| 00:00.07 | tuxcrafter | i installed it yesterday :D |
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| 00:00.21 | babilen | tuxcrafter: isn't it still in experimental? |
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| 00:00.36 | babilen | ,kernel --release experimental --arch amd64 |
| 00:00.38 | judd | (kernel [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
| 00:00.48 | Bop | anyone have any ideia how to increase the timeout values for totem / gstreamer ? |
| 00:00.52 | Tiktalik | babilen: thanks |
| 00:01.00 | babilen | Tiktalik: no problem |
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| 00:01.21 | Tiktalik | babilen: os-prober? |
| 00:01.30 | babilen | Tiktalik: yes |
| 00:01.37 | Tiktalik | also, what about partitions and stuff |
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| 00:01.46 | babilen | !tell Tiktalik -about os-prober |
| 00:02.04 | Tiktalik | Ah |
| 00:02.09 | babilen | Tiktalik: What about it? |
| 00:02.25 | Tiktalik | I don't know what to do about those |
| 00:02.43 | Tiktalik | !tell babilen thank-you |
| 00:02.51 | Tiktalik | (seeing if that will work) |
| 00:02.53 | Tiktalik | lol |
| 00:02.57 | babilen | Tiktalik: I am, however, the wrong person to ask about windows. I don't know how it works these days. |
| 00:03.07 | Tiktalik | Ah. |
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| 00:04.04 | babilen | !tell Tiktalik -about dual boot guide |
| 00:04.18 | babilen | Tiktalik: That should hopefully answer your questions. |
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| 00:05.51 | themill | tuxcrafter: the old package was removed from experimental following the upload to unstable; the experimental package is still on some mirrors, the unstable package is yet to hit some mirrors. |
| 00:06.19 | tuxcrafter | themill: ack thanks for this info!!\ |
| 00:06.28 | tuxcrafter | i was afraid there was a bug with it |
| 00:06.43 | babilen | quite the opposite :) |
| 00:06.53 | tuxcrafter | indeed it runs good here |
| 00:07.04 | tuxcrafter | it solved some major issues with mvsas driver |
| 00:07.06 | tuxcrafter | and libsas |
| 00:07.14 | tuxcrafter | still testing |
| 00:07.36 | WormFood | why is it, that bash completion seems to get screwed up rather frequently (relatively speaking)....if I 'cd' to a directory with spaces in it, it properly escapes the spaces with a backslash, but when I try to play a movie with mplayer, the tab completion for the video file is totally fucked (no escaping of spaces) |
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| 00:09.24 | Tiktalik | Thanks |
| 00:09.26 | themill | WormFood: wfm with mplayer and an mp3. |
| 00:09.42 | WormFood | if I hit tab where I have more than one choice, it simply WILL NOT complete the name, unless I go back and put it inside of double quotes....and the fun part is, if I type something like cd ../"some file<tab>, it changes it to cd ../"../some file |
| 00:10.16 | WormFood | themill, this is a bash-completion thing, it has nothing to do with mplayer |
| 00:10.32 | WormFood | I only use that as a concrete example of how it is not working right |
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| 00:10.54 | themill | yes, I just did "touch /tmp/foo\ bar.mp3" and then could "mplayer /tmp/f<tab>" without any issues |
| 00:11.16 | themill | WormFood: programs do sometimes have extra functions that change how their tab completion works |
| 00:11.39 | WormFood | yes themill, I'm aware of that, however, it is broken with EVERYTHING that I've seen, so far, except 'cd' |
| 00:12.07 | themill | WormFood: wfm with mplayer and an mp3. |
| 00:12.23 | WormFood | even "ls" won't work properly with tab completion |
| 00:12.32 | WormFood | wfm? |
| 00:12.47 | themill | "works for me" |
| 00:13.01 | WormFood | that is not helpful |
| 00:13.11 | WormFood | why does this keep breaking rather frequently? |
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| 00:13.17 | WormFood | it seem like it breaks after a few updates |
| 00:13.47 | GinTonicool | what's wrong buddy ? |
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| 00:13.52 | WormFood | and this has been going on for a long time....sometimes they fix it...but god damn! this has been going on for over 2 weeks now, with no fixes....what the fuck? I expect better from debian |
| 00:13.53 | themill | WormFood: "Works for me" is also another way of saying that it's likely to be a local problem... |
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| 00:14.19 | WormFood | a "local problem"? how? I've not changed ANYTHING related to bash completion...EVERYTHING related to that is debian stock |
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| 00:15.54 | WormFood | if I delete the bash completion related variables, then it works fine (just 'su - username', and it will work as expected....but a comparison of the environment shows it is not the same) |
| 00:16.38 | WormFood | so that tells me, that debian screwed up something, somewhere along the line...this NEVER just happens...it ALWAYS happens after an update. |
| 00:17.38 | WormFood | I'm not doing anything weird with my system...I'm not installing weird packages from untrusted sources |
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| 00:18.48 | themill | that it works differently between su - username and however else you are invoking your shell implicates something in your .bash{rc,_profile}. (It might be that in the shell where it is working properly, you have no programmable bash completion functions loaded at all) |
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| 00:20.02 | WormFood | no, it is the other way around...it is in the shell where it is NOT working....and when it does work, it is NOT THERE |
| 00:20.29 | themill | EPARSE |
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| 00:21.04 | WormFood | no variable with that name |
| 00:22.01 | xk | [ 7.747781] udev[611]: renamed network interface eth0 to eth0-eth1 |
| 00:22.07 | xk | how do you disable that turd renaming system? |
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| 00:22.45 | themill | xk: /msg dpkg 70 |
| 00:22.52 | themill | WormFood: there were five undefined "it"s in what you said and far too much yelling. Have fun. |
| 00:23.01 | Unirgy | hi, my apt installed php is stuck on 5.2, i've probably limited it somewhere but can't find where... any ideas where it can be? |
| 00:23.12 | themill | !php paradox |
| 00:23.12 | dpkg | The PHP paradox is that the people running lenny with php 5.2 want to have php 5.3... while the people running squeeze with php 5.3 want to have php 5.2. This is actually a sad indictment of both php and the applications written in it. |
| 00:23.28 | themill | Unirgy: php5.3 is available in squeeze; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze. |
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| 00:23.36 | xk | lol @ php paradox. so true. I need php 5.2 on squeeze systems. |
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| 00:23.57 | xk | themill: tried that... doesn't work for vyatta. |
| 00:24.07 | Unirgy | i actually don't have debian, i have ubuntu, but no one answers. i have 10.04 which has 5.3, thought maybe someone can help with the configuration of apt |
| 00:24.34 | themill | Unirgy: I wouldn't have a clue what php is available in ubuntu, but #ubuntu will know. |
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| 00:25.04 | themill | Unirgy: they are unlikely to change versions of packages like php after release, however. |
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| 00:25.26 | WormFood | themill, I thought that was obvious, since you were using "it" so undefined...but it is obvious you don't want to help, since it works for you, and you see no problem :P |
| 00:26.00 | pyrophelia | quick question, is it possible to force mdadm to check itself? I know it does that automatically but I just had to recover from a pretty bad failure and I lost 3 drives in a raid6 due to a bad sector. I zero'd out the bad sector so now I just want to make sure the data is ok. |
| 00:26.31 | themill | WormFood: I honestly have no idea what you meant in "it is in the shell where it is NOT working....and when it does work, it is NOT THERE" that is any different to my last suggestion to you. |
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| 00:27.08 | themill | WormFood: that you felt the need to argue and yell implies that you disagree with my suggestion that the absence of programmable completion in the shell made it work. |
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| 00:27.24 | themill | but that's forgetting that you like to just rant and yell anyway... |
| 00:27.27 | pyrophelia | anyone? |
| 00:27.40 | WormFood | the bash completion variables are not present in the shell where bash completion works....where bash completion does not work, where the variables are present |
| 00:27.51 | WormFood | I was yelling? when? |
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| 00:27.57 | themill | WormFood: which is what I suggested. |
| 00:28.22 | WormFood | suggested what? |
| 00:28.30 | themill | but you're right, I don't want to help. |
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| 00:28.54 | WormFood | clearly |
| 00:29.10 | xk | how do I make a service stop before another service? |
| 00:29.30 | pyrophelia | xk: as in? |
| 00:29.32 | themill | xk: lsb headers should allow that |
| 00:30.02 | xk | pyrophelia: service A depends on networking, and service B provides networking. |
| 00:30.23 | xk | however, service B is stopped before service A |
| 00:30.35 | pyrophelia | init scripts or manually started? |
| 00:30.40 | xk | init scripts |
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| 00:30.56 | pyrophelia | change the value of the ## at the end of the script |
| 00:31.03 | pyrophelia | the higher the number the later they'll execute |
| 00:31.10 | themill | pyrophelia: not with squeeze |
| 00:31.32 | pyrophelia | I'll bow to themill, i'm xp with init is pretty lame. |
| 00:31.38 | pyrophelia | s/i'm/my |
| 00:31.42 | AthomIk | bye |
| 00:31.48 | themill | xk: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts and "man insserv" talk about this. You can edit the dependencies in the script or in the override directory as described in insserv(8). |
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| 00:32.26 | pyrophelia | so no way to force a md raid6 check? |
| 00:32.31 | pyrophelia | bah |
| 00:32.48 | pyrophelia | I don't like the new .30 kernels |
| 00:33.08 | pyrophelia | back in 2.6.16 I could echo "check" > /sys/block/md/foo/bar and it would check itself |
| 00:33.35 | pyrophelia | it's retarded there's manual way of doing that |
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| 00:34.21 | Burns | Hello |
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| 00:34.42 | Burns | I would like to kick people outside my machine |
| 00:35.06 | pyrophelia | easy enough, strap on some tims |
| 00:35.13 | pyrophelia | sorry had to do it >< |
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| 00:36.17 | jhutchins_lt | pyrophelia: Touch /forcefsck |
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| 00:36.34 | WormFood | finally has a potential buyer for his usb-to-boot, kicking machine |
| 00:37.19 | pyrophelia | forcefsck? |
| 00:37.26 | pyrophelia | I'm sure i could run xfs_check but I don't want to get there just yet |
| 00:37.40 | pyrophelia | I just want to run md parity check |
| 00:37.45 | pyrophelia | didn't think of touch |
| 00:38.43 | pyrophelia | don't think touch is what i'm looking for |
| 00:39.20 | xk | hmmm |
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| 00:40.29 | pyrophelia | Burns, do you know the PID of the users you want to kick and from what service are they logging in? |
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| 00:41.07 | WormFood | PROBLEM SOLVED! Just uninstall the offending package, and while I get less functionality, I get a lot less headache too |
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| 00:42.13 | pyrophelia | how do you force the creation of a new syslog? |
| 00:42.24 | pyrophelia | I know there's a command, just can't remember |
| 00:42.26 | Guest56970 | Nope pynonoir |
| 00:42.43 | pyrophelia | Hello Guest56970 |
| 00:43.01 | Guest56970 | hi |
| 00:43.27 | WormFood | pyrophelia, are you thinking about logrotate? |
| 00:43.28 | pyrophelia | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.28 | xk | themill: ok... once the init script has been updated... what is next? |
| 00:43.36 | pyrophelia | yea I think that was it |
| 00:43.59 | Guest56970 | I see 16484 ? Ss 0:00 sshd: burn3rs [priv] |
| 00:44.07 | Guest56970 | 3 times, so it should be one of them |
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| 00:44.19 | Guest56970 | I think the other 2 users are idling |
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| 00:45.04 | pyrophelia | xk: either reboot or type /etc/init.d/foobar restart |
| 00:45.17 | pyrophelia | but I have a feeling i'm wrong again :P |
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| 00:45.49 | themill | xk: that's where I get quite sketchy in my knowledge of this... you need to tell insserv that it should recalculate the dependencies. I understand that both "insserv" and "update-rc.d" can cause this to happen but have never fired this in anger yet.... |
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| 00:46.42 | xk | the reason this is happening is because i'm playing around with a debian-based distro (vyatta)... and unfortunately... networking is stopped before other networking-depending services. |
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| 00:46.49 | xk | services that I added myself ;) |
| 00:47.08 | pyrophelia | raises his hand |
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| 00:47.12 | pyrophelia | why is networking stopping at all? |
| 00:47.23 | xk | because I am shutting down the server? |
| 00:47.28 | pyrophelia | oh nm |
| 00:47.44 | xk | and the networking depending service requires network communications in order to shut down. |
| 00:48.23 | themill | xk: just running "insserv" might be enough -- that seemed to cause it to recalculate /etc/init.d/.depend.* here. |
| 00:48.56 | pyrophelia | screen halt |
| 00:48.58 | pyrophelia | ^^ |
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| 00:49.43 | pyrophelia | dont need a network connection for that, but ignore me again. I obviously don't know what you need ;x |
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| 00:50.06 | xk | hmm... how would I make it start before the other service? |
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| 00:50.26 | xk | pyrophelia: it's a daemon/config synchronisation tool :) |
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| 00:50.33 | xk | so if no network, it doesn't know what to do properly |
| 00:50.41 | whalesalad | hey guys, any way to set the global PYTHONHOME? I want to ensure that 2.5 is never used, and 2.6 is always used. |
| 00:50.43 | xk | it probably wants the interface to be up. |
| 00:50.44 | pyrophelia | cluster node? |
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| 00:50.47 | xk | yes |
| 00:50.56 | pyrophelia | ah |
| 00:51.22 | xk | well... I ran insserv... still doing the same old order. |
| 00:51.28 | pyrophelia | I don't know much about scripting but if you want 1 init script to start before other's the easiest would be to lower the init lvl of the script and increase the others |
| 00:51.35 | xk | sure |
| 00:51.51 | pyrophelia | aka the noob way |
| 00:51.54 | pyrophelia | but it works for me :P |
| 00:51.58 | xk | do you think I dont know that after using linux for 16 years? |
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| 00:52.19 | pyrophelia | don't know who you are or how many years you've been using it |
| 00:52.23 | pyrophelia | just syaing |
| 00:52.25 | pyrophelia | saying* |
| 00:52.50 | xk | dont bother helping if you dont know. |
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| 00:55.07 | xk | hmmm... |
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| 00:56.40 | Brando1995 | hey, what does it mean if I got my wireless card to find networks but it cant connect |
| 00:57.08 | pyrophelia | bad pass or wrong encryption |
| 00:57.15 | xk | not sure why this service dependency change is not changing. |
| 00:57.59 | Brando1995 | pyrophelia, it is not badd pass. It works fine on win7 but on ubuntu it wont work |
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| 00:58.22 | pyrophelia | uh oh... |
| 00:58.30 | xk | fix0red. |
| 00:58.41 | xk | using $all for Should-Start and Should-Stop works :) |
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| 00:59.29 | Brando1995 | pyrophelia, I guess il take off security and try it then if it doesnt work i know its something with linux |
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| 01:00.01 | Brando1995 | googling showed wpa_supplicant might be the culprit. But i cant install that witout internet |
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| 01:03.13 | xk | hmmm more problems. |
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| 01:11.06 | xk | cool. fixed again. |
| 01:11.19 | xk | gotta have the interface up in order for the network services to listen to it. |
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| 01:13.42 | xk | awesome |
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| 01:21.48 | xk | er... it's 50 / 50 :( |
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| 01:22.43 | xk | lol @ service. you cannot do "restart" but "stop" then "start" |
| 01:22.55 | xk | all the init scripts are broken in one way or another. |
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| 01:25.56 | Bop | how to reinstall a package and all its dependencies ? |
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| 01:33.14 | jenev | has anyone every install debian and then can't see anything on the screen? |
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| 01:34.52 | olaaaaaaa | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.02 | jmarsden | !es |
| 01:35.02 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 01:40.38 | rgr | jenev: Stevie Wonder? |
| 01:41.15 | jenev | lmao |
| 01:41.36 | jenev | why would he be installing it in the first place |
| 01:42.49 | dvs | jenev: check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file |
| 01:42.58 | yagoo | did the macbooker resolve? |
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| 01:44.13 | jenev | if something i there is wrong will it give a error that says undefined video number? |
| 01:44.19 | jenev | cause i get that too |
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| 01:47.07 | emerson | I'm about to install squeeze in my machine, but I believe I gonna have problem with nvidia drivers for amd64 so what shall I do then to avoid this hassle |
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| 01:49.32 | xk | i cant believe the number of non-compliant init scripts. |
| 01:49.52 | xk | well... it doens't help that pacemaker doesn't handle exit codes other than 0 and 1 |
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| 01:50.08 | jmarsden | xk: Submit bug reports, with patches if you can. |
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| 01:55.00 | xk | jmarsden: what's the preferred process to submit bug reports? |
| 01:55.19 | dvs | xk: reportbug |
| 01:55.22 | xk | heh, and one script, if you do status, doesnt return an exit code other than 0! |
| 01:55.29 | xk | dvs: on the offending machine? |
| 01:55.41 | dvs | xk: yes |
| 01:55.46 | jmarsden | xk: See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 01:56.24 | xk | although I consider pacemaker to be the primary bug since it cannot handle exit codes other than 0 and 1 |
| 01:56.34 | xk | or rather, the init lsb handler. |
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| 01:58.04 | bgat | anyone here know what my options are for mounting a tar file as a filesystem? I recall tarfs from long, long ago; I'm wondering if there is a modern equivalent? |
| 01:59.50 | un214 | there is |
| 02:00.12 | un214 | I don't recall the name offhand, but it's a userspace filesystem that mounts 90% or so of unix archive formats |
| 02:00.47 | bgat | oooh, that sounds exactly like what I'm looking for... |
| 02:01.36 | crapeau | Im trying to make Xorg work with an intel 82852G ang inteldrmfb, any body succeded ?? |
| 02:01.41 | xk | archivemount? |
| 02:02.19 | dvs | no toad ;-) |
| 02:02.32 | yagoo | bgat, i believe that will take fusefs |
| 02:03.25 | xk | it's in sid. hmmm |
| 02:03.37 | un214 | yagoo: exactly, now what's the name of the bloody thing |
| 02:03.39 | xk | judd: info archivemount/sid |
| 02:03.39 | judd | No record of package 'archivemount/sid' in squeeze/i386. |
| 02:03.43 | xk | judd: info archivemount sid |
| 02:03.43 | judd | Package archivemount (utils, optional) in sid/i386: mounts an archive for access as a file system. Version: 0.6.1-1; Size: 20.3k; Installed: 88k; Homepage: http://www.cybernoia.de/software/archivemount/ |
| 02:04.09 | xk | lol @ homepage. it's just a directory index. |
| 02:04.18 | crapeau | is'nt it a princess kissing the toad?? |
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| 02:06.13 | yagoo | bill gates left |
| 02:06.16 | yagoo | good :) |
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| 02:06.53 | bgat | I'm back. Darned wifi... :( |
| 02:07.00 | crapeau | yagoo: you mean stop to influence ??? :-)) |
| 02:07.00 | bgat | What did I miss? :) |
| 02:07.13 | yagoo | bgat, come bill .. stop using windows :p |
| 02:07.20 | dvs | bgat: a hurd of buffalo! |
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| 02:08.00 | tuxicano_ | hi there |
| 02:08.37 | tuxicano_ | I'm having some trouble with dpkg |
| 02:08.48 | bgat | yagoo: actually, it's a brand-new eeepc running Debian--- and the wifi driver isn't quiiiiiite ready for prime-time yet apparently :) |
| 02:09.00 | tuxicano_ | http://www.meego.de/forum/sonstiges/13593-python-problem.html |
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| 02:09.03 | prince_jammys | !confuse tuxicano_ |
| 02:09.03 | dpkg | Yes, them are my badger yesterday, tuxicano_? Wellies of the People's Republic of Tibet with extra cream. |
| 02:09.14 | yagoo | eeeeek!! !eeepc |
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| 02:09.33 | yagoo | tuxicano_ , there a debian wiki for dat |
| 02:09.34 | tuxicano_ | ^^ |
| 02:10.14 | bgat | yagoo: :) |
| 02:10.16 | tuxicano_ | ok I'll take a look |
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| 02:10.44 | yagoo | !eeepc |
| 02:10.44 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM ASUS Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by ASUS. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net for support. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1c>. Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 02:12.10 | bgat | yagoo: thanks for the link! |
| 02:12.16 | ebegin | I installed a package (v3.0) using apt-get install and now, I want to compile a project that requires a more recent one (4.1). When i try to compile my projet, it seems that it still get the 3.0 include files. |
| 02:12.26 | ebegin | any clue ? |
| 02:12.55 | rgr | what package? |
| 02:13.01 | ebegin | YAZ |
| 02:13.05 | ebegin | from index data |
| 02:13.28 | emerson | how do I install nvidia drives for squeeze...? |
| 02:14.00 | rgr | yaz in squeeze is 4.0.11 |
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| 02:14.58 | rgr | emerson : "sudo m-a a-i nvidia" perhaps. |
| 02:15.26 | tuxicano_ | yagoo: my search wasn't successful |
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| 02:15.35 | tuxicano_ | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of python-setuptools: |
| 02:15.36 | dpkg | tuxicano_: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>. |
| 02:15.36 | tuxicano_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.36 | tuxicano_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.41 | ebegin | rgr, hmmm, i may have to compile it manually. |
| 02:15.52 | rgr | why? |
| 02:16.10 | rgr | are you sure it needs 4.1? |
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| 02:16.28 | ebegin | I want to compile pazpar2 (also from indexdata) |
| 02:16.31 | rgr | I ask because sid is only 4.0.11 too |
| 02:17.06 | ebegin | hmmm, I'm getting "configure: error: 3.0.52. Requires YAZ 4.1.0 or later |
| 02:18.27 | bgat | if I do a "dpkg --install a.deb b.deb" and a.deb has an install dependency on b.deb, will dpkg install the two packages in the right order? |
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| 02:18.40 | un214 | yes |
| 02:18.59 | kerx | what's going on? |
| 02:19.44 | bgat | un214: then why is it that if I have a large set of packages e.g. all the packages needed to do an xorg install, and I do dpkg --install *.deb, I get installation dependency errors? is it most likely a problem with the complaining packages, or a problem with dpkg? |
| 02:20.33 | bgat | un214: I guess that's an awfully general question... let me restate. :) |
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| 02:20.58 | un214 | I'm used to it working just fine for packages in core |
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| 02:21.39 | bgat | un214: hmmm, ok. I guess I'll take a careful look at the packages that complain next time, and see what's up with them. But you are saying that dpkg is _supposed_ to be able to do the right thing, correct? |
| 02:21.55 | un214 | yes |
| 02:22.14 | bgat | un214: ok, thanks. I'll investigate further. |
| 02:22.54 | yagoo | tuxicano_, dpkg -C |
| 02:22.57 | ebegin | Any good reference to know the basics about the difference between compiling projects vs installing from a package? |
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| 02:23.48 | tuxicano_ | yagoo: http://pastebin.com/bzbYJh4B |
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| 02:26.13 | yagoo | ebegin, a parallel -> engineer==compiler , administrator/dumbtechnician==package installation |
| 02:26.27 | yagoo | ebegin, the technicians are the dumber ones :p |
| 02:26.49 | yagoo | ebegin, i hope i don't have to speculate for your case ;-) |
| 02:26.55 | ebegin | yagoo, :) I know, but what about the destinations ? |
| 02:27.03 | un214 | what do you have against source packages yagoo? |
| 02:27.09 | yagoo | oh hahaha |
| 02:27.25 | yagoo | ebegin, dpkg -L <packagename> |
| 02:27.30 | yagoo | ebegin, that? |
| 02:27.31 | ebegin | It seems that I currently have 2 versions at the moment |
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| 02:27.51 | yagoo | ebegin, yah that can happen if its intentional... otherwise it's an upgrade |
| 02:29.03 | tuxicano_ | yagoo: do have have any idea what I have to do? |
| 02:29.05 | ebegin | yagoo, I want to compile pazpar2 (from indexdata). while compiling it, it requires version 4.1 of YAZ |
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| 02:29.09 | yagoo | ebegin, if you're trying to um make your own package.. that's another topic |
| 02:29.17 | crapeau | anybody use inteldrmfb with intel 82852G in squeeze? |
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| 02:30.58 | yagoo | tuxicano_, try aptitude update, then aptitude install python |
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| 02:33.17 | tuxicano_ | yagoo I don't have aptitude, but apt-get |
| 02:33.29 | tuxicano_ | apt-get update works |
| 02:33.33 | ebegin | yagoo, I upgrade YAZ to the latest version (4.0.1) but when I ./configure pazpar2, it tells me that I have 3.0.52 |
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| 02:33.56 | tuxicano_ | but ap-get install pythons still makes problems |
| 02:34.05 | ebegin | that is why I'm confused |
| 02:34.14 | yagoo | ebegin, so..? read its docs.. maybe in the make file.. a ruleset for -I .. |
| 02:35.01 | yagoo | -I include path that |
| 02:36.10 | ebegin | ok, I'll dig a little more. Thanks for your help |
| 02:37.13 | yagoo | ebegin, there are many implementations.. it can be --prefixspecific etc.. the docs should say.. |
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| 02:37.33 | tuxicano_ | yagoo is it possible to fix my apt-get? |
| 02:38.04 | yagoo | tuxicano_, it's probably a preinst script.. you can study it somewhere in /var and see why python's install script is failing.. |
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| 02:39.23 | tuxicano_ | the problem seems to be just everywhere |
| 02:39.39 | tuxicano_ | i just can't install anything |
| 02:40.42 | yagoo | tuxicano_, maybe you're using an external python and it's in $PATH |
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| 02:47.15 | Ziber | Does debian squeeze not have ext4 support? |
| 02:47.22 | dvs | yup |
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| 02:47.47 | Ziber | is that a yes, it doesnt? |
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| 02:47.56 | dvs | oui |
| 02:48.28 | MrFrood | yes it does |
| 02:48.45 | Ziber | im trying to mount an LVM that was ext4 formatted, and I can not. :( |
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| 02:53.04 | Ziber | http://paste.ziber.org/57223 |
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| 02:59.20 | Tramp | Ziber: what happens if you "modprobe ext4"? |
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| 03:01.09 | blackshirt | HELLO |
| 03:02.32 | xk | WORLD |
| 03:02.49 | dvs | ESIGSEV |
| 03:05.18 | blackshirt | GOOD MORNING |
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| 03:08.42 | Pumba | blackshirt: try toggling caps lock |
| 03:09.58 | MrFrood | giggles |
| 03:10.09 | blackshirt | Pumba: ok, sorry for capslock on |
| 03:10.14 | Pumba | I'm trying to get to bed, can't stand people shouting around me about good mornings now ;) |
| 03:10.21 | blocktree | I have installed knm-runtime package but I still do not see network management widget ... any suggestions please..? |
| 03:11.23 | Pumba | have a nice morning anyway, I'll have 3 nice hours of sleep before getting up for some time off work :) |
| 03:11.40 | yagoo | Pumba, sounds like you're naked with a bunch of woman.. you horny sob :p |
| 03:11.43 | yagoo | lol |
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| 03:11.44 | blocktree | moreover I have created new wireless connection but no measn to enable/establish it..?? |
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| 03:12.03 | blackshirt | Pumba: on my place, still morning.. |
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| 03:12.14 | blackshirt | Pumba: well, good night |
| 03:12.21 | Pumba | blackshirt: on my place already morning |
| 03:12.37 | Pumba | don't get home from work before 3AM, usually |
| 03:12.56 | Pumba | this night it's been 3:30 or something |
| 03:13.59 | dvs | Pumba: GOODNIGHT |
| 03:14.49 | Pumba | awww, I forgot to steal a large trout from work |
| 03:14.56 | Pumba | can't slap you for that now :/ |
| 03:15.31 | Pumba | come to think of it, we don't even serve trouts |
| 03:15.41 | Ziber | [22:59:20] < Tramp> Ziber: what happens if you "modprobe ext4"? <-- module not found. |
| 03:16.27 | Ziber | is there a way to install the ext4 module? |
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| 03:17.16 | zen_monkey | is there a way of boosting scp file transfers? |
| 03:17.44 | zen_monkey | i'm moving 40 gigs from a win7 box to my debian one... |
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| 03:18.03 | Pumba | Ziber: ext4 might already be inserted? -> lsmod|grep ext4 |
| 03:18.24 | simonrvn | zen_monkey: use arcfour as hashing algo? |
| 03:18.41 | Pumba | zen_monkey: use a faster connection |
| 03:18.43 | Ziber | Pumba: not there. |
| 03:18.50 | Cerales | Does anyone have a link to a straightforward guide on setting up an email server using postfix with virtual domains? |
| 03:18.58 | zen_monkey | simonrvn, what is that? |
| 03:19.19 | simonrvn | you know, like aes, blowfish, etc etc |
| 03:19.31 | zen_monkey | Pumba, pc - router - pc ..... 100 Mbit eth on both |
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| 03:20.16 | Pumba | anyways, I've got to get some sleep |
| 03:20.16 | Ziber | how do i install the ext4 module, when running an older kernel that i need for xen support? |
| 03:20.21 | zen_monkey | simonrvn, dunno if winscp supports it, let me check |
| 03:20.27 | Pumba | good morning everyone :) |
| 03:21.22 | Pumba | Ziber: this might help you? https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto#General_Information |
| 03:22.23 | simonrvn | zen_monkey: it might, it's a pretty good app, tbf |
| 03:24.49 | zen_monkey | tbf? |
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| 03:25.29 | simonrvn | to be fair |
| 03:26.28 | zen_monkey | :D |
| 03:27.35 | Ziber | when making a change to a kernel's .config, how do you make it take effect? |
| 03:27.48 | un214 | make bzImage |
| 03:28.10 | Ziber | ...hm? |
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| 03:28.38 | PadawanLearner | hi there |
| 03:29.39 | PadawanLearner | i wanted to make a netinstall without ever going outside of my network. pxeboot is fine, but what about the rest |
| 03:29.48 | PadawanLearner | ? |
| 03:30.03 | Ziber | un214: no makefile... |
| 03:30.06 | PadawanLearner | replace mini.iso with a full blown iso? |
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| 03:30.16 | un214 | where are you editing .config? |
| 03:30.57 | blocktree | what is the command to add sources to my apt/sources.list do I have to do this manually? |
| 03:31.52 | PadawanLearner | blocktree: i do and it's ok, i think there was an apt-setup |
| 03:31.55 | PadawanLearner | but... |
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| 03:33.13 | zen_monkey | simonrvn, will the change affect both ends of the transfer? |
| 03:33.23 | PadawanLearner | anyway |
| 03:33.35 | PadawanLearner | Rusty1: any ideas? |
| 03:33.59 | karlpinc | PadawanLearner: pxeboot and use your own mirror of the repos. |
| 03:34.21 | PadawanLearner | karlpinc: i was afraid you were gonna say that |
| 03:34.51 | blocktree | PadawanLearner: nothing like apt-setup exist on my system... OK where do I get sources avaiable in australia? |
| 03:35.00 | karlpinc | PadawanLearner: No matter what you do you can't stay on your own network and get security updates. |
| 03:35.20 | karlpinc | blocktree: See http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 03:37.22 | blocktree | karlpinc: I'm back in business... thanks |
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| 03:38.17 | PadawanLearner | blocktree: there is one cool program netselect-apt |
| 03:38.20 | karlpinc | PadawanLearner: What else is there to say? You want to be able to install anything you need a mirror of everything. |
| 03:39.05 | PadawanLearner | karlpinc: imagine i just wanted to throw in the first two cd's |
| 03:39.22 | PadawanLearner | on that... ok... a partial mirror |
| 03:39.42 | PadawanLearner | is there a simple way to do that? |
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| 03:40.05 | karlpinc | PadawanLearner: Dunno. See the install guide and see if you can install off a cd/image on another machine. |
| 03:40.50 | PadawanLearner | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.59 | karlpinc | PadawanLearner: You probably just want to use something like apt-cacher instead. |
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| 03:50.05 | penrod | greetings, I just installed "squeeze" cli and the resolution needs to be changed ,the fonts are far too small. What documentation do I need to read ? |
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| 03:52.46 | lizsac | you should read console fonts |
| 03:53.27 | lizsac | boot options console fontsize |
| 03:53.45 | lizsac | google won't bite |
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| 03:54.46 | lizsac | if it does i have an API that will heal your bites |
| 03:55.02 | lizsac | the google anti-bite api |
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| 03:58.38 | karlpinc | penrod: There's mention of this in the squeeze release notes in the what's new section. IIRC you should "dpkg-reconfigure console-fonts". But that could be wrong and I've not yet gotten around to straghtening my fonts out. |
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| 03:59.23 | penrod | thankyou |
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| 04:11.23 | austinium | i am having trouble logging in via ssh, keep getting the error:"Read from socket failed:Connection reset by peer", ssh -vvv output -> http://pastebin.com/A30bcSe7 |
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| 04:12.32 | zen_monkey | is the security mirror automatically selected by geodns or i have to change it if want to use the brasil brach? |
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| 04:19.04 | Tiktalik | Hugs? |
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| 04:22.05 | peterrooney | dpkg: bearhug Tiktalik |
| 04:22.05 | dpkg | wraps peterrooney's powerful bone-crushing teddy arms around Tiktalik! |
| 04:22.15 | peterrooney | no, leave me out of this! |
| 04:22.35 | Tiktalik | Why did I say hugs in here |
| 04:22.37 | Tiktalik | >_> |
| 04:22.48 | Tiktalik | dpkg: bearhug EsperNet |
| 04:22.49 | dpkg | wraps tiktalik's powerful bone-crushing metallic arms around EsperNet! |
| 04:22.54 | peterrooney | wonders how to avoid assault charges |
| 04:22.55 | Tiktalik | lol? |
| 04:22.57 | blast_hardcheese | Hmm. Just did a safe-upgrade to testing; postgresql-8.3 was left in a configured state, but with all binaries removed. Now 9.0 is installed, which is fine, but I can't pg_upgradecluster because 8.3 isn't running. |
| 04:23.37 | blast_hardcheese | I've never tried to upgrade postgresql before, I started using it because of davical |
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| 04:24.50 | blast_hardcheese | Clearly there's something I'm missing, since even the README.Debian.gz is misleading. |
| 04:26.00 | blast_hardcheese | austinium: ssh -o PubkeyAuthentication=no <host>, check to see that at the very least your password login works |
| 04:26.09 | blast_hardcheese | Might be that you have a bad shell set up. |
| 04:27.02 | blast_hardcheese | I had a similar problem (iirc) when trying to set up gitolite |
| 04:27.24 | blast_hardcheese | should do a writeup on gitolite |
| 04:27.28 | mr0wl | Is it true that there will be a new version of Debian that will be a rolling release? |
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| 04:34.20 | austinium | blast_hardcheese: i had to regenerate rda/rsa1/dsa keys in /etc/ssh |
| 04:34.22 | austinium | its working now |
| 04:34.23 | austinium | thans |
| 04:34.29 | austinium | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1095593 |
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| 04:35.43 | gnarface | "The system shell is the default command interpreter for shell scripts. Using dash as the system shell will improve the system's overall performance. It does not alter the shell presented to interactive users. Use dash as the default system shell (/bin/sh)?" |
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| 04:35.50 | gnarface | should i? |
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| 04:36.16 | gnarface | i'm worried about incompatibilities... i've used bash for everything for so long |
| 04:37.05 | xk | well |
| 04:37.22 | xk | then use /bin/bash if you need to :) |
| 04:37.31 | gnarface | well but that's the thing! i don't know if i need to |
| 04:37.47 | gnarface | oh you mean, for my own scripts |
| 04:37.52 | gnarface | yea i suppose |
| 04:38.11 | xk | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.14 | gnarface | crosses fingers |
| 04:38.57 | DeathNostril | I was too lazy to re-write all of my scripts which expected /bin/bash |
| 04:39.02 | DeathNostril | And many of them failed when I switched to Debian |
| 04:39.06 | xk | heh |
| 04:39.07 | DeathNostril | So I just switched to bash |
| 04:40.27 | gnarface | i'm just upgrading an old machine from lenny to sid |
| 04:41.06 | gnarface | i'm far more worried about the boot loader and my insanely customized exim config |
| 04:41.32 | gnarface | the idea that system performance will be improved is enticing since this is a rather old machine |
| 04:41.39 | gnarface | i'm just you know... a bash purist |
| 04:41.43 | gnarface | so it makes me nervous |
| 04:42.17 | blast_hardcheese | reasonable to be nervous about such things. I just had to rewrite my postfix config because of a system upgrade. |
| 04:42.51 | blast_hardcheese | Fortunately I didn't botch it, I'm only a mediocre sysadmin ;) |
| 04:42.56 | xk | could be worse... rewriting sendmail config :) |
| 04:42.59 | DeathNostril | I actually gave up running postfix because I got bored of having to update it. Basically I've become lazy over the years. |
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| 04:44.12 | blast_hardcheese | DeathNostril: Overwhelming evidence suggests that is the case ;) |
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| 04:45.04 | DeathNostril | When I first got into Linux (I'm coming from Gentoo) I was all into that; had pride in that, enjoyed learning and so on |
| 04:45.20 | DeathNostril | But work is killing me and I just got bored fixing things. So I moved to Debian, and offloaded mail stuff to google. |
| 04:45.22 | DeathNostril | Now I'm happy |
| 04:45.38 | DeathNostril | Debian has been, compared to Gentoo, like nothing. |
| 04:45.57 | DeathNostril | in terms of keeping it running because at this point for me there are no interesting problems, just boring ones. because I'm burned out. |
| 04:46.09 | peterrooney | !start a distro war |
| 04:46.09 | dpkg | Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. |
| 04:46.36 | DeathNostril | Aint no distro war for me. I have nothing bad to say about Gentoo or Debian. Gentoo was once perfect for me but my needs have changed. |
| 04:46.52 | gnarface | i know what its like to be a control freak. what turned me against gentoo (which i also graduated from) was mostly that i tried to install it on my mac laptop and ended up frying 750MB of what is still very expensive pc133 laptop ram |
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| 04:47.06 | DeathNostril | I've run Debian on my fileserver and routers for about 8 years. I figured well, why not make it my desktop too, and so I did. |
| 04:47.45 | DeathNostril | Gentoo is addictive though because once you get it working just how you want, you really like how much control you have through such easy facilities like USE flags. Its just that I barely use all of that configurability anymore. |
| 04:48.15 | gnarface | i read too much slashdot to trust google with 100% of my work-related emails though. i use it as a basic filter for first contacts but i want established communications coming directly to a server i control |
| 04:48.19 | DeathNostril | You can of course do anything in Debian you can do in Gentoo; some things are just not as quick and easy. But I havent had to do any of those things in the two months I've been using Debian, which goes to show you how little of Gentoo's stuff I was using. |
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| 04:49.05 | gnarface | yea once debian got an amd64 port up and running gentoo lost its appeal to me |
| 04:49.21 | DeathNostril | Still I think both are pretty much the only two distros I've tried that I can live with completely. When I wanted to get away from Gentoo, there wasn't even a consideration of what to run. Debian it was. |
| 04:49.24 | gnarface | i'd still pick it first as a classroom linux distro |
| 04:50.13 | gnarface | in fact i'd go so far as to say i wouldn't have been able to switch to debian until after i'd run gentoo for a while. i had actually tried to switch to debian from redhat in the past and failed - gentoo taught me that much about linux |
| 04:50.22 | DeathNostril | I think the virtue of Gentoo is it makes delving deeper into your OS easy. Like it encourages you to configure your own kernel and so on. And it gives you these easy tools to do it. |
| 04:50.26 | DeathNostril | Yeah, I'd say the same for me |
| 04:50.39 | DeathNostril | Gentoo made it so any distribution was easy to get into; I at least knew what to look for / search on. |
| 04:50.42 | DeathNostril | It |
| 04:50.42 | JakDaRippa | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.43 | JakDaRippa | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.46 | JakDaRippa | [#debian] |
| 04:51.19 | gnarface | huh? JakDaRippa what is this? |
| 04:51.34 | DeathNostril | bad paste probably |
| 04:51.41 | blast_hardcheese | gnarface: mispaste |
| 04:51.51 | gnarface | either that or a bot just went insane |
| 04:52.08 | blast_hardcheese | Nah, that's formatted for a human |
| 04:52.12 | DeathNostril | I will say that I had a false sense of testing's conservatism as I switched a few weeks before the last release, when testing was all conservative |
| 04:52.16 | DeathNostril | now massive updates |
| 04:52.35 | gnarface | i've had very little luck with testing overall |
| 04:52.50 | blast_hardcheese | runs testing on all his systems |
| 04:53.02 | gnarface | i find unstable to be far more useful for workstations and stable to be far more useful for servers - testing just hoses me |
| 04:53.33 | gnarface | maybe if i was an actual debian contributor that would be different |
| 04:53.37 | blast_hardcheese | I should try actually sticking to bpo. I just get frustrated with it and end up upgrading everything to testing. |
| 04:53.41 | gnarface | some day i dream of being a debian contributor |
| 04:55.06 | blast_hardcheese | s/^(.*?)(i.*?of )/\2\1/ |
| 04:55.21 | gnarface | anyone got an ibm netvista box? one of the p3-866 ones? |
| 04:55.35 | gnarface | i just got squeeze shoehorned into an old one and man was it a bitch. i feel like sharing |
| 04:55.57 | gnarface | also i would like to know if anyone has a recent bios on hand for this evil mutation of a desktop |
| 04:56.09 | gnarface | i've had no luck googling |
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| 04:57.09 | levi501d | anyone know of an overclocking applicaiton for debian for i7? |
| 04:58.19 | levi501d | Problem is: I overclock in my bios but it doesnt stick when I'm in debian. very strange.. |
| 04:58.20 | gnarface | ok here's a good one, maybe one of you have seen this during an upgrade from lenny to squeeze and can comment: |
| 04:58.52 | gnarface | Unable to migrate to dependency-based boot system. Tests have determined that problems in the boot system exist which prevent migration to dependency-based boot sequencing: insserv: warning: script 'S25libdevmapper1.02' missing LSB tags and overrides, insserv: warning: script 'libdevmapper1.02' missing LSB tags and overrides, , package libdevmapper1.02 removed but not purged |
| 04:59.14 | gnarface | levi501d: doesn't stick? how are you testing? |
| 05:00.11 | levi501d | gnarface: System Monitor is reporting 2668, it should be at 3800 |
| 05:00.37 | gnarface | levi501d: what does "cat /proc/cpuinfo" say? |
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| 05:01.34 | gnarface | levi501d: pastebin it. but i suspect the issue is that you have local power software management (acpi/apm stuff) that is overriding your bios settings for this on boot |
| 05:02.19 | levi501d | gnarface: http://titanpad.com/cIA3xZkurl |
| 05:03.43 | gnarface | levi501d: what does this output: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 05:04.05 | levi501d | gnarface: performance |
| 05:04.44 | gnarface | levi501d: how about this? cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_max_freq |
| 05:04.56 | levi501d | gnarface: oohh can i set max? |
| 05:05.11 | levi501d | gnarface: 2668000 |
| 05:05.43 | levi501d | gnarface: if i can set it here, will it persist on reboot? |
| 05:06.29 | gnarface | levi501d: probably not. you gotta change kernel options i think, or run a userspace daemon that override them. i dont' overclock and i just use a script, but i found that i had to first disable quet&cool and shit like that in my bios and then set the controls all to max there first |
| 05:07.25 | levi501d | gnarface: well that is done already on my bios, i'll check this out, thanks for pointing me in the right direction, found a description of dyn freq scaling on thinkwiki, thanks again |
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| 05:08.30 | gnarface | levi501d: i know there are a number of approaches, the newest ones use kernel hooks to control these /sys files based on one of a list of predefined behavior patterns... i think performance is where you want to start because that's the one that doesn't UNDERCLOCK but beyond that i can't help you |
| 05:08.54 | gnarface | its all tied up in acpi shit now |
| 05:09.03 | gnarface | cpu scaling governors and stuff |
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| 05:13.52 | levi501d | gnarface: thanks, if you have any docs to point me at I'm up for some reading |
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| 05:14.24 | gnarface | levi501d: sorry everything i know about it i learned from reading the notes in the actual kernel compilation options |
| 05:14.41 | levi501d | gnarface: roger that, good a place as any |
| 05:16.54 | gnarface | levi501d: i used to just compile custom kernels by turning off everything i didn't think i needed, then one day i realized my multi-core desktop burned more electricity during a full day sitting at idle than my refrigerator, so i went in there to enable some dynamic underclocking |
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| 05:25.16 | levi501d | gnarface: im giving cpufreq-set --max=3668000 |
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| 05:28.59 | gnarface | levi501d: cpufreq-set is an app? |
| 05:29.21 | gnarface | levi501d: how does it work? theoretically you should see the output of "cat /proc/cpuinfo" change to match it |
| 05:29.56 | gnarface | levi501d: on my amd64 system the change is audible, because the fans start to spin up faster almost immediately afterwards |
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| 05:34.47 | levi501d | gnarface: still trying it out, but cpufreq-set -f 3600000 |
| 05:34.54 | quentusrex | Anyone able to assist in trouble shooting an Exim4 and mailman issue? It seems mailmans /usr/local/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck file is encoded somehow, and that is causing all mailman domain lookups to fail. |
| 05:35.38 | quentusrex | I can see it try to read the config.pck file, and I can see it choke on one of the encoded lines. |
| 05:35.49 | quentusrex | since the encoded line is piped into the log file. |
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| 05:40.13 | levi501d | gnarface: strangely enough i used that and its saying that my scaling_govenor is userspace but its modulating speed like its ondemand |
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| 05:46.39 | gnarface | levi501d: in theory if you're on a userspace governor you'd be running some daemon or script or something that has control of it which would require an independent config. i'm using amd hardware so i use powernowd but there are a few |
| 05:47.06 | gnarface | levi501d: if you set it to userspace but there isn't an actual userspace governor running i'm not sure what the failover behavior is |
| 05:48.12 | levi501d | gnarface: yeah looks like its going to ondemand |
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| 05:48.58 | levi501d | gnarface: im also changing the ondemand threshold to 75 |
| 05:51.26 | gnarface | levi501d: i use the kernel performance governor for max (not overclocked) cpu when gaming and i use the kernel's userspace governor with powernowd for underclocking while at idle or just doing work because ondemand's behavior seemed upside-down to me |
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| 05:59.39 | levi501d | gnarface: yeah, its looking like ondemand is doing really poorly, just ran a cpu intensive app to test it, and it was very poorly managing frequency |
| 06:02.19 | gnarface | when you exceed the low threshold it slowly steps up in increments as long as you keep exceeding it |
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| 06:03.26 | gnarface | by what definition that is "on demand" i have no fucking clue, but using the userspace governor i have powernowd set to snap individual cores to max clock speed the moment the underclocked threshold is maxed, then it steps DOWN in even increments when it stops getting maxed |
| 06:04.19 | gnarface | which seems far more appropriate to me - the idea afterall is that you are supposed to underclock your system in a way to save power and keep it cool without *noticing* that you're doing so right? |
| 06:04.20 | levi501d | huh how are you setting userspace gov? |
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| 06:04.59 | gnarface | i set it in sys. i just have a script i run as root when i want to switch back to performance (for gaming - there is still a bit of latency in maxing the clock speed) |
| 06:05.05 | levi501d | yeah when im using this box its pretty much always maxing out, running vms etc.. |
| 06:05.15 | levi501d | pastebin it? |
| 06:05.21 | gnarface | yea np. |
| 06:05.24 | gnarface | stand by |
| 06:05.29 | levi501d | roger that thanks |
| 06:05.59 | gnarface | levi501d: http://pastebin.com/gCRsF5es |
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| 06:06.09 | levi501d | gnarface: awesome thanks man |
| 06:06.20 | gnarface | i'm underclocking not overclocking, but maybe this will be of use to you as a basic starting point |
| 06:07.05 | levi501d | yeah i'm going to give it a try, this box comes underclocked, but i've got it up to 4.0 ghz stable @ 2 weeks in windoze when i had to run windows for a client app |
| 06:07.41 | levi501d | i have to run a lot of vm's etc.. for multiple vpns for dev etc.. |
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| 06:08.48 | gnarface | thats weird it put some extra newlines in there. |
| 06:08.54 | gnarface | shouldn't really hurt anything |
| 06:09.09 | levi501d | naw i'll clean it up i have to add 6 lines for cpu's anyways |
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| 06:11.10 | Tiktalik | Oh man guys |
| 06:11.25 | Tiktalik | I found out about a terrible bug in most irc clients |
| 06:11.43 | Tiktalik | Joining #0,0 will cause you to part all channels in that network |
| 06:12.21 | gnarface | trolling? |
| 06:12.35 | Tiktalik | Trolling? |
| 06:12.36 | gnarface | stop trying to spam for your noob flood channel |
| 06:12.42 | Tiktalik | No |
| 06:12.50 | gnarface | ok so do it |
| 06:12.52 | gnarface | prove it to us |
| 06:12.58 | gnarface | join that channel |
| 06:13.05 | Tiktalik | Okay, but it just looks like I've parted |
| 06:13.15 | Tiktalik | WUT |
| 06:13.21 | Tiktalik | It doesn't work on freenode? |
| 06:13.24 | Tiktalik | Huh... |
| 06:13.30 | Tiktalik | Works on espernet |
| 06:13.39 | Tiktalik | That's good. |
| 06:13.56 | gnarface | i think that you are in a debian channel and your conversation is offtopic |
| 06:14.04 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:14.11 | levi501d | well thanks for being a good online citizen and letting us know of this horrid bug |
| 06:14.37 | gnarface | yea we'll keep an eye out for it |
| 06:14.56 | Tiktalik | gnarface, that is very true. anyway just don't join #0,0 on other networks. |
| 06:15.02 | Tiktalik | It is not safe. |
| 06:15.11 | gnarface | snorts |
| 06:15.59 | levi501d | haha, right |
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| 07:04.23 | Alver | Hello there. I'm running debian sid, amd64. Since (one of the) last update(s), I cannot compose keys anymore; I get things like ¨u (instead of u-with-trema), ~n (instead of n-with-tilde), etcetera. |
| 07:04.48 | Alver | I'm unsure where to look in the bug tracker, or where to fix this - does anyone have an idea? |
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| 07:09.24 | jmarsden | Alver: I'd guess at the keyboard-configuration package. See if you can spot anything wrong in the /etc/default/keyboard file, and then try running dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
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| 07:11.00 | Alver | jmarsden: hmmm. Not that I can tell, no. |
| 07:11.09 | Alver | I'll try running the dpkg-reconfig. |
| 07:14.48 | Alver | Oh, hmmm - jmarsden: just noticed, it's only in X11. |
| 07:14.50 | Alver | Console works fine. |
| 07:15.16 | jmarsden | Interesting... maybe play with setxkbmap instead then? |
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| 07:17.43 | Alver | The keyboard mapping in Gnome seems okay too. Hm. |
| 07:17.47 | Alver | Yet it doesn't work. |
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| 07:28.55 | Alver | jmarsden: oh, the plot thickens. I can't use scim anymore. This may be very related :) |
| 07:30.07 | jmarsden | Yes, I can see that... I'm more of a server/console/command line person than X/GUI though, so I'm not really sure what to suggest. |
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| 07:41.27 | lxsameer | does authenticating root account involve PAM? |
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| 07:42.30 | blast_hardcheese | Like root logging in at the console, or su? |
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| 07:42.49 | lxsameer | blast_hardcheese, root logging |
| 07:42.50 | jelly-home | lxsameer: let's be one the safe side and say "yes" |
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| 07:43.35 | jelly-home | lxsameer: this depends on the particular service you're using to log in. Most use pam. |
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| 07:43.53 | lxsameer | jelly-home, i'm trying to authenticate my users against PAM , all the users authenticated except of root |
| 07:44.07 | jelly-home | lxsameer: foir which service? |
| 07:44.24 | lxsameer | jelly-home, passwd module |
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| 07:45.09 | jelly-home | lxsameer: I have no idea what you're talking about, sorry. passwd module for what |
| 07:45.28 | lxsameer | jelly, pam.d/passwd |
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| 07:45.54 | lxsameer | jelly-home, maybe i misunderstand you question |
| 07:46.13 | jelly-home | lxsameer: which command are you trying to run and how does it fail? |
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| 07:46.48 | sickn3ss | hey guys, the default browser won't change, I am using gnome |
| 07:46.58 | sickn3ss | and I want to change iceweasel to chrome |
| 07:47.13 | sickn3ss | I run gnome-default-applications-properties change it close |
| 07:47.15 | sickn3ss | but still nothing |
| 07:47.17 | lxsameer | jelly, i'm try to authenticate my users via a python script, all the users authenticate easily but root failed to authenticate |
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| 07:48.34 | jelly-home | lxsameer: are you using "passwd" as your pam service instead of constructing your own? Why? |
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| 07:49.44 | Alver | sickn3ss: I had the same issue, some time back. |
| 07:49.45 | lxsameer | jelly, yeah i'm using passwd, i was thinking that passwd authenticate users against shadow file, but should i create my own service ? |
| 07:49.54 | Alver | sickn3ss: it got fixed after a random update. Don't know which one. |
| 07:50.03 | gnarface | libfam/libgamin what is this mess? |
| 07:50.15 | jelly-home | lxsameer: you should. Try using "other" as a test. |
| 07:50.16 | gnarface | and why the hell were neither put in when i upgraded to squeeze? |
| 07:50.27 | sickn3ss | Alver, I have the system updated |
| 07:50.40 | Alver | sickn3ss: squeeze/wheezy/sid ? |
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| 07:51.11 | sickn3ss | Alagar, squeeze |
| 07:51.12 | lxsameer | jelly-home, sure, but as the last question, where can i find more about PAM authentication modules like pam_access.so |
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| 07:51.52 | jelly-home | sickn3ss: hm. Does it change if you update-alternatives -config x-www-browser |
| 07:52.29 | jelly-home | lxsameer: I don't know a good place to start except the generic, /msg dpkg pam |
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| 07:53.24 | Alver | jelly-home, sickn3ss: let me find the bug report |
| 07:53.35 | sickn3ss | jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/YkbsfKv4 |
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| 07:54.32 | sickn3ss | I think I know what the problem is |
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| 07:54.53 | sickn3ss | if I check in preferred applications the command to run chroms ie /opt/google-chrome/... |
| 07:54.56 | jelly-home | so that's already set |
| 07:54.57 | sickn3ss | but normally it is |
| 07:55.02 | sickn3ss | /usr/bin/google-chrome |
| 07:55.13 | lxsameer | jelly-home, thanks a lot man |
| 07:55.35 | Alver | sickn3ss: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=613860 |
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| 07:56.05 | sickn3ss | cool |
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| 07:58.18 | lxsameer | jelly-home, sorry for bothering you again , dpkg told me about malfunctioning of PAM , is there any replacement for PAM? |
| 07:58.28 | handygandy | Anyone know what happened to unionfs-fuse in testing? |
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| 08:02.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | handygandy: one of the bots has 'why isnt <package> in testing', but i forget if its judd or dpkg |
| 08:02.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | perhaps query them |
| 08:02.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | lxsameer: not really. why do you want to remove pam? |
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| 08:03.35 | lxsameer | Kamping_Kaiser, i don't want to, but dpkg told me about malfunctioning of PAM, so i wonder about a better replacement |
| 08:04.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | lxsameer: can you pastebin the error? i'm not aware of 'malfuntioning' as a dpkg error |
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| 08:04.50 | lxsameer | Kamping_Kaiser, i mean dpkg bot not dpkg software |
| 08:04.57 | lxsameer | Kamping_Kaiser, /msg dpkg pam |
| 08:05.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | !pam |
| 08:05.14 | dpkg | pam is probably the Pluggable Authentication Modules. Check http://www.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/ for more information. Linux-PAM SysAdmin's Guide is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/Linux-PAM_SAG.html . PAM Always Malfunctions |
| 08:05.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | lxsameer: guessing by the letters in caps i'd say its a sort of in joke |
| 08:06.31 | lxsameer | Kamping_Kaiser, hmm funny :D |
| 08:06.35 | lxsameer | Kamping_Kaiser, thanks |
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| 08:14.57 | cornelinux | Hi, is there an easy way to determine from which repository a package was installed. (In fact I want to determine, if a package was installed from the install CD or from the Internet Repository) |
| 08:15.32 | gnarface | ok so i just managed to do a successful upgrade from lenny->squeeze on my server and i'm not sure which should frighten me more; 1) the fact that my highly customized virtual domain capable exim4+spamassassin+courier-imaps configuration required NO manual merging or 2) after it all got up and running icedove choked trying to connect to the mail server because fam had been removed but gamin had not been installed in its place |
| 08:15.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | cornelinux: apt-cache policy will tell you which repo, but may not say cd or not |
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| 08:16.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | gnarface: fam is available still, might have been conflicted out |
| 08:17.11 | cornelinux | Kamping_Kaiser: I want to modify an install-CD and put the packages that were reloaded from the Inet onto this CD. So I am wondering what would be the easiest way to find out. (Besides grabbing all installed packages and diffing to the CD tree structure) |
| 08:17.40 | gnarface | Kamping_Kaiser: i can see that but what i don't understand is why it got conflicted out without any replacement. libfam0 was still installed and it got removed when i manually installed gamin - now everything seems to be working again |
| 08:17.59 | gnarface | in other news; it took me 2 hours to merge my php.ini *sigh* |
| 08:18.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | cornelinux: compare the package files, it contains all the version information |
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| 08:19.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | gnarface: no idea, i've got no setups similar to that |
| 08:19.19 | gnarface | Kamping_Kaiser, cornelinux isn't there a tool or a setup for making custom install disks? jdgio or something like htat? |
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| 08:20.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | gnarface: jigdo builds cds using packages on mirrors, debian-cd builds full cds/cd sets, debian-live for live images |
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| 08:20.56 | cornelinux | I poked around for a while and was not satisfied with the possibilities around (I modified many things) And some things were not covered by the tools I looked at -- as far as I understood :o) |
| 08:21.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | cornelinux: what are you actually trying to do ? |
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| 08:23.09 | cornelinux | I am trying to build a kind of very customized appliance, that installs a base system but also adds homebrewn packages and configurations. Works fine so far. Only thing is, that some packages are loaded from the internet. Would be cooler if everything comes on one CD |
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| 08:23.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | debian-cd and debian-live both allow using custom repositories |
| 08:24.02 | gnarface | eh, i would do something dirty like make a tarball of the default install and then write a bash script that unzips it and takes user input to update important stuff like network/host configs |
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| 08:24.19 | gnarface | but that's cause i'm a hack |
| 08:25.52 | gnarface | debian-cd does sound like a neater option though |
| 08:25.57 | cornelinux | Till now I avoiding building my custom repo. I added my deb packages in the final preseed step by running a script that installed my packages using dpkg not apt-get/aptitude. |
| 08:26.06 | superlinux | hi all. I just want to announce my youtube channel. It contains video lessons about using and installing Debian GNU/Linux. The special about them: Only Arabic language commentary . http://youtube.com/user/ranixlb . thanks. this is a one time advertisement. |
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| 08:26.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | superlinux: please don't spam, kthx |
| 08:27.10 | gnarface | !arabic |
| 08:27.10 | dpkg | methinks arabic is Linux supports the Arabic language. See http://www.arabeyes.org/download/documents/howto/arabic-howto-en/ For help with debian in Arabic, ask in #debian-lb on irc.freenode.net (and be patient! it's a small community) |
| 08:27.12 | gnarface | ? |
| 08:27.23 | gnarface | yea |
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| 08:27.57 | gnarface | superlinux: #debian-lb is the appropriate channel for you to be booted from for spamming |
| 08:28.17 | gnarface | this one if for english speakers only |
| 08:28.22 | gnarface | s/if/is |
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| 08:29.34 | cornelinux | Kamping_Kaiser: gnarface: thx, I guess I will do the diff to the Packages.gz and take a 2nd look at debian-cd. |
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| 08:30.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | cornelinux: there is a channel on oftc , #debiancd |
| 08:30.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | afk, now though |
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| 08:30.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | * #debian-cd |
| 08:30.32 | cornelinux | great! |
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| 08:48.29 | Keefe | hello. i googled but didn't find an answer to my question. i'm installing Debian 6 using the expert install mode, and i'm at the screen where i'm to select a kernel. but there are three groups that seem redundant: linux-image-2.6-amd64, linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64, and linux-image-amd64. what are the differences? |
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| 08:49.54 | damo22 | anyone know how to workaround a kernel building process that appends a "+" to the kernel version and causes kernel-package to fail? |
| 08:49.55 | jk | #aai Gregory Porte |
| 08:49.58 | jk | ho |
| 08:50.02 | jk | Keefe: linux-image-2.6-amd64 just depends on the latest debian linux kernel, which is linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64, so you can select linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
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| 08:50.19 | ethanol | or |
| 08:50.24 | ethanol | linux-image-amd64 |
| 08:50.44 | Keefe | does my choice affect how future upgrades are handled? |
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| 08:50.55 | Keefe | apt-get upgrade for example |
| 08:50.58 | ethanol | no |
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| 08:51.13 | bzed | Keefe: and linux-image-amd64 depends on linux-image-2.6-amd64 and ensures a smooth upgrade to kernel 3.0 whenever it will arrive or not |
| 08:51.15 | damo22 | i am trying to build an experimental "2.6.38+" kernel but debians "kernel-package" doesnt like the + |
| 08:51.23 | xk | use - |
| 08:51.42 | bzed | Keefe: yes, it affects it - with linux-image-2.6-amd64 or linux-image-amd64 you'll get the latest kernel automatically. with linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 not |
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| 08:51.59 | Keefe | ah. knew there was some reason for the choice |
| 08:52.13 | damo22 | i dont know where to edit the "+" its not in the make menuconfig of the kernel |
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| 08:54.16 | lxsameer | i can not authenticate root account with PAM, none of PAM configuration did not work, pam_unix authenticate every user except root ? why? |
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| 08:55.15 | Iridos | ssh login? --> PermitRootLogin no |
| 08:55.17 | Fudge | lxsameer does your ssh config allow root login |
| 08:56.33 | lxsameer | Fudge, yeah it does but still i can't authenticate root user with pam.d/sshd |
| 08:57.52 | Iridos | su also uses pam, so do local logins |
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| 08:58.44 | lxsameer | Iridos, sorry i can't understand |
| 08:59.02 | Fudge | guess check obvious like you have sudo passwd root etc |
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| 09:00.24 | lxsameer | Fudge, what do you mean |
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| 09:05.54 | zealiod | is it possible just to installthe freeradius client, not all of freeradius? |
| 09:08.17 | Iridos | lxsameer, do you only have problems using ssh? |
| 09:08.20 | zealiod | I got it... freeradius-utils |
| 09:09.06 | lxsameer | Iridos, my problem is not with ssh, i can authenticate all of my users against PAM except of root |
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| 09:10.11 | Fudge | lxsameer if you can use sudo, set a root password sudo passwd root |
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| 09:11.02 | Iridos | lxsameer, that was understood, but is that limited to ssh or do you see the same with su and local console logins, too? |
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| 09:11.21 | lxsameer | Fudge, i already have a root password , i can log in with my root account or do a su, but PAM did not authenticate my root account and i don't know why |
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| 09:12.28 | lxsameer | Iridos, i can't do what ever i want with my root on my box but when i want to authenticate with my root account username and password via a python script that use pam i always failed |
| 09:12.54 | tdn | I have a process that I cannot kill. I have even tried kill -9 as root. What can cause this? |
| 09:13.04 | tdn | The process does not get a new PID. It is the same process that stays up. |
| 09:13.27 | tdn | It uses 100% CPU, so I would really like to kill it. I have reniced it to 19 now, but still, why can't I kill it? |
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| 09:13.36 | Iridos | lxsameer, I don't understand what that means in regard to my question |
| 09:14.38 | Iridos | tdn, usually, the process is waiting on some hardware event... it shouldn't use 100% CPU in that case, though |
| 09:15.08 | lxsameer | Iridos, you ask me that do i have problem with su or any thing else, and i said no, my problem is just when i'm using PAM via a python code, i can authenticate my normal users with that code but not root |
| 09:15.45 | tdn | Iridos, exactly, I would also think that it could be waiting for something that was blocking or that it was suspended -- but none of this is the case. And it goes along with 100% CPU. |
| 09:16.37 | tdn | Another strange thing: I have tried stracing the process, but nothing happens. I cannot even detach the strace. |
| 09:16.41 | Iridos | tdn, well... just to check on the simple things then... did you kill it as a user that has the right to kill it? |
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| 09:17.01 | tdn | Iridos, tried both as the user running the process and as root. |
| 09:17.12 | tdn | Iridos, tried both with SIGTERM and SIGKILL. |
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| 09:17.16 | tdn | Iridos, nothing works. |
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| 09:17.36 | tdn | Iridos, I have tried this a few times before. It is always the same process: qbittorrent. |
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| 09:18.11 | Iridos | ha |
| 09:18.11 | Fudge | lxsameer is it possible that the problem is with your python program youre using? |
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| 09:18.58 | lxsameer | Fudge, maybe , but it authenticate other users normally , do you have any idea that help me find the problem |
| 09:18.59 | Iridos | tdn, what about kill -STOP? |
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| 09:19.16 | Iridos | hm, but actually -9 cannot be blocked.. |
| 09:19.42 | Iridos | tdn, perhaps lsof provides a clue? |
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| 09:20.41 | lxsameer | Fudge, i get this log in auth.log Mar 18 12:49:50 debian python: pam_securetty(login:auth): cannot determine user's tty |
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| 09:22.44 | Fudge | lxsameer sorry limitted experience here, perhaps it has a check for uid + 1000 me donno bud |
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| 09:38.10 | bahamas | hello. i'm trying to install an older version of python-crypto. specifically, i want to install 2.0.1 because that's the version that works with google app engine. how can i do that> |
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| 09:41.50 | cinix_ | bahamas: Two options I can think of is to download the files from their website and install it by hand, or try to use the lenny deb package. Using the older install might break other software though. Do you know if there is a way to use a certain python library only with a certain application? |
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| 09:42.35 | tdn | Iridos, for some reason, now the process name has changed. |
| 09:42.43 | tdn | Iridos, this is what ps faux says: tdn 2590 55.6 0.0 0 0 ? Zl 08:08 85:46 [qbittorrent] <defunct> |
| 09:43.05 | tdn | Iridos, before it was just "qbittorrent". But now it has brackets and <defunct> added. What does this mean? |
| 09:43.13 | tdn | Still 100% CPU though |
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| 09:43.42 | bahamas | cinix_: one way i'm trying to do this is to install the older version of python-crypto in a virtualenv, but i have a different problem now. when pip is trying to build the package, it gets an error about a missing python.h file. i have python-dev installed for version 2.6.6, but my virtualenv is built with python 2.5 because that's what gae supports |
| 09:45.33 | tdn | Iridos, I think I will just have to reboot in order to shut the process down. |
| 09:46.44 | tdn | Iridos, I tried ltrace the process as root, but got: Cannot attach to pid 2590: Operation not permitted |
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| 09:46.54 | tdn | Iridos, kill -STOP does not work by the way. |
| 09:47.24 | tdn | Iridos, process still keeps going on at 100% CPU even after kill -STOP |
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| 09:47.41 | bahamas | cinix_: should i install an older version of python-dev so i can build the package, and if so, how would i do that? |
| 09:47.56 | tdn | Iridos, I am rebooting the machine. |
| 09:48.51 | cinix_ | bahamas: pip/virtualenv is just what you need. I'm not too familiar with them, but not finding a header file sounds like an environment variable isn't set. Are you running the correct pip from inside the new env? |
| 09:49.31 | bahamas | cinix_: yes, the env is activated: "(gae_env)lucian@webdev ~/gae_env/pycrypto-2.0.1" |
| 09:49.45 | cinix_ | path/to/my/environment/bin/pip |
| 09:50.28 | bahamas | cinix_: $ which pip -> /home/lucian/gae_env/bin/pip |
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| 09:52.10 | bahamas | actually, i didn't use pip to try to install the package. i did python setup.py build, but that should still use the version of python in my virtualenv |
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| 09:52.36 | cinix_ | But your using the debian python-dev, does that still work inside the virtualenv? |
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| 09:53.31 | bahamas | i assume that it should. is there any way i can check? |
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| 09:54.20 | zealiod | how do i use the radiusclient to auth and then start accounting, I can do the auth - but unsure how to start accounting |
| 09:54.32 | cinix_ | I would install the python-dev of whatever was built in your gae_env into the env and see if it works. I'm sure there's a way to tell where it's looking for the libraries, but I don't know offhand. |
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| 09:55.59 | sep | anyone know how to debug iceweasel on debian squeeze ? xulrunner allways takes all remaining cpu (60-100%) ; i assume it's some extension, but is there a way to determine witch one without trial en error ? |
| 09:56.30 | bahamas | cinix_: do you mean installing the python-dev for python2.5 (since that's the python used for my virtualenv)? how would i do that? |
| 09:56.35 | Fudge | anyone familiar with a good url to build a cli system on squeeze from the net installer? |
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| 09:57.36 | AthomIk | hello |
| 09:58.18 | Big_Brother | fudge, you can just install the base system alone (sans 'desktop') and you'll have a 'cli system'. |
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| 09:59.06 | K3rl0u4rn | hi poeple, I'm currently trying to install a subsystem with debootstrap, I wonder if this is possible to use debootstrap + chroot without root access ? does it even make sense ? are there any security issues ? |
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| 09:59.34 | AthomIk | i think i have find a libvirt-bin bug in debian, if you change the level debug in udev, libvirt-bin no restart or start |
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| 10:00.03 | Fudge | Big_Brother thank you, whats 'sans desktop' :$ |
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| 10:00.33 | sep | K3rl0u4rn, i think you need to research fakechroot and fakeroot + debootstrap ; have not used them myself |
| 10:00.39 | Big_Brother | less dektop, Fudge. i.e. without desktop option. |
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| 10:01.17 | AthomIk | K3rl0u4rn: use scrhoot no ? |
| 10:01.57 | Phil-Work | if I were to software RAID 2 disks (which the OS isn't installed on) and the OS took a dive and needed reinstalling, would that data be easy enough to get back? |
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| 10:02.59 | Fudge | ah yes Big_Brother thanx |
| 10:03.54 | K3rl0u4rn | AthomIk: this supposes the computer is configured for schroot, right ? |
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| 10:04.20 | xk | Phil-Work: yes. but most people would put the OS on the RAID, too. |
| 10:04.35 | K3rl0u4rn | is it possible to chroot somewhere supposing the computer has not been "prepared" for this ? |
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| 10:04.51 | Phil-Work | xk, thanks |
| 10:05.27 | bahamas | cinix_: just before the line about the python.h missing, there is a line that calls the compiler (gcc -pthread -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -g -fwrapv -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fPIC -Isrc/ -I/usr/include/python2.5 -c src/MD2.c -o build/temp.linux-i686-2.5/src/MD2.o). i looked at the location specified there, namely /usr/include/python2.5, and there is no Python.h. i can only find a python header file in /usr/include/python2.6 |
| 10:05.32 | K3rl0u4rn | the motivation for this is to be able to install a system + development libraries on a desktop oriented computer with zero need of root access |
| 10:05.37 | cinix_ | bahamas: I don't think there is an equivalent package for python. They may just install the header files with the regular package. Can you 'find /home/lucian/gae_env -name Python.h' and paste the error from setup into a pastebin, maybe there's other relevant information other then it can't find Python.h |
| 10:06.30 | cinix_ | bahamas: python2.5-dev |
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| 10:07.23 | AthomIk | K3rl0u4rn: yes scrhoot, is for after install chroot |
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| 10:09.57 | K3rl0u4rn | sep: unfortunately, fakeroot + debootstrap fails with "failure trying to run: chroot /opt/root-fs mount -t proc proc /proc" |
| 10:10.12 | K3rl0u4rn | I guess I should tell it to use fakechroot instread of chroot |
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| 10:10.33 | neoice | I'm having trouble creating bridges to VLAN devices, is there a good source of documentation for it? |
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| 10:12.02 | sep | K3rl0u4rn, as i said ; you must research it. ' |
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| 10:12.40 | sep | also read about variant in man debootstrap |
| 10:12.44 | K3rl0u4rn | sep: indeed :) |
| 10:12.52 | Iridos | tdn, defunct means it's already dead, just waiting for hardware event to be cleaned up /msg dpkg zombie |
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| 10:13.08 | bahamas | cinix_: that did it. so the global header files are used even in a virtualenv. thank you for your help |
| 10:13.10 | anddam | hello |
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| 10:13.19 | anddam | can I run the install step of bootloader install? |
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| 10:13.38 | anddam | I mean re-run, as I've already installed and setup the system |
| 10:13.54 | cinix_ | bahamas: excellent |
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| 10:15.12 | sep | neoice, i do that. what are you having problem with ? |
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| 10:15.55 | sep | neoice, i think i used mostly man bridge-utils-interfaces |
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| 10:17.53 | tdn | Iridos, ok, but how can it still use 100% CPU then? |
| 10:18.20 | Iridos | dunno |
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| 10:19.35 | Fudge | does anybody know about the debian freebsd release, if speakup would work in it? |
| 10:19.53 | neoice | sep: the problem is somewhat complex and I dont want to waste time when I can just read docs. |
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| 10:21.35 | sep | neoice, well man bridge-utils-interfaces is the thing i used. but i have a bog standard 2 interface bond into tagged vlans bridges to tun's for usage on kvm virtual hosts. |
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| 10:33.43 | GeneralK | I thought it might be worth asking here as well... Howdy. I have a hard drive with a NTFS partition on it, on a HDD that uses gpt. I cannot figure out how to mount the partition. It's also connected through an nvidia raid controller. I'm running ubuntu. Any help would be appreciated. |
| 10:35.16 | xk | !ubuntu |
| 10:35.16 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 10:37.25 | GeneralK | :-/ Mounting an NTFS volume on a HDD using gpt is likely to be a similar process, one would imagine. |
| 10:38.19 | erAbuelo | buenos dias |
| 10:38.19 | jelly | GeneralK: best practice procedures often differ between distros |
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| 10:39.32 | lxsameer | i can't authenticate root user via a normal user using pam and pam_unix.so , here is the log http://dpaste.com/513581/ , do you have any idea? |
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| 10:39.46 | GeneralK | jelly, At this point, I would really just like to be able to access the drive. I am not so concerned about best practice... |
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| 10:41.13 | jelly | GeneralK: I won't answer any non-Debian questions in this channel, sorry |
| 10:41.24 | kuku1 | hey |
| 10:41.24 | kuku1 | does anybody know how to create a debian package, that only calls the postinst script? (or preinst) It shouldnt install anything actually |
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| 10:45.26 | xk | hmmm |
| 10:45.40 | xk | one of the ntp servers in the debian pool had fucked up time |
| 10:45.43 | xk | off by 6000 seconds |
| 10:45.44 | xk | fucking morons. |
| 10:46.06 | xk | knocked out one of the drives in the RAID array |
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| 10:51.35 | Svedrin | does anyone have experience with an LSI megaraid SAS controller? |
| 10:51.43 | xk | a little bit |
| 10:51.50 | Svedrin | ours has a performance of about 20 MB/s, which seems a bit... low :P |
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| 10:52.03 | Svedrin | we have a raid 6 configured... |
| 10:52.05 | anddam | hello |
| 10:52.09 | Svedrin | should we try raid 5 or something? |
| 10:52.09 | xk | BBWC? |
| 10:52.21 | Svedrin | xk, what's a BBWC? :P |
| 10:52.25 | anddam | not exactly IT but is there an obvious way I can have gdm not shown full names at boot but usernames instead? |
| 10:52.27 | xk | well... maybe thats part o the problem |
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| 10:52.30 | xk | battery backed write cache |
| 10:52.50 | xk | 1) make sure it's enabled |
| 10:52.59 | Svedrin | xk, we don't have a BBU installed |
| 10:53.09 | xk | hmm |
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| 10:53.15 | jelly | Svedrin: don't expect decent write performance then |
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| 10:53.48 | Svedrin | mew. |
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| 10:54.06 | Svedrin | why not? :/ |
| 10:54.20 | anddam | looking at http://projects.gnome.org/gdm/docs/ gdmsetup has gone from 2.20 to 2.24, I'm using 2.30.5 in squeeze |
| 10:54.28 | jelly | Svedrin: because the controller tries to keep your data consistent. |
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| 10:55.37 | Svedrin | jelly, I guess disabling that would mean data loss if the machine dies? |
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| 10:55.56 | jelly | Svedrin: yes |
| 10:56.27 | anddam | System -> Login screen settings only allows to choose between "prompt for user" or "automatical login" |
| 10:57.03 | ov3rmind | hi tooo all |
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| 10:59.05 | jelly | Svedrin: where "disabling that" means "enabling writeback cache in absence of a battery for that cache" |
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| 10:59.49 | emacsenlee | where is directory ./? |
| 11:00.09 | petemc | emacsenlee: you use that to run something in the current dir |
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| 11:00.36 | petemc | emacsenlee: try ls ./ |
| 11:00.44 | fbs | yeah |
| 11:00.47 | fbs | . is current dir |
| 11:00.51 | fbs | .. is up 1 dir |
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| 11:01.56 | emacsenlee | ./flashplayer10_2_p3_64bit_linux_111710.tar.gzâ saved,,,this means the gz file is in current directory? |
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| 11:02.03 | fbs | yeah |
| 11:02.13 | emacsenlee | but why can i see it? |
| 11:02.27 | fbs | why ot? |
| 11:02.28 | emacsenlee | ls -al returns nothing |
| 11:02.41 | fbs | are you sure you are in the right dir? |
| 11:03.28 | emacsenlee | yes |
| 11:03.53 | emacsenlee | /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins# apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 11:04.18 | fbs | that shouldnt save a .tar.gz |
| 11:04.33 | fbs | what are you trying to do? |
| 11:04.37 | emacsenlee | and ls -al returns . and .. |
| 11:04.45 | emacsenlee | install flash |
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| 11:04.59 | fbs | if yo only see a . and .. the directory is empty |
| 11:05.03 | emacsenlee | gnash doesnt perform well |
| 11:05.09 | fbs | so |
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| 11:05.15 | emacsenlee | so where is the gz? |
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| 11:05.24 | fbs | where you downloaded it ofc ... |
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| 11:05.32 | fbs | maybe in /tmp? |
| 11:05.38 | Leoneof | emacsenlee: check Download folder? |
| 11:05.47 | Leoneof | Downloads* |
| 11:05.48 | fbs | emacsenlee: how did you download |
| 11:05.53 | fbs | with iceweasel ? |
| 11:06.06 | emacsenlee | Saving to: â./flashplayer10_2_p3_64bit_linux_111710.tar.gzâ |
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| 11:06.12 | fbs | but how |
| 11:06.14 | ace0x2a | hey, I have a prob with my debian server. I get this on my server |
| 11:06.15 | fbs | iceweasel ? |
| 11:06.17 | ace0x2a | hi fbs :) |
| 11:06.22 | fbs | hi ace |
| 11:06.30 | ace0x2a | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 11:06.47 | ace0x2a | this appears when i try aptitude safe-upgrade -y |
| 11:06.50 | fbs | ace0x2a: maybe dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 11:07.59 | Leoneof | emacsenlee: ? |
| 11:08.00 | ace0x2a | I already done dpkg-reconfigure locales but I get the same output again |
| 11:08.22 | fbs | ace0x2a: maybe reinstall locale? |
| 11:08.25 | ace0x2a | en_US.UTF-8 is default |
| 11:09.21 | emacsenlee | the gz file was downloaded with the command apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree ,in fact the flash file is a link to macromedia company server and then .gz is downloaded |
| 11:09.50 | fbs | emacsenlee: it should install itself afaik |
| 11:09.53 | Leoneof | oh |
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| 11:10.14 | fbs | or just download it from adobe labs |
| 11:10.16 | fbs | http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_2_p3_64bit_linux_111710.tar.gz |
| 11:10.16 | emacsenlee | automatic install? |
| 11:10.43 | fbs | do a cd ~/Download |
| 11:10.45 | fbs | then wget http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_2_p3_64bit_linux_111710.tar.gz |
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| 11:11.15 | fbs | tar -xf flashplayer*.tar.gz |
| 11:11.43 | emacsenlee | so this would be the only way to install flash |
| 11:11.58 | fbs | then cp libflashplayer.so ~/.mozilla/plugins/ |
| 11:12.01 | emacsenlee | but where has debian put the .gz ? |
| 11:12.05 | fbs | dunno |
| 11:12.17 | emacsenlee | :'( |
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| 11:12.23 | Leoneof | emacsenlee: i've installed Flash Player from "Software Center" |
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| 11:12.38 | emacsenlee | and then what leo? |
| 11:12.39 | Leoneof | emacsenlee: try it. |
| 11:13.04 | Leoneof | emacsenlee: it will install automatically! |
| 11:13.06 | emacsenlee | software center, i dont have that,i am using xfce |
| 11:13.10 | Leoneof | even apt-get install must do, but i don't know your problem |
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| 11:13.32 | ace0x2a | fbs: how to do this best |
| 11:13.35 | guesst123 | hi how could i install latest chromium ? |
| 11:13.40 | guesst123 | i currently have 6.xx |
| 11:13.44 | ace0x2a | aptitude remove locales && aptitude install locales? |
| 11:13.51 | fbs | ace0x2a: yeah i think |
| 11:13.58 | fbs | emacsenlee: my manual way works |
| 11:14.33 | fbs | guesst123: download source and compile it |
| 11:14.36 | emacsenlee | yes ,the apt-get command should install flash,but there was no tar following and ended |
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| 11:15.10 | Leoneof | o_o |
| 11:15.28 | ace0x2a | /usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
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| 11:15.37 | ace0x2a | still get this.. |
| 11:15.40 | penos | ? |
| 11:15.48 | penos | what is 0x2a stands for? |
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| 11:16.18 | fbs | ace0x2a: what if you do /usr/bin/locale |
| 11:16.34 | fbs | emacsenlee: it looks like it should install itself |
| 11:16.34 | ace0x2a | penos: 42 in hex writing |
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| 11:16.50 | xk | decimal |
| 11:16.58 | fbs | no hex |
| 11:17.05 | ace0x2a | hex 0x2a = dez 42 |
| 11:17.15 | fbs | yeah |
| 11:17.18 | xk | 42 is decimal |
| 11:17.20 | emacsenlee | have you make flash installed automaticlly with apt-get,fbs? |
| 11:17.20 | xk | 0x2a is hex |
| 11:17.25 | fbs | xk: it depends on how you read it |
| 11:17.31 | penos | what's dez? |
| 11:17.35 | penos | oh |
| 11:17.36 | penos | decimal |
| 11:17.40 | fbs | you can read it as, 0x2a is 42 in hex writing |
| 11:18.02 | fbs | emacsenlee: im looking at the content of the package |
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| 11:18.12 | xk | if you speak n00b english, yeah. |
| 11:18.26 | fbs | so |
| 11:18.51 | emacsenlee | ? |
| 11:18.56 | Leoneof | emacsenlee: try fbs's guide, it is easy, just download the file, extract it, then copy the lib* file to mozilla folder, that's all. |
| 11:18.59 | Leoneof | emacsenlee: go to the folder /var/cache/apt/archives/ , and find for flashplugin*.deb |
| 11:19.14 | Leoneof | yes |
| 11:19.35 | emacsenlee | yes .i am just doing that now |
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| 11:21.04 | fbs | emacsenlee: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/f/flashplugin-nonfree/flashplugin-nonfree_2.8.2.tar.gz |
| 11:21.08 | fbs | look at that package |
| 11:21.26 | emacsenlee | there is no plugin directory under .mozilla ,but extension is there, can i cp the .so to extension directory |
| 11:21.34 | fbs | the aptitude install flash* indeed downloads that package |
| 11:21.43 | fbs | but the package contains some installation info and removes itself |
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| 11:22.13 | fbs | the libflashplayer.so should get installed systemwide automagic |
| 11:22.24 | fbs | emacsenlee: if there is no plugins create one |
| 11:22.28 | ace0x2a | fbs: cant reinstall because of the deps |
| 11:22.30 | Svedrin | jelly, due to lack of other options, that's what we did now... now it has 300MB/s |
| 11:22.36 | emacsenlee | ok |
| 11:22.55 | Svedrin | so, thanks for the hint :) |
| 11:22.59 | fbs | emacsenlee: keep in mind it only updates flash for you |
| 11:23.02 | fbs | not for other users |
| 11:23.13 | fbs | ace0x2a: so /usr/bin/locals doesnt work? |
| 11:23.21 | jelly | Svedrin: hope you have redundant power supplies, UPS, and a non-buggy kernel |
| 11:23.21 | emacsenlee | yes ,i know |
| 11:24.42 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.43 | Svedrin | jelly, check, check, err -- hope so too :P |
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| 11:26.15 | ace0x2a | /usr/bin/local exists |
| 11:26.25 | ace0x2a | but not the folder /usr/bin/locals |
| 11:26.35 | ace0x2a | btw i use squeeze |
| 11:27.11 | fbs | whoops |
| 11:27.14 | fbs | /usr/bin/locale |
| 11:27.20 | fbs | it should return a list of set locales |
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| 11:28.29 | ace0x2a | http://dpaste.com/513707/ |
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| 11:29.00 | jelly | Svedrin: and backups ;-) |
| 11:29.57 | guesst123 | hi how could i install latest chromium ? |
| 11:29.59 | fbs | ace0x2a: hmm i dunno |
| 11:29.59 | guesst123 | i currently have 6.xx |
| 11:30.08 | fbs | ace0x2a: mine doesnt contain the LC_ALL= |
| 11:30.11 | fbs | its empty :) |
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| 11:30.59 | ace0x2a | maybe imagemagick generated this on the server |
| 11:31.27 | emacsenlee | i guess you could use the unstable chromium for "latest",and compile it from source |
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| 11:32.28 | emacsenlee | flash performs much faster than gnash |
| 11:32.30 | fbs | ace0x2a: maybe cat /etc/default/locale |
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| 11:34.34 | fbs | or just export LC_ALL= |
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| 11:37.46 | penos | what does it mean debian? |
| 11:38.27 | fbs | penos? |
| 11:38.45 | penos | yes? |
| 11:38.53 | ace0x2a | i done export LC_CTYPE= |
| 11:38.57 | fbs | what do you mean ? |
| 11:39.11 | ace0x2a | and LC_MESSAGES= and LC_ALL= |
| 11:39.14 | fbs | debian is made from the name of the creaters |
| 11:39.17 | ace0x2a | and now i dont get the error |
| 11:39.21 | fbs | penos: read the wiki |
| 11:39.26 | penos | what does it actually mean debian? |
| 11:39.43 | penos | ah ok |
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| 11:40.07 | fbs | ace0x2a: maybe your .profile or .bashrc |
| 11:40.12 | ace0x2a | penos: DEBra IAN |
| 11:40.21 | ace0x2a | short debian ;) |
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| 11:41.10 | ace0x2a | fbs do i need LC_CTYPE LC_ALL and LC_MESSAGES on a server? |
| 11:41.26 | ace0x2a | it isnt important that they set or? |
| 11:42.01 | fbs | ace0x2a: i haz no idea |
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| 11:42.25 | fbs | only LC_ALL isnt set on mine server |
| 11:42.47 | ace0x2a | and LC_CTYPE? |
| 11:42.55 | fbs | set to utf8en |
| 11:43.19 | fbs | but mine are en_US.utf8 |
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| 11:44.09 | fbs | maybe you can do a dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 11:44.50 | ace0x2a | i done this 3 times and it dont change something |
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| 11:45.41 | fbs | set it to en_us.utf8 |
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| 11:47.26 | ace0x2a | yeah i picked this |
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| 11:56.23 | penos | i'm a newbie. should i use ubuntu or debian? |
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| 11:57.08 | ailo | penos, That might depend on what you want to do with the system, I think. |
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| 11:57.54 | penos | ailo, i tried installing debian but it doesn't recognize my wireless card |
| 11:58.14 | penos | but ubuntu does |
| 11:58.17 | abrotman | penos: which wireless card? some require firmware to work |
| 11:58.23 | ailo | penos, Even after installation was complete? |
| 11:58.45 | penos | yes |
| 11:58.45 | penos | i can't remember which wireless card |
| 11:58.56 | abrotman | penos: lspci -nn .. might help you remember |
| 11:59.03 | ailo | I had the same problem, but I'm guessing that is because some wireless drivers aren't fully free? |
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| 11:59.37 | trick | hey |
| 11:59.56 | trick | is there a program an image viewer program i can run from the command line but opens a window to display the image ? |
| 12:00.00 | abrotman | ailo: some require firmware .. they don't ship firmware in 'main' .. so you have to grab a firmware package and instal it, usually wireless works just fine after that |
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| 12:00.08 | trick | something like: image_view img.png |
| 12:00.08 | abrotman | trick: feh? eog ? |
| 12:00.19 | abrotman | judd: versions feh |
| 12:00.20 | judd | Package feh on i386 -- lenny: 1.3.4.dfsg.1-1; squeeze: 1.8-1; sid: 1.11.2-1; wheezy: 1.11.2-1 |
| 12:00.22 | trick | abrotman: what? |
| 12:00.24 | abrotman | assumes feh is still in Debian ... |
| 12:00.33 | abrotman | trick: apt-cache show feh; apt-cache show eog |
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| 12:00.35 | simonrvn | they need firmware installed to work, and yes some are non-free and need non-free (/msg dpkg non-free) enabled |
| 12:00.44 | silidan | hi, did the last update of the sid repos change something very important? (the nvidia installer seems to crash after i accept the license, only message received signal SIGTERM... what does that mean?) |
| 12:00.47 | olopez_ | hello , one question is the last debian Squeeze copiled to i586 or i686 ? |
| 12:00.54 | abrotman | olopez_: i486 |
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| 12:01.15 | abrotman | there are i686 kernels and libc if you want them |
| 12:01.34 | trick | abrotman: trying it now thanks |
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| 12:01.41 | olopez_ | i want run it on vortex86sx which is i486 arc |
| 12:02.29 | olopez_ | do you know if it is compiled with -march o mtune gcc flag ? |
| 12:02.39 | olopez_ | or wich default flags use ? |
| 12:02.50 | abrotman | where do people keep getting those crappy CPUs? |
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| 12:03.05 | ailo | abrotman, Actually, I even had to remove my wireless in order to install Debian. The installer crashed because of it. There is a bug report on that, though. |
| 12:03.07 | abrotman | you're like the fifth person this week with that junk .. |
| 12:03.18 | abrotman | ailo: you must have some awful wifi card |
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| 12:03.30 | ailo | abrotman, ralink. I have two of them |
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| 12:04.25 | Ogmios | Weird issue, installed squeeze and changed my /etc/network/interfaces so that eth0 has a static, gateway, netmask, and broadcast address and on reboot it never gets an ip4 address, but everything else is setup. If I do "ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.6" it takes the IP and works just fine from that point on. Anywhere else I should look to have rid my setup of DHCP from the install? |
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| 12:04.46 | fbs | Ogmios: maybe netwrok-manager? |
| 12:04.57 | Ogmios | fbs: I uninstalled that |
| 12:05.01 | fbs | ah |
| 12:05.20 | fbs | maybe a typo? |
| 12:05.43 | Ogmios | fbs: I will check it again... |
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| 12:06.28 | Qman | Hello |
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| 12:06.37 | Qman | I have found the same issue with my installs |
| 12:07.01 | zealiod | what do i need radclient to send to start accounting? |
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| 12:07.13 | Qman | eth0 is static and configure eth1 - 4 as well but only eth0 starts proprelly when the machines loads up |
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| 12:07.24 | Qman | and I have to bring the other eth with ifup -a |
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| 12:08.00 | Qman | and I have checked the config file a few time, I do not see where I could have made a mistake |
| 12:08.06 | ace0x2a | fbs: fixed this now |
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| 12:08.42 | ace0x2a | LC_ALL=en_US.UTF8 works |
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| 12:09.21 | ace0x2a | it havent worked in /etc/environment alone and still not in /etc/profile so i also defined it in .bashrc and now it works |
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| 12:09.52 | simonrvn | en_US.UTF-8 FYI |
| 12:10.44 | olopez_ | abrotman: i don´t know it is getting popular it is pice of crap but is very cheap , one cliet has come with this crap on he wants run java+php+http on it ... im going to try but ... i think it is not possible or it is going to be very slow |
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| 12:11.14 | ace0x2a | simonrvn: nope UTF-8 dont work here |
| 12:11.28 | ace0x2a | LC_ALL=en_US.UTF8 |
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| 12:12.21 | fbs | en_US.utf8 here :) |
| 12:12.43 | ace0x2a | maybe in lenny it was en_US.utf-8 |
| 12:12.45 | ace0x2a | ? |
| 12:12.47 | ace0x2a | dunno |
| 12:12.49 | jelly | ace0x2a: the correct value ought to be en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 12:13.09 | jelly | mind the dots and dashes and case |
| 12:13.38 | ace0x2a | jelly: are you sure? |
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| 12:13.51 | jelly | ace0x2a: yes I am 100% sure. |
| 12:14.05 | ace0x2a | atm i work on a ubuntu machine and locale says LANG=en_US.utf8 |
| 12:14.15 | jelly | ace0x2a: Debian is not Ubuntu. |
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| 12:14.26 | ace0x2a | on my debian box its the same now |
| 12:14.31 | fbs | bas@baslab:~$ locale |
| 12:14.31 | fbs | LANG=en_US.utf8 |
| 12:14.34 | fbs | ? |
| 12:14.51 | ace0x2a | jelly: the fact is it _dont_ worked with en_US.utf-8 |
| 12:15.05 | babilen | ace0x2a: You might want to stop the guessing and just run "locale -a" |
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| 12:15.14 | jelly | ace0x2a: that's all right, did anyone say it would? |
| 12:15.27 | jelly | fbs: hush! :-) |
| 12:15.57 | ace0x2a | babilen: locale -a en_US.utf8 |
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| 12:17.06 | silidan | Hi, anyone here that is running sid? if not is there a channel bout sid? |
| 12:17.14 | babilen | ace0x2a: That shouldn't be the only result, quite peculiar if it is |
| 12:17.20 | jelly | ace0x2a: inspect the uncommented lines in /etc/locale.gen to see the current list of locales that are supposed to be installed, and use "dpkg-reconfigure locales" to change/add to it |
| 12:17.23 | cafaro_ | I want to read more about search patterns in "aptitude search", so i did "man aptitude", and it refers to the "Search Patterns" section in the "aptitude reference manual", where can I find this manual? |
| 12:17.45 | petemc | !aptitude search |
| 12:17.45 | dpkg | it has been said that aptitude search is a powerful searching facility that by default only searches package names, but can be made to search priorities, installation status, dependencies etc. See /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03.html from the aptitude-doc package or http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03.html or ask me about <aptitude docs> |
| 12:18.02 | babilen | silidan: A bunch of people probably, I am, as of now, not aware of a sid specific channel. Just ask your question. :) |
| 12:18.08 | cafaro_ | !aptitude docs |
| 12:18.09 | dpkg | Documentation for aptitude can be found in the aptitude-doc package (to see the languages in which it is available, apt-cache showpkg aptitude-doc) or at http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude-doc/en/index.html . See also <aptitude build-dep> <aptitude clone> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude debug> <aptitude search> <aptitude states>. |
| 12:18.49 | silidan | Hi, since last sid update NVIDIA installer fail after license accepting with SIGTERM... what coudl be the reason? |
| 12:19.37 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:19.45 | jelly | silidan: it's not too good an idea to use nvidia's own installer, with respect to package system consistency. |
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| 12:20.03 | jelly | !nvidia |
| 12:20.04 | dpkg | Install either <nouveau> (no 3D support) or the appropriate proprietary driver package for your card. For GeForce 6xxx through to some GeForce 400 series, ask me about <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>; for older series, ask about <nvidia dkms-173xx> <nvidia dkms-96xx>. For oldstable, see <nvidia lenny>. nvidia.com packages are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 12:20.25 | jelly | silidan: I'm using nvidia-kernel-dkms packages from unstable. |
| 12:20.38 | babilen | which is a good choice |
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| 12:21.35 | guesst123 | anyone here using chromium ? |
| 12:21.39 | silidan | kk will try that, cause i currently use nouveau, but i need 3d acceleration... |
| 12:21.43 | jelly | babilen: mind you, I'd use _anything_, including the nvidia installer, to make things work, but I'd be aware it messes with files without dpkg's knowledge and leaves an inconsistent state |
| 12:21.48 | Agiofws | i have logged via ssh into a mchine thats running X how do i find out ITS DISPLAY NUMBER ? |
| 12:21.55 | Agiofws | guesst123, i am |
| 12:22.00 | babilen | jelly: exactly |
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| 12:22.07 | guesst123 | Agiofws: what version are you using ? |
| 12:22.57 | Agiofws | 10.0.648.127 |
| 12:23.05 | Agiofws | why ? |
| 12:23.07 | petemc | Agiofws: ps aux | grep X |
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| 12:23.27 | silidan | jelly: so this nvidia-kernel-dkms installs the binaray nvidia driver? |
| 12:23.39 | babilen | !tell silidan -about nvidia dkms |
| 12:23.41 | zgedneil | I just upgraded to sid which I suspect was probably not the wisest decision :-) and while things are ok now I'd like to track testing instead - can I just change sources.list to look for testing rather than sid or will that break things? |
| 12:23.42 | babilen | silidan: and yes |
| 12:23.56 | jelly | silidan: exactly |
| 12:24.27 | babilen | dpkg: tell zgedneil -about unstable->testing |
| 12:24.51 | silidan | kk, thanks for your help |
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| 12:25.06 | babilen | zgedneil: Another way would be to pin wheezy to 1001 and force the downgrade thereby |
| 12:25.15 | Agiofws | petemc, Ss+ 09:40 6:48 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 ? |
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| 12:25.36 | babilen | silidan: The module will also be automatically recompiled whenever you install a new kernel |
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| 12:26.04 | silidan | babilen: thats good, now... logout and login to get it working or do i have to manually deit my xorg.conf? |
| 12:26.09 | zgedneil | babilen: I was hoping for essentially a gradual downgrade over time, so just changing sourcese.list is the best way to do that from the sound of things? |
| 12:26.24 | zgedneil | if I spell it right, I mean? :-) |
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| 12:26.37 | babilen | silidan: Have you followed the steps in the "nvidia dkms" (assuming you have a card that does not need one of the -legacy drivers) ? |
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| 12:26.56 | babilen | silidan: in the "nvidia dkms" factoid that is :) |
| 12:27.17 | silidan | babilen: what steps? i just installed the package... should i do something else? |
| 12:27.35 | babilen | silidan: See the private message dpkg send you. |
| 12:27.59 | Agiofws | has anyone here used vncserver and viewer ? |
| 12:28.10 | zgedneil | Agiofws: yes though not recently |
| 12:28.28 | babilen | zgedneil: That'll work eventually, but you might have problems to install packages during that time. Apart from the pinning, a reinstall is another option. |
| 12:29.02 | zgedneil | babilen: the migration time is about a month, is that right? |
| 12:29.37 | babilen | zgedneil: 10 days, but that depends on other factors as well, such as bugs that prevent the migration. |
| 12:29.40 | Agiofws | zgedneil, i am trying to use it to VIEW the X session that another user is already USING not a nother virtual X session for my needs just to control it something like a SPY thing but i cannot just get the right X session to view can you help ? |
| 12:30.01 | zgedneil | babilen: ah, that doesn't sound too bad, I'll try it and see how it goes, thanks |
| 12:30.14 | Agiofws | the session i'd like tp spy on would be :0 or somthing like that |
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| 12:30.38 | zgedneil | Agiofws: you're trying to view an existing "normal" X server, right? |
| 12:30.42 | babilen | !tell Agiofws -about x11vnc |
| 12:30.47 | zgedneil | that |
| 12:31.02 | zgedneil | that one I have actually used recently, it works pretty well |
| 12:31.05 | babilen | Agiofws: And please ask the channel, not single users. Your question might get lost otherwise. |
| 12:31.14 | Agiofws | vncserver and veiwer will not do ? |
| 12:31.21 | zgedneil | viewer is fine, server isn't |
| 12:31.25 | Agiofws | i am asking the channel |
| 12:31.28 | Agiofws | oh ok |
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| 12:31.51 | zgedneil | the server will always start up a new session |
| 12:31.53 | babilen | Agiofws: That will allow you to start a remote X session, you want to make an already runnong one available. x11vnc if AFAIK the best way to handle this. |
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| 12:32.47 | Agiofws | thank you ! |
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| 12:33.51 | Agiofws | babilen, can i kill Xrealvnc on the sever ? |
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| 12:35.13 | Agiofws | do i run x11vnc as root or as user on the host ? |
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| 12:36.07 | zgedneil | I imagine it needs the same permission as any other X client |
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| 12:37.40 | DebraBarone | hi everyone -- im trying to set up my second monitor using nvidia-settings, but it doesn't display the resolution/refresh rate i wish to use (1280x960@85hz) - what should i do? |
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| 12:40.11 | WormFood | DebraBarone, you can probably set it manually |
| 12:40.35 | WormFood | but because you don't have that setting showing, it leads me to believe it has probed the monitor, and determined it won't support that rate |
| 12:40.38 | AthomIk | i see web browser take great cpu ressources...... |
| 12:40.58 | DebraBarone | WormFood: Would it be worth reconfirung X server and xorg? |
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| 12:41.08 | WormFood | no AthomIk, it is fuckin' adobe flash that takes great cpu resources....turn off that fuckin' shit, and your web browser will fly |
| 12:41.27 | WormFood | DebraBarone, xorg IS the X server ;) |
| 12:41.31 | DebraBarone | my bad |
| 12:41.52 | WormFood | you might want to save the config with the nivida settings program, then edit it by hand |
| 12:42.18 | DebraBarone | WormFood: I'll try that |
| 12:42.19 | DebraBarone | cheers |
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| 12:44.10 | cafaro_ | Hi, what's the "best" way to install/remove packages through aptitude? I believe apt-get didn't let you remove orphans.. but then again, I see a lot of official manuals use apt-get instead of aptitude. |
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| 12:45.35 | nkuttler | cafaro_: there's deborphans for that |
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| 12:54.00 | silidan | ok problem solved... nouveau didnt unload so nvidia couldnt find a device... deinstalling nouveau and rebooting solved the issue for me... |
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| 12:57.08 | DebraBarone | WormFood: I'm sorry to be a bother but this didn't seem to work. |
| 12:57.15 | DebraBarone | How can I get it to re-probe my monitors? |
| 12:57.28 | WormFood | what exactly did you do? |
| 12:58.01 | DebraBarone | I have tried reconfiguring Xorg, running nvidia-xconfig, removing xorg.conf then running nvidia-xconfig, and some other stuff with nvidia-settings |
| 12:58.17 | soa2ii | What's the difference between /usr/sbin/nologin and /bin/false as login shell? |
| 12:58.23 | DebraBarone | but it still doesn't say the CRT can do 1280x960 |
| 12:58.59 | WormFood | you can do an Xorg -configure, and it will probe your system and write a new xorg.conf file (you need to run it as root) |
| 12:59.25 | WormFood | I'm sure there is a "debian way" to do that....probably with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 12:59.41 | DebraBarone | I'll have to close X for that (shouldve ran irssi in screen) |
| 12:59.43 | DebraBarone | ill try it |
| 12:59.53 | silidan | i think that would be: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 13:00.05 | WormFood | yeah, that looks right silidan |
| 13:00.32 | silidan | but it did fail me every now and then in the past... |
| 13:00.44 | WormFood | I should probably install debian inside of a vmware machine, just to try things like that, without screwing with my main machine ;) |
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| 13:03.02 | DebraBarone | No dice. |
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| 13:05.01 | neoice | is there a way to have xen-create-image use a physical device (like a partition or an iSCSI mount) instead of a file or LVM group? |
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| 13:06.30 | AthomIk | neoice: create the vm,and change the config file |
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| 13:06.51 | ukev | Is there a better tool fot it? |
| 13:06.52 | ukev | for |
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| 13:09.39 | neoice | AthomIk: I'm not positive that I can get pygrub to work as I've had issues with grub-install on xvda devices |
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| 13:12.36 | DammitJim | man, anyone running nm-applet and having issues connecting to wireless networks? |
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| 13:17.05 | AthomIk | neoice: well, i use kvm, xen before at works, never use scripts for create vm old methode |
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| 13:18.09 | silidan | o what can i do about mandb complaining bout no rights for /usr/man or soemthing like that during updates ? |
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| 13:21.53 | DebraBarone | WormFood: I did some editing to xorg.conf, and now it's running at my resolution I desire (and it seems the resolutions are now listed in nvidia-settings, too) but it won't go higher than 60Hz and, as I am sure you know, that looks horrible. |
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| 13:22.05 | DebraBarone | I know from Windows that it can run at 85Hz - what can I do to enable this refresh rate? |
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| 13:23.22 | WormFood | DebraBarone, you changed it in the config file? |
| 13:23.31 | tedo | question about wheezy & ooo & lo |
| 13:23.33 | WormFood | you may want to raise the lower limit to above 60 |
| 13:23.57 | tedo | new upgrades wants to remove some ooo packages, some to be upgraded and some new packages from lo to be installed. Can it work in such mix? |
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| 13:24.30 | DebraBarone | WormFood: How do I do this? Also, if I set it to 1280x960_85 (or whatever the correct syntax is) the monitor appears as if it cannot display the resolution. |
| 13:24.48 | DebraBarone | But Xorg still allows me to place shit onto it, meaning it thinks it's there & is working, I believe. |
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| 13:26.04 | WormFood | yes, if you force it, by not giving it a lower limit, it does not go to that frequency |
| 13:26.34 | WormFood | but say you set the limit to 85, but it is really 84.9 (I've seen this type of stuff happen before), then it will go to the next higher one, which your monitor won't support |
| 13:27.22 | tedo | http://paste.debian.net/111116/ |
| 13:27.22 | WormFood | so, I'd suggest you set your lower limit on your refresh to 61 now, if it won't go above 60....and work your way up until it stop working...and set it at the last working setting ;) |
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| 13:27.46 | DammitJim | babilen, thank you for reminding me |
| 13:27.53 | AthomIk | kvm no run with ramdisk for vm...... |
| 13:28.14 | DebraBarone | WormFood: Thanks, but where is this limit listed? |
| 13:28.59 | WormFood | I'm guessing it didn't write it out for you, and is auto-detecting it |
| 13:29.23 | lord_rob | Anybody using gnash as a flash replacement ? Is it working well ? My flash can't help but crashing on my iceweasel/64 bits core2-quad config |
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| 13:29.34 | WormFood | look for lines like--> HorizSync 30.0 - 80.0 \n VertRefresh 60.0 - 75.0 \n |
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| 13:31.20 | tedo | lord_rob: flashplugin-nonfree is working just fine @iceweasel,64bit, Dual-Core |
| 13:31.59 | WormFood | I didn't notice it before, buy we tend to say "64 bit" more than "64 bits" (google it...65,300,000 results for "64 bit", and 7,430,000 for "64 bits")....isn't english weird sometimes? |
| 13:32.34 | tedo | lord_rob: some experts says, gnash isn't good (I think so too) |
| 13:32.42 | WormFood | lord_rob, I suggest you use something like noscript...flash is pure shit...made by adobe or others, it is and will always be shit |
| 13:32.43 | DebraBarone | WormFood: It only seems to list the LCD monitor, should I add another ``Section "Monitor"''? Thanks for your help, btw. |
| 13:32.47 | lord_rob | that's what I'm currently using too, and I keep seeing "the Adobe Flash plugin has crashed unexpectedly" |
| 13:33.07 | DebraBarone | lord_rob: Are you using FF4/Minefield? |
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| 13:33.46 | lord_rob | DebraBarone: I know it's shite but I'd like something to replace it |
| 13:33.48 | _jesse_ | WormFood: :p Well the architecture is 64-bit, not 64-bits. I think it makes sense as an adjective |
| 13:33.54 | WormFood | DebraBarone, yeah, same for my config...I haven't manually edited the xconf file, other than small tweaks, in probably 10 years...I don't remember the syntax off-hand...but you can find it syntax without too much problem....in fact, I imagine you can probably experiment with it a little, and figure it out on your own. |
| 13:34.01 | lord_rob | anyway there nothing for the moment :/ |
| 13:34.04 | _jesse_ | Like, "this is a 500 page book" not "this is a 500 pages book" |
| 13:34.27 | jelly | "this a a short book" |
| 13:34.37 | lord_rob | DebraBarone: what's ff4/minefield ? |
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| 13:34.49 | DebraBarone | lord_rob: I didn't know if you were using Firefox 4 or Minefield. |
| 13:34.59 | DebraBarone | Or the current FF release (3.x). |
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| 13:35.11 | lord_rob | is using iceweasel |
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| 13:35.22 | tedo | probably Iceweasel/3.5.17 (like Firefox/3.5.17) |
| 13:35.44 | WormFood | good explanation _jesse_...BUT still odd how english changes the format that way....do you think that is easy for non-native speakers to learn? (by the way, I sometimes teach english to native chinese speakers) |
| 13:35.48 | lord_rob | 3.6.4 |
| 13:36.02 | lord_rob | iceweasel/3.6.4 |
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| 13:36.18 | lord_rob | (I'm running sid) |
| 13:36.39 | zconfigure | Hi, I have a question. What is the best Debian selection for download when installing into a virtual machine? |
| 13:36.40 | tedo | lord_rob: aha, sid is the problem |
| 13:37.00 | lord_rob | no tedo FLASH is |
| 13:37.10 | _jesse_ | WormFood: maybe; I think all noun adjectives are singular |
| 13:37.16 | _jesse_ | at least I can't think of one that isn't |
| 13:37.39 | tedo | lord_rob: wheezy is testing enough |
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| 13:37.43 | _jesse_ | I feel like English is a difficult language to learn, but I've also been told otherwise by some |
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| 13:38.03 | babilen | lord_rob: That version is not in sid. You can get 3.5.17-in wheezy/sid or 4.0~rc1-1 in experimental |
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| 13:39.16 | babilen | lord_rob: Please try the version in experimental and check if you can reproduce the error. It is also a good idea to run "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" once in a while to update the flash plugin to the newest version. |
| 13:39.32 | WormFood | _jesse_, english IS hard to learn...at least the grammar is...as far as just communicating, I don't feel it is too hard...but to communicate with proper/correct grammar it is 'too hard' |
| 13:39.53 | _jesse_ | WormFood: makes sense :) |
| 13:40.48 | WormFood | and while we feel a lot of the english rules are silly, somewhere along the line, someone thought it was a good idea to introduce those things to the language |
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| 13:41.01 | zconfigure | any1 |
| 13:41.02 | redax | hi. |
| 13:41.09 | tedo | is anybody using ooo & lo in wheezy? I dont know what to do with upgrades http://paste.debian.net/111116/ |
| 13:41.27 | babilen | WormFood, _jesse_: This is getting quite off-topic. You might want to continue in a different channel, like #defocus or #d-ot |
| 13:42.00 | babilen | zconfigure: What do you mean by "selection" ? |
| 13:42.08 | redax | please help with the new LSBInitScript ... I tried the X-Stop-Before:, the Required-Stop and friends. but my startup sequence still wrong |
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| 13:42.36 | zconfigure | aka "flavors" |
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| 13:43.34 | zconfigure | best Debian flavor to dwnld when installing from a virtual machine.. |
| 13:43.56 | babilen | zconfigure: I still don't quite understand what you are referring to. Are you, mayhaps, speaking about the different images (business,netinstall,cd,dvd) you can use to install Debian? |
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| 13:44.10 | zconfigure | yep |
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| 13:44.46 | babilen | zconfigure: Ah, I generally recommend the netinstall image if you have a working internet connection during the installation or shortly thereafter. |
| 13:44.59 | babilen | !tell zconfigure -about netinstall |
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| 13:45.46 | DammitJim | +1 netinstall |
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| 13:46.07 | DammitJim | was there something up with the repos yesterday? I kept getting errors when apt-get update |
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| 13:48.08 | redax | seems like X-Stop-Afer and X-Start-Before is not used |
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| 13:49.21 | dvs | DammitJim: It could be your mirror. |
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| 13:50.08 | confoocious | ANybody know why I can't mount my phone (on storage mode)? Shows up fine as /dev/sdb in dmesg. |
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| 13:50.41 | DammitJim | yeah, it's all good today... I'm using ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ |
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| 13:51.07 | DammitJim | confoocious, what phone is it? |
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| 13:52.07 | DebraBarone | WormFood: http://david.irc.su/misc/wormfood.jpg |
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| 13:52.37 | WormFood | debhelper, sorry, I have to pick up my girlfriend at the bus stop now...I'll try to follow up with you when I get back |
| 13:52.46 | DebraBarone | WormFood: Thanks again buddy |
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| 13:53.10 | WormFood | thanks for the screen shot...your welcome...glad I could help |
| 13:53.16 | DebraBarone | ;) |
| 13:53.39 | DammitJim | if I may ask, what is that, DebraBarone ? |
| 13:53.46 | DebraBarone | DammitJim: What is what? |
| 13:54.05 | DammitJim | that screenshot? it looks pretty LOL |
| 13:54.07 | WormFood | what program did you use to make the "thanks wormfood"? |
| 13:54.18 | DebraBarone | DammitJim: It's just a screenie of my dual monitors working |
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| 13:54.31 | DebraBarone | WormFood: I used ``toilet'' with the --gay prefix for the rainbow colouring |
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| 13:54.36 | DammitJim | oh ok, so the Thanks is on the second monitor? |
| 13:54.43 | WormFood | hahaha |
| 13:54.49 | DammitJim | funny |
| 13:54.52 | WormFood | ok, see ya l8r, gotta pick up my girl |
| 13:54.54 | DebraBarone | DammitJim: Actually, the IRC is on the second monitor (it only fits on the left of my desk) |
| 13:54.57 | DebraBarone | bye |
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| 13:55.14 | zconfigure | One last question: Why, upon install, would a bootloader fail to install..this happened to me when I was installing Debian using a virtual machine. I will try netinst this next time around, thanks. |
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| 13:59.38 | redax | hm got it... missunderstood Required-Start/Required-Stop |
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| 14:00.52 | emacsenlee | lsmod returns no alsa working ,so alsa was not installed properly right? |
| 14:01.22 | dvs | emacsenlee: how can lsmod say alsa is not working? |
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| 14:02.01 | emacsenlee | isnt that alsa offers module for sound? |
| 14:02.11 | lord_rob | is making the mega update of sid and cannot the difference yet :) |
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| 14:02.39 | lord_rob | there 600 mb to download |
| 14:02.42 | dvs | emacsenlee: the sound kernel modules start with "snd" |
| 14:02.44 | lord_rob | were |
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| 14:02.56 | klarakarl | can anyone help ? Fresh squeze install went fine but unable to boot. When I try to boot I end up with initrd complining on unavailable lvm volumes. vgchange -a y resolves and I can boot. The lvm is over adaptec raid storage |
| 14:03.27 | Ziber | When using 2.6.26-2-xen-686 on debian lenny, is there any way I can get ext4 support? |
| 14:03.37 | klarakarl | How can I make this boot without intarraction with hands |
| 14:03.40 | klarakarl | ? |
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| 14:04.18 | emacsenlee | ok i see ,but there is no sound output and vlc returns : VLC failed to initialize your sound output device (if any). Please update alsa-lib to version 1.0.23-2-g8d80d5f or higher to try to fix this issue. |
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| 14:06.06 | Ziber | On debian, whats the package I need for do-release-upgrade? |
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| 14:06.59 | IRConan | hi I'm trying to set my umask to 0002 on a debian box but currently it only works on interactive shells |
| 14:07.06 | IRConan | I have the setting in both /etc/profile and /etc/login.defs |
| 14:07.14 | IRConan | is there anywhere else it can be defined? |
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| 14:08.23 | emacsenlee | so i guess alsa-lib version is not high enough |
| 14:09.45 | justin | emacsenlee: what does aplay -l output? |
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| 14:10.23 | emacsenlee | let me see |
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| 14:11.06 | emacsenlee | aplay: main:654: audio open error: No such file or directory |
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| 14:12.33 | bibekp | hi, after upgrading from etch to lenny, i have this problem: http://pastie.org/1686327 |
| 14:12.47 | bibekp | putting modutils on hold didn't solve this. any help on how to fix it ? |
| 14:12.50 | abrotman | bibekp: jesus .. a real live 2.4 kernel ? |
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| 14:13.04 | bibekp | abrotman, yes, a VM |
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| 14:13.15 | abrotman | bibekp: what does 'uname -r' return currently ? |
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| 14:13.18 | zxd--- | hi |
| 14:13.18 | bibekp | i plan to upgrade, but after i fix these errors |
| 14:13.26 | zxd--- | what's the proper way of mounting an nfs volume at boot |
| 14:13.29 | zxd--- | on lenny |
| 14:13.36 | bibekp | abrotman, it returns 2.6.18-6-xen-amd64 |
| 14:13.52 | abrotman | bibekp: so you can remove the 2.4 kernel |
| 14:14.03 | RichiH | i am transferring data via dd to a drive connected via usb. i tried several card readers and cards, plus different usb ports. my max speed is 250 kB/s (!!!) even though the cards and reader can easily sustain 10 MB/s. ideas what might cause this and/or how to track this down? |
| 14:14.26 | abrotman | kink in the cable |
| 14:14.32 | bibekp | abrotman, i remove these packages: kernel-image-2.4.27-1-386 kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686-smp kernel-image-2.4.27-3-686-smp ? |
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| 14:14.38 | abrotman | sounds reasonable .. you're not using them |
| 14:15.13 | bibekp | abrotman, yes. i'll try it. these packages are now called linux-image, right |
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| 14:15.20 | emacsenlee | aplay -l returns card 0: HDMI [HDA ATI HDMI], device 3: ATI HDMI [ATI HDMI] |
| 14:15.48 | emacsenlee | i missed l for I right now |
| 14:16.03 | RichiH | abrotman: i tried different cables, as well |
| 14:16.12 | abrotman | RichiH: it was a joke :( |
| 14:16.18 | abrotman | bibekp: you can let aptitude remove them |
| 14:16.29 | RichiH | abrotman: less joking, more solving! |
| 14:16.40 | bibekp | abrotman, i will do it manually i think |
| 14:17.18 | justin | emacsenlee: are you trying to use hdmi sound output? |
| 14:18.01 | emacsenlee | no,i am not,the notebook speaker is silent |
| 14:18.17 | abrotman | RichiH: uhci vs ehci ? Not sure if that matters |
| 14:18.22 | emacsenlee | so the sound card is not found |
| 14:19.25 | justin | emacsenlee: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 14:19.37 | emacsenlee | ok |
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| 14:21.55 | confoocious | DammitJim: It's a Motorola L9. |
| 14:22.06 | confoocious | DammitJim: However, it doesn't seem to work with moto4lin either. |
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| 14:22.25 | confoocious | DammitJim: Hence trying to mount the phone directly as a storage device. |
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| 14:24.20 | emacsenlee | there are 2 issues with snd,1st SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) and 2nd Radeon X1200 Series Audio Controller |
| 14:24.50 | DammitJim | confoocious, can you manually mount it? or are you trying to see if it mounts automatically? |
| 14:24.52 | emacsenlee | so its the x1200 audio controller problem |
| 14:25.17 | confoocious | DammitJim: It doesn't mount automatically. I'm trying to mount it manually. |
| 14:25.25 | DammitJim | what errors do you get? |
| 14:25.47 | confoocious | DammitJim: mount: /dev/sdb: unknown device |
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| 14:26.20 | DammitJim | confoocious, what command are you using? |
| 14:26.28 | DammitJim | you probably need to use /dev/sdb1 or something |
| 14:26.59 | confoocious | DammitJim: mount /dev/sdb foo/ |
| 14:27.11 | confoocious | DammitJim: Oh?.. let me try. |
| 14:27.36 | DammitJim | sdb is just the device, you need to specify the partition (not sure what that is called) which is the number |
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| 14:28.08 | confoocious | DammitJim: Last line of dmesg | tail said this: [14409.290436] sd 14:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk |
| 14:28.17 | confoocious | DammitJim: Okay, I'll try 1, 2, etc. |
| 14:29.15 | DammitJim | confoocious, there should have been a line that said: |
| 14:29.21 | DammitJim | sdb: sdb1 or something |
| 14:29.29 | confoocious | DammitJim: Well, I tried sdb1, 2 etc. It says "special device whatever does not exist". |
| 14:29.33 | confoocious | DammitJim: I'll check again. |
| 14:29.40 | DammitJim | pastebin your dmesg |
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| 14:30.34 | confoocious | DammitJim: http://pastebin.com/e7X8jb5S |
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| 14:32.37 | DammitJim | weird |
| 14:32.40 | DammitJim | did you try sdb0? |
| 14:32.51 | confoocious | DammitJim: I'll try. |
| 14:33.13 | confoocious | DammitJim: Samething. Special device sdb0 does not exist. |
| 14:33.44 | DammitJim | I can't remember the command to find out what partition you have |
| 14:33.49 | babilen | confoocious: "fdisk -l /dev/sdb" ? |
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| 14:34.21 | DammitJim | yes, fdisk! |
| 14:34.27 | confoocious | babilen: DammitJim: "Cannot open /dev/sdb" |
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| 14:35.05 | DammitJim | sounds like it cannot be just mounted directly |
| 14:37.02 | goose | what package(s) do I need to install to be able to view characters from languages not english? |
| 14:37.20 | babilen | goose: suitable fonts |
| 14:37.28 | confoocious | DammitJim: Hmm.. |
| 14:37.30 | emacsenlee | whats your language |
| 14:37.33 | goose | thanks babilen |
| 14:37.36 | emacsenlee | goose |
| 14:37.55 | confoocious | Any idea what I need to do to figure out how to mount it? |
| 14:38.03 | babilen | goose: That really depends on the languages you want to view. You might want to elaborate a bit more. Where do you want them? Which languages/scripts/ ... |
| 14:38.19 | confoocious | IIRC, it used to "just work" maybe an year and a half or so back. |
| 14:38.26 | confoocious | Not that it's useful information.. |
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| 14:38.34 | goose | emacsenlee: my language? english. but there are instances where someone will post some japanese characters on IRC, for example, which I can't view |
| 14:38.53 | Ziber | whats the package name for do-release-upgrade to upgrade the next version of debian? im running 5.0.4 atm |
| 14:39.13 | DammitJim | confoocious, what used to work? |
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| 14:39.42 | emacsenlee | japanese?i think apt-cache search font|grep jap will give you an answer |
| 14:39.43 | confoocious | DammitJim: It used to show up as a USB storage device. |
| 14:39.50 | DammitJim | oh ok |
| 14:39.53 | confoocious | The same phone. |
| 14:39.56 | dvs | Ziber: There is no package. There is a set of instructions |
| 14:40.25 | babilen | goose: I would recommend to install xfonts-intl-japanese (or xfonts-intl-asian) and some nice japanese fonts such as ttf-sazanami-{gothic,mincho} |
| 14:40.43 | babilen | goose: I also like to have the arphic fonts installed |
| 14:40.45 | dvs | !tell Ziber about lenny->squeeze |
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| 14:41.01 | babilen | dpkg: tell Ziber -about lenny->squeeze |
| 14:41.16 | dvs | too late! |
| 14:41.19 | dvs | ;-) |
| 14:41.23 | babilen | Ziber: Please also follow the release notes. Read, in particular, "What's new in Squeeze" and chapter 4 |
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| 14:41.49 | babilen | dvs: No, not too late. ! does not work with -> |
| 14:42.09 | dvs | babilen: ? |
| 14:42.20 | dvs | I never knew that. |
| 14:42.26 | babilen | dvs: dpkg does not work if you combine ! and -> |
| 14:42.30 | babilen | !lenny->squeeze |
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| 14:43.43 | dvs | babilen: dpkg msgs me the factoid. That's weird. |
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| 14:44.01 | confoocious | DammitJim: babilen Thanks anyhow! |
| 14:44.14 | babilen | dvs: ah, maybe !tell + -> works :-\ -- Will experiment later |
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| 14:44.36 | babilen | !tell Ziber -about squeeze release notes |
| 14:44.43 | goose | thankx babilen |
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| 14:46.46 | babilen | goose: There are a couple of other fonts too, such as ttf-takao* -- Run "apt-cache search japanese fonts" and use the ones you like. I only speak Chinese and found the ttf-arphic-{ukai,uming} fonts to be very good, but have no clue about Japanese. |
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| 14:47.03 | babilen | Ziber: That should get you going. If you have further questions do not hesitate to ask :) |
| 14:47.08 | ov3rmind | hi there to all, somebody have any trouble with grub2 atualization or update to creation off .cfg file. here could not change the file some strange! |
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| 14:48.24 | babilen | ov3rmind: What are you trying to achieve? What exactly have you done and what where the errors/problems you encountered. Please provide as much information (commands+output) as possible in a pastebin. |
| 14:48.52 | mms_ | I am upgrading from lenny to squeeze. I was reading http://www.howtoforge.com/upgrade-debian-lenny-to-squeeze-in-a-few-simple-steps the linux image I see seems older than what I already have. I think I already executed the step with image mentioned on page. what to do ? |
| 14:49.28 | mms_ | I have done grub update and reboot and now see entries in boot list |
| 14:50.05 | mms_ | both 2.6.32-2-686 list on page and one probably I had 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 14:50.10 | ov3rmind | ok, i have write add scripts and put this in /etc/grub.d directory with a++x permissions |
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| 14:51.05 | babilen | ov3rmind: why? |
| 14:51.32 | ov3rmind | but when i run update-grub2 he tell me works fine but not made any change |
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| 14:53.20 | dvs | mms_: That is the right version for squeeze. |
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| 14:53.30 | ov3rmind | when i learned with grub2 i have read it is necessary write your own scripts to eatch os do you want create a menu |
| 14:53.47 | mms_ | both 2.6.32-2-686 ....this one ? |
| 14:53.55 | mms_ | dvs: 2.6.32-2-686 ....this one ? |
| 14:54.13 | babilen | ov3rmind: What exactly are you trying to achieve? |
| 14:54.22 | ov3rmind | 2.6.35 i guess |
| 14:54.22 | dvs | mms_: 2.6.32-5 is the current version |
| 14:54.39 | mms_ | dvs: so I should use current right ? |
| 14:54.54 | dvs | mms_: Yes |
| 14:54.57 | mms_ | dvs: I should uninstall 2.6.32-2 |
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| 14:55.20 | mms_ | dvs: is there grub command to remove the entry ? |
| 14:55.21 | dvs | mms_: grub will default to the latest one which is 2.6.32-5 so it really doesn't matter |
| 14:55.48 | mms_ | dvs: I see two entries in list so want to get rid of one that is old |
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| 14:56.01 | mms_ | dvs: how to quickly fix it ? |
| 14:56.15 | dvs | mms_: 2.6.32-2 is the old one. Use dpkg to get rid of it. |
| 14:56.21 | ov3rmind | i use one vanila kernel for hw compatibility |
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| 14:57.03 | mms_ | dvs: command please ? |
| 14:57.20 | dvs | mms_: dpkg -P linux-image-2.6.32-2 |
| 14:57.21 | babilen | ov3rmind: Why was that needed? Did you use make-kpkg to compile it or did you follow the instructions on http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage ? |
| 14:57.53 | babilen | dvs: (haven't read the backlog) but why dpkg? aptitude/apt-get should be able to remove/purge it just fine, shouldn't they? |
| 14:58.09 | dvs | babilen: Oh, that will work too. |
| 14:58.30 | ov3rmind | i see the note config details i not remember all |
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| 14:58.55 | dvs | babilen: I like to kick it old school. ;-) |
| 14:59.07 | mms_ | dvs: ignoring request to remove what is not installed |
| 15:00.10 | dvs | mms_: Then what's in /boot? |
| 15:00.10 | mms_ | dvs: I think i need to pass 2.6.32-2-686 |
| 15:00.11 | babilen | mms_: "aptitude search ~i~n^linux-image" â http://paste.debian.net |
| 15:00.45 | jnewt_ | i have an xp machine that i use solely to run a few pieces of software, one that runs an accounting database (peachtree), the other is for ups monitoring. I have tried to use samba, the problem is the dbengine, and i have tried the ups monitoring sw, but it's command line, and not very high featured, so i am thinking of a virtual xp machine. Will this solve my problems? |
| 15:01.00 | ov3rmind | here all machines are x86_64 |
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| 15:01.39 | babilen | ov3rmind: yes, so? Why did you compile a vanilla kernel? How did you do this? *What are you trying to achieve?* |
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| 15:02.29 | ov3rmind | but laptop resources under 2.6.34 |
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| 15:03.51 | envirocbr | jnewt_: I would virtualize to save myself headaches |
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| 15:04.07 | babilen | ov3rmind: What is your native language? |
| 15:04.18 | ov3rmind | this is working fine but after most recently updates in squeeze and upgrade my gentoo kernel in same box the grub stop to update confs |
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| 15:06.49 | mms_ | network interface stopped working after doing the install |
| 15:07.13 | simonrvn | !firmware |
| 15:07.13 | dpkg | Firmware (sometimes termed "microcode") is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel modules require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Ask me about <listkeys firmware> and <search> my factoids. Some firmware is available via Debian packages. See also http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware and <installer firmware>. |
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| 15:07.51 | mms_ | quick any one how to configure the eth0 |
| 15:07.55 | mms_ | from command line |
| 15:08.05 | simonrvn | !interfaces |
| 15:08.05 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 15:08.29 | xk | quick quick |
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| 15:08.51 | simonrvn | if you know what you're doing it is 'quick quick' ;) |
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| 15:09.48 | envirocbr | mms_: quick is a google search |
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| 15:10.23 | envirocbr | http://tinyurl.com/4boj5ol |
| 15:10.26 | mms_ | actually in my interfaces I have only lo and I think some how things have been working for eth0 too. cannot remember how |
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| 15:10.56 | envirocbr | What? |
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| 15:11.31 | envirocbr | mms_: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254 |
| 15:11.51 | xk | hmm |
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| 15:15.09 | jnewt_ | need a little advice before moving on. at startup, i get a bunch of errors about NFSD server localhost not responding, and rpc failed to contact local rpcbind server. |
| 15:15.31 | envirocbr | I should really continue studying for my CCNA....damn you IRC |
| 15:15.49 | jnewt_ | it runs through pretty quick, i just catch what i can. |
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| 15:16.18 | envirocbr | jnewt_: Have you checked your logs? |
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| 15:17.17 | mms_ | its http://paste.debain.net/111128 |
| 15:18.02 | mms_ | envirocbr: its http://paste.debain.net/111128 |
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| 15:18.32 | mms_ | babilen: its http://paste.debain.net/111128 |
| 15:18.51 | jnewt_ | envirocbr: i don't see anything about nfsd or rpcbind server in syslog, maybe another log is where i should be looking? |
| 15:19.00 | envirocbr | jnewt_: Keep looking |
| 15:19.14 | jnewt_ | heh |
| 15:19.17 | envirocbr | man nfsd doesn't at least tell you where the nfsd log is located |
| 15:19.29 | envirocbr | mms_: Link doesn't work my frient |
| 15:19.37 | envirocbr | either htat or Chrome sucks bigger than I thought it ever did |
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| 15:19.49 | mms_ | paste.debian |
| 15:19.51 | mms_ | type |
| 15:19.53 | mms_ | typo |
| 15:20.01 | babilen | mms_: You could remove the linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 with, for example, "aptitude purge linux-image-2.6.26-2-686" |
| 15:20.08 | envirocbr | mms_: Yeah, I fixed that...still nothing |
| 15:20.22 | envirocbr | please use just use pastebin.com |
| 15:20.38 | babilen | mms_: It is, generally speaking, a good idea to use the wonder of copy and paste (select+middle mouse click) to transfer URLs from one program to another |
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| 15:20.56 | babilen | envirocbr: paste.debian.net is working just fine |
| 15:21.05 | envirocbr | babilen: Hmmm |
| 15:21.19 | envirocbr | babilen: Not working from here |
| 15:21.24 | babilen | envirocbr: http://paste.debian.net/111128 (no idea what you have been trying) |
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| 15:22.00 | envirocbr | babilen: Exactly that...would you like a screen shot? |
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| 15:22.57 | mms_ | babilen: nice it fixed grub too ....i have space issue on my machine and not sure how can I reduce....can one guide....I dont think I have much of things which I dont need so would be nice to figure out what is less important and remove so I can dist-upgrade to squeeze |
| 15:24.23 | mms_ | I have 1.3 GB space in /home device and apt uses /var ...../ have only 403MB free |
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| 15:24.27 | blip2 | aaaaaa/w #se |
| 15:24.43 | syn4pse- | hello I`m trying to add a bridge ( brctl addbr br0 eth0 ) I always get the message: Package not installed ( but i enabled BRIDGE in the config when building that kernel ) any ideas? |
| 15:24.58 | trebuchet | is brctl installed |
| 15:25.03 | syn4pse- | yes |
| 15:25.10 | trebuchet | wipe and reinstall |
| 15:25.12 | babilen | mms_: Some things to reduce space are discussed in the release notes. A non-destructive thing is "aptitude autoclean" which will remove previously downloaded and no longer installed/outdated pakages from the download cache. Tools worth a look are also baobab and bleachbit. Be careful with the last one though. |
| 15:25.38 | jnewt_ | envirocbr: is nfs required for samba shares? not sure why it's even trying to start. btw, still can't find a log with the info that shows on startup. |
| 15:25.39 | babilen | mms_: "aptitude clean" will remove the complete package cache. |
| 15:26.12 | mms_ | I better try clean |
| 15:26.25 | envirocbr | jnewt_: What is your end goal and as of now is it working?> |
| 15:26.47 | syn4pse- | still the same |
| 15:26.48 | mms_ | babilen: not much help...freed 300MB |
| 15:27.14 | mms_ | babilen: dist upgrade failed that it needs 1.1 gb or so |
| 15:27.16 | jnewt_ | envirocbr: my end goal is to understand why all these error messages are showing up and how to fix them. |
| 15:27.17 | envirocbr | jnewt_: Last I checked...NFS is not needed by Samba...two different protocols |
| 15:27.41 | envirocbr | Set them NOT to start |
| 15:27.58 | emacsenlee | i have installed alsa-base 1.0.23 from unstable but why cat /proc/asound/version is still 1.0.21? |
| 15:28.01 | envirocbr | and telinit to a lower run level and then telinit back to see what happens |
| 15:28.39 | envirocbr | You will have to edit your /etc/rc#.d (I could be slightly wrong on this) but in there you will see a file like S##nfsd, just change that to K##nfsd |
| 15:28.44 | guesst123 | Agiofws: can you tell me how to upgrade my chromium-browser 6.x to 10.x or 11.x on debian ? |
| 15:29.01 | mms_ | installing baobab...its quite huge needed 229MB |
| 15:29.17 | envirocbr | and then update-rc scriptname defaults |
| 15:29.50 | envirocbr | this will prevent the service from running. |
| 15:30.39 | mms_ | the debian title bar shows no networking while I was able to get going with dhclient...why does not title bar update ? |
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| 15:32.23 | quentusrex | Anyone here familiar with mailman and exim? I seem to be having a problem with exim parsing the config.pck because mailman is encoding it somehow. Any ideas? |
| 15:34.38 | jnewt_ | envirocbr: i don't understand the man page part about /etc/rc?.d i have a bunch of these, and it doesn't tell me why there are multiple ones, and which one i need to look into. |
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| 15:42.54 | [eXception] | hi.. is there any gui-tool to read and analyse syslog messages? |
| 15:42.59 | [eXception] | with hightlitghting and all |
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| 15:44.02 | ttyS11 | hello, X keeps freezing on me I get the following error on syslog: kernel: [64033.224018] [drm:i915_hangcheck_elapsed] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... GPU hung |
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| 15:44.28 | petemc | [eXception]: i pipe my logs through ccze, not exactly gui but decent hilighting |
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| 15:45.03 | Ziber | would someone mind pastebining their sources.list for debian squeeze, please? |
| 15:45.23 | [eXception] | thx petemc |
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| 15:47.24 | babilen | !tell Ziber -about squeeze sources.list |
| 15:47.49 | babilen | !tell Ziber -about squeeze security |
| 15:47.49 | jnewt_ | so i changed the file in rcS.d for nfs-common from S to K, and i am still getting the errors. i was understanding this would stop the starting of the nfs stuff all together. is this not true? |
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| 15:48.09 | babilen | !tell Ziber -about squeeze-updates |
| 15:48.14 | envirocbr | jnewt_: update-rc scriptname defaults |
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| 15:54.40 | jnewt_ | envirocbr: i do not have update-rc installed, is this necessary? |
| 15:55.27 | abrotman | update-rc.d is the name |
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| 15:56.22 | jnewt_ | abrotman: i see the man page for it, i could install it, but it seems odd that i would have to install something to start/stop services at boot. why is this? |
| 15:57.32 | petemc | jnewt_: if you're running debian you already have it, its in /usr/sbin/ |
| 15:59.01 | jnewt_ | yeah, ok, i see it. |
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| 16:02.34 | abrotman | jnewt_: you don't have to use it.. some do it manually with ln/rm |
| 16:02.37 | jnewt_ | before i start changing things. how do i find out why i am getting the error messages? i don't see anything in syslog |
| 16:03.47 | jnewt_ | and do i even need nfs? can't i just uninstall it? seems it is an outdated service, replaced by samba. |
| 16:04.28 | Bushmills | sounds like "ext3 has been replaced by ntfs" |
| 16:05.23 | Bushmills | but you can uninstall it if you don't need or use it |
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| 16:06.10 | Bushmills | though the stock kernel will come with precompiled modules for it, which doesn't matter if you don't load them |
| 16:07.03 | jnewt_ | i don't know if i need or use it, i'm afaid i use something that may depend on it, however, i can't seem to find a command to check what depends on it |
| 16:08.01 | Bushmills | apt-cache rdepends nfs-kernel-server |
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| 16:08.32 | Bushmills | or nfs-common, for that matter |
| 16:08.40 | jnewt_ | apt-rdepends seems to find what it depends on, not what depends on it |
| 16:09.05 | Kre10s | I've just restarted my apache2 server I get two lines in top that show something like this: 30860 www-data 40 0 270m 30m 3864 S 0 11.5 0:00.44 apache2 |
| 16:09.39 | Kre10s | shouldn't this process die when it is finished serving the request? |
| 16:10.01 | xk | only if you set MaxClients to like 1 |
| 16:10.17 | Bushmills | Kre10s: your config specifies how often a thread will be reused, and how many spare ones will wait, idling |
| 16:10.25 | xk | or MaxRequestsPerChild to 1 |
| 16:10.50 | Kre10s | cool. |
| 16:11.20 | xk | er, the second one |
| 16:11.36 | xk | but its better to set MaxSpareServers to a low number. |
| 16:11.49 | jnewt_ | apt-rdepends command not found. |
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| 16:11.56 | Kre10s | yes. I'm having problems with memory management |
| 16:12.18 | xk | how much ram? php? |
| 16:12.23 | Kre10s | apache spawning 20 children that each use 11% of my memory |
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| 16:12.40 | Kre10s | xk very little ram 256Mb and php. |
| 16:12.50 | xk | hmm |
| 16:12.51 | Bushmills | not "each" |
| 16:13.10 | xk | ok... best approach is this |
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| 16:14.00 | Kre10s | Bushmills: top ... 11.5 0:00.44 apache2 |
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| 16:14.07 | jnewt_ | well, i don't think i want to uninstall that! there are tons of dependencies both ways. |
| 16:14.25 | jnewt_ | don't think i should stop it from starting either. |
| 16:14.25 | Kre10s | Bushmills: this means 11.5% for that process right? |
| 16:14.43 | Bushmills | but not per thread. that's the total |
| 16:14.54 | zen_monkey | hi, how can i dump messages like [3344.254234] something to a text file? |
| 16:15.12 | zen_monkey | those on the same format as seen at boot |
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| 16:15.59 | achadwick | zen_monkey: dmesg > file.txt |
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| 16:17.02 | zen_monkey | holly... it's leaving some nasty output to the screen... kernel panic sign spotted :s |
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| 16:18.20 | Kre10s | Bushmills: ok. so when theres two entries for apache2, one that uses 11.5 and another that uses 10.2, apache2 is using 21.7% in total... no? |
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| 16:18.38 | sione | hello there, i dont use Debian, but i need to know the best graphic card in the open-source for linux, any idea ? |
| 16:18.39 | Bushmills | ab idle apache thread doesn't use 30 MiB |
| 16:18.43 | Bushmills | aN |
| 16:18.58 | zen_monkey | error:no such partition. -> Entering rescue mode... grub rescue > |
| 16:18.59 | pipeline | sione: All of the options are pretty bad. |
| 16:19.14 | pipeline | sione: Intel graphics are probably the best supported modern card if you want purely open source support. |
| 16:19.32 | pipeline | sione: Proprietary drivers for nvidia cards are pretty well supported, but the proprietary drivers can be a pain in your ass. |
| 16:20.08 | pipeline | sione: There is some halfway reasonable open source support for modern ATI/AMD radeon cards, but it's not fast, and a lot of high-performance 3d applications barf. |
| 16:20.22 | maligor | it might be faster than anything intel has tho |
| 16:20.25 | sione | thanks for answer, the problem with intel is that the intel graphic card is integrated in pre-builded computers only |
| 16:20.30 | maligor | atleast for medium-high end |
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| 16:21.02 | pipeline | maligor: My experiences ATi/AMD performance were really, really bad. |
| 16:21.10 | pipeline | maligor: perhaps that has changed, but I'm not eager to lay money on the line to find out. |
| 16:21.10 | maligor | really? |
| 16:21.24 | pipeline | maligor: yes... <10% of nvidia performance, dollar for dollar. |
| 16:21.41 | maligor | you mean the amd proprietary driver? |
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| 16:22.27 | pipeline | maligor: no, I mean that the open source drivers for radeon were really bloody slow. The AMD proprietary driver was so bad (incompatible, unstable) that it didn't matter how it performed :D |
| 16:22.29 | maligor | you can play stuff like warsow on the open drivers |
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| 16:22.39 | maligor | atleast on the 5830 I have |
| 16:22.48 | pipeline | maligor: I'm told by a friend active in that community that the AMD proprietary drivers for r7xx/r8xx are massively better, but again, I'm not eager to lay down money to find out. |
| 16:22.51 | Kre10s | Bushmills: mine seem to use lots of memory |
| 16:22.56 | maligor | there's artifacts tho |
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| 16:23.42 | pipeline | sione: by and large nvidia proprietary is your best option for actually running 3d games etc. I reiterate that the proprietary drivers are a pain in the ass. I am eager for a day when an open solution is the best one :P |
| 16:23.44 | maligor | pipeline, yes, you want to stick to the fuzzy feeling of keeping a 10MB binary driver in your kernel? ;P |
| 16:24.23 | pipeline | maligor: while I certainly prefer a free and open driver, I will accept my proprietary nvidia blob in exchange for vastly better performance and software compatibility :P |
| 16:24.59 | sione | pipeline: I dont play games, I think i only use 2d (no compiz..) |
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| 16:25.23 | maligor | well, the open driver power management isn't perfect |
| 16:25.39 | maligor | I imagine it wouldn't be a problem for lower end cards tho |
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| 16:26.55 | sione | so Intel should be the best choice if i buy a pre-builded computer with intel, or nvidia if i build my computer myself... |
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| 16:27.26 | NiLon | "best"? |
| 16:27.41 | NiLon | if you mean overpriced, sure |
| 16:28.12 | Leoneof | interesting |
| 16:28.20 | Kre10s | I've only had problems with binary modules |
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| 16:29.12 | sione | NiLon: intel is overprice ? or you meant windows 7 that im forced to buy with a pre-builded computer ? |
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| 16:29.54 | pipeline | sione: then the open source drivers for nvidia and amd/ati should be totally adequate |
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| 16:30.09 | NiLon | sione do you need to buy pre-built computer? |
| 16:30.16 | pipeline | sione: even in the earliest days of r5xx support, I found the open drivers to be way the hell better than the proprietary ones :D |
| 16:30.28 | Big_Aziz | hi people ^) |
| 16:30.31 | sione | NiLon: no |
| 16:30.32 | Big_Aziz | hi people :) |
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| 16:30.38 | pipeline | sione: for nvidia there is nv and nouveau. For AMD/ATI there is radeon and radeonhd (radeon supports radeonhd chips, these are just driver names.) |
| 16:30.41 | NiLon | sione then don't |
| 16:30.54 | NiLon | problem solved? :P |
| 16:31.00 | sione | NiLon: lol, I never had this intention |
| 16:31.07 | pipeline | sione: also you can get intel graphics on your own PC. Many motherboards have intel graphics. Some intel chips have on-chip GPUs now. |
| 16:31.17 | NiLon | sione how is windows then even closly related huh |
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| 16:31.23 | pipeline | sione: but if you aren't particularly concerned with 3d support/performance, there is no reason to prefer intel over nvidia/amd/ati |
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| 16:31.25 | stmaher | hi guys. |
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| 16:31.39 | stmaher | did somethign change with the startupscripts in debian6 |
| 16:31.51 | stmaher | it just seems to ignore my S99 script in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 16:31.54 | NiLon | amd == ati and ati doesn't exist anymore |
| 16:31.55 | stmaher | its +c |
| 16:31.59 | stmaher | its +x sorry |
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| 16:33.38 | Bushmills | pipeline: shouldn't that be "...here is no reason to prefer nvidia/amd/ati over intel"? |
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| 16:33.42 | Bushmills | there |
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| 16:33.49 | pipeline | NiLon: AMD still uses the ATi brand name, which is why this is confusing and I repeatedly refer to AMD/ATi |
| 16:34.12 | NiLon | pipeline amd dropped ati brand |
| 16:34.16 | pipeline | Bushmills: sione set open drivers as a priority. Intel's open drivers are the only ones with adequate 3d support/compatibility/performance. So if 3d and open were the hard and fast requirements, intel seems to be the obvious choice. |
| 16:34.21 | NiLon | offically there's no ati anymore |
| 16:34.41 | sione | pipeline: thank you for enlightening me |
| 16:34.48 | NiLon | there are still some old hardware etc |
| 16:34.57 | pipeline | NiLon: Sorry, bud. http://www.amd.com/us/products/Pages/graphics.aspx Tons of products there still using the ATI brand, still for sale. |
| 16:35.07 | Bushmills | pipeline: well, you said "performance" which is what intel does not deliver, compared to nvidia/amd |
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| 16:35.10 | pipeline | NiLon: what they have announced they will do in the future is not the same as what they are doing right now. |
| 16:35.29 | ElDiabolo | pipeline, Does intel build graphics cards? |
| 16:35.36 | pipeline | Bushmills: ...with proprietary drivers. You have your own backlog. Read the context yourself and evaluate for yourself, sheesh. |
| 16:35.49 | pipeline | ElDiabolo: Discrete graphics? they did at one time, many years ago. Not today. |
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| 16:36.18 | ElDiabolo | pipeline, There is a use case against intel, thats multi seat. |
| 16:36.27 | sione | pipeline: what you meant about intel shipset ? Can i buy the full intel shipset without a pre-built computer ? |
| 16:37.32 | pipeline | sione: yes. Many motherboards available for purchase include intel chipsets w/ integrated graphics, or support the CPU-integrated graphics on some intel chips. |
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| 16:38.36 | ElDiabolo | I had intel graphics on my previous laptop. Was a no problem thingy. |
| 16:39.11 | sione | pipeline: good to hear, thanks |
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| 16:41.10 | NiLon | pipeline aren't those old models |
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| 16:41.55 | NiLon | pipeline as you see, branch is called AMD when it's new, ati is just for historic reason |
| 16:42.32 | NiLon | for example if debian would change name, you maybe call it to debian until 7.0 or so |
| 16:42.32 | abrotman | ElDiabolo: why can't you do multiseat? |
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| 16:49.26 | ElDiabolo | abrotman, A reasonable multiseat has multiple xservers on multiple graphics cards. Nested xservers can't do 3d (may be this is outdated). |
| 16:50.29 | jnewt_ | RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errorno 5) |
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| 16:51.32 | jnewt_ | this is right after the nfs startup hangs, and i found a solution to add ASYNCMOUNTNFS=no to /etc/defaut/rcS , but this didn't work. |
| 16:51.41 | stmaher | guys what do i have to do in order to get custom script to run in /etc/rc2.d |
| 16:52.06 | stmaher | the script is solid but ignores it on start up |
| 16:52.39 | stmaher | thanks |
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| 16:52.50 | jnewt_ | someone asked if networking is "enabled" . i am not sure how to check this at the time of the message, however, after startup, i can view samba shares from a client, so my guess is yes. |
| 16:52.52 | ElDiabolo | stmaher, Preferably learn to write lsb headers for init.d scripts. |
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| 16:52.58 | pipeline | NiLon: I'm not interested in chewing cud on semantics. You can still buy a brand new, ATI-branded product, today, 18 Mar 2011. That's all I'm saying. |
| 16:53.34 | jnewt_ | i feel like i'm blindly trying solutions without knowing what the actual problem is. |
| 16:53.36 | stmaher | ElDiabolo is this new in 6? |
| 16:53.39 | NiLon | pipeline sure, as you can buy windows 3.11 |
| 16:53.50 | ElDiabolo | stmaher, Yes. See http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
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| 16:54.20 | ElDiabolo | stmaher, It is actually not that hard. And read the insserv manpage. |
| 16:54.28 | stmaher | ElDiabolo thank you! |
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| 16:55.04 | weaseal | hey all, I'm somewhat of a debian noob (been away from it for 2-3 years). trying to install "wbar" - according to http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/wbar it should be available, but "apt-get install wbar" says package not found. do i need to add something to my sources.list ? |
| 16:55.44 | MrFrood | weaseal: hmm I installed wbar last week |
| 16:55.53 | ElDiabolo | weaseal, Depends. Is this possibly contrib or non-free? |
| 16:55.54 | Bushmills | ,versions wbar |
| 16:55.55 | judd | Package wbar on i386 -- sid: 1.3.3+dfsg2-1; squeeze: 1.3.3+dfsg2-1; wheezy: 1.3.3+dfsg2-1 |
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| 16:56.00 | larsttt | www.snowlinux.de |
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| 16:56.17 | Kre10s | ok! memory usage seems to be back to normal now! |
| 16:56.17 | Bushmills | is in main |
| 16:56.22 | weaseal | ElDiabolo: I'm not sure how to tell. I think I'm on "Lenny" if that matters? |
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| 16:56.25 | MrFrood | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/wbar |
| 16:56.46 | Bushmills | it does |
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| 16:57.24 | MrFrood | no package for old stable :( |
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| 16:57.37 | ElDiabolo | weaseal, Is bwar ok? See http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=wbar |
| 16:57.41 | erAbuelo | me sacan de paseo, ta lueg :) |
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| 16:58.06 | ElDiabolo | oops bwbar |
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| 16:58.30 | vivid | weaseal, the output of uname should tell you what system youre running |
| 16:58.38 | MrFrood | differnt thing alltogether |
| 16:58.48 | jnewt_ | ok, if i do protmap start, nfs-common start and the nfs-kernel-server start, everything is ok, but this doesn't work on startup. |
| 16:58.51 | weaseal | MrFrood: ah, so i need to upgrade? |
| 16:59.13 | MrFrood | or build from source |
| 16:59.15 | acx0 | just wondering, is there a reason dotfiles aren't placed in the ~/.config directory? - so that your home directory isn't so cluttered |
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| 16:59.47 | weaseal | MrFrood: ok, i'll see if i can figure that out via google. thanks |
| 17:00.20 | WormFood | acx0, because they're hidden...however, I agree with you....you could modify ALL your programs to look in ~/.config/ ;) |
| 17:00.28 | MrFrood | weaseal: nomally configure make install |
| 17:00.53 | weaseal | MrFrood: no, i meant upgrade debian :) |
| 17:01.06 | weaseal | I think I have it going ok |
| 17:01.07 | MrFrood | read the readme and install files in the source |
| 17:01.21 | weaseal | i updated sources.list and ran the dist-upgrade command, seems to be working |
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| 17:01.34 | MrFrood | kewl |
| 17:01.42 | ElDiabolo | weaseal, Read about upgrading the kernel and udev especially. |
| 17:01.58 | weaseal | ElDiabolo: is that really necessary to get wbar working? :) |
| 17:02.14 | vivid | i think running update-manager -d is a more reliable upgrade process |
| 17:02.25 | ElDiabolo | weaseal, It is necessary to upgrade to squeeze. |
| 17:02.32 | weaseal | ah |
| 17:02.45 | weaseal | does debian automatically update grub.conf or do i need to do that manually? |
| 17:03.04 | ElDiabolo | weaseal, Does it automatically. |
| 17:03.08 | weaseal | cool |
| 17:03.11 | MrFrood | normally done automagically |
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| 17:03.26 | weaseal | not that i can't-i've been using linux/BSD for 10+ years...just not familiar with what each distro does automagically |
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| 17:04.05 | ElDiabolo | bye |
| 17:05.06 | MrFrood | recently I installed etch and did a double upgrade to squeeze :) |
| 17:05.39 | weaseal | sounds dangerous |
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| 17:06.36 | MrFrood | needed a floppy install so etch the upgrad to lenny then upgrade to squeeze as I had only a base install not much to go wrong |
| 17:07.25 | weaseal | ah...haven't used a floppy in a good number of years |
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| 17:08.10 | MrFrood | I got machines that still use 5.25 inch floppies (but they run FreeDos) |
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| 17:10.20 | lxsameer | does any one know the meaning of this pam_unix(xxx:auth): check pass; user unknown |
| 17:10.26 | weaseal | that's crazy |
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| 17:11.56 | mms_ | babilen: I am running baobab and see /usr/share local and doc using almost 500MB. is it ok to purge it ? |
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| 17:13.22 | MrFrood | weaseal: risking getting offtopic so anything further #debian-offtopib, an old 286/386 with freedos makes a good ssh terminal |
| 17:13.39 | MrFrood | er, #debian-offtopic |
| 17:14.04 | weaseal | cool |
| 17:14.09 | mms_ | I am trying to free space and see that locale is using /usr/share doc and locale using 500MB. is it ok to free it ? |
| 17:14.27 | xk | mms_: install localepurge |
| 17:15.14 | mms_ | xk: ok |
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| 17:18.04 | jnewt_ | RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errorno 5) |
| 17:18.09 | jnewt_ | how do i fix this? |
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| 17:18.53 | jnewt_ | scratch that question. Why is it occurring? |
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| 17:22.22 | mms_ | xk: any thing like doc purge ? |
| 17:22.39 | mms_ | xk: I see 150 MB is /usr/share/docs |
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| 17:22.57 | xk | manually purge? |
| 17:23.11 | weaseal | well MrFrood dist-upgrade completed...now to wait 30 min for my torrent to complete before i reboot |
| 17:23.29 | mms_ | will not hurt ? |
| 17:24.05 | mms_ | I hope its not used by man or any thing...who uses it ? |
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| 17:25.01 | mms_ | whats best way to clean up /usr/share/doc folder ? what program uses it ? |
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| 17:25.50 | Amnesia | hm would it be possible to set up my laptop as a wireless access point? |
| 17:26.17 | mms_ | Amnesia: win 7 has software called connectify |
| 17:26.31 | Amnesia | running debian |
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| 17:27.07 | kevin01123 | Is there a command similair to apt-get autoremove --purge for aptitude? |
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| 17:27.24 | owen1 | i try to change my timezone to utc but can't find it in tzselect. any tips? |
| 17:27.52 | cahoot | Amnesia: I think it depends on the capabilities of the module for the device |
| 17:28.09 | Amnesia | hm ok.. |
| 17:28.18 | weaseal | should be possible. i have done it in other distros |
| 17:28.24 | weaseal | but as he said depends on the driver/module |
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| 17:28.47 | mms_ | whats best way to clean up /usr/share/doc folder ? what program uses it ? manually removing will not affect any program ? |
| 17:29.04 | weaseal | Amnesia: http://tinyurl.com/64wlo3z |
| 17:29.11 | cahoot | mms_: you should use it |
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| 17:29.39 | mms_ | cahoot: what ? |
| 17:30.08 | cahoot | mms_: you asked what program uses it - you should when needed |
| 17:30.20 | deed02392 | where do you guys mount your nfs shares? |
| 17:30.28 | deed02392 | is there a 'good place' to put it? |
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| 17:30.45 | pipeline | deed02392: for shares that I am exporting, usually /export/foo |
| 17:30.48 | mms_ | cahoot: I mean man uses it ? |
| 17:30.52 | pipeline | deed02392: for shares I am mounting as a client, wherever the hell I want. |
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| 17:31.09 | deed02392 | cool, thanks pipeline |
| 17:31.18 | mms_ | cahoot: is it related to debian package and if removed will it affect dkpg ? |
| 17:31.38 | mms_ | is there doc purge utitlity ? |
| 17:31.51 | cahoot | look in the docs? ;) |
| 17:32.03 | owen1 | i hit '11' and GST and get: `GST' is not a conforming Posix time zone string. |
| 17:32.22 | owen1 | it should be trivial. every server should be UTC. |
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| 17:35.26 | Nierle | hi i'm trying to install my epson sx115 but it requires LSB |
| 17:35.32 | Nierle | how do i install it ù? |
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| 17:37.50 | mms_ | can i interrupt dist-upgrade and then resume ? |
| 17:38.17 | mms_ | I am doing download currently |
| 17:38.25 | mms_ | using apt-get -d dist-upgrade |
| 17:38.33 | babilen | mms_: the download can safely be interrupted |
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| 17:38.43 | mms_ | ok thanks |
| 17:38.58 | mms_ | bye |
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| 17:39.01 | babilen | mms_: Just don't interrupt the installation itself |
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| 17:48.09 | tuv | is it true that any (unecrypted) email can be intercepted and read while in transit? |
| 17:48.36 | MrFrood | yes in principle |
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| 17:48.53 | MrFrood | it's like sending a postcard |
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| 17:49.42 | XoD | MrFrood: a letter is no different |
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| 17:50.56 | MrFrood | XoD: it's in an envolope, one can seal it so one knows if it has been tampered |
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| 17:51.36 | MrFrood | although I do admit wax seals are somewhat out of fashion at the moment |
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| 17:51.45 | weaseal | wax seals are bad ass |
| 17:52.00 | MrFrood | weaseal: +1 |
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| 17:54.01 | Lns | Just upgraded Lenny --> Squeeze, and Gnome's System -> Log out -> Switch User does nothing...any quick fixes? |
| 17:54.12 | Lns | Was working fine before the upgrade |
| 17:54.45 | jhutchins_lt | tuv: It's not like it spends a lot of time floating around in a free internet cloud though, the messages go from server to server and may be relayed through unexpected points. They're pretty easy to intercept on any of the hops, and can theoretically be recovered from intermediary servers. |
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| 17:55.35 | jhutchins_lt | Are there more glitches in the gnome upgrades, or is it just that more people use gnome so more of them are showing up? |
| 17:56.04 | Lns | ah found this.. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=533166 |
| 17:56.39 | lxsameer | what group is the admins group ? |
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| 17:57.06 | jelly-home | lxsameer: what? |
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| 17:57.50 | lxsameer | jelly-home, what groups is for admins in debian? |
| 17:57.54 | jelly-home | !wheel |
| 17:57.54 | dpkg | wheel is, like, n. [from slang `big wheel' for a powerful person] The traditional name of security group zero in BSD. Irrelevant in Debian default configs. You can use a PAM module to allow only group wheel to su to root (as is the default in some Unices), or to allow group wheel to su to root without a password. See man pam_wheel for details. |
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| 17:58.00 | jelly-home | lxsameer: there is none. |
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| 17:58.43 | Lns | Well ... |
| 17:59.00 | Lns | It depends on what kind of administration you're talking about. |
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| 17:59.15 | MrFrood | is it the admin group to power of whithout su'ing? |
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| 17:59.19 | weaseal | what do you mean? just give everyone root <grin> |
| 17:59.26 | jelly-home | lxsameer: there's "adm" group to read logs; there's a "sudo" group that can be used to allow for unlimite sudo access. There are various group that allow access to specific devices. |
| 17:59.42 | Lns | +1 jelly-home |
| 17:59.45 | MrFrood | or staff? |
| 17:59.46 | lxsameer | jelly-home, do you remember my PAM problem ? when i run that script by root i can authenticate any user |
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| 18:00.07 | jnewt_ | http://pastie.org/1686992 shows my problem, can anyone help? |
| 18:00.11 | jelly-home | NiLon: there is no such thing by default |
| 18:00.24 | jelly-home | MrFrood: there is no such thing by default |
| 18:01.02 | jelly-home | staff can be used for write access to some parts of the filesystem (/usr/local) |
| 18:01.18 | MrFrood | hmm I'm sure I've set something like that up before - might of been on a bsd though :-/ |
| 18:01.30 | NiLon | ör |
| 18:01.35 | jelly-home | NiLon: sorry |
| 18:01.42 | weaseal | MrFrood: I'm primarily BSD user...yes, wheel is built-in to freebsd. need it to su to root |
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| 18:02.41 | MrFrood | be nice to set something like that up, using sudo seems inelegent |
| 18:02.45 | Lns | visudo ? |
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| 18:13.00 | MrFrood | is it the 'operator' group I'm thinking of? |
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| 18:16.18 | joe6 | how can I make "less" show "diff" output in color? |
| 18:16.21 | joe6 | the "diff" output is in color, but less cannot read it as color and prints junk chars to screen. |
| 18:17.14 | deed02392 | I've set up an NFS server on Debian and I'm trying to use the built in Windows 7 NFS client to mount it. It works, using cl `mount`, saying it has been successfully connected, but when I try to browse the drive letter, I get a timeout |
| 18:17.47 | pipeline | deed02392: this is probably a solve-able problem, but recommend you not bother |
| 18:17.57 | deed02392 | how come pipeline? |
| 18:18.11 | pipeline | deed02392: I haven't had good luck with Linux NFS interoperation with other OSes, and specifically for windows interoperabiility, the Windows user mapping stuff is horrible |
| 18:18.22 | pipeline | deed02392: it's way easier and more foolproof to set up samba on the linux side |
| 18:18.31 | pipeline | deed02392: samba also gives you way more/better options for user mapping |
| 18:18.46 | deed02392 | thing is pipeline I'm using a linksys NSLU2 as the NFS server |
| 18:18.57 | deed02392 | throughput is poor with samba |
| 18:19.08 | deed02392 | i want to try NFS at least once to benchmark it and see if i can deal with it |
| 18:19.09 | pipeline | deed02392: they call it the slug for a reason |
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| 18:19.29 | deed02392 | yes pipeline but i persist because others say throughput maxes out 100Mbit ethernet with NFS |
| 18:19.42 | deed02392 | this i would consider suitable, not sluggish |
| 18:20.04 | pipeline | a 486 can max out 100 mbit ethernet, too :P |
| 18:20.11 | deed02392 | just seems a strange issue, that it mounts and doesn't browse |
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| 18:20.28 | deed02392 | well this is all it has, so that would be good :) but samba wont' do it |
| 18:21.08 | lxsameer | how can i check a username and password on pam (only checking if they are corrent not logging in)? |
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| 18:22.44 | jhutchins_lt | lxsameer: Why not log in? |
| 18:23.18 | MrBIOS-seamicro | "corrent"? |
| 18:23.41 | sacredchao | My DNS stopped working for some reason so I can only access IRC/XMPP/HTTP via Tor |
| 18:23.50 | MrBIOS-seamicro | Black Corrent? |
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| 18:23.56 | sacredchao | How can I troubleshoot if it is an error with my ISP or with my local Debian config? |
| 18:24.05 | deed02392 | sacredchao `dig` |
| 18:24.08 | lxsameer | jhutchins_lt, i have web application that will work with unix accounts so i just need to check if user/pass is correct |
| 18:24.47 | jhutchins_lt | mod_auth_pam or some such? |
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| 18:25.45 | lxsameer | jhutchins_lt, no i need pam module not apache |
| 18:26.10 | sacredchao | deed02392: not installed, can't download |
| 18:26.23 | sacredchao | What package is it in? |
| 18:26.42 | deed02392 | try `host` instead |
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| 18:29.26 | karlpinc | sacredchao: dig is in dnsutils, and is really the right tool to debug dns problems. (You can also use "getent hosts" to tell you what answer the resolver will come up with, but you also need to use dig to ask the dns servers directly.) |
| 18:30.01 | sacredchao | karlpinc: Sucks I can't access dnsutils package without DNS easily ^_^ |
| 18:30.07 | MrBIOS-seamicro | nslookup? |
| 18:30.22 | sacredchao | I think maybe I will visit packages.debian.org with Torified browser and get the .deb manually via Tor |
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| 18:30.35 | sacredchao | MrBIOS-seamicro: I have no nsloopup command installed |
| 18:30.47 | karlpinc | MrBIOS-seamicro: Obsolete, and he'd have the same problem getting the package anyway. |
| 18:31.11 | jelly-home | sacredchao: you could try using a free dns recursor (like google's 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4) in the meantime |
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| 18:31.26 | sacredchao | It'scoo I got Tor |
| 18:31.47 | MrBIOS-seamicro | sacredchao I know it's obsolete, but if he had it, it would still have been useful :) |
| 18:31.56 | karlpinc | jelly-home: Gosh. That makes sense. sacredchao : You can manually change your /etc/resolv.conf file to use those dns servers. |
| 18:31.59 | MrBIOS-seamicro | obsolete is a relative term |
| 18:32.41 | sacredchao | All I have in that file is |
| 18:32.42 | sacredchao | domain lan |
| 18:32.42 | sacredchao | search lan |
| 18:32.43 | sacredchao | nameserver 192.168.1.254 |
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| 18:33.03 | sacredchao | pwned |
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| 18:34.36 | jhutchins_lt | sacredchao: Determine the ip of your local repository and use that instead of the hostname in the sources list. |
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| 18:35.34 | sacredchao | jhutchins_lt: Sure but mostly I want to fix DNS |
| 18:35.34 | jhutchins_lt | sacredchao: You appear to be looking at a local machine for DNS. Have you tried google or your ISP? What is the local machine and why is it not providing DNS? |
| 18:35.54 | sacredchao | A completely incorrect IP address |
| 18:36.05 | sacredchao | My current IP addy is external actually, I am not on 192.168.x.x network |
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| 18:36.26 | jhutchins_lt | sacredchao: So use a legitimate DNS server address. |
| 18:36.53 | sacredchao | Well i want to know what changed it to break my DNS |
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| 18:36.59 | jhutchins_lt | sacredchao: If you have your resolver pointed at an invalid address it's no surprize that DNS isn't working. |
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| 18:37.54 | sacredchao | Sure, makes sense when I look at the file, I just want to know what changed the file so I can fix the problem at its core |
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| 18:38.25 | jhutchins_lt | sacredchao: dhcp can change resolv.conf |
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| 18:40.34 | jhutchins_lt | sacredchao: You don't seem to be interested in giving us any information that would let us help you. |
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| 18:43.33 | sacredchao | jhutchins_lt: Not sure what to say... myabe it was running wicd and network-manager at the same time |
| 18:43.45 | sacredchao | How do I keep wicd installed but disable wicd-client and wicd from autostarting |
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| 18:46.08 | anddam | hello |
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| 18:47.29 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 18:49.09 | envirocbr | wildc4rd: Afternoon here in North Carolina |
| 18:50.04 | jhutchins_lt | envirocbr: Anywhere near Ashville? |
| 18:50.42 | envirocbr | jhutchins_lt: I visit Ashville quite often during the spring/summer |
| 18:50.45 | envirocbr | I am in Wake Forest |
| 18:50.59 | envirocbr | I go to Ashville in the winter for the Christmas house thing |
| 18:51.00 | envirocbr | y |
| 18:51.12 | jhutchins_lt | Got some friends & family there. |
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| 18:52.17 | abrotman | read that as french fries ... no idea why .. and he just ate |
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| 18:53.02 | envirocbr | interesting |
| 18:53.04 | jhutchins_lt | Possibly 'cause you just ate? |
| 18:53.23 | envirocbr | jhutchins_lt: I would move ot Ashville, but there is no work there |
| 18:53.49 | jhutchins_lt | Ah well, none here in Kansas City either. |
| 18:54.02 | anddam | I've connected two monitor to an ATI X600, they went in mirroring, how can I have two different screens instead? |
| 18:54.16 | anddam | I mean is this a #debian question at all? |
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| 18:54.26 | beoba | in compiz, there's a really nice plugin called 'grid' which allows setting up keyboard shortcuts for window placement (eg a shortcut to have a window fill the left half of the screen) -- does anyone know of a standalone util that i could use to do this? |
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| 18:54.58 | babilen | anddam: Do you use gnome or some of those new fancy desktop environments? |
| 18:55.09 | anddam | gnome |
| 18:55.21 | anddam | pain squeeze install with desktop option |
| 18:55.39 | anddam | *plain* |
| 18:55.45 | abrotman | !dual screen |
| 18:55.49 | abrotman | !dual monitors |
| 18:55.49 | dpkg | For a wide desktop over multiple monitors ("xinerama"), you can either configure your layout in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, or use xrandr in lenny onwards. See http://www.jejik.com/articles/2008/10/setting_up_dual_monitors_system-wide_with_xrandr_on_debian_lenny/ , http://thinkwiki.org/Xorg_RandR_1.2 . See also <xrandr>. |
| 18:56.22 | babilen | anddam: Easily done then. There should be a GUI to configure it. Look into "systemâpreferencesâmonitor" you can configure it in there quite easily. |
| 18:56.35 | anddam | babilen: that's what I was searching for |
| 18:56.49 | babilen | anddam: But you don't have it? |
| 18:57.05 | anddam | I don't know, I'm not at that machine atm |
| 18:57.10 | anddam | will check asap |
| 18:57.12 | anddam | thanks |
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| 18:57.19 | babilen | anddam: Ah, that complicates helping you a bit :) |
| 18:57.25 | anddam | or I'll see xinerama |
| 18:57.59 | anddam | abrotman: the system is using no xorg.conf, do I need to write one in order to extend desktop? if so can I dump current config as it's working great? |
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| 18:58.26 | babilen | anddam: I would use the gnome gui, which uses *randr under the hood. There are also other interfaces, like xrandr, arandr (i like this) and grandr |
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| 18:58.43 | ddan | is there a way to write a function inline in shell scripting? something like function foo { echo "bar" } without using new lines |
| 18:58.48 | babilen | !tell anddam about xrandr |
| 18:58.56 | anddam | thanks, that's plenty of info |
| 18:58.57 | babilen | !tell anddam about randr |
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| 18:59.48 | babilen | anddam: But you shouldn't really need to install anyhting else. I can't tell you right now which particular package/program is behind the "system->preferences->monitor" gui though |
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| 19:00.00 | anddam | also is there a gnome setting for using gdm username rather than fullnames? |
| 19:00.27 | anddam | babilen: as long as the setting just works it's fine |
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| 19:01.55 | syslq | any elecronics here? |
| 19:02.12 | anddam | syslq: elecroncs what? |
| 19:02.21 | anddam | woa, the word is hard to type correctly |
| 19:02.26 | anddam | electronics* |
| 19:02.36 | babilen | anddam: Ah, it is "gnome-display-properties" and can be found in the gnome-control-center package. Make sure you have it installed (should be installed already). You can also start it with ALT-F2 + gnome-display-properties if you can't find it in the preferences |
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| 19:03.15 | syslq | anddam: sorry, I guess I should be an Italian |
| 19:03.27 | syslq | Then my english would be perfect |
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| 19:04.00 | anddam | syslq: probably it wouldn't |
| 19:04.04 | babilen | syslq: I can't quite follow you. Do you have a debian related problem? |
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| 19:04.19 | anddam | so apart being able to do a /whois what are you searching for? |
| 19:04.22 | syslq | babilen: nah, I dont have any problems with debian, it runs fine |
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| 19:04.57 | babilen | syslq: What can we do for you then? I dare an educated guess and assume that you actually want "##hardware" |
| 19:05.18 | anddam | there's #electronics too AFAIR |
| 19:05.26 | babilen | even better :) |
| 19:05.37 | syslq | babilen: I actually wanted electronics, and found it :), thx |
| 19:06.02 | babilen | anddam: got it working? |
| 19:06.15 | anddam | babilen: nope, the computer is at uni and I'm at home |
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| 19:06.40 | anddam | babilen: "asap" actually meant "monday" |
| 19:06.43 | babilen | anddam: What? You are not at the university 24/7 ?! |
| 19:07.31 | anddam | nope, and here it's 8 PM |
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| 19:08.01 | babilen | anddam: It's fine. Enjoy your weekend! :) |
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| 19:08.26 | anddam | thanks |
| 19:08.27 | anddam | you too |
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| 19:11.11 | joe6 | i am trying to use git-send-email, but I get a "command not found" message |
| 19:11.13 | joe6 | even tried git send-email without any luck. |
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| 19:11.27 | joe6 | and apt-get install git-send-email has no packages |
| 19:11.36 | joe6 | any thoughts, please? |
| 19:12.07 | erAbuelo | buenas noches |
| 19:12.20 | zen_monkey | how do i reffer to Packages file on --update-avail ? |
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| 19:12.37 | zen_monkey | ...dpkg -update-avail |
| 19:12.38 | joe6 | i am trying to send a patch using "git-send-email" |
| 19:13.12 | AthomIk | joe6: git is for update source no ? |
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| 19:14.37 | joe6 | fyi, i think it needs the git-core package.. |
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| 19:14.50 | joe6 | git is a "version control system" |
| 19:15.11 | ompaul | joe6: you might try git-email |
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| 19:15.28 | gnugr | joe6: check here: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/git-daemon-run |
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| 19:17.25 | joe6 | ompaul, zsh: command not found: git-email |
| 19:18.11 | ompaul | joe6: you wanted the package, apt-get install git-email |
| 19:18.30 | joe6 | gnugr, what has git-daemon-run got to do with sending email? |
| 19:18.39 | joe6 | ompaul, thanks will try that. |
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| 19:19.13 | joe6 | ompaul, that seems to work. thanks. |
| 19:20.07 | ompaul | joe6: you are welcome |
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| 19:23.43 | crazy2k | Do you know an easy, simple way to version a filesystem? We're doing some kind of workshop for children with very very little knowledge on computers, and they'll have to save their work from time to time. It'd be good to have some kind of version control, so if they break something they can go back, but maybe git or svn is overkill for them. Any ideas? |
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| 19:28.13 | dondelelcaro | crazy2k: there are all kinds of ways to checkpoint filesystems (lvm snapshots, FE), and a few other things, like btrfs which do COW. |
| 19:28.18 | karlpinc | crazy2k: You probably want lvm snapshots. |
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| 19:28.50 | dondelelcaro | the problem with lvm snapshots, is that you have to know that the filesystem is in a state that you can take a snapshot, but... |
| 19:28.57 | karlpinc | crazy2k: (As far as revision control systems go I find darcs to be dead simple.) |
| 19:29.00 | y7 | !tell y7 tgz |
| 19:29.28 | y7 | can somebody help me with how to handle tgz files please? i'd imagine there's a !tell feature for that |
| 19:29.58 | karlpinc | !tell y7 about selftell |
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| 19:30.19 | dondelelcaro | y7: tar zxf foo.tgz; man tar; for details. |
| 19:30.20 | karlpinc | y7: enable the non-free repos and install the tar info pages. Read them. |
| 19:30.40 | y7 | ok, ty |
| 19:30.53 | karlpinc | y7: The info pages are much more explanitory than the man pages. |
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| 19:31.21 | y7 | how do i install the tar info pages? |
| 19:31.31 | y7 | i already have non-free enabled in my repositories |
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| 19:32.44 | karlpinc | y7: Probably the tar-doc package. "aptitude search tar" to search. "aptitude install tar-doc", if that's the package, to install. |
| 19:32.55 | crazy2k | dondelelcaro, karlpinc: Thanks. |
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| 19:33.02 | y7 | good deal. thanks for the help |
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| 19:47.50 | phaidros | hi, what is a short way to get spca1528 with debian squeeze kernel? |
| 19:48.29 | phaidros | tried to checkout v4l git, but htat is a whole kernel. how to get the spca related stuff only, and probably compile the module for the actual running squeeze kernel? |
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| 19:50.58 | phaidros | s/actual/currently/ |
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| 19:54.40 | gnugr | phaidros: what is spca? |
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| 19:55.17 | phaidros | gnugr: a webcam driver. very new one. |
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| 19:55.32 | phaidros | gspca_spca5128 .. |
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| 19:56.09 | phaidros | it is in newer kernels, but those kernels have thrown out the v4l1 api, so, I would love to get 2.6.32 get running with spca5128 |
| 19:56.14 | joe6 | when I open nautilus, it does not have a writable location? If I "Go-> Location Control-L", it opens up the location writable. Is there any way, I can have both the "button" location bar and the writable location bar too? |
| 19:56.22 | phaidros | because I need v4l1 compat |
| 19:56.48 | gnugr | phaidros: specificate your quastion though |
| 19:57.14 | gnugr | question* even |
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| 19:58.37 | Karburator | Can any one of you access forums.debian.net ? |
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| 19:58.58 | phaidros | gnugr: how to build the gspca_spca5128 kernel module for squeeze? |
| 19:59.13 | gnugr | google it |
| 19:59.21 | tweek_ | Karburator: yes |
| 19:59.32 | Karburator | I get timeout |
| 19:59.37 | Karburator | Damn :/ |
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| 20:02.09 | phaidros | gnugr: okay, I tried google before, I tried to checkout v4l git. it is 500 megs, and is a complete 2.6.37 tree |
| 20:02.20 | adb | forums.. woks here |
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| 20:02.35 | phaidros | I am just stuck, finding out which blob to get and run a make on it .. |
| 20:02.43 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:03.05 | phaidros | gnugr: probably just being blind, but the major search engines do not give very helpful tipps on spca1528 o.O |
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| 20:03.22 | phaidros | gnugr: and, I wouldnt come here before trying myself. |
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| 20:05.24 | factorx | I just wanted to set up my own local repository and therefore checked http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html. Why is it listed as an "obsolete documentation", and where can I find something more up-to-date? |
| 20:06.04 | erdemingo | hello. i need help for little problem. esspecially; can i request a help from those who lived in america? |
| 20:06.36 | daemonkeeper | factorx: You might use reprepro or debarchiver. Both are easy to use tools |
| 20:07.03 | daemonkeeper | debarchiver is is simpler, but reprepro is more complete. Both are fine for simple purposes. |
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| 20:07.38 | gnugr | phaidros: check out here: http://www.quickcamteam.net/software/linux/drivers/spca5xx-webcam-driver |
| 20:07.51 | factorx | ty daemonkeeper, I'll give both a try |
| 20:07.52 | phaidros | gnugr: no, spca5xxx is the wrong one. |
| 20:08.13 | Black_Prince | phaidros what driver/module do you need? |
| 20:08.17 | phaidros | spca1528 is the one. it is pretty new. spca5xx is pretty known I think |
| 20:08.43 | phaidros | Black_Prince: gspca_spca1528 |
| 20:09.19 | gnugr | phaidros: check here: https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=3859 |
| 20:10.03 | phaidros | gnugr: well, I am sitting atm besides one of the openwrt devs, and he pointed me to you debian guys :D |
| 20:10.15 | phaidros | lol |
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| 20:10.43 | dondelelcaro | factorx: do you want a mirror? or a repository of custom packages? |
| 20:11.01 | dondelelcaro | factorx: it's marked as obsolete because it was last touched in 2002-3 |
| 20:11.26 | phaidros | and gnugr, this is as well about the older spca5xx, which is not the one I am looking. but thanx alot anyways for your help! |
| 20:11.27 | factorx | dondelelcaro: I want to set up a repo for my own packages |
| 20:11.52 | dondelelcaro | factorx: ok. See http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/bin/build_archive; for an example |
| 20:12.03 | dondelelcaro | factorx: basically, you just use apt-ftparchive |
| 20:12.07 | Black_Prince | Anyways, when talking about debian mirroring, is it possible to mirror only choosen packages? |
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| 20:13.22 | dondelelcaro | Black_Prince: yes |
| 20:13.34 | dondelelcaro | Black_Prince: normally in such a case, you'd use one of the proxying mirrors, though |
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| 20:16.01 | factorx | dondelelcaro: thx |
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| 20:17.29 | phaidros | anyone a hint for spca1528 maybe? |
| 20:17.47 | Black_Prince | phaidros gspca_spca1528 is available in 2.6.38 kernel |
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| 20:20.01 | phaidros | Black_Prince: yes, but I need v4l1 compat, and since 2.6.36 this is kicked out of the kernel |
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| 20:20.48 | phaidros | so, basically I want to compile spca1528 for a kernel, which still supports v4l1 |
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| 20:21.01 | y7 | ok, after 50 minutes of struggle, i finally figured out how to unpack the tgz file. now that that's done, i have a bunch of files. how do i go about installing the driver that was inside of the package? |
| 20:21.08 | gnugr | phaidros: plz check these packages: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?suite=all&subword=1&exact=&arch=any§ion=all&case=insensitive&keywords=spca&searchon=names |
| 20:21.24 | Black_Prince | Userspace applications which rely on V4L1 can access video hardware via libv4l1, which has drivers that use the current second generation of the V4L-API |
| 20:21.33 | hyper_ch | howdy, how you properly instll debian net inst onto a usb key for installation? it kept complaining about not finding kernel modules and hence not being able to use network card |
| 20:21.43 | project2501a | hey guys. question. i got an app which does not support writing to syslog. it does write its own log files under /var/log/ , though. what can i do to "redirect" the logs from /var/log to syslog? |
| 20:23.48 | valdyn | !fifo |
| 20:23.49 | dpkg | hmm... fifo is first-in-first-out, or another name for a named pipe, or man 4 fifo |
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| 20:24.14 | wolfric | how can i show create time in ls or sort by it. I know ls -t does it by modify time but how would i do it by create time |
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| 20:24.33 | valdyn | wolfric: you cant, create time is not preserved |
| 20:24.53 | valdyn | !ctime |
| 20:24.53 | dpkg | UNIX does *not* store the creation time of files. Anywhere. At all. Ever. You can't get it. You see that "ctime" field in the stat structure? It's not "creation time". It's inode (metadata) change time. It gets updated when you chmod the file, etc. |
| 20:25.13 | phaidros | gnugr: in squeeze gspca is already in, but not htat particular driver I need |
| 20:25.50 | phaidros | Black_Prince: thanx, but then again, how do I add that particular module to the stock squeeze kernel? |
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| 20:26.29 | phaidros | (I have no intentions playing with kernel versions, as I am very happy to have a desktop xen setup on squeeze, and knowing the instability of xen, I tend to stick to a stable version) |
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| 20:27.11 | wolfric | valdyn: does it not get changed when you copy a file somewhere? |
| 20:27.23 | robokop | phaidros: modprobe <module_name> |
| 20:27.41 | maligor | Isn't that statement rather daft, linux isn't unix, and it wouldn't be too hard to modify it to store creation time |
| 20:27.54 | valdyn | wolfric: copying is a metaphor, its not whats really done |
| 20:28.00 | phaidros | robokop: thanx, the particular module I am looking for is not in the kernel, so I am asking about compiling the module |
| 20:28.16 | valdyn | wolfric: at least not what file metadata is concerned, sure the contents are identical |
| 20:28.33 | robokop | phaidros: m-a |
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| 20:28.56 | phaidros | robokop: any hint where to acquire the sourc eas well? |
| 20:29.01 | phaidros | (it is in later kenerls) |
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| 20:29.42 | valdyn | wolfric: so obviously a file that is "copied" is created somewhere, hence the metadata changed, hence the ctime of the new copy is different than the ctime of the old copy |
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| 20:30.31 | Black_Prince | phaidros http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=5b0ff8c43afefbd42a1aa3cd89808eec829bbbb7 |
| 20:30.40 | justin | project2501a: try source foo { file("/var/log/...");}; |
| 20:31.03 | robokop | phaidros: what driver (sorry if you said it before jumped in later) |
| 20:31.15 | wolfric | valdyn: ext4 does though right? |
| 20:31.21 | phaidros | Black_Prince: yes, thats the right direction. actually, can I check out with that adress above and get a source able to be compiled? |
| 20:31.25 | valdyn | wolfric: does what? |
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| 20:31.38 | project2501a | justin: yeah, i was just talking to peeps on #unixhelp . syslog-ng supports reading from a pipe |
| 20:31.40 | phaidros | robokop: spca1528 (!=spca5xx) |
| 20:31.45 | Black_Prince | You can try applying diff into squeeze's 2.6.32 kernel |
| 20:31.49 | spal | which package should I install for vnc server? |
| 20:31.50 | Black_Prince | But I do not guarantee if it will work |
| 20:32.10 | phaidros | Black_Prince: thx alot! |
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| 20:32.12 | phaidros | will try |
| 20:32.14 | wolfric | valdyn: ext4 supports creation timestamps |
| 20:32.17 | justin | project2501a: it also supports reading from a file |
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| 20:32.53 | AthomIk | how i can make snapshot of a ramdisd tmpfs ? |
| 20:32.53 | valdyn | wolfric: what would be the point? |
| 20:33.09 | valdyn | wolfric: i dont think it does anyhow |
| 20:33.19 | project2501a | ext4 blows chucks |
| 20:33.25 | project2501a | reiser4 ftw |
| 20:33.32 | project2501a | that's a killer filesystem |
| 20:33.42 | jelly-home | trolls blow norrises |
| 20:33.53 | wolfric | valdyn: it does. I was hoping that some tool might utilise it. |
| 20:34.06 | AthomIk | reiser can kill fs yes i have see this :) |
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| 20:34.18 | spal | which package should I install for vnc server? |
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| 20:34.48 | project2501a | spa1: apt-cache search vnc | grep -i server |
| 20:34.59 | project2501a | surprisingly |
| 20:35.03 | maligor | I've has reiser3 corrupt my filesystem quite badly, never ext tho |
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| 20:35.20 | project2501a | apt-cache search *vnc*server* |
| 20:35.41 | AthomIk | maligor: i have test reiser fs in vm on xen, no good after bad reboot |
| 20:35.57 | spal | i seem to have two options: tightvncserver and vnc4server. which one do you recommend? |
| 20:36.07 | Black_Prince | linuxvnc - VNC server to allow remote access to a tty |
| 20:36.15 | project2501a | spa1: the one that you can configure easier |
| 20:37.16 | project2501a | spa1: please refrain from asking to be spoonfed. |
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| 20:38.59 | AthomIk | if reiser fs is the default fs in SLES :D |
| 20:39.27 | AthomIk | SLES the linux for kamikazes :D |
| 20:40.19 | Bushmills | http://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=vnc4server http://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=tightvncserver <- spal, go figure |
| 20:41.03 | AthomIk | when i use vnc i think rdp on windows is fast :D |
| 20:41.17 | AthomIk | no ? |
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| 20:42.55 | Bushmills | suse was sponsoring reiserfs development |
| 20:43.18 | solifugus | /var/apt/apt-cacher is taking up too much disk space, threatening to take down a production server. |
| 20:43.27 | pipeline | AthomIk: redhat is working on changing that... they are spending big bucks on open source remote desktop protocols to compete with teradici PCoIP, and one of the cute side effects of that is the likelihood that we will see a good alternative to VNC in the near future. |
| 20:43.30 | solifugus | Is it safe to just delete the packages in there? |
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| 20:43.37 | pipeline | AthomIk: the protocol is called SPICE, not sure what actual usable software exists right now today. |
| 20:43.43 | pipeline | AthomIk: nothing packaged by debian yet |
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| 20:44.34 | AthomIk | pipeline: yes, but at this time vnc vs rdp..... |
| 20:45.49 | pipeline | AthomIk: well there are a number of proprietary whole-desktop protocols for linux that are comparable to RDP in their designs, but like RDP, they're proprietary. Fuck that noise. |
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| 20:46.50 | AthomIk | pipeline: yes, proprietary is no good, but is fast at this time, yes i am not a great microsoft user :D |
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| 20:47.44 | AthomIk | vnc is a sh..t i think :D |
| 20:48.29 | AthomIk | look my vn connection to my vm seven, pffffffffffff very bad look..... no goood |
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| 20:52.19 | pipeline | AthomIk: VNC was originally designed to provide a really great experience on very high bandwidth (144 mbps) low-latency (<1 ms) links for devices with really, really, really slow CPUs |
| 20:52.41 | pipeline | AthomIk: people mis-use it for the exact opposite situation: incredibly powerful servers (multi-GHz) over high-latency, low-bandwidth links. Not surprising that it sucks at that :) |
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| 20:53.32 | jelly-home | pipeline: it works decently well over a 20ms 12/1Mbps link tho |
| 20:54.06 | jelly-home | I can watch my screensaver at work! |
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| 20:54.24 | AthomIk | pipeline: yes, open source work is good, no problem with this |
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| 20:54.53 | AthomIk | jelly-home: yes, you are a happy man :D |
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| 20:55.05 | edbian | Can someone confirm for me that notify-send Title sometextwith&init has a bug? (The text does not show up) |
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| 20:55.24 | jelly-home | edbian: quote the text with & in it. |
| 20:55.48 | edbian | This is what I meant: notify-send Title 'sometextwith&init' has a bug? (The text does not show up) |
| 20:56.18 | jelly-home | edbian: yeah, it doesn't work for me on xfce, debian testing |
| 20:56.30 | jelly-home | the same symptom |
| 20:56.31 | edbian | jelly-home, What can I do? This is very annoying |
| 20:56.36 | jelly-home | file a bug report |
| 20:56.40 | edbian | jelly-home, Where? |
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| 20:56.41 | pipeline | jelly-home: yeah, it halfway works, which is why people keep using it |
| 20:56.43 | jelly-home | !bts |
| 20:56.43 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 20:56.52 | pipeline | jelly-home: halfassed solutions that work most of the time tend to be quite persistent :) |
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| 20:56.59 | AthomIk | pipeline: i am happy all day, to use open source system, it s a great chance |
| 20:57.12 | AthomIk | luck |
| 20:57.12 | pipeline | jelly-home: hence my hope that we will all benefit from work to compete with PCoIP -- remote desktop isn't exactly the intended use, but it will be better suited than VNC. |
| 20:57.22 | derango | hey there people, anyone knows how can I refresh the music library in cmus? I want thesince deleted files removed from it |
| 20:57.25 | coax | does anyone know a simple command tool to check http header of a webserver similar to whois? |
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| 20:57.32 | jelly-home | edbian: html unescaping seems to take place: notify-send title 'blah & sods' |
| 20:57.48 | edbian | jelly-home, Hurray! |
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| 20:58.21 | edbian | jelly-home, That makes sense |
| 20:58.24 | pipeline | jelly-home, AthomIk : in theory you could compile this code yourself http://www.spicespace.org/download.html |
| 20:58.28 | jelly-home | edbian: also, <b> works. I'm going to try <blink> now. |
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| 20:59.16 | edbian | jelly-home, I think full html works |
| 20:59.17 | edbian | hahaa |
| 20:59.18 | edbian | blink |
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| 20:59.46 | DammitJim | sorry edbian, but that's what I should have called my son... Edbian |
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| 21:00.18 | edbian | DammitJim, haha, he'd just live in my shadow anyway. |
| 21:01.01 | AthomIk | pipeline: this link is for replace vnc soft. I drank too good, I understand nothing |
| 21:01.46 | DammitJim | lol |
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| 21:03.04 | jnewt_ | i cannot get startx to work, it just goes to "out of range". logs show x started and stopped when pressing ctrl-alt-bksp to get out, nothing else. Is it really this hard to get a desktop up and running? |
| 21:03.22 | jnewt_ | i used dpkg to reconfigure x |
| 21:04.08 | AthomIk | jnewt_: renaùme /etc/X11/xorg.conf other name and restart gdÃm no ? |
| 21:04.10 | jnewt_ | i tried to manually enter values, although the terminology doesnt match my monitor manual, and there is not graphics card, this old mobo has graphics on it, but i can't find a mfg p/n on it |
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| 21:05.32 | jnewt_ | AthomIk, same thing |
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| 21:05.44 | karsten-nr | jnewt_: 'lspci | grep VGA' |
| 21:05.45 | jnewt_ | only i only have xfce |
| 21:05.50 | jnewt_ | not gdm |
| 21:06.07 | AthomIk | jnewt_: force xorg.conf to vesa |
| 21:06.15 | karsten-nr | jnewt_: And pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 21:07.22 | AthomIk | xorg automated detection is ...... sh.t :D |
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| 21:08.24 | AthomIk | if i install debian on my pc screen by default, i never see X |
| 21:08.30 | jnewt_ | http://pastebin.com/xGyARUpj |
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| 21:10.49 | DammitJim | thanks for all the help! |
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| 21:11.13 | AthomIk | jnewt_: for me and only me, kill all autodect and configure is good |
| 21:11.22 | jnewt_ | AthomIk: I don't know how to do what you say. i don't know how to "force" a file "to" a driver. |
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| 21:11.41 | jnewt_ | AthomIk: well, glad it works for you and only you, not for me. |
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| 21:12.03 | jnewt_ | i just moved the monitor from my windows computer, i know it works, wtf? |
| 21:12.14 | onoez_omg | where may i ask for a hint on mod_security rules configuration? |
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| 21:12.46 | AthomIk | jnewt_: look my xorg.conf, but i have 2 X http://pastebin.com/UKe710GA |
| 21:13.13 | AthomIk | look vesa conf |
| 21:13.26 | Bushmills | jnewt_: you were using an old CRT monitor? |
| 21:13.34 | jnewt_ | no |
| 21:13.50 | jnewt_ | it's an LG 19" LCD. |
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| 21:14.48 | Bushmills | it appears as if xorg didn't manage to read max monitor timing parameters from monitor |
| 21:15.07 | Bushmills | so it went for what the graphics controller was able to offer |
| 21:15.26 | AthomIk | it appears xorg autodetec is a big sh.t :D |
| 21:15.50 | jnewt_ | Bushmills: so what? is the graphics controller busted somehow? |
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| 21:16.07 | AthomIk | it appears xorg autodetec is a microsoft like system :D |
| 21:16.08 | jnewt_ | it shows the console lines just fne |
| 21:16.24 | AthomIk | but microsoft is good for autodetect |
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| 21:16.25 | Bushmills | unlikely. xorg just doesn't seem to know the monitor limits |
| 21:16.37 | jnewt_ | AthomIk: disagree, I've never had this problem with a windows pc |
| 21:17.14 | AthomIk | jnewt_: yes with windows all drivers is good, after is the problem :D |
| 21:17.42 | gnugr | onoez_omg: read this: http://www.linux-mag.com/id/1285/ |
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| 21:17.55 | jnewt_ | i have horiz freq in kHz, vert freq in Hz, for several different resolutions, from the monitor sheet. do i need something else? |
| 21:18.13 | karlpinc | jnewt_: Did you ever _install_ Windows from a generic store bought cd? (I'm curious.) |
| 21:18.35 | jnewt_ | yeah, just put win7 on my brand new pc |
| 21:18.37 | karlpinc | jnewt_: All you really need are the max and min values. |
| 21:18.41 | Bushmills | i'd try to run xorg -configure, and massage the resulting xorg.conf file according the specs of my hardware |
| 21:19.23 | jnewt_ | does xorg.conf in hz, or khz, or you have to add zeros for khz, or just type khz? |
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| 21:20.11 | karlpinc | jnewt_: Frequency option values consist of a real number |
| 21:20.39 | karlpinc | that is optionally followed by one of the following frequency units: Hz, k, kHz, M, MHz |
| 21:20.51 | jnewt_ | so 75k or 75kHz |
| 21:20.52 | karlpinc | jnewt_: That's what the xorg.conf man page says. |
| 21:20.58 | karlpinc | jnewt_: Right. |
| 21:21.20 | jnewt_ | yeah, i read that, but it errored out when i tried it, thought it was maybe a version thing. |
| 21:21.36 | jnewt_ | says invalid option kHz |
| 21:21.44 | jnewt_ | ill try k |
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| 21:23.13 | karlpinc | jnewt_: I'm reading from the lenny page. (I've not gotten around to getting it to work on squeeze. The one box I upgraded had to have a monitor section with lines like "Horz: 40-75Mhz" (or something) and then a screen section that listed the monitor. And I think I put a device section in too, and put that in the screen section but I think that was overkill. It adds stuff that's missing.) |
| 21:23.17 | AthomIk | yes xorg.conf is not really easy |
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| 21:23.35 | Kubbur | is thepiratebay down ? |
| 21:23.48 | AthomIk | i have make a multiseat nvidia/ati.... some problems |
| 21:24.10 | AthomIk | Kubbur: no !!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:24.11 | henux | hi. i installed debian 6.0 on virtualbox. apt-get get install tells me to enter the debian install cd into the drive. how do i remove the install cd from the list of repos? |
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| 21:26.23 | jnewt_ | karlpinc: sounds like someone needs to figure out how windows detects monitors and use that in x |
| 21:26.30 | AthomIk | henux: if you use virtualbox for install debian, you not have the 3D ? |
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| 21:26.48 | henux | 3D? |
| 21:26.48 | AthomIk | view |
| 21:26.56 | henux | 3D view? no |
| 21:27.10 | gnugr | henux: on your sources.list uncheck CDROM |
| 21:27.14 | henux | thanks |
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| 21:28.16 | henux | i wonder why it left the cd there |
| 21:28.19 | henux | there already was one entry commented out in the sources.list |
| 21:28.27 | henux | but then it had the very same entry uncommented |
| 21:28.37 | henux | which was the cd |
| 21:28.51 | thewanderer1 | guys, I'm running a webserver and I get a non-local address in the "Local address" field when accepting Lighttpd queries... |
| 21:29.10 | AthomIk | jnewt_: try without xorg.conf and send xorg log |
| 21:29.36 | thewanderer1 | this *only* happens with Slowloris. when running normally (browser), I get connections to my local address, but when I connect with slowloris, the TCP connections have the local address set to the one of the proxy |
| 21:29.53 | jnewt_ | is "Vertical Freq. (Hz)" the right thing to put in for VertRefresh, like 56-75Hz |
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| 21:30.19 | jelly-home | yes, jnewt_ |
| 21:30.20 | AthomIk | jnewt_: try without xorg.conf and send xorg log |
| 21:30.56 | homie | so mplayer is not able to open two channles from the same device ? |
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| 21:31.19 | subsume | I'm trying to find a comparison of D6 vs Ubuntu in a server context |
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| 21:32.35 | thewanderer1 | http://paste.debian.net/111164/ -- non-local sockets on a webserver, it's mad |
| 21:32.53 | AthomIk | subsume: think pop corn vs butter |
| 21:33.04 | Bushmills | subsume: i would have guessed that your were typing a message into your IRC client |
| 21:33.18 | pipeline | subsume: The obvious choice is debian. No comparison necessary. |
| 21:33.20 | subsume | Bushmills mm very clever. |
| 21:33.55 | AthomIk | subsume: best open source is openbsd, but not for home use with X and game :D |
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| 21:34.13 | subsume | I just run a web app on a server, no big deal. |
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| 21:34.36 | subsume | it just seems like a lot of libraries target ubuntu |
| 21:34.47 | AthomIk | subsume: have you try IIS 7 ? |
| 21:34.52 | AthomIk | :D |
| 21:34.53 | subsume | please don't troll |
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| 21:34.55 | thewanderer1 | subsume: setup OpenVZ on Debian as the host, make an OpenVZ guest of both Ubuntu and Debian, use whichever you like as the userspace |
| 21:35.08 | subsume | I don't have such an option, its deployed on a linode |
| 21:35.19 | tolle | Fairly sure those libs work on debian as well |
| 21:35.40 | subsume | I wish there was a quick way to compare =) |
| 21:35.41 | AthomIk | if you know debian you know unbuntu |
| 21:35.46 | nork_ | subsume: I run ubuntu on my desktop machines at home, but debian is generally easier to use for a server OS |
| 21:35.48 | simonrvn | subsume: i'd say some, but not most, and likely because the devs for those projects use ubuntu themselves |
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| 21:35.56 | subsume | i see |
| 21:35.58 | nork_ | if anything, it's easier to keep stable up-to-date |
| 21:35.58 | thewanderer1 | Ubuntu has bleeding-edge, Debian has well-tested, that's all |
| 21:36.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | AthomIk: not necesarily |
| 21:36.18 | jnewt_ | aha!, i put in no k or kHz, and i have a picture!, so for horizontal freq, i changed it from 30-80k or 30-80kHz to just 30-80 and i have a picture! no mouse, but at least a picture! |
| 21:36.20 | tolle | ubuntu for server use is debian, without the aim for perfection |
| 21:36.23 | subsume | some of the stuff is bleeding edge. |
| 21:36.34 | simonrvn | would like to remind people where ubuntu got its start: debian's sid |
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| 21:36.58 | AthomIk | Kamping_Kaiser: yes, if you say this |
| 21:37.12 | subsume | what site could I use to look up packages in d6 |
| 21:37.15 | nork | honestly I sometimes forget I'm using ubuntu or vice versa |
| 21:37.20 | simonrvn | !pdo |
| 21:37.21 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for Debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/ in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 21:37.22 | subsume | nork same |
| 21:37.54 | simonrvn | i don't. debian works better for "desktop" |
| 21:38.18 | AthomIk | yes debian vs ubuntu is ubuntu can make monney |
| 21:38.21 | AthomIk | :D |
| 21:38.40 | simonrvn | what? |
| 21:38.47 | cahoot | AthomIk: please stop |
| 21:39.00 | subsume | srsly |
| 21:39.24 | subsume | I get strange situations where people refer to the two synonymously |
| 21:39.26 | subsume | see bottom of http://gunicorn.org/install.html |
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| 21:40.00 | subsume | I'm not sure what that means for debian support |
| 21:40.35 | subsume | thought it seems its just python, so I can just grab the source |
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| 21:41.00 | simonrvn | subsume: i see that sometimes... you have no idea what *that person* means until you figure out the deps |
| 21:41.11 | subsume | okay |
| 21:41.15 | nork | most of the time, for simple packages with few dependencies, you won't run into any problems |
| 21:41.39 | subsume | if I get something like this, it means its not there, yeah? |
| 21:41.40 | subsume | http://search.debian.org/cgi-bin/omega?P=rabbitmq&HITSPERPAGE=10&DB=en |
| 21:41.44 | simonrvn | stuff for python though it's usually binary compatible (since it's python), but you need to be careful for other deps |
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| 21:43.05 | arnestig\laptop | anyone played around with btrfs yet? |
| 21:43.09 | simonrvn | subsume: those are RFPs, request for packaging. no not there yet, until someone (a DD or sponsored maintainer) picks it up |
| 21:43.26 | AthomIk | cahoot: yes explains please |
| 21:44.09 | simonrvn | AthomIk: educate yourself before making such statements |
| 21:45.05 | AthomIk | ok forbidden topic |
| 21:45.07 | subsume | simonrvn okay. might you be hopeful that the debi listed on this page might work? http://www.rabbitmq.com/server.html |
| 21:45.13 | gnugr | /msg/dpkg btrfs |
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| 21:45.32 | subsume | sorry to have you clicking around so much |
| 21:45.40 | subsume | just trying to get my process down as far as how to tell if i'm safe |
| 21:45.49 | subsume | i would rather go D6, just, because, I don't know. |
| 21:46.41 | subsume | this is weird. http://search.debian.org/cgi-bin/omega?P=pylibmc&HITSPERPAGE=10&DB=en |
| 21:46.52 | subsume | it links to someone who apparently maintains pylibmc but i don't see anything about pylibmc |
| 21:46.55 | jnewt_ | does /etc/init.d/x11-common reload actually load new values from xorg.conf? |
| 21:46.59 | arnestig\laptop | gnugr: huh? |
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| 21:47.21 | jnewt_ | the mouse doesn't work! |
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| 21:47.34 | gnugr | wrong typping lol |
| 21:47.52 | arnestig\laptop | :o |
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| 21:48.42 | simonrvn | subsume: maybe, the erlang in debian, i have no idea what state it's in |
| 21:48.55 | subsume | hrmpf |
| 21:49.10 | dbbolton | i moved some hardware around in my desktop, and now when i power it on it 'freezes' at the bios screen. any idea what could cause that? |
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| 21:49.50 | Bushmills | dbbolton: a problem with your hardware could do that |
| 21:49.54 | subsume | simonrvn is this an actual package? http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/rabbitmq-server |
| 21:50.27 | subsume | simonrvn i think we were searching wrong. it all looks fine |
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| 21:51.14 | AthomIk | I learned something strange....... |
| 21:51.32 | gnugr | ? |
| 21:51.36 | Bushmills | some say, people are shaped by that they learn |
| 21:51.47 | Bushmills | by what they ... |
| 21:51.54 | jnewt_ | what ar the chances of a mouse not working being linux, as opposed to a bad motherboard or mb connector? |
| 21:52.32 | syn4pse | tried using another port ;) ? |
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| 21:52.46 | AthomIk | Blondes are a good kiss :D |
| 21:53.11 | jnewt_ | i only have one mouse port. i guess i could try a usb mouse, but i didn't know if it would be recognized. |
| 21:53.13 | gnugr | lol |
| 21:53.38 | simonrvn | subsume: could very well be yes |
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| 21:53.55 | dbbolton | Bushmills: i've disconnected about everything from the main board and it's still doing it |
| 21:54.35 | Bushmills | dbbolton: then you could locate the problem by elimination. i think it is safe to say that it is not cause by the screws, and not by debian. |
| 21:54.42 | Bushmills | caused ... |
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| 21:54.50 | AthomIk | gnugr: think you i can install debian squeeze and irssi in 50 mo hd ? |
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| 21:55.07 | dbbolton | Bushmills: i personally blame MSI |
| 21:56.04 | jelly-home | AthomIk: base system takes something like 300MB |
| 21:56.11 | gnugr | servers all in one not good for me |
| 21:56.34 | Black_Prince | !reiser4 |
| 21:56.34 | dpkg | If you want Reiser4, why are you using Debian? http://reiser4.wiki.kernel.org/ |
| 21:56.54 | AthomIk | jelly-home: exist openbsd FW on a floppy .... |
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| 21:57.08 | jelly-home | AthomIk: sotty? |
| 21:57.10 | jelly-home | sorry? |
| 21:57.12 | gnugr | my squeeze is server with mysql and phpmyadmin and works fine |
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| 21:57.36 | AthomIk | Reiser is out of jail ? |
| 21:57.45 | dvs | yikes |
| 21:57.47 | arnestig\laptop | Reiser.. write a good filesystem and then murder your wife.. it's a good story |
| 21:57.51 | AthomIk | is come for kill your wife ;D |
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| 21:58.02 | arnestig\laptop | anyone knows why he did it? |
| 21:58.10 | polpak | does it matter |
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| 21:58.37 | Black_Prince | !jfs |
| 21:58.37 | dpkg | jfs is, like, Journaled File System from IBM, licensed under the GPL. Fast and very reliable. Performance has improved significantly since initial release(s). Give it a try! http://jfs.sf.net/ |
| 21:58.38 | arnestig\laptop | no, not really. just curious |
| 21:58.44 | jelly-home | arnestig\laptop: this is not topical for #debian channel. Pursue it elsewhere. |
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| 22:02.01 | AthomIk | jelly-home: 300 Mo for install debian, is a MS way |
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| 22:03.35 | jelly-home | AthomIk: consider some other OS if you're building an embedded system. Read eg. /msg dpkg dsl, /msg dpkg emdebian |
| 22:03.56 | jnewt_ | ok, maybe i found it. Cannot open /dev/sysmouse, no such file or directory. |
| 22:04.24 | jelly-home | jnewt_: if you have an usb mouse, use that instead. |
| 22:04.49 | AthomIk | jelly-home: your mouse is a rat, !!!!! |
| 22:04.59 | AthomIk | no jnewt_ |
| 22:05.21 | jnewt_ | jelly-home, I don't, does x not like regular mice? |
| 22:05.37 | jelly-home | AthomIk: please behave. This is a tech support channel. If you're here to chat, try #debian-offtopic or #defocus. |
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| 22:05.58 | jelly-home | jnewt_: it does. USB are rather regular these days. |
| 22:06.24 | aum | Hello, I have a question about the DVD images. I see that there are eight different DVD images. If I want to use a DVD image, do I need all of them, or is just the first image good enough? |
| 22:06.31 | Bushmills | try /dev/input/mice |
| 22:06.42 | AthomIk | jelly-home: thx |
| 22:06.51 | babilen | aum: Good enough for what? |
| 22:07.00 | aum | babilen: good enough for a base install |
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| 22:07.18 | aum | babilen: I guess my question is, are the DVD images 2-8 just extra packages? |
| 22:07.21 | engla | aum: if you have network connection during the install, you only need one minimal CD/minimal image. |
| 22:07.28 | dvs | aum: the first is good enough |
| 22:07.41 | aum | dvs: alright, thanks |
| 22:07.50 | babilen | aum: The DVDs and CDs contain *all* Debian packages. For a simple base install you just need the netinstall, CD1 or DVD1. I would recommend the netinstall if you have a working (wired) connection during the install. |
| 22:07.52 | dvs | np |
| 22:08.12 | aum | babilen: I see. Well, I have a couple extra blank DVDs around, so I figured it wouldn't hurt |
| 22:08.28 | jnewt_ | Bushmills: good call, that fixed the problem right away |
| 22:09.01 | babilen | aum: Do whatever rocks your boat, but you'll end up installing packages from the internet anyway if you have an uplink. So there is actually no need to download a bunch of unneeded packages. |
| 22:09.26 | aum | babilen: ah, good point lol :P |
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| 22:09.38 | aum | Thanks for all your help |
| 22:09.44 | babilen | np |
| 22:09.52 | babilen | aum: Have fun! |
| 22:10.07 | AthomIk | jelly-home: have a good day or night |
| 22:10.11 | AthomIk | bye |
| 22:10.21 | aum | thanks :) |
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| 22:10.59 | babilen | !tell aum -about ig |
| 22:11.06 | babilen | !tell aum -about firmware images |
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| 22:11.48 | babilen | aum: A look at the installation guide can't hurt and note that there are semi-unofficial images that contain firmware packages (if needed by your hardware) |
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| 22:19.51 | jnewt_ | so now that I have x working, i should be able to rdp with xrdp, however, i am still getting the blank, black screen. i installed tightvnc, as i hear it is required and a shutdown was suggested. i did shutdown now, ctrl-d when asked, and it still doesn't work. |
| 22:21.13 | robokop | jnewt_: ctrl-d during boot, you booting in single user mode |
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| 22:23.21 | jnewt_ | robokop, nah, it's something about maintenance, or ctrl-d to continue. i just hit ctrl-d to continue without whatever maintenance it is talking about. |
| 22:23.47 | robokop | seems like single user mode to me |
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| 22:24.18 | jnewt_ | but to move this along, i just shutdown -h, and made sure to start not in single user mode. so, i am guessing you know how to get this to work? |
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| 22:25.19 | robokop | nope no ideas about vnc and rdp, just got triggered at the ctrl-d mention |
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| 22:26.50 | Guest80251 | how can i compile specific modules from kernel source tree instead of compiling all modules with "make modules" ? |
| 22:26.56 | jnewt_ | well, guess i'm no further along |
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| 22:27.22 | dondelelcaro | Guest80251: why aren't you just using a Debian kernel? |
| 22:27.46 | Guest80251 | i am |
| 22:28.13 | dondelelcaro | so... why are you compiling modules? |
| 22:28.49 | Guest80251 | cuz the module for my wlan card wasnt included in squeeze ? |
| 22:29.05 | dvs | Guest42306: which one? |
| 22:29.10 | Guest80251 | acx100 |
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| 22:29.28 | dondelelcaro | Guest80251: so m-a a-i acx100; or similar. |
| 22:29.44 | Phantom_Hoover | What's the name for the APT package with the libc docs? |
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| 22:31.03 | dondelelcaro | Phantom_Hoover: you probably want manpages-dev or similar, but apt-file will help you if you're looking for a specific manpage |
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| 22:31.18 | Phantom_Hoover | Thanks. |
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| 22:32.06 | dvs | acx100-source is in lenny and wheezy |
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| 22:34.18 | jnewt_ | windows tries to rdp on 3389. i try this from the server: telent open localhost 3389, and i get a connection. |
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| 22:34.24 | h2mster | hi |
| 22:34.26 | jnewt_ | so 3389 is open. |
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| 22:34.45 | jnewt_ | then i try to rdp, and just get a blank screen. what gives? |
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| 22:37.00 | jnewt_ | sesman starts, without error to log file. |
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| 22:38.47 | jnewt_ | sesman shows listening..., try rdp, no log changes, no connection. f&%*!!! |
| 22:39.31 | jnewt_ | no error on the windows side. |
| 22:39.41 | jnewt_ | no error period. just doesn't work! |
| 22:39.55 | Bushmills | conclusion: it doesn't work |
| 22:40.17 | jnewt_ | bushmills: next steps to make it work? |
| 22:40.33 | jnewt_ | did i miss something? |
| 22:40.35 | Bushmills | determine the cause of the problem |
| 22:40.42 | jnewt_ | i have no logs |
| 22:40.49 | Bushmills | nor do I |
| 22:40.52 | jnewt_ | no errors. |
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| 22:40.57 | thewanderer1 | guys, I have Debian in OpenVZ VE and it's not starting without CAP_NET_RAW. why? |
| 22:40.58 | Bushmills | me neither |
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| 22:41.10 | jnewt_ | Bushmills: how do you get anything to work? |
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| 22:41.26 | Bushmills | by configuring it properly, then running it |
| 22:41.27 | zhulikas | I have a server which supports software raid. First time I reinstalled operating system through rescue system I had two hard disks and setup software RAID1. Next time I reinstall operating system I can see only one disk. Is that a software raid from a previous setup or I just screwed up one of HDDs? |
| 22:42.07 | zhulikas | cat /proc/mdstat doesn't show any raid setups |
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| 22:42.16 | jnewt_ | Bushmills: there it is, whenever someone doesn't have an answer, they answer with something along the lines of "do it right", in your case "configuring it properly". this helps no one. |
| 22:42.37 | zhulikas | please answer my question, I am really worried about it |
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| 22:42.40 | Bushmills | we like to help, but from no information there come only general answers |
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| 22:42.55 | Bushmills | "i have no logs" is not a good error description |
| 22:43.06 | jnewt_ | ok, i agree |
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| 22:43.46 | jnewt_ | i am monitoring the sesman.log, in /etc/ i expect there to be something logged when i try to connect from another pc. there is not. |
| 22:44.24 | Bushmills | i have no idea how sesman.log relates to attempting to connect to rdp service |
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| 22:44.51 | jnewt_ | i believe that xrdp logs to sesman.log. |
| 22:44.51 | Bushmills | or, for that matter, why you would find any relevant log information in there anyway |
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| 22:45.13 | jnewt_ | i am expecting xrdp to log a connection or attempt or error of some sort. |
| 22:45.18 | Bushmills | then you have an information advantage over me |
| 22:45.27 | jnewt_ | :( |
| 22:46.03 | thewanderer1 | can anyone with OpenVZ confirm something for me? I need to do a timing test and see if I can reproduce a bug in a different environment. |
| 22:46.30 | Bushmills | tcpdump or tshark can be helpful tools for diagnosing problems when connecting to services fails |
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| 22:55.05 | Centrozap | hello |
| 22:55.11 | h2mster | I installed K3B soon after a fresh Installation of Squeeze.. after that as I call synaptic from the root console I get an GTK error.. apt-get doesn't seem to work anymore either .. e.g. apt-get install gftp returns gftp was not to be found |
| 22:55.12 | jnewt_ | Bushmills: it was windows. win7 doesn't work. xp does. problem found. |
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| 22:57.02 | Bushmills | jnewt_: now think of the cause of your problem, and your barking of "whenever someone doesn't have an answer, they answer with something along the lines of "do it right"" |
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| 22:58.40 | thewanderer1 | haha, reportbug is crashing :) |
| 22:58.48 | bobert_ | in debian with gnome sometimes you are prompted for the root password when changing a setting. How can a user who can sudo have access as well? |
| 22:59.20 | penos | bobert_, maybe go to terminal and login as root |
| 22:59.37 | bobert_ | penos: no not like that |
| 23:00.05 | h2mster | what does the gtk error mean after all? |
| 23:00.47 | amphi | !qotd47 |
| 23:00.47 | dpkg | <g4lt> okay, in a fit of complete irony, reportbug is puking on upgrade |
| 23:00.53 | h2mster | i guess i return to installation state snapshot in vbox |
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| 23:01.10 | Jamp | alguien sabe de un buen how to para instalar squeeze en una hp tx2000?? |
| 23:01.15 | amphi | h2mster: what gtk error? |
| 23:01.25 | thewanderer1 | thanks amphi, this is really helpful :D now I'm running it with "-u text" :P |
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| 23:02.19 | amphi | Jamp: try linux-laptop.net or tuxmobil.org |
| 23:02.36 | thewanderer1 | oh. is anyone else getting "Unable to connect to Debian BTS" in reportbug? |
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| 23:02.46 | h2mster | had to look it up the notebook i am chatting on is on ubuntu ... it is just strange it came up as k3b with all the kde environment was installed |
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| 23:04.54 | y7 | i have a bunch of files from a tgz that i extracted. how do i go about installing the driver that was inside of the package? |
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| 23:05.29 | penos | y7, maybe chmod +x the file and run it |
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| 23:05.46 | y7 | i'm trying to install from root, so i shouldn't need to chmod it, correct? |
| 23:06.02 | y7 | how do i run the file though, that's what i can't figure out.... can't find any documentation on it :( |
| 23:06.31 | h2mster | is it a *.sh ? shell script |
| 23:06.52 | y7 | i don't think so, but i have no idea |
| 23:07.07 | Bushmills | y7: ask the person who packaged the file |
| 23:07.18 | Bushmills | or maybe the developer knows |
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| 23:07.36 | y7 | it's for a 3ware raid card... i have to call 3ware to find that answer? |
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| 23:08.00 | Bushmills | most likely - i suppose they know the installation procedures of the drivers they pack |
| 23:08.14 | y7 | ok. thanks for the help |
| 23:08.25 | Bushmills | you could complain at them, for not adding a README |
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| 23:13.53 | y7 | i have a file called install.sh |
| 23:14.04 | y7 | i'm guessing that means it's an a shell script? |
| 23:14.10 | h2mster | mm yep |
| 23:14.36 | h2mster | cd tofolder sh install.sh |
| 23:15.01 | h2mster | http://3ware.com/download/Escalade9690SA-Series/9.5.2/3w-9xxx-linux-src-2.4-9.5.2.tgz are these the drivers you downloaded? |
| 23:15.01 | y7 | done |
| 23:15.22 | y7 | the tech support guy on the phone told me to get this one: 3dm2-CLI-non-java-linux-9.5.3.tgz |
| 23:15.30 | y7 | he said it wasn't for my specific raid card but they're all the same |
| 23:15.50 | y7 | he said i had to get the 9650's though, even though my card is an 8506 |
| 23:16.38 | y7 | this one: http://www.lsi.com/DistributionSystem/User/AssetMgr.aspx?asset=55687 |
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| 23:18.15 | ubuntuusers | hi |
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| 23:18.37 | Mr_Queue | That's why I buy stuff already in the kernel....... |
| 23:18.58 | Mr_Queue | My T61 is 100% supported in the kernel. |
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| 23:19.23 | ubuntuusers | i habe some problems with tearing using ubuntu 10.10 |
| 23:19.26 | y7 | this is a raid card i bought 6+ years ago before i even knew debian existed ;\ |
| 23:19.26 | Mr_Queue | But, being a Debian user, they strip out the wireless firmware.. Easy fix.. |
| 23:19.27 | ubuntuusers | have |
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| 23:19.38 | Mr_Queue | y7: ahh.. well, next time. :) |
| 23:19.41 | y7 | ^^ |
| 23:20.05 | Mr_Queue | what the hell is tearing? |
| 23:20.23 | h2mster | if you got kernel 2.6.14 there seems no need for drivers http://blog.raptor2101.de/tag/3ware/ round mid the page |
| 23:20.25 | y7 | i don't know what you're asking |
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| 23:20.32 | Mr_Queue | maybe it's when and ubuntu user learns that debian is much better, they tear. |
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| 23:21.03 | y7 | h2mster, thank you for the help. i'll check it out |
| 23:21.04 | yankee | Word: Tripple Buffering :D |
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| 23:24.20 | Guest4965 | How to install iwl4965? |
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| 23:25.41 | HazardX | so...I'm trying to install debian into a KVM virtual-machine, except when the installer resizes the screen, i can't see half of it anymore... |
| 23:26.28 | penos | do fullscreen |
| 23:26.35 | saturne | use ssh ^^ |
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| 23:26.44 | h2mster | guest4965: terminal : dmesg | grep iwl |
| 23:26.47 | HazardX | ....I can't use ssh. |
| 23:26.49 | HazardX | ? |
| 23:26.51 | h2mster | what does it show |
| 23:26.59 | saturne | can't use ssh? |
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| 23:27.09 | saturne | why? |
| 23:27.11 | HazardX | for an install?! |
| 23:27.24 | Guest4965 | h2mster: nothing, probably because i blacklisted iwlagn |
| 23:27.38 | saturne | oh |
| 23:28.01 | HazardX | oh wait...I may have stumbled accross a workable solution... |
| 23:28.15 | h2mster | so iwlist scan would not be useful either |
| 23:28.22 | saturne | i don't use kvm on linux, sorry.. |
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| 23:28.48 | Guest4965 | right, enabling it will crash the system |
| 23:28.57 | HazardX | oh no nevermind, apparently when the installer's framebuffer is active vnc won't refresh :/ |
| 23:29.05 | Guest4965 | i know iwl4965 works, but currently I have iwlagn, it crashes the system |
| 23:29.06 | HazardX | oh how I miss the default text installer. |
| 23:29.10 | HazardX | *old default |
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| 23:30.14 | h2mster | modinfo iwl4965 |
| 23:30.20 | HazardX | huzzah! blindly doing down-down-right-enter got me to the advanced install menu |
| 23:30.31 | Guest4965 | ERROR: modinfo: could not find module iwl4965 |
| 23:30.52 | penos | Guest4965, you need to recompile the kernel |
| 23:30.53 | Guest4965 | it seems the newer kernel I'm not using as ditched iwl4965 in favour of iwlagn |
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| 23:31.26 | eAndrius | HazardX: have you tried simply reconnecting to vnc server? |
| 23:31.48 | HazardX | eAndrius, that will make it refresh, *ONCE* but then continute not updating afterwards. |
| 23:31.56 | HazardX | I got into the old text-install so I'm fine now. |
| 23:31.57 | Guest4965 | is there any way to do this that doesn't involve recompiling the kernel? |
| 23:32.17 | WillWork4Foo | hullo all... I am experimenting with learning irssi shortcuts etc, so if I disappear / reappear, it's probably not intentional. |
| 23:32.36 | WillWork4Foo | Guest4965: what you trying to do? |
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| 23:33.12 | Guest4965 | WillWork4Foo: install driver (kernel module?) iwl4965 in place of iwlagn, which crashes my system |
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| 23:33.38 | Guest4965 | Or, if you have any ideas to fix iwlagn, that would be great |
| 23:33.45 | h2mster | you might try to swith it on even that it not even was detected... |
| 23:33.47 | h2mster | sudo rmmod -f iwl4965 |
| 23:33.47 | h2mster | sudo modprobe iwl4965 rfkill=0 led=1 |
| 23:33.47 | h2mster | iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 23:34.18 | WillWork4Foo | Guest4965: shouldn't need to recompile any kernels... should get hold of build-essential and then get the source for the iwl4965 and build against your systems stuff. |
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| 23:34.31 | WillWork4Foo | recompiling kernels - who even does that these days |
| 23:34.32 | WillWork4Foo | ? |
| 23:34.45 | Guest4965 | FATAL: Module iwl4965 not found. |
| 23:34.45 | HazardX | WillWork4Foo, I do. All the time. |
| 23:34.49 | casts | gentoo users |
| 23:34.56 | WillWork4Foo | HazardX: just for fun? |
| 23:34.58 | dvs | WillWork4Foo: me |
| 23:35.05 | y7 | i got it installed! ... now how can i remove a directory that isn't empty? the rmdir man says to rmdir directory -ignore-fail-on-non-empty but that doesn't work for me |
| 23:35.13 | HazardX | Sometimes, but usually for an update or something. |
| 23:35.26 | WillWork4Foo | dvs: you guys all just love seeing those CC and LD statements fly by over coffee, yep? |
| 23:35.32 | HazardX | besides the maintainer that made your lovely binary kernel package had to compile it by some method. |
| 23:35.32 | Guest4965 | I plan on doing that, learning to compile the kernel, just to remove all the crap i dont use |
| 23:36.01 | WillWork4Foo | HazardX: yep I know, I used to crosscompile for embedded ARM devices. Killed the love for me. |
| 23:36.03 | dvs | WillWork4Foo: Or I want my wireless connection to work better |
| 23:36.04 | Guest4965 | WillWork4Foo: That's a good idea, I'll see if I can hunt down the source |
| 23:36.11 | penos | y7, rm -rf |
| 23:36.18 | y7 | thx |
| 23:36.19 | WillWork4Foo | dvs: "better"? |
| 23:36.27 | WillWork4Foo | :) |
| 23:36.54 | thewanderer1 | ok, so I should report a bug but can't do it since reportbug is returning "Unable to connect to Debian BTS; continue [y|N|?]?" |
| 23:37.02 | dvs | WillWork4Foo: The 2.6.32 dropped the connection frequently. Now, the connection drops once in a while. |
| 23:37.09 | HazardX | why in the name of god does the netinstall CD boot to a framebuffered GUI?! |
| 23:37.13 | WillWork4Foo | meh - don't misunderstand, I'm not being judgemental - just thinking that *most* people shouldn't look to recompiling the kernel until everything else is exhausted |
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| 23:37.41 | HazardX | WillWork4Foo, well, that's usually how it goes down anyway. |
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| 23:38.08 | WillWork4Foo | dvs: that's a PITA, I had a Linksys card in a laptop that did that. I worked out it died because it was overheating due to some daft driver code that was polling every other clock cycle instead of using an interrupt. |
| 23:38.10 | eAndrius | and it's a pain to update custom kernel : ( |
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| 23:38.51 | HazardX | eAndrius, in debian, yes it most certianly is, in a distro like gentoo, not so much |
| 23:38.54 | WillWork4Foo | eAndrius: yeah, I know - I used to work with embedded ARM devices, and updating those was less fun than influenza |
| 23:39.06 | dvs | WillWork4Foo: Hmm... that's an idea. I think it more due to a poorly written driver. |
| 23:39.13 | eAndrius | hehe |
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| 23:39.22 | HazardX | what does "standard system utilities" install? |
| 23:39.29 | WillWork4Foo | dvs: is it in a laptop? |
| 23:39.38 | dvs | WillWork4Foo: yup.\ |
| 23:39.44 | WillWork4Foo | I find laptop wifi to be far sketchier than old-fashioned desktop PCI kit |
| 23:40.07 | WillWork4Foo | I've not even seen a desktop PC for over a year now - I am not even sure they are still made! |
| 23:40.10 | dvs | WillWork4Foo: and most laptops don't come with a CardBus connection anymore. |
| 23:40.15 | HazardX | FTFY: "I find laptops to be far sketchier than old fashioned desktops" |
| 23:40.47 | WillWork4Foo | dvs: I know. PCMCIA was damned useful in loads of ways. |
| 23:41.02 | WillWork4Foo | cardbus != PCMCIA, I was just missing useful bits on laptops. |
| 23:41.21 | WillWork4Foo | what's FTFY? |
| 23:41.29 | HazardX | fixed-that-for-you |
| 23:41.33 | WillWork4Foo | aha ok |
| 23:41.38 | WillWork4Foo | I geddit. |
| 23:41.49 | y7 | anybody know what's going on here..... some northbridge error: http://pastebin.com/eWtUWgrH ?? |
| 23:42.25 | WillWork4Foo | y7: I am having a peek |
| 23:42.28 | y7 | ty |
| 23:43.21 | HazardX | y7: that's a good one...plenty vauge, I'd see what dmesg has to say. |
| 23:43.36 | Guest4965 | im building compat-wireless, supposedly it has iwl4965 |
| 23:43.37 | y7 | should i grep anything out of dmesg? |
| 23:44.02 | HazardX | just the stuff at the end really |
| 23:44.06 | WillWork4Foo | y7: it would appear that the dilithium crystal containment field is about to fail, causing a chain reaction and destroying your northbridge and everything within a 6 mile radius. Possibly. |
| 23:44.33 | y7 | sweet |
| 23:44.51 | WillWork4Foo | I think it's one of those mildly annoying but ultimately harmless hardware gremlins that can cause issues with the kernel sometimes... researching further |
| 23:45.05 | WillWork4Foo | y7: does anything actually *not work* |
| 23:45.14 | WillWork4Foo | or is it just an annoying error that fills up your syslog |
| 23:45.38 | Guest4965 | hardware gremlins, i hate those |
| 23:45.46 | HazardX | they make life interesting. |
| 23:45.53 | Guest4965 | but they never get isolated |
| 23:45.56 | WillWork4Foo | yarp. |
| 23:45.58 | y7 | WillWork4Foo, i just installed my 3ware raid card, so i'm guessing that's what triggered this because i wasn't getting this error before |
| 23:46.38 | y7 | this is a copy of my dmesg: http://pastebin.com/m23pzxD9 |
| 23:46.56 | WillWork4Foo | y7: yep. This is the beautiful thing about using computer put together from miscellaneous bits such as they all are - sometimes their various interconnecting bits cause gremlins. |
| 23:46.57 | Guest4965 | why at boot would iwlagn try to "add station ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff" |
| 23:47.25 | WillWork4Foo | y7: if nothing is actually broken and misbehaving, I'd be tempted to set up a logrotater that would filter out that error |
| 23:47.38 | WillWork4Foo | it's a hack but it's the easiest fix |
| 23:48.03 | thewanderer1 | ok, reportbug works for some example package, but breaks when I try to report a bug in linux-image-2.6.32-5-openvz-amd64. what do I do now? |
| 23:48.04 | y7 | well when i open up my raid cards gui, it shows everything is good and my JBOD is there... i don't know how to access that JBOD yet, because while i was trying to learn that, that msg kept popping up |
| 23:48.12 | y7 | so everything may not actually work if i can't access that JBOD |
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| 23:48.33 | WillWork4Foo | y7: hmm... need to tell syslog to ignore that error. Not sure how to do that just now |
| 23:48.34 | Guest4965 | ok here goes |
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| 23:49.41 | jnewt_ | trying to setup virtualbox, and don't see the option for briged networking. is this gone? |
| 23:50.05 | WillWork4Foo | jnewt_: try asking in #virtualbox |
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| 23:51.07 | h2mster | guest4965 can you edit rc.local ? |
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| 23:52.42 | WillWork4Foo | gtg |
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| 23:53.01 | h2mster | /etc/rc.local |
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| 23:55.22 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: http://bugs.debian.org/src:linux-2.6 |
| 23:55.27 | h2mster | like in root terminal: vi etc/rc.local |
| 23:55.31 | h2mster | than ad |
| 23:55.34 | h2mster | modprobe -rf iwl4965 |
| 23:55.35 | h2mster | sleep 2 |
| 23:55.35 | h2mster | modprobe iwl4965 disable=0 |
| 23:55.35 | h2mster | sleep 2 |
| 23:55.35 | h2mster | /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 23:55.38 | thewanderer1 | dondelelcaro: yes, it never displays... |
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| 23:58.06 | h2mster | sorry vi /etc/rc.local |
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