxhq.com/guides/SAG/ |
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| 17:17.57 | c3l | jhutchins_lt: thanks |
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| 17:22.59 | waza-ari | During the upgrade process from lenny to squeeze i now get the following errors: http://pastie.org/1675196 what is this? |
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| 17:28.52 | waza-ari | no idea, where this error comes from? upgrade process doesent go on... |
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| 17:35.32 | Iridos | well, you'll have to find out? |
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| 17:38.47 | syn3rgy | homushi cool I found what I was looking for. It is a multiseat set up. This is one way http://linuxgazette.net/124/smith.html |
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| 17:39.41 | syn3rgy | homushi or you can do it with ONE card =D https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiseatX |
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| 17:42.42 | AgentC | would anyone does a try for me on my php-programming on my website www.mitlab.de in case of quality check ?? user: testuser password: test ... some sms are free for test-purpose. :-) |
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| 17:43.39 | xk | did I go back to the 1990s? :) |
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| 17:44.53 | flo` | hi |
| 17:45.01 | Sm0ke0ut | Nah. I joined the 1990s as well xk ;p |
| 17:45.05 | abrotman | AgentC: do you have a Debian question ? |
| 17:45.08 | flo` | after an upgrade from debian lenny to squeeze, quodlibet stopped working |
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| 17:45.17 | flo` | it gives me a backtrace |
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| 17:45.39 | flo` | http://pastebin.com/1wvEpY9k |
| 17:45.45 | flo` | that's the full output |
| 17:45.56 | flo` | can you please help me with getting it working? |
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| 17:46.38 | abrotman | flo`: EditingPlugins .. it needs that |
| 17:46.40 | AgentC | abrotman: that server is running on debian, wonder why apache (selfcompiled) on lenny @ vps cant process htaccess with order deny, allow / deny from all .. etc, on my squeeze apache2 std install it works |
| 17:46.54 | flo` | abrotman, how can i get it? |
| 17:47.21 | flo` | i have no broken dependencies, and quodlibet is in debian's repos. so i may expect it work out-of-the-box, right? |
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| 17:50.17 | flo` | looks like this bug |
| 17:50.17 | flo` | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=536739 |
| 17:50.24 | flo` | except that it has been fixed already? |
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| 17:52.44 | anddam | I want to edit an application shortcut in lxde, is there a system way to proceed? when I edit the application shortcut and click Ok the change isn't recorded |
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| 17:56.35 | flo` | reinstalling quodlibet helped. |
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| 17:57.52 | waza-ari | Hey. i just reinstalled my pc with debian squeeze and tried to install froxlor with its dependencies. When configuring proftp, i get the following error: "insserv: warning: script is corrupt or invalid: /etc/init.d/../rc6.d/S00vzreboot" what the hell is that? The installation does not proceed... |
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| 17:58.29 | under | Hi. I get Can't locate object method "new" via package "LWP::UserAgent" at youbot-azzurra.pl line 12. Wich debian package have I to install? |
| 17:58.41 | xk | under: libwww-perl |
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| 17:58.54 | DammitJim | can anyone help with stereo bluetooth? |
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| 18:01.49 | under | xk: libwww-perl is already the newest version. |
| 18:02.08 | jelly | under: next time a Perl module is missing, you can search for a file path like LWP/UserAgent.pm using apt-file |
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| 18:02.16 | jelly | !tell under about apt-file |
| 18:02.53 | jelly | under: or ask the judd bot, /msg judd file LWP/UserAgent.pm |
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| 18:03.22 | anddam | any hint about editing application shortcuts in Xorg? I don't know if it's something lxde or menu-system related |
| 18:03.38 | xk | under: does the script have "use LWP::UserAgent;" at the top? |
| 18:03.55 | under | xk: yes, it has. |
| 18:04.09 | jelly | xk: more importantly, does the script have #!/usr/bin/perl or something else as the interpreter |
| 18:04.09 | xk | weird |
| 18:04.40 | jelly | under: what does the first line of the script look like? |
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| 18:06.11 | zealiod | mail i send to a certain domain never gets through? It's not in spam, etc. It happens on multiple accounts, I can't email any of them. What could the issue be? |
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| 18:07.10 | petemc | zealiod: does your mail server deliver the mail to the recipient mta ? |
| 18:07.32 | petemc | as in, its passed off successfully |
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| 18:08.17 | zealiod | yes |
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| 18:08.39 | petemc | is it hotmail? |
| 18:08.42 | jelly | heheh |
| 18:08.57 | flo` | is there a way to use debian without initrd and also without having to recompile the kernel? |
| 18:09.12 | jelly | flo`: short answer, no |
| 18:09.14 | zealiod | petemc: nope, private domain to private domain |
| 18:09.23 | flo` | jelly, and the long answer? |
| 18:09.29 | zealiod | petemc: i have access to dns on ours |
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| 18:09.37 | flo` | jelly, is the long answer "in certain cases like $FOO, yes", or only an explanation? |
| 18:09.47 | petemc | zealiod: its possible they have it configured to silently delete mail, its not unheard of |
| 18:09.57 | zealiod | petemc: could it be some sort of spam protection? |
| 18:10.10 | petemc | a misguided attempt at it, yes |
| 18:10.12 | jelly | flo`: there are trick answers, like "use someone else's already precompiled kernel that boots up on your machine" that are largerly useless |
| 18:10.26 | jelly | flo`: make your initramfs thingy work instead. |
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| 18:11.05 | flo` | jelly, okay; well, my initramfs does its job; i'm only trying to increase the boot process |
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| 18:11.15 | jelly | increase? |
| 18:11.23 | flo` | ehm, improve |
| 18:11.31 | flo` | like in "make faster" |
| 18:11.34 | Iridos | waza-ari, I don't see that such a file is in debian. |
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| 18:12.07 | jelly | flo`: you're going to have to build very custom kernels if you want to go into microoptimizations like that |
| 18:12.10 | waza-ari | Iridos: thats the error i get when installing proftpd... |
| 18:12.30 | jelly | flo`: how often do you boot the machine? |
| 18:12.35 | jelly | (and why) |
| 18:12.39 | flo` | jelly, once a day |
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| 18:12.46 | themill | waza-ari: that's something your VPS provider probably stuck in the image. You could talk to them, perhaps. |
| 18:12.59 | Iridos | waza-ari, seems to be a file coming from openvz, which I don't use |
| 18:13.04 | flo` | because my parents (it's their machine) are paranoid about s2ram, and s2disk doesn't work |
| 18:13.04 | jelly | flo`: and you can't power it on, make a cup of coffee, and come back? |
| 18:13.13 | flo` | yes |
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| 18:13.19 | waza-ari | Iridos, themill: okay, then i might ask there... |
| 18:13.22 | flo` | they power it on and want to use it |
| 18:13.32 | Iridos | waza-ari, also, runlevel 6 isn't used by normal debian installs |
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| 18:14.16 | jelly | Iridos: I use it whenever I want to reboot my normal debian installs! |
| 18:14.35 | Iridos | jelly, well, YOU |
| 18:14.38 | Iridos | doesn't mean anything |
| 18:14.46 | jelly | <me> shutdown -r now <machine> Switching to runlevel 6 |
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| 18:16.48 | Iridos | waza-ari, you might check why this is at all called/read when you install proftpd... I don't see what this start script is supposed to have to do with proftpd |
| 18:16.57 | jelly | flo`: well. Hibernation is tricky in Linux, and may not be that much faster than a cold boot. Using a SSD as a boot and OS device helps quite a lot. |
| 18:17.01 | c3l | how does it work with permissions on drives that are mounted, and then mounted on another system? I wasnt able to find anything on this by searching, and have no idea on in what manual it might be found |
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| 18:17.56 | Iridos | c3l, are you talking about nfs mounts? |
| 18:18.02 | jelly | flo`: I find xfce/gnome/kde session management to help a lot with bringing my desktops to a usable state |
| 18:18.04 | CalimeroTeknik | did ubuntu just take the debian grub config mechanism, or is it different ? |
| 18:18.26 | CalimeroTeknik | I mean dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc to tell grub where to install, etc |
| 18:18.52 | ansgar | CalimeroTeknik: #ubuntu probably knows better. |
| 18:19.17 | CalimeroTeknik | well I did hesitate, but I'm asking about debian :) |
| 18:19.44 | Iridos | no, you're not... you ask what ubuntu does |
| 18:19.49 | CalimeroTeknik | nop |
| 18:19.53 | Iridos | which we have no idea |
| 18:19.58 | jelly | CalimeroTeknik: finding a person that knows how both of those work and feel like might prove nontrivial ;-) |
| 18:20.03 | CalimeroTeknik | I know what they do, I'm asking does that come from debian ? |
| 18:20.32 | pbn | hm should it not be 6.0.1 alreayd ? :) |
| 18:20.34 | c3l | Iridos: no, ordinary hard drives (with fs ext4 or 3) that I mount - add some files and folders and set some permissions on those. then I mount this drive on some other system (or reinstall), what will happen with the permissions? if and if not the users exist on the new system |
| 18:20.36 | CalimeroTeknik | dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc to tell grub where to install, and the distro-specific config (I mean you don't edit grub.cfg or menu.lst yourself), is it like this en debian ? |
| 18:20.39 | CalimeroTeknik | on* |
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| 18:20.47 | jelly | CalimeroTeknik: it is. |
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| 18:20.51 | Iridos | no idea... the grub2 package in debian is called grub-pc, I have no idea if/how ubuntu modified it |
| 18:21.04 | CalimeroTeknik | okay thanks jelly ! |
| 18:21.08 | ansgar | pbn: No. Not yet. |
| 18:21.15 | pbn | ansgar: ah ok :) |
| 18:21.26 | Iridos | c3l, you mean with a portable drive? |
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| 18:21.41 | jelly | CalimeroTeknik: but changes and improvements can flow both ways, I don't know which team did it first |
| 18:22.25 | CalimeroTeknik | the only thing was for me to know if those two things were true |
| 18:22.26 | Iridos | c3l, every user has a number, that is stored on the drive. if on the other system a user with the same number exists, the files will suddenly be magically his files. if no user owns the number, the system will display the number instead of a username |
| 18:22.27 | jelly | CalimeroTeknik: looking at the packaging changelog may give hints. /usr/share/doc/packagename/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 18:22.38 | CalimeroTeknik | before writing wrong things on my blog |
| 18:22.53 | c3l | Iridos: not necessarily, both internal and external drives are moveable, and both can certainly reside in boxes that get reinstalled |
| 18:23.04 | pbn | ok I'm plainng to use qemu-kvm as a virtualization tool. Now I heard there was some package which provides a fancy interface to kvm, what is it again ? |
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| 18:23.14 | jelly | c3l: have fun with your black duckling blog |
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| 18:23.21 | jelly | er, CalimeroTeknik ^^ |
| 18:23.40 | CalimeroTeknik | because, you see, explaining how to set up grub for multiple distros is okay as long as they don't have their own config mechanisms ;) |
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| 18:24.00 | CalimeroTeknik | bypassing them is wrong |
| 18:24.14 | CalimeroTeknik | (that is, edit grub.cfg) |
| 18:24.40 | CalimeroTeknik | (on debian of course, some other distros just never touch it, it's up to you) |
| 18:25.21 | c3l | Iridos: aah, the uid's and gid's. thanks! |
| 18:26.26 | c3l | Iridos: so when im reinstalling my server, I should remember what user had what uid (and group - gid), and on the new system simply set users and groups according to those values? |
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| 18:26.32 | Iridos | c3l, you actually see the same with tarfiles using the --preserve option for packing and unpacked by root |
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| 18:27.19 | neoice | so I'm trying to build my own kernel for Debian. I took the vanilla sources, applied a few patches, copied over a .32-5 config from /boot and did a "make deb-pkg" and wound up with a 350MB .deb. any ideas what I might have done wrong? |
| 18:27.24 | Iridos | c3l, yes... or more precisely, use the same /etc/passwd files if you have multiple servers if you ever want to share file systems with unix permissions between them |
| 18:27.41 | Iridos | c3l, or use things like NIS+ to keep the userbase in sync |
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| 18:29.04 | zealiod | petemc: is there an online test i can do to see where it gets lost? |
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| 18:29.10 | c3l | Iridos: aah so its in that file that the uids are determined? can those be changed after the user is created? and the same goes for groups and /etc/groups? |
| 18:29.43 | jelly | CalimeroTeknik: well. Choose one distro (say, the latest) and use only that one to configure the boot loader |
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| 18:30.19 | jelly | CalimeroTeknik: if it has fresh grub2 and os-prober it's probably going to detect and add the rest to the menu |
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| 18:30.36 | Iridos | c3l, groups is in /etc/group - it's not advisable to change uid after user creation, as that will orphan/re-own all files that the user owned |
| 18:31.18 | CalimeroTeknik | jelly, even a partition with just grub on its boot sector (and linux from scratch) and chainload it ? |
| 18:32.40 | c3l | Iridos: but thats the only drawback? can be good to know if i'll have to do this some time. and in that case I shouldnt alter the files, right? rather use the appropriate command line tool? |
| 18:32.53 | petemc | zealiod: only if the people who run the mailserver for the problem domain have created such a thing, which is unlikely |
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| 18:33.20 | Iridos | c3l, what do you mean |
| 18:33.28 | zealiod | petemc: I've tested the domains are there are no spf records on the the originating domains |
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| 18:34.00 | c3l | Iridos: other than that file permissions will get messed up if changing users uid's. ther is nothing else that breaks? |
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| 18:34.29 | c3l | Iridos: and is it safe to edit /etc/passwd and /etc/group manually? |
| 18:34.31 | Iridos | not that I know about |
| 18:34.56 | Iridos | c3l, there's vipw for that |
| 18:35.07 | c3l | Iridos: okay, thanks |
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| 18:35.28 | anddam | how should I override /usr/share/applications in user home dir? |
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| 18:37.39 | DammitJim | do you guys know how to configure a wep network on the command line? |
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| 18:37.52 | Iridos | yes |
| 18:37.55 | Iridos | but we don't tell |
| 18:38.13 | Spec | DammitJim: man iwconfig |
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| 18:38.17 | Spec | and man iwlist, to help out. |
| 18:38.45 | Spec | DammitJim: but setting wep keys as a command line argument is potentially insecure. so is using wep. |
| 18:38.56 | esparkman | hello guys I am running debian etch 4.0 I am looking for a source list that will allow me to get libcurl4-openssl-dev any advice |
| 18:39.12 | DammitJim | ok, iwconfig doesn't support passphrase |
| 18:39.17 | DammitJim | thank you, spec |
| 18:39.23 | esparkman | i do plan to update to the latest but that will be a bit in the future |
| 18:39.53 | DammitJim | I'd like to use wep in cases where that's the only connection available to the internet |
| 18:39.55 | Iridos | DammitJim, supports 's:password' if that's what you mean |
| 18:39.57 | user730 | Hi everyone, somebody can to tell me, into the squid, what is difference between url_regex and dstdom_regex? |
| 18:40.14 | DammitJim | Iridos, it seems s:password is actually the hex key |
| 18:40.22 | AthomIk | valdyn: hello |
| 18:40.34 | DammitJim | I got WPA working and open access... just trying to understand how to get wep to work |
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| 18:41.19 | Iridos | DammitJim, actually stuff is a bit picky and depends on your wireless hardware |
| 18:41.48 | DammitJim | how picky can it be? |
| 18:41.50 | DammitJim | LOL |
| 18:42.08 | Iridos | DammitJim, you might have to explicitely set "key restricted" for example |
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| 18:43.03 | DammitJim | Iridos, I saw that in a document, but I don't know what that is |
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| 18:43.07 | Iridos | DammitJim, also make sure with calling "iwconfig" that you really associated to the AP |
| 18:43.22 | user730 | Hi everyone, somebody can to tell me, into the squid, what is difference between url_regex and dstdom_regex? |
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| 18:45.06 | wildc4rd | evenin |
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| 18:45.41 | abrotman | user730: you know there's a #squid ? |
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| 18:46.10 | Iridos | DammitJim, iwconfig wlan1 channel 11 essid yourAPname ap 00:1A:2F:30:40:50 enc |
| 18:46.10 | Iridos | restricted key 1111-1111-1111-1111-1111-1111-27;sleep 2 ; iwconfig wlan1 |
| 18:46.16 | Iridos | ops, in one line |
| 18:46.52 | DammitJim | why does the key look like binary octets? |
| 18:46.57 | Iridos | DammitJim, and of course then either use dhclient or ifconfig wlan1 192.168.1.156;route add default gw 192.168.1.1 wlan1 (.1 being the router .156 being you) |
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| 18:48.18 | esparkman | can anyone help me on my question? |
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| 18:49.33 | themill | esparkman: you do, of course, realise that etch hasn't been receiving security support for over a year now and that upgrading to lenny (and squeeze) should be a matter of priority for you. /msg dpkg etch sources.list |
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| 18:50.09 | esparkman | themill: i do understand that :) |
| 18:50.11 | user730 | abrotman: yeah I know, sorry, but nobody answer in that channel, |
| 18:50.21 | esparkman | themill: that is on the very near future project plan. |
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| 18:50.31 | mathbr | Hi. Are there some prebuilt PHP 5.3 packages named as php53-*? I am trying to have PHP 5.2 and PHP 5.3 available side by side. |
| 18:51.12 | themill | mathbr: that's not possible with the debian packages. (also not possible really to configure apache to do that very easily, either) |
| 18:51.19 | JyZyXEL | are barriers enabled for a ext4 root filesystem by default? |
| 18:51.24 | themill | !php paradox |
| 18:51.24 | dpkg | The PHP paradox is that the people running lenny with php 5.2 want to have php 5.3... while the people running squeeze with php 5.3 want to have php 5.2. This is actually a sad indictment of both php and the applications written in it. |
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| 18:52.22 | mathbr | themill: ItĆ¢ĀĀs possible with plain CGI but I was hoping there where proper packages somewhere. |
| 18:52.49 | Spec | themill: the fence is greener on the other version :-/ |
| 18:52.54 | mathbr | But changing each and every instance of "php5" in path names and such in DebianĆ¢ĀĀs source package will kill me. |
| 18:53.08 | themill | mathbr: it's possible with CGI yes. Just not pretty. |
| 18:53.13 | themill | Spec: \o/ |
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| 18:53.23 | dondelelcaro | that's why you do suexec cgi, and use a different handler for php scripts in certain cases |
| 18:53.51 | esparkman | hrmmm still isn't giving me access to libcurl4-openssl-dev |
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| 18:55.10 | dondelelcaro | or better, just don't use php at all... |
| 18:55.36 | mathbr | Hard to avoid in daily work. ;-) |
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| 18:56.11 | shanepardue | I've noticed 2.6.38rcs have been updating frequently. Is this almost final? Anxious for the headers that rely on kbuild |
| 18:56.53 | tolle | http://i.imgur.com/7unV7.png how php handles boolean values. |
| 18:57.18 | ddan | shanepardue, www.kernel.org its already released |
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| 18:58.26 | mathbr | Anyways, IĆ¢ĀĀll probably just get the source from php.net and install it to some custom $PREFIX. |
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| 18:59.55 | mathbr | cya |
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| 19:00.27 | shanepardue | ddan: Yeah, never have compiled my own kernel..slacker |
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| 19:00.54 | ddan | a good day to start |
| 19:01.34 | shanepardue | ddan: perhaps :) |
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| 19:03.37 | oenone | hi there |
| 19:03.46 | grullers | hi oenone |
| 19:04.38 | oenone | i'm reading http://wiki.debian.org/snd-cs46xx - do i have to do that, even if lsmod shows snd-cs46xx already loaded? |
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| 19:05.27 | grullers | I'm installing debian using the lvm for the first time. I set up one partion of several harddisks using partman-base. Is there a way to install grub or lilo and get it working? |
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| 19:06.05 | bobg | i rebuilt a package (asterisk-mp3) and made it available on a local repository but my client ignores this version and downloads it from the official repo. How do I get my clients to use my local repo with higher priority than the official repo? |
| 19:06.11 | Dedego | Ā Can someone help me with this error>> http://paste.debian.net/110764Ā |
| 19:06.42 | bobg | Dedego, that link is broken to me |
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| 19:07.13 | bobg | Dedego, i had a trail space -- its ok |
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| 19:09.31 | Ticho | hm, i just upgraded from squeeze to wheezy, but my kernel remained at 2.6.32-5 - is that to be expected? |
| 19:09.46 | dutchfish | Ticho, yes |
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| 19:10.17 | Ticho | even though "apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64" says 2.6.32+29 ? |
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| 19:10.40 | themill | package version and package name (which includes uname -r) are different things |
| 19:10.46 | dutchfish | tchofor an overview see: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=debian-kernel@lists.debian.org |
| 19:10.58 | dutchfish | oops, that was for Ticho |
| 19:11.05 | Ticho | thanks :> |
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| 19:11.54 | dutchfish | Ticho, i would wait for 2.6.38 stable to roll in |
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| 19:12.59 | oenone | okay, i followed wiki, sound works |
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| 19:17.25 | anddam | I'm going edit the item I need in /usr/share/applications but can anyone enlight me if there's a proper way to edit a .desktop as an user? |
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| 19:21.30 | honschu | Hi, how to disable DPMS in Debian-Squeezy? |
| 19:21.41 | honschu | xset -dpms doesn't work |
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| 19:24.22 | engla | anddam: you can override it in ~/.local/share/applications/ |
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| 19:24.32 | engla | anddam: or edit it with a menu editing program like alacarte |
| 19:24.43 | anddam | engla: am I supposed to manually copy from /usr/share/applications? |
| 19:24.44 | adac | guys, debian in the upgrade to swueeze askes me if "dash" should become the default shell. I answered with yes...is it possible to revert this and set default to bash? |
| 19:24.49 | engla | anddam: (it overrides based on the filename) |
| 19:24.51 | engla | anddam: yes |
| 19:25.06 | engla | anddam: or use alacarte (it's the olny app I know) |
| 19:25.12 | anddam | engla: I'm using lxde and its file editor was probably trying to edit /usr/share |
| 19:25.23 | jeff_hann | adac, your login shell will remain the same |
| 19:25.34 | engla | anddam: which file editor? |
| 19:25.40 | anddam | engla: the internal editor is http://blog.lxde.org/?p=125 |
| 19:25.55 | anddam | sorry, not "file" editor, "menu item" |
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| 19:26.21 | adac | jeff_hann, but what happens when i create a new user? |
| 19:26.25 | engla | anddam: maybe it does the same thing. Anyway, editing the files manually works fine and I prefer it |
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| 19:26.51 | jeff_hann | the default shell for new users, if not specifying otherwise, is still bash |
| 19:26.53 | engla | anddam: there is a lot of stuff that can be confusing especially all the different DE's like NoDisplay= and OnlyShowIn= etc.. http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s05.html |
| 19:26.54 | anddam | engla: I'm fine with that, that's how I did it anyway |
| 19:27.21 | anddam | engla: what DE are you using? |
| 19:27.22 | jeff_hann | adac, so you need not worry |
| 19:27.31 | engla | anddam: GNOME |
| 19:27.35 | MxyzHome | Hi, I just set up a debian stable on a old sun ultra80, with a raptor gfx framebuffer, everything works great, except I get trash left over the mouse path in Xorg, I'm using the glint server, does anybody has a hint on where to search for a fix or a workaround? |
| 19:27.57 | anddam | engla: thanks |
| 19:28.04 | engla | anddam: I develop kupfer, so I've had to get to know .desktop files :-) |
| 19:28.12 | xyzp | hi folks |
| 19:28.15 | anddam | engla: idk kupfer |
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| 19:28.24 | engla | anddam: just an app launcher |
| 19:28.38 | adac | jeff_hann, for what puroĆ¼ose is then this "dash" shell used? |
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| 19:28.46 | adac | *puropse |
| 19:28.51 | adac | purpose :) |
| 19:29.01 | jeff_hann | adac, internally |
| 19:29.37 | engla | adac: ubuntu uses dash because it's allegedly faster at running all the boot shell scripts |
| 19:29.38 | jeff_hann | adac, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_Almquist_shell |
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| 19:29.56 | adac | jeff_hann, engla thx for the info guys |
| 19:30.19 | engla | hmm.. so dash has "Debian" in the name but debian doesn't use it by default? |
| 19:30.46 | themill | engla: no, dash is the default /bin/sh from squeeze onwards/ |
| 19:30.59 | engla | themill: oh it is, fine then |
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| 19:31.42 | tolle | I send people csh scripts just to mess with them sometimes. |
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| 19:32.12 | jelly | tolle: as long as they're properly hashbanged |
| 19:32.19 | jelly | ,versions tcsh |
| 19:32.21 | judd | Package tcsh on i386 -- lenny: 6.14.00-7; sid: 6.17.02-4; squeeze: 6.17.02-4; wheezy: 6.17.02-4 |
| 19:32.40 | jelly | a csh is still available apparently |
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| 19:32.50 | tolle | Yeah its more when they want to do something differently so they have to modify them |
| 19:32.57 | DammitJim | how do I install connman on squeeze (not version 0.48 from repo) |
| 19:32.58 | jelly | ,versions csh |
| 19:33.01 | judd | Package csh on i386 -- lenny: 20070713-1; sid: 20070713-2; squeeze: 20070713-2; wheezy: 20070713-2 |
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| 19:33.29 | tolle | I usually get fairly annoyed with scripts calling on /bin/bash due to running mixed unixes. |
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| 19:33.57 | jelly | tolle: get a decent unix. /bin/bash is there on Solaris 10 |
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| 19:34.17 | babilen | DammitJim: Which version are you after? AFICT .48 is the only version packaged for Debian. |
| 19:34.22 | AthomIk | I use 2 screens, 2 CG, 2 kbd, 2 mouse but i cannot with Ctrl+Alt+F1 go to command console |
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| 19:34.47 | tolle | jelly: not on freebsd by default. |
| 19:34.57 | AthomIk | it s not a great problem, but... |
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| 19:35.09 | tolle | anyway, no need to refer to it if not using specific features from it. |
| 19:35.13 | tolle | but not really a biggie |
| 19:35.17 | AthomIk | Ctrl+Alt+F1 is configured in GDM ? |
| 19:36.26 | DammitJim | babilen, .64 is the latest but 0.48 doesn't work with enlightenment's network manager module |
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| 19:37.07 | AthomIk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:38.04 | babilen | DammitJim: Well, you have a couple of options. You could update the package, which might be as easy as running uupdate. (/msg dpkg uupdate). Also check the new maintainers guide. Another option would be to install it locally in /usr/local - I recommend to use stow to manage local installations. (Ask dpkg about <stow> and <stow usage>) |
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| 19:40.20 | DammitJim | interesting |
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| 19:44.07 | JeremyS | Okay, can someone give me a better explanation of the "package.manpages" file, because the maintainters guide is really unclear as to where it searches for files, where they are supposed to be. |
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| 19:44.59 | Noor_eg | ĆĀ§ĆĀ«ĆĀ
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| 19:45.05 | Noor_eg | hello |
| 19:45.05 | babilen | !tell JeremyS -about mentors |
| 19:45.17 | Noor_eg | i cant install libboost1.40-dev on my debian sqeeze |
| 19:45.30 | babilen | Noor_eg: Why not? |
| 19:45.45 | Noor_eg | E: Package 'libboost1.40-dev' has no installation candidate |
| 19:46.08 | Iridos | judd, versions libboost1.40-dev' |
| 19:46.09 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libboost1.40-dev'' was found in i386. |
| 19:46.10 | Iridos | judd, versions libboost1.40-dev |
| 19:46.11 | judd | Package libboost1.40-dev on i386 -- lenny-backports: 1.40.0-6~bpo50+1 |
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| 19:46.28 | Iridos | not very surprising |
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| 19:46.59 | babilen | Noor_eg: Ah, yes. Apparently it has been removed. It has been obsoleted by .42 -- See http://bugs.debian.org/582967 |
| 19:47.37 | Noor_eg | ty |
| 19:47.59 | babilen | Noor_eg: You might want libboost1.42-dev |
| 19:48.46 | Noor_eg | ty it worked |
| 19:48.48 | Noor_eg | :) |
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| 19:51.08 | chomwitt | how can i see a list of the squeeze backported packages? in backports.debian.org i can only make a search. |
| 19:51.35 | ansgar | chomwitt: http://backports.debian.org/changes/squeeze-backports.html |
| 19:51.41 | themill | !bpo contents |
| 19:51.41 | dpkg | To see a list of packages that are available to you from Debian Backports, first add backports.debian.org to your sources (ask me about <debian-backports>) then "aptitude search ~Vbpo". To determine installed Debian Backports packages, ask me about <bdo list>. |
| 19:53.24 | AthomIk | no see in man xorg.conf how i can see where is configured Ctrl+Alt+F1 F2 etc, only existe option for desactivated this.... |
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| 19:54.33 | miguel000 | how can I change the darkblue color in my terminal to something brighter, because I can not see it on the black background. |
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| 19:55.26 | chomwitt | ansgar: thanks! |
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| 19:56.27 | project2501a | I LOVE YOU DEBIAN |
| 19:56.42 | project2501a | yet another GRnet #linux koooooooootkot kot kot |
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| 19:56.59 | project2501a | gamei to chomwitt |
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| 19:58.11 | yucatan | can i see with the ifconfig command if the network adapter is 100 mb or gigabit? |
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| 20:00.23 | jeff_hann | yucatan, not that I know of |
| 20:01.24 | yucatan | how should i check that?> |
| 20:01.27 | Spec | yucatan: you can try mii-tool |
| 20:01.30 | petemc | ethtool |
| 20:01.33 | Spec | if it supports that |
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| 20:02.47 | yucatan | wich one are default installed? |
| 20:03.15 | yucatan | etchtool command not found |
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| 20:03.39 | yucatan | mii-tool SIOCHMIPHY on eth0 failed operation not suppored no MII interfaces found |
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| 20:05.51 | danielss89 | Hi.. |
| 20:06.05 | Spec | yucatan: your interface doesn't support mii :), so you'll need ethtool. (not etchtool) |
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| 20:06.15 | Burns | Hello |
| 20:06.19 | jeff_hann | yucatan, you have to install it |
| 20:06.19 | danielss89 | i'm trying to upgrade my php to php5.3 but it says that nothing has to be upgraded, when following this guide: http://www.dotdeb.org/2009/11/30/php-5-3-1-packages-for-debian-lenny-theyre-here/ |
| 20:06.19 | Burns | How to know if mysql is running |
| 20:06.32 | jeff_hann | Burns, ps aux | grep mysql |
| 20:07.02 | themill | danielss89: /msg dpkg dotdeb; /msg dpkg php paradox; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 20:07.09 | Burns | root 10160 0.0 0.0 5164 776 pts/0 R+ 21:06 0:00 grep mysql |
| 20:07.11 | karsten-nr | !win jeff_hann |
| 20:07.11 | dpkg | Congratulations, jeff_hann! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 20:07.39 | karsten-nr | Burns: If you're running it through the standard /etc/init.d/ script: /etc/init.d/mysql status |
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| 20:07.47 | karsten-nr | Burns: ... should also turn up something interesting. |
| 20:07.52 | Burns | sh-3.2# /etc/init.d/mysql status |
| 20:07.52 | Burns | sh-3.2# |
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| 20:07.56 | Burns | Nothing show up |
| 20:08.14 | Burns | I think I broke my myqsl |
| 20:08.23 | karsten-nr | Burns: And is there a mysql process running (what jeff_hann showed you)? |
| 20:08.28 | karsten-nr | Burns: Look at the errorlog. |
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| 20:08.58 | jeff_hann | karsten-nr, apparently it isn't a process |
| 20:09.18 | jeff_hann | *there isn't |
| 20:09.32 | karsten-nr | jeff_hann: Ah. I was going to suggest it might be a method, if not a process. |
| 20:10.09 | jeff_hann | karsten-nr, you ok? |
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| 20:10.30 | karsten-nr | jeff_hann: Pretty darn good from what people tell me. |
| 20:10.32 | Rebells__ | hello people, is it safe to remove pulseaudio from debian Squeeze? |
| 20:10.42 | danielss89 | themill can i use backports to install it? |
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| 20:10.57 | Burns | Nothing in the error logs |
| 20:11.00 | karsten-nr | Rebells__: If there is a pulsing red countdown timer on your screen, no, your computer will explode when it hits zero. |
| 20:11.02 | Burns | mysql.err and mysql.log |
| 20:11.04 | karsten-nr | Rebells__: Otherwise, sure. |
| 20:11.11 | Burns | I reinstalled the package probabbly thats why |
| 20:11.18 | Burns | not reinstalled |
| 20:11.24 | jeff_hann | Burns, what if you do /etc/init.d/mysqld start ? |
| 20:11.28 | Burns | but I tried to update using dotdeb |
| 20:11.28 | karsten-nr | Burns: Sorry, you did or didn't reinstall? |
| 20:11.45 | Burns | sh: /etc/init.d/mysqld: No such file or directory |
| 20:11.50 | Rebells__ | karsten-nr: :) thanks |
| 20:11.52 | themill | danielss89: no, the easiest thing to do would be to upgrade to squeeze |
| 20:12.13 | jeff_hann | Burns, dpkg -l | grep mysql |
| 20:12.26 | karsten-nr | Burns: Try starting the process and monitoring the log (tail -f mysqld.err) |
| 20:12.40 | danielss89 | hmm ok |
| 20:12.45 | robokop | i upgraded from lenny to squeeze, and now mdadm doesn't autodetect my raid10 partitions, what to do now (i'm in busybox) |
| 20:13.20 | themill | danielss89, Burns: I wouldn't touch the dotdeb.org packages with a barge pole. They are historically very poor quality packages that pay no attention to providing you with an upgrade path. |
| 20:13.24 | Burns | dpkg -l jeff_hann http://pastebin.com/Rp6LGyrJ |
| 20:13.24 | dpkg | ii jeff_hann http://pastebin.com/Rp6LGyrJ 1.2-15.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 20:14.00 | danielss89 | themill: ok, guess i wont.. i just need php 5.3 on lenny.. |
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| 20:14.26 | themill | danielss89: why does it have to be lenny? |
| 20:14.47 | engla | robokop: this seems related http://www.spinics.net/lists/raid/msg29501.html |
| 20:15.02 | danielss89 | themill: i've got plesk on lenny, and if i upgrade, i think it fucks everything up |
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| 20:15.26 | jeff_hann | Burns, please paste somewhere your sources.list |
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| 20:15.39 | themill | oh... plesk as well. where can it possibly go wrong |
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| 20:16.02 | danielss89 | :D |
| 20:16.05 | danielss89 | i'm lazy.. |
| 20:16.07 | rozie | danielss89: did you check backports? |
| 20:16.13 | Burns | http://pastebin.com/xPjWqPr1 |
| 20:16.16 | danielss89 | rozie: i cant find the php 5.3 package |
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| 20:16.32 | Guest43318 | The problem was caused after updating using dotdeb stable all |
| 20:16.35 | rozie | danielss89: how about dotdeb? |
| 20:16.56 | danielss89 | rozie: its there but it just doesnt upgrade php :S and themill just said i shouldnt touch it :P |
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| 20:17.00 | AlexC_ | morning |
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| 20:17.22 | AlexC_ | if I want to install a package meaning that I can send email out from a few scripts I have, is sendmail a bit over the top? |
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| 20:18.11 | Burns | http://pastebin.com/xPjWqPr1 |
| 20:18.13 | Burns | The problem was caused after updating using dotdeb stable all |
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| 20:18.16 | jeff_hann | Guest43318, wasn't the mysql version in backports satisfying? |
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| 20:18.36 | jeff_hann | looks like dotdeb are known for poot quality |
| 20:18.56 | jeff_hann | s/poot/poor |
| 20:19.22 | Burns | I damaged my mysql since I tried updating using Squeeze packages |
| 20:19.25 | Burns | I didnt know until now |
| 20:19.30 | Burns | As a consequence, you have to take care of the content of your /etc/apt/sources.list file : |
| 20:19.30 | Burns | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:19.55 | Burns | Sorry |
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| 20:20.40 | Burns | Shall I reinstall mysql ? |
| 20:20.43 | runa | heyas. I'm trying to configure my laptop so it can access a remote machine thru the LAN if I'm in the office and using the VPN if I'm outside. What's the best way to do this? I have some plans using nsswitch.conf but I'm not usre |
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| 20:21.33 | jeff_hann | Burns, get rid of dotdeb |
| 20:21.44 | jeff_hann | and reinstall mysql |
| 20:21.48 | jeff_hann | my 2 cents |
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| 20:22.57 | h3sp4wn | runa: You could use iproute2 with 2 seperate and routing tables different weights for the routes |
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| 20:23.08 | Burns | Is there any solution for this mess |
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| 20:23.19 | Burns | I hope I didnt lose my db :( |
| 20:24.02 | runa | h3sp4wn: uhummmm |
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| 20:24.41 | jeff_hann | Burns, you do have backups, dontcha? |
| 20:24.58 | valdyn | Burns: i dont think dotdeb.org stuff is supported by debian |
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| 20:25.23 | Burns | an update can break the db ? |
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| 20:25.50 | h3sp4wn | runa: http://linux-ip.net/html/routing-tables.html |
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| 20:26.00 | runa | h3sp4wn: I find it too complicated :) |
| 20:26.09 | Burns | how to backup my db without having the mysql running ? |
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| 20:26.19 | runa | h3sp4wn: I was expecting to do something with DNS |
| 20:26.52 | dkr | Burns: cp -a |
| 20:27.10 | valdyn | better to do a dump afaik |
| 20:27.26 | jeff_hann | I second that |
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| 20:27.40 | jeff_hann | the binary is mysqldumb afair |
| 20:27.50 | jeff_hann | *mysqldump :)) |
| 20:27.52 | dkr | I missed the scrollback, just saw the question about how to backup without mysql running |
| 20:28.09 | valdyn | yea, i have no idea if it can dump when not running |
| 20:28.13 | dkr | mysqlhotcopy is more efficient than mysqldump, :) if running |
| 20:28.15 | jeff_hann | it can |
| 20:28.42 | Burns | So mysqldump is the way to go |
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| 20:28.50 | runa | h3sp4wn: I did the following: the server runs avahi, so I can refer to it as "srv.local"; so if I'm on the lan it works fine. then, I modify nsswitch and I configured so if mdns4 fails to resolve, it should continue to DNS and I configured my local DNS so srv.local resolves to the VPN ip |
| 20:29.09 | valdyn | Burns: question is why you werent doing automatic dumps |
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| 20:29.53 | robokop | engla, the mdadm --examine --scan --config=partitions does give me the correct output, but when i try to boot further it spews out another error: failed to assemble all arrays |
| 20:29.53 | jeff_hann | yeah, valdyn is right |
| 20:29.59 | jeff_hann | cron jobs are your friend |
| 20:30.20 | AlexC_ | automatic dumps can be dangerous/destructive if only 1 MySQL server |
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| 20:30.34 | valdyn | AlexC_: how so? |
| 20:30.49 | valdyn | AlexC_: or what would be the right way to do backups then? |
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| 20:31.02 | AlexC_ | valdyn: because you're going to have to lock the tables to ensure data consistency, depending on how long the backup take that could take your live website offline for a while |
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| 20:31.30 | AlexC_ | valdyn: there are a few ways, one of them is replication and then you stop the replication on the slave, do the dump, and start replication again |
| 20:31.32 | valdyn | AlexC_: backups have to be done, daily, one way or another |
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| 20:31.51 | jeff_hann | yeah, but AlexC_ has a point |
| 20:31.56 | AlexC_ | valdyn: "have to" depends on your requirements, but read my other comment. You want to do it on a different server |
| 20:32.06 | valdyn | AlexC_: i see |
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| 20:32.43 | AlexC_ | valdyn: if you don't lock the tables you're going to end up with inconsistent backups, and then when you come to restore - you're going to think 'wtf ... why are things broke?' |
| 20:32.50 | valdyn | AlexC_: i have no idea about mysql |
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| 20:33.12 | DusteD | mdadm question, I had a server with two disks in a level 1 raid, now, long story short, all I have is one of the disks, and I've connected it to my desktop to try and recover the data, when I try and mount it, it tells me it's a linux_raid_member, so I figured I need to build the raid to use it, so I used mdadm --build /dev/md1 --force --raid-devices --level=1 /dev/sdd1 (the partition which was used for raid), but trying to mount md1 yields same error, "unk |
| 20:33.12 | DusteD | nown filesystem linux_raid_member", any hints? |
| 20:33.18 | ravage | hey all. i am trying to disable the "required firmware files may me missing" (postinst/missing-firmware" message in the debian-installer via a preseed file. but i somehow cat't find the line for it. |
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| 20:33.59 | ravage | or at lease auto select the "Continue" option |
| 20:34.02 | ravage | *least |
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| 20:34.31 | AlexC_ | valdyn: I'd suggest you read http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/backup-methods.html then which explains quite a few, including binary log backup |
| 20:34.52 | valdyn | AlexC_: thanks, i dont need to know |
| 20:34.54 | bgat | is there a "debian way" of generically catching and logging return codes from things run from init scripts? I'm aware of start-stop-daemon, but it doesn't look like it has any options to work with logger(1) or similar. Suggestions, anyone? I'm trying to identify/implement a generic infrastructure for creating syslog entries when system daemons die... |
| 20:35.17 | AlexC_ | valdyn: you do if you're going to give such potentially dangerous info to users :) |
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| 20:35.55 | valdyn | AlexC_: youre right, in fact i wasnt trying to teach him *how* to do his dumps, just that theres no valid reason why hed not have backups |
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| 20:40.02 | themill | ravage: "debconf-get-selections | grep firmware" will give you the appropriate debconf keys you need to create |
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| 20:45.36 | cronix | good evenin |
| 20:45.45 | dimir | evenin/ |
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| 20:45.51 | ravage | themill: great. thx. testing now |
| 20:46.01 | cronix | anyone know if it is possible to replace the debian linux kernel of an installed OS with the kfreebsd debian kernel? |
| 20:46.14 | cronix | asking because i need zfs |
| 20:46.52 | themill | no, they're different architectures -- you'd need to reinstall |
| 20:47.02 | cronix | hm |
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| 20:47.16 | cronix | and does the freebsd kernel is capable of running on ARM cpu's? |
| 20:47.26 | AlexC_ | cronix: I have to ask, why do you *need* ZFS? |
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| 20:47.44 | ravage | if you really need zfs you should consider some bsd install. we use zfs |
| 20:47.49 | cronix | AlexC_: because i want modular hdd space that is extendable over time with additional hdd's |
| 20:47.53 | ravage | and the debian version is.. nice |
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| 20:48.02 | ravage | but cannot replace the real thing atm |
| 20:48.04 | AlexC_ | cronix: ok, so why do you need ZFS for that? |
| 20:48.06 | valdyn | cronix: you dont need zfs for that |
| 20:48.07 | cronix | anyway i need zfs on an ARM based machine |
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| 20:48.23 | AlexC_ | cronix: take a look at GlusterFS for one |
| 20:48.32 | cronix | ive compared some solutions and zfs was by far the best in my opinion |
| 20:48.43 | project2501a | cronix: apparently it has not crashed on you |
| 20:48.54 | project2501a | clusterfs == clusterfuckfs |
| 20:49.06 | AlexC_ | constructive, I like your style. No wait, I don't. |
| 20:49.08 | cronix | AlexC_: GlusterFS is afaik a network based merging fs |
| 20:49.18 | project2501a | all parallel filesystems suck |
| 20:49.22 | project2501a | gpfs less so |
| 20:49.30 | cronix | well |
| 20:49.36 | project2501a | but it is SUCH a bitch to set up |
| 20:49.41 | project2501a | and get right |
| 20:49.43 | AlexC_ | cronix: sure but you never mentioned the fact. But what is stopping you from using LVM with a different file system? |
| 20:49.45 | project2501a | it's not even funny |
| 20:49.47 | cronix | you ask 10 diffrent ppl and get 10 diffrent answers about what parallel fs is the best |
| 20:49.51 | cronix | in my opinion its zfas |
| 20:49.55 | cronix | so i WANT zfs |
| 20:49.59 | cronix | and not any alternative |
| 20:50.00 | project2501a | cronix: stay away from Luster :P |
| 20:50.10 | AlexC_ | project2501a: you've obviously not tried the 3.1 version .... there is no configuration needed, well - just 1 command and that's it |
| 20:50.15 | AlexC_ | so please, stop spreading FUD |
| 20:50.33 | cronix | so tell me |
| 20:50.37 | project2501a | AlexC_: i got a supercomputer running gpfs. |
| 20:50.39 | valdyn | cronix: theres no debian/kfreebsd doesnt support arm anyway |
| 20:50.44 | cronix | is the debian freebsd kernel capable of running on arm arch? |
| 20:50.47 | AlexC_ | project2501a: and an e-penis to go with it I see |
| 20:50.49 | themill | guys, perhaps you should take this to #my_filesystem_war |
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| 20:50.56 | cronix | themill: thanks |
| 20:51.03 | project2501a | AlexC_: wanna seeeeee? |
| 20:51.26 | AlexC_ | project2501a: yes |
| 20:51.38 | themill | cronix: Debian's GNU/kfreebsd is i386 and amd64 only. |
| 20:51.47 | cronix | damnit |
| 20:51.53 | jelly-home | !damnit |
| 20:51.54 | dpkg | It's spelled dammit, DAMMIT. |
| 20:51.56 | cronix | im forced to arm architecture |
| 20:51.57 | project2501a | slaps it out. |
| 20:52.08 | project2501a | damn it, jannet |
| 20:52.10 | project2501a | slut |
| 20:52.27 | valdyn | i have a feeling that zfs might not be suitable for relatively slow and low on memory arm anyway |
| 20:52.28 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 20:52.40 | AlexC_ | cronix: essentially you don't need ZFS to do what you need. LVM will do what you want just fine with what ever filesystem you want (apart from ZFS :P) |
| 20:52.40 | cronix | valdyn speed isnt the matter |
| 20:52.42 | valdyn | ( if its even ported ) |
| 20:52.48 | cronix | the hdds are usb anyway |
| 20:52.54 | cronix | my setup currently is |
| 20:53.04 | cronix | seagate dockstar that shares my usb hdd's via samba |
| 20:53.26 | valdyn | cronix: what about redundancy in your storage? none? |
| 20:53.27 | cronix | and i want some kind of modular hdd system where i can add hdd's to extend the storage over time |
| 20:53.33 | AlexC_ | *sigh* |
| 20:53.35 | AlexC_ | LVM |
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| 20:53.42 | cronix | AlexC_: sux *cough* |
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| 20:53.52 | valdyn | cronix: this setup sucks if you dont use redundant storage |
| 20:53.57 | tolle | So you want lvm, but you dont want lvm. |
| 20:54.02 | cronix | well i dont care about redundancy |
| 20:54.08 | AlexC_ | cronix: I suck because I'm giving you the correct answer? What ever. |
| 20:54.11 | tolle | Then what the hell sucks about lvm? |
| 20:54.12 | cronix | i just care about storage |
| 20:54.18 | valdyn | cronix: so if one if your 5 disks breaks and you lose all data, thats ok? |
| 20:54.22 | cronix | and i have 2 hdd thats fulkl already |
| 20:54.27 | karsten-nr | AlexC_: It's a well-known fact that the truth sucks. |
| 20:54.31 | AlexC_ | :) |
| 20:55.05 | tolle | Isnt there some fuse thing to bunch together a set of folders? |
| 20:55.10 | cronix | if i understood zfs correctly, when hdd1 breaks only the data on hdd1 is lost |
| 20:55.18 | cronix | thats what i want |
| 20:55.25 | cronix | dont care bout just one hdd |
| 20:55.26 | AlexC_ | cronix: eh? What are you on about? |
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| 20:55.44 | AlexC_ | cronix: that depends entirely how you setup your RAID array, nothing to do with the filesystem |
| 20:55.53 | cronix | i dont want raid |
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| 20:56.00 | cronix | just some kind of merged storage |
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| 20:56.05 | AlexC_ | oh ... my god |
| 20:56.14 | cronix | dont care if you think its insane |
| 20:56.19 | cronix | i want it that way |
| 20:56.23 | valdyn | cronix: youll be better off using each disk as a seperate fs |
| 20:56.23 | cronix | it dosnt matter |
| 20:56.25 | AlexC_ | and *I AM TELLING YOU THE ANSWER* |
| 20:56.26 | cronix | no |
| 20:56.32 | cronix | i just want 1 single samba share |
| 20:56.40 | tolle | http://svn.uvw.ru/mhddfs/trunk/README |
| 20:56.49 | tolle | might be what you want. |
| 20:56.50 | AlexC_ | LVM + RAID. There is your answer. But you don't want the answer, so I give up |
| 20:56.59 | tolle | Thats how I'd do it. |
| 20:57.04 | cronix | AlexC_: because i DON'T want RAID! |
| 20:57.11 | tolle | AlexC_'s solution. |
| 20:57.12 | cronix | tolle: thanks i will have a peek ;) |
| 20:57.26 | AlexC_ | cronix: really? What you described *IS* raid. Moron |
| 20:57.31 | jelly-home | cronix: so share /share, and mount all the disks' filesystems under /share/hd0, /share/hd1, etc |
| 20:57.44 | cronix | jelly-home: nope |
| 20:57.59 | tolle | Good argument there. |
| 20:57.59 | cronix | i want the samba share to appear as 1 single hdd |
| 20:58.00 | valdyn | mhddfs looks good, feature-wise for this |
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| 20:58.09 | cronix | so all files are inside that samba shares root dir |
| 20:58.15 | cronix | jep |
| 20:58.18 | AlexC_ | LVM |
| 20:58.19 | jelly-home | cronix: it's a single hdd with multiple directories. |
| 20:58.21 | cronix | mhddfs looks just perfect |
| 20:58.28 | babilen | cronix: Be that as it may. You have been given useful and correct advice. You can't run Debian/kFreeBSD on your ARM box, so it is either a fuse-based zfs, *BSD (the real thing) or one of the proposed solutions. |
| 20:58.29 | jelly-home | cronix: you can also use the magic of symlinks |
| 20:58.45 | robokop | apperently mdadm can't handle name='host':5 in the /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, but mdadm generates that himself for metadata=1.2 arrays |
| 20:59.29 | jelly-home | robokop: it's funny, isn't it |
| 20:59.44 | jelly-home | robokop: just delete the name=... part |
| 20:59.59 | cronix | tolle: thanks that thing is just what i need :) |
| 21:00.09 | robokop | yeah, fun part is it entered my initramfs |
| 21:00.25 | jelly-home | keep ARRAY /dev/md0 level=... num-devices=... UUID=... |
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| 21:01.17 | jelly-home | robokop: that's not the fun part. The fun part is update-initramfs always uses the autogenerated mdadm.conf for initramfs, and it does NOT use your own fixed copy in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
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| 21:01.35 | jelly-home | ask me how I know! |
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| 21:02.26 | fronix | if i mounted 2 folders with aufs and now want to remove that how do i do it+ |
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| 21:02.55 | jelly-home | robokop: which debian release / version of mdadm package are you using? |
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| 21:03.17 | xelister | is it easy to setup jailed apache+php+mysql ? |
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| 21:04.07 | thewanderer1 | xelister: rather not... it takes jailing all required files within. why would you want to do that? |
| 21:04.17 | robokop | jelly-home: i beg to disagree, i managed to boot into old kernel with initramfs.bak, and manually edited mdadm.conf and update initramfs |
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| 21:05.36 | xelister | thewanderer1: security |
| 21:05.39 | robokop | jelly-home: used mdadm from squeeze |
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| 21:06.13 | thewanderer1 | xelister: Linux has no jails you know. use a proper method like MAC or RBAC (SELinux, grsecurity, SMACK, TOMOYO) |
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| 21:07.29 | Burns | I can't use mysqldump |
| 21:07.31 | Burns | mysqldump: Got error: 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111) when trying to connect |
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| 21:10.42 | jelly-home | robokop: that's good, means they fixed it |
| 21:11.36 | fronix | How do i remove a mount? |
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| 21:11.43 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: openvz / vserver containers are quite well isolated |
| 21:12.20 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: sorry, that's not what ever comes on my mind at the mention of a jail... |
| 21:12.30 | mutante | fronix: umount |
| 21:12.34 | fronix | >< |
| 21:12.35 | ravage | or even lxc should be okay for you |
| 21:12.50 | thewanderer1 | ravage: lxc security is still void :( |
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| 21:13.21 | ravage | i didn't really check what lxc does to prevent access to other processes |
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| 21:13.47 | thewanderer1 | but I do second the OpenVZ suggestion, yes... Vserver is somewhat cluttered and mostly defunct |
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| 21:27.18 | nsi | hi |
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| 21:31.40 | xelister | thewanderer1: which of MAC/RBAC can run on default kernel? |
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| 21:32.14 | thewanderer1 | xelister: SELinux |
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| 21:33.55 | xelister | thewanderer1: oh man :| |
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| 21:34.22 | xelister | thewanderer1: do you know any tips how to make typical apache+php+mysql setup more secure and isolated using selinux? |
| 21:34.50 | thewanderer1 | xelister: no, not without messing everything up (I'm bery bad at SELinux...)... I always isolate using OpenVZ or grsecurity |
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| 21:35.16 | xelister | it's already a vps |
| 21:35.32 | thewanderer1 | full virt or OpenVZ? |
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| 21:35.57 | xelister | not sure. how to check |
| 21:36.07 | ravage | try some uname -a for start |
| 21:36.16 | Samuel2 | can debian be setup with a win 7 as second os? |
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| 21:36.29 | ravage | Samuel2: yes |
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| 21:36.48 | Wipped | when i try to add a script(update-rc.d starttest defaults) i get error: missing LSB tags and overrides. Ho can i fix this? |
| 21:36.54 | Samuel2 | what is the procedure? first win 7 or first debian 6.0? |
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| 21:37.17 | crilly | Is there a kFreeBSD channel? |
| 21:37.26 | ravage | Samuel2: you should start with windows cause win7 will kill your debian boot stuff |
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| 21:38.16 | Wipped | when i try to add a script(update-rc.d starttest defaults) i get error: missing LSB tags and overrides. Ho can i fix this? |
| 21:38.47 | Samuel2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:38.52 | thewanderer1 | Wipped: add an LSB header to the script |
| 21:39.00 | thewanderer1 | Samuel2: no, resizing works in the installer |
| 21:39.15 | ravage | but it does not hurt to leave some free space |
| 21:39.21 | ravage | so no need for resizing then |
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| 21:39.23 | homushi | Samuel2: better leave space for debian untouched |
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| 21:39.42 | Wipped | how does that look like? |
| 21:40.02 | Samuel2 | i noticed that debian also can use the full harddrive (for beginners) or multiple partitions |
| 21:40.10 | Samuel2 | what is wise? |
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| 21:40.57 | Samuel2 | i'm new to debian but have used ubuntu and lubuntu |
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| 21:42.01 | homushi | Samuel2: i prefer to have /home on different partition, so system crash coulddn't affect it, but it's your own choice |
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| 21:42.20 | Samuel2 | isn't debian stable? |
| 21:42.22 | homushi | (and to use it from other *nix systems) |
| 21:42.34 | Samuel2 | i was told debian is more stable then ubuntu |
| 21:42.41 | homushi | debian is stable, but my actions not always wise :) |
| 21:42.47 | homushi | that is correct |
| 21:42.48 | Samuel2 | lol |
| 21:43.00 | ravage | really the wrong place for some ubuntu vs. debian discussion |
| 21:43.05 | karsten-nr | crilly: /msg alis list *bsd* |
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| 21:43.18 | Samuel2 | well i use both later on |
| 21:43.33 | Samuel2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:43.40 | ravage | that's fine ;) |
| 21:44.07 | Bartzy | Hi, |
| 21:44.11 | Samuel2 | i use LXDE since its so resource friendly :) |
| 21:44.20 | Bartzy | I put a script here (iptables script) but it doesn't run on boot: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ |
| 21:44.52 | ravage | Bartzy: made it executable? |
| 21:44.59 | Bartzy | ravage: To root only |
| 21:45.02 | Bartzy | is taht ok ? |
| 21:45.04 | Bartzy | that* |
| 21:45.06 | ravage | yes thats ok |
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| 21:46.02 | ravage | isn't there some iptables-restore tools anyway? |
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| 21:46.35 | jelly-home | ,versions mhddfs |
| 21:46.37 | judd | Package mhddfs on i386 -- lenny: 0.1.12-1; sid: 0.1.37; squeeze: 0.1.37; wheezy: 0.1.37 |
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| 21:49.25 | Bartzy | I have another issue: I start SSH by /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 21:49.34 | Bartzy | no error occures, but no ssh process is started... |
| 21:49.38 | Bartzy | nothing in syslog.. |
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| 21:51.02 | waza-ari | Hey all, i tried to install proftpd in debian squeeze 64 bit. The installation process does not finish, it just stops after a while. Seems like a package problem, this is the whole console output: http://pastie.org/1676015 |
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| 21:51.30 | Mr_Queue | I have two Squeeze boxes. One has /etc/inittab the other doesn't. What would bring that file in? |
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| 21:52.31 | arvind_khadri | Hi, how can I disable dhclient from running at boot, I am using squeeze. |
| 21:52.46 | znull | I ran the update of some packages via apt-get () I can't get it to start anymore mysql, ( any ideea?) where mysql(debian) write the logs? |
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| 21:54.25 | waza-ari | ignore the last warning line, thats an openvz problem |
| 21:55.30 | h3sp4wn | waza-ari: so proftpd is in dpkg -C ? |
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| 21:57.49 | waza-ari | h3sp4wn, dkpg -C gives an empty result |
| 21:59.09 | znull | http://pastie.org/1676211 |
| 21:59.40 | h3sp4wn | waza-ari: That means proftpd is installed ok |
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| 22:00.06 | h3sp4wn | the other stuff is a locale problem I don't know off hand the dpkg trigger to fix it though |
| 22:00.09 | macrobat_ | How do I put lvm capabilities on an initrd? I'm chrooting in, so the kernel in question isn't running. |
| 22:00.15 | h3sp4wn | (might just have to install - locales |
| 22:00.31 | jelly-home | macrobat_: install lvm2, update the initramfs |
| 22:00.52 | h3sp4wn | waza-ari: Are you trying to run it from inetd ? (you can dpkg-reconfigure it to run standalone) |
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| 22:01.05 | macrobat_ | i did that to no avail, how can i check if i really have lvm on the initrd? |
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| 22:01.18 | jelly-home | macrobat_: is your / on a LV? |
| 22:01.21 | h3sp4wn | macrobat_: You can extract it with cpio and gz |
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| 22:01.44 | h3sp4wn | *gzip |
| 22:01.47 | macrobat_ | / is ext4 on lvm |
| 22:01.50 | waza-ari | h3sp4wn: no, i selected standalone |
| 22:01.58 | yucatan | hello guys when i try to run a bash script i get this error |
| 22:01.59 | yucatan | update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing |
| 22:01.59 | yucatan | insserv: warning: script 'K01starttest' missing LSB tags and overrides |
| 22:01.59 | yucatan | insserv: warning: script 'starttest' missing LSB tags and overrides |
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| 22:02.00 | xelister | on aptitude, aptitude keeps saying that mysql-server-5.0 is Untrusted package ... wtf, how to fix this |
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| 22:02.25 | waza-ari | h3sp4wn: after killing the spawned proftp process the installation finishes with error "Cannot start proftpd, please check syntax of your configuration file /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf" |
| 22:02.27 | yucatan | i try to add a script to the startup |
| 22:02.34 | yucatan | then i recieve that error |
| 22:02.38 | jelly-home | macrobat_: make sure you're using root=/dev/mapper/vgname-lvname as a boot parameter. NOT UUID, NOT LABEL, NOT /dev/vgname/lvname |
| 22:02.59 | h3sp4wn | waza-ari: Cannot see anything about that in the log |
| 22:03.06 | h3sp4wn | waza-ari: Is this an upgrade ? |
| 22:03.09 | macrobat_ | jelly-home: in the "linux" line? |
| 22:03.34 | jelly-home | macrobat_: yes. |
| 22:03.43 | waza-ari | h3sp4wn: no, this is a new installation of proftp on a clean debian installation |
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| 22:03.56 | yucatan | somebody? |
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| 22:04.54 | xelister | yucatan: pastebin your problem, we didnt seen it |
| 22:04.57 | xelister | !pastebin |
| 22:04.57 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 22:05.14 | h3sp4wn | waza-ari: Of squeeze right ? |
| 22:05.29 | waza-ari | h3sp4wn, yep, thats squeeze 64 bit |
| 22:05.34 | znull | how do I remove mysql-server without removing other packages? |
| 22:05.49 | jelly-home | macrobat_: initramfs lvm support only checks for that particular form of device, if it finds it it does "vgchange -ay" ie. brings up VGs and LVs |
| 22:06.33 | yucatan | http://paste.debian.net/110778/ |
| 22:07.13 | h3sp4wn | waza-ari: try - installing locales (If you are short on space you can use localepurge later) |
| 22:07.41 | waza-ari | h3sp4wn: the locales package is installed |
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| 22:07.41 | h3sp4wn | waza-ari: then - aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall proftpd (Seems wierd that it absolutely requires update-inetd though) |
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| 22:08.29 | h3sp4wn | waza-ari: or just set all three locale variables to POSIX |
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| 22:10.23 | yucatan | thats was my pastebin |
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| 22:11.32 | waza-ari | h3sp4wn, this command just says, that nothing has changed (0 updatet, 0 installed ...) |
| 22:12.37 | h3sp4wn | waza-ari: Try apt-get instead then - apt-get --reinstall --option="dpkg::Options=--force-confmiss,--force-confnew" proftpd |
| 22:12.49 | h3sp4wn | waza-ari: Try apt-get instead then - apt-get --reinstall --option="dpkg::Options=--force-confmiss,--force-confnew" proftpd-basic |
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| 22:16.02 | xelister | guys? |
| 22:16.06 | xelister | I can not update my system |
| 22:16.20 | xelister | WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! mysql-server-5.0 why this happens? |
| 22:16.22 | wolfric | What would be a good flash player for debian. On previous installs of ubuntu, i found any time i'd try load anything in flash or java, my cpu would sky rocket. If i apt-get install gnash, would it integrate with iceweasel fine? |
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| 22:16.53 | themill | xelister: what command is generating that message? Perhaps put the command and the entire output in a pastebin, along with your sources.list |
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| 22:20.31 | xelister | themill: http://pastebin.com/FU4RxiaA |
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| 22:21.54 | xelister | themill: overall there seems to be a bit of a mess.. some warning and so on.. how to clean up? Especially the mysql server thing |
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| 22:22.32 | themill | xelister: unrelated to this problem -- lenny is no longer "stable" so your apt.conf is wrong; I don't know what sort of strange mix of lenny and squeeze you might have now. |
| 22:23.01 | xelister | huhm |
| 22:23.07 | themill | xelister: the main problem here is that you're trying to use a security mirror that doesn't exist. |
| 22:23.28 | xelister | ok so I should switch to sequeeze? |
| 22:23.34 | xelister | squeeze |
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| 22:24.32 | xelister | themill: assuming I have some things from lenny and some from stable, how to update fully to squeeze |
| 22:24.48 | bolt | you should make a backup of your sql databases pretty darn urgently, and *then* figure out what to do |
| 22:24.50 | themill | xelister: well, if you already have a mixture of lenny and squeeze then you might be better off doing so. But first, let's get your security mirror sorted out -- delete the "2" in ftp2 and it will be fine. (note that isn't really an official security mirror but it is widely used) |
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| 22:25.49 | themill | xelister: when you do that you should be able to "apt-get update" without an error. After that, you can "/msg dpkg not available" to get a list of packages that you have installed that aren't from lenny. |
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| 22:27.59 | ravage | themill: i found the option i need (in debconf-get-selections) but the problems seems to be that the dialog i want to skip appears during the update of the kernel package from 2.6.32-2 to 2.6.32-5 (installer uses 2.6.32-2). so it's already part of the installed system.i tried preseed/early_command to inject the selections to the new target system. but no effect so far. any suggestions? |
| 22:29.32 | themill | ravage: you probably need to set a few extra debconf keys to cover different kernel versions. You could look in the postinst script to see if there's some other knob you can twiddle to turn off the firmware checking entirely. |
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| 22:29.59 | znull | themill : how do I remove mysql-server without removing other packages? |
| 22:30.27 | themill | !wayttd znull |
| 22:30.27 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, znull? |
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| 22:30.55 | znull | themill : mysql-server wont start after some updates.. |
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| 22:31.09 | themill | "some updates"... |
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| 22:31.25 | znull | themill: from 5.0, to 5.1 |
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| 22:31.59 | themill | znull: updating from lenny to squeeze, you mean? |
| 22:33.01 | znull | themill : yes |
| 22:33.41 | themill | !squeeze mysql |
| 22:33.42 | dpkg | Following an upgrade from lenny to squeeze, the "mysql-server-5.1" package is often not installed as a replacement to "mysql-server-5.0". "aptitude install mysql-server-5.1"; you may also need to update any customisations to your server configuration from 5.0 to 5.1. |
| 22:33.53 | themill | znull: is "mysql-server-5.1" installed? |
| 22:35.42 | wolfric | http://pastebin.com/szn2CgxL i'm getting this error. I have firmware-linux-nonfree installed. Any ideas? |
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| 22:36.57 | xelister | themill: what is the officiall/more correct security mirror? |
| 22:37.03 | znull | themill: mysql Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.1.56, for debian-linux-gnu (x86_64) using readline 5.2 |
| 22:37.05 | macrobat_ | i can't extract the initrd, seems it's neither gz nor cpio, "lvm" and "vgchange -aly" is mentioned in it when i open it with an hex editor |
| 22:37.10 | themill | wolfric: you need firmware-iwlwifi; /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 22:37.31 | themill | dpkg: tell xelister about lenny security |
| 22:38.12 | xelister | themill: to upgrade to squeeze, just rename to squeeze all in sources.list and run aptitude update and dist-upgrade ? will it not trigger a kernel update? Im on a VPS. |
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| 22:38.29 | macrobat_ | so the initrd can detect/read logical volumes? why can't i boot? "Gave up waiting for root device." and "/dev/mapper/vg_ssd-lv_blah1 does not exist." |
| 22:38.39 | Syloq | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.46 | themill | xelister: you might like to double check with your VPS provider. You should also read the release notes -- there's more to it than that. /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 22:38.51 | macrobat_ | what format is an initrd? |
| 22:39.29 | xelister | how secure will be squeeze, can I make it more secure without changing kernel? |
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| 22:40.32 | macrobat_ | you'll need a never kernel than the lenny default for udev, iirc |
| 22:40.51 | xelister | hm |
| 22:41.10 | macrobat_ | !udev |
| 22:41.10 | dpkg | [udev] /dev/ and hotplug management daemon. Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, dependent upon a Linux kernel >= 2.6.15 (>= 2.6.27 for Squeeze). Ask me about <70>, <udev squeeze>, <udev rules>, <udev details>, <.dev>, <dpin>. http://wiki.debian.org/udev http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html |
| 22:41.30 | Sia- | xelister if you are using admin tool like plesk, cpane ..etc just contact provider before upgrade |
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| 22:41.54 | wolfric | themill: do you know how to load the driver in without restarting? |
| 22:42.08 | macrobat_ | yes, looka t the udev squeeze factoid |
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| 22:42.40 | xelister | Sia-: ok |
| 22:42.45 | themill | xelister, macrobat_: you may not have udev installed on a VPS. |
| 22:43.10 | xelister | themill: ok so I should verify that given VPS will run squezee fine |
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| 22:43.24 | themill | wolfric: "modprobe -r iwlagn; modprobe iwlagn" |
| 22:43.31 | Sia- | wolfric firmware need restart to load it |
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| 22:43.51 | Sia- | themill that not working everytime |
| 22:43.57 | wolfric | themill: how'd you know it was iwlang? |
| 22:43.57 | xelister | are there ways to make LAMP more secure on a vps (without using speciall kernel)... is apache by default builded with some PIC protection? is mem randomization on? |
| 22:44.10 | themill | Sia-: works for me for that card |
| 22:44.24 | themill | wolfric: from your error message |
| 22:44.44 | wolfric | themill: module not found |
| 22:44.52 | wolfric | themill: is there a place where they'd all be stored? |
| 22:44.53 | Sia- | it was project, which allow load the new kernel without restating, but isn't reall yet |
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| 22:45.14 | themill | wolfric: "lsmod|grep iwl" |
| 22:45.46 | wolfric | themill: that's only if they're loaded though right? |
| 22:46.00 | themill | wolfric: well unless you unloaded them, they are |
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| 22:46.56 | phogg | Sia-: it can be done with kexec IIRC, it's real but a gimmick |
| 22:47.23 | Sia- | hmm, nice |
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| 22:50.50 | macrobat_ | jelly-home: i chrooted in and regenerated the initrd. same as before, the lv isn't found, i just get a busybox. |
| 22:51.23 | jelly-home | macrobat_: and verified the root= device? |
| 22:51.56 | macrobat_ | verify how? you mean check the line in the menu entry? |
| 22:52.10 | jelly-home | and what the kernel gets in busybox, yes |
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| 22:52.26 | macrobat_ | idk how to use a busybox |
| 22:52.35 | jelly-home | you know you can edit the command line in the grub menu, right |
| 22:52.39 | macrobat_ | yes |
| 22:52.52 | jelly-home | macrobat_: just cat /proc/cmdline in busybox |
| 22:54.02 | macrobat_ | root=/dev/mapper/vg_ssd-debbie1-lv |
| 22:54.24 | jelly-home | that seems wrong |
| 22:54.39 | macrobat_ | sry root=/dev/mapper/vg_ssd-debbie1_lv |
| 22:54.45 | jelly-home | better |
| 22:55.03 | jelly-home | hmph |
| 22:55.21 | jelly-home | macrobat_: I guess /dev/mapper/ is rather empty in busybox? |
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| 22:55.40 | jelly-home | apart from the control device |
| 22:55.41 | macrobat_ | according to cmp, the older initrd differed from the never |
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| 22:56.14 | macrobat_ | just control in there |
| 22:56.33 | jelly-home | can you do a "vgchange -ay" manually and take a look again |
| 22:57.28 | macrobat_ | this is the corresponding grub menu entry http://paste.debian.net/110776/ |
| 22:57.37 | macrobat_ | "No volume groups found" |
| 22:58.39 | jelly-home | so the lvm binaries (= vgchange) are there, but they don't find your PV(s) |
| 22:59.31 | jelly-home | a different failure mode than what I've seen so far |
| 22:59.39 | macrobat_ | should i put a debian on a plain ext3, modprobe dm-mod and regenerate initrd and copy it back? |
| 23:01.13 | jelly-home | this is likely solvable but I'm too tired to think of the next step |
| 23:01.59 | macrobat_ | we can have fun with this all week, i'm in no hurry :D |
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| 23:02.16 | jelly-home | might be worth looking at the contents of initramfs, doing vgcfgbackup in the chroot and another update-initramfs |
| 23:02.36 | jelly-home | also |
| 23:02.40 | jelly-home | !debug initramfs |
| 23:02.40 | dpkg | [initramfsdebug] http://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug |
| 23:03.33 | jelly-home | macrobat_: do you know which device (or partition) is your PV? Is it present in the initramfs /dev ? |
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| 23:05.43 | thewanderer1 | xelister: see this for info on executable protections (I had to dig really hard): http://grsecurity.net/~spender/checksec-new.sh |
| 23:05.58 | Xocolate | hello |
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| 23:06.19 | Xocolate | I need to change debian floppy discs to a iso image. Is it possible? |
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| 23:07.12 | blsecres | any graphviz users? arrowtails working for you on stable? |
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| 23:10.40 | macrobat_ | jelly-home: the pv is on /dev/sdc2 |
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| 23:12.32 | arvind_khadri | hi, how do I get the intel-agp driver ? |
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| 23:14.50 | Xocolate | I need to change debian floppy discs to a iso image. Is it possible? |
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| 23:15.32 | macrobat_ | Xocolate: how old are those floppies? |
| 23:15.55 | Sia- | i dont know, i do everything with my ipv6 configurations but as you see doesn't work, can you look at the interface file if something is wrong? |
| 23:15.57 | Sia- | http://pastebin.com/1KWBBbz2 |
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| 23:17.52 | xelister | thewanderer1: yeah... need speciall kernel |
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| 23:18.02 | Xocolate | i donĀ“t know |
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| 23:18.35 | Xocolate | there is a system in a customer that image is started by 4 floppy discs (1 boot, 2 and 3 drivers e 4 utilities) |
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| 23:19.33 | thewanderer1 | xelister: the script I've pointed you to is used for analysing different binaries and whether they have ASLR/relro/stack canary enabled... you wanted to know whether Apache has these protections enabled, I gave you a way to check this - now if you want to enable them if they're disabled: http://wiki.debian.org/Hardening |
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| 23:25.05 | Xocolate | any idea? |
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| 23:29.06 | AthomIk | Xocolate: a colector system... now pc haven t floppy drive, or usb but not in use for system |
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| 23:30.57 | Xocolate | i know... the problem is: I need to reinstall the system and my image is that 4 floppy discs images (*.img) and i need put the machines working... so I need to change the images *.img to iso or another thing that works |
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| 23:34.40 | dondelelcaro | retrospectacus: your clock is way out of the offset that it should have for whatever reason. |
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| 23:36.50 | AthomIk | Xocolate: is debian system ? |
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| 23:38.18 | Xocolate | yes |
| 23:38.41 | Xocolate | a debian customized by the customer... a cash system |
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| 23:43.08 | AthomIk | Xocolate: google say yes http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/floppy_image_on_cd.htm |
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| 23:46.18 | Samuel2 | so i managed to install debian |
| 23:46.27 | Samuel2 | got the wifi working too |
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| 23:46.29 | tux0 | Samuel2 that is great news! |
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| 23:46.43 | Samuel2 | but how to update? |
| 23:46.50 | Samuel2 | sudo apt-get update |
| 23:46.54 | Samuel2 | doesnt work |
| 23:47.07 | Samuel2 | is says i'm not in a sudolist orso? |
| 23:48.17 | AthomIk | Samuel2: man sudo or su - and give root password after you can update and upgrade |
| 23:48.26 | tux0 | Samuel2 do you know about the wiki http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 23:48.43 | Samuel2 | so man sudo or su, would sudo su work? |
| 23:49.37 | Samuel2 | i'll look into the wiki |
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| 23:50.36 | tux0 | Samuel2 I'm not sure if it is explained there but you sounded new and the wiki is a good resource along with the manual pages :) |
| 23:50.53 | Samuel2 | new to debian at least, used ubuntu though |
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| 23:53.51 | themill | Samuel2: http://wiki.debian.org/sudo may be of interest. sudo is not configured by default on debian in the same way as on Ubuntu. "adduser your_username sudo" then log out and log back in should be enough. |
| 23:58.32 | Samuel2 | thanks themill |
| 23:58.43 | Samuel2 | very usefull stuff |
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