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| 00:02.25 | twinkie_addict | im already on squees 6.0 |
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| 00:03.18 | dvs | twinkie_addict: And you want 6.0.1? |
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| 00:09.49 | twinkie_addict | yeh i want 6.01 |
| 00:10.14 | dvs | twinkie_addict: Then just "aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade" |
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| 00:10.54 | Lanz | Hey everyone, I have a 2 terabyte Western Digital Caviar Green external hard drive formatted as NTFS (to use with Windows and Linux). Upon plugging it in today, the hard drive is empty, but still says it has 20.1GB free and is 99% used when browsed from Konqeror/Dolphin. Testdisk shows the partition and doesn't report any errors during analysis. How can I get my files back? |
| 00:10.57 | twinkie_addict | it doesnt give me any upgrades when i do that |
| 00:10.59 | themill | of course, "safe-upgrade" should be sufficient |
| 00:11.12 | twinkie_addict | ill try one more time |
| 00:11.22 | themill | twinkie_addict: please pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" |
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| 00:12.00 | EllaRose19 | lolllll http://goo.gl/8n8xj |
| 00:13.14 | fredden | what's the best way to get some attention on a bug report? |
| 00:13.32 | saturne | fredden, |
| 00:13.40 | saturne | fredden a big donation :D |
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| 00:14.30 | themill | fredden: attach a patch to it that solves the problem. |
| 00:16.34 | fredden | themill, done. |
| 00:16.45 | dvs | o_O |
| 00:16.54 | dvs | that was fast |
| 00:17.15 | themill | bug number? |
| 00:17.16 | fredden | has been in that state for over a month |
| 00:17.24 | fredden | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=561864 |
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| 00:18.06 | saturne | not using shadow passwords ? |
| 00:19.38 | twinkie_addict | lol i feel silly i just did a check on version via mc and it sead i was allread at 6.0.1 lol sorry for all the dumb questions thanks for the help though |
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| 00:20.01 | fredden | saturne, NIS |
| 00:20.17 | dvs | twinkie_addict: There's an option that will automatically install security updates in the background. |
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| 00:20.49 | twinkie_addict | oh ? whats that ? |
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| 00:21.15 | twinkie_addict | or is it enabled be default |
| 00:21.21 | dvs | twinkie_addict: I found it in the software updates app |
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| 00:21.29 | dvs | yes, it is enabled by default. |
| 00:21.43 | twinkie_addict | ok |
| 00:22.18 | Rodensky | i googled and i didn't fint the sources/repos i should add to debian in order to install libreoffice |
| 00:22.35 | thepro4ever | i need a command that will iterate through the files of a directory and subdirectories and replace all carriage new line pairs in the files with just new lines |
| 00:22.35 | Rodensky | *find |
| 00:22.37 | twinkie_addict | i though i was running 6.0 as that was the iso i downloaded must have upgrade dering instal or after that when it came out today |
| 00:22.49 | thepro4ever | i need a command that will iterate through the files of a directory and subdirectories and replace all carriage return new line pairs in the files with just new lines |
| 00:23.23 | themill | Rodensky: libreoffice isn't available for squeeze. The Openoffice that is in squeeze contains many of the patches that are in LibO anyway. |
| 00:23.38 | thepro4ever | i need a command that will iterate through the files of a directory and subdirectories and replace all carriage return new line pairs in the files with just new lines |
| 00:24.04 | Rodensky | themill, thank you for your answer. is there a release date for libre for squeeze? |
| 00:24.22 | dvs | Rodensky: It won't be released for squeeze. |
| 00:24.23 | twinkie_addict | sorry again for silly qwestions not 100% used to running debian cli only |
| 00:24.29 | dvs | Rodensky: it might be backported. |
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| 00:25.10 | themill | Rodensky: there will never be libreoffice in squeeze. /msg dpkg stable. It might one day appear on backports.debian.org when it is no longer a baby-eating monster and actually suitable for general use |
| 00:25.22 | Rodensky | dvs you were not here earlier when i thanked people for their help, so i want to thank you now :) |
| 00:25.38 | dvs | looks aruond |
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| 00:25.46 | dvs | around |
| 00:26.09 | thepro4ever | i need a command that will iterate through the files of a directory and subdirectories and replace all carriage return new line pairs in the files with just new lines |
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| 00:26.34 | dvs | np |
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| 00:27.28 | fredden | thepro4ever, what have you tried so far? |
| 00:27.47 | fredden | apart from posting the same message repeatedly in this channel |
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| 00:29.06 | davetoo | howdy; fairly new debian user here. I have a home lab mostly comprising an ESXi server, and have been using it to kickstart CentOS vms. I'm looking at FAI; for speed I want all of the package I need to exist on my local system. Can I create a suitable "mirror" by mounting/busting some or all of the DVD ISOs? |
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| 00:29.42 | themill | davetoo: you could use debmirror or, better, a proxy server like approx. |
| 00:29.48 | Rodensky | themill, http://www.libreoffice.org/download/ - there is an option to download *.deb packages for linux, distro is not mentioned, this is what is suppose to be in the backport or is it exclusive for ubuntu? |
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| 00:30.03 | themill | Rodensky: you'd have to ask them. |
| 00:30.10 | Rodensky | ok thanks |
| 00:30.21 | thepro4ever | fredden i have tried this find ./ -type d -name "RJ" -exec find {} -type f -exec ls -l {} \; |
| 00:30.26 | themill | Rodensky: my experience of the .debs from openoffice.org is not good, however. |
| 00:30.29 | thepro4ever | fredden: woops not right |
| 00:30.58 | thepro4ever | fredden i have tried this find ./ -type d -name "mytextFiles" -exec find {} -type f -exec sed magic {} \; |
| 00:31.06 | thepro4ever | i have no fucking clue |
| 00:31.15 | davetoo | since I've already spent so much time downloading the ISO torrents, was wondering if I could seed such a mirror with those. And, yeah, I only want i386 and x64 versions of stable, right now. |
| 00:31.24 | themill | dpkg: tell thepro4ever about using find |
| 00:31.43 | Rodensky | themill, is it worth a try or better i wait for a miracle? |
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| 00:31.45 | themill | thepro4ever: rather than using some sed, you could look at "dos2unix". Ask dpkg about it. |
| 00:32.06 | thepro4ever | dpkg: tell thepro4ever about using dos2unix |
| 00:32.14 | davetoo | 'k I'll go digging around more about debmirror |
| 00:32.29 | themill | thepro4ever: you probably just wanted "/msg dpkg dos2unix" |
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| 00:32.43 | fredden | thepro4ever, I don't understand the double-find. how about: find myTextFiles -type f -execdir sed -i 's/\r\n/\n/gms' {} + # Note: untested, just written into IRC client |
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| 00:33.29 | thepro4ever | fredden, the double find is because i need to find directories named mytextfiles then i can recurse through that directory for files to replace the cr/lf |
| 00:33.57 | fredden | ah, okay. in that case stick with what you have, and investigate dos2unix :) |
| 00:33.59 | anisfarhana | Hello..good morning. |
| 00:34.03 | anisfarhana | Does grub support RAID1, and, if so, how do I set grub up on a RAID1 system? |
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| 00:34.12 | anisfarhana | I got fatal error on md0 here , debian 6 |
| 00:34.21 | anisfarhana | Anyone can advise me on this matter ? |
| 00:34.30 | thepro4ever | can dos2unix be passed a whole directory as an argument from find? |
| 00:34.36 | fredden | anisfarhana, hardware or software raid? grub is installed into the boot sector |
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| 00:34.51 | twinkie_addict | is the framebuffer enabled by default in debian id like to wach downloaded movies with mplayer wich i know plays movies in the fb |
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| 00:35.06 | fredden | thepro4ever, try: sudo apt-get install dos2unix; man dos2unix |
| 00:35.23 | anisfarhana | fredden: i believe it is software raid by debian. |
| 00:36.13 | knoxy | hi! I'm trying to install Debian 6 in my DL120 G6 with RAID 1+0 Smart Array B110i SATA.. It's possible? Debian detect the logical volumes normally? |
| 00:36.16 | fredden | anisfarhana, so grub will need to be installed into the boot sector of all devices involved (probably two) |
| 00:36.39 | fredden | knoxy, try it |
| 00:36.40 | anisfarhana | fredden: i guess it need to be install under /dev/md0 |
| 00:37.01 | anisfarhana | fredden: md0 --> active raid1 sda1[0] sdb1[1] |
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| 00:37.56 | lvh | Hello! Is there a way to tell apt-get/aptitude to reinstall a particular packages, recursively including dependencies, even if they are currently installed (with a higher version, and that version is no longer installable) |
| 00:38.01 | lvh | Basically, replace existing packages with highest currently-installable version. |
| 00:38.12 | fredden | anisfarhana, so grub will need to be installed into sda & sdb, and into "/boot" wherever that happens to live |
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| 00:38.44 | fredden | lvh, sounds like an upgrade |
| 00:39.06 | anisfarhana | fredden: i tried /dev/sda and /dev/sdb , both failed with "fatal error" message. |
| 00:39.12 | lvh | fredden: Nah -- the currently installed version is higher. |
| 00:39.25 | lvh | fredden: It is also broken. And no longer installable (I removed the repository) |
| 00:39.43 | fredden | anisfarhana, you'll likely need an initramfs; not sure what the debian way is for that |
| 00:40.13 | fredden | lvh, in aptitude you'll be able to choose the exact version from the list at the bottom of the package view |
| 00:40.43 | anisfarhana | fredden: uh oh , it is all greek to me now :/ |
| 00:41.30 | LinuxGuy2009 | I just downloaded and burned the new 6.0.1 update DVD for my offline machine to update. I added the disk in synaptic and I hit mark all upgrades and it doesn't mark any packages for upgrade. Is there something I missed? |
| 00:42.11 | anisfarhana | Is there anyone here want to throw the suggestions ? |
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| 00:45.30 | dvs | LinuxGuy2009: Did you update first? |
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| 00:45.57 | dvs | reload i mean |
| 00:46.19 | jhutchins_lt | I think aptitude update - load the filelist from the new source. |
| 00:47.31 | LinuxGuy2009 | dvs: Yes. Tried synaptic and aptitude both. |
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| 00:52.33 | LinuxGuy2009 | dvs: Yes I did update. I also have the 8 DVD repo set and they all work just fine. |
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| 00:53.02 | LinuxGuy2009 | dvs: And I know that there are newer packages that need updated. |
| 00:53.50 | dvs | LinuxGuy2009: apt-cdrom add? |
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| 00:55.49 | twinkie_addict | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:56.48 | twinkie_addict | i added the line exactly as it told me to but it errors on aptitiude update it pus / where ther are none in the sources.list |
| 00:57.26 | LinuxGuy2009 | dvs: Ok Ill give that a go and see. brb |
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| 00:58.39 | twinkie_addict | i checked 5 times to make sure i had it enter right i have no idea whets up |
| 00:58.43 | AthomIk | bye |
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| 01:00.04 | LinuxGuy2009 | dvs: http://pastebin.com/PMZCprXX |
| 01:01.09 | dvs | LinuxGuy2009: dunno about that |
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| 01:02.13 | dvs | LinuxGuy2009: Oh wait. It couldn't find any source debs. Try "aptitude safe-upgrade" now. |
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| 01:03.18 | LinuxGuy2009 | dvs: k |
| 01:03.42 | knoxy | fredden: No.. debian 6.0.1 cant detect my logical volume (smart array b110i) |
| 01:03.56 | thepro4ever | how many -exec arguments can be chained into the find command? |
| 01:04.01 | knoxy | I'll try to install debian testing.. |
| 01:04.44 | LinuxGuy2009 | dvs: Nothing. |
| 01:05.23 | twinkie_addict | nfor some reason aptitude update cant read the security repo with contrib and non-free added i removed and it sead cant read sources lins |
| 01:05.36 | wolfric | what's the difference between these 2 in my sources file? http://pastebin.com/0JPxANJA |
| 01:06.57 | dvs | wolfric: the first is the security repo and the second is the main repo |
| 01:06.59 | wolfric | why is one squeeze/updates and the other squeeze-updates |
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| 01:07.31 | wolfric | dvs: and security updates aren't available in the main repo? |
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| 01:08.37 | dvs | wolfric: no |
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| 01:09.17 | wolfric | dvs: is there any particular reason for the way it's written? as in '-' vs '/' |
| 01:09.21 | dvs | wolfric: Sorry, the second is the new place for the volitile entries |
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| 01:10.13 | wolfric | dvs: are there any other names? like other than squeeze-updates or just squeeze? |
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| 01:11.49 | dvs | wolfric: "squeeze" is the main repo. "squeeze-updates" is the former volitile repo. |
| 01:11.51 | LinuxGuy2009 | dvs: Im wondering if there was a problem with the Update DVD. The packages file on the disk is blank. |
| 01:12.26 | dvs | LinuxGuy2009: Could be. I haven't seen it. |
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| 01:12.27 | wolfric | dvs: it just seems like a very odd standard. It seems to me it would be a lot cleaner to simply have "updates" or "security-updates" as a component such as main or contrib |
| 01:12.51 | dvs | wolfric: true |
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| 01:13.43 | wolfric | dvs: reckon it would be worth mentioning on a mailing list/forum for consideration? |
| 01:14.24 | dvs | wolfric: I doube anything would be done. I think security is its own group. |
| 01:15.04 | MrFrood | wolfric: the current system makes it easier to id security updates if one is downloading for off-line updates |
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| 01:16.00 | twinkie_addict | it keeps erroring on the repo that dmdg gave me |
| 01:16.33 | wolfric | MrFrood: it seems to be it'd be just as easy to search for a componenet as it would for a "distribution" as the debian wiki puts it |
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| 01:17.16 | wolfric | MrFrood: If i'm wrong however, could you elaborate more? |
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| 01:18.08 | MrFrood | nah, that's a fair point |
| 01:18.48 | MrFrood | twinkie_addict: which repro? |
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| 01:23.06 | MrWGW- | hey there |
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| 01:23.20 | MrWGW- | I've installed mysql client but there's no "mysql" binary in my $PATH or on the system |
| 01:23.25 | MrWGW- | I'm missing /usr/bin/mysql |
| 01:23.50 | MrWGW- | note that an incompetent developer previously manually rm'd that file; I did an apt-get remove --purge mysql-client |
| 01:23.56 | MrWGW- | and an apt-get install mysql-client |
| 01:24.20 | MrWGW- | suggestions? |
| 01:24.26 | MrWGW- | is there a way I can totally force a reinstall of that package? |
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| 01:25.15 | twinkie_addict | maha got it there was a security repo in there allready i just need to edit for contrib and non-free |
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| 01:27.08 | japanshakeNbreak | how can i find which applications will allow me to mount FTP locally? usually they use FUSE |
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| 01:29.35 | Bushmills | japanshakeNbreak: apt-cache search fuse|grep -i ftp |
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| 01:29.49 | dualcore | is there a gui front-end for postfix that doesn't compromise security? |
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| 01:30.24 | Bushmills | front end to do what? |
| 01:30.32 | tux0 | japanshakeNbreak used `apt-cache search fuse | grep -i ftp' to locate curlftpfs |
| 01:30.40 | tux0 | Bushmills :) |
| 01:31.23 | twinkie_addict | got it figured out lol themill post from dmsg helped alot |
| 01:31.28 | Bushmills | tux0: well, yes, that was the idea |
| 01:31.48 | tux0 | Bushmills you were faster than me :) |
| 01:31.53 | tux0 | :'( |
| 01:32.36 | tux0 | MrWGW- apt-file search /usr/bin/mysql |
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| 01:32.59 | Bushmills | tux0: he didn't ask for a fuse ftp package, but for how he can find one |
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| 01:34.22 | LinuxGuy2009 | How do I report a problem with the packages.gz and packages files on the Update 6.0.1 DVD being all blank files? |
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| 01:35.26 | MrWGW- | apt-file: command not found tux0 |
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| 01:35.47 | MrWGW- | installing it... |
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| 01:42.37 | twinkie_addict | soury for all the questions about the sourses.list never edited itby hand before wasnt sure how to set it up thanks again for the help |
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| 01:48.08 | pigdude | hi, i have a package issue. 5.0.8. It says that my modphp module is brokemn |
| 01:48.42 | pigdude | this is what happens on dist-upgrade http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/357498/ |
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| 01:49.16 | pigdude | any ideas as to how i can resolve this? aptitude makes no suggestion |
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| 01:55.54 | MrWGW- | hey guys |
| 01:56.04 | MrWGW- | can I force apt to just restore that one file? |
| 01:56.15 | MrWGW- | apt-get install isn't giving me my /usr/bin/mysql back |
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| 01:57.07 | tux0 | MrWGW- mysql-client is a metapackage that installs the latest version |
| 01:57.24 | MrWGW- | tux0: indeed so but the problem is the actual file /usr/bin/mysql is missing |
| 01:57.33 | MrWGW- | all I need is that one file... |
| 01:57.37 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Can anyone tell me how to get the OpenSUSE style background bootsplash in Debian during verbose bootup? |
| 01:57.38 | MrWGW- | this other dev rm'd it |
| 01:57.43 | tux0 | MrWGW- this means mysql-client does not install any files |
| 01:57.54 | MrWGW- | should I manually install the specific verison? |
| 01:58.12 | tux0 | MrWGW- apt-cache show mysql-client |
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| 01:58.36 | MrWGW- | tux0: its already installed |
| 01:58.44 | tux0 | MrWGW- that will tell you what package that metapackage actually installes that includes /usr/bin/mysql |
| 01:59.07 | MrWGW- | indeed and I know which package that is tux0, its mysql-client-5.0 |
| 01:59.09 | tux0 | MrWGW- the metapackage being mysql-client |
| 01:59.15 | tux0 | ok |
| 01:59.20 | MrWGW- | and that package *is* installed |
| 01:59.27 | tux0 | MrWGW- reinstall it |
| 01:59.28 | MrWGW- | but /usr/bin/mysql is missing |
| 01:59.30 | MrWGW- | I did |
| 01:59.35 | MrWGW- | I remove --purge and installed it |
| 01:59.37 | tux0 | MrWGW- how? |
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| 01:59.58 | MrWGW- | ahhh |
| 02:00.01 | MrWGW- | I did it on the metapackage |
| 02:00.01 | MrWGW- | ok |
| 02:00.04 | MrWGW- | we're in business here |
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| 02:00.12 | tux0 | ok |
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| 02:06.42 | Connor1 | Anyone know where I could find mouse.sh? |
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| 02:07.04 | Connor1 | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnPowerPC#Onebuttonmouse |
| 02:07.05 | Connor1 | Trying to do this |
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| 02:08.21 | Bushmills | "On iBook G4, editing mouse.sh with ..." |
| 02:08.28 | Bushmills | you gotta create it yourself |
| 02:08.31 | Connor1 | I see |
| 02:08.35 | Connor1 | Bushmills do you know where it'd go? |
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| 02:09.06 | Bushmills | yes, right there on the web page |
| 02:09.30 | Connor1 | ? |
| 02:09.33 | eth1r | I think he means on the filesystem. |
| 02:09.39 | eth1r | Like what path. |
| 02:09.42 | Connor1 | Correct |
| 02:09.44 | xyan | where it'd go... with some modifications into /etc/init.d/ probably |
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| 02:09.48 | jhutchins_lt | A one button mouse is definitely 1980's. |
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| 02:10.10 | jhutchins_lt | Like a 4 axis joystick. |
| 02:10.10 | Connor1 | It was an iBook G4 donated because "it didn't work." Unplugging the DVD drive makes it work perfectly, so I have a new laptop now |
| 02:10.14 | Bushmills | it went where you wrote it to |
| 02:10.30 | Connor1 | Bushmills but would simply doing "vim ~/.mouse.sh" make it work? |
| 02:10.42 | Connor1 | I.e. just make the mouse behave as labeled on the webpage? |
| 02:10.44 | MrFrood | Connor1: #debianppc on oftc |
| 02:10.50 | Bushmills | not work, but you'd have the file there then |
| 02:11.07 | Bushmills | i suppose you need to execute that file to make it work |
| 02:11.18 | eth1r | Connor1: you'd want it somewhere where it would get executed every bootup. |
| 02:11.29 | Connor1 | eth1r like /etc/init.d/? |
| 02:11.33 | Bushmills | you'd also want to start it with a hashbang |
| 02:11.40 | eth1r | like xyan said, with some modification |
| 02:11.41 | Connor1 | What is a hashbang? |
| 02:11.44 | Connor1 | #!? |
| 02:11.47 | Connor1 | #! ? |
| 02:11.48 | pipeline | yes |
| 02:11.48 | Bushmills | yes |
| 02:11.59 | Connor1 | So, how would I go about getting that to work |
| 02:12.44 | Bushmills | run editor. type or paste in hashbang and commands. save file. set execute bit |
| 02:12.45 | xyan | !init.d |
| 02:12.45 | dpkg | /etc/init.d/ is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to /etc/init.d/myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript defaults". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <rc.local> <runlevel>. See also <missing lsb tags>. |
| 02:13.05 | Connor1 | Bushmills where would the hashbangs go? |
| 02:13.22 | Bushmills | test it. when satisfied, move it to /etc/init.d and symlink it from a run level directory |
| 02:13.30 | Connor1 | You're going over my head |
| 02:13.41 | Connor1 | I have knowledge of linux, but not to the level of which you're speaking to me |
| 02:13.45 | Bushmills | sorry, i'm not a tutorial |
| 02:14.04 | mosno | why is a qt application launching iceweasel when i have configured chromium as the default browser (through both the alternatives system and the gnome preferred applications dialog)? |
| 02:14.10 | xyan | Connor1: i heard reading is the key |
| 02:14.12 | mosno | i am running the app in gnome |
| 02:14.25 | eth1r | Connor1: just do what xyan asked dpkg |
| 02:14.39 | Bushmills | rather than letting me tell you everything in detail, ask what you don't understand |
| 02:14.45 | xyan | mosno: qt belongs to kde so check its settings theres some |
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| 02:14.58 | Connor1 | Bushmills I asked where to put the hashbangs. |
| 02:14.59 | mosno | xyan, do you know which app does that? |
| 02:15.08 | Bushmills | first line. look for script examples |
| 02:15.09 | xyan | mosno: sorry im not using it |
| 02:15.18 | xyan | mosno: try qtconfig maybe |
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| 02:15.26 | Connor1 | Is it like #! /bin/bash/perl in a perl script? |
| 02:15.49 | Bushmills | such as. that's for perl. you want a shell to execute that script. sh for example |
| 02:16.15 | Bushmills | strange place to have perl executable in, /bin/bash, btw |
| 02:17.02 | Bushmills | that'd conflict with installation of bash |
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| 02:17.47 | Bushmills | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashbang |
| 02:18.53 | eth1r | I'm trying to get it sorted out with Connor1 |
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| 02:30.22 | Bushmills | term left of >= doesn't evaluate to value greater or equal to term right of >= :D |
| 02:31.00 | variable | Bushmills: how could I cause that? |
| 02:31.08 | Bushmills | you tell me |
| 02:31.48 | variable | Bushmills: I called malloc with a value of 48 - but I'm not sure what caused that assertion |
| 02:32.52 | Bushmills | try to echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr and execute again |
| 02:33.13 | variable | Bushmills: I don't have root |
| 02:33.19 | hesco | my install thumb drive stopped working, so I'm trying to rebuild it. I used dd if=/path/to/installer.iso of=/dev/sdc but it refuses to boot. Any clues, please? |
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| 02:33.25 | Bushmills | hmpf |
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| 02:34.31 | variable | Bushmills: why would malloc with an argument of 48 cause that? |
| 02:34.50 | Bushmills | i don't know - completely lacking any context |
| 02:35.13 | Bushmills | maybe you're out of memory? |
| 02:35.40 | hesco | I tried grub-install hoping that might help, but got back: grub-probe: error: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdc. Check your device.map. |
| 02:35.42 | variable | Unlikely to be OOM. I could provide more context if you need |
| 02:35.52 | variable | what data do you need? the program I'm writing / |
| 02:35.53 | variable | ? |
| 02:36.43 | un214 | I hate /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr |
| 02:36.52 | un214 | and other false security mechanisms |
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| 02:37.17 | Bushmills | nope, i need none. maybe somebody else would like to debug the program - so providing more details may be beneficial anyway. |
| 02:38.02 | variable | Bushmills: I understand it is probably my fault - but I'm unsure what kind of things might cause that assertion - so I don't know what to look for |
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| 02:40.09 | Bushmills | well, general approach would be, isolate the error condition. |
| 02:40.23 | Bushmills | see whether you can duplicate it with the smallest amount of code |
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| 02:42.16 | Bushmills | wild guess: pointer corruption |
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| 02:45.10 | yardleydobon | I just updated testing and now it won't auto-mount my camera. How can I fix this? |
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| 02:46.18 | Bushmills | what is supposed to auto-mount your camera? |
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| 02:49.07 | yardleydobon | I forget which program handles it but previously everytime I plugged it in it would ask if I wanted to download the pictures. If I said no, I could click the camera's icon on the desktop to browse the pictures on it. |
| 02:49.36 | yardleydobon | Now nothing pops up when I plug it in. |
| 02:49.48 | yardleydobon | gphoto2 seems to work fine with it though |
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| 02:51.15 | Bushmills | thanks for the overwhelming amount of details |
| 02:51.33 | yardleydobon | Thanks for the incredibly stupid question. |
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| 02:52.03 | Bushmills | ah, you need a standard answer? one which is valid for any automounting package? |
| 02:52.46 | Bushmills | here it is: "How can I fix this?" ... a. determine the cause of the problem b. take steps towards making the cause disappear. |
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| 02:54.48 | yardleydobon | I very much doubt there are a multiplicity of ways that cameras are automounted. |
| 02:55.19 | yardleydobon | Something like check the logs for program xxx would be helpful instead of being an asshole. |
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| 02:57.12 | Bushmills | i'm not going to waste my time on insulting jerks like you. |
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| 03:00.34 | jrt4 | I installed xfce4 and xorg and it was running fine, but then when I installed mesa-utils and ran glxgears, I got "XIO: Fatal I/O Error 11: Resource not available", and then when I logged out of x and tried to do startx again it wouldn't work. |
| 03:01.37 | jrt4 | It's complaining about fbdev being missing, but I'm not sure if that was happening before. |
| 03:02.23 | MrFrood | jrt4: have you checked the log file? |
| 03:02.24 | jrt4 | Actually, I just installed xserver-xorg-video-fbdev, and it's still not working |
| 03:03.07 | jrt4 | MrFrood: Yes -- other than a warning about fonts missing, and synaptic (which were both there before), there is no WW/EE |
| 03:03.47 | jrt4 | wait -- not true. |
| 03:04.09 | MrFrood | /var/log/Xorg.0.log yes? |
| 03:04.16 | jrt4 | There is a warning (WW) that says "Falling back to old probe method for vesa" |
| 03:04.18 | jrt4 | MrFrood: yes |
| 03:04.32 | jrt4 | And then the next line says "Falling back to old probe method for fbdev" |
| 03:04.58 | MrFrood | try purging the packages you added |
| 03:05.09 | jrt4 | You mean mesa-utils? |
| 03:05.15 | MrFrood | yes |
| 03:05.18 | jrt4 | ok -- one sec |
| 03:05.58 | jrt4 | MrFrood: Nope -- didn't fix it. |
| 03:06.22 | MrFrood | how are you starting X ? |
| 03:06.25 | jrt4 | startx |
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| 03:07.01 | MrFrood | can you pastbin your xorg log? |
| 03:08.02 | jrt4 | Is there a CLI paste utility in the debian main repo? I used to use wgetpaste with Gentoo, but that's not in there. |
| 03:08.44 | MrFrood | yes but I can't remember what it is called |
| 03:08.49 | Bushmills | pastebinit |
| 03:08.51 | MrFrood | !pastebin |
| 03:08.51 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 03:09.36 | jrt4 | thanks |
| 03:10.19 | DammitJim | I'm trying to use wpa_cli, but I get this message when I run it: Could not connect to wpa_supplicant - re-trying |
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| 03:11.11 | jrt4 | MrFrood: http://pastebin.com/L51pM9JU |
| 03:12.24 | MrFrood | hopes somebody else is looking too because he has a feeling he is going to get out of his depth on this one... |
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| 03:12.41 | jrt4 | No worries -- appreciate the attempt anyway. |
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| 03:13.24 | jrt4 | I'm almost certain it has to do with whatever caused the XIO error with glxgears. I had literally done nothing else in that x session |
| 03:13.38 | jrt4 | (well, other than opening the xterm to run glxgears) |
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| 03:15.40 | jrt4 | MrFrood: I just did dpkg-reconfigure xorg and am going to try a reboot. brb |
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| 03:19.54 | jrt4 | MrFrood: Nope -- no luck. |
| 03:21.33 | jrt4 | hmmm ... looking in /var/log/messages, I'm getting a bunch of errors regarding "mtrr" and "RV630" |
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| 03:22.25 | jrt4 | and it's doing a kernel dump too ... I'm wondering if somehow mesa managed to make it try to use the wrong drivers |
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| 03:22.34 | sedulous | How can I activate an LVM PV that's located in a block device with an offset X? |
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| 03:23.42 | simonrvn | how about just vgchange -ay - no worky? |
| 03:23.46 | sedulous | â¦or more generally, how can I "split" a block device /dev/sdx with an offset? |
| 03:24.08 | wobblyonions | anyone here using rsyslog with mysql at all? |
| 03:24.09 | sedulous | simonrvn: how would vgchange find the PV? |
| 03:24.11 | paq7512 | why is their such old software packages in the repos? |
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| 03:26.26 | sedulous | paq7512: there's also new software in the repos |
| 03:26.42 | sedulous | I suppose device mapper should be somehow able to split a block device given an offset |
| 03:26.45 | simonrvn | sedulous: what are after exactly? |
| 03:26.56 | simonrvn | are you* |
| 03:27.32 | simonrvn | paq7512: you must be talking about some other distro. |
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| 03:28.03 | sedulous | simonrvn: i have a block device that contains several volumes. I know their offsets and want to access them, e.g. as LVM PVs. Nevermind though, I just found that dm-linear does the trick! :) |
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| 03:28.15 | simonrvn | :) |
| 03:28.20 | paq7512 | <simonrvn> I installed 6 not to long ago and it has Chromium v6 when 9 was out |
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| 03:29.27 | simonrvn | and that's a problem why? |
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| 03:30.23 | paq7512 | maybe it's not |
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| 03:31.04 | simonrvn | if you want a newer one, install a tarball. don't expect support for it here though ;) |
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| 03:31.17 | MrFrood | paq7512: we like things well tested in stable - that's why it is stable |
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| 03:33.34 | jrt4 | paq7512: You can also look into backports to get newer versions of software, but as they said, it's not as well supported. |
| 03:34.33 | crapeau | anybody use squeeze with an intel 845G video chipset |
| 03:35.13 | sedulous | paq7512: you can install selected packages from the testing and unstable repositories using "apt-pinning". there's no guarantee that this won't explode your computer and steal your kittens. (however i've been using testing/unstable on desktops for years without major problems) |
| 03:36.02 | paq7512 | nice to know |
| 03:37.11 | sedulous | i generally use testing on my desktops with few packages from unstable, sometimes |
| 03:37.22 | paq7512 | how many commands do I have to run to get 3d support for my nvidia 9x card installed? |
| 03:37.39 | simonrvn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 03:37.39 | dpkg | Install either <nouveau> (no 3D support) or the appropriate proprietary driver package for your card. For GeForce 6xxx through to some GeForce 400 series, ask me about <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>; for older series, ask about <nvidia dkms-173xx> <nvidia dkms-96xx>. For oldstable, see <nvidia lenny>. nvidia.com packages are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 03:37.53 | jrt4 | !ati one-liner |
| 03:37.53 | dpkg | fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>, <fglrx pre-built> or see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:38.09 | jrt4 | (that was for me ...) |
| 03:38.25 | sedulous | !nvidia dkms |
| 03:38.25 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>. |
| 03:38.28 | jrt4 | maybe the proprietary drivers will magically make it work ... |
| 03:38.55 | simonrvn | not usually |
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| 03:39.54 | PadawanLearner | ati... i bought one of those after that publicity stunt |
| 03:40.08 | PadawanLearner | promising open source support |
| 03:40.16 | PadawanLearner | crap |
| 03:40.34 | PadawanLearner | i would really be better of with an nvidia |
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| 03:41.22 | simonrvn | nvidia has problems of its own... i've run both. |
| 03:41.29 | b1lly | i'm trying to change a config file on apache2 that "lists my vhosts" so that i can change the default one, but i dont know what file it is? |
| 03:42.36 | simonrvn | that's determined by the global config, what the ServerName is (usually) |
| 03:43.50 | PadawanLearner | simonrvn: well... on my behalf i can state that not beying able to run tvtime with the correct driver is a real pain, but i take your word on it :) |
| 03:45.19 | simonrvn | doesn't watch much tv never mind having it on his computer |
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| 03:45.28 | PadawanLearner | hehehe |
| 03:45.53 | PadawanLearner | simonrvn: that machine i was going to move to my sitting room... |
| 03:45.58 | b1lly | simonrvn: you talking to me? |
| 03:46.07 | PadawanLearner | :) |
| 03:46.42 | jrt4 | I was running XFCE and everything was working fine. Then when I installed mesa-utils and ran glxgears, I got "XIO: Fatal IO Error 11 (resource not available)". I then logged out of the X session, and then when I tried to log back in, it no longer worked. |
| 03:46.59 | simonrvn | b1lly: no to the other person talking about default hosts :P |
| 03:47.06 | jrt4 | I'm now getting errors related to mtrr and RV630 in /var/log/messages, but nothing different from before it broke in my Xorg.logs. |
| 03:47.31 | b1lly | simonrvn: is that sarcasm lol |
| 03:47.35 | jrt4 | I've tried dpkg-reconfigure xorg, and rebooted, and that doesn't help either. |
| 03:47.47 | simonrvn | b1lly: no, more like facetiousness |
| 03:48.20 | simonrvn | jrt4: which mesa-utils version? |
| 03:48.58 | jrt4 | stable |
| 03:49.03 | b1lly | :P, and this file is located where? cuz I opend all the cfg files and i cant find anywhere it says ServerName * |
| 03:49.07 | b1lly | the global one at least |
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| 03:49.17 | jrt4 | simonrvn: i.e. the one that's in stable. |
| 03:49.20 | simonrvn | grep in /etc/apache2 |
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| 03:49.56 | simonrvn | hmm. weird. wheezy/sid's one is rather FUBAR. that one worked ok for me. check the bts. |
| 03:49.59 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 03:49.59 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 03:50.25 | b1lly | simonrvn: are you refering to me ? cuz i went thru all those config files and I dont see it anywhere |
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| 03:52.55 | simonrvn | b1lly: there's apache2ctl -S (IIRC) that you can run to see which vhost is the default |
| 03:53.07 | simonrvn | hasn't run apache in ages |
| 03:53.29 | b1lly | simonrvn: yeah, its jsut when i have multiple vhost and sites enabled |
| 03:53.35 | b1lly | i wanted to be able to set apache 2 know the default |
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| 03:53.41 | b1lly | which i could name |
| 03:53.49 | simonrvn | it'll say so |
| 03:54.33 | b1lly | yeah, it tells me what the current one is |
| 03:54.41 | b1lly | but it dont let me choose which one is the default |
| 03:55.05 | crapeau | ? |
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| 03:55.56 | simonrvn | you set it via servername |
| 03:56.03 | b1lly | in which file is what im asking |
| 03:56.04 | f00li5h | b1lly: wait, are you still having trouble with things? |
| 03:56.12 | f00li5h | b1lly: the filename is not important |
| 03:56.23 | f00li5h | as in, at all. |
| 03:56.34 | b1lly | well for example |
| 03:56.38 | b1lly | right now i have 2 sites enabled |
| 03:56.46 | b1lly | homeskoold and jimbo |
| 03:56.51 | f00li5h | fine. |
| 03:57.01 | b1lly | and i wanted to have jimbo as default |
| 03:57.10 | f00li5h | b1lly: so you have to load it first. |
| 03:57.41 | b1lly | yeah exactly |
| 03:57.44 | f00li5h | b1lly: cd sites-available; ln -s jimbo 0000-totally-first-jimbo |
| 03:57.52 | f00li5h | a2ensite 0000-totally-first-jimbo |
| 03:58.00 | f00li5h | a2dissite jimbo |
| 03:58.08 | b1lly | so you just rename it 000 |
| 03:58.12 | b1lly | to make it come alphabetically first |
| 03:58.16 | f00li5h | yes. |
| 03:58.23 | f00li5h | Include does them ascibetically |
| 03:58.35 | b1lly | yeah i just thought there would be a config file to edit to put them in an ordered list or something |
| 03:58.42 | b1lly | but thats cool |
| 03:59.06 | simonrvn | (used to be you had to do it the way i said...) |
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| 04:07.57 | gigglefight | rm -rf/ ... will it remove rootkits? |
| 04:08.39 | gigglefight | I've tried googling. what exactly can I do to reformat the hard drive to remove rootkit. thanks. |
| 04:08.40 | Zao | It won't do much at all, considering that -/ is not a flag. |
| 04:09.15 | Miesco | How do I find how many mAh's my battery is using? |
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| 04:09.42 | gigglefight | So far I've removed particians and installed debian |
| 04:09.44 | jrt4 | eth1r: I can actually start X as root, but not as a normal user. |
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| 04:10.24 | jrt4 | Come to think of it, I might have run glxgears as root ... so maybe it changed the permissions of something when I did |
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| 04:11.16 | gigglefight | need command to reformat hard drive. thanks. |
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| 04:11.46 | jrt4 | gigglefight: fdisk to partition, mke2fs to format (assuming you want ext partitions) |
| 04:11.48 | Zao | jrt4: find ${HOME} -not -user you maybe? |
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| 04:12.10 | Zao | Lots of other fun predicates to find(1) too. |
| 04:12.21 | jrt4 | Zao: nothing |
| 04:12.36 | jrt4 | (thanks, though) |
| 04:12.37 | Zao | Are you in sufficiently awesome groups? |
| 04:12.58 | jrt4 | Zao -- I was when it was working before I ran glxgears |
| 04:13.33 | Zao | (I read up now...) |
| 04:13.49 | Zao | Try reinstalling your video drivers, particularly the GLX bit. |
| 04:13.50 | gigglefight | I want to reformat the entire hard disk from scratch. so that the rootkits are destroyed. do i have to be sudo? |
| 04:13.54 | jrt4 | Zao: basically, I ran glxgears, got XIO: Fatal IO Error 11, and then after I exited X, I couldn't startx anymore with my normal user |
| 04:14.05 | paijo_ | i have problem with samba4 on debian... |
| 04:14.05 | Zao | mesa-* might have clobbered GLX with their own perverted one. |
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| 04:14.10 | paijo_ | can someone help me ?? |
| 04:14.12 | jrt4 | Zao: Already tried reinstalling all of the drivers. I also purged and reinstalled xorg |
| 04:14.16 | eth1r | Maybe it created a file as root that you can't delete? |
| 04:14.25 | jrt4 | Zao: I also tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 04:14.27 | eth1r | Did you try exiting X as root and trying again? |
| 04:14.34 | Zao | jrt4: Nothing fun in /var/log/X*.log either? |
| 04:14.46 | jrt4 | eth1r: Yes. It didn't work, even after I logged out as root |
| 04:14.55 | jrt4 | Zao: Nothing that wasn't already there before it broke |
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| 04:15.27 | jrt4 | I got an error in /var/log/messages though about RV630 and mtrr that I'm not sure whether was there or not though |
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| 04:16.06 | sdnalanis | hi all |
| 04:16.08 | jrt4 | mtrr: type mismatch for d0000000,10000000 old: write-back new: write-combining |
| 04:16.49 | jrt4 | r600_cp: Failed to load firmware "radeon/RV630_pfp.bin" |
| 04:17.23 | sdnalanis | i have question: how to make kde applications menue look like that of previous versions (ie kde3.5.x) |
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| 04:18.02 | jrt4 | [drm:r600_startup] *ERROR* Failed to load firmware! |
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| 04:18.11 | jrt4 | Basically, that's all I'm getting. |
| 04:18.21 | jrt4 | But I'm not sure if that was a problem before. |
| 04:18.54 | jrt4 | (the last 2 were from dmesg - the one about mtrr is from /var/log/messages) |
| 04:19.11 | sdnalanis | i have question: how to make kde applications menue look like that of previous versions (ie kde3.5.x) |
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| 04:21.48 | sdnalanis | how to make kde applications menue look like that of previous versions (ie kde3.5.x) |
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| 04:22.38 | pigdude | nobody helped me :( |
| 04:22.42 | Miesco | Okay i'm ready to go unstable |
| 04:22.46 | Miesco | !unstable |
| 04:22.46 | dpkg | [unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 04:23.03 | pigdude | http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/357498/ |
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| 04:23.07 | pigdude | what do i do about this? |
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| 04:23.29 | pigdude | all i do is upgrade, nothing fancy |
| 04:23.33 | pigdude | how do my packages break?! |
| 04:23.34 | Miesco | !testing > miesco |
| 04:23.39 | Miesco | !testing |
| 04:23.40 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 04:23.51 | pigdude | !woody |
| 04:23.51 | dpkg | Woody is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10, ISOs are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/ . See also <woody sources.list> and <woody->sarge>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWoody |
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| 04:24.40 | Miesco | should I go to testing or to unstable? |
| 04:24.42 | pigdude | aptitude doesn't recommend anything |
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| 04:24.50 | pigdude | Miesco: depends on application |
| 04:24.55 | pigdude | Miesco: what is this for |
| 04:25.15 | Miesco | I want cutting edge breaking my whole system software |
| 04:25.29 | pigdude | Miesco: check out sidux |
| 04:25.40 | Miesco | !sidux |
| 04:25.40 | dpkg | aptosid (formerly sidux) is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid. It is not supported in #debian. http://aptosid.com/ #aptosid on irc.oftc.net. |
| 04:25.57 | Miesco | Whats this? |
| 04:26.05 | Miesco | !sid |
| 04:26.05 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 04:26.18 | gigglefight | is deleting particians the same as reformating? |
| 04:26.31 | pigdude | Miesco: it is debian unstable with some sort of additional maintenance, so they fix critical bugs i guess. check #aptosid i guess |
| 04:26.52 | pigdude | nobody there really |
| 04:27.38 | Miesco | I'll try testing first |
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| 04:27.50 | Miesco | !squeeze->wheezy |
| 04:27.59 | Bushmills | gigglefight: depends on what you call "formatting" |
| 04:28.15 | gigglefight | to remove rootkit and all the files |
| 04:28.18 | pigdude | Miesco: testing is a solid system, |
| 04:28.22 | pigdude | Miesco: just maybe not for servers |
| 04:28.33 | Bushmills | terms you often encounter are: paritioning, and creating file systems |
| 04:28.33 | gigglefight | format enough to remove rootkit. |
| 04:28.37 | Miesco | is testing as stable as ubuntu? |
| 04:28.48 | Bushmills | re-creating file systems will be enough |
| 04:28.58 | pigdude | Bushmills: didn't you create the forth interpreter in JS? |
| 04:29.08 | Bushmills | pigdude: yes, i did |
| 04:29.13 | pigdude | hehe i dont forget lol |
| 04:29.19 | pigdude | ##javascript |
| 04:29.26 | Miesco | Bushmills: What version of debian are you running? |
| 04:29.39 | crapeau | Miesco: is Ubuntu stable? lol... |
| 04:29.40 | Bushmills | stable, testing and unstable :) |
| 04:30.02 | pigdude | crapeau: not at all |
| 04:30.15 | pigdude | crapeau: deb testing is more stable |
| 04:30.29 | gigglefight | nice. thanks. so far, i've deleted particians via gparted, and installed debian. would that be enough to remove rootkit? |
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| 04:30.44 | Miesco | Bushmills: There is no support for squeeze->sid? |
| 04:30.51 | Miesco | !squeeze->weezy |
| 04:30.59 | Miesco | !stable->testing |
| 04:31.03 | Miesco | !testing |
| 04:31.03 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 04:31.06 | Bushmills | !sid |
| 04:31.06 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
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| 04:31.57 | Miesco | So sid doesn't turn into stable like testing does? |
| 04:32.11 | crapeau | pigdude: how come is it sooo popular? |
| 04:32.24 | pigdude | crapeau: marketing |
| 04:32.35 | pigdude | crapeau: and ubuntuforums |
| 04:32.47 | pigdude | crapeau: and aggressive w/ manufacturers |
| 04:33.05 | crapeau | pigdude: like m$ winblows....!!!! |
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| 04:33.11 | pigdude | crapeau: yessir |
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| 04:33.32 | Miesco | !squeeze->wheezy |
| 04:33.37 | Miesco | not working |
| 04:33.42 | Miesco | squeeze->wheezy |
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| 04:34.15 | crapeau | pigdude: not really good for linux, isn't it |
| 04:35.17 | Miesco | Whats more stable unstable or ubuntu? |
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| 04:35.50 | Bushmills | what do you call "stable"? |
| 04:35.54 | Canar | i'm running wheezy on my netbook |
| 04:36.00 | Canar | i haven't encountered a crash yet |
| 04:36.03 | Bushmills | i mean, what does the term "stable" mean to you? |
| 04:37.05 | Bushmills | "stable" as the opposite of "fluctuating"? |
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| 04:39.08 | crapeau | So since the beginning winblows is stable ;-)) lol... |
| 04:39.43 | xemacs4321 | NOT IN MY BOOK |
| 04:40.06 | crapeau | read always fluctuating... |
| 04:40.37 | prince_jammys | to me, it's a place for horses |
| 04:40.40 | r\wWorld | it might not always be stable, but it is more functioning and has better performance |
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| 04:41.30 | prince_jammys | given that meaning, i find debian to be more stable |
| 04:41.52 | Bushmills | debian more a place for horses? |
| 04:41.57 | prince_jammys | absolutely |
| 04:42.05 | prince_jammys | well, more than ubuntu |
| 04:42.14 | Bushmills | headscratches |
| 04:42.40 | r\wWorld | sorry but when flash is absolute poo on linux, and nothing also can work exactly OTB it's a headache |
| 04:42.43 | prince_jammys | ain't many horses in africa, for one |
| 04:42.57 | prince_jammys | strolls away |
| 04:43.13 | crapeau | could do with zebra.... |
| 04:43.41 | Miesco | I can find how to upgrade to experimental but not wheezy :/ |
| 04:43.44 | Miesco | !experimental |
| 04:43.44 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 04:44.31 | r\wWorld | !porn |
| 04:44.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, porn is ...well.... ask me about <pr0n> or `apt-get install pornview` to find it on your hdd |
| 04:44.42 | crapeau | Miesco: why are you racing forward? |
| 04:45.40 | Canar | !wheezy |
| 04:45.41 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>. |
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| 04:46.54 | Miesco | !wheezyfromsqueeze |
| 04:47.03 | Miesco | !pr0n |
| 04:47.03 | dpkg | i guess pr0n is at http://www.lesbian.mine.nu, or http://www.pornolize.com/pornolize4?lang=en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.debian.org&submit=Translate, or see pr0n.sf.net/, or ask me about <qotd41> |
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| 04:49.04 | crapeau | r\wWorld: flash is worst than poo, it is a big prorietary security flaw. |
| 04:49.08 | Miesco | How silly |
| 04:49.26 | Pimpy-da-Possum | Has anyone here tried self harm or attempted suicide? |
| 04:49.28 | Miesco | crapeau: I heard that flash 10 is crashtastic! |
| 04:49.42 | r\wWorld | crapea, and yet to use any website you need it, sadly |
| 04:50.01 | r\wWorld | goes to show people will eat shit, no question asked ! |
| 04:50.17 | crapeau | Surviving wo it since debian 3.0 ...;-) |
| 04:50.27 | zcat[1] | but I need flash to get my weebl and bob fix! |
| 04:50.45 | Miesco | I just need flash for pr0n |
| 04:50.52 | zcat[1] | yeah, that too! |
| 04:51.18 | crapeau | i love "flashing" babes too... |
| 04:51.19 | Miesco | html5 offers an alternative |
| 04:51.33 | prince_jammys | porn should just have its own optimized protocol |
| 04:51.39 | zcat[1] | but only for sites that do html5 :( |
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| 04:52.06 | zcat[1] | there's not enough pr0n on youtube! |
| 04:52.19 | Miesco | I am just going to take a guess on how to upgrade to wheezy |
| 04:53.02 | zcat[1] | !wheezy |
| 04:53.02 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>. |
| 04:53.09 | zcat[1] | !upgrade |
| 04:53.09 | dpkg | upgrade is, like, what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with aptitude. Do an aptitude update first, and then an aptitude upgrade. Ask me about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version of Debian, read its release notes first. Ask me about <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze>. |
| 04:53.10 | r\wWorld | i don't think the state of affairs with is ever gonna go away. almost every website has been designed to incorporate and use flash, i doubt anyone will want to waste more time and money to NOT use flash. |
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| 04:53.46 | zcat[1] | one day we'll all be doing html5 over ipv6 .... I'll probably be dead by then |
| 04:54.07 | zcat[1] | hell people are still using windows98 too.. |
| 04:54.34 | crapeau | google seems to make most of its money with flash.... |
| 04:54.52 | Miesco | So you guys don't use apt-get anymore? |
| 04:55.03 | Miesco | I remember with sarge thats all you used |
| 04:55.12 | jmarsden | !why aptitude | Miesco |
| 04:55.19 | Miesco | thanks |
| 04:55.29 | Miesco | !why aptitude > Miesco |
| 04:55.34 | Miesco | Not working though |
| 04:55.43 | Miesco | !why aptitude |
| 04:55.43 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Be careful. |
| 04:56.06 | Miesco | well i'll be |
| 04:56.19 | Miesco | so just aptitude upgrade eh |
| 04:56.28 | Miesco | Nice |
| 04:57.02 | Miesco | COming from gentoo, things install a bit faster :) |
| 04:57.16 | zcat[1] | Bah, I learned the hard way upgrading to squeeze .. shit breaks. Don't think I'll do that again. One day I might just do a fresh install again. |
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| 04:58.00 | crapeau | zcat: what did break??? |
| 04:58.28 | Miesco | 2.6.32 for testing?! |
| 04:58.46 | zcat[1] | just about everything.. mostly nvidia drivers. All fixed now but didn't get much help from here :( |
| 04:58.51 | Miesco | I thought it would be 2.6.35 at least |
| 04:59.08 | r\wWorld | is there a way to jail a portable app into it's own directory and prevent it from calling any other executables outside the directory and preventing all writes and access as well ? |
| 04:59.24 | r\wWorld | i meant read* |
| 04:59.24 | crapeau | zcat : only nv or anything else |
| 04:59.58 | zcat[1] | can't recall, felt like everything at the time. was ages ago. |
| 05:00.00 | Miesco | r\wWorld: I think it has as much privalege as the user |
| 05:00.26 | r\wWorld | any way to limit it further ? |
| 05:00.32 | crapeau | ages ??? you mean days??? |
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| 05:00.58 | zcat[1] | six months or so.. before it was released |
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| 05:02.28 | zcat[1] | Got it all running nicely now, so I don't think I want to upgrade to anything else for a while anyhow |
| 05:02.57 | Alch | Does anyone know if its possible to buy the Debian Installation Guide in print? |
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| 05:04.17 | crapeau | zcat : i'm planning to upgrade to squeeze |
| 05:04.52 | zcat[1] | hmm, why did I end up on #ubuntu-ops?! |
| 05:08.33 | Connor1 | Alright, I am trying to get sticker residue off of an iBook G4, what liquid should I use that won't eat away at the plastic, nail polish remover or alcohol? |
| 05:09.16 | Alch | I think alcohol would be a safe choice |
| 05:09.19 | prince_jammys | i thought coke was good for that |
| 05:09.33 | Bushmills | nail polish remover is usually aceton which is quite aggresive to plastics |
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| 05:10.48 | crapeau | i used lighter fuel, last time on mine |
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| 05:11.14 | Alch | I use GooGone for that works great and has not destroyed any of my equipment yet... |
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| 05:13.11 | Bushmills | i'd maybe try freezing spray, and see whether the residue just crumbles off |
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| 05:13.35 | simonrvn | zcat[1]: ask them |
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| 05:14.20 | zcat[1] | Yeah, I remember now... I kinda got abusive last time I was in there. |
| 05:15.14 | zcat[1] | so I kinda got banned. All sorted now. |
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| 05:17.17 | zcat[1] | NEVER use nail polish remover on plastic .. it totally and permanently ruins the surface |
| 05:17.47 | crapeau | as nail do..... |
| 05:20.02 | zcat[1] | There's a lemon cleaner that does a really good job. Can't recall the name. |
| 05:21.13 | zcat[1] | lighter flue would probably be good too |
| 05:21.17 | zcat[1] | *fuel |
| 05:22.41 | crapeau | scrubing with a 3m pad and fuel, did it for me |
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| 05:27.33 | Connor1 | I'm getting the glue off with a dish rag and nail polish remover, but the rag is leaving threads and shit and it looks terrible, how do I remove these? |
| 05:27.45 | Arch_ | What would cause my drives to show up twice in the Places menu? Only one menu item for each drive works. The other ones say Unable to mount. Here's what it looks like: http://oi55.tinypic.com/vo7qlz.jpg |
| 05:28.28 | christopher | goo gone? |
| 05:28.29 | elky | Connor1, is it possible to buy eucalypt oil where you are? |
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| 05:28.52 | elky | Bestest glue remover ever. |
| 05:29.25 | Connor1 | Idk |
| 05:29.31 | Connor1 | It's 12:29 am in Arkansas |
| 05:29.32 | Connor1 | I doubt it |
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| 05:34.20 | Connor1 | The laptop is clean now, it's all good |
| 05:36.35 | Connor1 | Question, my laptop(iBook G4) is hanging on the grey screen quite often when I turn it on. I'm running Debian Squeeze, any ideas on how to fix this? |
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| 05:40.41 | Connor1 | And it gets past the grey screen and boots just fine... |
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| 05:41.05 | Connor1 | This thing is going to give me hell at school. Also sometimes it hangs at the "Loading kernel" text |
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| 05:46.39 | sdnalanis | how to enable a list of wireless networks? |
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| 05:48.43 | sdnalanis | how to enable a list of wireless networks in kde4 so when i am near a hotspot i get notified and can connect? |
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| 05:50.00 | prince_jammys | sdnalanis: probably by installing network-manager-kde |
| 05:50.12 | sdnalanis | ok thanks |
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| 05:50.29 | prince_jammys | ''System tray applet for controlling network connections managed by NetworkManager |
| 05:50.33 | prince_jammys | ' |
| 05:53.26 | earthnative | ok, so the debian logo (swirl without the name) is released under the 'Software in the Public Interest' license. How does one then include the relevant copyright notice on a logo? especially if you find an unrelated business using a derivative of it? |
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| 05:55.58 | earthnative | http://www.absoluteintegration.com.au/ <-- specifically, a clear ripoff of the debian logo... |
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| 05:59.47 | earthnative | ...channel is surprisingly quiet. been a while since I've lurked here, clearly :/ |
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| 06:00.06 | unkmar | I'm attempting to make use of empty-expect. |
| 06:00.56 | unkmar | empty -w -i in -o out "* OK" "Good" |
| 06:01.26 | unkmar | That gives me an error of: Regex compilation failed: Success |
| 06:01.52 | unkmar | Any ideas how I can pass the '*' ? |
| 06:02.34 | Connor1 | To gnome or not to gnome... |
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| 06:04.42 | earthnative | Connor1: gnome: things work. mostly. KDE: sparkle vomit. |
| 06:05.04 | Connor1 | KDE sucks |
| 06:05.17 | earthnative | they all suck, it's just which one you think sucks least |
| 06:05.21 | Connor1 | I like awesome |
| 06:05.27 | Connor1 | This is going to be for a laptop by the eway |
| 06:05.28 | Connor1 | Way* |
| 06:05.49 | earthnative | loathes "tiling" window managers. (whichi from memory is what Awesome is?) |
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| 06:06.47 | Connor1 | earthnative why? |
| 06:06.53 | Connor1 | I like openbox though it's fun |
| 06:07.09 | earthnative | I'm way too anal about setting my terminals to exact ROWS/COLUMNS |
| 06:07.29 | earthnative | which is especially relevant when I very regularly have them connected to screen/tmux which has multiple views |
| 06:07.38 | Connor1 | That's why you have windows j/l |
| 06:07.43 | Connor1 | To adjust the size |
| 06:08.05 | earthnative | mainly though, I just find floating windows to be 'the right way' for my usage |
| 06:08.26 | earthnative | tabbing at the wm level, otoh, is fantastic, and I miss it greatly |
| 06:10.05 | earthnative | I'd like a windowmanager which did what I call "proper tiling", but I think it wont exist unless I learn to code and write one... |
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| 06:10.58 | crapeau | what do you mean by proper tiling? |
| 06:11.26 | earthnative | with anything physical, "tiling" means you take two things, and connect them side by side. ...I want to do that with floating windows |
| 06:11.51 | earthnative | e16 (I think it is) has windows groups, which seems to do it... though a bit clunky |
| 06:12.20 | earthnative | best example really is classic windows winamp - how the playlist and EQ would dock to the main window, and move with... |
| 06:12.50 | crapeau | earthnative: have you tried dwm??? |
| 06:12.52 | earthnative | I want that sort of thing, with arbitrary windows. move together, minimise together, raise/lower together... |
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| 06:13.14 | earthnative | not heard of it before. looking it up now |
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| 06:15.43 | earthnative | the tagging of windows sounds like it could be nice |
| 06:17.01 | crapeau | the source code is quite "simple", so you can try to modify it |
| 06:17.13 | earthnative | yeah, I had thought that too |
| 06:17.32 | earthnative | (of course, I've also thought that of aewm and other minimalist wm that seem to be the source of many windowmanagers since... |
| 06:18.14 | simonrvn | earthnative: xmms2 |
| 06:18.26 | simonrvn | or qmmp or ... |
| 06:18.44 | earthnative | simonrvn: those are media players. so? |
| 06:18.55 | crapeau | why not? nescessity is the mother of open source, emmm, i mean invention |
| 06:19.50 | simonrvn | earthnative: you were talking about winamp... |
| 06:19.51 | earthnative | yeah, I just have a million little projects, and while learning to code better is one of them (I'll be learning perl through work this year), time is the enemy of invention |
| 06:20.06 | earthnative | simonrvn: please read the context of WHY I referred to it. |
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| 06:20.36 | simonrvn | earthnative: oh, heh. my bad =) |
| 06:20.59 | earthnative | :) |
| 06:21.00 | crapeau | earthnative: what is funny is that invention tend to save time |
| 06:21.09 | simonrvn | earthnative: don't some of those ion3 type wms do that, or *sort of* |
| 06:21.11 | earthnative | yes, also true... |
| 06:21.27 | earthnative | I've never tried ion... it's tiling always put me off |
| 06:21.33 | simonrvn | tiling, they call them |
| 06:21.35 | boodie | Hi ; I am tryin to make 'grip' work ... it doesn't recognize my cd/dvd ... any suggestion (squeeze). Thanx |
| 06:21.50 | earthnative | otoh, I was an extremely early adopter and late leaver of pwm, the predecessor to ion |
| 06:22.09 | simonrvn | i also have a hard time. gave it a shot, try to get used to it, but no matter what it somehow got on my nerves. |
| 06:22.50 | simonrvn | no stranger to writing configs or "using hotkeys" |
| 06:22.54 | earthnative | simonrvn: yeah, I want tiling that is based on 'addition of windows', not in 'division of screen' |
| 06:23.12 | simonrvn | that would be potentially interesting |
| 06:23.38 | earthnative | boodie: I'd say try 'cdparanoia' from the commandline. I think -Q is the option to query the drive and report what it sees |
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| 06:25.07 | earthnative | simonrvn: yeah, I think so too. if I ever do learn C, this will likely be one of my first things to write |
| 06:26.05 | simonrvn | my usual window arrangement is one on top of the other, not next to each other, and (sh-)alt-tab |
| 06:26.21 | boodie | earthnative: http://paste.debian.net/111568/ |
| 06:26.23 | simonrvn | so tiling is not my usual flow |
| 06:26.42 | crapeau | earthnative: what do you exactly mean by "addition of windows" ? |
| 06:27.08 | ZykoticK9 | boodie, just an FYI, but i believe grip is no longer maintained (it was my favourite). I've personally switched to the cli app abcde (very powerful). |
| 06:27.23 | earthnative | crapeau: this is why I cited winamp before. the way it would dock it's windows to each other. I want that with arbitrary windows |
| 06:28.00 | earthnative | ZykoticK9: oddly, I just switched from abcde to jack (much nicer UI than abcde, but more annoying to setup, and appears to be unmaintained too. |
| 06:28.12 | earthnative | however, abcde, jack and grip are all, I believe, front ends to cdparanoia |
| 06:28.20 | earthnative | (well, I know jack and abcde are) |
| 06:28.58 | crapeau | earthnative but why do you want them to dock together??? |
| 06:29.02 | earthnative | boodie: I'd be checking what the /dev/cdrom symlink points to, and if what it points to makes sense... |
| 06:29.03 | simonrvn | grip does a bunch of things. rip, encode, etc |
| 06:29.08 | boodie | I want to save traces from a CD to a mp3 player, in mp3/ogg format ... grip seems perfect for the job, but, as ever, as soon as there is a problem, it's the usual maze ... |
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| 06:29.39 | earthnative | crapeau: I often have multiple terminal windows to different servers for a single task... havign them docked keeps the task together. |
| 06:29.54 | boodie | earthnative: I made myself a symlink pointing at /dev/hdc, but no success |
| 06:29.58 | earthnative | another example: keeping notes about a task in tomboy, and docking it to another application |
| 06:30.04 | simonrvn | earthnative: that's why i use a multi-tab term |
| 06:30.13 | earthnative | boodie: are you sure hdc is your drive? what are it's permissions? |
| 06:30.21 | crapeau | ok, now it is crystal clear |
| 06:30.27 | earthnative | simonrvn: I have those too, but you can't see everything simultaneously that way |
| 06:30.53 | earthnative | simonrvn: and doesn't let you dock arbitrary applications together |
| 06:31.11 | simonrvn | no, but i don't have to usually. true. |
| 06:31.30 | earthnative | another example, at home I'd like to dock my skype buddy list, pidgin buddy list, and piudgin chat windows together... if I used xchat, I'd dock that with them too... |
| 06:31.55 | boodie | earthnative: from /etc/fstab: "/dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0" |
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| 06:32.23 | earthnative | simonrvn: the server farms at work are often multiple machines in a cluster... so it's pretty common to be running the same sorts of jobs on multiple machines |
| 06:32.38 | simonrvn | yes.. heh |
| 06:33.01 | earthnative | boodie: what does `ls -l /dev/cdrom` say? |
| 06:33.15 | earthnative | the cdparanoia output hints to me that it's a broken symlink |
| 06:33.15 | crapeau | earthnative: You seem to have nice toys...!!! |
| 06:33.39 | earthnative | crapeau: dunno about that. well, not at work. it's just a bunch of mail stuff. (but a LOT of mail) |
| 06:34.10 | boodie | earthnative: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 22 mar 07.13 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/hdc |
| 06:34.33 | simonrvn | is it really there? is it the right device? |
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| 06:35.31 | earthnative | ownership and permissions of hdc then? (my cdrom device here is /dev/sr0, and is root:cdrom |
| 06:36.12 | simonrvn | if it's really hdc, that's a rather old kernel... |
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| 06:36.39 | boodie | earthnative: ls: impossibile accedere a /dev/hdc: No such file or directory |
| 06:36.59 | simonrvn | fstab is wrong then |
| 06:37.07 | earthnative | ZykoticK9: just to back up a moment, one of the reasons I love jack is that it will rip a .bin image from it's associated .cue file :) |
| 06:37.35 | boodie | It's Italian, but it says that /dev/hdc is not accessible |
| 06:38.06 | earthnative | boodie: bingo. broken symlink. I'd run a `ls -l /dev/hd?` and see if any appear to be your CDrom (likely will have the group owned as cdrom, but that's not a guarantee! |
| 06:38.12 | boodie | earthnative: does it mean that the device is only accessible to root? |
| 06:38.25 | earthnative | no, means it doesn't exist as hdc |
| 06:38.36 | earthnative | so either it's hd<somethingelse> |
| 06:38.40 | earthnative | or it's <something else> |
| 06:39.03 | earthnative | perhaps /dev/sd? or /dev/sr? |
| 06:39.22 | earthnative | (the '?' there is a wildcard there, not a question) |
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| 06:39.38 | boodie | but I took this from /etc/fstab: "/dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0" |
| 06:39.46 | crapeau | boody: have you tried dmesg | grep cdrom |
| 06:39.49 | earthnative | boodie: ignore fstab. it's wrong |
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| 06:40.33 | earthnative | crapeau: http://wiki.thorx.net/wiki/Fleet_WindowManager <-- that's my semi-permenant notes on my window management idea :) |
| 06:40.46 | boodie | dmesg | grep cdrom reports nothing ! |
| 06:40.53 | prince_jammys | grep CD |
| 06:41.47 | boodie | http://paste.debian.net/111569/ |
| 06:42.16 | prince_jammys | /dev/sr0 |
| 06:42.29 | crapeau | earthnative: pretty interesting. |
| 06:42.32 | boodie | Ahaaa ! |
| 06:43.19 | crapeau | boodie: are you using scsi emulation? |
| 06:43.22 | earthnative | change your symlink (and fstab) to point to /dev/sr0 then :) |
| 06:43.26 | prince_jammys | update fstab with that |
| 06:43.43 | boodie | But grip doesn't accept /dev/sr0 either |
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| 06:44.11 | earthnative | `ls -l /dev/sr0` ? |
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| 06:44.47 | prince_jammys | leave grip out of it for the moment, whoever that is |
| 06:44.49 | boodie | brw-rw----+ 1 root cdrom 11, 0 22 mar 07.08 /dev/sr0 |
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| 06:45.22 | prince_jammys | update your fstab and try to mount /media/cdrom0 |
| 06:45.36 | earthnative | prince_jammys: it's an audio cd. grip is a ripper |
| 06:45.42 | prince_jammys | ah |
| 06:45.55 | boodie | Is there a fstab updating utility, or do I simply edit it with vi? |
| 06:46.01 | prince_jammys | the latter |
| 06:46.16 | prince_jammys | vi is an fstab updating utility, with extra features |
| 06:46.24 | earthnative | boodie: check if you can read the disk with: `cdparanoia -Q /dev/sr0` |
| 06:46.34 | earthnative | prince_jammys: lol. :) |
| 06:47.34 | boodie | http://paste.debian.net/111570/ |
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| 06:48.11 | earthnative | ahh, cdparanoia -Q must ignore the given device |
| 06:48.17 | earthnative | update the /dev/cdrom symlink and try again :) |
| 06:49.38 | boodie | ehm ... there is a /dev/cdrom symlink already |
| 06:49.46 | earthnative | yes, pointing to the wrong thing |
| 06:49.54 | earthnative | rm it, and recreate it. (you'll have to be root) |
| 06:50.04 | ElDiabolo_ | boodie, Question is why udev didn't create the /dev/cdrom symlink. |
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| 06:50.16 | boodie | rm /dev/cdrom? (as root)? |
| 06:50.23 | ElDiabolo_ | boodie, Then why did it go wrong. |
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| 06:51.19 | boodie | I switched to squeeze last week ... I'd say 95% ok, but some stuff obviously tripped over |
| 06:51.35 | earthnative | when was your last clean install? |
| 06:53.17 | boodie | Yessss! it worx! thaqnk you soooo much! |
| 06:53.43 | earthnative | collaborative effort :) |
| 06:53.45 | prince_jammys | cool |
| 06:54.06 | ElDiabolo_ | boodie, Good, but udev seems not to work ... |
| 06:54.17 | earthnative | (my guess is that udev was introduced in this upgrade... I had many similar problems on my first udev updates and installs |
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| 06:54.33 | ElDiabolo_ | earthnative, Aaaah. |
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| 06:54.44 | earthnative | for a few years I just told udev to get the hell out of the way and I managed my fstab and cdrom link manually |
| 06:55.02 | earthnative | (cos: not like it ever had to change much... only half an hour of frustration every time I changed my drives... ;) |
| 06:55.25 | ElDiabolo_ | boodie, There is an entity named udev that manages your /dev. It should have created the correct symlink. |
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| 06:56.47 | boodie | I have to go (to earn the bacon) now, but thanx 4 now! bye. Well, I must say that the transition to squeeze was a bit more painful that the previous one to lenny, probably some more tweaking is needed |
| 06:57.09 | earthnative | tends to happen. enjoy! |
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| 06:57.51 | earthnative | crapeau: thank you. intersting doesn't build software though (not yet, anyway). but, I figure better to have the idea out there than stuck in my head :) |
| 07:00.17 | earthnative | and to think, I wandered back in here to shout a heads up about adebian logo abuse |
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| 07:03.46 | crapeau | earthnative: sometimes playing "lego" with sources, can help. |
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| 07:05.14 | earthnative | yeah :) |
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| 07:05.45 | dbbolton | my laptop does not wake up from pm-suspend. i tried all keys, mouse, power button, and fn keys |
| 07:05.53 | simonrvn | earthnative: i think you can file a bug for that (dunno what 'package' though) |
| 07:05.59 | Frenk | Hey, I have a LAN connection and a free WiFi card. I want to use it as an access point for other devices. |
| 07:06.13 | Frenk | But I do not get how =/ |
| 07:07.18 | Connor1 | Is an 8% drop in 14 minutes an indicator of terrible battery life if my laptop is connected to wifi just sitting on the desktop? |
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| 07:10.14 | crapeau | Connor1: what is the estimated battery life??? |
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| 07:10.27 | Connor1 | crapeau I'm not sure |
| 07:11.34 | crapeau | Connor1: 2 hour sometimes is normal, roughly 8% in 14 mins end up giving 2 hrs |
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| 07:14.48 | blackrock | Hello all. I want to download an old debian version, namely "etch". Where do I find an image file? |
| 07:15.08 | blackrock | All the links point to 6.0.1 images |
| 07:15.30 | streuner__ | blackrock: /msg dpkg etch |
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| 07:18.28 | blackrock | thanks! |
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| 07:31.40 | Karen_m | is it ok to go from lenny->squeeze remotely? |
| 07:31.55 | Connor1 | The only guides on the internet I'm seeing are temporarily disabling the trackpad, any way to do it permanently? |
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| 07:32.41 | Karen_m | spammer <XT-600> come on to #calculus we will show you the most beautiful secrets about the life |
| 07:32.47 | Karen_m | this guy has an on-join spam |
| 07:32.58 | Karen_m | !ops xt-600 on-join spam |
| 07:32.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: karen_m complains about: xt-600 on-join spam |
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| 07:36.17 | jrt4 | At wiki.debian.org/AtiHowto it says that "For Debian Squeeze and later releases, you will need to install proprietary firmware if you have one of the following cards: ... RV630" ... it then proceeds to give totally different instructions from the page on ATI proprietary drivers. |
| 07:36.23 | jrt4 | Are drivers different than firmware? |
| 07:36.45 | jrt4 | that is, can I use proprietary firmware, and open-source drivers? |
| 07:37.01 | streuner__ | yes |
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| 07:38.04 | jrt4 | streuner__: OK, thanks. |
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| 07:39.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps can somebody point me in the right direction for route -cross over cable- linux connections please |
| 07:39.26 | Connor1 | I found a way to do it |
| 07:39.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | i need to hook up to the console of this cisco router wifi AP |
| 07:39.34 | Connor1 | modprobe -r psmouse |
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| 07:56.42 | jmarsden | Eryn_1983_FL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_crossover_cable |
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| 08:34.40 | anddam | hi |
| 08:34.50 | anddam | is there a guideline for choosing partitions size? |
| 08:35.08 | earthnative | probably hundreds |
| 08:35.18 | anddam | a debian official one? |
| 08:35.20 | earthnative | I don't know if there is an official debian one tho |
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| 08:36.07 | anddam | I'm on a system where root is 18GB, home 20GB and /usr is 29GB with 3GB used, we ran out of space on /home |
| 08:36.28 | anddam | I wonder what's the reason (if any) behind a 30GB /usr |
| 08:36.37 | earthnative | my guess? default |
| 08:37.01 | earthnative | I have systems with 200gig + /home, and others with 500meg /home |
| 08:37.25 | earthnative | depending on usage. (that first is my personal home server, the latter is an example from work, where /home is not expected to be used much, if at all |
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| 08:59.49 | bolt-work | anddam: there can be no official guide on recommended partition sizes, because it all depends on how the system is to be used |
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| 09:00.11 | bolt-work | anddam: however, the installer does suggest choosing "all files in one partition" if you're unsure |
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| 09:02.06 | soa2ii | anddam: Or have a look at LVM and such. With the correct filesystem (ext4 for example) you can resize the partitions later. |
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| 09:03.08 | smof | hi |
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| 09:03.20 | smof | There is a smylink named /tmp/a.txt which points the file /tmp/b.txt I want to copy a.txt to another place |
| 09:03.30 | smof | but I don't want to copy the symlink, instead of this, copied file must be original (b.txt). can anyone help? |
| 09:04.08 | soa2ii | smof: cp -L ? |
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| 09:05.46 | smof | thanks soa2ii, this is what I want. |
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| 09:09.59 | phirox | What iso should I download, isee debian-6.0.1-amd64-CD- 1 through 52, but sizes differ enourmously(±200MB) ? |
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| 09:15.07 | phirox | gah ok, just the first.. nm :) |
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| 09:17.23 | Iridos | or the netinstall |
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| 09:32.27 | anddam | soa2ii: can I resize ext3 too? |
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| 09:32.54 | anddam | bolt-work: this is a system where I've been assigned to work on and we ran out of home space |
| 09:33.04 | soa2ii | anddam: AFAIK yes but it's not safe. You should consider manuals and not me if it's important data |
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| 09:33.44 | anddam | I see, thanks |
| 09:33.48 | bolt-work | resizing ext3 is as safe as ext4 afaik |
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| 09:34.01 | bolt-work | you just have to do it correctly |
| 09:34.11 | bolt-work | and you should have backups anyway, so it doesn't really matter |
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| 09:35.07 | bolt-work | anddam: i'm afraid we can't tell you why the original sysadmin thought you needed 30 gigs of /usr |
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| 09:36.31 | anddam | I wasn't hoping that much :-) |
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| 10:04.44 | jelly | soa2ii: growing ext3 works. |
| 10:05.04 | soa2ii | jelly: I know. But is it officially supported? |
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| 10:05.35 | jelly | soa2ii: yes. |
| 10:05.56 | soa2ii | Oh fine then. anddam as jelly says growing Ext3 should be fine too. |
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| 10:06.22 | jelly | upstream supports it. Incidentally, e2fsprogs upstream maintainer is the same person as the Debian package maintainer |
| 10:06.37 | ribasushi | soa2ii: pretty much any FS these days can be safely grown |
| 10:06.44 | ribasushi | soa2ii: lots of them online too |
| 10:07.09 | soa2ii | Ahhh yes, that was it. Ext3 is not officially online growabl, is it? |
| 10:07.17 | jelly | soa2ii: yes it fucking is. |
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| 10:07.24 | ribasushi | soa2ii: it is |
| 10:07.48 | ribasushi | soa2ii: only thing that is spotty at best is *shrinking* |
| 10:08.12 | jelly | shrinking is an offline process, and it works as well |
| 10:08.37 | soa2ii | Weird ⦠was it always? I could say for sure that there was something with Ext3 ⦠seems I'm wrong |
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| 10:09.30 | jelly | soa2ii: the functionality was added 1999-2001 |
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| 10:10.42 | jelly | even RHEL4, released in 2005 supports online growing ext3 (using a slightly different tool than current resize2fs) |
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| 10:15.21 | freebse | Hi, my ATI x300 on debian 6 is limited to radeon drivers, this drivers are a big problem when using Firefox 4 RC2 because no video watchable... can someone verifiy this problem in here, before i post a bug report, I disabled all addons etc. |
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| 10:15.39 | ethanol | http://pastebin.com/SS9wsgV3 this is not so good, right? |
| 10:15.58 | freebse | someone else need to have this problem, otherwise this is no bug, it is just my system or firefox settings, whatever |
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| 10:17.17 | Bus3rr0r | check your cabling ethanol |
| 10:17.18 | arvind_khadri | Hi, I am running squeeze, I wanted to know if am running SysV init scripts or upstart ?? |
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| 10:18.04 | bzed | sysv init scripts, ordered with insserv. < arvind_khadri |
| 10:18.08 | bzed | !insserv |
| 10:18.08 | dpkg | insserv is a dependency-based <init> system that is compatible with <sysvinit> and is the default from squeeze onwards. To use insserv, your init scripts need to have tags at the top of them that describe what they depend on, to permit the correct ordering of the init scripts; ask me about <missing lsb tags>. |
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| 10:18.38 | arvind_khadri | bzed, thanks :) |
| 10:18.43 | bzed | you're welcome |
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| 10:38.39 | simonrvn | wolfric: select properties then add an app in one of the tabs... |
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| 10:39.56 | gosi | mornin folks |
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| 10:41.18 | petemc | just ask your real question |
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| 10:44.45 | bilm | For some reason, 'networking' isn't started on my machine automatically. Is there a way to regenerate the symlinks to /etc/init.d/networking from the runlevel dirs? |
| 10:45.24 | simonrvn | cp --no-dereference foo bar |
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| 10:46.24 | bilm | The point is that I don't know the target of course. So, in which runlevel wich priority |
| 10:46.39 | obscurant1st | I am trying to install debian in my motorola defy using bootstrap with armel arch. But when i install apt-get install lxde, some keyamp error is coming, i tried selecting british qwerty keymap, the error coming is http://www.pastie.org/1699227 |
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| 10:47.03 | obscurant1st | but installing icewm went without any issues. but i prefer ixde! can anyone pls help me? |
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| 10:49.08 | dobran | bilm, http://www.debianadmin.com/manage-linux-init-or-startup-scripts.html ? |
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| 10:51.29 | bilm | dobran: I don' twant to manually tweak stuff... I'd like to ahve it as it is supposed to be installed |
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| 10:52.13 | Cozminsky | So nfs4 is just a matter of changing mountpoints to nfs4 instead of nfs? |
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| 10:53.50 | obscurant1st | somebody? |
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| 10:57.18 | Bushmills | bilm: the only starting symlink to /etc/init.d/networking here is /etc/rcS.d/S14networking |
| 10:58.18 | themill | that's quite fine |
| 10:58.45 | bilm | I also had it on another PC |
| 10:59.02 | bilm | But you can't be sure it's correct, the insserv stuff should determine the priority |
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| 10:59.31 | Cozminsky | Is this statement true? "One difference between NFSv3 and NFSv4 you have to grasp if you want to use NFSv4, and know how NFSv3 works, is that with NFSv4 you export only one filesystem tree." |
| 10:59.36 | Bushmills | asi'm using dependency based runlevel links, that S14 is just before S15portmap |
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| 11:00.40 | babilen | bilm: enable it with, for example, rcconf or sysv-rc-conf and run "insserv" afterwards. |
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| 11:01.16 | babilen | bilm: The maintainer script itself runs "update-rc.d networking start 40 S . start 35 0 6 . > /dev/null" |
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| 11:02.22 | babilen | bilm: Also, what is the output of "ls -l /etc/rc*/*networking ? |
| 11:03.43 | bilm | babilen: it only did K07 in level 0 an d6 |
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| 11:04.18 | bilm | I now manually put the symlink there and ran insserv. It didn't change anything (the manual symlink is still there) |
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| 11:04.21 | bilm | Was this not wise? |
| 11:04.51 | ethanol | why is lenny not in the archives yet? |
| 11:05.10 | aypea[3] | cos it's not old enough to go to florida |
| 11:05.25 | themill | ethanol: lenny is still a supported release |
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| 11:05.34 | ethanol | why can it not find any packages then? :< |
| 11:05.56 | Leoneof | when lenny get expire? |
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| 11:06.07 | aypea[3] | around a year from now |
| 11:06.21 | themill | dpkg: tell ethanol about doesn't work |
| 11:06.24 | blackshirt1 | she had expired |
| 11:06.47 | ethanol | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/iptstate -> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "ipstate" |
| 11:06.52 | ethanol | arg |
| 11:06.56 | ethanol | I just noticed it -_- |
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| 11:10.25 | lapsusbrutus | Im going to set up a radius server on my home network for the learning experience.. Anyone can give any good advice for how to do it? Using OpenLDAP is a good idea? Plan to use a accesspoint as client.. Im about to store users in sql database.. (first time doing these things:)) using freeradius btw. Also plan to set up squid cache and dhcp + dns on the same box :) phew |
| 11:12.03 | aypea[3] | i use freeradius+pgsql - easily handles 200+ auths per second :) if you want to store your dns records in a db, you can use pgsql with pdns too :) |
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| 11:12.26 | aypea[3] | that's on an old p4 btw. |
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| 11:12.43 | lapsusbrutus | aypea[3]: nice info, thats really cool! |
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| 11:12.55 | lapsusbrutus | thanks :D |
| 11:13.12 | gnugr | lapsusbrutus: try there : #openldap |
| 11:13.32 | Cozminsky | lapsusbrutus: so the radius server is for wpa enterprise? |
| 11:13.47 | lapsusbrutus | I just installed mysql (InnoDB) I guess pdns is ok there too :) |
| 11:14.42 | aypea[3] | that'll work too :) |
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| 11:14.52 | lapsusbrutus | Cozminsky: My wife will be the only user :D But its for learning this time.. Who knows I might be able to use it somewhere more interesting later ;) |
| 11:14.56 | Cozminsky | lapsusbrutus: pdns works with mysql/postgres/oracle with the generic RDBMS stuff. ldap works too but has different config |
| 11:16.08 | Cozminsky | lapsusbrutus: still doesn't clear up what you plan on using radius for |
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| 11:17.29 | lapsusbrutus | wpa enterprise. hmm Its for an accesspoint in my home :P with wpa encrytion I hope.. Wife is only user of wireless there:p |
| 11:17.56 | abrotman | Hi! |
| 11:18.01 | lapsusbrutus | hello:) |
| 11:18.11 | abrotman | is new here. |
| 11:18.29 | abrotman | How does this normally work? You get assigned a helper? |
| 11:18.34 | abrotman | case numbers? |
| 11:18.36 | themill | !spank abrotman |
| 11:18.36 | dpkg | bends abrotman over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
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| 11:19.30 | lapsusbrutus | abrotman: just tell us your problem and someone might be able to help:) |
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| 11:19.56 | abrotman | Well, it all started when I was five ... |
| 11:20.04 | lapsusbrutus | thank you all for your help and cool/good advice. Going to do some reading |
| 11:20.06 | lapsusbrutus | :p |
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| 11:20.30 | Cozminsky | abrotman: how did you feel about being five? |
| 11:20.39 | abrotman | i was five dude .. feel? |
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| 11:21.55 | mms_ | any one knows about CDMA phone unlock ? Please read this post if interested and answer http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=12285752#post12285752 |
| 11:22.53 | lapsusbrutus | want my next phone to run debian ;) |
| 11:23.42 | xk | lol |
| 11:23.49 | xk | demanding someone to answer your forum question |
| 11:23.51 | Cozminsky | abrotman: I was trying to emulate a certain helpful AI therapist |
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| 11:25.21 | abrotman | mms_: how is that related to Debian? |
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| 11:25.55 | mms_ | abrotman: I agree. I posted to xda-devs now :-) |
| 11:26.00 | abrotman | bye |
| 11:26.08 | mms_ | bye |
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| 11:27.44 | blackshirt1 | abrotman: I have successfully install samba4 from sid repos, but when I run provision, something error like this : ImportError: /usr/lib/libgensec.so.0: undefined symbol: _dcerpc_binding_handle_data |
| 11:27.51 | blackshirt1 | abrotman: can you help me |
| 11:28.05 | abrotman | sounds like your libc6 is out of sync with your package .. |
| 11:28.11 | abrotman | or some library |
| 11:28.16 | abrotman | how did you "install it" ? |
| 11:28.42 | blackshirt1 | abrotman: I have install it with apt-get install samba4 |
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| 11:29.21 | abrotman | onto a squeeze system ? |
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| 11:33.01 | simonrvn | probably, sounds like what you said, glibc |
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| 11:36.58 | obscurant1st | while booting all i am getting is a small x instead of mpuse opinter on a blank screen, what should i do? |
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| 11:38.34 | obscurant1st | somebody pls? |
| 11:38.55 | steinmb | hi :) |
| 11:39.57 | steinmb | anyone got tips on to update or not an older Debian 4.0 to 6.0? |
| 11:40.47 | freebse | steinmb: reinstall :) does save you time |
| 11:40.52 | steinmb | I have testupdated this server at one point fra 4 to 5 and that worked just fine, but then came the long awaited 6.0 |
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| 11:41.34 | steinmb | freebse: hi, I do not have physical access to this server, it is located in another town |
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| 11:42.01 | babilen | steinmb: You can update it to lenny and then to squeeze. Follow the respective release notes. Just don't jump directly from etch to squeeze ... |
| 11:42.02 | steinmb | Is "only" used as a typical webserver with a LAMP-stack |
| 11:42.39 | freebse | steinmb: ok then first to 5 then to 6 |
| 11:42.43 | steinmb | babilen: aaah, was afraid that I had to do it in a two step operation |
| 11:42.44 | freebse | good luck :) |
| 11:42.53 | babilen | steinmb: Also make sure that you take care of some MySQL changes (skip-bdb comes to mind) during or after the update. |
| 11:43.03 | themill | changes in php will give added amusement for your php scripts too, no doubt. |
| 11:43.06 | freebse | I guess it will not work really |
| 11:43.08 | Bushmills | obscurant1st: install and run a window manager |
| 11:43.23 | steinmb | freebse: :) thanx, there will be hacking around and merging of old config. |
| 11:43.34 | freebse | exactly :) |
| 11:43.48 | themill | freebse: debian is quite upgradeable this should work fine.. just a little tweaking and unbreaking is required afterwards depending on how customised your setup is. |
| 11:43.52 | freebse | and leaving you with old stuff and new stuff etc |
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| 11:44.26 | freebse | themill: from 4 to 5, there are major changes, anyways I wish you the best |
| 11:44.30 | steinmb | I was planning on let the debian installer install the new apache configs and just merge the old changes to these manually. Is that a good idea? |
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| 11:45.11 | steinmb | When I upgraded from 4 to 5 where there rather large changes to Apache and PHP config files |
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| 11:45.59 | themill | freebse: not that major. sargeâetch was much more traumatic. |
| 11:46.12 | freebse | steinmb: not really, I never upgraded from 4 to 6, so I can not tell you what problems there are |
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| 11:46.20 | steinmb | My biggest concern is that the server does not come up after reboot, most other thing should I be able to get running. |
| 11:46.32 | freebse | maybe it is just me, I learned reinstalling is better than upgrading and I stick to it |
| 11:46.35 | Bushmills | steinmb: more and more programs allow custom configuration placed in subdirectories, included as files by the main configuration. that's a way to keep the provided config files in more or less original state, and do your changes by added files. that's true more more recent apache now as well |
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| 11:46.57 | Bushmills | steinmb: so in case your old config does heavy customisation of original config files, consider to migrate |
| 11:47.13 | themill | steinmb: you will of course have a backup of all your config files ;) Any files you've changed won't get clobbered by the upgrade, but you also won't get any improvements/changes in the default configs either. |
| 11:47.25 | freebse | in a clean system with partions for /boot /etc /var /home and so on, reinstalling is easier at least in my point of view |
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| 11:48.09 | freebse | but since this is no option for the problem here |
| 11:48.19 | steinmb | hmmm tinkering |
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| 11:49.45 | steinmb | well one option is getting one dummy that got physical access to the server to do a clean 6 install on a virtual server and give me access to this one to move webservers and db. into that one |
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| 11:53.27 | steinmb | Bushmills: themill freebse thank for all your input. |
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| 11:55.44 | Okurwieniec | i installed debian 6.0.0 i have background and cursor - thats normal? |
| 11:56.14 | Okurwieniec | tmw session ok |
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| 12:00.27 | abrotman | Okurwieniec: what else did oyu want? |
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| 12:02.00 | Okurwieniec | what i should do to have gui with more then background and cursor? |
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| 12:03.17 | AthomIk | well, for use epson sx 215, take the last snapshot for gutenprint |
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| 12:04.21 | babilen | Okurwieniec: You can install a variety of Desktop Environment like Gnome, KDE, LXDE or XFCE. If you don't want a full-fledged desktop environment you can choose to install a window manager such as fluxbox, awesomewm, openbox, wmii, xmonad or sawfish. What do you want? |
| 12:05.15 | Okurwieniec | i wish gnome |
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| 12:05.49 | abrotman | Okurwieniec: aptitude install xorg gnome gdm3 |
| 12:05.52 | babilen | !tell Okurwieniec -about install gnome |
| 12:06.23 | babilen | !tell Okurwieniec -about install xorg |
| 12:06.29 | freebse | abrotman: apt-get install gnome is enough, xorg and gdm3 are part of it |
| 12:06.48 | bilm | babilen: so, is it a problem that i did a manual symlink for networking to rcS.d? |
| 12:07.12 | abrotman | freebse: not really true .. but okay |
| 12:07.31 | freebse | abrotman: init ? let me check |
| 12:08.01 | Okurwieniec | thx |
| 12:08.31 | freebse | abrotman: forget about it, but gnome does install xorg as dependency |
| 12:08.58 | freebse | not sure about gdm3, but anyways this is rather unimportant |
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| 12:09.45 | abrotman | freebse: i think it's a recommends |
| 12:10.22 | freebse | abrotman: :) just forget about it :) it does not matter |
| 12:10.31 | abrotman | and nothing wrong with being more explicit? |
| 12:10.51 | freebse | yapp that is true, so forget about it ;) |
| 12:10.54 | blackshirt1 | cAN we install kfreebsd kernel on debian linux ? |
| 12:11.05 | themill | blackshirt1: the key is in the name. no. |
| 12:11.17 | freebse | no |
| 12:11.58 | abrotman | blackshirt1: you can have Debian-kfreebsd .. but Debian Linux runs a uh .. Linux kernel |
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| 12:12.58 | obscurant1st | Bushmills: i have installed fvwm and nowwhat i have to do? |
| 12:13.41 | obscurant1st | Bushmills: i installed it from terminal (alt ctrl f1) |
| 12:15.00 | Bushmills | obscurant1st: make sure first that what you see isn't the window manager already. exit X, then, from console, run startx /usr/bin/xterm. in the graphical terminal, enter fvwm, and see whether that's different to what you had. |
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| 12:20.32 | obscurant1st | Bushmills: how can i exit the x? |
| 12:20.54 | crond | obscurant1st: ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 12:21.03 | Bushmills | ctrl alt backspace, or kill ot |
| 12:21.04 | Bushmills | it |
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| 12:30.00 | obscurant1st | Bushmills: its not working, i mean when doing that startx /usr/bin/xterm it gives me errors |
| 12:30.28 | Bushmills | i'd, were I you, read the errors |
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| 12:30.55 | Bushmills | they often contain information about the nature of a problem |
| 12:30.59 | obscurant1st | yeah i read it, it says bad display localhost:0 |
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| 12:31.59 | obscurant1st | Bushmills: btw i just have to get the display up in a vnc, not in the machine! |
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| 12:32.17 | obscurant1st | in the machine i need the terminal, which is working fine. |
| 12:32.33 | Bushmills | "can't open display" or "server already active" i'd have understood. but "bad display" i don't know |
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| 12:39.18 | wolfric | How do i change the initial dir of bash/terminal? It's normally my home dir but for some reason it's now my root dir |
| 12:39.38 | Bushmills | are you root? |
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| 12:39.58 | Bushmills | "root dir" as in / or as in /root? |
| 12:42.18 | wolfric | Bushmills: / |
| 12:42.27 | wolfric | Bushmills: and i'm not logged in as root |
| 12:42.49 | Bushmills | do ls -l /home and look whether permissions on your home dir are such that it is accessable for you as user |
| 12:44.37 | wolfric | Bushmills: i created another user so compare the /etc/passwd and now apparently for some reason it works again... i'll just hope for the time being it stays fixed. /home/wofric is owned by wolfric and is 755 btw |
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| 12:44.57 | Bushmills | there's the problem |
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| 12:46.04 | wolfric | ? |
| 12:46.07 | Bushmills | your home dir should be "/home/wolfric" |
| 12:46.25 | wolfric | Bushmills: ? |
| 12:46.33 | wolfric | Bushmills: as in in inverted commas? |
| 12:46.35 | Bushmills | "/home/wofric is owned by wolfric" |
| 12:46.38 | bolt | wolfric: typo |
| 12:47.24 | wolfric | ah yes typo on my part i meant wolfric |
| 12:48.07 | Bushmills | then look at last string of grep "^$(whoami):" /etc/passwd, wether that gives your home dir correctly |
| 12:48.35 | Bushmills | ehm .. not last string. next to last |
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| 12:49.28 | Bushmills | grep "^$USER:" /etc/passwd would do as well |
| 12:50.10 | gnugr | then type " ls -la " for results |
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| 12:54.21 | sedo_5 | hello everyone |
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| 12:54.59 | DammitJim | good morning |
| 12:55.57 | sedo_5 | could anyone help me for just a second? i need internet connection in tty console but i'm noticing that when i get out of X it drops every connection (either wifi or cable) |
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| 12:56.17 | sedo_5 | is there a simple command i copuld use to start my connction in tty console? |
| 12:57.12 | sedo_5 | i tried the standard ifup command ...but it sais there's not such connection, no matter the name of the connection i use |
| 12:57.28 | AthomIk | sedo_5: for fast, in X, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and you are in console mode |
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| 12:57.52 | DammitJim | sedo_5, are you root? |
| 12:57.53 | Bushmills | sedo_5: dhclient eth0 if you're on eth0 with dhcp |
| 12:58.09 | DammitJim | cat /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:58.11 | Krobar | Hi Everyone, I'm new to Debian but not Linux. Are the kernel packages here considered stable? |
| 12:58.16 | Krobar | http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/linux-2.6 |
| 12:58.29 | Bushmills | Krobar: no |
| 12:58.29 | sedo_5 | yes it mantains the connection if i press ctrlaltf1 when X is still running in another tty, but what if i WANT to switch off X? |
| 12:58.32 | Bushmills | !sid |
| 12:58.32 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 12:59.10 | sedo_5 | just to be precise: i want to use the sgfxi script |
| 12:59.17 | Krobar | Oh - Make Sense :) |
| 12:59.33 | Krobar | is the latest stable 2.6.32? |
| 12:59.43 | Bushmills | it is |
| 13:00.32 | Krobar | OK, does anyone here have experience of SR-IOV Xen PCI Passthough on PV with Squeeze? |
| 13:00.56 | sedo_5 | Bushmills but i'm not in dhcp |
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| 13:01.03 | sedo_5 | Bushmills: but i'm not in dhcp |
| 13:01.46 | Bushmills | sedo_5: sorry, i don't have other guesses how you might connect to network |
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| 13:02.13 | sedo_5 | AthomIk: i think that i cannot launch properly the script if X is already running on another tty |
| 13:02.23 | Krobar | I'm having some passthough issues and since AFAIK Debian uses the PVops kernel I figured a newer kernel might help but thinking back to ToyStory I think you might be right to leave it alone. |
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| 13:03.31 | Bushmills | Krobar: stable or not - you can compile a kernel from more recent sources, install and boot that one. |
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| 13:03.45 | Bushmills | even vanilla sources from kernel.org will do |
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| 13:05.12 | Krobar | So source is better than sid? |
| 13:05.22 | sedo_5 | i tried launching the script without logging out of gdm, then the script had to shut it down....so it switched off the connection too |
| 13:05.43 | sedo_5 | now i'm on tty1 without any connection |
| 13:05.58 | sedo_5 | neither wifi nor eth |
| 13:06.01 | Krobar | I figured I would get packaging issues with source or rpm of unsupported kernel. |
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| 13:06.34 | Bushmills | can't say "better" - if one wants to run a different kernel than provided, one usually has a reason to do so, which often involves the want or need to customise it, which suggests compiling from source |
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| 13:08.16 | babilen | !tell Krobar -about make-kpkg |
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| 13:09.06 | babilen | Krobar: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage + the other factoids referenced from the <make-kpkg> one |
| 13:09.24 | sedo_5 | any suggestion guys? :( |
| 13:09.49 | babilen | Krobar: It is typically possible to also just install the linux-image from sid + linux-base or a kernel from backports. |
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| 13:14.58 | guampa | good morning, anyone using make-kpkg here? |
| 13:15.07 | abrotman | probably .. ask a real question |
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| 13:15.54 | guampa | after a couple runs, it started adding some kinda xxxx-xxxxxxx alphanum code to the end of the kernels/debs |
| 13:16.10 | guampa | couldn't find why or how to stop that |
| 13:16.46 | crond | gah |
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| 13:16.58 | guampa | :) asshole q? |
| 13:16.59 | crond | I need to install the wl driver for my wifi and can't find a goddamned ethernet cable |
| 13:17.04 | crond | figures :P |
| 13:17.48 | Ticho | make one, all you need are four twisted pairs :> |
| 13:18.24 | crond | Ticho: NO, I need MONSTER brand ethernet cable for uh... better... acoustics... |
| 13:18.33 | Ticho | yeah, i guess you're right |
| 13:18.39 | EmleyMoor | Audiophool? |
| 13:18.53 | Krobar | crond: I think there is a hifi cable by Denon, its referred to as a Denonlink cable |
| 13:19.00 | Ticho | the wires have to be covered in gold, too |
| 13:19.09 | crond | Ticho: bugger that, Platinum. |
| 13:19.24 | Ticho | ah, i see you're going for the highend |
| 13:19.27 | babilen | points at #defocus |
| 13:19.28 | Krobar | http://usa.denon.com/us/Product/Pages/Product-Detail.aspx?Catid=5840d55c-4077-4d9e-9421-36f204fb4587&SubId=85958de8-a123-4213-8ae1-bb6afaee9a97&ProductId=f7d26b3a-05a6-4724-a5c1-2a63642a6206 |
| 13:19.44 | guampa | abrotman: any ideas as to my question? |
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| 13:19.52 | Ticho | don't forget mandatory demagnetizing, vendor-certified strip wraps every inch on the cable |
| 13:20.23 | Ticho | those will add that extra oomph to your ethernet frames |
| 13:20.36 | abrotman | guampa: do you ahve an example of what it is tacking on ? |
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| 13:21.14 | guampa | abrotman: yes my uname -r, 2.6.38-customstring-06603-g10effcb |
| 13:21.28 | guampa | its the latter part that is getting automatically added |
| 13:21.32 | abrotman | eh .. nope, never seen that before |
| 13:21.58 | guampa | allright, thx anyway |
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| 13:25.59 | izua_ | hey there. |
| 13:26.18 | izua_ | i want to install debian on a box that will boot from an usb stick if one is present |
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| 13:27.09 | izua_ | however, i need an image (netinst or whatnot) that will automatically pull the network settings and start ssh, so i can ssh directly in the installer, no questions asked, no need to add a keyboard/display. |
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| 13:27.13 | izua_ | is it possible? |
| 13:28.15 | stockholm | is there a vpn solution that supports pcrypt (distribution of crypto load over several cpus)? |
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| 13:28.31 | functor | hmm, seem to be having trouble loading window manager with Xvnc4 |
| 13:28.58 | functor | I connect and all I see is the default noisy background with X pointer |
| 13:29.08 | functor | I added the wm to the end of xstartup |
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| 13:29.47 | guampa | izua_: someting like netbootcd, bko, drbl ? |
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| 13:30.16 | izua_ | not sure |
| 13:30.28 | m__h__ | Hello, is cl-sdl in lenny repositories or not ( debian package-search on debian web page says yes, but I cannot find it on list on page and cannot find it using my system tools) |
| 13:30.28 | izua_ | can i do a headless install with netbootcd, bko, drbl? |
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| 13:30.50 | izua_ | "# Shutting down the phone with USB plugged in will start ClockworkMod Recovery in an unreliable mode. |
| 13:30.50 | guampa | might wanna check them out, maybe one of them suits you |
| 13:30.57 | izua_ | "which can install a full GNU/Linux system with only a hard drive and Internet connection." seems like it. |
| 13:31.03 | izua_ | also, wrong paste. |
| 13:31.21 | guampa | they all boot from usb |
| 13:31.35 | abrotman | guampa: did you look in your /etc/kernel-pkg.conf ? |
| 13:32.30 | m__h__ | ok even dpkg bot do not know answer |
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| 13:32.59 | m__h__ | So debian have now two list of packages... |
| 13:33.39 | abrotman | m__h__: it's only available in lenny |
| 13:33.57 | guampa | abrotman: yes, the only possibly related param is the "debian revision number" , uncommented it and it (seems to) cause the build to fail on bad control dir permissions, anyway that string can be specified with make-kpkg --revision IIUC |
| 13:34.00 | abrotman | m__h__: if you want to know more .. put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
| 13:34.17 | m__h__ | ok |
| 13:34.18 | abrotman | guampa: yes .. i tohught you were just trying to stop the auto-string |
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| 13:34.26 | guampa | trying now with --revision |
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| 13:35.10 | guampa | yes i uncommented it in an attempt to stop the auto-string |
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| 13:36.53 | m__h__ | abrotman: I have send url trought msg |
| 13:37.16 | abrotman | you're using squeeze, not lenny |
| 13:37.23 | m__h__ | ah |
| 13:37.27 | m__h__ | right |
| 13:37.28 | abrotman | http://pastebin.com/CEMXv6wJ |
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| 13:37.53 | m__h__ | I have changed version, sorry |
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| 13:39.41 | m__h__ | bye |
| 13:39.59 | mosno | i'm sure this is documented somewhere, but how does one force the isohybrid to install i386, not amd64? |
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| 13:40.34 | dvs | mosno: Choose the first option on the first menu. |
| 13:40.41 | EmleyMoor | mosno: I think the menu that appears allows you to choose |
| 13:40.44 | dvs | (the one that doesn't say 64-bit) |
| 13:41.09 | mosno | ah, the bootloader menu? damn my poor memory |
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| 13:49.09 | karlpinc | So I've finally gotten around to abandoning kde/gnome. I like the way fluxbox works but I want to be able to drag the sides of windows so while running fluxbox I chose to use the sawfish wm. Problem is then the toolbar goes away. (Which I don't know how to use. Maybe I want another so I can move the clock right and have boxes to click on for workspaces.) And I like the fluxbox method of right clicking (instead of sawfish's middle click) to call up the |
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| 13:51.11 | karlpinc | Whatever I do I want to be able to bump the sides of the screen to change workspaces. |
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| 13:52.30 | emacsenlee | is there a client that support both emule and bittorrent? |
| 13:52.39 | catsup | karlpinc: your first line was cut off |
| 13:52.54 | catsup | for me, it was cut off at 'to call up the' |
| 13:53.51 | catsup | that's because IRC truncates long lines |
| 13:54.08 | karlpinc | I like how fluxbox calls up the menu with the right mouse buttion instead of sawfish's middle mouse. And I like the fluxbox menu. Where do I go from here to deal with these problems? |
| 13:54.27 | karlpinc | catsup: The irc server or the client? I saw everything I typed. |
| 13:54.31 | catsup | the server |
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| 13:54.45 | catsup | the client doesn't show that, because the server doesn't send the message back to the person who sent it |
| 13:54.52 | karlpinc | catsup: sane |
| 13:55.13 | karlpinc | emacsenlee: Install debtags and search. |
| 13:55.40 | emacsenlee | thanks karlpinc |
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| 13:56.58 | orudie | I just installed debian for the first time, and the installer asked me to select installation components, I picked SQL server and Mail server, which SQL server and Mail server did it install ? |
| 13:57.16 | catsup | karlpinc: i don't use any of that software. but i recommend you use alt+mouse for all your window moving/resizing, and that you just edit the configuration of your preferred window manager to produce the menu on the desired key -- rather than looking for a WM with your preferred settings as defaults |
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| 13:59.15 | sep | orudie, tasksel --task-packages database-server makes me belive it's postgresql |
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| 14:05.36 | babilen | orudie: likewise "tasksel --task-packages mail-server" -- PostgreSQL is a good choice fwiw |
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| 14:06.57 | pigdude | i have broken packages...i am not sure what to do |
| 14:07.01 | pigdude | let me paste |
| 14:08.25 | pigdude | clearly i cannot let aptitude install stuff like php5 on this server with live websites http://paste.pocoo.org/show/357737/ |
| 14:08.29 | pigdude | *uninstall |
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| 14:08.43 | pigdude | what is going on? all i ever do is update and upgrade, nothing fancy. i don't see how this can happen |
| 14:08.58 | pigdude | i last upgraded maybe 6-8weeks ago |
| 14:09.41 | dvs | pigdude: What's in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 14:10.17 | pigdude | deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny main contrib, and deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib |
| 14:10.41 | dvs | pigdude: You have stable/updates and not lenny/updates |
| 14:10.51 | pigdude | oh is squeee stable now? |
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| 14:11.01 | dvs | pigdude: yes |
| 14:11.16 | pigdude | oh wow time flies :^) |
| 14:11.20 | pigdude | ok ok i know what to do, thank you |
| 14:11.49 | dvs | pigdude: Change stable to lenny then update? |
| 14:12.11 | pigdude | dvs: yep, then back to stable and dist-upgrade, right? |
| 14:12.21 | pigdude | dvs: (after upgrading on lenny) |
| 14:12.29 | dvs | pigdude: no, leave it at lenny |
| 14:12.32 | pigdude | oh ok |
| 14:12.38 | pigdude | so i run dist-upgrade in lenny to get 6.x? |
| 14:12.53 | babilen | no, you'll follow the release notes |
| 14:12.59 | dvs | pigdude: no, follow the squeeze install guide to upgrade. |
| 14:13.02 | babilen | !tell pigdude -about squeeze release notes |
| 14:13.10 | pigdude | ok, thanks |
| 14:13.24 | babilen | pigdude: Make sure you read "What's new in Squeeze" and chapter 4 |
| 14:13.27 | babilen | (at least) |
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| 14:14.21 | pigdude | thanks, reading now |
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| 14:16.23 | pigdude | this is unclear, what am i doing to sources.list? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrade-process |
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| 14:16.58 | pigdude | it mixes upgrade info w/ intro to apt info |
| 14:17.03 | pigdude | so i don't know what is relevant |
| 14:17.24 | pigdude | according to this, i _do_ need 'squeeze' mirrors in my sources.list...that is odd |
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| 14:17.46 | stmaher | hi guys.. |
| 14:17.50 | dvs | pigdude: Yes, you do. But you don't just do an dist-upgrade afterwards |
| 14:17.55 | stmaher | How do i set boot order using LSB headers? |
| 14:18.05 | stmaher | like S99 for last script |
| 14:18.09 | stmaher | how do i do that with LSB? |
| 14:18.10 | pigdude | dvs: according to this, i do upgrade and _then_ dist-upgrade. is that accurate? |
| 14:18.17 | dvs | pigdude: no |
| 14:19.00 | pigdude | 4.4.2. Updating the package list - apt-get update |
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| 14:19.15 | pigdude | 4.4.4. Minimal system upgrade - apt-get upgrade |
| 14:19.23 | pigdude | 4.4.3 does not apply to me |
| 14:19.51 | pigdude | i surely am missing something... |
| 14:20.15 | dvs | pigdude: 4.4.5 |
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| 14:20.36 | pigdude | 4.4.4 is before 4.4.5 right? |
| 14:20.43 | dvs | pigdude: yes |
| 14:20.45 | pigdude | dont i do that first? |
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| 14:21.06 | pigdude | it recommends minimal upgrade first |
| 14:21.18 | pigdude | "In some cases, doing the full upgrade (as described below) directly might remove large numbers of packages that you will want to keep. We therefore recommend a two-part upgrade process, first a minimal upgrade to overcome these conflicts, then a full upgrade as described in Section 4.4.6, âUpgrading the systemâ." |
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| 14:24.18 | pigdude | i've done this before...i will trust the docs and myself...what you're suggesting doesn't make sense |
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| 14:24.31 | dvs | pigdude: What doesn't make sense? |
| 14:24.48 | pigdude | dvs: it makes no sense to go in an order different from the one i see in the docs |
| 14:25.11 | pigdude | dvs: which says clearly to upgrade, then kernel upgrade, then dist-upgrade |
| 14:25.28 | pigdude | (the quote i just pasted) |
| 14:25.33 | dvs | pigdude: Yes, that's right. You didn't have the kernel step before.\ |
| 14:25.40 | pigdude | oh haha :^) |
| 14:25.44 | pigdude | we were saying the same thing |
| 14:25.50 | pigdude | ok ok thanks for the help dvs ! |
| 14:25.59 | dvs | <pigdude> dvs: according to this, i do upgrade and _then_ dist-upgrade. is that accurate? |
| 14:26.09 | dvs | where's the kernel step? |
| 14:26.26 | dvs | np |
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| 14:28.59 | \flo | hi |
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| 14:29.44 | \flo | what's the correct way for downgrading a package? |
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| 14:30.11 | \flo | the problem i've experiencing is known to the debian team, but not yet resolved; the only "solution" was "downgrade your kernel." |
| 14:30.32 | dkr | !downgrade |
| 14:30.32 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 14:31.02 | \flo | dkr, so, you mean, dpkg -i and the aptitude hold? |
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| 14:31.13 | nork | \flo, apt pinning is probably your best bet |
| 14:31.24 | Spida | or backup/restore, perhaps using lvm snapshots or something... |
| 14:31.30 | \flo | nork, why pin and not hold? |
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| 14:32.14 | hipodilski | hi i'm running server with a lenny what is the chance if I upgrade to squeeze for the server not to boot some suggested upgrade article would be nice also |
| 14:32.35 | \flo | hipodilski, the lenny -> squeeze upgrade manual is pretty cool |
| 14:32.45 | catsup | you don't need to downgrade packages to use an earlier kernel version |
| 14:32.55 | \flo | catsup, i need to downgrade my kernel |
| 14:33.11 | dkr | so just install older kernel and choose it at boot from grub menu |
| 14:33.11 | catsup | install the kernel version your need and configure your bootloader to boot that |
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| 14:33.27 | \flo | catsup, i don't want to downgrade to another version (2.6.32 -> 2.6.26 for example), but from .32-31 to .32-30 |
| 14:33.33 | catsup | oh |
| 14:33.42 | catsup | nevermind then :p |
| 14:33.42 | hipodilski | where is that manual? |
| 14:33.45 | dkr | heh |
| 14:33.56 | dkr | !tell hipodilski about lenny->squeeze |
| 14:33.57 | catsup | but you can remove the kernel you don't want and then install the kernel you do |
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| 14:34.14 | nork | \flo, if that's the case, you're right, a hold is your best option |
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| 14:34.19 | obscurant1st | i hv installed debian with just openbox. now i need to access it with VNC, can anyone pls tell me how to connect ? i mean i think i have some problems in xstartup file |
| 14:34.29 | nork | I had figured you wanted the version from a different repo |
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| 14:34.33 | dkr | hipodilski: note especially the last part of that factoid: READ THE <release notes> |
| 14:34.37 | \flo | which packages are affected by a kernel downgrade? |
| 14:34.41 | obscurant1st | i am using tightvnc |
| 14:34.42 | \flo | only linux-image and linux-base? |
| 14:34.46 | chattr | \flo: maybe http://snapshot.debian.org/ has the -30 kernel? |
| 14:34.53 | \flo | i still have it in my cache |
| 14:35.02 | \flo | i just need to know which commands are the correct ones ;) |
| 14:35.08 | orudie | can someone link me to debian reference which shows how to set up services such as SSH, Postfix, MySQL etc.. |
| 14:35.46 | nmftm | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/ssh.htm |
| 14:35.47 | nmftm | that? |
| 14:36.18 | alkisg | I moved my debian installation to another partition. I don't remember well, but it's possible that the old partition was ext4 while the new one is ext3. |
| 14:36.18 | alkisg | I'm getting "ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/XXX doesn't exist" and a busybox shell. |
| 14:36.18 | alkisg | Should I try to chroot into it and install the ext4 module in the initramfs? |
| 14:36.19 | hipodilski | maybe it's better not to risk cause I don't have physical access to the server |
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| 14:36.25 | alkisg | *ext3 |
| 14:36.39 | \flo | hipodilski, generally, if it ain't broken, don't fix it |
| 14:36.50 | \flo | if lenny works okay for you, don't upgrade |
| 14:36.58 | nmftm | Ubuntu also has a good SSH documentation: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH |
| 14:37.36 | hipodilski | \flo: true |
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| 14:41.13 | justin | alkisg: that error has nothing to do with the filesystem type |
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| 14:41.40 | alkisg | justin: hmmm any ideas why it doesn't see the disk then? |
| 14:41.43 | justin | alkisg: you need to update our grub configuration and fstab with the new disk uuid |
| 14:42.05 | DammitJim | justin, how do you find the uuid? I can't remember that |
| 14:42.11 | alkisg | justin: I used tune2fs to put the old uuid to the new partition |
| 14:42.12 | justin | or I guess you could use tune2fs to change the uid to the old one |
| 14:42.16 | alkisg | But let me check again... |
| 14:42.26 | stmaher | Hi guys.. does anyone know how to set the priority of startup using LSB scripts? |
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| 14:42.35 | justin | DammitJim: ls /dev/disk/by-uuid -l |
| 14:42.41 | justin | is the easiest way |
| 14:42.49 | justin | alkisg: look in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 14:42.52 | alkisg | uses blkid |
| 14:42.54 | DammitJim | ah! this goes in my howto file, then |
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| 14:43.32 | justin | oh, blkid is probably better :) |
| 14:43.37 | justin | that shows all the information |
| 14:44.08 | lapsusbrutus | guys.. how to know if my dns server does dns caching? :p |
| 14:44.33 | alkisg | justin: the uuid in grub.cfg is correct, and I'm using /dev/sda4 in fstab... so those seem OK |
| 14:44.38 | Bushmills | lapsusbrutus: use dig, query it several times on host names you haven't queried for a while |
| 14:44.50 | Bushmills | look at the time dig shows to resolve it |
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| 14:45.29 | stmaher | Anyone.. LSB scripts.. and priority? |
| 14:45.32 | lapsusbrutus | Bushmills: dig! ahh dig it :p |
| 14:45.42 | lapsusbrutus | thanks |
| 14:45.46 | alkisg | Ouch. Seems like I need an fsck :( |
| 14:46.02 | DammitJim | how does one get wpa_supplicant to run? |
| 14:46.06 | DammitJim | something is hosed on my setup |
| 14:46.14 | erAbuelo | buenas tardes |
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| 14:46.37 | DammitJim | I have no wpa_supplicant.conf file in /etc |
| 14:46.51 | justin | DammitJim: use network manager or something? |
| 14:46.55 | frikinz | DammitJim: that's fine if you have the info in interfaces file |
| 14:47.04 | Bushmills | DammitJim: wpa_supplicant -c config_file |
| 14:47.05 | DammitJim | I want to use wpa_cli |
| 14:47.12 | justin | DammitJim: no, you really, really, don't |
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| 14:47.27 | DammitJim | somehow it worked last night, but today I'm getting a Could not connect to wpa_supplicant -re-trying |
| 14:47.28 | Lars_G | Greets all. |
| 14:47.36 | DammitJim | why not, justin ? LOL |
| 14:48.02 | DammitJim | network manager wasn't working either (it wouldn't ask me for anything when I tried to connect to a wireless network |
| 14:48.12 | justin | DammitJim: try wicd then |
| 14:48.13 | DammitJim | frikinz, what do you mean? |
| 14:48.14 | Lars_G | Question, is there an offitial or extraoffitial automated network install method for debian? I want to install in one machine and change the configuration, and create that into an image that will let me install automatically to many machines (and specify only machine name at install time) |
| 14:48.22 | DammitJim | no, I want cli access |
| 14:48.34 | justin | DammitJim: wicd has a cli |
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| 14:48.51 | frikinz | DammitJim: you can have the psk directly in interfaces file. But now I also use wpa_cli and roaming. |
| 14:48.52 | DammitJim | is wicd as easy as apt-get install wicd? |
| 14:49.03 | justin | it's certainly easier than getting wpa_cli to work |
| 14:49.06 | DammitJim | frikinz, that's what I want |
| 14:49.16 | frikinz | I think I had nothing to do to make wpa_cli work |
| 14:49.18 | DammitJim | I thought other probrams used wpa_cli indirectly |
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| 14:49.29 | DammitJim | +1 frikinz ... something is up with my setup |
| 14:49.39 | DammitJim | I betcha network-manager screwed it up |
| 14:49.56 | justin | if you installed network-manager you shouldn't be messing with wpa_cli, they will just fight with each other |
| 14:49.58 | DammitJim | frikinz, how can I get wpa_supplicant to run? |
| 14:50.02 | frikinz | DammitJim: mmh yeah I removed it |
| 14:50.08 | DammitJim | justin, I have uninstalled network-manager |
| 14:50.20 | lapsusbrutus | Bushmills: hmm If server(bind9) does caching, where would those files be stored? It does caching automaticly :D 33ms vs 2 ms ahh |
| 14:50.38 | frikinz | DammitJim: so populate again wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 14:50.50 | Bushmills | lapsusbrutus: no idea. /var/cache/somewhere maybe |
| 14:50.52 | DammitJim | frikinz, where? |
| 14:50.54 | frikinz | I find it actually a bit messy all this |
| 14:51.00 | gnugr | stmaher: please go there and read: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
| 14:51.06 | justin | you don't need a wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 14:51.08 | frikinz | DammitJim: in /etc/wpa/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 14:51.14 | DammitJim | you see... I had a wireless network in /etc/network/interfaces, but I want roaming |
| 14:51.33 | Lars_G | DammitJim: You can add several access points to the file frikinz specified |
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| 14:51.50 | DammitJim | Lars_G, I'm aware of that... I just don't know where this file should reside |
| 14:51.55 | DammitJim | I have no wpa directory under /etc |
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| 14:52.05 | lapsusbrutus | would like to adjust ttl's and such things.. What would be a good ttl for personal use? A year? :p Guess server rechecks if not found anyway? or doesnt it work like that? |
| 14:52.13 | Lars_G | DammitJim: And I'd suggest you avoid networkmanager if you can |
| 14:52.14 | DammitJim | frikinz, are you saying I should create the directory and the file? I have a wpa_supplicant directory under /etc |
| 14:52.15 | frikinz | DammitJim: /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 14:52.15 | orudie | how to apply changes after editting /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 14:52.16 | Terminus_ | hello. question, would i run into any trouble upgrading lenny to squeeze inside a chroot from a bootable usb? |
| 14:52.23 | frikinz | DammitJim: sorry |
| 14:52.25 | DammitJim | ok, thanks frikinz |
| 14:52.33 | justin | lapsusbrutus: 1 year will break many many things |
| 14:52.36 | DammitJim | orudie, ifup ifdown |
| 14:52.43 | Terminus_ | orudie: invoke-rc.d networking restart |
| 14:52.48 | justin | lapsusbrutus: an hour or so is a good start |
| 14:52.54 | frikinz | personnaly I'm searching for a gui that calls ifup/ifdown commands :) |
| 14:53.07 | Bushmills | lapsusbrutus: they idea is that the authoritative server provides the TTL for the caching (recursive) server to respect |
| 14:53.09 | DammitJim | frikinz, doesn't wpa_gui do that? LOL |
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| 14:53.12 | frikinz | ah there was wpa_gui |
| 14:53.16 | frikinz | DammitJim: true |
| 14:53.20 | stmaher | gnugr I have.. but it doesnt give a clear indication on how to start in a particular order.. it just makes it S01 |
| 14:53.33 | DammitJim | frikinz, that's next... do you have a wpa_supplicant.conf sample file? |
| 14:53.40 | orudie | networking restart gives me warning deprecated |
| 14:53.44 | justin | stmaher: why does it matter what order it starts? |
| 14:53.53 | frikinz | DammitJim: there are good example. let me look |
| 14:53.56 | DammitJim | I've seen some tutorials, but they are all different |
| 14:54.16 | Bushmills | lapsusbrutus: the caching server would know, for example, if host name it just resolved changes ip addresses every 60 minutes, for example |
| 14:54.17 | Lars_G | DammitJim: there might be a manual for it, but let me see |
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| 14:54.35 | Bushmills | wouldn't |
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| 14:54.50 | DammitJim | I was reading this: http://www.fmepnet.org/debian_wpa.html |
| 14:54.56 | stmaher | justin SSH daemon (S21) needs to start before my own script which is to do with some VPN and iptables cripts |
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| 14:55.22 | babilen | DammitJim: I would recommend wicd to (easily) configure your wifi. If you want to use wpa_supplicant's roaming mode, you can find extensive documentation in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz |
| 14:55.24 | lapsusbrutus | justin Bushmills: Ohh ok, thanks I want server to be authorative on lan and caching for internet :) and Id like a high ttl for caching.. but Maybe Id better leave option stock then for starting. Thanks for advice ! :) |
| 14:55.40 | DammitJim | btw... thanks guys for all the feedback |
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| 14:55.59 | Bushmills | lapsusbrutus: then set TTL higher in A record of the hosts you want to be cached longer |
| 14:56.08 | spermonface | when can I download Iceweasel 4? |
| 14:56.23 | justin | stmaher: can't you just use Required-Start: ssh ? |
| 14:56.27 | spermonface | stable |
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| 14:57.24 | lapsusbrutus | Bushmills: thanks |
| 14:57.38 | Lars_G | Question, is there an offitial or extraoffitial automated network install method for debian? I want to install in one machine and change the configuration, and create that into an image that will let me install automatically to many machines (and specify only machine name at install time) |
| 14:57.39 | babilen | spermonface: It will never be available from stable repos, but it might make it into backports. Can't give you an ETA though. |
| 14:57.46 | Bushmills | 4 hours to 24 hours is what you will often find as TTL |
| 14:57.59 | justin | Lars_G: presseding or fai |
| 14:58.08 | Lars_G | justin: I'll check. thank you |
| 14:58.22 | Lars_G | justin: do you have a link to fai? I foresee problems googling that |
| 14:58.26 | spermonface | ok |
| 14:58.51 | nork | Lars_G, fai-project.org |
| 14:58.55 | babilen | spermonface: It is easy to just download FF4 from upstream and unpack it to /opt or /usr/local though. You can even teach the alternative system that it is your preferred x-www-browser (man update-alternatives) |
| 14:58.56 | justin | Lars_G: you won't. preseeding is a lot easier though |
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| 14:59.22 | Lars_G | nork: thank you very much |
| 14:59.57 | babilen | DammitJim: What did you pick? |
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| 15:00.18 | Lars_G | Thank you both, I have enough to work now |
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| 15:00.36 | nork | FAI is extremely flexible, I use it at my site. It's not exactly a drop in solution though, and it may be overkill for your needs |
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| 15:01.08 | DammitJim | babilen, I'm waiting for a sample wpa_supplicant.conf file from frikinz |
| 15:01.14 | frikinz | ah |
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| 15:01.33 | justin | DammitJim: why don't you just use wicd? you would have been done 20 minutes ago |
| 15:01.38 | Terminus_ | oh what the heck. i'll just make a debian installer as backup and then attempt to upgrade via a chroot. |
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| 15:01.56 | DammitJim | justin, it's not about the destination, it's about the journey |
| 15:02.05 | frikinz | DammitJim: http://pastebin.com/WGnACi49 |
| 15:02.17 | orudie | networking restart gives me warning deprecated and changes don't take effect |
| 15:02.27 | DammitJim | frikinz, thanks! |
| 15:02.39 | justin | orudie: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 15:02.46 | frikinz | DammitJim: as several said, look at the doc too. I did not invent mine, I picked it either in wpa_supplicant or in wpa_cli doc. |
| 15:02.48 | justin | where did you get a 'networking' binary from? |
| 15:02.56 | Lars_G | nork: Ok. it might end up being overkill considering we're standarizing installs, but if it has any puppet like funct it will help |
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| 15:03.40 | DammitJim | frikinz, do you have something in interfaces that points to this file? |
| 15:05.02 | frikinz | DammitJim: http://pastebin.com/B1SFtWBb |
| 15:05.26 | DammitJim | interesting |
| 15:05.30 | DammitJim | this is so clean |
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| 15:07.37 | babilen | DammitJim: Just look at the README.modes.gz -- You basically want " wpa-roam /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf" in /etc/network/interfaces and a suitable wpa_supplicant.conf as detailed in, for example, /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/wpa-roam.conf. Have a look at the other files in the example/ directory too. |
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| 15:08.17 | DammitJim | babilen, I have... I just wanted a real life specific example |
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| 15:09.47 | babilen | DammitJim: I would still recommend to consider using wicd, as editing wpa_supplicant.conf for every network you connect to can become a bit cumbersome and you end up with a bunch of networks you'll never connect to again. That being said, wpa_supplicant's roaming mode is nice and a good way to configure your wireless, but has its drawbacks. |
| 15:10.26 | frikinz | the thing with my example... if an open network is seen with ssid Freewifi, it might take it before my secure one livebox-dead. Not sure if reordering my wpa_supplicant.conf would help |
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| 15:10.58 | DammitJim | babilen, I'm not looking to edit it every time... I'm looking to get wpa_cli to work |
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| 15:11.07 | babilen | DammitJim: Note that the indentation is frikinz's example is a bit off. |
| 15:11.20 | frikinz | babilen: a little bit yes :) |
| 15:11.21 | DammitJim | frikinz, there are priorities you can assign ;) |
| 15:11.45 | frikinz | DammitJim: ok. I can't check right now I removed /usr/share/doc .. :) |
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| 15:11.47 | DammitJim | ok, now why is it that the wpa_supplicant daemon isn't starting automatically? |
| 15:11.57 | babilen | DammitJim: (I will shut up now, but) you know that wicd has a wonderful ncurses cli interface? |
| 15:12.00 | DammitJim | LOL @ frikinz your help is greatly appreciated |
| 15:12.37 | DammitJim | babilen, I don't know why, but I feel that wpa_cli should suffice w/o having to install more packages |
| 15:12.48 | DammitJim | I'm probably wrong, but at the same time, I am trying to learn |
| 15:13.08 | DammitJim | it's kinda interesting 'cause wpa_cli works like how Android has made their APIs |
| 15:13.18 | DammitJim | but that's another topic |
| 15:13.23 | babilen | DammitJim: It does. I just recommend it because *I* personnaly made the switched and saved a lot of time configuring wifi networks. |
| 15:13.29 | DammitJim | also, I work with Wifi stuff and this is stuff I should be learning |
| 15:13.50 | DammitJim | babilen, no doubt... I'll have to look into wicd for my wife's netbook ;) |
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| 15:14.52 | frikinz | yes, wicd is also nice I was using this before. it just broke one day and didn't find the root cause. But I suggest it too, it's far better than nm |
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| 15:15.26 | DammitJim | frikinz, does your wpa_supplicant daemon start automatically? |
| 15:15.57 | frikinz | Ok let me start my wifi and have a double default route.. a second |
| 15:16.02 | DammitJim | nevermind... after the reboot we are in business! |
| 15:16.12 | DammitJim | frikinz, thank you! |
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| 15:16.29 | frikinz | DammitJim: you're welcome :) |
| 15:16.52 | DammitJim | frikin Z |
| 15:16.54 | DammitJim | lol |
| 15:16.59 | DammitJim | is that for zcat? |
| 15:17.22 | frikinz | DammitJim: that's a pseudo random nick |
| 15:17.35 | DammitJim | I really like how debian allows you to supply the driver during install (i.e. for wireless drivers) |
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| 15:18.55 | frikinz | DammitJim: so if you want to go a bit further you can play with map (see man interfaces) |
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| 15:19.09 | DammitJim | is map different than nmap? |
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| 15:19.28 | lapsusbrutus | zone "0.10.10.in-addr.arpa" ... if I want to use 192.168.0.0 network.. I guess this line should be changed to something else (from /etc/bind/named.conf.local).. what should I use.. I dont find this name logical yet .. |
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| 15:19.50 | DammitJim | frikinz, how did you come up with that psk in your wpa_supplicant? |
| 15:20.06 | DammitJim | did you supply it via wpa_cli? |
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| 15:20.33 | frikinz | DammitJim: wpa_passphrase |
| 15:21.10 | frikinz | DammitJim: and my wifi key is chaning everyday. I have to make a preup script for that one day |
| 15:21.13 | DammitJim | in wpa_cli, right? |
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| 15:21.22 | lapsusbrutus | DammitJim: map i dont know.. but nmap is a swiss army knife for looking at your network :) e.g nmao -sP 192.168.0.0/24 is pretty nice for seeing what IPs are occupied |
| 15:21.45 | DammitJim | what's the difference between nmap and map, then? |
| 15:21.48 | frikinz | DammitJim: no, from the cli |
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| 15:22.11 | Big_Aziz | hi people :) |
| 15:22.23 | DammitJim | frikinz, you just do wpa_passphrase <passphrase> and it spits out the HEX equivalent? |
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| 15:22.40 | frikinz | wpa_passphrase <ssid> and it asks for the pass |
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| 15:22.59 | DammitJim | I wonder when you use that vs passphrase in wpa_cli |
| 15:23.01 | DammitJim | interesting |
| 15:23.03 | DammitJim | so much to learn! |
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| 15:23.42 | dokma | Hey guyz. I've got Lenny LAMP server with sshd for connecting to it. A client is asking for ftp access to upload some files but I am not going to open ftp just for that. Does anyone know of some php application that could serve as a replacement for this purpose?? |
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| 15:24.09 | justin | dokma: this client of yours a windows user? just have them install winscp |
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| 15:24.33 | frikinz | or filezilla |
| 15:24.44 | dokma | justin: it must be a no brainer... opening a php app in a browser is much better choice for now and for later as well |
| 15:24.50 | justin | filezilla is way too complicated |
| 15:25.03 | justin | but then you would be running a php app |
| 15:25.10 | knoxy | Hi. I've a HP DL120 with Smart Array B110i. I create RAID 1+0 with 4 HD's and Debian installer cannot detect this logical volume. How can I do to fix it? I'm trying with Debian 6.0.1 |
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| 15:25.58 | dokma | I bet there is some php app for this purpose |
| 15:26.06 | dokma | but can't nail anything with G |
| 15:27.03 | nork | dokma, sshd has good chroot support now, I would consider setting up a chrooted SFTP environment |
| 15:27.17 | Bushmills | there is php-http-upload |
| 15:27.56 | Bushmills | but scp/sftp clients will beat any php concoction |
| 15:28.57 | dokma | Bushmills: this is just what I need... I have no intention of letting clients anywhere near my machine over scp/sftp |
| 15:29.26 | justin | !+scponly |
| 15:29.26 | dpkg | scponly is a restricted shell limiting user access to OpenSSH applications (scp, sftp). It can optionally operate chrooted, which requires a chroot jail for the user to be established; see /usr/share/doc/scponly/README.Debian and Debian bug #551868. http://sublimation.org/scponly/wiki/index.php/FAQ http://sublimation.org/scponly/wiki/ See also <rssh>. |
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| 15:29.55 | DammitJim | +1 Bushmills |
| 15:30.01 | Bushmills | dokma: others wouldn't allow anything like php on the same machine |
| 15:30.35 | dokma | Bushmills: the machine already has php on it so that one is inevitable |
| 15:30.59 | Bushmills | allowing world to execute code on that machine? |
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| 15:32.28 | dokma | Bushmills: ofcourse not |
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| 15:32.57 | Bushmills | but that's what php does for that machine. |
| 15:33.22 | dokma | Bushmills: ok then... |
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| 15:37.06 | jhutchins_lt | Strange, getting an invalid signature on squeeze-backports this morning. |
| 15:37.27 | ethanol | squeeze backports exists? |
| 15:37.31 | orudie | how can I get my files and directories to have pretty colors ? |
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| 15:38.18 | ethanol | ls --color=auto |
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| 15:38.55 | orudie | will this be a permanent thing for all users ? |
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| 15:39.11 | ethanol | google and use brain |
| 15:39.28 | lansink | lol |
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| 15:39.32 | jhutchins_lt | orudie: You can set that as a global alias. |
| 15:39.40 | jhutchins_lt | orudie: That's what other distros do. |
| 15:39.59 | jhutchins_lt | orudie: Otherwise it's just a one-time option. |
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| 15:41.05 | jair | guys, this is probably a very popular question on the forum. I am trying to make debian squeeze my primary laptop/server (w510) very powerful machine but is a laptop ;-) and I am not able to configure the power management settings even after changing them in gnome |
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| 15:41.29 | jair | basically I am telling the screen to turn off after 30 and keeps blanking dark after 10 min |
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| 15:41.45 | jair | I tried dpms xset but nothing |
| 15:42.12 | jair | it says that changed it but I am taking the time and after 10 min the screen goes dark |
| 15:42.16 | justin | jair: dpms is not blanking, dpms is off |
| 15:42.23 | justin | try xset s off |
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| 15:44.56 | jair | justin: this is what shows on the xset -q dpms: http://paste.debian.net/111612/ |
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| 15:45.05 | jair | justin: I will try your suggestion but looks to me like dpms is on |
| 15:45.21 | justin | again, dpms is not the screen saver |
| 15:45.30 | jair | justin: should I try that command as root? or as the regular user? |
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| 15:46.03 | jair | justin: alright so to understand this better what is making that screen to go off? xorg? |
| 15:46.34 | justin | jair: you need to stop mixing up terms |
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| 15:46.48 | justin | jair: dpms makes the screen turn off. the screensaver makes the screen turn black |
| 15:46.51 | justin | they are not the same thing. |
| 15:47.02 | jair | justin: thank you =) |
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| 15:47.41 | justin | you can see this by running sleep 2;xset dpms force off |
| 15:47.59 | jair | justin: xset controls the screensaver that is the black screen correct? |
| 15:48.13 | jair | justin: I need to run the command xset s off as root correct? |
| 15:48.22 | justin | jair: xset s controllers the screensaver. xset dpms controlls dpms |
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| 15:48.39 | justin | no, you should not be running anything as root |
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| 15:49.45 | jair | justin: alright I am understanding now |
| 15:50.28 | orudie | jhutchins, i'm not getting any good results from searching google for debian global aliases colors |
| 15:50.32 | jhutchins_lt | jair: It's possible your bios is doing this. |
| 15:50.42 | alkisg | I think I installed some minimal version of the initramfs, and it doesn't have the necessary modules to see the vbox hard disk controller. How can I switch to a more "full" version of the initramfs? |
| 15:50.47 | jhutchins_lt | !bash |
| 15:50.47 | dpkg | hmm... bash is the Bourne Again SHell, and the default Debian shell. Ask me about <bash faq>, <bash pitfalls>, <bbg>, <abs>, <parsing ls>, <bashism>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bash #bash on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
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| 15:51.11 | jhutchins_lt | orudie: Try /msg dpkg bbg |
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| 15:53.47 | jair | justin: I will do a test with the laptop and take the time see if the black screen come back after turning off screensaver with xset command |
| 15:54.11 | dutchfish | orudie, do you mean /etc/skel/.bashrc ? |
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| 15:55.08 | gnugr | orudie: bookmark this link: http://wiki.yobi.be/wiki/Debian_Commands#apt-get_update |
| 15:55.36 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: That won't change existing users. |
| 15:56.01 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt, true |
| 15:56.15 | jhutchins_lt | gnugr: What does that have to do with anything? |
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| 15:57.25 | Bushmills | orudie: you could place an alias loader into /etc/profile.d |
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| 15:57.37 | redax | hi |
| 15:57.51 | Big_Aziz | hi |
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| 15:58.36 | redax | what is the debian way to set net.ipv4.conf.vlanX.arp_filter = 1 |
| 15:58.38 | orudie | Bushmills, what is alias loader? |
| 15:58.55 | dutchfish | Bushmills, wouldn't that override ~/.bashrc ? |
| 15:58.57 | redax | I can't put it sysctl.conf as the vlanX devices not yet created |
| 15:58.57 | justin | redax: /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 15:59.05 | justin | redax: oh |
| 15:59.05 | Bushmills | a script which either defines aliases, or loads (sources) a file which defines aliases |
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| 15:59.24 | justin | redax: a post-up command in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 15:59.43 | redax | isn't there an option in /etc/network/options or interfaces ? |
| 15:59.48 | redax | post-up should work :D |
| 16:00.05 | justin | yeah, if there is an option it would do pretty much the same ting |
| 16:00.15 | Bushmills | dutchfish: afaik, ~/.bashrc has precedence, by being loaded later, therefore able to override/undo profile.d customisations |
| 16:00.23 | redax | just I'd like to know, is there a debianised way to set those conf/dev/ stuffas |
| 16:00.28 | dutchfish | Bushmills, ok |
| 16:00.43 | redax | ok. thanks post-up will do... |
| 16:01.54 | dutchfish | jelly, i have still a couple of the same switches, they juts don't want to die ;) |
| 16:02.07 | dutchfish | oops, wrong channel |
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| 16:02.45 | redax | aaa. same question v2: vlan configuration at /etc/network/interfaces ... I'd like to have unique mac-address per vlan... pre-up not working because vlan dev not yet created by vconfig, post-up not working because interface is up (and you cannot do ifconfig DEV hw ethere XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX on an interface which is up and running) |
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| 16:03.39 | Matias | Hello guys! |
| 16:03.39 | cgc | hi everyone |
| 16:03.51 | cgc | does anyone know how to get the mail command on squeeze? |
| 16:03.59 | redax | maybe pre-up vconfig add vlan1 .... ; pre-up ifconfig vlan1 hw ether XX:XX..... ? |
| 16:04.18 | redax | cgc: apt-get install mailx ? |
| 16:04.25 | Bushmills | orudie: you can also define LS_COLORS environment variable in /etc/environment |
| 16:04.39 | Matias | do you know any way to convert videos from flv to avi? I tried using mencoder and DownloadHelper (the Firefox addon) and the avi returned seems broken. any idea? |
| 16:04.58 | cgc | redax: cool, thanks :D |
| 16:05.01 | redax | Matis: ffmpeg will work |
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| 16:05.35 | cgc | redax: command-not-found doesn't give much useful info with this command |
| 16:05.44 | redax | huh? |
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| 16:06.29 | Bushmills | i guess he means the search for package, providing that command |
| 16:06.46 | redax | bsd-mailx |
| 16:06.47 | redax | grr |
| 16:06.51 | Bushmills | i.e. done automatically when a command is unknown |
| 16:06.54 | redax | cgc: apt-get install bsd-mailx |
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| 16:06.56 | Matias | redax: I will try, thank you |
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| 16:07.14 | redax | Matias: debian-multimedia.org has the latest ffmpeg |
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| 16:07.25 | Matias | redax: by the way, I don't think so, DownloadHelper does use ffmpeg |
| 16:07.29 | redax | or what .. 1min I'll check |
| 16:07.46 | cgc | redax: np, i installed mailutils instead, I was just saying that command-not-found didn't suggest this package or bsd-mailx, which is annoying |
| 16:08.06 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: That would mean having to respond to every cli typo as well. |
| 16:08.07 | redax | cgc: use mutt or pine or whatever |
| 16:08.11 | Matias | you can configure it, mine is using ffmpeg |
| 16:08.22 | Bushmills | jhutchins_lt: which it does |
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| 16:08.55 | redax | Matias: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main |
| 16:09.16 | redax | ofcoz replace the distro with your... |
| 16:09.23 | Matias | ok but then? |
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| 16:09.37 | Bushmills | jhutchins_lt: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1300810163049006875d.png |
| 16:10.00 | redax | Matias: put it on your apt/sources.list and you can have the latest ffpmeg :D |
| 16:10.21 | Bushmills | jhutchins_lt: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1300810207919354758d.png |
| 16:10.22 | redax | at least I'm using that version except if I need the edge version.. |
| 16:10.24 | Matias | ahm, I don't think the problem is the version of ffpmeg that I'm using but let me try |
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| 16:10.48 | redax | oh. so you have ffmpeg installed :D |
| 16:11.02 | Matias | yes, DownloadHelper is using it to convert the flv |
| 16:11.08 | redax | test it by hand, and try to convert any flv to avi/divx/mpeg2 or whatever by hand |
| 16:11.17 | Matias | ok |
| 16:11.25 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: Interesting. What does that? |
| 16:11.41 | Bushmills | (17:05:35) cgc: redax: command-not-found doesn't give much useful info with this command |
| 16:12.06 | Matias | ohh! I just found that even if DH is ""using"" it, I don't have it installed lol |
| 16:12.06 | redax | huh? |
| 16:12.11 | Matias | thank you! |
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| 16:12.32 | Matias | (I wonder why it doesn't return an error) |
| 16:13.05 | cgc | Bushmills: huh? |
| 16:13.15 | Bushmills | cgc: (17:11:25) jhutchins_lt: Bushmills: Interesting. What does that? |
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| 16:15.02 | cgc | <Bushmills>: ah so its not just a problem with the mail command: this is what happens for the mail command: http://pastebin.com/U5wuAT6y |
| 16:15.31 | Bushmills | well, you got plenty of useful information there |
| 16:15.32 | cgc | Bushmills: it doesn't suggest any of the packages which provide 'mail', strange aye? |
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| 16:15.44 | Matias | redax: done, thank you :) |
| 16:15.49 | redax | np |
| 16:16.03 | Bushmills | cgc: try mailx |
| 16:16.16 | redax | cgc: bsd-mailx the package name actually in squeeze |
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| 16:16.21 | cgc | Bushmills: I've already fixed it |
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| 16:16.50 | tedo | I wonder if iceweasel 4 will be available through the repository as a regular update or will I need to add a squeeze-backports repository as explained on http://mozilla.debian.net/? |
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| 16:17.08 | cgc | I just wanted to point out how unuseful command-not-found is in this situation |
| 16:17.19 | redax | why the hell do we miss CONFIG_LEGACY_PTYS out from the stock kernels |
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| 16:17.29 | redax | I mean debian kernel |
| 16:17.29 | redax | s |
| 16:17.36 | Bushmills | tedo: not in stable - you'll need backports for stable |
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| 16:17.49 | frikinz | redax cause we have ptmx ones? |
| 16:17.52 | Bushmills | you may have it in testing, eventually |
| 16:18.25 | tedo | Bushmills: wheezy (testing) |
| 16:18.32 | redax | frikinz: I have an olda binary driver for an ethernet2Serial device which is using legacyptys :D |
| 16:18.52 | redax | time to time I upgrade the system I have to recompile the stock debian kernel here.. |
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| 16:19.13 | justin | ranix: maybe it is time to upgrade the old binary driver |
| 16:19.21 | frikinz | redax: its off since quite some time. 2.6.26 already |
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| 16:20.11 | redax | frikinz, justin: no way... company no longer exists, who created the device/driver .. which controls a laser cutter |
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| 16:20.27 | justin | sucks |
| 16:20.55 | redax | yah. so what can I do, other than make-kpkg :D |
| 16:21.51 | Bushmills | implement a free driver :) |
| 16:22.11 | redax | heh, lead free ? :D |
| 16:22.58 | redax | would be better to drop out some unwanted driver... take ages to compile this s**t |
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| 16:23.51 | redax | so, nobody using vlans with unique mac-address ? |
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| 16:25.03 | jair | justin: thank you buddy, makes completely sense what you told me, that is the difference between understand how something works and do not :) |
| 16:25.53 | jeward | So, we have a local debian repo for packages we created. Yesterday I added an "all" architecture and put a package in there, but it's not showing up when I aptitude update and search for it. Any ideas? |
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| 16:28.54 | redax | geezzz what's this: lguest.c:21:25: error: sys/eventfd.h: No such file or directory |
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| 16:30.23 | frikinz | jeward: never seen an "all" directory. you can have your pkg be architecture:all but I think you still need to put this package in every Release file for all the architectures. |
| 16:30.55 | frikinz | jeward: http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/dists/ here, there's no directory named all |
| 16:31.02 | ttyS1 | My video card was working very well with Lenny now that I've installed a clean copy of Squeeze the video keeps freezing and I have no choice but to restart. the error I get is: [drm:i915_hangcheck_elapsed] *ERROR* hang check timer elapsed... GPU hung render erro detected, EIR: 0x00000000 |
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| 16:31.26 | frikinz | jeward: apt calls dpkg-architecture or something like this to know where to go |
| 16:31.44 | jeward | frikinz: Okay, I'm trying to make something arch independant, the other packages are all duplicated across x86 and x64. |
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| 16:32.22 | ttyS1 | this is the lspci result: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01) |
| 16:32.38 | Pihti | ttyS1, what driver are you tryuing to use with it |
| 16:32.41 | jeward | frikinz: I guess I can just follow the example of the other packages, but none of them are arch dependant. |
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| 16:33.05 | frikinz | jeward: look at debian packages? like perl-doc |
| 16:33.29 | ttyS1 | Pihti: it automatically loads i915 i think |
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| 16:33.58 | frikinz | jeward: define it as arch:all, put it in the pool directory and have i386, amd64,wintendo etc.. Packages.gz file point to this pool/great_package.deb |
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| 16:34.13 | Pihti | ttyS1, test with vesa driver |
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| 16:34.42 | jeward | frikinz: Thanks! |
| 16:34.52 | redax | serial port with vesa driver? what? |
| 16:34.58 | ttyS1 | Pihti: what command should I type |
| 16:34.59 | frikinz | jeward: you're welcome. |
| 16:35.10 | redax | uhh.. sorry got it |
| 16:35.44 | Pihti | ttyS1, do you know anything about /etc/X11/xorg.conf and file editing? |
| 16:36.49 | ttyS1 | Pihti: a little |
| 16:37.20 | ranix | justin: what |
| 16:37.53 | Pihti | ttyS1, you need to create a xorg.conf and force X11 to use vesa driver instead of i915 driver. It might be that your card is false detected and it causes that you cannot see graphics. |
| 16:37.58 | justin | ranix: oh, nothing, just blind |
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| 16:38.43 | ttyS1 | Pihti: hum ok I will try that |
| 16:38.43 | wrksx | !build |
| 16:38.48 | wrksx | !t build |
| 16:38.53 | wrksx | !t build-package |
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| 16:38.59 | wrksx | !help |
| 16:39.03 | wrksx | hum |
| 16:39.03 | jhutchins_lt | wrksx: You're thinking of some other bot. |
| 16:39.08 | Pihti | ttyS1: You get a good base if you run "x --config" as root in root directory. |
| 16:39.15 | wrksx | jhutchins_lt, tight |
| 16:39.20 | twobitsprite | what's the best way to setup a pxe-bootable debian environment? |
| 16:39.22 | jhutchins_lt | wrksx: If you want to explore the bot or make multiple queries, you should /msg the bot. |
| 16:39.33 | wrksx | jhutchins_lt, ok thx |
| 16:39.35 | Pihti | If I remember correct, it should choke out a xorg.conf that you need to copy to /etc/X11/ |
| 16:39.40 | jhutchins_lt | wrksx: What's your question? |
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| 16:39.52 | Pihti | Read X manual (man X) to find more |
| 16:39.59 | wrksx | jhutchins_lt, how to create a debian package out of sources |
| 16:40.03 | ttyS1 | Pihti: oh alright thanks |
| 16:40.04 | jhutchins_lt | Pihti: s/x/X |
| 16:40.21 | Pihti | jhutchins_lt: what? |
| 16:40.23 | wrksx | jhutchins_lt, I saw here a tell about that |
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| 16:40.43 | jhutchins_lt | !build package |
| 16:40.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, build package is 'dpkg-buildpackage' or 'apt-get -b source <pkg>' |
| 16:40.54 | jhutchins_lt | !pkg |
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| 16:41.01 | jhutchins_lt | Ach. |
| 16:41.09 | wrksx | ! |
| 16:41.27 | engla | does debian support .tar.xz orig tarballs now? |
| 16:41.30 | wrksx | that's it ? |
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| 16:41.44 | wrksx | jhutchins_lt, thanks seems simple from this tell |
| 16:41.45 | engla | (I know it supports it, but does it in practise allow it? |
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| 16:43.23 | jhutchins_lt | engla: What do you mean by support? |
| 16:44.02 | jhutchins_lt | wrksx: I know there are some guides to building debian packages, but I'm not finding much in the bot base. |
| 16:44.15 | jhutchins_lt | engla: allow doing what with tarballs? |
| 16:44.19 | DammitJim | is there any way to do copy and paste on the terminal (like when you are on Ctrl + Alt + F1)? |
| 16:44.24 | wrksx | jhutchins_lt, i'll surf the web then thanks =) |
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| 16:44.48 | jhutchins_lt | wrksx: Check wiki.debian.org and other debian.org sites first. |
| 16:44.53 | jhutchins_lt | !mentors |
| 16:44.53 | dpkg | [mentors] the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
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| 16:45.05 | ElDiabolo | wrksx, aptitude install maint-guide-xx |
| 16:45.20 | ElDiabolo | with xx the language of your coice. |
| 16:45.45 | frikinz | DammitJim: you need gpm |
| 16:46.01 | DammitJim | googles it |
| 16:46.21 | MrFrood | DammitJim: if you have gpm installed press shift and highlight - otherwise run screen and use its uffer |
| 16:46.36 | DammitJim | oh, I can do scree, that's right! |
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| 16:46.53 | MrFrood | *buffer |
| 16:47.15 | engla | jhutchins_lt: using them as upstream tarballs without repackaging. previously the policy required that everything except .gz and .bz2 must be recompressed by the debian packager. So what I'm asking is if that has changed, and if the debian ftp masters or so now allow .orig.tar.xz |
| 16:47.25 | MrFrood | I think dvtm also has a copy/paste buffer |
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| 16:47.45 | wrksx | ElDiabolo, what's in maint-guide ? |
| 16:47.57 | jhutchins_lt | engla: That might be a question for #debian-mentors |
| 16:48.10 | engla | jhutchins_lt: and if debian supported it without having to basically undo the .xz, then It would make sense for me to release upstream software as .tar.xz |
| 16:48.38 | engla | jhutchins_lt: ok, but I'm not a packager :-) |
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| 16:48.55 | jhutchins_lt | engla: Why would you not want to use the universally recognized standard? |
| 16:49.15 | DammitJim | for gpm you need a mouse, right? |
| 16:49.27 | engla | jhutchins_lt: what do you mean? |
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| 16:49.58 | robokop | DammitJim: how else would you control the mousepointer? with your thought? |
| 16:50.09 | jhutchins_lt | engla: gz is the universally recognized default compression for tar files. |
| 16:50.25 | DammitJim | robokop, I thought you could navigate through the screen with keys, but that's cool :D |
| 16:50.31 | wrksx | jhutchins_lt, if i got it, you told me about mentor in case i would add my package to the distrib ? or is it required in any way ? |
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| 16:50.35 | zaltekk | robokop: my professor would recommend using eye tracking... |
| 16:50.41 | jhutchins_lt | DammitJim: Yeah, I don't think it supports shift-direction |
| 16:50.51 | DammitJim | screen is a good idea, though |
| 16:50.54 | engla | jhutchins_lt: well I know that but.. the whole of ftp.gnome.org is moving to .tar.xz. There will eventually be new standards |
| 16:51.11 | engla | jhutchins_lt: also, xz. is one of few supported (technically) formats by debian, it's not some random format |
| 16:51.27 | jhutchins_lt | engla: ... and pigs will eventually develop the ability to fly. |
| 16:51.28 | zaltekk | slackware is using xz for all packages nowadays |
| 16:51.47 | engla | jhutchins_lt: now you're just trolling |
| 16:51.57 | zaltekk | jhutchins_lt: maybe in japan. |
| 16:52.01 | zaltekk | if they have pigs, that is. |
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| 16:52.46 | ansgar | engla: It is not supported yet, but might be soon (maybe already next week). |
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| 16:53.07 | engla | ansgar: nice. I can't find any mailing list references to this. do you have any? |
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| 16:53.52 | dachpappe | hello, i performed an upgrade with aptitude on squeeze today and now things seem to be more seriously broken then i thought they would be |
| 16:53.52 | ansgar | engla: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.project/19048 It is on the agenda of the ftp team meeting (which is this week). |
| 16:54.09 | engla | thanks! |
| 16:54.14 | dachpappe | when i switch on my computer, i get a grub shell and from there, i get nowhere |
| 16:54.23 | wrksx | ElDiabolo, thanks i'll read the maintainer's guide |
| 16:54.25 | wrksx | =) |
| 16:55.09 | dachpappe | i cannot boot the machine from there because files are not found and commands are unknown. so much for grub. |
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| 16:55.32 | dachpappe | now, i am using a knoppix live cd |
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| 16:56.24 | DammitJim | yes, I like screen! |
| 16:56.33 | dachpappe | i had a look at my partition table with fdisk -l and started to worry: it says that my boot partition "does not end on cylinder boundary" |
| 16:56.50 | Pihti | dachpappe: there is nothing to worry with that |
| 16:56.51 | justin | dachpappe: don't worry. be happy. |
| 16:57.07 | dachpappe | i read that this error can actually be ignored |
| 16:57.09 | babilen | !tell dachpappe -about fixmbr |
| 16:57.16 | dachpappe | because modern systems use lba |
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| 16:57.54 | wrksx | I try to run sysbench |
| 16:58.05 | wrksx | what would be the debian way to install it |
| 16:58.06 | wrksx | ? |
| 16:58.28 | jimcooncat | I'm trying to run a debian live iso using grub2 on a usb drive. The ubuntu entries work, but the debian entry hangs after a while giving a message that it can't find the live filesystem. Would someone take a peek at this grub.cfg, please? http://paste.debian.net/111625/ |
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| 16:58.52 | dachpappe | bablien: ok, i read about that method already. first, i will have to opne my encrypted partitions.... |
| 16:59.04 | katsrc | everyone Firefox 4 has been released day: http://www.getfirefox.com |
| 16:59.20 | khem_ | I cant get Cisco-Linksys WUSB54GC to work on my Debian install, so thereby there is no network. However i got another machine with Linux and USB .. is there possible I can get any firmware or other packages to get that card working ? |
| 16:59.21 | katsrc | i know most of us will get it from repositories, but get yourselves counted and download. |
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| 17:03.51 | gnugr | jimcooncat: enter into ubuntu and update grub " sudo update-grub " , also you must know when install 2 distros the last one must be Ubuntu. |
| 17:04.52 | DammitJim | I just made a big boo boo by exporting PATh |
| 17:04.58 | DammitJim | what is PATH supposed to have? |
| 17:05.05 | jimcooncat | gnugr thanks so much! |
| 17:05.06 | gnugr | jimcooncat: or you can unplug ubuntu's HDD when you install debian |
| 17:05.56 | redax | what is the recommended way to set /sys/block/sda/queue/nr_requests to 256 ? |
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| 17:06.18 | jimcooncat | gnugr, just wanted to run it live; you think it might be picking up the Ubuntu install on my hd? |
| 17:07.51 | gnugr | jimcooncat: to run a live CD/DVD its not a prob, the prob is when you want to install |
| 17:08.59 | jimcooncat | gnugr, no, I just want to run live. I have a pxe setup at work I'll use if I decide to install on this machine |
| 17:09.03 | dachpappe | bablien: the howto for repairing grub says "mount -t proc none /target/proc" |
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| 17:09.09 | knoxy | where I can see if the debian testing detects the raid controller b110i?? |
| 17:09.10 | dachpappe | what does "none" mean? |
| 17:09.29 | dachpappe | i mean, i know what none means, but what does it do? |
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| 17:10.10 | justin | dachpappe: mount /target/proc |
| 17:10.19 | dachpappe | i am asking this because the ubuntu howto just says: sudo mount -t proc /proc /mnt/proc |
| 17:10.34 | justin | it doesn't matter |
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| 17:10.38 | dachpappe | ok |
| 17:10.55 | gnugr | jimcooncat: yes you can run the live CD/DVD if you've fixed with bios |
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| 17:14.03 | redax | somehow sysfsutils is the right tool to set things at /sys/* |
| 17:14.13 | redax | but how to use for sys/block/* :D |
| 17:14.41 | dachpappe | when i have a separate boot partition, do i only need to mount this partition for repairing grub? |
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| 17:15.12 | DammitJim | man, what is the default PATH on debian for a normal user? |
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| 17:16.02 | dachpappe | Jim: /home/[username] |
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| 17:16.22 | DammitJim | dachpappe, that's it? no /usr/sbin or anything like that? |
| 17:16.35 | thekix | The home directory is /home/user |
| 17:16.36 | dachpappe | usr is NOT user |
| 17:16.44 | DammitJim | cool! |
| 17:16.45 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 17:17.08 | themill | DammitJim: ignore dachpappe; he's answering a different quesiton entirely. |
| 17:17.16 | DammitJim | oh |
| 17:17.16 | DammitJim | lol |
| 17:17.28 | dachpappe | themill: am i? confused... |
| 17:18.57 | themill | DammitJim: «export PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games» will give you youre default PATH. But unless you've been overwriting system files and .bash{rc,_profile}, so would logging out and logging back in. |
| 17:19.15 | DammitJim | thanks themill |
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| 17:20.28 | thekix | dammitjim, take a look of /etC/skel/.* files and the /etc/profile |
| 17:20.37 | DammitJim | dammit... ls doesn't work anymore |
| 17:21.05 | thekix | the /etc/skel files are copied to the home user when you create it |
| 17:21.27 | dachpappe | ok, i understand that PATH != home directory |
| 17:21.47 | themill | !PATH |
| 17:21.48 | dpkg | PATH is the environment variable that tells the OS where to look for programs. It's defined in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile (for sh-like shells) or ~/.login for csh-like shells. http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/sect_07_02.html |
| 17:21.54 | jimcooncat | gnugr, no I still can't get it to work. I think my loop mount entry might be wrong |
| 17:22.00 | dachpappe | right |
| 17:22.00 | babilen | DammitJim: You can use absolute paths (but themill's export should get you going) |
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| 17:22.47 | DammitJim | weird |
| 17:23.20 | thekix | dammitjim, try this in a terminal: echo $HOME ; echo $PATH |
| 17:23.43 | DammitJim | yes? |
| 17:23.53 | DammitJim | it took |
| 17:23.58 | DammitJim | now why doesn't ls work anymore, though? |
| 17:24.20 | themill | DammitJim: "hash -r" |
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| 17:24.31 | DammitJim | what does that do? |
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| 17:24.52 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.01 | DammitJim | that worked |
| 17:25.02 | DammitJim | :D |
| 17:25.03 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 17:25.13 | themill | "help hash" for more info |
| 17:25.21 | jimcooncat | think I found my problem, "Debian live discs don't boot properly as .iso images using memdisc ISO emulation.' |
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| 17:26.32 | Lns | any grub2 experts willing to help someone try and get it going on a newly installed squeeze/amd64 with RAID1 configured? |
| 17:27.32 | Lns | I'm having a problem configuring it to boot correctly and I think it's because I'm just not familiar enough with it. |
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| 17:28.47 | dachpappe | i'm having problems mounting an encrypted partition form my installed system to /mnt on a knoppix live cd |
| 17:29.06 | dachpappe | i opened the encrypted partition without problems |
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| 17:29.29 | dachpappe | now it resides at /dev/mapper/partition |
| 17:29.57 | dachpappe | but when i do this: sudo mount /dev/mapper/partition /mnt |
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| 17:30.22 | dachpappe | i get the error: unknown filesystem type "LVM2_member" |
| 17:30.42 | tweek_ | dachpappe: mount -t FSTYPE /dev/mapper/partition /mnt ? |
| 17:31.10 | dachpappe | i guess that "partition" is actually a container |
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| 17:31.23 | tweek_ | i think you have to specify the filesystem type |
| 17:31.27 | dachpappe | because i also have my swappartition in the encrypted area |
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| 17:32.00 | dachpappe | ok |
| 17:32.05 | dachpappe | if you say that |
| 17:32.06 | tweek_ | dachpappe: oh, wait, is it lvm? |
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| 17:32.24 | dagni | hello |
| 17:32.29 | dagni | is debian good for desktop ? |
| 17:32.51 | dachpappe | dagni: it is not bad |
| 17:33.05 | dachpappe | tweek_: i get an error: wrong fs type |
| 17:33.10 | dagni | i've used ubuntu but i don't like it anymore, thinking to move to debian |
| 17:33.13 | dagni | ;P |
| 17:33.18 | dachpappe | but i am 100% sure that my root partition is ext3 |
| 17:33.31 | dachpappe | dagni: a good idea |
| 17:33.36 | tweek_ | dachpappe: i think you have an encrypted lvm, and the ext3 partitions are inside the volumes |
| 17:33.44 | dachpappe | right |
| 17:33.53 | tweek_ | try lvscan, what does it say? |
| 17:33.56 | justin | dachpappe: if you are trying to mount the lvm partition you are doing something very wrong |
| 17:34.15 | dachpappe | hm...i'm beginning to feel stupid :) |
| 17:34.19 | justin | you should be mounting the logical volume |
| 17:34.25 | dachpappe | yes |
| 17:34.37 | dachpappe | and not the container |
| 17:34.46 | tweek_ | dachpappe: you have to activate the logical volumes before you can access the partitions within |
| 17:34.54 | tweek_ | try 'sudo vgscan', what does it say? |
| 17:35.24 | dachpappe | the are, becaue i did cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda2 [name] |
| 17:35.47 | tweek_ | no, thats the crypto container, within that is the volume group, within that are your volumes |
| 17:36.12 | dachpappe | the volume group has been found by vgscan |
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| 17:36.36 | tweek_ | does it say it's ACTIVE? |
| 17:36.42 | dachpappe | nope |
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| 17:37.11 | romel | hi guys. I have firefox4 and java plugin issue. I installed sun-java6-plugin but the appropriate plugin isn't detected in the about:plugins :( |
| 17:37.27 | tweek_ | ok, do 'sudo vgchange -a y NAMEOFVOLUMEGROUP' to activate it |
| 17:37.38 | justin | romel: if you just downloaded firefox4 it has its own plugin directory |
| 17:37.40 | romel | i tried everything (creating symlinks and such, but with no luck) |
| 17:37.45 | dachpappe | "-a y" right? |
| 17:37.55 | tweek_ | yes |
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| 17:38.24 | tweek_ | the whitespace is intentional |
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| 17:38.34 | dachpappe | 3 logical volumes active |
| 17:38.59 | romel | justin: I created symlink pointing to /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so |
| 17:39.09 | romel | in the /opt/firefox directory |
| 17:39.11 | dachpappe | vgsacn again |
| 17:39.11 | tweek_ | ok, now they should be somewhere in /dev/mapper and can be mounted like 'mount -t ext3 /dev/mapper/something /mnt' |
| 17:39.25 | romel | /opt/firefox/plugins I mean |
| 17:39.28 | justin | romel: it's not a 32/64 bit issue is it? |
| 17:39.50 | dachpappe | ok, i'll try |
| 17:40.02 | romel | justin: yep, I am running 64 bit version of debian |
| 17:40.03 | tweek_ | dachpappe: look for something like /dev/mapper/volumegroup-volume |
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| 17:41.04 | dachpappe | works |
| 17:41.23 | romel | justin: so the problem is that firefox is 32-bit and installed plugin is 64-bit, right? |
| 17:41.30 | dachpappe | now chroot and then hopefully a nice grub fix |
| 17:41.31 | justin | romel: sounds about right |
| 17:41.35 | tweek_ | dachpappe: to clarify: your ext3 filesystems are inside logical volumes inside a volume group inside an encrypted container, so it's 3 steps you had to do |
| 17:41.41 | tweek_ | can you mount them? |
| 17:41.46 | dachpappe | i actually know that |
| 17:42.02 | tweek_ | ah ok, sorry :-) |
| 17:42.08 | dachpappe | it's just that the stuff is done automatically at boot normally |
| 17:42.19 | dachpappe | so, i am totally not used to doing it manually |
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| 17:42.33 | Vasistha | I'd like to run anacron on resume from suspend-to-ram sleep. What command shall I issue to run it? |
| 17:42.43 | dachpappe | thanks so far |
| 17:42.50 | yagoo | is there no manpage for hosts.allow on squeeze? |
| 17:42.56 | Leoneof | hello, is there are DVDs for non-free packages? |
| 17:42.57 | romel | justin: so there's no solution for this case? |
| 17:43.46 | justin | romel: download the 32bit java plugin |
| 17:44.00 | Vasistha | maybe just invoke-rc.d anacron ? |
| 17:44.26 | yagoo | http://linux.about.com/od/commands/l/blcmdl5_hostsal.htm << manpage missing on the new debian 6? tsk tsk.. |
| 17:44.30 | Vasistha | invoke-rc.d anacron start # year, that's what I need |
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| 17:46.09 | yagoo | is /etc/hosts.allow /etc/hosts.deny being deprecated? |
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| 17:46.39 | jordanm | no |
| 17:46.45 | Bus3rr0r | man pages work just fine |
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| 17:47.48 | jordanm | man 5 hosts_access |
| 17:48.29 | yagoo | i get output.. no manpage available.. this is a clean squeeze install |
| 17:48.45 | themill | you need the tcpd package installed. /msg dpkg apt-file; /msg dpkg installit |
| 17:48.45 | dachpappe | ok, things still problematic here: i have chrooted into /mnt on a knoppix live system to repair grub |
| 17:48.52 | yagoo | themill, thanks.. |
| 17:48.55 | dachpappe | i ran update-grub |
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| 17:49.26 | jordanm | dachpappe: you need to have proc mounted into the chroot and dev bind mounted into the chroot for update-grub to work properly inside of the chroot |
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| 17:49.40 | dachpappe | that worked, apart from the fact that cat complained about a file missing (/boot/grub/video.lst) |
| 17:49.46 | yagoo | themill, strange thing is that these two files already exists on the system without that package installeed.. |
| 17:50.00 | dachpappe | jordamn: i have that |
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| 17:50.51 | Zitter | hi, is there a netviewer (e-learning) clone for Debian? |
| 17:50.57 | dachpappe | then i ran grub-install, but probably on the wrong partition...don't know |
| 17:51.16 | dachpappe | the error i get is: no such disk |
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| 17:51.42 | dachpappe | i tried grub-install /dev/sda1 which is my boot partition |
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| 17:52.00 | snejk | witam |
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| 17:52.04 | jordanm | you probably want grub-install /dev/sda |
| 17:52.27 | dachpappe | ah, to the disk, not the partition, right? |
| 17:52.44 | dachpappe | but i have an ext2 boot partition and an ext3 root partition |
| 17:52.47 | jordanm | dachpappe: yes, and you can do that from outside of the chroot if you use --root-directory |
| 17:52.57 | jordanm | doesn't matter |
| 17:52.59 | dachpappe | ok |
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| 17:53.43 | badbyte | hi i need some on creating a multiboot usb stick, where i want to use normal installation CDs, where i can choose which distribution i want to install |
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| 17:53.49 | dachpappe | it fails to auto-detect the filesystem type of one of my root partition (a logical one in a volume group) |
| 17:55.03 | themill | yagoo: tcpd is an external wrapper daemon for programs that don't support tcpwrappers themselves. A standard squeeze install would actually install that package, btw. |
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| 17:56.20 | Vasistha | hmm, anacron does not seem to be running my cron.daily job I want it to :( |
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| 17:57.26 | Amnesia | hm |
| 17:57.43 | Amnesia | I want to compile my own version of mplayer and get it included in the dpkg database to handle dependencies |
| 17:57.47 | Amnesia | how could I do this? |
| 17:57.59 | jordanm | !nmg |
| 17:57.59 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
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| 17:58.08 | themill | dpkg: tell Amnesia about package recompile |
| 17:58.30 | jordanm | oh, I misread that as he was wanting to upload it to debian... |
| 17:58.50 | Amnesia | themill: thats with debians source packages |
| 17:59.43 | jordanm | Amnesia: then see the nmg if you want to create it from scratch. someone has already done much of the work though |
| 18:00.16 | themill | Amnesia: you'd be crazy not to make use of the debian packaging work that has already been done |
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| 18:00.50 | Amnesia | themill: does it contain the newest svn versions? |
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| 18:01.04 | themill | specifically what are you looking for? |
| 18:01.27 | Amnesia | I want to compile mplayer my self to add a patch to it |
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| 18:03.03 | themill | Amnesia: take the debian packaging (what dpkg just told you) and add your own source tarball. /msg dpkg uupdate. The maintainer's guide has more details. |
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| 18:03.24 | Amnesia | themill: okay thx :) |
| 18:03.30 | Amnesia | I'll give it a try |
| 18:03.50 | Vasistha | badbyte: I don't understand your question. Are you trying to install debian on a usb stick? |
| 18:03.50 | plm | people, what is Umask to group to be rw too? 022 not works |
| 18:04.29 | Vasistha | plm: 002 |
| 18:04.43 | wildc4rd | evenin all! |
| 18:04.53 | nork | plm, rw=6, so the middle one would be 1 |
| 18:05.17 | nork | if you want rwx, then the corresponding umask would be 0 |
| 18:05.33 | themill | err... no |
| 18:05.35 | Vasistha | nork: no, umask 0 is best. Files that should not be executable will not be. |
| 18:05.50 | nork | oh, my mistake |
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| 18:10.06 | karlpinc | How do I turn on viewports in sawfish? |
| 18:10.13 | dachpappe | ok, i am growing ever more desperate...grub-install is unable to dtermine the filesystem type of my root partition, i tried with the --recheck option. no change. |
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| 18:13.10 | Vasistha | dachpappe: looking at the history, I am guessing you have an encrypted root on lvm? |
| 18:13.44 | dachpappe | right, which is opened right now with luksOpen... |
| 18:14.06 | Vasistha | dachpappe: was it EVER working? |
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| 18:14.14 | dachpappe | actually, i have not an encrypted root on lvm, but a root on an encrypted lvm |
| 18:14.27 | Vasistha | right |
| 18:14.57 | Vasistha | dachpappe: anyway, have you EVER been able to boot to it? |
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| 18:15.08 | dachpappe | yes, i ounted it to /mnt |
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| 18:15.27 | Vasistha | dachpappe: that's not what I asked. Have you ever been able to BOOT to it? |
| 18:15.34 | dachpappe | yes, my system was working fine until i performed the upgrade this morning |
| 18:15.40 | Vasistha | eep |
| 18:15.51 | Vasistha | dachpappe: and I guess your grub config got wiped or something? |
| 18:16.11 | dachpappe | i think it is a bit broken. it is readable anyway |
| 18:16.42 | dachpappe | it ends stangely with an { and then nothing comes |
| 18:16.58 | Vasistha | what is "it" ? |
| 18:17.08 | dachpappe | grub.cfg |
| 18:17.41 | Vasistha | well, that's no good |
| 18:17.53 | dachpappe | i thought so |
| 18:18.06 | Vasistha | dachpappe: word to the wise: when you get it working, make a backup of grub.cfg -- come to think of it, you might look around and see if you already have one |
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| 18:18.41 | dachpappe | i do not quite understand |
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| 18:18.57 | Persson121 | Hello. Can i install debian with floppys and then on a USB-stick? |
| 18:19.00 | dachpappe | i think there is no backup of grub.cfg |
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| 18:19.25 | dachpappe | i was looking for it,something like grub.cfg.old in/boot/grub or so |
| 18:19.34 | yagoo | Persson121, you can probably bootstrap floppy->usbstick if your bios doesn't do directly usb boot |
| 18:20.18 | Persson121 | Yagoo: Nope, my BIOS cannot change to boot from USB. |
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| 18:20.41 | dagni | does someone know which mirror support debian 6.0.1a ? |
| 18:20.48 | yagoo | Persson121, there's some hints on here http://wiki.debian.org/BootingFromFloppyToUsb |
| 18:20.51 | dagni | i get "mirror doesnt support the specified release (squeeze) |
| 18:20.53 | dagni | " |
| 18:20.59 | dagni | when i choose german mirrors |
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| 18:21.16 | yagoo | here's another ..http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb |
| 18:21.16 | thekix | anyone is using enigmail with icedove in x64? |
| 18:21.21 | Persson121 | Yaggo. But can I install from USB, on a USB? I have 2 usb port. |
| 18:21.57 | yagoo | Persson121, if you have no working linux system.. i guess virtualbox or vmware box is the way to go for setting up the floppies and usb things |
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| 18:22.26 | yagoo | Persson121, you can.. but i don't know if there are already made kits for this.. so far i've seen guides to prepare the floppy and usb.. |
| 18:22.30 | thekix | persson121, do you have cd?? |
| 18:22.38 | redax | ...dont you know the name of that small utility which generates ascii banners using ttf fonts ? (like the old util banner) |
| 18:23.07 | Persson121 | yagoo. OK, i have Vbox :) So i will now download the boot-floppys, and debian iso. Put the debian iso on usb? |
| 18:23.15 | Persson121 | thekix: Nope, not just now. |
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| 18:23.40 | Persson121 | thekix, but i think I will buy some tomorrow. |
| 18:24.00 | thekix | take one from other computer, connect to the bus and install debian :-) |
| 18:24.07 | thekix | then, remove it |
| 18:24.23 | yagoo | !usb install |
| 18:24.23 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 18:24.31 | yagoo | interesting to see plop :) |
| 18:24.34 | Leoneof | is there are DVD for non-free packages? |
| 18:24.35 | thekix | about the bios, don't have any option more about usb? |
| 18:24.49 | Persson121 | Anyway! I will buy som CD and burn debian on in. Then install debian on a USB-stick? |
| 18:24.50 | thekix | like "enable usb legacy" or something like? |
| 18:25.13 | redax | naah. usb-boot not the legacy |
| 18:25.18 | yagoo | that's a second avenue with plop.. i dunno if plop is easy to use but seems to be.. |
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| 18:25.43 | thekix | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:25.53 | Vasistha | dachpappe: hmm, my grub.cfg notes "It is automatically generated by grub-mkconfig using templates from /etc/grub.d and settings from /etc/default/grub" -- so you may want to play with grub-mkconfig |
| 18:25.53 | thekix | take a look in other images |
| 18:26.29 | Vasistha | Persson121: that's a reasonable way to go, sure. The computer you're installing on, will it have internet access? |
| 18:27.10 | yagoo | Persson121, if you only need text based then you pretty much just need the netinst cd.. |
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| 18:27.24 | Persson121 | Vasistha: nope. The server computer will not have internetconnections when i install it. |
| 18:27.55 | Amnesia | hm |
| 18:28.03 | Vasistha | Persson121: if that's the case then you *might* want to burn CD1 (as opposed to the netinst CD) so that you can install whatever you need from cd1 |
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| 18:28.14 | Amnesia | I want to compile the latest svn version of mplayer |
| 18:28.24 | Amnesia | but I'd like to get the dependencies to be handled by dpkg |
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| 18:28.27 | Amnesia | what are my options? |
| 18:28.41 | Pihti | amnesia, I recommend you try this |
| 18:28.41 | Persson121 | Vasistha: Yes, i will burn debain to one CD, and then install it on the USB :D |
| 18:28.56 | Pihti | amnesia: run "apt-get build-dep mplayer" |
| 18:29.11 | Pihti | then download the mplayer latest svn |
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| 18:29.16 | Amnesia | Pihti: that isnt the latest svn version |
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| 18:29.32 | Pihti | Amnesia: it is not, but dpkg gets what is needed to build it |
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| 18:29.56 | Amnesia | Pihti: it's kinda a prerequiste that its the newest version:/ |
| 18:30.08 | Pihti | then just download the mplayer source and compile and install it under /usr/local/bin. Remove the debian version of mplayer. |
| 18:30.29 | Persson121 | Can i make debian take like 10-20 mb ram and few CPU MHZ's? |
| 18:30.34 | Amnesia | Pihti: yeah, but what about dependencies |
| 18:30.38 | Persson121 | I will run textbased. |
| 18:30.40 | Amnesia | would I have to remove them manually? |
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| 18:30.48 | Pihti | The svn version does not propably have necessary files to build a debian package, so that is easy. apt-get build-dep gets the dependencies. |
| 18:31.00 | Pihti | Amnesia: why bother removing them |
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| 18:31.10 | Pihti | because the svn version propably needs them |
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| 18:31.22 | Amnesia | hm |
| 18:31.38 | Amnesia | but it isnt possible to get the dependencies + the svn? |
| 18:31.53 | Pihti | it is possible, but it needs a lot of work. |
| 18:32.17 | Burx | Hello, My server is crashing which logs shall I check to find out the reason ? |
| 18:32.33 | Zitter | which vnc server is ease to use? |
| 18:32.35 | Pihti | Burx: /var/log/messages |
| 18:32.38 | Amnesia | ugh |
| 18:33.03 | Pihti | Amnesia: a unused library takes just disk space. It does not eat cpu power. |
| 18:33.05 | Amnesia | Pihti: so I guess I should install every dependency manually? |
| 18:33.10 | Amnesia | I know |
| 18:33.12 | Pihti | Amnesia: no. |
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| 18:33.19 | Amnesia | it's the installation of the libs:) |
| 18:33.30 | Amnesia | I've got the source of mplayer |
| 18:33.32 | Pihti | Amnesia: install the build-dep as I instructed. |
| 18:33.34 | Amnesia | and its easy to compile that |
| 18:33.39 | Amnesia | but it's about the libs |
| 18:33.41 | Amnesia | (not the headers) |
| 18:34.01 | Amnesia | but that'd download the debian sources of mplayer wouldnt it..? (an older version) |
| 18:34.03 | redax | it was somekind of tbanner or what.. not figlet |
| 18:34.08 | Pihti | if you get build dependencies, it also gets the libraries if they are missing |
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| 18:34.27 | Pihti | it does not get the mplayer source, it just installs what is needed to compile it |
| 18:34.43 | Amnesia | o0 |
| 18:34.59 | Amnesia | how does it know what the dependencies are for the source? |
| 18:35.13 | Burx | Mar 20 06:25:06 animeserv kernel: imklog 3.18.6, log source = /proc/kmsg started. |
| 18:35.13 | Burx | Mar 20 06:25:06 animeserv rsyslogd: [origin software="rsyslogd" swVersion="3.18.6" x-pid="2828" x-info="http://www.rsyslog.com"] restart |
| 18:35.22 | Burx | What the hell ? |
| 18:35.23 | Pihti | because there is also a mplayer with debian that is as a source. |
| 18:35.31 | yagoo | Persson121, try plop it has a feature "USB boot without BIOS support" ... |
| 18:35.39 | Persson121 | What is the system requirements for debian? Can I make debian takes 10-20 mb in RAM? |
| 18:35.48 | Amnesia | Pihti: so basically |
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| 18:35.55 | Pihti | The svn version of mplayer has mostly same dependencies as the debian version |
| 18:35.59 | Amnesia | Pihti: I cd into the svn dir |
| 18:36.01 | Persson121 | yagoo: But i want to install on the USB :P |
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| 18:36.11 | Amnesia | and use apt-get build-dep ? |
| 18:36.24 | yagoo | Persson121, down the floppy image of plop.. prepare the usb from a debian wiki or something.. |
| 18:36.25 | Seppoz | hello, please what could be the problem that non-root users cant use auto completion? |
| 18:36.26 | simonrvn | Burx: nothing to worry about. just syslogd restarting |
| 18:36.27 | Pihti | and when you compile, it makes a binary that is compatible with your system |
| 18:36.38 | Pihti | you do not need to be in the svn dir |
| 18:37.09 | yagoo | Seppoz, auto completion? what the hell do you mean? |
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| 18:37.13 | Amnesia | ah I get it |
| 18:37.14 | Amnesia | but ehm |
| 18:37.20 | Amnesia | that installs the build dependencies |
| 18:37.22 | Pihti | so the older libraries will work just fine with you |
| 18:37.27 | Amnesia | and what about the binaries dependencies? |
| 18:37.48 | DammitJim | dammit, why is there no support for bluetooth stereo on debian |
| 18:37.49 | Seppoz | yagoo [tab] |
| 18:38.02 | Pihti | Amnesia: i have always managed with build dependencies |
| 18:38.10 | yagoo | Seppoz, #linux |
| 18:38.20 | yagoo | Seppoz, you're asking a very odd broad |
| 18:38.21 | Amnesia | Pihti: build-dep will make me get to compile it succesfully |
| 18:38.23 | Pihti | and when you get the build dependencies, then you also see what binaries it loads |
| 18:38.24 | yagoo | oO |
| 18:38.33 | Amnesia | but running the binary after it compiled needs the libs right? |
| 18:38.41 | Amnesia | and build-dep only installs the headers? |
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| 18:39.09 | Pihti | If I remember correct, build-dep also takes the binaries, but I do not remember it exactly |
| 18:39.09 | Burx | I coudlnt find what causes that, do you want me to pastebin the logs ? |
| 18:39.21 | redax | sysvbanner... :) |
| 18:39.26 | Amnesia | Pihti: and how would I remove the headers? |
| 18:39.31 | Amnesia | after the compilation is done |
| 18:39.43 | Pihti | Amnesia: why would you do that |
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| 18:39.52 | Persson121 | yagoo: Ok, but i think i choose the CD install to USB. But i wonder if i can make Debain takes 10-20 mb in RAM and few MHZ in CPU. |
| 18:39.54 | Pihti | they do not take machine speed, just disk space |
| 18:40.00 | Amnesia | Pihti: why;d I need the headers when its already been compiled |
| 18:40.05 | Amnesia | yeah |
| 18:40.17 | themill | dpkg: tell Amnesia about mk-build-deps |
| 18:40.20 | Pihti | if you find out you did something wrong or update your mplayer, the headers are handy |
| 18:40.53 | twanny796 | er |
| 18:41.05 | Amnesia | themill: got any good tutorial on all this? |
| 18:41.17 | Amnesia | basically using a random source with dpkg |
| 18:41.19 | Persson121 | yagoo: ...i mean if it can have sama system requriments like windows 95. |
| 18:41.23 | yagoo | Persson121, i already told you.. download the netinst cd.. it does text only |
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| 18:41.37 | themill | Amnesia: tutorials aren't good for this -- you need to learn what you're doing. /msg dpkg nmg. |
| 18:41.48 | Persson121 | yagoo: But i dont have internet on the computer right now. |
| 18:42.09 | yagoo | Persson121, so.. nothing i can do to help you .. |
| 18:42.20 | Amnesia | hm thx |
| 18:42.25 | Amnesia | but it is possible right themill ? |
| 18:42.27 | yagoo | oO "<Persson121> yagoo: But i dont have internet on the computer right now." |
| 18:42.51 | yagoo | of course not.. you dont have anything onit |
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| 18:44.00 | Persson121 | yagoo: Yes, i don't have acces to internet to the computer. Not right now. But if debian can have like same system requriments like DSL in RAM and CPU, I will take Debian. |
| 18:44.05 | Persson121 | use* |
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| 18:51.08 | bolt | Persson121: with a base install, you'll at least be pretty damn close |
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| 18:51.46 | Persson121 | bolt: I will be happy if its like 20 mb ram :) |
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| 18:53.05 | Persson121 | bolt: But the debain system req sad "You must have at least 12MB of memory and 110MB of hard disk space. For a minimal console-based system (all standard packages), 250MB is required." Is that mean that i need at least 12 mb RAM? http://www.debian.org/releases/3.0/i386/ch-hardware-req.en.html |
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| 18:54.54 | thewanderer1 | I've managed to run Debian on 32MB of RAM, never tested less |
| 18:55.03 | ansgar | Persson121: Debian 3.0 is not really current... |
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| 18:55.18 | thewanderer1 | Lenny installs fine on 32MB, Squeeze might not |
| 18:55.34 | deathzor | hey guys small question how do i add a module to the debian initramfs ? |
| 18:55.47 | Persson121 | thewanderer1: But will it be stronger and more stable then Windows 98 SE? |
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| 18:55.59 | thewanderer1 | Persson121: oh, that for sure... |
| 18:56.17 | Persson121 | fo sho! I was close to use MS-dos like server :D |
| 18:56.26 | Persson121 | server os* |
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| 18:56.40 | thewanderer1 | you can upgrade to Squeeze later after install, I guess... just get enough swap space |
| 18:56.51 | Leoneof | i did install Lenny on pentium1 cpu 233, ram 32mb, but without gui. |
| 18:57.14 | wolfric | what's "remote-desktop" package program called? |
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| 18:57.27 | Amnesia | ugh ffs |
| 18:57.27 | ansgar | I would no longer use such computers. You can probably get faster computers for free now. |
| 18:57.37 | Persson121 | thewanderer1: Can i choose how much programs i want to install when i install Debain on the USB-stick? I want it to take less RAM. |
| 18:57.41 | Amnesia | I seriously dunno what to do |
| 18:57.53 | wolfric | or "remote desktop" a vnc client. That's what it's referred to in the software center however there's no program starting with "remote" |
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| 18:58.06 | Amnesia | what'd you do when you folks wanted to compile mplayers svn from source and use dpkg |
| 18:58.32 | Thermi | wolfric x11vnc? |
| 18:58.33 | Thermi | and |
| 18:58.35 | Thermi | ssvnc ? |
| 18:58.48 | thewanderer1 | Persson121: you can choose what programs you install. are you installing onto an USB stick? |
| 18:58.49 | Thermi | google that |
| 18:58.53 | Thermi | that might be your answer :p |
| 18:58.58 | thewanderer1 | (as opposed to "from" USB stick) |
| 18:59.09 | themill | Amnesia: we do the things we've told you about... |
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| 18:59.16 | Persson121 | thewanderer1: Yes, i will burn debian on a CD, then install it on a USB stick. |
| 18:59.19 | Amnesia | themill: tbh I dunno where to start:/ |
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| 18:59.41 | Amnesia | build-dep isnt an options since those headers and libs cant be removed |
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| 19:00.32 | thewanderer1 | Persson121: ok, just make sure you have enough space (512MB is ok for a very basic install, for servers you normally want 1GB or more) and then do some post-install tweaks so that the flash memory doesn't wear off too fast. I used to run Debian on a bunch of CF cards, it's fine. |
| 19:01.02 | frikinz | or install it on a harddisk, tweak and move to the CF |
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| 19:01.14 | frikinz | + grub and stuffs |
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| 19:01.24 | Persson121 | thewanderer1: I have 16 GB USB stick. Found it on the ground :D My HDD on the old computer is 2 gb only, and it's in a bad shape. |
| 19:01.35 | thewanderer1 | yeah, go for the stick then |
| 19:01.38 | Persson121 | annoying sound it makes when it's on. |
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| 19:02.02 | simonrvn | definitely go for the stick |
| 19:03.07 | thewanderer1 | well, can that computer boot off USB? and sustain read speeds in the order of 10MB/s? :P |
| 19:03.12 | enterneo | is it possible to forward X11 over two ssh sessions? |
| 19:03.15 | Persson121 | Is debian the stablest linux in the world? |
| 19:04.01 | Persson121 | I'd heard that debian is very very very and very very good as a server. |
| 19:04.02 | zgedneil | maybe if you turn the computer off |
| 19:04.20 | jhutchins_lt | Persson121: It's very good. |
| 19:04.27 | simonrvn | zgedneil: that's true of any computer :P |
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| 19:04.35 | zgedneil | well there you go then |
| 19:05.07 | jhutchins_lt | Persson121: Debian takes a different approach to development and release than most others. |
| 19:05.35 | zgedneil | I'd say that stable Debian is one of the more stable Linux distros, at least |
| 19:06.18 | Persson121 | ok, i understand. Well that's good. |
| 19:06.24 | thewanderer1 | works for me... had uptimes of 200 days, I often have 30 days' uptime at home as well |
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| 19:06.26 | AthomIk | sure stable is stable :) |
| 19:06.37 | Persson121 | Table xD |
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| 19:07.16 | EmilioTucci | Hi all |
| 19:07.22 | thewanderer1 | "With so much horse power inside, Stable just can't fail!" |
| 19:07.34 | Persson121 | In sweden, linux is very popular. But the schools is catch by MS. |
| 19:07.38 | jhutchins_lt | Then again I ran an NT4/Exchange server with no unplanned outages other than power loss for at least five years. |
| 19:07.52 | Persson121 | So the schools have always windows. :P |
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| 19:08.10 | EmilioTucci | trying to use WGET to upload a file to a remote hosting but I get the following error: Connecting to 174.X.X.X:21... connectedConnection failed (Too many connections (8) from this IP) |
| 19:08.11 | EmilioTucci | Waiting 10 seconds... Receive-Error: read() failed. Read '' so far. (errno: Operation now in progress (115)) |
| 19:08.19 | EmilioTucci | This is the line I am using to use wget: |
| 19:08.40 | EmilioTucci | SORRY, I meant *WPUT* |
| 19:08.44 | Thermi | hehe |
| 19:08.46 | Thermi | just wanted to write :D |
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| 19:09.04 | Thermi | EmilioTucci: I think this is a serverside error |
| 19:09.07 | EmilioTucci | wput /tmp/news883104.html ftp://user:password@www.site.com/public_html/fileadmin/remotehtml/news883104.html |
| 19:09.09 | justin | EmilioTucci: read the message |
| 19:09.17 | justin | EmilioTucci: Connection failed (Too many connections (8) from this IP) |
| 19:09.25 | Thermi | you need to close one connection |
| 19:09.33 | EmilioTucci | but which connections? |
| 19:09.34 | Thermi | perhaps it doesn't allow 2 at a time from one ip |
| 19:09.39 | Thermi | browser? |
| 19:09.48 | EmilioTucci | that is HostGator |
| 19:09.51 | Thermi | idk what you have running :D |
| 19:10.23 | EmilioTucci | I'm uploading an html file into a HostGator Typo3 server |
| 19:10.38 | EmilioTucci | as far as I know the only connection I have is the WPUT, |
| 19:10.39 | Persson121 | Here i found it! The Minimum system requirments is 64 mb ram if a run Debian Textbased. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en#id321935 |
| 19:10.39 | justin | EmilioTucci: you need to talk to hostgator |
| 19:11.10 | EmilioTucci | so this means that only 1 user can access our FTP at hostgator at the same time? |
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| 19:11.42 | Thermi | perhaps there is a programm running in the background, having a connection open to Hostgator |
| 19:11.43 | Thermi | idk |
| 19:11.45 | Thermi | :D |
| 19:11.54 | EmilioTucci | mmm |
| 19:12.07 | EmilioTucci | so it should be a FTP connection or ANY type of connection? |
| 19:12.14 | Thermi | Any |
| 19:12.17 | Thermi | i think |
| 19:12.18 | EmilioTucci | ahhh |
| 19:12.19 | justin | EmilioTucci: you need to talk to hostgator |
| 19:12.20 | EmilioTucci | ok |
| 19:12.38 | thewanderer1 | Persson121: actually, these requirements are more or less true for installing (48MB should suffice for Squeeze install, though), but to run Debian, you can get away with less |
| 19:12.41 | EmilioTucci | I have 4 scripts connecting each 2 minutes to the sql db chekcing if new information to donwload it to a local machine.. |
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| 19:12.52 | Thermi | ... |
| 19:12.56 | _stefanos_ | Good evening everyone. After I switched from squeeze to wheezy, apache does not work. I have checked apache's log files and didn't find anything. where else shall i look? |
| 19:12.57 | thewanderer1 | Persson121: installing is harder because you usually don't have swap space set and that limits your memory |
| 19:13.02 | EmilioTucci | could be that the reason? |
| 19:13.06 | Thermi | yup |
| 19:13.10 | Thermi | that might be the reason |
| 19:13.14 | EmilioTucci | lol, but they are 4 not 8 |
| 19:13.17 | justin | !+doesn't work |
| 19:13.17 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 19:13.21 | Leoneof | Persson121: i've tried with Lenny only, it did run with 32mb of RAM, but without gui. |
| 19:13.32 | thewanderer1 | ^ same here |
| 19:13.38 | Persson121 | Do i dont have swap thewanderer1? |
| 19:13.38 | Thermi | EmilioTucci: 4 nor 8 what? |
| 19:13.40 | Thermi | connections? |
| 19:13.49 | EmilioTucci | I mean, they are 4 scripts not 8 |
| 19:13.55 | Thermi | ah ok :p |
| 19:13.57 | thewanderer1 | Persson121: swap might be painful on a pendrive... how much physical RAM have you got? |
| 19:13.57 | Thermi | so |
| 19:13.59 | Thermi | stop them? :p |
| 19:14.03 | Persson121 | Leoneof: Ok, does it work well? |
| 19:14.03 | EmilioTucci | I can't |
| 19:14.07 | EmilioTucci | they must run |
| 19:14.12 | Thermi | then |
| 19:14.14 | justin | EmilioTucci: you need to talk to hostgator |
| 19:14.18 | Thermi | use a proxy or whatever :p |
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| 19:14.28 | EmilioTucci | justin, but to ask what? more connections? |
| 19:14.32 | Persson121 | thewanderer1: 160 mb ram and 16 gb on the USB-stick. |
| 19:14.33 | Thermi | yes. |
| 19:14.33 | justin | Thermi: stop this nonsense. he needs to talk to his hosting company |
| 19:14.43 | justin | EmilioTucci: i have no clue, but your error has absolutely nothing to do with debian |
| 19:14.51 | Thermi | justin: ok :< |
| 19:14.57 | _stefanos_ | justin: if you were referring to me, i tried to restart the service, and reported only "restarted web server: apache2" |
| 19:14.59 | _stefanos_ | that's all. |
| 19:14.59 | EmilioTucci | justin, ok man, take it easy... |
| 19:15.17 | AthomIk | X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. where i can authorized my user to start another X, via gnome terminal ? |
| 19:15.26 | EmilioTucci | Thermi, thanks a lot for your help |
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| 19:15.33 | Thermi | no problem |
| 19:15.35 | Thermi | any time |
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| 19:15.57 | justin | _stefanos_: /var/log/apache*/error.log ? |
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| 19:16.17 | _stefanos_ | only PHP warnings |
| 19:16.18 | Leoneof | Persson121: well, haven't tested much :) |
| 19:16.23 | _stefanos_ | should i be concerned? |
| 19:16.24 | thewanderer1 | Persson121: huh! 160 is plenty! |
| 19:17.31 | thewanderer1 | Persson121: you could turn on swap on the stick, but it does degrade some Flash sectors, so do some research before you set out to use more memory than the RAM... also, you could put some other devices to make up for RAM shortages. having said that, I run my personal server on 128MB and I'm fine. |
| 19:17.31 | justin | _stefanos_: what makes you think apache is not working? |
| 19:17.33 | Persson121 | thewanderer1: But the python script i will run will read over 200 pages at every 30:e seconds. |
| 19:17.51 | thewanderer1 | Persson121: optimise :) |
| 19:17.54 | _stefanos_ | i have dokuwiki installed locally and does not open from iceweasel |
| 19:18.06 | _stefanos_ | before switching was working just fine |
| 19:18.07 | thewanderer1 | Persson121: if it ever breaks, then you worry |
| 19:18.45 | Persson121 | Do you think my computer gonna make it? |
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| 19:19.52 | thewanderer1 | sure, the worst part is probably going to be the install (pendrives are slow at this), but generally it's not a bad piece of hardware - no reason it shouldn't work |
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| 19:20.25 | ompaul | thewanderer1: when was the last time you did an install from a usb stick? |
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| 19:20.41 | ompaul | they are faster than most things I can think of |
| 19:20.48 | justin | _stefanos_: does not open? |
| 19:20.58 | _stefanos_ | nope |
| 19:21.01 | thewanderer1 | ompaul: from, or to? we're speaking about installing TO an USB stick, and I usually find it slow. it was last month. |
| 19:21.50 | ompaul | thewanderer1: ahh not that bad unless you try to install the world ;-) |
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| 19:22.32 | ompaul | thewanderer1: best wget and checksum the iso first |
| 19:23.15 | thewanderer1 | I know, sure |
| 19:24.16 | faolchu-aonair | hi, just a quick question, I'm fairly new to debian, been running squeeze for about 2 months, couple of days back after 40 updates I got message to reboot, after which I had to reinstall propitiatory nvidia drivers, I was wondering what I have to edit in /etc/apt/sources.list to avoid the need for reboots in future http://pastebin.com/1tZ0nKt3 |
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| 19:25.01 | justin | faolchu-aonair: your question makes zero sense |
| 19:25.04 | thewanderer1 | faolchu-aonair: reboots are needed when kernel updates are issued so that you don't end up with a buggy kernel, you shouldn't avoid that duty |
| 19:25.08 | catsup | faolchu-aonair: just put your kernel image on hold |
| 19:25.17 | catsup | faolchu-aonair: although it's better to listne to thewanderer1 |
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| 19:25.35 | faolchu-aonair | ok thanks |
| 19:25.38 | pbn | Hi, in Debian 5.0 aplay was a command-line program. Now on Debian 6.0, I did apt-file search aplay and found it was in the alsa-utils package so I installed the alsa-utils package. Now, aplay is a GUI program... I would like aplay to be a command-line program, how can I achieve that ? |
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| 19:25.57 | _stefanos_ | justin: i have checked for possible errors but cannot find anything...can you suggest anything else? |
| 19:26.01 | catsup | pbn: try 'DISPLAY= aplay' ? |
| 19:26.09 | justin | _stefanos_: can you stop saying "doesn't work" ? |
| 19:26.14 | pbn | catsup: uhh ? ok... |
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| 19:26.40 | _stefanos_ | justin: i haven't said "not working" |
| 19:26.45 | _stefanos_ | doesn't work |
| 19:26.48 | _stefanos_ | whatsoever |
| 19:26.49 | justin | _stefanos_: 15:17 < _stefanos_> i have dokuwiki installed locally and does not open from iceweasel |
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| 19:27.08 | justin | pbn: what does this aplay gui look like? |
| 19:27.11 | _stefanos_ | and...where is exactly the "does not work"? |
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| 19:27.32 | justin | _stefanos_: good luck. |
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| 19:27.38 | catsup | _stefanos_: you should say, "i put http://localhost/ into the url bar in iceweasel, but iceweasel said [...] instead of displaying dokuwiki like i expected" |
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| 19:27.48 | thewanderer1 | pbn: on my system, aplay doesn't link to any X libraries. you've screwed something up :P |
| 19:28.30 | catsup | there are varoius alsaplayer-* packages |
| 19:28.46 | catsup | alsaplayer-text alsaplayer-xosd alsaplayer-gtk |
| 19:28.48 | pbn | thewanderer1: yeah well, it's a Debian 6.0 fresh install :) |
| 19:28.53 | pbn | catsup: aaaah |
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| 19:29.05 | catsup | pbn: if you run 'DISPLAY= aplay' that will trick aplay into thinking you aren't in X |
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| 19:30.03 | thewanderer1 | strange, I never noticed them... they must be some alternatives (in the Debian meaning) to normal aplay from alsa-utils |
| 19:30.05 | pbn | okay just did aptitude purge alsaplayer-gtk it seems to be the solution :) |
| 19:30.10 | pbn | catsup: thanks :) |
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| 19:31.09 | justin | thewanderer1: it's not an alternative, alsaplayer-gtk basically just installs /usr/lib/alsaplayer/interface/libgtk2_interface.so |
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| 19:32.01 | dannyLopez68 | install kde-i18n-es k3b-i18n con esos paquetes dejo kde en español o solo necesito 1? |
| 19:32.26 | justin | !+es |
| 19:32.27 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 19:33.09 | thewanderer1 | justin: hmm, ok, although /usr/bin/aplay still doesn't do that... whereas alsaplayer does what I think it does :P |
| 19:33.31 | dannyLopez68 | sorry xD |
| 19:33.48 | dannyLopez68 | bye |
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| 19:33.53 | justin | thewanderer1: yeah, maybe he was running alsaplayer and not aplay? i dunno |
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| 19:35.09 | DammitJim | am I going to the wrong repo? I'm getting Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_wheezy_main_source_Sources Hash Sum mismatch when apt-get update |
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| 19:39.30 | Big_Brother | where would i get the DVDs for Squeeze? |
| 19:39.38 | frikinz | DammitJim: and if you try again? |
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| 19:40.12 | DammitJim | still... maybe my hash is messed up? |
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| 19:40.22 | wolfric | does testing have a different system for sources.list? http://pastebin.com/eEGEcGYk |
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| 19:40.37 | wolfric | i seem to get errors of things not being available since i upgraded to wheezy |
| 19:41.04 | justin | !+wheezy-updates |
| 19:41.11 | justin | hmm |
| 19:41.19 | justin | ah |
| 19:41.22 | justin | !+squeeze-updates |
| 19:41.22 | dpkg | The Debian <Volatile> archive is discontinued starting from Debian 6.0, replaced by the squeeze-updates suite on official mirrors. Your squeeze sources.list could have "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free". http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110215 http://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <squeeze/updates>, ask me about <security>. |
| 19:41.39 | justin | wolfric: that applies to wheezy also |
| 19:41.49 | DammitJim | what's that about, justin ? |
| 19:41.52 | wolfric | justin: i don't have volatile... |
| 19:42.04 | justin | oh, hmm |
| 19:42.16 | justin | oh, does wheezy even have a wheezy-updates? it might not |
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| 19:42.26 | frikinz | there's only wheezy-proposed-updates in http://ftp.ie.debian.org |
| 19:42.40 | Ecco | Hi guys |
| 19:43.09 | frikinz | justin: looks like not |
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| 19:43.29 | Ecco | I've a 2.20 load average on a Debian machine |
| 19:43.43 | Pihti | ecco, what are you running there |
| 19:43.46 | Ecco | Thing is, it uses 0%CPU and has tons of free RAM |
| 19:43.58 | Ecco | Also, iostat and iotop says alll hard drives are idle |
| 19:44.16 | frikinz | DammitJim: I dunno. you could also just rm /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/* |
| 19:44.16 | justin | Ecco: processes stuck in the D state? |
| 19:44.19 | Ecco | (and the machine hasn't anything special set up) |
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| 19:44.25 | Ecco | (it's pretty much a plain vanilla install) |
| 19:44.27 | frikinz | DammitJim: and redo the update |
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| 19:44.41 | Ecco | justin : how could I check that ? |
| 19:45.31 | sephii | Seems like I can't install halevt in testing any idea why ? Error message here : http://pastebin.com/W7xvdDwr |
| 19:45.32 | justin | Ecco: ps x |
| 19:45.39 | DammitJim | weird... it just suddenly worked |
| 19:45.42 | Ecco | thanks |
| 19:45.44 | justin | er, ps ax |
| 19:45.59 | justin | ps ax | grep D will get you most of the way there |
| 19:46.05 | justin | not sure if ps lets you filter by state, never tried |
| 19:46.14 | Ecco | Wel, none |
| 19:46.22 | Ecco | They're all S or Ssomething |
| 19:46.38 | xk | Z state? |
| 19:47.05 | Ecco | Nope. All I have is S, Ss or Ss+ |
| 19:47.11 | xk | whats your load average now? |
| 19:47.12 | sephii | Nevermind, it's already been reported |
| 19:47.29 | xk | are you looking at the 1min, 5min or 15min number? |
| 19:47.36 | Ecco | load average: 2.63, 2.43, 2.30 |
| 19:47.47 | Ecco | It's a 4 processor PPC64 machine |
| 19:48.04 | xk | and top shows absolutely nothing? |
| 19:48.17 | Ecco | at all :'( |
| 19:48.24 | xk | run dstat |
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| 19:49.19 | Ecco | I'm using an Ext4 root partition |
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| 19:51.45 | Ecco | Here's dstat output : http://pastie.org/1701071 |
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| 19:55.00 | Ecco | Hmm, got to go |
| 19:55.01 | Ecco | See ya |
| 19:55.24 | _3st_ | http://hirnblaehung.de.vu/ |
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| 19:58.34 | psusi | what is the procedure for requesting that an obsolete and orphaned package be removed? is there a technical board or something that can be made aware of it, since there is no maintainer to process the drop bug report? |
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| 19:59.19 | dondelelcaro | psusi: you file a request for removal against the f.d.o pseudopackage. The developers reference covers that |
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| 20:01.25 | psusi | dondelelcaro: you mean the debian policy manual? or something else? |
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| 20:03.37 | psusi | nevermind, found it |
| 20:04.01 | dondelelcaro | psusi: |
| 20:04.02 | dondelelcaro | http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/pkgs.html#archive-manip |
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| 20:05.08 | psusi | should I reassign the existing bug I filed against the package or file a new one? |
| 20:05.09 | saras | i need help with get a exp. package to install |
| 20:05.27 | dondelelcaro | psusi: depends what the existing bug is. what package are we talking about here? |
| 20:05.33 | psusi | can I even reassign? hrm... |
| 20:05.40 | psusi | dondelelcaro: powernowd |
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| 20:06.58 | psusi | ahh, it says it should be discussed on debian-qa... |
| 20:07.21 | dondelelcaro | yeah, in this case it looks like it has had a near-qa upload... |
| 20:07.40 | dondelelcaro | saras: best to just ask your question |
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| 20:08.12 | saras | need help getting digikam 1.9.0 to intall |
| 20:08.19 | saras | install |
| 20:08.24 | psusi | dondelelcaro: what's that mean? |
| 20:08.50 | dondelelcaro | psusi: the most recent upload was an NMU by a DD who does a lot of work in QA |
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| 20:09.20 | dondelelcaro | saras: what about it? generally speaking, if you need help here to install packages from experimental, you probably shouldn't be using them |
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| 20:10.11 | saras | depiancy |
| 20:11.06 | saras | if you are going to be around i will be back try to get this to work |
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| 20:15.57 | zitter | hi, does vncserver interacts only with X and also with audio? i mean, if i play sound on server can I hear on client? |
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| 20:20.12 | frikinz | zitter: no |
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| 20:21.02 | zitter | so is it unusable for (example) online conference, e-learning and so on, right? |
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| 20:21.50 | zitter | i mean: elearning *with audio* :) |
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| 20:23.16 | Bushmills | zitter: there are sound daemons and outputs you can use in addition. esound, nas, rplay, and others, allowing you to output to a virtual sound device which is then forwarded over the network to a remote listener. |
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| 20:23.24 | frikinz | zitter: vnc does not transport sound so you'd need something in parallel for handling sound |
| 20:23.33 | frikinz | isn't pulseaudio supposed to do this? |
| 20:23.42 | Bushmills | probably as well, yes |
| 20:23.43 | saras | digikam: |
| 20:23.44 | saras | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.44 | saras | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.44 | saras | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.44 | saras | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:23.58 | superstraw | heh |
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| 20:24.57 | zitter | the problem is that i want a client using an html5 web page |
| 20:25.03 | zitter | so i think it is impossible |
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| 20:25.14 | saras | sorry |
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| 20:25.45 | Bushmills | saras, you must paste those lines much quicker, so the bot only notices when it's too late. |
| 20:25.53 | saras | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.53 | saras | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.53 | saras | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.09 | saras | i know you have any idea how to fix this |
| 20:26.15 | ansgar | saras: experimental is unsupported here and may have uninstallable dependencies anyway. |
| 20:27.47 | Bushmills | saras: you try/tried to install a package which depends on packages which are not in stable/testing |
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| 20:28.12 | Bushmills | easiest fix is to purge that offending package |
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| 20:28.29 | saras | i try to install a package form the experimetal |
| 20:28.36 | Bushmills | well, good luck then |
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| 20:29.10 | saras | where can i get help |
| 20:29.27 | Bushmills | try to pray |
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| 20:29.37 | Canar | any idea when firefox 4 will propagate out to wheezy? |
| 20:29.44 | frikinz | saras: time will help. the package is not ready yet |
| 20:29.54 | simonrvn | saras: if you don't know how, you shouldn't do it. you'll just break things. |
| 20:30.02 | simonrvn | Canar: never |
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| 20:30.22 | Bushmills | !firefox |
| 20:30.22 | dpkg | Mozilla Firefox is replaced by Iceweasel in Debian. Ask me about <iceweasel> and <why iceweasel>. |
| 20:30.35 | saras | i got to learn some day right |
| 20:30.40 | Canar | yes simonrvn |
| 20:30.50 | saras | and the bug in 1.2 are driveing me nut |
| 20:30.53 | saras | nuts |
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| 20:31.01 | simonrvn | saras: baby steps are better |
| 20:31.01 | Canar | i left the "via iceweasel" and so on out |
| 20:31.12 | Canar | the question still remains |
| 20:31.32 | saras | will the only two version in the repo are 1.2 or 1.9 |
| 20:31.35 | Bushmills | Canar: nobody knows - there is no preset date for it |
| 20:31.46 | simonrvn | WIR, like usual |
| 20:31.52 | Bushmills | !wir |
| 20:31.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
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| 20:32.41 | Bushmills | Canar: when will wheezy become stable? |
| 20:33.04 | ompaul | Bushmills: when it is ready |
| 20:33.14 | TMKCodes | Anyone know when GCC 4.6 will be available for debian squeeze? |
| 20:33.29 | Bushmills | !wir |
| 20:33.29 | dpkg | hmm... wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 20:33.47 | Bushmills | oh. never |
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| 20:33.54 | Bushmills | maybe backports |
| 20:34.14 | Bushmills | !backports |
| 20:34.14 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 20:34.40 | _stefanos_ | justin: the warnings are actually a critical conflict between php5-idn and php5-intl |
| 20:34.49 | ompaul | TMKCodes: you would break squeeze pretty rotten if you were to put it in there and try to compile anything for squeeze - you need consistent stuff but I could be adjusted on that |
| 20:34.55 | _stefanos_ | if i remove php5-idn i can get the version of php with "php --version" command, but it will complain about not finding /usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/idn.so dynamic link library. |
| 20:35.24 | justin | do you need that? |
| 20:35.32 | _stefanos_ | yeah for my dokuwiki |
| 20:35.33 | TMKCodes | ompaul, well i will have to wait then. :P |
| 20:35.43 | justin | do you need php5-intl? |
| 20:35.52 | _stefanos_ | yeah for dokuwiki as well |
| 20:36.22 | _stefanos_ | i never had this issue in squeeze though |
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| 20:37.07 | justin | _stefanos_: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-php-maint/2011-January/008339.html |
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| 20:37.29 | justin | next message there says "php5-idn should be dropped from the archive. I don't know of any application |
| 20:37.32 | justin | that uses any of the functions from idn that are not provided by intl." |
| 20:37.43 | justin | so it looks like no, you do not need both of those |
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| 20:39.45 | _stefanos_ | yeah i commented it out, but still it cannot find a file associated with it to load it in web browser |
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| 20:40.09 | _stefanos_ | File Type: application/x-httpd-php type" You have not application...blabla |
| 20:40.50 | Atamisk | can i ask a stupid question not *specifically* related to the Debian distro? |
| 20:41.10 | justin | _stefanos_: sounds like you do not have the apache php module installed |
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| 20:41.25 | _stefanos_ | i should reinstall it i guess |
| 20:41.32 | _stefanos_ | seems that is broken |
| 20:41.54 | Spec | Atamisk: you could probably ask. |
| 20:42.20 | Atamisk | thanks |
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| 20:42.59 | Cypeq | hey how much MB approx. netinst of debian 6 is after install ? |
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| 20:43.14 | Connor1 | http://www.boingboing.net/2009/11/12/mpaa-shuts-down-enti.html |
| 20:43.20 | Atamisk | all i was wondering is if there is a site that compares some of the common linux distros. I'm looking to perhaps move to another distro (from Ubuntu), and i want to "step up" as it were |
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| 20:44.50 | _stefanos_ | Atamisk: distrowatch.com |
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| 20:48.29 | tabakhase | hi could i make a cd out of a script that "happens to the user"? like goToHome.sh -> cd ~ |
| 20:49.24 | petemc | tabakhase: cd on its own will take you to your home dir |
| 20:50.00 | tabakhase | petemc suresure, i want to do it in a bash script that it happens to the shell of the user |
| 20:50.23 | tabakhase | cd /new/folder; echo "you are now in the new folder" |
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| 20:51.06 | petemc | tabakhase: why are you asking can you put that in a script? why not just try it? |
| 20:51.13 | Cypeq | sudo is an option ? |
| 20:51.18 | Cypeq | :S |
| 20:51.45 | tabakhase | petemc tryed, it changes the dir of the script, but no the pwd of the "executor" |
| 20:51.52 | catsup | tabakhase: it has to be a function within the shell or an alias |
| 20:52.17 | catsup | tabakhase: alternatively, you could define an interface for a subprocess to communicate with the shell, but it is very unlikely that you want to do this |
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| 20:52.36 | tabakhase | hm? |
| 20:52.48 | frikinz | tabakhase: . gotohome.sh and not ./gotohome.sh |
| 20:53.07 | frikinz | or you start a new subshell |
| 20:53.27 | catsup | tabakhase: e.g., this function: doc() { pushd /usr/share/doc/$1; } |
| 20:53.38 | catsup | erm, but cd instead of pushd |
| 20:53.45 | frikinz | I mean ./gotohome starts a new subshell so when it exits you're back while . script executes it in the current shell |
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| 20:54.25 | _stefanos_ | justin: i have installed the mod but still does not allow me to open a php file / websit |
| 20:54.25 | _stefanos_ | e |
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| 20:55.25 | justin | _stefanos_: what did you install? |
| 20:55.25 | justin | _stefanos_: you need to stop being so vague |
| 20:55.25 | _stefanos_ | ok found the issue. it was another missing module! |
| 20:55.44 | _stefanos_ | many modules were not installed |
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| 20:55.56 | Atamisk | _stefanos_: Thank you! this is very interesting reading... |
| 20:56.14 | Cypeq | hey how much MB approx. netinst of debian 6 is after install ? i am installing it on slowdevice and I must calculate installation time coz it has to finish today :S |
| 20:56.18 | _stefanos_ | mod-proxy-html was not installed and dokuwiki needs redirection module enabled |
| 20:56.19 | tabakhase | dosnt work |
| 20:56.19 | Cypeq | i rly need that info |
| 20:56.39 | _stefanos_ | Atamisk, anytime buddy |
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| 20:56.44 | Cypeq | i'm talking about raw installation |
| 20:56.48 | _stefanos_ | it's the website that opened my eyes |
| 20:56.51 | Cypeq | no packages added yet |
| 20:57.09 | Atamisk | yes, it seems to be pretty unbiased as well |
| 20:57.26 | tabakhase | pwd; ./test.sh; pwd test.sh: #!/... . testcd.sh testcd.sh: #!/... cd /tmp -> /root /root |
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| 20:58.19 | tabakhase | pwd; ./test.sh; pwd -i want do have> /root /tmp |
| 20:58.54 | frikinz | tabakhase: . test.sh |
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| 20:59.53 | tabakhase | frikinz when i do ". test.sh" on my shell it works, but when i do ". test.sh" inside of another script it dosnt |
| 21:01.47 | frikinz | it does in the script but not from what you see in your shell |
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| 21:02.46 | bolt | tabakhase: if you're sourcing a script in your script it will only affect that subshell |
| 21:02.58 | bolt | to make it affect your current shell, you have to source the script which sources the other one |
| 21:03.12 | tabakhase | bolt no way to brak this? |
| 21:03.15 | frikinz | until you hit an exit which will close your shell :) |
| 21:03.46 | frikinz | tabakhase: use a function |
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| 21:04.14 | tabakhase | reason: ive got some "gitautomatisation" in my /bin/bash, and a suporter who says "newimp NAME" shoul endup in the new folder that was created by the script |
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| 21:04.48 | catsup | tabakhase: put it in your .bashrc |
| 21:05.06 | tabakhase | catsup "it"? |
| 21:05.14 | catsup | tabakhase: the function that changes directory |
| 21:05.28 | bolt | tabakhase: no. the second you launch a script without the dot or "source" in front, you launch a subshell, which in normal cases can not affect the shell above it |
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| 21:06.02 | tabakhase | catsup and then call it from the inside of the shellcript? |
| 21:06.03 | catsup | you want to alter the behavior of the interactive shell. that kind of thing is done in .bashrc. you can't do it in a shell script, because that's an independent process. |
| 21:06.07 | catsup | lol, no |
| 21:06.19 | catsup | take the entire shell script, and put it in a function inside .bashrc, where it belongs |
| 21:06.32 | tabakhase | sound evil :D |
| 21:06.35 | catsup | no |
| 21:06.39 | catsup | that's what you're trying to do |
| 21:06.46 | frikinz | or use an env variable? |
| 21:07.00 | catsup | wtf are you going to do with an env variable |
| 21:07.30 | frikinz | DIR=/blah in bashrc and then the script does cd $DIR |
| 21:07.42 | _stefanos_ | Goodnight everyone. justin thanks a million buddy |
| 21:08.16 | catsup | frikinz: that makes no sense |
| 21:09.29 | tabakhase | only that seems to be what i want is when i "remove my files from /bin/ and put them as functions in my bashProfile" right? |
| 21:10.39 | catsup | yes, but in bashrc rather than profile |
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| 21:11.17 | Bushmills | tabakhase: "... inside of another script" call that another script with . anotherscript as well |
| 21:11.35 | tabakhase | and then the func. get called via ~# funcName args? |
| 21:11.35 | catsup | of course you can structure your scripts in various ways, but since you want to add functionality to the interactive shell, at least part of it has to involve shell functions |
| 21:12.00 | catsup | if you see what i mean |
| 21:12.10 | bolt | doesn't this textflood really belong in #bash ? |
| 21:12.24 | catsup | probably |
| 21:12.39 | catsup | although i don't think they put up with this nonsense in there :p |
| 21:12.44 | Bushmills | well, it applies to sh too |
| 21:12.52 | Bushmills | isn't bash specific |
| 21:12.54 | catsup | true |
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| 21:13.04 | bolt | hardly debian specific either though |
| 21:13.08 | frikinz | So now in debian .profile always sources .bashrc ? |
| 21:13.11 | catsup | anyway i'm off |
| 21:13.20 | tabakhase | thanks so far |
| 21:13.20 | catsup | good luck, tabakhase |
| 21:13.28 | tabakhase | ill give this a try tomorrow in the office |
| 21:13.56 | bolt | frikinz: by default, yes. but it only sources it if there's lines in .profile doing so |
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| 21:14.17 | bolt | frikinz: check /etc/skel if you're curious |
| 21:14.19 | frikinz | bolt: yes well.. there are there by default I guess skeleton. not from me |
| 21:14.41 | frikinz | so this changed |
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| 21:15.09 | frikinz | or was it always the case and my volatile memory is fooling me? |
| 21:15.34 | bolt | i can't recall it not being the case, though i don't pay much attention to my login script |
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| 21:22.35 | slie | how come i can only watch 2 flash videos at the same time? |
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| 21:23.20 | bolt | can't imagine that ever being a problem |
| 21:23.37 | slie | :) it is |
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| 21:23.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | heswatching them in stereo :p |
| 21:24.03 | slie | i think i can get 6 up on a dows machine |
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| 21:24.11 | babilen | slie: You mean you can't watch a single one or just not more than 2? |
| 21:24.19 | slie | More then two |
| 21:24.20 | bolt | slie: then you have to be a lot more specific. are you watching them in a browser? which one? which flash plugin? versions of it all? |
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| 21:24.53 | bolt | slie: also, what happens when you try to watch more? do the logs say anything if you start whatever you're watching it with from a console? looked for errors? give us them! :) |
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| 21:25.45 | slie | 64bit nonfree chromium browser |
| 21:26.11 | slie | Allright i'll try and get the errors from when the plug in crashes |
| 21:26.15 | hochron | when registering a domain name it asks for namesevers... cant I just enter my hostname?? how do you administer a domain? |
| 21:26.32 | envirocbr | hochron: You may just want to to use their Name Servers |
| 21:26.42 | hochron | I set up this debian box with apache |
| 21:26.51 | envirocbr | hochron: If you create and run your own name servers you are going to need a dedicated server with a dedicated IP address and then setup "glue" records |
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| 21:27.04 | envirocbr | hochron: Apache is NOT a DNS server my friend :) |
| 21:27.09 | hochron | so will they host it? |
| 21:27.22 | envirocbr | Most will provide DNS hosting, I don't know of very many that don't |
| 21:27.35 | envirocbr | Who are you registering it through |
| 21:27.36 | envirocbr | ? |
| 21:27.45 | hochron | godaddy.com |
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| 21:28.14 | dp_ | can anyone tell me why debian stops apache *before* unpacking its replacement? |
| 21:28.16 | catsup | hochron: you need 2 DNS servers. you can use ns2.afraid.org as your second DNS server, that is a free service, although you get what you pay for |
| 21:28.19 | dp_ | during upgrade that is |
| 21:28.28 | envirocbr | hochron: Yes, they will host them free of charge |
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| 21:28.42 | bolt | dp_: to avoid it crashing by suddenly loading a library you just replaced with an incompatible version |
| 21:28.46 | catsup | envirocbr: even if you don't have a hosting account there? |
| 21:28.55 | envirocbr | hochron: They aren't going to host the website, but they provide the DNS hosting for with the registration |
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| 21:29.10 | dp_ | bolt: hrm, ok |
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| 21:30.14 | hochron | ok, thanks envirocbr |
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| 21:35.20 | levi501d | wow dropped off a bit huh, would anyone be interested in helping out port https://github.com/shellscape/Gmail-Notifier-Plus ? |
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| 21:35.55 | zoik | hi all, I'm a little confused with apt on a new install I've just done. When I try do apt-get update it attempts to connect to the sources however it returns network unreachable, however I am connected and can ping the source by hostname and IP..........any ideas? |
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| 21:40.12 | ElDiabolo | zoik, Maybe its configured to use a proxy? |
| 21:40.28 | zoik | nope, no proxy setup either |
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| 21:43.59 | frikinz | levi501d: kde has a gmail notifier plasmoid iirc |
| 21:44.10 | levi501d | yeah |
| 21:44.38 | levi501d | its kinda not very good, or at least not as cool as this, i know the dev of the above repo, he's my coworker :) so i figured i'd give this a go |
| 21:44.57 | levi501d | i forked it and i'm gonna try to port it over with mono |
| 21:45.12 | levi501d | just thought i'd see if any other developers were interested |
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| 21:50.04 | ElDiabolo | zoik, is the http URL of the source reachable? |
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| 21:51.29 | Auriga | Hi, I just downloaded a .tar.tar I can't do anything with it in the cli, so I open it in the GUI, it tells me 'it doesn't look like a tar archive'. I then rename the .tar.tar to .tar, I get the same messagae. I then go to rename it back, but I type '.tar.atar' by accident & it now opens. Can someone explain this to me? |
| 21:52.04 | zoik | ElDiabolo: strangely, no........however I can connect to the source so it is up |
| 21:52.10 | MrFrood | magik? |
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| 21:53.05 | MrFrood | !tar |
| 21:53.05 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory", or goes with feathers |
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| 21:53.46 | mininessie | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ would the cd-1 iso be enough |
| 21:54.01 | ElDiabolo | zoik, apt-get does http (by default and can do ftp). So to apt-get its unreachable. |
| 21:54.30 | hochron | ok, I bought a domain name... it shows a tds message there... now, what do I do? |
| 21:54.47 | zoik | any ideas how to fix? I can ping so the host is there.........just cant talk via http |
| 21:54.49 | babilen | mininessie: For what? Tell us a bit about your needs and setup and we can give better suggestions. The CD1 is certainly enough for a standard installation of Debian, but so is the netinstall if you have a working wired connection during the installation. |
| 21:54.51 | Bushmills | hm. have a tea, maybe? |
| 21:55.04 | mininessie | is debian testing rolling release |
| 21:55.09 | Bushmills | nope |
| 21:55.20 | Bushmills | sry. "testing" ... yes |
| 21:55.21 | ElDiabolo | zoik, Use another host or try ftp |
| 21:55.34 | mininessie | babilen: i just want to get debian installed |
| 21:56.16 | mininessie | babilen: or do all the cds equal all the stuff in the debian repositories |
| 21:56.18 | ElDiabolo | mininessie, Did you consider netinstall? |
| 21:56.24 | babilen | mininessie: Use the netinstall if you have a working internet connection. You might want to get the images with firmware if your hardware needs that ; /msg dpkg firmware images |
| 21:56.41 | zoik | ElDiabolo: no joy on FTP either |
| 21:56.48 | babilen | mininessie: The CD and DVD sets in their entirety contain all packages in Debian main |
| 21:57.11 | mininessie | the netinstall is that a gui installer |
| 21:57.13 | ElDiabolo | zoik, Other mirror, or is it a special repository? |
| 21:57.23 | babilen | mininessie: Sorted by popularity |
| 21:57.26 | babilen | mininessie: yes |
| 21:57.28 | zoik | another mirror, both http and ftp |
| 21:57.36 | mininessie | k thanks |
| 21:57.36 | zoik | and different countries |
| 21:58.46 | ElDiabolo | zoik, Uh. Those are not reachable via http (browser or GET), too? |
| 21:58.52 | mininessie | how bleeding edge is debian testing i mean on the desktop enviroment side of things when gnome 3 comes out will it be on debian testing as soon as its stable for debian testing |
| 21:58.59 | zoik | correct |
| 21:59.28 | ElDiabolo | zoik, Maybe your ISP is a debian hater? |
| 21:59.29 | babilen | mininessie: Not necessarily, but generally speaking: yes |
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| 21:59.50 | zoik | im connected via a router->wireless->router->interwebs, I'm going to connect directly to the main router to see if there's a config issue on my network |
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| 21:59.57 | ElDiabolo | zoik, Somewhat running out of ideas ... |
| 22:00.17 | zoik | however there shouldnt be as the machine im talking on now can see it and is connected the same way...........just on Windows |
| 22:00.21 | babilen | zoik: wget/curl on the command line? "env|grep -i proxy" ? |
| 22:00.30 | mininessie | babilen: so basically is as close to bleeding edge without being bleeding edge |
| 22:00.35 | zoik | babilen: wget also fails |
| 22:00.54 | pandrew | how can i check when i installed debian? |
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| 22:01.51 | zoik | pandrew: sudo ls -l /root/install.log |
| 22:01.53 | Cozminsky | you might have a file left over from the install in root's home directory |
| 22:02.00 | babilen | mininessie: You might want to take a look at http://www.debian.org/releases/ and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
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| 22:02.08 | mininessie | can some give me the link to the netinstall of debian testing |
| 22:02.22 | Bushmills | there's also dpkg, aptitude and apt in /var/log |
| 22:02.23 | babilen | mininessie: /msg dpkg firmware image |
| 22:02.33 | pandrew | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.42 | pandrew | zoik: i don't have that file |
| 22:02.49 | Pihti | mininessie: why not first do a minimum install of standard debian and then upgrade it to testing? |
| 22:02.52 | Pihti | it is much easier |
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| 22:03.41 | frikinz | pandrew: tune2fs -l /dev/yourroot? |
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| 22:04.06 | frikinz | filesystem creation time |
| 22:04.18 | ElDiabolo | n8. |
| 22:05.20 | crc32 | is there some alternative to dh_install when building deb packages which instruct the package to install the file if it does not already exist on the system. Basically I'm trying to avoid the error message "dpkg: error processing pkg (--unpack): trying to overite some/file/path which is also in pakage someOtherPakage. |
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| 22:06.07 | mininessie | is the netinstaller a gui |
| 22:06.24 | babilen | mininessie: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (but it is very much recommended to install stable and upgrade afterwards) -- I wouldn't also recommend to run testing (aka wheezy) to people who don't know much about Debian as it *will* break and have (sometimed serious) bugs |
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| 22:06.57 | babilen | mininessie: All images come with a graphical installer |
| 22:07.16 | pandrew | frikinz: i have xfs, and it doesn't mention filesystem creation time, but that is also useless, because i have moved this installation over from a different harddrive before, so the filesystem was created only some time _after_ install |
| 22:07.31 | pandrew | also dpkg, apt, and aptitude logs go back only as far as to 2010 |
| 22:07.36 | pandrew | for wathever reason |
| 22:07.45 | pandrew | maybe they were deleted by logrotate |
| 22:08.58 | Bushmills | probably |
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| 22:10.00 | catsup | maybe the oldest mtime on the system will tell you something |
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| 22:17.04 | zoik | pandrew: ls -l /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 22:17.16 | allan_ | hi i have a problem after i upgraded i just com to a grub command line with no error msg. How do i do to boot up debian? |
| 22:19.02 | pandrew | zoik: that gets edited multiple times after install |
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| 22:19.12 | pandrew | anyway i found a file i remember creating at install |
| 22:19.26 | pandrew | but i'd still be interested in a general solution |
| 22:21.40 | showtime | i got the same problem, i guess its the xserver problem again |
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| 22:39.13 | jdrkobe | can somebody please tell me why Debian "lenny" installer keeps freezing at the very same point every time? At "Select and install software". And this happens whether I choose to use a network mirror or not. The image on the CD is not corrupted , I used numerous times before. |
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| 22:39.53 | Amnesia | I'm trying to compile |
| 22:39.55 | mojzo_pl | hello my friends, what can j do for u ? |
| 22:39.56 | Amnesia | but it fails on freefont |
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| 22:40.03 | Amnesia | the headers are installed |
| 22:40.05 | Amnesia | but I keep getting |
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| 22:40.17 | Amnesia | /usr/include/ft2build.h:56:39: error: freetype2/config/ftheader.h: No such file or directory |
| 22:40.29 | Bushmills | jdrkobe: the computer may feature some unusual devices |
| 22:40.30 | babilen | jdrkobe: Could you switch to a different console and check if it gives any errors or other interesting messages. Also: Why don't you install Squeeze? |
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| 22:41.01 | jdrkobe | Bushmills: I have installed debian lenny on this computer before |
| 22:41.16 | jdrkobe | babilen: I just want lenny |
| 22:41.24 | Bushmills | but you also used the CD "numerous" times before |
| 22:41.32 | mojzo_pl | \j got weard error, my sql deamon reseting while doing query, value i cell doing bufer over flow |
| 22:41.47 | jdrkobe | Bushmills: to install lenny on this and other computers |
| 22:42.04 | babilen | might be the 5% error, but lets wait if jdrkobe can give us some errors messages or other output |
| 22:42.05 | Bushmills | well, if you can't install lenny from that cd anymore, something must have changed |
| 22:42.31 | babilen | dpkg: 5% error |
| 22:42.32 | dpkg | [5% error] d-i stopping at 5%? Boot the installer with `linux debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true' or drop to a shell, chroot /target, kill the existing aptitude process and add the latest key, then run aptitude and install what you like. This can be caused by using an out-of-date installation media (which doesn't have the latest archive key), or if you hit a mirror that is incompletely updated. |
| 22:42.34 | jdrkobe | Bushmills: I tried squeeze and it installed perfectly.. I just dont know why debian keeps freezing |
| 22:43.01 | babilen | jdrkobe: Do you see any errors/messages? |
| 22:43.17 | jdrkobe | babilen: no, the installer is frozen |
| 22:44.04 | babilen | jdrkobe: Ah, you can't switch consoles? |
| 22:44.04 | mojzo_pl | j rename the table and fill recordscorrect data and its ok, just wana know sb havethat samerrror ,nicedayfolks |
| 22:44.12 | jdrkobe | babilen: no |
| 22:44.29 | jdrkobe | babilen: actually I can |
| 22:44.34 | Bushmills | jdrkobe: what is with the installation already on the computer - did that boot and run allright? |
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| 22:45.09 | babilen | jdrkobe: and can you see any errors or other (interesting) messages that might indicate what the problem is? |
| 22:46.15 | jdrkobe | babilen: something about untrusted packages and prompting me to enter YES if i want to continueon tty4 |
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| 22:46.43 | babilen | jdrkobe: So it is the 5% error. See above, dpkg mentioned how to handle that. |
| 22:47.00 | jdrkobe | babilen: ok |
| 22:47.16 | Spida | how can I create an audio CD from command line? |
| 22:47.26 | jdrkobe | babilen: Im sorry, how? |
| 22:47.35 | Spida | (what program should I use/what manpage should I read) |
| 22:47.48 | babilen | jdrkobe: Boot the installer with `linux debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true' |
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| 22:48.19 | jdrkobe | babilen: Thanks, do u have any idea why this started happening? |
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| 22:49.38 | Bushmills | marvels at jdrkobe's reading skills |
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| 22:50.32 | babilen | jdrkobe: yes, the key on the CD you have is outdated and the packages can therefore not be authenticated |
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| 22:50.58 | blast_hardcheese | Bushmills: How frustrating. |
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| 22:51.15 | jdrkobe | babilen: thank you |
| 22:51.41 | Black_Prince | Oh well, finally Iceweasel 4 stable is in mozilla.debian.net's squeeze backports |
| 22:51.43 | babilen | Spida: You can use wodim to burn audio CDs. Note that you have to convert them to .wav first. I would recommend using a GUI tool like brasero or k3b that also handles the conversion. |
| 22:52.23 | jhutchins_lt | CLI wodim is a little like chewing glass. |
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| 22:52.57 | blast_hardcheese | Question; When I click on a downloaded file in iceweasel or chromium, what controls choosing which programs to handle any given extension? I know usually this is handled by the desktop environment, but I don't use one |
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| 22:53.00 | Spida | babilen: gui is no option, as I want to burn wave-files from a script |
| 22:53.10 | Spida | but thx for the pointer to wodim |
| 22:53.58 | blast_hardcheese | I don't seem to have anything mapped to open PDFs, but I've got evince |
| 22:54.25 | babilen | Spida: cdrecord might also be worth a look but is not packaged in Debian due to, well, differences with the upstream author |
| 22:54.38 | Bushmills | blast_hardcheese: check out mozplugger, which handles a lot of those common associations for you |
| 22:54.54 | Connor1 | Hmm |
| 22:55.02 | Connor1 | Should I try Debian as my desktop operating system again? |
| 22:55.06 | blast_hardcheese | Bushmills: Rockin. Thanks |
| 22:55.06 | paxcoder | so now that FF4 is out, after de-branding by the Mozilla-dedicated Debian team, will it go unstable (given that it's stable from the Mozilla's view), or will it (and if so, for what reason) lag in experimental first? |
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| 22:55.34 | blast_hardcheese | Connor1: :\ |
| 22:55.38 | Connor1 | Hi |
| 22:55.42 | abrotman | Connor1: that's up to you .. it works fine for many of us |
| 22:55.46 | babilen | Spida: something like "wodim dev=/dev/REPLACE -v -audio 1.wav 2.wav ... N.wav" |
| 22:55.48 | Connor1 | The problem is I play computer games |
| 22:55.53 | Spida | can wodim write an audio-disc to an image-file? (is that possible for audio cds at all?) |
| 22:55.59 | abrotman | paxcoder: mozilla.debian.net .. have fun .. it may break your system |
| 22:56.07 | Connor1 | WoW runs just fine for me under Wine on Mint |
| 22:56.12 | abrotman | Spida: you want dd i think ? |
| 22:56.19 | babilen | ,versions iceweasel |
| 22:56.20 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-5~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-5; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-5; sid: 3.5.17-1; wheezy: 3.5.17-1; experimental: 4.0~rc2-2 |
| 22:56.22 | Connor1 | Although I don't know how games like Mirror's Edge, Amnesia, or Half Life 2 would run... |
| 22:56.23 | babilen | paxcoder: ^^^^^^ |
| 22:56.31 | Black_Prince | I installed iceweasel 4.0 from mozilla.debian.net ... and my system still isn't broken |
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| 22:56.40 | paxcoder | babilen, sorry? |
| 22:56.46 | Bushmills | Spida: check out cdparanoia |
| 22:56.57 | paxcoder | Black_Prince, which flavor do you use? |
| 22:56.59 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: You can write to CD-R drives with dd? I find that hard to believe |
| 22:57.04 | Black_Prince | squeeze |
| 22:57.13 | paxcoder | abrotman, do you know the answer to my question perhaps? |
| 22:57.16 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: your questoin he wants to copy from .. not to |
| 22:57.31 | babilen | paxcoder: As you can see in judd's message, iceweasel 4.0rc2 is already available in experimental |
| 22:57.32 | abrotman | paxcoder: it will get into unstable eventually, but probably experimental first |
| 22:57.33 | MrFrood | Connor1: try some Linux games; robotfindskitten can provide hours of fun ;) |
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| 22:57.39 | Spida | abrotman: can dd create audio cd images from a wave-file? |
| 22:57.39 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: My apologies, thought he was still trying to burn. Sorry about that. |
| 22:57.43 | paxcoder | babilen, i said "stable" |
| 22:57.48 | Connor1 | MrFrood that's not what I mean |
| 22:57.48 | paxcoder | rc = release candidate |
| 22:57.50 | themill | paxcoder: there was some discussion about this on the debian-devel mailing list a while back. Mozilla manages to not care about all the other packages that are using xulrunner; debian needs to do that. |
| 22:57.52 | abrotman | Spida: that's not what you asked originally |
| 22:58.23 | Spida | abrotman: 23:47:16 < Spida> how can I create an audio CD from command line? 23:55:52 < Spida> can wodim write an audio-disc to an image-file? (is that possible for audio cds at all?) |
| 22:58.31 | catsup | Connor1: if it's important to be able to play arbitrary windows games, you need the real msft windows |
| 22:58.42 | blast_hardcheese | Bushmills: Oh, hmm. I was thinking more of a program that would handle whatever chromium/iceweasel look for with regard to file type associations. |
| 22:58.49 | abrotman | to an image-file .. file does not imply disc |
| 22:59.00 | Connor1 | catsup I'd love to use Linux but still be able to play my games, also fuck dual boots. |
| 22:59.04 | abrotman | Spida: you're trying to write audio files to a CD? |
| 22:59.22 | Bushmills | blast_hardcheese: ?? ... that's what mozplugger is all about |
| 22:59.43 | blast_hardcheese | Bushmills: p mozplugger - Plugin allowing external viewers to be launched inside Mozilla |
| 22:59.55 | blast_hardcheese | Maybe the description is wrong? |
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| 23:00.21 | dbbolton | how can i find out which kind of touchpad i have in debian? |
| 23:00.31 | Bushmills | "mozplugger allows you to seamlessly integrate external applications to view files downloaded from the web that Mozilla can not normally handle" |
| 23:00.34 | blast_hardcheese | dbbolton: lshw would probably help |
| 23:00.41 | blast_hardcheese | Bushmills: "integrate" |
| 23:00.43 | Spida | abrotman: I suspect a bug in my ripping toolchain (abcde with lame). I want to create a testcase, recording an empty wave-file (I need something that is NOT copyrighted) rip it (preferrably without burning it on a physical cd-r) and encode it |
| 23:00.56 | paxcoder | Connor1, the real answer (in my opinion) is: Debian stable can have old packages, including Wine. Using unstable on the desktop (which is what I do), you must be careful not to break your system - eg. you must do safe installs which kinda suck. Also, ppl here will frown at you using unstable, suggesting (ad absurdum) you use experimental. |
| 23:00.57 | Bushmills | blast_hardcheese: "show in the browser window" |
| 23:00.57 | Connor1 | dbbolton modprobe -r psmouse |
| 23:00.58 | Connor1 | But seriously |
| 23:01.00 | Connor1 | I don't know |
| 23:01.09 | blast_hardcheese | Bushmills: I'm not trying to open these files as a pluggin inside iceweasel, I'm trying to proved the correct application to open different things I download |
| 23:01.15 | Connor1 | paxcoder I don't understand how that helps my dillema |
| 23:01.49 | Connor1 | Hey my trackpad is working again |
| 23:01.50 | Spida | abrotman: I assume that I can burn the wave to an audio disc to a cd-r, now I am thinking about taking out this step to avoid wasting a cd-r on a 1minute empty (silent) recording |
| 23:01.53 | abrotman | paxcoder: wtf are you smoking .. |
| 23:01.59 | babilen | Spida: You can encode wave files directly |
| 23:01.59 | abrotman | Connor1: ignore paxcoder .. he's not making sense |
| 23:02.00 | paxcoder | Connor1, should i simplify? if you want new packages (and I assume you do), you can use Debian unstable, but you must be careful. |
| 23:02.06 | Bushmills | blast_hardcheese: i won't grab you and push your with your nose into mozplugger, as i have already mentioned it. |
| 23:02.12 | Connor1 | Er |
| 23:02.14 | Connor1 | I'm talking about games |
| 23:02.16 | Connor1 | And gaming |
| 23:02.17 | abrotman | paxcoder: and unless you're going to be his support person .. stop recommending he run unstable |
| 23:02.28 | Connor1 | abrotman I'd use unstable anyways |
| 23:02.32 | Connor1 | Who said I'm new to linux lol |
| 23:02.35 | Spida | babilen: doesn't help if I want to test my ripping toolchain |
| 23:02.39 | catsup | Connor1: then you'd better become a corporate spy, steal the source code to all your favorite games, and then code up native linux ports |
| 23:02.48 | blast_hardcheese | Bushmills: I will install this thing. If it solves my problem, I apologize for being thick. The description looks very much like not what I am asking for though. |
| 23:02.51 | Bushmills | blast_hardcheese: feel free to choose a solution better suited to your needs |
| 23:02.51 | Connor1 | I spilled nail polish remover into my trackpad last night |
| 23:03.00 | Connor1 | Well, it was on the top of the laptop and some got into the trackpad |
| 23:03.02 | Connor1 | It works perfectly now |
| 23:03.04 | paxcoder | Connor1, Didn't you say "Debian as the desktop OS". And didn't you mention windows games (=require new Wine package) |
| 23:03.08 | Connor1 | Sir |
| 23:03.09 | Connor1 | Try reading |
| 23:03.11 | Connor1 | Yes I did |
| 23:03.22 | Connor1 | <Connor1> catsup I'd love to use Linux but still be able to play my games, also fuck dual boots. |
| 23:03.26 | paxcoder | Connor1, sir, i'm helping you |
| 23:03.28 | catsup | i think Connor1 is just here to troll |
| 23:03.28 | Connor1 | <Connor1> WoW runs just fine for me under Wine on Mint |
| 23:03.30 | paxcoder | but if you don't want me to |
| 23:03.30 | Connor1 | <Connor1> Although I don't know how games like Mirror's Edge, Amnesia, or Half Life 2 would run... |
| 23:03.34 | paxcoder | i don't need to |
| 23:03.41 | Connor1 | There's where I mentioned some windows games, although Amnesia has a linux client |
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| 23:03.44 | AthomIk | how i can add this '/usr/bin/logger -p local0.info `history|tail -1`' on my $PS1 in .bashrc ? |
| 23:03.47 | themill | paxcoder, Connor1: please take this to a /msg |
| 23:03.47 | AthomIk | :) |
| 23:03.53 | blast_hardcheese | Holy crap. How do you /ignore entire conversations? |
| 23:04.00 | Connor1 | /join #2,000 |
| 23:04.02 | Connor1 | Like that |
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| 23:04.06 | h2mster | i dont get it .. after i installed k3b i got an gtk error : display wasnt to initialize .. AND by that apt-get stops to work like in root console: apt-get install gftp fail packet not found |
| 23:04.09 | blast_hardcheese | Connor1: Tool |
| 23:04.14 | Connor1 | No |
| 23:04.19 | themill | blast_hardcheese: you /mode #debian +qq paxcoder Connor1 |
| 23:04.19 | Connor1 | That is a legit answer |
| 23:04.22 | Connor1 | Anyways |
| 23:04.25 | Bushmills | simply /ignore the participants |
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| 23:04.31 | blast_hardcheese | Bushmills: Roger that. |
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| 23:04.37 | paxcoder | abrotman, is there any other reason... |
| 23:04.37 | Connor1 | I might try Debian again, I'm just not sure if I'm up to the challenge, or if the GTX 570 has good performance under Debian |
| 23:04.38 | paxcoder | nvm |
| 23:04.55 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: if they were actually addressing each other instead of spouting .. you could ignore replies .. but oh well |
| 23:04.59 | blast_hardcheese | Connor1: Keep waiting. Debian isn't what you want. |
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| 23:05.20 | blast_hardcheese | (Linux isn't what you want either) |
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| 23:05.35 | Connor1 | blast_hardcheese I love linux though |
| 23:05.40 | Bushmills | blast_hardcheese: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1300835120998260098d.png full description |
| 23:05.47 | Connor1 | When I say up to the challenge, I mean getting all of my games working under wine |
| 23:05.49 | blast_hardcheese | Connor1: Then why are you here complaining? |
| 23:05.54 | Connor1 | Because I complain a lotr |
| 23:05.55 | Connor1 | Lot* |
| 23:06.01 | Connor1 | And I use debian on my laptop. |
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| 23:06.21 | blast_hardcheese | \o/ Ignored ftw. |
| 23:06.23 | paxcoder | themill, abrotman anyway, so ff4 will first go into experimental until dependencies are resolved? is that what you were trying to say or...? |
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| 23:06.46 | themill | paxcoder: you should read the discussion on the debian-devel mailing list if you want to know those details |
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| 23:07.16 | Bushmills | blast_hardcheese: minor excerpt from its default config: " evince "$file" ' |
| 23:07.19 | paxcoder | themill, ok, do you have a handy link then? :-P |
| 23:07.25 | themill | paxcoder: google does |
| 23:07.31 | blast_hardcheese | Bushmills: Wow, that package has a terrible description. |
| 23:07.38 | aypea[3] | hmm. /dev/urandom is kinda slow. |
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| 23:07.58 | blast_hardcheese | Bushmills: Even the excerpt you showed me indicated that it was not what I wanted. |
| 23:08.05 | AthomIk | i search for bash to syslog, for log all cmd to syslog or other rsylog syslog ng etc |
| 23:08.07 | blast_hardcheese | But yes, it seems like what you are saying is correct |
| 23:08.24 | paxcoder | themill, ah, yes. but where is the question |
| 23:08.45 | Bushmills | blast_hardcheese: "I don't seem to have anything mapped to open PDFs, but I've got evince" |
| 23:08.51 | AthomIk | paxcoder: my daughter like debian and the great dolphin emulator for play :) |
| 23:09.18 | Bushmills | now how could that excerpt possibly be even closer to what you describe? |
| 23:09.44 | paxcoder | themill, other than "debian-devel (firefox|iceweasel) 4", what other keywords can help me? can you tell me? |
| 23:09.48 | paxcoder | *will you |
| 23:10.09 | blast_hardcheese | Bushmills: Yes, I know what I said; My point is this: update-alternatives provides things like x-www-browser. I can alter what browser I want to handle URLs by altering what that symlink points to. Somehow Gnome and KDE have file type association tables that allow applications that want to open certain file types to find the right application, as chosen by the user. |
| 23:10.27 | blast_hardcheese | Bushmills: These solutions seem to be non-standard and non-portable. |
| 23:10.47 | blast_hardcheese | Bushmills: Every single excerpt you've shown/pasted indicates that it is not what I am looking for. |
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| 23:10.56 | dbbolton | blast_hardcheese: didn't see anything in the lshw output about a mouse, touchpad, or pointing device, and neither did grep |
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| 23:11.05 | Bushmills | let it call "prefered_pdf-viewer" and symlink that into alternatives, where you set a symlink to evince |
| 23:11.22 | Bushmills | oh well. done |
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| 23:11.31 | blast_hardcheese | alright. Thank you for your time. |
| 23:11.34 | bax_at_home | hello |
| 23:11.35 | Bushmills | life is complicated, it seems |
| 23:11.40 | blast_hardcheese | Indeed. |
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| 23:12.03 | blast_hardcheese | dbbolton: Hmm. What kind of laptop do you have? |
| 23:12.10 | paxcoder | themill, could you please google that for me, seeing as i'm a complete idiot who never saw the thread you're talking about and thus cannot recall any keywords that would help me find it |
| 23:12.18 | paxcoder | (since you don't want to just give me the link) |
| 23:12.19 | themill | paxcoder: seriously? your google-fu is that poor? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=debian-devel+iceweasel+4.0+experimental or even better http://lmgtfy.com/?q=site:lists.debian.org/debian-devel+iceweasel+4.0+experimental |
| 23:12.23 | paxcoder | (since you don't want to just tell me) |
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| 23:13.12 | marienz | I am only saying this to check for a certain annoyance possibly present here, please ignore |
| 23:13.33 | babilen | blast_hardcheese: Are you looking for "preferences->applications" ? |
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| 23:14.08 | dbbolton | blast_hardcheese: hp g62. according to the manufacturer, i have a "Touch Pad with integrated On/Off button and 2-way scroll pad support" |
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| 23:14.38 | paxcoder | facepalm |
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| 23:14.41 | aarkerio | hi! I'm getting: Failed to symbolic-link boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-amd64 to initrd.img |
| 23:14.56 | jeward | I've broken apt-get on some boxes by trying to install a packaged with an empty Enhances: stanza in the control file. Can you help me get it going atain? |
| 23:15.15 | blast_hardcheese | babilen: I would be, if I was using gnome. |
| 23:15.35 | blast_hardcheese | babilen: That's exactly what I'm looking for, except more generalized for any window manager. |
| 23:15.35 | aarkerio | any idea what is missing? |
| 23:16.00 | aarkerio | jeward: sudo apt-get install -f install |
| 23:16.34 | jeward | Thanks! |
| 23:16.44 | aarkerio | jeward: sudo apt-get -f install |
| 23:16.46 | aarkerio | sorry |
| 23:16.48 | blast_hardcheese | dbbolton: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1475511 ? |
| 23:17.00 | babilen | blast_hardcheese: specifically for PDFs? (sorry, am not sure what exactly you are after) |
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| 23:17.28 | abrotman | aarkerio: eh? |
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| 23:18.08 | babilen | blast_hardcheese: I meant the dialogue in iceweasel btw |
| 23:18.37 | blast_hardcheese | babilen: Oh, let me check that out; I've largely abandoned iceweasel, but that might make me pick it back up |
| 23:18.40 | blast_hardcheese | Thanks for the tip! |
| 23:19.32 | blast_hardcheese | That's exactly what I was looking for. Thanks! |
| 23:19.41 | blast_hardcheese | switches back to iceweasel |
| 23:19.47 | babilen | blast_hardcheese: no problem. Wasn't sure what you were after. :) |
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| 23:20.31 | blast_hardcheese | Yeah, I was generalizing the problem past where it was reasonable to generalize. Unfortunately each application solves this their own way, instead of using a standard solution. |
| 23:20.45 | blast_hardcheese | I was assuming there was a standard solution to this problem. |
| 23:21.46 | babilen | blast_hardcheese: You are aware of MIME databases, /etc/mailcap and these things? |
| 23:22.26 | blast_hardcheese | dbbolton: There's a script at the bottom of that page with a bunch of synclient commands; You could add that script to your ~/.xsessionrc if it works for you |
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| 23:23.31 | blast_hardcheese | babilen: I was not, but I am now. If this exists, why do applications come up with their own solution to the problem? |
| 23:24.21 | themill | blast_hardcheese: mailcap and xdg-open are the standard ways of doing this now. Whether applications use them or not is another matter. if you use them, them morons run around yelling *bloat* because you now depend on some external utility to do something simple like open a PDF.... |
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| 23:24.52 | blast_hardcheese | themill: That's fantastic |
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| 23:25.53 | babilen | blast_hardcheese: "man xdg-open" + http://portland.freedesktop.org/wiki/ |
| 23:26.16 | blast_hardcheese | babilen: Yep, I'm already all over the man page; Thanks for the link though |
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| 23:26.38 | blast_hardcheese | One of my favorite features about Mac OS X is the "open" command, which works just like double-clicking a file in Finder. Thrilled to see xdg-open. |
| 23:27.35 | babilen | :-D |
| 23:28.06 | blast_hardcheese | One question, mailcap -> metamail capabilities, metamail -> ? |
| 23:28.22 | blast_hardcheese | Did this come from some mail mime handler? |
| 23:28.28 | babilen | yes |
| 23:28.31 | blast_hardcheese | like an actual imap/pop client? |
| 23:28.33 | blast_hardcheese | Ah, gotcha |
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| 23:32.55 | mojzo_pl | hello folks, what canj doforu u |
| 23:33.03 | cobe571 | Hello everyone. I recently switch from ubuntu to debian 6.0 and I find gdm3 at boot. I can go back to gdm? there are special instructions to follow? |
| 23:33.18 | abrotman | cobe571: aptitude install gdm |
| 23:33.32 | abrotman | cobe571: does it give you a reasonable solution / |
| 23:33.33 | abrotman | ? |
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| 23:34.32 | cobe571 | abrotman. thanks i know that. just asking if there are troubles? have you tried to swith from gdm3 to gdm? |
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| 23:34.50 | rajkosto | i want to use a users password |
| 23:34.51 | rajkosto | im root |
| 23:34.57 | rajkosto | however when i do passwd username |
| 23:35.03 | rajkosto | it asks me for current kerberos password |
| 23:35.04 | rajkosto | what |
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| 23:35.45 | cobe571 | abrotman have you tried to swith from gdm3 to gdm? |
| 23:36.04 | cobe571 | * switch |
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| 23:36.32 | abrotman | cobe571: i have .. why? |
| 23:36.50 | abrotman | cobe571: it's not really "problems" .. it's just different .. why would you want to switch back ? |
| 23:37.24 | cobe571 | abrotman i dont like gdm3 ... many features are missing or hide |
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| 23:38.15 | abrotman | well, okay .. but the next release will probably only have gdm3 |
| 23:38.23 | themill | .o0( how many features do you need in a dm ) |
| 23:39.01 | cobe571 | abrotman so considering im not more on debian from 3 years i was in trouble changing things - themill GDM isnt a DM |
| 23:39.26 | abrotman | gdm is |
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| 23:39.37 | rajkosto | whats with the "current kerberos password" |
| 23:39.37 | Amnesia | hm |
| 23:39.42 | Amnesia | how can I fix: broken packages dpkg |
| 23:39.45 | abrotman | cobe571: gdm3 and gdm are both DMs |
| 23:39.48 | Amnesia | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.01 | abrotman | stop mixing versions of Debian |
| 23:40.02 | cobe571 | ok il install gdm |
| 23:40.15 | cobe571 | my english sucks sorry |
| 23:40.33 | abrotman | it's better than themill's |
| 23:40.36 | abrotman | :) |
| 23:40.41 | Amnesia | anyone? |
| 23:40.48 | Amnesia | abrotman: afaik I havent |
| 23:40.48 | cobe571 | thanks for your help |
| 23:40.58 | abrotman | Amnesia: you have somewhere .. put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
| 23:41.12 | Amnesia | abrotman: http://pastie.org/1701934 |
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| 23:41.35 | abrotman | Amnesia: aptitude update; aptitude full-upgrade ? |
| 23:42.01 | bax_at_home | hello everybody |
| 23:42.16 | bax_at_home | how are you ? |
| 23:42.20 | Amnesia | abrotman: no effect |
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| 23:42.57 | abrotman | Amnesia: put the full output in a pastebin |
| 23:43.22 | Amnesia | abrotman: 4$ |
| 23:43.24 | Amnesia | http://pastie.org/1701949 * |
| 23:43.59 | abrotman | Amnesia: i meant the full output of your broken package |
| 23:44.31 | Amnesia | ah my apologese |
| 23:44.33 | Amnesia | amnesia@Candycase:~$ sudo apt-get install --reinstall libgnutls26 |
| 23:44.38 | Amnesia | Reinstallation of libgnutls26 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 23:44.40 | Amnesia | hm.. |
| 23:44.59 | abrotman | judd: versions libgnutls26 |
| 23:45.00 | judd | Package libgnutls26 on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.2-6+lenny2; lenny-security: 2.4.2-6+lenny2; squeeze: 2.8.6-1; sid: 2.10.5-1; wheezy: 2.10.5-1; experimental: 2.11.7-2 |
| 23:45.02 | Amnesia | http://pastie.org/1701956 |
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| 23:45.34 | abrotman | Amnesia: at some point, you had the wrong sources .. try something like `aptitude install libgnutls=2.8.6-1" ? |
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| 23:46.40 | Amnesia | no success either |
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| 23:47.02 | Amnesia | http://pastie.org/1701967 |
| 23:47.24 | Amnesia | what now? |
| 23:47.36 | Amnesia | remove libgnutls and reinstall it:/? |
| 23:47.49 | abrotman | oh sorry .. bad command |
| 23:47.52 | abrotman | Amnesia: at some point, you had the wrong sources .. try something like `aptitude install libgnutls26=2.8.6-1" ? |
| 23:47.53 | Spida | can sombody test this for me? "rec -r 44100 -b 16 -c 2 -n empty.wav trim 0:00 1:00" I get an error message on one of my systems, but it works on the other... |
| 23:48.04 | cobe571 | to install gdm instead of gdm3 requires uninstalling the gnome and gnome-desktop-environment |
| 23:48.41 | Spida | rec WARN formats: can't set sample rate 44100; using 48000 |
| 23:48.41 | Spida | rec FAIL sox: Input files must have the same sample-rate |
| 23:49.08 | AthomIk | cobe571: no, i have run aptitude choice gnome package press u |
| 23:49.19 | AthomIk | after aptitude purge gdm3 |
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| 23:49.30 | cobe571 | im using synaptic |
| 23:49.31 | abrotman | cobe571: it shouldn't .. |
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| 23:49.40 | abrotman | cobe571: if you `aptitude install gdm` .. what does it do ? |
| 23:50.01 | bax_at_home | bonjour jour |
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| 23:50.15 | bax_at_home | bonne nuit la nuit |
| 23:50.21 | abrotman | cobe571: aptitude install gdm gdm-themes |
| 23:50.24 | abrotman | bax_at_home: english please |
| 23:50.37 | Amnesia | abrotman: sorry crappy net.. |
| 23:50.41 | Amnesia | what did I miss? |
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| 23:50.45 | bax_at_home | :) |
| 23:50.47 | abrotman | Amnesia: at some point, you had the wrong sources .. try something like `aptitude install libgnutls26=2.8.6-1" ? |
| 23:50.51 | bax_at_home | bye |
| 23:50.59 | abrotman | Amnesia: i mistyped the package name the first time |
| 23:50.59 | Amnesia | http://pastie.org/1701967 |
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| 23:51.23 | cobe571 | abrotman http://www.pasteall.org/pic/10185 |
| 23:51.25 | Amnesia | awesome guess it's working |
| 23:51.40 | Amnesia | would apt-get also work? |
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| 23:51.57 | abrotman | cobe571: my italian is a bit rusty :) |
| 23:52.03 | Amnesia | and why is there a "=" sign while judd said: squeeze: 2.8.6-1 |
| 23:52.19 | abrotman | cobe571: aptitude install gnome gdm gdm-themes gdm3- .. does that help ? |
| 23:52.28 | abrotman | cobe571: i really don't use synaptic .. so i can't help much there |
| 23:52.56 | cobe571 | abrotman oki |
| 23:53.55 | Connor1 | http://explosm.net/comics/2356/ |
| 23:54.09 | abrotman | Connor1: #debian-offtopic .. thanks |
| 23:54.16 | Connor1 | No |
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| 23:54.49 | abrotman | yes |
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| 23:54.55 | Connor1 | I have nothing else to say |
| 23:54.56 | Connor1 | So NO |
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| 23:55.19 | abrotman | Connor1: please take your offtopic chatter to #debian-offtopic, you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
| 23:55.40 | cobe571 | abrotman synaptic its just a frontend to apt-get right? |
| 23:55.53 | cobe571 | i use it from 6 years |
| 23:55.56 | abrotman | i don't know which conflict resolver it uses ... |
| 23:56.24 | cobe571 | mmm |
| 23:56.46 | cobe571 | ok ill try using another way |
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