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| 00:01.55 | Azrael_- | i'm going crazy |
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| 00:06.24 | SgrA | MrFrood: It may not be available immediately, eh? |
| 00:07.50 | MrFrood | SgrA: if you must have shiny toys straight away http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 00:08.04 | SgrA | XD |
| 00:08.55 | MrFrood | SgrA: be warned it's been cracking under the load today... |
| 00:09.17 | SgrA | :) |
| 00:09.24 | SgrA | Of course it would be |
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| 00:10.59 | muhoo | reinstall done |
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| 00:17.22 | MrFrood | SgrA: If you want a proper web browser http://www.floodgap.com/retrotech/machten/mosaic/ :P |
| 00:17.36 | SgrA | :D |
| 00:17.55 | SgrA | Chromatin FTW |
| 00:17.59 | Connor1 | I love it when my laptop doesn't boot up when I'm gone but works perfeclty at home |
| 00:18.01 | SgrA | Er what was its name? |
| 00:18.03 | SgrA | Chromatid? |
| 00:18.07 | nze | would you consider this a sane partitioning scheme for a small server (mainly apache, prosody, exim, dovecot, postgres; ~10 users)? /boot 100M, swap 1G, / 2G, /home + /tmp rest, /usr 8G, /var 16G |
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| 00:19.45 | sedulous | do you see any problems with using an UTF-8 hostname, like â? |
| 00:20.11 | sedulous | it seems to work just fine at the first glance but i'm not sure if it's a good idea |
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| 00:23.06 | somiaj | sedulous: depends on if a non uft-8 complient application has trouble with the string or not. It shouldn't but if you find any cases where its an issue should let the matiainers/upstream of the programs know. |
| 00:23.43 | somiaj | sedulous: though for someone like me who doesn't use utf-8, I can't see your hostname, so have to also think about other computers that would need to use the hostname |
| 00:24.18 | sedulous | somiaj: it's only a laptop but you're right, it might break stuff |
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| 00:25.08 | somiaj | nze: most modern machines don't need a /boot, so unless you want it to be a different filesystem, I personally don't see a reason for /boot to be its own partition on modern hardware. As for the rest, it really depends on where you data gets put. Splitting things up sometimes helps backups but at the same time only makes things more frustrating if one partition gets full while the others are mostly empty |
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| 00:25.44 | mininessie | i tried to install the unstable netinstall and when it got done with the desktop packages installing and such it rebooted and wouldn't boot an os at all it asked for a cd or something i don |
| 00:25.47 | somiaj | nze: for the most part I don't put much extra in /usr to require it to be on a seperate partition than /, but /var, /tmp, /home on their own partitions is fairly standard |
| 00:25.57 | mininessie | don't remember but help |
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| 00:26.00 | somiaj | mininessie: what did you use to install 'sid' |
| 00:26.26 | somiaj | mininessie: afaik there are no unstable installers. Most would suggest you install a stable base system, then dist-upgrade to sid, then install additional packages. |
| 00:26.53 | jhutchins_lt | mininessie: Unstable is not expected to produce a working system. |
| 00:27.18 | mininessie | jhutchins_lt: you serious |
| 00:27.27 | nze | somiaj: is there actually a good reason to seperate /tmp and /home? |
| 00:27.30 | somiaj | mininessie: what do you think 'unstalbe' means |
| 00:28.00 | somiaj | nze: /home is usually sperated because that is where users have write access and it can keep more vital systems form filling up with user crap |
| 00:28.13 | mininessie | somiaj: so basically install debian 6 and upgrade to the rolling release unstable version |
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| 00:28.54 | somiaj | nze: /tmp is usually seperated off and put as a tmpfs or memory drive as opposed to a physical drive. Also since everyone has write access here limiting the amount of space prevents users from filling up more vital space |
| 00:29.30 | somiaj | mininessie: that is how I would do it. Though really I would just mount the drive I want to install debian on and use debootstrap, but the privious method will be the 'easyist' |
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| 00:29.55 | jhutchins_lt | mininessie: Totally. |
| 00:30.09 | jhutchins_lt | mininessie: Sid is the repository for new software that's moving toward testing. |
| 00:30.13 | jhutchins_lt | !unstable |
| 00:30.13 | dpkg | [unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 00:30.16 | nze | somiaj: but they have write access to /tmp as well; i see how it makes to have it on a different partition than / , but putting it together with /home would just be a bit more flexible |
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| 00:31.09 | somiaj | nze: It is beyond my knowledge to know if you can mount the same parititon in two different places /home and /tmp will have to be different partitions, unless you make /tmp link to /home/tmp |
| 00:31.10 | jhutchins_lt | mininessie: It is EXPECTED to be broken. |
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| 00:31.28 | somiaj | nze: well you can mount --bind, but that really isn't the effect you want. |
| 00:31.32 | mininessie | is debian unstable different than debian testign |
| 00:31.40 | somiaj | mininessie: yes |
| 00:31.44 | jhutchins_lt | mininessie: Very. |
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| 00:31.54 | jhutchins_lt | mininessie: Of course, new testing like wheezy isn't that different. |
| 00:31.59 | somiaj | mininessie: only things that don't break unstable have a chance to filter down to testing. |
| 00:32.29 | mininessie | i want the rolling release version of debian |
| 00:32.38 | somiaj | unstable has very little testing its mostly just here is the new package, throw it in, if it lives long enough with out any grave bug reports then it drops down into testing. |
| 00:32.43 | nze | somiaj: just have a home and a tmp directory on it and mount it into / ? |
| 00:32.52 | somiaj | nze: mounting doens't work that way |
| 00:33.07 | somiaj | nze: you will need a seperate partition for /home and /tmp |
| 00:33.29 | mininessie | i just want debian testing give me the link or a way to get it |
| 00:33.58 | MrFrood | mininessie: install stable and dist-upgrade |
| 00:34.18 | mininessie | MrFrood: thanks |
| 00:34.18 | somiaj | mininessie: same basic idea, use the stable installer, install debian stable base system, dist-upgrade to testing, and then install additional packages (usually best to dist upgrade with just a base system as there is less to upgrade before installing additional software) |
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| 00:34.41 | themill | dpkg: tell mininessie about squeeze->wheezy |
| 00:34.53 | themill | mininessie: also, /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 00:34.56 | somiaj | mininessie: a bit later in testing development they do release a 'testing' installer to test, but at times this can be broken and its always safer to install stable and then upgrade. |
| 00:35.05 | mininessie | somiaj: thanks can i do this with kde |
| 00:35.15 | somiaj | mininessie: what do you mean 'can you do this with kde?' |
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| 00:35.41 | somiaj | mininessie: kde is is no way a part of the base system, so installing the stable version of that then upgrading only makes more work and gives more things to break in the upgrade |
| 00:35.48 | themill | the kde versions in squeeze and testing are the same. |
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| 00:36.56 | mininessie | somiaj: i want to use kde and upgrade to testing is that possible |
| 00:37.38 | somiaj | mininessie: it is possible, you can upgrade any stable install to testing. I am just saying for most cases it will be less troublesome if testing is your goal to upgrade a base system first then install the additional software like kde |
| 00:37.55 | somiaj | mininessie: but as themill mentioned the versions are the same right now since its still close to the release of 6.0 |
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| 00:38.30 | \3TATUK | Why does http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/iceweasel list the latest version as 3.5.16-5 but aptitude is reporting a security upgrade to a 3.5.16-6 version is available? |
| 00:38.33 | somiaj | nze: you may want to look into LVM (logical volume manager), this will allow you to say take disk space on a single disk (or multiple disks) and split it up how ever you want in your partition system |
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| 00:39.06 | somiaj | \3TATUK: the security update came today, and packages.debian.org is giving the version found in the offical repos, not the security updates found on security.debian.org |
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| 00:39.35 | somiaj | nze: it will also give you nice tools to change the sizes of your partions down the road if you find one place needs more space and another does not. |
| 00:40.03 | themill | \3TATUK: packages.d.o tends to lag a little. |
| 00:40.55 | \3TATUK | somiaj: thanks for clarifying ... it's be nice if the two coordinated a little closer, also just reporting the security updates changelogs aren't available (i reported that the past 20+ non-security upgrades were missing changelogs and it's been appropriately handled) |
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| 00:40.59 | \3TATUK | thanks folks |
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| 00:41.22 | somiaj | \3TATUK: add yourself to the security mailing list or check debian.org for the debian security anoucments |
| 00:41.37 | themill | /part-ing before you get answers is also helpful |
| 00:42.27 | nze | somiaj: for now i just debootstrapped into the old swap space for tossing the old system around to make some space; i looked at lvm but wasn't very convinced of its usefulness |
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| 00:43.14 | somiaj | nze: for a single disk its usefulness is allowing a simple way to change partition sizes on the fly, with mutliple disks it allows you treat them all as one disk and its usfulness is far greater. |
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| 00:43.54 | kevin01123 | Is it advisible to let the Debian installer erase my hard drive to make an encrypted LVM? Or can I just cancel it? |
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| 00:44.55 | somiaj | kevin01123: depends on what YOU want to do. If you don't want an encrypted LVM then no its not advisable. If you care about the data on your disk and have it partitioned like you like already then NO, etc. |
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| 00:45.15 | somiaj | kevin01123: it should just be asking you if you would like this process to be automated. |
| 00:45.40 | nze | i guess so.. so far i have just one disk, but the easy resizing might save me some headache. though booting into a rescue system and moving partitions around isn't all that bad neither. |
| 00:46.08 | kevin01123 | somiaj: I pick encrypted LVM with seperate /home partition. It starts erasing, but gives the option to cancel. |
| 00:46.10 | nze | somiaj: what are the actual downsides of lvm? |
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| 00:46.41 | somiaj | nze: harder to set up, and if you if the LVM master file gets corrupted, recovering data can be far more diffcult |
| 00:47.02 | kevin01123 | somiaj: I'm just wondering if there are any reprecussions of cancelling the erasing of data on the disk. I know Fedora doesn't nuke the drive in the install, so I don't think it would. |
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| 00:47.42 | somiaj | kevin01123: I don't know, never used it. But my guess is if it says erasing data, even canceling in the middle of it some of the data could already be errased. |
| 00:48.18 | somiaj | kevin01123: I would double check the documentation (I haven't actually used the debian installer in about 8 years) |
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| 00:49.33 | somiaj | nze: also in order to get data off the LVM you have to actually boot up the lvm, so just putting yoru disk into another computer via USB bay, it may not be easy to get data off of it. Again since I haven't used it that much I can't give more detials than what I have read/heard about in passing. |
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| 00:51.19 | nze | somiaj: hmm.. you can't even mount the cold partition on a different system? i guess i'll just go back to your initial proposition and make a seperate /tmp then |
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| 00:51.59 | somiaj | nze: well if your data is spread across multiple disks/partitions that are set up as a single LVM partition, how would the other system know where to find the data without info about the LVM |
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| 00:52.43 | nze | somiaj: sure; i'm still with the single-disk case |
| 00:53.36 | somiaj | nze: yea I am unsure how 'bad' it would get in that case, read some documentation. I'm just saying the drawbacks are probabaly going to be data-recovery in the worst case senerio. The advantages is being able to modify partition sizes, use multiple disks as a single partition, etc |
| 00:53.52 | kevin01123 | somiaj: 8 years?! Wow. Have you been running stable the whole time? |
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| 00:54.13 | somiaj | kevin01123: sid, and when I install new systems I use debootstrap over a usb bay. |
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| 00:55.38 | nze | somiaj: ty, i'll save the doc for tomorrow, have a good day |
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| 00:57.39 | somiaj | kevin01123: yea even when I upgraded from an i386 to a amd64 machine, I just put my old drive in and booted up and it ran fine in 32bit mode, then used deboot strap to put a pure amd64 install on another partition, dual booted until I got the amd64 bugs worked out and switched over (think this same debian install has been in my last 3 computers I've built just by moving the disk around). |
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| 00:57.59 | muhoo | what happened to pand in squeeze? is it not there anymore? used to be in bluez-utils in lemmy, but it seems gone now in squeeze! |
| 00:58.25 | somiaj | muhoo: check the changelog of that package / along with bugreports, the why can most likely be found there. |
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| 01:00.58 | freebird_2 | hi |
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| 01:01.12 | ragnar76 | hi all |
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| 01:02.04 | kevin01123 | somiaj: Damn. That's inspiring. |
| 01:02.15 | ragnar76 | a short qustion. i lost my install dvd and i got a new computer with a core2duo cpu. what dvd image should i download? amd64 or ia64? |
| 01:02.25 | ragnar76 | i used 32 bit before |
| 01:02.27 | himuraken | amd64 |
| 01:03.02 | orudie | how can I create a text file from history command ? |
| 01:03.04 | dvs | ragnar76: amd64 or i386 |
| 01:03.35 | himuraken | ragnar76, IA is for Itanium only. |
| 01:03.49 | Bushmills | orudie: history > textfile |
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| 01:04.33 | ragnar76 | dvs: it's an intel core2duo |
| 01:04.46 | dvs | ragnar76: yeah,so? |
| 01:04.53 | Bushmills | ragnar76: amd64 |
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| 01:06.07 | paq7512 | can i see someone sources list? and where is that located? |
| 01:06.08 | Bushmills | or 686 |
| 01:06.26 | muhoo | somiaj: nope, nothing in there |
| 01:06.27 | himuraken | ragnar76, IA is for Itanium but that isnt stuff youd have at home or lying around XD |
| 01:06.29 | muhoo | about it being removed |
| 01:06.38 | muhoo | in fact, there are no actual utils in bluez-utils anymore! |
| 01:07.00 | muhoo | ah, i see BlueZ 4.x stack |
| 01:07.04 | muhoo | in apt-cache show |
| 01:07.07 | muhoo | shti |
| 01:07.14 | himuraken | ragnar76, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq |
| 01:07.21 | muhoo | where do i get the "bluez 4.0 stack"???! |
| 01:08.00 | muhoo | not helpful http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/bluez-utils |
| 01:08.13 | ragnar76 | himuraken: i was reading about amd64/ia64 in wikipedia and it is confusing me. the german wiki says that intel is using ia64 for his 64 bit cpu's |
| 01:08.30 | muhoo | where the hell is pand?? all i want to do is pair with a network device |
| 01:08.34 | dvs | ragnar76: Yeah, Itaniums |
| 01:09.04 | himuraken | So forget Itanium ragnar76 |
| 01:09.09 | Arrowmaster | 99% chance you have an amd64 and not an ia64 |
| 01:09.39 | hesco | I'm building a new system, intending to run KVM on it, do you suppose I need bind9 here? This is my first time out building a VM host machine. |
| 01:09.41 | dvs | pulls out his Itanium from his basement |
| 01:10.04 | himuraken | ragnar76, in the ever increasing battle for naming things, AMD called their 64bit AMD64 and if I remember right they were first to the table with it so it stuck. Intel calltheirs something like Intel EMT64. But it is the same as far as you are concerned XD |
| 01:10.38 | ragnar76 | dvs, himuraken & Arrowmaster: ok, i'll have a look at it |
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| 01:11.26 | Arrowmaster | AMD64, EMT64, x86_64, x64 are all common names for the same thing |
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| 01:11.35 | himuraken | ragnar76, boils down to: i386 ISO for 32bit and AMD64 for 64bit install on amd or intel |
| 01:11.49 | himuraken | enjoy. |
| 01:13.04 | ragnar76 | another question coms up. do i benefit from it? i only have 4 gig of ram ( i could use a bigmem kernel ) and doing internet, some crosscompiling my atari stuff and mostly desktop use. |
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| 01:13.38 | dvs | ragnar76: With 4GB of RAM, it still can go either way. |
| 01:14.51 | himuraken | ragnar76, assuming your board/system can go over 4GB I would go 64bit. If it cant, you will find less hassles from 32bit. |
| 01:15.04 | Arrowmaster | yeah 4GB is the sweet spot where either works and you just have to make a decision on your own, less than that and 32bit is technically better, more and you really should have 64bit |
| 01:17.16 | ragnar76 | ok, i could upgrade to more memory to 16GB but i think i will not upgrade this computer anymore. maybe the next one will be a 64bit then |
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| 01:23.18 | ragnar76 | ok, bye all and thx a lot |
| 01:24.06 | ddan | ora provo la 2.2 |
| 01:24.09 | ddan | che è froyo, mi pare |
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| 01:24.51 | muhoo | seriously WHERE is pand in squeeze? it's gone. |
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| 01:25.45 | ddan | bluez-utils? |
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| 01:27.43 | muhoo | ddan: not anymore |
| 01:28.04 | muhoo | ddan: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/bluez-utils |
| 01:28.16 | muhoo | but there's no link in there to where to find it now |
| 01:28.59 | ddan | no idea, i dont even use bluetooth |
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| 01:29.32 | themill | ,file bin/pand |
| 01:29.36 | judd | bin/pand in squeeze/i386: bluez-compat: usr/bin/pand |
| 01:30.09 | Connor1 | And after reinstalling Debian my laptop boots up perfectly |
| 01:30.35 | Bushmills | try in bluez-compat |
| 01:30.38 | muhoo | cocmpat! thanks! |
| 01:31.17 | muhoo | Bushmills: there i sno such package in squeeze :-( |
| 01:31.24 | muhoo | E: Unable to locate package bluez-compat |
| 01:31.44 | muhoo | oh wait, i see |
| 01:31.51 | muhoo | nevermind. i have a botched /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:32.17 | Bushmills | ,versions bluez-compat |
| 01:32.20 | judd | Package bluez-compat on i386 -- lenny-backports: 4.66-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.66-3; wheezy: 4.87-2; sid: 4.89-1 |
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| 01:33.14 | joe6 | i killed an apt-get install emacs23 process as it seemed to have hung. Now, I get these errors : http://sprunge.us/bKEa after I deleteed the lock file. |
| 01:33.40 | joe6 | Any thoughts on how I can recover from these errors, please? |
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| 01:35.42 | Connor1 | And it grey screens again |
| 01:36.19 | Bushmills | joe6: in cases of similar problems i was using strace to see where that lock file was. |
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| 01:38.40 | xk | anyone know how to force ipsec (pluto) to listen to specific IP addresses? |
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| 01:39.37 | joe6 | Bushmills, thanks. fuser ......config.dat seems to help too.. |
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| 01:44.06 | orudie | or some reason when i type ssh user@<ip address> i get authorized with ssh key, however when I do ssh user@domain.com it says: Permission denied (publickey). |
| 01:44.14 | orudie | for* |
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| 01:55.28 | NaCl | does dapal frequent here much? |
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| 01:57.18 | abrotman | whowha? |
| 01:57.37 | NaCl | guess not |
| 01:58.05 | NaCl | hmmm... |
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| 01:58.20 | cantido | Doesn't dpkg have a last seen trigger? |
| 01:58.36 | abrotman | it does .. but he would have to be more .. descriptive? |
| 01:58.40 | abrotman | is dapal a DD? |
| 01:58.56 | NaCl | yeah |
| 01:59.02 | abrotman | real name? |
| 01:59.07 | NaCl | David Palenio |
| 01:59.08 | NaCl | I think |
| 01:59.20 | NaCl | dpkg said he wasn't around for three months |
| 01:59.20 | dpkg | NaCl: no idea |
| 01:59.23 | NaCl | and not even in here |
| 01:59.27 | abrotman | maybe OFTC ... |
| 01:59.46 | SgrA | !seen dpkg |
| 01:59.46 | dpkg | SgrA: i haven't seen 'dpkg' |
| 01:59.46 | abrotman | but generally, email is better to contact DDs unless they are known to be active on IRC |
| 01:59.47 | NaCl | asked there too, the bot gave the exact same answer |
| 01:59.49 | SgrA | lol |
| 02:00.05 | abrotman | same bot |
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| 02:00.08 | SgrA | !seen SgrA |
| 02:00.08 | dpkg | sgra is currently on #debian (1h 20m 54s). Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '!seen SgrA'. |
| 02:00.18 | NaCl | abrotman: yeah, he lurks in another channel at times, and is generally responsive, but likes to disappear |
| 02:00.24 | SgrA | Lots of useful details. |
| 02:00.27 | NaCl | eh, I'll mail him later |
| 02:00.28 | cantido | NaCl: send him an email? |
| 02:00.32 | SgrA | :) |
| 02:00.35 | NaCl | yeah, will do |
| 02:00.54 | cantido | NaCl: his contact address will be all over the place.. inside packages, on bug pages,.. |
| 02:01.09 | NaCl | yeah, thanks |
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| 02:01.20 | karlpinc | I'm doing an X thin client. Right now the server runs lenny and the client has been upgraded to squeeze. So I figured I'd want a dock and docky said it wouldn't work without enabling composition, and the README.Debian for cairo-dock says it needs composition and to install xcompmgr. This needs to be installed on the X server to work, right? |
| 02:01.28 | cantido | then you need to find his personal domain and scrap the details from whois to stalk him for real |
| 02:01.35 | cantido | s/scrap/scrape/ |
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| 02:01.44 | NaCl | Yup. |
| 02:01.51 | NaCl | thanks, all |
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| 02:02.28 | abrotman | karlpinc: that sounds reasonable ... |
| 02:02.30 | karlpinc | Running xcompmgr on the client makes the wm go away and leaves only the screen background and the pointer. |
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| 02:03.55 | karlpinc | I need to run xcompmgr before X, or what? There's no sysv startup script.... |
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| 02:04.49 | cantido | karlpinc: I havent done thin clients... but it isn't a daemon,. |
| 02:04.59 | Wickedspawn | hi iRoj |
| 02:05.26 | karlpinc | cantido: I noticed. But it seems to need to well, run. What's supposed to be starting it? |
| 02:05.28 | iRoj | yo |
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| 02:06.43 | cantido | karlpinc: I think its started as part of the "x session". Do the thin clients report having compositing available though? |
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| 02:09.41 | Soothsayer | if I'm running apache under prefork, will doing an apititute update which has ' libapache2-mod-php5' in the list cause any trouble ? |
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| 02:10.01 | cantido | Soothsayer: modphp won't run under the prefork server |
| 02:10.04 | abrotman | Soothsayer: that's a security update .. |
| 02:10.14 | cantido | or does it.. |
| 02:10.17 | cantido | forgets |
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| 02:10.42 | Soothsayer | ok, so I should blindly aptitude update? :-P |
| 02:10.54 | abrotman | judd: depends libapache2-mod-php5 --release squeeze |
| 02:10.56 | judd | Package libapache2-mod-php5 -- depends: libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.11), libcomerr2 (>= 1.01), libdb4.8, libgssapi-krb5-2 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libk5crypto3 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libkrb5-3 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libonig2 (>= 5.2.0), libpcre3 (>= 7.7), libqdbm14 (>= 1.8.74), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8m-1), libxml2 (>= 2.7.4), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), mime-support, apache2-mpm-prefork (>> 2.0.52) | apache2-mpm-itk, |
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| 02:10.57 | judd | apache2.2-common, php5-common (= 5.3.3-7), libmagic1, ucf, tzdata. |
| 02:10.59 | Soothsayer | upgrade* |
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| 02:11.16 | abrotman | cantido: i would say it runs under prefork :) |
| 02:11.46 | cantido | abrotman: yeah, I misremembered which one it was.. I misthought he was going to install php and it was going to remove stuff |
| 02:12.14 | cantido | IIRC the one that gets installed if you install apache2 gets removed if you install modphp |
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| 02:13.39 | Soothsayer | ok update worked :-) |
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| 02:14.46 | cantido | Soothsayer: if you have apt-listchanges (I think) installed it'll give you a list of changed before it does the install and you can back out IIRC |
| 02:14.52 | cantido | s/changed/changes/ |
| 02:15.51 | Soothsayer | cantido: oh let me install that then |
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| 02:16.07 | Soothsayer | by the way is the lenny to squeeze upgrade safe? |
| 02:16.24 | dvs | Soothsayer: If you follow the instructions |
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| 02:16.58 | Soothsayer | dvs: if I have a production server, how much downtime am I looking at ? |
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| 02:17.27 | cantido | Soothsayer: install on one of your backup servers first.. you have backups right? |
| 02:17.38 | dvs | Soothsayer: I'd say less than an hour. Depends on the speed of your Internet connection |
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| 02:21.47 | msh07 | @visto charasky |
| 02:22.00 | ikawe | are the iconv libraries included in build-essential? I'm getting /usr/bin/ld.bfd.real: cannot find -liconv |
| 02:22.10 | hochron | how do you set up an alias ip addr? (hosts?) |
| 02:22.31 | cantido | ikawe: look at what build-essential deps on |
| 02:22.45 | hochron | nm |
| 02:22.49 | ikawe | hochron: look at /etc/hosts, copy the entry for localhost |
| 02:22.55 | ikawe | but call it "whatevernameyouwant" |
| 02:23.52 | abrotman | hochron: you mean a second IP ? |
| 02:24.00 | ikawe | cantido: well, it doesn't depend on any package called iconv, I dont think there is a package (except wrappers for binding to other languages). |
| 02:24.09 | ikawe | I suspect it's in libc |
| 02:24.18 | orudie | I just defined some colors in ~/.bashrc. Logged out and back in and don't see any changes, what could I have missed ? |
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| 02:24.45 | cantido | ikawe: theres a libiconv IIRC |
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| 02:26.47 | hochron | I have a domain and want to jook its ip up with mine |
| 02:27.17 | hochron | I figure Im only one step from it |
| 02:27.30 | ikawe | cantido: I sort of thought there was too, but sadly not. |
| 02:27.43 | Zao | hochron: Try rephrasing that into something that makes sense. |
| 02:27.51 | hochron | hehe |
| 02:27.53 | cantido | hochron: hook it ip up == create an A record in zone for it |
| 02:28.17 | hochron | I got a domain from godaddy.com... yes |
| 02:28.20 | cantido | ikawe: mmm I always see stuff about it whizz by when I build toolchains |
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| 02:28.41 | ikawe | hochron: If you want machines other than the one with the hosts file to access it by name, you'll need to update the DNS record, not the hosts file |
| 02:28.44 | cantido | ikawe: maybe it's built in.. if you try to compile a helloworld with -liconv does it work? |
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| 02:29.13 | hochron | I get it on here, and domainname is correct but it doesn't load on other computers |
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| 02:29.24 | cantido | hochron: setting up your domain is a godaddy support question not a #debian one |
| 02:29.37 | hochron | I have a domain entry in resolv.conf |
| 02:29.44 | cantido | notes godaddy's site is awful and needs to be shot in the head |
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| 02:30.16 | hochron | I have the neccessary technical info from godaddy.cm |
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| 02:30.30 | cantido | hochron: do you understand how DNS works? |
| 02:30.38 | ikawe | hochron: do you know how a domain name gets translated to an IP? |
| 02:30.39 | hochron | kind of |
| 02:30.46 | ikawe | ^^ |
| 02:30.48 | cantido | hochron: what are you trying to implement |
| 02:30.54 | hochron | resolvers on the net |
| 02:31.01 | cantido | hochron: do you want your domain to point to your machines ip? |
| 02:31.11 | hochron | yes |
| 02:31.22 | cantido | hochron: does your machine have a static ip? or does it change often? |
| 02:31.31 | hochron | do I need to port forward it |
| 02:31.35 | hochron | static |
| 02:31.42 | hochron | er wait |
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| 02:31.52 | hochron | dynamic from my isp |
| 02:31.53 | cantido | hochron: you need to set the A record at godaddy or your nameserver to your IP address |
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| 02:32.00 | hochron | static on my end |
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| 02:32.11 | cantido | ok, thats not going to work how you want it to then |
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| 02:32.32 | cantido | you would need to update the A record each time your public IP changes |
| 02:32.57 | hochron | ok |
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| 02:33.21 | hochron | should I be calling godaddy then? |
| 02:33.36 | cantido | I guess from you saying "port forwarding" that you're also behind NAT.. you would need to have the domain resolve to the external address and forward anything you want to be accessed from the outside |
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| 02:33.54 | ikawe | hochron: https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dynamic+ip+godaddy+dns&aq=o&aqi=&aql=&oq= |
| 02:33.56 | cantido | hochron: if you call godaddy they will probably tell you "do you understand what a domain is?" |
| 02:34.06 | karlpinc | hochron: You need to do what's called dynamic dns. Use wikipedia. There are a number of free services that provide dynamic dns. |
| 02:34.12 | ikawe | hochron: there's a good post from lullabot |
| 02:35.21 | paq7512 | what repos should I add ? |
| 02:35.25 | karlpinc | hochron: It would not hurt at all to read the RFC that provides a high level overview of what dns is. |
| 02:35.30 | hochron | karlpinc, you mean godaddy might not provide dynamic dns.... I got the site from ##networking |
| 02:36.07 | karlpinc | hochron: It may or may not. It's not a "normal" thing to do. |
| 02:36.10 | hochron | thanks for the help guys |
| 02:36.38 | cantido | dyndns.com I think will host your domain IIRC.. not sure if godaddy offer that service directly |
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| 02:37.34 | karlpinc | cantido: Sorry, got called away. I've no clue whether thin clients report composting, but I don't see why they should be any different from a regular X server. |
| 02:37.35 | crond | don't suppose anyone knows how to get xrandr to extend my desktop instead of just cloning it? |
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| 02:38.13 | cantido | karlpinc: compositing support is depends on the driver IIRC.. |
| 02:38.35 | cantido | crond: xrandr --left-of or something like that |
| 02:38.44 | karlpinc | does not like godaddy -- has gotten bad vibes in the past, I think regarding being unable to transfer domains away from them.... or something. |
| 02:39.13 | cantido | karlpinc: and their interface being shit and it trying to sell you stuff everytime you click anything |
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| 02:39.18 | cantido | they are cheap though :/ |
| 02:39.25 | shahriman | i cannot increase the resolution in my monitor ... it's stuck at 800X600 |
| 02:39.28 | ikawe | sometimes I hate debian... |
| 02:39.31 | karlpinc | cantido: Somehow or another I thought that the xcompmgr was supposed to provide the service regardless of driver. |
| 02:39.32 | shahriman | how can i increase it? |
| 02:39.39 | ikawe | libiconv is called libjconv in Debian. |
| 02:39.48 | shahriman | i am using debian6 on a dell xps |
| 02:39.58 | ikawe | as in "J"ust because we can. |
| 02:40.16 | karlpinc | cantido: I like opensrs.net, but they don't sell directly you must go through a reseller (or become one.) |
| 02:40.35 | cantido | karlpinc: I'm not sure.. I thought it was there when your window manager didn't have native support for controlling it |
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| 02:40.39 | unkmar | http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser - I am not running gnome or KDE and for some reason do not have bluetooth-agent. And I have run /etc/init.d/bluetooth start |
| 02:41.03 | cantido | ikawe: are you sure?.. sure it isn't something java related? |
| 02:41.19 | unkmar | So, how am I going to pair my bluetooth hid device? |
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| 02:41.43 | cantido | ikawe: looks like that is for Japanese ;) |
| 02:43.01 | cantido | karlpinc: mmm my .com was costing me about 15GBP a year or something.. its like 6GBP from godaddy. I try not to use there site though |
| 02:43.05 | karlpinc | ikawe: It also looks orphaned, which does not bode well. Are you sure there's not an equalivent? |
| 02:43.06 | ikawe | ha! I guess it's hearsay that I pulled from somewhere. I was afraid it was another "iceweasel" |
| 02:43.07 | cantido | karlpinc: buy, point dns, run |
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| 02:43.36 | cantido | This library provide Japanese Code Conversion capability |
| 02:43.43 | ikawe | its strange because iconv is such a popular library... |
| 02:43.47 | cantido | it's not the standard iconv |
| 02:44.01 | cantido | the typo is theirs not mine |
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| 02:44.52 | cantido | ikawe: iceweasel is called iceweasel because of mozilla not some crazy "lets rename shit" policy in debian ;) |
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| 02:45.28 | karlpinc | ikawe: There's a lot of good stuff without an upstream maintainer. So long as people use it Debian seems to continue to support it. Although orphaned means that there's no debian developer maintaining the package, I think. |
| 02:46.04 | unkmar | seems more like a crazy "lets rename shit" policy to me. |
| 02:46.07 | karlpinc | ikawe: You could install debtags and aptitude search ~Gculture::japanese~Guse::converting and see if it comes up with anything useful. |
| 02:46.12 | cantido | has a feeling iconv is built into glibc.. |
| 02:46.15 | ikawe | cantido: I know that "ice weasel" is well founded in principle. But the reality is firefox on Debian is a bit crufty. |
| 02:46.16 | karlpinc | !tell unkmar about why iceweasel |
| 02:46.30 | unkmar | !bluetooth |
| 02:46.30 | dpkg | Bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol (http://bluetooth.com/), about as secure as shouting. aptitude install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser . For support of Atheros AR3001 devices, ask me about <ath3k>. |
| 02:46.44 | karlpinc | ikawe: That's what backports is for. |
| 02:46.52 | cantido | ikawe: Debian backport security patches instead of totally changing versions in the stable release.. its sensible for people running stable |
| 02:47.02 | ikawe | karlpinc: thanks for your help, I was mislead. I don't want jconv, I'm loooking for the iconv lib |
| 02:47.29 | karlpinc | !overview |
| 02:47.29 | dpkg | Debian stable does not always include all the software people need or want so there is much official, semi-official, and non-official software available for stable. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware . Ask me about <security>, <installer firmware>, <backports>, <squeeze-updates>, <multimedia>, <non-free>, <contrib>, <emdebian>, <debian live>. See also <grounding>, <social contract>. |
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| 02:47.42 | cantido | ikawe: I think iconv is built into glibc systems or something and you only install it on OSes that don't have it in libc or something like that |
| 02:48.11 | karlpinc | !tell unkmar about msg the bot |
| 02:48.34 | cantido | ikawe: http://gnuftp.raeburn.org/old-gnu/Manuals/glibc-2.2.3/html_node/libc_101.html |
| 02:48.40 | karlpinc | cantido: Well, I guess I'm about to find out what xcompmgr does. |
| 02:48.56 | ikawe | cantido: that was my thought too, yet... gcc hello_world.c -liconv fails, and I have no iconv.so on my filesystem, except within some ruby packages. |
| 02:49.24 | cantido | ikawe: if its in -lc though.. you wouldn't need to link it |
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| 02:50.15 | ikawe | ah... that makes sense. |
| 02:50.37 | cantido | You can download libiconv from GNU, but I think its built in or something in glibc hence you dont have it as an external library |
| 02:50.45 | karlpinc | ikawe: dpkg -S /usr/include/iconv.h says: libc6-dev: /usr/include/iconv.h |
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| 02:51.30 | karlpinc | ikawe: (iconv.h found via: man 3 iconv) |
| 02:51.50 | cantido | ikawe: my guess is that your autoconf script should be checking if it needs to ask for iconv to be linked |
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| 02:52.08 | MrGeneral | folks |
| 02:52.10 | ikawe | karlpinc: I'm looking for the library, not the header. |
| 02:52.26 | MrGeneral | How do I get debian lenny to update to the latest nginx? It's nginx version is old as hell |
| 02:52.30 | ikawe | karlpinc: but I guess it follows that if the header is there, that the library is? |
| 02:52.31 | cantido | ikawe: the headers being in libc though point to those functions being there ;) |
| 02:52.48 | cantido | MrGeneral: upgrade to squeeze |
| 02:53.00 | MrGeneral | cantido, can't |
| 02:53.07 | MrGeneral | this is an instance which can't be upgraded |
| 02:53.08 | cantido | MrGeneral: get a backport then |
| 02:53.10 | ikawe | OK! I think that makes sense. I'll try to just compile without linking. Thanks for the help cantido and karlpinc. |
| 02:53.12 | MrGeneral | hmm |
| 02:53.47 | cantido | ikawe: the only times I can remember people building iconv was when building stuff like apache on solaris or something like that |
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| 02:58.42 | MrGeneral | cantido, will I get any issues if I setup the backports for squeeze |
| 02:58.49 | MrGeneral | only to get the latest nginx? |
| 02:59.00 | cantido | MrGeneral: yes, you cant use squeeze backports with lenny |
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| 03:00.32 | MrGeneral | I see cantido |
| 03:00.33 | MrGeneral | thanks |
| 03:00.39 | ikawe | cantido: yup that fixed it. I guess the makefile was intended for a different c environement thanks for your support! |
| 03:00.56 | joe6 | any thoughts on this error, please? http://sprunge.us/XMgZ |
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| 03:01.05 | joe6 | it happens when I installed emacs23 |
| 03:01.30 | joe6 | basically, this summarises the error: An invalid debconf value [american (American English)] has been found |
| 03:01.34 | crapeau | MrGeneral: Why don't wou compile nginx |
| 03:01.45 | karlpinc | !tell MrGeneral about overview |
| 03:01.55 | MrGeneral | I would probably lose the phpmodules |
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| 03:02.31 | MrGeneral | that's why crapeau |
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| 03:03.08 | karlpinc | MrGeneral: Recomple the squeeze backported source package. |
| 03:03.20 | MrGeneral | if I knew how karlpinc :p |
| 03:03.47 | karlpinc | MrGeneral: Something along the lines of recompiling a sid source package. |
| 03:03.51 | karlpinc | !tell MrGeneral about ssb |
| 03:03.57 | MrGeneral | thanks, I'll check it |
| 03:04.23 | karlpinc | MrGeneral: Don't forget to put your sources list back after getting the source package. |
| 03:04.56 | karlpinc | cantido: I guess I'm going to restart the wm on the client and X on the server and see if magic happens now that xcompmgr is installed on both. :-P |
| 03:05.48 | MrGeneral | I'll try karlpinc |
| 03:05.52 | joe6 | how do I install american english wordlist? |
| 03:05.58 | joe6 | which package has it? |
| 03:06.47 | karlpinc | joe6: Either the ispell or aspell related package. Do something like "aptitude search aspell" and see which package name looks right. |
| 03:06.48 | crapeau | MrGeneral: I don't know nginx or the phpmodules, but i'm curious, why would you loose them? |
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| 03:06.58 | karlpinc | !tell joe6 about search |
| 03:07.27 | karlpinc | joe6: Or: aptitude search american |
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| 03:08.18 | karlpinc | joe6: (Because I suppose it's possible that there's some other spelling packages out there that _something_ uses.) |
| 03:09.00 | MrGeneral | crapeau, wouldn't I? by replacing this? |
| 03:09.04 | karlpinc | joe6: Use debtags to search with the right tags if you want to be certain. (like: aptitude search ~Gspell) |
| 03:09.11 | MrGeneral | by installing the source crapeau ? |
| 03:09.28 | joe6 | i do have iamerican installed? I am not sure if it needs some other package. |
| 03:09.46 | karlpinc | joe6: What are you trying to do? |
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| 03:10.31 | melik | kim jong il |
| 03:10.33 | melik | donated 500k to japan |
| 03:10.38 | melik | and you guys all say hes a bad guy! |
| 03:10.40 | melik | psssh |
| 03:11.11 | joe6 | just get emacs working. |
| 03:11.20 | joe6 | I installed emacs23 package. |
| 03:11.22 | melik | oops wrong channel |
| 03:11.29 | joe6 | and it shows crap, some symbols.. |
| 03:11.37 | MrGeneral | crapeau, http://reliablybroken.com/b/2011/03/building-nginx-on-debian-lenny/ |
| 03:11.40 | MrGeneral | I think I found a good way :P |
| 03:11.51 | joe6 | and i figure it must be the files missing in /usr/share/dict |
| 03:11.56 | joe6 | as there is only finnish there. |
| 03:12.10 | crapeau | MrGeneral: great ... ;-) |
| 03:12.14 | joe6 | but, again I am guessing that it could be the reason. |
| 03:12.15 | karlpinc | joe6: (looks like: aptitude search ~Gchecking looks for spell stuff.) |
| 03:12.21 | MrGeneral | thanks for the help crapeau ! :=) |
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| 03:13.05 | joe6 | it probably needs wamerican package. |
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| 03:13.22 | crapeau | MrGeneral: only did push you to explore.... |
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| 03:13.56 | joe6 | karlpinc, zsh does not allow ~ character with the command. |
| 03:14.15 | karlpinc | joe6: So quote it. |
| 03:14.43 | MrGeneral | ip-10-195-219-1:~# nginx -v |
| 03:14.43 | MrGeneral | nginx: nginx version: nginx/0.9.6 |
| 03:14.47 | MrGeneral | crapeau, and it worked :P |
| 03:15.07 | crapeau | MrGeneral: enhoy! |
| 03:15.16 | karlpinc | joe6: wamerican sounds right. It wasn't installed? |
| 03:15.23 | crapeau | MrGeneral: enjoy, i mean! |
| 03:15.57 | joe6 | apt-cache search \~Gchecking , gives me nothing. |
| 03:16.05 | karlpinc | joe6: You may also need an aspell or ispell installed. |
| 03:16.30 | karlpinc | joe6: You probably don't have debtags installed or didn't update the db after installation. (After the initial update apt seems to keep it updated.) |
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| 03:16.51 | joe6 | ii iamerican 3.1.20.0-9 American English dictionary for ispell |
| 03:16.54 | joe6 | ii wamerican 6-3 American English dictionary words for /usr/share/dict |
| 03:17.13 | MrGeneral | crapeau, got it :P |
| 03:17.17 | MrGeneral | Now I must fix the new issues <.< |
| 03:17.20 | joe6 | karlpinc, does that make sense? |
| 03:17.22 | karlpinc | joe6: So it's installed, but is the spell-checker? |
| 03:18.15 | joe6 | aspell is installed. |
| 03:18.28 | joe6 | is there a different spell-checker that emacs uses? |
| 03:19.06 | joe6 | and even libaspell15 is installed. |
| 03:19.45 | SgrA | i want to try out the nouveau gallium 3d drivers and i currently have the proprietary ones installed. how will i go about doing that? |
| 03:20.05 | karlpinc | joe6: Aspell should work. Perhaps you need to enable the non-free repos and install the emacs23-doc (?) package and read the info pages. That's sure to give the right details. Or ask in #emacs. |
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| 03:20.27 | crapeau | MrGeneral: as a joke: never forget the power of the "sources", young jedi |
| 03:20.38 | MrGeneral | I wont |
| 03:20.49 | MrGeneral | I'm now trying to fix the issues that came right after the update:P |
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| 03:21.42 | karlpinc | joe6: It may be a locale thing with emacs, or there's some emacs command/variable that needs to be set to change from checking using the default locale. Dunno. |
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| 03:48.31 | hesco | geegeegee: try chmod 700 or perhaps 750. That ought to be effective. |
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| 03:51.20 | MrGeneral | crapeau, its running perfectly well, god , I love debian :P |
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| 03:53.44 | crapeau | MrGeneral: Great! |
| 03:54.00 | MrGeneral | :=) |
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| 03:57.05 | s3phir0th115 | Anyone else having issues with streaming video and the audio stream not being included with the debian vlc? |
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| 04:21.35 | WormFood | [ 0.000000] Detected 2991.908 MHz processor. <-- from dmesg, but /proc/cpuinfo shows --> cpu MHz: 1596.000 or cpu MHz: 2394.000, depending on the throttling. (it is really running at 2/3Ghz)...Why does /proc/cpuinfo not show the correct speed? I read somewhere that it is because it just reads it from the acpi table, but don't know if that is true or not |
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| 04:23.45 | xk | WormFood: first one is detected on boot, when it is running full speed |
| 04:24.06 | xk | cpuinfo is when the system is idle (HALT instructions sent to the CPU, etc) so it runs at lowest freq. |
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| 04:25.07 | crapeau | WormFoood: Just benmark it to verify.... |
| 04:25.15 | crapeau | benchmark |
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| 04:29.44 | WormFood | xk, the CPU is really running at 2 Ghz when it is throttled, and 3Ghz when it is not throttled....but /proc/cpuinfo shows 1.6 or 2.4Ghz |
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| 04:30.10 | WormFood | crapeau, I have benchmarked it...I have verified it is really running at 3Ghz |
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| 04:31.06 | WormFood | xk, how do you explain that difference? I'm not talking about the cpu being throttled |
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| 04:32.05 | crapeau | WormFood: The benchmark say so or the perf differences |
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| 04:32.28 | WormFood | both |
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| 04:32.45 | crapeau | WormFood: lucky you ... |
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| 04:33.10 | WormFood | benchmark is just relative....but anyways...why does /proc/cpuinfo show a totally different speed? |
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| 04:33.53 | WormFood | I'm pretty sure, if I boot with an older kernel, it will report the correct speed in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 04:34.32 | crapeau | WormFood: just try it... :-) |
| 04:35.12 | WormFood | how can I brag about how fast my computer is, if I can't show that my /proc/cpuinfo is correct? ;) http://fuckyourcomputer.net/ |
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| 04:36.14 | crapeau | WormFood: next srep is having faster software.... ;-)) |
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| 04:37.40 | WormFood | I was reading about that one patch, back in oct/nov of last year, that was supposed to have a big performance boost for normal desktop use "automated per tty task groups" kernel patch |
| 04:38.32 | WormFood | I can't seem to find a newer version of the patch, and I can't tell if they've included it with the kernel or not. (someone was suggesting a different name for the patch/feature) |
| 04:40.23 | crapeau | WormFood: i was a step further though. using static compiled apps or using assembly language programmed oses. |
| 04:40.54 | WormFood | does anyone really program apps in assembly language for Linux? |
| 04:41.41 | WormFood | I mean, I program in assembly language...whole programs too...but not for a PC (or even for Linux or windows or osx) |
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| 04:42.18 | crapeau | WormFood: Not for linux, but KolirisOS and MenuetOS are.... |
| 04:42.30 | WormFood | also, using assembly language is not always faster. A well written C program, can be faster than a poorly written asm program |
| 04:42.41 | WormFood | yeah, I'm aware of MenuetOS |
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| 04:43.42 | WormFood | I have written assembly language for the 68000, 6805/ST7/ST19 and AVR family of microcontrollers....not quite the same (in fact, many programs didn't even have an OS) |
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| 04:44.46 | crapeau | WormFood: That is serious stuff, There is my "real" interest. Efffficiency... :-O |
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| 04:45.10 | WormFood | then you would love some of the things I've done before ;) |
| 04:46.03 | WormFood | I took Atmel's software uart code for the AVR, and made it smaller and faster (I had to recalculate the timing loops)...and I don't remember, but I may have made it use one less register too |
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| 04:47.59 | WormFood | crapeau, if you're interested in embedded stuff (microcontrollers), and asm, stop by the #avr channel |
| 04:48.33 | crapeau | WormFood: That is what really intererst me, you know.... Pc are, to my eyes waste of energy. Every year they consume much more. From the software standpoint and the hardware too. |
| 04:48.58 | WormFood | it is specific to the Atmel AVR family of microcontrollers, but many of the concepts are the same across different families of microcontrollers |
| 04:49.06 | WormFood | check out contikiOS |
| 04:49.16 | crapeau | WormFood: I will.... |
| 04:49.32 | WormFood | http://www.sics.se/contiki/ |
| 04:51.02 | WormFood | anyways, it is pretty slick. It allows you to have a GUI via VNC over the network, on an embedded device...very impressive, if you want to make a gui frontend to an embedded application |
| 04:51.30 | WormFood | yeah, I know I'm off topic.....but nobody else is on topic ;) |
| 04:52.07 | crapeau | WormFood: It is intersting, indeed. |
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| 04:53.14 | WormFood | if you're really interested in playing around with this stuff, check out the ethernut boards (the newest one is not built around the AVR, and can run Linux)... I have the ver 1 and 2 boards, and they are very nice. |
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| 04:54.35 | WormFood | I made one device, with a 20x4 LCD display, 4x4 keypad, 3 iButton sockets....I made it do what it was supposed to do,,,with network support and everything, and still had over 1/2 my memory left. |
| 04:55.33 | WormFood | so I started adding features...I wrote a telnet server for it, and implemented basic command support...allow you to reboot it, or reload the firmware (from over the network, of course), or see some stats...has an ntp client :D |
| 04:56.20 | WormFood | anyways...I'm gonna make like a baby and head out...gotta get some work done, to pay my bills for next month ;) |
| 04:56.42 | crapeau | WormFood: As i said i'm curious. But, up to now, my cup of tea, was to make efficient server and desktop out of old hardware.... You are way deeper in it. |
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| 04:57.21 | WormFood | I'm into different things. I feel that older hardware, while a good use of old equipment, is not very energy efficient. |
| 04:58.11 | WormFood | I always dreamed about a network connected house, where I could have many different network enabled devices, using low power and doing specific jobs |
| 04:58.12 | crapeau | You are right, but take into account the energy used to produce stuff nowaday... |
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| 04:59.48 | fac3less | Quick question folks! If I were to install crunchbang, as it's really debian, could I then quickly install gnome & be fairly up to date as far as debian is concerned? |
| 05:00.12 | fac3less | I'm on a horribly slow connection, picked up some magazines with dvd's in them and it's the only reasonable looking alternative to the 16 versions of ubuntu on each dvd. :/ |
| 05:00.21 | WormFood | I find it a lot of fun...you can get up and running for very little money...you can build a programmer out of some resistors and a parallel port connector....pick up an avr like an atmega8151 for cheap, and try it out.... |
| 05:00.35 | fac3less | have been spending the past 12 hours trying to get my debian installation functional after a kernel update gone wrong. //Or, I suppose I could ask you guys about that. :) |
| 05:00.39 | WormFood | anyways, we're off topic, and someone else is on topic, and I need to go, so I'll see ya l8r crapeau |
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| 05:00.49 | fac3less | adieu wormfood :) |
| 05:00.58 | crapeau | See ya... ;-) |
| 05:01.28 | fac3less | (And random note -- knoppix executing everything as root is quasi-retarded, even for a rescue distro) |
| 05:01.51 | cantido | WormFood: There are small x86 machines that can run debian too |
| 05:01.54 | WormFood | fac3less, we don't support other distros here |
| 05:01.57 | cantido | WormFood: Bifferboard is one |
| 05:02.01 | fac3less | WormFood: correct. ;) |
| 05:02.14 | fac3less | I'm on debian, and trying to remain on debian. :p |
| 05:02.22 | WormFood | fac3less, if the powers that be are around, they'll smite you for asking ;) |
| 05:02.37 | fac3less | like I said my debian instance is busted up (if anyone wants to help with lvm2 / luks that'd also suffice) |
| 05:02.58 | fac3less | e.g. chrooting to my debian instance after mounting the luks partitions gets me an ugly little libncurses error. |
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| 05:03.11 | WormFood | ask around....not what I know, but others know it well...if you don't get an answer now, try again in 1/2 hour or an hour depending on how busy the channel is |
| 05:03.11 | blue_pearl | Hello Sir, i am planning to shift to Debian. I am currently a different debian based disort user. i am a web developer by profession, so i wanted to know does Iceweasel supports html5 ? Apologies if its the wrong channel to ask. |
| 05:03.30 | fac3less | sure does blue_pearl |
| 05:03.48 | d9500 | WormFood: yeah i found that out the hard way once. now i just hang out listening for useful stuff on how to manage debian-based distros. think my next install might be straight debian though. |
| 05:03.54 | blue_pearl | fac3less, thank u sir. |
| 05:04.16 | fac3less | trust me, I'd download debian if I had the bandwidth. :p |
| 05:04.26 | WormFood | blue_pearl, if you're really a web developer, then I suggest you use something like vmware (or one of the many free alternatives) to install different OSes and browsers to see how your work looks in them |
| 05:04.42 | d9500 | blue_pearl: IIRC, the current version in the repos does not. 3.5.17, isn't it? you need 4.0 for html5 video, if that's what you refer to |
| 05:04.48 | crapeau | fac3less: Are you that limited....?? |
| 05:04.54 | fac3less | yes'sir crapeau |
| 05:05.02 | fac3less | went over my 5gig tethering limit, something lik 1-2kbps |
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| 05:05.11 | d9500 | though there may be a package in experimental. i'd saty away from that if i were you. |
| 05:05.12 | fac3less | It quoted 23 days to download the 600mb install |
| 05:05.25 | fac3less | With that said, I do have a knoppix instance that's English, as well as sysrescuecd |
| 05:05.43 | fac3less | so if someone wants $50 via paypal to help me with lvm / luks / chrooting to my dead install, that'd help :) |
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| 05:06.28 | crapeau | fac3less: are you living in the technology 3rd world???? it is a joke though |
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| 05:07.03 | fac3less | No sir, san diego. |
| 05:07.12 | fac3less | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=505609 |
| 05:07.18 | fac3less | I'm travelling and far away from home |
| 05:07.21 | blue_pearl | WormFood, yes i am running vmware to test diff os, but iwant personally to switch to debian from the current disort i am using. |
| 05:07.25 | fac3less | that's the bug that nailed me, at leats that's the error it displays. |
| 05:07.35 | fac3less | blue_pearl: swap. debian is the best distro ever. |
| 05:07.42 | blue_pearl | d9500, ok will take care of the vrsion thanx |
| 05:07.43 | WormFood | fac3less, far and away? how far? I bet it is not farther than me :P |
| 05:07.59 | fac3less | I'm travelling from Toronto. |
| 05:08.20 | WormFood | you're still on the same continent....I'm from Florida, and I'm in China |
| 05:08.25 | fac3less | Yikes :p |
| 05:08.25 | fac3less | Cool. |
| 05:08.39 | blue_pearl | fac3less, yes i heard so, i used a diff version for some time as i did not have enough lonux knowledge at that time. |
| 05:08.55 | fac3less | debian is fairly straight forward as long as you stay the *hell* away from experimental. |
| 05:08.57 | fac3less | that's what always gets me into trouble |
| 05:08.57 | WormFood | yes fac3less, VERY cool...I've been here for a little over 3 years now. |
| 05:09.09 | fac3less | I do 'apt-get dist-upgrade' for fun, and always, always, always regret it |
| 05:09.12 | fac3less | what part of FL? |
| 05:09.16 | fac3less | Spent ~12 years in Naples myself. |
| 05:09.17 | crapeau | blue_pearl: disort as disorder or as distro |
| 05:09.24 | WormFood | experimental is great...I mean, if you don't mind fixing your setup EVERY TIME YOU UPDATE ;) |
| 05:09.34 | fac3less | alright, going to try to troubleshoot this again |
| 05:09.41 | WormFood | I'm from the north central florida area, near Ocala |
| 05:09.43 | fac3less | could someone confirm that I can chroot into debian 64bit from sysrescuecd |
| 05:09.52 | fac3less | or is it easier from knoppix, or will it make a difference? |
| 05:09.54 | blue_pearl | crapeau, distro. sorry typo error |
| 05:09.58 | fac3less | was getting segfaults earlier myself. |
| 05:10.00 | WormFood | fac3less, if you boot from a 64-bit rescue cd |
| 05:10.03 | fac3less | + some weird libncurses error. |
| 05:10.05 | fac3less | weird. |
| 05:10.09 | fac3less | alright, let me give this a go.. |
| 05:10.16 | crapeau | blue_pearl: just joking anyway |
| 05:10.28 | fac3less | got any good tutorials on how to mount this crap? |
| 05:10.34 | WormFood | you *should* be able to chroot a 32-bit install, on a 64-bit kernel |
| 05:10.38 | fac3less | let me compile what I'm trying at the moment into a pastie |
| 05:10.56 | fac3less | well I've got a 64bit kernel, 64bit instance of sysrescuecd |
| 05:11.05 | fac3less | and a german version of knoppix :/ //sobs quietly, used my bandwidth grabbing that earlier. |
| 05:11.12 | fac3less | picked up some new german in the process, sadly. |
| 05:11.40 | crapeau | fac3less: kernel accomodate 32 and 64 bits userspaces |
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| 05:12.19 | WormFood | fac3less, don't feel bad, I made that mistake...once |
| 05:12.52 | WormFood | I want a 64-bit knoppix, that will allow me to load the whole DVD into a ramdisk :D |
| 05:12.53 | crapeau | fac3less: do you have a wireless portable machine???? |
| 05:13.15 | WormFood | to load knoppix into ramdisk is really slick. |
| 05:13.37 | fac3less | crapeau: I've got two really slow aircards + tethering |
| 05:13.59 | fac3less | trying to find a good tutorial on how to fix luks / lvm + chrooting into an installation |
| 05:14.15 | crapeau | WormFood: to run an os from a ramdisk is damn efficient wo harddrive |
| 05:14.42 | fac3less | what's the very minimum I need to mount in order to chroot? |
| 05:14.52 | WormFood | crapeau, only if you have enough RAM ;) |
| 05:15.16 | WormFood | fac3less, did you boot from the debian rescue cd? |
| 05:15.23 | fac3less | no sir, sysrescuecd |
| 05:15.26 | fac3less | I don't have a debian rescue cd. |
| 05:15.45 | fac3less | otherwise this wouldn't be a problem, i'd have a local shell I think. :p |
| 05:15.49 | crapeau | WormFood: chatting right now from a ppc 400mhz 1 gig, no harddrive |
| 05:16.20 | WormFood | I want to say the installer will also function as a recovery CD, and also handle LVM and the related |
| 05:16.47 | WormFood | crapeau, via ssh/telnet? |
| 05:17.14 | fac3less | my earlier issue was that when I attempted to define the $SHELL as /bin/bash |
| 05:17.15 | fac3less | it would error out, not found, etc. |
| 05:17.22 | crapeau | WormFood: yes sir... |
| 05:17.26 | WormFood | IE, you're not running your IRC client from your 400Mhz PPC? |
| 05:17.45 | crapeau | Nope but i have one installed |
| 05:17.47 | fac3less | quassel ftw? |
| 05:17.55 | fac3less | if only I had a shell :) |
| 05:18.00 | WormFood | I'm confused crapeau, are you talking to me or "sir'? I didn't see anyone else here called 'sir', and I know you can't be calling me that :P |
| 05:18.48 | crapeau | WormFood: Sorry, but yes, I have a gate on my network. |
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| 05:20.19 | crapeau | WormFood: One Dsl, many machines and no trust for commercial routers. ;-) |
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| 05:21.45 | WormFood | my internet gateway is a 2.6Ghz P4....it is the slowest thing I have at my house....I had a 10 gig hard drive in it, but it died, so I replaced it with a used 40 gig drive for about $8 |
| 05:23.08 | dArK_IcE | lawl |
| 05:23.13 | dArK_IcE | my gateway is my wrt54g |
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| 05:23.16 | dArK_IcE | with oepnwrt |
| 05:23.19 | dArK_IcE | :] |
| 05:23.20 | beck64 | hello |
| 05:23.48 | WormFood | I have dd-wrt, but it seems to disconnect me every night at midnight...VERY frustrating. |
| 05:23.52 | crapeau | WormFood: Just for fun. My fastest machine is a ibook g4 1200mhz, with the clock halved. |
| 05:24.10 | beck64 | Does anybody knows why i can hear youtube, tweetdeck sounds but if i try to hear an mp3 with VLC or rhythmbox it plays but i cant hear anything |
| 05:24.15 | icedtea | WormFood: seems like a lot of wattage just for an internet gateway. |
| 05:24.33 | WormFood | I was using openwrt years ago, but it had a problem with port forwarding...if you tell it to open port 3000, it would open 3001...and for some reason, it would "walk" through the ports...3002, 3003... |
| 05:24.34 | beck64 | I installed alot of gstreamer plugins |
| 05:24.40 | beck64 | but anything happened |
| 05:24.54 | WormFood | icedtea, it is more than just an internet gateway, it is also a vpn client and a transparent web proxy |
| 05:25.15 | WormFood | and the wrt54gl I have, seems to be pushing it a little for the VPN support. |
| 05:25.34 | dArK_IcE | WormFood but you can configure your openwrt |
| 05:25.37 | dArK_IcE | manually |
| 05:25.43 | dArK_IcE | without that ports problem |
| 05:25.47 | WormFood | I mean, it works great at lower speeds, but at high speeds it limits it |
| 05:25.48 | dArK_IcE | its weird btw :D |
| 05:25.50 | icedtea | WormFood: I see. I just pay the electric bill here and always trying to cut out the fat ;) |
| 05:25.57 | fac3less | re: dd-wrt -- wouldn't use it with those remote exploits |
| 05:25.59 | fac3less | kind of scary |
| 05:26.05 | WormFood | the electric bill here isn't that high to begin with |
| 05:26.12 | fac3less | -- /bin/zsh: error while loading shared libraries: libncursesw.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 05:26.16 | WormFood | fac3less, this has been updated |
| 05:26.18 | fac3less | any thoughts? |
| 05:26.28 | WormFood | don't use zsh |
| 05:26.29 | fac3less | attempting to chroot into my installation |
| 05:26.32 | dArK_IcE | how much you pay for electricity in a mounth? |
| 05:26.37 | WormFood | use /bin/sh or /bin/bash |
| 05:26.46 | dArK_IcE | icedtea |
| 05:26.47 | dArK_IcE | ^^ |
| 05:26.55 | dArK_IcE | month/* |
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| 05:27.02 | WormFood | it depends on if I use the A/C or heater....it was well under $100 last month |
| 05:27.10 | dArK_IcE | hum |
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| 05:27.12 | fac3less | http://paste2.org/p/1322539 |
| 05:27.13 | WormFood | if I use it a lot, it will go to about $100 |
| 05:27.24 | fac3less | trying to use bash outputs errors |
| 05:27.29 | dArK_IcE | ok |
| 05:27.31 | dArK_IcE | not bad |
| 05:27.36 | WormFood | if I don't get stupid, it is about 1/2 that |
| 05:27.39 | dArK_IcE | i thought the energy here was expensive |
| 05:27.46 | WormFood | where is "here"? |
| 05:27.56 | dArK_IcE | portugal -> europe |
| 05:28.01 | WormFood | dArK_IcE, I'm in China |
| 05:28.06 | icedtea | dArK_IcE: too much. I live in a big house. Eventually the house is going to be sold. It fluctuates between $75-$130. |
| 05:28.12 | WormFood | Shenzhen city (next door to hong kong) |
| 05:28.16 | dArK_IcE | i pay 60⬠in a month (like 40$ or something) |
| 05:28.36 | fac3less | following the tutorial here, or parts of it, to try to rescue my system: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
| 05:28.43 | icedtea | that gas here is bad too. One month was $230 :( |
| 05:28.47 | crapeau | dArK_IcE: Wich is expensive.... |
| 05:28.51 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:28.55 | dArK_IcE | damn :D |
| 05:29.19 | dArK_IcE | WormFood oh, Yes my mistake sry |
| 05:29.46 | WormFood | I ride an electric bike here :D |
| 05:29.53 | dArK_IcE | xD |
| 05:29.55 | dArK_IcE | awesome |
| 05:30.48 | WormFood | it is a lot of fun, and faster than the bus in most cases (at least for short distances)...today I took my girlfriend and roommate to the bus stops on it (2 trips, not both at the same time ;) |
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| 05:31.23 | dArK_IcE | ^^ |
| 05:31.54 | crapeau | WormFood: would have been an efficient treesome.... lol. |
| 05:32.03 | dArK_IcE | ahhaha |
| 05:32.49 | WormFood | the only thing I don't like about it...it is a 60 volt battery...so it is 12V X 5 batteries....and I live on the 6th floor....with no elevator |
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| 05:33.36 | WormFood | so I get a real workout when I tote that fucker up the stairs |
| 05:33.59 | icedtea | what city do you live in WormFood? |
| 05:34.14 | crapeau | WormFood: The mind is nothing wo the body... ;-) |
| 05:34.14 | fac3less | any thoughts on this issue: http://paste2.org/p/1322541 -- re: lvm / luks / chroot |
| 05:34.20 | WormFood | æ·±å³ shenzhen |
| 05:34.39 | dArK_IcE | O_O |
| 05:34.45 | dArK_IcE | do you know chinese? |
| 05:35.04 | WormFood | http://wormfood.net/pictures/sunrise.jpg <-- here is the sunrise, as viewed from my house |
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| 05:35.19 | WormFood | dArK_IcE, æç¥éä¸ç¹ç¹ä¸æãä½ å¢ï¼ |
| 05:35.38 | dArK_IcE | lawl |
| 05:35.39 | dArK_IcE | xD |
| 05:35.40 | icedtea | WormFood: cool. A few of my coworkers are chinese. One of them is getting me some chinese liquor... star something? Have you tried it? |
| 05:36.08 | WormFood | not sure icedtea...don't recognize anything off the top of my head with "Star" in it |
| 05:36.10 | crapeau | WormFood: So you're a kind of genius.... |
| 05:36.44 | Leoneof | WormFood: what's fonts your are using? i see boxs only |
| 05:36.54 | WormFood | I do have a bottle of "horse milk wine" in the other room, that is in a bottle that is the shape of a yurt |
| 05:36.58 | icedtea | I see chinese characters |
| 05:37.02 | Leoneof | oh |
| 05:37.07 | Leoneof | how to install it? |
| 05:37.09 | WormFood | Leoneof, you need to have chinese fonts installed |
| 05:37.25 | WormFood | I'm not sure which ones are displayed, so I can't make any suggestions |
| 05:37.26 | icedtea | or get a better irc client ;) |
| 05:37.35 | Leoneof | it's xchat |
| 05:37.38 | WormFood | but, when serching, "zh-cn" is the a code for china |
| 05:37.42 | WormFood | I also use xchat |
| 05:37.45 | Leoneof | oh ok. |
| 05:37.47 | crapeau | Leoneof: terminal does it for me |
| 05:38.00 | icedtea | Leonof: strange, thats what I'm using by default, and I can see them right |
| 05:38.08 | WormFood | crapeau, no genius, i just study chinese...it is really not as hard as it appears at first, once you learn how it works. |
| 05:38.21 | Leoneof | :/ |
| 05:38.26 | WormFood | boudiccas, don't believe me, or just checking? |
| 05:38.57 | crapeau | WormFood: Was reffering to your computer skills. |
| 05:39.01 | WormFood | Leoneof, now here is something interesting...if you copy/paste those boxes, into goole translate, it should work ,even tho you can't see it |
| 05:39.14 | fac3less | http://paste2.org/p/1322552 updated it with an strace now. Hm. //confused as hell myself. |
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| 05:39.22 | WormFood | crapeau, no, not a genius there either....I consider myself advanced in some areas |
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| 05:39.45 | crapeau | WormFood: and Humble too |
| 05:39.49 | cantido | haha |
| 05:40.13 | WormFood | I know there is a lot of stuff out there that I don't know...I know some |
| 05:40.18 | Leoneof | WormFood: google is smarter than me. |
| 05:40.28 | simonrvn | it's like anything, if you put yourself into it, you can do anything |
| 05:40.45 | WormFood | I just heard the quote "learn something about everything, and everything about something", and that is really what I've tried to do my entire life. |
| 05:41.01 | WormFood | I really surprise myself with how much of how many different subjects I understand. |
| 05:41.11 | cantido | simonrvn: Like flying? |
| 05:41.26 | simonrvn | if you wanna be a pilot, sure |
| 05:41.51 | WormFood | Leoneof, I'm smarter than google :P Google is just a tool, used right, it is a wonderful tool...used wrong, it is an extremely frustrating tool |
| 05:41.52 | cantido | nah, If I think weely weely hard will I be able to fly? |
| 05:42.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps is thee a way to connect to the terminal on cisco ap witha linux box |
| 05:42.19 | WormFood | cantido, the trick to flying, is to try to fall, and miss the ground |
| 05:42.21 | Leoneof | oh right, human smarter than computers ;) |
| 05:42.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | i got a cross over cable will that work |
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| 05:42.48 | cantido | Eryn_1983_FL: the port that looks like RJ45 isnt.. the console port |
| 05:43.00 | simonrvn | computer is just fast. that's not smart, just fast. |
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| 05:43.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | it casy console |
| 05:43.07 | WormFood | Eryn_1983_FL, yes, a crossover cable will work to connect 2 computers without a hub, but you MAY have to manually configure the speed, if auto speed detection does not work |
| 05:43.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | says |
| 05:43.13 | cantido | Eryn_1983_FL: it's not ethernet either |
| 05:43.29 | cantido | WormFood: recent machines dont need crossover at all |
| 05:43.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | ... |
| 05:43.33 | Leoneof | simonrvn: indeed. |
| 05:43.44 | cantido | Eryn_1983_FL: the console port on cisco hardware is serial |
| 05:43.48 | crapeau | The brain is somtimes faster than computer for complex subjects |
| 05:43.58 | WormFood | cantido, that is true also, as current machines have auto-crossover (or what is it called?) |
| 05:43.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok i got a cisco ap router with a console port .. can i use my cross over cable or do i need a serial to rs-232 to dit |
| 05:44.01 | cantido | Eryn_1983_FL: it looks like an ethernet port because of the connector, but it isn't |
| 05:44.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 05:44.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | so a cross over wont work ? |
| 05:44.20 | cantido | You need the adapter.. check your manual |
| 05:44.20 | WormFood | no! |
| 05:44.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | sigh |
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| 05:44.35 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 05:44.36 | WormFood | it is an rj45 to 9-pin serial cable |
| 05:44.44 | lkthomas | what program do you use to monitor server is up and running on debian ? |
| 05:44.47 | simonrvn | crapeau: yup. sometimes can know things that computers will always have problems with. |
| 05:44.47 | icedtea | computers still can't drive a car as well... well... most humans ;) |
| 05:44.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | how much do those cost? |
| 05:45.06 | cantido | IIRC it ain't RJ45.. from my vague memory |
| 05:45.15 | WormFood | Eryn_1983_FL, find the schematics online, and make your own...I mean, if you have the equipment and skills |
| 05:45.22 | crapeau | simonrvn: Do you mean woman... ;-) |
| 05:45.25 | cantido | Eryn_1983_FL: usually you get them with the hardware.. I used to have a cupboard full of them |
| 05:45.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | no equipment |
| 05:45.30 | WormFood | also, double check, as cantido says...it may be a 10pin connector |
| 05:45.32 | Leoneof | icedtea: true. |
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| 05:45.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | k |
| 05:45.53 | WormFood | anyways, it shouldn't be too expensive |
| 05:45.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.55 | cantido | Its the same connector as the console port on APC UPS.. |
| 05:45.59 | fac3less | hums, any thoughts -- need some assistance: http://paste2.org/p/1322552 :) |
| 05:46.03 | WormFood | I bet I could buy them locally for under a dollar |
| 05:46.08 | fac3less | (I feel like a spammer now ;)) |
| 05:46.09 | cantido | I used to take the cisco cable and make APC UPS cables |
| 05:46.33 | fac3less | almost positive the issue is I'm using a livecd with i486 arch |
| 05:46.35 | fac3less | and my distro is amd64 |
| 05:46.36 | fac3less | afaik. |
| 05:46.46 | WormFood | argh, almost 2pm, I gotta get back to work....have fun guys, see ya l8r |
| 05:46.54 | cantido | fac3less: what are you trying to fix? |
| 05:46.54 | fac3less | so much for selecting 'boot to 64 bit' sysrescuecd, you fail! |
| 05:47.00 | simonrvn | see ya WormFood |
| 05:47.01 | fac3less | my broken system |
| 05:47.01 | icedtea | WormFood: cya |
| 05:47.08 | fac3less | trying to chroot to it |
| 05:47.09 | cantido | fac3less: filesystems etc have the same on-disk format between archs |
| 05:47.19 | cantido | fac3less: ok, well that won't work |
| 05:48.15 | fac3less | hm |
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| 05:48.22 | fac3less | alright, off to try to boot to 64bit |
| 05:48.24 | fac3less | brb. |
| 05:50.24 | crapeau | fac3less: What is broken in your system. You said you changed the kernel? ... |
| 05:50.52 | fac3less | yes'sir |
| 05:51.03 | fac3less | updated and lilo is screwed, something about 'kernel size too big' |
| 05:51.22 | simonrvn | wonderful... |
| 05:51.27 | fac3less | but I'll figure that out once I can chroot to it. :) |
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| 05:51.45 | fac3less | hopefully the magic 'lilo -v' I've been hearing about will fix it |
| 05:51.58 | crapeau | fac3less: Do you still have your old kernel? |
| 05:52.03 | fac3less | but yeah, rather lovely error. seems it's been floating around since '08. |
| 05:52.05 | fac3less | no sir. :( |
| 05:52.07 | simonrvn | might be the initrd, or really the kernel |
| 05:52.09 | fac3less | otherwise this would be an |
| 05:52.12 | fac3less | *easy* fix |
| 05:52.21 | fac3less | yeah simonrvn thinking initrd too |
| 05:52.33 | fac3less | as that's what apt-get failed on before I did the needful and rebooted like an idiot. :/ |
| 05:52.48 | fac3less | I'm surprised it removed my old kernel though |
| 05:52.54 | paq7512 | can someone help me with sources.list? |
| 05:53.01 | fac3less | sure paq! |
| 05:53.14 | simonrvn | likely to do with the version |
| 05:53.31 | fac3less | nods @ simon. Will have more on that once this knoppix gets written to usb. |
| 05:53.33 | cantido | fac3less: install grub |
| 05:53.37 | fac3less | :D |
| 05:53.46 | fac3less | Tried with supergrub disk |
| 05:53.54 | simonrvn | if it upgraded an extant kernel, then that's exactly what it did. it didn't remove the other per se. |
| 05:54.00 | fac3less | spent all day with this one, work is going to kill me |
| 05:54.03 | cantido | fac3less: if you can chroot into the system you should be able to install grub correctly |
| 05:54.13 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 05:54.19 | fac3less | gah, hoping knoppix will suffice |
| 05:54.23 | fac3less | if it's got another architecture I'm fucked. |
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| 05:54.34 | paq7512 | <fac3less>i just installed 6 what sources do i have to do to install all non-free apps? |
| 05:54.41 | cantido | fac3less: use the debian CD, use the rescue mode |
| 05:54.47 | paq7512 | what does your sources list look like |
| 05:54.48 | paq7512 | ? |
| 05:54.57 | cantido | fac3less: it will chroot into your system.. you can then install grub |
| 05:55.00 | simonrvn | you can usually find that out by scanning the fs file magic or one of the binaries |
| 05:55.01 | fac3less | add non-free and contrib |
| 05:55.15 | fac3less | brb guys, trying knoppix! :D |
| 05:55.16 | simonrvn | (with file of course) |
| 05:55.18 | fac3less | pray for me. |
| 05:55.20 | simonrvn | gl |
| 05:55.30 | paq7512 | <fac3less>how? |
| 05:55.34 | crapeau | fac3less: knoppix is definetly alike debian regarding grub |
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| 05:55.52 | simonrvn | !sources.list |
| 05:55.52 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 05:55.54 | cantido | if he installs grub from knoppix it won't add the kernels etc |
| 05:56.15 | simonrvn | paq7512: ^^ |
| 05:56.40 | Jordan_U | fac3less: Follow this guide: http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide |
| 05:56.54 | crapeau | cantido: he can boot from the prompt manually i guess |
| 05:57.18 | cantido | crapeau: sounds like fun(tm) |
| 05:57.26 | simonrvn | grub is nice for that, it's almost like having of there |
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| 05:57.49 | cantido | loads his kernel by loading bytes into memory with switches |
| 05:57.55 | Jordan_U | fac3less: What version of Debian are you using? |
| 05:58.17 | crapeau | cantido: mostly mean ugly |
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| 05:58.49 | cantido | if he just used the rescue mode from d-i he'd be fine |
| 05:59.04 | Jordan_U | fac3less: If it's not Debian 6.0 or testing/unstable then you actually shouldn't use that guide. |
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| 06:07.27 | fac3less | Yay! A new error. |
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| 06:09.20 | fac3less | brb |
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| 06:50.43 | ElDiabolo | spermonface, ZFS |
| 06:50.59 | spermonface | so? |
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| 06:51.34 | spermonface | freebsd using ufs, I guess |
| 06:52.43 | ElDiabolo | spermonface, ZFS has a license that is not kompatible with the linux kernel. So the options to use it are "build your own", fuse and freeBSD kernel. |
| 06:53.07 | spermonface | oh |
| 06:53.50 | ElDiabolo | spermonface, No practicle experience however, just read an article on that. |
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| 07:03.37 | Connor1 | I'm going to be mixing some drum and bass live, come listen. Awesomecougars.org , I am on the channel "Derp." Click the icon most relevant to your media player, and listen! |
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| 07:48.34 | Elfish | anyone familiar with powernowd? i tried to use it but it says something about sysfs :x |
| 07:48.47 | Elfish | Starting powernowd: required sysfs objects not found! |
| 07:48.47 | Elfish | Read /usr/share/doc/powernowd/README.Debian for more information. |
| 07:48.50 | Elfish | is the error i get |
| 07:49.06 | Elfish | the readme says somethign about kernel modules i added them to /etc/modules and rebootet |
| 07:49.33 | Elfish | any idea? |
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| 07:49.48 | Elfish | i tried to mount the sysfs according to the readme aswell |
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| 08:07.32 | simonrvn | Elfish: did it say the same after you rebooted and powernod started? |
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| 08:30.01 | Elfish | simonrvn yes |
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| 08:44.25 | ethanol | hi |
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| 09:15.11 | Elfish | modprobe speedstep-centrino |
| 09:15.12 | Elfish | FATAL: Error inserting speedstep_centrino (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/speedstep-centrino.ko): No such device |
| 09:15.13 | Elfish | huh? |
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| 09:15.18 | Elfish | the file is there |
| 09:15.47 | xk | what processor do you have? |
| 09:15.58 | Elfish | e2160 |
| 09:16.23 | simonrvn | Elfish: has nothing to do with the file, but the device it manages - read the msg again |
| 09:16.24 | xk | that stuff is out of date |
| 09:16.37 | xk | cpufreq_* is used. |
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| 09:17.24 | Elfish | @Elfish-NAS:/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/cpufreq# ls |
| 09:17.25 | Elfish | acpi-cpufreq.ko powernow-k8.ko speedstep-centrino.ko |
| 09:17.27 | Elfish | hm. |
| 09:17.44 | xk | i'm using cpufreq_* right now on a e2140 |
| 09:18.04 | Elfish | which modules do i need to load?` |
| 09:18.17 | xk | acpi_cpufreq cpufreq_ondemand freq_table processor |
| 09:18.58 | xk | centrino's the wrong name... it probably refers to the old pentium m stuff. |
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| 09:19.43 | Elfish | okay |
| 09:19.50 | Elfish | so i just add those to /etc/modules |
| 09:19.52 | Elfish | and reboot? |
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| 09:20.26 | Elfish | fatalerrors: Module freq_table not found. |
| 09:20.31 | Elfish | fatalerrors: Module cpu_freq_ondemand not found. |
| 09:20.37 | Elfish | fatalerrors: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device |
| 09:20.51 | Elfish | i tried loading them with modprobe |
| 09:21.01 | xk | cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep name |
| 09:21.22 | Elfish | model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 4300 @ 1.80GHz |
| 09:21.28 | xk | hmmm.. c2d |
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| 09:22.01 | tron_ | i'm unable to get debian 6 netinstall installed in vmware. "mirror does not support the specified release (squeeze)" - any help? Debian 6 is the first debian i've had any problems at all with vmware |
| 09:22.12 | xk | try a different mirror? |
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| 09:22.19 | tron_ | i've tried them all |
| 09:22.43 | clip | hi i'm about to download the current debian version, what do the numbers at the end mean ( DVD-1.iso)? |
| 09:23.01 | xk | clip: it means which volume number it is |
| 09:23.12 | tron_ | besides, i find it hard to believe debian.org doesn't support squeeze |
| 09:23.19 | xk | you don't really need the DVDs unless you want to install it on a site without (or slow) internet connection |
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| 09:23.26 | xk | tron_: broken transparent proxy> |
| 09:23.28 | xk | ? |
| 09:23.37 | xk | amd64 or i386? |
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| 09:23.48 | clip | xk: so how do i do it without? |
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| 09:24.03 | xk | clip: netinstall or business mini CD |
| 09:24.05 | tron_ | i've tried both amd/i386 |
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| 09:24.34 | xk | tron_: try business mini CD. that will get you installed |
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| 09:24.37 | Elfish | the cpu should support speed stepping right xk? |
| 09:24.46 | xk | Elfish: yeah, it's newer than my CPU |
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| 09:24.49 | tron_ | thanks xk, i will give it a shot |
| 09:24.59 | xk | well, it does say it's a 4300? |
| 09:25.40 | Elfish | that dude that sold me the computer prolly didn't know |
| 09:25.58 | Elfish | he told me it's a e2200 which has 2.2 ghz |
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| 09:26.07 | Elfish | so i assumed it's a 2160 which has 1.8 ghz |
| 09:26.12 | xk | supports eSpeedStep |
| 09:26.15 | Elfish | but 4300 seems more reasonable |
| 09:26.25 | Elfish | since cpuid shows that aswell |
| 09:26.29 | tweek_ | clip: dvd1 is the one where everything important is on, the subsequent images contain less frequently required packages (you don't need them). but as people said, if you have internet, use the netinst image instead |
| 09:27.14 | Elfish | i guess i'm missing some kernel modules or something |
| 09:27.38 | xk | http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/enhanced-intel-speedstepr-technology-and-demand-based-switching-on-linux/ |
| 09:28.35 | xk | acpi loaded? |
| 09:29.00 | clip | tweek_: thanks |
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| 09:29.18 | Elfish | lsmod|grep acpi |
| 09:29.20 | Elfish | returns nothing |
| 09:29.25 | Elfish | so i guess not |
| 09:29.53 | SgrA | I have a .img file. How can I open it? |
| 09:29.55 | Elfish | hitting the power button on my casing triggers acpi events too |
| 09:29.56 | Elfish | right? |
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| 09:31.32 | Elfish | acpi has nothing to do with ahci oder? |
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| 09:31.34 | Elfish | *or |
| 09:32.13 | xk | hmm |
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| 09:32.25 | XX | SgrA here |
| 09:32.27 | XX | I have a .img file. How can I open it? |
| 09:32.28 | xk | that intel reference is wrong |
| 09:32.34 | xk | even though it was written in 2010 |
| 09:33.21 | tron_ | xk: thanks, it seems the business version is working. very strange |
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| 09:34.21 | tweek_ | XX: never tried it, but i think you can mount it, like 'mount -o loop image.img /mountpoint' |
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| 09:35.12 | tron_ | false alarm, seems like i have no network access |
| 09:35.39 | Elfish | i think acpi works |
| 09:35.40 | xk | what machine? |
| 09:35.50 | Elfish | other the power button wouldn't work |
| 09:35.51 | xk | server? desktop? what network card? |
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| 09:36.28 | tron_ | trying 1 possible fix, perhaps my vpn is having issues |
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| 09:38.12 | ov3rmind | :) |
| 09:38.43 | tweek_ | XX: forgot you also have to specify file system type: 'mount -t FSTYPE -o loop image.imp /mountpoint' |
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| 09:39.45 | AthomIk | hello |
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| 09:45.01 | Leoneof | hello, i've 8 DVDs, it is possible to extract all *.deb from iso dvd1 and copy them to the folder /var/cache/apt/archive/dvd1 ? and same way with dvd2 to /var/cache/apt/archive/dvd2 , and so on? |
| 09:45.13 | xk | without dirs. |
| 09:45.15 | Leoneof | sorry, i don't know how to explain clearly. |
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| 09:45.22 | Leoneof | :[ |
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| 09:45.58 | simonrvn | that was clear enough. your destination is a bit wrong though, it's 'archives', not 'archive' |
| 09:46.11 | Leoneof | xk: but in this case .../apt/archives/ will hang with nautilus because alot of files. |
| 09:46.16 | Leoneof | simonrvn: i see, thanks :p |
| 09:46.22 | simonrvn | Leoneof: easier way would be to add the dvd to sources.list |
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| 09:46.59 | xk | tell nautilus to stop trying to determine filetype. |
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| 09:47.13 | Leoneof | simonrvn: oh, another idea, how about mounting iso ? |
| 09:47.24 | AthomIk | i use kvm and debian vm, how i can use vi for all vm in parralelle ? for change all .bashrc per example ? |
| 09:47.25 | Leoneof | xk: i see |
| 09:47.31 | simonrvn | "nautilus: stop making a fool of yourself" ;p |
| 09:47.38 | xk | not sure how you'd setup a local mirror. |
| 09:47.44 | xk | probably thats a better approach |
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| 09:48.01 | Leoneof | :d |
| 09:48.06 | simonrvn | !mirrors |
| 09:48.06 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
| 09:48.11 | simonrvn | !mirror |
| 09:48.11 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
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| 09:48.18 | simonrvn | !local mirror |
| 09:48.31 | simonrvn | something like that |
| 09:48.39 | Leoneof | creating local mirror on my machine? *reading* |
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| 09:49.44 | _Christophe_ | Anybody have an idea on wether to use Rsync or other solution to make a one time sync from an older file server of 3TB to a newer? |
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| 09:51.19 | sep | _Christophe_, witrh rsync you can relativly easy sync again if you find issues. and you can relativly easy continue if it breaks half way. altho rsync over ssh will be slower then just rsync. but it's by favorite tool when moving data around |
| 09:51.20 | simonrvn | yeh, i'd use rsync. that's a lot of data, and rsync will minimise the time it takes to get that going |
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| 09:51.46 | simonrvn | what sep said too |
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| 09:52.10 | _Christophe_ | so you it will be best to don't use over ssh ? |
| 09:52.40 | sep | _Christophe_, who knows perhaps you do this sync over the internet and you _WANT_ the ssh encryption. i'm just guessing at your needs here |
| 09:53.12 | xk | 3TB over the internet? :) |
| 09:53.22 | simonrvn | yeh! |
| 09:53.31 | _Christophe_ | no i'm on a LAN |
| 09:53.35 | sep | xk, takes a while... |
| 09:53.38 | _Christophe_ | lol |
| 09:53.43 | sep | but not a real problem with rsync |
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| 09:55.03 | _Christophe_ | You think I'l have for a ong time? |
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| 09:58.37 | AthomIk | i use kvm and debian vm, how i can use vi for all vm in parralelle ? for change all .bashrc per example ? |
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| 09:59.32 | tweek_ | _Christophe_: this is just a guess, but wouldn't hard disk write speed be the limiting factor here anyway? |
| 09:59.36 | Bushmills | AthomIk: together with find |
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| 09:59.57 | Bushmills | check out the --exec command option of find |
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| 10:00.36 | themill | AthomIk: you could use something like pssh -- not to run vi but to append or change files with sed or similar |
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| 10:01.09 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:01.17 | _Christophe_ | Thanks tweek_ |
| 10:01.18 | _Christophe_ | Yes |
| 10:01.20 | tweek_ | which would mean that using rsync is as fast as any method |
| 10:01.42 | tweek_ | i use it this way, but not for 3tb :-) |
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| 10:02.35 | _Christophe_ | lol |
| 10:02.47 | _Christophe_ | I'll try to use it without SSH |
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| 10:04.01 | tweek_ | _Christophe_: over the network? i just read in the manual that without specifying a remote shell, rsync over network uses ssh by default |
| 10:04.10 | AthomIk | themill: yes, i use pssh but must have user with sudo without passwd for this ? |
| 10:04.41 | themill | or ssh in as root |
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| 10:05.57 | jelly | allowing ssh as root might not be a great policy, from an auditing pov |
| 10:06.24 | themill | you can limit it to coming from a single host if you want |
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| 10:06.42 | tweek_ | _Christophe_: http://lists.samba.org/archive/rsync/2004-April/009077.html |
| 10:07.17 | tweek_ | so you could try with '-e rsh' instead of '-e ssh', then it's not encrypted |
| 10:07.33 | AthomIk | themill: for use pssh, you have user without sudo password ? |
| 10:07.54 | _Christophe_ | I'll b back sorry |
| 10:08.14 | AthomIk | themill: or use expect or other for this ? |
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| 10:10.03 | spermonface | How can I configure pppoe on KFreeBSD? |
| 10:10.39 | tweek_ | ...but not necessarily faster, unless your cpu is really slow (i think...?) |
| 10:11.04 | Bushmills | spermonface: try to run pppoe-setup |
| 10:11.07 | _Christophe_ | ah ok tweek_ |
| 10:11.15 | _Christophe_ | So I'll try with rsh |
| 10:11.28 | _Christophe_ | humm its a good server |
| 10:11.36 | _Christophe_ | It's ok :) |
| 10:11.45 | _Christophe_ | thanks for the link |
| 10:11.58 | spermonface | which of CD's include pppoe-packages or nm-applet? |
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| 10:13.16 | AthomIk | themill: for root cmd, why you use with pssh ? |
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| 10:22.24 | AthomIk | Bushmills: exist a parallele vi ? for vm machine ? |
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| 10:22.53 | Bushmills | there exist parallel shells, allowing to type once, execute many |
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| 10:25.56 | petemc | and clusterssh |
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| 10:29.15 | _Christophe_ | tweek_, do you use the "-z" parameter to compress data to be transfered with rsync? |
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| 10:31.05 | tweek_ | _Christophe_: no, but i suppose it would take load off the network and on the cpu, i suppose it's good for slow network connections |
| 10:32.10 | tweek_ | i use '-ahv', ssh is implied when specifiying a user@machine type target |
| 10:33.02 | _Christophe_ | ok |
| 10:33.09 | _Christophe_ | Thaks tweek_ :) |
| 10:33.37 | Leoneof | how to mount ISO by using right click, like Ubuntu? |
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| 10:33.52 | tweek_ | _Christophe_: maybe you can do a test run with a smaller directory, try ssh vs rsh, with and without encryption, then decide |
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| 10:34.16 | _Christophe_ | Ok tweek_ :) |
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| 10:35.10 | _Christophe_ | Leoneof, left click on the terminal icon and type the right commands :P |
| 10:35.21 | Leoneof | _Christophe_: lol |
| 10:35.26 | _Christophe_ | :D |
| 10:37.54 | tweek_ | Leoneof: just to pursue the thought, if you do it in the terminal, it's 'mount -o loop image.iso /mountpoint' |
| 10:38.41 | Leoneof | tweek_: right, |
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| 10:41.13 | gnugr | mount -o loop image.iso /mnt/cdrom |
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| 10:42.21 | _Christophe_ | In fact tweek_ compressing data with rsync take very much time to proceed |
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| 10:44.39 | macrobat | should a folder have the same files when looking from outside a chroot as from the inside? |
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| 10:46.15 | valut | Hi |
| 10:46.25 | Pies | yup |
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| 10:46.39 | valut | as you usualy hear here i have a problem |
| 10:46.44 | valut | ;] |
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| 10:47.21 | valut | my atftp deamon works only on server i can't connect to this server outside |
| 10:48.43 | valut | from server i can put or get files but from other computer i can't |
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| 10:49.18 | valut | to connect to server i use lan IP |
| 10:50.12 | valut | please help me i'm siting on this second day |
| 10:50.56 | Ecco | Hi everyone |
| 10:51.06 | Ecco | I came here a few days ago about a problem of weird load average |
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| 10:51.17 | Ecco | Thing is, I still haven't sorted this out |
| 10:51.20 | casts | was it negative? |
| 10:51.36 | Bushmills | valut: use netstat to check whether the daemon has been bound to public interfaces |
| 10:51.48 | Ecco | Here's the output of "uptime" : load average: 1.42, 2.58, 2.68 |
| 10:51.54 | Ecco | It's a 4 processor PowerPC machine |
| 10:51.55 | casts | ok. |
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| 10:52.00 | macrobat | load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.06 |
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| 10:52.06 | Ecco | And thing is, it's got basically nothing running |
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| 10:52.16 | Ecco | a DHCP server, and that's pretty much it |
| 10:52.25 | Ecco | CPUs are idle 99.9percent of the time |
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| 10:52.26 | valut | Bushmills: with what arguments? |
| 10:52.29 | Ecco | there's no zombie process |
| 10:52.37 | Bushmills | am i your man page? |
| 10:52.37 | Ecco | and there's over 4GB of free RAM |
| 10:53.00 | valut | Bushmills: no but it's quicker |
| 10:53.04 | casts | possibly a few processors are waiting on something |
| 10:53.07 | Bushmills | with those which allow you to see the services you're inquiring about |
| 10:53.36 | Bushmills | and no, knowing which pars, therefore not having to ask, is even quicker |
| 10:53.57 | Bushmills | that's what you gain by consulting the man pages |
| 10:54.45 | valut | it's there |
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| 10:54.59 | Ecco | casts: Well, I guess⦠But I really don't know why |
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| 10:55.16 | Ecco | There's pretty much no disk I/O either... |
| 10:55.26 | frikinz | no 1.42, no processor is waiting |
| 10:55.27 | Bushmills | question wasn't "is it there" but "is it bound to public interfaces", i.e. other than 127.0.0.1 |
| 10:55.34 | valut | i have read man page for this but it does me nothing |
| 10:56.01 | Bushmills | wow, you're a fast reader |
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| 10:56.13 | valut | i read this before |
| 10:56.37 | valut | to atftp not netstat |
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| 10:57.15 | Bushmills | so you knew already how to use netstat. good. has daemon be bound to other interfaces than those with 127.0.0.1 address? |
| 10:58.40 | valut | -e |
| 10:58.44 | valut | sorry |
| 11:00.50 | valut | it don't have listening status or any other |
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| 11:01.54 | gnugr | valut: read this: http://www.debianadmin.com/atftp-server-and-client-installation-and-configuration.html |
| 11:02.01 | valut | ok |
| 11:02.27 | Bushmills | well, it does listen somethere to, or you couldn't connect from localhost. listener may be inetd or xinetd, though |
| 11:03.24 | valut | on hosts.allow i have ALL: ALL |
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| 11:03.44 | valut | i use atftp as stand alone daemon |
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| 11:05.43 | valut | my configuration looks fine, with this webpage |
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| 11:06.44 | valut | i have tftp client for windows and it's found server but can't get or put anything with timeout error |
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| 11:07.18 | valut | on vmware machine suse is the same but tftp for linux don't check server |
| 11:08.38 | valut | on PXE booting is error file not found |
| 11:09.06 | valut | alco with vmware virtual machine |
| 11:09.11 | valut | *also |
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| 11:11.28 | valut | this virtual machine is on other computer becouse on serwer i don't have monitor and X |
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| 11:11.44 | gnugr | valut: are you useing debian? |
| 11:11.50 | valut | yes |
| 11:12.43 | gnugr | valut: you have vm on debian? |
| 11:12.50 | valut | no |
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| 11:17.52 | valut | i have only server stuff on debian sshd saned cups webmin etc. no X or vm |
| 11:18.16 | valut | dhcpd |
| 11:18.25 | valut | samba |
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| 11:18.33 | valut | like this |
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| 11:19.03 | gnugr | valut: type in here " /msg dpkg tftp " |
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| 11:35.26 | macrobat | "file initrd.img-blabla" says it is gzip compressed data, but i can't gunzip it. i tried to extract it with "cpio -iv < initrd.img-blabla" and got "cpio: Malformed number" |
| 11:35.44 | macrobat | "cpio: warning: archive header has reverse byte-order" |
| 11:35.48 | gnarface | wtf happened to my back button in iceweasel? |
| 11:36.17 | Black_Prince | macrobat ... You have to rename initrd.img-kvers to initrd.gz, then gzip -d it and then use cpio on it |
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| 11:37.08 | casts | zcat initrd.img-blabla | cpio -idv |
| 11:37.08 | macrobat | gnarface: there is no back button to click? |
| 11:37.30 | gnarface | macrobat: its fucking gone dude |
| 11:37.35 | gnarface | macrobat: the forward button is gone too |
| 11:37.44 | abrotman | gnarface: which version ? |
| 11:38.02 | gnarface | abrotman: sid, iceweasel 3.5.17 |
| 11:38.17 | gnarface | abrotman: this just in... turns out the back button is there its just missing a graphic and its like 5px wide |
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| 11:38.31 | gnarface | but if i'm careful i can still click on it |
| 11:38.54 | gnarface | .... that shouldn't have happened though right? |
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| 11:40.01 | abrotman | gnarface: they may have changed the pixmap .. just edit the toolbar and add it back ? |
| 11:40.05 | ethanol | that you are using iceweasel was more of a wtf to me, to be honest. |
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| 11:40.27 | abrotman | gnarface: wait .. sid should have 3.6.x ? |
| 11:40.31 | abrotman | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 11:40.33 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-5~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-5; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-6; sid: 3.5.17-1; wheezy: 3.5.17-1; experimental: 4.0~rc2-2 |
| 11:40.43 | abrotman | oh .. guess not |
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| 11:40.57 | Black_Prince | I have 4.0 on squeeze ... via mozilla.debian.net's backports |
| 11:41.03 | gnarface | its never happened before |
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| 11:41.51 | themill | gnarface: what did you upgrade recently? Or are you using a custom theme for iceweasel? |
| 11:42.24 | gnarface | themill: well i just ran my semi-weekly update a bit ago, but i'm pretty sure i've had this version of iceweasel since before that, which is weird... also, no custom theme |
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| 11:42.45 | gnarface | abrotman: removing the back/forward/history widget (it appears to be one button) and putting it back does nothing |
| 11:43.00 | gnarface | should i just force reinstall or something? |
| 11:44.01 | gnarface | well here's a question... where should that graphic be located? |
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| 11:46.28 | themill | nfc, but they could easily be part of gtk not iceweasel itself. |
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| 11:47.43 | gnarface | runs another update |
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| 11:47.55 | gnarface | i see these packages held back: console-setup keyboard-configuration libreoffice-base-core libreoffice-core libreoffice-filter-binfilter libreoffice-math libreoffice-writer python-uno |
| 11:48.12 | gnarface | shouldn't be relevant should they? |
| 11:48.28 | jklu | my old pc with 500 mhz i install debian squeeze with lxde. but after first boot i became a black windows and i can not switch to another terminal. failsave mode ok so what can i try |
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| 11:49.44 | gnarface | brb gonna try installing them all |
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| 11:50.04 | abrotman | those aren't going to fix his problem .. |
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| 11:51.53 | uwjweq | My gf needs debian 6 power but only has a Windows machine at work. Is there something like andLinux or coLinux for squeeze? |
| 11:52.13 | ethanol | uwjweq: get the windows installer for mint or ubuntu |
| 11:52.17 | ethanol | uwjweq: easy dual boot setup |
| 11:52.55 | sep | uwjweq, or something like virtualbox |
| 11:52.59 | uwjweq | ethanol: I am not sure if she is allowed to change the bootloader. |
| 11:53.04 | uwjweq | sep: Indeed. |
| 11:53.13 | ethanol | uwjweq: you don't have to? |
| 11:53.14 | uwjweq | Thank you a lot. |
| 11:53.30 | Elfish | root@Elfish-NAS:~# modprobe acpi-cpufreq |
| 11:53.33 | Elfish | FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device |
| 11:53.33 | Elfish | huh? |
| 11:53.33 | Elfish | O_o |
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| 11:53.39 | abrotman | colinux is for windows .. |
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| 11:53.49 | abrotman | !paste |
| 11:53.49 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 11:53.50 | Elfish | hm. |
| 11:53.58 | Elfish | ye i got it abrotman thx. |
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| 11:57.34 | ragnar76 | hi all |
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| 11:58.47 | runev | Anyone know what a "v" in front of a package means on aptitude search? aptitude search postfix-tls, displays the package with a 'v' in front, and dpkg -s says its not installed, and aptitude install can't find it. |
| 11:59.23 | gnarface | themill, abrotman nope that didn't change anything. still missing my back/forward button graphics and the buttons themselves appear to have collapsed to close up the empty space |
| 11:59.23 | Elfish | maybe virtual package? |
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| 11:59.59 | abrotman | gnarface: create a new/test user, see if the same issue persists |
| 12:00.09 | gnarface | good idea |
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| 12:00.40 | ragnar76 | got a question... :o) i'm using an extenal hdd which is connected via usb. how can i mount and bind it it to a specific mount place even when i change the usb port? |
| 12:01.12 | gnarface | i guess that's what UUID's are for |
| 12:02.00 | gnarface | i've got a related question - is the UUID the same everywhere, or just on that one machine? Like, if you connect the same drive to a different computer, will it show the same UUID? i heard someone say that if you reformat a partition or change its size it changes the uuid |
| 12:02.46 | Bushmills | ragnar76: use usbmount, and check contents of /var/run/usbmount |
| 12:02.48 | gnarface | also i wanna know why ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't work anymore or how to turn it back on |
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| 12:03.14 | gnarface | brb checking other user |
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| 12:04.54 | ragnar76 | strange, my mobile phone, which is not connected right now, appears in /var/run/usbmount |
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| 12:05.51 | Bushmills | then the remove model symlink script in /etc/usbmount/umount.d/ must have failed |
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| 12:06.54 | Bushmills | well, having the phone remounted will/should rewrite the link. |
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| 12:07.14 | tech | hey fellas.. just brought up ashiny new squeeze box. |
| 12:07.21 | tech | and as simple as it is samaba weill not listen... |
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| 12:07.25 | Bushmills | for a fixed mount pount, consider symlinking into /var/run/usbmount |
| 12:07.27 | tech | i started the service with my smb.conf |
| 12:07.53 | tech | but netstat -tapn | grep smbd produces no output. and the samaba box is not accessible. |
| 12:07.57 | tech | any ideas????? |
| 12:08.05 | gnarface | abrotman: confirmed - missing back/forward graphics persist to new users as well |
| 12:08.18 | gnarface | so its not just something wrong with my current user's home dir |
| 12:08.19 | abrotman | gnarface: check the BTS |
| 12:08.37 | gnarface | bts? |
| 12:08.41 | abrotman | seriously? |
| 12:08.54 | gnarface | bugs.debian.org? |
| 12:08.55 | Bushmills | tech, grep for 139 instead of smbd |
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| 12:09.07 | tech | same result |
| 12:09.22 | JyZyXEL | god damn its so fucking hard to write udev rules |
| 12:09.22 | Bushmills | check samba logs. or daemon.log |
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| 12:09.29 | tech | logs show samba starting proper... |
| 12:09.31 | tech | fucking wierd.. |
| 12:09.59 | tech | [2011/03/24 08:05:55, 0] nmbd/nmbd.c:857(main) nmbd version 3.5.6 started. Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2010 |
| 12:10.14 | tech | but thats it... nothign more after that. |
| 12:10.18 | ragnar76 | Bushmills: but how do i find out what names are used there? |
| 12:10.24 | BenBE | I have been playing Debian for years, but every time I thought I was at the end I realized apt-get update brought new levels ... |
| 12:10.34 | MeglaW | wierd, när ja kör einstein@home så klickar det i högtalarna.... |
| 12:10.38 | Bushmills | ragnar76: depends on device. plug it in, and you'll see |
| 12:10.47 | tech | i am running stable too.. |
| 12:10.48 | mrtnt | Is it possible to force IPv6 global address detection? I mean router sends from time-to-time "router advertisment" messages, but is it possible to ask for "router advertisment" under Debian? |
| 12:10.58 | tech | how could something as simple as "samaba" not work out of the box..wtf.... |
| 12:11.26 | BenBE | mrtnt Why ask for it? They are sent every 1-5 seconds ... |
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| 12:12.04 | BenBE | And even on Win2K I get full IPv6 with radvd. |
| 12:12.40 | tech | udp 0 0 192.168.20.185:137 0.0.0.0:* 3904/nmbd |
| 12:12.46 | tech | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:12.59 | tech | so is it smbd that is not listening???? |
| 12:13.35 | ragnar76 | Bushmills: k, got "Hitachi_HDS5C1010CLA382_1" and "Nokia_S60_1". both are pointing to /media/usb0 |
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| 12:13.55 | Bushmills | one is probably stale |
| 12:14.11 | mrtnt | BenBE: I think my ISP has misconfigured something as I have to wait several minutes. I checked with tcpdump as well and "ICMP, router advertisment" messages are received about every ~5min. One might think, that "ip" utility should provide such functionality and as far as I know, there is a ndp(8) utility under BSD.. |
| 12:14.24 | Bushmills | plugging in you phone should update the nokia link |
| 12:14.40 | gnarface | abrotman: it appears to be this bug, but supposedly it was fixed on the 27th of february??? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=597694 |
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| 12:15.11 | gnarface | must be the last person in the world using the default theme |
| 12:15.34 | ragnar76 | not in /var/run/usbmount. got 2 new devices. i have 2 partitions on the phone. one is usb1 and the other one is usb2 now. |
| 12:16.13 | abrotman | gnarface: there are other themes? |
| 12:16.26 | BenBE | mrtnt Is the IP you get from your ISP static? |
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| 12:16.43 | gnarface | abrotman: that guy appears to have been running iceweasel 3.6.10-1.... how come judd and me have the old version? i'm using the kernel.org apt source... any ideas? |
| 12:16.48 | BenBE | If so, I'd just go and configure it statically. |
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| 12:16.55 | abrotman | gnarface: there was discussion about this a few weeks ago |
| 12:16.57 | BenBE | OR ask the support to fix their configuration. |
| 12:17.08 | mrtnt | BenBE: yes, it's statical. |
| 12:17.18 | abrotman | gnarface: IIRC, they yanked 3.6.x from unstable, and put 3.5.x back in , then decided to focus on 4.x in experimetnal |
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| 12:17.36 | gnarface | aaah. so when they did that they probably re-introduced this bug |
| 12:17.41 | abrotman | possibly |
| 12:17.55 | gnarface | but wait... i had this version last week with the icons... so its some other package actually |
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| 12:18.25 | gnarface | could it be libcairo? that's what this guy claimed was the issue, but i have no idea how he came to that conclusion |
| 12:18.52 | dfaure | if I want to patch a .deb, shall I do apt-get source ; dch --bpo ; debuild -i -us -uc ? I tried that, but now apt-get update wants to replace my .deb with the official one, how do I set a version number so that mine has priority until further notice? |
| 12:18.56 | ragnar76 | Bushmills: what would happen when i delete both files in /var/run/usbmount/ ? |
| 12:19.41 | Bushmills | that's what the unlink script should do automatically - when devices are unplugged. |
| 12:19.51 | Bushmills | it's fine to remove them manually |
| 12:20.27 | BenBE | mrtnt Well, I'd suggest making you IPv6 configuration static in this case. |
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| 12:22.05 | ragnar76 | Bushmills: so i disconect the devices, delete the files, reconnect and see what happens |
| 12:22.10 | Bushmills | remembers vaguely redoing the unlink script on another system, because of a similar problem |
| 12:22.23 | tech | i just purged samaba and tried to reinstall but it will nto recretae the /et/samba directory |
| 12:22.44 | BenBE | Playing with IPv6: ping6 ff02::1 |
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| 12:24.37 | jonas__ | silly question but did gmail change something these days - are new mails no more printed bold - or were all my accounts hacked?:D |
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| 12:25.30 | Bushmills | ,versions gmail |
| 12:25.32 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'gmail' was found in i386. |
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| 12:25.40 | terranova | what does trademark/logo of debian shows ? |
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| 12:26.07 | terranova | is it a fib. spiral? |
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| 12:26.25 | Rockj | btw, apt-get install sympa wants me to install mysql server and etc, is there a way to not include this package? we plan to use sympa together with ldap and see no reason for why it should have mysql as a depedendency |
| 12:26.59 | gnarface | hmm. i was wondering why my gmail account seemed to be abnormally quiet lately |
| 12:27.48 | Bushmills | Rockj: mysql-server is only remommended, not required. check your aptitude configuration |
| 12:27.56 | Bushmills | recommended .. |
| 12:28.07 | Black_Prince | Install it with --no-install-recommends switch |
| 12:28.12 | mrtnt | BenBE: ok, I'll go with the static one then. |
| 12:28.14 | Black_Prince | apt-get install sympa --no-install-recommends |
| 12:28.18 | mrtnt | BenBE: thanks! |
| 12:29.11 | Rockj | Bushmills: not using aptitude, going to test Black_Prince 's advice not. |
| 12:29.19 | Rockj | s/not/now/ |
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| 12:29.46 | jelly | jonas__: which browser are you using? I noticed this in firefox 3.6.x on squeeze, but only on one machine |
| 12:29.49 | Bushmills | right. seen too late that your were apt-getting, not aptituding |
| 12:30.07 | ragnar76 | Bushmills: no it's in the right order. hdd to usb0 and the phone at usb1/2 but how can i tell usbmount it should mount the hdd into /media/ext_hdd for example? |
| 12:30.12 | filePeter | Whats better with equal stepping, a Pentium D or Pentium 4? |
| 12:30.22 | tech | ok so i can get the system to listen but the minute i try write somethign to it locks the whole thign up. |
| 12:30.27 | tech | what the fuck is up with samaba!@! |
| 12:30.52 | Rockj | that seems to do the trick. Normally I've had to select a -mysql etc package if I wanted a main-package to include for example sql support. |
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| 12:31.00 | Bushmills | ragnar76: your usbmount.conf allows you to create the symlinks in a different directory |
| 12:31.21 | Rockj | Black_Prince: so thanks, ill keep that --no-install-recommends in mind for the future. |
| 12:31.22 | Rockj | :) |
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| 12:32.00 | Bushmills | ragnar76: wrong ... the link and unlink scripts allow that |
| 12:32.05 | Black_Prince | Rockj if you want to make it permanent, add APT::Install-Recommends no; in /etc/apt/apt-conf.d/99custom |
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| 12:33.34 | abrotman | apt.conf.d |
| 12:33.44 | Rockj | Black_Prince: nah, it has just never been a issue before that it included too many packages. |
| 12:33.54 | Black_Prince | thanks abrotman |
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| 12:34.06 | Rockj | And too bad the dpkg-reconfigure for sympa doesn't support ldap, guess manually config it is. |
| 12:34.50 | khaleel5000 | hi, is there any way to play this video stream in debian (any program) ? http://www.dawn.com/dntv-live/index.html# |
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| 12:35.44 | gnarface | khaleel5000: i didn't look at it but did you try mozilla-plugin-vlc? |
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| 12:36.56 | khaleel5000 | gnarface: I want to play it in a program, not in browser. |
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| 12:37.18 | gnarface | vlc accepts urls |
| 12:37.29 | gnarface | so does mplayer and probably xine as well |
| 12:37.41 | tech | so no one has any tips on this samba issue?? |
| 12:37.48 | gnarface | khaleel5000: you'd have to find the url to the actual stream though, not just the html page |
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| 12:38.29 | MeglaW | tech: what do you mean lock, shure inte not doing its work and not promting it? |
| 12:38.45 | MeglaW | send a really small file. :) |
| 12:38.55 | tech | MeglaW: i sent a file that says "hello" |
| 12:38.57 | tech | pure txt |
| 12:39.09 | tech | and it just spins its wheels and then comes back with lost connection. |
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| 12:39.24 | MeglaW | oh. so pastebin your configs. :) |
| 12:39.43 | tech | at first i thought it was win7 issue but happenign on everything |
| 12:39.47 | tech | ok. sec |
| 12:40.31 | hesco | I've build my host file system on an lvm on top of raid1. How does that change how grub ought to be installed. grub-install /dev/sda did not succeed in booting the machine, although the rest of the install seems to have gone fine. |
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| 12:41.06 | tech | http://pastebin.com/UT2LWinS |
| 12:41.11 | tech | MeglaW: ^^ |
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| 12:41.58 | khaleel5000 | gnarface: how do i find that , i looked at page source can you guide me on that |
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| 12:42.53 | gnarface | khaleel5000: it appears to be http://dawnstream.hostingmadeeasy.com/dawn |
| 12:44.13 | gnarface | khaleel5000: i'm not clear on whether that's what you'd want to play or one of the urls in the text file it returns. |
| 12:44.25 | _Christophe_ | Is there a wayto know how much time a rsync took to proceed? |
| 12:44.40 | khaleel5000 | gnarface: yeah thats what I want to play but vlc crashes |
| 12:44.41 | Bushmills | _Christophe_: time rsync ... |
| 12:44.44 | khaleel5000 | that was waht I wanted to run |
| 12:44.47 | sephii | _Christophe_: launch it with time |
| 12:44.52 | gnarface | khaleel5000: i don't really get all this microsoft video encapsulation gunk. sometimes it works for me and sometimes it doesn't. |
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| 12:45.24 | gnarface | khaleel5000: try this: http://dawnstream.hostingmadeeasy.com/dawn?MSWMExt=.asf and this: http://66.219.30.200:80/dawn?MSWMExt=.asf as well, and if they don't work try all 3 urls with mplayer - sometimes it works better |
| 12:45.31 | _Christophe_ | I know time but it will not allow me to look the direct output of rsync in the terminal |
| 12:45.52 | _Christophe_ | Bushmills and sephii you know a different way? |
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| 12:45.58 | Bushmills | _Christophe_: with bash, do: SECONDS=0; rsync ...; echo $SECONDS |
| 12:46.24 | tech | MeglaW: see anything wrong? |
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| 12:46.45 | ArtVandalae | Hi guys... if I just want the regular GNOME desktop on CD, is that just CD 1? This needs to be an offline installation, so netinst won't do. |
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| 12:47.19 | _Christophe_ | hummm, seems it will output 0 Bushmills lol |
| 12:47.21 | _Christophe_ | no? |
| 12:47.25 | Bushmills | no |
| 12:47.39 | _Christophe_ | When does SECONDS variable change? |
| 12:47.42 | Bushmills | SECONDS=0; sleep 2; echo $SECONDS |
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| 12:47.49 | _Christophe_ | I'll try |
| 12:48.09 | bzed | why don't you just use time? |
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| 12:48.44 | tweek_ | doesn't rsync put out a summary at the end anyway, with -v? |
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| 12:49.29 | _Christophe_ | yes but noinformation about the time of complete execution |
| 12:49.38 | _Christophe_ | Bushmills, I could you explan that? lol! |
| 12:49.57 | Bushmills | _Christophe_: man bash |
| 12:50.02 | _Christophe_ | ok |
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| 12:50.53 | _Christophe_ | Realy thanks Bushmills :) |
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| 12:51.13 | tech | i can't even browse directories now... |
| 12:51.15 | tech | this blows. |
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| 12:52.47 | khaleel5000 | gnarface: no doesnt work |
| 12:53.13 | justin | tech: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 12:54.32 | tech | ? |
| 12:54.36 | gnarface | khaleel5000: sorry that's all i got for you then. it might just take a long time to buffer and you need to be patient, it might be that they require some sort of referrer or session checking so you *need* to open it in a web browser (or program a simulation of one) or it might just be a microsoft codec that's not yet supported. you can always look into debian multimedia for better compatibility, but i would try that mozilla-plu |
| 12:54.36 | gnarface | gin-vlc first if you haven't... beyond that i would say just cry that they suck and don't support open standard video formats |
| 12:54.59 | tech | justin: nah i am ok there. |
| 12:55.03 | tech | my issue right now is samba itself. |
| 12:55.06 | tech | i got it up and running. |
| 12:55.12 | tech | but, get s altitle deeper. |
| 12:55.17 | tech | i have 2 nfs mounts on the system. |
| 12:55.22 | tech | i am tryign to samba mount hose. |
| 12:55.28 | tech | i ahve done it in the past without issue. |
| 12:55.39 | justin | do you mean share your nfs mounts with samba? |
| 12:55.47 | tech | correct |
| 12:55.55 | tech | i had it working on previous box. |
| 12:55.57 | justin | oh, because that is not at all what you just said |
| 12:56.01 | tech | moved to new box and it is not working |
| 12:56.12 | tech | justin: yeah i just relaized the two shares that are nto working are nfs. |
| 12:56.15 | tech | the other two are fine. |
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| 12:56.33 | DammitJim | I can't get bluetooth to work on my wheezy machine. Is there a good tutorial on how to get this to work? |
| 12:56.39 | justin | did you try without disabling locking? |
| 12:57.36 | ragnar76 | DammitJim: what's wrong? |
| 12:57.41 | tech | hmm.. locking is set to no |
| 12:57.46 | tech | lock == yes? |
| 12:57.58 | justin | just comment out that line |
| 12:57.58 | khaleel5000 | gnarface: ok |
| 12:58.00 | khaleel5000 | thanks |
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| 12:58.26 | DammitJim | ragnar76, I tried this tutorial... http://wiki.debian.org/HOWTO/BluetoothMouse |
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| 12:58.52 | DammitJim | I have bluetooth installed, but my /etc/default/bluetooth file doesn't have an HIDD_ENABLED variable... nor HIDD_OPTIONS |
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| 12:59.10 | DammitJim | /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart gives me an error about it being deprectaed |
| 12:59.28 | DammitJim | I read the docs that it points to, but they don't tell me what to do |
| 12:59.33 | tech | justin: negative. the minute i try to access/copy something it just locks the windows side up. |
| 12:59.36 | DammitJim | the command hidd doesn't exist in my box |
| 12:59.48 | ragnar76 | DammitJim: pastebin the error pls |
| 12:59.55 | cantido | The "deprecated" tools were the only tools for ages and ages, I think thats only recently changed |
| 13:01.37 | tech | justin: any other thoughts? |
| 13:01.42 | tech | i am in a really bid here. |
| 13:01.46 | tech | i cannot process my work right now. |
| 13:01.56 | tech | not your problem but I might have to boot the old box up to get going again here. |
| 13:02.00 | tech | terrible situation for me hehe |
| 13:02.09 | tech | i thought i was golden... |
| 13:02.20 | tech | until i tired to actually write somethign to the share. |
| 13:02.29 | DammitJim | http://pastebin.com/sffi8d6D |
| 13:02.46 | justin | tech: dunno, a packet capture might help figure out why it is locking up |
| 13:03.18 | tech | fires up wireshark |
| 13:04.27 | Krobar | Anyone here good with Xen on Squeeze? |
| 13:04.54 | justin | DammitJim: did you read /usr/share/doc/bluez/NEWS.Debian.gz ? |
| 13:04.57 | tech | says header chksum incorrect. |
| 13:05.24 | justin | tech: that's a false alarm |
| 13:05.39 | Krobar | I've got a strange problem where any PV guest running Squueze just crashes at "Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd" |
| 13:05.50 | Krobar | Lenny PV guest works fine |
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| 13:05.59 | tech | NTLMSSP_CHALLENGE Error:STATUS_MORE_PROCESSIGN REQUIRED |
| 13:06.17 | justin | Krobar: http://wiki.debian.org/Xen#Nologinpromptwhenusing.60xmconsole.60 |
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| 13:06.42 | DammitJim | yes, but it doesn't tell me what I need to do |
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| 13:06.55 | DammitJim | justin, do you know what I need to do? |
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| 13:07.18 | ragnar76 | DammitJim: what version do you use? |
| 13:07.21 | justin | DammitJim: likely put the files back the way they were |
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| 13:07.33 | DammitJim | justin, I haven't changed any files |
| 13:07.40 | DammitJim | all I did was apt-get install bluetooth |
| 13:08.02 | DammitJim | bluetooth v.4.87-2 |
| 13:08.09 | DammitJim | is that what you were asking, ragnar76 ? |
| 13:08.27 | justin | judd: versions bluetooth |
| 13:08.28 | judd | Package bluetooth on i386 -- lenny: 3.36-3; lenny-backports: 4.60-1~bpo50+1; lenny-backports: 4.66-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.66-3; sid: 4.87-2; wheezy: 4.87-2; sid: 4.89-1 |
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| 13:09.41 | ragnar76 | 4.87-2 sounds good |
| 13:09.54 | DammitJim | do I need to install bluez? |
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| 13:10.08 | justin | bluetooth is a metapackage, at least unless sid changed it |
| 13:10.14 | justin | Depends: bluez |
| 13:10.29 | justin | so I would read the NEWS.Debian.gz |
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| 13:11.38 | DammitJim | justin, nowhere in NEWS.Debian does it say I need to install bluez |
| 13:12.09 | justin | DammitJim: nowhere in the NEWS.Debian file for the bluez package does it tell you that you need to install bluez? |
| 13:12.10 | DammitJim | it talks about bluez-utils... |
| 13:12.17 | tech | justin: anyother ideas? |
| 13:12.19 | Krobar | Justin: Thanks, sorry for the noob question but how do I know what the default password is for ssh if I didnt specify one? |
| 13:12.25 | justin | tech: nope |
| 13:12.29 | justin | Krobar: there is no default password |
| 13:12.59 | justin | DammitJim: why would a readme for a package you already have tell you to install that package? |
| 13:13.06 | Krobar | so I need to specify one when I create the image else I cannot access the VM? |
| 13:13.17 | justin | Krobar: how did you create the image? |
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| 13:14.04 | DammitJim | I'm just saying... I don't know what to do. The NEWS.Debian file is talking about hidd --connect but I don't even have hidd |
| 13:14.05 | Krobar | xen-create-image --hostname test2 --ip 195.2.139.5 --vcpus 2 --pygrub --dist squeeze --lvm data1 --kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.38-1-amd64 --initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.38-1-amd64 |
| 13:14.31 | justin | DammitJim: read the thing you previously pastbin'd |
| 13:14.44 | DammitJim | now, I tried bluetooth-agent, but I am not sure about my adapter-path |
| 13:14.55 | justin | Krobar: oh, last I used that it coppied the password file from the dom0 |
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| 13:15.33 | Krobar | Justin: thanks. I will just reinstall with a new password. I dont want it using the same passwords as Dom0 |
| 13:15.54 | justin | Krobar: you do not need to reinstall to change the password |
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| 13:17.07 | Krobar | Justin: itsok, I got the vmname messed up as well so it only takes a few mins to reinstall |
| 13:17.09 | ragnar76 | hmmmm.... i was google'ing about that. many ppl have your probs too |
| 13:17.45 | Krobar | I was googling for the OpenSSH line, I didnt realise it had actually finished booting |
| 13:17.58 | hesco | I've build my host file system on an lvm on top of raid1. How does that change how grub ought to be installed. grub-install /dev/sda did not succeed in booting the machine, although the rest of the install seems to have gone fine. |
| 13:18.17 | Krobar | (Have never seen a booted squeeze system, I''m a Centos user usually) |
| 13:18.22 | cantido | hesco: you didnt create a boot partition? |
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| 13:18.52 | hesco | I did, 512mb starting at the first cylinder, but I did not see how to make it bootable. |
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| 13:19.21 | cantido | hesco: and thats your /boot yes? |
| 13:20.16 | cantido | Krobar: CentOS has its coloured boot output.. not going to be much difference past that |
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| 13:21.00 | hesco | cantido: yes, mounted to /boot; I partitioned disks, creating physical drives for a RAID, then configured software RAID devices from those partitions, then created LVM vg and lv's on the /dev/md? devices. The file systems got built on top of that. But no option for making the first partition bootable. |
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| 13:22.33 | cantido | hesco: is /boot in the lvm and/or raid? |
| 13:23.01 | hesco | my /boot is on an lvm, on top of a RAID array |
| 13:23.02 | Krobar | Hesco: Big differences to config files and their locations mainly. Also module control, apt and pciback are all very different to Centos. Commands and general stuff is nice and similar though and Debian has a comparitively shiny new kernel :) |
| 13:23.17 | cantido | hesco: ok, I don't think that will work |
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| 13:23.40 | gnugr | gedit boot.conf |
| 13:23.45 | hesco | so do I need to remove the lvm on the /boot partition? |
| 13:24.05 | cantido | hesco: I think you can boot from LVM now but I wouldnt rely on it being rock solid |
| 13:24.09 | hesco | will it work on the RAID1 array of the two physical partitions? |
| 13:24.41 | justin | hesco: if your /boot is on lvm then you do not have a /boot partition, you have a /boot logical volume, which is not the same |
| 13:24.42 | cantido | hesco: RAID1 will be fine, because RAID1 is just copying the data to two places.. and grub wont care about that |
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| 13:25.28 | hesco | thank you folks, that is helpful, firing this jet engine back up to get the LV out of the way. |
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| 13:25.31 | cantido | hesco: just keep /boot as simple as possible, use ext3 etc |
| 13:25.31 | justin | grub can't boot off of lvm though? I know lilo could |
| 13:25.46 | cantido | justin: I think grub can boot from lvm recently |
| 13:26.00 | cantido | justin: lilo probably can because it codes a list of blocks into the mbr.. |
| 13:26.02 | justin | these days I just make a few gig / and put the rest on lvm, keeps things simple |
| 13:26.27 | cantido | so it works by chance more than anything |
| 13:27.23 | hesco | cantido: so reiserfs would be inappropriate for a /boot ??? |
| 13:27.37 | cantido | hesco: reiserfs shouldnt be used for anything |
| 13:27.45 | gnarface | oh god not that fud again |
| 13:27.52 | cantido | considering its main dev is in prison |
| 13:27.52 | gnarface | hesco: use anything you want on it. it won't matter |
| 13:28.07 | cantido | gnarface: if grub cant read it it will matter |
| 13:28.11 | hesco | funny, I've had others advise that reiserfs ought to be used for everything. |
| 13:28.16 | gnarface | cantido: grub reads it fine |
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| 13:28.30 | cantido | gurb "supports" tons of stuff.. which works 50% of the time |
| 13:28.39 | gnarface | it works 100% of the time don't spread FUD |
| 13:28.50 | gnarface | it works just as well as ext3 and uses less ram |
| 13:28.59 | ali3n0 | maybe is outdated, but he'd go for ext2 on /boot |
| 13:29.05 | gnarface | hesco: just don't use fat32 |
| 13:29.13 | hesco | not a problem there |
| 13:29.24 | cantido | gnarface: why would you use reiser for a new install any how? |
| 13:29.33 | cantido | gnarface: why does ram usage matter for /boot? |
| 13:29.34 | hesco | does the prison sentence have anything to do with the filesystem? |
| 13:29.50 | cantido | gnarface: why not use an FS that has very good support in grub? |
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| 13:29.57 | ragnar76 | Bushmills: now i have looked all over usbmount and i do not find anthing to bind a usb device to a specific mount point. do you know a way around it? |
| 13:30.06 | cantido | hesco: reiser is in the klink and no one else wants to support it |
| 13:30.18 | gnarface | cantido: i haven't had any problems with reiser in grub. i've had plenty of problems with grub though on every single filesystem. |
| 13:30.23 | justin | ragnar76: putting its UUID in /etc/fstab doesn't work? |
| 13:30.38 | cantido | gnarface: you've had problems with ext2 or 3? |
| 13:30.43 | cantido | the defacto FS? |
| 13:30.47 | gnarface | well ext2 takes for fucking ever to fsck |
| 13:31.04 | cantido | gnarface: does that matter for a n hundred meg FS with less than 20 files? |
| 13:31.07 | gnarface | ext3 tends to just lag on systems without a lot of ram |
| 13:31.25 | cantido | gnarface: again, /boot isnt used once the kernel has mounted the real root fs |
| 13:31.32 | ragnar76 | justin: nope |
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| 13:32.12 | justin | ext2 and ext3 take just as long to fsck. ext3 just does not need a full fsck after an unclean shutdown |
| 13:32.23 | cantido | gnarface: /boot should be a "simple" fs for a reason.. so that the bootloader and early userland don't need to be too clever to use it |
| 13:32.42 | DammitJim | something is not right about the bluetooth documentation... I just followed an Ubuntu tutorial and there they talk about installing bluez-compat |
| 13:32.52 | DammitJim | that brought back hidd... what am I missing? |
| 13:32.53 | cantido | justin: how long does 256MB take to fsck> |
| 13:33.01 | DammitJim | I'd be glad to document this properly, but I truly don't understand where I am |
| 13:33.02 | justin | DammitJim: you are using sid |
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| 13:33.34 | justin | cantido: the time a filesytem takes to fsck is not a function of its size but of the amount of metadata |
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| 13:33.53 | cantido | justin: ok, so you have 30 files max in /boot.. how long? |
| 13:33.56 | DammitJim | ok, that's a good start |
| 13:34.05 | DammitJim | I'm using wheezy, which at this stage it's sid |
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| 13:34.24 | justin | cantido: a few seconds, not really noticeable |
| 13:34.38 | DammitJim | I do apologize for some confusion... I was using a laptop that didn't have a bluetooth device |
| 13:34.45 | gnarface | its all a stupid conversation anyway. modern versions of xfs is a superior filesystem in all respects but we're picking them based on prejudices not performance, are we not? |
| 13:34.47 | cantido | a lot less than working out why the hell grub won't load your kernel from some other FS.. |
| 13:34.58 | cantido | gnarface: it doesnt matter for boot does it |
| 13:35.06 | justin | gnarface: doesn't xfs still have serious problems with unclean shutdowns? |
| 13:35.14 | cantido | gnarface: you can have XFS for everything else.. for /boot you should keep it simple |
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| 13:35.27 | jelly | gnarface: we're picking them based on what works well for the specific purpose, and ext3 works well as /boot |
| 13:35.37 | gnarface | they *all* have serious issues with unclean shutdowns in rare corner cases involving combinations of faulty power supplies and faulty harddrives. nothing is perfect. |
| 13:35.53 | justin | ext3 for boot does waste space for the journal though :) |
| 13:36.00 | jelly | it's supported by all versions of grub-legacy and grub 2 |
| 13:36.17 | cantido | justin: ext4 has the issue with sudden power lose too apparently, its from the design |
| 13:36.27 | jelly | justin: I prefer no-fsck to 32MB loss |
| 13:36.54 | cantido | your /boot partition isn't getting written too much.. |
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| 13:37.07 | gnarface | is ext4 the default in squeeze now? |
| 13:37.14 | jelly | cantido: stop kill your own arguments! |
| 13:37.18 | justin | jelly: that is not really how ext3 works |
| 13:37.18 | jelly | 'ing |
| 13:37.25 | cantido | unless you lose power right when a new kernel is being installed you might lose data on /boot.. |
| 13:37.40 | cantido | jelly: ? |
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| 13:38.22 | hesco | ok, my rescue system is now running and I have an lvremove running on the /boot lv |
| 13:38.40 | DammitJim | ok, now to get a2dp working :D |
| 13:38.48 | hesco | though it is certainly taking its sweet time about things. |
| 13:38.53 | gnarface | hesco: if you're unsure, go with ext3. due to its legacy links to ext2 and a whole lot of prejudices its probably going to be generally the best supported choice for some time. |
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| 13:39.15 | cantido | hesco: /boot should be a simple partition, which you can raid1 if you want.. use ext3 for the fs |
| 13:39.20 | hid3 | Hello everyone. My debian box is getting an IP for eth0 interface via DHCP. Is there any way to configure a *static* (I mean, a permament, not a DHCP-offered) IP for those cases, when it is impossible to contact the DHCP server? |
| 13:39.52 | cantido | hesco: grub won't install to unclean md arrays though.. so make sure its fully synced before trying |
| 13:39.56 | gnarface | hesco: if you know what you're doing and care to go a bit off the beaten path though, wikipedia has a great breakdown of theoretical boundaries of the filesystems... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
| 13:40.05 | hesco | how long should it take to remove a logical volume. my lvremove command is still running. |
| 13:40.13 | cantido | gnarface: which doesnt matter for boot ;) |
| 13:40.59 | cantido | you should keep /boot small too, just incase you have a retarded BIOS |
| 13:41.01 | gnarface | cantido: i'll go with my own definition of "matters" thank you |
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| 13:41.22 | jelly | hesco: I've only seen it be finished in a few seconds. |
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| 13:41.33 | gnarface | cantido: lots of people say it doesn't matter that firefox is a huge memory hog... but i still shut it off when i'm gaming |
| 13:41.45 | cantido | yeah, I need a cluster fs for loading 2 files one boot.. |
| 13:41.47 | hesco | my lvremove is still running. This is the only LV on this VG and the only VG on this RAID device |
| 13:42.04 | cantido | gnarface: the kernel should swap it out if your system needs the memory |
| 13:42.12 | cantido | s/one/on/ |
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| 13:42.27 | ragnar76 | brb |
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| 13:42.52 | gnarface | cantido: should and does with many things, but not always and really with some noticeable latency |
| 13:42.55 | justin | hesco: if that is the case, why are you removing it? |
| 13:42.58 | hesco | jelly: it seems inpervious to control-C |
| 13:43.27 | hesco | justin: b/c I have been informed above that grub won't boot from an lvm. |
| 13:43.37 | gnarface | cantido: maybe i'm just less patient than you |
| 13:43.42 | jelly | hesco: and you "lvchange -an"ed it first? |
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| 13:43.54 | justin | correct, you likely need to reinstall with a different partition layout |
| 13:43.55 | hesco | no I did not |
| 13:44.04 | justin | removing the existing logical volumes will not accomplish anything |
| 13:44.10 | jelly | hesco: is is mounted? |
| 13:44.14 | cantido | gnarface: and having a non-ext3 fs for /boot makes things faster? |
| 13:44.15 | jelly | it* |
| 13:44.37 | hesco | mount says it is. |
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| 13:44.45 | jelly | hesco: well there you go. |
| 13:44.48 | justin | though can't grub boot from lvm ? |
| 13:45.05 | hesco | apparently no, at least not as I attempted to configure it |
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| 13:45.08 | justin | http://grub.enbug.org/LVMandRAID |
| 13:45.10 | jelly | hesco: for obvious reasons you won't be able to remove a LV which is still in use |
| 13:45.10 | cantido | justin: I think grub2 to can boot from LVM now.. I wouldn't trust it though |
| 13:45.31 | jelly | hesco: reboot, pastebin the output of "lvs", please |
| 13:45.34 | cantido | grub could boot from XFS for ages too.. I never got that working ;) |
| 13:45.57 | jelly | hesco: which debian release are you using, btw? |
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| 13:46.30 | jelly | hesco: also, which kernel (uname -a or uname -r)? |
| 13:46.51 | frikinz | Anyone know how to speed up udev at boot? "Waiting for /dev to be populated" It adds ~15s to my whole boot (~60s) and that's a problem for my needs. Blacklisting loads of things? |
| 13:46.55 | gnarface | cantido: i dunno it might if you add noatime and notail to the fstab options. you ever tried it? |
| 13:47.18 | cantido | gnarface: does grub update the atime? |
| 13:47.51 | cantido | I doubt it has the ability to actually write anything.. |
| 13:48.00 | hesco | version 6.0.1, 2.6.32.5-amd |
| 13:48.03 | gnarface | cantido: i can't say for sure but the docs i've seen online suggest to set noatime even for ext2 on /boot... |
| 13:48.07 | hesco | version 6.0.1, 2.6.32.5-amd64, perhaps |
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| 13:48.33 | cantido | gnarface: how do mount options matter when the kernel that is going to parse those options has already been loaded.. |
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| 13:49.01 | gnarface | cantido: don't they go into the initramfs somewhere too? |
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| 13:49.16 | cantido | does the kernel load, then parse the fstab sees noatime on boot and then decides to reload itself but faster? |
| 13:49.19 | ragnar76 | hi again |
| 13:49.33 | gnarface | cantido: i dunno dude i just follow directions i see on google written by people who seem smarter than me. how come you disagree with all of them? |
| 13:49.43 | cantido | gnarface: the kernel and initramfs have been loaded already, so it wouldnt matter if there were in the initramfs.. the load has already happened |
| 13:49.58 | tech | anyone have solutions to nfs shares over samba mount? |
| 13:50.08 | cantido | s/there/they/ |
| 13:50.09 | jelly | cantido: you're kidding, right |
| 13:50.20 | cantido | jelly: about what? |
| 13:50.38 | cantido | how would mount options matter then the kernel and initramfs are already loaded.. |
| 13:50.43 | gnarface | can't tell if he's being trolled by an ext3 developer or browbeaten by someone equally as clueless as himself |
| 13:50.50 | cantido | you can't make something thats already happened happen faster |
| 13:50.57 | jelly | cantido: many boot parameters are interpreted by scripts in initramfs and the rest of the init process |
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| 13:51.16 | ragnar76 | justin: now i know again what's wrong when i use the fstab. i get an error "wrong fs type". the partition is ext3 and i added ext3 into fstab |
| 13:51.35 | cantido | jelly: yes, but the initramfs has been loaded from disk by grub.. so why would fs options make it load any faster.. considering its already load.. i.e. in the past |
| 13:51.47 | cantido | s/load/loaded/ |
| 13:52.09 | gnarface | i thought it was hooked from the MBR by some direct address mechanism that didn't require a mount |
| 13:52.10 | jelly | cantido: oh, you were discussing grub. |
| 13:52.17 | cantido | any why would noatime matter when grub doesnt update the atime? |
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| 13:52.33 | gnarface | cantido: the better question is why does everyone tell you to use it? |
| 13:52.44 | cantido | gnarface: noatime on boot? |
| 13:53.02 | jelly | gnarface: it doesn't hurt, but ultimately is doesn't matter, either |
| 13:53.04 | gnarface | noatime for /boot |
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| 13:53.20 | cantido | considering /boot has maybe 3 or 4 files that might have their atime touched it "doesnt really matter" |
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| 13:53.31 | gnarface | http://www.mindraven.com/blog/linux/speed-up-your-ext3-filesystem/ |
| 13:53.40 | tech | flock(27, 0x60 /* LOCK_??? */ |
| 13:53.48 | tech | that is what happens when i strace it. |
| 13:53.51 | jelly | personally I wouldn't care about it -- /boot is seldom used and changed only on kernel updates |
| 13:53.55 | cantido | gnarface: does you /var symlink to a directory in /boot or something? |
| 13:53.58 | tech | someone has HAD to have seem this before... |
| 13:54.39 | gnarface | cantido: http://linuxreviews.org/sysadmin/filesystems/ what's this guy talking about? |
| 13:54.53 | gnarface | he says use ext2 and noatime |
| 13:55.00 | cantido | gnarface: you realise you can umount /boot and nothing will happen right? |
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| 13:55.12 | gnarface | cantido: i don't even use a separate /boot |
| 13:55.22 | BenBE | Someone at hand how to ask Apache in .htaccess to redirect / to /somedir? |
| 13:55.24 | jelly | gnarface: sounds like cargo cult configuration. |
| 13:55.29 | cantido | gnarface: for your / fs noatime might make sense |
| 13:55.35 | gnarface | jelly: cargo cult? |
| 13:56.04 | jelly | gnarface: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult |
| 13:56.08 | spacepluk | hi, If UTC=GMT why "TZ=GMT+2 date" shows two hours less than "date -u"?? |
| 13:56.27 | BenBE | I tried RedirectMatch 301 ^/$ /foo, but this gives /foo/foo/foo/foo/... |
| 13:56.36 | NoNaMeNo | one OT question, is it posible to auth in a WPA2 WLAN totally paswordless? just with a private key ? |
| 13:57.15 | jelly | gnarface: doing something without understanding the purpose and reasoning behind it |
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| 13:57.27 | gnarface | jelly, cantido i just see that everywhere. not just at that linuxreview.org url... noatime+notail is always recommended for / and /boot and anything you wanna speed up |
| 13:57.28 | BenBE | NoNaMeNo With blank WPA2 (PSK) No, but with WPA2 Enterprise using PEAP/TTLS. |
| 13:57.34 | jelly | see also: hysterical raisins |
| 13:58.03 | cantido | gnarface: for /boot it makes zero sense or difference |
| 13:58.15 | ragnar76 | BenBE: this is an apache question in general but here's my htaccess http://pastebin.com/5MksxWkC |
| 13:58.25 | jelly | gnarface: in case of "notail", it's not there just for speeding up, but to make older grubs compatible with the fs that has that option (reiserfs) |
| 13:58.33 | ragnar76 | BenBE: it redirects to ssl, maybe you can use it |
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| 13:58.49 | gnarface | aah |
| 13:58.50 | jelly | gnarface: both old grubs and the fs in question are quite obsolete by now. |
| 13:59.00 | NoNaMeNo | also, I read debian's freeradius package used to come without tls support until debian 6.0, does the current package from lenny have tls support now? |
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| 14:00.32 | cantido | gnarface: going back to the original argument "why use ext3", grub isn't to be that clever.. certain fs options might be needed for grub to turn off "clever stuff" |
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| 14:00.57 | cantido | gnarface: so that the FS doesnt do stuff that grubs less capable handler doesnt understand |
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| 14:01.32 | cantido | s/to be/meant to be/ |
| 14:02.03 | gnarface | that wasn't my impression at all. my impression was that grub was designed to replace lilo explicitly because lilo wasn't very clever |
| 14:02.11 | gnarface | not that lilo ever failed me |
| 14:02.19 | gnarface | if it was the default i'd still use it |
| 14:02.26 | gnarface | sometimes i still have to |
| 14:02.26 | cantido | gnarface: lilo is very stupid or very clever depending on how you look at it |
| 14:02.50 | deathzor | typical of opensource we have 2 boot loaders and not a single flash player that works good in fullscreen ... |
| 14:03.13 | cantido | it codes a list of blocks in so that it can find the kernel/initramfs.. which means it works for a lot of things that grub's more refined "access the fs" system doesnt work |
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| 14:03.22 | DammitJim | do you guys know of a good webmail software package? |
| 14:03.22 | cantido | but lilo is also very easy to break |
| 14:03.38 | DammitJim | I normally run exim4 and alpine :) |
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| 14:03.42 | petemc | NoNaMeNo: im using freeradius with tls, works great |
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| 14:04.17 | petemc | NoNaMeNo: and you're correct, its not longer necessary to recompile |
| 14:04.32 | ragnar76 | DammitJim: i use SquirrelMail |
| 14:04.34 | cantido | gnarface: lilo also doesn't have the ability to load kernels it doesnt know about |
| 14:04.45 | DammitJim | ragnar76, was it hard to set up? |
| 14:04.49 | katsrc | what are the options to zip with out compression? |
| 14:04.54 | DammitJim | what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:05.00 | justin | katsrc: don't you mean tar? |
| 14:05.12 | katsrc | justin: tar does .zip? |
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| 14:05.22 | justin | why do you want a .zip file? |
| 14:05.28 | gnarface | cantido: yet grub can load *modules* inline in its boot scripts... its got a built in terminal you can use to mount and browse filesystems with... yet you're telling me it still doesn't handle non-ext3 filesystems well? |
| 14:05.42 | katsrc | justin: i cohesiveness |
| 14:05.49 | justin | katsrc: did you try zip -h? |
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| 14:06.07 | ragnar76 | DammitJim: not really. works out of the box for me. i use wheezy |
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| 14:06.20 | gnarface | cantido: my naive experience has led me to the assumption that grub doesn't even need to support filesystems, it uses the same mechanism that the kernel does - the kernel module |
| 14:06.23 | cantido | gnarface: it apparently "supports" all sorts of stuff now.. but "supports" and "works all the time" arent the same thing for grub |
| 14:06.50 | justin | gnarface: no, grub has its own filesystem implementations |
| 14:06.52 | DammitJim | this might be contradicting, but is it possible to have an email package like squirrelmail and alpine together and be able to read email on both? |
| 14:06.56 | cantido | gnarface: grub modules and kernel modules are different |
| 14:07.11 | cantido | modular code isn't some amazing linux magic |
| 14:07.13 | gnarface | cantido: news to me |
| 14:07.20 | katsrc | justin: what other methods are there to zip? |
| 14:07.28 | justin | katsrc: tar |
| 14:07.30 | cantido | gnarface: your grub modules are in /boot .. not in /lib/modules/ |
| 14:08.12 | ali3n0 | DammitJim, I don't know about alpine but basically squirrelmail is just a webapp imap client so yes you can have more clients on top of imap |
| 14:08.12 | gnarface | cantido: hundreds of debian installs on all kinds of new and old hardware later, and i've never once seen grub choke on any filesystem the current kernel supports. i *have* seen grub start booting a kernel then watch the KERNEL choke to hell on all kinds of weird shit though... especially lately with older hardware |
| 14:08.17 | ragnar76 | DammitJim: as long as the use /var/spool/mail/$USER , you can use as much emailers as you like |
| 14:08.32 | NoNaMeNo | petemc: in lenny? I haven't upgraded yet |
| 14:08.43 | cantido | gnarface: mounting the rootfs once the kernel has start is up to the early userland |
| 14:08.53 | DammitJim | sweet! last question... the fact that it uses imap... does it mean it also uses the same addressbook? |
| 14:08.53 | cantido | s/start/started/ |
| 14:08.57 | petemc | NoNaMeNo: no, squeeze |
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| 14:09.10 | katsrc | justin: thanks |
| 14:09.12 | petemc | NoNaMeNo: its not particularly hard to recompile the packages |
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| 14:09.19 | NoNaMeNo | ok |
| 14:09.21 | NoNaMeNo | thanks |
| 14:09.45 | cantido | gnarface: sometimes the initramfs tools will generate something that doesnt work. Thats when you dust off your d-i CD |
| 14:10.35 | gnarface | cantido: wasn't talking about filesystems in that statement... i was talking about actual hardware incompatibilities/kernel bugs. like this old netvista box i had to add "no-hlt" to the kernel command line so it would complete booting instead of freezing on the processor instruction checks |
| 14:11.28 | gnarface | cantido: and in that case the debian installer and the livecd both (and knoppix for that matter) wouldn't even work without IO locking immediately (probably for the same reason) |
| 14:12.13 | gnarface | so i pulled the harddrive, installed debian in a chroot - it got reiserfs by default just because thats what the host system was. |
| 14:12.32 | cantido | gnarface: there's plently of buggy hardware out there.. there are some shit drivers in the kernel top |
| 14:12.37 | cantido | too |
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| 14:13.12 | gnarface | cantido: it was a P3 |
| 14:13.34 | cantido | one of my non-x86 machines can't boot anything newer than 2.6.35 because someone decided to push loads of changes that they haven't tested.. and they haven't fixed it. |
| 14:14.07 | crypted | upgraded squeeze apache, it wont start now and gives no error.log information. |
| 14:14.27 | crypted | any thoughts on possible issues? |
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| 14:15.14 | simonrvn | sounds like one of mine. someone decided to break a scsi card driver, and i boot it to a newer kernel the hdds sitting on it "decide" they have hardware errors and don't even work. |
| 14:15.28 | simonrvn | and if i* |
| 14:15.40 | crypted | fun times |
| 14:15.50 | Cryp71c | gahahahh! Silly software raid configuration STILL won't boot properly. |
| 14:16.17 | ali3n0 | DammitJim, afaik there's no address-book concept in IMAP protocol, so every client has his own book |
| 14:16.24 | Cryp71c | Lets start this all over again, debian, someone..please give me some help, here's the process I go through. |
| 14:16.25 | DammitJim | dammit |
| 14:16.26 | DammitJim | ok, thanks |
| 14:16.32 | simonrvn | no such creature with imap. |
| 14:16.41 | cantido | simonrvn: and if you bring it up on the right list you get zero feedback right? |
| 14:16.51 | simonrvn | kolab's abook is on top of imap. |
| 14:17.01 | ali3n0 | Cryp71c, what's up? |
| 14:17.07 | simonrvn | cantido: yup. i don't even bother any more. |
| 14:17.08 | DammitJim | ragnar76, what do you use for smtp? |
| 14:17.34 | ragnar76 | DammitJim: gmail |
| 14:17.44 | DammitJim | oh? |
| 14:17.50 | DammitJim | ok, this is new to me... can you please explain? |
| 14:18.00 | Krobar | Anyone tried VT-D with a PV domu on Squeeze? |
| 14:18.04 | simonrvn | "here, have this, no guarantee it works, let your distro fix it, and we'll be unhelpful to *them*, too" |
| 14:18.13 | cantido | I quite surprised sometimes though.. you see in the comments for drivers something like "I don't have the hardware, so I've never tested this" but it does work.. |
| 14:18.20 | Cryp71c | Debian install, normal stuff up until partition setup. I format all of each of the two disks I have (sda and sdb) into 1 partition (so no swap, this is just so I can actually get this working), each is set to be "used as physical raid volume" with the bootable flag set on. Then I go to the software raid configuration there, create an MD device, Raid 1, select those 2 partitions I've made (sda1 and sdb1), create the raid, then |
| 14:18.20 | Cryp71c | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.24 | Cryp71c | ali3n0: ^ |
| 14:18.57 | Cryp71c | The rest of the install goes fine, I reboot, grub loads fine, I select the install and get an "Alert! /dev/md0 does not exist" and then it drops me into a shell. |
| 14:18.58 | ali3n0 | Cryp71c, yep looks fine to me |
| 14:19.20 | ali3n0 | mmm, weird |
| 14:19.23 | simonrvn | cantido: i've been thinking of moving that box to netbsd or something. at least there it can boot from cd. |
| 14:19.25 | Cryp71c | I went through all of this yesterday and even tried to rebuild the initfm thingy |
| 14:19.30 | justin | Cryp71c: still? |
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| 14:19.44 | Cryp71c | justin: yep, except this time I cut out the swap raid, thinking a simpler approach might actually work. |
| 14:19.45 | simonrvn | or debian's bsd |
| 14:19.45 | Cryp71c | I was wrong. |
| 14:20.13 | cantido | simonrvn: I did that with this machine.. at least with openbsd I don't have to manually reset the root disk with a switch on the power at boot .. but it was slow as hell |
| 14:20.21 | simonrvn | though it's only x86 iirc, so it'd be pretty useless to that machine... ;) |
| 14:20.37 | Cryp71c | ali3n0: on a related note, I can use intsall media, boot into a rescue mode. When it asks what disk I want to mount as "/" I can "build a raid volume" pick the two partitions that are in the raid1 and get into the rescue env with my raid configuration without any trouble. |
| 14:20.57 | Cryp71c | I just can't actually boot into it normally. |
| 14:21.10 | justin | Cryp71c: you're installing squeeze right? |
| 14:21.13 | simonrvn | cantido: fun |
| 14:21.16 | ali3n0 | Cryp71c, kernel is default? |
| 14:21.23 | cantido | I sense netbsd has lots of archs which are one man affairs and openbsd sometimes imports them and turns them into 0.1 man affairs |
| 14:21.33 | ali3n0 | I might have thought to a custom kernel with no raid support but it's not your case |
| 14:21.37 | Cryp71c | justin: 6.01 amd64 |
| 14:22.06 | simonrvn | cantido: netbsd has some supported some arches just as long or in some cases longer than debian has |
| 14:22.25 | Cryp71c | ali3n0: there were two kernel selections, one that was shorter, one with something like ".35.4" on the end of it. I chose the one that had the .35.4 (or whatever it was). |
| 14:22.32 | ali3n0 | Cryp71c, I can't think about anything related sorry |
| 14:22.35 | cantido | simonrvn: yeah, I'm just not sure on the quality. I get the feeling that supported means "well it boots" in netbsd |
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| 14:22.53 | justin | Cryp71c: did you fix it so you can type at the busybox prompt? |
| 14:23.05 | simonrvn | cantido: i couldn't say one way or the other about that either |
| 14:23.21 | ali3n0 | Cryp71c, if you're not yet frustrated enough you can try a quick install with no raid... are you 100% sure about disks health? |
| 14:23.25 | Cryp71c | justin: nope, never did get that working. This server has a PS2 port, but we don't have any PS2 keyboards :P |
| 14:23.37 | ragnar76 | DammitJim: i have a very special mail config here. on my "mailserver" i get mails via fetchmail and sending them via an smtp proxy to google. i would not recomand this to others |
| 14:23.53 | Cryp71c | ali3n0: no, not entirely, new (refurbished) servers, though the SCSI controller hasn't reported any disk issues. |
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| 14:24.24 | cantido | wishes the kernel code wasn't such a nightmare of stuff that only 2 people can understand and have never bothered to document.. |
| 14:24.26 | Cryp71c | ali3n0: but short of a massive disk failure, I would imagine I would get into the OS and just not be able to do much, if there were issues with the disk. |
| 14:24.35 | simonrvn | no kidding |
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| 14:24.51 | ali3n0 | Cryp71c, could be just a damaged sector... well you're right it doesn't make any sense |
| 14:25.00 | justin | Cryp71c: it does just look like a problem with the initrd |
| 14:25.04 | cantido | I'd love to fix my own platform.. but by the time I got my head around the code they would have switched it all again ;) |
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| 14:25.31 | ali3n0 | justin, yep I agree but if he's using debian installer I think some else should have seen that bug before |
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| 14:25.47 | justin | ali3n0: that's what I thought too |
| 14:25.53 | ali3n0 | ah Cryp71c you're trying wheezy right? |
| 14:25.56 | Cryp71c | I'm just going to do a single disk install and setup the raid manually later. |
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| 14:26.00 | Cryp71c | ali3n0: 6.01 |
| 14:26.03 | Cryp71c | not sure the designation. |
| 14:26.11 | ali3n0 | 6.0.1 is stable |
| 14:26.35 | justin | only thing I can thik of is your disks are taking too long to settle on bootup, so the raid assembly is failing |
| 14:26.35 | ali3n0 | Cryp71c, definitely it's not a known bug |
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| 14:26.59 | DammitJim | ok, I won't mess with that then, ragnar76 |
| 14:27.05 | ali3n0 | Cryp71c, wait, can you just remove sda and try to boot without? |
| 14:27.22 | dkr | I seem to have a 2.4Ghz processor (based on cpu model number and theoretically identical machine in same cluster), but /proc/cpuinfo shows it as 1500Mhz. I can't modprobe the cpufreq kernel modules because it seems that cpu freq scaling is not enabled |
| 14:27.38 | ali3n0 | with raid1 you should be able to boot with just one disk so you can try that test, it's quick enough |
| 14:28.03 | dkr | could this be some kind of bios underclocking? I guess I will have to boot intot he bios to see, but was trying to deduce the situationw ithout that |
| 14:28.11 | ali3n0 | Cryp71c, if one disk is the cause you should get different results (one boots and the other don't) |
| 14:28.29 | gnarface | dkr: what does "lsmod |grep cpu" output? |
| 14:28.42 | dkr | is /proc/cpuinfo even updated if the bios does any frequency scaling/power saving stuff? |
| 14:29.12 | gnarface | dkr: yes cpuinfo will be current |
| 14:29.24 | dkr | gnarface: nothing now. i was able to modprobe cpufreq_stats, but not the more critical acpi-cpufreq or powernow-k8 |
| 14:29.25 | cantido | dkr: there is a tool.. x86info IIRC that can give you detailed info about your chip |
| 14:29.36 | dkr | cantido: neat, I'll check it out |
| 14:29.39 | gnarface | dkr: yes it could be your bios |
| 14:30.12 | gnarface | dkr what does this output? "cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor" |
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| 14:32.49 | gnarface | dkr: if you just want max power you can either 1) turn cpu scaling off in your bios or 2) overwrite your scaling_governor files (one for each core) with the value 'performance' and it will lock them into max (until next boot) i'm not sure how to make performance the default kernel scaling governor without recompiling, but it should be possible... |
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| 14:37.17 | dkr | I have no cpufreq dir in that path. I'm not really concerned with overclocking. this is part of a high-availability cluster (using linux-ha) which actually has pretty low resource usage. |
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| 14:37.57 | gnarface | dkr: is this a stock kernel? what debian version? its kinda weird that powernow-k8 is not loading by default |
| 14:38.02 | dkr | my co-worker just ntoiced the discrpency in mhz in /proc/cpuinfo so we were trying to figure out why |
| 14:38.08 | cantido | dkr: fiddle with your bios, it might be that its doing something |
| 14:38.26 | gnarface | dkr: oh nevermind... it does not load by default... but it IS weird that you can't load it. i have it in my /etc/modules |
| 14:38.29 | cantido | dkr: I had a laptop that would always throttle down if the cpufreq stuff wasnt working |
| 14:38.32 | dkr | lenny with a backported kernel |
| 14:38.46 | dkr | 2.6.30-bpo.2-amd64 |
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| 14:39.08 | gnarface | dkr: yea its pretty common for athlon boards to come factory default underclocked |
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| 14:39.47 | gnarface | dkr: if you max the current cpu speed it will slowly step it up, but you probably just want to go into the bios and set it to max |
| 14:39.48 | dkr | it's an hp DL365G5 |
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| 14:40.28 | gnarface | dkr: look for powernow or quiet&cool or something like that. disable or set to 'performance' (it'll be set on powersave or something like that) |
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| 14:41.11 | dkr | will do. thanks for the input |
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| 14:46.50 | gnarface | dkr: also look for something called q-fan control (? i think) depending on the board you may have one or more of these things and they may be semi-linked |
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| 14:50.27 | karlpinc | WTF. I just changed my iceweasel preferences to allow cookies and now I can't change it back. |
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| 14:54.04 | gnarface | karlpinc: that's an odd one. maybe clear all your cookies and reload iceweasel and make sure that about: is the only page you load before you try to turn them off again? |
| 14:54.14 | pipeline | cantido: the kernel is highly modular, so while only two people may be intimately familiar with a given subsystem, the overall structure is understood by thousands of people |
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| 14:54.38 | pipeline | cantido: also there are a number of books about the kernel and its development process, because obviously you have to understand some of that stuff to extend it :) |
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| 14:55.26 | E-bola | Can anybody tell me how i can make bind9 log to a different file than /var/log/daemon? I'm on Debian squeeze |
| 14:56.52 | karlpinc | gnarface: That's crazy. I'm going to install some sort of cookie managment extension because firefox seems to have decided to make their interface non-idempotent. (sp?) Anyone with any clue as to a good cookie plugin? (perhaps cookie monster?) |
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| 14:57.39 | karlpinc | E-bola: man rsyslogd Change /etc/rsyslogd.conf, or perhaps one of it's sub-configuration files -- I think there's a directory. |
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| 14:57.46 | gnarface | karlpinc: there's no "show cookies" button in your edit->preferences popup's privacy tab? |
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| 14:58.27 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: btw cpufrewd and cpufrequtils are seperate packages, not part of the kernel. |
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| 14:58.51 | E-bola | karlpinc: I cant figure out how |
| 14:59.04 | karlpinc | E-bola: However, the there are a limited number of facilities and I think bind just uses 'daemon' so I there may not be a way to separate bind from the other daemons... I've not thought about it. (I usually just use grep to get the lines I want.) |
| 14:59.13 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: ah, thanks for reminding me... but mine works. its dkr that needs to know |
| 14:59.18 | karlpinc | E-bola: Perhaps if you told us what you don't understand we could explain. |
| 14:59.30 | E-bola | karlpinc: What to add/edit in syslog.conf |
| 14:59.54 | E-bola | I just need to either not log to syslog with bind and just let bind log manualy to a dedicated logfile, or have syslog dump binds activity in tis own file |
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| 15:00.18 | karlpinc | gnarface: No. There's a "link" to "clear individual cookies" so I can delete them one by one. But there's no longer any checkbox that allows me to reject cookies. |
| 15:00.23 | E-bola | karlpinc: makes sense if u cant speerate bind from "daemon" since that's where it ends up now |
| 15:00.48 | karlpinc | E-bola: Perhaps not if you're using the syslog facility. |
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| 15:01.13 | E-bola | karlpinc: syslog is default in squeeze? |
| 15:01.16 | karlpinc | E-bola: If you want to try to get bind to log elsewhere install the bind9-doc (iirc) package and read the ARM guide that it puts in /usr/share/doc/.... |
| 15:01.38 | gnarface | E-bola: i think if you read up on syslog i think there's a way to add a new flag in addition to the standard ones (one dedicated to bind9 for your case) and then give it its own log file... but i have never tried it |
| 15:01.38 | karlpinc | E-bola: rsyslogd -- which is a syslog daemon, yes. |
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| 15:01.59 | karlpinc | E-bola: rsyslogd is more powerful than syslogd, and as gnarface says may do what you want. |
| 15:02.04 | E-bola | gnarface: Im sure your right, it's a little bit much for what I want to do though |
| 15:02.19 | karlpinc | E-bola: But I am not going to read the manual for you and tell you what to type. |
| 15:02.20 | E-bola | Making bind stop logging to syslog and setup its own logging is probably easier |
| 15:02.34 | E-bola | karlpinc: I never asked you, i asked if anybody knew. You dont know |
| 15:03.26 | karlpinc | E-bola: It might be eaiser now, or not, but the next time you have to change the logging you'll have to do it over again with a different daemon. |
| 15:04.03 | gnarface | E-bola: you might find that the hard part is just reading the docs... after that it may become far easier and the knowledge may benefit you in the future |
| 15:04.03 | E-bola | karlpinc: Agreed, but my goal is not to learn how to change syslog, but to get bind to somewhere else |
| 15:04.16 | karlpinc | gnarface: So, no. Once you start accepting cookies you seem to be stuck. I'm sure there's an about: interface, but that sucks. |
| 15:04.31 | E-bola | gnarface: More like the time consuming part :) |
| 15:04.34 | gnarface | karlpinc: which version of iceweasel did you say that was? |
| 15:04.51 | karlpinc | gnarface: Whatever's stock in squeeze. |
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| 15:05.22 | gnarface | hmm. i'm using sid and i've got one... maybe you should just try to get the backported iceweasel? |
| 15:05.32 | E-bola | karlpinc / gnarface: http://wiki.debian.org/Bind9 would ahve been the direction to point me in :) |
| 15:05.34 | karlpinc | E-bola: Do you know how to use your pager (less) to search? If so you should be able to find what you want easily. |
| 15:06.28 | karlpinc | gnarface: Do you check the checkbox and turn global cookie acceptance off and on? |
| 15:07.11 | E-bola | karlpinc: I dont think anybody ever claimed man pages was very userfriendly. The link i pasted is far superior for easy access |
| 15:07.19 | DammitJim | ragnar76, did you just install squirrelmail from the repos? |
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| 15:07.49 | karlpinc | E-bola: But may be wrong. Some of the wiki pages are wack. |
| 15:07.52 | ragnar76 | DammitJim: yes |
| 15:08.12 | gnarface | karlpinc: its got a few options. it also has a window that shows all the cookies, listed by domain (searchable, with their values) and that window has a button that says "remove all cookies" you can also selectively only accept cookies from certain domains |
| 15:08.17 | E-bola | karlpinc: agreed, they may not be up2date etc, but often much easier to find what ur looking for |
| 15:08.33 | karlpinc | E-bola: You could read the docs at isc.org but, again, changing bind is really the wrong appoach. |
| 15:09.22 | karlpinc | gnarface: What happens if you check the checkbox and accept cookies from everywhere and close the config dialog? When you open it again do you get the choice to reject cookies? |
| 15:09.48 | gnarface | karlpinc: as far as i can tell... |
| 15:09.56 | karlpinc | gnarface: I just tried restarting iceweasel and no joy. |
| 15:10.21 | gnarface | , versions iceweasel |
| 15:10.22 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-5~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-5; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-6; sid: 3.5.17-1; wheezy: 3.5.17-1; experimental: 4.0~rc2-2 |
| 15:10.29 | karlpinc | gnarface: A cookie manager is probably the right choice. I've just been lazy. I do allow a few sites to use cookies (like the debian wiki and wikipedia.) |
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| 15:10.59 | gnarface | karlpinc: all i'm saying is that its weird you don't have one... cause i do and those versions don't look terribly far apart |
| 15:11.10 | karlpinc | gnarface: I find it very wierd. |
| 15:11.11 | gnarface | seems weird to need a 3rd party cookie plugin |
| 15:11.13 | project2501a | hey guys |
| 15:11.18 | gnarface | but i know there are some out there |
| 15:11.26 | project2501a | ow do i see the total size of an ftp directory? |
| 15:11.33 | project2501a | maybe i could ask google. |
| 15:12.08 | karlpinc | gnarface: It just says "Iceweasel will ... keep cookies from every site you visit." in the space where the checkboxes used to be. (!) |
| 15:12.11 | gnarface | project2501a: you mean if you're logged into the host system's shell? or you mean if you're logged into the ftp server itself? for the latter i would assume its client-specific |
| 15:12.37 | project2501a | i mean, i am logged to the ftp server and yeah, that's why i asked, it looks very client specific and i only got 3TB space left |
| 15:12.43 | project2501a | and this... this looks big |
| 15:13.00 | paq7512 | does this look right for auto mounting - /dev/sdb1 /media/Beta auto rw,paq,auto 0 0 |
| 15:13.03 | gnarface | karlpinc: oh my |
| 15:13.41 | karlpinc | project2501a: du -sh . When your cwd is the ftp directory. |
| 15:14.11 | project2501a | karlpinc: i am not logged into the shell, and i doupt i can QUOTE that to the ftp server |
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| 15:20.53 | cHarNe2 | hi guys, i dont usally use debain. but is there somethink similar to the '/sbin/ip' command in redhat? |
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| 15:21.35 | petemc | cHarNe2: you should have /sbin/ip from the iproute package |
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| 15:22.25 | cHarNe2 | petemc: /sbin/ip does not exist on my debian-system |
| 15:22.32 | petemc | install iproute then |
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| 15:25.38 | cHarNe2 | my server wont connect to archive.debian.org :S |
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| 15:26.11 | Hydroxide | in old enough versions of debian it might be iproute2, also. either way, if you can't install it... sorry :) |
| 15:26.38 | Hydroxide | cHarNe2: however, ifconfig and route and all the older tools will probably let you fix networking enough to connect to the server :) |
| 15:27.06 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:27.24 | Hydroxide | gnarface: no |
| 15:27.38 | Hydroxide | gnarface: well, it's a symlink to /bin/ip |
| 15:27.53 | Hydroxide | gnarface: at least on debian sid. but I don't think that's what you meant :) |
| 15:28.03 | Hydroxide | (I guess it got moved to /bin in a backwards-compatible way) |
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| 15:28.58 | cHarNe2 | but i should be able to use /sbin/route to add an other route? |
| 15:29.03 | Hydroxide | yes |
| 15:29.09 | cHarNe2 | just difrent syntax? |
| 15:29.15 | Hydroxide | correct. it's the way things were done before the ip command was invented :) |
| 15:29.24 | Hydroxide | (even on red hat) |
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| 15:30.12 | Hydroxide | and lots of sysadmins haven't properly wrapped their minds around /sbin/ip yet. I've only done so partially myself |
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| 15:30.31 | gnarface | cHarNe2: which version of debian did you say that was? apt-file is showing it in iproute for me. you should try doing an apt-get update && apt-get install iproute |
| 15:30.33 | DimmuR | is there simple way to check what type of ram i have installed in computer with debian? (ddr2/ddr3 etc) ? |
| 15:30.40 | frikinz | project2501a: I don't think this is specified in the ftp standard. Even file size is not mandatory. |
| 15:30.55 | Hydroxide | gnarface: if he (1) can't connect to (2) archive.debian.org, that won't help :) |
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| 15:31.05 | cHarNe2 | using debian 3.1 i think (?) |
| 15:31.07 | gnarface | oh, right |
| 15:31.09 | gnarface | 3.1!? |
| 15:31.12 | gnarface | oh my |
| 15:31.19 | gnarface | what is that... sarge? |
| 15:31.24 | cHarNe2 | i have no idea |
| 15:31.26 | Hydroxide | right |
| 15:31.46 | Hydroxide | cHarNe2: you should consider upgrading as soon as you finish fixing your networking, or as soon as you can find the time to do it carefully. |
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| 15:32.10 | Hydroxide | cHarNe2: you should be able to do it without a reinstall if you go from sarge to etch, then etch to lenny, and lenny to squeeze, each time following the release notes for the release you're upgrading to. |
| 15:32.44 | cHarNe2 | the thing is, the software that runs on the server won't work with newer debian |
| 15:32.45 | Hydroxide | cHarNe2: also, lenny is still receiving security fixes and other critical fixes until next february, so that one is less urgent than the previous two upgrades |
| 15:32.48 | Hydroxide | cHarNe2: aah |
| 15:32.59 | cHarNe2 | so it's not ut to me.. |
| 15:33.06 | cHarNe2 | s/ut/up/ |
| 15:33.30 | gnarface | maybe using route add is the better plan then |
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| 15:33.47 | Hydroxide | cHarNe2: keep in mind that both sarge and etch are unsupported. we can try to give advice such as we are doing now, and the advice I just gave should work for your connectivity problem, but nobody is fixing security problems in those versions anymore, and sometimes the answer to a problem you have might be "you need a newer version" |
| 15:34.04 | Leoneof | hey, what's up with http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1/i386/bt-dvd/ |
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| 15:34.16 | Leoneof | it says "Not Found" |
| 15:34.19 | Hydroxide | cHarNe2: so, just hope that you are lucky enough to avoid any such problems before you can migrate to newer software :) |
| 15:34.46 | justin | Leoneof: everything is in 6.0.1a |
| 15:34.47 | Hydroxide | Leoneof: try replacing 6.0.1 with 6.0.1a ... they were reissued |
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| 15:34.58 | Hydroxide | just happened pretty today-ish :) |
| 15:35.00 | Leoneof | oh, new version? |
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| 15:35.18 | cHarNe2 | what is the newset version of debian then? |
| 15:35.27 | justin | 6.0.1 |
| 15:35.28 | Hydroxide | Leoneof: I'm not sure what the change is. the 'a' suggests that there was a problem with the first CDs |
| 15:35.40 | Leoneof | oh i see, thanks |
| 15:35.49 | cHarNe2 | ohh guess mine is a bit old then :P |
| 15:35.55 | gnarface | had a problem with the first cds |
| 15:35.55 | Hydroxide | Leoneof: I'm sure an announcement will be sent out if it hasn't been already |
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| 15:36.04 | Hydroxide | also on the web page, etc |
| 15:36.17 | Hydroxide | Leoneof: in fact: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/ has a README explaining the fixes |
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| 15:36.43 | Hydroxide | it is indeed solely CD-related fixes, not substantive changes in debian |
| 15:37.16 | Leoneof | great, thanks. |
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| 15:37.35 | Hydroxide | np. |
| 15:37.54 | flourish | hi, quick question. How can i get a list of all programs, less than 50k in size, in the repository. |
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| 15:38.12 | justin | Cryp71c: I wonder if you had one of the bad 6.0.1 cds that installs wheezy instead of squeeze |
| 15:38.16 | alami | hello, i plan to reinstall a server, and my question is, can i backup packages config and only passt it after the new install? |
| 15:38.24 | Hydroxide | cHarNe2: indeed :) we released it in early June 2005 |
| 15:38.57 | cHarNe2 | Hydroxide: ye.. Security updates have been discontinued as of the end of March 2008. |
| 15:39.00 | cHarNe2 | :P |
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| 15:39.23 | Hydroxide | ya. I'm pleased (not surprised) that it still runs, but now you see why I'm encouraging an upgrade :) probably something to discuss and plan out with the rest of your team |
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| 15:39.42 | cHarNe2 | Hydroxide: yep |
| 15:39.44 | Cryp71c | justin: well, I installed it without the raid, how can I tell the version? |
| 15:39.59 | Perdignus | Hello - I changed my sources.list to "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free" but an "apt-get dist-upgrade" doesn't seem to be upgrading me to Wheezy, am I doing something wrong? |
| 15:40.00 | Hydroxide | as I said, an upgrade should work across as many releases as you want, though don't skip any releases and follow each release notes' upgrade instructions. (or reinstall if you prefer) |
| 15:40.00 | cHarNe2 | i use archlinux at home.. dont like versions :P |
| 15:40.01 | justin | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:40.12 | justin | or lsb-release -a |
| 15:40.44 | Hydroxide | cHarNe2: for home use, that makes sense. for server use, having a known and predictable version is great :-) also, debian is working on a "Constantly Usable Testing" project which might eventually meet your home needs too |
| 15:40.53 | project2501a | frikinz: yeah, i know. hence my question. i got to download some gene databases and they look big.... |
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| 15:41.16 | Cryp71c | justin: 6.0.1 |
| 15:41.39 | cHarNe2 | Hydroxide: sweet, but there is to much magic in debian for me to use ;) |
| 15:41.56 | alami | is that possible? |
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| 15:42.17 | justin | alami: yes |
| 15:42.39 | alami | ok thanks justin |
| 15:42.41 | Hydroxide | cHarNe2: depends on how much you want to handle by hand, indeed. I like Debian's balance of doing a lot for you, but only when it has a sane default that's more rock-solid than lots of distros would, and always allowing you to override things as needed in flexible ways |
| 15:42.58 | justin | alami: debconf-get-selections gets the settings |
| 15:43.18 | justin | alami: dpkg --get-selections gets package selections |
| 15:43.27 | Hydroxide | cHarNe2: http://foolcontrol.org/?p=1245 is a recent blog post summarizing Constantly Usable Testing and providing some links for more info, if you're curious. it still doesn't affect debian's level of magic vs manual stuff though. |
| 15:43.31 | justin | alami: you can feed these into a new system to get most things back |
| 15:43.35 | cHarNe2 | Hydroxide: i like learing all parts og linux thats mostly why |
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| 15:43.54 | justin | debian deoesn't prevent you from learning how linux works |
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| 15:43.59 | justin | it just doesn't waste your time |
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| 15:44.07 | alami | justin: can i only copy for exemple squid.conf and paste in the new system |
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| 15:44.08 | Hydroxide | cHarNe2: agreed. that's one reason I use debian versus ubuntu myself. |
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| 15:44.18 | justin | alami: you can do whatever you want |
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| 15:44.29 | witchdoc | hi all |
| 15:44.43 | alami | justin: all work?what's your recomandation? |
| 15:44.49 | cHarNe2 | Hydroxide: ubuntu is just getting more and more wierd :P |
| 15:45.00 | Hydroxide | cHarNe2: I don't disagree... :-) |
| 15:45.30 | Nejc | Hello. If someone would help me, I would really apreciate it. I am still running Debian 4.0 Etch and I would like to update to PHP to 5.2.12.. I have problem setting up reposirotires in the debian.list file. I don't know how to input repositories, because they are already in the harchives.dotdeb.org. Thanks |
| 15:46.15 | frikinz | project2501a: but there's compression available if that helps |
| 15:46.28 | cHarNe2 | Hydroxide: well the route command worked just fine it seems :) |
| 15:46.31 | cHarNe2 | ty guys |
| 15:46.35 | Hydroxide | cHarNe2: good :) enjoy |
| 15:47.06 | justin | alami: can not make recommendation. not enough knowledge about specific problem you are trying to solve |
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| 15:47.56 | alami | justin: i want to only to save iptables configuration and rules and squid, that's all |
| 15:48.05 | justin | alami: ok, so save them. |
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| 15:50.41 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: http://pastebin.com/EPnA0Y44 |
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| 15:51.03 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Sorry, please disregard (wrong server). |
| 15:51.46 | gnarface | i'm not even interested in looking |
| 15:52.17 | gnarface | what i am interested in is what other server someone has stolen my name on |
| 15:52.40 | jhutchins_lt | oftc, and it's tab completion's fault, the other user does not have your nic. |
| 15:52.47 | gnarface | aah |
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| 15:52.48 | factorx | where/how do u guys backup your luks keyfiles/pgp keys/etc? |
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| 15:55.22 | gnarface | i memorize them |
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| 15:56.18 | factorx | gnarface: 4096 byte long keyfiles? I srsly doubt it ;) |
| 15:56.27 | project2501a | factorx: in the cellar, turning the light off, behind a filing cabinet, and a locked door with a sign saying "beware of the leopard" |
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| 15:57.13 | geekie | gnarface: wow, you're cool <3 |
| 15:57.37 | factorx | any serious answers please? |
| 15:57.38 | project2501a | my name is emanuel goldstein |
| 15:57.45 | project2501a | HACK THE PLANET |
| 15:58.17 | project2501a | factorx: a serious answer is, depends, what are you going to use the keys for? |
| 15:58.20 | project2501a | is it personal? |
| 15:58.27 | project2501a | is it for work? |
| 15:58.32 | factorx | it's personal |
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| 15:58.49 | project2501a | buy a really good quality 512mb flash drive |
| 15:58.52 | project2501a | it should do the job |
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| 15:59.04 | gnarface | encrypt it |
| 15:59.05 | project2501a | burn a dvd |
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| 15:59.25 | gnarface | keep one copy on you at all times and another in a safe |
| 15:59.36 | gnarface | or a bank deposit box |
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| 15:59.52 | project2501a | next to a high-quality dvd |
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| 16:00.01 | project2501a | just in case it gets erazed. |
| 16:00.11 | geekie | Also, print it incase of power shortcut |
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| 16:01.22 | frikinz | gnarface: hum there always encrypted or? otherwise it defeats a bit the idea of physical access? |
| 16:02.12 | tPl0ch | Hello there, I am trying to increase the maximum no. of open files for a specific user in /etc/security/limits.conf , the value /proc/sys/fs/file-max is 314314, but when I change to the specified user, the limits for soft and hard are still 1096, although they were set to 50000 (soft) and 100000 (hard) |
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| 16:03.32 | ectospasm | cool, the Asterisk project has *finally* released apt repos for Debian and Ubuntu: https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Asterisk+Packages |
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| 16:03.45 | gnarface | frikinz: you can put your plaintext passwords on there too if you encrypt the whole volume |
| 16:03.56 | gnarface | frikinz: and some porn just for good measure |
| 16:04.12 | gnarface | frikinz: why waste the rest of the 512MB? |
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| 16:04.24 | omes | haha imagine the label :P |
| 16:05.46 | omes | "keys and porn (well, porn mostly)" |
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| 16:07.44 | omes | 5 |
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| 16:09.22 | Nejc | http://archives.dotdeb.org/dists/etch/php5/5.2.12/binary-i386/ are these files possible to add as repository to debian.list, so I can upgrade via apt-get upgrade? |
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| 16:13.38 | djura-san | o/ |
| 16:14.11 | blackshirt | :-D |
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| 16:16.06 | zgedneil | tPl0ch: I think the limit is imposed by the way the select syscall works, though I'm not sure |
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| 16:17.08 | zgedneil | actually that might not be it, come to think of it, disregard I guess :-) |
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| 16:17.29 | tPl0ch | zgedneil, oh, I found the mistake, I was using 'su' to change to the specified user, and I had to enable the limit support in /etc/pam.d/su |
| 16:17.39 | zgedneil | ok |
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| 16:18.24 | tPl0ch | zgedneil, but thanks for your time anyway :) |
| 16:18.29 | zgedneil | I was wrong anyway I think, being able to use select to check files isn't the same as being able to open them |
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| 16:18.56 | zgedneil | I'm just waiting for a file to copy, I wasn't doing much :-) |
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| 16:19.33 | tPl0ch | I am waiting for a 4kb to finish copying, I have time :p |
| 16:19.38 | tPl0ch | *file |
| 16:19.49 | zgedneil | ugh... Wii Linux is not especially clever about handling multiple USB devices, I have to say |
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| 16:27.23 | persson121 | Hello. I want to install debian on my very old computer. I want to install debian with a USB-pen. How do I do? The BIOS cannot boot from USB. |
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| 16:30.05 | Philluminati | Hi guys, noob question here. I see this quote in the debian installation documents: "Wireless NICs that are not supported by the official Linux kernel can generally be made to work under Debian GNU/Linux, but are not supported during the installation." |
| 16:30.13 | Commander1024 | persson121 boot diskette with syslinux + config that loads kernel + initrd off the stick? |
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| 16:30.33 | Philluminati | Can someone just confirm that if I download and start the netinstall it'll fail because I can't connect back via a wireless network? |
| 16:30.34 | gnarface | persson121: there is a way to do this in theory with a grub boot disk, but i don't think it fits on a floppy anymore. can said computer boot from cd-rom? a grub boot cd *might* work but after that i can't help you... you'd need to know grub hackery. a knoppix disk or a debian-live cd might be preferable in that case as a mechanism to get the usb key booting |
| 16:30.36 | persson121 | Commander1024: Is there a manual ? |
| 16:30.38 | karlpinc | gnarface: Well. That was a total waste of time. See: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=619509 |
| 16:31.05 | persson121 | gnarface: Yes i has a cd rom, but i dont have any CDs ;) |
| 16:31.14 | mutante | ask AOL :p |
| 16:31.32 | karlpinc | !tell persson121 about ig |
| 16:31.36 | Commander1024 | persson121, just install a syslinux on the disk and copy over the isolinux config files to the root and modify them to fetch the required stuff off the correct device |
| 16:31.47 | gnarface | karlpinc: doh! :( backport of the sid one then? |
| 16:32.11 | Philluminati | Are there really 8 DVDs for Debian? Can I presume I only need the first one? |
| 16:32.11 | mutante | persson121: you could probably use an USB flash drive instead |
| 16:32.31 | Cryp71c | I'm used to linux workstations having /sbin and /usr/sbin on the normal user path. Is that undesirable in a server configuration? |
| 16:32.41 | gnarface | Philluminati: yes in most cases but you should get the 40mb businesscard iso instead and just get everything else through the package manager |
| 16:32.41 | karlpinc | gnarface: Who knows. It may still have the same problem. (Although you seem to think not you'd have to find the right combination of checked checkboxes to replicate one of the "default" configs to test.) |
| 16:33.05 | Commander1024 | Philluminati, or the netinst install disc (180mb) |
| 16:33.08 | karlpinc | Philluminati: The recommended way is to install with the netinstall image. That fits on a cd. |
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| 16:33.29 | persson121 | Is Debian 5 more stable then 6? |
| 16:33.40 | gnarface | no it is deprecated |
| 16:33.43 | karlpinc | gnarface: May as well use the netinstall. It has stuff that you are going to need to install that's not on the businesscard image. |
| 16:33.54 | Philluminati | Commander1024, karlpinc, gnarface: The netinstall doesn't support wireless does it? |
| 16:34.20 | Philluminati | According to section 2.1 of the installation documentation anyway. Can someone confirm? |
| 16:34.21 | gnarface | Philluminati: probably does if you don't need weird non-free firmware |
| 16:34.31 | Commander1024 | Philluminati, it doen't include non-free wireless firmware (which can be handed over via usb) or modified netinst images |
| 16:34.40 | karlpinc | persson121: Commander1024 is right. You'd want to install the bootloader on floppy and then run the installer off of the usb stick. There's probably something in the install guide. It seems to have instructions for everything. |
| 16:35.18 | gnarface | karlpinc: i was looking for it a while back and couldn't find it. i ended up just pulling the harddrive and doing a chroot install to it from another machine |
| 16:35.43 | Philluminati | I need either ath5k (in kernel) or ath_pci (madwifi) for my wireless to work. The in kernel one is extremely poor. Sometimes I can't get more than 3 or 4K per second. DNS lookups hang forever. |
| 16:35.46 | gnarface | i might not have been looking for the right thing though |
| 16:36.03 | gnarface | !tell Philluminati about atheros |
| 16:36.05 | Philluminati | I think i'll try the netinstall but I hope the drivers are recent and good (which they should be hopefully) |
| 16:36.36 | Philluminati | What do you mean "don't tell philluminati about atheros"? Don't tell me what? |
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| 16:37.07 | Commander1024 | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Philluminati |
| 16:37.10 | karlpinc | Philluminati: There are unoffical install images with non-free firmware already included (see the <firmware images> factoid) but it's just about as easy to just follow the instructions in the install guide. |
| 16:37.10 | gnarface | Philluminati: no the ! is just a bot shortcut, you should have received a private message from it about atheros drivers |
| 16:38.23 | karlpinc | gnarface, persson121 : Yes, another good choice is removing the hard drive and doing an install on another machine that will boot from usb, or whatever. |
| 16:38.37 | karlpinc | persson121: Can you download the netinstall and burn it to cd and use that? |
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| 16:38.49 | gnarface | karlpinc: he doesn't have any cds |
| 16:39.21 | karlpinc | gnarface: I thought perhaps he ment he does not have any with the installer already on them. |
| 16:39.43 | Philluminati | gnarface: lol :-) Thank you. I think I'll try the netinstall, ath5k is supposed to be in kernel so I'm just hoping the performance is acceptable. |
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| 16:39.53 | karlpinc | !tell Philluminati about msg the bot |
| 16:40.04 | karlpinc | Philluminati: The bot has a lot of good factoids. |
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| 16:41.03 | karlpinc | Philluminati, persson121 : Since you seem to be new and installing the <overview> factoid might be useful. |
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| 16:41.07 | karlpinc | !overview |
| 16:41.07 | dpkg | Debian stable does not always include all the software people need or want so there is much official, semi-official, and non-official software available for stable. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware . Ask me about <security>, <installer firmware>, <backports>, <squeeze-updates>, <multimedia>, <non-free>, <contrib>, <emdebian>, <debian live>. See also <grounding>, <social contract>. |
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| 16:41.48 | Philluminati | Thank you |
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| 16:42.06 | persson121 | karlpinc: Yes. i can do that. Install on another computer. |
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| 16:42.57 | karlpinc | persson121: That might be easiest, in that you won't have to try anything new that way. |
| 16:43.32 | karlpinc | persson121: The best thing would be to do a minimal system install. Install as little as possible. |
| 16:44.20 | persson121 | Okok, but my old HDD has 2 gb, but it's OK with 2 gb. The problem is that has a sound like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J09pWNQPK7U It's old and I wonder if the HDD is brokend? |
| 16:44.40 | karlpinc | persson121: Then once you get the drive back in the machine you'll be using you can run "tasksel" at the console and install more stuff. (Or just install xorg and, say, gnome with 'aptitude install xorg gnome' and leave it at that and install exactly what you want.) |
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| 16:45.15 | Malmis_ | does someone here know how to get a title in i.e putty's titlebar when connecting to a server? like user@hostname: ~ .. |
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| 16:45.23 | persson121 | karlpinc: I will run it textbased cuz i gonna run a python script. |
| 16:45.28 | persson121 | no more. |
| 16:45.51 | karlpinc | persson121: Any hard drive that makes unusual noises is probably failing. Install the smartmontools and ask the drive to self-test. |
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| 16:46.26 | zgedneil | Malmis_: there's a way to do it with xterm, it might support that? |
| 16:47.03 | Malmis_ | maybe, but i tried for just minutes ago.. |
| 16:47.21 | karlpinc | Malmis_: That's a putty question and so offtopic, unless you think somehow a terminal type might feed this into back to putty or something. In which case you can ask that sort of question here. |
| 16:47.44 | Malmis_ | karlpinc it's not a putty question.. |
| 16:47.57 | Malmis_ | it's related to bash.. |
| 16:48.00 | gnarface | i think its a putty question |
| 16:48.12 | Malmis_ | but it's not =) it's something with bash |
| 16:48.22 | Malmis_ | some setting in bashrc |
| 16:48.27 | persson121 | Can I just open the iso of debian and copy all to the USB? |
| 16:48.28 | Commander1024 | persson121, or do it the hard way :D -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoVBHG4kajA&NR=1&feature=fvwp |
| 16:48.30 | zgedneil | it won't be a bash escape sequence surely |
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| 16:49.01 | karlpinc | Malmis_: Then ask us "how do I get bash to act in such and such a way?", where you tell us what putty needs to get bash to do. |
| 16:49.10 | gnarface | persson121: i believe the new isos are usb-compatible now... you can just dd it directly to the usb device |
| 16:49.11 | jhutchins_lt | persson121: Actually, that won't make it bootable. |
| 16:49.21 | jhutchins_lt | persson121: To make it bootable you have to use dd to block copy it. |
| 16:49.22 | persson121 | Commander1024: He dosent repair the HDD. Only commercial. |
| 16:49.34 | Malmis_ | karlpinc well.. i did write "i.e." :P |
| 16:49.50 | persson121 | dd? |
| 16:49.53 | Commander1024 | of course just exchanging the electronics |
| 16:50.29 | Malmis_ | but the xterm stuff worked now when i closed putty and connected again |
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| 16:50.34 | karlpinc | persson121: The iso is an image. It needs to be written right on the device, not into, say, a filesystem on the device. |
| 16:50.38 | Commander1024 | persson121, it's possible to copy all contents of the iso to the stick |
| 16:50.49 | Commander1024 | but then you have to replace isolinux with e.g. syslinux |
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| 16:50.57 | gnarface | thats the hard way |
| 16:51.00 | Commander1024 | and your pc doesn't boot off usb you said |
| 16:51.09 | karlpinc | persson121: In other words, if you copy the files individually there's stuff you're not copying. |
| 16:51.17 | zgedneil | Malmis_: "PuTTY allows the server to send xterm control sequences which modify the title of the window in mid-session" |
| 16:51.21 | persson121 | Commander1024: My other computer does. |
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| 16:51.55 | Malmis_ | zgedneil yes, and as i said, it worked now :P |
| 16:52.09 | zgedneil | sorry it took me a minute to use google |
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| 16:52.39 | Malmis_ | i googled, and i also did use the exactly solution now as before i asked :P |
| 16:52.47 | Malmis_ | but i did never disconnect and connect again.. |
| 16:53.02 | Malmis_ | just started a new bash.. |
| 16:53.07 | Commander1024 | persson121, there is also the possibility to use Unetbootin |
| 16:53.17 | persson121 | So what am gonna do? Copy the files from ISO and then to USB? |
| 16:53.20 | Commander1024 | this tool basically does what I suggested automatically |
| 16:53.37 | persson121 | Commander1024: Yes, on my other computer. But it has no net. |
| 16:53.49 | karlpinc | persson121: So, if you need to copy using something that writes right to the usb stick itself. To use an ugly MS analogy, like nero writes right to CDs when it burns a music cd. |
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| 16:54.23 | persson121 | karlpinc: I gonna brun the ISO to the USB? |
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| 16:54.40 | karlpinc | persson121: I don't think you need the net if you use expert mode and do a bare minimum install. You'd have to check the install guide. |
| 16:54.42 | zgedneil | I don't recommend burning a USB stick, the smell is awful |
| 16:54.48 | Malmis_ | but another question.. don't know if it's bash or some other stuff making this, but when i paste something, the text is jumping around and the "malmis [ ~/blfs/ntp-4.2.4p7 ]$" get's in the middle of screen.. what i have found is that there could be something with the window size, but don't know how to fix it.. |
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| 16:55.06 | gnarface | persson121: ffs its real simple. dd if=[your iso file] of=[your usb dev node] (assuming you're on a *nix box - for windows you need to go download rawwrite) |
| 16:55.10 | Commander1024 | zgedneil, :D ever tried ;-) |
| 16:55.12 | karlpinc | persson121: Basically, yes. That's what dd does. It "burns" disk images onto harddrives and usb sticks and such. (For some value of "burns".) |
| 16:55.16 | persson121 | karlpinc: Yes, i can do the expert mode and install to minimum. |
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| 16:55.30 | zgedneil | Commander1024: errrr... no, honest guv |
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| 16:55.46 | karlpinc | gnarface: But, he has to have a running Un*x. |
| 16:55.55 | gnarface | yes |
| 16:56.02 | gnarface | for windows you can get rawwrite |
| 16:56.05 | gnarface | should work |
| 16:56.06 | zgedneil | there are ways to do it from Windows but they're surprisingly annoying and clunky |
| 16:56.09 | gnarface | at least it used to work for floppies |
| 16:56.10 | zgedneil | (and shareware, I think) |
| 16:56.25 | gnarface | rawwrite rawwrite rawwrite (unsupported here) |
| 16:56.26 | karlpinc | gnarface: Ah. I forgot about rawrite. |
| 16:56.36 | zgedneil | I think rawrite may still be floppy only? |
| 16:56.43 | karlpinc | gnarface: Does rawwrite work for usb sticks? |
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| 16:56.51 | gnarface | rawwrite might actually be freeware, i forget |
| 16:57.10 | zgedneil | rawrite is fine, I was talking about some other thing I tried a few weeks back |
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| 16:57.14 | persson121 | http://www.shivaranjan.com/2008/09/03/how-to-create-bootable-linux-usb-flashpen-drive-from-windows/ I have windows |
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| 16:57.26 | gnarface | karlpinc: i dunno i haven't needed it since the first time i installed linux from floppy. i never look back, only go forward! :-D |
| 16:57.41 | karlpinc | zgedneil: You mean MS Windows is suprisingly annoying and clunky? I'm shocked! Shocked I say! |
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| 16:58.34 | gnarface | its only annoying and clunky when you're trying to get real work done, or interface with any product that's not a matching version of windows |
| 16:58.46 | zgedneil | persson121: that looks worth a try |
| 16:59.24 | zgedneil | I meant the winimage program or whatever it was called |
| 16:59.31 | zgedneil | good grief that was so awkward to use |
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| 16:59.35 | persson121 | Yes. I gonna make a server who reads over 200 pages every 5 seconds. Not the hole page, a line . |
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| 17:01.26 | alsd | hi there |
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| 17:02.08 | zgedneil | persson121's comment reminds me somewhat of the twist at the end of the last House episode |
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| 17:04.23 | alsd | i'm having trouble setting up a BIND DNS server: most (but not all) requests time out with either "connection time out; no servers could be reached", or with SERVFAIL. tcpdump shows some queries being sent, but without any answer. any clue what's going wrong? |
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| 17:05.41 | gnarface | alsd: i'm just gonna guess that its your firewall failing to pass both tcp AND udp on the dhcp port |
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| 17:05.51 | gnarface | check that shit first |
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| 17:07.02 | userofdebian | Hello |
| 17:07.36 | userofdebian | when installing debian, can I tell the Crypto-LVM to use XTS mode instead of CBC? |
| 17:07.36 | persson121 | yo |
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| 17:08.11 | alsd | gnarface: trouble is, it's real random : some queries are ok, others aren't. but it's an order of magnitude more failing than a direct request to, say, our ISP's DNS or google's |
| 17:08.21 | alsd | gnarface: so it's not a problem with firewall rules |
| 17:09.54 | Cryp71c | I'm used to linux workstations having /sbin and /usr/sbin on the normal user path. Is that undesirable in a server configuration? |
| 17:10.17 | gnarface | alsd: 1) make sure your local machine is always querying the right server (you may have dead servers in your round-robin) 2) find out if the same domains always succeed or always fail - random behavior for the same domain is a different story 3) do what i fucking said first and check the firewall |
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| 17:12.47 | alsd | gnarface: there is no firewall, just a stupid NAT box from netgear, without firewalling. i already checked that. the BIND DNS server queries the root servers and goes down the chain, like all regular DNS servers do (no forwarding). but with forwarding enabled the problem is the same. i guess some UDP packets get silently dropped |
| 17:14.36 | gnarface | alsd: so its not a public server then? i was assuming that it was. for a public server you *need* both tcp AND udp open in for the dns port to the server or your behavior will be exactly this - random failures because many queries can be responded to using only one of the two - if your'e behind the firewall with it your firewall still may be failing to hold state on outgoing packets |
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| 17:17.59 | AthomIk | is possible per kernel option on boot restrict all process on one core ? |
| 17:18.23 | AthomIk | and after send one process for other core via schedtool ? |
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| 17:19.15 | gnarface | alsd: also you could try setting up bind to just use a single port setup. sometimes that helps with badly behaved firewalls |
| 17:19.22 | alsd | gnarface: yes it's on a private LAN behind a stupid NAT box which i'd be happy to throw away (far). you mean i have to open port 53 on the firewall? trouble is, there's no firewall blocking, only it's nated. so i guess i have to throw the box away because it can't keep state long enough on NATed UDP connections? |
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| 17:20.17 | dutchfish | alsd, you want portforwarding? |
| 17:20.29 | alsd | dutchfish: i guess so yes |
| 17:20.56 | gnarface | alsd: i'm really not sure but it might be a problem with it tracking state across multiple ports... when bind queries external servers to fulfill your request (anything it doesn't have cached locally), they come from randomized ports by default. i think there is a option to make incoming AND outgoing requests all go through 53 - its a known workaround for many badly behaved router/firewall setups |
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| 17:22.52 | ola | AthomIk: you can use cpu-hotplug to turn cores on/off. You will have to enable it in your kernel, then you can use /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/online to control it. |
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| 17:23.24 | alsd | dutchfish: my dream would be to have a real box, with, say, a linux router, instead of this stupid router, but trouble is that it's operating a VPN which seems to use proprietary protocol, so i can't replace it |
| 17:23.48 | justin | gnarface: randomizing dns ports is one of the things needed to prevent dns cache poisoning attacks |
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| 17:24.03 | gnarface | justin: doh. well there goes that plan |
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| 17:24.24 | gnarface | does not have this problem - uses an openbsd firewall |
| 17:24.55 | gnarface | it seems to track state rather well |
| 17:24.58 | solitude | IF CHRISTOPHER REEVE GETS TO BE PARALYZED THEN I GET TO BE CRAZY. |
| 17:24.58 | solitude | THE TOWEL IS FOR CATCHING THE SPURT SIR (YOU ARE SO NAIVE). |
| 17:24.58 | solitude | HOW COME TONIGHT THE MOON IS ALL FULL WHEN YESTERDAY THE MOON WAS BRUISED AND REDDISH BEATEN LIKE A DATE GONE ALL BAD? |
| 17:24.59 | solitude | I ONLY SUCK DICK IN SELF DEFENSE. AND AT THE BOOKSTORE. |
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| 17:25.00 | solitude | ANY KIND OF DICK WILL DO BUT I PREFER TO CHOMP AND CHEW ON THE NORTHERN AMERICAN VARIETY FOR VARIOUS REASONS/CONDITIONS. SERIOUSLY IF YOU COULD JUST FORM A LINE TO THE LEFT OF THE URINALS I'LL GET TO BUSINESS. |
| 17:25.01 | solitude | EIGHT SNICKERS LATER I HAVE DIHARREA. |
| 17:25.02 | solitude | WELL THE SAFEWAY LADY CLAIMS SHE HAS NO IDEA IF I'VE PURCHASED AN ADEQUATE RATIO OF TISSUE PAPER / HUSTLERS. |
| 17:25.02 | solitude | BUT I DON'T MISS THE PART WHERE YOU WACK MY NUTS WITH A STICK FOR FORTY MINUTE STRETCHES. |
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| 17:25.04 | solitude | PERHAPS THE ANSWER TO THE GENTLEMAN'S QUESTION LIES HERE, IN MY PANTS. THE ANSWER IS COCK!!!!!!! |
| 17:25.04 | solitude | I PREFER PIE, CAKE. ALSO ICE CREAM. I MENTIONED CAKE ABOVE (PREVIOUSLY). ALSO HOSTESS PRODUCTS AND PRODUCTS RELATED TO THE HOSTESS LINE. |
| 17:25.05 | solitude | THERE'S NOTHING PERVERTED OR GAY ABOUT ME WANTING TO OPEN A BOUTIQUE. IT'S A COCK BOUTIQUE WITH LITTLE BOWS AND RIBBONS BUT IT'S NOT WHAT YOU THINK. LITTLE HATS AND COSTUMES FOR THE PUPPET SHOW I PUT ON EACH MORNING. |
| 17:25.06 | solitude | I LIKE TO PRACTICE BEING GAY IN FRONT OF A MIRROR. |
| 17:25.06 | solitude | PERL CAN HELP ME ITERATE OVER THE COCKS IN A GIVEN STALL, MARK EACH AS SUCKED OR UNSUCKED AND SORT THEM BY LENGTH. THEN I CAN BE GAY WITH PISS AND GO HOME AND TAKE A NAP. |
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| 17:25.10 | solitude | THE COCKMOBILE WILL COME TO MY TOWN SOME DAY. THEN I CAN SUCK DICKS FROM FARAWAY LANDS. AND LOCAL COCKS THAT I KNOW AND LOVE. |
| 17:25.11 | solitude | WOW, DICK FOR ME. |
| 17:25.11 | solitude | I'M PROPPED UP LIKE A SOLDIER AND STOPPED UP LIKE A TOILET. |
| 17:25.12 | solitude | IT'S SHOWTIME AT MY BALLS. |
| 17:25.12 | solitude | I WISH TO INSPECT YOUR APPARATUS. |
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| 17:27.06 | AthomIk | cool how i can install solitude :D |
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| 17:29.58 | Bladerunner05 | hello guys, after the first fail try to install a package with an interface that ask me some data... so even if I remove package when try to install again the screen that askme data don't show again.... how to clean all information saved by package ?? |
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| 17:31.52 | Kurin | how can I set a value for a dpkg-reconfigure prompt so that I can use the noninteractive frontend but not the the default? |
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| 17:32.49 | alsd | Kurin: dpkg-reconfigure -f <frontend> , see man dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 17:33.13 | Kurin | alsd: right, but if I want it to choose a different value than it normally would for those prompts |
| 17:33.36 | tweek_ | dpkg: tell Bladerunner05 about purge |
| 17:33.37 | Kurin | alsd: for example, in `dpkg-reconfigure dash` the default choice is to make dash the system shell |
| 17:33.58 | Kurin | alsd: but I want to be able to run it noninteractively and to choose bash as the system shell |
| 17:34.02 | abrotman | Kurin: debconf-set-selections |
| 17:34.41 | Kurin | abrotman: thanks |
| 17:35.00 | Radios | http://www.squidoo.com/funnest |
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| 17:36.14 | Radios | funnest is akin to funeral |
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| 17:36.57 | Radios | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wiktionary/en/wiki/funest |
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| 17:38.53 | AthomIk | is possible per kernel option on boot restrict all process on one core ? |
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| 17:39.12 | AthomIk | and after give all core for on process ? |
| 17:39.13 | abrotman | Radios: go spam somewhere else |
| 17:39.23 | abrotman | AthomIk: technically, you can turn off apic |
| 17:40.07 | Radios | so its just that qcoder32 can do it |
| 17:40.12 | abrotman | stop |
| 17:40.17 | abrotman | notice he was k-lined |
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| 17:40.32 | Radios | i didnt but glad to know |
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| 17:41.34 | AthomIk | abrotman: i want core 1.2.3 for one process all other in core 0 |
| 17:41.56 | abrotman | AthomIk: that's call 'affinity' .. you can search your package database to see what you come up with |
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| 17:42.28 | AthomIk | abrotman: yes but not a boot process |
| 17:42.46 | AthomIk | at this time i use schedtool for this process |
| 17:43.30 | thewanderer1 | guys, I'm now looking at chromium-browser's debian/rules file and can't seem to locate its configure script. am I right in thinking that configure-stamp should normally contain this part? |
| 17:44.08 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 17:44.32 | abrotman | AthomIk: and that's how you do it |
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| 17:46.28 | philippe_ | hello all |
| 17:47.23 | philippe_ | I'have a little problem , I just installed a squeeze on lvm |
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| 17:47.31 | philippe_ | everything is on lvm |
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| 17:48.18 | philippe_ | I changed the hostname |
| 17:48.36 | philippe_ | and now I can't boot |
| 17:48.57 | philippe_ | I must vgchange -ay on boot |
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| 17:51.54 | philippe_ | I think grub try to activate the vg on boot and fail because of mismatch between hostname and creation_host |
| 17:52.23 | blackest_mamba | how can I tell if my update to 6.0.1 worked |
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| 17:52.58 | philippe_ | so I tried to change creation_host in /etc/lvm/backup/my_vg |
| 17:53.14 | philippe_ | and I restored it |
| 17:53.34 | philippe_ | but this don't work |
| 17:53.44 | philippe_ | any idea about this pb ? |
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| 17:55.20 | thewanderer1 | blackest_mamba: 6.0.1 is only an updated set of packages - try `apt-cache policy` on a few packages that you know have been updated in 6.0.1 |
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| 17:55.45 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 17:56.25 | abrotman | thewanderer1: uhm, it should say 6.0.1 if he's updated |
| 17:56.37 | abrotman | blackest_mamba: show us your sources.list |
| 17:56.41 | abrotman | in a pastebin |
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| 17:57.00 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: hm, that's funny. mine doesn't ^_^ |
| 17:57.10 | abrotman | judd: versions basefiles |
| 17:57.11 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'basefiles' was found in i386. |
| 17:57.14 | abrotman | judd: versions base-files |
| 17:57.15 | judd | Package base-files on i386 -- lenny: 5lenny9; squeeze: 6.0squeeze1; sid: 6.1; wheezy: 6.1 |
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| 17:57.33 | abrotman | $ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:57.33 | abrotman | 6.0.1 |
| 17:57.56 | petan | is the http://mirrors.ccs.neu.edu/ubuntu valid debian repo? |
| 17:58.05 | petan | I have it in sources dunno why... |
| 17:58.14 | blackest_mamba | http://pastebin.com/qrD5RsEf |
| 17:58.17 | abrotman | petan: does it sound like a Debian repo? |
| 17:58.19 | blackest_mamba | that's my sources list |
| 17:58.24 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: thanks for letting me know something's wrong :D |
| 17:58.29 | abrotman | blackest_mamba: aptitude update; aptitude full-upgrade |
| 17:58.45 | blackest_mamba | yeah |
| 17:58.49 | petan | abrotman: why I have it in sources then, it appear in list of sources (administration in gui) |
| 17:58.50 | abrotman | i meant, run it again |
| 17:58.57 | blackest_mamba | cat debian.version shows 6.0.1 |
| 17:58.59 | abrotman | petan: no idea, it's not my system |
| 17:59.00 | blackest_mamba | thanks |
| 17:59.12 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.22 | abrotman | petan: that is not a Debian mirror |
| 17:59.35 | abrotman | gnarface: which had what? |
| 17:59.54 | abrotman | gnarface: http://ftp.de.debian.org/dmc/today/ .. is that okay? |
| 17:59.57 | gnarface | abrotman: a list of all the official debian mirrors |
| 18:00.21 | gnarface | abrotman: yea that looks like the same thing... they're both still linked from the site though |
| 18:00.33 | abrotman | gnarface: that list is available at any mirror |
| 18:00.47 | gnarface | good to know |
| 18:00.57 | abrotman | gnarface: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt |
| 18:01.15 | gnarface | thanks |
| 18:01.22 | diago | I bought a netbook (acer one 522) and am having a hell of a time trying to get sound working. Anyone good with alsa that could help me out |
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| 18:02.55 | petan | could someone tell me link to normal sources.list for squeeze |
| 18:03.06 | abrotman | !tell petan about squeeze sources.list |
| 18:03.09 | blackest_mamba | petan: see my link above |
| 18:03.14 | blackest_mamba | I think that's the default |
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| 18:03.38 | petan | abrotman: definitely but that doesn't answer my question |
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| 18:03.50 | abrotman | yes .. it does |
| 18:03.59 | petan | that only tell how the syntax of sources looks like |
| 18:04.04 | pobega_lurk | Hi, I'm wondering if there's a way to flag multiple pacakges in some sort of 'virtual group' with apt? |
| 18:04.05 | abrotman | no, it gives oyu two valid lines |
| 18:04.17 | abrotman | and those are *technically* all you need |
| 18:04.35 | petan | I already have those two lines and I see only few hundred of packages |
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| 18:04.49 | petan | in lenny I used to have like 10 000 |
| 18:04.49 | persson121 | Hey! Slitaz linux takes inly 2 MB in RAm!!! |
| 18:05.04 | abrotman | petan: that doesn't make it correct |
| 18:05.09 | abrotman | persson121: wrong channel ? |
| 18:05.25 | abrotman | petan: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
| 18:05.25 | persson121 | abrotman: nope ;) |
| 18:05.34 | abrotman | persson121: how is that related to Debian ? |
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| 18:06.02 | petergriffin | What are files that start with .nfs? |
| 18:06.03 | petan | http://pastebin.com/hQNnwazV |
| 18:06.09 | ttyS1 | I'm getting the same bug reported o bug #599375 on squeeze. how can I get Xorg to stop freezing. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=599375 |
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| 18:06.43 | abrotman | petan: ugh .. you shouldn't be pointing at 'stable', but 'squeeze' |
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| 18:06.53 | petan | isn't it same now? |
| 18:06.57 | abrotman | and you certainly don't need the same source four times |
| 18:07.07 | abrotman | petan: currently it is, but eventually, they will not be |
| 18:07.21 | xpeed | Hi, i would like to ask about the i386 arch supported by debian, is it really optimized for 80386 procesors or it is just the regular name for i586 or i686 precompiled packages? |
| 18:07.45 | zgedneil | xpeed: I don't think the actual 386 is even supported any more |
| 18:07.54 | abrotman | xpeed: 486 |
| 18:08.02 | abrotman | that's a gcc issue |
| 18:08.07 | zgedneil | maybe if you have the 387 too :-) |
| 18:08.53 | thewanderer1 | diago: first, try setting the proper model (/usr/share/doc/HD-Audio.txt.gz and *Models.txt.gz) - if that doesn't help or you don't know what else to try, get the new ALSA modules from alsa-source and compile |
| 18:09.16 | pobega | Anyone know if there is a way to create virtual package groups in Debian? I need to install a few packages (for a project) but want to flag them for easy removal later on. |
| 18:09.24 | abrotman | petan: you seriously only need the two lines the bot gave you |
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| 18:09.59 | thewanderer1 | pobega: you either a) make a metapackage and install it, which pulls them in as deps or b) save their names to a text file that you can later pipe to apt |
| 18:10.02 | diago | thewanderer1: Thanks, I will read through those and see what happens! |
| 18:10.28 | xpeed | abrotman, so in that approach, the amd64 releases probably have a better preformance because 64 bit code optimizations am i wrong ? |
| 18:10.34 | persson121 | Is Debian more stable then SliTaz? Or is the both stable? |
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| 18:10.49 | abrotman | xpeed: depends on the application |
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| 18:10.56 | abrotman | .deop abrotman |
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| 18:11.14 | abrotman | persson121: please keep it on-topic, you've been sileneced for 10 minujtes |
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| 18:16.14 | pobega | thewanderer1: Is that really the only option? I'm hard pressed to believe that since most other package managers support it... I guess I'm going to have to keep digging, then. Thanks though, I might just end up putting together a metapackage |
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| 18:18.01 | thewanderer1 | pobega: there's not much of a "package manager" in the high-level tools - we have dpkg which installs/removes stuff and complains when deps are broken and apt which fetches and resolves deps, but apt itself doesn't hold much state |
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| 18:20.56 | xpeed | actually im looking for a nice server distro to migrate our gentoo servers, that have been operating flawlesslly with heavy loads and we want to make sure that the chosen distro have the propper optimizations. Unfortunately some propietary apps requerie 32 bits OSs and that is why i would like to know. |
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| 18:21.29 | xpeed | the issue with the gentoo os is the manteniance |
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| 18:22.59 | centHOGG | y, gentoo pretty thick |
| 18:23.31 | centHOGG | it's good, never got too far |
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| 18:24.53 | xpeed | gentoo is an awesome platform, but the maintenance of serveral instances of gentoo is becoming |
| 18:24.55 | xpeed | unmanageable |
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| 18:25.43 | centHOGG | k, pm me if you my 2 cents |
| 18:25.49 | kangaroo | Hello together |
| 18:25.52 | xpeed | of course. |
| 18:26.08 | kangaroo | I have a little question. Is it possible to format with EXT in Quick Format? |
| 18:26.30 | kangaroo | (EXT3) |
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| 18:29.01 | joltcan | kangaroo: What does quick format mean? Are you referring to quick format as in wht you do with ntfs? |
| 18:29.29 | bonjoyee | could someone please pastebin a vanilla /etc/hosts file for me?..i just messed up mine:( |
| 18:29.46 | kangaroo | thx for answer joltcan ... yes you're right |
| 18:29.52 | kangaroo | it takes too long for 2TB |
| 18:29.55 | joltcan | bonjoyee: the only thing you really need is 127.0.0.1 localhost |
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| 18:30.13 | bonjoyee | joltcan: and the ipv6 entries? |
| 18:30.15 | joltcan | kangaroo: Yes, but thats just who it is |
| 18:30.54 | joltcan | bonjoyee: http://e6fd401d1323933e.paste.se/ |
| 18:31.12 | kangaroo | I think mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1 takes hours - or not? |
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| 18:31.32 | bonjoyee | joltcan: thank you very much:) |
| 18:32.25 | joltcan | bonjoyee: you're welcome |
| 18:32.36 | joltcan | kangaroo: Then you have to slow disks |
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| 18:33.38 | bonjoyee | also...earlier i could disable ipv6 using ipv6.disable=1 on the kernel line...but after the latest kernel update (squeeze 64 bit)..it says module ipv6 not found..whats happening? |
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| 18:34.12 | kangaroo | I'll try - thx |
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| 18:36.39 | joltcan | bonjoyee: No idea. Maybe its compiled in? |
| 18:36.52 | jhutchins | !noipv6 |
| 18:36.52 | dpkg | To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 18:37.23 | jhutchins | bonjoyee: What's your uname -r? |
| 18:38.16 | bonjoyee | jhutchins: 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 18:38.42 | jhutchins | That should have the ipv6 module compiled in, you can check the config file in /boot to be sure. |
| 18:38.55 | bonjoyee | jhutchins: 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Mar 7 21:35:22 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux ( uname -a) |
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| 18:39.56 | bonjoyee | jhutchins: is it?..oh...as i am sure it has only changed after the recent kernel update.. |
| 18:40.31 | jhutchins | I haven't seen the error on my 32b. |
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| 18:41.28 | pinkisntwell | i'm using awesome as my window manager, but i still want to use kde to manage my keyboard layouts. ever since i upgraded to squeeze, i need to launch kde systemsettings in order for keyboard layout changing to work |
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| 18:42.04 | ophiel | couldn't help but overhear, android is based on linux but is not a linux distro per se |
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| 18:42.08 | mrpeters_ | hi guys - having some trouble with an areca 18xx series RAID card and squeeze -- i guess the kernel we instaled doesn't have the drivers but i'm reading that 2.6.37 does |
| 18:42.26 | ymasory | will dist-upgrade do everything upgrade does? |
| 18:42.27 | mrpeters_ | we can't boot the system, since the raid can't be seen - hwoever if we load our driver compiled from source, we can then mount the disks in "busybox" |
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| 18:42.38 | ophiel | :| |
| 18:42.45 | ophiel | buck |
| 18:42.46 | bonjoyee | also i don't use any ipv6 devices in my network..should I disable ipv6? will it hurt performance if i leave it enabled? |
| 18:42.46 | mrpeters_ | is there a way to install this updated kernel from busybox so we get the drivers/kernel that we need? |
| 18:42.47 | ophiel | fuck |
| 18:42.55 | ophiel | pardon moi wrong window |
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| 18:46.23 | DetroitLibertyPe | ophiel, Android is certainly Linux, but its not GNU |
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| 18:53.28 | gdfgdfg | hi, anyone knows why eth0 won't come up ? it's an realtek RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ , and the module tr8139too gets loaded ok, eth0 shows when ifconfig, but after setting an static ip to this iface it can only ping itself, nothing else, and ip link show dev eth0 says state DOWN |
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| 18:53.47 | gdfgdfg | *the module is 8139too |
| 18:54.30 | EZmoney | is it the only netcard? |
| 18:54.50 | gdfgdfg | nope, i have the same |
| 18:55.03 | dvs | gdfgdfg: Maybe you need the RealTek firmware (firmware-realtek package) |
| 18:55.04 | EZmoney | 2 of the same? |
| 18:55.09 | gdfgdfg | yes |
| 18:55.38 | gdfgdfg | no irq conflict |
| 18:55.42 | gdfgdfg | hmm |
| 18:55.57 | gdfgdfg | dvs arent them supposed to work out of the box, pretty standard |
| 18:56.11 | gdfgdfg | maybe some options |
| 18:57.06 | justin | gdfgdfg: what is it plugged into? |
| 18:57.24 | gdfgdfg | another pc, it's a p2p connection |
| 18:57.33 | justin | are you using a crossover cable? |
| 18:57.38 | gdfgdfg | yes |
| 18:57.47 | justin | sure? |
| 18:57.53 | gdfgdfg | suuure :) |
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| 19:11.39 | FriarLaurence | hi. i use gnome and when i open the calendar, it doesnt show the appointments anymore. how can i make gnome show them? |
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| 19:21.56 | Philluminati | Trying to download debian 6 for amd64 via bit torrent. Are there really only two seeds? |
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| 19:23.56 | justin | Philluminati: which iso? |
| 19:24.34 | justin | i'm seeding debian-6.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso and debian-6.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso and I'm sure I have more BW than you do |
| 19:24.43 | Philluminati | debian-6.0.1a-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 19:25.09 | justin | dvd images are a waste of bandwidth |
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| 19:25.20 | Philluminati | Should I be installing debian-update-6.0.1a-amd64-DVD-1.iso instead? |
| 19:25.40 | justin | you should just get the cd images |
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| 19:25.45 | justin | needs to get the 0.1a images |
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| 19:27.09 | justin | heh, my ratio on the debian-6.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso image is 3,407 |
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| 19:27.25 | CoolCold | hi guys |
| 19:27.29 | enterneo | which repo do I need to install firefox4 |
| 19:27.38 | Philluminati | how can it be amd64-i386 iso? |
| 19:27.49 | CoolCold | anyone using netconsole on squeeze /lenny-backported kernel 2.6.32 and upper? |
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| 19:28.08 | justin | Philluminati: multiarch |
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| 19:28.29 | Philluminati | right |
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| 19:28.55 | Philluminati | I tried using the netinstall version but I won't pick up my wireless |
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| 19:29.03 | Philluminati | (ath5k) |
| 19:29.25 | justin | you probably need the firmware |
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| 19:33.10 | babilen | Philluminati: note that it does not wupport wpa* excrypted ones |
| 19:33.20 | babilen | support even :) |
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| 19:33.37 | Philluminati | Is that the problem? |
| 19:33.53 | Philluminati | I haven't got a network cable capable of reaching the router |
| 19:34.20 | babilen | Philluminati: Is you wifi wpa/wpa2 encrypted? |
| 19:34.23 | Philluminati | Will the DVD version support it? |
| 19:34.29 | erAbuelo | buenas tardes/noches |
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| 19:34.49 | Philluminati | No, sorry it's WEP encrypted |
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| 19:34.53 | Philluminati | weak but encrypted |
| 19:35.04 | justin | don't get the dvd image, just get the cd imgae |
| 19:35.10 | justin | !+installer firmware |
| 19:35.10 | dpkg | Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04 and http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
| 19:35.35 | justin | pretty sure the cd-1 has the firmware on it though |
| 19:35.39 | babilen | Philluminati: Debian supports wpa encrypted networks just fine. It is just that the installer does not and you therefore can't perform a netinstall if your wifi is encrypted with WPA. As justin repeatedly mentioned it might also be a problem with missing firmware. |
| 19:35.45 | babilen | justin: It does not |
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| 19:36.41 | babilen | Philluminati: WEP encrypted ones should be fine. Likely a firmware issue. You can either use CD1/DVD1 to install Debian without the need for a network connection *during the installation* or use the firmare images. |
| 19:37.00 | Philluminati | Thank you |
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| 19:38.18 | thewanderer1 | can anybody tell me how to compile Chromium on Debian with a changed config option? |
| 19:38.42 | thewanderer1 | the source dir is such a mess, not a single configure script, everything is scattered and I've got no idea where to pass options |
| 19:38.57 | justin | thewanderer1: read debian/rules |
| 19:39.22 | thewanderer1 | justin: yeah, I can't seem to understand it at all :/ |
| 19:39.49 | babilen | (the only sane place in many source packages) |
| 19:39.58 | Philluminati | I presume you are refering to this? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en |
| 19:40.26 | justin | yeah |
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| 19:43.07 | CoolCold | huh, netconsole doesn't work.. |
| 19:43.14 | CoolCold | nothing is sended.. |
| 19:43.54 | control | hi all, any recommendations for a good multicast router daemon (PIMv1) for Debian? |
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| 19:44.15 | control | I tried pimd but unfortunately it only handles PIMv2. |
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| 19:48.00 | Philluminati | How do I know if ath5k or ath_pci support is provided by this firmware tar file? |
| 19:48.23 | jhutchins_lt | !ath5k |
| 19:48.23 | dpkg | [ath5k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11a/bg PCI wireless LAN chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for more information and supported devices. For AR5007* devices, ask me about <ar2425>. For 802.11n device support, ask me about <ath9k>. |
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| 19:48.34 | sedulous | How can I cut .ogg (vorbis) files in a lossless way? |
| 19:48.53 | Canar | sedulous: break 'em on a frame boundary |
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| 19:49.10 | Canar | i'm not sure if there are any tools to simplify that |
| 19:49.12 | Canar | but |
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| 19:49.38 | Canar | actually, to the best of my knowledge (as a moderator at hydrogenaudio) there's no tool to do that |
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| 19:50.18 | kn0x | i had alsa (mostly) working with my soundcard, then i was changing some config and I can't get it back working... do i just do dpkg-reconfigure for it? |
| 19:50.40 | tweek_ | sedulous: mp3splt |
| 19:50.41 | ola | sedulous: vcut, comes with vorbis-tools |
| 19:50.57 | kn0x | i believe it was something I changed in modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf |
| 19:51.10 | kn0x | but I dont know how to restore the default |
| 19:51.13 | Canar | whoa |
| 19:51.16 | sedulous | tweek_: mp3splt can cut ogg too? |
| 19:51.18 | sedulous | ola: thanks |
| 19:51.27 | tweek_ | man says yes |
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| 19:51.28 | Canar | consider me informed -_- |
| 19:51.35 | sedulous | cool |
| 19:51.36 | tweek_ | mp3splt â Utility for mp3/ogg splitting without decoding |
| 19:51.48 | Canar | i'm not sure either tool guarantees losslessness tho |
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| 19:53.21 | Canar | sedulous: i'm not convinced either tool is lossless, though go right ahead and test it out if you like |
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| 19:54.26 | k3rmat60 | Is there a way to tell apt(itude |
| 19:54.44 | k3rmat60 | ^sorry hit return prematurely by accident |
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| 19:56.58 | userofdebian | when installing debian, can I tell the Crypto-LVM to use XTS mode instead of CBC? |
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| 20:00.24 | dclarke | SFQ : does debian ( Linux version 2.6.32-5-amd64 (Debian 2.6.32-30) etc etc ) have a memory based filesystem like tmpfs ? |
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| 20:01.26 | joltcan | dclarke: tmpfs is avaliable since long ago |
| 20:01.40 | dclarke | yes but .. where ? at /tmp ? |
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| 20:01.47 | ola | userofdebian: there is a page called AesXtsEncryptedLvm on wiki.debian.org ... follow instructions at your own risk. |
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| 20:03.13 | joltcan | dclarke: depends on where you want to mount it. Look at /etc/default/tmpfs |
| 20:03.17 | joltcan | dclarke: and read http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-fs3.html |
| 20:03.40 | joltcan | dclarke: it defaults to /lib/init/rw |
| 20:03.56 | joltcan | dclarke: and /dev/shm. (mount |grep tmpfs) |
| 20:04.14 | petern_ | Hi, it doesn't seem possible to change a drive's DMA mode with libata. Is there a way? :S |
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| 20:04.47 | dclarke | joltcan: thanks ! |
| 20:05.01 | petern_ | (I'm running Debian Squeeze) |
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| 20:07.03 | superlinux | hi. vlc is playing the mp3 faster than normal with cuts, what should I do? |
| 20:07.22 | jonaskoelker | Hi all. All GL video output seems to be black (mplayer -vo gl, glxgears, gltron). How do I get my gl'y goodness back? |
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| 20:11.10 | best_priroda | heya i need help |
| 20:11.19 | best_priroda | can someone tell me if this is fake or not http://our-incredible-world.blogspot.com/ |
| 20:11.29 | best_priroda | i can repay, even with sex |
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| 20:11.36 | best_priroda | i am 18 yrs old pretty girl |
| 20:11.39 | best_priroda | http://our-incredible-world.blogspot.com/ |
| 20:11.41 | best_priroda | tell me please |
| 20:11.42 | best_priroda | fake or not |
| 20:12.08 | best_priroda | http://our-incredible-world.blogspot.com/ |
| 20:12.22 | Azrael_- | does /etc/network/interfaces support bridges without an ip and if yes, what does it need? |
| 20:12.44 | k3rmat60 | Is there a way to tell or make apt(itude) to ignore dependency issues between packages? I have the two packages that I need installed and working after a 'dpkg -i --force-conflicts,overwrite <package>' but apt(itude) complains and won't install/update other packages because of dependency conflicts. Is there anyway to keep my system the way it is AND still use apt(itude) to install apps? |
| 20:14.16 | Arrowmaster | you should either dependencies or edit the packages to remove the conflict |
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| 20:14.50 | Arrowmaster | *either fix the dependencies |
| 20:15.01 | superlinux | can please someone help me? |
| 20:15.19 | superlinux | vlc plays the mp3's faster than normal. |
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| 20:15.45 | superlinux | and there are hickups in the playing |
| 20:15.45 | k3rmat60 | click on the << button |
| 20:16.07 | superlinux | k3rmat60, no it's just when i open and play normally |
| 20:16.44 | superlinux | I use xmms. it plays normally |
| 20:16.56 | kingsley | superlinux: When did you first notice the problem? |
| 20:17.04 | superlinux | just yet! |
| 20:17.13 | superlinux | just now I mean |
| 20:17.21 | kingsley | OK |
| 20:17.24 | jhutchins_lt | k3rmat60: Let's start with what the packages are? |
| 20:17.32 | superlinux | I was even looking online for solutions |
| 20:17.36 | kingsley | Has vlc worked OK before? |
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| 20:17.50 | superlinux | let me check other mp3s |
| 20:18.12 | k3rmat60 | jhutchins_lt: They are cups-client and lrpng |
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| 20:18.34 | jhutchins_lt | superlinux: this is usally a hardware problem, but sometimes software can compensate. |
| 20:18.35 | superlinux | still the same issue |
| 20:18.47 | superlinux | I think it's |
| 20:18.47 | jhutchins_lt | k3rmat60: You sholuldn't need lprng with cups, it provides the same services. |
| 20:19.05 | superlinux | I have an AMD64 system on an AMD CPU |
| 20:19.13 | kingsley | superlinux: Has vlc worked OK before? |
| 20:19.28 | superlinux | but xmms and totem do the job perfectly |
| 20:19.36 | superlinux | kingsley, donno |
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| 20:19.56 | superlinux | i think on earlier versions yes it did |
| 20:20.06 | k3rmat60 | jhutchins: I know right?! What happens when I use just cups to print a postscript file, it prints the encoded file and not the PDF. LRPng prints it correctly |
| 20:20.23 | kingsley | superlinux: Could upgrading have broken vlc? |
| 20:20.27 | jhutchins_lt | k3rmat60: Fix cups. |
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| 20:20.43 | jhutchins_lt | k3rmat60: Something's wrong with your filter. |
| 20:20.44 | tpo | aparently NOPASSWD lines need to figure at the end of /etc/sudoers - has anybody found the place where that's documented in the man page? |
| 20:20.45 | superlinux | kingsley, how would I know |
| 20:21.04 | superlinux | my upgrading has no broken packages |
| 20:21.10 | jhutchins_lt | k3rmat60: The lpr(ng) functions should be provided by symlinks to the cups equivalents. |
| 20:21.33 | kingsley | superlinux: If earlier versions of vlc worked, and now a later version does not work, that would suggest that upgrading vlc brok it. |
| 20:21.42 | kingsley | s/brok/broke/ |
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| 20:22.08 | superlinux | squeeze is broken already! i noticed a huge change |
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| 20:22.44 | superlinux | sarge was debian's best |
| 20:22.47 | k3rmat60 | jhutchins: When I grab the .ps from the linux box and open it with distiller on a windows box it opens the pdf correctly without any errors... so wouldn't that mean my filter is good? |
| 20:22.51 | Arrowmaster | tpo: its documented in the man page that the order does have a major effect |
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| 20:23.41 | kingsley | superlinux: Can any other video playing software on the same computer play the same video file OK? |
| 20:23.55 | k3rmat60 | jhutchins: how would I fix the lpr to use symlinks? |
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| 20:24.11 | jhutchins_lt | k3rmat60: I mean the cups filter setup. If it's a PDF, it should convert to ps. |
| 20:24.28 | kanadechan | hi, is it possible to enable a serial console at the debian squeeze installer? |
| 20:24.34 | jhutchins_lt | k3rmat60: A _clean_ install of cups should include the symlinks. |
| 20:24.38 | superlinux | I told ye totem and xmms and mplayer ..etc plays fine |
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| 20:24.40 | kanadechan | i will install debian over a serial console |
| 20:24.42 | tpo | Arrowmaster, can't see anything relevant when searching the manpage |
| 20:25.17 | tpo | my sudoers file is the default delivered by Debian |
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| 20:25.34 | kingsley | superlinux: Do totem, xmms and mplayer play the same file OK that fails with vlc? |
| 20:25.47 | superlinux | yes! and perfectly! |
| 20:25.50 | jhutchins_lt | tpo: Did you add your user to the sudo group, log them out and back in? |
| 20:26.00 | superlinux | I am using now mplayer |
| 20:26.02 | kingsley | superlinux: OK, then I suspect a software bug. |
| 20:26.08 | superlinux | yep |
| 20:26.12 | k3rmat60 | jhutchin: I started with a clean install of everything. |
| 20:26.25 | superlinux | it's just the sound playing speed |
| 20:26.37 | superlinux | can't I set it somehow? |
| 20:26.40 | Arrowmaster | tpo: second sentence in 'man sudoers' |
| 20:26.44 | tpo | jhutchins_lt, no, I added: "me ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: /bin/chvt 7" in the middle of the file |
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| 20:27.05 | jhutchins_lt | tpo: Did you use visudo? |
| 20:27.28 | superlinux | k3rmat60, i found the --rate option |
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| 20:28.21 | jhutchins_lt | k3rmat60: Not sure what to suggest then. Go ye forth and google! |
| 20:29.17 | tpo | Arrowmaster, jhutchins_lt my sudoers file looks like this: http://pastie.org/1709979 |
| 20:29.28 | tpo | I am not member of the sudoers group |
| 20:29.46 | kingsley | superlinux: I suggest running vlc with an option that reports warnings and errors more verbosely, and then either searching Google's indicies for the verbose message in double quotes, or asking on an IRC channel dedicated to vlc or linux video. Two IRC channels are: #vlc and #videolan on freenode. |
| 20:29.51 | k3rmat60 | jhutchins: Haha, about 3 hours of googling is always what I do before I get here! Thanks anyway... what gets me is that it was fine in Etch, something in Lenny broke it, and its continued into Squeeze... |
| 20:29.56 | tpo | however unless I move the pete line to the end of the file I'm not able to execute chvt without a password prompt |
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| 20:30.12 | tpo | I can't see that any other lines in the file would match 'pete' |
| 20:30.18 | tpo | ? |
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| 20:31.00 | kingsley | superlinux: Running vlc with the "-v 2" option may reveal something interesting. |
| 20:31.05 | superlinux | ok |
| 20:31.47 | superlinux | kingsley, what would it be? |
| 20:31.57 | superlinux | cos i issued the command |
| 20:31.59 | tpo | jhutchins_lt using visudo didn't change anything |
| 20:32.11 | superlinux | eats a carrot |
| 20:32.38 | kingsley | superlinux: I do not understand your question "What would it be?" Please elaborate on "it". |
| 20:32.51 | k3rmat60 | superlinux: I am not REALLY sure but |
| 20:33.05 | superlinux | kingsley, what would the interesting be? |
| 20:33.10 | k3rmat60 | superlinux: '--rate 1' |
| 20:33.13 | tpo | is that a bug in sudo or a bug in the manpage or am I too stupid to read the manpage or is it too complex to understand? |
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| 20:33.47 | superlinux | it's still fast |
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| 20:33.57 | superlinux | and hickups |
| 20:34.05 | kingsley | superlinux: I suggest looking through vlc's verbose output for any messages that mention sound, audio, rate, error, warning, etc... |
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| 20:34.10 | kingsley | needs to go soon. |
| 20:34.14 | superlinux | ok |
| 20:34.47 | Bushmills | tpo: you're the only user on that system? |
| 20:34.56 | oultaw | I believe df is displaying incorrect data on a dmraid raid 0 array is there another command I could use |
| 20:35.05 | enterneo | how do I install msttcorefonts on debian? |
| 20:35.52 | kingsley | oultaw: Maybe du, but it's different and slower. |
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| 20:36.24 | tpo | argh I *am* member of the sudo group |
| 20:37.11 | MrFrood | enterneo: aptitude search msttcorefonts |
| 20:37.17 | Bushmills | enterneo: aptitude install ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
| 20:37.25 | tpo | that probably means that the last line overrides the NOPASSWD: line. It seems to have an implicit PASSWD: in it :-( |
| 20:37.39 | enterneo | Bushmills: it cannot find it |
| 20:37.42 | MrFrood | Bushmills: you are making it too easy ;) |
| 20:37.46 | Bushmills | ,versions ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
| 20:37.47 | judd | Package ttf-mscorefonts-installer on i386 -- lenny/contrib: 2.7; sid/contrib: 3.3; squeeze/contrib: 3.3; wheezy/contrib: 3.3 |
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| 20:38.05 | Bushmills | enterneo: fix your sources.list |
| 20:38.21 | oultaw | cfdisk shows I have a 150 GB partition yet df shows 97% used this is simply not possible |
| 20:38.26 | MrFrood | enterneo: make sure you have contrib & noon-free enabled in your sources.list |
| 20:38.37 | enterneo | okay, let me check |
| 20:38.40 | enterneo | MrFrood: ^ |
| 20:38.42 | MrFrood | *non-free |
| 20:38.57 | Bushmills | contrib |
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| 20:39.22 | jhutchins_lt | oultaw: du |
| 20:39.42 | jhutchins_lt | oultaw: What's on it? |
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| 20:40.44 | jimmyhendrix | This new squezze is pretty nice |
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| 20:41.00 | jimmyhendrix | Does anyone know if it supports 1200x780 HD monitors? |
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| 20:41.52 | enterneo | MrFrood: Bushmills done, thanks! |
| 20:41.59 | MrFrood | jimmyhendrix: support what your graphic card does most of the time |
| 20:42.29 | jimmyhendrix | MrFrood, yeap. I had a helluva time getting lenny to detect my Intel Video card |
| 20:42.50 | MrFrood | usn an xorg.conf file |
| 20:42.54 | MrFrood | *use |
| 20:42.56 | jimmyhendrix | Finally I was able to force it to use the intel drivers, but I wasn't able to get sound |
| 20:43.04 | jimmyhendrix | ALsA just refused to work |
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| 20:43.15 | macrobat | !oss |
| 20:43.15 | dpkg | methinks oss is an acronym for Open Source Software, coined by Vinod Valloppillil in the first <Halloween> document. Also an acronym for Open Sound System, ask me about <oss4>; for OSS compatiblity in <ALSA>, see <aoss>, <devdsp>. |
| 20:43.24 | MrFrood | !alsactl |
| 20:43.24 | dpkg | In Squeeze and later releases, <alsaconf> is not available; ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. You can try to configure <ALSA> by running 'alsactl init' as root - ignoring the 'Unknown hardware' error message - then reboot and test your audio device. |
| 20:43.35 | MrFrood | I use oss4 |
| 20:43.37 | oultaw | I not quite sure of your meaning jhutchins ... sorry for crude use of irc not familiar with program |
| 20:43.46 | superlinux | to be frank I am looking for sound enhancement plugin for any of the players. of course with me other than vlc |
| 20:43.52 | jimmyhendrix | oss4 ? |
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| 20:44.11 | streuner | sure, OSS4 is in Debian :-) |
| 20:44.16 | jimmyhendrix | How come they didn't add firefox this time? |
| 20:44.29 | MrFrood | jimmyhendrix: see the above factoid on oss |
| 20:44.30 | jimmyhendrix | I suppose I'll have to install it myself |
| 20:44.49 | pipeline | whoa I didn't know oss4 was in debian now |
| 20:44.53 | jimmyhendrix | MrFrood, will do |
| 20:44.54 | pipeline | that's pretty awesome for certain cards |
| 20:44.59 | MrFrood | streuner: is is in debian |
| 20:45.00 | jimmyhendrix | I like the new setup |
| 20:45.01 | streuner | yean |
| 20:45.06 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.08 | MrFrood | *it is |
| 20:45.09 | jimmyhendrix | Except the login Window |
| 20:45.13 | jimmyhendrix | I'll change that |
| 20:45.13 | streuner | MrFrood: yes |
| 20:45.26 | streuner | dpkg, info oss4-base |
| 20:46.02 | MrFrood | and on my hardware sound a lot better than alsa |
| 20:46.10 | streuner | MrFrood: but it work only for .32 kernels, newer just sucks, because 2004 isnt in Debian |
| 20:46.11 | dpkg | oss4-base: (Open Sound System - base package), section sound, is optional. Version: 4.2-build2003-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 575 kB, Installed size: 1060 kB |
| 20:46.14 | MrFrood | I use oss4 & jack1 |
| 20:46.19 | jimmyhendrix | MrFrood, what type of sound card do you have? |
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| 20:46.41 | MrFrood | just the built in ac3 |
| 20:46.51 | streuner | intel, what else? :-P |
| 20:46.55 | jimmyhendrix | Integrated intel |
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| 20:47.20 | jimmyhendrix | ALSA wouldn't work for my Intel vid card -_- |
| 20:47.21 | streuner | alsa sucks with intel |
| 20:47.26 | MrFrood | it's a 10 year old machine |
| 20:47.30 | jimmyhendrix | Indeed |
| 20:47.31 | streuner | hm |
| 20:47.40 | Bushmills | jimmyhendrix: alsa doesn't support video cards |
| 20:47.41 | jimmyhendrix | MrFrood, I guess that's why it works |
| 20:47.49 | jimmyhendrix | Because my laptop is brand new |
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| 20:47.54 | MrFrood | and works well :D |
| 20:47.56 | cahoot | streuner: 'alsa sucks with intel' exactly how? |
| 20:48.13 | jimmyhendrix | Bushmills, really? I thought they were for sound |
| 20:48.19 | smacnay | should look at oss4 again - it didn't really work well the last time he tried it. |
| 20:48.37 | Canar | hdmi-out means the video card handles digital sound also |
| 20:49.07 | jimmyhendrix | Ah, i just read what I typed |
| 20:49.08 | streuner | cahoot: well, AD1986A isnt supported by ALSA some years |
| 20:49.26 | jimmyhendrix | Yeah alsa wouldn't work for my Intel _sound_ card |
| 20:49.29 | smacnay | problem is - audio is working alright now and there is no need to alter |
| 20:50.03 | jimmyhendrix | Was forced to use lenny in a virtual environment |
| 20:50.08 | jimmyhendrix | As I am with squeeze |
| 20:50.23 | cahoot | jimmyhendrix: sound implausible |
| 20:50.26 | jimmyhendrix | I'm reluctant to scrap 7 to test it's hardware support |
| 20:50.31 | gtklocker | jimmyhendrix: Give me your guitar! |
| 20:50.34 | oultaw | jhutchins may I open I private chat window with you? |
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| 20:50.42 | jimmyhendrix | plays a tune for gtklocker |
| 20:50.49 | gtklocker | :) |
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| 20:51.13 | jhutchins_lt | oultaw: I prefer to discuss things here where other people can pitch in, but it's ok if you want to. |
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| 20:51.59 | jimmyhendrix | Someone offering to go pvt in a technical channel? |
| 20:52.08 | jimmyhendrix | Now I've seen everything |
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| 20:52.26 | jhutchins_lt | oultaw: BTW if you open a chat with jhutchins instead of jhutchins_lt I won't see it until I get home from the feed store. |
| 20:52.52 | pipeline | smacnay: oss4 is only worth using if your hardware is inadequately supported by ALSA. For most people and purposes, in 2011, there's not a lot of advantage to oss4. |
| 20:53.08 | pipeline | smacnay: back when OSS was actually substantially better than ALSA, they wanted you to give them money for their drivers, which says it all. |
| 20:53.43 | streuner | pipleline: you are right, if you using newer kernels (.32) |
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| 20:54.03 | streuner | but otherwise, you can use OSS4 without headaches |
| 20:54.08 | MrFrood | pipeline: oo4 is generally held in higher regard than alsa in the audiophile community |
| 20:54.15 | jimmyhendrix | !alsactl |
| 20:54.15 | dpkg | In Squeeze and later releases, <alsaconf> is not available; ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. You can try to configure <ALSA> by running 'alsactl init' as root - ignoring the 'Unknown hardware' error message - then reboot and test your audio device. |
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| 20:54.22 | MrFrood | *oss4 |
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| 20:54.54 | streuner | pipeline: in Debian, because of 2004-build... |
| 20:54.56 | jimmyhendrix | If squeeze doesn't have alsa then what's being used for sound? |
| 20:55.01 | jimmyhendrix | oss4 ? |
| 20:55.01 | oultaw | when I run the command du -ch / .... total is 11G (I'm reasonably certain that the root partition is 150G GB ) so why is df showing 97% used? |
| 20:55.12 | Arrowmaster | jimmyhendrix: squeeze does have alsa |
| 20:55.20 | streuner | jimmyhendrix: usually you use just ALSA |
| 20:55.21 | MrFrood | is working without a spellchecker :( |
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| 20:55.27 | cahoot | jimmyhendrix: alsa comes with the kernel so ... |
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| 20:55.39 | oultaw | perhaps the dmraid driver is confusing df? |
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| 20:55.40 | jimmyhendrix | So it's not enabled? |
| 20:55.44 | Arrowmaster | it is |
| 20:55.48 | cahoot | of courese it it |
| 20:55.53 | mrdeb | how do you enable suspend option when you didnt install with swap |
| 20:55.54 | streuner | for OSS4 you use a tric... - dkms |
| 20:55.57 | cahoot | of course it is |
| 20:56.17 | jimmyhendrix | <dpkg> In Squeeze and later releases, <alsaconf> is not available; <-- Explain ;o) |
| 20:56.35 | streuner | judd, file alsaconf |
| 20:56.37 | Arrowmaster | thats talking about alsaconf |
| 20:56.38 | cahoot | not relevant |
| 20:56.38 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 20:56.49 | streuner | yeah |
| 20:56.55 | Arrowmaster | an old way to configure alsa that is not supported anymore |
| 20:56.57 | streuner | they just throw alsaconf out |
| 20:57.01 | jimmyhendrix | So have there been any improvements with this release ? |
| 20:57.06 | mrdeb | alsaconf is a subset of alsa, not alsa itself. |
| 20:57.10 | jimmyhendrix | Regarding sound |
| 20:57.12 | cahoot | read the release notes? |
| 20:57.22 | jimmyhendrix | Nah =P |
| 20:57.26 | Arrowmaster | mrdeb: i dont think its part of alsa at all anymore |
| 20:57.32 | mrdeb | no? good |
| 20:57.51 | jimmyhendrix | I'm just interested if I can get sound this time around |
| 20:58.02 | jimmyhendrix | Everything else works |
| 20:58.03 | streuner | uses just OSS4, it just works (TM) :-P |
| 20:58.13 | jimmyhendrix | Maybe this one is more Dell friendly |
| 20:58.16 | cahoot | jimmyhendrix: you say lenny gives you sound but not squeeze? |
| 20:58.17 | streuner | for all chipsets |
| 20:58.23 | mrdeb | who has installed 64 bit squeeze? any issues? |
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| 20:58.32 | jimmyhendrix | cahoot, no I'm saying lenny did _not_ give me sound |
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| 20:58.42 | smacnay | mrdeb, none for me. |
| 20:58.53 | jimmyhendrix | Using my intel HD sound card that is |
| 20:58.54 | mrdeb | ok smacnay thanks |
| 20:59.09 | jimmyhendrix | Newer brighter things, Debian seems to be lacking |
| 20:59.12 | streuner | jimmyhendrix: ok, we told you how to solve this problem |
| 20:59.27 | streuner | nah |
| 20:59.29 | jimmyhendrix | streuner, I've solved the problem 2 years ago |
| 20:59.32 | streuner | its a intel issue |
| 20:59.34 | jimmyhendrix | Actually |
| 20:59.35 | streuner | ok |
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| 20:59.42 | mrdeb | intel drivers so suck |
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| 21:00.11 | jimmyhendrix | I was just wondering if I could get sound with _squeeze_ |
| 21:00.31 | mrdeb | why dont you ha esound? |
| 21:00.32 | jimmyhendrix | I'm certainly not inclined to scrap my host OS to find out |
| 21:00.32 | justin | jimmyhendrix: yes. |
| 21:00.39 | justin | jimmyhendrix: that's what live cds are for |
| 21:00.50 | justin | mrdeb: no one should have esound |
| 21:00.54 | jimmyhendrix | justin, and virtual guests :) |
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| 21:01.05 | justin | jimmyhendrix: virtual guests do not help you determine if your sound card will work |
| 21:01.11 | oultaw | sorry jhutchins my disconnected my keyboard -:) |
| 21:01.19 | jimmyhendrix | Indeed, but it certainly serves the purpose |
| 21:01.28 | justin | jimmyhendrix: what purpose? |
| 21:01.41 | jimmyhendrix | For all my Linux needs. |
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| 21:02.00 | jimmyhendrix | I've been told by other debian users that newer hardware isn't supported well |
| 21:02.08 | jimmyhendrix | So I just use VBox |
| 21:02.13 | justin | jimmyhendrix: depends how "new" is new |
| 21:02.14 | jimmyhendrix | And all is well |
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| 21:02.36 | mrdeb | jimmyhendrix: you can say that about linux in general |
| 21:02.36 | streuner | true |
| 21:02.38 | oultaw | du -ch shows 11GB for the root file system which is on a partition I believe is 150GB so why is df showing 97% usage? |
| 21:02.38 | justin | you can say that about any OS |
| 21:02.42 | jimmyhendrix | mrdeb, possibly |
| 21:03.03 | jimmyhendrix | mrdeb, but I've installed Debian lennny on IBM Thinkpads and had no hardware issue |
| 21:03.05 | justin | oultaw: large deleted files still in use |
| 21:03.23 | justin | thinkpads tend to use standard hardware components with well written drivers |
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| 21:03.31 | jimmyhendrix | This time I installed on a Dell Inspiron and the normal default compatibility went out the window |
| 21:03.33 | streuner | jimmyhendrix: seems to be very new hardware then :-P |
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| 21:03.51 | Miesco | How do you select which init scripts to startup on boot? |
| 21:04.09 | justin | Miesco: the easy way is to uninstall the things you do not want to start |
| 21:04.11 | jimmyhendrix | streuner, well yes. This dell is only a year old |
| 21:04.24 | jimmyhendrix | When I bought it from the manufacture they had just released it |
| 21:04.27 | Miesco | justin: uninstall apache? |
| 21:04.33 | justin | Miesco: sure |
| 21:04.47 | control | quick question: in lenny, is the prebuilt kernel (version 2.6.26-2) configured by default to support multicast and PIM? |
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| 21:05.34 | justin | jimmyhendrix: lenny was released in 2009, I would not expect a laptop made in 2010 to work perfectly |
| 21:05.48 | jimmyhendrix | Yup |
| 21:05.52 | justin | lenny + backported 2.6 kernel would probably work fully though |
| 21:05.58 | jimmyhendrix | Which is why I had to resort to virtualism |
| 21:06.15 | oultaw | justin I'm thinking that is inconstancy is either my own inexperience with dmraid or a problem with df |
| 21:06.17 | jimmyhendrix | But it's all good. I still get to use Linux |
| 21:06.31 | jimmyhendrix | Plus my other OS |
| 21:07.01 | Miesco | In aptitude apache has the A flag, how do I find out what package brought it in? |
| 21:07.20 | oultaw | is there some command I could use to show the size of the dmraid partition other than cfdisk? |
| 21:07.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | Miesco: aptitude why apache2 |
| 21:08.58 | Miesco | Kamping_Kaiser: rtgui depends on apache or httpd, but I use lighttpd |
| 21:09.27 | Arrowmaster | lighttpd should provide the httpd package |
| 21:09.33 | Arrowmaster | so you should be able to remove apache |
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| 21:11.23 | Miesco | oh shit |
| 21:11.33 | Miesco | okay I deleted rtgui |
| 21:11.43 | Miesco | I will have to install it again |
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| 21:13.02 | Miesco | I have no package "httpd" |
| 21:13.18 | Arrowmaster | but you have lighttpd installed? |
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| 21:13.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | Miesco: its a virtualpackage on debian systems |
| 21:14.10 | themill | ,rprovides httpd |
| 21:14.11 | judd | Package httpd in squeeze/i386 is provided by: yaws, aolserver4-core, aolserver4-daemon, apache2-mpm-event, apache2-mpm-itk, apache2-mpm-prefork, apache2-mpm-worker, boa, bozohttpd, cherokee, dhttpd, ebhttpd, lighttpd, mathopd, micro-httpd, mini-httpd, monkey, nginx, ocsigen, thttpd, tntnet, webfs. |
| 21:14.18 | k3rmat60 | jhutchins: If you are still here, I am about to try compiling lprng from source, how would I tell it to install elsewhere so it doesn't conflict with cups-client |
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| 21:15.40 | Miesco | I think I got it |
| 21:15.45 | Miesco | httpd is installed |
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| 21:16.10 | k3rmat60 | aww he's gone... anyone else know how I can tell apt to ignore dependency issues between two packages that I have installed so that I can continue to use apt(itude) to update and install other packages? |
| 21:16.15 | oultaw | k3mrat60 .... I think you use the --prefix option with configure |
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| 21:17.19 | k3rmat60 | outlaw: so like a --prefix=/opt |
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| 21:17.46 | Miesco | How do I configure a package> |
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| 21:18.04 | Miesco | I saw rtgui -configure |
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| 21:18.14 | Miesco | What command takes those args |
| 21:18.53 | mutante | k3rmat60: i dont think you want to do that, but to be honest there is a "force" option to apt... |
| 21:19.24 | Miesco | /var/lib/dpkg/info/rtgui.postinst: 40: a2enmod: not found |
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| 21:19.31 | Miesco | dpkg: error processing rtgui (--configure): |
| 21:19.31 | dpkg | miesco: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 21:19.33 | drzed | re |
| 21:20.16 | drzed | grub.cfg if wrong (squeeze) there is hd1 istead of hd0 |
| 21:20.25 | drzed | how do correct that? |
| 21:20.51 | drzed | editing this file is not a good idea - as it is auto generated |
| 21:20.51 | Arrowmaster | which version of grub? |
| 21:20.54 | drzed | grub2 |
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| 21:21.04 | oultaw | k3rmat60 more like --prefix=/usr/local (not an expert get a second opinion but this what I use) |
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| 21:21.19 | Arrowmaster | didnt the numbering change in grub2 |
| 21:21.52 | mutante | using uuids now? |
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| 21:22.06 | drzed | no |
| 21:22.28 | zgedneil | drzed: the source for the generation process is /etc/default/grub, but I'm not sure how much control you'll get from there |
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| 21:22.54 | oultaw | are you building from source you have downloaded k3mat60 |
| 21:23.54 | drzed | zgedneil: well i figgured this out by now, however there is no hd1 in this file (nor in /etc/grub.d |
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| 21:25.37 | tweek_ | enny->squeeze | /msg dpkg new website |
| 21:25.37 | tweek_ | 22:13 < themill> ,rprovides httpd |
| 21:26.16 | tweek_ | oops sorry. fucking mouse |
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| 21:26.33 | Miesco | rtgui depends on apache2 | httpd, but when I hit + on the package it adds apache2 to install even though I have httpd alreaDY |
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| 21:26.50 | themill | Miesco: how do you "have httpd"? |
| 21:27.47 | Miesco | themill: ITS highlightded |
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| 21:29.27 | zgedneil | drzed: poking around the grub docs suggests you may have a broken device map file |
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| 21:29.44 | zgedneil | apparently you make that with grub-mkdevicemap |
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| 21:29.50 | Miesco | hmm |
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| 21:30.05 | Miesco | I guess apt is broken |
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| 21:31.26 | zgedneil | drzed: ah, you can edit it directly, /boot/grub/device.map - I'm not sure if update-grub would clobber it or not though |
| 21:31.57 | Thermi | gn8 |
| 21:32.54 | LinuxGuy2009 | I have an offline machine with all 8 DVD repository discs and I would love to be able to use the nice software center with them once in a while. But when I try to install anything it says "The action would require the installation of packages from not authenticated sources." Is there a workaround to give software center permission to do this? |
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| 21:34.08 | witchdoc | hi all |
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| 21:35.01 | mrdeb | hi |
| 21:35.09 | Miesco | http://paste.debian.net/111884/ Heres what happends when I try to install rtgui |
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| 21:39.37 | Miesco | lighttpd doesn't have mod_scgi? |
| 21:40.13 | chrisign | how can I change the PW for harddisk encryption? |
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| 21:41.20 | k3rmat60 | the 'dpkg -i --force-conflicts,overwrite <package>' works to install the packages but once installed I cannot use apt to get updates or other packages |
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| 21:42.00 | themill | k3rmat60: force is never the right option |
| 21:42.04 | k3rmat60 | I know... |
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| 21:42.29 | k3rmat60 | so I know the conflict is where the lprng package uses simlarly named binaries to cups |
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| 21:43.17 | k3rmat60 | and they want to install to the same location by default, so can I use the -prefix=/usr/local when compiling from source to tell it to go elsewhere? |
| 21:43.31 | k3rmat60 | where it won't overwrite the other binaries? |
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| 21:47.34 | sile | Hi, I'm using Debian Squeeze and I have a problem with the Nvidia driver. I've reinstalled it but Xorg log says it failed to initialize the nvidia kernel module. Any tips? :-/ |
| 21:47.58 | tgies | oops |
| 21:48.20 | tgies | if I sent control@b.d.o an html mail (i know, i know) by accident is it just going to throw it out |
| 21:48.55 | tgies | nm it ignored the html part |
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| 21:52.08 | Miesco | How do I reset a package to its default configuration? |
| 21:52.14 | Miesco | default files |
| 21:54.06 | abrotman | !confnew |
| 21:54.06 | dpkg | [confnew] dpkg --force-confnew will force dpkg to overwrite any changes you have made to conffiles. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall <packagename>. See also <confmiss>. |
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| 21:55.33 | Miesco | How do I search in installed packages? |
| 21:55.35 | ZykoticK9 | sile, how did you install the Nvidia driver? My personal install notes at http://paste.debian.net/111886 |
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| 21:56.18 | Miesco | I figured it out with a guess |
| 21:56.29 | Miesco | aptitude search '~i'apache |
| 21:56.35 | chrisign | hello, I want to set a new password for my filesystem encryption, how can I do this? |
| 21:56.43 | Miesco | I have no apache packages installed but I still have appache.... |
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| 21:57.53 | sile | ZykoticK9, I followed the debian tutorial, the debian way section ( module assitant and stuff ) |
| 21:58.12 | chrisign | Ahhh, maybe it is with cryptsetup? |
| 21:58.14 | ZykoticK9 | sile, ya me too? Sorry man, I'm no help. |
| 21:58.21 | abrotman | Miesco: dpkg -l "*apache*" |
| 21:58.50 | sile | thanks anyway ZykoticK9 =) |
| 22:00.09 | Miesco | Can I make aptitude filter packages? |
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| 22:01.37 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:01.49 | Miesco | in apttidue how do I filter all files apache witht he flag "c" |
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| 22:02.32 | Tekku | Boas pessoal | Good night all |
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| 22:03.06 | tgies | i know i know this and i feel dumb for asking it |
| 22:03.25 | tgies | how do i see what package brought in some other package as a dependency |
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| 22:04.22 | LinuxGuy2009 | I would like to use VLC wallpaper mode to use some looped dreamscene videos, I was wondering if there is any command line flag to start it up with the control window minimized or disabled completely at launch? |
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| 22:07.15 | themill | Miesco: is "aptitude search ~napache~c" what you're looking for? |
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| 22:08.10 | ZykoticK9 | tgies, perhaps "apt-cache depends foo" or "apt-cache rdepends foo" might help ya? |
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| 22:09.00 | MrFrood | LinuxGuy2009: "vlc |
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| 22:09.41 | MrFrood | try that again... LinuxGuy2009: vlc --longhelp --advanced |
| 22:09.58 | LinuxGuy2009 | MrFrood: Ok thank you |
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| 22:11.20 | MrFrood | LinuxGuy2009: you might want to pipe that in to a pager |
| 22:11.30 | Henki | hi |
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| 22:11.50 | Henki | I've got a problem with my lvm, hope sb can help me |
| 22:12.15 | Henki | one of my hds died and now i cant restore my data on the first pv |
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| 22:13.05 | Henki | pvscan |
| 22:13.06 | Henki | Couldn't find device with uuid 'fCMtfn-Y1ry-0l6c-5ajT-wOpt-Emj6-K4pfJV'. |
| 22:13.08 | Henki | Couldn't find device with uuid 'fCMtfn-Y1ry-0l6c-5ajT-wOpt-Emj6-K4pfJV'. |
| 22:13.11 | Henki | PV /dev/sda4 VG lvm lvm2 [918,93 GB / 0 free] |
| 22:13.13 | Henki | PV unknown device VG lvm lvm2 [931,51 GB / 0 free] |
| 22:13.15 | LinuxGuy2009 | MrFrood:Hmm I don't see any option for start minimized or anything like that. I see a "start as daemon" but no idea what that means. |
| 22:13.43 | Henki | thats what it keeps telling me... would anybody mind helping me? :( |
| 22:13.55 | MrFrood | LinuxGuy2009: try it & find out |
| 22:14.22 | LinuxGuy2009 | MrFrood: ok |
| 22:14.49 | Zao | That's a rather innovative interpretation of the term "UUID". |
| 22:15.02 | zgedneil | well it's certainly unique |
| 22:15.19 | Henki | :) |
| 22:15.50 | Henki | is there any way i can only "mount" the working pv? |
| 22:15.59 | Henki | to check which data is still there |
| 22:16.12 | MrFrood | LinuxGuy2009: --qt-minimal-view |
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| 22:17.04 | LinuxGuy2009 | MrFrood:k ill try that |
| 22:17.17 | philluminati | Hi guys. I'm in trouble. Just installed debian. Chose all the default options (except I manually set up partitions) |
| 22:17.29 | philluminati | Now the machine boots to a grub prompt |
| 22:17.41 | philluminati | Nothing there |
| 22:18.13 | philluminati | I think I know what's happenned...debian has gotten sda/sdb confused and installed the kernel to the wrong location |
| 22:18.23 | philluminati | sorry, installed "grub" to the wrong master boot record |
| 22:18.41 | philluminati | Now what I think I'm seeing is the copy of grub from the previous Fedora install |
| 22:18.59 | philluminati | ... how would I go about fixing this, or booting into debian? |
| 22:19.17 | abrotman | did you try the grub command line ? |
| 22:19.22 | MrFrood | philluminati: did you install grub to the mbr? |
| 22:19.26 | philluminati | yeah |
| 22:19.49 | philluminati | the grub command line is here. I expected to able to do "root hd(0,0)" |
| 22:19.53 | philluminati | but it doesn't work |
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| 22:20.57 | LinuxGuy2009 | MrFrood: Hmm still shows the window, but hides its menus. |
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| 22:22.36 | MrFrood | LinuxGuy2009: the first command I gave you lists all the options |
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| 22:23.02 | MrFrood | LinuxGuy2009: can mplayer do the root window thing? |
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| 22:23.10 | Griob | how to find the version of git i have installed |
| 22:23.11 | Griob | ? |
| 22:23.29 | Henki | nvm, gotta get some sleep |
| 22:23.30 | Henki | nite |
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| 22:24.21 | abrotman | Griob: it doesn't hvae a -v or --version flag ? |
| 22:24.28 | magyar | hi, is there a way to use DNS local and VPN when connected to VPN ? |
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| 22:25.00 | philluminati | Ok...it's booting now... |
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| 22:25.42 | philluminati | No! The kernel won't boot. It says "Gave up waiting for root device" |
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| 22:27.07 | MrFrood | LinuxGuy2009: try mplayer with the -rootwin option |
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| 22:33.16 | MrFrood | LinuxGuy2009: mplayer -rootwin -nogui shold do the trick |
| 22:33.26 | MrFrood | *should |
| 22:33.32 | Griob | if i fork a repo of my own from github to my local computer (because it was started on another computer) how can i then push the changes to the same repo? |
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| 22:36.19 | Miesco | How do I hold an uninstalled package? |
| 22:37.57 | k3rmat60 | Miesco: 'echo "<package> hold" | dpkg --set-selections' |
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| 22:39.50 | babilen | wonder what Miesco meant by that ... |
| 22:40.55 | MrFrood | probably just could not find words to express his gratitude |
| 22:41.38 | babilen | no, rather: "what does it mean to put an uninstalled package on hold?" |
| 22:41.59 | MrFrood | blacklist? |
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| 22:42.30 | LinuxGuy2009 | MrFood: --qt-start-minimized did the trick! woohoo |
| 22:42.47 | MrFrood | LinuxGuy2009: YAY! |
| 22:42.49 | LinuxGuy2009 | MrFood: Thanks for your help |
| 22:43.28 | MrFrood | LinuxGuy2009: you did most of the work but happy to point you in the right direction :) |
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| 22:43.32 | babilen | MrFrood: well, "holding" a package will not prevent it from being installed. Hence my question .. |
| 22:44.08 | MrFrood | I know - it was a strange question... |
| 22:44.11 | LinuxGuy2009 | MrFrood: I wanted this so I can set a startup a animated and loopable video like DreamScenes at startup and never have to see VLC.Very cool. |
| 22:44.39 | MrFrood | LinuxGuy2009: it sounds kewl |
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| 22:58.41 | chovy | is debian sid stable yet? |
| 22:59.10 | rooisto47 | sid is for freaky users ! |
| 22:59.12 | abrotman | it never will be? |
| 22:59.22 | abrotman | chovy: you mean squeeze? |
| 22:59.30 | rooisto47 | (freaky in good way) |
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| 23:00.09 | LinuxGuy2009 | MrFrood: I made a command line that sets VLC to default options and then I list all of the specific settings that I want in order to have video wallpaper. The only thing Im not sure if its possible is to have the desktop icons show over top of the video. Or to send the video to the back. Any idea on that? |
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| 23:03.55 | ragnar76 | hi all |
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| 23:04.55 | ragnar76 | how do i find out which file ( /usr/bin/test for example ) belongs to which package? |
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| 23:05.46 | dserban | Is there an up-to-date method for encrypting USB block devices (keys, hard drives etc.)? I'm unclear as to how to keep it "dumbed down", ie. plug the usb stick in and gnome would ask you for the passphrase to decrypt the contents and mount the partition? I'm sure this is possible, but LUKS looks deprecated ... or not? |
| 23:05.59 | MrFrood | LinuxGuy2009: it would depend on your WM but normally something in the root window would be below the icons but some wm's (hello metacity) do funny things with the root window |
| 23:06.26 | ragnar76 | dserban: you can use truecrypt for example |
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| 23:06.58 | cantido | dserban: use the luks stuff |
| 23:06.59 | MrFrood | LinuxGuy2009: it might also be worth trying mplayer if vlc does not give the desired effect |
| 23:07.16 | cantido | dserban: with kde at least the mounter allows you to do unlocking etc from a nice GUI |
| 23:07.30 | dserban | ragnar76, doesn't look like there's a package for truecrypt. |
| 23:07.47 | dserban | cantido, ok, I'll try that. |
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| 23:08.25 | ragnar76 | dserban: look at their webpage http://www.truecrypt.org |
| 23:08.40 | Arrowmaster | trurcrypt cant be packaged by linux distros |
| 23:08.49 | cantido | ragnar76: why use truecrypt when linux has perfectly good tools already? |
| 23:08.55 | Arrowmaster | !truecrypt |
| 23:08.55 | dpkg | TrueCrypt is a <non-free> (under DFSG's definitions) implementation of on-the-fly disk encryption that also attempts plausible deniability, something not found in other OTFE systems like <EncFS> and <LUKS>. Not in Debian, RFP in bug #413070. http://forums.truecrypt.org/ http://www.truecrypt.org/ |
| 23:09.07 | cantido | truecrypt on windows can mount luks volumes too IIRC |
| 23:09.16 | ragnar76 | cantido: for portability |
| 23:09.33 | warpzero | i am following the lenny->squeeze procedure in the manual / same procedure dpkg suggests; but i cant install udev due to dependency conflicts |
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| 23:09.41 | warpzero | what should i do |
| 23:09.55 | cantido | ragnar76: ... truecrypt on windows can mount luks volumes.. you need an fs driver though |
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| 23:11.45 | somatic | could someone give me a sha256 sum of the iso presented on debian.org for the i386/amd64 netinstall cd? |
| 23:11.55 | ragnar76 | cantido: i dont know luks. truecrypt was a first shot and "for example" |
| 23:11.57 | dserban | while I can assume that truecrypt may be better, I prefer something available in debian. I plan on encrypting offsite backups and only I need access to them. |
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| 23:13.00 | warpzero | i use luks |
| 23:13.01 | yagoo | somatic, should be online |
| 23:13.17 | somatic | yagoo: I'm sort of at a disadvantage right now when it comes to getting that info :\ |
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| 23:13.29 | yagoo | somatic, u online now? |
| 23:13.31 | somatic | also I want to make sure my ISP is not screwing with me |
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| 23:13.51 | yagoo | somatic, i'm on your local network right? |
| 23:13.52 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: reconfigure |
| 23:13.52 | dpkg | well, reconfigure is really dpkg-reconfigure <pkg> |
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| 23:14.32 | somatic | yagoo: uh, no |
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| 23:17.38 | yagoo | somatic, actually i'm a ghost in your machine |
| 23:17.39 | yagoo | :p |
| 23:18.51 | somatic | yagoo: dude you're freaking me out ;-; |
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| 23:20.42 | MrFrood | can't quite believe he's doing this but points yagoo and somatic towards #debian-offtopic |
| 23:21.45 | MrFrood | is normally the one to get sent to offtopic |
| 23:23.17 | warpzero | so i'm at the "install udev" part of the lenny->squeeze upgrade |
| 23:23.31 | warpzero | and it wants to upgrade dpkg when i run install udev |
| 23:23.35 | warpzero | is that cool |
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| 23:28.05 | LinuxGuy2009 | Are there any settings in VLC to achieve seamless video looping? |
| 23:29.48 | Canar | whpoa |
| 23:29.52 | Canar | whoa* |
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| 23:29.56 | Canar | i just found out about dbndns |
| 23:30.16 | abrotman | warpzero: did you read the release notes/instructions? they're pretty good |
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| 23:31.56 | MrFrood | LinuxGuy2009: I can't help feeling this would be easier with mplayer |
| 23:32.22 | LinuxGuy2009 | MrFrood: Ok Ill check out the help file for mplayer. |
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| 23:34.54 | philluminati | This may be a dumb question but is network-manager not on Debian CD1? |
| 23:35.00 | ion_ | I don't have the manual for gcc in my machine....is that normal ? |
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| 23:35.16 | ion_ | I need lear how to use as soons as possible |
| 23:35.18 | philluminati | because I can't see it in "aptitude search network-manager" and it's the only CD I have |
| 23:35.38 | MrFrood | LinuxGuy2009: mplayer -list-options |
| 23:36.14 | Arrowmaster | philluminati: its not |
| 23:37.13 | MrFrood | LinuxGuy2009: mplayer -rootwin -nogui is a starting point for you |
| 23:37.53 | LinuxGuy2009 | MrFrood: Ive never tried mplayer but read about it a lot of places. Guess its time to try it out. |
| 23:38.38 | themill | dpkg: tell ion_ about gcc-doc |
| 23:38.52 | MrFrood | !mplayer |
| 23:38.52 | dpkg | MPlayer is a movie player for Unix-like systems. Binary codecs can be provided with the package-supplied binary_codecs.sh script or <w32codecs>. For DVD support, ask me about <dvd playback>. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. As an alternative, use a player based on <xine> or <vlc>. Also ask me about <mplayer faq>, <mencoder>. http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ #mplayer on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 23:40.08 | somatic | why do my new hard disks, packed into a tiny case, sound like they're grinding |
| 23:40.51 | somatic | :( |
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| 23:41.51 | jhutchins_lt | somatic: Make backups. |
| 23:42.11 | ion_ | themill: cheers man .. |
| 23:42.16 | somatic | jhutchins_lt: There is nothing on them yet |
| 23:42.25 | somatic | I don't know which one is making the noise. |
| 23:42.32 | ion_ | themill: sorry just another question ... |
| 23:42.47 | MrFrood | somatic: I'd send them back to the store |
| 23:42.49 | jhutchins_lt | somatic: THat might be a good thing to find out. |
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| 23:43.17 | ion_ | themill:I can compile and linked to run in a widows too, becauase my professor is gonna run it on turbo c |
| 23:43.50 | philluminati | Arrowmaster. What should I do? Google for the .deb package, download it a machine, put it on a USB stick, transfer it to the machine I'm trouble with...then install it...see what dependencies are missing and repeat? |
| 23:44.25 | dvs | ion_: Turbo C?!? That's a while back. |
| 23:44.36 | Arrowmaster | you can download the packages by searching for them on packages.debian.org |
| 23:44.45 | ion_ | dvs: yes I know but what can I do ..? |
| 23:44.47 | Arrowmaster | but yeah thats one way to do it |
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| 23:45.46 | dvs | ion_: Come into this century? ;-) |
| 23:45.56 | somatic | jhutchins_lt, MrFrood, well they're both in a RAID1 setup and this is during a debian install. Better time than <some other inopportune time> |
| 23:46.09 | philluminati | What's the best way would you suggest. I'm typing this from a fedora box |
| 23:46.13 | ion_ | dvs: yeah but is not mee but him...lol... |
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| 23:46.48 | ion_ | dvs: and on the top of that a really don't like windows... |
| 23:47.32 | abrotman | philluminati: wait .. why can't you boot debian from fedora's grub ? |
| 23:47.40 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind |
| 23:48.00 | abrotman | philluminati: you only have wifi? |
| 23:48.25 | philluminati | the machine does boot now if I put in the right stuff. |
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| 23:49.27 | jhutchins_lt | somatic: Seriously, don't mess around about returning them. Stores are a lot easier to deal with if you do it soon rather than in 30 days. |
| 23:49.52 | philluminati | Wifi is the only real way I can do this. I don't have any ethernet cables around |
| 23:50.39 | abrotman | philluminati: WPA or WEP ? |
| 23:50.42 | philluminati | The machine I'm typing to you on is an eeepc running fedora. So I can't download and burn debian CD2 now |
| 23:50.45 | philluminati | WEP |
| 23:51.02 | abrotman | philluminati: you can do that from the command line if you have the wireless-tools |
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| 23:51.09 | philluminati | with weak encryption, so I can't manually use wpa_supplicant as written on the site |
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| 23:51.50 | philluminati | yeah I know I have wireless-tools |
| 23:51.51 | abrotman | philluminati: does your wifi work? you just need to know how to configure it ? |
| 23:52.07 | philluminati | It's ath5k and the module is loaded in the kernel too |
| 23:52.19 | somatic | jhutchins_lt: Yes, and I'm within that time period. I just need to figure out which one and I'll do that after install. |
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| 23:53.03 | abrotman | philluminati: okay .. so you can put the lines you need in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:53.42 | abrotman | philluminati: what is the wifi device ? |
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| 23:54.10 | philluminati | wlan0 |
| 23:54.34 | rooisto47 | hi there, need an advice on the network book list a own : which one is the best for understand from the beginning and learn how manipulate networks well ? |
| 23:54.37 | rooisto47 | here is the list |
| 23:54.40 | abrotman | philluminati: so in your interfaces file ... you should already have auto lo\niface lo inet loopback ... right ? |
| 23:54.46 | philluminati | Just googling it now |
| 23:54.51 | philluminati | yeah I got lo |
| 23:55.01 | philluminati | as in loopback |
| 23:55.04 | rooisto47 | http://pastebin.com/FPVa2SyX |
| 23:55.30 | abrotman | philluminati: you will also need "auto wlan0\niface wlan0 inet dhcp\n\t wireless-essid <SSID>\n\twireless-key <your wep key>" |
| 23:56.03 | philluminati | thank you |
| 23:56.07 | philluminati | I'll put that in |
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| 23:59.53 | philluminati | abrotman. Yeah, restarted the network service and it's working. Thank you, massively! |
