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| 00:09.12 | ragnar76 | hi all |
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| 00:10.51 | ragnar76 | i'm running wheezy, is it possible to install kde3 beside kde4 and yes, how do i do it? |
| 00:11.11 | themill | no |
| 00:11.21 | abrotman | you realize kde3 is dead upstream, right ? |
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| 00:12.28 | ragnar76 | yes, got an old app which is not campatible to kde4 |
| 00:13.34 | themill | ragnar76: you can still install kde3 apps (for the next few weeks, at least), you cannot install all of kde3, however. These are two quite different things. |
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| 00:15.25 | abrotman | which old app is that? perhaps there is a newer replacement? |
| 00:15.33 | ragnar76 | themill: and what after the "few weeks"? thats sad :( |
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| 00:16.38 | themill | ragnar76: there is on-going work to remove kde3 libraries from wheezy. Wheezy will not release with them so the earlier in the release cycle these changes are made the better. The packages from squeeze will probably be still installable though. |
| 00:17.07 | ragnar76 | abrotman: it's an app which a friend of mine has written. it's a game which we play over the net |
| 00:17.29 | abrotman | ragnar76: jeez .. tell him to update it already :) |
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| 00:18.04 | ragnar76 | themill: so, best solution is to use vmware/virtualbox or compile all by myself. right? |
| 00:18.12 | abrotman | why can't he fix the app ? |
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| 00:18.40 | ragnar76 | abrotman: he has changed to macosx |
| 00:18.43 | themill | ragnar76: the best solution is to port the app to kde4. |
| 00:18.49 | WaterRatj | how do i add the universe source to my list? |
| 00:18.56 | abrotman | themill: or wx! |
| 00:19.00 | abrotman | WaterRatj: ask #ubuntu |
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| 00:19.10 | abrotman | Debian does not have Universe sources |
| 00:20.01 | WaterRatj | cause i'm trying to install webmin in debian but says perl package can't be found |
| 00:20.04 | ragnar76 | abrotman: and he's porting the game there. no linux support anymore. |
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| 00:20.19 | abrotman | WaterRatj: that has nothing to do with Universe |
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| 00:20.27 | abrotman | ragnar76: why not port it to wx ? |
| 00:20.36 | themill | !show sources.list WaterRatj |
| 00:20.36 | dpkg | WaterRatj: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
| 00:20.39 | ragnar76 | abrotman: i dont know |
| 00:20.40 | WaterRatj | webmin website says something about the universe |
| 00:21.09 | abrotman | ragnar76: if he ported to wx, you'd possibly do better iwth compiling it on linux/windows/osx .. |
| 00:21.15 | abrotman | ragnar76: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wxwidgets |
| 00:21.25 | ragnar76 | WaterRatj: if you are on debian ( and nor ubuntu ) you can use the package from apt |
| 00:21.26 | themill | WaterRatj: all that does is confirm that webmin continues to be fairly clueless ... |
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| 00:21.48 | abrotman | i heard webmin eats your children |
| 00:21.49 | ragnar76 | WaterRatj: nor/not |
| 00:22.01 | ragnar76 | abrotman: not mine yet ;o) |
| 00:22.18 | ragnar76 | abrotman: i know wx a bit |
| 00:22.41 | abrotman | ragnar76: just saying .. it gets him OSX and you gtk (you wouldn't need kde3 at least) |
| 00:22.45 | WaterRatj | ragnar76: package not found, hmm stupid minimal sources.list |
| 00:23.42 | WaterRatj | http://pastebin.com/0Mbvydcp |
| 00:23.45 | ragnar76 | WaterRatj: ok, then i have something in sources.list you don't have |
| 00:25.39 | ragnar76 | WaterRatj: this is mine : http://pastebin.com/Rm88UcgC |
| 00:25.51 | abrotman | i'll say |
| 00:26.00 | abrotman | he *really* shouldn't use yours |
| 00:26.29 | WaterRatj | lol |
| 00:26.42 | ragnar76 | abrotman: yes, but can compare and maybe find out where webmin is |
| 00:26.52 | ragnar76 | you write faster than me |
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| 00:41.09 | abrotman | which ones? |
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| 00:48.25 | steffen123__ | how can i get a list of explicitly installed packages? |
| 00:48.56 | abrotman | did you use aptitude to install them ? |
| 00:49.34 | steffen123__ | abrotman, aptitude and apt-get, but really i'd want a list of all explicitly installed packages to shrink the install |
| 00:49.36 | babilen | steffen123__: if so, "aptitude search '~i!~M'" is what you are looking for |
| 00:49.56 | dammitjim | whoa! |
| 00:50.17 | babilen | dammitjim: hmm? |
| 00:50.54 | steffen123__ | babilen, that list looks realistic, does that also include packages i may have installed with apt-get? |
| 00:51.11 | babilen | steffen123__: How old is that system? |
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| 00:51.21 | steffen123__ | 5.05, but just did a distupgrade |
| 00:51.46 | babilen | steffen123__: Which version did you start with? |
| 00:51.54 | steffen123__ | babilen, lenny |
| 00:52.27 | babilen | Should be fine then |
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| 00:53.55 | ragnar76 | i still have a old hamm install on my atari tt, can i upgrade it to wheezy ;o) |
| 00:53.55 | steffen123__ | cool, thanks |
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| 01:00.44 | sdnalanis | i don't remember what exact model number of atheros wireless card i have but setup detected it and kde nor gnome will find any networks in range and i know of atleast 2 that are broadcasting their ssids. i filled in all the information in setup about wireless networks and so i am connected but i want to disconnect so i can connect to my private network i have installed the appropriate network managers |
| 01:00.48 | pyrophelia | is there any btrfs support in lenny or is it all in SID? |
| 01:01.30 | abrotman | pyrophelia: you mean squeeze ? |
| 01:01.32 | Bushmills | queeze has |
| 01:01.38 | Bushmills | squeeze... |
| 01:01.45 | buntunub | btrfs is supported in squeeze |
| 01:02.01 | pyrophelia | eh I call it sid. that's what it was...well n/m i'm old :/ |
| 01:02.15 | abrotman | uhm .. |
| 01:02.23 | abrotman | sid and squeeze are totally different things |
| 01:02.29 | pyrophelia | oh nm then |
| 01:02.39 | pyrophelia | SID = still in development? |
| 01:02.41 | pyrophelia | correct? |
| 01:02.47 | abrotman | sid is unstable .. squeeze is stable |
| 01:02.50 | abrotman | squeeze has btrfs |
| 01:02.56 | pyrophelia | that's what I was wondering |
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| 01:02.57 | Bushmills | !sid |
| 01:02.57 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 01:03.08 | abrotman | lenny can have it with a BPO kernel |
| 01:03.34 | sdnalanis | i don't remember what exact model number of atheros wireless card i have but setup detected it and kde nor gnome will find any networks in range and i know of atleast 2 that are broadcasting their ssids. i filled in all the information in setup about wireless networks and so i am connected but i want to disconnect so i can connect to my private network i have installed the appropriate network managers |
| 01:03.39 | pyrophelia | what's the default kernel in squeeze? |
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| 01:04.15 | abrotman | 2.6.32 |
| 01:04.29 | pyrophelia | hmmm |
| 01:04.33 | pyrophelia | still 1 behind what I need |
| 01:04.39 | pyrophelia | ohwell i'll just compile a new one :/ |
| 01:05.46 | pyrophelia | wait |
| 01:05.47 | abrotman | why? .32 has btrfs |
| 01:06.01 | pyrophelia | yea but i'm wondering which md driver it has |
| 01:06.19 | pyrophelia | they made a change around the 30's that allowed the system to use all available bandwidth during a MD rebuild vs no more than 20MBps |
| 01:06.29 | pyrophelia | I don't remember which version it was |
| 01:06.37 | buntunub | sdnalanis: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/ath_pci |
| 01:07.17 | pyrophelia | without the newest MD driver it takes around 3 days for my raid to rebuild from a failure |
| 01:08.26 | dvs | o_O |
| 01:08.33 | pyrophelia | 15 disk raid 6 |
| 01:09.10 | pyrophelia | 3 of them |
| 01:09.14 | pyrophelia | I run backblaze boxes |
| 01:09.18 | dvs | and with? |
| 01:09.23 | pyrophelia | with what? |
| 01:09.31 | pyrophelia | google backblaze |
| 01:09.34 | dvs | the newest |
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| 01:09.50 | xk | pyrophelia: you want to rebuild at maximum speed? |
| 01:09.50 | pyrophelia | oh about 30 hours |
| 01:10.50 | pyrophelia | I know about forcing the minimum speed but i've noticed strange things happen when I do that |
| 01:11.00 | xk | min speed? you alter max speed |
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| 01:11.14 | xk | min speed you do not change |
| 01:11.16 | pyrophelia | that's what I meant sorry |
| 01:11.29 | xk | strange? like what happens? |
| 01:11.35 | xk | what do you change it to? |
| 01:11.46 | xk | SATA? |
| 01:11.56 | pyrophelia | yes sata on port multipliers |
| 01:12.11 | xk | what speed? what size? |
| 01:12.20 | pyrophelia | I changed it to around 50MBps and I disks started to fall off the backplane |
| 01:12.31 | pyrophelia | s/I/$null |
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| 01:12.59 | xk | what sata chipset? |
| 01:13.02 | pyrophelia | with the newer kernels I don't have to dink with /proc it's very stable |
| 01:13.09 | pyrophelia | that i couldn't tell you off the top of my head |
| 01:13.10 | pyrophelia | hang on |
| 01:13.27 | AthomIk | bye |
| 01:13.40 | xk | if the newer kernel works better... that's the solution. |
| 01:14.14 | pyrophelia | SiL3726 |
| 01:14.22 | pyrophelia | http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-build-cheap-cloud-storage/ |
| 01:14.27 | pyrophelia | that's the system i'm talking about |
| 01:14.37 | xk | ok |
| 01:14.39 | pyrophelia | I'm working off basically the same design with some minor tweaks |
| 01:14.52 | pyrophelia | bigger power supplies and 3TB disks instead of 1.5 |
| 01:14.55 | xk | port multiplier... so it means it's sharing one 3Gbps port for X drives? |
| 01:15.07 | ragnar76 | ok, bye |
| 01:15.09 | ragnar76 | exit |
| 01:15.18 | xk | ahhh... I remmeber seeing that product 12 months ago or so :) |
| 01:15.27 | pyrophelia | yeap, it's great for us |
| 01:15.32 | pyrophelia | I use it to store HD video |
| 01:15.38 | pyrophelia | (NOT PORN DAMNIT) |
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| 01:16.05 | pyrophelia | and yes, 5 drives share a single 3Gbps port |
| 01:16.23 | pyrophelia | 10 disks per pci-e lane |
| 01:16.30 | pyrophelia | er 5 disks per pci-e lane |
| 01:16.39 | xk | so newer kernel works fine? |
| 01:16.46 | pyrophelia | yeap |
| 01:16.56 | pyrophelia | the original design was pretty slow |
| 01:16.57 | xk | so I'd go with that. |
| 01:17.22 | pyrophelia | upgraded the kernel and went with xfs instead of JFS and saw a speed increase (not much though) |
| 01:17.24 | holocene | when I see apt-get upgrade get a file like linux-image-.2. whatever, is that a new patched kernel? |
| 01:17.40 | steffen123__ | holocene, yep |
| 01:17.52 | holocene | ok. good. thanks. |
| 01:18.19 | holocene | steffen123__: are these patches originating with the debian team? |
| 01:18.58 | steffen123__ | holocene, i barely know debian (only use it to test packages of my project), but i'd imagine it includes upstream patches and sometimes also debian-specific patches |
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| 01:19.12 | steffen123__ | tho some of the upstream patches are probably originally from debian people |
| 01:19.34 | xk | pyrophelia: read or write performance? |
| 01:19.51 | holocene | no poblem. I've always been curious to see squeeze get kernel patches. |
| 01:20.06 | holocene | maybe I should not be surprised... |
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| 01:20.37 | holocene | I am sure these are security related. |
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| 01:21.12 | abrotman | !dsa |
| 01:21.12 | dpkg | [dsa] Debian Security Announcement, see http://www.debian.org/security/ and http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ ; <RSS> feeds at http://www.debian.org/security/dsa (titles only) and http://www.debian.org/security/dsa-long (summaries). Ask me about <dsa lookup DSA-nnnn> for information about the packages affected. See also <tracker of doom>, <debsecan>, <dsa team>. |
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| 01:21.17 | steffen123__ | holocene, itll be security or severe bugs |
| 01:21.59 | pyrophelia | xk: sorry wasn't looking. both. jfs with the original setup from backblaze netted about 85MBps read 60 something write |
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| 01:22.23 | holocene | steffen123__: thanks |
| 01:22.40 | pyrophelia | xk: upgraded the kernel and moved over to XFS and saw a pretty big jump. 120+ read 90ish write. |
| 01:22.45 | xk | pyrophelia : did you try raw read/write, so you know the maximum? |
| 01:22.55 | xk | (without filesystem involved) |
| 01:23.09 | pyrophelia | I don't remember the tools I was using |
| 01:23.23 | pyrophelia | you mean directly to the disk right? |
| 01:23.26 | xk | yeah |
| 01:23.28 | pyrophelia | or to the raid? |
| 01:23.31 | steffen123__ | pyrophelia, just 120mbyte/s on a 15 drive raid? |
| 01:23.32 | xk | well RAID |
| 01:23.47 | pyrophelia | steffen123__: it has a bottleneck |
| 01:24.09 | xk | how does raid6 work on a 15 drive array? are all 15 drives updated when data is written? |
| 01:24.16 | pyrophelia | IO maxes out because of the PCI-e 2x lane |
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| 01:24.40 | pyrophelia | that's going over my head sorry |
| 01:24.55 | steffen123__ | xk, usually yeah |
| 01:24.57 | pyrophelia | when pulling information off the raid or writing to it I rarely see more than 5 or 6 active at a time |
| 01:25.06 | pyrophelia | now if I'm rebuilding that's a different story |
| 01:25.09 | steffen123__ | depends on the amount of data |
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| 01:25.26 | xk | I think big drives + RAID3+ is asking for trouble. |
| 01:25.34 | pyrophelia | raid3? |
| 01:25.38 | xk | raid10 is the way to go |
| 01:25.42 | xk | RAID3,4,5,6 |
| 01:25.50 | pyrophelia | na |
| 01:25.53 | xk | then again hmmm |
| 01:26.09 | pyrophelia | this box was built for storage not speed |
| 01:26.11 | steffen123__ | raid10 is a huge waste of space compared to 5/6 tho |
| 01:26.15 | pyrophelia | yeap |
| 01:26.17 | xk | pyrophelia: then why complain about speed |
| 01:26.26 | pyrophelia | backups :x |
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| 01:26.27 | pyrophelia | lol |
| 01:26.32 | un214 | it's totally worth it though when you have $100 1TB drives |
| 01:26.35 | steffen123__ | im pretty sure a 10 drive raid10 would also be slower than a 10drive raid6, whilst offering less reliability |
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| 01:26.55 | un214 | I'm not familiar with raid6 |
| 01:26.59 | xk | you think? |
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| 01:27.09 | un214 | on huge arrays I'd recommend 5+1 anyway |
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| 01:27.22 | pyrophelia | it's worth it with 3TB disks |
| 01:27.27 | pyrophelia | 135TB per 4u |
| 01:27.28 | steffen123__ | well with raid10 you can only guarantee integrity if one drive fails, but if the wrong two fail you're gone, right? |
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| 01:27.37 | pyrophelia | only cost me about $7k |
| 01:27.38 | un214 | yes |
| 01:27.45 | steffen123__ | with raid6 any 2 can fail |
| 01:27.53 | un214 | pyrophelia spent too much |
| 01:27.59 | pyrophelia | ? |
| 01:28.00 | un214 | should cost $500 |
| 01:28.16 | pyrophelia | I mean $7k for the whole box, drives included lol |
| 01:28.27 | pyrophelia | and no, 3TB disks didn't cost me $500 |
| 01:28.34 | steffen123__ | 15 3TB drives for $500? |
| 01:28.39 | nevyn | steffen123__: up to half thedrives in a raid 10 can fail.. as long as they're the right half. |
| 01:28.40 | steffen123__ | ah per drive |
| 01:28.42 | nevyn | ;) |
| 01:28.53 | steffen123__ | nevyn, yeah thats what i meant hehe |
| 01:28.54 | xk | when rebuilding, you're using data from one drive |
| 01:29.05 | xk | wheras raid5/6, you're using all of them |
| 01:29.07 | xk | == higher chance of failure |
| 01:29.09 | un214 | sorry I figured 135TB provide with 3 $100 1TB drives in 5 |
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| 01:29.21 | steffen123__ | xk, you'll be using half the drives surely |
| 01:29.22 | pyrophelia | o.o |
| 01:29.22 | abrotman | pushes everyone to #debian-offtopic |
| 01:29.28 | pyrophelia | yea yea yea |
| 01:29.32 | pyrophelia | I need to get back to work anyway |
| 01:29.35 | steffen123__ | hehe sorry |
| 01:29.38 | steffen123__ | me too really |
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| 01:30.47 | pyrophelia | quick question, do I need volatile in my sources list? |
| 01:31.01 | pyrophelia | I installed lenny fresh from a dvd when I set this thing up |
| 01:31.06 | nevyn | pyrophelia: what release are you running? |
| 01:31.16 | pyrophelia | lenny going to squeeze |
| 01:31.24 | steffen123__ | squeeze no longer has volatile |
| 01:31.29 | nevyn | really? |
| 01:31.29 | pyrophelia | figured as much |
| 01:31.34 | nevyn | what happened there? |
| 01:31.35 | steffen123__ | yeah |
| 01:31.51 | nevyn | so how are things like virus definitions etc handled? |
| 01:31.51 | dvs | nevyn: name change |
| 01:32.03 | nevyn | dvs: what's it called now? |
| 01:32.04 | steffen123__ | its been replaced by the suite squeeze-updates on the official mirrors |
| 01:32.11 | steffen123__ | (quoting the announcement, cant copy&paste the link |
| 01:32.21 | nevyn | ok. |
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| 01:32.55 | dvs | toad! |
| 01:33.33 | crapeau | dvs: lol !!! |
| 01:35.07 | abrotman | nevyn: it does have it .. it's just called something different |
| 01:35.12 | abrotman | !squeeze updates |
| 01:35.12 | dpkg | The Debian <Volatile> archive is discontinued starting from Debian 6.0, replaced by the squeeze-updates suite on official mirrors. Your squeeze sources.list could have "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free". http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110215 http://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <squeeze/updates>, ask me about <security>. |
| 01:35.34 | dvs | puts abrotman back to sleep |
| 01:35.42 | abrotman | okay |
| 01:35.45 | abrotman | xk! |
| 01:35.47 | dvs | ;-) |
| 01:35.47 | nevyn | I thought volitile was clearer as a name |
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| 01:35.53 | xk | ;) |
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| 01:44.45 | un214 | volatile and register are not miscable |
| 01:45.04 | dvs | miscable? |
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| 01:46.43 | dvs | mixable. |
| 01:46.47 | sdnalanis | i have followed all the instructions in the wiki articles on atheros wireless cards in debian wiki and my wireless connections are not showing in kde or gnome i forget what exact model number of atheros card i have but i completed all the wireless stuff in setup and it connected and works but i need to switch to another network (all nets have broadcasted ssids) |
| 01:46.54 | Bushmills | http://scarydevilmonastery.net/dict.cgi?miscible |
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| 01:48.07 | sdnalanis | i have followed all the instructions in the wiki articles on atheros wireless cards in debian wiki and my wireless connections are not showing in kde or gnome i forget what exact model number of atheros card i have but i completed all the wireless stuff in setup and it connected and works but i need to switch to another network (all nets have broadcasted ssids) |
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| 01:49.41 | Bushmills | sdnalanis: that's nice that you keep telling us what you intend to and are about to do, but that was just a bit too frequent for me now. good bye. |
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| 01:50.07 | PadawanLearner | AHOY |
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| 01:59.25 | SerajewelKS | i can't seem to figure out how to build vorbis-tools statically from tarball... |
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| 01:59.55 | SerajewelKS | LDFLAGS=-all-static and "./configure --enable-static --disable-shared" still produce an oggenc that is linked dynamically to the xiph libs |
| 02:00.02 | SerajewelKS | am i missing something obvious? |
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| 02:05.29 | crapeau | SerajewelKS: did you gave a look in oggenc Makefile? |
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| 02:05.41 | un214 | CFLAGS=-static LDFLAGS=-static CXXFLAGS=-static |
| 02:05.47 | un214 | never heard of -all-static |
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| 02:08.02 | khaleel5000 | hi, I am writting thesis on oil industry (financail and business perf of 1 specific company) Is there any good programm in which i can write my "notes" (may be has support for some 'corss-referencing' etc? ) [frankly its my first experience, any good program /app for writting thesis notes /stuff (keep track of all the data) ? |
| 02:08.27 | un214 | vim |
| 02:08.49 | SerajewelKS | un214: it's for libtool |
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| 02:09.13 | SerajewelKS | un214: in the vorbis-tools build system, LDFLAGS gets passed to libtool and not the linker directly |
| 02:10.50 | abrotman | khaleel5000: i've been told latex is fantastic for this |
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| 02:14.29 | pyrophelia | I've got mac users that connect via afp to a NAS I have. How do I get rid of all of the ":2eDS_Store" files that have been created recursively? |
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| 02:15.22 | pyrophelia | basically I want rm to dig into every file and delete every instance of it, but the ":" scares me a bit |
| 02:15.27 | pyrophelia | it's a nonstandard char |
| 02:16.21 | pipeline | pyrophelia: find . -name ":2eDS_Store" -delete |
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| 02:17.09 | pyrophelia | ah ty |
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| 02:17.27 | peterrooney | pyrophelia: also, tab completion may come to your aid in this one |
| 02:17.59 | pyrophelia | why? |
| 02:18.59 | peterrooney | pyrophelia: cd to the directory, type : <tab key> |
| 02:19.24 | pyrophelia | there's thousands of them |
| 02:20.29 | peterrooney | ah, right. may need './:' instead. never mind, if what pipeline said works |
| 02:20.36 | khaleel5000 | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:20.46 | dammitjim | anyone using bluetooth? |
| 02:21.01 | crapeau | pyrophelia: why don't you leave the files read-only |
| 02:21.17 | pyrophelia | because users need to be able to upload |
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| 02:22.43 | crapeau | pyrophelia: from what i know, DS_Store files are only there for hfs plus journaling purpose! |
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| 02:24.56 | pyrophelia | they are, and they're annoying. |
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| 02:26.26 | crapeau | pyrophelia: and privacy challenging... :-O |
| 02:26.46 | pyrophelia | wtf |
| 02:27.02 | pyrophelia | man grub |
| 02:27.02 | pyrophelia | No manual entry for grub |
| 02:27.05 | pyrophelia | gg stable |
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| 02:27.28 | pyrophelia | so how do I edit the grub list now? |
| 02:27.38 | pyrophelia | hell how do I man grub2 now? |
| 02:27.42 | Canar | update-grub |
| 02:29.21 | pyrophelia | is it possible to use find . -name ".AppleDB" -delete on non-empty dirs? |
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| 02:35.49 | jmarsden | pyrophelia: if .AppleDB is the directory name, you'd probably want something closer to find . -name ".AppleDB" -type d | xargs rm -r |
| 02:35.56 | WormDude | why does |
| 02:36.15 | WormDude | why does Linux/debian not show the correct cpu speed in /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 02:36.30 | ectospasm | WormDude: it could be throttled |
| 02:36.39 | WormDude | no ectospasm |
| 02:36.46 | ectospasm | to save power many modern CPUs will throttle to save power. |
| 02:36.49 | jmarsden | WormDude: It all depends how you define "correct" :) |
| 02:36.50 | WormDude | it is simply showing the wrong speed |
| 02:37.02 | WormDude | NO! it is NOT throttling...THE SPEED IS WRONG! |
| 02:37.08 | ectospasm | WormDude: define "right," define "wrong!" |
| 02:37.14 | WormDude | it is showing speeds that it is not operating at |
| 02:37.23 | ectospasm | WormDude: how else do you know? |
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| 02:37.32 | jmarsden | WormDude: You have a logic analyzer on the clock pin to compare it with? |
| 02:37.43 | WormDude | you mean, how do I know? Because I've tested it |
| 02:37.44 | ectospasm | what speed do you see? What speed do you expect? |
| 02:37.57 | WormDude | it IS running at 3 Ghz, but it shows 2.4 Ghz |
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| 02:38.23 | ectospasm | WormDude: how do you KNOW it's 3GHz? |
| 02:38.26 | WormDude | it is acting like the bus is 1066, but it is really 1333 |
| 02:38.35 | WormDude | ectospasm, I've already answered that question |
| 02:38.41 | WormDude | I tested it before and after |
| 02:38.46 | crapeau | WormDude: all the time or sometime |
| 02:39.01 | ectospasm | WormDude: you DIDN'T answer HOW! |
| 02:39.04 | WormDude | it IS running at 3Ghz....not only does my bios report that, but cpu-z under windows reportst that too |
| 02:39.19 | ectospasm | WormDude: still sounds like throttling to me |
| 02:39.24 | ectospasm | Linux != Windows |
| 02:39.27 | WormDude | I ran some tests before and after....and you can see the bogomips |
| 02:39.38 | ectospasm | bogomips == bogus |
| 02:39.39 | WormDude | ectospasm, then why would it be reporting a speed it does not run at? |
| 02:39.48 | WormDude | yes, bogus, but still relative |
| 02:40.02 | ectospasm | WormDude: ...and Windows reports bogomips? |
| 02:40.04 | factotum | WormDude, yes your bios etc will tell you its a 3ghz capable machine, but fat chance its actually running at that speed all the time |
| 02:40.22 | WormDude | factotum, it is in fact running at 3Ghz...ALL THE TIME |
| 02:40.30 | factotum | No it isn't |
| 02:40.34 | ectospasm | WormDude: nope it isn't |
| 02:40.35 | crapeau | WormDude: does it give always the wrong clock speed |
| 02:40.38 | WormDude | factotum, how do you know? |
| 02:41.00 | factotum | Because it's clearly telling you it isn't |
| 02:41.01 | WormDude | crapeau, no, when it is running at its rated speed it reports ok...but when overclocked it reports the rated speed, not the real speed |
| 02:41.09 | ectospasm | unless you completely disable ACPI, it will be a throttled speed unless you max CPU usage |
| 02:41.10 | un214 | haha |
| 02:41.30 | WormDude | ectospasm, thank you for that useless piece of misinformation |
| 02:41.32 | un214 | some BIOSes and some CPUs themselves are limited to rated speeds |
| 02:41.40 | crapeau | WormDude: Overclocking!!!!! |
| 02:41.48 | WormDude | the fact is, I have my throttle running at full speed |
| 02:41.51 | un214 | if it's the bios than disabling the ACPI will undo that |
| 02:42.23 | WormDude | you people seem to think I don't know what is going on. I know what I'm doing. I know what speed it is really running at....if you don't know why Linux reports the wrong speed, then say so. |
| 02:42.42 | ectospasm | WormDude: we ALL feel you're misinformed. |
| 02:42.50 | WormDude | you are misinformed |
| 02:43.01 | ectospasm | WormDude: try running a distributing computing client, see if your reported speed changes |
| 02:43.01 | factotum | Okay children settle down |
| 02:43.07 | WormDude | you seem to think I have no clue what is going on, when in fact I know exactly what is going on. |
| 02:43.14 | factotum | Then fix it |
| 02:43.22 | ectospasm | heh |
| 02:43.22 | WormDude | factotum, it isn't broken per se |
| 02:43.23 | crapeau | WormDude: Did you succeed compiling stuff under linux with your overclocker cpu??? |
| 02:43.31 | WormDude | crapeau, yes, works fine |
| 02:43.47 | WormDude | crapeau, in fact, that is what I used for my benchmark to compare the before/after speeds |
| 02:43.49 | crapeau | WormDude:Compiling??? |
| 02:44.01 | ectospasm | compiling isn't a good benchmark |
| 02:44.02 | WormDude | yes, I compile stuff when it overclocked, and it works fine |
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| 02:44.29 | ectospasm | you should use an intensive program, like distributed.net or mprime |
| 02:44.31 | WormDude | I didn't say it is a "good benchmark"....just something that is compute intensive enough to make a comparison |
| 02:44.35 | crapeau | ectospasm: overclocked cpu often break compilation |
| 02:44.50 | ectospasm | kinda like -O9 (-; |
| 02:44.54 | WormDude | crapeau, you're absolutely right....because most people push their machines to a point where they are unstable. |
| 02:45.03 | pyrophelia | find . -name "AppleDouble" -type d | xargs rm -r |
| 02:45.03 | pyrophelia | rm: missing operand |
| 02:45.08 | pyrophelia | ? |
| 02:45.18 | WormDude | I'm just bumping up the bus speed from one legal value to the next (from 1066 to 1333) |
| 02:45.26 | abrotman | pyrophelia: man xargs |
| 02:45.28 | ectospasm | pyrophelia: try appending '-' |
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| 02:45.37 | WormDude | the cpu I have is well known for it's overclocking capabilities (Q6600) |
| 02:45.41 | ectospasm | ...xargs rm -r - |
| 02:45.51 | pyrophelia | ? |
| 02:46.29 | crapeau | ectoplasm: no need for the "-" xargs does it by itself |
| 02:46.37 | pyrophelia | erm |
| 02:46.40 | pyrophelia | that didn't do anything |
| 02:47.03 | ectospasm | pyrophelia: add a -print to find |
| 02:47.10 | pyrophelia | tried that to |
| 02:47.11 | pyrophelia | same thing |
| 02:47.16 | WormDude | in fact, if you guys google about what I'm talking about, you'll find MANY people that report Linux not showing the correct clock speed when they overclock, even tho it really is running at that speed. |
| 02:47.34 | ectospasm | WormDude: linkylinky |
| 02:47.49 | WormDude | it is on my other computer, looking again now |
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| 02:48.45 | WormDude | what I had read somewhere is that Linux is getting the speed value from some table (I want to say acpi, but maybe that is wrong), and not actually calculating it on it's own. |
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| 02:49.16 | abrotman | you mean the acpi related to power saving and throttling ? |
| 02:49.39 | pyrophelia | meh i'm confused |
| 02:49.43 | pyrophelia | what am I missing in the command |
| 02:49.48 | WormDude | no, that Linux takes the speed from that table (or perhaps some other table), to determine the speed to report in /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 02:50.21 | WormDude | abrotman, Linux does not seem to calculate the speed anymore, it just gets it from the bios...and my bios is reporting the wrong speed. |
| 02:50.50 | ectospasm | WormDude: so it's a problem with your BIOS then? |
| 02:51.32 | WormDude | what? you think the kernel simply passing along bogus info, instead of calculating itself is a problem with my bios? |
| 02:51.39 | WormDude | I look at that as a problem with Linux |
| 02:51.56 | crapeau | WormDude: i have a thinkpad wich is fluctuating between 550 and 650 mhz from boot to boot ... and the mobo is dying |
| 02:51.59 | WormDude | do you trust everything you hear? no, I didn't think so, me neither...then why would Linux blindly trust the bios? |
| 02:52.21 | WormDude | crapeau, sounds really old to be running at those speeds |
| 02:52.26 | ectospasm | WormDude: it works around broken BIOSes all the time |
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| 02:52.41 | ectospasm | WormDude: have you filed a bug in the appropriate place? |
| 02:52.51 | WormDude | crapeau, are you sure that isn't the throttled speed, or is it really running at that speed? |
| 02:53.07 | WormDude | no ectospasm, this appears to be a design problem |
| 02:53.21 | ectospasm | WormDude: so file a bug to have the design changed. |
| 02:53.32 | ectospasm | WormDude: if you don't, all we'll hear is your whining. |
| 02:53.40 | crapeau | WormDude: the mobo is defective as i said |
| 02:53.54 | WormDude | crapeau, the motherboard is just fine....nothing wrong with it (at this time) |
| 02:54.37 | ectospasm | I never understood the point of overclocking, The "Von Neumann" bottleneck is still the biggest slowdown for computers. |
| 02:54.51 | WormDude | ectospasm, I'm not whining....actually, I was hoping there was a setting somewhere (perhaps a kernel config option) to allow it to act the old way (I haven't personally verified it yet, but others are reporting that old kernels show the right speed |
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| 02:54.59 | crapeau | WormDude: you are overclocking a bus by 25% and you think it is fine.... |
| 02:55.45 | crapeau | ectospasm: the harddrive is even worst |
| 02:55.50 | WormDude | yeah crapeau....I just did this last night....so haven't had a chance to really put it through it's paces....but it works beautiful on Windows, OSX and Linux |
| 02:56.55 | ectospasm | crapeau: that's still the Von Neumann bottleneck, just instead of primary memory (registers) to secondary memory (RAM), it's primary to tertiary (disk), etc. |
| 02:56.56 | WormDude | crapeau, this motherboard does not allow me to overclock it....so I just put a piece of tape on one of the cpu pins (pads), to trick it into thinking the cpu is a 1333 bus speed, instead of 1066.... |
| 02:57.16 | ectospasm | sounds like a winner |
| 02:57.40 | un214 | dpkg firefox4 |
| 02:57.40 | dpkg | un214: i haven't a clue |
| 02:58.04 | un214 | anybody tried firefox 4 on squeeze yet |
| 02:58.10 | WormDude | I have another motherboard that does allow me to overclock....I got a 2.8Ghz cpu running at about 3.2Ghz....I can make it as fast as 3.4 Ghz, and it is mostly stable, but not stable enough....so I usually take it to where it does not crash....then lower it a little more for a margin of error. |
| 02:58.23 | WormDude | not me un214...not yet anyways |
| 02:59.40 | crapeau | ectospasm: you are right, acces to register is in microseconds and harddrive is in miliseconds. The slower one kill the performance |
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| 03:01.06 | crapeau | ectospasm: mocrosecons or maybe nanoseconds |
| 03:01.19 | ectospasm | crapeau: yeah, I was thinking nanoseconds |
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| 03:04.08 | crapeau | ectospasm: The weakest link in a computer is defenitely the harddrive, Just try a ramdisk and you'll see. ;-) |
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| 03:08.40 | pyrophelia | ok so what am I missing |
| 03:08.43 | pyrophelia | I really can't figure it out |
| 03:09.06 | pyrophelia | find . -name "AppleDouble" -type d | xargs rm -r |
| 03:09.06 | pyrophelia | rm: missing operand |
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| 03:10.01 | ectospasm | crapeau: yeah, but a hard drive is just really slow memory as far as the Von Neumann architecture is concerned |
| 03:10.11 | crapeau | pyrophelia: what is the result of find . -name "AppleDouble" -type d |
| 03:10.18 | ectospasm | SSDs are closer to RAM than mechanical HDDs |
| 03:10.30 | pyrophelia | nothing |
| 03:10.41 | ectospasm | so there's nothing to delete |
| 03:10.48 | pyrophelia | oh |
| 03:10.49 | pyrophelia | ty |
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| 03:11.49 | crapeau | ectospasm: using a ramdisk for the system disk increase so much the performance |
| 03:11.56 | blast_hardcheese | debian-installer preseeding question: I don't seem to have the partitioning section in my config set up correctly. Any pointers would be much appreciated. http://blast.hardchee.se/pnopaste/?77 |
| 03:12.14 | pyrophelia | well that didn't get me anywhere |
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| 03:12.38 | pyrophelia | just got 1k lines of "rm: cannot remove `Brooks/My': No such file or directory" |
| 03:12.40 | blast_hardcheese | Unfortunately the debian partitioner seems to not actually log anything when it has a problem |
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| 03:12.47 | pyrophelia | called different things but it worked at least |
| 03:12.48 | pyrophelia | ty |
| 03:12.54 | pyrophelia | now how do I get rid of all of that crap? |
| 03:12.57 | confoundit | I think www.whatismyip.org went down lately. what is another choice that returns just my ip and no other crap so i can use them in my shell scripts? |
| 03:13.23 | pyrophelia | down? |
| 03:13.24 | KB1JWQ | confoundit: Using external services in your shell scripts will lead to tears before bedtime. |
| 03:13.25 | pyrophelia | it's working fine |
| 03:13.31 | blast_hardcheese | pyrophelia: You probably need to escape your spaces. Either that, or put your arguments in quotation marks. |
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| 03:13.40 | catsup | you need an external service for this function tho |
| 03:13.44 | pyrophelia | can you give me an example |
| 03:13.51 | pyrophelia | i've never used xarg before |
| 03:13.59 | blast_hardcheese | pyrophelia: What did you type, I'll fix it |
| 03:14.04 | blast_hardcheese | xargs is awesome |
| 03:14.05 | confoundit | The server at www.whatismyip.org is taking too long to respond. |
| 03:14.08 | confoundit | KB1JWQ: ^ |
| 03:14.34 | pyrophelia | find . -name ".AppleDouble" -type d -print | xargs rm -r |
| 03:14.36 | catsup | confoundit: i think if you look at the tor faq, it tells of a server that serves that function, that might be more reliable |
| 03:14.37 | KB1JWQ | confoundit: Right. As I said, using external services in your shell scripts will lead to tears before bedtime. If you don't control it, you have no expectation that it'll be available at any given time. :-) |
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| 03:15.10 | WormFood | http://pastebin.com/g4TSHsqe <-- in case anyone was interested in seeing my cpuinfo for my old and new cpu |
| 03:15.53 | KB1JWQ | confoundit: curl -s checkip.dyndns.com | grep -Eo "[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+" might work for you. |
| 03:15.55 | WormFood | they are filming a movie or tv show or something outside my apartment...so I'm gonna go out and take a peek and what is going on |
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| 03:16.19 | blast_hardcheese | pyrophelia: find . -name ".AppleDouble" -type d -print | xargs -J % 'echo rm -rv "%"' . If that looks correct, remove the echo to actually remove things. Also, when speaking with someone, it's generally preferred to prefix what you're saying with the person's name so they can tell you said something at them. |
| 03:16.34 | confoundit | KB1JWQ: OH yeah it does! THANKS a bunch! :) |
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| 03:16.50 | pyrophelia | blast_hardcheese: sorry |
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| 03:17.42 | blast_hardcheese | pyrophelia: Not a problem :) Also, you don't have to do it every time (like if you're having a fast/in-depth conversation), but this channel is moving pretty fast |
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| 03:18.09 | pyrophelia | blast_hardcheese: invalid option -j? |
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| 03:19.40 | pyrophelia | blast_hardcheese: what option should it be? |
| 03:19.42 | blast_hardcheese | pyrophelia: Whoops |
| 03:19.45 | blast_hardcheese | -I |
| 03:19.50 | pyrophelia | ah ty |
| 03:19.55 | blast_hardcheese | also, remove the outer quotes from the command |
| 03:20.00 | blast_hardcheese | Let me retype |
| 03:20.13 | blast_hardcheese | pyrophelia: find . -name ".AppleDouble" -type d -print | xargs -I % echo rm -rv "%" |
| 03:20.31 | blast_hardcheese | Sorry, I was doing it from memory (must be faulty) |
| 03:21.04 | pyrophelia | better than mine :) |
| 03:21.28 | blast_hardcheese | ^^ |
| 03:21.31 | pyrophelia | xargs: unmatched single quote; by default quotes are special to xargs unless you use the -0 option" mean? |
| 03:21.39 | pyrophelia | er |
| 03:21.44 | crapeau | blash_hardcheese: xargs -0 might do the trick too, i guess |
| 03:21.47 | jmarsden | pyrophelia: I'm not sure what the % stuff is doing for you. just do find . -name ".AppleDouble" -type d -print0 | xargs -0 rm |
| 03:22.08 | jmarsden | ro echo rm if you want to check it first |
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| 03:22.25 | blast_hardcheese | jmarsden: He wanted to use -r; -I % replaces every instance of % with the next line from stdin |
| 03:22.40 | pyrophelia | for some reason the phrase 'more than 1 way to kill a cat just popped in my head' problem is I feel like the cat :/ |
| 03:23.13 | jmarsden | find . -name ".AppleDouble" -type d -print0 | xargs -0 rm -r # should be fine as far as I know |
| 03:23.26 | blast_hardcheese | jmarsden: Unless the path has spaces in it |
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| 03:23.30 | blast_hardcheese | which is the problem he had ;) |
| 03:23.39 | blast_hardcheese | However, by our powers combined... |
| 03:23.41 | jmarsden | No, -0 handles that, doesn't it? |
| 03:23.55 | blast_hardcheese | Don't know about that, but it might |
| 03:24.18 | blast_hardcheese | pyrophelia: Give it a shot, Also might want to add -v to rm for verbosity |
| 03:24.38 | crapeau | yes from: man xargs in lenny |
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| 03:25.28 | blast_hardcheese | crapeau: Rockin, thanks for that |
| 03:25.57 | blast_hardcheese | And now, I will re-ask my debian-installer preseeding question: I don't seem to have the partitioning section in my config set up correctly. Any pointers would be much appreciated. http://blast.hardchee.se/pnopaste/?77 |
| 03:26.05 | confoundit | ttest |
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| 03:29.43 | pyrophelia | it worked |
| 03:29.48 | jmarsden | Good :) |
| 03:29.49 | pyrophelia | find . -name ".AppleDouble" -type d -print0 | xargs -0 rm worked |
| 03:30.10 | jmarsden | !congratulate pyrophelia |
| 03:30.10 | dpkg | Huzzah pyrophelia, you did it! |
| 03:30.27 | pyrophelia | unmatched error |
| 03:30.29 | pyrophelia | ... |
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| 03:34.10 | joe6 | is there a shell command that can copy the clipboard to a tmp file? |
| 03:35.46 | Bushmills | there is xclip |
| 03:35.48 | blast_hardcheese | joe6: xclip, iirc |
| 03:37.06 | joe6 | thanks guys. |
| 03:37.17 | blast_hardcheese | No problem |
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| 03:54.43 | jrt4 | I'm trying to understand how the release cycle works. Basically if a package is in testing on, say, ARM, then it cannot be in stable on x86 right? |
| 03:55.27 | jrt4 | (i.e. even if its bugs are ARM-specific, it won't be updated on other architectures, right?) |
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| 03:58.05 | crapeau | jrt4: From what i understand: yes, the maintainer will hold the code until the hw specifics are solved |
| 03:59.38 | jrt4 | crapeau, Do you know the reasoning behind that? That is, if it's known that the bug is arch specific, why would you prevent other architectures from getting a newer version? The only reason I could think of for this is that it would provide a uniform experience across all architectures, but that doesn't seem to be that good of a reason for holding back extremely common architectures due to problems on fringe architectures. |
| 04:00.06 | jrt4 | (not saying that ARM is fringe btw, but some of the architectures supported by debian are much less common than ARM/x86) |
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| 04:00.51 | crapeau | jrt4: If i push your reasonning to the limits, it means every arch would have a different debian, a nightmare to maintain. |
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| 04:02.55 | jrt4 | crapeau, If the package format stayed the same, why would it be a nightmare? Wouldn't it just be a matter of aptitude downloading a different version of the package based on the architecture? |
| 04:03.18 | crapeau | jrt4: from my experiance if it run on mips it will mostly work for all. But ix86 is sometime harder to port coz of the shitty micro-arch |
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| 04:05.06 | crapeau | jrt4: arm: xyz 2.5.4 intel: xyz 2.5.11 ppc: xyz 2.4.9. the maitainer ends of having 1 varsion per arch instead of only one |
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| 04:07.31 | crapeau | jrt4: it end up putting more eyes on the same code. Giving a stabler debian. Just give a look to ubuntu, doing things, always in a hurry |
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| 04:10.01 | crapeau | jrt4: if you need a specific program version you still can compile it yourself |
| 04:10.02 | unkmar | Is there a linux vnc client with file transfer support? |
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| 04:10.10 | jrt4 | that's true -- I guess it kind of does force everyone to work on the older packages until they are stable. Thanks for explaining |
| 04:10.17 | jrt4 | crapeau, Yeah -- I was looking into backports. |
| 04:11.00 | crapeau | jrt4: you know i use both backports and self-compiled apps |
| 04:11.04 | jrt4 | I just came from Ubuntu, and Debian is noticeably less bloated and buggy, but I'm not liking some of the outdated software (e.g. iceweasel is so old that I can't even install firebug for it |
| 04:11.43 | unkmar | jrt4: I know, ain't it just great? |
| 04:11.48 | crapeau | jrt4: have you tried the backport one? |
| 04:12.52 | jrt4 | crapeau, No, but I plan to. One thing I don't like, though, is that (from what I understand -- correct me if I'm wrong) is that if I use backports, then I no longer get security updates, right? |
| 04:13.04 | jrt4 | (unless the backport maintainers put them out) |
| 04:13.34 | Bushmills | unkmar: there is something similar - it is called ssh, and can be used with scp for file transfers. |
| 04:14.05 | crapeau | jrt4: sometime priority needs to be put... ;-) debian needs to be stable |
| 04:14.37 | unkmar | Bushmills: sure, it works just great AFTER in TRANSFER putty or Filezilla or Some sort of scp or sftp client to the server that simply ran one program to connect to me. |
| 04:14.52 | unkmar | s/in/I/ |
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| 04:15.14 | crapeau | jrt4: ubuntu use marketing to be popular and debian use stability. |
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| 04:15.39 | Bus3rr0r | and there is a lot to be said for stability |
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| 04:16.13 | unkmar | I guess I will start supplying an scp or sftp client along with my vnc server package. Though that isn't as handy as a built-in solution. |
| 04:16.25 | piercedwater | Where can I find blacklist-framebuffer? It isn't in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-framebuffer |
| 04:16.37 | unkmar | so far it has been rare enough that I have ignored the irritation. |
| 04:16.42 | piercedwater | woudl blacklist.conf be equal? |
| 04:17.36 | jrt4 | unkmar, TightVNC has file transfer support, apparently |
| 04:17.52 | jrt4 | (I've never used it -- I just type "vnc linux file transfer" into google) |
| 04:18.25 | unkmar | jrt4: server side only? I saw that x11vnc does.. I will look though. |
| 04:20.24 | jrt4 | unkmar, I have no idea. As I said, I've never used it. It was just the first thing that popped up in Google. I'm sure you could find out more about TightVNC's file transfer capability by typing "tightvnc file transfer" into Google. |
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| 04:21.02 | piercedwater | I found blacklist, now I'm looking for menu.lst? Anyone? :) |
| 04:21.45 | unkmar | menu.lst? what are you working on? |
| 04:21.56 | unkmar | piercedwater: locate menu.lst |
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| 04:22.10 | piercedwater | unkmar: i did, no luck. should is still be there on a headless box? |
| 04:22.23 | unkmar | grub folder. |
| 04:22.34 | piercedwater | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/menu-lst-is-missing-in-debian-i386-6-0-version-870369/ |
| 04:22.37 | piercedwater | doesnt exist |
| 04:22.44 | unkmar | /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 04:22.52 | unkmar | you not using grub? using grub2? |
| 04:22.56 | piercedwater | i guess so |
| 04:23.05 | piercedwater | lol |
| 04:23.19 | unkmar | then look at /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 04:23.41 | unkmar | eh. Hmm. I'm not sure which I am using at this point. I think I have had both in this system. :/ |
| 04:23.52 | piercedwater | ok, ill check grub.cfg |
| 04:24.04 | piercedwater | im just trying to enter a hexdecimal code for vga |
| 04:24.21 | unkmar | Hmm. |
| 04:24.46 | piercedwater | to enable framebuffering |
| 04:24.47 | unkmar | piercedwater: do you have a /boot/grub? |
| 04:24.50 | piercedwater | yes |
| 04:25.05 | unkmar | piercedwater: pastebin the contents. |
| 04:25.05 | piercedwater | i have a grub.cfg too |
| 04:25.07 | piercedwater | pk |
| 04:25.08 | piercedwater | ok |
| 04:25.14 | unkmar | just a ls of /boot/grub |
| 04:25.33 | piercedwater | http://pastebin.com/3nDH8Z4H |
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| 04:26.17 | mwnn | Hi, is there an RSS feed to get the list of package updated in stable? |
| 04:26.29 | unkmar | yeah, that looks a lot like my grub-old which I assume is NOT grub2. |
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| 04:26.48 | piercedwater | hmm ok |
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| 04:28.00 | unkmar | piercedwater: yeah, you need to edit the grub.cfg. menu.lst is the grub2 file. |
| 04:28.08 | piercedwater | k thx |
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| 04:31.13 | prince_jammys | don't edit grub.cfg directly, edit the relevant files in /etc and then update-grub. grub.cfg will then be updated with your changes. |
| 04:32.04 | prince_jammys | otherwise, updates will overwrite your changes to grub.cfg |
| 04:32.24 | steffen123__ | who would i have to speak to about adding a python2 -> python to debian? the python package maintainer? |
| 04:32.44 | unkmar | piercedwater: what prince_jammys said. the grub.cfg does warn about that in the header. |
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| 04:33.15 | piercedwater | ok, but am i going about this correctly to enable frame buffering on a headless box? |
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| 04:34.10 | crapeau | piercedwater: you need virtual framebuffer i guess |
| 04:34.11 | unkmar | piercedwater: we want frame buffering for what reason? |
| 04:34.21 | piercedwater | unkmar: zsnes :) |
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| 04:34.47 | unkmar | piercedwater: you are going to play games on a headless system? or through it? |
| 04:35.07 | piercedwater | through it |
| 04:35.12 | piercedwater | via my mac ss -x |
| 04:35.17 | piercedwater | ssh -x |
| 04:35.25 | piercedwater | well |
| 04:35.29 | piercedwater | it will run on the box |
| 04:35.38 | unkmar | piercedwater: I understand. |
| 04:35.41 | piercedwater | ok |
| 04:36.08 | crapeau | piercedwater: snes emulator exist 4 ppc |
| 04:36.15 | unkmar | piercedwater: is X installed on the headless system? and other folks, is it needed? |
| 04:36.28 | piercedwater | crapeau: I know, but its just to make use of this box |
| 04:36.36 | piercedwater | unkmar: yes, xserver is |
| 04:36.59 | piercedwater | i think it would be cool to ssh in on my breaks and when im away and play old school games |
| 04:37.08 | crapeau | unkmar: you need a part of the X system, but not all |
| 04:37.28 | unkmar | piercedwater: the rendering speed will be crap unless you have gigabit and I'm not sure that will be enough. |
| 04:37.40 | piercedwater | well, i do have a gigabit |
| 04:37.43 | piercedwater | so we'll see :) |
| 04:37.53 | piercedwater | er gigabit |
| 04:39.11 | piercedwater | ive had it runnning at 640.480 |
| 04:39.14 | piercedwater | via ssh |
| 04:39.22 | piercedwater | but i got greedy and now im going for a bigger resolution |
| 04:40.02 | prince_jammys | i'm surprised that games would be playable |
| 04:40.03 | unkmar | I'd be very happy with 640x480 since that should be native for NTSC TV signals. |
| 04:40.08 | crapeau | piercedwater: you need 14 meg/sec for 60 fps plus sound, if you need it |
| 04:40.36 | blackrock | Hi, how do you check a package's build date? |
| 04:40.45 | unkmar | crapeau: don't need 60fps. 30fps will usually do fine. |
| 04:40.52 | piercedwater | crapeau: then it will definitly work via LAN |
| 04:41.09 | crapeau | piercedwater: many snes game run at 60fps |
| 04:41.11 | unkmar | crapeau: I believe that NTSC was defined around 27fps and that is with interleaving. |
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| 04:43.01 | crapeau | unkmar: that is about movie and tv, many games of thir time run at 60fps |
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| 04:43.24 | crapeau | this time |
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| 04:45.10 | naptastic | I started running an apt-mirror for my local network and it's awesome for updates, but I can't install from it yet. I'm guessing that I'm just not mirroring all the right pieces of the repo. Is there a how-to out there for how to make an apt-mirror installable from? |
| 04:45.22 | crapeau | This days game run at 30 fps because they don't have the time to optimise the code |
| 04:45.52 | crapeau | I mean don't take the time... ;-) |
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| 04:49.23 | unkmar | crapeau: exactly. bottom dollar. More profitable to churn out crap than to grind away for a few more fps. |
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| 04:55.58 | crapeau | unkmar: old game were made in assembly language, with custom engine. These days, they use unreal engine or any other.... |
| 04:56.59 | unkmar | crapeau: and then wedge their own game into the engines limitations. |
| 04:57.57 | unkmar | Don't blame the engine. Blame the crap they wedged into it. On second thought... |
| 04:58.30 | unkmar | Blame the people that don't care that the engine isn't written for the newer architectures. faster, more capable video cards. |
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| 04:59.23 | crapeau | unkmar: it mostly a code 18: the problem is 18 inches in front of the monitor |
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| 05:00.43 | unkmar | crapeau: I'll try to remember that one. I'm familiar with pebkac and ID Ten T errors. |
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| 05:01.18 | crapeau | unkmar: wich are??? |
| 05:01.52 | unkmar | Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair. id 10 t |
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| 05:11.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps how much space would i loose with a 8 tb/ 4 drive raid 5 configuration?? |
| 05:11.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | isnt there some formula |
| 05:11.40 | nevyn | 2tb |
| 05:11.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | so 6 gb? |
| 05:11.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | left |
| 05:12.03 | xk | you keep 6, you lose 2. |
| 05:12.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | sounds good |
| 05:12.18 | piercedwater | 20% |
| 05:12.19 | xk | how much you loose? if there's a loose screw, you're gone. |
| 05:12.20 | piercedwater | :P |
| 05:12.24 | nevyn | you'd get 6usable 6gigs you'd be using 2 to provide redundancy |
| 05:12.53 | xk | piercedwater: 25%? |
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| 05:13.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 05:13.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 05:13.18 | nevyn | the formula is N+1 so you loose one drive in the stripe. |
| 05:13.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | i mean tb not gb lol |
| 05:13.38 | simonrvn | 'lose' |
| 05:13.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | sorry |
| 05:13.45 | nevyn | Eryn_1983_FL: so if you made it from 8 1TB drives you'd only loose 1Tb |
| 05:13.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | gotcha |
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| 05:13.50 | nevyn | for 7 usable |
| 05:14.08 | piercedwater | xk: I read 20% one time |
| 05:14.16 | nevyn | but it might be worth using raid6 and having 2 parity disks |
| 05:14.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | not sure if the hw supports it though |
| 05:14.42 | nevyn | Eryn_1983_FL: hw? |
| 05:14.52 | nevyn | Eryn_1983_FL: hw support is almost always a bad move. |
| 05:15.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am going to have two pcs with raid 5 once i get the $$ for the drives |
| 05:15.10 | nevyn | hw raid unless you're spending more on the raid controllers than you are on the disks |
| 05:15.17 | nevyn | is usually a waste of time |
| 05:15.29 | steffen123__ | +1 |
| 05:15.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | so software? |
| 05:15.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | i cant afford a 400$ card for it |
| 05:15.47 | steffen123__ | unless you have a dedicated raid card/chip with its own processor use mdraid |
| 05:15.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | they can do raid6 in software now in linux |
| 05:16.09 | simonrvn | have for years |
| 05:16.11 | steffen123__ | tbh i'd use mdraid even if i had a dedicated card because it works on any hardware |
| 05:16.16 | xk | MIOW: dont use hardware raid on a sub-300$ card. |
| 05:16.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | cool |
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| 05:16.26 | xk | er, iow |
| 05:16.42 | simonrvn | MIOW! |
| 05:16.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | allright then |
| 05:16.56 | xk | i've always seen horror stories with elcheapo (SATA) pseudo raid cards |
| 05:17.15 | xk | every single one i've seen in use, has had a horror story along with it :) |
| 05:17.19 | simonrvn | that's always true for fakraid cards |
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| 05:17.25 | simonrvn | fake* |
| 05:17.35 | steffen123__ | they dont do the raid in hw anyways, they do it in the drive, ie. on the cpu |
| 05:17.47 | steffen123__ | drive>driver |
| 05:17.55 | crapeau | serious stuff come at a serious price |
| 05:18.21 | steffen123__ | or for free :) |
| 05:18.32 | crapeau | got me there |
| 05:18.39 | steffen123__ | cheap is the worst |
| 05:18.58 | steffen123__ | with recent mdadm versions and kernels you can even convert - online - between the different raid levels, enlarge/shrink arrays, etc. |
| 05:19.02 | xk | "lets buy a SATA raid card from adaptec, cause they are apparently good with scsi" |
| 05:19.08 | xk | yeah... doesn't mean the sata version will be any good. |
| 05:19.18 | crapeau | knowledge is not free |
| 05:19.41 | xk | only thing worth it on the raid card is BBWC |
| 05:20.14 | steffen123__ | ive got a problem tho, i have a virtualbox VM with squeeze and the guest drivers installed, and it works great, with one exception, when i resize the VM window it doesnt resize my debian desktop |
| 05:20.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | well going to have one system online and the other be the backup both with raid6 then |
| 05:20.23 | steffen123__ | i did restart after installing the drivers |
| 05:20.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | just going to sync them once a day |
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| 05:21.10 | crapeau | steffen123__: are using framebuffer??? |
| 05:22.03 | steffen123__ | uh. i dont think so. i installed virtualbox-ose-guest-dkms |
| 05:22.28 | steffen123__ | glxinfo says i got direct rendering |
| 05:22.35 | xk | whats the preferred way to add extra routes? |
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| 05:22.41 | xk | er, static routes |
| 05:23.00 | nevyn | ip route add .... |
| 05:23.13 | xk | I mean in a configuration file that is loaded each time the system is booted |
| 05:23.15 | nevyn | oh. isn't there a way to do it in interfaces? |
| 05:23.17 | unkmar | who is talking RAID? |
| 05:23.34 | crapeau | steffen123__: the host need to scale the screen, coz the vm won't understand |
| 05:23.36 | unkmar | I'd be more comfortable with software RAID than SATA RAID. |
| 05:24.00 | steffen123__ | crapeau, i thought this would be a job for the guest driver? |
| 05:24.01 | xk | abrotman is asleep, he wont tell us off for a second RAID rant session :) |
| 05:24.06 | unkmar | I have a friend/customer that nearly lost all his data because of a RAID gone south. |
| 05:24.12 | steffen123__ | its not just scaling, it actually changes resolution |
| 05:24.41 | steffen123__ | inside the VM |
| 05:25.00 | steffen123__ | unkmar, what kinda raid? true-hw, fake-hw, md? |
| 05:25.25 | crapeau | steffen123__: from what i understand no |
| 05:25.49 | xk | nevyn: I'm tempted to run a basic routing daemon. post-{up,down} doesn't seem an elegant solution. |
| 05:25.58 | steffen123__ | crapeau, but the guest has to know about, else the programs couldnt use the extra screenspace surely? |
| 05:26.00 | unkmar | steffen123__: I don't recall, but I got the old motherboard in the next room. I could check it out for you. |
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| 05:26.33 | steffen123__ | unkmar, dont worry about me, but eryn may be interested |
| 05:26.38 | steffen123__ | but thanks :) |
| 05:27.00 | unkmar | I know those SATA interfaces went with the failed RAID. Thankfully there were other SATA ports availalbe to revive the system with. |
| 05:27.27 | steffen123__ | sounds like some form of hw or pseudo-/fake-hw raid |
| 05:27.54 | crapeau | steffen123__ : I don't think so. The guest seem to do is thing: 1024x768, but the host scale it to your resolution 1280x1024 |
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| 05:28.15 | steffen123__ | crapeau, no its not scaling, it definitely changes resolution in the guest |
| 05:28.42 | steffen123__ | font sizes etc. are unchanged on-screen, so it must change res, unless im missing sth |
| 05:29.10 | steffen123__ | crapeau, think i found it. i didnt install all the necessary packages |
| 05:29.20 | nevyn | xk: running a routing daemon is reaonsable. |
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| 05:29.30 | nevyn | rip2 or such in zebra |
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| 05:30.46 | crapeau | steffen123__: with qemu, i can scale the guest screen, wo changing the guest xorg resolution.... |
| 05:30.49 | steffen123__ | crapeau, yep, also needed virtualbox-ose-guest-x11, now it works :) |
| 05:31.18 | steffen123__ | i can change the size of the guest-window on the host, and the guest automatically changes its resolution to fit the new size |
| 05:32.20 | crapeau | steffen123__: Mmm, interesting.... |
| 05:32.34 | steffen123__ | its a very neat feature |
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| 05:33.36 | xk | hm... ripng is ipv6 only? |
| 05:33.57 | steffen123__ | works even tho i'm using vbox 3.2.12 on the host but debian comes with the 3.2.10 additions |
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| 05:35.15 | xk | ok, it is ipv6 only :o |
| 05:37.13 | unkmar | ripng? |
| 05:37.46 | steffen123__ | crapeau, you got me uncertain now, but i checked with xrandr - def. the res :) |
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| 05:38.14 | steffen123__ | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/358145/ |
| 05:38.29 | xk | are you asking what is ripng? |
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| 05:39.59 | unkmar | xk: yeah, chatting about over hear and still willing to expand my linux of all things linux. so, what is ripng? |
| 05:40.20 | crapeau | steffen123__: virtualbox is different from qemu, in many ways. |
| 05:40.28 | xk | RIPng is the ipv6 version of RIP, the oldschool routing protocol. |
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| 05:40.55 | steffen123__ | crapeau, yeah. are you using plain qemu or qemu-kvm? |
| 05:41.25 | crapeau | steffen123__ : it depends of the host: ppc or ix86 |
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| 05:44.04 | crapeau | steffen123__ : on powerpc, i use qemu. |
| 05:46.51 | steffen123__ | i see |
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| 05:57.55 | xk | cool. quagga's pretty much like IOS interface :) |
| 05:59.05 | xk | there we go. redistribute static routes into OSPF |
| 05:59.10 | xk | works sweet |
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| 06:01.29 | simonrvn | quagga is nice. though an old isp of mine switched to bsd boxen because quagga couldn't keep up. that was many years ago though, and it's changed a lot. |
| 06:01.41 | simonrvn | g'night |
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| 06:03.02 | xk | i'll add job security by using ospf ;) |
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| 06:04.12 | xk | hm... how to commit the routes? |
| 06:04.15 | xk | it's being detected, but not applying it |
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| 06:06.37 | xk | there we go. just needed to restart quagga since it was previously an extnerally defined static route |
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| 06:22.06 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Any ideas how do I get my sound card working in Squeeze? I have this: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller |
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| 06:30.31 | comradekingu | hid3: select it in aslamixer |
| 06:30.44 | comradekingu | Is it a hdmi soundcard? |
| 06:31.46 | hid3 | comradekingu: it's an integrated sound card in Dell Vostro 420 machine... |
| 06:32.02 | hid3 | also, when I run alsaconfig, it says no sound cards found |
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| 06:38.06 | hid3 | Any ideas? |
| 06:39.15 | blast_hardcheese | Is there a way to purge configs while doing an aptitude reinstall? |
| 06:39.31 | blast_hardcheese | Trying to downgrade from sid to testing on a box I didn't realize was on sid |
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| 06:39.36 | streuner__ | hid3: please show us what you get with "lspci -v | grep -i audio" |
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| 06:42.32 | streuner__ | hid3 apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` && apt-get install oss4-dkms oss4-base |
| 06:44.19 | streuner__ | blast_hardcheese: i have no idea about aptitiude - just purge the config files via apt-get --purge <package> and reinstall it then, it should be similar with aptitude |
| 06:44.27 | cafuego | blast_hardcheese: There might be a --force-conf-something along the lines of --force-confmiss. Check the man page. |
| 06:44.54 | blast_hardcheese | cafuego: I'll look again, didn't see anything under the reinstall subsection |
| 06:44.57 | streuner__ | dpkg, listvals force-confmiss |
| 06:44.59 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'force-confmiss' by value (2): fonts.alias ;; confmiss. |
| 06:45.06 | streuner__ | dpkg, confmiss |
| 06:45.06 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>. |
| 06:45.09 | cafuego | blast_hardcheese: Actually, that's a dpkg option. |
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| 06:45.40 | blast_hardcheese | Gotcha |
| 06:45.42 | hid3 | streuner__: here's the output: http://pastebin.com/iV05MSdB |
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| 06:46.19 | streuner__ | hid3: sure, Intel - just use OSS4 then |
| 06:46.50 | cafuego | blast_hardcheese: in theory dpkg -i --force-confnew <pkg> would wipe the old config. That includes customisations. |
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| 06:46.55 | streuner__ | hid3: you need kernel-headers first |
| 06:47.14 | blast_hardcheese | cafaro: Waiting for the box to come back up, then I'll try that |
| 06:47.23 | cafuego | blast_hardcheese: that's not my nick ;-) |
| 06:47.33 | blast_hardcheese | Whoops, misfire! |
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| 06:47.55 | hid3 | streuner__: ok, I installed those packages, but what's next? alsaconfig can't find anything... |
| 06:48.07 | hid3 | *alsaconf, I mean |
| 06:48.29 | streuner__ | hid3: oss4-gtk |
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| 06:49.03 | streuner__ | hid3: thats the package which is similar like alsaconfig, but for OSS4 |
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| 06:49.58 | Elfish | anyone knows why debian refuses to boot from a pata hdd in ahci mode? |
| 06:50.03 | Elfish | it works fine in compatible mode |
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| 06:50.45 | hid3 | streuner__: unfortunately `which oss4-gtk` shows nothing but `dpkg -l | grep oss4-gtk` shows it to be installed.. quite strange |
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| 06:51.07 | Elfish | oh and i'm running 64bit debian |
| 06:51.15 | blast_hardcheese | cafuego: No wonder the box wasn't coming back, the boot drive configuration in the bios got confused ;) |
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| 06:51.41 | streuner__ | hid3: ossmix? |
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| 06:52.25 | Parsifal | hid3: It'd be ossxmix |
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| 06:52.43 | Parsifal | You can see the contents of a package by running "dpkg -L packagename" |
| 06:52.47 | streuner__ | hid3: yeah, listen to Parsifal, its ossxmix, sorry |
| 06:53.14 | blast_hardcheese | cafuego: Negatory, dpkg -i --force-confnew did not succeed in recreating a file I deleted |
| 06:53.40 | streuner__ | hid3: btw, what kernel do you have? |
| 06:54.03 | streuner__ | newer kernels doesnt work in Debian... |
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| 06:54.26 | streuner__ | because oss4 is outdated in Debian |
| 06:54.28 | blast_hardcheese | cafuego: Ah well. just did a --extract and copied the file by hand |
| 06:54.51 | blast_hardcheese | cafuego: I did a downgrade from sid to testing as best as I could, but /etc/issue still says wheezy/sid |
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| 06:55.27 | blast_hardcheese | actually, I must be having a REALLY bad day |
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| 06:55.40 | blast_hardcheese | that's what it should say, haha |
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| 06:56.10 | blast_hardcheese | cafuego: Thanks a lot for the help, even if I didn't end up needing it now, I have in the past and I'm sure to in the future. |
| 06:56.25 | blast_hardcheese | added that -i --force-confnew to long term storage |
| 06:56.28 | Elfish | noone got an idea? :( |
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| 06:58.57 | hid3 | streuner__: it's 2.6.32-5-amd64, the default in Squeeze |
| 06:59.16 | Parsifal | hid3: That'll work |
| 06:59.23 | Parsifal | It's only 2.6.36 and newer that it breaks on |
| 06:59.31 | hid3 | LOL, I can hear some test sound in Gnome, but nothing plays (no movies, no mp3, etc..) |
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| 06:59.59 | hid3 | (System->Prefrences->Sound that app is able to give some sounds) |
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| 07:01.11 | Parsifal | hid3: Create /etc/asound.conf and put this in it: http://paste.debian.net/111676/ |
| 07:01.17 | Parsifal | Then install the package libasound2-plugins |
| 07:01.27 | Parsifal | That will let (most) ALSA programs use OSS |
| 07:01.36 | Leoneof | hello, i want to use external mic instead of built-in mic in laptop. |
| 07:04.24 | streuner__ | Parsifal: Are you a DD by any chance? |
| 07:04.39 | Parsifal | streuner__: No, why? |
| 07:05.17 | streuner__ | Parsifal: because we need somebody to make 4.2-build2004 :-P |
| 07:05.41 | Parsifal | Heh. I use kFreeBSD now anyway, OSS works much better on it than Linux. |
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| 07:07.20 | streuner__ | !dbugs 619272 |
| 07:07.24 | dpkg | #619272:N[oss4-dkms] oss4-dkms: Does not support linux 2.6.37 (); Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:24:05 UTC [] |
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| 07:09.06 | LinuxGuy2009 | I would like to report a big problem with the Update 6.0.1 DVD image that renders it useless. Who do I need to tell? |
| 07:09.20 | ElDiabolo_ | Hi. I have opened http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=619283 , which has been closed. I consider reopening it, because a valid configuration should not be messed up by background magic. Any Opinions? |
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| 07:10.16 | dserban | Any way I can see which controller a hard drive is connected to via the console? |
| 07:11.56 | ElDiabolo_ | dserban, maybe hwinfo can tell you. |
| 07:16.00 | streuner__ | LinuxGuy2009: sounds like a question for #debian-boot (OFTC) |
| 07:16.31 | streuner__ | LinuxGuy2009: or/and for a ML debian-boot |
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| 07:32.28 | LarryG4th | hello? I just finished downloading Debian 6 (32-bit) all 8 DVD's. can I just download the 1st 64-bit DVD and use the dvd2 thru dvd8 from the 32-bit versions I copied, OR are the APP DVDs differnet between 32 and 64?? |
| 07:32.40 | xk | all different |
| 07:32.53 | xk | you dont need all DVDs |
| 07:33.05 | xk | only if you want to install debian on an island in the middle of nowhere with shonky internet |
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| 07:34.05 | LarryG4th | Nutz ! I thought as much.....may have wasted my download.... |
| 07:34.19 | LarryG4th | good points all.... |
| 07:34.31 | xk | and to send it via post. |
| 07:34.34 | xk | instead of using harddrives |
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| 07:36.55 | LarryG4th | Is the kfreeBSD 64-bit version as not ready for primetime as i have read? Trying to try out ZFS which is why i looked into the 64-bit version |
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| 07:41.29 | LarryG4th | thank you for the help "XK"... |
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| 07:42.03 | xk | according to the wiki page, no one has made any comments about using kfreebsd in production |
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| 07:43.23 | LarryG4th | ? Factoy production? oh, you mean a production "Finished" version? |
| 07:44.00 | xk | production as in... dealing with mission critical data / environment |
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| 07:44.50 | LarryG4th | Thanks, no I just want to play with the ZetaByte File System ZFS.... |
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| 07:47.18 | Parsifal | LarryG4th: I am using kfreebsd-amd64 now, works perfectly fine for normal use. |
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| 07:48.21 | LarryG4th | Parsifal, do you remember wherre on the net you got that version? the debian site? |
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| 07:48.57 | Parsifal | LarryG4th: Yes, I used the official Debian 6.0.0 installer and then upgraded to sid. |
| 07:49.46 | LarryG4th | Pardon my ignorance....i'm still pretty new to linux... SID? |
| 07:50.05 | Parsifal | Sid is the unstable release of Debian, where active development occurs. |
| 07:50.54 | Parsifal | LarryG4th: See http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 07:52.18 | LarryG4th | so all i really need to do is decide if i want to run the 64-bit version or not...any problems by using 64-bit? |
| 07:53.54 | Parsifal | LarryG4th: Not that I've noticed. |
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| 07:56.23 | LarryG4th | Well, I anve a spare 72GB partition space on my primary hard drive after windows XP Pro....I think I will try the 64-bit version....i appreciate the help.... |
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| 07:58.49 | ethanol | morning |
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| 08:08.36 | rswarbrick | Hi there! Quick ungoogleable question: I've installed Squeeze onto a new machine and, when you shut down, the (wired) network light stays on. I presume this is some clever wake-on-lan type thing. Does anyone know how to disable it? Or what package is responsible? (It doesn't happen with Windows, says girlfriend...) |
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| 08:09.10 | jeff_hann | rswarbrick: wake on lan is a BIOS thing |
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| 08:10.00 | rswarbrick | Hmm, I was just guessing on what the light meant: I don't really know. Any ideas on whether the OS can control it? |
| 08:10.07 | jeff_hann | plus, why does it bother you if the NIC's lights stay on? |
| 08:10.29 | rswarbrick | Because the desktop computer is in the bedroom! :-) |
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| 08:10.47 | rswarbrick | (I unplugged the ethernet cable last night) |
| 08:11.04 | jeff_hann | the lights on the Ethernet card show you if there's signal on the cable and activity |
| 08:11.29 | jeff_hann | since the OS is shutdown, obviously it has little to do with it |
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| 08:11.50 | rswarbrick | Yep. Hmm. I'm going to forget about this until the machine next boots into windows. I'm not convinced girlfriend is right... |
| 08:12.15 | jeff_hann | rswarbrick: TBH, me neither :) |
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| 08:12.25 | rswarbrick | The reason I was asking was I was wondering if the OS could set a "please wake me on lan" or similar signal before shutting down or something. |
| 08:12.36 | rswarbrick | But, meh. Thanks for the feedback. |
| 08:12.38 | jeff_hann | AFAIK, it depends on hardware design (motherboard, mostly) |
| 08:12.50 | jeff_hann | anytime |
| 08:13.23 | Worf | hmm ... wake on lan setting would make sense. but i would have expected this to be a bios thing. sure, driver also messes with that. ethtools would control this from linux i guess |
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| 08:14.05 | jeff_hann | Worf: I have two desktops with the same behaviour and they both have wake on lan disabled |
| 08:14.26 | jeff_hann | and I think the issue is lower-level than ethtools :) |
| 08:15.24 | Worf | yeah ... propably the level that controls if pci cards actually could wake up something or not |
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| 08:15.58 | jeff_hann | so my take is the level is some kernel code/driver/BIOS interface |
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| 08:20.28 | rswarbrick | Thanks for all the help guys. I've just set "ethtool -s eth0 wol d" and I'll find out if it changes things next time I shut down :-) |
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| 08:21.58 | Leoneof | hi, how to disable internal mic, enable external mic? |
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| 08:23.08 | jeff_hann | Leoneof: what desktop environment? |
| 08:23.14 | b3hnam | when I install *-doc packages, where can I find them ?and how can I read them ? |
| 08:23.15 | jeff_hann | or wm |
| 08:23.26 | jeff_hann | b3hnam: /usr/share/doc |
| 08:23.41 | Leoneof | jeff_hann: gnome |
| 08:23.59 | jeff_hann | Leoneof: gnome-mixer will help you |
| 08:24.23 | jeff_hann | mute internal and raise volume/unmute the external one |
| 08:24.53 | Leoneof | jeff_hann: the problem is... external mic doesn't work. (even with my experience on Ubuntu before) |
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| 08:25.28 | jeff_hann | doesn't work e.g. you don't see it in a mixer window? |
| 08:25.30 | jeff_hann | or...? |
| 08:25.59 | Leoneof | jeff_hann: yes, i can't see option to enable external mic |
| 08:26.50 | jeff_hann | I don't use gnome, so I can't look now, but somewhere in options you cand check what channels/knobs you want to see |
| 08:26.57 | jeff_hann | s/cand/can |
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| 08:27.36 | Leoneof | jeff_hann: "Mic Jack Mode" ? |
| 08:27.36 | rswarbrick | Leoneof: I'm on Gnome now: It's bottom right. "Preferences" |
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| 08:28.01 | rswarbrick | Maybe change "Input source"? |
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| 08:28.56 | dagni | i'm about to compile kernel |
| 08:29.08 | dagni | i have latest default debian instalation |
| 08:29.16 | Leoneof | rswarbrick: ok, i'm in Preferences, what's next step? |
| 08:29.17 | dagni | and i noticed that /proc/config.gz doesnt exist |
| 08:29.30 | dagni | is there some other location from where i can get current kernel config file ? |
| 08:29.41 | jeff_hann | dagni: /boot/ |
| 08:29.55 | dagni | jeff_hann: ;D |
| 08:30.02 | dagni | thanks ;P |
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| 08:34.11 | rswarbrick | Leoneof: Well, on my machine "Input Source" is the last option |
| 08:34.36 | rswarbrick | If you turn that on, then go to the Options tab that should appear, you can select what input to use? |
| 08:34.45 | Leoneof | rswarbrick: i don't have Input Source :/ |
| 08:35.07 | rswarbrick | Fair enough. Do you have an array of "Recording" options? Switch them on and fiddle? |
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| 08:36.11 | Leoneof | on Recording tab, there are Capture, Digital, and Mux. |
| 08:36.12 | LarryG4th | by for now... |
| 08:36.20 | Leoneof | btw, it is Laptop. |
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| 08:37.01 | jeff_hann | Leoneof: the capture tab |
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| 08:38.42 | Leoneof | jeff_hann: i've Capture volume, not tab. |
| 08:39.19 | Leoneof | recording. |
| 08:39.54 | mobidev | hello |
| 08:40.02 | Leoneof | nothing new -_- |
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| 08:40.20 | mobidev | sorry, I can't find LiveCD of 6.0.1, this is normal? |
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| 08:40.49 | mobidev | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ I see only LiveCD 6.0.0 :( |
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| 08:41.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | mobidev: probably still being built |
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| 08:42.54 | mobidev | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks |
| 08:43.10 | The_Ball | I've always used djbdns (tinydns and dnscache) when setting up a home internet gateway, however in squeeze that's been dropped, what is the recommended way for a simple split horizon dns setup? a full fledged bind setup? |
| 08:43.29 | xk | The_Ball: dropped? I installed it recently on a fresh squeeze box. |
| 08:44.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | xk: its not in the squeeze main repo |
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| 08:45.16 | xk | hmm weird |
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| 08:45.39 | b3hnam | I want install bluez-bin in debian and I have this error No package 'bluez' found |
| 08:45.39 | b3hnam | But I am use bluez package is installed. |
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| 08:46.38 | The_Ball | Kamping_Kaiser, is there any squeeze repos with these packages? All I could find was ways to use old repos |
| 08:46.48 | xk | im not sure what I did |
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| 08:46.50 | _Christophe_ | Does anybody know how to retrieve al users accounts of an old debian to put them in a new fresh install ? |
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| 08:47.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | The_Ball: no idea; my dns setups are only as complex as dnsmasq :) |
| 08:47.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | _Christophe_: pull out passwd and shadow |
| 08:48.25 | jeff_hann | _Christophe_: maybe groups too |
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| 08:49.02 | _Christophe_ | and how to intergate it in the new install ? |
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| 08:49.13 | _Christophe_ | I don't want to erases the initials files |
| 08:49.25 | _Christophe_ | just integrate the old date in the new ones |
| 08:49.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | _Christophe_: what are you actually trying to do? and why? |
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| 08:50.19 | _Christophe_ | I hae anold server that I have to replace |
| 08:50.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | how old?sarge ? |
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| 08:50.40 | _Christophe_ | I have installed a new Debian on a different machine (the new one) |
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| 08:51.07 | _Christophe_ | So, I don't want to manually recreate all the old users system accounts |
| 08:51.17 | _Christophe_ | The are too much users... |
| 08:51.25 | _Christophe_ | *There |
| 08:52.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | how old is the old system? sarge or older? |
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| 08:52.49 | _Christophe_ | Debian 4.0 |
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| 08:53.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | that probably predates shadow passwords, so you may have to manually convert the passwd file |
| 08:53.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | that woul be an exercise for you |
| 08:54.16 | _Christophe_ | Mouarf, you know how to proceed? |
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| 08:58.02 | _Christophe_ | Is there a simple way to integrate old users account intoo a new debian install? |
| 08:58.25 | xk | how simple? |
| 08:58.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | _Christophe_: you've ben given the suggestions, no go and find out how to impliment them |
| 08:58.35 | epsilon | how do users authenticate? |
| 08:58.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | for a start try reading the relevant manpages |
| 08:58.55 | _Christophe_ | Ok, thanks :) |
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| 09:09.13 | bars0 | Hi all! I have a question: how to install latex but without documentation packages (which are really big) from aptitude? |
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| 09:13.29 | wizardken | he is / directory suppose to be bootable? |
| 09:13.43 | wizardken | when comp says no boot media, what did I do wrong? |
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| 09:15.26 | Seb | wizardken: corresponding partition is not marked bootable ? |
| 09:16.08 | wizardken | seb, should it? |
| 09:16.41 | Seb | wizardken: yes |
| 09:16.57 | wizardken | so where i have lilo or grub in / directory |
| 09:17.03 | wizardken | the root directory should be bootable? |
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| 09:18.57 | Seb | wizardken: whatever partition /boot is on |
| 09:19.14 | Seb | bars0: APT::Install-Recommends "0"; and APT::Install-Suggests "0"; in /etc/apt/preferences probably ? |
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| 09:27.12 | UukGoblin | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:27.18 | UukGoblin | on sid armel |
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| 09:27.34 | UukGoblin | just did a dist-upgrade from squeeze |
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| 09:33.10 | themill | UukGoblin: try using aptitude rather apt-get to do the installation. Also, pastebin the command the entire output. |
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| 09:36.43 | UukGoblin | themill, pastebin.com/uJvmQCLW |
| 09:37.17 | UukGoblin | not sure if i say, will that actually install merkaartor |
| 09:37.27 | deft_n1x | hi all, i've a question about package pinning with apt.. exist other methods to prevent to the user to install some packages? |
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| 09:38.31 | themill | ,arches libqtwebkit4 --release sid |
| 09:38.32 | judd | Package libqtwebkit4 in sid: alpha (2.1.0~2011week09-1); amd64 (2.1.0~2011week09-1); i386 (2.1.0~2011week09-1); ia64 (2.1.0~2011week09-1); mips (2.1.0~2011week09-1); powerpc (2.1.0~2011week09-1); sparc (2.1.0~2011week09-1) |
| 09:38.57 | themill | UukGoblin: ^^ it's either not been built yet on armel or can't be built on armel. See the package's QA and buildd pages for more details. |
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| 09:39.34 | Seb | UukGoblin: +1 for themill, that's sid you're running, and as such *you* have to deal with it |
| 09:39.54 | Seb | deft_n1x: if your user has root access, no :) |
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| 09:40.13 | deft_n1x | Seb: yes.. user hasn't root access |
| 09:40.38 | deft_n1x | Seb: sorry, they haven't complete control, is not powerful user |
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| 09:41.15 | deft_n1x | Seb: i need only to prevent install of some packages |
| 09:41.17 | Seb | deft_n1x: how can they install packages then ? |
| 09:41.27 | Seb | deft_n1x: sudo rights for apt-get install ? |
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| 09:43.20 | deft_n1x | Seb: yes, but if user install package that i've blacklisted i don't support them |
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| 09:52.32 | UukGoblin | ok thanks will have a look later |
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| 10:10.01 | krmX | I am having trouble joining a debian box to an existing MS Active Directory |
| 10:10.11 | krmX | I installed winbind, samba and kerberos |
| 10:10.26 | oxman | How can I install couchdb > 1.0 (clean way) on Squeeze ? |
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| 10:11.29 | krmX | ADS join did not work, falling back to RPC... |
| 10:11.29 | krmX | Enter Administrator's password: |
| 10:11.29 | krmX | Could not connect to server NZGFS01 |
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| 10:12.17 | witchdoc | hi all |
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| 10:12.20 | krmX | http://paste.debian.net/111690 |
| 10:12.37 | krmX | this is what I get when trying to join the debian box to the domain |
| 10:13.58 | krmX | what am I doing wrong? |
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| 10:16.02 | shurikas | anyone setup apache2 with subversion? I can't find a way to restrict access to repositories. All of them allows anonymous access even though I am using Basic authentication with passwd file |
| 10:16.57 | shurikas | and tried adding restrictions in repository conf/svnserve.conf file |
| 10:17.00 | shurikas | nothing helps :/ |
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| 10:35.18 | petemc | you sure you dont want to use /dev/zero ? |
| 10:35.25 | deathzor | dokma: ctrl + c when its 21MB or use dd |
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| 10:35.29 | UukGoblin | dokma, dd bs=1M count=21 ... |
| 10:35.31 | dokma | petemc: dev zero is fine as well |
| 10:35.40 | dokma | UukGoblin: aahhhh yes yes yes |
| 10:35.46 | dokma | UukGoblin: that's it |
| 10:38.06 | quup | hi, I used checkinstall and now apt-get is all broke. 'apt-get dist-upgrade' gives: http://pastebin.com/FuTpQ81B and 'apt-get --dry-run -f install' gives: http://pastebin.com/xXimApgb and 'apt-get remove python-jsonrpc' gives: http://pastebin.com/rBtxQeXa where do I go from here? |
| 10:39.06 | quup | I think python-jsonrpc that I tried to install somehow said it provides python, which is causing all kinds of mess |
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| 10:44.41 | gnugr | quup: i guess you mess things up with your repos, check out repos here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/debian-squeeze-repositories-709694/ |
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| 10:45.57 | quup | gnugr: nah, the problem is that checkinstall made some broken package(I think it says it provides python) that failed to install and I don't know how to undo so to speak |
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| 10:47.23 | gnugr | quup: check your synapric and remove broken packages, then reinstall them |
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| 10:51.09 | xk | use aptitude to fix your broken system. |
| 10:51.26 | xk | aptitude has an intelligent dependency checking and resolution system |
| 10:52.38 | quup | xk: catch22, can't install aptitude :) |
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| 10:56.53 | quup | can I remove specific version of a package? |
| 10:57.23 | quup | I see now that a package called "python" with version "jsonrpc-1" wants to be installed, which is clearly wrong since that is not even python |
| 10:57.53 | quup | currently has: Status: install ok unpacked |
| 10:58.04 | xk | I'd butcher the status file |
| 10:58.06 | xk | :) |
| 10:58.17 | quup | :) |
| 10:58.18 | quup | where is that? |
| 10:58.22 | xk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:58.29 | xk | look for the jsonrpc package |
| 10:58.33 | xk | make it "installed" |
| 10:58.37 | xk | then fix it from there |
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| 10:59.06 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I've upgraded from Lenny to Squeeze and not Evolution (the mail client) has got 'Work Online' an 'Send/Receive mail' buttons disabled. I can't enable then and can't get it to receive or ssend any main. Help me please! :( |
| 10:59.07 | quup | can't I mark it to be removed? |
| 10:59.16 | gnugr | xk: /var/lib or /var/cache ? |
| 10:59.19 | quup | or maybe even just comment it out :D |
| 10:59.19 | xk | well... it wants to be installed |
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| 10:59.37 | quup | I don't want it installed though, i'll try removing it completely and take it from there |
| 10:59.47 | xk | well |
| 10:59.49 | xk | do whatever :) |
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| 11:00.18 | xk | ok, you're right |
| 11:00.21 | xk | make it removed / not installed |
| 11:00.53 | xk | (look for another entry that appears as not installed, copy how that is done) |
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| 11:04.27 | hamid_rostami | I have a problem with nautilus after upgrade from lenny to squeeze, when I trying to open Trash, give me this error: Could not display "trash:". |
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| 11:05.22 | hamid_rostami | same problem with place>computer, place>network |
| 11:05.22 | gnugr | quup: configuration pachages must also be removed |
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| 11:05.42 | simonrvn | they changed stuff.. you probaly gotta log out, and maybe refresh your prefs |
| 11:05.46 | simonrvn | hamid_rostami: ^^ |
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| 11:06.21 | gnugr | packages *** even |
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| 11:07.29 | quup | xk: Thanks! replaced with the correct python package description from apt-cache show :D |
| 11:07.55 | xk | and install aptitude just in case it happens again |
| 11:08.09 | quup | haha yea |
| 11:08.48 | Elfish | seems like ahci is really a sata feature :o |
| 11:08.55 | Elfish | no wonder it doesn't work for ide hdds lol |
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| 11:10.06 | hamid_rostami | simonrvn: i upgrade a week ago to squeeze |
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| 11:28.51 | krmX | what is the easiest way to join a squeeze box to a MS AD domain? |
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| 11:29.03 | krmX | I tried likewise-open but got a bunch of errors when starting |
| 11:29.16 | krmX | also net join does not work |
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| 11:30.33 | abrotman | krmX: as a member? should be lots of docs on the intarweb? |
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| 11:40.41 | lapsusbrutus | im missing some "locale settings" in a chroot environment.. Gives me errors when installing squid.. Anyone knows how to fix? |
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| 11:41.36 | lapsusbrutus | error looks like this:"locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory" |
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| 11:43.17 | krmX | abrotman: this is what I get when trying to join the box to the domain > http://paste.debian.net/111701 |
| 11:43.26 | nevyn | w |
| 11:43.39 | abrotman | your server is called "SERVER" ? |
| 11:43.45 | krmX | and yes, lot of docs but different information on how to do it |
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| 11:43.48 | krmX | no it's not |
| 11:43.59 | krmX | I edited the real name out and the domain name |
| 11:44.01 | abrotman | krmX: did you look in /usr/share/doc/samba/ ? |
| 11:44.09 | abrotman | or samba-common |
| 11:44.14 | krmX | yes |
| 11:44.28 | krmX | I set up smb.conf accordingly |
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| 11:48.44 | abrotman | i would send you to #samba .. but usually no one home |
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| 11:50.18 | krmX | thx anyway |
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| 11:56.51 | abrotman | krmX: read this one? http://zeldor.biz/2010/12/debian-join-windows-domain/ |
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| 12:00.21 | krmX | abrotman: I haven't, thx I will give it a try |
| 12:00.31 | niooins | hello. is everyone able to post in all debian mailing lists without subscribing? |
| 12:00.44 | abrotman | krmX: FWIW: google "debian squeeze join ad domain" found that as the first hit |
| 12:00.53 | abrotman | niooins: i don't think all .. .but many |
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| 12:01.30 | niooins | why exactly is that? you expect all people to run local stuff to filter the spam from them? |
| 12:02.04 | niooins | i understand the being accessible argument though |
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| 12:02.31 | krmX | abrotman: I used slightly different search terms |
| 12:03.19 | abrotman | niooins: i don't think it's about spam .. |
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| 12:03.43 | c0nsense | Hello! i need block some websites on a LOCAL machine debian lenny, try block using /etc/hosts/ for example: blocking www.gmail.com - gmail.com and *.gmail.com but if i access google.com/accounts gmail OPEN! how to solve this problem? ;/ |
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| 12:04.10 | abrotman | c0nsense: how many is some? |
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| 12:04.45 | c0nsense | abrotman: sorry!? |
| 12:05.06 | niooins | abrotman: i didnt say they dont require subscription so that they get more spam. they do probably do in order to more accessible. but that way they're more accessible to spammers as well |
| 12:05.19 | abrotman | c0nsense: i mean, more than just those two? |
| 12:06.05 | c0nsense | abrotman: yeah! i need block facebook.com - orkut.com - twitter.com - GMAIL. |
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| 12:07.25 | abrotman | c0nsense: something like squid+dansguardian is probably more like what you want |
| 12:07.34 | stefunz | hey, since i upgraded to debian squeeze, i get an error 500 on an PHP-error instead of getting it echoed... why is that? how can i fix that? |
| 12:07.50 | c0nsense | abrotman: but it's run in localhost? |
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| 12:08.14 | abrotman | you can if you want to .. you just have to point your browser at the proxy port |
| 12:08.51 | abrotman | fair warning, it can be a bit overzealous |
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| 12:34.37 | abrotman | what does it tell you? |
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| 12:52.58 | WormFood | aptitude safe-upgrade \n open: 434003; closed: 365608; defer: 16148; conflict: 10880 <-- WTF?!? it has been running for over 20 hours now |
| 12:53.10 | themill | WormFood: upgrading from what to what? |
| 12:53.22 | WormFood | testing |
| 12:53.39 | themill | you probably need to do a "full-upgrade" rather than a "safe-upgrade". |
| 12:54.16 | WormFood | it wants to remove too many packages...suggesting I remove gnome |
| 12:55.08 | WormFood | do I just need to wait a little longer for those other packages to be updated? |
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| 12:56.44 | themill | ask it for other solutions, perhaps giving it a hint as to what you want (e.g. +gnome at the [Y/n/q/?] prompt) |
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| 12:59.24 | nadar | hi |
| 12:59.42 | justin | or just use apt-get :) |
| 13:01.08 | nadar | i got a problem networks. i have a PC lately connected in a network with 192.168.178.*. now it is in a network with 192.168.2.* and dhcp still looks at 192.168.178.1 for a dhcp-service |
| 13:01.09 | nadar | how can ich fix that? |
| 13:01.43 | themill | justin: actually, in that sort of case, apt-get is more likely to just give up entirely. |
| 13:02.00 | justin | I've never had any problems like that with apt-get |
| 13:02.10 | justin | at least if it IS going to have a problem it doesn't take 20 hours to do so |
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| 13:02.55 | nadar | besides "route" outputs no route |
| 13:04.04 | cobe571 | hello everyone I'm having problems rather critical ... oftentimes the x server do not log, blocking the computer and the only solution is to reset the computer and restart it |
| 13:04.30 | cobe571 | auth log said: http://www.pasteall.org/20166 |
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| 13:05.19 | cobe571 | user-log said : bonobo-activation-server ... Could not associated with desktop session: Failed to connect to socket ... Connection refused |
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| 13:06.18 | justin | nadar: ifdown eth0;ifup eth0? |
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| 13:08.00 | nadar | justin: running ifdiown eth0 gives DHCPRELEASE on eth0 to 192.168.178.1 port 67 |
| 13:08.06 | justin | there you go |
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| 13:08.17 | justin | now do the second of the two commands I told you to run |
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| 13:09.05 | nadar | but thats the dhcp-server from the old network |
| 13:09.07 | nadar | doesn't exist eanymore |
| 13:09.42 | nadar | running ifup eth0 asks several times for dhcpoffers until it gives up |
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| 13:12.36 | justin | nadar: do you know what "DHCPRELEASE" means? |
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| 13:15.04 | nadar | justin: not really |
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| 13:15.54 | nadar | grepping recursively for 192.168.178 through /etc/* gave me no result |
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| 13:18.19 | cobe571 | I'm having crtical problems: oftentimes the server X do not log block the computer ... the only solution is to reset the computer and restart it |
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| 13:19.45 | abrotman | cobe571: huh? |
| 13:20.16 | cobe571 | yes abrotman im looking into log files to understand it |
| 13:20.20 | hochron | I bought a domain from godaddy.com for $12 a year, did I need to upgrade my package for $8 a month to use it as an apache server? |
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| 13:20.49 | cobe571 | abrotman - user-log said : bonobo-activation-server ... Could not associated with desktop session: Failed to connect to socket ... Connection refused |
| 13:21.32 | cobe571 | i dont know why |
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| 13:29.09 | _Christophe_ | Does anybody know how I could import samba user passwords from an older server? |
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| 13:31.18 | nadar | justin: no further hints? |
| 13:31.36 | justin | nadar: your dhcp server is broken? |
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| 13:32.28 | nadar | justin: don't think so. i restartet it recently and other boxes get IPs via dhcp |
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| 13:32.44 | nadar | maybe i should purge and reinstall networkstuff |
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| 13:33.00 | justin | nadar: no |
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| 13:33.09 | upp | i have isntall debian 6 on VM, and i have try to ssh it, and i get connexion refused, i don't have anything on hosts.deny and allow |
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| 13:33.24 | abrotman | cobheranaway! |
| 13:33.27 | petemc | upp: is sshd running? |
| 13:33.43 | simonrvn | nadar: the windows way of doing things is often not a useful solution |
| 13:33.59 | upp | petemec: yes but ps don't show me ssh |
| 13:34.43 | petemc | upp: /etc/init.d/ssh status |
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| 13:36.28 | nadar | simonrvn: for one: in don't know where config files and such are spredad, for the other: this way i found out that /var/lib/dhcp contained an old, wrong dhcp.lease |
| 13:37.20 | upp | petemc: yes it'S running |
| 13:38.16 | nadar | *i don't know where config files and such are spread |
| 13:38.39 | petemc | upp: netstat -puant | grep ssh , as root |
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| 13:41.09 | upp | petemc tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1854/sshd tcp6 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN 1854/sshd |
| 13:41.56 | envirocbr | pastebin please |
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| 13:42.12 | drwahl | i'm trying to install sid/wheezy on a new macbook pro. it has a BCM57765 chipset for eth0, which from what i read, is supported in 2.6.34 (and up). when i installed the daily build using net install, the 2.6.32 kernel was installed. is there a way to do a fresh install with a newer kernel? |
| 13:42.22 | envirocbr | upp: iptables --list |
| 13:42.33 | petemc | upp: that looks fine, are you running a firewall? or could there be a firewall between you and the host? |
| 13:42.36 | envirocbr | see if there are any rules in there that are not allowing it to connect |
| 13:42.56 | upp | yes i'm running iptables |
| 13:43.25 | envirocbr | upp: Is there a managed switch wigth STP enabled on the network? I have seen issues with bridged networks/VM's that cause a blocking state to be initiated because there is a loop created in the network |
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| 13:43.40 | envirocbr | upp: Check your rules, setup a rule to explicitly allow then |
| 13:43.42 | upp | there isn't any rule |
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| 13:44.20 | justin | upp: hosts.deny has absolutely nothing to do with your problem if you are getting 'connection refused' |
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| 13:44.56 | upp | host.deny and allow are empty |
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| 13:46.07 | upp | http://pastebin.com/ZLTuuy7M |
| 13:46.28 | justin | upp: hosts.deny has absolutely nothing to do with your problem if you are getting 'connection refused' |
| 13:46.34 | justin | upp: read that until you understand it |
| 13:47.06 | upp | no sorry i get another thing |
| 13:47.22 | justin | another thing? |
| 13:47.27 | Natasiel | what could be used to log and analyze connections on a firewall? google didn't really help |
| 13:47.33 | upp | i get server unexpectedly closed network connection |
| 13:48.09 | justin | upp: from another machine do 'telnet vm 22' what happens? |
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| 13:51.07 | JyZyXEL | anybody aware of a hex editor that can be used with command line commands? |
| 13:51.47 | rudi_s | JyZyXEL: command line commands? |
| 13:51.57 | SPF | JyZyXEL: try hexdump |
| 13:52.18 | JyZyXEL | you can edit with hexdump? |
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| 13:54.09 | JyZyXEL | how? |
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| 13:56.11 | SPF | JyZyXEL: you cannot edit with hexdump |
| 13:56.23 | SPF | there's hexedit |
| 13:56.29 | drwahl | i'm trying to install sid/wheezy on a new macbook pro. it has a BCM57765 chipset for eth0, which from what i read, is supported in 2.6.34 (and up). when i installed the daily build using net install, the 2.6.32 kernel was installed. is there a way to do a fresh install with a newer kernel? |
| 13:56.33 | SPF | that's all I know |
| 13:57.15 | rudi_s | JyZyXEL: If you like vi(m) you might like bvi. |
| 13:57.50 | Black_Prince | drwahl, you can install wheezy then manually download and install 2.6.37 or 2.6.38 kernel from sid (via usb stick or so) |
| 13:58.18 | drwahl | Black_Prince: i assume i need all the dependancies as well, right? like gcc/etc. |
| 13:58.20 | JyZyXEL | hexedit doesn't allow to edit from command line |
| 13:58.28 | Black_Prince | No |
| 13:58.33 | Black_Prince | Two packages only for linux |
| 13:58.46 | Black_Prince | And one or two for firmware |
| 13:58.46 | rudi_s | JyZyXEL: What do you mean with command line? Like vim? |
| 13:58.56 | drwahl | Black_Prince: i'll give that a shot. thanks |
| 13:59.03 | JyZyXEL | with command line arguments |
| 13:59.13 | JyZyXEL | maybe diff can do that? |
| 13:59.13 | rudi_s | JyZyXEL: And what do you want to do with them? |
| 13:59.18 | JyZyXEL | like a binary batch |
| 13:59.20 | themill | JyZyXEL: dd |
| 13:59.21 | JyZyXEL | patch |
| 13:59.25 | Black_Prince | drwahl http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6.38-1-686 |
| 13:59.39 | JyZyXEL | themill: but how do you generate hex values for dd's input? |
| 13:59.46 | drwahl | psh... who uses i386 anymore? :) |
| 13:59.50 | Black_Prince | and you'll need linux-base and maybe firmware-linux-free and firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 14:00.00 | Black_Prince | There's amd64 version too ... |
| 14:00.13 | Black_Prince | http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6.38-1-amd64 |
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| 14:00.32 | themill | JyZyXEL: any way you wish. echo can do it if you want. |
| 14:00.35 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: try tweak |
| 14:00.47 | Galaxor | Hi. I just tried to do apt-get install --reinstall redis-server, and I got this: Reinstallation of redis-server is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. What's up with that? |
| 14:01.05 | dammitjim | how do I get my bluetooth mouse to work on debian? I have bluetooth package and bluez installed, but the tutorials don't make any sense |
| 14:01.14 | Galaxor | THEN, I did apt-get update, and I got this: W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA What do I do about that? |
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| 14:01.29 | upp | justin: also with telnet ip 20 connection failed |
| 14:01.33 | Bushmills | or maybe hexcurse |
| 14:01.44 | justin | upp: 22 |
| 14:02.31 | upp | justin:sorry but not work |
| 14:02.34 | justin | upp: and the connection did not "fail" there is no such error as "connection failed" |
| 14:02.40 | justin | upp: "not work" is also not an error |
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| 14:03.29 | upp | i don't get rearly any error, i see only my c:/ |
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| 14:03.46 | Bushmills | right, it is a motivation failure |
| 14:03.47 | AthomIk | hello |
| 14:03.48 | upp | and if you want i can passt to you the ssh -v ip |
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| 14:04.35 | Bushmills | upp, how to you invoke ps, when it doesn't show sshd process? |
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| 14:06.19 | upp | only ps or ps | grep ssh |
| 14:06.40 | Bushmills | run only ps, and see what that shows you |
| 14:06.48 | upp | but with netstat -puant | grep ssh or /etc/init.d/ssh statut i see that ssh is running |
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| 14:07.03 | upp | only ps don't show ssh |
| 14:07.16 | Bushmills | only ps shows you very little, i meant to say |
| 14:07.20 | upp | i thing that's a bug, becaus that's happend after a update |
| 14:07.24 | Bushmills | try ps aux |
| 14:08.27 | upp | root 1854 0.0 0.0 49208 2496 ? Ss 11:49 0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd -D |
| 14:08.31 | upp | ok? |
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| 14:08.44 | Bushmills | so far to that there is no sshd process |
| 14:11.15 | upp | no |
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| 14:15.13 | ndrdspc | after unplugging the ethernet cable i need to reboot to reconnect. is there some other way to tell it to reconnect? pinging the router tells me "network is unreachable" |
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| 14:16.38 | bolt | ndrdspc: run "dhclient eth0", or whatever your interface is, again after connecting? |
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| 14:16.57 | dvs | ndrdspc: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 ? |
| 14:17.34 | Bushmills | ndrdspc: is there a dhcp server on the network? |
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| 14:19.39 | ndrdspc | well, now it just started working. guess i just need to wait for a few minutes. thanks for the suggestions |
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| 14:24.05 | abrotman | ndnihil: allow-hotplug eth0 ? |
| 14:24.42 | dvs | he took off |
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| 14:25.58 | abrotman | whoops .. oh well |
| 14:25.59 | upp | that's my -v http://pastebin.com/7ysDq3M3 |
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| 14:27.20 | upp | and also when i try /etc/init.d/apache2 start i get this error "libcrypto.so.0.9.8 no version information available" |
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| 14:29.29 | abrotman | upp: what is the server OS? the client OS? |
| 14:29.32 | jelly | upp: uname -a ? |
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| 14:30.28 | upp | server is ubuntu 10.04 client is debian 6 |
| 14:30.45 | dvs | that's backwards |
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| 14:32.42 | olopez_ | hi |
| 14:33.10 | dvs | allo |
| 14:33.19 | upp | abrotman:jelly: i want to say i have made a update then apache2 don't work and ssh too |
| 14:33.37 | abrotman | upp: apache2 doesn't work where? on your server? |
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| 14:34.07 | olopez_ | im trying to configure hostapd in squeeze with usb dongle with ralink chip using rt2800usb driver , it works with open mode , but not with WPA o WPA2 , here is the config and error ... http://pastebin.com/D0zYFHt8 |
| 14:34.11 | upp | yes i have paste the error |
| 14:34.22 | abrotman | upp: wait .. you're asking us to fix your Ubuntu server? |
| 14:34.27 | upp | libcrypto.so.0.9.8 no version information available |
| 14:34.44 | abrotman | upp: wait .. you're asking us to fix your Ubuntu server? |
| 14:34.57 | jelly | abrotman: tell yourself about repeat |
| 14:35.05 | abrotman | he repeated too! |
| 14:35.08 | upp | i don't know if the problem is on ubuntu or debian |
| 14:35.26 | abrotman | i doubt restarting apache on your ubuntu server and having it fail is a Debian problem |
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| 14:35.27 | dvs | he repeated to.. oh dammit! |
| 14:35.28 | abrotman | try #ubuntu |
| 14:35.32 | upp | because both system work fein |
| 14:35.49 | upp | lol |
| 14:35.52 | jelly | if they work fine, what's the problem then! |
| 14:35.52 | upp | ok i will try |
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| 14:36.09 | upp | cut can you tell me what's the difference between debian and ubunto? |
| 14:36.15 | abrotman | #ubuntu can |
| 14:36.21 | jelly | !ubuntu |
| 14:36.21 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 14:36.40 | jelly | there is also an #ubuntu-server channel if memory serves |
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| 14:43.26 | HackeMate | hello |
| 14:43.32 | HackeMate | is there a way to create a home cluster in 32bits? |
| 14:43.50 | justin | HackeMate: what? |
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| 14:43.59 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 14:44.04 | HackeMate | in example kerrighed creates a cluster from various normal computers |
| 14:44.08 | HackeMate | but it only works with 64bits machines |
| 14:44.20 | justin | "cluster" is a vague term |
| 14:44.32 | HackeMate | various machines working as only one |
| 14:44.35 | gypsymauro | if I run a rm -rf on a tree that contains links to parent folders they will be deleted? |
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| 14:45.01 | Galaxor | Ooh, it looks like kerrighed is a "single system image" style cluster. |
| 14:45.34 | HackeMate | you can link more nodes |
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| 14:46.31 | JyZyXEL | themill: so i could do like: "echo -ne "\x20\x00\x00\x00" | dd of=/dev/sdb bs=1 seek=454 count=4" |
| 14:47.22 | Galaxor | HackeMate: The wikipedia page on Single System Image lists a bunch of different software packages that can do this. Kerrighed is on that list. If I were you, I'd click through the list and see if any of them support 32bit images. |
| 14:47.34 | HackeMate | ok, there i go |
| 14:47.35 | HackeMate | thanks |
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| 14:48.33 | xeviox | hi I try to install git, but aptitude throws an error: E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/git/git_1.7.2.3-2.2_amd64.deb: 404 Not Found |
| 14:48.39 | xeviox | any ideas what's wrong? |
| 14:48.56 | justin | judd: versions git |
| 14:48.58 | judd | Package git on i386 -- lenny: 4.9.4-1; lenny-backports: 1:1.7.2.3-2.2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:1.7.2.5-1; sid: 1:1.7.4.1-3; wheezy: 1:1.7.4.1-3; experimental: 1:1.7.4.1-4 |
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| 14:49.22 | justin | xeviox: run apt-get update ? |
| 14:49.44 | xeviox | justin: ok, I tried with: aptitude install git |
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| 14:50.02 | justin | xeviox: aptitude update |
| 14:50.20 | Galaxor | HackeMate: Maybe LinuxPMI? |
| 14:50.31 | xeviox | justin: ok thanks, worked :D |
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| 14:51.41 | HackeMate | Galaxor: looks as the continuation of openmosix |
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| 14:52.13 | HackeMate | im reading if it works with 32bits |
| 14:53.06 | HackeMate | openssi looks promissing but its deb file is for debian sarge |
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| 14:53.14 | HackeMate | and is not included in the squeeze repo |
| 14:53.17 | HackeMate | looks outdated |
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| 14:54.26 | Galaxor | HackeMate: It looks like there's not actually a well-accepted, well-supported project that's doing this right now. |
| 14:54.57 | HackeMate | so damn, i have various machines that i wont recycle them |
| 14:55.03 | HackeMate | ill try some of those projects |
| 14:55.10 | HackeMate | maybe will work badly |
| 14:55.23 | Galaxor | HackeMate: Yeah. Just don't get yer hopes up too high. It sounds like fun, though. |
| 14:55.33 | HackeMate | hehe |
| 14:56.41 | dfdfsdf | hi all, doing arp -an shows the arp table with ip at mac address for every ip i can ping in my LAN, right? i don't know what happens because i can ping an ip in my LAN that has no mac associated in the arp table |
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| 14:57.50 | dfdfsdf | in my case my router is 192.168.2.1 and my local through dhcp is 192.168.2.104, and i tried to ping 192.168.100.1 and it responds but doing and arp-scan -l on my interface does not show it |
| 14:57.55 | dfdfsdf | what is happening? |
| 14:58.03 | dfdfsdf | oh |
| 14:58.13 | dfdfsdf | and nmap 192.168.100.1 shows port 80 tcpwrapped |
| 14:58.15 | dfdfsdf | as open |
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| 15:14.07 | oxman | How can I install couchdb > 1.0 (clean way) on Squeeze ? |
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| 15:14.16 | frikinz | arp is limited to your network segment. it stops at the router. you'll only see entries belonging to 192.168.2.1/255.255.255.0 |
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| 15:16.28 | oru_work | i'm reading debian documentation and it says This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command as root. |
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| 15:16.38 | oru_work | i'm typing visudo , and i get "command not found" |
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| 15:17.47 | zaltekk | oru_work: is /usr/sbin in your path? and do you have sudo installed? |
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| 15:18.04 | frikinz | oxman: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=590334 |
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| 15:18.31 | starct | hi i have an problem "new crontab file is missing newline before EOF, can't install." |
| 15:19.43 | crond | starct: open up your crontab, hit enter at the end of the file, and save it maybe. Give it what it's asking for. |
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| 15:20.52 | Deck` | how can i get libz.so from which package? |
| 15:20.57 | oru_work | zaltekk, thnx |
| 15:21.09 | zaltekk | oru_work: no problem |
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| 15:21.39 | oxman | its not really an answer :) |
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| 15:22.40 | starct | thanks crond xD |
| 15:22.55 | crond | starct: np |
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| 15:23.35 | starct | i have not think that that was all, just an new line xD |
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| 15:27.55 | frikinz | oxman: compile and keep in /usr/local ? clean is having a package but it looks like none exist.. when it arrives, you'll have to remove your own copy. that's not very clean.. |
| 15:28.12 | oxman | indeed :/ |
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| 15:31.00 | frikinz | Deck`: go to packages.debian.org and use "Search the contents of packages" |
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| 15:31.29 | crond | Deck`: or sudo apt-cache search libz |
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| 15:32.34 | oxman | http://wiki.apache.org/couchdb/Installing_with_nix what do you think about that ? |
| 15:32.38 | Deck` | frikinz yea thx, just it was fail of some program it tries to get libz.so rather than libz.so.1 ive made ln -s and now everything is ok |
| 15:32.58 | Bartzy|work | Hi |
| 15:32.58 | Bartzy|work | I'm trying to ssh -X a host |
| 15:32.58 | Bartzy|work | and it gives me: X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication |
| 15:32.59 | Bartzy|work | Do I need to install X or something ? Because it's a headless server |
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| 15:39.45 | gratnam11 | anyone know why i get this error when starting mysql |
| 15:39.47 | gratnam11 | my_print_defaults: dl-open.c:438: dl_open_worker: Assertion `imap->l_type == lt_loaded' failed. |
| 15:39.47 | gratnam11 | [11:36am] gratnam11: Starting MySQL..Manager of pid-file quit without updating file. |
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| 15:42.17 | discozohan | How can i reload resolv.conf ? |
| 15:43.12 | oru_work | how can I check which group a user belongs to |
| 15:43.44 | themill | oru_work: id username. |
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| 15:44.50 | ttiicc | hmm |
| 15:45.07 | oru_work | hmm, aparantly adding a user to group sudo, as described in debian documentation, did not give the user sudo access |
| 15:45.40 | crond | oru_work: you have to use visudo to edit the sudoers file I think. |
| 15:45.48 | themill | oru_work: how are you testing that?> |
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| 15:46.02 | ttiicc | could I watch a movie with mplayer without installing X? |
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| 15:46.09 | themill | crond: not needed if you add the user to the "sudo" group. |
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| 15:46.22 | crond | themill: oh okay, I learned something then :) |
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| 15:46.33 | jhutchins_lt | crond: you don't have to use visudo, but it's helpful, does sanity checks when you save. |
| 15:46.34 | themill | crond: it's new with squeeze |
| 15:46.36 | crond | ttiicc: yes, mplayer is a console app. |
| 15:46.36 | ttiicc | could I view a picture if I install a specific viewer without X bean installed? |
| 15:46.58 | crond | ttiicc: yes again. |
| 15:47.01 | ttiicc | crond: ok any console app for viewing pictures? |
| 15:47.05 | oru_work | themill, I added user to group sudo, made sure the user is in the group by id username, type sudo update as that user, I get user is not sudoers file |
| 15:47.11 | ttiicc | okej which one please :) |
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| 15:47.27 | themill | oru_work: did you log out and log back in? You need to do so for group changes to take effect. |
| 15:47.28 | crond | ttiicc: zgv is what I used to use ages ago, don't know about now. Just google it |
| 15:47.29 | jhutchins_lt | oru_work: Did that user log out and log back in? |
| 15:47.57 | crond | ttiicc: I haven't used console only since I had a 486, sooo yeah. |
| 15:48.33 | ttiicc | crond: thanks for the information |
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| 15:49.15 | crond | ttiicc: http://www.svgalib.org/rus/zgv/ |
| 15:49.26 | oru_work | hmm, why am I getting "sudo: update: command not found" |
| 15:49.46 | themill | !wayttd oru_work |
| 15:49.46 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, oru_work? |
| 15:50.13 | ttiicc | thanks for the help drond! |
| 15:50.15 | oru_work | themill, avoid using root |
| 15:50.27 | ttiicc | Im off to bed, will check up thath package later! |
| 15:50.31 | ttiicc | see you |
| 15:50.32 | frikinz | oru_work: you forgot to put aptitude before update? |
| 15:50.34 | themill | oru_work: yes, but why do you expect there to be a command "update"? |
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| 15:50.47 | oru_work | oh |
| 15:50.49 | oru_work | thanx |
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| 15:57.59 | lapsusbrutus | hi, just installed dhcp server (isc-dhcp-server) and I have a little problem with the leases file.. To make dhcp server start i need to touch that file.. but the man file sais touch DBDIR/dhcpd.leases.. Where would my DBDIR be on a debian squeeze? on info about isc-dhcp-server it sais /var/db/dhcpd.leases.. tried that.. but doesnt work. prosess is running on eth1, but clients dont get IPs |
| 15:58.04 | blackflys | can anyone point me in a decent direction for getting rightclick on an Elo Touchscreen working. I'm searching google but all articles are roughly 3 years old and I'm failing miserably |
| 15:58.23 | blackflys | feel free to PM |
| 16:01.01 | lapsusbrutus | ohh rage.. why couldnt there be a way of setting path in dhcpd.conf? |
| 16:01.05 | jhutchins_lt | lapsusbrutus: is DBDIR configured in the dhcpd config file? |
| 16:01.15 | lapsusbrutus | cant find it |
| 16:01.19 | jhutchins_lt | lapsusbrutus: Is it an environment variable? Is it set by startup scripts? |
| 16:01.33 | lapsusbrutus | cd $DBDIR dont send me anywhere either |
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| 16:02.29 | jhutchins_lt | lapsusbrutus: My lenny dhcpd3 has a manpage for the leases file. |
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| 16:03.10 | jhutchins_lt | lapsusbrutus: Which it puts in /var/lib/dhcp3 |
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| 16:05.39 | lapsusbrutus | jhutchins_lt: thanks :) |
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| 16:06.56 | lapsusbrutus | I just found some online help for the isc-dhcp whet it sais the default place is DBDIR/dhcpd.leases. wherever that is.. But its possible to set a new path using lease-file-name name; |
| 16:07.03 | lapsusbrutus | thank god |
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| 16:07.40 | lapsusbrutus | thanks for helping guys :) |
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| 16:11.46 | weaseal | hey all...i updated to squeeze last week from lenny. i get a bunch of udev barf on boot (goes by too fast to get any of it down)...anyone know of this/how to resolve? |
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| 16:13.14 | envirocbr | weaseal: Have you tried an interative startup? |
| 16:13.22 | weaseal | i have not |
| 16:13.35 | idella4 | resolve what exactly?? |
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| 16:13.47 | weaseal | idella4: udev seems angry. i want to make it happy. |
| 16:14.00 | idella4 | udev is temperamental at best |
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| 16:14.12 | weaseal | i was hoping this was a common issue and that someone would recognize my vague description |
| 16:14.15 | idella4 | but what is it doing out of order?? |
| 16:14.23 | Rodensky | https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=166333333415904&ref=notif¬if_t=event_invite |
| 16:14.23 | hochron | how do you netinst usind wireless? |
| 16:14.28 | weaseal | no clue...it goes by very quickly. a bunch of warning spam |
| 16:14.37 | Rodensky | oops |
| 16:14.40 | Rodensky | wrong channel |
| 16:14.44 | Rodensky | sorry :] |
| 16:14.44 | weaseal | shows up to Rodensky's birthday party |
| 16:14.47 | idella4 | checked in kernel logs? |
| 16:14.53 | idella4 | first port of call |
| 16:15.21 | weaseal | idella4: where do those live? |
| 16:15.25 | idella4 | /var/log/dmesg messages |
| 16:15.40 | weaseal | i did check "dmesg | grep udev" but it didn't show up there |
| 16:15.49 | idella4 | try sudo greo -e udev /var/log/messages |
| 16:15.58 | AthomIk | i search for cluster shell or other for parrallel bash command ? |
| 16:16.12 | idella4 | usually doesn't in dmesg |
| 16:16.18 | idella4 | /var/log/messages |
| 16:16.23 | weaseal | idella4: that gives me the same as the "dmesg | grep udev" did |
| 16:16.32 | weaseal | just starting version 164 |
| 16:16.43 | Spida | how can I set the default volume for my headphone out after booting the system? |
| 16:16.45 | idella4 | well why are attributing it to udev?? |
| 16:16.50 | hochron | is sda scsi? I have only seen hda |
| 16:17.05 | weaseal | idella4: because it said something about udev in every warning |
| 16:17.11 | Spida | hochron: scsi, sata, usb, firewire |
| 16:17.31 | idella4 | try bring up gui for system logs |
| 16:17.35 | hochron | ok Spida |
| 16:17.43 | weaseal | there's a gui for system logs?! |
| 16:17.46 | idella4 | peruse them, for udev related errors |
| 16:17.48 | weaseal | that seems counterproductive |
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| 16:18.43 | justin | the udev messages are from the udev configuration, duh |
| 16:18.53 | justin | i believe it is due to some stale files in /etc/udev/ |
| 16:19.00 | justin | pretty sure there is a factoid for it somewhere |
| 16:19.02 | weaseal | can i safely rm /etc/udev/* ? |
| 16:19.04 | justin | no |
| 16:19.07 | hochron | is it hard to do a netinstall using wireless? |
| 16:19.08 | weaseal | well i'm gonna |
| 16:19.10 | idella4 | well, right, you still require an actual udev issue to address |
| 16:19.27 | idella4 | grief noooooooooooo |
| 16:19.30 | weaseal | lol |
| 16:19.37 | justin | weaseal: then you need to reinstall udev after that otherwise your system will not work so well |
| 16:19.45 | idella4 | that would change your udev issue |
| 16:19.46 | weaseal | ok, thanks |
| 16:19.46 | justin | though that will likely stop the messages |
| 16:19.51 | weaseal | ha |
| 16:20.11 | idella4 | you can try downgrading |
| 16:20.13 | themill | (reinstall won't be enough to bring back conffiles) |
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| 16:20.25 | weaseal | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/11/msg01447.html |
| 16:20.28 | weaseal | that's what i'm seeing |
| 16:20.30 | idella4 | udevs come out very frequently |
| 16:20.32 | jelly | weaseal: ignore the bootup messagesm they're mostly harmless |
| 16:20.55 | idella4 | ther you go, no issue after all!!! |
| 16:21.08 | weaseal | cool |
| 16:21.09 | weaseal | thanks |
| 16:21.10 | themill | weaseal: babilen's reply to that post is most likely all you need to do. |
| 16:21.19 | weaseal | sweet |
| 16:21.36 | weaseal | thanks dudes |
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| 16:30.46 | lapsusbrutus | didnt get isc-dhcp-server to work.. What would be a good dhcp server to install (for home network) needs to be easy to configure.. :) I didnt think epic fail was possible on the isc-dhcp-server, until now |
| 16:31.01 | petemc | isc works well for me |
| 16:31.20 | petemc | dnsmasq might be easier to set up |
| 16:31.38 | justin | definitely dnsmasq |
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| 16:31.57 | lapsusbrutus | im running it on chroot, but shouldnt be a problem i think.. Its got access to ethX.. |
| 16:32.12 | steffen123__ | yeah dnsmasq is small&easy plus it can handle dhcp, too, if you want |
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| 16:32.31 | lapsusbrutus | petemc justin: thanks! dnsmasq here I come |
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| 16:32.45 | lapsusbrutus | I suppose its a dns server alo :) |
| 16:32.56 | lapsusbrutus | :s/alo/also/ |
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| 16:38.30 | gratnam11 | can someone help me with this error i get when i try and start the mysqld deamon |
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| 16:38.31 | gratnam11 | Starting MySQL...Manager of pid-file quit without updating file. |
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| 16:39.21 | steffen123__ | hm.. try deleting the pid file? |
| 16:39.23 | Cryp71c | For a server that is not being used for multiple hosting accounts or anything like that, is there any need to separate /home onto its own partition / virtual drive? |
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| 16:40.03 | bolt | Cryp71c: need? no. you might want to anyway though. personal preference, i guess |
| 16:40.24 | jhutchins_lt | Cryp71c: Unless you know for sure where your data is going to accumulte, it's best to have a single partition. |
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| 16:40.34 | bolt | what he said |
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| 16:41.40 | Cryp71c | thanks, do either of you have a "base" resource I can look at (preferably online) for basic things to know about administrating a linux server? I'm a linux user and plan on doing everything without a gui and whatnot, but I'm not exaclty a linux power user either. |
| 16:41.54 | erAbuelo | buenas tardes |
| 16:42.31 | bolt | Cryp71c: there's no "guide" on just administering the machine. read on debian.org about how to keep it up to date, then read specific instructions on each of the services you want the machine to provide |
| 16:43.26 | steffen123__ | Cryp71c, one important thing is to turn off root login in ssh and to use certificates (ideally pw-protected ones) to access it, rather than a plain password |
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| 16:43.40 | jhutchins_lt | Cryp71c: Actually, there IS a guide: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 16:43.59 | bolt | oh. that one. |
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| 16:44.13 | steffen123__ | minimise the number of packages installed as much possible - code that isnt present cant be executed and therefore cant be exploited |
| 16:44.18 | bolt | take a week off from work and read it :) |
| 16:46.17 | jhutchins_lt | bolt: One requirement of a competent administrator is the ability to read, and the habit of doing so regularly. |
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| 16:46.52 | gratnam11 | i don/t have a pid file |
| 16:47.02 | gratnam11 | i searched .pid in the whole file system |
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| 17:01.47 | erAbuelo | a currar un rato, talueeeg |
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| 17:06.34 | oru_work | hmm. i just created .rsa key for ssh, copied it over to another box /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys and when I try to ssh i get error: Permission denied (publickey). |
| 17:07.00 | jhutchins_lt | oru_work: Copy the wrong key? |
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| 17:07.24 | jhutchins_lt | oru_work: Wrong permissions/ownership on authorized_keys? |
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| 17:08.38 | oru_work | jhutchins, copied the right key, permission on ahtorized_keys is -rw-r--r-- 1 orudie orudie 398 2011-03-23 07:57 authorized_keys |
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| 17:09.04 | dfdf | can network interfaces be rootkited? |
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| 17:09.20 | rozie | dfdf: yes, they do |
| 17:09.25 | Cryp71c | One other thing with regard to installing / configuring debian on this server. We have two HDs and want them to be setup in Raid 1, I see I can do that during the debian expert install process, but it keeps referring to it as a "Software Raid" is there a better way of configuring the raid that is better? |
| 17:09.44 | melik | hello its my first time installing debian (coming from arch); can i use 'dd' to create a usb installation drive with debian? |
| 17:09.51 | melik | or i would use a tool similar to unetbootin |
| 17:09.54 | rozie | Cryp71c: do you have hardware raid controller? |
| 17:10.11 | jhutchins_lt | melik: Either way. |
| 17:10.17 | rozie | melik: new installers should work with dd, they're hybird |
| 17:10.19 | jhutchins_lt | !usb install |
| 17:10.19 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 17:10.24 | Cryp71c | rozie: I'm not sure, I'd have to check on the hardware specs of the system, but its a rackmount poweredge 1850, so I would THINK it would. |
| 17:10.40 | themill | dpkg: tell oru_work about ssh permissions |
| 17:10.42 | jhutchins_lt | melik: It's a good idea to look through the install guide. |
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| 17:11.13 | rozie | Cryp71c: so you can setup hardware raid and install system on created device just as on ordinary disc |
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| 17:11.33 | jhutchins_lt | Cryp71c: True Hardware Raid means using a dedicated controller that presents the array to the OS as a single drive. |
| 17:11.49 | rozie | you don't need to use software raid if you have hardvare one |
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| 17:11.55 | Cryp71c | jhutchins_lt: hardware raid is faster too, isn't it? I imagine it would be, anyways. |
| 17:12.10 | Cryp71c | since you're using the hardware's controller to manage the data transfer and writing. |
| 17:12.16 | jhutchins_lt | Cryp71c: If you get a decent controller for $350US or more it does offer performance advantages, but it is also one more piece of hardware to fail. |
| 17:12.45 | dfdf | what happends is i can ping this ip in my LAN that i have no idea who is it, this is my setup, i connect to an adsl route with ip 192.168.1.1 and i receive through dhcp the ip 192.168.1.132, but i did an nmap -sP 192.168.100.0/24 just for fun and it found 2 live ips, wich are 192.168.100.1 and 192.168.100.100 that i can then ping |
| 17:12.54 | jhutchins_lt | (Our LUG came up with the $350 price point as the mutually agreed point where it becomes worth while.) |
| 17:13.20 | Cryp71c | jhutchins_lt: well, these are built into these rackmounts that we got refurbished, but the windows systems my boss is setting up is going to use a hardware raid, and I imagine he'll want them setup for consistency. |
| 17:13.25 | rozie | well, hardware raid controllers have awful bugs in firmware |
| 17:13.28 | jhutchins_lt | dfdf: Use nmap to fingerprint them. |
| 17:13.39 | rozie | make sure you use latest stable version |
| 17:13.43 | dfdf | now it gets real strange |
| 17:13.46 | Cryp71c | rozie: yeah dell has some firmware updates. |
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| 17:14.06 | jhutchins_lt | Cryp71c: IIRC the Dells don't do full hardware raid, they still rely on drivers and on the CPU. |
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| 17:14.15 | dfdf | i did nmap -A 192.168.100.1 and it should port 80 open |
| 17:14.18 | Cryp71c | rozie: so if I'm planning on using the hardware, I should just install to one drive and ignore the other one until I get the hardware raid configured, correct? |
| 17:14.37 | Cryp71c | jhutchins_lt: even with a raid controller and a backplane (what's a backplane, anyways?) |
| 17:14.38 | thewanderer1 | dfdf: so enter it and see what it is... (my guess: Motorola modem) |
| 17:14.41 | rozie | Cryp71c: no. first you should setup raid with controller |
| 17:14.47 | dfdf | wrong |
| 17:14.51 | rozie | then you should start installation |
| 17:14.52 | dfdf | i mean ys |
| 17:14.54 | dfdf | yes |
| 17:14.57 | dfdf | webstar |
| 17:15.01 | steffen123__ | Cryp71c, depends on the capabilities of it, setup the controller first to be safe |
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| 17:15.11 | dfdf | thewanderer1, how did you know??? |
| 17:15.18 | dfdf | is it a rootkit? |
| 17:15.34 | thewanderer1 | dfdf: got one modem here. it's common for modems from ISPs to use that address, it seems. |
| 17:15.35 | spermonface | I've build 2.6.38 kernel? where can I get linux-headers? |
| 17:15.42 | jhutchins_lt | Cryp71c: Backplane is mostly a buzzword - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backplane |
| 17:15.46 | thewanderer1 | spermonface: from the kernel tree! |
| 17:15.46 | dfdf | can't be |
| 17:15.48 | rozie | spermonface: build them |
| 17:15.51 | thought-scorpion | hello |
| 17:15.53 | Cryp71c | steffen123__: grrr! Not even sure what RC is present..let alone how to use it. After the bios and post, I do see several prompts go by with "Press this button to access <some software name that I'm unfamiliar with>" |
| 17:15.56 | dfdf | it's just my router with ip 192.168.1.1 and me |
| 17:15.59 | Cryp71c | I imagine one of those prompts is for the raid controller? |
| 17:16.03 | dfdf | i don't have another router in my house |
| 17:16.05 | dfdf | connected |
| 17:16.16 | rozie | spermonface: man make-kpkg, different target there |
| 17:16.22 | steffen123__ | Cryp71c, one would think so. you can run lspci to find out, or check windows device manager |
| 17:16.42 | thewanderer1 | dfdf: and the router is hooked up to what? a modem? :P anyway, this sounds like an issue for ##networking |
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| 17:17.08 | Cryp71c | And should I update the firmware before I setup the initial raid and install debian, or can I safely update the firmware after I do all that? |
| 17:17.32 | dfdf | i don't think so, it's not a networking problem, since i just have one adsl router that works with ip 192.168.1.1 and my pc with ip 192.168.1.132, nothing else connected |
| 17:17.33 | rozie | Cryp71c: irrevelant |
| 17:17.37 | dfdf | still i can ping this ip |
| 17:17.45 | dfdf | but there shold be just 2 ips |
| 17:17.53 | rozie | Cryp71c: just don't use it as production system before upgrade |
| 17:18.01 | dfdf | arp -an shows just the router |
| 17:18.04 | steffen123__ | dfdf, that adsl router will have the adsl modem built-in |
| 17:18.08 | dfdf | with ip and it's mac address |
| 17:18.14 | Cryp71c | rozie: sorry for so many dumb questions, one last one (hopefully): Once the raid is correctly setup, will debian still show two disks during the installation process, or does the RC present them as a single disk. |
| 17:18.27 | steffen123__ | and there should be 3 IPs: your LAN IP, the router's LAN IP, and the routers WAN IP, ie. the IP that your provider assigned to you |
| 17:18.31 | dfdf | so that means the router has 2 ips? |
| 17:18.32 | rozie | Cryp71c: it will look like single disc |
| 17:18.33 | thought-scorpion | i recently aquired "Debian/GNU Linux for Dummies", is this a good place to start if i want to get to grips with Debian? |
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| 17:19.04 | rozie | Cryp71c: only software for raid management/diagnostics will know it's raid |
| 17:19.08 | dfdf | i don't get a public ip on my pc, the router gets it |
| 17:19.14 | ymasory | hi. does '-y' on apt-get suppress the display of release notes? |
| 17:19.15 | dfdf | it's not cable modem |
| 17:19.18 | dfdf | it's adsl |
| 17:19.26 | steffen123__ | dfdf, yeah exactly |
| 17:19.26 | yebyen | has anyone done libdbi with sqlite? i'm trying to update the ferite libdbi implementation to support sqlite, it's not very big, i'm trying to find the correct connect invocation, since it's not likely to have parameters like username or hostname |
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| 17:19.51 | yebyen | and those are hardcoded into the ferite driver to support pgsql/mysql through libdbi |
| 17:19.56 | steffen123__ | sorry i was inconsisten with my use of the term "your" there |
| 17:20.24 | steffen123__ | the first "your" was referring to your computer, the second "your" was referring to you as a person. if that makes more sense. sorry for rambling |
| 17:20.43 | dfdf | but |
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| 17:21.06 | yebyen | it's hard to google past the perl code, i need it in c |
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| 17:21.25 | dfdf | a little while ago i went to http://192.168.100.1 and it showed the startpage of a webstart epc2100r2 cable modem |
| 17:21.35 | dfdf | and my modem is an adsl SMC modem |
| 17:21.41 | dfdf | isn't that strange? |
| 17:21.43 | steffen123__ | that's certainly very strange |
| 17:21.46 | dfdf | at least? |
| 17:21.48 | dfdf | well |
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| 17:22.27 | dfdf | it says it's connected and everything, now showing the ip that it should have assigned but showing the cable signal and it's crazy |
| 17:22.28 | yebyen | maybe i should just write this code in go... |
| 17:22.34 | dfdf | i don't have a cable modem inside my house |
| 17:22.37 | steffen123__ | for a start you shouldnt be able to connect to 192.168.100.* addresses if your IP is 192.168.1.* (unless you have an advanced setup with multiple LANs) |
| 17:22.38 | rozie | dfdf: is your card broadcom? |
| 17:22.40 | dfdf | not even cable! |
| 17:22.58 | dfdf | my network card? |
| 17:23.03 | rozie | yes |
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| 17:23.34 | rozie | but I rather think you ISP allows for some strange routing |
| 17:23.36 | dfdf | i did lspci -v | grep -i broadcom and it doesn't show |
| 17:23.40 | dfdf | so i guess not |
| 17:23.51 | rozie | lspci | grep -i network ;-) |
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| 17:24.24 | dfdf | nope it's atheros, i connect with wireless to my modem |
| 17:24.37 | dfdf | using ath5k as driver |
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| 17:24.40 | dfdf | no problem there anyway |
| 17:24.50 | dfdf | my eth0 interface i have it down |
| 17:25.10 | rozie | well, so you have wifi router and modem? |
| 17:25.17 | dfdf | all in one |
| 17:25.25 | dfdf | adsl wifi modem router |
| 17:25.41 | rozie | OK... and you use WPA or what? |
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| 17:25.49 | dfdf | wep |
| 17:25.51 | dfdf | in my house |
| 17:25.55 | dfdf | it's not cracked |
| 17:26.02 | rozie | how do you know? |
| 17:26.04 | dfdf | arp-scal -l |
| 17:26.09 | dfdf | and inside my modem |
| 17:26.15 | dfdf | i can see the dhclient table |
| 17:26.28 | abrotman | magnifying glass ? |
| 17:26.33 | dfdf | hhaha |
| 17:26.36 | dfdf | yeah |
| 17:27.19 | dfdf | what bothers me is that now i don't receive the webpage at http://192.168.100.1 with the webstart menu, just a blank page, but it still responds to ping |
| 17:27.29 | dfdf | then i found this utility unhide |
| 17:27.35 | rozie | dfdf: maybe it's staticly assigned? |
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| 17:27.53 | dfdf | i ran unhide sys and at the end shows IDDEN Processes Found: 1sysinfo.procs = 157 ps_count = 159 |
| 17:28.03 | dfdf | yeah |
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| 17:28.11 | dfdf | migh be statically |
| 17:28.21 | dfdf | but what's this unhide thing |
| 17:28.27 | abrotman | less enter key please |
| 17:28.38 | dfdf | uhm? |
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| 17:28.41 | dfdf | i write too fast? |
| 17:29.24 | dfdf | what do you mean? |
| 17:30.59 | dfdf | so ? from where 192.168.100.1 might respond? it's not the router im sure |
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| 17:33.31 | dfdf | i monitored my network with netstat, tcpdump, lsof -i and everything and 192.168.100.1 never has any traffic just when i ping it or when ocasionally responds on the port 80 with the webstar cable modem config page |
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| 17:35.53 | rozie | dfdf: how do you know it's not the router? I'd bet traffic comes from router... |
| 17:36.57 | thewanderer1 | dfdf: besides, what is the router's external IP address? maybe you're just hitting your ISP's modem and you are trapped in some dumb NAT? |
| 17:36.58 | dfdf | the only traffic that the router sends, is upnp on port 1900, apart from other traffic that i know if |
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| 17:37.08 | Cryp71c | rozie: as it turns out, the poweredge's we have don't have a hardware raid controller anyways, the hardware that I thought was the RC is actually just a SCSI Controller. |
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| 17:37.18 | Cryp71c | so...back to software raid! |
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| 17:37.28 | Cryp71c | (is software raid really that bad anyways?) |
| 17:37.36 | rozie | Cryp71c: read software raid howto |
| 17:37.48 | Leoneof | dfdf: maybe you are connected to your isp, isp can route many isp :/ |
| 17:37.49 | thewanderer1 | Cryp71c: think of it this way, every RAID is software RAID at some point :P |
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| 17:38.03 | Cryp71c | rozie: I know howto, the installation information is crystal clear. |
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| 17:38.17 | Cryp71c | thewanderer1: right right, I just didn't know how much it taxes the CPU to manage the software raid. |
| 17:38.28 | Cryp71c | (eg, how strong are RC processors?) |
| 17:39.37 | pipeline | Cryp71c: in 2011 software RAID is better than any but the very best HW RAID |
| 17:40.01 | pipeline | Cryp71c: if you can't afford a high-end RAID card w/ battery-backed cache, the low-end units (<$500) are not really worth buying (except as high performance dumb disk controllers) |
| 17:40.54 | pipeline | Cryp71c: e.g. a PERC H700 w/ BBU is definitely better than SW RAID, because the write caching massively improves performance |
| 17:41.02 | abrotman | eww PERC |
| 17:41.07 | justin | Cryp71c: how many disks do you have? |
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| 17:41.37 | v43 | be warned... dont even mention debian in the opensuse channel, they flip xD |
| 17:41.46 | pipeline | Cryp71c: but a PERC6/E isn't worth using as anything but a dumb cotnroller -- definitely use mdadm in preference to that |
| 17:41.51 | abrotman | did you just mention opensuse?! |
| 17:42.02 | robokop | v43: sounds like a nice flashmob |
| 17:42.13 | NightMiles | flips |
| 17:42.24 | pipeline | abrotman: PERC is just Dell's term for any Dell-branded RAID controller. Some are awesome, some are less awesome. All of them are LSI/Adaptec chips, so they're well-supported by debian, with one or two exceptions where the custom firmware is windows-only. |
| 17:42.34 | abrotman | i know what it is :) |
| 17:42.42 | abrotman | they used to be awful cards |
| 17:42.45 | pipeline | abrotman: some PERCs are wretched pieces of shit e.g. the 1068/1068e series. Great disk controllers, no RAID of any value. |
| 17:42.59 | abrotman | there's also CERC .. even ickier |
| 17:43.03 | pipeline | abrotman: nah even PERC and PERC2 were good cards (by the standards of the day.) PERC2 was a high-end adaptec. |
| 17:43.16 | pipeline | abrotman: CERC was a midrange adaptec chip iirc. Pretty useless, no BBU. |
| 17:43.23 | abrotman | !cerc |
| 17:43.36 | abrotman | oh .. thought the bot knew ... CERC was the fakeraid |
| 17:43.44 | v43 | heard bad things about the debian community too :) but i figured id share that with ya lol got flamed when i asked if you could use yum in opensuse, and when i said i used debian they flipped out, ended up getting kick-banned :) |
| 17:43.46 | pipeline | abrotman: a ton of them are "fakeraid" in that they don't have a BBU... |
| 17:44.12 | pipeline | abrotman: who cares if you can offload the totally negligible parity calculations.... parity wasn't a significant source of load in the PII era, today with insanely powerful chips it's barely even measurable ;) |
| 17:44.18 | justin | fakeraid doesn't mean no BBU. no BBU just means crappy raid |
| 17:44.42 | justin | pipeline: parity isn't the problem, eventually you run out of controller bandwidth |
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| 17:45.25 | pipeline | justin: that shouldn't be an issue on any modern card. In fact, you're more likely to run out of controller CPU on real RAID. |
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| 17:45.52 | abrotman | oh no .. Next on #debian: RAID Nerds Collide ... |
| 17:45.56 | justin | heh |
| 17:45.56 | Cryp71c | justin: 2 disks. |
| 17:46.00 | pipeline | justin: I know on my old PCI-X cards, I could *just barely* saturate the bus with 8 spindles running full-tilt... on a modern x8 PCI-E card, no fucking chance. |
| 17:46.00 | Cryp71c | It would strictly be raid 1 |
| 17:46.08 | justin | yeah, 2 disks do whatever the hell you want |
| 17:46.38 | oru_work | themill, why do they call a "server" where the authorized_keys is located? Isn't it suppose to be called a "client" since this is where i'm trying to SSH from ? |
| 17:46.41 | justin | good to know :) |
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| 17:47.07 | pipeline | justin: well even in the "bad old days" of 64/66 PCI, you would hardly ever saturate the bus. I could only do that in a synthetic test. Totally impossible under real-life load. |
| 17:47.08 | Cryp71c | Am I missing the option in the debian installation to prevent x11 from being installed? I don't see it anywhere and I'm already to the "install base system" option. |
| 17:47.29 | peterrooney | Cryp71c: try changing the debconf priority |
| 17:47.33 | pipeline | justin: larger problem: cheap "fakeraid" controllers used to be 32/33 PCI, which saturates pretty god damn easily with 4 disks hanging off of it :) |
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| 17:47.42 | justin | Cryp71c: the default is not to install X |
| 17:47.45 | pipeline | justin: well saturates easily in a synthetic test anyway |
| 17:47.50 | themill | oru_work: no, you're ssh-ing from a client to a server. There are two machines involved and both have to be configured correctly. |
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| 17:48.06 | pipeline | justin: again, real world, sustained 133 MB/s on a 4-disk raidset is hard to achieve |
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| 17:48.18 | naptastic | What do I have to add to my /etc/apt/mirror.list to make my local apt-mirror so I can *install* from it and not just *update*? |
| 17:48.29 | themill | oru_work: and the authorized_keys file is on the machine that you are trying to connect to (not the machine that you will run "ssh" on). It's on the server. |
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| 17:48.45 | justin | pipeline: I have some systems with 4 disk raid10 that do 200MB/s |
| 17:49.01 | pipeline | justin: ...under ideal workloads, sure. |
| 17:49.08 | pipeline | justin: real-world, seek-heavy contention ? hell no |
| 17:49.18 | justin | you didn't say anything about seeking :-) |
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| 17:49.35 | pipeline | justin: I said "real world" which includes such uncomfortable problems as seeking :P |
| 17:49.52 | pipeline | justin: in synthetic tests, I can run at 400 MB/s on a mdadm RAID 5 volume w/ cheapo 7200 rpm sata :D |
| 17:49.56 | justin | pipeline: well real world use for me on a bunch of systems is "a large ammount of sequential IO" |
| 17:50.38 | _jesse_ | hey all, I appear to be missing development headers for unicode (specifically unicode/utypes.h) which package might I find those in ? |
| 17:51.10 | lord_rob | Hi ! When I try to boot with kernel 2.6.38 (depency of linux-image-2.6) I don't have initrd. Is it a known problem ? I googled and found nothing :/ |
| 17:51.42 | thewanderer1 | ,file unicode/utypes.h |
| 17:51.45 | pipeline | _jesse_: probably libicu devel |
| 17:51.48 | judd | unicode/utypes.h in squeeze/i386: libicu-dev: usr/include/unicode/utypes.h |
| 17:53.17 | _jesse_ | pipeline: much obliged :) I was pooring over apt-cache but must have missed it |
| 17:53.26 | thewanderer1 | lord_rob: you're on Sid, huh... look at the bugzilla, check out the package's hooks etc... |
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| 17:55.29 | pipeline | _jesse_: apt-file handles indexing of who owns what |
| 17:55.38 | pipeline | _jesse_: well handles a searchable index anyway |
| 17:55.54 | pipeline | _jesse_: obviously dpkg knows, but it's hadrd to ask dpkg that question. apt-file exists to satisfy that need |
| 17:56.05 | _jesse_ | pipeline: ah awesome, I wasn't aware of that utilit |
| 17:56.06 | _jesse_ | y |
| 17:56.12 | dfdf | thewanderer1, sure the router is doing NAT, since he has a public ip and then gives me a local ip. that is not the issue. Another thing, i can arping my routers mac, the one that shows in arp -an just fine. Now if i go and arping the mac that the welcome page at 192.168.100.1 shows i get no response, but the ping works. This is what i don't get. How can ping work and not arping. Then if i clear my arp table, then run tcpdump and ping my route |
| 17:56.12 | dfdf | 192.168.1.1 then what happens is the router is asking who has my ip and receives an ARP reply ithe my MAC address then i can ICMP echo reply to my ping. BUT if i ping 192.168.100.1 there's none of that, it can ping without knowing the mac of that ip. DAMN it's strange |
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| 17:57.09 | dondelelcaro | dfdf: because 192.168.100.1 is probably not on the same physical subnet as 192.168.1.1... |
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| 17:58.17 | justin | dfdf: 192.168.100.1 would be on the external interface on the router and not the same layer2 broadcast domain as your pc |
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| 18:02.53 | lord_rob | thanks thewanderer1 I'll ask on oftc anyway |
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| 18:06.15 | dfdf | i don't know, thanks guys |
| 18:06.41 | discozohan | how can i reload /etc/resolv.conf ? |
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| 18:07.07 | thewanderer1 | discozohan: this is not Windows, there's no DNS cache unless you specifically ask for it |
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| 18:08.07 | abrotman | is that what he asked?> |
| 18:08.08 | lapsusbrutus | looks like dnsmasq will not work well in chroot.. Get error: Failed to bind DHCP socket: Address already in use Anyone knows how to deal with this? bind again? |
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| 18:08.39 | lapsusbrutus | host system does not run anything dhcp exept dhclient |
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| 18:10.43 | thewanderer1 | lapsusbrutus: does it work outside of the chroot? |
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| 18:13.00 | lapsusbrutus | thewanderer1: hmm .. havent tried that yet.. I might be noobing now.. the dnsmasq program should be aptituded inside the chroot right? So host system dont ave dnsmasq installed.. yet |
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| 18:13.37 | thewanderer1 | lapsusbrutus: yes... check with netstat -ul and see if the DHCP socket is taken |
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| 18:14.32 | lapsusbrutus | cant see any dhcp there but a bootps and boot pc |
| 18:14.36 | Bushmills | could also be udp/53 |
| 18:14.49 | Bushmills | ah.. "DHCP socket" ... |
| 18:14.58 | weaseal | i'll show you my dhcp socket |
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| 18:15.25 | thewanderer1 | lapsusbrutus: see with -n flag. bootps and bootpc should be equivalent to DHCP sockets |
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| 18:15.38 | thewanderer1 | bootpc being client, bootps server if I'm reasoning right |
| 18:15.39 | discozohan | thewanderer1: Hmm. I commented out "search" directive in /etc/resolv.conf. Now "host host_not_exists" shows, that host not found. But wget still can get response from "host_not_exists", so it does still use previous search directive. How could it be ? |
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| 18:16.28 | discozohan | discozohan: so, wget should show me also, that host with name "host_not_exists" still not found, but it doesn't |
| 18:16.58 | thewanderer1 | discozohan: they use different DNS resolvers as far as I know... verify with 'getent host_not_exists' |
| 18:17.20 | thewanderer1 | getent uses NSS, *should* be the same as wget, whereas host uses some other lib... |
| 18:17.28 | mee | Is there a network filesystem which, when disconnected will cache changes locally, and then do a fast-forward-merge or fail (mount RO, error) on reconnect? Something like sshfs w/ a large cache timeout and async writes. |
| 18:17.47 | mee | ie. are there network filesystems designed to operate on unreliable networks? |
| 18:17.52 | thewanderer1 | mee: Coda |
| 18:17.59 | mee | thanks, I'll look it up |
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| 18:18.21 | dondelelcaro | though you'll always have lots of fun with conflict resolution |
| 18:18.22 | lapsusbrutus | hmm udp 30328 0 *:bootps *:* 1710/dnsmasq (from netstat -ap) |
| 18:18.34 | justin | pretty sure coda never actually worked for anyone |
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| 18:19.00 | Kurin | Is there a recommended way to make bash the system shell on noninteractive upgrades? |
| 18:19.05 | mee | dondelelcaro: yeah, it's a tough problem, but you can probably keep the pain to a minimum for single-user situations |
| 18:19.12 | oru_work | i'm having so much trouble with ssh key generated by puttygen |
| 18:19.26 | thewanderer1 | lapsusbrutus: yeah, so it's taken already by dnsmasq |
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| 18:20.17 | lapsusbrutus | thewanderer1: but thats supposedly the program Im trying to use for dhcp :) strange Hmm ill try without chroot and see if that fixes it |
| 18:20.31 | Cryp71c | Hrm, I've completed the debian install, but when I go to boot I get a series of messages "mdadm: No devices listed in conff file were found." Then "ALERT! /dev/md0 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" and then I get put into BusyBox. |
| 18:20.32 | thewanderer1 | lapsusbrutus: see, it's already running! |
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| 18:23.39 | dondelelcaro | mee: yeah... but if the time differential gets too large, and/or you're talking about multiple machines, you may actually just want to use a centralized version control system instead |
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| 18:23.49 | dondelelcaro | (or a distributed one) |
| 18:23.51 | gnugr | oru_work: never had a prob with gnome terminal, why should i use putty? |
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| 18:24.17 | tuvwx | why can't debian's iso images just be dd'ed to usb sticks, like grml's iso images, for example? |
| 18:24.24 | justin | tuvwx: they can |
| 18:24.42 | RickHull | Hi, I added a 2nd NIC to a debian VM (ESXi), but it is not showing up in ifconfig |
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| 18:24.51 | justin | RickHull: ifconfig -a ? |
| 18:25.03 | RickHull | justin: yep, thanks |
| 18:25.04 | lapsusbrutus | thewanderer1: ahh.. I have an idea now, (thanks to you guys:)) The chroot is set to autostart, and dnsmasq within it.. but before proc and devices are mounted for chroot.. so maybe dnsmasq doesnt start up right? |
| 18:25.14 | RickHull | justin: i.e. it is there :) |
| 18:25.31 | tuvwx | justin: that's not what the manual (devel version) says: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ch04s03.html |
| 18:25.35 | thewanderer1 | lapsusbrutus: I don't know how a chroot even 'starts', you're doing something strange :P fix it :P |
| 18:25.36 | Cryp71c | After I setup the raid, I installed grub to the MBR, could that explain my boot issues?? |
| 18:25.36 | justin | RickHull: add it to /etc/network/interfaces and you should be all set |
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| 18:26.50 | lapsusbrutus | thewanderer1: :) |
| 18:26.56 | justin | tuvwx: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-isohybrid |
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| 18:28.46 | RickHull | justin: ifup eth1 # success! cheers |
| 18:28.48 | lapsusbrutus | thewanderer1: KVM ftw :p |
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| 18:30.19 | thewanderer1 | lapsusbrutus: OpenVZ/UML/LXC/Vserver (in the order of usability - descending - as of now) also exist :P |
| 18:30.35 | tuvwx | justin: oh.. thanks. how come the release docs are more up-to-date than the devel docs? |
| 18:30.42 | Cryp71c | Anyone? Debian install on a server, setup a software raid, installed grub onto MBR, system doesn't boot. Does writing grub onto the MBR cause issues with software raid? |
| 18:31.20 | jhutchins_lt | Cryp71c: Is the raid driver in your initrd? |
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| 18:32.00 | Cryp71c | jhutchins: not that i configured, it never asked me for a raid driver, I thought the software would have what it needed. |
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| 18:32.08 | Cryp71c | (since it never prompted me) |
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| 18:33.05 | jhutchins_lt | Cryp71c: http://wiki.debian.org/SoftwareRAID |
| 18:33.09 | lapsusbrutus | thewanderer1: thanks to your screen hack with KVM, that has become my favorite way of virtualizing, Can the other ones compete with KVM in terms of speed? |
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| 18:33.34 | jhutchins_lt | Cryp71c: Booting from raid or an encrypted filesystem are special cases. |
| 18:33.36 | thewanderer1 | lapsusbrutus: Xen. but nobody can compete with Xen in terms of dirtyness and amount of kernel hacks :) |
| 18:34.03 | spditner | When using apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true -- how are the weights for package conflicts determined? |
| 18:34.27 | lapsusbrutus | thewanderer1: I thought KVM was dirty lol |
| 18:34.32 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: well, if GRUB is already handling that, it's a module problem or an mdraid config not embedded in initramfs I suppose |
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| 18:44.18 | gratnam11 | can some one help me with error please |
| 18:44.20 | gratnam11 | Starting MySQL...Manager of pid-file quit without updating file. |
| 18:45.16 | justin | gratnam11: read your logs in /var/log |
| 18:45.32 | gratnam11 | i don;t have anything in the logs |
| 18:45.34 | gratnam11 | thats what sucks |
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| 18:45.47 | Cryp71c | jhutchins_lt: can software raids be setup after I've installed to one device (So that I can actually get into a writable environment and out of the installer-cd shell)? |
| 18:46.14 | gratnam11 | var/log/mysql.err is empty |
| 18:46.24 | gratnam11 | so is /var/log/mysql.log |
| 18:46.30 | jhutchins_lt | Cryp71c: Sorry, I really don't know. |
| 18:46.45 | gratnam11 | please help me get this thing working i been down all day |
| 18:47.09 | Cryp71c | justin: do you have any idea, by chance? I only ask you in particular because you were proving exceedingly knowledgeable on raid installs earlier. |
| 18:47.33 | justin | Cryp71c: yes, but it is easier to do it the first time around in the installer |
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| 18:47.43 | justin | gratnam11: sh -x /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 18:48.07 | jhutchins_lt | gratnam11: What have you done beyond installing the server with apt? |
| 18:48.33 | Cryp71c | justin: well, I did it in the install and rebooted, but Debian wouldn't load. It gave me some errors that I typed earlier: "mdadm: No devices listed in conff file were found." Then "ALERT! /dev/md0 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" and then I get put into BusyBox. |
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| 18:48.44 | DelphiWorld | hello guys |
| 18:48.45 | Cryp71c | justin: also, it doesn't seem like I can type in the busybox shell (usb keyboard) |
| 18:48.56 | DelphiWorld | ./format-cf.sh: line 88: sfdisk: command not found |
| 18:48.57 | DelphiWorld | ./format-cf.sh: line 90: mkfs.ext2: command not found |
| 18:48.57 | DelphiWorld | ./format-cf.sh: line 91: tune2fs: command not found |
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| 18:49.06 | DelphiWorld | any clue what i should install to get this utilitys? |
| 18:49.34 | jhutchins_lt | gratnam11: 5100 results from pasting your error into google. I don't think you're trying very hard. |
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| 18:49.57 | Cryp71c | DelphiWorld: util-linux-ng for sfdisk |
| 18:50.01 | justin | DelphiWorld: run format-cf as root? |
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| 18:50.19 | jhutchins_lt | Cryp71c: Did you read the install guide portion about installing/booting to raid? |
| 18:50.39 | DelphiWorld | yeah justin |
| 18:50.45 | DelphiWorld | this is a voyage linux install |
| 18:50.53 | gratnam11 | it was working fine |
| 18:50.59 | gratnam11 | accidently restarted the server |
| 18:51.04 | gratnam11 | now it wornt staart |
| 18:51.25 | DelphiWorld | Cryp71c: util-linux-ng not found |
| 18:51.41 | justin | gratnam11: by "accidently restarted" do you mean you cut the power? |
| 18:51.48 | jhutchins_lt | gratnam11: You did something. Updated a package, changed a user password, something. |
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| 18:52.17 | Cryp71c | jhutchins_lt: I don't see anything at all about raids in the install guide: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/amd64/index.html.en |
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| 18:53.00 | justin | raid in the installer is easy, you mark partitions for use in software raid, then you create raid sets on top of them |
| 18:53.20 | Cryp71c | justin: that's precisely what I did, aside from setting up a small swap partition on one disk. |
| 18:53.43 | justin | you should make swap a raid1 partition as well, unless you want the failure of 1 disk to crash the system :) |
| 18:53.52 | jhutchins_lt | !ig |
| 18:53.52 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
| 18:53.52 | Cryp71c | justin: ah...good call. |
| 18:54.23 | Cryp71c | jhutchins_lt: yeah that's where I went to for the installation guide. I opened up 64-bit ENglish HTML |
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| 18:55.05 | jhutchins_lt | gratnam11: If you lost power, the pid file from a previous run may exist, and may not be writable. If you lost power, did you do an fsck? |
| 18:55.45 | gratnam11 | i searched the entire filesystem for the .pid file couldnt find anything |
| 18:55.54 | justin | jhutchins_lt: /var/run is cleared on bootup and should not exist after a reboot |
| 18:55.56 | davetoo | fai/debian question: to this n00b it appears that all releases for all architectures live at the same root. Correct? So if I"m seeding an FAI machine from a set of downloaded DVDs, I dump all of their contents on top of each other at the root of my dist tree? |
| 18:56.00 | gratnam11 | well not relating to mysql |
| 18:56.01 | jhutchins_lt | Cryp71c: Section 6.3.3.4 |
| 18:56.04 | gratnam11 | or mysqlmanager |
| 18:56.17 | justin | DelphiWorld: you talking about the pool of .deb files? |
| 18:56.17 | jhutchins_lt | gratnam11: That's not what I asked. |
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| 18:56.19 | justin | der |
| 18:56.21 | lapsusbrutus | thewanderer1 and all who helped, I got it to work now, used "bind interfaces" and for some odd reason I had to choose eth2 instead of IP address of card (both should work, but looks like its a known bug when chroot). I also disabled the autostart. |
| 18:56.27 | justin | davetoo: : you talking about the pool of .deb files? |
| 18:56.35 | DelphiWorld | justin: lol |
| 18:56.40 | gratnam11 | yes power was cutt off |
| 18:56.47 | davetoo | justin: The entire install DVD |
| 18:56.53 | lapsusbrutus | resting in peace "ahhh at last" |
| 18:57.00 | mick_laptop | hi everyone, is there a standard place to put ssl certs? (I was looking at the file system standard and I didn't see a mention of that) |
| 18:57.00 | jhutchins_lt | gratnam11: fsck the system - shutdown -Fr now |
| 18:57.12 | jhutchins_lt | gratnam11: Check for /var/run/mysql.pid |
| 18:57.13 | gratnam11 | how do i do that |
| 18:57.35 | mick_laptop | I know I can put them wherever, but I'd like someone else to also be able to easily find them if needed |
| 18:57.38 | lapsusbrutus | Thanks for helping guys! :D |
| 18:57.49 | jhutchins_lt | gratnam11: type that command in the console (as root) |
| 18:57.50 | justin | mick_laptop: theres a bunch in /etc/ssl/ |
| 18:58.00 | gratnam11 | would it break anything |
| 18:58.05 | gratnam11 | its a production server |
| 18:58.13 | jhutchins_lt | gratnam11: Nothing that is not already broken. |
| 18:58.21 | gratnam11 | lol |
| 18:58.21 | davetoo | justin: I guess what I'm doing is trying to save bandwidth/time by hammering all the DVDs I downloaded yesterday into a local private mirror |
| 18:58.26 | gratnam11 | so ru fsck |
| 18:58.27 | davetoo | partial mirror |
| 18:58.29 | gratnam11 | run |
| 18:58.33 | jhutchins_lt | gratnam11: NO. |
| 18:58.38 | mick_laptop | justin: ah good point, then I can just do /etc/ssl/MYFQDN.key etc |
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| 18:58.44 | jhutchins_lt | gratnam11: shutdown -Fr now |
| 18:58.44 | mick_laptop | justin: thanks |
| 18:58.51 | gratnam11 | WARNING!!! Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause |
| 18:58.52 | gratnam11 | SEVERE filesystem damage. |
| 18:58.57 | gratnam11 | ok |
| 18:59.17 | justin | davetoo: yeah.. mirrors have all the architectures in one tree |
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| 19:03.56 | jhutchins_lt | gratnam11: You're not running cpanel, are you? |
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| 19:05.57 | DelphiWorld | justin: how do i restore default path? |
| 19:06.04 | DelphiWorld | i lost ifconfig, and most utilitys |
| 19:06.14 | justin | DelphiWorld: what did you do to screw up the path? |
| 19:06.29 | DelphiWorld | justin: not sure, just a vm... one month not booted till today |
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| 19:09.16 | DelphiWorld | everyone else please let me know the path. |
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| 19:09.30 | RFleming | Greetings and Salutations! |
| 19:09.38 | RFleming | does anyone know how to use lftp? |
| 19:10.04 | RFleming | I can't seem to understand the instructions no matter how many times I read it. |
| 19:10.17 | RFleming | trying to mput local files to a remove ftp server. |
| 19:10.32 | RFleming | err s/remove/remote |
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| 19:10.50 | Black_Prince | !lftp |
| 19:10.50 | dpkg | [lftp] a FTP(S)/HTTP(S)/SFTP/FISH client. Quick lftp howto: lftp foo, get blah, cd bleh, ^z to background downloads, jobs to list them. Also a <BitTorrent> client as of version 4.0.0. http://lftp.yar.ru/FAQ |
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| 19:11.01 | dpkg | Quagga is a BGP/OSPF/RIP routing daemon, like <zebra>. http://wiki.quagga.net/index.php/Main/FAQ http://www.quagga.net/ #quagga on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:11.08 | Mr_Queue | Several weeks ago someone was looking for a package to run them through in a menu style configuration editor. I believe it simply selected packages which could be reconfigured via dpkt-reconfigure. Does anyone know which package that might be? |
| 19:11.16 | zgedneil | DelphiWorld: chances are you want to add /sbin and /usr/sbin |
| 19:11.31 | DelphiWorld | zgedneil: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 19:11.39 | DelphiWorld | zgedneil: but how do i add it right now? |
| 19:11.54 | RFleming | Black_Prince: I am aware of that way, but I need to recursively PUT files AND folders to a remote FTP site. |
| 19:12.22 | zgedneil | DelphiWorld: export PATH=etc I'd imagine |
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| 19:12.44 | zgedneil | depending on what you mean by right now |
| 19:12.58 | gratnam11 | i restarted the computer |
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| 19:13.05 | gratnam11 | what do i do now |
| 19:13.08 | DelphiWorld | zgedneil: thanks a lot. |
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| 19:13.12 | ska | If I configure apcupsd on one server to control an APC ups, how do I get the other servers to shutdown first? |
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| 19:14.33 | gratnam11 | please help me out |
| 19:14.34 | gratnam11 | Starting MySQL...Manager of pid-file quit without updating file |
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| 19:14.53 | hochron | is it possible to set up apache if your network uses dhcp? I have 3 other boxes to setup if I go static |
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| 19:16.24 | hochron | can you make your ip static if your router is set up to use dhcp? |
| 19:16.36 | petemc | yes |
| 19:17.29 | DelphiWorld | ok, done! |
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| 19:17.43 | justin | hochron: depending on your dhcp server that may cause problems if you don't assign an ip address outside of the range used by the server |
| 19:17.43 | RFleming | hochron: no |
| 19:18.24 | justin | and many routers use dnsmasq which sets up the .local domain based on the hostnames found in the dhcp requests, so if you do not use dhcp your local dns won't work right |
| 19:18.40 | RFleming | hochron: misread the question. Yes, just assign an address outside of the DHCP Scope |
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| 19:19.12 | hochron | ok thanks for the help guys |
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| 19:20.10 | jhutchins_lt | gratnam11: You're not running cpanel, are you? |
| 19:20.29 | msr01 | is anyone in here somewhat familiar with getting kerberos 5 MIT and slapd to work? |
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| 19:21.13 | msr01 | asks because explaining everything is gonna take alot of time probably and is useless unless someone interested is listening |
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| 19:21.39 | gratnam11 | i am not sure |
| 19:21.47 | gratnam11 | how do i check if i am running cpanel |
| 19:21.59 | jhutchins_lt | !cpanel |
| 19:21.59 | dpkg | from memory, cpanel is a proprietary web hosting control panel. Ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 19:22.16 | gratnam11 | no i am not |
| 19:22.24 | jhutchins_lt | gratnam11: This is a serious problem, and it's going to take more than one step to fix it. |
| 19:22.36 | gratnam11 | i know |
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| 19:22.49 | justin | gratnam11: did you ever run the command I told you to run? |
| 19:22.51 | jhutchins_lt | gratnam11: You've started by making sure the filesystem was ok. Now we know we don't have some wierd stray pid file. |
| 19:22.56 | gratnam11 | yes |
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| 19:23.03 | gratnam11 | i did shutdown -Fr now |
| 19:23.11 | justin | that is not the command I told you to run |
| 19:23.20 | gratnam11 | fsck |
| 19:23.22 | gratnam11 | ??? |
| 19:23.23 | ranix | good job gratnam11 you turned off your computer |
| 19:23.32 | justin | you just need to figure out the command that the init script uses to start mysql, and run it manually to see why it is not starting |
| 19:23.39 | justin | 14:47 < justin> gratnam11: sh -x /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 19:24.00 | jhutchins_lt | justin: Why sh -x? |
| 19:24.07 | gratnam11 | sorry didnt see that |
| 19:24.12 | gratnam11 | one sec |
| 19:24.31 | gratnam11 | to see where its failing? |
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| 19:27.09 | mahen23 | hi everyone |
| 19:27.16 | mahen23 | please show your love for japan: http://imgur.com/pj6OF |
| 19:28.24 | bolt | huh? |
| 19:28.34 | mahen23 | yeps |
| 19:29.35 | sotmg | http://pastebin.com/pXmSBqRa I have an audio stream with G.726 format sound, anyone knows how to play it? I tried saving it to a file and playing it but with various players, non worked. :( |
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| 19:29.56 | justin | sotmg: mplayer? |
| 19:30.06 | sotmg | didn't play |
| 19:30.22 | justin | sotmg: what does 'file' say it is? |
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| 19:30.47 | sotmg | text? I didn't get you.. |
| 19:30.57 | gratnam11 | http://pastebin.com/McNSKJh8 |
| 19:31.00 | sotmg | It is an audio stream from Panasonic IP Camera... BB-HCM511A |
| 19:31.05 | justin | sotmg: re-run the command you ran replacing 'mplayer' with 'file' |
| 19:31.12 | sotmg | i see. |
| 19:31.32 | sotmg | nphAudio: data |
| 19:31.46 | oru_work | for some reason byobu has me choose options 1-3 every time I log out, and I don't know why. I didn't tell it to create those three sessions. |
| 19:31.57 | Cryp71c | justin: sigh, twice I've gone through the configuration to make sure that I'm getting things correct, still not booting, and the shell it dumps me into when boot fails doesn't look like it can be typed into with my usb keyboard, for some reason. |
| 19:32.00 | oru_work | and its the same exact thing no matter which session option I pick |
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| 19:32.15 | justin | Cryp71c: try enabling legacy device emulation in your bios |
| 19:33.23 | gratnam11 | justin you there |
| 19:33.55 | gratnam11 | http://pastebin.com/McNSKJh8 heres the out put of sh -x /etc/init.d/mysqld start |
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| 19:34.35 | justin | gratnam11: /usr/bin/mysqld_safe --datadir=/home/mysqld --pid-file=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid |
| 19:34.53 | Black_Prince | why /home/mysql ? |
| 19:34.56 | gratnam11 | do you want me to type that command in |
| 19:35.10 | justin | gratnam11: yes |
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| 19:35.50 | gratnam11 | it says 110323 15:35:30 mysqld_safe Starting mysqld daemon with databases from /home/mysqld |
| 19:36.24 | justin | and it didn't start? |
| 19:36.25 | gratnam11 | just stays there |
| 19:36.33 | justin | i see |
| 19:36.34 | gratnam11 | i didnt get the prompt back |
| 19:36.39 | sotmg | justin, just saying, http://linux.die.net/man/1/sox helped me. thanks for your time. |
| 19:36.54 | justin | ah, surprised that sox played it but not mplayer |
| 19:37.02 | sotmg | me too.. |
| 19:37.07 | justin | i guess mplayer doesn't bother to support all those crazy voice codecs |
| 19:37.39 | gratnam11 | yup it started |
| 19:38.04 | gratnam11 | how do i make it start normaly now |
| 19:38.04 | Cryp71c | justin: no legacy device emulation option in bios -_- This is quite aggrivating, I knew RAID would be a pain to setup and install onto, I didn't expect it to be this big a problem. |
| 19:38.17 | justin | gratnam11: doesn't look like you had a problem |
| 19:38.25 | justin | Cryp71c: it's really not a pain |
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| 19:38.28 | gratnam11 | how? |
| 19:38.44 | gratnam11 | so why wasn;t it letting me start it normaly |
| 19:38.48 | Cryp71c | justin: I'm following everything I see on the software raid tutorials, but I continue to get mdadm errors when I try to boot. |
| 19:38.59 | ElDiabolo | gratnam11, Should be done by the /etc/init.d/mysql script |
| 19:39.16 | Cryp71c | I guess let me try and get into a shell so I can poke around at the files. |
| 19:39.19 | jhutchins_lt | Cryp71c: I'm still betting that you don't have the raid driver in your initramfs. |
| 19:39.30 | justin | Cryp71c: wait... how exactly did you setup the raid during the install? |
| 19:39.36 | ElDiabolo | gratnam11, Didn't that do it? |
| 19:39.48 | gratnam11 | i only have the /etc/init.d/mysqld script |
| 19:39.51 | oru_work | every time I detach and then logout, then when log back in byobu is asking me to open one of the three opened sessions, why ? |
| 19:40.04 | oru_work | and I didn't open them |
| 19:40.07 | gratnam11 | justin |
| 19:40.07 | ElDiabolo | gratnam11, OK, typo on my side. |
| 19:40.16 | gratnam11 | ok |
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| 19:41.05 | Cryp71c | justin: normal install until the partition manager, split each disk into two partitions (70.8 gb and 2.0 gb), set each partition (on each drive) to be used by "physical drive for raid" |
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| 19:41.26 | justin | Cryp71c: then what |
| 19:41.31 | Cryp71c | justin: then went to configure software raid, create MD for the two 70.8 gb devices, created an MD for the two 2.0 gb devices |
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| 19:42.12 | Cryp71c | Then the drive listing shows two raid devices and two hard drives (each hard drive with two partitions), I go into the first raid drive and set it to be "used as ext3 journaling" and set its moutn point to "/" |
| 19:42.20 | Cryp71c | Then set the other raid device to be used as swap space. |
| 19:42.32 | justin | Cryp71c: well, that sounds right |
| 19:42.34 | Cryp71c | That's everything I think I did in the partition manager, then I went on to install the base system. |
| 19:42.45 | Cryp71c | I installed grub to the MBR |
| 19:43.07 | Cryp71c | I don't have a separate partition for /boot but since I'm raid 1, that shouldn't be an issue (according to what I've read) |
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| 19:43.20 | justin | correct |
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| 19:44.09 | justin | Cryp71c: is it detecting the drives at all when you reboot? |
| 19:44.12 | Cryp71c | jhutchins_lt: I read somewhere else that the software raid implementation has various drivers built in, so if I check initramfs I doubt its just going to be empty. |
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| 19:44.38 | justin | if you install onto raid the installer will build a ramdisk with the appropriate modules in it |
| 19:44.49 | Cryp71c | justin: my SCSI controller does, all that's fine, grub loads, gives me my kernel options, I pick one, then I get the errors I've described |
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| 19:45.14 | justin | Cryp71c: does your kernel commandline have 'quiet' or something? |
| 19:45.24 | Cryp71c | justin: yes |
| 19:45.29 | justin | ah, remove that |
| 19:45.31 | Cryp71c | it has various options, quiet is one of them. |
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| 19:45.52 | gratnam11 | hey it works thanks a lot justin |
| 19:46.17 | justin | gratnam11: I think maybe your only problem was that it maybe had to do a recovery or something and was taking too long to start |
| 19:46.32 | gratnam11 | i see |
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| 19:46.53 | justin | starting it manually certainly wouldn't have fixed anything |
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| 19:47.15 | gratnam11 | i see |
| 19:47.49 | gratnam11 | i dunno the details lol but it works now thanks a lot |
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| 19:48.50 | Cryp71c | justin: ah, so much output..and its at an 80-char wide screen! |
| 19:48.54 | Cryp71c | can't see anything for very long. |
| 19:48.56 | karlpinc | is psyched that I finally got off kde/gnome. Having to re-configure kde4 was too much. So, now am running e16 and it does what I want and is plain and simple. (I have a suprising set of gui requirements accumulated.) |
| 19:49.05 | justin | Cryp71c: just need the end really |
| 19:49.26 | justin | Cryp71c: it should detect your drives, likely sda and sdb, then print sda1 sda2, sdb1 sdb2 |
| 19:49.38 | smacnay | Cryp71c, is e17 not available? |
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| 19:49.44 | Cryp71c | smacnay: e17? |
| 19:50.04 | karlpinc | smacnay: I think not. At least in squeeze. |
| 19:50.16 | smacnay | Enlightenment 17 - ah, yes, not in squeeze. |
| 19:50.23 | robokop | e17, is that released then? |
| 19:50.36 | karlpinc | robokop: I think not. |
| 19:50.49 | Cryp71c | justin: the last two commands are "sd 0:0:0:1:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk" and then "sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk" |
| 19:51.07 | Cryp71c | then it says "done" and gives the errors |
| 19:51.11 | smacnay | e17 is sort of "broken" in sid right now - lots of dependency issues. |
| 19:51.28 | abrotman | s/in sid right now// |
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| 19:51.37 | karlpinc | Cryp71c: Do you have encrypted swap or only lvm swap partitions? I had trouble with uswsusp resuming in those cases and had to press the return key on the console to get it to boot. |
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| 19:51.56 | karlpinc | Cryp71c: (I've not been following along, but figured the above might help.) |
| 19:52.33 | Cryp71c | karlpinc: no, no encrypted or lvm anything. |
| 19:52.40 | Cryp71c | Just regular old raid 1 :( |
| 19:52.44 | karlpinc | Cryp71c: :-( |
| 19:52.45 | zaltekk | do you have an initrd setup with support for raid? |
| 19:53.19 | Cryp71c | zaltekk: I'm not sure, I can't get into an operating system -_- this is a 100% fresh install of debian using raid from the get-go. |
| 19:53.44 | Cryp71c | Is recovery-console as close as I can get to a full shell (since I can't boot into my installation at the moment)? |
| 19:53.46 | robokop | hmm, how much stuff would break if i made a directory named '*' |
| 19:53.49 | zaltekk | right. i have no idea what the debian installer would have/would not have done for you |
| 19:53.50 | karlpinc | Cryp71c: And you rebuilt your initrd? (Try update-initramfs -u -k all) You could boot from the install media in rescue mode to get running enough to try that. |
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| 19:54.04 | Cryp71c | karlpinc: let me try that. |
| 19:54.15 | karlpinc | Cryp71c: Sorry to hear the install did not go well. |
| 19:54.18 | Cryp71c | karlpinc: will I need to mount my drives in order to have write access and all that? |
| 19:54.32 | Cryp71c | (once I'm in the recovery console from the installation media0 |
| 19:54.37 | lapsusbrutus | Anyone used squid lately. I know that in older versions one need to use iptables to make it transparent, not its possible with just adding the word "transparent" to a line, right. So no more fiddeling with iptables for making squid working? I thought I better ask first, before breaking something :p |
| 19:54.43 | karlpinc | Cryp71c: I think if you choose rescue mode in the boot menu it will automatically mount and chroot for you. |
| 19:55.05 | justin | robokop: nothing will break. you may break things trying to remove it though :) |
| 19:55.06 | lapsusbrutus | :s/not its possible/now its possible/ |
| 19:55.37 | Cryp71c | karlpinc: one of the other members was talking about potentially missing / wrong drivers in initramfs, do you think that might be worth investigating as a first-step as well? |
| 19:55.40 | karlpinc | How can I get my console to go back to an old 80x24 display. After upgrading to squeeze the fonts are all almost impossibly tiny and nothing I seem to be able to do with "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" seems to make much improvement. |
| 19:56.01 | karlpinc | Cryp71c: Rebuilding the initrd _should_ fix things. |
| 19:56.46 | karlpinc | Oops. Forgot to add the ? to my question. |
| 19:57.15 | zaltekk | karlpinc: either tell your bootloader (lilo.conf or grub.conf) or blacklist the framebuffer driver(like nouveau for nvidia cards) |
| 19:58.29 | karlpinc | zaltekk: I think I should blacklist the framebuffer driver. The very first messages from the kernel are fine. How would I go about blacklisting? Where do I rtfm? In the kernel docs? |
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| 19:58.56 | karlpinc | zaltekk: How would messing about in grub help? |
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| 19:59.43 | zaltekk | karlpinc: /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 19:59.56 | zaltekk | karlpinc: sometimes you can set the video mode in the bootloader |
| 20:00.13 | karlpinc | zaltekk: That would be with a kernel parameter? |
| 20:00.23 | zaltekk | could be. |
| 20:00.38 | zaltekk | it would default to the standard vga term size |
| 20:00.51 | zaltekk | so your problem is likely nouveau(if you have an nvidia chip) |
| 20:01.27 | karlpinc | zaltekk: This has happened to the 4 boxes I've upgraded from lenny to squeeze so far. At least one has an ati radeon chip. |
| 20:01.35 | quazi_farhan | hello folks, I have heard that distros patch the default kernels to suit their setup. If I download the latest kernel and make a fresh compile over Debian 6's default installation, will there be something I miss. |
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| 20:01.50 | solvedsnake | Hi |
| 20:01.59 | karlpinc | zaltekk: Teensy fonts are lame. I don't know what package to complain to. |
| 20:02.00 | zaltekk | quazi_farhan: likely not. just make sure you config it properly |
| 20:02.11 | zaltekk | karlpinc: i thought it was the resolution..? |
| 20:02.24 | karlpinc | !tell quazi_farhan about make-kpkg |
| 20:02.53 | karlpinc | zaltekk: Depends on how you look at it. |
| 20:03.08 | zaltekk | it's two very different issues |
| 20:03.16 | solvedsnake | dpkg started giving me general protection fault errors after a failed GNOME install attempt |
| 20:03.16 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, solvedsnake |
| 20:03.18 | karlpinc | zaltekk: I don't know why fonts are sized in points if the size of the points changes depending on the resolution. |
| 20:03.28 | solvedsnake | Is there a way to clear its cache or something? |
| 20:03.46 | quazi_farhan | zaltekk, thanks :) |
| 20:03.52 | Galaxor | Hi. My apt-get install --reinstall didn't work. It said: Reinstallation of redis-server is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. What does that mean? |
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| 20:03.57 | Cryp71c | karlpinc: that command reported back "Generating /boob/initrd.img-2.6.32...." (it had the full kernel version thingy) |
| 20:04.12 | karlpinc | Cryp71c: That's what it's supposed to do. |
| 20:04.17 | zaltekk | Cryp71c: as long as it goes into boot, it should be okay |
| 20:04.28 | Cryp71c | BTW, in the recovery env it asked me to pick the drive I wanted to mount and one of the last options |
| 20:04.37 | karlpinc | zaltekk: Yes. Boobs are always distracting. |
| 20:04.57 | Cryp71c | was to "assemble a raid" which I chose (for giggles), picked sda1 and sdb1 and it mounted fine and put me into the rescue env |
| 20:05.07 | Cryp71c | (This was before I ran the update-initramfs command) |
| 20:05.10 | Cryp71c | so..IDK what's going on. |
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| 20:05.18 | zaltekk | karlpinc: i don't know why upgrading would change that unless it installed something new...like a framebuffer :P |
| 20:05.19 | karlpinc | Cryp71c: Did you then reboot? |
| 20:05.23 | Cryp71c | karlpinc: about to. |
| 20:05.24 | Galaxor | I thought maybe there's a newer version of redis-server and the old package url didn't work, so I did apt-get update, but it complained that it the pubkey wasn't available. |
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| 20:05.34 | zaltekk | karlpinc: but to be honest, i know next to nothing about debian itself. i haven't even used my 6.0 dvd yet |
| 20:05.35 | karlpinc | Cryp71c: That's the way to test. |
| 20:05.38 | quazi_farhan | karlpinc, thanks .... just the thing I wanted :) |
| 20:06.00 | karlpinc | zaltekk: See the release notes, what's new. They did something to "unify" the console and X. |
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| 20:06.04 | oru_work | i downloaded .tar.gz file how can I install it ? |
| 20:06.06 | zaltekk | running slackware-13.37-rc3 right now |
| 20:06.38 | zaltekk | oru_work: you usually don't install .tar.gz files...they tend to contain source for a program that you have to build |
| 20:07.29 | karlpinc | oru_work: Usually you untar them, then compile and install the program using make by reading the README and INSTALL files. Doing such things is dangerous and can lead to a broken system unless you know what you're doing. Most users should stick to installing software supplied by Debian. |
| 20:07.36 | karlpinc | !tell oru_work about stow |
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| 20:08.22 | Rajko | whats that program |
| 20:08.24 | Rajko | that shows bandwidth usage |
| 20:08.28 | Rajko | not iptraf or ntop |
| 20:08.36 | karlpinc | oru_work: If you plan to use stow you'll also want to read the <stow usage> factoid. |
| 20:09.01 | karlpinc | !tell Rajko about search |
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| 20:09.28 | karlpinc | Rajko: I always find debtags very useful in your situation. |
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| 20:09.51 | Rajko | it just shows like 3 lines of output, constantly refreshing |
| 20:10.28 | karlpinc | Rajko: netstat does this on OpenBSD, but I'm not sure about debian. |
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| 20:11.04 | Rajko | vmtraf or something |
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| 20:11.27 | petemc | iftop does similar |
| 20:11.47 | petemc | shows one line per connection |
| 20:12.38 | Cryp71c | karlpinc: zaltekk: justin: nope :( still same error. Rebooting into recovery console |
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| 20:13.34 | oru_work | karlpinc, I installed stow, what can I do with it ? |
| 20:13.34 | jhutchins_lt | justin: the -x option for sh doesn't seem to be in the manpage - is it documented somewhere else? |
| 20:14.27 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: I always look in man bash, and then try to filter out the bashims. |
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| 20:14.50 | petemc | why? sh on debian is bash? |
| 20:15.00 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: Are you thinking of "set -x"? |
| 20:15.17 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: no, sh -x <something> |
| 20:15.24 | karlpinc | petemc: As of squeeze dash is the preferred sh. And stuff that runs in it is much more portable. |
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| 20:16.19 | karlpinc | petemc: Replacing bash with dash reduces the base system footprint too. |
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| 20:18.19 | Cryp71c | jhutchins_lt: you mentioned earlier something about the initramfs for my raid issues, where can I find that file/directory and what am I looking for? |
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| 20:25.38 | Cryp71c | Should the /etc/fstab entries for the raid arrays match the output in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf and mdadm --detail --scan ? |
| 20:25.45 | Cryp71c | Shouldn't all 3 of those match (as far as the UUIDs and whatnot) |
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| 20:26.41 | karlpinc | !tell oru_work about stow usage |
| 20:27.01 | Griob | What is the difference between executing a command as root (logged in as root using su or sudo -s) and sudo'ing the command? either way arent the commands entered executed as root and therefore just as dangerous? |
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| 20:28.11 | Zao | Griob: sudo can restrict the set of commands executable. |
| 20:28.13 | karlpinc | Griob: You have re-disovered why sudo, unless you're using it to restrict which commands are runnable, is less safe than su. With sudo you need only a single set of credentials whereas su requires 2. |
| 20:28.52 | Zao | The benefit of su -c or sudo is that you're not constantly elevated in a terminal. |
| 20:29.25 | karlpinc | Griob: The important thing is not to login as root because then there's no log identifying a real person who gained access. |
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| 20:29.37 | Zao | Quite useful if you accidentally target the wrong terminal. <_< |
| 20:30.06 | karlpinc | Zao: Although having the prompt show the hostname helps. |
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| 20:30.48 | Cryp71c | karlpinc: any idea on whether or not the UUID's should match between /etc/fstab, the mdadm conf file and the mdadm scan results? |
| 20:30.50 | justin | Cryp71c: no, the UUID in fstab would be the filesytem UUID |
| 20:30.54 | Zao | All real men needs is a '# ' prompt :D |
| 20:31.04 | Cryp71c | justin: curses, I was hoping that was the issue. |
| 20:31.04 | justin | Cryp71c: but the mdadm config should match the mdadm scan |
| 20:31.08 | Cryp71c | yeah, it does. |
| 20:31.14 | justin | Cryp71c: fstab should match the output of blkid |
| 20:31.37 | karlpinc | Zao: That and job control. :) |
| 20:31.58 | blindvt | hi.. I have trouble on testing/amd64 with an iwl3945 network card in that it seem to not load it's firmware (and thus the network is down, even scanning doesn't work). Any takers? |
| 20:32.06 | Cryp71c | justin: yes, it does |
| 20:32.36 | justin | Cryp71c: so from the rescue environment you can mount everything ok? |
| 20:33.29 | Cryp71c | justin: correct, and when I enter the rescuve env and you chose a partition to mount as / I can choose the "assemble raid" and it works just fine. |
| 20:33.50 | karlpinc | blindvt: Tell us the pciid reported by "lspci -nn". We can then /msg judd pciid [xxx:yyy] and it'll tell us the driver required. From there see the driver's factoid. |
| 20:34.01 | justin | well I guess you can try chrooting and rebuilding the initrd, it couldn't hurt |
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| 20:34.25 | karlpinc | justin: I had him do that. (I thought that's what he did. Better double check.) |
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| 20:35.09 | Cryp71c | yeah, I already rebuilt the initrd (though I didn't chroot [I got no errors, perhaps the rescue env does that automatically?]). |
| 20:35.21 | oru_work | karlpinc, errr, it doesn't make much sense to me |
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| 20:36.14 | Cryp71c | justin: -_- |
| 20:36.17 | Cryp71c | sad face. |
| 20:36.41 | justin | yeah, weird |
| 20:36.44 | blindvt | dmesg etc are: http://paste.debian.net/111754/ lspci -vvxxx is http://paste.debian.net/111757/ |
| 20:36.45 | jY | is there something in that makes the OS thing its 32bit.. i cant install a 64bit deb i get package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386) uname -m shows x86_64 |
| 20:37.16 | Cryp71c | jY: no, a 64 bit package is a 64 bit package, a 32 bit package is a 32 bit package, theyre compiled differently. |
| 20:37.28 | Cryp71c | For whatever you're trying to install, go download it again except download the 32 bit version. |
| 20:37.48 | blindvt | karlpinc, 8086:4222 (or above for the more elaborate config) |
| 20:37.50 | jY | Cryp71c, i need the 64bit version |
| 20:38.24 | jY | unless the OS is 32bit but the xen kernel is 64 bit |
| 20:38.32 | jY | whoever made this ami sucks |
| 20:39.07 | blindvt | karlpinc, i do have iwl3945 but it doesn't load firmware AFAICS |
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| 20:40.50 | lapsusbrutus | I did set up dnsmasq and squid i chroot. All work fine now except dns. client gets correct dnsserver 192.168.0.1.. But cant look up things from client. From host and chroot I can. looks like caching enabled also :) what could be wrong? |
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| 20:41.11 | justin | lapsusbrutus: firewall? |
| 20:41.31 | justin | lapsusbrutus: when client looks up a domain, does the server then attempt the lookup on behalf of the client? |
| 20:41.36 | justin | you can verify this with tcpdump |
| 20:42.00 | lapsusbrutus | I guess not, since server can look up thing for it self? |
| 20:42.39 | justin | try a tcpdump -n -i eth0 port 53 |
| 20:43.52 | blindvt | and i do have the iwl firmware binaries installed. Why isn't the freaking firmware not loaded? |
| 20:44.23 | justin | you should see client -> server request for foo.com, server -> internet nameserver request for foo.com, internet -> server reply for foo.com, server -> client reply for foo.com |
| 20:44.38 | justin | may have to look up a domain not in the cache to see everything |
| 20:45.03 | justin | depending on which of those you are not seeing will further explain the problem |
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| 20:46.14 | blindvt | wow. lots of people in #here by now. Where are the 2 digit head-count times ;) |
| 20:47.03 | lapsusbrutus | justin: ok thanks alot, ill try the tcpdump :) |
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| 20:50.06 | lapsusbrutus | tcpdump -n -i eth0 port 53 That was an awesome command! :) no action on that port when looking up from client.. from the chroot on the other hand.. |
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| 20:51.12 | DelphiWorld | re |
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| 20:51.25 | DelphiWorld | guys, what do i need to get core sounds and usb sounds support? |
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| 20:59.22 | jhutchins_lt | DelphiWorld: alsa is generally installed by default. |
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| 21:06.20 | dotlegend | i have a secondary drive that is ext4, should i leave it that or change to ext3 and why? |
| 21:06.49 | jhutchins_lt | dotlegend: Do you need the ext4 features? |
| 21:07.12 | dotlegend | not sure about the features, i am switching from ubuntu to debian |
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| 21:08.26 | witchdoc | hi all |
| 21:08.38 | jhutchins_lt | ext4 has features that support large files and large filesystems. If you don't know you need it, you probably don't. ext3 has slightly better support and a longer track record. |
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| 21:13.40 | Anthro | I'm having trouble with getting PHP working. I've gotten to the point where I am receiving the PHP source as text/plain. php5.load and php5.conf are in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled and I have restarted apache2. Help? |
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| 21:16.15 | Black_Prince | Anthro where do you put your php files in? |
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| 21:25.15 | Anthro | Black_Prince: /home/weave-mozilla-sync |
| 21:25.17 | jhutchins | !php |
| 21:25.17 | dpkg | PHP is a scripting language. To install, ask me about <install php>. See also <php5>, <php4 security>, <php wants me to download still>, <php mysql>, <php userdir>, <phpmyadmin>, <php gd>, <pear>, <pecl>, <xampp>. http://wiki.debian.org/PHP http://www.php.net/ #php on irc.oftc.net, #php and ##php on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:26.47 | jhutchins | 9999999999999999999999999999999999999+5222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222 |
| 21:27.14 | AthomIk | sometime X can take +80% of my cpu why ? it s gnome bug ? |
| 21:27.16 | Black_Prince | jhutchins your keyboard fell of table? |
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| 21:27.39 | jhutchins_lt | Black_Prince: Cat. |
| 21:28.26 | jhutchins_lt | Black_Prince: She uses the enter key on the keypad. |
| 21:28.41 | Black_Prince | Smart one |
| 21:28.52 | streuner__ | s/she/it/ |
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| 21:29.12 | Black_Prince | Anthro, I saw your problem today ... Some config file disabled php in /home/* directories |
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| 21:29.37 | Anthro | Black_Prince: It's only supposed to be in /home/*/public_html |
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| 21:31.15 | Black_Prince | I have no idea what's causing your problem |
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| 21:46.07 | Ringojhk | I have a problem of getting wlan0 to show up in iwconfig. After installing firmware-realtek" and "modprobe -r r8192s_usb ; modprobe r8192s_usb" this is the output of dmesg|tail -20 http://pastebin.com/e48xeHuP |
| 21:48.25 | Ringojhk | where does it get rtl819xU?? |
| 21:49.56 | Ringojhk | ifup wlan0 does not work |
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| 21:54.12 | Ringojhk | anyone here? |
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| 21:55.53 | Ringojhk | ok I think I know the problem... I have another wireless (PCI) card in this box, I want to use my usb stick |
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| 21:56.29 | Ringojhk | how do I correct this? |
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| 22:00.20 | danilo | does someone use tsocks here? does anyone noted that it doesn't resolve names for some reason? |
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| 22:03.04 | zgedneil | Ringojhk: tried wlan1? :-) |
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| 22:04.00 | Ringojhk | ok I guess that makes sense, thanks zgedneil will try it |
| 22:04.18 | zgedneil | it would probably need separate configuration but that would be my guess at least |
| 22:04.43 | Ringojhk | I did it earlier as wlan0 |
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| 22:06.17 | zgedneil | it might be worth trying a plain "iwconfig" to see what's where |
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| 22:14.23 | MrOpposite | Hello |
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| 22:14.51 | MrOpposite | What version(s) of debian |
| 22:14.56 | MrOpposite | is compatible with compaq proliant 8000? |
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| 22:16.11 | kva | hello, all. anyone can help me with video on daily snapshot of unstable? it looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/683775 and squeeze is working |
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| 22:19.02 | ompaul | MrOpposite: given the age of the kit have you tried Squeeze? |
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| 22:19.27 | MrOpposite | no, I didn't know where to start, but I can try that one. |
| 22:19.42 | ompaul | try the current - if it has problems come back |
| 22:19.46 | MrOpposite | ok |
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| 22:20.14 | MrOpposite | I tried the current version of ubuntu server, with only one cd-disk left. That didn't even start the installation. |
| 22:20.20 | MrOpposite | So I decided to try debian |
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| 22:20.41 | MrOpposite | but before I wasted any cd's I thought I'd check here to see if you guys had any info |
| 22:22.11 | MrFrood | MrOpposite: minimum spec for squeeze is (I think) 48MB and a 486 processor |
| 22:22.28 | MrOpposite | well, the machine I'm gonna install it on |
| 22:22.32 | ompaul | MrFrood: it is a PIII |
| 22:22.33 | MrOpposite | has 8x55mhz |
| 22:22.41 | MrOpposite | and 4gb ram |
| 22:22.46 | MrOpposite | 550mhz* |
| 22:23.24 | MrFrood | MrOpposite: that would exceed the minimum specs then ;) |
| 22:23.35 | MrOpposite | Yea |
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| 22:31.33 | muhoo | how can i get a list of all held packages and unhold them? |
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| 22:33.02 | k3rmat | @ muhoo 'dpkg --get-selections |grep hold' |
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| 22:33.14 | k3rmat | will get you the packages being held |
| 22:33.52 | muhoo | cool, how do i unhold? |
| 22:33.57 | k3rmat | 'echo "[packageName] install" | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 22:34.11 | k3rmat | will relieve the hold |
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| 22:36.09 | muhoo | hmm, no holds! |
| 22:36.20 | muhoo | but, my dist-upgrade from lemmy to squeeze is stuck: |
| 22:36.20 | muhoo | E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. |
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| 22:36.48 | muhoo | but --get-selections shows no holds :-( |
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| 22:37.29 | muhoo | E: Unable to correct dependencies |
| 22:37.40 | muhoo | ugly: libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.7-18) but 2.11.2-10 is installed |
| 22:38.05 | k3rmat | and you cannot 'apt-get -f install' |
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| 22:38.54 | muhoo | ah shit. i forgot to apt-get upgrade BEFORE doing apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:39.11 | muhoo | i updated, then went straight to dist-upgrade. it's been a few years since i did this last. |
| 22:39.43 | muhoo | well, how can i get myself unstuck here? |
| 22:40.31 | k3rmat | not too sure, I am trying to fix my dep issues right now and recently tried putting some packages on hold |
| 22:40.36 | k3rmat | so I knew exactly how to do it |
| 22:40.48 | k3rmat | literally copied it out of my terminal :-) |
| 22:41.28 | muhoo | auugh. |
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| 22:41.56 | joe6 | is emacs23 the latest emacs package? |
| 22:42.01 | k3rmat | anyway, does anyone know how to suppress conflicts so apt(itude) will continue to update and install packages, the packages in conflict were able to coexist in Etch but in Lenny, and Squeeze, cannot. |
| 22:42.08 | joe6 | for testing? |
| 22:42.41 | k3rmat | and I have a large amount of scripts that depend on both to function correctly, making me resistent to change how I am doing things atm. |
| 22:42.47 | joe6 | apt-cache search emacs does not give enough details. |
| 22:43.14 | blackshirt | can someone help me to configure phpldapadmin to access active directory contents with samba4 |
| 22:43.17 | muhoo | well i'm stuck |
| 22:43.25 | muhoo | i have an unusable unbootable machine. this is bad. |
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| 22:43.55 | muhoo | well, i dunno if it's unbootable, because i'm not rrebooting this thing till i fix these depencency problems |
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| 22:56.39 | Bird|ghosted | I'm having trouble finding a .deb for libftdi-1.0... |
| 22:57.05 | muhoo | hmm, i may at this point just wipe the drive and reinstall |
| 22:57.07 | muhoo | always an option |
| 22:57.14 | Bird|ghosted | anyone got some ideas where to look? |
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| 23:01.48 | yagoo | Bird|ghosted, should be in debian |
| 23:02.12 | Bird|ghosted | yagoo, all the libftdi stuff refers to libftdi-0.1, even in sid! |
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| 23:03.57 | Ringojhk | can someone help me get my wireless usb stick to work? |
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| 23:04.44 | Ringojhk | wlan0 does not show up in iwconfig |
| 23:04.58 | Bird|ghosted | Ringojhk, what device does it show up as in lsusb? |
| 23:05.24 | yagoo | !wifi |
| 23:05.24 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 23:05.31 | Ringojhk | belkin something or other |
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| 23:05.47 | yagoo | link in my pants ^ |
| 23:05.48 | Ringojhk | that message is the same as when it did work |
| 23:05.59 | yagoo | jk |
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| 23:06.24 | yagoo | Bird|ghosted, you programming? |
| 23:06.41 | MrFrood | Ringojhk: belkin is the make not the chip set |
| 23:07.18 | Bird|ghosted | yagoo, yeah, I need to write the EEPROM on a FT232R and ftdi-eeprom 0.3 doesn't suport altering the CBUSx pin settings on those chips |
| 23:07.31 | Ringojhk | it is a rtl8192su chipset |
| 23:07.36 | Bird|ghosted | so a Realtek chip. |
| 23:07.41 | Ringojhk | yep |
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| 23:08.37 | Ringojhk | I have a PCI wireless card in this box that could be screwing it up, but it worked earlier today |
| 23:09.44 | Ringojhk | after the modprobes dmesg says this http://pastebin.com/e48xeHuP |
| 23:11.10 | Ringojhk | I reinstalled it |
| 23:11.56 | yagoo | !RTL8192 |
| 23:11.56 | dpkg | For support of Realtek 802.11n wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rtl8191se>, <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192se> (PCI-E chipsets); <rtl8192su>, <rtl8192u> (USB chipsets). http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
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| 23:12.24 | wolfric | What can i use to see the current usage of my network connection |
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| 23:12.35 | Zao | dstat |
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| 23:13.56 | fosstux | Hi! I know there are panels around for managing lamp servers including mail etc. But is there a simpler solution such as a web based vhost generator for apache? |
| 23:14.00 | wolfric | Zao: anyone on gnome? |
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| 23:14.14 | orudie | is this normal ? Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces ... (warning). |
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| 23:15.25 | orudie | http://paste.debian.net/111765/ |
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| 23:17.39 | yagoo | orudie, probably NetworkManager is supposed to be replacing it.. |
| 23:17.42 | yagoo | !NetworkManager |
| 23:17.42 | dpkg | NetworkManager is a network management framework daemon. See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian for setup instructions and ask me about <nm squeeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager http://live.gnome.org/DarrenAlbers/NetworkManagerFAQ http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/ #nm on irc.freenode.net. See also <wireless connection managers>. |
| 23:18.11 | fosstux | yagoo: also on a debian server???? |
| 23:18.24 | orudie | yeah thats what i'm running, debian server |
| 23:18.37 | orudie | or at least this is what I think I am running, since I did not choose to install GUI |
| 23:19.10 | blackshirt | hello |
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| 23:20.15 | yagoo | fosstux, orudie, not sure where the future is for /etc/network/interfaces or /etc/init.d/networking.. but i'm speculating networkmanager is supposed to be replacing it.. |
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| 23:20.32 | factorx | is there any possibility to write a keyscript that provides passphrase fallback, if the keyfile is not found in cryptsetup? |
| 23:21.05 | yagoo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:22.42 | factorx | yagoo: dunno if ssh is able to do that as well. but basically I just want to have the option to enter a passphrase in case the usb drive with my luks key is not present at boot |
| 23:22.42 | orudie | i just tried updatedb, and it says command not found, any ideas ? |
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| 23:23.30 | factorx | I'm running an encrypted root disk, that's the reason why |
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| 23:30.40 | kyodai | how to uninstall nvidia driver installed from the official site |
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| 23:33.38 | yagoo | kyodai, if you type --uninstall or --help with ./NVi* then you should be able to.. actually a new edition of the NVidia*.run will upgrade anyprevious nvidia install |
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| 23:34.16 | Griob | Is there a channel on this server that can explain lGPL and GPL? |
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| 23:43.52 | yagoo | Griob, gnu.org / wikipedia ? |
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| 23:44.08 | yagoo | Griob, the mailing lists are best for this.. |
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| 23:45.22 | Griob | yagoo im not exactly a lawyer, the license itself is gibberish to me. |
| 23:45.27 | yagoo | Griob, lgpl is good because it encourages third party commercial makers to use the library and not having to release their source code-- the up side is that the library becomes popular and can get fund raises from those who use it |
| 23:46.07 | Griob | ok |
| 23:46.17 | yagoo | Griob, that's pretty much it.. |
| 23:46.43 | Griob | which is why i said ok |
| 23:46.46 | Griob | thanks |
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| 23:53.49 | SgrA | How long should it take before FF4 comes on squeeze? |
| 23:54.05 | daemonkeeper | 2 years. Roughly. |
| 23:54.14 | SgrA | o_O |
| 23:54.25 | MrFrood | SgrA: keep an eye on backports |
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| 23:54.40 | SgrA | is clueless of that word. |
| 23:54.42 | daemonkeeper | Debian Squeeze will never get Firefox 4, this is not how Debian works. If anything, you can use a backport. |
| 23:54.52 | daemonkeeper | !backports |
| 23:54.52 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 23:54.53 | MrFrood | !backports |
| 23:55.02 | MrFrood | !backport |
| 23:55.02 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 23:55.58 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 23:56.52 | Azrael_- | i got a virtual debian lenny machine which doesn't react onto an arp-request. this is the tcpdump http://pastebin.com/Vjzix8xV and this is the config: http://pastebin.com/rZUQcEMb |
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| 23:57.15 | Azrael_- | andy idea why it doesn't answer and/or how i can force it? |
| 23:57.42 | KB1JWQ | Azrael_-: What's your virtualization technology? |
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| 23:59.15 | Azrael_- | xen 3.4.1 |
| 23:59.27 | Azrael_- | sorry 3.4.2 |
| 23:59.47 | Azrael_- | bridged mode, self compiled. worked before. just after switching the macadress of the vm everything failed |