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| 00:04.45 | kurtis | I think I know what's going on! And this probably isn't good. I accidentally chowned my whole var directory to the www-data user :( |
| 00:04.50 | kurtis | I have no idea how to fix that (who to chown what to) |
| 00:05.13 | abrotman | backups? |
| 00:05.38 | kurtis | :( Fresh server. And remotely hosted at that |
| 00:05.45 | kurtis | that sucks .... haha |
| 00:06.17 | ranix | done that before |
| 00:06.29 | kurtis | man |
| 00:06.34 | kurtis | How did you fix it? Just wiped it clean? |
| 00:06.47 | kurtis | I don't even know what folder needs to be owned by what in the var directory |
| 00:06.51 | ranix | I got lucky, it was in /home/, I did a chown -R on .* and hit ../ |
| 00:07.06 | ranix | so I could chown back to the name of the owner with minimal permission loss |
| 00:07.14 | kurtis | ahh nice! |
| 00:07.45 | ranix | if it was a fresh machine you could try installing a machine locally and setting the permissions on your remote machine using the local one as a reference |
| 00:07.53 | ranix | like a vm for example |
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| 00:08.10 | ranix | there shouldn't be that much in /var/ except logs |
| 00:08.15 | kurtis | True! I do have the same version of debian on two boxes that are fairly fresh |
| 00:08.19 | ranix | and they'll get rotated out eventually |
| 00:08.22 | kurtis | that's a good idea |
| 00:08.25 | kurtis | thank you :) |
| 00:08.28 | ranix | np |
| 00:08.41 | kurtis | My first sign was MySQL not working ... my second sign is sftp not working |
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| 00:14.33 | murielgodoi | how to set new cflags when trying a dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 00:14.53 | manateeUser | Good morning, all! :) |
| 00:15.05 | wobblyonions | hiya |
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| 00:18.26 | wobblyonions | guys, using the Debian ISCSI intiator I am able to connect to the Debain server from a Windows 7 using the built in Windows 7 ISCSI initiator but not seeing any drives or anything, has anyone used this type of thing at all? |
| 00:20.50 | owen1 | i use sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata to change the clock. it changing it but it's not accurate. how to sync it with the reald pacific time? |
| 00:23.08 | Bartzy | Hi - Is it better to remove multiple files at once with rm, or to execute many rm's ? |
| 00:23.19 | Bartzy | Or - How do I delete many files at once ? |
| 00:23.29 | ranix | xargs rm for more files than rm can handle |
| 00:23.41 | Bartzy | how much files rm can handle ? |
| 00:24.10 | abrotman | Bartzy: how many files are you talking? |
| 00:24.24 | Bartzy | abrotman: thousands... 20,000 |
| 00:24.34 | manateeUser | Bartzy: Have some pattern? |
| 00:24.46 | Bartzy | glob ? no |
| 00:24.48 | manateeUser | Bartzy: Example, foo001, foo002, foo003 |
| 00:24.51 | Bartzy | md5 filenames |
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| 00:25.31 | manateeUser | Bartzy: Maybe use some regexp match those md5 files. |
| 00:25.42 | manateeUser | Then delete match |
| 00:25.43 | treebeen | hmm, wow, debian boots so much faster if you only install pure base without system utils and then the DE |
| 00:26.09 | Bartzy | manateeUser: Can't regex. I just have the filenames to delete |
| 00:26.10 | ranix | Bartzy: rm as far as I know can handle as many arguments as defined in binfmts.h for MAX_ARG_PAGES when your kernel was compiled |
| 00:26.34 | ranix | Bartzy: if you'll be destroying 20,000 files consider using find or xargs |
| 00:27.02 | Bartzy | is it better to do rm file1.jpg file2.jpg .... or many rm ? |
| 00:27.09 | Bartzy | why xargs ? I'm not finding anything |
| 00:27.15 | manateeUser | Bartzy: rm file.* |
| 00:27.25 | Bartzy | no, it's md5 hashes |
| 00:27.30 | Bartzy | not really file1 file2 |
| 00:27.36 | ranix | it's better to do rm foo bar harbl than echo foo bar harbl | xargs rm because it's more readable and less fragile |
| 00:27.50 | ranix | but that's only fsvo better |
| 00:27.55 | murielgodoi | Hi all, How to set new cflags when trying a dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 00:27.58 | manateeUser | Bartzy: You need use regexp match, i can't find other fast way. |
| 00:28.06 | manateeUser | Bartzy: Or like ranix said. |
| 00:28.08 | Bartzy | ranix: But you said that rm can only handle finite number of arguments |
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| 00:28.23 | Bartzy | ranix: and xargs (rm per file) is slower ? |
| 00:28.27 | ranix | yes sometimes answers require interpretation |
| 00:28.46 | Bartzy | ranix: Also, what's that MAX_ARG_PAGES by default ? |
| 00:29.37 | ranix | I have a vague memory of 32 but don't quote me on that |
| 00:29.49 | ranix | that's 32 4kb pages. May have become 64 or something now |
| 00:30.50 | Bartzy | so that's many hundreds of thousands of filenames ... :| |
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| 00:30.57 | Bartzy | thanks |
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| 00:32.17 | ranix | 254 bytes per filename maximum so the theoretical default minimum maximum (woo) would be (32*4096)/254 |
| 00:32.32 | ranix | but don't quote me on that and my math may be wrong |
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| 00:34.10 | wobblyonions | guys, using the Debian ISCSI intiator I am able to connect to the Debain server from a Windows 7 using the built in Windows 7 ISCSI initiator but not seeing any drives or anything, has anyone used this type of thing at all? |
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| 00:34.56 | pipeline | wobblyonions: iscsi compatibility isn't very much fun. The search term that will be most helpful to you is "microsoft initiator" or "microsoft iscsi initiator" not "windows 7 initiator" or whatever |
| 00:35.40 | pipeline | wobblyonions: incidentally file-sharing is usually much more convenient than iscsi... unless you have specialized hardware, or you intend to use the windows 7 system to re-export the data as fileshares, I would recommend using samba in preference to iscsi |
| 00:35.48 | wobblyonions | the question is not a windows one but more a question as to if anyone has got this working at all, I cant add the drive under another Debian install either - forgot to mention that granted |
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| 00:36.25 | wobblyonions | pipeline - we are looking to use the ISCSI as a temporary SAN while we fix our current SAN hense the requirement for ISCSI etc |
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| 00:37.21 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Whenever I am playing a music in Rhythmbox or Totem there is no sound and it reports "jack server is not running or cannot be started" .. Is there a way i can stop apps from using JACK? |
| 00:38.02 | pipeline | sh4d3sl4y3r_: gstreamer applications (such as rhythmbox and totem) will happily ignore your normal sound output choices. Run gstreamer-properties to set the default outputs for gstreamer specifically. |
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| 00:38.29 | pipeline | sh4d3sl4y3r_: if you don't know what you want, you probably want either direct ALSA output, or pulseaudio. |
| 00:39.06 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | pipeline, i would like to use ALSA ...the problem is gstreamer-properties is not listing alsa though i have it installed |
| 00:40.26 | pipeline | sh4d3sl4y3r_: you are probably missing the relevant gstreamer library. apt-cache search gstreamer0.10 | grep -i alsa |
| 00:41.16 | pipeline | wobblyonions: windows 7 doesn't support e.g. MSCS, so there is no conceivable "requirement" for a SAN with that client OS. There are obviously many things going on here that I don't know about :P |
| 00:41.28 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | pipeline, thanks mate |
| 00:42.36 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | pipeline, its working. thanks.. got lxde installed instead of gnome. so configuring everything manually |
| 00:43.41 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !oss |
| 00:43.42 | dpkg | i guess oss is an acronym for Open Source Software, coined by Vinod Valloppillil in the first <Halloween> document. Also an acronym for Open Sound System, ask me about <oss4>; for OSS compatiblity in <ALSA>, see <aoss>, <devdsp>. |
| 00:44.13 | wobblyonions | using Windows 7 was only a test to see if the idea works in principal the actual system using the storage will be vmware which needs either a NFS or an ISCSI share for storage |
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| 00:46.32 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | is it possible to use multichannel surround with OSS? |
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| 00:47.07 | pipeline | sh4d3sl4y3r_: with OSSv4? yeah probably. With ALSA's OSS compatibility? I have no idea |
| 00:47.22 | pipeline | wobblyonions: STOP. |
| 00:47.27 | pipeline | wobblyonions: USE NFS. |
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| 00:47.41 | pipeline | wobblyonions: Do not attempt to use VMware with an unsupported iscsi target. That is a world of pain and heartbreak. |
| 00:47.42 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | pipeline, hmm, been looking for since a long time. enjoy the clarity of OSS over ALSA |
| 00:47.56 | wobblyonions | ok so you rate best thing is to go for an NFS share then yeah |
| 00:48.08 | pipeline | sh4d3sl4y3r_: OSSv4 is fully free and open source. Added bonus: it is now packaged by debian, so it's trivial to |
| 00:48.14 | wobblyonions | forget the ISCSI idea totally then and move to NFS Shared disk |
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| 00:48.48 | pipeline | wobblyonions: iSCSI initiator/target compatibility is dicey on your best day. The Microsoft iSCSI initiator is a well-behaved and friendly beast. The VMware initiator is a dominatrix. Don't bother trying unless you know 100% that your target is on the HCL, and you have many, many, many hours to burn on getting it to work. |
| 00:49.10 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | pipeline, I know. have used it on lenny. But could'nt get multichannel audio working with it |
| 00:49.14 | pipeline | wobblyonions: On the other hand, Linux NFS as host to VMware datastore is very well-tested and fully supported by VMware |
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| 00:49.27 | wobblyonions | ok then great will look into the NFS side of things then |
| 00:49.39 | wobblyonions | pipeline - mind if I talk to you directly? |
| 00:49.43 | pipeline | wobblyonions: I'm not saying that VMware sucks on iSCSI, I'm just saying that unsupported configurations are a pain in the ass. If you're willing to experiment with scst, go for it. |
| 00:49.45 | wobblyonions | ie pvt |
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| 00:49.52 | pipeline | wobblyonions: sure |
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| 00:53.42 | Resilience | hello to everyone |
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| 00:55.58 | Resilience | I'm tryng to make a usb memory bar with a bootable copy of the first debian cd installation disk, and I'm doing as in https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Install_from_a_USB_flash_drive, but syslinux says "syslinux: this doesn't look like a valid FAT filesyste", what the hell am I doing wrong? |
| 00:56.17 | abrotman | why? |
| 00:56.24 | abrotman | why would arch instructions apply to Debian ? |
| 00:56.25 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 00:56.26 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 00:58.48 | Resilience | abrotman, because the debian installation guide is plainly worn maybe? if you try to follow that guide yo end up with a non bootable usb memory bar |
| 00:59.02 | abrotman | when is the last time you tried? |
| 00:59.21 | Resilience | abrotman, tonight, 24 hours ago |
| 00:59.42 | abrotman | works fine for tons of people .. including myself |
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| 01:01.45 | Resilience | abrotman, not for me, in fact it does not work when tryig to apply the "4.3.1. Preparing a USB stick using a hybrid CD or DVD image" point, it produces a on-bootble memory bar |
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| 01:03.07 | abrotman | Resilience: i typically use the netinst .. and that's worked well in multiple cases on different hardware |
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| 01:04.02 | Resilience | abrotman you only have to cfdisk the bar, making fat16 partition and making zcat? that's all you have to do? really? (if you say yes I will try it right now) |
| 01:05.00 | abrotman | in 4.3.1 ? it doesn't say anything about making a partition ? |
| 01:05.18 | ranix | follow the instructions line by line dude |
| 01:05.18 | abrotman | and in reality .. it won't matter, the iso will overwrite it |
| 01:05.49 | ranix | when you build ikea furniture do you do step 1 and then steps 8 and 9 because you know everything in between |
| 01:06.10 | ranix | you'd wind up with a coffee table that looks like abstract art |
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| 01:06.48 | Resilience | abrotman, well, I'm trying it again, and let's see what are the results (I'll be back in a few minutes) |
| 01:07.11 | Resilience | ranix, I don't build ikea furniture, I think is ugly and expensive |
| 01:07.42 | ranix | woosh |
| 01:10.18 | Resilience | abrotman, I'm doing zcat image.iso > /dev/sd[x] with sd[x] mounted, is that right? or don't? |
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| 01:10.47 | abrotman | wrong |
| 01:10.52 | abrotman | shouldn't be mounted |
| 01:11.45 | ranix | the next line of the instruction is "After that, mount the USB memory stick" |
| 01:11.52 | Resilience | cat: write error: No space left on device |
| 01:11.57 | Resilience | well |
| 01:12.05 | Resilience | not mounted, not accesible, catch22? |
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| 01:14.19 | Resilience | do I really don't need to mount /dev/sdb? them how is it supossed the kernel to be accesing the device? |
| 01:14.28 | Resilience | I really don't understand anything |
| 01:15.11 | ranix | /dev/sdb is a device, it represents the whole flash drive |
| 01:15.28 | ranix | /dev/sdb1 is a device, it represents the first partition on the flash drive |
| 01:15.31 | ranix | does that help at all? |
| 01:15.38 | Resilience | ranix, I know... |
| 01:15.52 | ranix | I recommend not using the iso image, and using the image instead as suggested in http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 |
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| 01:16.13 | ranix | the only reason to use the image is if your system is physically incapable of booting from a usb device and you need to use the iso faker thing |
| 01:16.40 | ranix | or just burn a cd or debootstrap or pxe from an existing system |
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| 01:17.22 | Resilience | ranix, in that link. to waht point exactly do you refer? |
| 01:17.41 | ranix | if you got no space left on device it probably means your iso image is bigger than the thumb drive or your drive is write protected |
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| 01:18.52 | Resilience | ranix, my device is 1Gb, the image is a cd image, somebody told me tht the memory bar should not be mounted.. so I unmounted it, nd s a result, my debina box ws unable to cat nything to the partition (sdb1) or the device |
| 01:18.59 | Resilience | (sdb) |
| 01:19.13 | Resilience | so I am asking how should I do that |
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| 01:19.34 | Resilience | becuase if I follow the instructions. well, they re confuing, and you can't reproduce anything |
| 01:19.49 | Resilience | or at lest, I am unable to reproduce anything |
| 01:20.05 | dvs | Resilience: you have an ISO image for Debian 6.0? |
| 01:20.56 | abrotman | Resilience: you have the netinst or CD1 ? |
| 01:20.57 | Resilience | dserban__, yes, I have, downloaded just 24 hours go from an official repository, and I have an usb memory bar of 1 Gb |
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| 01:21.03 | Resilience | abrotman, cd1 |
| 01:21.15 | abrotman | Resilience: okay .. do you care about the data on the memory stick? |
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| 01:21.25 | Resilience | dvs, , yes, I have, downloaded just 24 hours go from an official repository, and I have an usb memory bar of 1 Gb |
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| 01:22.01 | Resilience | abrotman, o, I don't care (in fact it is blank right now) (but it would be pretty to be ble to mke it in some partition) |
| 01:22.17 | abrotman | Resilience: which device is it in the system ? |
| 01:22.46 | Resilience | abrotman, when I plug it into the system is /dev/sdb, do I plug it? |
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| 01:22.59 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:23.05 | abrotman | it has to be plugged in to write to it |
| 01:23.24 | dvs | uses a pen |
| 01:23.59 | abrotman | Resilience: however, it should *not* be mounted |
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| 01:24.09 | Resilience | abrotman, it is plug, but becuase I aborted before the cat commadn it mounts anything |
| 01:25.01 | Resilience | abrotman, right [16324.338959] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk |
| 01:25.02 | abrotman | eh what? |
| 01:25.09 | abrotman | okay |
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| 01:25.39 | abrotman | so really .. you just cat foo.iso > /dev/sdb |
| 01:26.37 | abrotman | then 'sync' .. wait, unplug |
| 01:27.03 | Resilience | abrotman, doing it, now we'll have to wait some minutes. |
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| 01:27.13 | abrotman | next time, use the netinst .. way smaller |
| 01:27.25 | Resilience | abrotman, ok, after syncing, I suposse it must work, right? |
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| 01:27.34 | abrotman | must? |
| 01:27.38 | abrotman | should |
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| 01:29.04 | Resilience | abrotman, let's wait (and by the way, if I would like to not erase the usb pen, could I instll the iso image in let's say /dev/sdb1? or couldn't?) |
| 01:29.27 | abrotman | no |
| 01:29.35 | abrotman | ranix already explained that to you |
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| 01:30.57 | Resilience | abrotman, he did not explain anything, he said things, to say != to explain |
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| 01:31.23 | Resilience | syncing |
| 01:31.26 | Resilience | waiting |
| 01:31.37 | dvs | dancing |
| 01:31.48 | Resilience | :D |
| 01:32.09 | Resilience | stop waiting (I supossed, lights are quiet in the usb pen) |
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| 01:32.15 | Resilience | unplugging |
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| 01:32.34 | dvs | rebooting? |
| 01:32.49 | Resilience | nope plugging to the new computer |
| 01:32.54 | dvs | ah |
| 01:32.59 | Resilience | will be online al the time |
| 01:33.08 | dvs | runs |
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| 01:33.13 | Resilience | it makes easier for anybody I hope |
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| 01:34.11 | Resilience | assuring bios boots from usb |
| 01:34.15 | Resilience | ah |
| 01:34.18 | Resilience | and it boots |
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| 01:34.27 | dvs | rejoicing |
| 01:34.29 | laurus | How do I boot with kernel parameters? |
| 01:35.49 | Resilience | abrotman, dvs, ranix thank you |
| 01:36.01 | dvs | laurus: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub |
| 01:36.05 | dvs | np |
| 01:36.22 | laurus | dvs ah, thanks! |
| 01:36.26 | dvs | np |
| 01:36.36 | dvs | then update-grub |
| 01:36.36 | laurus | I'm trying to fix the "Rescheduling interrupts" thing. |
| 01:37.11 | laurus | Going to try this, BRB. |
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| 01:38.20 | abrotman | wtf was that .. |
| 01:38.28 | dvs | what? |
| 01:38.32 | Resilience | abrotman, dvs, ranix thank you |
| 01:38.36 | abrotman | Resilience: did it work ? |
| 01:38.38 | dvs | np |
| 01:39.05 | Resilience | abrotman, yes, it did boot, it was my first time |
| 01:39.15 | abrotman | instructions are good? :) |
| 01:40.34 | Resilience | abrotman, your instructions yes, the ones from installation guide... well I found them not very clear.. what happens if you hve some partition mounted on the device? |
| 01:41.00 | abrotman | Resilience: probably depends where you write it to |
| 01:41.49 | Resilience | abrotman, you said I must write it to /dev/sdb (the device) because I cannot write to a partition (I don't understand why not) |
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| 01:44.19 | dvs | Resilience: The instructions say to _copy_ an ISO image to the partition. But the instruction don't mention that the new images can boot directly from USB. |
| 01:45.02 | Resilience | dvs uh? |
| 01:45.02 | dvs | Resilience: That boot.img.gz file creates a partition only 256MB in size. |
| 01:45.27 | nsadmin | so it's for the netinstall |
| 01:45.31 | Resilience | dvs 4.3.1. Preparing a USB stick using a hybrid CD or DVD image, not 4.3.2 |
| 01:46.22 | nsadmin | Resilience, do you understand the consequences of writing the boot.img to the usb stick? |
| 01:46.32 | simonlnu | 2.6.38.2 still has scrambled video in x, and unable to switch to console.... |
| 01:46.45 | dvs | Resilience: oh ok. That's what abrotman told you to do. |
| 01:47.25 | Resilience | dvs, yes, tht' was my first question :D (but I don't understand why cannot put an iso image into a prtition and not the whole drive) |
| 01:47.52 | dvs | Resilience: because writing it to a partition won't overwrite the boot record |
| 01:48.31 | nsadmin | you can either use the boot.img or else you can format the stick yourself, create the dirs, make it bootable, write the files one at a time and then try booting |
| 01:48.47 | abrotman | he could probably use an existing grub to load an ISO from a partition .. but oh well |
| 01:48.58 | Resilience | dvs I supossed that, that's why I was tryig to wirt the iso image to a partition, making an mbr with lilo, and then putting in he usb pen a bootloader (syslinux) but it did not work |
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| 01:49.27 | dvs | nsadmin: or you can just cat the iso to a usb drive. |
| 01:49.48 | nsadmin | if you format it yourself (as in "flexible way"), then you can partition/format/etc and the filesystem will be of whatever size the media is. |
| 01:50.42 | nsadmin | or you can do it, what, the "easy way"? and write the boot.img.gz directly to the media. if you do this, the size of the filesystem WILL NOT be the same size as your media |
| 01:50.45 | dvs | Resilience: You can do that do but you have to make sure the partition you write the ISO to is large enough |
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| 01:50.57 | Resilience | nsdamin the problem was that when running syslinux, it did not worked |
| 01:51.26 | nsadmin | pretty much the only choices you have is to use either the netinst or the bus card image |
| 01:51.30 | izua | can anyone confirm me that a c270 or a c310 webcam works on 720p ? |
| 01:52.07 | kurtis | hey guys, do any debian pros in here know how to reset the permissions on my whole var directory? I've been going through trying to re-do it manually based off another machine but it's taking a while |
| 01:52.11 | abrotman | izua: google .. this is not ##hardware |
| 01:52.15 | kurtis | Unfortunately reinstalling the OS isn't an option :( |
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| 01:52.22 | izua | i'm tired of googling, found no decent answer. |
| 01:52.28 | izua | been doing it for a few hours now. |
| 01:52.30 | abrotman | izua: that doesn't make this the right place to ask |
| 01:53.02 | nsadmin | or even the best place to ask |
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| 01:53.41 | nsadmin | ##hardware is a better choice, altho the kids there, while capable, are a bit unorganized sometimes |
| 01:54.00 | kurtis | or a better, temporary solution ... if I changed the permissions on my whole /var directory and now can't access the server via-SSH (outside my open connection), do you guys know what I might need to change back specifically? |
| 01:54.14 | nsadmin | a lot of overklokzing is goin on |
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| 01:54.44 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 01:55.11 | johnfg | is libreoffice working on/for squeeze? |
| 01:55.16 | simonlnu | i don't see anything to do with ssh in /var/lib |
| 01:55.38 | nsadmin | but maybe in /var/run |
| 01:55.48 | simonlnu | yes, /var/run |
| 01:56.16 | abrotman | johnfg: squeeze has OO, but libreoffice is being worked on for the next release (wheezy) .. why? |
| 01:56.22 | simonlnu | though i just have a pid file there |
| 01:56.22 | Resilience | more questions... my hard disk for debian is 320 GB. 100 GB for / and 220 for /home would be ok? |
| 01:56.25 | kurtis | nsadmin: !!! You're awesome :) |
| 01:56.40 | abrotman | Resilience: what kind of system ? |
| 01:56.41 | kurtis | thank you so much. It was towards the end of my directory and I didn't feel like I was making any progress, haha |
| 01:57.47 | Resilience | abrotman, desktop, googling, openoffice, latex, programming (gcc,tcl,python) and electronic design and electrical simulations |
| 01:57.57 | pipeline | Resilience: you probably want more like 30G for / and 300G for /home :P |
| 01:57.59 | abrotman | 100GB is probably way way too much |
| 01:58.15 | abrotman | like maybe 2GB swap, 25GB /, rest is /home |
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| 01:58.24 | abrotman | even 25GB seems steep |
| 01:58.38 | abrotman | /dev/sda3 19G 5.6G 12G 32% / |
| 01:58.52 | Resilience | abrotman, /dev/sda1 19G 18G 91M 100% :( |
| 01:59.03 | abrotman | you keep stuff in weird places? :) |
| 01:59.10 | simonlnu | wtf are you putting in there? |
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| 01:59.35 | DammitJim | ... yup, I'm definitely in #debian LOL |
| 01:59.35 | simonlnu | /dev/sda1 / 8.7G 1.2G 7.5G 18% |
| 01:59.40 | Resilience | abrotman, I don't, something is broken |
| 01:59.59 | Resilience | simonlnu, something makes my / directory grow beyond control |
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| 02:00.41 | simonlnu | only thing i can think of is some misplaced log file, off hand |
| 02:00.43 | abrotman | Resilience: mysql? pgsql? |
| 02:00.54 | abrotman | a pile of garbage in /var/www/ ? |
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| 02:01.16 | nevyn | abrotman: no seperate usr so 20-30gig seems sane |
| 02:01.27 | simonlnu | (i also have /var and /usr split out) |
| 02:01.50 | simonlnu | (in addition to /home) |
| 02:01.59 | abrotman | nevyn: that was his / ? |
| 02:02.04 | nevyn | is over spliting /usr /var makes some sense |
| 02:02.07 | simonlnu | yes |
| 02:02.22 | kurtis | Is there any type of a program that will go through and check for messed up permissions? (probably based on Debain and Package defaults) |
| 02:02.32 | simonlnu | no |
| 02:02.38 | Resilience | abrotman, cd /var/www du -h 384K |
| 02:02.39 | abrotman | nevyn: i can see splitting off /var/ .. db/logs/mail etc ... but /usr/ generally stays static |
| 02:02.43 | simonlnu | write one ;) |
| 02:02.45 | abrotman | Resilience: that looks HUGE! |
| 02:02.56 | abrotman | kurtis: tried reinstalling packages? |
| 02:03.05 | Resilience | abrotman, kidding, right? |
| 02:03.11 | nevyn | yes he's kidding |
| 02:03.17 | Resilience | ah |
| 02:03.28 | kurtis | abrotman: not yet, I was hoping I didn't have to do that ... I'm remoted into the box in case anything goes wrong (specifically SSHd) |
| 02:03.28 | abrotman | !sdnwotn |
| 02:03.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, sdnwotn is Sarcasm Does Not Work On The Net |
| 02:03.31 | simonlnu | abrotman: 705M /var/www ;p |
| 02:03.45 | abrotman | simonlnu: on your blog server? |
| 02:03.57 | nevyn | abrotman: you're the one that did it. |
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| 02:04.05 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:04.16 | kurtis | Resilience: Is your DB file too big? I didnt really see what your original problem was |
| 02:04.21 | simonlnu | abrotman: dev stuff |
| 02:04.37 | Resilience | abrotman, I did not a fresh install sice 7 years ago, maybe it has somemthing to see about my hugh / ? |
| 02:04.39 | simonlnu | the box with the blog is bigger than that... |
| 02:04.48 | Resilience | kurtis, waht's DB file? |
| 02:04.57 | simonlnu | database |
| 02:05.25 | nevyn | ok so / and /usr used to be seperate partitions when disks were 7gb |
| 02:05.33 | Resilience | what db file? I have no database |
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| 02:05.41 | simonlnu | you know, like mysql, postgres, ldap, virtuoso, .... |
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| 02:06.04 | kurtis | You run a blog without a database? |
| 02:06.08 | nevyn | or smaller.. but today there's no point. the system software is so tiny compared with data that there's no point seperating them. |
| 02:06.12 | abrotman | kurtis: ikiwiki |
| 02:06.22 | Resilience | I run no ldap, no virtuoso and although I have installed mysql and postgresql I do nothing with them |
| 02:06.27 | nevyn | ikiwiki is awesome |
| 02:06.43 | simonlnu | i have 3 ikiwiki installs ;p |
| 02:07.05 | abrotman | ici! |
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| 02:08.14 | simonlnu | la-bas! |
| 02:09.06 | Resilience | ne I think that separating them has it's point that is when you have to make fresh install, you don't need to wipe anything |
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| 02:09.55 | abrotman | for / and /home/ ... sure |
| 02:10.36 | Resilience | abrotman, that was my point |
| 02:10.51 | nsadmin | are there weird things going on with the servers? |
| 02:10.55 | Resilience | abrotmnthen 50 Gb for / should be enough for the future? |
| 02:11.22 | abrotman | way too big |
| 02:11.26 | abrotman | really |
| 02:11.33 | abrotman | if you're really that concerned .. use LVM now |
| 02:11.37 | dvs | nsadmin: irc servers? |
| 02:11.41 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 02:11.46 | nsadmin | the irc servers |
| 02:12.00 | Resilience | abrotman, but you haev seen my / directory.. it is about 19 Gb (and I don't know why) |
| 02:12.33 | abrotman | you should find out before you just start making up random partition sizes |
| 02:12.50 | nsadmin | I'd strongly recommend you consider lvm |
| 02:13.06 | nsadmin | then you can make them bigger or smaller any time you want |
| 02:13.10 | Resilience | waht's lvm? |
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| 02:13.40 | Resilience | ah, logical volume whatever-it-be-m |
| 02:13.41 | nsadmin | it lets you easily resize partitions |
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| 02:15.21 | owen1 | how to cancel bluetooth? is it a service i can access via init.d? |
| 02:15.36 | nsadmin | paint it red |
| 02:15.43 | abrotman | owen1: cancel why? |
| 02:15.50 | jhutchins_lt | lvm is crap. It's one more thing to go wrong, and it often does. |
| 02:16.05 | abrotman | that's why they made lvm2 |
| 02:16.06 | nsadmin | depends on how you use it |
| 02:16.30 | nsadmin | personally I use vg / drive |
| 02:16.59 | pipeline | always use LVM |
| 02:17.04 | pipeline | unless you have an overbearing reason not to |
| 02:17.05 | nsadmin | things can indeed go wrong with vgs that cover multiple drives, unless a plan is made |
| 02:17.15 | owen1 | abrotman: i don't use it and want to save battery life. my commute is 1:30 hours and my laptop die after 1 hour. |
| 02:17.55 | abrotman | owen1: look at the powertop package and read lesswatts.org |
| 02:18.21 | kurtis | What's the best place in the Debian file structure to put the Zend Loader? (It's a .so file) |
| 02:18.38 | owen1 | abrotman: already followed the advice from powertop |
| 02:18.51 | kurtis | maybe /usr/lib? |
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| 02:19.34 | nsadmin | don't put stuff not in packages where debian packaging thinks it owns |
| 02:19.40 | johnfg | abrotman, Sorry, had to go eat my butterfly steaks :-). |
| 02:19.45 | nsadmin | try something like /usr/local/lib |
| 02:19.50 | kurtis | ok cool |
| 02:19.57 | nsadmin | which debian packaging is not permitted to touch |
| 02:20.08 | kurtis | i had no idea. thanks for sharing the good info |
| 02:20.21 | johnfg | I heard some good things about libreoffice, and saw that there's a deb package on libreoffice.org. |
| 02:20.52 | abrotman | johnfg: hrm .. never thought about trying to cook a butterfly |
| 02:21.00 | johnfg | I've used OO forever. |
| 02:21.54 | johnfg | Why did I know someone would say that? Backstrap - cut in half with the silverskin to hold it together as a butterfly. |
| 02:22.11 | johnfg | One of the best parts for us carnivores. |
| 02:22.41 | abrotman | i was kidding .. i know what it is |
| 02:23.14 | johnfg | Only tenderloin's better, yum! |
| 02:23.40 | johnfg | So, I wonder if that deb pkg will install on squeeze? |
| 02:23.55 | abrotman | johnfg: you could wait for official backports .. i'm sure they'll appear eventually |
| 02:24.26 | johnfg | I do know that it's available with the latest opensuse, 11.4 (read it on distrowatch). |
| 02:24.30 | Raptors | is firefox 4 QT or something? |
| 02:24.36 | Raptors | it doesn't match my theme :| |
| 02:24.46 | Raptors | using gnome |
| 02:24.48 | Raptors | gtk |
| 02:24.53 | abrotman | ask mozilla? |
| 02:25.03 | kurtis | Hey guys, this is probably a simple question ... but how can I tell if my system is amd64 or x86? |
| 02:25.07 | kurtis | (The Kernel) |
| 02:25.13 | abrotman | kurtis: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 02:25.29 | kurtis | abrotman: that was quick. thanks |
| 02:25.37 | abrotman | kurtis: uname -a to look at the kernel |
| 02:25.37 | nsadmin | your system? or actually your cpu? |
| 02:25.46 | abrotman | if you want your actual hardware .. google |
| 02:26.08 | kurtis | haha yeah just the kernel and libraries. You guys nailed it. thanks :) |
| 02:26.12 | nsadmin | do you know that you have amd64-like cpus? |
| 02:26.21 | kurtis | yeah. It's a Core 2 Duo |
| 02:26.25 | nsadmin | ok |
| 02:26.47 | Resilience | abrotman, /usr/lib 4.26 GiB and /usr/share 9.30 GiB, I think it is due that I have come cross too many updates without a fresh install (first and only fresh install was 7 years ago) is it possible? |
| 02:27.07 | abrotman | possibly .. you might have a lot of docs left over |
| 02:27.17 | abrotman | or just unneeded packages |
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| 02:27.50 | nsadmin | so there are some combinations that are possible... if you have amd64 userland, you have to have an amd64 kernel... if you have i386 userland, you can have either 32bit or 64bit kernel |
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| 02:29.00 | InfectedSoul | hello i need to add rpmfusion to my list of rpms how do i? |
| 02:29.06 | Resilience | abrotman, /usr/share/doc "only" 3.77 GiB |
| 02:29.23 | abrotman | not surprised |
| 02:29.29 | nsadmin | InfectedSoul, rpm is not supported |
| 02:29.29 | abrotman | InfectedSoul: in what OS? |
| 02:29.34 | abrotman | nsadmin: that's not true |
| 02:29.37 | InfectedSoul | debian |
| 02:29.43 | abrotman | thinks nsadmin is drunk again |
| 02:29.47 | InfectedSoul | ive added it before |
| 02:29.58 | nsadmin | never been drunk |
| 02:30.06 | abrotman | InfectedSoul: you've read all the RPM docs? |
| 02:30.50 | nsadmin | so I can't be drunk "again" and I'm not drunk now nor ever in the future |
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| 02:31.19 | ranix | nsadmin: considering how much you drank, how can you be sure you didn't drink? Or of anything |
| 02:32.10 | dserban__ | Ok, wth, eurovision entries this year are all crap, not one is decent ... |
| 02:32.45 | nsadmin | the only way rpms are anything close to supported is thru alien, and it's not recommended as rpms that have been alienized don't follow debian usage or policy... they can screwyour system |
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| 02:33.21 | Resilience | abrotman, resizing the partitions with gparted... is it risky? or it isn't? |
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| 02:35.37 | abrotman | Resilience: depends if you care about the data, but always have a backup |
| 02:35.39 | un214 | I think it's something like ^C ^Z ^Z ESC ^C |
| 02:36.24 | Resilience | abrotman, I do care... but I feel that 50 GiB are "few" for the system.... |
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| 02:52.51 | Anon906 | PleaseAnwserMe i was joking i cant believe thought i believed the video you really thought i was serious here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt82xGmjGJw |
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| 02:53.28 | Anon906 | #Wrongplanet |
| 02:53.34 | abrotman | wrong channel |
| 02:54.18 | Anon906 | i know i am trying to connect to the chanel |
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| 03:16.36 | Anon104 | The Hate Crimes of the Aspergian Race, Encuraged by Wrong Planet |
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| 03:20.54 | dvs | I wish people wouldn't rush in like this. ;-) |
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| 03:45.42 | kurtis_ | well .. when apt tries to update it, that's the error I get |
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| 04:20.05 | Miesco | Why the heck wont my xbox or anything else read subtitle files or vorbis video |
| 04:20.08 | Miesco | FUCK |
| 04:21.23 | Miesco | Whats a package that will convert from ogm to avi? |
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| 04:22.57 | optraz | anyway to automatically submit the form without using javascript? |
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| 04:25.30 | un214 | I suspect the correct invocation to wget will do the trick |
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| 04:26.21 | funyun | hi. does anyone know of a program that can turn my debian linux dedicated server into a media streamer so i can stream movies/music on the go? |
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| 04:28.43 | un214 | mythtv? |
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| 04:31.37 | funyun | mythtv seems to be a video recorder and icecast is only for audio |
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| 04:36.09 | neoplus | hi |
| 04:37.27 | roxirc | hi neoplus |
| 04:38.10 | nevyn | funyun: umm.. I'm sure there are things.. but what's wrong with a bunch of mp4's on an apache server? |
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| 04:39.20 | Miesco | How do I get debian-multimedia.org to work |
| 04:39.22 | funyun | nevyn: yes. my movies are all in mp4 format. i'm a super noob at this stuff, what's an apache server? |
| 04:39.27 | Miesco | I need a key ring? |
| 04:39.48 | neoplus | hi |
| 04:39.54 | nevyn | funyun: a http server. |
| 04:40.15 | neoplus | lighttpd |
| 04:40.18 | neoplus | so |
| 04:41.16 | funyun | nevyn: cool. is that difficult to set up? can i set it up without removing anything on my server? |
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| 04:42.00 | Tordek | hi |
| 04:42.35 | Tordek | I'm having problems mounting stuff with kde; I get a PermissionDenied error |
| 04:42.49 | Tordek | how can I allow mounting of local devices? |
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| 04:47.21 | Miesco | I added the debian-multimedia repository for Wheezy and now I I get dependency issues tons of them |
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| 04:49.01 | Miesco | I installed debian-multimedia-keyring package, is it still suppost to say that its untrusted before I download? |
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| 04:50.22 | Miesco | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org wheezy main non-free |
| 04:52.29 | nsadmin | you're downloading a nonstable dist, so parts of it may not be ready yet |
| 04:52.47 | nsadmin | if there are problems with it and you believe they are known, you can check the |
| 04:52.51 | nsadmin | !BTS |
| 04:52.51 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 04:53.07 | roxirc | nsadmin: i think not nonstable dists, but unstable dists :) |
| 04:53.23 | nsadmin | wheezy is unstable? |
| 04:53.41 | nsadmin | well at this point it probably is |
| 04:54.08 | nsadmin | but either way it's also nonstable ("unstable" is just a name) |
| 04:54.15 | roxirc | unstable that stable enought for me :d |
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| 04:54.50 | nsadmin | but you're not the original questioner |
| 04:55.19 | Miesco | nsadmin: Well when I try to upgrade mplayer I get like 16 conflics |
| 04:55.28 | Miesco | How do I go from wheezy to squeeze? |
| 04:56.19 | nsadmin | debian doesn't have downgrading... how you go there is wipe (all but /home perhaps) and reinstall |
| 04:56.51 | Miesco | Okay well I'll just wait till wheezy becomes stable |
| 04:57.07 | nsadmin | every three years... |
| 04:57.15 | nsadmin | ...whether it needs it or not! |
| 04:57.27 | Miesco | three years? |
| 04:57.48 | nsadmin | well maybe 1.6 |
| 04:57.55 | nsadmin | err 1.5 |
| 04:58.12 | nsadmin | but wheezy JUST started life last month |
| 04:58.43 | nsadmin | as such it's not the most stable egg in the basket |
| 04:58.49 | Miesco | Okay maybe thats why its so unstable for debian-multimedia |
| 04:59.20 | Miesco | I just want to convert a ogm to avi (sadly) so I can play it on my blueray player that takes usb flash drives |
| 04:59.34 | Miesco | I want to see the ending of EVA! |
| 04:59.53 | nsadmin | maybe debian-multimedia has not even started building for wheezy |
| 05:00.11 | Miesco | nsadmin: Well that deb line is from there home page |
| 05:00.13 | nsadmin | these are admittedly a lot of maybes |
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| 05:00.37 | nsadmin | so you'll have to resolve what's factually what |
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| 05:02.24 | nsadmin | btw, this is on a dedicated remote server? |
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| 05:04.54 | Miesco | nsadmin: No |
| 05:05.04 | Miesco | nsadmin: Wait, what? |
| 05:05.39 | Miesco | Im recoding the ogm mp4+vobis audio to avi mp4+vobis audio :/ |
| 05:05.44 | Miesco | I doubt it will work |
| 05:05.56 | Miesco | Just a different container |
| 05:06.03 | nsadmin | oh, so you're doing an audio app |
| 05:06.25 | Miesco | nsadmin: I want to play this movie on my dvd player |
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| 05:06.51 | Miesco | Whats a video codec that will play on my video player? |
| 05:07.05 | Miesco | That is free |
| 05:07.12 | Miesco | I guess mp4 |
| 05:07.15 | Miesco | What audio I mean |
| 05:07.18 | Miesco | mp3 isn't free |
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| 05:09.00 | nsadmin | that part not sure... you'll have to research licensing and decide what you consider free |
| 05:13.08 | Miesco | nsadmin: Well debian repository doesn't have it because of patent issues |
| 05:13.19 | Miesco | I need something that the repository has |
| 05:13.27 | Miesco | that a dvd player will play |
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| 05:15.00 | peter5 | well, if someone were to start porting rockbox to DVD players.... |
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| 05:15.54 | Miesco | maybe wave? |
| 05:15.59 | Miesco | That will be so big |
| 05:16.46 | peter5 | and unfortunately you can't just randomly mix codecs and containers - have to find a container that has a raw PCM audio codec available for it. avi maybe |
| 05:17.10 | peloverde | I'm trying to update and I'm seeing "Hash Sum mismatch" for everything on debian.org |
| 05:17.19 | Miesco | peter5: I am doing avi container |
| 05:17.33 | Miesco | peter5: I got a video codec, a container, just need an audio codec |
| 05:18.04 | peter5 | Miesco: yeah you can probably do PCM (aka 'wav') or one of the ulaw family.... |
| 05:18.27 | peter5 | those are at least a tiny bit compressed |
| 05:18.43 | Miesco | so mencoder -o file.wav -ovc copy -oac libpcm |
| 05:18.58 | peter5 | don't know, I don't know mencoder usage |
| 05:20.01 | Miesco | peter5: How would I do that with ffmpeg then? |
| 05:20.15 | peter5 | don't know that either |
| 05:20.35 | Miesco | peter5: transcode? |
| 05:20.44 | peter5 | just speculating on what containers and audio codecs would be supported by both Debian and a random hardware DVD player |
| 05:20.44 | Miesco | Is there a package with a gui for this? |
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| 05:23.02 | Arrowmaster | Miesco: use ffmpeg |
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| 05:23.16 | Arrowmaster | or handbrake if you want a gui |
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| 05:23.35 | Arrowmaster | mencoder has 'issues' |
| 05:23.47 | Miesco | Arrowmaster: handbrake isn't in the repo |
| 05:24.00 | Arrowmaster | its in debian-multimedia |
| 05:24.53 | Miesco | Arrowmaster: debian-multimedia is broken is wheezy |
| 05:25.02 | Arrowmaster | i doubt that |
| 05:25.03 | Miesco | Arrowmaster: I need something in current repo |
| 05:25.07 | Miesco | Arrowmaster: It is |
| 05:25.22 | Miesco | Arrowmaster: I upgrade mplayer and get 13 conflics |
| 05:25.34 | Arrowmaster | thats because the mplayer packages are screwed up |
| 05:26.08 | Arrowmaster | debian has mplayer and mplayer-gui, debian-multimedia has mplayer and mplayer-nogui |
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| 05:27.34 | Miesco | http://packages.debian.org/testing/video/ |
| 05:27.38 | Miesco | that says that there is winff |
| 05:27.42 | Miesco | but my repo says otherwise |
| 05:28.05 | Miesco | Arrowmaster: No I tried mplayer-nogui as well |
| 05:28.10 | dondelelcaro | judd: versions winff |
| 05:28.11 | judd | Package winff on i386 -- squeeze: 1.3.0-1; wheezy: 1.3.2-1; sid: 1.3.2-2 |
| 05:28.16 | Miesco | Arrowmaster: I try upgrading ANYTHING and I get a million conflitcs |
| 05:28.26 | Miesco | see |
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| 05:28.41 | Arrowmaster | did you run aptitude update again after you added the key? |
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| 05:28.50 | Arrowmaster | i dont have any conflicts here |
| 05:28.57 | Miesco | Arrowmaster: wheezy? |
| 05:29.13 | Miesco | Arrowmaster: I did that lots of times |
| 05:29.18 | Arrowmaster | no but i have wheezy sources added too |
| 05:29.35 | Miesco | aptitude says I have 900 obsolete packages |
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| 05:29.48 | Miesco | about 1000 in total... |
| 05:29.50 | Miesco | is that right? |
| 05:29.53 | Arrowmaster | no |
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| 05:30.00 | Arrowmaster | sounds like you removed the old source |
| 05:30.08 | Arrowmaster | instead of adding a new one |
| 05:30.27 | Miesco | oh its not reading any repository |
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| 05:32.02 | Miesco | maybe its cause I added the squeeze backport package iceweasel |
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| 05:33.20 | Miesco | Its only showing installed packages |
| 05:33.34 | Arrowmaster | i think its because you removed the main mirrors from your sources.list |
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| 05:34.13 | Miesco | Arrowmaster: I have them |
| 05:34.24 | Arrowmaster | then you broke something else |
| 05:34.39 | Miesco | http://pastebin.com/ryqeqzuB |
| 05:34.41 | Arrowmaster | pastebin your output from apt-cache policy |
| 05:34.45 | Miesco | k |
| 05:34.53 | Raptors | Why does debian grub update always end up breaking grub? I [almost] alway have to boot into ubuntu livecd and reinstall it :| |
| 05:35.07 | Arrowmaster | and you didnt confirm the captcha on the pastebin |
| 05:35.32 | Arrowmaster | Raptors: do you have multiple OS's? |
| 05:35.39 | Miesco | http://paste.debian.net/112284/ |
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| 05:35.44 | Raptors | Ya Windows XP |
| 05:36.00 | Raptors | but I didn' |
| 05:36.05 | Raptors | t install it after |
| 05:36.36 | Raptors | The grub rescue prompt pops up |
| 05:36.57 | Raptors | err rescue shell |
| 05:37.40 | Arrowmaster | Miesco: what happens when you try aptitude update? |
| 05:37.51 | Miesco | Arrowmaster: its normal |
| 05:38.30 | Miesco | http://paste.debian.net/112285/ |
| 05:38.44 | Arrowmaster | well something is broken because only http://security.debian.org/ is being used |
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| 05:39.16 | Miesco | i'll readd the repositories |
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| 05:40.02 | Miesco | !repository |
| 05:40.02 | dpkg | A Debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with <apt>. A HOWTO (outdated since <secure apt>) is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto . Ask me about <list repositories>. |
| 05:40.16 | Miesco | !list repositories |
| 05:40.16 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory, or <bdo list>, or <dmm list> |
| 05:40.44 | Arrowmaster | !wheezy sources |
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| 05:40.54 | Arrowmaster | damn |
| 05:44.21 | simonlnu | !sources.list |
| 05:44.21 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
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| 05:45.44 | amee2k | mmh, how do i mark packages as manually installed again? |
| 05:45.59 | amee2k | so aptitude remove doesn't remove them as unused dependencies |
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| 05:46.38 | Miesco | I fixed it! |
| 05:46.47 | ElDiabolo | amee2k, aptitude install <pkg> should do that. |
| 05:46.48 | Miesco | I downloaded the Ukraine repository |
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| 05:47.13 | neoplus | hi |
| 05:47.17 | amee2k | ElDiabolo: hm. i tried that, but it still wants to remove a lot of stuff along with the "gnome" package |
| 05:47.31 | neoplus | I'm neoplus. |
| 05:47.53 | amee2k | which is apparently broken when i remove avahi-daemon, and must be removed |
| 05:47.55 | Miesco | debian-multimedia works now!~ |
| 05:48.09 | Arrowmaster | amee2k: aptitude unmarkauto package |
| 05:48.15 | Miesco | I'm gunna get to see "The end of evangelion" |
| 05:49.19 | amee2k | ooh, that did it :) |
| 05:49.24 | amee2k | thanks a lot Arrowmaster |
| 05:50.07 | ElDiabolo | amee2k, It is only avahi-daemon that you want to remove? |
| 05:50.29 | ElDiabolo | Ah, don't mind |
| 05:50.53 | Arrowmaster | Miesco: i hope you didnt watch ep 25 and 26 |
| 05:50.57 | amee2k | yeah. something on my system keeps installing other people's printers at random |
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| 05:51.02 | amee2k | and that is highly annoying |
| 05:51.45 | ElDiabolo | amee2k, Ah attack of the users friends :) |
| 05:52.08 | amee2k | but i'd strongly prefer to fix the problem on my end, rather than have to go all around the house to fix other people's permissions ;) |
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| 05:56.02 | amee2k | hm. apparently that didn't quite do it. i know that i fixed it last time by removing some service, but that was like 3 years ago by now >_> |
| 05:56.15 | amee2k | any ideas what other services do stuff like that? |
| 05:56.18 | prince_jammys | sounds like avahi |
| 05:56.56 | amee2k | well, i just uninstalled that, and it doesn't show up in "ps -Af |grep avahi" anymore either |
| 05:57.10 | flamingspinach | I'm trying to set up X on my laptop - it has a built-in display, of course, as well as being plugged into an external monitor by DVI |
| 05:57.14 | amee2k | for some reason i still have the /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon file theough |
| 05:57.31 | flamingspinach | unfortunately X only seems to know about the built-in display by default |
| 05:57.42 | prince_jammys | amee2k: purging will likely remove that |
| 05:57.43 | Miesco | handbrake is too big for my 1024x600 screen |
| 05:57.43 | Arrowmaster | amee2k: aptitude purge packagename |
| 05:57.45 | flamingspinach | gnome can figure out that there are two monitors, but I don't want to use gnome |
| 05:57.51 | flamingspinach | any suggestions on how to do this? |
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| 05:58.04 | flamingspinach | ultimately I want to just not use the built-in display at all, and solely use the external monitor |
| 05:58.06 | cahoot | what does xrandr -q return? |
| 05:58.31 | flamingspinach | can't open display |
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| 05:58.47 | amee2k | Arrowmaster: yeah, that did it. still doesn't explain why the printers aren't gone though |
| 05:58.58 | amee2k | i tried restarting cups but it didn't help |
| 05:59.09 | cahoot | flamingspinach: try in X ? |
| 05:59.16 | break3r | sorry, this was my last reconnect |
| 05:59.21 | prince_jammys | amee2k: go to cup's admin URL |
| 05:59.21 | break3r | promised |
| 05:59.42 | flamingspinach | cahoot: I don't have a display manager or a window manager installed yet, maybe I should do that first... (?) |
| 06:00.10 | prince_jammys | amee2k: namely http://localhost:631/ |
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| 06:00.20 | amee2k | yeah, it shows up there |
| 06:01.02 | amee2k | when people turn their printers on an off they would come up and disappear on my cups too |
| 06:01.21 | amee2k | but now this avahi sh...gadget is gone and i still have the printers, even after a cups restart |
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| 06:01.43 | prince_jammys | can you remove them through the web UI ? |
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| 06:01.50 | amee2k | no |
| 06:02.11 | amee2k | it only gives me access denied, but without a login prompt |
| 06:02.28 | prince_jammys | hm |
| 06:02.30 | amee2k | (cups' web interface is horribly broken imo) |
| 06:02.49 | prince_jammys | i haven't used it in ages. once you gain access you should be able to remove 'em |
| 06:03.18 | prince_jammys | if you use a DE, maybe there's an interface for that too |
| 06:03.47 | amee2k | i use gnome, but their printer configuration tool only allows adding printers. the remove button is greyed out >_< |
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| 06:08.08 | flamingspinach | cahoot: OK, I get two connected entries... well, I can't pastebin it since I don't have a browser on the machine, haha |
| 06:08.11 | flamingspinach | I'll try to type it out... |
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| 06:10.03 | prince_jammys | look for the identifiers of the displays, such as 'VGA-0' and such |
| 06:10.20 | flamingspinach | yup, there's LVDS and DVI-0 |
| 06:10.33 | flamingspinach | I take it LVDS is the built-in display and DVI-0 is my external monitor (which is indeed connected to a DVI port) |
| 06:10.46 | flamingspinach | there are also VGA-0 and S-video disconnected (which they indeed are) |
| 06:11.00 | prince_jammys | try xrandr --output DVI-0 --auto --output LVDS --off |
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| 06:11.21 | prince_jammys | (and pray, because you may have to type with no screen if my advice is wrong) |
| 06:11.24 | flamingspinach | beautiful :D |
| 06:11.25 | amee2k | prince_jammys: what do you use to configure printers? |
| 06:11.26 | flamingspinach | no, it worked |
| 06:11.44 | prince_jammys | amee2k: the web interface, and a lot of cursing |
| 06:11.50 | amee2k | meh |
| 06:11.53 | prince_jammys | but i haven't done it in a long time |
| 06:12.04 | flamingspinach | well, the wallpaper from the desktop-base package is still 1680x1050, so it's tiling a little in the lower right corner :) |
| 06:12.05 | prince_jammys | you could try reconfiguring cups |
| 06:12.08 | flamingspinach | but otherwise working |
| 06:12.17 | flamingspinach | how do I tell X that I want this to happen whenever it starts up? |
| 06:12.22 | amee2k | i just restarted the system and the other printers are still there |
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| 06:13.00 | amee2k | prince_jammys: /etc/cups/printers.conf only contains my local printer that i want. not the others |
| 06:13.01 | prince_jammys | flamingspinach: it's possible to add it to an rc file, which may depend a bit on how you run X (wm, de, and such) |
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| 06:13.22 | flamingspinach | I plan to run X with slim login manager and xmonad as a wm |
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| 06:13.36 | flamingspinach | i.e. start it just by `/etc/init.d/slim start`, which I gues happens automatically on boot |
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| 06:13.42 | flamingspinach | *guess |
| 06:14.12 | prince_jammys | hm, look for xrandr in the debian wiki. you may also see advice using xorg.conf |
| 06:14.15 | prince_jammys | !xrandr |
| 06:14.15 | dpkg | i guess xrandr is a command-line interface to the <RandR> extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 06:14.25 | flamingspinach | thanks :) |
| 06:15.10 | amee2k | imma try something new... reinstall avahi-daemon, disconnect the box from the network, wait until the printers disappear, kill avahi for good this time |
| 06:15.55 | prince_jammys | you can disable the service with ''update-rc.d -f avahi-daemon remove'' , if you want to keep it installed |
| 06:16.32 | amee2k | hm. sounds like a good idea |
| 06:16.52 | prince_jammys | (you may also have to ''invoke-rc.d avahi-daemon stop'' if it's running) |
| 06:17.27 | amee2k | okay, that seems to have worked. the printers are gone now and looks like it stays that way |
| 06:17.35 | prince_jammys | congrats |
| 06:17.45 | amee2k | thanks a lot :) |
| 06:17.53 | prince_jammys | pretty soon you'll want them back :) |
| 06:18.05 | prince_jammys | you know how it is ... |
| 06:18.22 | amee2k | i can install the ones i want ... when i want them >_> |
| 06:18.32 | prince_jammys | nods |
| 06:18.39 | prince_jammys | i'm the same way, no extra shit. |
| 06:18.56 | amee2k | i'm all for extra shit, but only the shit i want |
| 06:19.05 | prince_jammys | then it ain't extra |
| 06:19.21 | amee2k | i generally dislike things that "just do what someone else thinks i meant" |
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| 06:19.33 | prince_jammys | yep |
| 06:19.42 | amee2k | i could rant about that kind of un-features all day long ;) |
| 06:20.25 | amee2k | especially if they're hard/impossible to disable without breaking other (relevant) features too |
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| 07:41.13 | gnugr | !coffee |
| 07:41.13 | dpkg | methinks coffee is the reason the net exists, the drug of choice for a GNU generation, http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, geiseri's favorite beverage, smells better than it tastes |
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| 07:44.48 | Bhavicp | Does anyone know that if i have SATA 0/1/2/4 drives added, does this show up as sda sdb sdc sdd, in the corrosponding order? ie does sata0 = sda etc? |
| 07:45.10 | Dewi | Bhavicp: yes |
| 07:45.19 | Dewi | Bhavicp: but boot order isn't always the same as probe order |
| 07:45.23 | Bhavicp | Ah awesome. 100% Sure right? :) |
| 07:45.27 | Dewi | Bhavicp: between different controllers |
| 07:45.43 | Dewi | Bhavicp: you really shouldn't rely on it. Use volume labels |
| 07:45.51 | Dewi | (or guids) |
| 07:46.01 | Bhavicp | I hvae a hotswap server which i'm wanting to switch one of the disks out, just need to make sure that i'm clearing the right drive and pulling out the right disk |
| 07:46.09 | flamingspinach | this is odd. I can't login unless there is no .xsession in my homedir (I'm using SLiM as a display manager) |
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| 07:46.26 | Dewi | Bhavicp: in that case, check geometry with fdisk -l |
| 07:46.28 | flamingspinach | I notice ~/.xsession is sourced by /etc/X11/Xsession , which is called by SLiM, according to /etc/slim.conf |
| 07:46.36 | Bhavicp | Ah ok, Thank you very much! |
| 07:46.40 | Dewi | Bhavicp: or even get the serial number with smartctl --all |
| 07:46.50 | flamingspinach | but even if my ~/.xsession is a blank file, I get logged out in a couple seconds |
| 07:46.58 | flamingspinach | any idea what's going on here...? |
| 07:48.35 | Dewi | Bhavicp: with seagates this gives you the code printed on top of the actual disk - smartctl --all /dev/sda | grep -i serial |
| 07:48.43 | Bushmills | flamingspinach: what happens if you put something into .xsession, like /usr/bin/xterm ? |
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| 07:49.15 | Bhavicp | I'm using Western Digial, however it also has serials. Hopefully we can see the serials without having to remove the actual disks :P |
| 07:49.32 | Bhavicp | (and the server) |
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| 07:49.38 | Dewi | Bhavicp: yeah, I know what you mean, sometimes it's a process of elimination |
| 07:49.39 | flamingspinach | Bushmills: let's try... |
| 07:49.47 | flamingspinach | oh. That works :D |
| 07:49.58 | Bhavicp | Yea, i guess pulling out the wrong disk won't do much harm if i'm running raid 1. |
| 07:50.00 | Dewi | Bhavicp: really fancy servers can flash an LED, but I've never had the pleasure of owning one |
| 07:50.04 | flamingspinach | weird, I never needed to launch a terminal before... well, probably because I'm using the "default" session and don't actually have a window manager installed |
| 07:50.14 | Bhavicp | Haha, that would be nice. |
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| 07:50.50 | Dewi | Bhavicp: they should put the LEDs on the disks nowadays, they're smart enough |
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| 07:51.30 | Bhavicp | Very true. It would make some things SO much easier. Wouldn't even be much more expensive to add.. |
| 07:51.34 | prince_jammys | flamingspinach: normally you at some point exec an X client/window manager. Makes some sense that you would just exit X altogether if you don't. |
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| 07:54.03 | flamingspinach | prince_jammys: yeah, it does... haha. |
| 07:54.11 | flamingspinach | I guess since there's nothing left running it just exits |
| 07:54.26 | prince_jammys | sounds like it. install a WM |
| 07:54.48 | flamingspinach | yup, I'm going to install xmonad but it pulls in haskell and ghc and my internet is slow :) |
| 07:54.57 | flamingspinach | so just trying to make sure things work before I embark upon that |
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| 08:25.53 | AlexC_ | morning |
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| 08:26.23 | AlexC_ | does Squeeze have some kind of hidden process limit for applications? This is the second time I've ran into a problem regarding process limits, first Apache2 and now Postfix .... never had this problem with Lenny |
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| 08:27.19 | KB1JWQ | AlexC_: Already asked for more details in #postfix. :-) |
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| 08:29.52 | gnugr | !postfix |
| 08:29.52 | dpkg | Postfix is a <MTA> originally created as an alternative to <sendmail>. It aims to be fast, secure, easy to administer and (relatively) sendmail compatible. Receiving "no mechanism available" with SASL when used as a SMTP client? Install the suggested libsasl2-modules package. Kyle Dent's Postfix FAQ: http://www.seaglass.com/postfix/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/Postfix http://www.postfix.org/ #postfix on irc.freenode.net. |
| 08:30.15 | superdepor | I have started debian with no X support. I would like to watch a jpg picture, but can't do it with fbi? any suggestion for a package or how I could get it to work with fbi? |
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| 08:32.10 | petemc | superdepor: w3m-img perhaps |
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| 08:32.59 | dr_traktor | There's a program (rtorrent) that is terminating without printing any error messages. It just suddenly exits without the proper shutdown protocol (signaling the tracker that its out). Is there any way I could find out the cause of this? |
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| 08:33.58 | as001 | hi whereis net-snmp package for debian lenny |
| 08:34.03 | superdepor | ok I will try that pckage instead petemc! |
| 08:34.09 | Bhavicp | dr_traktor: if running rtorrent in terminaal, it *usually* displays some sort of error. |
| 08:34.17 | Bhavicp | ie not in screen |
| 08:34.20 | flamingspinach | is it considered polite to request version bumps by reporting "bugs" |
| 08:34.42 | as001 | i installed snmp but I have nothing in /etc/snmp/ |
| 08:34.48 | Bhavicp | dr_traktor: Otherwsie try trace it |
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| 08:35.40 | gnugr | !rtorrent |
| 08:35.40 | dpkg | rtorrent is a solid, powerful and very efficient curses-based <BitTorrent> client. The format of session files for multi-file torrents changed at rtorrent 0.8.2-1, see /usr/share/doc/rtorrent/NEWS.Debian.gz to upgrade. http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/ #rtorrent on irc.freenode.net. |
| 08:35.48 | as001 | I also does not have /etc/init.d/snmp |
| 08:35.59 | dr_traktor | Bhavicp: I'm running it from ssh. Now it exits if I launch it simply and it exits if I launch it in screen too. No error message on stdout. |
| 08:36.18 | dr_traktor | Also I realized this happens when speed gets too high. If I enable throttling it wont exit. |
| 08:36.23 | Bhavicp | Hm, never had that problem. Was it running OK before? |
| 08:36.26 | Bhavicp | ah |
| 08:36.35 | dr_traktor | It never run OK. Its doing this from the start. |
| 08:36.37 | Bhavicp | Most likely your max_mem_usage is too high |
| 08:36.48 | dr_traktor | Bhavicp: Now that is a likely hypothesis! |
| 08:36.52 | petemc | as001: did yu install snmpd ? |
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| 08:36.57 | dr_traktor | Im surprised I never though of that. |
| 08:37.00 | Bhavicp | Try set it to 80% of your available RAM. |
| 08:37.01 | Bhavicp | :) |
| 08:37.10 | as001 | i installed that on machine 1 and not on machine 2 (client) |
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| 08:37.41 | Coudy | hi, I can't run dnsmasq from init.d script, but I can run it with dnsmasq -d |
| 08:38.03 | Bhavicp | Coudy: Are you calling it with /path/to/dnsmasq ? |
| 08:38.23 | Coudy | Bhavicp, yes |
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| 08:38.38 | Dewi | Coudy: be more specific, how does it fail? |
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| 08:39.18 | Coudy | /etc/init.d/dnsmasq start gives me this error > dnsmasq: bad option at line 1 of /etc/dnsmasq.d/dnsmasq.leases failed! |
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| 08:39.42 | Coudy | and can run it witout problems with this options > dnsmasq -d -C /etc/dnsmasq.d/dnsmasq.conf -l /etc/dnsmasq.d/dnsmasq.leases |
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| 08:40.50 | Coudy | Bhavicp, /etc/init.d/dnsmasq start gives me this error > dnsmasq: bad option at line 1 of /etc/dnsmasq.d/dnsmasq.leases failed! |
| 08:40.50 | Coudy | and can run it witout problems with this options > dnsmasq -d -C /etc/dnsmasq.d/dnsmasq.conf -l /etc/dnsmasq.d/dnsmasq.leases |
| 08:40.58 | Dewi | Coudy: /etc/dnsmasq.d is for config files, not lease files |
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| 08:41.04 | Guest95401 | Hi,all,I am working on shell program,,And What is "local min={2:-24343}" represents for..Thank you... |
| 08:41.13 | Guest95401 | name |
| 08:41.49 | Dewi | Coudy: put the lease file somewhere else that isn't loaded as configs |
| 08:42.16 | Coudy | Dewi, ok, solved, thx |
| 08:42.31 | Guest95401 | hi |
| 08:43.31 | frikinz_ | Guest95401: man bash , type /\<local\> |
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| 08:44.00 | AlexC_ | Guest95401: well there is a lot on there you could realy be asking. But go in #bash |
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| 08:50.13 | dr_traktor | Whats the point of creating separate accounts for separate programs instead of just running programs from your own account as you would do on windows? Seems like to introduce a lot of overhead in managing your programs. |
| 08:50.25 | superdepor | if I start debian in a non x environment, will I have a frame-buffer console or not? |
| 08:50.41 | TomDV | superdepor: no |
| 08:50.45 | superdepor | ok |
| 08:50.53 | Arrowmaster | dr_traktor: you mean for servers? |
| 08:51.05 | superdepor | could I get a frambuffer-console? and if yes, how could I get it? |
| 08:51.32 | Bushmills | dr_traktor: some (potential) protection against accessing files which belong to other programs |
| 08:52.07 | TomDV | what i always do is set the vga=792 parm in grub, to get 1024x768 on my servers |
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| 08:53.07 | dr_traktor | Arrowmaster: Yes. |
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| 08:53.20 | Arrowmaster | its for security |
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| 08:54.36 | superdepor | TomDV: any idea if I could get a frambuffer console or how I could get it? |
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| 08:55.06 | dr_traktor | Bushmills: Okay it makes sense. But supposing I'm using just a few stable programs is it all right to run them from my account? |
| 08:55.15 | simonlnu | lots of good reasons, and no, it's not a lot of overhead. remember this sort of thing got developed on machines with less power than your average "smart phone". |
| 08:55.31 | TomDV | superdepor: i'm looking into it actually |
| 08:55.33 | Arrowmaster | dr_traktor: if they are servers they shouldnt ever run from your user account |
| 08:55.42 | simonlnu | no kidding. |
| 08:55.51 | Bushmills | dr_traktor: stable or not, you could still misconfigure them in such a way that unwanted access in the shape of intrusion could take place |
| 08:56.21 | Arrowmaster | a lot of servers cant even be run from a user account |
| 08:56.39 | Bushmills | when a service, running from your account, gets compromised. potententially your user files are too |
| 08:56.41 | superdepor | TomDV: ok thanks... |
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| 08:57.40 | TomDV | there's some howto's around mentioning bootsplash, but last thing i recall from it is that it's not supported anymore |
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| 08:59.20 | TomDV | superdepor: this one should get you going: http://harrison3001.blogspot.com/2009/09/grub-2-graphical-boot-tips-to-set.html |
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| 09:00.35 | superdepor | TomDv: thanks I'll look in to it |
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| 09:03.20 | krmX | hi all, how do I set x11vnc to start at boot on squeeze, so that after restart I don't have to be phisically present at the machine and start x11vnc to login remotely? |
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| 09:04.13 | dr_traktor | simonlnu, Arrowmaster, Bushmills: Okay, point taken, thanks for the advice. |
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| 09:06.53 | krmX | I am trying to locate the Xsetup file, and maybe put an entry for x11vnc there, but cannot find it on squeeze |
| 09:07.31 | qqqqqq | how can i add multiple users (50+) to a debian box ? |
| 09:07.46 | Bushmills | Arrowmaster: i suppose he means dropping privileges after init, by changing user/group |
| 09:08.22 | Arrowmaster | right but he asked about just running them from his user account |
| 09:08.59 | Bushmills | qqqqqq: loop through useradd, set password with chpasswd |
| 09:09.27 | Arrowmaster | adduser, not useradd |
| 09:09.31 | Bushmills | (apart from creating and populating their home dirs) |
| 09:09.39 | Bushmills | useradd, not adduser. |
| 09:09.48 | Bushmills | adduser is interactive |
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| 09:10.25 | krmX | or is there another vnc implementation that is better suited for automatic starup on squeeze? |
| 09:10.36 | krmX | sorry to barge in the middle of a conversation |
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| 09:12.01 | jelly | krmX: do you want it to run after the user is (auto)logged in or before? |
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| 09:12.14 | krmX | jelly: before a user logs in |
| 09:12.37 | krmX | so that I can log in remotely if the power goes down and the server restarts etc. |
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| 09:12.50 | jelly | krmX: have you heard of ssh? |
| 09:13.02 | krmX | yes, I use it for CLI administration |
| 09:13.18 | jelly | servers typically don't need to run a local instance of X. |
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| 09:13.47 | krmX | so, I don't need vnc at all |
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| 09:14.02 | krmX | how do I connect to a remote X session from ssh? |
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| 09:14.19 | jelly | krmX: you don't need a remote X session, is what I'm implying |
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| 09:14.40 | krmX | what do I need then? |
| 09:14.46 | jelly | krmX: what do you use it for? |
| 09:14.46 | Arrowmaster | ssh |
| 09:14.50 | Bushmills | grin |
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| 09:15.22 | jelly | krmX: do you need any X-based apps to run permanently on the machine? |
| 09:15.29 | Bushmills | air, food, water, shelter, protective clothing, social interaction |
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| 09:16.14 | jelly | Bushmills: narrow your scope to the #debian channel context plz |
| 09:16.17 | qqqqqq | bushmills: in my passwd file for my user i have this: xyz:x:1000:1000:xyz,,,:/home/xyz:/bin/bash. is there a way that the next user to have 1001:1001 and so on ? |
| 09:16.32 | krmX | well, not really, it's a mail server. but I want to know how to get a remote X session |
| 09:16.37 | jelly | krmX: why? |
| 09:16.44 | Bushmills | qqqqqq: either adduser or useradd will pick the next free uid |
| 09:16.52 | jelly | krmX: typically you don't need one at all, ever. |
| 09:17.21 | krmX | jelly: are you implying I should do everything from CLI? |
| 09:17.30 | jelly | krmX: yes. |
| 09:17.56 | Bushmills | krmX: ssh -X or ssh -Y allows you to run remote x-clients, displaying on your local Xserver |
| 09:18.02 | qqqqqq | i tried with a script to add users but for some reason it picked 62 |
| 09:18.06 | jelly | I'm saying there's not much stuff to be done on servers that a GUI makes easier |
| 09:18.59 | krmX | jelly: other admins in my department have little CLI experience as they maintain only windows servers and I would like to make life easier for them by giving them a GUI (Xsession, vnc, etc...) |
| 09:19.04 | krmX | thx for the ssh tip |
| 09:19.37 | Bushmills | krmX: you'd make live even easier to them by convincing them to learn server administration from command line |
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| 09:20.10 | jelly | krmX: well. You might want to use vnc in a more unix-idiomatic way. That is, let each user start their own vncserver and an X session inside, instead of using the console session. |
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| 09:20.14 | petern_ | What tools do they use in the GUI? |
| 09:20.32 | petern_ | For mail server administration, I can't think of anything that wouldn't be done from a command line. |
| 09:20.37 | Arrowmaster | i was wondering the same |
| 09:20.45 | Bushmills | xeyes? |
| 09:20.49 | petern_ | :) |
| 09:20.50 | krmX | I teach them everything I know about CLI everyday |
| 09:20.55 | krmX | xeyes, lol |
| 09:20.57 | Arrowmaster | unless they are running a gui text editor |
| 09:21.04 | krmX | they want to run a virtualbox gui |
| 09:21.07 | jelly | krmX: alternatively, use a local X server on their workstations and make them start X apps on demand via ssh |
| 09:21.19 | Bushmills | virtualbox has its own vnc server built-in |
| 09:21.31 | Bushmills | ehm .sorry. mixed that up with kvm |
| 09:21.43 | petern_ | VirtualBox has an rdp server built-in. |
| 09:21.46 | Arrowmaster | virtualbox has rdp server builtin |
| 09:21.54 | jelly | virtualbox doesn't have a well adapter client-server model. |
| 09:22.01 | krmX | ssh seems the way to go then |
| 09:22.04 | jelly | so yeah, it might make sense to run the gui |
| 09:22.18 | jelly | I'd still run it in a separate vncserver |
| 09:22.37 | krmX | jelly: you mean run virtualbox in a separate vncserver? |
| 09:22.42 | jelly | krmX: yes |
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| 09:23.06 | jelly | krmX: running apps over ssh and X11 forwarding makes them stop when the ssh session is over |
| 09:23.20 | jelly | you might not want that |
| 09:23.54 | krmX | that wouldn't be good in this case, indeed |
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| 09:24.56 | krmX | when I said "mail server", I meant SOGo |
| 09:25.05 | krmX | I don't know if any of you have used it before |
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| 09:25.30 | krmX | I am setting it up as a secondary groupware serv. |
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| 09:26.27 | krmX | I had some trouble isntalling it on squeeze, that's why I want to try squeeze+virtualbox+SOGo |
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| 09:28.23 | krmX | thanks for all your help, you guys |
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| 09:40.57 | flamingspinach | I reported a bug but I can't find it anywhere on the bug tracker - do I just need to wait a bit longer for caches to update or something? |
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| 09:45.05 | krmX | how do I keep gdm isntalled but present a CLI login locally? |
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| 09:46.23 | flamingspinach | krmX: can't you just switch to vt2 or something? |
| 09:46.26 | stockholm | krmX: update-rc gdm i guess |
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| 09:46.37 | gnugr | !gdm |
| 09:46.37 | dpkg | <GNOME> Display Manager (GDM) is a <display manager> based on <xdm>, but with no original xdm code. Written with looks (and security) in mind. It uses ~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession. http://projects.gnome.org/gdm #gdm on irc.gimp.org. Not to be confused with the General Purpose Mouse (GPM) interface, see <gpm>. |
| 09:46.51 | krmX | why doesn't debian make distinctions between runlevels 2-5? |
| 09:47.21 | stockholm | krmX: legacy |
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| 09:47.32 | krmX | flamingspinach: I am not familiar with vt2 |
| 09:47.35 | puliszka | .i have just 12 monts |
| 09:47.46 | krmX | stockholm: I will try |
| 09:47.47 | stockholm | krmX: there are effords to not have runlevels as we know them |
| 09:47.48 | petemc | krmX: it leaves those free for customisation |
| 09:47.48 | puliszka | somebody knows how can i display a total of more years in webalizer i have just 12 months |
| 09:48.04 | krmX | I see, thank you |
| 09:48.13 | babilen | flamingspinach: Yes, it takes a while. Did you get the confirmation mail from the BTS already? |
| 09:50.15 | cornelinux | Hi, can I see from a debian package, when it was built? |
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| 09:52.21 | flamingspinach | babilen: yup |
| 09:52.44 | flamingspinach | krmX: virtual terminal 2 |
| 09:52.48 | flamingspinach | ctrl+alt+f2 |
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| 09:53.04 | flamingspinach | (though that doesn't present a CLI login automatically, you have to switch to it :) ) |
| 09:53.25 | babilen | flamingspinach: Give it some time then. It has been accepted and will be visible soonish. (max 30min) MAX! |
| 09:53.44 | flamingspinach | ok :) it's nothing important anyway, just a version bump request |
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| 09:55.15 | babilen | cornelinux: https://buildd.debian.org/ -- why are you interested in it? A look at the changelog in /usr/share/doc/PKG/changelog.Debian* or with "aptitude changelog PKG" might be sufficient for your needs though. |
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| 09:58.40 | cornelinux | babilen: I know it is a bit undebian like. I got a project consisting of many packages. Sometimes I do a small change (during internal QA process) without increasing the version number or adding anything to the changelog. *evil*. And then I got another package 2.3-rc2, with a slightly different content, but that is not worth being a rc3! |
| 09:59.48 | babilen | cornelinux: well, revisions (-N e.g. foo-1.2.3-1) might be a good idea. If you change the packaging increase its version. dch helps with that. |
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| 10:00.29 | quodt | hi, which source do i have to add to my sources.list on lenny if i like to install a newer version of libxml2 (i like to get 2.7.8.dfsg-2 and not the provided version 2.6.32.dfsg-5) |
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| 10:00.55 | babilen | ,versions libxml2 |
| 10:00.56 | judd | Package libxml2 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.32.dfsg-5+lenny3; lenny-security: 2.6.32.dfsg-5+lenny3; sid: 2.7.8.dfsg-2; squeeze: 2.7.8.dfsg-2; wheezy: 2.7.8.dfsg-2 |
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| 10:01.51 | quodt | judd: ok, sid. but how does the entry in sources.list looks like? |
| 10:02.21 | quodt | deb http://debian.inode.at/debian/ sid main non-free contrib ?? |
| 10:02.22 | babilen | quodt: You could upgrade to squeeze or backport it from there -- /msg dpkg ssb -- but that might not work as the applications that expect 2.6.32.dfsg-5+lenny3 might not work with that new version. |
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| 10:02.46 | babilen | quodt: No, you don't want to mix lenny with sid |
| 10:03.17 | babilen | quodt: Why do you need it? |
| 10:03.24 | quodt | but also don't like to upgrade to squeeze |
| 10:03.33 | babilen | why is that? |
| 10:03.43 | quodt | the xml parses fails on an file |
| 10:03.51 | quodt | on my mac it is working |
| 10:04.12 | quodt | my mac uses libxml version 20708 |
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| 10:04.35 | quodt | lenny uses libxml version 20632 |
| 10:04.36 | babilen | quodt: Please consider using punctuation characters in lieu of the enter key ;) |
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| 10:05.16 | themill | sticking with an older release just for an older libxml isn't really a tenable situation in the long term |
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| 10:05.35 | babilen | quodt: Ok, so we are actually speaking about libxml2-dev as you have an application that links against it? Why don't you want to upgrade to squeeze? |
| 10:05.42 | cornelinux | babilen: thanks for the hint. I think this may help. |
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| 10:06.26 | quodt | babilen: because this is a production machine and i do not know what problemes i will run into if i upgrade to squeeze |
| 10:06.56 | babilen | cornelinux: Take a look at the new maintainers guide, debian policy and the developers reference for more details. Also #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org is a better channel to discuss packaging related problems. Have a nice day and may you come up with an easy and supported workflow! |
| 10:07.22 | cornelinux | :-) thx |
| 10:07.29 | quodt | babilen: and yes, i'm using python binding linking agains libxml2 (lxml) |
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| 10:09.09 | fosstux | Hi! How do I have to configure apache to use a mail server, which runs on a different server than apache? |
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| 10:12.29 | babilen | quodt: How do you deploy that application? Another option would be to install the libxml2 version of your choice and compile python-libxml2 locally. You could use install your python-libxml2 version locally in, for example, a virtualenv that contains all your application specific modules. |
| 10:13.05 | babilen | quodt: All that being said: You *have* to upgrade to squeeze eventually and mapping out a migration plan is something you should do soon. |
| 10:13.30 | Bus3rr0r | fostuc, you may want to ask in the httpd channel, they have support for Apache |
| 10:13.33 | quodt | babilen: agree. |
| 10:13.39 | Bus3rr0r | fosstux* |
| 10:14.09 | quodt | babilen: i'll try to compile the python bindings agains a local build of libxml2 |
| 10:14.18 | quodt | babilen: thanks for your help |
| 10:14.19 | petemc | fosstux: how does apache use a mail server? is it not php or some other language? |
| 10:14.40 | fosstux | petemc: I think you're right |
| 10:14.42 | fosstux | thanks |
| 10:14.49 | babilen | quodt: Backporting libxml2{,-dev} from sid *might* be an option by I have no idea what other applications that could break and I can therefore not really recommend it. |
| 10:14.59 | babilen | quodt: Good luck! |
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| 10:18.38 | babilen | quodt: btw, elementtree is not an option? Or beautifusoup if you are working on html? |
| 10:19.09 | quodt | beautifulsoup is not, because i'm parsing xml |
| 10:19.26 | quodt | honestly, i did not try elementtree |
| 10:19.34 | quodt | so, i don't know |
| 10:20.24 | babilen | quodt: I would take a look at cElementTree -- but we are getting off-topic here as this is a better discussion to be held in #python. If you want, see you there. |
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| 10:21.38 | quodt | yes, you are right. i'll take a look if cElementTree can do what i need |
| 10:21.40 | quodt | thanks |
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| 10:22.52 | wolfric | what does debian use to "connect to server" under places when it connects to an ssh server |
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| 10:25.48 | krmX | stockholh: I tried update.rc-d gdm remove as you suggested but I get this: |
| 10:25.51 | krmX | http://paste.debian.net/112300/ |
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| 10:26.07 | manchot | I am using squeeze and I installed pkgs using aptitude install mysql-server mysql-client lighttpd php5-cgi phpmyadmin command |
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| 10:26.33 | manchot | however, when I try to visit the ip with phpmyadmin dir, I got 403 forbidden error |
| 10:26.34 | gnugr | wolfric: to connect to a server through ssh: ssh -l user <server's ip> |
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| 10:27.06 | manchot | http://11.22.33.44/phpmyadmin/ and there is a 403 forbidden error. |
| 10:27.17 | manchot | no other information was prompted on the page. |
| 10:27.21 | manchot | what's wrong? |
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| 10:28.04 | wolfric | gnugr: i know how to use use ssh i'm wondering how "connect to server" using ssh works since it seems to mount the filesystem of the server without a mount point being shown when i execute "mount" |
| 10:28.13 | manchot | shall I change the permission of /var/www to 777 or something? |
| 10:28.29 | manchot | shall I change the owner of www to www-data? |
| 10:28.34 | gnugr | manchot: phpmyadmin in /var/www must be in 'symlink' mode like this ~phpmyadmin |
| 10:28.55 | manchot | gnugr, symlink to what dir? |
| 10:29.08 | manchot | my www dir is empty right now |
| 10:29.28 | gnugr | manchot: do you know to use mc? |
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| 10:29.42 | manchot | shouldn't the installation take care of this? from where shall I create the symlink? |
| 10:29.49 | manchot | gnugr, is it revelent? |
| 10:30.34 | manchot | *relevent? |
| 10:30.47 | gnugr | yes |
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| 10:31.40 | gnugr | manchot: i use mc to do all those changes |
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| 10:33.34 | gnugr | manchot: ~phpmyadmin must also be "chown www-data:www-data" mode |
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| 10:33.52 | manchot | ok. let me try |
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| 10:34.59 | gnugr | chown -R www-data:www-data /var/www/~phpmyadmin |
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| 10:37.55 | manchot | gnugr, thank you |
| 10:38.23 | gnugr | manchot: works? |
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| 10:39.34 | gnugr | manchot: then http://localhost/phpmyadmin |
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| 10:44.06 | babilen | manchot: I would *strongly* recommend to read and follow /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/README.Debian.gz before doing anything else. |
| 10:46.30 | manchot | babilen, ok. thank you |
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| 10:47.00 | ethanol | I would strongly recommend never using phpmyadmin |
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| 10:48.19 | E-bola | If i upgraded a package (asterisk) yesterday but found problems and want to roll back to my old version how do i do that? I can only see the new version in aptitude |
| 10:48.32 | E-bola | I went from 1:1.6.2.6-1 -> 1:1.6.2.9-2+squeeze1 |
| 10:49.10 | babilen | ethanol: that too :) |
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| 10:58.48 | _mitch_ | hi guys |
| 10:59.04 | _mitch_ | who would i bug about the status of a package that didn't make it to testing yet? |
| 10:59.49 | _mitch_ | http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=cairo |
| 11:00.32 | themill | _mitch_: you need to fix some of the bugs mentioned in that list -- it's waiting for xorg to transition to testing too. |
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| 11:01.03 | Bushmills | bug the bugs :) |
| 11:01.05 | nio | hello |
| 11:01.49 | nio | i am having problem why i am not able to update apt list it is giving me gpg error i am using debian lenny |
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| 11:02.46 | nio | GPG error: http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
| 11:03.05 | nio | what does mean |
| 11:03.10 | _mitch_ | themill: well i can see that :) but e.g. the bug on pixman was determined to be not pixman weeks ago |
| 11:03.25 | Bushmills | nio, you may need to install or update debian-archive-keyring |
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| 11:04.31 | nio | bushmilla how to that i mean which command |
| 11:04.53 | Bushmills | apt-get or aptitude |
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| 11:05.42 | nio | bushmilla apt-get install debian-archive-keyring says that it is the newest one |
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| 11:07.35 | nio | can any one tell me why this is an error with the public gpg when it is there legimative debian |
| 11:07.35 | gnugr | nio: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=debian-archive-keyring |
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| 11:11.14 | krmX | I used "update-rc.d -f gdm3 remove" to try and get a console prompt at startup, rebooted, and now there is no picture after restart |
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| 11:11.21 | krmX | I can login in with ssh |
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| 11:12.10 | krmX | when I say "no picture", I mean the monitor connected to the vga port is offline |
| 11:12.21 | krmX | what could be the problem? |
| 11:12.22 | gnugr | krmX: why you did that? |
| 11:12.53 | krmX | gnugr: I didn't want the gdm greeter |
| 11:12.58 | krmX | but I wanted to keep gnome |
| 11:13.14 | krmX | I wanted the machine to boot into a console login |
| 11:13.21 | gnugr | krmX: gdm3 is gnome |
| 11:13.51 | gnugr | krmX: you just removed it |
| 11:13.52 | Bushmills | krmX: do you see kernel messages on screen when the machine boots? |
| 11:14.05 | krmX | up to a point, but then the monitor goes offline |
| 11:14.13 | krmX | I think it might be a resolution issue |
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| 11:14.42 | Bushmills | try to disable frame buffer console, by giving appropriate kernel boot parameter |
| 11:14.47 | krmX | gnugr: apt-get reports gdm3 is installed |
| 11:15.05 | krmX | Bushmills: what would those paramters be? |
| 11:15.16 | gnugr | krmX: listen to Bushmills |
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| 11:15.19 | Bushmills | not sure. something like nofb, but look it up |
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| 11:20.40 | krmX | Bushmills: is this what you meant - http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting#Disabling_KMS ? |
| 11:21.31 | Bushmills | no, it isn't |
| 11:21.49 | Bushmills | it is more like this one: http://superuser.com/questions/29656/monitor-turns-off-during-boot |
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| 11:25.52 | krmX | Bushmills: thx, I will try it |
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| 11:26.23 | Bushmills | click the "console framebuffer" link, it shows you ways to disable it |
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| 11:34.42 | krmX | Bushmills: I tried adding "vga=normal nomodeset" to the kernel line, it didn't help |
| 11:35.09 | krmX | booted with that option, the screen goes black again |
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| 11:39.14 | mosno | what is a good way/strategy to learn the contents of the debian archive? |
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| 11:39.24 | abrotman | learn what about it? |
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| 11:39.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | 'oh my god, its full of debs' |
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| 11:40.44 | Bushmills | mosno: take midnight commander, move cursor to a .deb, and press enter |
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| 11:41.05 | abrotman | did he mean a package archive? or a repository? |
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| 11:41.13 | viileppi | hello to all! |
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| 11:41.41 | viileppi | what command displays my current x-session color depth? |
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| 11:43.57 | mosno | Bushmills & abrotman: i meant repository. brb |
| 11:44.06 | abrotman | Bushmills: see! |
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| 11:44.29 | Bushmills | sees |
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| 11:46.17 | krmX | Bushmills: I paused the boot process because I saw this message: vga=normal is deprecated. Use set gfxpayload=text before linux command instead |
| 11:46.39 | krmX | which would mean I am using grub2 |
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| 11:49.19 | mosno | abrotman & Bushmills: i mean an efficient way of familiarising oneself with the repos. i know there's debtags, but these are incomplete or not ideally labelled in some cases. |
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| 11:50.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | mosno: what do you want to find out? |
| 11:50.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | mosno: what all 20K package are? read the Packages.gz files |
| 11:51.22 | Bushmills | more like 30k by now |
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| 11:52.58 | krmX | I tried adding "set gfxpayload=text" to the kernel line |
| 11:53.04 | krmX | same thing, black screen |
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| 11:56.16 | mosno | Kamping_Kaiser: i suppose there's that. or aptitude. i was just wondering if someone had a "nicer" way (whatever that may mean) |
| 11:57.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | mosno: there is no nice way to browse tens of thousands of packages |
| 11:58.12 | Bushmills | mosno: there is dselect |
| 11:58.16 | Bushmills | ducks |
| 11:58.29 | mosno | Bushmills: lol. i remember that from woody :) |
| 11:58.40 | mosno | Bushmills: i hated that thing |
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| 11:59.43 | Bushmills | reading long descriptions should actually require fewer keys, by being able to scroll down description with "d" key |
| 11:59.45 | Goonhost | Test |
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| 12:05.35 | mosno | Bushmills: you can scroll description with [az] in aptitude |
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| 12:07.18 | abrotman | mosno: what exactly do you want to see? |
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| 12:09.18 | mosno | abrotman: pretty much what is in Packages, but in a more easily digestable format. i guess i should bite the bullet and learn the advanced view features of aptitude |
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| 12:09.49 | Muisje | How can i fix diskspace issues on my /boot partition? |
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| 12:10.40 | Bushmills | Muisje: remove unneeded kernels |
| 12:10.43 | mAniAk-_- | remove stuff |
| 12:10.48 | mAniAk-_- | or make it larger |
| 12:11.07 | Muisje | i have 2 kernels installed, 2.6.26-2 and 2.6.32-5 |
| 12:11.15 | abrotman | so remove the one you don't use |
| 12:11.16 | Muisje | was going to upgrade, but it also upgraded grub |
| 12:11.40 | Muisje | And now it's in apt-get crashing because of disk shortage |
| 12:11.44 | Muisje | ^,^ |
| 12:11.54 | Muisje | doesn't aptitude check if the disk has enough free disk space? :p |
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| 12:12.32 | abrotman | Muisje: what is uname -r ? |
| 12:12.42 | Muisje | 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 12:12.55 | abrotman | why are you running the wrong kernel ? |
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| 12:13.07 | Muisje | Because i was upgrading to the new one |
| 12:13.16 | Muisje | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 12:13.23 | Muisje | gzip: stdout: No space left on device |
| 12:13.38 | Muisje | /dev/sda1 37M 31M 4.0M 89% /boot |
| 12:15.06 | Bushmills | Muisje: umounting /boot, installing new kernel and reinstalling grub should do |
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| 12:15.22 | Bushmills | assuming there's enough space on your / |
| 12:15.34 | Muisje | I'd like to know for SURE, not just "should" lol |
| 12:15.45 | Bushmills | i'm not going to try that out for you |
| 12:15.59 | Muisje | It's not as if i can go to the DC (4 hours drive) to go fix it if it breaks :) |
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| 12:16.17 | Muisje | Guess i'll keep it to the old kernel then |
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| 12:16.47 | krmX | arghhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 12:16.49 | krmX | sorry |
| 12:17.11 | krmX | this is driving me crazy, I still cannot get squeeze to boot to anything else but a black screen |
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| 12:17.32 | puliszka | get another screen |
| 12:17.35 | puliszka | :) |
| 12:17.42 | Bushmills | Muisje: for suggestions and advice about which you can be sure that they're good, you shouldn't ask on IRC |
| 12:17.42 | krmX | even after setting the "vga=normal" option in grub or set "gfxpaylaod=text" |
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| 12:18.02 | krmX | puliszka: it was working earlier today with gnome |
| 12:18.03 | Bushmills | instead, hire somebody to set it up for you |
| 12:18.21 | Muisje | Ok, so the best thing for me to do is |
| 12:18.31 | krmX | but then I ran "update-rc.d -f gdm3 remove", wanting a console login |
| 12:18.37 | krmX | not the gnome greeter |
| 12:18.42 | Muisje | google how to cancel apt-get from trying to continue installing linux-kernel-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 12:19.18 | Bushmills | Muisje: why would you trust the links google finds? |
| 12:19.20 | Muisje | make that kernel image :) |
| 12:19.40 | jelly | Muisje: "linux-image-*" |
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| 12:20.35 | Muisje | yeah |
| 12:20.36 | Muisje | that one |
| 12:20.37 | Muisje | :p |
| 12:20.38 | jelly | Muisje: your /boot is woefully too small, 100-200MB is a more sensible size |
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| 12:21.11 | zgedneil | mosno: re: learning about debian's packages, I would treat it like the internet and do searches, e.g. apt-cache search |
| 12:22.14 | jelly | Muisje: you could try wipin any current /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-amd64* and hope there's enough space to create one from scratch |
| 12:22.19 | mosno | zgedneil: i generally do, but somehow i think it would be valuable to know whats in the repos |
| 12:22.36 | zgedneil | the scale makes that impossible in any realistic way |
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| 12:24.17 | mosno | zgedneil: i know... if i read 100 packages per day, it would still take 10 months! |
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| 12:24.32 | zgedneil | mosno: get cracking :-) |
| 12:25.10 | flamingspinach | when I run `glxgears -info` I get "GL_RENDERER = Mesa DRI R300 (RV410 5653) 20090101 x86/MMX/SSE2 TCL DRI2" |
| 12:25.59 | flamingspinach | RV410 looks like the model number of my graphics card, but what are the x86/MMX/SSE2 doing there? (this is probably a massively stupid question) |
| 12:26.08 | Muisje | btw it seems an old kernel i once used for testing still exists. img-2.6.32-4-pve , how can i remove that in a good way? |
| 12:26.30 | zgedneil | flamingspinach: processor type and features |
| 12:26.52 | zgedneil | probably relevant to the software renderer I'd imagine |
| 12:26.54 | flamingspinach | right, but how is that relevant to the rendering device? |
| 12:27.08 | Bushmills | Muisje: reverse the procedure you used for installing it |
| 12:27.16 | zgedneil | I suppose even with hardware 3D they would still be somewhat relevant |
| 12:27.18 | flamingspinach | OK, but I figured it must be a hardware renderer since it mentioned my graphics card |
| 12:27.26 | flamingspinach | hmm, I guess so |
| 12:27.36 | zgedneil | yeah, I think SSE is useful still for hardware 3D, not sure about MMX though |
| 12:27.36 | Muisje | Bushmills to be honest, i completely removed it so i donno how that still can be there |
| 12:27.37 | Muisje | lol |
| 12:28.01 | Bushmills | i'd say that's a contradiction |
| 12:28.12 | Muisje | i agree |
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| 12:28.47 | aguitel | anyone use Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) |
| 12:28.48 | zgedneil | flamingspinach: actually, given that stuff's after a date it could just be build target/features |
| 12:29.03 | flamingspinach | oh, yeah, probably |
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| 12:29.29 | flamingspinach | I'm still getting abysmal framerates on glxgears though, like less than 100 fps, and with weird static |
| 12:29.39 | Bushmills | aguitel: most likely. i reckon anybody with a main board with that controller, who hasn't plugged in another video card, does. |
| 12:29.44 | Muisje | Bushmills : apt-get install proxmox-ve-2.6.32 is how to install it. and if i do apt-get remove it say can't find the package |
| 12:29.45 | Muisje | :) |
| 12:30.05 | zgedneil | in other news I get a massive 70 fps from glxgears here, the joys of fbdev :-) |
| 12:30.15 | Bushmills | ,versions proxmox-ve-2.6.32 |
| 12:30.17 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'proxmox-ve-2.6.32' was found in i386. |
| 12:30.19 | flamingspinach | lol, maybe it's my resolution |
| 12:30.35 | flamingspinach | I scaled it down to a couple hundred pixels square, now I'm getting 1500+ fps |
| 12:30.46 | Muisje | Bushmills you need an extra source in sources.list to get them |
| 12:30.48 | flamingspinach | but still with weird static everywhere... ugh |
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| 12:31.15 | zgedneil | flamingspinach: static makes me think DMA problems, but I don't really know |
| 12:31.29 | aguitel | Bushmills: how increase performanse with this card |
| 12:31.36 | Bushmills | Muisje: ask the package maintainer - the packaged removal scripts may be faulty. |
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| 12:32.43 | Bushmills | aguitel: as a general approach, sticking a faster CPU into your system would do. |
| 12:33.10 | Muisje | Bushmills so it's most likely |
| 12:33.21 | Muisje | that the initrd.im-2.6.32-4-pve was not removed |
| 12:33.32 | krmX | I tried with a different monitor, but still I get a black screen |
| 12:33.38 | krmX | this is driving me crazy |
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| 12:34.03 | Bushmills | Muisje: removal scripts of 3rd-party packages are frequently not very well tested, |
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| 12:34.22 | Muisje | Bushmills i only see a initrd of it |
| 12:34.47 | Bushmills | i suppose you can clean up the collateral damage by removing it manually |
| 12:34.58 | zgedneil | krmX: I'm not sure if this would help but have you tried getting a grub command-line and specifying kernel etc. manually |
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| 12:36.25 | krmX | zgedneil: I didn't, but should editting boot parameters from cli make any difference? |
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| 12:36.28 | krmX | I will try it now |
| 12:36.37 | Muisje | or i could reinstall the kernel and remove it riht away |
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| 12:37.13 | Muisje | dpkg: warning: while removing pve-kernel-2.6.32-4-pve, directory '/lib/modules/2.6.32-4-pve' not empty so not removed. |
| 12:37.13 | dpkg | Muisje: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 12:37.20 | Muisje | Yay |
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| 12:40.21 | zgedneil | krmX: I was wondering if that would effectively remove any options being passed, in case that was the problem |
| 12:40.23 | Muisje | Bushmills, do you think i can move that directory without seriously ruining my server? |
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| 12:40.36 | Muisje | remove* |
| 12:41.08 | krmX | zgedneil: tried it now, the problem persists |
| 12:41.14 | flamingspinach | zgedneil: hmm, I see... |
| 12:41.27 | nkuttler | Muisje: well if you removed the kernel you don't need the modules anyway |
| 12:41.31 | flamingspinach | the longer I keep glxgears running the more static starts appearing |
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| 12:42.04 | Muisje | then why doesn't he remove the libs when i remove the kernel? |
| 12:42.04 | flamingspinach | and generally the regions to the left and right of the glxgears window are static-free |
| 12:42.05 | Muisje | :p |
| 12:42.12 | Muisje | instead of removing both it removes nothing lol |
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| 12:42.31 | zgedneil | flamingspinach: I suppose it could also be a driver problem |
| 12:42.36 | flamingspinach | also after glxgears runs for a while the X server seems to start spazzing out |
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| 12:42.55 | flamingspinach | like, windows suddenly jerk out of place and return within a couple of frames |
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| 12:43.08 | flamingspinach | and it's not the window manager, since the X background image is doing it too |
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| 12:43.46 | flamingspinach | a driver problem? :/ I'm just using the standard radeon driver... I figured it should be pretty mature by now, considering my card is five years old or so |
| 12:44.18 | zgedneil | well, such problems are usually either software or hardware I find :-) so take your pick |
| 12:44.46 | zgedneil | static sounds more hardware-ish though |
| 12:45.01 | zgedneil | could it be overheating? |
| 12:45.23 | flamingspinach | maybe, but I see no problems on windows (though it's been a couple months since I booted windows, lol, maybe I should try again) |
| 12:45.37 | flamingspinach | even when running games and such, which surely must be more taxing than glxgears :) |
| 12:45.50 | zgedneil | more static for a longer run makes me think of maybe a broken fan or similar |
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| 12:46.09 | zgedneil | glxgears should be pretty demanding, it does run full tilt |
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| 12:46.43 | flamingspinach | yeah, I guess it does |
| 12:46.58 | zgedneil | admittedly no textures or anything but still :-) |
| 12:47.19 | Muisje | /dev/sda1 37M 25M 11M 71% /boot <-- yay i got it removed |
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| 12:47.34 | flamingspinach | well, that's unsettling :/ well, it's probably not worth trying to fix - this laptop's pretty old by now, haha |
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| 12:49.26 | karlpinc | Muisje: You need to purge the kernel package to remove it. |
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| 12:55.23 | zitune | hi everybody |
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| 12:55.34 | DammitJim | hi |
| 12:55.43 | zitune | i'm looking for a way to install qt6 on sid |
| 12:55.48 | zitune | qt4.6 |
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| 12:56.36 | zitune | i put squeeze repo in my sources.list and put http://pastebin.com/SwuQpHge in my preferences but it doesn't work |
| 12:56.58 | zitune | have anybody an idea ? |
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| 12:58.17 | zitune | (of course Qt in sqeeze is at the right version) |
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| 13:05.08 | krmX | list of things I tried: 1. I tried setting "vga=normal" in grub options but I get "vga=normal is deprecated. Use set gfxpayload=text before linux command instead" |
| 13:05.08 | krmX | 2. I tried setting "set gfxpayload=text", again black screen after grub starts booting |
| 13:05.08 | krmX | 3. I tried with a different monitor, same difference |
| 13:05.08 | krmX | 4. I tried entering grub cli and setting the options there |
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| 13:05.46 | krmX | http://paste.debian.net/112307 |
| 13:05.53 | krmX | I am running out of idead |
| 13:05.56 | krmX | *ideas |
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| 13:10.36 | zgedneil | did vga=normal work in any fashion? deprecated usually means it still works but you get a warning... |
| 13:11.30 | babilen | krmX: Read "info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'", edit /etc/default/grub and define GRUB_GFXMODE=WIDTHxHEIGHT and GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text -- run "update-grub" afterwards and check if that had the effect you are after. What are you trying to achieve? |
| 13:11.48 | zgedneil | I think getting it to boot with a visible screen is the priority |
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| 13:12.32 | babilen | disabling kms might be worth a try too (not that it really is a good option, rather a workaround) |
| 13:12.52 | zgedneil | krmX: I don't support it's intel graphics hardware is it? |
| 13:13.07 | zgedneil | don't suppose :-) |
| 13:13.45 | diegol_ | Hello! Anyone had problems with debian squeeze and megaraid 9240? |
| 13:14.05 | babilen | diegol_: be the first |
| 13:14.15 | zgedneil | krmX: if it is you might want to edit /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf |
| 13:14.26 | babilen | !tell diegol_ about anyone |
| 13:14.30 | krmX | zgedneil: vga=normal did not work |
| 13:14.54 | zgedneil | krmX: don't think that would override kms |
| 13:15.18 | babilen | krmX: grub is configured in /etc/default/grub (see above) |
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| 13:15.20 | krmX | babilen: I am trying to get any kind of picture on the screen during and after boot, e.g. a login prompt |
| 13:15.35 | babilen | !kms |
| 13:15.35 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 13:15.46 | babilen | krmX: You get absolutely no output on the screen? |
| 13:16.07 | krmX | babilen: yes, completely black |
| 13:16.24 | zgedneil | I know on intel graphics hardware here I had to disable kms to get a text boot, no matter what else I tried |
| 13:16.29 | babilen | krmX: You don't see the BIOS messages, not the grub menu nothing? |
| 13:16.57 | krmX | babilen: I see the grub menu, I can edit it, append kernel parameters and then soem messages appear |
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| 13:17.07 | krmX | and then completely black from that point |
| 13:17.11 | zgedneil | it really sounds like kms |
| 13:17.35 | babilen | krmX: Ok, that's quite a difference. I would try the solution I outlined above and would disable KMS afterwards. (see dpkg's factoid) |
| 13:17.58 | diegol_ | I have a problem installing debian squeeze on a Intel server with a lsi RAID card. Installation freezes when partitioning and megasas process outputs a timeout. This is a known bug on squeeze? |
| 13:18.20 | babilen | and yes, that's KMS -- but lets try to set the graphicsmode correctly first. The vga= kopts are deprecated. |
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| 13:19.54 | krmX | I will try it, thanks you guys |
| 13:19.55 | gnugr | krmX: try this: gconftool-2 --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager gnome-wm it might help you |
| 13:20.15 | babilen | krmX: No, don't do that. |
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| 13:21.21 | zgedneil | friends don't let friends use GNOME, or something :-) |
| 13:21.27 | krmX | lol |
| 13:21.44 | babilen | It's not that, but GNOME has nothing to do with this problem. |
| 13:21.53 | zgedneil | hey, we're all using supercomputers nowadays, why not? heh |
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| 13:25.34 | abrotman | hugs alpine |
| 13:26.16 | mha_ | which debian release I have ? Lenny, squeeze etc?? |
| 13:26.19 | cylinc | how to disable the gnome automount feature, using "gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type bool --set /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/automount_media false" , but failed with "no such entry" |
| 13:26.47 | zgedneil | if only all commands were that easy to use |
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| 13:27.32 | zgedneil | I think you might need some extra verbiage on the "false" maybe? |
| 13:27.33 | Muisje | http://pastebin.com/hH5TiMFG <-- anyone knows how to find out why it's not working? :/ |
| 13:28.41 | Bushmills | cylinc: try .... /apps/nautilus/preferences/media_automount false |
| 13:28.48 | babilen | cylinc: automounting has been merged into nautilus. Start gconf-editor and check the settings for nautilus |
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| 13:29.12 | zgedneil | Muisje: the key is probably line 15, "subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" |
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| 13:29.56 | themill | predicts "skip-bdb" |
| 13:30.26 | themill | Muisje: look in the mysql log files for an from attempting to start the mysql daemon. |
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| 13:30.39 | zgedneil | mha_: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 13:31.38 | Bushmills | double-quoting "false" may also help |
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| 13:34.04 | Muisje | it was skip-dbd |
| 13:34.27 | Muisje | had to remove it from the config.. not that i was using berkelyDB |
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| 13:34.55 | zgedneil | on the plus side, nobody could possibly have predicted that |
| 13:35.08 | overrider | sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb is great since it lets me copy a partioning scheme from one disk to another. Useful when preparing a replacement drive for a mdadm array. What would be a counterpart of that command for GPT based partition tables? |
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| 13:35.37 | Big_Aziz | hi people |
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| 13:37.17 | mha_ | zgedneil: this gices you the debian version eg 6.1 with the name used by many commentators |
| 13:37.35 | zgedneil | mha_: that's not sufficient? |
| 13:37.48 | zgedneil | check a virtual console then, the login will name the release |
| 13:37.59 | cylinc | @Bushmills, yes ,it works ,thanks |
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| 13:38.41 | mha_ | zgend: but many comments on the net refer to Leeny, squeeze, etc which is not shown by version |
| 13:38.51 | mha_ | zgedneil: but many comments on the net refer to Leeny, squeeze, etc which is not shown by version |
| 13:39.38 | cylinc | @babilen, thanks, nice tool |
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| 13:41.35 | zgedneil | mha_: did you try it? |
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| 13:51.41 | zgedneil | mha_: also, 4=etch 5=lenny 6=squeeze |
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| 13:57.00 | Amnesia | hm isnt nping in the nmap package of debian? |
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| 13:59.39 | Amnesia | anyone/ |
| 13:59.53 | Amnesia | !judd nping |
| 13:59.53 | dpkg | amnesia, you probably want to address that to judd, not to me. (Hint: leave off the ! in your command -- that's there to grab my attention not judd's) |
| 14:00.16 | jelly | Amnesia: what are you trying to do? |
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| 14:02.15 | WaterRatj | Whats the name of the openssl dev files? can't find it on squueze? |
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| 14:02.32 | petemc | WaterRatj: libssl-dev |
| 14:02.40 | WaterRatj | thjanks |
| 14:02.47 | Amnesia_ | judd nping |
| 14:03.05 | Amnesia_ | !judd version nping |
| 14:03.05 | dpkg | amnesia_, you probably want to address that to judd, not to me. (Hint: leave off the ! in your command -- that's there to grab my attention not judd's) |
| 14:03.10 | Amnesia_ | ugh.. |
| 14:03.15 | zgedneil | you might be thinking of "!tell judd about nping"? |
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| 14:05.19 | Amnesia_ | !tell judd about nping |
| 14:05.27 | Amnesia_ | ah lame |
| 14:05.48 | flamingspinach | what package provides the command line tool "GET"? |
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| 14:06.05 | flamingspinach | (mozilla.debian.net tells me to use it but my system doesn't seem to have it) |
| 14:06.32 | petemc | flamingspinach: libwww-perl |
| 14:06.40 | flamingspinach | thanks! |
| 14:06.53 | petemc | np |
| 14:06.58 | flamingspinach | did you just know that off the top of your head, or is there some way to find out these things? |
| 14:07.06 | flamingspinach | (I would have googled but "get" is rather vague) |
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| 14:07.59 | Bushmills | flamingspinach: apt-file |
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| 14:08.21 | flamingspinach | ironically, I don't seem to have THAT installed :) |
| 14:08.46 | Bushmills | i suppose that's why you didn't consult it |
| 14:08.52 | petemc | like rain on your wedding day? |
| 14:08.59 | flamingspinach | well, no, it was because I didn't know about it |
| 14:09.11 | flamingspinach | petemc: nope |
| 14:09.28 | petemc | like a free ride that you just didnt take? |
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| 14:09.34 | flamingspinach | not really |
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| 14:10.16 | dvs | petemc: the good advice you just can't take? ;-) |
| 14:10.31 | petemc | :) |
| 14:10.57 | dvs | (and it's a free ride when you've already paid) |
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| 14:11.32 | Amnesia_ | does anyone know about nping over her? |
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| 14:18.50 | niram | hi all, i need a more recent megaraid_sas driver for a server i am installing |
| 14:19.02 | mha_ | zgedneil: sorry I was a way |
| 14:19.02 | niram | if i compile the module and place it inside the initrd |
| 14:19.06 | niram | of the installer |
| 14:19.10 | niram | will it be loaded? |
| 14:19.42 | niram | i know that netinstall is downloading some modules when detecting the disk controllers and stuff |
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| 14:19.53 | niram | and i need to override the default module, with the one i compiled |
| 14:19.59 | niram | i am installing from pxe |
| 14:20.06 | mha_ | zgedneil: so 6.0.1 means squeeze? |
| 14:20.40 | _xD | sdf |
| 14:20.43 | niram | anybody? |
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| 14:23.38 | zgedneil | mha_: 6.0.1 was released recently, that's squeeze yes |
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| 14:24.00 | andihit | hi, what's this: ulimit: 88: error setting limit (Operation not permitted) when starting apache2 as root? |
| 14:24.23 | pipeline | andihit: whatever limit being set exceeds the system-wide maximums |
| 14:24.33 | petemc | niram: not an answer to your specific question, but if you track down the install cds with firmware included (firmware-foo-amd64.iso) i believe they have more support for that hardware |
| 14:24.37 | pipeline | andihit: check the script, find out which limit is exceeded, edit /etc/security/limits.conf to increase the system-wide max |
| 14:25.13 | mha_ | zgedneil: I guess they should put the name in the version file or somewhere to make life easy for people like me |
| 14:25.30 | niram | petemc: thanks |
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| 14:26.29 | zgedneil | mha_: http://lmgtfy.com/ |
| 14:27.08 | zgedneil | or hell, even wikipedia |
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| 14:27.10 | andihit | pipeline: in this file, all lines are commented (and I have no idea what limit apache is trying to set - this is new since the last apache2-package-upgrade) |
| 14:27.46 | pipeline | andihit: limits.conf is going to be all-commented, yes. You'll have to trace down the stack of scripts until you find which script, on line 88, attempted to increase a limit with ulimit. |
| 14:28.36 | pipeline | andihit: btw, the limit being touched is probably file descriptors. The default max number of file descriptors in debian is hilariously low, like 1024 per process or something. You cuold go ahead and bump that to 16384 or so in limits.conf speculatively and just see if it makes the problem go away. |
| 14:28.37 | zgedneil | mha_: if you really want the name in the version file, upgrade to testing :-) |
| 14:28.58 | pipeline | andihit: hell bump it to 65536, who cares. ;) |
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| 14:31.29 | mha_ | zgedneil: thanx |
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| 14:32.35 | sylar | is there trash can for netatalk? |
| 14:32.36 | andihit | pipeline: just tried a grep -R ulimit * in /etc - found only 1 commented line in /etc/apache2/envvars and some realted to dovecot - where is this file? ;) |
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| 14:34.51 | kenifanying | hi guys, I delete /etc/vim/vimrc , how to get it back? |
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| 14:35.30 | neurolysis | kenifanying: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 14:36.06 | kenifanying | neurolysis,dpkg-reconfigure vim? |
| 14:36.31 | neurolysis | kenifanying: i've not used debian in years so can't vouch for it, but afaik that should work |
| 14:36.35 | neurolysis | man dpkg-reconfigure |
| 14:36.39 | dr_traktor | What do I have to do to be able to use a screen from a user account? I changed the ownership of one of the ttys listed in /dev/ to the user, but I'm getting the error message 'Cannot open your terminal '/dev/ttyp1' - please check.' Now ttyp1 is not owned by this user because it is used by another (and it works for the other). |
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| 14:38.28 | kenifanying | neurolysisï¼it's no use to run dpkg-reconfigure vim. any other suggestions? |
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| 14:38.39 | petemc | !tell kenifanying about confmiss |
| 14:38.43 | dr_traktor | When I change ownership of ttyp1 then it says: 'Cannot open your terminal '/dev/ttyp0' - please check.' |
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| 14:39.24 | dr_traktor | If I change ttyp0 it says blablabla ttyp2 |
| 14:39.33 | dr_traktor | Its always choosing one thats not his. |
| 14:39.41 | erAbuelo | hola |
| 14:40.35 | pipeline | dr_traktor: gnu screen has its own method of screen sharing via local unix fifo, use it |
| 14:40.44 | pipeline | dr_traktor: changing permissions on pseudo-ttys is kinda dumb |
| 14:41.09 | pipeline | dr_traktor: because ptys get allocated and reallocated at will... |
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| 14:42.16 | dr_traktor | pipeline: I never liked the method myself anyway. Whats this method called that I should use? |
| 14:42.23 | zgedneil | pipeline: I don't think anything will automatically use ttyp0 these days |
| 14:42.52 | abcd82 | kenifanying: the package your interested in is not vim, but vim-common |
| 14:43.05 | pipeline | dr_traktor: man screen, search for the -x option |
| 14:43.32 | petemc | doesnt screen need to be suid to do multiuser stuff? |
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| 14:44.16 | zgedneil | you could also share a screen with VNC, I imagine that's a more common approach |
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| 14:45.05 | dr_traktor | Didn't understand what the man said about it but I used the x option anyway. I still get 'Cannot open your terminal '/dev/ttyp0' - please check.' |
| 14:45.11 | dr_traktor | pipeline: ^^^^ |
| 14:45.22 | jhutchins_lt | !tell kenifanying about confmiss |
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| 14:47.02 | kenifanying | petemcï¼jhutchins_lt, thanksï¼ i will try it later. |
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| 14:48.31 | pipeline | dr_traktor: read the damn man page. It should be obvious that someone else's screen process can't open YOUR pty. |
| 14:48.52 | pipeline | dr_traktor: and yes, you will need to make screen suid |
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| 14:50.28 | petemc | when i wanted to share a screen session with someone, i would hack around it with chown user `tty` ; su user ; screen -x |
| 14:50.39 | petemc | messy |
| 14:51.22 | dr_traktor | I dont even understand what sharing a screen means. |
| 14:51.33 | petemc | 2 people 1 screen session |
| 14:51.42 | babilen | x11vnc ? |
| 14:51.43 | dr_traktor | I don't want to do such thing. |
| 14:51.47 | babilen | !x11vnc |
| 14:51.47 | dpkg | x11vnc is a <VNC> server for displaying the running X session. Ask me about <vnc setup> to use with SSH. http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/faq.html |
| 14:52.06 | Bushmills | petemc: tmux makes that easy too |
| 14:52.12 | dr_traktor | I just want to run screen. With a simple user account. Thats it. |
| 14:52.17 | Bushmills | simply "tmux attach" |
| 14:52.30 | Bushmills | but tmux is not in squeeze, afaik |
| 14:53.01 | Bushmills | ,versions tmux |
| 14:53.04 | judd | Package tmux on i386 -- lenny-backports: 1.3-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.3-2; sid: 1.4-5; wheezy: 1.4-5 |
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| 14:53.10 | Bushmills | oh, it is |
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| 14:53.51 | Bushmills | dr_traktor: tmux is a bit like screen, but can also tile panes |
| 14:54.25 | dr_traktor | Bushmills: I don't care for that but thanks :) |
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| 14:55.09 | Bushmills | many keyboard commands are the same as screen, only defaulting to ctrl-b instead of ctrl-a to start |
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| 14:56.14 | kenifanying | another question, vim-tiny is default installed in squeeze , can i remove it and then use vim instead of it? vim-tiny no help file. Sorry, my english is not so good. |
| 14:56.41 | dr_traktor | Okay, it works now I had to add rw rights for everyone. |
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| 14:58.15 | dr_traktor | Ah, this is messy. |
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| 14:59.41 | abrotman | kenifanying: just install the vim package .. |
| 14:59.43 | babilen | kenifanying: Sure, just install the vim package of your liking. "aptitude search ~n^vim-" will show you the available ones. |
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| 15:01.31 | smacnay | Can someone recommend a desktop sys monitor app, like gkrellm, that integrates well on the desktop? I am using gnome. |
| 15:01.33 | kenifanying | but, vim-tiny and vim no conflict? |
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| 15:04.27 | flamingspinach | `apt-get update` ends with some 404s, such as |
| 15:04.27 | flamingspinach | W: Failed to fetch http://mirror.nus.edu.sg/Debian/dists/wheezy/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found |
| 15:04.43 | flamingspinach | indeed no such file exists, but it doesn't exist on ftp.us.debian.org either |
| 15:04.50 | flamingspinach | nor on ftp.au.debian.org |
| 15:05.00 | flamingspinach | similar URLs with .gz or .bz2 appended do exist, though |
| 15:05.26 | flamingspinach | am I doing anything wrong? |
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| 15:09.54 | frikinz_ | flamingspinach: which debian is this? |
| 15:10.05 | flamingspinach | wheezy |
| 15:10.24 | frikinz_ | flamingspinach: error in sources.list probably |
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| 15:11.23 | flamingspinach | frikinz_: what do you mean? |
| 15:12.14 | flamingspinach | though http://mirror.nus.edu.sg/Debian/dists/wheezy/main/binary-i386/Packages is a 404 in a browser, http://mirror.nus.edu.sg/Debian/dists/wheezy/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 is not, so that means the directory structure specified in my sources.list must be correct, right? |
| 15:13.07 | frikinz_ | flamingspinach: pastebin it? |
| 15:13.32 | flamingspinach | ok, hang on... |
| 15:13.44 | frikinz_ | weren't old debian using an uncompressed Packages? |
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| 15:16.23 | ace0x2a | hi |
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| 15:17.31 | ace0x2a | i tried to install runit but it always fails |
| 15:17.33 | ace0x2a | http://dpaste.com/526689/ |
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| 15:18.01 | flamingspinach | frikinz_: http://pastebin.com/J89DcuJV |
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| 15:20.15 | ace0x2a | when i delete /var/lib/dpkg/info/runit* and /var/cache/apt/archives/runit* it works first, but if i install git-daemon-run i get this: warning: git-daemon: unable to open supervise/ok: file does not exist |
| 15:21.07 | sekon | ace0x2a: try stopping git |
| 15:21.12 | sekon | sv down git- |
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| 15:21.22 | sekon | *move the dit out of /etc/service |
| 15:21.33 | sekon | rm -rf supervise |
| 15:21.46 | frikinz_ | flamingspinach: looks good |
| 15:21.53 | sekon | and move the dir back into /etc/service |
| 15:22.09 | flamingspinach | and yet, 404s :/ |
| 15:22.16 | sekon | runit should pickit up in ~5 sec |
| 15:22.32 | sekon | see if the service is running by doing ps axf | grep git |
| 15:22.34 | ace0x2a | sudo sv down git |
| 15:22.34 | ace0x2a | fail: git: unable to change to service directory: file does not exist |
| 15:22.42 | sekon | ignore errror |
| 15:23.01 | sekon | this time around |
| 15:23.14 | ace0x2a | sekon: in /etc/service is only git-daemon |
| 15:23.25 | sekon | ace0x2a: move it |
| 15:23.28 | ace0x2a | i dont want to run it with runit later, i want to use a init script |
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| 15:23.40 | sekon | then goto /etc/service |
| 15:23.47 | sekon | do sv down git-* |
| 15:23.55 | sekon | then do sv s git-* |
| 15:24.01 | sekon | to confirm its down |
| 15:24.08 | frikinz_ | flamingspinach: when you run "apt-cache policy apt dpkg" which "installed" versions does it give? |
| 15:24.11 | sekon | then goto inittab |
| 15:24.31 | sekon | and then move back to sysinit (if you replaced init) |
| 15:24.38 | flamingspinach | frikinz_: 1.15.8.10 for dpkg and 0.8.13 for apt |
| 15:24.49 | sekon | find a initscript and then put it in /etc/init.d |
| 15:24.53 | sekon | ace0x2a: ^ |
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| 15:26.14 | ace0x2a | sekon: okay i moved it back to /etc/service and done sv down git-* and i got the same output warning: git-daemon: unable to open supervise/ok: file does not exist |
| 15:26.17 | jhutchins_lt | sekon: Are you just abbreviating 'service', or do you havean sv command? |
| 15:26.22 | flamingspinach | frikinz_: it lists the installed dpkg version as being both in /var/lib/dpkg/status (local) and on mirror.nus.edu.sg squeeze/main (my Debian mirror), but the installed version of apt is only in local - 0.8.10.3 is in squeeze/main on mirror.nus.edu.sg |
| 15:26.24 | ace0x2a | this is okay right? |
| 15:26.30 | sekon | jhutchins_lt: sv it is |
| 15:26.39 | flamingspinach | (I guess since it's 404ing on wheezy it can't see that 0.8.13 is in wheezy/main) |
| 15:26.41 | flamingspinach | (assuming it is) |
| 15:26.49 | jhutchins_lt | sekon: What distribution are you running? |
| 15:27.10 | flamingspinach | (packages.debian.org confirms apt 0.8.13 is in wheezy) |
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| 15:27.42 | sekon | jhutchins_lt: debian and we are talking about runit |
| 15:27.51 | sekon | ace0x2a: |
| 15:27.53 | sekon | Svscan goes bersek! |
| 15:27.53 | sekon | If PATH does not include /usr/local/bin, svscan cannot run its pal supervise, and you'll get: |
| 15:27.56 | sekon | /service/dnscache: unable to open supervise/ok: file does not exist |
| 15:27.59 | sekon | from |
| 15:28.01 | sekon | http://www.fredshack.com/docs/djbdns.html |
| 15:28.29 | sekon | bascially svscan is a precursor to runit (in a sort of way) |
| 15:28.37 | ace0x2a | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.37 | ace0x2a | /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
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| 15:28.46 | frikinz_ | flamingspinach: you use no proxy? |
| 15:28.51 | jhutchins_lt | sekon: Interesting. |
| 15:28.53 | flamingspinach | no proxy, no |
| 15:29.07 | ace0x2a | sekon: its a known issue? |
| 15:29.19 | sekon | ace0x2a: it is not an issue |
| 15:29.31 | sekon | ace0x2a: the easiest fix IMHO |
| 15:29.35 | sekon | is a reboot |
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| 15:29.44 | sekon | and seeing if you got the same error |
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| 15:30.05 | ace0x2a | i guess its a issue if i do sudo aptitude git-daemon-run and runit fails in a default installation on different computers |
| 15:30.05 | sekon | ace0x2a: basicaly something in runit world went kaboom |
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| 15:31.07 | sekon | ace0x2a: runit failed installation ?? |
| 15:31.14 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions firefox |
| 15:31.15 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'firefox' was found in i386. |
| 15:31.22 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions iceweasel |
| 15:31.23 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-5~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-5; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-6; wheezy: 3.5.17-1; sid: 3.5.18-1; experimental: 4.0-3 |
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| 15:32.02 | sekon | ace0x2a: copy the run file |
| 15:32.09 | sekon | if there is a log dir |
| 15:32.14 | sekon | copy the run file |
| 15:32.30 | sekon | and basically copy every other text file |
| 15:32.38 | sekon | in git-* dir |
| 15:32.56 | sekon | create a seperate dir outside /etc/service calling it mygit |
| 15:33.17 | sekon | put all the files found in /etc/service/git-* inside mygit |
| 15:33.26 | abrotman | wtf |
| 15:33.28 | sekon | take note of permissions |
| 15:33.30 | frikinz_ | flamingspinach: but the 404 message is about Packages.gz not Packages right? try to wget the Packages.gz from the same shell. That'll be my last idea.. |
| 15:33.32 | abrotman | why are you telling him all of this crazy stuff? |
| 15:33.53 | sekon | abrotman: he needs git running ?? |
| 15:34.01 | abrotman | holy uselessly complicated |
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| 15:34.20 | sekon | abrotman: better than a 500 line LSB init script IMHO |
| 15:34.26 | flamingspinach | frikinz_: no, the 404 message is about Packages, not Packages.gz |
| 15:34.34 | flamingspinach | and Packages indeed does not exist on the site, whereas Packages.gz does |
| 15:34.40 | abrotman | sekon: try not to screw up someone else's machine |
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| 15:34.54 | sekon | abrotman: have you even touched runit ?? |
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| 15:35.11 | sekon | abrotman: try not to piss all over random stranger s |
| 15:35.23 | squidly | I have a custom package repo and a couple of my hosts are not showing the packages listed in there.. but other system are.. |
| 15:35.40 | squidly | how can I troubleshoot this? |
| 15:36.02 | squidly | the /etc/apt/sources.list is the same on all the systems, bot affected and none affected systems |
| 15:36.08 | abrotman | sekon: i would never! |
| 15:36.20 | ace0x2a | sekon: well, i can do this of course, but this sounds like a dirty hack |
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| 15:36.47 | sekon | ace0x2a: easiest solution == reboot, if that fails |
| 15:36.51 | abrotman | wtf |
| 15:36.54 | ace0x2a | i would'nt do this on a productive system because there is something wrong and this is just a woraround |
| 15:37.07 | ace0x2a | abrotman: its linux, i would never reboot ;) |
| 15:37.14 | abrotman | ace0x2a: a "set -x" in the package scripts would probably help you debug |
| 15:37.24 | sekon | sighs |
| 15:37.41 | squidly | uptime is good if you need it :D |
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| 15:37.44 | sekon | ace0x2a: production or not there is only two ways to fix this .. do you want to or not |
| 15:37.52 | squidly | but if you need to reboot then you have to. |
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| 15:38.21 | abrotman | ace0x2a: can you put all of your errors in a single pastebin? |
| 15:38.30 | sekon | but since abrotman is keen on telling wTF's |
| 15:38.38 | sekon | let him help you fix this |
| 15:38.39 | abrotman | yes .. well .. |
| 15:39.03 | ace0x2a | sekon: abrotman i already posted it here: http://dpaste.com/526689/ |
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| 15:39.25 | ace0x2a | this is the output on a default netinstall. I get this on different computer |
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| 15:39.43 | abrotman | ace0x2a: put a "set -x" on the second line of /var/lib/dpkg/info/runit.postinst |
| 15:39.45 | sts | hello folks. i'm trying to install red5-server package from squeeze, but it doesn't seem to work. currently trying to debug the issue. it complains about: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: javax/servlet/http/HttpServlet |
| 15:39.47 | sekon | abrotman: this is a known issue |
| 15:39.48 | abrotman | ace0x2a: then try again |
| 15:40.30 | ElDiabolo | Is there an easy way to set up debian as a wlan access point. |
| 15:40.33 | ElDiabolo | ? |
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| 15:40.52 | abrotman | ElDiabolo: there are a fair number of docs about this on the internet .. for starters, it dependson your wifi card |
| 15:41.00 | jae | My bind doesn't want to listen to ipv6... no changes to default config that I'm aware of (it has the default listen-on-v6 { any } stanza) What to check? |
| 15:41.35 | jae | Running sid, no ACLs at all |
| 15:41.41 | ElDiabolo | abrotman, OK, so no easy way .... thx. |
| 15:41.51 | ace0x2a | abrotman: http://dpaste.com/526695/ |
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| 15:43.06 | abrotman | ace0x2a: moment |
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| 15:43.41 | abrotman | ace0x2a: you can comment out the 'kill' line |
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| 15:44.29 | sekon | ace0x2a: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=605912 |
| 15:44.31 | sekon | see |
| 15:44.35 | JuanDaugherty | how do you identify the release of a running instance? |
| 15:44.45 | danderss1n | ElDiabolo: You have be able to set your card to "Master" mode (the term might be called different things, and the way to do it is card-specific, and doesn't work with all hardware). When this is done, you have to configure your computer to act as a gateway. This is easiest done by using dnsmasq in my opinion. |
| 15:44.47 | babilen | !tell JuanDaughertyabout version |
| 15:44.47 | abrotman | JuanDaugherty: /msg dpkg version |
| 15:45.23 | ace0x2a | ok, this first install runit |
| 15:45.33 | ace0x2a | now i tried git-daemon-run again |
| 15:45.34 | ace0x2a | warning: git-daemon: unable to open supervise/ok: file does not exist |
| 15:46.05 | ElDiabolo | danderss1n, Thx. I had hoped for an aptitude install access-point-package thingy. |
| 15:46.14 | abrotman | ace0x2a: so you would use the set -x to see what it's looking for .. |
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| 15:46.42 | sekon | ace0x2a: Runit is a init system .. it is not being installed properly on your system |
| 15:46.48 | JuanDaugherty | abrotman, that doesn't work and unclear about the /msg part. dpkg version shows the dpkg version. |
| 15:47.11 | babilen | !tell JuanDaugherty about version |
| 15:47.17 | JuanDaugherty | or babilen |
| 15:47.22 | babilen | JuanDaugherty: Read the private message sent to you :) |
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| 15:47.55 | sekon | ace0x2a: all my previous statements assumed you have a working runit installation |
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| 15:48.36 | andihit | my output of lsof | grep -c -e ".*" is 3922, but ulimit -Hn is 1024... how can that be? (just trying to raise ulimit, but I think that's impossible with this vserver) |
| 15:48.43 | insanity99 | hey guys, i been using ubuntu for a while should i check out debian do you think? |
| 15:48.50 | abrotman | insanity99: of course we'll say yes |
| 15:49.07 | insanity99 | what makes debian better? |
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| 15:49.53 | jhutchins_lt | !why debian |
| 15:49.53 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian) http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
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| 15:50.25 | JuanDaugherty | so the answer was look at sources.list |
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| 15:51.09 | insanity99 | is software up to date on it? |
| 15:52.18 | theduke | hey guys! I am in the process of installing debian squeeze for a xen dom0 and I m trying to set up LVM with a single volume for the host. how can I reduce the size of the root volume in the installer? i want the / "partition/volume" to be only 10gig but the installer uses the whole space available and I dont see any way to resize |
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| 15:53.38 | insanity99 | what version should i get? |
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| 15:54.53 | babilen | insanity99: squeeze |
| 15:54.57 | babilen | !tell insanity99 -about ig |
| 15:55.04 | babilen | !tell insanity99 -about netinst |
| 15:55.10 | babilen | !tell insanity99 -about firmware images |
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| 15:56.10 | insanity99 | ok thanks |
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| 15:56.27 | babilen | insanity99: Have fun, if you have questions do not hesitate to ask. :) |
| 15:56.33 | insanity99 | can i use virtualbox with the small cd? |
| 15:56.46 | babilen | insanity99: What do you mean? |
| 15:57.21 | insanity99 | i plan to try it with a virtual machine. |
| 15:57.41 | babilen | sure |
| 15:57.42 | ace0x2a | insanity99: you can ask in debian if you should try debian, they say yes, if you ask this in gentoo they also say yes :P |
| 15:57.45 | sekon | ace0x2a: coincidently *commenting* out kill line looks like your easiest way out |
| 15:57.59 | ace0x2a | sekon: done this |
| 15:58.02 | insanity99 | :) |
| 15:58.05 | babilen | ace0x2a: They started to recommend Debian in #gentoo? Great! |
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| 15:58.26 | ace0x2a | babilen: nope, they would recommend gentoo in gentoo and centos in centos :P |
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| 15:58.36 | babilen | ace0x2a: o rly? :-þ |
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| 15:58.44 | ace0x2a | imho centos is nothing more than a wget from redhat :P |
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| 15:59.09 | lusotux | ace0x2a, with modified artwork :) |
| 15:59.16 | ace0x2a | yeah |
| 15:59.35 | lusotux | used it for 4 years ... switched to debian :P |
| 15:59.39 | ace0x2a | sometimes you need centos, for example for a SAP test installation |
| 15:59.50 | tvm | we use it for oracle servers. |
| 16:00.12 | tvm | that's why i have to use outdated applications. ;[ |
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| 16:01.43 | ace0x2a | tvm: so debian stable is not outdated? |
| 16:02.01 | flamingspinach | ace0x2a: not at the moment - it was just released like a few weeks ago |
| 16:02.03 | ace0x2a | its also well tested like redhat enterprise linux |
| 16:02.05 | kanneblei | I have a question about deb packaging. I need to run a command after the data file is unpackaged. Where should I put that command? in the rules file? under what target? |
| 16:02.19 | jhutchins_lt | insanity99: Re: "up to date" - Debian packages tend to be older, but this means they're well tested and patched. They should have all of the current version's functionality with far fewer bugs. |
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| 16:04.20 | ace0x2a | tvm: oracle have also oracle enterprise linux or? with _unbreakable_ kernel... |
| 16:04.22 | insanity99 | is the terminal the same? like do i still to sudo apt-get install example |
| 16:04.34 | insanity99 | do* |
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| 16:04.59 | ace0x2a | aptitude is the better way imho |
| 16:05.37 | ace0x2a | sudo aptitude install example |
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| 16:06.15 | kanneblei | ace0x2a: is that to my question? |
| 16:06.22 | insanity99 | oh right, hows it different |
| 16:06.35 | windstrider | sudo does not work out of the box on Debian however, you will need to install sudo then add the user you want for sudo in the /etc/sudoers file |
| 16:06.55 | tvm | ace0x2a: i'm not an administrator, i just have to use it :\ |
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| 16:07.45 | ace0x2a | ah, well oracle loads the red hat source, pack and label it new, and sell the support cheaper then redhat |
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| 16:08.05 | lusotux | ace0x2a, red hat's support is not that expensive :P |
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| 16:09.07 | ace0x2a | lusotux: i just dont like oracle, i mean redhat do a lot for the open source world and oracle said FOSS should die..i also dont understand why they sell linux and solaris |
| 16:09.46 | lusotux | Oracle should die .... or vanish into de oblivion :P |
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| 16:10.11 | lusotux | of course they want FOSS to die .... them ... m$ and such |
| 16:10.14 | insanity99 | strange it seems to crash when i choose graphical install |
| 16:10.17 | flamingspinach | lusotux: yeah, you can get one year of "self-support" for only $49 for desktops and only $179 for workstations! |
| 16:10.25 | flamingspinach | red hat, I mean :) |
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| 16:10.59 | DammitJim | how do I add a user to be able to run /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh? |
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| 16:11.06 | DammitJim | it seems it can't find pm-hibernate |
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| 16:12.12 | ace0x2a | flamingspinach: this isnt too expensive for large enterprises :) |
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| 16:13.45 | flamingspinach | ace0x2a: large enterprises don't want "self-support", I think... |
| 16:14.25 | lusotux | flamingspinach, evem medium size enterprises don't want that |
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| 16:14.55 | ace0x2a | yeah, this is the problem why you cant use debian in the most big companies. Debian is free of course and you can get third party support, but not so much people like this... |
| 16:15.12 | lusotux | that is sad you know |
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| 16:15.48 | lusotux | there is a company here in portugal that sells a debian based OS and support |
| 16:16.00 | lusotux | but they name it something else |
| 16:16.00 | lusotux | :P |
| 16:16.27 | rgr | is there some debian only magic required to get leafnode working? it installed openbsd-inet as a dependency. inetd.conf contains a leafnode entry BUT my newsreader cant open nntp on localhost. Ideas? |
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| 16:16.57 | ace0x2a | you have mostly the choice between m$, red hat and ubuntu server.. |
| 16:17.16 | rgr | only an idiot would install ubuntu as a corporate server. Its garbage. |
| 16:17.19 | fghdsghd | dasf |
| 16:17.29 | flamingspinach | rgr: lol |
| 16:17.34 | ace0x2a | rgr: this is the problem with ubuntu |
| 16:17.42 | nkuttler | rgr: /usr/share/doc/package |
| 16:17.46 | rgr | ubuntu releases give Linux a bad name IMO |
| 16:17.56 | lusotux | rgr |
| 16:17.59 | lusotux | you rock :D |
| 16:17.59 | nkuttler | it's based on testing/sid. what do you expect.. |
| 16:18.30 | ace0x2a | rgr: i really dont like ubuntu, but it helps to spread linux and made linux also available for stupid users |
| 16:18.43 | ace0x2a | but its so buggy... |
| 16:19.10 | rgr | I dont like the term "stupid users". But its so buggy it gives Linux a bad new since the fanboys trumpet it as a better solution than Windows. |
| 16:19.27 | lusotux | i switched my laptop from ubuntu to debian squeeze and it was great ... :D |
| 16:19.39 | rgr | Debian has really come on a lot in the past 3 years or so. |
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| 16:19.44 | lusotux | (still is= |
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| 16:20.18 | lusotux | rgr, it is after all the most important linux :P |
| 16:21.00 | flamingspinach | frikinz_: I rebooted and changed mirrors, and it inexplicably stopped 404ing |
| 16:22.22 | UukGoblin | hi... this may be a wrong place to ask (redirects welcome), but I just pressed some weird key combination, and my keyboard doesn't send any X events anymore... I'm on debian sid, with xfce, I was rdesktop'ed at the time. xev doesn't see any events, also attempts to VNC or x2x from another host also don't produce any keypresses... mouse works almost fine (with the exception of not showing context menu when I right-click on xfce background desktop) |
| 16:22.24 | rgr | how can I test inetd for nntp access? |
| 16:22.39 | UukGoblin | any ideas how to restart the keyboard input, perhaps using xinput? |
| 16:23.34 | UukGoblin | ah, the only combination that works is ctrl-alt-f1, which brings me to the text console (and the keyboard works perfectly fine there) |
| 16:24.11 | UukGoblin | other weird things happen: when I click in chrome's address bar, the address is highlighted in gray instead of blue, and there's no cursor available |
| 16:24.25 | nkuttler | UukGoblin: oh well, i'd just kill x.. |
| 16:24.38 | UukGoblin | nkuttler, I have sooo many windows open ;-( |
| 16:24.40 | rgr | jesus h. leafnode hasnt created the news group. whats that all about!? |
| 16:24.43 | nkuttler | :D |
| 16:24.46 | UukGoblin | plus I'd like to know what the hell happened |
| 16:25.02 | nkuttler | yeah, i do almost all of my work in screen. don't have the time to debug x |
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| 16:25.37 | UukGoblin | I.. love screen too... but... it's not very good for handling more than 40 windows, which is annoying |
| 16:25.41 | nkuttler | rgr: sounds like a bug? you should probably check the install scripts |
| 16:25.45 | UukGoblin | also doesn't do grouping by desktops, like X does |
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| 17:01.55 | yebyen | does anyone know about setting up debootstrap under kfreebsd? |
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| 17:01.58 | yebyen | to get linux binary compatibility |
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| 17:04.54 | justin | yebyen: do you want linux binary compatibility, or debian compatibility ? |
| 17:05.20 | justin | because debian supports freebsd, you can probably just install that in a chroot if that is all you want |
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| 17:06.47 | ace0x2a | freebsd :) |
| 17:07.12 | ace0x2a | it runs also really stable |
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| 17:08.05 | Bop_ | anyone uses mail notification applet with google ? its failing in here :S |
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| 17:11.55 | MrFrood | yebyen: #debian-kbsd on oftc |
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| 17:16.53 | MrFrood | bop I use checkgmail |
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| 17:18.35 | MrFrood | sorry, that was for Bop_ |
| 17:19.04 | Bop_ | MrFrood, hmm , dont know that one |
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| 17:23.10 | Bartzy|work | Is it possible to rate limit the network bandwidth of 1 process (preferably only when it runs), but only if the bandwitdh is needed by other processes ? |
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| 17:23.53 | greycat | Bartzy|work: #netfilter would be the place to ask, I think |
| 17:23.53 | Bartzy|work | Meaning if I have a 100Mbps connection, the limited process can saturate the 100Mbps line, but if another process needs the bandwidth, it will rate limit the limited process, upto 1Mbps .. is that possible? |
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| 17:24.33 | almonds | hi |
| 17:24.40 | almonds | i need some help real bad |
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| 17:25.07 | almonds | i think i may have accidentally messed up a mission critical server |
| 17:25.18 | almonds | i was logged into a debian box as root via SCP |
| 17:25.41 | almonds | i accidently moved my mouse and dragged and dropped some dir or 2 into another dir from the root drive / |
| 17:25.49 | almonds | for example i moved sbin into root |
| 17:25.53 | Bartzy|work | thank you. |
| 17:25.55 | almonds | i caught that moved it back |
| 17:26.02 | almonds | but i think i did something else also |
| 17:26.08 | greycat | wonders what kind of |
| 17:26.08 | MrFrood | Bop_: it's in the repos |
| 17:26.13 | greycat | wonders what kind of "SCP" client is mouse-driven |
| 17:26.19 | almonds | cyberduck |
| 17:26.20 | almonds | on mac |
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| 17:26.32 | jhutchins_lt | Reason #94223741 why you don't run a GUI on a server. |
| 17:26.44 | greycat | the GUI is on the client here |
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| 17:27.00 | almonds | yea, just wanna ensure my FS is in tact |
| 17:27.07 | almonds | im an idiot clearly |
| 17:27.07 | justin | Reason #94223742 you don't login as root? :) |
| 17:27.12 | almonds | yup |
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| 17:27.25 | justin | almonds: what does ls / show? |
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| 17:27.31 | almonds | 1sec |
| 17:27.38 | jhutchins_lt | DO NOT PASTE! |
| 17:27.44 | almonds | i'll paste bin |
| 17:27.47 | justin | ls / would fit on one line :) |
| 17:27.55 | greycat | one hopes |
| 17:28.09 | justin | well, it's more likely to fit since he moved things into subdirs :) |
| 17:28.13 | almonds | few lines |
| 17:28.18 | almonds | bin emul initrd.img lib64 proc srv var |
| 17:28.18 | almonds | boot etc initrd.img.old lost+found root sys vmlinuz |
| 17:28.18 | almonds | cdrom home lib media sbin tmp vmlinuz.old |
| 17:28.18 | almonds | dev initrd lib32 opt selinux usr |
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| 17:28.22 | justin | sigh :) |
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| 17:28.51 | slaeshjag1 | Argh, my softraid created on deb-x86 doesn't work on deb-ppc, am I missing something? :/ |
| 17:28.56 | almonds | sorry |
| 17:28.59 | almonds | http://paste.debian.net/112338/ there it is |
| 17:29.05 | Bop_ | MrFrood, ok thanks |
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| 17:29.23 | greycat | almonds: is everything actually working, or are you seeing some problem? |
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| 17:29.29 | dondelelcaro | slaeshjag1: is this an mdadm raid? |
| 17:29.32 | kristian-aalborg | hi all, a quick question: is APM supported in the "vanilla" debian kernel? |
| 17:29.35 | slaeshjag1 | dondelelcaro: yus |
| 17:29.47 | almonds | it seems to work however our main program is getting some sql errors |
| 17:29.56 | almonds | also, when i moved sbin into root |
| 17:30.03 | almonds | i downloaded sbin from root to my mac |
| 17:30.06 | almonds | and uploaded it back |
| 17:30.07 | almonds | to / |
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| 17:30.12 | almonds | so idk if permissions changed |
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| 17:30.27 | greycat | almonds: Please try to type more on each line. Don't hit enter multiple times per sentence. |
| 17:30.35 | almonds | ok sorry |
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| 17:31.12 | greycat | almonds: the most foolproof way to ensure that the contents of /sbin are correct would be to reinstall each package that has a file in there |
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| 17:31.42 | almonds | we only use this box for 1 program |
| 17:31.50 | dondelelcaro | slaeshjag1: and what does mdadm --assemble with appropriate options tell you? |
| 17:32.01 | greycat | There are plenty of mandatory OS packages that have things in /sbin, though. |
| 17:32.05 | slaeshjag1 | dondelelcaro: mdadm: device /dev/sdb1 exists but is not an md array. |
| 17:32.21 | dondelelcaro | slaeshjag1: and have you used the --update=byteorder option as necessary? |
| 17:32.24 | almonds | the program works but some features seem to be causing errors idk if it was me or when i moved stuff |
| 17:32.40 | slaeshjag1 | dondelelcaro: No, will look it up |
| 17:32.42 | almonds | is there some integrity checker |
| 17:32.56 | greycat | It's pretty unlikely that /sbin changes would cause an application to emit errors. Usually it would cause the system not to boot, or the application not to start up at all, or something like that. |
| 17:33.09 | almonds | yea i havent rebooted yet |
| 17:33.16 | almonds | im scared to reboot for this reason |
| 17:33.16 | greycat | almonds: reinstalling every pacakage would certainly serve as an integrity fixer... |
| 17:33.35 | greycat | I don't know if there's any kind of non-fixing integrity "checker".... |
| 17:33.41 | almonds | does my pastebin look fine though? am i missing some dir |
| 17:34.41 | slaeshjag1 | dondelelcaro: no difference |
| 17:34.49 | jhutchins_lt | almonds: This is a critical production server? |
| 17:34.53 | justin | greycat: debsums |
| 17:35.03 | greycat | almonds: debsums ;-0 |
| 17:35.06 | greycat | ;-) I mean... |
| 17:35.14 | justin | though debsums checks checksums... |
| 17:35.15 | dondelelcaro | slaeshjag1: hrm... ad mdadm -Q /dev/sdb1; does what? |
| 17:35.29 | almonds | im missing a debsums dir? |
| 17:35.38 | bejelith | greycat how to reinstall? |
| 17:35.42 | greycat | His only safe course of action at this point is to reinstall all his system packages. I don't see what he's waiting for. |
| 17:35.58 | greycat | !reinstall |
| 17:35.59 | dpkg | methinks reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>. |
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| 17:36.07 | justin | cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list|xargs stat > /dev/null should notify about missing files, I think |
| 17:36.08 | slaeshjag1 | dondelelcaro: /dev/sdb1: is not an md array |
| 17:36.24 | bejelith | great, i dint know of reinstall command of aptitude :) |
| 17:36.28 | RandomGuy12 | Hello. Does anybody know if there is a trinity rescue disk irc room? I can't seem to find it. |
| 17:36.35 | greycat | me either. I normally don't use aptitude. |
| 17:36.39 | justin | greycat: well if he can figure out what is missing, a simple ls or find command would show where it ended up, and he can just move it back |
| 17:36.44 | dondelelcaro | slaeshjag1: hrm... and you're certain that it actually is a component of a raid array? |
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| 17:36.58 | jhutchins_lt | Why doesn't he just look at his last backup? |
| 17:37.02 | greycat | justin: he seems to be unable to perform that analysis on his own, and he seems to think someone else is going to do it. |
| 17:37.03 | justin | dondelelcaro: was that the right command? |
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| 17:37.22 | slaeshjag1 | dondelelcaro: Well, I'm trying to confirm it, but neither of the disks is recognized |
| 17:37.25 | almonds | i shutdown |
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| 17:37.29 | almonds | lets hope it comes back up |
| 17:37.30 | almonds | :( |
| 17:37.31 | dondelelcaro | slaeshjag1: actually, that should be mdadm --examine /dev/sdb1; |
| 17:37.35 | almonds | boss gonna kill me |
| 17:37.43 | greycat | almonds: I really would *not* have advised a reboot or shutdown. |
| 17:37.44 | jhutchins_lt | almonds: For heaven's sake why did you shut down? |
| 17:37.45 | dondelelcaro | justin: yeah, it should be --examine; I never remember... |
| 17:37.46 | justin | dondelelcaro: yeah, -E not -Q :-) |
| 17:37.51 | jhutchins_lt | almonds: Where's your latest backup? |
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| 17:37.56 | almonds | we have no backup |
| 17:37.57 | greycat | 13:33 almonds> im scared to reboot for this reason |
| 17:38.02 | bejelith | almonds why did u shutdown? are u crazy? |
| 17:38.02 | justin | dondelelcaro: also fdisk -l should show the type as 'linux raid autodetect' |
| 17:38.03 | greycat | Should've stayed scared. |
| 17:38.07 | almonds | risk taker over here |
| 17:38.22 | greycat | almonds: whenever it comes back up, start making backups. |
| 17:38.32 | almonds | checking rite now, brb |
| 17:38.40 | slaeshjag1 | dondelelcaro: mdadm: No md superblock detected on /dev/sdb1. |
| 17:38.57 | dondelelcaro | justin: yeah, but the type doesn't really matter... nothing pays attention to it |
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| 17:39.17 | justin | dondelelcaro: oh, I thought that was how mdadm --scan worked |
| 17:39.20 | dondelelcaro | slaeshjag1: then that's probably not a raid device... the output of fdisk -l /dev/sdb; would be useful... |
| 17:39.27 | slaeshjag1 | fdisk -l outputs nothing for those disks |
| 17:39.30 | justin | slaeshjag1: also what does file -s /dev/sdb1 say |
| 17:39.38 | justin | slaeshjag1: file -s /dev/sdb ? |
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| 17:40.17 | jhutchins_lt | almonds: I'm sorry, a business critical server with no backup? Your boss SHOULD kill you. |
| 17:40.24 | dondelelcaro | justin: unfortunately, file doesn't know about raid superblocks... |
| 17:40.29 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, it doesn't here) |
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| 17:40.53 | slaeshjag1 | justin: This is weird, it says it's a ext3 file system |
| 17:40.56 | bejelith | jhutchins_lt sometimes bosses dont but a server to backup to |
| 17:41.00 | bejelith | buy*** |
| 17:41.05 | dondelelcaro | slaeshjag1: yeah, that's not unusual |
| 17:41.36 | slaeshjag1 | Well, at least I know know it is sdb and sdc that contains the raid partitions |
| 17:41.43 | justin | slaeshjag1: wait.. it says /dev/sdb is an ext3 filesystem? |
| 17:41.51 | slaeshjag1 | justin: sdb1 |
| 17:41.56 | justin | oh, yes, that makes more sense |
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| 17:43.21 | project2501a | so, what's the big deal about multiarch, again? |
| 17:43.27 | slaeshjag1 | But this is normal for mdadm-raids? |
| 17:43.45 | dondelelcaro | slaeshjag1: yeah, that's normal. |
| 17:43.52 | justin | slaeshjag1: no, mdadm -E should would have printed raid information if it was part of an array |
| 17:44.05 | dondelelcaro | (normal that file -s outputs that it's a filesystem) |
| 17:44.11 | justin | oh, yes |
| 17:44.21 | justin | but mdadm -E will print stuff like the magic, uuid, raid level, etc |
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| 17:44.30 | almonds | it came back and it seems to be working fine! |
| 17:44.34 | almonds | i learned many lessons |
| 17:44.38 | almonds | dont do shit in root |
| 17:44.40 | dondelelcaro | right... mdadm -E should work |
| 17:44.41 | greycat | almonds: Now start doing backups. |
| 17:44.50 | almonds | and that lol, im gonna make a forensic copy |
| 17:44.52 | slaeshjag1 | mdadm doesn't identify the disks as parto f a raid qas it did automatically on deb-i386 |
| 17:45.15 | slaeshjag1 | so what can this be caused by? |
| 17:45.18 | almonds | thanks a lot guys |
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| 17:45.36 | greycat | well, 1 backup is better than 0 backups. |
| 17:45.41 | dondelelcaro | slaeshjag1: 1) missing superblock (old-style configuration based system) 2) old version of the superblock with wrong byteorder ... other stuff |
| 17:46.02 | dondelelcaro | personally hasn't migrated from i386 to ppc with mdadm, but it *should* just work |
| 17:46.23 | slaeshjag1 | dondelelcaro: It did just work Lenny-i386 -> squeeze-i386 :/ |
| 17:46.26 | greycat | unless it has endian storage issues |
| 17:46.40 | greycat | ppc is big endian, and i386 is little |
| 17:47.20 | yebyen | MrFrood: tanks |
| 17:47.36 | dondelelcaro | yeah; I thought that was specified properly, though... it certainly doesn't cause a problem with sharing devices... |
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| 17:48.01 | greycat | I've never moved a RAID set across platforms either. |
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| 17:50.22 | Mikey_ | Hey |
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| 17:51.03 | bittin | Hi |
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| 17:52.40 | slaeshjag1 | I can't remember if I did follow proper practice when I created the raid, if sdb1 is recognized as ext3, is sdb1 where the superblock should be? |
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| 17:57.58 | justin | slaeshjag1: every device in the array would have a superblock |
| 17:58.25 | netkevin | Does anyone have any ideas why my wireless connection would be extremely flaky when using NetworkManager, but totally stable if I configure with iwconfig/ifconfig/dhclient? |
| 17:59.06 | slaeshjag1 | Is it possible that a mdadm-raid created on debian lenny could be using 1.x metadata? |
| 17:59.17 | justin | netkevin: I'd tail -f the wpa supplicant log, that should give some clues |
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| 17:59.50 | slaeshjag1 | Apparently there was a bug in 3.1.4 with big-endian machines and v1.x meta-data ;_; |
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| 18:00.14 | netkevin | wpa supplicant... I guess NetworkManager uses that even for unencrypted connections, right? |
| 18:00.43 | netkevin | I know I've seen wpa_supplicant in the logs before. |
| 18:01.03 | netkevin | Thanks for the hint, justin. I'll have to take a close look at what wpa_supplicant is doing. |
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| 18:06.37 | TheRealOne | hey al |
| 18:06.57 | TheRealOne | I've got problems with my dvd/cd combo drive on debian squeeze |
| 18:07.15 | TheRealOne | I've been reading up online but no avail |
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| 18:07.27 | TheRealOne | I've installed debian squeeze with the same drive |
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| 18:07.50 | TheRealOne | so does anyone know how to get it back in action? |
| 18:07.55 | TheRealOne | it get's power btw |
| 18:07.56 | justin | TheRealOne: problems? |
| 18:08.04 | TheRealOne | yup |
| 18:08.19 | TheRealOne | there's no device for it in /dev |
| 18:08.23 | justin | TheRealOne: dmesg? |
| 18:08.28 | TheRealOne | nothing |
| 18:08.50 | TheRealOne | but I know it works because before I reinstalled squeeze it worked on squeeze |
| 18:08.58 | justin | cable fell out? |
| 18:08.59 | TheRealOne | and it boots the install cd without problems |
| 18:09.02 | TheRealOne | nope |
| 18:09.08 | justin | what does dmesg say? |
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| 18:10.15 | TheRealOne | dmesg doesn't say anything about it |
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| 18:10.37 | TheRealOne | I know it has to do something with the ATA stuff |
| 18:10.59 | TheRealOne | but i don't know how to fix it |
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| 18:11.46 | TheRealOne | according to debian /dev/scd0 is missing |
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| 18:12.03 | TheRealOne | but during installation there was no problem or wot so ever |
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| 18:15.32 | TheRealOne | so no clues? |
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| 18:19.36 | TheRealOne | I'm running kernel 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 18:20.11 | slaeshjag1 | dondelelcaro: Hmm.. mdadm --examine returns stuffs when I also supply argument "--metadata=0.swap" |
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| 18:23.21 | Old_Spike0 | Is it wodim still being under development, as a different tool from its cdrtools origin, or only maintained for bugs? |
| 18:23.22 | slaeshjag1 | dondelelcaro: Major user error, I supplied the arguments in the wrong order when I did mdadm --assemble |
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| 18:27.45 | riddlebox | hello, I am trying to issue add-apt-repository, and I get no such command? which package contains that? |
| 18:28.51 | babilen | riddlebox: I am not aware that *any* package provides that. Where did you find it? Why do you think that it exists? |
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| 18:29.07 | riddlebox | https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Asterisk+Packages#AsteriskPackages-APT%28Debian%2FUbuntu%29 |
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| 18:29.41 | abrotman | riddlebox: ubuntu and debian are NOT the same |
| 18:30.00 | riddlebox | it says debian and ubuntu |
| 18:30.02 | Evil-Twin | google says python-software-properties |
| 18:30.13 | babilen | riddlebox: That is for Ubuntu. You are aware that asterisk is available in the Debian repositories, aren't you? |
| 18:30.13 | abrotman | riddlebox: sorry, the random guy on the web lied .. it happens |
| 18:30.14 | riddlebox | Evil-Twin, I have seen that but I have that package installed |
| 18:30.21 | riddlebox | babilen, not asterisk 1.8 |
| 18:30.28 | abrotman | judd: versions asterisk |
| 18:30.31 | judd | Package asterisk on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.4.21.2~dfsg-3+lenny1; lenny-security: 1:1.4.21.2~dfsg-3+lenny2; lenny-backports: 1:1.6.2.9-1~bpo50+3; sid: 1:1.6.2.9-2+squeeze1; squeeze: 1:1.6.2.9-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1:1.6.2.9-2+squeeze1; wheezy: 1:1.6.2.9-2+squeeze1 |
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| 18:31.23 | babilen | Evil-Twin: apt-file would have found that. It is, almost certainly, an Ubtuntuism |
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| 18:31.49 | riddlebox | hrmm I will just edit sources.list myself and see if the repo works |
| 18:32.19 | babilen | And you need 1.8? |
| 18:33.33 | riddlebox | babilen, if you want to use gtalk channels then 1.8 is needed |
| 18:33.37 | riddlebox | which I do |
| 18:35.55 | babilen | Well, asterisk is quite a beast ... I don't know the quality of their Debian packaging so I can't really recommend it (or advise against) -- But you might be able to update the Debian packaging yourself. The process is covered in the new maintainers guide -- /msg dpkg nmg -- /msg dpkg uupdate |
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| 18:36.23 | babilen | riddlebox: But I wouldn't expect that to work without out-of-the-box |
| 18:36.31 | babilen | Good luck! |
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| 18:37.14 | babilen | riddlebox: Another option would be to just install it locally in /usr/local with the help of stow -- /msg dpkg stow -- /msg dpkg stow usage |
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| 18:37.33 | iateadonut | i would like to set up a mail server; something that can accept mail to whomever@something.com - and forward it to a gmail account. and also an smtp server that will accept sending mail from thunderbird. - any suggestions on what server(s) to use? |
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| 18:38.00 | riddlebox | babilen, never messed with stow, I will look at it, I have been just compiling asterisk-1.8 myself but you would think there would be a package somewhere for debian.. |
| 18:38.00 | babilen | exim4 (the default in debian) comes to mind |
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| 18:38.36 | dondelelcaro | iateadonut: postfix or exim; your choice... doesn't really matter which. |
| 18:38.39 | babilen | riddlebox: 1.8 has not yet been packaged. When was it released? |
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| 18:38.51 | dondelelcaro | (postfix is probably easier to configure, but exim is more powerful) |
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| 18:39.25 | nascentmind | Hi. Can I use debian cross compiling facilities in ubuntu by having a debian chroot? |
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| 18:39.41 | iateadonut | thanks. i will attempt to install postfix. |
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| 18:39.54 | babilen | riddlebox: Ah, 36 days ago :) |
| 18:40.04 | iateadonut | (your answering my question probably just saved me an hour - i appreciate it) |
| 18:40.43 | babilen | iateadonut: It will remove the installed exim4 from your system, which is OK as you replace it with postfix. |
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| 18:41.45 | babilen | iateadonut: If you want to configure/use exim4 use "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" and see the documentation linked from http://wiki.debian.org/PkgExim4 |
| 18:41.57 | babilen | iateadonut: Good luck! |
| 18:42.37 | babilen | iateadonut: http://www.seaglass.com/postfix/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/Postfix for postfix |
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| 18:43.45 | riddlebox | babilen, its been around longer than 36 days, 1.8.x ..... |
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| 18:44.27 | babilen | riddlebox: nvm (that was the last stable release, not the first 1.8.x one) |
| 18:44.51 | riddlebox | yeah |
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| 18:46.39 | r3c4ll | i install postgresql (server) via Software Center... what is the passwd for postgres user? |
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| 18:49.29 | TheRealOne | back |
| 18:50.14 | TheRealOne | dmesg states a scsi1 which becomes ata2 and there's no more references |
| 18:50.36 | abrotman | wonders if frey or Kubbur are around ... |
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| 18:51.04 | TheRealOne | ata1 becomes sda and that's it... |
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| 18:54.02 | TheRealOne | I managed to fix it in the previous install... but I can't solve this matter now |
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| 18:55.27 | jan0s1k | Hi, if can I ask, is there anyone who resolve problem with invisible mouse cursor? I mean, I have problem with mouse cursor after update which I done yesterday (it could be maybe yealier, because I updated system yesterday which wasn't updated by a week or so), I can do everything with mouse, but cursor just doesn't show up |
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| 18:56.26 | TheRealOne | jan0s1k wot did you update? |
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| 18:57.48 | jan0s1k | hm mostly everything :P by a aptitude full-upgrade, I'm on Debian Wheezy and I'm think (from mailing list or something like that), that there was an kernel update (and I remember, that it could be updated when I done my update) |
| 18:58.21 | greycat | I doubt the kernel would affect the X mouse pointer |
| 18:58.59 | greycat | (you ... did mean X, right, and not gpm on the console?) |
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| 19:00.05 | jan0s1k | nope, I'm using X (with graphic environment fluxbox - with GNOME apps) |
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| 19:00.46 | TheRealOne | Wheezy? |
| 19:00.55 | jan0s1k | yes |
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| 19:01.20 | greycat | !wheezy |
| 19:01.20 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>. |
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| 19:04.34 | therealone_ | jan0s1k: do you have unclutter installed? |
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| 19:05.01 | jhutchins_lt | ,info unclutter |
| 19:05.02 | judd | Package unclutter (x11, optional) in squeeze/i386: hides the cursor in X after a period of inactivity. Version: 8-14; Size: 16.1k; Installed: 104k |
| 19:05.05 | babilen | point releases will be referred to as: squeezy, sleazy, meazy and whaleezy |
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| 19:05.49 | jan0s1k | therealone_: I don't think so, I put only which is required to this system (and lighty if possible) |
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| 19:06.08 | therealone_ | jan0s1k: go to standby and recover from it |
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| 19:06.35 | therealone_ | jan0s1k: http://osdir.com/ml/debian-bugs-dist/2011-03/msg06896.html |
| 19:06.35 | jan0s1k | I found something like this (refering to my graphic card) exactly about kernel http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=619319 |
| 19:06.52 | therealone_ | that's the one |
| 19:07.01 | therealone_ | apparently it isn't fixed yet |
| 19:07.11 | jan0s1k | so I just have to move to older kernel? |
| 19:07.21 | greycat | Huh, interesting. |
| 19:07.41 | therealone_ | yep or keep going to standby and recover |
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| 19:08.40 | jan0s1k | ok, thank You so much |
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| 19:09.38 | therealone_ | np |
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| 19:14.15 | therealone | right who can help me with ata issues on debian squeeze? |
| 19:14.43 | jhutchins_lt | ata? |
| 19:14.44 | babilen | !tell therealone about smart questions |
| 19:14.56 | therealone | ata=ide |
| 19:15.10 | greycat | Ask a more specific question. |
| 19:15.13 | therealone | my harddrive works fine... but debian doesn't see my dvd after in the installation |
| 19:15.29 | therealone | I'm on a laptop |
| 19:15.32 | greycat | Check dmesg output. See what the kernel thinks and doesn't think. |
| 19:15.56 | therealone | well dmesg states that it sees a scsi1 which becomes ata2 and then nothing |
| 19:16.23 | therealone | I know the drive isn't broken because in my former install (also squeeze) I managed to get it work with help of some ppl |
| 19:16.39 | ymasory | if i install the "pulseaudio" package will i get per-application volume control like in ubuntu? |
| 19:16.40 | therealone | wodim doesn't see any scsi drivers... |
| 19:16.50 | jhutchins_lt | therealone: They often don't appear unless you have a valid disk in them. |
| 19:17.00 | greycat | therealone: you don't see something like sr 1:0:0:0 Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 ? |
| 19:17.56 | therealone | i have a dvd in it now... |
| 19:18.00 | therealone | nope... |
| 19:18.10 | therealone | the thing is... this laptop works with ide and not sata... |
| 19:18.16 | greycat | therealone: what does dmesg|grep CD say? |
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| 19:18.51 | therealone | ow it's attached to IRQ 15 |
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| 19:19.26 | therealone | greycat it gives me nothing |
| 19:19.36 | greycat | That's not encouraging. |
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| 19:19.49 | therealone | I know but I know it works... because it did before |
| 19:19.57 | therealone | but I don't know how I fixed it |
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| 19:20.18 | therealone | it has something to do with the pata drivers |
| 19:20.26 | greycat | You can try a different kernel. |
| 19:21.27 | therealone | how can I change my kernel? |
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| 19:24.38 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 19:24.39 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.38-1-686 (2.6.38-1); wheezy: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 19:25.15 | jhutchins_lt | therealone: We'd have to know which kernel you have. |
| 19:25.45 | therealone | 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 19:26.19 | therealone | according to udev there is a dvd |
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| 19:29.49 | therealone | would it be safe do remve udev? |
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| 19:33.14 | superstraw | "tail -f logfile | strings" doesn't show me up to date info like just plain "tail logfile | strings" but I have to keep entering in the later command... is buffering to blame? the logfile is a samba share from a network computer. |
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| 19:33.43 | jhutchins_lt | why filter it through strings? |
| 19:33.47 | zleslie | Hi |
| 19:33.50 | superstraw | it is a binary file |
| 19:33.59 | greycat | tail -f on a binary file?? |
| 19:34.09 | greycat | why would a binary file be appended to...? |
| 19:34.13 | superstraw | a database file for notes. strings will sort through for the actual notes i need. |
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| 19:34.22 | superstraw | yes it is appended to. |
| 19:34.37 | superstraw | a horrible database program written in business basic back in the 90's. |
| 19:34.39 | greycat | Database files are generally not used in such a way. |
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| 19:35.26 | superstraw | greycat yeah, the programmer wants to charge my boss a few thousand for a "notes" program but I have circumvented that using strings on the file. |
| 19:35.35 | greycat | Anyway, if there's a buffering issue, it should not show up until you add SOME OTHER command onto the end of that pipeline, like tail -f | strings | grep |
| 19:35.36 | iateadonut | how do i check how much space a directory tree and each of it's files is taking? |
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| 19:35.42 | greycat | If you just have tail -f | strings there should be no problem. |
| 19:35.52 | greycat | iateadonut: du -s |
| 19:35.59 | superstraw | ah ok. hmm. |
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| 19:36.37 | superstraw | i run both commands in their seperate windows, and tail without the -f shows more up to date stuff. lemme watch -f and see what it does after time. |
| 19:36.39 | zleslie | iateadonut: https://github.com/xaque208/scripts/raw/master/weigh/weigh |
| 19:37.03 | superstraw | its a samba share from an nt 4.0 server. |
| 19:37.10 | superstraw | if that counts. |
| 19:37.29 | themill | superstraw: doesn't tail -f process line-by-line? If so, it's waiting for the next end of line which, being a binary file, probably never comes. |
| 19:37.31 | zleslie | Is there any risk of allowing www-data an ssh login? |
| 19:38.13 | superstraw | !!! themill I did not realize it processes by the line. I'm sure that is the problem. the lines are very long... |
| 19:38.13 | dpkg | superstraw: that's too long |
| 19:38.52 | themill | superstraw: I'm not guaranteeing that's the case, it's just a hunch and is consistent with the behaviour you see. |
| 19:38.57 | bolvarak | +i |
| 19:39.02 | superstraw | hmm. what can i do about that then... "watch -n 5 tail logfile | strings" skews my view of the data... |
| 19:39.21 | superstraw | themill i've cat'd the logfile and yeah it does have long lines of nasty binary crap in it. |
| 19:39.27 | greycat | superstraw: does "tail -f file" actually produce *anything* by itself? |
| 19:39.38 | superstraw | greycat lemme check. |
| 19:39.42 | syhw | Hi, is there a mean to mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 (mounted on /) successfully / without getting a Device busy? Or, how could I proceed to add "/" under a raid1 array without rebooting on a cd disk (I can unmount "/" if needed but don't know how/where to chroot)? |
| 19:39.59 | themill | greycat: other than "a very confused terminal" you mean ;) |
| 19:40.31 | greycat | Yes, there's a risk he'll need to run "reset" or echo $'\ec' or whatever |
| 19:40.39 | superstraw | greycat it shows the notes I require, with a bunch of random numbers, letters, and symbols between them |
| 19:40.39 | syhw | I find mainly outdated / not working tutos / tips in my search engine |
| 19:40.47 | greycat | superstraw: and it keeps showing new stuff periodically? |
| 19:41.17 | superstraw | greycat i'm waiting for people to enter notes, they're mostly out to lunch, should be a moment. |
| 19:42.04 | superstraw | I could probably tail -n 1 to see one line i suppose... |
| 19:42.14 | greycat | But there are no "lines". |
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| 19:43.47 | superstraw | dangit, correct. its ugly without "strings" |
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| 19:44.24 | superstraw | hmm. could I make a bash file that repeats my command for me? (tail without -f?) |
| 19:44.37 | greycat | the issue is whether the tail -f actually produces information when new data are added, or not. if not, then you need to find some other means of extracting it. |
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| 19:45.16 | superstraw | k. |
| 19:46.11 | bolvarak | anyone know why i get nothing when issuing /etc/init.t/postgresql start after installing postgresql from apt? |
| 19:46.17 | bolvarak | im running lenny |
| 19:46.28 | greycat | it's probably already running? |
| 19:46.50 | zleslie | So I need a way to get a developer in a chroot so they can work in /var/wwww. Does anyone know a reason not to allow the www-data user to log in to the box with a shell? |
| 19:46.54 | bolvarak | well invoking status displays nothing either |
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| 19:53.10 | penguinbait | I am running debian on the openpandora, the install image defaults with lxde, and I installed KDE but now when it boots my touchscreen mouse is inverted, this is sqeeze armel, ad ideas what I should be looking at?? |
| 19:53.19 | iateadonut | i'm getting a "Shorewall configuration verified" message but then a "The firewall won't be started/stopped unless it is configured" when I /etc/init.d/shorewall start |
| 19:53.44 | frikinz_ | penguinbait: are you penguinbait from maemo? |
| 19:53.56 | penguinbait | yes tis me |
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| 19:54.11 | frikinz_ | penguinbait: ahah i'm free (xmms) |
| 19:54.16 | penguinbait | the one and only :p |
| 19:54.29 | zleslie | penguinbait: can't you just use it upside down? |
| 19:54.49 | penguinbait | my finger or the screen? |
| 19:54.57 | zleslie | either? |
| 19:55.10 | zleslie | I suspect the upside down finger will not help |
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| 19:55.41 | penguinbait | yeah, the upside down screen is not working either :) |
| 19:56.06 | penguinbait | is it my touchscreen calibration or something in X? |
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| 19:57.20 | petemc | penguinbait: does it still work correctly in lxde? |
| 19:57.43 | penguinbait | nope |
| 19:57.56 | petemc | can you compare xorg logs between when it worked properly and now? |
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| 19:58.18 | penguinbait | once it booted to KDM it is hosed, did not try to set it back to gdm or whatever the default was |
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| 19:58.53 | penguinbait | it all worked fine until I rebooted after installing KDE |
| 19:59.32 | penguinbait | mouse still works fine, its just the TS that is backwards |
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| 20:00.37 | almonds | its me again! |
| 20:00.51 | almonds | i think i somehow broke the bond between eth3 and eth4 |
| 20:01.03 | almonds | now the box isnt capturing packets on bond0 |
| 20:01.05 | almonds | any idea |
| 20:01.16 | zleslie | context is an amazing thing |
| 20:01.39 | almonds | im trying to rebond eth3 and eth4 |
| 20:01.45 | almonds | it somehow became unbonded |
| 20:01.56 | zleslie | Want to give the relevent entries in your interfaces file? |
| 20:02.03 | almonds | yea 1sec |
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| 20:02.09 | zleslie | or how about some steps you took to get broken |
| 20:02.18 | greycat | You won't like his answer. |
| 20:02.19 | zleslie | and perhaps the ifconfig out put |
| 20:02.25 | zleslie | is that right? |
| 20:02.31 | almonds | http://pastebin.com/LMdCrUMH |
| 20:02.41 | zleslie | Oh how I have missed #debian |
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| 20:02.59 | almonds | http://pastebin.com/6PSZm8cQ |
| 20:03.35 | r3c4ll | Hi, i install new postgresql 8.4 version on debian squeeze... i can use psql with user postgres from console but pgadmin3 cant login locally with postgres... ideas? |
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| 20:04.16 | zleslie | almonds: why are you doing it with post/pre scripts? |
| 20:05.30 | almonds | im not the original sys admin, earlier today i accidentally moved dirs into other dirs in / , for example i moved sbin into root by accident via SCP |
| 20:05.41 | greycat | zleslie: earlier, almonds was here in a panic because he had somehow connected to his never-been-backed-up production server with a GUI ssh/scp client of some kind, and fat-fingered his mouse and did something unspecified to /sbin.... |
| 20:05.41 | almonds | bond0 was still working after reboot though |
| 20:05.49 | almonds | now it wont work at all, no packets |
| 20:05.55 | KB1JWQ | It's a good thing you've got a robust backup policy in place and can restore from backups though! A lot of people with insufficient experience and bad administrative habits would not be in such a good position. |
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| 20:06.32 | almonds | if i ran this place we would have backups, im just a intern trying to fix this :[ |
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| 20:06.57 | KB1JWQ | Oh, you're an intern. All good then, you're expected to break half of what you touch. :-) |
| 20:07.14 | greycat | I'm wondering who gave him root.... |
| 20:07.22 | zleslie | indeed |
| 20:07.36 | zleslie | almonds: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:07.53 | zleslie | *other than remove files from sbin |
| 20:08.03 | almonds | im trying to get bond0 working again |
| 20:08.13 | almonds | it was bonded with eth3 and eth4 |
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| 20:08.22 | zleslie | almonds: and what is the desired state of bon0 once its up? |
| 20:08.22 | almonds | now its not getting any traffic at all |
| 20:08.39 | almonds | its supposed to be capture packets from a network tap |
| 20:08.55 | almonds | why does bond0 say Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:00:00:00:00:00 , shouldnt it have a valid mac id? |
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| 20:09.17 | zleslie | almonds: well, you bond0 has no slaves |
| 20:09.55 | zleslie | capturing packets on a bond? |
| 20:09.58 | zleslie | that seems wrong |
| 20:10.02 | zleslie | does that even work? |
| 20:10.02 | almonds | you think i broke it by accidentally dragging files, i also ran tcpdump on it earlier, maybe tcpdump took over slaves and messed with interfaces? |
| 20:10.20 | zleslie | do you know how lacp works? |
| 20:10.24 | almonds | nope |
| 20:10.38 | zleslie | so trying to fix something you don't understand will probably lead you ro ruin |
| 20:10.44 | zleslie | so again, what are you trying to do? |
| 20:10.59 | almonds | get bond0 back up and running so we can capture packets from it |
| 20:11.03 | almonds | it was working fine before |
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| 20:11.12 | almonds | i need to bond eth3 and eth4 |
| 20:11.22 | zleslie | and what did you do to break it? |
| 20:11.28 | zleslie | other than remove various files from sbin |
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| 20:11.36 | almonds | no idea, probably broke it by installing tcpdump |
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| 20:12.14 | zleslie | what does which ifenslave yeild? |
| 20:12.23 | zleslie | almonds: probably not |
| 20:12.59 | zleslie | type ifenslave bond0 eth3 eth4 |
| 20:13.48 | zleslie | I am surprised that packets will even capture correctly off of a lacp link |
| 20:13.59 | almonds | nothing |
| 20:14.02 | zleslie | what kind of switch? |
| 20:14.12 | almonds | no results |
| 20:14.15 | zleslie | ifconfig bond0 should tell you that it has a couple slaves |
| 20:14.26 | zleslie | or perhaps vs versa |
| 20:14.40 | zleslie | ifconfig eth3 should tell you that bond0 is its master |
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| 20:15.33 | therealone | hey all |
| 20:15.35 | almonds | it doesnt mention that its a slave |
| 20:15.38 | almonds | or has slaves |
| 20:15.47 | therealone | brb |
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| 20:16.10 | zleslie | what kind of swithc? |
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| 20:18.05 | therealone | back |
| 20:18.10 | zleslie | almonds: ifconfig eth3 in your paste does not show its a slave, if you run it now, do you see anything that mentions its a slave |
| 20:18.20 | zleslie | ifconfig eth3 | grep SLAVE |
| 20:18.58 | therealone | how can I change my kernel? I'm using 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 20:19.07 | zleslie | therealone: install a new on |
| 20:19.08 | therealone | this because of issues with the pata & ide drivers |
| 20:19.23 | therealone | how... I'm not familiar with it |
| 20:19.27 | almonds | oh |
| 20:19.31 | almonds | should i run |
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| 20:19.47 | almonds | ifenslave bond0 eth3 eth4? |
| 20:20.04 | zleslie | almonds: um, yeah. think I mentioned that |
| 20:20.39 | therealone | unless you have another way zleslie to fix the issue |
| 20:20.43 | zleslie | therealone: do you know which kernel you need? YOu can check backports to see if a newer one is availabe |
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| 20:20.50 | zleslie | therealone: I don't know what the issue is |
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| 20:21.10 | almonds | before i bond them, why does my ifconfig show a bond0 to begin with if they are not bonded? |
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| 20:21.49 | zleslie | almonds: cause you can create network devices out of thin air |
| 20:21.51 | therealone | zleslie I've reinstalled squeeze... during the installing my dvd worked fine... after installation there's no link in dev to my dvd, not a sr0 not a sdc not a cdrom nor dvd... |
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| 20:22.08 | therealone | dunno wot kernel I need |
| 20:22.32 | zleslie | therealone: what kind of device is it? |
| 20:22.35 | zleslie | sata? |
| 20:22.38 | therealone | no ide |
| 20:22.54 | therealone | the bios recognizes it |
| 20:23.04 | therealone | as does linux according to dmesg |
| 20:23.19 | zleslie | therealone: so you are probably looking for the wrong device |
| 20:23.23 | therealone | it's first a scsi1 and then a sata2 |
| 20:23.36 | therealone | it used to work in my previous installation of squeeze |
| 20:23.51 | zleslie | I thought you said it was IDE? |
| 20:23.52 | therealone | sorry a ata2 |
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| 20:24.17 | therealone | sorry my bad... because debian uses ata and pata (for the module driver) I mixed them up |
| 20:24.39 | zleslie | You might just need to load a driver |
| 20:24.43 | zleslie | *module |
| 20:24.48 | therealone | that's wot I thought... |
| 20:24.57 | therealone | but no avail |
| 20:25.06 | almonds | ifenslave bond0 eth3 eth4 |
| 20:25.06 | almonds | -bash: ifenslave: command not found |
| 20:25.25 | zleslie | almonds: we could have saved a lot of time here. Install ifenslave |
| 20:25.34 | almonds | im missing a mnt dir in my / , i may have moved it by accident earlier today, is that the problem possibly? |
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| 20:26.05 | TASAIRES | alguien ha visto esta promocion del ABC??? http://www.abc.es/servicios/promociones/tablet-abc/index.html |
| 20:26.11 | zleslie | almonds: sounds like you have lots of problem if you are removing thing out of /sbin. I don't think that a missing /mnt is one of them currently |
| 20:26.25 | therealone | problem is that squeeze uses both pata driver (the new driverstuff for ide) and the old ide driver (modules) |
| 20:26.28 | TASAIRES | hola a todos |
| 20:26.31 | greycat | !es |
| 20:26.31 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 20:26.32 | almonds | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 20:26.32 | almonds | ifenslave is already the newest version. |
| 20:26.32 | almonds | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 233 not upgraded. |
| 20:26.47 | almonds | now im scared |
| 20:26.55 | almonds | it says i have ifenslave |
| 20:26.57 | zleslie | almonds: apt-get install --reinstall ifenslave |
| 20:27.27 | almonds | done |
| 20:27.29 | zleslie | for that matter, dpkg -l | xargs -I {} apt-get install --reinstall {} |
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| 20:27.40 | zleslie | nevermind on that last one |
| 20:27.49 | zleslie | now re-run the ifenslave bond0 eth3 eth4 |
| 20:27.54 | simonlnu | almonds: check your PATH (echo $PATH) and are your root? |
| 20:28.12 | zleslie | ahh yes, poor assumtion |
| 20:28.12 | therealone | my harddrive on ide0 (scsi0 or ata1) works fine |
| 20:28.13 | simonlnu | (cover the basics first)[6~ |
| 20:28.23 | almonds | # ifenslave bond0 eth3 eth4 |
| 20:28.23 | almonds | -bash: ifenslave: command not found |
| 20:28.23 | simonlnu | are you* |
| 20:28.30 | almonds | echo $PATH |
| 20:28.30 | almonds | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 20:28.52 | simonlnu | are you root? (2nd time) |
| 20:28.55 | almonds | yea |
| 20:28.59 | zleslie | ls -l /sbin/ifenslave |
| 20:29.11 | almonds | # ls -l /sbin/ifenslave |
| 20:29.11 | almonds | ls: /sbin/ifenslave: No such file or directory |
| 20:29.19 | simonlnu | fix your PATH or use the full filepath |
| 20:29.35 | zleslie | I thought it was /sbin |
| 20:29.40 | simonlnu | (suggested to do the first anyway, but you can do that later) |
| 20:29.50 | almonds | how do i fix the path |
| 20:29.52 | simonlnu | ,find sbin/ifenslave |
| 20:29.52 | Black_Prince | ifenslave is not in $PATH ... it is in /etc/network/if-*.d |
| 20:30.16 | zleslie | Black_Prince: since when? |
| 20:30.20 | Black_Prince | Dk |
| 20:30.24 | Black_Prince | so Judd says |
| 20:30.28 | Black_Prince | ,file ifenslave |
| 20:30.32 | judd | ifenslave in squeeze/i386: ifenslave-2.6: etc/network/if-post-down.d/ifenslave, etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ifenslave, etc/network/if-up.d/ifenslave |
| 20:30.36 | simonlnu | doh, thanks |
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| 20:30.42 | almonds | in sbin i have ifenslave-2.6 |
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| 20:31.15 | greycat | almonds: did you reinstall that package yet? |
| 20:31.32 | almonds | ifenslave-2.6 bond0 eth3 eth4 went thru |
| 20:31.51 | almonds | now the bond0 has a mac id |
| 20:31.55 | therealone | byes |
| 20:31.56 | zleslie | wonderful |
| 20:31.59 | simonlnu | hmm |
| 20:32.06 | almonds | let me see if it captures now, brb, thanks a lot guys |
| 20:32.06 | simonlnu | ,file ifenslave* |
| 20:32.09 | judd | ifenslave* in squeeze/i386: ifenslave-2.6: etc/network/if-post-down.d/ifenslave, etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ifenslave, etc/network/if-up.d/ifenslave, sbin/ifenslave-2.6, usr/share/doc/ifenslave-2.6/README.Debian, usr/share/doc/ifenslave-2.6/changelog.Debian.gz, usr/share/doc/ifenslave-2.6/copyright, usr/share/doc/ifenslave-2.6/examples/ethernet+hotplug_wifi, usr/share/doc/ifenslave-2.6/examples/ethernet+wifi, |
| 20:32.11 | judd | usr/share/doc/ifenslave-2.6/examples/two_ethernet, usr/share/doc/ifenslave-2.6/examples/two_hotplug_ethernet, usr/share/man/man8/ifenslave-2.6.8.gz; linux-doc-2.6.32: usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.32/Documentation/networking/ifenslave.c.gz |
| 20:32.16 | simonlnu | eek |
| 20:32.19 | simonlnu | sorry |
| 20:32.48 | zleslie | almonds: link /sbin/ifenslave-2.6 to /sbin/ifenslave so your interfaces file works |
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| 20:33.12 | almonds | how do i do that |
| 20:33.45 | simonlnu | man ln; ln -s source target |
| 20:33.51 | almonds | its working its capturing |
| 20:34.00 | almonds | <3 debian |
| 20:34.05 | almonds | #debian |
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| 20:34.42 | almonds | i think it stopped now wth |
| 20:34.53 | almonds | its gotta be the name problem |
| 20:34.54 | zleslie | almonds: stop logging in with root and a gui scp client |
| 20:35.03 | almonds | i learn my lesson trust me |
| 20:35.16 | almonds | i just wanna fix it so my boss doesnt kill me |
| 20:35.16 | jelly-home | simonlnu: judd doesn't know about alternatives |
| 20:35.19 | almonds | hes super angry |
| 20:35.23 | greycat | almonds: Did reinstalling the package not restore the symlink properly? |
| 20:35.31 | almonds | the ifenslave package? |
| 20:35.36 | zleslie | yeah, if not that sounds like a bug |
| 20:35.38 | greycat | almonds: or did you IGNORE me when I said, like, 7 times, that you needed to reinstall the pacakges that you broke? |
| 20:35.48 | almonds | how do i do that |
| 20:35.53 | almonds | dpkg something |
| 20:35.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, something is everything,nothing, part of something else, everything, nothing, part of something else |
| 20:35.56 | simonlnu | ... |
| 20:35.56 | zleslie | wow dood, gotta read |
| 20:36.04 | almonds | i thought u said dont do it rite after |
| 20:36.19 | almonds | i read dont do it later |
| 20:36.20 | zleslie | do the reinstall |
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| 20:36.30 | almonds | ok scrolling up |
| 20:36.37 | simonlnu | 16:26:58 < zleslie> almonds: apt-get install --reinstall ifenslave |
| 20:36.51 | almonds | i did that |
| 20:36.59 | greycat | 13:35 greycat> His only safe course of action at this point is to reinstall all his system packages. I don't see what he's waiting for. |
| 20:37.04 | greycat | That was 3 hours ago. |
| 20:37.21 | simonlnu | no wonder i couldn't find it in a quick scroll |
| 20:37.40 | zleslie | I like the dpkg -l | xargs... option best :) |
| 20:37.48 | simonlnu | jelly-home: it's ok i wasn't lookng for any, but yes, that would explain that |
| 20:37.52 | almonds | the reinstall i did, it still shows ifenslave2-.6 in the sbin |
| 20:38.03 | almonds | im assuming i should see a ifenslave with no 2.6 rite |
| 20:38.14 | zleslie | I assume also |
| 20:38.16 | jelly-home | ifenslave is the dummy; ifenslave-2.6 the proper package containing binaries |
| 20:38.32 | almonds | ifenslave |
| 20:38.32 | almonds | -bash: ifenslave: command not found |
| 20:38.42 | simonlnu | ... |
| 20:38.45 | jelly-home | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 Dec 15 00:21 /sbin/ifenslave -> /etc/alternatives/ifenslave |
| 20:38.50 | silner | I wondered if someone could talk me through how to enable IPv6 in Debian Squeeze? I only just noticed that my automatic wired connection doesn't appear to be editable in Network Manager? |
| 20:38.50 | almonds | i had to go to sbin and type ifenslave2-6 |
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| 20:38.59 | greycat | almonds: apt-get --reinstall install ifenslave-2.6 |
| 20:39.04 | almonds | gotcha ok |
| 20:39.15 | simonlnu | no you didn't.... |
| 20:39.17 | greycat | needs a longer 2x4... |
| 20:39.28 | zleslie | haha |
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| 20:39.41 | simonlnu | greycat: yep |
| 20:39.43 | almonds | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.43 | almonds | *** ifenslave (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ? |
| 20:40.23 | simonlnu | gets another coffee ... |
| 20:40.24 | greycat | When in doubt, hit Enter there. |
| 20:40.29 | greycat | It will keep your current config file. |
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| 20:40.39 | almonds | perfect works |
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| 20:41.38 | almonds | i learned more in this channel than this internship |
| 20:41.58 | simonlnu | o_O |
| 20:42.19 | jelly-home | the learning came with a nice bitter almond taste |
| 20:42.31 | zleslie | I prefer walnuts myself |
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| 20:42.40 | greycat | I'm sure you learned several things outside of this channel, such as "What the real world is like" and "What happens to people who don't have backups", etc. |
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| 20:42.49 | jelly-home | zleslie: I'm not aware of a poison that tastes like walnuts |
| 20:42.54 | simonlnu | jelly-home: *groan* |
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| 20:43.09 | Michalxo | !ping |
| 20:43.09 | dpkg | pong |
| 20:43.20 | simonlnu | greycat: hehe |
| 20:43.21 | zleslie | id dpkg being deprecated? |
| 20:43.23 | iateadonut | "Do not attempt to install Shorewall on a remote system. You are virtually assured to lock yourself out of that system." |
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| 20:43.33 | zleslie | the bot |
| 20:43.33 | iateadonut | if not shorewall, then what? |
| 20:43.41 | jelly-home | iateadonut: physical access |
| 20:44.00 | zleslie | kvm over ip |
| 20:44.16 | ompaul | iateadonut: you really want to know you run a script every 5 minutes which does iptables -F |
| 20:44.18 | greycat | Winged monkeys to type for you. |
| 20:44.24 | Spec | iateadonut: man iptables |
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| 20:44.36 | simonlnu | zleslie: no, judd is better at some things than others, and vice-versa |
| 20:44.45 | zleslie | simonlnu: fair enought |
| 20:44.50 | zleslie | its been a while since I was in this channel |
| 20:44.54 | karsten-nr | So, apt-get is preferred in squeeze over aptitude, correct? |
| 20:44.57 | zleslie | *year(s) |
| 20:45.09 | Michalxo | hello! I am having strange bug on my new debian stable fresh isntall on Thinkpad Edge 13 (intel U5600). When I reboot machine, it completely ignores bios and grub.. it just autoloads into first kernel. Only shutdown helps. Any ideas please? Thanks |
| 20:45.12 | karsten-nr | zleslie: Nothing's changed. |
| 20:45.13 | greycat | karsten-nr: from the install/upgrade guides, it would appear so |
| 20:45.14 | simonlnu | karsten-nr: depends |
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| 20:45.17 | ompaul | iateadonut: then you log in remote log in and put in iptables rules ... they get taken down just in case you get messed up and you can still get in you work on your config and get it right always knowing you are five minutes from the last time you restarted iptabes |
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| 20:45.47 | karsten-nr | I ask as that's what I'd read/heard in release notes. However while there's a "why aptitude" factoid, there's no "why apt-get" one. |
| 20:45.48 | greycat | ompaul: that's actually clever |
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| 20:46.03 | simonlnu | says "depends" from experience |
| 20:46.14 | karsten-nr | The "why aptitude" one suggests apt-get for lenny->squeeze though. |
| 20:46.21 | karsten-nr | simonlnu: I hear you. |
| 20:46.22 | babilen | karsten-nr: No correct. It is the preferred tool for the upgrade. During normal work I use aptitude, others use apt-get. They have different characteristics and you are free to use whatever you are more comfortable with. |
| 20:46.28 | ompaul | greycat: ya think, I borrowed it from openbsd ;-) |
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| 20:46.38 | jelly-home | ompaul: they stole it from cisco |
| 20:46.46 | jelly-home | or was it the other way round |
| 20:46.55 | simonlnu | karsten-nr: updating seems to be hit and miss right now on some mirrors, fetching is as expected |
| 20:47.03 | karsten-nr | babilen: Thanks. I've used aptitude mostly for the past few years (5+?), and just wanted to make sure I'm not relying on stale info. |
| 20:47.15 | karsten-nr | simonlnu: I've seen that as well, on debian-user. |
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| 20:47.47 | karsten-nr | Just curious about how we should deal with the dpkg bot factoids. Looks like they're somewhat updated. |
| 20:48.00 | simonlnu | haven't been subbed to debian-user for a while |
| 20:48.10 | simonlnu | they are |
| 20:48.17 | karsten-nr | simonlnu: You're not simonrvn are you? |
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| 20:48.33 | karsten-nr | simonlnu: Ah, you are, sneaky, sneaky. |
| 20:48.34 | babilen | karsten-nr: Just keep on using it in that case. It was just "overthinking" the upgrades in some cases during the upgrade, hence the recommendation for apt-get |
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| 20:49.15 | karsten-nr | babilen: AFAIR I was on testing and just stuck with squeeze post-release. |
| 20:49.21 | karsten-nr | babilen: aptitude all the way. |
| 20:49.31 | simonlnu | karsten-nr: heh heh |
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| 20:50.41 | Michalxo | hello! I am having strange bug on my new debian stable fresh isntall on Thinkpad Edge 13 (intel U5600). When I reboot machine, it completely ignores bios and grub.. it just autoloads into first kernel. Only shutdown helps. Any ideas please? Thanks |
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| 20:56.43 | syhw | hello, I can't seem to be able to boot from md0 while setting up a raid-1 array. (I need to boot from md0 instead of sda1 to be able to synchronize up.) Can somebody help me? (I'm basing myself on http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-set-up-software-raid1-on-a-running-lvm-system-incl-grub2-configuration-ubuntu-10.04-p2 as everything else is Grub-1 outdated.) |
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| 20:57.02 | frewsxcv | is there a $PATH for libraries? |
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| 20:57.14 | blackplague1347 | If I want to run Debian with Gnome 3, can I do that with Testing or will I need Sid? |
| 20:57.30 | frewsxcv | blackplague1347: either will work |
| 20:57.46 | zleslie | karsten-nr: yes, I see little has changed |
| 20:58.07 | blackplague1347 | frewsxcv: So the .iso of wheezy/testing comes with Gnome 3 already? Or are you saying I can download/install the package myself using either? |
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| 20:59.29 | jelly-home | blackplague1347: what iso of wheezy? |
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| 21:01.52 | frewsxcv | blackplague1347: neither have gnome 3 in teh repos |
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| 21:02.27 | dgvr | Has anyone setup the built-in proxy in Debian? |
| 21:03.40 | babilen | frewsxcv: gnome3-session is in experimental right now. I wouldn't actually recommend to use it ... might work on wheezy/sid but might also break your system beyond all recognition. |
| 21:04.15 | jelly-home | fwiw, stuff in experimental is only meant to be used against sid |
| 21:04.19 | frewsxcv | is there a $PATH for libraries? |
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| 21:05.04 | jelly-home | frewsxcv: yes. /etc/ld.so.conf*; man ld.so |
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| 21:06.17 | jelly-home | frewsxcv: you can inspect the results of LD_LIBRARY_PATH settings on a binary using the "ldd" tool |
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| 21:10.46 | GuestOgre | hi |
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| 21:11.25 | S1kx | Is it possible to have more than 65k TCP sockets on 1 network interface? (since theres no more ports than that) |
| 21:13.12 | jelly-home | S1kx: sure, add more IP addresses. |
| 21:13.58 | woonix | 65k ought to be enough for anyone |
| 21:14.00 | woonix | :) |
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| 21:14.26 | S1kx | jelly-home: I mean if I only have 1 IP address on it |
| 21:14.49 | Iridos | one port on your machine can connect to several other machines |
| 21:15.01 | jelly-home | S1kx: now that's called introducing an extra restriction |
| 21:15.13 | Iridos | at least the other way around that's true |
| 21:15.20 | blizzow | okay, I'm struggling with getting syntax highlighting in vim on squeeze. I installed vim-runtime to no avail. Is there a different package providing syntax highlighting? |
| 21:15.23 | jelly-home | S1kx: why do you ask? |
| 21:15.41 | S1kx | because I have a server that needs to be able to deal with more connections than that |
| 21:15.52 | Iridos | blizzow, no, you need the full vim package (not vim-tiny) and you need to enable it in /etc/vimrc |
| 21:16.15 | Iridos | blizzow, /etc/vim/vimrc |
| 21:16.31 | jelly-home | S1kx: by "server", I assume you mean something running a TCP service? |
| 21:16.38 | S1kx | correct |
| 21:17.16 | blizzow | thanks guys. |
| 21:17.19 | jelly-home | S1kx: theoretically yes. In practice your service needs to be excellently designed. |
| 21:17.44 | S1kx | jelly-home: well. right now I am using ruby + eventmachine which uses epoll, that I know |
| 21:17.54 | S1kx | it does outgoing connections too |
| 21:18.13 | bzed | S1kx: my wild guess is that your machine will be dead with <<<32k connections |
| 21:18.34 | S1kx | I am currently having 150000 connections |
| 21:18.45 | S1kx | but I was wondering if the 65k port thing could cause problems, i.e. disconnects |
| 21:18.50 | jelly-home | S1kx: so you already have more than 64k |
| 21:19.16 | S1kx | lsof says yes, apart from that it's hard to track if the connections are going well |
| 21:19.28 | Iridos | jelly-home, unfair of you to come up with simple math and logic at this point! |
| 21:19.46 | jelly-home | Iridos: problem solved! NEXT |
| 21:19.47 | bzed | S1kx: your whatever-daemon should know that. |
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| 21:21.06 | Iridos | jelly-home, I think the restriction is that one thread can only have one connection open on one port (but can have multiple connections via multiple ports) |
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| 21:22.56 | jelly-home | Iridos: at this point I'd have to ask you about having read the classic paper, http://www.kegel.com/c10k.html |
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| 21:24.15 | Iridos | jelly-home, tl;dr |
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| 21:24.40 | jelly-home | it's interesting even if you're a lowly sysadmin like me |
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| 21:29.42 | kyle_ | hi |
| 21:29.54 | kyle_ | is there any application p2p like amule? |
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| 21:30.34 | ksk | hi |
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| 21:31.36 | ksk | whats "the" way to disable "start on boot" for an programme crontrolled by "/etc/init.d"? |
| 21:32.13 | Iridos | kyle_, well, perhaps ... amule? |
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| 21:32.37 | kyle_ | is there another option? |
| 21:33.25 | zleslie | I thought bittorrent put a bullet in the head of every other p2p software out there |
| 21:33.50 | kyle_ | i just want to search for music |
| 21:34.07 | zleslie | this is related to #debian how exactly? |
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| 21:34.39 | Iridos | apt-cache search p2p |
| 21:34.48 | Iridos | or perhaps apt-cache search edonkey |
| 21:35.10 | anon^_^ | apt-cache search google |
| 21:36.24 | Bushmills | ,versions amule |
| 21:36.25 | judd | Package amule on i386 -- lenny: 2.2.1-1+lenny2; lenny-security: 2.2.1-1+lenny2; squeeze: 2.2.6+debian0-8; wheezy: 2.2.6+debian0-8; sid: 2.2.6+debian0-9 |
| 21:36.27 | zleslie | what anon^_^ said |
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| 21:37.09 | biff2 | Hi. I have an readline app called xyz and file with commands to xyz. If I do $ xyz < commands, then commands are succesfully executed in xyz, but after xyz comes across EOF, it finishes. How do I prevent it, so that I can type more commands myself? |
| 21:37.11 | zleslie | Anyone know when nfs will work on kfbsd squeeze? |
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| 21:38.01 | Bushmills | though i'd rather use mldonkey |
| 21:38.02 | woonix | ksk: This works for me: update-rc.d <basename> disable |
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| 21:40.37 | Iridos | zleslie, checked the bts.? |
| 21:40.53 | babilen | ksk: Don't forget to run "insserv" afterwards -- Also look into "chkconfig" "rcconf" and "sysv-rc-conf" |
| 21:41.01 | zleslie | Iridos: I'll do that |
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| 21:43.08 | babilen | ksk: You might want to read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/03/msg00227.html (there is *not* a standard method right now) |
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| 21:43.40 | babilen | ksk: Or rather, the standard method is to set links manually with ln,cp,mv and run insserv |
| 21:43.59 | dougmencken | I just heard you dropped DEC Alpha... is it true? and what about MC68K? |
| 21:43.59 | dougmencken | "- Further on it was decided that the alpha port will be completely removed from Debian" |
| 21:45.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes, its true |
| 21:45.22 | ksk | babilen, woonix thanks |
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| 21:45.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | and afaik 68k has been on ports for a while now hasn't it? |
| 21:45.54 | dougmencken | Kamping_Kaiser: what's Debian will be? x86 only? |
| 21:46.11 | dougmencken | x86= any x86, any bitness |
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| 21:46.26 | babilen | dougmencken: http://www.debian.org/ports/ |
| 21:46.47 | Iridos | zleslie, depending on the situation, answer might well be "not" |
| 21:46.49 | simonlnu | so far, mips*, ppc, x86*, sparc |
| 21:46.54 | dougmencken | babilen: http://www.osnews.com/story/23071/GNU_Linux_Distros_Silently_Drop_PowerPC |
| 21:46.56 | simonlnu | arm* |
| 21:47.09 | zleslie | Iridos: its looking that way |
| 21:47.20 | babilen | dougmencken: ppc has not been dropped |
| 21:47.29 | dougmencken | Debain 2012: x86, x86, x86 :) |
| 21:47.37 | zleslie | balls |
| 21:48.17 | dougmencken | babilen: I can't build guile 2.0, can you help me? |
| 21:48.17 | babilen | why me? |
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| 21:48.32 | simonlnu | dougmencken: ah you wrote that =) |
| 21:48.49 | dougmencken | babilen: which guile is in the most new debian? |
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| 21:49.01 | Iridos | babilen, there's "victim" written on your forehead |
| 21:49.04 | dougmencken | simonlnu: about a year ago |
| 21:49.05 | simonlnu | ,versions guile-2.0 |
| 21:49.06 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'guile-2.0' was found in i386. |
| 21:49.11 | simonlnu | ,versions guile |
| 21:49.13 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'guile' was found in i386. |
| 21:49.23 | babilen | Iridos: Looks like it :) |
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| 21:49.27 | dougmencken | google://guile gnu then |
| 21:49.30 | simonlnu | judd: sc**w you |
| 21:49.56 | simonlnu | hands judd some screwdrivers |
| 21:50.04 | Iridos | judd, versions guile-1.8 |
| 21:50.06 | judd | Package guile-1.8 on i386 -- lenny: 1.8.5+1-4.1; sid: 1.8.7+1-3; squeeze: 1.8.7+1-3; wheezy: 1.8.7+1-3 |
| 21:50.29 | simonlnu | gtk and inconsistent version numbers ;p |
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| 21:50.42 | dougmencken | # guile --version (newline) Guile 1.8.7 << that's what I have |
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| 21:50.50 | rdz | hi all. i am about to upgrade a lenny machine to squeeze which uses lilo. i haven't updated the kernel yet, but apt-get told something about device names being changed and it complaint about the mentioning of '/dev/hda' in lilo.conf . should i simply change it to /dev/sda? (btw. i only have ssh access, thus i very much hope to be able to reboot that machine without troubles) |
| 21:51.15 | Iridos | babilen, well, you should wipe it off... take handkerchief, spit, rub |
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| 21:52.10 | simonlnu | dougmencken: dpkg -l guile-1.8 |
| 21:52.25 | Iridos | dpkg, lenny->squeeze |
| 21:52.25 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>. |
| 21:52.29 | simonlnu | though it's not going to matter much right now |
| 21:53.06 | rdz | Iridos, was that addressed to me? |
| 21:53.36 | rdz | Iridos, actually i am closely following the instructions, but they don't mention lilo |
| 21:53.37 | babilen | rdz: Yes, and please follow the release notes |
| 21:53.43 | simonlnu | dunno, should he have put your postal address in front of that? |
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| 21:54.18 | jhutchins_lt | rdz: What's usually recommended is to convert to UUID's in the fstab, I'm not sure what lilo wants. |
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| 21:55.23 | Iridos | rdz, yes... also /msg dpkg release notes - and I dunno about a hda/sda change on your system - all modernish (sata) drive use sda, and I think there were some switches hd*->sd* ages ago from one kernel to another |
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| 21:55.35 | simonlnu | lilo might not support that... |
| 21:55.47 | simonlnu | uuids |
| 21:55.48 | rdz | jhutchins_lt, i read that as well.. however there is no uuid for /dev/hda.. there seem to be only uuids for partitions, but not for whole devices |
| 21:56.01 | Iridos | rdz, you could always add boot stanzas for both, I guess (but have to decide on one for mounting /usr and the like) |
| 21:56.06 | rdz | Iridos, my box still use IDE drivees |
| 21:56.15 | simonlnu | rdz: yes, same here |
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| 21:56.36 | simonlnu | have both ide and scsi drives here, they both use the scsi subsystem |
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| 21:57.18 | simonlnu | has never even seen an sata cable, nm a drive |
| 21:57.19 | zleslie | git status |
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| 21:57.24 | zleslie | oops |
| 21:57.30 | simonlnu | zleslie: heh |
| 21:57.53 | Iridos | zleslie, now type some passwords |
| 21:58.00 | simonlnu | no "git st" ? :P |
| 21:58.12 | zleslie | Iridos: I use public keys :) |
| 21:58.19 | simonlnu | Iridos: nyah |
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| 21:58.55 | owen1 | any x61 tablet user can share his battery life? mine dies in 1 hour and i am afraid to buy a bigger battery since it might be a debian problem. |
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| 21:59.34 | simonlnu | "Debian never has problems!!!111!! I have 1 year uptimes!!1!!1" |
| 22:00.32 | simonlnu | sorry.. gl with that |
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| 22:01.06 | rdz | simonlnu, you're on squeeze and your IDE drives are listed as sdx instead of hdx? |
| 22:01.07 | jhutchins_lt | rdz: Ah, true. |
| 22:01.54 | simonlnu | rdz: sid, lenny, etch, whatever. it's been a while. |
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| 22:02.28 | rdz | simonlnu, still on lenny, my drives are listed as hdx |
| 22:02.38 | simonlnu | kernel version? |
| 22:02.50 | rdz | simonlnu, 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 22:03.03 | jhutchins_lt | rdz: The transition happens between.26 and .32. |
| 22:03.07 | rdz | simonlnu, do you know if that will change, when i upgrade the kernel to .32? |
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| 22:03.15 | simonlnu | i usually build my own, so i switched early |
| 22:03.17 | rdz | jhutchins_lt, ah thanks very much |
| 22:03.27 | rdz | simonlnu, i see |
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| 22:04.04 | rdz | jhutchins_lt, so i guess i need to put 'boot=/dev/sda' into my lilo.conf.. i hope that'll work.. anyway, many thanks for that hint |
| 22:04.52 | jhutchins_lt | rdz: Don't forget to run lilo after you update. It would be good if you knew someone was available at the datacenter before you reboot too. |
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| 22:06.58 | Iridos | ops, of course only automatically ever boots into one |
| 22:06.59 | Iridos | ahem |
| 22:07.19 | Iridos | but apropos booting anyway... what's that kexec stuff on a reboot now? |
| 22:07.40 | rdz | jhutchins_lt, thanks, i won't |
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| 22:12.58 | riddlebox | what is the apt-get command to reinstall a package? |
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| 22:15.12 | babilen | riddlebox: "aptitude reinstall PKG" or "man apt-get" |
| 22:15.19 | rdz | riddlebox, i only know 'aptitutde reinstall pkg' |
| 22:15.23 | Achylles_ | riddlebox, apt-get install --reinstall pkg |
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| 22:15.38 | babilen | Achylles_: ah, let him read a little ;) |
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| 22:15.53 | rofl0r | is there a channel for sid ? |
| 22:15.57 | babilen | no |
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| 22:16.27 | Achylles_ | babilen, :) |
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| 22:17.58 | rofl0r | ok trying to install a package @sid, but it depends on virtual package and dont want to install it. can i get the version from testing somehow ? |
| 22:18.53 | jargon- | anybody know of a way to autoshutdown after a pre-termined number of minutes of user idle time? |
| 22:19.00 | babilen | rofl0r: Could you be a bit more specific? sources, which package, .... |
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| 22:19.06 | Achylles_ | rofl0r, have a look in synaptic to force a version, if it is available |
| 22:19.13 | rofl0r | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 22:19.13 | rofl0r | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:19.39 | ace_ | Hi |
| 22:19.47 | ace_ | any bosy on the serv ?? |
| 22:19.50 | babilen | rofl0r: And you can do something like "aptitude -t wheezy install FOO" or "aptitude install FOO=1.2.3-1" |
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| 22:20.25 | Charrit | hi, in logrotate if I'm using 'dateext' for adding date instead extension, how can I retrieve de filename for use un postrotate? |
| 22:20.30 | babilen | rofl0r: â http://paste.debian.net -- but things like that happen on sid. You might just have to wait it out. Install the package from wheezy in the meantime |
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| 22:20.44 | rofl0r | ok thanks |
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| 22:21.43 | babilen | rofl0r: the 1.2.3-1 is the respective version if that wasn't obvious -- Have fun! :) |
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| 22:25.00 | rofl0r | babilen, if i install it from source, does that break the package management ? |
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| 22:32.12 | streuner_ | rofl0r: should that be a joke? |
| 22:32.44 | rofl0r | no. |
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| 22:33.02 | streuner_ | rofl0r: (installing from source doesnt even touch the package system of Debian at all) |
| 22:33.25 | rofl0r | ah right |
| 22:33.51 | babilen | Make sure you install to /usr/local though. stow helps with that. /msg dpkg stow ; /msg dpkg stow usage |
| 22:34.05 | babilen | rofl0r: Can't you pull it from wheezy? |
| 22:34.07 | LinkRage | I just did aptitude install postgresql on fresh debian sqeezee AMD64 install, and /etc/init.d/postgresql start really nothing, strace only says /etc/postgresql/8.4" No such file. How should I troubleshoot this? |
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| 22:34.30 | rofl0r | no, it doesnt work. i could install libgif-dev in the required version though. |
| 22:34.43 | rofl0r | but it seems to resist on using the non -dev version |
| 22:34.48 | rofl0r | s/re/in |
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| 22:39.31 | rofl0r | stow seems to be a good tip, thanks for that |
| 22:39.37 | g00se | I'm behind a NAT router and have got exim4 bound to 127.0.0.1. Port 25 is directed to the right box. Can it still receive external connections? |
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| 22:40.30 | Bushmills | connections, yes. but not to exim |
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| 22:41.22 | g00se | Bushmills: Because it's bound to 127.0.0.1? |
| 22:41.27 | Bushmills | right |
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| 22:41.59 | g00se | What if it were bound to 192.168.1.4 ? |
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| 22:42.22 | Bushmills | depends on what is connected to the interface with that ip address |
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| 22:42.59 | g00se | Bushmills: Put it this way: the box can get connections to apache |
| 22:43.05 | jsnikeris | debian.security.org down? |
| 22:43.23 | streuner_ | jsnikeris: its a round-robin... |
| 22:43.40 | streuner_ | could be, that some server doenst work atm now... |
| 22:43.47 | jsnikeris | ahh OK |
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| 22:43.57 | jsnikeris | I'm getting unknown host when I try to ping it |
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| 22:44.07 | jsnikeris | seems like that would be a different problem |
| 22:44.08 | g00se | With apache, it's bound to :::80 |
| 22:45.14 | streuner_ | jsnikeris: amset:/tmp# ping -c1 security.debian.org |
| 22:45.14 | streuner_ | PING security.debian.org (212.211.132.250) 56(84) bytes of data. |
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| 22:45.36 | streuner_ | jsnikeris: --- security.debian.org ping statistics --- |
| 22:45.36 | streuner_ | 1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms |
| 22:45.50 | jsnikeris | I must be having some DNS issues then. |
| 22:45.58 | streuner_ | hm |
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| 22:46.28 | jsnikeris | I can't access debian.org either |
| 22:46.37 | streuner_ | jsnikeris: there is a solution for, just make an entry in /etc/hosts |
| 22:47.07 | streuner_ | security.debian.org 212.211.132.150 |
| 22:47.26 | jsnikeris | streuner_: yah, I'll just wait. setting security.debian.org to an IP I got from a random dude on IRC doesn't seem like a good idea |
| 22:47.26 | streuner_ | if it still doesnt work, its a DNS issue then |
| 22:47.30 | jsnikeris | :) |
| 22:47.54 | jsnikeris | yah I can't ping that IP |
| 22:48.07 | streuner_ | well, you are able to delete the entry then |
| 22:48.55 | streuner_ | or you just use another DNS server |
| 22:49.45 | streuner_ | jsnikeris: well, thats a bad sign then |
| 22:49.57 | themill | jsnikeris: you're well advised not to ping that IP given that streuner_ gave you the wrong one |
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| 22:50.25 | JoshH | 212.211.132.150 is not one of the records for security.debian.org |
| 22:50.28 | jsnikeris | themill: no harm in pinging somewhere |
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| 22:50.42 | JoshH | security.debian.org has address 128.101.240.212 |
| 22:50.43 | JoshH | security.debian.org has address 149.20.20.6 |
| 22:50.43 | JoshH | security.debian.org has address 128.31.0.36 |
| 22:50.43 | JoshH | security.debian.org has IPv6 address 2001:4f8:8:36::6 |
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| 22:50.43 | themill | jsnikeris: or rather, you're well advised not to include that in /etc/hosts |
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| 22:50.53 | jsnikeris | themill: yes, thanks |
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| 22:51.37 | jsnikeris | yah I'll just wait. From traceroute output I'm getting is just dying somewhere along the line |
| 22:51.39 | streuner_ | if you have to install important packages right now, its useful, IMO |
| 22:51.57 | streuner_ | but generally just do an entry in /etc/hosts :-) |
| 22:52.17 | jsnikeris | alright, thanks all. I'm off |
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| 22:52.24 | streuner_ | s/do an/ dont do/ |
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| 22:53.54 | streuner_ | JoshH: besides, my DNS sucks today too ;-) |
| 22:54.02 | JoshH | heh |
| 22:54.46 | streuner_ | <JoshH> 212.211.132.150 is not one of the records for security.debian.org |
| 22:54.49 | JoshH | figured it would take more than 4 lines for a kick |
| 22:55.10 | JoshH | streuner_: ya, i checked 4.2.2.2 and my own server |
| 22:55.12 | streuner_ | yeah, depends in what time |
| 22:55.16 | streuner_ | huh |
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| 22:58.15 | LinkRage | is it normal postgresql_8.4.7-0squeeze2_all.deb to be just 20kb in size? |
| 22:58.39 | LinkRage | i think that's the reason for tha data files missing in /var :( |
| 22:58.45 | streuner_ | sounds like a metapagage? |
| 22:58.54 | themill | ,info postgresql |
| 22:58.57 | judd | Package postgresql (database, optional) in squeeze/i386: object-relational SQL database (supported version). Version: 8.4.7-0squeeze2; Size: 19.6k; Installed: 28k; Homepage: http://www.postgresql.org/ |
| 22:58.58 | streuner_ | package* |
| 22:59.11 | LinkRage | I see |
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| 22:59.37 | rofl0r | only 28kb ? thats pretty l33t |
| 22:59.49 | streuner_ | !metapakage |
| 22:59.57 | streuner_ | !metapackage |
| 22:59.57 | dpkg | i heard metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example). |
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| 23:00.33 | dvs | !depends postgresql |
| 23:00.49 | dpkg | postgresql: depends on postgresql-8.4 |
| 23:01.47 | streuner_ | dpkg, depends postgreql-8.4 |
| 23:01.58 | LinkRage | E: Package postgresql-8.4 has no installation candidate :( |
| 23:02.01 | streuner_ | dpkg, depends postgresql-8.4 |
| 23:02.07 | dpkg | postgresql-8.4: depends on libc6 (>= 2.11), libcomerr2 (>= 1.01), libgssapi-krb5-2 (>= 1.8+dfsg), libkrb5-3 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libldap-2.4-2 (>= 2.4.7), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libpq5 (>= 8.4~0cvs20090328), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8m-1), libxml2 (>= 2.7.4), postgresql-client-8.4, postgresql-common (>= 109~), tzdata, ssl-cert, locales |
| 23:02.10 | themill | streuner_: just use judd... |
| 23:02.37 | streuner_ | themill: when do you realize that i never give up on dpkg? :-P |
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| 23:03.03 | streuner_ | old habits die hard... |
| 23:03.04 | themill | streuner_: being drunk gives you no sense of the time that passes, I guess. |
| 23:03.28 | themill | LinkRage: "/msg dpkg bat" and provide a bit more information in a pastebin for us, please |
| 23:03.42 | LinkRage | themill, ok thanks! |
| 23:03.43 | streuner_ | themill: you unteresmitated old habits ;-) |
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| 23:09.54 | LinkRage | themill, this is on fresh debian install -> http://paste.debian.net/112368/ |
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| 23:10.22 | LinkRage | AMD64 |
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| 23:12.34 | LinuxGuy2009 | I'm wondering what the deal is when I install Debian with normal partitioning that everything works great and grub has the new background image, but if I try and install with a software RAID 0 setup it installs the same but grub doesnt have the nice background. Is that just maybe a small bug or is there a rational reason for it? |
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| 23:16.45 | karsten-nr | what's a good way to resolve a large spell of IPv4 space specified by CIDR block? |
| 23:17.05 | karsten-nr | eg: 192.168.0.0/24 192.168.0.1/24 10.0.0.0/8 ... |
| 23:18.20 | karsten-nr | I'm doing an nmap -sP but it's taking a while. I guess it'll get there. |
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| 23:22.56 | Scramblejams | Hi all, any route wizards here? |
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| 23:23.25 | streuner_ | nah |
| 23:23.32 | Saar | state your question |
| 23:23.34 | Scramblejams | :-) |
| 23:23.39 | Scramblejams | ok |
| 23:23.50 | streuner_ | route issues in Debian are usually an issue of interfaces... |
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| 23:24.59 | Scramblejams | I've got a working internet connection, that's all good, over say eth0. Now I add another internet connection, tun0, without doing any route additions. I would like my traffic, by default to go out over eth0. But programs I can bind to tun0 should have their traffic go out over that interface. Any idea how I should use route to do that? |
| 23:24.59 | Saar | karsten-nr: i think some fancy scripting and the creative use of "dig" will go a long way |
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| 23:25.36 | Saar | tun0? you using openvpn? |
| 23:25.38 | karsten-nr | Saar: I think nmap'll do me. Probing an ASN for all known hosts. |
| 23:26.04 | Saar | what i do with openvpn is stick a proxy at the vpn server and tell my browser to use that |
| 23:26.15 | Scramblejams | Saar: yes |
| 23:26.45 | JoshH | the openvpn server should send you routes that will use it |
| 23:26.52 | JoshH | or you can add them yourself |
| 23:27.01 | Saar | say the tun0 has address 10.0.8.5, the remote server is 10.0.8.1, then your proxy points to http://10.0.8.1:portnr |
| 23:27.24 | Scramblejams | The trouble is that I don't have control over the openvpn server, and the route changes it pushes to me set the default route, so everything goes over the vpn. I've set "route-nopull" locally to avoid that, but then I need to supply all the route commands myself. |
| 23:27.37 | Saar | thats the easiest, you can also use routing but that requires more fancy stuff |
| 23:27.45 | Scramblejams | Saar: I'm not using a browser for this, I've got some random promiscuous internet proggies that need to use that interface |
| 23:27.47 | Saar | oh ok |
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| 23:28.17 | Saar | Scramblejams: what traffic u want to go through the vpn? |
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| 23:28.36 | Saar | all? or just some, say a geo IP blocked video stream? :) |
| 23:28.42 | Scramblejams | Saar: Just traffic which comes from the processes I bind to the tun0 interface. (I've verified the processes in question can be bound.) |
| 23:28.42 | alpha^ | I'm trying to create an LDAP server for our department. We have a main LDAP for our campus that we cannot rely upon. We would like to, however, baseline the database with entries from the main LDAP database. Can we do this with readonly access to the main db? |
| 23:28.51 | Scramblejams | Saar: haha no :-) |
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| 23:30.02 | Saar | ah ok, so the vpn server pushes routes to you that make your whole system use that as its default route |
| 23:30.12 | Scramblejams | Correct |
| 23:30.15 | Saar | and you just want a few programs to use tun0 and nothing else |
| 23:30.19 | Scramblejams | Right. |
| 23:30.32 | Saar | hrm thats more tricky |
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| 23:31.04 | Saar | i would do it with a proxy, many programs obey a shell variable "http_proxy" for example |
| 23:31.19 | Scramblejams | Because the routing stuff matches on IP, right? Meaning, that if I do a "route add 0.0.0.0 hw w.x.y.z dev tun0", it's gonna match on everything |
| 23:31.25 | Saar | you could set the proxy up locally since u dont control the vpn server |
| 23:32.11 | Saar | you have user space routing or whatever, but i don't know much about that |
| 23:32.18 | Scramblejams | Saar: This unfortunately is some closed source program (some industry-specific stuff, process controls), that can be bound to an interface, but not much more than that. |
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| 23:32.41 | Saar | what ahppens if you bind it to tun0? |
| 23:32.59 | Scramblejams | It can't see anything at all. |
| 23:33.34 | Scramblejams | I looked at the openvpn's route commands it wanted to pass me. It gave four of them, one of which set the default route. I did the other 3, but that didn't help. |
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| 23:35.54 | Scramblejams | here's what my routing table looks like if i let openvpn set all the routes for me, don't know if this helps: http://pastebin.com/bpYcYrNJ |
| 23:37.19 | Scramblejams | And here are the routing commands passed to me by the openvpn server: http://pastebin.com/nyd9juYD |
| 23:37.36 | Scramblejams | (my local network is 10.0.0.x) |
| 23:37.44 | Saar | i see |
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| 23:38.40 | Saar | does this app you use have the ability to use a proxy? |
| 23:39.02 | Scramblejams | Unfortunately not that I know of. Binding to an interface is all I have, unless there's something in userspace I can do. |
| 23:39.44 | Scramblejams | (of course I've got root access on the client machine, so anything kernel level is available to me as well...) |
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| 23:40.30 | Saar | so the app listens on the IP of tun0, what port? |
| 23:40.42 | Bushmills | Scramblejams: maybe - just a thought - you can NAT packets coming in on tun0, thereby giving them a distinct source address, which you otoh can backroute to? |
| 23:40.59 | Scramblejams | Bushmills: that sounds like advanced stuff! :-/ |
| 23:41.03 | Saar | ugh that sounds ugly |
| 23:41.11 | Saar | NAT... |
| 23:41.12 | Scramblejams | Saar: It doesn't listen much, actually. It mainly does outbound connections. |
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| 23:42.20 | Saar | but if your default route points to tun0 the app can make outbound connections, since all your network traffic goes through tun0 |
| 23:42.40 | Scramblejams | Right. |
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| 23:43.13 | Saar | why not put the app on its own dedicated machine where you dont care if all traffic goes through tun0 |
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| 23:43.49 | Scramblejams | 'Cause that seems like too heavyweight a solution? :-) |
| 23:43.58 | Resilience | hello to everyone, I'm installing a new debian box, and I'm going to make two partitions, / and /home, how big must be the / partition? I have one old box with 20 GiB which is almost full... may I make it 40 GiB? |
| 23:44.07 | Scramblejams | I mean I could run another debian instance in virtualbox, but ... bleah! |
| 23:45.18 | Saar | yeah for example |
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| 23:45.45 | Scramblejams | Resilience: As with most things, the answer is, "it depends." For instance, I have a box that runs a few Postgres and Mysql databases, and those go in /var. So my /var's bigger than usual. |
| 23:45.57 | Saar | Scramblejams: but you avoid the app's stupidity and breaking your head on a solution |
| 23:46.53 | Scramblejams | Saar: Yeah, it just seems silly -- I've got all the connectivity in this one machine, it would sure seem like there would be a way for the system to say, "if a program is bound to this interface, I'll send its traffic over this interface and give it a route out to the internet." |
| 23:47.56 | Resilience | Scramblejams, of course it depends, it will be a debian desktop (nor a server), with nothing special nor "out of place" or with special location |
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| 23:49.34 | Scramblejams | Saar: It's similar in principle to a laptop with both a wireless and a wired connection, no? Like if I want all my default traffic to go via wireless, but if I'm doing the occasional big file transfer, I'd like to use that gigabit port to hit the fileserver. Bind ssh to that interface and go... |
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| 23:51.45 | Saar | yeah, well |
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| 23:52.07 | Saar | since network-manager is a piece of shit |
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| 23:52.16 | Saar | your mileage may vary :) |
| 23:52.18 | Scramblejams | haha yeah i hate that thing |
| 23:52.27 | Scramblejams | seemed very nice up until it gave me enormous trouble |
| 23:52.47 | Bushmills | network-mismanager |
| 23:52.51 | Scramblejams | i've been reduced to dreaming about writing patches for wicd... |
| 23:53.05 | Saar | i recently installed ipmasq (uses iptables) on a laptop and that caused network-manager to totally lose its mind |
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| 23:54.15 | Saar | Scramblejams: so you can successfully bind ssh to an interface and it works, but you can't do it with the app, now if ssh can bind to tun0 and work, and the app can not the app has issues, since it's closed source i'd say work around it |
| 23:54.19 | Scramblejams | Resilience: FWIW, I'm using about 30 gigs in / of my very heavily used laptop. But then I've got lots of server apps in there... |
| 23:55.00 | Scramblejams | Saar: good point, I'll see if ssh can just bind to it and go, and if so, then yeah, I'll have to do something silly. |
| 23:55.04 | Resilience | Scramblejams, I'm using lotos of user applictions in my desktop... seems like 40 GiB not being a crazy thing,right? |
| 23:55.18 | Saar | can the app bind to ethX? maybe create a virtual eth0:1 which then directs traffic to tun0 |
| 23:55.31 | Scramblejams | Saar: sure, it can bind to anything |
| 23:55.39 | Scramblejams | (i expect) |
| 23:55.41 | Saar | yes i mean successfully |
| 23:55.44 | Bushmills | Resilience: about 15 GiB used for 2250 packages on / with seperate /home here |
| 23:55.58 | Saar | maybe it gets confused about the name tun0 :D |
| 23:56.11 | Scramblejams | ok yeah i'll take a look at that |
| 23:56.34 | Saar | someone on a list recently posted about the paypal API not being able to use IPv6 /o\ |
| 23:56.50 | LinuxGuy2009 | I would really like to be able to use the software-center on my offline machine and the 8 DVD repository set. When i try and install something with it I get a popup window that says "Requires installation of untrusted packages. The action would require the installation of packages from not authenticated sources." Is there some workaround? |
| 23:56.56 | Scramblejams | i hate paypal too -- ya know, if that helps. :-) |
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| 23:57.06 | Resilience | Bushmills, I know but my / (in other computer) is almost 20 Gib (as the partition) and it is making me trouble |
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| 23:57.23 | Scramblejams | Resilience: how is it making you trouble? |
| 23:57.45 | Saar | https://cms.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?cmd=_render-content&content_ID=developer/e_howto_api_nvp_r_DoDirectPayment |
| 23:57.47 | Bushmills | that includes about 3 GiB in /usr/local and /usr/src |
| 23:57.50 | Resilience | scrmblelmost full :) |
| 23:58.23 | Bushmills | Resilience: mount --bind for the rescue |
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| 23:59.04 | Saar | i think you should create a small / say 2 GB and separate partitions for /usr /var /home /opt /tmp etc. |
| 23:59.11 | Resilience | Bushmills, I don't understand, what rescue? |
| 23:59.48 | Saar | unless you neverr emove old kernels |
| 23:59.52 | Bushmills | move stuff like /usr/share/doc or other sizeable subdirectory branches to other volume |
| 23:59.55 | Scramblejams | Saar: I spent a week doing paypal WPP subscription integration for a BlackBerry app, only to discover that for subscriptions it would redirect the user to their "we don't do mobile html for this!" page and that was the end of that. they're unbelievable. |