| 00:00.10 | Saar | gee |
| 00:00.13 | Saar | lame |
| 00:00.52 | Saar | / normally in that case won't go much fuller than 250 MB |
| 00:01.00 | Saar | is what i tried to say |
| 00:01.27 | Scramblejams | Saar: I always want to partition that way but never do. I'm always worried about leaving too much space on the table or not enough. |
| 00:01.35 | Resilience | Saar, my main worry now is not making the new system / directory small for the future |
| 00:01.37 | Scramblejams | zfs sure is nice that way. |
| 00:02.15 | Big_Brother | how would i change a password from one of my accounts if i can't access the main system ? |
| 00:03.15 | Bushmills | Big_Brother: you ask somebody who can to do that for you |
| 00:03.16 | Scramblejams | Saar: okay, ssh isn't getting any love. but, i suspect there isn't any kind of a gateway specified for this interface. i'll see if i can fiddle with those route commands i pastebinned... |
| 00:03.45 | Big_Brother | Bushmills? |
| 00:03.47 | Saar | the gateway for tun0 would be the remote vpn IP i'd say |
| 00:03.50 | Scramblejams | yeah my route table is quite naked. |
| 00:03.53 | Scramblejams | ok |
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| 00:04.06 | Big_Brother | Bushmills, it's my own computer... i just haven't used it in quite some times. |
| 00:04.08 | Big_Brother | time |
| 00:04.38 | Resilience | Scramblejams, Bushmills by the way, with 3 Gib of RAM, how muh swap do I have to make? 10 GiB? 20 GIB? |
| 00:05.23 | Bushmills | Resilience: depends on how much memory you expect to be using. if you need 10 GiB of swap, better think of upgrading RAM |
| 00:05.50 | Scramblejams | Big_Brother: oh for that i usually mount up the drive on another machine, then look in /etc/shadow at what the hash for a password i know looks like, then paste that into the /etc/shadow on the other drive for the affected account. a pain but it works. you could do it with a rescue cd too. |
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| 00:06.00 | Resilience | Bushmills, I suposse I wil use a little swap sometimes, 5 GiB is ok? |
| 00:06.21 | Scramblejams | Resilience: have you noticed how much swap you're using now generally? |
| 00:06.27 | Bushmills | sounds plenty to me, but your needs may be different |
| 00:06.42 | Scramblejams | 'cause if it's a desktop and you need more than 3 gigs of swap (1:1 memory), i'd say buy some ram |
| 00:06.59 | Scramblejams | a desktop that's using that much swap is just horrible to use |
| 00:07.02 | Big_Brother | grabs an old ubuntu cd and tosses it in the system before it burns his hands too badly. |
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| 00:07.58 | Scramblejams | Big_Brother: problem with using a rescue cd is that the password hash is a pain to type in, better if you can copy and paste it. guess you could remedy that with a flash drive bearing a text file. |
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| 00:08.54 | Bushmills | just chroot to the volume with lost passwd, and change it by running the passwd program |
| 00:09.11 | Resilience | Scramblejams, I'm running it with no swap (sometimes and app reboots, and that's all) |
| 00:09.20 | Scramblejams | Bushmills: haha that's so much easier |
| 00:09.29 | Scramblejams | I do tend to overcomplicate things. |
| 00:09.50 | Scramblejams | Good thing nobody pays me to admin. |
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| 00:12.17 | Big_Brother | Bushmills, i was planning on doing that |
| 00:12.31 | Big_Brother | but i forgot how i did it with an ubuntu system i had. |
| 00:12.58 | Bushmills | googles that funny term "ubuntu" |
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| 00:13.46 | dvs | Bushmills: it means "to do harm to Debian admins" ;-) |
| 00:14.40 | Scramblejams | i wish i understood routing, but i don't want to work hard enough to understand routing |
| 00:15.00 | Bushmills | if you spell it backwards, it reads like "utnoobu" |
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| 00:20.03 | Resilience | Scramblejams, Bushmills how can I know the historical usage of my swap partition? some log? |
| 00:20.35 | Scramblejams | Resilience: just from looking at it. |
| 00:20.46 | Scramblejams | Resilience: but if course for that, you have to be using it :-) |
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| 00:21.05 | electroglue | hello, I would like a few tips on raid configuration of a server. 6 100GB disks Raid 5 gives me 500GB. Should I just use the whole array for Debian and Xen or should I make a seperate small array for the OS and another for system usage |
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| 00:21.14 | Bushmills | Resilience: i use munin to monitor, among others, memory including swap use over time |
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| 00:22.00 | Resilience | Bushmills, waht's munin? some kind of daemon? |
| 00:22.23 | Scramblejams | BTW, has anyone seen this problem on a RAID that's getting fairly full (> 80%): making directories is reaaaaaally slow and ties up the disks for quite a while. Happens on new file creations too sometimes. |
| 00:22.24 | Bushmills | server/client system monitoring+graphing package |
| 00:22.44 | Scramblejams | (this is on ext3) |
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| 00:24.28 | Saar | electroglue: do you use a hardware raid controller or is shits mdadm? |
| 00:24.35 | Saar | or is this |
| 00:24.39 | Saar | urk |
| 00:25.02 | Saar | Scramblejams: mdadm? raid5? |
| 00:25.09 | Scramblejams | Saar: mdadm, raid6 |
| 00:25.15 | Saar | well |
| 00:25.21 | Saar | raid5 and raid6 are slow |
| 00:25.22 | cobe571 | I tried in every way ... gnome-bluetooth, bluemon, bludevil, etc.. There is a way to send files from cell to pc via bluetooth? from pc to cell works, but not the other way... |
| 00:25.43 | Saar | i'd avoid it unless you dont care about slowness and less redundancy |
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| 00:25.59 | Scramblejams | Saar: this is abnormal slowness though. like, i can pull 70 megs/sec from the machine no problem, and write 30 megs/sec ok. but when i make a directory i end up waiting for two minutes |
| 00:26.26 | Saar | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/why-raid-5-stops-working-in-2009/162 |
| 00:27.08 | Saar | hm maybe it has a lot of files? |
| 00:27.11 | cobe571 | package gnome-obex-server do not exists anymore... there's a way to send files from cellphone to pc? |
| 00:27.23 | Saar | and directories |
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| 00:27.49 | Saar | i dont know, just guessing, but if you have lots of files and dirs it may slow it down |
| 00:27.57 | Saar | the filesystem |
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| 00:29.10 | Scramblejams | Saar: is that related to inode usage? i checked that, only 3% used. |
| 00:29.17 | Saar | oh |
| 00:29.22 | Saar | hm i think so |
| 00:29.43 | Saar | i use xfs on everything but the boot partition |
| 00:29.53 | Saar | i've found it quite fast |
| 00:29.54 | Scramblejams | ha k |
| 00:30.12 | Saar | for boot partition i use ext3 |
| 00:30.47 | Saar | and for raids i mainly use raid10 and raid1 (raid0 if i want a non redundant fast device) |
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| 00:31.12 | Saar | i haven't noticed this problem myself ever |
| 00:31.14 | Scramblejams | yeah that gets expensive when you want a 16 tb array... |
| 00:31.26 | Saar | it depends :) |
| 00:31.47 | Saar | if this is for your home yes, if its for a business it's not |
| 00:32.04 | Saar | a broken raid5/6 that's expensive ;-) |
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| 00:32.49 | Saar | i wonder how long it'd take to restore 16 TB using tapes... |
| 00:33.05 | Scramblejams | true, this is for home |
| 00:33.37 | Saar | a raid10 doesn't lose that much space compared to a raid5/6 |
| 00:34.12 | Saar | i like how with mdadm you can make a raid10 out of 3 disks |
| 00:34.29 | Scramblejams | oh yeah? haha that's great |
| 00:34.50 | Scramblejams | Like with a pair of 1s and a single 2? |
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| 00:35.13 | Saar | uhm |
| 00:35.48 | Saar | there are various strategies |
| 00:35.51 | electroglue | Saar: yes this Raid5 is slow it seems |
| 00:36.04 | Saar | such as disk 1 mirrors on disk 2, disk 2 on disk 3 etc |
| 00:36.07 | electroglue | Saar: |
| 00:36.09 | Saar | or disk 1 on disk 3 |
| 00:36.32 | Saar | or they all mirror on 1 disk |
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| 00:37.07 | electroglue | I'd like to have the redundancy as this box will host quite a few vm's |
| 00:38.22 | Saar | i.e. near copies, offsets, far copies |
| 00:39.13 | Saar | electroglue: i'd say a raid10 is pretty much a necessity |
| 00:39.33 | Scramblejams | Saar: that's all beyond me |
| 00:39.33 | Saar | since i/o speed will be a major bottleneck |
| 00:39.40 | electroglue | So would you only use one array or two ? |
| 00:39.46 | Saar | Scramblejams: well i had to do a man mdadm ;-) |
| 00:39.51 | Scramblejams | haha |
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| 00:40.23 | Saar | why remember what you can look up, i studied it when making a decision creating a raid10 with 3 devices... then i forgot about it mostly |
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| 00:41.07 | ranix | raid 10 with 3 devices is not possible yo |
| 00:41.08 | Saar | i managed to create a 3 disk softraid10 during debian install which even boots |
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| 00:41.25 | Saar | yes it is |
| 00:41.39 | ranix | raid1 is mirroring and raid0 is striping |
| 00:41.46 | electroglue | Saar: this is with a raid controller though |
| 00:41.50 | ranix | how do you mirror for redundancy and stripe for performance across 3 disks |
| 00:42.13 | cobe571 | !bluetooth | cobe571 |
| 00:42.39 | simonlnu | cobe571: !bluetooth |
| 00:42.39 | Scramblejams | sorry cobe571 i don't use bt |
| 00:42.55 | Saar | electroglue: still too slow |
| 00:42.55 | simonlnu | cobe571: you can also /msg the bot |
| 00:43.00 | cobe571 | im tryiing to find answers |
| 00:43.11 | ranix | a noble endeavour |
| 00:43.15 | karsten-nr | cobe571: I'm trying to hide them. |
| 00:43.26 | karsten-nr | cobe571: We could make quite the team. |
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| 00:43.45 | cobe571 | forgive me |
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| 00:44.11 | electroglue | Saar: i just did a test I can write a 1GB file in 8 seconds 182MB/s |
| 00:44.13 | cobe571 | but im out of my head trying to resolve a thing |
| 00:44.15 | karsten-nr | !forgive cobe571 |
| 00:44.15 | dpkg | Well, cobe571 boy, I guess I could do that. But I believe forgiving is God's job, I'm just arranging the meeting. *blows cobe571 head apart with .44 magnum* |
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| 00:44.27 | karsten-nr | cobe571: Sorry. |
| 00:44.36 | Saar | electroglue: you should use a raid10 |
| 00:44.52 | cobe571 | I tried in every way ... gnome-bluetooth, bluemon, bludevil, etc.. There is a way to send files from cell to pc via bluetooth? from pc to cell works, but not the other way.. |
| 00:44.54 | Saar | and tell the controller to "carve" a small boot device from it |
| 00:44.56 | karsten-nr | cobe571: WRT your question: depends a lot on the specifics of the phone, and what capabilities it has. Bluetooth is just an underlying transport/communications channel. |
| 00:45.05 | ranix | I'd love to hear how you raid10 on 3 disks Saar |
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| 00:45.46 | cobe571 | package gnome-obex-server do not exists anymore... there's a way to send files from cellphone to pc? some time ago i was able to send files from cell to my pc |
| 00:45.50 | Saar | electroglue: when i first installed vmware esxi i accidentally installed a virtual machine on the same disk that esxi was on... that was very slow |
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| 00:46.09 | Saar | i didn't use a raid, but i chose to install each machine on its own disk |
| 00:46.33 | cobe571 | karsten-nr package gnome-obex-server do not exists anymore... there's a way to send files from cellphone to pc? some time ago i was able to send files from cell to my pc |
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| 00:47.26 | Saar | ranix: something like " mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=10 --raid-devices=3 /dev/sd[abc]1" |
| 00:47.29 | Saar | try it |
| 00:47.30 | Saar | it works |
| 00:47.41 | karsten-nr | cobe571: I use a cable and mount my phone as a removeable flash storage device. |
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| 00:48.04 | cobe571 | :-\ |
| 00:48.05 | karsten-nr | cobe571: Otherwise: I can email from my phone, which is sort of bass-ackwards, but works. Android, BTW. |
| 00:48.05 | Saar | for example, sda1 puts copies on sdb1 and sdc1 |
| 00:48.09 | karsten-nr | cobe571: What kind of phone? |
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| 00:48.47 | karsten-nr | What are the components of a domain name called, generically? Eg: www.google.com: www / google / com are ... ? |
| 00:48.52 | LinuxGuy2009 | Are there any apps that I can point to a web address or maybe even a google image search and download all images found there? |
| 00:49.23 | Saar | electroglue: one time i had to deal with a server that had oracle10 running on a raid5, one particular import of a dump took weaks, wheras on a raid10 it took less than a day |
| 00:49.31 | Saar | weeks even |
| 00:50.07 | Saar | electroglue: a raid5 is even slower than a single disk, only use it for storage, if you have to |
| 00:50.29 | Saar | the virrual machines will start competing for io |
| 00:50.31 | electroglue | Saar: I am reading that now |
| 00:50.48 | cobe571 | karsten-nr since the coders deleted the gnome obex server, bluetooth not working anymore on debian. it is not the fault of the phone or the adapter, and I can not use a cable |
| 00:51.24 | electroglue | Saar: thanks for the information. I just didnt understand why it so slow |
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| 00:51.39 | karsten-nr | LinuxGuy2009: wget |
| 00:51.41 | Saar | because raid5 has to do quite a few operations per access |
| 00:51.51 | Arrowmaster | Saar: software raid 5 i assume? |
| 00:52.32 | Saar | any raid5 |
| 00:52.37 | electroglue | Arrowmaster: no its on a raid controller |
| 00:52.47 | Saar | it's making changes to each disk in the raid |
| 00:52.55 | Arrowmaster | well my raid6 is a lot faster than a single disk |
| 00:53.19 | LinuxGuy2009 | karsten-nr: Hmm never thought to try that. Always thought you had to have a specific file URL to use that. Ill give it a try. Thanks. |
| 00:53.22 | cobe571 | no way ... btw thanks |
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| 00:55.12 | Saar | i am wrong, i think with raid5 recovery each disk has to be accessed |
| 00:55.27 | Saar | but a raid5 still has a lot more disk access than a raid10 or raid1 |
| 00:55.35 | electroglue | seems this thing only can do 5 and 0 |
| 00:55.41 | electroglue | the controller |
| 00:55.51 | Saar | and if a disk fails it slows down even more |
| 00:55.51 | linux_probe | puts 10 discs in raid1 |
| 00:55.54 | linux_probe | and now ;) |
| 00:56.23 | Saar | electroglue: try to avoid the controller or use a better one, say 3ware |
| 00:56.48 | Saar | or just use the controller for independent disks and create a raid10 using mdadm |
| 00:56.48 | Arrowmaster | 3ware got bought out, not sure how good their new ones are |
| 00:56.56 | Saar | oh they're fine |
| 00:57.29 | Saar | they got bought by amcc which got bought by lsi |
| 00:58.43 | electroglue | Saar: what do you mean by that...just make a bunch of 80GB disks and combime them with mdm as a soft raid 10 ? |
| 00:58.58 | Saar | i use 3ware a lot and had no problems, well once or twice one needed a firmware update |
| 00:59.07 | Saar | electroglue: yes |
| 00:59.39 | ranix | electroglue: I strongly suggest disregarding Saar completely, he knows nothing whatsoever about raid |
| 00:59.40 | linux_probe | 3ware = LSI now |
| 00:59.41 | Saar | though if the controller only does raid0 and raid5 i wouldn't trust it to be reliable |
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| 01:00.05 | Saar | yes lsi |
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| 01:00.23 | ranix | 17:47 < Saar> ranix: something like " mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=10 --raid-devices=3 /dev/sd[abc]1" |
| 01:00.28 | ranix | I'd like to point this out again |
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| 01:00.39 | linux_probe | lsi is used in tons of machines, both embeded/addon bridges and cards |
| 01:00.42 | Saar | ranix: did you ever try it? :) |
| 01:00.42 | jm | I'm very angry that bbkeys was removed from wheezy. |
| 01:01.02 | Saar | ranix: try it out before yoiu start being a dick |
| 01:01.03 | ranix | Saar: yeah it makes either a raid 1 or a raid 0 it's incapable of making both |
| 01:01.10 | ranix | you don't understand what you're talking about |
| 01:01.12 | ranix | at all |
| 01:01.16 | ranix | you have no understanding |
| 01:01.22 | Saar | ranix: care to enlighten me? |
| 01:01.31 | ranix | no you can google it |
| 01:01.34 | Saar | or are you just name calling? |
| 01:01.43 | ranix | go learn about raid levels |
| 01:01.54 | jm | perhaps he's never heard of hierarchical raid |
| 01:01.56 | ranix | and why you cannot have a raid 1 of raid 0 arrays |
| 01:02.02 | Saar | ranix: whatever |
| 01:02.07 | ranix | with 3 drives |
| 01:02.15 | jm | with 3 drives, he's correct -- you cannot |
| 01:02.16 | Saar | ranix: you didn't try it, you can create a raid10 with 3 drives, period |
| 01:02.30 | jm | saar, no, you can't |
| 01:02.34 | electroglue | well ranix can you give me your opinion on what I should do? |
| 01:02.47 | Saar | yes you can |
| 01:02.56 | s3phir0th115 | Is there a good way to know what's on any given Debian DVD? The FAQ mentions jigdo files, but I was thinking there was probably something with more general detail |
| 01:02.58 | jm | saar, if you did, it wouldn't truly be raid 10 at all |
| 01:03.08 | ranix | sorry electroglue, I dislike hardware RAID for recovery reasons. It's hard to reconstruct if your server gets hit by a meteor without finding specific hardware |
| 01:03.20 | ranix | electroglue: I recommend using md raid for recovery reasons |
| 01:03.40 | Saar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-standard_RAID_levels#Linux_MD_RAID_10 |
| 01:03.52 | Saar | The Linux kernel software RAID driver (called md, for "multiple device") can be used to build a classic RAID 1+0 array, but also as a single level[8] with some interesting extensions.[9] |
| 01:03.52 | Saar | The standard "near" layout, where each chunk is repeated n times in a k-way stripe array, is equivalent to the standard RAID 10 arrangement, but it does not require that n evenly divide k. For example an n2 layout on 2, 3 and 4 drives would look like: |
| 01:03.54 | daemonkeeper | I guess, whenever your server is hit by a meteor you have other problems anyway. |
| 01:04.03 | electroglue | ranix: does the idea of me using 6 seperate disks assembled in a raid10 array seem logical? |
| 01:04.11 | Saar | ranix: there you go |
| 01:04.13 | ranix | electroglue: it does seem logical |
| 01:04.14 | Saar | name caller |
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| 01:05.04 | electroglue | So how would I actually boot the system |
| 01:05.14 | adb | s3phir0th115, /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 01:05.21 | electroglue | grub has to be somewhere right |
| 01:06.11 | Saar | one ought to think a bit more creative |
| 01:06.20 | Saar | electroglue: well |
| 01:07.08 | electroglue | So I guess Id have to use two disks out of the 4 four for the OS and only 4 for the raid 10 |
| 01:07.08 | Saar | electroglue: say you create a 3 disk raid10 for your XEN box, something I did a month or 2 ago |
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| 01:07.30 | Saar | say the volumes are sda1 sdb1 sdc1 |
| 01:07.56 | Saar | then you make each one bootable and tell grub to save on the boot sector of each drive |
| 01:08.08 | Saar | and tell grub to boot from sda |
| 01:08.54 | Saar | the last part i have to double check |
| 01:09.17 | adb | Saar, grub can't boot from raid10 (yet) |
| 01:09.26 | jm | so now that debian has gone and removed a program that functioned perfectly fine for me (bbkeys), what alternatives are there for keybindings if you don't use a DE like gnome or kde? |
| 01:09.45 | Saar | no it boots from the physical drive |
| 01:10.04 | adb | i see |
| 01:10.14 | Saar | if one drive breaks you only have to tell grub to boot fro m another, sicne you saved the boots ector on each of the drives |
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| 01:10.32 | electroglue | Ok well that doesn't sound too awful |
| 01:10.53 | Arrowmaster | or you can just create a small raid1 at the beginning of the drives for /boot |
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| 01:11.22 | Saar | yeah there are lots of ways to do things with mdadm |
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| 01:11.32 | Saar | a raid1 and then a raid10 for the VMs makes sense yes |
| 01:11.49 | Saar | a raid1 for XEN to boot |
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| 01:13.43 | ranix | I'll be damned, md does actually have a raid 10 for 3 drives |
| 01:13.47 | ranix | that is amazingly confusing |
| 01:14.28 | adb | ranix, for two too... |
| 01:14.34 | Arrowmaster | no the raid10 for 2 drives is |
| 01:14.42 | ranix | I dare say that it is wrong and counterintuitive, I suggest that you are wrong for recommending it to anybody, but apologize for calling you stupid |
| 01:14.51 | ranix | :( |
| 01:15.07 | Saar | electroglue: actually I did it like this, in case of a raid10, make each disk bootable, save grub on the mbr, and if a disk fails you only have to tell the bios to change the boot disk |
| 01:15.22 | Saar | actually works on a raid1 too of course |
| 01:15.22 | Arrowmaster | for 2 drives i can see how raid10 f2 is different than a raid1 but how is raid10 n2 different from a raid1 |
| 01:16.26 | Saar | ranix: it's ok ;-) |
| 01:16.52 | Saar | i dont really recommened it, i justs aid it's possible |
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| 01:17.53 | ranix | 17:44 < Saar> electroglue: you should use a raid10 |
| 01:17.58 | Saar | i had situations where i only had 3 disks or bays available |
| 01:18.08 | kenifanying | I set alias ls="ls --color=auto" when i login as root, but it seems that alias can't be saved when i relogin as root. what should i do? |
| 01:18.11 | Saar | ranix: yes whatever the amount of disks |
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| 01:20.00 | jmarsden | kenifanying: add the alias to /root/.bashrc |
| 01:21.11 | kenifanying | jmarsden, thanks |
| 01:21.22 | jmarsden | kenifanying: You're welcome. |
| 01:21.32 | Saar | electroglue: since grub is configured to use /dev/md0 or something similar, or its uuid, to boot from it should be fine to use any disk in the raid to boot from |
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| 01:22.12 | Saar | hence the only thing you need to do if a disk breaks is change the bios to boot from another |
| 01:22.35 | Saar | not as redundant as a hardware raid but it works (admited i didn't test it by remove a disk, yet) |
| 01:22.43 | electroglue | Saar: great...I'll give it a go here soon I guess |
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| 01:23.15 | Saar | electroglue: good luck |
| 01:23.40 | kenifanying | jmarsden,why normal user can save alias? |
| 01:23.40 | Saar | its a bit of a pita to actually get the right raid configuration in debian installer |
| 01:23.51 | adb | Saar, not sure BIOS may know about /dev/md0 ... |
| 01:24.25 | Saar | adb: it doesnt have to, it just needs to know to boot from any of its disks that are part of the md0 raid |
| 01:24.31 | neurolysis | anyone else had experience with axel freezing (doesn't even respond to SIGINT) mid-download? |
| 01:24.39 | jmarsden | kenifanying: As far as I know, the alias command is always per shell session. Any that you want to keep need to be added to your ~/.bashrc file. |
| 01:25.11 | Saar | adb: once it's booting the kernel will know about the raid at /dev/md0 |
| 01:25.34 | Saar | and it won't care it booted from sda or sdb or whatever |
| 01:25.51 | electroglue | neurolysis: I have |
| 01:26.00 | electroglue | I sorta gave up on it because of it |
| 01:26.07 | neurolysis | electroglue: any luck with it? i remember having this before on an old machine |
| 01:26.25 | neurolysis | what did you switch to if i may ask? |
| 01:26.27 | electroglue | neurolysis: nope I just went back to ole wget |
| 01:26.31 | neurolysis | ah |
| 01:26.36 | neurolysis | :( |
| 01:26.38 | neurolysis | ok, thanks |
| 01:26.42 | kenifanying | jmarden,Thanks again, i need learn more basic skills. |
| 01:26.56 | electroglue | Saar: great info...thank you for sharing |
| 01:27.08 | electroglue | you turned me away from my slow raid5 |
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| 01:28.48 | Saar | electroglue: glad to be of assistance |
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| 01:30.59 | adb | still skeptic about grub booting from separate disks off a md ... |
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| 01:33.16 | Saar | adb: i understand, but since grub and the kernel use /dev/md0 you only have to tell grub where to install the mbr, which is on each physical disk |
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| 01:33.48 | Saar | i should test this some time |
| 01:34.14 | Saar | my setup now boots from /dev/sda and after that it becomes part of a raid10 |
| 01:34.26 | Saar | i should remove /dev/sda and change the bios to boot from the next disk |
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| 01:55.38 | redDEADresolve | is there something wrong with the debain testing amd64 repositories? |
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| 01:58.09 | Big_Brother | how do i check which version of debian i have installed? |
| 01:58.44 | vpit3833 | Big_Brother: lsb_release -a |
| 01:58.53 | amphi | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:59.34 | Big_Brother | awesome, thanks. |
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| 02:00.27 | redDEADresolve | is there something wrong with the debian amd64 repositories? my i386 machine is fine but im trying to install debian on my desktop and I keep getting 404 errors |
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| 02:02.07 | amphi | try a different mirror; for example, http://ftp.de.debian.org/ is working fine here |
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| 02:05.14 | redDEADresolve | amphi, thats the mirror im using |
| 02:05.18 | redDEADresolve | amphi, must be something on my end |
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| 02:22.29 | sinedeviance | hi all! |
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| 02:22.45 | sinedeviance | i have been running my own custom-built debian 5 minimal server for a couple years now |
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| 02:23.19 | sinedeviance | now that debian 6 stable is out, i was wondering if it's good for servers? i mean, i'm sure it is, but i'd like to rebuild my image with all the new modules and the new kernel and such. but i also dont want a ton of bloatware coming down. |
| 02:24.05 | dvs | sinedeviance: why would you get bloatware? The upgrade will only get the packages you've installed. |
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| 02:24.32 | sinedeviance | i guess my question is, if i built from debian base and used the same packages as before (just newer packages) would the performance/footprint be similar? |
| 02:24.42 | sinedeviance | dvs: no, i mean bloatware in the base system. |
| 02:24.59 | sinedeviance | i.e. noticed that the linux kernel has become pretty bloated recently? |
| 02:25.03 | sinedeviance | anyways |
| 02:26.09 | crapeau | sinedeviance: how crucial is your server? |
| 02:27.45 | sinedeviance | crapeau: not TOO crucial. i use it as a webserver (will be offline for a while so i'll have plenty of time for testing) and as a fileserver and backup server |
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| 02:29.04 | sinedeviance | the fileserver mainly serves docs and music to various devices in the house. and the backup is only for my really important documents; i have a cronjob that copies these documents from all my machines and tarballs them automatically once a night |
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| 02:29.43 | crapeau | sinedeviance: I tryed myself but in a virtual machine, the base footprint seem slightly bigger though |
| 02:30.14 | sinedeviance | oh and part of that is a once-a-week backup of my android tablet's ROM. i'm running cyanogen and it's not entirely stable, but the device is used in a production environment so i cant afford to lose everything |
| 02:30.40 | sinedeviance | i like to keep at least a few snapshots on the disk |
| 02:30.52 | crapeau | sinedeviance: if it work, don't fix... ;-) |
| 02:30.57 | sinedeviance | true, true |
| 02:31.08 | sinedeviance | but... i figured this would also be a good opportunity to clean up the base system anyways |
| 02:31.21 | sinedeviance | i have used this server for a lot of stuff over the years |
| 02:31.26 | sinedeviance | stuff i no longer use it for |
| 02:31.40 | sinedeviance | i was going to create a new fresh image anyways |
| 02:31.58 | crapeau | sinedeviance: Custom building is a good way for your needs |
| 02:32.30 | sinedeviance | well... it's not exactly a custom build... i just start with debian base and add only what is required for the things i need to run |
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| 02:33.13 | sinedeviance | it's a pretty good system. with apache2, mysql-server, and samba running it uses about 40mb RAM at idle. |
| 02:33.26 | crapeau | sinedeviance: Sometime i add up newer code to debian 4.0 or 5.0, to get a very lean server.... |
| 02:33.46 | sinedeviance | backports? |
| 02:33.54 | sinedeviance | or build from source? |
| 02:34.11 | crapeau | sinedeviance: i mean compiling new stuff... |
| 02:34.11 | sinedeviance | ah |
| 02:35.22 | crapeau | sinedeviance: are you used to compile? |
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| 02:36.08 | sinedeviance | crapeau: i know how to compile things, but i try to avoid it. i find that the packages in the apt repos are fine for what i want to do most of the time |
| 02:36.18 | sinedeviance | i WILL generally compile my own kernel though |
| 02:36.43 | sinedeviance | the older kernels used in debian 5 lacked some of the hardware modules i needed so i used my own |
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| 02:37.02 | crapeau | sinedeviance: You know what is good for you. |
| 02:37.39 | Scramblejams | Saar: thanks for all the help earlier! i'll have to come back to it... |
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| 02:44.40 | sinedeviance | one more thing... if i want to install the base system from a USB stick, i have to download both the USB image as well as the tiny image. is this right? |
| 02:45.42 | yagoo | !usb |
| 02:45.43 | dpkg | Universal Serial Bus (USB) is a technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial/communications and more flexible: many devices can be connected to simultaneously. USB 3.0 is supported by the Linux kernel since 2.6.31. http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/book1.html http://www.linux-usb.org/ See also <usb install>, <usbreset>. |
| 02:45.49 | yagoo | !usb install |
| 02:45.51 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 02:46.53 | sinedeviance | yagoo: ah. thanks. |
| 02:50.50 | redDEADresolve | im getting unable to find expected entry (wrong sources.list entry or malformed file) errors any help? |
| 02:51.30 | yagoo | redDEADresolve, aptitude update or apt-get update |
| 02:52.08 | redDEADresolve | yagoo, i apt-get update and get these errors |
| 02:52.26 | redDEADresolve | yagoo, im trying to install my system |
| 02:53.34 | yagoo | redDEADresolve, look at examples /usr/share/doc/apt |
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| 02:57.53 | redDEADresolve | yagoo, i dont have that document on the desktop yet. looked at it on my laptop. doesnt seem to offer any help. I can get apt-get to update |
| 02:59.08 | zelda | Hello, I have missing dependency for a source I am building. But 'aptitude install glib-gettextize intltoolize' could not find them. How do I know the exact package name? |
| 02:59.29 | zelda | I am using autotools. |
| 03:00.02 | redDEADresolve | zelda, i usually use debian package search to find names of packages. |
| 03:00.27 | redDEADresolve | zelda, http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=red |
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| 03:05.00 | yagoo | !refcard |
| 03:05.00 | dpkg | A short reference of Debian commands - quite useful for someone new to Debian - can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard.en.pdf and packaged for Debian as debian-refcard. See also <grounding>, <vim refcard>. |
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| 03:06.55 | mordocai | So i'm guessing the answer is going to be "when it's ready/no good way to know" but does anyone know when the firefox 4.0+ equivalent of iceweasel will likely make it to testing? |
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| 03:09.52 | yagoo | mordocai, check reportbug |
| 03:10.46 | zelda | redDEADresolve: Thanks, I searched through that link and even did depk-query to check if it was already installed, thus to check if it was only path varitation problem. But could not find any package of the name glib-gettextize and intltoolize. |
| 03:11.19 | yagoo | zelda, apt-cache search glib |
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| 03:14.15 | zelda | yagoo: Yes did that, but could not find there too, since I have never even installed the package glib-gettextize |
| 03:15.43 | yagoo | zelda, you sure its not a function? |
| 03:16.22 | yagoo | zelda, http://packages.debian.org/sid/armel/libglib2.0-dev/filelist |
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| 03:16.51 | yagoo | zelda, you want libglib or glib-devel or whatever glibdevelop |
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| 03:19.56 | zelda | Thanks, that did install, how do you find that? |
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| 03:21.23 | yagoo | zelda, "lib" in its package name.. |
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| 03:29.32 | zelda | yagoo: I need another dependency intltoolize . I tried libintl, but it does not bring up intltoolize in any of the 4 intl packages it lists. |
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| 03:35.58 | icedtea | anyone here ever work on a custom initrd? |
| 03:37.34 | sinedeviance | icedtea: i have, yhes |
| 03:37.37 | sinedeviance | yes* even |
| 03:37.43 | sinedeviance | need an example? |
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| 03:38.36 | icedtea | sinedeviance: for some reason its not booting my initrd. It just says can't mount root. I took another initrd and just updated the kernel modules on it |
| 03:39.46 | sinedeviance | icedtea: ahh wait a sec, i thought you said init.d script |
| 03:39.48 | icedtea | sinedeviance: it decompresses the initrd, but thats it. Its very frustrating |
| 03:39.52 | sinedeviance | sorry. no, i have not written an initrd |
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| 03:43.50 | sinedeviance | !usb install |
| 03:43.50 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 04:32.09 | OUTOFLUKS | hello debian |
| 04:32.10 | OUTOFLUKS | ! |
| 04:32.44 | OUTOFLUKS | :/ |
| 04:33.19 | mordocai | OUTOFLUKS: Debian is registered, otherwise I was going to have fun lol |
| 04:33.21 | OUTOFLUKS | is there anyone kicking around that knows about cryptsetup and luks encryption? I can't boot into my box and I'm trying to access my root partition but it's encrypted. |
| 04:34.07 | karlpinc | !tell OUTOFLUKS about dosen't work |
| 04:34.16 | OUTOFLUKS | I found a how-to here using these instructions (http://pastebin.com/HVtGjTTq) from ubuntuforum, but I'm not getting a passphrase prompt as described in step two. I think the issue could be OS agnostic though, which is why I'm venturing further upstream |
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| 04:34.51 | karlpinc | OUTOFLUKS: Unless you're running Debian we can't help because we don't know the system. |
| 04:35.04 | OUTOFLUKS | debian based? I'm still using apt-get etc etc |
| 04:35.09 | OUTOFLUKS | karlpinc: |
| 04:35.20 | karlpinc | !tell OUTOFLUKS about based on debian |
| 04:35.41 | OUTOFLUKS | I erally am out of luks |
| 04:35.42 | OUTOFLUKS | :/ |
| 04:36.11 | OUTOFLUKS | could anyone suggest a room that might be able to provide os agnostic help for dealing with encryption? |
| 04:36.11 | karlpinc | OUTOFLUKS: If irc does not help try your distro's other support channels. |
| 04:36.34 | OUTOFLUKS | I've been through the forums, I don't generally bother IRCers unless it's a last resort |
| 04:36.39 | karlpinc | OUTOFLUKS: Possibly #linux, I don't know. There might be something more specific but I don't know. |
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| 04:43.03 | Lewoco | In aptitude, is there a way to 'hold' packages permanently (even if I select 'Cancel pending actions')? |
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| 04:44.19 | craigevil | !hold |
| 04:44.19 | dpkg | i heard hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Note that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager and Synaptic), but aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. |
| 04:45.52 | Lewoco | craigevil, Uhm is this somehow different from selecting 'Hold' from the package menu? |
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| 04:47.03 | craigevil | same thing or at least it should be |
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| 04:47.17 | Lewoco | Well then it doesn't do what I want... |
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| 04:48.25 | kingsley | Which package has the best optical character recognition? |
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| 04:50.56 | Strife89 | Arrrgh ... |
| 04:51.15 | Strife89 | wonders if someone can recommend a GUI-based file manager to him. |
| 04:51.43 | Canar | nautilus? |
| 04:51.56 | Strife89 | Aside from it, it's busy at the moment. |
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| 04:52.11 | Strife89 | Maybe if I explain why that is ... |
| 04:52.21 | Canar | i'd use bash |
| 04:52.28 | Canar | but i <3 cli |
| 04:52.35 | tyrrexrrg | hi |
| 04:53.10 | Strife89 | is in the middle of restoring his DAP's music and has most of it copied .... but he has more music than his DAP has disk space, and has been slowly deleting albums he barely listens to throughout the copy process. |
| 04:54.33 | Strife89 | However, the copy has caught up with me and filled the disk. When Nautilus reports that the disk is full, it will stop and ask whether I want to skip the current file or the rest of the files. Should I do the latter, I will have to restart the entire copy process --- and manually pick out ALL of the albums I deleted again. |
| 04:55.16 | Strife89 | Why is this still a problem? Because, as long as Nautilus is showing this error message, it refuses to let me interact with the main windows at all. |
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| 04:57.53 | Strife89 | So, my solution is to simply use another file manager and delete a few more files to make enough space to finish the transfer, then tell Nautilus to resume |
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| 04:59.18 | hotwings | anyone know the right command to display a jpg using mplayer2 (mplayer-mt)? all i get is black |
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| 05:00.00 | anon^_^ | you mean you're trying to do a screencapture? |
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| 05:01.02 | hotwings | nope, just display a jpg |
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| 05:01.33 | hotwings | with mplayer-nogui i would do "mplayer -fixed-vo -loop 0 mf://file.jpg -fs" |
| 05:01.45 | hotwings | but that doesnt seem to work with mplayer-mt (mplayer2) |
| 05:01.54 | anon^_^ | no clue on that one |
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| 05:04.50 | bubo_ | the right syntax i guess would be: "mplayer -fixed-vo -loop 0 mf:///file.jpg -fs" |
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| 05:06.00 | hotwings | bubo_ - i actually meant to type $file.. which is /lan/pics/test.jgp so thats fine |
| 05:06.28 | bubo_ | well, you nedd three slashes for absolute paths and two for a relative |
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| 05:07.55 | bubo_ | mf:///file.jpg for ./file.jpg and mf:///full/path/to/file.jpg |
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| 05:09.42 | bubo_ | if you use variables you got to consider how your shell will expand them |
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| 05:10.29 | hotwings | as i said though, my command line works fine with mplayer-nogui.. the problem is only with mplayer-mt |
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| 05:11.55 | bubo_ | sorry, i've never used mplayer-mt |
| 05:12.43 | bubo_ | i'd try an strace to see what's going on ;) |
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| 05:18.48 | becker_11 | hi I've installed pino 0.2.11 from the repos & it wont connect to twitter, I've got it connected to identica but twiiter isn't working |
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| 05:21.37 | Arrowmaster | becker_11: didnt twitter make some change that stopped most applications from working |
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| 05:22.34 | becker_11 | Arrowmaster: probably |
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| 05:23.11 | craigevil | twidge still works :) |
| 05:23.20 | becker_11 | pino isn't great anyway as it only shows 1 account at a time |
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| 05:54.26 | Lewoco | How do I permanently indicate that I never ever under any circumstances want a package uninstalled? I've tried holding but this is not permanent. I've tried pins but this only creates a 'break' which aptitude will still try to resolve removing the package. |
| 05:54.44 | Canar | apt-pinning? |
| 05:55.45 | Lewoco | Canar, That's the same as aptitude pins in /etc/apt/preferences.d? |
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| 05:56.47 | Lewoco | Canar, Like I said, aptitude will still happily resolve the break caused by the pin by removing the package. |
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| 06:05.56 | AnggaDj98 | Hi all I'm currently using Ubuntu 10.10 and would like to dual boot it with Debian 6.0.0. Could you guys tell me which CD ISOs that I necessarily need to download instead of downloading all 52 of them, to obtain a very basic system because my broadband is very slow, Thanks. |
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| 06:10.30 | solvedsnake | Debian hates my computer... |
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| 06:10.49 | solvedsnake | I just did a fresh install with the network install image |
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| 06:11.02 | solvedsnake | And the computer dies when starting gnome |
| 06:11.14 | solvedsnake | It just died |
| 06:11.18 | solvedsnake | no error message |
| 06:11.19 | solvedsnake | nothing |
| 06:11.28 | solvedsnake | it did something like rebooting |
| 06:11.55 | solvedsnake | But it didn't really reboot |
| 06:11.59 | solvedsnake | It was still in gnome |
| 06:12.01 | solvedsnake | reallyt weird |
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| 06:12.53 | solvedsnake | Maybe I shouldn't have installed it with GNOME |
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| 06:15.32 | solvedsnake | Ah yes I have this bug |
| 06:15.33 | solvedsnake | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=604953 |
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| 06:43.55 | SPF | I'm trying to set a remote font server with xset fp+ tcp/10.42.43.20:7100, but sometimes it works, sometimes it gives the error: xset: bad font path element (#23) |
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| 06:45.13 | dadrian | hello, anyway to see the packages that had a change in state (install/remove/purge etc.) this year or in the last month ? |
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| 06:50.44 | khaleel5000 | hi on squeeze, i am getting very poor USB copy/paste speed (DV5 laptop, ) on windows I get copying from harddisk to usb at about 12mbps, and here ia m getting 400~kbps! |
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| 06:56.11 | dadrian | khaleel5000: lsusb -v lists bcdUSB for that hdd as 2.0 ? |
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| 06:58.16 | Lewoco | Someone please tell me there is a way to prevent aptitude upgrades from upgrading openoffice to libreoffice |
| 06:59.09 | Lewoco | As best as I can tell 'hold' is basically useless because it gets cleared everytime I do 'forget pending actions'. |
| 06:59.26 | Lewoco | And for the life of me I can't figure out how to make pin prevent upgrade/removal. |
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| 07:20.36 | _Qman | Hello |
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| 07:21.10 | _Qman | I was wondering if anyone could tell me is this would hurt IO |
| 07:21.12 | _Qman | [root@compute-01-00 ~]# less /etc/fstab |
| 07:21.13 | _Qman | LABEL=/ / ext3 defaults 1 1 |
| 07:21.13 | _Qman | LABEL=/data /data ext3 defaults 1 2 |
| 07:21.13 | _Qman | LABEL=/var /var ext3 defaults 1 2 |
| 07:21.13 | _Qman | LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 |
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| 07:21.47 | _Qman | datadynamic:/ifs/home /home nfs defaults 0 0 |
| 07:21.47 | _Qman | datadynamic:/ifs/illumina /illumina nfs defaults 0 0 |
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| 07:24.52 | simonlnu | !tell _Qman -about paste |
| 07:25.20 | _Qman | simonlnu: thanks lol forgot about this |
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| 07:32.55 | AngryBlackGuy | hi |
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| 07:34.11 | DrMrHorse | hi |
| 07:34.41 | AngryBlackGuy | hey how can i easily install jre onto debian? |
| 07:34.51 | AngryBlackGuy | is there a repo i have to ad? |
| 07:34.53 | AngryBlackGuy | add? |
| 07:35.41 | cantido | AngryBlackGuy: openjdk and "sun" jres are in debian |
| 07:35.57 | AngryBlackGuy | oh |
| 07:36.01 | DrMrHorse | do you need non-free repos? |
| 07:36.08 | AngryBlackGuy | so just apt-get install java? |
| 07:36.28 | treebeen | openjdk usually works better in my experience |
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| 07:37.16 | AngryBlackGuy | is that sun's java |
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| 07:38.02 | treebeen | AngryBlackGuy: well, it's the open source one, yes. and it works better than the closed sourced one from what I have experienced on debian |
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| 07:41.16 | AngryBlackGuy | i think for this software i need sun-java |
| 07:41.21 | AngryBlackGuy | how can i get that? |
| 07:42.27 | treebeen | AngryBlackGuy: no, you'd better use openjdk. for example: for my tax stuff they demanded sun-java, i installed it, it didn't work, openjdk worked without a flaw with that |
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| 07:42.41 | treebeen | AngryBlackGuy: it's in the non-free repo |
| 07:42.44 | treebeen | !non-free |
| 07:42.44 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 07:45.47 | _Qman | Could anyone take a look at this and tell me if this would hurt the IO http://paste.debian.net/112383/ |
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| 07:47.47 | lapsusbrutus | is there a easy way to get firefox4 on debian 6? |
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| 07:48.16 | ronny | hi |
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| 07:48.36 | jm | lapsusbrutus, I just download it to ~/firefox and run it from there |
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| 07:49.14 | rug | Howdy all |
| 07:49.23 | lapsusbrutus | no way of doing it from apt then? Id love to get upgrades and stuff |
| 07:49.40 | treebeen | ,versions iceweasel |
| 07:49.41 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-5; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-6~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-6; wheezy: 3.5.17-1; sid: 3.5.18-1; experimental: 4.0-3 |
| 07:49.50 | ronny | anyone aware of a way to install python-gtk2-dev while keeping icewasel 4 from experimental (im on wheezy) - i keep getting version-conflicts with some base libs of the gtk stack |
| 07:49.58 | treebeen | lapsusbrutus: it's in experimental... 4.0 |
| 07:50.00 | Rug | What app do most of you use to rip/encode dvd's? Handbrake? |
| 07:50.02 | lapsusbrutus | Anyone knows why debian uses "iceweasel"? whats the difference other than the name? |
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| 07:50.32 | treebeen | lapsusbrutus: no difference, branding stripped |
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| 07:51.05 | lapsusbrutus | is the firefox brand a problem then? |
| 07:51.54 | treebeen | !why iceweasel |
| 07:51.54 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
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| 07:52.42 | lapsusbrutus | ok I see. |
| 07:52.53 | treebeen | hmm, mozilla revoked the agreement? didn't know about that |
| 07:53.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | treebeen: when ownership of the mark changed from mofo to moco |
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| 07:53.50 | lapsusbrutus | !dfsg |
| 07:53.50 | dpkg | DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
| 07:54.03 | treebeen | Kamping_Kaiser: why they didn't revoke it for fedora etc.? |
| 07:54.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | treebeen: ttbomk they never had an agreement to distribute firefox without its logos to start with |
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| 07:54.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | (where 'they' is fedora) |
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| 07:55.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | oookay... deleting an email just crashed claws-mail :s |
| 07:56.36 | lapsusbrutus | but firefox logo isnt a bad thing though. Its a exceptional piece of free software and should be promoted in any way possible, wouldnt mind using firefox logo in debian |
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| 07:57.22 | petern_ | iirc there's a distribution issue with the logo |
| 07:58.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | the chain is roughly: logo cant be modified -> logo has to be removed -> cant call it firefox without logo -> needs new name |
| 07:58.07 | petern_ | yeah |
| 07:58.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | should add *afaik to the front of that |
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| 07:58.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | lapsusbrutus: there is lots of software that can make that claim... and lots of of software without broken trademark rules happily shipping its logo in debian |
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| 08:01.00 | lapsusbrutus | Kamping_Kaiser: Ok things are clearer now:) but I still dont see why debian want to modify the firefox logo in the first place |
| 08:01.17 | treebeen | haha, mozilla idiots |
| 08:01.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | lapsusbrutus: they dont. but they require everything they distribute an be modfied - see the dfsg factoid from before |
| 08:01.51 | treebeen | now I wish they go down with their bloat browser |
| 08:02.38 | frikinz_ | who gives a f**k about the logo. I prefer have it being reviewed by debian team. |
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| 08:02.58 | treebeen | what do they care if their silly logo is present? that's just nonsense |
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| 08:03.15 | lapsusbrutus | treebeen: what do you use? I certainly would choose FF over Googles chrome any day.. but chromium.. hmm |
| 08:03.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | its branding. its what drives companies |
| 08:03.31 | treebeen | lapsusbrutus: chromium |
| 08:03.34 | SlayerXP | those who do not defend their trademarks will lose them |
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| 08:03.57 | treebeen | SlayerXP: ah really, so to let all the debian users hate them for doing that is good for them? |
| 08:04.01 | lapsusbrutus | treebeen: chromium I can like too ;) |
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| 08:04.11 | themill | suspects we're drifting a long way from user support now |
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| 08:05.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | SlayerXP: there is different ways of defending a trademark though |
| 08:05.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | mozillas isthe 'we got popular, now we;ll push you around' way |
| 08:05.59 | AngryBlackGuy | i think i need the official sun java |
| 08:06.06 | AngryBlackGuy | in order to run this program |
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| 08:18.37 | AngryBlackGuy | i just installed sun java, however, when i type java, it set up to use openjdk |
| 08:18.46 | AngryBlackGuy | how can i make sun java the default java |
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| 08:19.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | AngryBlackGuy: look at update-alternatives |
| 08:19.12 | petern_ | AngryBlackGuy, update-alternatives |
| 08:19.31 | AngryBlackGuy | thanks |
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| 08:22.08 | jzbl | I've got this error while trying to mount ext. usb attached HDD from user account: http://i.imgur.com/PRPPD.png |
| 08:22.50 | jzbl | It is mountable from root and after root does it I can also use it as a user, how to provide mount ability to user account as well.... |
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| 08:26.41 | sts | hello folks. I'm looking for support for the red5-server package. anybody using it? seems like it cannot start after the installation, because it misses some java classes (java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: javax/servlet/http/HttpServlet). anybody knows if I have to do anything special after installation of red5 or java? |
| 08:27.36 | AngryBlackGuy | hey id i am running debian in a vm, and i want to to run a program that listens on a certain port, do i have to unblock that port on the host operating system as well? |
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| 08:29.00 | themill | sts: you possibly need to point it at the right java version -- /msg dpkg update-java-alternatives |
| 08:31.05 | jzbl | AngryBlackGuy: I depends how is your network set-up in VM env., what Virtualization App do you use? |
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| 08:31.22 | jzbl | I've got this error while trying to mount ext. usb attached HDD from user account: http://i.imgur.com/PRPPD.png |
| 08:31.25 | jzbl | It is mountable from root and after root does it I can also use it as a user, how to provide mount ability to user account as well.... |
| 08:31.28 | jzbl | anyone? |
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| 08:31.44 | AngryBlackGuy | jzbl, i use virtualbox |
| 08:31.54 | basil_kurian_ | I have one strange issue when nginx is configured as a reverse proxy for apache. Nginx ofter return "bad gateway" error. |
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| 08:32.25 | treebeen | jzbl: how do you mount it? |
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| 08:33.41 | jzbl | treebeen: I use gnome desktop, so clickety click fron "places". I do not do this in terminal |
| 08:33.54 | sts | themill: java ist set to sun java (java -version returns: java version "1.6.0_24"), so i think i've got the alternatives right... |
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| 08:35.30 | jzbl | AngryBlackGuy: Is your VM network interface set to NAT? Then you have to use port forwarding to access VM ports. If you are in small LAN (with your own router) just use a bridged network setup with your VM. It will assign a new IP address and you can access the VM just like another computer. |
| 08:35.32 | sts | themill: but it seems like JAVA_HOME and CLASSPATH are not set anywhere. |
| 08:35.40 | verte | hi; I'm in the middle of an upgrade from lenny to squeeze. I updated the kernel and udev and restarted, and now can't connect to the network - there are no eth* devices in /dev, for one. what can I do? |
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| 08:36.28 | AngryBlackGuy | jzbl, i can connect to the internet fine, its just that one app in particular needs to listen on port 1500 |
| 08:36.36 | AngryBlackGuy | so do i need to open that port on the host OS? |
| 08:36.36 | verte | (lenovo thinkpad sl400, using the ethernet port) |
| 08:36.40 | treebeen | jzbl: do other usbs work? |
| 08:36.40 | sts | verte: which nic is in your server? maybe you need to install one of the firmware packages? |
| 08:37.02 | verte | I'll check |
| 08:37.03 | sts | verte: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware- |
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| 08:37.41 | themill | sts: JAVA_HOME and CLASSPATH shouldn't need setting. Do you have any libservlet packages installed? (pastebin the output of "aptitude search libservlet") |
| 08:37.44 | sts | verte: eg. for HP servers you will usually need the firmware-bnx2. |
| 08:38.03 | themill | verte: network devices don't appear in /dev anyway |
| 08:38.38 | sts | themill: http://pastie.org/private/v1mtkp6yovrmjyn58ezjhw |
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| 08:39.11 | Coudy | hi, I have problem with procmail with dovecot and maildir, if I disable procmail, emails are delivered to inbox, If I enable procmail, email are gone, here is my .procmail file and bash script to send email http://paste.jabbim.cz/5174 |
| 08:39.12 | jzbl | treebeen: Yes it does, just doubletested with 8gb usb stick |
| 08:39.18 | verte | my card is listed there. I'll see what version of that I have. |
| 08:39.34 | themill | sts: that should be enough. I'm out of ideas. |
| 08:39.52 | sts | themill: ok, then i'll just submit a bug report. |
| 08:39.55 | jzbl | AngryBlackGuy: can you do a screenshot of your network settings in VBox for that VM? |
| 08:40.14 | sts | themill: since the package doesn't work at all after installation. |
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| 08:40.36 | themill | sts: is there a /usr/share/doc/red5-server/README.Debian or similar? |
| 08:40.43 | AngryBlackGuy | jzbl, its attached to NAT |
| 08:41.00 | AngryBlackGuy | cable connected is checked |
| 08:41.09 | AngryBlackGuy | and there is a button that says port forwarding |
| 08:41.09 | sts | themill: yes, but it doesn't contain any usefull instructions. |
| 08:41.25 | themill | :( |
| 08:41.38 | jzbl | AngryBlackGuy: http://tinyurl.com/6ks84n3 |
| 08:42.12 | jzbl | AngryBlackGuy: or use Vbox bridged network (if possible) |
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| 08:45.31 | treebeen | jzbl: is the user member of the fuse group? |
| 08:46.08 | jzbl | treebeen: yes it is |
| 08:47.02 | jzbl | treebeen: and before you ask if I followed the suid recommendations, yes I did too. |
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| 08:47.23 | treebeen | jzbl: hah, you've done your work |
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| 08:48.32 | jzbl | treebeen: guess why I am here? ;) |
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| 08:50.03 | treebeen | jzbl: is it working in the terminal? with the user? |
| 08:50.21 | treebeen | -t ntfs-3g |
| 08:50.22 | verte | ok. if network interfaces no longer appear in /dev, is http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration still relevant ? |
| 08:51.15 | treebeen | verte: what does "ip a" say? |
| 08:52.00 | verte | besides lo and vbox0, it mentions eth4. neat. |
| 08:52.58 | jzbl | treebeen: http://pastebin.com/UtZpQPc5 |
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| 08:53.24 | jzbl | treebeen: it works manually, I believe that gnome mounts it using gvfs or sth like that |
| 08:53.52 | jzbl | treebeen: especially that I do not have to "sudo" to use an externall pendrive from gnome desktop |
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| 08:54.32 | treebeen | jzbl: i think gnome uses policykit or something |
| 08:55.11 | verte | internet is up, thanks |
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| 08:56.09 | jzbl | treebeen: searching but cannot find it anywhere |
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| 08:59.33 | treebeen | jzbl: pkaction lists the policies |
| 09:00.15 | jzbl | treebeen: yes it does, but what should I change? :) |
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| 09:01.44 | treebeen | jzbl: no idea, not even sure it has something to do with it... you need to wait for non-noob :) |
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| 09:03.46 | jzbl | treebeen: ok |
| 09:03.50 | jzbl | waits |
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| 09:18.30 | jae | Anyone remember my BIND/IPv6 Problem? Stupid me had "-4" in /etc/default/bind9 (yep, I checked everywhere, just not there... reading bind source set me on the right path) |
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| 09:19.10 | jae | \o/ Server is fully IPv6 now! \o/ |
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| 09:29.00 | Miesco | How do I get open office? |
| 09:29.46 | kyrix | do you want openoffice as opposed to libreoffice? |
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| 09:31.24 | AngryBlackGuy | hey is anyone here familier with derby databases |
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| 09:32.19 | Canar | AngryBlackGuy: vaguely, what do you want to know |
| 09:32.24 | jzbl | AngryBlackGuy: still trying? |
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| 09:32.55 | AngryBlackGuy | Canar, im trying to change the default user name and password which is app/sa |
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| 09:33.28 | AngryBlackGuy | nah i figured it out jzbl, thanks |
| 09:33.59 | AngryBlackGuy | how can i do that Canar ? |
| 09:34.21 | Canar | that i can't help with, off-hand, unfortunately |
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| 09:35.16 | jzbl | AngryBlackGuy: you mean the Apache Debry? |
| 09:36.07 | AngryBlackGuy | yeah jzbl |
| 09:36.38 | jzbl | AngryBlackGuy: why don't you check the docs? http://db.apache.org/derby/docs/10.7/devguide/cdevcsecure42374.html |
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| 09:42.47 | homie | how can i disable the screen lock of gnome ? |
| 09:43.01 | homie | or maybe set the time higher ? |
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| 09:45.25 | SuRfDeMoN | homie: System -> Preferences -> Screensaver |
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| 09:47.01 | homie | SuRfDeMoN: i set the inactivity count to 15 minutes now, i hope that changes something |
| 09:47.35 | homie | SuRfDeMoN: i'm not sure if screen lock is tied to that |
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| 09:49.47 | SuRfDeMoN | homie: to be honest I've never tried chaning it however as far as I know normally screen lock is a lock when the screen saver comes on, in the configuration for the screensaver it says "Lock screen when screensaver is active" |
| 09:50.51 | Iridos | homie, yes... screensaver - also mine doesn't lock and I cannot remember changing the setting |
| 09:51.33 | deconvolution | hi, I am a bit confused, if a network daemon is set to be listening on an IP:port, does this mean it only receive message only from that IP ? |
| 09:52.01 | Iridos | deconvolution, that's supposed to be your IP |
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| 09:52.14 | Iridos | deconvolution, you can have multiple IPs on one machine... |
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| 09:53.00 | deconvolution | oh, i see |
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| 09:54.02 | ronny | again: anyone aware of a way to install python-gtk2-dev while keeping icewasel 4 from experimental (im on wheezy) - i keep getting version-conflicts with some base libs of the gtk stack |
| 09:54.37 | Miesco | kyrix: Why would I not want open office? |
| 09:54.44 | deconvolution | Iridos, a typical workstation usually have a localhost pointing to 127.0.0.1 and an external IP from eth, if set server to localhost:port, will it only allow local process sending message ? |
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| 09:55.26 | Miesco | ronny: iceweasel 4 is in stable |
| 09:55.39 | deconvolution | really ? |
| 09:55.48 | Miesco | me? |
| 09:56.18 | deconvolution | iceweasel 4 arrived to sid ? |
| 09:56.25 | deconvolution | it doesnt |
| 09:57.06 | ronny | Miesco: when? |
| 09:57.14 | Miesco | deconvolution: Its in squeeze |
| 09:57.21 | Miesco | Just recently |
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| 09:57.41 | ollim | i have a weird problem (IMO): when i try to run something cpu intensive, like say xz or gzip a file of a few hundred MB, everything becomes sluggish (even after the process has been killed there is 100% cpu use) |
| 09:57.53 | Miesco | If you got wheezy just do one of these: deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports iceweasel-4.0 |
| 09:58.00 | deconvolution | huh? it jumps unstable branch directly to squeeze ? |
| 09:58.23 | Miesco | It might be in sid |
| 09:58.33 | Miesco | I dont really know what a backport is |
| 09:58.47 | Miesco | I thought it meant packages from squeeze |
| 09:58.52 | deconvolution | ok |
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| 09:59.30 | kyrix | Miesco: just asking if you you did not want libreoffice explicitly |
| 09:59.31 | Miesco | http://mozilla.debian.net |
| 09:59.40 | Miesco | kyrix: libreoffice? |
| 09:59.56 | Miesco | kyrix: openoffice |
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| 10:00.13 | kyrix | libreoffice is the open "openoffice" fork after oracle bought sun |
| 10:00.15 | craigevil | deconvolution, just install iceweasel from experimental if you are running sid |
| 10:00.18 | deconvolution | libreoffice = patched ooo ? |
| 10:00.24 | deconvolution | yea, will do ti |
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| 10:00.30 | kyrix | miesco: http://www.libreoffice.org/ |
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| 10:00.41 | kyrix | miesco: and that is what you will find in the repos |
| 10:00.56 | ethanol | how can I manually mark a package as uninstalled? |
| 10:01.05 | Miesco | kyrix: Oh no, I mean openoffice |
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| 10:01.08 | kyrix | miesco: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libreoffice |
| 10:01.20 | Miesco | kyrix: no no no, I mean openoffice |
| 10:01.24 | craigevil | deconvolution, iceweasel: Installed: 4.0-3 Candidate: 4.0-3 |
| 10:01.35 | deconvolution | craigevil, i am searching |
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| 10:02.02 | kyrix | miesco: do you understand that libreoffice is the standard, not openoffice anymore? |
| 10:02.27 | craigevil | deconvolution, add experimental to sources.list, aptitude update, aptitude install -t experimental iceweasel |
| 10:02.35 | ethanol | kyrix: reading and understanding are two separate processes :< |
| 10:02.39 | deconvolution | craigevil, get it ,thanks |
| 10:02.48 | ethanol | but can anyone tell me how I can manually mark a package as uninstalled? |
| 10:03.13 | Miesco | kyrix: standard? |
| 10:03.22 | Miesco | kyrix: What kind of standard? |
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| 10:04.17 | Arrowmaster | Miesco: distros are dropping openoffice |
| 10:04.20 | Miesco | kyrix: I just want to know how to get openoffice is all |
| 10:04.21 | ethanol | Miesco: just consider it like this; what was once openoffice is now libreoffice |
| 10:04.25 | Miesco | Arrowmaster: HUH? |
| 10:04.30 | ethanol | Miesco: so now you want libreoffice |
| 10:04.42 | ronny | man, i still cant install python-gtk2-deb |
| 10:04.48 | Miesco | But how come you can still get openoffice from its website |
| 10:04.57 | ronny | it proposes to downgrade to iceweasel 3.6 |
| 10:05.00 | ronny | (aptitude) |
| 10:05.01 | ethanol | Miesco: why does the sun rise? |
| 10:05.04 | Miesco | openoffice changed its name? |
| 10:05.14 | ethanol | Miesco: not it forked. |
| 10:05.18 | ethanol | s/not/no/ |
| 10:05.29 | Miesco | openoffice is malicious? |
| 10:05.32 | craigevil | two different animals |
| 10:05.33 | Miesco | Like xmms? |
| 10:05.37 | ethanol | Miesco: stop asking questions you need not concern yourself with |
| 10:05.46 | kyrix | miesco: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice |
| 10:05.53 | ethanol | Miesco: get libreoffice, enjoy it. |
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| 10:06.39 | drax2gma | Hello guys, please help somebody |
| 10:06.52 | kyrix | miesco: standard as: its what will be included in debian, ubuntu, novell and redhat systems |
| 10:06.57 | ethanol | drags_: ask a question, don't ask for help |
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| 10:07.12 | ethanol | drax2gma: ^ |
| 10:07.15 | drax2gma | Upgraded from lenny to squeeze -> no network on eth0 |
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| 10:07.42 | drax2gma | if i make ifup eth0, no ipv4 address given from config |
| 10:07.46 | ethanol | drax2gma: pastebin ifconfig output, ip addr output, ip route output, /etc/network/interfaces content |
| 10:08.08 | drax2gma | sorry I cannot pastebin, hence no network... |
| 10:08.14 | ethanol | you are here are you not? |
| 10:08.23 | ethanol | so surely you can figure out a solution |
| 10:08.28 | drax2gma | yes but that is a server |
| 10:08.42 | ethanol | echo to a file, put file on usb, transfer, upload. |
| 10:08.47 | drax2gma | but I know the ip settings |
| 10:09.15 | Arrowmaster | do you know the network hardware? it could be from missing firmware |
| 10:09.31 | drax2gma | ok I figure it out |
| 10:09.41 | ethanol | anyway, is there no possible way to mark a package as uninstalled/no longer installed? |
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| 10:10.08 | Arrowmaster | ethanol: yes, uninstall it |
| 10:10.17 | ethanol | Arrowmaster: I cannot. it's no longer there. |
| 10:10.29 | Arrowmaster | purge it? |
| 10:10.45 | ethanol | Arrowmaster: I cannot, it has been replace with an alpha from source. dont want to risk having that purged. |
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| 10:11.32 | Arrowmaster | wait you overwrote the files from the package with an install from source? |
| 10:11.33 | ethanol | I just want to unmark it as installed so it wont try to update it |
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| 10:12.08 | ethanol | Arrowmaster: I think that is pretty much what happened, yes |
| 10:12.49 | Arrowmaster | ouch |
| 10:13.03 | Arrowmaster | i would uninstall it then reinstall from source if you can |
| 10:13.13 | ethanol | can't do |
| 10:13.29 | ethanol | but basically apt has no way to mark a package as no longer installed? |
| 10:13.57 | Arrowmaster | i dont know of any |
| 10:13.58 | ethanol | I'll just put it on hold then. |
| 10:16.15 | Miesco | Okay i'll ask the question. How do I get openoffice? |
| 10:16.36 | ethanol | get libreoffice |
| 10:16.46 | Kevin` | last I checked it was in the normal packages. isn't it called libreoffice now though? |
| 10:16.47 | Miesco | Whats wrong with openoffice? |
| 10:16.54 | Miesco | I've always used it |
| 10:16.54 | ethanol | get libreoffice |
| 10:16.58 | Miesco | since I was a kid |
| 10:17.00 | themill | Miesco: what version of debian is this? |
| 10:17.04 | Miesco | wheezy |
| 10:17.08 | ethanol | Miesco: aptitude install libreoffice |
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| 10:17.17 | Miesco | ethanol: That will get me openoffice? |
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| 10:17.20 | ethanol | yes |
| 10:17.26 | Miesco | Okay |
| 10:17.37 | Miesco | Really? |
| 10:17.38 | themill | Miesco: openoffice is no longer distributed by debian -- libreoffice, which is a fork of openoffice is distributed instead. (in fact, debian hasn't been shipping openoffice for quite some years) |
| 10:17.41 | ethanol | yes, really |
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| 10:18.10 | Miesco | themill: Whats so great about libreoffice that I have to change a whole office suite |
| 10:18.23 | Miesco | Have to get used to a whole new office |
| 10:18.26 | fbs | nop |
| 10:18.29 | fbs | its a fork |
| 10:18.42 | ethanol | Miesco: stop asking stupid questions. if you don't know these answers then you need not concern yourself with them. |
| 10:19.05 | SuRfDeMoN | Miesco: as far as I understand it, its the same office suite with a different name, then there will be changes, you will probably not notice the changes apart from the name change until new features come in etc... |
| 10:19.06 | fbs | Miesco: look for libreoffice, sun, oracle and stuff |
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| 10:19.15 | themill | Miesco: libreoffice isn't a whole new office suite |
| 10:19.36 | Miesco | I see openoffice stopped getting developed so they made a fork because of licencing issues and copyright with the name |
| 10:19.38 | Kevin` | Miesco: from what I remember some asshole owned the 'openoffice' name and forced the project to change the name |
| 10:20.01 | cantido | larry? |
| 10:20.08 | Miesco | what |
| 10:20.15 | ethanol | Miesco: yes. so it's the same, yet it is not. for you the difference is nihil. |
| 10:20.36 | cantido | Oracle isn't a great upstream either |
| 10:20.51 | Miesco | themill: Why did debian stop shipping openoffice for some years? |
| 10:20.59 | fbs | Miesco: look for libreoffice, sun, oracle and stuff |
| 10:21.05 | ethanol | Miesco: stop trolling :< |
| 10:21.08 | cantido | Miesco: some years? |
| 10:21.09 | fbs | Miesco: look for libreoffice, sun, oracle and stuff |
| 10:21.13 | fbs | :P |
| 10:21.22 | themill | Miesco: for the same reasons that libreoffice was forked off openoffice |
| 10:21.39 | Miesco | themill: trademark issues? |
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| 10:21.50 | ethanol | Miesco: are you writing an essay on this? |
| 10:22.02 | ethanol | Miesco: if not, god damnit just aptitude install libreoffice and stop wasting our tie |
| 10:22.05 | ethanol | s/tie/time/ |
| 10:22.14 | drax2gma | okay, i've solved it. somehow the upgrade script removed ifupdown package, still wondering why... |
| 10:22.16 | cantido | Miesco: oo has been forked, the fork should have a better upstream developer.. nuff said |
| 10:22.26 | Miesco | Well i've been using open office when I came from windows since I was a little kid and now you want me to get some libreoffice? |
| 10:22.29 | themill | Miesco: no. Feel free to read the information that's already been given to you for more information. |
| 10:22.34 | cantido | Oracle don't want you to use their opensource stuff |
| 10:23.06 | Miesco | Okay i'm going to read about libreoffice, sun oracle and stuff |
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| 10:23.19 | cantido | Also, doesnt stable have OO? |
| 10:23.25 | ethanol | Miesco: half an hour down the line and you could have been using libreoffice by now and seen for yourself that pretty much nothing has changed. instead you keep asking the same questions over and over that have been answered already. |
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| 10:24.00 | themill | cantido: not really. "apt-cache show openoffice.org|grep Homepage" |
| 10:24.23 | cantido | ah, I thought it had changed since squeeze.. |
| 10:24.31 | ethanol | it's a transitional package |
| 10:24.48 | Miesco | ethanol: I know its a fork but I dont think I should use it |
| 10:24.55 | themill | cantido: debian has been using the go-oo.org pseudo-fork for many years. |
| 10:24.56 | Miesco | ethanol: I love open office |
| 10:25.00 | ethanol | Miesco: please die. |
| 10:25.06 | Miesco | im reading the website |
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| 10:25.12 | themill | Miesco: I think your questions have been answered now. |
| 10:25.28 | Miesco | themill: No they haven't, thats why i'm finding it on google |
| 10:25.29 | cantido | Miesco: if you really really want to use openoffice their is nothing stopping you is there |
| 10:25.38 | cantido | s/their/there/ |
| 10:25.58 | Miesco | cantido: Do I have to get a third party open office repository? |
| 10:26.01 | themill | Miesco: they have -- you need to read and understand the answers. |
| 10:26.10 | Miesco | okay |
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| 10:26.13 | cantido | follow |
| 10:26.17 | cantido | Oracles instructions? |
| 10:26.20 | themill | Miesco: I think you should install libreoffice first. |
| 10:26.28 | Miesco | wait |
| 10:26.36 | Miesco | I'm reading open offices website |
| 10:26.54 | DrMrHorse | i think you should install abiword |
| 10:26.58 | ethanol | reading != understanding |
| 10:27.01 | ethanol | you have proven that |
| 10:27.02 | cantido | Hint: if it ain't in debian, it isn't our problem... |
| 10:27.13 | Arrowmaster | and there isnt much to read on open offices website i bet |
| 10:27.26 | cantido | ethanol: don't tell him that debian uses eglibc too ;) |
| 10:27.47 | Arrowmaster | the first few lines from the libreoffice wikipedia page tell all that needs to be known |
| 10:27.48 | Miesco | Its weird, oracle office, it got renamed? Is this the right page?: http://www.oracle.com/us/products/applications/open-office/index.html |
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| 10:28.09 | Arrowmaster | Miesco: orcale has renamed EVERYTHING they took from sun |
| 10:28.14 | cantido | Miesco: you aren't asking debian questions, you're asking people to read for you |
| 10:28.38 | Miesco | Okay just wondering if its the right site, im reading it now |
| 10:28.39 | themill | Miesco: perhaps you should ask in #openoffice.org |
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| 10:29.18 | SuRfDeMoN | Miesco: Open office was sun, now it belongs to Oracle, Oracle upset the developers so they forked the project and made Libreoffice, Debian didn't like what Oracle was doing either so they went with Libre Office... simple really |
| 10:29.21 | Miesco | fuck |
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| 10:29.26 | Arrowmaster | Miesco: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice just read the history section |
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| 10:29.36 | Miesco | I went to download it and got a 404 |
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| 10:29.47 | DrMrHorse | chortles |
| 10:29.55 | DrMrHorse | the internet it tired |
| 10:30.04 | Miesco | Arrowmaster: Okay |
| 10:30.07 | cantido | Computer says no |
| 10:30.14 | Miesco | I thought I read it but i'll ready it again |
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| 10:30.21 | g00se | I'm looking for the simplest possible ftpd: e.g. a config file with as near to username and password only. I'm going to run it for a few mins only |
| 10:30.24 | Arrowmaster | tl;dr version is 'oracle = asshats' |
| 10:30.53 | babilen | g00se: What do you need it for? |
| 10:31.00 | cantido | Arrowmaster: per-cpu licenses for OO.org ;) |
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| 10:31.34 | g00se | babilen: I want someone to upload a file and i don't want it in my mail - too large |
| 10:32.00 | cantido | g00se: dropbox account is going to be quicker |
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| 10:32.29 | g00se | cantido: that will require both of us to have an account? |
| 10:32.29 | themill | Arrowmaster: sun wasn't any better -- the actual forking dates back to 2003. |
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| 10:32.44 | cantido | g00se: you can create public links IIRC |
| 10:32.46 | Miesco | So to get this straight, aptitude install openoffice doesn't work? |
| 10:32.56 | Arrowmaster | Miesco: it will work |
| 10:32.59 | gnugr | Miesco: you can download Libreoffice fro here too: http://el.libreoffice.org/download/ |
| 10:33.02 | cantido | openoffice points to libre |
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| 10:33.08 | Arrowmaster | cantido: not in squeeze |
| 10:33.31 | babilen | g00se: Can't you download it? A surprisingly easy way would be for the uploader to go to the directory in question and execute "python -m SimpleHTTPServer" which would spawn a HTTP server on port 8000 that serves the file in pwd |
| 10:33.35 | pha | Hello, i'm having a major problem atm - I updated our bind server last night from Debian 5 to Debian 6 (using apt-get dist-upgrade). |
| 10:33.38 | g00se | cantido: Sounds slower to me ;) |
| 10:33.40 | Ragnar | hi, I've installed debian on a USB device (/dev/sdc) and I got 2x500gigs hdds that I want to configure software RAID-1 on (/dev/sda and /dev/sdb) any idea how I'd do that? |
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| 10:33.46 | Miesco | I go to download it and get a 404 not found: https://shop.oracle.com/pls/ostore/f?p1=oracleoffice&sc=ocom_openoffice::3794811686639868&tz=-4:00 |
| 10:33.46 | pha | Now, no matter what I do, I cannot get bind working properly. |
| 10:33.56 | Miesco | I can't get it from debian |
| 10:33.59 | babilen | g00se: sorry, can't help with the FTP side of the problem |
| 10:34.00 | cantido | g00se: dropbox account takes about 3 seconds to create.. setting up an ftpd will take longer l) |
| 10:34.01 | Miesco | I can't even get it at all |
| 10:34.01 | pha | Anyone any ideas? I would greatly appreciate it. |
| 10:34.03 | g00se | babilen: He's not that techie |
| 10:34.09 | SuRfDeMoN | Miesco: contact Oracle support :) |
| 10:34.16 | Miesco | SuRfDeMoN: okay |
| 10:34.18 | Arrowmaster | Miesco: what debian version are you using? |
| 10:34.36 | cantido | Raptors23: mdadm |
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| 10:34.46 | Miesco | Good they have a toll free number |
| 10:34.50 | Miesco | Arrowmaster: wheezy |
| 10:34.52 | Miesco | I told you |
| 10:34.55 | Miesco | already I think |
| 10:34.56 | babilen | g00se: If he is using linux that are two commands: "cd /path/to/files/in/questions ; python -m SimpleHTTPServer" -- but well :-\ |
| 10:34.58 | Ragnar | pha: what is the problem exactly? |
| 10:35.12 | Miesco | Is it in squeeze? |
| 10:35.12 | Arrowmaster | Miesco: seriously just install libreoffice |
| 10:35.19 | Arrowmaster | currently it is the exact same thing as openoffice |
| 10:35.35 | cantido | you can't read by yourself but you're running testing/unstable... recipe for disaster? |
| 10:35.45 | Miesco | Arrowmaster: I guess I might have to |
| 10:35.46 | SuRfDeMoN | Miesco: while your on with them you can tell them their website sucks and lots of people in #debian think they suck! |
| 10:35.47 | kyrix | Miesco: http://download.openoffice.org/other.html |
| 10:35.47 | pha | I don't know Ragnar, it's the exact same setup I had on Lenny, and I have been through everything, and it all looks fine - it just won't provide Answer records. |
| 10:36.00 | Miesco | SuRfDeMoN: What? |
| 10:36.11 | babilen | g00se: But a FTP server can be easily started with twisted/python as well. See http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4994638/one-line-ftp-server-in-python for an example. |
| 10:36.16 | Miesco | "Aquired software support" link i'm guessing |
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| 10:36.25 | Arrowmaster | SuRfDeMoN: i think they already know, then entire IT industry hates them right now |
| 10:36.28 | g00se | babilen: He'll be using a Mac |
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| 10:36.54 | cantido | g00se: yousendit.com |
| 10:37.12 | SuRfDeMoN | Arrowmaster: yep but they seem to have Miesco as a fan |
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| 10:37.36 | cantido | SuRfDeMoN: maybe larry will let him have a go on his boat! |
| 10:38.04 | babilen | g00se: You would start it on your side :) |
| 10:38.12 | gnugr | here theres also libreoffice.dmg: http://el.libreoffice.org/download/ |
| 10:38.20 | sep | pha, what does your logs say ? |
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| 10:41.38 | g00se | babilen: That twistd thing on that page looks exactly the ticket - auth as well |
| 10:41.42 | babilen | g00se: "aptitude install python-twisted ; twistd -n ftp" and on his side "ftpclient yourserver 2121" (ftp server on port 2121) |
| 10:42.03 | babilen | g00se: exactly :) |
| 10:42.16 | Miesco | wtf I have to register to get support |
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| 10:42.33 | tuxcrafter | PING security.debian.org(2001:a78:5:0:216:35ff:fe7f:be4f) <<< DOWN! |
| 10:42.47 | Miesco | Whats the usual email for asking questions to the webmaster? |
| 10:42.48 | cantido | Miesco: just use libreoffice like you have been told a million times already |
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| 10:43.16 | frikinz_ | tuxcrafter: blocking pings |
| 10:43.37 | g00se | babilen: You're a hero(ine?) |
| 10:44.11 | babilen | g00se: hero :) |
| 10:44.11 | Miesco | Whats the usual email for support, is it like support@company.com? |
| 10:44.30 | tuxcrafter | what was that command here again to see the kernel version |
| 10:44.35 | tuxcrafter | ,kernel stable |
| 10:44.36 | judd | (kernel [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
| 10:44.47 | tuxcrafter | ,kernel --release stable |
| 10:44.48 | judd | Available kernel versions are: squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31) |
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| 10:46.06 | g00se | The only small fly in that ointment was the 14MB's worth of packages ;) |
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| 10:46.28 | cantido | tuxcrafter: uname -r |
| 10:46.37 | ethanol | Miesco still here? god ban this troll already |
| 10:46.51 | babilen | g00se: Hehe, but you know you now want to study Python and Twisted and create urgently needed FOSS applications ;) |
| 10:47.51 | cantido | or just use one of the many file sending services.. get mail that isn't so crap that you can't accept big files?.. ;) |
| 10:48.33 | g00se | thinks ... hang on - perhaps i could have done something with netcat ;) |
| 10:48.36 | babilen | cantido: Sending large (>=1MB) files via SMTP is just wrong. |
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| 10:48.55 | cantido | babilen: why? |
| 10:49.06 | ethanol | sftp or scp plx |
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| 10:51.21 | babilen | cantido: Bacause SMTP was not designed for file transfers. It needs to encode binary files in ASCII with, for example, the old-school uuencode or MIME et al. It is also horribly slow compared to other methods. I always flinch when I receive a 10MB file in my mail. |
| 10:51.40 | cantido | babilen: FTP is also a pile of shit.. |
| 10:51.51 | g00se | fyi this one's 88MB |
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| 10:52.06 | cantido | I get 100MB+ bundles of PSDS in my mail faily often |
| 10:52.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | whoever it is hates mail servers |
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| 10:53.16 | babilen | cantido: Yes, I do not necessarily advocate FTP. I don't see any reason to send files via mail if you can just as easily provide the link to the files in question in the mail and serve them via HTTP(S) |
| 10:53.45 | petern_ | It's not "just as easily" though. |
| 10:53.57 | cantido | well I prefer people to just share a dropbox folder.. but mail works too |
| 10:54.23 | flamingspinach | or just paste the link on IRC, that's even easier :) |
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| 10:54.44 | flamingspinach | and you don't even have to serve your files locally, just sshfs up a web folder |
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| 10:55.56 | cantido | you're IM protocol of choice should do file transfers too |
| 10:56.04 | babilen | *your |
| 10:56.07 | cantido | s/you're/your |
| 10:57.00 | cantido | thanks babilen for pointing out obvious typos |
| 10:57.10 | babilen | you're welcome ;) |
| 10:57.43 | g00se | This ftpd's going to be running for c.20 mins before hitting the bit bucket |
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| 10:58.30 | cantido | g00se: It took longer than it would have to get the other party just to upload it somewhere though, or transfer it over something like Skype |
| 11:00.18 | Miesco | Fucking had to send an email to oracle sales because they gave no other email and I dont' have a contract for support or a CSI or whatever that is so I can't call |
| 11:00.19 | g00se | cantido: Yes, but either might cause him problems and i'm not on Skype (not in lenny y'know) |
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| 11:01.01 | cantido | they have a repo for lenny IIRC.. they have static binaries too |
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| 11:01.47 | cantido | Miesco: we did tell you to use libreoffice right? |
| 11:01.53 | Miesco | yea |
| 11:01.57 | Miesco | Maybe I will |
| 11:02.04 | Miesco | or google docs |
| 11:02.05 | cantido | Oracle are arseholes |
| 11:02.42 | SuRfDeMoN | Miesco: hope you included your bank details if you want them to contact you back |
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| 11:02.52 | cantido | I doubt oracle will do much in-house development on openoffice anyhow, so the forces will probably progress a ton faster |
| 11:03.02 | cantido | s/forces/forks/ |
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| 11:03.21 | Miesco | There site is stupid, have to click and search through a bunch of pages just to do the thing thats your suppost to do at the page anyway |
| 11:04.36 | Miesco | How can a "prestiges" company such as them have 404 errors for getting one of their products, untollerable |
| 11:05.00 | cantido | didn't realise this was #oracle |
| 11:05.11 | Miesco | sorry |
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| 11:05.38 | Miesco | Better suppost here for oracle then on oracle.com :( |
| 11:06.01 | Miesco | I'm just going to use libreoffice |
| 11:06.02 | cantido | They don't want you to use their opensource "products" |
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| 11:06.18 | nevyn | they really want you to pay.. |
| 11:06.27 | nevyn | and pay a lot. |
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| 11:06.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | and you still won't get support :p |
| 11:06.55 | cantido | They wanted Java.. oo etc while be dumped as soon as they can |
| 11:07.11 | cantido | s/while/will/ |
| 11:07.23 | nevyn | cantido: maybe. |
| 11:07.33 | Miesco | Does this mean netbeans is dead? |
| 11:07.40 | nevyn | cantido: I think you're underestimating how much larry hates bill ;) |
| 11:07.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | cantido: 'have been already' :) |
| 11:08.06 | cantido | Miesco: netbeans is their Java IDE.. |
| 11:08.28 | Miesco | Like is there going to be librebeans? |
| 11:08.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
| 11:08.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | that just sounds illy |
| 11:08.49 | cantido | Java is key to their business and they couldn't let sun fall into someone elses hands.. anything that won't make a profit will die |
| 11:08.53 | Miesco | or combeans probably |
| 11:08.59 | cantido | Miesco: its called eclipse |
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| 11:10.03 | Miesco | At least java has payed support now, people are obsessed with that stuff and wont use any open source |
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| 11:10.20 | cantido | Miesco: eh, java is opensource |
| 11:10.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | it had paid support with sun too... |
| 11:10.38 | Miesco | oh okay |
| 11:11.01 | Miesco | Is it even possible to fork java? |
| 11:11.04 | cantido | And I don't think thats coding support .. more like "leaving legacy bugs in so your apps still works" |
| 11:11.12 | Miesco | Can they copyright their specs? |
| 11:11.23 | cantido | Miesco: you don't understand copyright |
| 11:11.33 | Miesco | I dont |
| 11:11.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | perhaps take this to -offtopic |
| 11:11.51 | Miesco | #-offtopic? |
| 11:11.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | #debian-offtopic |
| 11:12.04 | cantido | Miesco: yeah, this is OT.. look up why oracle are suing google |
| 11:12.33 | cantido | OpenJDK is in Debian though, so there you go. |
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| 11:21.36 | ethanol | Miesco: so, nearly 2 hours later you finally realised you should have just type ''aptitude install libreoffice'' 2 hours ago? |
| 11:22.03 | Miesco | ethanol: Well I learned something, oracle is a jerk |
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| 11:22.16 | ethanol | Miesco: no, I sincerely doubt that you learned anything. |
| 11:22.28 | Miesco | I learned oracle is a jerk |
| 11:22.30 | brahman_ | oracle=jerk++ |
| 11:23.13 | ethanol | judging something or someone based on something you do not comprehend, does not constitute learning. |
| 11:23.22 | abrotman | anyway ... |
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| 11:24.01 | brahman_ | anybody else experience poor support for sun tin since the buyout? |
| 11:24.13 | brahman_ | s/poor/poorer/ |
| 11:24.18 | nevyn | yep. |
| 11:24.35 | boudiccas | brahman_, what is 'sun tin' please? |
| 11:24.45 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic |
| 11:24.49 | nevyn | boudiccas: fujitsu hardware |
| 11:25.13 | nevyn | abrotman: on topic if said tin runs debian? |
| 11:25.14 | brahman_ | looks at #debian-offtopic and decides the conversation aint that important |
| 11:25.19 | nevyn | heh |
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| 11:32.31 | Miesco | You guys are not -offtopic so its boring cause no ones talking to me |
| 11:32.37 | Miesco | or answering my questions |
| 11:32.49 | Miesco | That are completely undebian related |
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| 11:33.04 | resmo | hi |
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| 11:33.40 | Miesco | Doe debian have a good mud client in the repository? |
| 11:33.56 | babilen | !tell Miesco -about search |
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| 11:34.29 | arcsky | what dnssec open source tool do you guys prefer ? |
| 11:34.33 | Miesco | babilen: Yea but I want to search description |
| 11:34.42 | Miesco | If you type ~ in the search in aptitude it crashes |
| 11:34.44 | fbs | there is enough mud iin my backyard, why would you want a repo for it? |
| 11:34.49 | babilen | !tell Miesco -about aptitude search |
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| 11:34.51 | abrotman | Miesco: quit being lazy .. read the docs |
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| 11:35.07 | babilen | Miesco: "apt-cache search" or "aptitude search ~d" -- Learn the system please :) |
| 11:35.36 | resmo | Miesco, RTFM ;) |
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| 11:36.18 | Miesco | â?description("\"easy\"")â will match any package whose description contains the string â"easy"â. |
| 11:36.21 | Miesco | are you kidding |
| 11:36.27 | Miesco | type all that |
| 11:36.37 | abrotman | you typed more than that in this channel |
| 11:36.52 | babilen | Miesco: Please read the manual, there are short forms like ~d.. for ?description(..) |
| 11:36.53 | Miesco | oh I got the mud clients |
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| 11:37.04 | Miesco | babilen: Yea but it crashes when Id o that |
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| 11:37.55 | the_sniff | Using rsync on something that isn't that large kills my LAN connection to my VM server (which is locall available) and makes it N/A for a few minutes. why is this? |
| 11:37.58 | babilen | Miesco: It should not do that. Are you running some kind of funky frankendebian mixed together from different sources? |
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| 11:38.26 | babilen | Miesco: I would like to see the output of that crash on http://paste.debian.net along with the output of "apt-cache policy" please |
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| 11:39.04 | Miesco | babilen: In aptitude curses, if you type /~ it crashes, does it for you? |
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| 11:39.13 | abrotman | babilen: see .. he doesn't read |
| 11:39.52 | engla | Miesco: yes it does :-) |
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| 11:40.44 | Miesco | engla: Then you paste the bug report, i'm lazy |
| 11:41.01 | abrotman | as if we didn't know that |
| 11:41.07 | the_sniff | Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying.. â |
| 11:41.07 | the_sniff | Aborted |
| 11:41.22 | the_sniff | lol |
| 11:41.34 | Miesco | I got an offtopic question but I dont know where else to ask |
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| 11:41.58 | Miesco | Can I ask it? |
| 11:42.03 | abrotman | in #debian-offtopic |
| 11:42.11 | Miesco | k |
| 11:42.18 | the_sniff | anyone has had problems with anything like what i got with rsync? |
| 11:43.12 | engla | Miesco: I'll leave it for you |
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| 11:44.20 | spiekey | Hello! |
| 11:44.28 | the_sniff | noone? |
| 11:44.44 | spiekey | i am using pppoeconf to set up my dsl dialin. How can i set static routes here? |
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| 11:45.10 | abrotman | spiekey: maybe use the post-up to run a script that sets them? |
| 11:46.01 | spiekey | abrotman, post-up in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 11:46.08 | abrotman | man interfaces .. yes |
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| 11:53.17 | frikinz_ | I plugged a machine on my company network. It got an ip from dhcp. It also got declared in the company dns. WHat is the mechanism behind this? Dhcp or anything like mdns or something else? |
| 11:53.38 | frikinz_ | I mean, its hostname is now known in the dns |
| 11:54.34 | jelly-home | dhcp and ddns. |
| 11:55.40 | frikinz_ | jelly-home: thanks, I'll have a look at it. rfc2136 |
| 11:55.42 | jelly-home | frikinz_: should be enough for a some meaningful results http://google.com/search?q=dhcp+ddns |
| 11:55.49 | jelly-home | s/a // |
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| 11:58.02 | frikinz_ | yeah wikipedia |
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| 12:01.54 | Raptors | My motherboard splash screen stays on the screen for exactly 60 sec |
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| 12:02.01 | Raptors | Does this mean my MB is dying? |
| 12:02.37 | petemc | sometimes you can press a key to see whats actually going on rather than the splash screen |
| 12:02.45 | Raptors | No |
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| 12:02.55 | Raptors | it just takes that long |
| 12:02.58 | Raptors | it never did it before |
| 12:03.13 | abrotman | it may be probing devices .. ask ##hardware, not really a Debian issue |
| 12:03.44 | Raptors | I know that not a prob because it was giving me NVRAM errors so I set it to not ask for the button press |
| 12:03.59 | Raptors | kkk |
| 12:04.23 | Raptors | kk* |
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| 12:22.29 | Leoneof | hi, is there any GUI like firestarter to monitor active connections? |
| 12:22.54 | Leoneof | i know the command linke like this: netstat -an | grep ESTABLISHED |
| 12:23.31 | Leoneof | linke=line* |
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| 12:25.32 | Bushmills | you need the same output with a different font? |
| 12:26.01 | Leoneof | Bushmills: nope, i want gui :) |
| 12:26.35 | Bushmills | what a GUI do, when showing that output? |
| 12:26.48 | Bushmills | what *does* |
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| 12:27.17 | Leoneof | gui is easier to read, it does update the info for connections...etc. |
| 12:27.49 | Bushmills | "easier to read" - that means, different font? check out watch for periodic updates |
| 12:28.25 | Leoneof | oh well, i give up :) |
| 12:28.41 | Leoneof | i will go back to use terminal. |
| 12:29.16 | Bushmills | with fbterm you can set font and fontsize easily :) |
| 12:29.49 | HackeMate | hello |
| 12:30.12 | HackeMate | i am visiting a website that has a bunch of url links from megaupload, i want to copy all of them but they are in different html files |
| 12:30.20 | HackeMate | how can i use wget to save all |
| 12:30.32 | HackeMate | im reading the man but i dont get it |
| 12:30.50 | Bushmills | you need somebody to tell you what part of the man page to read? |
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| 12:31.03 | HackeMate | that could be nice |
| 12:31.09 | Bushmills | check out the -r part |
| 12:31.18 | Leoneof | Bushmills: thanks for the info ^_^ |
| 12:31.39 | Bushmills | my pleasure :) |
| 12:32.20 | Bushmills | when you need more clicking and buttons and links to push mouse button on, check out ntop |
| 12:32.56 | Bushmills | though readability - your one concern - doesn't really benefit from it |
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| 12:37.48 | HackeMate | Bushmills: i only have the last question, is the -A only valid for format files? |
| 12:37.55 | HackeMate | or can i specify a url link there |
| 12:38.10 | HackeMate | instead -A.mp3 -Amegaupload.com or anything that only saves the link |
| 12:38.12 | frikinz_ | HackeMate: use jdownloader? |
| 12:38.27 | HackeMate | can jdownload grab all url links recursively? |
| 12:38.46 | daedaluz | how's sandy bridge and mobile radeons on 6? |
| 12:38.57 | frikinz_ | hum recursively no. all on one webpage yes |
| 12:39.14 | Bushmills | HackeMate: "Specify comma-separated lists of file name suffixes or patterns.." doesn't include "or urls" |
| 12:39.55 | HackeMate | Bushmills: so damn :/ |
| 12:39.59 | HackeMate | i will do it in other way then |
| 12:40.31 | frikinz_ | HackeMate: and you can control jdownload programmatically with xclip for example. it does captcha, router reboot (for dynamic ip) ,;.. |
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| 12:41.05 | HackeMate | i use jdownloader, indeed i want those url links for jdownloader, but i wont click in every webpage to click in another one, to see the url link |
| 12:41.07 | jae | ircd: what's the current consensus (hah!) on what's "best"? Or, what do y'all recommend? |
| 12:41.37 | jae | did use ircd-hybrid a while ago (2 years or so) |
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| 12:44.07 | frikinz_ | HackeMate: maybe wget -m |
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| 12:48.09 | HackeMate | i got it, wget -O links.txt -r -l1 -H -t1 -nd -N -np -erobots=off |
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| 12:48.20 | HackeMate | thanks for the tips, it really helped me |
| 12:48.22 | rofl0r | i got an interesting case here: trying to execute a 32bit binary yields: execve("./dwarf.exe", ["./dwarf.exe"], [/* 50 vars */]) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 12:48.56 | rofl0r | but the file is there of course |
| 12:49.11 | rofl0r | dwarf.exe: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, stripped |
| 12:49.29 | rofl0r | (i use 64 bit sid) |
| 12:49.38 | Ri_usw | try "ldd dwarf.exe" |
| 12:49.55 | rofl0r | "not a dynamic executable" |
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| 12:50.35 | justin | rofl0r: install ia32-libs? |
| 12:50.38 | Ri_usw | rofl0r: file said differently, what an odd world :) |
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| 12:56.45 | rofl0r | thanks, ia32-libs solves it. |
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| 12:57.18 | rofl0r | now i just need to get the required 32bit libaries ^^ |
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| 12:59.16 | rofl0r | if i want to get libsdl in 32bit, how can i tell it to aptitude ? |
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| 12:59.40 | rofl0r | in suse it was libSDL-32 or so |
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| 13:02.20 | DammitJim | how can I get cupsys-bsd for hplip? |
| 13:02.26 | DammitJim | it seems that package is on hold? |
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| 13:03.28 | envirocbr | bolvarak: PING |
| 13:06.31 | Azrael_-| | i have incoming packages on eth0 but they have the wrong mac. can i somehow mangle them to appear with the correct mac to the system? |
| 13:06.48 | Bushmills | rofl0r: apt-cache |
| 13:07.05 | justin | Azrael_-|: why do they have the wrong mac? |
| 13:07.33 | Azrael_-| | the hoster has the wrong configuration for some ips in their switch. thus they send it out with the wrong mac |
| 13:08.13 | justin | Azrael_-|: shouldn't you just tell them to fix it? |
| 13:08.15 | Azrael_-| | these entries are static so i can't fix it using some arp-pings or sth like this |
| 13:08.38 | Azrael_-| | rofl, yeah, it just takes 3-48 hours, if they ever manage to fix it! |
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| 13:10.27 | Azrael_-| | so, any suggestions? |
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| 13:22.55 | juboba | how can I change my keyboard layout for good? |
| 13:23.16 | juboba | it keeps setting the layout I selected when I installed the system |
| 13:23.16 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 13:23.16 | dpkg | Squeeze users: Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your console and X keymap. Lenny users: Run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" to change the console keymap (use loadkeys for temporary adjustments) -- to change the X keymap, read "man xmodmap" and ask me about <xorg config lenny>; gnome-control-center and kcontrol can also be used. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
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| 13:23.39 | juboba | thanks abrotman |
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| 13:31.07 | g00se | abrotman: it appears that the installed keymap files don't include UK English, or am i missing something? |
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| 13:31.27 | iateadonut | got a little problem with my postfix server - i can send mail to an email address via telnet by ssh'ing into that machine, but i cannot send it from thunderbird. i guess my domain registrar is not pointed correctly. can anyone tell me how to do that? i tried mx - smtp.example.com and that doesn't seem to work. |
| 13:31.32 | abrotman | g00se: it's a conspiracy by the 'merkans |
| 13:31.48 | abrotman | g00se: honestly, never looked for them .. moment |
| 13:31.51 | g00se | abrotman: ;) I AM missing something - just spotted |
| 13:32.01 | iateadonut | (just posted in #postfix - sorry) |
| 13:32.31 | abrotman | g00se: oh okay .. good :) |
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| 13:54.11 | Bushmills | iateadonut: "cannot send it from thunderbird." has nothing to do with the mx record of *your* domain. if the problem is mx related, it would be the mx record of the domain you're trying to send email to. |
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| 13:56.07 | iateadonut | the mx record should be - what.example.com? |
| 13:56.37 | Bushmills | host name of the mail server which can receive mail for recipients on that domain |
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| 13:58.54 | Bushmills | ,versions thunderbird |
| 13:58.55 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'thunderbird' was found in i386. |
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| 13:59.27 | iateadonut | ,versions seaweasel |
| 13:59.28 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'seaweasel' was found in i386. |
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| 14:02.34 | simonlnu | icebird, thunderdove |
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| 14:03.43 | simonlnu | thunder, thunder, thunder, thunderhawks! |
| 14:04.08 | Bushmills | icepigeon |
| 14:04.33 | simonlnu | fireweasel |
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| 14:10.35 | abdi | I'm sorry that I disturb you, but I want to know whether there are also German speaking gint chats and if not then where |
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| 14:11.19 | ck01 | try #debian.de |
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| 14:36.09 | arcsky | anyone alive ? |
| 14:36.37 | arcsky | need help with debian->USB->seriel->router |
| 14:36.41 | Leoneof | yes i am. |
| 14:36.42 | arcsky | minicom |
| 14:37.04 | arcsky | minicom -D /dev/ttyUSB0 -b 9600 wont work |
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| 14:37.38 | Bushmills | it causes your computer to explode? |
| 14:38.46 | arcsky | exploade ? nope |
| 14:38.59 | Bushmills | just simply "not work" |
| 14:39.11 | Bushmills | hm. try to bribe it, whip it, or threaten it. |
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| 14:39.31 | frikinz_ | arcsky: you could also start minicom -os and do all the settings manually like flow control, speed |
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| 14:40.41 | arcsky | how can i check what usb port it use ? |
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| 14:43.33 | tuxcrafter | ,kernel --release unstable |
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| 14:43.35 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.38-1-686 (2.6.38-1) |
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| 14:45.46 | themill | tuxcrafter: just out of curiosity, did you think it would have changed in the last 4 hours? (especially since judd only updates that data twice per day) |
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| 14:47.47 | tuxcrafter | themill: the previus one was a check for stable :) |
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| 14:48.10 | tuxcrafter | themill: i am searching for the w83795 kernel module |
| 14:48.22 | vooze | Hi, when i have changed hostname in /etc/hosts + /etc/hostname when do i "restart it" so it takes effect? |
| 14:48.26 | tuxcrafter | themill: http://www.lm-sensors.org/wiki/Devices |
| 14:48.33 | vooze | when= how |
| 14:48.36 | tuxcrafter | themill: should have been in 2.6.37 |
| 14:48.41 | tuxcrafter | themill: but it aint there |
| 14:51.20 | vooze | nvm, figured it out. |
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| 14:54.29 | frikinz_ | tuxcrafter: grep -i w83795 /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 14:54.46 | frikinz_ | /boot/config-2.6.37-trunk-686:# CONFIG_SENSORS_W83795 is not set |
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| 15:01.28 | frikinz_ | anyone handling a free hotspot here? I'd like to give some links to a friend. Legal constraints seem a pain. Blacklist, logging. |
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| 15:01.37 | tuxcrafter | frikinz_: just found that |
| 15:01.48 | tuxcrafter | frikinz_: why would it be not set? |
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| 15:02.56 | frikinz_ | tuxcrafter: no idea about debian kernel process. it just entered in the kernel so maybe they wait a bit. low quality? staging? Rebuild your kernel. |
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| 15:04.59 | ycaltif_ | I cant can aptlinex working. I use iceweasel and although after installing aptlinex there appears apt protocol in firefox but I cant assign proper program to handle it, as firefox accepts only single program name without arguments, so I am unable to start synaptic in root mode.What is the proper way to make the thing work ? |
| 15:05.04 | ycaltif_ | *get |
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| 15:06.03 | ycaltif_ | ( and I cant find any resources on that , seems it works for everybody :S ) |
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| 15:10.10 | cobe571 | Hello everyone I need urgent help regarding the bluetooth ... I tried everything: gnome-bluetooth, bluemon, bludevil, etc ... there is no way to send files from cell to pc, as time ago thanks to gnome-obex-server that is no longer present. pc to cell works, but not the other way. |
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| 15:15.30 | o0ze | Hi question. I have installed Debian (testing) on 2 different machines and on both machines sound works (using pulse). But when a song/audio starts it jitters for 5 secs to sometimes 20 secs. Sometimes halts completely pressing play will start it again. Perhaps this is known issue ? What is the best way to troubleshoot such a problem ? (messages/syslog doesn't anything). |
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| 15:20.24 | DetroitLibertyPe | o0ze, is that every time you have audio or just some applications? I know I get that if I listen to RhytmBox, but not VLC |
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| 15:20.47 | DimitryKakadu | I'm trying to load nvidia kernel module |
| 15:20.48 | DimitryKakadu | FATAL: Module ./nvidia.ko not found. |
| 15:20.55 | DimitryKakadu | where can I find some logs? |
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| 15:21.06 | DimitryKakadu | there is no anything in dmesg |
| 15:22.21 | babilen | DimitryKakadu: Have you installed the nvidia drivers? If yes: How? |
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| 15:22.59 | jhutchins_lt | DimitryKakadu: What kernel? (uname -r) |
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| 15:23.33 | jayniz | g'morning |
| 15:23.37 | scorphus | hello, anyone experiencing this bug? |
| 15:23.38 | DimitryKakadu | babilen: I updated testing repository yesterday. New 260.* drivers doesn't work |
| 15:23.39 | scorphus | !bugs 620059 |
| 15:23.43 | dpkg | #620059:I[nfs-kernel-server] nfs-kernel: Starting NFS kernel daemon: nfsd mountd failed! (); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:03:04 UTC [] |
| 15:23.57 | jayniz | on a server i rent, they pulled out the harddrive and put it into another server. now itdoesn't find the ethernet adaptor anymore. found out it's a realtek 8110sc/8169sc, and i modprobe'd r8169, but i just can't get eth0 up again. is there some dpkg-reconfigure or detection script or something i could run? |
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| 15:24.02 | DimitryKakadu | jhutchins_lt: Linux kakaduVAIO 2.6.32kakadu2 #1 SMP Thu Jan 20 22:07:08 MSK 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 15:24.26 | babilen | DimitryKakadu: So, how did you install the drivers? |
| 15:24.28 | jhutchins_lt | DimitryKakadu: So you compiled your own? |
| 15:24.45 | DimitryKakadu | babilen: aptitude |
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| 15:24.54 | babilen | DimitryKakadu: Which package? |
| 15:25.07 | DimitryKakadu | jhutchins_lt: half a year ago |
| 15:25.30 | DimitryKakadu | babilen: nvidia-kernel-dkms, nvidia-kernel-common and some others |
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| 15:26.03 | DimitryKakadu | babilen: kernel module is located in nvidia-kernel-dkms package |
| 15:26.31 | DimitryKakadu | babilen: /lib/modules/2.6.32kakadu2/updates/dkms/nvidia.ko present |
| 15:26.32 | babilen | DimitryKakadu: Why did you compile your own kernel? What happens if you run "aptitude -r reinstall nvidia-kernel-dkms" ? |
| 15:27.34 | DimitryKakadu | babilen: I've compiled kernel to increase my linux skill ) |
| 15:27.35 | babilen | DimitryKakadu: Have you configured Xorg to use the nvidia driver? How *exactly*. Can you paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://paste.debian.net when you try to start it? And once again: Why did you compile your own kernel? Does it work with a Debian kernel? |
| 15:28.25 | o0ze | DetroitLibertyPe: Spotify for instance what it is piped from an alsa plugin into pulse (hope I say that correctly). But its in more applications including VLC (though VLC only has it at the start and hasn't halted yet) |
| 15:28.29 | babilen | DimitryKakadu: Please use the Debian stock kernel and try again. Make sure you have the headers installed : aptitude install linux-headers-2.6-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') |
| 15:28.57 | babilen | DimitryKakadu: If that does still not work paste the previously requested information for that case too. |
| 15:29.02 | DimitryKakadu | babilen: I had the same problems with 2.6.32-5 (standart kernel) yesterday but I can try again |
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| 15:29.34 | babilen | !tell DimitryKakadu -about nvidia dkms |
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| 15:30.13 | DimitryKakadu | babilen: http://paste.org.ru/?7if5fo - config |
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| 15:30.31 | babilen | DimitryKakadu: nvidia-xconfig ? |
| 15:30.46 | o0ze | DimitryKakadu: Do you know how to troubleshoot pulse. Since I can't seem to find any logging of it :( |
| 15:31.19 | babilen | DimitryKakadu: Please move that xorg.conf somewhere else, run " mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf" and try again. Please also paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log logs for all discussed cases. |
| 15:32.27 | DimitryKakadu | babilen: with my kernel or standart? |
| 15:33.02 | babilen | DimitryKakadu: I would prefer a paste with the standard kernel and the configuration outlined in the last message. |
| 15:33.16 | DimitryKakadu | OK, I'll reboot now |
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| 15:42.35 | stevieman | I am trying to setup sudo for our users, I've got it working but the user has to enter the root password, Is there a way to have it work so they enter their password instead of the system root password? |
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| 15:43.43 | themill | stevieman: that's the default behaviour, in fact |
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| 15:44.57 | stevieman | themill: hmm well how the heck did I not get that working? Is it because I granted ALL=(ALL) ALL? |
| 15:45.10 | themill | but look at sudoers(5) and the rootpw option -- have you accidentally set that? |
| 15:45.48 | DimitryKakadu | babilen: `Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist` Is it critical to skip this step? |
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| 15:46.10 | babilen | DimitryKakadu: It is critical to perform it :) |
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| 15:46.48 | babilen | DimitryKakadu: I mean: It is important to enable the nouveau blacklist. But it might have been activated already. What's the status? |
| 15:47.19 | alaki | hi, i just reload my server Debian 64, i would appriciate if you tell me how can i install tcl8.5.9-src.tar ? |
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| 15:47.59 | babilen | ,versions tcl8.5 |
| 15:48.01 | judd | Package tcl8.5 on i386 -- lenny: 8.5.3-2; squeeze: 8.5.8-2; wheezy: 8.5.8-2; sid: 8.5.9-2 |
| 15:48.06 | DimitryKakadu | babilen: I have never heard about this blacklist before..... ( |
| 15:48.26 | babilen | alaki: 8.5.8 doesn't cut it? |
| 15:48.33 | stevieman | themill: I don't think so, I just added the user using visudo |
| 15:49.10 | alaki | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.13 | themill | stevieman: can you pastebin the entirety of sudoers and any files in /etc/sudoers.d? |
| 15:49.46 | alaki | babilen i think its missing in the core file of server |
| 15:49.53 | alaki | there for i cant use lets say eggdrop |
| 15:50.18 | babilen | alaki: It looks as if you are using lenny, what does "cat /etc/debian_version" give you? |
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| 15:50.43 | stevieman | themill: well it is the default sudoers file with a line user ALL=(ALL) ALL added and no files in sudoers.d. This is a fresh install of Debian nothing else has been touched yet other than making a user with adduser |
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| 15:51.13 | alaki | babilen 5.0.8 lenny |
| 15:51.15 | themill | stevieman: adding the user to the sudo group is sufficient then -- "adduser youruser sudo" |
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| 15:51.36 | patrykr | hey |
| 15:51.37 | djura-san | o/ |
| 15:51.53 | babilen | alaki: You might want to consider to upgrade to squeeze. Follow the release notes (/msg dpkg squeeze release notes) and make sure you read at least "What's new in squeeze" and chapter 4 |
| 15:51.58 | babilen | ,versions eggdrop |
| 15:52.01 | judd | Package eggdrop on i386 -- lenny: 1.6.19-1.1+lenny1; lenny-security: 1.6.19-1.1+lenny1; sid: 1.6.19-1.2; squeeze: 1.6.19-1.2; wheezy: 1.6.19-1.2 |
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| 15:52.18 | cinch | where did the mkisofs command go to? |
| 15:52.24 | babilen | alaki: eggdrop should just be an "aptitude install eggdrop" away though (on lenny *and* squeeze) |
| 15:52.33 | cahoot | cinch: genisoimage IIRC |
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| 15:52.41 | cinch | ah thanks! |
| 15:52.52 | patrykr | I have problem. I can't ping my server from intenetbut in LAN its ok. |
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| 15:53.14 | stevieman | themill: ok, I just tried that, did a su at the command prompt and was asked for the PW. I entered the user PW and it failed, entered the root PW and it worked. |
| 15:53.15 | petemc | patrykr: how does the server connect to the internet? |
| 15:53.21 | patrykr | yes |
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| 15:53.27 | themill | stevieman: "su" is not "sudo". |
| 15:53.31 | patrykr | i can connect by telnet |
| 15:53.38 | patrykr | website working |
| 15:53.42 | patrykr | but i cant ping it |
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| 15:55.12 | jhutchins_lt | patrykr: So your firewall is blocking pings. |
| 15:55.20 | patrykr | ooo... I didt read all question. debian->router, with dsl modem |
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| 15:55.36 | stevieman | themill: Seriously? |
| 15:55.36 | patrykr | how to unlock this? |
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| 15:57.01 | stevieman | themill: ok, so will the users need to do anything with sudo set or do they always have the root permission? |
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| 15:57.59 | themill | stevieman: if they want to elevate permissions for a bit, use "sudo", otherwise, they remain unprivileged. http://wiki.debian.org/sudo might help |
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| 16:00.22 | patrykr | tell me, Can I have DNS server, if that server blocking pings? |
| 16:00.32 | stevieman | themill: ah I remember now, I've been dulled by Ubuntu :) |
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| 16:00.55 | themill | stevieman: sudo is not fundamentally different between the two. |
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| 16:01.27 | stevieman | themill: No but I've been using su in Ubuntu and totally forgot how to use sudo |
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| 16:01.55 | DimitryKakadu | babilen: thank you. Your advices + my EDIDs => profit! |
| 16:02.08 | babilen | DimitryKakadu: so, it is working now? |
| 16:02.23 | DimitryKakadu | babilen: yes |
| 16:02.33 | babilen | yay! Champagne for everybody! |
| 16:02.39 | babilen | !champagne all |
| 16:02.39 | dpkg | puts on a sexy miniskirt and showers all in the finest Cliquot champagne. |
| 16:02.46 | stevieman | themill: So adding a user to /etc/sudoers do I use 'visudo' or the command you gave me "adduser youruser sudo" |
| 16:03.18 | themill | stevieman: if you just want to give unrestricted access to that user, then just add them to the sudo group with adduser. |
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| 16:04.01 | themill | stevieman: if, however, you want something more sophisticated, then you will need to mess about with sudoers and yes, you should use visudo to do that. |
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| 16:07.18 | stevieman | themill: Thank you very much for your help clarifing my thinking |
| 16:08.01 | DimitryKakadu | Another not very critical problem with nvidia |
| 16:08.16 | babilen | hmm? |
| 16:08.18 | DimitryKakadu | My screen is blank when I switching to tty. |
| 16:08.51 | DimitryKakadu | some discussions here: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-996719.html. It is not my dicussions |
| 16:09.28 | DimitryKakadu | people says that it's OK to add `options nvidia NVreg_UseVBios=0` to /etc/modprobe.conf |
| 16:09.55 | DimitryKakadu | this didn't help me some months ago |
| 16:10.11 | DimitryKakadu | Now i'm in the mood to try again |
| 16:10.40 | DimitryKakadu | Is it OK to add this line to /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-common.conf? |
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| 16:11.33 | DimitryKakadu | Where can I read what features will I loose after adding this line? |
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| 16:13.23 | DimitryKakadu | I'm going ro reboot and then I'll report you |
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| 16:15.03 | DammitJim | is there a repo for virtualbox for wheezy? |
| 16:16.35 | themill | ,versions virtualbox-ose |
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| 16:16.37 | judd | Package virtualbox-ose on i386 -- lenny: 1.6.6-dfsg-3; lenny-backports: 3.2.4-dfsg-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.2.10-dfsg-1; wheezy: 4.0.2-dfsg-1; sid: 4.0.4-dfsg-1 |
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| 16:17.36 | DimitryKakadu | this line doesn't help me |
| 16:18.08 | DimitryKakadu | babilen: any ideas? |
| 16:18.40 | DammitJim | judd, what does that mean? |
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| 16:19.42 | themill | DammitJim: that means that you can just "aptitude install virtualbox-ose" with your normal wheezy repos |
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| 16:19.59 | DammitJim | thanks... I did that and got this error: Starting VirtualBox kernel modulesNo suitable module for running kernel found ... failed! |
| 16:20.11 | DammitJim | am I missing something else? |
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| 16:39.07 | babilen | DimitryKakadu: You could try disabling KMS -- Also search the BTS (Debian's bug tracker) for bugs and consider filing one if you don't find a related/similar one. |
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| 16:43.21 | izua | hey there, i got a logitech c270 webcam, lsusb lists it as 046d:0825 Logitech, Inc. but no attached device is created. |
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| 16:44.25 | stevieman | I'm rying to connect to my server with Samba and I am not sure if the problem is with Samba or my Windows machine. The logs for the machines trying to connect are empty |
| 16:44.31 | DimitryKakadu | babilen: thanks |
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| 16:45.43 | ompaul | stevieman: so install a samba client on your debian box try to connect to the local box - one test over |
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| 16:46.18 | babilen | !tell DimitryKakadu -about kms |
| 16:47.50 | cahoot | izua: unplug/replug, check the last 10 or so lines of dmesg |
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| 16:48.06 | izua | did that, only pulled the serial number. |
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| 16:48.16 | s3phir0th115 | Question for the purpose of filing a bug report. Would the deluge web ui being incredibly slow on both the iceweasel in Squeeze and a more modern Firefox be classified as a bug in the deluge-web or a bug in iceweasel? |
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| 16:50.09 | izua | odd. |
| 16:50.24 | izua | if plugged in on a laptop/x64, which has x and the like installed, it works ootb |
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| 16:51.38 | cahoot | izua: what happends if you explicitly modprobe uvcvideo? |
| 16:51.56 | izua | tried that, nothing. |
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| 16:52.04 | izua | well, rmmod uvcvideo, and then modprobe |
| 16:53.03 | jhutchins_lt | ,pciid 046d:0825 |
| 16:53.04 | judd | [046d:0825] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=046d:0825 |
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| 16:53.28 | izua | it's usb? |
| 16:53.35 | jhutchins_lt | ,usbid 046d:0825 |
| 16:53.49 | jhutchins_lt | izua: Ah well. |
| 16:53.53 | izua | also, hold on, there's psomething weird going on |
| 16:54.00 | jhutchins_lt | Dunno if there's a usb database or not. |
| 16:54.06 | izua | it works on an 64 bit squeeze laptop |
| 16:54.13 | izua | but not on a 32 bit box. |
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| 16:54.33 | themill | jhutchins_lt: abrotman was going to write one.... |
| 16:54.49 | cahoot | izua: faulty connector is not plausible? |
| 16:55.01 | izua | lsusb lists it? |
| 16:55.45 | izua | i doubt it's so faulty that it survives only enumeration |
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| 16:56.20 | cahoot | izua: got more than one usb-connector on the computer to test? |
| 16:56.37 | izua | lol, also tried that >.< |
| 16:56.42 | izua | hm. |
| 16:57.03 | izua | oh wait. |
| 16:57.11 | izua | ERROR: Module uvcvideo does not exist in /proc/modules |
| 16:57.14 | izua | might be a problem. |
| 16:57.27 | izua | but for some reason it printed nothing last time *headbash* |
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| 16:57.50 | cahoot | built you own kernel? |
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| 16:57.59 | bur4k | hi hackers ;) |
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| 16:58.08 | patrykr | how to save iptables configuration, cuz when I rebbot, I must setup everything again |
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| 16:58.19 | izua | nope, vanilla |
| 16:58.49 | izua | but it's a minimal install, only the last option checked in the installer (minimal environment i think), no x, no nothing. |
| 16:59.09 | izua | mkay. |
| 16:59.13 | cahoot | uvcvideo comes with kernel regardless |
| 16:59.18 | izua | i assume i'll need build-essential and kernel sources to build it |
| 16:59.40 | izua | *scratches head some more* |
| 16:59.49 | izua | slocate says /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/drivers/media/video/uvc/uvcvideo.ko |
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| 17:00.11 | bur4k | Can anyone tell me what the following code does?? |
| 17:00.11 | bur4k | ## |
| 17:00.11 | bur4k | if [ -z "$eth0" ]; then |
| 17:00.11 | bur4k | echo "Failed" |
| 17:00.11 | bur4k | ## |
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| 17:00.19 | cantido | izua: you only need the headers to build external modules |
| 17:00.20 | cahoot | and modprobe uvcvideo gives no error? |
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| 17:01.08 | izua | yeah, not found. |
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| 17:01.16 | izua | hm. |
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| 17:01.23 | izua | i recall trying some other webcam a while ago |
| 17:01.29 | izua | which failed miserably, and another one before that |
| 17:01.31 | izua | waaait a minute. |
| 17:01.43 | izua | *quickly searches for the module blacklist file* |
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| 17:02.09 | izua | *pretends it's empty* |
| 17:02.12 | izua | nevermind, it's working now. |
| 17:02.14 | bur4k | Can anyone tell me what this code does: if [ -z "$eth0" ]; then echo "Error" ????????? |
| 17:02.23 | izua | i rebooted it and it automagically worked XD |
| 17:02.53 | abrotman | themill: i need more time at home ... |
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| 17:03.14 | Spec | bur4k: man [ |
| 17:03.31 | Spec | bur4k: tells me -z checks if $eth0 is string-length-0 |
| 17:03.50 | cantido | guesses its checking that you've configured it .. |
| 17:03.51 | bur4k | ahhh ;) cool |
| 17:03.55 | bur4k | thank you ;) |
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| 17:04.08 | abrotman | themill: not sure if that would be a good thing or a bad thing |
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| 17:04.20 | themill | :) |
| 17:04.25 | cantido | bur4k: [ is also known as "test".. because it's used to "test" stuff |
| 17:05.00 | themill | it's also not what your shell uses because it will be a builtin instead |
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| 17:05.30 | benoswald | hi |
| 17:05.36 | benoswald | exit |
| 17:05.51 | bur4k | ***cantido: oh yes... I'm just manipulating a test code ;) |
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| 17:11.44 | cantido | themill: [ isn't the same as test in bash? |
| 17:12.12 | cantido | weird.. man [ loads up the page for test |
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| 17:17.25 | alaki | sorry folks but still im confuse about how to install Tcl 8.5 9 on debian lenny |
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| 17:20.51 | abrotman | 8.5 9 ? |
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| 17:20.59 | termens | worth learning bsd operating systems for end users? |
| 17:21.09 | abrotman | which one? |
| 17:21.30 | abrotman | alaki: aptitude install tcl8.5 ? |
| 17:21.41 | abrotman | alaki: aptitude install tcl8.5 tcl8.5-dev ?? |
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| 17:22.04 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions tcl8.5 |
| 17:22.05 | judd | Package tcl8.5 on i386 -- lenny: 8.5.3-2; squeeze: 8.5.8-2; wheezy: 8.5.8-2; sid: 8.5.9-2 |
| 17:22.23 | abrotman | does he want 8.5.9 ? |
| 17:22.28 | abrotman | what is "8.5 9" ? |
| 17:22.47 | termens | debian /linux is better than debian /freebsd??? |
| 17:23.17 | abrotman | try them both, you decide |
| 17:23.20 | themill | cantido: "type -a [". Yes, in a bash script, [ and test do the same thing but neither of them are /usr/bin/{[,test} and they are documented in the "help" page (or man bash-builtins) and not in "man [". |
| 17:23.37 | termens | is a more difference' |
| 17:23.39 | termens | ??? |
| 17:23.54 | Arrowmaster | yes, and debian/kfreebsd is still a technical preview |
| 17:24.35 | stevieman | Is there a way to encrypt files that can be decrypted when specific users access the share via samba? ie. no using ssh to decrypt files. Also root is not to have access to these files. |
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| 17:26.04 | termens | is stable, or only one version is that in the future will be? |
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| 17:30.49 | jhutchins_lt | termens: If you are familiar with freebsd then debian freebsd has some advantages. If you are new to *nix I would stick with the standard. |
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| 17:32.34 | termens | jhutchins, I have a time with linux debian but it was to know if it's worth changing core |
| 17:32.39 | pallmall | !ciao |
| 17:32.39 | dpkg | well, ciao is both hello and goodbye (casual), or a slow and old but widely known Prolog interpreter. |
| 17:32.59 | jhutchins_lt | termens: No. |
| 17:32.59 | pallmall | !list |
| 17:33.00 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 17:33.25 | pallmall | !what can I do? |
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| 17:33.57 | termens | jhutchins_lt, thank you |
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| 17:38.44 | treebeen | hmm, security.debian.org isn't reachable for me with ipv6. anyone? |
| 17:39.08 | DammitJim | treebeen, I've been having problems with that repo today |
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| 17:42.59 | abrotman | it's a roundrobin IIRC .. |
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| 17:43.23 | Black_Prince | *sigh* Squeeze is so stable ... I haven't received updates for days |
| 17:43.30 | Black_Prince | It's boring ... heh |
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| 17:44.35 | zedboy | waits quietly for an updated iceweasel |
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| 17:45.03 | ymasory | Black_Prince: count your blessings. sid exploded today |
| 17:45.24 | ymasory | at least for me |
| 17:45.31 | Black_Prince | Oh ... Are there any dead? |
| 17:45.39 | ymasory | two computers down |
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| 17:45.57 | ymasory | one at an undisclosed location hiding from dist-upgrade |
| 17:46.05 | Black_Prince | Ah |
| 17:46.43 | ymasory | yeah after the new kernel install gdm wouldn't start |
| 17:47.04 | zedboy | eh if you can still log in nothing is that bad |
| 17:47.13 | ymasory | zedboy: how so? |
| 17:47.48 | ymasory | i'm new to sid, coming from ubuntu 90% because of package freshness frustrations |
| 17:48.04 | Black_Prince | shrugs |
| 17:48.05 | zedboy | ymasory: sorry, should clarify: if you can still log in from the console, everything is still fixable. |
| 17:48.13 | Black_Prince | Newbies shouldn't use sid ... |
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| 17:48.40 | ymasory | zedboy: my only trick was /etc/init.d/gdm restart, which did nothing |
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| 17:48.53 | zedboy | ymasory: ok, time to read some error logs :-) |
| 17:48.58 | Black_Prince | Are you using nvidia drivers? |
| 17:49.02 | zedboy | ymasory: if gdm is failing, should be easy to figure out why. |
| 17:49.06 | ymasory | Black_Prince: probably so, but i don't have time to get the hang of stable for a year. remember, package freshness is why i switched |
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| 17:49.08 | Black_Prince | or ati proprietary? |
| 17:49.13 | Iridos | sid! |
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| 17:49.23 | ompaul | !sid |
| 17:49.23 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 17:49.26 | ymasory | oh dang, good point. it's probably the nvidia drivers! |
| 17:49.27 | Iridos | was there already enough spanking for using sid then not knowing what to do? |
| 17:49.33 | Iridos | ah, allright... now |
| 17:49.34 | ymasory | yeah yeah heard that a million times |
| 17:49.44 | Iridos | shallow learning curve? |
| 17:49.56 | cahoot | steep rather |
| 17:49.59 | yaaar | hey guys, how can I get my fully qualified hostname into $PS1? I read here (http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-tip-prompt/) that it should just be \H (where \h is the unqualified hostname) but that's not giving me the FQDN, just the first part. btw 'hostname -f' shows the correct FQDN |
| 17:50.19 | Iridos | cahoot, perhaps I never fully understood that metaphor :) |
| 17:50.22 | ompaul | Iridos: when the world stops it is an interesting time for sid users, they have to hope that two syncs later all things will be good |
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| 17:51.53 | Iridos | ompaul, I always consider sid users to be people who can't think of anything more fantastic to spend a day/evening with than to fix a debian package/dependency... fair enough, everyone needs a hobby |
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| 17:52.33 | Ab3L | hello. |
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| 17:53.34 | ompaul | Iridos: well I've been using it for a few years on and off, at least two boxes side by side never ever upgrade both at the same time, always happy. :-) |
| 17:53.36 | Ab3L | which is the version of the linux kernel in squeeze 6.0.1 ? |
| 17:54.21 | zedboy | yaaar: what shell? |
| 17:54.36 | jhutchins_lt | 2.6.32 (heavily patched) |
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| 17:55.22 | Ab3L | thank you jhutchins |
| 17:55.47 | Black_Prince | Doh, it's patches are 16MB heavy ... |
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| 17:56.48 | yaaar | zedboy: bash |
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| 17:57.52 | zedboy | yaaar: yeah should be \H |
| 17:57.57 | Ab3L | jhutchins: and do you know if old ati radeon cards are supported? ( X1600 RV516 XT, per example) |
| 17:58.14 | yaaar | zedboy: doesn't work |
| 17:58.32 | jhutchins_lt | !radeon |
| 17:58.33 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
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| 17:58.41 | yaaar | www:/etc/apache2# echo $PS1 |
| 17:58.43 | yaaar | \H:\w\$ |
| 17:58.47 | zedboy | yaaar: yeah got that from your original statement :-) |
| 17:58.55 | yaaar | hehe fair enough |
| 17:59.08 | zedboy | yaaar: wait, is your machine name www? |
| 17:59.14 | Ab3L | thank you twice, jhutchins. |
| 17:59.22 | yaaar | zedboy: yeah, that's the unqualified hostname... |
| 17:59.28 | zedboy | yaaar: unusual but ok :-) |
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| 18:00.01 | yaaar | it's an openvz container that doesn't do anything but run one website... |
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| 18:00.39 | yaaar | and i have several others that also have www hostnames....which is why i'd like the FQDN in the prompt so i can tell which one i'm on ;-) |
| 18:00.53 | zedboy | yaaar: heh :) makes sense. not sure why bash is misbehaving |
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| 18:01.12 | zedboy | yaaar: can you try another shell (eg zsh) and see if it gets the prompt right? |
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| 18:01.51 | jhutchins_lt | I wonder if it would do any good to google "bash prompt"... |
| 18:01.53 | ompaul | yaaar: you might like to try \h not \H# |
| 18:02.11 | ompaul | zedboy: ^^ case wrong |
| 18:02.45 | yaaar | ompaul: \h is what it had before i changed anything. prompt looks the same either way, though the doc i read said \h should be unqualified (e.g. www) and \H should be qualified (e.g. www.domain.com) |
| 18:02.46 | zedboy | ompaul: from the bash manpage: \h the hostname up to the first `.' |
| 18:02.59 | zedboy | \H the hostname |
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| 18:03.56 | yaaar | zedboy: interestingly, zsh takes $PS1 literally, not interpreting anything. that is my prompt looks like \H:\w\$ |
| 18:04.17 | zedboy | yaaar: that is correct, zsh has different expansion codes. |
| 18:04.33 | ompaul | doh |
| 18:04.38 | abrotman | maybe ask #bash ? |
| 18:04.38 | ompaul | goes looking |
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| 18:05.27 | ElDiabolo | Is there any documentation on setting up debian for old people? |
| 18:05.32 | zedboy | yaaar: try export PS1="%M:%~$ " |
| 18:05.56 | ElDiabolo | openoffice and gnome, to be precise |
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| 18:06.18 | zedboy | ElDiabolo: what do you want specifically to achieve? |
| 18:06.25 | Ab3L | ok. that's all for now. bye. |
| 18:06.32 | jhutchins_lt | ElDiabolo: What different needs would "old people" have from non-"old people". |
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| 18:07.17 | zedboy | yaaar: actually interestingly I just tried that on my machine on zsh and it also only gives me up to the dot, though hostname -f shows the full deal :-) |
| 18:07.35 | zedboy | is old and loves Debian |
| 18:07.59 | yaaar | yeah same result here |
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| 18:08.04 | ElDiabolo | zedboy, jhutchins_lt: simplicity. less features. |
| 18:08.23 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: accessibility, large fonts |
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| 18:09.06 | pipeline | ElDiabolo: openoffice already resembles office '97 from that one firm out west. Anyone who has any idea at all what to do with a word processor from a major vendor shoudl have no trouble using it :P |
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| 18:09.12 | zedboy | ElDiabolo: Not sure Debian is the best choice for a simplified beginner system. |
| 18:09.30 | ranix | wrong |
| 18:09.49 | abrotman | ElDiabolo: SymphonyOS is an interesting project aimed at simplifying the interface .. but Debian would work fine if that's what oyu want to use |
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| 18:10.02 | ElDiabolo | My father (83) somehow manages to reconfigure the buttons in oowriter (seems this is possible with drag and drop). If he looses the print button, he is lost |
| 18:10.32 | yaaar | from #bash: yeah, misunderstandery - yaaar: it means that H will use the full hostname-minus-domain, while h will only use the FIRST domain part of the hostname. |
| 18:10.58 | zedboy | yaaar: neat |
| 18:11.00 | abrotman | ElDiabolo: file->print ? |
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| 18:11.36 | zedboy | ElDiabolo: I agree with you, the tradeoff of features/complexity vs. simplicity is a big issue. A full featured modern office suite has a lot of bells and whistles - that can be a problem for some users. |
| 18:11.37 | ElDiabolo | abrotman, He tends to not find that ... |
| 18:11.55 | abrotman | okay .. well, at any rate .. the appilcation problem is going to exist no matter which OS you choose |
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| 18:12.09 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: screen shot the menu and then blow it up and print it |
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| 18:13.21 | stevieman | I have Samba up and running and I am trying to get symlink work but I keep getting an 'Access Denied' message. The symlink works just fine from the server |
| 18:13.23 | pipeline | ElDiabolo: I'm with abrotman -- the approach you have selected is not a tractable problem. Perhaps you should find a way to reframe the problem. e.g. teaching your father about the beauty of the file menu. |
| 18:13.28 | ElDiabolo | zedboy, A very simple word processor actually would help a lot. |
| 18:13.38 | abrotman | gedit |
| 18:13.40 | zedboy | ElDiabolo: There might be a project out there that offers such a thing. |
| 18:13.42 | ompaul | kdate |
| 18:13.45 | ompaul | kate even |
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| 18:14.30 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: the old phrase that you need to use in training, there is more than one way to skin a cat, these graphical representations are just short cuts for this part of the menu (see screen shot) |
| 18:14.32 | project2501a | hey guys, what does it mean that ntp is running in 32-bit mode? or why is it still running in 32 bit mode? can i tell it to run at 64-bit at runtime? |
| 18:16.18 | abrotman | it's just setting the clock ... |
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| 18:16.33 | project2501a | yeah, but why is the daemon complaining about 32-bit mode? |
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| 18:16.45 | project2501a | the epoch is almost over |
| 18:17.06 | project2501a | the end of the world is nigh! repent! |
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| 18:17.24 | dvs | until 2012 |
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| 18:17.37 | ElDiabolo | zedboy, I actually hoped for such a project ... |
| 18:17.41 | DammitJim | how can I run pm-hibernate as a non root user? |
| 18:17.59 | MrFrood | DammitJim: sudo ? |
| 18:18.03 | zedboy | ElDiabolo: maybe even look into the stuff developed for the Linux-based netbooks |
| 18:18.08 | DammitJim | I don't have sudo |
| 18:18.15 | pipeline | DammitJim: install sudo |
| 18:18.31 | DammitJim | I thought this was duable w/o sudo |
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| 18:18.58 | DammitJim | ok, let's say I install sudo |
| 18:19.20 | DammitJim | can I run sudo /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh force ? |
| 18:19.34 | pipeline | DammitJim: yep |
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| 18:19.59 | pipeline | DammitJim: you could do this shit by setting particular scripts suid etc, but that's a terrible idea. Better to have a single point of failure, a single attack surface: sudo itself. |
| 18:20.00 | MrFrood | DammitJim: if you configure sudo to allow it |
| 18:20.22 | DammitJim | the problem with sudo is that it's going to ask me for a password |
| 18:20.41 | DammitJim | I'm trying to get a hibernate button to work on e |
| 18:20.45 | DammitJim | from a sysactions.conf file |
| 18:20.53 | MrFrood | DammitJim: not if you configure it right |
| 18:20.54 | DammitJim | but I'll give it a try |
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| 18:21.03 | DammitJim | thank you |
| 18:21.07 | DammitJim | I've got much to learn |
| 18:21.54 | project2501a | so how about that 32-bit compatibility? |
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| 18:22.36 | erAbuelo | buenas tardes/noches |
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| 18:23.10 | project2501a | buenos aires |
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| 18:25.28 | Xenguy | Folks, I'm struggling with 'find' and '-prune'. I just want to do a brute force for every file except anything under /proc, then grep those found files for a string... |
| 18:25.59 | Xenguy | I've tried using '-prune' to get find to skip /proc, along these lines: find / -path ./proc -prune -o -type f -exec grep -lI "string" {} \; |
| 18:26.02 | DammitJim | ok, sudo /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh force now works with a regular user |
| 18:26.30 | DammitJim | how can I get that to work from sysactions.conf? |
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| 18:26.55 | Xenguy | But I can't get a sane set of search results |
| 18:27.16 | DammitJim | or is there a way for the system not to ask me for my password now that I'm a sudoer? |
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| 18:27.46 | Bartzy | It's safe to delete /var/cache/apt ? |
| 18:27.52 | Bartzy | the entire directory ? |
| 18:28.00 | DammitJim | I added sudo to that config file, but something tells me that's not right |
| 18:28.06 | MrFrood | DammitJim: man visudo |
| 18:28.30 | Yuri_Braz | Bartzy: Why you do not use aptitude clean? |
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| 18:28.47 | Bartzy | thanks |
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| 18:29.23 | DammitJim | what I don't understand is how shutdown doesn't need any special configs for the non root user |
| 18:29.23 | Yuri_Braz | What is comand used to see informations about processor usage? A to see informations about the processor? |
| 18:29.51 | Black_Prince | Informations about processor can be seen in /proc/cpu/info |
| 18:29.56 | dvs | Yuri_Braz: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 18:29.58 | Black_Prince | A cpu usage can be seen with top or htop |
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| 18:30.15 | Yuri_Braz | :D Thank you!! |
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| 18:30.52 | DammitJim | but I guess this works for now |
| 18:30.58 | jtza8 | If I recreate my root partition (in order to extend the ext4 fs on it) are there any options I should set on the partition? |
| 18:31.16 | vooze | Hi guys.. in my webserver when i create a new folder and then go to "www.domain.tld/folder" users cant see the files, they just get error 403 (forbidden) is there a good way or (.htacess file) that will allow them to see the whole folder and the files in it??? |
| 18:31.25 | MrFrood | DammitJim: also man sudo |
| 18:31.27 | Black_Prince | In order to extend your partition you could just resize it ... No need to recreate it |
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| 18:31.44 | SgrA | how can I disable users ls'ing in my home directory |
| 18:31.50 | jtza8 | Black_Prince: Using parted? |
| 18:31.58 | Black_Prince | Parted or Gparted |
| 18:32.00 | DammitJim | MrFrood, will that answer why I didn't need sudo to do shutdown or restart as a non-root user? |
| 18:32.02 | Black_Prince | I prefer gparted ... |
| 18:32.04 | Black_Prince | !gparted |
| 18:32.04 | dpkg | GParted is the <GNOME> partition editor, which uses libparted (see <parted>) and other optional filesystem tools. Install the ntfsprogs package to enable <NTFS> support and the dosfstools package for FAT16/32 support. Consider a <debian-live> image and installing gparted (after boot) as an alternative to the GParted Live CD. http://gparted.sf.net/faq.php #gparted on irc.gnome.org. |
| 18:32.36 | justin | SgrA: chmod o= ~ |
| 18:32.38 | Black_Prince | It's easier doing things through GUI ... Althrough you can use parted, too |
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| 18:33.39 | SgrA | justin: will it apply on all subdirectories in ~? |
| 18:33.56 | Black_Prince | No it won't ... |
| 18:34.11 | MrFrood | DammitJim: unless usong a login manager one does need to configure sudo for shutdowm to work without a password check |
| 18:34.12 | SgrA | chmod -vR o= ~ ? |
| 18:34.17 | jtza8 | Thanks Black_Prince... it's just that I had options on the ext4 fs that I didn't want parted to play with, so I just deleted the partition and created a new one starting at the exact same sector. |
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| 18:34.41 | Black_Prince | Maybe |
| 18:34.55 | DammitJim | I'm using slim as my login manager |
| 18:35.00 | DammitJim | and I didn't have sudo installed |
| 18:35.07 | Black_Prince | SgrA or try find /home/yourname -type d -exec chown o= '{}' ';' |
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| 18:35.18 | jtza8 | Black_Prince: ... then used resize2fs. |
| 18:35.33 | MrFrood | DammitJim: I said unless using a login manager... |
| 18:36.00 | DammitJim | I'm sorry... I misread that |
| 18:36.17 | Black_Prince | G(parted) uses it too, but it knows what options you'll need |
| 18:36.37 | DammitJim | yeah, so how can I configure hibernate and suspend to work just like shutdown and restart? |
| 18:37.39 | jtza8 | Black_Prince: In future I will remember that. It's too late now, though... oh well. |
| 18:37.54 | MrFrood | man sudo or google should tell you - if yo you run visudo there may even be a commented out example |
| 18:38.11 | jtza8 | Black_Prince: I'll go bother Google now :) |
| 18:38.36 | joe6 | when i use the full screen on youtube videos, it crashes iceweasel. |
| 18:38.55 | joe6 | any thoughts on how I canfix it? |
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| 18:39.21 | project2501a | joe5 message adobe, tell them to fix flash on linux |
| 18:39.44 | ranix | project2501a: flash on windows and macs sucks almost as bad |
| 18:39.45 | DammitJim | but like I said... I didn't have sudo to be able to do shutdown and restart? |
| 18:39.46 | mmcji | hello, howdo i add a persistent static route in debian. i am running "squeeze/sid". |
| 18:39.50 | mmcji | I have tried adding each of the following, one at a time, to /etc/network/interfaces and then restarting networking. up route add 10.10.10.75 gw 172.30.100.254 eth2, and post-up route add 10.10.10.75 gw 172.30.100.254 eth2. After adding either link, the interface will not come up when restarting networking. I am able to add the same route successfully with route add 10.10.10.75 gw 172.30.100.254 eth2, however it is not persistant. |
| 18:40.02 | crond | ranix: try flash on a powerpc G5 mac. |
| 18:40.04 | ranix | mmcji: man 5 interfaces |
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| 18:40.23 | ranix | you're not even close to proper interfaces syntax |
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| 18:40.59 | DammitJim | unless when calling shutdown, the system is calling the underlying gdm or something? |
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| 18:41.33 | MrFrood | DammitJim: have you checked what user slim is running as? |
| 18:41.45 | mmcji | i have my interface defined above where I am trying to add the persistent route. I am checking the man page. |
| 18:41.57 | DammitJim | Mr_Queue, no, but I think you are starting to answer my question :) |
| 18:42.06 | ranix | actually mmcji I misread, that was a misfire |
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| 18:42.30 | DammitJim | checks... I'm just trying to understand all this |
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| 18:43.30 | mmcji | ok, i am still looking at the man page though :-) |
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| 18:44.43 | ranix | oh I think I found it |
| 18:44.55 | ranix | try using /sbin/route instead of just "route" |
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| 18:45.26 | ranix | and post-up is probably the one you want |
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| 18:45.38 | joe6 | when I use shutdown on my new debian installation, I do not see any "Shutting down ... " messages. Whereas, it does so on my older debian installation. |
| 18:45.46 | mmcji | k, testing. thanks |
| 18:46.27 | josepha | How to get the Ati Radeon Xpress 1150 to run on debian? Aticonfig keeps telling me: aticonfig: No supported adapters detected |
| 18:46.56 | crond | josepha: ati's fglrx driver doesn't support older cards |
| 18:46.58 | Wicla | Hey. How do you tell /usr/bin/daemon to stop mpd-statusd? The init.d-script leaves the process defunct which messes up puppet (tries to change status of the process from running to stopped each run). |
| 18:47.02 | crond | you might need to use the radeon driver |
| 18:47.28 | DammitJim | MrFrood, I googled how to do that, but I can't figure it out... how do I figure out what user slim is running as? |
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| 18:47.35 | MrFrood | DammitJim: visudo and add the line 'USERNAME ALL= NOPASSWD: /path/to/command' |
| 18:47.52 | DammitJim | MrFrood, I already did that |
| 18:47.55 | DammitJim | I've got all that working |
| 18:47.55 | josepha | crond: Which most likely suck? |
| 18:48.11 | DammitJim | I'm just trying to understand the other piece... of how come shutdown doesn't need sudo |
| 18:48.40 | DammitJim | but I guess that's because the session I'm in is a limited "window" within root |
| 18:48.46 | MrFrood | DammitJim: fire up htop or top - should show you what progs are running for specific users |
| 18:48.48 | DammitJim | at least that's how I'm understanding it from reading |
| 18:48.49 | Wicla | *mpt-statusd. Tried using "/usr/bin/daemon --name mpt-statusd --stop" but it wouldn't find the process (might have understood the command incorrectly). |
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| 18:49.25 | DammitJim | yeah, slim is running as roog |
| 18:49.26 | DammitJim | root |
| 18:49.50 | MrFrood | so now do you know why no password? |
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| 18:49.57 | crond | josepha: beats me, I think they support 3D decently. It's that or use the last official ATI driver that supported your card. |
| 18:50.31 | DammitJim | yeah! and it's different when you care calling pm-hibernate or pm-suspend because that's not how shutdown works |
| 18:50.33 | DammitJim | right? |
| 18:50.46 | josepha | crond: How do I install the radeon driver? |
| 18:51.43 | MrFrood | DammitJim: if root called them - no password but if a user calls them then you need to set up sudo or use password |
| 18:51.59 | Black_Prince | !tell josepha about fglrx |
| 18:52.10 | DammitJim | so, when I click the button for shutdown, the call is being made by root and not by my user |
| 18:52.26 | MrFrood | yes |
| 18:52.39 | DammitJim | wow |
| 18:52.44 | babilen | DammitJim: The user has to belong to the "powerdev" group though |
| 18:52.46 | DammitJim | thanks for hanging in there for me |
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| 18:53.02 | DammitJim | yes... it is... I verified that before I asked anything on here |
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| 18:53.17 | DammitJim | it's probably annoying to explain this stuff to people like me |
| 18:53.46 | MrFrood | DammitJim: it's one of the reasons we hang here |
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| 18:54.00 | rhalff | hi I try to install the unstable version of varnish, but somehow apt-get install varnish -t unstable, says I allready have the latest version, I think the pinning file is correct. is that a deprecated way to install an unstable package or something ? |
| 18:54.02 | eFfeM | hi, anyone a suggestion how to configure things in startup so a service starts after another service (mysql) has been started and initialized? I've tried playing with priorities but to no avail |
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| 18:54.45 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions varnish |
| 18:54.48 | judd | Package varnish on i386 -- lenny: 1.1.2; lenny-backports: 2.1.3-7~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.1.3-8; wheezy: 2.1.3-8; sid: 2.1.5-2 |
| 18:54.56 | ElDiabolo | eFfeM, insserv |
| 18:55.28 | ElDiabolo | eFfeM, if you have dependency based boot. |
| 18:55.42 | eFfeM | ElDiabolo: thanks, will look at it |
| 18:55.43 | ElDiabolo | man insserv |
| 18:55.51 | rhalff | jhutchins, the installed version is 2.1.3-8, still it says it's allready the latest version |
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| 18:57.31 | DammitJim | that's very interesting... pm-hibernate can only be ran by roo (pm-action) |
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| 18:57.47 | DammitJim | so even if I changed suid for my user on those files wouldn't work |
| 18:57.51 | Mr_Queue | DammitJim: ? |
| 18:58.02 | DammitJim | nevermind... I'm going to shut up |
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| 18:58.21 | Mr_Queue | DammitJim: I've a hilight from you at 14:41 EST. |
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| 18:58.42 | DammitJim | sorry Mr_Queue ... tabbed for MrFrood |
| 18:58.59 | Mr_Queue | I see. |
| 18:59.18 | DammitJim | thanks for answering, though |
| 18:59.28 | DammitJim | and how do you know I called you? |
| 18:59.30 | DammitJim | are you on irssi? |
| 19:00.23 | eFfeM | ElDiabolo: reread the man page, the issue is that the mysql starts before the service that depends on it, but it takes a few seconds before mysqld is ready to accept connections and my service needs mysql to be up and running; for now the only thing seems to be to have a sleep 5 or so in the init script |
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| 19:01.13 | eFfeM | and I have this in my script: # Required-Start: $remote_fs $syslog $network mysql |
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| 19:01.46 | shirish | hi all, does anybody know when did squeeze 6.0.1 got released ? |
| 19:02.04 | shirish | and URL for a jigdo of DVD of that. |
| 19:02.11 | shirish | and release notes. |
| 19:02.41 | MrFrood | DammitJim: most irc client can ce set to highlight or perform some action when a users name is used |
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| 19:02.55 | abrotman | shirish: did you check debian.org ? |
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| 19:03.05 | MrFrood | *be |
| 19:03.15 | abrotman | shirish: if you scroll down, should be a 'News' section |
| 19:03.31 | DammitJim | but did you guys have to scroll up to see it? |
| 19:03.42 | MrFrood | yes |
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| 19:03.59 | DammitJim | oh ok, I thought maybe there was some kind of command where you could just print messages for you |
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| 19:04.10 | eFfeM | ElDiabolo: wanted to say *I reread the man page* ... |
| 19:04.34 | MrFrood | but some irc clients have plugins to pop stuff up in another buffer |
| 19:04.37 | DammitJim | nothing like /lastlog or anything, right? |
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| 19:04.51 | jhutchins_lt | shirish: It was released last week iirc. |
| 19:05.00 | jhutchins_lt | !tell shirish about release notes |
| 19:05.11 | jhutchins_lt | shirish: Downloads in the usual places. |
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| 19:06.08 | MrFrood | DammitJim: I don't us irssi - but if memory serves me right a look at the irssi plugin page should give you something useful ;) |
| 19:06.21 | MrFrood | *use |
| 19:06.29 | DammitJim | I will check it out |
| 19:06.30 | DammitJim | thanks |
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| 19:08.47 | abrotman | irssi has /lastlog |
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| 19:10.04 | DammitJim | abrotman, yes... but I didn't know if there was a specific parameter to search for messages just for me |
| 19:11.09 | MrFrood | uses weechat |
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| 19:11.31 | Black_Prince | uses xchat |
| 19:11.34 | cosmos2 | hello |
| 19:11.43 | cosmos2 | I have no sound anymore |
| 19:11.54 | cosmos2 | I've install oss ans alsa |
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| 19:12.00 | cosmos2 | and I mess with them |
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| 19:12.20 | MrFrood | dpkg: tell cosmos2 about alsactl |
| 19:12.26 | cosmos2 | I've uninstall and reinstall alsa-base and alsa-utils but no sound |
| 19:12.32 | cosmos2 | still no alsamixer |
| 19:12.59 | cosmos2 | MrFrood: command not found |
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| 19:13.18 | MrFrood | cosmos2: did you do it as root? |
| 19:13.18 | MagusOTB | Is there anything that has a filemaker-esque interface to a SQL database that is either cross-platform (nix, osx, 'doze) or web based? |
| 19:13.28 | Black_Prince | cosmos2: do it as root |
| 19:14.01 | cosmos2 | alsactl: init:1743: No soundcards found... |
| 19:14.10 | pipeline | MagusOTB: filemaker is not *really* an sql database |
| 19:14.17 | pipeline | MagusOTB: it's a whole different animal, the multivalue database of yore |
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| 19:14.29 | MagusOTB | pipeline: I know it isn't, but I'm looking to replace it |
| 19:14.34 | pipeline | MagusOTB: I don't know of any open source multivalue DBs, but there may be some. *shrug* |
| 19:14.46 | cosmos2 | MrFrood: Black_Prince: alsactl: init:1743: No soundcards found... |
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| 19:15.02 | MagusOTB | pipeline: I don't really care how the DB backend works, it just needs to be a little more accessable to laymen than using straight queries on a real database |
| 19:15.02 | MrFrood | cosmos2: have you checked that the sound card is enabled in your bios? |
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| 19:15.07 | cosmos2 | do I have to load something special in /etc/modules? |
| 19:15.08 | subsume | I added myself to the sudo group and reloaded but I can't use sudo |
| 19:15.19 | pipeline | MagusOTB: these guys claim to be a successor to Pick -- http://www.maverick-dbms.org/ |
| 19:15.29 | cosmos2 | Sound card worked just he last boot |
| 19:15.42 | cosmos2 | I've just installed oss |
| 19:15.48 | Black_Prince | cosmos2: cat /etc/asound/cards |
| 19:15.53 | cosmos2 | in order to getr adc working |
| 19:15.54 | MrFrood | cosmos2: iffy battery could reset things |
| 19:15.54 | pipeline | MagusOTB: oh... you don't actually care about how it works. Examine e openoffice/libreoffice "oobase." It's an access-like DBMS that uses a real SQL database as the backend. |
| 19:15.55 | Black_Prince | and paste them to pastebin.net |
| 19:16.08 | Black_Prince | cosmos2, you did not need to install oss, there is alsa oss compatibility |
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| 19:16.32 | MrFrood | alsa & oss do not play well together |
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| 19:16.37 | Black_Prince | not /etc ... but /proc ... |
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| 19:17.18 | project2501a | hey guys, i run debian 6.0 . the daemon is complaining about running in 32-bit mode. the man page is not mentioning anything about being able to make the daemon run in 32-bit or 64bit mode at run time. i googled the warning error, but no banana. i would like to turn the warning off, as we all know 2012 is around the corner and i would not want to give my users advanced warnin^H^^H^H^H^^H^H^H^H^Hworry about their data. can i get a clue, please? |
| 19:17.30 | project2501a | (trying again my ntp question) |
| 19:17.42 | cosmos2 | Black_Prince: cat: /etc/asound/cards: No such file or directory |
| 19:17.49 | quuxman | Do I need to do anything special to get filesystem capabilities working? |
| 19:17.50 | Black_Prince | it is /proc/asound/cards ... sorry |
| 19:17.55 | superlinux | hello guys! hopefully someone is runnung skype now, is it loging-in with you at the moment? cos it's not with me ? |
| 19:17.58 | Black_Prince | quuxman, what capabilities? |
| 19:18.04 | quuxman | I downloaded libcap2-bin, set a capability on a file, but it's not working. cap_setuid |
| 19:18.15 | quuxman | it works fine on another ubuntu system |
| 19:18.19 | project2501a | ... |
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| 19:18.25 | project2501a | fuck ubuntu |
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| 19:18.41 | project2501a | and their implied assumptions |
| 19:18.43 | cosmos2 | Black_Prince: bash: /proc/asound/cards: Permission denied |
| 19:18.48 | cosmos2 | I'm root |
| 19:19.00 | Black_Prince | What the :S |
| 19:19.11 | quuxman | do I need to mount the filesystem with user_xattr? |
| 19:19.21 | shirish | Hi all, doing a 'make menuconfig' for new kernel. I am on 64-bit machine. Can somebody suggest me what simple optimizations I can do while making my kernel. |
| 19:19.42 | MrFrood | shirish: try ##linux |
| 19:19.51 | Black_Prince | quuxman, yes |
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| 19:20.01 | Black_Prince | try mount -o user_xattr,remount / |
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| 19:20.22 | joe6 | playing youtube videos with vlc -- is there a plugin or something that can do this? |
| 19:20.43 | Black_Prince | What's wrong with flash player? |
| 19:20.50 | eptalon | joe6: as in playing the downloaded file, or streaming them? |
| 19:20.52 | abrotman | you can download the video using youtube-dl |
| 19:20.52 | joe6 | no full screen |
| 19:20.57 | project2501a | joe6: vlc has a native plugin for flash. but it only plays local files |
| 19:21.01 | abrotman | eh .. flash has full screen |
| 19:21.03 | abrotman | well .. you tube does |
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| 19:21.39 | joe6 | youtube does, but it crashes the iceweasel browser when i click on it. |
| 19:21.48 | MrFrood | joe6: don't know about vlc but have you checked out minitube? |
| 19:21.57 | abrotman | joe6: are you sure you're using adobe flash ? |
| 19:22.06 | eptalon | question: suppose I mounted an image file (file-system), will this be read-only by default, or is there write/extend support for such? |
| 19:22.06 | Black_Prince | joe6: have you tried gnash ? |
| 19:22.12 | quuxman | Black_Prince: hmm, still no dice. mount confirms I have user_xattr on / |
| 19:22.25 | joe6 | Black_Prince, will check out gnash |
| 19:22.35 | eptalon | Black_Prince: I have made mixed experiences with gnash. |
| 19:22.49 | Black_Prince | I did not like it ... But it could play youtube videos |
| 19:22.59 | joe6 | abrotman, i could not find any package as youtube-dl |
| 19:23.17 | abrotman | judd: versions youtube-dl |
| 19:23.18 | judd | Package youtube-dl on i386 -- sid: 2011.02.25b-1 |
| 19:23.23 | abrotman | hrm .. okay then |
| 19:23.56 | joe6 | abrotman, isn't sid unstable? is it on testing? |
| 19:24.18 | eptalon | joe6: If you dont know what you are up to, sid may be a bad idea. |
| 19:24.39 | MrFrood | joe6: if it's just youtube - minitube is good |
| 19:24.42 | cosmos2 | Is it normal that ALL Debian Packages are NOT authentificated? |
| 19:24.46 | eptalon | joe6: "newest" of everything, but no guarantees as to be. |
| 19:24.47 | joe6 | i am happy with testing, more stable. |
| 19:25.04 | quuxman | is there any other magick I need for setcap to work? |
| 19:25.09 | joe6 | will check out minitube then. |
| 19:25.27 | Black_Prince | quuxman, it seems that libcap security extensions should be compiled in kernel ... |
| 19:25.56 | quuxman | uname -r reports: 2.6.32.16-linode28 (for whatever that's worth) |
| 19:26.23 | Black_Prince | What kernel is that? |
| 19:26.44 | Black_Prince | cat /boot/config-2.6.32.16-linode28 | grep CONFIG_SECURITY_FILE_CAPABILITIES |
| 19:26.45 | cosmos2 | I'm trying to reinstall all |
| 19:26.57 | Black_Prince | cosmos2, have you installed debian-archive-keyring |
| 19:27.01 | quuxman | Black_Prince: ah thanks, was just going to ask how to do that ;) |
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| 19:27.56 | joe6 | minitube says " cannot open media source" |
| 19:28.14 | cosmos2 | Black_Prince yes last version |
| 19:28.29 | Black_Prince | And have you run apt-get update? |
| 19:28.35 | quuxman | Black_Prince: unfortunately they didn't leave a config file around |
| 19:28.36 | Black_Prince | Or aptitude update |
| 19:28.47 | quuxman | Black_Prince: this is a default VM image from linode.com |
| 19:28.51 | cosmos2 | I run it now |
| 19:29.00 | Black_Prince | quuxman, how did you install that kernel anyways? |
| 19:29.07 | quuxman | Black_Prince: through a web interface |
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| 19:29.23 | Black_Prince | Why? It seems a bit old |
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| 19:29.39 | Black_Prince | 2.6.32.35 is now longterm ... And your is 2.6.32.16 |
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| 19:30.04 | quuxman | Black_Prince: they're a tad lazy. It was a lot easier picking "debian" from a dropdown then building my own image |
| 19:30.10 | quuxman | Black_Prince: and so am I |
| 19:30.18 | Black_Prince | *sigh* |
| 19:30.24 | Black_Prince | What system are you using anyways? |
| 19:30.34 | quuxman | hardware-wise? |
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| 19:31.14 | Black_Prince | :O |
| 19:31.45 | eptalon | quuxman: tried "linux-image-(arch)", eg. "linux-image-amd64" yet; those are pre-built, and work fine |
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| 19:32.19 | eptalon | quuxman: on "recent" intel and amd cpus |
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| 19:32.58 | quuxman | eptalon: you mean you have a linode account? |
| 19:33.52 | quuxman | eptalon: or you mena you just tested cap_setuid on your system? |
| 19:34.25 | eptalon | quuxman: I mean I use a "stock" kernel. |
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| 19:35.15 | quuxman | I wonder how I could get the build config |
| 19:36.07 | Black_Prince | Steal it? |
| 19:36.14 | cosmos2 | Ok What I have to do to get sound working? |
| 19:36.16 | Black_Prince | pastebin your 'ls /boot' output |
| 19:36.23 | cosmos2 | To reinstall all debian squeeze? |
| 19:36.29 | cosmos2 | *reinstall |
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| 19:36.38 | pipeline | quuxman: /proc/config.gz ? |
| 19:36.38 | Black_Prince | cosmos2 purge oss, purge and reinstall alsa and isntall alsa oss-compat |
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| 19:40.55 | quuxman | there's my problem: zgrep CONFIG_SECURITY_FILE_CAPABILITIES /proc/config.gz: # CONFIG_SECURITY_FILE_CAPABILITIES is not set |
| 19:40.58 | quuxman | damn |
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| 19:43.57 | cosmos2 | Black_Prince: After the install I get: FATAL: Module snd_seq_oss not found. |
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| 19:44.57 | cosmos2 | Black_Prince: Do I have to add "snd_seq_oss" in /etc/modules? |
| 19:45.01 | Black_Prince | Ir's ok |
| 19:45.04 | Black_Prince | It* |
| 19:45.37 | cosmos2 | Black_Prince: Still no sound |
| 19:45.44 | cosmos2 | Reboot? |
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| 19:45.51 | heberth | hola ! |
| 19:45.52 | Black_Prince | *sigh* |
| 19:45.59 | heberth | tengo una pregunta.. |
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| 19:46.04 | Black_Prince | Do lspci -v and pastebin your "Soundcard" section |
| 19:46.07 | heberth | estaba usando moc como reproductor |
| 19:46.09 | Black_Prince | tell heberth about es |
| 19:46.14 | heberth | en un momento se me fue la energia |
| 19:46.16 | Black_Prince | !tell heberth about es |
| 19:46.28 | heberth | se apago el pc |
| 19:46.33 | heberth | moc estaba funcionando.. |
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| 19:47.15 | heberth | acudo a debian puesto que en debian-es no me dan respuesta |
| 19:47.32 | cosmos2 | Black_Prince: http://pastebin.com/xQ3KbFUZ |
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| 19:48.12 | Black_Prince | It looks like sound module isn't loaded |
| 19:48.26 | Black_Prince | Try 'modprobe snd_intel8x0' |
| 19:48.43 | Black_Prince | without the quotes |
| 19:49.00 | cosmos2 | nothing happends |
| 19:49.09 | cosmos2 | happens |
| 19:49.09 | Black_Prince | That's the way |
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| 19:49.18 | Black_Prince | Now try cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 19:49.50 | cosmos2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.50 | cosmos2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.58 | heberth | lspci |
| 19:49.59 | heberth | http://pastebin.com/jsMwXQiq |
| 19:50.10 | Black_Prince | cosmos2, do you have sound now? |
| 19:50.24 | cosmos2 | Still no sound |
| 19:50.30 | cosmos2 | I reboot |
| 19:50.33 | cosmos2 | to see |
| 19:50.34 | Black_Prince | Try |
| 19:50.43 | cosmos2 | ..to hear |
| 19:51.15 | Wicla | Someone who might enlighten me how /usr/bin/daemon works? Tried `daemon --name mpt-statusd --stop' but it couldn't find the process. I want to kill mpt-statusd and since the init.d-script seems to be able to do it completely I'm wondering how it's supposed to be done. |
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| 19:52.01 | Black_Prince | Wicla 'man daemon' maybe? |
| 19:52.14 | robokop | Wicla: and mostlikely there is some pid file involved |
| 19:52.30 | Arrowmaster | where does /usr/bin/daemon come from? |
| 19:52.42 | Black_Prince | ,file bin/daemon |
| 19:52.45 | judd | bin/daemon in squeeze/i386: daemon: usr/bin/daemon; radare-common: usr/lib/radare/bin/daemon |
| 19:52.46 | Wicla | dunno. It's included in the base install of squeeze |
| 19:53.04 | Arrowmaster | not for me |
| 19:53.15 | joe6 | youtube-dl is awesome, thanks. |
| 19:53.18 | Black_Prince | Not for me either |
| 19:53.21 | robokop | i have start-stop-daemon |
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| 19:53.30 | Black_Prince | start-stop-daemon is part of dpkg package |
| 19:53.42 | Black_Prince | but daemon is not included in base install ... |
| 19:53.46 | Wicla | Hm wierd. Maybe it's just installed if it's required? mpt-statusd seems to require it |
| 19:53.57 | Wicla | which monitors raid status |
| 19:54.04 | Black_Prince | Maybe |
| 19:54.14 | Arrowmaster | right, you only have it because you have mpt-status |
| 19:54.18 | TheRealOne | ello all |
| 19:54.50 | TheRealOne | zleslie? |
| 19:55.05 | Black_Prince | !nl |
| 19:55.07 | dpkg | Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl. |
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| 19:55.27 | zleslie | TheRealOne: Ahem? |
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| 19:55.42 | TheRealOne | remember from yesterday with the dvd issue? |
| 19:55.50 | zleslie | yup |
| 19:55.51 | Black_Prince | *sigh* |
| 19:55.54 | TheRealOne | Black Prince I prefere English |
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| 19:56.00 | TheRealOne | guess wot? |
| 19:56.05 | solifugus | Anyone, I get this warning telling me to run apt-get update to fix it.. only, I get it while running apt-get update... |
| 19:56.05 | zleslie | no |
| 19:56.07 | Black_Prince | Sorry, I didn't see zleslie as nickname :P |
| 19:56.08 | solifugus | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
| 19:56.09 | Wicla | Black_Prince: I've read it and it seemed like the command i wrote should work. Maybe as robokop stated i need to include the pid-file but it seems only to be used by start-stop-daemon: |
| 19:56.13 | Wicla | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.16 | Wicla | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.18 | cosmos2 | Black_Prince: Cool the sound works now! |
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| 19:56.22 | cosmos2 | Thanks! |
| 19:56.28 | Black_Prince | congrats cosmos |
| 19:56.29 | Black_Prince | cosmos2* |
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| 19:56.44 | TheRealOne | well it works... mysteriously now |
| 19:56.46 | Black_Prince | Wicla, I do not know about that script, sorry |
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| 19:56.56 | TheRealOne | thx for yer help btw |
| 19:56.58 | Arrowmaster | that is one strange script |
| 19:57.28 | zleslie | TheRealOne: sure, did you reinstall? |
| 19:57.38 | Wicla | Anyway. Whoever maintaing mpt-statusd init.d should make sure that the daemon process dies aswell, it doesn't atm. mpt-statusd gets defunct and daemon keeps running |
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| 19:57.54 | robokop | Wicla: daemon only transforms programs into daemon, start-stop-daemon is for starting and stopping daemon processes |
| 19:58.03 | Black_Prince | Wicla, fill bug report? |
| 19:58.05 | Arrowmaster | submit a bug report for the package |
| 19:58.05 | TheRealOne | no I didn't reinstall... during boot I saw that sr0 has some issues with the dvd in the drive |
| 19:58.16 | zleslie | Black_Prince: you prefer super stealthy nicks? |
| 19:58.31 | zleslie | TheRealOne: strange, glad it works |
| 19:58.32 | Black_Prince | Well, there's about 1k users here |
| 19:58.55 | Black_Prince | So I did not see yours .. But tought it was some strange word |
| 19:59.14 | Black_Prince | Sometimes my brain just shuts down |
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| 19:59.22 | TheRealOne | me too |
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| 20:01.07 | beware | a security.debian.org ipv6 address, 2001:a78:5:0:216:35ff:fe7f:be4f, is unreachable atm, which can lead to slow apt-get performance for ipv6 enabled users |
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| 20:01.49 | beware | but the general problem (of a host in security.debian.org being unreachable) is not specific to ipv6, and could happen to ipv4 as well |
| 20:02.08 | joe6 | is there a links2 with unicode support? |
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| 20:04.49 | jhutchins_lt | beware: Except http://security.debian.org is working just fine atm. |
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| 20:05.19 | beware | jhutchins_lt: security.debian.org resolved to a whole list of IP addresses. one of them will be first, due to the nature of DNS, and which one varies |
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| 20:05.35 | beware | if the first IP is one that's unreachable, then the http request will take more than a minute to time out and try the next |
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| 20:05.56 | beware | so that it works for you, doesn't mean there's no problem |
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| 20:06.32 | jhutchins_lt | beware: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/security.debian.org |
| 20:06.41 | beware | one can argue that this case is part of the design/plan (one IP is out, things are slow but work), then i rest my case |
| 20:07.11 | cosmos2 | bye |
| 20:07.14 | beware | jhutchins_lt: i told you exactly how this works. yes, the problem is transient (one request will fail, the next will work) |
| 20:07.42 | beware | for any http request made, if you have ipv6 support (noone does, really), there's a chance of 20% ro 50% that it fails, randomly |
| 20:07.50 | jhutchins_lt | beware: I'm thinking the problem is ipv6. Get rid of that and you won't have the problem. |
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| 20:08.15 | beware | jhutchins_lt: the problem is displayed/uncovered if you have ipv6, but that does not mean ipv6 is something to do away with it |
| 20:08.23 | beware | we need ipv6 to continue using internet in the future |
| 20:09.10 | beware | this problem could have happened with ipv4 (a v4 IP being out), but then it would have been spotted faster |
| 20:09.10 | jhutchins_lt | beware: Perhaps. For now, it does nothing useful and causes problems like this. |
| 20:09.20 | beware | then don't use it. i'm willing to use it, and to shout and get things fixed, if they're broken |
| 20:09.20 | Arrowmaster | it does do something useful |
| 20:09.36 | beware | im not disgruntled. i'm trying to be helpful for the community |
| 20:09.46 | jhutchins_lt | beware: The "problem" is inherent to multi-host load distribution. If that weren't enabled and one host was down, the web site would be down. |
| 20:09.50 | Arrowmaster | more people using it the more pressure everybody else has to start using it |
| 20:10.16 | beware | jhutchins_lt: i know. it would be perfect if http client would try another IP after a few seconds, not a minute |
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| 20:10.21 | beware | i do agree with the whole scheme in general |
| 20:10.22 | TheRealOne | i have another issue... I've got a wlan card... during boot it gets connected to my modem... and after login my ip of my wlan has become the ip of the local host |
| 20:10.23 | beware | (multiple IPs) |
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| 20:10.45 | jhutchins_lt | beware: It's what we have, for now at least. |
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| 20:11.27 | jhutchins_lt | Many routers aren't ipv6 capable, and it all goes over ipv4 for now anyway. |
| 20:11.55 | beware | there is an ipv6 backbone. a large number of ISP's have ipv6 support at the core, and peering and transit happens over ipv6 |
| 20:11.56 | superstraw | is it possible to have a user account for ssh, that logs in and the shell automatically runs a program and they see the output but can't interract with the system unless they break the program? |
| 20:12.28 | beware | ipv6 is, as of now, often as fast as ipv4 for a route |
| 20:13.11 | beware | for me, kame.net, from amsterdam, 245 ms for ipv5, 242 ms for ipv6 |
| 20:13.15 | jhutchins_lt | beware: I'm still skeptical. We're going to get to the point where we really need it and we're going to find out it's seriously flawed, and it's going to be REAL hard to come up with a real solution because everybody thinks "oh, ipv6 will solve everything". |
| 20:13.21 | beware | for ipv4* |
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| 20:13.55 | beware | ipv6 needs to be deployed early, and properly, so it will be there when we need it. it is already established to be the solution for the future, for the address exhaustion |
| 20:13.59 | jhutchins_lt | beware: So that looks to me like it's all going over ipv4 and is within normal variation. |
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| 20:14.06 | beware | there's no more debate about *which* standard to go for, at all |
| 20:14.32 | jhutchins_lt | beware: I would say it needs to be deployed early so people will realize they need a different solution. |
| 20:14.33 | Arrowmaster | ipv6 is over 10 years old, i doubt there are undiscovered flaws in it |
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| 20:14.45 | beware | saying that the same times mean it goes over ipv4 is a bad, and probably false, argument |
| 20:14.52 | jhutchins_lt | Were pretty far off-topic here, we could go to ot if you want to continue. |
| 20:14.57 | beware | what you're saying, is more related to the speed of light |
| 20:15.12 | beware | if you go the same path, over the same physical route (fibers), you're going to get the same times |
| 20:15.22 | beware | seeing* |
| 20:15.36 | beware | Arrowmaster: indeed. |
| 20:15.43 | jhutchins_lt | -> #debian-offtopic |
| 20:15.58 | beware | jhutchins_lt: if i trace from ams to kame.net over ipv6, i go over NTT, which i know offers ipv6 transit. |
| 20:16.08 | jhutchins_lt | beware: Please? |
| 20:16.15 | beware | im there. |
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| 20:22.58 | TheRealOne | why would an ip address for wlan change from modem settings to 127.0.0.1? |
| 20:23.37 | Psi-Jack | Bleh. Trying to get clvm stuff working in Debian 5 is such a pain in the arse, especially to try getting it working /without/ cman but instead pacemaker/corosync/openais. Anyone by chance know how to get that working as it should be with openais in Debian 5? I've recompiled the package against Lenny Backported corosync cluster agents, but I just get no connectivity from clvmd to the cluster manager. |
| 20:23.38 | abrotman | it lost contact with the dhcp server? |
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| 20:24.35 | TheRealOne | no... |
| 20:24.42 | TheRealOne | I was trying to install e17... |
| 20:24.55 | TheRealOne | and I found out that apache was installed which I purged |
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| 20:25.47 | TheRealOne | and in my /etc/network/interfaces it has the right config |
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| 21:05.45 | Muty | Hi guys, I've got a problem with apache http server and suexec.. actually it works (scripts are executed with other uid then apache itself), but accessing images with permissions o= (no permissions for others, except read permissions for owner and group) are not delivered (403) |
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| 21:06.14 | Muty | What can cause this kind of error? |
| 21:06.45 | pipeline | Muty: perhaps that is why it's called suexec not suread |
| 21:07.44 | Muty | pipeline: ok, so there is no way for enabling delivery of files except giving o=r permissions to those files? |
| 21:07.52 | jelly-home | Muty: images are handled by apache directly (ie. www-data has to be able to read them) |
| 21:08.33 | Muty | is there a way to tell apache that images or other mine-types should be handled with the different uid too? |
| 21:08.54 | jelly-home | not easily |
| 21:09.23 | babilen | jhutchins: err? |
| 21:09.45 | pipeline | you could minimize the impact of the permissions change by using an ACL to add the www-data group as a valid reader, rather than changing the owner/group of the file or adding o+r |
| 21:10.24 | Muty | pipeline: or I could just add www-data to the group of the customer right? Thats sounds ok for me |
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| 21:10.42 | pipeline | Muty: then the customer can do anything www-data group can do... |
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| 21:10.48 | jhutchins | babilen: Sorry, cat got the keyboard again. |
| 21:11.12 | babilen | hehe, ok |
| 21:11.18 | jelly-home | Muty: that has other issues. If you have g=w anywhere, apache will be able to nuke those files |
| 21:12.14 | Muty | really? I thought that if www-data is added as a member of the group "customer1", then www-data will be able to read, write or execute files that are owned by the group customer1, not the otherway around |
| 21:12.29 | jelly-home | Muty: if the files are accessible publically from the interwebs, is there a reason why you would not let local users be able to read them |
| 21:12.55 | jelly-home | pipeline probably misinterpreted the intention |
| 21:13.19 | Muty | jelly-home: actually not |
| 21:13.41 | jelly-home | so give the usual o+r and problem solved |
| 21:14.12 | jelly-home | (also, o+x on the directories) |
| 21:14.25 | Muty | jelly-home: thank you very much. I didn't think about that. |
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| 21:16.11 | alaki | can you please tell me how to install the oident in debian 64 lenny ? |
| 21:16.41 | jelly-home | alaki: uh... install the package? |
| 21:16.51 | alaki | how? |
| 21:17.02 | alaki | apt-get install oident? |
| 21:17.03 | jelly-home | the usual way. |
| 21:17.11 | ompaul | alaki: does this give you a result? apt-cache policy oidentd |
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| 21:17.21 | jelly-home | alaki: first find out the correct package name: apt-cache search oident |
| 21:17.44 | alaki | libccid - PC/SC driver for USB CCID smart card readers |
| 21:17.45 | alaki | oidentd - replacement ident daemon |
| 21:17.52 | ompaul | alaki: does this give you a result? apt-cache policy oidentd |
| 21:17.55 | alaki | which one should i go for ? |
| 21:18.03 | jelly-home | alaki: the obvious one |
| 21:18.19 | ompaul | alaki: read the screen ... one of them is ident releated don't ya think? |
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| 21:18.45 | ompaul | alaki: aptitude install oidentd <<< might just do it for you |
| 21:18.46 | alaki | ;/ sorry im new in this |
| 21:19.20 | alaki | ompaul what is the diff between apt-get and aptitude ? |
| 21:19.30 | ompaul | alaki: still read the screen, you are asking for something very strange, why oidentd? |
| 21:19.32 | jelly-home | alaki: they're similar. |
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| 21:19.44 | ompaul | alaki: I'm with jelly-home on this one |
| 21:19.50 | jelly-home | alaki: if you really want the details, /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 21:20.01 | alaki | thaks |
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| 21:20.13 | ompaul | and if you want more info do /msg dpkg why apt-get |
| 21:20.17 | ompaul | then use aptitude |
| 21:20.23 | alaki | sure thanks |
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| 21:21.19 | Breetai | I am using the debian multimedia version of mplayer. If I fast forward, rewind, or pause, the video or audio stream stops playing. Is there a fix for this? |
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| 21:23.05 | pipeline | Breetai: increase cache size e.g. -cache 8192 |
| 21:23.06 | jelly-home | Breetai: that's often the way streaming works, esp. when the protocol doesn't really support those (eg. http) |
| 21:23.53 | jelly-home | increasing the cache only allows moving the pointer inside the cache and might not help much |
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| 21:28.29 | Breetai | pipeline: and Jelly-home: Thanks that seems to work, even with local media |
| 21:29.29 | jelly-home | you can put defaults in ~/.mplayer/config |
| 21:29.44 | arcsky | hello i got this problem when i try to start samba http://pastebin.com/dGa8CkKw |
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| 21:30.06 | Breetai | jelly-home: just finised doing it cache_size = "8192" |
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| 21:30.19 | jelly-home | no need for "" |
| 21:31.35 | Breetai | jelly-home: Yeah my gui.conf has EVERYTHING with "", I did not use the quotes on my conf |
| 21:31.42 | Breetai | jelly-home: Thanks for the help |
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| 21:32.04 | jelly-home | yeah, if it doesn't hurt... |
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| 21:50.11 | nsadmin | how to specify essid in interfaces? search of man interfaces show no ref. |
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| 21:50.47 | stockholm | iwconfig has it. look for essid |
| 21:50.54 | stockholm | there is a search function |
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| 21:51.21 | nsadmin | if you had read past the first sentence you would have seen I tried searching. |
| 21:51.30 | nsadmin | however, I'll take a look. |
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| 21:52.18 | scizo | Hello, I am going to attempt getting debian running on an old powerpc G5 powermac, it looks like this is no longer supported in squeeze. Does anyone know if this will be a problem or if there are better options? |
| 21:52.27 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: man wireless; |
| 21:52.51 | nsadmin | dondelelcaro, is "wireless" an executable? |
| 21:52.55 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: no. |
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| 21:53.37 | sgn | dhclient has no time do do it's thing before openssgh-server is loaded, tedious result. hints? |
| 21:54.01 | nsadmin | ohh, its "wireless-essid" |
| 21:54.14 | dondelelcaro | sgn: openssh-server listens on all interfaces by default, so that's not a problem. |
| 21:54.44 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: yerp; it's implemented by wireless-tools, and wireless(7) is where it's documented. |
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| 21:56.03 | sgn | dondelelcaro: doesn't, is configured to listen on specific ip |
| 21:56.19 | sgn | dondelelcaro: which is desired behaviour :) |
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| 21:57.33 | gnugr | sgn: see all commands there: http://shibuvarkala.blogspot.com/2008/12/useful-wireless-connection-commands.html |
| 21:58.22 | ebraminio | hi my apt-get is broked after a simple update: apt-get: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.14' not found (required by apt-get) this is error that my apt-get say. i googled a lot but i can not find out what i must do |
| 21:58.52 | dondelelcaro | sgn: uh... it's nonsensical to have it listen on a desired IP if you're using DHCP. |
| 21:59.18 | dondelelcaro | sgn: if you really wanted to do something like that, use iptables instead. |
| 21:59.23 | sgn | on vanilla squeeze the dhclient reloads samba when it notices changes to the net, is there a similar script for sshd? |
| 21:59.52 | dondelelcaro | sgn: you can do that using a hook if you want, but it's kind of stupid. |
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| 22:06.40 | sgn | can openssh be configured to listen to an interface, rather than an ip? |
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| 22:10.33 | Benkinooby | hi there. this is only 50% debian but i'll give it a try. i want to creat a bootable flash memory to be used in an embedded system. maby webistes say, that i have to copy the mbr to the flash memory and then run syslinux. can i use any mbr.bin? my system is a x86 and my embedded system has an amd geode. or do i need to find a special mbr fitting for my needs. what about syslinx. is syslinux architekture specific? |
| 22:10.37 | stockholm | sgn: hu? |
| 22:11.11 | sgn | nah, doesnt help, sorry :) |
| 22:12.35 | zleslie | Benkinooby: have you tried either? |
| 22:12.49 | zleslie | Benkinooby: I would think that it would be arch specific, but I could be wrong |
| 22:13.01 | sgn | Any way of dealying sshd startup then? |
| 22:13.08 | sgn | I ony need like five seconds :) |
| 22:13.18 | zleslie | sgn: for what? |
| 22:13.59 | sgn | for dhclient to finish |
| 22:14.52 | zleslie | sgn: your saying that ssh doesn't work if it comes up before you have an IP? |
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| 22:16.50 | sgn | zleslie: Yes, as I've set the listenaddress in sshd_conf |
| 22:17.39 | sgn | I'll always get the same IP on that interface (unless I've been offline for seven days), but I need to have it set through DHCP |
| 22:17.50 | sgn | And I don't want sshd to listen elsewhere |
| 22:18.01 | zleslie | sgn: then use a static ip |
| 22:18.48 | sgn | zleslie: Can't. Some weird thing in the modem, traffic won't go through unless address is obtained through dhcp :) |
| 22:19.18 | zleslie | sgn: whats wrong with ssh listening elsewhere? |
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| 22:19.21 | zleslie | iptables ftw |
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| 22:21.03 | sgn | jjust is. could insert a sleep/wait in /etc/init.d/sshd? |
| 22:21.09 | zleslie | sgn: the hack answer is to put something in the ssh initscript, which will break un upgrade |
| 22:21.23 | zleslie | no reason why not, its just hack |
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| 22:21.44 | zleslie | If you like hack solutions all over the place that you forget about, then cool, do it up |
| 22:21.50 | sgn | yes, a better way, however is to make a dhclient hook for sshd. Can't find one on google. though |
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| 22:22.03 | zleslie | sgn: then write on |
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| 22:24.08 | zleslie | sgn: for your hack, you could write a sub to check if you have an ip, wait 5 seconds, check again, repeat 3 times, and exit if fail |
| 22:24.20 | zleslie | then use that sub in the start) of /etc/init.d/ssh |
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| 22:39.18 | cnn | hi people. how do i change my file to this permission rw-r--r-- |
| 22:39.49 | beware | chmod 644 filename |
| 22:39.54 | ranix | man 1 chmod |
| 22:40.32 | cnn | oh, cool thanks beware :) |
| 22:40.52 | ranix | give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day |
| 22:40.55 | beware | cnn: it's even better if you understand why |
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| 22:41.08 | beware | ranix is right |
| 22:41.14 | cnn | 644 is read write permission? |
| 22:41.40 | beware | ok, the flags, as letters, are rwxrwxrwx, which have bits 421 421 421. which are added up |
| 22:41.50 | ranix | you reeeealy should man 1 chmod, and if you haven't learned how to read docs yet (it's an acquired skill I'll admit) google chmod howto |
| 22:41.50 | beware | into 3 digits |
| 22:41.59 | babilen | cnn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permissions#Notation_of_traditional_Unix_permissions |
| 22:42.11 | babilen | cnn: and yes, read the manpage too |
| 22:42.27 | greedo | chmod u+r can also be used |
| 22:42.35 | greedo | etc |
| 22:42.37 | cnn | thanks guys! this help a lot |
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| 22:42.47 | ragnar76 | hi folks |
| 22:43.11 | babilen | hi ragnar76 |
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| 22:45.53 | ragnar76 | i need an advice. is it possible to define some kind of mirror service in /etc/apt/sources.list? i mean, when my main mirror is down or not reachable for some reason, apt takes another one? |
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| 23:02.53 | babilen | skutr34: Ethernet or wifi? |
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| 23:07.04 | babilen | skutr34: Ethernet or wifi? |
| 23:07.10 | lynx_ | Ethernet |
| 23:07.23 | skutr34 | babilen: wifi |
| 23:07.33 | babilen | lynx_: not you :) |
| 23:07.43 | babilen | skutr34: wpa/wep/open ? |
| 23:07.49 | skutr34 | open |
| 23:08.28 | babilen | skutr34: Ok, wonderful. Could you paste the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" in here please? |
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| 23:09.01 | skutr34 | babilen: ok hold on im going to have to type it out cause im on a different comp |
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| 23:09.41 | babilen | skutr34: Ah, in that case just give me the numbers/characters in [] at the end ... something like "ab23:cd45" |
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| 23:11.21 | skutr34 | babilen: the only thing i see related to that is... 168c:002a |
| 23:11.35 | babilen | ,pciid 168c:002a |
| 23:11.37 | judd | [168c:002a] is 'AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath9k' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:002a http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 23:11.51 | babilen | skutr34: The good news don't end :) |
| 23:12.03 | skutr34 | babilen: what? |
| 23:12.22 | skutr34 | does that mean my adapter is supported? |
| 23:12.22 | jhutchins_lt | skutr34: You have native support. |
| 23:12.26 | skutr34 | ok |
| 23:12.28 | skutr34 | :) |
| 23:12.37 | babilen | skutr34: When you type "ifconfig -a" do you see your wireless interface? What about "iwconfig" ? |
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| 23:13.18 | skutr34 | babilen: niether of those commands arefound |
| 23:13.25 | babilen | skutr34: Run them as root |
| 23:13.25 | skutr34 | are found* |
| 23:13.57 | skutr34 | babilen: ok |
| 23:14.17 | babilen | skutr34: You are looking for one like "wlan0" that has wireless extensions defined |
| 23:14.27 | skutr34 | yeah i seeit |
| 23:14.31 | skutr34 | see it* |
| 23:14.46 | skutr34 | sorry having trouble typing |
| 23:15.13 | babilen | What is the name of that interface? |
| 23:16.05 | skutr34 | ummm |
| 23:16.23 | skutr34 | it says BROADCAST MULTICAST |
| 23:16.38 | skutr34 | i dont know what you mean by interface name |
| 23:16.41 | babilen | skutr34: Something like "wlan0" ... "eth0" "eth1" |
| 23:17.02 | skutr34 | it says wlan0 |
| 23:17.08 | babilen | great |
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| 23:17.28 | skutr34 | yay! :) at least i can do something right :) |
| 23:17.59 | babilen | skutr34: Can you see your network when you do: "iwlist wlan0 scan" ? |
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| 23:18.42 | babilen | skutr34: If yes, type "iwconfig wlan0 essid YOURESSID" and replace YOURESSID with the name of your network |
| 23:19.07 | skutr34 | wlan0 interface doesnt support scanning : Network is down |
| 23:19.20 | babilen | skutr34: "ifconfig wlan0 up" |
| 23:19.25 | babilen | sorry :) |
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| 23:19.45 | skutr34 | ok |
| 23:19.50 | skutr34 | now run the scan command again? |
| 23:19.54 | babilen | yes |
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| 23:20.22 | skutr34 | ok i see the network, babilen |
| 23:20.59 | babilen | skutr34: Wonderful, run the second command I gave you (the iwconfig wlan0 essid one) |
| 23:21.35 | skutr34 | babilen: does it have to be all caps? |
| 23:21.43 | babilen | no, exactly the name |
| 23:22.02 | babilen | I just wanted to differentiate the part you have to fill in from the rest |
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| 23:22.54 | skutr34 | babilen: iwconfig: unknown command and then it says my essid |
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| 23:23.46 | babilen | as root? and you get output from "iwconfig" alone? |
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| 23:24.01 | skutr34 | yes and yes |
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| 23:24.06 | babilen | What is the exact command you typed? (without your network name) |
| 23:24.48 | skutr34 | iwconfig wlan0 essid MYESSID |
| 23:25.29 | babilen | if, for example, you network would be called IStoleYourCookies you would execute: iwconfig wlan0 essid "IStoleYourCookies" |
| 23:25.45 | babilen | sorry, forgot the "" ... grmml |
| 23:26.02 | skutr34 | you have to have quotes around the name? |
| 23:26.06 | babilen | yes |
| 23:26.26 | skutr34 | that was why |
| 23:26.33 | babilen | works now? |
| 23:26.48 | skutr34 | no |
| 23:27.02 | babilen | no? What error do you get? |
| 23:27.26 | skutr34 | well like when i go on iceweasel it cant find the server |
| 23:27.32 | skutr34 | at site |
| 23:27.35 | skutr34 | sites* |
| 23:27.39 | babilen | be patient ... but the command did not complain this time? |
| 23:27.40 | themill | one step at a time! |
| 23:27.51 | skutr34 | ok |
| 23:28.00 | skutr34 | no it didnt complain\ |
| 23:28.37 | babilen | If you run "iwconfig wlan0" you should see something like: wlan0 IEEE 802.11abg ESSID:"YOURESSID" |
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| 23:29.01 | gnugr | essid -- "any" |
| 23:29.26 | babilen | gnugr: yeah, that works too, but might associate with the neighbour |
| 23:29.36 | skutr34 | babilen: ok |
| 23:29.40 | skutr34 | ran that command |
| 23:29.47 | babilen | skutr34: do you get output like that? |
| 23:29.58 | skutr34 | babilen: yea |
| 23:30.01 | skutr34 | yeah* |
| 23:30.07 | babilen | ok, run "dhclient wlan0" now |
| 23:30.32 | skutr34 | ok |
| 23:30.38 | babilen | do you get an address? |
| 23:31.00 | skutr34 | no i hit enter and went down a line and its just a white line |
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| 23:31.30 | babilen | hmm ... |
| 23:31.49 | babilen | white line? |
| 23:32.05 | skutr34 | yeah |
| 23:32.06 | themill | dhclient in squeeze isn't verbose by default |
| 23:32.12 | skutr34 | like |
| 23:32.16 | babilen | skutr34: ok |
| 23:32.27 | babilen | skutr34: run "ping google.com" -- do you get replies? |
| 23:32.34 | gnugr | ethtool wlan0? |
| 23:32.46 | babilen | themill: ta |
| 23:32.46 | gnugr | works? |
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| 23:33.06 | themill | babilen: yeah, that was another late change in the release cycle :) |
| 23:33.30 | skutr34 | babilen: ping: unknown host google.copm |
| 23:33.32 | skutr34 | com* |
| 23:33.45 | babilen | skutr34: ping 8.8.8.8 |
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| 23:33.45 | babilen | ? |
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| 23:34.12 | skutr34 | babilen: connect: network is unreachable |
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| 23:34.57 | hamid_rostami | after install aptitude with apt-get install aptitude, apt-get stop working and give me this error: apt-get: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.14' not found (required by apt-get) |
| 23:35.05 | babilen | skutr34: How do you configure your wifi normally? Does it "just work" or do you have to enter addresses? |
| 23:35.40 | babilen | skutr34: i'll be back in a second |
| 23:35.41 | skutr34 | babilen: well on ubuntu there is a GUI tool] |
| 23:35.50 | skutr34 | same with windows |
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| 23:36.14 | zeeb | hi.. chanel "español debian"? |
| 23:36.23 | zeeb | channel* |
| 23:36.29 | zeeb | jeje |
| 23:36.37 | jm | #debian-es |
| 23:36.40 | hamid_rostami | this is output of strings in libstdc++.so.6: http://paste.debian.net/112485/ |
| 23:36.41 | zeeb | ok |
| 23:36.53 | zeeb | tanks |
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| 23:37.20 | hamid_rostami | not exsits GLIBCXX_3.4.13.14, required by apt-get |
| 23:37.37 | skutr34 | wish i could get internet lol |
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| 23:38.01 | skutr34 | did i install wrong or something |
| 23:38.28 | babilen | skutr34: You could have installed the "Desktop" task during the installation and you would have Gnome + network-manager |
| 23:38.37 | rofl0r | skutr34, what's the machine you're chatting on currently ? |
| 23:38.40 | babilen | skutr34: But apart from that, we can get it working ... |
| 23:39.07 | skutr34 | babilen: well liek i dont see a software manager or anything |
| 23:39.18 | ChibaPet | Hey, I'm curious. I did a fresh install of Squeeze on my laptop, and then upgraded to Sid. Evidently I need non-free firmware for my wireless card. I found the firmware package and installed it, but no luck. I was able to use my wireless card previously. How am I supposed to invoke the firmware? |
| 23:39.28 | skutr34 | and the machine im on now is a desktop running windows xp |
| 23:39.41 | skutr34 | which is the best windows version |
| 23:39.44 | skutr34 | :P |
| 23:39.56 | rofl0r | you could type ipconfig /all in command line |
| 23:40.02 | rofl0r | and look what ip you have assigned |
| 23:40.06 | babilen | skutr34: If you run "iwconfig wlan0" do you get something like "not associated" in there or is the field behind "Access Point:" filled with 12:34:56:ab:cd:ef ? |
| 23:40.16 | somnus | skutr34: win2k is very good too :) |
| 23:40.23 | skutr34 | babilen: hold on |
| 23:40.35 | ChibaPet | Not associated. |
| 23:40.39 | MrFrood | skutr34: this is off-topic but the best version was 3.1 ;) |
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| 23:40.54 | skutr34 | haha |
| 23:41.12 | skutr34 | babilen: it has the characters after access point |
| 23:41.28 | ChibaPet | Argh, trackpad is giving me trouble too. I think I should reinstall something less exciting. |
| 23:41.28 | djura-san | time to go. Good night people o/ |
| 23:41.36 | ChibaPet | Fly safe. :P |
| 23:42.09 | hamid_rostami | My mistake was added sid repository in sources.list, how can i fix libstdc++ problem, or downgrade tu lenny version of apt-get ? |
| 23:42.13 | babilen | ok, run "killall dhclient ; dhclient -v wlan0" and tell me something about the output |
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| 23:42.27 | skutr34 | ok |
| 23:43.24 | skutr34 | babilen: anything specific on the output? |
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| 23:43.51 | skutr34 | that you were looking for? |
| 23:44.04 | babilen | skutr34: Does it timeout with a message like "No persistent leases in database, sleeping" or so? Or is it reporting that it got an address? |
| 23:44.32 | skutr34 | babilen: oh here we go.... no dhcpoffers recieved |
| 23:44.36 | ChibaPet | I think I should go back to Fedora or something. It works, and Red Hat contributes hugely to the free software world. |
| 23:44.44 | ChibaPet | So, no moral qualms. |
| 23:44.55 | skutr34 | babilen: then what you said |
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| 23:45.08 | babilen | skutr34: Ok, that means that your router is not handing out an address. Could you check your router's configuration if DHCP is enabled? |
| 23:45.29 | skutr34 | well how am i connected on this machine? |
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| 23:45.53 | babilen | skutr34: You should be able to connect your router from the windows machine, or not? |
| 23:45.57 | ChibaPet | I bet Ubuntu just works out of the box. Trying that. :P Later. |
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| 23:46.36 | skutr34 | babilen: i should |
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| 23:46.59 | babilen | skutr34: Try 192.168.0.1 in your browser |
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| 23:48.20 | skutr34 | babilen: iceweasel cant establish a connection to the server.... |
| 23:48.23 | babilen | skutr34: But lets try another thing first: "ifconfig wlan0 down ; iwconfig wlan0 essid YOURESSID ; dhclient -v wlan0" |
| 23:48.31 | babilen | skutr34: ok, that was a shot in the dark :) |
| 23:48.41 | babilen | skutr34: Ah, missed a command |
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| 23:49.03 | rofl0r | he could just paste ipconfig's output. then you got all info including routers ip. |
| 23:49.08 | babilen | skutr34: make that: "ifconfig wlan0 down ; iwconfig wlan0 essid YOURESSID ; ifconfig wlan0 up ; sleep 5 ; dhclient -v wlan0" |
| 23:49.19 | skutr34 | ok |
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| 23:49.42 | babilen | rofl0r: Could you run "ipconfig /all" on the windows box and paste that to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 23:50.04 | rofl0r | sure, but not on his |
| 23:50.54 | Chelsea | Hi all, how do I install python 3.1 in Debian 5 stable? (just for ranger) |
| 23:51.09 | babilen | ,versions python3 |
| 23:51.11 | judd | Package python3 on i386 -- squeeze: 3.1.3-12; wheezy: 3.1.3-12; sid: 3.1.3-13; experimental: 3.2-1 |
| 23:51.18 | skutr34 | ok thats runing |
| 23:51.24 | skutr34 | running |
| 23:51.26 | babilen | Chelsea: The best idea would be to upgrade to squeeze. Is that an option? |
| 23:51.32 | babilen | skutr34: running? |
| 23:51.52 | skutr34 | ok commands done |
| 23:52.13 | babilen | skutr34: Still no dhcp offer? |
| 23:52.25 | homie | wait |
| 23:52.38 | skutr34 | babilen: it got the dhcpoffer |
| 23:52.44 | babilen | skutr34: wonderful |
| 23:52.48 | babilen | skutr34: ping google.com |
| 23:53.04 | skutr34 | worked |
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| 23:53.24 | babilen | skutr34: great. you are now officially online ;) |
| 23:53.51 | babilen | skutr34: Do you have to join different networks or will you only use this particular one? |
| 23:54.05 | gnugr | pokes babilen |
| 23:54.09 | skutr34 | babilen: now will apt-get install network-tools install GUI network management? |
| 23:54.11 | babilen | gnugr: hmm? |
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| 23:54.52 | babilen | skutr34: Do you really *need* a GUI? Do you join different networks? Is it a laptop or a desktop box? |
| 23:55.01 | skutr34 | laptop |
| 23:55.05 | skutr34 | yes i need thekm |
| 23:55.12 | Chelsea | babilen, no, that would require reboot. |
| 23:55.20 | babilen | Chelsea: so? |
| 23:55.36 | Chelsea | babilen, don't have that possibility. |
| 23:55.45 | babilen | skutr34: Ok, you have different options. And yes, you can now install packages with aptitude / apt-get |
| 23:55.51 | babilen | Chelsea: How come? |
| 23:56.56 | babilen | Chelsea: You should upgrade soon. Ok in that case I would recommend to compile python locally and install it into /usr/local. stow manages installations in /usr/local and I would recommend to use that. -- /msg dpkg stow -- /msg dpkg stow usage |
| 23:57.14 | Chelsea | babilen, long story ;). Suffice to say I can't afford to reboot. I just need it (python) for just one (small) program. |
| 23:57.14 | dak221 | i am having problems with usermod, "usermod --expiredate 1970-01-01 test1" sets the expire to 0 days past 1970 in /etc/shadow ,however the account can still login.. |
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| 23:57.57 | Chelsea | babilen, is it possible to have just python upgraded to squeeze? |
| 23:58.06 | abrotman | dak221: why not just 'passwd -l' ? |
| 23:58.31 | dak221 | abrotman: the man page for passwd says that locking will not defend against ssh key authentication, only passwd auth |
| 23:58.40 | dak221 | and to use expire also |
| 23:58.42 | babilen | Chelsea: I would recommend to install it locally and use virtualenvs for the rest |
| 23:58.44 | rdz | hi all. since the upgrade to squeeze, php is not executed anymore, but the php file is delivered, although the module php5 is enabled |
| 23:58.48 | abrotman | dak221: ah, yes, true |
| 23:58.51 | rdz | why could this be? |
| 23:59.07 | babilen | Chelsea: You might have some success in installing squeeze's package or (better) backporting it -- /msg dpkg ssb |
| 23:59.09 | roe | is there a way to find out what version of dovecot was in etch? |
| 23:59.15 | abrotman | dak221: why not just set it to yesterday? |
| 23:59.24 | abrotman | roe: yes .. archive.debian.org |
| 23:59.42 | roe | thanks |
| 23:59.59 | babilen | Chelsea: And apart from that: You should plan for the upgrade to squeeze :) |
