| 00:01.05 | MrFrood | !alsactl |
| 00:01.05 | dpkg | alsactl is, like, For release Squeeze or any later release, alsaconf is no longer available in package alsa-utils. So try to configure alsa by running the command 'alsactl init' as root. Just ignore the error message like 'Unknown hardware' (this issue said to be fixed in alsa-utils .20), then reboot and try to test your sound. |
| 00:02.10 | khaleel5000 | MrFrood: thanks |
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| 00:03.08 | abrotman | khaleel5000: not sure that was for you ... |
| 00:03.13 | khaleel5000 | MrFrood: did it, I have nvidia 9600GT with HDMI output as well, I am using the intel 'soundcard' not the HDMI thing, but all output that I got was : Unknown hardware: "HDA-Intel" "Nvidia MCP77/78 HDMI" "HDA:111d76b2,103c3621,00100302 HDA:11c11040,103c137e,00100200 HDA:10de0006,10de0101,00100000" "0x103c" "0x3621" |
| 00:03.18 | khaleel5000 | Hardware is initialized using a guess method |
| 00:03.22 | khaleel5000 | abrotman: oh |
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| 00:03.40 | abrotman | khaleel5000: what is uname -r ? |
| 00:03.45 | abrotman | uh .. squeeze .. |
| 00:03.51 | jair | !nouveau |
| 00:03.51 | dpkg | Nouveau is a project with the goal of open source 3D acceleration for NVIDIA video cards. Nouveau <DRM> in mainline as of Linux 2.6.33, included in linux-2.6 as of 2.6.32-10, not considered an official release. Display driver packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, no 3D support included; read its README.Debian for important notes. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ #nouveau on irc.freenode.net. For 3D support, ask me about <nvidia>. |
| 00:03.56 | MrFrood | coincidental, I just added the factoid ans was checking it worked |
| 00:04.06 | babilen | jair: /msg dpkg <factoid> |
| 00:04.22 | abrotman | khaleel5000: i have the same-ish card .. i am not sure mine works either |
| 00:04.33 | abrotman | not that i've tried to make it work |
| 00:04.43 | jair | babilen: sorry I am trying to disable the freaking nauveau driver so I can install the nvidia driver on my IBM laptop =( |
| 00:05.03 | abrotman | ha! should have gotten intel .. |
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| 00:05.40 | khaleel5000 | 2.6.32-5-686 SMP (uname) output of audio works fine, neither internal mic nor mic via 'external ' one works |
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| 00:06.29 | twiggz | i use the liquorix kernel when on debian myself..but thats probably taboo or some shit talking about it ... |
| 00:07.41 | khaleel5000 | abrotman: even your external mic doesnt one? |
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| 00:12.42 | MrFrood | !alsactl |
| 00:12.42 | dpkg | For release Squeeze or any later release, alsaconf is no longer available in package alsa-utils. So try to configure alsa by running the command 'alsactl init' as root. Just ignore the error message like 'Unknown hardware' (this issue said to be fixed in alsa-utils .20), then reboot and try to test your sound. |
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| 00:22.26 | khaleel5000 | hi , (i had on squeeze on HP dv5 (ich9 based sound card) error was internal mic not working, was advised alsactl init (i dont know if it was for me or not) i did it and rebooted, it works now |
| 00:22.33 | khaleel5000 | thanks |
| 00:23.11 | MrFrood | khaleel5000: as I said coinicental I just aded the factoid and was checking it |
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| 00:24.38 | babilen | hehe |
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| 00:25.31 | twiggz | my laptop runs wheezy and this desktop ran wheezy until i decided i was bored and wanted to look at fbsd 8.2 ... |
| 00:25.48 | khaleel5000 | MrFrood: haha |
| 00:25.53 | twiggz | squeeze got boring quick once it wasnt testing anymore... |
| 00:25.59 | khaleel5000 | 2 birds , 1 stone |
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| 00:26.06 | MrFrood | but as about the tenth person today to have a sound problem fixed by alsactl I'd say it was a badly needed factoid :| |
| 00:27.13 | MrFrood | must proof read before hitting enter :-/ |
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| 00:29.54 | zgedneil | if I give Emacs a straightforward (set-default-font "6x13") it really should give me the traditional default X font shouldn't it? |
| 00:30.16 | zgedneil | I keep getting the 6x12 from it for some reason |
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| 00:31.25 | abrotman | khaleel5000: never tried |
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| 00:34.16 | forrest | why would i choose our not choose LVM when initially formatting my disk on a new debian install? |
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| 00:35.23 | MrFrood | !lvm |
| 00:35.23 | dpkg | [lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 00:38.34 | forrest | so if i know i'm only going to have one disk, and it will all be for debian, i don't need to mess with LVM, and there's no point in doing so? |
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| 00:39.38 | MrFrood | is it a laptop? |
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| 00:40.53 | forrest | fit pc |
| 00:41.05 | MrFrood | ? |
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| 00:41.23 | forrest | http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc2/fit-pc2i-specifications/ |
| 00:41.50 | forrest | i want it to be my home firewall and also hold my music collection |
| 00:42.26 | forrest | it will be server-ish in it's function for me |
| 00:43.31 | MrFrood | use lvm if you need encyption of if you are not sure about particion size and think you may need to resize or if you are planning to add more storage at a later date |
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| 00:44.33 | forrest | is non-LVM performance better? |
| 00:44.40 | forrest | seems like an extra layer |
| 00:44.45 | MrFrood | otherwise I don't think it matters but I could be wrong (I often am) |
| 00:45.13 | robokop | MrFrood: seperating /var/log from the rest can be usefull sometimes |
| 00:45.31 | MrFrood | no idea, I think the penalty is marginal at best |
| 00:46.14 | MrFrood | yeah I've var on a seperate 10 gig drive |
| 00:47.12 | forrest | does the standard debian install use one big partition these days? |
| 00:47.15 | twiggz | if you have to ask man, id say stick with a more traditional setup |
| 00:47.41 | MrFrood | and boot has a 2 gig drive all to its self (got to do something to stop the parts bin overflowing) |
| 00:47.56 | twiggz | no forrest, it does have a guide though. and everything being shared under one / partition is an option... |
| 00:48.04 | MrFrood | forrest: you get options |
| 00:48.24 | twiggz | just said that |
| 00:48.42 | MrFrood | on fixed installs I tend not to use lvm |
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| 00:49.13 | forrest | ok, i will go ahead with non-LVM then, thanks |
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| 00:49.33 | twiggz | i dont bother with lvm on desktops or laptops/netbooks.... |
| 00:49.59 | MrFrood | twiggz: I want laptops encypted |
| 00:50.25 | twiggz | i dont bother with it on servers either, but thats only because my server is fbsd/amd64 |
| 00:50.33 | MrFrood | much greater chance of theft/accidental loss |
| 00:51.15 | MrFrood | twiggz: netbsd for servers here debian for desktop |
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| 00:51.41 | twiggz | I am running fbsd 8.2 i386 atm on this desktop. |
| 00:52.11 | twiggz | my wifes desktop and toshiba sattelite lappy are running debian wheezy |
| 00:52.13 | robokop | i use it because i have a quite large part unformatted on my laptop and still have to decide if i want to use windoze on it for some games, and lvm allows me to later add it to my vg if i decide not (entirely) too |
| 00:52.16 | MrFrood | we all have are quirks :P |
| 00:52.25 | twiggz | my kids eeepc is running squeeze still |
| 00:52.37 | twiggz | until she complains, i wont dist-upgrade her |
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| 00:52.49 | twiggz | or well, i wont let her dist-upgrade |
| 00:52.53 | twiggz | she can do it herself. |
| 00:52.57 | twiggz | roud |
| 00:53.00 | forrest | i was originally going to go for pfSense on this device because it will firewall, but couldn't get the install to work, so now it's good ol' debian |
| 00:53.00 | twiggz | +P |
| 00:53.01 | MrFrood | well said |
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| 00:53.26 | twiggz | m0n0wall is nice |
| 00:54.12 | twiggz | my kid even gets tired of using stable |
| 00:54.24 | twiggz | she wants to be using testing.. |
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| 00:54.34 | MrFrood | smart kid |
| 00:54.40 | forrest | i considered m0n0wall but don't like php |
| 00:55.07 | twiggz | lol...i shit you not, MrFrood ...this kid..shes my stepdaugther but i treat her like i shot her out of my own penis |
| 00:55.19 | twiggz | shes 18 years old withthe mind of a 13 year old |
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| 00:55.22 | twiggz | on her best day |
| 00:55.27 | twiggz | and bipolar |
| 00:55.32 | twiggz | iq of like 52 |
| 00:55.37 | MrFrood | sounds like my niece |
| 00:55.50 | babilen | eyes #debian-offtopic |
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| 00:56.05 | MrFrood | point taken |
| 00:56.06 | twiggz | but she can install debian, slackware, freebsd, zenwalk...and lord knows whatever else shes tried.. |
| 00:57.06 | twiggz | lol, apparently Im still banned on offtopic..I havent been here in months. |
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| 00:59.05 | forrest | you guys know of any doc about setting debian up for a home firewall? |
| 00:59.31 | MrFrood | have you checked the wiki? |
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| 00:59.47 | forrest | err, no |
| 00:59.48 | MrFrood | !firewall |
| 00:59.49 | dpkg | methinks firewall is a boundary (usually a computer or network apliance) between your private network and the public internet. see <gibraltar>, or a firewall can't protect the computer it's running on, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection. See also <firehol>. |
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| 01:00.52 | twiggz | forrest there vyatta linux i think..its debian already set up to be what you want it to be... |
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| 01:01.23 | forrest | hmmm, that could save me some trouble, twiggz |
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| 01:01.43 | Matias | Hello |
| 01:01.44 | twiggz | indeed. |
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| 01:02.22 | Janni | OFFTOPIC: I just stumbled across the following sentence on Wikipedia, in which the use of the word "while" (where I would have used "during") surprised me: "The auxiliary language Interglossa was devised by the scientist Lancelot Hogben while the empty hours of fire-watching in Aberdeen during World War II." Anyone care to tell me whether this is correct English? |
| 01:02.31 | Matias | the sound of my computer stopped to work, is there anything I can do? it happened a while ago fixed it just rebooting the computer. |
| 01:02.48 | Matias | and I fixed* |
| 01:03.04 | Matias | I tried rebooting the alsa daemon but it doesn't work |
| 01:03.19 | twiggz | alsa force-reload |
| 01:03.39 | forrest | Janni, doesn't sound correct to me, i'd s/while the/during/ |
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| 01:04.10 | Janni | That what I thought... Are you a native English speaker? |
| 01:04.13 | MrFrood | hmm maybe... |
| 01:04.14 | forrest | yes |
| 01:04.22 | MrFrood | !alsactl |
| 01:04.22 | dpkg | For release Squeeze or any later release, alsaconf is no longer available in package alsa-utils. So try to configure alsa by running the command 'alsactl init' as root. Just ignore the error message like 'Unknown hardware' (this issue said to be fixed in alsa-utils .20), then reboot and try to test your sound. |
| 01:04.25 | Janni | OK, your opinion counts :-) |
| 01:04.30 | forrest | but i just noticed during is also used later in the sentence |
| 01:04.44 | babilen | Janni: s/while/during -- but not a native speaker. This is, as you rightfully indicated, quite offtopic here. You might want to discuss this in #defocus or #wikipedia. |
| 01:04.57 | Matias | twiggz: it says "KDE detected that one or more internal sound devices were removed...", that's weird |
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| 01:05.17 | twiggz | Im not a kde user. KDE4 is the devil. |
| 01:05.23 | Matias | hehe |
| 01:05.36 | Matias | it's working again, thank you twiggz :) |
| 01:05.43 | twiggz | good deal. |
| 01:05.44 | twiggz | yw |
| 01:06.28 | MrFrood | this is why I stick to OSS |
| 01:06.45 | Janni | babilen: Right. A channel where you are on-topic by default :-) Thanks. |
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| 01:34.30 | Mr_Queue | twiggz: I've not seen KDE4 or even really remember much of KDE3. What's so bad? |
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| 01:35.41 | Aut0Exec | anyone have debian on a dockstar? |
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| 01:37.47 | Mr_Queue | Aut0Exec: Interesting idea. I think I'd go with a plug like pogo or sheeva or something.. |
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| 01:38.40 | Aut0Exec | Mr_Queue, oh ok... yeah I think pogo has better specs |
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| 01:39.00 | Aut0Exec | Mr_Queue, I was just curious to know if anyon here did it so I can hear about it first hand |
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| 01:39.28 | Mr_Queue | I don't know the first thing about it, but you might want to ask on #debian-arm |
| 01:39.30 | Aut0Exec | I want to set up an asterisk server on it |
| 01:39.35 | Aut0Exec | k |
| 01:39.36 | Aut0Exec | thanks |
| 01:39.38 | Mr_Queue | np[ |
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| 01:56.07 | Aut0Exec | Mr_Queue, you think an old compaq evo would burn about the same watts as one of those dockstar or pogoplug gadgets? |
| 01:56.25 | Aut0Exec | small little netbook |
| 01:57.52 | Mr_Queue | No more. A Sheeve is 5w. You could run one for a month on the same amount of power it takes to cook a piece of toast one morning. |
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| 01:58.10 | Aut0Exec | lol |
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| 01:58.38 | Aut0Exec | yeah but i was googling watts used and I see that regular laptop used between 15-45 watts |
| 01:58.43 | z330 | hey guys i think my server got rooted some how anyways im missing 10 gigs of space how can i unhide the hackers files and remove his rootkit |
| 01:58.43 | Aut0Exec | so a netbook should be a little less |
| 02:01.02 | sontek | z330: backup your data and reinstall |
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| 02:01.28 | fr0stbyt3 | is there a param to tell strace not to cut off text? |
| 02:02.16 | hotwings | i think current debian testing packages for glibc or whatever are screwed up. i got http://pastebin.com/95hrVbgC after updating and trying to compile xine-ui.. one of the v4l devs said its a problem with debian packages.. can anyone confirm? |
| 02:02.18 | jhutchins_lt2 | z330: There's no way to be sure you get everything other than format and reinstall. |
| 02:03.11 | Mr_Queue | z330: Get of the net and use Knoppix to dig through it. |
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| 02:04.22 | z330 | its a VPS i will just reimage |
| 02:04.28 | z330 | thanks i just wanted to see what he was using it for |
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| 02:07.13 | Mr_Queue | z330: You have root. Find it. |
| 02:07.37 | Mr_Queue | Look for access times. How the hell did you get rooted in the first place is what I would be asking myself. |
| 02:08.30 | Mr_Queue | maybe look at df, du, and use 'find' to see where he's been. |
| 02:08.56 | Mr_Queue | Maybe a LVM just failed to mount? etc.. there could be any number of things. |
| 02:09.10 | Mr_Queue | rkhunter say anything about it? |
| 02:09.40 | z330 | no |
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| 02:11.15 | z330 | when backing up mysql can i just backup the lib/mysql folder or do i have to use mysql -u root -p > blah |
| 02:11.39 | z330 | i have no space to backup my sql to disk can i backup over ssh? |
| 02:11.54 | ymasory_ | hi. i just installed the nvidia driver. acceleration is working, but the fonts/window title bars/etc are too big, and there are some graphics bugs |
| 02:11.59 | ymasory_ | anyone experienced similar? |
| 02:12.11 | Mr_Queue | z330: look at tar over ssh or the like. |
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| 02:12.44 | babilen | z330: The mysql documentation discusses this in great detail, but you are likely looking for mysqldump |
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| 02:13.13 | Mr_Queue | Or that, I don't know much about mysql. :) |
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| 02:28.12 | pvo | anyone with deb package creation knowledge here? |
| 02:28.38 | pvo | I have an issue with a control file I'm trying to diagnose |
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| 02:31.55 | abrotman | pvo: please just ask .. then see if anyone answers |
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| 02:34.29 | pvo | when I build, I get an error saying it can't find the package name: |
| 02:34.30 | pvo | http://pastebin.com/zpaZ5SX8 |
| 02:34.32 | jhutchins | Mr_Queue: If the system has been rooted, you have to assume that whoever did it was clever enough to hide more than one thing. The only safe way to bring the system back on-line is to format the disk, reinstall the system from known clean sources, and restore the data. |
| 02:34.50 | pvo | can't figure out wth I'm doing wrong |
| 02:34.51 | jhutchins | Even backing up data at this point is risky. |
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| 02:35.38 | abrotman | pvo: parenthesis ? |
| 02:35.44 | Mr_Queue | jhutchins: I agree, but while you still have the wrecked system on hand it's worth the time to attempt to take a look and learn from your mistake. |
| 02:36.20 | pvo | abrotman: I'm using this as an example: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html |
| 02:36.32 | pvo | abrotman: you mean line with debhelper? |
| 02:36.47 | abrotman | with your email |
| 02:36.51 | jhutchins | Sheesh, people, google your project name before releasing it! Nova is both an OpenStack project and a Cuban Linux Distribution. |
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| 02:37.21 | jhutchins | Mr_Queue: Usually you don't have the luxury to do that, your priority is to get the server back up. |
| 02:37.35 | jhutchins | Mr_Queue: You can always snapshot it and look at the files later I guess. |
| 02:37.36 | pvo | jhutchins: not really my call, but thanks! |
| 02:37.52 | jhutchins | pvo: Clearly not your fault. |
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| 02:38.43 | pvo | jhutchins: I think it was also a yahoo project too |
| 02:39.02 | ansgar | pvo: Is that supposed to be a normal package build from source? |
| 02:39.11 | jhutchins | "Hey, I've got a great idea for a project - let's call it 'NEW'!" |
| 02:39.29 | abrotman | pvo: also, only one blank line ? |
| 02:39.32 | pvo | abrotman: removed the parens. Same error. |
| 02:39.42 | jhutchins | pvo: With no knowledge my guess would be you have something out of sequence in the control file or there's an incorrectly terminated line. |
| 02:41.27 | pvo | abrotman: bah, not the spaces either. |
| 02:41.31 | ansgar | The contents for debian/control (source package) and DEBIAN/control (binary package) are different. |
| 02:41.44 | pvo | ansgar: ah! that might be it. |
| 02:41.47 | Mr_Queue | jhutchins: I agree with that as well.. But someone asking how to go about the question on a VPS, more than likely is not mission critical. |
| 02:41.50 | pvo | I think I started this as a binary |
| 02:41.54 | pvo | then changed |
| 02:42.15 | ansgar | To build packages from source, use dpkg-buildpackage (or debuild from devscripts), not dpkg. |
| 02:42.32 | jhutchins | Mr_Queue: I know ISP's that run thousands of commercial, mission-critical VPSs. |
| 02:42.58 | ansgar | Of course you need the other required files (debian/rules, debian/changelog) in that case as well. |
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| 02:43.04 | simonrvn | "our mission: to boldly go where no one has gone before" |
| 02:43.57 | pvo | got the changelog. |
| 02:44.02 | Mr_Queue | jhutchins: If an ISP employee was here asking what to do about a root on a VPS I would want to check and make sure I wasn't with that ISP. |
| 02:44.15 | pvo | I had this building as a single package. When I tried to add other packages to the control file is when I broke it |
| 02:44.45 | simonrvn | !nmg |
| 02:44.45 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
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| 02:45.51 | jhutchins | Mr_Queue: Generally, they don't manage the individual servers directly, they at most supply a base image and possibly a recovery console. |
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| 02:46.27 | Mr_Queue | jhutchins: Regardless. |
| 02:46.30 | jhutchins | Mr_Queue: I don't mean to restrict mission critical VPSs to ISP farms either, it's just an example. |
| 02:46.40 | Mr_Queue | I understand. |
| 02:47.15 | jnewt | i have 4 sessions running under my username according to $ users |
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| 02:47.29 | jhutchins | Mr_Queue: Whey MY ftp server got compromised, it was pretty critical to _me_, because it was also my router. |
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| 02:47.48 | Mr_Queue | Ouch.. |
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| 02:47.55 | jnewt | i want to find the one that is running virtualbox, and view that session over rdp. is this possible? |
| 02:48.11 | jhutchins | Security through obscurity: FAIL! |
| 02:48.19 | Mr_Queue | haha |
| 02:48.30 | Mr_Queue | jnewt: look at ps yet? |
| 02:48.45 | jhutchins | jnewt: ps aux |
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| 02:49.18 | jnewt | well, that returns about 100 results. |
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| 02:49.31 | Mr_Queue | jnewt: I know, grep your way out. |
| 02:49.54 | jnewt | i really have no idea where to start to do this. |
| 02:50.22 | Mr_Queue | jnewt: ps aux | grep <a-cool-word-that-might-help> |
| 02:51.00 | Mr_Queue | Look for the PID, or read more into the man page of ps, check w and who, I don't really know what you have going on there. |
| 02:51.02 | jnewt | ps aux | grep findthesessioniwantandlogmeintothatonesoicanusemyvirtualbox |
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| 02:52.13 | Mr_Queue | screen -ls might help too. I have no clue what you're really after. |
| 02:52.41 | jnewt | i have one session that is running virtualbox. i want to see my virtualmachine. |
| 02:53.38 | Mr_Queue | via ssh? still a bit lost.. |
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| 02:54.26 | jnewt | no, via rdp |
| 02:54.32 | Mr_Queue | I'm not paying that much attention though. I have about 5 conversation going on and the girlfriend just walked back in the door.. They're never nice.. |
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| 02:54.56 | Mr_Queue | jnewt: then you still will need to know the IP of the machine right? |
| 02:55.06 | jnewt | ok, i've killed two of the 4 sessions |
| 02:55.10 | jnewt | still ok |
| 02:55.12 | Mr_Queue | Whadda you assign it? |
| 02:55.27 | jnewt | the ip? |
| 02:55.36 | Mr_Queue | Yeah. |
| 02:55.40 | Mr_Queue | start there. |
| 02:55.56 | jnewt | it pulls from dhcp |
| 02:56.07 | jnewt | right now its 51 |
| 02:56.11 | jnewt | 192.168.2.51 |
| 02:56.30 | jnewt | i can log on and log off fine. |
| 02:57.01 | jnewt | but i get a new session every time. i want the old session that is running |
| 02:57.31 | Mr_Queue | You want X or something? Bit outside what I know of Vbox, but you'll need the open ports and the IP. Point the client at the server and you should be good to go. |
| 02:57.57 | jnewt | i am good to go. it connects fine. i can get X, i can start an xfce session, no problem |
| 02:58.14 | jnewt | that's not the issue |
| 02:58.31 | jnewt | the issue is, there is another session |
| 02:58.59 | jnewt | which is running some software i want to use. i don't want to start another instance |
| 02:59.10 | dagobart | hm, running wodim against a Mitsumi CR-4802TE, after several hiccups made the Mitsumi disapear from wodim -scanbus Any way to get it back w/o rebooting/init-1-ing? |
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| 03:00.11 | Mr_Queue | No clue here, sound like screen and you need to 'reattach' but I've never heard of Vbox or rdp working like that. And like I was saying I don't know a ton about rdp or Vbox for that matter. I nearly 99% of the time am playing with those via ssh. |
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| 03:01.08 | jnewt | forget about vbox. |
| 03:01.13 | jnewt | that's not the point |
| 03:01.41 | jnewt | say i have a text file open in emacs unsaved. |
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| 03:01.59 | jnewt | the connection dropped out, and i am disconnected. |
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| 03:02.33 | jnewt | i start a new session, and i end up with a new desktop, and my file is in the other session. what do i do? |
| 03:03.10 | Mr_Queue | destroy the foo.file~ |
| 03:03.13 | Mr_Queue | move on |
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| 03:03.20 | jnewt | that sucks |
| 03:03.32 | Mr_Queue | Someone else will need to jump in on this. |
| 03:04.22 | Mr_Queue | I'm not following you.. Like you have a background job or something? check jobs? |
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| 03:08.35 | jnewt | like i'm logged on twice |
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| 03:08.49 | jnewt | users command returns my username twice |
| 03:09.07 | jnewt | i don't understand it myself. |
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| 03:10.58 | Mr_Queue | Now I'm really lost.. |
| 03:11.08 | jnewt | me too! |
| 03:12.18 | jnewt | picture 3 computers. #1 is debian, #2 is windows xp as a virtual machine on #1, and #3 is win7 (my computer and client on the same network) |
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| 03:13.33 | jnewt | i can log onto #1 and #2 from #3. but i can't do a "local logon" to #2 because it's running in a different session than i get when logging onto #1 |
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| 03:15.22 | jnewt | oh, and if i try to start the vbox from my new session, it creates a new #2, which causes a network conflict! |
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| 03:18.48 | forrest | I've got two ethernet ports in my machine; eth0 will get dhcp from my ISP, eth1 i want to have a static 192.168... address for my home network. How do I set the gateway for eth1 when it will be the dynamically-assigned IP for eth0 which I don't know and may change? |
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| 03:19.41 | hotwings | debian testing. was told the following error is due to a problem with debians packages at the moment. does that sound/look right? http://pastebin.com/95hrVbgC |
| 03:20.07 | Ziber | using debian 6, looking for a kernel to run xen that is aware of ext4. any ideas? |
| 03:20.31 | jnewt | forrest: don't. |
| 03:21.20 | forrest | jnewt: no gateway line in interfaces and it will work ok? |
| 03:21.58 | jnewt | eth0: static ip, gateway = modem ip, netmask. eth1 address = static whatever you choose, netmask. |
| 03:21.58 | forrest | or, i'm trying to do something unthinkably stupid? |
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| 03:22.05 | jnewt | no i do the same thing |
| 03:22.15 | jnewt | only i have two subnets internal |
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| 03:22.31 | forrest | eth0 has to be dhcp though, that's what my isp provides |
| 03:22.48 | jnewt | no, it provides it to your modem right? |
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| 03:24.11 | abrotman | forrest: you set the second manually with the route command |
| 03:25.25 | jnewt | i set up the ip stuff in the /etc/network/interfaces file. then do the routing / iptables stuff separately |
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| 03:26.14 | forrest | I think abrotman's solution will work for me |
| 03:27.29 | forrest | put it in if-up.d |
| 03:27.44 | forrest | somehow |
| 03:28.25 | jnewt | http://codepad.org/6CbRinb1 |
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| 03:30.17 | ocnam | forrest, You can add it in the interfaces file |
| 03:30.34 | jnewt | forrest: see the example above |
| 03:32.11 | oobe | Hi i configured sudo for my user but it doesnt recognise the executables in my home directory ~/bin how do i set the path for sudoers |
| 03:32.21 | forrest | but those are all static ... |
| 03:32.38 | Ziber | oobe: put them in your $PATH |
| 03:32.45 | oobe | i.e when i type a command sudo script.sh |
| 03:33.04 | oobe | Ziber, i have it set in /etc/profile and ~/.bashrc |
| 03:33.37 | oobe | if i type sudo echo $PATH it shows my home directory /home/oobe/bin as one of the paths |
| 03:33.41 | forrest | i have comcast, it's currently providing an external ip address via dhcp to a wireless router which is doing NAT etc.; I want to replace that with a debian box |
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| 03:33.57 | oobe | but when i type sudo script.sh it still says command not found |
| 03:34.30 | forrest | i thought my cable modem (or whatever it is) provided an ip address to a device inside my network |
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| 03:34.52 | forrest | instead of having one itself |
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| 03:35.18 | forrest | i can't ping the actual device from comcast or go to a config page or anything |
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| 03:36.21 | oobe | forrest you can just make eth1 the gateway |
| 03:36.29 | oobe | that other computers on your lan connect to |
| 03:36.42 | oobe | and use iptables to share the internet |
| 03:37.18 | forrest | ah, ok |
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| 03:38.12 | jnewt | Mr_Queue: can't figure out how to repeat that. i rebooted the machine, and i cannot recreate the situation i was in! |
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| 03:44.51 | s3phir0th115 | Torrent page down for anyone else? |
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| 03:50.59 | s3phir0th115 | nevermind, up now |
| 03:51.43 | Ziber | Anyone around who's familiar with xen? |
| 03:56.02 | Mr_Queue | jnewt: I'm just as lost.. Look over the logs and see if you can make some sense of what the hell was going on. It should all be logged well, both on the host and the Vbox logs. |
| 03:56.05 | WormFood | Ziber, just ask your question |
| 03:56.32 | Mr_Queue | xen is a bitch on Debian for me. I'll bet you have a loop problem. |
| 03:56.44 | Mr_Queue | Ziber: ^^^ |
| 03:56.46 | Rusty1 | Ziber: there seems to be a ##xen channel FWIW |
| 03:57.01 | Ziber | nobody's responding, figured i'd ask here. |
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| 03:57.25 | Ziber | well, http://paste.ziber.org/57229 summarizes it. |
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| 03:57.51 | Mr_Queue | So it won't start.. |
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| 03:58.22 | Ziber | Exactly. |
| 03:58.25 | Mr_Queue | From the list, most everyone has probles with grub. Increase the timeout up to around 10 seconds. |
| 03:59.43 | Mr_Queue | list I mean debian-user... No clue what causes it, but giving grub some more time seems to fix it. |
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| 04:00.04 | Ziber | Giving grub more time...? |
| 04:00.20 | Mr_Queue | Yes, the time out and don't fuck with it on boot. |
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| 04:00.44 | Ziber | And where would I specify that? /boot/grub/grub.cfg? |
| 04:01.03 | prince_jammys | /etc/default/grub |
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| 04:01.15 | Ziber | hm, let me see |
| 04:01.26 | Mr_Queue | change the timeout from 3 seconds to 10 and give it a go. Look over the last months archives.. At least 2 or 3 of somthing like this has come across them.. |
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| 04:01.44 | prince_jammys | grub.cfg is written programmatically, don't edit it directly |
| 04:01.51 | Ziber | alright, mines at 5 right now. i'll up it to 10. and restart, right? |
| 04:02.00 | Mr_Queue | It's in like /etc/default or something now.. |
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| 04:02.09 | Mr_Queue | Ziber: yeah give that a go. |
| 04:02.15 | prince_jammys | no, update-grub |
| 04:02.18 | Mr_Queue | No clue why. |
| 04:02.36 | Ziber | alright, letting it update |
| 04:02.38 | prince_jammys | Ziber: run update-grub |
| 04:02.41 | prince_jammys | ok. |
| 04:03.03 | Ziber | if that was supposed to fix it alone, it didnt. |
| 04:03.06 | Ziber | same error. |
| 04:03.58 | Mr_Queue | That's the best I can give you.. It's been brought up a couple times on user and a couple times upping the timeout has helped.. |
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| 04:04.37 | Ziber | Hm. |
| 04:05.01 | Ziber | Any reason to think that restarting might help? |
| 04:05.32 | Mr_Queue | I've been learning xen myself the last 4-5 weeks. Debian is a bastard when it comes to xen.. I couldn't belive how easy it was on CentOS. |
| 04:05.43 | ranix | !reboot |
| 04:05.43 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
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| 04:06.43 | Mr_Queue | I wanted a Cent VM dropped on a Squeeze server... That was a field trip it's self.. |
| 04:07.03 | Ziber | Heard it was easy on CentOS, yes. How hard is CentOS to manage as an OS? Not very familiar with anything non-ubuntu/debian |
| 04:07.50 | Ziber | And I mean, I had this working on debian 5. Upgraded kernel and to 6 for ext4 support because my latest VM is ext4 based. |
| 04:08.24 | Mr_Queue | Ziber: Me either. I didn't know a dam thing about Cent until about a month ago. I was offered a job but needed to know Cent. I've only used Debian. So I got started.. Cent is stupid easy. You can even go the MS GUI way of things, and no shit, it just works. |
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| 04:08.45 | Ziber | lol eww gui. |
| 04:08.57 | Ziber | My machine is at home and I'm at college, so a GUI wouldnt do me much good, anyway. |
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| 04:09.06 | Mr_Queue | I've still been reading trying to learn why I couldn't get the same going on Debian and playing on the line... But I'm losing that. |
| 04:09.08 | Ziber | I guess I'll take a look at it. |
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| 04:09.42 | lumpus | hey is it worth to get 32bits when you got an i7core and 4gb of ram? or is 64bits better? |
| 04:09.45 | Mr_Queue | xen docs as of sometime last week, last I looked, didn't included xen 4 which comes with Squeeze. |
| 04:10.08 | WormFood | lumpus, it depends on what you're doing with the computer...in general, I think 64-bit is better |
| 04:10.10 | Mr_Queue | lumpus: Depends on what your machine is counting everyday. |
| 04:10.33 | Mr_Queue | Server sure, desktop, who cares. |
| 04:10.51 | Ziber | Now, if I were to change over to CentOS... I have a second HD in this machine, thats serving as my file server (mounted in a VM, in fact). No compatibility problems, I'd hope? |
| 04:10.56 | lumpus | listening to music over spotify watching movies trying to get ET to run |
| 04:11.18 | lumpus | in form of ET gaming |
| 04:11.18 | WormFood | run ET, run! |
| 04:11.29 | Mr_Queue | Ziber: let us know how it turns out. :) |
| 04:11.35 | Ziber | haha |
| 04:11.35 | lumpus | Enemy of territory |
| 04:11.49 | Ziber | nobody can confirm this theory? :( ive got a LOT on that. lol |
| 04:12.11 | Ziber | I really want to get this work tonight, because I wont be back home to get this sorted out for a month :( |
| 04:12.39 | Mr_Queue | I dislike cent. I'm not giving up on mastering xen with Debian, but for now it's making me an idiot.. |
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| 04:14.58 | Ziber | I think I might've used Cent once, when I was just starting out on Linux. Gravitated towards ubuntu and lately debian. Id really rather not go back to an OS that I know is completely different than the basis that I'm familiar with. |
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| 04:17.24 | WormFood | ScentOS stinks...CentOS takes a CENTury to update, and CentOS ain't wort a cent (I had other cent puns too, but thankfully have forgotten them) |
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| 04:17.52 | Mr_Queue | haha.. it is still back on like .18 or something stupid. |
| 04:18.35 | Mr_Queue | Just shy of a decade if my memory server somewhat correct. |
| 04:18.38 | Ziber | WormFood: har har. |
| 04:19.43 | WormFood | I was "forced" to use CentOS...I hated it....not horrible, but did not like they way they did a lot of things (for the record, I started with redhat 4.x) |
| 04:20.31 | WormFood | I changed VPS companies, because my old company only supported CentOS...AND, we didn't even get updates, until what they offered us no longer had security updates....but now I switched to a company that fully supports debian, so I'm happy :D |
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| 04:21.05 | blast_hardcheese | Sorry, quick xorg question; Not sure what happened, but after I installed firmware-linux-nonfree my xorg cursor disappeared. |
| 04:21.19 | Ziber | My current VPS company runs their host server on CentOS, which is why I was curious about using it. They support basically any OS. :) |
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| 04:21.42 | blast_hardcheese | There wasn't an xorg.config in /etc/X11/, so I generated one with X -configure |
| 04:21.58 | blast_hardcheese | I tried HWCursor off and SWCursor on |
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| 04:25.55 | joo | What is a good lightweight HTTP server I can run on Debian that will allow me to, for example, bind to Node.js? |
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| 04:28.29 | Fudge | hi sorry if this is a stupid question, but on my ftp mirror from my isp under debian/cd/live/amd64/web there are squashfs which i know what that is, initrd etc. what is the web directory for? would a squashfs be able to be dd'd straight onto a partition I have? |
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| 04:29.46 | nick_h_ | what does the "8:" in the version # for imagemagick mean?: 8:6.6.0.4-3 |
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| 04:31.58 | Dewi | joo: doesn't Node.js itself work as a http server? |
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| 04:32.40 | Dewi | joo: anyway most http servers can reverse proxy if you want something like that behind them. Popular are apache, nginx, lighttpd |
| 04:32.42 | joo | Dewi, it does, but I would have to run each script on a different pory |
| 04:32.44 | joo | *port |
| 04:33.00 | joo | I'm thinking more of running a Node.js script like a PHP script |
| 04:33.12 | Dewi | joo: why? |
| 04:35.20 | joo | Dewi, well I have a script which converts some data from one format to another, and I want to access it by HTTP. I could include code which listens on a certain port and handles any requests, but what if I had another conversion script? Then I'd need to listen on two different ports. |
| 04:35.40 | joo | So, I thought I'd rather just let a HTTP handle the requests for different scripts |
| 04:35.59 | joo | Maybe I am misusing Node.js by doing that, but that's another matter |
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| 04:36.11 | jmarsden | nick_h_: 8: is the 8th "epoch" for that software. man deb-version for more info |
| 04:36.29 | Dewi | joo: yeah I dunno. No reason you can't do it with reverse proxying tho |
| 04:36.58 | Dewi | joo: you'd still be using 1 port per script, but you do have 64k of them so you're not gonna run out |
| 04:37.53 | joo | Hm, well... it just seems like extra work for allocate a port for each script |
| 04:38.33 | joo | Also all of my scripts would running at once |
| 04:38.34 | Dewi | joo: I don't think Node works in terms of "scripts". More "apps" |
| 04:38.37 | joo | If I did it like that |
| 04:38.54 | joo | Dewi, that's true. |
| 04:39.01 | joo | But an app is started by a certain .js script |
| 04:39.55 | Dewi | you could always write a dispatcher Node that locates and calls other scripts |
| 04:40.02 | joo | That did occur to me. |
| 04:41.37 | Dewi | joo: there may or may not be dispatchers already available. I don't actually know what other people call them... for some reason that's the word I use |
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| 04:46.32 | Dewi | what is the init.d/x11-common for? |
| 04:47.09 | Dewi | oh looks like it's not actually a daemon, nmind |
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| 04:52.51 | Fudge | my ftp mirror for debian live has bt-hybrid iso-hybrid web net and usb, i know what the last two are but not sure on the first three. iso i guess is jsut iso |
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| 05:21.54 | opnet | just started using debian live but when I try to download packages I get: |
| 05:22.16 | opnet | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.22 | opnet | and stuff like that |
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| 05:47.55 | emacsenlee | whats the difference between mount.ntfs-3g and mount.ntfs-fuse? |
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| 05:50.21 | tonytraductor | I've used...nearly a dozen gnu/linux distros, and, not only is Debian the best, but our community is the best. |
| 05:50.36 | tonytraductor | I just had occasion to stop into #fedora, and, wow, those people are rude |
| 05:50.52 | jonii3 | lol I've been in #fedora before |
| 05:50.58 | tonytraductor | shocking after hanging out with debian for a few years to see such BS |
| 05:51.00 | jonii3 | theres a reason i don't use that OS anymore... |
| 05:51.15 | tonytraductor | I gave up fedora in2006, tired of yum breaking stuff |
| 05:51.30 | tonytraductor | still took me a couple of years to find my here, though, passing through ubuntu and pclinuxos along the way |
| 05:51.33 | jonii3 | I couldn't figure something out... their support channel told me to go figure it out myself |
| 05:51.50 | jonii3 | i'm on ubuntu atm, but its close enough to debian :D |
| 05:52.01 | tonytraductor | I was in there for all of 20 seconds, asked one question, and got read the riot act for not staying on topic |
| 05:52.45 | tonytraductor | well, I suppose if my distro were weak and sucked like fedora, maybe I'd be cranky, too |
| 05:52.54 | tonytraductor | Debian always makes me happy. |
| 05:52.55 | jonii3 | LOL |
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| 05:53.20 | jonii3 | I would use debian but my dad landed on Ubuntu so he can sometimes help me with it |
| 05:53.39 | jonii3 | and i've tried it, it just didn't seem as nice as ubuntu |
| 05:53.39 | emacsenlee | the most best thing is freebsd |
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| 05:53.50 | jonii3 | *shudders* |
| 05:53.52 | emacsenlee | forgive me |
| 05:54.00 | tonytraductor | once you have ubunty figured out, debian will be just as easy, reall |
| 05:54.17 | tonytraductor | I frankly don't understand why people say ubuntu is more user-friendly |
| 05:54.41 | jonii3 | well i'm at the point right now where i've even made apt-get update fail with errors.... |
| 05:54.45 | tonytraductor | not saying it's bad, or anything, just, clearly, Debian is better, and not hard to use. My 60 y/o mom with no computer knowledge is using it |
| 05:54.50 | jonii3 | i'm so bad at this linux thing lol |
| 05:54.56 | tonytraductor | best thing for her. nearly impossible for her to break anything |
| 05:55.01 | jonii3 | true |
| 05:55.25 | emacsenlee | newbie always think ubuntu is more user-friendly |
| 05:55.35 | tonytraductor | I'm actually currently in the process of installing ubuntu on an old iMac, right now. |
| 05:55.36 | jonii3 | I wish I couldn't break anything... I've had this for like 8 hours and I broke it |
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| 05:56.06 | tonytraductor | I couldn't get X working with squeeze on it, and already tried ubuntu 10.04, 9.10. 9.04, 8.04, and 6.10, so trying 6.06 |
| 05:56.11 | brownies | o.O |
| 05:56.16 | jonii3 | lol |
| 05:56.17 | tonytraductor | I had stopped in at Fedora to ask about their ppc support... |
| 05:56.22 | emacsenlee | hoho i am trying to decorate my xfce to look like mac |
| 05:56.40 | ectospasm | I'm actually planning a migration from Ubuntu to Debian |
| 05:56.44 | tonytraductor | I tried Arch on it, and Gentoo, too, but arch didn't play well, and gentoo is a PITA |
| 05:56.49 | jonii3 | tony, you don't like puppy linux? |
| 05:56.59 | tonytraductor | afaik, there is no puppy for ppc, is there? |
| 05:57.08 | jonii3 | oh i'm not sure |
| 05:57.33 | jonii3 | its just when i think of old computers the first thing to pop in my head is the little puppy |
| 05:57.40 | ectospasm | I went from Slackware>>LFS[FAILED]>>Gentoo>>Ubuntu... I expect the transition to Debian to be even happier than my transition to Ubuntu |
| 05:58.33 | tonytraductor | aha, there IS, but it's beta and not recommended for daily use. this machine is for a completely unskilled kid, so, probably not the best idea...well, except that might force him to learn something, which wouldn't be so bad |
| 05:58.46 | jonii3 | I went from dos-windows-puppy-windows-ubuntu-windows-suse-ubuntu-fedor-windows-otherwindows and i'm back at ubuntu again |
| 05:58.54 | jonii3 | I can never stick to linux lol |
| 05:59.10 | tonytraductor | gosh, once I tried gnu/linux, I never went back |
| 05:59.19 | tonytraductor | it's been 11 years, and I won't touch a windows machine |
| 05:59.20 | jonii3 | I wish I could say that |
| 05:59.27 | jonii3 | I love it to death, but I miss gaming |
| 05:59.36 | tonytraductor | I will play with other OSes, though, like HaikuOS, Syllable, *BSD, etc. |
| 05:59.44 | tonytraductor | right... |
| 05:59.57 | jonii3 | I'm sitting here trying to configure a single program from source and i've already broke it.. |
| 06:00.08 | tonytraductor | what program? |
| 06:00.15 | jonii3 | wine :) |
| 06:00.25 | ectospasm | I'm in a program at my university which is in the college of business... I have to keep Windows around, for posterity at least |
| 06:00.28 | tonytraductor | why are you install from source? |
| 06:00.33 | jonii3 | see, i screwed up and have the 32 bit program and a 64 bit OS |
| 06:00.34 | simonrvn | just install the debian or winehq packages |
| 06:00.36 | jonii3 | cause I need to patch it |
| 06:00.48 | jonii3 | the game I want to run needs custom API's or something |
| 06:00.49 | tonytraductor | I'm running on AMD64 here |
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| 06:00.59 | ectospasm | though I've discovered, most classes I can get around their perceived Windows requirement |
| 06:01.00 | tonytraductor | oh, huh |
| 06:01.06 | jonii3 | so it wants me to install 32 bit binaries |
| 06:01.28 | jonii3 | I added the sources.... apperantly not the right way, cause now it's broke and apt-get update isn't working |
| 06:01.39 | tonytraductor | yeah, I run a business from home, and have clients that "must use Trados" (windows only program) or must use MSOffice, and I haven't have any compatibility issues in a decade |
| 06:02.15 | ectospasm | ick, only install from source if you know what you are doing. It isn't hard, but if you don't know you can run into your situation jonii3 |
| 06:02.16 | tonytraductor | I even have some clients for whom I must use their "Internet Explorer only" invoicing systems to bill them. No problem |
| 06:02.30 | jonii3 | lol ectospasm |
| 06:02.32 | jonii3 | yeppers |
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| 06:02.54 | ectospasm | jonii3: please don't take that as me wondering about your abilities |
| 06:02.56 | tonytraductor | uhoh, that's not good, what happens when you do "apt-get update", and, have you tried "aptitude update"? |
| 06:03.12 | jonii3 | nah my abilities are... lacking when it comes to linux |
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| 06:03.14 | ectospasm | isn't there a dpkg command you can use to fix the problem |
| 06:03.20 | ectospasm | ? |
| 06:03.33 | jonii3 | apt-get update returns a bunch of 404 not found errors |
| 06:03.47 | jonii3 | and misterious file paths that I couldn't find until just now |
| 06:04.00 | jonii3 | is there a way to just get rid of all user added repositories? |
| 06:05.02 | tonytraductor | yeah, edit the /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:05.04 | ectospasm | jonii3: edit /etc/apt/sources.list* |
| 06:05.10 | tonytraductor | ha |
| 06:05.29 | jonii3 | but, some things are in sources.list.d |
| 06:05.31 | ectospasm | I dunno, does debian have /etc/apt/sources.list.d? |
| 06:05.40 | jonii3 | thats where I found my hiding repo's |
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| 06:05.45 | ectospasm | is too lazy to look at his debian sandbox |
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| 06:05.49 | jonii3 | lol |
| 06:06.00 | jonii3 | not sure ectospasm but ubuntu does |
| 06:06.11 | ectospasm | hold on, I'll look |
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| 06:06.57 | ectospasm | mine doesn't, but it's a vanilla install of squeeze with no GUI and the only service enabled is SSH |
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| 06:07.18 | tonytraductor | I have /etc/apt/source.list.d/ here, yes |
| 06:07.39 | tonytraductor | but all that's in there are the google-chrome repos...weird...I uninstalled that... |
| 06:08.44 | jonii3 | so would it be safe to delete the files in source.list.d/? |
| 06:08.59 | ectospasm | tonytraductor: why? Using "aptitude update && aptitude -y full-upgrade" will update Google Chrome, too, with their sources.list.d/google-chrome.list... |
| 06:09.00 | tonytraductor | it seems those, on my system, at least, are 3rd party repos |
| 06:09.16 | ectospasm | (that above command may be too Ubuntu-ey here) |
| 06:09.19 | jonii3 | yes mine are all ubuntu-wine-ppa-maverick or something close |
| 06:09.19 | jrtayloriv | When I'm working on a project that's using a newer version of a library than the one that's debian stable uses, what's the best way for me to be able to build packages that require the newer version, without installing the newer library systemwide? |
| 06:09.24 | tonytraductor | I switched from google's browser to our chromium |
| 06:09.46 | jrtayloriv | For example, I'm trying to build gimp, which needs a newer version of libbabl, but I don't want to just download a newer version of BABL and build from source and make install, because that would (a) possibly break something since it's not tested with the other installed packages (b) not be maintainable with aptitude anymore |
| 06:09.48 | ectospasm | tonytraductor: does chromium have Google's evil in it? |
| 06:09.48 | tonytraductor | backports |
| 06:09.55 | tonytraductor | dpkg backports |
| 06:09.55 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 06:10.15 | jonii3 | ectospasm: googles evil? |
| 06:10.26 | tonytraductor | well, google is involved in the chromium project, but, it's the 100% Free (àla RMS) version |
| 06:10.36 | ectospasm | jonii3: well, a lot of chromium users believe the ultra-Google parts of Chrome are evil |
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| 06:10.54 | tonytraductor | and it does work with all the evil google plugins (I have a handful installed, myself) |
| 06:11.00 | jonii3 | interesting... i've always liked google |
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| 06:11.32 | ectospasm | tonytraductor: does chromium have a way to store my interesting bits (e.g., bookmarks, passwords, pre-filled form data) in the cloud? |
| 06:11.33 | tonytraductor | without my google calendar, I'd be lost |
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| 06:11.53 | tonytraductor | I synch my bookmarks in chromium, but it IS a google service that does that |
| 06:12.20 | ectospasm | tonytraductor: can you sync everything with chromium? |
| 06:12.24 | tonytraductor | yes |
| 06:12.27 | jrtayloriv | tonytraductor, thanks -- but let's say that Debian uses foo 1.0 and I need foo 2.0 just to build Gimp. Does using a backport make it where everything in the system is now using 2.0? |
| 06:12.34 | ectospasm | ...but it syncs with google |
| 06:12.49 | tonytraductor | well, whichever version is in backports...maybe it's 1.7...I don't know |
| 06:12.50 | ectospasm | (I just remembered the name for what I'm talking about: Google Account) |
| 06:13.14 | jrtayloriv | Because I only want the gimp build to use 2.0, and still have foo 1.0 used for everything else. |
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| 06:13.36 | tonytraductor | there IS a way to do that, but I hven't dealt with that, personally |
| 06:14.09 | tonytraductor | you can, to my knowledge, have more than one version of a library installed |
| 06:14.14 | ectospasm | jrtayloriv: why not create a complete build environment in chroot? |
| 06:14.23 | jrtayloriv | tonytraductor, OK, thanks anyway. It's still useful to know about backports |
| 06:14.39 | tonytraductor | for instance, I have all the amd64 libs, but also IA32 libs on here so I can run some 32bit stuff |
| 06:14.52 | tonytraductor | that was pretty trivial, really, with aptitude |
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| 06:15.11 | jonii3 | what is the console delete command? |
| 06:15.18 | ectospasm | yeah, .so files usually don't step on each other |
| 06:15.22 | ectospasm | jonii3: rm |
| 06:15.27 | ectospasm | jonii3: or unlink |
| 06:15.34 | jonii3 | ty |
| 06:15.40 | jrtayloriv | ectospasm, (googling "complete build environment in chroot" -- brb) |
| 06:15.56 | ectospasm | jrtayloriv: yeah, I don't know exactly *how* to do that |
| 06:16.28 | ectospasm | jrtayloriv: or even, put together a virtual machine that has all the goodness you need to build The GIMP! |
| 06:16.32 | tonytraductor | looking at man ln...can't remember how to unlink...well, besides removing a link |
| 06:16.48 | ectospasm | tonytraductor: unlink. |
| 06:16.54 | jonii3 | !!! |
| 06:16.55 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 06:17.03 | tonytraductor | like, had I done ln -s something, just rm the symbolic link |
| 06:17.09 | jrtayloriv | ectospasm, I was going to do a VM, but my processor doesn't have VT so it's stupid slow |
| 06:17.09 | ectospasm | wait, csh has !!!? |
| 06:17.09 | jonii3 | lol sorry dpkg |
| 06:17.10 | emacsenlee | is "mount -t ntfs" the same with" mount -t ntfs-3g" ? |
| 06:17.11 | jonii3 | :D |
| 06:17.31 | ectospasm | emacsenlee: it is my understanding that is true, but I may be wrong about Debian |
| 06:17.35 | jonii3 | no idea but I FINALLY DID APT-GET UPDATE WITHOUT FAILING! |
| 06:17.39 | jonii3 | i feel smart |
| 06:17.50 | tonytraductor | :D |
| 06:18.18 | tonytraductor | tthat's the spirit of a true Debianero |
| 06:18.25 | tonytraductor | find a problem, solve it |
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| 06:18.27 | tonytraductor | feel smart |
| 06:18.29 | jonii3 | lol |
| 06:18.59 | ectospasm | one day, young grasshopper, you won't even need any help! ;-P |
| 06:19.09 | jonii3 | psh sure |
| 06:19.11 | peterrooney | and if you eventually master debian and want that same feeling, switch to the powerpc port. |
| 06:19.28 | tonytraductor | wow...unlink...who'd a thunk it? |
| 06:19.45 | tonytraductor | Macs suck...trying to revive an old one for a friend, now |
| 06:20.00 | tonytraductor | couldn't get X to work on squeeze |
| 06:20.29 | ectospasm | Apple sucks on principle |
| 06:20.29 | tonytraductor | tried about 6 other gnu/linux for ppc, and, now, in desperation, trying the ubu warty warthog |
| 06:20.31 | simonrvn | some of those old atis aren't very well supported |
| 06:20.34 | tonytraductor | it's still installing now |
| 06:20.45 | tonytraductor | I had an iBook about a decade ago, ran ydl on it, not so bad |
| 06:20.53 | danhealy | I have a simple tcp echo server that I can bind to any port. my iptables are flushed (-F) but it only seems to be externally accessible to some ports, eg port 22 (i remapped ssh to a diff port) and not the port I really want to map it to (8080) |
| 06:21.05 | simonrvn | likes powerpc arch, but not apple per se |
| 06:21.19 | jrtayloriv | ectospasm, Found a chroot build tutorial for Ubuntu -- http://linux.about.com/od/ubupck_doc/a/ubupg26t01.htm -- (which should be similar enough that I can figure it out) ... looks like exactly what I need. Thanks! |
| 06:21.25 | tonytraductor | I couldn't get arch running on this one, but I do like arch |
| 06:21.32 | tonytraductor | I played with that about a month ago. nice stuff |
| 06:21.42 | tonytraductor | I have a spare hdd here, and I'm thinking about putting arch on it |
| 06:21.45 | ectospasm | I'm wary of arch |
| 06:21.46 | simonrvn | arch short for architecture |
| 06:21.50 | danhealy | tried everything I can think of, nmap looks okay locally but externally the port doesnt show |
| 06:22.28 | ectospasm | danhealy: does netstat show the port you want to use as used? |
| 06:22.48 | ectospasm | danhealy: what kind of scan are you trying with nmap? |
| 06:22.52 | tonytraductor | this is going to sound really stupid, but, you don't need to open or forward the port on a router or gateway somewhere? |
| 06:22.55 | danhealy | yeah tcp 0 0 *:http-alt *:* LISTEN |
| 06:23.09 | tonytraductor | yeah, nevermind |
| 06:23.16 | simonrvn | it's useless nmap'ping locally, use netstat |
| 06:23.34 | tonytraductor | my nephew swears by arch |
| 06:23.35 | ectospasm | danhealy: add the -n option |
| 06:24.03 | danhealy | does this look right? tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:8080 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 06:24.08 | jonii3 | Alright so I'm trying to configure wine from source and I only have 2 major problems left with ./configure |
| 06:24.13 | tonytraductor | I gave him his first gnu/linux about oh 8 or 9 years ago, a suse box set, and now he's at UMass Amherst studying compsci and computational linguistics (did I mention I'm a linguist?) |
| 06:24.15 | ectospasm | danhealy: are you root? then add the -p option |
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| 06:24.22 | jonii3 | checking wether gcc -m32 works... no |
| 06:24.29 | simonrvn | linguist? cool |
| 06:24.31 | ectospasm | tonytraductor: a cunning linguist? |
| 06:24.31 | jonii3 | and 32 bit program under 64 bit os |
| 06:24.36 | tonytraductor | well, translator, yes, very cunning |
| 06:24.43 | danhealy | its a ruby script and its showing as 24138/ruby |
| 06:24.50 | jonii3 | does anyone have any ideas for either issue? |
| 06:24.54 | tonytraductor | jonii3, you def have gcc installed, yes? |
| 06:25.00 | ectospasm | danhealy: is 24138 the PID of your process? |
| 06:25.03 | simonrvn | !b-e |
| 06:25.03 | dpkg | it has been said that build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 06:25.08 | jonii3 | um, no? |
| 06:25.11 | jonii3 | i'm not sure |
| 06:25.15 | danhealy | yeah |
| 06:25.17 | jonii3 | i think so? |
| 06:25.24 | simonrvn | !b-e jonii3 |
| 06:25.24 | dpkg | jonii3: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 06:25.31 | jonii3 | yes, i did that |
| 06:25.32 | danhealy | so when I try to telnet to that port externally it just hangs |
| 06:25.36 | jonii3 | and checking for gcc... gcc |
| 06:25.37 | danhealy | if I change it to 22 it works fine |
| 06:25.38 | tonytraductor | also, aptitude install ia32-libs |
| 06:26.09 | jonii3 | tonytraductor: if I don't have aptitude, apt-get will work fine, right? |
| 06:26.16 | tonytraductor | or apt-get if that's your preference, sure |
| 06:26.36 | tonytraductor | sorry...I just always use aptitude |
| 06:26.42 | ectospasm | danhealy: sounds like a bug in the TCP echo script |
| 06:26.46 | tonytraductor | but apt-get will do just fine |
| 06:26.51 | ectospasm | tonytraductor: I do too...in Ubuntu even! |
| 06:26.52 | jonii3 | k, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed and 0 to remove |
| 06:27.17 | tonytraductor | I have peppermint os on my laptop (ubu/mint mix), and use aptitude there, too |
| 06:27.47 | danhealy | ectospasm: so this is a vps, assuming the script is okay could it be a problem with the actual server? |
| 06:28.05 | tonytraductor | all my workhorses and my server are all Squeezey goodness, though |
| 06:28.17 | ectospasm | I think I know the answer to this, but is it trivial to change the apt mirror to the closest/least cost/best/etc. using just the CLI? In Ubuntu the only way I've figured out how to do it is using Synaptic |
| 06:28.33 | ectospasm | danhealy: I'd still look at the script first |
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| 06:29.12 | tonytraductor | well, if you know where the mirror is, again, you could edit /etc/apt/sources.list, but that's the only way I know from the CLI |
| 06:29.17 | tonytraductor | with vim or nano or something |
| 06:29.22 | jonii3 | tonytraductor: is there another package I should install to fix the gcc -m32? |
| 06:29.25 | danhealy | is there some standard configurable echo server I can use instead? |
| 06:29.49 | danhealy | something simple to test it |
| 06:29.56 | tonytraductor | well, that would depend on what it's doing, i suppose |
| 06:30.20 | ectospasm | tonytraductor: no, I'm talking about a utility that queries all the known mirrors, and chooses the one that has the lowest latency to your system. |
| 06:30.22 | tonytraductor | it may be that you were trying to compile a 32bit program on 64bits, with 64bit gcc, before install ia32-libs |
| 06:30.35 | ectospasm | I've googled it, and I think I saw stuff, but it was all for Debian |
| 06:30.46 | ectospasm | Ubuntu eschews the command line in general |
| 06:30.49 | tonytraductor | I'm not aware of any such utility, no...wouldn't surprise me if there was one, though |
| 06:30.56 | tonytraductor | that's what sucks about ubuntuy |
| 06:30.56 | jonii3 | tonytraductor: uh.... I think you mean I screwed something up |
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| 06:31.15 | ectospasm | tonytraductor: yeah, but on loved ones' systems I wouldn't put anything else |
| 06:31.19 | tonytraductor | well, it shouldn't have broken anything, just refused to install |
| 06:31.35 | tonytraductor | I gaave my mom lenny a year ago and she loves it |
| 06:31.41 | tonytraductor | time to upgrade her to squeeze, though |
| 06:32.01 | tonytraductor | of course, she had some xp garbage, before, so, no wonder she loved lenny |
| 06:32.28 | jonii3 | tony... watch it, I was using "some xp garbage" about 8 hours ago |
| 06:32.30 | tonytraductor | ran like 5 times faster on her old PII 200 mhz 128mb ram PoS |
| 06:32.34 | danhealy | ectospasm: thanks for your help |
| 06:32.38 | tonytraductor | I feel for you |
| 06:32.43 | jonii3 | lol |
| 06:32.46 | jonii3 | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/582796/ |
| 06:32.52 | jonii3 | thats ./configure |
| 06:32.57 | jonii3 | after that everything fails |
| 06:33.22 | tonytraductor | this is after install the ia32-libs? |
| 06:33.27 | ectospasm | tonytraductor: what GUI is she using? |
| 06:33.30 | ectospasm | (just curious |
| 06:33.32 | ectospasm | ) |
| 06:33.33 | tonytraductor | b/c it IS refusing to install 32b on 64b |
| 06:33.37 | tonytraductor | xfce |
| 06:33.43 | jonii3 | well when i did the ia32-libs nothing got added |
| 06:33.49 | jonii3 | it said everything was up to date |
| 06:33.52 | tonytraductor | hmmm... |
| 06:33.54 | ectospasm | I've got my grandfather running stock Lucid I think |
| 06:34.01 | jonii3 | but 277 not upgraded? |
| 06:34.01 | nevyn | jonii3: did you install ia32-libs-gtk |
| 06:34.04 | tonytraductor | I thnk you need to seek out a 64b version, then |
| 06:34.07 | nevyn | which is seperate. |
| 06:34.08 | tonytraductor | somethings won't install |
| 06:34.15 | jonii3 | nevyn I can try that |
| 06:34.21 | tonytraductor | oh yeah, |
| 06:34.27 | ectospasm | after I finally locked it down (from him, not the Intarwebben), I have no complaints |
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| 06:34.51 | nevyn | if you're running ./configure you need the 64bit libs and the -dev packages |
| 06:34.59 | jonii3 | its selecting ia32-libs instead of ia32-libs-gtk |
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| 06:35.15 | tonytraductor | maybe even ia32-libs-dev (is gcc part of dev?) |
| 06:35.23 | jonii3 | alright, so somehow i'm supposed to find a 64 bit version of wine.. |
| 06:35.41 | nevyn | just install the wine package. |
| 06:35.51 | tonytraductor | well if getting all that ia32 goodness (including gtk and dev) doesn't resolve the issue |
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| 06:36.04 | tonytraductor | or, yeah, just apt-get install wine |
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| 06:36.08 | jonii3 | yep dev doesn't exist |
| 06:36.12 | jonii3 | I could, but I need to patch it |
| 06:36.19 | tonytraductor | weird...ubuntu is weird |
| 06:36.21 | nevyn | hrm I havn't installed wine yet.. |
| 06:36.21 | jonii3 | and AFAIK that means installing from source |
| 06:36.25 | tonytraductor | right |
| 06:36.33 | tonytraductor | I don't have wine installed, either |
| 06:36.35 | nevyn | I installed citrix client and skype tho |
| 06:36.47 | jonii3 | :O you guys don't have wine? |
| 06:36.50 | nevyn | and got skype talking to pulseaudio which was awesome. |
| 06:36.51 | tonytraductor | I do have skype, I think |
| 06:37.05 | ectospasm | bleh |
| 06:37.09 | tonytraductor | we have it (as a debian pkg), I just haven't any need for it |
| 06:37.11 | jonii3 | wine is kinda the deciding factor for me, if it works well i'll stick to linux, otherwise, its back to windoze |
| 06:37.12 | ectospasm | Skype's network is so buggy |
| 06:37.27 | tonytraductor | I just use the google-voice |
| 06:37.29 | nevyn | jonii3: what do you need wine for? |
| 06:37.44 | jonii3 | mostly games |
| 06:37.56 | ectospasm | who has time to play games? |
| 06:38.06 | jonii3 | not really NEED, but i'd rather have windows than not have games |
| 06:38.11 | nevyn | jonii3: if you're serious about windows games.. you need a windows install wine is going to just frustrate you. |
| 06:38.12 | jonii3 | um, a 15 year old kid? |
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| 06:38.42 | nevyn | so srsly I solve this with consoles. |
| 06:38.48 | ectospasm | I wouldn't say they "need" to play games. Not like you need water, or oxygen |
| 06:39.02 | tonytraductor | success! the ancient mac is now running (w00t) warty warthog |
| 06:39.06 | jonii3 | eh I could get a console, I've thought about it before |
| 06:39.22 | jonii3 | but league of legends should run fine under wine, from what i've read |
| 06:39.44 | nevyn | jonii3: so I assume you installed all the wine bits from apt and it doesn't work? |
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| 06:40.03 | jonii3 | no? |
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| 06:42.19 | jonii3 | ok, so I can find a ton of stuff on how to install 64 bit wine, but no where does it tell me where to actually download the mythical program |
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| 06:44.44 | nevyn | apt-get install wine-unstable - Windows API implementation - standard suite |
| 06:45.20 | nevyn | actually you probably want playonlinux for your use case |
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| 06:53.39 | lifenaked | I am new to Debian (mainly have used fedora) and I wanted to update my dist from 6.0 to 6.0.1, would the apt-get dist-update be the correct method ? |
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| 06:58.45 | fr0stbyt3 | jonii3, HoN has a linux build :) screw LoL! |
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| 06:59.15 | jonii3 | fr0stbyt3 |
| 06:59.21 | jonii3 | thats blasphemy |
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| 06:59.36 | jonii3 | I've tried HoN, I hated it with a passion |
| 06:59.47 | fr0stbyt3 | cackles maniacally |
| 07:00.12 | jonii3 | LoL is nice, balanced and fun, Hon is nothing but 15 second stuns and OP moves |
| 07:00.13 | fr0stbyt3 | tried OnLive? |
| 07:00.19 | jonii3 | I have actually |
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| 07:01.10 | nevyn | lifenaked: that's how I'd do it but check with the manual toverify |
| 07:01.40 | fr0stbyt3 | ive been from ubuntu to hackintosh to debian to archlinux to crunchbang and back, and gaming on anything but windows or console is just a bitch. i hate developers who don't cross-compile, in this day and age give me a break |
| 07:02.27 | jonii3 | I totally agree, gaming anything but windows is hard to get started, but if you find something that works on linux? soooo much nicer than windows |
| 07:02.43 | jonii3 | With windows, gaming is nice but as soon as you close the game your back to hell |
| 07:02.45 | treebeen | lifenaked: it's dist-upgrade, and aptitude is preferred usually, "aptitude full-upgrade" |
| 07:02.45 | nevyn | jonii3: so playonlinux |
| 07:03.16 | jonii3 | nevyn I actually just got that and am going to try it out, I'm also trying to compile wine with a special little patch for one of my games |
| 07:03.29 | jonii3 | oh wait you knew that already sorry |
| 07:04.03 | ectospasm | Actually, Windows7 is kinda nice. Not ideal, but I don't feel like ritually cleansing myself like I do with older versions of Windows. By divine providence I have never used Vista except in very small doses. |
| 07:04.10 | fr0stbyt3 | playonlinux just wraps wine and it failed hard, for me at least. winetricks was helpful, to a point |
| 07:04.54 | jonii3 | ectospasm... you are the luckiest man ever |
| 07:05.04 | nevyn | jonii3: building wine is a non-trivial endeavor. |
| 07:05.09 | jonii3 | I've been forced to use nothing but vista for more than a year and a half |
| 07:05.23 | fr0stbyt3 | jonii3, lol, why |
| 07:05.39 | jonii3 | fr0stbyt3: it came with my computer AND my new desktop |
| 07:05.44 | ectospasm | I hear a lot of big companies have just transitioned to XP |
| 07:05.45 | jonii3 | and I can't buy 7 |
| 07:05.51 | ectospasm | ...within the last two years |
| 07:05.55 | fr0stbyt3 | w7 is a lot better than I expected. i was sittin on XP for a while expecting it to be shit |
| 07:05.56 | jonii3 | lol |
| 07:06.12 | jonii3 | nevyn: its hard when your as new to linux as I am |
| 07:06.18 | ectospasm | fr0stbyt3: that's the exact terminology I'd use: "better than expected" |
| 07:06.36 | ectospasm | Windows 7, they got it right. That's a big deal coming from Redmond |
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| 07:06.57 | ectospasm | Windows networking is still foobarred if you don't have a domain controller, though |
| 07:07.02 | fr0stbyt3 | but im still just sshing into my debian virtualbox, and the hotkeys, inconsistencies, UI freezes, piece of crap IDEs, slow UIs, kasdansdaejklrhsdcaskjdas hate microsoft with a passion |
| 07:07.03 | jonii3 | Windows 7 definetly is good, but its so... bad |
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| 07:07.08 | ectospasm | That "Home Group" crap don't make no sense |
| 07:07.35 | Vikash_ | Hello Everyone!!! I have this idea of making an speech to text ide.. for gsoc... how should I start |
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| 07:08.18 | ectospasm | Vikash_: IDE? Integrated Development Environment? |
| 07:08.31 | ectospasm | so, code by speaking? |
| 07:08.31 | Vikash_ | ya |
| 07:08.36 | Vikash_ | ya |
| 07:08.46 | ectospasm | I'm sure you could write a plugin for emacs |
| 07:09.00 | jonii3 | checking wether gcc -m32 works... no |
| 07:09.06 | Vikash_ | ectospasm: cant say much on that ... |
| 07:09.06 | jonii3 | does anyone know how I fix this? |
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| 07:09.39 | ectospasm | jonii3: google "gcc m32 dependencies" |
| 07:09.45 | jonii3 | alright |
| 07:09.59 | ectospasm | Vikash_: do you already have an IDE you'd like to program for? |
| 07:10.30 | Vikash_ | I would prefer genie, vim or eclipse... |
| 07:10.40 | Vikash_ | those are my all time favs... |
| 07:10.58 | ectospasm | I'm sure if you wanted to have this IDE be useful in a Windows world there are a wealth of articles about writing VisualStudio plugins on Microsoft's pages. |
| 07:11.04 | Vikash_ | also I was planning to make a facial recognition system... |
| 07:11.24 | simonrvn | ectospasm: "fubar" > fucked up beyond all recognition |
| 07:11.50 | tonytraductor | I don't use IDEs |
| 07:11.54 | tonytraductor | I use nano |
| 07:11.58 | ectospasm | simonrvn: yes, but I figured that be impolite here (and I'm new) |
| 07:12.04 | tonytraductor | because I'm a real man. |
| 07:12.05 | tonytraductor | :P |
| 07:12.06 | ectospasm | tonytraductor: blecch: vim FTW! |
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| 07:12.13 | Vikash_ | ectospasm: Love Life Linux |
| 07:12.47 | tonytraductor | I don't like vim, but I've been more or less forced to learn how to use it, since on my paid hosting it's the only editor on the server |
| 07:13.02 | tonytraductor | at home, I use nano...just easier |
| 07:13.15 | ectospasm | tonytraductor: does nano have syntax highlighting? |
| 07:13.28 | tonytraductor | although for all my webediting, I mostly use tcltext, since it has a builtin ftp feature for uploading stuff |
| 07:13.40 | tonytraductor | nano CAN have syntax highlight, you have to enable it |
| 07:13.42 | tonytraductor | I do have it |
| 07:13.43 | ectospasm | gak. TCL should be banned outright |
| 07:13.44 | simonrvn | ectospasm: it's an acronym heh |
| 07:13.56 | tonytraductor | OMG. Tcl is my favorite! what are you talking about! |
| 07:14.02 | ectospasm | simonrvn: yes, but in a lot of programming texts you see "foo" and "bar" |
| 07:14.21 | tonytraductor | and #tcl is the only channel as friendly as #debian |
| 07:14.22 | tonytraductor | seriously |
| 07:14.25 | ectospasm | simonrvn: it's called acronym obfuscation |
| 07:14.50 | ectospasm | tonytraductor: I find #ubuntu to be just as polite, but it's like drinking from the firehose |
| 07:14.57 | tonytraductor | Tool Command Language = tcl |
| 07:15.00 | Vikash_ | Please tell me is the idea good??? or not |
| 07:15.13 | ectospasm | tonytraductor: I also find ##club-ubuntu to be polite, but much more laid back |
| 07:15.17 | tonytraductor | a facial recog sys? |
| 07:15.20 | ectospasm | in #ubuntu they're really uptight |
| 07:15.28 | ectospasm | Vikash_: I think it's great |
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| 07:15.29 | simonrvn | ectospasm: i know. i've been around the block a few times ;) |
| 07:15.35 | tonytraductor | weird. I wouldn't expect #ubuntu to be uptight |
| 07:15.42 | ectospasm | simonrvn: heh, OK. So have I (-; |
| 07:15.44 | tonytraductor | must be chock full 0' n00bs |
| 07:15.48 | Vikash_ | ectospasm: thanks |
| 07:16.07 | tonytraductor | I should go to sleep, since I'm not getting any work done. |
| 07:17.03 | tonytraductor | sleep 14400 ; translate stuff |
| 07:17.12 | ectospasm | Vikash_: what speech to text engine do you want to use? |
| 07:19.24 | tonytraductor | okay, in four hours this machine is going to blare the Imperial March to wake me up. |
| 07:19.26 | Vikash_ | currently havent thought that far... but the idea is in intial stage |
| 07:19.27 | tonytraductor | g'night |
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| 07:23.28 | Vikash_ | So what should I do.. Should i give an application regarding this... if yes then under which org |
| 07:23.31 | Vikash_ | in soc |
| 07:23.32 | ectospasm | Vikash_: first, pick two out of three: fast, cheap, easy to use. Find a speech to text codec that is free (preferably open source/Free Software[TM] so you can distribute it), and figure out how to wrap it |
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| 07:24.47 | Vikash_ | "how to wrap it" ??? |
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| 07:25.14 | nevyn | how to integrate the codec/engine into your particular application |
| 07:25.47 | nevyn | this is assuming you don't want to actually write a speech to text engine. |
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| 07:36.37 | ectospasm | Vikash_: write a series of interfaces: Sound input -> speech to text engine > text output > appropriate plugin in IDE |
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| 07:38.11 | Vikash_ | ectospasm: THis is still in my thought... But I thought some thing like this speeh input > data base > text output > dropdown list for similar words > done gosh |
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| 07:39.21 | ectospasm | Vikash_: it's gotta be: input > speech to text engine > text > database, unless the database has a native speech to text input method |
| 07:40.06 | Vikash_ | ok |
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| 07:42.30 | ectospasm | dpkg naming convention |
| 07:42.30 | dpkg | ectospasm: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 07:42.30 | ectospasm | dpkg debian naming convention |
| 07:42.30 | dpkg | ectospasm: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 07:42.46 | Vikash_ | so should i apply for gsoc of this idea... if y then under which org |
| 07:42.48 | peterrooney | dpkg: listkeys convention |
| 07:42.50 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'convention' by key returned no results. |
| 07:42.57 | peterrooney | dpkg: listkeys naming |
| 07:42.58 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'naming' by key (2): disable persistent interface naming ;; debian naming. |
| 07:43.12 | ectospasm | dpkg debian naming |
| 07:43.12 | dpkg | testing == woody != unstable == sid |
| 07:43.25 | ectospasm | grah? |
| 07:43.27 | ectospasm | woody? |
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| 07:44.19 | peterrooney | that's a bit outdated... |
| 07:44.28 | peterrooney | brings back some fond memories, though |
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| 07:44.58 | ectospasm | current testing is wheezy, right? |
| 07:45.06 | peterrooney | dpkg: debian naming |
| 07:45.06 | dpkg | it has been said that debian naming is "testing == wheezy != unstable == sid" |
| 07:45.13 | Vikash_ | ??? |
| 07:45.26 | bourbaki | hidiho, id like to install debian on my 1st generation ppc mac mini, does anyone of you know a good howto for that? |
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| 07:47.43 | peterrooney | bourbaki: if you've installed on x86 before, it should be as straightforward as popping CD in, holding 'C' key down when the startup chime rings out, and following directions. |
| 07:48.31 | bourbaki | peterrooney : ok thanks, thought that there might be some apple specific specialties but if its just that im perfectly fine :) |
| 07:48.32 | peterrooney | bourbaki: and, if all else fails, there is #debianppc |
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| 07:49.06 | bourbaki | neat thanks a lot |
| 07:49.28 | peterrooney | debian has what, twelve different installer CDs depending on arch... lat time i counted |
| 07:49.36 | peterrooney | s/lat/last/ |
| 07:50.06 | bourbaki | peterrooney : i picked 6.0.1-powerpc-netinst.iso |
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| 07:53.43 | simonrvn | 11 or 13 |
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| 07:54.54 | pablolib0 | anybody for here? |
| 07:55.20 | pablolib0 | no? |
| 07:57.37 | nevyn | no. |
| 07:57.44 | simonrvn | plenty, or no one, depending ;p |
| 07:57.46 | nevyn | glad we sorted that out. |
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| 07:59.05 | simonrvn | sure did ;0 |
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| 08:03.16 | peterrooney | i was confused. thanks. |
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| 08:08.36 | fr0stbyt3 | is the name DirectX just a coincidence compared to X.org/X server? |
| 08:09.34 | fr0stbyt3 | by that i mean naming convention, microsoft copying the unix community |
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| 08:11.22 | erAbuelo | buenos dias |
| 08:11.40 | nevyn | fr0stbyt3: heh yes it's just coincidence |
| 08:11.53 | Bushmills | DirectX doesn't support mdmcp |
| 08:12.21 | Bushmills | or would they call it mxdmcp |
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| 08:14.39 | wp | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:14.43 | wp | woops :) |
| 08:15.49 | wp | got the following issue after first boot of squeeze (upgraded from lenny) http://paste.debian.net/111314/ |
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| 08:18.10 | s3phir0th115 | I'm guessing a bunch of downloads are down on account of the 6.0.1 update? |
| 08:18.21 | wp | a few, not much |
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| 08:25.07 | Posterdati | hi |
| 08:26.21 | Leoneof | hi, i've 8 DVDs for Debian 6.0.0, it is possible to update them to 6.0.1 by using jigdo ? |
| 08:26.29 | Posterdati | my box become slow (squeeze + kde4 athlon64 dual core 8GB ram), I tried the /dev/cgroup trick, with humble results |
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| 08:32.05 | xk | who burns DVD installs of debian? |
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| 08:32.36 | Bushmills | those with limited bandwidth internet connections, i'd say |
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| 08:33.04 | Bushmills | the others do netinstall |
| 08:33.06 | wp | wouldnt the full dvd's use more bw then a netinstall? :) |
| 08:33.07 | xk | well, how did you get those 8 DVDs in the first place |
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| 08:33.28 | Bushmills | wp, not if you copy it from another |
| 08:33.34 | cahoot | someplace else? |
| 08:33.41 | wp | fixed the mysql issue btw, skip-dbd was the cause... |
| 08:34.06 | wp | this is the 5th box having issues with mysql after the upgrade to squeeze |
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| 08:37.03 | Bushmills | Leoneof: yes, sure. the process of doing so could be described as "trash and replace" |
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| 08:39.16 | Bushmills | but consider that, even if installation comes from a slightly older installation medium, you can still upgrade the installation to up-to-date |
| 08:39.37 | Bushmills | (provided you have some kind of internet access) |
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| 08:43.33 | Leoneof | Bushmills: great, thank you :) |
| 08:43.33 | Leoneof | xk: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/bt-dvd/ |
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| 08:44.08 | xk | netinstall > dvd |
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| 08:46.17 | Leoneof | how |
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| 08:46.52 | Leoneof | 8 dvd < netinstall ? |
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| 08:50.35 | xk | time, bandwidth, swapping media |
| 08:50.44 | xk | with a netinstall, you dont need to be physically at the machine |
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| 08:51.41 | Leoneof | no, i have very slow internet connection, thanks to Debian for these 8 DVDs. |
| 08:52.35 | Posterdati | 8 DVDs? |
| 08:52.53 | Leoneof | Posterdati: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/bt-dvd/ |
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| 08:55.03 | xk | well |
| 08:55.05 | xk | how slow is it? |
| 08:55.47 | Leoneof | xk: 10kbps |
| 08:55.58 | xk | thats worse than dialup |
| 08:56.02 | xk | 10 kbits? |
| 08:56.05 | xk | or kbytes? |
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| 08:56.34 | Leoneof | xk: 10 kbyte, it is wireless. |
| 08:57.21 | xk | 3G eh? |
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| 08:58.34 | Leoneof | xk: oh no man, it is advanced wireless N router connected to WISP, so ISP is suck. |
| 08:59.00 | xk | whats the range? |
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| 08:59.54 | Leoneof | umm, i use external antenna, slow internet is about $40, good internet is $100 |
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| 09:00.14 | Leoneof | xk: best internet is about $350 |
| 09:00.17 | Leoneof | per month |
| 09:00.21 | xk | what country? |
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| 09:00.40 | Leoneof | iraq |
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| 09:02.33 | courpse | Leoneof, You only need CD1, you dont need all 8 DVDs. |
| 09:02.44 | courpse | CD1 is required, the rest is packages. |
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| 09:03.36 | Leoneof | courpse: indeed, but what if i want to install something? it will require many hours to download. |
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| 09:03.52 | Leoneof | courpse: uh, don't worry, i've 8 dvd already :) |
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| 09:06.10 | darthvader | I know this isn't the right room but I am getting 0 responses elsewhere. Anyone have any experience with janusvm? |
| 09:06.16 | Bushmills | depends on the "something". a package of 1 MiB is already relatively sizeable, and would download in about 2 minutes on your link. dependencies not considered. |
| 09:06.46 | Bushmills | sounds faster than gentoo compiles the same |
| 09:07.20 | jrtayloriv | Is there a way to determine the minimum kernel version supported for a given version of glibc? |
| 09:07.28 | Leoneof | Bushmills: right, but sometimes i don't have internet connection, lacking the money :) |
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| 09:09.33 | waterloo2005 | I use intel video card and gnome . Now I can not find xorg.conf in /etc/X11 . How to create it automatically ? thx |
| 09:10.16 | Bushmills | waterloo2005: xorg -configure. |
| 09:10.30 | Bushmills | but try to run xorg without any xorg.conf at all |
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| 09:11.17 | waterloo2005 | Bushmills, even now I have no xorg.conf file , I still can use gnome . Do I need to create it ? thx |
| 09:11.43 | Bushmills | no need if you're happy with the result of X autodetection |
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| 09:25.32 | baz | chaps, having odd DNS problems - ping/host/nslookup can resolve, but wget/curl cannot. If I use 'wget -4' then it works, so perhaps misconfigured ipv6 weirdness? |
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| 09:25.53 | baz | resolv.conf and nsswitch.conf are unaltered - running squeeze on x86_64 |
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| 09:26.20 | baz | not sure where else to look, google is being coy |
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| 09:27.29 | quentusrex | Can someone assist with fixing a failed grub2 upgrade? |
| 09:27.56 | ompaul | baz: did you consider the server you are trying to get to may not be on ipv6 |
| 09:28.00 | quentusrex | I believe I need to reinstall the mbr, |
| 09:28.22 | quentusrex | but I can't seem to figure out how it can be done. I can mount the drive and mount the file system |
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| 09:28.32 | baz | ompaul: that's fine, I don't need or want ipv6 - can I turn it off? |
| 09:28.38 | xk | baz: hmm... I had that happen to me. |
| 09:28.38 | quentusrex | but not quite sure how to fix the mbr so that the drive can boot. |
| 09:28.54 | xk | problem was that the DNS I was using, would randomly fail on AAAA requests. |
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| 09:29.17 | xk | (debian's libc, unfortunately, forces the use of ipv6 dns, even if ipv6 is disableD) |
| 09:29.25 | baz | xk: my dns server is my cheap-ass router, but my other devices on the same network can all resolve DNS fine |
| 09:29.26 | xk | funnily enough, ubuntu has this problem fixed. |
| 09:29.35 | ompaul | !fixgrub |
| 09:29.35 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 09:29.56 | xk | baz: ok... run a tcpdump to see if it is taking time to return dns responses. |
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| 09:30.08 | xk | your other devices are what? |
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| 09:30.31 | xk | are they running debian squeeze? if not, sure they wont suffer from the same problem :) |
| 09:30.50 | ompaul | !noipv6 |
| 09:30.50 | dpkg | To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 09:30.52 | baz | xk: ha, no a WDTV media player and a few Apple devices - laptop, iphone, appletv |
| 09:30.58 | xk | thats the thing |
| 09:31.01 | xk | the problem is with libc |
| 09:31.02 | baz | xk: installing tcpdump - aptitude can resolve fine, thank goodness |
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| 09:32.21 | xk | ompaul: let me find the bug report about ipv6 + dns. |
| 09:32.27 | xk | ipv6 dns is built into libc |
| 09:32.45 | xk | even if ipv6 is disable, the dns client resolver sends a AAAA request regardless. |
| 09:32.57 | xk | debian's libc suffers from that problem; ubuntu apparently has it fixed |
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| 09:33.36 | baz | so disabling ipv6 is not going to help? worth a try anyway? |
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| 09:34.20 | xk | best to verify with tcpdump |
| 09:34.22 | baz | I have no idea how to read this tcpdump output |
| 09:34.25 | xk | because it could be a different problem, but I doubt it |
| 09:34.27 | baz | the 2 relevant lines seem to be |
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| 09:34.31 | baz | 16:32:20.179972 IP xpc.local.60507 > 192.168.16.1.domain: 2997+ PTR? 70.16.168.192.in-addr.arpa. (44) |
| 09:34.35 | baz | and |
| 09:34.39 | baz | 16:32:20.207318 IP 192.168.16.1.domain > xpc.local.60507: 2997 NXDomain*- 0/0/0 (44) |
| 09:34.44 | xk | anything else? |
| 09:34.49 | xk | A or AAAA request? |
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| 09:34.54 | tecdroid | hi |
| 09:35.04 | baz | xk: no, I started logging, then ran get, then ctrl-c'd tcpdump |
| 09:35.18 | baz | no other lines mention my router (ie. dns server) |
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| 09:35.25 | baz | that's 192.168.16.1 btw |
| 09:35.32 | baz | *get=wget |
| 09:35.42 | tecdroid | got some problems with my touchpad since last update :( anyone seen those? tapping doesn't work anymore |
| 09:36.00 | tecdroid | btw. my reportbug throws a segfault.. |
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| 09:37.23 | baz | ah, tried again with tcpdump -vv |
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| 09:38.14 | baz | it does an A query, then AAAA query, then another A, then a whole bunch of PTR |
| 09:38.25 | baz | the results look correct though, so no idea why it fails to resolve |
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| 09:39.24 | shalok | In wolfenstein: enemy territory, pressing alt-enter takes me out of full-screen mode but how do I release the mouse? |
| 09:39.33 | Bushmills | baz, tried dig? |
| 09:40.12 | xk | ok |
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| 09:40.14 | tweek_ | hi everyone, question: is there any valuable information in this? - http://paste.debian.net/plain/111317 |
| 09:40.16 | xk | thats' the problem |
| 09:40.22 | xk | same problem as I had |
| 09:40.36 | xk | randomly, the dns resolver may take 2-5-10 seconds to respond |
| 09:40.40 | xk | if you send it too many AAAA requests |
| 09:40.56 | xk | the only "solution" is to force each of your clients on debian to use ipv4 only |
| 09:41.04 | xk | (disabling ipv6 on the system won't fix it) |
| 09:41.11 | xk | or, use a different DNS server |
| 09:41.18 | baz | Bushmills: I'll try now, I expect it will work |
| 09:41.22 | xk | let me find the bug report |
| 09:41.45 | baz | Bushmills: yes, dig can resolve github.com no problem - wget cannot |
| 09:42.16 | Bushmills | try dig hostname AAAA too, repeat several times |
| 09:42.46 | baz | Bushmills: tried like 20 times, works quickly/instantly every time |
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| 09:42.56 | baz | 20-25 msec query time |
| 09:43.18 | xk | wget fails 100% of the time? |
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| 09:43.33 | Bushmills | hm. github.com? querying AAAA don't return an answer block |
| 09:43.36 | baz | xk: yes, 100% failure unless I run 'wget -4' |
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| 09:44.34 | baz | Bushmills: good point - that's the host that's failing though - I thought we were just looking for a delay |
| 09:45.19 | xk | "On modern linux systems the latest version of the glibc resolver sends two DNS requests in parallel: a ipv4 (A) request and a ipv6 (Quad-A) request. Although this is a correct way of doing things, some buggy ISP DNS servers or even some router devices do not respond properly and make the requests time out." |
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| 09:46.53 | xk | " because various |
| 09:46.54 | xk | apps *do* make AAAA requests with IPv6 completely disabled in the |
| 09:46.54 | xk | kernel! But as it turns out, the regular feature has already |
| 09:46.54 | xk | existed since glibc 2.3.3. |
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| 09:47.30 | Bushmills | auto rejoiner :P |
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| 09:48.05 | tecdroid | noone an idea? |
| 09:48.06 | baz | tried changing my resolv.conf to use upstream ISP DNS servers - no dice |
| 09:48.21 | xk | try 4.2.2.2 |
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| 09:49.18 | baz | ooh, that works |
| 09:49.36 | baz | huh |
| 09:50.22 | Bushmills | baz, using your own resolver/recursive name server? |
| 09:50.53 | baz | Bushmills: using my router as a DNS server (which works for my other machines) breaks wget - setting resolv.conf to use my ISP's DNS servers also breaks wget |
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| 09:51.02 | baz | but setting resolv.conf to use 4.2.2.2 as DNS makes it work |
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| 09:51.38 | baz | I guess my ISP has some kind of flaky DNS issue - no surprises there |
| 09:51.43 | Bushmills | routers usually only forward dns requests, and don't recurse themselves |
| 09:52.09 | Bushmills | unless reflashing firmware and putting some real recursive name server on |
| 09:52.27 | baz | well unless there is a reason not to just stick with 4.2.2.2 I think I'll consider this fixed |
| 09:52.35 | Bushmills | so the requests may end up at the same name server with your router |
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| 09:52.46 | baz | Bushmills: yeah looks like the ISP is at fault - not the router itself |
| 09:53.01 | zophy | sometimes 4.2.2.2 goes down |
| 09:53.11 | zophy | it did once 3 years ago |
| 09:53.17 | baz | guess I should look at opendns or google dns |
| 09:53.30 | baz | zophy: that is better uptime than this country, so not really a concern :) |
| 09:53.33 | Bushmills | google dns is not very reliable, has down times frequently |
| 09:53.42 | zophy | 4.2.2.2 is easy to remember |
| 09:54.29 | Bushmills | http://stats.scarydevilmonastery.net/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/dnsresponse_8_8_8_8.html actually wasn't that bad last week ... |
| 09:54.33 | tripchip | i didn't register this |
| 09:54.43 | Bushmills | just 2 hours, yesterday |
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| 09:58.24 | baz | well working fine now, so many thanks guys |
| 09:58.48 | baz | ttfn |
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| 10:11.06 | xk | Bastihase: I spent quite a number of hours on that problem :) |
| 10:11.09 | xk | baz rather |
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| 10:11.24 | xk | let me find the bug report though |
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| 10:13.04 | xk | glibc (2.9-8) unstable; urgency=low Starting with version 2.9-8, unified IPv4/IPv6 lookup have been enabled in the glibc's resolver. This is faster, fixes numerous of bugs, but is problematic on some broken DNS servers and/or wrongly configured firewalls. |
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| 10:14.00 | xk | "My results after enabling options single-request in /etc/resolv.conf, |
| 10:14.01 | xk | this is the same as the 3-redirect wget I did earlier" |
| 10:14.12 | xk | add "options single-request" to resolv.conf? |
| 10:14.25 | xk | damn, he's gone :) |
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| 10:18.36 | LiohAu | does anybody know how to configure vsftpd with virtual users ? and how to debug the configuration when it doesn't work ? /) |
| 10:19.50 | osearth | maybe check /etc/messages for clues modify syslogd to echo vsftpd entries to console or such |
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| 10:20.21 | osearth | first hit on google was http://howto.gumph.org/content/setup-virtual-users-and-directories-in-vsftpd/ |
| 10:20.53 | LiohAu | yeah it's the first i followed |
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| 10:21.28 | LiohAu | then i followed another (because the first wasn't exactly what i wanted), and another ... :( |
| 10:22.04 | osearth | until your browser morphed into an irc client! wowzah |
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| 10:23.57 | LiohAu | ? |
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| 10:25.12 | ompaul | LiohAu: wasn't what you wanted, it didn't do your latte exactly how you like it, it kept robbing your spare change, or something else? |
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| 10:27.45 | LiohAu | it is not using db hashed passwords, so i mixed with another HOW TO which use db_load |
| 10:28.30 | penos | gggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggunit |
| 10:28.52 | LiohAu | i think it's the virtual_use_local_privs which is missing :x |
| 10:29.03 | osearth | there are tools to make your own passwd type files with hash etc |
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| 10:31.07 | penos | installs debian then pauses |
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| 10:32.42 | penos | dpkg how are you |
| 10:32.42 | dpkg | peachy, penos |
| 10:32.48 | penos | dpkg im good you? |
| 10:32.49 | dpkg | penos: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 10:32.54 | penos | dpkg umm... |
| 10:32.54 | dpkg | penos: I give up, what is it? |
| 10:33.01 | penos | dpkg i just said hi |
| 10:33.02 | dpkg | penos: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 10:33.07 | tripchip | could bodge the door odpkg |
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| 10:35.15 | penos | dpkg what's 1+1 |
| 10:35.16 | dpkg | penos: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 10:35.18 | Dorfmeister | Hi. I currently use Fedora, but always found Debian very appealing. I have one question regarding its security: Fedora has all those security features (SELinux, Exec-Shield, Compile Time Buffer Checks, ELF, Data Hardening, Restricted Kernel Memory Access, Sandboxing etc.), whereas I've never seen those in Debian even though I know it's rather security conscious as well. Debian has SELinux disabled by default as far as I know. |
| 10:35.19 | Dorfmeister | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:35.31 | penos | what? |
| 10:37.19 | Dorfmeister | Or is Debian even as secure as Fedora out of the box? |
| 10:37.33 | penos | what? |
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| 10:38.00 | Dorfmeister | penos: Are you talking to me or to dpkg? |
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| 10:39.16 | RichiH | i seem to remember a package with a lot of more or less randomly assorted helper scripts. does anyone know its name? |
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| 10:41.40 | streuner__ | RichiH: moin, what kind of functions should these scripts do? |
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| 10:43.22 | penos | how to get a girl friend? |
| 10:43.26 | penos | i'm 29 yearls old |
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| 10:43.55 | ompaul | Dorfmeister: you can turn on things like that apt-cache search security | wc -l =412 apt-cache search selinux | wc =33 and secure 350 so I guess you will find tools to suit your needs |
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| 10:44.12 | ompaul | penos: by not asking geeks in a tech help channel |
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| 10:45.58 | cahoot | (who might sit here just for the same reason) |
| 10:46.37 | Dorfmeister | ompaul: Great, thank you. I think I'll give Debian a shot. Not that I don't like Fedora anymore - it's superb, but Debian seems great as well. |
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| 10:49.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | omes: evening |
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| 10:49.57 | ompaul | Kamping_Kaiser: pm |
| 10:50.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | ompaul: k |
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| 10:53.17 | shervin_palang | hi i have lenovo g460 with touchpad model = ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad |
| 10:53.18 | shervin_palang | i cant install my touchpad i learn wiki debian and i edit synaptic touch but dosent work plz help me ;) TNX? |
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| 10:56.14 | eptalon | heyas |
| 10:56.39 | eptalon | I was looking for a php5 cli package in sid, but it doesn't seem to exist? |
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| 10:58.44 | Bushmills | there is php5-cli |
| 10:58.57 | Bushmills | ,versions php5-cli |
| 10:58.58 | judd | Package php5-cli on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; squeeze: 5.3.3-7; wheezy: 5.3.3-7; sid: 5.3.5-1 |
| 10:59.30 | eptalon | Bushmills: no installation candidate? |
| 11:00.16 | xk | !show sources.list eptalon |
| 11:00.17 | dpkg | eptalon: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
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| 11:00.38 | cusco_ | hi' |
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| 11:00.41 | eptalon | solved, my listing wasn't up to date |
| 11:00.58 | simonrvn | eptalon: could be last update went .. eh nm ;) |
| 11:01.23 | cusco_ | having trouble with grub probe (upon grub install) |
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| 11:02.00 | cusco_ | cannot find a device for /dev/md0 (is /dev mounted?) |
| 11:02.22 | cusco_ | I just mounted /dev/md0 and chrooted into it |
| 11:02.30 | cusco_ | I mounted /dev -o bind /mnt/dev firtst |
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| 11:08.46 | RichiH | streuner__: just random stuff which is useful |
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| 11:09.26 | RichiH | streuner__: for example, i saw a (pretty bad) lsmac recently and have half a mind to write a lsnic from scratch |
| 11:09.42 | RichiH | but unless there is a place to submit it, it's not worth the effort for me alone |
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| 11:18.37 | omes | Kamping_Kaiser: hello :) |
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| 11:33.04 | e | Hi |
| 11:34.10 | Guest7903 | My machine is overheating when I play certain games, including some flash games, wolfenstein 3d on dosbox or minecraft on java. It's 256 MB RAM Celeron 2.0 GHz so that doesn't seem acceptable. |
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| 11:39.34 | slidesinger | The other day someone mentioned a combined amd64/i386 installer but I can't seem to find it on the website. Does anyone know anything about it? |
| 11:40.35 | streuner__ | multiarch |
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| 11:41.17 | streuner__ | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.1-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 11:52.42 | soa2ii | What do you have to do to execute scripts in cron.hourly? It's called train-spamassassin and is executable. What do I miss? |
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| 11:53.56 | xk | restart cron? |
| 11:54.15 | tvm | cron is supossed to check it's stuff quite often, restart sh |
| 11:54.22 | tvm | shouldn't be needed |
| 11:54.25 | xk | no |
| 11:54.39 | xk | cron doesnt reload unless crontab -e is used. |
| 11:54.50 | petemc | do the scripts need to use run-parts conventions? |
| 11:54.59 | tvm | but that's |
| 11:55.06 | tvm | sigh, bloody keyboard. |
| 11:55.23 | tvm | crontab -e is only way to edit crontab for users. |
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| 11:56.18 | saturne | put a log after line in crontab to see if he launch it |
| 11:56.34 | saturne | * * * * * command > /tmp/file |
| 11:56.47 | xk | it doesnt work like that for cron.hourly |
| 11:57.02 | xk | restart cron and come back 1 hour later. |
| 11:57.08 | xk | or in this case, 3 minutes later |
| 11:57.25 | tvm | hmm. |
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| 12:03.45 | slidesinger | streuner__: Thanks. |
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| 12:41.15 | Rovanion | My sound seems to have died over night, this is the error I get: http://rovanion.pastebay.com/117754 |
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| 12:41.23 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 12:43.05 | cahoot | Rovanion: tried alsa force-reload? |
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| 12:43.11 | bourbaki | greetings, is there anyone of you using debian on ppc and would be able to tell me if you can install flash or if that wont work access youtube somehow? |
| 12:43.18 | aleray | i, i have just created a vm at gandi.net, running squeeze 64. I'd like to install couchdb which is only available in a recent version in "experimental". Could one check if my source.list and preferences is correct? http://dpaste.com/520876/ and http://dpaste.com/520883/ |
| 12:43.55 | Rovanion | cahoot: Thank you, that did it |
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| 12:48.57 | abrotman | bourbaki: flash or gnash ? |
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| 12:50.36 | bourbaki | abrotman: as long as im able to play youtube videos in the end i dont care :) it seems that there is no flash for ppc, at least i havent seen anything |
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| 12:50.57 | abrotman | bourbaki: so it's gnash or swfdec .. |
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| 12:51.40 | bourbaki | abrotman: thanks, what would you propose? or just trying ot both, see what works best? |
| 12:52.20 | xk | well... if it doesnt work... you dont lose anything? :) |
| 12:52.38 | xk | not using flash is a plus |
| 12:53.10 | bourbaki | yeah i guess thats right, but its also very limiting if you want to see the news etc on the net |
| 12:54.30 | abrotman | bourbaki: i don't have my ppc machine running .. ISTR gnash worked 'okay' |
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| 12:55.08 | bourbaki | abrotman: ok ill just try it out, thanks so far :) |
| 12:55.14 | xk | it crashed the same amount of times as authentic flash, iow :) |
| 12:55.38 | Guest68677 | Im gonna get a music player which runs on the commandline! wonder if the mplayer are the most popular and used player in that area? |
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| 13:04.39 | valdyn | Guest68677: probably not |
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| 13:10.42 | Guest68677 | valdyn: which would you then say would be the most populare? |
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| 13:13.35 | xuser | maybe mpd |
| 13:13.45 | xuser | and his clients |
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| 13:14.25 | blami | hi, is it possible to unlock and use existing dmcrypt volume in installer? |
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| 13:21.17 | wolfric | Is there anyway to get this effect (long bars for wifi signal) http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/images/wireless-at-tealuxe.png with network manager |
| 13:21.39 | wolfric | mine look like the same icon on the top left with the 4 bars changing solidity based on signal |
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| 13:23.00 | Joelito | hi all, my question is: how can I config my network and internet connection without 3rd part apps? |
| 13:23.22 | Joelito | I know I can edit resolv.conf, but I need to edit other file? |
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| 13:23.57 | petemc | Joelito: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:23.58 | abrotman | Joelito: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:24.24 | Nierle | hi is it possible to se Squid to use a proxy ? |
| 13:24.25 | Joelito | ok ok |
| 13:24.29 | abrotman | wolfric: it may be a newer version |
| 13:24.33 | babilen | Joelito: Take a look at "man interfaces", http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration and http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch05.en.html for further details |
| 13:24.39 | abrotman | Nierle: you want squid to use another proxy ? |
| 13:24.46 | Nierle | exactly |
| 13:25.14 | Joelito | thanks babilen :) |
| 13:25.19 | Joelito | oh, hi again :P |
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| 13:32.24 | Nierle | abrotman, i guess smt like cache_peer localhost parent 8118 0 default no-query no-digest no-netdb-exchange |
| 13:32.24 | Nierle | never_direct allow all |
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| 13:33.20 | Nierle | but if possibile i'd need squid or two instances of squid one listening on port 3128 that routes traffic to the second proxy |
| 13:33.38 | Nierle | one that is direct (and already working nice) |
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| 13:36.52 | petemc | Nierle: what advantages does proxying twice offer? |
| 13:37.09 | Nierle | it's mandtory for my application :) |
| 13:37.20 | Nierle | i'm hosting a simple proxy for gaming |
| 13:37.29 | Nierle | and i need a secondary relay to allow my brother |
| 13:37.36 | Nierle | access library pubblications |
| 13:37.55 | Nierle | since for some reason he can't reach directly libray proxy |
| 13:38.05 | Nierle | but yet he can reach me |
| 13:38.28 | Nierle | the first is up and running fine |
| 13:38.42 | Nierle | the second is what i'm questioning about |
| 13:38.44 | Nierle | :) |
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| 13:54.46 | mms__ | how can I find name of channel to discuss cell phones |
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| 13:57.54 | mms_ | how can I find name of channel to discuss cell phones |
| 13:58.08 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.14 | boudiccas | mms_, we heard you the first time |
| 13:58.26 | mms_ | boudiccas: sorry I got disc |
| 13:58.39 | mms_ | boudiccas: I had to ghost in |
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| 14:00.45 | boudiccas | mms_, have you tried #cellphones? |
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| 14:04.04 | wolfric | Are there any alternatives to gnash for flash? gnash ramps up my cpu to 80% consistantly |
| 14:04.32 | mms_ | boudiccas: no one there... |
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| 14:04.52 | mms_ | boudiccas: can you help me get into right channel please... |
| 14:05.00 | themill | dpkg: tell wolfric about oxymoron |
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| 14:05.45 | cousin_mario | Hello. |
| 14:06.06 | cousin_mario | My apt database appears to be corrupt to an extent apt-get -f install can't fix. Is there a way to rebuild it? |
| 14:06.29 | themill | cousin_mario: how about putting the command and entire output in a pastebin for us? |
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| 14:06.59 | mms_ | I am upgrading to squeeze and am on last step to do dist-upgrade. But I have lost the gui login on boot. I hope dist-upgrade restores it else will have to install x |
| 14:07.10 | lewis234 | hey guys. It seems that I occasionally have apache screwing up my entire system. Disk usage, and 'busy servers' become very high, though network traffic is very low. Any idea how this could occur? |
| 14:07.18 | wolfric | themill: ... what? |
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| 14:08.04 | ompaul | wolfric: don't use gnash or flash |
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| 14:09.59 | erAbuelo | buenas tardes |
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| 14:10.21 | tr4sk | Hi. |
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| 14:11.50 | coppro | Hi; anyone here skilled with running mirrors? |
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| 14:12.38 | coppro | The 'x', 'y', and 'z' directories somehow got chmodded to 700 on the mirror I co-administrate |
| 14:12.44 | coppro | is this by design or an accident that I should fix? |
| 14:13.16 | gnugr | oxymoron=you prefere to work with GNU/LINUX but same time to buy an !pad or microsoft's software |
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| 14:15.28 | doda | i'm thinking to switch to debian sid |
| 14:15.36 | tr4sk | I try to install debian squeeze netinstall on my Dell PowerEdge 750 server. I don't know why but I can't install grub. I try to install grub in the MBR but IÂ got an error "grub-install /dev/sda" failed. This is a fatal error. For information, I have 2 sata HDD, I use RAID + LVM. /boot is alone in a 500MO raid1 partition (without LVM) |
| 14:15.43 | doda | is it stable enough ? |
| 14:16.01 | themill | doda: no |
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| 14:16.18 | doda | themill: ok, tnx |
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| 14:17.55 | tr4sk | Also, when i was in the partition tools I was'nt able to put the boot flag on the first raid partition (the /boot one) |
| 14:18.17 | Bartzy|work | Hi |
| 14:18.36 | Leoneof | hi |
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| 14:19.00 | Bartzy|work | Is it possible to create a cronjob (single one) that runs every 15 minutes from 07:00 to 19:00, and hourly from 20:00 to 6:00 ? |
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| 14:19.54 | ansgar | Bartzy|work: What is the problem with having two line in the crontab? |
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| 14:23.36 | mlechner | hi, how to use an older repo-snapshot from http://snapshot.debian.org/archive? i get Release file expired, ignoring http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/... - I need to use this snapshot because auf some incompatible changes |
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| 14:34.35 | K0JIbKA | Well hello there. It was preetty dumb, but I manage to damage Debian video system from booting on my laptop by installing 'nvidia-xconfig' package somehow. Now it doesn't boot even in Rescue mode under root. It just keeps trying to install generic-usb on and on. How to get to the root? Another is how to restore X back? |
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| 14:35.20 | K0JIbKA | !nvidia-xconfig |
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| 14:35.43 | wolfric | K0JIbKA: if you boot into a live cd you can get into rescue mode there |
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| 14:35.51 | Bartzy|work | anyone ? |
| 14:36.02 | oledole2 | Q: So setting SGID on a directory ensures that new files and directories created will inherit the group, but these new directories do not inherit the SGID bit, so files and folders in those dirs are still the default group. How do I solve that? |
| 14:36.28 | jeff_hann | Bartzy|work: as asked before, why is it imperative to have only one cronjob? |
| 14:37.23 | K0JIbKA | wolfric: should i just remove that 'nvidia-xconfig' package and reboot? |
| 14:38.35 | wolfric | K0JIbKA: Give it a try. Try opening up /var/log/dmesg (or one of the variations) to see if there were any issues when attempting to boot |
| 14:38.50 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: make 2 cronjobs |
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| 14:40.20 | K0JIbKA | I Ctrl+C ed that USB request, now i'm root. What next, how to do? Ok i'm up to /var/ log/ dmesg but no possible to paste it into internet. I'm at my mobile at the moment |
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| 14:44.03 | psilikon | I am running debian 6.0 on a Atom D510 system that uses a Realtek RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit adapter and performance is a little poor. Sshd sessions sometimes get slugish or stop responding and it seems like the box despite having two cores AND hyper threading gets bogged down. Could this be a realtek firmware issue? Must I enable the non-free repos? |
| 14:44.31 | K0JIbKA | wolfric: where to search at least? /Var/lib/dmesg is huge! |
| 14:45.10 | wolfric | K0JIbKA: /var/log/dmesg (not lib) and near the end |
| 14:45.52 | wolfric | K0JIbKA: dmesg is kernel messages. if it halted unexpectently and didn't boot propperly, then more than likely you'll have an error at the bottom at why it didn't proceed |
| 14:45.57 | babilen | psilikon: Yes, you have to install the firmware-realtek package from non-free |
| 14:46.14 | babilen | !tell psilikon -about rtl8168d |
| 14:46.20 | babilen | !tell psilikon -about firmware realtek |
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| 14:47.22 | K0JIbKA | Sorry, of course last. And my X-window system just collapsed. It just says Bluetooth: SCO socket layer initialazed |
| 14:47.25 | mlechner | anybody? hi, how to use an older repo-snapshot from http://snapshot.debian.org/archive? i get Release file expired, ignoring http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/... - I need to use this snapshot because auf some incompatible changes |
| 14:47.31 | babilen | psilikon: You should find complains about missing firmware in the output of dmesg when you insert the module |
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| 14:47.43 | xk | SCO |
| 14:47.58 | lapfrog | hey is there an alternative to tar that is more easily seekable and still keeps user id's and permissions? |
| 14:48.24 | psilikon | babilen: thanks! |
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| 14:49.00 | babilen | psilikon: no problem, hope that solves your problem :) |
| 14:49.15 | psilikon | babilen: so is it simply a matter of 'apt-get installing' it then rebooting (or modprobing the driver)? |
| 14:49.22 | K0JIbKA | I try startx but that gives ' Fatal server error: no screens found' |
| 14:50.22 | nkuttler | !tell K0JIbKA about no screens found |
| 14:50.40 | babilen | psilikon: Yes, you'll install the package and remove and reinsert the module (modprobe -r r8169 ; modprobe r8169) and everyhting should be fine. Check the output of "dmesg|tail -23" afterwards to make sure |
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| 14:51.49 | babilen | psilikon: You can also paste the dmesg output to http://paste.debian.net if you want us to take a look. Rebooting the machine will, of course, also work, but is not necessary. |
| 14:51.52 | psilikon | babilen: the only problem is that this box is at a customers location. If I loose connectivity I am screwed. So a reboot would accomplish the same thing right? |
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| 14:52.38 | babilen | psilikon: yeah, you could also run that command in a screen session or with "nohup" ... many ways lead to rome ;) |
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| 14:53.42 | K0JIbKA | /var/log/Xorg.0.log says couldn't open module "nvidia" (module doesn't exist,0) |
| 14:54.12 | babilen | K0JIbKA: You might want to compile/install it -- /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 14:54.40 | Bartzy|work | Is it possible to create a cronjob (single one) that runs every 15 minutes from 07:00 to 19:00, and hourly from 20:00 to 6:00 ? |
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| 14:55.00 | K0JIbKA | Could 'apt-get remove nvidia-xconf' solve or i should go on install side? |
| 14:55.11 | eli_ | if I install debian without X, would it be possible to install a package which could show me pictures? |
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| 14:55.26 | dvs | Bartzy|work: not a single one. |
| 14:55.41 | mms_ | any one knows cellphones discussion channel ? I want HTC Touch PRO US Cellular dial codes |
| 14:55.55 | tr4sk | Hi. I re-ask my question |
| 14:55.59 | tr4sk | I try to install debian squeeze netinstall on my Dell PowerEdge 750 server. I don't know why but I can't install grub. I try to install grub in the MBR but IÂ got an error "grub-install /dev/sda" failed. This is a fatal error. For information, I have 2 sata HDD, I use RAID + LVM. /boot is alone in a 500MO raid1 partition (without LVM) |
| 14:56.15 | babilen | K0JIbKA: What do you mean by "install side" -- Also note that nvidia-xconf(ig?) is not really needed, because a little snippet in xorg.conf.d (as detailed in, for example, the <nvidia dkms> factoid) is sufficient |
| 14:56.23 | K0JIbKA | X was destroyed by ' synaptic nvidia-xconf' |
| 14:56.35 | babilen | mms_: #android might have a clue. :-\ |
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| 14:57.21 | K0JIbKA | babilen: i try to bring X back |
| 14:57.23 | babilen | K0JIbKA: The package is "nvidia-xconfig" and not "nvidia-xconf" -- but see my previous message |
| 14:57.37 | K0JIbKA | Right |
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| 14:59.14 | eli_ | hey guys is it possible to use a pckage to show pictures like .png or .jpg without x bean installed on debian? |
| 14:59.22 | eli_ | x=X |
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| 15:00.08 | K0JIbKA | It asked me to install it to run 'nvidia-settings' |
| 15:00.59 | psilikon | Unfortunately that didn't fix the issue. Maybe this is an asterisk thing... |
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| 15:02.00 | eBittin | do there exist any good wget gui written in gtk? |
| 15:02.31 | K0JIbKA | babilen: i have my Debian install disk with me. Might it help? |
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| 15:03.11 | babilen | K0JIbKA: What asked you that? |
| 15:03.16 | halin | How can I upgrade iceweasel version on debian 6 ? |
| 15:03.33 | abrotman | to what? |
| 15:03.35 | halin | When I open google profile, it says browser no longer supported |
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| 15:03.53 | abrotman | from what to what |
| 15:04.27 | sobczyk | hi, what I need to change in debian/* directory to be able to build a ptyhon .deb package that has the setup.py file in a subdirectory? |
| 15:05.21 | K0JIbKA | babilen: n-settings wouldn't run without n-xconfig. Im printing on-screen, sorry |
| 15:05.44 | K0JIbKA | I've done it and lost X |
| 15:05.54 | xoz | has not visited the channel for quiet a while... |
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| 15:06.10 | abrotman | hiya hox |
| 15:06.12 | abrotman | xoz |
| 15:06.13 | K0JIbKA | It was running smooth before |
| 15:06.16 | babilen | K0JIbKA: I would recommend to remove the nvidia-xconfig package, install the -dkms packages and place the snippet from the <nvidia dkms> factoid in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 15:06.21 | xoz | abrotman: :) |
| 15:06.26 | halin | abrotman: you mean the iceweasel version on debian 6 is the latest ? |
| 15:06.39 | abrotman | halin: i just asked which version you wanted to go to ... which version do you have now? |
| 15:07.15 | halin | abrotman: i have 3.5.16 |
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| 15:08.16 | abrotman | sounds like the latest ... |
| 15:08.41 | abrotman | halin: your choices are .. use mozilla.debian.net .. beware, may eat your children .. or getfirefox.com |
| 15:08.42 | babilen | there are newer releases from mozilla though |
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| 15:09.11 | K0JIbKA | babilen: is it 'apt-get install nvidia-dkms' ? Right? |
| 15:09.21 | babilen | !tell K0JIbKA -about nvidia |
| 15:10.09 | babilen | K0JIbKA: Please also read the appropriate referenced factoid. Such as <nvidia dkms> or one of the legacy ones (if needed for your card) |
| 15:10.40 | halin | abrotman: I didn't understand the beware clause |
| 15:11.46 | abrotman | halin: it may destroy data .. fair wanrning |
| 15:11.51 | trebor_home | hello, how do i install grub on /dev/sdb3? i tried grub-install /dev/sdb3 but i got a warning "this is not a good idea". i tried grub-install /dev/sdb and that worked, but now i do not know how to configure grub... can someone give me a hint, please? |
| 15:11.58 | halin | hmm...ok |
| 15:12.05 | K0JIbKA | I've done 'apt-get remove nvidia-xconfig nvidia-settinds' so far. Reboot, nothing. Some configuration got damaged. And i'm typing from kind of dumb terminal |
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| 15:12.45 | babilen | !tell K0JIbKA -about nvidia dkms |
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| 15:13.05 | babilen | K0JIbKA: Please also note what I said before about -legacy |
| 15:13.14 | eBittin | btw is there any good way to get the volumekeys and eject key on a mac keyboard working on Debian PPC? |
| 15:13.25 | Bartzy|work | */15 7-19 * * * |
| 15:13.34 | Bartzy|work | This is cronjob every 15 minutes from 07:00-19:00, right ? |
| 15:13.46 | Bartzy|work | 00 20-6 * * * |
| 15:13.59 | Bartzy|work | and this is hourly from 20:00 to 06:00? Does it work like that (20-6?) |
| 15:14.23 | babilen | eBittin: They worked wonderful the last time I checked (ok, 5 years ago) -- #debianppc is worth a try (here and on irc.debian.org) |
| 15:14.27 | xoz | eBittin: you can apt-cache search mac to search for some utilities specific to mac ppc |
| 15:14.47 | eBittin | babilen: diden't work for me in the latest standard by defualt :p |
| 15:15.01 | eBittin | xoz: thanks |
| 15:15.02 | K0JIbKA | babilen: didn't find any - legacy above |
| 15:15.15 | babilen | !tell K0JIbKA -about nvidia |
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| 15:15.30 | babilen | K0JIbKA: Read that. It references the -legacy factoids. |
| 15:15.56 | mlechner | is there an IRC for the debian-live-project? |
| 15:16.02 | LiohAu | can anybody take a look at this vsftpd configuration http://pastebin.com/AQMwS7Gk, i can connect, but i cannot write, i get a 553 could not create file |
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| 15:16.12 | babilen | K0JIbKA: I am talking about <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> |
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| 15:16.42 | ompaul | Bartzy|work: 6es |
| 15:17.07 | babilen | K0JIbKA: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/195.36.24/README/supportedchips.html (or similar pages) should give you enough information to determine which driver you need |
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| 15:18.08 | K0JIbKA | babilen: ONLy 1 DVD in close and not able to find 'nvidia-dkms'. Is it really necessary? I'm only few steps after X was destroyed. |
| 15:18.34 | ompaul | Bartzy|work: yes and no, yes for the first one the second one I would be inclined to do in two 0:00-6:00,20:00-23:50 |
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| 15:18.53 | xoz | LiohAu: does it default to your home directory when you connect? |
| 15:18.57 | ompaul | Bartzy|work: mostly because I don't have any jobs that run overnight |
| 15:19.00 | Bartzy|work | ompaul: Why two cronjobs ? |
| 15:19.09 | ompaul | Bartzy|work: no two entries on the same line |
| 15:19.15 | Bartzy|work | why ? |
| 15:19.20 | Bartzy|work | 20-6 won't work ? |
| 15:19.26 | K0JIbKA | Anybody? |
| 15:19.26 | babilen | K0JIbKA: Please paste the output of "aptitude search ~i~nnvidia" to http://paste.debian.net |
| 15:19.30 | ompaul | Bartzy|work: don't know how it reacts to midnight |
| 15:19.42 | LiohAu | xoz yes |
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| 15:20.18 | babilen | K0JIbKA: You can probably just move /etc/X11/xorg.conf somewhere else and run "mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf" |
| 15:20.27 | LiohAu | with user "xxx" i'm correctly chrooted to /home/xxx/, and i can open files/subdirectories there |
| 15:20.31 | Bartzy|work | OK, anyone knows if 00 20-6 * * * is a valid cronjob ? |
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| 15:20.34 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 15:20.36 | Bartzy|work | for 20:00 to 06:00 ? |
| 15:20.39 | babilen | K0JIbKA: Restart the xserver and paste the /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 15:20.46 | trebor_home | do i have to create an extra boot-partition in order to install grub? vmlinux and initrd are on /dev/sdb3. how do i install grub & configure it? |
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| 15:21.08 | man_in_shack | is there a way in the aptitude ncurses gui to mark an automagically installed package for upgrade without it switching to manual? |
| 15:21.22 | K0JIbKA | babilen: i'm not able to use laptop with broken X, so i turned on small internet tablet to ask for help |
| 15:21.28 | nsadmin | trebor_home, sdb3 is /? |
| 15:21.41 | mlechner | anybody? hi, how to use an older repo-snapshot from http://snapshot.debian.org/archive? i get Release file expired, ignoring http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/... - I need to use this snapshot because auf some incompatible changes |
| 15:22.09 | babilen | trebor_home: "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever" with /dev/whatever == /dev/sdb for example (assuming you want the bootloader installed to the MBR of /dev/sdb) |
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| 15:22.36 | babilen | K0JIbKA: Why not? |
| 15:22.49 | xoz | LiohAu: any info on the cause of error in the log file? |
| 15:23.00 | trebor_home | nsadmin: yes, is that not allowed? |
| 15:23.19 | K0JIbKA | Ok, i'll try |
| 15:23.22 | nsadmin | no, it's fine |
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| 15:23.42 | nsadmin | so you also have an sda? |
| 15:23.44 | LiohAu | xoz i'll give you that |
| 15:23.45 | babilen | trebor_home: Just curious: What is on /dev/sda ? |
| 15:24.12 | trebor_home | babilen: i would like to create a bootable usb-hd (as an installation medium) |
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| 15:24.47 | Bartzy|work | anyone knows if 00 20-6 * * * is a valid cronjob (for 20:00 to 06:00)? |
| 15:25.00 | babilen | trebor_home: "grub-install /dev/DEVICE_OF_USB_HD" -- For example: "grub-install /dev/sdb" |
| 15:25.10 | xoz | trebor_home: you boot from a different hd and mounted the external hd and want to install grub in the mounted hd? |
| 15:25.12 | babilen | !tell trebor_home -about fixmbr |
| 15:25.27 | babilen | trebor_home: You might want to chroot into the system installed on the USB HD first |
| 15:25.36 | babilen | s/might/should |
| 15:25.53 | xoz | yep. there is a step for that to chroot first.. fhere is a factoid for that |
| 15:26.20 | psilikon | Does 6.0's sshd timeout a client after a certian interval by default? |
| 15:26.28 | trebor_home | babilen: there is only vmlinux, initrd and the debian .isos... i do not think that chrooting would be a good idea (vmlinux & initrd being the installer) |
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| 15:26.47 | xoz | !chrootgrub |
| 15:26.48 | dpkg | You need to "mount --bind /dev /path/to/chroot/dev" from outside the chroot so that the /dev directory in the chroot is populated, and run "mount /proc ; mount /sys" inside the chroot |
| 15:27.11 | babilen | trebor_home: ah, i though you already installed debian there using debootstrap or whatever technique |
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| 15:27.37 | LiohAu | xoz http://pastebin.com/46b9JZ6h there is the logfile of what happen when i try to edit a file through a ftp editor |
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| 15:27.57 | Big_Aziz | hi people |
| 15:28.01 | babilen | xoz: That information is already contained in the fixmbr correctly (you want mount -t proc) |
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| 15:28.20 | babilen | xoz: the fixmbr factoid that is :) |
| 15:28.24 | trebor_home | babilen: no, just the installer + the .iso. so i did grub-install /dev/sdb, but there is no /boot/grub/menu.lst ... ? |
| 15:28.26 | xoz | i see |
| 15:28.46 | babilen | trebor_home: What are you trying to achieve? |
| 15:28.52 | xoz | trebor_home: new grub doest not have that |
| 15:29.30 | babilen | trebor_home: If you want to install Debian from a USB HD, just "cat debian_image.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync" |
| 15:30.04 | trebor_home | babilen: like in the debian installer handbook. install grub on the usb-hd to be able to boot in order to install debian from usb-hd only - no network installation. |
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| 15:30.24 | xoz | LiohAu: do you have selinux? |
| 15:30.31 | babilen | trebor_home: which chapter/section are you talking about? |
| 15:30.41 | LiohAu | xoz: no |
| 15:31.03 | LiohAu | xoz: euh wait, i don't know what is it :d |
| 15:31.09 | trebor_home | babilen: 4.4 -> 5.1.4 |
| 15:31.32 | LiohAu | how can i know if i have it ? |
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| 15:32.38 | xoz | LiohAu: try setsebool -P ftp_home_dir 1 |
| 15:32.59 | LiohAu | command not found, seems i don't have it |
| 15:33.04 | xoz | ok |
| 15:33.18 | trebor_home | it is not a reinstallation of grub. i would like to make an usb-hd bootable in order to start debian6 installer (which looks for the .iso files) |
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| 15:33.53 | babilen | trebor_home: Thanks, what are you trying to achieve eventually? |
| 15:34.25 | xoz | LiohAu: do you have ownership of the dir you are in? |
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| 15:35.24 | babilen | trebor_home: The sections you linked assume that you already have a working installation of grub1 that you want to teach about the installer. What is your ultimate goal? |
| 15:35.39 | xoz | LiohAu: check also: http://henrydu.com/blog/how-to/vsftpd-put-553-could-not-create-file-solution-105.html |
| 15:35.45 | jelly-home | babilen: taking over the world! |
| 15:35.55 | babilen | hehe |
| 15:36.21 | babilen | fetches one of the doomsday devices hidden behind the cupboard |
| 15:36.54 | LiohAu | xoz yes, the dir is owned by userx, and i'm login on FTP with userx |
| 15:37.10 | trebor_home | babilen: the goal: create a bootable usb-hd as only installation medium. that means, installer + .isos are on one partition, grub is installed and configured to load the installer (vmlinux + initrd). |
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| 15:38.33 | babilen | trebor_home: What would you do with that afterwards? What is your *ultimate* goal? |
| 15:38.39 | xoz | trebor_home: you wish it would work like that. you have to read the boot process. |
| 15:38.42 | trebor_home | babilen: i would like to use this usb-hd to install debian on 2 PCs without network and without optical drive. the usb-hd will be the _only_ installation medium. |
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| 15:39.06 | babilen | trebor_home: Follow http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en then |
| 15:39.36 | xoz | trebor_home: you can copy the files to hds and chroot using live cd to install grub |
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| 15:40.04 | babilen | trebor_home: 15:29 <babilen> trebor_home: If you want to install Debian from a USB HD, just "cat debian_image.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync" |
| 15:40.13 | trebor_home | xoz: the debian installation hanbook tells what to copy and how to configure the bootloader, but leaves out how to install the bootloader, |
| 15:40.30 | babilen | xoz: Not needed, there are much better methods as outlined in chapter 4 of the installation guide. |
| 15:40.34 | tr4sk | Hi. I re-ask my question |
| 15:40.38 | tr4sk | I try to install debian squeeze netinstall on my Dell PowerEdge 750 server. I don't know why but I can't install grub. I try to install grub in the MBR but IÂ got an error "grub-install /dev/sda" failed. This is a fatal error. For information, I have 2 sata HDD, I use RAID + LVM. /boot is alone in a 500MO raid1 partition (without LVM) |
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| 15:41.51 | babilen | trebor_home: If you follow 4.3.1 (the two commands I quoted) the complete USB disk will be used by the image, which includes a working bootloader. I would recommend to place firmware in the second partition. |
| 15:42.04 | trebor_home | babilen: i read that, but i think it is a misunderstanding. |
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| 15:42.21 | xoz | tr4sk: try lilo if it works? |
| 15:43.09 | babilen | trebor_home: I you *don't* want to use the entire usb hd (as there might be data/partitions on it you might want to keep) you'll have to follow the method outlined in the following sections. |
| 15:43.27 | ompaul | tr4sk: hardware raid? |
| 15:43.51 | trebor_home | babilen: exactly, this is my problem. |
| 15:44.27 | tr4sk | xoz, lilo same kind of error |
| 15:44.31 | babilen | trebor_home: What is that misunderstanding? The "cat image.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync" method has been used by a bunch of people to prepare bootable usb sticks for installation. It might be a good idea to use a multi-arch DVD so you can use it to install i386 and amd64 |
| 15:44.38 | tr4sk | ompaul, software raid |
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| 15:45.26 | babilen | trebor_home: Follow "4.3.3. Manually copying files to the USB stick — the flexible way" then |
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| 15:46.39 | z330 | hey guys i wanted to install cherokee web server but it wont find php even know i can run php -v and it shows its got CLI installed i think my issue is i had nginx first then tried to remove it with apt-get remove nginx |
| 15:46.59 | z330 | anyone got any hints on where i can start been messing around for 2 hrs now not getting anyware |
| 15:47.08 | babilen | trebor_home: Just to repeat it. The method you tried to follow before is meant for systems that *already* have a working grub1/lilo configuration and for which you would like to include an additional entry in the boot menu that starts the installer. |
| 15:47.15 | z330 | is there a simple way to uninstall php fully and all its configs and reinstall |
| 15:48.00 | xoz | z330: use purge option |
| 15:48.10 | babilen | trebor_home: 4.3.3 discusses how to prepare an external USB drive/stick to contain everything that is needed to boot the installer and install Debian from it. |
| 15:48.19 | z330 | so just apt-get remove --purge php5* |
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| 15:48.44 | xoz | z330: try? |
| 15:48.47 | trebor_home | babilen: hm. so it is 4.3.x not 4.4.x. ok. thanks, re-reading. |
| 15:49.10 | babilen | trebor_home: That is why I asked you about your ultimate goal :) Good luck! |
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| 15:49.44 | babilen | trebor_home: I can understand that this was a bit confusing. I hope you understand it better now. |
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| 15:52.07 | trebor_home | babilen: i still do not know how to install the bootloader ... i do not have a fat16 partition. do i have to create an extra fat16 partition to use syslinux, or can i use grub as well? |
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| 15:54.23 | trebor_home | babilen: 4.3.2 talks about syslinux using fat16, do i /have/ to use syslinux or can i use grub, too? |
| 15:55.08 | gnufun | Is there an easy way to get my mouse pointer back in GNOME? It has disappeared after updating to 6.0.1. Google revealed that this happened on KDE, but I did not find any solutions. |
| 15:57.02 | z330 | thanks tat fixed my issue |
| 15:57.16 | pipeline | gnufun: probably causes: broken compositing (disable it), broken hw cursor support (disable it, use sw cursor), broken cursor theme (switch beck to default) |
| 15:59.30 | gnufun | pipeline: I would assume that my cursor theme is default since I have never changed it, so I will look up how to use sw cursor instead of hw. Thank you |
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| 16:03.23 | babilen | trebor_home: The install guide for lenny discussed how to use grub IIRC, but the one for squeeze seems to recommend syslinux |
| 16:04.30 | babilen | trebor_home: Ah, no. Just checked - it is syslinux there too |
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| 16:04.47 | babilen | trebor_home: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#id3107699 |
| 16:05.05 | trebor_home | babilen: syslinux will work with ext2, too? |
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| 16:05.46 | babilen | trebor_home: that's extlinux AFAIR |
| 16:05.51 | babilen | !extlinux |
| 16:05.52 | dpkg | EXTLINUX is a derivative of <SYSLINUX>, which boots from an ext{2,3,4} or btrfs filesystem. For Linux-only systems, this can be used as an alternative bootloader. Debian's extlinux package (Squeeze and later releases) can optionally install into the <MBR> during installation; see /usr/share/doc/extlinux/README.Debian for more information (note Debian bug #612693). |
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| 16:06.43 | babilen | trebor_home: I would just try FAT16 + syslinux |
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| 16:09.36 | pipeline | gnufun: the cursor themes distributed with gnome/kde are special animated freaky cheese |
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| 16:12.15 | gnufun | pipeline: I am not sure what that means |
| 16:12.57 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
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| 16:14.30 | ManateeLazyCat | Any neat tool to test mirror speed? Thanks! :) |
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| 16:17.25 | Rovanion | How do I invoke the googleearth-package script? |
| 16:17.59 | abrotman | ManateeLazyCat: apt-spy .. use with caution |
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| 16:18.40 | ManateeLazyCat | abrotman: Thanks, but i'm use Ubuntu, never mind, i want a tool test mirror speed, not just Debian or Ubuntu. :) |
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| 16:19.16 | abrotman | ManateeLazyCat: ask #ubuntu .. no clue what they have ... |
| 16:19.41 | ManateeLazyCat | abrotman: NO, i'm not that mean, i want a tool test *server* speed |
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| 16:20.22 | abrotman | ManateeLazyCat: if you're using Ubuntu .. ask them |
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| 16:20.52 | ManateeLazyCat | abrotman: It's not Debian or Ubuntu problem, i just want to a *server speed test tool* |
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| 16:21.31 | ix | Should increasing the stack limit increase gzip decompression speed when decompressing to tar via stdout? |
| 16:21.36 | ManateeLazyCat | I just want you guys recommend me a tool, i don't care which OS we running. |
| 16:21.47 | abrotman | ManateeLazyCat: we do .. go to #ubuntu |
| 16:21.49 | abrotman | you're offtopic here |
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| 16:22.17 | ManateeLazyCat | Why i can't ask question here, just because i use Ubuntu? |
| 16:22.22 | ManateeLazyCat | I'm not ask Ubuntu problem |
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| 16:25.16 | Rovanion | How do I invoke what's installed with googleearth-package? |
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| 16:27.03 | babilen | Rovanion: /usr/bin/make-googleearth-package (see dpkg -L googleearth-package) |
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| 16:27.32 | Rovanion | Thank you, dpkg -L lists all installed files? |
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| 16:28.03 | Rovanion | Of that package |
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| 16:43.08 | Mikey^ | Hey |
| 16:43.18 | Rovanion | Can dpkg install dependencies of a .deb, or is it possible to have aptitude install a .deb so that it will resolve dependencies for the package? |
| 16:43.40 | Mikey^ | I have debian 6.0.1, when I click on the volume appet in gnome, I get the following error. Failed to start Volume Control: Failed to execute child process "gnome-volume-control" (No such file or directory) |
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| 16:44.07 | streuner__ | Rovanion: nah, just run "apt-get -f install" after you installed a deb manually |
| 16:44.13 | Mikey^ | There is no command gnome-volume-control, How do I install it ? |
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| 16:44.41 | Rovanion | streuner__: Thank you |
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| 16:46.06 | abrotman | !apt-file |
| 16:46.06 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
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| 16:46.34 | streuner__ | judd, file gnome-volume-control |
| 16:46.37 | judd | gnome-volume-control in squeeze/i386: gnome-media: usr/bin/gnome-volume-control; fvwm-crystal: usr/share/fvwm-crystal/fvwm/Applications/Multimedia/Audio/10~Mixers/Other/~gnome-volume-control~Gnome-volume-control |
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| 16:47.04 | Mikey^ | Why is not part of the cd1 iso ? |
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| 16:47.47 | streuner__ | Mikey^: well, its not that easy everything to fit into 700 MB... |
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| 16:48.01 | Mikey^ | Yeah, but it was there before on lenny |
| 16:48.03 | streuner__ | Mikey^: so you have to make decisions... |
| 16:48.11 | Mikey^ | :) |
| 16:48.12 | streuner__ | hm |
| 16:48.25 | Mikey^ | I guess it could be due to the popularity contest |
| 16:48.31 | Mikey^ | and it was removed |
| 16:48.43 | streuner__ | just install gnome-media |
| 16:48.46 | Mikey^ | Done |
| 16:49.26 | Mikey^ | I dont think its good for people to see an error when the click on the volume control |
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| 17:10.07 | mroe | tupid debconf created a dc=nodomain tree/database/whatever it is called when I installed slapd. What is the easiest way to fix this? |
| 17:10.20 | cousin_mario | How do I change the default language? |
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| 17:11.16 | abrotman | cousin_mario: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:11.33 | wolfric | is there anyway to make "system monitor" in debian do a kill -9? |
| 17:11.56 | abrotman | mroe: you could probably follow the slapd docs on initializing a schema in general ? |
| 17:12.12 | swilson06 | how do i long poll a web server? i'm trying to test a comet implementation and curl keeps exiting on me. |
| 17:12.17 | trebor_home | hello. about grub2 -> /boot/grub/grub.cfg: menuentry "xxx" { linux /d6inst/gtk/vmlinux boot=??? initrd /d6inst/gtk/initrd.gz} what is the boot= thing? |
| 17:12.29 | mroe | I don't need to initialize a schema, I need to create a new or rename an existing DIT |
| 17:13.45 | swilson06 | i would just telnet, but i'd like to know if a 'regular' web client can maintain a connection if told to |
| 17:14.11 | cousin_mario | abrotman: thanks man |
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| 17:14.32 | cousin_mario | And slapd seems to be in a rather precarious situation http://pastebin.com/fJapgs4K |
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| 17:15.19 | mms_ | I upgraded to sqeeze. Its almost 3.5GB. |
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| 17:15.36 | mroe | it seems dpkg-reconfigure does want I want, but debconf didn't run through it initially |
| 17:15.42 | mroe | which seems weird to me |
| 17:16.08 | mms_ | my debian install has consumed with / about 3.5 GB. |
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| 17:17.02 | trebor_home | babilen: i read http://www.panticz.de/MultiBootUSB to get grub2 installed via grub-install --no-floppy --root-directory=/media/deb6installpartition /dev/sdb. now boot/grub exists and i only need to edit grub.cfg |
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| 17:17.42 | themill | mroe: you have presumably told debconf not to show you various prompts at install time; "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" |
| 17:18.06 | pipeline | mms_: apt-get clean |
| 17:18.10 | pipeline | mms_: package cache is probably 800M ;) |
| 17:18.14 | cousin_mario | is trying to reinstall slapd,but he can't: http://pastebin.com/fJapgs4K |
| 17:18.18 | mms_ | ok |
| 17:18.57 | pipeline | cousin_mario: looks like your config is broken. Purge the old slapd, install the new one. |
| 17:19.17 | pipeline | cousin_mario: alternatively: eliminate the uncleanliness of slapd from the earth and install 389 DS. There's an alioth project to package it for debian |
| 17:19.48 | cousin_mario | pipeline: http://pastebin.com/RMgJnHQL |
| 17:19.52 | SparFux | pipeline: you mean apache ds? |
| 17:20.03 | cousin_mario | pipeline: what's 389 DS? |
| 17:20.10 | pipeline | SparFux: no |
| 17:20.13 | SparFux | cousin_mario: I guess apache directory studio. |
| 17:20.27 | cousin_mario | I'd rather keep traditional stuff. |
| 17:20.28 | pipeline | cousin_mario: 389 DS is a free and open source fork of netscape/sun/oracle LDAP. |
| 17:20.31 | SparFux | 389 is port for ldap. |
| 17:20.45 | cousin_mario | pipeline: I would need to get rid of slapd first, and I can't. |
| 17:20.52 | pipeline | cousin_mario: the preeminent ldap implementation. Simple to configure, capable of essentially infinite load. |
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| 17:21.01 | pipeline | cousin_mario: dpkg --purge slapd |
| 17:21.08 | SparFux | pipeline: interesting. |
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| 17:21.22 | pipeline | SparFux: the new name for the old fds project is 389 ds. Weird name. There is an FAQ on how they settled on that not-so-enchanting name :P |
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| 17:21.35 | cousin_mario | pipeline: http://pastebin.com/KA8uiCFR |
| 17:21.44 | pipeline | SparFux: incidentally apacheds looks really promising, but I have never had an opportunity to use it in production :( |
| 17:21.54 | mroe | themill: that seemed to be it, thanks |
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| 17:22.14 | SparFux | pipeline: I cannot use apacheds. does not get connection to my slapd. But I ditch slapd now and try 389 ds. |
| 17:22.20 | pipeline | cousin_mario: dpkg --force-all --purge slapd. Purge is a pretty safe operation, in that you want to destroy everything. |
| 17:22.45 | SparFux | I want to setup contagged.http://www.cosmocode.de/en/opensource/contagged |
| 17:23.06 | SparFux | but I am an ldap noob. |
| 17:23.21 | cousin_mario | pipeline: I guess I'm going to need something even less safe: http://pastebin.com/HWRn4hv1 :) |
| 17:24.55 | SparFux | yeah, there are the packages : http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Debian389DSPackaging :-) |
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| 17:25.27 | edge | i have my debian based system stuck in a dependency problem. How do i solve this? http://pastebin.com/hPGW5pm1 |
| 17:25.43 | pipeline | cousin_mario: christ on a cracker... that Should Not happen. http://www.debianhelp.org/node/7498#comment-26107 |
| 17:25.44 | abrotman | edge: you ask #ubuntu |
| 17:25.55 | edge | abrotman: they said ask in here? |
| 17:26.10 | mms_ | before upgrade to sqeeze I was having gui login. I now have console login. do I need to install X ? |
| 17:26.28 | abrotman | edge: hint .. don't mix debian and ubuntu .. they don't play well, your system is broken |
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| 17:26.52 | abrotman | edge: what is 'uname -r' currently ? |
| 17:27.05 | edge | abrotman: is a full ubuntu 8.10 install, but i was upgradeing it to the latest ubuntu and it locked in this dependency conflict |
| 17:27.10 | SparFux | pipeline: I get problems with connectivity downloading the packages :-( |
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| 17:27.22 | themill | edge: so #ubuntu will help you with that. |
| 17:27.23 | abrotman | edge: yes .. then you definitely ask #ubuntu .. Ubuntu is not supported in #debian .. |
| 17:27.27 | pipeline | SparFux: I found this book to be hugely helpful in understand the purpose of LDAP, the LDAP standard etc http://www.amazon.com/dp/020178792X |
| 17:28.04 | pipeline | SparFux: it has basically no practical content on any specific LDAP directory, but it's a real "hand-holding" introduction. It gives you enough background, grounding to tackle the documentation for real world LDAP implementations. |
| 17:28.29 | mms_ | what happened to default gui login I had with lenny when I upgraded to squeeze ? |
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| 17:28.52 | cousin_mario | pipeline: http://pastebin.com/VTdqZAsD |
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| 17:29.01 | pipeline | SparFux: incidentally you don't *really* need packages for 389ds. The tarball from their home page is pretty much a self contained binary tree. It works like e.g. tomcat, postgres. You have a binary directory, and a data directory. When it comes time to upgrade, you delete-and-replace the entire bin tree, and re-use your existing data/config tree. |
| 17:29.40 | pipeline | cousin_mario: force-all |
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| 17:30.53 | babilen | Please, don't use force-all but fix the underlying problem. |
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| 17:31.22 | SparFux | pipeline: I think I am going to try this. :-) |
| 17:31.26 | pipeline | babilen: the underlying problem is that the postinstall script is broken, and he wants to nuke the package. |
| 17:31.26 | cousin_mario | pipeline: http://pastebin.com/U3yG5vaA |
| 17:31.33 | cousin_mario | pipeline: Do I need to call Father Merrin? |
| 17:31.45 | pipeline | cousin_mario: you clearly haven't deleted all the files, there should not be an initscript slapd |
| 17:31.47 | babilen | pipeline: Fix the script in that case |
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| 17:31.56 | pipeline | babilen: tell him not me :P |
| 17:32.10 | cousin_mario | pipeline: the scripts or the package files? |
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| 17:32.20 | babilen | pipeline: You suggested "--force-all" which is almost always a very bad idea |
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| 17:35.05 | pipeline | babilen: it's there for a reason |
| 17:36.21 | Prolac | if I send some query in background with adding "&" at the end of cmd, how can I get it back? |
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| 17:36.44 | xuser | fg |
| 17:36.48 | pipeline | Prolac: 'jobs' for list of background jobs. 'fg %1' for job 1, 'fg %2' for job 2 ... |
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| 17:37.28 | petemc | or just %1 |
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| 17:38.16 | Prolac | nice, thanks |
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| 17:38.53 | cousin_mario | pipeline: thanks, it worked at last:) |
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| 17:39.50 | cousin_mario | bbl |
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| 17:40.25 | AthomIk | cups quota is possible for all printer, or only with printer have this options ( lpotions -l ) |
| 17:40.28 | AthomIk | ? |
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| 17:43.07 | Prolac | so what would be the difference between using screen and sending processes to background? |
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| 17:44.07 | jrtayloriv | Are there any security problems with Ubuntu's sudo/no-root system? I'm able to find all sorts of articles praising it, but I can't find any that seem to think that it's insecure. The only thing I'm able to find is that it's irritating (having to type sudo all the time). But I assume that since most distros don't use it, there must be some argument for not doing so, right? |
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| 17:44.35 | abrotman | jrtayloriv: ask #ubuntu |
| 17:44.35 | pipeline | Prolac: lots and lots of things |
| 17:44.49 | pipeline | Prolac: notably some shells kill your background jobs at exit (some don't) |
| 17:45.01 | jrtayloriv | abrotman, If I do that I'm only going to get told how great it is. I wanted to ask #debian, because debian doesn't use it. |
| 17:45.12 | pipeline | Prolac: also: many applications require an active tty at all times and will suspend themselves spontaneously if executed in background |
| 17:46.00 | abrotman | jrtayloriv: one item is that you may not know you have elevated privileges .. the timeout is 15 minutes .. you can accidentally do bad stuff without even knowing you have root perms |
| 17:46.08 | pipeline | jrtayloriv: every distribution includes sudo. I have no idea what special sudo configuration ubuntu ships. Ask #ubuntu about the details. I like and use sudo pervasively because it makes audit logging easy, and you know exactly who executed what. |
| 17:46.39 | abrotman | thinks the default timeout is 15 min |
| 17:46.53 | jrtayloriv | abrotman, That's actually a very good point. (And yes, the default is 15min) |
| 17:47.02 | arand | jrtayloriv: Well actually, if you don't specify a root password in d-i sudo will be set up in debian similar to how it is in ubuntu afaik. |
| 17:47.31 | Prolac | thanks for info, pipeline |
| 17:47.41 | Leoneof | hello, i see an icon in the top toolbar, notifying me about there are 61 updates, but when i click on it... it will appear empty Update Manager, and get freeze, how to fix it? |
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| 17:48.20 | Leoneof | sorry for my bad english |
| 17:48.39 | arand | jrtayloriv: And http://wiki.debian.org/sudo seems to claim it is better as well... |
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| 17:53.51 | gnufun | Leoneof: Have you tried updating & upgrading from the Terminal? |
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| 17:55.10 | katsrc | is SELinux prepackaged in debian by default? |
| 17:56.18 | ompaul | katsrc: there are thirty three selinux packages which refer to the word selinux and that includes all sorts of stuff - so I'd be inclined to say yes |
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| 17:57.27 | katsrc | SELinux that's developed by the NSA? |
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| 17:57.36 | abrotman | !selinux |
| 17:57.36 | dpkg | Security Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is NSA's port of the FLASK Security Architecture to Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. Unofficial FAQ: http://www.crypt.gen.nz/selinux/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux http://selinuxproject.org/ #selinux on irc.freenode.net. See also <apparmor>, <tomoyo>. |
| 17:58.05 | katsrc | that's crazy |
| 17:58.36 | katsrc | it's there in the heart of the OS isn't it |
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| 17:59.03 | pipeline | the nsa is not spying on you through selinux haha |
| 17:59.06 | ompaul | katsrc: not until you install and configure it |
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| 17:59.49 | ompaul | katsrc: and its source is available for you to review if you should choose to do so |
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| 18:00.22 | Fisherman | Hello. I just applied 54 updates and now my touchpad stopped working |
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| 18:01.11 | Fisherman | or rather, the scroll function on the touchpad stopped working |
| 18:02.36 | gnufun | Fisherman: Try System ---> Preferences ----> Mouse Choose Touchpad tab and see if it is enabled for scroll |
| 18:02.38 | Fisherman | Nevermind, I found out. |
| 18:02.49 | Fisherman | gnufun: that's what I just did. Thanks :) |
| 18:02.53 | thewanderer1 | can I boost sound loudness somehow? all sliders set to 100% combined are still too low |
| 18:03.01 | thewanderer1 | it's going through ASLA |
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| 18:03.02 | ThoMe | hiho |
| 18:03.08 | jrtayloriv | katsrc, On a side note, I generally recommend AppArmor for most use cases, because it's easier to configure (remember that improperly configured security problems are sometimes worse than none at all -- and SELinux is tricky to set up right) |
| 18:03.13 | thewanderer1 | s/ASLA/ALSA/ |
| 18:03.26 | ThoMe | have many php files with varialbes like $blub = $GET[test]; |
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| 18:03.44 | ThoMe | Now I will changed all variables from example [] to [''] |
| 18:04.04 | ThoMe | $_GET[schwups] to $_GET['schwups']; |
| 18:04.09 | ThoMe | can anyone help me? |
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| 18:04.33 | jrtayloriv | ThoMe, Yes, the people in #php can help you |
| 18:05.12 | kyodai | what the **** is wrong with the latest flash player, every time when i open a video, the system logs out |
| 18:05.28 | jelly-home | jrtayloriv: why does he need people in php to make a search/replace function? |
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| 18:05.48 | Matias | Hello! |
| 18:05.49 | jrtayloriv | jelly-home, Is that what he's asking? |
| 18:06.04 | gnufun | Fisherman: ah Perfect! |
| 18:06.16 | kyodai | is there any solution how to fix it? |
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| 18:06.30 | Fisherman | gnufun: I also found some other useful 'features' in there I checked |
| 18:06.43 | Matias | Why "who" returns more than one user? |
| 18:06.58 | jelly-home | jrtayloriv: that's one reasonable interpretation |
| 18:07.09 | Matias | It seems that 3 users are using this PC right now, it doesn't make sense, does it? |
| 18:07.37 | Matias | matias pts/0 2011-03-20 09:22 (:0) |
| 18:07.38 | Matias | matias pts/1 2011-03-20 15:04 (:0) |
| 18:07.38 | Matias | matias pts/2 2011-03-20 09:23 (:0.0) |
| 18:07.40 | Matias | is it.. normal? |
| 18:07.45 | abrotman | how many xterms? |
| 18:09.23 | Matias | I don't know? |
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| 18:10.01 | Matias | one is the console I executed who, another one can be used by KDE |
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| 18:10.03 | Fisherman | Anyone know how to change mouse clicks with touchpad so that 2-finger click is middlebutton instead of right button |
| 18:10.07 | dvs | NuclearMeltdown: not funny |
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| 18:14.06 | erAbuelo | buenas |
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| 18:14.41 | Bushmills | ThoMe: replace [ against [' and ] against ']. for example, use sed |
| 18:15.44 | ThoMe | Bushmills: hm, a example isnt available or? |
| 18:16.07 | Bushmills | try sed "s/\[/[\'/;s/]/\']/" <<< \$_GET[schwups] |
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| 18:16.40 | jelly-home | Bushmills: you don't want to touch other instances of [ ], just the specified |
| 18:16.57 | Bushmills | i don't know of any other instances |
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| 18:17.28 | jelly-home | there's going to be lots of [ ] in php code |
| 18:17.29 | ThoMe | Bushmills: |
| 18:17.32 | ThoMe | thomas@kruemel:~$ sed "s/\[/[\'/;s/]/\']/" <<< \$_GET[schwups] |
| 18:17.32 | ThoMe | $_GET['schwups'] |
| 18:17.32 | ThoMe | thomas@kruemel:~$ sed "s/\[/[\'/;s/]/\']/" <<< \$_GET['schwups'] |
| 18:17.34 | ThoMe | $_GET['schwups'] |
| 18:17.37 | ThoMe | thomas@kruemel:~$ |
| 18:17.39 | ThoMe | works feine |
| 18:18.03 | ThoMe | Bushmills: but when i have $_GET[schwups][test] |
| 18:18.14 | ThoMe | result is: $_GET['schwups'][test] |
| 18:18.30 | Bushmills | sed "s/\[/[\'/g;s/]/\']/g" <<< \$_GET[schwups][test] |
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| 18:18.46 | Bushmills | you can call it according your needs, you know? |
| 18:19.03 | Bushmills | create a different case, and your needs may be different again |
| 18:19.21 | ThoMe | hm, and how i can this sed-command for more as one file? |
| 18:20.09 | Bushmills | loop through files, write output to new file, before replacing old files against new files |
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| 18:20.23 | Bushmills | (after checking that the changes done are what you actually intended) |
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| 18:23.12 | llamazorz | I just installed debian on my desktop, I don't use wireless so why is wpa_supplicant running and should I remove it? |
| 18:23.32 | Bushmills | "why" .. because you installed it? |
| 18:23.41 | llamazorz | Bushmills: no I didn't |
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| 18:23.55 | Bushmills | then it's not installed, and it doesn't run |
| 18:24.04 | llamazorz | fresh install and it's installed |
| 18:24.12 | llamazorz | and it's running |
| 18:24.19 | ompaul | llamazorz: did you tick the "laptop" install by any chance? |
| 18:24.24 | llamazorz | nope |
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| 18:24.41 | ChibaPet | Hey all. I'm not finding where we say that security for oldstable lasts a year past the release of newstable. Is that still true? Where's it noted, either way? (Thanks in advance!) |
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| 18:25.45 | llamazorz | ompaul: only standard system and desktop enviorment |
| 18:26.31 | ChibaPet | Alright, found something here: |
| 18:26.31 | ChibaPet | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable |
| 18:26.37 | Bushmills | is network-config installed, by any chance? |
| 18:26.39 | dvs | llamazorz: probably because network manager is installed |
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| 18:26.55 | ompaul | llamazorz: well I have checked my squeeze box and it ain't running it - so don't know what you installed I have xfce and kde installed |
| 18:27.03 | llamazorz | I haven't installed anything |
| 18:27.10 | ompaul | not even debian? |
| 18:27.16 | Bushmills | empty disk? |
| 18:27.20 | dvs | llamazorz: desktop and standard install |
| 18:27.25 | llamazorz | well the os itself I have |
| 18:27.29 | llamazorz | but nothing else |
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| 18:27.52 | Bushmills | then somebody else must have installed it |
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| 18:28.02 | dvs | llamazorz: "installing nothing" would be not selecteding anything from that initial list. |
| 18:28.07 | llamazorz | Impossible unless it was a dependency |
| 18:28.20 | Bushmills | you said you installed nothing. not even dependencies |
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| 18:28.21 | llamazorz | dvs: dont be an idiot please |
| 18:28.24 | llamazorz | save yourself the trouble |
| 18:28.45 | dvs | llamazorz: I'm not being an idiot. Selecting nothing from that inital list would install a base system. |
| 18:28.52 | Bushmills | dependencies exist only because something is installed |
| 18:28.58 | llamazorz | Bushmills: no network-congfig is not installed |
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| 18:29.29 | Bushmills | do: aptitude why wpasupplicant |
| 18:29.46 | llamazorz | Like I said, I did not manually install anything but what the install disk chose for me. When I got to that screen Standard system and DE were chosen already |
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| 18:30.15 | llamazorz | I am simply asking why it was installed |
| 18:30.22 | dvs | llamazorz: And the gnome virtual package selects network-manager-gnome |
| 18:30.35 | Bushmills | because you installed it. |
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| 18:30.48 | Bushmills | if not you, somebody else did |
| 18:31.03 | llamazorz | Bushmills: again, no I didn't. |
| 18:31.09 | llamazorz | nor did anybody else |
| 18:31.18 | Bushmills | yes, i know already that you installed nothing |
| 18:31.34 | Bushmills | but - if you didn't install anything - how come that wpasupplicant is installed ... |
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| 18:32.22 | llamazorz | network manager depends on it. That doesn't mean a person installed it though |
| 18:32.47 | themill | llamazorz: you might want to study the output of "aptitude why gnome wpasupplicant" |
| 18:33.07 | Bushmills | what else installs it, if not a person? |
| 18:33.15 | llamazorz | the system itself? |
| 18:33.24 | Bushmills | ah. "the computer did it" |
| 18:33.27 | llamazorz | the package manager |
| 18:33.42 | dvs | sighs |
| 18:33.49 | Bushmills | "it wasn't me causing the crash. the car did it" |
| 18:34.03 | dvs | Bushmills: The cop didn't believe me! |
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| 18:34.15 | Bushmills | just insist that it wasn't you |
| 18:34.46 | llamazorz | Bushmills: does the system not resolve its own dependencies? |
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| 18:35.08 | Bushmills | not without being triggered into doing that by a human, installing things |
| 18:35.23 | llamazorz | Bushmills: I never triggered it, it was chosen for me |
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| 18:35.35 | themill | llamazorz: you installed the "Desktop" task during install. As a result of you doing that gnome and its dependencies were installed. One of its dependencies is wpasupplicant. There's nothing mysterious here. |
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| 18:35.41 | Bushmills | somebody else installed it for you? |
| 18:36.00 | llamazorz | themill: never said there was, but there is not a human doing it. The system did it |
| 18:36.14 | Bushmills | skynet mark II |
| 18:36.47 | themill | llamazorz: did you select "desktop task"? |
| 18:36.54 | llamazorz | themill: no |
| 18:36.59 | llamazorz | it was chosen for me |
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| 18:37.05 | themill | by the fairies? |
| 18:37.15 | ompaul | llamazorz: it is optional |
| 18:37.18 | llamazorz | no as a preselected entry in the system |
| 18:37.25 | ompaul | you can remove it |
| 18:37.27 | llamazorz | ompaul: maybe, but it is chosen for you |
| 18:37.27 | themill | llamazorz: what install cd did you use? |
| 18:37.50 | llamazorz | looked just like this http://lh4.ggpht.com/jmernstb/SHXwSU0FllI/AAAAAAAAAsw/LMQr6m440tI/s400/DE.jpg |
| 18:37.57 | llamazorz | see how it reads "predefined" |
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| 18:38.33 | themill | llamazorz: the collections of software are predefined, yes. You still chose to install them or not. What install cd did you use? |
| 18:38.45 | llamazorz | DVD1 |
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| 18:40.58 | eFfeM | hi, I'm trying to roll my own package and lintian keeps complaining about 2 errors, but not really an idea how to handle them; it concerns debhelper-but-no-misc-depends and empty-debian-diff; can't really find how to get rid of these (as this is a pkg fully under my control there are no debian diffs ofc |
| 18:41.26 | g105b | Hi all, I'm trying to add a user to multiple groups, but think I've got something wrong, can someone advise why this command isn't working? `usermod -G group1,group2,group3 username` |
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| 18:42.10 | K1ng | hello, how do i use /etc/shadow's password as a dir password? |
| 18:42.36 | ChibaPet | glob, what's the error? |
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| 18:43.02 | eFfeM | g105b: -g not -G |
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| 18:43.26 | Bushmills | g105b: that should be ok like this. why do you think that you got it wrong? |
| 18:43.27 | ChibaPet | -G is correct |
| 18:43.57 | g105b | Bushmills: because looking at cat /etc/passwd, it doesn't say the user is part of any of the groups I passed in |
| 18:43.59 | eFfeM | sorry yes, -g is for gid, -G for names |
| 18:44.11 | Bushmills | g105b: you won't find it there |
| 18:44.20 | Bushmills | try groups <username> |
| 18:44.31 | g105b | ah ok I'll check |
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| 18:45.14 | Bushmills | for looking into a file instead, look into file /etc/group |
| 18:45.38 | babilen | g105b: The change will not be reflected until you logout/login (newgrp is also an option, though) |
| 18:46.00 | g105b | yeah, I see the group names now with groups <username> |
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| 18:46.51 | llamazorz | if I uninstall network-manager-gnome will the internet still work fine? It's just behind a dhcp router? |
| 18:47.21 | eFfeM | is there a way to get rid of empty-debian-diff from lintian if I have no patches ? |
| 18:47.23 | Bushmills | llamazorz: internet doesn't care about network-manager being installed on your computer or not |
| 18:47.27 | g105b | my webserver is running with the group www-data, and I give this read/write access to /var/www , now I have associated the www-data group to user g105b, when I create a directory as g105b will the webserver have read/write access? |
| 18:47.32 | cahoot | llamazorz: you can use other means of connection |
| 18:47.39 | invalidargue597 | g105b: Yes |
| 18:47.41 | Bushmills | you can't crash rest of the world *that* easily |
| 18:47.50 | g105b | ah I'm happy now :D |
| 18:48.28 | invalidargue597 | g105b: Unless a freak case, that I haven't seen. Always works for me. |
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| 18:49.13 | Bushmills | g105b: nope. not just because of that |
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| 18:50.00 | g105b | well I'm testing it out now, hopefully got my users sorted out now - no more having to log on as root to sort out file permissions |
| 18:50.06 | Bushmills | group membership merely cause the use of the group permission set of files/directories |
| 18:50.30 | invalidargue597 | Bushmills: That's mainly what Apache cares about, in my experiences. |
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| 18:51.09 | Bushmills | if group permissions of files aren't set to include +w, apache can care as much as it wants |
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| 18:51.38 | Bushmills | besides, the case was "if i create a file as user" |
| 18:51.49 | llamazorz | thanks all |
| 18:52.23 | Bushmills | just by that user being www-data group member, apache receives no implied permissions from being in the same group on those user's files |
| 18:52.25 | invalidargue597 | Right, but as long as the set is >755 it'll be fine |
| 18:52.47 | invalidargue597 | So... oops. Shoulda mentioned that... :P |
| 18:53.05 | g105b | Bushmills: so the webserver may not have permission to write to the files created by the user? |
| 18:53.19 | invalidargue597 | g105b: You may also need to run chmod 0755 -R on /var/www, if I'm not mistaken |
| 18:53.23 | yang2 | Which is a good replacement for sysvconfig sysv-rc-conf ? |
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| 18:53.41 | Bushmills | no. if i'm user, and member of group www-data, and create a file, with ownership user.user, and permissions are even including group writes, apache as www-data.www-data still can't write to the files user creates |
| 18:54.09 | Bushmills | g105b: check out the newgrp command |
| 18:54.28 | Bushmills | and then check out using chmod to set group writes |
| 18:54.33 | AthomIk | On cups, the management of the quota it is bound(connected) to the modele of printer? |
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| 18:55.25 | g105b | Bushmills: does newgrp persist over sessions? |
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| 18:55.53 | Bushmills | nope. it works analog to a subshell |
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| 18:57.03 | g105b | ok, well I'm trying to set up my IDE so when I'm creating directories and files, the webserver can read and write in those directories... and I don't want to perform a `chmod -Rv g+rws /var/www` AND `chown -Rv www-data:www-data /var/www` every time I make a change. Can you advise what I should do? |
| 18:57.48 | Bushmills | just any file or dir you create? |
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| 18:58.32 | gribouille | are all the installed packages listed in a directory ? |
| 18:58.46 | Bushmills | gribouille: dpkg -l |
| 18:59.14 | g105b | Bushmills: yeah, I want my webserver to have read/write access to anything the IDE user creates |
| 18:59.35 | Bushmills | g105b: one way is to make www-data member of your user group, and set umask to 002 |
| 18:59.50 | gribouille | Bushmills, the system I want o check isn't the one I'm logged on right now |
| 19:02.24 | g105b | ah yeah, I'm doing it the wrong way round aren't I ... making my user a member of www-data when I should make www-data a member of g105b group |
| 19:03.01 | babilen | g105b: look into SGID for the directory + an appropriate umask (have not followed the complete backlog though) |
| 19:03.05 | Bushmills | gribouille: check out /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 19:03.59 | gribouille | Bushmills, thanks |
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| 19:05.34 | piercedwater | I get the error "Could not set 1024x768-GL video mode." when i try to run a program in a size larger than 640x480. I have installed all the OpenGL and X-Windows drivers that looked appropriate. Any suggestions? |
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| 19:06.36 | K1ng | can anyone help me with pwauth? |
| 19:06.50 | waterloo2005 | when I boot , It says: starting deferred execution scheduler atd failed . How to do with it ? thx |
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| 19:12.22 | Miesco | How do you search for a description in aptitude? |
| 19:12.33 | Miesco | Wasn't it ~D<search>< |
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| 19:13.34 | Leoneof | aptitude search <something> |
| 19:13.39 | Leoneof | i guess. |
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| 19:18.15 | AthomIk | piercedwater: see /var/log/X.0.log |
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| 19:18.35 | AthomIk | piercedwater: see /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 19:19.34 | Miesco | How do I enable php |
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| 19:20.47 | piercedwater | AthomIk: neither of those exist on my syste, |
| 19:20.49 | piercedwater | system* |
| 19:21.08 | gribouille | how can I extract files from a deb package ? |
| 19:21.23 | piercedwater | AthomIk: https://gist.github.com/ec94b74bfb5c862c5ff3 |
| 19:21.41 | Leoneof | gribouille: right click and select Extract here? |
| 19:21.58 | gribouille | Leoneof, with the command line |
| 19:22.03 | Leoneof | oh |
| 19:22.32 | Leoneof | no idea, i'm newbie |
| 19:22.44 | AthomIk | piercedwater: what s debian you use ? |
| 19:22.47 | babilen | gribouille: dpkg -x the.deb /path/to/extract/it/to |
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| 19:22.56 | gribouille | babilen, ok, thanks |
| 19:23.14 | meder | can anyone recommend an app that has realtime rss notifications through gnome? |
| 19:23.21 | babilen | gribouille: "ar" would work too |
| 19:23.25 | piercedwater | AthomIk: 6 |
| 19:24.15 | abrotman | meder: "real-time" is a good way to get banned |
| 19:24.23 | meder | huh? |
| 19:24.46 | gribouille | babilen, ok. earlier, I tried with tar, but it didn't work |
| 19:24.47 | MrFrood | ? |
| 19:24.48 | meder | because of constant requests? |
| 19:24.50 | meder | well |
| 19:24.53 | AthomIk | piercedwater: you re /var is full ? |
| 19:24.59 | meder | not really realtime, abrotman |
| 19:25.04 | meder | just pretty frequently? |
| 19:25.19 | piercedwater | AthomIk: no, it is pretty much a fresh install. No X log in the /var/usr |
| 19:25.41 | MrFrood | do you want a reader or a widget? |
| 19:26.02 | K1ng | help me please |
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| 19:26.08 | meder | MrFrood: not sure, so how about both for now |
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| 19:26.16 | K1ng | i cant find /usr/local/unixgroup |
| 19:26.22 | K1ng | can anyone tell me where is it? |
| 19:26.26 | g105b | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.31 | babilen | gribouille: They are packed with "ar" |
| 19:26.38 | abrotman | K1ng: no such thing would exist in Debian |
| 19:26.51 | AthomIk | piercedwater: have you a /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 19:26.56 | K1ng | ah |
| 19:27.30 | piercedwater | AthomIk: no. https://gist.github.com/6cb4697a2f9c23c303aa |
| 19:27.32 | peterrooney | piercedwater: you'd probably want to look in /var/log instead of /var/usr |
| 19:27.39 | babilen | g105b: Please look into SGID for directories + an appropriate umask |
| 19:28.00 | piercedwater | It isnt in /var/log either |
| 19:28.11 | MrFrood | meder: it's not gtk but I like canto as a reader |
| 19:28.16 | g105b | I don't know what SGID is |
| 19:28.25 | babilen | g105b: And you want your user to be in the www-data group and /var/www belong to that group |
| 19:28.27 | Bushmills | g105b: IIRC, setting umask was suggested to you too |
| 19:28.37 | MrFrood | & conky can display feeds on the desktop |
| 19:28.38 | ravenbird | Error: I tried to send you an empty message. |
| 19:28.50 | Bushmills | that't not optional, but part of the setup without which you'd have to set permissions manually |
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| 19:29.29 | AthomIk | piercedwater: i no see, what you use for X server.... |
| 19:29.49 | babilen | g105b: Ah, don't mind me. Rather implement one scheme correctly, than two incorrectly. (I just find the idea that /var/www belongs to a normal user pretty awkward) |
| 19:30.47 | Bushmills | babilen: actually, he wanted to allow any file/dir created by a particular user to be web read/writable |
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| 19:31.02 | piercedwater | AthomIk: xorg |
| 19:31.04 | Bushmills | not necessarily /var/www |
| 19:32.04 | Bushmills | so the idea is to make www-data user member of group of that particular user, and set umask to not mask group write permission |
| 19:32.11 | SparFux | pipeline: decided not to install deb package, but to put 389 into /opt. 1.2.6 is debian package, 1.2.8 is mainstream. |
| 19:32.52 | AthomIk | piercedwater: you have modify xorg config for remove log ? |
| 19:32.53 | pipeline | SparFux: yeah that should be pretty easy to patch by hand |
| 19:32.53 | babilen | Bushmills: Hence my "Don't mind me I shut up and stop giving conflicting/confusing advice) |
| 19:33.03 | piercedwater | AthomIk: nope |
| 19:33.21 | Bushmills | babilen: i read when you entered that you didn't have the backlog, that's why i was detailing the situation to you |
| 19:33.46 | babilen | Bushmills: thank you, but I guess you can handle that just fine :) |
| 19:34.16 | Bushmills | well, everything said, as far as i'm concerned :) |
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| 19:36.21 | AthomIk | piercedwater: without logs, is strange |
| 19:36.27 | piercedwater | AthomIk: I looked in /var/log/syslog, but nothing out of the ordinary |
| 19:36.32 | piercedwater | yes, i agree |
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| 19:38.00 | piercedwater | AthomIk: could this be it -> Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d" |
| 19:38.01 | Miesco | I installed the php5 mod and enabled it |
| 19:38.27 | piercedwater | AthomIk: ha! Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", |
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| 19:38.50 | abrotman | he said that before ? |
| 19:38.59 | groton_ | how to updated a debian system without internet connection? I would like a program that downloads all the package and its dependency, so that i can then install the package with dpkg -i package.deb |
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| 19:39.06 | abrotman | apt-zip |
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| 19:39.15 | AthomIk | piercedwater: yes, this |
| 19:39.32 | piercedwater | AthomIk: log file -> http://pastebin.com/mzsVXXxf |
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| 19:39.54 | groton_ | abrotman, thanks |
| 19:40.00 | piercedwater | It looks to me like I havent defined my screen |
| 19:40.30 | Bushmills | groton_: apt-offline - offline apt package manager may be helpful |
| 19:41.31 | piercedwater | Im not sure which file in the conf dir to edit |
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| 19:41.56 | Miesco | I enabled mod php in apache and its not working |
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| 19:42.14 | Miesco | a2enmod php5 |
| 19:42.15 | Miesco | I did that |
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| 19:42.40 | cahoot | reloaded apache? |
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| 19:43.19 | AthomIk | piercedwater: yes xorg detect a bad monitor |
| 19:43.26 | Miesco | cahoot: I did |
| 19:43.43 | piercedwater | AthomIk: Its a headless box, so how do I get it to display via ssh -X in a resolution larger than 640x480? |
| 19:43.47 | cahoot | checked the logs? |
| 19:44.19 | Miesco | okay it works |
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| 19:44.35 | nsadmin | that depends on the display |
| 19:44.58 | nsadmin | which is not on the headless box |
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| 19:45.55 | AthomIk | piercedwater: i think you must add a file.conf for you re monitor in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
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| 19:46.33 | nsadmin | the display size has NOTHING to do with the headless box on which no x server is (should be?) running |
| 19:46.57 | piercedwater | ok, soooo.. |
| 19:47.44 | piercedwater | I'm lost. L* |
| 19:47.45 | piercedwater | :( |
| 19:47.48 | nsadmin | the x SERVER would run on boxes that have displays |
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| 19:47.53 | nsadmin | and monitors |
| 19:48.18 | piercedwater | it looks like its running, jsut not at the resolution i want |
| 19:48.30 | piercedwater | which is why i thought it was a driver issue |
| 19:48.31 | nsadmin | the x CLIENTS are programs that run on the same box or another box and DISPLAY on a box with an x server |
| 19:48.39 | piercedwater | ok |
| 19:49.01 | piercedwater | so I need to make adjustments on my client? |
| 19:49.06 | gribouille | is possible to mount an ext4 file system as ext3 ? |
| 19:49.10 | nsadmin | a good read for you to see how all this works on a basic/legacy level is man X |
| 19:49.44 | nsadmin | on your client? you need to define what you mean by "client" and first read man X |
| 19:50.11 | Miesco | Should index.php get loaded automatically by default? |
| 19:50.16 | Miesco | How do I see this setting? |
| 19:50.46 | nsadmin | that's configured on whatever web server you're using |
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| 19:53.47 | MrWGW- | hey guys |
| 19:53.51 | keep_it_real | hi |
| 19:53.51 | mroe | is there a flag I can use when installing a package to override debconf's verbosity for just this install? |
| 19:53.57 | MrWGW- | a developer really fucked up this Debian 5 box but I don't want to reinstall it |
| 19:54.04 | MrWGW- | what he did was delete some files that were components of specific pakages |
| 19:54.19 | MrWGW- | is it possible to, using apt, have it validate each installed package on the system and replace any missing files? |
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| 19:55.36 | hipodilski | hi how can I watch a video via mplayer-mozilla plugin on fullscreen? |
| 19:55.37 | nsadmin | you can first get a list of all installed packages |
| 19:56.27 | MrWGW- | nsadmin: the installed packages on the system are actually desired |
| 19:56.55 | nsadmin | that should make them feel all warm and fuzzy... |
| 19:57.00 | nsadmin | still... |
| 19:57.02 | nsadmin | that should make them feel all warm and fuzzy... |
| 19:57.05 | nsadmin | you can first get a list of all installed packages |
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| 19:57.29 | keep_it_real | nsadmin: double click on video ? |
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| 20:00.29 | nsadmin | once you have that list you can iterate over it using one of many methods, and then do whatever for each |
| 20:00.42 | AthomIk | On cups, the management of the quota it is bound(connected) to the modele of printer? |
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| 20:01.01 | AthomIk | quota on my small inkjet no works.... |
| 20:01.37 | PinguinUser | hi everyone |
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| 20:08.50 | MrWGW- | actually this guy blew away all of /var |
| 20:08.51 | MrWGW- | suggestions? |
| 20:10.05 | babilen | you'll probably hate me, but: backups? |
| 20:10.16 | PinguinUser | install in a VM and then copy the original /var directory. |
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| 20:11.06 | jelly-home | MrWGW-: if it takes less than say 3-4 hours to set it up from scratch, reinstall. |
| 20:11.27 | PinguinUser | and then grab a list of all installed packages and fill it in apt-get --reinstall install xxxxxx |
| 20:11.44 | jelly-home | PinguinUser: what list of installed packages, /var is gone |
| 20:11.51 | jelly-home | that includes /var/lib/dpkg |
| 20:12.04 | PinguinUser | hm. you're right ;-) |
| 20:12.09 | MrWGW- | jelly-home: indeed |
| 20:12.11 | MrWGW- | actually fortunately |
| 20:12.17 | MrWGW- | he just mv'd /var to /backup |
| 20:12.18 | MrWGW- | ugh |
| 20:12.18 | MrWGW- | moron |
| 20:12.28 | MrWGW- | but this creates an easy fix |
| 20:12.39 | babilen | MrWGW-: So, you actually do have a /backup ;) |
| 20:12.45 | MrWGW- | indeed |
| 20:13.00 | MrWGW- | note btw no sensitive data was ever at risk here |
| 20:13.10 | MrWGW- | I mainly just didn't want to kill my whole afternoon reinstalling the *********er |
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| 20:14.11 | baton | where do i get info on debian mipsel port |
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| 20:14.28 | baton | it seems last time i check it is very machines specific |
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| 20:14.49 | babilen | baton: http://www.debian.org/ports/mipsel/ ? |
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| 20:15.22 | baton | babilen: i will look into it thanks |
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| 20:15.41 | ompaul | baton: mipsel is not mips but I guess you know that already |
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| 20:16.29 | baton | ompaul: yes i just want to run linux kernel and whatever on those chinese CPUs |
| 20:16.58 | ompaul | lemote? |
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| 20:17.14 | shlm | hi there |
| 20:17.15 | shlm | i got a group called webmin how to add a user called user1 to webmin ? |
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| 20:17.47 | babilen | shlm: adduser user1 webmin |
| 20:18.33 | shlm | but the user is allready created |
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| 20:18.49 | shlm | the user is existing allready |
| 20:19.17 | themill | shlm: that's fine; man adduser. |
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| 20:31.17 | fhp | hi, I am trying to get xdmcp to work with debian squeeze and kdm. does anyone know what i have to setup or know an howto somewhere? |
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| 20:35.41 | ymasory | is it possible to directly install sid from the netinstall cd? i couldn't find an option for adding apt sources |
| 20:36.50 | ompaul | ymasory: it adds in the repo during the install |
| 20:37.24 | ymasory | ompaul: i'm afraid i don't understand |
| 20:38.03 | ompaul | ymasory: it asks the questions during the install (netinstall cd) to create the repo |
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| 20:38.36 | ymasory | ompaul: oh i guess i missed it. so at that point it will directly install sid bypassing main? |
| 20:38.58 | ompaul | ymasory: sorry I now see what you mean |
| 20:39.36 | ymasory | yeah i'm trying to avoid downloading all the stable packages, then adding sid, and then re-downloading the whole OS |
| 20:39.39 | ompaul | ymasory: I didn't read your question correctly, I only know how to install "testing" |
| 20:39.46 | ymasory | oh i see |
| 20:40.01 | ompaul | ymasory: right now the the delta isn't huge - you can get the testing cds |
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| 20:40.33 | ymasory | ompaul yeah that makes sense. i'd tried the testing cd and for whatever reason the mouse wouldn't work in the graphical install. prolly just a fluke with this week's |
| 20:41.00 | ompaul | ymasory: new one today some time |
| 20:41.07 | ompaul | if you didn't get todays already |
| 20:41.13 | ymasory | nah yesterday's |
| 20:41.17 | ymasory | it's alright i already installed |
| 20:41.23 | ompaul | ok |
| 20:41.26 | ymasory | i'm switching my four computers from ubuntu to sid |
| 20:41.39 | ymasory | biggest problem has been graphics on my lenovo |
| 20:41.45 | jhutchins_lt | ymasory: Not a good idea. |
| 20:41.49 | jhutchins_lt | !sid |
| 20:41.49 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 20:42.12 | ymasory | yeah i understand |
| 20:42.39 | project2501a | i keep thinking, that if i would like to be done with the fuckturds that run "corporate environments", and allow me to run debian in a "corporate environment", i need to generate tools that can tell a plausible story to the balding middle-age managers who make up the growing underbelly of those corporate entities |
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| 20:42.41 | jhutchins_lt | On the other hand, the version numbers ARE bigger. |
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| 20:43.44 | ymasory | is running sid common? |
| 20:44.18 | fhp | I am trying to get xdmcp to work with debian squeeze and kdm. does anyone know what i have to setup or know an howto somewhere? |
| 20:44.27 | project2501a | so, i am thinking i need to use my skills as a programmer to automate comparison between debian and other distros: like a graphical chart displaying the upgrade path in debian and the other dists. and a tool showing the "support differences" between debian and other distros. |
| 20:44.51 | project2501a | mostly, this is in infiniband and other cutting edge equipment. |
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| 20:45.20 | project2501a | sorry, for the brain dump, this has been brewing in my head for 2-3 days now. |
| 20:45.23 | ompaul | ymasory: no, because it is unstable, and you need to be very careful about what you allow it to auto remove :) |
| 20:45.28 | project2501a | and the more i think about it, the more it makes sense. |
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| 20:46.10 | project2501a | i want to make debian more "enterprise-y" but i want to do it from a sysadmin's perspective |
| 20:46.10 | ymasory | ompaul: so testing is the common way to be "bleeding edge" |
| 20:46.20 | ymasory | ? |
| 20:46.21 | project2501a | let' apt-get install beowulf-cluster begin. |
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| 20:46.55 | ompaul | ymasory: no bleeding edge is madder and breaks more |
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| 20:47.10 | ompaul | ymasory: so it is a reasonable way to be bleeding edge :-) |
| 20:47.40 | ymasory | ompaul: i don't follow. |
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| 20:49.24 | ompaul | ymasory: I run sid with a newer kernel - I run squeeze standard I need a testing box :) |
| 20:49.42 | project2501a | also, we needs kerrighed back in debian. |
| 20:49.48 | ymasory | ompaul: ah |
| 20:49.51 | ompaul | ymasory: experimental is also available but youneed to be even more careful |
| 20:50.18 | ymasory | ompaul: well i'm switching from ubuntu because the size of my /opt was getting outrageous. i'll try sid for a while. i only learn the hard way :) |
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| 20:50.49 | ymasory | my home directory is a giant git repo so there's zero pain for me in reformatting |
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| 20:51.19 | ompaul | ymasory: enjoy |
| 20:51.52 | SparFux | pipeline: are those the 389 ds epel packages? |
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| 20:53.26 | SparFux | pipeline: I can only see rpm binary packages on the homepage of 389 |
| 20:53.33 | Qation | Hi, I tried installing firmware-b43-lpphy-installer for my b4312 card and now I can't get the gnome frontend to network manager to show |
| 20:53.52 | Qation | Anyone know how I can fix this? |
| 20:54.45 | Qation | I can see my device with ifconfig |
| 20:55.23 | dvs | Qation: Removed the device from your /etc/network/interfaces file |
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| 20:55.40 | Qation | I did that? |
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| 20:56.44 | Qation | This is my interfaces file http://pastie.org/1693682 |
| 20:56.48 | Qation | what should I replace? |
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| 20:57.14 | Phantom_Hoover | So, getting deCSS. How simple? |
| 20:57.25 | abrotman | debian-multimedia.org .. do you really still need it? |
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| 20:57.47 | Phantom_Hoover | Or, well, playing DVDs in general on Debian. |
| 20:57.54 | ompaul | !dvd |
| 20:57.54 | dpkg | [dvd] Digital Versatile Disc. To play a video DVD, ask me about <dvd playback>, then use either <totem>, <vlc>, <xine> or <mplayer>. To burn a DVD, ask me about <wodim> or <growisofs>. To download Debian DVD images, ask me about <iso> and <small dvd>. To buy Debian DVDs, ask me about <vendors>. To copy/rip/transcode DVD video, ask me about <dvd ripping>. |
| 20:57.57 | dvs | Qation: Oh? You're using the b43 druver? |
| 20:58.08 | Qation | Yeah well I think I am |
| 20:58.23 | Qation | I just installed that package and then the networkmanger disappeared |
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| 20:58.37 | ompaul | Phantom_Hoover: do >> /msg dpkg dvd playback << |
| 20:58.59 | dvs | Qation: I never had any success with the b43 driver. The last I saw, they were still working out the bugs. |
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| 20:59.14 | Qation | dvs: My interface looks like it works I just did a iwlist scan |
| 21:00.29 | dvs | Qation: Yeah, but I was getting status errors whenever I tried to use it. |
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| 21:00.32 | Qation | Yeah I have an acer netbook with bunch of problems on linux |
| 21:00.39 | Qation | My touchpad doesn't work at all |
| 21:00.57 | Qation | it used to on arch, but after I updated one time it stopped working |
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| 21:01.31 | Qation | Doesn't work now so it must be the linux kernel or something? |
| 21:01.53 | dvs | !tell Qation about wl |
| 21:02.12 | Qation | wl? |
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| 21:02.35 | dvs | http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 21:04.03 | jhutchins_lt | Qation: Wow, I have an Acer One and everything works except the flash reader. |
| 21:04.13 | jhutchins_lt | Camera, wifi, trackpad, everything. |
| 21:04.36 | jhutchins_lt | Not all of the function keys work, but the audio and brightness keys do. |
| 21:04.46 | Phantom_Hoover | Should I just use the default mas in regionset? |
| 21:04.50 | jhutchins_lt | Qation: Which release are you using? |
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| 21:05.44 | Phantom_Hoover | *mask |
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| 21:06.13 | Phantom_Hoover | Seriously, I would really like an answer to this. |
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| 21:06.27 | jhutchins_lt | Qation: That interface file looks fine for a wired connection. |
| 21:06.42 | Qation | Yeah wired works |
| 21:06.51 | Phantom_Hoover | Even tell me what the mask *does*? |
| 21:06.56 | Qation | My wireless interface scanned fine |
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| 21:07.00 | Phantom_Hoover | Tell me if I should leave it? |
| 21:07.10 | SparFux | pipeline: couldn't find the right binary file, so installed the debian packages :-) |
| 21:07.31 | Qation | jthomas_sb: but when i installed firmware-b43-lpphy-installer my network manager doesn't appear anymore |
| 21:07.38 | Qation | I can't put it on my panel anywhere |
| 21:07.49 | Qation | I tried installing network-manager-gnome again |
| 21:07.55 | pipeline | SparFux: frustrating, but not a big deal |
| 21:08.15 | pipeline | SparFux: truth betold, 389 is a fork of ns 5.1... and I never noticed any significant differences between fds/389ds and the official sun ds (5.2 at the time) |
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| 21:08.51 | jhutchins_lt | Qation: If you don't want to use network-manager for some reason you can configure wifi with this: |
| 21:08.53 | jhutchins_lt | auto wlan0\ iface wlan0 inet dhcp\ wpa-ssid <ssid>\ wpa-psk <psk> |
| 21:09.14 | Qation | Well i want to use network manager |
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| 21:09.23 | Qation | but it just disappeared.. |
| 21:09.36 | jhutchins_lt | I don't know anything about gnome, but I had to add the system tray manually so there would be a place for the wifi manager in kde4. |
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| 21:09.54 | SparFux | pipeline: it says (Error: no dirsrv instances configured). |
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| 21:10.54 | jhutchins_lt | Qation: My wifi is an atheros AR9285 |
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| 21:11.08 | jhutchins_lt | Qation: Which release are you on? |
| 21:11.32 | Qation | squeeze I believe |
| 21:11.35 | dvs | jhutchins_lt: You stole my wifi chip! |
| 21:11.49 | Qation | I just installed the netrealease |
| 21:11.53 | Qation | release* |
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| 21:13.13 | SparFux | pipeline: I read there is a mozilla plugin for graphical ldap support. that's neat. :-) |
| 21:13.17 | pipeline | SparFux: it means what it says... you gotta create a new data dir and get rolling. Consult the 389 wiki. |
| 21:13.38 | pipeline | SparFux: the best graphical ldap tool I know of is the management tool that comes with apacheds. The tool is totally vanilla LDAP and is completely independent of apacheds the server. The studio thing. |
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| 21:14.46 | SparFux | apache studio wasn't able to connect to my openldap for some reason. |
| 21:16.07 | Qation | Well I think my wireless works |
| 21:16.29 | Qation | is the package for network manger just network-manager |
| 21:16.31 | Qation | ? |
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| 21:16.39 | ectospasm | speaking of which, I've been running airodump for some time now |
| 21:16.51 | jhutchins_lt | Qation: Yes. |
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| 21:17.14 | g00se | For lenny, do i need to compile my own ffmpeg to encode mp3? |
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| 21:17.41 | jhutchins_lt | Qation: Yeah, your debian version should be 6.0.1 (if you updated today) and you should have squeeze in your /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 21:17.55 | jhutchins_lt | Qation: (If you have "stable" instead of "squeeze" you should change it.) |
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| 21:18.55 | Qation | alright so I installed network-manager again |
| 21:19.02 | Qation | so I need network-manager-gnome for a gui? |
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| 21:20.28 | Qation | because when I try with aptitude, it just says no packages will be installed |
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| 21:21.54 | jhutchins_lt | Qation: Possibly it's already there. |
| 21:22.07 | Qation | How can I get it on the panel then? |
| 21:22.10 | Qation | gnome-panel |
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| 21:23.30 | Qation | I've used arch for a long time, so is there a main configuration file? |
| 21:23.52 | Qation | which I can add daemons? |
| 21:23.56 | Qation | or something |
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| 21:24.49 | ryan-c | how safe is an etch -> lenny upgrade? |
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| 21:25.23 | jhutchins_lt | ryan-c: How much customization have you done beyond installing and removing packages? |
| 21:25.30 | ryan-c | sorry |
| 21:25.39 | ryan-c | i meant lenny -> squeeze |
| 21:25.47 | ryan-c | fairly heavy customization |
| 21:25.59 | jhutchins_lt | !tell ryan-c about release notes |
| 21:26.36 | jhutchins_lt | ryan-c: It's been smooth for most people. Check for firmware issues before beginning. |
| 21:26.46 | jhutchins_lt | !lenny->squeeze |
| 21:26.51 | ryan-c | I'm not using SysV init |
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| 21:26.58 | dvs | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 21:26.58 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>. |
| 21:27.10 | g105b | g105b@TestServer:/var/www$ nano test.txt |
| 21:27.13 | g105b | Error reading /home/g105b/.nano_history: Permission denied |
| 21:27.28 | jhutchins_lt | ryan-c: In that case it's up to you to figure it out and write it up. |
| 21:27.39 | g105b | anyone know why the g105b user has no permission in the home/g105b directory? |
| 21:27.40 | ryan-c | I'm most concerned about my init scripts getting hosed and my exim config being hosed. |
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| 21:28.19 | jhutchins_lt | g105b: Somebody ran the GUI as root? |
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| 21:31.32 | Qation_ | Does anyone use a synaptics touchpad? |
| 21:31.49 | ymasory | i can't run sgfxi because when i stop X i lose internet access. any suggestions? |
| 21:32.16 | Qation_ | ymasory: maybe using netcfg? |
| 21:32.27 | g00se | Where can i get debian-multimedia source packages (ffmpeg)? |
| 21:32.37 | ymasory | Qation_: command not found |
| 21:32.48 | Qation_ | you have to install it probably |
| 21:33.04 | wolfric | Are there any methods for wifi handling that would remember the mac address of an ap and notify if it changes. Also notify the reason why a wifi connection disconnects? |
| 21:33.06 | ymasory | unable to locate package |
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| 21:33.36 | Qation_ | Well I havn't used it on debian so maybe it isn't in the repositories |
| 21:34.26 | Qation_ | So does anyone know how to get a synaptics touchpad working? |
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| 21:35.25 | Xavierk | forgive me if this isn't the right location for this question. I have a debian server configured as a gateway. eth0 is internal (static), eth1 is wan (dhcp). Here is my iptables rules: http://pastebin.com/z6TJNgs7 My outbound traffic seems to work fine, but dcc chats, rdp, etc do not work inbound. can someone tell me what i am missing/set wrong? |
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| 21:36.55 | spal | http://www.linux-archive.org/debian-user/502972-tightvncserver-could-not-start-screen.html - I am facing this error. Could someone please help me in troubleshooting this? |
| 21:37.12 | spal | I don't know how to use the reply given in this thread |
| 21:37.16 | g105b | Qation_: I use synaptics touchpad |
| 21:37.22 | ompaul | Xavierk: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-security-4/irc-iptables-dcc-transfers-155266/ |
| 21:37.26 | g105b | sorry I'm a bit late, just read your message |
| 21:37.29 | karlpinc | Xavierk: This is probably the right place. |
| 21:37.38 | Qation_ | Its okay |
| 21:37.43 | Qation_ | DId it work at first? |
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| 21:38.05 | g105b | Qation_: yeah it worked without any special drivers, but not how I intended it to |
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| 21:38.16 | Qation_ | mine wont work at all. I know its name is: N: Name="SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad |
| 21:38.36 | karlpinc | Xavierk: I find raw iptables awkward and prefer something like ferm, or in some cases shorewell on top of it to provide a more clear syntax. |
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| 21:39.01 | ymasory | figured it out. you don't need to actually stop X for the whole system, just switch to a non-x desktop (ctrl+shift+f1) and run it from there |
| 21:39.40 | Xavierk | ompaul, just tried modprobe ip_nat_irc, that didn't seem to resolve my issue, thank you |
| 21:39.45 | g105b | Qation_: I got all the info I needed to make mine work properly on http://www.x.org/archive/X11R7.5/doc/man/man4/synaptics.4.html |
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| 21:40.09 | ompaul | Xavierk: there were two modules in there |
| 21:40.11 | Qation_ | I don't have an xorg.conf or xorg.conf.d |
| 21:40.13 | Xavierk | hmmm thank you for the suggestion karlpinc |
| 21:40.19 | g105b | main issue I had with my touchpad was if I disabled it, it would disable it forever |
| 21:41.02 | ompaul | Xavierk: ahh you are still stuck |
| 21:41.28 | Xavierk | ompaul, I also tried the ip_conntrack_irc, without any results |
| 21:41.35 | ompaul | Xavierk: how are you connected to the outside world? |
| 21:41.45 | Qation_ | Is there a package in debian like wgetpaste? |
| 21:42.05 | Xavierk | ompaul, throught the gateway, with that script I provided |
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| 21:42.34 | spal | any help with this: http://pastebin.com/0bWWEpJZ ? |
| 21:43.24 | Qation_ | Or something that takes the output from a command and uploads to pastie.org or pastebin or something like that? |
| 21:43.31 | ompaul | Xavierk: what lies beyond the gateway on the internet side - something that might block connections or a bridged modem? |
| 21:43.49 | karlpinc | !tell Qation_ about pastebinit |
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| 21:44.04 | karlpinc | Qation_: Is that what you thinking of? |
| 21:44.08 | Qation_ | Yeah probably |
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| 21:44.53 | Xavierk | ompaul a cablemodem is the next hop. The cable modem has no firewalling. This was working fine with my old linksys router, which I ditched for the better gateway system |
| 21:45.31 | ompaul | Xavierk: ok |
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| 21:47.11 | Qation_ | Does this give any info how I can get my touchpad working? http://pastie.org/1693838 |
| 21:47.46 | Qation_ | Why would the config file be in /root? |
| 21:47.53 | Qation_ | I thought it would be in /etc |
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| 21:51.34 | Xavierk | ompaul, I think I got it working... going to test now |
| 21:51.53 | ompaul | Xavierk: what was the change? |
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| 21:53.01 | LinuxGuy2009 | If I want KDE/Dolphin to 'not' remember view settings for individual folders and go back to my custom default settings every time a folder is opened, how do I do that? Is it possible? |
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| 21:54.30 | Xavierk | ompaul, my pc... earlier, I had issues with the script... and my pc wasn't getting the requests... I must've fixed them and forgot to turn my pc version back off.... disabled my pc firewall and rdp started working |
| 21:54.53 | ompaul | LinuxGuy2009: Menu settings - configure - general - behaviour |
| 21:55.16 | ompaul | Xavierk: we'll say nothing if you say nothing ;-) |
| 21:56.31 | Qation_ | Should I make the xorg.conf file if I dont have it? |
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| 21:57.32 | LinuxGuy2009 | ompaul: Awesome! Thank You. Man I love KDE4. |
| 21:58.57 | Xavierk | ompaul, well that fixed my rdp issue, but seems my dcc is still an issue |
| 21:59.30 | ompaul | LinuxGuy2009: there are many settings - the most annoying is in system settings can't remember the one to to turn it on but if your keyboard goes "so slow you can't really type on it and be useful" remember to look in accessibility for slow keys |
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| 21:59.57 | ompaul | Xavierk: you have restarted your firewall? |
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| 22:00.07 | ompaul | Xavierk: or reloaded at least |
| 22:00.31 | Xavierk | ompaul, I have and just did it again |
| 22:00.36 | LinuxGuy2009 | ompaul: Ah ok good tip. |
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| 22:01.46 | ompaul | Xavierk: run tcp dump and see what you can see |
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| 22:02.58 | ompaul | Xavierk: I have to go - but if you do some judicious grep -v stuff you may find the dcc traffic somewhere |
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| 22:13.04 | arand | Is there a way to find (and rename) all files with filenames which would be win-incompatible? |
| 22:13.21 | abrotman | what does windows have to do with it ? |
| 22:14.02 | nkuttler | arand: sure, find + rename |
| 22:14.24 | Bushmills | windows still uses 8.3 file name format? |
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| 22:16.47 | arand | But I would need to specify the replacement by hand? s/?/q/ etc. ? |
| 22:18.13 | Bushmills | see whether fslint can help you |
| 22:18.26 | LinuxGuy2009 | In KDE4, when using Dolphin file manager, when I plug in an external USB drive, is it possible to set a user readable name and use my own icon image? |
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| 22:18.41 | LinuxGuy2009 | In the places side bar I mean. |
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| 22:27.30 | smacnay | Strange. My buttons all have a "reduced colour" look. Very basic and simple slashes instead of smooth bevels. I am wondering if the newer nvidia driver has affected this. Anyone else notice this (deb sid). |
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| 22:29.47 | jhutchins_lt | smacnay: Is your color depth or resolution reduced? |
| 22:30.31 | smacnay | jhutchins_lt, when I run nvidia-settings, it shows the depth at 24. |
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| 22:30.58 | smacnay | jhutchins_lt, Maybe this nvidia-settings is not working with the new drivers. |
| 22:31.28 | jhutchins_lt | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 22:31.39 | smacnay | jhutchins_lt, IS there an alternative way to determine color depth with the newer xorg? It used to be in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. |
| 22:31.45 | smacnay | jhutchins_lt, thanks |
| 22:32.06 | jhutchins_lt | It's a mess to wade through, but the info should be there. |
| 22:32.37 | Spida | is it possible to find out the names of all modules known to dkms? |
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| 22:35.18 | LinuxGuy2009 | Does KDE 4.4.5 have custom drive icon capability? |
| 22:35.21 | smacnay | jhutchins_lt, I see the "Depth 24" stated a few times but also see dri modules are being loaded. I remember these were not to be loaded some time ago. |
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| 22:37.46 | g105b | `nano /var/www/test.php` -> `Error reading /home/g105b/.nano_history: Permission denied` |
| 22:37.51 | g105b | Can anyone help me with this error? |
| 22:38.06 | g105b | Why do I not have permission to this file in my home directory? |
| 22:38.27 | abrotman | ls -l /home/g105b/.nano_history |
| 22:38.30 | Zao | g105b: You might have misused superuser privs, accidentally setting the owner of it to root. |
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| 22:39.56 | Tau | there is a girl that wants to get naked on the cam but this fucking amsn doesn't turn on the cam. |
| 22:39.57 | Tau | kkk |
| 22:40.05 | Tau | i will just lose this opportunity |
| 22:40.16 | Tau | if anyone doesn't help me |
| 22:41.00 | g105b | Tau, it's probably a 63 year old man |
| 22:41.12 | Tau | g105b, no, but she is a bit fat. |
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| 22:41.39 | g105b | fat girls need love too. but they have to pay. |
| 22:41.45 | g105b | (quagmire quote) |
| 22:41.52 | Tau | g105b, but i don't charge for that. |
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| 22:42.06 | Tau | i like fat girls. |
| 22:42.08 | Tau | kkk |
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| 22:43.00 | Tau | g105b, someidea ? |
| 22:44.07 | g105b | with what? |
| 22:44.26 | Tau | with the cam |
| 22:44.35 | g105b | yeah install the drivers |
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| 22:45.38 | shlm | hi |
| 22:45.49 | Zao | Quick, reboot to Windows. |
| 22:46.03 | shlm | i can't understand the chown and chmod |
| 22:46.15 | Zao | shlm: What about them? |
| 22:46.40 | shlm | i a user called user1 and a group called apache |
| 22:47.20 | shlm | so i did adduser user1 |
| 22:47.35 | shlm | to place the user1 to apache |
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| 22:48.24 | shlm | i done useradd -g user1 apache |
| 22:48.35 | Vasistha | any recommended svg viewer for lenny / kde ? |
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| 22:49.23 | shlm | but my user1 can't chmod to other is that normal ? |
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| 22:49.51 | shlm | his folder is set chmod 777 but my user can't able to chmod to 750 |
| 22:49.56 | Vasistha | shlm: keep in mind your user may need to re-log in as old logins won't have registered the new groups |
| 22:49.58 | shlm | for example |
| 22:50.00 | shlm | what to do ? |
| 22:51.04 | Vasistha | shlm: and regardless of permissions set on a folder, a user can only chmod it if the user owns the folder or (if I'm not mistaken) is a member of the folder's group |
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| 22:51.55 | shlm | i m not sure about this command |
| 22:52.00 | shlm | useradd -g user1 apache |
| 22:52.04 | shlm | what is do ? |
| 22:52.18 | shlm | is it adding the user1 to group apache ? |
| 22:52.31 | Vasistha | shlm: probably you want usermod not useradd |
| 22:52.51 | shlm | what is the difference ? |
| 22:52.53 | Vasistha | shlm usermod -aG groupname-to-add username |
| 22:53.30 | Vasistha | shlm: oh, you know, useradd is fine, I'm just in the habit of using usermod. However you are not using the right option, you need -G not -g |
| 22:54.09 | Vasistha | shlm: and I think you're putting things in the wrong order, too. You should do useradd -G groupname username |
| 22:54.11 | shlm | having the same error |
| 22:54.20 | Vasistha | shlm: what exactly is the error? |
| 22:54.52 | shlm | Operation not permitted |
| 22:55.04 | Vasistha | shlm: when doing what? |
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| 22:55.18 | Vasistha | shlm: that is to say, exactly what command did you issue? |
| 22:55.24 | shlm | once after loging as user1 |
| 22:55.36 | shlm | if i chmod -R 750 myfolder |
| 22:56.00 | shlm | i got that error : Operation not permitted |
| 22:56.11 | wobblyonions | guys, just to check something if a process is in a D State when running top, that means it's waiting for disk right? |
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| 22:56.43 | shlm | is that normal ? Vasistha |
| 22:57.03 | Vasistha | shlm: it's normal if the user does not own the folder |
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| 22:57.33 | shlm | the folder is own by the apache |
| 22:57.46 | webpigeon | The user or the group? |
| 22:58.01 | shlm | i don't know |
| 22:58.05 | shlm | how to check ? |
| 22:58.09 | webpigeon | ls -l |
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| 22:58.18 | Vasistha | shlm: ls -l -d folder |
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| 22:58.49 | Vasistha | shlm: should start with something like drwxrwxr-x |
| 22:59.28 | shlm | ok |
| 22:59.30 | shlm | let me check |
| 23:00.01 | Vasistha | shlm: mm, I take it back. Only the owner of a folder can chmod it; a group-member may not. |
| 23:00.43 | shlm | here it is : http://paste.ubuntu.com/583090/ |
| 23:00.45 | webpigeon | so it should say user1 apache |
| 23:00.53 | Vasistha | wobblyonions: according to man top, it says "uninterruptable sleep" ... I'm not sure. |
| 23:01.16 | wobblyonions | ok thanks will dig deeper to try and find out |
| 23:01.17 | Vasistha | shlm: you did ls -l not ls -l -d |
| 23:01.27 | shlm | what i have to do now ? |
| 23:01.29 | webpigeon | Vasistha: my fault, sorry |
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| 23:01.38 | shlm | ok |
| 23:01.53 | Vasistha | shlm: at any rate, like I told you, your user is not going to be able to chmod that folder; you will have to sudo or su apache to do it |
| 23:02.02 | egoleo | hello i need help with postgrey on debian. how do i change the port for postgrey on debian? |
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| 23:02.32 | emerson | how shall I change formats I mean from ogg to mp3 |
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| 23:02.40 | shlm | ok what i have to Vasistha |
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| 23:02.53 | Vasistha | emerson: I usually use ffmpeg for audio conversions |
| 23:03.14 | scottuss | sound converter is a nice gui, if you need one |
| 23:03.19 | Vasistha | shlm: I just told you. |
| 23:03.32 | Vasistha | boy. |
| 23:03.34 | Vasistha | !sunday |
| 23:03.34 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 23:03.59 | shlm | ls -l -d folder ? |
| 23:04.21 | webpigeon | shlm: su apache and change permissions |
| 23:04.24 | Vasistha | shlm: your user does not own the folder, so your user cannot chmod the folder. that's it. |
| 23:04.24 | webpigeon | or as root |
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| 23:05.04 | shlm | but i don't allow my user1 to su |
| 23:05.26 | scottuss | shlm you mean you cant sudo right? |
| 23:05.30 | shlm | what should i have to do now ? |
| 23:05.41 | shlm | i have root access |
| 23:05.50 | shlm | i can |
| 23:06.00 | babilen | shlm: change it as root (su) |
| 23:06.12 | shlm | but i don't want that my user to have root acces |
| 23:06.21 | scottuss | shlm: what?? |
| 23:06.22 | emerson | Vasistha:sorry but how shall I install it ? |
| 23:06.25 | shlm | so my quesition now |
| 23:06.26 | Vasistha | shlm: then go to #ubuntu |
| 23:06.42 | shlm | is how my user1 chmod |
| 23:06.53 | Vasistha | shlm: he doesn't. |
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| 23:07.06 | Vasistha | emerson: ...same way you install anything? |
| 23:07.08 | webpigeon | shlm: user1 cannot chmod folders it doesn't own |
| 23:07.23 | shlm | yes i get that |
| 23:07.39 | shlm | let me ask that question in other way |
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| 23:08.02 | scottuss | shlm: become root. do what you need to do, end root session. |
| 23:08.08 | scottuss | easy |
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| 23:08.21 | babilen | shlm: uname -r ? |
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| 23:08.37 | scottuss | ubuntu |
| 23:08.37 | emerson | Vasistha: it's okay I found it .... |
| 23:08.39 | scottuss | lol |
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| 23:08.53 | shlm | to able to own that folder by my user and that user can't also a part of the group apache ? |
| 23:08.58 | shlm | how to do that one ? |
| 23:09.41 | shlm | to able to own that folder by my user and that user can also a part of the group apache ? |
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| 23:09.48 | shlm | how to do that one ? |
| 23:10.00 | scottuss | shlm: use chown to change ownership |
| 23:10.07 | shlm | ok |
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| 23:10.17 | Bushmills | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permissions |
| 23:10.33 | shlm | i have to do this : chown -R user1:apache |
| 23:10.40 | shlm | i have to do this : chown -R user1:apache /www |
| 23:10.50 | webpigeon | su -c "chown user1:apache dirname" will change the directory to be owned by... don't do that o.O |
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| 23:11.01 | shlm | or i have to do this : chown -R apache:apache /www |
| 23:11.02 | babilen | shlm: You might want to read a good book/document on linux. I would recommend to Debian Reference and the newbiedocs |
| 23:11.06 | babilen | !tell shlm -about newbiedoc |
| 23:11.23 | babilen | shlm: Could you give me the output of "uname -r" please? |
| 23:11.39 | babilen | !tell shlm -about reference |
| 23:11.49 | webpigeon | shlm, do you just want to be able to write to the /www directory? |
| 23:11.54 | Vasistha | shlm: don't do that. it's a bad idea. You're going to break your system. |
| 23:12.06 | Vasistha | shlm: what are you REALLY trying to do anyway? |
| 23:12.15 | themill | wonders why there's an "apache" group anyway |
| 23:12.19 | shlm | no also the sub directory webpigeon |
| 23:12.27 | Charlie | is anybody using raid 10? is it stable? |
| 23:12.35 | Vasistha | !ubuntu shlm |
| 23:12.35 | dpkg | shlm: Please take your Ubuntu question to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net as they are able to help you much better with Ubuntu questions than #debian. Ubuntu can be quite different from Debian, #debian is not just a version of #ubuntu for advanced Ubuntu users. |
| 23:12.49 | shlm | why there Vasistha |
| 23:12.52 | shlm | ? |
| 23:13.00 | shlm | i got etch |
| 23:13.13 | Vasistha | oh dear.' |
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| 23:13.27 | webpigeon | shlm: so if i undetstand you correctly, you want to be able to write to the directory (and it's sub directories) as user1, which belongs to apache |
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| 23:13.41 | webpigeon | (by apache i mean the apache group) |
| 23:13.49 | shlm | yes |
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| 23:13.54 | shlm | correct webpigeon |
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| 23:14.16 | shlm | what i have to do ? |
| 23:14.21 | Vasistha | shlm: probably what you want to do then is set the sticky group bit on /var/www or whatever |
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| 23:15.11 | webpigeon | make the directory (and sub directoires) group writable? |
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| 23:15.27 | shlm | yes |
| 23:15.28 | Vasistha | shlm: ...and/or change the umask for apache |
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| 23:16.24 | shlm | what should i have to do technicaly ? |
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| 23:16.31 | babilen | shlm: Why are you running etch? Could you give me the output of "uname -r" please? |
| 23:16.33 | webpigeon | chmod -R 770 would change the permissions recussivly, but new additions to the directory won't have those permssions by default, and it's probably not the most secure souliton |
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| 23:16.40 | shlm | just simple my question : |
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| 23:17.17 | streuner__ | babilen: you asked him 3 times, what do you expect? :-P |
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| 23:17.25 | babilen | an answer? |
| 23:17.31 | shlm | what this command do : chown -R apache:apache /www |
| 23:17.49 | webpigeon | set the user and group to be apache |
| 23:17.57 | streuner__ | babilen: sure, but 3 times, i would give up at one time |
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| 23:18.26 | webpigeon | (which they already are) |
| 23:18.35 | scottuss | babilen: he's running etch.. I think |
| 23:18.35 | shlm | chown -R apache:apache /www which is one is the user and which is the group ? |
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| 23:18.49 | scottuss | the first is the user |
| 23:18.50 | Vasistha | shlm: read the f'in manpage man |
| 23:18.53 | webpigeon | shlm: user:group |
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| 23:19.09 | shlm | thanks webpigeon |
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| 23:20.03 | henux | Hi. Can you suggest me how to change the console mode in the new grub2 system? I tried changing the GRUB_GFXMODE in /etc/default/grub to no avail |
| 23:20.50 | dvs | henux: what do you mean by "console mode"? |
| 23:21.00 | henux | the console resolution / dimension |
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| 23:21.10 | babilen | henux: Read info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration' and in particular the description of the GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX option (keep) |
| 23:21.22 | henux | alright i will thank you |
| 23:21.47 | babilen | henux: That is mentioned in /etc/default/grub btw :) |
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| 23:22.26 | henux | babilen: what is? |
| 23:22.35 | shlm | the solution for my problem is simply to do |
| 23:22.49 | babilen | henux: The "info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'" is it not? |
| 23:22.50 | shlm | chown -R user1:apache /www |
| 23:23.05 | henux | babilen: it appears to be now |
| 23:23.06 | shlm | i don't know why ppl behave like bill gates for that ? |
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| 23:23.14 | shlm | thanks a lot webpigeon |
| 23:23.18 | shlm | bye all |
| 23:23.25 | emerson | Vasistha: my installer is gone... |
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| 23:23.41 | emerson | Vasistha: I gonna try to fix it .. |
| 23:23.48 | webpigeon | oh dear x.x |
| 23:23.57 | babilen | Wonderful, another insecure host on the internet. |
| 23:24.31 | henux | babilen: thank you for your help nonetheless |
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| 23:25.46 | scottuss | babilen: the worrying thing is some of these people run important websites |
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| 23:26.17 | webpigeon | There are more insecure settings... admiditly not much |
| 23:26.28 | scottuss | true |
| 23:26.46 | scottuss | but if that was difficult, imagine what other mess there could be |
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| 23:27.07 | webpigeon | scottuss: AllowRootLogin: yes? |
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| 23:27.27 | scottuss | webpigeon: lol |
| 23:28.16 | webpigeon | which is enabled by default in some sshd_config files x.x |
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| 23:28.49 | scottuss | ubuntu has it on my default, iirc |
| 23:28.54 | webpigeon | it does |
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| 23:29.26 | scottuss | which is odd considering... |
| 23:29.36 | webpigeon | you can't log in as root locally? |
| 23:29.46 | scottuss | exactly |
| 23:30.06 | abrotman | did oyu set a password for root when you installed? |
| 23:30.06 | scottuss | oh but sudo is more secure ;) |
| 23:30.10 | abrotman | it is? |
| 23:30.31 | babilen | webpigeon: The fact alone that he is (supposedly) running etch is enough. It does not even take an insecure configuration |
| 23:30.56 | scottuss | maybe it was a bad troll? |
| 23:31.11 | webpigeon | '07? |
| 23:31.17 | babilen | anyway |
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| 23:31.32 | flamot_ | whatever it is iha.. Just to get.. |
| 23:32.25 | babilen | flamot_: Excuse me, but: what? |
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| 23:36.26 | scottuss | and then there was silence |
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| 23:41.15 | Bushmills | actually, i believe that you have been trolled |
| 23:43.38 | webpigeon | Bushmills: oh? |
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| 23:45.51 | henux | Hi, can you tell me how do I get the kernel configuration file the packages kernel is compiled with? |
| 23:45.53 | AVUser | Yo I have a question |
| 23:45.56 | henux | packaged* |
| 23:46.07 | AVUser | What is the name of the program or feature that lets you use the numeric keys as a mouse |
| 23:46.10 | henux | I think there was some /proc you could use |
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| 23:46.23 | dvs | henux: ls -l /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 23:46.27 | Bushmills | henux: in /boot/config* |
| 23:46.35 | henux | right thanks |
| 23:47.02 | AVUser | Where's a good Linux( prefereab ly Debian) help chahnel? |
| 23:47.09 | ymasory | how can i remove parts of gnome, like 'evolution', without synaptic wanting to remove all of gnome? |
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| 23:47.36 | Bushmills | AVUser: tehre is noen |
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| 23:48.21 | Bushmills | ymasory: "all of gnome" - package gnome is only a metapackage, can be removed as long as you keep the wanted components |
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| 23:48.58 | themill | ymasory: gnome has evolution sufficiently deeply embedded in it that you can't really rip it out. |
| 23:49.05 | ymasory | Bushmills: that makes sense. same with gnome-core, gnome-desktop-environment and gnome-accessibility/ |
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| 23:49.11 | Bushmills | in fact, all those unwanted stuff gets installed *because* of package gnome, which only creates the dependencies to those packages |
| 23:49.14 | webpigeon | o.O |
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| 23:51.08 | ymasory | well i removed evolution and i'm still here so i guess it worked :) |
| 23:51.12 | themill | ymasory: only "gnome-session" is sufficiently small to not drag in evolution; "/msg dpkg remove rhythmbox" for the general procedure. |
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| 23:51.42 | webpigeon | the data server stuff is probably (hopefully) still there |
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| 23:55.05 | speakerset | is there anything wrong with using mint linux packages in debian? |
| 23:55.51 | jordanm | mixing releases and/or distros often leads to a broken system |
| 23:56.09 | abrotman | he lives! |
| 23:56.29 | speakerset | jordanm: well it just installs in /opt |
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| 23:56.36 | dvs | good! a new bot! |
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| 23:57.03 | jordanm | speakerset: packages generally shouldn't install to /opt. what package? |
| 23:57.07 | Bushmills | speakerset: i suppose not a lot of people have tried that |
| 23:57.17 | speakerset | jordanm: firefox and thunderbird |
| 23:57.19 | Bushmills | they're probably worried to break their systems |
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| 23:58.39 | dvs | When does Firefox 4 release? |
| 23:59.06 | henux | If I take the config of the default debian kernel, run it with 'make oldconfig' of 2.6.38 and then 'make && make install && make modules_install' that should be it? do i need to generate the initrd or something? |
| 23:59.12 | jordanm | speakerset: if you really want that, I recommend their upstream tarballs to /opt instead of another distros package. not supported here. although, iceweasel and icedove should be just fine |
| 23:59.46 | abrotman | henux: that depends on your config and your hardware |
| 23:59.53 | dvs | henux: You'll have to make an initrd. Also, there are more kernel options to fill in. |
