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| 00:05.57 | penos | hey guys can you use linux on a quad core cpu? |
| 00:06.40 | MrFrood | yes |
| 00:06.42 | dvs | penos: sure |
| 00:06.59 | dvs | penos: like a Core 2 Quad? |
| 00:07.01 | Bushmills | no, not directly |
| 00:07.12 | MrFrood | you can use it on a lot more cores than 4 |
| 00:07.27 | Bushmills | the CPU needs more hardware around, like some I/O, RAM and such |
| 00:08.27 | MrFrood | what is the core limit now? |
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| 00:08.36 | penos | im a newbie so i just install ubuntu and i can use it on quad core cpu? |
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| 00:09.04 | Bushmills | no, asking on debian about installing ubuntu is more like trolling |
| 00:09.07 | casts | MrFrood: 4k sounds familar |
| 00:09.11 | Bushmills | less noobish |
| 00:09.13 | MrFrood | yes, but wrong channel |
| 00:09.58 | MrFrood | !ubuntu |
| 00:09.58 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 00:12.48 | Delf | Where do I set the user rights/access? |
| 00:13.18 | dvs | Delf: you usually do this through groups |
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| 00:13.52 | Bushmills | !chmod |
| 00:13.52 | dpkg | If you do not know how to use chmod but ask for a lesson in "Chmod 101" classes, we feel sorry for you, or simple octal, with r=4 w=2 x=1. rwxr-xr-- = (rwx) (r-x) (r--) = (4+2+1) (4+0+1) (4+0+0) = 754. or ask me about <permissions>. |
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| 00:14.39 | Delf | That is file access. I'm talking about permission to connect through XDMCP and so on |
| 00:15.07 | penos | if i install debian it won't support quad core cpu without fondling right? |
| 00:15.16 | Bushmills | oh, right. re-reading your question, it was very evident indeed |
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| 00:15.29 | dvs | An XDMCP that allows root access? |
| 00:15.37 | mjmt | From http://www.sgi.com/products/servers/altix/uv/ -- "Altix® UV scales to extraordinary levels-up to 256 sockets (2,048 cores, 4096 threads) with architectural support to 262,144 cores (32,768 sockets)." and "This results in the ability to use performance leading Intel® Xeon® processor 7500 series CPUs and standard, off the shelf versions of Linux" |
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| 00:16.09 | penos | !quad |
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| 00:16.46 | allorder | penos: debian will support it |
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| 00:18.52 | penos | !help |
| 00:20.50 | Delf | dvs: No, a regular user. |
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| 00:25.14 | Delf | Where to enable XDMCP access? |
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| 00:27.37 | thewanderer1 | Delf: depends on your display manager. google for "<dm> xdmcp" for more info. |
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| 00:51.01 | trebuchet | Are there FOSS drivers that work well for OpenGL/Gallium3D/Xv/Whateverthehell on an ATI Radeon HD 4670? |
| 00:51.21 | trebuchet | I just wanna play some Red Eclipse and showcase some free software games. |
| 00:51.26 | trebuchet | (with max settings) |
| 00:51.46 | casts | wouldn't the ATI channel be more topical |
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| 00:55.11 | trebuchet | casts: How about you give me your email someday. |
| 00:55.38 | casts | nothing wrong with irc. |
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| 00:55.56 | trebuchet | .-. |
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| 01:02.19 | factorx | are there any more or less "out-of-the-box" options for a fancy looking grub2, while using an encrypted / and /usr? |
| 01:02.51 | Delf | Ok.. I'm kind of stuck. I'm not new to google either. |
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| 01:04.48 | Delf | I can't find necessary files to edit to allow an XDMCP. Anyone? |
| 01:05.01 | Delf | is running Debian Squeeze |
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| 01:09.06 | Bushmills | (01:27:36) thewanderer1: Delf: depends on your display manager. <- Delf |
| 01:09.29 | Delf | GDM3? |
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| 01:11.18 | Bushmills | grep for -nolisten tcp in your /etc/X11 recursively. xorg may not be executed with that option |
| 01:11.20 | Delf | http://www.google.se/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=gdm3+xdmcp&aq=0&aqi=g4&aql=&oq=GDM3+x |
| 01:11.47 | Delf | Lost support for XDMCP in GDM3? |
| 01:11.48 | Bushmills | gdm has xdmcp setup in its config dialog. i *suppose* gdm3 has that too |
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| 01:12.22 | Delf | Bushmills: It's adjusted to retards, it seems. Not much to choose in the config dialog. |
| 01:13.08 | Bushmills | good that you aren't one, and manage to set it up without problems :) |
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| 01:15.29 | Delf | gdm I can setup, easily. But not GDM3 |
| 01:15.46 | Bushmills | what do you do to set it up? |
| 01:16.07 | Delf | I use the gui provided. |
| 01:16.24 | Bushmills | which is called how? |
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| 01:17.01 | tensorpudding | gdm removed support for connecting to xdmcp |
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| 01:17.36 | Delf | tensorpudding: gdm3 you mean? |
| 01:18.05 | tensorpudding | i guess? |
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| 01:18.37 | tensorpudding | xdmcp is insecure anyway |
| 01:19.14 | Delf | http://packages.debian.org/sid/gdm3 |
| 01:19.33 | Delf | Everything is insecure |
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| 01:20.08 | tensorpudding | nevermind |
| 01:20.12 | tensorpudding | my info was out of date |
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| 01:23.55 | Delf | Ok.. |
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| 01:24.19 | Bushmills | if gdm3 gives you problems, why not use gdm instead? |
| 01:25.38 | Delf | Bushmills: I'm a N00b. I don't even know how to get rid of gdm3 and then use gdm?.. |
| 01:26.10 | Delf | I can't even find the freaking manual for GDM3 :D |
| 01:26.13 | Bushmills | aptitude install gdm should do. you may also want to aptitude purge gdm3 |
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| 01:28.50 | Delf | I rather not. |
| 01:28.51 | erAbuelo | hasta mañana |
| 01:29.26 | Bushmills | in the gdm config dialog, there are essentially two things to do: Deny TCP connections to server must be unchecked, and under the remote config tab the choice may not be "Remote login disabled" |
| 01:30.01 | Delf | How do I know what I can type in the etc/gdm3/daemon.conf |
| 01:30.22 | Delf | Bushmills: Please forget gdm. I want to learn how to use gdm3. |
| 01:30.33 | Bushmills | ok. |
| 01:30.59 | Bushmills | in case of conflicting goals, you choose the more important one, of course |
| 01:31.02 | Delf | It says [XDMCP] in that file but there's no comments, no examples, no nothing. |
| 01:31.40 | Bushmills | but then, go learn it. asking here is not really "learning" |
| 01:31.46 | Delf | There are no "default" settings specified there either :D |
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| 01:32.17 | Delf | Bushmills: What is there to learn? I'm googling like an idiot for gdm3 documentation/manual |
| 01:32.44 | Bushmills | i don't know, i don't use gdm3. therefore i haven't been in the situation to look for information about it |
| 01:33.27 | Delf | Well, your effort to help is appreciated in any case. |
| 01:33.42 | Bushmills | i'd probably start looking into /usr/share/doc/gdm3 |
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| 01:37.09 | Delf | Now that is something new to learn. I didn't even know that doc directory existed. Lots of useful stuff there. |
| 01:37.10 | jmarsden | Delf: man gdm3 is also recommended :) |
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| 01:41.13 | Delf | I tried both. I'm stuck now again. |
| 01:43.11 | olek23c | My disk APM level is reset to 128 after suspend to ram |
| 01:43.28 | olek23c | I cannot find any working solution (squeeze) |
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| 01:46.02 | olek23c | despite setting apm for the drive in hdparm.conf |
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| 01:47.52 | Ramblurr | what is the proper way to get version 0.6.14 of python-distribute on squeeze? |
| 01:48.24 | casts | install it in /usr/local/ if it's not in squeeze |
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| 01:49.38 | jst | Hey, all. I ran: sudo apt-get -t unstable install iceweasel ... This upgraded iceweasel and some other packages. How can I remove all the packages that were installed and go back to the stable version of Iceweasel? |
| 01:51.20 | tonsofpcs | i don't think you can... |
| 01:51.30 | jst | Crap. |
| 01:51.34 | tonsofpcs | not sure |
| 01:51.48 | tonsofpcs | i mean, there's always a _can_ but ease, I suppose... |
| 01:51.54 | jst | I would like to upgrade to Iceweasel 4.0 RC which is in experimental, but it's giving me dependency crap. |
| 01:53.13 | olek23c | jst: try pinnig iceweasel package to stable release |
| 01:53.26 | jst | I'm not sure how to do that. |
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| 01:53.48 | jst | sudo apt-get -t stable install iceweasel? |
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| 01:56.06 | olek23c | jst: may not work since the package is already installed, but worth trying :) |
| 01:56.38 | jst | I mean, I don't know how to pin a package to a particular release. |
| 01:56.47 | jst | Was my guess correct? |
| 01:57.32 | babilen | jst: no, how many packages from sid do you have installed. Was icweasel 4.* the only reason for you to venture into sid-land? |
| 01:57.46 | jst | nvidia-glx too :) |
| 01:58.03 | babilen | which you would like to keep? |
| 01:59.24 | babilen | it is generally a bad idea to mix stable with unstable. but not to make this longer (am tired, and just couldn't watch this). You want to pin *all* packages you want to downgrade to a priority >= 1001 so they get downgraded. |
| 01:59.29 | babilen | !pinning |
| 01:59.29 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 02:01.29 | babilen | jst: A list of packages you have from unstable can be summoned with the following command 'apt-show-versions|grep -e "/sid"' -- good luck |
| 02:02.24 | olek23c | babilen: I was actually thinking about setting negative priority for iceweasel from unstable |
| 02:02.42 | babilen | jst: You might also try to "aptitude install PKG=VERSION" -- which might just work. For example: "aptitude install iceweasel=3.5.16-4" -- Do that in *one* command for *all* applicable packages. |
| 02:03.04 | babilen | olek23c: downgrades need a priority >= 1001 |
| 02:05.04 | olek23c | i see |
| 02:05.38 | babilen | jst: That all being said. It is pretty easy to download Firefox 4.* from the mozilla site and unpack it to, for example, /usr/local or /opt. You can even teach the alternatives systems that it is your preferred x-www-browser (read "man update-alternatives" regarding the --install option) |
| 02:06.10 | babilen | have fun, if you need further and more detailed help come back tomorrow :) |
| 02:06.19 | jst | Okay, thanks for the help. :) |
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| 02:11.34 | jst | Does anyone know if Firefox 4 will make it into stable or backports possibly? |
| 02:12.29 | un214 | I'm going to build it from source as soon as its available |
| 02:12.44 | streuner_ | isnt it still beta? |
| 02:12.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | jst: backports possibly, not stable |
| 02:12.48 | babilen | jst: stable, never, backports likely |
| 02:12.51 | jst | Ehh, RC1 |
| 02:12.56 | jst | Okay, thanks. |
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| 02:13.02 | streuner_ | well, backports? |
| 02:13.15 | streuner_ | surely not |
| 02:14.15 | streuner_ | you could download some binaries, which are more or less stable |
| 02:14.28 | babilen | !stable |
| 02:14.28 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 02:14.35 | babilen | That ^^^^ is stable |
| 02:15.02 | streuner_ | yes, stable in terms of mozilla :-) |
| 02:15.33 | streuner_ | mozilla offers some binaries, daily... |
| 02:15.54 | streuner_ | babilen: we are talking about binaries... |
| 02:16.12 | streuner_ | not sources and not Debian at all... |
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| 02:16.24 | babilen | streuner_: I know that *you* know what stable in the Debian sense means, was meant for the benefit of the general public which typically has a different understanding of "stable" :) |
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| 02:17.44 | streuner_ | well, these binaries arent mostly very well tested and often not stable at all, you can only pray if they work... |
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| 02:23.45 | streuner_ | jst: Dont expect 4 in stable and not in backports |
| 02:24.47 | streuner_ | jst: just read what bablien told you via dpkg (bot) about stable in Debian terms... |
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| 02:51.17 | tejr | hello chaps |
| 02:51.33 | tejr | would anyone care to recommend a well-packaged window manager for me? |
| 02:51.37 | tejr | gnome is just too heavy |
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| 02:52.55 | casts | e16 |
| 02:53.04 | D-HUND | wonders if 'well-packaged' and 'heavy' may be related somehow :) |
| 02:53.16 | tejr | haha |
| 02:53.19 | tejr | okay, restated: |
| 02:53.25 | tejr | gnome is using too much memory |
| 02:53.39 | tejr | i've used stuff like blackbox before which was nice enough |
| 02:53.49 | tejr | for example, is xfce likely to be much better |
| 02:54.14 | dudz_ | xfce is light |
| 02:54.16 | casts | gnome is a DE not a WM |
| 02:54.22 | D-HUND | prefers xfce before gnome but uses fluxbox |
| 02:54.25 | tejr | casts: okay, metacity then |
| 02:54.30 | tejr | ooh fluxbox |
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| 02:55.06 | tejr | this looks good actually |
| 02:55.12 | tejr | like blackbox but not quite as bare-bones |
| 02:55.14 | un214 | I've used lxde |
| 02:56.03 | un214 | I can't use a true barebones anymore as I need freedesktop's color rewriting protocol |
| 02:56.24 | tejr | i'm in a browser and terminal most of the day |
| 02:56.28 | tejr | running pidgin, irssi etc |
| 02:56.32 | tejr | minecraft occasionally |
| 02:56.59 | un214 | back in the day I set my environment to do mwm + firefox + terminal |
| 02:57.14 | un214 | I still run so few GUI apps that I could almost get away with it again |
| 02:57.24 | GinTonicool | buddies, do you familiar with C language ? |
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| 02:57.49 | tejr | okay i'm liking the look of fluxbox so i'll give that a shot. |
| 02:57.51 | GinTonicool | or embedded programmings ? |
| 02:57.52 | tejr | thanks gents |
| 02:58.00 | prince_jammys | tejr: i've used that for years. |
| 02:58.34 | peterrooney | tejr: I swear by e16; if useful minimalism is your aim, dwm is worth a look. |
| 02:58.42 | karlpinc | !tell GinTonicool about anybody |
| 02:58.54 | karlpinc | !tell GinTonicool about emdebian |
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| 02:59.23 | rudi_s | Xmonad is also very light. |
| 02:59.26 | tensorpudding | back when i ran debian on desktop i used xmonad |
| 02:59.42 | tensorpudding | but my config wasn't very light |
| 02:59.48 | rudi_s | ;-) |
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| 03:16.54 | jair | guys I am having a little problem with gnome and login in into my squeeze machine 64bit. When I log in as user I get a message: "Your session only lasted less than 10 seconds...... This start happening after trying to install im-switch package since I have Japanese/English in my debian system. Any ideas? I remove purged the package im-switch but the problem stills there |
| 03:17.33 | jair | as failsafe I can log in but then I am not sure about how to solve this problem |
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| 03:22.51 | prince_jammys | jair: saw this ages ago, when i ran gnome. if i recall right, it may have to do with permissions in your homedir |
| 03:23.45 | prince_jammys | this is just from memory, but .Xauthority may have played a role. |
| 03:23.56 | jair | now when I log in I get a gray screen and do not get anything back I logged as failsafe and I can get to the applications etc... but when I restarted now I can log in don't get the message that loggin in failed but the grey screen is that and does not finish load the gnome environment for my user. |
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| 03:24.23 | jair | prince_jammys: I am almost sure that this is regarding that as well |
| 03:25.08 | jair | prince_jammys: when I ran the im-switch command I saw that the .Xauthority file was modified, what should I try if I want to restore this system to it's good state |
| 03:25.34 | prince_jammys | in my system it is owned by my user and group, and the mode is 600 |
| 03:26.16 | jair | ok, this file is in the home directory of "user" user been my user correct? |
| 03:26.41 | prince_jammys | it's ~/.Xauthority |
| 03:28.13 | prince_jammys | you can probably move the file to a temporary place and it'll be regenerated |
| 03:28.44 | jair | prince_jammys: ohh looks like I have it the same |
| 03:29.00 | jair | prince_jammys: rw------- |
| 03:29.14 | jair | owned by user in this case user |
| 03:29.18 | jair | "user" |
| 03:29.29 | jair | I will move the file and restart see if it gets generated |
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| 03:30.21 | jair | alright I just moved it and reboot the system we will see the results in a second |
| 03:30.36 | prince_jammys | look at .ICEauthority |
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| 03:32.22 | prince_jammys | jair: what's at the end of ~/.xsession-errors ? |
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| 03:34.32 | jair | prince_jammys: moving the .Xauthority file did not help =( still log in and see the gray screen and not gnome environment. |
| 03:35.11 | prince_jammys | jair: do you have a file ~/.ICEauthority ? |
| 03:35.13 | jair | -rw------- 1 user user 118 Mar 18 22:31 .Xauthority |
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| 03:35.26 | jair | prince_jammys: looking |
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| 03:35.50 | jair | prince_jammys: yes I have that file here |
| 03:36.00 | prince_jammys | what are the permissions/owner |
| 03:36.09 | jair | prince_jammys: the .Xauthority got generated again |
| 03:36.44 | jair | prince_jammys: the same 600 here => -rw------- 1 user user 24992 Mar 18 22:17 .ICEauthority |
| 03:37.06 | prince_jammys | see if 'tail ~/.xsession-errors gives you a hint about the problem. |
| 03:37.52 | prince_jammys | also, ls -la ~ and see if any files/dirs are suspiciously owned by root, for example. |
| 03:38.01 | jair | prince_jammys: OK |
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| 03:38.50 | karlpinc | prince_jammys: Any idea why that package would mess up permissions? Just curious. Sounds like a bug should be filed. ? |
| 03:39.40 | prince_jammys | i haven't use ?dm in years, but if you search for "Your session lasted less than 10 seconds", you'll see many posts. |
| 03:39.57 | prince_jammys | i start X from the console, so i don't know. |
| 03:40.07 | jair | prince_jammys: look at this: http://paste.debian.net/111214/ |
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| 03:41.40 | un214 | I once had a condition where the failsafe session lasted for less than 10 seconds |
| 03:42.01 | un214 | that was beyone a reasonable level of obnoxious |
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| 03:43.36 | un214 | I think /home wasn't mounted or something like that |
| 03:46.43 | jair | prince_jammys: should I try resintalling gdm and gnome? |
| 03:47.02 | jair | that sounds pretty bad but I am not understanding the issue =( |
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| 03:48.16 | jair | prince_jammys: I got another error here |
| 03:48.57 | jair | "Can't open /usr/share/im-config/xinputrc.common" |
| 03:49.50 | karlpinc | jair: You could dpkg-reconfigure gdm. (But you probably want to replace it with gdm3 per the release notes.) |
| 03:49.57 | owen1 | i am downloading the net install now and about to install debian on my desktop. how should i partition my drive? 2 partitions, 1 for swap? |
| 03:50.01 | prince_jammys | jair: i don't know. I'd pastebin your whole .xsession-errors , mention what debian release you're running and wait for someone who knows. |
| 03:50.21 | prince_jammys | and yeah, whether you're running gdm, or gdm3, or whatever |
| 03:50.50 | karlpinc | owen1: Safest is 3 partitions. /boot / and one for swap. Most flexible is to use lvm (but not on /boot), but that takes a bit extra setting up that you might not want to do if you're new. |
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| 03:51.23 | jair | karlpinc: what do you mean with this? (But you probably want to replace it with gdm3 per the release notes.)? |
| 03:51.34 | owen1 | karlpinc: ok. i'll go for 3. do u know what should the ratio be? |
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| 03:52.45 | karlpinc | jair: As of squeeze Debian is moving from the gdm to the gdm3 package. A newer version. |
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| 03:53.03 | karlpinc | owen1: Ratio for swap? |
| 03:53.21 | jair | karlpinc: how can I tell squeeze to upgrade? |
| 03:53.35 | karlpinc | owen1: You may want to read the install guide. (And if you're new to debian the overview factoid is useful.) |
| 03:53.39 | karlpinc | !tell owen1 about overview |
| 03:53.41 | owen1 | karlpinc: for all of them |
| 03:53.41 | jair | karlpinc: apt-get install re-install gdm3 |
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| 03:53.53 | prince_jammys | jair: to settle the ownership issue, you can try ''find ~ ! -user 'YourUserNameHere'' |
| 03:54.27 | jair | prince_jammys: I think is because I remove that program im-switch |
| 03:54.38 | karlpinc | jair: "dpkg-reconfigure gdm3", if it's installed otherwise you should follow the instructions in the release notes for how to replace gdm with gdm3. It's in the "preparing for the next release section of section 4". |
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| 03:55.03 | owen1 | karlpinc: thanks! |
| 03:55.05 | karlpinc | owen1: The install guide has recommendations. How much ram do you have and how big is your disk? |
| 03:55.06 | jair | prince_jammys: I am getting this message at post-login "Can't open /usr/share/im-config/xinputrc.common" |
| 03:55.23 | prince_jammys | jair: removed with the package manager? |
| 03:55.30 | prince_jammys | s/the/a/ |
| 03:55.39 | owen1 | karlpinc: let me see.. |
| 03:55.47 | jair | prince_jammys: yes, I did apt-get remove --purge im-switch |
| 03:56.06 | prince_jammys | jair: try what karlpinc says. |
| 03:56.47 | jair | install gdm3 |
| 03:57.00 | karlpinc | jair: Maybe the problem is they're expecting you to use gdm3 instead of gdm and there's a bug with the gdm/im-switch combination. (That should probably be reported. In fact, you should check the bug tracking system to see if someone has your problem and a solution.) |
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| 03:57.27 | jair | karlpinc: I will try to check the gdm3 |
| 03:57.34 | jair | and let you know about the bug reports |
| 03:57.34 | pablo | hi, why does the installation with lvm encrypt takes so much time? |
| 03:58.00 | karlpinc | pablo: Because it's generating gobs and gobs of sudo-random numbers. |
| 03:58.18 | pablo | karlpinc: mm ok |
| 03:58.45 | pablo | karlpinc: what do you recommend lvm encrypted disk of a bios/hd password? |
| 03:58.54 | pablo | s/of/or |
| 03:59.13 | prince_jammys | jair: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=618021 |
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| 03:59.51 | prince_jammys | (that may very well not be your problem) |
| 04:00.06 | prince_jammys | ah, no im-switch |
| 04:00.11 | karlpinc | pablo: It all depends on the threat model your trying to address. Generally bios passwords are useless. More generally, anyone with physical access has a good chance of breaking in -- for some value of "good". |
| 04:00.29 | jair | reading now |
| 04:00.35 | karlpinc | pablo: s/your/you're/ |
| 04:00.39 | owen1 | karlpinc: 1.5GB RAM, 250GB disk |
| 04:00.49 | pablo | karlpinc: and what about a hd password (drivelock) |
| 04:01.13 | pablo | karlpinc: will you use drivelock or lvm encrypt? |
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| 04:01.21 | karlpinc | owen1: I'd waste a little space and use 120MB for /boot. Perhaps a gig for swap. The rest for /. |
| 04:01.52 | karlpinc | pablo: I'm not an expert. I'd use dmcrypt, I think. |
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| 04:02.17 | owen1 | karlpinc: sounds good. |
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| 04:03.14 | pablo | karlpinc: any reason to use that over drivelock? |
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| 04:03.37 | jair | karlpinc: http://paste.debian.net/111215/ |
| 04:03.41 | owen1 | karlpinc: btw, my plan is to install the bare minimum for my desktop - xorg + awesomeWM + + browsers + whatever i need for watching video. i hope debian will be a good fit. |
| 04:03.41 | jair | prince_jammys: http://paste.debian.net/111215/ |
| 04:03.55 | karlpinc | pablo: Really, I'd use what the install guide recommends. Probably. I don't know what drivelock is, but if it's propretary and secret it can't be trusted. |
| 04:04.03 | jair | installed again that package and see if the gdm reinstallation works |
| 04:04.49 | prince_jammys | jair: that looks like a normal installation, success. |
| 04:04.54 | jair | prince_jammys: I am almost sure that is because of that program |
| 04:05.15 | jair | prince_jammys: right but noticed the files that update, all those files affect Xserver |
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| 04:05.46 | prince_jammys | yes, apparently that's the purpose of im-switch |
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| 04:07.00 | karlpinc | !tell owen1 about overview |
| 04:07.28 | karlpinc | owen1: You will want to pay particular attention to the multi-media stuff that's referenced above. |
| 04:08.02 | owen1 | karlpinc: will do |
| 04:08.08 | karlpinc | owen1: People say debian is "hard" because it does not include non-free stuff by default, and a lot of video related stuff is non-free, or illegal, so it's not in the stock install. |
| 04:08.49 | jair | prince_jammys: I wonder what should I use to solved the issue ==> http://paste.debian.net/111216/ |
| 04:09.48 | prince_jammys | jair: i have no clue. |
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| 04:10.53 | karlpinc | pablo: If it relies on secrecy is isn't secure. First rule of security is that security by obscurity does not work. |
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| 04:11.12 | pablo | karlpinc: ok |
| 04:11.27 | jair | prince_jammys: I am sure It have to be something on one of this settings |
| 04:11.51 | jair | prince_jammys: everything was working perfectly until I run that command and changed to scim |
| 04:11.55 | karlpinc | owen1: If you're going to have really big files you might want to consider another partition and use something other than ext3 on it. Only because ext3 is slow deleting large files. (If it matters.) I can't say what's the right fs to use. |
| 04:12.11 | prince_jammys | jair: try using whatever's considered 'default' ? |
| 04:12.22 | jair | oik |
| 04:12.23 | jair | Ok |
| 04:12.37 | prince_jammys | jair: but i don't know. see if ''man im-switch'' is of use. |
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| 04:14.38 | owen1 | karlpinc: just some movies here and there. i am kind of scared of the videos situation. started reading the link u sent me and now i am in http://debian-multimedia.org/ and trying to understand what should i do to get videos working. (the same with flash for chrome/FF) |
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| 04:15.14 | jair | prince_jammys: tryng to guess here I am trying default in everything |
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| 04:15.45 | jair | but I wonder if I can remove the whole gdm and reinstall it may fix it |
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| 04:16.53 | owen1 | karlpinc: i guess all i have to do is adding deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main non-free to sources.list |
| 04:17.30 | jair | prince_jammys: I am not sure about what to do... I can remove the users and leave the data backed up then create a new user and try to log in |
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| 04:18.29 | jair | prince_jammys: does this mean I have both? root@tivoli2:~# dpkg -l | grep gdm |
| 04:18.29 | jair | rc gdm 2.20.11-4 GNOME Display Manager |
| 04:18.32 | jair | ii gdm3 2.30.5-6 Next generation GNOME Display Manager |
| 04:18.58 | jmarsden | jair: No, the ii at the start means installed. So you have gdm3 installed |
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| 04:21.30 | karlpinc | owen1: Yess..... But check the footnotes. It's probably safer to rebuild the .deb files from the debian source. |
| 04:22.07 | jair | jmarsden: thank you |
| 04:22.23 | jmarsden | jair: You're welcome. |
| 04:22.27 | owen1 | karlpinc: i read it but didn't understand what it means (- |
| 04:23.28 | karlpinc | owen1: It's a recepie. You can ask here for more info. (Someone probably knows a factoid.) I find the most knowedgeable are here M-F 9-5 U.S. time. They are the professionals. |
| 04:23.53 | owen1 | karlpinc: sounds goo |
| 04:23.54 | owen1 | d |
| 04:24.47 | jmarsden | !package recompile |
| 04:24.48 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <apt-get source>. |
| 04:25.04 | jmarsden | !source package |
| 04:25.04 | dpkg | [source package] a set of files used to make a Debian binary <package>. The main file is the Debian source control file (<dsc>) which lists the other required files; use "dget http://.../foo.dsc" (see <devscripts>) to download the dsc and all referenced files. There is also a <tarball> and (usually) patches in <diff.gz> or <debsrc3.0> format. The dsc contains checksums and is cryptographically signed by the uploader. <policy> <nmg> |
| 04:25.07 | karlpinc | owen1: There you go. Type that stuff. :-) |
| 04:26.37 | owen1 | karlpinc: was this info for me?? |
| 04:26.54 | jmarsden | owen1: Yes, if you want to build packages from source. |
| 04:27.06 | karlpinc | owen1: Yes. It's how to recompile a package from it's source. You can then turn on all the stuff that's turned off for legal reasons. |
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| 04:28.18 | owen1 | karlpinc: ok. but how do i know what packages i need to recompile to watch videos? |
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| 04:30.28 | karlpinc | owen1: I don't know. Someone here does. I suspect it all eventually relies on one package somewere for codecs, like maybe ffplay, but I've not yet tried to go there. Maybe the wiki knows? You could always see what's in the multimedia repository and, instead of installing something from there, recompile the debian package. That might be best. |
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| 04:32.38 | prince_jammys | owen1: why recompile? |
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| 04:32.42 | karlpinc | owen1: I've used the dmm repo before but it seems to make upgrades painful and I'm going to try to transition away. |
| 04:33.04 | owen1 | another issue - i don't see dvorak in keys layout page (netist, regular install). will i be able to switch later? it would be great if i'll have a command to switch back and forth between dvorak and querty. |
| 04:33.04 | karlpinc | prince_jammys: Because the stock debian stuff has many video codecs and such disabled for legal reasons. |
| 04:33.22 | owen1 | prince_jammys: not sure about recomplie. i guess i meant 'install from source' |
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| 04:33.27 | prince_jammys | but isn't he using debian-multimedia ? |
| 04:33.51 | owen1 | prince_jammys: i wanted to. but karlpinc told me it's better to compile from source. |
| 04:33.57 | karlpinc | prince_jammys: The idea is to avoid dmm. See the footnotes on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware |
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| 04:35.04 | karlpinc | owen1: I don't know about keyboard layouts. It's all configurable, dynamically, but I don't know how. |
| 04:36.12 | karlpinc | owen1: Perhaps "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" will mess with keyboard layouts, or not. |
| 04:36.28 | prince_jammys | ok, well, i'll stay out of this one. i did not know this sentiment about debian-multimedia |
| 04:36.55 | karlpinc | prince_jammys: Me either, until a few months ago. And now I find that my ddm systems don't upgrade nicely. :-P |
| 04:37.26 | prince_jammys | i use that repository on many systems at home |
| 04:37.41 | karlpinc | prince_jammys: Apparently there are dependency issues. |
| 04:37.49 | karlpinc | prince_jammys: How do your upgrades go between releases? |
| 04:38.10 | prince_jammys | i've only been on debian since lenny |
| 04:38.25 | prince_jammys | i haven't had trouble, at least not in that department |
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| 04:38.45 | prince_jammys | err, since etch on one box |
| 04:39.09 | owen1 | karlpinc: can't u uninstall the ddm packages before the upgrade? |
| 04:39.21 | karlpinc | prince_jammys: I had some problems, but have only done one box with ddm lenny->squeeze so far. |
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| 04:41.18 | karlpinc | owen1: Yes. The part that could get tricky, and I don't know how real this is, is with different verisons and config files and not getting older software with newer config files and being sure the configs upgrade etc. Anyway, I've decided to try to recompile but have not really gone there yet. |
| 04:41.55 | karlpinc | prince_jammys: Do you remove the dmm packages before upgrade or how do you handle it? |
| 04:42.05 | prince_jammys | no, i didn't remove them |
| 04:42.18 | karlpinc | prince_jammys: Just upgraded dmm with the rest? |
| 04:42.24 | prince_jammys | i upgraded from lenny to squeeze when squeeze was testing |
| 04:43.03 | prince_jammys | i think i use mplayer, vlc and xbmc on one box, from that repo. |
| 04:43.12 | prince_jammys | maybe ffmpeg, don't remember. |
| 04:43.36 | karlpinc | prince_jammys: I think the one thing that may be in dmm that's not elsewhere is decss. Dunno. |
| 04:43.58 | prince_jammys | i have this, but don't use it. |
| 04:44.11 | karlpinc | prince_jammys: Do you play commercial dvds? |
| 04:44.20 | prince_jammys | rarely |
| 04:44.30 | karlpinc | prince_jammys: When you do you use decss. |
| 04:44.41 | prince_jammys | when playing commercial dvds |
| 04:44.46 | karlpinc | prince_jammys: Right. |
| 04:45.02 | prince_jammys | by rarely i mean like once a year |
| 04:45.15 | prince_jammys | (successfully) |
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| 04:54.29 | d4gg3r | Hi, I am on squeeze and cant see windows shares via nautilus |
| 04:54.57 | d4gg3r | the error is like "could not get the list of shares... please try another opener" |
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| 04:57.09 | f3xy | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:57.33 | f3xy | I would paste it to a paste bin though |
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| 04:58.38 | jef91 | What do I need to add to my packages rules file to have it pass certain arguements to my packages configure file before building? |
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| 04:59.36 | d4gg3r | http://dpaste.com/516318/ f3xy |
| 05:00.26 | f3xy | well you should put your mounts for the windows shares in there |
| 05:00.30 | f3xy | since they aren't there now |
| 05:01.00 | f3xy | and you should probably go to ##linux or something. This isn't a very debian specific question |
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| 05:02.57 | f3xy | but if you man mount and read up on /etc/fstab you should be able to solve your own problem |
| 05:03.00 | f3xy | good luck |
| 05:04.34 | d4gg3r | f3xy, I haven't been used to put my smb mounts in fstab |
| 05:05.06 | d4gg3r | BTW, nautilus was opening every share folder on my previuos installation |
| 05:05.24 | d4gg3r | f3xy, I asked it here because I thought I might miss a package or tool |
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| 05:10.52 | nz17 | Hello, upgrading from Etch to Squeeze, MySQL refuses to start. |
| 05:10.57 | nz17 | Any helpful suggestions? |
| 05:11.24 | nz17 | The service tries to start, but it is followed by a number of ". . ." before stated "failed!" |
| 05:11.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | nz17: check your logs? |
| 05:12.04 | nz17 | Sadly, nothing in the mysql.err log. |
| 05:13.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | does syslog offer anything? if not, you may have to bump up mysql logging verbosity and trying to restart it again |
| 05:13.34 | xk | nz17: ahhh... had that happen before. |
| 05:13.46 | xk | nz17: remove or add skip-* to my.cnf |
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| 05:14.19 | xk | I think I had to add skip-bdb to make mysqld to run |
| 05:14.32 | nz17 | OK, I'll try that. |
| 05:16.02 | jair | prince_jammys: I created a file that was missing and now I can access the system |
| 05:17.11 | jair | prince_jammys: I have a quick question though. if I removed the user "user" and created a user called "jair" and want all the files in the system owned by user and group user change to be owned by "jair" what will be the best way? |
| 05:17.22 | jair | prince_jammys: quickest way and safer |
| 05:17.42 | prince_jammys | jair: you mean transfer one user's files to another user? |
| 05:17.48 | f3xy | chown and chmod |
| 05:17.51 | f3xy | err |
| 05:17.52 | f3xy | chgrp |
| 05:17.54 | f3xy | srry |
| 05:18.07 | prince_jammys | problem is that some of the file contents may contain your old user name |
| 05:18.11 | jair | prince_jammys: correct |
| 05:18.31 | jair | contain my old username? |
| 05:18.37 | prince_jammys | yes |
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| 05:19.27 | jair | I removed the user all the files are still in the system and I don't want to loose them there is one application (vmware workstation) which I can start from my own user jair and will have to change the virtual machines ownership to jair |
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| 05:20.19 | prince_jammys | copy it over, and try chown -R newuser:newuser the_directory/ |
| 05:21.48 | prince_jammys | generally, chown -R newuser:newuser ~ for every file within your homedir. |
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| 05:22.34 | jair | prince_jammys: good |
| 05:22.43 | nz17 | OK, none of the skip options helped. |
| 05:22.58 | xk | hmmm |
| 05:22.59 | nz17 | However I looked at the system log and noticed that it was complaining about a file missing. |
| 05:22.59 | jair | now if I delete the user's home directory skel etc... of user will be gone correct? |
| 05:23.07 | jair | prince_jammys: now if I delete the user's home directory skel etc... of user will be gone correct? |
| 05:23.14 | nz17 | But I haven't been able to figure out what package should contain the missing file. |
| 05:23.17 | xk | which file? |
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| 05:23.25 | nz17 | It is supposed to be /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| 05:23.34 | jair | prince_jammys: because the user "user" still appear on the cat /etc/passwd |
| 05:23.36 | jair | file |
| 05:23.39 | xk | thats generated when you install the package |
| 05:24.02 | jair | prince_jammys: and group "user" is still there as well |
| 05:24.03 | prince_jammys | jair: you can use deluser to remove a user |
| 05:24.27 | nz17 | But I'm reinstalling the packages and nothing is being generated. |
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| 05:24.42 | nz17 | Even when I reinstall the files in /etc aren't placed there. |
| 05:24.43 | prince_jammys | jair: see 'man deluser' for details about what you'd like to remove. |
| 05:24.46 | xk | reinstall != remove and install. |
| 05:25.34 | nz17 | So how do I remove and install without causing all the dependents to be removed? |
| 05:25.51 | xk | --force-depends? |
| 05:26.08 | nz17 | I'll give it a go. |
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| 05:26.29 | xk | or |
| 05:26.34 | xk | dpkg --force-confmiss may work |
| 05:26.34 | dpkg | xk: wish i knew |
| 05:27.33 | f3xy | did you try dpkg-reconfigure first? |
| 05:28.32 | nz17 | I'll try that first. |
| 05:28.53 | xk | skipping a major release is never a good idea |
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| 05:46.19 | nz17 | I got disconnected 15 minutes ago. Sorry to anyone who wrote. |
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| 05:57.17 | nz17 | Found solution: looks like aptitude didn't pull down mysql-server or mysql-server-5.1, even though mysql-server-core-5.1 was installed. |
| 05:57.28 | nz17 | shrugs. |
| 05:57.30 | nz17 | Strange. |
| 05:58.36 | xk | heh |
| 05:58.47 | xk | aptitude is supposed to fix strange problems apt-get cant handle |
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| 06:01.35 | xk | flash <3 |
| 06:01.44 | xk | pile of turd |
| 06:02.16 | xk | firefox doesnt even remember my last opened tabs |
| 06:02.18 | xk | heh. |
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| 06:02.39 | xk | gotta love the hdd thrasing of sqlite when it starts up again |
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| 06:07.20 | Lns | xk - then use epiphany ;) |
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| 06:39.13 | owen1 | i just installed debian. i am logged in as a regular user. how do i install sudo? login as root and use apt-get? |
| 06:39.47 | owen1 | another question. what is the first thing i should do on a fresh squeeze? |
| 06:40.33 | Tiffy | Do you need sudo? |
| 06:40.43 | Tiffy | su - |
| 06:40.56 | owen1 | Tiffy: not sure. |
| 06:40.58 | epsilon | owen1: are you working with ubuntu usually? |
| 06:41.28 | owen1 | epsilon: i used to ubuntu. trying debian now. |
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| 06:41.59 | epsilon | just become root with su and work as it |
| 06:42.02 | peterrooney | owen1: aptitude install tasksel ; tasksel; aptitude # |
| 06:42.03 | owen1 | suhttp://wiki.debian.org/sudo |
| 06:42.10 | owen1 | http://wiki.debian.org/sudo |
| 06:42.38 | owen1 | the debian wiki mention sudo as a better approach |
| 06:42.52 | owen1 | peterrooney: let me google for this before installing it |
| 06:43.00 | epsilon | is it your first linux or debian install? |
| 06:43.17 | owen1 | epsilon: first debian. i used to ubuntu |
| 06:43.28 | epsilon | ok... so frst time using Linux |
| 06:43.51 | owen1 | (- |
| 06:44.26 | mr0wl | Can I choose Sid during installation? |
| 06:44.31 | epsilon | what to do as first depends what your debian supposed to do (server, desktop...) |
| 06:45.20 | owen1 | epsilon: desktop. i guess i need xorg and awesomeWM |
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| 06:46.39 | Tiffy | mr0wl: no. |
| 06:47.01 | epsilon | did you tell to install dektop during install / do you already have X (grafical interface) running? |
| 06:47.16 | mr0wl | so Squeeze first then I have to upgrade? |
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| 06:47.26 | Tiffy | mr0wl: yes. |
| 06:47.37 | owen1 | epsilon: no. i only installed ssh and the last one - essentials |
| 06:47.52 | epsilon | owen1: tasksel |
| 06:47.55 | mr0wl | What about the Debian CUT I've been hearing about? |
| 06:47.59 | owen1 | epsilon: googling for it |
| 06:48.10 | Tiffy | mr0wl: i don't recommend using sid if you're a user, but your choice. |
| 06:48.17 | epsilon | owen1: no just run as root: tasksel |
| 06:48.21 | amd64 | SOS guys - can only boot squeeze from the installation media (usb) |
| 06:48.58 | mr0wl | I'm ok with it, I've used it before |
| 06:49.25 | epsilon | amd64: and where is the problem? |
| 06:49.28 | mr0wl | Thanks, Tiffy |
| 06:49.59 | amd64 | epsilon: installation completed succesfully, but i can only boot it if the usb is inserted |
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| 06:51.11 | owen1 | epsilon: i don't see awesomeWM + xorg here - http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel i don't want gnome/xfce. only awesomeWM |
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| 06:52.10 | owen1 | epsilon: i guess the laptop option is nice for laptops, but mine is a desktop |
| 06:52.19 | amd64 | epsilon: it's like the hard drive wasn't made "bootable" |
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| 06:53.22 | peterrooney | owen1: aptitude install awesome # should be sufficient |
| 06:53.30 | Tiffy | amd64: did you install GRUB/LILO or whatever to your HDD? |
| 06:53.52 | amd64 | i believe i did but it might got installed on the usb instead.. |
| 06:54.14 | Tiffy | amd64: just boot into your system and re-run the grub installer for the device you want it on then |
| 06:54.24 | Tiffy | amd64: grub-install /dev/sda1 |
| 06:54.26 | Tiffy | or whatever |
| 06:54.32 | owen1 | peterrooney: done. but it didn't suggested xorg. don't i need it as well? |
| 06:56.00 | amd64 | tiffy: sounds like what i need, just not sure what /dev/sda my hard drive is on :( |
| 06:56.09 | peterrooney | I don't know how minimalist awsomeWM is, so I couldn't say for sure... |
| 06:56.39 | peterrooney | owen1: to be sure, 'aptitude install xserver-xorg' should suffice |
| 06:56.55 | owen1 | peterrooney: i want to be able to watch videos and run a browser so i need xorg. thanks! |
| 06:57.11 | Tiffy | amd64: I believe if you leave that off, it will default to your root HDD. |
| 06:57.27 | peterrooney | !get xorg |
| 06:57.27 | dpkg | To install X in Debian Lenny and later releases: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To configure your X server, ask me about <xorg config>. |
| 06:58.07 | Tiffy | amd64: you can find out by checking /etc/fstab, using the mount command or any number of other means to see which device is your root drive tho. |
| 06:59.07 | amd64 | Tiffy - thanks, actually "df -h" lists is nicely with sizes. it's /dev/sda1 but i'm still looking for "grub-install" package (doesn't exist) |
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| 07:00.37 | Tiffy | amd64: install grub2 package (or the legacy one if you prefer) |
| 07:00.59 | owen1 | so u guys recommend me to use su - instead of sudo? |
| 07:01.30 | Tiffy | owen1: generally, I personally would, yes. |
| 07:02.07 | owen1 | it's kind of annyoing to type the password all the time with sudo. |
| 07:02.44 | nevyn | owen1: reconfigure sudo to not need your password... |
| 07:02.50 | nevyn | it's possible. |
| 07:02.51 | Tiffy | no do NOT do that |
| 07:03.01 | Tiffy | such stupid advice |
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| 07:03.21 | Tiffy | sudo and su are there for a reason. don't circumvent your own system's security. |
| 07:03.31 | nevyn | Tiffy: systems are there to be used. |
| 07:03.37 | Tiffy | ...securely. |
| 07:03.44 | Tiffy | Do not give bad advice to users. |
| 07:03.49 | nevyn | so for common things that you need sudo to do that are safe. |
| 07:04.05 | nevyn | it's a perfectly fine thing to reconfigure sudo to allow those things without sudo authentication |
| 07:04.23 | nevyn | so like dmidecode and netstat |
| 07:04.49 | amd64 | Tiffy: grub-install yields: "attempting to install GRUB to a partition instaed of the MBR. This is a BAD idea.." |
| 07:05.10 | Tiffy | amd64: leave off the numeric. |
| 07:05.29 | Tiffy | don't install to a partition, install to the MBR if that is what's desired |
| 07:05.41 | nevyn | Tiffy: security is relative. what's the threat what's the mitigation what are you trying to achieve. |
| 07:05.48 | nevyn | security is NOT an absolute. |
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| 07:06.13 | amd64 | Tiffy: you have solved it!! can't thank you much senior |
| 07:06.34 | Tiffy | nevyn: I'd agree in some cases but you're also backtracking on what you advised preciously, which was to prevent a password being required for any root function. This is simply not desirable advise. |
| 07:06.39 | Tiffy | amd64: you're welcome. |
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| 07:06.47 | nevyn | Tiffy: that's not what I said. |
| 07:06.50 | amd64 | off and away |
| 07:07.10 | Tiffy | nevyn: <nevyn> owen1: reconfigure sudo to not need your password.. |
| 07:07.14 | nevyn | right. |
| 07:07.16 | Tiffy | nevyn: how it looked to me. |
| 07:07.26 | nevyn | who said sudo allowed all root functions. |
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| 07:08.09 | Tiffy | nevyn: If that isn't what you meant, it's very easy to misinterpret it as what I did I'm sure you'd agree. |
| 07:08.29 | nevyn | that's true. |
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| 07:17.30 | dpkg | no worries, xk |
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| 07:23.36 | brownies | how can i verify that my cronjobs are running as they should be? |
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| 07:24.07 | brownies | i've run the scripts from the command line and confirmed that they are error-free, but i'm suspicious that cron might not be running them |
| 07:24.13 | xk | hmm |
| 07:24.18 | xk | how did you add it to cron? |
| 07:24.24 | xk | how did you run the script? |
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| 07:25.32 | DScript | W$ |
| 07:25.48 | brownies | xk: i used crontab -e and set up some entries |
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| 07:26.05 | xk | check /var/log/auth.log to see if it ran |
| 07:26.10 | brownies | xk: as for running the script, i just navigated to the folder and ran ./myscript.sh and confirmed that it spit out what it was supposed to |
| 07:26.13 | brownies | ok, checking. |
| 07:27.42 | brownies | btw, having "*/5" in the first column means "run every 5 minutes" right? |
| 07:27.47 | xk | yes |
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| 07:29.37 | brownies | ok, i have confirmed that there are the correct # of entries at the right times |
| 07:29.52 | brownies | although the auth.log does not list which script is being run, that seems like a reasonable confirmation that everything is running as intended |
| 07:29.54 | xk | ok, you ran the script as ./blah |
| 07:30.01 | owen1 | i installed xorg. how do i start it? |
| 07:30.04 | xk | but... what if you used the absolute path? |
| 07:30.12 | xk | from a different directory |
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| 07:30.25 | brownies | good point. let me sanity-check that... |
| 07:30.34 | brownies | btw, is there an error log somewhere for these cron scripts? |
| 07:30.38 | Tiffy | brownies: its worth noting that any output from the script will be mailed to user@localhost, could be worth putting some debug output in your script and observing the mails if you want a crude way of testing. |
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| 07:30.47 | xk | it will be emailed to the user |
| 07:30.56 | superlinux | hi. I am in need of a youtube uploader. has to be standalone application. has to upload many videos in parallel. and has to resume the upload. what would you recommend me? |
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| 07:31.12 | brownies | ok, so the scripts do output stuff, but uh... (sorry for my noobness) i haven't done any setting up of mail. is there some default setup i can access? |
| 07:31.19 | superlinux | or advise me to use |
| 07:31.24 | xk | ls -la /var/spool/mail/$USER |
| 07:31.43 | Tiffy | or use mutt.. w/e |
| 07:31.50 | brownies | O.O the folder for the user does not exist! |
| 07:31.58 | brownies | the whole /var/spool/mail directory is empty actually |
| 07:33.34 | Tiffy | debian uses /var/mail |
| 07:33.54 | brownies | also empty. |
| 07:34.09 | xk | hmm |
| 07:34.15 | brownies | i used a non-standard path for the home folder (specifically /opt/$USER) |
| 07:34.21 | brownies | don't know if that matters...? |
| 07:34.27 | xk | how does cron know to reload config? |
| 07:34.39 | xk | meliowant: what's the difference of editting the cron file directly, vs crontab -e |
| 07:34.41 | xk | er |
| 07:34.50 | xk | unless crontab is +s, then a -HUP is done? |
| 07:35.31 | owen1 | how to start x? |
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| 07:37.05 | omes- | owen1: startx |
| 07:37.37 | omes- | who said linux isn't user friendly with intuitive command names like that? ;P |
| 07:37.40 | owen1 | omes-: do i need to install this package? startx? |
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| 07:38.05 | owen1 | (i get command not found) |
| 07:38.14 | omes- | owen1: install xinit |
| 07:38.16 | brownies | actually, this is part of a larger issue for me -- i am going to need this server to send email. maybe there is some easy way to tackle both of these things? |
| 07:38.26 | xk | apt-get install postfix |
| 07:38.41 | omes- | xk++ |
| 07:38.51 | brownies | heh ok. that sounds pretty idiot-proof. |
| 07:38.56 | owen1 | xk: i think he will also need bsd-mail, no? |
| 07:39.18 | xk | no? |
| 07:39.21 | xk | and apt-get install mutt ;) |
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| 07:39.31 | omes- | xk: lol :P |
| 07:40.12 | omes- | i remember the pine mutt emacs flame wars :P |
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| 07:40.37 | xk | elm |
| 07:41.02 | brownies | is not cool enough to get the mutt joke... yet. |
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| 07:41.36 | omes- | xk: with puchcard support? |
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| 07:44.03 | casts | uses mutt |
| 07:44.52 | omes- | cahoot: actually i used to use it too |
| 07:45.01 | omes- | s/cahoot/casts/ |
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| 07:45.25 | omes- | never used elm or emacs though |
| 07:45.26 | mohamed-ragab | Hi all, I have an error in apache.log "[notice] child pid 2225 exit signal Segmentation fault (11)" , what can do to resolve this problem ? |
| 07:45.38 | omes- | only occationally used emacs in doctor mode when feeling blue ;P |
| 07:47.02 | omes- | mohamed-ragab: unfortunately that's not a very helpful error message :( |
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| 07:47.50 | omes- | mohamed-ragab: did you compile any of the software yourself? and are you using apache with any mods? |
| 07:48.10 | mohamed-ragab | omes, NO |
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| 07:49.28 | sNob-BaCkBoNe-Ip | __________ |
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| 07:49.37 | omes- | mohamed-ragab: can you post some more of the error log please? |
| 07:49.47 | mtx_init | Lets say I have a debian 6 install with gnome. I want to uninstall epiphany or evolution, why is basically everything set to be removed when I remove these two? |
| 07:50.00 | sNob-BaCkBoNe-Ip | da um chupao na galley |
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| 07:50.36 | omes- | sNob-BaCkBoNe-Ip: Speak in English please. |
| 07:50.51 | casts | its worth becoming familar with vim & emacs, |
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| 07:51.15 | omes- | casts: I'm a vim fanatic, I don't really see the usefulness of emacs |
| 07:51.16 | sNob-BaCkBoNe-Ip | Vamos dizer que eu tenho uma instalação 6 debian com o gnome. Quero desinstalar epifania ou evolução, porque é basicamente tudo definido para ser removido quando eu remover esses dois? |
| 07:51.21 | sNob-BaCkBoNe-Ip | vem de presa |
| 07:51.23 | sNob-BaCkBoNe-Ip | sem fim |
| 07:51.33 | sNob-BaCkBoNe-Ip | que eu quero sentir seu corpo |
| 07:51.42 | sNob-BaCkBoNe-Ip | me beija e me faz esqueçer |
| 07:51.49 | casts | omes-: and some people are vis versa, one has to know both to make an educated choice |
| 07:52.05 | mohamed-ragab | omes, http://pastebin.com/hN638diY |
| 07:52.16 | sNob-BaCkBoNe-Ip | mais tanto faz |
| 07:52.19 | sNob-BaCkBoNe-Ip | pq |
| 07:52.32 | sNob-BaCkBoNe-Ip | o teu desejo e meu melhor prazer |
| 07:52.43 | holoseen | I am getting a dropped ethernet conn frequently on squeeze. here are the details http://pastebin.com/LAZ0DSUr no ssh connections involved. google is unhelpful. hints anyone? |
| 07:52.44 | sNob-BaCkBoNe-Ip | a minha estrata corre por seu mar |
| 07:52.50 | omes- | casts: well I don't know... The way emacs works just doesn't do it for me.. I mean, I've tried to use it, I just constantly fall back to vim. I don't care if others like it though :) |
| 07:53.43 | omes- | mohamed-ragab: try restarting Apache, see if that helps. if not you might have to get dirty and do some debugging |
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| 07:54.27 | omes- | mohamed-ragab: also server reached MaxClients setting, consider raising the MaxClients setting should give you a hint about some obvious optimizations you need to do to your configuration ;) |
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| 07:57.13 | mohamed-ragab | omes, i change MaxClients to 150 now , and already restart apache but after 1 &2 day apache get error "[Sat Mar 19 01:24:49 2011] [notice] child pid 2130 exit signal Segmentation fault (11)" |
| 08:01.11 | Delf | How do I auto-mount hard disks when Debian is loading, booting up? |
| 08:01.15 | sNob-BaCkBoNe-Ip | oi |
| 08:04.47 | owen1 | is there a terminal that comes with debian squeeze? |
| 08:05.07 | owen1 | (i am installing xterm now, but curious if there is anything defaulty) |
| 08:05.26 | omes- | Delf: man fstab |
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| 08:05.59 | omes- | owen1: hehe... the short answer is yes :P |
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| 08:06.42 | holoseen | gnome-terminal |
| 08:06.53 | holoseen | on gnome of course |
| 08:07.09 | owen1 | don't scare me... |
| 08:07.18 | owen1 | i am xubuntu refugee |
| 08:07.35 | holoseen | Debian welcomes you |
| 08:08.26 | owen1 | so far i like. but it's in a vm. is there a way to tell if my desktop will be ok with debian? (ok = running video/audio) |
| 08:08.50 | Delf | Thanks omes- |
| 08:08.54 | holoseen | i would think that if the vid is ok in the vm then it should be ok |
| 08:08.59 | omes- | Delf: you're welcome |
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| 08:09.48 | holoseen | owen1, is this a laptop? |
| 08:09.56 | owen1 | holoseen: no. desktop |
| 08:10.05 | owen1 | GeForce 6200 |
| 08:10.37 | holoseen | video is not my forte but I would think it should be ok. |
| 08:11.19 | holoseen | laptops can be problematic in a number of ways. |
| 08:12.23 | WillWork4Foo | holoseen: ne'er a truer word spoken re laptops. |
| 08:13.02 | holoseen | WillWork4Foo, yep. wireless has been fun. |
| 08:13.19 | WillWork4Foo | holoseen: what does lspci say about the thing |
| 08:13.23 | WillWork4Foo | what is it |
| 08:13.51 | holoseen | WillWork4Foo, no issue anymore. thanks. |
| 08:14.01 | WillWork4Foo | holoseen: ah fair enough. |
| 08:14.13 | holoseen | But if I recall. it was a broadcom b4312 |
| 08:14.26 | holoseen | i am on my desktop now |
| 08:14.41 | WillWork4Foo | holoseen: I have a broadcom chipset running in my netbook - that was more fun than it should have been to make work |
| 08:15.13 | WillWork4Foo | although I'm running Fedora 15 alpha (Rawhide) on the netbook. My debian box is my teeny tiny atom-based Foxconn computer |
| 08:15.14 | owen1 | the macbookpro i got from work still don't have wireless, using xubuntu. it's also broadcom. |
| 08:15.17 | holoseen | WillWork4Foo, us debian users like challenges |
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| 08:15.39 | WillWork4Foo | holoseen: yarp. I need to get afp working properly on my debian box sometime soon so that I can back up my mac to it over wifi |
| 08:16.02 | WillWork4Foo | I've tried a few howtos, none of them seem to result in a flawless solution :) |
| 08:16.23 | holoseen | yes, very flawless... NOT |
| 08:17.02 | holoseen | owen1, mac, huh. never done that. |
| 08:17.31 | holoseen | owen1, what was your reason for the mac to begin with. |
| 08:18.04 | WillWork4Foo | I am kinda hoping that debian will add gnome 3 as a desktop sometime soon... anyone know if that's on the cards? |
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| 08:18.49 | holoseen | what is testing or sid at for gnome I wonder?? |
| 08:18.58 | WillWork4Foo | I know it's in unstable already |
| 08:19.10 | owen1 | holoseen: got it from work.. |
| 08:19.26 | WillWork4Foo | so I'm hoping it'll make a stable release sometime. owen1 - that's where I got my mac from too! |
| 08:19.31 | holoseen | owen1, better take it back before you get caught :-) |
| 08:19.57 | WillWork4Foo | although I've since changed roles, and my new role would suit a linux box a lot better. I am seriously considering moving over to a linux distro of some sort for it. |
| 08:20.09 | maligor | WillWork4Foo, http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html |
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| 08:21.08 | WillWork4Foo | maligor: an incredibly useful page, thanks!!!!!! I shall check back on that one. |
| 08:21.52 | owen1 | so if i have a desktop, and thinking of using a wireless adapter in the future, i should better stick to ubuntu? |
| 08:22.23 | holoseen | I tried kde on aptosid and have been very impressed with kde. I've been with gnome for a long time. |
| 08:23.32 | WillWork4Foo | holoseen: have you seen gnome 3? |
| 08:23.35 | WillWork4Foo | it's gorgeous. |
| 08:23.51 | holoseen | how did you see gnome 3? |
| 08:24.07 | WillWork4Foo | holoseen: I'm running Fedora 15 alpha on my netbook |
| 08:24.15 | WillWork4Foo | it comes with gnome 3 as it's desktop |
| 08:24.39 | WillWork4Foo | although because it's alpha, functionality sorta changes with every update - which is fun! |
| 08:24.53 | holoseen | I will check it out. |
| 08:24.56 | holoseen | thanks |
| 08:25.48 | WillWork4Foo | holoseen: it's really very pretty, but a fairly tangential direction for gnome to go in. |
| 08:26.15 | holoseen | WillWork4Foo, well, sometimes change is good. |
| 08:26.28 | WillWork4Foo | holoseen: I'm enjoying it a lot. Apparently, you can run gnome 3 in debian-unstable |
| 08:26.47 | WillWork4Foo | so sayeth the google. |
| 08:26.50 | ompaul | would you want to run a gnome when it ain't ready |
| 08:26.56 | WillWork4Foo | ompaul: just for giggles. |
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| 08:27.12 | ompaul | only if you were devving it expect things to break otherwise |
| 08:27.15 | geekie | I would wait until it's ready, so that the gnome doesn't play any trix ;) |
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| 08:27.30 | WillWork4Foo | ompaul: I'm not usually one for bleeding-edge stuff - but I had a go on it on a mate's computer, and it's really slick |
| 08:27.38 | maligor | I'm sure someone will eventually run the entire gnome3 in a webbrowser |
| 08:27.41 | WillWork4Foo | geekie: it's not running on an "important" computer |
| 08:27.51 | WillWork4Foo | maligor: probably |
| 08:27.56 | ompaul | the only people who should run that stuff are those who know how to get out of jail if something goes pear shaped not really for new users |
| 08:28.08 | WillWork4Foo | ompaul: I'm not a new user. |
| 08:28.21 | geekie | welll if it's not on an important computer it doesn't hurt to feed the curiosity :p |
| 08:28.23 | ompaul | WillWork4Foo: getting you to say that was a good thing (tm) |
| 08:28.29 | WillWork4Foo | :) |
| 08:28.56 | maligor | yes, using unstable means you get to keep both pieces, and experimental means you get a lot of pieces that don't even fit |
| 08:28.56 | WillWork4Foo | geekie: yep :) it's my "I wonder if this works?" computer. |
| 08:28.57 | ompaul | if you are going to play on the bleeding edge carry a pack of plasters as you only have yourself to blame etc etc etc ;-) |
| 08:29.16 | ompaul | maligor: ergo I am on kde sid ;-) |
| 08:29.24 | WillWork4Foo | maligor: yeah, experimental is kinda just like that. it might work, or it might blow your leg off. |
| 08:29.49 | geekie | wont try experimental :( |
| 08:29.52 | geekie | likes her legs |
| 08:29.57 | holoseen | Sid is as experimental as I have gone. |
| 08:30.06 | watsson | sNob-BaCkBoNe-Ip: /quit |
| 08:31.14 | WillWork4Foo | right - breakfast is calling. mmmmmm, toast. |
| 08:31.20 | WillWork4Foo | baxoon |
| 08:31.24 | holoseen | I have like 10 logical partitions on my laptop so I can try a lot. |
| 08:32.09 | holoseen | clonezilla has been helpful to recover from problems also. |
| 08:33.10 | holoseen | I hear that fedora or redhat is the major contributor to the kernel. is that right? |
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| 08:33.30 | nevyn | holoseen: yes. |
| 08:33.35 | cahoot | s/the/a/ |
| 08:34.00 | nevyn | redhat the company is usually in the top 3 contributors to the kernel for any particular diff. |
| 08:34.11 | holoseen | who are the top three then? |
| 08:34.21 | holoseen | ubuntu I am sure is one... |
| 08:34.26 | holoseen | lol |
| 08:35.00 | holoseen | redhat debian and suse? |
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| 08:37.40 | nevyn | holoseen: redhat oracle and ibm... |
| 08:37.51 | cahoot | http://www.linuxfoundation.org/docs/lf_linux_kernel_development_2010.pdf |
| 08:38.15 | Sauvin | That's always confused me - IBM already has AIX, why does it need to be tinkering with linux? |
| 08:39.42 | holoseen | nevyn, I thought you were joking at first. good article. |
| 08:40.16 | nevyn | doesn't joke about the kernel.. well not since the 100megtent t-shirts.. |
| 08:40.52 | holoseen | Sauvin, someone I know from ibm says that they merely have customers who use linux, so they work on it. |
| 08:41.09 | nevyn | holoseen: life's a bit more complicated that that. |
| 08:41.30 | holoseen | nevyn, well, that is what he said. |
| 08:41.52 | holoseen | nevyn, he's a corp strategy scientist guy. |
| 08:42.05 | nevyn | holoseen: IBM is a big company. keeping a finger in a lot of different pies. |
| 08:42.23 | holoseen | hedging bets. |
| 08:43.01 | nevyn | AIX is moving towards Linux functionality because AIX was sleeping at the wheel for a while and didn't see commodified unix as linux |
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| 08:43.41 | holoseen | nevyn, like a compatibility layer in aix for linux? |
| 08:43.42 | nevyn | and linux is gaining features that have been in AIX for ages (clustering, multipath and disk management capabilities.) |
| 08:44.15 | casts | ....wait what? |
| 08:45.02 | nevyn | ok. it has had those for some time at this point. |
| 08:45.54 | xingu | think about the question differently; it gets tricky to run aix on dell hardware |
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| 08:46.32 | holoseen | xingu, is it even possible? |
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| 08:46.45 | casts | at any rate, who cares, unless AIX is relicenced under the GPL/BSD/etc.. |
| 08:46.47 | nevyn | nope. |
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| 08:47.04 | casts | it is of no interest to us |
| 08:47.08 | nevyn | sure. |
| 08:47.16 | xingu | or to put it another way, ibm needs its customers, but ibm's customers don't need ibm. |
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| 08:48.25 | holoseen | at a recent engagement, i worked with IBM from a remote location. it was not a good experience. |
| 08:49.04 | holoseen | it was SAP related. |
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| 08:51.35 | holoseen | it seems to be that with processors like xeon, that aix might run well on less than a mainframe. |
| 08:51.58 | holoseen | not that the linux community would care... |
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| 08:53.13 | holoseen | anyone think that the kfreebsd project is a waste of debian resources? |
| 08:53.16 | xingu | holoseen: the modern mainframe *is* a numa monster running linux... |
| 08:54.00 | holoseen | xingu, i will read up on that. thanks. |
| 08:54.16 | xingu | holoseen: sgi altix uv for example |
| 08:54.29 | xk | SGI still exists? or was reborn? |
| 08:54.29 | holoseen | sgi still exists? |
| 08:54.42 | xingu | never went away. :) |
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| 08:55.10 | mutante | got a repository that i can install gtk1.2 from ? |
| 08:55.23 | xingu | http://www.sgi.com/company_info/newsroom/press_releases/2011/index.html |
| 08:55.28 | xk | well |
| 08:55.33 | xk | rackable owns them now? |
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| 08:56.46 | nevyn | yep. |
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| 08:57.30 | casts | kfreebsd seems an important step in progress to me |
| 08:58.13 | nevyn | sadly I think the bsd's are irrelevant. |
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| 08:59.03 | Sauvin | casts, how so? nevyn, why? |
| 08:59.04 | xk | just like proprietary unix? |
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| 09:00.05 | holoseen | as much as I hope a project like freebsd becomes more successful, I wonder if it will happen |
| 09:00.53 | Sauvin | Depends on what you see as advantages to using a bsd kernel rather than a linux one. |
| 09:01.20 | nevyn | xk: yeah. |
| 09:01.32 | nevyn | I just don't think that they can keep up. |
| 09:01.40 | casts | Sauvin: more choice is better, one of the things i wouldn't use linux for is a shell server, i'd likely pick a bsd |
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| 09:01.59 | nevyn | casts: no... |
| 09:02.12 | xk | so freebsd supports zfs... but has no clustering fs? |
| 09:02.20 | casts | nevyn: yes.... |
| 09:02.23 | nevyn | linux as a shell server is so much more functional and easy to use. |
| 09:02.26 | Sauvin | I'm no expert in these matters, but I've been told in more than one quarter that linux HAS caught up to bsd where security is concerned. |
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| 09:02.44 | xk | wonder whath appened to the interesting filesystem... was it dragonfly? or something like that |
| 09:02.55 | nevyn | Sauvin: depends which bsd. |
| 09:03.10 | casts | nevyn: easy to use? whats the difference? its a kernel |
| 09:03.11 | xk | ahh.. HAMMER fs |
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| 09:03.34 | nevyn | casts: bsd userland is aweful. |
| 09:03.36 | holoseen | the bsd crowd makes no bones about bashing the linux kernel and userland |
| 09:03.55 | casts | nevyn: yay for the debian userland :) |
| 09:04.01 | Sauvin | I had little trouble with freebsd's userland when I still ran it. |
| 09:04.26 | holoseen | nevyn, bsd hates gnu. for the license and the poor code quality, they say. |
| 09:05.01 | casts | some people find various BSDs easier to use than gnu/linux |
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| 09:05.24 | casts | pf is certainly much nicer than iptables to write rules for, openbsd makes documentation a priority |
| 09:05.47 | holoseen | and that openbsd guy is so friendly |
| 09:05.59 | nevyn | it's less powerful than iptables imho |
| 09:07.06 | penos | hi guys |
| 09:07.11 | penos | hows it goin |
| 09:07.23 | xk | hmm |
| 09:07.23 | holoseen | did that openbsd planted exploit ever mean openbsd was "had"? |
| 09:07.27 | casts | either is more than powerful enough for me....which brings me to my original comment re kfreebsd, choice is good. |
| 09:07.45 | xk | *dislikes iptables* |
| 09:07.52 | nevyn | likes iptables |
| 09:08.17 | xk | heh |
| 09:08.28 | xk | I wonder who ahs managed to setup L2TP/IPSec manually :) |
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| 09:09.20 | nevyn | I should strace pulseaudio. whenever I remove my usb soundcard it goes 100% cpu on one of my two cores. |
| 09:09.37 | xk | vyatta ftw |
| 09:09.45 | xk | I never want to touch iptables directly again |
| 09:09.56 | penos | why not? |
| 09:10.12 | xk | because the interface is horrible? |
| 09:10.17 | nevyn | huh? |
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| 09:11.32 | xk | it was designed by an aussie... what do you expect ;) |
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| 09:11.57 | nevyn | likes paul ;) |
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| 09:15.23 | penos | what games do you play on devian? |
| 09:15.33 | nevyn | xk: and.. AY! |
| 09:16.08 | mutante | penos: armagetron / armagetronad |
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| 09:17.09 | xk | hmm.. piece of shit lenovo netbook |
| 09:17.15 | xk | doesn't wake up from sleep half the time |
| 09:17.38 | mutante | ACPI in general ...yes... sigh |
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| 09:18.16 | penos | xk, maybe you need to run windows 7 |
| 09:18.29 | xk | heh. yeah... that runs on it... maybe I should |
| 09:18.33 | xk | and just ditch windows xp home |
| 09:18.39 | xk | which is beyond broken. |
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| 09:19.51 | Psi-Jack | Heh. penos trolls here now, eh? |
| 09:21.28 | Leoneof | run Windows 3.1 |
| 09:23.05 | cheasee | ive got a problem with anacron it seems.. running sqeeze on an acer netbook, not sure how i should debug that, in syslog the interesting lines are http://pastebin.com/iNckw33j - seems anacron runs something that lets my netbook restart |
| 09:24.00 | cheasee | where could i get more information why this is happening? pity i run my netbook 24/7 and the fault occurs while im sleeping |
| 09:25.32 | simonrvn | cheasee: um, anancron is a cron that runs various jobs on wake up, etc. that's normal. apt-cache show anacron |
| 09:27.41 | cheasee | simonrvn, on wake up? i dont put it into sleep mode, i just let the screensaver run.. and some days ago it was the usual thing when i woke up, i just logged in, screensaver disappeared and i worked on |
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| 09:28.44 | cheasee | but since anacron seems to reboot, i wake up and see the login greeter |
| 09:29.01 | cheasee | and i have to login, start all my stuff again what i was running |
| 09:29.44 | cheasee | first i thought maybe overheating, but then again, ive got uptime stats recorded where i was running like a month without reboot |
| 09:31.42 | zophy | are there any IRC networks that require a paid membership ? |
| 09:32.14 | cheasee | zophy, why would you want that? |
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| 09:32.46 | AthomIk | hello |
| 09:33.00 | zophy | vale ! |
| 09:33.12 | penos | hello AthomIk |
| 09:34.54 | AthomIk | i test my new vm for irssi in ramdisk :D |
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| 09:36.10 | simonrvn | cheasee: it wouldn't reboot the box, unless you have some really odd non-debian cronjob running in cron.daily . something else is. |
| 09:36.53 | mutante | zophy: never heard of any, but i guess if they exist they are also very non-public and not advertised |
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| 09:44.51 | albech_ | can anyone tell me if emdebian grip is based on uclibc or glibc? |
| 09:45.36 | cheasee | simonrvn, see http://pastebin.com/Pcswbw3U right, if i would run something odd in cron.daily i would have a look at it, but there is nothing specific, debian squeeze defaults.. (added in the paste) |
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| 09:47.28 | cheasee | albech, have a look at the source? or see depends of that package |
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| 09:51.38 | cheasee | cant i tell anacron somehow to log or to print verbose output? the manpage doesnt state something similar |
| 09:53.22 | cheasee | i guess some job in cron.daily fails or does something to reboot my netbook .. so purging anacron wouldnt help me heh |
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| 10:03.49 | doublehp_ | !help |
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| 10:06.23 | HackeMate | hi, i have a gps bluetooth for mountain bike, it has a software for windows that download the tracker and show statistics of the way i ran |
| 10:06.28 | HackeMate | is there something similar for linux? |
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| 10:06.41 | doublehp_ | after installing firmware-linux-nonfree can i just restart X or do i need to reboot ? |
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| 10:07.04 | doublehp_ | HackeMate: depends on device |
| 10:08.00 | doublehp_ | HackeMate: with my phone, no soft required for any OS: Gmap cmopliant, using public Google API ... i read the maps over maps.google.com ... |
| 10:08.45 | HackeMate | http://www.blauden.com/files/BTQ2000.jpg |
| 10:08.57 | HackeMate | oh? |
| 10:09.14 | HackeMate | well, with the iphone i also have some issues, but i can handle them |
| 10:09.16 | doublehp_ | HackeMate: next time, buy free hardware |
| 10:09.20 | doublehp_ | like HTC |
| 10:09.30 | HackeMate | the gps bluetooth was a gift |
| 10:09.36 | doublehp_ | give it back |
| 10:09.38 | HackeMate | the iphone is for use as a phone, not as gps |
| 10:09.45 | HackeMate | its pretty good, ow |
| 10:09.54 | doublehp_ | iphone is for trash |
| 10:10.01 | HackeMate | i dont want give it back, im just wondering if there is an easier thing than run virtualbox |
| 10:10.11 | HackeMate | talking about the qstartz |
| 10:10.24 | doublehp_ | have to jailbreak it to be able to use Logitecj BT keyboards => trash |
| 10:10.41 | HackeMate | personally i dont want use a keyboard in a phone o_o |
| 10:10.50 | HackeMate | for that i prefer use openssh and run a console, heh |
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| 10:11.07 | HackeMate | or even veency and use as vnc server |
| 10:11.11 | HackeMate | anyway, thats another thing |
| 10:11.17 | HackeMate | i wanted a soft for this gps device |
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| 10:11.30 | doublehp_ | HackeMate: try wine, try qemu (or Xen if you can), or for some device, there are linux native apps; depends on device. And some device just don't need any software at all. |
| 10:11.59 | HackeMate | wine works but when i want empty the gps memory it breaks |
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| 10:12.09 | doublehp_ | HackeMate: good GPS use serial port (yes, even over BT); either it's serial and you can use any GPS soft, or it is not serial, and you can throught it. |
| 10:12.56 | HackeMate | well ill try via usb, i didnt tried that |
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| 10:14.09 | pablo | hi, is there a way to have physical security (avoid easily boot from a live cd and do chroot) |
| 10:14.19 | casts | yes. |
| 10:14.32 | pablo | casts: which one? |
| 10:14.49 | casts | is english your first language |
| 10:15.51 | pablo | casts: why? |
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| 10:20.04 | casts | your initial silly question was followed up by one that didn't make sense |
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| 10:22.04 | cahoot | disable boot from cd? pw lock the biosaccess? |
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| 10:22.44 | casts | you're just slowing them down |
| 10:23.01 | casts | by a period of minutes, seems hardly worth trying |
| 10:23.04 | Zao | pablo: Glue optical drive shut. Disable with a screwdriver. Lock your datacenter. |
| 10:23.16 | nevyn | consult a locksmith? |
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| 10:23.33 | casts | he has to identify what he's worried about |
| 10:23.53 | Zao | Physical security is solved by having physical security. |
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| 10:24.23 | casts | is it data theft? is it data modification? or is it nothing to do with data and all to do with having a nice computer that would sell for plenty of money |
| 10:24.29 | Zao | You might get some alternate boot protection if you've got decent full system encryption, like truecrypt or so. |
| 10:24.40 | cheasee | please join #truecrypt for truecrypt related questions :) |
| 10:24.53 | casts | we do dmcrypt, instead of truecrypt ;P |
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| 10:25.06 | nevyn | dmcrypt is awesome |
| 10:25.14 | nevyn | is using it on his laptop |
| 10:25.16 | Zao | casts: I don't know what Debian is capable of. I know what TC is capable of. |
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| 10:26.05 | Zao | I could go "you could use whatever encryption debian supports if it supports passphrase/token-at-boot style auth", but that wouldn't help much. |
| 10:26.05 | casts | we're in #debian, let us talk about that! debian is capable of encryption of /, provided you have a seperate /boot |
| 10:26.32 | casts | now personally i don't compile secrets into my kernel, so that's not much of a problem |
| 10:26.45 | Zao | casts: What about replacing the kernel with something malicious? |
| 10:27.12 | casts | Zao: sure. truecrypt has the same problem, only s/kernel/bootloader |
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| 10:27.25 | Zao | Point. |
| 10:27.32 | cheasee | i found somebody who has/had same problem like me http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg733486.html |
| 10:27.52 | cheasee | i use exactly that anacron version |
| 10:28.22 | cheasee | where do i change that default-stop mentioned? |
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| 10:30.18 | casts | throwing computer in your gun safe, with some effort to make it tamper evident, seems a reasonable plan |
| 10:30.31 | simonrvn | cheasee: nothing in there would make the machine reboot |
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| 10:31.52 | cheasee | simonrvn, i think same.. but then something else reboots? |
| 10:32.17 | dutchfish | cheasee, if you are on stable look at /etc/init.d/anacron see also dependecy booting in squeeze release notes |
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| 10:34.23 | dutchfish | cheasee, also http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot |
| 10:35.56 | cheasee | dutchfish please check http://pastebin.com/Pcswbw3U |
| 10:36.50 | cheasee | maybe i get you wrong, i dont know why boot sequence has to do with that? |
| 10:37.22 | themill | cheasee: about as much as that bug that you posted has to do with your problem |
| 10:37.43 | cheasee | oh ok |
| 10:38.54 | cheasee | well im googling for some explanation why this happens since last two-three days.. and that was one of the only somehow fitting results |
| 10:40.48 | dutchfish | cheasee, ok, to rectify, i was thinking about the start of anacron itself, this is clearly not the issue |
| 10:41.15 | dutchfish | cheasee, or stop on shutdown of anacron |
| 10:41.40 | cheasee | strange is, i didnt touch the system since weeks, and there were no updates since squeeze is stable, so i dunno what could have changed two-three days ago |
| 10:42.36 | cheasee | dutchfish, the syslog output is the only information ive got atm, cant find anything more to log or get verbose output |
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| 10:43.05 | themill | cheasee: you don't show any logs of the reboot process -- rebooting produces lots of noise in the logs |
| 10:43.13 | razieliyo | hi |
| 10:43.27 | dutchfish | cheasee, it looks to me anacron is missing a line in /etc/anacrontab, let me check something |
| 10:44.08 | cheasee | themill, sec, ill upload my syslog files, there you can see in more detail ;) |
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| 10:46.15 | dutchfish | cheasee, nope anacrontab is fine |
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| 10:47.51 | dutchfish | cheasee, i see no errors in your pastebin either |
| 10:48.09 | mah454 | I have problem with zabbix-server-mysql . |
| 10:48.10 | mah454 | when run "/etc/init.d/zabbix-server start" |
| 10:48.32 | mah454 | receive this log : Connection to database 'zabbix' failed: [1045] Access denied for user 'zabbix'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| 10:49.04 | cheasee | themill, my syslogs: http://cyp.at/syslog/ |
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| 10:52.18 | mah454 | I fixed :) |
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| 10:54.36 | dutchfish | cheasee, from what i read from your syslogs, there is not so much an issue with anacron, but there are issues with the kernel and your ext3 filesystem. |
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| 10:57.28 | cheasee | dutchfish, so i should update kernel and fsck the filesystem? |
| 10:57.36 | dutchfish | cheasee, no |
| 10:58.33 | dutchfish | cheasee, only check if on the netx boot, the same errors appear, ie _OSC invalid UUID and ext3_orphan_cleanup; thos emight indicate a disk failure or one at hand |
| 10:58.46 | dutchfish | s/netx/next |
| 10:59.23 | dutchfish | cheasee, there is also smartmontools |
| 11:00.02 | cheasee | ya, i just did fsck and there were some clearing orphaned inode messages |
| 11:00.04 | dutchfish | cheasee, to check healthyness of the disk itself |
| 11:00.22 | cheasee | ok ill check, sec |
| 11:00.33 | dutchfish | cheasee, does the system reboot normally or hangs at shutting down? |
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| 11:00.48 | cheasee | reboots normally |
| 11:00.52 | dutchfish | ok |
| 11:00.55 | cheasee | i guess |
| 11:01.02 | cheasee | not sure, as it happens when im in bed |
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| 11:01.16 | cheasee | when i return to the netbook i see login greeter |
| 11:01.17 | dutchfish | cheasee, it does reboot by itself? |
| 11:01.27 | cheasee | yes |
| 11:01.33 | cheasee | thats what im worried about |
| 11:01.55 | dutchfish | cheasee, there is no indications of s2ram or s2disk, so this might be related to hardware |
| 11:02.16 | dutchfish | i would check disk, do a memcheck |
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| 11:04.07 | dutchfish | cheasee, then there is a minor issue with desktop: gdm-simple-greeter[2670]: Gtk-WARNING: /build/buildd-gtk+2.0_2.20.1-2-i386-TNeM25/gtk+2.0-2.20.1/gtk/gtkwidget.c:5628: widget not within a GtkWindow |
| 11:04.36 | dutchfish | cheasee, try to find out wich one causes that |
| 11:04.49 | dutchfish | (widget) |
| 11:05.17 | cheasee | http://pastebin.com/Pk1JP4Sc |
| 11:05.44 | cheasee | disk seems ok? |
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| 11:06.29 | dutchfish | yes, seams fine |
| 11:07.12 | dutchfish | cheasee, so fix the widget thing; also see x-session-manager[2784]: WARNING: Could not launch application 'nm-applet.desktop': Unable to start application: Failed to execute child process "nm-applet" (No such file or directory) |
| 11:07.15 | cheasee | dutchfish, i guess not that its the greeter, it runs after boot, but the problem must be somewhere close before it reboots itself |
| 11:07.36 | cheasee | nm-applet hum |
| 11:07.44 | dutchfish | cheasee, yes, i suspect some widget is mucking it up |
| 11:08.21 | rubin110 | So I have one box where I apt-get installed a bunch of dependancies to vlc. I have another box on the same nextwork as the first one that cannot access the internet. Does apt-get store it's downloaded debs somewhere I can simply rsync over to the other machine to install? |
| 11:08.59 | dutchfish | cheasee, this could be related to skype, i have seen that errors on 64bit |
| 11:09.01 | cheasee | oh wtf, cant write to disk, read only .. oh noes |
| 11:09.15 | cheasee | brb reboot |
| 11:09.40 | AimHere | rubin110, /var/cache/apt, I think |
| 11:10.02 | rubin110 | AimHere: Rad, thanks. |
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| 11:19.11 | Delfyn | debian installer partman expert recipes: i'm asking for 12G root and 500M swap on a 320G disk. But I get 12G root and 308G swap, i.e. all remaining space is used, but I want all remaining space to remain unallocated. The exact recipe is at http://paste.debian.net/111222/ Any hints as to what I need to change to get all remaining space unallocated please? |
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| 11:20.04 | xk | you got a cool posting ID :) |
| 11:20.06 | xk | 111222 |
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| 11:24.03 | xk | hmmm |
| 11:24.21 | xk | only thing I can see different from yours and other examples is the third number should be a percentage |
| 11:24.25 | xk | (for swap) |
| 11:24.34 | wahaha | test |
| 11:24.45 | wahaha | `g debian for windows |
| 11:28.07 | Delfyn | xk: at least in the example at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/example-preseed.txt the first two stanzas don't have a percentage as the third number ... |
| 11:28.40 | Delfyn | There's a comment in that example which says "The recipe format is documented in the file devel/partman-auto-recipe.txt." but it is not clear where that file is to be found. |
| 11:29.06 | xk | it's in the debian-installer package |
| 11:29.09 | xk | debian-installer: /usr/share/doc/debian-installer/devel/partman-auto-recipe.txt.gz |
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| 11:30.31 | Delfyn | aaahh ... thanks xk! i check it out now ... |
| 11:30.43 | xk | try removing $primary{} from swap? |
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| 11:33.24 | Delfyn | hmm ... but it is a primary partition |
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| 11:35.59 | Delfyn | the docs say the % just means that the units of size is not MB but is <system-ram>/100 |
| 11:36.06 | xk | hmm |
| 11:36.57 | xk | wouldnt have a clue |
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| 11:38.55 | serrghi | Hi guys, i have a iwl4965 wireless card, and no ethernet port (banged). Im trying to install via the live cd, and have come to the part where it wants to locate the missing wireless firmware. I have put firmware-iwlwifi*.deb and wireless-tools*.deb on my USB stick (stick/firmware/.) But it doesnt seem to load/find the files. what can i do? |
| 11:40.05 | babilen | serrghi: Is that the second partition of the usb stick? |
| 11:40.14 | babilen | !tell serrghi -about firmware images |
| 11:41.13 | babilen | serrghi: Those semi-unofficial images might also be worth a look. The whole method is explained in the installation guide, but IIRC the firmware files have to be placed on the second partition of the USB stick |
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| 11:41.29 | babilen | serrghi: (i.e. not in some random directory on the first) |
| 11:41.49 | serrghi | no its a new stick |
| 11:42.08 | serrghi | one stick for the live cd, and one for the firmware |
| 11:42.09 | serrghi | :p |
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| 11:48.29 | olsx | anyone familiar with pureftpd? trying to check quota, i tried pure-quotacheck -u user -d /his/chroot/ and it says |
| 11:48.31 | olsx | Invalid/insecure/missing uid - must be > 0 |
| 11:48.46 | olsx | tried with -g 100 aswell |
| 11:49.10 | del_diablo222 | Attempting to start the xserver results in something like "(EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI2 capable" and same error with DRI instead of DRI2, and I can't start MESA either. nouveau, nv and fbdev modules dot not exist either |
| 11:49.38 | Bushmills | sounds like your run it as root. -g refers to group, not to user id |
| 11:49.47 | del_diablo222 | (also failed to open "/usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so") |
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| 11:50.47 | mplabs | does anyone use a .forward file? |
| 11:51.02 | mplabs | by the way, hello guys! :) |
| 11:51.02 | Bushmills | statistically, extremely likely |
| 11:51.58 | mplabs | I wanted to know if the format is "email1@server.xxx,email2@server.xxx,email3@server.xxx,..."? or if I should specify anything else |
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| 11:52.40 | Bushmills | what made you stop wanting to know that? |
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| 11:53.32 | mplabs | nothing, I'm waiting an answer |
| 11:53.46 | mplabs | Bushmills: what made you stop answering my question? |
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| 11:53.57 | Bushmills | it wsa my impression that you spoke in past tense |
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| 11:54.03 | Noor_eg1 | hello |
| 11:54.17 | Noor_eg1 | i want install mysql query browser but it gives me this errro mysql-query-browser : Depends: libgtkhtml3.14-19 (< 3.31) but 3.32.2-1 is to be installed |
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| 11:54.35 | Bushmills | (it is now not anymore because of you saying that you're waiting for an answer) |
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| 11:54.56 | mplabs | Bushmills: it was just your impression |
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| 11:56.10 | Noor_eg1 | i want install mysql query browser but it gives me this errro mysql-query-browser : Depends: libgtkhtml3.14-19 (< 3.31) but 3.32.2-1 is to be installed |
| 11:56.17 | xk | !repeating |
| 11:56.17 | dpkg | We read your question the first time, and if we haven't replied, there's a good chance we either don't know, don't have time to answer, or someone doesn't like you. Repeating is annoying. |
| 11:56.27 | babilen | !tell Noor_eg1 -about bat |
| 11:56.28 | bonjoyee | was going through this...http://www.freetype.org/patents.html ..does this mean better fonts for debian? if so what version? |
| 11:57.03 | Bushmills | mplabs: man aliases explains the file format |
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| 11:57.39 | babilen | mplabs: Sorry, I would google it for you but you have to do that yourself. You can do a bunch of things in that file and the syntax is explained in detail in the exim docs and IIRC in "man aliases" ... have a look. |
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| 11:58.01 | del_diablo222 | Lets say I have some random gfx drivers installed, I get cryptic error messages when I attempt to starting xorg, what is the easiest way of purging the system back to pure working mesa? |
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| 11:58.20 | mplabs | of course I already did it babilen hehe |
| 11:58.25 | mplabs | ok, let me see the man aliases |
| 11:58.27 | LiohAu | hi, i can't find db_load on Squeeze, how can i get it plz ? |
| 11:58.28 | Delfyn | xk: if the code at the bottom of /usr/share/doc/debian-installer/devel/partman-auto-recipe.txt.gz is to be believed, then it does a divide-by-zero error if all three numbers in the stanza are the same :-) |
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| 11:59.01 | Delfyn | xk: maybe that is the probem :-) I'll set the priority (middle number) to something totally different and see if that fixes it. |
| 11:59.07 | babilen | Delfyn: wonderful :) |
| 12:00.01 | Delfyn | babilen: i kind of hope that is the case ... if it is then i can at least workaround the problem now and submit a bug report with some idea of where problem lies |
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| 12:00.18 | babilen | Delfyn: exactly! |
| 12:00.31 | Delfyn | right ... off to reinstall ... :) |
| 12:00.34 | xk | hmmm |
| 12:00.36 | bonjoyee | anyone? |
| 12:00.37 | olsx | Bushmills: yes i tired to run the cmd as root since i can only do that as root? |
| 12:00.41 | LiohAu | nobody has an idea for the db_utils package name? |
| 12:00.46 | xk | "whole free space can be used".... 5 limitations. |
| 12:00.51 | xk | but it doesnt say it must be used. |
| 12:01.32 | Bushmills | olsx: but the error message suggests that you can't. try a number (uid) behind -u, rather than a user name |
| 12:01.46 | olsx | ah i see |
| 12:01.51 | Delfyn | xk? |
| 12:01.56 | Delfyn | where are you reading that? |
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| 12:02.25 | babilen | !tell LiohAu -about apt-file |
| 12:02.34 | Delfyn | ahh ... i see ity |
| 12:02.35 | Delfyn | it |
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| 12:03.10 | xk | gotta love incomplete documentation |
| 12:03.29 | bonjoyee | http://www.freetype.org/patents.html what does this mean for Debian? |
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| 12:03.55 | dfdfsdf | about iptables, if i set my input policy to drop, then accept only packages with state established, related then drop everything on input, this would ban everything (ips, ports etc) but connections i make (anywhere). Right? |
| 12:03.58 | beate | Hi there! I'm having problems with my soundcard..I want get any sound in squeeze (Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)) |
| 12:04.05 | LiohAu | babilen: thx |
| 12:04.11 | LiohAu | found it :) |
| 12:04.16 | Bushmills | xk, if everthing else fails, simply swapoff the partition after install/boot, then create a smaller one |
| 12:04.20 | LiohAu | was named db4.8-util |
| 12:04.25 | beate | *won't |
| 12:04.40 | xk | dfdfsdf: correct. |
| 12:04.58 | xk | dfdfsdf: although non-tcp (udp/icmp) would fail regardless. |
| 12:05.06 | dfdfsdf | xk, so it's pretty simple and effective firewall for a home pc isnt it |
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| 12:05.10 | wrksx | hey |
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| 12:05.24 | wrksx | I got 6 getty process running as root, is it expected ? |
| 12:05.26 | xk | well, firewalling outbound connections is also preferred |
| 12:05.39 | xk | imagine if you have a windows machine infected and it starts spamming? :) |
| 12:05.55 | babilen | LiohAu: wonderful :) |
| 12:06.25 | emacsenlee | which package do i need to install to load ext4 partitions? |
| 12:06.39 | xk | or some crappy windows app (flash) that wants to update every day. |
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| 12:07.06 | Bushmills | emacsenlee: a not too old stock kernel image should be enough |
| 12:07.09 | dfdfsdf | xk, controlling out it's much more difficult |
| 12:07.19 | Bushmills | (i.e. one coming with ext4 module) |
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| 12:07.26 | xk | well... you only really need a http proxy. |
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| 12:07.45 | LiohAu | i asked this on #bind but they are all sleeping xD, so does anybody know how to redirect a domain and all its available subdomains except one, to another domain ? |
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| 12:08.06 | xk | redirect? |
| 12:08.14 | xk | http? |
| 12:09.48 | LiohAu | got a mycorp.com domain, and a mycorp-product.com domain, and mycorp.com has nothing available for the moment except on one subdomain, so i would like to make something like a 302 or an alias between *.mycorp.com and mycorp-product.com |
| 12:09.53 | Bushmills | LiohAu: you can't. the mechanism which is often used for "redirecting" host name, namely a CNAME, may not have other RRs on the same level - that qualifies CNAMEs only for host names, not for whole domains |
| 12:10.04 | emacsenlee | bushmils ,i mean grub,thanks for your kindness |
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| 12:10.23 | xk | LiohAu: mod_rewrite? |
| 12:10.25 | mplabs | babilen: I found the format but I still don't know how to separate many e-mails in the same file, I think I should use a ",", do you have any idea? |
| 12:10.51 | xk | hmmm |
| 12:10.52 | xk | hang on |
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| 12:10.53 | LiohAu | yes i'll go on something with apache if i can't do it with bind |
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| 12:11.33 | xk | I dont know if apache will like having a wildcard hostname and a non-wildcard hostname togethre. |
| 12:12.07 | xk | You do know apache will work with "*.blah.com" for Server{Alias,Name}? |
| 12:12.08 | mplabs | http://uw714doc.sco.com/en/man/html.4/aliases.4.html |
| 12:12.17 | mplabs | it doesn't have any example |
| 12:12.28 | mplabs | ...with more than one e-mail |
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| 12:13.01 | LiohAu | don't know :( |
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| 12:13.36 | Bushmills | LiohAu: with apache, a permanent redirect in one virtualhost to that other would do |
| 12:13.59 | LiohAu | would like a 302, can i ? |
| 12:14.27 | del_diablo222 | grub2 failed to istall itself again,t and it did not give me a large enough error message. I have / installed on first partition of a HD, and grub2 fails to install itself. I manually reboot via a ubuntu live usb pen and renstall from there to get it working again. Is there any way of fixing the issue so I won't have to woraround again? |
| 12:14.31 | xk | hmm actually. |
| 12:14.47 | xk | Wildcard ServerName, then if it doesn't match the single subdomain, do a 302 redirect. |
| 12:14.48 | xk | problem solved. |
| 12:15.45 | xk | so you need wildcard dns, and wildcard Server{Name,Alias} in apache. |
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| 12:16.58 | LiohAu | i'm searching for Wildcard ServerName, seems i have to use it with ServerAlias *.mydomain.com |
| 12:17.10 | del_diablo222 | What config file do I need to edit to get grub2 to install to correct HD? Updating breaks the system. |
| 12:17.14 | xk | I dont remember exactly... maybe it only applies for Alias |
| 12:17.42 | LiohAu | and if i'm not wrong, using ServerName, makes me use RewriteRule, instead of Redirect |
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| 12:18.10 | Bushmills | the default domain, i.e. the one not caught by virtualhost definitons, works akin to wildcard virtualhosts |
| 12:18.12 | xk | yeah |
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| 12:19.29 | Bushmills | why not simply point both domains to the same ip address? |
| 12:19.45 | LiohAu | they are on the same ip |
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| 12:20.08 | Bushmills | no need to "redirect" one domain to the other. just let them both resolve to the same ip address |
| 12:20.51 | coax | well if you do that the site might have duplicate url's which isnt good |
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| 12:21.15 | Bushmills | that's what he wanted .. "redirect whole domain to the other" |
| 12:21.31 | LiohAu | Bushmills: the problem was, that i needed to redirect the domain and all its subdomains (wildcard), on another domain except one subdomain |
| 12:21.32 | coax | yeah but i mean the ability to view the site on both domains |
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| 12:22.00 | coax | in wordpress i think it redirects to the proper domain but not for the root until you browse a 'folder' |
| 12:22.06 | LiohAu | so *.first.tld on => www.second.tld, but exception.first.tld, does not redirect |
| 12:22.08 | simplechat | Hey guys, is there any nice way of debootstrapping a new luks install? |
| 12:22.11 | Bushmills | ah. i missed that subdomain. is that really a suibdomain, or just a host in that domain? |
| 12:22.24 | coax | LiohAu you can create a * wildcard and then a separate specific sub domain |
| 12:22.27 | simplechat | ie. setting up luks/etc. with an initramfs without having to basically make my own? |
| 12:22.38 | coax | the specific will work while redirecting everything else |
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| 12:22.56 | LiohAu | yeah i'll test that, everybody gave me a way to test :) |
| 12:23.03 | LiohAu | explore* |
| 12:23.17 | coax | and im confusing this channel with wordpress chan im sorry |
| 12:23.20 | coax | little out of it:) |
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| 12:24.23 | LiohAu | coax: i'm talking of apache here too ^^ |
| 12:24.45 | coax | yeah i know, i mentioned wp up there thats all |
| 12:24.53 | coax | the other stuff still stands |
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| 12:26.10 | del_diablo222 | Running debian sid, is there a way to fix this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/496435 On every update grub fails to install itself as it attempts to install itself to /dev/sdb/sdb1 instead of the actual disk(/deb/sdb). |
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| 12:29.19 | flux242 | hi, To change keyboard loyout I'm using dpkg-reconfigure console-data and it works. But it works until reboot. So everytime I boot I need to repeat the whole procedure |
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| 12:30.02 | flux242 | I do not have X, only console |
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| 12:31.00 | flux242 | Does anybody know which config files are supposed to be adjusted by console-date? |
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| 12:31.39 | del_diablo222 | flux242: http://community.livejournal.com/debian/344616.html " setxkbmap us intl ", i guesss modding the setxkb map command and then adding to some file that is executed on startup |
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| 12:33.08 | del_diablo222 | flux242: Was it relevant? |
| 12:33.15 | gnugr | !how can gwibber works on squeeze? |
| 12:33.18 | dassouki | i'm on fink and a mak .. i'm trying to do a sudo dpkg -i my_app .. i get an error that i386 does not match i386-darwin architecture .. anyway to bypass that? |
| 12:33.41 | dassouki | mac |
| 12:34.11 | flux242 | del_diablo222: I'm not sure. As I said I do not have X or anything above it, just plain console |
| 12:34.43 | del_diablo222 | flux242: I think setxkb does not require x :P |
| 12:34.46 | nkuttler | dassouki: #fink |
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| 12:35.48 | dassouki | nkuttler: #fink has been dead all morning so I thought I'd ask here as well |
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| 12:36.19 | flux242 | del_diablo222: I suppose it changes xorg.conf, and I have to xorg.conf |
| 12:36.27 | flux242 | I have no |
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| 12:37.01 | del_diablo222 | flux242: Did some vague googeling, seems you are correct :( |
| 12:37.19 | Bushmills | flux242: /etc/config/keyboard |
| 12:37.32 | Bushmills | sry .. /etc/default/keyboard |
| 12:37.53 | Bushmills | for temporary loading, use loadkeys .. |
| 12:38.38 | flux242 | Bushmills: That's more like it, thanks |
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| 12:39.30 | Bushmills | there's also /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz |
| 12:39.53 | flux242 | yeah, i've seen this file |
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| 12:40.43 | dfdfsdf | xk, i don't get it why some set their input policy to drop, then protect themselves with things like "-p tcp --tcp-flags FIN,ACK FIN -j DROP" on the input chain. Sice iptables has policy to drop is this necessary ? |
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| 12:41.01 | spermonface_ | guys, can I install xfce4.8 from experimental repository? |
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| 12:42.16 | Bushmills | "(13:03:55) dfdfsdf: about iptables, if i set my input policy to drop, then accept only packages with state established, related then drop everything on input,.." same i didn't quite understand there |
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| 12:43.19 | dfdfsdf | Bushmills, my first question ? |
| 12:43.22 | streuner_ | spermonface_: why do you want a package out of experimental? |
| 12:43.41 | spermonface_ | to install |
| 12:43.43 | dfdfsdf | Bushmills, or the second |
| 12:43.54 | Bushmills | yes. same thing you say you don't get why "some" do that while you do too |
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| 12:44.20 | streuner_ | spermonface_: yes, but experimental is a playground of DDs, so if doesnt solve an important problem usually you dont want that... |
| 12:44.30 | streuner_ | it* |
| 12:44.40 | dfdfsdf | Bushmills, hmm right, i can get rid off the final drop then? |
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| 12:45.14 | dfdfsdf | Bushmills, is setting the policy to drop, then accepting related,established protects me against scans from nmap ? |
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| 12:45.26 | Bushmills | usually you can. makes a difference when you append an ACCEPT rule to a table. in one case, appended rules has effect, in other case, it hasn't |
| 12:45.56 | gnugr | why gwibber does not work on squeeze? |
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| 12:46.09 | del_diablo222 | If I get a update to grub2, what config file does it read to figure out what disk to install to? |
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| 12:46.17 | streuner_ | judd, versions gwibber |
| 12:46.18 | judd | Package gwibber on i386 -- squeeze: 1.2.0+bzr358-3; wheezy: 1.2.0+bzr358-3; sid: 2.91.91.1-1 |
| 12:46.43 | streuner_ | gnugr: what does BTS say about? |
| 12:47.34 | streuner_ | gnugr: and please tell us what doesnt work, we arent able to read minds |
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| 12:48.22 | gnugr | nothing for facebook but it still can't get replys even with verify number from facebook |
| 12:48.25 | del_diablo222 | If I get a update to grub2, what config file does it read to figure out what disk to install/update to? I have problems with grub2 being attempted installed to the wrong partition and disks..... :( |
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| 12:49.24 | gnugr | for twitter needs code ttytter, not exists |
| 12:49.40 | del_diablo222 | gnugr: What? |
| 12:49.49 | gnugr | perl ttytter |
| 12:50.08 | del_diablo222 | gnugr: What? |
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| 12:50.30 | Bushmills | del_diablo222, unless specified differently, update-grub does grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 12:50.33 | gnugr | gwibber do not works on squeeze |
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| 12:51.47 | gnugr | gwibber needs perl ttytter to get authorise from twitter |
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| 12:52.39 | gnugr | for facebook also do not works even with its verify number |
| 12:54.08 | del_diablo222 | gnugr: I can still not understand your problem. Wrap it up in 1 line please. |
| 12:55.32 | streuner_ | gnugr: did you try a newer version of it yet? |
| 12:56.03 | streuner_ | gnugr: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 12:56.14 | streuner_ | dpkg, gwibber |
| 12:56.14 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, streuner_ |
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| 12:56.55 | gnugr | gwibber can;t get authorise from twitter to be able to connect, with facebook also can't connect even with verify number from facebook |
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| 13:00.38 | mrdeb | what is the point of standalone twi apps when the website works fine |
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| 13:03.14 | streuner_ | mrdeb: you dont need a browser, nowadays it sometimes a big advantage :-P |
| 13:03.30 | streuner_ | s/it/its/ |
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| 13:05.36 | Morten_ | Hi all, I am trying to compile the new 2.6.38 kernel, but I get an error which I don't know what to do about: http://pastebin.com/5im542pu |
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| 13:06.45 | Bushmills | what is "kernel package version 11.015"? |
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| 13:07.40 | Morten_ | I have no idea. Just downloaded the source from kernel.org - thats all I know. |
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| 13:09.32 | nevyn | Bushmills: kernel package version 11 is from the kernel-package that builds a .deb or set of .deb's of linux |
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| 13:24.36 | AbuDhabi | I want to add the Windows installation to the GRUB menu, under Squeeze. Unfortunately, I don't understand how to do that, and the wiki page is unhelpful. It automatically detected and added the FREEDOS installation, but not the Windows installation for some reason (the partition is correctly detected and can be accessed normally via /media/). How can I remedy this? |
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| 13:25.52 | simonrvn | !os-prober |
| 13:25.53 | dpkg | os-prober is a utility for detecting other installed operating systems. http://joey.kitenet.net/code/os-prober/ . See also <grub2 config>. |
| 13:26.07 | simonrvn | AbuDhabi: install that ^^ |
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| 13:27.00 | AbuDhabi | Hmm. It's listed as installed. |
| 13:27.23 | AbuDhabi | Okay, it detected Windows and FreeDOS. |
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| 13:28.48 | AbuDhabi | How do I make it add those to GRUB? |
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| 13:29.10 | simonrvn | try update-grub again |
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| 13:29.44 | AbuDhabi | Cool. |
| 13:29.50 | AbuDhabi | Thank you very much, simonrvn. |
| 13:29.54 | simonrvn | np |
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| 13:43.35 | ttiicc | hey guys I just installed finch with aptitude, it was only one package! I know that aptitude promts you with package size information and stuff! but I missed to read the information and wonder it I could get the information again from aptitude without been force to remve and reinstall the package again!? |
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| 13:44.03 | simonrvn | aptitude show package |
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| 13:57.53 | ug768 | when using pbuilder, should I be using the default distribution to build packages (sid) or squeeze? |
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| 14:01.13 | Bushmills | ttiicc: apt-cache show gives you size information too |
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| 14:02.41 | simonrvn | prefers apt-cache show |
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| 14:04.32 | peta | hello guys |
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| 14:06.30 | ug768 | yo |
| 14:07.26 | gnugr | !gwibber still does not work even with backports, with build-essential or build-dep. It shows error HTTP |
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| 14:08.20 | simonrvn | gnugr: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 14:09.33 | peta | i want to install the latest mysql binary release. on mysql.com everything is well documented, so this is actually no problem. BUT: they tell that the binary should be copied to /usr/local/mysql and on my old system the (apt package) binary fieles are "located" all across /usr/lib (executables), /usr/lib (shared libs) asf.. What should I do, in order to use these mysql binaries as "system-wide defaults"? |
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| 14:12.17 | peta | Should I add symbolic links of the accordings executables/shared libs to /usr/(lib | bin | asf)? |
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| 14:13.06 | rudi_s | peta: What's wrong with the default Debian mysql? |
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| 14:13.51 | peta | rudi_s: nothing. :) it's 5.1 but i want to use 5.5.10 and that's not available on the default apt sources |
| 14:14.10 | gnugr | canonical must buy Debian as well, they can fix all probs |
| 14:14.24 | rudi_s | peta: Why? Do you really need that newer version? |
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| 14:15.34 | peta | rudi_s: yes, I want to evaluate some of the new features and check if my app's persistence layer can benefit from them |
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| 14:16.43 | themill | dpkg, qotd269 is <reply> <gnugr> canonical must buy Debian as well, they can fix all probs |
| 14:16.43 | dpkg | okay, themill |
| 14:17.13 | rudi_s | peta: I'd recommend you try that it in a chroot or virtual machine so you don't cause problems for your main debian system. I'm not sure how good the mysql installers are. |
| 14:18.11 | themill | peta: I can't imagine that the shared libraries will have maintained binary compatibility. You probably can't just replace the debian client libraries in that way. |
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| 14:19.11 | austinium | hi, is it possible to remove Places from Gnome's Main Menu??? |
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| 14:19.15 | peta | rudi_s: i already are in a vm. :) a 1-to-1 mirror of my production system |
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| 14:21.04 | themill | austinium: the chances of the ubuntu and debian gnome settings being the same are quite slim these days. Decide whether you're running debian or ubuntu and ask in the appropriate place. |
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| 14:22.55 | ttiicc | hey guys I just installed a vanilla debian system and now I tried to install bugzilla3 and I got dependencie issues! |
| 14:23.23 | ttiicc | and it gave me 9 solutions to choose between, which one should I choose? |
| 14:23.42 | xk | random |
| 14:24.36 | austinium | themill: i use them both |
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| 14:24.41 | themill | ttiicc: the one that does what you want. If you don't give us more information, we can't give you more. |
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| 14:25.25 | ttiicc | hmm I should create a pastebin, wait 1 min |
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| 14:28.16 | ttiicc | http://pastebin.com/2X38zhmS |
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| 14:29.39 | ttiicc | that the pastbin for my bugzilla issue from aptitude! |
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| 14:31.06 | themill | !show sources.list ttiicc |
| 14:31.06 | dpkg | ttiicc: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
| 14:31.31 | themill | ttiicc: the missing dependencies it's talking about should not be missing |
| 14:31.38 | ttiicc | I have added contrib and non-free in to my sources.list |
| 14:32.02 | ttiicc | but ok I could create a apastebin for that command which you gave me 1 sec |
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| 14:33.48 | ttiicc | http://pastebin.com/Vj5aUmLF |
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| 14:34.03 | ttiicc | and that's the pastbin for the command which you gave me themill |
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| 14:34.44 | themill | ttiicc: actually, you probably just need to decide whether you want the gd library built with xpm support or not (fontconfig and x11 libraries will be dragged in for xpm support). Install that package first and then bugzilla. |
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| 14:35.21 | ttiicc | sorry the mill which package did you recommend me to install first? |
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| 14:36.14 | themill | Either libgd2-xpm or libgd2-noxpm. Look at their package descriptions to decide which one you want. |
| 14:36.43 | ttiicc | thanks for your time themill |
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| 14:41.10 | redbeans | ? |
| 14:41.12 | redbeans | help |
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| 14:42.38 | rozie | with / ;) |
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| 14:44.37 | redbeans | ahh thank you rozie |
| 14:45.02 | erAbuelo | buenas tardes |
| 14:45.23 | robokop | buenas tardis |
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| 14:45.49 | ompaul | redbeans: if you don't write your question you won't get an answer. |
| 14:46.04 | ompaul | ahh |
| 14:46.10 | ompaul | jumped the gun there |
| 14:46.23 | redbeans | LOL it happens |
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| 14:52.51 | lxsameer | does nobody user exist by default in debian? |
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| 14:53.17 | jnewt_ | i am trying to get only the packages from lenny-backports for virtualbox (the lenny-main) has an outdated version. but if i remove the main repos from sources.list it says the package is missing. however, |
| 14:53.39 | jnewt_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.06 | jnewt_ | works when main is in sources.list doesn't that command tell it to install from backports? |
| 14:54.15 | jnewt_ | doesn't make any sense. |
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| 15:09.22 | hyper_ch | hi there, I just setup a debian server and for some reasons I can't resolve any domains now |
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| 15:11.23 | Sm0ke0ut | hyper_ch check your /etc/resolv.conf for a matching/working DNS server |
| 15:11.41 | hyper_ch | Sm0ke0ut: using opendns nameserver |
| 15:11.46 | hyper_ch | and I also have bind9 installed |
| 15:11.55 | hyper_ch | before it worked, then I changed the IP of that machine |
| 15:11.57 | hyper_ch | now it won't |
| 15:12.18 | mrdeb | how is d6 working for you |
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| 15:13.14 | hyper_ch | mrdeb: generation of ssl certs always gives errors thefirst time |
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| 15:13.56 | hyper_ch | Sm0ke0ut: hmmm, I also not, that it doesn't like /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 15:14.05 | hyper_ch | it fails loading the network card after that |
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| 15:14.17 | mrdeb | ok |
| 15:14.32 | mrdeb | so, are these things that should have been worked out before rlease? |
| 15:15.06 | hyper_ch | dunno... it's just what I noticed |
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| 15:16.09 | mrdeb | ok interesting |
| 15:16.26 | mrdeb | i ran into an issue with the installer not working |
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| 15:16.47 | Sm0ke0ut | a regular ping request to an external IP address works fine? |
| 15:17.15 | spalo | I have run tightvncserver as a non-root user on my Debian wheezy from bash. the command was just: tightvncserver |
| 15:17.25 | spalo | I am unable to connect to it from Windows box using Real VNC. |
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| 15:17.29 | spalo | what should I do to troubleshoot it? |
| 15:17.38 | karlpinc | mrdeb: Someone has to file a bug report for things to get fixed. |
| 15:17.44 | spalo | I just installed it: aptitude install tightvncserver and the next thing I did was run: tightvncserver |
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| 15:18.22 | Sm0ke0ut | spalo make sure it's running and check the configuration files (and eventually /var/log/syslog) |
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| 15:18.44 | mrdeb | ok |
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| 15:21.42 | spal | ps -aef | grep vnc returns no output |
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| 15:22.45 | spal | i just started tightvncserver from mrxvt after logging into GNOME. is that fine? |
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| 15:26.01 | spal | anyone here uses tightvncserver successfully? |
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| 15:29.55 | project2501a | spa1: yes |
| 15:30.11 | project2501a | spa1: you were asking the same things yesterday, as well. |
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| 15:31.45 | spal | yes, so I got tightvncserver. two commands so far: aptitude install tightvncserver (as root), tightvncserver (as non root) |
| 15:31.50 | spal | ps -aef | grep vnc returns nothing |
| 15:32.56 | jnewt_ | i cannot ping my guest from either the host (doesn't resolve) or another pc on the same subnet (resolves, request timeouts). i have chosen bridge mode for the networking type. is this not the correct selection? |
| 15:34.04 | jnewt_ | the vm is pulling an ip, subnet and gateway properly from the dhcp server, and apparently dns is working ok |
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| 15:34.28 | pipeline | can the guest ping the gateway ? |
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| 15:34.49 | DebraBarone | How can I make my microphone louder? It's at 100% in AlsaMixer. |
| 15:34.56 | jnewt_ | pipeline: yes |
| 15:35.15 | pipeline | jnewt_: can the host ping the gateway ? |
| 15:35.39 | jnewt_ | pipeline: yes |
| 15:35.42 | rozie | DebraBarone: some chipset allow +20dB boost |
| 15:36.14 | DebraBarone | rozie: It's still to quiet. |
| 15:37.05 | rozie | no other ideas |
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| 15:37.36 | unkmar | how might I reset the mouse interface? I tried restarting gdm and that did not restore the mouse-wheel operation. |
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| 15:40.33 | lxsameer | how can i give the write permission to /var/log/ to a user? |
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| 15:41.12 | unkmar | lxsameer: clue, group permissions. |
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| 15:41.36 | project2501a | lxsameer: if you do, dooom upon you. |
| 15:41.38 | project2501a | doom, even. |
| 15:42.01 | lxsameer | ow i found a solution |
| 15:42.08 | babilen | lxsameer: Why do you want this? |
| 15:42.34 | lxsameer | babilen: logging |
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| 15:43.00 | spal | please help me to fix this tightvncserver problem: http://pastebin.com/YLU2iEYB |
| 15:43.01 | unkmar | lxsameer: write also means delete. |
| 15:43.07 | babilen | lxsameer: You don't say! Could you elaborate a bit more? Why don't you log into a file in your $HOME? |
| 15:44.23 | lxsameer | babilen: unkmar i found the solution, i will create a log file by my master process of service(that run under root) and chown that file to my slave process user |
| 15:44.29 | jnewt_ | pipeline, so, does that help, everything can ping everything, except nothing can ping the guest os |
| 15:45.13 | babilen | lxsameer: Why don't you log into a file in the home directory of the process owner? |
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| 15:45.52 | lxsameer | babilen: ? the service run under a system user without a home directory |
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| 15:47.18 | babilen | lxsameer: You might want to check how other daemons like exim4 do it. Check the "adm" group and stay consistent with the rest of the system. |
| 15:47.25 | pipeline | jnewt_: guest firewalling itself |
| 15:47.34 | unkmar | jnewt_: guest os is firewalling? |
| 15:47.46 | pipeline | jnewt_: also check arp caches on host/guest/gate, might have a duplicate mac somewhere |
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| 15:48.40 | jnewt_ | (#$&)@&#$) Firewall!!! how did i not think of that one! thanks pipeline, all is well |
| 15:48.41 | lxsameer | babilen: yeah i find this solution by looking at them |
| 15:49.18 | ymasory_ | i'm getting this stack trace when i try to remove a package in software center in sid: http://paste.ideaslabs.com/show/6hkHRow8Bl |
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| 15:49.42 | ymasory_ | i tried creating that file but then it gives me a file format exception |
| 15:51.29 | babilen | ymasory_: File a bug against software-center -- That file is nowhere to be found. You might want to use aptitude or synaptic in the meanwhile |
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| 15:52.06 | ymasory_ | babilen: this is probably it http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609766 |
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| 15:53.12 | babilen | ymasory_: Yes, that's the one. |
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| 15:55.05 | anlmat | Hello #debian! Does 4k sector drives work/get detected during installation of the latest debian? |
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| 15:55.23 | unkmar | spal: try adding these options. -fp /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/,/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/,/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/,/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/ -co /etc/X11/rgb |
| 15:56.11 | anlmat | Because I read somewhere that linux is not ready for 4k sector sizes on harddrives... |
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| 15:58.39 | Punkoff | When packaging a deb with python-support, how do I start the daemon AFTER python-support triggers? |
| 15:58.47 | Punkoff | portinst runs BEFORE that |
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| 16:03.49 | Miesco | How do I get flash? :( |
| 16:04.03 | Miesco | Unfortunately I still need it for pr0n |
| 16:04.28 | Miesco | Do I add a repository? |
| 16:05.25 | ansgar | Punkoff: AFAIK you have to do the python-support stuff yourself in the postinst. |
| 16:05.38 | MrFrood | Miesco: enable non-free in your sources.list |
| 16:05.47 | Miesco | MrFrood: I have |
| 16:06.07 | MrFrood | aptitude search flash |
| 16:06.51 | MrFrood | you did update afterwards, yes? |
| 16:06.53 | Miesco | MrFrood: Don't see it |
| 16:07.03 | Miesco | I think so, i'll update now |
| 16:07.04 | MrFrood | aptitude update |
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| 16:07.41 | Miesco | still not there |
| 16:07.54 | Miesco | add contrib branch? |
| 16:08.20 | MrFrood | yes |
| 16:08.24 | MrFrood | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 16:11.12 | Miesco | Whats contrib? |
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| 16:11.33 | iluminator101 | libreoffice is in debian repos??? |
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| 16:12.03 | MrFrood | iluminator101: i think it's in sid |
| 16:13.44 | Miesco | k got it thanks |
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| 16:14.54 | MrFrood | Miesco: you will probably want to also install geko-player |
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| 16:19.11 | anlmat | Anyone know if debian supports 4k sector drives? |
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| 16:20.19 | MrFrood | anlmat: search the debian-user mailing list, they have been talking about that recently |
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| 16:22.47 | anlmat | MrFrood, thanks. |
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| 16:36.12 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
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| 16:41.18 | tarnap | hi |
| 16:41.25 | tarnap | i'm using debian lenny on a vserver |
| 16:41.32 | tarnap | i'm trying to install libtorrent |
| 16:41.52 | tarnap | when i run ./configure i get configure: error: The pkg-config script could not be found or is too old. Make sure it |
| 16:41.52 | tarnap | is in your PATH or set the PKG_CONFIG environment variable to the full |
| 16:41.53 | tarnap | path to pkg-config. |
| 16:41.53 | tarnap | Alternatively, you may set the environment variables OPENSSL_CFLAGS |
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| 16:42.55 | MrFrood | is pkg-config installed? |
| 16:43.40 | MrFrood | (it's not part of build-essential) |
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| 16:44.11 | tarnap | just found out, and no... it wasn't... i was being quite stupid |
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| 16:45.03 | MrFrood | how do think I found out that its not part of build-essential? |
| 16:45.15 | tarnap | dunno, googlin'? |
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| 16:45.23 | tarnap | as i said... i was being quite stupid |
| 16:45.53 | MrFrood | so was I once - thats how I found out... |
| 16:46.24 | tarnap | i'm not used to linux any more... |
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| 16:46.29 | tarnap | damn you apple... |
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| 16:51.02 | tarnap | ok, next thing... i just installed openssl from tarball: http://www.openssl.org/source/ (./configure; make; make install) |
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| 16:51.29 | tarnap | how can i found out where the libs are so i can put the flags for libtorrent compiling? |
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| 16:53.47 | cahoot | tarnap: just curious - why so intent on compiling if you use debian? |
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| 16:54.12 | pzn | can you recommend a good wiki software for squeeze? thinking about moinmoin but it is been years that I don't use it, maybe there is a better one nowadays... |
| 16:54.25 | rudi_s | Hi. I'm looking for a console program to download videos from youtube. I tried clive, cclive and slimrat but none worked. Any ideas? Thanks. |
| 16:54.42 | tarnap | because i'm using debian lenny, the versions i need for libtorrent ain't available as packages for lenny |
| 16:54.46 | tarnap | or at least, i didn't find any |
| 16:54.55 | marshalmc | compile from source? |
| 16:55.06 | tarnap | that's what i'm doing right now |
| 16:55.27 | MrFrood | yeah but openssl is available in leeny isn't it? |
| 16:55.32 | tarnap | i just installed openssl from source, want to find out where the libs are so i can put the needed flags |
| 16:55.40 | tarnap | yes it is, but not the version i need :) |
| 16:56.11 | MrFrood | /usr/local ... |
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| 16:56.19 | Leoneof | rudi_s: i've used youtube-dl on ubuntu, not sure if it's available on Debian. |
| 16:56.40 | rudi_s | Leoneof: It isn't available :-/ |
| 16:56.49 | Leoneof | ouch |
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| 16:57.58 | tarnap | yes... actually it's in /usr/local/bin i wonder why the configure script can't find it |
| 16:58.19 | Leoneof | rudi_s: http://youtubedl.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 16:58.54 | rudi_s | Leoneof: Hm, I only see an .exe file to download on that page. |
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| 17:00.54 | Leoneof | rudi_s: oh right, maybe they have different website |
| 17:01.11 | Miesco | How do I find the files in a package? |
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| 17:01.16 | Miesco | dpkg --list or something? |
| 17:01.17 | dpkg | Miesco: i haven't a clue |
| 17:01.18 | rudi_s | If possible I'd like to use a Debian program, but none worked :-/ |
| 17:01.32 | rudi_s | Miesco: dpkg -L packagename if the package is installed. |
| 17:01.56 | wolfric | Where can i find help/information about disk encryption? |
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| 17:02.14 | thewanderer1 | rudi_s: youtube-dl works |
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| 17:02.26 | rudi_s | thewanderer1: Where can I find a package for Debian? |
| 17:02.33 | thewanderer1 | rudi_s: debian-multimedia |
| 17:02.34 | Miesco | thanks |
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| 17:02.44 | rudi_s | thewanderer1: Oh, ok. Thanks. |
| 17:02.52 | Char | I am looking at creating a linux software raid 5 array. Will I encounter any problems if I get desktop drives which don't implement TLER/ERC/CCTL, does linux raid need this? |
| 17:03.18 | bzrk | Char: no |
| 17:03.58 | bzrk | Char: do yourself a favor though and go for raid 6 if possible |
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| 17:04.07 | bzrk | and keep a spare drive handy |
| 17:04.23 | unkmar | This is a laptop and if I disconnect and reconnect the ps/2 mouse it will like break the Zaxis again. :( |
| 17:04.27 | xk | Char: what's it going to be used for? |
| 17:04.30 | unkmar | well, I got the mouse wheel working by having it connected @ boot. Which means I rebooted. |
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| 17:04.43 | wolfric | disk encryption anyone? encrypted volumes on install? Doesn't seem to be much documentation on the subject (official anyway) |
| 17:04.53 | rudi_s | thewanderer1: Hm, can't find it there. |
| 17:04.55 | Char | Mail/File server |
| 17:05.06 | Miesco | Okay here is the package glut-doc, where is the docs?: http://pastebin.com/V8bEjU32 |
| 17:05.21 | xk | how many messages per day? |
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| 17:05.46 | Leoneof | rudi_s: maybe download from ubuntu repos. :/ |
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| 17:06.02 | rudi_s | Leoneof: Hm, I don't like mixing distros. |
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| 17:06.27 | Char | bzrk: why do you recommend raid 6? I have four drive bays, and plan to use 1tb disks |
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| 17:06.44 | Leoneof | rudi_s: download the source code from ubuntu repos. and compile it :p |
| 17:06.44 | bzrk | Char: rebuild on software raid with large disks takes a while |
| 17:06.53 | xk | because raid345 is suicidal, especially on larger drives. |
| 17:07.02 | rudi_s | Leoneof: Not really better .. but thanks for the suggestion. |
| 17:07.03 | bzrk | Char: and drives from the same batch have a tendency to fail together |
| 17:07.08 | thewanderer1 | rudi_s: oh, sorry, it's in sid now. works on squeeze, though. |
| 17:07.25 | thewanderer1 | (some apt-pinning and you're fine more or less) |
| 17:07.27 | rudi_s | thewanderer1: Ah, debian-multimedia sid? |
| 17:07.32 | bzrk | and since you use desktop drives which fail even more often and cost next to nothing you can save yourself a lot of hassle by going for raid 6 |
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| 17:07.37 | thewanderer1 | rudi_s: no, actually the main repo |
| 17:07.44 | rudi_s | thewanderer1: Ah, great. Thanks. |
| 17:07.45 | thewanderer1 | I haven't been looking for some time :P |
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| 17:08.34 | Miesco | http://pastebin.com/3CCxw1dp -- how is this glut-docs? |
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| 17:09.18 | Char | bzrk: fair enough makes sense, am i better of using raid 10? |
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| 17:09.58 | bzrk | Char: if you need the speed and dont need the space thats an option, on a fileserver its probably not a good idea because you waste lots of space |
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| 17:10.27 | Char | bzrk: yes but as I only have four drive bays, I think it works out the same? |
| 17:10.38 | bzrk | Char: oh yeah in that case it does |
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| 17:11.22 | rudi_s | thewanderer1: Interesting, from the 6.0.1 release: clive Adapt for youtube.com changes - I guess I should have waited for a few hours. Just updated clive and it works :-) |
| 17:11.41 | thewanderer1 | rudi_s: hehe, ok :P |
| 17:12.43 | Char | bzrk: thanks, will go for raid 10 and have the extra speed |
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| 17:15.14 | wolfric | is there anyway to modify the sources of an install after booting from the cd/usb etc |
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| 17:15.28 | wolfric | i want to add in some non free sources to install drives on install |
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| 17:17.22 | tlchack5 | I'm trying to set up an ftp server pointing to the directory /home/website and the login being userftp. This is my config file: http://pastebin.com/gQRmrYub It keeps saying incorrect login when i try to log in but i know the username and password are correct (i've tried both the alias, the userftp account, and my own account and nothing can get in), is there something I am doing wrong? |
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| 17:19.07 | thewanderer1 | guys, is `apt-get source` supposed to break when one package source line has been ignored in the past? |
| 17:19.41 | tarnap | ok... got everything together, thx for the help |
| 17:19.44 | tarnap | l8ers |
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| 17:19.51 | thewanderer1 | I have an invalid entry in sources.list. on update it tells me that some entries have been skipped, and binary packages work, while apt-get source breaks with a fat ugly error |
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| 17:20.38 | tlchack5 | thewanderer1: what is the error? |
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| 17:21.01 | thewanderer1 | E: Unable to open file /var/lib/apt/lists/volatile.debian.org_debian-volatile_dists_squeeze_volatile_main_source_Sources - open (2: No such file or directory) |
| 17:21.35 | thewanderer1 | it breaks `apt-get source` until I remove the offending line from sources.list - looks like the program is making some happy assumptions |
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| 17:22.43 | thewanderer1 | guys, I need to compile an OpenVZ kernel in Debian |
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| 17:23.21 | tlchack5 | thewanderer1: A quick google search turned up this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=571660 it is in german although it is the error you are getting. To find the line ctrl-f /var/lib/apt/lists/volatile.debian.org_debian-volatile_dists_squeeze_volatile_main_source_Sources - open |
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| 17:23.55 | thewanderer1 | tlchack5: great, I was just making sure it's a bug :P |
| 17:24.30 | thewanderer1 | `apt-get source linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64-openvz` is pretty useless... only gives me the unpatched source. how to get the OpenVZ'ed source? |
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| 17:25.08 | fantasticulous | hi guys how can i check whether my cpu can do 64 bits? it's an Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU E1400 @ 2.00GHz |
| 17:26.19 | fantasticulous | hm the intel page says instruction set: 64 bit so i'll try to boot a 64 bit live cd |
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| 17:26.26 | fantasticulous | but which live cd do i download? amd64? |
| 17:26.32 | _stefanos_ | http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=35101 |
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| 17:26.44 | _stefanos_ | fantasticulous... |
| 17:27.03 | _stefanos_ | amd64 is for AMD processors obviously!!! |
| 17:27.19 | tlchack5 | ^.^ |
| 17:27.23 | fantasticulous | somehow i thought it was the name of the instruction set on intel as well |
| 17:27.31 | fantasticulous | the other alternative being ia64 |
| 17:27.41 | _stefanos_ | It's like going to Bill Gates and give him your GNU / Linux Debian PC and telling him "fix it please" |
| 17:28.10 | fantasticulous | AMD64 has been an officially supported Debian architecture since the release of Debian 4.0 (etch). |
| 17:28.10 | fantasticulous | The port consists of a kernel for all AMD 64bit CPUs with AMD64 extension and all Intel CPUs with EM64T extension, and a common 64bit userspace. |
| 17:28.30 | Urtie_ | fantasticulous: If you have the "lm" flag in /proc/cpuinfo, it's 64-bit, afaik |
| 17:28.48 | fantasticulous | lm flag present |
| 17:28.55 | fantasticulous | http://www.tech-faq.com/em64t-intel-64.html |
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| 17:28.57 | fantasticulous | there we g |
| 17:28.59 | fantasticulous | go* |
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| 17:29.03 | fantasticulous | _stefanos_: looks like i was right |
| 17:29.17 | _stefanos_ | well i don't use 64 |
| 17:29.19 | _stefanos_ | so i cannot help |
| 17:29.40 | _stefanos_ | and amd it's obvious enough to be Intel's competitor |
| 17:29.47 | _stefanos_ | i don't know why they named it like this |
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| 17:30.20 | Urtie_ | Because AMD came up with the instruction set extension, and it was in use for some time before Intel even came out with a "copy". |
| 17:30.24 | fantasticulous | _stefanos_: someone told me that amd64 somehow conquered the market so intel was forced to use it |
| 17:30.40 | _stefanos_ | to use what? |
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| 17:30.46 | fantasticulous | the amd64 instruction set |
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| 17:31.02 | _stefanos_ | i don't know anything about it |
| 17:31.20 | fantasticulous | well now you do |
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| 17:32.11 | m314 | What difference does the debian stable point releases make? Just updated iso's or..? |
| 17:32.14 | thewanderer1 | okay, I have the kernel source in /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.32 and kernel patches in /usr/src/linux-patches/all/2.6.32... how to change the flavour to openvz and build the kernel exactly like I find it in the official packages? |
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| 17:32.52 | yebyen | hey! does anyone notice that the versions of zfs-fuse and zfsutils are out of sync, across squeeze from x86 to x86-kfreebsd? |
| 17:33.05 | Urtie_ | Does anybody know why my local sbuild that I'm playing with is failing to build the kernel package from squeeze, with a whole bunch of "Read-only file system"-errors? Other packages build fine. I'm using LVM, btw. I have never rebuilt a kernel package before, so I am obviously missing something. |
| 17:33.15 | yebyen | so badly that i can't import my x86 linux zfs pools into kfreebsd |
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| 17:34.27 | thewanderer1 | there's no documentation for linux-source package :( |
| 17:35.06 | Urtie_ | m314: The stable release is the one that gets security updates in a timely manner. They tend to end up in unstable too, but there's no guarantee it will happen quickly. Sometimes builds might break in unstable due to dependencies, sometimes the archive is being reorganized and so on. |
| 17:35.31 | _stefanos_ | there's seems to be an issue with upgrade from squeeze to wheezy. Apache does not start even though says is does |
| 17:35.36 | saturne | hello. i've a problem with xrdp. when i change computer for the connexion, impossible to connect, he always said "login failed". I must restart xrdp and my session is killed :(. so, i connect to succeful, but when i change the computer for conenction, same problem...... Have you an idea to resolve this problem? |
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| 17:39.23 | m314 | Urtie_: I know, but what's the difference between 6.0.0 and 6.0.1, when stable gets security updates all the time anyway? |
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| 17:40.09 | Urtie_ | m314: They also incorporate proposed-updates into point releases. It's mainly so the ISOs aren't full or security issues and bugs that have long since been fixed. |
| 17:40.45 | m314 | Ah, okay |
| 17:40.49 | m314 | thx |
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| 17:48.42 | thewanderer1 | I've installed linux-source-2.6.32. what I get is a kernel-patches/ tree, but no way to apply the patches: there is the openvz patch, but only a .patch.bz2 file, no makefile to apply it. what do I do now? |
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| 17:49.23 | daemonkeeper | I think you might use patch(1) |
| 17:49.27 | thewanderer1 | http://wiki.openvz.org/Compiling_the_OpenVZ_kernel_(the_Debian_way) this doesn't work, too |
| 17:49.36 | thewanderer1 | yes daemonkeeper, but I don't know when |
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| 17:49.51 | thewanderer1 | I want to get the same kernel package that is shipped with linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64-openvz |
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| 17:50.39 | daemonkeeper | Before compiling the kernel, i.e. you take your vanilla source, patch it, build your .config and you should be fine. Can't tell anythin about OpenVZ in particular though. |
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| 17:50.52 | thewanderer1 | yes, but it's the Debianised source |
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| 17:51.07 | thewanderer1 | I have the vanilla and something called kernel-patches/ where there's a makefile: apply/debian |
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| 17:51.31 | daemonkeeper | make-kpkg then? |
| 17:51.41 | thewanderer1 | but I need to apply my own patch before |
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| 17:52.02 | thewanderer1 | so... Debian patches, OpenVZ flavour from the Debianised source and the additional patch |
| 17:52.22 | thewanderer1 | if I only knew how to switch the flavour to the one I want... |
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| 17:53.22 | thewanderer1 | Error: Current revision is not in our list of revisions --- I can't understand this... it's what I get when I run /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/2.6.32/apply/debian |
| 17:53.34 | thewanderer1 | I don't even know what revision it means |
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| 17:54.06 | kblessinggr | I installed php5-xdebug via aptitude, but when I try to start php it complains of "Xdebug MUST be loaded as a Zend extension" , aptitude installed it as extension=xdebug.so in xdebug.ini under conf.d |
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| 17:55.32 | thewanderer1 | also, the package is stateful - it used to work and now it's broken |
| 17:56.03 | thewanderer1 | where does it take the "Current revision" from? |
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| 17:56.33 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: You might want to read the readmes that come with make-kpkg. |
| 17:56.39 | karlpinc | !tell thewanderer1 about readme.debian |
| 17:57.01 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: It's likely your answer is somewhere there or the man page. |
| 17:57.23 | thewanderer1 | haha, I wish it had README.Debian :P |
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| 18:01.58 | thewanderer1 | ok, just what is /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/2.6.32/apply/debian supposed to do? |
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| 18:07.48 | thewanderer1 | ok, the patch package should have some doc... |
| 18:09.07 | phaidros | btw, the solution to the gspca spca1528 issue of mine yesterday can be solved by using the source from here http://moinejf.free.fr/ |
| 18:09.58 | phaidros | robokop: ^^ |
| 18:10.19 | robokop | cool, glad you got it working |
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| 18:23.13 | thewanderer1 | guess what? linux-patch-debian-2.6.32 has no manual :P |
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| 18:26.01 | thewanderer1 | there used to be a way to get a tree with various feature sets, like: openvz, xen, vserver... what was that? |
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| 18:27.41 | Coweater | thewanderer1: the package description states that those won't apply against a vanilla kernel if you're still trying that, use a tarball from the debian archive |
| 18:27.55 | thewanderer1 | I know, I'm doing that |
| 18:28.02 | thewanderer1 | phew. found it finally in the script source... |
| 18:28.16 | thewanderer1 | /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/2.6.32/apply/debian --arch amd64 --featureset openvz ... |
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| 18:29.43 | thewanderer1 | erm... I'm compiling 2.6.32-openvz-amd64 and upon "make oldconfig" I get asked about a few (NEW) options. I used the config from current stable 2.6.32-5-openvz-amd64... it doesn't sound right |
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| 18:37.38 | kyodai | im receiving desktop freezes |
| 18:37.42 | kyodai | not only on debian |
| 18:37.47 | kyodai | but also on fedora |
| 18:37.51 | y7 | does anybody know what the default remote desktop that is installed with debian 6.0 is called? i'm trying to read the man on it but i can't figure out what to type to pull up the man... i've tried man realvnc, vnc, vncserver, vnc-server, remotedesktop, etc.... anybody know it? |
| 18:38.16 | slie | X11 |
| 18:38.23 | abrotman | y7: there is no default .. |
| 18:38.36 | y7 | well the one that comes installed when you install debian 6.0 |
| 18:38.40 | abrotman | still isn't one |
| 18:38.47 | abrotman | gnome? kde? |
| 18:38.49 | y7 | so when i vnc into the machine, what am i vncing into? |
| 18:38.57 | y7 | gnome |
| 18:38.59 | kyodai | funny thing is that when the screen saver activates and locks the screen, later i can unlock and work again |
| 18:39.04 | kyodai | without problems |
| 18:39.07 | slie | y7: throw it out the window |
| 18:39.16 | abrotman | slie: not helpful |
| 18:39.31 | abrotman | y7: vino i think |
| 18:39.51 | y7 | ty abrotman |
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| 18:40.35 | rsr | Hello |
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| 18:42.13 | jlmjans | i have created i VM image with g4l... The image boots stop with: begin: Waiting for root file system. Can somebody help me out here? |
| 18:42.25 | owen1 | is debian not good fit for laptops? if ubuntu is usually ok, why would it be different on debian? |
| 18:42.41 | abrotman | owen1: i have it on my main laptop and my netbook .. works just fine |
| 18:43.15 | owen1 | abrotman: did u use choose 'laptop' on the installation? |
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| 18:43.34 | abrotman | probably not .. but i've been using debian for some time |
| 18:44.07 | casualuser | hello everybody! ) |
| 18:44.22 | dfdfsdf | hi, about iptables, in the input chain do i need to put my drop rules before i do any forwarding and masquerade? or it doesn't matter |
| 18:44.31 | abrotman | dr nick?! |
| 18:44.46 | abrotman | dfdfsdf: #netfilter is probably a better plcae to ask |
| 18:44.54 | dfdfsdf | aa ok |
| 18:44.57 | dfdfsdf | thnks |
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| 18:45.43 | casualuser | can someone help me with troubleshooting why gprs ppp connection doesn't appear in network manager as mobile phone is connected? |
| 18:46.26 | kyodai | casualuser: there is a package in the cd |
| 18:46.37 | kyodai | i think its called pppoeconf |
| 18:46.45 | kyodai | search synaptic |
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| 18:47.44 | jlmjans | i have created i VM image with g4l... The image boots stops with: begin: Waiting for root file system. Can somebody help me out here? |
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| 18:48.52 | casualuser | kyodai: just installed but not the case |
| 18:49.24 | project2501a | hey guys, i am trying to start mysql, but it fails. i am checking /var/log/syslog, but nothing is showing up. any clues how to turn on the log, please? |
| 18:50.25 | kyodai | thats how i got my dsl connection |
| 18:50.48 | project2501a | that's how godzilla was born |
| 18:50.59 | nkuttler | project2501a: /var/log/mysql.err |
| 18:51.23 | casualuser | let me became more clear - in "mobile broadband" connections list connections displayed but as phone became connected there is no any changes occurs in available connections |
| 18:52.07 | project2501a | nkuttler: damn, what is it doing there? |
| 18:52.14 | project2501a | is it supposed to be under /var/log/mysql ? |
| 18:52.36 | project2501a | is it not, even |
| 18:53.45 | rsr | casualuser: Gprs is more complicated. Not sure if pppoeconf will do the tick |
| 18:53.47 | iluminator101 | i have this error please help thanks in advance http://tinypaste.com/a46d3f |
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| 18:54.33 | abrotman | it tells you the problem |
| 18:54.53 | casualuser | lsusb show that phone is connected so that's ok |
| 18:54.53 | casualuser | as I remember in ubuntu available network connections extends with ppp as phone connected but in my debian it seems somehow differ |
| 18:54.53 | casualuser | so I'm trying to figure out if it's my local configuration problem or possibly bug in debian network manager |
| 18:54.53 | rsr | Ive seem 3g modems appear in mobile broadband but not gprs or edge |
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| 18:55.00 | rsr | Never tried them |
| 18:56.06 | casualuser | rsr: 3g-edge-gprs - the same mobile broadband connections type |
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| 18:56.20 | rsr | Really |
| 18:56.33 | rsr | So maybe youre hardware isnt supported |
| 18:56.42 | rsr | Have you researched that? |
| 18:57.05 | rsr | What type of phone or modem... |
| 18:57.45 | casualuser | rsr: with ubuntu and the same hw it works as it should |
| 18:57.53 | rsr | Hmmm |
| 18:58.10 | casualuser | rsr: that's the question ) |
| 18:58.29 | rsr | Hmm |
| 18:59.07 | rsr | I would research any debian quirks related to that hardware |
| 18:59.12 | casualuser | if it's somehow configuration issue then I want to found out what's the case |
| 18:59.13 | casualuser | if it's debian ppp network manager issue then we can make debian a little better ) |
| 18:59.15 | rsr | Starting by the forums |
| 18:59.22 | y7 | does vino-server have a manual for it? i've tried searching google and can't find anything... anybody? |
| 18:59.28 | rsr | It could be |
| 19:00.37 | casualuser | anybody have any idea how network manager getting info about available connections? |
| 19:01.22 | MrFrood | dhcp? |
| 19:01.58 | MrFrood | !dhcp |
| 19:01.58 | dpkg | [dhcp] Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. Ask me about <dhcp client>. |
| 19:02.37 | rsr | Anyone run debian on apple hardware? |
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| 19:03.00 | rsr | Ismit workable? |
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| 19:03.59 | tlchack5 | When I try to install phpmyadmin it tries to set itself up for lighttpd (says lighttpd not installed, skipping)... I have apache2 installed... How do I get it to configure itself for apache? |
| 19:04.19 | casualuser | MrFrood: I mean how n-m detect if interface available/up an there is available connection. I have great exp in networking so it's not dhcp service ) |
| 19:04.57 | casualuser | !network manager |
| 19:04.57 | dpkg | NetworkManager is a network management framework daemon. See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian for setup instructions and ask me about <nm squeeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager http://live.gnome.org/DarrenAlbers/NetworkManagerFAQ http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/ #nm on irc.freenode.net. See also <wireless connection managers>. |
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| 19:05.57 | casualuser | hmmm, there is exists #nm ! )) |
| 19:06.28 | MrFrood | could be worth a visit |
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| 19:06.48 | nikhatzi | hello people. i just installed apache2 but don't have /etc/apache2 folder |
| 19:06.49 | nikhatzi | any idea? |
| 19:07.06 | Ziber | make it? |
| 19:07.18 | Ziber | or locate apache2.conf |
| 19:07.20 | nikhatzi | but... shouldn't apache create the folder as usual? |
| 19:07.24 | project2501a | right. i have to upgrade the system table for mysql. trouble is i cannot find mysql_ugprade |
| 19:07.29 | Ziber | it should, yes. never seen that before. |
| 19:08.07 | nikhatzi | is there any command to let apache configure itself? |
| 19:08.15 | Ziber | dpkg-reconfigure apache2, maybe? |
| 19:08.20 | nikhatzi | let me check |
| 19:08.22 | project2501a | nikhatzi: not as you think |
| 19:08.36 | nikhatzi | Ziber, didn't work |
| 19:08.39 | abrotman | nikhatzi: someone removed the files manually |
| 19:08.42 | abrotman | !tell nikhatzi about confmiss |
| 19:08.51 | abrotman | nikhatzi: the package is apache2.2-common |
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| 19:11.43 | project2501a | hoho |
| 19:11.47 | project2501a | i think i got it |
| 19:11.51 | project2501a | missed a package |
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| 19:16.14 | nikhatzi | how can i remove completely apache2 and it's modules? |
| 19:17.04 | daemonkeeper | You either mean apt-get remove or purge |
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| 19:18.38 | abrotman | someone removed conf files manually ... |
| 19:19.27 | AthomIk | multiseat at home have a great problems : Too much of cables |
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| 19:22.37 | nikhatzi | the problem is that if i remove apache2, only apache2 is removed and not all of its dependencies |
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| 19:32.55 | AthomIk | i can create an lvm vg or volume in tmpfs ? |
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| 19:34.37 | kyodai | how to install flash player? |
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| 19:36.01 | project2501a | kyodai: hai . apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 19:36.08 | project2501a | dojo |
| 19:36.31 | MrFrood | kyodai: enable contrib nad non-free in your sources.list |
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| 19:37.42 | MrFrood | project2501a: isn't aptitude more fun :P |
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| 19:38.00 | kyodai | MrFroof: i dont have non-free in the repos |
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| 19:38.13 | dvs | kyodai: so add it in sources.list |
| 19:38.15 | project2501a | MrFrood: hell no. |
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| 19:39.12 | project2501a | MrFrood: if i wanted a gui i would go to... fedora. |
| 19:39.15 | project2501a | (not ubuntu) |
| 19:39.22 | kyodai | ok i installed it, and it doesent work on opera |
| 19:39.31 | MrFrood | kyodai: su -c 'pico /etc/apt/sources.list' |
| 19:39.32 | project2501a | kyodai: dozo restart opera |
| 19:39.38 | babilen | project2501a: aptitude works just fine on the command line |
| 19:39.47 | MrFrood | works here in Opera |
| 19:40.17 | MrFrood | as does geko-player |
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| 19:43.03 | kyodai | http://pastebin.com/td4PaTHi |
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| 19:43.43 | dvs | kyodai: non-free is not on the last line |
| 19:43.47 | MrFrood | babilen: I'm an aptitude user myself it's project2501a who has odd tastes in package managers .... <whistles and waits for someone to suggest off-topic> |
| 19:44.05 | kyodai | whats the url? |
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| 19:44.48 | dvs | kyodai: line 18 is the URL. It literally needs the word "non-free" at the end. |
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| 19:47.56 | MrFrood | kyodai: dvs: I think you need to add contrib |
| 19:48.01 | kyodai | new error http://pastebin.com/RASMcREq |
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| 19:53.37 | Qation | Hey, I've been using arch linux and it hasn't been working out very well on my netbook so I'm going to use debian. I just want to know if I remove my desktop enviorment, will I just boot into a shell? Like in arch before you install X? |
| 19:53.42 | MrFrood | kyodai: http://pastebin.com/me6NY2rY is what your lines should look like |
| 19:54.05 | abrotman | Qation: it should, yes |
| 19:54.09 | Qation | Okay |
| 19:54.17 | dvs | MrFrood: no security? |
| 19:54.25 | Qation | Yeah I think i'll use openbox instead of a DE |
| 19:54.51 | Qation | I'll start with xfce though |
| 19:54.56 | Qation | I havn't really ever used it |
| 19:55.16 | MrFrood | dvs: not my full list - just trying to give an example |
| 19:55.52 | MrFrood | Qation: start with openbox |
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| 19:56.04 | Posterdati | hi |
| 19:56.09 | Qation | Is there an option in the install? |
| 19:56.17 | Posterdati | wow there are a lot of updates today on squeeze :) |
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| 19:56.27 | dvs | Posterdati: Debian 6.0.1 |
| 19:56.42 | MrFrood | Qation: no |
| 19:56.45 | SparFux | Hello. How can I directly print to a printer supporting ipp without having to use cups? |
| 19:56.57 | Qation | Is this the stable version? http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 19:57.00 | thewanderer1 | SparFux: cups-client ? |
| 19:57.18 | MrFrood | SparFux: have you checked lpr? |
| 19:57.19 | abrotman | lp? |
| 19:57.23 | dvs | Qation: yes |
| 19:57.29 | Qation | Oh |
| 19:57.45 | Qation | I think I want to use squeeze actually |
| 19:57.47 | SparFux | MrFrood: but don't lpr and cups-cloient talk to a cups server? |
| 19:57.49 | dvs | 8-track |
| 19:58.10 | thewanderer1 | guys, every now and then I get this SDL bug: the mouse is stuck in the top left corner, I can't move it and no input works. surprisingly, Esc key is the only thing that works... |
| 19:58.28 | kyodai | another error http://img218.imageshack.us/i/screenshotth.png/ |
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| 19:58.37 | thewanderer1 | I have to reboot or reload KDM and NVIDIA kernel module for it to be fixed |
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| 19:58.51 | Qation | My touchpad doesn't work at all, but it didn't with arch so It's probably the newest kernel or something |
| 20:00.13 | MrFrood | SparFux: I could well be wrong but I thought lp & lpr could be configured without cups |
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| 20:03.39 | SparFux | MrFrood: I even tried: cat file.ps | netcat <host> <port> but it doesn't print. I think soemthing could be broken :-( |
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| 20:04.26 | MrFrood | SparFux: try asking in ##linux if no one can help here |
| 20:05.20 | thewanderer1 | SparFux: IPP != postscript support; in fact you would be very lucky if your printer managed to print from postscript |
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| 20:05.48 | karmatronic | hey guys! |
| 20:06.28 | SparFux | thewanderer1: it can print postscript :-) that's a nice printer, he? :-P |
| 20:07.10 | thewanderer1 | then you need to speak IPP anyway :P |
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| 20:07.15 | SparFux | thewanderer1: the test page says: "Built-in PostScript3 emulation" :-D |
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| 20:08.48 | thewanderer1 | ok, configure cups-client or lpr. now excuse me while I go and frag some Skaarj |
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| 20:10.23 | kyodai | flash in srware iron is working |
| 20:10.42 | kyodai | its recognized in firefox but doesent work |
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| 20:11.05 | kyodai | on opera its not working at all |
| 20:12.12 | delby | hi. i have one machine with squeeze/sid dual boot. when i reboot from sid, it reboots directly to itself without showing grub menu. is that normal? |
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| 20:13.49 | y7 | what's it mean when the man file tells me the config file is in $HOME/.vnc/xstartup.... where can i find $HOME? |
| 20:14.20 | jelly-home | y7: $HOME is an environment variable specifying your home directory. |
| 20:14.21 | A[p][s][162] | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.34 | y7 | home directory for root or for the user? |
| 20:14.49 | jelly-home | y7: the user running the command |
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| 20:14.52 | A[p][s][162] | ON => |
| 20:15.15 | A[p][s][162] | as |
| 20:15.39 | y7 | jelly-home, when i go to my home directory, and i try cd .vnc, it tells me .vnc doesn't exist though |
| 20:16.08 | jelly-home | A[p][s][162]: you seem to be pasting crap onto the channel, please fix your client |
| 20:16.42 | y7 | ls -a also doesn't show any .vnc anywhere |
| 20:16.45 | jelly-home | y7: so it doesn't exist yet, that's normal if you haven't run that app so far or if it doesn't create the config file automatically |
| 20:17.04 | y7 | ah, ok, i'll try and figure out how to run the file. thx for the help |
| 20:17.11 | jelly-home | y7: feel free to mkdir ~/.vnc |
| 20:17.34 | y7 | but even if i make that directory, the file i wanna configure won't exist???/ |
| 20:17.40 | y7 | so what's the point in creating the dir? |
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| 20:17.46 | jelly-home | no, but you'll be able to create it then ;-) |
| 20:18.38 | A[p][s][162] | Bye |
| 20:18.48 | aps | =) |
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| 20:20.58 | AthomIk | have you the name for embedded debian channel ? |
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| 20:22.13 | Qation | Anyone know which kernel synaptics touchpads still work on? |
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| 20:23.00 | AthomIk | Qation: i think i have this on lenny |
| 20:23.14 | Qation | What do you mean? |
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| 20:24.25 | Qation | I should do the earliest one right? |
| 20:25.33 | AthomIk | Qation: no, i think you do to configure xorg.conf |
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| 20:25.56 | Qation | Do you know how? |
| 20:26.05 | Qation | so I can just do the latest kernel |
| 20:28.59 | Qation | AthomIk: Are you sure about that because I tried changing the xorg.conf a little before but I didn't have any sucess |
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| 20:29.53 | AthomIk | Qation: if you change xorg.conf i thik you must kill autodetec and paste you re config |
| 20:30.26 | Qation | Okay well I havn't installed it yet so should I just choose the latest kernel then? |
| 20:30.45 | AthomIk | Qation: see this http://pastebin.com/qAC9kT5p |
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| 20:31.16 | Qation | Okay I'll just use the recommended kernel then and try that after its installed |
| 20:31.45 | AthomIk | in "ServerFlags" i kill all autodetect |
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| 20:33.41 | AthomIk | Qation: after search for you re synaptic config |
| 20:35.12 | garotosopa | Hi. Does anybody happen to have used rsync + encfs successfully? I kept getting Operation not permitted errors while setting mtime so I just disabled mtime sync. I was wondering if it's a bug. |
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| 20:57.03 | SparFux | thewanderer1: just want to report, I don't need direct ipp printing anymore, because I found out about the problem with cups: printer was out of paper :-P |
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| 21:05.50 | thewanderer1 | haha |
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| 21:09.54 | SparFux | :-) |
| 21:10.06 | SparFux | Took me half the day to find out. :-P |
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| 21:12.45 | mns | How do I figure out which packages got installed as recommendations from aptitude ? Maybe with dpkg-query or dpkg ? |
| 21:13.19 | owen1 | (netinst + xorg) is there a way to have dvorak layout without installing gnome/xfce? |
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| 21:13.55 | mns | owen1: you could use xmodmap |
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| 21:14.58 | SparFux | owen1: setxkbmap |
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| 21:15.25 | owen1 | mns: SparFux : googling.. |
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| 21:16.22 | SparFux | owen1: I think it's "setxkbmap us(dvorak)" but I am not sure. |
| 21:16.30 | owen1 | SparFux: yes. works! |
| 21:16.40 | mns | I think setxkbmap is a modern way to go about it rather then the ancient xmodmap I'm used to. |
| 21:16.42 | SparFux | owen1: aptitude install x11-xkb-utils |
| 21:16.54 | SparFux | mns: yes, that's right. |
| 21:17.13 | jair | hello guys I have two linux laptops, both identical nvidia card: nVidia Corporation GT216 [Quadro FX 880M] one of them shows 1920x1080 and the other one the max resolution is: 1600x900 why is that? |
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| 21:17.35 | owen1 | SparFux: i don't think i need to install anything. it looks good so far |
| 21:17.38 | jair | how can I make the second laptop have the max resolution of 1920x1080? |
| 21:17.52 | SparFux | owen1: yes, I think it gets installed by default. Just in case it wasn't I mentioned. :-) |
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| 21:18.13 | jair | on laptop 2 I am using the latest nvidia native driver |
| 21:18.34 | jair | the laptop 1 is using a previous version of the native nvidia driver. |
| 21:19.03 | SparFux | jair: what is a native driver? |
| 21:19.05 | ace0x2a | I got some issues while i tried to install git-daemon-run. now i tried an safe-upgrade and get this output http://dpaste.com/518704/ |
| 21:19.55 | jair | SparFux: the driver provided by nvidia |
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| 21:20.23 | jair | for the video card I have running in a 64bit linux laptop debian squeeze: nVidia Corporation GT216 [Quadro FX 880M] |
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| 21:22.20 | Linux_Time | hm, how can i connect Points? :/ |
| 21:23.04 | ace0x2a | no one an idea? |
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| 21:24.03 | Linux_Time | (wrong window) |
| 21:24.11 | SparFux | jair: are you using 3D? |
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| 21:25.29 | cinix_ | I added a deb-src line to my sources.list so I could compile a package from testing on stable. I'd like it when I type apt-get source that it usually grabs from stable unless I tell it to get from testing, but as of right now it doesn't. My preferences file looks like http://pastebin.com/j5wd2QyB Is there a way to pin deb-src lines? |
| 21:25.43 | oobe | Hi i configured sudo for my user but it doesnt recognise the executables in my home directory ~/bin how do i set the path for sudoers |
| 21:26.00 | ace0x2a | I solved it! |
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| 21:29.42 | magicianlord | is d6 lxde edition worth it vs. gnome |
| 21:30.33 | babilen | mns: Are you looking for something like: aptitude search '!?reverse-depends(~i) ~M' ? |
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| 21:31.37 | babilen | magicianlord: That really depends on your own needs and preferences. LXDE is a fine desktop enviroment and worth a try. Note that you can easily install *any* desktop environment or window manager later. |
| 21:31.54 | magicianlord | i'm familiar with lxde extensively |
| 21:32.06 | magicianlord | i just tend to see not much difference in modern powercomputing vs gnome |
| 21:32.09 | magicianlord | othe than preference |
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| 21:32.33 | babilen | magicianlord: Why shouldn't it be worth it or what do you mean? |
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| 21:34.04 | jmarsden | magicianlord: On a quad-core 12GB modern monster PC, using GNOME is fine. On an elderly PII with 192MB ... I'd prefer LXDE :) It all depends on what "worth it" means in your context. |
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| 21:34.37 | magicianlord | i mean that it doesnt look as good or is not as integrated as gnome. and you use lxde for speed. if the speed is not signficiantly faster, then what is the point |
| 21:35.12 | magicianlord | debian wouldnt run on 128mb |
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| 21:35.29 | magicianlord | lxde saves only 40mb of ram vs gnome |
| 21:35.34 | jair | SparFux: no |
| 21:35.44 | magicianlord | i've tested it |
| 21:35.52 | zgedneil | I had debian running on 128MB as recently as last week |
| 21:35.58 | SparFux | jair: the nouveau graphics driver is fully gpl and works well for 2D. |
| 21:36.14 | magicianlord | with openbox? |
| 21:36.21 | MrFrood | magicianlord: squeeze will run on 48mb ram |
| 21:36.26 | oobe | Hi i configured sudo for my user but it doesnt recognise the executables in my home directory ~/bin how do i set the path for sudoers |
| 21:36.27 | zgedneil | your statement didn't mentioned openbox |
| 21:36.35 | jair | SparFux: now I configured the nvidia driver to use 1920x1080 but then looks like the screen is too big for the size of the monitor I have to move the mouse all the way to the edge =( |
| 21:36.38 | MrFrood | magicianlord: and lenny 32mb ram |
| 21:36.40 | dArK_IcE | jmarsden you should not use any gui library :D |
| 21:37.31 | zgedneil | this was without any GNOME or KDE rubbish, but firefox was running for example |
| 21:37.39 | jair | SparFux: the nouveau driver does not work well with this machine when I am trying to project it (using a projector) to presentations |
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| 21:37.57 | MrFrood | startx iceweasel :) |
| 21:38.08 | magicianlord | MrFrood: with what gui |
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| 21:38.16 | MrFrood | none |
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| 21:38.32 | magicianlord | you need a window manager |
| 21:38.36 | magicianlord | x and what |
| 21:38.37 | zgedneil | everyone should just use twm anyway |
| 21:38.46 | MrFrood | startx with iceweasel - nothing else |
| 21:39.02 | zgedneil | bit awkward not using any wm at all |
| 21:39.27 | zgedneil | though if you were doing that you'd do X rather than startx |
| 21:39.37 | MrFrood | Opera is better for that as it handels its own windows |
| 21:40.09 | MrFrood | so no issues with pop up windows |
| 21:40.35 | zgedneil | I can't help thinking firefox's popup blocker is inadequate |
| 21:40.39 | MrFrood | e.g. iplayer for test match special |
| 21:40.53 | zgedneil | firefox pops stuff up all the time :-) |
| 21:41.03 | MrFrood | addbock |
| 21:41.12 | zgedneil | (whoosh) |
| 21:41.32 | MrFrood | or even better add a blocking list to your hosts file |
| 21:41.38 | magicianlord | firefox is boring now. you know |
| 21:41.38 | zgedneil | ahem |
| 21:41.42 | zgedneil | firefox's own windows |
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| 21:41.47 | zgedneil | kind of a joke thing, you see |
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| 21:42.24 | zgedneil | magicianlord: everything is boring, I'm ahead of the curve |
| 21:42.26 | MrFrood | but seriously no wm is the way to go :) |
| 21:42.43 | MrFrood | on challanged systems |
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| 21:43.01 | magicianlord | yes, it's boring when you are genious |
| 21:43.09 | zgedneil | maybe twm has bloated horribly lately but I'm pretty sure that was reasonably slimline the last time I tried it |
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| 21:44.48 | MrFrood | giggles |
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| 21:46.22 | casts | if you're going to be running a ff/opera you might as well run a WM, it'll take up 1/20th of the resources of your web browser.. |
| 21:46.26 | dagobart | Hi, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ says "Debian 6.0.1 was released March 19th, 2011". That's today. Did I miss something? I thought it was like a month ago... |
| 21:46.31 | zgedneil | I used to run X on a 4MB machine, now my shell uses more than that :-) |
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| 21:46.39 | casts | dagobart: .1 |
| 21:46.41 | magicianlord | 6.0.1 is out? |
| 21:47.01 | dagobart | casts, o I see |
| 21:47.24 | MrFrood | casts: but I only use X foe awkward web pages |
| 21:47.35 | MrFrood | foe=for |
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| 21:48.36 | MrFrood | and I only use web-pages when I can't find what I want on gopher |
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| 21:48.54 | zgedneil | which you access with netcat |
| 21:49.03 | MrFrood | lynx |
| 21:49.07 | zgedneil | wimp |
| 21:49.10 | simonrvn | dagobart: the point release |
| 21:49.14 | MrFrood | I know |
| 21:49.28 | magicianlord | is 6.0.1 out? |
| 21:49.30 | zgedneil | we should still be whistling the ones and zeroes frankly |
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| 21:49.38 | dagobart | simonrvn: casts pointed it out |
| 21:49.49 | simonrvn | i saw, too late =) |
| 21:50.15 | MrFrood | BTW next month is 20 years of gopher |
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| 21:51.02 | zgedneil | I'm not sure it really counts if it spent 15 years of it dead |
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| 21:52.43 | dagobart | Hm, where did the lenny->squeeze upgrade howto go to? can't find it.. |
| 21:53.02 | dvs | !tell dagobart about lenny->squeeze |
| 21:53.11 | MrFrood | still an active community - even a channel here on freenode (waits for someone to mention off-topic) |
| 21:53.25 | magicianlord | try #debian-offtopic |
| 21:53.40 | zgedneil | yay |
| 21:53.45 | dagobart | thank, dvs |
| 21:53.57 | zgedneil | I'm not sure there's any channel gopher wouldn't be offtopic on |
| 21:54.30 | MrFrood | #gopherproject |
| 21:54.41 | zgedneil | probably frowned upon there even |
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| 21:55.14 | MrFrood | most of the time - anyway I'm in off-topic |
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| 21:56.48 | simonrvn | zgedneil: less noise, more quiet |
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| 21:57.41 | dvs | dagobart: np |
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| 21:59.00 | pushpop- | how do I make sure the network installer installs 32bit instead of 64? |
| 21:59.30 | zgedneil | simonrvn: I have taken it to offtopic you will be beside yourself to hear |
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| 22:00.11 | dagobart | dvs, ah will ssh survive the upgrade? Or should I avoid doing it via ssh? |
| 22:01.08 | ompaul | the session should survive however if it gets hupped you can always dial in again ssh -C me@there etc |
| 22:02.02 | ompaul | dagobart: you could also do your upgrade in a screen session it will be there when you come back :) |
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| 22:02.14 | rudi_s | pushpop-: Use the 32bit netinstaller. |
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| 22:03.20 | dagobart | ompaul: i see, though yet wandered over to the box to just trigger the upgrade there |
| 22:03.28 | pushpop- | ok I thought the network install had both 32 and 64bit on it |
| 22:03.34 | pushpop- | thanks rudi_s |
| 22:04.12 | rudi_s | pushpop-: No. There's one for i386 and for amd64. |
| 22:04.22 | rudi_s | (i386 = 32 bit, amd64 = 64 bit). |
| 22:04.25 | dvs | dagobart: the install recommends against using ssh during the upgrade. |
| 22:04.26 | magicianlord | there is a combination iso, rudi |
| 22:04.36 | magicianlord | my net install crashes |
| 22:04.39 | rudi_s | magicianlord: As netinstall? Didn't know that. |
| 22:04.55 | magicianlord | yes |
| 22:05.07 | magicianlord | debian-6.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 22:05.31 | rudi_s | Interesting. |
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| 22:06.44 | magicianlord | just like the arch linux combo installer |
| 22:07.33 | dagobart | is there a way to pick up what's going on on /dev/tty somehow? It's a bit lame to walk over to the box every few minutes just to see how it is going |
| 22:08.11 | mordocai | So, after applying the latest debian testing updates my proprietary nvidia drivers stopped working. Now, I notice (from lsmod) that nouveau is loaded in addition to nvidia. I would assume this is the issue. In /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-common.conf nouveau is blacklisted, but this obviously isn't working. Is there a better/another way to blacklist it? |
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| 22:08.41 | magicianlord | mordocai: /etc/moprobe.d/blacklist.conf |
| 22:08.50 | magicianlord | blacklist nouveau |
| 22:09.03 | mordocai | magicianlord: Yeah, did that and did update-initramfs -u and it didn't help |
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| 22:09.13 | magicianlord | it should stop it |
| 22:09.17 | magicianlord | or you can remove noveau |
| 22:10.22 | Mr_Queue | join #kfreebsd |
| 22:10.25 | Mr_Queue | shit. |
| 22:10.35 | Mr_Queue | anyone know what channel it actually is? |
| 22:10.39 | casts | isn't it gnu-kbsd |
| 22:10.46 | Mr_Queue | debian's. |
| 22:10.47 | casts | nope... |
| 22:10.50 | casts | thinks |
| 22:10.50 | Mr_Queue | humm. |
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| 22:11.04 | zgedneil | dagobart: if it's a console you could try keeping an eye on e.g. /dev/vcs1 |
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| 22:11.37 | casts | #debian-kbsd on irc.debian.org |
| 22:11.43 | Mr_Queue | ahh... |
| 22:11.47 | casts | used to be on fn.. |
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| 22:11.53 | Mr_Queue | That's what I thought too.. |
| 22:12.17 | Mr_Queue | I'm curious how it's being received. ZFS alone might be worth the move. :) |
| 22:12.21 | mordocai | magicianlord: Alright, i removed xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, we'll see if that helps. Thanks. |
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| 22:19.53 | sparta | i am installing debian squeeze , is it necessary to allocate swap space? |
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| 22:20.03 | ZitZ | not necessary |
| 22:20.09 | zgedneil | how much RAM? |
| 22:20.12 | dagobart | zgedneil: ah, thanks for the hint |
| 22:20.12 | rudi_s | sparta: But sometimes useful. |
| 22:20.13 | sparta | i have 4 GB RAM |
| 22:20.20 | zgedneil | ... |
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| 22:20.24 | rudi_s | (For hibernation for example.) |
| 22:20.25 | zgedneil | you can probably risk it |
| 22:20.27 | ZitZ | yeah, it could help if you plan on suspend and hibernation |
| 22:20.40 | ddan | i've no swap on a 2gb pc and it works perfectly |
| 22:21.00 | zgedneil | I considered not using swap on a 256MB machine, just for a little perspective |
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| 22:21.11 | zgedneil | (though I did decide against it) |
| 22:21.20 | ddan | i bet lol |
| 22:21.20 | sparta | ok |
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| 22:23.19 | morgonzola | hi there i have a question i'm trying to use x11vnc and a app called hipporemote basic so i can use my ipod touch as a touchpad, but when i get x11vnc running and tell hipporemote to connect to it, it just hangs for a long tim e and does not connect anyways. does anyone know how to get it to connect? |
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| 22:23.41 | djanatyn | Hey, quick question: I just installed Debian, and I went for a minimal install this time (no Desktop Environment) |
| 22:23.53 | djanatyn | I installed xorg, and I've got X running, but I can only run it as root. |
| 22:24.08 | jair | I am installing debian squeeze and I am not sure if I had the option to use ext4 |
| 22:24.12 | jair | is it better? |
| 22:24.45 | ddan | jair, better than what? |
| 22:24.49 | djanatyn | Whenever I try to run it as my normal user, I get "X: user not authorized to run X server, aborting" |
| 22:25.06 | pipeline | djanatyn: that's normal. X has elevated permissions. Use a display manager. (e.g. xdm, gdm, kdm) |
| 22:25.19 | djanatyn | Ah, okay. |
| 22:25.20 | jair | than ext3 |
| 22:25.33 | djanatyn | I'm used to Arch Linux ^_^; |
| 22:25.41 | djanatyn | So I can edit my inittab to have it boot to a display manager? |
| 22:25.49 | pipeline | djanatyn: you don't have to change inittab |
| 22:25.51 | djanatyn | And, it's okay to run my display manager as root? |
| 22:25.53 | ddan | jair, yeah, you would use ext4 |
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| 22:26.03 | jair | ddan: working on it now =) |
| 22:26.03 | pipeline | djanatyn: by default, in debian, runlevels 3, 4, and 5 are identical |
| 22:26.13 | rudi_s | djanatyn: Use startx for example to start X11. |
| 22:26.16 | djanatyn | Ah, interesting. |
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| 22:26.22 | djanatyn | rudi_s: Yep. |
| 22:26.26 | pipeline | djanatyn: it's mandatory to run your dm as root -- X11 has elevated permissions and hte display manager sometimse binds to privileged tcp ports |
| 22:26.28 | Mcl0vin | howdy folks |
| 22:26.37 | rudi_s | And use dpkg-reconfigure x11-common to allow console users to start X11. |
| 22:26.40 | djanatyn | I have an x session running with dwm, but it's running as root |
| 22:26.44 | djanatyn | So, I'm quite sure X is working. |
| 22:26.52 | djanatyn | gdm is installing right now - thanks :) |
| 22:27.06 | rudi_s | djanatyn: No need for gdm to start X11 as non root! |
| 22:27.31 | jair | ddan: if I am configuring a disk 500GB I want to choose two partitions primary "/" 489GB and swap logical 11GB does that sound good? |
| 22:27.52 | jair | ddan: should I put the swap at the end of the disk since is faster? |
| 22:28.16 | dvs | jair: 11GB sounds big for 4GB of RAM. |
| 22:28.22 | AthomIk | jair: swap 11 GB ? |
| 22:28.28 | ddan | jair, thats exaggerated lol |
| 22:28.36 | jair | 16GB ram that's what I have on my IBM w510 =) |
| 22:28.42 | jair | 500GB disk storage |
| 22:29.00 | ddan | jair, i'd put 1gb just cause you've a lot of space |
| 22:29.05 | dvs | jair: Then that's fine |
| 22:29.11 | AthomIk | jair: yes, if you re soft need great swap |
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| 22:29.34 | jair | but what about choose primary and logical partition? |
| 22:29.52 | dvs | jair: doesnt matter. I'd choose logical personally. |
| 22:29.58 | jair | I will choose both as primary they are not logical and I am not intending on adding other partitions |
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| 22:30.11 | ddan | just primary both |
| 22:30.16 | jair | correct |
| 22:30.29 | jair | now swap should be a the end or beginning? |
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| 22:30.35 | BusMaster | i am trying to install debian on an old server whose CD drive is mostly broken. however, i managed to bring the install to a point where i can reach a console and the network is configured with dhcp. now it flatly refuses to read the cd. is there _any_ way I can use the console to install debian off the net? |
| 22:30.41 | benedikt | Is there a debian-nslu2 channel ? |
| 22:30.56 | djanatyn | ... |
| 22:30.59 | djanatyn | wow, that's amusing |
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| 22:31.02 | ddan | jair, doesnt matter, i'd choose the end |
| 22:31.10 | jair | ddan: cool |
| 22:31.15 | jair | ddan: Thank you |
| 22:31.18 | djanatyn | I thought I was installing Chromium (the web browser) but apparently I was installing a game called "Chromium B.S.U." |
| 22:31.18 | ddan | yw |
| 22:31.22 | djanatyn | I was very confused. ;) |
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| 22:31.54 | zgedneil | BusMaster: does it do USB boot? |
| 22:32.03 | Mcl0vin | every time i log in i keep getting this error "The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_GoHome"." do you want to delete the panel from your config |
| 22:32.03 | BusMaster | zgedneil, unfortunately not |
| 22:32.08 | benedikt | hm, i mean of course debian-arm |
| 22:32.14 | jair | awesome! |
| 22:32.31 | Mcl0vin | eith yes or no doesn't change anything |
| 22:32.43 | Mcl0vin | any idea what could be the issue |
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| 22:32.48 | zgedneil | BusMaster: are you far enough that apt-get works yet? |
| 22:32.54 | BusMaster | zgedneil, it has an old cd-rom drive that wheezes and groans and it took multiple attempts before it booted to a point where i get the console.. but now i just get i/o errors |
| 22:33.07 | Mcl0vin | *either |
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| 22:33.26 | BusMaster | zgedneil, apt-get doesn't work.. but i was able to do debootstrap lenny amd64 and it got lot of stuff from the internet |
| 22:34.37 | zgedneil | BusMaster: in principle you can boot from a floppy and use that to boot a USB drive, but on an old machine it probably won't work so I'm not sure what to suggest |
| 22:35.09 | zgedneil | oh, hang on, maybe a hdimage with a grub boot disk |
| 22:35.31 | BusMaster | zgedneil, i see a command called grub-installer |
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| 22:35.37 | zgedneil | no, I mean a floppy disk image really |
| 22:35.48 | BusMaster | zgedneil, but if i run it, it just says 'wrong args: mapdevfs <path> or something like that |
| 22:36.01 | zgedneil | yeah, it probably won't be too happy |
| 22:36.19 | BusMaster | zgedneil, i guess my best bet is to try doing a tftpboot and a network install |
| 22:36.35 | zgedneil | I did this recently though, if you can get a few files onto a partition on the hd, and use a grub boot disk to boot that, you can do a net install that way |
| 22:37.23 | BusMaster | zgedneil, you mean mount the hdd, debootstrap on it and then boot using a grub disk? |
| 22:37.32 | toxboi | BusMaster: but how will you manage to do a tftpboot without a floppy/disk drive? |
| 22:37.49 | BusMaster | toxboi, cross-cable to my laptop? |
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| 22:38.02 | zgedneil | more like use the stuff at e.g. http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 22:38.04 | ymasory | are there plans to bring ubuntu's usb-creator to debian? |
| 22:38.34 | toxboi | BusMaster: I mean, is the tftp client inbuit on your board? |
| 22:39.01 | BusMaster | toxboi, there is an option of a network boot in the bios, if that is the same thing |
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| 22:39.17 | toxboi | BusMaster: ok |
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| 22:40.00 | BusMaster | toxboi, is a pxe boot the same thing? I seem to remember that keyword as well |
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| 22:41.00 | zgedneil | BusMaster: basically just a matter of zcatting boot.img.gz to a partition then using a grub boot disk to boot it |
| 22:41.47 | BusMaster | zgedneil, ok |
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| 22:42.55 | sparta | I have already 3 windows primary partition. Can I create partitions for both / and swap as primary too? |
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| 22:43.18 | zgedneil | I think four is the traditional maximum |
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| 22:45.11 | toxboi | BusMaster: PXE boot uses TFTP to download the bootstrap program |
| 22:45.47 | toxboi | BusMaster: but I doubt if you can use PXE boot in your case |
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| 22:47.01 | BusMaster | toxboi, ok. I guess there is no point trying to salvage the situation then.. might as well abort the install, get a new drive on monday and do the the old-fashioned way. Its just a pity that having a console with internet access still leaves me unable to install debian |
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| 22:47.41 | toxboi | BusMaster: I remember in the past I used a floppy disk to install a TFTP client and then transfered the image from a TFTP server over ethernet. |
| 22:48.04 | toxboi | BusMaster: right! |
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| 22:48.23 | abrotman | debootstrap doesn't work ? |
| 22:48.32 | zgedneil | BusMaster: not unable, you could do it the way I suggested I'm sure :-) |
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| 22:48.50 | BusMaster | abrotman, debootstrap works, but what about installing grub? |
| 22:49.07 | zgedneil | that's literally dd an image to a floppy |
| 22:49.12 | abrotman | can't you chroot into your new install, bindmount /dev/ then instlal grub ? |
| 22:49.25 | BusMaster | zgedneil, yeah, but there is a small problem. the server doesn't have a floppy drive :) just a cd-rom drive |
| 22:49.35 | zgedneil | well you didn't mention that one :-) |
| 22:49.44 | BusMaster | zgedneil, my bad :( |
| 22:49.56 | BusMaster | abrotman, bindmount? |
| 22:50.05 | abrotman | !bind mount |
| 22:50.05 | dpkg | If you want to bind mount a directory somewhere else: mount -t $filesystem --bind /dev /chrooted/system/dev (for example). $filesystem is whatever FS that directory is mounted as, be it tmpfs or jfs or .... read man mount (and do /bind) for details. |
| 22:50.50 | BusMaster | hmm, intersting. I'm going to try this now |
| 22:51.58 | aum | hi - did a dist-upgrade to sid, now shebangs won't work any more - example: http://pastebin.com/iaYp7FPB |
| 22:52.37 | aum | file 'hello.sh' is chmod 755 - when I type "./hello.sh" I get "bash: ./hello.sh: Permission denied" but when i type "bash ./hello.sh" it executes fine |
| 22:55.02 | MrFrood | aum: chmod |
| 22:55.32 | aum | MrFrood: the script is owned by me, mode is 755 |
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| 22:57.58 | MrFrood | at the top of the script does it say bin/sh or bin/bash because the default sh has changed |
| 22:58.01 | abrotman | did you try something besides /bin/bash ? |
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| 23:01.53 | aum | abrotman: all shebangs fail, #!/bin/bash, #!/bin/sh, #!/usr/bin/python2.6 etc |
| 23:02.21 | aum | bash is ignoring the execute permission of my scripts |
| 23:02.36 | abrotman | are you sure it's just your scripts? |
| 23:02.59 | aum | abrotman: bash won't execute any script at all |
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| 23:03.18 | aum | nor will sh |
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| 23:05.21 | MrFrood | have you double checked your ownwership? |
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| 23:06.25 | MrBIOS | hi folks, anybody here familiar with udeb much? I'm having an issue getting the AHCI kernel module, which I'm successfully able to load, to recognize my SATA AHCI device |
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| 23:11.49 | mordocai | Alright, I was in here earlier because my proprietary nvidia driver for debian testing quit working. I did manage to get nouveau to stop loading by uninstalling it but, even though it shows up in lsmod, the nvidia driver still isn't being used(At least, no 3D acceleration and nvidia-settings reports that I'm not using the driver). I've done nvdia-xconfig to have it generate an Xorg config and logged back out/in, but it still isn't working. Any ideas? |
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| 23:12.21 | twinkie_addict | hi |
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| 23:14.20 | babilen | mordocai: Try with an empty xorg.conf and "echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf" |
| 23:14.30 | jnewt_ | can someone point me in the direction to learn how to force permissions on usb devices? |
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| 23:14.43 | jnewt_ | my googling skills seem to be lacking |
| 23:15.31 | AthomIk | jnewt_: why force ? |
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| 23:15.49 | AthomIk | hello babilen |
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| 23:16.09 | babilen | hi |
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| 23:16.38 | AthomIk | i see you speak about nvidia drivers |
| 23:17.09 | AthomIk | i have try the debian methode, but not run, is possible GT 430 is not good with debian nvidia way |
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| 23:17.25 | mordocai | babilen: Alright, if I don't have an xorg.conf.d directory, create it? |
| 23:17.38 | jnewt_ | AthomIk: everytime i plug in a usb device, and try to use it through vbox, i have to run vbox as root to get them to show up. otherwise, they are simply recognized and not accessible. same with the cd-rom, i had to change the permissions to use it. |
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| 23:17.56 | jnewt_ | but i don't want to manually do it every time, |
| 23:19.28 | jnewt_ | or maybe i should modify the group on all devices? everything appears to be 660 root root right now. |
| 23:19.31 | babilen | mordocai: yes, exacrly |
| 23:19.35 | babilen | exactly even :) |
| 23:20.04 | babilen | !tell mordocai -about xorg.conf.d |
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| 23:20.39 | dagobart | dvs: hm, the upgrade worked surprisingly smooth. How can I verify that now I'm really on squeeze? |
| 23:20.53 | AthomIk | because i have some problem, with usb key on multiseat system, i have create udev rules for mount usb key with uuid for specific user |
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| 23:21.35 | babilen | dagobart: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 |
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| 23:22.04 | AthomIk | jnewt_: but i not understand if is good way for you |
| 23:22.12 | abrotman | !fr |
| 23:22.12 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 23:22.31 | mordocai | babilen: Awesome, worked. Now, if I copy the old conf generated by nvidia-settings into that new file you had me create, should that cause it to have the old settings back as well? |
| 23:24.58 | jnewt_ | AthomIk: what is the fastest, easiest way to get from where i am (660 root root on all devices) to where i need to be (plug in a usb device, vboxusers group has permission to use it) |
| 23:25.21 | twinkie_addict | odd im not getting sound in any of my apps though im in the audio group |
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| 23:25.42 | twinkie_addict | im on debian 6 lxde |
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| 23:26.25 | twinkie_addict | alsamixer is set right and nothing is muted |
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| 23:27.42 | MrFrood | twinkie_addict: read about alsactrl on the debian wiki alsa page |
| 23:27.44 | AthomIk | jnewt_: mount on root and chmod ? no ? |
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| 23:28.26 | jnewt_ | AthomIk: yeah, that's where i'm at now. |
| 23:28.27 | buzzy | hi, a stupid question :) Where are the "include" and "lib" installed in Debian Lenny? |
| 23:28.39 | buzzy | obviosly not in /usr/local/include |
| 23:28.45 | MrFrood | we need a factoid on alsactrl - this question is being asked several times a day |
| 23:28.56 | Arrowmaster | !alsactrl |
| 23:29.11 | Arrowmaster | i thought there was one |
| 23:29.20 | jair | how can I disable the the module nouveau? squeeze 6.0.1 64bit? |
| 23:29.24 | MrFrood | just |
| 23:29.29 | MrFrood | !alsa |
| 23:29.30 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>, <default alsa>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:30.05 | Arrowmaster | what is alsactrl? |
| 23:30.11 | AthomIk | jnewt_: for force my usb key to be mounted by user "user" when i plug it i have created /etc/udev/rules.d/65-myrule.rules |
| 23:30.17 | AthomIk | and in i have this |
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| 23:30.22 | MrFrood | although if there was any justice we would all be using OSS |
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| 23:30.30 | AthomIk | SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{serial}=="12345678901234567890", KERNEL=="sd?1", SYMLINK+="PHOTOS", RUN+="/bin/su -c '/usr/bin/pmount /dev/PHOTOS' user" |
| 23:30.34 | zgedneil | from my experience with ALSA we need a Simplified version, which would also have the advantage of a more entertaining acronym |
| 23:30.58 | Arrowmaster | ah seems you ment alsactl |
| 23:31.18 | buzzy | I need to specify the path to the Lua include and lib files in a Makefile. How do I find out where they are? defaults were /usr/local/include/lua51 but it is not correct on Debian Lenny |
| 23:31.37 | MrFrood | no idea but there is a command on the wiki that seems to fix 99% of these questions (I use OSS4 myself) |
| 23:31.38 | AthomIk | when i plug my usb key uuid "12345678901234567890", udev mount this in /media/PHOTOS for user "user" |
| 23:32.19 | AthomIk | jnewt_: but not sure is the best way |
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| 23:34.08 | Arrowmaster | buzzy: probably /usr/include/lua5.1 |
| 23:34.15 | MrFrood | "'alsactl init' as root" |
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| 23:34.27 | jnewt_ | ok, what do i have to do so that when i plug in ANYTHING, EVERYONE has permission. |
| 23:34.28 | MrFrood | !alsactl |
| 23:34.33 | AthomIk | jnewt_: you understand my english :) |
| 23:34.53 | cantido | I've just upgrade xorg to whatever is latest in unstable and my middle mouse button emulation is gone. :/ |
| 23:34.54 | buzzy | Arrowmaster: thanks :) |
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| 23:35.26 | jnewt_ | i get the words, but i don't thik the questions are being answered AthomIk. you are describing how you do something, which i understand, but can't apply |
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| 23:36.56 | jair | !nouveau |
| 23:36.56 | dpkg | Nouveau is a project with the goal of open source 3D acceleration for NVIDIA video cards. Nouveau <DRM> in mainline as of Linux 2.6.33, included in linux-2.6 as of 2.6.32-10, not considered an official release. Display driver packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, no 3D support included; read its README.Debian for important notes. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ #nouveau on irc.freenode.net. For 3D support, ask me about <nvidia>. |
| 23:37.06 | katsrc | so it's official GNOME has a fork! |
| 23:37.17 | Arrowmaster | jnewt_: all your usb devices and your cdrom are 660 root:root ? |
| 23:37.34 | foto | Hi everybody. irc.debian.org seems to be blocking mibbit.com the web based chat client, whom should I talk to? |
| 23:38.02 | foto | irc.debian.org redirects to oftc is a channel ban not a server one |
| 23:39.08 | jnewt_ | Arrowmaster: yes, cdrom , cdrw, both 660 root:root |
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| 23:39.28 | mordocai | foto: Use webchat.freenode.net. I don't think they plan on enabling mibbit, but I think webchat.freenode.net still works. |
| 23:39.42 | Arrowmaster | thats very strange since cdrom should be 660 root:cdrom |
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| 23:40.03 | foto | im in freenode webchat now, but it soesn-t let you choose the server to connec tto |
| 23:40.03 | Arrowmaster | mordocai: hes asking about oftc not here |
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| 23:41.19 | foto | freenode banned mibibt long time ago |
| 23:41.29 | jnewt_ | Arrowmaster: the hardest part is that most of what's in dev, is very cryptic, not sure which device is what |
| 23:41.55 | Arrowmaster | what version of debian do you have? |
| 23:42.00 | jnewt_ | lenny |
| 23:42.07 | jnewt_ | kernel 2.6.32 |
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| 23:42.51 | Arrowmaster | ok i dont really know anything about how lenny handles /dev |
| 23:42.52 | jnewt_ | how can i relate what is in lsusb to what is in /dev |
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| 23:45.12 | jnewt_ | or better yet, automount any usb devices for me to use. |
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| 23:47.37 | jnewt_ | I must be missing something here. USB devices are supposed to be easy, plug-n-play right? why all the mounting and searching for names, and listing devices? |
| 23:47.48 | jnewt_ | and permissions and groups |
| 23:48.22 | Arrowmaster | i dont know, it all 'just works' for me on squeeze |
| 23:48.41 | jnewt_ | so, you plug in usb, and it gets mounted? |
| 23:48.46 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 23:48.50 | jnewt_ | wtf! |
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| 23:48.57 | Arrowmaster | some part of gnome does it |
| 23:49.07 | jnewt_ | i have xfce4 |
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| 23:49.14 | Arrowmaster | !automount |
| 23:49.14 | dpkg | If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <halevt>, <ivman> or <usb mount>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>. |
| 23:49.32 | jnewt_ | !usb mount |
| 23:49.32 | dpkg | usbmount is a script to automatically mount/umount USB drives as they are inserted/removed: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2004/10/msg00308.html ; aptitude install usbmount; does not support <vfat> filesystems by default. Read /usr/share/doc/usbmount/README for the reason and amend /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf to enable. Also ask about <pmount>. |
| 23:49.34 | Arrowmaster | thunar is xfce right? |
| 23:49.39 | jnewt_ | no idea |
| 23:49.50 | Arrowmaster | i thought it was |
| 23:49.51 | jnewt_ | i don't really use x that much, mostly command line |
| 23:50.56 | jnewt_ | mabye ist's the device |
| 23:51.03 | jnewt_ | looks for usb thumb drive |
| 23:52.26 | jnewt_ | alright, generic usb thumb drive, plugged it in and it showed in file system manager in xfce. |
| 23:52.32 | jnewt_ | but a click gives this: |
| 23:52.34 | jnewt_ | sorry: |
| 23:53.01 | jnewt_ | can't copy |
| 23:53.09 | jnewt_ | Failed to mount "4gb flash01" |
| 23:53.32 | jnewt_ | rejected send message, 3 matched rules; type="method_call", |
| 23:53.49 | jnewt_ | then a bunch of other values |
| 23:53.58 | jnewt_ | error name = "(unset)" |
| 23:54.07 | babilen | !enter |
| 23:54.07 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 23:55.09 | jnewt_ | babilen: i wasnt substituing punctuation, i was showing <CR> in case it mattered, guess i could type it out. thanks for the warning about kick though |
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| 23:55.50 | babilen | jnewt_: Use a pastebin if you want to show output of programs that spans several lines :) |
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| 23:56.22 | jnewt_ | sorry i bothered you |
| 23:56.57 | babilen | jnewt_: You did not. It is just hard to follow you. |
| 23:57.28 | jnewt_ | heh, that's what people say about me in the real world too |
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| 23:59.23 | khaleel5000 | hi, on squeeze, laptop hp dv5 (intel ICH9 family 82801I audio chipset) internal mic doesnot record anything, where should I look at? |
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