| 00:00.02 | philluminati | I really appreciate it |
| 00:00.22 | abrotman | philluminati: you're lucky i'm lazy and don't have any neighbors .. |
| 00:00.29 | abrotman | still using wep instead of wpa :) |
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| 00:02.07 | rooisto47 | any advice on the books list ? |
| 00:02.41 | philluminati | :-) |
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| 00:05.06 | jhutchins_lt | rooisto47: What level of networking? There's the NAG at http://tldp.org. Running Linux from O'Reilly. |
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| 00:07.39 | Seta | Can anybody tell me what i am doing wrong? Oo http://2big4.me/V0DNAq |
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| 00:10.59 | rooisto47 | jhutchins_lt, the first level :) |
| 00:11.41 | rooisto47 | I mean I'm kind of amateur |
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| 00:14.38 | LinuxGuy2009 | In compizconfig-settings-manager what type of file do I need to try out the Cube 3D Model plugin? |
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| 00:15.14 | Bushmills | "type of file"? |
| 00:15.32 | LinuxGuy2009 | Bushmills: 3DS etc? |
| 00:15.53 | Bushmills | none. it is calculated |
| 00:16.48 | LinuxGuy2009 | Bushmills:Why does it have an option to load a file then? |
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| 00:17.13 | Bushmills | background? |
| 00:18.41 | LinuxGuy2009 | Bushmills: I enabled it and set the cube to 25% opacity and there is nothing in it. Im downloading a sample 3ds model and see if it works. |
| 00:21.32 | LinuxGuy2009 | Oh it says in the tooltip 3d wavefront obj |
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| 00:28.39 | philluminati | What should I have in my sources list for debian 6? I can't find vim "full" version, irssi and bunch of other apps. I commented out the CD and enable the example repo and added non-free and contrib and ran apt-get update. Ideas? |
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| 00:30.03 | dvs | philluminati: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
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| 00:30.24 | philluminati | thanks |
| 00:30.28 | dvs | np |
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| 00:31.20 | dvs | philluminati: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 00:31.27 | dvs | that's closer |
| 00:31.35 | alpha^ | Can anybody recommend a good LDAP book? Particularly one that is not implementation-specific as I'm using ApacheDS |
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| 00:35.05 | Leoneof | hi, what's the right command to upgrade ISO from 6.0.0 to 6.0.1a by using jidgo ? |
| 00:35.28 | dvs | Leoneof: you don't |
| 00:35.39 | Leoneof | dvs: why? |
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| 00:35.45 | Leoneof | isn't possible? |
| 00:35.55 | dvs | Leoneof: there is an upgrade iso |
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| 00:36.15 | Leoneof | dvs: i can't download full ISO, oh well... it is 8 DVDs |
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| 00:36.47 | dvs | Leoneof: It is an image of all the packages that have changed since 6.0.0 |
| 00:37.36 | Leoneof | dvs: oh really? that's mean i've to download only upgrade iso? |
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| 00:37.58 | themill | Leoneof: I take it this is for offline use? |
| 00:38.10 | Leoneof | themill: use |
| 00:38.11 | Leoneof | oops |
| 00:38.15 | Leoneof | themill: yes |
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| 00:40.36 | dvs | Leoneof: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/6.0.1a/i386/iso-dvd/debian-update-6.0.1a-i386-DVD-1.iso |
| 00:40.50 | dvs | or whatever platform |
| 00:42.15 | Leoneof | dvs: thanks |
| 00:42.20 | dvs | np |
| 00:43.04 | Leoneof | just curious, why there are jigdo? |
| 00:44.00 | tharkun | !jigdo |
| 00:44.00 | dpkg | [jigdo] Jigsaw Download, *the* method for downloading CD/DVD/BD images of Debian. See "Downloading Debian CD images with jigdo" at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ . http://wiki.debian.org/jigdo http://atterer.org/jigdo/ |
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| 00:45.08 | dvs | Leoneof: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/i386/jigdo-dvd/debian-update-6.0.1a-i386-DVD-1.jigdo |
| 00:45.32 | Leoneof | thanks tharkun. |
| 00:45.37 | dvs | ... |
| 00:47.01 | Leoneof | dvs: this command is correct? : jigdo-lite http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/i386/jigdo-dvd/debian-update-6.0.1a-i386-DVD-1.jigdo |
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| 00:47.52 | dvs | or jigdo-file. one of the two |
| 00:48.17 | Leoneof | oh great, thanks ;) |
| 00:48.21 | ns_debian | I was just installing wheezy on an inspiron 9400 and it said the architecture wasn't supported by the mirror. What is that about? |
| 00:48.25 | dvs | np |
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| 00:51.44 | magyar | hi, is there a way to use local dns and vpn dns separate when connected to VPN ? |
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| 01:01.51 | Bushmills | "seperate"? |
| 01:02.04 | Bushmills | as in, either one, or the other? |
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| 01:20.28 | paq7512 | i can not install my hp1020 because it says - There are 8 missing REQUIRED dependencies. |
| 01:20.42 | paq7512 | Missing REQUIRED dependency: gcc (gcc - GNU Project C and C++ Compiler) |
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| 01:23.52 | MrFrood | paq7512: aptitude install build-essential |
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| 01:24.37 | MrFrood | !build-essential |
| 01:24.38 | dpkg | methinks build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
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| 01:26.34 | paq7512 | installed now getting install python-devel |
| 01:27.46 | nevyn | !qotd49 |
| 01:27.46 | dpkg | <tcsetattr> build-essential contains all of the ... um ... essential stuff. For building. |
| 01:27.56 | MeglaW | dpkg <3 |
| 01:27.56 | dpkg | MeglaW: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 01:27.58 | MrFrood | paq7512: welcome to the joys of compiling |
| 01:28.54 | paq7512 | :) ubuntu auto install, I like this debian more seems more solid, faster too, just some headache at first |
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| 01:30.06 | MrFrood | paq7512: you know about dev files? |
| 01:30.29 | paq7512 | no sir |
| 01:30.37 | MrFrood | sorry, dev packages? |
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| 01:31.09 | paq7512 | no |
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| 01:31.37 | paq7512 | i need to install the nvidia driver too for 3d support but that seems like a nightware :( |
| 01:33.15 | MrFrood | to compile something that depends on a programe provided by package foo you will often have to install the package foo-dev. the dev package contains header files that are only used when compiling. |
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| 01:34.38 | paq7512 | okay |
| 01:35.04 | wolfric | Are there any text editors that can do the splitting of tabs in the window or mirroring (like notepad++) Sadly, gedit seems to be missing this feature and in the mean time i've taken to using notepadd++ on wine |
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| 01:35.38 | MrFrood | paq7512: re nvidia - take a look at http://smxi.org/site/about.htm#sgfxi - it's very unoffical but has always worked for me |
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| 01:36.21 | MrFrood | wolfric: gvim? |
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| 01:43.04 | MrFrood | wolfric: you may also want to take a look at geany |
| 01:44.18 | MrFrood | \quit |
| 01:44.25 | MrFrood | oops |
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| 01:46.45 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i have a hp laptop with squeeze installed on it. sometimes the webcam that's build into the laptop works and sometimes it doesn't and i'm using cheese program to use the cam |
| 01:47.04 | paranoidphreak | anyone know how to resolve this? |
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| 01:48.30 | paranoidphreak | the light next to the cam stays on when the cheese program is open |
| 01:48.42 | paranoidphreak | in either cases |
| 01:49.24 | Bushmills | paranoidphreak: you resolve that by first determining what is wrong, then fix it. |
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| 01:50.14 | paranoidphreak | Bushmills: i don't know what's wrong. there is nothing wrong with the hardware |
| 01:50.53 | Bushmills | in that case, you may want to put careful attention towards how it "doesn't work sometimes" manifests. |
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| 01:51.37 | Bushmills | especially, whether programs you try to use with it give an kind of so-called error messages |
| 01:51.58 | Bushmills | those may bear a clue towards what could be wrong |
| 01:51.58 | paranoidphreak | is there an alternative package to cheese? |
| 01:52.37 | Bushmills | just anything what can read v4l devices. mplayer, for example |
| 01:53.16 | paranoidphreak | Bushmills: ok, i'll run it using the terminal then and see if it shows any error messages |
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| 01:54.23 | paranoidphreak | Bushmills: thanks for the suggestions |
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| 02:11.32 | chovy | what's the easiest way to store a value? |
| 02:11.49 | chovy | i'm not finding many database drivers for node. |
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| 02:13.18 | abrotman | huh? |
| 02:13.25 | abrotman | chovy: did you mean to ask #debian ? |
| 02:14.21 | Bushmills | chovy: foo=5 |
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| 02:15.23 | chovy | woops |
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| 02:28.50 | Keefe | i have a crazy problem... some programs can resolve domain names and some can't. for example, ping can but apt-get can't |
| 02:29.42 | Keefe | i've checked /etc/resolv.conf and it looks fine |
| 02:30.06 | Keefe | don't all programs use the same sys call to resolve names? |
| 02:31.39 | nevyn | Keefe: do you have a proxy defined? |
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| 02:32.08 | Keefe | no proxy. oh, could this be some ipv4 vs ipv6 issue? maybe ping uses one and apt-get the other? |
| 02:32.24 | nevyn | Keefe: possible |
| 02:32.32 | nevyn | Keefe: can host resolve names? |
| 02:32.38 | nevyn | host is the new nslookup btw |
| 02:32.48 | nevyn | host -t AAAA blah.com |
| 02:32.58 | Keefe | ah. i only tried nslookup and it worked. i'll try host now... |
| 02:33.33 | Keefe | host works also |
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| 02:33.54 | Keefe | so far it's just apt-get and some python app that's having trouble resolving |
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| 02:35.30 | debclair | hey, have you noticed firefox 4 looks crappy in debian squeeze 64 bit? does anybody knows how to fix this? |
| 02:35.51 | riot | how do i install debian-archive-keyring in a trustful way? |
| 02:35.52 | paranoyak | i tried on 32 bit but also does not like it anyway |
| 02:36.44 | nevyn | Keefe: host and dig are the "new" dns tools for 10 years or so.. |
| 02:36.52 | paranoyak | still best choice is iceweasel |
| 02:36.57 | nevyn | they're more capable and specific than nslookup |
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| 02:37.14 | riot | packages.debian.org doesn't have ssl - so i can't trust the checksums there :( |
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| 02:37.34 | Keefe | nevyn: how would i determine whether my problem is ipv6 related? |
| 02:37.51 | debclair | paranoyak, i was hoping to use Panorama at last u_u' |
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| 02:38.21 | hotwings | i dont suppose anyone has experienced some problems using kernel 2.6.38.1 with debian testing + mplayer-mt? seems like after i went from 2.6.38 to 2.6.38.1, now half my vob's and mkv's are getting errors.. too many video frames in buffer, bla bla |
| 02:38.32 | nevyn | Keefe: have you configured ipv6? |
| 02:38.44 | hotwings | system too slow... which is bs since i use vdpau |
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| 02:39.19 | Keefe | nevyn: never did anything regarding ipv6. this is a pretty fresh install of debian squeeze amd64 |
| 02:39.41 | riot | There is NO way to get the checksums/keys transmitted via an encrypted connection?! WTF |
| 02:40.34 | nevyn | Keefe: you sure you don't have a http proxy defined ? |
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| 02:41.13 | Keefe | not unless something is setup by default, which is highly unlikely. how would i verify though? |
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| 02:42.25 | nevyn | so ipv6 will be enabled by default but remain unconfigured |
| 02:42.35 | nevyn | oh. |
| 02:42.40 | nevyn | proxy |
| 02:42.44 | nevyn | echo $http_proxy |
| 02:42.48 | nevyn | check that's empty |
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| 02:47.23 | wolfric | What's debian installer, seen in applications -> system tools. It doesn't show anything when run |
| 02:48.10 | wolfric | That isn't the installer that's run from live/install cds is it? |
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| 02:54.27 | holycow | hi guys |
| 02:55.10 | holycow | we are installing debian ona few boxen and noticing that some of the standard repos are now comming up as 'repository is untrusted, would you like to proceed ..' |
| 02:55.29 | holycow | does anyone know if there are problems with repos from the bigger players like pier1? |
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| 02:56.56 | holycow | i guess we must be using be using older cds ... the signed repos must have changed |
| 02:56.58 | holycow | hmmm |
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| 03:01.28 | wolfric | Why does debian insist on putting in the "to be upgraded" list when i deliberatly removed it and don't want it installed on my system. |
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| 03:13.20 | un214 | been so long since my last reboot I forgot what the login sequence looked like |
| 03:14.11 | SushiDude | un214, lol |
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| 03:15.07 | hotwings | is it time for everyone to take out their uptime-penis already? |
| 03:15.32 | DammitJim | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:15.34 | DammitJim | lol |
| 03:15.43 | xk | heh |
| 03:15.55 | xk | I did have access to a box with 1100 days uptime |
| 03:15.56 | DammitJim | I just installed wheezy on this laptop |
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| 03:15.57 | un214 | my uptime's not real I use hibernate liberally |
| 03:16.10 | DammitJim | what does that mean, un214 ? |
| 03:16.38 | un214 | it means most of the time the box is powered down and my session is recorded on disk |
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| 03:27.28 | crapeau | xk: Sometime the only limit of uptime is the electricity supplier |
| 03:27.47 | crapeau | xk: with debian of course |
| 03:28.47 | hotwings | i have a friend who had about 1200 days uptime and got seriously temper-tantrum angry when he had to reboot (harddrive died).. my take on it was who gives a fuck.. seriously |
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| 03:29.00 | hotwings | he was acting like a lunatic about it |
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| 03:30.58 | v_v | 1200days , why |
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| 03:31.27 | nevyn | hotwings: sata disks are hotpluggable. |
| 03:31.30 | nevyn | by design. |
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| 03:33.50 | hesco | Can I grub-install /dev/md0 ??? or do I need a plain unadorned partition? It obviously will not work on an LVM. But I'm hoping I can get a RAID1 mirror under the /boot device for my new server. Is that too much to ask? |
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| 03:35.43 | RainbowW | is it possible to get wget to retrieve a file containing a question mark in the URL, i.e., http://blah.com/details.php?item=12345 |
| 03:36.01 | cantido | RainbowW: yes |
| 03:36.18 | cantido | RainbowW: you might need to escape the ? |
| 03:37.07 | RainbowW | and i guess also the & because on the last run it backgrounded the processes |
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| 03:37.18 | cantido | yes.. just wrap the url in " " |
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| 03:37.34 | nevyn | hesco: you're going to need to do some grub magic to make it work |
| 03:37.40 | nevyn | grub-install probably won't deal with it. |
| 03:37.55 | cantido | nevyn: I think it does work.. |
| 03:37.56 | hesco | nevyn: care to share the incantation, please? |
| 03:38.22 | hesco | it did not do it, but I was wondering if it was just me. |
| 03:38.24 | cantido | grub-install or grub-setup will ask you want disks to install the mbr to if you give it a md array |
| 03:38.26 | nevyn | hesco: critically you need to re-write the mbr of both disks of the set. |
| 03:38.39 | nevyn | with different grubroots |
| 03:38.57 | nevyn | or the same grubroots depending on what your bios does when the primary disk fails. |
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| 03:39.26 | RainbowW | hmm. the output this time looks promising. |
| 03:39.38 | cantido | hesco: what happened when you ran grub-install on /dev/md0? |
| 03:39.46 | RainbowW | too bad the filenames are all nutty, but oh well. |
| 03:39.58 | cantido | hesco: I forget if its grub-install or grub-setup you should run, but it does work |
| 03:40.09 | nevyn | grub-setup will work it's a grub command tho |
| 03:40.09 | hesco | I was working from inside the d-i. But on reboot, I'm informed that no operating system is available. |
| 03:40.15 | nevyn | grub-install is a script to do stuff. |
| 03:40.16 | cantido | hesco: it will segfault if you try in on an array that isn't clean though |
| 03:40.45 | cantido | hesco: chroot into your system and run grub-update |
| 03:40.46 | hesco | how do you mean clean? |
| 03:41.13 | hesco | ok, rebooting in rescue mode then. |
| 03:41.23 | cantido | if you have a device in the array that is being synced it will segfault.. |
| 03:41.32 | cantido | knows this from experience |
| 03:41.37 | hesco | ok, this is a fresh build. |
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| 03:41.46 | RainbowW | loves her raid6 array. |
| 03:42.06 | hesco | I've used dd to overwrite my partition table and start from scratch a few times (ok, several times, perhaps). |
| 03:43.17 | cantido | hesco: are you having problems using d-i to setup your setup? |
| 03:43.42 | cantido | setup your machine |
| 03:43.42 | hesco | yes, mounting the learning curve for lvm and software raid all at the same time |
| 03:44.12 | cantido | hesco: .. I've done raid and LVM in the install with no problems |
| 03:44.15 | hotwings | [20:31:08] <nevyn> hotwings: sata disks are hotpluggable. <-- the box doesnt have any sata drives |
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| 03:44.25 | nevyn | hotwings: ah sadtimes |
| 03:44.47 | hotwings | it does however how some really expensive ide expansion card. thats why all the hd's are still ide |
| 03:45.04 | cantido | is it made of gold? |
| 03:45.28 | RainbowW | the contacts probably are :) |
| 03:45.33 | nevyn | hotwings: like a 3ware raid card or like an actual ide expansion card? |
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| 03:45.49 | hotwings | 3ware, not sure what model |
| 03:45.58 | nevyn | right so it's a real raid card. |
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| 03:46.11 | nevyn | sunk capex oh well. |
| 03:46.22 | nevyn | the problem is replacing it is still 1200+ bucks |
| 03:46.52 | cantido | software raid + ups :) |
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| 03:47.46 | hotwings | you can get 2tb drives now on sale for around $75-$85, frequently... most mainboards i see have 6+ sata connectors |
| 03:48.24 | cantido | and any modern CPU is going to have plently of slack CPU time to handle the raid |
| 03:48.28 | nevyn | cantido: it's not the same honestly |
| 03:48.48 | cantido | nevyn: except for battery backup .. I dont see the difference |
| 03:48.51 | nevyn | a real raid card remains a very nice thing once you're beyond a dozen spindles. |
| 03:49.02 | nevyn | cantido: system bus utilisation. |
| 03:49.12 | hesco | cantido: I have no grub-update. |
| 03:49.24 | RainbowW | nevyn, why? lose the card, your array is fried, no? with software raid, lose the motherboard ... reboot the system, raid lives. |
| 03:49.30 | nevyn | the offloading of the read modify writeback of raid5 |
| 03:49.50 | nevyn | RainbowW: there is that risk but 3ware's ondisk formats are very stable. |
| 03:49.52 | cantido | hesco: update-grub |
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| 03:50.06 | nevyn | you need a new 3ware card but it's almost the same |
| 03:50.18 | cantido | nevyn: PCI express has tons on bandwidth |
| 03:50.43 | RainbowW | nevyn, and if your'e at a dozen spindles, i'd wonder if raid5 is the right solution anyway. i'm at 10 and chose raid6 specifically because, the first time i attempted it, i lost one too many drives during a rebuild. |
| 03:50.48 | nevyn | cantido: depends what you're doing |
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| 03:51.51 | nevyn | cantido: it depends on the application it might be ok it might not. but you need to evaluate it based on the solution technical requirements |
| 03:51.58 | cantido | pci express is like gigebytes/second isn't it? |
| 03:52.09 | cantido | is there any disk in the world that could keep up with that? |
| 03:52.22 | nevyn | so a sata disk streaming (one spindle |
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| 03:52.42 | hotwings | sata3 is supposed to be fast as hell |
| 03:52.45 | hotwings | from what i heard.. |
| 03:52.48 | nevyn | can do 100mb/sec (give or take...) (it can't do that on randomio and it can only do about 20iops/s) but it's fast |
| 03:53.09 | RainbowW | cantido, no. it should tell you something that even stuff like revo drives are only 4-lane. |
| 03:53.13 | cantido | hotwings: the bus is fast .. the disks attached aren't in comparison |
| 03:53.14 | hotwings | just read about some ssd sata3 device that truely takes advantage of the speed.. blows everything else out of the water by a long shot |
| 03:53.25 | nevyn | right. |
| 03:53.39 | hesco | cantido: thanks for that, I found update-grub. Now what? Should this now boot? Or is there more for me to do? |
| 03:53.57 | cantido | and you would hope that the kernel would keep stuff in memory until it really needs to push it to disk anyhow.. |
| 03:53.58 | hotwings | i wouldnt expect any mechnical disk to be remotely close.. ssd on the other hand |
| 03:54.00 | nevyn | so 800mbits/s per disk. |
| 03:54.05 | cantido | hesco: did it detect your kernels? |
| 03:54.07 | RainbowW | bandwidth on the pcie is not the problem. your bottleneck is the drives, on any array worth the size to hassle with. |
| 03:54.14 | hotwings | or maybe theres a mechanical disk from some idiotic price |
| 03:54.15 | hesco | it did |
| 03:54.19 | nevyn | RainbowW: not true. |
| 03:54.19 | Arrowmaster | nevyn: i can do about 6x that speed on average so about 600MB/s, sometimes better |
| 03:54.37 | nevyn | Arrowmaster: on 1 spindle? |
| 03:54.40 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 03:54.41 | cantido | hesco: try grub-setup from inside your system.. |
| 03:54.52 | hesco | ok, trying that now |
| 03:54.59 | Arrowmaster | 7 drive raid6, with a hotspare |
| 03:55.17 | nevyn | Arrowmaster: so not what I'm talking about which is the streaming capacity of 1 spindle. |
| 03:55.33 | hesco | cantido: I'm advised 'no device specified' |
| 03:55.35 | RainbowW | nevyn, you're suggesting that there's a practical reason to go with an ssd array, when 256g drives run in the $500 range? for that you can buy half a dozen decent mechanicals |
| 03:55.47 | cantido | hesco: grub-setup /dev/md0 |
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| 03:55.53 | hesco | thanks |
| 03:55.59 | cantido | hesco: /dev/md0 is your /boot I guess |
| 03:56.07 | nevyn | RainbowW: no I'm saying everything depends on your workload. AND theere is a very real limit for some solutions in the system bus itself. |
| 03:56.21 | Arrowmaster | but still, it shows that mine is about 6x your 1 spindle speed for my 7 in a raid6 which is equivalent to 6 spindles |
| 03:56.23 | hesco | ls /dev/md* shows me md125, md126 and md127 |
| 03:56.32 | RainbowW | nevyn true but your average user you're going to find in #debian isn't running google. :) |
| 03:56.34 | nevyn | RainbowW: a single spindle is 100mb/sec == 800mbits/sec let's roud that to a gigabit/sec |
| 03:56.35 | hesco | but I have also seen references to md0, as well |
| 03:56.42 | hesco | has me rather confused. |
| 03:57.02 | cantido | hesco: this is a fresh install right? |
| 03:57.14 | nevyn | RainbowW: if you have 8 spindles you need 8 gigabits of bandwith to the sata controller on pciE to write to those disks simultaneously |
| 03:57.18 | cantido | hesco: is there any reason that the installer isn't doing this for you? |
| 03:57.59 | RainbowW | nevyn, that's only really if you're lucky enough that the drives aren't fragged and you're doing massive sync writes. small-file writes are much slower. |
| 03:58.02 | nevyn | RainbowW: any way you cut it that's some significant portion of the pcie bandwidht. |
| 03:58.13 | nevyn | right. |
| 03:58.28 | cantido | nevyn: even if you have a controller doing the writes.. you would still have a bottle neck at your ram |
| 03:58.35 | nevyn | cantido: nope. |
| 03:58.49 | nevyn | because if you have a controller doing the writes it's not doing those writes. |
| 03:59.02 | cantido | how much memory does the controller need that it can keep streaming to disks without stopping anyone else using the bus |
| 03:59.07 | hesco | whether I use /dev/md125 or /dev/md0, I still get an error reporting md0 can't be opened |
| 03:59.27 | nevyn | it's doing N-[1|2] of those writes |
| 03:59.43 | cantido | also, why cant a normal sata controller do that? |
| 04:00.11 | nevyn | and it's not handling the read write modify cycle of higher raid levels |
| 04:00.13 | hesco | cantido: yes, fresh install (although I've tried this multiple times over several evenings). I have no idea whay d-i is not handling this. It acts like it likes everything |
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| 04:01.07 | cantido | hesco: what does you disk setup look like /boot - raid1, everything else in a raid1 with LVM over the top? |
| 04:01.09 | nevyn | RainbowW: small writes on raid 5/6 with software raid involve reading a stripe modifying it in memory and writing the stripe back to the disks |
| 04:01.53 | nevyn | which means your 1 bit write to a file turns into 8 128kbit reads and writes over the bus. |
| 04:01.53 | cantido | My guess is the extra processor grunt etc needed to outperform a hardware solution is going to be cheaper than that hardware |
| 04:02.18 | nevyn | cantido: the software raid solution is cheaper no question |
| 04:02.37 | RainbowW | i haven't run the numbers. i just know that on my array, my i7-950 isn't taxed beyond a cpu load of about 0.02 even when i'm flogging the crap out of the raid, and i'm very happy with it. |
| 04:02.40 | nevyn | but it might not be better or good enough |
| 04:02.52 | Arrowmaster | hardware tends to have options like local ram and dedicated XOR chips |
| 04:02.54 | hesco | sda1+sdb1 on raid md125 ext4; sda2+sdb2 swap; sda3+sdb3 on raid126 ext4; sda5+sdb5 on raid md127, with lvm for guest images, vg built, but so far no lv's |
| 04:03.09 | RainbowW | as ever, it tends to be a question of price vs. performance. good fast cheap, choose any two. |
| 04:03.12 | nevyn | RainbowW: IT's NOT ABOUT CPU UTILISATION the operations are trivial on the slowest cpu you could find running today. |
| 04:03.24 | nevyn | RainbowW: the bus utilisation is an issue tho. |
| 04:03.40 | cantido | and modern x86 hardware has massive buses |
| 04:03.50 | nevyn | cantido: not that massive. |
| 04:03.52 | nevyn | really. |
| 04:03.55 | cantido | the only thing that hasn't got faster is system memory |
| 04:04.02 | RainbowW | true. tho in my case, i'd imagine if i looked i'd find i'm io bound on the spindles, not on the bus. |
| 04:05.05 | nevyn | so io bandwidht is the modern system performance SUCK. right very rarely are things cpubound anymore (with some notable exceptions that are basically media encoding) |
| 04:05.56 | Arrowmaster | and some media decoding that are poorly written and not multithreaded |
| 04:06.01 | Arrowmaster | *COUGH*FLASH*COUGH* |
| 04:06.12 | cantido | even so, I have a feeling moden buses are many times faster than an disk |
| 04:06.22 | nevyn | cantido: but can the disks use it. |
| 04:06.33 | nevyn | you might have a bus that's 32pciE channels |
| 04:06.33 | cantido | Arrowmaster: Flash has support for hardware decoding.. |
| 04:06.40 | nevyn | but the disk controller is on one of those channels |
| 04:07.28 | nevyn | or there's one on one channel and one on another (so 2 on the northbridge itself on an internal PCIE channel and another 6 on a "fakeraid" chip that is connected to pciE) |
| 04:07.33 | cantido | um.. the disks don't even need to be connected to the same machine.. |
| 04:07.42 | cantido | so why do they have to be on the same controller? |
| 04:08.37 | nevyn | Arrowmaster: the dedicated xor chips are usually slower than 0.01%utilisation your cpu |
| 04:08.52 | cantido | Multithreading compression isn't easy.. thats not because of Adobe |
| 04:09.03 | hesco | yet another failure to boot, to find an OS |
| 04:09.13 | cantido | hesco: thats coming from your bios right? |
| 04:09.21 | hesco | update-grub seems to work fine. |
| 04:09.28 | hesco | perhaps it is, let me see |
| 04:09.41 | cantido | hesco: have you just tried install in one disk to see if that works? |
| 04:10.22 | cantido | s/in/with/ |
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| 04:10.44 | nevyn | so a single lane in pcie is like 1giga BIT/s |
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| 04:12.07 | nevyn | oh wait. |
| 04:12.13 | nevyn | 250megabytes/s |
| 04:12.22 | XLV | nevyn, for pcie v1 |
| 04:12.28 | XLV | for pcie v2 its 500MBytes/s |
| 04:12.53 | XLV | and the sata controllers in the chipset ( the southbridge ) arent connected to pcie |
| 04:13.39 | XLV | they are connected to northbridge ( or in case of new cpus with northbridge now inside cpu, with the cpu ) along with all other devices in southbridge through another serial link |
| 04:14.03 | XLV | in new sandybridge cpus its dmi v2 = 4 pcie lanes v2 = 2GBytes/s |
| 04:14.25 | XLV | in older southbridges, ich7/9/9/10 its dmi v1 = 4 pcie v1 lanes = 1GByte/s |
| 04:14.35 | RainbowW | xlv that assumes there isn't some other major screw-up in the chips that is yet undiscovered on sandybridge :) |
| 04:14.44 | hesco | cantido: you were right, that must have come from the BIOS. I no longer see my hard drives listed in the boot order page, although SATA is still enabled. |
| 04:15.24 | RainbowW | is happy to let her early adopter customers pay the price for jumping onto sandy bridge now. She'll stick with her X58. |
| 04:15.49 | XLV | RainbowW, fortunately there wasnt that much to pay |
| 04:15.59 | XLV | those who got mbs will get a replacement |
| 04:16.06 | hesco | I've run lots of installs over the years on a simple partitioned disks, including on the IDE I pulled out of this machine before installing the two SATA drives I'm working to build my next system on |
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| 04:16.22 | XLV | those who got systems will get their systems or mbs of systems replaced |
| 04:16.41 | RainbowW | xlv, it's still a huge pain in the butt, for most of my customers who are none too swift to begin with. for many of them, building a box is about as technical a challenge as they've ever faced. |
| 04:17.19 | XLV | RainbowW, well, true.. but if they got parts, means they have mastered the building once, so they must be able to do it once more with the replaced mb |
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| 04:17.26 | RainbowW | they're the ones who want to run 16x sli on their 1090T. how's that working out for them? |
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| 04:19.10 | nevyn | XLV: so there's lots of bandwidht there to those 2 disks what about the 6 or 8 connected to the fakeraid chip on a random motherboard. |
| 04:19.46 | XLV | nevyn, theres no fake raid chip with 6 ports on the mbs.. unless you mean the chipset's sata |
| 04:20.02 | nevyn | sata fakeraid chips |
| 04:20.26 | XLV | and some that got an extra 2 or 4 sata 6Gbps ports on two controllers that are connected to pcie |
| 04:20.33 | nevyn | yeah |
| 04:20.40 | nevyn | that's what I was talking about. |
| 04:20.49 | hesco | . |
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| 04:21.02 | XLV | but you cant make a raid array spanning between chipset's sata and extra controller's sata ( only software one ) |
| 04:21.36 | nevyn | 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801IR/IO/IH (ICH9R/DO/DH) 6 port SATA AHCI Controller (rev 02) |
| 04:21.39 | nevyn | 03:00.0 SATA controller: JMicron Technologies, Inc. JMicron 20360/20363 AHCI Controller (rev 02) |
| 04:21.51 | XLV | the first one is the chipset's sata |
| 04:21.56 | nevyn | right. |
| 04:22.05 | nevyn | the extras are pcie |
| 04:22.06 | XLV | the 2nd one is onboard conotrller |
| 04:22.19 | XLV | and those jmicron are usually used for esata |
| 04:22.29 | XLV | and even if they are used for internal sata, they got enough bw |
| 04:22.51 | XLV | remember that those are 2 port ones, and are connected to pcie v1 so 250MBytes/s for two hdds |
| 04:22.55 | nevyn | yeah. |
| 04:22.56 | XLV | more than enough |
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| 04:22.58 | nevyn | that's ok. |
| 04:23.31 | cantido | you don't need a "fakeraid" chipset to have software raid either.. |
| 04:23.42 | nevyn | oh right but they all are. |
| 04:23.55 | hesco | The BIOS bootup sequence recognizes my two drives. But when I attempt to configure the BIOS, the two SATA drives no longer appear available for the boot sequence screen. |
| 04:24.02 | nevyn | I wasn't advocating using the fakeraid capability just using it as a reference to the chips. |
| 04:24.06 | cantido | my bios doesnt have that fakeraid stuff.. I have 6 ports though |
| 04:24.31 | nevyn | hesco: in the primary bios or in like a later bit? |
| 04:24.52 | hotwings | holy smokes.. raid chat still going on in here?! |
| 04:24.56 | nevyn | hesco: are your disks attached to the chipset controller or a secondary maybe |
| 04:25.09 | hotwings | that was just enough distracting for me to forget what i was going to ask... figures |
| 04:25.14 | nevyn | heh |
| 04:25.31 | hesco | there are four SATA data connectors on the mobo, I'm using two of them. |
| 04:26.03 | nevyn | hrm 4.. probably all chipset ones then. |
| 04:26.17 | hesco | nevyn: not sure I understand the distinction |
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| 04:26.44 | nevyn | what motherboard? |
| 04:27.14 | nevyn | hesco: you probably don't need to. |
| 04:27.35 | hesco | I call everything I see until the grub menu, the bios. I call the screens which permit configuration, the BIOS setup tool. Once grub takes over, we're no longer in BIOS. At least that is how I understand and use these terms. |
| 04:28.02 | cantido | hesco: have you managed to make grub load? |
| 04:28.02 | nevyn | hesco: ok what you call the bios.. can be lots of stuff . |
| 04:28.06 | hesco | mobo: HDAMA |
| 04:28.29 | nevyn | what I call the bios is the BIOS then there's a bunch of addon card roms that run then grub runs. |
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| 04:29.05 | cantido | nevyn: tell all exit back out to the bios.. |
| 04:29.09 | hesco | yes, I see PXE boot 'addon card rom's |
| 04:29.15 | nevyn | so stuff like pxe boot options and scsi cards and sata cards. ;) |
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| 04:30.07 | hesco | I also have a hardwarde RAID rom that offers a setup tool. Tries it w/o success and have left it be in favor of the software RAID. |
| 04:30.20 | nevyn | right. |
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| 04:30.39 | nevyn | hesco: so are the drives detected by that raid rom. |
| 04:30.46 | nevyn | or by the initial chipset bios? |
| 04:31.11 | AndrewX192 | How do I view what process is taking the most memory on a given system? (free -m/htop says that 1GB of ram is used [not caches/buffers]) and I'm wondering where all of that went to. |
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| 04:31.34 | hotwings | probably to memleaks :) |
| 04:31.42 | nevyn | top press M |
| 04:31.52 | cantido | AndrewX192: sort by memory, look at resident size |
| 04:31.52 | nevyn | to sort by memory usage. |
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| 04:32.06 | nevyn | actually little m not M |
| 04:32.52 | AndrewX192 | 0.3% xend |
| 04:33.14 | nevyn | AndrewX192: 0.3% what? |
| 04:33.28 | AndrewX192 | nevyn: look at http://grabup.localcoast.net/1301027589.png |
| 04:33.30 | nevyn | check the RSS column you don't care about cpu |
| 04:33.35 | hesco | nevyn: yes, the RAID rom sees the two drives. |
| 04:33.38 | AndrewX192 | [screenshot of top] |
| 04:34.05 | nevyn | hesco: you need to select addon card in the bios to boot from the raid chipset |
| 04:34.28 | cantido | he wants to use software raid.. |
| 04:34.33 | nevyn | hesco: or you could try moving the cables so the drives are seen by the system bios |
| 04:34.33 | hesco | but as SATA, I don't expect them to show up on the primary or secondary IDE channels |
| 04:34.47 | hesco | and they do not appear in the boot sequence screen |
| 04:35.09 | cantido | hesco: go in your bios and turn off anything that says "raid" |
| 04:35.11 | nevyn | what mode have you got your AHCI controller set to ? |
| 04:35.24 | nevyn | cantido: snap. |
| 04:35.31 | AndrewX192 | nevyn: these results are weird, only seeing 5GB of my 6GB of ram |
| 04:35.54 | nevyn | AndrewX192: did you press m? |
| 04:35.59 | AndrewX192 | nevyn: yes |
| 04:36.05 | AndrewX192 | nevyn: see the screenshot of top |
| 04:36.33 | nevyn | ok. |
| 04:36.36 | nevyn | so what's the problem? |
| 04:36.53 | AndrewX192 | nevyn: 1GB of ram is missing from free -m, and 1GB of ram is in use by an unknown process |
| 04:36.57 | AndrewX192 | nevyn: with an XEN kernel |
| 04:37.48 | nevyn | is this a domu or dom0? |
| 04:37.51 | AndrewX192 | Dom0 |
| 04:38.07 | nevyn | are there domu's running? |
| 04:38.15 | AndrewX192 | Not at the current time. |
| 04:38.28 | AndrewX192 | It is a brand new install of debian 6 with XEN |
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| 04:39.04 | WaterRatj | Why is it that debian keeps changing my hostname on reboot? |
| 04:39.46 | nevyn | AndrewX192: if you add up all the values in the VIRT column you get about 1.1gig |
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| 04:39.55 | nevyn | and you're using no swap yet. |
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| 04:40.23 | nevyn | so virt is what things are using total. |
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| 04:43.27 | hesco | I found nothing labeled RAID in the BIOS setup screens. There is a RAID controller tool that comes up between BIOS and grub (although I see no grub), bu that was disabled days ago |
| 04:43.51 | hesco | I'm out of steam here and neex to sleep. Will try again Friday. |
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| 04:43.59 | hesco | thanks for your help. |
| 04:44.02 | cantido | hesco: have you tried just on one disk |
| 04:44.19 | cantido | it shoulds like your bios doesnt find a workable MBR and gives up to be honest |
| 04:45.15 | cantido | s/shoulds/sounds/ |
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| 04:54.06 | Bhavicp | Hi all, Would anyone be able to tell me how i can run Debian on a 2TB drive (I tried using "parted /dev/sda" and then "mklabel gpt", but it didn't seem to fix it. |
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| 05:16.31 | nevyn | Bhavicp: umm what's going wrong? |
| 05:16.35 | AndrewX192 | nevyn: anything I can do about that? |
| 05:16.52 | nevyn | AndrewX192: what would you like to do about it? |
| 05:17.25 | AndrewX192 | nevyn: why is it so high? |
| 05:17.30 | nevyn | AndrewX192: so when the system starts being under memory pressure the non RSS stuff will automatically push to swap. |
| 05:17.37 | nevyn | it's nothing to be concerned about. |
| 05:18.02 | AndrewX192 | nevyn: well, DomU's should take up the bulk of the RAM, not Dom0 |
| 05:18.18 | nevyn | yep. |
| 05:18.34 | nevyn | dom0's real memory utilisation is the sum of the RSS column. |
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| 05:18.36 | AndrewX192 | nevyn: so, not a worry? |
| 05:18.38 | nevyn | it's like 200meg |
| 05:19.30 | AndrewX192 | nevyn: also, what happened to the other gig of my ram? |
| 05:19.58 | nevyn | AndrewX192: I assume you're running amd64? |
| 05:20.02 | AndrewX192 | nevyn: yes |
| 05:20.09 | nevyn | what vidcard do you have? |
| 05:20.19 | AndrewX192 | A Nvidia Geforce 7200GS |
| 05:20.36 | AndrewX192 | Oh, maybe it is noevua or w/e? |
| 05:20.44 | nevyn | w/e? |
| 05:20.56 | AndrewX192 | kernel driver for the video card |
| 05:21.01 | AndrewX192 | The box is headless |
| 05:21.49 | nevyn | yeah I would have thought so. |
| 05:22.27 | nevyn | can you pastebin the output of free for me? |
| 05:22.49 | AndrewX192 | In a few, working on moving the server around right now |
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| 05:23.46 | nevyn | paste.debian.net |
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| 05:51.58 | project2501a | is there a "make test run" switch in dpkg? |
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| 05:56.52 | cafuego | dpkg -s you mean? |
| 05:56.52 | dpkg | Dingos ate my you mean! |
| 05:57.04 | cafuego | Oh that's apt-get - never mind. |
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| 05:57.16 | FluxD | Other than crontab, what other ways can a program run at startup? I have a program running at crontab, but not sure what is launching it |
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| 06:02.04 | prince_jammys | FluxD: explain. you mean you think something other than cron is running it? |
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| 06:02.50 | FluxD | I checkd my crontab, and root's using sudo crontab -e and it was empty |
| 06:03.15 | Dewi | FluxD: what about /etc/cron.d |
| 06:03.25 | Dewi | /etc/cron.* even |
| 06:03.47 | Dewi | FluxD: also check /etc/rc.local |
| 06:04.08 | FluxD | Dewi, nothing in rc.local, and something called anacron in cron.d |
| 06:04.12 | Dewi | FluxD: and I guess all the initd scripts? |
| 06:04.33 | FluxD | Dewi, easy way to see init startup list? |
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| 06:04.58 | Dewi | FluxD: I used full-screen text UI 'rcconf' |
| 06:05.03 | Dewi | use |
| 06:06.45 | Dewi | FluxD: if the parent process is still running it'll show up as the parent node in: pstree -ap |
| 06:07.06 | FluxD | ok looking in that |
| 06:07.21 | FluxD | can I grep that? |
| 06:07.23 | Dewi | not sure what happens if the parent isn't still running actually, maybe it goes up a level |
| 06:07.39 | Dewi | FluxD: kind of. use grep -C10 --color |
| 06:07.53 | Dewi | (context + highlight) |
| 06:08.53 | FluxD | hmm looks like gnome-session, but gnome startup applications was empty |
| 06:09.18 | Dewi | FluxD: what's the process called? |
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| 06:09.52 | FluxD | ââ(runbackschedule,2119) which starts a program called BackupScheduler,2509 |
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| 06:10.44 | Bhavicp | Hi all, Would anyone be able to tell me how i can run Debian on a 2TB drive (I tried using "parted /dev/sda" and then "mklabel gpt", but it didn't seem to fix it. |
| 06:10.44 | Dewi | FluxD: I dunno much about gnome, I guess it's hiding somewhere else in there tho |
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| 06:11.26 | Prot | anyone know how to upgrade to latest php in debian? |
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| 06:11.36 | Dewi | Bhavicp: what are you trying to do? |
| 06:11.45 | Dewi | Bhavicp: the installer has a partitioner |
| 06:12.22 | neoice | do trivial repos still work in squeeze? I have 1 .deb and Packages.gz, but I cant get aptitude to actually find everything. http logs show 200s though. |
| 06:12.31 | Dewi | Prot: if you're on stable, the version won't change unless you get one from backports |
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| 06:13.32 | Dewi | Prot: note: there are none for squeeze yet. You could try to use a source package tho: |
| 06:13.39 | Dewi | !tell Prot about ssb |
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| 06:14.06 | Prot | i'll look at that, thanks |
| 06:14.10 | Prot | totally new to debian |
| 06:14.53 | Dewi | also note that testing/wheezy hasn't updated since stable froze, so there could be some problem |
| 06:15.02 | Dewi | (... with going further than stable) |
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| 06:16.32 | Dewi | Prot: you'll find stable packages to be very secure and well-supported, and you lose that as you go stable -> backports -> wheezy/sid src package -> other |
| 06:16.56 | Dewi | also ease of maintenance |
| 06:17.18 | Prot | could I go back later? |
| 06:17.41 | Prot | php 5.3.3-7 broke my project with a bad bug |
| 06:17.50 | Dewi | not to a previous version |
| 06:18.01 | Dewi | but you can re-join backports or stable when they eventually catch up |
| 06:18.21 | Dewi | (currently 2 years away for xtable) |
| 06:18.23 | Dewi | er stable |
| 06:18.50 | Prot | thats what I mean |
| 06:19.03 | Dewi | I guess if you really want to go down in version numbers, you can uninstall as completely as you can with --purge |
| 06:19.10 | Prot | i don't, only up |
| 06:19.12 | Dewi | and hope for the besst |
| 06:19.13 | Dewi | :P |
| 06:19.55 | Dewi | Prot: yeah, so for example I had a lot of custom stuff on lenny, and I've been able to go mostly stable again now that squeeze is out |
| 06:20.15 | Dewi | aside from a few problem cases |
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| 06:22.34 | Prot | are you saying that they won't update the debian stables for up to 2 years? |
| 06:23.17 | nevyn | Prot: depends what you mean by update. |
| 06:23.29 | Prot | add them to the list so I can app-get php5 |
| 06:23.54 | nevyn | then no there won't be those sort of updates most likely |
| 06:24.10 | nevyn | Prot: some things will be updated as part of squeeze-updates |
| 06:24.18 | Prot | gotcha |
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| 06:27.20 | Dewi | Prot: critical (usually security-related) fixes only |
| 06:28.06 | Dewi | nevyn: is that just the new name for backports? |
| 06:28.19 | nevyn | nope volitile |
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| 06:29.39 | Dewi | nevyn: oh yeah. Has its remit widened tho? It used to be very specialized, basically just timezone data and antivirus patterns |
| 06:30.01 | nevyn | yeah I don't think it'r remit has changed that much no. |
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| 06:57.36 | lkthomas | guys |
| 06:57.43 | lkthomas | I just setup request-tracker 3.8 on debian |
| 06:57.50 | lkthomas | but I can't login using default username and password |
| 06:57.53 | lkthomas | anyone have idea why ? |
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| 07:03.53 | AndrewX192 | nevyn: http://paste.debian.net/111936/ |
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| 07:05.11 | spermonface | guys, I guess, ufw firewall doesn't work. May be bug? |
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| 07:06.03 | dbbolton | when i try to start acpi-fakekey i get this message: 'Starting acpi_fakekey daemon...failed (No suitable uinput module for running kernel found).' |
| 07:09.01 | spermonface | do you know some normal firewall? |
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| 07:14.46 | nevyn | AndrewX192: dunno. |
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| 07:15.16 | WaterRatj | Debian (Lenny) doesn't have php-sqlite3? |
| 07:16.26 | petern_ | It has php5-sqlite |
| 07:16.39 | WaterRatj | thats version 2.x |
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| 07:17.20 | petern_ | Depends on libsqlite3-0 |
| 07:17.32 | petern_ | (And libsqlite0, heh) |
| 07:17.51 | AndrewX192 | nevyn: no other suggestions? |
| 07:18.09 | WaterRatj | still its version 2.8.17 not 3 |
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| 07:20.41 | petern_ | Ah, there's a PDO version in there that uses sqlite3 |
| 07:21.33 | petern_ | php.net says: "SQLite 3 is supported through PDO SQLite." |
| 07:22.13 | lkthomas | guys, how could I use mysql instead of sqlite on request-tracker ? |
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| 07:23.02 | dserban | what's a good program to check the full filesystem for dupes? |
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| 07:23.11 | dserban | gnome / commandline or otherwise? |
| 07:23.50 | capitan | weird |
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| 07:24.08 | capitan | what's /etc/default for? |
| 07:24.54 | SgrA | How can I filter out time from a web page? |
| 07:25.04 | dserban | capitan, a central place to set default settings for programs. |
| 07:25.14 | capitan | i just realized my firewall hasn't been running because I tried to enable shorewall through /etc/shorewall/shorewall.conf, but the init script is looking at /etc/default/shorewall |
| 07:25.27 | dserban | some packages use it to define basic parameters, such as startup on boot etc. |
| 07:25.39 | capitan | is this new to squeeze? |
| 07:25.47 | capitan | i don't think i remember seeing it before |
| 07:25.51 | dserban | capitan, naw, been around since at least etch |
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| 07:28.20 | capitan | ohhhh interesting |
| 07:28.35 | capitan | good explanation at http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2006-02/msg00081.html |
| 07:29.54 | nevyn | AndrewX192: ps aux|awk ' { vsz += $5; rss += $6 } END { print "VSZ:" vsz " RSS:" rss } ' && free |
| 07:30.16 | capitan | k... changed the file... restarted the shorewall init script... and managed to NOT kick myself off ssh ;) |
| 07:30.48 | SgrA | How can I filter out time from a web page by using grep? |
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| 07:32.23 | nevyn | SgrA: filter out time? |
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| 07:32.30 | SgrA | Yes - |
| 07:32.33 | nevyn | like your using a lynx -dump blah as a functional test and want to strip the time from the result page? |
| 07:32.39 | WaterRatj | Will debian ever update lenny's php? |
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| 07:33.15 | SgrA | I was thinking more like wget -qO- <web page which gives time> | grep [something] |
| 07:33.21 | SgrA | I need the [something] |
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| 07:34.01 | nevyn | hrm ok filter out means something specific |
| 07:34.11 | nevyn | filter out means I want everything except the time. |
| 07:34.46 | nevyn | SgrA: can you pastebin the output of the first bit and point me to where the something you want is? |
| 07:35.05 | nevyn | or just paste the bit you want if it's one line? |
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| 07:35.33 | xolo | hello everybody |
| 07:35.36 | nevyn | you need the whole line where the bit you want occurs and that could be the whole website as many sites don't have linebreaks in the html anymore |
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| 07:36.14 | xolo | can somebody help me to figure out how to write an iso image ??? |
| 07:36.29 | krabbe | by using dd |
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| 07:36.41 | xolo | it doesn't work |
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| 07:37.05 | krabbe | dd if=/usr/xolo/myfiles of=/usr/xolo/myimage.iso |
| 07:37.07 | krabbe | (for example) |
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| 07:38.18 | xolo | i use dd if=isoimage.iso of=/dev/dvd obd=32k seek=0 |
| 07:38.51 | xolo | and i get... read only filesystem |
| 07:39.02 | krabbe | you want to write an ISO image? Then you're using if and of the wrong way around :D |
| 07:39.06 | krabbe | if input of output |
| 07:39.25 | xk | dpkg: php paradox |
| 07:39.26 | dpkg | The PHP paradox is that the people running lenny with php 5.2 want to have php 5.3... while the people running squeeze with php 5.3 want to have php 5.2. This is actually a sad indictment of both php and the applications written in it. |
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| 07:40.45 | xolo | if=isoimage <- input right ??? |
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| 07:44.17 | krabbe | yeah, the source from where you're reading the stuff |
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| 07:44.44 | krabbe | so you want dd if=/dev/dvd of=isoimage.iso |
| 07:45.02 | optraz | hi, what is the command to capture ssl traffic using tcpdump ? |
| 07:45.33 | krabbe | If you wanna write the iso to the DVD drive, you have to ask someone else. Ive never done this before in command line :D |
| 07:45.49 | xolo | won't i be getting the dvd content and writing it to the hard drive with that command ??? |
| 07:46.16 | krabbe | read the text |
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| 07:46.48 | krabbe | So you wanna write the ISO image to the DVD burner, I think there are more commands required |
| 07:47.09 | krabbe | http://www.ccp14.ac.uk/ccp14admin/linux-server/iso_images_to_dvdram/ |
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| 07:47.13 | krabbe | maybe that helps you |
| 07:47.28 | xolo | i'll read it =) thanks |
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| 07:48.25 | krabbe | or that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dd_%28Unix%29 |
| 07:48.53 | optraz | hi, what is the command to capture ssl traffic using tcpdump ? |
| 07:49.01 | Bus3rr0r | tcpdump -p -i port 443 wlil do it |
| 07:49.20 | Bus3rr0r | you might want to specify the interface |
| 07:50.29 | optraz | ok. but when i open the dump using wireshark.. there is no ssl protocol.. |
| 07:50.31 | optraz | only tcp |
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| 07:52.54 | optraz | the server port is 8443 so i knwo change the port to 8443 in that tcpdump command ;) but it aitn showing ssl traffic under wireshark.. |
| 07:52.57 | lkthomas | where can I find deb package for otrs3 ? |
| 07:53.04 | nevyn | AndrewX192: poke. |
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| 07:58.22 | dagni | is linux-2.6.32-5-amd64 latest kernel for debian ? |
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| 07:59.34 | Bus3rr0r | the optraz,you will see tcp as the transport protocol |
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| 08:01.05 | tweek_ | dagni: i have the same, in testing |
| 08:01.49 | dagni | tweek_: the only reason i'm not using 2.6.38 that i compiled on my own is because my wifi driver (wl.ko) doesn't load on it ;( |
| 08:03.19 | tweek_ | dagni: is 2.6.38 the one with the "magic patch"? it's in sid currently |
| 08:05.20 | dagni | tweek_: i'm new to debian, if i want 2.6.38 from sid, i need to change /etc/apt/sources.list "deb ftp://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/linux/debian/debian/ testing main contrib non-free" the 'testing' word to 'sid' and then apt-get install linux ? |
| 08:06.04 | dagni | i compiled the 2.6.38 from http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.38.tar.bz2 .. ;) |
| 08:06.21 | blast_hardcheese | Why am I getting ^H in checkinstall? I don't even know how to begin to troubleshoot this |
| 08:06.23 | dagni | maybe that one from sid won't complain when i try to load wl.ko |
| 08:06.27 | tweek_ | dagni: yes, but then all packages will be installed from sid if you do an upgrade |
| 08:06.52 | dagni | tweek_: well my plan is to change it to sid, install the kernel and then change it back to testing |
| 08:06.56 | dagni | smart ? |
| 08:07.00 | tweek_ | uhm |
| 08:07.02 | tweek_ | not sure |
| 08:07.17 | tweek_ | i think you can add both lines to sources.list |
| 08:07.17 | dagni | worth to give a try ;9;2~) |
| 08:07.24 | dagni | hmm |
| 08:07.32 | dagni | and then how i specify which one should be used ? :p |
| 08:07.36 | dagni | in apt-get ? |
| 08:08.07 | tweek_ | and then define priorities for the releases in apt preferences |
| 08:08.25 | tweek_ | and install single packages with aptitude -t sid packagename |
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| 08:08.51 | dagni | mmm |
| 08:08.53 | dagni | sounds nice |
| 08:09.14 | dagni | one thing that i wonder, apt-get is nice tool, why there is aptitude ? |
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| 08:09.30 | tweek_ | !why aptitude |
| 08:09.30 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Be careful. |
| 08:09.58 | dagni | i see |
| 08:10.38 | WaterRatj | How do I run an script on boot? |
| 08:10.47 | tweek_ | dagni: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
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| 08:11.12 | tweek_ | dagni: the section 'how to keep a mixed system' would be for you maybe |
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| 08:12.23 | palhmbs | can somebody point me to the original /etc/apt/sources.list for Squeeze? |
| 08:12.29 | palhmbs | I think mine is screwy |
| 08:12.30 | dagni | tweek_: thanks |
| 08:13.50 | palhmbs | I'm getting a 404 Not Found [IP: 150.203.164.38 80] when I run apt-get update |
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| 08:15.03 | tvm | palhmbs: use these two lines http://pastebin.com/huqZy6br |
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| 08:17.23 | palhmbs | tvm, thanks - that all fixed it |
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| 08:22.53 | Burps | Hi : to have my sound working, I need to do "alsactl init" after each reboot : how can I automate this ? |
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| 08:24.25 | Bhavicp | Burps: Make a script to run at startup, in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 08:24.50 | Burps | is that really the "cleaner" way ? |
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| 08:24.58 | Burps | then OK... |
| 08:25.01 | Bhavicp | Yea, just make a file with "alsactl init" in it |
| 08:25.10 | Bhavicp | then update-rc.d filename defaults |
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| 08:32.44 | dagni | tweek_: Linux laptop 2.6.38-1-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Mar 16 17:38:02 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 08:32.49 | dagni | and wl.ko loads ;D |
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| 08:34.31 | tweek_ | Burps: you could also add the line to the existing /etc/rc.local (which is executed later during boot) |
| 08:34.57 | tweek_ | !rc.local |
| 08:34.57 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is regarded as a hack, consider writing a real init script instead, ask me about <init.d>. |
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| 08:35.49 | tweek_ | dagni: great! do you feel the magic? |
| 08:36.37 | dagni | yeah, it's better than i expected now ;) |
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| 08:37.16 | tweek_ | srsly? you notice a difference? |
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| 08:37.32 | worm | hello, after upgrading, update-grub complains saying grub can't be installed on either /dev/sdb or /dev/sda and returns the error : /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot stat `/dev/root' . Anyone know how to fix this issue ? |
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| 08:37.57 | gribouille | hi |
| 08:38.05 | gribouille | how can I get the id of the process that owns a given window ? |
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| 08:39.55 | dagni | tweek_: difference = no wl.ko problems, got latest kernel and now i can optimize it, will have boot sequence ~+5sec faster ;) |
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| 08:52.07 | pikaro | hi! my external hdd has suddelny gone read-only, although mount says /dev/sdb1 on /media/extern1 type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,iocharset=iso8859-1,quiet,fmask=111,dmask=000,uid=1000,gid=1000) and there is still space left (13/500GB). remounting and unplugging won't change anything. what to check? |
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| 08:53.18 | Mamontin | Hi, sorry for my english, If I have a processor with "SMT (Hyperthreading) scheduler support" do I need to "Multi-core scheduler support". Very grateful. |
| 08:53.52 | ethanol | palhmbs: screenshot or it didn't happen o: |
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| 08:54.09 | tweek_ | palhmbs: also, what desktop environment? |
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| 08:54.29 | pikaro | device permissions are 660 root:floppy, with me being a member of floppy. also, root is not able to write |
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| 08:54.35 | palhmbs | icewm - o.O |
| 08:54.45 | palhmbs | I guess I could use something more standard... |
| 08:54.52 | palhmbs | but, I like icewm |
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| 08:55.43 | tweek_ | palhmbs: i have never used icewm, but usually .fonts.conf is a place to start |
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| 08:56.47 | tweek_ | ~/.fonts.conf, that is |
| 08:57.04 | palhmbs | thanks tweek_ |
| 08:57.33 | palhmbs | ethanol, printscreen doesn't work any suggestions - this box is pretty barebones. |
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| 08:58.00 | palhmbs | is looking wildly in gimp's menu's for screenshot |
| 08:58.00 | Mamontin | please help, If I have a processor with "SMT (Hyperthreading) scheduler support" do I need to "Multi-core scheduler support". Very grateful. |
| 08:58.38 | palhmbs | ah there it is, under create |
| 08:59.00 | ethanol | palhmbs: eh.. I dunno. I only use ubuntu for desktops pretty much (or Mint sometimes). screenshot utilities are default there. |
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| 09:01.02 | palhmbs | tweek_, can't find no.... .fonts.conf - satisfaction |
| 09:01.02 | palhmbs | :P |
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| 09:01.12 | ewet | hi, is there a nice grepable command listing all updateable packages? |
| 09:02.53 | tweek_ | palhmbs: create it, maybe use mine as a template: http://paste.debian.net/plain/111940 |
| 09:03.20 | palhmbs | ewet, I was looking for someting like that earlier, I decided to install synaptic instead. |
| 09:03.23 | tweek_ | usually 'hintmedium' or 'hintslight' looks ok |
| 09:03.56 | palhmbs | screenie of bad fonts -- http://imagebin.org/144820 |
| 09:04.06 | palhmbs | ethanol, ^^ |
| 09:04.15 | ewet | palhmbs: : synaptic isn't an option since the server has no gui ;) |
| 09:04.55 | ethanol | palhmbs: eh, looks fine to me mate. just a rather large font for the main chat panel. |
| 09:05.06 | tweek_ | palhmbs: if you want thicker softer fonts try hintslight or hintnone |
| 09:05.07 | palhmbs | ewet, ah, dats a big problem... how bout dpkg ? |
| 09:05.19 | tweek_ | if you want sharper fonts try hintfull or disable hinting |
| 09:05.23 | nevyn | ewet: aptitude search ~U |
| 09:05.49 | tweek_ | and with the same .fonts.conf, fonts will still look different in gtk and qt applications |
| 09:05.50 | palhmbs | tweek_, which wm you using? |
| 09:06.00 | tweek_ | KDE |
| 09:06.28 | ewet | nevyn: : very cool, I underestimated the power of aptitude search :) - thanks! |
| 09:06.31 | palhmbs | to test.... restart X - bother |
| 09:07.05 | nevyn | ewet: the README in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README is actually the usermanual with all the non-supercow powers |
| 09:07.06 | tweek_ | i don't really need the full desktop environment, but kde is just pretty |
| 09:07.33 | nevyn | ewet: but the search patterns are not in --help or the man page ARRRG |
| 09:07.39 | palhmbs | tweek_, KDE is overkill |
| 09:07.47 | tweek_ | i know |
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| 09:08.02 | tweek_ | but it looks pretty |
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| 09:08.05 | palhmbs | tweek_, and I only have 512meg RAM o.O |
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| 09:09.11 | palhmbs | ethanol, I've been using ubuntu so long that this thing font thing just bugs me |
| 09:09.15 | Bus3rr0r | it does look pretty |
| 09:09.45 | Bus3rr0r | set the font dpi to 96 and enable anti-aliasing |
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| 09:10.05 | tweek_ | palhmbs: ok, you won't get the fonts in gtk (gnome) applications to look like ubuntu without patching cairo |
| 09:10.19 | tweek_ | but you can still try hintslight, which comes closer |
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| 09:11.00 | SgrA | Which file stores the current CPU temperature? |
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| 09:11.19 | palhmbs | Bus3rr0r, How, that's the question, is there anyway of hotswapping X font settings with barebones debian 6 (lxde live-cd)? |
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| 09:11.32 | ethanol | palhmbs: just install ubuntu? |
| 09:11.55 | Arrowmaster | what font is that being used in your xchat screenshot? |
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| 09:12.19 | palhmbs | ethanol, I already have ubuntu 10.10, windows XP and various others... thanks! |
| 09:12.28 | ethanol | palhmbs: then why bother? :p |
| 09:12.35 | palhmbs | Arrowmaster, Liberation Mono 14 |
| 09:12.55 | palhmbs | ethanol, because I'm a tweeker like tweek_ |
| 09:13.08 | Arrowmaster | i blame the font then, not the distro |
| 09:13.27 | Bus3rr0r | hmm, not sure in Gnome |
| 09:13.41 | gribouille | how can I get the id of the process that owns a given window ? |
| 09:13.59 | ethanol | palhmbs: ah. to each their own I suppose. only things I spend time on ''tweeking'' is trying to optimize my working flow on my system. everything else I don't care about, at all. |
| 09:14.03 | palhmbs | Arrowmaster, I've already tried several fonts - I'm upgrading everything at the moment, maybe I got a bad X install |
| 09:14.03 | Bus3rr0r | do you know the name of the process? |
| 09:14.28 | Arrowmaster | palhmbs: the font is just ugly at that large of a size |
| 09:14.31 | palhmbs | when I install this thing it borked, I had to setup my user and everything by hand - adduser o.O |
| 09:14.36 | Bus3rr0r | gribouille, do you know the process name |
| 09:14.43 | Arrowmaster | personally i use Terminus Bold 10 in xchat |
| 09:15.12 | ethanol | palhmbs: have to agree with Arrowmaster. your font aliasing is fine. your size is just ''big fooking ugly''. :< |
| 09:15.48 | ethanol | change it to 11 or 10ish |
| 09:15.49 | palhmbs | lol - well, it's big because smaller it's just about unreadable |
| 09:16.00 | Arrowmaster | isnt liberation mono supposed to look like courier new which is also a horrible font at larger sizes |
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| 09:16.03 | ethanol | then get a different, more suitable font |
| 09:16.03 | gribouille | Bus3rr0r, no |
| 09:16.18 | palhmbs | ah my updates are nearly installed, I'll see if these fix anything |
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| 09:16.37 | Arrowmaster | palhmbs: try Terminus if you want a mono space font, trust me its great |
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| 09:16.49 | ewet | nevyn: thanks I knew but I missed to read it... thanks again :) |
| 09:16.55 | Bus3rr0r | do you know the name of the application? |
| 09:17.54 | tweek_ | palhmbs: try this one, report back with screenshot: http://paste.debian.net/plain/111942 |
| 09:18.01 | gribouille | Bus3rr0r, I have a window, and I want which process it belogs to |
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| 09:19.28 | tweek_ | found the dpi line in the arch wiki, didn't try if it works |
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| 09:20.01 | Arrowmaster | i found the optimal dpi setting to varry by screen |
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| 09:20.10 | SgrA | Which file stores the current CPU temperature? |
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| 09:20.26 | Arrowmaster | SgrA: none |
| 09:20.30 | Bus3rr0r | whats the window name? |
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| 09:20.52 | palhmbs | gribouille, are you trying to kill a process? |
| 09:20.53 | SgrA | Arrowmaster: Then what should I feed to .conkyrc? |
| 09:20.59 | dagni | how do i change language to english ? except keyboard layout ? |
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| 09:21.07 | palhmbs | gribouille, xkill works well for dat |
| 09:21.16 | Arrowmaster | SgrA: i dont know but i would guess you want to install lmsensors |
| 09:21.27 | SgrA | Already installed. |
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| 09:21.50 | palhmbs | uptodate now.. bbs |
| 09:22.05 | laust | SgrA> I have put this in my .conkyrc file: ${voffset -25}${freq cpu1} MHz${tab 65}${color red}${exec cat /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon1/device/temp1_input | sed "s/\(..\)\(.\)../\1\ .\2/"}C |
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| 09:22.23 | laust | you can extract the temperature part |
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| 09:22.41 | Oliphaunt | can anyone tell me what /etc/group- is for? |
| 09:22.42 | SgrA | XD 43000 C |
| 09:22.54 | SgrA | Okay, it means 43.000 ? |
| 09:22.59 | laust | SgrA> RUN! |
| 09:23.05 | SgrA | :D |
| 09:23.10 | palhmbs | yep - just as bad in LXDE wm |
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| 09:23.40 | petern_ | Hotter than the surface of the Sun, eh? |
| 09:23.53 | gribouille | palhmbs, ok, thanks |
| 09:23.57 | laust | SgrA> yes if you didn't use the sed part you have to divide by 1000 |
| 09:24.00 | SgrA | Indeed. I use that as a clean power source for my system. |
| 09:24.05 | MeglaW | hehe, laser printers are hotter then a supernova petern_ |
| 09:24.28 | tweek_ | palhmbs: you could try a graphical configuration utility, like lxappearance, i think it does font settings too |
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| 09:24.39 | Ri_usw | laust: so, it rounds wrongly :) |
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| 09:24.49 | laust | SgrA's comp is running on fusion power |
| 09:24.56 | Arrowmaster | palhmbs: seriously, that font is always going to look butt ugly because it is butt ugly |
| 09:25.03 | Bus3rr0r | lol |
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| 09:25.19 | SgrA | :D |
| 09:25.28 | laust | Ri_usw> possible, actually i didn't make it myself, picked it somewhere.... and didn't check it :-/ |
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| 09:25.49 | tweek_ | btw, does anybody know why gnome fonts are rendered not-so-smoothly (compared to kde or gnome-on-ubuntu) |
| 09:25.49 | palhmbs | Arrowmaster, I just changed the font to Monospace 12 - |
| 09:25.54 | tweek_ | someone said licensing issues |
| 09:25.57 | SgrA | laust: If you haven't noticed already, SgrA* is the black hole in the nucleus of the Milky Way galaxy. ;) |
| 09:26.00 | palhmbs | I think it's still ugly |
| 09:26.12 | tweek_ | but kde in debian looks fine too, so that can't be it, right? |
| 09:27.06 | palhmbs | ok - I've gotta find a dark theme for LXDE now... |
| 09:27.11 | palhmbs | anybody have any favs? |
| 09:27.47 | Arrowmaster | palhmbs: Terminus |
| 09:28.02 | Arrowmaster | oh themes, nope cant help with that |
| 09:28.02 | palhmbs | aculich, nice nick - your obviously a slav? |
| 09:28.14 | laust | SgrA> I hadn't -> I'm smarter now (or less dumb) |
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| 09:28.43 | palhmbs | Arrowmaster, Terminus doesn't even come standard on debian 6 - eh what?! |
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| 09:28.54 | palhmbs | well at least not LXDE version |
| 09:28.59 | Arrowmaster | a lot of fonts dont come standard |
| 09:29.00 | Oliphaunt | it's a newbie question, I know, but what's the difference between /etc/group and /etc/group-? It's not mentioned in man group |
| 09:29.04 | Arrowmaster | but yeah you have to install it |
| 09:29.16 | Arrowmaster | Oliphaunt: one is a backup |
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| 09:29.55 | jelly-home | palhmbs: so, install it. apt-cache search terminus |
| 09:30.07 | Oliphaunt | Arrowmaster: right, thanks. as simple as that |
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| 09:31.47 | palhmbs | jelly-home, installed testing stand by for report... |
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| 09:32.03 | Arrowmaster | ill admit i got so used to Fixedsys on windows for my irc font that i had to find a replacement, and Terminus Bold is even better |
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| 09:32.52 | jelly-home | I prefer bitmap fonts for terminals, that might change if I get a screen with more than 150-200 dpi |
| 09:33.23 | palhmbs | ok I think I can live with terminus |
| 09:34.05 | palhmbs | now to get off here and go to bed - thanks for all your help guys - nice chatting with ya! |
| 09:34.06 | Bus3rr0r | pidof firefoxx |
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| 09:36.25 | tweek_ | 3974 |
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| 09:39.20 | ethanol | eh |
| 09:39.49 | ethanol | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 380 2011-03-25 10:25 groen-kompas.nl |
| 09:39.49 | ethanol | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 282 2011-03-25 10:25 groen-kompas.nl |
| 09:39.55 | ethanol | how did that happen? :| |
| 09:41.01 | SgrA | and which file stores the current cpu frequency? |
| 09:41.10 | SgrA | ( i use frequency scaling) |
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| 09:42.10 | tweek_ | i found /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq |
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| 09:42.30 | laust | SgrA> doesn't conky find the information on its own with the command ${freq cpu1} |
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| 09:43.58 | SgrA | laust: thanks |
| 09:44.12 | laust | you're welcome |
| 09:44.40 | project2501a | hey, does anybody use tivoli storage manager? |
| 09:44.44 | ethanol | ugh |
| 09:45.00 | ethanol | I moved one of the two groen-kompas files, now I get rm: cannot remove `groen-kompas.nl': No such file or directory for the other :< |
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| 09:49.31 | laust | ethanol> sed -e 's/ethanol/water/g'? (um.. sorry... ;-) ) |
| 09:50.04 | SgrA | :> |
| 09:50.16 | ethanol | http://pastebin.com/JGRTetVK |
| 09:50.17 | ethanol | :( |
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| 09:50.40 | ethanol | it is there, damnit |
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| 09:50.46 | ethanol | yet it is not |
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| 09:55.26 | ethanol | I had two groen-kompas.nl files, I moved one to groen-kompas.nl.tmp so I could at least open it/differentiate between them. but now when I open the first, it is empty (.tmp contains what I need) |
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| 09:56.43 | isaqual | Hello. Is there any way to execute crons from users directories ? |
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| 09:57.20 | tweek_ | ethanol: empty? but that means it's there, otherwise it would be file not found, right? |
| 09:57.30 | laust | ethanol> i'm no expert but i would copy the file to another partition and maybe run a fs check on the partition it's on now |
| 09:57.56 | simonrvn | exactly my thought, fs corruption |
| 09:57.56 | tweek_ | ethanol: just to make sure, there is no whitespace at the end? |
| 09:58.08 | ethanol | tweek_: nope dont think so |
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| 10:04.42 | laust | ethanol> have you tried that fs check? |
| 10:05.20 | ethanol | not yet, live system |
| 10:05.22 | ethanol | can I? |
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| 10:05.47 | laust | live system = you're running a live cd or live dvd? |
| 10:06.44 | ethanol | live as in production |
| 10:06.44 | ethanol | :p |
| 10:06.50 | ethanol | sorry |
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| 10:09.17 | worm | hello, after upgrading, update-grub complains saying grub can't be installed on either /dev/sdb or /dev/sda and returns the error : /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot stat `/dev/root' . Anyone know how to fix this issue ? |
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| 10:10.05 | laust | ah ok.. well i have never done it so i'm not very helpful :-/ Is the file on the root partition? |
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| 10:12.06 | hamid_rostami | I stablish a local mirror on my LAN from debian-squeeze DVD and try to netinstall from anouther system, but netinstall give me gpgv bad signature key |
| 10:12.41 | hamid_rostami | how can i disable gpg authentication in netinstall ? |
| 10:13.17 | hamid_rostami | I'm using Official businesscard images for the "stable" release |
| 10:13.20 | ethanol | ah, ls -lb shows the filename with a \ at the end |
| 10:13.33 | ethanol | so must be some non-printable character |
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| 10:16.14 | ethanol | there, solved it. seems to have been a tab character or something |
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| 10:48.47 | tweek_ | question: |
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| 10:49.45 | tweek_ | fsck at boot, when i skip it (with ctrl-c), a subsequent init script refuses to mount the file system |
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| 10:50.14 | tweek_ | i find that behavior problematic, this can lead to embarrassing situations |
| 10:51.42 | tweek_ | because you either wait for fsck to finish (which takes 10 minutes here), or manually mount it afterwards, either way making me look like a fool |
| 10:53.02 | tweek_ | to change this, you need 'allow_cancellation = true' in /etc/e2fsck.conf |
| 10:53.41 | tweek_ | my question to you is: is it reasonable to make a bug report that this should be the default behavior? |
| 10:53.43 | xk | well, whats the problem? if the fs is not unmounted cleanly, a fsck is required. |
| 10:53.57 | xk | and ^C is asking for inconsistent fs. |
| 10:54.02 | tweek_ | no, routine check, every 30 mounts or so |
| 10:54.10 | xk | you can adjust that to never / 0 |
| 10:54.17 | tweek_ | that's not what i want |
| 10:54.25 | xk | well. tough luck. |
| 10:54.32 | tweek_ | i want routine checks, but i want to skip them if i'm in a hurry for a presentation |
| 10:54.34 | xk | you want it different |
| 10:54.37 | xk | you change it to suit your need |
| 10:54.51 | xk | but fs consistent trumps business stupidity |
| 10:55.04 | xk | consistency |
| 10:55.32 | tweek_ | it's a ROUTINE check, it doesn't matter if i delay it for 1 more boot after 30 times not being checked, i think |
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| 10:56.27 | xk | tune2fs -c 0 /dev/sdaX |
| 10:56.37 | tweek_ | maybe let me put this the other way: |
| 10:56.41 | xk | look |
| 10:56.46 | xk | swallow it |
| 10:56.52 | tweek_ | friend comes, asks me to check something online |
| 10:57.01 | xk | you're wasting everyone's time |
| 10:57.05 | tweek_ | i say, sure, boot up my computer |
| 10:57.12 | xk | use ubuntu if you want pro-desktop decisions. |
| 10:57.26 | tweek_ | this would not impact server-compliance in any way |
| 10:57.39 | xk | pressing ^C accidently would |
| 10:57.41 | tweek_ | it's an interaction option, that will not change default behavior |
| 10:57.47 | tweek_ | yes |
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| 10:58.29 | tweek_ | you are right, but pressing ctrl c accidentally should not happen, and will have bad consequences anyway, right? |
| 10:58.35 | xk | yes |
| 10:59.03 | xk | if you want to interrupt it, customise the settings yourself |
| 10:59.11 | xk | but it does not suit 99.99% of the people out there |
| 10:59.12 | xk | hell |
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| 10:59.28 | xk | I have never pressed, nor wanted to press, ^C in my 16 years of using linux. |
| 10:59.34 | tweek_ | but it does, is my rationale here |
| 10:59.44 | tweek_ | doesn't have to be ctrl-c |
| 10:59.56 | tweek_ | but what do you do if you are in a hurry to boot up? |
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| 11:00.01 | xk | uhm |
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| 11:00.17 | tweek_ | like, presentation coming up, etc... |
| 11:00.23 | xk | tell whoever the fuck who has zero time management skills to fuck off. |
| 11:00.43 | tweek_ | it takes 10 minutes, i can't tell them to fuck off for 10 minutes |
| 11:00.52 | xk | look |
| 11:00.52 | tweek_ | ext3, slow hd, 100gb volume |
| 11:00.53 | xk | change config file |
| 11:00.54 | xk | end of story |
| 11:01.26 | tweek_ | yes, i will, don't get me wrong, i want to be constructive, and i believe this would add value without losing anything |
| 11:01.33 | xk | no it wont |
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| 11:01.58 | xk | because your requirement only meets 0.001% people |
| 11:01.59 | tweek_ | just to clarify, you can interrupt it with ctrl-c right now as well |
| 11:02.37 | tweek_ | the difference is, after you've killed it (for whatever reason), you don't have to mount it manually |
| 11:02.57 | xk | because its mounted read only? |
| 11:03.08 | tweek_ | and the way i understand it, killing it does not leave the filesystem in an inconsistent state, because it was a routine check anyway |
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| 11:03.25 | tweek_ | um, not sure, i think it's not mountet at all |
| 11:03.32 | xk | there's no problem. |
| 11:03.33 | xk | end of story. |
| 11:03.38 | xk | if you dont want it to check |
| 11:03.43 | xk | tune2fs -c 0 -i 0 is your friend |
| 11:03.50 | tweek_ | we are having a communication problem here |
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| 11:04.05 | xk | pressing ^C implies you dont want it to check |
| 11:04.24 | xk | you're digging a pointless hole. |
| 11:04.31 | xk | why not enable EVERYRTHING? |
| 11:04.40 | XoD | xk: if this really only meets 0.001% of people, ubuntu would not have that built-in since, uh, 1y or so... |
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| 11:04.53 | laust | tweek_> what you want is some kind of "snooze" function that will delay the check to the next boot? |
| 11:04.56 | tweek_ | as i said, i want a routine check, plus the option to skip it if i'm in a hurry (will be ckecked next time), and i know what setting i have to change, but i am arguing that this behaviour would be suitable for the majority of users |
| 11:05.00 | xk | ubuntu is aimed for desktops |
| 11:05.09 | Tex-Twil | hello, I have problems reading a partition image create with dd : http://pastebin.com/eRcg6JCT any ideas ? |
| 11:05.10 | xk | so data integrity is not a priority, if at all. |
| 11:05.12 | XoD | xk: now that you bring this to my attention, this is a good reason to only use debian on servers, right as you say |
| 11:05.12 | tweek_ | as is debian, check out debian.org |
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| 11:05.34 | XoD | xk only debian seems to say 'the everywhere os' or such IIRC :/ |
| 11:05.44 | Tex-Twil | the dd command finishes successfully |
| 11:05.45 | xk | yeah, everywhere with sane technical decisions. |
| 11:05.52 | xk | you know what I hate about ubuntu? |
| 11:06.03 | xk | why does it need to spin up _all_ drives if I mount an external flash card? |
| 11:06.07 | xk | seems pretty stupid |
| 11:06.19 | tweek_ | xk: we are not going anywhere, please don't take offense, let me ask you a technical question, because you made me uncertain about one thing: |
| 11:06.22 | xk | also, if I delete a file on the desktop, it also spins up _all_ drives that are asleep |
| 11:06.33 | XoD | xk: a routinecheck is *not* a sane technical decision in the age of computers rebooted every day, dual boot etc, with S.M.A.R.T. hds. |
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| 11:06.57 | dgram | people who need powerpoint up within 30secs clearly need powerpoint-OS... however i'd think some of those (asus e.g.) BIOS web-os'es & office live or google docs may just do that job |
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| 11:07.24 | tweek_ | if i kill the routine check at bootup with ctrl-c, does that leave the filesystem in an inconsistent way, assuming it was consistent before the routine check? |
| 11:07.58 | XoD | dgram: well, *i* for one only suspend/hibernate, so this isn't a problem. but forcing the fsck is not sane for mobile devices today IMHO |
| 11:08.05 | xk | but what if it wasnt consistent, you are still "allowed" to ^C |
| 11:08.13 | tweek_ | XoD: go without routine checks entirely? |
| 11:08.22 | tweek_ | xk: yes, but so you are now |
| 11:08.31 | xk | look |
| 11:08.34 | xk | you're a time waster |
| 11:08.44 | alami | i have install proftpd and xinetd and i can't start proftpd |
| 11:08.46 | xk | tune2fs -c 0 -i 0 |
| 11:08.50 | xk | otherwise fuck off |
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| 11:08.53 | XoD | and *yes*, it's sane to be on the safe side, so i'd second the decision to leave it as it is, only because nobody has the time to implement *double chek* |
| 11:09.18 | Pupeno[work] | Any ideas what program can I use to send non standard http methods to my server (for testing)? |
| 11:09.23 | tweek_ | xk: you have given me the technical answer i was asking you, thanks, please ignore me now |
| 11:09.26 | xk | _default_ doesnt mean it must consider 0.001% scenarios. |
| 11:09.39 | xk | unless it creates a BAD scenario |
| 11:09.45 | xk | if it doesn't create a BAD scenario |
| 11:09.46 | RichiH | looks at xk and wonders why the attitude is necessary |
| 11:09.48 | xk | then it is pointless. |
| 11:09.49 | tweek_ | our argument is about the 0.0001% |
| 11:09.51 | XoD | 'you pressed ctrl-c -- you cannot do that because the filesystem state *was invalid*' <- of course this would benefit the 1e9 users in lieu of some programmers days. but would be sane |
| 11:09.58 | tweek_ | i argue it's the other way around |
| 11:10.21 | xk | go to #ubuntu |
| 11:10.33 | tweek_ | XoD: why was it invalid? |
| 11:10.54 | tweek_ | xk: please ignore me, ok, i really don't want to waste your time |
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| 11:11.12 | xk | if you have no time to wait for fsck to complete |
| 11:11.13 | XoD | tweek_: for example because of a power fail/no clean shutdown. then you should not necessarily be able to stop the ck |
| 11:11.18 | xk | then we have no time for your stupid argument |
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| 11:11.57 | tweek_ | XoD: yes. but that is another scenario. what i mean is the 'there have been 30 mounts, let's do a check' |
| 11:12.07 | XoD | xk: i *am* in ubuntu. and a stay there. except for some lightweight virtual machines, where debian is running headless... |
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| 11:12.47 | XoD | xk: and though i'd like to move back to debian on oh so much devices, things like that keep accumulating, making me unhappy |
| 11:12.48 | xk | remembers having access to one ubuntu server, where ssh was _broken_ |
| 11:13.03 | xk | pity I couldn't replace that server |
| 11:13.10 | xk | since every other server depended on it |
| 11:13.10 | tweek_ | xk: so how can you tell me to go to ubuntu? |
| 11:13.40 | XoD | tweek_: sure. but the fsck could check for the 'clean unmount'. it *does* atm, only does not offer any choice. it's a low-featured proggy from the last millenium, what do you expect? |
| 11:13.46 | xk | people figure that out themselves. |
| 11:14.16 | XoD | xk: IIRC the most horrible ssh breakage came from debian... |
| 11:14.17 | tweek_ | XoD: so what's your setting at the moment? |
| 11:14.39 | XoD | tweek_: ubuntu on 4 desktops, debian on one :) |
| 11:14.53 | XoD | tweek_: and in all cases no unnessary reboots :) |
| 11:15.03 | tweek_ | no, i mean fsck, did you disable it completely during bootup? |
| 11:15.07 | xk | XoD: that came about because they didnt understand the code. |
| 11:15.20 | xk | if you dont understand, then how can you make technical decisions that dont impact other things? |
| 11:15.26 | xk | like this fsck thing |
| 11:15.45 | XoD | tweek_: the debian netbook (asus EEE) has only a 8gb SDD, so if there's a fsck, this should be quite fast. but i don't know, cause i never reboot it :) |
| 11:15.59 | xk | you want a computer to be a mind reader? ooho do fsck when I am not busy and dont have a presentation |
| 11:16.00 | tweek_ | ok, my harddisk is kind of slow |
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| 11:16.29 | DelphiWorld | hi buddy's |
| 11:16.39 | DelphiWorld | how do i reconfigure a package from scratch? |
| 11:16.46 | DelphiWorld | i mean restore default configuration file |
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| 11:17.25 | XoD | xk: we explicitely *don't* want a mind reader. it should *not* assume, all 30 reboots a fsck we want! |
| 11:17.47 | DelphiWorld | hi abrotman:) |
| 11:17.53 | abrotman | hiya |
| 11:18.15 | xk | well, if you reboot that many times, then it is a serious problem as to why :) |
| 11:18.21 | xk | either expectedly or unexpectedly |
| 11:18.21 | abrotman | yay aussies! |
| 11:18.48 | DelphiWorld | abrotman, sory to ask you :-) |
| 11:18.57 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: how do i restore default configuration for a package? |
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| 11:19.05 | abrotman | !tell DelphiWorld about confnew |
| 11:19.21 | XoD | xk the usage pattern of a netbook/notebook is just completely different from a server. and offering an option to abort an fsck doesn't break anything. i'd like it. if i *were there*, would you *disable that key sequence* for yourself, just to be safe?? |
| 11:19.44 | xk | it does break it |
| 11:19.49 | tweek_ | break what |
| 11:19.53 | xk | because what if the FS is inconsistent, do you want to be allowed to ^C |
| 11:20.00 | tweek_ | you are right now |
| 11:20.11 | tweek_ | that's the misunderstanding here |
| 11:20.17 | XoD | xk: of course provided it would only be stoppable if the fs is not marked dirty... |
| 11:20.34 | Zao | Assuming competence among tool developers of FL/OSS software is not something one should take for granted :D |
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| 11:20.40 | tweek_ | XoD: that would be even better, and more secure that what we have now |
| 11:20.40 | xk | well, the 30 mount count is a trigger that it is "not safe" |
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| 11:21.17 | xk | you'd need to reboot expectedly or unexpectedly 30 times in the span of 180 days. |
| 11:21.18 | tweek_ | xk: yes, but the option to delay it to the 31st time won't do much harm in my understanding |
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| 11:21.42 | xk | the option to delay your presentation isnt an option? |
| 11:21.44 | tweek_ | i mean 30 is probably a rule of thumb anyway, right? |
| 11:21.49 | xk | the option to boot up the laptop 15 minutes before is not an option? |
| 11:22.04 | tweek_ | no |
| 11:22.14 | laust | tweek_> IMHO the concern is that if you are allowed to delay at the 31st boot, then you will also be presented the option at the 31st boot |
| 11:22.14 | tweek_ | classes usually only last 45mins here |
| 11:22.15 | xk | the option to use sleep is not an option? |
| 11:22.20 | Zao | xk: "heh guys, machine is acting up, let me wing some introductory talking while it does it's thing" |
| 11:22.29 | Zao | Of course, if it's scheduled class things, prepare. |
| 11:22.30 | XoD | xk: the mount count is mostly guessing. that's why we have the 'or every x days', 'whatever comes first' (why not last as an option btw?), and why we can tweak it... we could have more features to brighten up the mobile users day. even asking for defaults on install would be an option, or do web? |
| 11:22.31 | xk | that's why mac laptops rock. Sleep works. |
| 11:22.40 | laust | and so on and you will end up always delaying it, so in the end it's the same as disabling autocheck and doing it manually |
| 11:23.04 | xk | whoever reboots their laptop every week has time to accept 1 fsck every 30 reboots. |
| 11:23.08 | tweek_ | laust: no, because next time i am at home and i have time |
| 11:23.25 | tweek_ | i have to reboot every day, because i have no battery for standby |
| 11:23.32 | laust | tweek_> yes but the fact YOU would do it correctly doesn't mean that another user will |
| 11:23.35 | xk | see |
| 11:23.37 | xk | that's not a typical scenario |
| 11:23.43 | XoD | xk: i cannot sleep on this proprietary gpu driver thing, that's bad, yes. so what can i do? debian still the 'only but good hardware' way? i like that, only it doesn;t work that way |
| 11:23.45 | xk | which means why should a default fit your non-typical scenario |
| 11:23.58 | xk | go get a battery |
| 11:23.59 | xk | use sleep |
| 11:23.59 | laust | tweek_> which is why i think xk means it's not safe if I understand correctly |
| 11:24.01 | xk | problem solved. |
| 11:24.05 | tweek_ | xk: changing the reboot frequency does not change the scenario, just the likeliness of it occuring |
| 11:24.15 | abrotman | xk: TBH, i shut it down when i'm not using it .. |
| 11:24.24 | abrotman | but i'm weird :) |
| 11:24.28 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: thank you anyway, i did: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install asterisk but my /etc/asterisk folder is still empty :( |
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| 11:24.38 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: probably the wrong package |
| 11:24.45 | tweek_ | sleep does not work on my machine, causes a kerneloops, but that is not the point here |
| 11:24.49 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: what is the file you want to 'restore' ? |
| 11:24.51 | DelphiWorld | abrotman, no, is it asterisk |
| 11:24.57 | tweek_ | and, as i said, sleep requires battery |
| 11:24.58 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: all all configs |
| 11:25.08 | abrotman | i need an actual file name :) |
| 11:25.18 | xk | now lets say if you had a power outage, or accidently removed power on a laptop |
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| 11:25.22 | DelphiWorld | abrotman, let say sip.conf :-) |
| 11:25.23 | xk | which in 99.99% of case, people would have a battery |
| 11:25.25 | xk | and it would be OK |
| 11:25.29 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: squeeze? |
| 11:25.40 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: surely, 6.0 |
| 11:25.40 | xk | but in your case, boom, potential inconsistent FS. |
| 11:25.46 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/all/asterisk-config/filelist .. see, you were doing the wrong package |
| 11:25.55 | xk | so you lose this game |
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| 11:25.59 | XoD | laust: well, i'd second that assumption of ever delaying. only: hds have becom soooo much better in the last decades, when has anyone seen the routine check fail? me not. and: i *would* let it run from time to time. only not on the train. or bus. or in the park. |
| 11:26.02 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: so? what to do? |
| 11:26.18 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: same command but the package is asterisk-config |
| 11:26.28 | xk | as far as I know |
| 11:26.34 | xk | fsck will not run if you run it on a battery |
| 11:26.41 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: strangest package in the world :D |
| 11:26.42 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: if you have any files in that dir now, you may want to back them up |
| 11:26.45 | xk | so you lose again |
| 11:26.52 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: nop is empty :-) |
| 11:26.54 | XoD | xk: oh, maybe yeah, didn't know that |
| 11:27.01 | xk | I tested it a few weeks ago |
| 11:27.07 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: and thank you for your concideration |
| 11:27.10 | XoD | xk: but according to your own saying, this is stupid, isn't it? |
| 11:27.15 | xk | nope |
| 11:27.19 | XoD | 11:56 < xk> but in your case, boom, potential inconsistent FS. |
| 11:27.26 | XoD | why not there? |
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| 11:27.36 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: got it :D |
| 11:27.44 | XoD | or *is* it run, if no clean unmout detecte? |
| 11:27.51 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: i was thinking this config was allready provided by asterisk.deb |
| 11:28.15 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: i did tell you it was likely the wrong package :) |
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| 11:28.31 | xk | XoD: if power is known to be reliable, fsck will run |
| 11:28.33 | DelphiWorld | thank you abrotman you rocks |
| 11:28.38 | xk | otherwise it is asking for more trouble to run when on battery |
| 11:28.39 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: thank abrotman |
| 11:28.39 | dpkg | de rien, DelphiWorld |
| 11:28.43 | abrotman | i rocks! \m/ |
| 11:28.43 | XoD | anyway. the 30, 40 or whatever *is* stupid guessing and we *could* offer more choice to the user |
| 11:28.51 | xk | choice is this. |
| 11:28.52 | abrotman | hugs asg and runs away |
| 11:28.55 | xk | change the config file |
| 11:28.59 | xk | to suit your batteryless laptop |
| 11:29.01 | DelphiWorld | abrotman, you speak french? |
| 11:29.08 | xk | or run tune2fs |
| 11:29.12 | xk | how hard is that? |
| 11:29.20 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: my french professors would be sad to hear me say "not much anymore" :) |
| 11:29.27 | laust | XoD> i agree that i'm also bothered sometimes by the check, however fsck cannot know whether you're a wise user or not |
| 11:29.27 | xk | do you want a default OS install that is 100% perfect and requires 0 changes for your setup? |
| 11:29.33 | DelphiWorld | abrotman:i heare something, but i can't belieuv it |
| 11:29.34 | xk | tell me who runs their laptop without a battery? |
| 11:29.35 | abrotman | especially that darling little woman from Belgium :) |
| 11:29.39 | xk | I just laugh at those people |
| 11:29.43 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: i heare that debian origin is france |
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| 11:29.52 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: Ian Murdock is not from France |
| 11:29.52 | xk | yet you have the balls to complain about defaults? |
| 11:29.53 | XoD | xk: you *cannot* on one hand tell us: the user has to be PRO and know about tunafish but on the other hand the user is STOOPID, he doesn't know if s/he wants fsck. sorry. i won't say any more. g2g |
| 11:30.01 | abrotman | !history |
| 11:30.01 | dpkg | [debian history] http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ or ask me about <release history> for the reader's digest condensed version. |
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| 11:30.09 | xk | XoD: so what do you propose? |
| 11:30.14 | xk | user is right 100% of the time? |
| 11:30.31 | xk | the laptop needs to know when someone has a presentation? |
| 11:30.32 | DelphiWorld | abrotman, remember when i was sending you pm;) |
| 11:30.44 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: and forcing you to send me help using pm :-) |
| 11:30.45 | xk | look |
| 11:30.53 | xk | you dont know what you want |
| 11:30.54 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: there are many people in france that have a lot of ties to Debian .. but Ian Murdock was from .. Indiana? Illinois? I don't remember |
| 11:30.59 | xk | but you want the os install to be perfect JUST FOR YOU |
| 11:30.59 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: that's was my issue now is harder for me to read #debian :D |
| 11:31.02 | xk | yes or no? |
| 11:31.08 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: gets easier over time, no? |
| 11:31.10 | xk | tell us all what you want |
| 11:31.13 | xk | and why you dont like the default |
| 11:31.23 | xk | instead of me justfying the default |
| 11:31.29 | xk | why dont you justify your proposed changes |
| 11:31.33 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: yep, but #debian is like a sea, lot of people, lot of traffic, like xk is sending maybe 10mbit/s of traffic ;-) |
| 11:31.51 | abrotman | he types fast, big pipe |
| 11:31.59 | xk | DelphiWorld: its to compensate my lack of presence over the last 6-7 years :) |
| 11:32.01 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: yeah i guess is a gig link :-) |
| 11:32.13 | abrotman | xk: you're getting there fast :) |
| 11:32.16 | DelphiWorld | lol xk but is harder for tts users to read like i am :D |
| 11:32.17 | tweek_ | xk: just because i have this bad feeling that we are just having a misunderstanding here, and because i'm leaving now: skipping a routine check of a consistent file system (which is currently possible anyway) should not prevent the file system from being mounted |
| 11:32.28 | tweek_ | is what i meant, sorry |
| 11:32.33 | DelphiWorld | ok abrotman, let me read the url! |
| 11:32.34 | xk | but |
| 11:32.44 | xk | the OS will allow you to proceed with the mount if you are running on battery |
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| 11:32.58 | abrotman | xk: someone said they changed that default behaviour |
| 11:33.00 | xk | running ^C presumes it's safe to do a fsck |
| 11:33.02 | tweek_ | no, generally, not on battery |
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| 11:33.38 | xk | abrotman: the no-fsck-but-mount-on-battery behaviour? |
| 11:34.06 | abrotman | xk: so i was told .. i don't know, mine is generally plugged in when it boots |
| 11:34.29 | xk | i'll try it right now |
| 11:34.35 | tweek_ | but the battery is a good example of the scenario i meant: sometimes you want to boot fast, but only sometimes |
| 11:35.40 | tweek_ | for anyone who's interested; i found that here: http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=511 |
| 11:35.50 | xk | hmm... |
| 11:37.05 | xk | maybe on low battery it doesnt do fsck |
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| 11:37.16 | xk | full battery, it did a journal recovery. |
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| 11:37.24 | xk | ok, lets force a fsck |
| 11:38.12 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: tel abrotman about yate |
| 11:38.12 | dpkg | DelphiWorld: wish i knew |
| 11:38.12 | abrotman | might have to go to ext4 for larger systems .. we'll see |
| 11:38.17 | abrotman | yate? |
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| 11:38.29 | DelphiWorld | lol |
| 11:38.42 | xk | there we go!!! |
| 11:38.48 | xk | fsck is not allowed while on battery |
| 11:38.54 | xk | however, it will do a journal recovery on battery |
| 11:38.59 | xk | er, full fs check |
| 11:39.34 | abrotman | xk: it was just what i was told .. i hadn't verified |
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| 11:40.18 | xk | then again, this is an ubuntu variant :) |
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| 11:40.33 | DelphiWorld | where's Stefano Zachhiroli;) |
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| 11:41.19 | xk | abrotman: yeah, you're right. it's been disabled. |
| 11:41.20 | xk | checkfs.sh:# file system if it is corrupt when running on battery. (bug #526398) |
| 11:41.20 | xk | checkfs.sh:#[ "$VERBOSE" = no ] || log_success_msg "Running on battery power, so skipping file system check." |
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| 11:42.33 | boota2 | I get "425 Unable to build data connection: Connection timed out" error after setting up proftpd on debian. |
| 11:42.39 | boota2 | Proftpd logs are clear. |
| 11:42.44 | boota2 | Where too look up? |
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| 11:44.34 | abrotman | boota2: tried passive mode? |
| 11:44.46 | boota2 | Yes. |
| 11:44.46 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: he's not normally on this network |
| 11:44.53 | boota2 | The server has white IP anyway. |
| 11:45.13 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: ya i know was just aarcane_ joke |
| 11:45.27 | DelphiWorld | s/aarcane_/a / |
| 11:45.38 | abrotman | oh okay |
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| 11:46.24 | xk | so solution is this. if you have a laptop and reboot as if it's windows, use -c 0 -i 0 |
| 11:46.25 | xk | how hard is that |
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| 11:48.31 | DelphiWorld | ok guys, thank you a lot |
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| 11:48.37 | DelphiWorld | thanks abrotman for your time |
| 11:48.39 | boota2 | Hm, it was really passive mode. |
| 11:48.42 | boota2 | Thanks. |
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| 11:49.17 | ethanol | debian does not have a php5 package without the suhosin crap? |
| 11:49.34 | abrotman | ethanol: i don't think so |
| 11:49.45 | ethanol | oh well, it'll have to do then |
| 11:51.19 | xk | well, you can disable the module |
| 11:51.27 | xk | just purge the .ini file that loads the module. |
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| 11:52.05 | DelphiWorld | lol abrotman |
| 11:52.10 | abrotman | ? |
| 11:52.15 | DelphiWorld | abrotman, my package didn't get fully reconfigured lol |
| 11:52.18 | abrotman | xk: i anm not sure it's a module :( |
| 11:52.20 | DelphiWorld | thay get only one folder inside! |
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| 11:52.24 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: huh ? |
| 11:52.32 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: yeah realy |
| 11:52.37 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: /msg dpkg confmiss .. use the same package |
| 11:52.41 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: didn't get all filed |
| 11:52.43 | xk | php5-suhosin: /usr/lib/php5/20060613/suhosin.so |
| 11:53.21 | xk | (php 5.2.x forward ported to squeeze) |
| 11:53.24 | xk | :o |
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| 11:55.21 | DelphiWorld | thanks abrotman got it now :P |
| 11:56.11 | Krobar | Xen users; is it possible to create a Xen Paravirt VM with a PCI device ID? (Xen-Create-Image cant seem to do this) |
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| 11:56.42 | xk | is KSM used for anything else other than KVM? |
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| 12:02.18 | heikster | hi guys, |
| 12:02.30 | heikster | got strange problem with squeeze |
| 12:02.52 | Leoneof | hi heikster |
| 12:02.59 | heikster | i installed a new system yesterdays |
| 12:03.17 | heikster | everything normal and working fine |
| 12:03.43 | heikster | today i ssh to the server, but i cant get root anymore by su |
| 12:03.50 | boota2 | how do i modify only group permissions using chmod? |
| 12:04.05 | heikster | i alwaysgot the message: |
| 12:04.07 | boota2 | i can write "chmod 660" but that's not what i want |
| 12:04.22 | boota2 | Because it'll reset permissions for owner and others |
| 12:04.31 | xk | chmod g+X where X is r,w,x |
| 12:04.40 | xk | or -X |
| 12:04.50 | boota2 | Ok, thanks. |
| 12:04.58 | heikster | %user% couldn't be executed: file or folder not found |
| 12:05.15 | xk | or use = if you want to define what's set, and the reset unset. |
| 12:05.24 | heikster | (sorry for the bad translation from german) |
| 12:05.31 | xk | er, s/reset/rest/ |
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| 12:06.16 | xk | so equivalent of .6. would be chmod g=rw |
| 12:06.39 | xk | or g+rw, providing o is not originally set. |
| 12:06.52 | xk | er, sorry x |
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| 12:08.35 | heikster | when i try to run synaptic in gnome, the program prompts for the password |
| 12:09.06 | heikster | but exits after typing it in with the message: |
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| 12:09.43 | heikster | failed to communicate with gksu-run-helper |
| 12:09.54 | heikster | received: |
| 12:10.08 | heikster | while expecting: |
| 12:10.15 | heikster | gksu: waiting |
| 12:10.27 | bibekp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:11.42 | heikster | anybody expierienced such kind of problems? |
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| 12:12.53 | abrotman | bibekp: did 2.1 have that? the 2.2 packages in lenny have that binary |
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| 12:13.23 | bibekp | abrotman, yes, but i am using 2.1, so i wanted to know if something like cyrus21-utils exists (didnt find in apt-cache search cyrus21). |
| 12:13.39 | bibekp | or if upgrading from 2.1 to 2.2 would not break what is working now |
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| 12:14.18 | abrotman | bibekp: i did that upgrade from 2.1 to 2.2 .. it wasn't without issue .. but the issues weren't awful |
| 12:14.29 | abrotman | my biggest issue was subscriptions to shared folders |
| 12:14.38 | bibekp | abrotman, have you written about the issues somewhere? a blog etc? |
| 12:14.50 | abrotman | what's a blog? |
| 12:15.01 | bibekp | or if you can tell me something like: if can do some mkdirs maybe? if you know in which directories, would be helpful. i think /var/lib/cyrus/user/ but i am not sure |
| 12:15.11 | bibekp | i want to create mail folder for a user abrotman |
| 12:15.32 | bibekp | i meant if you have written about the problems with your upgrade somewhere on the web, like in a weblog (blog) |
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| 12:19.19 | pmurias | if my network administrator didn't provide me with a dns server, i can set up my own? |
| 12:19.28 | sep | yes or use any public one |
| 12:19.40 | sep | or just ask him |
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| 12:21.48 | nevyn | or make a dhcp request and see if it gives you a pair? |
| 12:21.57 | abrotman | bibekp: nope, i haven't .. i probably whined on IRC a bit though :) |
| 12:22.10 | pmurias | nevyn: dhcp doesn't work |
| 12:22.21 | abrotman | bibekp: ideally, you'll back up your whole system, read the 2.1->2.2 debian docs .. and go forth |
| 12:22.31 | pmurias | google's 8.8.8.8 should be fine? |
| 12:22.53 | petemc | pmurias: why not just try it? |
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| 12:26.02 | NoNaMeNo | hi, yesterday I asked about freeradius and tls support |
| 12:26.22 | NoNaMeNo | and I thought I had to recompile the package |
| 12:26.32 | NoNaMeNo | but now I thought about backports |
| 12:26.38 | NoNaMeNo | is it a good/better idea? |
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| 12:27.24 | bibekp | abrotman, hmm. thanks |
| 12:27.54 | petemc | NoNaMeNo: if it saves you recompiling sure |
| 12:28.28 | NoNaMeNo | how can I know its compile options? |
| 12:28.45 | petemc | it should tell you whats supported when you run it |
| 12:28.54 | pmurias | petemc: it worked, google++ |
| 12:28.56 | petemc | or run it in debug mode with freeradius -X anyway |
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| 12:29.41 | NoNaMeNo | it should be this one: http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/freeradius |
| 12:30.00 | NoNaMeNo | it has libssl as dependency |
| 12:30.05 | NoNaMeNo | yay :D |
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| 12:32.27 | abrotman | bibekp: i vaguely recall there were very few real issues .. |
| 12:32.41 | abrotman | bibekp: but really, squeeze doesn't have a 2.1, so you're best bet is to do it now |
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| 12:36.17 | pmurias | why when installing debian after i supplied an incorrect dns server i got a generic "Error" messages instead of a more specific one? |
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| 12:38.01 | alami | i want to see if proftp runing on my debian, and i give netstat -aux punta | grep proftp, is that right? |
| 12:38.02 | WaterRatj | how do you reinstall something with its default settings? |
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| 12:43.45 | TheAvatar | When using a preseed file for debian6 inst, I have problems with the swap partition. It gets insanely huge like 48-66GB. I tried various combinations in the preseed file. Any ideas of what I am missing? 2048 2048 2048 linux-swap $defaultignore{ } $lvmok{ } method{ swap } format{ } . |
| 12:43.57 | TheAvatar | I also tried the default from the example files 64 512 300% |
| 12:44.52 | frikinz | WaterRatj: aptitude purge <package> and then aptitude install <package> |
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| 12:45.53 | xk | dpkg: tell WaterRatj about confmiss |
| 12:46.38 | frikinz | xk isn't that for missing conf files? |
| 12:46.55 | frikinz | confnew maybe would help |
| 12:46.58 | xk | hmm |
| 12:47.27 | xk | yeah, confnew |
| 12:48.00 | xk | does confnew work if the files are missing? |
| 12:48.10 | xk | what if they are half missing, half need to be overwritten? :) |
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| 12:49.13 | frikinz | what happens if you provide confmiss AND confnew? |
| 12:49.14 | frikinz | :) |
| 12:49.23 | xk | it might explode |
| 12:49.45 | Paranoyak | hello |
| 12:50.00 | Paranoyak | how do i upgrade grub to grub2 without mess? |
| 12:50.27 | Paranoyak | i just have installed grub2 but nothing changed during boot |
| 12:50.27 | petemc | pretty hard considering grub2 is a mess in general |
| 12:50.31 | xk | heh |
| 12:50.38 | xk | who thought of grub2's new configuration format |
| 12:50.44 | petemc | hitler |
| 12:50.53 | xk | it's a configuration format for programmers |
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| 12:52.07 | Bushmills | isn't linux an OS for coders? |
| 12:52.20 | petemc | not really |
| 12:52.31 | Pumba | it may have used to be |
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| 12:52.47 | Bushmills | then grub2 simply returns to the old idea :D |
| 12:52.51 | xk | heh |
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| 12:53.00 | Pumba | (back in the days of "Macs are for working. Linux is for networking. Windows is for Solitaire.") |
| 12:53.12 | xk | what's happened with all the version 2 of softwarE? |
| 12:53.17 | xk | afterstep 2 was a diaster of a rewrite |
| 12:53.22 | xk | xmms 2 was a disaster of a rewrite |
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| 12:53.27 | xk | and now grub? |
| 12:53.39 | Pumba | nowadays, there's a couple of "Linux" flavors that are fully usable as desktop environments |
| 12:53.52 | Bushmills | as so often, version 1 to grok the problem in detail, and version 2 to do it right |
| 12:54.19 | petemc | grub2 is doing it right? |
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| 12:55.11 | Pumba | (this sounds interesting, could I get a summary of what's been talked before I joined?) |
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| 12:56.05 | Bushmills | the setup of including parts from a config dir is not wrong. nor is the concept of generating the config file. this allows customisation in parts, without patching the config file itself. |
| 12:56.55 | Bushmills | same principle has been introduced to many other packages and programs |
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| 12:57.27 | Bushmills | think of apache, apt, (starting with packages with "a" as first letter) |
| 12:58.53 | Bushmills | incidentally, apache is also in version 2 now :) |
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| 13:00.32 | Pumba | Linux is in version 2 as well ;) |
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| 13:05.58 | jelly | xk: |
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| 13:06.51 | jelly | xk: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?SecondSystemEffect |
| 13:07.27 | xk | heh |
| 13:08.05 | petemc | Bushmills: the conf.d stuff isnt the real problem, it was a lack of decent documentation and things like the problems with the magic that update-grub performed |
| 13:08.30 | Leoneof | hello, how to update Kernel to the newest version? |
| 13:08.42 | Leoneof | or latest* version |
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| 13:09.47 | abrotman | Leoneof: what is it now? |
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| 13:10.38 | Leoneof | abrotman: i see in the Kernel website, v2.6.38.1 |
| 13:10.43 | abrotman | Leoneof: what is it now? |
| 13:10.48 | abrotman | what is *yours* |
| 13:11.00 | Leoneof | abrotman: i've Linux computer 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Tue Mar 8 21:36:00 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 13:11.22 | abrotman | that is the newest for squeeze .. if you want newer, you get to compile it yourself |
| 13:11.33 | Leoneof | :/ |
| 13:11.47 | xk | mar 8 2011 not new enough? |
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| 13:12.27 | Leoneof | xk: but isn't old ? look at 2.6.32 and 2.6.38 |
| 13:12.45 | xk | ;) |
| 13:12.57 | Pumba | Leoneof: do you expect significant improvements in usabiility by upgrading the kernel? |
| 13:12.58 | jelly | Leoneof: if you have a particular CVE number to worry about, look at the |
| 13:13.02 | jelly | !tracker of doom |
| 13:13.02 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/. Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 13:13.40 | Leoneof | Pumba: i think so |
| 13:13.46 | Leoneof | jelly: thanks |
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| 13:14.37 | xk | look at the security bugs against smarty |
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| 13:15.11 | Pumba | I'd just like to make sure that you don't want to upgrade simply for having the newest pieces of software available. Once you're doing your own kernel, you'll have to figure out what questions to ask on your own... |
| 13:15.11 | xk | webkit, heh. even more! |
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| 13:17.45 | Pumba | Leoneof: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en gives some basic information for creating kernels "the debian way", I heard that 2.6.38 might be available in sid repos |
| 13:18.06 | diago | I need to install the newest alsa for my laptop's sound card, is there a way to create a backport from the current installed alsa |
| 13:19.01 | vlt | Hello. When I run fetchmail from a shell my .fetchmailrc conf file is used. Which file is used when run from local.rc or cron tab? |
| 13:19.56 | justin | vlt: something in /etc/fetchmail... ? |
| 13:21.03 | optraz | when we telnet to a host with a certain port and within split second, the response is "Connection closed by foreign host." , can we conclude that the timeout from the server is in the millisecond? |
| 13:21.08 | Leoneof | Pumba: thanks :) |
| 13:22.16 | xk | optraz: what service? |
| 13:22.16 | Pumba | welcome |
| 13:22.22 | abrotman | Leoneof: in general, if you don't have a good reason, don't upgrade it on your own |
| 13:22.41 | xk | optraz: could be dns failure / failure match against host-based ACL. |
| 13:23.02 | optraz | xk: the server running tomcat or jsp on port 8443. |
| 13:23.14 | Leoneof | abrotman: it can ruin the system? |
| 13:23.16 | optraz | xk: what is dns failure/ failure host-based acl? |
| 13:23.31 | xk | well, does the service allow / deny connections by hostname? |
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| 13:24.16 | xk | if it closes straight away... then it's quite possible the service is not running with correct permissions somewhere. so it fails and closes the connection immediately. |
| 13:24.36 | xk | as for tomcat? wouldnt have a clue. |
| 13:25.26 | optraz | xk: when i do telnet to the host, the telnet gaves , Connected to XXX.XXX.XXX. and so i think it *is* connected and that means the service allow.. |
| 13:25.43 | optraz | xk: the question was, the response is "Connection closed by foreign host." , can we conclude that the timeout from the server is in the millisecond? |
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| 13:27.34 | WaterRatj | there an easy way to update my server from lenny to squeeze? |
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| 13:28.43 | xk | optraz: quite possible but not certain. |
| 13:29.07 | Bushmills | !lenny>squeeze |
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| 13:29.22 | Bushmills | hm |
| 13:29.31 | optraz | xk: quite possible? what make you think that? |
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| 13:31.41 | Bushmills | WaterRatj: man apt-get for dist-upgrade |
| 13:32.04 | xk | you know more about tomcat than I do |
| 13:32.23 | xk | i only suggested one possibility to look at |
| 13:32.37 | xk | hard to make conclusions without solving the problem |
| 13:32.47 | xk | or even looking at the problem |
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| 13:33.40 | optraz | xk: what was the problem is what i am finding it out right now |
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| 13:34.19 | xk | I gave suggestion what could potentially cause the outcome you noticed |
| 13:34.59 | optraz | xk: ok.. waht are the way i can find out if you can suggest? |
| 13:35.06 | xk | dunno |
| 13:35.08 | optraz | from different perspective or using any tools? |
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| 13:35.11 | xk | as I said, I know _nothing_ about tomcat |
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| 13:35.40 | xk | i know there are consultants out there that charge an arm and a leg to solve obscure tomcat issues :) |
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| 13:36.39 | optraz | hehee |
| 13:36.44 | optraz | i dont know if it is tomcat issue. |
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| 13:37.41 | fiacha | Hi... i have a job that moves a ~18GB backupfile daily to a backup server (smbmount). For the last 3 days i have been getting the error: "Input/output error" and the file is corrupt. Does anybody have any idea on what might be causing this? (still on lenny) |
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| 13:38.05 | xk | dont backup to a windows share? |
| 13:38.19 | fiacha | xk: >_< |
| 13:38.32 | fiacha | xk: like i have a choice? |
| 13:38.41 | xk | remembers backing up _from_ a windows share. damn flakey SATA card + dodgey system. |
| 13:38.53 | xk | fiacha: if you dont have a choice, then it is asking for problems. |
| 13:39.40 | superstraw | fiacha what is the backup server's filesystem? I get that error when having linux back up from an ntfs share, and the file that errors is in use |
| 13:39.49 | xk | every time I've hit a problem that was too difficult to solve, it was because the original technical decision was made based on "business" reasons. |
| 13:39.54 | xk | MIOW: save money, solve problems later. |
| 13:39.56 | xk | iow |
| 13:39.58 | superstraw | permissions maybe |
| 13:40.10 | fiacha | superstraw: My guess would be ntfs (Server 2008 or so) |
| 13:40.32 | xk | how long have the backups been going for? |
| 13:40.33 | nevyn | so what's the correct way to fix a broken download of the package lists? |
| 13:40.38 | fiacha | superstraw: so it might be in use? I should ask, thanks for the hnt! |
| 13:40.39 | xk | is it RAID? software? hardware? |
| 13:40.42 | fiacha | *hint* |
| 13:40.43 | xk | SATA? SAS? |
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| 13:40.57 | nevyn | I generally just blow away /etc/lib/apt/lists and list/partial |
| 13:41.11 | nevyn | and that makes it good but is there a "proper" way to do this? |
| 13:41.15 | fiacha | xk: about a year or so... first time i has this problem |
| 13:41.26 | superstraw | fiacha to fix I just went to the box (nt4.0) and made a copy of the file, then just backed up the copy |
| 13:41.56 | fiacha | xk: it is a san backed server.. it is a professional san (emc2 or piller) |
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| 13:42.47 | xk | hmm |
| 13:42.59 | xk | check if the file is still "open" |
| 13:43.06 | fiacha | superstraw: for me it happens when i am trying to move the file from my debian system to the ntfs share. But i think the backupsoftware on the windows erver might already be trying to read the file/interfering in some way |
| 13:43.06 | xk | I remember there's a windows integrated tool to do that. |
| 13:44.02 | fiacha | xk: yea good idea. I will try to check that (if they let me on the server ;-) |
| 13:44.20 | xk | but iv'e only had to do that if multiple people opened a file for write |
| 13:44.38 | xk | then word says "this file is already opened" and other rubbish. |
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| 13:45.00 | xk | as for the destination file, is it the right size, or incorrect size? |
| 13:45.04 | xk | is it 100% corrupted? |
| 13:45.29 | fiacha | xk: hmm so when i am moveing a file i would expect the destination to be locked.. but with windows / share etc i guess anything is possible >> |
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| 13:46.18 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: ntfs |
| 13:46.18 | dpkg | [ntfs] Windows NT File System. There are 3 drivers in Debian: the read-only Linux kernel driver and <FUSE> drivers providing write support. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <ntfsck>, <label>. FAQ: http://linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en . http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS http://linux-ntfs.org/ #ntfs on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 13:47.25 | fiacha | xk: no it is not fully corrupt. luckily i had par2 generated before move (never though i needed that). One block (out of 2000) was corrupt the first two days. Today it's 2. Also i see the source files are not deleted since the move failed... |
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| 13:48.20 | fiacha | Source files are of course 100% ok |
| 13:49.09 | fiacha | DelphiWorld: when accessing a windows netowrk share, does the file system used even matter? I mean i need samaba, but not a ntfs driver.. or? |
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| 13:49.37 | DelphiWorld | fiacha: i'm accessing a disk in linux using ntfs |
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| 13:50.07 | fiacha | DelphiWorld: oh nm. sorry to interrupt ;-) |
| 13:50.22 | DelphiWorld | fiacha: lol no problem |
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| 13:50.45 | abrotman | fiacha: have you tried using a method other than your script ? |
| 13:50.49 | nevyn | DelphiWorld: what's the problem? |
| 13:50.53 | abrotman | just transferring a large file in general |
| 13:51.06 | Bushmills | fiacha: yes, it does matter. the volume-side machine must be able to access it. |
| 13:51.07 | nevyn | nt3fs is the beast you probably want |
| 13:51.07 | DelphiWorld | nevyn: was readonly i'm going to try fuse |
| 13:51.59 | fiacha | Bushmills: yes, of course :) |
| 13:52.16 | DelphiWorld | nevyn: got ntfs-3g |
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| 13:52.39 | nevyn | ntfs-3g is what I ment.. |
| 13:52.47 | dudz_ | i followed these instructions: http://linux.simple.be/debian/usb |
| 13:52.55 | dudz_ | to create a bootable usb stick that i could use to install debian from |
| 13:53.05 | dudz_ | though now i'm geting linuxrc not found |
| 13:53.32 | fiacha | abrotman: well, the scrpt just calls a "mv -f source dest". I guess i could try something like ftp instead of working with a share... but i don't think the windows server has an ftp server... |
| 13:53.41 | abrotman | rsync? |
| 13:54.05 | abrotman | dudz_: the Debian installation manual has instructions on how to do that |
| 13:54.09 | dudz_ | ok |
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| 13:54.14 | fiacha | abrotman: no since the other side is windows without rsync installed |
| 13:54.16 | abrotman | dudz_: those instructions are out of date |
| 13:54.27 | dudz_ | splendid |
| 13:54.43 | DammitJim | hey guys, what does it mean when you are installing wheezy and the system tells you that the architecture is not supported? and then it asks you to pick another mirror? |
| 13:54.46 | abrotman | fiacha: ah right .. |
| 13:54.48 | fiacha | abrotman: i am no trying to just cp it and see if it still fails |
| 13:54.53 | abrotman | DammitJim: which arch ? |
| 13:55.08 | Bushmills | dudz_: http://www.debian.org/CD/live/index.en.html - search for "hybrid" |
| 13:55.20 | dudz_ | btw is it just me or has the debian.org website got bad routing latly ? |
| 13:55.20 | abrotman | fiacha: wait .. if it's mounted over a samba share, you can still use rsync |
| 13:55.28 | dudz_ | i tried the otherday and it takes some time to load |
| 13:55.32 | abrotman | dudz_: it's a GeoIP thing I believe |
| 13:55.34 | dudz_ | still looks the same now |
| 13:55.38 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: if i cd to my directory: |
| 13:55.41 | DammitJim | abrotman, I have no idea what "architecture" means... all I know is that I have a laptop |
| 13:55.44 | DelphiWorld | -bash: cd: passport: Stale NFS file handle |
| 13:55.46 | fiacha | abrotman: oh yea, i forgot. Good idea :) |
| 13:55.46 | DammitJim | and I have installed it in many laptops |
| 13:55.58 | abrotman | DammitJim: i386? amd64? alpha? sparc? |
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| 13:56.13 | DammitJim | i386 |
| 13:56.19 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: pretty much means what it says |
| 13:56.29 | abrotman | DammitJim: i'd try another mirror then .. they most all have i386 |
| 13:56.29 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: so what to do! |
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| 13:56.39 | DammitJim | but I didn't think there was a difference between a Dell Inspiron 9400 and a Latitude D630 |
| 13:56.45 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: google probably knows more than me |
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| 13:56.58 | DammitJim | abrotman, I did... and it worked... I was just concerned that my laptop was messed up |
| 13:56.59 | fiacha | abrotman: I will try it right now. Thank you! :) |
| 13:57.25 | fiacha | Thanks for all the quick help all!! ^_^ |
| 13:57.29 | dudz_ | does debian.org load normally for other people ? |
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| 13:57.59 | abrotman | DammitJim: soundsl ike a mirror was messed |
| 13:58.07 | abrotman | dudz_: works fine here, and fast |
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| 13:58.12 | dudz_ | ok sweet |
| 13:58.13 | fiacha | dudz_: well for me anyway... but what is abnormal for you? :) |
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| 13:58.41 | dudz_ | i live in australia though so thats probably it :) |
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| 14:00.17 | abrotman | all the bits are being slowed by the current tidal flows |
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| 14:00.46 | xk | sigh. I just broke dns |
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| 14:01.48 | Bushmills | xk, you didn't. root servers can still be reached |
| 14:01.55 | xk | nah, on the servers i deal with. |
| 14:02.07 | xk | local dns resolution is borked. |
| 14:02.22 | dudz_ | its probably for the best |
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| 14:03.44 | xk | found out the problem |
| 14:03.45 | xk | lol |
| 14:03.53 | xk | forgot to enable NAT on the gateway after I rebooted |
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| 14:05.43 | xk | wonder how long I broke it for |
| 14:05.45 | xk | 5-10 minutes |
| 14:06.13 | xk | doesnt matter... it's 1am for the server. |
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| 14:06.17 | xk | er, usual customers |
| 14:06.40 | mrtnt | I have a WS-C2950G-24-EI switch, which crached today- both optical interfaces(they form an etherchannel) to uplink switch were up, but couldn't speak LACP. In addition, I was not able to access switch over the console cable. Finally I power-cycled the switch and once it booted up, everything was fine. However, what might cause this? Under flash: directory there are no crachdump files. |
| 14:07.03 | xk | dead fan? |
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| 14:07.26 | mrtnt | log was flushed after the reboot. However, what might cause such issue? |
| 14:07.34 | mrtnt | xk: no, fans are fine |
| 14:08.49 | xk | 2950G... that's the 100mbit version with gige uplinks? |
| 14:08.54 | Bushmills | mrtnt: switch has flash as mass storage, and therefore writes logs to RAM only? |
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| 14:10.39 | nvz | I just tried to install aircrack-ng and it said its not available and apt-cache search aircrack showed nothing.. is it not in squeeze? |
| 14:11.01 | Bushmills | ,versions aircrack-ng |
| 14:11.02 | judd | Package aircrack-ng on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.0~rc1-2; sid: 1:1.1-1.1 |
| 14:11.10 | abrotman | apparently ont! |
| 14:11.11 | abrotman | not |
| 14:12.11 | abrotman | !removals |
| 14:12.11 | dpkg | The log of Debian package removals (including removal reasons) for this year is at http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.txt . For logs of previous years, see http://ftp-master.debian.org/#removed |
| 14:12.14 | abrotman | and i don't see itin there |
| 14:12.28 | dudz_ | is the debian images for hybrid usually stored in debian-cd sub-directories or ? |
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| 14:13.48 | nvz | hmm.. so I'm kinda screwed for wifi hacking on squeeze shor of grabbing it from sid I guess |
| 14:13.58 | dudz_ | nvm i found it, its in amoungst the live isos |
| 14:14.14 | nvz | don't NEED to hack wifi.. I'm just bored and house sitting in a neighborhood with lots of APs.. |
| 14:14.18 | nvz | figured it would be something to do |
| 14:14.44 | nvz | already hacked 5 FIOS ones, but thats too damn easy. heh |
| 14:14.53 | nvz | took me all of 5 minutes |
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| 14:15.17 | dudz_ | nvz, you should do something more productive with your spare time :P |
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| 14:15.39 | nvz | dudz_: I got nothing particularly productive to do other than maybe sit here and answer questions |
| 14:16.04 | dudz_ | how about guide me with a usb install of debian ? |
| 14:16.06 | nvz | the shit I need to do involves me being clear on the other side of town |
| 14:16.17 | dudz_ | i'm leeching the debian-live-6.0.0-amd64-standard.iso now |
| 14:16.36 | nevyn | is my local mirror broken or has rackarrack been dropped from debian? |
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| 14:16.48 | nvz | dudz_: I used to do those a lot.. these days I pretty much always use PXE its just easier and seems to work in every case even those where USB and CD wont |
| 14:16.58 | hesco | Trying to rescue an unbootable newly built server, on an ssh attempt, I see: PTY allocation request failed on channel 0 |
| 14:17.07 | patch__ | hi |
| 14:17.07 | dudz_ | pxe ? |
| 14:17.08 | jelly | nevyn: /msg judd versions rackarrack |
| 14:17.14 | nvz | dudz_: when I do usb installs I use unetbootin, its simple |
| 14:17.16 | hesco | I've booted from the d-i in rescue mode. |
| 14:17.31 | jelly | nevyn: also packages.debian.org |
| 14:17.39 | nvz | dudz_: PreeXecution Environment. booting via a network card with a bios |
| 14:18.00 | nvz | dudz_: I keep the debian installers on my netbook and just hook up a cable to boot the installer via ethernet |
| 14:18.02 | dudz_ | interesting |
| 14:18.22 | hesco | I assembled my RAID arrays, executed a shell in my root partition and mounted my boot partition |
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| 14:18.44 | nevyn | jelly: packages has it. that's what confuses me. |
| 14:18.49 | dudz_ | yeah my servers motherboard supports network booting, should give that a try |
| 14:18.56 | nevyn | http://packages.debian.org/sid/sound/rakarrack |
| 14:18.58 | hesco | any clues why I would be unable to get a tty when I ssh in? |
| 14:19.07 | nevyn | but I can't install it. |
| 14:19.39 | nvz | dudz_: yeah I've had several cases recently where the system wouldnt take anything other than PXE, and once its setup (your PXE server) its easy to change which dist and arch you're gonna install, you cna even keep many different installers on the same server and choose from the bootloader which to load |
| 14:20.19 | nvz | dudz_: using unetbootin is dead simple and has a GUI, but if you don't mind learning a useful trick, PXE installs are really cool.. just kinda hard to get the hang of at first |
| 14:20.28 | dudz_ | yep thats something i was tryign to do the otherday, this distribution that lets you have a multi boot usb to choose what to run from at boot up |
| 14:20.35 | dudz_ | though it didn't seam to work on all machines i tried |
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| 14:20.56 | dudz_ | that network bootloader would be neat |
| 14:21.12 | hesco | my real issue here though, what leads me to rescue this brand new installation is that my SATA drives and their software RAID array are not being seen my the BIOS as potentially bootable drives. |
| 14:21.32 | nvz | dudz_: I've actually used PXE to flash a BIOS.. which impressed the shit out of me.. my friend had a machine that couldn't boot any media and said, couldn't you do it over PXE? and I was like idk.. heh few hours later I figured out a way to use syslinux to load a floppy flash image via PXE |
| 14:21.48 | dudz_ | i think in that case hesco you need to select boot other or attempt to boot other devices |
| 14:21.56 | dudz_ | even if they are not listed |
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| 14:22.28 | dudz_ | nice nvz |
| 14:22.32 | hesco | dudz_: not sure that is a possibility, but will reboot to check. |
| 14:23.47 | DammitJim | abrotman, interesting about the mirror being messed up... the ftp.us one has been having a lot of issues lately |
| 14:24.15 | abrotman | it's a roundrobin .. i don't use the ftp.us for exactly that reason |
| 14:24.41 | nvz | I've had issues at least in D-I with ftp.us.d.o many times recently |
| 14:24.58 | nvz | I typically choose mirrors.kernel.org, its a fast server and has never failed on me |
| 14:25.00 | dudz_ | trying out unetbootin, thanks for the suggestion. |
| 14:25.05 | abrotman | DammitJim: you're in FL .. why not use the uga mirror? |
| 14:25.24 | DammitJim | yeah, that's the one I ended up picking |
| 14:25.26 | abrotman | dudz_: the installation manual tells you how to do this .. you don't need unetbootin either |
| 14:25.34 | abrotman | it's not hard .. it's actually really easy |
| 14:25.44 | nvz | dudz_: yeah unetbootin is in squeeze, ubuntu, and even included in pqmagic (a partition distro available with unetbootin and a handy tool) and its also available for windows |
| 14:25.46 | dudz_ | yeah the only issue is i have a very large lag when i try use debian.org |
| 14:25.56 | dudz_ | it takes like between 5-10minutes to load each page |
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| 14:26.11 | abrotman | dudz_: try www.nl.debian.org ? |
| 14:26.25 | abrotman | bleh .. redirects now! |
| 14:26.48 | dudz_ | yeah thats the same :P |
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| 14:27.42 | abrotman | it used to be different, or at least not redirect |
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| 14:32.41 | dudz_ | abrotman, maybe there using ip2location or similar to and directing you to your language |
| 14:32.51 | abrotman | who knows .. not that big of a deal |
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| 14:32.56 | dudz_ | hehe |
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| 14:47.58 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 14:47.58 | dpkg | <ricky_clarkson> A girl has invited me to learn it with her, from a video, in her bedroom :) |
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| 14:51.04 | abrotman | !flw |
| 14:51.04 | dpkg | <nvz> greycat: I dont need it to constantly check it, my clocks are all reliable enough.. some may have dead batteries or incompetant 2nd os's but that can be fixed with /etc/init.d/ntpdate running at startup |
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| 14:58.49 | xk | 269 qotd on dpkg, heh. |
| 14:58.55 | xk | well, +1 if you include 0 |
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| 15:03.37 | effting_ | Hi there. I need some help with PAM. When I login, the LANG and LC environment variables are not set. It doesn't read /etc/environment, etc. Is there any way to debug PAM? I do not see any errors in syslog or auth.log |
| 15:04.11 | starenka | hi folks! |
| 15:04.29 | starenka | what's the best way how to hook a shell script on machine halt? |
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| 15:06.32 | abrotman | starenka: on poweroff/reboot? |
| 15:06.36 | starenka | s/machine halt/before X shuts down |
| 15:06.51 | abrotman | oh .. different |
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| 15:07.20 | jelly | dpkg, tell effting_ about locales |
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| 15:08.06 | jelly | effting_: (/etc/default/locale is the correct file now) |
| 15:09.11 | effting_ | jelly: my /etc/default/locale is set to LANG=en_US.UTF-8; however locale says that my locale has been set to POSIX |
| 15:10.38 | effting_ | (and I generated it with dpkg-reconfigure locales) |
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| 15:13.44 | jelly | effting_: oh. well, man pam_env suggests adding a "debug" option |
| 15:14.02 | jelly | to that module's parameters in the respective /etc/pam.d/ file |
| 15:14.29 | effting_ | jelly: thx, I'll give that a try |
| 15:15.25 | alexb_1 | hi all ,I get "udev-configure-printer: Failed to get parent" in syslog. how do i fix it? thanks. Printer is working. |
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| 15:18.30 | effting_ | jelly: should I somehow restart pam after changing its config files? |
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| 15:20.38 | jhutchins_lt | effting_: No need, it runs when called, not as a daemon. |
| 15:21.16 | jelly | what he said |
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| 15:22.42 | effting_ | strange; I added the debug option for pam_env.so to /etc/pam.d/login and /etc/pam.d/sshd and nothing gets logged to syslog |
| 15:23.01 | effting_ | I getting the feeling that all my files in /etc/pam.d are not read at all |
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| 15:26.34 | effting_ | fyi: I am using Debian Lenny with libpam-modules version 1.0.1-5+lenny1 |
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| 15:31.45 | sakitram | hi, is it possible to exchange files using crosswire/normal lan cable between two system, 1 Debian linux, anther windows xp? |
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| 15:32.33 | dudz_ | when i try install debian from a usb it keeps trying to mount the cdrom |
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| 15:32.44 | justin | sakitram: yes |
| 15:33.04 | justin | dudz_: it what? |
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| 15:33.06 | wolfric | dudz_: and? |
| 15:33.07 | jhutchins_lt | !tell dudz_about ig |
| 15:33.16 | sakitram | which one is easier - with crosswire or normal lan cable wire? |
| 15:33.20 | dudz_ | it wont let me proceed |
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| 15:33.25 | justin | sakitram: irrelevant |
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| 15:33.28 | justin | dudz_: why not? |
| 15:33.30 | jhutchins_lt | sakitram: It depends on the hardware. |
| 15:33.31 | sakitram | and also please tell me the steps follow for this |
| 15:33.33 | wolfric | dudz_: can you... clarify? Other than "it won't let you" |
| 15:33.35 | Sylchauf | Hello |
| 15:33.41 | dudz_ | the debian installer |
| 15:33.45 | jhutchins_lt | sakitram: Most network cards will only connect directly to each other with a crossover cable. |
| 15:33.48 | dudz_ | is what i mean by "it" |
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| 15:33.59 | sakitram | ok |
| 15:34.00 | cusco_ | hi folks |
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| 15:34.09 | Sylchauf | Can you say me if a french channel exist to help me plz ? |
| 15:34.09 | dudz_ | i need to create a link perhaps to my usb and mount that as cdrom ? |
| 15:34.14 | jhutchins_lt | sakitram: You can use putty's scp program to make the tansfer. |
| 15:34.17 | iankp | My computer doesn't seem to detect when headphones are plugged in. It just plays through the headphone jack and the speaker. Debian 6. Does anybody know how fix this? |
| 15:34.31 | dudz_ | mount my usb device as /cdrom perhaps |
| 15:34.35 | sakitram | ok.. once I connect the system, will be able to detect the hardware and mount it and use it directly? |
| 15:34.43 | cusco_ | iankp: headphones usb ? |
| 15:34.47 | jhutchins_lt | dudz_: You need to read the install guide section on installing from USB. |
| 15:34.54 | sakitram | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.01 | dudz_ | i don't have a debian system right now to follow the installation guide |
| 15:35.05 | iankp | cusco, no, built in. Toshiba satellite |
| 15:35.45 | jhutchins_lt | sakitram: ssh/scp is the simplest method, in order to mount the other system's shares as a filesystem you would need to install and configure samba on the Debian box. |
| 15:36.11 | jhutchins_lt | sakitram: putty and pscp are simple downloads that don't need any installation on windows. |
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| 15:36.37 | sakitram | fine, I shall try now.. |
| 15:36.39 | sakitram | Thanks |
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| 15:37.55 | slops | jordanm: ping |
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| 15:40.09 | dudz_ | i used universal usb installer in the past to create a bootable usb stick, any other tools like this that support debian squeeze ? |
| 15:40.34 | dudz_ | i just tried that method earlier but i am stuck when the debian installer tries to mount the cdrom drive |
| 15:40.40 | sephii | Sylchauf: #debianfr |
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| 15:41.18 | sephii | dudz_: define 'stuck' |
| 15:41.27 | dudz_ | i can't get past that process |
| 15:41.31 | justin | dudz_: download debian iso. dd iso onto usb drive. boot |
| 15:41.32 | Sylchauf | Thx sephii |
| 15:41.35 | jhutchins_lt | dudz_: Please read the install guide. dpkg sent you a link in a query. |
| 15:41.40 | dudz_ | the debian install wont continue untill i tell it where my cdrom drive is |
| 15:41.55 | jhutchins_lt | dudz_: That's because you didn't follow the directions. |
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| 15:42.08 | dudz_ | i am not currently using linux |
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| 15:42.34 | Noor_egy | hello im using debian 6 and want install mysql workbench but dont fiend any reposit and cant built it from source |
| 15:42.57 | dudz_ | jhutchins_lt, i have identified to nickserv now, perhaps thats why i didn't get the link query before |
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| 15:43.14 | jhutchins_lt | !tell dudz_about ig |
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| 15:43.30 | dudz_ | !tell dudz about ig |
| 15:43.36 | dudz_ | ok cool |
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| 15:44.10 | Noor_egy | can anyone help me with that ? |
| 15:44.20 | Noor_egy | installing mysql workbench |
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| 15:55.04 | NightMiles | Noor_egy: Google turned up http://www.robo47.net/blog/193-Installing-Mysql-Workbench-5.2.11-from-source-on-Debian-6.0-Squeeze |
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| 15:58.08 | NightMiles | and just for kicks I will give those instructions a go on my own machine to make sure they work |
| 15:58.16 | kaream | hi |
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| 16:04.41 | effting | Ok; this pam thing is frustrating me. How can I simply test if a pam config file is being read pam? |
| 16:04.54 | superstraw | our db has a file for notes with the latest notes appended to it every day, is there a clever way I can track and search only the parts of the file that have changed, so when I grep it I'm not grepping the entire file, just the new parts? |
| 16:05.33 | Noor_egy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:06.10 | NightMiles | Noor_egy: Can you provide the errors and other issues you observed? |
| 16:06.20 | psiklops | hi. i have a 0ccd:0077 TerraTec Electronic GmbH Aureon Dual USB "soundcard" and just installed empathy in Squeeze. Every time my friend and i want to connect to each other over mic (googlemail) empathy crashes with this message: http://pastebin.com/6UwEqUmd |
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| 16:08.54 | worm | hello, after upgrading, update-grub complains saying grub can't be installed on either /dev/sdb or /dev/sda and returns the error : /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot stat `/dev/root' . Anyone know how to fix this issue ? |
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| 16:09.49 | Noor_egy | ok NightMiles: im build it again now and will send u the error |
| 16:09.57 | NightMiles | Noor_egy: Okay |
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| 16:12.10 | JBzh | hi |
| 16:14.56 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions empathy |
| 16:14.57 | judd | Package empathy on i386 -- lenny: 0.23.3-3; lenny-backports: 2.26.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.30.3-1; sid: 2.30.3-1+b2; wheezy: 2.30.3-1+b2; experimental: 2.91.91-1 |
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| 16:15.51 | jhutchins_lt | Noor_egy: You might see if pidgin works for you. |
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| 16:20.07 | psiklops | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.07 | psiklops | +other over mic (googlemail) empathy crashes with this message: http://pastebin.com/6UwEqUmd |
| 16:20.12 | pdeee | hrm, I could be imagining this but for some reason debsecan does not seem to know that the recent updates to iceweasel and iceape fix a security vulnerability |
| 16:20.19 | frikinz | worm: upgrading from what to what? |
| 16:20.21 | pdeee | at least in sid |
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| 16:20.48 | worm | frikinz: apt-get upgrade I meant. I'm still on lenny though |
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| 16:22.33 | frikinz | !lenny->squeeze |
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| 16:23.58 | frikinz | hum |
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| 16:24.09 | jhutchins_lt | psiklops: Does pidgin cover what you need empathy for? |
| 16:24.51 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: lenny->squeeze? |
| 16:24.51 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>. |
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| 16:25.33 | frikinz | worm: â |
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| 16:25.41 | Miesco | Is there a way to see my battery throughput? |
| 16:25.55 | Miesco | How much power I am using? |
| 16:26.48 | rozie | Miesco: is it laptop? |
| 16:26.49 | bzed | Miesco: get a power meter? |
| 16:27.16 | worm | frikinz: didn't really want to upgrade to squeez now... but doing that should fix Grub ? |
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| 16:27.46 | bzed | Miesco: the output of powertop might be what you're looking for, though |
| 16:28.47 | Noor_egy | NightMiles: http://codepad.org/xWszJHMF |
| 16:28.57 | Miesco | hold on I need to redo this screen session, if you change the sessionname after you already started screen it messes up |
| 16:28.58 | jelly | Miesco: grep . /sys/class/power_supply/BAT*/* |
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| 16:30.19 | superlinux | hi. when I turn on my camera with skype the terminal says : libv4l2: error turning on stream: No space left on device . which device it means? |
| 16:30.45 | Miesco | What is mAh with regard to batter power? |
| 16:30.58 | Miesco | What was the command you mentioned, powertop? |
| 16:31.42 | frikinz | worm: /dev/root points to /dev/sdaX normally where sdaX is the partition where your / is. |
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| 16:32.00 | frikinz | worm: try to create the link manually? |
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| 16:32.29 | weaseal | hmm trying to install pypanel, but it's saying package not found |
| 16:32.35 | weaseal | anyone know which repo I need? |
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| 16:34.05 | petemc | weaseal: according to http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/pypanel.html it was removed |
| 16:34.14 | weaseal | sorrow |
| 16:34.16 | weaseal | wonder why |
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| 16:36.47 | worm | frikinz: ok, symbolic link ? |
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| 16:37.16 | petemc | weaseal: check debian bug #507905 |
| 16:37.29 | jake_ | I have just bought a usb mouse for my laptop. When I first plug it in, the light underneath flashes red but then it doesn't work (and the light turns off). Any ideas? |
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| 16:38.31 | weaseal | petemc: hmm. odd that debian would remove something for being "dead" when they simply stated on the website that the product is "done" - it's intentionlly extremely simple, and as of version 2.4 they could not find anything to add or take away to make it better |
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| 16:39.00 | petemc | weaseal: it mentions bugs too, and there did seem to be other bug reports for it |
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| 16:39.09 | superlinux | hi. when I turn on my camera with skype the terminal says : libv4l2: error turning on stream: No space left on device . which device it means? |
| 16:39.10 | maligor | jake_, plug it in, and run 'dmesg | tail -n 20' and put into a pastebin |
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| 16:39.45 | Miesco | Hmm, whats the option for grep that will make it just return 0 or 1 |
| 16:39.48 | Miesco | with no output |
| 16:39.55 | Miesco | cant find it... |
| 16:40.09 | jake_ | unable to enumerate USB device on port 1 - doesn't sound good |
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| 16:40.10 | Noor_egy | hmm im trying to build mysqlworkbench on debian but it gives me this error http://codepad.org/xWszJHMF |
| 16:40.12 | honschu | Hi, how to disable SendCoreEvents for a specific mouse that is listed with "xinput list" ? |
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| 16:41.06 | maligor | jake_, nothing else of interest in it? |
| 16:41.29 | maligor | jake_, if it's on a usb hub, you might try plugging it in directly |
| 16:41.39 | Miesco | ah I found it its grep -q |
| 16:41.50 | xperia | hello to all. i have here a linux hardware problem with the pcmcia SiL 3512 Sata Link Card. |
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| 16:41.52 | xperia | this here is the output of lspci => http://pastebin.com/tEzBrT4Q |
| 16:41.54 | xperia | the kernel does recognise pretty well the card and load also the "sata_sil" driver that works with that card |
| 16:41.55 | xperia | #lspci | grep Sil |
| 16:41.57 | xperia | 06:00.0 Mass storage controller: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3512 [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller (rev 01) |
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| 16:42.48 | xperia | but for some reason first the leds on the card does not blink or burn |
| 16:42.50 | xperia | and second when i connect my sata harddisk i get allways error messages like this here |
| 16:42.51 | xperia | http://pastebin.com/vMM33wFg |
| 16:42.53 | xperia | it allways print out "ata4: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 310)" |
| 16:42.54 | xperia | anybody know what is needed to get my sata card to work with this pcmcia card. i looked extra to buy linux friendly hardware and thinked this delock 61618 PCMCI Card that is delevired with linux driver would work with no problem but unfortanely it makes problems |
| 16:43.22 | frikinz | worm: yes. I have to go. its strange that you don't have this file. if you want others to help, give a lot more info. good luck. bye |
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| 16:45.01 | jelly | xperia: which disk are you connecting to it? |
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| 16:46.07 | jelly | xperia: a newer kernel/driver (2.6.36 or newer) might act differently |
| 16:46.47 | xperia | jelly: i am connecting the seagate Momentus XT => http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/products/laptops/laptop-hdd/ |
| 16:46.50 | jhutchins_lt | xperia: What release are you running? Which kernel? |
| 16:48.15 | xperia | btw. hard disk has SATA 2 Inteface but PCMCIA Card has only SATA 1. dont know if that maybe is the problem but it would be strange that a harddisk does only work with sata 2 interface and is not backward compatible |
| 16:48.19 | jelly | xperia: I've experienced a bit of trouble with ST31000333AS, so same vendor, but a hybrid drive will be rather different |
| 16:48.54 | jelly | xperia: that is weird. SiI 3512 should fully support SATA2 |
| 16:48.57 | jhutchins_lt | xperia: What happens if you connect the disk before boot? |
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| 16:49.39 | xperia | hmmm nothing it just goes to grub |
| 16:49.51 | jelly | xperia: does the card have a SATA or an eSATA physical interface? |
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| 16:50.10 | xperia | it has esata interface |
| 16:50.48 | xperia | i am using a cable with one esata plug and one sata L plug |
| 16:50.57 | jelly | my older SiI 3132 does SATA2 and hotplug w/ eSATA connector quite well |
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| 16:51.33 | jhutchins_lt | xperia: What release are you running? Which kernel? |
| 16:51.46 | xperia | hmmm think problem is the software raid which is somehow included in this card. have readed it need fakeraid |
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| 16:51.52 | diabel | Hello |
| 16:52.12 | xperia | i am using debian wheezy |
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| 16:52.23 | jelly | xperia: uname -a ? |
| 16:52.30 | dudz_ | i'm currently installing debian squeeze |
| 16:52.57 | diabel | I've got a problem http://wklej.org/id/499729/ |
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| 16:53.19 | diabel | I don't know what should I do |
| 16:53.28 | xperia | kernel here is 2.6.33.2 |
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| 16:54.34 | jelly | xperia: please paste the actual output of uname -a |
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| 16:54.37 | AthomIk | hello |
| 16:54.55 | xperia | it make me crazy that i am not even able to configure the raid in windows. bad card reall. on the cd it has about 10 Linux Drivers for nearly every Distro like Redhat Suse and others |
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| 16:56.10 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 16:56.10 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.38-1-686 (2.6.38-1); wheezy: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 16:56.33 | wolfric | does debian not have aircrack-ng packages in it's repos? |
| 16:56.37 | jhutchins_lt | xperia: Try installing a Debian kernel, then we might be able to help you. |
| 16:57.02 | wolfric | I can't seem to find any reference to aircrack or aircrack-ng. Currently running wheezy |
| 16:57.17 | jelly | ,versions aircrack-ng |
| 16:57.19 | judd | Package aircrack-ng on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.0~rc1-2; sid: 1:1.1-1.1 |
| 16:57.47 | jelly | dpkg, tell wolfric about why aircrack-ng is not in testing |
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| 16:58.57 | niklaswe | can i install Debian 6.0 from usbstick? or must i make one? |
| 16:58.58 | jelly | wolfric: it won't enter testing until the RC bug (#588588) is resolved |
| 16:59.25 | xperia | okay i will try to get this stupid card to work first in windows then i will test it on debian again. just got a idea to test it on a other laptop where debian is installed too. good till later then all. |
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| 16:59.52 | wolfric | jelly: that's a bit odd. so you just remove packages from the repos in testing or unstable if they have bugs? |
| 17:00.06 | jelly | wolfric: no, just testing. |
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| 17:00.38 | jelly | and only release-critical level bugs |
| 17:00.38 | wolfric | jelly: what would be the best way to get it? |
| 17:00.53 | jelly | wolfric: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 17:02.54 | abrotman | jelly: well, IIRC, the maintainer can request it be removed for any number of reasons |
| 17:02.56 | wolfric | would backport in this case be pulling in a version from sid? |
| 17:03.02 | bhodder | has anyone setup a dhcp server with multiple subnets or address ranges? |
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| 17:03.53 | jhutchins_lt | wolfric: Yes. |
| 17:03.55 | wolfric | bhodder: what's the problem? (btw your server has to have an address in every range to serve ips in that range) |
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| 17:04.29 | AthomIk | i can add package of sid on my stable ? |
| 17:05.05 | jhutchins_lt | AthomIk: It is recommended that you NOT install it directly. |
| 17:05.11 | jhutchins_lt | !tell AthomIk about ssb |
| 17:05.23 | bhodder | wolfric: that is true, well I need to be able to serve ips on a network but have some that can access another network and others that cannot |
| 17:06.17 | AthomIk | jhutchins_lt: yes it s a nvidia drivers for gt 430 |
| 17:06.22 | bhodder | for ex. I want the address to be 2.2.2.x and some access 4.4.4.x and the others not |
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| 17:06.42 | jhutchins_lt | AthomIk: See msg from dpkg. |
| 17:06.53 | Guest33511 | !list |
| 17:06.53 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 17:06.58 | AthomIk | jhutchins_lt: ok, thx |
| 17:07.33 | wolfric | bhodder: can you elaborate? some what? and how does " accessing another network" come into dhcp? |
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| 17:10.13 | bhodder | well for my firewall settings I will need to know what ips can access the other network, but still want all my address to be given out via dhcp on one network. Therefore say in office I want all to be 2.2.2.x but the certain computers get placed inthe range 2.2.2.50 - 2.2.2.60 and set to acces the datacenter 4.4.4.x |
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| 17:11.42 | diabel | update-alternatives: error: alternative link /usr/bin/from is already managed by cpp. |
| 17:12.02 | diabel | how to fix this? |
| 17:12.08 | justin | diabel: fix what? |
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| 17:13.07 | diabel | justin: http://wklej.org/id/499733/ |
| 17:13.09 | wolfric | bhodder: so assign computers you want to firewall to a certain range and set the gateway to firewall those ips. |
| 17:14.25 | justin | diabel: /var/lib/dpkg/info/bsdmainutils.postinst |
| 17:14.40 | justin | diabel: comment out the update-alternatives lines |
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| 17:15.42 | bhodder | is there a way though to set the dhcp server to have ranges set so that a computer can ask for an ip and based on info from the computer to know what range to put it in? |
| 17:16.09 | diabel | justin: thanks :D |
| 17:16.24 | bhodder | this is pretty much what I want http://pastebin.com/tF8SLVJN |
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| 17:17.04 | miguel000 | where does my mail go by default when i run fethmail as regular user |
| 17:17.13 | miguel000 | with my .fetchmailrc set up |
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| 17:17.36 | justin | miguel000: wherever your .fetchmailrc tells it to go |
| 17:17.43 | wolfric | bhodder: you can set up static dhcp entries that will give out ips based on mac address.. what other "information from the computer" are you implying? |
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| 17:18.33 | bhodder | well I didnt want to have to put mac address in incase a newcomputer was setup: for example maybe domains or workgroups |
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| 17:19.16 | miguel000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.25 | miguel000 | thats what my fetchmailrc says |
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| 17:19.32 | miguel000 | but i have no idea where the target file is ? |
| 17:19.45 | justin | miguel000: default is probably ~/mail or some such |
| 17:19.53 | justin | miguel000: you should really configure that further |
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| 17:20.50 | AthomIk | use you pssh in ? |
| 17:21.42 | niklaswe | must i create an usbpen image or have the debian team already made one? |
| 17:22.04 | justin | niklaswe: you can use the .iso |
| 17:22.39 | niklaswe | justin: make an dd if=debian-netinstall.iso of=/dev/usbpen ? |
| 17:22.46 | justin | yes |
| 17:22.54 | niklaswe | ty then i will try that |
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| 17:24.34 | AthomIk | niklaswe: cat debian-netinstall.iso /dev/sdX |
| 17:24.45 | AthomIk | i have read on the debian web |
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| 17:25.32 | NightMiles | Noor_egy: I am testing out a theory. If it works I will give you instructions for getting workbench to compile on debian. |
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| 17:27.15 | slavalle | I am running Squeeze on a test server and I'm trying to get mod_gnutls running. I tried 'sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-gnutls' which I found on a couple of sites, but apt-get was unable to locate it, do I have the name of the package wrong? |
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| 17:30.18 | Noor_egy | thank you |
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| 17:30.40 | ogkwrer | i need some editor to draw gifs. |
| 17:31.05 | justin | ogkwrer: gimp? |
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| 17:31.26 | ogkwrer | justin, that would be like killing a ant with a su-35. |
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| 17:31.29 | ogkwrer | heh |
| 17:31.34 | ogkwrer | justin, something simpler. |
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| 17:31.42 | ogkwrer | would be better. |
| 17:31.51 | justin | slavalle: what does apt-cache search "" | wc -l give? |
| 17:32.15 | slavalle | 3864 |
| 17:32.21 | justin | slavalle: your sources.list is broken |
| 17:32.29 | slavalle | ack |
| 17:32.47 | justin | should have almost 29,000 |
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| 17:33.37 | slavalle | justin: is there a simple way to repair it? |
| 17:33.47 | benste | hi - is there a list of open projects wihin DEBIAN which are possible for GSoC |
| 17:33.50 | benste | ? |
| 17:33.52 | ogkwrer | justin, some hint else? |
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| 17:34.41 | benste | -- jsut found it changeing an old link :-) - would be nice if someone engaged with GSoc could tell google to add |
| 17:34.43 | benste | http://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2011 |
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| 17:34.52 | justin | ogkwrer: something like deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 17:35.16 | justin | ogkwrer: or just /msg dpkg sources.list, that factoid has the 2 lines you need |
| 17:36.23 | ogkwrer | justin, is that a sarcasm/irony? |
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| 17:40.13 | Miesco | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:40.23 | Miesco | How would I make that permenant? |
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| 17:41.58 | Miesco | hmm how do I enable an option in the kernel if its binary? |
| 17:42.00 | Miesco | in debian |
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| 17:46.21 | Miesco | hmm how do I enable an option in the kernel if its binary? |
| 17:46.56 | nevyn | Miesco: build a new kernel... |
| 17:47.02 | nevyn | or you mean a sysctl? |
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| 17:48.07 | Miesco | nevyn: Can I get the kernel from apt? |
| 17:48.23 | nevyn | Miesco: what's the option you need enabled. |
| 17:48.38 | babilen | Miesco: You probably want to set module options in, for example, /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf .. something like "options snd-hda-intel power_save=1" probably |
| 17:48.40 | nevyn | oh. that goes in /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 17:48.53 | Miesco | nevyn: CONFIG_PM_ADVANCED_DEBU |
| 17:48.54 | Miesco | G |
| 17:49.10 | nevyn | Miesco: you can only access that at compile time |
| 17:49.18 | nevyn | do you know if it's set in the default kernels? |
| 17:49.26 | Miesco | Its not |
| 17:49.27 | twiggz | I use the liquorix kernel myself... |
| 17:49.28 | Miesco | I dont think |
| 17:49.37 | nevyn | grep CONFIG_PM_ADVANCED_DEBUG /boot/config* |
| 17:49.45 | crissi | hello. i have problems with ntlm_auth on squeeze after upgrading from lenny. it gives: NT_STATUS_INVALID_HANDLE: Invalid handle (0xc0000008) |
| 17:49.53 | crissi | any hints how to fix? |
| 17:49.58 | Miesco | nevyn: nope |
| 17:50.13 | nevyn | Miesco: nope it's set to NO? |
| 17:50.18 | nevyn | or nope that didn't work |
| 17:50.23 | Miesco | nevyn: grep returns nothing |
| 17:50.32 | Miesco | so I guess its set to no |
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| 17:51.04 | Miesco | babilen: Is that an actual option? |
| 17:51.23 | nevyn | Miesco: that's not so. |
| 17:51.57 | babilen | Miesco: yes |
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| 17:54.00 | schoppenhauer | hello. is it possible to install packages without having the init-scripts of installed daemons run? like, when I want to install samba inside a chroot, want to have it fully configured, but not started afterwards, because it is a chroot? |
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| 17:55.26 | slonopotamus | why apt-cache search gives me random results? |
| 17:55.42 | DammitJim | random? |
| 17:55.45 | slonopotamus | yeah |
| 17:55.45 | DammitJim | noway |
| 17:56.07 | DammitJim | after doing apt-get update? |
| 17:56.23 | Miesco | what about: echo min_power > /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/link_power_management_policy |
| 17:56.50 | urz | Hello, I ran the debian installer and made a dual boot, but now I do not have access to the lenovo recovery partition. Does anybody have a copy of the factory provided mbr for a windows 7 lenovo? |
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| 17:57.20 | justin | urz: add the lenovo partition to the grub menu? |
| 17:57.22 | urz | Or could teh debian instalelr or grub have automatically backed up the mbr for me by any chance? |
| 17:57.32 | urz | justin, tried, no good |
| 17:57.52 | justin | don't you get into the recovery partition by a bios option or something? |
| 17:57.53 | slonopotamus | DammitJim: always :) http://dpaste.org/m7vz/ out of those, i see only 4 relevant |
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| 17:58.06 | Miesco | How do I get the linux kernel source from apt? |
| 17:58.10 | urz | theres no mention in the bios setup |
| 17:58.24 | urz | i need the original mbr |
| 17:58.41 | DammitJim | man, how does apt know to go to http://dl.google.com stable/main Translation-en_US ??? it's not in my source.list ile |
| 17:58.57 | maligor | Miesco, you mean linux-source packages? |
| 17:59.01 | Miesco | so local.conf is modprobe.d is the one you make yourself? |
| 17:59.02 | justin | DammitJim: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 17:59.07 | Miesco | maligor: thanks |
| 17:59.09 | DammitJim | Miesco, I'm sure you can apt-cache search linux-source | grep <kernel-version> |
| 17:59.51 | Miesco | Why is there two, 2.6 and 2.6.32 |
| 17:59.53 | slonopotamus | DammitJim: things like "apt-cache search fortran" are even worse |
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| 18:00.05 | Miesco | oh onces a meta |
| 18:00.11 | DammitJim | oh no |
| 18:00.28 | DammitJim | damn google... it keeps waiting for headers |
| 18:00.36 | justin | slonopotamus: try --names-only ? |
| 18:00.50 | justin | apt-cache also searches package descriptions |
| 18:01.00 | urz | why doesn't grub just put an mbr backup in /boot |
| 18:01.28 | DammitJim | oh... it's not google... this thing is hanging because of something else |
| 18:02.01 | slonopotamus | justin: still doesn't work properly. for apt-cache search fortran it gives "fort77 - Invoke f2c like a real compiler" |
| 18:02.11 | justin | slonopotamus: so? |
| 18:02.33 | slonopotamus | you see "fortran" there? i don't |
| 18:02.37 | justin | Provides: fortran77-compiler |
| 18:03.11 | justin | do you have an actual problem or are you just here to complain? |
| 18:03.56 | Miesco | Will linux-source have the .config I have for the binary kernel where it recognizes all my hardware? |
| 18:04.31 | justin | Miesco: the kernel you have now does not recognize all your hardware? |
| 18:05.03 | babilen | Miesco: And in particular: What is not recognised? |
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| 18:05.33 | Miesco | justin: it does |
| 18:05.37 | Miesco | what? |
| 18:05.39 | wildc4rd | evenin' all! |
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| 18:06.51 | babilen | Miesco: Ok, let me rephrase: Why are you compiling a kernel? Do you know about make-dpkg? |
| 18:06.55 | Miesco | is linux-source vanilla? |
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| 18:06.59 | babilen | Miesco: make-kpkg that is :) |
| 18:07.12 | Miesco | babilen: no |
| 18:07.21 | babilen | !tell Miesco -about make-kpkg |
| 18:07.31 | babilen | Miesco: Also: Why are you compiling a kernel? |
| 18:08.03 | mha_ | How can I install KDE from DVD tar.gz2 about 18 packages in total |
| 18:08.27 | justin | mha_: what? |
| 18:08.48 | twiggz | if you need a newer kernel, just use the liquorix kernel....i have no problems with it. |
| 18:09.01 | babilen | mha_: Haven't we been through this before? Your linux magazine is not the official Debian DVD and Debian does not yet ship KDE 4.6 |
| 18:09.12 | mha_ | I installed debian 6 now, but KDE was not installed. however I have KDE on the dvd in tar.gz2 |
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| 18:09.19 | babilen | mha_: I had the impression that you could install KDE just fine from the network mirrors, isn't that so? |
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| 18:09.45 | mha_ | babilen: yes we've been before |
| 18:09.54 | dudz_ | how do i install a apt public key |
| 18:10.00 | dudz_ | i have some .asc file |
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| 18:10.09 | babilen | mha_: So, what is the problem? Those tar.bz2 files are unrelated to Debian |
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| 18:10.34 | niklaswe | hmm which is best.. make a raid 0 or use lvm for the best performance? |
| 18:10.46 | Miesco | babilen: So make-kpkg will this make the kernel config like the debian binaries which already have my hardware added? |
| 18:10.59 | Miesco | or do I still have to do vim .config |
| 18:11.02 | babilen | Miesco: What are you trying to achieve? Why do you want to compile a kernel? |
| 18:11.04 | erAbuelo | buenas tardes |
| 18:11.08 | mha_ | babilen: and this means I need to install them one after the other in sequence to avoid dependancy errors!! |
| 18:11.15 | Miesco | babilen: So I can set a config option |
| 18:11.22 | babilen | Miesco: Yes, make-kpkg compiles a kernel with sane configuration |
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| 18:11.26 | Miesco | Which I was told is only set at compile time |
| 18:11.29 | babilen | Miesco: Why do you want that? |
| 18:11.32 | dudz_ | niklaswe, i hear raid 10 is good |
| 18:12.13 | Miesco | babilen: I want this set to true: CONFIG_PM_ADVANCED_DEBUG |
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| 18:13.29 | babilen | Miesco: Could you run: "grep CONFIG_PM_ADVANCED_DEBUG /boot/config-$(uname -r)" and give me the output please? |
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| 18:15.43 | Miesco | babilen: nothing |
| 18:15.53 | Miesco | babilen: It doesn't ahve thAT option in there |
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| 18:17.28 | Miesco | babilen: So I do make-kpkg, then I do make menuconfig set changes I want, then make-kpkg? |
| 18:18.09 | ndnihil | you know, I hate saying this. but squeeze kinda sucks |
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| 18:18.23 | Miesco | babilen: Also when I am developing the kernel I want a lot of kernel debugging options on |
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| 18:18.29 | justin | gives ndnihil his money back |
| 18:18.49 | Black_Prince | ndnihil do you have some good reason to say that? |
| 18:18.55 | Miesco | justin: Don't they sell $5 CD's? |
| 18:18.55 | ndnihil | indeed |
| 18:19.11 | ndnihil | see, I went from sarge->squeeze on this workstation |
| 18:19.13 | babilen | Miesco: That option is not supported by your kernel version then. It was introduced in the 2.6.34 version and enabled in Debian since 2.6.37~rc4-1~experimental.1 |
| 18:19.35 | Black_Prince | sarge->etch->lenny->squeeze |
| 18:19.40 | Black_Prince | shouldn't it be like that? |
| 18:19.42 | babilen | Miesco: See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=603254 |
| 18:19.46 | ndnihil | perhaps in your world |
| 18:19.55 | ndnihil | but on this particular workstation, I went from sarge to squeeze |
| 18:19.56 | Miesco | well i'll be |
| 18:19.57 | ndnihil | in that order |
| 18:19.57 | justin | skpping releases during upgrades has never been supported |
| 18:20.01 | Black_Prince | *sigh* |
| 18:20.02 | Miesco | I need an experimental kernel |
| 18:20.04 | Miesco | or .34 |
| 18:20.08 | ndnihil | did not pass etch or lenny, did not collect $200 |
| 18:20.16 | ndnihil | it was a fresh install |
| 18:20.19 | ndnihil | not an update |
| 18:20.21 | babilen | Miesco: No, that is not what I said. I am just giving you background information. |
| 18:20.29 | Miesco | okay |
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| 18:20.38 | witchdoc | hi |
| 18:20.38 | Black_Prince | So what's your problem? |
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| 18:20.45 | Miesco | babilen: Why does Wheezy have such an old kernel? |
| 18:21.01 | ndnihil | well, this morning its the fact that every multimedia app in the repos wants to set PCM to a different volume |
| 18:21.32 | babilen | Miesco: Because the .38 in sid has not yet migrated. You can easily install it from there though. I assume that you know how to do that in a save way. (actually linux-image and linux-base) |
| 18:21.33 | ndnihil | start one up, it's 100%, start another it's 30%, and another 50% |
| 18:21.33 | Miesco | babilen: How do I get later debian kernels? |
| 18:21.36 | xperia | hello to all. okay i am now on the other laptop where debian is installed too. |
| 18:21.38 | xperia | i maked now a "lspci -v" and got this here => http://pastebin.com/wvqAPKrp |
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| 18:21.40 | xperia | so pcmcia card is reconised at the end very well by debian and kernel module is loaded too but no leds does blink and sata harddisk is not showed also |
| 18:21.43 | ndnihil | it's not their job to set volume |
| 18:21.45 | ndnihil | that's my job |
| 18:21.50 | ndnihil | I say how loud I want it to me |
| 18:21.53 | ndnihil | s/me/be/ |
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| 18:22.06 | babilen | Miesco: back in second |
| 18:22.19 | Miesco | babilen: No I do not knwo how, go into sources.list and do :%s/Wheezy/sid/g, then do aptitute upgrade |
| 18:22.24 | ndnihil | xmms has gone to complete shit |
| 18:22.31 | xperia | uname -a gives => Linux xperia 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Nov 5 02:23:12 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 18:22.39 | Miesco | ndnihil: How is that debians fault? |
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| 18:22.43 | ndnihil | audacious is more reasonable, but insists on adding every file it reads to some fucking playlist |
| 18:22.43 | twiggz | ndnihil: friends dont let friends use gtk1 apps anymore. |
| 18:22.54 | Miesco | ndnihil: That the developers put malicious code in xmms |
| 18:22.56 | twiggz | ndnihil: i just use MOC |
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| 18:23.10 | Miesco | I use ncmpcpp with mpd! |
| 18:23.21 | Black_Prince | I use rhythmbox |
| 18:23.22 | xperia | anybody again how can help me debugging the problem ? |
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| 18:23.28 | abrotman | who in hell unbanned him? |
| 18:23.39 | twiggz | Linux Suicide 2.6.37-4.dmz.1-liquorix-686 #1 ZEN SMP PREEMPT Tue Mar 15 01:22:21 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 18:23.46 | ndnihil | debian used to be the haven for simple, unobtrusive, and elegant packaging |
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| 18:24.13 | Miesco | abrotman: Why did you ban twigz? |
| 18:24.14 | ndnihil | now it's great packaging with a bunch of niggly annoyances |
| 18:24.28 | babilen | Miesco: You are running a development release of debian, you should know about these things. But regardless of that: If you do what you said, you would upgrade your system to sid, which might/is not what you want. The best way is probably to *add* sources for sid and set the default release to wheezy -- /msg dpkg default release |
| 18:24.45 | abrotman | Miesco: repeat offender |
| 18:24.53 | abrotman | very bad repeat offender |
| 18:24.59 | Miesco | oh |
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| 18:25.28 | rhys | does anyone happen to use apt-cacher-ng? Is there a way to use different mirrors for deb and deb-src directives? |
| 18:25.43 | dubcl | hi, yesterday i upgrade my debian sid and many packages was uninstall, when i try to install again i get this error "xfce4-xkb-plugin : Depends: librsvg2-2 (>= 2.26.0) but it is not going to be installed" for example when i try install librsvg show more dependencies. anyone known how to fix that? i try to find any bug related but without results |
| 18:25.44 | netkevin | Hi everyone, I was just surprised to find that LINES and COLUMNS are *not* exported in my shell. Has it always been this way? |
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| 18:26.07 | justin | netkevin: depends on the terminal afaik |
| 18:26.41 | Miesco | babilen: there is no apt.conf, there is apt.conf.d |
| 18:26.47 | Miesco | babilen: Still create? |
| 18:27.26 | netkevin | I could have sworn there was an exec $(resize) or something like that in the shell startup scripts |
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| 18:27.43 | netkevin | Well, not exec. Wrong command |
| 18:27.47 | xperia | i get allways in dmesg this error messages |
| 18:27.49 | xperia | [ 11.284070] ata1: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 310) |
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| 18:27.50 | xperia | [ 11.604066] ata2: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 310) |
| 18:27.51 | justin | eval? |
| 18:29.21 | netkevin | justin: Right, that's what I meant. In vimscript it would be exe[cute] |
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| 18:29.32 | netkevin | I get confused sometimes. |
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| 18:32.11 | jhutchins_lt | xperia: Are you using a debian kernel now? |
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| 18:32.24 | doublehp | http://pastebin.com/YSrUXY0v what can i do ? |
| 18:32.33 | xperia | yes will jst post the uname output |
| 18:32.53 | abrotman | doublehp: for starters? upgrade from etch to lenny |
| 18:32.59 | jhutchins_lt | !etch |
| 18:32.59 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 18:33.01 | xperia | uname -a gives => Linux xperia 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Nov 5 02:23:12 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 18:33.03 | abrotman | !tell doublehp about etch sources.list |
| 18:33.07 | abrotman | !tell doublehp about etch->lenny |
| 18:33.11 | Miesco | How do I add a package from sid, do I really have to install from the website? |
| 18:33.11 | doublehp | abrotman: mandatory ? |
| 18:33.24 | abrotman | doublehp: etch hasn't had security support for over a year |
| 18:33.33 | doublehp | idm security |
| 18:33.45 | dubcl | anyone can help me? |
| 18:33.49 | xperia | hmmm do i really need to upgrade on nearly all distors is the same problem even on the newest ubuntu card is recognise but does not work |
| 18:33.51 | abrotman | idm ? |
| 18:33.59 | doublehp | i don't mind |
| 18:34.26 | Miesco | No documentation on how to do this |
| 18:34.29 | Miesco | that I can find |
| 18:34.49 | doublehp | Miesco: in short, you can't |
| 18:35.09 | jhutchins_lt | xperia: What are you running now? Earlier you said it was wheezy. |
| 18:35.12 | netkevin | doublehp: In that case just wait a while and someone will upgrade your system for you |
| 18:35.15 | doublehp | Miesco: you ll have SID deps, and will need to introduce *many* SID packages ... so, fastest is to update compleetely to SID. |
| 18:35.26 | babilen | Miesco: yes |
| 18:35.32 | xperia | jhutchins_lt>this was on the other laptop with a special kernel build |
| 18:35.39 | Miesco | babilen: THen what were you talking about? |
| 18:35.46 | babilen | doublehp: he wants to install the kernel |
| 18:35.49 | jhutchins_lt | xperia: So now you're on what? Lenny? |
| 18:35.50 | xperia | now i am on normal installed debian |
| 18:36.11 | doublehp | babilen: same; SID kernel may depend in SID specific packages - had the case |
| 18:36.16 | jhutchins_lt | !sid |
| 18:36.17 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 18:36.35 | Miesco | I might just upgrade to sid |
| 18:36.35 | babilen | Miesco: I was answering your earlier question if you have to create apt.conf -- you can also place a file (name ends in .conf) in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 18:36.39 | jhutchins_lt | !tell Miesco about ssb |
| 18:36.43 | babilen | doublehp: the kernel just depends on linux-base |
| 18:36.46 | doublehp | the most important word in this description must be "destructive" :D |
| 18:36.56 | babilen | doublehp: and Miesco is running wheezy already |
| 18:37.01 | babilen | please, people! |
| 18:37.06 | jhutchins_lt | Miesco: dpkg has sent you a message showing the correct way to do it. |
| 18:37.39 | xperia | jhutchins_lt i am on pure installed lenny here now |
| 18:37.40 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: Why would he want to ssb a the kernel from sid to wheezy? |
| 18:38.18 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: To avoid mixing releases. I have heard that sid + testing is one of the worst. |
| 18:38.20 | wolfric | http://pastebin.com/wbxG307b i get this every time i startup wireshark v 1.4.4 (debian wheezy/testing) |
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| 18:38.57 | doublehp | abrotman: etch was bleeding edge when i installed the box ... stored the box 2y and now, rubish :/ |
| 18:39.00 | jhutchins_lt | xperia: The .32 kernel is available in backports, but it sounds like you could have a hardware problem, as other people have reported that your card works just fine for them. |
| 18:39.04 | slidesinger | I'm having a sound issue that I haven't been able to solve. I have a usb headset, alsa correctly identifies the card, it shows up in alsamixer, I appear to be able to change levels, but still no sound to the unit from a sound source, in this case aqualung. Any idea what I am missing? |
| 18:39.13 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: I beg to differ, you can easily install the kernel from sid in testing. And mixing stable with testing or sid is a bad idea. |
| 18:39.14 | abrotman | doublehp: it wasn't bleeding edge two years ago |
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| 18:39.36 | Miesco | Whats backports, packages from lenny? |
| 18:39.50 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: I will then reserve ssb advice regarding the kernel, thank you for clarifying. |
| 18:39.51 | cahoot | slidesinger: aqualung outputs to correct alsadevice? |
| 18:39.56 | xperia | jhutchins_lt on all laptops ? i just tested it on windows and linux and on both laptops |
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| 18:40.29 | jhutchins_lt | xperia: You said you had trouble on both laptops and with other distributions. |
| 18:40.30 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: I wouldn't have recommended it if Miesco was running stable (which would be a good idea actually) |
| 18:40.31 | doublehp | abrotman: stored it 2 y; maybe used it 1 or 2 years => install around 2007 if sounds reasonable :/ |
| 18:40.39 | abrotman | !release history |
| 18:40.39 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06). The next release will be Wheezy. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparc |
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| 18:40.47 | Miesco | The thing about expiremental is, will it eventually go stable? |
| 18:40.48 | slidesinger | cahoot: I thought everything goes through the mixer. |
| 18:40.53 | abrotman | doublehp: 2007 was *four* years ago |
| 18:40.54 | xperia | right card is recognised bot does not blink |
| 18:41.05 | doublehp | abrotman: 2y use, 2y storage |
| 18:41.10 | abrotman | okay |
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| 18:41.23 | cahoot | slidesinger: what card# corresponds to the usb thin? |
| 18:41.31 | jhutchins_lt | Miesco: Not necessarily. Many things never make it from experimental to sid. |
| 18:41.59 | xperia | how can the card work on your side and on my side does it not. it would be great if somebody can make a small debug session to isolate at least the problem |
| 18:42.04 | Miesco | Will sid ever turn into testing? |
| 18:42.04 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 18:42.05 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.38-1-686 (2.6.38-1); wheezy: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 18:42.07 | doublehp | abrotman: PLEASE, set a "NO_PUBKEY" entry in dpkg ... |
| 18:42.08 | Miesco | or does it stay sid forever? |
| 18:42.11 | jhutchins_lt | Miesco: No. |
| 18:42.11 | abrotman | Miesco: no, by definition, it never will |
| 18:42.16 | slidesinger | cahoot: 2 |
| 18:42.24 | abrotman | doublehp: PLEASE, stop using etch |
| 18:42.27 | cahoot | card2? |
| 18:42.33 | slidesinger | Yes |
| 18:42.44 | doublehp | abrotman: lenny is telling issues about GPG, and ... dpkg does not help |
| 18:42.45 | cahoot | slidesinger: try aqualung -d hw:2 |
| 18:42.59 | abrotman | doublehp: you can ignore them if you want |
| 18:43.04 | Miesco | Now can you go from sid back to wheezy? |
| 18:43.09 | doublehp | abrotman: no, i can't, refuses to update |
| 18:43.11 | jhutchins_lt | Miesco: Sid/unstable isn't really a release, it's just a collection of programs working toward testing. |
| 18:43.12 | abrotman | Miesco: you can't |
| 18:43.26 | jhutchins_lt | Miesco: Format, reinstall. |
| 18:43.30 | slidesinger | cahoot: Thanks. I will. |
| 18:43.33 | abrotman | !secure apt |
| 18:43.33 | dpkg | [apt-secure] Starting with version 0.6, <APT> performs signature checking of the Release file for all archives. See http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt , "man apt-secure" and chapter 7 of the Securing Debian Manual (ask me about <securing debian>) for more information. See also <key>, <no public key>. |
| 18:43.49 | Miesco | I don't like the sounds of that |
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| 18:44.08 | babilen | Miesco: You shouldn't run a development release of Debian then ;) |
| 18:44.49 | slidesinger | cahoot: That's it in the nutshell. Thanks. |
| 18:44.53 | jhutchins_lt | Miesco: The main reason for running sid is to work on development. A few misguided people attempt to run it because it's packages have bigger version numbers. |
| 18:44.54 | babilen | Miesco: I would *strongly* recommend to use and run squeeze which is the current stable release of Debian and familiarise yourself with Debian. |
| 18:44.54 | Miesco | babilen: okay, so do the bbs thing? |
| 18:45.05 | cahoot | slidesinger: np |
| 18:45.13 | doublehp | abrotman: when aptitute tells me something, i can only tell dpkg about whan i see on monitor; i can not "guess" the magick keyword on IRC to be ... whatever different from the console message. So, please, add NO_PUBKEY and update GPG to give more clues |
| 18:45.24 | abrotman | okay |
| 18:45.24 | Miesco | babilen: you want me to format? |
| 18:45.27 | doublehp | abrotman: GPG could mention "ask me about secure |
| 18:45.41 | Miesco | babilen: I used sarge before |
| 18:45.48 | Miesco | For a long time |
| 18:45.54 | babilen | Miesco: No, either download the packages directly from packages.debian.org (linux-image-2.6.38-??? and linux-base) or set the default release and use aptitude to install them. |
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| 18:46.17 | Miesco | babilen: So default release to sid? |
| 18:46.22 | Miesco | unstable* |
| 18:46.28 | Miesco | oh |
| 18:46.31 | babilen | Miesco: No, wheezy (which is what you are running now, isn't it?) |
| 18:46.37 | Miesco | yea |
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| 18:47.35 | Miesco | so /etc/apt/apt.conf? |
| 18:47.42 | aleph | Hi, I'm trying to install debian wheezy using daily cd images. Installer says Architecture field in Release file is missing... |
| 18:47.42 | babilen | yes |
| 18:48.08 | aleph | (and it is indeede missing on all mirrors. it is present for squeezy/stable) |
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| 18:48.48 | babilen | ⥠squeezy |
| 18:49.23 | jhutchins_lt | aleph: Correct. |
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| 18:49.52 | control | how stable is the upgrade process from lenny to squeeze? Anyone already tried that out? |
| 18:49.55 | aleph | jhutchins_lt: i was searching debian bugs, and mailing list, but cannot find any info about it. i suppose it is becasue of Multi-Arch support being added |
| 18:50.18 | jhutchins_lt | aleph: ...or changed. |
| 18:50.20 | babilen | control: Bunch of people. It is works very good, are you running any fancy services? |
| 18:50.45 | Miesco | babilen: so what do I put in apt.conf again? |
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| 18:51.02 | babilen | !tell Miesco -about default release |
| 18:51.31 | control | babilen: I'm running some services, yes. racoon and ipsec being some of the manually configured ones. |
| 18:51.40 | babilen | Miesco: (and please don't get the idea to install anything *but* the kernel and its dependencies from there) |
| 18:51.56 | wolfric | I want to run dropbox on wheezy but it says it requires libnautilus-extension1 (>= 1:2.22.2) but i've got 2.30.1-3 (doesn't that >= mean any version above or equal will work?). What are my options? Can i somhow use an old library just for drop box? Would i have to build a chroot or is there an easier method] |
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| 18:52.01 | aleph | jhutchins_lt: ok, thanks. but is this problem known ? |
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| 18:52.11 | Miesco | APT::Default-Release "testing"; |
| 18:52.13 | Miesco | that? |
| 18:52.19 | babilen | control: I haven't heard anyone complain about problems with those, but if you expect problems you should ivestigate that first. |
| 18:52.26 | babilen | Miesco: wheezy |
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| 18:52.51 | Miesco | babilen: I don't understand how this will get me sid packages |
| 18:53.02 | jhutchins_lt | !release notes |
| 18:53.02 | dpkg | Release Notes for Debian 6.0 (Squeeze) are at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze . Also ask me about <i-g>, <firmware images>, <install squeeze>, <errata>, <lenny->squeeze>. |
| 18:53.17 | Miesco | babilen: so now I do :%s/Wheezy/sid/g |
| 18:53.21 | Miesco | in sources.list |
| 18:53.34 | babilen | Miesco: Please read again what I said before. |
| 18:53.36 | control | babilen: thanks for the info. I have some important servers running lenny and I had bad experiences when in ubuntu some time ago, that's why I asked. |
| 18:53.52 | babilen | control: Ubuntu is not Debian (and vice versa) |
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| 18:54.23 | babilen | control: Yes and follow the release notes (in particular "What's new in squeeze" and chapter 4) during the upgrade. They have been pointed out earlier by jhutchins_lt |
| 18:54.31 | Miesco | babilen: "set the default release and use aptitude to install them" |
| 18:55.08 | babilen | Miesco: 1. Set the default release 2. Add sources for sid 3. Install packages from sid with "aptitude -t sid PKG" |
| 18:55.16 | babilen | Miesco: aptitude install that is ;) |
| 18:55.26 | Miesco | oh |
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| 18:55.48 | control | babilen: thanks. One last question: any reported problems regarding encrypted partitions (dm_crypt and friends) for this upgrade? |
| 18:56.13 | Miesco | k |
| 18:57.10 | babilen | control: Haven't heard of that either and I have been running dm_crypt on squeeze for a long time without the slightest problem. But again: Inform yourself before. I wouldn't expect huge problems in that are though. Problematic cases comprise, for example, databases, PHP (how not?) ... |
| 18:57.16 | Miesco | babilen: Whats sources? |
| 18:57.23 | Miesco | babilen: Actually source code? |
| 18:57.27 | Miesco | I dont get it |
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| 18:57.45 | Miesco | or does it mean that you have to do -t sid to get it? |
| 18:58.09 | babilen | Miesco: /etc/apt/sources.list -- Why are you running wheezy? I would *strongly* recommend to run squeeze/stable |
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| 18:58.32 | control | babilen: yes, I'm actually informing myself :) I'll take a look in the mail lists before scheduling an upgrade. Thanks a lot. |
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| 18:59.34 | babilen | control: Good luck. An important aspect of the upgrade is that you'll have to upgrade the kernel and udev together and reboot, but that procedure is discussed in detail in the release notes. |
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| 18:59.56 | Miesco | babilen: I dont wanna format and go badk to squeezy |
| 19:00.12 | Miesco | babilen: I might go to sid |
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| 19:00.20 | Miesco | babilen: or expiremental |
| 19:01.06 | babilen | Ok, do that. But don't expect support in here or a solidly working system. |
| 19:01.42 | dvs | Miesco: Or when the system goes belly up because of a bad update. |
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| 19:04.13 | Miesco | babilen: How do I see the sid kernel? I did aptitude -t sid and its still only showing 2.6.32 |
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| 19:05.50 | babilen | Miesco: "aptitude update" + "aptitude search ~n^linux-image" |
| 19:05.57 | hotwings | using debian testing here.. i can run startx using sudo no problem but my user cant.. i get an error that the user doesnt have permission. the user is a member of the video group, and /dev/nvidia* is owned by root.video.... any ideas? |
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| 19:07.39 | Miesco | k |
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| 19:08.26 | Miesco | babilen: I see only wheezy kernels |
| 19:08.37 | Miesco | babilen: Here's my line in sources.list: |
| 19:09.15 | Miesco | deb-src http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free |
| 19:09.17 | babilen | Miesco: "apt-cache policy" + "cat /etc/apt/sources.list â http://paste.debian.net |
| 19:09.33 | babilen | Miesco: Make that "deb http://...." not deb-src |
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| 19:09.48 | Miesco | okay |
| 19:10.41 | Miesco | bibekp: So I want see any sid packages unless explicitly specified that I want to? |
| 19:10.52 | Miesco | wont* |
| 19:11.12 | Miesco | I thought you said add the sid sources... |
| 19:11.16 | aleph | jhutchins_lt: ok. it looks that Architecture field disapeeared yeasterday from ftp-master! |
| 19:11.41 | Miesco | babilen: upgradable packages(209) |
| 19:11.44 | Miesco | what did you do! |
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| 19:11.46 | Miesco | :) |
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| 19:12.18 | Bushmills | hotwing, what does grep -R allowed_users /etc/X11 show? |
| 19:12.30 | dvs | Miesco: It's called 'aptitude update' |
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| 19:12.46 | Miesco | Should I remove the sid entry in sources.list aftert I get my kernel? |
| 19:13.44 | Miesco | I'm so used to a custom kernel :/ |
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| 19:13.59 | babilen | Miesco: I can tell you nothing without the output I requested earlier and the actual output of the aptitude run you just performed |
| 19:14.19 | Miesco | babilen: oh okay |
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| 19:16.09 | zelda | Are there any popular Squeeze AMI's for ec2? |
| 19:16.17 | Miesco | http://pastebin.com/1EJFUChW |
| 19:16.21 | Miesco | babilen: Thats for you |
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| 19:17.11 | babilen | Miesco: Please use http://paste.debian.net (for the next ones) -- pastebin presents captchas and I am lazy |
| 19:17.39 | babilen | Miesco: Please also paste the output *with* formatting. I can't read anything like that. |
| 19:18.22 | babilen | Miesco: I also need the *actual* output of the aptitude run :) |
| 19:18.50 | Miesco | babilen: I made an pastebinit alias to make it go to paste.debian.net but it wontw ork |
| 19:19.24 | babilen | yes, just paste it with your mouse (select+middle click) |
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| 19:19.37 | Miesco | babilen: can't, I hate mouses |
| 19:19.45 | babilen | use pastebinit then |
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| 19:20.39 | doublehp | babilen: what do u hate in the mouse ? |
| 19:20.50 | abrotman | he didn't say that |
| 19:21.13 | doublehp | he said he hate "mouses" |
| 19:21.18 | abrotman | no, he didn't |
| 19:21.26 | babilen | doublehp: I did not. You are thinking of Miesco |
| 19:21.34 | doublehp | grrr |
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| 19:22.46 | mr_chris | I just got squeeze set up with bind/dhcp for my home server. Currently I have to add dns records manually for each computer I want to call by host name. How do I go about having that happen automatically when they are assigned an IP? |
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| 19:23.45 | doublehp | mr_chris: no simple answer. OT in here. #bind |
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| 19:24.14 | petemc | its not really ot if debian is being used |
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| 19:25.21 | petemc | mr_chris: this is old but give you the idea - http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Configuring_Dynamic_DNS__DHCP_on_Debian_Stable |
| 19:25.25 | ndnihil | screw bind, djbdns/tinydns is where it's at |
| 19:25.37 | ndnihil | all the cool kids use it |
| 19:25.43 | Bushmills | mr_chris: nsupdate can be used to change zone files remotely |
| 19:25.59 | Bushmills | (for example, to delete or add A records) |
| 19:26.37 | Miesco | http://paste.debian.net/111997/ |
| 19:26.54 | diago | I have lost the ability to double tap my laptop touch pad. I installed gpointing device settings and confirmed that tapping is enabled |
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| 19:27.03 | Bushmills | mr_chris: if those computers are dhcp clients, think of using dnsmasq |
| 19:27.13 | doublehp | mr_chris: http://www.debianadmin.com/howto-setup-dhcp-server-and-dynamic-dns-with-bind-in-debian.html is that what you need ? |
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| 19:27.33 | mr_chris | ndnihil: Thanks. I'll check those out. This is my first DNS setup so I figured I would start with the standard since that's what I have to maintain at work. |
| 19:28.05 | Miesco | babilen: What do you want from me again? |
| 19:28.06 | mr_chris | Bushmills: Thanks. I'll check those out. |
| 19:28.25 | ndnihil | dnsmasq is good for a small home network |
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| 19:29.19 | babilen | Miesco: Read the backlog |
| 19:29.23 | mr_chris | doublehp: Looks like it. Thanks. |
| 19:29.26 | Miesco | backlog? |
| 19:29.47 | Bushmills | spine straightener |
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| 19:30.46 | Miesco | How do I edit my grub menu? |
| 19:30.57 | ndnihil | vi menu.lst |
| 19:31.03 | Miesco | wheres menu.lst |
| 19:31.06 | Miesco | I cant find it |
| 19:31.11 | ndnihil | /boot/grub |
| 19:31.14 | Bushmills | Miesco: through /etc/grub.d or /etc/default/grub, and update-grub |
| 19:31.23 | babilen | Miesco: Please, read the backlog and don't stop switching to other topics. |
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| 19:31.52 | babilen | Miesco: hint: we were at the pastebin step |
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| 19:32.55 | danilo | hi, how to extract multipart zip archive in debian? (each file has ext like this ".z01", ".z02", ".z03" and so on. Any hint/apt-get to do? |
| 19:33.07 | Miesco | babilen: What is a backlog |
| 19:33.16 | Miesco | There is no menu.lst |
| 19:34.02 | babilen | Miesco: The things that have been said in the channel earlier |
| 19:34.03 | Bushmills | danilo: read BUGS section of man unzip |
| 19:34.08 | Miesco | ndnihil: Its not there |
| 19:34.26 | Miesco | babilen: spine straightener? |
| 19:34.31 | babilen | Miesco: Also read what Bushmills said earlier. Why are you looking for it and why are you switching topics? Installed the kernel? |
| 19:34.52 | Miesco | babilen: I installed a kernel |
| 19:34.55 | Miesco | babilen: from sid |
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| 19:35.14 | babilen | Miesco: It has nothing to do with a spine straightener. I guess I have better things to do than helping you to break your system. Have a nice day. |
| 19:35.16 | abrotman | why? what was wrong with the one oyu had? |
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| 19:36.13 | Miesco | babilen: kk |
| 19:37.16 | Miesco | abrotman: The kernel? |
| 19:37.25 | Miesco | abrotman: Did not have a config option I want |
| 19:37.29 | abrotman | why do you want it? |
| 19:37.33 | abrotman | that option |
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| 19:37.45 | Miesco | abrotman: cause powertop works better with it, it told me to get it |
| 19:37.52 | Miesco | I'm all about saving power |
| 19:37.58 | Miesco | when i'm on the battery |
| 19:38.12 | abrotman | it told you? |
| 19:38.16 | Miesco | but juicing the power full throttle to get my CPU up when I have it plugged into the wall |
| 19:38.30 | abrotman | lesswatts.org ? |
| 19:38.35 | Miesco | thanks |
| 19:39.06 | ndnihil | Miesco: aptitude install cpufreqd |
| 19:39.17 | jelly-home | or just cpufreq-utils |
| 19:39.18 | ndnihil | then move on to actually using the system :) |
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| 19:40.38 | Miesco | seriously there is no menu.lst in /boot/grub |
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| 19:41.01 | ndnihil | new version of grub doesn't appear to use it |
| 19:41.11 | ndnihil | but really you're making things harder than they really are |
| 19:41.17 | Miesco | I did a find / | grep menu.lst |
| 19:41.28 | Miesco | ndnihil: What should I do? |
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| 19:41.45 | ndnihil | you should install cpufreqd |
| 19:42.01 | Miesco | Well I upgraded the kernel and installed cpufreqd |
| 19:42.03 | ZykoticK9 | Miesco, grub2 doesn't use menu.lst |
| 19:42.13 | Miesco | ZykoticK9: WHat does it use? |
| 19:42.27 | ndnihil | it automatically scales CPU to meet various conditions |
| 19:42.50 | ndnihil | it works great on my laptop, netbook, and handheld |
| 19:43.08 | ndnihil | no custom kernel necessary, no hoops to jump through |
| 19:43.11 | ZykoticK9 | Miesco, /etc/default/grub for some settings, others are added automagically |
| 19:43.12 | ndnihil | it just works |
| 19:43.26 | Miesco | ZykoticK9: Oh I see neat |
| 19:43.34 | Miesco | Less work for me |
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| 19:43.58 | Miesco | Suggestion: Enable the CONFIG_PM_ADVANCED_DEBUG kernel configuration option. |
| 19:44.07 | Miesco | This option will allow PowerTOP to collect runtime power management statistics. |
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| 19:44.28 | Miesco | Thats what the powertop app tells me |
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| 19:46.29 | Miesco | I have an idea! |
| 19:46.42 | Miesco | I will use acpi events to do the echo 1 > virtual_fs |
| 19:47.01 | Miesco | ls |
| 19:47.03 | Miesco | sorry |
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| 19:48.39 | AthomIk | puppet is the best for admin lot of vm ? |
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| 19:49.04 | Bushmills | with ssh? i like terminator |
| 19:49.44 | AthomIk | Bushmills: you use pssh ? |
| 19:50.27 | Bushmills | nope |
| 19:51.09 | AthomIk | Bushmills: forget is themill :) |
| 19:51.30 | ndnihil | I use cssh (package clusterssh) to admin several dozen domUs |
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| 19:52.17 | babilen | dsh is nice too |
| 19:52.43 | babilen | But yes, puppet is a good choice |
| 19:52.47 | jelly-home | chef! |
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| 19:52.49 | jelly-home | hides |
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| 19:54.24 | blast_hardcheese | The barrier for entry for decent puppet usage seems really high. I've got it set up to manage a bunch of vms right now, my work seems so ham handed |
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| 19:54.50 | nork | blast_hardcheese: try cfengine :/ |
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| 19:55.08 | babilen | nork: hahaha ... *sob* |
| 19:56.02 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: chef? |
| 19:56.27 | blast_hardcheese | I'll try it |
| 19:57.02 | jelly-home | abrotman: bork bork bork |
| 19:57.55 | abrotman | hehe .. yay opera/bork mode |
| 19:58.15 | jelly-home | I |
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| 19:59.04 | jelly-home | I'm somewhat disappointed in Opera not having provided a blacklist for the Iranian fraduelnt ssl certs yet |
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| 20:03.28 | abrotman | jelly-home: file a bug on irc.opera.com ? |
| 20:03.31 | Mr_Queue | I heard about that... Ooops.. |
| 20:03.32 | abrotman | or complain rather |
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| 20:03.59 | jelly-home | I'm sure they already know about it, since it was all over the news |
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| 20:05.03 | Miesco | Whats all over the news |
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| 20:06.09 | niklaswe | which source must i add in sources.list to install firmware driver rtl8168d-1 (rtl_nic) |
| 20:06.58 | Mr_Queue | Miesco: 15:59 < jelly-hom> I'm somewhat disappointed in Opera not having provided a blacklist for the Iranian fraduelnt ssl certs yet |
| 20:07.12 | jelly-home | Miesco: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/434998/fd1f943f96c74240/ |
| 20:07.30 | Miesco | can I follow on twitter? |
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| 20:08.10 | jelly-home | ? |
| 20:08.16 | Miesco | lwn makes you pay for a subscription? |
| 20:08.21 | jelly-home | yes. |
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| 20:08.53 | jelly-home | that link is free. |
| 20:08.54 | niklaswe | i found it |
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| 20:13.01 | ompaul | Mr_Queue: is opera free as in freedom software or just demonstrating why you need to be careful about not running non free software :-) |
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| 20:14.04 | Mr_Queue | ompaul: No idea, never been to their website. |
| 20:14.15 | ompaul | then why the disappointment? |
| 20:14.28 | ompaul | ohh sorry I see the jelly comment |
| 20:14.29 | ompaul | :) |
| 20:14.31 | Mr_Queue | ompaul: I was simply repeating what had been said here. |
| 20:14.32 | jelly-home | ompaul: opera is not free, binary only, and that's a quote -- you're asking the wrong person |
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| 20:14.45 | ompaul | jelly-home: so I see, woops |
| 20:14.57 | ompaul | jelly-home: btw I did know what they were |
| 20:15.06 | yagoo | who said opera? firefox 4 like 23 million downloads in 2 days this week |
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| 20:15.18 | dvs | only? |
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| 20:15.33 | Mr_Queue | Doing any better than google's chrome? |
| 20:15.40 | yagoo | ns |
| 20:16.11 | Mr_Queue | their binary pisses me off it installs to /opt |
| 20:16.31 | dvs | Mr_Queue: Where should it install to? |
| 20:16.34 | jelly-home | Mr_Queue: that's FHS correct |
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| 20:16.51 | Mr_Queue | dvs: /bin ? |
| 20:17.06 | Mr_Queue | Like the rest of Debian? |
| 20:17.13 | jelly-home | Mr_Queue: it is NOT Debian. |
| 20:17.14 | dvs | Mr_Queue: But FF is not part of the Debian distrobution |
| 20:17.36 | jelly-home | dvs: he's commenting on Google |
| 20:17.41 | jelly-home | 's chrome packages |
| 20:17.47 | dvs | oh |
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| 20:17.56 | dvs | goes back to his "wobbly pop" |
| 20:18.03 | Mr_Queue | jelly-home: Oh I know that... |
| 20:18.21 | jelly-home | Mr_Queue: this is as clean as it can possibly get |
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| 20:19.13 | jelly-home | a symlink in the path, proper alternatives and fdo management |
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| 20:20.31 | Mr_Queue | I'm at a loss for why they can't play like everyone else. Their upgrade processes doesn't even clean up after itself. I'm hoping FF 4 will be great... |
| 20:20.32 | jelly-home | it's decent packaging as far as vendor packages go |
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| 20:22.54 | Thermi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.06 | Thermi | -out +released |
| 20:23.13 | Thermi | +has been |
| 20:23.29 | jelly-home | +sentence structure fail |
| 20:23.39 | Mr_Queue | Thermi: I've been waiting for it to trickle into Sid, maybe I'll give it a go.. |
| 20:24.51 | babilen | Mr_Queue: packages in exp for fine here fwiw |
| 20:25.33 | Thermi | yes |
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| 20:25.35 | Thermi | it's late |
| 20:25.37 | Thermi | :D |
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| 20:25.49 | babilen | Mr_Queue: But so does the mozilla tarball extracted to /opt or /usr/local -- And I would probably prefer that on a stable system and set teach the alternatives systems about my likings manually. |
| 20:26.06 | babilen | s/set// |
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| 20:27.29 | jelly-home | and if you leave the whole tree owned by your user, their binary delta update system works find |
| 20:27.32 | jelly-home | fine, even |
| 20:27.39 | Mr_Queue | I'll wait for it to hit Sid. Can't be too far away. |
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| 20:28.09 | blackbox | evening all |
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| 20:29.05 | blackbox | may i ask one fast ......When i boot netinstall from flash i cant start instalation process cause i got error that i have no cd media |
| 20:29.17 | blackbox | my comp have only usb |
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| 20:29.32 | blackbox | how can i skip this one ? |
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| 20:30.43 | dvs | blackbox: Do you have an iso image on the flash drive? |
| 20:30.48 | urz | My touch screen wont seeem to work |
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| 20:31.01 | urz | i've tried installing a lot of different touch screen related modules and xorg drivers |
| 20:31.08 | kn0x | how can I get my default alsa configuration back |
| 20:31.16 | blackbox | i made the flash boot with universal usb installer |
| 20:31.30 | urz | anyone willing to help me troubleshoot this? I've never used a touchscreen in linux before |
| 20:31.37 | blackbox | and it boots from it |
| 20:31.50 | dvs | blackbox: unetbootin? |
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| 20:32.08 | Miesco | How do I downgrade linux-base :) |
| 20:32.16 | dvs | !downgrade |
| 20:32.16 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 20:32.16 | Miesco | I got this sid version and I dont want it anymore |
| 20:32.49 | Miesco | kk i'll do the web page option |
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| 20:34.59 | dvs | blackbox: i'm not answering in chat |
| 20:35.12 | blackbox | sorry |
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| 20:35.52 | dvs | blackbox: I don't know what you mean by "universal usb installer" |
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| 20:36.13 | blackbox | when i boot everything is fine and then it checks the media |
| 20:36.21 | blackbox | same program you said |
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| 20:36.40 | dvs | !unetbootin |
| 20:36.40 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions, packaged for Debian. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ See also <usb install>. |
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| 20:37.21 | Miesco | ye4s! |
| 20:37.24 | justin | squeeze isos can be directly written to usb drives. unetbootin probabl screws them up |
| 20:37.24 | blackbox | whe it try to check media can not find CD-rom and instalation interupts and puts me in the menu for choosing keyboard layout and etc .. |
| 20:37.52 | blackbox | ok will try the site thanks |
| 20:38.02 | dvs | blackbox: If you have a wired internet connection, it'll probably still work. |
| 20:38.07 | Miesco | yes cool, never again will I install a sid package! |
| 20:38.27 | dvs | Miesco: after babilen severly warned you\ |
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| 20:39.41 | babilen | dvs, Miesco: you summoned me? |
| 20:39.54 | simonrvn | *poof* |
| 20:39.58 | Miesco | He did |
| 20:39.59 | dvs | babilen: no, just to say you where right |
| 20:40.06 | Miesco | Did we make your cell phone ring you geek :P |
| 20:40.07 | dvs | professor |
| 20:40.10 | babilen | Ah, that's nice :) |
| 20:40.57 | babilen | what's the problem? |
| 20:41.11 | dvs | <Miesco> yes cool, never again will I install a sid package! |
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| 20:41.55 | babilen | Miesco: Why is that? |
| 20:42.06 | babilen | (actually a good choice, but still) |
| 20:44.28 | babilen | Miesco: mmh? |
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| 20:47.01 | anddam | hi |
| 20:47.06 | dvs | allo |
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| 20:47.27 | dvs | ciao, sorry |
| 20:47.52 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 20:48.12 | anddam | simonrvn: yes, that's weird |
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| 20:49.45 | anddam | I'm using a dual head Squeeze stable with GNOME, the Color Profile doesn't let me create a color profile for the connected monitors (two Samsung LCDs) how can I change the color profile? |
| 20:49.56 | anddam | or where should I ask for that? #xorg #ati? |
| 20:50.09 | anddam | DVI is fine but theVGA monitor is killing my eyes |
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| 20:51.30 | simonrvn | maybe try putting the app on that screen, and try again? or maybe the app only supports 1 monitor? |
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| 20:55.18 | anddam | simonrvn: the app (Color Profile or whatever it's called) shows both monitors but the "create color profile" button is greyed out when those are selected |
| 20:55.39 | Kendall | I'm modifying an initrd image from a Debian 3.1 system, it seems to be cramfs based. Can I re-create the initrd as a gzipped cpio archieve or will it not like that? |
| 20:55.47 | anddam | simonrvn: atm I'm not at that computer, I moved gamma and contrast but reading text is really hard |
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| 21:03.01 | kevin01123 | Anyone know where I can get information about XResources on my system or information on xft customization options? There doesn't seem to be anything listed for either in the man pages. |
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| 21:05.38 | x_GiORgIO_aRmANy | hola |
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| 21:08.25 | lwithers | hi, I'm having trouble getting wireshark to run as a non-root user and be able to capture packets⦠I'm running squeeze, stock kernel, user is in wireshark group, and I've run dpkg-reconfigure wireshark to allow non-root use |
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| 21:08.45 | lwithers | it just seems to be on this one machine, but I'm not sure what's different about it vs any of my other ones |
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| 21:11.01 | Arrowmaster | did you logout and back in |
| 21:11.22 | lwithers | Arrowmaster: user was in the group since before this login session |
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| 21:21.13 | Mutante1 | hey guys, where can i get broadcom firmware? |
| 21:21.14 | Mutante1 | and how can i put this into a usb device? |
| 21:21.14 | Mutante1 | :( |
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| 21:21.15 | Mutante1 | i want to install debian |
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| 21:21.16 | Mutante1 | .. |
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| 21:21.16 | Technicus | Hello . . . something weird is happening with the sound on this machine; I'm not sure what caused the this, but all audio applications are trying to use Pulse, but I didn't intend for that to happen. Now I've been changing applications back to using ALSA but with Skype it only gives me option for ALSA. How can I default everything back to ALSA? |
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| 21:21.17 | bfrog | is this the place to ask about debian packaging |
| 21:21.18 | Mutante1 | i dont know |
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| 21:21.18 | bfrog | all I want to do is update the erlang package, it has like 20 patches though |
| 21:21.18 | Mutante1 | hey guys, u know how put broadcom firmware into a usb device? |
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| 21:21.19 | bfrog | why so many patches debian, why |
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| 21:21.47 | dirtycookie | hi people, im trying to put different debian iso files on a usb stick in order to boot from that stick with grub2 in order to select which architecture I want to install |
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| 21:22.12 | dirtycookie | and I have found this link http://www.panticz.de/MultiBootUSB |
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| 21:22.36 | dirtycookie | which I followed but without success |
| 21:22.56 | dirtycookie | can someone help? |
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| 21:23.48 | Miesco | How come my volume keys show nothing in xev |
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| 21:26.26 | Killaklown | hi guys.... I have a debian laptop with no gui.. just cli screen.. how do I turn off the screen |
| 21:26.30 | Killaklown | dim completely |
| 21:27.31 | ndnihil | my console blanks on its own on headless hosts, but the LCD backlights typically stay lit |
| 21:27.40 | ndnihil | I usually just turn the monitor off when I'm done |
| 21:28.06 | ndnihil | s/headless/guiless/ |
| 21:28.17 | Killaklown | ndnihil: not pc.. its a little laptop |
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| 21:28.30 | dirtycookie | hi people, im trying to put different debian iso files on a usb stick in order to boot from that stick with grub2 in order to select which architecture I want to install. I have found this link http://www.panticz.de/MultiBootUSB ,which I followed but without success. can someone help? |
| 21:28.30 | ndnihil | yeah, did the same on my laptop |
| 21:28.39 | ndnihil | I was using an old laptop as a mail server for quite some time |
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| 21:28.52 | Killaklown | ndnihil: lol .. i'm trying to do the same for an asterisk server |
| 21:28.55 | Killaklown | funny |
| 21:28.57 | ndnihil | I disabled the ACPI stuff and simple closed the lid to power off the screen on tha tone |
| 21:29.03 | Killaklown | compaq evo n200 |
| 21:29.08 | ndnihil | s/tha tone/that one/ |
| 21:29.26 | Killaklown | anyways... I still need to know how to turn off the screen |
| 21:29.29 | ndnihil | are you using a hardware interface or SIP only? |
| 21:29.39 | ndnihil | for asterisk |
| 21:29.47 | Killaklown | yeah... cisco spa3102 |
| 21:30.02 | Killaklown | just got it |
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| 21:30.03 | Killaklown | it rox |
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| 21:30.43 | DisneyRicky | Hey Kaikz |
| 21:30.44 | ndnihil | I've been meaning to pick up a hardware interface for my asterisk box |
| 21:30.47 | Kaikz | ?DCC CHAT HAXHAXHAXHAXHAXHAXHAX 0 0 0 |
| 21:30.52 | Kaikz | aw |
| 21:30.56 | Killaklown | ndnihil: yeah get into that man.. good stuff |
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| 21:31.03 | Killaklown | so look.. when I close the lid.. how to make it power off? |
| 21:31.06 | Killaklown | just the screen |
| 21:31.11 | Killaklown | no hybernate or sleep |
| 21:31.28 | ndnihil | disable ACPI, uninstall the laptop tools, then just close the lid |
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| 21:31.42 | ndnihil | it should turn the screen off but keep the rest of the system awake |
| 21:31.43 | DisneyRicky | ?DCC CHAT HAXHAXHAXHAXHAXHAXHAX 0 0 0 |
| 21:32.05 | Killaklown | K |
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| 21:32.21 | ndnihil | of course, that depends on the laptop itself in a lot of cases |
| 21:32.34 | ndnihil | ?DCC CHAT HAXHAXHAXHAXHAXHAXHAX 0 0 0 |
| 21:32.39 | ndnihil | ok that's just funny |
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| 21:32.54 | nvz | o.O |
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| 21:33.03 | DisneyRicky | lol |
| 21:33.21 | nvz | is it sunday? :-P |
| 21:33.31 | DisneyRicky | NO IT'S FRIDAY! |
| 21:33.33 | DisneyRicky | xD |
| 21:33.34 | ndnihil | hrm, I wonder if microcenter carries the 3102 |
| 21:33.46 | zinx | nvz: it's always sunday in #debian |
| 21:33.46 | nvz | thats what I was thinking until I looked in on this.. |
| 21:33.54 | DisneyRicky | FRIDAY FRIDAY FRIDAY FRIDAY FRIDAY FRIDAY GETTIN DOWN ON FRIDAY |
| 21:33.55 | nvz | zinx: permasunday eh? |
| 21:34.18 | ndnihil | DisneyRicky: that's so last week, the weyyohh girl is this weeks amusement |
| 21:34.32 | DisneyRicky | lol |
| 21:34.56 | Miesco | How do I find the keycode of a key? |
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| 21:35.24 | zinx | Miesco: context? |
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| 21:35.44 | zinx | Miesco: there are no less than 1 entirely different sets of keycodes in Linux |
| 21:35.47 | zinx | Miesco: erh, 10 |
| 21:36.00 | Miesco | zinx: like for xmodmap |
| 21:36.06 | zinx | Miesco: xev |
| 21:36.27 | Miesco | zinx: Should it recognize all my keys? |
| 21:36.33 | zinx | Miesco: or if you know the key, you can check the defines if you have the headers installed |
| 21:36.35 | zinx | Miesco: yes |
| 21:36.35 | Miesco | zinx: Its not recognizing some, they print nothing |
| 21:36.53 | zinx | Miesco: then you need extra drivers. some keyboards have special keys on them that aren't supported without an extra daemon running |
| 21:37.03 | Miesco | kk |
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| 21:37.20 | Miesco | zinx: eee pc 1001px netbook |
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| 21:38.26 | zinx | Miesco: looks like you want eeepc-acpi-scripts |
| 21:39.09 | zinx | Miesco: and the eeepc-acpi-modules- package for your kernel if you don't have it |
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| 21:51.15 | Killaklown | omg this is driving me nuts |
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| 21:51.25 | Killaklown | I need to know how to turn off the monitor of my screen |
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| 21:51.29 | Killaklown | laptop |
| 21:51.41 | Killaklown | whiles still keeping it on |
| 21:51.46 | Killaklown | keeping the laptop on |
| 21:51.53 | jelly-home | xset dpms force off |
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| 21:52.32 | Killaklown | jelly no X installed .. just cli |
| 21:52.35 | Miesco | Okay I got my keys to work! |
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| 21:52.57 | HeyJonny | Hello |
| 21:52.59 | Killaklown | jelly-home: I just want it to access it ssh... I dont need the screen to be on |
| 21:53.20 | jelly-home | Killaklown: man setterm |
| 21:53.48 | jelly-home | Killaklown: or you could... close the lid? |
| 21:54.01 | Killaklown | closing lid doesnt work |
| 21:54.13 | homekevin | I asked this a little while ago, but I want to try again: Is there a reason LINES and COLUMNS aren't exported? And weren't they exported in the past? |
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| 21:54.49 | HeyJonny | how are bugs found in closed-source programs - for example the ones released on full disclosure and other mailing lists? Besides coincidence just by using Valgrind or similar tools? |
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| 21:55.10 | ndnihil | using valgrind is hardly coincidence |
| 21:55.32 | homekevin | There's no one way, HeyJonny |
| 21:55.48 | Killaklown | jelly-home: any other ideas? |
| 21:56.14 | jelly-home | !any ideas |
| 21:56.14 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of herring, a little sauerkraut, and a dozen starving platypuses. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 21:56.14 | homekevin | People do things like fuzzing, look at disassemblies, find a crash bug and check if they can exploit it, etc. |
| 21:56.48 | jelly-home | HeyJonny: it's a complex issue. Reverse engiennering is a part of it. |
| 21:56.51 | HeyJonny | ok |
| 21:56.59 | yagoo | homekevin, they're called hackers kid |
| 21:57.12 | Connor1 | I can't SSH into my laptop. I tried ssh connor@localhost to see if SSH was enabled but I got ssh: connect to localhost port 22: Connection refused. ANy ideas? |
| 21:57.30 | yagoo | Connor1, maybe your firewall won't let it |
| 21:57.32 | HeyJonny | Connor1, you're logged in as root? |
| 21:57.51 | Arrowmaster | do you even have ssh-server installed? its not installed by default |
| 21:57.53 | Connor1 | HeyJonny normal user and root don't work |
| 21:57.54 | ndnihil | being logged in as root would have nothing to do with it |
| 21:57.57 | Connor1 | Arrowmaster I should |
| 21:58.07 | yagoo | Connor1, netstat -plutn |
| 21:58.08 | Killaklown | anyone know how to power off ur laptop screen monitor ? |
| 21:58.13 | HeyJonny | ndnihil, it does, if he does just ssh localhost and the local ssh doesn't allow root access |
| 21:58.17 | jelly-home | Killaklown: have you read the setterm manual and investigated those VESA power saving options? |
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| 21:58.26 | Killaklown | jelly-home: yessir |
| 21:58.30 | ndnihil | 16:57 < Connor1> I can't SSH into my laptop. I tried ssh connor@localhost to |
| 21:58.32 | Killaklown | doesnt work |
| 21:58.37 | Connor1 | SSH server was not installed |
| 21:58.38 | ndnihil | does that look like he tried to log in as root? |
| 21:58.42 | Connor1 | Got it |
| 21:58.45 | Killaklown | "cannot unset powersave mode |
| 21:58.47 | jelly-home | Killaklown: how does it fail to work? |
| 21:58.58 | jelly-home | Killaklown: are you root? |
| 21:58.58 | niklaswe | I have my dns server on an virtual xen machine.. but when i trying to use dig from another machine outside my network i got connection time out.. my incoming rules will forwarding all packets on port 53 to my xen guest.. but i cant figure out how i should fix the outgoing .. |
| 21:59.04 | Killaklown | yessir |
| 21:59.27 | jelly-home | Killaklown: install X, fall back to first solution <g> |
| 21:59.58 | Killaklown | :( |
| 21:59.59 | Killaklown | k |
| 22:00.16 | HeyJonny | ndnihil, your first time on Linux or why do you ask? |
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| 22:01.31 | ndnihil | you obviously can't read or don't know how ssh command line works. you see specifying the username@ part before the hostname, designates a specific user to log in as |
| 22:01.43 | ndnihil | it's all in the man pages noob |
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| 22:01.58 | HeyJonny | haha |
| 22:03.36 | jelly-home | ndnihil: which is irrelevant considering the "connection refused" error |
| 22:03.52 | yagoo | jelly-home, agreed.. ndnihil is the noob |
| 22:03.55 | yagoo | -er |
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| 22:03.58 | ndnihil | erm |
| 22:04.08 | yagoo | rem nd* |
| 22:04.17 | ndnihil | I was explaining to dipshit that being logged in as root has nothing to do with the error connor was seeing |
| 22:04.24 | yagoo | !ops ndnihil |
| 22:04.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: yagoo complains about: ndnihil |
| 22:04.30 | jelly-home | yes yes, move on. Everyone has a smarter person than themselves |
| 22:04.32 | yagoo | ndnihil, your rude |
| 22:04.35 | ndnihil | read back a few lines and reconsider your assertion |
| 22:04.42 | ndnihil | it's you're |
| 22:04.46 | ndnihil | a conjunction of you and are |
| 22:04.50 | ndnihil | your is posessive |
| 22:04.51 | jelly-home | yagoo: I suggest perusing the /ignore command |
| 22:04.53 | peterS | ndnihil: yhbt |
| 22:04.54 | yagoo | ignores ndnihil |
| 22:05.00 | HeyJonny | ndnihil, you are such a smart person and so kind. When I reach the age of 10 I want to be as smart and as kind as you are. |
| 22:05.03 | mentor | ndnihil: Please refrain from abusive language |
| 22:05.11 | ndnihil | I've hardly started to be abusive |
| 22:05.24 | HeyJonny | Oh my god, you are also strong! So many positive attributes at once. |
| 22:05.25 | mentor | ndnihil: And also from being unpleasant in general, while we're at it |
| 22:05.54 | jelly-home | Connor1: is the ssh service started at all? openssh-server package installed? |
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| 22:06.15 | mentor | ndnihil: If you need time to understand why you were being abusive, that can be arranged. |
| 22:06.16 | homekevin | OK, so no reason anyone can state for not exporting COLUMNS and LINES? |
| 22:06.26 | Connor1 | <Connor1> SSH server was not installed |
| 22:06.26 | yagoo | jelly-home, i gave him the netstat command |
| 22:06.28 | Connor1 | <Connor1> Got it |
| 22:06.31 | ndnihil | so let me get this straight, connor asks about a problem he is having, someone else proposes a cause that is way off base, I explain that it has nothing to do with it, he asks me if it's my first time on linux, and suddenly I'm the abusive one? |
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| 22:06.36 | simonrvn | get him a therapist |
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| 22:07.09 | Corin | Quick question; how long until the release of Iceweasel 3.6 and how long to the release of Iceweasel 4? |
| 22:07.21 | jelly-home | Connor1: sorry, missed it among all the irrelevant ruckus |
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| 22:07.32 | jelly-home | ,versions iceweasel |
| 22:07.33 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-5~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-5; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-6; wheezy: 3.5.17-1; sid: 3.5.18-1; experimental: 4.0-2 |
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| 22:07.48 | anddam | ndnihil: it's a crasis not a conjunction, and it's "possessive" with 4 's' |
| 22:07.53 | homekevin | Corin: I heard a rumor that there were iceweasel 4 builds available |
| 22:07.53 | Arrowmaster | Corin: you might be interested in this page http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 22:08.17 | anddam | no, not even a crasis, seems⦠|
| 22:08.17 | Corin | Thank you, Arrowmaster. |
| 22:08.25 | Corin | And thank you, homekevin, for the uselessness. :) |
| 22:08.27 | homekevin | Corin: Yeah, Arrowmaster's page is probably the one I heard about |
| 22:08.27 | jelly-home | Corin: 3.6 seems not likely to reach debian stable at this point |
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| 22:08.33 | simonrvn | points at what the judd bot said... |
| 22:08.45 | Corin | What do you mean, jelly-home? |
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| 22:09.29 | Arrowmaster | well i dont think 3.6 will ever officially be in stable, it could end up in backports but 4.0 might show up there first |
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| 22:09.43 | jelly-home | Corin: 3.5 is in current stable, and 4.0 packaging is underway, so it's 4.0 that's probably going to end up in the next stable release |
| 22:09.45 | anddam | ndnihil: an apocope, not a crasis |
| 22:10.00 | Corin | Ah. |
| 22:10.00 | anddam | and with this I'm off |
| 22:10.02 | anddam | bye |
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| 22:10.07 | homekevin | Corin: Sorry about being useless. ;) I wasn't planning to leave you with just a rumor, but Arrowmaster beat me to it. |
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| 22:10.31 | Corin | :P |
| 22:10.34 | simonrvn | you're not useless, just the info was |
| 22:11.02 | Corin | Well, then 4.0 may be stable soon, jelly-home? |
| 22:11.19 | jelly-home | mentor: there's also this nice $a:nickserv-username-here ban nowadays, I hear |
| 22:11.25 | simonrvn | not *in* debian *stable* though, no |
| 22:11.53 | homekevin | Corin: I don't think so. Stable was just released, and usually major updates have to wait for the next stable release. |
| 22:11.56 | Arrowmaster | only security updates make it into stable after a release |
| 22:12.08 | simonrvn | but mozilla released it a few days ago |
| 22:12.12 | Arrowmaster | except in special cases |
| 22:12.19 | mentor | HeyJonny: In future, please do not respond to abuse in kind |
| 22:12.23 | simonrvn | !stable-updates |
| 22:12.35 | simonrvn | !stable updates |
| 22:12.53 | HeyJonny | ok mentor |
| 22:12.57 | simonrvn | bah. it's the renamed volatile', and same sort of packages go in it... |
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| 22:13.35 | ranix | meh whatever. firefox is useless because of all the disk hammering it does |
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| 22:13.55 | ranix | all caching everything even though I have like a jiggawho of ram |
| 22:14.33 | jelly-home | works fine here with two jiggawoos |
| 22:14.38 | homekevin | I still like firefox, but it's far from perfect |
| 22:15.15 | homekevin | I'm still hoping they'll fix some of the bigger issues I have with it. *fingers crossed* |
| 22:15.28 | HeyJonny | a short question: I want to upgrade my kernel from 2.6.27 to 2.6.38. Can I just copy the .config file from the old kernel source directory to the new one to use the old settings in menuconfig? |
| 22:15.41 | pipeline | HeyJonny: yep |
| 22:16.07 | HeyJonny | I remember doing so many years ago and then it happened to me that menuconfig didn't show the new options from the new kernel |
| 22:16.07 | HeyJonny | ok thx |
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| 22:16.34 | ranix | I rage purged it when I hit the backspace accidentally and it erased a text field containing 45 minutes of painstaking labor reading serial numbers into an email |
| 22:17.45 | kevin01123 | Anyone here running a window manager on a laptop, and if so, how do you control things like screen brightness when AC is plugged in/out? |
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| 22:18.15 | jelly-home | using the magic acpi/smm keys |
| 22:19.30 | thewanderer1 | help, I clicked a link and millions of Konquerors are spawning |
| 22:19.40 | thewanderer1 | nooooooooo, screen is melting :O |
| 22:19.45 | simonrvn | HeyJonny: you might want to run oldconfig first, but you don't get the nice NUI you get with menuconfig |
| 22:19.54 | Corin | I just click on the battery icon in the panel, kevin01123. :P |
| 22:19.58 | Corin | But that's in KDE. |
| 22:20.04 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: push the reset button, quick |
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| 22:20.59 | mentor | jelly-home: Bah, I'm still toggling the bits in my IRC packets manually |
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| 22:21.42 | thewanderer1 | alright, something is seriously broken here... the notification icon is jumping like mad, but no forks happen |
| 22:22.20 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: srsly, stop clicking on GNAA shock site links with konqueror, it's not well equipped to deal with that crap |
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| 22:22.48 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: no, it was a usual link, but kfmclient seems to be broken O.o |
| 22:22.54 | mentor | jelly-home: I think you can leave out the qualification there |
| 22:23.13 | Corin | jelly-home: Does this channel get attacks by GNAA often? |
| 22:23.24 | thewanderer1 | alright, I'll relogin |
| 22:23.24 | jelly-home | Corin: freenode does. |
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| 22:23.53 | Corin | jelly-home: I know. I've been a personal target of theirs on several occasions. |
| 22:23.54 | simonrvn | Corin: the channel, no, not much any more, but see what jelly-home said |
| 22:24.12 | simonrvn | Corin: wtf |
| 22:24.16 | thewanderer1 | I wonder what process is responsible for the notification icon etc. |
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| 22:25.01 | Corin | simonrvn: They've directed attacks specifically at me. |
| 22:25.01 | thewanderer1 | heh. `slay`, admin's best friend :P |
| 22:25.18 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: I only remember dbus is what's used to pass the messages about notifications |
| 22:25.27 | simonrvn | Corin: mind a /msg ? |
| 22:25.32 | Corin | Sure? |
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| 22:26.12 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: aww, ok... that wouldn't be an easy hotfix, then :P |
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| 22:27.35 | kaluva | Hi. I'm going crazy trying to turn my capslock key into a modifier. None of the recipes I found online work. Anyone here got it to work? |
| 22:28.17 | mentor | kaluva: Are you using Gnome and what modifier do you want it to be? |
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| 22:28.49 | Kendall | does any know of a mirror that still has a Sarge ISO available (not a netinst iso) ? |
| 22:29.24 | mentor | Kendall: Have you tried googling a filename? |
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| 22:29.47 | kaluva | mentor: No, and I just want one that isn't present on my keyboard alread. So, none of (Shift, Control, Meta, Alt, AltGR). |
| 22:30.01 | Kendall | mentor: yea, AFAIK i'm just getting outdated links and forum questions |
| 22:31.12 | mentor | kaluva: Ah, well, there are a limited number of modifiers available. Although you're probably not already using super or hyper |
| 22:31.35 | kaluva | mentor: Yeah, I'm not. So I'd be fine using either one. |
| 22:32.53 | Kendall | ok, I came up with one...I'm not sure about this file naming though, what's the difference between -binary-1, binary2 though binary12 ? |
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| 22:33.25 | kaluva | Isn't that CD 1 to 12? |
| 22:33.28 | palhmbs | can I change my UTC timezone in bash somewhere? |
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| 22:34.18 | Kendall | kaluva: ah, alright, that makes sense. I just want to install the base system..can't imagaine I'd need 12 CDs for that. I'm thinking -binary-1.iso is the way to go? |
| 22:34.33 | Corin | palhmbs: Hitting your computer won't solve anything! |
| 22:34.43 | Arrowmaster | palhmbs: its system wide, you can change it with sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 22:34.56 | palhmbs | ah thanks |
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| 22:35.13 | kaluva | Kendall: As far as I remember, the first one is enough. But it's been a long time, I might be wrong |
| 22:35.31 | Kendall | kaluva: good enough for me. I'll give it a shot. Thank you:) |
| 22:35.39 | babilen | Kendall: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/ |
| 22:35.54 | Kendall | slaps himself |
| 22:36.04 | Kendall | babilen: not sure how I missed that one! thank you |
| 22:36.08 | babilen | np |
| 22:36.55 | mentor | Kendall: Is there any particular reason why you're installing sarge? |
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| 22:37.56 | babilen | palhmbs: You might be looking for "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" but I am not sure if I understood your question correctly |
| 22:38.02 | Kendall | mentor: yes, it's a pet project basically. I've got some old machines lying around that for various reasons can't be decommissoned or upgraded to something else, so I'm trying to figure out a way to virtualize them as Xen HVM domUs. |
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| 22:38.26 | palhmbs | hey - yep I used tzdata reconfigure - but my lxde wm still does'nt show the right time... |
| 22:38.37 | palhmbs | I think this may be a problem for lxde wm itself |
| 22:38.41 | Arrowmaster | palhmbs: logout and back in? |
| 22:38.44 | palhmbs | I'll look for some documentation. |
| 22:39.09 | palhmbs | Arrowmaster, yeah - I'll try that too. |
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| 22:39.19 | Kendall | mentor: so I figure if I can get an install ISO, I can install a stock system, and basically just rsync everything from the physical server over |
| 22:39.42 | owen1 | how to make user joe not required to type sudo for postfix related commands? (IE: postconf, postqueue) |
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| 22:39.54 | babilen | Kendall: You could just dbootstrap on the server itself, can't you? |
| 22:40.04 | mentor | Kendall: I'm not sure that this⦠what babilen said |
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| 22:40.09 | mentor | debootstrap |
| 22:40.36 | babilen | owen1: "man sudoers" â NOPASSWD |
| 22:40.41 | owen1 | babilen: thanks |
| 22:40.58 | babilen | owen1: check the examples, should give you an idea |
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| 22:41.40 | thewanderer1 | Kendall: you could probably try OpenVZ or Vserver instead, if you can run that kind of userland with a new kernel... debootstrap gets a lot easier then |
| 22:41.47 | thewanderer1 | (you don't have to care about booting at all) |
| 22:42.57 | Bushmills | owen1: alias those commands to their invocations with sudo, load those aliases into joe's environment |
| 22:43.27 | Kendall | mentor: not sure if I could do it that way or not, I really don't know. This is my first time around with HVM guests, so I'm still figuring it all out. |
| 22:43.27 | owen1 | Bushmills: nice idea |
| 22:43.53 | mentor | Kendall: If Linux versions turn out to be a problem, the solution most people seem to be using is KVM QEMU |
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| 22:44.29 | palhmbs | Arrowmaster, didn't work - facepalm. |
| 22:44.48 | babilen | owen1: man, i completely misunderstood your question. sorry ... yeah, aliases are a good way to solve this. 'alias foo="sudo foo"' |
| 22:45.32 | Kendall | mentor: does using KVM have an advantage over Xen? Xen is using QEMU as well |
| 22:45.50 | thewanderer1 | Kendall: KVM is SIMPLE :) |
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| 22:46.09 | Kendall | thewanderer1: that is definitely an advantage. |
| 22:46.55 | mentor | Kendall: Well, you can use Xen with paravirtualisation, or you can use hardware support to do full virtualisation |
| 22:47.14 | mentor | Full virtualisation with KVM and QEMU is generally held to be simpler |
| 22:47.17 | owen1 | babilen: (-: no worries |
| 22:47.27 | mentor | Also, KVM is upstream, whereas Xen Dom0 is not |
| 22:47.44 | thewanderer1 | runs 4 KVM instances on a desktop... hint hint :P |
| 22:48.05 | Kendall | alright. I might have to give that a try if I can't get Xen working. I'd really like to be able to get these servers into VMs |
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| 22:48.51 | mentor | kaluva: It should just be a matter of adding caps:hyper or caps:super to your xkb spec. |
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| 22:49.24 | mentor | Kendall: KVM does provide a fully virtualised VM |
| 22:50.13 | kaluva | mentor: Well, that's just the point. I tried that, it changes nothing, and capslock still is capslock. |
| 22:50.27 | mentor | kaluva: How did you do it? |
| 22:50.59 | Kendall | mentor: right. I'll give KVM a shot if I can't get Xen working in the next few days. (really only sticking with Xen because I've already deployed it some places, and I'd like to maintain some consistency |
| 22:51.13 | mentor | OK |
| 22:51.31 | dutchfish | Kendall, what is your xen problem? |
| 22:51.45 | kaluva | setxkbmap -model .. -variant ... -layout... -option capslock:super |
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| 22:52.46 | jelly-home | kaluva: I believe it's "caps:super" |
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| 22:54.18 | Kendall | dutchfish: mostly just trying to get go from a linux install on physical hardware to an HVM guest. i've figured out that I need to re-build my initrd image with xennet and xenblk support, but I'm really not sure how to go about it. Right now the Xen problem is that it wouldn't boot my old debian cd |
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| 22:54.54 | kaluva | jelly-home: I'll be damned. You're right. I assumed it was capslock:super because its inside /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/capslock |
| 22:55.54 | dutchfish | Kendall, ic, i mostly go about this way, debootstrap a template vm, use that on hvm, and clone a linux hw to vm on that. |
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| 22:56.21 | kaluva | mentor, jelly-home: Thanks a lot. |
| 22:57.01 | mentor | kaluva: With XKB I don't think anything can beat reading the rules files |
| 22:57.12 | mentor | The documentation in this area is poor |
| 22:57.24 | Kendall | dutchfish: I think that's the way I'm going to go. Right now I'm waiting on an ISO download so I can get the HVM install going; then I'm just going to rsync basically everything from the physical linux install over to the HVM guest |
| 22:57.48 | jelly-home | I just fire up kxkb, click on it a bit and see what kind of a command line it generates |
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| 22:58.25 | dutchfish | Kendall, sure, but not all, that wont work, a xen guest need some special things, like libc6-xen and some more, see the docs |
| 22:59.13 | Kendall | dutchfish: have a link handy..? |
| 22:59.31 | dutchfish | Kendall, but besides that, cloning is straight forward |
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| 22:59.51 | dutchfish | Kendall, xen-source has it and debian-wiki also has some nice info |
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| 23:01.47 | dutchfish | Kendall, http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
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| 23:02.54 | dutchfish | jelly-home, sure, thats why my xen production envirenment is still on air for over 4 years while my vmware bit me just too many times |
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| 23:06.34 | Kendall | ty |
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| 23:07.35 | dutchfish | Kendall, yw, i fyou still have more specific q in the future, just ask, btw i am testing kvm as well |
| 23:08.08 | dirtycookie | hi I wanted to know where the vmlinuz and the initrd are located in the debian-ia64.iso |
| 23:08.09 | dirtycookie | ? |
| 23:09.57 | Kendall | dutchfish: thanks, I appreciate it. I'll probably be picking your brain for the next couple days trying to get this finished |
| 23:10.12 | dutchfish | Kendall, np ;) |
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| 23:10.29 | Kendall | well, I'm gonna head home for the weekend. Have a good weekend #debian ! |
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| 23:11.25 | dutchfish | thewanderer1, quote: i can't terminate myself ! ;) |
| 23:11.37 | yagoo | dirtycookie, ia is for itanium |
| 23:12.16 | dirtycookie | yagoo: ok, that it doesn't tell me anything |
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| 23:12.32 | yagoo | dirtycookie, you trying to fix some other generic linux? |
| 23:12.33 | jelly-home | dirtycookie: you want the amd64 images. Yes, for intel cpus as well |
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| 23:13.20 | jelly-home | !ia64 |
| 23:13.21 | dpkg | [ia64] Intel Architecture-64 (IA-64) is a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as <Itanium> and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>. |
| 23:13.24 | babilen | I sense a lot of interpretation going on (probably correct though) |
| 23:13.25 | dirtycookie | yagoo: no I want to create a multiboot usb with the different architectures and need to find those files |
| 23:13.31 | yagoo | !usb |
| 23:13.31 | dpkg | [usb] (Universal Serial Bus) A technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial and parallel communications. It is also much more flexible: many devices can be connected to simultaneously. USB 3.0 is supported by the Linux kernel since 2.6.31. http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/book1.html http://www.linux-usb.org/ See also <usb install>, <usbreset>. |
| 23:13.54 | yagoo | actually someone was looking into this.. plop was eventually spilled out sometime.. |
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| 23:14.14 | jelly-home | babilen: if they don't know what itanium means... |
| 23:14.16 | yagoo | dirtycookie, can ur bios boot from usb? |
| 23:14.27 | dirtycookie | yes |
| 23:14.35 | dirtycookie | http://www.panticz.de/MultiBootUSB |
| 23:14.40 | dirtycookie | if you are interested |
| 23:14.40 | yagoo | ah dpkg says |
| 23:14.42 | yagoo | !usb install |
| 23:14.42 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 23:15.14 | yagoo | dirtycookie, i dont know about multiusb.. thats beyond me.. |
| 23:15.32 | dirtycookie | that is no problem |
| 23:16.03 | yagoo | dirtycookie, u mean squeeze? |
| 23:16.09 | dirtycookie | I just wanted to know where the initrd and vmlinuz are located in the ia64.iso file |
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| 23:16.47 | yagoo | dirtycookie, that site gives hints |
| 23:16.59 | yagoo | dirtycookie, look at the paths and subs etch for squeeze |
| 23:17.05 | yagoo | or squeeze for etch |
| 23:17.27 | yagoo | dirtycookie, http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/ |
| 23:17.43 | dirtycookie | I have already downloaded and made the debiani386 and amd64 running |
| 23:17.47 | dirtycookie | htx |
| 23:17.49 | dirtycookie | thanks |
| 23:18.30 | yagoo | yup |
| 23:18.58 | yagoo | dirtycookie, i believe u need a special module to mount the iso with grub |
| 23:19.12 | yagoo | dirtycookie, a grub2 module of course to work with grub2 itself.. |
| 23:19.54 | dirtycookie | yagoo: I just work with grub-install --no-floppy --root-directory=/mnt ${DEVICE} --force and it works |
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| 23:20.21 | yagoo | dirtycookie, you're able to boot with the multiboot usb, .iso ? |
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| 23:20.36 | yagoo | .iso from a menuentry that is? |
| 23:21.41 | dirtycookie | yagoo: yes |
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| 23:22.14 | dirtycookie | yagoo: if you want the grub.cfg file I can put it on pastebin.com |
| 23:22.49 | yagoo | dirtycookie, ? |
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| 23:23.15 | yagoo | dirtycookie, http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ << this works? |
| 23:23.20 | dirtycookie | yagoo: misunterstood you |
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| 23:24.26 | dirtycookie | yagoo: my usb looks like this: usb/boot/grub, /usb/boot/iso/<all iso-files> |
| 23:24.57 | dirtycookie | and the iso-files are the normal ones not netboot nor netinstall |
| 23:25.37 | yagoo | dirtycookie, i dont know what you're asking.. thought u wanted to try to get things booting |
| 23:26.03 | dirtycookie | yagoo: is ok |
| 23:26.37 | yagoo | dirtycookie, you can do a loopback mount with losetup if this is what you mean.. |
| 23:26.54 | dirtycookie | yagoo: yes |
| 23:26.57 | yagoo | actually not with losetup.. but just with the mount command.. |
| 23:27.04 | yagoo | forget about losetup.. |
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| 23:27.13 | yagoo | -o loop with mount.. |
| 23:27.34 | yagoo | if that station doesn't have internet.. the kernel files is something like-- linux-image*deb |
| 23:27.52 | yagoo | or similar with 'image' in hte deb filename |
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| 23:30.28 | yagoo | http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 23:30.56 | yagoo | dirtycookie, is it easy to do usb multiboot? i'll look into that later next week.. |
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| 23:32.08 | dirtycookie | yagoo: was a little tricky for me since i got in contact with grub2 |
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| 23:33.22 | yagoo | dirtycookie, i dont think u can do .iso bootup with a cd with grub1 .. so grub2 is the choice.. |
| 23:34.07 | dirtycookie | yagoo: I never got in contact with grub1 |
| 23:35.01 | yagoo | dirtycookie, you trying to setup a live tftp server for net installs? wondering what your original question is about.. |
| 23:35.03 | yagoo | lol |
| 23:35.17 | yagoo | ,/livecd/ |
| 23:35.31 | yagoo | or live usb... for this matter.. |
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| 23:35.55 | yagoo | mixed saying livecd instead of liveusb .. |
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| 23:36.35 | yagoo | dirtycookie, multi usb boot is very new i believe.. it probably wasn't possible a year ago.. |
| 23:37.13 | yagoo | especially with .iso... i have a few distros i'd like to place on usb.. i tried this before and failed..(several months ago) |
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| 23:37.54 | dirtycookie | debian-i386 and debian-amd64 work |
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| 23:43.26 | nyl | ey can someone tell me the keyring of debian backports? |
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| 23:43.58 | yagoo | nyl, aptitude search keyring, then install that |
| 23:44.16 | yagoo | nyl, some pkacgee named *keyring* |
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| 23:45.04 | arbir | hello |
| 23:45.19 | nyl | i see P in fron of the most |
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| 23:45.42 | jelly-home | nyl: have you read the instructions on http://backports.debian.org/ ? |
| 23:45.44 | arbir | how can i run flash on my powerpc. i am unable to run any youtube video with gnash |
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| 23:47.57 | nyl | W: GPG error: http://backports.debian.org squeeze-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
| 23:48.52 | nyl | arbir: there are no good flash players out for it yet |
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| 23:50.31 | arbir | nyl: even a bad flash player would go.. i just need it. |
| 23:51.14 | yagoo | !bpo |
| 23:51.14 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <backports-sloppy> <volatile>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 23:52.06 | nyl | !bpo key |
| 23:52.06 | dpkg | As backports.debian.org is an official service, installing the debian-backports-keyring package is no longer necessary. Debian Backports release files are signed with the official ftpmaster key. |
| 23:52.52 | yagoo | nyl, try aptitude update, aptitude install debian-keyring |
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| 23:53.30 | yagoo | there's also debian-archive-keyring package |
| 23:53.45 | nyl | gonna try that one also |
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| 23:56.14 | Joelito | hi, question: how can I solve the slowness in debian 6.0.1? |
| 23:56.25 | Joelito | internet connection is very slow |
| 23:56.37 | karsten-nr | I'm trying to get exim4 talking TLS / SSL w/ auth to my smarthost. No dice so far. |
| 23:57.00 | nyl | debian-archive-keyring still doesn't help |
| 23:57.33 | karsten-nr | running 'sendmail -qff' while tailing log just sort of hangs. Now doing 'sendmail -v -qff'. I get "Connecting to smtp.01.com [38.102.63.140]:465 ... connected" |
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