| 00:00.10 | speakerset | jordanm: well installing from source proves to be tough as there are a ton of errors and dependencies with libraries while the mint package just works well. |
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| 00:00.13 | henux | dvs: make oldconfig should take care of the old options with def values |
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| 00:00.47 | dvs | henux: You'll have to answer a whole bunch of new ones. |
| 00:00.52 | henux | i know |
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| 00:01.34 | Bushmills | henux: check out make-kpkg of kernel-package |
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| 00:03.00 | henux | if i compile every modules required to boot into the kernel, i shouldn't need the initrd? |
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| 00:03.24 | henux | essentially these are the fs and the device drivers for the harddrive |
| 00:04.09 | dvs | henux: Nowadays, it expects to find an initrd. |
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| 00:04.26 | Bushmills | you need to compile fs support of the volume your modules are on into the kernel without initrd |
| 00:04.29 | ix | henux: yes. |
| 00:04.43 | gnarface | hey so like vga=ask is deprecated now? |
| 00:04.43 | jordanm | henux: you actually need to op not to compile them as modules, and built-in instead |
| 00:04.56 | henux | i'm just trying to make the minimal possible kernel for some kernel mod development |
| 00:04.59 | jordanm | !te;; gnarface about kms |
| 00:05.03 | jordanm | !tell gnarface about kms |
| 00:05.21 | gnarface | thanks |
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| 00:06.09 | Bushmills | ah ... "compile .. into the kernel" - right track. |
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| 00:06.52 | gnarface | jordanm: so some hardware will still use vga= instead of the new grub confs? |
| 00:07.58 | jordanm | gnarface: I don't know much more than the factoid presented. kms has always "just worked" for me |
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| 00:09.41 | henux | dvs: what is that initrd being required? |
| 00:09.46 | henux | dvs: since when and why? |
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| 00:09.54 | ymasory | Bushmills: i think you were wrong. apt wants to autoremove all of gnome now :( |
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| 00:10.22 | Bushmills | ymasory: "...can be removed as long as you keep the wanted components" |
| 00:10.31 | Bushmills | you already said it: "autoremoved" |
| 00:10.49 | dvs | henux: Dunno when. Most of the tools used for the kernel are looking for it. |
| 00:10.56 | ymasory | Bushmills: ah, well how do i mark them for keeping? |
| 00:11.05 | Bushmills | you select them for installation |
| 00:11.08 | henux | dvs: you mean grub? |
| 00:11.23 | ymasory | that's a bummer |
| 00:11.24 | dvs | henux: You can try it without an initrd but it may not work. |
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| 00:11.51 | themill | ymasory: only "gnome-session" is sufficiently small to not drag in evolution; "/msg dpkg remove rhythmbox" for the general procedure. |
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| 00:13.59 | peterrooney | !deborphan |
| 00:13.59 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. http://tinyurl.com/jukag provides a nice guide to several more steps to reclaim big chunks of HDD. Ask me about <debfoster><autoremove><unmarkauto>. |
| 00:14.40 | Bushmills | there's also aptitude unmarkauto |
| 00:14.42 | gnarface | jordanm: yea it worked for me too, basically... but when i replaced the noveau driver that was auto-picked for this ancient diamond viper v770 card with a 96.xx.xx legacy nvidia binary driver (in a futile attempt to make flash video playable and get hardware glx accel) the console res went away, so now i want to know how its controlled so i can make it work on my incredibly picky projector |
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| 00:16.15 | Bushmills | m and M toggles auto state in aptitude interactive mode |
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| 00:17.59 | ruser | Does Alt+Shift+Num Lock work on ALL X Servers? |
| 00:18.13 | ruser | Does Alt+Shift+Num Lock work on ALL X Servers?? |
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| 00:18.35 | Raptors | Hey guys |
| 00:18.43 | Raptors | how do I create a .iso with Brasero |
| 00:18.43 | Raptors | ? |
| 00:18.56 | abrotman | burn? |
| 00:18.58 | Raptors | the only options I have under copy is cue and cdrdao |
| 00:19.11 | Raptors | no copy a cd to a disk |
| 00:19.13 | Raptors | err |
| 00:19.16 | Raptors | file |
| 00:19.22 | Raptors | an iso file |
| 00:19.30 | ymasory | ubuntu knows how to remove just certain gnome apps. does that mean software-center in debian can do it? |
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| 00:20.44 | smacnay | how is a video driver changed in xorg - is it a "dpkg --reconfigure ..." command? |
| 00:21.31 | kitsune | I have a pretty noobish question... I made a new user with sudo useradd, but there is no default ~ directory, and /home/[username] doesn't exist |
| 00:21.35 | kitsune | how would I fix that? |
| 00:21.47 | Bushmills | kitsune: use adduser |
| 00:22.01 | kitsune | err I meant that |
| 00:22.03 | kitsune | it uhm |
| 00:22.05 | gnarface | kitsune: you can just create one and chown it to them but in the future use adduser instead of useradd (i know that seems dumb) |
| 00:22.20 | brownies | i always confuse the two and have to google it |
| 00:22.20 | kitsune | I think I typo'd :/ |
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| 00:22.25 | kitsune | okay thanks though |
| 00:22.26 | Bushmills | adduser creates home dir, populates it |
| 00:22.31 | Bushmills | useradd doesn't |
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| 00:22.33 | kitsune | oh |
| 00:22.35 | kitsune | gee |
| 00:22.46 | flamot | wait sorry, I have two r and two Fe ? and Fe for each point 1m and.4m and then those for the r too |
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| 00:22.52 | SmugusS | hi |
| 00:22.53 | gnarface | kitsune: useradd is just there for legacy compliance with posix or some shit |
| 00:22.54 | Vasistha | smacnay: you could try dpkg --reconfigure xorg |
| 00:22.57 | kitsune | would I have to do anything weird to make the ~ appear for /home/[username] |
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| 00:23.14 | Vasistha | kitsune: where? |
| 00:23.20 | flamot | ok.. it is high resolution detailed slow mothing footage of space shuttle launches with commentary from nasa.. IT IS AWESOMEE.. u r a jerk.. hi poopeater |
| 00:23.25 | SmugusS | i have a vps with debian, but when i try to use ssh from my comp to vps it doesnt connect, it appear to blocked me, why can i unblock my ip? |
| 00:23.32 | gnarface | kitsune: nope, mkdir /home/[username] && chown [username] /home/[username] |
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| 00:23.36 | kitsune | in the user@host:~/ |
| 00:23.38 | SmugusS | sorry, how can i nulock* |
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| 00:23.49 | abrotman | flamot: try some other channel for your offtopic nonsense |
| 00:24.32 | kitsune | thanks guys |
| 00:24.35 | kitsune | it worked ^_^ |
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| 00:25.50 | smacnay | Vasistha, doesn't work |
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| 00:26.07 | SmugusS | anyone can help me? |
| 00:26.47 | shervin_palang | I used â«âªmake bzImage && make modules && make modules_installâ¬â¬ to compile new kernel now what should I do after this commands ? |
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| 00:27.31 | cantido | shervin_palang: why are you building a kernel? |
| 00:28.24 | Bushmills | shervin_palang: look at make-kpkg - using that you can simply dpkg -i the generated package with your compiled kernel |
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| 00:28.46 | shervin_palang | cantido: touch pad of my new laptop have some problems and I understood in new kernel it will solved |
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| 00:29.33 | cantido | thought that stuff was mostly in userland now.. |
| 00:30.08 | Bushmills | shervin_palang: multi-touch? |
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| 00:31.08 | shervin_palang | Bushmills: no I can not use it in 2.6.32 cursor can not move good |
| 00:32.08 | Bushmills | ah. in my case, i can't get multitouch to work with 2.6.32, in contrast to 2.6.37 and 38 |
| 00:32.25 | anrxc | hi I noticed that sysklogd opens udp port 514 when -r was not used to start syslogd, but when syslog.conf is configured to send messages to a remote syslog server |
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| 00:32.46 | anrxc | does anyone know waht's the nature of that port, there's a redhat bug report from 2004 where the same thing was "fixed" |
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| 00:34.22 | shervin_palang | I have used : |
| 00:34.22 | shervin_palang | # â«3.6.2-âªmv arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuzâ¬â¬ |
| 00:34.22 | shervin_palang | #â«3.6.2-âª# mv System.map /boot/System.mapâ¬â¬ |
| 00:34.22 | shervin_palang | in 32bit Linux but I installed amd64, so what is the command like these commands for amd64 ? |
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| 00:34.27 | cantido | shervin_palang: try to find a backport .. building a kernel without understanding what its doing is going to result in a non-bootable system |
| 00:34.27 | Bushmills | anrxc: machines without suited storage for logging can do remote logging, to a log server. |
| 00:34.56 | Bushmills | not sure whether that's done to udp/514 by default, but could well be |
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| 00:35.05 | shervin_palang | Bushmills: ^ |
| 00:35.19 | SmugusS | i have a vps with debian, but when i try to use ssh from my comp to vps it doesnt connect, it appear to blocked me, how can i unblock my ip? |
| 00:35.19 | shervin_palang | I have used : |
| 00:35.20 | shervin_palang | # â«3.6.2-âªmv arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuzâ¬â¬ |
| 00:35.20 | shervin_palang | #â«3.6.2-âª# mv System.map /boot/System.mapâ¬â¬ |
| 00:35.20 | shervin_palang | in 32bit Linux but I installed amd64, so what is the command like these commands for amd64 ? |
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| 00:35.26 | abrotman | jesus .. moron |
| 00:35.36 | anrxc | Bushmills: thing is that clients that don't use -r (for listening) open the port... when you have a thousand servers with an open port that you weren't counting on, it's a concern |
| 00:35.50 | cantido | SmugusS: what have you used to do the blocking? |
| 00:36.02 | cantido | SmugusS: the base debian install doesnt have anything that would do that |
| 00:36.03 | SmugusS | cantido nothing :S i dont use any programs to block |
| 00:36.13 | SmugusS | then why is? maybe my comp blocks vps ? |
| 00:36.34 | cantido | SmugusS: you're providing might have denyhosts or fail2ban in their image |
| 00:36.47 | SmugusS | uhm how can i check if i have both? |
| 00:36.49 | cantido | SmugusS: any good provider(tm) will give you a console via the host machine |
| 00:36.56 | SmugusS | yea i have console |
| 00:37.18 | cantido | SmugusS: so.. check you auth log to see why you can login.. |
| 00:37.36 | cantido | s/you're/your/ |
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| 00:37.47 | SmugusS | ok thanks |
| 00:37.51 | SmugusS | im going to check |
| 00:38.26 | cantido | /var/log -- It has logs of stuff! |
| 00:39.55 | SmugusS | yea cantido thanks, if i restart ssh maybe can i use it ? |
| 00:40.12 | SmugusS | but is not only ssh, i have ircd server and cant connect too |
| 00:40.13 | cantido | SmugusS: what does it say in /var/log/auth.log when you try to login? |
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| 00:40.23 | cantido | SmugusS: ok, so you have bigger problems |
| 00:40.35 | SmugusS | >.< |
| 00:40.45 | SmugusS | sounds bad |
| 00:40.58 | cantido | don't say "I'm getting blocked on ssh" when you really mean "I cant connect to anything" |
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| 00:41.16 | SmugusS | sorry for my language im spanish, they dont answered all ppl afk |
| 00:41.20 | cantido | SmugusS: do you have tcpdump installed? |
| 00:41.20 | Bushmills | SmugusS: can you ping your server? |
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| 00:41.38 | cantido | <3 tcpdump |
| 00:41.43 | SmugusS | no cantido |
| 00:41.56 | cantido | SmugusS: can you ping it like Bushmills asked? |
| 00:42.03 | SmugusS | checking w8 sec |
| 00:42.15 | Bushmills | oh, he doesn't know :) |
| 00:42.20 | SmugusS | no, |
| 00:42.21 | cantido | also, can the VPS ping anything on the outside.. like google |
| 00:42.30 | SmugusS | i cant ping from my machine |
| 00:42.41 | SmugusS | yea from vps i can do ping |
| 00:42.45 | Bushmills | well, figure out why not |
| 00:43.01 | cantido | SmugusS: have you setup iptables rules? |
| 00:43.12 | SmugusS | i think no |
| 00:44.08 | cantido | I guess you either have some iptables rules that are broked on the vps or you have a firewall before your VPS that is filtering your traffic |
| 00:44.33 | SmugusS | um ok i see on iptables |
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| 00:45.41 | cantido | vps providers should do a test of basic sysadmin skills or something before they charge your paypal :p |
| 00:46.09 | SmugusS | thanks 4 help |
| 00:46.22 | cantido | SmugusS: you had iptables rules? |
| 00:46.29 | SmugusS | yes |
| 00:47.36 | cantido | my suggestion would be not to play with iptables directly but use something like firehol to do the work for you |
| 00:47.36 | SmugusS | i used iptables -A INPUT -s my.ip -j ACCEPT |
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| 00:49.00 | Rodensky | hello. i installed debian netinst on my netbook. how do i install a gui? |
| 00:49.23 | Bushmills | Rodensky: install xorg and a window manager of your choice |
| 00:49.26 | cantido | Rodensky: which one do you want? |
| 00:49.43 | Rodensky | gnome 2 |
| 00:50.10 | Bushmills | what keeps you from installing it? |
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| 00:50.20 | Rodensky | i don't know how :] |
| 00:50.28 | Bushmills | !aptitude |
| 00:50.28 | dpkg | methinks aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude docs> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
| 00:50.34 | cantido | Rodensky: xorg-core, gdm and gnome-core should be all you need |
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| 00:51.29 | Rodensky | ok but what is cmd that i need to write (or where can i find it)? |
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| 00:52.08 | Bushmills | !sources |
| 00:52.08 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
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| 00:53.06 | Rodensky | it's like chinese to me :\ |
| 00:53.32 | Bushmills | well, but that's what it is |
| 00:53.38 | cantido | Rodensky: aptitude install <name of package> |
| 00:53.48 | Rodensky | cantido, thank you!! |
| 00:54.28 | cantido | thought the debian tools were pretty easy to use/understand |
| 00:56.06 | Rodensky | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:57.46 | Bushmills | what does file /usr/bin/aptitude-curses show? |
| 00:59.01 | Rodensky | -bash: file: command not found |
| 00:59.20 | Rodensky | without "file" |
| 00:59.27 | Rodensky | i got a blue menu |
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| 01:00.21 | Bushmills | seems there is more to fix than just installing a GUI on your system. how did the system get on your hard disk? |
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| 01:01.01 | Rodensky | netinst from a dok |
| 01:01.45 | ymasory | can gnome keyboard options be changed on the command line? |
| 01:01.56 | Rodensky | packages installed: 157, not installed: 55, virtual packages: 61, tasks: 8 |
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| 01:04.39 | Bushmills | what does grep main /etc/apt/sources.list show? |
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| 01:09.58 | Rodensky | http://paste.ubuntu.com/583126/ |
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| 01:12.25 | Bushmills | squeez? |
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| 01:12.48 | Rodensky | i downloaded the image from debian's site |
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| 01:15.40 | zen_monkey | hi, i'm attempting to set my debian box as a gateway with lan (internal) and a 3G modem for internet |
| 01:16.10 | zen_monkey | i've adapted the first script in here http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 to suite my needs |
| 01:16.29 | zen_monkey | replacing eth1 with ppp0 (iface for the modem) |
| 01:17.11 | dvs | Rodensky: So you're finished with the install part? |
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| 01:17.24 | Rodensky | sort of... |
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| 01:17.40 | sir_luke | hello, can someone help me with packaging php |
| 01:17.46 | abrotman | packaging? |
| 01:17.50 | dvs | Rodensky: You've entered the password for root and created a new user? |
| 01:17.58 | Rodensky | yes |
| 01:18.03 | Rodensky | i don't need the dok anymore |
| 01:18.03 | sir_luke | yeah need to make a custom deb with a custom modules list and prefix |
| 01:18.10 | sir_luke | abrotman, any ideas? |
| 01:18.17 | dvs | Rodensky: ah. And you have a wired network connection? |
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| 01:18.23 | Rodensky | yes |
| 01:18.28 | zen_monkey | can someone take a look at the script and tell if i'm not reinventing the square wheel? |
| 01:18.29 | cantido | sir_luke: custom modules list? |
| 01:18.47 | dvs | Rodensky: Ok, so you need to get a repo over the internet. |
| 01:19.08 | cantido | zen_monkey: if you just want a nat gateway install ipmasq and configure the interfaces |
| 01:19.08 | sir_luke | there is a zend module that our developer wrote |
| 01:19.18 | Rodensky | dvs, how do i do that? |
| 01:19.22 | sir_luke | and then i want to install php in the path that we can control |
| 01:19.28 | dvs | Rodensky: Comment out line 2 and add this line to that file: |
| 01:19.29 | cantido | sir_luke: and you can't compile that in the normal php way? |
| 01:19.31 | sir_luke | i suspect it will be in the debian/rules file |
| 01:19.50 | dvs | Rodensky: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 01:19.55 | sir_luke | cantido, i can but i dont want to compile it on each maching i want it to install, i can to make one using pbuilder and then distribute the deb |
| 01:20.11 | cantido | sir_luke: so.. make a deb for that module |
| 01:20.28 | zen_monkey | cantido, how permanent would that be? i want to run it by hand because the modem is not always connected to the pc |
| 01:20.56 | cantido | zen_monkey: mm, you can use start/stop.. just stop it from starting on boot |
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| 01:21.06 | Rodensky | i'm a total n00b, i don't know how to do that. till now i installed only full ubuntu installations and never actually worked with cli |
| 01:21.25 | sir_luke | cantido, so you usually would run ./configure --prefix=/opt/vs etc and then do a make;make install |
| 01:21.27 | dvs | oh nooooo |
| 01:21.34 | sir_luke | when i do that using pbulider where do i do the make? |
| 01:21.39 | sir_luke | i mean where do i do the configure |
| 01:21.52 | cantido | sir_luke: php modules use that phpize thing don't they? |
| 01:21.55 | dvs | Rodensky: Are you root right now? |
| 01:22.13 | sir_luke | thats' prob later but this one is to build php in the first place |
| 01:22.15 | Rodensky | i guess i do.. |
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| 01:22.28 | cantido | sir_luke: get the source for the package.. |
| 01:23.00 | cantido | I'm not sure why you would need to change the debian build of php though.. you should be able to build your module against it |
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| 01:23.24 | sir_luke | ok cantido this is for an older version of php and i don't hvae it on the maverick build |
| 01:23.38 | sir_luke | and also the reason why i want to modify the debian package is tha ti want to control the path it gets installed in |
| 01:23.41 | cantido | maverick? ubuntu code name? |
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| 01:24.02 | sir_luke | yes but its still using a debian system |
| 01:24.15 | sir_luke | wonders if he is about to get kicked out for asking an ubuntu related question |
| 01:24.24 | dvs | Rodensky: echo "deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free" > /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:24.35 | zen_monkey | cantido, but, just before trying ipmasq, can you tell if that could work? |
| 01:24.44 | Bushmills | sir_luke: more popular is to give self-destruction commands to those who ask |
| 01:25.21 | sir_luke | Bushmills, in this case i just want to know how to bulid a package from source |
| 01:25.24 | sir_luke | build* |
| 01:25.30 | cantido | sir_luke: you could need to change the call to configure and the parts of the package config that collect up the resulting files (I forgot what they are) |
| 01:25.42 | Rodensky | dvs, i'm suppose to copy all that to the cmd line? |
| 01:25.51 | dvs | Rodensky: yes |
| 01:25.59 | Rodensky | ok, a sec |
| 01:26.18 | zen_monkey | cantido, for example... i've seen this used to fw from one eth to another, but does it work from eth to a modem? |
| 01:26.47 | cantido | zen_monkey: it doesnt care what the two interfaces are as long as it can push IP over them |
| 01:26.52 | sir_luke | cantido, faire point just saw the rules file in the source that i change and re-build |
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| 01:27.07 | sir_luke | but what if i want to do a custom ./configure before i build php |
| 01:27.19 | sir_luke | the rules in the sources package is far too compilcated |
| 01:27.26 | zen_monkey | cantido, good to know that |
| 01:27.28 | cantido | zen_monkey: I'm not sure it supports hotplug etc, so you would want to stop it before pulling the 3g modem.. theres no reason why you could write some rules to start/stop it on plug/unplug |
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| 01:27.59 | cantido | sir_luke: in debian/rules you should be able to find the spot where it calls ./configure |
| 01:28.26 | cantido | I haven't built a package for ages.. but its not that hard |
| 01:28.34 | Rodensky | dvs, permission denied. how do i get permission? |
| 01:28.42 | dvs | Rodensky: you're not root |
| 01:29.02 | dvs | Rodensky: you need to log in as root |
| 01:29.03 | Rodensky | how to i do become root? |
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| 01:29.33 | Rodensky | ok i looged out |
| 01:29.35 | cantido | sir_luke: the debian/rules script should be "doing a custom ./configure" anyways to stop files getting installed directly into the build system |
| 01:29.36 | zen_monkey | cantido, afaik it sets up firewall rules, i haven't thougt on "stoping" that appart from flushing rules with another script |
| 01:29.38 | sir_luke | cantido, ok let me explain myself, i essentially want to eb able to control how i run configure on php before i build it |
| 01:29.39 | Rodensky | and logged in as root |
| 01:29.52 | dvs | Rodensky: Then enter the line again. |
| 01:30.07 | cantido | zen_monkey: yep, thats all it does.. start injects the rules/loads the modules and stop pulls them back out |
| 01:30.44 | cantido | zen_monkey: I'm not sure if iptables will drop all the rules when you unplug the interface.. but as far as the init script is concerned it will still be "running" |
| 01:30.51 | geegeegee | http://images.4chan.org/g/src/1300670589163.jpg |
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| 01:31.11 | Rodensky | dvs, i entered the line and i guess it went well |
| 01:31.15 | sir_luke | debian has neatly laid out policy for php http://wiki.debian.org/PHP |
| 01:31.17 | cantido | sir_luke: yeah, that will be in the rules file which is used to build the package.. |
| 01:31.33 | dvs | Rodensky: Then do "aptitude update" |
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| 01:32.09 | Rodensky | dvs, done |
| 01:32.11 | cantido | I wonder why he/she did an hit and run for that picture.. its not funny or offensive |
| 01:32.25 | dvs | Rodensky: I guess you want Gnome, right? |
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| 01:32.30 | Rodensky | yes |
| 01:32.39 | dvs | Rodensky: aptitude install gnome |
| 01:33.01 | Rodensky | i don't need xorg or something like that? |
| 01:33.06 | dvs | Rodensky: no |
| 01:33.10 | PadawanLearner | i have an issue here with d-i, maybe someone can give me a hint |
| 01:33.14 | zen_monkey | cantido, http://pastebin.com/stPvrBbv this is the exact thing i'm using |
| 01:33.22 | dvs | Rodensky: It will get "sucked in" |
| 01:33.46 | Rodensky | couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "gnome" |
| 01:33.53 | zen_monkey | for stoping it i've considered the "delete all existing rules" and poff on some other script |
| 01:33.56 | cantido | zen_monkey: that would apparently do the same thing.. ipmasq is in debian though |
| 01:34.01 | Delf | How do I set access rights to a usre's file before a file has been created? |
| 01:34.09 | dvs | Rodensky: apt-cache policy gnome |
| 01:34.11 | Delf | The default access rights..? |
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| 01:34.43 | PadawanLearner | mirror/protocol=http mirror/suite=squeeze mirror/http/hostname=192.168.10.1:3142 mirror/directory=/debian priority=low vga=normal video=lxfb:800x600-32@60 initrd=debian-installer/i386/initrd.gz -- BOOT_IMAGE=debian-installer/i386/linux |
| 01:34.46 | Rodensky | dvs, N: Unable to locate package gnome |
| 01:34.48 | zen_monkey | cantido, am starting learning and found this as a good practice ;) |
| 01:34.53 | PadawanLearner | shouldn't this be passing the mirror options? |
| 01:34.57 | PadawanLearner | to d-i? |
| 01:35.01 | dvs | Rodensky: What did "aptitude update" say? |
| 01:35.19 | Rodensky | aptitude update went fine |
| 01:35.31 | dvs | Rodensky: What did it print out? |
| 01:35.53 | dvs | roughly |
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| 01:37.05 | cantido | zen_monkey: you can setup nat with firehol etc too.. I personally find iptables too much hassle |
| 01:37.33 | Rodensky | before it was fine, like it is on ubuntu when everything goes like it should, but now i tried again and i got Err http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ squeez/* Could not resolve 'ftp.ca.debian.org' |
| 01:38.07 | PadawanLearner | try http.ca.debian.org |
| 01:38.38 | Bushmills | (02:12:24) Bushmills: squeez? |
| 01:38.47 | dvs | Rodensky: What does "route -n" say? |
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| 01:39.17 | Rodensky | Kernel IP routing table |
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| 01:39.38 | dvs | Rodensky: Does it look right? Can you ping your gateway? |
| 01:39.43 | Rodensky | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 01:39.54 | Rodensky | that's it |
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| 01:40.05 | dvs | Rodensky: You're network is not set up. |
| 01:40.22 | Rodensky | i set it up during the installation |
| 01:40.39 | dvs | Rodensky: What's in your /etc/network/interfaces say? |
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| 01:41.14 | Rodensky | permission denied |
| 01:41.19 | Rodensky | and i'm on root right now |
| 01:41.38 | dvs | Rodensky: cat /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:41.39 | Rodensky | root@rgdebnet:~# |
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| 01:42.14 | Rodensky | auto lo |
| 01:42.21 | Rodensky | iface lo inet loopback |
| 01:42.45 | dvs | Rodensky: That's it? |
| 01:42.49 | Rodensky | yes |
| 01:42.53 | Delf | How do I set advanced permissions? |
| 01:43.13 | Delf | read file, delete own created file but not delete others files? |
| 01:43.15 | dvs | Rodensky: Do you use dhcp ? |
| 01:43.27 | Rodensky | i don't even know what is it :| |
| 01:43.32 | PadawanLearner | Delf: as in acl? |
| 01:43.48 | Delf | PadawanLearner: acl? I don't know what that is. |
| 01:44.09 | PadawanLearner | what is your problem exactly? |
| 01:44.18 | dvs | Rodensky: echo "auto eth0" >> /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:44.51 | Delf | PadawanLearner: I want to set up permissions. If I were to create a file. How do I make it so that by default a certain group can read it and even delete it? |
| 01:44.52 | Rodensky | done |
| 01:44.54 | dvs | Rodensky: echo "iface eth0 inet dhcp" >> /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:45.03 | PadawanLearner | Delf: umask |
| 01:45.32 | Rodensky | done |
| 01:45.43 | dvs | Rodensky: aptitude update |
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| 01:46.03 | Rodensky | could not resolve again.. |
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| 01:46.16 | Delf | !tell me about umask |
| 01:46.22 | PadawanLearner | Delf: acl's also can help |
| 01:46.27 | dvs | Rodensky: I don't know how your network is setup so I can help you configure it. |
| 01:46.38 | dvs | *cannot |
| 01:46.41 | PadawanLearner | is it for every user |
| 01:46.59 | PadawanLearner | or just for a specific case? |
| 01:47.05 | Delf | PadawanLearner: No, only for specific GROUP. |
| 01:47.29 | PadawanLearner | cam you elaborate a bit |
| 01:47.34 | Rodensky | dvs, is there an installation image of debian that comes ready to use out of the box like ubuntu does? |
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| 01:48.01 | PadawanLearner | Rodensky: debian live if you mean a livecd |
| 01:48.01 | dvs | !ig |
| 01:48.01 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
| 01:48.13 | Delf | PadawanLearner: If I create a file. And I want a list of users that belong to group "Freaks" to be able to read and delete my files. |
| 01:48.25 | Qation | Is there a way I can remove packages like iceweasel in gnome without removing gnome itself? |
| 01:48.38 | PadawanLearner | Delf: and are freaks server admins also? |
| 01:49.00 | Dewi | Qation: as long as gnome didn't install automatically as a dependency of them, yes |
| 01:49.12 | Delf | PadawanLearner: No, their not. |
| 01:49.28 | PadawanLearner | Delf: so you're just talking about /home, correct? |
| 01:49.36 | Qation | well if I try using apt-get or synaptics it tells me gnome-desktop will be uninstalled also |
| 01:49.46 | speakerset | Lets say I want to uninstall evolution and empathy from a standard desktop install. How can I do that so my entire desktop environment is also not removed. When I tried to remove one basically everything of my DE was also listed to be deleted if I did autoremove. |
| 01:50.10 | Delf | PadawanLearner: It's a custom folder. |
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| 01:50.12 | Qation | Haha thats exactally what i came here for |
| 01:50.22 | t4a | Is there a pdf extension for iceweasel? |
| 01:50.29 | Rodensky | which one do i choose from here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ |
| 01:50.41 | Rodensky | 6.0.0 live or current-live? |
| 01:50.53 | dvs | Rodensky: They are the same. |
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| 01:51.08 | Qation | Does anyone here use an acer netbook? |
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| 01:51.17 | Dewi | speakerset / Qation : oh I see, you're talking about apps that are "core". You could try installing a "smaller" desktop environment metapackage |
| 01:51.19 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 01:51.20 | Dewi | !install gnome |
| 01:51.21 | dpkg | To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, 'gnome-desktop-environment' for GNOME as defined by upstream, 'gnome-core' for a bit less and 'gnome-session' for the basic components actually needed to run a GNOME session. You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 01:51.25 | t4a | Is there a pdf extension for iceweasel? |
| 01:51.34 | Qation | Dewi: What do you mean? |
| 01:51.37 | man_in_shack | is there a mkfs.btrfs in debian anywhere? |
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| 01:51.41 | man_in_shack | t4a, mozplugger? |
| 01:51.43 | PadawanLearner | Delf: what is your users main group? |
| 01:51.54 | Qation | You mean a different Desktop enviorment? |
| 01:51.59 | PadawanLearner | if it is 'users' |
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| 01:52.09 | Dewi | Qation: well iceweasel is a part of gnome-desktop |
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| 01:52.23 | speakerset | Dewi: I am happy with the setup now, I just want to get rid of those apps |
| 01:52.25 | PadawanLearner | or the username? |
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| 01:52.37 | Qation | So theres no way I can uninstall it without remove gnome? |
| 01:52.41 | t4a | man_in_shack, is that a mozilla plugin emulator |
| 01:53.11 | Dewi | Qation: well you'll have to identify all the parts you want to keep, starting from a smaller gnome like 'gnome-core' or something |
| 01:53.23 | man_in_shack | t4a, apt-cache show mozplugger |
| 01:53.35 | Dewi | Qation: and set them to manually instead of automatically installed |
| 01:53.39 | Delf | PadawanLearner: I'm not sure |
| 01:53.39 | Dewi | same goes for speakerset |
| 01:53.50 | Qation | Is gnome core just like the panel wm and file manager? |
| 01:54.02 | PadawanLearner | Delf: in that case i would go to acl's |
| 01:54.15 | PadawanLearner | !tell acl |
| 01:54.33 | Dewi | Qation: um the smallest ones are, I think gnome-core has a bit more than that |
| 01:54.44 | t4a | man_in_shack, oh, that's neat |
| 01:55.01 | Dewi | Qation: but if you install a smaller one like that it'll keep "most" of gnome in place |
| 01:55.08 | gnarface | does anyone know how (using squeeze) i can set a modest console resolution of 800x600 but still use the old nvidia 96.xx.xx series binary drivers so that x worsk with glx accel on this old card of mine? |
| 01:55.12 | Rodensky | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1/i386/bt-dvd/ |
| 01:55.16 | Dewi | Qation: the rest of the components you want to keep you'll need to set as manual instead of automatic |
| 01:55.20 | Rodensky | i don't get it - which one i'm suppose to download? |
| 01:55.24 | Qation | Can I just keep everything exept all the automatically installed programs? |
| 01:55.31 | Qation | like just the de |
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| 01:55.45 | Qation | no other programs like evolution or empathy |
| 01:55.50 | Dewi | Qation: please read this factoid |
| 01:55.54 | Dewi | !tell Qation about gnome install |
| 01:56.07 | Dewi | Qation: there are many different "levels" of gnome install |
| 01:56.23 | Dewi | Qation: you probably want the biggest that does not include iceweasel |
| 01:56.42 | Delf | !tell me about acl |
| 01:56.43 | Qation | Well it would be good if no other packages were installed |
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| 01:57.01 | Qation | So I can just install whatever I want |
| 01:57.17 | Qation | I didn't get a query from the bot though |
| 01:59.09 | Dewi | Qation: ah sorry, I typed it wrong, heh |
| 01:59.11 | Delf | Thanks PadawanLearner |
| 01:59.13 | Dewi | !tell Qation about install gnome |
| 01:59.24 | Qation | oh okay i got it |
| 01:59.40 | Dewi | !tell speakerset about install kde |
| 01:59.57 | speakerset | Dewi: to windows like for me |
| 02:00.10 | t4a | man_ |
| 02:00.13 | Dewi | speakerset: sorry for some reason I thought you were running kde |
| 02:00.17 | Dewi | !tell speakerset about install gnome |
| 02:00.25 | speakerset | thanks |
| 02:00.33 | Dewi | speakerset: basically install a smaller level, try to find one without evo |
| 02:00.41 | Dewi | speakerset: and then manually install other stuff |
| 02:00.56 | Qation | Alright so I'll install gnome-core instead |
| 02:01.17 | speakerset | Dewi: But will it be as nicely setup? I know on Ubuntu if you let the system install gnome it is really polished. Install the base gnome and it sucks. |
| 02:01.30 | Dewi | you might have to try a few times you find the right combination |
| 02:02.16 | PadawanLearner | Delf: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/acl.htm |
| 02:02.17 | Qation | will removing the gnome-desktop-environment remove all the stuff that came with gnome to begin with? |
| 02:02.20 | PadawanLearner | there you go |
| 02:02.23 | Dewi | speakerset: they are just metapackages so they shouldn't change how it works, just how big the dependency tree |
| 02:02.59 | t4a | what is the mozplugger directory on debian |
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| 02:03.15 | Dewi | don't remove gnome-desktop-environment until you've added a smaller one that doesn't include the thing you want to remove. You probably want to use a packaging tool that lets you select and deselect a few things before applying. |
| 02:03.17 | speakerset | Dewi: thanks. |
| 02:04.07 | Dewi | so I guess... add the smaller gnome, remove the full one, you'll now have a list of things scheduled for removal. Go through and set them to manually installed, except for FF/evolution |
| 02:04.31 | Dewi | that way nothing should change about the config |
| 02:05.00 | Dewi | those big packages are just metapackages, ie, big dependency chains, they don't affect *how* the various packages work |
| 02:05.10 | t4a | what is the mozplugger directory on debian |
| 02:07.55 | Dewi | t4a: mozplugger is "a Mozilla plugin which can show many types of multimedia inside your Mozilla" |
| 02:08.01 | Dewi | t4a: not sure what you mean by directory |
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| 02:08.30 | t4a | sorry |
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| 02:08.41 | t4a | i meant the directory for the config files and such |
| 02:08.49 | t4a | im trying to get pdfs in iceweasol |
| 02:08.53 | t4a | *iceweasel |
| 02:09.14 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is there a way in KDE 4.4.5 to set a custom icon and name to an attached USB hard drive? |
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| 02:10.21 | Dewi | t4a: well plugins should be installed via the package manager, and extensions are installed in your local user's FF config |
| 02:11.11 | Dewi | t4a: unfortunately I don't know of any embedded PDF plugins aside from adobe reader |
| 02:11.24 | Dewi | !pdf |
| 02:11.24 | dpkg | [pdf] Portable Document Format is a file format for document exchange, designed by Adobe as a replacement for <PostScript>. Free software to view PDFs include <xpdf>, <kpdf>, <okular>, <evince> (all poppler based) and gv, kghostview (ghostscript-based, much slower!). Adobe Reader (acroread) is available from debian-multimedia in non-free; ask me about <dmm>. See also <edit pdf> <pdf writer>. http://wiki.debian.org/PDF |
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| 02:11.29 | t4a | i thought i read that xpdf worked |
| 02:12.07 | t4a | i got xpdf, but i don't know how to make mozplugger open it in iceweasel |
| 02:12.42 | t4a | according to this thread xpdf works with mozplugger http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?30,172621 |
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| 02:15.17 | Dewi | t4a: yeah, you could try the advice in there for editing mozpluggerrc |
| 02:16.01 | Dewi | t4a: or install mozilla-acroread, which is the adobe one, which admittedly makes me a little queasy |
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| 02:16.28 | t4a | is there an easy way to edit the config file |
| 02:17.02 | Dewi | t4a: if you have mozplugger installed there will be a system-wide config in /etc/mozpluggerrc |
| 02:17.08 | t4a | i cant even find it |
| 02:17.12 | t4a | oh |
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| 02:17.50 | Dewi | t4a: but also it's meant to have a local config for your user, in $HOME/.mozilla/ or something |
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| 02:18.20 | Dewi | t4a: somebody on that thread said it would be in $HOME/.mozplugger/ tho |
| 02:18.43 | t4a | i have it installed but that directory doesn't exist |
| 02:19.14 | Dewi | t4a: installing it wouldn't make the user one exist, most likely only the system one |
| 02:19.27 | Dewi | t4a: does the one in /etc exist? |
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| 02:20.09 | t4a | what is it called, mozplugger? |
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| 02:20.30 | Dewi | t4a: the system one is /etc/mozpluggerrc |
| 02:20.36 | Dewi | t4a: http://mozplugger.mozdev.org/documentation.html |
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| 02:21.02 | t4a | its not there |
| 02:21.06 | Dewi | t4a: man mozplugger should have info specific to your system in case it's somehow different to upstream |
| 02:21.39 | Dewi | t4a: the mozplugger package definitely contains /etc/mozpluggerrc |
| 02:21.46 | Dewi | t4a: see - http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/amd64/mozplugger/filelist |
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| 02:22.03 | t4a | i aptitude installed mozplugger |
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| 02:25.25 | t4a | i don't have any of those files |
| 02:25.40 | t4a | is there any way to do this without mozplugger |
| 02:25.58 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is it possible to see the list of updated packages on the Update DVD that was just released, and the things that were fixed in them? |
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| 02:45.11 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 02:45.20 | man_in_shack | is anyone else having trouble with ftp.au.debian.org mirror? |
| 02:46.34 | abrotman | man_in_shack: try another mirror? |
| 02:46.43 | man_in_shack | us. works |
| 02:46.55 | man_in_shack | but i want to know if au. is just me or not |
| 02:46.55 | abrotman | and define "trouble" ? |
| 02:47.47 | man_in_shack | http://dpaste.com/522835/ << this happens but no packages end up in the lists |
| 02:47.59 | man_in_shack | aptitude shows nothing but "obsolete and locally created packages" |
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| 02:49.36 | abrotman | 7MB package file? seems normal |
| 02:49.59 | man_in_shack | yes |
| 02:50.09 | man_in_shack | the filesize from other mirrors appears to be identical |
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| 02:56.26 | man_in_shack | ok, i've switched to ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian |
| 02:56.41 | man_in_shack | hopefully i won't have problems now |
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| 03:02.57 | gnarface | how do i enable usb+gameport joysticks in squeeze? |
| 03:03.10 | man_in_shack | usb + gameport? |
| 03:03.24 | gnarface | i have both and they used to work in etch as well as lenny and sid |
| 03:03.42 | gnarface | (3 usb gamepads, one gameport joystick) |
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| 03:04.38 | gnarface | nothing is showing up in dmesg that i can see on hotplug of the usb devices and lsusb returns nothing so i'm assuming its just a module i need to manually load? |
| 03:10.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i already asked in the lvm channel but they never responded.. |
| 03:10.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am trying to extend my lv.. |
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| 03:11.08 | un214 | I only know the brute force way |
| 03:11.24 | un214 | requires temp space on another drive = space used |
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| 03:11.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | i know there are suppose to be e2fsck -f /dev/FS somewhere in the middle of the command.. I am already cheking it right now to make sure its cool in the first place.. |
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| 03:12.16 | kurtis_ | Hey guys, I'm installing Debian with the "Expert Installer". When it came to picking packages, I had very simplified options. So I just chose "Desktop Environment" and "SSH Server". Unfortunately this is an old computer and I wanted to install minimal X environment w/ OpenBox. It's installing a ton of useless stuff like Gimp, Openoffice, etc... Is there any easy way to erase all of that without going through one by one? |
| 03:12.49 | un214 | apt-get remove X11 |
| 03:12.57 | dvs | kurtis_: "Desktop Environment" is gnome. |
| 03:12.58 | un214 | followed by reinstall the minimal desktop junk |
| 03:13.03 | dvs | and all of Gnome |
| 03:13.17 | kurtis_ | un214: Do you think that will remove everything unneeded based off of dependencies alone? |
| 03:13.23 | gnarface | kurtis_: next time just start with "base system" and manually install only what you need |
| 03:13.25 | un214 | yes |
| 03:13.29 | twinkie_addict | i install cli only now |
| 03:13.42 | un214 | it leaves behind only the gnome accessability theme because that has no depends |
| 03:13.46 | un214 | everything else is gone |
| 03:13.49 | kurtis_ | cool I'll give that a try when this thing is done chugging away. Thanks :) |
| 03:14.06 | un214 | incidentally I depend on gnome-accessability having no depends |
| 03:14.10 | kurtis_ | I wish there was a way to interrupt the installer, but it took like 15 minutes just to partition the drive |
| 03:14.23 | twinkie_addict | just the last two check boxes and thats it one top of the base install |
| 03:14.29 | dvs | kurtis_: I'd just reboot the computer. |
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| 03:14.45 | kurtis_ | dvs: I would but it will take forever to go through this process again |
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| 03:15.08 | kurtis_ | I'm thinking this hard drive is slow as dirt, it's only a 6gb HD ... I don't know how I haven't ran out of space yet |
| 03:15.08 | dvs | kurtis_: You won't have to repartition the computer, just specify which partition is for what. |
| 03:15.21 | dvs | that's tight |
| 03:15.23 | un214 | he'll have to wipe them though |
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| 03:15.30 | kurtis_ | un214: exactly |
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| 03:15.57 | un214 | it might be faster than removing packages or it might not |
| 03:16.00 | Qation | Does anyone know where .ttf fonts are stored? |
| 03:16.02 | un214 | hard to say |
| 03:16.22 | kurtis_ | good point. the only benefit to removing packages later is that I can do that from inside on my other machine instead of sitting out here in the garage |
| 03:16.35 | dvs | ??? |
| 03:16.57 | Qation | Is it in /usr/share/fonts/truetype? |
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| 03:17.59 | kurtis_ | By any chance, do you guys know if Abiword is compatible w/ MS Word format? This box is for my little cousin and he's goona use it for basic stuff |
| 03:18.14 | kurtis_ | Or any other non-bloated word processor that is compatible with that Word file format |
| 03:18.37 | twinkie_addict | abiword is yyes |
| 03:18.44 | kurtis_ | sweet, thanks twinkie_addict |
| 03:19.36 | kurtis_ | omg i think i'm just going to start this over with the minimal install. I think I saw an option to run the install over SSH |
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| 03:19.52 | kurtis_ | Thanks guys for everything! |
| 03:20.41 | twinkie_addict | i learning to hate the x and gui enverments |
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| 03:21.06 | dvs | !start a gui war |
| 03:21.13 | twinkie_addict | cli suits me fine |
| 03:21.22 | kurtis_ | haha I'm (re)learning to enjoy emacs and CLI environments :) |
| 03:21.46 | twinkie_addict | emacs ftw |
| 03:22.19 | twinkie_addict | but i use nano for simple things |
| 03:22.25 | baton | micro emacs |
| 03:22.27 | baton | mg |
| 03:22.35 | kurtis_ | I think the best compromise would be a dual screen setup, CLI on one and graphics on the other. But instead of controlling the system w/ a normal GUI, just use it for displaying graphical apps |
| 03:22.39 | gnarface | seriously nobody uses joysticks or gamepads for anything anymore? i don't even have a /dev/input/js0 and i can't figure out why :( |
| 03:22.53 | baton | i have a joystick and gamepad |
| 03:22.56 | baton | hmmm |
| 03:23.09 | baton | does anyone know of any okay FOSS fighting game in the likeness of mortal combat |
| 03:23.14 | baton | it could just be kicks, punches, and blocks |
| 03:23.24 | baton | like robot sock-em |
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| 03:23.27 | baton | but for two players on one machine |
| 03:23.30 | baton | arcade style |
| 03:23.48 | kurtis_ | uh oh I think I killed this hard drive |
| 03:24.41 | ZykoticK9 | gnarface, if you don't have /dev/input/js0 then the kernel doesn't support your joystick. Both my PS2 & N64 controllers/adapters work on Squeeze. |
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| 03:25.02 | twinkie_addict | brb |
| 03:25.09 | kurtis_ | Maybe it's that old school gamepad input you'd find on the sound cards |
| 03:25.28 | baton | http://happypenguin.org/show?OpenMortal |
| 03:25.37 | baton | http://happypenguin.org/show?Kombatant |
| 03:25.39 | gnarface | ZykoticK9: it used to work though.... |
| 03:25.56 | ZykoticK9 | gnarface, ? dunno man. best of luck. |
| 03:26.26 | gnarface | should lsusb be returning *nothing* at all? |
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| 03:27.05 | kurtis_ | gnarface: Mine returns a bunch of root hubs and what not |
| 03:27.12 | kurtis_ | Maybe you need to reload the module |
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| 03:27.57 | kurtis_ | If a hard drive is making a lot of intermitten "chugging" noises, does that mean it's going to die? |
| 03:28.52 | rigved | kurtis_: there are tools available to test the health of a hard drive |
| 03:30.43 | kurtis_ | rigved: True. I just assumed that would be an obvious near-death sign. That and the fact it's running at a snail's pace (800+mhz P3) |
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| 03:32.07 | rigved | kurtis_: if it has suddenly started making too much noise, then there's something wrong with the motor, probably...still check using the tools |
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| 03:40.26 | gnarface | snorts |
| 03:40.40 | gnarface | kurtis_: turns out i had it disabled in the bios. *sigh* |
| 03:41.15 | gnarface | that doesn't explain the lack of the gameport joystick though... the gameport module is even loading automaticallyl |
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| 03:43.47 | kurtis_ | Yeah, that's wierd |
| 03:45.41 | kurtis_ | If I'm in Debian "Expert Mode" and using the secondary terminal, can I mount my hard drive (probably fat32) with what's available before installing debian? |
| 03:45.46 | simonrvn | 'weird' |
| 03:46.05 | kurtis_ | haha sorry I have horrible spelling w/o spell check |
| 03:47.43 | kurtis_ | Or better yet, is there a good but light LiveCD? I don't really care if it has a GUI or not, I just need to back things up before I wipe this drive |
| 03:48.12 | un214 | I use debian cd1 |
| 03:48.23 | kurtis_ | un214: I have it in ... how can I boot from it? |
| 03:48.36 | gnarface | kurtis_: i belive you can mount it from the secondary terminal as long as you mount it from somewhere in /tmp (you'll have to make a new dir) |
| 03:48.37 | un214 | if the bios supports it |
| 03:48.37 | peterrooney | kurtis_: yes, you can. not immediately, but well before permanent changes to the hard drive are made, ie. when making partitioning decisions |
| 03:48.45 | un214 | it's like any other bootable cd |
| 03:49.09 | kurtis_ | ok cool. I tried to mount to /mnt but i didn't work, let me try the /tmp |
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| 03:50.39 | kurtis_ | :( I get "mount: mounting /tmp/old on /dev/sda failed: No such device". I also tried the same for sda1. They're both present in my /dev listing. I don't get it |
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| 03:51.25 | un214 | static /dev? |
| 03:51.41 | un214 | no wait not on the cd |
| 03:51.48 | un214 | bad |
| 03:52.12 | un214 | try fdisk -l |
| 03:52.19 | un214 | see what's actually mountable |
| 03:52.25 | kurtis_ | fdisk: not found |
| 03:52.58 | kurtis_ | Did it make a difference that I went into Expert Install instead of the normal installation? |
| 03:53.13 | kurtis_ | and then Ctrl+F2'd over |
| 03:54.02 | gnarface | kurtis_: you might not have the right modules and stuff loaded |
| 03:54.19 | kurtis_ | gnarface: That's what I'm thinking. It's a very very minimal load at this point |
| 03:54.22 | gnarface | kurtis_: walk through the install up to the "detect and mount harddrives" part |
| 03:54.34 | kurtis_ | k |
| 03:54.41 | gnarface | then instead of going into partitioner, alt-f2 at that point |
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| 03:55.02 | kurtis_ | Man this is so much faster with another hard drive. I'm glad I stopped it |
| 03:55.04 | gnarface | you should be able to lsmod to see that the msdos or vfat modules are loaded - if not you should be able to modprobe (insmod?) them |
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| 03:55.45 | kurtis_ | Do you guys think I need the "lowmem: free memory for lowmem install" option since I have 192MB RAM? |
| 03:55.59 | kurtis_ | It's an Installer Component |
| 03:56.56 | gnarface | kurtis_: i have never tried it but as long as you have a swap partition i doubt you "need" it |
| 03:57.11 | kurtis_ | And also, there's an option for "openssh-client-udeb" ... would that also give me SSHD? |
| 03:57.22 | kurtis_ | gnarface: That's what I was thinking too. Good point |
| 03:58.06 | un214 | just the client but you can reverse jump |
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| 03:58.44 | kurtis_ | cool |
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| 04:00.11 | kurtis_ | okay I've got fdisk -l working now, I can see sda1 which is a fat32 partition, I'm going to try to mount it |
| 04:00.59 | kurtis_ | Hmm, I'm still getting no such device |
| 04:01.35 | un214 | need vfat module |
| 04:01.37 | kurtis_ | Maybe my command usage is incorrect? I've tired several variations but the most recent was "mount -t vfat32 /dev/sda1 /tmp/old" |
| 04:01.48 | un214 | that is correct |
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| 04:01.59 | un214 | ls -l /dev/sda1 shows it right? |
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| 04:02.10 | kurtis_ | Yep |
| 04:02.23 | deconvolution | hello, I am not clear with dnsmasq's expand-hosts option |
| 04:02.36 | un214 | try dd if=/dev/sda1 bs=512 count=1 of=/dev/null |
| 04:02.41 | un214 | see if you get an error |
| 04:03.00 | deconvolution | I added expand-hosts into my config file and keep only simple name in address= statement |
| 04:03.23 | kurtis_ | un214: 1+0 records in; 1+0 records out |
| 04:03.34 | deconvolution | ping to simplename would be fine, but simplename.domain will fail |
| 04:03.42 | un214 | got to be the vfat module then |
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| 04:04.11 | kurtis_ | hmm, I tried to lsmod it but it gave me a "Usage: lsmod" output. I tried to insmod it but it said "can't read 'vfat' ...." |
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| 04:04.32 | LordFraNciS | i need help |
| 04:04.57 | kurtis_ | Of course I didn't give it an absolute filename when I did insmod |
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| 04:05.00 | LordFraNciS | how to install oidentd in debian 5 |
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| 04:05.09 | gnarface | kurtis_: insmod msdos didn't work? |
| 04:05.15 | gnarface | kurtis_: or modprobe msdos? |
| 04:05.27 | un214 | he will need vfat for sure though if filesystem is fat32 |
| 04:05.44 | kurtis_ | gnarface: Nope, but modprobe vfat appeared to work (or at least no errors) |
| 04:06.08 | kurtis_ | However, still "No Such Device" error on mount attempt |
| 04:06.26 | un214 | file -s /dev/sda1 |
| 04:06.39 | kurtis_ | hang on, I got it to work :) I used vfat instead of vfat32 |
| 04:06.56 | kurtis_ | awesome, thanks a lot guys! |
| 04:07.26 | kurtis_ | any suggestions on the best way to SSH out to my other computer and "Send" these files? I have no experience with SCP |
| 04:07.52 | kurtis_ | Typically I would use filezilla and sftp ... but I don't have an sshd running on this |
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| 04:08.19 | un214 | I use tar -cf - * | ssh cd dropdir \&\& tar -xf - |
| 04:08.22 | richo | I'm building vim from source, but the resulting .dsc only has signitures for vim and vim-common, but it builds a whole bunch of packages. How do I make it sign all of them? |
| 04:08.30 | un214 | I use tar -cf - * | ssh user@hostname cd dropdir \&\& tar -xf - |
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| 04:09.24 | LordFraNciS | how to install oidentd in debian 5 |
| 04:09.25 | kurtis_ | cool, will that recursively tar those files, then connect to the server, change to the desired directory and then copy them? just trying to read it correctly |
| 04:09.48 | rigved | richo: it should only build the vim package...why are other packages being compiled> |
| 04:10.27 | un214 | kurtis_: yes |
| 04:10.48 | un214 | kurtis_: run it from where you mounted the filesystem |
| 04:10.51 | richo | rigved: vim depends upon vim-common, etc |
| 04:11.18 | richo | I'm running dpkg-buildpackage -i -I -k(mykey) |
| 04:11.23 | rigved | richo: so, only the vim* packages should be compiled. is it compiling other packages as well |
| 04:11.33 | kurtis_ | For example, the login is "kurtis@192.168.2.13" and the drop directory would be ~/backup-old. So run: tar -cf - * | ssh kurtis@192.168.2.13 cd ~/backup-old \&\& tar -xf - |
| 04:11.34 | richo | rigved: yeaj.. it's only building the vim* packages. |
| 04:11.42 | richo | but it's only signing 2 of them in the .dsc |
| 04:12.29 | rigved | richo: there propably might be .dsc files for the other ones availalbe, other than vim and vim-common. specifically for vim-runtime. check it |
| 04:12.30 | un214 | kurtis_: yes but ~ doesn't resolve correctly so omit ~/ |
| 04:12.36 | kurtis_ | k |
| 04:12.41 | un214 | you start in your home dir for relative paths |
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| 04:12.59 | richo | rigved: I did ls *.dsc |
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| 04:13.04 | richo | vim_7.3.138+hg~ea399ac2c1b9-1.dsc |
| 04:13.11 | kurtis_ | awesome, i think it's going to work |
| 04:13.31 | kurtis_ | Yep, its definitely copying. Thanks a lot guys! |
| 04:14.27 | gnarface | ok i just fixed my gameport too now i think... turns out if you're using the snd_cmipci driver (c-media onboard junk) the gameport is not enabled by default... you have to pass joystick_port=1 to the module |
| 04:14.34 | kurtis_ | well i'm going to go take a break and let this do it's thing. I might be bugging you here in a little bit if I can't get X to configure right |
| 04:14.39 | gnarface | you also have to have loaded (i think) analog, joydev, and gameport |
| 04:14.41 | richo | rigved: nvm, I did something stupid. Disregard. |
| 04:14.50 | rigved | richo: hmmm...try compiling it now, then. does it work. maybe the other files do not need |
| 04:14.59 | rigved | richo: ok |
| 04:15.17 | richo | rigved: the .changes file has signitures for all of them. Now just to work out my my apt doesn't trust them. |
| 04:15.23 | peterrooney | ,versions oidentd |
| 04:15.24 | judd | Package oidentd on i386 -- lenny: 2.0.8-1.2; sid: 2.0.8-4; squeeze: 2.0.8-4; wheezy: 2.0.8-4 |
| 04:15.36 | richo | LordFraNciS: ask in channel, don't just PM people randomly. |
| 04:15.51 | gnarface | on and you also have to have ns558 loaded too i think |
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| 04:17.07 | rigved | richo: maybe add the public key of the person who's maintaining these packages. maybe that might help. but it shouldn't be this way |
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| 04:19.08 | LordFraNciS | judd i dont know how to |
| 04:20.22 | richo | rigved: I'm maintaining them (a fork), I added the key I used to sign them at build time |
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| 04:20.29 | richo | do I need to sign the repo itself as well? |
| 04:21.14 | rigved | richo: no. you just add all the signatures in one file and sign that one file. |
| 04:21.39 | kurtis_ | LordFraNcis: Sorry I dont do private msg's, please use this channel. Thanks :) |
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| 04:22.43 | richo | LordFraNciS: in short, aptitude install oidentd |
| 04:23.04 | LordFraNciS | apt-get install oidentd |
| 04:23.04 | LordFraNciS | Reading package lists... Done |
| 04:23.04 | LordFraNciS | Building dependency tree |
| 04:23.04 | LordFraNciS | Reading state information... Done |
| 04:23.04 | LordFraNciS | E: Couldn't find package oidentd |
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| 04:23.21 | richo | :/ |
| 04:23.54 | LordFraNciS | apt-get install oidentd |
| 04:23.54 | LordFraNciS | Reading package lists... Don |
| 04:24.03 | LordFraNciS | Building dependency tree |
| 04:24.03 | LordFraNciS | Reading state information... Done |
| 04:24.07 | LordFraNciS | E: Couldn't find package oidentd |
| 04:24.12 | richo | .... Don't paste in channel |
| 04:24.16 | richo | Use a pastebin |
| 04:25.00 | prince_jammys | hm, what release? |
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| 04:25.42 | richo | rigved: gpg export --armour $KEY | apt-key add - ought to do it right? my key shows in apt-key list |
| 04:25.59 | rigved | richo: yes |
| 04:27.08 | richo | rigved: do I need to trust the key in roots keychain before exporting it? |
| 04:27.17 | LordFraNciS | Debian 5 x64 |
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| 04:29.03 | kurtis_ | Kind of an off topic question, I have a VPS (w/ Static IP). Is it easily possible to use that for a dynamic dns service? (Sort of like Dyndns provides but for my own personal use) |
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| 04:29.08 | rigved | richo: add a signature from another key to trust it. but this is your own key. all this is not required, yet you can try. i havn't done this for some time |
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| 04:33.07 | EndlessDissent | hi. a while back, I used the netinstall disk on my laptop to install Debian GNU/Linux. I USB tethered my phone with no problems. Today, I tried to install GNU/kFreeBSD the same way, but the installer didn't recognize the USB connection. Am I doing something wrong, or can the *BSDs not utilize USB for networking? |
| 04:33.15 | rigved | richo: did it work? |
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| 04:33.53 | richo | rigved: not yet, but I found an article that I think has filled the gaps |
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| 04:34.26 | rigved | EndlessDissent: this is the support channel for GNU/Debian. please ask in the *BSD channels for help with your question |
| 04:34.30 | LordFraNciS | asssssss |
| 04:34.30 | rigved | richo: ok |
| 04:34.45 | EndlessDissent | it is Debian. Debian GNU/kFreeBSD. |
| 04:35.26 | kurtis_ | EndlessDissent: I'd help you but I haven't gotten to play around with using freebsd as a debian kernel yet :( |
| 04:35.30 | rigved | EndlessDissent: oh. sorry. my mistake. |
| 04:35.36 | richo | rigved: I hadn' signed the release file |
| 04:35.57 | rigved | richo: ok. is it working now? |
| 04:36.50 | EndlessDissent | hmmm... i was hoping that since it should be the same installer, that it would work the same. Well, I'll try to find an ethernet cable and hope it works. it didn't for the GNU/Linux installer. |
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| 05:02.22 | kurtis_ | Hey guys, if I want this box to boot right into X (Specifically, into the openbox WM), what's the lightest app I can install to do this? |
| 05:02.38 | simonrvn | xdm |
| 05:02.44 | kurtis_ | cool. Thx |
| 05:03.03 | MrFrood | slim |
| 05:03.34 | kurtis_ | hmm, im not seeing slim in the repos |
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| 05:03.50 | MrFrood | its there |
| 05:04.01 | kurtis_ | ah nevermind, overlooked it :) |
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| 05:05.11 | kurtis_ | It wants to install x11-common as a dependency, is that still xorg and not xfree86? |
| 05:05.21 | kurtis_ | probably a stupid question |
| 05:06.03 | MrFrood | kurtis_: it's all xorg in aqueeze |
| 05:06.10 | simonrvn | yes |
| 05:06.13 | kurtis_ | MrFrood: Awesome :) |
| 05:06.40 | simonrvn | you'll want to do: |
| 05:06.44 | simonrvn | !.xsession |
| 05:06.44 | dpkg | i heard xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 05:06.59 | MrFrood | pretty sure its been that way since etch |
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| 05:08.09 | MrFrood | I just have xsession & xinitrc symlinked - probally a bad idea :-| |
| 05:08.23 | simonrvn | i see slim supports pam now |
| 05:08.54 | simonrvn | tried it when it came out, it didn't support pam, so you couldn't log in at all |
| 05:09.15 | kurtis_ | ahh okay |
| 05:09.24 | kurtis_ | Yeah, logging in would be important |
| 05:09.36 | simonrvn | tbh, it probably got fixed after i tried it |
| 05:09.41 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 05:09.46 | MrFrood | it;s overrated |
| 05:10.33 | kurtis_ | Has anyone tries to migrate Debian to Tegra yet? |
| 05:10.36 | kurtis_ | tried* |
| 05:10.49 | simonrvn | !tegra |
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| 05:11.07 | MrFrood | we need a factoid |
| 05:11.08 | simonrvn | i don't have any more clue than the bot... |
| 05:11.24 | MrFrood | the wiki? |
| 05:11.33 | kurtis_ | haha |
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| 05:11.49 | kurtis_ | I'll have to look. I'm going to get my dev board soon and I'd like to drop Debian o nit |
| 05:12.04 | simonrvn | what arch? |
| 05:12.35 | kurtis_ | Arm A( |
| 05:12.36 | kurtis_ | A9 |
| 05:12.43 | kurtis_ | It's made by Nvidia |
| 05:12.47 | MrFrood | isn't tegra arm? |
| 05:13.00 | simonrvn | should be supported; dunno about drivers, that's kernel domain ;) |
| 05:14.17 | kurtis_ | haha good point. |
| 05:14.29 | kurtis_ | It has a SIM card port ... it'd be sweet to see a Debian Phone |
| 05:14.44 | MrFrood | N900? |
| 05:14.45 | kurtis_ | if I had the money and engineering skills, I'd definitely attempt it. Even if noone bought it |
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| 05:14.59 | kurtis_ | MrFrood: Yeah I'm going to get one of those soon but they kind of abandoned it |
| 05:15.12 | MrFrood | I know :( |
| 05:15.28 | kurtis_ | Everyone is going android .... such a horrible excuse for linux :( |
| 05:15.53 | MrFrood | I don't like smart phones |
| 05:16.18 | kurtis_ | Really? You probably don't get much use out of a lot of the features then |
| 05:16.24 | MrFrood | reception on them tends to suck |
| 05:16.24 | edgy | hi, what's the package I need to install to get the message of The program 'XXX' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: |
| 05:16.24 | edgy | sudo apt-get install XXX |
| 05:16.32 | kurtis_ | I use it mainly for email but I'd love to have a full linux distro rnning |
| 05:16.50 | kurtis_ | edgy: umm, sure |
| 05:16.51 | MrFrood | My T39 does email |
| 05:17.21 | simonrvn | edgy: that's an ubuntu thing |
| 05:17.31 | simonrvn | #ubuntu is over there >> |
| 05:17.53 | MrFrood | edgy: su -c 'aptitude install package-name' |
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| 05:20.21 | kurtis_ | any reason why xorg installs a ton of video drivers by default? I didnt feel like messing with it too much so I just let it ... but is there traditionally a good way to get rid of the unnessary ones? |
| 05:20.36 | edgy | simonrvn, MrFrood: yes I used to do this in ubuntu but now I am using debian, and I thought most things in ubuntu is already in debian, no? |
| 05:20.45 | MrFrood | belts & braces approch |
| 05:21.22 | MrFrood | edgy: most but we don't use sudo the same way |
| 05:21.23 | edgy | kurtis_: I thought the reason is plug and play so even if you change your video card, it would be recognized, may be I am wrong |
| 05:21.27 | ZykoticK9 | edgy, try the package "command-not-found" |
| 05:21.57 | edgy | ZykoticK9: I installed that package but it didn't work |
| 05:21.59 | kurtis_ | edgy: Yeah that would make sense |
| 05:22.28 | kurtis_ | Hmm, I've honestly never had to configure a mouse in the past ... 10 years? this is disappointing :( |
| 05:22.38 | ZykoticK9 | edgy, sorry, i hadn't tried it - but that is the package ubuntu uses. |
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| 05:22.47 | edgy | MrFrood: aptitude install wont' help because I don't know the package name, I only know the command |
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| 05:23.03 | kurtis_ | edgy: apt-cache search <package> |
| 05:23.24 | MrFrood | edgy: search the package descriptions |
| 05:24.03 | edgy | kurtis_: MrFrood, let's say I want to install ls command so I try apt-cache search ls? not logic |
| 05:24.04 | kurtis_ | Wow, googling debian configure mouse kind of drops off after 2005 |
| 05:24.37 | MrFrood | they tend to auto configure most of the time now |
| 05:24.55 | kurtis_ | Yeah ... and I don't see an xorg.conf. Is there a configuration script? |
| 05:25.10 | MrFrood | you sure it's plugged in :| |
| 05:25.26 | kurtis_ | haha yep. It's USB and lit up. Plus it shows up under lsusb |
| 05:25.34 | MrFrood | no xorg.conf be default |
| 05:26.04 | MrFrood | xorg -configure (I think) to get one |
| 05:26.19 | MrFrood | maybe --configure |
| 05:26.29 | kurtis_ | hmm ... no "xorg" |
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| 05:26.40 | ZykoticK9 | "X -configure" |
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| 05:27.17 | MrFrood | and you need to shutdown X first |
| 05:27.19 | ZykoticK9 | kurtis_, you have to stop GDM/KDM/X for above to work |
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| 05:27.54 | ZykoticK9 | kurtis_, and you need to run as root or use sudo |
| 05:28.07 | wchicken | hey all -- this coffee shop's network is really weird. I can resolve anything in google chrome/dig/nslookup, but when I do curl it says 'Couldn't resolve host' -- any ideas on how to debug? |
| 05:30.20 | kurtis_ | It's trying to use /dev/input/mice. That exists. Also, there's a /dev/input/mouse0. Otherwise, I have no idea on how this configuration would be broken |
| 05:30.39 | wchicken | this is affecting some programs and not others. irssi (obviously) is OK, chrome is OK. curl, wget, mtr aren't OK |
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| 05:31.37 | kurtis_ | Cool it's working. I just changed mice. For some reason that other one didn't work |
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| 05:31.42 | muhoo | is there any way to make a usb install image that uses grub and ext2/3 not fat or vfat? |
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| 05:31.59 | muhoo | i can't fit a 4GB USB iso image on a VFAT drive. it can't address it |
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| 05:32.33 | ZykoticK9 | muhoo, if you are using a hybrid ISO it doesn't need a filesystem on the USB |
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| 05:32.55 | muhoo | can i just dd the debian squeeze dvd to my flash drive device? |
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| 05:33.29 | LinuxGuy2009 | I am new to KDE since upgrading to squeeze and am loving it. One thing I wasnt sure of is if KDE has a default GUI package manager? I installed synaptic cause I wasnt sure if there was one or if users are meant to stick with the terminal utilities. |
| 05:33.46 | muhoo | ZykoticK9: i.e. dd if=debian-6.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso of=/dev/sdc ? |
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| 05:35.18 | ZykoticK9 | muhoo, i'm searching for the instructions - can't find them. I don't remember using dd but maybe i did? I seem to think it was cat that I used, but could be wrong. sorry man, no help. |
| 05:35.55 | kurtis_ | From your guys experience, is there any configuration needed for slim to make it run on startup? Or is it automagically going to run when I restart? |
| 05:36.00 | muhoo | ZykoticK9: http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/Debian_USB_install_from_hybrid_iso/ ? |
| 05:36.22 | muhoo | but it says only the netboot has it :-( |
| 05:36.53 | muhoo | i've dd'd netinsts to flash drives maany times |
| 05:36.53 | ZykoticK9 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:37.34 | muhoo | let me ask this then. if there's no iso on a netinst image, will it look in other devices to find the iso? |
| 05:38.04 | muhoo | i.e. USBKEY1 has the netinst iso hybrid. USBKEY2 is an ext3 fs with the DVD iso |
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| 05:38.50 | muhoo | will d-i find the iso on, say, /dev/sdb1 if the netisnt is on /dev/sda1 |
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| 05:39.04 | ZykoticK9 | muhoo, the dvd is hybrid as well, you could just cat it to the USB |
| 05:39.31 | muhoo | seriusly? that's awesome. thanks |
| 05:39.38 | hotwings | so in my /etc/default/grub i have "#GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true".. i want grub2 to use uuid instead of /dev/sdX for my boot drive... however, after installing a new kernel and doing update-grub, its still using /dev/sdX.. any ideas? |
| 05:39.48 | S1kx | hey there. I have a little issue with user privileges: when I run `id` in a cgi script in apache (which is running as www-data:www-data) I get: uid=33(www-data) gid=33(www-data) groups=33(www-data), when I do su - www-data and then run id I get uid=33(www-data) gid=33(www-data) groups=33(www-data),107(gitolite) which is how its supposed to be. why does apache not get all groups of the user |
| 05:39.48 | S1kx | (gitolite missing)? |
| 05:40.49 | kurtis_ | Staring at CRT monitors makes me feel dizzy :( |
| 05:40.59 | kurtis_ | I don't know how I did it for so many years |
| 05:41.13 | smacnay | kurtis_, staring at crt monitors makes me feel young again |
| 05:41.17 | muhoo | i know a guy who has been coding for 30 years. he's nearly blind |
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| 05:42.15 | smacnay | kurtis_, like watching Hulk Hogan slam Randy "Macho Man" Savage and listening to Cindi Lauper. Takes me way back. |
| 05:42.44 | kurtis_ | haha I bet |
| 05:42.47 | S1kx | problem solved |
| 05:42.48 | penos | ate instant noodle cup |
| 05:42.58 | penos | notes it is a little salty |
| 05:43.26 | muhoo | contemplates his navel while waiting for dd to finish |
| 05:44.42 | kurtis_ | oh man i need to change this refresh rate. it's killing me |
| 05:45.03 | kurtis_ | without using an xorg.conf it's probably not easy, huh? |
| 05:46.00 | penos | has his dog in his lap |
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| 05:47.49 | penos | how to remove linux bootloader after you remove linux? |
| 05:47.55 | Noor_eg | hello im using debian with kde and fce dsktop but every time i need to mount my hard desk partions to be able to acess it , is there is solve for that ? |
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| 05:48.32 | kurtis_ | penos: What did you replace it with? |
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| 05:48.45 | penos | windows |
| 05:48.52 | kurtis_ | haha go to #windows :P |
| 05:49.03 | kurtis_ | I'm just kidding. But is that a serious question? |
| 05:49.12 | penos | yes |
| 05:49.20 | penos | i can't remove the linux bootloader |
| 05:49.26 | kurtis_ | oh, well you could probably use the windows installer cd and let it "Repair the system" |
| 05:50.06 | Noor_eg | hello im using debian with kde and fce dsktop but every time i need to mount my hard desk partions to be able to acess it , is there is solve for that ? |
| 05:50.24 | kurtis_ | Noor_eg: Sorry, I don't really know. You might want to go to the KDE channel and ask there. |
| 05:50.40 | Noor_eg | thank you |
| 05:50.43 | Noor_eg | iwil now |
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| 05:50.45 | MrFrood | penos: there are lots of pages out there descibing how to reinstall the MS Windows boot loader |
| 05:50.48 | kurtis_ | no problem. Good luck! |
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| 05:52.02 | kurtis_ | man ... 8 hours later, 3 hard drive replacements, 4 sticks of bad RAM and 2 installations of Debian. This free system for someone else is finally done. I hope he appreciates it |
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| 05:55.28 | kurtis_ | Any suggestions on a lightweight file manager that a non-nerdy (average) 13 year old kid could use? |
| 05:56.27 | penos | midnight commander? |
| 05:56.32 | project2501a | kurtis_: um, 13 year old kid non, nerdy on linux, will become nerdy |
| 05:56.39 | kurtis_ | haha |
| 05:56.48 | kurtis_ | He'll have a penguin sprayed on his skateboard in no time |
| 05:56.48 | project2501a | kurtis_: what's wrong with the default gnome? |
| 05:56.58 | kurtis_ | Too big for this system. I'm running openbox |
| 05:57.18 | project2501a | kurtis_: ah. um. enlightenment? :D |
| 05:57.23 | project2501a | fluxbox? |
| 05:57.31 | jmarsden | kurtis_: Maybe thunar or pcmanfm . pcmanfm is what Lubuntu uses with openbox and LXDE. |
| 05:57.42 | ZykoticK9 | kurtis_, you could check out rox-filer (i used it years ago with fluxbox) - it is a file-manager you're looking for right? |
| 05:57.50 | kurtis_ | jmarsden: cool thanks. I'll check out pcmanfm |
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| 05:57.59 | kurtis_ | Yep, just a file manager. I don't need anything special like a desktop |
| 05:58.03 | jmarsden | kurtis_: You're welcome. |
| 05:58.19 | project2501a | i think the debian community should start a company that supports debian in the enteprise world. but we would do it somewhat differently |
| 05:58.34 | project2501a | "no, sir, it's not the computer. your procuring management is an idiot" |
| 05:59.04 | project2501a | "no, the driver is just fine, you just hired an incompetent programmer" |
| 05:59.27 | project2501a | i think it would go great! |
| 05:59.28 | kurtis_ | Actually, a lightweight desktop would help ... maybe I should just use xfce or something instead of openbox? |
| 05:59.53 | project2501a | kurtis_: yeah xfce would be a great idea, actually |
| 06:00.02 | ZykoticK9 | kurtis_, xfce's requirements are close to gnome's. lxde is "light". |
| 06:00.10 | kurtis_ | ok cool. lxde it is then :) |
| 06:01.03 | project2501a | ok, i am gonna get dressed and i shall go to work |
| 06:01.22 | project2501a | i will continue my ramblings from there. see you later, gentlemen. |
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| 06:05.32 | kurtis_ | haha I just installed lxde. It had a *ton* of dependencies that it installed. I went to remove openbox. It listed off most of those dependencies as unused and told me to run apt-get autoremove to erase them |
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| 06:06.22 | MrFrood | lxde uses openbox |
| 06:06.27 | kurtis_ | crap |
| 06:06.29 | kurtis_ | haha |
| 06:06.32 | kurtis_ | That would explain it then |
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| 06:09.40 | muhoo | i don't build systems for people for free, for just that reason |
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| 06:11.21 | kurtis_ | After I've installed LXDE, is there anything I have to do so that it runs lxde+openbox instead of just plain openbox? |
| 06:12.24 | kurtis_ | Cool nevermind, it just took a little bit to get going |
| 06:12.32 | kurtis_ | It's actually really pretty. I would've never expected this |
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| 06:15.37 | penos | if you install debian as a server do you require a GUI desktop? |
| 06:15.50 | kurtis_ | ZykotikK9: Great suggestion on lxde! Thank you so much |
| 06:16.08 | kurtis_ | This is perfect for the average user |
| 06:16.16 | ZykoticK9 | kurtis_, glad you like it |
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| 06:16.44 | kurtis_ | I do. I might even run it on my own laptop. It's just using plain openbox at the moment |
| 06:16.57 | kurtis_ | well, openbox + gnome-panel |
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| 06:17.22 | Mygale | hi ali i have a question: how i can change My AGP speed for better bandwidth 66 Mhz to 72 Mhz |
| 06:17.41 | penos | ? |
| 06:17.43 | kurtis_ | uhh |
| 06:17.54 | Bus3rr0r | AGP? |
| 06:17.56 | kurtis_ | in Debian? |
| 06:18.00 | kurtis_ | haha |
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| 06:18.15 | kurtis_ | It would probably be in your Bios or a jumper on your motherboard if it's an option |
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| 06:19.02 | Bus3rr0r | yeah it will be a BIOS setting, if you have Catalyst control center you may be able to set it in there |
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| 06:19.41 | Bus3rr0r | I am pretty sure the MB will default to the fastest speed on boot though unless you have specifically set it lower |
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| 06:21.20 | penos | what games can you play in debain? |
| 06:21.39 | kurtis_ | penos: I thought you erased it and are trying to run windows again? |
| 06:21.54 | penos | just saying |
| 06:22.09 | kurtis_ | any game you can play on any distro of linux, probably |
| 06:22.30 | kurtis_ | and a lot of games you could play on Windows and other operating systems as well |
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| 06:26.46 | penos | i can't play my starcraft II on linux!!! |
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| 06:26.59 | Bus3rr0r | how are you trying to run it? |
| 06:27.15 | penos | i'm not sure |
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| 06:29.22 | penos | how do i run it? |
| 06:29.55 | Bus3rr0r | you can try Wine |
| 06:30.07 | Bus3rr0r | may or may nto work, I have not tried to run SC2 |
| 06:30.21 | kurtis_ | i ran into problems with it ... but that was last summer. haven't tried it since |
| 06:30.33 | kurtis_ | other people got it to run though |
| 06:32.10 | ZykoticK9 | penos, it appears winedb gives SCII a Gold rating (good sign) http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=20882 |
| 06:34.36 | kurtis_ | all right im out. See ya guys and thanks for all of the great help tonight! |
| 06:39.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i can't find argparse in debian lenny.. |
| 06:39.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | its apart of python |
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| 06:39.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | nm |
| 06:40.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | i figured it out wong version of incron |
| 06:43.25 | penos | debian sucks it cant play scII |
| 06:44.23 | dudz_ | theres no such thing as scII anyway so thats fine. |
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| 06:47.12 | Rene | hi folks! |
| 06:47.29 | penos | hi Rene |
| 06:48.02 | penos | do you need help with debaian? |
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| 06:51.02 | Rene | penos: not really. I'm happily running my debian-server without any problems :-) |
| 06:51.23 | Rene | i just need some help with finding right switches for ps.. |
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| 06:51.40 | simonrvn | people like auxw or -ef |
| 06:52.00 | Rene | i would like to get the same CPU% value as you get with top |
| 06:52.06 | simonrvn | with some grep magic.. there's also psgrep, etc |
| 06:52.25 | Rene | but the normal ps axu does not show that column with the same value.. |
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| 06:53.26 | simonrvn | maybe formatting the request |
| 06:53.40 | simonrvn | with -eo or -C |
| 06:54.26 | simonrvn | erm, psgrep/pgrep even |
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| 06:57.22 | Rene | it looks like ps does not have that column at all.. |
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| 06:57.42 | simonrvn | time+ or cpu+ ? i didn't see one |
| 06:58.29 | Rene | hold on.. i'll try to find my stress-app so that i get the cpu up |
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| 07:02.25 | penos | How do I use Debian more effectively? |
| 07:03.07 | simonrvn | !fundamentals |
| 07:03.07 | dpkg | You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/ Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ |
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| 07:04.26 | Leoneof | hello, is there any iso file for Debian-Multimedia? |
| 07:05.09 | simonrvn | Leoneof: no, tmk |
| 07:05.18 | simonrvn | see their site |
| 07:05.44 | Leoneof | simonrvn: i can't find it, just packages. |
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| 07:07.15 | simonrvn | they don't have one, tmk, like i said |
| 07:07.48 | penos | Do RMS use Debian? |
| 07:07.54 | nevyn | nope. |
| 07:08.04 | Leoneof | i see, thanks. |
| 07:08.36 | simonrvn | np |
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| 07:08.58 | penos | I thought Debian is used by hackers? |
| 07:09.26 | simonrvn | it's used by all kinds of people |
| 07:10.15 | penos | Do RMS use Ubuntu? |
| 07:10.17 | nevyn | penos: last I remember he was using gNewSense |
| 07:10.41 | jrtayloriv | If I don't choose Desktop task during install, and then do aptitude install xorg xfce xfce-goodies later, is there any difference than if I had just passed the desktop=xfce option to the installer, and selected desktop? |
| 07:10.46 | penos | wow |
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| 07:10.59 | simonrvn | jrtayloriv: probably less junk |
| 07:11.00 | nevyn | penos: but this is OT for here and documented http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html I'd be supprised if he were using anything not on this list. |
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| 07:13.53 | penos | is RMS a hacker? |
| 07:14.17 | simonrvn | penos: do you even know what the word means? |
| 07:14.19 | ElDiabolo | Definitely OT. |
| 07:14.44 | penos | i think it means someone who is good at computers |
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| 07:17.00 | penos | can RMS write kernels? |
| 07:17.28 | simonrvn | penos: enough |
| 07:19.32 | ElDiabolo | Has anybody got a hint for my continuing evolution annoyance. Since lenny it asks me for a charset every time it start. It suggest a default, I press enter and the next time it asks again. |
| 07:19.56 | ElDiabolo | Since squeeze, i meant. |
| 07:20.00 | penos | hahaha |
| 07:20.50 | simonrvn | ElDiabolo: never seen that, checked bts? |
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| 07:21.40 | ElDiabolo | simonrvn, See this on two machines. Maybe triggered by german enviroment (de_DE.utf8) |
| 07:21.49 | Leoneof | how to download all Debian-Multimedia packages in a command line? |
| 07:22.09 | simonrvn | Leoneof: you can't. there's conflicts |
| 07:22.20 | ElDiabolo | simonrvn, Asked google, but charset is not a good word to search for. |
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| 07:22.45 | Leoneof | simonrvn: not to install, just download to my local /apt/cache. |
| 07:22.56 | simonrvn | ElDiabolo: how about "evolution locale character set broken" |
| 07:23.09 | simonrvn | (for a start) |
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| 07:24.02 | simonrvn | Leoneof: might want to look at apt-cacher or fetching packages via squid proxy |
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| 07:27.00 | penos | have you guys heard about loongson? |
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| 07:27.25 | penos | it is purported that rms uses loongson in his notebook |
| 07:27.35 | Bus3rr0r | ? |
| 07:27.42 | nevyn | penos: youe been asked nicely. |
| 07:28.00 | simonrvn | penos: you're off-topic, and you need to stop being a low-level troll |
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| 07:28.24 | simonrvn | /ig -replies penos |
| 07:28.39 | albech | as soon as i add an ACL clause to my bind configuration it fails to start |
| 07:28.55 | albech | i dont see any entries in the log files |
| 07:29.08 | albech | do i have to install some additional package for ACL support? |
| 07:29.13 | Dewi | simonrvn: hah that's awesome, I never knew about -replies |
| 07:29.22 | simonrvn | no. have you configured logging for it? |
| 07:29.39 | simonrvn | irssi has some nice ones Dewi |
| 07:30.09 | Dewi | simonrvn: yeah, I've used it forever, but it still has plenty of surprises. Mostly due to its lack of doco I think :) |
| 07:30.20 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 07:30.47 | simonrvn | the docs tend to be in people's heads, spread all over the place ;p |
| 07:30.53 | penos | fucks simonrun in the asshole |
| 07:31.18 | Dewi | he didn't mean be a higher level troll, pen |
| 07:32.53 | nevyn | !ops penos is being disruptive |
| 07:32.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nevyn complains about: penos is being disruptive |
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| 07:34.45 | simonrvn | albech: i ask about the logging because the logs are more helpful than what you see in syslog |
| 07:35.03 | simonrvn | usually more helpful* |
| 07:35.29 | ElDiabolo | simonrvn, Ah, it actually depends on LANG=de_DE.utf8. If I use C, it does not ask. So this is a reproducible bug I can report :) |
| 07:35.30 | albech | simonrvn, no i havent configured any logging clause.. i will do that |
| 07:35.41 | simonrvn | ElDiabolo: aaah |
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| 07:35.58 | simonrvn | albech: it's probably some typo ;p |
| 07:36.11 | albech | simonrvn, classic ;) |
| 07:36.19 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 07:36.26 | penos | ElDiabolo, can't you use en_EN.utf8? |
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| 07:36.59 | simonrvn | penos: doesn't exist |
| 07:37.21 | penos | us_US.utf8 |
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| 07:37.43 | ElDiabolo | penos, It should just work. I'll work around it by changing the menu entry, but if it does not "just work", it is a (minor in this case) bug. |
| 07:37.52 | Sauvin | en_US.UTF-8 |
| 07:38.31 | simonrvn | penos: learn about ISO 639 first... |
| 07:39.04 | ElDiabolo | Bye + thx. |
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| 07:43.01 | penos | !ops penos is being disruptive |
| 07:43.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: penos complains about: penos is being disruptive |
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| 07:43.38 | anddam | hello |
| 07:43.49 | penos | man i wish i had a girl friend to fuck in the ass |
| 07:44.45 | anddam | can I "upgrade" the arch of an installed system? |
| 07:44.52 | anddam | namely i386 -> amd64 |
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| 07:47.30 | simonrvn | anddam: i'm afraid that wouldn't go too well |
| 07:47.40 | anddam | simonrvn: so wipe and reinstall |
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| 07:47.50 | penos | yes |
| 07:48.11 | anddam | simonrvn: I have to build |
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| 07:48.25 | simonrvn | anddam: back up important data of course, if you do that. build? |
| 07:48.32 | simonrvn | penos: be quiet. |
| 07:48.33 | anddam | wait, still typing :-) |
| 07:49.02 | anddam | simonrvn: I have to build Android platform and it officially supports only 64bit from 2.2 on, there are patches to build on 32 bit systems but I'd prefer to stay mainstream as I'm still getting my feet wet with it |
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| 07:49.35 | simonrvn | ah, ok |
| 07:49.46 | anddam | that's to explain the reason behind my question |
| 07:50.06 | anddam | thanks |
| 07:50.14 | anddam | bye |
| 07:50.16 | ompaul | you could run a v, |
| 07:50.28 | ompaul | oh well one enter too late with a typo |
| 07:50.33 | simonrvn | didn't think of that.. running a vm or something |
| 07:50.52 | simonrvn | oh well |
| 07:50.57 | ompaul | simonrvn: I think the something is a wipe an reinstall :-) |
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| 07:51.10 | simonrvn | heh, yeh |
| 07:51.15 | Bus3rr0r | lol |
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| 08:06.02 | noobdebuser | Heya... Noob to Debian here... Just did a LXDE install from the livecd, booted into x afterwards and no ui tools to configure the network... ifconfig doesn't exist... So my question is, uh what does Debian use for it's network configuration? |
| 08:07.13 | simonrvn | your install didn't finish then, because that's part of a standard install |
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| 08:08.10 | simonrvn | !standard task |
| 08:08.10 | dpkg | somebody said standard task was a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). For a list of packages see http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel . Also ask me about <tasksel>. Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. |
| 08:08.14 | simonrvn | noobdebuser: ^^^ |
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| 08:12.19 | telmich | good morning |
| 08:12.25 | simonrvn | hi |
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| 08:13.22 | noobdebuser | I'm certain the install finished... So ifconfig should be present? Or a GUI configuration tool should be present also? If so, what might it be called? - Sorry if this is RTFM shit |
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| 08:20.33 | noobdebuser | OK. So currently attempting to follow the wiki on network configuration. the commands auth and iface are not found... Did my install fail completely? |
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| 08:24.26 | simonrvn | noobdebuser: commands 'auth' 'iface' for? |
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| 08:25.02 | noobdebuser | To attempt to set up networking from command line? |
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| 08:26.23 | soa2ii | I installed a kernel update yesterday (xen kernel) where can I find out the version of the currently running kernel? Do I need a reboot with xen too? Yes or? |
| 08:27.18 | jeff_hann | soa2ii, uname -r |
| 08:27.20 | mobidev | hello guys |
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| 08:27.22 | mobidev | I see 6.0.1 is released, but I see live-6.0.0 only :( We can see live-6.0.1 too? |
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| 08:28.00 | mobidev | I check it in http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ |
| 08:28.04 | soa2ii | jeff_hann: Already used this: 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 aptitude says Version: 2.6.32-31 I'm not sure if they're the same ⦠|
| 08:28.20 | soa2ii | Or is the currently running Version: 2.6.32-5 ? |
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| 08:28.46 | jeff_hann | soa2ii, uname -r tells you the kernel you're running |
| 08:28.58 | simonrvn | noobdebuser: iface is an interfaces option |
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| 08:33.05 | noobdebuser | Well, issue solved and I'm stupid. FYI apparently being in the /usr directory I couldn't run anything from anywhere else, not sure why that's happening but I'll cope |
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| 08:39.25 | gnugr | !how can i make a bootable usb stick for debian-squeeze? |
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| 08:40.22 | dudz_ | the same way you would for a debian lenny ? |
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| 08:40.40 | gnugr | wich way |
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| 08:41.22 | dudz_ | you have tried using the universal usb installer ? |
| 08:41.46 | gnugr | i want to create my usb stick |
| 08:41.59 | dudz_ | do it |
| 08:42.04 | gnugr | how |
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| 08:42.14 | gnugr | no tool exists |
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| 08:42.36 | dudz_ | http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ |
| 08:42.37 | Dewi | gnugr: dd? |
| 08:42.47 | simonrvn | !usb install |
| 08:42.47 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 08:43.14 | simonrvn | gnugr: ^^^ also /msg dpkg search |
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| 08:45.19 | capri | how could i get into the lilo bootloader at the bootprocess of a system=! |
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| 08:47.06 | gnugr | i guess you got me wrong, my mistake, i want to create a usb stick to install debian-squeeze to others |
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| 08:53.02 | dudz_ | gnugr, you don't know what you want then because your question was answerd for what you asked. |
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| 08:55.27 | mobidev | sorry, I try to go URL http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ and have Not found :( |
| 08:55.42 | mobidev | this link from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 08:55.45 | embrik | I have forgotten a password I put on an Openoffice document last night. I know the first four letters and I know the next to keys are numbers. Is there a way of making a list in calc? Sorry, probably wrong channel :-) |
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| 08:55.56 | gnugr | my questions answered? you think so, i don't want to install from a usb stick but to create one |
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| 08:56.27 | mactimes | Has anyone gotten latest VMware Server running on Squeeze? |
| 08:56.41 | mactimes | I mean, Squeeze amd64 |
| 08:56.57 | gnugr | anyway i'm off here |
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| 08:59.10 | erAbuelo | buenos dias |
| 08:59.25 | anddam | I want to edit chromium-browser.desktop in /usr/share/applications in order to add --password-store option |
| 08:59.47 | anddam | I edited the file in /usr/share/applications but now it's back to its original form without option |
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| 09:00.07 | anddam | has it been reverted by an update? how can I override it in my user dir? |
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| 09:03.28 | simonrvn | aah relief |
| 09:03.43 | Bus3rr0r | *applause |
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| 09:04.31 | simonrvn | !themill++ |
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| 09:15.16 | anddam | I have setup two monitors using the gnome System->Monitor panel |
| 09:15.28 | anddam | how can I define which one has gnome menu bar? |
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| 09:19.25 | socketguru | i think menu bar will be in both monitor |
| 09:19.39 | Bus3rr0r | anddam the chromium browser flags can be set in /etc/chromium-browser/default |
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| 09:20.22 | anddam | Bus3rr0r: thanks, I have copied chromium-browser.desktop in ~/.local but I think it's better a systemwide solution for other users too |
| 09:20.30 | anddam | any hint about the main screen question? |
| 09:21.05 | Bus3rr0r | Sorry, I don't use Gnome much |
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| 09:22.17 | anddam | me neither |
| 09:22.26 | anddam | that's why I'm asking |
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| 09:29.44 | bilm | hi all |
| 09:30.10 | bilm | I need help: my fs got corrupted and fsck fixed a lot... but there's a lot of files corrupted now |
| 09:30.20 | bilm | E.g. my /etc/init.d scripts are broken |
| 09:30.37 | bilm | How can I reinstall them? |
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| 09:31.08 | bilm | reinstalling insserv doesn't do it and reinstalling the packages causes insserv to yelp about corrupted scripts |
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| 09:31.12 | anddam | bilm: I think each init.d script come from a package, apart a set of system's |
| 09:31.34 | bilm | yea, but reinstalling them makes insserv yelp about broken scripts |
| 09:33.04 | trebor_dki | hello. i tried to make an all-in-one-installation usb-hd according to chapters 4.3 + 4.4 + 5.1 of the debian installation handbook -> the installer does not recognize the dvd-isos, are only cd-isos allowed? |
| 09:33.51 | simonrvn | bilm: fetch the script out from the packages and put them in place, then fix insserv |
| 09:34.00 | simonrvn | bilm: scripts* |
| 09:35.03 | bilm | simonrvn: What's the easiest way to download and extract the packages? |
| 09:35.33 | bilm | aptitude download I guess |
| 09:35.43 | bilm | and then dpkg -x |
| 09:35.55 | simonrvn | aptitude download pkgname pkgname1 [etc.] or apt-get -d install pkg pkg1 [etc.] |
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| 09:36.22 | simonrvn | yeh, -x to /tmp/rootfs or such |
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| 09:38.04 | bilm | One is sysklogd |
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| 09:38.33 | bilm | I updated the script, but insserv still complains about /etc/init.d/../rc0.d/K05sysklogd |
| 09:38.34 | simonrvn | this a lenny box? |
| 09:39.05 | simonrvn | that seems... fubar |
| 09:39.06 | bilm | Updated testing |
| 09:39.17 | simonrvn | maybe check the insserv "db" files |
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| 09:39.41 | bilm | "Check" meaning in this case? :) |
| 09:39.49 | simonrvn | they're text afaik.. |
| 09:39.58 | bilm | Where are they? |
| 09:40.09 | simonrvn | /etc/init.d iirc |
| 09:40.28 | simonrvn | could be it's dangling symlink |
| 09:40.33 | simonrvn | it's a* ? |
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| 09:41.30 | bilm | Not sure what you mean., I don't see anything weird in /etc/init.d |
| 09:41.35 | bilm | Just a lot of scripts |
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| 09:42.29 | simonrvn | .depend.* files, maybe one's fubar - look inside, maybe there's binary data at the end (i.e. corruption) |
| 09:43.12 | bilm | No binary crap visible there |
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| 09:43.56 | simonrvn | so sysklogd is a real script? |
| 09:44.05 | simonrvn | er, /etc/init.d/* |
| 09:44.16 | bilm | Yes, I just repaced it from the package |
| 09:45.19 | simonrvn | run insserv -v see where it's hanging, you can then see what to look at maybe |
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| 09:45.50 | bilm | simonrvn: I'm basically having problems reinstalling some packages with corrupted files, as insserv complains with the above line |
| 09:46.06 | bilm | ah, insserv -v also reports those things indeed |
| 09:46.12 | bilm | First line is: |
| 09:46.27 | bilm | insserv: warnign: script is corrupt or invalid: /etc/init.d/../rc0.d/K05sysklogd |
| 09:47.05 | bilm | And it's right, it contains some XFree stuff :S |
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| 09:47.29 | bilm | So, how do I regenerate those symlinks in /etc/rc?.d? |
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| 09:47.49 | simonrvn | manually? :) |
| 09:48.01 | bilm | I guess I should just resymlink them |
| 09:48.04 | simonrvn | with update-rc.d ? |
| 09:48.11 | simonrvn | take your pick |
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| 09:48.43 | juan_alerto_el_l | fuck you |
| 09:48.57 | simonrvn | aren't you nice |
| 09:49.13 | bilm | simonrvn: that basically requires the same work and knowledge, right? :) |
| 09:49.24 | juan_alerto_el_l | there are Girls? |
| 09:49.31 | simonrvn | bilm: more or less ;) |
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| 09:49.37 | simonrvn | juan_alerto_el_l: wrong channel |
| 09:50.05 | simonrvn | juan_alerto_el_l: there's just bots and men here |
| 09:50.14 | ProphetPX | lol and sleeping admins |
| 09:50.35 | simonrvn | sleeping admins is an oxymoron |
| 09:50.40 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 09:50.42 | ProphetPX | lmao |
| 09:50.46 | ProphetPX | not on IRC it isn't |
| 09:50.51 | ProphetPX | haha |
| 09:51.00 | juan_alerto_el_l | Good-bye fags |
| 09:51.21 | simonrvn | *someone's* insecure |
| 09:51.50 | juan_alerto_el_l | All less I |
| 09:52.43 | juan_alerto_el_l | Junkies |
| 09:52.45 | trebor_dki | debian installation handbook chapter 6.3.1.4: i re-generated dvd-isos from already burned dvds (using k3b), might this be a cause for the installer not to find/verify the isos? |
| 09:53.19 | streuner__ | !+tell juan_alerto_el_I -about enter |
| 09:53.19 | dpkg | told juan_alerto_el_I about enter. |
| 09:53.30 | simonrvn | !ops juan_alerto_el_l trolling |
| 09:53.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: simonrvn complains about: juan_alerto_el_l trolling |
| 09:53.53 | streuner__ | !+tell juan_alerto_el_l -about enter |
| 09:53.55 | dpkg | told juan_alerto_el_l about enter. |
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| 09:54.38 | JoeyBrennan | Deb6 + Smplayer Problem: Plays HD videos with full vdpau offloading but at the end of any video I get the error: Mplayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM. |
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| 09:57.01 | simonrvn | !ops juan_alerto_el_l is now known as rubita_cachonda |
| 09:57.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: simonrvn complains about: juan_alerto_el_l is now known as rubita_cachonda |
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| 09:58.40 | trebor_dki | are iso-images generated with k3b from dvd not valid as installation isos for hd-installation (chapter 6.3.1.4)? |
| 09:58.59 | simonrvn | i dunno |
| 09:59.56 | simonrvn | one would imagine they were. |
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| 10:00.28 | Bus3rr0r | looks liek they are |
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| 10:02.19 | trebor_dki | do they have to have exactly the download-name? |
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| 10:04.30 | Bus3rr0r | You can rename an ISO file to whatever you want |
| 10:04.55 | trebor_dki | how does the (hd-)installer check/verify the isos (chapter 6.3.1.4)? |
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| 10:05.26 | trebor_dki | (iso-scan) |
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| 10:09.58 | bilm | simonrvn: OK, I think I fixed those symlinks |
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| 10:10.13 | bilm | simonrvn: now I have a problem with /etc/environment |
| 10:10.37 | bilm | it is now a directory |
| 10:10.49 | simonrvn | weee |
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| 10:11.25 | bilm | simonrvn: but apt-file etc/environment doesnt' result in anything |
| 10:11.29 | bilm | So I wonder what this comes from |
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| 10:12.16 | bilm | maybe it's generated |
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| 10:13.06 | bilm | it seems many places got links to exim dirs/files |
| 10:13.08 | simonrvn | generated, probably |
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| 10:13.29 | bilm | what about /etc/default/locale? Same story I guess |
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| 10:15.39 | simonrvn | iirc yes |
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| 10:15.58 | bilm | I just removed them |
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| 10:17.22 | bilm | Now would be nice to just aptitude reinstall * |
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| 10:18.05 | AthomIk | hello |
| 10:18.20 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 10:18.34 | simonrvn | in some cases that would work |
| 10:19.02 | bilm | simonrvn: at least to get rid of some corrupted files |
| 10:19.30 | AthomIk | How i can retrive the packages of last update, this night i have updated 42 packages..... |
| 10:19.43 | Shadur | Which GCC version is recommended for kernel compiles? gcc 4.5 just segfaulted on me during make-kpkg |
| 10:20.03 | AthomIk | and game of my daughter can work :( |
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| 10:21.55 | bilm | simonrvn: just rebooted, and X starts again. But some services failed to sart, still gotta look at that |
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| 10:22.50 | anddam | gnome-color-manager doesn't allow me to create color profile for autodetected monitors (samsung lcd), how can I solve this? |
| 10:23.06 | anddam | the colors are awful (and uneven between the two identical monitors) |
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| 10:23.18 | AthomIk | is xorg-core have a recent update ?? |
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| 10:27.09 | anddam | I think I found updates this morning |
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| 10:27.40 | simonrvn | bilm: it's gonna be a long process, if you don't have backups |
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| 10:31.00 | bilm | simonrvn: I don't have backups of the system |
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| 10:31.20 | bilm | simonrvn: my apache2's httpd.conf also gone... Any idea how to regenerate that? |
| 10:33.22 | bilm | got it |
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| 10:35.01 | g00se | Where to get the source packages for debian-multimedia (lenny)? |
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| 10:35.23 | petemc | g00se: tried adding a deb-src line for that repo ? |
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| 10:35.47 | petemc | g00se: its quite possible that some of the software in that particular repo doesnt have source |
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| 10:36.16 | themill | there will be a "source package" still, but it might just be a tarball of precompiled crap from adobe. |
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| 10:36.49 | g00se | petemc: i did- no dice ;) |
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| 10:38.15 | g00se | Can anyone here manage to encode mp3 with ffmpeg - preferably on lenny? |
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| 10:39.44 | E-bola | Hmm was there some sort of key update as part of 6.0.1? I suddenly started getting told from aptitude that all packages not from security.debian.org are untrusted |
| 10:39.56 | E-bola | My mirror is ftp.dk.debian.org |
| 10:41.14 | E-bola | Weird, switching to ftp.se.debian.org fixed the problem... |
| 10:41.30 | E-bola | Wonder if the dk mirror is just out of sync somehow or maybe compromised....' |
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| 10:45.00 | simonrvn | E-bola: out of sync, or your box is |
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| 10:47.34 | mm2000 | hi, anyone knows a minimal AMI for debian 6.0? |
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| 10:51.00 | bilm | simonrvn: hmm, now rpc.statd doesn't seem to want to start, even after completely purgning and installing nfs-common |
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| 10:56.16 | simonrvn | portmap running? |
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| 10:56.47 | bilm | daemon 1000 1 0 11:19 ? 00:00:00 /sbin/portmap |
| 10:56.49 | bilm | seems so |
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| 10:58.44 | bilm | it seems there are still several links wrong in /etc/rc?.d |
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| 11:00.09 | bilm | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Jan 15 2010 K01klogd -> ../init.d/ssh |
| 11:00.12 | bilm | stuffl ike that, is a-OK |
| 11:00.16 | bilm | agreed? |
| 11:01.02 | simonrvn | yikes |
| 11:01.21 | simonrvn | fix, yes, of course ;) |
| 11:01.22 | bilm | I'm checking them all now |
| 11:02.27 | simonrvn | see ya |
| 11:03.03 | cusco | hi |
| 11:03.13 | cusco | calendar: switch to locale ``ru_RU.KOI8-R'' cannot be honored |
| 11:03.28 | cusco | I don't understand why russian locale is needed? |
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| 11:07.20 | bilm | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Mar 5 2008 K01klogd -> /usr/bin/Xorg |
| 11:07.21 | bilm | cool :) |
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| 11:09.13 | Master_User | hallo hatt von euch einer shon von euch erfolgreich gnomenu installiert?. Hebe source compiliert ausgefuhrt und fehler bekommen. Habe .deb's installiert und geht wieder nicht. |
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| 11:12.51 | bilm | simonrvn: after fixing the symlinks, statd still won't start |
| 11:12.52 | trebor_dki | Master_User: -> #debian-de |
| 11:12.53 | trebor_dki | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:12.57 | bilm | simonrvn: any hints? |
| 11:13.08 | Master_User | ah ty :) |
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| 11:13.45 | trebor_dki | how does iso-scan test/check/verify isos? (debian installation section 6.3.1.4)? |
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| 11:18.27 | shalok | How do I play mp3's and sound on wolfenstein: enemy territory at the same time? |
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| 11:19.35 | eldude | hey room |
| 11:20.05 | eldude | is bored |
| 11:20.18 | themill | eldude: perhaps you wanted #defocus then |
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| 11:21.27 | aypea[3] | hi. when using dhcp in the network/interfaces file, is it possible to get it to pass extra args to the dhcp client? |
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| 11:23.06 | abrotman | there is a config file |
| 11:25.00 | bilm | Let's purge portmap and reinstall nfs-common |
| 11:25.24 | babilen | aypea[3]: what are you trying to do? |
| 11:25.43 | aypea[3] | by default it references /usr/share/udhcpc/default.script or is there another, undocumented one? |
| 11:26.05 | aypea[3] | babilen: trying to get my own scripts executed at various dhcp events. this worked in lenny, not so much in squeeze. |
| 11:26.06 | blackshirt | hello, anyone here can help me ? |
| 11:26.16 | bilm | hmm, no, statd still isn't starting.... |
| 11:26.26 | bilm | Does someone have an idea what could be wrong? |
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| 11:31.23 | aypea[3] | well that's a mite annoying. a config file outside of /etc slipped through the QA net. |
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| 11:32.52 | abrotman | aypea[3]: i blame the soviet union |
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| 11:39.50 | themill | aypea[3]: normally, the file in /usr will be the default config which can be overridden by a file in /etc. I've not looked to see if that's the case here. |
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| 11:43.38 | aypea[3] | themill: It's not happening for me (I can tell from the stuff in my scripts being done) - also, strings busybox does not reference anything with a suitable name in /etc |
| 11:43.43 | trebor_dki | what do i have to (apt-cache) search for, to find the sources for iso-scan (part of installer)? |
| 11:43.50 | bonjoyee | a few month ago i had asked a question about the cleartype patch for fonts and here is the answer: http://sourceforge.net/projects/freetype/files/freetype2/2.4.0/NEWS/view |
| 11:44.00 | aypea[3] | is about to file a bug unless someone can point out that he's missing something obvious |
| 11:44.29 | bonjoyee | this patch has come into unstable..any chances of it coming to stable? |
| 11:44.56 | abrotman | aypea[3]: isn't there a /etc/dhclient.conf ? |
| 11:45.19 | abrotman | bonjoyee: depends on the bug ? |
| 11:45.24 | bonjoyee | currently, on squeeze my fonts look very bad compared to ubuntu/other distros using the font... |
| 11:45.57 | aypea[3] | abrot: let me check to see if that's relevant. that may be something for the isc dhcp client |
| 11:46.01 | themill | aypea[3]: "man udhcpc" tells you how to specify the config file that should be used. That sounds perfectly valid behaviour. |
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| 11:46.36 | aypea[3] | themill: how do I get that specified in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:47.03 | aypea[3] | abrotman: strings /bin/busybox does not reference it. docs don't mention it. |
| 11:47.26 | anddam | how can I install python 2.4 on squeeze? |
| 11:47.39 | themill | aypea[3]: hmm... is udhcpc actually designed for use with /e/n/interfaces at all? |
| 11:48.00 | Leoneof | hi, i can't find Netbeans , code::blocks in Software Center |
| 11:48.17 | abrotman | in what? |
| 11:48.22 | aypea[3] | themill: it is in squeeze according to man interfaces |
| 11:48.53 | cusco | neither could I. I noticed netbeans is only on SID. Leoneof I downloaded and ran the installer from netbeans web-site |
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| 11:48.56 | cusco | worked fine |
| 11:49.26 | Leoneof | cusco: i see, thanks. |
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| 11:49.40 | cusco | I even installed the 0.7 beta |
| 11:49.48 | bonjoyee | i have searched the internet and realised that the font patch has been enable since cairo 1.10.. |
| 11:49.51 | Leoneof | ^_^ |
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| 11:50.21 | Leoneof | i wonder why Debian didn't include them in Software Center. |
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| 11:54.11 | aypea[3] | submits a bug, then wonders how to solve his issue in a sane, immediate manner |
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| 11:55.22 | themill | aypea[3]: dpkg-divert the default file out of /usr/ and plonk your own one in there instead. There are ickier ways of doing it... :) |
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| 11:56.07 | aypea[3] | themill: that'll survive upgrades? |
| 11:56.55 | anddam | once I add an user to a group is there a way to have it acknowledged by the system without logging out the user? |
| 11:56.57 | themill | yes. dpkg-divert is telling dpkg that the file from the package should be placed elsewhere (just at -udhcpc-orig or something to the end of the filename). |
| 11:57.13 | aypea[3] | themill: awesome. learn something new :) |
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| 11:58.45 | bonjoyee | i am referring to this bug ... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=555722 , i wonder why thi has not been fixed for squeeze? |
| 12:00.22 | aypea[3] | themill: this look right? dpkg-divert --divert /usr/share/udhcpc/default.script.pkg-orig --rename /usr/share/udhcpc/default.script |
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| 12:11.52 | mrpeters-isl | Hi all. I'm trying to track down an issue, which my RAID vendor attributes to a kernel issue, however we've updated the kernel (Lenny, and using backport 2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64) and the problem persists. We're experiencing intermittent system hangs with dmesg showing "[ 1923.208180] INFO: task kjournald:2796 blocked for more than 120 seconds." or "[ 1923.214374] INFO: task postgres:6399 blocked |
| 12:11.52 | mrpeters-isl | for more than 120 seconds." |
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| 12:12.18 | mrpeters-isl | I've found quite a few similar bug reports that state this was fixed in a later kernel version, but as i say - upgrading the kernel sadly has caused the problem to persist |
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| 12:18.20 | _Christophe_ | Anybody know whether it is normal or not that I can't see an unused partition (not created at install, then not formated) via parted or fdisk? |
| 12:19.06 | trebor_dki | where do all logs of postinst scripts go to? |
| 12:19.15 | abrotman | your screen |
| 12:19.43 | abrotman | _Christophe_: fdisk -l /dev/sda (as root, substitude sda if needed) .. doesn't show it? |
| 12:19.46 | _Christophe_ | ? |
| 12:19.56 | _Christophe_ | humm |
| 12:19.58 | cusco | _Christophe_: fdisk -l should still list it |
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| 12:20.28 | _Christophe_ | # fdisk -l |
| 12:20.28 | _Christophe_ | WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/cciss/c0d0'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted. |
| 12:20.28 | _Christophe_ | Disk /dev/cciss/c0d0: 4000.7 GB, 4000730669056 bytes |
| 12:20.28 | _Christophe_ | 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 486394 cylinders |
| 12:20.28 | _Christophe_ | Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes |
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| 12:20.41 | Shadur | ... Note to self. Next time I do a dist-upgrade on a server, turn off apt-listbugs first. |
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| 12:21.49 | _Christophe_ | Sorry... |
| 12:21.53 | _Christophe_ | http://paste.debian.net/111442/ |
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| 12:22.35 | _Christophe_ | I have got 2 partitions / and swap |
| 12:22.48 | _Christophe_ | but also another one that was not created at Debian install |
| 12:22.53 | _Christophe_ | it is about 4 TB |
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| 12:24.48 | abrotman | is this debian-bsd? |
| 12:25.07 | _Christophe_ | No, its squeeze |
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| 12:25.21 | lizsac | someone invite me to freebsd |
| 12:25.24 | _Christophe_ | The install is on a RAID on a HP server |
| 12:25.28 | lizsac | hahah |
| 12:25.29 | lizsac | j/k |
| 12:25.42 | abrotman | _Christophe_: it tells you .. use parted to see it? |
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| 12:25.59 | _Christophe_ | Yes |
| 12:26.00 | trebor_dki | _Christophe_: i try to understand iso-scan.postinst: AFAIU all found .iso files are mounted and if not is_debian_iso i'll get a log {"Not a Debian ISO" or "failed mounting $iso_to_try"}. not seeing any of those means that no isos were found? |
| 12:26.01 | _Christophe_ | look |
| 12:26.04 | _Christophe_ | wait |
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| 12:26.24 | _Christophe_ | http://paste.debian.net/111443/ |
| 12:26.45 | _Christophe_ | With parted I can see my partitions but not the last one that was not created |
| 12:26.52 | sdnalanis | hi all i have a quick question |
| 12:26.54 | aypea[3] | does a -his scripts work now- dance. |
| 12:27.57 | sdnalanis | where to obtain the kde 3.5.x for debian 6? |
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| 12:28.39 | chater | Hola |
| 12:28.45 | sdnalanis | hi |
| 12:29.07 | chater | Somebody speak spanish |
| 12:29.40 | chater | Xk tengo un problema con debian sqeeze |
| 12:29.51 | ansgar | !es |
| 12:29.51 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 12:30.22 | sdnalanis | where to obtain the kde 3.5.x for debian 6? |
| 12:30.33 | babilen | !tell sdnalanis -about trinity |
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| 12:31.14 | man_in_ltop | hmm |
| 12:31.46 | sonnie | can i ask teamviewer here? i have downloaded from official website teamviewer version 6. after installation, i tried to run it by `teamviewer', the program just appears in just a few seconds and exits. anyone knows why? TIA |
| 12:35.23 | _Christophe_ | Nobody could help me creating a new partition on an unused space of 4TB ? |
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| 12:36.38 | bint | hmm i have a not really debian related question.. but i'd like to pack a folder with 7zip into a rar archive |
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| 12:36.42 | bint | and i dont get the man page |
| 12:36.52 | man_in_ltop | anyone know if there's a bad Packages going around debian mirrors for unstable atm? |
| 12:37.03 | bint | isnt it 7z a -t{rar} foldername archivename ? |
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| 12:37.51 | abrotman | man_in_ltop: ftp.au.debian.org ? |
| 12:37.56 | man_in_ltop | yes |
| 12:38.04 | man_in_ltop | also ftp.iinet.net.au now too |
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| 12:38.57 | gnugr | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 12:44.06 | trebor_dki | iso-scan.postinst: where do log "xxx" messages go? is there a file/screen to watch them? (it is definitely not the terminal/screen i am watching). |
| 12:44.22 | man_in_ltop | ftp.monash.edu.au is being promising |
| 12:45.25 | abrotman | trebor_dki: man script |
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| 12:51.38 | trebor_dki | abrotman: script logs the terminal session to a file, or does it more? |
| 12:51.50 | abrotman | what else did you want? |
| 12:51.57 | abrotman | you want to see all the shell commands too? |
| 12:52.04 | jel | Anyone had trouble with ruby gems in recent sid upgrades? I'm getting rails complaining that gems aren't installed, when gems list shows them locally. |
| 12:52.28 | bint | hmm i have a not really debian related question.. but i'd like to pack a folder with 7zip into a rar archive |
| 12:52.33 | bint | isnt it 7z a -t{rar} foldername archivename ? |
| 12:52.36 | bint | and i dont get the man page |
| 12:53.22 | alain_ | Hi, i've got an printer/scan/fax brother, type mfc-9450CDN, not very recent and i have to find the .deb in brother website, why drivers aren't included in debian, why shall i do to the future users can install this printer directly from the debian printer tools, without going in brother website ? |
| 12:53.59 | Joelio | Is it possible to get a JSON output of packages that can be upgraded? I may kick python-apt if not, would like to get the list for use with Puppet |
| 12:54.12 | trebor_dki | abrotman: i would like to all the strings which are log'ed from iso-scan.postinst. as this is part of the installer image, i am not able to change it. (i think/hope the logs appear somewhere i can watch them on a separate terminal) |
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| 12:54.51 | trebor_dki | abrotman: log'ed messages do not appear on the (main)screen. |
| 12:55.14 | trebor_dki | /s/do/seem |
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| 12:55.54 | jel | alain_, it's probably just too new for the last debian release. Iit's PCL6 / Postscript 3, though, so you can just use generic drivers if you're stuck. |
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| 12:57.23 | jel | bint, 7z a -trar -r archivename foldername |
| 12:57.25 | alain_ | jel, I can install it since 2 years, there is more recent printer of this series supported (mfc-9500), I just want to help other users who have the same printer (and for me in the future) |
| 12:58.53 | jel | alain_: http://www.openprinting.org/printers/upload and http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting/database/howtocontribute |
| 12:58.54 | alain_ | the .deb exist for years on the constructor website :/ |
| 12:59.13 | alain_ | ok thanks :) |
| 12:59.23 | alain_ | howtocontribute, :) |
| 12:59.24 | jel | alain_, there may be license issues with the official driver, not the same as having cups drivers built-in |
| 12:59.38 | alain_ | ok |
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| 13:01.59 | trebor_dki | sorry i am not familiar with shell-scripting (i need parens). i try to find out why iso-scan does not find my iso-files. in iso-scan.postinst i find multiple log-commands which would give me hints, but those messages do not appear at the main-screen (which $dev were mounted, which isos were found etc)? |
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| 13:08.34 | bint | [13:57] <jel> bint, 7z a -trar -r archivename foldername - thank you jel |
| 13:08.48 | bint | i think 7z can't pack rar and i missed the -r command :) |
| 13:08.57 | bint | i'm using now tzip - works |
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| 13:11.31 | jel | bint: there is an actual rar command if you want to make rar files. I don't see much point though; 7z / zip / bzip2 are much more standard/better. I only ever extract rar files. |
| 13:11.46 | petemc | pirate! |
| 13:11.55 | jel | shush pete ;) |
| 13:12.01 | petemc | :) |
| 13:12.19 | jel | purely for medicinal purposes :) |
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| 13:15.02 | greycat | So, with the new DHCP client package in 6.0.1, why are my exit-scripts not being executed, and what do I need to do to GET them to execute? |
| 13:15.10 | jel | How's things pete? Still working downtown? |
| 13:15.47 | petemc | am indeed, if you can call it work |
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| 13:16.58 | jel | :) |
| 13:17.20 | greycat | When I edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-exit-hooks.d/debug and change no to yes to make it run, it does not run, as evidenced by the fact that there are no files created in /tmp. Also, the script I *really* want to run, which does my DNS update, does not run. |
| 13:19.18 | pbn | Hi, trying to use virt-manager with qemu-kvm on Debian 6.0. When I start virt-manager it always has a popup saying "Unable to open a connection tot he libvirt management daemon". However I can see in ps aux that the libvirtd is running... any idea ? |
| 13:20.51 | jel | greycat, are you using that networkmanager monstrosity? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=446631 |
| 13:21.08 | Rodensky | what cmd do i type in order to get the system version? |
| 13:21.18 | greycat | No, I am not. |
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| 13:21.34 | eptalon | heyas |
| 13:21.35 | jel | Rodensky, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:21.44 | Rodensky | thank you |
| 13:22.21 | jel | Rodensky, and/or "uname -r" and/or dpkg -l libc6 etc., depending on what exactly you want to know. |
| 13:22.26 | greycat | adds set -x and exec 2>>log and learns something. |
| 13:22.32 | eptalon | how do I backup/image a jfs partition? - is there anything more elaborate like dd if=..? (like exists with ntfs, or xfs?) |
| 13:22.37 | greycat | There is an /etc/dhcp3/ and an /etc/dhcp/ directory. |
| 13:22.45 | Rodensky | jel, cat /etc/debian_version gives me the number (6.0.1), i need its name |
| 13:22.47 | greycat | Apparently the /sbin/dhclient-script is using /etc/dhcp/ now. |
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| 13:23.19 | jjp | eptalon: what's wrong with dd ? Why should there be a fs type specific tool ? |
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| 13:23.27 | greycat | Rodensky: squeeze |
| 13:23.52 | Rodensky | greycat, thank you |
| 13:23.55 | jel | Rodensky: yes, 6 = squeeze. Release names are here: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 13:24.07 | Rodensky | thank you jel |
| 13:24.21 | eptalon | jjp: 200GB image file? |
| 13:24.38 | greycat | So, um, why are there parallel directory structures /etc/dhcp/ and /etc/dhcp3/ which have the *exact* same things in them by default, and when did Debian switch from one to the other silently? |
| 13:24.52 | eptalon | jjp: if only half of that is used, I am wasting like 100GB on "free space"? |
| 13:25.45 | eptalon | jjp: there are tools for xfs, and ntfs, and probably ext2/3/4; why wouldn't there be for jfs? |
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| 13:26.26 | jel | jjp, dd copies blocks; doesn't know much about filesystems |
| 13:26.44 | eptalon | jel: hence my question |
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| 13:28.22 | themill | greycat: /etc/dhcp3 appeared during 2->3 transition; maintainers decided it wasn't such a great plan after all so it went away for the 3->4 transition. And it's not that silent... but the orphaned conffile problem hits by leaving the cruft around. |
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| 13:28.25 | greycat | *phew* now I can put the second mouse and keyboard away... there goes another 20 minutes I'll never get back... |
| 13:28.49 | greycat | themill: All I know is that when I booted this morning and did the 6.0.1 update and booted again, things BROKE. |
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| 13:28.56 | lizsac | you'll never get it back |
| 13:29.03 | lizsac | but you can make the next 20min betters |
| 13:29.34 | jel | eptalon, right, wasn't reading the whole discussion. You might consider bup -- supposedly it can store small binary diffs to make snapshots, would be very efficient for a large FS at block-level. Not sure how well tested it is. |
| 13:29.36 | greycat | It would be nice if I could track down *precisely* what happened and figure out how to document this for the next poor bastard who gets hit by it, who may not be as capable as I am of fixing it. |
| 13:29.57 | greycat | Also I suppose I should remove my debugging code from /sbin/dhclient-script |
| 13:30.10 | jjp | eptalon: you can compress the output of dd |
| 13:30.41 | eptalon | jel: wasn't that for files? |
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| 13:31.04 | jel | jjp, compression would probably be worse for a backup though; it would make incremental snapshots bigger. |
| 13:31.23 | themill | greycat: oh? I hadn't noticed a dhcp change from 6.0.0 to 6.0.1... /me investigates |
| 13:31.43 | eptalon | what I want to do is have an "image" of the partition, before I reuse the disk. |
| 13:31.55 | jel | eptalon, bup? On unix, devices are files, only problem is the binary size and nature of the backup snapshots, which bup would solve. |
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| 13:31.58 | greycat | I don't know for sure that it happened in 6.0.1. If my IP didn't change, then I would not have noticed since the DNS would still have had my old IP. |
| 13:32.17 | jel | eptalon, oh, if that's all then yes, just dd + compress it |
| 13:32.27 | jjp | jel: ok, didn't realise eptalon was looking for a recurrent backup solution |
| 13:32.41 | jel | jjp, he's not, I'm confusing him :D |
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| 13:33.00 | eptalon | jjp: a noce-only operation before reusing the disk |
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| 13:34.15 | jjp | eptalon: so a dd piped to bzip2 should do it |
| 13:34.31 | eptalon | jjp: I will nevertheless try bup. |
| 13:34.34 | jjp | eptalon: will take some time though |
| 13:34.40 | eptalon | jjp: yes. |
| 13:34.50 | eptalon | bbl |
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| 13:35.41 | bilm | simonrvn: it seems the NFS problems are due to localhost not working |
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| 13:39.07 | \3TATUK | Link to new debian package inclusion suggestion page, please? |
| 13:39.24 | abrotman | ? |
| 13:39.27 | abrotman | !wnpp |
| 13:39.27 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp (refinable list at http://wnpp.debian.net/). Use wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
| 13:39.31 | bilm | Can someone help me to get 'localhost' working again? /etc/hosts seems to be OK |
| 13:39.48 | remoteCTRL1 | hi guys! can you please point me the way on howto autofs with ldap on squeeze? |
| 13:39.50 | themill | dpkg: tell \3TATUK about cross-post |
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| 13:40.32 | \3TATUK | Thank you thmill.... that page is always hard to find from memory.. should be displayed more prominently |
| 13:41.07 | \3TATUK | my suggestion: http://gnaural.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 13:41.21 | remoteCTRL1 | !autofs |
| 13:41.21 | dpkg | autofs is a kernel-based automounter that mounts remote shares when directories are accessed. See http://wiki.debian.org/AutoFs and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/127. Some regard it as a hackish p.o.s. and the 5 minute default timeout for unmounting is unlikely to be what you want. If you are looking for hotplugging support for USB storage, then ask me about <automount> instead. |
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| 13:42.05 | \3TATUK | Err, themill, are new suggestions closed? |
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| 13:42.21 | themill | why would they be? |
| 13:42.38 | remoteCTRL1 | !automount |
| 13:42.38 | dpkg | If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <halevt>, <ivman> or <usb mount>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>. |
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| 13:43.52 | \3TATUK | themill: just wondering whether you know if they happen to be closed or not. i can't see where to make a new entry... |
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| 13:44.29 | themill | \3TATUK: maybe you should read what dpkg told you about "rfp" |
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| 13:46.09 | greycat | Hmm... VERY bizarre... /var/lib/dpkg/info/dhcp3-client.list has the filenames /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-exit-hooks.d/debug (etc.) in it. |
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| 13:48.39 | greycat | oh, hmm, I have both dhcp3-client and isc-dhcp-client packages |
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| 13:50.41 | greycat | What's the easiest way to find out which versions of which packages were in point-release 6.0 vs point-release 6.0.1? |
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| 13:52.44 | antihero | Howdy. I removed gnome-desktop and now eth0, eth1 are not showing up in /dev |
| 13:53.41 | greycat | ... were they supposed to? |
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| 13:53.47 | DustyDingo | hi |
| 13:53.52 | greycat | They never have for me. |
| 13:54.28 | DustyDingo | where do i find a file with a list of installed packages (not dpkg-query output)? |
| 13:54.32 | jel | antihero, NICs don't show in /dev; they're defined in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:54.41 | OMAHM | How can I prevent apt-get from updating packages, I need php5.2 and have this installed from dotdeb.org but when I go to install php5-gd it updates to php5.3 |
| 13:54.44 | greycat | OK, for now, I am just going to assume that the transition from /etc/dhcp3/ to /etc/dhcp/ happened during 6.0 and I never noticed until now because my IP address had not changed until now. |
| 13:54.45 | jel | antihero, and listed with ifconfig |
| 13:54.55 | greycat | DustyDingo: dpkg -l |
| 13:54.57 | jel | and/or ip |
| 13:55.03 | DustyDingo | greycat: ... |
| 13:55.06 | DustyDingo | greycat: a file |
| 13:55.10 | DustyDingo | in /var/ for e.g. |
| 13:55.17 | greycat | DustyDingo: dpkg -l > afile |
| 13:55.32 | antihero | jel: Ok, running ifconfig eth0 up, then running dhclient eth0 just leaves it waiting |
| 13:55.39 | DustyDingo | please, don't assume, that i am stupid ;) |
| 13:55.44 | greycat | DustyDingo: if you insist on doing dpkg's work manually, you can parse /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 13:55.50 | DustyDingo | k |
| 13:55.52 | scottuss | OMAHM, synaptic can pin packages |
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| 13:55.59 | themill | DustyDingo: how about you tell us what you're actually trying to do so we don't have to play "guess the question" |
| 13:56.01 | tweek_ | !apt-pinning |
| 13:56.01 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 13:56.16 | themill | dpkg: tell OMAHM about dotdeb |
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| 13:56.42 | greycat | !ds |
| 13:56.42 | dpkg | ds was a little perl script that lists installed Debian packages in descending size order. It's available at http://wooledge.org/~greg/ds or just use this "dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size} t${Package} t${Status} n' | grep installed | sort -rg | less", or dpigs -n 500 (in the debian-goodies pkg), or "wajig size". |
| 13:57.25 | DustyDingo | i asked for a file, because i want to revocer the package list from an installation, which i can't boot into,... |
| 13:57.28 | greycat | yeah, because dpkg -query -W -f='${Installed-Size} t${Package} t${Status} n' | grep installed | sort -rg | less is so much easier to type than ds |
| 13:58.03 | greycat | DustyDingo: mount it and chroot into it? |
| 13:58.07 | OMAHM | thanks, will have a look at that.. just really annoying.. had a server up and running, installed APC and it pulled down 5.3 and killed the site :( |
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| 13:58.53 | jel | greycat: For a close approximation of ds, you can use "echo OpenOffice ; dpkg -l | grep -iv OpenOffice" ;) |
| 13:59.08 | DustyDingo | greycat: i guess the status file is just fine |
| 13:59.10 | DustyDingo | thx |
| 13:59.12 | scottuss | OMAHM, apt would have told you that the packages were being installed though surely? |
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| 13:59.50 | Rodensky | i'm trying to enter the gpg keys for several sources and i'm getting a msg "permission denied", but when i try to do it with sudo and type the correct password in order to do so, i'm getting a msg that i'm "not in the sudoers file" - how do i change that and enable for myself to enter the gpg keys? |
| 14:00.11 | themill | DustyDingo: you can point dpkg at a status file that isn't in the normal location and still use dpkg to extract the relevant data from it. (I presume you're planning to install a new system rather than trying to fix this unbootable one) |
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| 14:00.40 | tweek_ | dpkg: tell Rodensky about sudo |
| 14:00.41 | DustyDingo | yeah |
| 14:00.50 | tweek_ | or use su instead |
| 14:00.57 | scottuss | Rodensky, do it as root |
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| 14:01.17 | themill | DustyDingo: look for --admindir in "man dpkg"; you probably want your debconf database too. Also, /msg dpkg debian clone. |
| 14:01.23 | jel | Rodensky, basically you add your name and what commands you're allowed to run to /etc/sudoers, once you have root access. man sudoers |
| 14:01.27 | DustyDingo | ok, thanks |
| 14:01.31 | Rodensky | scottuss, sudo is not considered as doing it as root? |
| 14:01.50 | OMAHM | ..I thought apt-get --no-upgrade would have told it not too! sry.. bit of a noob here |
| 14:02.00 | scottuss | Rodensky, sort of. You need to be in sudoers to do stuff as root though, as you have seen from the error |
| 14:02.50 | greycat | updates http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze |
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| 14:03.03 | Rodensky | jel, i tried to open the sudoers list but in won't let me because i'm not at that list |
| 14:03.05 | jjp | Rodensky: btw, chances are that the sysop on your system now has knowledge you're trying to run things as root |
| 14:03.36 | scottuss | Rodensky, you need to edit sudoers as root |
| 14:03.37 | tweek_ | Rodensky: do you have the root password? if so, just type 'su' |
| 14:03.41 | Rodensky | jjp, i'm home, trying to use my netbook with debian on it for the first time :) |
| 14:03.42 | jel | Rodensky, you have to become root, add yourself to sudoers, THEN start using sudo, and/or disable root once sudo is setup correctly |
| 14:03.57 | jjp | Rodensky: connect as root for the initial sudoers edit |
| 14:04.00 | scottuss | Rodensky, if just anyone could edit that file, normal users could give themselves root privs |
| 14:04.32 | \3TATUK | !rfp |
| 14:04.32 | dpkg | Request For Package is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>. |
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| 14:04.42 | Rodensky | people - how do i put myself in that list if i need root permission, but i don't have it because i'm not on that list? :) |
| 14:04.44 | scottuss | Rodensky, others will surely not agree, but I'd just become root whenever I want to do something and close the session when I'm done |
| 14:04.59 | scottuss | Rodensky, you must have set a root password at setup? |
| 14:05.07 | jel | Rodensky, if you don't have root permissions on a machine, you've no right to be giving yourself sudo access |
| 14:05.09 | Rodensky | yes i have the password |
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| 14:05.13 | Rodensky | i typed correctly |
| 14:05.16 | greycat | Rodensky: they told you at least three times now. |
| 14:05.16 | scottuss | Rodensky, then type su |
| 14:05.16 | jel | Rodensky, then su |
| 14:05.21 | tweek_ | Rodensky: type 'su', enter password |
| 14:05.22 | jjp | Rodensky: su - |
| 14:05.23 | jel | and type your password, |
| 14:05.31 | jel | then visudo |
| 14:05.45 | greycat | ... and now about 8 times. |
| 14:06.15 | jel | :) |
| 14:06.29 | jel | Indeed. Think I'll get back to work :) Bye all. |
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| 14:06.42 | tweek_ | Rodensky: or, if you prefer the graphical method; run 'gksu gedit' or whatever your preferred editor is |
| 14:07.27 | scottuss | sudoers should not be edited by anything other than visudo |
| 14:07.43 | greycat | export EDITOR=whatever; visudo |
| 14:07.57 | tweek_ | scottuss: ah, ok, why? |
| 14:08.12 | ZykoticK9 | Rodensky, if you are getting a message that your user isn't in the sudoers then add your user to the sudo group |
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| 14:08.16 | jel | tweek_, visudo checks your changes so you don't save a messed up sudoers file and lock everyone out |
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| 14:08.25 | scottuss | tweek_, from sudo.ws: visudo edits the sudoers file in a safe fashion, analogous to vipw(8). visudo locks the sudoers file against multiple simultaneous edits, provides basic sanity checks, and checks for parse errors |
| 14:08.32 | Rodensky | i managed to open sudoers list. where do i ass my username? |
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| 14:08.36 | jel | tweek_, same as vipw |
| 14:08.36 | Rodensky | *add |
| 14:08.38 | Rodensky | :X |
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| 14:08.57 | TheAvatar | Hello, when I try to partition my new 3TB disk (cfdisk) I can create one big drive. But when I write the p.table, exit and reenters cfdisk, it is only 801GB. What could be the cause of that? |
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| 14:09.02 | ZykoticK9 | Rodensky, don't touch the sudoers file - add your user to the "sudo" group instead |
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| 14:09.18 | abrotman | TheAvatar: what is the file system you chose? |
| 14:09.25 | Rodensky | Zyferus, how do i do that? |
| 14:09.39 | TheAvatar | abrotman, 'Linux' in cfdisk. I want to format as ext4 afterwards, but I don't get that far |
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| 14:10.12 | jel | ZykoticK9, I don't think the sudo group is enabled by default |
| 14:10.26 | ZykoticK9 | jel, it is. |
| 14:10.29 | Rodensky | Zyferus, by mistake. |
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| 14:10.44 | ptlis | If a source package is installed via "apt-get source pkgname" where is the source installed to? I assumed it would be /usr/src or /usr/local/src but this is apparently not the case |
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| 14:11.08 | Rodensky | ZykoticK9, how do i add myself there? i opened users and groups, where do i go from there? |
| 14:11.09 | jel | ZykoticK9, ok :) Wonder who added "Uncomment to allow members of group sudo..." to my file then? ;) |
| 14:11.24 | ZykoticK9 | jel, oh damb - maybe your right! |
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| 14:11.50 | scottuss | Just checked, it isn't enabled here either |
| 14:12.01 | ZykoticK9 | Rodensky, "su -" then "usermod -Ga sudo YOURUSERNAME" should work. |
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| 14:12.31 | jel | Also, it's better to add very specific rules if that's all you need. Adding full sudo privileges is a much more blunt instrument than adding the ability to run one script that updates your website permissions, for instance. |
| 14:12.40 | ZykoticK9 | Rodensky, looks like you do need to edit sudoers to uncomment to group section as well! |
| 14:13.31 | tweek_ | let me take this opportunity to ask everyone: do most of you use su or sudo? |
| 14:13.37 | ZykoticK9 | Rodensky, I came into this conversation half way in - if you don't need general "sudo" powers then using jel's info above is probably better. |
| 14:13.39 | Rodensky | ZykoticK9... chinese :| |
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| 14:14.17 | Rodensky | i want to be able to change stuff like i did on ubuntu, without all these permissions for permissions |
| 14:14.23 | tweek_ | Rodensky: have you tried just typing 'su' yet? it means you become root |
| 14:14.32 | jel | Rodensky, just run visudo, duplicate the line that says root ALL=(ALL) ALL, and change the duplicate to have your username instead of root. Save, quit, job done. Check man sudoers for more details if you're stuck. |
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| 14:15.05 | Bartzy|work | Hi, |
| 14:15.24 | Bartzy|work | 00 20-6 * * * will run from 20:00 to 6:00 ? Or I need to do 00 20-23,0-6 * * * ? |
| 14:15.26 | jel | Rodensky, if anything sudo is more complex than su. |
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| 14:15.49 | jel | Rodensky, it's designed to give more fine-grained control -- i.e., more permissions |
| 14:16.11 | tweek_ | Rodensky, just to clarify: you don't need sudo, you can use su |
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| 14:17.12 | Rodensky | tweek_, with su i still get "permission denied" |
| 14:17.22 | Rodensky | too many people with too many ways, i'm confused ;\ |
| 14:17.52 | tweek_ | Rodensky: su means you become root, sudo means you do something with temporary root privileges |
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| 14:18.08 | lord_rob | sudo su |
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| 14:18.24 | Rodensky | tweek_, that's nice, but it's not what the system says... |
| 14:18.29 | tweek_ | you type 'su'; then it says permission denied? it should ask you for your root password |
| 14:19.05 | lord_rob | tweek_: not if the root account is disabled |
| 14:19.20 | Rodensky | tweek_, i'm typing su and it asks for the password, so i type it correctly, and then when i'm trying to do something, it says "permission denied" |
| 14:19.49 | lord_rob | Rodensky: try sudo su |
| 14:20.00 | tweek_ | ok, just to make sure, after you became root, the $ at the shell promt is a #, right? |
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| 14:20.25 | Rodensky | no, it stays $ |
| 14:20.34 | lord_rob | that's what I'm doing with a Ubuntu live CD I use as a rescue disk |
| 14:20.48 | themill | dpkg, no, sudoers is <reply>From squeeze onwards, you can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding yourself to the "sudo" group: "adduser your_username sudo". For lenny, you can use <visudo> to add 'your_username ALL=(ALL) ALL'. See the man pages indicated by "apropos sudo" for more information. |
| 14:20.48 | dpkg | themill: okay |
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| 14:20.57 | tweek_ | lord_rob: sudo is not set up by default, so this won't work on debian |
| 14:21.27 | Rodensky | and i know that the password is correct because it doesn't say that it isn't and i chose a very simple password untill i'll learn these things and then set a normal pass |
| 14:21.30 | lord_rob | ah yes indeed |
| 14:21.32 | themill | Bartzy|work: given how long you've been asking, you could have tried it yourself by now... |
| 14:21.47 | tweek_ | Rodensky: ok, after you type the password, it doesn't say anything but stays '$'? |
| 14:21.59 | Rodensky | tweek_, correct, it still doens't |
| 14:22.05 | Rodensky | *doesn't |
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| 14:23.43 | tweek_ | hm, what you describe is not the expected behavior |
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| 14:25.24 | tweek_ | um, and the name in the shell also stays the same, e.g rodensky@debian, not root@debian? |
| 14:25.37 | Rodensky | tweek_, yes |
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| 14:25.54 | tweek_ | is that a fresh squeeze install, with gnome desktop and so on? |
| 14:26.01 | Rodensky | yes |
| 14:26.09 | Rodensky | i installed it today |
| 14:26.18 | tweek_ | i'm a bit at a loss here, but you could try applications -> accessories -> root terminal |
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| 14:26.34 | tweek_ | i think there is something like that |
| 14:26.38 | Rodensky | i opened it |
| 14:26.44 | Rodensky | and it is root |
| 14:27.44 | babilen | Rodensky: Could you please try the following and paste commands and output to http://paste.debian.net? "whoami" "su root" "whoami" |
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| 14:28.36 | babilen | Rodensky: Additionally also try the following: "whoami" "sudo -i" (give your user's password) and "whoami" |
| 14:28.45 | pmurias | is it possible to reinstall debian over ssh? |
| 14:28.45 | Rodensky | babilen, from the root terminal or from the regular one? |
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| 14:29.03 | babilen | Rodensky: From a regular one |
| 14:29.35 | babilen | Rodensky: Did you specify a root password during the installation? |
| 14:30.04 | Rodensky | yes |
| 14:30.12 | babilen | ok (just checking) |
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| 14:32.43 | bilm | What's wrong if 127.0.0.1 can't be pinged? |
| 14:32.52 | bilm | (or otherwise reached) |
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| 14:32.58 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 14:33.52 | AthomIk | bilm iptables ? |
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| 14:34.13 | eptalon | if I do 'dd if=/some/device of=-|bzip2 > somefile' will that first read all blocks beofre starting bzip2? |
| 14:34.23 | Rodensky | i entered the software center and i press on "remove" for several softwares, but nothing seems to happen |
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| 14:34.37 | Rodensky | the remove button just goes back to normal, without anything removed |
| 14:35.03 | babilen | Rodensky: No output? |
| 14:35.05 | achadwick | tarzeau: let me know if upstream can be of any help for the new mypaint stable :) |
| 14:35.06 | bilm | AthomIk: ? |
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| 14:35.13 | Rodensky | babilen, nothing |
| 14:35.41 | AthomIk | bilm wrong firewall config, i you have internet and can't ping 127.0.0.1 |
| 14:35.44 | Rodensky | i don't get it. if i don't have any permission on my own machine and i can't get permission because i need permission in order to do so, then how am i suppose to use my netbook? |
| 14:35.48 | babilen | Rodensky: That can't be true. Please paste the complete shell session in which you enter the commands I gave you and the output (if any) |
| 14:36.01 | bilm | AthomIk: I have no firewall installed, I'm on a LAN |
| 14:36.09 | Rodensky | babilen, a sec |
| 14:36.11 | anddam | can you suggest me what font to install in order to have a better experience with chromium? |
| 14:36.20 | babilen | bilm: "ifconfig -a" â does it contain "lo" ? |
| 14:36.35 | bilm | yes |
| 14:36.38 | anddam | atm I have "times new roman"-"sans"-"monospace" for serif-sans serif-fixed |
| 14:36.55 | bilm | lo Link encap:Local Loopback LOOPBACK MTU:16436 Metric:1 |
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| 14:37.00 | Rodensky | babilen, when i type "whoami", all i get is "rodensky" |
| 14:37.23 | matte3560 | Hi guys. I need some help making an init script LSB compliant. It's just a simple script to mount a tmpfs filesystem and copy some files to it, but i have no clue where to start. I can post the script if you want to see it. I'm currently looking at this http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts but im not entirely sure what to do. |
| 14:37.33 | bilm | I'm not 100% sure this is the right config, though. But it looks OK, doesn't it? |
| 14:37.51 | tweek_ | Rodensky, do all of what babilen requested, copy and paste from the terminal to pastebin |
| 14:38.00 | babilen | Rodensky: Yes, wonderful. Please paste *all* the commands and their output to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 14:38.34 | Rodensky | babilen, there's nothing to paste, i get only "rodensky" |
| 14:38.36 | Rodensky | that's all |
| 14:38.38 | babilen | Rodensky: You know, I can't see your screen from here and my crystal ball is unfortunately in repair. |
| 14:38.46 | Rodensky | ^ |
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| 14:39.26 | babilen | Rodensky: I asked about the following: 1. "whoami" + "su" + "whoami" *and* 2. (in a new shell) "whoami" "sudo -i" "whoami" |
| 14:39.43 | AthomIk | bilm: strange error... how are the lo in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 14:40.14 | Rodensky | babilen, when i type whoami and then sudo -i, i get "rodensky in not in the sudoers list. this incident will be reported" |
| 14:40.15 | bilm | AthomIk: I didn't paste an error |
| 14:40.23 | bilm | I pasted the first 2 lines of output of ifconfig lo |
| 14:40.33 | themill | Rodensky: please pastebin the entire session. |
| 14:40.35 | babilen | Rodensky: Please, paste *everything* you get and type and wahtever to the pastebin |
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| 14:40.59 | bilm | in /etc/network/interfaces there is: auto lo\niface lo inet loopback |
| 14:41.00 | pmurias | i have a machine with a really old debian (etch?) and i want to upgrade/reinstall to a new debian version, how should i do that? |
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| 14:41.02 | babilen | Rodensky: (err, don't paste your password, just the exact commands) ... In other words: The complete session |
| 14:41.13 | Rodensky | yes i got thst |
| 14:41.15 | Rodensky | *that |
| 14:41.21 | tweek_ | Rodensky: let me give you an example: http://paste.debian.net/plain/111464 |
| 14:41.46 | pmurias | is it possible to reinstall debian over ssh? |
| 14:42.02 | AthomIk | bilm can you ping you re ip or other ip |
| 14:42.13 | babilen | pmurias: Upgrade to lenny first and then squeeze. The process is detailed in the release notes for lenny and squeeze. /msg dpkg etch->lenny ; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 14:42.48 | bilm | AthomIk: I can reach all other machines on the LAN normally |
| 14:42.53 | bolt-work_ | eptalon: no |
| 14:43.10 | AthomIk | bilm and localhost ? |
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| 14:43.20 | Rodensky | tweek_, that's the same thing i did, and for the first time now i got "root" with # |
| 14:43.29 | Rodensky | like i should be |
| 14:43.32 | bilm | AthomIk: not localhost, it's resolved to 127.0.0.1 and that one doesn't work, as I said :) |
| 14:43.37 | pmurias | babilen: how can i check if it is really etch or something older? |
| 14:43.58 | Rodensky | oh, sorry, i meant babilen |
| 14:44.07 | bilm | pmurias: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:44.24 | pmurias | 3.1 |
| 14:44.30 | AthomIk | bilm, yes and you re /etc/hosts ? :) |
| 14:44.32 | bilm | that's older |
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| 14:44.49 | Rodensky | how do i add myself to sudoers list? |
| 14:44.55 | petemc | visudo |
| 14:44.57 | bilm | AthomIk: isn't that about resolving, and not about 127.0.0.1 being actually working? |
| 14:45.26 | Rodensky | petemc, i'm in nano. what am i suppose to change there? |
| 14:45.34 | babilen | pmurias: That's sarge. Add "Upgrade from sarge to etch" to the list. It might actually be much easier to create a backup and install squeeze from scratch. |
| 14:46.07 | petemc | Rodensky: depends what you want to achieve, i would recomment reading some documentation before doing anything |
| 14:46.07 | babilen | Rodensky: I can't tell you what you've done wrong before. |
| 14:46.32 | babilen | !tell Rodensky -about sudo |
| 14:46.35 | babilen | !tell Rodensky -about sudoers |
| 14:46.48 | babilen | Rodensky: Also read "man sudoers" and the wiki page |
| 14:47.20 | Rodensky | petemc, i want to be able to upgrade/update/install/remove like i did in ubuntu, no permissions for permission every time i need to do something |
| 14:47.41 | ddan | debian != ubuntu |
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| 14:47.47 | pmurias | babilen: i would really prefer to do that (as i'm not really a system admin) but can i do that over ssh? |
| 14:47.58 | AthomIk | bilm see /etc/hosts.deny |
| 14:48.13 | bolt-work | Rodensky: then add yourself to the list, and allow access to apt-get, aptitude or whatever you preferred tool to do that job is |
| 14:48.17 | unicum | my shell doesn't seem to find grub-install (also not in /sbin), but i need it to make some d*mn usb-stick bootable. ideas? |
| 14:48.34 | babilen | pmurias: Do what? |
| 14:48.37 | bolt-work | unicum: /usr/sbin/ |
| 14:48.53 | pmurias | babilen: install squeeze? |
| 14:48.58 | Rodensky | bolt-work, i got that already, i need to know how to, not what to |
| 14:49.08 | tweek_ | Rodensky: as far as i recall, you can't just upgrade the system without entering a password in ubuntu either |
| 14:49.11 | babilen | !tell pmurias -about install guide |
| 14:49.11 | tweek_ | that would be insane |
| 14:49.41 | unicum | bolt-work: THX, that does it! |
| 14:49.43 | Rodensky | tweek_, i need my password and that's all. i don't need there permissions for permissions and all this headache |
| 14:49.45 | bolt-work | tweek_: he just wants to be able to do so with sudo, not to remove the password... i think |
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| 14:50.14 | Rodensky | bolt-work, +1 |
| 14:50.38 | babilen | pmurias: You can more or less install over the network (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#network-console) but I would still recommend to make sure you have physical access to the machine. |
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| 14:50.45 | Rodensky | and through the gui, without having to mess with the terminal every time |
| 14:50.59 | bolt-work | Rodensky: you *could* just stuff "Rodensky ALL=(ALL) ALL" in there, but it's better to read the manual and know what it actually means |
| 14:51.01 | anddam | are there suggested fonts in squeeze? I can't see times new roman in gnome font picker even if that is chromium-browser default |
| 14:51.17 | babilen | Rodensky: Why don't you at least take a look at the wiki page and the rest of the documentation I pointed out? |
| 14:51.29 | Combatjuan | If there's a better channel for apt-get questions, please redirect me. How do I trick apt-get into thinking I don't have a package installed? (The pre/post remove scripts fail because files are missing or something and I can't get rid of it) |
| 14:51.30 | matte3560 | would this script work? http://62.101.223.38/files/ramdisk.sh |
| 14:51.39 | Rodensky | bolt-work, i don't care what it means, i need to work with this computer, not on it. my work is the computer.... |
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| 14:51.57 | Rodensky | *is not |
| 14:51.59 | bolt-work | Rodensky: you should still know what you're doing |
| 14:52.02 | Rodensky | not!! :) |
| 14:52.07 | babilen | Rodensky: Just a glimpse, a tiny blink of an eye? You'll probbaly end up with "rodensky ALL=(ALL) ALL" but *please* educate yourself. |
| 14:52.07 | themill | Rodensky: the "headache" here is that you are not helping us help you. By not showing output that is requested, we can't know what's wrong. Everything we want to know is filtered through your "it said nothing" version of events that means we can't provide any useful advice. |
| 14:52.20 | ddan | what about reinstall ubuntu? lol |
| 14:52.38 | themill | babilen: if this is really a fresh squeeze install (?) then "adduser username sudo" is sufficient; no visudo necessary. |
| 14:52.55 | tweek_ | Rodensky: maybe i'm wrong here (not using gnome), but from what i recall, you don't have to set up sudo in order to have graphical applications prompt for the password when you do something |
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| 14:53.06 | tweek_ | it's just the root password you enter, like with gksu |
| 14:53.06 | babilen | themill: Ah, wonderful. |
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| 14:53.10 | tweek_ | am i wrong here? |
| 14:53.15 | TaMonKein | tweek_, you arent |
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| 14:53.56 | bilm | AthomIk: what about hosts.deny? Oh, wait, it seems to be corrupted here |
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| 14:54.18 | themill | Rodensky: this should be a 10s job to fix this. 30s if you need to ask us first. Fighting for an entire hour to get coherent details out of you is quite boring for everyone involved. |
| 14:54.27 | Rodensky | bolt-work, i'm a dummy and i don't mind to stay that way as long as everything is working the way i want it to work. i don't care about computers not do i have any desire to learn about them, but it's a must sometimes, so i prefer to enter the chat instead of letting someone else to take care of things, but i don't care how it works "behind the scenes" |
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| 14:54.37 | kanneblei | hey all. I'm having some issues with debootstrap. I tried creating a foreign image for s390 locally (on my x86), then bzip2'ing it and sending it to the target system, and running the second stage, but am getting a: 'debootstrap --second-stage |
| 14:54.38 | kanneblei | cat: /usr/share/debootstrap/suite: No such file or directory' error. Any ideas? |
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| 14:54.57 | Rodensky | *nor do i |
| 14:54.57 | plm | Hi all |
| 14:55.09 | tweek_ | Rodensky: out of curiousity, why did you switch from ubuntu to debian? |
| 14:55.10 | ddan | Rodensky, i suggest you to reinstall ubuntu. debian is not what you're looking for |
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| 14:55.25 | bilm | AthomIk: I removed it and it is now newly generated |
| 14:55.29 | plm | people, is possible to block in sshd just for one user can't to log via ssh? how? |
| 14:55.39 | babilen | Rodensky: Please also note themill's note on the "sudo" group earlier |
| 14:55.40 | Combatjuan | If I just edit /var/lib/dpkg/status and remove all the lines pertaining to this package (postgresql-8.4) will that make apt stop caring about trying to fix postgres? It's status in that file is "install ok installed". |
| 14:55.41 | plm | *to login |
| 14:55.42 | saturne | hello. i've a strange problem. 2 machines on the same datacenter on the same switch, have their own public ip. On alias eth0:0 i've a local ip 192.168.45.1 and 2. if i try to make a mysql connection it work fine with public ip, it work fine. If i try to make a connection (mysql) with local ip (192.168.45.X), it's very very very slow. ping with local ip: 0.151 ms, 0% loss. mtr for sure, no routeur, it's direct. have an idea? |
| 14:55.46 | jelly | ddan: remember to wave your hand saying that |
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| 14:56.07 | bolt-work | Rodensky: thing is, you could end up configuring something very insecure using that mentality, and some random tips from google. your computer will likely work until you accidentally delete the whole thing, or a hacker who easily got full access does it for you |
| 14:56.08 | babilen | Rodensky: "adduser rodensky sudo" might be all you need. (read "man adduser") |
| 14:56.09 | ddan | jelly, lol |
| 14:56.29 | Rodensky | tweek_, i switched as a part of trying other systems, because ubuntu is not working for me anymore. in the last two years it's patched up like windows. if i wanted windows, i'd go back to it |
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| 14:56.56 | AthomIk | bilm: you re hosts.deny is auto generated ? |
| 14:57.00 | eptalon | Rodensky: debian may have a different user experience though |
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| 14:57.13 | AthomIk | bilm use you portsentry or other security software ? |
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| 14:57.40 | Rodensky | eptalon, that's ok, it's not the first time i'm moving to a new system :) |
| 14:57.50 | jhutchins_lt | Rodensky: Windows sounds like an excellent choice for you - no need to learn any underlying systems. |
| 14:58.10 | ddan | +1 |
| 14:58.38 | bolt-work | jhutchins_lt: until you set up filesharing to "just work" and disable UAC because that makes other things "just work" and then install a few random programs because they might "just work" |
| 14:58.49 | bolt-work | jhutchins_lt: suddenly it stops just working :) |
| 14:58.59 | Rodensky | jhutchins_lt - bolt-work +1!! |
| 14:59.16 | bilm | AthomIk: none, it got regenerated after restarting network-manager |
| 14:59.51 | saturne | very strange, on the machine who host mysql, mysql -h 127.0.0.1 OK, mysql -h 192.168.45.2 (his own alias ip), very very slow |
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| 14:59.57 | AthomIk | bilm: i don't use network-manager |
| 15:00.13 | AthomIk | bilm: /etc/hosts.deny is empty ? |
| 15:00.43 | tweek_ | Rodensky: just to make sure, if you try to install something via the software center or synaptic, doesn't it ask you for the (root) password? |
| 15:00.53 | bilm | AthomIk: the file is not there, hosts.deny. What should I put in hosts.allow? |
| 15:00.59 | Rodensky | i found linux in general way simpler then windows, and i already got others to immigrate to different distros :-) |
| 15:01.18 | bilm | AthomIk: argh, I was mistaken. Hosts.deny is not auto-generated. It's now gone |
| 15:01.21 | Rodensky | tweek_, it doesn't ask for anything, it just doesn't do anything |
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| 15:01.23 | lelu | hmm i have a java process which appears to be using 56-76% cpu however top says the Cpus us% is 6.7 and 92% is id |
| 15:01.28 | lelu | any ideas? |
| 15:01.29 | bilm | AthomIk: hosts.deny is only comments |
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| 15:01.33 | pmurias | babilen: would installing debian with the help of an untrained person to insert the cd etc. be easier then a network install? |
| 15:01.36 | tweek_ | Rodensky: synaptic as well? |
| 15:01.49 | Rodensky | wait, i'll try synaptic |
| 15:01.58 | AthomIk | bilm yes this file can be empty, hosts.allow too |
| 15:02.08 | babilen | pmurias: Probably, it is still a good idea to have some means to get physical access to the machine. |
| 15:02.19 | AthomIk | bilm you use wifi ? |
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| 15:02.51 | pmurias | babilen: there is a person i can ask for a reboot |
| 15:03.04 | bilm | AthomIk: nope |
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| 15:03.16 | K1ng | hi |
| 15:03.33 | K1ng | chmod 777 means everyone read and write? |
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| 15:03.43 | AthomIk | bilm i think you can try remove network-manager |
| 15:03.45 | pmurias | or i could ask a guy with zero linux experience to do the install and tell him what to do |
| 15:03.52 | gartral_ | hey, anyone around with Debian-ARM experience? I got the debian arm build from bentolinux too boot, but now i'm having all kinds of trouble.. I can't login with gnome, and i can't ping localhost so some daemons are installing bad. please help |
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| 15:04.01 | peet | hi everyone |
| 15:04.04 | babilen | pmurias: That helps -- How long would it take *you* to get there? I don't mean that you can't achieve what you are after, just that it is always better to be on the safe side. |
| 15:04.10 | bolt-work | !greet peet |
| 15:04.10 | dpkg | Hello, peet |
| 15:04.11 | bolt-work | :D |
| 15:04.11 | Rodensky | tweek_, synaptic does not ask for anything. it did what i wanted |
| 15:04.12 | tweek_ | K1ng: and execute |
| 15:04.31 | K1ng | ah |
| 15:04.33 | peet | I get some problem |
| 15:04.46 | Rodensky | and it says on top "...(as superuser) |
| 15:04.51 | bolt-work | peet: just ask. the channel, not me. don't ask to ask :) |
| 15:05.05 | bilm | AthomIk: OK, trying |
| 15:05.14 | peet | I try to make a samba server for windows user |
| 15:05.38 | tweek_ | Rodensky: great, so this will work for you, installing things with synaptic, right? |
| 15:05.47 | pmurias | babilen: about 4+ hours |
| 15:05.49 | bilm | AthomIk: and then? |
| 15:05.51 | Rodensky | tweek_, but i want software denter to work :\ |
| 15:06.01 | Rodensky | *center |
| 15:06.08 | AthomIk | bilm: ping 127.0.0.1 |
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| 15:07.57 | bolt-work | peet: aptitude install samba, read manual, configure smb.conf |
| 15:08.02 | peet | I have home folder for each user and pubile for share every thing |
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| 15:08.34 | tweek_ | Rodensky: try <alt+f2>, run 'gksu debian-software-center' |
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| 15:08.50 | tweek_ | or something like that, i'm not sure whether it's called that |
| 15:09.09 | peet | so I set the sercute=user |
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| 15:09.49 | bolt-work | peet: if you spelled it like that, it won't work very well :) |
| 15:09.51 | Rodensky | tweek_: "sh: debian software center: not found" |
| 15:10.09 | bolt-work | peet: also, try putting your entire question in one line |
| 15:10.17 | bolt-work | !tell peet -about enter |
| 15:10.22 | Rodensky | i copied it wrong |
| 15:10.30 | Rodensky | tweek_: "sh: debian-software-center: not found" |
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| 15:11.29 | s5s | I did an "$ aptitude install" command and it froze and I ^C it. Now I get the Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) how can I fix that? |
| 15:11.56 | tweek_ | ok, the name is wrong, can drag a launcher from the menu entry to the desktop and check in it's properties what the command is called? |
| 15:12.00 | peet | how to make somone who is nonuser can read the pubilc folder |
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| 15:12.06 | bilm | AthomIk: I stll can't ping it |
| 15:12.32 | peet | or call gust user |
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| 15:13.00 | Rodensky | tweek_, it's /usr/bin/software-center |
| 15:13.11 | peet | sorry for teping error |
| 15:13.16 | tweek_ | ok, so try running 'gksu software-center' |
| 15:13.17 | peet | typing |
| 15:14.11 | AthomIk | bilm: restart networking after remove network-manager |
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| 15:14.43 | bolt-work | peet: "guest ok = yes" in the share definition does it, i think |
| 15:14.48 | bilm | AthomIk: that gives errors that it is deprecated and then fails: failed to open statefile /etc/network/run/ifstate: Not a directory |
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| 15:14.51 | bolt-work | peet: there's also #samba and the manual btw |
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| 15:15.22 | Rodensky | tweek_, i'm getting the software center as superuser, but i still can't remove or install anything |
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| 15:15.48 | peet | I had set guest ok=ok but don't work |
| 15:16.15 | peet | still have to enter password |
| 15:16.20 | bolt-work | peet: "guest ok = yes" |
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| 15:16.24 | Axanon | I just uninstalled openoffice.org, but synaptic decided to install abiword, gnumeric and a few other packages I don't want. When I try to uninstall those pkgs, synaptic wants to reinstall openoffice. How do I remove them both? |
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| 15:18.08 | peet | axanon: use dpkg -r ? |
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| 15:19.18 | Axanon | interesting- I don't have dpkg |
| 15:19.30 | bilm | AthomIk: so, what now? |
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| 15:19.56 | MrFrood | Axanon: all debian systems have dpkg |
| 15:19.58 | babilen | Axanon: Could you paste that and also "aptitude why abiword" -- I suspect that you have the "gnome" metapackage installed but did not actually meant to isntall it. /msg dpkg remove rhythmbox |
| 15:20.13 | AthomIk | bilm: yes warning message, but network is restart ? |
| 15:20.27 | bilm | AthomIk: no, errors are shown as I pasted |
| 15:20.40 | babilen | Axanon: For a general outline of the way to deal with this. I would install a smaller metapackage (gnome-session) and "aptitude unmarkauto" everything else you want to keep. |
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| 15:21.31 | AthomIk | bilm, yes /etc/network/run/ifstate is a file not directory.... |
| 15:21.33 | babilen | peet: Please, there are typically reasons for aptitude's behaviour and you want to stay in line with the depends/recommends/suggests/... of the isntalled packages. |
| 15:21.41 | Axanon | ah it may be the gnome-office package as well. Thanks babilen |
| 15:22.06 | Axanon | MrFrood: when i type dpkg at the prompt its saying command not found. |
| 15:22.13 | bilm | AthomIk: I reinstalled ifupdown and now it restarted |
| 15:22.16 | Axanon | MrFrood: I know it *should* be there |
| 15:22.40 | babilen | Axanon: /usr/bin/dpkg ? |
| 15:22.51 | tweek_ | Rodensky: make sure no other install/update thing is going on, like synaptic, update-manger, etc, that's all i can think of, otherwise i don't know why the software center won't work. or make friends with synaptic. |
| 15:22.54 | MrFrood | Axanon: as root? |
| 15:23.28 | Rodensky | tweek_, nothing is in the background, i restarted to make sure and it's the same |
| 15:23.45 | AthomIk | bilm and you re ping 127 ? |
| 15:24.04 | bilm | AthomIk: yes,that works now, but now the rest of the networking died :) |
| 15:24.22 | AthomIk | bilm yes sometime, you must make a choice :D |
| 15:24.25 | MrFrood | Axanon: su -c 'dpkg --help' |
| 15:24.59 | bilm | AthomIk: it seems eth0 was not brought up |
| 15:25.00 | AthomIk | bilm: see /etc/network/interface, i think you use dhcp |
| 15:25.10 | AthomIk | bilm ifup eth0 |
| 15:25.10 | Rodensky | tweek_, in synaptic it won't let me uninstall anything without uninstalling gnome with it |
| 15:25.11 | Axanon | MrFrood: It is working now, I don't know why, but for some reason it didn't see dpkg. I re-logged in and its working. |
| 15:25.28 | bilm | AthomIk: I know |
| 15:25.29 | jhutchins_lt | !unmarkauto |
| 15:25.29 | dpkg | Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards). |
| 15:25.41 | bilm | AthomIk: interfaces contaisn only "allow-hotplug eth0" not "auto eth0" |
| 15:25.47 | bilm | AthomIk: I guess that's due to network manager |
| 15:26.54 | tweek_ | Rodensky: if you just want to use your computer without tinkering (as you said), there is no need to uninstall dependencies of gnome |
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| 15:27.22 | bilm | AthomIk: I guess I'll use the old way again for now |
| 15:27.22 | AthomIk | bilm configure youre interface for use dhcp no ? |
| 15:27.45 | Rodensky | tweek_, i want to uninstall ekiga, epifany or whatever it's name is, openoffice (in favor of libre), i want to uninstall the games that came with it |
| 15:27.46 | bilm | AthomIk: yeah, I just put back 'auto eth0' |
| 15:27.58 | Rodensky | i don't want evolution |
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| 15:28.16 | abrotman | you kids are still playing with him?! |
| 15:28.28 | AthomIk | bilm and it s take dhcp with only 'auto eth0' ? |
| 15:28.37 | oxman | what's the more clean way to get postgresql 9 on squeeze ? |
| 15:28.47 | bilm | AthomIk: yeah |
| 15:29.04 | abrotman | oxman: squeeze has 9 already |
| 15:29.11 | AthomIk | bilm now it's ok for you have lan and lo ? |
| 15:29.21 | oxman | The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 15:29.24 | oxman | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.26 | oxman | i'm on squeeze |
| 15:29.27 | abrotman | oh . no it doesn't? |
| 15:29.29 | abrotman | !tell oxman about bpo |
| 15:29.56 | oxman | thanks |
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| 15:30.25 | ManateeLazyCat | python-apt is cool. :) |
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| 15:33.40 | Rodensky | how to i unintall openoffice without installing abiword? |
| 15:33.57 | Rodensky | *uninstall |
| 15:34.18 | as001 | Hi I have problem with my debian server. I can not catch system process which starts occasionaly making load on my server very high. I can't see it in top or ps |
| 15:34.46 | AthomIk | is possible on cups, inkjet printer ( epson sx 215 ) haven t quota option ? |
| 15:34.50 | tweek_ | Rodensky: someone correct me if i'm wrong: your gnome applications are installed automatically as dependencies of the gnome meta package. what you would have to to is mark these applications as not automatically installed (see unmarkauto), except those you want to uninstall, and then uninstall the gnome meta package. unless disk space is tight (which it normally isn't), there's not really much reason to do so |
| 15:34.53 | as001 | top says sy(60%) but I can see only mysql eating processor time. |
| 15:35.09 | AthomIk | 3 days i search about cups quota and my epson inkjet....... |
| 15:35.10 | as001 | while user is around 30% |
| 15:35.37 | Rodensky | tweek_, that was chinese to me, and yes - my disk space is tight |
| 15:36.04 | MrFrood | as001: is top showing processes for all users including background processes? |
| 15:37.28 | as001 | I just used top command with -d to set referesh rate. I don't know |
| 15:37.45 | justin | as001: system means the kernel. |
| 15:37.56 | MrFrood | neither do I as I use htop |
| 15:38.24 | anddam | does update-alternatives work with gcc-4.3? |
| 15:38.26 | justin | Rodensky: try "apt-get remove 'openoffice.*' abiword+" |
| 15:38.49 | as001 | I know that. But why is kernel takind 60% of cpu from time to time ? |
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| 15:39.20 | as001 | MrFrood how can I include background processes in top ? |
| 15:39.21 | justin | as001: probably due to whatever mysql is doing |
| 15:39.36 | Rodensky | justin, does it uninstall both of them |
| 15:39.37 | Rodensky | ? |
| 15:39.37 | as001 | mysql is doing hard job and it is around 30% or CPU |
| 15:39.46 | MrFrood | as001: no idea I use htop |
| 15:39.51 | justin | Rodensky: no, try that, see what it does |
| 15:40.03 | as001 | whats the difference ? |
| 15:40.17 | MrFrood | as001: prettier |
| 15:40.21 | Rodensky | i would like to know what is the goal |
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| 15:40.54 | MrFrood | as001: top= text, htop - curses |
| 15:41.14 | justin | top = curses |
| 15:41.16 | as001 | Thanks I just installed htop |
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| 15:41.42 | MrFrood | justin: though top was straigh text? |
| 15:41.46 | Rodensky | right now i have openoffice and when i mark it for unintallation, synaptic forces me to install abiword. if this cmd if uninstalling ooo and installing abi, then i have done nothing |
| 15:41.56 | MrFrood | *thought |
| 15:42.53 | Rodensky | *if=is uninst. |
| 15:43.02 | MrFrood | Rodensky: it's probably something like the gnome meta-package that is causin your issues |
| 15:43.30 | justin | Rodensky: oooh |
| 15:43.31 | jhutchins_lt | Rodensky: You have something installed that requires a word processor. This requirement can be met by oo, or by abiword. |
| 15:43.39 | justin | Rodensky: "apt-get remove 'openoffice.*' abiword" |
| 15:43.46 | justin | Rodensky: read your original question backwards |
| 15:43.57 | jhutchins_lt | I believe aptitude has a "why" command that will tell you what is requiring it. |
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| 15:44.21 | Rodensky | justin, i did what you said at it wanted the same thing as synaptic did |
| 15:44.23 | as001 | MrFrood how can I increase refresh on htop ? |
| 15:44.29 | Rodensky | i don't want ooo nor abi |
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| 15:44.42 | justin | Rodensky: "apt-get remove 'openoffice.*' abiword" should do it |
| 15:44.44 | jhutchins_lt | Rodensky: Then determine what is requiring them and remove it. |
| 15:44.51 | tweek_ | Rodensky: do 'aptitude why openoffice' |
| 15:44.58 | MrFrood | as001: -d |
| 15:45.04 | jhutchins_lt | Rodensky: I rather suspect it's a desktop like gnome. |
| 15:45.05 | themill | Rodensky: please pastebin the entire output of these commands so that people can see wht it is you've done and what the result was. |
| 15:45.42 | justin | as001: 30% + 60% = 90%. What do you think increasing the refresh rate will show you? |
| 15:46.12 | Rodensky | i'm not using any cli, i'm using synaptic gui |
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| 15:46.24 | Rodensky | so i don't have any output to paste for you |
| 15:46.31 | justin | Rodensky: "apt-get remove 'openoffice.*' abiword" |
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| 15:46.51 | MrFrood | Rodensky: use the cli while trouble shooting |
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| 15:46.56 | themill | Rodensky: so how about actually running commands that people have asked you to run. At this stage, you really look like you don't want help. |
| 15:47.01 | as001 | nothing happend on d I have no place to write refresh like on top |
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| 15:47.21 | AthomIk | as001 |
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| 15:47.34 | AthomIk | in htop F6 and sort by CPU% |
| 15:47.39 | Rodensky | themill, i actually got help. till now you're the only one whos not helping, only making comments. all others helped me a lot :) |
| 15:47.51 | Rodensky | justin, it made a list of ooo packages to be removed and abi packages to be installed, so i aborted. |
| 15:47.53 | MrFrood | as001: -d DELAY, Delay between updates, in tenths of seconds |
| 15:47.54 | jhutchins_lt | Rodensky: So get a clue and use the console commands we've given you. |
| 15:48.03 | themill | Rodensky: so how about actually running commands that people have asked you to run. At this stage, you really look like you don't want help. so i don't have any output to paste for you» are consistent |
| 15:48.05 | as001 | ok |
| 15:48.14 | Rodensky | themill, i actually got help. till now you're the only one whos not helping, only making comments. all others helped me a lot :) |
| 15:48.21 | justin | Rodensky: The FIRST command I gave you would have done that, because I misread your original question. The SECOND command I gave you is different |
| 15:48.37 | Rodensky | justin, ok, a sec |
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| 15:49.10 | themill | Rodensky: it took an hour to help you do a very very simple thing because you kept refusing to actually give output or to run the commands people requested. |
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| 15:50.12 | themill | Rodensky: #debian does not have the resources to keep up with that sort of work rate. You'll find more and more people will simply ignore you and you'll not get any help at all. There are quite a few people who have a reputation as being very hard to help and they now find it difficult to get any replies to their questions at all. |
| 15:50.18 | Rodensky | themill, i'm sorry but i wil ignore you from now. if don't want to help, then don't, but please don't flood me with your useless comments. |
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| 15:50.33 | tweek_ | Rodensky: i'm leaving, just wanted to say: as others pointed out, debian probably isn't right for you, ubuntu would be if it lived up to what it promises, which it doesnt imo, so i'm really sorry but i cannot recommend either operating system to you. |
| 15:51.00 | xk | hmm |
| 15:51.01 | themill | Rodensky: These aren't useless comments. Please start cooperating with the people trying to help you or try finding your assistance elsewhere. |
| 15:51.17 | MrFrood | Rodensky: we want to help, its why we are here - but you have to co-operate too |
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| 15:51.50 | Rodensky | themill, i got the info i needed. i don't understand why are you still on my case... |
| 15:51.56 | tweek_ | also, yes, if people want to help, it's ok to use the command line ;-) |
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| 15:53.19 | Rodensky | i think i found a way to do that without your chinese cli :-) |
| 15:54.09 | justin | Rodensky: I'm sure you can do that with the GUI, but it's a lot more straightforward just telling it what to do |
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| 15:54.14 | babilen | Rodensky: If you don't speak Chinese you might want to consider a different locale. |
| 15:54.25 | justin | everytime I've tried to use aptitude or synaptic I end up installing or removing a bunch of shit I don't want |
| 15:54.28 | babilen | ah, nevermind |
| 15:54.31 | MrFrood | giggles |
| 15:54.51 | babilen | justin: That would stem from a lack of knowledge about those tools. |
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| 15:55.02 | eptalon | heyas |
| 15:55.04 | justin | babilen: or they are inferior tools |
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| 15:55.12 | babilen | justin: Not at all. |
| 15:55.32 | eptalon | are there faster solutions for reading a jfs partition than dd? |
| 15:55.34 | justin | aptitude always burns my cpu and then provides a "solution" which is not at all what I want to do, and then I go back to using apt-get which does what I tell it to do |
| 15:55.50 | MrFrood | justin: I just use aptitude on the command line, no gui |
| 15:55.50 | justin | eptalon: dd doesn't read filesystems |
| 15:55.59 | Rodensky | ehre is what i did - i looked for the gnome meta pack on synaptic and uninstalled it. after that, i could uninstall whatever i wanted :) |
| 15:56.04 | Rodensky | *here's |
| 15:56.08 | eptalon | justin: dd if=/some/blockdevide of=... |
| 15:56.22 | justin | eptalon: yes, dd reads block devices, the filesytem is irrelevant |
| 15:56.41 | eptalon | justin: yet, it looks slow to me. |
| 15:56.47 | dondelelcaro | justin: it provides multiple solutions, though... and the curses interface means that you can fix the solution must faster than specifying a solution with apt-get... |
| 15:57.09 | dondelelcaro | but whatever works |
| 15:57.10 | justin | eptalon: if the filesytem is mostly free space it will be slower than doing a filesytem level backup |
| 15:57.15 | eptalon | justin: 50G reading, and transfer over USB3 took an hour... |
| 15:57.41 | justin | dondelelcaro: in theory, it's just never worked for me :-) |
| 15:57.43 | eptalon | justin: the filesystem-level backup does not seem to exist (jfs) |
| 15:57.53 | justin | eptalon: well there is always tar or friends |
| 15:58.30 | eptalon | justin: once I have the 200G in a file, I can look at compressing that, yes. |
| 15:58.31 | jhutchins_lt | !jfs |
| 15:58.31 | dpkg | somebody said jfs was Journaled File System from IBM, licensed under the GPL. Fast and very reliable. Performance has improved significantly since initial release(s). Give it a try! http://jfs.sf.net/ |
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| 15:58.52 | justin | eptalon: doing dd if=... | lzop | of=dest may be faster |
| 15:59.03 | justin | eptalon: it could be that your destination is the bottleneck |
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| 15:59.12 | justin | eptalon: er, need another dd in there at the end |
| 15:59.29 | eptalon | justin: what does lzop do? |
| 15:59.34 | justin | eptalon: compresses, fast |
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| 16:00.13 | eptalon | justin: I read/write at like 60-80 MByte/sec |
| 16:00.29 | justin | eptalon: are you dd'ing from one partition to another on the same drive? |
| 16:00.44 | eptalon | justin: no, different drives. |
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| 16:00.57 | dondelelcaro | justin: oh, I use it all the time, so it's not just in theory... |
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| 16:01.14 | bilm | AthomIk: one problem remains: for some reason, networking isn't started at startup |
| 16:01.16 | eptalon | justin: one is connected through usb3 though (as on the internal, I don't have 200G free) |
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| 16:01.44 | justin | eptalon: usb3? how fast is that? |
| 16:01.51 | justin | eptalon: usb2 maxes out around 30MB/s |
| 16:02.06 | eptalon | justin: either 3 or 6 gbit (interface speed) |
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| 16:02.19 | shomon | hi there. why is httpd renamed to apache2ctl on debian? |
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| 16:02.28 | AthomIk | bilm you have a good /etc/network/interfaces file ? |
| 16:02.31 | justin | shomon: it's not |
| 16:02.32 | bilm | AthomIk: can you tell me in which runlevel you ahve a symlink to /etc/init.d/ntworking? |
| 16:02.35 | scottuss | shomon, what? |
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| 16:02.39 | eptalon | justin: I have seen write rates of over 80MByte/s |
| 16:02.41 | bilm | AthomIk: yes, starting by hand works fine |
| 16:02.42 | shomon | oh? okay must be in ubuntu then |
| 16:02.47 | justin | shomon: nope |
| 16:02.48 | shomon | I'm on ubuntu, but I was just curious |
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| 16:02.55 | jhutchins_lt | eptalon: You might find a file-based transfer like rsync works better |
| 16:02.56 | scottuss | shomon, so not debian then..? |
| 16:03.06 | shomon | well, I was just told to check httpd -S |
| 16:03.19 | shomon | but it took ages to find out it was actually apache2ctl -S ... |
| 16:03.25 | scottuss | shomon, that usually means apache, people interchange the terms |
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| 16:03.34 | JordiGH | What is the point of having in the same package "Provides: foo" and "Conflicts: foo"? I'm looking at libhdf5-openmpi-1.8.4 and libhdf5-serial-1.8.4. Is the point to make sure only one of these is installed? |
| 16:03.41 | scottuss | shomon, the service is called apache2 |
| 16:03.47 | eptalon | jhutchins_lt: I am trying to "back up" a raw (jfs) partition, 200G, before reusing the drive. |
| 16:03.49 | dvs | JordiGH: Different versions? |
| 16:04.02 | themill | JordiGH: policy describes this exact case. |
| 16:04.13 | JordiGH | themill: Ah, chapter and verse? |
| 16:04.13 | eptalon | jhutchins_lt: the 50G ntfs partition was done in like 5 mins |
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| 16:04.33 | Rodensky | Thank you all for helping. Have a nice day, whatever your locale is :P |
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| 16:04.37 | jhutchins_lt | eptalon: What do you mean by raw partition? No files on it? |
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| 16:04.51 | eptalon | jhutchins_lt: "block device" |
| 16:05.13 | JordiGH | themill: Found it, 7.9.2 |
| 16:05.18 | JordiGH | Er, 7.6.2 |
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| 16:05.39 | JyZyXEL | are there any tools that allow modifying partition tables with a single command? |
| 16:05.51 | eptalon | jhutchins_lt: 250G disk, 50G NTFS, 200G JFS. For NTFS there is a utility that can read ntfs partitions, for jfs there isn't. |
| 16:06.02 | bilm | AthomIk: gotta go now... thanks a lot for your support |
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| 16:07.01 | sysadmin_freak | hi everybody |
| 16:07.01 | jhutchins_lt | eptalon: I don't understand what you're trying to say. jfs is a valid linux filesystem. You should be able to mount and read it. |
| 16:07.02 | sysadmin_freak | XD |
| 16:07.12 | AthomIk | bilm: yes, but no find in etc/rcx the symlink..... |
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| 16:08.03 | eptalon | jhutchins_lt: for ntfs, there was something like ntfsdump (like xfs-dump) that dumps the whole fs into a file, in like 5 mins |
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| 16:08.35 | JordiGH | I forget, how do you see a package's build-deps? |
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| 16:09.07 | eptalon | jhutchins_lt: I know that I can mount the fs. You think a mount, and a tar will be faster than a dd? |
| 16:09.25 | themill | JordiGH: apt-cache showsrc or /msg judd builddeps |
| 16:09.56 | JordiGH | Thanks again. |
| 16:09.59 | jhutchins_lt | eptalon: Not a clue. It's just a different possible technique. |
| 16:10.02 | anddam | I have to install gcc 4.3, I'm reading a page that suggests to manually links to 4.3, can update-alternatives handle gcc too? |
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| 16:10.29 | jhutchins_lt | eptalon: I might be curious enough to benchmark that usb3 connection though, possibly /dev/nul or /dev/random to it. |
| 16:10.37 | jhutchins_lt | eptalon: USB2 was initially very slow in linux. |
| 16:10.58 | jhutchins_lt | eptalon: Also, check your logfiles & dmesg for errors reading and writing. |
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| 16:11.06 | JordiGH | wonders if minc-tools' dependency on a specific libhdf5 is intentional. |
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| 16:14.15 | scottuss | just out of interest does anyone else have a problem where Xorg thinks their laptop has more than 1 screen? |
| 16:14.52 | scottuss | I think I've figured out the fix, to create an xorg.conf and specify that it indeed only has 1 |
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| 16:16.29 | snow_man | scottuss: you can probably configure that from the gnome monitor configuration as well; it may be detecting your vga/displayport as the second monitor, happened to me on a Dell Inspiron 1545 |
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| 16:17.27 | scottuss | snow_man, thanks. It only does it now and then, switching to a different console and then back to 7 seems to fix it |
| 16:17.51 | scottuss | snow_man, I can tell it's going to do it because GDM does weird things |
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| 16:19.24 | snow_man | scottuss: "weird things?" |
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| 16:20.17 | scottuss | snow_man, yeah like the bottom bar would be "on the other screen" and the cursor can go way over to the right, beyond the actual screen bounds |
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| 16:20.55 | scottuss | snow_man, I guess it's an Xorg thing, I need to play around with it some more. Other than that I'm thinking of tearing GDM3 out and putting the old one in |
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| 16:23.20 | scottuss | snow_man, is that similar to what you had |
| 16:23.56 | plm | How I configure in ssh for some user can't to do login? |
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| 16:28.06 | scottuss | plm, does the user have an account on the machine? |
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| 16:28.23 | xuser | plm: AllowUsers in your sshd config |
| 16:28.46 | plm | scottuss: yes.. but that account is just for use ftp (proftp) I would like that user not login in ssh |
| 16:28.48 | tweek_ | scottuss: a workaround would be putting 'xrandr --output VGA1 --off' into .xsession/.xinitrc (the name on the output might differ depending on your graphics chipset, see xrandr) |
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| 16:28.55 | plm | xuser: ahhh ok |
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| 16:30.16 | tweek_ | scottuss: or put it in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ |
| 16:30.55 | JordiGH | Is this a bug? Can you reproduce? Package libhdf5-openmpi-dev has /usr/lib/hdf5.h, but the program "#include <hdf5.h>" doesn't compile. |
| 16:30.57 | tweek_ | i think then it would work for gdm |
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| 16:32.10 | mwnn | why aren't DejaVu fonts listed in xfontsel? |
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| 16:32.16 | eptalon | jhutchins_lt: tar on a mounted volume reads at about double the speed than dd on the block device |
| 16:32.37 | bzed | JordiGH: yeah. /usr/include/H5public.h:57:20: error: mpi.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:32.43 | jhutchins_lt | Interesting. How do you isolate read speed from write? |
| 16:32.53 | bzed | JordiGH: there is at least a dependency missing |
| 16:33.01 | JordiGH | bzed: It is a bug, isn't it? |
| 16:33.10 | bzed | JordiGH: imho yes. |
| 16:33.18 | JordiGH | files bug. |
| 16:33.28 | eptalon | jhutchins_lt: iotop |
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| 16:36.47 | robert45 | hey guys, Im getting some weird error with "apt-get -f install" can someone help me figuring this out? this is the error: http://paste.debian.net/111480/ |
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| 16:37.23 | sako | hey guys anyone using dotdeb.org? can it be trusted? |
| 16:37.51 | sako | was thinking bout using it to grab the latest nginx for squeeze |
| 16:38.26 | prince_jammys | my wireless connection is driving me nuts; it's erratic: sometimes takes forever to associate, or loses the connection "randomly". I only use a single access point with WPA. Debian squeeze, the card is intel 2200BG, configured directly in /etc/network/interfaces. I pasted the contents of that file and a few other things at http://paste.debian.net/111478 |
| 16:39.01 | oultaw | I need to mount a local file system ASAP in the boot process, auto option in fstab is not soon enough any suggestions? |
| 16:39.20 | scottuss | looks like my laptop issues are known bugs |
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| 16:39.47 | eptalon | oultaw: you can specify a number, see mount |
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| 16:41.13 | snow_man | scottuss: yes, almost identical to what I had; turning off the external monitor output fixed my problem, though |
| 16:41.14 | babilen | !tell sako -about dotdeb |
| 16:41.22 | tweek_ | scottuss: have you tried an xrandr script in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ like above? |
| 16:41.23 | eptalon | oultaw: last number in fstab list (<pass>) |
| 16:41.32 | oultaw | I'll have a look thanks |
| 16:41.36 | babilen | sako: What exactly are you trying to achieve? |
| 16:41.39 | scottuss | tweek_, no, not yet, I'll try it when I get home |
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| 16:42.23 | babilen | sako: Ah, nginx .. sorry |
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| 16:42.40 | sako | babilen: i need 0.8.x version of nginx |
| 16:42.46 | sako | on debian squeeze... |
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| 16:43.05 | sako | so my options are to build from source from either testing or unstable or to use dotdeb.org |
| 16:43.12 | babilen | !tell sako -about ssb |
| 16:43.31 | babilen | sako: I would build the 0.8.54-3 package from sid. |
| 16:43.47 | themill | robert45: upgrading from etch to squeeze without going via lenny is not supported. You should do this in two steps; /msg dpkg etch->lenny; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 16:43.56 | babilen | sako: dotdebs packages are not exactly known for their quality |
| 16:43.58 | sako | babilen: thats safer than adding an external repo right? |
| 16:44.04 | babilen | sako: much safer |
| 16:44.08 | sako | ya i figured :) ill continue to do that way then |
| 16:44.14 | prince_jammys | this is a tail of /var/log/daemon.log , showing what i typically see when the wireless is down: http://paste.debian.net/111481 |
| 16:44.15 | babilen | sako: Good luck! |
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| 16:44.32 | sako | thanks |
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| 16:45.00 | robert45 | themill thanks for the help, the thing is I really dont want to upgrade anything, just typed what apt recommended me, I would like to install php5-mcrypt package only |
| 16:45.51 | robert45 | themill this is what I get when I try to install this package, http://paste.debian.net/111484/ |
| 16:46.08 | themill | robert45: have a look at your sources.list -- does it have "stable" in there rather than "etch"? btw do you realise that etch is no longer supported and hasn't had security support for over 12 month? You can assume that your php5 packages are in "interesting" shape at this stage. |
| 16:47.00 | robert45 | themill well I didnt know that really, its a production webhosting server so Im scary to do any big upgrade on it |
| 16:47.28 | robert45 | themill this is my sources.list file http://paste.debian.net/111485/ |
| 16:47.31 | babilen | robert45: running a version that does not get any security support is, unfortunately, not a good idea as well. |
| 16:47.31 | themill | probably about as scary as running a known-vulnerable version of php... (kernel? apache?) |
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| 16:47.54 | themill | dpkg: tell robert45 about etch sources.list |
| 16:48.25 | babilen | dpkg: tell robert45 -about etch->lenny |
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| 16:48.32 | themill | robert45: get rid of those lines with "stable" in them and replace them with the information dpkg just gave you. Put on your list as a *very* high priority item to upgrade to lenny... and then squeeze... |
| 16:48.33 | robert45 | themill should I remove everything and add those two lines only? |
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| 16:49.18 | themill | robert45: the volatile and security archives won't exist any more either, so you may as well comment them out. |
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| 16:50.51 | robert45 | themill ok, I have removed everything and added the lines that dpkg suggested, now when I run "apt-get -f install" it says its going to remove packages "j2re1.4 j2sdk1.4 locales psa-tomcat-configurator" ? |
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| 16:51.41 | themill | you presumably have an interesting mix of etch lenny and squeeze now... I have no idea what state your package system is in (other than "bad") |
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| 16:52.34 | eptalon | robert45: j2re1.4/j2sdk1.4 is outdated, and has probably been replaced by openjdk... |
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| 16:52.56 | robert45 | Im using these packages, is there anyway to skip the removal? |
| 16:53.20 | scottuss | robert45, I always ask, just to keep myself safe, I'm not likely to be entering my credit card details on your server.. am I? :p In all seriousness though, upgrade! :) |
| 16:53.22 | themill | !partial downgrade |
| 16:53.22 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g' See <not available> |
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| 16:54.28 | eptalon | robert45: is there anything that will likely not run anymore if you upgrade to current stable (squeeze)? |
| 16:55.09 | eptalon | robert45: as to the java sdk/jre I have made very good experiences with openjdk |
| 16:55.17 | robert45 | not sure really, I have many websites hosted on this server that could be using this specific PHP version |
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| 16:55.39 | robert45 | java 1.4 as well |
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| 16:56.02 | robert45 | is there anyway I could download the .deb package only and install it? |
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| 16:56.38 | eptalon | robert45: honestly: there were no deprecations in jdk 1.5 or 1.6 (1.5 is eol since 2006, I think) |
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| 16:56.59 | eptalon | robert45: all JDK 1.4 stuff will also work with later versions |
| 16:57.02 | MrFrood | robert45: use dpkg |
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| 16:58.29 | eptalon | robert45: I am not sure about the php |
| 16:58.44 | robert45 | I see |
| 16:59.17 | eptalon | robert45: try, if it doesn't work, reply the backup you surely have? |
| 16:59.23 | eptalon | er replay |
| 17:00.16 | robert45 | I cant afford any downtime |
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| 17:00.28 | robert45 | is there any website that hosts old .deb packages? I would like to try installing php5-mcrypt_5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16_amd64.deb with dpkg |
| 17:00.49 | eptalon | robert45: do you have a "test server"? |
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| 17:00.57 | robert45 | no |
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| 17:01.40 | eptalon | robert45: do you have backups? |
| 17:02.05 | robert45 | yeah |
| 17:02.27 | themill | robert45: see what dpkg told you earlier about "archive.debian.org". And really... you're two years past when you should have been planning etch->lenny so you really need to be getting on with this. The problem will not go away. Think about how much downtime you would have if your machine gets knocked over because you're running unsupported versions of php etc? |
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| 17:03.34 | eptalon | robert45: also, since you seem to do this professionally, investing in a "test machine" would probably be money well spent |
| 17:04.08 | robert45 | themill I already added those archive lines but now Im stuck with the removal of the 3 packages I mentioned earlier |
| 17:04.31 | robert45 | I will probably try to upgrade later but now I need to have this solved |
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| 17:04.49 | eptalon | robert45: no one here can guaeantee you that the upgrade will work smoothly, and that $newpackage is compatible with $oldpackage |
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| 17:05.13 | dondelelcaro | well, we could guarantee, but it would be worthless |
| 17:05.35 | robert45 | ok thanks |
| 17:05.53 | eptalon | dondelelcaro: it works with things like java, I have my doubts aobut things like php, or mysql |
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| 17:07.03 | eptalon | besides, oracle is having you pay support for java 1.5 at an hourly rate. I am not sure they are supporting java 1.4 at all any more |
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| 17:15.05 | prince_jammys | so, for example, since i last posted the question i lost my connection twice |
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| 17:17.16 | CrazyEddy | Could someone please tell me how to get the noview driver working? |
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| 17:19.58 | CrazyEddy | In particular, the latest kernels aren't creating the /dev/dri directory, and prior to that, it has never worked at any resolution greater than 800x600. |
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| 17:25.03 | CrazyEddy | OK, could someone please tell me how to downgrade to the old nvidia driver? The packages seem to have disappeared from the repository. |
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| 17:28.23 | dutchfish | CrazyEddy, have you looked in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
| 17:28.53 | CrazyEddy | dutchfish: I run apt-get clean regularly. |
| 17:29.22 | abrotman | !sdo |
| 17:29.22 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 17:29.28 | dutchfish | CrazyEddy, if the packge was in main, you could try snaphot.d-o |
| 17:30.11 | CrazyEddy | dpkg: Thanks. |
| 17:30.12 | dpkg | de nada, CrazyEddy |
| 17:30.35 | CrazyEddy | abrotman: Thanks. |
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| 17:32.17 | flo|linux | hi |
| 17:32.32 | flo|linux | how can i make debian let "moc" point to moc-qt4 instead of moc-qt3? |
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| 17:32.48 | flo|linux | and generally, let all the qt-stuff point to $program-qt4 instead of -qt3? |
| 17:33.17 | bolt | I added this to the end of my file, but vim doesn't seem to read it on startup. Does .vimrc override settings inside files?! -> # /* vim: tabstop=2:softtabstop=2:shiftwidth=2:noexpandtab */ |
| 17:33.41 | themill | flo|linux: you'd use "update-alternatives" to do this. |
| 17:33.52 | CrazyEddy | Out of interest, is the noview driver supposed to actually work at all, or is it some kind of joke? |
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| 17:35.24 | bolt | oh. i didn't have "set modeline" in my .vimrc |
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| 17:36.55 | flo|linux | is there a way to use _all_ programs from qt4 instead of the programs from qt3? |
| 17:37.01 | niekt0 | hi, anyone with working tomoyo here? |
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| 17:37.17 | flo|linux | update-alternatives tells me that the qt3-stuff has a higher priority. do i need to change it for every single program? |
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| 17:37.23 | flo|linux | or is there a way to do this globally? |
| 17:37.44 | babilen | bolt: fwiw i find modelines much easier to read then they use " " instead of ":" to seperate the options |
| 17:37.46 | justin | flo|linux: why not just uninstall the qt3 apps? |
| 17:37.53 | flo|linux | justin, because i still need one |
| 17:38.08 | justin | ok... so remove all of them but the one you need? |
| 17:38.23 | bolt | babilen: ah. i'll try and see which one i like :) |
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| 17:39.37 | babilen | bolt: I also like the short form more in modelines (sw instead of shiftwidth), but that is a matter of personal taste. (you know about #vim don't you?) |
| 17:39.44 | unicum | question: just by design ANY usb-pen-drive can be made bootable, right? now.. http://www.pendrivelinux.com/install-grub2-on-usb-from-ubuntu-linux/#more-4080 seems to be pretty straight forward, simple and correct as well.. following all the steps.. how come i'm being told the usb-stick is not a bootable device, when firing up the box again? |
| 17:40.15 | bolt | babilen: didn't think about a specific channel for that, no. i'll ask my next question on the topic there if i have one |
| 17:41.40 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 17:41.50 | babilen | bolt: don't worry, but you are likely to find vim gurus in there, just like you find Debian specialists in here ... |
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| 17:45.00 | CrazyEddy | Anybody? |
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| 17:46.26 | xyzp | yes |
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| 17:47.30 | riot | hi |
| 17:47.33 | xyzp | CrazyEddy, whatÅ up? |
| 17:47.47 | gnugr | CrazyEddy: type your question |
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| 17:48.12 | Bushmills | he did. there was a question mark behind "anybody" |
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| 17:48.15 | tarzeau | achadwick: thanks for the bug report, i know upstream personally :) |
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| 17:48.27 | riot | is there some cron-daemon that only starts (certain) jobs when the machine is idle? My machines all annoy me by raising load through doing security checks right when i need the whole box's attention :( |
| 17:49.20 | Bushmills | riot: why not set the tome of the cron jobs such that they ae executed at an idle time? |
| 17:49.23 | Bushmills | time |
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| 17:49.52 | riot | Bushmills: i already did that, but my working times vary wildly, so thats not really useful :/ |
| 17:49.55 | LordXe-gnu | riot, or wrap it in a script that checks the idle time and only executes the task you want if the idle is long enough |
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| 17:50.12 | Sm0ke0ut | run it with a nicer priority? |
| 17:50.20 | CrazyEddy | xyzp, gnugr, is there any documentation or howto on the nouveau driver and getting it working? |
| 17:50.30 | Bushmills | riot: i suppose you could use anacron and do a load test before actually calling the parts |
| 17:50.36 | riot | Sm0ke0ut: thats something i should investigate, yes.. |
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| 17:50.55 | Bushmills | break out if and before anacron sets the time stamps for last execution |
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| 17:51.18 | xyzp | CrazyEddy, sorry i cant help you |
| 17:51.18 | jacktheripper | why do my ntfs-3g mount options in /etc/fstab get ignored ? I'm trying to mount a filesystem with exec, but it's always mounted with noexec. |
| 17:51.20 | riot | Bushmills: hmhm, another viable option.. but i'd have to make sure, the script knows when i'm using the box.. Maybe some prior call to the screensaver.. |
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| 17:51.53 | Bushmills | if you're already pre-testing, you can probably also test against number of users logged in (or specific users) |
| 17:52.14 | CrazyEddy | OK, how does one make udevd or whatever create the /dev/dri files at boot? |
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| 17:52.47 | riot | Bushmills: nah, not really adequate as i'm always logged in, i think the screensaver is a good option, with the disadvantage that i'm "screwed" if it already started when i start to use the box.. |
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| 17:53.14 | Bushmills | you find a way to figure out and tell the scripts when you want it to execute and when not |
| 17:53.35 | Bushmills | as you know your usage pattern better than anybody else does |
| 17:54.00 | riot | yes.. checking the screensaver is probably the best way. I'll try that. Thanks everbody :) |
| 17:54.04 | babilen | CrazyEddy: You are talking about nouveau and not "noview" :) |
| 17:54.16 | CrazyEddy | babilen: I realise that. |
| 17:54.37 | CrazyEddy | babilen: I thought it might actually be what the name refers to though. This driver has NEVER worked right. |
| 17:54.47 | babilen | CrazyEddy: Sorry, had absolutely no idea what "noview" driver you were referring to. |
| 17:55.05 | babilen | CrazyEddy: Yeah, it probably needs a bit more time to be ready for prime-time. |
| 17:55.11 | babilen | !tell CrazyEddy -about nouveau |
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| 17:55.26 | babilen | CrazyEddy: You might want to consider using the drivers from nvidia |
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| 17:55.30 | babilen | !tell CrazyEddy -about nvidia |
| 17:55.32 | nettezzaumana | hi there |
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| 17:56.28 | nettezzaumana | is here someone knowing the best ugly linux ACLs ... i'm unable to create dir for users where everyone has full access even on files which doesn't own |
| 17:56.31 | nettezzaumana | http://susepaste.org/view/raw/17041327 |
| 17:56.36 | nettezzaumana | ^^ example on solaris |
| 17:56.42 | nettezzaumana | it bloody works there |
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| 17:56.55 | nettezzaumana | but OMG, howto achieve that on Linux ????? |
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| 17:57.20 | cantido | have you checked that your FS has acls enabled? |
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| 17:57.21 | CrazyEddy | babilen: I don't understand how a driver that was functioning perfectly well can be replaced with something like this. It's absolutely ridiculous. |
| 17:57.53 | gnugr | CrazyEddy: you can also check out here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6592005 |
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| 17:58.05 | babilen | CrazyEddy: I am not involved in xorg upstream decisions and don't follow their mailing list. I can't comment on that. |
| 17:58.09 | nettezzaumana | cantido: it has but files have always some inane perms |
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| 17:58.25 | nettezzaumana | cantido: i would like to start over from beggining |
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| 17:58.30 | nettezzaumana | cantido: step by step |
| 17:58.32 | nettezzaumana | thanks |
| 17:58.36 | cantido | nettezzaumana: so clear all of the acls? |
| 17:59.02 | nettezzaumana | cantido: yes, or `mkdir foo` ;) and then setfacl .... |
| 17:59.21 | khaleel5000 | 2111 |
| 17:59.26 | khaleel5000 | sorry ,disreagerd |
| 18:01.44 | nettezzaumana | cantido: just start with newly created `drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2011-03-21 18:59 foo` and users `uid=1001(jura) gid=100(users)` and `uid=1000(dpecka) gid=100(users)` for example |
| 18:03.14 | flo|linux | hi |
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| 18:03.34 | flo|linux | where must i add the "Option SWcurser" "true" so that x also accepts that option? |
| 18:04.04 | flo|linux | i've tried adding it to the "Device" section (which was empty, except that line), but it had no effect |
| 18:04.11 | flo|linux | (using debian squeeze) |
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| 18:04.20 | Zao | flo|linux: Sounds dubiously spelled, that. |
| 18:04.33 | Zao | Typically cursor is spelled with an o. |
| 18:04.49 | flo|linux | oops, i wrote cursor into my xorg.conf ;) |
| 18:05.16 | cahoot | someone asked for a flaming cursor in oftc so... |
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| 18:05.41 | flo|linux | my xorg conf is so empty, i simply don't know how to put stuff into it |
| 18:05.49 | flo|linux | and, do i actually need to put it into there? |
| 18:05.54 | Zao | flo|linux: Additionally, the docs seem to suggest "SWCursor" |
| 18:05.58 | flo|linux | or does squeeze use that dubious hal thingy? |
| 18:06.07 | Zao | Docs hint that options pertaining to a Device go into the relevant Device section. |
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| 18:06.18 | flo|linux | man radeon tells me SWcursor, not SWCursor |
| 18:06.24 | Zao | squeeze is probably deep into hal land. |
| 18:06.34 | flo|linux | Zao, yeah. but where's the relevant device section? |
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| 18:06.47 | Zao | The one you write for your card. |
| 18:06.56 | flo|linux | is it " Section "Device" \n Identifier"Configured Video Device" \n EndSection"? |
| 18:07.08 | flo|linux | that's the only device-related thing in my xorg.conf |
| 18:07.11 | Zao | Modern X.org doesn't really use xorg.conf, so if it's empty it'll autodetect most things. |
| 18:07.29 | Zao | It only uses it if it's present, and then it better be properly crafted. |
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| 18:07.51 | babilen | !tell flo|linux -about empty xorg.conf |
| 18:07.55 | babilen | !tell flo|linux -about xorg.conf.d |
| 18:08.14 | babilen | Zao: And squeeze works just fine without hal |
| 18:08.14 | riot | hmm. rkhunter and debsums have NICE settings in /etc/default :) |
| 18:08.46 | flo|linux | hm, i have no xorg.conf.d |
| 18:08.56 | flo|linux | i've upgraded from lenny |
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| 18:09.29 | babilen | flo|linux: Create it. (should be covered in the factoid) |
| 18:09.42 | Zao | Yay, debian. Always doing things in its own way :D |
| 18:09.43 | flo|linux | babilen, i assume you mean Xorg -configure |
| 18:09.57 | babilen | flo|linux: no, i don't |
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| 18:10.37 | babilen | flo|linux: Read the factoid please. :) |
| 18:10.43 | flo|linux | Zao, yeah ._. debian is cool if everything works. but sometimes it's a really long way there |
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| 18:11.04 | flo|linux | babilen, uhm, i read it |
| 18:11.14 | babilen | flo|linux: btw, what are you trying to achieve? |
| 18:11.15 | flo|linux | i asked him about xorg config squeeze |
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| 18:11.27 | flo|linux | and it told me that X -configure helps |
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| 18:11.36 | flo|linux | problem is, my mouse cursor isn't drawn |
| 18:11.51 | flo|linux | the mouse works, but no cursor. if i enter s2ram and wake up after that, it's there |
| 18:12.02 | flo|linux | and i assume it's related to the hardwarecursor |
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| 18:12.43 | flo|linux | argh |
| 18:12.45 | babilen | flo|linux: ah right, you've been here earlier, right? Have you checked the BTS if that bug has been reported? |
| 18:12.54 | flo|linux | so, how do i configure my xorg.conf? |
| 18:12.56 | babilen | argh? |
| 18:13.07 | flo|linux | ehm, create, i meant ;) |
| 18:13.15 | flo|linux | X -configure (as dpkg suggests!) doesn't work |
| 18:13.19 | flo|linux | FATAL: Module fbcon not found. |
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| 18:13.53 | babilen | flo|linux: Why don't you just create a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-mouse.conf and place the Section in there? |
| 18:14.09 | jelly | interesting definition of "just" |
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| 18:14.21 | babilen | hehe, true :) |
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| 18:14.23 | flo|linux | yes |
| 18:14.29 | flo|linux | i want a xorg.conf. how can i get one? |
| 18:14.39 | flo|linux | i don't like hal, i don't like autoconfiguring stuff. |
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| 18:14.47 | flo|linux | is there no way to get my good old xorg.conf :(? |
| 18:15.07 | jhutchins_lt | flo|linux: Yes. |
| 18:15.18 | anddam | once I have 'vim' installed can I get rid of vim-tiny or is there a point in having it? |
| 18:15.18 | jhutchins_lt | flo|linux: Or rather no, there is a way. |
| 18:15.26 | flo|linux | jhutchins, which? X -configure gives an error |
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| 18:15.37 | flo|linux | FATAL: Module fbcon not found. |
| 18:15.42 | flo|linux | and Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices. |
| 18:15.42 | flo|linux | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.42 | babilen | flo|linux: And as said earlier: Xorg uses udev for autoconfiguration. You don't need HAL on your system. |
| 18:16.12 | jhutchins_lt | flo|linux: Does X work without the xorg.conf? |
| 18:16.30 | babilen | flo|linux: intel video? |
| 18:16.34 | flo|linux | babilen, argh, yes |
| 18:16.45 | flo|linux | i assumed it was radeon, but it isn't -_- |
| 18:16.52 | babilen | !dbugs #588560 |
| 18:16.57 | dpkg | DONE:#588560:M[xserver-xorg-video-intel] xserver-xorg-video-intel: generates confusing "FATAL: Module fbcon not found." message (); Fri, 09 Jul 2010 17:15:01 UTC [] |
| 18:16.57 | flo|linux | jhutchins, no. no mouse cursor |
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| 18:17.02 | jhutchins_lt | !kms |
| 18:17.02 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 18:17.42 | flo|linux | hrm. i have to leave now; but i'll come back later, ok :)? |
| 18:17.44 | flo|linux | thanks so far |
| 18:17.50 | gnugr | flo|linux: try once: "man 5 xorg.conf" |
| 18:17.54 | babilen | flo|linux: So "X -configure" does not create a xorg.conf ? |
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| 18:18.44 | babilen | flo|linux: Do you use a Debian stock kernel? |
| 18:18.57 | babilen | flo|linux: Or well, goodbye ... |
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| 18:25.32 | AthomIk | The management of the quotae in cups, it is bound to the material (printer). :D |
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| 18:25.39 | AthomIk | .? |
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| 18:26.06 | AthomIk | or i can apply quota for small printer ( epson inkjet ) |
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| 18:27.35 | jhutchins_lt | yes |
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| 18:29.39 | petan | hi someone who has experiences with graphics? |
| 18:29.47 | petan | I can't get my driver working again |
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| 18:30.02 | petan | it's fglrx before update it was ok |
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| 18:30.13 | AthomIk | jhutchins_lt: you think quota option is for all printer and not bound to ppd file ? |
| 18:30.15 | babilen | petan: Which update? |
| 18:30.22 | petan | from lenny |
| 18:30.27 | petan | :| |
| 18:30.31 | babilen | to? |
| 18:30.35 | petan | squeeze |
| 18:30.48 | damasceno | Somebody already tried to install the nocat on Debian? I'm trying to access google.com.br and, nocat redirect me to 192.168.1.1 page, ok, but don't show the right page, asking to me for login and password. Show me the content of login file. :S |
| 18:30.52 | babilen | Ah, how did you install the driver? |
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| 18:30.56 | petan | apt |
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| 18:31.04 | petan | apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 18:31.24 | babilen | petan: You followed the release notes for the upgrade? |
| 18:31.26 | petan | since that it works very slow I can't even open 3d app |
| 18:31.31 | petan | I think so |
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| 18:31.43 | petan | hm |
| 18:31.44 | babilen | petan: You probably want to install firmware |
| 18:31.52 | petan | isn't it part of driver huh |
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| 18:32.00 | Black_Prince | petan what driver? |
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| 18:32.01 | babilen | petan: No, not for fglrx. sorry |
| 18:32.10 | ompaul | babilen: don't be sorry ;-) |
| 18:32.16 | petan | Black_Prince: fglrx |
| 18:32.16 | Black_Prince | Ah, then you need firmware-linux-nonfree ... |
| 18:32.18 | ompaul | not your fault :) |
| 18:32.25 | petan | where I get it |
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| 18:32.26 | babilen | petan: I mean: Yes it is part of the driver, and: no you don't have to install additional firmware |
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| 18:32.41 | gnugr | petan: read this: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 18:32.48 | petan | thanks |
| 18:33.15 | babilen | !tell petan -about fglrx dkms |
| 18:33.19 | jhutchins_lt | AthomIk: It's not part of the ppd. |
| 18:33.45 | babilen | petan: Could you run the command in there, and paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and the output of "glxinfo" afterwards please? |
| 18:33.55 | babilen | petan: I mean in the factoid dpkg just send you |
| 18:34.01 | ompaul | damasceno: nocat is not in debian - so I have no idea what you are talking about - 192.168.1.1 is on your own lan (or at least it should be and is most likely your router) |
| 18:34.41 | damasceno | ompaul, What you just said, i know, i'm trying to install on Debian, what's why i came to here to ask. |
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| 18:35.07 | ompaul | damasceno: what is nocat where is it - is this it? http://nocat.net/ |
| 18:35.19 | petan | babilen: before I had fglrx it was working I don't need to do anything with radeon |
| 18:35.32 | petan | babilen: I did aptitude install linux-headers-2.6-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') fglrx-control fglrx-driver it didn't change |
| 18:35.44 | damasceno | ompaul, Yes, I tried search on google, but I didn't had success... |
| 18:35.44 | damasceno | :/ |
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| 18:35.54 | damasceno | I found nothing about my problem. :/ |
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| 18:36.38 | babilen | petan: So you are following the <fglrx pre-built> way. Ok, paste the requested information then, it might give a clue. |
| 18:36.42 | ompaul | damasceno: that is beacuse it does not install on debian it installs on routers check the Hardware section of the page |
| 18:36.51 | babilen | !tell petan -about fglrx pre-built |
| 18:36.56 | babilen | petan: I was referring to that |
| 18:37.05 | petan | babilen: which command please |
| 18:37.15 | petan | babilen: I did what I got and it didn't return any output |
| 18:37.41 | petan | excepting apt 0 packages blah blah |
| 18:37.44 | petan | and so |
| 18:37.52 | ompaul | damasceno: so you would not install it on debian you would install it on a router it is offtopic for here |
| 18:37.57 | petan | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded |
| 18:38.04 | babilen | petan: "paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and the output of "glxinfo" afterwards please?" |
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| 18:38.22 | damasceno | ompaul, Debian can be a router, just use iptables and the other softwares. |
| 18:38.38 | ompaul | damasceno: however you might join #wireless and have a chat with them there - it is not a debian package |
| 18:38.41 | damasceno | It's not my point. I know all the logic, but my problemas is simple... |
| 18:38.49 | damasceno | ompaul, I'm there too... |
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| 18:39.00 | petan | X Error of failed request: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation) |
| 18:39.17 | damasceno | When i try to acess google.com.br, i'll go to 192.168.1.1/cgi-bin/login... |
| 18:39.20 | babilen | petan: to http://paste.debian.net ;) |
| 18:39.23 | petan | http://pastebin.com/7tvxQxj7 |
| 18:39.33 | petan | babilen: it's 1 line |
| 18:39.34 | damasceno | It's right, but don't show the page, show the content of login file. |
| 18:39.41 | petan | babilen: do I really need to paste it there |
| 18:39.48 | damasceno | #!/usr/bin/perl -w.... |
| 18:39.54 | damasceno | It's a perl script... |
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| 18:40.05 | damasceno | Don't show the page, show the content. |
| 18:40.21 | damasceno | Do you are understanding what i'm saying? |
| 18:40.23 | petan | babilen: on pastebin is log error was for that info |
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| 18:41.07 | justin | damasceno: you have /usr/lib/cgi-bin/login.cgi or such? |
| 18:41.35 | zgedneil | why would Emacs show the "6x12" font when I asked it for 6x13? |
| 18:41.37 | jhutchins_lt | damasceno: Your questions should be directed to nocat support, as this is not a debian question, but googling "nocat on debian" certainly returned useful info (surprizingly, much of it in french). |
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| 18:41.50 | damasceno | justin, No, I don't have. I have this: /var/www/cgi-bin |
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| 18:42.07 | AthomIk | jhutchins_lt: ok thx for cups info |
| 18:42.09 | damasceno | There, i have login and other files. |
| 18:42.12 | joe6 | does anyone know which package might contain OpenGL/glu.h |
| 18:42.20 | babilen | petan: Bunch of errors in there. It looks as if the kernel module is not (correctly) installed. See, for example, line 253 ... |
| 18:42.31 | joe6 | apt-file search does not return anything. |
| 18:42.37 | xyzp | is there any f in here? |
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| 18:42.42 | jhutchins_lt | AthomIk: Check the cups homepage - they should have it documented (possibly in french as well). |
| 18:43.26 | petan | do you know how to disable that ctrl alt f2 block |
| 18:43.28 | AthomIk | jhutchins_lt: i have read this cups homepage and printer.conf doc, lpadmin etc ..... |
| 18:43.30 | justin | damasceno: debian sets it up in /usr/lib/cgi-bin by default. not sure what you did |
| 18:43.30 | petan | I cant switch now |
| 18:43.33 | petan | since I updated |
| 18:43.43 | simonrvn | joe6: try with -i (ignore case) |
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| 18:43.58 | petan | babilen: I will restart my x server but I need to switch to tty |
| 18:44.01 | petan | babilen: dunno how |
| 18:44.19 | AthomIk | jhutchins_lt: my printer.conf is simple http://pastebin.com/dF5C6Yui, 2 pages for 20 mns, but no work |
| 18:44.22 | jhutchins_lt | petan: You may need to reboot. |
| 18:44.27 | petan | uh |
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| 18:44.35 | petan | that is not very good |
| 18:44.45 | petan | anyawy I just want to restart x server |
| 18:45.09 | babilen | petan: No, you'll have to compile the fglrx module. Give me one second please ... |
| 18:45.11 | damasceno | petan, /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
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| 18:45.33 | petan | damasceno: I am now in x not tty |
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| 18:45.45 | jhutchins_lt | AthomIk: googling cups printer quota returns so many potentially useful hits I can't recommend one to you. |
| 18:46.05 | petan | and I dont know how to switch |
| 18:46.11 | petan | to tty |
| 18:46.18 | petan | because it doesn't work |
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| 18:46.27 | simonrvn | petan: Option "DontVTSwitch" "false" in ServerLayout section |
| 18:46.43 | babilen | petan: Could it be that you don't install recommends by default? Are "fglrx-modules-dkms (= 1:10-9-3) | fglrx-source (= 1:10-9-3), fglrx-glx, fglrx-atieventsd" installed? (fglrx-modules-dkms being the most important one) |
| 18:46.44 | petan | why in lenny it worked? |
| 18:46.59 | petan | babilen: yes |
| 18:47.46 | babilen | petan: Then please install those packages (or actually follow the factoid and use "aptitude -r" |
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| 18:48.02 | petan | babilen: I have |
| 18:48.04 | simonrvn | petan: it was switched upstream |
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| 18:48.08 | petan | babilen: yes meant I have all |
| 18:48.30 | babilen | petan: You rebooted after the upgrade? |
| 18:48.35 | petan | no... :| |
| 18:48.41 | simonrvn | (no idea why, ctrl-alt-bksp kill x server and vt swtiching are awefully useful, imo) |
| 18:48.44 | petan | I didn't rebooted past few months |
| 18:48.48 | simonrvn | swit* |
| 18:49.01 | AthomIk | jhutchins_lt: ok thx |
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| 18:49.03 | jhutchins_lt | Somebody really thought it was a good idea to disable console switching? |
| 18:49.15 | Rodensky | firefox add ons will work on iceweasel? |
| 18:49.15 | babilen | petan: A reboot is part of the upgrade procedure. Didn't you say you followed the release notes? |
| 18:49.29 | zgedneil | FWIW my Emacs problem seems Debian-related as it works with --no-init-file, curious... |
| 18:49.30 | simonrvn | babilen: he said "sort of" |
| 18:49.32 | petan | are you sure it's necessary for driver |
| 18:49.35 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: it's ridiculous isn't it? dontzap, console switching .... |
| 18:49.38 | petan | display |
| 18:49.47 | babilen | simonrvn: Ah, thanks for pointing that out. |
| 18:50.00 | yahya69 | Hi, can anyone recommend software for processing kml (google earth) data on Debian? I have a dataset of several hundred placemarks and I need to determine the number of placemarks per region, |
| 18:50.02 | yahya69 | and I have not idea how to achieve this |
| 18:50.11 | babilen | petan: I am sure it is necessary for the new kernel and udev, yes. Where else did you diverge from the upgrade procedure? |
| 18:50.35 | babilen | Rodensky: yes |
| 18:50.40 | zgedneil | false alarm, it's my .emacs :-) - quite amazing given how short the one is I'm using at the moment |
| 18:50.45 | simonrvn | jhutchins_lt: http://paste.debian.net/download/111499 |
| 18:50.46 | Rodensky | babilen, thanks |
| 18:50.46 | petan | I think apart of that it's ok |
| 18:51.00 | simonrvn | jhutchins_lt: er, wait |
| 18:51.11 | simonrvn | http://paste.debian.net/111499 |
| 18:51.25 | babilen | petan: Could you elaborate please? Which kernel are you running? (uname -r). How did you actually upgrade? |
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| 18:51.36 | simonrvn | i re-enabled them ;) |
| 18:51.38 | petan | babilen: with apt I am running 2.6.26 |
| 18:51.56 | babilen | petan: That is the kernel in lenny, not squeeze |
| 18:52.00 | petan | I know |
| 18:52.03 | petan | because I didn't reboot |
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| 18:52.13 | petan | I surely have the new kernel just not loaded |
| 18:52.22 | jhutchins_lt | simonrvn: Ah, I imagine if you were locking down a kiosk or something. |
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| 18:52.30 | simonrvn | zgedneil: i'd start with checking the el files to see if one of the ones in /etc set a font |
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| 18:52.53 | jhutchins_lt | petan: So you don't have the kernel mode switching module loaded. |
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| 18:53.22 | simonrvn | jhutchins_lt: by default, though? only people who even knew of those features and used them would know |
| 18:53.22 | zgedneil | simonrvn: I had some old customize junk in the .emacs at the bottom, I'd totally missed it |
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| 18:53.31 | simonrvn | zgedneil: *nods* |
| 18:53.32 | babilen | petan: Please reboot then. Also check in the release notes (what's new in squeeze + chapter 4) that you have not missed a step and "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze" |
| 18:53.33 | petan | ok I will reboot, thanks |
| 18:53.41 | AthomIk | "DontVTSwitch" is used for multiseat systeme, i have see this on a lot of how to |
| 18:53.48 | Morten_ | Hi, where is the USB_SUSPEND located when configuring the kernel when compiling it? |
| 18:54.21 | Black_Prince | Morten_ it should be somewhere in Drivers-Usb |
| 18:54.33 | Morten_ | Black_Prince, ok thanks. I will check there :) |
| 18:55.01 | Black_Prince | Anyways, if using menuconfig just hit / and type USB_SUSPEND |
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| 18:55.25 | simonrvn | menuconfig ftw |
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| 18:56.03 | fcn | i can play movies using vlc but not totem so i can't have thumbnails in nautilus too. which package should i get? |
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| 18:56.23 | Black_Prince | fcn maybe gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg ? |
| 18:56.40 | fcn | Black_Prince, ok. trying now. |
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| 18:56.47 | Morten_ | Black_Prince, thanks ALOT for the last command as well, could not find the search function :)) |
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| 18:57.01 | Black_Prince | Morten_ you welcome |
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| 19:00.19 | jacktheripper | I'm trying to compile paragon's ntfs driver. I get this http://pastebin.com/QUGi3aGs. There are symlink solutions all over the internet but none of them work. Does anybody know a solution ? |
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| 19:00.48 | jacktheripper | make oldconfig fails because there isn't any Makefile in scripts/basic/ |
| 19:00.52 | fcn | Black_Prince, thanks. I can play with totem now. |
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| 19:01.15 | asdfa | Hey everyone, my debian 6 install hangs during detecting network hardware. Does anyone knows what's causing this issue? |
| 19:01.41 | Black_Prince | jacktheripper what's wrong with ntfs-3g ? |
| 19:01.52 | Black_Prince | fcn, you welcome |
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| 19:02.07 | jacktheripper | Black_Prince, I don't know, I'm just not able to set any custom mount options (I'd like to remove noexec for example) |
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| 19:02.19 | jacktheripper | I remove it in /etc/fstab, remount and it's still there! |
| 19:02.34 | Black_Prince | *sigh* |
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| 19:02.45 | antihero | FYI the issue I had earlier with lack of networking, solved it half an hour ago. |
| 19:02.49 | antihero | Cable wasn't plugged in. |
| 19:02.58 | antihero | :( |
| 19:03.06 | xnor | Hi, i ran apt-get update and apt-get upgrade. Now mysql wont start ill get this in daemon.log How do i fix this? ---> Could not open required defaults file: /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| 19:03.07 | robokop | antihero: good job |
| 19:03.30 | troulouliou | hi i m making some test about security ; i was surprised to see that Debian libc is not ASCII-ARMOR like Ubuntu ; is there anything to do to have i t? |
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| 19:04.24 | xyzp | :-) |
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| 19:06.01 | Black_Prince | jacktheripper have you installed kernel headers? |
| 19:06.19 | jacktheripper | Black_Prince, yes |
| 19:06.28 | Black_Prince | /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.37-2-amd64/include/config/auto.conf |
| 19:06.37 | Black_Prince | Do you have that file? |
| 19:07.44 | jacktheripper | I do, but it's 2.6.37-1 |
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| 19:08.28 | tuxcrafter | ,kernel --release sid |
| 19:08.30 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.38-1-686 (2.6.38-1) |
| 19:08.37 | Black_Prince | I don't even see that kernel in sid |
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| 19:08.46 | Black_Prince | Just 2.6.37-2 and 2.6.38-1 |
| 19:08.51 | tuxcrafter | searching for amd64 |
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| 19:09.49 | asdfa | Hey everyone, my debian 6 install hangs during detecting network hardware. Does anyone knows what's causing this issue? |
| 19:10.30 | Black_Prince | Indeed there isn't such file include/generated/autoconf.h |
| 19:10.36 | tuxcrafter | http://packages.debian.org/sid/kernel/linux-image-2.6.38-1-amd64 got it |
| 19:10.40 | Black_Prince | There is just include/autoconf.h |
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| 19:11.25 | jacktheripper | this is weird. |
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| 19:11.38 | jacktheripper | I just downloaded 2.6.38.1 anyway so I could just reboot |
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| 19:12.28 | antihero | What packages do I get to get the nautilus sftp stuff? |
| 19:12.40 | Black_Prince | antihero maybe openssh-client? |
| 19:13.00 | Black_Prince | I'll brb |
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| 19:16.55 | netrotten | Hi, I install Fglrx for HD 5850 Card, and if i do glxinfo | grep render come this error http://paste.debian.net/111502/ |
| 19:16.56 | netrotten | <netrotten> any help please? |
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| 19:18.08 | justin | netrotten: installed how? |
| 19:18.18 | Morten_ | Hello again, I found the location of the USB_SUSPEND in the kernel configuration - but it is not there :( |
| 19:18.44 | netrotten | justin with .run of the page of ati |
| 19:19.27 | babilen | netrotten: and you typically want to look at the complete glxinfo output as you might get "direct rendering: Yes" but still use a software renderer |
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| 19:20.23 | Black_Prince | Morten_ Drivers - USB Support - USB Runtime Power Management (autosuspend) and wakeup |
| 19:20.23 | netrotten | babilen yeah, but my error is it http://paste.debian.net/111502/ |
| 19:21.09 | babilen | netrotten: justin asked you a question, i am waiting for the answer as well, just wanted to provide additional information |
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| 19:22.18 | streuner__ | babilen: you need a crystal thingie, you dont need to wait for any infos then :-P |
| 19:22.20 | netrotten | babilen i installer fglrx from de .run file in ati website |
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| 19:22.57 | babilen | netrotten: That is, fortunately, not supported by Debian. You get support for the ATI installation from #ati |
| 19:23.02 | babilen | !tell netrotten -about fglrx |
| 19:23.09 | babilen | !tell netrotten -about fglrx dkms |
| 19:23.23 | babilen | netrotten: Those factoids detail the installation using the Debian method. |
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| 19:25.35 | Morten_ | Black_Prince, I really feel like an idiot, but I seriously can't find it in the menu :( |
| 19:25.47 | jacktheripper | Black_Prince, I'm on 2.6.38-1 now. include/generated/autoconf.h exists along with include/config/auto.conf |
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| 19:26.54 | Leoneof | i see update notifier icon, but when i click on it, it will appear Update Manager in hang mode, can't click on any buttons, how to fix it? |
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| 19:28.25 | pozic | Which package contains the nv driver or nouveau? |
| 19:28.53 | Black_Prince | xserver-xorg-video-nv and xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
| 19:28.58 | pozic | Or: how can I install the nvidia driver in a way that it keeps working? |
| 19:28.59 | Black_Prince | jacktheripper try compiling now |
| 19:29.13 | jacktheripper | Black_Prince, I did, same error |
| 19:29.20 | pozic | I installed it via Debian packages, but I get a wonderful 'no screens found' in my xorg.0.log |
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| 19:29.25 | Black_Prince | Err, what driver? |
| 19:29.42 | pozic | Black_Prince: the one named 'nvidia' |
| 19:30.12 | Black_Prince | !tell pozic -about nvidia-dkms |
| 19:30.18 | Black_Prince | err |
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| 19:31.10 | Black_Prince | damn |
| 19:31.22 | babilen | !tell pozic -about nvidia dkms |
| 19:31.29 | pozic | Black_Prince: how about something that works for unstable? |
| 19:31.48 | Black_Prince | Maybe try installing nvidia-dkms nvidia-glx and nvidia-xconfig |
| 19:32.17 | babilen | !tell pozic -about nvidia |
| 19:32.33 | pozic | babilen: that is not specified to work for unstable |
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| 19:32.50 | babilen | pozic: Note that there are legacy drivers (173/96) and you should make sure that you get the right one. |
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| 19:33.01 | pozic | babilen: there is nothing legacy about this. |
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| 19:33.06 | babilen | pozic: Nothing is "specified to work" in unstable. |
| 19:33.19 | Black_Prince | jacktheripper, what is the name of ntfs driver (and download page) you are trying to compile? |
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| 19:33.26 | babilen | pozic: Sure there is. Why don't you think so? |
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| 19:33.52 | pozic | babilen: my card is not a legacy card. |
| 19:34.17 | babilen | pozic: Ok. I can't know that. |
| 19:34.21 | Black_Prince | Morten_ http://img194.imageshack.us/i/screenshotfl.png/ |
| 19:34.36 | pozic | babilen: unless the whole Geforce 6*** series is already obsolete... |
| 19:34.41 | jacktheripper | Black_Prince, http://www.paragon-software.com/home/ntfs-linux-per/download.html or I could give you the direct link I got after registration. |
| 19:34.57 | Morten_ | Black_Prince, thanks alot! Much appreciated |
| 19:35.12 | Black_Prince | jacktheripper private message me direct link |
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| 19:35.46 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 19:35.47 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.38-1-686 (2.6.38-1); wheezy: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 19:35.50 | babilen | pozic: the packages and upstream drivers are named that way. |
| 19:35.53 | Morten_ | Black_Prince, I don't have that option, but apparently I have to fix some dependencies before it shows for me :) |
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| 19:37.58 | pozic | babilen: I know, and a 6*** is not legacy. |
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| 19:39.28 | pozic | What does error 30 mean in a postinstall script? |
| 19:39.42 | Black_Prince | jacktheripper I got it compiled ... |
| 19:39.49 | pozic | Why can't it also just give a proper error message? |
| 19:39.51 | babilen | pozic: I just wanted to make sure you install the correct drivers to your card by pointing out that there are "legacy" ones. As this does not apply to you I don't see a reason why we should pursue this further. Do you actually run into problems when you follow the "nvidia dkms" factoid? Have they been reported in the BTS and what problems are this? |
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| 19:40.23 | jacktheripper | Black_Prince, o.O |
| 19:40.34 | pozic | babilen: all I want is to install some drivers so I can continue life. |
| 19:40.54 | pozic | babilen: I do not want to report bugs (because the ones I reported have not been fixed for example). |
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| 19:41.03 | MrFrood | pozic: check the exit status bit of the bash man page |
| 19:41.04 | Black_Prince | jacktheripper what happens when you run ./configure ' |
| 19:41.14 | jacktheripper | Black_Prince, wait, did you just ./configure and make ? that works here too. Try ./install.sh |
| 19:42.18 | babilen | pozic: Read the part that starts with "Do you actually ..." again. I can't help you if I don't know what your problems are. |
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| 19:42.47 | pozic | babilen: nvidia-common returns an exit status of 30. |
| 19:43.01 | babilen | pozic: And an error 30 could mean anything, it really depends on the postinst script. "set -x" in the script might give more information (after the shebang) |
| 19:43.13 | pozic | babilen: what is the location of the script? |
| 19:43.26 | pozic | babilen: if that is so, then the SCRIPT IS WRITTEN BY AN IDIOT :) |
| 19:43.36 | babilen | pozic: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ -- but you should know that :) |
| 19:43.36 | pozic | Why does Debian include software written by idiots? |
| 19:43.51 | pozic | babilen: yes, I was already there, except nvidia-common is not listed there. |
| 19:44.05 | ParadoxG | I'm getting an error from apt-get while installing tokyo-tyrant: http://paste.debian.net/111505/. This leaves tokyo-tyrant unable to run afterwards. |
| 19:44.11 | babilen | pozic: Why does a script that returns an error code has to be written by an idiot? |
| 19:44.17 | streuner__ | pozic: you dont unterstand Debian at all. |
| 19:44.40 | pozic | babilen: ok, it is there after all. |
| 19:44.57 | pozic | babilen: because a script should say which preconditions were false. |
| 19:44.57 | babilen | pozic: Why does a script that returns an error code has to be written by an idiot? |
| 19:45.12 | jelly-home | pozic: because it's open source and complies with DFSG. |
| 19:45.15 | pozic | babilen: a computer should either work or provide proof for why it is not working. |
| 19:45.22 | pozic | Anything else is a hack. |
| 19:45.36 | babilen | it does "error 30" |
| 19:45.43 | roe_ | Does anyone know if the database creation methods of debconf support remote db servers? It seems odd to me that every single package that using debconf to configure a database assumes the db server is localhost |
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| 19:45.46 | jelly-home | pozic: nonzero exit status IS proof of not working |
| 19:45.59 | pozic | jelly-home: _constructive_ proof. |
| 19:46.00 | babilen | But it is pointless to discuss this further. |
| 19:46.21 | pozic | It just shows that the mentality of Debian (broken software) does not fit me. |
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| 19:46.35 | streuner__ | pozic: you dont unterstand Debian at all. |
| 19:46.39 | jelly-home | pozic: so long, have fun with something else |
| 19:46.51 | babilen | pozic: Use Debian stable, or another distribution. (I prefer the latter) |
| 19:46.57 | streuner__ | pozic: YOU are part of Debian... |
| 19:47.11 | jelly-home | is not a part of anything! |
| 19:47.13 | Black_Prince | jacktheripper ... It just prints that these files are missing ... It installs it fine |
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| 19:47.32 | streuner__ | jelly-home: you are already assimilated :-) |
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| 19:48.34 | Rodensky | ZykoticK9, justin, babilen, bolt-work, tweek_ - i finished setting up everything i needed and fully moved to debian. thanks a lot and good night :) |
| 19:48.43 | Black_Prince | jacktheripper http://pastebin.com/mc01Wega |
| 19:49.01 | babilen | Rodensky: Wonderful. May you have a good night and enjoy your Debian system! :) |
| 19:49.22 | jacktheripper | Black_Prince, building fails here :S let me pastebin |
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| 19:49.40 | pozic | man bash / error 30 doesn't give me anything useful. Where is this socalled documentation? |
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| 19:49.56 | streuner__ | pozic: we told you |
| 19:50.01 | ParadoxG | also, I'm on debian stable 6 |
| 19:50.09 | streuner__ | pozic: just use what bablien told you before |
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| 19:50.34 | jacktheripper | Black_Prince, http://pastebin.com/137H37Ns |
| 19:51.57 | pozic | streuner__: uh, running it with set -x gives a different result than with set -e. |
| 19:52.07 | pozic | What kind of systems are these? |
| 19:52.41 | babilen | pozic: Return values are, unfortunately, not standardised apart from != 0 == bad |
| 19:52.47 | pozic | AFAIK, the semantics of set -e and set -x should be the same. |
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| 19:52.56 | pozic | There might be somewhat more output in one case. |
| 19:53.11 | pozic | But otherwise it should be the same. The fact that it isn't makes me sick. |
| 19:53.40 | jelly-home | pozic: they do different things. -x does _not_ imply -e |
| 19:53.44 | Black_Prince | *sigh* |
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| 19:53.52 | Black_Prince | I am using 2.6.32-5 kernel and gcc-4.3 ... |
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| 19:54.00 | jelly-home | pozic: man sh is your friend |
| 19:54.03 | Black_Prince | Maybe that's why I am successful at building it |
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| 19:54.45 | babilen | pozic: You know what? If you would like to work on this let us know and provide sufficient information (pastes/hardware info/actual commands + errors). If you want to whine and complain, go somewhere else. I don't want to waste my time on this. We are, actually, trying to help you. |
| 19:54.47 | _pingu | could it be, that between a prepare sql and it's execution are more than 30 secondcs? |
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| 19:55.13 | jelly-home | _pingu: depends on the app/script that does both of those |
| 19:55.57 | jacktheripper | Black_Prince, oh probably. I'll just search for the building errors. |
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| 19:56.11 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 19:56.14 | lenswipe | compiz wont start |
| 19:56.15 | pozic | babilen: man sh RET /set -x RET tells me what -x does, but this does not work for -e. What is the point of manual that cannot be searched with you know like a computer? |
| 19:56.19 | lenswipe | if i try and start compiz i get the following: http://pastebin.com/E3GnYMY1 |
| 19:56.22 | pozic | of a manual* |
| 19:56.24 | lenswipe | can someone take a look? |
| 19:56.40 | babilen | pozic: It is a bash builtin ... see "help set" |
| 19:56.49 | lenswipe | it worked yesterday |
| 19:57.28 | lenswipe | screw it |
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| 19:58.02 | pozic | babilen: ok thanks. I still think the man page should contain such stuff in a simple accessible way. |
| 19:58.04 | dondelelcaro | pozic: it's described in the documentation of the set builtin in the bash manpage... |
| 19:58.16 | Black_Prince | jacktheripper, it seems that ioctl is pulled away from kernel 2.6.36 and up |
| 19:58.17 | Combatjuan | Hello. How can I make dpkg think that I don't have a packaged installed that I do have installed? |
| 19:58.18 | babilen | pozic: Also: 1. Have you followed the "nvidia dkms" factoid? If yes: 2. Do you get any errors? (paste exact commands + errors) 3. Have you checked the BTS if those errors have been reported? (there might be a workaround) |
| 19:58.27 | pozic | How am I supposed to know it is a bash builtin. I do not care about knowing such trivial facts. |
| 19:58.30 | dondelelcaro | Combatjuan: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:58.31 | pozic | That is what computers are for. |
| 19:58.43 | pozic | babilen: yes, possibly it is now working. |
| 19:58.46 | babilen | pozic: "man bash" â Options |
| 19:59.02 | dondelelcaro | pozic: if you want to know how to use a shell, these are kind of important things to know |
| 19:59.08 | Combatjuan | dondelelcaro: I have a broken postgresql-8.4 package that I can't remove or fix (pre/post remove scripts fail). I want apt-get to stop worrying about it. |
| 19:59.16 | jacktheripper | Black_Prince, and that means paragon needs to update their drivers right ? |
| 19:59.24 | Black_Prince | The ioctl ops in struct file_operations is deprecated on 2.6.36. You need to convert it to unlocked_ioctl ops. |
| 19:59.29 | streuner__ | judd, versions postgresql |
| 19:59.30 | judd | Package postgresql on i386 -- lenny: 8.3.13-0lenny1; lenny-security: 8.3.14-0lenny1; sid: 8.4.5-1; lenny-backports: 8.4.5-2~bpo50+1; lenny-backports: 8.4.7-0squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 8.4.7-0squeeze2; squeeze-security: 8.4.7-0squeeze2; sid: 8.4.7-1; lenny-backports-sloppy: 9.0.1-1~bpo50+1; sid: 9.0.1-1; lenny-backports-sloppy: 9.0.3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze-backports: |
| 19:59.31 | Black_Prince | Yes, that's right |
| 19:59.32 | dondelelcaro | Combatjuan: so fix the package. Provide us the complete output from a dpkg --configure -a; run, and we'll help you fix it |
| 19:59.32 | judd | 9.0.3-1~bpo60+1; sid: 9.0.3-1; wheezy: 9.0.3-1 |
| 19:59.48 | Combatjuan | dondelelcaro: It is not fixable. Necessary files are deleted. |
| 19:59.55 | dondelelcaro | Combatjuan: uh... it's always fixable. |
| 20:00.27 | tuxcrafter | somebody that knows how to disable all video in the kernel parms? |
| 20:00.28 | Combatjuan | dondelelcaro: Technically. Fixing it would take an infeasible amount of time. It would be much faster if I could just reinstall over what exists. |
| 20:00.48 | tuxcrafter | i dont want to disable the vga in the bios because that wil mean resetting the bios if something goes wrong |
| 20:00.50 | dondelelcaro | Combatjuan: if that's actually the case, I will tell you to do that once I've seen the output. |
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| 20:01.09 | dondelelcaro | but most likely, it's not... |
| 20:01.10 | Combatjuan | dondelelcaro: You have yourself a deal. (-8 |
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| 20:01.45 | streuner__ | Combatjuan: please tell us more details... |
| 20:02.00 | Combatjuan | dondelelcaro: No output. |
| 20:02.03 | dondelelcaro | streuner__: postgresql is failing for some reason; the dpkg --configure -a; output is what we need. |
| 20:02.19 | dondelelcaro | Combatjuan: if there's no output, then there isn't a problem... where do you see the postrm scripts failing? |
| 20:02.34 | dondelelcaro | Combatjuan: are you trying to remove the postgresql-8.4 package? do you actually want it installed? |
| 20:03.10 | kanneblei | I have a chroot to a debootstrap instalation of squeeze. I added a couple of entries to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/00.list. What could be the reasons of me getting a "E: Unable to locate package"? |
| 20:03.31 | Combatjuan | streuner__: I installed it several months ago, failed something during the setup process (getting a valid database and user), and tried to start over. In the process of trying to fix it, I must have deleted some files it wanted. Trying to fix it, I removed most everything else. |
| 20:03.40 | kanneblei | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 20:03.41 | kanneblei | deb ftp://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 20:03.44 | kanneblei | to be more precise |
| 20:04.09 | dvs | kanneblei: Why do you have both of those sources? |
| 20:04.18 | babilen | !tell kanneblei -about abt |
| 20:04.18 | babilen | !tell kanneblei -about bat |
| 20:04.22 | dondelelcaro | kanneblei: if you provide the complete output, along with the command you're trying to run, we'll be able to see what is going on |
| 20:04.23 | kanneblei | I added brazil's first |
| 20:04.42 | dondelelcaro | Combatjuan: do you want postgresql-8.4 installed? or no? |
| 20:04.42 | kanneblei | apt-get install ssh |
| 20:04.42 | kanneblei | Reading package lists... Done |
| 20:04.42 | kanneblei | Building dependency tree |
| 20:04.42 | kanneblei | Reading state information... Done |
| 20:04.42 | kanneblei | E: Unable to locate package ssh |
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| 20:05.16 | Combatjuan | dondelelcaro: I guess installed. Either way. Once it is properly uninstalled, installing it should be as easy as apt-get install. |
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| 20:05.25 | kanneblei | sorry |
| 20:05.48 | dondelelcaro | Combatjuan: so aptitude install postgresql-8.4; and then show us the output. |
| 20:06.05 | dondelelcaro | kanneblei: use a paste site, and show us the output of apt-get update; apt-cache policy ssh; |
| 20:06.37 | kanneblei | will do |
| 20:07.01 | Combatjuan | dondelelcaro: "Errors were encountered while processing: postgresql-8.4...E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 20:07.32 | dondelelcaro | Combatjuan: the whole output using a paste site... |
| 20:07.37 | Combatjuan | % apt-get install -f: Settining up postgresql-8.4 (--configure): .... subprocess installed post-installation script returning error exit status 2 |
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| 20:07.51 | dvs | Combatjuan: in a paste site!!! |
| 20:07.55 | dondelelcaro | and -f isn't required... |
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| 20:08.14 | Combatjuan | dvs: Sorry. It was only one line... I'll paste now. |
| 20:08.33 | Combatjuan | Is there a preferred paste site? |
| 20:08.41 | streuner__ | dpkg, paste |
| 20:08.41 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 20:08.45 | pozic | How do I get the 260.19.44 kernel driver component? |
| 20:08.58 | kanneblei | dondelelcaro: thank you, it appears to be a firewall issue. Complex firewalls here. =) |
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| 20:09.26 | simonrvn | is systemd stable enough to boot with? |
| 20:09.26 | Combatjuan | dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/111510/ |
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| 20:10.32 | Combatjuan | dondelelcaro: /usr/share/postgresql-common/maintscripts-functions does not exist |
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| 20:10.37 | DexterF | hi |
| 20:10.43 | pozic | Never mind, I think I got it. |
| 20:10.44 | streuner__ | ubuntu? |
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| 20:11.11 | streuner__ | Setting up postgresql-8.4 (8.4.7-0ubuntu0.10.04) |
| 20:11.12 | Combatjuan | streuner__: Me? Yes. |
| 20:11.28 | streuner__ | Combatjuan: are you using ubuntu? |
| 20:11.38 | Combatjuan | streuner__: Again, yes. |
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| 20:11.58 | streuner__ | Combatjuan: please join #ubuntu then :-) |
| 20:11.59 | jhutchins_lt | Combatjuan: Then why are you asking for help in #debian? |
| 20:12.19 | dondelelcaro | Combatjuan: you're going to want to reinstall postgresql-common, and then try again... but this sort of thing is what #ubuntu is for... |
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| 20:12.55 | Combatjuan | I'm here because: a.) I'm not trying to ask about fixing a package, I'm trying to ask about how to make dpkg forget about a package. This is not ubuntu specific. b.) ubuntu could not help, it's not a broken package, I destroyed it. |
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| 20:13.04 | pozic | The XKEYBOARD compiler is now whining about all kinds of stuff... |
| 20:13.14 | jhutchins_lt | Why not ask in #redhat? They have apt too. |
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| 20:13.40 | dondelelcaro | Combatjuan: a) the way you deal with it is to fix the problem b) unfortunately, it's not all that uncommon, but we only support Debian here... otherwise, we'd be in #ubuntu too |
| 20:13.44 | streuner__ | Combatjuan: we support Debian, please respect that. |
| 20:13.54 | pozic | Where is the xkeyboard configuration? |
| 20:14.04 | dondelelcaro | pozic: what in the world are you trying to do? |
| 20:14.15 | pozic | It should have said 'line 5 column 3 of file X' is wrong. |
| 20:14.21 | pozic | Or e.g. could not not be parsed. |
| 20:14.33 | pozic | Instead it just says, yet again, there exists an error _somewhere_. |
| 20:14.46 | Combatjuan | Ok. Again, I'm not trying to make this an ubuntu issue. I certainly didn't try to make it one. I do appreciate that you're trying to help. But if someone is willing, could they answer the original question? Can I make dpkg just stop worrying about it? |
| 20:15.10 | pozic | dondelelcaro: it appears that I already obtained 99% of the goal, which was to get 3d graphics to work again. |
| 20:15.18 | dondelelcaro | Combatjuan: You can, but you actually need to fix the problem. Getting dpkg to forget it won't solve your actual problem. |
| 20:15.23 | Combatjuan | From what you're implying, it is a horrible idea to do that and better to just fix tha package. In this case, I don't think that the ideal solution will work. |
| 20:15.26 | Combatjuan | dondelelcaro: Thank you. |
| 20:15.31 | Combatjuan | Sorry to have been a bother. |
| 20:15.33 | pozic | dondelelcaro: all I need now is get rid of that ridiculous error message and reboot to see it still works (which it did not last time). |
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| 20:15.50 | dondelelcaro | pozic: then you'll actually have to provide us with the full output from whatever it is that you're doing |
| 20:16.05 | dondelelcaro | otherwise, we can't do anything for you |
| 20:16.10 | dondelelcaro | Combatjuan: np; good luck |
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| 20:17.14 | koshak | hi ppl |
| 20:17.15 | koshak | need help with initrd |
| 20:17.17 | pozic | > Error: Meta_R added to symbol map for multiple modifiers |
| 20:17.17 | pozic | > Using Mod4, ignoring Mod1. |
| 20:17.17 | pozic | > Error: Meta_L added to symbol map for multiple modifiers |
| 20:17.22 | pozic | dondelelcaro: etc. |
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| 20:17.37 | koshak | got weird error during the boot |
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| 20:17.54 | pozic | dondelelcaro: I get that when I run startx as root. |
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| 20:18.09 | dondelelcaro | pozic: again, use a paste site to provide the entire output. |
| 20:18.18 | pozic | The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: |
| 20:18.24 | dondelelcaro | pozic: a paste site... not the channel. |
| 20:18.32 | pozic | dondelelcaro: that is the line before it and there is no more useful information there. |
| 20:19.02 | dondelelcaro | pozic: if you don't provide the entire output, including lines which contain useless information, we can't assist you |
| 20:19.19 | pozic | dondelelcaro: was there a CLI paste command? |
| 20:19.32 | dondelelcaro | !tell pozic -about paste |
| 20:19.33 | bmoloney | I have an ext4 filesystem that is (2**32 - 1) blocks in size but resize2fs will not allow me to shrink it (giving the error "File too large while trying to determine filesystem size") |
| 20:19.49 | streuner__ | pozic: pastebinit |
| 20:20.32 | Combatjuan | dondelelcaro: On second thought, I would like to proceed with making dpkg forget about it. I have deleted enough files that "fixing" it properly is no longer an option. I think I'm left with purging any knowledge of it from the system (dpkg -L should facilitate that). |
| 20:20.55 | pozic | Is there also a way I can scroll in my vty? |
| 20:21.24 | dondelelcaro | Combatjuan: again, that won't fix your problem, because the issue isn't with postgresql-8.4 |
| 20:21.31 | Combatjuan | pozic: Try shift-pgup/down |
| 20:21.37 | eptalon | bmoloney: is resize2fs the tool to use for that? |
| 20:22.13 | dondelelcaro | Combatjuan: but because you're not using Debian, this isn't the right support fora... someone in #ubuntu should be able to help you walk through the postinst script to help reinstall the packages whose contents you've partially deleted |
| 20:22.22 | eptalon | bmoloney: also, from other fses (xfs,jfs), they usally support growing, but not shrinking |
| 20:22.24 | jhutchins_lt | eptalon: Apparently not. |
| 20:22.26 | dondelelcaro | (and if they can't, perhaps their webfora can) |
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| 20:23.57 | pozic | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/S6L8MgmV |
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| 20:24.14 | eptalon | jhutchins_lt: btw: tar -czf on the mounted filesystem is much faster. I am at 100G (for a tar.gz), and 117G for the dd image |
| 20:24.23 | pozic | The shigt-pgup/down works on other Linux distros (and other Debians in the past), but not here. |
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| 20:24.42 | eptalon | jhutchins_lt: both on the same volume, so usb3-speed is not the issue |
| 20:24.50 | Miesco | I can't get pastebinit to do syntax highlighting, I do -f python but it doesn't work |
| 20:25.23 | bmoloney | eptalon: resize2fs can grow or shrink ext filesystems |
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| 20:26.07 | dondelelcaro | pozic: that's just xkbcomp complaining about your keymap having Meta_R and Meta_L mapping to multiple modifiers, where they should only be mapped to one. Look at the file, and search for the entries for Meta_R and Meta_L, and choose to have them assigned to either Mod1 or Mod4. |
| 20:26.19 | pozic | dondelelcaro: the file? |
| 20:26.26 | dondelelcaro | (or don't bother to compile a custom keymap; it's not like you need one) |
| 20:26.27 | eptalon | bmoloney: I don't have much experiences with them; I boot from an ext4, but other than that use other kinds (mostly xfs) |
| 20:26.36 | pozic | dondelelcaro: I don't think I even have a custom keymap. |
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| 20:26.52 | pozic | dondelelcaro: but if I do, it should tell me which file is causing the problem. |
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| 20:27.28 | dondelelcaro | pozic: your X init scripts will tell you. You're probably loading an xkm or xkb file somewhere with xkbcomp |
| 20:28.47 | pozic | dondelelcaro: /root/.x<TAB> shows complete unrelated files. |
| 20:28.55 | pozic | completely* |
| 20:29.06 | pozic | dondelelcaro: I was looking for .xinitrc specifically. |
| 20:29.13 | dondelelcaro | pozic: or alternatively, your xorg.conf is specifying a keymap which is not standard. Showing us the configuration files there would also let us know what you're doing |
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| 20:29.26 | dondelelcaro | pozic: uh... why are you starting X as root? |
| 20:29.29 | pozic | dondelelcaro: the xorg.conf is generated by nvidia-xconfig. |
| 20:29.34 | dondelelcaro | *snort* |
| 20:29.38 | dondelelcaro | well, there's your problem. |
| 20:29.51 | dondelelcaro | good luck with that |
| 20:30.22 | pozic | dondelelcaro: uhm, it says Driver kbd. I don't think there is anything non-standard over there. |
| 20:30.49 | dondelelcaro | pozic: and it also should specify a Rules, and a Model, and a Layout. |
| 20:30.54 | eptalon | pozic: can you pastebin? - my crystal ball is getting repaired atm. |
| 20:31.17 | dondelelcaro | and $diety knows if the nvidia installer has stomped over the keymap files... |
| 20:31.20 | pozic | dondelelcaro: it doesn't do that, but if Debian requires that, shouldn't the package then do that... |
| 20:31.26 | jhutchins_lt | Running X as root is like putting a live mains wire in your mouth. You might get away with it... |
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| 20:31.58 | dondelelcaro | pozic: uh.. the nvidia packages that we distribute don't require using nvidia-xconfig |
| 20:32.09 | pozic | http://pastebin.com/zkj0xmC4 |
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| 20:32.39 | pozic | dondelelcaro: so, how do I get a Debian TM Certified xorg.conf file which uses the nvidia driver? |
| 20:32.54 | pozic | if nvidia-xconfig is evil, why do you distribute it? |
| 20:32.59 | jhutchins_lt | !nvidia |
| 20:32.59 | dpkg | Install either <nouveau> (no 3D support) or the appropriate proprietary driver package for your card. For GeForce 6xxx through to some GeForce 400 series, ask me about <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>; for older series, ask about <nvidia dkms-173xx> <nvidia dkms-96xx>. For oldstable, see <nvidia lenny>. nvidia.com packages are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 20:33.05 | sunkan | So I updated to 6.0.1 and now I don't see the mouse pointer in X anymore. I'm thinking that I should try and revert some packages to the older version like xserver-xorg-video-intel. But where can I find the older versions? |
| 20:33.15 | pozic | It has always worked on all other platforms before, so I doubt it is because of nvidia-xconfig. |
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| 20:33.35 | jhutchins_lt | pozic: See that part where it says nvidia.com packages are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 20:33.35 | streuner__ | judd, file nvidia-xconfig |
| 20:33.38 | pozic | jhutchins_lt: that is an entirely different argument. |
| 20:33.38 | judd | nvidia-xconfig in squeeze/i386: nvidia-xconfig: usr/bin/nvidia-xconfig |
| 20:33.48 | streuner__ | omg |
| 20:34.21 | dondelelcaro | pozic: see #504692 for precisely why nvidia-xconfig should not be used... |
| 20:34.35 | streuner__ | dpkg, dbugs 504692 |
| 20:34.35 | dondelelcaro | pozic: and anyway, read http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers which explains precisely what to do |
| 20:34.38 | dpkg | #504692:N[nvidia-xconfig] nvidia-xconfig doesn't handle xorg.conf files generated by dexconf (); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 09:15:02 UTC [] |
| 20:34.41 | babilen | pozic: Please use a snippet like that in the "nvidia dkms" factoid in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ as suggested multiple times. Also, use your actual user not root |
| 20:35.05 | pozic | dondelelcaro: ok, but if that is the case, why does Debian not simply stop distributing stuff which is known not to work? |
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| 20:35.22 | pozic | A program which cannot be run also has no bugs. |
| 20:35.32 | pozic | Or rather, which does not exist. |
| 20:35.54 | babilen | sunkan: You are not the first one with this problem. I would check the bug tracker for information about this problem. I haven't heard a solution insofar yet, hence my suggestion. |
| 20:36.02 | pozic | dondelelcaro: that is a different bug, btw. |
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| 20:36.18 | dondelelcaro | pozic: it's the same underlying problem. |
| 20:36.28 | babilen | pozic: Please use stable not unstable |
| 20:36.35 | dondelelcaro | anyway, best of luck |
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| 20:37.17 | dondelelcaro | sunkan: the older versions are on snapshot.debian.org |
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| 20:37.20 | sunkan | babilen: I see.. but by reverting packages I would be able to get my computer to a usable state again.. Not even sure what update is causing it yet.. |
| 20:37.37 | eptalon | pozic: the very basic problem is that some hw driver manufacturers do not really use open drivers. |
| 20:37.39 | sunkan | dondelelcaro: Ah, that was what I was looking for.. I tried archive but that was not it.. |
| 20:38.07 | sunkan | dondelelcaro: Will see if I can at least narrow down what package that causes the issue.. |
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| 20:38.18 | dondelelcaro | sunkan: nah, archive.d.o has previous releases. snapshot.d.o has all of the packages we've released since sometime in 2009 |
| 20:38.23 | dondelelcaro | (or maybe it was 2010) |
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| 20:38.32 | babilen | sunkan: me neither and I haven't yet had the time to investigate the issue (and am myself not affected) ... Everybody reporting it had an intel card though, so I would start with bugs filed against xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 20:38.59 | eptalon | babilen: that package has bugs? |
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| 20:39.18 | babilen | eptalon: I would be surprised if not :) |
| 20:39.35 | GeneralStupid | Hi |
| 20:40.09 | GeneralStupid | I have problems with debian stable iwl3945 WLAN - everytime i connect to a network with channel 1 i get problems |
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| 20:40.27 | babilen | eptalon: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 20:40.34 | terrorpup | I have an issue lvm on my box, I had a power hi-cup and now when it boots up, it says restoring then states that it can't find the VolumeGroup then goes to |
| 20:40.34 | terrorpup | #initramfs, is there a way to restore or fix the lvm |
| 20:40.34 | terrorpup | I am running Debian 5 |
| 20:40.37 | eptalon | babilen: saw, thanks. |
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| 20:41.28 | eptalon | just wanted to tell him I running debian on an lvm with no boot prob to speak off |
| 20:41.31 | pozic | dondelelcaro: I do not see anything related to keyboard mappings there. |
| 20:41.35 | eptalon | (booting off a raid) |
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| 20:42.16 | pozic | dondelelcaro: the wiki also doesn't say anything about sections related to keyboard mappings. |
| 20:42.20 | eptalon | terrorpup: hello there. |
| 20:42.39 | eptalon | terrorpup: I am running with an lvm setting+raid without much hassle |
| 20:42.43 | dondelelcaro | pozic: it does in linking to the bug I described. It also provides a complete xorg.conf |
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| 20:43.28 | SITZ | which one is the IRC channel for gsoc discussion ? |
| 20:43.40 | jhutchins_lt | !gsoc |
| 20:43.40 | dpkg | [SoC] System-on-a-chip, or Summer of Code, a mentoring program created by Google, see http://code.google.com/soc and http://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode . #gsoc on irc.freenode.net, #debian-soc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:44.12 | eptalon | terrorpup: so how can we help you? |
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| 20:45.00 | pozic | dondelelcaro: no, it does not. Yes, the word 'keyboard settings' is there, but don't you think someone would have pasted something similar to what I reported here? |
| 20:45.02 | SITZ | dpkg: i can't find any person ver there ? |
| 20:45.02 | dpkg | SITZ: are you using Windows? |
| 20:45.13 | SITZ | dpkg: no, Ubuntu |
| 20:45.13 | dpkg | SITZ: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 20:45.28 | eptalon | SITZ: dpkg is a bot.. |
| 20:45.34 | SITZ | dpkg: no no |
| 20:45.34 | dpkg | wish i knew, SITZ |
| 20:45.37 | streuner__ | SITZ: please join #ubuntu then |
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| 20:45.43 | SITZ | eptalon: aah |
| 20:46.06 | SITZ | ok.. the problem is i'm right now on freenode |
| 20:46.22 | streuner__ | sure, thats fine... |
| 20:46.26 | SITZ | so can i connect to #debian-soc |
| 20:46.27 | dondelelcaro | SITZ: if you're asking about Debian's GSoC, #debian-soc on irc.oftc.net is the right place |
| 20:46.38 | babilen | SITZ: well, if you want #debian-gsoc it is on irc.debian.org AKA irc.oftc.net |
| 20:46.48 | SITZ | so how to connect ? |
| 20:46.49 | dondelelcaro | SITZ: there's also a mailing list, and I think the wiki may have started up too |
| 20:46.55 | streuner__ | SITZ: or irc.debian.org :-) |
| 20:46.55 | dondelelcaro | SITZ: /server irc.oftc.net; or similar |
| 20:47.03 | babilen | SITZ: #debian-soc that is ,,, /connect irc.debian.org |
| 20:47.05 | dondelelcaro | details are IRC client dependent |
| 20:47.10 | jhutchins_lt | SITZ: please refer to the documentation for your irc client. |
| 20:47.13 | babilen | !tell SITZ -about irc tutorial |
| 20:47.17 | SITZ | i;m using chatzila |
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| 20:47.44 | SITZ | jhutchins: they are really boring to go through :( |
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| 20:48.09 | jhutchins_lt | SITZ: Doesn't matter. I answered your non-debian question, but the discussion should not continue here. |
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| 20:48.56 | SITZ | jhutchins: ya.. thanks for that... but, please tell me how to go to that channel |
| 20:49.28 | SITZ | jhutchins: i'm on freenode.. do i need to leave it before connecting to irc.debian.org ? |
| 20:49.45 | jhutchins_lt | SITZ: I have no idea, I do not use chatzilla on ubuntu. |
| 20:49.56 | jhutchins_lt | SITZ: Perhaps someone in #ubuntu could explain it to you. |
| 20:50.21 | SITZ | jhutchins: thnkx, will contact someone there :) |
| 20:50.39 | eptalon | I do have a slighlty ot question: my bios-upgrade tool wants a windows to run, I don't have a windows. |
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| 20:51.48 | jelly-home | eptalon: find a DOS upgrade tool by/for the same vendor. |
| 20:52.24 | eptalon | jelly-home: yes, that's the other option, I think. |
| 20:52.35 | jelly-home | some vendors even have linux tools |
| 20:52.40 | bmoloney | eptalon: looks like a bug in e2fsprogs for devices that are exactly 16TiB. It is fixed in version 1.41.14 |
| 20:53.04 | eptalon | bmoloney: so all you need to do is get that version. |
| 20:53.49 | eptalon | bmoloney: on a sidenote though, isn't that a large amount of space to spend on one file system? |
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| 20:54.28 | bmoloney | eptalon: yes but I am doing rsync backups of large filesystems, so not any other option |
| 20:55.10 | NetCharlie | is raid 10 still experimental? I have 4*1tb drives and want to raid them, would use RAID 5 but am concerned about disk failure and also not as fast |
| 20:55.36 | eptalon | NetCharlie: what do you consider "experimental"? |
| 20:55.46 | lwithers | NetCharlie: I've been using it for years without problems |
| 20:55.46 | jelly-home | NetCharlie: experimental? I've used md raid10 in 2004 on RHEL4 machines. |
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| 20:56.25 | NetCharlie | I have read its marked as experimental in the kernel |
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| 20:57.03 | eptalon | NetCharlie: though I think with raid5, you get like 3G usable out of the 4, raid 10 is like only 2G usable of the 4 |
| 20:57.07 | jelly-home | NetCharlie: when was that source dated? |
| 20:57.32 | eptalon | NetCharlie: RAID6 would also be 2G usable |
| 20:57.45 | jelly-home | eptalon: with raid5 you also get 2T usable because you're not foolish enough to have a raid 5 or 6 without a hot spare |
| 20:58.02 | eptalon | jelly-home: that's theoretical. |
| 20:58.23 | NetCharlie | Might have been old source on RAID 10, googleing it lots of people claim this |
| 20:58.26 | eptalon | but yes, in general, you have a hot spare |
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| 20:58.53 | jelly-home | oh, if we're talking about a practical situation where loss of data is not important, why use raid at all |
| 20:59.23 | eptalon | only question: does a raid10 setup beat a comparable raid6 setup? |
| 20:59.36 | jelly-home | beat? |
| 20:59.42 | NetCharlie | as in speed? |
| 21:00.02 | eptalon | jelly-home: as in "better" (beta?) solution |
| 21:00.03 | jelly-home | as in more expense per net storage area? Yes |
| 21:00.48 | jelly-home | eptalon: oh. I haven't run md raid6 so I can't comment on it |
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| 22:16.57 | ruif13 | jelly-home what desktop you use? |
| 22:16.59 | ruif13 | gnome? |
| 22:17.02 | jelly-home | AthomIk: have you tried a cups mailing list? One for users if it exists? |
| 22:17.08 | AthomIk | now i see, my updatequota not count pages.... |
| 22:17.19 | eptalon | AthomIk: on my installed cups (localhost:631), there's a page "Printer accounting basics" (in Getting started) |
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| 22:17.26 | jelly-home | ruif13: xfce at present |
| 22:18.36 | eptalon | me too, xfce. |
| 22:18.51 | eptalon | AthomIk: /usr/sbin/lpadmin -p printer -o job-quota-period=604800 \ -o job-page-limit=100 ENTER |
| 22:18.54 | ruif13 | its greate! |
| 22:18.57 | AthomIk | eptalon: this is ok, quota is ok in my printers.conf, make with lpadmin |
| 22:19.20 | AthomIk | but my logs ( level debug ) say : |
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| 22:19.36 | AthomIk | D [21/Mar/2011:22:56:12 +0100] cupsdUpdateQuota: p=Epson-Stylus-SX210 username=fran pages=0 k=158 |
| 22:19.43 | AthomIk | for ever the pages=0 |
| 22:20.02 | eptalon | AthomIk: your printer driver must support page logging. |
| 22:20.05 | AthomIk | if pages=0 never quota is reached |
| 22:20.22 | eptalon | Page logging is only available for drivers that provide page accounting information, typically all PostScript and CUPS raster devices. Raw queues and queues using third-party solutions such as Foomatic generally do not have useful page accounting information available. (on the same page) |
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| 22:20.46 | AthomIk | eptalon: NICE !!! |
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| 22:21.18 | axx_ | my squeeze install went into read-only mode during an aptitude safe upgrade⦠I'm at a loss as to why that could happen |
| 22:21.24 | eptalon | AthomIk: print a one-page-job (or a few of them), and log by job-size |
| 22:21.25 | AthomIk | is a driver problem |
| 22:21.36 | axx_ | (also, hi everyone) |
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| 22:22.17 | streuner__ | axx_: usually a FS issue |
| 22:22.21 | axx_ | well, I have an idea, I tried getting my updates through debdelta-upgrade first |
| 22:22.53 | streuner__ | debdelta? what the fuck is that? |
| 22:23.13 | AthomIk | eptalon: or i find a driver with page accounting |
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| 22:23.35 | eptalon | AthomIk: that's the other option: what printer did you say it was? |
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| 22:23.47 | axx_ | streuner__: thanks, yes apparently there are some issues according to dmesg, I'll try and see what I can get out of it |
| 22:23.52 | turkey | hi channel |
| 22:23.59 | turkey | how are you |
| 22:23.59 | eptalon | hello turkey |
| 22:24.01 | Iridos | streuner__, apt-cache show debdelta |
| 22:24.04 | turkey | privet kak dela |
| 22:24.07 | AthomIk | eptalon: epson sx 215 |
| 22:24.22 | AthomIk | with default debian drivers, not work |
| 22:25.09 | streuner__ | axx_: hm, so tell us what you did |
| 22:25.16 | axx_ | streuner__: the idea is pretty neat, rather than download full debs, you just grab the difference and it does what amount pretty much to a diff/patch (if I understand correctly) |
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| 22:25.25 | axx_ | was about to try for the first time |
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| 22:25.42 | streuner__ | sounds like gentoo |
| 22:25.54 | axx_ | I did aptitude update, debdelta-upgrade to grab the updates, and aptitude safe-upgrade |
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| 22:26.15 | Iridos | axx_, perhaps look for high error rates on the drive with smartctl --all /dev/<yourdrive>, then force an fsck on boot if it's extX or whatever is appropriate for the filesystem |
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| 22:26.34 | axx_ | Iridos: thanks for the advice, I'll check that out |
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| 22:26.46 | streuner__ | axx_: as we told you before, its prolly an FS issue |
| 22:27.05 | Iridos | although you'll probably have a hard time using smartctl if it isn't already installed and you can't write to the system disk :-/ |
| 22:27.08 | axx_ | streuner__: I agree, I've got dmesg messages that point to that |
| 22:27.30 | axx_ | Iridos: I was wondering, but thankfully I'd already installed it before :) |
| 22:27.33 | streuner__ | so just follow the advice of Iridos |
| 22:28.50 | Iridos | oi, actually trying that on my sda, I get 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 120 099 006 Pre-fail Always - 237326498 |
| 22:28.52 | Iridos | heck! |
| 22:29.11 | Iridos | hm, but that parallels the seek-error rate |
| 22:29.53 | axx_ | That's not bad: Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 099 093 051 Pre-fail Always - 1138 |
| 22:30.47 | Iridos | well, it's the same for me as Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x001a 042 024 000 Old_age Always - 237326498 |
| 22:31.28 | Iridos | axx_, I dunno, on sdb this value is 0 (as I thought it should be) |
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| 22:31.47 | eptalon | AthomIk: http://avasys.jp/eng/linux_driver/download/lsb/epson-inkjet/escpr/ ? |
| 22:32.15 | Iridos | and this is a new disk... *sigh* and I haven't started doing backups yet, because I've not been using it for _so_ long (and I'm a lazy lout) |
| 22:32.49 | streuner__ | well, soon or later you pay for it... |
| 22:32.49 | Iridos | so I better start putting backups out on the other disk, I guess... the one with 0 raw read errors |
| 22:33.00 | japheth | Hello! Can someone please tell me how to bypass fsck on reboot, but also how to manually run a fsck without disrupting general server usage? |
| 22:33.23 | AthomIk | eptalon: yes, i remove this a this time for see. but, i have this drivers but no quota with |
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| 22:33.58 | AthomIk | eptalon: debian cups find a sx210 without this |
| 22:34.18 | Iridos | japheth, "shutdown -f" bypasses the check... you can't fsck everything "without disrupting general server usage", you have to mount the disk you want to fsck read-only and that will limit what can be done |
| 22:34.23 | pyrophelia | how do I identify the location of a disk in /dev/ from an ATA error line in the syslog. All I can see is ata11.03 |
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| 22:35.17 | eptalon | AthomIk: AthomIk plus, epson is a large printer manufacturer; you could ask them if they provide such a driver. |
| 22:35.59 | Iridos | and the annoying bit is, that mounting read-only isn't possible when some process already uses the disk... which means you can't usually remount / for a system booted fully into multiuser mode afaik (correct me if that's possible now, it always seemed a silly and unneeded limitation) |
| 22:36.20 | eptalon | AthomIk: I do have a printer from the stone age (HP Laserjet 5M), but I get the page count. |
| 22:36.43 | Iridos | the stone age had printers! |
| 22:36.44 | Iridos | amazing! |
| 22:36.54 | japheth | Iridos: ah ok, thanks. in that case, is there a way to force fsck on reboot? then I can at least schedule it |
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| 22:36.55 | AthomIk | eptalon: yes, i have inkjet and daughter..... expensive printer :D |
| 22:36.57 | gnugr | japheth: To instruct your system to execute <fsck> on the next boot: "touch /forcefsck". Useful for checking the root filesystem for errors (via /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh). Alternatively, supply the -F option to shutdown(8) to create the /forcefsck advisory file, or include "forcefsck" at the kernel command line (Squeeze). |
| 22:37.17 | japheth | ah perfect! |
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| 22:37.45 | AthomIk | eptalon ok is a epson problem drivers, via avasys.jp |
| 22:38.12 | Iridos | japheth, you can probably do it from the running server on most systems... as for forcing... see gnugr or man shutdown (-F should also do it, but that just also touches /forcefsck, afaik) |
| 22:38.48 | japheth | Iridos: Great, I think I have something to go on now at least. Thanks! |
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| 22:39.42 | Iridos | japheth, err, on most disks... it's just / that seems to be used by e.g. bash/login on consoles or X etc. (if your server doesn't have those running, you don't have the limitation... doesn't hurt to try to "mount -o remount,ro /" and/or see which processes block it with fuser -m /) |
| 22:39.44 | eptalon | AthomIk: http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Epson/Epson-Stylus_SX215 suggest using gutenprint |
| 22:40.22 | streuner__ | well, gutenprint is rather unusal |
| 22:40.42 | streuner__ | but that shows how epsons supported... |
| 22:41.08 | Iridos | streuner__, you're not in #d-o! |
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| 22:41.48 | Iridos | how am I supposed to talk badly about all the people here behind their back if you're not there! |
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| 22:42.11 | AthomIk | eptalon: yes i re test debian default MakeModel Epson Stylus SX215 - CUPS+Gutenprint v5.2.6 |
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| 22:46.04 | streuner__ | jeno: just log as a normal user |
| 22:46.42 | streuner__ | Iridos: you are insane or you have just a really black soul :-) |
| 22:47.17 | streuner__ | jeno: using IRC as root isnt very clever |
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| 22:50.16 | axx_ | there's no way I can fsck the partition on which I have a running /, right ? :D |
| 22:50.31 | babilen | !tell axx_ -about forcefsck |
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| 22:50.42 | babilen | axx_: Or boot a live cd and fsck it from there |
| 22:50.58 | axx_ | that's more what I was thinking about yeah babilen |
| 22:51.04 | babilen | axx_: I recommend GRML, but debian live or any other would work to |
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| 22:51.48 | Rienzilla | Hi everyone |
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| 22:52.50 | Iridos | streuner__, WHAT?! |
| 22:52.59 | Rienzilla | I just upgraded a machine from lenny to squeeze, and it seems postgres created a new database cluster instead of upgrading the existing one. I read the readme in /usr/share/doc, but the suggested command to upgrade the cluster fails because the old cluster is not running (since squeeze deinstalled postgres 8.3) |
| 22:53.01 | hesco | I have two drives on a hardware RAID1, and would like to build my host system on a 20gb partition at the beginning, allowing 32gb for a swap directory and the balance devoted to an LVM2 for the Guest machines. I've tried this multiple ways but can't seem to satisfy the installer's partitioning tool. Can anyone please advise how I could accomplish this please? |
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| 22:54.17 | hesco | Rienzilla: you want to edit the pg config file, have it listen on some other port, then relaunch it, so you have both the old and new versions running. |
| 22:54.38 | n1md4 | hesco: are you starting with blank drives? |
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| 22:54.50 | Iridos | axx_, yes, it's possible, but as I said, usually there's some programs blocking you from mounting read-only by having constant access to it - I told you how to check for access up there ... if you have to kill too many of the important processes, you might just as well reboot, though |
| 22:55.05 | hesco | look at /etc/postgresql/x.x/main/postgresql.conf/etc/postgressql |
| 22:55.16 | Rienzilla | hmkay |
| 22:55.39 | hesco | n1md4: maybe not at the moment, but would be happy to wipe them clean, they were clean only a few days ago when I started this process |
| 22:57.07 | axx_ | thanks Iridos I'll reboot, sonuds just as good |
| 22:57.12 | hesco | Rienzilla: I doubt that squeeze de-installed pg 8.3, it probably just installed the next version in a parrallel directory |
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| 22:57.35 | n1md4 | hesco: also which 'installer' were you referring to? I know trying to configure RAID using the Debian installer while there's RAID meta-data on the drives can cause a headache. |
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| 22:57.45 | Rienzilla | hmm, I don't know why,. but 8.3 is gone after the upgrade |
| 22:57.55 | Rienzilla | maybe I did it myself. I don't know |
| 22:58.03 | Rienzilla | temporarily installing 8.3 makes the upgrade work |
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| 22:58.37 | hesco | Rienzilla: look in /var/lib/postgresql/ and tell me how many version numbered directories you have there. |
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| 22:59.14 | AthomIk | i have a D [21/Mar/2011:23:55:45 +0100] [CGI] perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 22:59.17 | AthomIk | D [21/Mar/2011:23:55:45 +0100] [CGI] perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 22:59.20 | AthomIk | D [21/Mar/2011:23:55:45 +0100] [CGI] LANGUAGE = (unset), |
| 22:59.20 | AthomIk | erfff |
| 22:59.22 | AthomIk | D [21/Mar/2011:23:55:45 +0100] [CGI] LC_ALL = (unset), |
| 22:59.54 | hesco | n1md4: I used the BIOS' tool to build a hardware RAID between the two blank drives, then the debian squeeze installer to build the system. I enabled the ssh installer and am now logged in that way trying to complete the process |
| 23:00.01 | AthomIk | sorry |
| 23:00.05 | Rienzilla | hesco: just one, now |
| 23:00.10 | Rienzilla | but it's been resolved |
| 23:00.30 | Rienzilla | I installed 8.3 from lenny, performed a pg_upgradecluster, and subsequently dropped the old cluster |
| 23:00.32 | hesco | Athomlk: try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 23:01.02 | Rienzilla | thanks |
| 23:01.08 | hesco | all resolved tickets are good tickets |
| 23:01.22 | Rienzilla | yes :-) |
| 23:01.34 | babilen | hesco: sudo is not necessarily installed and/or configured |
| 23:01.42 | hesco | perhaps not |
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| 23:01.49 | n1md4 | hesco: Ah! I assumed you where using software RAID, for no particular reason. I can't really say, but I've had weirdness using BIOS RAID, better with software RAID unless you've a decent controller card, from my experience. |
| 23:01.51 | babilen | hesco: just saying |
| 23:02.19 | Iridos | why didn't debhelper kick him for pasting... bot's broken! |
| 23:02.23 | hesco | sudo is one of the first tools I add to most any machine I build |
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| 23:03.13 | hesco | hos would I know what sort of RAID controller card I might have? And if it is any good? |
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| 23:03.29 | hesco | s/hos/how/ |
| 23:03.33 | dondelelcaro | hesco: lspci; will tell you |
| 23:03.42 | hesco | thanks, taking a look now |
| 23:04.02 | AthomIk | hesco: yes i have dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 23:04.41 | hesco | so lspci reports: 02:05.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3114 [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller (rev 02) |
| 23:05.07 | hesco | Is that one worth working with, or should I bypass it in favor of software RAID ??? |
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| 23:05.41 | rootatwc | does anyone here knows how to start mysql into safe mode? |
| 23:05.52 | n1md4 | hesco: I meant a decent piece of metal on your PCIe bus. Anything built into the motherboard is going to be a bit check, and usually adds overhead to the cpu too. I'd have a go with software RAID, see how it works out for you. |
| 23:05.57 | hesco | run which mysqld_safe |
| 23:06.13 | rootatwc | thanks hesco |
| 23:06.18 | dondelelcaro | hesco: yeah, that's something I'd default to software raid with |
| 23:06.29 | dondelelcaro | (and frankly, nowadays, I'm starting to default to software raid for most things) |
| 23:06.31 | hesco | thanks for the advice. |
| 23:06.36 | n1md4 | hesco: Once online, check your rebuild speeds, you're looking for something around 70MB/s |
| 23:06.46 | n1md4 | ..using cat /proc/mdadm |
| 23:06.50 | dondelelcaro | dealing with software raid is far easier when things fail |
| 23:06.56 | n1md4 | +1 |
| 23:07.01 | hesco | that is what I need. |
| 23:07.12 | Rienzilla | is not really happy with i/o speeds for soft raid6 though |
| 23:07.17 | aypea[3] | well. recent spam assassin rules update kinda rooted me. |
| 23:07.19 | hesco | I'll sacrifice performance for maintainability |
| 23:07.32 | n1md4 | You can't beat decent hardware RAID6 though ;) |
| 23:07.37 | Rienzilla | for raid1, md is awesome |
| 23:07.51 | Rienzilla | i like raid6 |
| 23:07.53 | hesco | that is all I need, to mirror my clients data |
| 23:08.12 | aypea[3] | just fished out 200 emails from the spam folder. meh |
| 23:08.15 | Rienzilla | a lot needs to go wrong in order to lose your data |
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| 23:08.37 | AthomIk | where is the result of "dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
| 23:08.38 | hesco | I don't have a disk array to support anything else and in fact had to break out a saw and drill to modify the drive mount to accomodate a second SATA drive as it is |
| 23:08.49 | n1md4 | I'd advise you wipe the drives (with the dd command I posted above), and ensure onboard RAID is disabled in the BIOS. |
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| 23:09.08 | n1md4 | Re: saw and a drill!!! xD |
| 23:10.54 | hesco | the machine came to me free and promises to save me $130 / month in cloud hosting costs after my monthly rental for iu of rackspace and power. Seemed like a small price to pay. |
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| 23:11.50 | hesco | n1md4: I missed your dd command, but assume something like: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda would do the trick? |
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| 23:13.22 | n1md4 | hesco: add this to the end: bs=1024 count=1024 |
| 23:13.44 | n1md4 | Works like a charm for me ... for nuking partition tables anyway. |
| 23:14.47 | hesco | so I assume I want three matching partitions on each drive: 20gb, 32gb and 448gb, an lvm2 on the paired 20gb drives and the paired 448gb partitions. This is where I get confused. Never built lvm2 / raid before. |
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| 23:15.37 | sako | hey guys generally is testing more stable than unstable? how does this all work :/ |
| 23:15.51 | gnugr | hesco: take a view there: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410 |
| 23:15.52 | sako | im assuming it goes unstable -> testing -> stable? |
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| 23:16.28 | themill | sako: broken in different ways, is probably a better way of looking at it |
| 23:16.28 | Sakara | I've just done a basic install amd64 from the 6.0.0 netinstall media. The machine I've installed it on won't hold its IP even though I've configured /ete/network/interfaces to static. Any ideas? |
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| 23:17.36 | japheth | Does anyone know of a workaround for this issue? (other than upgrading to latest stable) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=517586 |
| 23:18.22 | n1md4 | hesco: What are you using the 448G partition for? |
| 23:18.46 | themill | japheth: that bug is fixed in oldstable, not just in stable. |
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| 23:19.25 | japheth | themill: so if I'm currently on kernel 2.6.26-2-amd64, I should've upgraded by now? |
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| 23:20.24 | themill | japheth: that should be fixed, yes. |
| 23:21.20 | japheth | themill: oh ok... so I shouldn't even be seeing the problem? (aka something else is causing it) |
| 23:21.45 | themill | japheth: well you're not seeing that exact problem, presumably. |
| 23:22.40 | hesco | the 20gb is for booting my Host machine, the 448gb is to divvy up among my guest machines |
| 23:22.49 | japheth | themill: no, mine seems to be being caused by sendmail, but it is still the "INFO: task * blocked for more than 120 seconds" issue and freezing the system |
| 23:22.52 | hesco | I intend to install KVM on this once a system is built |
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| 23:26.06 | japheth | well there goes my troubleshooting for a while... the boss just locked us all out fiddling with iptables... |
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| 23:28.05 | Sakara | Fresh install of Squeeze from netinstall 6.0.0 medium won't hold a static IP any ideas? |
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| 23:28.36 | streuner__ | Sakara: edit interfaces then |
| 23:29.34 | Sakara | streuner__: I did. They are correct for a little while, then after some time it gets changed to a DHCP assigned address |
| 23:29.48 | saturne | mhhh... if a directories /home/folder1/folder2/folder3, all this folder are in drwxr--r-- user / group root.. and files in folder3 -rwxr--r-- user root group root, it's normal a user as www-data can't read it?? i put for 'other' flag read (S_IROTH) |
| 23:29.49 | streuner__ | heh |
| 23:29.55 | twinkie_addict | whats the security repo i need to add cant find it any where on mline and the debian site just talks about 6.0.0 im locooking to get the 6.0.1 update . i did aptitude update aptitude dist-upgrade nothing came down |
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| 23:30.07 | streuner__ | Sakara: why it would change to DHCP? |
| 23:30.38 | twinkie_addict | oh im in cli only system not update manager |
| 23:30.52 | twinkie_addict | not = no |
| 23:30.55 | themill | twinkie_addict: any information for 6.0.0 and 6.0.1 is the same; there's only a handful of packages that differ between them. |
| 23:30.57 | streuner__ | dpkg, +tell twinkie_addict -about security |
| 23:30.57 | dpkg | told twinkie_addict about security. |
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| 23:31.02 | Sakara | streuner__: I've no idea. Its a real pain in the backside since I am not near the machine. Had to use another machine to find it |
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| 23:31.57 | Sakara | Is there perhaps something in the cron.hourly? |
| 23:32.07 | streuner__ | nah |
| 23:32.29 | streuner__ | its all an interfaces issue, if you use that to connect |
| 23:33.04 | Sakara | I did not use a static IP for the install will that be the cause? |
| 23:33.18 | twinkie_addict | is there a seprate repo from the deefauts to add ? i have to do this by hand no problem just want to stay up to date |
| 23:34.08 | streuner__ | Sakara: look at /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples and edit your interfaces file for your needs |
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| 23:34.43 | themill | !show sources.list twinkie_addict |
| 23:34.43 | dpkg | twinkie_addict: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
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| 23:36.36 | Sakara | streuner__: Its a very simeple file I am certain it will work should things behave as normal |
| 23:36.38 | Rovanion | Is it so that some packages that are in Squeeze are not in testing? |
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| 23:37.00 | Sakara | It definatly is syntacically correct since the IP is correct for a little while. |
| 23:37.11 | twinkie_addict | ok give me a sec im in cli |
| 23:37.21 | babilen | Sakara: paste it please |
| 23:37.25 | Rovanion | like this package: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/kde-config-gtk-style |
| 23:37.40 | babilen | !tell Sakara about paste |
| 23:37.57 | AthomIk | in debian cups all drivers are (en) ? |
| 23:38.04 | streuner__ | nah |
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| 23:38.11 | streuner__ | most of them |
| 23:38.22 | Sakara | babilen: auto eth / iface eth0 inet static ..... |
| 23:38.24 | sako | so if you _must_ grab and build from source from either wheezy or the other unstable branch, which one is safer? |
| 23:38.37 | sako | i know both are a big risk but if you had to.... |
| 23:38.41 | Sakara | its the same as every other machine I have |
| 23:38.50 | Sakara | except of course different address |
| 23:38.55 | daemonkeeper | Mhm, is it still not possible to create an anonymous interface in interfaces(5)? I.e. one without IP? |
| 23:38.57 | streuner__ | dpkg, listkeys static |
| 23:38.58 | themill | Sakara: do you have something like network manager or dhclient running? |
| 23:38.58 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'static' by key (2): static route ;; _default static route. |
| 23:39.07 | streuner__ | dpkg, static route |
| 23:39.07 | dpkg | To add a static route in Debian, just put "up /sbin/route add -net ...." for the relevant network interface in /etc/network/interfaces . See also <interfaces>. |
| 23:39.35 | Sakara | themill: I've only done the base install no gui no nothing |
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| 23:39.48 | streuner__ | hm |
| 23:39.52 | Sakara | themill: I did use a DHCP address to download the base packages through |
| 23:40.01 | streuner__ | why? |
| 23:40.02 | themill | would be checking what is actually running |
| 23:40.24 | streuner__ | (if you are using a static IP...) |
| 23:40.44 | Sakara | It gets auto assigned as I spam the next key during the install |
| 23:41.03 | Sakara | *shrug* Always figured I could set it to static after the install |
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| 23:41.17 | Sakara | ok dhclient has a process running |
| 23:41.24 | themill | there's your answer |
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| 23:41.45 | Sakara | will killing it solve my problem. even after the server gets rebooted? |
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| 23:42.24 | streuner__ | sure, if interfaces is correct... |
| 23:42.44 | Sakara | great news will give it a go |
| 23:42.45 | Sakara | thanks |
| 23:44.18 | twinkie_addict | the only thing i have is /etc/apt/sources.list and what there is main and updates |
| 23:44.34 | twinkie_addict | no security repo |
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| 23:44.40 | streuner__ | we told you |
| 23:44.48 | themill | dpkg: tell twinkie_addict about make squeeze sources.list |
| 23:44.51 | streuner__ | about <security> |
| 23:46.28 | Sakara | themill, streuner__ : thank you, server has correct IP after a reboot |
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| 23:55.57 | twinkie_addict | i did aptitude dist-upgrade -t 6.0.1 was that correct ? |
| 23:56.20 | twinkie_addict | if so i got no updates so that may meen im already curent |
| 23:56.22 | themill | twinkie_addict: no. |
| 23:56.41 | dvs | twinkie_addict: 6.0.1 is suppose to be "squeeze" |
| 23:56.48 | dvs | if you want squeeze |
| 23:57.21 | themill | you shouldn't be specifying releases with -t and using things like upgrade at the same time |
| 23:57.59 | themill | twinkie_addict: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html#s-apt-get |
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