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| 08:27.07 | petemc | theres smallx nee tinyx |
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| 08:28.17 | WaterRatj | Tehre a package of php5 without suhosin? |
| 08:28.34 | spcck | directFB? wayland? |
| 08:29.00 | petemc | spcck: how low on resources are you? |
| 08:30.30 | spcck | 2.2 sempron 512 ram GeForce 5600XT, but i wanna get the best with the most smallest hdd space |
| 08:30.55 | petemc | i would just use xorg.. |
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| 08:34.27 | spcck | good, thanks |
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| 08:53.25 | neoice | anyone know what errors like this might mean? http://pastebin.com/hmgJTqUu I'm not sure why I would have an auth failure before a success. |
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| 08:55.16 | b0o-supermario | Too much people |
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| 08:55.54 | b0o-supermario | Is there any livecd that only installs lilo? |
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| 09:04.07 | PredaGR | hello people, is there a way to instruct a modem open for example open me a port on the nat for my apache web server from within the debian box with upnp? |
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| 09:07.11 | ompaul | PredaGR: yes however you are asking the wrong question, the question you should pump into your favourite search engine is "upnp open port 80 router linux" and then you can incorporate that into your web server |
| 09:08.05 | ompaul | PredaGR: of course this requires your ISP to pass along port 80 traffice |
| 09:08.30 | PredaGR | yes the ISP allows it |
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| 09:09.02 | PredaGR | just do not want to manually assign the port as the server could change at any moment, from one box to another with different ip |
| 09:10.21 | ompaul | PredaGR: as I said - you need to read how to code upnp so it works on a linux box be it in php or some other language |
| 09:10.45 | ompaul | use upnp to open a port on a router this also provides useful results |
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| 09:11.04 | ompaul | with code samples so you don't have to try and type that which is written on irc |
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| 09:18.18 | WaterRatj | Why does debian use suhosin as default for php5? why not have two packages one and one without suhosn |
| 09:19.06 | treebeen | WaterRatj: that probably would be a question for the maintainers of php... |
| 09:19.15 | ompaul | WaterRatj: if you feel that should be the case submit a bug wishlist request |
| 09:19.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | one would feel this had been discussed and couldprobably be looked up too |
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| 09:25.48 | [pulltheplug]jeo | whats the replacement for whitespace in debian? |
| 09:26.00 | kenro | Hi. High? Hai! Well, not, actually. I was wandering if Backports had bleder 2.56 yet? |
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| 09:26.11 | kenro | I was wandering if Backports had blender 2.56 yet? |
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| 09:26.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | ,versions blender |
| 09:26.42 | judd | Package blender on i386 -- lenny: 2.46+dfsg-6; squeeze: 2.49.2~dfsg-2+b2; squeeze-multimedia: 2.49.2~dfsg-2.1; sid: 2.56.1-beta-svn34076-1; wheezy: 2.56.1-beta-svn34076-1 |
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| 09:26.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | 'no' |
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| 09:27.38 | kenro | I can get wheezy pkg backports, though? |
| 09:27.58 | kenro | wheezy to squeeze |
| 09:28.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | all official backports are testing -> stable |
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| 09:28.48 | kenro | and wheezy is current Testing? |
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| 09:29.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | yep |
| 09:29.51 | kenro | Then where ca I access wheezy to squeeze backports? |
| 09:30.05 | [pulltheplug]jeo | is ter any alternative for "cat filename"?? |
| 09:30.16 | [pulltheplug]jeo | like cat%20filename?? |
| 09:30.18 | bocaneri | What "alternative" do you want? |
| 09:30.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | backports are done manually, they aren't done automatically (so you can't, unless you make the backport) |
| 09:30.37 | [pulltheplug]jeo | alternative for whitespace |
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| 09:31.12 | bocaneri | [pulltheplug]jeo, at a command line? |
| 09:31.21 | [pulltheplug]jeo | yea |
| 09:31.24 | [pulltheplug]jeo | yes |
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| 09:31.38 | bocaneri | None that I'm aware of; why do you need it? |
| 09:32.22 | [pulltheplug]jeo | there is some env variable |
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| 09:32.35 | [pulltheplug]jeo | its there...i know but i forgot wht it was |
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| 09:32.48 | kenro | 'kay, KK, so what are backports.debian.org and apt-get.net? |
| 09:32.57 | bocaneri | There are all kinds of environment variables, but you're not making clear why you need to eliminate spaces from a command line. |
| 09:33.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | kenro: backports are backports. which are done manually (as i said). apt-get.net? no idea. not a debian project |
| 09:34.39 | [pulltheplug]jeo | competition |
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| 09:35.04 | [pulltheplug]jeo | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:35.16 | kenro | So what, then, is bacports.org? |
| 09:35.28 | kenro | backports.debian.org |
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| 09:35.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | gives up |
| 09:35.54 | bocaneri | "competition"? |
| 09:36.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | ignores irc for a while |
| 09:36.31 | kenro | oh don't 'give up' just because you're caught in a lie. |
| 09:37.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | must be sunday |
| 09:37.27 | ompaul | evening Kamping_Kaiser |
| 09:37.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | ompaul: hey. hows your morning? |
| 09:38.21 | ompaul | Kamping_Kaiser: not sure yet, need to apt-get install coffee |
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| 09:38.37 | kenro | why should debian maintain a repo of 'official' bacports if each user must backport it himself? |
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| 09:38.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | ompaul: aye. some things are important to life |
| 09:39.43 | kenro | idiot |
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| 09:40.12 | jargon- | kenro: hey,now. no need for that |
| 09:40.36 | cahoot | kenro: such outburst only reflect on yourself |
| 09:40.39 | kenro | better than cussing |
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| 09:41.04 | ompaul | kenro: would you even know how to build a distro ... I can vouch for Kamping_Kaiser being able to, clever boy |
| 09:41.14 | ompaul | kenro: you get the clever boy bit ;-) |
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| 09:41.49 | jargon- | ompaul: gender-flawed jurassic park reference? |
| 09:41.59 | Scramblejams | Hi all. I have a bunch of xset commands I like to run after I log in. Where should I put these so they're run automatically on login? |
| 09:42.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | ompaul: you flatter me :) |
| 09:42.18 | ompaul | jargon-: hehe, almost |
| 09:42.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | Scramblejams: try .xsession |
| 09:42.38 | Scramblejams | Kamping_Kaiser: So that'll run if I put it in ~/.xsession? |
| 09:43.03 | cahoot | does gnome (f ex) care about .xsession? |
| 09:43.12 | Scramblejams | (I'm using xfce4 if that matters) |
| 09:43.47 | kenro | ompaul: whole thing is, as you might already know, I asked if debian et al has backported blender 2.56 to squeeze. Right? |
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| 09:44.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | Scramblejams: should do, give it a go and see what happens |
| 09:44.56 | Scramblejams | Thanks, brb |
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| 09:46.12 | ompaul | kenro: and if you bothered to actually look at the web site you would not have gone down in my estimation given kk is a personal friend :) http://backports.debian.org/Packages/ |
| 09:47.10 | kenro | The no, it's not official backport. |
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| 09:47.34 | Scramblejams | Kamping_Kaiser: Nope, no workie. :-( |
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| 09:48.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | Scramblejams: what do the commands do? |
| 09:48.48 | Scramblejams | xset b off, xset -dpms, xset s off |
| 09:49.21 | Scramblejams | Oh, maybe I want ~/.xprofile? |
| 09:49.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm. i'd have expected the to run fine. the only other i can think of is .xinitrc |
| 09:49.50 | Scramblejams | Also in ~? |
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| 09:50.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | yep |
| 09:50.39 | Scramblejams | K thanks, brb. |
| 09:50.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | if those don't do it i'm out of ideas sorry |
| 09:51.09 | Scramblejams | No sweat, if it doesn't work I'll come at it from an xorg.conf angle... |
| 09:52.24 | kenro | But then, neither is apt-get.net. I mis-spoke out of frustration, thinking I was getting a runaround. What I asked was not if debian had a backport, but if anyone, trustworthy, had a backport. |
| 09:53.33 | cahoot | trustworthyness is tricky |
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| 09:56.34 | kenro | Right. Why run him aroud through blind dead ends whe you can just stonewall him off into his own little world. Thanks anyway. |
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| 09:58.35 | ompaul | I guess he held up a good mirror at ~39 if you don't ask the right question you have no chance to discover the right answer :) |
| 09:58.40 | [Sanyi] | re |
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| 10:06.40 | itsPhilip | I have to transfer lots of small files but I cannot tar them all at once, is it possible to tar the first 20k files, then the next 20k..? |
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| 10:07.30 | Bushmills | itsPhilip: tar those from a* to h*, then from i* to p* etc |
| 10:08.08 | itsPhilip | Bushmills: could you give me a little bit of code? :-) |
| 10:08.21 | Bushmills | just any code? |
| 10:08.34 | ompaul | itsPhilip: stupid question why can't you transfer them in a single go? |
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| 10:08.59 | itsPhilip | Bushmills: code that is relevant to my question would be perfect ;-) |
| 10:09.07 | ompaul | rsync might be more useful ... tar cvf a.tar a* |
| 10:09.18 | itsPhilip | ompaul: transferring small files is very slow |
| 10:09.19 | Bushmills | itsPhilip: you don't need code for that. you merely need to invoke tar |
| 10:09.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | 'night all |
| 10:09.36 | itsPhilip | thanks ompaul |
| 10:09.48 | ompaul | night Kamping_Kaiser |
| 10:09.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | later mate |
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| 10:10.09 | Bushmills | try echo {a..c}* |
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| 10:11.39 | itsPhilip | Bushmills, can I also get just a count instead of all files starting with a,b,c? |
| 10:12.00 | Bushmills | wel, you can pipe to wc -l |
| 10:12.23 | itsPhilip | okay |
| 10:12.35 | babilen | itsPhilip: Why can't you tar them all at once btw? |
| 10:12.54 | itsPhilip | babilen: the files are 800gb in size but I just have 1tb hdd |
| 10:13.24 | ompaul | itsPhilip: use rsync to copy them all or start with scp until it dies then use rsync |
| 10:13.25 | babilen | ah, you have several thousand 800GB files? |
| 10:13.26 | superlinux | hi. how can I make the location of the background of gnome contains the window of an application instead? |
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| 10:13.37 | ompaul | babilen: no the other way around ;-) |
| 10:14.23 | itsPhilip | echo {a..c}* | wc -l < always returns 1 |
| 10:15.03 | Bushmills | true. well, that's easily solved |
| 10:15.18 | ompaul | itsPhilip: rsync -ave ssh /path/to/files backupuser@at.other.box:/path/to/backup |
| 10:16.05 | ompaul | itsPhilip: /path/to/backup needs to be created before you start the backup |
| 10:16.14 | itsPhilip | ompaul: ty |
| 10:17.10 | ompaul | itsPhilip: defining the problem is usually better than saying what solution you want ;-) there are many ways to skin a cat --- itsPhilip it will take a long time for it to start working so you might just run a couple of test versions of small stuff before you start |
| 10:18.36 | itsPhilip | ompaul: so you don't think that I should tar my data before transferring? |
| 10:18.59 | ompaul | itsPhilip: that will bring the files over one at a time |
| 10:19.18 | ompaul | itsPhilip: tar makes extra work and given you don't have the space I wouldn't bother |
| 10:19.34 | itsPhilip | ompaul: I started a scp download 3 hours ago and it just transferred 19G :( |
| 10:19.45 | ompaul | itsPhilip: it is remote? |
| 10:20.06 | witchdoc | guten morgen alle |
| 10:20.33 | itsPhilip | ompaul: 2 servers in the same datacenter, but once server has a broken hdd and got really slow :/ |
| 10:20.35 | ompaul | moin witchdoc |
| 10:20.39 | babilen | itsPhilip: You could throw in a "z" (which would make it "-avze") to ask rsync to compress the files. |
| 10:20.54 | ompaul | itsPhilip: so that explains your speed problem |
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| 10:21.44 | ompaul | itsPhilip: also in that kind of a case shouldn't you really move the bad disk into the good box and get the advantage of sata (or scsi but same box beats network ever day) |
| 10:22.31 | itsPhilip | actually I'm not very sure if the hdd is broken, but I think so because of the high iowait rate and low Blk_read rate on sdb -> http://pastebin.com/kAp4BJVy |
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| 10:30.25 | superlinux | hi. how can I make the location of the background of gnome contains the window of an application instead? |
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| 10:31.31 | ompaul | itsPhilip: so you put up with the slow speed and wander off or put it in the same box |
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| 10:32.31 | dagni | hi all, i installed 2.6.38.1 kernel from sid, it all works ok except i get kernel panic randomly after boot, sometimes it's 3 minutes sometimes longer before kernel panic and sometimes no kernel panic at all, how i can determine what's faulty ? |
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| 10:33.58 | jelly-home | interesting definition of "all works ok" |
| 10:34.35 | Black_Prince | shrugs |
| 10:35.42 | ompaul | jelly-home: some additional context is good :) |
| 10:36.00 | Bushmills | suspects RAM |
| 10:36.03 | ompaul | not a lot, so that you'd notice but enough. |
| 10:36.16 | ompaul | Bushmills: no, because ... other disk is fine |
| 10:36.28 | ompaul | Bushmills: unless you have some other thing you are talking off |
| 10:36.38 | Bushmills | dagni: ^^^ |
| 10:37.04 | ompaul | Bushmills: ack |
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| 10:38.12 | dagni | Bushmills: i have also win7 on my laptop, and i have kernel from squeeze and both squeeze and win7 doesn't hang up ;) |
| 10:38.22 | Bushmills | no, scrap RAM. should, when linux managed to boot, also randomly abort program, not only kernel panic |
| 10:38.29 | dagni | just that kernel 2.6.38.1 randomly panics |
| 10:38.40 | dagni | Bushmills: i get just kernel panic |
| 10:38.41 | dagni | ! ;) |
| 10:38.41 | dpkg | ;) |
| 10:38.51 | dagni | compilation is fine |
| 10:39.03 | dagni | it's something with 2.6.38.1 and i wonder how to find out what's buggy |
| 10:39.17 | Bushmills | dagni: i think we can conclude that there may be a problem |
| 10:39.25 | dagni | hahaha |
| 10:39.34 | dagni | yeah.. i agree. |
| 10:39.59 | dagni | does debian store the kernel panic dump into log file ? |
| 10:40.02 | dagni | i checked and can't find it |
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| 10:46.01 | pzn | commando "cp -a" is working ok for many minutes. then it says "killed" and exit status is 137. why? |
| 10:46.44 | pzn | ulimit -t (cpu time) is unlimited |
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| 10:51.24 | phaidros | how can I tell rkhunter to ignore a path under /dev/shm completely? |
| 10:51.28 | phaidros | cant find any useful docs on this |
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| 10:52.06 | phaidros | dagni: check sysctl variable imho |
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| 10:54.17 | dagni | phaidros: which variable exactly ? ;) |
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| 10:57.59 | kristian-aalborg | hi, anyone know of some nice framebuffer fonts (apart from Terminus)? |
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| 10:58.10 | kristian-aalborg | I'm looking for .psf files |
| 10:58.12 | phaidros | dagni: cant remember, but: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=core+dump+sysctl |
| 10:58.14 | phaidros | :D |
| 10:58.31 | phaidros | first hit should help |
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| 10:59.38 | phaidros | anyone an idea on rkhunter ignoring a complete path? |
| 10:59.40 | dagni | phaidros: i do not want core dump ! |
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| 11:00.00 | phaidros | dagni: oh. what was your precise question then again? |
| 11:00.24 | phaidros | ah, just read the log. I dont know on that, sry |
| 11:00.40 | dagni | np. i appreciate your attempt to help me ;> |
| 11:01.05 | phaidros | erm, might want to google for "debian panic syslog" maybe ? |
| 11:02.10 | gnugr | phaidros: type /msg dpkg mit-shm |
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| 11:03.21 | phaidros | gnugr: uhm, thanx, but I dont understand the relation to rkhunter ignoring my hardlinked caches in /dev/shm .. o.O |
| 11:03.33 | phaidros | I need rkhunter just to ignore /dev/shm/xxx/* |
| 11:03.44 | phaidros | but I cannot figure out the correct config option |
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| 11:12.20 | obiwahn | What is the use of Host_List in /etc/sudoers? is the single purpose that you are able to copy 1 file to multiple pcs? |
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| 11:25.21 | vanillaslice | hello |
| 11:25.54 | w8l | vanillaslice: Hello. |
| 11:25.56 | vanillaslice | i have debian isntalle on a VPS with 256mb... Apache, PHP, MySQL, courier, phpmyadmin .. is it right that the seer is using a whole 200MB of memory???? |
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| 11:26.46 | vanillaslice | i have literally 1 site on there - when i visit it, the server topples over due to memory limit |
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| 11:28.55 | wolfric | vanillaslice: seer? |
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| 11:29.14 | vanillaslice | wolfric ? |
| 11:30.16 | wolfric | vanillaslice: what do you mean by "the seer" |
| 11:30.23 | wolfric | vanillaslice: read back on what you said |
| 11:30.42 | vanillaslice | sorry wolfric, i meant server |
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| 11:32.02 | wolfric | vanillaslice: try echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
| 11:32.15 | wolfric | with root obviously |
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| 11:33.21 | vanillaslice | wolfric, it sysa operation not permitted, that is with root |
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| 11:34.15 | wolfric | run top and press shift m to sort by memory and see what's taking it up |
| 11:34.21 | zgedneil | use su rather than sudo |
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| 11:34.54 | wolfric | or echo 1 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
| 11:35.26 | zgedneil | sudo sh -c and quoted command seems more sensible |
| 11:35.40 | zgedneil | the real question though is why no swap? |
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| 11:36.36 | vanillaslice | getting persmisions denied + operatiosn not permitted |
| 11:36.45 | ompaul | vanillaslice: su - |
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| 11:36.49 | vanillaslice | also i added %'s of memory and its no more than 60% |
| 11:36.56 | vanillaslice | ompaul: i am logged in as root |
| 11:37.14 | ompaul | vanillaslice: |
| 11:37.17 | zgedneil | do you have proc mounted? |
| 11:37.20 | vanillaslice | zgedneil: how would i know if im using swap? |
| 11:37.25 | zgedneil | vanillaslice: free |
| 11:37.34 | ompaul | vanillaslice: type "free" with no " |
| 11:37.55 | vanillaslice | free shows 20mb |
| 11:38.01 | vanillaslice | i have 256mb in total |
| 11:38.15 | zgedneil | does it not have a "Swap:" line? |
| 11:38.22 | vanillaslice | nope |
| 11:38.26 | wolfric | perhaps you don't have full control over the kernel. Might it using something like linux vserver or openvz. I'm not sure if that would affect changes like that but it might |
| 11:38.29 | ompaul | no swap |
| 11:38.36 | zgedneil | vanillaslice: you probably want swap then :-) |
| 11:39.00 | ompaul | vanillaslice: can you type cat /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
| 11:39.06 | vanillaslice | wolfric: openvz :) |
| 11:39.19 | ompaul | good luck with that then :) |
| 11:39.25 | vanillaslice | ompaul: returns 0 |
| 11:39.42 | vanillaslice | ok so adding swap, is it complicated? |
| 11:39.50 | zgedneil | so is this on quite a restricted system or something? running off flash? |
| 11:39.57 | zgedneil | vanillaslice: not hugely |
| 11:39.58 | ompaul | vanillaslice: so can you make it do this echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
| 11:40.11 | vanillaslice | zgedneil: i was told i get total control but.. |
| 11:40.37 | vanillaslice | bash: echo: write error: Operation not permitted |
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| 11:40.59 | ompaul | vanillaslice: ok so you don't have authority - so you can't be respected ;-) |
| 11:41.12 | ompaul | </southpark> |
| 11:41.26 | vanillaslice | :-O |
| 11:42.12 | zgedneil | what does uname -a say? |
| 11:42.27 | treebeen | do you build stuff for amd64 and x86 on the same machine? |
| 11:42.43 | muneeb | what player to use to watch swf videos with seek bar? |
| 11:42.48 | vanillaslice | Linux 2.6.18-194.26.1.el5.028stab079.2 #1 SMP Fri Dec 17 19:25:15 MSK 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:43.08 | zgedneil | muneeb: mplayer works, they're usually called flv BTW |
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| 11:43.25 | zgedneil | seeking is slow though due to the format |
| 11:43.50 | muneeb | zgedneil, i tried with it but it isnt working.. they are working with Gnash |
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| 11:44.08 | zgedneil | muneeb: probably not normal flash video then |
| 11:44.13 | ompaul | treebeen: it can be done but it is not the best way to stay sane - what is the function of the machine? |
| 11:44.51 | zgedneil | vanillaslice: that's kind of old, which debian are you running? |
| 11:45.00 | muneeb | zgedneil, then why is it playing with Gnash and not with mplayer?? what is other choice? |
| 11:45.04 | ompaul | treebeen: and I'm not going to talk you through building a chrooted box (life is too short) ;-) so I ask again what function does that box serve? |
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| 11:45.28 | treebeen | ompaul: no real function, it's spare more or less |
| 11:45.29 | zgedneil | muneeb: there are various possibilities, one obvious one is that it's not really video but just a flash animation |
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| 11:46.05 | zgedneil | muneeb: which would mean your other option is adobe's flash plugin and not much else really |
| 11:46.18 | ompaul | treebeen: so if it desktop then I'd do 32bit for codecs and stuff but if it is a server I'd do 64bit |
| 11:46.26 | slidesinger-lt | if I want to find out what package conflicts with another package or why aptitude and apt-get want to remove it, what tool should I be using? |
| 11:46.39 | muneeb | zgedneil, i need seek bar and that's my main problem actually |
| 11:46.41 | ompaul | treebeen: you can build for many platforms by using your cross compiler :) |
| 11:46.47 | thm | vanillaslice: having also a VPS with low RAM I decided to use nginx instead of apache. small and fast. |
| 11:46.54 | zgedneil | muneeb: if it's a flash animation you won't get one |
| 11:47.35 | treebeen | ompaul: yeah, well it's just that I'm trying to backport chromium for stable and this amd64 so I'd probably want to make x86 too |
| 11:47.50 | muneeb | zgedneil, the website from where i sniffed it had the seekbar but i'm unable to get it offline |
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| 11:48.28 | ompaul | treebeen: base system amd64 and then install kvms for 32bit (if the hardware has the flags needed) |
| 11:48.34 | vanillaslice | zgedneil: Debian 5, i did a full upgrade |
| 11:48.40 | ompaul | treebeen: else dual boot |
| 11:48.58 | vanillaslice | thm: problem is, our existing sites all have .htaccess files, etc..we have to migrate sites sometimes |
| 11:49.00 | zgedneil | muneeb: no idea then |
| 11:49.09 | vanillaslice | tring to create a fake swap atm |
| 11:49.18 | zgedneil | vanillaslice: a swapfile? |
| 11:49.30 | tobNoOne | Anyone knows how to uninstall everything for a word, like I want to uninstall everything that have anything to do with Ruby? |
| 11:49.50 | vanillaslice | zgedneil: yes, http://hostingfu.com/article/xen-or-openvz -- comment 7 |
| 11:50.21 | ompaul | tobNoOne: apt-get remove ruby* you may have a lib or two left over but it is a good start |
| 11:50.31 | muneeb | zgedneil, i'm trying on this since last week.. no luck till now.. hope someday someone builds it!! |
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| 11:50.48 | tobNoOne | ompaul: Thanks! |
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| 11:51.03 | ompaul | tobNoOne: then run locate ruby and then use rdepends ruby and see what else can be seen |
| 11:51.15 | ompaul | tobNoOne: you'll have fun |
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| 11:51.31 | ompaul | sometimes there is great freedom in having no choice |
| 11:51.41 | tobNoOne | ompaul: Ok, thanks |
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| 11:52.40 | itsPhilip | I'm shocked. ticket response time < 1 minute & hdd change < 8 minutes |
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| 11:53.15 | ompaul | itsPhilip: be happy it is sunday |
| 11:53.35 | itsPhilip | I'm happy, this can't be any faster. =) |
| 11:53.53 | zgedneil | vanillaslice: that won't help at all, all that does is make free lie |
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| 11:54.34 | zgedneil | as far as I can tell, anyway |
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| 11:55.09 | tobNoOne | ompaul: I dont have the rdepends... but thanks anyway |
| 11:55.32 | vanillaslice | I may just change to Xen |
| 11:55.40 | vanillaslice | suppor tickets are so fucking slow |
| 11:56.07 | zgedneil | if it really can't do swap then it's that or run different software |
| 11:56.07 | ompaul | vanillaslice: you need to scale up |
| 11:56.43 | vanillaslice | ompaul: you mean the server? i only want to run a LAMP server |
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| 11:57.12 | ompaul | vanillaslice: as someone said you don't need apache |
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| 11:58.08 | vanillaslice | ompaul: i do, as ai said we migrate websites between clients and our servers, which include htaccess files redirecting. we dont want thte hassle of messing with redirects |
| 11:58.37 | ompaul | vanillaslice: that I didn't catch |
| 11:58.51 | ompaul | vanillaslice: maybe its time to get a bigger vps |
| 11:59.04 | vanillaslice | ompaul: you may be right, but ill try Xen first |
| 12:00.42 | vanillaslice | bbl! cheers for the help guys |
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| 12:05.49 | treebeen | ll |
| 12:05.53 | treebeen | oops |
| 12:06.19 | nevyn | /names |
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| 12:08.43 | Black_Prince | I notice some speed decrease with jfs ... |
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| 12:11.18 | casts | i had corruption, twice, with hfs |
| 12:11.20 | casts | jfs* |
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| 12:13.45 | quintuz | helll :) |
| 12:13.48 | quintuz | hello^ |
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| 12:15.20 | quintuz | can someone please explain me howto upgrade php5.3.3-7+sqeeeze1 to php5.3.6 in debian6 safely without recompiling? |
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| 12:16.29 | quintuz | I know that there is "aptitude safe-upgrade" and that the testing branch contains the latest php.. but I might be totally wrong.. that's why I need your help |
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| 12:18.20 | tobNoOne | how can i get what dist I have installed? |
| 12:18.27 | quintuz | uname -a |
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| 12:18.39 | tobNoOne | Thanks |
| 12:18.57 | quintuz | np |
| 12:19.00 | tobNoOne | But how to know if its lenny or etch? |
| 12:19.28 | witchdoc | re |
| 12:19.37 | witchdoc | f**king windows |
| 12:19.48 | cahoot | !version |
| 12:19.48 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 12:20.07 | quintuz | toobNoOne cat /etc/issue |
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| 12:21.08 | quintuz | !php |
| 12:21.09 | dpkg | PHP is a scripting language. To install, ask me about <install php>. See also <php5>, <php4 security>, <php wants me to download still>, <php mysql>, <php userdir>, <phpmyadmin>, <php gd>, <pear>, <pecl>, <xampp>. http://wiki.debian.org/PHP http://www.php.net/ #php on irc.oftc.net, #php and ##php on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:21.16 | quintuz | !upgrade php |
| 12:21.27 | quintuz | hm |
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| 12:22.48 | quintuz | cahoot is there a way to manually browse the bot database? maybe I find my answer there.. |
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| 12:24.19 | treebeen | ,versions php |
| 12:24.21 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'php' was found in i386. |
| 12:24.26 | dr_traktor | Who uses rtorrent? |
| 12:24.29 | quintuz | !php5 |
| 12:24.29 | dpkg | PHP5 is the only <PHP> version available in Lenny and Squeeze, as PHP4 support has been discontinued; ask me about <php4 security>. |
| 12:24.36 | treebeen | ,versions php5 |
| 12:24.37 | judd | Package php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny10; squeeze: 5.3.3-7; wheezy: 5.3.3-7; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze1; sid: 5.3.6-2; sid: 5.3.6-4 |
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| 12:25.43 | quintuz | hmm when I change my repos from squeeze to sid that would lead to dependancy problems right? |
| 12:25.44 | treebeen | quintuz: take the source deb from sid and recompile with dpkg-buildpackage |
| 12:25.54 | quintuz | ah |
| 12:26.00 | quintuz | treebeen: wise |
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| 12:27.42 | dr_traktor | Looks like a couple of rtorrent instances are somehow running in the background. Shouldn't I be able to see if that is the case using 'ps aux|grep rtorrent' ? |
| 12:28.03 | dr_traktor | But using that command I cant see any instances but the tracker thinks I am running multiple (it is true I launched multiple) |
| 12:28.08 | quintuz | treebeen: but I need to change my sources.list to get the sid package right? |
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| 12:28.29 | treebeen | quintuz: yeah, deb-src |
| 12:28.30 | dr_traktor | So is it possible that something is running in some state and not showing up on ps aux? |
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| 12:28.51 | treebeen | dr_traktor: disguised |
| 12:29.02 | quintuz | treebeen: thanks a lot! |
| 12:29.28 | treebeen | quintuz: np |
| 12:29.33 | MeglaW | i donno why webalizer does not seem to update itself, its supposed to be a chrond job, but it does not update |
| 12:29.57 | dr_traktor | treebeen: How can I shut it down? |
| 12:30.22 | dr_traktor | How can I check if that's truly the case? |
| 12:30.38 | treebeen | dr_traktor: you have to do magic, with lsof, netstat etc. |
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| 12:30.49 | dr_traktor | Right. |
| 12:30.54 | Geophit | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.58 | MeglaW | http://pastebin.com/Y9GGCXMS |
| 12:31.12 | MeglaW | can someone tell me what that means |
| 12:31.20 | [Sanyi] | re |
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| 12:31.36 | babilen | !tell quintuz -about ssb |
| 12:31.42 | dr_traktor | treebeen: Looks like its okay now. I appreciate the hints though. Thanks. |
| 12:32.19 | quintuz | babilen: ? |
| 12:32.31 | babilen | quintuz: Note that this might cause problems with some/all php5-* packages. |
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| 12:33.13 | babilen | quintuz: The "ssb" factoid summarises how to backport a package from sid manually. I thought you might need a bit more information than "take the source deb from sid and recompile with dpkg-buildpackage" |
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| 12:33.44 | quintuz | babilen: you are right.. I need more information. since this is the first time I have to do it |
| 12:33.58 | quintuz | babilen: thanks for thinking for me in advance :) |
| 12:34.02 | babilen | hehe |
| 12:35.02 | quintuz | babilen: I really worried about dependancy problems because those are hard to fix.. and I've full access on my heavy rootserver.. |
| 12:35.29 | quintuz | !ssb |
| 12:35.29 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 12:36.04 | babilen | quintuz: Note my remark on compatibility with other php5- packages/libraries. I have no idea how serious PHP5 takes backwards compatibility in patch versions (x.y.Z releases) |
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| 12:36.29 | babilen | quintuz: Did you not receive a private message from dkpg? |
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| 12:37.34 | quintuz | babilen: oh. sorry I've not seen that I got a pm. I'm not sure if I get what you mean by backwards compatibility problems. I need to remove the currently installed php version anyway no? |
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| 12:39.31 | babilen | quintuz: Yes, you'll replace it with the newer versions. I am talking about all the other php5-* packages like, for example, php5-json. I have no idea if they'll still work when you replace the PHP5 version installed on your system. Typically only backward compatible changes should be introduced in patch versions (x.y.Z) but PHP5 is known for not taking that too serious. |
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| 12:40.20 | babilen | quintuz: That would mean that you'll have to backports all *other* php5-* packages you currently use from sid as well. |
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| 12:40.35 | quintuz | babilen: ahh now I get what you mean.. the php extensions. I guess I've to upgrade them aswell probably.. no idea |
| 12:41.53 | babilen | quintuz: Just wanted to give you a warning about that. Please note that *you* are now responsible for updating the php5 versions when new ones are uploaded to sid. This might turn out to be a major hassle. What is the reason why you want to upgrade the php version? |
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| 12:41.55 | bzed | quintuz: a lot of the php5-* packages are built from the same source as php |
| 12:42.01 | bzed | quintuz: maybe that is enough for you |
| 12:42.12 | babilen | bzed: right :) |
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| 12:42.50 | quintuz | babilen: I wanted to ugpgrade because the current php version in squeeze is affected by the floating point exploit |
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| 12:43.13 | bzed | quintuz: if that is the case, there would be a security release. |
| 12:43.23 | babilen | quintuz: Are you sure? Typically packages in stable releases are patched when security related bugs are found. |
| 12:43.25 | bzed | quintuz: is the bug filed in debian already? |
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| 12:43.41 | quintuz | bzed: let me check that |
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| 12:44.23 | babilen | DSA-2018-1 + #573573 |
| 12:44.28 | babilen | !dbugs 573573 |
| 12:44.33 | dpkg | DONE:#573573:I[php5-xmlrpc] CVE-2010-0397: null pointer dereference in the xmlrpc extension (confirmed security pending); Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:09:02 UTC [] |
| 12:44.41 | babilen | That one? ^^^^ |
| 12:45.13 | babilen | A, no way too old. /me digs further :) |
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| 12:45.28 | bzed | babilen: http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=53632 |
| 12:45.38 | quintuz | !dbugs 53632 |
| 12:45.41 | dpkg | DONE:#53632:N[pcmcia-cs] pcmcia-cs: cardinfo segfaults on 8bit display if it cannot allocate enough colours (); Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:18:01 UTC [] |
| 12:45.53 | quintuz | eh wrong.. http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=53632 |
| 12:45.53 | babilen | sure? |
| 12:46.12 | bzed | babilen: bugs.php.net... |
| 12:46.14 | bzed | not debian :P |
| 12:46.23 | quintuz | yes.. I'm more stupid than usual today |
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| 12:46.45 | reactor | guys? |
| 12:46.55 | reactor | where can I get Debian Etch? |
| 12:46.55 | bzed | no. only girls here. |
| 12:47.07 | bzed | !etch |
| 12:47.07 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
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| 12:47.19 | reactor | k |
| 12:47.34 | babilen | bzed: Ah, *that* bug. :) |
| 12:47.35 | bzed | reactor: if you really need it, archive.debian.org |
| 12:47.43 | reactor | kk |
| 12:47.48 | reactor | and can a 80586 with 48M of RAM run any Debian? |
| 12:47.52 | bzed | babilen: can't reproduce it here, onl;y amd64 boxes ;) |
| 12:48.03 | bzed | reactor: I'd add some more ram |
| 12:48.13 | babilen | bzed: I can't reproduce it as well, no PHP here ;) |
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| 12:48.26 | bzed | reactor: or go with something optimized for low ram... like damnsmalllinux |
| 12:49.08 | treebeen | reactor: I would say no, not any of the recent at least |
| 12:49.20 | reactor | ok |
| 12:49.21 | reactor | can dsl's configuration be persistent? |
| 12:49.36 | tobNoOne | hmm, dose anyone know what the latest apt source links should be? |
| 12:49.44 | tobNoOne | or where i can find them |
| 12:49.47 | treebeen | reactor: no idea, ask dsl :) |
| 12:49.53 | reactor | k |
| 12:49.54 | reactor | and did the first releases of Debian boot from floppy disks? |
| 12:49.57 | babilen | !tell tobNoOne -about squeeze sources.list |
| 12:50.05 | babilen | !tell tobNoOne -about squeeze-updates |
| 12:50.16 | babilen | !tell tobNoOne -about squeeze-backports |
| 12:50.26 | babilen | tobNoOne: Should get you started ;) |
| 12:50.36 | reactor | I don't like the idea of a HDD installation, as the HDD is way too loud |
| 12:50.39 | tobNoOne | babilen: Thanks! :) I look in to it |
| 12:50.45 | babilen | !tell tobNoOne -about geo sources.list |
| 12:50.47 | Sebus | reactor: would be better to have >96MB of ram on 586 |
| 12:50.57 | babilen | tobNoOne: That last one explains the cdn.debian.net mirrors |
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| 12:51.20 | reactor | Sebus, sad, but noone here's got spare PC100 ram boards |
| 12:51.25 | bzed | reactor: floppy disks ar emuch louder than hard drives imho. better use an usb stick or so if you want something silent |
| 12:51.33 | babilen | tobNoOne: If you need specific help or questions let us know. Paste your sources.list too http://paste.debian.net if you want us to take a look. |
| 12:51.39 | reactor | but they're noisy only when I bootstrap |
| 12:51.40 | bzed | reactor: ebay probably has them |
| 12:51.47 | reactor | yeah maybe |
| 12:51.48 | Sebus | uppss... ;o I have 128MB EDO on pentium board |
| 12:52.24 | bzed | reactor: 256 mb registered ecc for 1 EUR |
| 12:52.32 | Sebus | reactor: look around ebay or something... |
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| 12:52.54 | reactor | k, the shipping will cost much though |
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| 12:53.16 | bzed | reactor: for a piece or a few of ram? 5 EUR or so? |
| 12:53.58 | reactor | hmm, now much £ is it? |
| 12:54.49 | tobNoOne | well babilen here is my source.list... |
| 12:54.49 | tobNoOne | http://paste.debian.net/112129/ |
| 12:54.58 | bzed | reactor: go to ebay.co.uk and figure it out? |
| 12:55.00 | tobNoOne | babilen: I dont know how up to date it is |
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| 12:55.31 | reactor | maybe |
| 12:55.45 | dr_traktor | Why is that I cant use screen except as root? I get permission denied with my own account. |
| 12:55.59 | quintuz | k I'm not sure if the floating point bug is fixed.. simple I'll just test if my server crashes if I run the exploit.. |
| 12:56.00 | tobNoOne | babilen: it seams that it dose not work with your commands you showed med I tried to run: !tell tobNoOne -about squeeze sources.list and it did not work |
| 12:56.09 | quintuz | hopefully not |
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| 12:56.47 | tobNoOne | babilen: besides I wonder if its a joke from the beginning, but I had to try it, cause I dont know better :) |
| 12:56.51 | treebeen | where are the install disks for the old releases? |
| 12:57.00 | treebeen | like woody for example |
| 12:57.21 | birrbert | hi all. I have a small problem with my home server running Debian 6.0.1. I configured it to work as a wireless router but in hostapd there are error messages like this one: WPA: received EAPOL-Key 2/2 Group with unexpected replay counter |
| 12:57.34 | birrbert | does anybody know why this error message occurs and what it means? |
| 12:57.42 | dr_traktor | That is exactly my problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1556631 |
| 12:57.52 | dr_traktor | Except I changed the attributes to 666 |
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| 13:00.06 | Sebus | reactor, look around if you have any computer service in your neighbourhood. They may have some used stuff.. |
| 13:00.29 | reactor | ah, those dumb people throw the used stuff right away |
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| 13:00.36 | reactor | but yes, I can try |
| 13:01.07 | quintuz | nice the current version of php in squeeze is not affected by the flaoting point bug |
| 13:01.37 | erAbuelo | buenas |
| 13:01.53 | babilen | tobNoOne: What commands do you mean? You should have received a number of private messages from dpkg that give more information. |
| 13:02.08 | Sebus | reactor: i bet some1 still have something you're looking for. the question is how much money they might want for it D: |
| 13:02.30 | tobNoOne | babilen: yes, I just saw that, and looking at it right now ;) |
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| 13:02.36 | gnugr | dr_traktor: read this: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 13:02.46 | zgedneil | treebeen: http://archive.debian.org/debian/ |
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| 13:03.31 | babilen | tobNoOne: That being said: You are obviously running etch and changing your sources.list in in the way dpkg told you about will certainly break your system. I also have no idea what these deb http://update.excito.org/ marielle main sources are, but you can probably tell me that. |
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| 13:04.29 | zgedneil | treebeen: I'm not sure if it has CD images for woody but there are floppies at least :-) |
| 13:04.40 | tobNoOne | babilen: Yes, I am running Debian on a small linux server bought from a company that have specialized on creating a mini/silent server |
| 13:04.40 | babilen | tobNoOne: I would *strongly* recommend to upgrade your system to Squeeze. This has to be done in two steps. First you'll have to upgrade to Lenny and then to Squeeze. The process is detailed in the release notes for either release. |
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| 13:05.26 | babilen | tobNoOne: Etch is no longer supported and does *not* receive *any* security support now. You have to upgrade *at least* to squeeze in order to have a supported system. |
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| 13:05.45 | babilen | tobNoOne: Err, you have to upgrade at least to lenny (oldstable) |
| 13:05.50 | tobNoOne | babilen: Yep, I am working on that right now :) Thanks |
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| 13:06.01 | babilen | !tell tobNoOne -about lenny release notes |
| 13:06.06 | babilen | !tell tobNoOne -about squeeze release notes |
| 13:06.15 | tobNoOne | babilen: Do I have correct information to be able to perform this update? |
| 13:06.22 | babilen | tobNoOne: It is quite important to follow the process detailed in the release notes when you upgrade. |
| 13:06.40 | tobNoOne | babilen: Thanks babilen you are a great asset :) |
| 13:07.13 | babilen | tobNoOne: The process is described in great detail in the release notes. Just ask if you have specific questions. What are these "update.excito.org marielle main" sources? They might be problematic when you update. |
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| 13:08.20 | tobNoOne | babilen: the company that produce these servers have there own way to update the software through there own server... in this case update.excito.org... |
| 13:08.38 | dr_traktor | gnugr: I should have execute permissions on tty, right? |
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| 13:09.40 | adb | treebeen, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.0_r6/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 13:09.46 | zgedneil | tobNoOne: I think the main issue would be if there's a custom kernel or similar involved, otherwise you're better off using debian.org |
| 13:09.46 | babilen | tobNoOne: We can't support that. You might want to discuss an upgrade path with them first. Etch is *really* old and has not been supported for a year already. |
| 13:10.22 | tobNoOne | babilen: Thanks I look in to it! :) |
| 13:10.26 | dr_traktor | gnugr: I changed attrib of tty to 777 it still says: permission denied. |
| 13:10.28 | babilen | tobNoOne: Good luck! |
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| 13:10.52 | zgedneil | tobNoOne: also I would consider installing from scratch in preference to a double-upgrade :-) |
| 13:11.07 | babilen | zgedneil, tobNoOne: True |
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| 13:11.17 | treebeen | adb: thanks |
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| 13:11.46 | adb | np |
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| 13:12.05 | tobNoOne | zgedneil: Well I wish it was that simple :) |
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| 13:15.06 | obiwahn | is there a mplayer only lugin for the browsers? |
| 13:15.27 | obiwahn | gecko-mdeiaplyer uses the lame gnome-mplayer |
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| 13:16.07 | obiwahn | freuher gabs mal nen mplayer plugin |
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| 13:24.41 | Black_Prince | gnome-mplayer is gnome front-end to mplayer |
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| 13:26.29 | obiwahn | Black_Prince: i know but i dont want to use the front-end |
| 13:26.57 | obiwahn | on apple trailer eg it has problem that mplayer has not |
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| 13:27.11 | obiwahn | mplayer http://trailers.apple.com/movies/paramount/truegrit/truegrit-tlr2_h480p.mov -user-agent QuickTime/7.6.4 no prop |
| 13:27.36 | obiwahn | but in my browser it sucks dick/cunt |
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| 13:32.23 | obiwahn | like the cache fills up a bit .. it begins playing .. plays 10 sec .. goes back to ststart .. palys the first 12 sces .. strats over again and plays the full trailer |
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| 13:32.39 | jelly-home | increase the cache size? |
| 13:33.02 | obiwahn | you tink more than 300 mb are neccesary? |
| 13:33.26 | obiwahn | o rwhatever the max size was |
| 13:33.58 | obiwahn | even tried to pass -cache-min etc to mplayer |
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| 13:36.08 | Sebus | hmmm... Have anyone encounter a problem with invoke-rc.d networking restart? it shuts down interfaces, but cannot bring them to alive. only ifup <interface> brings them back manually |
| 13:36.16 | Sebus | is this a bug or.. what ? |
| 13:36.24 | as001 | Hi does anyone know how to find RRDTool Default Font Path for cacti in my debian lenny system ? |
| 13:36.25 | ManateeLazyCat | How to make plink startup after i login ? |
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| 13:37.09 | babilen | Sebus: You are probably missing "auto IFACE" stanzas in your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:37.20 | PhoenixSTF | Is it possible to install debian onto a usb drive with Xen hypervisor and work on multiple computers? |
| 13:37.54 | ManateeLazyCat | I create ssh-tunnel.desktop under ~/.config/autostart/ like http://paste2.org/get/1327913 , but plink not startup, why? |
| 13:37.58 | babilen | Sebus: Read "man interfaces" for further details. The reason for that is that the script calls "ifdown -a" which brings down *all* interfaces and then "ifup -a" which activates only those with "auto IFACE" |
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| 13:38.10 | Sebus | babilen: you mean auto-eth0? |
| 13:38.25 | babilen | Sebus: No, I mean "auto eth0" not "auto-eth0" |
| 13:38.34 | ManateeLazyCat | If i run command "plink -N -v name@server -D 127.0.0.1:7070 -pw password" , works fine , but i don't want type this command everytimes i login |
| 13:38.43 | ManateeLazyCat | Any idea? |
| 13:39.04 | babilen | !tell ManateeLazyCat -about init script |
| 13:39.30 | Sebus | oo.. it works now :-) thx babilen |
| 13:39.39 | babilen | Sebus: You are welcome |
| 13:39.57 | ManateeLazyCat | babilen: Thanks a lot! :) |
| 13:40.02 | babilen | np |
| 13:40.09 | obiwahn | ManateeLazyCat: what the hell is plink? |
| 13:40.28 | babilen | ManateeLazyCat: Read the referenced factoids as well (rc.local, runlevel, missing lsb tags) |
| 13:40.44 | babilen | ,info plink |
| 13:40.44 | judd | Package plink (science, optional) in squeeze/i386: whole-genome association analysis toolset. Version: 1.07-1; Size: 1249.8k; Installed: 2884k; Homepage: http://pngu.mgh.harvard.edu/~purcell/plink/ |
| 13:40.53 | ManateeLazyCat | obiwahn: plink is tool to support ssh-tunnel |
| 13:40.59 | ManateeLazyCat | obiwahn: I use it fighting GFW |
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| 13:41.59 | Guest70475 | Hey |
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| 13:42.08 | Guest70475 | Anyone here familiar with preseeding? |
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| 13:42.29 | obiwahn | babilen: i guess that is a bio package |
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| 13:42.52 | babilen | obiwahn: Sequence analysis tool for genomes would be my bet. |
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| 13:43.15 | ManateeLazyCat | obiwahn: I guess it's not my script is wrong, is network problem. If my wifi haven't connect, plink just exit simple. |
| 13:43.23 | ManateeLazyCat | obiwahn: I think that's the real problem. |
| 13:43.42 | obiwahn | why do you use putty package instaed of usual ssh stuff? |
| 13:43.53 | ManateeLazyCat | obiwahn: So any solution, that startup plink after network available? |
| 13:44.07 | ManateeLazyCat | obiwahn: Because i don't need type password everytime. |
| 13:44.11 | babilen | ManateeLazyCat: You might want to file a bug report against plink with severity "wishlist" and suggest that plink ships a suitable init script in the package. (either installed by default or in ../doc/plink/examples) |
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| 13:45.04 | obiwahn | ManateeLazyCat: you should use ssh keys anyway instead of puttig the password pain text into the desktop file |
| 13:45.21 | babilen | ManateeLazyCat: You can define that dependency in an init script with suitable lsb tags ... You want probably want something like: " $local_fs $remote_fs $network $syslog $named" (not sure about syslog) |
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| 13:46.03 | Legacy2010 | hi |
| 13:46.07 | Legacy2010 | I'm trying to preseed an Ubuntu/Debian installation (Must be 100% Unmanned) and for some reason it's not seeing my "d-i partman-md/confirm boolean true" |
| 13:46.12 | Legacy2010 | Can anyone lend a hand? :) |
| 13:46.35 | obiwahn | ManateeLazyCat: genrate a key pair for ssh |
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| 13:47.05 | ManateeLazyCat | I need find a way turn on wifi first, after wifi connect, then startup plink, ok, let me try. |
| 13:47.06 | obiwahn | and put the public key in .ssh/authorized_keys2 on the remote |
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| 13:47.29 | ManateeLazyCat | obiwahn: I can't touch remote server |
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| 13:47.33 | obiwahn | just wirte your own init script |
| 13:47.47 | ManateeLazyCat | obiwahn: I buy ssh account from other country. |
| 13:47.55 | Legacy2010 | I'm trying to preseed an Ubuntu/Debian installation (Must be 100% Unmanned) and for some reason it's not seeing my "d-i partman-md/confirm boolean true" |
| 13:47.56 | ManateeLazyCat | obiwahn: So i just have password. |
| 13:48.03 | babilen | !tell Legacy2010 -about repeat |
| 13:48.04 | voltagex | hi, I'm running fglrx and I'm seeing no 2D hardware acceleration at all (windows are tearing). Where do I start to troubleshoot this? |
| 13:48.05 | obiwahn | when you have the password |
| 13:48.10 | obiwahn | then you can login |
| 13:48.26 | obiwahn | and change the the file in home?! |
| 13:48.30 | babilen | voltagex: How did you install fglrx? |
| 13:48.35 | obiwahn | or is it read only? |
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| 13:48.55 | voltagex | babilen: from the .run script - I'm running 2 6870s so I need the latest version |
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| 13:49.15 | obiwahn | i am not so sure that you are up to any good:P |
| 13:49.16 | jelly-home | !fglrx |
| 13:49.16 | dpkg | fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>, <fglrx pre-built> or see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:49.29 | babilen | voltagex: You want to ask in #ati then. Their .run method is not supported in Debian. I would recommend to use the Debian method though. |
| 13:49.36 | ManateeLazyCat | obiwahn: China have GFW, that's why i buy ssh account from other country, if i server in China, connect will cut. |
| 13:49.38 | voltagex | oh ok |
| 13:49.38 | babilen | !tell voltagex -about fglrx dkms |
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| 13:50.04 | babilen | !tell ManateeLazyCat -about ssh without password |
| 13:50.09 | babilen | !tell ManateeLazyCat -about ssh-copy-id |
| 13:50.15 | babilen | !tell ManateeLazyCat -about ssh-agent |
| 13:50.31 | babilen | ManateeLazyCat: Just something to make your life with ssh better :) |
| 13:51.04 | ManateeLazyCat | babilen: Yes, you need copy public key to remote server, right? |
| 13:51.05 | babilen | voltagex: Good luck! |
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| 13:51.19 | babilen | ManateeLazyCat: Yes, that can be done easily with ssh-copy-id |
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| 13:51.55 | obiwahn | like scp file user@remote:~/.ssh/ |
| 13:51.55 | babilen | ManateeLazyCat: I would generate a key with passphrase and use ssh-agent to handle them, so you don't have to type them all the time |
| 13:52.01 | voltagex | babilen: thanks |
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| 13:52.47 | exXxemMmbBbbbe | hows the support with toucscreens |
| 13:53.09 | ManateeLazyCat | Any script to startup wifi after i login? |
| 13:53.11 | exXxemMmbBbbbe | touch* |
| 13:53.15 | erAbuelo | sofá time :) |
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| 13:55.30 | babilen | ManateeLazyCat: I would recommend to use wicd |
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| 13:55.42 | ManateeLazyCat | Try "dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.NetworkManager /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.Set string:org.freedesktop.NetworkManager string:WirelessEnabled variant:boolean:true" |
| 13:56.01 | ManateeLazyCat | babilen: wicd? |
| 13:56.03 | babilen | ManateeLazyCat: But that depends on your needs. What kind of machine is it? Do you switch between networks regularly? |
| 13:56.11 | ManateeLazyCat | Let me search in Debian packages |
| 13:56.30 | babilen | !tell ManateeLazyCat -about wicd |
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| 13:56.45 | ManateeLazyCat | babilen: I need disable wifi when i at compnay, i use wifi when i at home. :) |
| 13:56.55 | vanillaslice | I found out what was topping the memory...its mysql |
| 13:57.08 | babilen | ManateeLazyCat: So it is a laptop and you have different needs ... wicd is a good option. |
| 13:57.21 | babilen | vanillaslice: Not really a big surprise ;) |
| 13:57.35 | vanillaslice | its a bastard! |
| 13:57.40 | ManateeLazyCat | babilen: Oh, thanks, and wow for #Debian bot. :) |
| 13:58.08 | babilen | ManateeLazyCat: yeah, dpkg is great. A bunch of us are constantly working on it ... |
| 13:58.28 | themill | dpkg: tell vanillaslice about mysql memory usage |
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| 13:58.40 | vanillaslice | cheers themill |
| 13:58.43 | voltagex | babilen: uninstalled the .run package, installing the .debs, I'll reboot and will be back |
| 13:58.52 | babilen | voltagex: see you! |
| 13:59.13 | vanillaslice | THEMILL. |
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| 13:59.23 | vanillaslice | you are one cool doooooooooooooood! |
| 13:59.23 | babilen | voltagex: Followed the "fglrx dkms" factoid? |
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| 13:59.31 | ManateeLazyCat | babilen: Thanks for your great help, i need restart to test my script. :) |
| 13:59.41 | vanillaslice | fixed. |
| 13:59.45 | babilen | ManateeLazyCat: You are most welcome. Hope it works as expected. |
| 13:59.46 | themill | excellent. |
| 13:59.47 | vanillaslice | ponly 63mb usage |
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| 14:03.04 | pulsar_ | which is the best channel to pick up a cute girl? #ubuntu or #debian ? |
| 14:03.34 | PhoenixSTF | Hello, I need help on debian Live, if I put it on a USB-HDD, and if I install any packages or changes on the files, on the live will it save on the USB? |
| 14:04.26 | pulsar_ | PhoenixixSTF: yes, it will |
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| 14:05.04 | pulsar_ | PhoenixixSTF: But I prefer to simply install Debian on a USB Flashdrive the same manner as if it was a normal HDD drive |
| 14:05.17 | mrdeb | pulsar_: #walmart |
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| 14:05.34 | pulsar_ | PhoenixixSTF: Just be sure you format the USB flashdrive with ext2 |
| 14:05.58 | ManateeLazyCat | babilen: I know how to fix my solution, add my script under /etc/network/if-up.d/ :) |
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| 14:06.28 | pulsar_ | mrdeb: thanks for the information. I desperately need a cute debian girl. I'm sick of windows girls |
| 14:06.37 | PhoenixSTF | pulsar_, thanks m8, I intend to put it on a 250GB usb HDD, and will it work on other pcs with diferent caracteristics? |
| 14:07.11 | themill | pulsar_: this isn't a social channel; perhaps you wanted #defocus |
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| 14:07.45 | ManateeLazyCat | babilen: How to know some process has running? |
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| 14:08.08 | pulsar_ | PhoenixixSTF: If it is a USB HDD then you should format it with ext4. Yes it will boot and work on almost any PC. |
| 14:09.03 | mrdeb | pulsar_: why are you asking this question in here |
| 14:09.36 | PhoenixSTF | pulsar_, ok thanks m8 just one more thing what CD should I download for the installation? in the archive they are like 20 or 30? |
| 14:09.57 | pulsar_ | PhoenixixSTF: I even carry an USB flashdrive with Debian squeezy installed on it and till now I had no problems at all! It boots and works normally on any PC I have tried |
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| 14:10.35 | mrdeb | cd1 |
| 14:10.35 | mrdeb | are you installin to an external |
| 14:10.35 | mrdeb | ? |
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| 14:11.24 | zgedneil | ManateeLazyCat: ps aux is one approach |
| 14:11.45 | PhoenixSTF | pulsar_, thats neet :) btw wich CD to download? |
| 14:11.57 | witchdoc | re |
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| 14:12.14 | ManateeLazyCat | zgedneil: Thanks, let me try. |
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| 14:12.45 | pulsar_ | PhoenixixSTF: I think any CD will work. But I have done my USB flashdrive and USB HDD instalattions with Debian net install |
| 14:14.20 | pulsar_ | PhoenixixSTF: with this method you start with a minimal installattion and then aptitude install what you want. If you have a dsl internet connection is probably the best method |
| 14:14.22 | zgedneil | the first CD of the full set is probably best if you have room |
| 14:14.52 | PhoenixSTF | pulsar_, i have fiber optics... so my net is quite good! |
| 14:16.40 | PhoenixSTF | pulsar_, for compatability issues u use the I386 right? |
| 14:16.50 | ManateeLazyCat | I got it: "ps aux | grep plink | grep -v grep | wc -l" |
| 14:17.08 | Ri_usw | ManateeLazyCat: pgrep plink | wc -l |
| 14:17.14 | babilen | ManateeLazyCat: "pgrep plink" ;) |
| 14:17.22 | ManateeLazyCat | Ah, let me try. :) |
| 14:17.25 | Ri_usw | mobidev: pgrep -c plink |
| 14:17.29 | Ri_usw | err |
| 14:17.34 | Ri_usw | ManateeLazyCat :) |
| 14:17.43 | ManateeLazyCat | Thanks, let me try. :) |
| 14:17.57 | ManateeLazyCat | I guess this is awesome place to study linux command. :) |
| 14:18.26 | ManateeLazyCat | Cool |
| 14:18.49 | pulsar_ | PhoenixixSTF: well, on a simple USB flashdrive, ( GB size, I start my debian squeezy system on any computer and the system is always uptodate and has almost everything a person needs... Libreoffice, inkscape, gimp, vlc, smplayer, aqualung, scribus.... a bunch of system tools... you name it.... Now try to do this on Window$... :) |
| 14:19.27 | pulsar_ | PhoenixixSTF: yes... i386. 32 or 64 bits |
| 14:19.54 | pulsar_ | PhoenixixSTF: I mean on a 8 GB flashdrive |
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| 14:20.57 | PhoenixSTF | pulsar_, I am a big fan of linux, only I have been using a lot of ubuntu, a just a bit of debian, so yes i hate windows and who doesn't! :) |
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| 14:21.12 | casts | gnu/linux* |
| 14:21.18 | PhoenixSTF | ftw |
| 14:21.29 | edakiri | what software can determine the maximum RSS used by a program in the course of its life? |
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| 14:23.03 | PhoenixSTF | pulsar_, I want debian on the usb to use xen Hypervisor for a presentation on cloud computing etc, and getting there with a debian on a little thing and Vm all over it will make a very nice presentation. better thatn wingates. |
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| 14:23.25 | pulsar_ | PhoenixixSTF: for excellent performance I prefer to use LXDE on my USB installations. LXDE (with openbox) is much faster and slim than gnome |
| 14:25.35 | ompaul | PhoenixSTF: for effectiveness you really should do that kind of a build on a DVD because you will go mad writing it --- one of the mags did it a couple of years ago xen with debian fedora suse and something else writing that kind of to demo xen but I don't remember which one |
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| 14:27.22 | peta | hello guys |
| 14:28.08 | pulsar_ | PhoenixixSTF: eheheheheh Now imagine the astonishment I create when I boot my Debian squeeze system installed on a 8 GB flashdrive.... With almost any tool one could ever need installed on with, and super fast with a beautiful dark theme. On system startup (after X login with gdm) only 70 MB of memory are used... |
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| 14:32.08 | pulsar_ | PhoenixixSTF: allow me to correct myself. More precisely only 69 MB of ram are used... What a nice number! |
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| 14:32.30 | smacnay | pulsar_, can you post a screenshot? |
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| 14:32.36 | PhoenixSTF | pulsar_, linux rules!!!! |
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| 14:33.46 | PhoenixSTF | pulsar_, that pen drive thing do you have any how to? |
| 14:34.58 | homie | are qt4-dev-tools and qt3-dev-tools mutual ? |
| 14:35.18 | peta | when I change the guid of a group later on, would this break the system? (in my case i created the mysql user/group as normal type (g/uid > 1000) ) |
| 14:35.39 | homie | i seem to have both but, an upgrade tells me one is blocking the other |
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| 14:36.35 | pulsar_ | smacnay: I'm not on the flashdrive system right now. But I can tell you I use a combination of a slightly modified version of the Blue-joy GTK theme with the Mavos openbox theme |
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| 14:38.20 | kwowt | Hi |
| 14:38.41 | kwowt | I'm installing some stuff and getting a warning "E: There are problems and -y was used without --force-yes" - how do i get rid of it? |
| 14:38.45 | Black_Prince | 69MB of ram ... your memory is a pervert |
| 14:38.46 | kwowt | (apt-get) |
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| 14:39.21 | Black_Prince | kwowt pastebin whole output? |
| 14:39.26 | smacnay | pulsar_, thanks |
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| 14:40.48 | pulsar_ | PhoenixixSTF: I created my own howto but I have it on my home desktop system, not here. It is straightforward. The only not so common option is that the flashdrive system is installed on ecrypted luks devices... Only /boot is not encrypted |
| 14:41.34 | kwowt | Black_Prince: http://pastebin.com/jNM1dVGT |
| 14:41.57 | Alvo | hello, sun-java6-bin '6.24-1' is classified as architecture 'i386', but it requires the cmov cpu command which was introduced with prntium pro, so its architecture is like 686 |
| 14:41.57 | lord_rob | Hi ! Is there a package to force numlock on on every tty ? (or at least there was a script written somewhere in a manpage but I don't remember which one) |
| 14:42.03 | kwowt | Black_Prince: woops, wrong part |
| 14:42.07 | Alvo | i will write the maintainer an email |
| 14:42.24 | Pihti | pulsar, you have pervert linux on your stick |
| 14:42.30 | pulsar_ | PhoenixixSTF: ...But every Debian install CD has the option to install the system to encrypted partitions... It's easy. Just create the luks partitions (except for /boot) |
| 14:42.32 | PhoenixSTF | pulsar_, nice :) but I just need it simple :) nothing fancy |
| 14:42.54 | kwowt | Black_Prince: http://pastebin.com/uxdGwmvi |
| 14:43.31 | Black_Prince | kwowt you may need to update debian-archive-keyring |
| 14:44.24 | kwowt | Black_Prince: how? apt-get update ? |
| 14:44.36 | pulsar_ | PhoenixixSTF: ...ok. In my case is just a security measure... If my pen drive gets stolen or lost nobody can acess the data/information/files it has... |
| 14:44.40 | Black_Prince | kwowt apt-get update followed by apt-get upgrade |
| 14:45.41 | kwowt | thanks, i hope this is it |
| 14:46.16 | Black_Prince | After that, try apt-get update and see if it will complain about wrong/missing gpg key |
| 14:46.30 | PhoenixSTF | pulsar_, but its very nice, I might do that with Backtrack4 |
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| 14:48.07 | kwowt | Black_Prince: it doesnt complain |
| 14:48.12 | Black_Prince | Try now |
| 14:48.57 | kwowt | Black_Prince: i've also added APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated 1 ; to apt.conf |
| 14:49.54 | pulsar_ | PhoenixixSTF: and my encrypted 8 GB pen drive Debian squeeze LXDE system is globally faster on a Celeron 2.8 GHz PC than a normal (and unencrypted) Windows 7 instalattion on a fancy multi core processor PC... Now ask Micro$oft developper what are they smoking when they are programing... |
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| 14:51.25 | Black_Prince | kwowt, don't do that, it isn't secure ... Debian archives are signed and debian-archive-keyring package provides their keys ... Allowing unauthenticated can allow you to install packages from 3rd parties which may not be trusted |
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| 15:04.42 | ManateeLazyCat | pasted "ssh-tunnel" at http://paste2.org/get/1328032 |
| 15:04.43 | ManateeLazyCat | I have add ssh-tunnel under /etc/network/if-up.d/ (like above), yes, it run after network available, but after then, process plink exit immediately, something wrong? |
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| 15:06.02 | ManateeLazyCat | I have give permission 755 to ssh-tunnel. |
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| 15:06.17 | ManateeLazyCat | Looks strange |
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| 15:11.14 | hotwings | how do you fix this? W: GPG error: http://www.debian-desktop.org lenny Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1299230156 KEYEXPIRED 1299230156 KEYEXPIRED 1299230156 |
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| 15:19.23 | ketsa | Hi all, how can I know wich driver is currently used by xorg ? i suspect im not using a nvidia driver. display is sloooow. |
| 15:20.37 | Black_Prince | ketsa Look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 15:21.12 | Arrowmaster | if its using the nvidia driver it will have something like 'Loading "nvidia" module' |
| 15:21.43 | Black_Prince | Nvidia isn't used by default unless you ran nvidia-xconfig ... |
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| 15:21.51 | Arrowmaster | (II) LoadModule: "nvidia" |
| 15:22.07 | Arrowmaster | of if you use the nvidia dkms factoids one liner |
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| 15:24.28 | ketsa | i have a lot of LoadModule with various drivers in the log. i ll try this nvidia-xconfig. thanks. |
| 15:24.42 | Arrowmaster | you probably dont want to do that |
| 15:24.46 | ketsa | ah ? |
| 15:25.10 | Arrowmaster | how did you install the nvidia drivers? |
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| 15:25.48 | ketsa | i didnt, but i see nouveau in the log. also fbdev glx ... how to know wich one is used ? |
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| 15:26.30 | Arrowmaster | if you didnt install the nvidia drivers then nouveau is used by default |
| 15:26.42 | Arrowmaster | other modules do other things |
| 15:27.01 | lapfrog | hi guys. i'm looking for an alternative to tar.gz, i've been using it because it stores permissions and users. but it doesn't have a seek index like zip or rar. but zip and rar don't store permissions and user id's afaik. so any ideas? |
| 15:27.24 | ketsa | ok then nouveau is slow ? should i try the other driver from nvidia ? |
| 15:27.44 | lapfrog | so when i want to open a tar.gz, it takes forever to get the file list, and i have archives that are gigabytes in size |
| 15:27.44 | Arrowmaster | nouveau doesnt have full 3d rendering support |
| 15:28.00 | ketsa | i do not need 3d, but slow 2d is annoying. |
| 15:28.16 | lapfrog | ketsa: you have another alternative, called nv |
| 15:28.16 | Arrowmaster | if you want to try the nvidia drivers you can install them with this |
| 15:28.18 | Black_Prince | lapfrog maybe .lzma ? |
| 15:28.21 | lapfrog | so in total you have 3 |
| 15:28.27 | Arrowmaster | !nvidia dkms |
| 15:28.27 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>. |
| 15:28.30 | lapfrog | Black_Prince: will take look |
| 15:28.51 | ketsa | ok thanks all, i'll try the other options. |
| 15:28.52 | Arrowmaster | lapfrog: i think the nv drivers have been somewhat deprecated |
| 15:29.04 | lapfrog | well they might still work, with fast 2D for the guy |
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| 15:29.42 | Arrowmaster | getting them to load might be an issue though |
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| 15:34.43 | IKCSZxmbOTTZ | what about touchskriincsz |
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| 15:36.50 | alecs | hello |
| 15:37.13 | alecs | i have a problem and i dunno how to fix it regarding network interfaces |
| 15:37.43 | Black_Prince | Just state your problem |
| 15:38.29 | alecs | I have added in my /etc/network/interfaces iface eth1 inet static \n address 192.168.56.101 \n netmask 255.255.255.0 \n gateway 192.168.56.1 |
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| 15:39.11 | ketsa | aah, much better. Thanks all for help. |
| 15:39.18 | alecs | and on reboot i was expecting to do what " ifconfig eth1 192.168.56.101 netmask 255.255.255.0 up " does … |
| 15:39.47 | Black_Prince | Do you have 'allow-hotplug eth1' or 'auto eth1' lines before the 'iface eth1 ...' line? |
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| 15:39.55 | alecs | no |
| 15:40.06 | IKCSZxmbOTTZSC | alekcsz |
| 15:40.12 | Black_Prince | Add 'allow-hotplug eth1' before the 'iface eth1 ...' |
| 15:40.26 | alecs | added just now … |
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| 15:41.44 | Black_Prince | It will bring it up after reboot |
| 15:42.04 | Sebus | btw Black_Prince is it nessecary to add network and broadcast lines in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 15:43.15 | Black_Prince | According to man interfaces only address and netmask are required, and network is required for 2.0.x kernels |
| 15:43.30 | alecs | Black_Prince: Thanks ! |
| 15:43.35 | alecs | it works |
| 15:43.41 | Black_Prince | You welcome |
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| 15:45.37 | alecs | Now, i have another one … |
| 15:45.43 | Black_Prince | Ok |
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| 15:49.27 | alecs | I have added this in my etc/fstab this line … \ |
| 15:49.28 | alecs | 192.168.56.1:/Users/alecs/my_path /var/www nfs defaults 0 0 |
| 15:49.45 | alecs | but for some reason is just staying … and doesn'n load |
| 15:50.02 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
| 15:50.20 | Black_Prince | Is it samba or windows share? |
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| 15:50.43 | k1ng | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
| 15:50.43 | k1ng | W: GPG error: http://ftp.de.debian.org stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
| 15:50.51 | k1ng | i am getting those error on lenny |
| 15:50.57 | k1ng | any idea how to fix them? |
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| 15:51.10 | Black_Prince | k1ng stable is now squeeze and it's keys have changed ... |
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| 15:51.21 | k1ng | ah |
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| 15:51.47 | Black_Prince | Change your sources.list to lenny or upgrade to squeeze |
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| 15:52.10 | k1ng | Black_Prince, example please |
| 15:52.31 | k1ng | deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 15:52.39 | k1ng | here is atm |
| 15:52.40 | Black_Prince | just change stable to lenny |
| 15:52.48 | k1ng | ok |
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| 15:53.33 | k1ng | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
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| 15:53.48 | Black_Prince | Now install debian-archive-keyring |
| 15:54.15 | alecs | Black_Prince: it seems that i got an error … reason given by server: Permission denied |
| 15:54.44 | Black_Prince | alecs you may need to pass username and password to the server |
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| 15:55.34 | k1ng | thanks Black_Prince its fixed |
| 15:55.39 | alecs | Black_Prince: how could i do that from /etc/fstab ? |
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| 15:56.11 | Black_Prince | target mountpoint filesystem username=user,password=pass,otheroptions 0 0 |
| 15:56.31 | Black_Prince | in other words just change 'default' to 'username=user,password=pass' |
| 15:57.28 | alecs | mount.nfs: Bad nfs mount parameter: username |
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| 15:57.41 | Black_Prince | *sigh* ... It isn't same like for cifs |
| 15:58.10 | Black_Prince | You didn't answer me, is it samba or something else? |
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| 15:59.30 | treebeen | hmm, so sarge was sporting KDE per default? |
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| 16:03.06 | Black_Prince | *sigh* nfs share doesn't have username or password |
| 16:03.22 | Black_Prince | The problem could be remote server permissions or wrong protocol |
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| 16:16.30 | petemc | rly: what are you using now that you're not seeing the full process name? |
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| 16:17.00 | petemc | i use ps aux |
| 16:17.05 | ompaul | w |
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| 16:18.28 | ompaul | ps auwwx ;-) |
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| 16:19.46 | treebeen | ok, let me see, I've built chromium for squeeze, but I didn't see it demands libvpx0 from sid, any way to fix that other than to rebuild everything? |
| 16:19.54 | petemc | pe auxwef |
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| 16:21.31 | ompaul | bsd and gnu catch all ;-) |
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| 16:28.48 | doublehp | which equivalent to x11-apps/xwarppointer-1 in debian ? |
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| 16:29.51 | Technicus | Hello . . . |
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| 16:29.58 | tonytraductor | hi |
| 16:30.03 | ompaul | !ask |
| 16:30.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:30.11 | doublehp | which equivalent to x11-apps/xwarppointer-1 in debian ? |
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| 16:30.30 | flo|linux | hi |
| 16:30.37 | tonytraductor | I'm at my mom's house, assembled a new comp for her, and trying to install lenny (brought a squeeze disk, but must have burned bad, brought lenny just incase). |
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| 16:30.55 | tonytraductor | I got as far as "Select and install software", and it's haning at 1% Please wait... |
| 16:30.57 | flo|linux | i have a machine with ntp running and the clock in localtime mode; however, that machine hasn't switched to summer time |
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| 16:31.02 | tonytraductor | been there for over 10 minutes. |
| 16:31.07 | flo|linux | why doesn't it work automatically? |
| 16:31.29 | flo|linux | is the problem that the clock is in localtime? or something different? |
| 16:31.35 | tonytraductor | oh, hanging (not haning) |
| 16:31.47 | Technicus | I'm having some issues with updates ( the system is the current Debian Stable ), I often am hesistant to do updates, but last night I decided to go for it so . . . there were 166 updates and I marked them all. |
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| 16:32.20 | Technicus | It required a restart, after restart there were many subtle changes that revealed themselves . . . |
| 16:32.26 | tonytraductor | Tehcnicus, which distro/version? squeeze/testing/sid? |
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| 16:33.04 | ompaul | doublehp: can't say this is of much use to you ... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=617276 |
| 16:33.10 | doublehp | how to move mouse by script ? |
| 16:33.22 | ompaul | doublehp: ahh different problem |
| 16:33.25 | tonytraductor | oh squeeze, ok |
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| 16:33.51 | Technicus | tonytraductor: Debian Stable |
| 16:33.52 | doublehp | ompaul: anything that can move it |
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| 16:34.11 | Technicus | Squeeze, the current release. |
| 16:34.12 | tonytraductor | I see you did say stable |
| 16:34.16 | tonytraductor | sorry |
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| 16:35.14 | ompaul | doublehp: I have no answer for that sorry |
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| 16:35.59 | Technicus | . . . one significant problem is with hardware ( HP pavilion dv9700 laptop ), Debian is no longer able to recognize the onboard wireless network interface. |
| 16:36.32 | Technicus | How can I remedy this? |
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| 16:37.08 | ompaul | !wireless |
| 16:37.08 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 16:37.18 | Technicus | Other than that, Compiz is not working, but that is a different issue with less of a prioirty to repair. |
| 16:37.23 | tonytraductor | can you connect with a wired ethernet connection? |
| 16:37.24 | cahoot | 'recognise'? |
| 16:37.42 | Technicus | The wired does work. |
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| 16:38.33 | doublehp | xdotools mouse ... which just made (again) crash X on gentoo, but does not have this misbehaviour on debian :) |
| 16:39.03 | Technicus | I did not know that drivers were also refered to as modules :) |
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| 16:39.21 | calzifer | how can i sync my config files on my servers between all users? |
| 16:39.43 | calzifer | i mean the config files in home |
| 16:39.48 | doublehp | calzifer: which conf files ? users with same UUID ? different machines ? |
| 16:40.27 | doublehp | calzifer: who can modify them ? who need to overwrite them ? when should sync be done ? do the servers reboot often ? |
| 16:40.42 | doublehp | basicly, rsync + eventually chown/chmod |
| 16:40.52 | calzifer | for example, i'm running a server, and ts3 has a ts3 user, ts2 a ts2 user and mumble a own mumble user, but i can only ssh on my main acc, for example xyz...but if i configure .emacs on xyz, how can i set, that on mumble, ts3 and ts2 they have the same .emacs |
| 16:40.53 | doublehp | or, symlinks/hardlinks |
| 16:41.05 | doublehp | make them owned by root if apps don't need to change them |
| 16:41.26 | doublehp | of even ... shared by NFS |
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| 16:42.12 | doublehp | calzifer: same user ? use NFS |
| 16:42.22 | calzifer | ok |
| 16:42.25 | doublehp | NFS for sharing compleetely the home dir |
| 16:42.32 | doublehp | i thought you wanted sth moer complex |
| 16:42.39 | doublehp | like, just synchronising some files |
| 16:42.56 | calzifer | i only want to sync .emacs* and .zsh* |
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| 16:43.03 | babilen | calzifer: Are all those machines on the same network? Is it just for yourself or are we speaking about a bunch of users? |
| 16:43.14 | calzifer | ya, its only me |
| 16:43.22 | doublehp | in some case, where rsync can't be used, some people set their ~ as CVS folder |
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| 16:43.54 | babilen | calzifer: I would personally recommend to use git to manage your dotfiles and pull/push/merge from a "master" repository in that case. |
| 16:44.03 | calzifer | ok |
| 16:44.11 | babilen | calzifer: You can, naturally, use a different version control system |
| 16:44.23 | tonytraductor | git is better |
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| 16:44.59 | tonytraductor | ok. I restarted this installation, and again, gets to Select and install software, 1% Please wait... and just hangs |
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| 16:45.20 | babilen | calzifer: You could for example push them to github and clone them on all your hosts ... That way you'll have a nice history of changes and good support for merging changes. |
| 16:45.25 | tonytraductor | installing Lenny (squeeze disk apparently didn't burn correctly, thankfully, had brought lenny with me) |
| 16:45.27 | doublehp | calzifer: but NFS as much as you can, as long as user IDs are the same (make them be the same if just for you: change your own UID if required, and chown files), and if all box ar on the same LAN, and connected network |
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| 16:45.36 | tonytraductor | using ftp.us.debian.org mirror |
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| 16:46.03 | thewanderer1 | doublehp: for NFSv4, UIDs don't have to be in sync as long as usernames are |
| 16:46.37 | ompaul | tonytraductor: do you think it is just a mirror issue? |
| 16:46.41 | abcd82 | doublehp: to move mouse with script, you can try xte application, its inside xautomation package |
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| 16:46.47 | tonytraductor | maybe I should try a different mirror? |
| 16:46.53 | tonytraductor | I'v always used this one, without issue |
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| 16:47.05 | tonytraductor | does it make a difference that I'm doing Lenny, not current stable? |
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| 16:47.45 | tonytraductor | maybe I should just install the base system, then upgrade to squeeze before installing any other stuff like xfce, etc. |
| 16:47.47 | babilen | calzifer: I agree with doublehp, but that only helps if all your hosts are on the same network (hence my question) -- Still, managing your dotfiles with a VCS is good and does not conflict with NFS in any way. You might want to look into etckeeper for a tool that does this for /etc |
| 16:48.04 | ompaul | tonytraductor: that would make the whole process faster |
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| 16:48.40 | tonytraductor | I was thinking that. going to do that now, and pick a different mirro |
| 16:48.41 | ompaul | tonytraductor: sometimes mirrors get out of sync |
| 16:48.43 | k1ng | easy money http://vvcap.net/db/3Ckxf_c48PaPjOBZBFzm.htp |
| 16:48.44 | k1ng | :p |
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| 16:50.08 | ompaul | tonytraductor: if you want a fast mirror where the only lag is the start of the conversation ireland and ie.debian.org heanet multi gig system then move back in a day or so if it works for ya |
| 16:50.31 | ompaul | tonytraductor: ping it / traceroute to check if it is reasonable from where you are |
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| 16:52.06 | tonytraductor | sounds good |
| 16:52.11 | tonytraductor | shake hands with Ireland |
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| 16:56.15 | PhoenixSTF | does debian squeeze use iptables? |
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| 16:56.31 | doublehp | y |
| 16:57.00 | PhoenixSTF | mine isnt instaleed wierd |
| 16:57.14 | Bushmills | why didn't you? |
| 16:57.17 | PhoenixSTF | i only got iptables-xml |
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| 16:58.03 | PhoenixSTF | it says it is intalled but i cant pull the iptables, hmmm |
| 16:58.41 | Bushmills | never "pulled" them. instead, he added rules |
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| 16:59.40 | PhoenixSTF | ok my iptables is installed but by some reason, I cant call in from the Terminal, i have to go to sbin to do it |
| 16:59.56 | PhoenixSTF | and push ./iptables |
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| 17:00.01 | PhoenixSTF | hmm |
| 17:00.06 | PhoenixSTF | anyone got any clues? |
| 17:00.13 | Bushmills | sounds perfectly normal |
| 17:00.32 | Bushmills | even though it's sort of difficult to make sense from what you're saying |
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| 17:01.37 | zophy | sounds like a shell PATH issue |
| 17:02.01 | Bushmills | or a "user wants to run iptables as user" issue |
| 17:02.38 | PhoenixSTF | thnaks bush my bad |
| 17:02.40 | PhoenixSTF | :) |
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| 17:19.56 | geekboi | This doesn't seem right when doing apt-get dist-upgrade: |
| 17:20.04 | geekboi | The following packages will be REMOVED |
| 17:20.04 | geekboi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.29 | ompaul | geekboi: seems right to me, why would you keep things that will kill your new version of the world? |
| 17:20.43 | treebeen | what's an easy way to build a personal debian repo? |
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| 17:21.04 | geekboi | Full output of apt-get dist-upgrade is at - http://pastebin.com/8TXkdAR2 |
| 17:21.13 | ompaul | treebeen: go to #debian-mentors on oftc and learn the debian way |
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| 17:21.44 | cr3 | when I call echo "set foo bar" | sudo debconf-communicate, I get a message that foo doesn't exist. how can I make it exist? |
| 17:22.15 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Can anyone tell me what repositories i need to enable in stable apart from the main ? This is the first time i am using stable |
| 17:22.22 | geekboi | ompaul: There's no new kernel being installed though |
| 17:22.32 | ompaul | geekboi: and uname -a tells you what? |
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| 17:22.40 | ompaul | geekboi: right now this second |
| 17:22.45 | geekboi | Linux ajax 2.6.8-3-386 #1 Wed Dec 6 00:38:53 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:23.29 | cahoot | sh4d3sl4y3r_: depends on your needs - contrib and possibly non-free? |
| 17:23.38 | jelly-home | geekboi: whoa |
| 17:23.49 | ompaul | geekboi: you trying to go from sarge to squeeze? |
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| 17:23.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | cahoot, no. i am not talking about those.. like security-updates and stuff? |
| 17:24.04 | ompaul | geekboi: that won't work |
| 17:24.22 | jelly-home | geekboi: skipping releases is not supported, and you're 4-5 releases behing |
| 17:24.40 | ompaul | geekboi: ctrl C |
| 17:24.47 | ompaul | geekboi: fresh install for you |
| 17:24.52 | geekboi | I already told apt-get no |
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| 17:25.28 | geekboi | Ok. I'll take it up with the guy who actually owns the box. He asked me to take a look at it since he was rather confused as well |
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| 17:25.54 | jelly-home | geekboi: what's the output of dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 17:26.53 | ompaul | jelly-home: no matter what it ain't going to work not worth giving any effort to - fresh install and work out differences later |
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| 17:27.53 | jelly-home | ompaul: that's almost certainly the case |
| 17:27.56 | tonytraductor | same thing...hanging at select and install software. |
| 17:27.58 | rigved | hi. when i query sid to dpkg, it tells me that sid will never be released...does it literally mean that??? |
| 17:28.07 | jelly-home | rigved: that's correct. |
| 17:28.09 | Bushmills | !sid |
| 17:28.09 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 17:28.15 | tonytraductor | could it be a problem with the install media? |
| 17:28.17 | ompaul | tonytraductor: get a new cd |
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| 17:28.20 | ompaul | tonytraductor: hehe |
| 17:28.33 | jelly-home | rigved: sid = unstable, forever |
| 17:28.42 | tonytraductor | I'm not at home where I can burn another. |
| 17:28.49 | tonytraductor | only have my dell latitude with me with no optical drive |
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| 17:29.01 | tonytraductor | I also have a gnewsense cd and a peppermint os cd with me. |
| 17:29.05 | ompaul | rigved: literal is good - sid slides into testing (mostly) and testing (mostly) falls into stable some time |
| 17:29.10 | rigved | Bushmills: oh..ok...got it. it's not a codename for any release |
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| 17:29.44 | ompaul | tonytraductor: that gnewsense one won't help you much except it might let you get a new install done and burn a cd from that box |
| 17:29.46 | Bushmills | rigved: that is right, in the sense of sid not being a "release" |
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| 17:30.20 | rigved | Bushmills, ompaul: ok. thanks. :) |
| 17:30.31 | ompaul | rigved: np |
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| 17:34.47 | Chris___ | What's the command from terminal to bring up a device in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 17:34.59 | llutz | Chris___: ifup |
| 17:35.09 | Chris___ | ifup eth0 ? |
| 17:35.18 | Chris___ | or in my case, ifup hetunnel0 ? |
| 17:35.46 | rigved | so, wheezy is the toy penguin, where does the name lenny come from? |
| 17:36.06 | llutz | Chris___: yes, ifup <ifacename > |
| 17:36.49 | Chris___ | thank you llutz |
| 17:37.28 | gnugr | useful commands wireless internet connection: |
| 17:37.35 | gnugr | http://shibuvarkala.blogspot.com/2008/12/useful-wireless-connection-commands.html |
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| 17:37.43 | rigved | never mind, found the relevant webpage on the debian website |
| 17:37.43 | Arrowmaster | !lenny |
| 17:37.43 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-15 and superseded by Squeeze as of 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 . Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>, <lenny release notes>, <install lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.8>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 17:37.58 | Arrowmaster | damn i thought that factoid had it |
| 17:38.09 | rigved | Arrowmaster: :) |
| 17:38.20 | rigved | http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives |
| 17:38.26 | rigved | this one has it ^^ |
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| 17:49.49 | Wiward_X | buenas gente |
| 17:49.54 | Wiward_X | k tal? |
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| 17:50.58 | tobNoOne | Is there any good way to create a snapshot of a installation and create a usb disk to auto restore? |
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| 17:51.42 | jhutchins_lt | !pt |
| 17:51.42 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 17:52.22 | jhutchins_lt | tobNoOne: dd if=/dev/whatsit of=/dev/sd1 |
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| 17:53.25 | tobNoOne | jhutchins_lt: /dev/whatsit = USB? |
| 17:53.37 | tobNoOne | jhutchins_lt: and how to restore ? |
| 17:54.09 | Wiward_X | alguien pq me dice mi maquina que es muy perezosa k no puedo mover un archivo de 4.5 Gb me dice k es demasiado grande |
| 17:54.31 | Wiward_X | cuando lo intento pasar a un disco usb o a otro hdd |
| 17:54.51 | jhutchins_lt | tobNoOne: if=(input file) of=(output file) - though in this case, device rather than file. |
| 17:55.06 | jhutchins_lt | !es |
| 17:55.06 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 17:55.23 | tobNoOne | jhutchins_lt: Ah ok i did not know |
| 17:55.31 | Wiward_X | ok sorry |
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| 17:56.00 | jhutchins_lt | No problem, it's just that our technical spanish is collectively weak here. You're looking for an etch/4.5 archive? |
| 17:56.03 | jhutchins_lt | !etch |
| 17:56.03 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 17:56.13 | joe6 | are there command line alternatives to sprunge? something that can paste to pastebin or hpaste? |
| 17:56.21 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !sunday |
| 17:56.21 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 17:56.34 | jhutchins_lt | joe6: pastebinit |
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| 17:57.33 | jhutchins_lt | N'mind etch, I see that's the size of the archive. Dunno nwhat you want to do with it. |
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| 17:59.43 | joe6 | jhutchins_lt, that worked. Thanks. |
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| 18:25.55 | naphex | Is there a way on squeeze to remove the icons from the menus in gnome? /desktop/gnome/interface/menus_have_icons is already unchecked in gconf-editor |
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| 18:26.29 | naphex | but it appears it only hides a few icons in the "system" menu |
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| 18:35.37 | Mr_Queue | Does Debian have a chinese IRC channel anyone know of? |
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| 18:38.02 | rudi_s | !tell Mr_Queue about zh |
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| 18:40.06 | wap5 | Hi |
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| 18:41.10 | wap5 | is it possible to dualboot debian and netBSD using grub? i've read so, but I'd like to here some advices / personal experience... |
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| 18:42.16 | f8l | !tell Mr_Queue about zh |
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| 18:45.31 | khaije|metis | hi all |
| 18:45.35 | cusco__ | hi |
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| 18:45.37 | woonix | khaije|metis: hi |
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| 18:45.50 | Mr_Queue | rudi_s: f8l Thanks guys. I have a friend new to Debian who needs some assistance with chinese. |
| 18:46.01 | khaije|metis | is it possible to have module-assistant install modules for all kernel versions at once? |
| 18:46.02 | rudi_s | np |
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| 18:46.47 | owen1_ | i want to save on battery life when i am on the road. how to disable wireless from the terminal and how to re-enable it? |
| 18:47.14 | f8l | rudi_s: Oh, I didn't noticed you did it before me. Sorry. I guess I need to filter out all those "someone entered #debian" messages. |
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| 18:47.42 | rudi_s | np - yeah filtering JOINs is a good idea IMHO, especially for busy channels. |
| 18:47.49 | boota2 | Hello. I've got debian with NAT and like 10 users behind this nat. I want to install a system (preferably with web interface) which will tell me what sites users visited, how long and how much they downloaded there. |
| 18:47.58 | boota2 | I don't need to limit them, just stats. |
| 18:48.15 | rudi_s | owen1_: Depends on your computer. On my Eeepc it's fn-f2 to disable wlan. |
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| 18:48.23 | boota2 | I know, I can do it with iptables somehow, but I think there is something already. |
| 18:48.47 | cusco__ | boota2: I guess I would use squid |
| 18:48.59 | cusco__ | and parse or find some app that parses squid log files |
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| 18:49.19 | boota2 | cusco__: but I don't want to limit non-http traffic. |
| 18:49.34 | owen1_ | rudi_s: got it. i have thinkpad x61 |
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| 18:49.48 | woonix | boota2: squid transparent proxy and maybe a tool like this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/srg/ |
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| 18:50.47 | owen1_ | rudi_s: any idea about bluetooth? i don't use it. |
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| 18:51.36 | rudi_s | Good question. I'm not sure if it gets enabled if you don't use it. |
| 18:52.25 | cusco__ | boota2: what do you mean by limit? |
| 18:52.36 | rudi_s | owen1_: powertop might help to figure out what's draining power. |
| 18:52.51 | khaije|metis | owen1_: from terminal it's ... 'sudo ip link set <devicename> off|on' |
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| 18:54.57 | owen1_ | khaije|metis: devicename is wlan0 ? |
| 18:55.31 | khaije|metis | sounds right |
| 18:55.40 | owen1_ | ok. i'll try it |
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| 18:55.55 | khaije|metis | dont do it if you can't lose you connection at the moment |
| 18:57.09 | owen1_ | khaije|metis: what? |
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| 18:58.13 | khaije|metis | i'm just saying, dont type that in if you're doing anything that relys on yr wired network connection at the moment, because it would all get disconnected |
| 18:58.39 | owen1_ | khaije|metis: yeah |
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| 18:59.47 | owen1_ | khaije|metis: Error: either "dev" is duplicate, or "off" is a garbage. |
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| 19:02.19 | jhutchins_lt | owen1_: You'd have to use a proxy like squid. |
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| 19:03.13 | jhutchins_lt | owen1_: Although I suppose you could just have iptables log all port 80 traffic. |
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| 19:07.04 | owen1_ | jhutchins_lt: just to disable my wireless temparary? |
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| 19:12.29 | jhutchins_lt | ifconfig wlan0 down |
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| 19:19.29 | owen1_ | jhutchins_lt: ok. will give it a try |
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| 19:21.02 | pzn | I have a process that is being killed by oom-killer due to much memory. no way to add more RAM. does adding more swap memory helps to prevent this? |
| 19:21.13 | dvs | pzn: yes |
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| 19:22.43 | owen1_ | i think wicd keeps turning wlan0 up |
| 19:22.52 | cusco__ | turn wicd off |
| 19:22.53 | cusco__ | :p |
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| 19:23.52 | jhutchins_lt | owen1_: /etc/init.d/wicd stop |
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| 19:27.33 | BadGril-33 | http://www.erzurumoltutasi25.tr.gg/ |
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| 19:30.39 | jelly-home | yay, .tr spam |
| 19:31.36 | crissi | hello. i have problems with ntlm_auth on squeeze after upgrading from lenny. it gives: NT_STATUS_INVALID_HANDLE: Invalid handle (0xc0000008) |
| 19:31.39 | crissi | any hints how to fix? |
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| 19:32.04 | crissi | also, how i can get icedove 3.x for lenny? |
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| 19:33.21 | babilen | crissi: Any particular reason why you don't upgrade to squeeze? You'll get, among many other things, icedove 3.0. |
| 19:33.50 | crissi | yes. kde3 support isnt there. |
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| 19:34.21 | zophy | diamond tipped cat'o nine tails |
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| 19:34.32 | crissi | sure i know trinity |
| 19:34.36 | zophy | holsome |
| 19:34.41 | crissi | but that is not what i want. |
| 19:34.54 | crissi | kde4 is NOT ready. |
| 19:34.59 | crissi | its a 1.x |
| 19:34.59 | babilen | crissi: So you want to use lenny for the next 20 years? |
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| 19:35.30 | crissi | no, only if kde4 is ready and in same state as kde3 is (stability, features and speed) |
| 19:35.32 | zophy | i'll still be beta 20 years from now |
| 19:35.51 | babilen | crissi: Sorry :) -- You should check if icedove 3.0 is available in lenny-backports. Otherwise backport it yourself -- /msg dpkg ssb -- for the general technique. I would backport from squeeze |
| 19:35.53 | crissi | and: i'm not a troll. i just want to drop my stable system here. |
| 19:36.14 | crissi | i have kde4.x running on some other systems and it doesnt suprise me yet. |
| 19:36.30 | crissi | also, i'm running kde4 from git compiled and its same. |
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| 19:37.15 | pipeline | crissi: kde is a huge codebase... the trinity project is probably doomed. Not enough people to maintain something that huuuuuge, so few origina lcontributors involved. |
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| 19:38.31 | crissi | other question: when kde3 will be back in debian repo? it should ne be a problem to build packages for squeeze. this is no joke. i'm sure a lot of ppl are stuck on lenny because they want to keep kde3. |
| 19:39.05 | babilen | crissi: right now I would say: never |
| 19:39.11 | crissi | the old rules are still available and it should be possible to build for squeeze |
| 19:39.15 | crissi | :( |
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| 19:39.51 | crissi | now, next problem... whats about the ntlm_auth on upgraded system (now: squeeze)? |
| 19:40.02 | babilen | crissi: It's probably best to accept it or use one of the other desktop environments or window manager. |
| 19:40.09 | boota2 | How do I open symbolic link for edit? |
| 19:40.13 | babilen | crissi: what about it? |
| 19:40.15 | crissi | ntlm_auth gives: NT_STATUS_INVALID_HANDLE: Invalid handle (0xc0000008) |
| 19:40.18 | boota2 | With vim or something? |
| 19:40.48 | babilen | boota2: what do you mean? you want to edit the linked file with an editor? just "$EDITOR /path/to/the/link" |
| 19:41.04 | crissi | nobody which runs kde3 for several years productivly and knows kde4 good will switch to kde4. |
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| 19:41.10 | boota2 | babilen: as I know, symlinks are just files. |
| 19:41.18 | babilen | crissi: Check the BTS or google. I have not heard about this particular problem yet. |
| 19:41.21 | boota2 | I wanna open it to look, what's inside. |
| 19:41.32 | crissi | there is a bug entry |
| 19:42.03 | babilen | crissi: Well, read it and provide further information if you have it. :) |
| 19:42.28 | crissi | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=612049 |
| 19:42.42 | crissi | thats a very bad bug. |
| 19:43.16 | babilen | crissi: well, "severity: normal" |
| 19:43.19 | crissi | now my users cant use the internet with wireless ap because auth fails. |
| 19:43.39 | crissi | if i had now that before i dont have updated the server. |
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| 19:44.09 | crissi | really stable experience :( |
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| 19:44.30 | babilen | ,versions winbind |
| 19:44.31 | judd | Package winbind on i386 -- lenny: 2:3.2.5-4lenny13; lenny-security: 2:3.2.5-4lenny14; lenny-backports: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze2; squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze2; sid: 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1; wheezy: 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1 |
| 19:44.32 | lneely | is there something stopping you from rolling back to the last working version of winbind? |
| 19:44.45 | crissi | i cant back |
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| 19:44.55 | crissi | in squeeze only one |
| 19:45.09 | lneely | you're talking about in the repositories |
| 19:45.11 | mycae | Any hints on how to get "$?" into a makefile? it keeps substituting, and I can't seem to escape it. |
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| 19:45.22 | lneely | nothing is stopping you from getting an older deb package or the source tars |
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| 19:45.31 | mycae | as in sh -x "while [ $? -ne -0 ] ; do stuff ;done" |
| 19:45.41 | babilen | crissi: That bug has been tagged "fixed-upstream" -- I would expect it to be fixed in sid soon and backports for squeeze to be available. You might want to consider installing a newer version yourself. You could probbaly backport it or just install it to /usr/local for the time being. |
| 19:45.42 | crissi | 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze2 |
| 19:45.55 | crissi | hrr |
| 19:45.59 | crissi | that sucks. |
| 19:46.03 | crissi | really. |
| 19:46.20 | babilen | crissi: Also note that "stable" has nothing to do with being "rock solid" -- Debian typically is, but "stable" in the Debian sense means "not changing" |
| 19:46.29 | crissi | hahahaa |
| 19:46.39 | babilen | crissi: What's so funny about it? |
| 19:46.43 | babilen | !stable |
| 19:46.44 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 19:46.44 | lneely | huh. i actually didn't know that |
| 19:46.51 | lneely | cool. |
| 19:47.03 | crissi | if debian want stability then kde 4.6.x has been included and now the old crap 4.2.x |
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| 19:47.18 | crissi | kde3 was stable. |
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| 19:47.50 | crissi | releasing a new distro release with 4.2.x is a pain for users. |
| 19:48.06 | pipeline | crissi: maintaining kde3 is impossible because upstream is done with it |
| 19:48.22 | pipeline | crissi: maintaining an old version of kde4 sucks for everyone, but it is possible to do, and it's what policy dictates. |
| 19:48.33 | crissi | also, releasing broken winbind after a long test is also not surprising. |
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| 19:49.01 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 19:49.28 | crissi | i think debian should change its policy in this case. every kde4 update is better thsn the thing before |
| 19:49.40 | crissi | so nobody wants 4.2.x |
| 19:49.53 | lneely | i personally think kde4 sucks. so let's change debian policy to only include ratpoison. |
| 19:49.58 | crissi | its useless |
| 19:50.12 | lneely | ratpoison is stable at least. |
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| 19:50.52 | crissi | pipeline: its possible. nothing isnt possible. |
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| 19:51.02 | babilen | crissi: That bug has been filed one day before squeeze was released. There was hardly anything we could do about it. |
| 19:51.18 | crissi | ask the ppl outside. a lot of ppl dont like kde4 but love kde3 and stuck with it. |
| 19:51.27 | mycae | crissi: Install trinitydesktop.org 's rep, and be done with it. |
| 19:51.32 | mycae | *repo |
| 19:51.46 | Evil-Twin | is there a trick to getting gigabit speed in a single download? I can reach it with multiplr download threads but not with a single one |
| 19:51.55 | babilen | crissi: whining here does not help, you are aware of that. And *we* are also not KDE upstream and will hardly maintain it. |
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| 19:52.01 | crissi | babilen: when squeeze was released? if im right its a while ago. |
| 19:52.08 | eptalon | Evil-Twin: ? |
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| 19:52.15 | dvs | crissi: Feb 6 |
| 19:52.39 | crissi | babilen: i think the best is to push 4.6.x in next squeeze update. |
| 19:52.42 | babilen | crissi: Bug filed: 05.02.2011, Squeeze release: 06.02.2011 |
| 19:52.48 | crissi | that will help all. |
| 19:52.55 | eptalon | crissi: you could suggest the kde team (or someone sufficiently involved) build a kde4 package for debian? |
| 19:53.08 | crissi | current date: 27.03.2011 |
| 19:53.16 | babilen | crissi: It will *never* be in squeeze. It might be available from backports. Please read the "stable" description dpkg gave above. |
| 19:53.34 | crissi | as i told... 4.2.x is a joke. |
| 19:53.36 | crissi | now.. i have to go... |
| 19:53.37 | babilen | crissi: So? What has the current date to do with it? |
| 19:53.44 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 19:53.45 | crissi | to long no fix. |
| 19:53.52 | crissi | really bad. |
| 19:54.09 | eptalon | crissi: a version upgrade that's not security related is no fix |
| 19:54.13 | Evil-Twin | for example, i can do (27.3 MB/s) in 1 download, and if i do 4 of them all at that speed, around 1gbit total |
| 19:54.27 | Evil-Twin | but i cant get gigabit in 1 download |
| 19:54.49 | eptalon | Evil-Twin: 1 GBit= 125 MBytes |
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| 19:55.14 | eptalon | Evil-Twin: and downloads is not just your side, but the other side as well |
| 19:55.23 | Evil-Twin | i am both sides |
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| 19:55.46 | lneely | Evil-Twin, download speed isn't created in a vacuum. the server from which you are downloading probably has a cap of 27.3MB/s |
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| 19:55.55 | lneely | oh. |
| 19:55.56 | eptalon | Evil-Twin: if you use an ftp server, that might have a rate limit |
| 19:55.58 | lneely | nevermind Evil-Twin |
| 19:56.14 | Evil-Twin | it doesnt, because it can do 4 at once at 25MB each |
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| 19:56.21 | lneely | if it's LAN then what i said probably doesn't apply. |
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| 19:57.39 | Evil-Twin | there are no limits in software, tried ftp and http both the same |
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| 19:58.19 | eptalon | Evil-Twin: default setting of ftp server? |
| 19:58.20 | lneely | throttling on router maybe...?? just shooting in the dark. |
| 19:58.48 | Evil-Twin | i am looking at it being a buffer on debian or something |
| 19:59.18 | eptalon | you mean a local cache for debian packages for a network? |
| 19:59.44 | Evil-Twin | tcp buffer |
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| 20:11.18 | crum | Is this a correct usage of a colon? Concerning the statement in the last letter she wrote: For each instance of a bank transaction, where that instance was made by Pam, identify the amount of money transfered. |
| 20:12.44 | Evil-Twin | i would use made by Pam; identify |
| 20:13.06 | eptalon | Evil-Twin: doesn't look too debian-related |
| 20:18.56 | mycae | which package do I need to update to get the new GPG keys for the mirrors.. THere was a key change back in january/feb IIRC... |
| 20:19.38 | babilen | mycae: debian-archive-keyring |
| 20:19.46 | mycae | cheers |
| 20:19.56 | mycae | was having trouble with searching |
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| 20:29.09 | giovinet | !list |
| 20:29.09 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
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| 20:33.07 | Arch_ | Would gnome3 be replacing the gnome 2.30 package? Or would there be a separate gnome3 package? Any estimations on if it will show up in wheezy soon after release? :P |
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| 20:34.37 | babilen | Arch_: Probably, it is currently in experimental (2.30 that is, unsurprisingly) as "gnome3-session" |
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| 20:36.04 | Arch_ | babilen: Cool :D |
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| 20:41.05 | AbuDhabi | For some reason, it seems that my Squeeze can only manage one program making sound. I can't successfully use youtube/teamspeak/dwarf fortress together - only the first one gets sound privileges, it seems. |
| 20:41.13 | AbuDhabi | Any idea why this is and how I can fix it? |
| 20:41.46 | Arch_ | AbuDhabi: Are you using OSS or ALSA? |
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| 20:42.19 | AbuDhabi | I'm not sure. I used ALSA on Lenny. How do I check? |
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| 20:43.12 | Arch_ | AbuDhabi: Are you using gnome? |
| 20:43.27 | AbuDhabi | Yes. |
| 20:43.35 | Arrowmaster | ive been told that alsa is supposed to detect when theres no hardware mixer and enable dmix automatically but it wasnt the case for me so i had to configure it to use dmix |
| 20:44.13 | Arch_ | AbuDhabi: Click the volume button and click volume control |
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| 20:45.03 | AbuDhabi | Arch_: RClicking the volume button gets me Sound Preferences. This it? |
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| 20:45.24 | Arch_ | AbuDhabi: Same thing I think :P They both have the device menu |
| 20:45.35 | Arch_ | AbuDhabi: What does the selected device say? |
| 20:46.13 | AbuDhabi | Internal Audio, 1 Output / 1 Input, Analog Stereo Duplex. |
| 20:46.44 | iankp | Is there a way to get column view in the file manager? |
| 20:47.12 | Arch_ | AbuDhabi: Do they show like (Alsa Mixer) (OSS Mixer) next to them? |
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| 20:47.58 | AbuDhabi | Arch_: http://i52.tinypic.com/2vbwqva.jpg |
| 20:48.46 | Arch_ | AbuDhabi: Hmm, that looks completely different from mine |
| 20:48.52 | treebeen | hmm, how do I create a keyring file like it's usually in other repos? |
| 20:49.19 | treebeen | like the debian-multimedia-keyring? |
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| 20:50.12 | Arch_ | AbuDhabi: What's under "Output"? |
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| 20:50.39 | AbuDhabi | Arch_: http://i54.tinypic.com/256vfad.jpg |
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| 20:51.18 | jhutchins_lt | I can never remember whether to use useradd or adduser. |
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| 20:51.46 | AbuDhabi | Checking the package manager, I have ALSA installed. |
| 20:52.05 | Arch_ | AbuDhabi: Are there any other sound menus you can find? |
| 20:52.27 | mutante | jhutchins_lt: "add" comes first = more automatic |
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| 20:53.05 | AbuDhabi | Arch_: No, but I can try installing Volume Control. |
| 20:53.15 | AbuDhabi | I think. |
| 20:53.24 | Arch_ | AbuDhabi: Ah, maybe that's what I was looking at :P |
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| 20:53.31 | AbuDhabi | "p volumecontrol.app - Audio mixer for GNUstep" <- This it? |
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| 20:53.57 | Arch_ | AbuDhabi: I don't think so |
| 20:54.29 | mutante | useradd says that on Debian administrators should use adduser |
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| 20:56.13 | Arch_ | AbuDhabi: Right click on the panel, add to panel. Find the volume one |
| 20:56.35 | Arch_ | AbuDhabi: See if it's different or the same thing that you're using |
| 20:56.51 | Arrowmaster | !alsactl |
| 20:56.52 | dpkg | In Squeeze and later releases, <alsaconf> is not available; ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. You can try to configure <ALSA> by running 'alsactl init' as root - ignoring the 'Unknown hardware' error message - then reboot and test your audio device. |
| 20:57.00 | Arrowmaster | AbuDhabi: try that ^^ |
| 20:57.07 | Arrowmaster | its a long shot but it might work |
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| 20:57.55 | Arrowmaster | if not then youll need to create a ~/.asoundrc that tells alsa to use dmix |
| 20:58.37 | AbuDhabi | Arrowmaster: Okay. |
| 20:58.45 | AbuDhabi | Arch_: Thanks for trying to help. |
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| 20:59.33 | Arch_ | :) |
| 21:00.07 | Arrowmaster | AbuDhabi: if running 'alsactl init' as root does fix it then tell me so i can know if i still need my ~/.asoundrc |
| 21:01.09 | AbuDhabi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:02.09 | mutante | so is it just that you think Audio might be working but the mixers are down to 0%? |
| 21:02.19 | mutante | remembers "arrrr.. audio does not work".. check ..check ..check.. google.. finally it was just the mixers being down.. and i needed "aumix -v100" every time after boot |
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| 21:03.42 | Arrowmaster | no he said the problem was only one program was outputing sound at a time |
| 21:04.12 | Arrowmaster | which is a no hardware mixer and alsa not using dmix problem |
| 21:04.37 | jhutchins_lt | Arrowmaster: I hate to say it, but that's one of the problems that pulseaudio can sometimes fix. |
| 21:05.37 | Arrowmaster | jhutchins_lt: yeah right up to the point you run a program that doesnt know about pulseaudio and then steals the audio device from pulseaudio |
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| 21:09.47 | AbuDhabi | Arrowmaster: Teamspeak and DF seem to work together now, but youtube still doesn't get a peep in. |
| 21:09.55 | AbuDhabi | What was the next step in this? |
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| 21:12.50 | repzilon | I have a process substitution bashism I would like to remove and do not know how. Someone can help? |
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| 21:16.22 | otro_viajero7 | is there a way to check if a downloaded cd is official, without using the md5 checksum? |
| 21:16.54 | babilen | otro_viajero7: gpg? |
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| 21:18.59 | otro_viajero7 | how can I apply that test? |
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| 21:21.00 | Arrowmaster | AbuDhabi: something like this http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Asoundrc#dmix |
| 21:21.09 | Arrowmaster | i dont know of a simple way to configure it |
| 21:21.48 | daemonkeeper | Images aren't signed, the signatures are. |
| 21:21.53 | daemonkeeper | So GPG won't help |
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| 21:22.02 | daemonkeeper | You have the choice between MD5 and SHA256 |
| 21:22.27 | daemonkeeper | Ehrm, the checksums are signed I mean |
| 21:22.43 | FareWell | help! mentors.debian.net seems to have recently started refusing my gpg key |
| 21:23.07 | daemonkeeper | Fare: Maybe ask in in #debian-mentors. |
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| 21:23.11 | daemonkeeper | On OFTC |
| 21:23.12 | Fare | daemonkeeper, thanks |
| 21:23.35 | repzilon | I have a process substitution bashism I would like to remove and do not know how. Someone can help? |
| 21:23.48 | emerson_ | I updated my system but now my mouse works but I can't see it ..is just invisible |
| 21:24.05 | emerson_ | anyone can help me out... |
| 21:24.14 | Fare | repzilon, what is it like? |
| 21:24.37 | jhutchins_lt | repzilon: It's possible no-one is answering because no-one has a clue wtf you're talking about. Try asking the question differently. |
| 21:25.02 | Fare | no one can help until we know specifics |
| 21:26.03 | emerson_ | I updated my system but now my mouse works but I can't see it .... I try to solve the problem but I couldn't |
| 21:26.35 | jhutchins_lt | !rules |
| 21:26.36 | dpkg | 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 10 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. 6) #debian supports only Debian (see <based on debian>) |
| 21:26.38 | repzilon | Fare: it has the following form, while read -r rop_line;do #parse the line; done < <(BashFunctionInSameScript) |
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| 21:26.57 | Tordek | hi |
| 21:26.58 | Fare | what does <(...) do ? |
| 21:26.59 | emerson_ | how to put my mouse visible again ? |
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| 21:27.20 | Tordek | I got a 4k-sector disk; how do I make sure debian does the right thing? |
| 21:27.21 | jhutchins_lt | emerson_: It would help if you told us something about the release you're running, the hardware it's on, what kind of mouse, what video card, what driver, what desktop, etc. |
| 21:27.30 | Fare | why not just _function_ | while read ... |
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| 21:27.48 | repzilon | Fare: That IS the process substitution bashism I am trying to replace |
| 21:27.49 | emerson_ | jhutchins_lt: squeeze... |
| 21:28.41 | Arrowmaster | Tordek: debian squeeze will do the right thing |
| 21:29.02 | emerson_ | jhutchins_lt: is quite funny actually imagine a invisible mouse ...I would live like that ..but is not handy let's say :) |
| 21:29.22 | Tordek | ok, different question: how do I see if it has done the right thing? |
| 21:29.43 | jhutchins_lt | Six questions, one answer... |
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| 21:31.04 | Fare | repzilon, once again, what's wrong with a regular pipe? |
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| 21:31.34 | Fare | and say, playing with 1<&3 and such redirections |
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| 21:32.07 | repzilon | Fare: it would spawn a sub-shell and I will lose the values I set in variables in the loop body |
| 21:32.35 | emerson_ | I try to solve it looking at mouse configuration but it didn't work ... |
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| 21:32.44 | Thermi | gn8 |
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| 21:33.50 | Fare | do everything in the subshell, then |
| 21:34.27 | Fare | _foo_ | { while ... done ; continuation } |
| 21:34.58 | Bert_2 | Hi, I'm making a network storage device that will be using RAID10 to combine 4 2TB disks into one 4TB storage space, now I need to decide what is the best option: software raid, built-in hardware raid (atom chipset) or a cheap seperate hardware raid card, what are your thoughts ? |
| 21:35.15 | Fare | emerson: sounds like you need to disable some optimization for your mouse cursor in your xorg.conf |
| 21:35.34 | emerson_ | Fare: yeah but how ... |
| 21:35.54 | Fare | identify which video driver you're using, then man $drivername |
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| 21:37.17 | emerson_ | is very weird a mouse that works but I can't see it ... |
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| 21:39.03 | emerson_ | Fare: I went to system>preferences>mouse and try to fixed but I couldn't find the solution.... |
| 21:40.10 | Fare | man nvidia ; emacs /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 21:41.30 | Fare | Option "HWCursor" "off" in the Driver section |
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| 21:44.31 | emerson_ | my mouse is invisible how can I solve this problema...it works but is invisible..... |
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| 22:16.38 | repzilon | Fare: does the 1<&3 trick POSIX compliant? I tried the sub-shell approach, and instead of outputting results as processing goes, I get all results in one big gulp when a processing is done (several minutes) |
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| 22:18.09 | Tordek | hi |
| 22:18.25 | Fare | repzilon, I dunno about the buffering at stake, sorry. |
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| 22:19.19 | emerson | I've done an update and now my mouse is invisible I searched it at google and realised that I'm not the only one which has the same problem, but I don't know how to solve it ... |
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| 22:19.37 | dj-death | hi guys |
| 22:19.38 | Tordek | I'm getting errors trying to mount stuff as a normal user; I get "org.freedesktop...Volume.PermissionDenied: refusing to mount device for uid=1000" |
| 22:19.41 | emerson | my update manger doesn't work know as well... |
| 22:19.48 | Tordek | I'm in the plugdev group |
| 22:19.49 | emerson | now I mean... |
| 22:20.01 | dj-death | is it possible to propose a package update without being debian dev ? |
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| 22:21.25 | emerson | ? |
| 22:22.03 | eptalon | dj-death: there are non-maintainer uploads (mainly for security), there are requests for package, what do you mean? |
| 22:22.49 | eptalon | dj-death: please be more specific |
| 22:22.52 | dj-death | eptalon: I'm looking for the procedure to follow |
| 22:23.08 | eptalon | dj-death: what do you want to do? |
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| 22:23.56 | dj-death | eptalon: I'm having a crash with gstreamer, the bug is fixed upstream, so I modified the package to include the patch + changelog update + package generation |
| 22:24.02 | dj-death | eptalon: now what do I do ? |
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| 22:25.06 | eptalon | dj-death: you contact the package maintainer |
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| 22:25.39 | eptalon | dj-death: and if there's no response, within reaosnable time, you do a non-maintainer upload |
| 22:26.20 | dj-death | eptalon: ok |
| 22:26.42 | dj-death | eptalon: the bug reporting the problem has been opened, ~20 days ago |
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| 22:26.59 | eptalon | dj-death: http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/pkgs.html#nmu |
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| 22:27.41 | dj-death | eptalon: thank you |
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| 22:35.00 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 22:36.58 | Azrael_- | got a problem: if i add an interface to a bridge the mac-adress of the bridge is automatically changed to "fe:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff". if i remove the interface the mac-adress is changed to "00:00:00:00:00:00" |
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| 22:47.32 | garbagegod | what does debian use instead of dhcpcd? |
| 22:48.10 | AVRS | Hi. |
| 22:48.49 | Black_Prince | garbagegod isc-dhcp-server and isc-dhcp-client |
| 22:48.53 | AVRS | Suppose this image includes a Debian logo: http://tm.patent.su/400000-400999/tm/servl/servlete1dc.html |
| 22:49.02 | garbagegod | ah |
| 22:49.12 | garbagegod | so isc-dhcp-client eth0? |
| 22:49.29 | Black_Prince | dhclient eth0 |
| 22:49.33 | AVRS | If that was a Debian logo used under that license: http://www.debian.org/logos/index.en.html#open-use , would it be a violation of that license? |
| 22:49.33 | Black_Prince | those are packages name |
| 22:50.20 | garbagegod | cool |
| 22:50.40 | garbagegod | so arch vs debian? |
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| 22:50.45 | garbagegod | incoming shitstorm |
| 22:50.54 | babilen | AVRS: IANAL but I would say, yes it is a violation. |
| 22:50.57 | AVRS | Does anyone know a discussion of that logo license? |
| 22:51.00 | Black_Prince | Never used arch ... |
| 22:51.16 | babilen | AVRS: You might want to discuss it on the debian-legal ML |
| 22:51.46 | babilen | garbagegod: What is there to discuss? Use whatever you are happy with. |
| 22:51.59 | AVRS | babilen: yeah, I think I might find a previous discussion there, but it will take some time |
| 22:52.02 | garbagegod | wow debian users are so much more chill than arch users |
| 22:52.05 | garbagegod | lol |
| 22:53.19 | AVRS | babilen: OTOH, according to a few messages some people there don't really care about copyright on the open use logo, and it might be easy to accidentally reproduce it using Adobe Illustrator |
| 22:53.27 | AVRS | (almost, at least) |
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| 22:55.23 | babilen | AVRS: I can't give you any official statement from the project. The logo looks identical and it seems to be a violation. Bring it up with debian-legal if you want a definite answer. Can't tell you if they are very interested and I doubt that a lawsuit will be filed. |
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| 22:55.52 | babilen | *shrug* |
| 22:55.56 | mcl0vin | so guys i ve been searching high and low to see why i can't ping f0/0 in RouterD can someone please assist me...this is driving me crazy http://www.screencast.com/users/i3igmind/folders/Jing/media/5b414831-3711-4e15-807f-7610ea8ce8b9 |
| 22:56.19 | AVRS | babilen: ok, thanks |
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| 22:56.53 | babilen | So, I'm off. Have a nice adjust_timezone(night) ! |
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| 23:46.04 | k1ng | good night people |
| 23:46.17 | LoRez | k1ng: don't /amsg |
| 23:46.27 | k1ng | sorry |
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| 23:47.12 | zerotofu | hi |
| 23:48.19 | zerotofu | how can I execute a script everytime I plug in a certain device (ie with a vendor ID and product ID) |
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