| 00:00.04 | Chelsea | babilen, backporting, that's just adding a repo right? |
| 00:00.13 | babilen | !tell Chelsea -about ssb |
| 00:00.15 | babilen | !tell Chelsea -about stow |
| 00:00.17 | babilen | !tell Chelsea -about stow usage |
| 00:00.24 | Chelsea | babilen, hehe... I guess I really should |
| 00:00.30 | babilen | Chelsea: You can message our bot with "/msg dpkg ssb" |
| 00:00.35 | dak221 | abrotman: thanks, setting it to the start of 1971, 2000, or 2011 worked fine and displays a locked message |
| 00:01.35 | Chelsea | babilen, thanks! |
| 00:01.55 | abrotman | dak221: if i had to hazard a guess .. 0 means disabled .. meaning, the expiratoin is disabled |
| 00:02.05 | babilen | Chelsea: Good luck |
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| 00:02.58 | nopf | dak221: btw, the man page at -L has 'you should also set the EXPIRE_DATE to 1.' here on a ubuntu... debian is in the other room, so i cannot check :) |
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| 00:03.31 | dak221 | nopf: debian does not have capital -L , and '1' does not work. but the locking works fine |
| 00:03.34 | ooxi | hi how can i tell gzip not to ask whether to override a file but just override it? |
| 00:03.39 | ooxi | --force is for something different |
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| 00:04.09 | skutr34 | hey babilen, are there multiple install discs? |
| 00:04.13 | dak221 | nopf: although it does not go past 2038 so i'm not sure how to revert it back to an everlasting account |
| 00:04.46 | babilen | skutr34: There are a variety of different images, yes |
| 00:04.49 | dak221 | nopf: i mean, the --expiredate does not go past 2038, it says invalid date |
| 00:05.02 | nopf | dak221: hm. have to *tried* 0? |
| 00:05.14 | nopf | s/to/you |
| 00:05.51 | babilen | skutr34: You should read http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse now, btw |
| 00:06.05 | dak221 | nopf: 0 enables the account, but i'm not sure if it will be disabled tomorrow, should 0 disable the expiry? |
| 00:06.21 | nopf | dak221: hm, and *my* debian *has* -L and the hint for 1 in the manpages, now that i looked! |
| 00:06.26 | babilen | skutr34: I would personally recommend wicd, but you are probably more used to wicd |
| 00:06.26 | skutr34 | babilen: cause during the install it asked for a media change and i said no |
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| 00:06.44 | babilen | skutr34: That is OK, did you install from CD1 or DVD1 ? |
| 00:06.50 | skutr34 | cd1 |
| 00:07.02 | babilen | skutr34: You are probably more used to network-manager that is |
| 00:07.16 | skutr34 | babilen: i just tried to run apt-get update and it asked for a media change |
| 00:07.36 | babilen | skutr34: Yeah, there are many CDs which in their entirety contain *all* packages in Debian. But you can easily download them from the internet, not that you are online. |
| 00:07.51 | babilen | !tell skutr34 -about squeeze sources.list |
| 00:08.38 | skutr34 | babilen: well idk what to do |
| 00:09.10 | babilen | skutr34: Edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the entry for the CD in there and put the lines dpkg told you about in there. It is probably also possible to edit it from within "Synaptic" (the GUI package manager) -- run "aptitude update" after your edit |
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| 00:09.38 | babilen | skutr34: I am tired now and will leave soon, others in here can take it from here and talk you through this step |
| 00:09.45 | babilen | skutr34: good luck |
| 00:09.50 | skutr34 | babilen: thats what im saying i dont have synaptic |
| 00:09.52 | malina | heya... I am looking for a server to set up for my small business in august and am contemplating a few alternatives.. debian squeeze being a newly released stable, makes me think I will mos tlikely go for this. I am however a total donk in server side administration :) so .. pardon my silly questions beforehand. if I wish to set up ldap for debian squeeze , and have workstations (various flavours I guess) join up to it and log in via ldap, is there a d |
| 00:09.52 | malina | ifference between the jargon 'consumer server' and ldap client? |
| 00:10.36 | babilen | skutr34: "nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list" and edit it by hand. remove the lines for the CDs and ... (see above) |
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| 00:11.59 | malina | if you're tired I can perhaps help him if it's just to get some sources running or so babilen |
| 00:12.22 | malina | babilen kinda sounds like half an ambulance |
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| 00:12.57 | malina | I mean the nick lol :) |
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| 00:13.38 | malina | 1064 people and no one has any input on that question? :) |
| 00:13.52 | joobie | guys is there a version of debian that would fit in under 256MB? |
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| 00:14.21 | malina | you mean if you alter it or just straight from a download image? |
| 00:14.35 | abrotman | joobie: the installer? or the installed image? |
| 00:14.36 | malina | if you alter it yourself, then I think so yes.. |
| 00:14.45 | abrotman | !emdebian |
| 00:14.46 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
| 00:15.17 | joobie | abrotman, the installed image |
| 00:15.20 | malina | hmm, abrotman, maybe you can asnwer me form above...I wonder if the terms 'consumer server' and 'client' are the same under ldap? |
| 00:15.45 | abrotman | malina: FIIK .. never heard the former |
| 00:15.49 | malina | as I am perusing some documents and the 'client' says info is trasnferred non -encrypted but on a consumer |
| 00:16.02 | malina | ye , it is on squeeze, the hmm ldap seems ot have changed |
| 00:16.18 | gnugr | !ldap |
| 00:16.18 | dpkg | Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (LDAP) is a client/server protocol for accessing a directory service. Ask me about <openldap>. http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Ldap #ldap on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:16.21 | malina | and also the "terms" although from some links there might be more than just terming which has changed.. and I don't know |
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| 00:16.36 | malina | ah there is a ldap channel.. that's probably best.. thank you |
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| 00:21.30 | joobie | abrotman, any idea? |
| 00:21.45 | abrotman | emdebian |
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| 00:22.35 | malina | blah, no asnwers in ldap either |
| 00:22.41 | malina | adn they are the ones renaming these tihgns grrr |
| 00:23.33 | malina | ok, another question : if I follow the 'the perfect server' guide.. which seems to be more related to a web based server/isp layout.. is it a good guide to use for setting up an ldap(domain controller) intranet/office network? |
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| 00:23.47 | malina | as in , obvious,ly then also setitng up ldap and all that |
| 00:23.51 | malina | on top of that guide |
| 00:23.59 | abrotman | did you google "ldap samba active directory" ? |
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| 00:24.20 | malina | well not that exatc terms but I have a bunch of articles and guides open yes abrotman |
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| 00:24.58 | malina | which is why I wanted to ask to be more sure with this new term if they are equivalent or not, as in some places it seems they are not (client vs conssumer server and what they do or rather how they function to the provider server aka main server) |
| 00:25.12 | malina | but I will put that exact keyword string into google right now |
| 00:25.19 | lynx_ | How do I get linux to recognize this? Is it a kernel option? |
| 00:25.21 | lynx_ | My DSL router has a CAT-5 out to the modem, but USB in cable |
| 00:25.24 | lynx_ | Hello? |
| 00:25.37 | lynx_ | I SAID HELLO |
| 00:26.14 | malina | thank abrotman , it gave me several new good pages indeed I had missed |
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| 00:26.54 | doublehp | when i "aptitude remove stuff", does it remove useless deps ? |
| 00:27.07 | malina | the thing is, some of the packages in squeeze has made ldap configuration seemingly change a bit from the past.. so that's all.. since I'm already a bonehead when it comes to server management, I thought best to come here in hope of some advice or someone who has encountered differences worth mentioning :) |
| 00:27.52 | malina | you said it all within one minute lynx.. jesus.. wait 2 years till you're 18.. then have a cup of coffee.. then ask more relaxed ;p |
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| 00:31.03 | malina | doublehp, you can do purge I think to make sure deps are removed too and also cached files |
| 00:31.06 | malina | I *think* |
| 00:31.25 | malina | with remove cached downloaded files might remain and/or config files.. not sure about dependencies right now :$ |
| 00:31.35 | doublehp | already removed cache |
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| 00:32.49 | lynx_ | everyone's a noob |
| 00:33.39 | gnugr | lynx_: ask your question |
| 00:33.52 | doublehp | get's ready for KB |
| 00:34.54 | malina | if yo uwish to remove as much as possible use purge |
| 00:35.09 | malina | I do think dependencies which are unused will be removed |
| 00:35.17 | malina | do man aptitude? |
| 00:36.03 | doublehp | purge is fine thx |
| 00:36.05 | malina | I haven't been on debian a good while... just back now, for a server.. and possibly to play around with debian testing... I am looking around for a nice rolling release distro and I just can't 'find myself' in any :/ |
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| 00:38.11 | gnugr | malina: my squeeze is also server with mysql-server and phpmyadmin and works fine |
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| 00:39.16 | malina | yes, but I want to do more with it than just web services.. I am setting up a business in august and want it to run as an intranet server with more responsiblities , something a la SBS in other words |
| 00:39.20 | malina | that was to gnugr |
| 00:40.29 | malina | getting the lamp up and runnins fine, but ye.. intranet pages, LDAP, kerberos, samba , |
| 00:41.07 | gnugr | you meant lampp? |
| 00:41.21 | malina | I been off debian a loooonggggggg time, so I wish to follow 'the perfect server' guide I guess.. perhaps with the 'extended guide' remove what I don't need form that, and add on kerberos, ldap samba.. and wondering if that is a security riskl or if that should be a resonable approach |
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| 00:41.38 | malina | no, lamp will be running most likely on another machine |
| 00:41.52 | malina | although I am not sure yet how I will do intranet/internet |
| 00:42.01 | doublehp | malina: the only perfect server is LFS ^^ |
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| 00:42.02 | malina | but for now I am more focusing on setting up the intranet issues |
| 00:42.17 | malina | hehe doublehp, had I had the time ... :) |
| 00:42.43 | malina | II pld around with LFS but I will trust and give credit to debian about ellenty billion times my abilities to keep something secure :p |
| 00:42.45 | gnugr | lampp is not enough for me |
| 00:42.59 | malina | sigh |
| 00:43.20 | gnugr | mysql-server is best |
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| 00:44.09 | gnugr | apache2 is default with squeeze |
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| 00:46.31 | holzu | ,pciid 10ec:8171 |
| 00:46.32 | judd | [10ec:8171] is 'RTL8191SEvA Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8171 |
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| 00:49.19 | niftylettuce | eth0 not working on debian squeeze |
| 00:49.31 | niftylettuce | i read networkmanager issue -- anyone know of postinst fix or quickfix? |
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| 00:51.47 | gnugr | niftylettuce: why is not working? |
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| 00:53.05 | niftylettuce | gnugr: I plug in ethernet, light goes green, eth0 not showing as a possible connection (e.g. Auth eth0 not automatically starting) |
| 00:53.07 | gnugr | niftylettuce: try " ifconfig eth0" |
| 00:53.36 | niftylettuce | gnugr: ifconfig command not found |
| 00:54.03 | gnugr | niftylettuce: are you as root? |
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| 00:55.00 | niftylettuce | gnugr: here is output http://paste.debian.net/112490/ |
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| 00:56.42 | gnugr | niftylettuce: try " dhclient eth0 ' |
| 00:56.52 | niftylettuce | gnugr: says 'device not managed' faded out when i go to connect to it |
| 00:57.13 | niftylettuce | gnugr: i tried that, no output from 'dhclient eth0' |
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| 00:59.17 | gnugr | niftylettuce: give it first: " ifdown eth0" then " ifup eth0 " |
| 00:59.33 | niftylettuce | gnugr: give what? |
| 00:59.56 | niftylettuce | gnugr: (e.g. enter '$ ifdown eth0' and then '$ ifup eth0' then 'dhclient eth0' ? |
| 01:00.53 | ranix | do you get no output because you are sshed into your machine and broke the network connection |
| 01:01.10 | gnugr | niftylettuce: what did you get from "dhclient eth0"? |
| 01:01.41 | niftylettuce | gnugr: no output |
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| 01:01.50 | niftylettuce | gnugr: this is my local computer |
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| 01:01.55 | niftylettuce | ranix: im working locally |
| 01:02.14 | niftylettuce | gnugr: i think i need to follow this tutorial http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager#NetworkManagerinSqueeze |
| 01:02.17 | niftylettuce | gnugr: what say you |
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| 01:03.01 | malina | <malina> hmm I set up my hostname in squeeze as say server.mycompany.com |
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| 01:03.01 | malina | <malina> now samba server is asking for workgroup/domain and WORKGROUP is default.. do i do any / workgroup or do I specify mycompany.com? |
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| 01:03.01 | gnugr | hold on |
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| 01:03.19 | niftylettuce | gnugr: I got it, followed that tut to set 'managed=true' |
| 01:03.21 | niftylettuce | ranix: got it, ty |
| 01:04.12 | ranix | cool |
| 01:04.22 | ranix | network manager sucks |
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| 01:07.20 | gnugr | ranix: ? |
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| 01:14.34 | ranix | gnugr: don't pick a person to ask, ask the whole channel |
| 01:15.06 | ranix | people don't answer questions they don't know the answers to, or if they are busy, or sometimes if the questions are boring |
| 01:15.16 | ranix | but someone else might |
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| 01:16.22 | gnugr | ranix: did you see my prv? |
| 01:17.10 | jc | are the any HAM's out there? |
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| 01:18.31 | ranix | !ham |
| 01:18.31 | dpkg | i heard ham is oink oink, or if you mean the Debian distribution code name, ask me about <hamm>. |
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| 01:19.57 | jc | LOL |
| 01:20.23 | jc | ranix: i meant HAM's aka radio amaterurs |
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| 01:27.21 | malina | LOL |
| 01:27.22 | malina | !ham |
| 01:27.22 | dpkg | well, ham is oink oink, or if you mean the Debian distribution code name, ask me about <hamm>. |
| 01:27.25 | malina | !steak |
| 01:27.27 | malina | pfff |
| 01:27.32 | malina | owned |
| 01:28.00 | jmarsden | jc: There are plenty of ham radio operators around... myself included. I am N6JU. |
| 01:28.35 | malina | jmarsden: I had an interesting experience once in Norway |
| 01:28.43 | malina | I had a erm internal radio thingy we used in a car |
| 01:28.43 | dbbolton | it was named after mia hamm |
| 01:28.52 | jmarsden | malina: Is your experience Debian-related? |
| 01:28.57 | jc | jmarsden: :) |
| 01:28.57 | malina | and one of those US spy planes with the big dishes were lfyin gover my city.. and I coul dhear on my ratdio |
| 01:28.59 | malina | nah, nvm |
| 01:29.14 | malina | dont get answers anyway :x |
| 01:29.18 | malina | ;p |
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| 01:29.42 | ranix | that was strange |
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| 01:30.30 | jc | jmarsden: do you use any linux software on you ham activities? |
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| 01:30.38 | jc | by the way, i'm ct2ixu |
| 01:30.50 | doublehp | system crash during a very large aptitude purge stuff : http://pastebin.com/GTwC4GFE i don't want to install mpd; how do i continue the purge that was left non compleeted ? |
| 01:31.26 | jmarsden | jc: I have played at packaging usbsoftrock and some other DSP related things, and recently patched trustedqsl ... so yes :) |
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| 01:31.49 | jmarsden | jc: The only PC anywhere near my ham rig runs Linux ... :) |
| 01:31.57 | jc | doublehp: you have the answer: dpkg --configure -a |
| 01:32.07 | doublehp | jc: most video consoles, internet modems, and car, and TVs, and now even FM receivers do ship Linux inside . Cars sued to have QNX, but they are moving to alternatives. |
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| 01:32.30 | doublehp | jc: as said where you readed this, it did not fix the issue |
| 01:32.39 | jc | jmarsden: have you tryed to use packet radio? aax.25, etc? |
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| 01:33.16 | jmarsden | jc: Not since about 1990 or so ... so not under Linux :) |
| 01:33.36 | jmarsden | Maybe 1992... but still... Linux was pretty young then :) |
| 01:33.45 | doublehp | not born yet ^^ |
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| 01:33.58 | dvs | a fetus |
| 01:34.07 | doublehp | wasn't it summuer 94 ? |
| 01:34.14 | slidesinger | I'm installing postfix and am a little confused about the prompts in the install script. I will be using gmail as a smarthost, and will be setting up getmail later, so that is option 2, internet with smarthost. |
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| 01:34.30 | slidesinger | I'm fairly certain that system mailname==hostname and, in fact, this is what the script populates into that field. Where I am uncertain is the SMTP relay host, which I think should be smtp.gmail.com as that is the goal, but the value in /etc/postfix/transport is * smtp:[smtp.gmail.com]:587 |
| 01:34.45 | slidesinger | This is supposed to be a fall-through address and I am fairly certain that smtp.gmail.com will not work without the port number. My one concern here is that I put the wrong value and break what I am trying to do, does it make sense to put smtp.gmail.com there? Should I just leave the default (hostname) there? |
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| 01:35.38 | jc | jmarsden: i was hoping to find someone that could point out some nice working programs |
| 01:35.50 | jmarsden | doublehp: I ran Linux in late 1992, Linus' first post about Linux was in 1991 I think. But this is off topic since that was not Debian :) |
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| 01:36.06 | jc | slidesinger: i think that the install prompts are not enough |
| 01:36.17 | doublehp | jc: again and again, the box is broken: i did not crash the debian box, but the ssh client; this, this broke aptitude, and now, i can't install anything |
| 01:36.30 | slidesinger | I am using http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Postfix_configured_with_Gmail_SMTP as a guide. |
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| 01:37.04 | doublehp | E: I wasn't able to locate file for the libxext6 package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
| 01:37.05 | doublehp | E: Internal error: couldn't generate list of packages to download |
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| 01:37.27 | slidesinger | I just haven't gotten beyond the install prompts. Does it matter what I put there as values? |
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| 01:38.58 | jmarsden | jc: It all depends on your definition of nice... maybe some of the info at http://wiki.complete.org/LinuxPacketRadio would help. |
| 01:39.26 | slidesinger | doublehp: Can you still get into the box? |
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| 01:40.12 | doublehp | slidesinger: yes: a client crash could hardly break a server ^^ still, cession crash during aptitude execution broke compleetely the manager |
| 01:41.25 | slidesinger | So, command line and not gui? |
| 01:41.37 | jc | doublehp: in the future use screen or byobu |
| 01:41.41 | doublehp | so, got logged in, but can't aptitude anything |
| 01:41.42 | jc | sessions |
| 01:41.58 | jc | doublehp: dpkg-reconfigure -a |
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| 01:42.03 | jc | --all |
| 01:42.11 | slidesinger | I don't know aptitude, but I would try apt-get -f install or dpkg-reconfigure -a |
| 01:42.37 | doublehp | jc: in the future, my workstation is not expected to get a kernel panic when I boot on the known to be safe kernel, in safe mode, with two UPS and not starting any application known to make the box crash ... |
| 01:42.38 | abrotman | uhm |
| 01:42.45 | abrotman | you mean dpkg --configure -a ? |
| 01:42.50 | slidesinger | And I would install screen asap |
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| 01:43.01 | slidesinger | abrotman: yes, that's what I mean. |
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| 01:43.12 | doublehp | i shall not use screen in LAN when I have pro UPS |
| 01:43.35 | jc | jmarsden: i guess you're right... i don't even know what i can do |
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| 01:44.58 | abrotman | doublehp: put the whole error in a pastebin |
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| 01:46.15 | doublehp | http://pastebin.com/fLczcJUL - i don't intend to install bash, but, bash update can not harm; and this ought to work. dpkg-reconfigure -a in rails, and doing things ... |
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| 01:47.03 | slidesinger | doublehp: dpkg --configure -a |
| 01:47.12 | abrotman | why? |
| 01:47.53 | doublehp | http://pastebin.com/VHsQpaGa |
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| 01:49.29 | abrotman | doublehp: dpkg -r --force-reinst-req libxext6 ? |
| 01:50.20 | doublehp | i said dpkg-reconfigure -a on rails ... can not do anything else, except if you tell me I can break it |
| 01:50.33 | ranix | define this "on rails" |
| 01:50.39 | doublehp | runnin |
| 01:50.47 | doublehp | running |
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| 01:52.07 | doublehp | can i stop it safely ? |
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| 01:53.14 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure -a is the *wrong* command |
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| 01:53.56 | doublehp | was said to do so, did so. |
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| 01:54.15 | doublehp | http://pastebin.com/sb5s8RWq |
| 01:54.56 | abrotman | sorry |
| 01:54.59 | doublehp | http://pastebin.com/QppMwF1K |
| 01:55.09 | abrotman | the command is "dpkg -r --force-reinst-required libxext6" |
| 01:55.15 | doublehp | waiting peaces of advice ... |
| 01:55.25 | doublehp | same answer |
| 01:56.40 | doublehp | abrotman: same output: unknown force/refuse option `reinst-required' (does not worth a pastebin) |
| 01:56.40 | abrotman | paste |
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| 01:56.51 | abrotman | on Debian ? |
| 01:56.59 | doublehp | REALLY want a paste ? |
| 01:57.07 | abrotman | i'm having a hard day |
| 01:57.22 | abrotman | the command is "dpkg -r --force-remove-reinstreq libxext6" |
| 01:57.23 | dvs | !hug abrotman |
| 01:57.23 | dpkg | wraps its shiny metal lovin' arms around abrotman |
| 01:57.24 | ranix | are you SURE you want to help me? |
| 01:57.33 | ranix | abrotman: are you SURE? |
| 01:57.41 | abrotman | third time's the charm ? |
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| 01:58.09 | doublehp | http://pastebin.com/aCH6MixD |
| 01:58.22 | doublehp | nope :) |
| 01:58.34 | abrotman | bleh ... |
| 01:58.36 | doublehp | gives abrotman some beer |
| 01:58.52 | doublehp | all this stuff is to be removed |
| 01:59.05 | doublehp | or reinstalled , i don't care, as long as i can remove them later on ^^ |
| 01:59.12 | abrotman | doublehp: can you aptitude update ? |
| 01:59.17 | abrotman | judd: versions libxext6 |
| 01:59.20 | judd | Package libxext6 on i386 -- lenny: 2:1.0.4-2; squeeze: 2:1.1.2-1; sid: 2:1.2.0-2; wheezy: 2:1.2.0-2 |
| 01:59.32 | abrotman | doublehp: and then try 'aptitude reinstall libxext6' ? |
| 01:59.32 | doublehp | abrotman: I would prefer to not do it ... |
| 01:59.39 | abrotman | you should |
| 01:59.47 | doublehp | i d prefer a direct purge of all this ... |
| 02:00.12 | doublehp | do i really need to update before purge ? |
| 02:00.21 | Aenigma | hi, is there a way in which I could log the exceptions of a java program to a file? Exceptions seem to be outputed to stdout. |
| 02:00.50 | doublehp | Aenigma: command >/tmp/logfile 2>&1 |
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| 02:00.59 | jmarsden | Aenigma: ./your-java-program |tee somefile.txt |
| 02:01.41 | doublehp | tee will duplicate log to locale console; mix is: command 2>&1 | tee /tmp/logfile |
| 02:01.55 | Aenigma | jmarsden doublehp the problem is that normal output and exceptions both go to stdout. I was wondering if java had a param to separate or do I have to use regexp or something |
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| 02:02.14 | doublehp | Aenigma: #java |
| 02:02.16 | abrotman | doublehp: reinstall the package |
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| 02:02.52 | doublehp | trying atm ... if failes, update ; but update is likely to break working things |
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| 02:04.37 | f3xy | even a safe-upgrade? |
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| 02:05.23 | doublehp | f3xy: no way i run upgrade on this box !!! but just update is already making me wet ... |
| 02:05.54 | f3xy | haha |
| 02:05.55 | doublehp | abrotman: working : << Removing gsfonts ... >> and so on |
| 02:06.07 | ranix | sounds like you are getting excited |
| 02:06.26 | f3xy | or it's raining |
| 02:06.35 | f3xy | hopes it's raining |
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| 02:09.11 | f3xy | ewww. -> But using sid is like using an alpha version of ubuntu, it is not recommended for serious work. |
| 02:09.30 | ranix | it's not quite that bad |
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| 02:09.53 | f3xy | I mean referring to sid as alpha ubuntu |
| 02:10.03 | doublehp | just learnt last year in 2010 what SID really means ... after using it from 2000 to 2003 ^^ |
| 02:10.18 | f3xy | the kid that breaks all the toys? |
| 02:10.41 | doublehp | always been been said it was NOT still in dev, just been told it's all about Toys Story :) |
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| 02:12.03 | doublehp | !help |
| 02:12.15 | dvs | f3xy: Sid has a job as a garbage man now. |
| 02:12.29 | f3xy | is the garbage man? |
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| 02:12.32 | f3xy | err he |
| 02:12.40 | doublehp | please ... any admin, tell dpkg about untrusted and how to accept GPG stuff as required ... |
| 02:12.43 | f3xy | I thought it was the pizza delivery guy |
| 02:12.46 | dvs | f3xy: yup, in Toy Story 3 |
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| 02:13.04 | doublehp | abrotman: have you got power+knowledge to do this ? tell dpkg about untrusted |
| 02:13.28 | doublehp | TS3 was urgently required :) Debian was about to run out of names :) |
| 02:13.28 | abrotman | doublehp: pastebin |
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| 02:13.36 | abrotman | it was? |
| 02:13.41 | abrotman | we haven't even gotten to TS2 yet |
| 02:14.04 | doublehp | abrotman: tried !untrusted and he said "i give up" ; details of my missing keys is irrelevant |
| 02:14.12 | f3xy | thinks doublehp was waiting in line at midnight to watch Toy Story 3 |
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| 02:14.19 | abrotman | doublehp: pastebin |
| 02:14.52 | doublehp | http://pastebin.com/EyznHYTd |
| 02:15.29 | abrotman | doublehp: aptitude install debian-keyring;aptitude update;apt-get update ? |
| 02:15.34 | doublehp | i am pretty sure dpkg used to know about it |
| 02:15.47 | doublehp | teach this to the bot ! |
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| 02:16.48 | Lewoco | Is there a tool like top/iftop but for viewing hard disk throughput? |
| 02:16.55 | doublehp | iotop |
| 02:17.00 | f3xy | what's the name of that package that automatically updates your packages? |
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| 02:17.11 | f3xy | or I could write a cron job but :P |
| 02:17.13 | doublehp | auto-apt ? |
| 02:17.20 | f3xy | ahh yea that's probably it |
| 02:17.23 | doublehp | or cron-apt |
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| 02:18.04 | f3xy | oh that's weird |
| 02:18.13 | f3xy | auto-apt is rather interesting |
| 02:18.19 | doublehp | funny ... I hesitated because in fact, both exist :) |
| 02:18.53 | doublehp | f3xy: FYI, they are known to break systems :) use with care, and NOT on prod servers |
| 02:19.00 | abrotman | doublehp: fixed yet? |
| 02:19.12 | abrotman | cron-apt can be configure to just do security updates iirc |
| 02:19.41 | doublehp | abrotman: by box, yes, long time ago; thanks. Now updating bash for fun , but the single fact it did not insult me straight away means it fixed. |
| 02:20.16 | doublehp | abrotman: oh , untrusted ... no, ll do that overnight. IDC/IDM. |
| 02:20.18 | f3xy | you mean sudo insults? |
| 02:20.54 | doublehp | f3xy: i mean things like http://pastebin.com/QppMwF1K |
| 02:21.07 | abrotman | overnight ? |
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| 02:23.18 | doublehp | 1600s, is that about 20mn ? |
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| 02:27.43 | doublehp | abrotman: KCI is the replacement for PEBCAK ? |
| 02:28.10 | abrotman | for you perhaps |
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| 02:31.25 | doublehp | in the end of installation: << Current status: 458 updates [-6]. >> if 458 sounds like the number of deprecated packages, what does -6 mean ? |
| 02:31.49 | kevin7kal | oh man - I need help please. what is the preferred CLI IRC application these days |
| 02:32.00 | kevin7kal | is bitchx gone? |
| 02:32.09 | abrotman | irssi |
| 02:32.11 | doublehp | irssi ? |
| 02:32.27 | kevin7kal | ircii ? |
| 02:32.36 | abrotman | kevin7kal: apt-cache show irssi |
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| 02:33.16 | doublehp | abrotman: really tired :) ; kevin one s, two i |
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| 02:34.10 | doublehp | good night. |
| 02:34.35 | kevin7kal | k - irssi it is |
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| 02:35.14 | blast_hardcheese | ii is better ;) |
| 02:35.25 | abrotman | don't confuse him! |
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| 02:35.55 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: ;) |
| 02:36.07 | blast_hardcheese | Everyone wants a POSIX IRC client though! |
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| 02:37.35 | kevin7kal | irssi works for me |
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| 02:40.37 | pipeline | How do I make a bootable thumb drive from the netinst ISO ? |
| 02:41.07 | dvs | pipeline: cat debian.iso > /dev/sda |
| 02:41.08 | abrotman | cat netinst.iso > /dev/sdb |
| 02:41.10 | kevin7kal | and thanks to the person and or bot that helped to point out iirc |
| 02:41.18 | pipeline | well shit |
| 02:41.20 | dvs | a! |
| 02:41.20 | pipeline | I tried that with dd |
| 02:41.24 | pipeline | and ended up with a non-bootable thumb drive |
| 02:41.32 | abrotman | pipeline: new hybrid ISOs .. the install manual covers this |
| 02:41.47 | pipeline | oh dumbass me |
| 02:41.49 | pipeline | bad boot order |
| 02:41.53 | pipeline | christ on a cracker |
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| 02:43.55 | abrotman | thought he was the cracker |
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| 03:39.11 | mindwalk | is there a way to select a range of files in a dir? i am kind of trying to do what LIMIT does on a mysql statement |
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| 03:44.40 | un214 | ls | head -n |
| 03:45.01 | un214 | or even ls | tail +# | head -n # |
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| 03:50.58 | Bhavicp | Hey there, i'm just wondering if anyone can tell me how to "refresh" fdisk -l. Bascially i hotswapped out a drive, but it still seems to be showing the old drive when i do "fdisk -l" |
| 03:52.25 | Bhavicp | nvm, seems like i need to do fdisk /dev/sdd, then go from there. |
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| 03:53.41 | Bhavicp | Actually it still seems to show the old disk |
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| 03:55.45 | Bhavicp | Anyone know how i can refresh it? |
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| 03:59.52 | tmyklebu | did keys on http.us.debian.org change at some point in the last, say, year? |
| 03:59.55 | xoz | Bhavicp: reboot? |
| 04:00.13 | Bhavicp | xoz: Without rebooting, otherwise hotswap become's useless =/ |
| 04:00.14 | tmyklebu | (i'm getting some gpg NO_PUBKEY error.) |
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| 04:02.22 | xoz | Bhavicp: echo "0 0 0" /sys/class/<device>/scan |
| 04:02.31 | xoz | Bhavicp: to force rescan |
| 04:02.40 | cshore | tmyklebu: yes, as part of regularly scheduled key replacement |
| 04:03.04 | tmyklebu | cshore: oh. ick. when did this start? which package do i need to update? |
| 04:03.28 | cshore | I think it's debian-archive-key or something like that |
| 04:03.29 | xoz | Bhavicp: try partprobe |
| 04:03.51 | cshore | tmyklebu: ^^^ |
| 04:04.00 | tmyklebu | yeah, okay. |
| 04:04.30 | Bhavicp | Thanks xoz, will try it now. Thats what i found in google as well. |
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| 04:05.15 | xoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.15 | xoz | r |
| 04:05.25 | Bhavicp | Sometimes :P |
| 04:05.36 | xoz | if you know the correct keyword |
| 04:05.43 | cshore | tmyklebu: I think it's every three years or something like that that they keys change |
| 04:05.51 | xoz | since google is just using statistical pattern of bag or words |
| 04:06.08 | tmyklebu | okay, cool. aptitude no longer hates me. thanks, cshore! |
| 04:06.08 | xoz | *bag of words* |
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| 04:09.08 | Bhavicp | echo "0 0 0" >/sys/class/scsi_host/hostN/scan |
| 04:09.09 | Bhavicp | Worked. |
| 04:09.23 | Bhavicp | Had to do it for a few hosts to get which one it was lol. |
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| 04:10.04 | xoz | !congratulate Bhavicp |
| 04:10.04 | dpkg | Woohoo Bhavicp, you did it! |
| 04:10.09 | Bhavicp | :p |
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| 04:11.13 | xoz | notes that debian announcements are getting active lately |
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| 04:29.19 | mindwalk | is it possible to grep only 4 letter words in a text file? each word is on its own line |
| 04:30.37 | f3xy | mindwalk: walk? |
| 04:30.39 | f3xy | err |
| 04:30.40 | f3xy | roffles |
| 04:30.44 | f3xy | mindwalk: awk |
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| 04:31.24 | f3xy | you can change the record seperator RS to whatever you want |
| 04:31.49 | f3xy | or the field seperator |
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| 05:06.37 | txh | what are the sizes of the downloaded /6.0.1a//jigdo-bd files for debian iso's? |
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| 05:15.40 | txh | can I just place many of the dvd iso's on a bd-r or a flash drive except the install iso or something? |
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| 05:26.12 | karlpinc | txh: Why do you want to? Use of the netinstall is recommended. If you're doing more than one then use something like apt-cacher. The only time you want dvds is when you're entirely off-line. |
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| 05:26.22 | sephii | I upgraded from testing to sid yesterday and now my wifi isn't working anymore (can't put the interface up because of an unknown error 132). I checked the rfkill status and it tells me the interface is "hard blocked", but pushing the wireless button doesn't do anything (it just enables/disables the bluetooth, but not the wifi), and it was working on testing |
| 05:26.53 | karlpinc | txh: See the debian-cd package. |
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| 05:28.30 | karlpinc | sephii: Why did you upgrade? If it's just to get new applications see the <overview> factoid. |
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| 05:31.06 | sephii | karlpinc: I just wanted to try sid because I've been running testing for a few years now and I wanted to see how different it is. Now I think I know... |
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| 05:32.07 | txh | karlpinc: is the large distro 'all distributed packages' packed in to those 35.2GB iso's? |
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| 05:33.00 | txh | I havent used debian befoe |
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| 05:41.33 | mosno | howcome dash doesn't have the fc builtin? |
| 05:41.48 | mosno | even though it is documented |
| 05:42.13 | mosno | checks bug reports |
| 05:42.37 | mosno | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=252498 |
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| 05:48.39 | cshore | thx: the five (or whatever it is now) DVD is everything (binary only though). Sources I don't think are on DVD any more, or at least a separate set |
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| 05:48.43 | txh | the reason I wanted to install by disc was because it would get my system up and running quickly |
| 05:49.12 | mosno | hmm, this bug has been open for almost 7 years :( |
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| 05:49.18 | cshore | txh: how slow is your internet connection: usually it's faster to install via internet |
| 05:49.32 | txh | really?, ok |
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| 05:50.01 | cshore | txh: I mean unless you buy the DVD set or something |
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| 05:50.19 | cshore | txh: and then you've got to wait for it to be shipped |
| 05:50.54 | cshore | txh: but if you install via internet you only download the files you need instead of *everything* |
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| 05:52.30 | txh | I understand thanks for the help |
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| 06:17.16 | durpa | how do i create a package from something i want to compile from source with specific configure options? |
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| 06:18.44 | nevyn | durpa: depends.. |
| 06:19.02 | nevyn | durpa: you could rebuild the source package.. |
| 06:19.41 | durpa | nevyn: what do you mean? i thought it was a fairly standard thing to build a package out of something you'd compile |
| 06:19.48 | nevyn | or you could use something like checkinstall to make a "deb" that doesn't nessicarilly comply with policy |
| 06:20.34 | nevyn | durpa: so it depends sometimes the debian directory that contains all the metadata required for the debian packageing tools is included in projects |
| 06:20.49 | durpa | nevyn: i just installed checkinstall a few minutes ago actually : P |
| 06:21.13 | durpa | nevyn: well, this came up recently because i compiled apache2 from source and then wanted to remove it completely and failed miserably |
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| 06:21.23 | nevyn | so checkinstall is good and bad. it does atleast encapsulate the make-install bit. |
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| 06:21.58 | durpa | nevyn: yeah, that's why i was wondering how can i build a custom package from sources |
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| 06:22.52 | nevyn | durpa: but. for apache2 I'd be inclined to work from the existing debian source package make local mods change the version etc and mark it as held |
| 06:23.33 | lkthomas | anyone know how to use nohide for all nfs subdirectory on exports file ? |
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| 06:24.42 | durpa | nevyn: can you point me in a direction where that's more elaborated on? |
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| 06:29.44 | nevyn | durpa: apt-get source apache2 && apt-get build-dep apache2; vi debian/rules; dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us (if you're like me. and don't sign stuff) |
| 06:30.01 | nevyn | durpa: this is generally a bad move why do you want to rebuild apache? |
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| 06:31.01 | durpa | nevyn: just some configure options that don't come with the apt-get install version, also i'm building a custom extension for php and need for instance my php compiled with --enable-debug so that i can get debug symbols for gdb |
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| 06:32.16 | nevyn | so that's not apache. |
| 06:32.28 | durpa | nevyn: but it also appears that i need to RTFM more about apt-get because there's some things above that i've never seen |
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| 06:33.26 | nevyn | that's a vaguly 80,000 foot view of the process but blah. |
| 06:34.21 | durpa | nevyn: lol no worries, this is a personal project so i'm willing to dedicate some time into learning : D i appreciate the knowledge |
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| 06:36.14 | nevyn | durpa: there's not a php-dbg package? |
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| 06:37.41 | Ammler | Hello does debian aptitude have a command/option to check, if there are recent tools installed, which need restart? |
| 06:38.49 | nevyn | Ammler: dpkg -l|grep linux-image && uname -a |
| 06:39.18 | nevyn | hrm |
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| 06:40.19 | nevyn | Ammler: dpkg -l|grep ii.*linux-image && uname -a oops |
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| 06:41.01 | nevyn | Ammler: if the version of anything in the lines above the bottom line is greater than the line at the bottom you need to reboot. |
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| 06:41.54 | nevyn | which it almost certainly won't be. |
| 06:42.32 | ompaul | dont leave in the oops :-) |
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| 06:43.04 | twofish | is the DebianEeePc repository still maintained? |
| 06:43.16 | Ammler | but that line gives me only info about kernel, right? |
| 06:43.34 | twofish | it seems like most of the info on the wiki is out of date, and the irc channel for debian-eeepc is dead |
| 06:44.02 | twofish | anyways, I'm having a problem getting acpi hotkeys to work on the EEE 1215T |
| 06:44.38 | twofish | its the latest model and it's using an ati chipset |
| 06:44.57 | twofish | although it seems there are no reports of it not working from the ubuntu community |
| 06:45.35 | twofish | afaik most of the stuff that applied to the older / Atom based EEE's does not apply to the ATI / AMD-Neo based models |
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| 06:46.09 | twofish | acpi_listen does not return events for any hot keys besides screen brightness up/down |
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| 06:46.59 | twofish | I installed eeepc-acpi-scripts but that didn't help, and I kinda didn't expect it too because I don't believe those have been maintained since lenny |
| 06:47.06 | twofish | most of that stuff is in the kernel now afaik |
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| 06:47.32 | nevyn | Ammler: if anything other than the kernel needs a restart of the system to work correctly it's a BUG! |
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| 06:48.11 | nevyn | things might need you to logout and in again as a user. |
| 06:48.15 | Ammler | nevyn: I do not mean to restart the pc, I meant restarting the app |
| 06:48.56 | nevyn | if a system service is upgraded the upgrade should include a service restart. |
| 06:49.26 | Ammler | ok, that is different to other distros then |
| 06:49.31 | twofish | Ammler when most programs are updated they should be restarted as a general rule of thumb |
| 06:49.50 | nevyn | twofish: by dpkg/postinst scripts not by the administrator. |
| 06:50.13 | twofish | in a perfect world |
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| 06:59.40 | SgrA | what was that program called? |
| 06:59.42 | SgrA | the one that created bootable usb installers from iso files? |
| 06:59.59 | Ammler | dd? |
| 07:00.09 | SgrA | it was for windows |
| 07:00.35 | SgrA | i mean it worked on windows and wasn't as destructive as dd for the newbie |
| 07:01.11 | timo | SgrA: UNetbootin? |
| 07:01.36 | SgrA | ahh that one |
| 07:01.44 | SgrA | thanks timo |
| 07:01.46 | ChikhO | 'lllll hi friends!! lllll' |
| 07:01.52 | timo | no problem |
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| 07:06.14 | ChikhO | 'lllll that boring lllll' |
| 07:06.17 | ChikhO | 'lllll xO lllll' |
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| 07:09.06 | SgrA | Seems like you want the boot huh ChikhO |
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| 07:09.33 | vampi-the-frog | hi guys. how can i run tmux directly from the ssh command line (ie ssh user@host tmux - it gives me the error 'not a terminal') |
| 07:09.52 | vampi-the-frog | ie how can i force ssh to make a terminal |
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| 07:10.00 | vampi-the-frog | for the command it runs |
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| 07:11.40 | vampi-the-frog | i basically want to re-attach to a tmux session with a single command |
| 07:11.54 | vampi-the-frog | to a remote tmux session* |
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| 07:13.12 | hkais | hello all |
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| 07:14.01 | hkais | can someone tell me, there so search my connection infos of GSM and WLAN? I switched my computer and did a reinstall. now I try to find the conf-file, there my connections are stored... |
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| 07:15.14 | joeb_ | hi all .. this is a strech and i want to spy on a tty/ pts/ how do i do this ? |
| 07:15.28 | sabgenton | can apt-get or aptitute find deps for a executable you downloaded from someware |
| 07:15.34 | sabgenton | or do you have to use ldd |
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| 07:16.13 | capitan | wow... odd... gnome got all... ugly all the sudden |
| 07:16.33 | sabgenton | joeb_: mabye cat there file descriptors or somthing |
| 07:16.48 | capitan | by gnome i mean gtk+ |
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| 07:17.03 | capitan | all the widgets went all circa-1998-gnome on me |
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| 07:17.25 | capitan | dark pukey gray... |
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| 07:18.30 | sabgenton | joeb_: cat sorta works but it takes the chars of the users screen |
| 07:18.38 | sabgenton | tee or somthing.. |
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| 07:18.52 | joeb_ | sabgenton: that chars ? |
| 07:19.02 | joeb_ | chars as in characters ? |
| 07:19.10 | sabgenton | yeah |
| 07:19.35 | sabgenton | joeb_: if you type tty it tells you what file discribor your tty is |
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| 07:19.46 | sabgenton | then cat that tty from some other shell |
| 07:19.50 | sabgenton | see what happens |
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| 07:20.05 | sabgenton | google must have a way to do it properly |
| 07:20.12 | joeb_ | sabgenton: liek cat tty7 ? |
| 07:20.20 | flamingspinach | hey #debian, what fonts should I get? everything looks pretty horrid right now tbh (barebones-ish wheezy install) |
| 07:20.38 | sabgenton | joeb_: type tty in a shel |
| 07:20.39 | flamingspinach | so far I got inconsolata for a monospaced font which is pretty nice |
| 07:20.44 | sabgenton | $tty |
| 07:20.54 | sabgenton | then cat <the output> |
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| 07:21.18 | sabgenton | cat is the wrong tool for man in the middle but you'll get the point |
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| 07:24.52 | joeb_ | sabgenton: that worked a little .. it made my terminal slow |
| 07:24.53 | nevyn | sabgenton: tee ;) |
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| 07:25.58 | sabgenton | joeb_: aptitude install ttysnoop |
| 07:26.04 | sabgenton | probley easyer |
| 07:26.20 | sabgenton | (haven't actually tried it |
| 07:27.26 | joeb_ | sabgenton: i ran that ttysnoop but couldnt get it configed right |
| 07:27.37 | sabgenton | k |
| 07:27.49 | sabgenton | there must be some easy tutoral out there someware |
| 07:28.02 | sabgenton | muc round with tee and pipes and stuff |
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| 07:28.41 | sabgenton | you proable need to redirect the stuff back to the victums shell to make it transparent |
| 07:28.53 | joeb_ | k |
| 07:28.55 | sabgenton | somehow |
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| 07:29.16 | neoplus | hi |
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| 07:29.29 | sabgenton | I'm just symiseing though don't know the best way |
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| 07:30.16 | sabgenton | asks all anyone know if apt will installed dependenceys for a file automaticly |
| 07:30.21 | sabgenton | with out ldd |
| 07:30.29 | sabgenton | manuall ldd your self |
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| 07:32.20 | neoplus | hi |
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| 07:32.47 | neoplus | Hi every body. |
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| 07:33.44 | Mygale | lo all |
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| 07:34.17 | Mygale | i'm litle lose :p) |
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| 07:34.47 | Mygale | want do an rt kernel but i have some pb with nvidia driver |
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| 07:38.41 | jelly-home | Mygale: they don't mesh well, linux-rt patches and nvidia drivers |
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| 07:40.54 | draeath | Got a wierd issue. Fresh squeeze install. Xorg is detecting (incorrectly) my saitek joystick as a tablet input device and trying to drive my mouse with it. Xorg -configure put nothing of the sort in the config file, only my normal mouse stuff. The mouse works, but is 'overridden' by the joystick and it snaps back to the screen center |
| 07:41.00 | draeath | How can I kill this behavior? |
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| 07:41.00 | hkais | can someone tell me, there so search my connection infos of GSM and WLAN? I switched my computer and did a reinstall. now I try to find the conf-file, there my connections are stored... |
| 07:41.07 | xreal | How can I tell my init-script to wait, until postgres has started ? |
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| 07:42.13 | hkais | xreal: put it to an another runnumber |
| 07:42.14 | Krobar | This is probably a simple question.... Where is the file or symlinks that decide the locations of binarys? (Eg. when I run a binary with no path) |
| 07:42.20 | hkais | do not use the defaults |
| 07:42.59 | hkais | Krobar: that is the env variable PATH |
| 07:43.00 | draeath | I'm seeing "(**) Saitek Saitek X52 Flight Control System: Applying InputClass "evdev tablet catchall"" |
| 07:43.02 | terpstra | to which mailing list should ftp-master requests sent? |
| 07:43.13 | Mygale | jelly-home: sry take coffee and thx :'( |
| 07:43.14 | hkais | Krobar: which <yourBinFile> |
| 07:43.17 | draeath | I have, and will not have, -any- tablet interfaces and I feel it is safe to kill that functionality entirely. I just don't know how. |
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| 07:43.48 | xreal | hkais: doesn't Required-Start work? |
| 07:43.57 | Krobar | hkais: I messed up a configure for a compile and it put the bin in the wrong place, I removed the bin in the wrong place but it still points to it, how do I repoint at the new location? |
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| 07:44.37 | hkais | Krobar: it depends what your make did |
| 07:44.54 | hkais | the easiest way is to look into the make |
| 07:45.03 | simonlnu | makefile |
| 07:45.04 | hkais | or figure out what which says |
| 07:45.20 | Krobar | hkais: So there is no standard method? |
| 07:45.21 | hkais | xreal: haven't tried it |
| 07:45.33 | xreal | ok :-) |
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| 07:45.50 | simonlnu | Krobar: standard method for what? unscrewing systems? |
| 07:45.50 | hkais | Krobar: for debian, yes. Use the debian packages |
| 07:45.52 | Krobar | I did reconfigure and make install again and it installed the files in the right place but doesnt seem to have updated the link. |
| 07:46.04 | draeath | /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf is WRONG. it states it catches all but joysticks. But here it is, catching my joystick. |
| 07:46.20 | simonlnu | draeath: so file a bug |
| 07:46.21 | Krobar | hkais: HAving problems with FreeTDS in the latest Deb package and so was trying to install the current dev version |
| 07:46.30 | hkais | Krobar: else take a look into the makefile. You can also provide parameters to the configure, but it depends, what the developer of th emakefile provided. |
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| 07:46.45 | draeath | I would if I could do anything. I'm stuck in a mouseless console :/ |
| 07:46.51 | simonlnu | draeath: here is not a complaints department |
| 07:47.03 | draeath | I'm asking how to safely kill this so I can do something |
| 07:47.16 | hkais | Krobar: take the src-package of debian, check what they patch on the vanilla-version of FreeTDS and do the same on the dev-version |
| 07:47.24 | hkais | that is the easiest way. |
| 07:47.32 | simonlnu | draeath: so install gpm? |
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| 07:47.49 | hkais | can someone tell me, there so search my connection infos of GSM and WLAN? I switched my computer and did a reinstall. now I try to find the conf-file, there my connections are stored... |
| 07:47.54 | draeath | I think I got it. I'm just commenting out the offensive rule stanza |
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| 07:48.05 | eptalon | heyas all |
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| 07:48.26 | Krobar | hkais: Sounds complex, might be easier to reinstall the VM and just do the ./configure with the correct options first time :) |
| 07:48.43 | simonlnu | draeath: file the bug anyway. help others with your problem |
| 07:48.44 | hkais | Krobar: no it is pretty easy |
| 07:49.25 | hkais | Krobar: apt-get source packagename |
| 07:49.37 | draeath | simonlnu: yep that worked. I'm filling in a bug. It seems that the stick is being flagged as a tablet already, and that file is only acting on it, so something is wrong |
| 07:49.41 | hkais | it downlaods the vanilla version and also the changes of debian |
| 07:49.51 | hkais | just look into the changes |
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| 07:49.58 | simonlnu | draeath: *nods* - probably a udev issue |
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| 07:50.23 | eptalon | I do have a debian sid, which currently has a separate /boot (ext4) partition (raid), /, plus several others are on lvm+raid (xfs). I do need to move these from one physical disk to another and wondered if it was possible to boot from an lvm ext4 (or btrfs) on a raid (all raid is software mdadm)? |
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| 07:51.01 | draeath | simonlnu: lol reportbug is crashing with a floating point exception |
| 07:51.14 | simonlnu | wtf? |
| 07:51.29 | thinksteve | eptalon: Depends on your bootloader. grub-legacy doesn't, I'm not sure about grub2. |
| 07:51.44 | simonlnu | reportbug is python based |
| 07:51.58 | Krobar | hkais: I just patch this to it: freetds_0.82-7.diff.gz |
| 07:52.06 | Krobar | ? |
| 07:52.06 | draeath | yea. it comes up, i went through the config (basics, use debian SMTP etc). now, after typing the package name and hitting next, it bombs out |
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| 07:52.20 | draeath | wierdness... |
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| 07:52.26 | simonlnu | mine complains a bit if i run it from console about no display gtk can't open, but that's all |
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| 07:53.43 | simonlnu | 'weird' (sorry, have ocd, and that's one of them) |
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| 07:54.18 | Mygale | arf an over question when apply a ptach if no do backup can't unaply it? |
| 07:54.28 | Mygale | grrr i'm too bad lol |
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| 07:55.45 | simonlnu | Mygale: man patch; look for -R |
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| 07:56.43 | simonlnu | learn your tools |
| 07:57.00 | Mygale | simonlnu: thx |
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| 07:58.14 | Mygale | i try it :p) |
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| 08:04.50 | hid3 | Hello everyone. How do I scroll up in `screen` buffer? |
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| 08:05.20 | simonlnu | ctrl-a + esc is how i do it |
| 08:05.52 | simonlnu | technically that's to start a copy/paste session but i use it to scroll |
| 08:06.05 | simonlnu | hit esc to come out of it |
| 08:06.20 | hid3 | uhm, quite a strange way |
| 08:06.22 | simonlnu | (like every other unix tool in the multiverse) |
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| 08:07.56 | hid3 | Thanks anyway, this strange way works :) |
| 08:08.24 | simonlnu | that's why i use it ;) |
| 08:08.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | IdleOne: if you don't have a better way, you can't complain abut his :) |
| 08:08.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | er, * hid3 |
| 08:09.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | IdleOne: sorry about the ping |
| 08:09.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | speaking of screen -.- |
| 08:09.38 | hid3 | it's okay :) |
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| 08:09.55 | jrz | Is it possible to resize my boot partition online? (ext4) |
| 08:10.16 | simonlnu | make backups |
| 08:10.34 | jrz | My disk was 4gb (3.5gb + 0.5gb).. I removed the 0.5gb partition, and assumed resize2fs would work.. but it doesn't, as my partition is still 3.5gb |
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| 08:11.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | 'doesnt work'? |
| 08:11.27 | xoz | jrz: maybe it is still using the old info. |
| 08:11.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | jrz: are you asking about your boot partition or root partition? |
| 08:11.47 | jrz | Kamping_Kaiser: oh sorry.. root |
| 08:11.51 | jrz | xoz: I've rebooted |
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| 08:12.37 | jrz | It's for my xbmc box, which runs on a usb.. and sometimes, I'm out of space.. so I removed the swap partition (moved to disk), and set swappiness to 10. |
| 08:12.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | jrz: it might let you, but i'd certainly think twice before doing it |
| 08:12.46 | xoz | what does fdisk -l says? |
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| 08:13.32 | jrz | http://pastie.org/1738450 |
| 08:13.46 | jrz | sdc is my usb sticky |
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| 08:15.25 | jrz | I love my setup by the way... my data (data, music, backups) disk is synced to my media disk every 4 hours using rsnapshot |
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| 08:15.51 | jrz | mediadisk contains movies + the sync.. a lot better than a mirror setup, because mirror is no backup |
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| 08:16.27 | jrz | + I sync some of my servers =) |
| 08:16.48 | jrz | Maybe I'll write a blogpost on it soon.. any how.. I'm stuck with my usb stick |
| 08:17.12 | jrz | oh lol.. come to think of it.. I could just take the stick out, resize on my laptop, and put it back :) |
| 08:17.25 | simonlnu | yes |
| 08:17.54 | simonlnu | resizing root, that's what i'd do (use another box to do it) |
| 08:18.12 | jrz | oh btw.. what's this about: Partition 1 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux? |
| 08:18.35 | simonlnu | i ignore it usually |
| 08:19.10 | simonlnu | is it about partition/sector stuff? |
| 08:20.08 | iguana7 | Any debhelper experts here? I have an upstream source package that has a debian/ subdirectory already. Unfortunately, the files in there are only partially complete and stale. So I've used quilt and patched those files, and I can successfully build binary debs. But I want deb-buildpackage to generate a .dsc, bundle up my patches, etc. The problem is that if I don't invoke dpkg-buildpackage with -nc, then it tries to build using |
| 08:20.09 | iguana7 | the original source file, which has the messed up files in the debian/ subdir, and the build fails. How should I handle this so I can at least get the diffs file generated (and hopefully a .dsc as well)? |
| 08:21.25 | jrz | simonlnu: yeah... Maybe it's because I had to fiddle to get my box to boot from usb |
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| 08:22.13 | simonlnu | iguana7: might to ask on #debian-mentors (oftc nw) |
| 08:22.18 | mrcarrot | according to http://wiki.debian.org/Firewalls there are many firewall frontends available for debian lenny. what do you recommend to run on a console only server? |
| 08:22.20 | simonlnu | might want* |
| 08:22.39 | simonlnu | i use ferm |
| 08:23.04 | iguana7 | simonlnu: pardon the ignorance, but what does "oftc nw" mean? |
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| 08:23.50 | durpa | how can i get volume out of my usb headphones? :D |
| 08:25.37 | iguana7 | simonlnu: #debian-mentors looks like an invite-only channel and I couldn't see any members before I got kicked out. Any recommendations on how I should go about actually talking to someone? Thanks for the suggestion, BTW. |
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| 08:28.42 | Arrowmaster | iguana7: its on irc.oftc.net and not on freenode |
| 08:28.59 | iguana7 | Arrowmaster: ah, thank you! |
| 08:29.07 | simonlnu | iguana7: oftc network, irc.oftc.net |
| 08:29.16 | iguana7 | wasn't aware of the oftc network |
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| 08:30.11 | simonlnu | mrcarrot: ferm handles ipv6, ipv4, anything you can throw at it |
| 08:30.59 | simonlnu | handles translating iptables-save output nicely too |
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| 08:31.35 | simonlnu | translating that to its own format* |
| 08:32.11 | mrcarrot | okay, thanks |
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| 08:40.04 | iguana7 | hey thanks simonlnu and Arrowmaster for pointing me in the right direction. The folks in #debian-mentors on oftc were helpful and answered my question. |
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| 08:43.50 | simonlnu | iguana7: :) |
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| 08:52.51 | ayambit | how do i use tell ls to show directories in the beginning of listing? |
| 08:52.52 | ayambit | Man didn't help. |
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| 08:54.51 | timo | ayambit: --group-directories-first |
| 08:55.14 | Digdilem | or -g |
| 08:55.36 | timo | -g doesn't do it for me |
| 08:55.41 | Digdilem | no, sorry, timo was right |
| 08:55.52 | Digdilem | i had mine aliased |
| 08:56.36 | resmo | ayambit, man ls usually helps |
| 08:56.50 | ayambit | resmo, wrong channel actually |
| 08:57.10 | ayambit | resmo: on my system there is no such switch |
| 08:57.14 | ayambit | but it's not linux... |
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| 08:57.27 | resmo | ayambit, I am sorry :) |
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| 09:16.04 | vallhalla | Hello all |
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| 09:16.52 | vallhalla | Is there a channel for debian arm? |
| 09:17.14 | jeybop | hi |
| 09:17.38 | jeybop | perfmon is not enabled in the 2.6.32 kernel? |
| 09:17.38 | themill | vallhalla: there's a #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. You could also ask here or on #openplug depending on your hardware and what it is you want to know |
| 09:18.16 | jeybop | I am trying to use papi, and it seems it can not access to MPUs |
| 09:18.31 | jeybop | dmesg gives me that: Performance Events: no PMU driver, software events only. |
| 09:18.42 | jeybop | what should I do? |
| 09:18.56 | vallhalla | themill: well it was more wanting to sit in and help I have been having fun installing debian on to my phone and wanted to give back a little :) |
| 09:19.14 | xreal | How can I start my init script AFTER postgres has been started (Squeeze): http://paste.debian.net/112502/ |
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| 09:34.37 | saju_m | http://dpaste.com/527295/ df command parsing |
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| 09:36.36 | sidh | Greetings |
| 09:37.27 | sidh | Is it possible that during an upgrade and dist-upgrade process, openoffice has been replaced by libreoffice ? |
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| 09:38.10 | sidh | I wonder because now when I launch an attachement xls file in my MUA, it is libreoffice that is launched |
| 09:38.15 | themill | saju_m: if #ubuntu can't answer your question (you should try asking one....) then you could try #bash. |
| 09:38.29 | themill | sidh: libreoffice has replaced OOo in wheezy and sid, yes. |
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| 09:40.06 | nsadmin | , pciid 14e4:4727 |
| 09:40.08 | judd | [14e4:4727] is 'BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'brcm80211' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4727 http://wiki.debian.org/wl http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
| 09:40.18 | sidh | ahhh ok so I'm not (so) out of my mind thank you |
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| 09:40.51 | sidh | themill: but openoffice still exist isn't it ? |
| 09:41.13 | themill | sidh: not in debian |
| 09:41.32 | themill | or rather, not in wheezy and sid (it's still in lenny and squeeze, obviously) |
| 09:42.08 | sidh | really ? whaooww Oracle has closed the sources ? |
| 09:42.42 | nsadmin | is it intended to remove oo? |
| 09:42.48 | themill | nsadmin: already done |
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| 09:43.07 | nsadmin | what was the reason? |
| 09:43.13 | themill | sidh: no, Debian has been using an unnamed not very official fork of OOo for years (go-oo.org). Now it just has a name (libreoffice) and a formal organisation to back it up |
| 09:44.05 | deconvolution | hello, after upgrade to the newest libreoffice (1:3.3.2-1, amd64), it cannot start soffice.bin: ../../src/xcb_io.c:470: _XAllocID: Assertion `ret != inval_id' failed. Anyone met the same issue ? |
| 09:44.18 | nsadmin | so they followed down the lines of the fork |
| 09:44.49 | themill | and has been doing so for years -- and OOo in debian was much better for doing so, too |
| 09:45.05 | deconvolution | themill, then I cannot start it :P |
| 09:45.20 | themill | deconvolution: check the bts |
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| 09:46.28 | nsadmin | "anyone have the same issue" -> there is for that, |
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| 09:46.31 | nsadmin | !bts |
| 09:46.31 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 09:46.49 | deconvolution | checking bts atm |
| 09:47.16 | nsadmin | just pointing out that all such questions are answered by it |
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| 09:51.57 | xreal | How can I start my init script AFTER postgres has been started (Squeeze)?: http://paste.debian.net/112502/ |
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| 09:52.50 | Shadur | xreal: Sounds like a job for dependency-based booting. |
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| 09:53.20 | xreal | Shadur: Isn't this # Required-Start: postgresql ? |
| 09:53.23 | nsadmin | does n't squeeze use that by default? |
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| 09:54.11 | Shadur | nsadmin: It does. |
| 09:54.22 | nsadmin | xreal: ls /etc/init.d/postgresql |
| 09:54.25 | Shadur | xreal: Sounds about right, but look up the documentation. |
| 09:54.30 | nsadmin | exist? |
| 09:54.40 | xreal | nsadmin: valid |
| 09:54.44 | xreal | Shadur: I did. |
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| 09:55.10 | nsadmin | so postgresql (not postgresql*) exists? |
| 09:55.37 | xreal | yep |
| 09:55.46 | xreal | the init-scripts also provides "postgresql" |
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| 09:56.14 | xreal | the init script of postgresql "Provides postgresql" |
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| 09:57.35 | nsadmin | that[s interesting because the version of pg has influence |
| 09:57.46 | Shadur | xreal: And from the looks of it, you'll need to require $postgresql |
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| 09:58.26 | _Brandon_ | hi, I created a software raid1 during the debian installation, but I've noticed that it's not defined in /etc/mdadm.conf |
| 09:58.35 | xreal | Shadur: ahhhhh! |
| 09:58.39 | xreal | Thanks |
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| 09:58.57 | xreal | Shall I better write $postgresql postgres ? |
| 09:59.02 | xreal | $postgresql postgresql ? |
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| 10:00.53 | themill | the $ is for virtual facilities, is postgresql a virtual facility? |
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| 10:07.10 | ne2k | http://lists.debian.org/debian-backports/2010/04/msg00046.html I am interested in this documented method of converting from 3.0 (quilt) to 1.0 + quilt -- but this link doesn't appear to contain it any more -- any idea of where that article might be? |
| 10:08.41 | Fudge | hi guys, anyone know how to share vconsoles clipboard with gnome? |
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| 10:08.47 | man_in_ltop | waves |
| 10:09.17 | man_in_ltop | i'm trying to switch from iceweasel to chromium, and apparently chromium can't detect my default browser |
| 10:09.22 | man_in_ltop | any idea what i should be looking for? |
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| 10:12.32 | vallhalla | man_in_ltop: what desktop manager do you use? |
| 10:12.36 | man_in_ltop | xfce |
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| 10:13.14 | vallhalla | I belive it will be prefereces/preferd aplications or simler |
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| 10:13.19 | man_in_ltop | hmm |
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| 10:13.46 | vallhalla | sorry been quite some time since i used xfce |
| 10:13.49 | man_in_ltop | yeah |
| 10:13.54 | man_in_ltop | chromium's not in the list there |
| 10:14.07 | themill | ne2k: the website has moved the backports.debian.org and finally got human-readable URLs; the "contribute" page still exists. Conversion from debsrc3.0 to 1.0 is no longer necessary so is not documented there any more. Why do you want to do that anyway? |
| 10:15.12 | vallhalla | man_in_ltop: you can add it tho |
| 10:15.19 | vallhalla | man_in_ltop: /usr/bin/chromium-browser i think |
| 10:15.30 | locus | Hi. I'm trying to do a backup/restore for installed dpkg's. A simple solution seems to be using 'dpkg --get-selections' and '--set-selections'. Unfortunately, this method does not work with mixed releases (backports and stable). Is there a simple way to backup/restore a package list including the release? |
| 10:15.34 | man_in_ltop | yeah ... |
| 10:15.40 | man_in_ltop | upgraded sensible-utils |
| 10:15.49 | man_in_ltop | let's see what else i can upgrade :D |
| 10:16.27 | ne2k | themill: I'm trying to install slony1-2-bin and postgresql-8.4-slony1-2 on ubuntu hardy, which has involved installing the maverick source repository. hardy's dpkg-source complains that the .dsc file is in an invalid format (3.0 (quilt)), which presumably means it's old. however, trying to upgrade dpkg-source was getting into basically upgrading everything, so I decided I'm try modifying the source to work with the old dpkg-source |
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| 10:17.07 | ne2k | themill: what's the best approach here? I've installed quilt itself but I'm not sure how to start |
| 10:17.10 | themill | ne2k: sounds like a question for the #ubuntu* channels then... |
| 10:17.35 | ne2k | themill: well, it's a general question about debian package format and patching |
| 10:17.50 | themill | ne2k: both debian stable and oldstable support debsrc3.0 |
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| 10:18.20 | nsadmin | no, it also involves content... further it's not always clear what version of dpkg/apt they're using |
| 10:18.39 | ne2k | nsadmin: true, ok, point taken |
| 10:19.01 | termens | hi members |
| 10:19.50 | nsadmin | hi group' |
| 10:20.14 | termens | is a good distro for compiling? |
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| 10:20.30 | ne2k | termens: your sentence has no subject |
| 10:20.31 | nsadmin | syntax error. restate question |
| 10:20.56 | nsadmin | (hint: try complete sentence_ |
| 10:21.01 | ne2k | termens: and your verb has no subject, but it has no meaningful intransitive sense. |
| 10:21.08 | ne2k | termens: s/subject/object/ |
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| 10:21.33 | themill | ne2k: you could try archive.org to see if that page is archived there. If you look elsewhere in that list, you'll see a post or two discussing the procedure. istr a good one by jakub wilk about this (memory might be failing me, however). Note that unless the use of debsrc3.0 is quite trivial (i.e. just a few patches), then it can't be easily converted at all. |
| 10:21.52 | termens | ok |
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| 10:23.19 | ne2k | themill: series file contains 9 lines |
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| 10:23.29 | termens | I'm sorry, and asks you, when you know something more than English grammar |
| 10:24.17 | themill | ne2k: debsrc3.0 can also do a lot of other things like bringing in binary files from the debian patches and using multiple tarballs for the original source. These things have no (simple) equivalent in the 1.0 format |
| 10:24.18 | ne2k | themill: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakub_Wilk ? |
| 10:24.31 | themill | heh... I doubt it |
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| 10:25.53 | simonlnu | termens: rephrasing might be a good idea. what do you mean by "is good distro"? debian? another one? |
| 10:26.07 | ne2k | themill: might the best solution be to extract and patch on a machine with a later version of the build tools, and then copy back and compile? |
| 10:26.35 | simonlnu | termens: and by "for compiling"? compiling what? |
| 10:26.38 | termens | debian is a good distro for compiling? |
| 10:26.53 | termens | compiling tarball |
| 10:26.59 | simonlnu | termens: what exactly do you have in mind? |
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| 10:27.29 | ne2k | termens: I think the question you are trying to ask is: "Is Debian a good distribution for compiling?" However, as I already said, "compile" doesn't have a meaningful intransitive sense. You need to specify what you are compiling, and for what purpose. |
| 10:27.35 | ne2k | !xy |
| 10:27.35 | dpkg | xy is probably a boy |
| 10:27.42 | ne2k | hmmm |
| 10:27.47 | simonlnu | !xy question |
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| 10:27.57 | Iridos | I thought xyquestion |
| 10:28.00 | simonlnu | hr? |
| 10:28.05 | simonlnu | !xyquestion |
| 10:28.16 | simonlnu | !status |
| 10:28.16 | dpkg | Since Wed Mar 30 11:05:03 2011, there have been 3 modifications, 90 questions, 34 dunnos, 0 morons and 32 commands. I have been awake for 23h 23m 13s this session, and currently reference 39413 factoids. I'm using about 18184 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 81.14/3.98 child 0/0.01 |
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| 10:28.31 | Bushmills | termens: you compile, using a compiler (and libs), not a distribution. most distributions, including debian, provide those. |
| 10:28.31 | ne2k | termens: your question really doesn't make sense. what are you actually trying to do? as in, actually. |
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| 10:28.54 | miasma | hi guys, what does it mean that a package is still in new queue http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg887089.html ? is there a downloadable .deb anywhere? |
| 10:29.34 | themill | !new |
| 10:29.34 | dpkg | well, new is the NEW queue for Debian packages, part of the <incoming> system, at http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html . Packages that are in the NEW queue cannot be downloaded, because they have not yet been checked to see if they are allowed to be distributed by the Debian project. |
| 10:29.35 | Iridos | oh |
| 10:29.39 | Iridos | !xy problem |
| 10:29.39 | dpkg | [xyproblem] People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem or http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/put-down-the-chocolate-covered-banana.html |
| 10:29.48 | miasma | oh crap |
| 10:29.52 | termens | I would like to compile the kernel 2.38 |
| 10:29.54 | Iridos | simonlnu, possibly time for some redirects |
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| 10:30.31 | simonlnu | !xy question is also xy problem |
| 10:30.32 | dpkg | simonlnu: okay |
| 10:30.38 | Pumba | termens: go ahead - section 8.6 of the debian manual |
| 10:30.41 | Bushmills | !make-kpkg |
| 10:30.41 | dpkg | [make-kpkg] the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html , man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>. |
| 10:30.47 | Bushmills | termens: ^^^ |
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| 10:31.02 | themill | dpkg, no xy question is <reply> see xy problem |
| 10:31.03 | dpkg | okay, themill |
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| 10:31.16 | simonlnu | ah yes. thanks |
| 10:31.21 | themill | :) |
| 10:31.39 | Iridos | dpkg, no, xy is <reply> see xy problem |
| 10:31.39 | dpkg | Iridos: okay |
| 10:31.47 | Pumba | termens: there's nothing wrong with compiling a kernel on your own; the warranty shipped with debian will be void when using a custom kernel, though |
| 10:31.53 | simonlnu | doh! i just realised what the alias command in the plguin is for. |
| 10:31.54 | Iridos | I don't care if xy is also a boy |
| 10:32.10 | simonlnu | plug* |
| 10:32.24 | Bushmills | !build-essential |
| 10:32.24 | dpkg | from memory, build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 10:32.28 | simonlnu | Pumba: what warranty ? ;) |
| 10:32.30 | Bushmills | termens: ^^^ |
| 10:32.33 | termens | sorry, I do spend so much time and also for my poor vocabulary |
| 10:33.04 | Pumba | simonlnu: that people here or in other debian channels are willing/able to help (especially the first) |
| 10:33.27 | ne2k | termens: Debian is a distribution with all the tools you will need to compile the linux kernel. |
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| 10:33.45 | simonlnu | Pumba: ah ok |
| 10:34.33 | termens | ne2k, ok and thank you very much |
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| 10:34.53 | Pumba | termens: "8.6. Compiling a New Kernel" is the manual page's heading, I assume you will find your way around debian.org or google |
| 10:35.00 | ne2k | termens: to be honest, it would be a pretty ****ing useless piece of **** if it couldn't. |
| 10:35.18 | ne2k | termens: it would be a toy |
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| 10:35.41 | Pumba | have a nice afternoon everyone :) I've gotta leave |
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| 10:37.07 | ethanol | is there any way I can get iptables to log to a different log than syslog? or redirect the messages using rsyslog.conf somehow? |
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| 10:38.12 | ne2k | ethanol: this might be of help: http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1883 |
| 10:38.26 | Dirkos | I need a reliable way to track if a computer is connected with my server. So i was thinking about SMBSTATUS but what happens if a computer disconnects without shutting down? |
| 10:38.32 | Dirkos | anyone with experience with such things? |
| 10:39.27 | ethanol | I do not use bastille.. |
| 10:39.43 | ne2k | ethanol: you want a combination of --log-level and --log-prefix |
| 10:40.04 | ethanol | I have those |
| 10:40.06 | ne2k | ethanol: yeah, sorry, I realized it was specific to that after I'd sent it |
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| 10:40.58 | ne2k | ethanol: assuming you have other kernel debugging turned off, if you use the debug log level and redirect kern.debug to a specific file, it will all go in there |
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| 10:41.16 | ne2k | ethanol: if you have other kern.debug messages you discriminate using the prefix |
| 10:41.34 | ethanol | how can I do anything based on the prefix at all? |
| 10:41.49 | ne2k | ethanol: you can't. but you can look for it in the file |
| 10:42.05 | ne2k | ethanol: using grep |
| 10:42.08 | ethanol | meh |
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| 10:42.52 | ne2k | ethanol: or, try syslog-ng |
| 10:43.55 | ethanol | weird, rsyslog description also mentions " * filtering on any part of the syslog message" |
| 10:44.05 | ethanol | but no idea how one would configure that |
| 10:44.15 | ne2k | ethanol: I haven't heard of rsyslog, sorry, thought that was a typo ;-) |
| 10:44.26 | ethanol | rsyslog is default in debian squeeze.. |
| 10:44.32 | ethanol | /etc/rsyslog.conf |
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| 10:45.07 | ethanol | think it was default in lenny too already |
| 10:45.10 | ne2k | ethanol: I'm an imposter here, I use Ubuntu ;-) |
| 10:45.17 | ethanol | so do I, on my desktop |
| 10:45.30 | ethanol | http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/rsyslog_conf_filter.html |
| 10:45.32 | ethanol | I'll go read that |
| 10:45.33 | ethanol | o: |
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| 10:51.43 | Efazati | what is notify-send and how i can install it? (which pakage? ) |
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| 10:51.59 | ne2k | themill: I compiled the debs on a machine with a newer version of the tools and it worked fine |
| 10:52.05 | ne2k | themill: thanks for your assistance |
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| 10:52.21 | petemc | Efazati: libnotify-bin |
| 10:52.30 | Dirkos | Guys, what is the best way to check if 100 computers in the network are active or not ? |
| 10:53.14 | JPT | ping them or try to connect to a service that all of them have... |
| 10:53.24 | rozie | Dirkos: define 'active' |
| 10:53.26 | Dirkos | yeah well ping is way too slow |
| 10:53.33 | Dirkos | rozie: active as in "powered on" |
| 10:53.42 | JPT | ping is too slow? |
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| 10:53.51 | JPT | you're not using the right portscanner ;) |
| 10:53.51 | rozie | you need to check switch port, then |
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| 10:53.57 | Dirkos | yeah if i have to check 500 PCs with ping its too slow |
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| 10:54.32 | rozie | because powered on computer may not generate _any_ traffic, and can have all ports closed |
| 10:54.36 | Dirkos | i have to check at my website which computers are powered on and which arent |
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| 10:55.30 | Dirkos | rozie: is that the only way? I was thinking about smbstatus but that wont work as soon as the computer was killed if im right? |
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| 10:58.20 | larsl | When I get alerted about new updates and select the "Changes" tab under "Description of update", I always get "Downloading list of changes failed". |
| 10:58.34 | larsl | Anyone know what might be the problem with that? |
| 10:58.52 | larsl | (this is with the update-manager applet) |
| 10:58.54 | Dirkos | rozie: and u know a good tool that can do this the way you say? |
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| 11:37.45 | _Dave123_ | how to reboot a system if the command "reboot" under root user is not available? |
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| 11:37.54 | tvm | ctrl-alt-delete ? ;] |
| 11:38.07 | tvm | shutdown -r now |
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| 11:38.20 | c3l | okay this is strange, I log in to my remote box with ssh ... -Y, and I run a graphical program from this console, the program is started from localhost, ie not the box I just logged in to. but only for some programs, iceweasel in particular. how do I fix this? |
| 11:38.40 | tvm | init 6 should work too. |
| 11:38.42 | safalis | I have a problem connecting to a PPTP VPN windows when I try to connect I get "LCP: timeout sending config requests " and does not connect to the VPN |
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| 11:59.57 | Burps | hi : Ive compiled a new kernel, debian way, installed my new-created .deb, everything fine, update-grub, OK. Now, If I type reboot, it doesn't show the grub interface, and restarts the old kernel. While if I poweroff the box, when restarting, I have the BIOS appearing, then grub, and my new kernel is default. |
| 12:00.24 | Burps | why does the reboot not work the same way as poweroff ? |
| 12:00.36 | Burps | it seems it doesn't go far enough... |
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| 12:11.05 | Iridos | Burps, that's been annoying me, too... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kexec |
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| 12:12.49 | Iridos | Burps, I usually do reboot only to get to the boot menu and ... |
| 12:13.11 | Iridos | Burps, hm, now that I look at it, seems this is done by kexec-tools, so you only have to uninstall that package |
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| 12:14.50 | Iridos | Burps, and/or read /usr/share/doc/kexec-tools/README.Debian |
| 12:15.41 | Iridos | Burps, ----> dpkg-reconfigure kexec-tools (if you don't want to remove the package, which kdump-tools depends on) |
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| 12:18.39 | Burps | thanks Iridos |
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| 12:20.36 | Burps | Iridos: question : kexec-tools came with some kernel apps ? or with Kde ? |
| 12:21.02 | Burps | (don't remember the command to know which package edpends on what, etc..) |
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| 12:21.22 | Iridos | "apt-cache show kexec-tools" |
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| 12:22.04 | Iridos | err, I mean apt-cache rdepends kexec-tools |
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| 12:22.43 | Iridos | Burps, doesn't seem to come with anything... I got it via kdump-tools, I think, which I (probably) installed when I got kernel panics repeated ly |
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| 12:23.34 | sep | kexec as well should boot the new kernel if it was configured correctly. |
| 12:24.00 | Burps | yep, it was configured to boot the old one |
| 12:24.09 | sep | think it uses the vmlinuz and initrd symlinks in / as default |
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| 12:24.34 | Iridos | hm, allright |
| 12:24.39 | Burps | on my setup, it might have come with makedumpfile |
| 12:24.41 | Iridos | I can't remember why it annoyed me, actually... |
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| 12:25.05 | Iridos | perhaps I wanted to boot into windows that is on some partition |
| 12:25.11 | Iridos | that was probably it... |
| 12:25.23 | Iridos | I don't usually reboot ever, just hibernate instead |
| 12:25.44 | Iridos | and it's definitely not giving you the choice to boot into another OS |
| 12:26.02 | Burps | sep, you're right, I have /vmlinu and /initrd that are links to my old kernel... |
| 12:26.44 | Iridos | (and I perhaps need to boot into windows once every couple of years) |
| 12:27.12 | sep | guess you need do_symlinks = yes ; in kernel-img.conf then ; if you are going to depend on those symlinks beeing correct |
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| 12:28.03 | sep | Iridos, it wont'' that's the whole point of kexec. faster reboots. just edit /etc/default/kexec if you need to do a full reboot |
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| 12:28.59 | sep | actualy you dont need to edit anything. |
| 12:29.06 | sep | coldreboot will reboot without kexec |
| 12:29.08 | Iridos | sep, I already pointed out, you can do "dpkg-reconfigure kexec-tools" |
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| 12:50.15 | skutr34 | babilen: you there? |
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| 12:56.11 | streuner | dpkg, seen babilen |
| 12:56.11 | dpkg | babilen is currently on #debian, last said: '!tell tuhin about debian live'. |
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| 12:58.03 | skutr34 | streuner: thanks, if that was for me... im just going to reinstall debian |
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| 13:00.02 | MrFrood | wonders what skutr34 broke? |
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| 13:00.27 | jeybop | hi, I have some trouble when I try to access PMU counters. I am using 2.6.32 image, and PAPI doesn't work |
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| 13:00.33 | jeybop | here dmesg |
| 13:00.37 | abrotman | !paste |
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| 13:01.00 | jeybop | Performance Events: no PMU driver, software events only. |
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| 13:01.22 | jeybop | tks abrotman ^^ |
| 13:01.58 | jeybop | and strace gives me that: |
| 13:01.59 | jeybop | perf_event_open(0x8766f7c, 0, 0xffffffff, 0xffffffff, 0) = -1 ENODEV (No such device) |
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| 13:03.06 | kenifanying | hi all, Is there a way to display image in console? |
| 13:03.25 | MrFrood | kenifanying: fbi |
| 13:04.13 | kenifanying | MrFrood,Thanks, i will try it later. |
| 13:04.30 | MrFrood | kenifanying: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/fbi |
| 13:05.48 | Iridos | looks up PMU |
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| 13:07.10 | kenifanying | MrFrood, I try sudo aptitude install fbi, and get this:http://paste.debian.net/112522/ |
| 13:07.28 | kenifanying | why? |
| 13:08.26 | censor | hi all |
| 13:08.48 | MrFrood | no idea - normally such a message would indicate you don't have the debian keyring installed |
| 13:08.54 | envirocbr | rrrr |
| 13:08.55 | envirocbr | errr |
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| 13:09.55 | censor | what would be the preferred way to include crontabs from a dynamic amount of directories, something like /srv/www/*/crontab (for including from /srv/www/example.com/crontab, /srv/www/example.net/crontab, etc) |
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| 13:12.43 | daemonkeeper | Is there something special to do, when recovering a broken LVM setup? The kernel drops me into a initramfs busybox shell, I can do "vgchange -aly" which detects my disks, but I can't mount them, all I get is "No such File or Directory" |
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| 13:13.30 | raz | ehm.. did the package "puppet" somehow disappear from lenny? |
| 13:14.17 | abrotman | judd: versions puppet |
| 13:14.19 | judd | Package puppet on i386 -- lenny: 0.24.5-3; lenny-backports: 2.6.2-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.2-4; squeeze-backports: 2.6.6-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.6.6-1; sid: 2.6.7-1 |
| 13:14.22 | abrotman | nope, just you |
| 13:14.36 | raz | hmm wtf |
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| 13:14.48 | redguy | daemonkeeper: vgscan --mknodes ? |
| 13:15.16 | babilen | !tell raz -about show sources.list |
| 13:15.21 | daemonkeeper | I have no vgscan in initramfs, the /dev/dm-X are there though. |
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| 13:15.34 | abrotman | babilen: is "put your sources.list in paste.debian.net" so hard that you need a factoid? :) |
| 13:15.38 | babilen | raz: plus the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy puppet" should be educational |
| 13:15.44 | kevinmoilar | hi. can someone help me mount an encrypted usb disk on a newly installed squeeze? i get 'sdc unknown partition table'. I'm new to debian, please excuse if this is a silly question. |
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| 13:15.48 | raz | babilen: yes i'm looking there.. it seems i had installed puppet from backports before, and now it's somehow confused |
| 13:16.10 | babilen | abrotman: No, but that factoid covers sources in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ too |
| 13:16.27 | abrotman | i was kidding .. i know |
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| 13:17.12 | babilen | raz: The complete "aptitude install puppet" run (or whatever you are doing) would be interesting too |
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| 13:18.54 | raz | aaah |
| 13:18.57 | raz | it's pinned! it's pinned! |
| 13:18.58 | MrFrood | kenifanying: also take a look at fim http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/fim |
| 13:18.59 | raz | damnit |
| 13:19.20 | raz | the apt conf could kinda use a small overhaul, there's so much stuff in so many different files ;) |
| 13:20.01 | babilen | raz: hence the "apt-cache policy{, puppet}" question -- glad you figured it out. :) |
| 13:20.22 | raz | babilen: yea thx for that one |
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| 13:20.54 | raz | ehm |
| 13:20.58 | raz | what is the comment char in the preferences file |
| 13:21.10 | raz | tried # // ; |
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| 13:22.36 | raz | argh.. it can't be commented? |
| 13:22.38 | justin | raz: man apt_preferences ? |
| 13:22.38 | raz | facepalms |
| 13:22.45 | raz | justin: no mention there |
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| 13:22.59 | justin | man apt_preferences|grep comment |
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| 13:23.05 | justin | sure about that? |
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| 13:23.13 | raz | so.. to comment out that file |
| 13:23.19 | raz | i'm supposed to prefix all lines with "Explanation: "? |
| 13:23.27 | kenifanying | MrFrood,thanks |
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| 13:23.44 | raz | really, looking at that /etc/apt/* mess, that's not the debian i started with |
| 13:23.53 | justin | raz: why would you comment out an entire file? |
| 13:24.06 | raz | someone should must all that crap into at most two files, both with sensible syntax |
| 13:24.17 | raz | justin: because i had something pinned, now i don't need it anymore but would like to keep it in there for reference |
| 13:24.24 | raz | yes, i can rename the file, no this is not pretty |
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| 13:24.33 | abrotman | make it unreadable ? |
| 13:24.40 | justin | probably should have thought of that before you started pinning packages? |
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| 13:25.01 | raz | justin: true, i should thought of that before i was born |
| 13:25.16 | raz | heck, i should have planned for this day back when god created the universe |
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| 13:25.28 | justin | there is one file: /etc/apt/sources.list you shouldn't have to touch anything else |
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| 13:25.47 | raz | justin: oh.. why do all these other files exist then? |
| 13:25.54 | justin | what files? |
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| 13:26.44 | raz | preferences{.d}, apt.conf{.d}, listchanges.conf |
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| 13:27.59 | justin | preferences.d is empty by default. apt.conf.d contains some package specific configurations. listchanges.conf is from apt-listchanges |
| 13:28.06 | justin | none of which you would ever need to touch |
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| 13:28.23 | raz | in isolation it's a small thing, but this stuff is moving into a worrying direction with regard to bloat and "what the fuck does it do".. cf. apt-get vs aptitude |
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| 13:29.09 | raz | stop that "ever need to touch" strawman. if nobody ever needed to touch them then why do they exist. |
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| 13:29.45 | justin | for example, /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20listchanges comes from apt-listchanges |
| 13:29.56 | daemonkeeper | redguy: I just realized, vg* is just an alias for "lvm <subcommand>", so "lvm vgscan --mknodes" works. Still not able to mount the volume though. |
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| 13:30.34 | redguy | daemonkeeper: what did you mean by 'broken LVM setup' ? |
| 13:30.40 | justin | do you need that file? only if you installed apt-listchanges. Do you ever need to modify or even look at that file? no |
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| 13:31.08 | raz | justin: well, right now i'm really just annoyed at having a retarded file format for 'preferences' |
| 13:31.28 | kenifanying | MrFrood,I run sudo aptitude update, then sudo aptitude full-upgrade, now, no waring when i run sudo aptitude install fbi, thanks for your help. |
| 13:32.15 | daemonkeeper | redguy: I renamed my volume group and forgot to update grub. This won't work obviously upon the next reboot (well, now). So I need to mount the root file system and change /etc/fstab from initramfs. As said, I could not manage to access the root file system yet though. |
| 13:33.09 | daemonkeeper | (And I forgot to edit /etc/fstab) |
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| 13:33.13 | justin | daemonkeeper: you need vgchange -ay I think too |
| 13:33.17 | daemonkeeper | I did |
| 13:33.30 | justin | you did both? |
| 13:33.51 | daemonkeeper | Yes. As said, lvm tells me the volume groups are active, symlinks exist, /dev/dm-X exists. |
| 13:34.06 | justin | volume groups != logical volumes |
| 13:34.10 | daemonkeeper | Ehm |
| 13:34.11 | daemonkeeper | Ye |
| 13:34.20 | daemonkeeper | Nonetheless, volumes are active as well |
| 13:34.24 | justin | ok :) |
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| 13:35.05 | redguy | daemonkeeper: so when do you encounter the error? when mounting? |
| 13:35.11 | daemonkeeper | Yep. |
| 13:35.20 | daemonkeeper | Upon mount I get "no such file or directory" |
| 13:35.39 | justin | what command did you run? |
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| 13:35.56 | redguy | daemonkeeper: yes, paste the mount command |
| 13:36.36 | daemonkeeper | I can't paste, as I'm in initramfs. Tried: mkdir /mnt; mount /dev/vgname/volname /mnt but also mount /dev/dm-1 /mnt (which is the root volume) |
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| 13:37.31 | cantoma2 | hey guys, I am using debian squeeze, I am having problems in kile or least say "version 1:2.1.0~svn1112278beta4-2" that is available in squeeze repositories. The problem is reported in a debian bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=604559. Is it possible to downgrade to lenny version 1:2.0.1-1 using for that apt-get commands?? |
| 13:38.02 | cantoma2 | 's/least/lets/' |
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| 13:40.04 | redguy | daemonkeeper: hmm, so you are positive that /dev/dm-1 and /mnt exist? very odd :/ perhaps mount -v will shed some light ? |
| 13:41.22 | ali3n0 | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Linux-distributions-to-include-run-directory-1219006.html |
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| 13:42.47 | daemonkeeper | No, -v doesn't give a helpful hint, neither does dmesg. http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/2730/doc2.png (is a screen shot - please appreciate my brilliant Windows in VirtualBox to access DELL DRAC Internet Explorer crap setup) |
| 13:44.39 | ali3n0 | appreciates |
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| 13:46.55 | redguy | daemonkeeper: its really odd, so lets approach from a different angle |
| 13:47.06 | ali3n0 | daemonkeeper, how are you booting into that shell? |
| 13:47.09 | redguy | daemonkeeper: how about renaming the vg back to what it was initially ? |
| 13:47.39 | redguy | daemonkeeper: it wouldn't make things worse, would it? |
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| 13:48.07 | daemonkeeper | ali3n0: the kernel drops me into it, since it can't find the root file system (I renamed the volume group). I can provide the right root= argument, but that still fails because of the dangling references in /etc/fstab |
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| 13:48.13 | daemonkeeper | redguy: good idea |
| 13:48.33 | justin | daemonkeeper: did you try mount /dev/dm-1 /mnt ? |
| 13:48.35 | ali3n0 | I support redguy idea too |
| 13:48.43 | daemonkeeper | justin: Yep |
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| 13:49.25 | ali3n0 | daemonkeeper, can't you boot a live distro such as grml or such and mount those disks? |
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| 13:50.13 | cinex | hi folks. I have the most recent recent stable version of debian isntalled and I wondered if wireless N should work out of the box? (ath9k driver) or do I need to do something to get it to see wireless N networks? |
| 13:50.25 | justin | daemonkeeper: and /mnt exists right? |
| 13:50.33 | daemonkeeper | justin: Yep, see screen shot as well. |
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| 13:50.35 | justin | daemonkeeper: the busybox mount doesn't really differentiate |
| 13:50.41 | justin | ah |
| 13:50.44 | ali3n0 | justin, yep you can see from the pasted screenshot |
| 13:50.57 | daemonkeeper | Well, in theory yes. Practically the DRAC is a pain, failed to install the virtual media plugin so far. DELL's DRAC 5 is nothing but crap |
| 13:51.11 | daemonkeeper | Anyway, tried to rename the volume group back. |
| 13:51.20 | Iridos | judd, versions chromium-browser |
| 13:51.22 | judd | Package chromium-browser on i386 -- squeeze: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze4; squeeze-security: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze4; wheezy: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze4; sid: 10.0.648.204~r79063-1 |
| 13:51.24 | redguy | and ? |
| 13:51.31 | ali3n0 | .... |
| 13:51.41 | daemonkeeper | Still rebooting, PowerEdges take ages to boot |
| 13:52.15 | justin | I forget why busybox mount would say that a device does not exist that clearly does |
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| 13:52.38 | pipeline | daemonkeeper: DRAC 5 was competitive with other LOM consoles of the day. Yep, it sucks. But it sucks less bad than the competition. |
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| 13:53.05 | pipeline | daemonkeeper: The reason your PowerEdge takes forever to boot is that unlike most consumer trash hardware, the firmware comes configured to do a real power on self test, you know, POST, that thing that consumer PCs don't bother with anymore :P |
| 13:53.06 | justin | you can at least get SSH working on some of the drac cards |
| 13:53.55 | justin | pipeline: poweredges mostly take forever because after the POST, it loads the BMC stuff, pauses for a few seconds, then it loads the drac stuff, pauses for a few seconds, loads the raid controller, pauses for a few seconds... |
| 13:54.02 | pipeline | I'm not exactly thrilled with the triumph of commodity trash hardware, but as commodity hardware goes, Dell really goes the extra mile to do it right |
| 13:54.15 | pipeline | justin: that's an unavoidable consequence of having a whole bunch of option ROMs. Blame Intel/IBM. |
| 13:54.15 | daemonkeeper | pipeline: Its just annoying you need this crippled VNC plugin which works in i386 and Firefox 1.5 only to get the console viewer. This is why I was just annoyed and installed Windows in a VM (still media manager it won't work with Internet Explorer 8 ...) |
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| 13:54.36 | redguy | daemonkeeper: yeah, I find fujitsu-siemens iRMC much worse |
| 13:54.44 | pipeline | daemonkeeper: ISTR drac 5 had a java-based console that was better than the weird little plugin in every possible way. |
| 13:54.53 | daemonkeeper | pipeline: nope, that's RAC 6 |
| 13:54.55 | daemonkeeper | *DRAC |
| 13:55.01 | daemonkeeper | DRAC 5 is VNC based |
| 13:55.05 | pipeline | daemonkeeper: yeah, DRAC 6 has it, but I'm pretty sure DRAC 5 had the java version also |
| 13:55.11 | pipeline | daemonkeeper: DRAC 4 definitely did not |
| 13:55.26 | daemonkeeper | redguy: That did the trick! Good idea. |
| 13:55.33 | redguy | \o/ |
| 13:56.04 | daemonkeeper | pipeline: DRAC 6 woks fairly well, 5 and even worse 4 ... |
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| 13:56.19 | psilikon | How do I know when a apt-get upgrade is going to require me to rebuild kernel modules? |
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| 13:56.42 | psilikon | I use some sangoma T1 hardware that uses kernel modules. |
| 13:57.08 | simonlnu | !dkms |
| 13:57.08 | dpkg | Dynamic Kernel Module Support (DKMS) is a framework for generating out-of-tree Linux kernel modules. Packages using DKMS build modules during installation and when updated Linux versions are installed, provided Linux headers are present (these are not installed by dkms). DKMS-managed modules are installed to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/ . The module build log file can be found at /var/lib/dkms/$module/$version/build/make.log |
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| 14:00.27 | daemonkeeper | Now let's make things right this time. Thanks a lot, redguy. Sometimes the easiest ideas are the hardest to come in mind. |
| 14:01.00 | ali3n0 | daemonkeeper, can I ask why you needed to change the vg name? |
| 14:01.16 | simonlnu | for S&G |
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| 14:01.30 | redguy | daemonkeeper: you're welcome |
| 14:01.57 | daemonkeeper | Uniformity. Its just boring have dozens of identical systems where things are not identical. |
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| 14:02.15 | daemonkeeper | That sentence was a bit strange, but I think you get me. |
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| 14:02.21 | ali3n0 | daemonkeeper, got it |
| 14:02.24 | simonlnu | trying |
| 14:02.49 | ali3n0 | I ask because actually once I wanted to change a vg name than I preferred to avoid the pain :) |
| 14:03.14 | ali3n0 | can't remember why though |
| 14:03.28 | daemonkeeper | Actually its rather easy unless you forget to think about boot time things, like I did. |
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| 14:04.28 | ali3n0 | so if you've no lvm mounted on / you can just rename it? |
| 14:05.07 | daemonkeeper | You can do it on a mounted file system as well, the name doesn't matter. But you *have* to hink about /etc/fstab and initrd afterwards. |
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| 14:05.29 | ali3n0 | ok I'll keep in mind |
| 14:06.04 | daemonkeeper | The name does matter only for mounting (i.e. mapping). Linux won't care about the name of the volume (group). |
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| 14:14.14 | gribouille | hi |
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| 14:14.17 | Meelu | i am getting "perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). |
| 14:14.17 | Meelu | " |
| 14:14.34 | justin | Meelu: install locales? |
| 14:14.47 | daemonkeeper | For the records, tried it now and succeeded: Renaming a volume group with the root file system on it works seamless: vgrename foo bar; Replace names in /etc/fstab; update-initramfs -u -k all; update-grub. |
| 14:15.04 | gribouille | how can I modify the charset of a tty ? |
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| 14:15.55 | justin | daemonkeeper: so what went wrong the first time? |
| 14:16.01 | ali3n0 | daemonkeeper, tnx for the update |
| 14:16.26 | daemonkeeper | justin: As said before, forgot everything afte vgrename, i.e. update references in grub and fstab :) |
| 14:16.28 | ali3n0 | justin, I think he forgot to edit /etc/fstab and following |
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| 14:17.02 | justin | daemonkeeper: ohh, you could have probably just changed the root=/dev/blah in the grub interface to get it to boot |
| 14:17.12 | justin | no need to mess with the initramfs |
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| 14:17.39 | daemonkeeper | justin: No, that works for the root file system, but not for /etc/fstab references, i.e. swap and so on. Tried that, that still dropped me into initramfs' busybox |
| 14:17.49 | Meelu | i tried "dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:17.49 | Meelu | " it said locals broken or not installed, somethig like that, now i am doing apt-get install locales |
| 14:17.49 | Meelu | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.45 | justin | daemonkeeper: swap not being present shouldn't drop you into a shell... |
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| 14:19.08 | justin | though it's been a while since I broke my root filesystem :) |
| 14:19.27 | justin | that's why these days I just put / on a 5 G partitin or so and use the rest of the drive for lvm, a lot less goes wrong that way |
| 14:19.27 | daemonkeeper | justin: It did. Technically there is reason to do, but I guess, since mount -a failed, it screwed up things. |
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| 14:19.43 | daemonkeeper | *there is NO reason to do |
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| 14:21.25 | ali3n0 | I've been using /boot on a dedicated partition and all the rest on LVM for quite a while with no problems, but I think I've been lucky :) |
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| 14:22.00 | daemonkeeper | that's the setup on the server as well. |
| 14:22.08 | pipeline | LVM is the greatest thing since sliced bread |
| 14:22.23 | ali3n0 | agrees |
| 14:22.42 | daemonkeeper | Well, ZFS is still better than LVM + btrfs :) |
| 14:22.45 | ali3n0 | daemonkeeper, yep I think is a quite common template |
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| 14:22.58 | ali3n0 | daemonkeeper, never had the pleasure to play with it yet |
| 14:23.12 | daemonkeeper | ali3n0: Try Debian kfreebsd |
| 14:23.28 | ali3n0 | I've got a freebsd 8.2 but no time to play with it :( |
| 14:23.50 | ali3n0 | and no, kfreebsd wasn't yet out there when I went for freebsd |
| 14:24.50 | pipeline | LVM can do things that ZFS cannot |
| 14:24.53 | daemonkeeper | kfreebsd still has some serious bugs to get ZFS working, but if you know about those, you can get through. Avantage is, looks and feelds like Debian, but still has a FreeBSD kernel and therefore ZFS. |
| 14:24.55 | pipeline | and ZFS will never be a part of mainstream linux |
| 14:25.01 | justin | pipeline: never say never. |
| 14:25.12 | daemonkeeper | I tend to agree with pipeline. |
| 14:25.22 | pipeline | justin: it will never be profitable for larry, prince of darkness, to relicense, ergo it will never be a part of mainstream linux. |
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| 14:25.29 | justin | yeah, I have a opensolaris box at home for ZFS, which as soon as I get a chance will be running debian/kfreebsd |
| 14:25.31 | pipeline | justin: oracle is not sun. They are very predictably rational people :) |
| 14:25.43 | ali3n0 | ahah right |
| 14:26.01 | justin | oracle was also sponsoring BTRFS, so for all you know they will just merge the effort and bring zfs to linux |
| 14:26.06 | justin | never say never :-P |
| 14:26.09 | ali3n0 | anyway, why all this fuzz about ZFS daemonkeeper ? |
| 14:26.11 | router | hey guys im doing a netinstall of sqeeze and i was installing the graphical interface and it looks like its frozen |
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| 14:26.26 | router | i cant tell though |
| 14:26.47 | justin | router: does control-alt-f1 work? |
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| 14:26.50 | ali3n0 | router, press alt+f2 -> alt+f4 and check for errors |
| 14:27.05 | router | one sec |
| 14:27.06 | router | ok |
| 14:27.13 | router | oh |
| 14:27.22 | justin | if he is using the graphical installer he needs control-alt |
| 14:27.32 | router | hahah it started going again |
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| 14:27.55 | ali3n0 | didn't know about a graphical interface! |
| 14:27.59 | daemonkeeper | ali3n0: Because ZFS has great features. Deduplication, load balancing, embedded versioning/volume management on file system level, file system synchronization over the network, cache devices and so on. |
| 14:28.04 | router | it was in the retrieving file stage and looked like it was stuck |
| 14:28.21 | router | ali3n0: i said i was installing the graphical interface |
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| 14:28.44 | ali3n0 | daemonkeeper, I see, I guess it gets more important when you have to deal with big data |
| 14:29.00 | daemonkeeper | ali3n0: Yep, For my home usage I don't need it. :) |
| 14:29.03 | router | so how is squeeze? |
| 14:29.33 | ali3n0 | daemonkeeper, eheh yeah, even for my normal business usage it still looks a bit overkill |
| 14:29.54 | electricvb | OK |
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| 14:30.15 | daemonkeeper | ali3n0: But it is a great improvement for all kinds of storages, starting from iSCSI/SAN over data base backends to virtualization. |
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| 14:30.41 | lusotux | router, it is great |
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| 14:31.01 | router | lusotux: good to hear |
| 14:31.09 | router | im almost done installed |
| 14:31.12 | lusotux | ;) |
| 14:31.15 | router | installing* |
| 14:31.25 | ali3n0 | router, wrong place to ask for an impartial answer :) |
| 14:31.36 | lusotux | :D |
| 14:31.44 | lusotux | how said anything abount impartial ???? |
| 14:31.44 | router | i was just wondering.... :) |
| 14:31.44 | lusotux | :D |
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| 14:31.59 | lusotux | i meant who ... |
| 14:32.20 | router | I've tried Fedora |
| 14:32.25 | router | and Ubuntu |
| 14:32.45 | router | but niether of them float my boat if you willl |
| 14:33.02 | karlpinc | router: New to debian? The following may be useful: |
| 14:33.03 | crond | well, I recommend LFS. |
| 14:33.04 | karlpinc | !overview |
| 14:33.04 | dpkg | Debian stable does not always include all the software people need or want so there is much official, semi-official, and non-official software available for stable. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware . Ask me about <security>, <installer firmware>, <backports>, <squeeze-updates>, <multimedia>, <non-free>, <contrib>, <emdebian>, <debian live>. See also <grounding>, <social contract>. |
| 14:33.28 | router | karlpinc: thanks |
| 14:33.49 | karlpinc | router: fyi: |
| 14:33.55 | karlpinc | !tell router about msg the bot |
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| 14:34.30 | router | karlpinc: good to know |
| 14:35.06 | router | is there a GUI software center or add/remove software program in debian? |
| 14:35.26 | karlpinc | router: It's called synaptic. |
| 14:35.30 | router | or is it just synaptic |
| 14:35.35 | Zharf | synaptic I guess |
| 14:35.37 | router | oh so theres only synaptic? |
| 14:35.40 | router | hmmm |
| 14:35.47 | router | i guess thats alrigth |
| 14:35.52 | router | alright* |
| 14:35.55 | karlpinc | router: Mostly if you ask here people will give you aptitude command lines to type, because that's a _lot_ easier than trying to tell you what buttons to press. |
| 14:36.02 | router | yeah |
| 14:36.13 | Bushmills | nope, there are more. but quality differs. most people seem to use the curses- or command line package management tools |
| 14:36.18 | karlpinc | router: You may also want to see the <debtags> and <search> factoids. |
| 14:36.19 | justin | dpkg: info software-center |
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| 14:36.56 | dpkg | software-center: (Utility for browsing, installing, and removing applications), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.0.7debian7 (sid), Packaged size: 486 kB, Installed size: 2188 kB |
| 14:37.16 | gribouille | how can I modify the charset of a tty ? |
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| 14:38.02 | router | justin: how would i install this software center through the command line? |
| 14:38.03 | Bushmills | gribouille: you happen to have frame buffer console? |
| 14:38.19 | gribouille | Bushmills, no |
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| 14:38.58 | justin | router: aptitude install software-center? |
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| 14:39.23 | router | justin: ok thanks... like i said im new... :) |
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| 14:40.15 | bartzy|away | Can I manually compress a /var/log/mail.log.1 , and when logrotate will rotate it it will know not to compress the already-compressed file ? |
| 14:40.30 | karlpinc | gribouille: There might be something in: zless /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.26/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt.gz (you'll have to install the linux-doc package) |
| 14:41.08 | Bushmills | bartzy|away: instead you can set up logrotate to leave the logifle.1 in compressed state already |
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| 14:42.06 | bartzy|away | Bushmills: Why is that not the default btw ? |
| 14:42.11 | Bushmills | check out delaycompress in logrotate man page |
| 14:42.25 | Bushmills | because it is an option in logrotate config files |
| 14:42.36 | bartzy|away | Bushmills: Yeah, but it's a default on many logrotate configs... why ? |
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| 14:43.03 | Bushmills | "why not" .. because the a maintainer of a packages has chosen to add delaycompress to the logrotate handler |
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| 14:43.46 | bartzy|away | Bushmills: OK, so I'll change it, but I need the space now, can I compress logfile.1 manually ? |
| 14:43.56 | Bushmills | yes |
| 14:44.05 | bartzy|away | and logrotate will know not to compress it again ? |
| 14:44.14 | Bushmills | but i think compressing needs additional temporary space |
| 14:44.21 | Chotaz | Hey everyone I'm having a problem with Samba4 on Debian, when I try to add a server to samba with './provision' i get the following error: 'rndc: connection to remote host closed' |
| 14:44.33 | jelly | bartzy|away: some apps have a tendency not to release the log file right away when they're asked to, and keep writing to the renamed foo.1 for a short time after being given the signal to reopen the log file. |
| 14:44.38 | gribouille | karlpinc, are these parameters compile time parameters ? |
| 14:44.47 | jelly | bartzy|away: this is the reason for delaycompress |
| 14:45.24 | Bushmills | jelly, usually those programs get reloaded from logrotate, when it rotates log to log.1 |
| 14:45.51 | bartzy|away | So is it safe or not safe to avoid delaycompress for all log files ? |
| 14:46.02 | Bushmills | yes, safe. |
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| 14:46.07 | gribouille | can I modify the file /sys/module/vt/parameters/default_utf8 ? |
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| 14:46.26 | Bushmills | (reloading program if needed assumed) |
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| 14:47.19 | bartzy|away | Bushmills: So I'm assuming package maintainers are doing a reload when necessary, to avoid the problem jelly described... I love assumptions :p thanks for your help |
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| 14:48.28 | Bushmills | yes, you can assume that, as otherwise that would count as bug |
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| 14:50.56 | karlpinc | gribouille: No. |
| 14:51.12 | karlpinc | gribouille: (Not compile time parameters.) |
| 14:51.50 | gribouille | I modified the file /sys/module/vt/parameters/default_utf8, but it didn't change anything |
| 14:51.58 | karlpinc | gribouille: I don't know if you can modify that file. You might consider dpkg-reconfigure locale instead. |
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| 14:54.54 | gribouille | karlpinc, it just generates the locales |
| 14:55.21 | Meelu | someone plz help my /etc/locale.def and /etc/environment files are empty for some reason |
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| 14:56.16 | justin | Meelu: /etc/environment is empty by default |
| 14:56.31 | justin | and I don't have an /etc/locale.def on any of my machines |
| 14:56.36 | Meelu | what about the other one? |
| 14:56.55 | jelly | Bushmills: and that reload is the part where the delay happens |
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| 14:57.14 | babilen | Meelu: What do you need them for? |
| 14:57.20 | Bushmills | jelly, afaik, reload happens after rotate |
| 14:57.26 | Meelu | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=138022 over here it told me to edit it justin, due to the problem i am experiencing |
| 14:57.38 | babilen | Ubuntu != Debian |
| 14:57.44 | justin | no |
| 14:57.58 | justin | install locales and or dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 14:58.04 | jelly | Bushmills: yes. |
| 14:58.32 | Bushmills | at which point the program hopefully knows nothing about any log.1.* anymore |
| 14:58.52 | Meelu | justin i did that |
| 14:59.03 | jelly | the program knows about fds and may still be writing to the old one |
| 14:59.06 | jelly | for a while |
| 14:59.41 | Meelu | it did not help |
| 14:59.47 | Bushmills | unlikely. the files are close, and reopened |
| 14:59.50 | Bushmills | closed |
| 14:59.59 | jelly | Bushmills: this is not an atomic operation. |
| 15:00.51 | jelly | (not necessarily) |
| 15:01.05 | Bushmills | bug |
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| 15:02.26 | Meelu | so does anyone know what i can do? i am still getting errors because my locales have not been configured but i did install and reconfigure |
| 15:02.37 | jelly | Bushmills: not really. |
| 15:02.42 | sud0su | tes |
| 15:02.49 | justin | Meelu: reconfigure again, select locales |
| 15:03.03 | Meelu | i did man |
| 15:03.15 | babilen | Meelu: Could you paste the output of "locale" and "locales -a" to http://paste.debian.net please |
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| 15:04.17 | babilen | Meelu: make that "locale -a" :) |
| 15:05.23 | jelly | Bushmills: typically an init script reload action may send a HUP signal to the daemon. There's often no guarantee that the action is immediate and finished before the init script action is finished; init script does not wait for the daemon to respond "yes I've reloaded everything" |
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| 15:05.53 | lorimar | trying to update apt-get's sources on an old woody server that I just took over, but i'm not having any luck. http://pastebin.com/rzz0c3AY |
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| 15:06.00 | jelly | Bushmills: for services like these, it's not safe to use nodelaycompress |
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| 15:06.19 | babilen | lorimar: woody? wow, zombies from the past :) |
| 15:06.23 | babilen | !tell lorimar about woody |
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| 15:06.31 | babilen | !tell lorimar about woody sources.list |
| 15:06.37 | Meelu | babilen "locale -a" is full of the locales i downloaded which was all of them, here is "locale" output the one with the bs http://paste2.org/p/1336974 |
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| 15:07.09 | lorimar | heh, yeah. apparently there are even older systems still running here too |
| 15:07.24 | babilen | lorimar: I would either upgrade that server to *at least* lenny or just install squeeze on it. |
| 15:07.30 | Bushmills | jelly, while the program reloads, there's probably little to log. |
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| 15:08.08 | Meelu | all of my locales are set to POSIX |
| 15:08.32 | Meelu | cure for that? |
| 15:08.33 | babilen | set them to, for example, en_GB.utf8 |
| 15:08.39 | abrotman | Meelu: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 15:08.53 | Meelu | please dont tell me to reconfigure again, it takes ages anddoesn't help |
| 15:08.57 | babilen | Meelu: And you *really* should run "dpkg- --- what abrotman said |
| 15:09.02 | Meelu | how do i edit to locale file? |
| 15:09.06 | Meelu | IT DOES NOT HELP... |
| 15:09.14 | abrotman | did you logout/login ? |
| 15:09.17 | abrotman | did you change the default? |
| 15:09.23 | babilen | Meelu: You don't have to select *all* locales. Just select what you need and set the default one to a sensible value |
| 15:09.45 | Meelu | i didn't, sure but i have them all now and when i selected the one i wanted it didnt help did this like 5 times now |
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| 15:09.53 | Meelu | how do i edit the locale file? |
| 15:09.58 | jelly | Bushmills: only very simple services stop everything they're doing immediately just because they're sent a SIGHUP; that might make current sessions/connections quite unhappy |
| 15:10.07 | Meelu | i want to do it manually now its taking forever cant run anything |
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| 15:10.33 | babilen | Meelu: Don't select/generate all locales then. |
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| 15:10.50 | Meelu | same problem im getting as this guyi think http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=330500 |
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| 15:11.12 | Meelu | babilen^ i did different options before ufcourse didn't help |
| 15:11.44 | Bushmills | jelly, i maintain that in that case, there'll be bts tickets of "urgent - this and that service corrupts my log.1.gz" |
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| 15:12.30 | jelly | Bushmills: that's silly |
| 15:12.45 | babilen | Meelu: sorry, telephone ... bbl |
| 15:13.14 | Bushmills | why, because of a silent agreement that log file corruption doesn't count as bug? |
| 15:13.57 | jelly | Bushmills: that's exactly why their default logrotate files explicitely include a delaycompress instruction |
| 15:14.23 | jelly | Bushmills: it's a classic race condition, and inside a nontrivial service it might be a hard problem to solve. It's nothing urgent |
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| 15:17.30 | cylinc | the $finger doesn't print the user who is login through 'su - useranme' in gnome-terminal, is this right? |
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| 15:21.09 | Meelu | my /etc/default/locale says LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 15:21.09 | Meelu | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:21.18 | Meelu | still waitin for some help here.. |
| 15:21.25 | Meelu | googled without luck |
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| 15:23.19 | geegeegee | the user called "sys" shouldnt have a hash near it in /etc/shadow right? |
| 15:23.44 | fbs | geegeegee: i dont think so |
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| 15:25.21 | abrotman | Meelu: /etc/environment ? |
| 15:25.26 | Meelu | empty |
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| 15:28.09 | envirocbr | Meelu: What is the goal you are looking to accomplish? |
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| 15:28.33 | jeward | So, I have this squeeze box that has udev installed but no /sbin/vol_id? How does that happen? |
| 15:29.28 | Bushmills | there's no package with /sbin/vol_id |
| 15:29.51 | jeward | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/udev/filelist lists it in it's contents? |
| 15:30.01 | jeward | Did it go away in squeeze? |
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| 15:30.26 | Meelu | envirocbr, if u look at my previous messages my locals are fd up http://paste2.org/p/1337038 im getting when running apt-get |
| 15:31.08 | Bushmills | udevadm and udev are the only executables in /sbin, provided by udev |
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| 15:32.23 | jeward | Bushmills: Hmmm. |
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| 15:33.12 | jeward | Bushmills: looks like it definitely went away with squeeze. |
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| 15:36.53 | Bushmills | geegeegee: set permissions and group ownership |
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| 15:41.36 | yoshio | Meelu: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 15:42.10 | Meelu | yoshio I DID THAT 5 times people keep tellibng me to do that, anything else you can recommend? this is fucked up man no one can help me# |
| 15:42.23 | smacnay | I am using the University of Waterloo mirror and get the following error (started today) when I try to update the sources list: |
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| 15:42.28 | smacnay | http://paste.debian.net/112541/ |
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| 15:42.47 | smacnay | Any suggestions on how to address this? |
| 15:43.06 | Meelu | now its downloading all the locales again yoshio |
| 15:43.10 | Meelu | again# |
| 15:43.16 | abrotman | smacnay: try another mirror ? |
| 15:45.01 | babilen | Meelu: I see that everything that pops into my mind has been tried. Could you paste the output of "env" please? (Make sure that no personal data is compromised though) |
| 15:45.18 | babilen | Meelu: Which version of Debian is this btw? |
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| 15:46.22 | Meelu | babilen http://paste2.org/p/1337057 |
| 15:46.55 | Meelu | 5.0.8 |
| 15:46.59 | smacnay | abrotman, that is what I will do - I switched from the US source to the U Waterloo and all worked for a week or son until yesterday. I was trying to get the updates a little closer to home (U Waterloo is only 170 km from here). |
| 15:47.12 | dgv1 | Hey guys |
| 15:47.26 | xreal | How can I check my HDD for badblocks ? |
| 15:47.34 | babilen | Meelu: And there we have your problem. You set "LANG=en_UK" somewhere ... |
| 15:47.46 | xreal | badblocks -v /dev/sdc ? |
| 15:47.55 | babilen | Meelu: "grep en_UK ~/.*" ? |
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| 15:48.34 | Meelu | sorry babilen? |
| 15:48.45 | Bushmills | xreal: SMART supporting drives should do that automatically, with smartctl you can read the bad sector list |
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| 15:48.49 | babilen | Meelu: Run that command and paste its output |
| 15:48.55 | xreal | Bushmills: okay! |
| 15:48.56 | xreal | thanks |
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| 15:49.30 | Meelu | there is no output babilen |
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| 15:51.10 | babilen | Meelu: Hmm, it *is* set somewhere ... 'grep -re "en_UK" /etc/' ? |
| 15:51.31 | Bushmills | xreal: alternatively, check out the badblocks utility |
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| 15:52.11 | Meelu | still no result |
| 15:52.17 | Meelu | i think i saw it somewhere though |
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| 15:52.26 | Meelu | my /etc/default/locale says LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 15:52.28 | babilen | Meelu: Did you run the first command as root or as your user? As whom do you execute apt-get/aptitude ? |
| 15:52.35 | Meelu | as root |
| 15:52.48 | babilen | Meelu: did you run the grep command as root too? |
| 15:52.52 | Meelu | yes |
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| 15:53.22 | babilen | Meelu: Run it as your user too (or substitute ~ with the correct home directory) |
| 15:53.32 | Meelu | i haven't created a user yet |
| 15:53.38 | Meelu | but should i? |
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| 15:54.40 | yoshio | Meelu: what is in /etc/default/locale ? |
| 15:54.43 | router | ok so i installed squeeze and tried to connect to my wireless network through the applet on the taskbar in gnome and under wireless it said device not configured or something like that |
| 15:54.50 | babilen | Meelu: Yes, you should and use it for everything you do. You can and should work as root only if absolutely needed. |
| 15:54.51 | Meelu | LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 |
| 15:54.54 | Meelu | like i said yoshio |
| 15:55.17 | babilen | Meelu: That was just en_US.UTF-8 :) |
| 15:55.42 | babilen | Meelu: You have to find out where you set LANG=en_UK -- that is your problem |
| 15:55.56 | Meelu | i just used grep commands |
| 15:55.57 | Meelu | i mean |
| 15:55.59 | Meelu | sorry |
| 15:56.15 | Meelu | i mean i just used them commands to configure etc |
| 15:56.17 | Meelu | the locale |
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| 15:56.35 | babilen | what? |
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| 15:57.07 | router | ali3n0: hey are you still here? |
| 15:57.17 | Meelu | i mean dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 15:57.19 | ali3n0 | router, yes |
| 15:57.32 | ali3n0 | not for long though |
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| 15:57.57 | ali3n0 | router, what's up? |
| 15:58.16 | Meelu | and for some reason when i select one locale on dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 15:58.16 | Meelu | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.38 | damasceno | I made eclipsesesau.deb package from .tar.gz file, and it's working very well, but i need to add this package to my local mirror server, how can I do that? |
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| 15:59.45 | Meelu | i give up, thanks for your help anyway babilen. |
| 15:59.49 | babilen | Meelu: It should not download but generate them and that is also not the default behaviour. I have absolutely no idea what you have done with that system though. The immediate problem is to find the file where you set LANG to en_UK -- The sledgehammer method of "grep -re "en_UK" /" would work, but takes a while. |
| 16:00.25 | Meelu | il wait for that then, i have i7 processor and a fresh install so it might be quick |
| 16:00.43 | Bushmills | recoll can be useful for frequently finding files, containing specified strings |
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| 16:01.20 | babilen | Bushmills: Would still have to index every single file on the system |
| 16:01.29 | yoshio | Meelu: edit /etc/locale.gen (put hash marks in front of everything except the ones you want), then run locale-gen |
| 16:01.36 | Bushmills | yes. but not for every search |
| 16:01.41 | babilen | Bushmills: yeah |
| 16:01.49 | Bushmills | (which is why i say "frequently") |
| 16:01.58 | Meelu | yoshio the list is massive |
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| 16:04.45 | yoshio | Meelu: copy the original file someplace, then edit the file so it contains the one or two lines you want |
| 16:05.20 | babilen | yoshio: I don't see how that would help and that should be done by "dpkg-reconfigure locales" anyway ... |
| 16:05.38 | babilen | *shrug* /me gets a cup of tea |
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| 16:05.56 | router | ali3n0, sorry |
| 16:06.11 | router | ali3n0, can you help me with this problem please? |
| 16:06.21 | abrotman | did Meelu try a new user? which version of Debian is it? |
| 16:06.27 | Meelu | 5.0.8 |
| 16:06.38 | abrotman | did you try a different user? |
| 16:06.58 | router | babilen, you there? |
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| 16:07.00 | Meelu | yoshio |
| 16:07.01 | Meelu | server56151:~# locale-gen |
| 16:07.01 | Meelu | Generating locales (this might take a while)... |
| 16:07.01 | Meelu | Generation complete. |
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| 16:07.17 | babilen | abrotman: He is using lenny, has insofar not created a user (works as root) and env output is http://paste2.org/p/1337057 (note the LANG=en_UK) |
| 16:07.31 | abrotman | works as root, not his user? |
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| 16:07.36 | babilen | yup |
| 16:07.44 | babilen | (has been lectured accordingly) ;) |
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| 16:07.53 | abrotman | he needs to try a new user .. |
| 16:08.01 | abrotman | if the new user is unaffected, it's likely something in his $HOME |
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| 16:08.57 | yoshio | Meelu: what is the line you had in local.gen ? |
| 16:09.03 | router | babilen, i need help connecting to my wifi network i try through the gnome applet and under wireless it says something about my device not being configured |
| 16:09.05 | c3l | hm, im having some problems reading my iphone, im following http://wiki.debian.org/iPhone but at 3.4 nothing happens, any clues? hopefully this is a not very uncommon issue and someone knows where to get more info. im on squeeze with an iphone 3gs (jailbroken) |
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| 16:09.45 | Meelu | yoshio i uncommented everything out except for en_GB.UTF-8 UTF-8 and then got http://paste2.org/p/1337088 error the next time i run apt-get |
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| 16:10.00 | Meelu | i mean i removed everything* |
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| 16:10.15 | babilen | router: You mean network-manager ? |
| 16:10.24 | kibibyte | hi |
| 16:10.28 | router | babilen, yeah i think so |
| 16:10.55 | kibibyte | my system boots into read only mode how can i verify what went wrong ? |
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| 16:11.00 | babilen | router: Ok, please read http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager |
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| 16:12.01 | Meelu | abrotman what should i try as a nerw user? |
| 16:12.06 | babilen | router: You might want to paste your /etc/network/interfaces -- I can't really help you with network-manager though as I don't use it (so no click here, click there instructions) |
| 16:12.07 | abrotman | logging in? |
| 16:12.19 | Meelu | yes nothing wrong with doing su |
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| 16:12.33 | router | babilen, hold on |
| 16:12.33 | dgvr | Hey ;) |
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| 16:13.12 | babilen | router: You should also read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian and /usr/share/doc/network-manager-gnome/README.Debian (read just one if they are identical) |
| 16:13.25 | router | babilen, ok |
| 16:13.49 | router | babilen, but, why would it say that my device has to be configured? |
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| 16:14.04 | babilen | router: The important thing is that /etc/network/interfaces should not contain *anything* except "auto IFACE" for all interfaces you want to manager with n-m |
| 16:14.26 | router | babilen, ok well im not on debian right now so.... |
| 16:14.33 | babilen | router: A screenshot of that message would come in handy too ... |
| 16:14.58 | babilen | router: Well, a bit hard to work on it in that case. |
| 16:15.08 | router | babilen, well idk how i would get you a screenshot if i cant get on the internet |
| 16:15.16 | psilikon | it seems like it is always easier to turn off nm and just manage interfaces from /etc/network |
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| 16:15.56 | router | babilen, how long are you going to be around? |
| 16:16.01 | yoshio | Meelu: I dunno, but you can see in the directory /var/lib/dpkg/info all of the locale.* files, these control what happens when you install/configure/remove/purge the package |
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| 16:17.03 | babilen | router: Just come here and ask your question. There are a bunch of regulars around most of the time. I think that after reading the documentation and acting accordingly your problem is solved. |
| 16:17.29 | dgvr | While we're in the networking mode ... |
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| 16:17.42 | Meelu | yoshio there are 1284 files |
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| 16:18.03 | babilen | Meelu: So, what are your results with the new user? |
| 16:18.08 | router | babilen, ok well im busy right now with something on my windows boot and i dont know how long it will take |
| 16:18.14 | Meelu | i dont know what i should do with new user babilen |
| 16:18.20 | htrejh | hi |
| 16:18.21 | dgvr | I've setup IP forwarding but my LAN PC's can't see the WAN (ie. internet) |
| 16:18.30 | babilen | Meelu: Create it. Log in with it, try aptitude and paste "env" |
| 16:18.43 | dgvr | I've used the script given in the article http://www.aboutdebian.com/proxy.htm |
| 16:18.54 | babilen | router: Take your time :) |
| 16:18.58 | dgvr | woops ... sorry ... you guys are still going |
| 16:18.59 | yoshio | Meelu: the locale.* files in that directory |
| 16:19.06 | htrejh | i'd like to know if it's possible to obtain KDE 4.6 on testing or unstable? is there some kde repo? as the debian repos do not have 4.6 |
| 16:19.22 | babilen | htrejh: AFAIK: no |
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| 16:19.26 | yoshio | locales.* rather |
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| 16:19.44 | Meelu | its cool man im too tired to add permissions for this user and try again and fail again |
| 16:19.46 | htrejh | maybe there's some unsupported repo |
| 16:19.47 | Meelu | thanks for the help.. |
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| 16:19.55 | babilen | yoshio: I have no idea why you want Meelu to look at the maintainer scripts now ... Care to elaborate? |
| 16:20.21 | dgvr | Anyone around on the IP Forwarding front? |
| 16:20.25 | babilen | Meelu: "adduser foo" â log in with foo ... not that hard ;) |
| 16:20.26 | yoshio | babilen: he can see what the scripts do, maybe that can help in understanding |
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| 16:21.07 | yoshio | Meelu: type 'mount' - are any partitions read only? |
| 16:21.16 | babilen | yoshio: The problem is that Meelu sets LANG=en_UK somewhere (which is not a valid locale) |
| 16:21.24 | babilen | Ok, have fun ... |
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| 16:23.42 | yoshio | Meelu: try "LANG=C dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
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| 16:27.44 | c3l | im having some problems connecting to my iphone, im following http://wiki.debian.org/iPhone but at 3.4 nothing happens, any clues? hopefully this is a common issue and someone knows where to get more info on it. im on squeeze with an iphone 3gs 4.0.1 (jailbroken) |
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| 16:28.33 | sh4rm4_ | i wonder why people buy proprietary crap first, then try to break it |
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| 16:29.18 | frikinz_ | i'v been given one.. |
| 16:29.24 | frikinz_ | c3l: ssh? |
| 16:29.32 | MrFrood | sh4rm4_: offtopic, but perhaps because so far there are no commodity phones |
| 16:30.07 | c3l | frikinz_: sure, but can I access the interna music database that way? |
| 16:30.14 | lusotux | sh4rm4_, because ppl are like kids ... like shinny things |
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| 16:30.36 | sh4rm4_ | hmm... the android stuff is shiny as well... |
| 16:30.52 | frikinz_ | c3l ah not sure. I haven't tried so far. I only did the important stuffs: ssh, perl, webserver :) |
| 16:31.00 | MrFrood | sh4rm4_: still not fully open |
| 16:31.08 | sh4rm4_ | true |
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| 16:31.34 | lusotux | yeah i know .... but doesen't have an apple ;) |
| 16:31.40 | lusotux | you know !!! |
| 16:31.45 | frikinz_ | c3l I was thinking of using another music player and moving my music with ssh |
| 16:31.48 | c3l | android platform is fully open, isnt it? its the hardware thats locked down, or the HW manufactor specific settings |
| 16:32.13 | pipeline | it depends on the manufacturer |
| 16:32.16 | pipeline | some are more open than others |
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| 16:32.20 | sh4rm4_ | most don't give you a shell to play around |
| 16:32.34 | MrFrood | c3l: so where is the source for android 3? |
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| 16:33.42 | c3l | frikinz_: I tried that once, but the music players I where able to find crashed every once in a while, and they where not very user friendly in many cases. but I should take a look again, maybe someone has created some neat music player |
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| 16:34.07 | c3l | MrFrood: isnt that available? :o |
| 16:34.42 | yoshio | c3l: wonder if comment #25 in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609012 has anything to do with your problem? do you mean 3.5 doesn't happen? |
| 16:35.22 | unixSnob | If I ssh into a remote VPS running debian, and run emacs, I get a /text/ window. I want an X11 window. How do I make that happen? Does an X server need to be installed? |
| 16:35.41 | c3l | yoshio: ah, well yes. the phone doesnt pop up. however I do se usb activity, but it looks like it eventually gets disconnected in about 2-3 seconds |
| 16:36.22 | yoshio | c3l: anything interesting in /var/log/messages? (do dmesg |tail -20) |
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| 16:37.16 | yoshio | unixSnob, did you do ssh -X hostname |
| 16:37.49 | unixSnob | yoshio: in effect.. (I have X11 forwarding enabled in .ssh/config) |
| 16:37.58 | c3l | yoshio: http://pastebin.com/DNWMhPBA |
| 16:38.31 | aissen | what is the official Debian way to have HDMI as the *second* audio device when two Mixers are detected ? |
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| 16:38.50 | yoshio | unixSnob: also in /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? |
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| 16:39.05 | unixSnob | yoshio: hmm.. good question. Thanks for the tip |
| 16:39.16 | aissen | I've found bug #599656 and #530447 but none seem to fix the problem for everyone |
| 16:40.07 | c3l | yoshio: so to update libimobiledevice1 to 1.0.4-2, do I need to use sid or so, currently im on stable |
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| 16:40.34 | unixSnob | yoshio: it's already enabled in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 16:41.15 | Bushmills | unixSnob: you need an X server locally, yes |
| 16:42.28 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions iceweasel |
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| 16:42.29 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-5; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-6~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-6; wheezy: 3.5.17-1; sid: 3.5.18-1; experimental: 4.0-3 |
| 16:42.44 | frikinz_ | c3l first in this case you'd first check if there is a backport of this version (recompiled against depencies in stable, if possible) and if not, you have to fetch it from sid yes |
| 16:42.59 | c3l | frikinz_: okay, thanks |
| 16:43.02 | jhutchins_lt | !ssb |
| 16:43.02 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 16:43.06 | unixSnob | Bushmills: sorry, looks like reversed the sense of the term. Yes, I do already have an x server locally. I guess what I meant to ask was if the remote VPS needed an X client |
| 16:43.15 | Bushmills | try to run xemacs |
| 16:43.20 | unixSnob | k |
| 16:43.31 | frikinz_ | jhutchins_lt: ah even better. I forgot the part "do the backport yourself" :) |
| 16:43.31 | Bushmills | yes, remote needs x clients. those are what you want to run |
| 16:43.58 | jhutchins_lt | Minimizing the frankenreleases helps keep the bandwidth down here. |
| 16:44.08 | unixSnob | Bushmills: xemacs doesn't exist. It's not really xemacs that I want, but rather ordinary emacs with an X window |
| 16:44.30 | unixSnob | Bushmills: do I have to install xemacs to get the option of running emacs graphically? |
| 16:44.31 | Bushmills | then run emacs23-x |
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| 16:44.36 | unixSnob | k |
| 16:44.44 | Mygale | lol all |
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| 16:45.01 | Mygale | someone know how i can cange my agp speed? |
| 16:45.22 | Mygale | 66 Mhz to 72 ? |
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| 16:45.32 | unixSnob | Bushmills: i have emacs22-x, but that actually just comes up in text mode |
| 16:45.32 | Bushmills | Mygale: BIOS settings, usually |
| 16:45.45 | Mygale | i try it but not working |
| 16:45.55 | Mygale | always 66 |
| 16:45.55 | Bushmills | unixSnob: try whether you can run any x client at all, like xterm |
| 16:46.03 | Bushmills | try to start emacs from xterm then |
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| 16:47.29 | unixSnob | Bushmills: i'm noticing that $DISPLAY did not get properly set. when X11 forward is set to "yes", i expect $DISPLAY to be set to the localhost.. it's actaully unset |
| 16:47.47 | Bushmills | then ssh to server with ssh -X or ssh -Y |
| 16:47.50 | pipeline | unixSnob: your x11 forwarding is probably broken. Make sure xauth is installed. |
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| 16:48.19 | unixSnob | pipeline: xauth is needed on the remote machine, or local? |
| 16:48.25 | pipeline | unixSnob: both iirc |
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| 16:48.45 | unixSnob | pipeline: looks like the remote machine doesn't have it |
| 16:49.08 | Mygale | compil kernel finished brb later |
| 16:49.11 | pipeline | unixSnob: you're going to want to fix that |
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| 16:50.57 | ManateeLazyCat | Why wget always display "connection refused" message? wget always try connect 127.0.0.1:7070, but i just do "wget http://ubuntu.cn99.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kaffeine/kaffeine-dbg_0.8.6-0ubuntu8.3_amd64.deb" |
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| 16:51.13 | ManateeLazyCat | Some wrong in my system? |
| 16:51.31 | Bushmills | probably |
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| 16:51.32 | ManateeLazyCat | I try to use wget download something, but it's always try connect 127.0.0.1:7070 |
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| 16:51.48 | pipeline | ManateeLazyCat: you have an http_proxy variable set |
| 16:51.52 | Bushmills | especially if you have installed more and other ubuntu packages |
| 16:51.54 | pipeline | ManateeLazyCat: printenv | grep proxy |
| 16:52.06 | ManateeLazyCat | Let me try. |
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| 16:52.21 | ManateeLazyCat | pipeline: Nothing |
| 16:52.30 | pipeline | ManateeLazyCat: then you have a proxy set in ~/.wgetrc |
| 16:52.46 | pipeline | ManateeLazyCat: there's a proxy setting somewhere. Find, crush. |
| 16:52.54 | ManateeLazyCat | pipeline: No, i haven't create ~/.wgetrc. |
| 16:53.04 | pipeline | ManateeLazyCat: I reiterate: there's a proxy setting somewhere. Find, crush. |
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| 16:53.12 | pipeline | ManateeLazyCat: I didn't set it for you, so I can't tell you where it got done :D |
| 16:53.15 | ManateeLazyCat | pipeline: It's not just wget, include curl, arira always try connect 127.0.0.1 |
| 16:53.32 | pipeline | ManateeLazyCat: not gonna repeat myself a third time |
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| 16:53.49 | Bushmills | ,versions arira |
| 16:53.49 | pipeline | ManateeLazyCat: if it were just connecting to 127.0.0.1, I would assume that you had a bad dns server |
| 16:53.49 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'arira' was found in i386. |
| 16:53.53 | rubin110 | I have a service running on port 12345, through IP tables I would also like it running on port 23456, how can I do this? |
| 16:54.01 | ManateeLazyCat | pipeline: Yes, i guess so, something wrong setup, i just want got some idea here. |
| 16:54.06 | pipeline | ManateeLazyCat: but the fact that it is trying to connect to a different port than your original request indicates there is a proxy involved |
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| 16:54.38 | ManateeLazyCat | pipeline: I have ssh proxy running 127.0.0.1:7070, but i have turn it off, test again, still have problem. |
| 16:54.44 | pipeline | ManateeLazyCat: it's possible (unlikely) that someone is running a transparent proxy on yoru network that redirects everything to another proxy... and it is returnning garbage data. |
| 16:54.57 | ManateeLazyCat | pipeline: I must touch something involuntary. |
| 16:55.05 | pipeline | ManateeLazyCat: yeah... so the proxy isn't running anymore, but whatever you configured to use the proxy is still configured |
| 16:55.08 | pipeline | ManateeLazyCat: mystery solved! |
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| 16:55.40 | ManateeLazyCat | Hmm. |
| 16:56.18 | xreal | How can I list all files within subdirectory with full or relative path as prefix? |
| 16:56.24 | ManateeLazyCat | Crap, my aptitude and browser is right.... only wget and curl.... |
| 16:57.13 | xreal | find . -type f -print |
| 16:57.30 | Bushmills | xreal: find $PWD |
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| 16:57.49 | xreal | okay: find $PWD is for absolute, mine is for relative. Thanks! |
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| 16:59.23 | Bushmills | echo $PWD/* |
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| 17:00.10 | router | ok |
| 17:00.12 | router | done with that |
| 17:00.27 | rofl0r | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:00.47 | Bushmills | icon license not debian license compatible |
| 17:01.03 | jelly-home | !thunderbird |
| 17:01.04 | dpkg | Mozilla Thunderbird is replaced by Icedove in Debian as of Lenny. Ask me about <icedove>. |
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| 17:01.16 | jelly-home | rofl0r: that. thing. |
| 17:01.26 | rofl0r | aha... is it compatible ? |
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| 17:01.43 | router | can someone help me i just installed squeeze and tried to connect to my wifi network but the network manager applet in gnome says that my device is not managed under wireless |
| 17:01.49 | jelly-home | it's the same thing, except for the trademarked icons and name |
| 17:01.49 | rofl0r | i have around 10000 mails in thunderbird format |
| 17:01.53 | Black_Prince | It is the same project, but only rebranded |
| 17:01.56 | rofl0r | ah, perfect |
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| 17:02.07 | nHarzilei | hi |
| 17:02.17 | jelly-home | rofl0r: you may also choose to use mozilla's tarballs |
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| 17:02.45 | rofl0r | if it reads my config dir, i'm perfectly fine with another name and icon |
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| 17:03.06 | keith4 | you'll be fine |
| 17:03.10 | router | dgvr: hey are you still here? |
| 17:03.49 | nHarzilei | i had this problem before but i dont remember the solution: i'm in the mid of a dist-upgrade. now i would preferably install what can be already installed with the downloaded packages and install another package that i need to use right now (and not after every other package got upgraded). then i want to resume the dist-upgrade. |
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| 17:04.16 | unixSnob | pipeline: i installed xauth on the remote machine. i thought ssh -X would work automatically at that point. I can see that it's trying to work, because when I run emacs it's no longer text mode, but no window appears. I tried doing "xauth add ..." on both the remote and locan machines, so each accepts the others cookie, but that does not work either.. ideas? |
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| 17:04.36 | unixSnob | pipeline: and this is after a reboot, btw |
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| 17:05.44 | unixSnob | I also see that DISPLAY is set to localhost:10.0, so the X11 forwarding is enabled |
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| 17:07.29 | tcr | stdio.h unsets __USE_GNU? http://paste.debian.net/112550 â I'm perplexed, can anyone shed light on this? |
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| 17:08.14 | g00se | Anyone know what group with Full permission should enable a cifs NT mount to be writable? I keep getting infuriating read-only 'holes' in the mount |
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| 17:10.06 | xyzp | How can i see what distribution and version i have on it? |
| 17:10.08 | rofl0r | grave bugs of icedove (-> 3.0.11-2) <unfixed> #617759 - icedove: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/icedove/components/libdbusservice.so: undefined symbol: NS_Alloc |
| 17:10.15 | jhutchins_lt | g00se: Turn off the unix extensions. |
| 17:10.17 | rofl0r | grrr... how can i get another version ? |
| 17:10.31 | jhutchins_lt | !tell xyzp about version |
| 17:10.49 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions icedove |
| 17:10.51 | judd | Package icedove on i386 -- lenny: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; lenny-security: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; squeeze: 3.0.11-1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 3.0.11-1+squeeze1; sid: 3.0.11-2; wheezy: 3.0.11-2; experimental: 3.1.9-1 |
| 17:11.09 | router | dgvr: hey are you still here? |
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| 17:11.33 | rofl0r | apt-get -t experimental install icedove |
| 17:11.34 | jhutchins_lt | xyzp: That's why they call it "testing". |
| 17:11.39 | rofl0r | displays the same bug msg |
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| 17:12.37 | pipeline | unixSnob: ssh will do the xauth setup for you |
| 17:12.46 | nHarzilei | any idea? i think i might want the same as --fix-missing plus pulling my ethernet cable, but of course i'd rather not want to wait for the downlod attempts to time out |
| 17:12.50 | pipeline | unixSnob: you just need xauth installed |
| 17:13.10 | pipeline | unixSnob: you have probably broken something by fiddling; restart your X11 session so that you can be assured no detritus remains |
| 17:13.14 | unixSnob | pipeline: for some reason that was not enough. I wonder if VPS containers have some kind of limitation |
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| 17:13.23 | unixSnob | pipeline: I tried it before adding cookies |
| 17:13.25 | pipeline | unixSnob: christ VPS systems are a big bag of hurt |
| 17:13.28 | xyzp | jhutchijns_lt, ok |
| 17:13.30 | pipeline | unixSnob: go get real hosting |
| 17:13.33 | router | can someone help me Network manager says "device not managed" under wireless....... |
| 17:13.41 | g00se | jhutchins_lt: I've never heard of them ;) What are they? |
| 17:13.48 | pipeline | unixSnob: could be *anything* on a VPS. Virtuozzo/OpenVZ have a propensity to expose previously-untested error handling code :) |
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| 17:15.08 | nHarzilei | oh, missed --no-download and it even mentions my use-case |
| 17:15.48 | unixSnob | pipeline: thanks for the warning.. but dedicated hosts are a bit out of my budget for what I'm doing. |
| 17:16.10 | pipeline | unixSnob: probably not -- consider a VM from e.g. linode, slicehost. Modestly more expensive than a VPS, massively more useful. |
| 17:16.33 | Bushmills | shouldn't make much difference for tunneling X clients through ssh |
| 17:17.19 | pipeline | Bushmills: actually yes it makes a big difference |
| 17:17.27 | erAbuelo | buenas tardes |
| 17:17.28 | pipeline | Bushmills: VPSes have very, very granular resource controls |
| 17:17.51 | rofl0r | http://forums.spry.com/debian/620-how-install-testing-packages-debian-stable-apt-get.html <- is this information still accurate ? |
| 17:17.52 | pipeline | Bushmills: depending on the perversity/evil of your provider, it can break almost any piece of software |
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| 17:18.27 | jhutchins_lt | rofl0r: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:18.31 | pipeline | unixSnob: the point is, a cheap VM is about $15-20, a cheap VPS is $10-15. You would have to be crazy not to spend $5 a month to get 10x the utility from your hosting. |
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| 17:18.52 | unixSnob | pipeline: my VPS is $3.50/month |
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| 17:19.27 | unixSnob | but i'll keep an eye out for a vm.. didn't know that was an option |
| 17:19.35 | pipeline | unixSnob: another possibility is shared hosting |
| 17:19.44 | pipeline | unixSnob: believe it or not your average plesk account has a lot more resource to work with than a VPS :\ |
| 17:19.50 | pipeline | unixSnob: albeit without the luxury of a shell |
| 17:20.12 | unixSnob | pipeline: so with a VM, do I just set up an image locally, and then transfer it to a hosting provider? |
| 17:20.13 | pipeline | unixSnob: basically $3.50 can get you a really nice basic shared hosting account, or the world's worst facsimile of a shell ;) |
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| 17:20.26 | pipeline | unixSnob: depends on the provider. Linode and Slicehost will do the setup for you, no image needed. |
| 17:20.34 | rofl0r | jhutchins, i actually use sid already, and i want to fetch icedove from experimental.... |
| 17:20.35 | pipeline | unixSnob: it's like a dedicated unix host, but it's a VM. |
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| 17:20.53 | TheRealOne | hey all |
| 17:20.57 | jhutchins_lt | Gentlemen, I find this conversation interesting (I'm looking for hosting at the moment), but it is not relevant to Debian. |
| 17:21.01 | TheRealOne | where the page for debian armel? |
| 17:21.01 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 17:21.11 | TheRealOne | *irc-group sorry |
| 17:21.39 | TheRealOne | or can I post a question here? |
| 17:22.17 | jhutchins_lt | TheRealOne: Go ahead and ask. At worst we won't answer. |
| 17:22.20 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: in this case it's quite relevant, as he (practically) requires better hosting to fix his debian problem on debian |
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| 17:22.42 | TheRealOne | I have an armel device on which I'm trying to install debian squeeze |
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| 17:23.05 | yoshio | there is debian-arm |
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| 17:23.20 | TheRealOne | the setup is running, the device ony has a touch screen and I've managed to get up to the configure network... |
| 17:23.25 | rozie | TheRealOne: what device is it? |
| 17:23.31 | TheRealOne | HTC HD2 |
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| 17:23.49 | TheRealOne | I've connected the usb cable with my device and pc... |
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| 17:24.13 | TheRealOne | but it can autoconfigure the network via dhcp... I've set up a bridge on my pc for the network... but no avail |
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| 17:28.37 | TheRealOne | so any ideas how I can get this usb-network to work? |
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| 17:32.39 | oznt | hi everyone |
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| 17:32.54 | dArK_IcE | hi |
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| 17:33.00 | oznt | does someone knows how to control on which VT gdm3 starts ? |
| 17:33.15 | abrotman | which one do you want it to be? |
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| 17:35.51 | bartzy|work | MAIL_TO in cronjobs will mail me output to STDERR too ? |
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| 17:37.27 | arcsky | hello, i just did apt-get install nfs-kernel-server and now it stop at " * Starting NFS kernel daemon |
| 17:37.31 | arcsky | " |
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| 17:42.21 | ne | is there a way to both install and remove packages as part of one apt-get operation? |
| 17:42.44 | abrotman | with aptitude you can |
| 17:43.05 | TheRealOne | anyone experience with ICS over usb? |
| 17:43.10 | stevieman | I have vsftp up and running but I cannot connect to it with my user, Do I need to add users to the ftpd somewhere? |
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| 17:43.34 | abrotman | stevieman: your normal user or a special user? |
| 17:43.51 | stevieman | abrotman: Normal user on the system already |
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| 17:46.36 | stevieman | abrotman: never mind I missed a '1' in the ip address |
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| 17:46.50 | abrotman | glad we got that resolved |
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| 17:47.18 | jacktheripper | I can't access root-mounted directories from normal users. Can't even list permissions. Gives me ?s. |
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| 17:49.21 | unixSnob | pipeline, Bushmills: thanks for all your help. the xauth install actually solved the X11 problem. It turns out that emacs is the problem |
| 17:49.41 | jacktheripper | can access the directory normally if nothing is mounted on it. |
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| 17:50.30 | pipeline | unixSnob: you know emacs has really great remote editing |
| 17:50.42 | pipeline | unixSnob: you would consume a lot fewer resources on your VPS if you ran emacs locally and used tramp to access your remote host |
| 17:51.04 | pipeline | unixSnob: tramp is awesome -- C-x-f, then type like "/remotehost:mycoolfiletoedit.txt" |
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| 17:51.17 | unixSnob | pipeline: yeah, i didn't realize what a pig it was. it turns out I just did not wait long enough for the window |
| 17:51.18 | pipeline | unixSnob: the combination of leading / and a colon will invoke tramp on the filename .. tab complete and shit work too |
| 17:51.30 | pipeline | unixSnob: wouldn't count on emacs working in a vps... is a pig as you say :) |
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| 17:51.37 | mmarques | hey all |
| 17:51.51 | unixSnob | pipeline: i'll check out tramp |
| 17:52.08 | mmarques | just tried to dist-upgrade from lenny to squeeze and apt died in the middle |
| 17:52.10 | pipeline | unixSnob: well technically you don't even need the docs. For the simple case, just opening something on a remote host, you can just DO IT. haha |
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| 17:52.32 | mmarques | now apt can't start again and I don't know which way to go |
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| 17:52.54 | mmarques | I get alot of dependecy problems |
| 17:53.32 | mmarques | dpkg --reconfigure -a didn't help |
| 17:53.32 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, mmarques |
| 17:53.47 | craigevil | went from a clean squeezed install to testing to sid with no problems |
| 17:54.08 | yoshio | mmarques, did you install dpkg/aptitude first, before doing the dist-upgrade? |
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| 17:54.17 | mmarques | nop |
| 17:54.25 | skutr34 | ok one question |
| 17:54.39 | skutr34 | how do i install sun java on squeeze |
| 17:54.41 | skutr34 | ? |
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| 17:54.50 | skutr34 | do i have to edit my sources list? |
| 17:54.54 | skutr34 | or what? |
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| 17:55.18 | yoshio | !java |
| 17:55.18 | dpkg | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:55.23 | craigevil | skutr34, add contrib to your sources.list then aptitude update, aptitude install sun-java6-plugin |
| 17:56.07 | skutr34 | craigevil: contrib? |
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| 17:56.13 | skutr34 | like |
| 17:56.31 | skutr34 | http://ftp.debian.org/contrib? |
| 17:56.37 | skutr34 | or something? |
| 17:56.56 | ScottG | Is there way to add debtags to packages as you install them? |
| 17:57.00 | yoshio | !contrib |
| 17:57.00 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compatible software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ [lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then aptitude update. Also ask me about <non-free>. |
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| 17:58.10 | yoshio | !tell skutr34 about install java |
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| 18:01.45 | skutr34 | yoshio: i added the contrib line http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ and it wont update |
| 18:02.42 | ompaul | skutr34: post your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 18:02.58 | yoshio | skutr34, no, you want something liek deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib |
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| 18:03.08 | skutr34 | thanks |
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| 18:05.03 | xreal | What's the fastest way to find a file like "feature.hpp |
| 18:05.06 | xreal | on my system? |
| 18:05.08 | xreal | locate ? |
| 18:05.09 | ScottG | How do I act on packages with particular user-tags? |
| 18:05.30 | ScottG | xreal: If it's indexed yes. `find` is also nice |
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| 18:05.56 | xreal | ScottG: find -name feature.hpp ? |
| 18:06.23 | ScottG | man find :/ |
| 18:06.26 | xreal | k |
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| 18:06.30 | ompaul | xreal: if the indexing has been done by updatedb to create a db for locate then you could type locate foo |
| 18:06.51 | xreal | ompaul: Yeah, I'm using this one. But it's slow. |
| 18:07.01 | xreal | isn't there "which" and "wheris"? |
| 18:07.12 | ompaul | xreal: which is for binaries on your path |
| 18:07.19 | xreal | ah okay. noted down |
| 18:08.08 | ompaul | xreal: updatedb is slow initially however after it has been run locate foo works rather fast - so it is advisable to keep it up to date |
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| 18:10.07 | ScottG | I added a user tag to this package. Did a show on it to confirm that the tag was applied, then I do `aptitude search ~G<tagname>` with no results. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 18:12.35 | TheRealOne | does anyone know how to setup ICS on usb0 instead of eth0 e.g. |
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| 18:16.14 | bartzy|work | netstat -t | wc -l = 4000 <- That's a lot to handle ? :\ |
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| 18:33.49 | frikinz_ | updatedb is done in cron |
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| 18:38.48 | erAbuelo | re |
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| 18:42.20 | hardisk | Do you guys know the effects of different kernels on the same system? |
| 18:42.37 | hardisk | If I want to have GNU and Hurd both on my grub, boot the one I wish and get to the same system |
| 18:42.40 | jhutchins_lt | hardisk: Depends on the system. |
| 18:42.49 | hardisk | Debian, with Linux and Hurd |
| 18:42.57 | hardisk | idk if this is possible |
| 18:43.19 | jhutchins_lt | hardisk: Try it. |
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| 18:43.29 | hardisk | Because you need to have a clone of the system but compiled for the other kernel |
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| 18:43.43 | jhutchins_lt | hardisk: We can only support the debian kernel here. |
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| 18:44.22 | hardisk | There is an official Debian GNU/Hurd release |
| 18:44.25 | hardisk | I'm gonna try it |
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| 18:45.13 | xok | hello all... |
| 18:45.27 | xok | seems ipv6 is compiled in kernel on debian squeeze... |
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| 18:45.38 | xok | any chance to get rid of it?.. |
| 18:45.47 | ompaul | !ipv6 |
| 18:45.47 | dpkg | Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the next-generation IP version designed to replace IPv4. Available in Debian since <potato>, full IPv6 support was a release goal for Squeeze. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 http://ipv6.debian.net/ http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ http://www.ipv6.org/ #debian-ipv6 on irc.oftc.net, #ipv6 on irc.freenode.net. To disable IPv6 on your system, ask me about <noipv6>. |
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| 18:47.08 | Black_Prince | !potato |
| 18:47.08 | dpkg | Potato is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 2.2, released August 14th, 2000. It is no longer supported. Ask me about <potato->woody> for upgrade information. See also <potato sources.list>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPotato |
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| 18:49.07 | hardisk | dpkg, potato->woody |
| 18:49.07 | dpkg | methinks potato->woody is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "potato" or "stable" to "woody" (examples: ask me about <woody sources.list>). Then "apt-get update", "apt-get install apt-utils debconf dpkg" and "apt-get dist-upgrade", et voila! Also, ask me about <woody install warnings>. http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/releasenotes |
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| 18:52.18 | mAritz | i'm trying to update from lenny to squeeze on my vps and am at the step of installing the new kernel. however that fails because i don't have /sbin/update-grub (i don't have grub, i suppose it's because it's a vps?!) but have a post-install hook that calls this. should i just remove update-grub from the hook? |
| 18:52.25 | Bhavicp | Anyone know if the SATA 6GB/s disks, work with SATA 3GB/s cables and ports? |
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| 19:02.57 | mAritz | okay, so it appears as though i'd need pv-grub enabled in a xen vps. and apparently i don't have that. so i cannot install a new kernel. reverting upgrade. |
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| 19:04.46 | phocean | hello |
| 19:04.59 | phocean | I am still having issue trying to debug apache |
| 19:05.43 | phocean | I got a dump, set all debug packages as recommended in /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.backtrace |
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| 19:06.01 | phocean | but now I have a problem because the binary is PIE |
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| 19:07.40 | phocean | all I get is this shit : http://pastebin.com/wPpJZhyS |
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| 19:22.55 | johntramp | hi. my computer will quite often freeze up for a number of seconds when for eg switching workspace or opening a terminal window, but this happens with very low cpu and ram usage. any ideas what could be causing this? |
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| 19:32.40 | owen1 | i don't want to type sudo for postqueue related commands. i tried adding this line to sudoers: user ALL=(ALL) ALL but it didn't work. any ideas? |
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| 19:39.19 | rudi_s | owen1: Use an alias. sudoers is only used with sudo. |
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| 19:50.27 | owen1 | rudi_s: i think a better solution would be to add this user to a group that will let him do that. |
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| 19:51.01 | rudi_s | owen1: That would still require sudo (if you use sudoers for that). |
| 19:51.38 | owen1 | rudi_s:oh |
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| 19:52.11 | LordV | so, i'm trying to deal with an older etch installation. I've discovered snapshot.debian.org has "everything," and my question is: does anybody know or can help me find, which snapshots represent the "very latest" packages that were offered for etch? |
| 19:52.29 | LordV | suitable for putting in sources.list, that is |
| 19:52.41 | rudi_s | !tell LordV about archive |
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| 19:58.21 | LordV | rudi_s: thank you! |
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| 19:59.02 | rudi_s | np |
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| 19:59.28 | LordV | sorry to be a pest, but: does the archive have a snapshot of "original" release packages, or is it updated with security updates, etc? |
| 19:59.35 | rudi_s | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.43 | rudi_s | I'm not sure, I think updated with security updates. |
| 19:59.54 | LordV | yeah no lie, well my business stuff is based on HEAVY apache1/mod_perl |
| 20:00.07 | LordV | and I didn't read the release notes that said that lenny was ditching apache1 |
| 20:00.09 | LordV | grr |
| 20:00.38 | LordV | so I've been stuck in dll-hell with a half-upgraded system. for 2+ years. |
| 20:00.58 | LordV | simply having this entry for sources.list will let me get to something "stable" |
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| 20:02.09 | LordV | (oh and this is for something like 10 systems) |
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| 20:08.39 | dougmencken | hi guys! how to get dpkg/apt and move on to have debian package management stuff? |
| 20:09.04 | dougmencken | how many disk space will it require? |
| 20:09.36 | dougmencken | after 5 years, I do have /dev/hdb15 80634688 74174280 2364408 97% /home |
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| 20:11.55 | muhoo | i have a new squeeze install, looks like it uses gdm3. but after logging in, it appears to log me in, then log me out again! |
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| 20:12.17 | muhoo | i'm guessing it can't find a window manager to launch (bu there are a few, i.e. iceww |
| 20:12.39 | muhoo | old gdm used to havae a screen at login to pick whcih windo wmanager. how can i pick window manager in gdm3? |
| 20:12.48 | dougmencken | muhoo: startx, gdm, whatever |
| 20:13.05 | dougmencken | isn't it now usable? |
| 20:13.52 | dougmencken | if not, where to run then? the primary task after disto installing is to change runlevel to 3 |
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| 20:14.06 | muhoo | hm? |
| 20:14.36 | muhoo | there must be either a conf file or a menu somewhere to tell the dm whcih wm to launch when the x sessino starts |
| 20:15.02 | muhoo | wait, that's not necessarily true. i've had x sessions with no window manage,r just an xterm |
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| 20:15.19 | muhoo | i don't know why th esession is refusing to start. where can i look for log info? |
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| 20:16.03 | muhoo | .xsession-errors says: |
| 20:16.04 | muhoo | rxvt: can't open display :0 |
| 20:16.14 | muhoo | No protocol specified |
| 20:16.19 | muhoo | /etc/gdm3/Xsession: Beginning session setup... |
| 20:16.26 | dougmencken | muhoo: runlevel |
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| 20:17.00 | muhoo | ah, ok will go to runlevel 3 and see if that helps |
| 20:17.06 | dougmencken | example: $ runlevel --> N 3 |
| 20:17.09 | muhoo | it's at 2 |
| 20:17.11 | dougmencken | muhoo: yeah |
| 20:17.14 | muhoo | N 2 |
| 20:17.31 | dougmencken | two? it's root only (single user, he can't open x.org display) |
| 20:17.38 | muhoo | telinit |
| 20:18.06 | yagoo | dougmencken, sounds like boom boom |
| 20:18.59 | muhoo | dougmencken: no, even at runlevel 2 3, still the x session won't start |
| 20:18.59 | yagoo | lol.. muhoo who's changing runlevels gonna help here |
| 20:19.04 | dougmencken | yagoo: yep, root cando anything, but distro doesn't provide correct files for root |
| 20:19.25 | yagoo | muhoo, ur system is boom boom |
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| 20:19.39 | lvh | Hi! |
| 20:19.43 | yagoo | lvh, Hi |
| 20:19.45 | dougmencken | ho |
| 20:19.51 | muhoo | yagoo: i dunno, dougmencken said changing runlevels would fix this, i don't understand how it could, but i tried it, and didn't work |
| 20:19.59 | yagoo | lol he did? |
| 20:20.02 | muhoo | gdm is running in runlevel 2 |
| 20:20.09 | dougmencken | muhoo: the same error? |
| 20:20.28 | dougmencken | muhoo: try 'apt-get install e16 && starte16' |
| 20:20.31 | muhoo | i can log in, i get a progress wheel, like it's loading the x session , then it kicks me right back to the login screen |
| 20:20.39 | muhoo | dougmencken: why? :-) |
| 20:20.56 | yagoo | muhoo, have u tried a minimal window manager like openbox then try logging into an openbox session? |
| 20:20.59 | muhoo | i don't want yagoo lol'ing at me when i do and it is not even relevant :-) |
| 20:21.03 | dougmencken | muhoo: do you still want to get X.org DM to work? |
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| 20:21.09 | muhoo | sure |
| 20:21.17 | yagoo | muhoo, if u get the gdm startup screen.. then something else is logging u out.. |
| 20:21.29 | muhoo | right |
| 20:21.32 | muhoo | i have icewm |
| 20:21.43 | dougmencken | yagoo: the point is to let him to log into w/o *gdm* |
| 20:21.44 | yagoo | muhoo, and u select icewm from the pulldown? |
| 20:21.52 | lvh | Has debian got any installs tailored for virtual machines? I'm virtualizing debian stable on my desktop to run servers (database, rproxy...) on during development. Suggestions for hypervisors also welcome (I have VMWare WS, virt-manager+qemu-kvm and virtualbox). |
| 20:22.02 | muhoo | my .initrc and .xsession just start up an xterm |
| 20:22.07 | lvh | I don't really deeply care about performance since this is just for development -- I want it to work and that's about it. |
| 20:22.22 | muhoo | yagoo: there is no pulldown! |
| 20:22.25 | yagoo | lvh, openbox or vmware may have a linux2.6 kernel option or debian 32-bit or debian-64bit option.. |
| 20:22.30 | muhoo | that's also what i was asking |
| 20:22.49 | lvh | yagoo: openbox? do you mean virtualbox or is that something else |
| 20:22.50 | fbs | during a debian install its possible to choose the stuff you want to install, like base, graphical, ssh etc |
| 20:22.50 | muhoo | where did the pulldown go in squeeze (gdm3)? there used to be one in lenny (gdm) |
| 20:22.52 | dougmencken | lvh: at the time when your ÑindoÑs system will be "just for development", come back |
| 20:22.53 | yagoo | muhoo, then ur not using gdm |
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| 20:23.03 | fbs | what is the command to do that on a running system? |
| 20:23.07 | muhoo | yagoo: root 1308 0.0 0.1 72712 2892 ? Sl 12:57 0:00 /usr/sbin/gdm3 |
| 20:23.08 | lvh | dougmencken: Huh? |
| 20:23.11 | muhoo | yes i am |
| 20:23.15 | lvh | dougmencken: I'm virtualizing *debian*, not windows |
| 20:23.25 | muhoo | 107 4043 0.0 0.8 275496 16724 ? S 13:18 0:00 /usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-simple-greeter |
| 20:23.36 | dougmencken | lvh: your primary system is proprietary $100 bucks one for steve ballmer, right? |
| 20:23.41 | muhoo | finaly, root 4002 0.3 0.4 92304 9548 tty9 Ss+ 13:18 0:01 /usr/bin/Xorg :0 -br -verbose -audit 0 -novtswitch -auth /var/run/gdm3/auth-for-Debian-gdm-Liiysg/database -nolisten tcp vt9 |
| 20:23.43 | yagoo | muhoo, maybe your templates disabled it or turned it off |
| 20:23.44 | lvh | dougmencken: Nope? |
| 20:23.58 | lvh | dougmencken: I told you I'm running virt-manager+qemu-kvm. |
| 20:24.09 | lvh | dougmencken: Last time I checked kvm doesn't work on windows. |
| 20:24.09 | muhoo | yagoo: where would i find the templates? |
| 20:24.18 | dougmencken | qemu with kvm? |
| 20:24.29 | lvh | dougmencken: Yes? |
| 20:24.42 | dougmencken | lvh: guys at #qemu can help you |
| 20:25.03 | lvh | dougmencken: ... No, I'm asking questions about installing Debian. |
| 20:25.10 | yagoo | lvh, yup.. virtualbox |
| 20:25.25 | yagoo | lvh, there should be options for linux distro/kernels.. |
| 20:25.41 | lvh | yagoo: Right -- last time I checked those don't do anything interesting to the distro, though. |
| 20:25.47 | dougmencken | used Connectix virtualPC when he was young to emulate x86 on modern CPUs |
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| 20:26.03 | yagoo | lvh, there's also virtualbox tools -- a parallel to vmwaretools for the inside client machines to boost those guest machine performance |
| 20:26.04 | muhoo | yagoo: there is a /etc/X11/icewm, if that's what you mean |
| 20:26.40 | lvh | yagoo: Yeah, they're called guest extensions for virtualbox I think. |
| 20:27.10 | muhoo | yagoo: so where are these templates you mention? |
| 20:27.21 | lvh | yagoo: I mostly want Linux to use the vm guest disk driver. |
| 20:27.26 | yagoo | muhoo, see if the sessions file has icewm http://www.ibiblio.org/oswg/oswg-nightly/oswg/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/gdm-reference/gdm-reference/x135.html |
| 20:27.31 | lvh | yagoo: (The one that makes /dev/hda show up as /dev/vda.) |
| 20:27.57 | yagoo | (SessionDir=etc/gdm/Sessions) |
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| 20:28.38 | yagoo | lvh, i don't know about further details.. i answered your previously broad question.. for virtualbox processes.. it'd be best to as kin #virtualbox |
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| 20:28.56 | blubbar | hi, I try to send a xmessage with cron and get this error "Error: Can't open display". What I have do to with DISPLAY in cron? |
| 20:29.19 | lvh | yagoo: Cool, thanks :-) |
| 20:29.22 | muhoo | yagoo: ah! there is no such dir |
| 20:29.43 | muhoo | there's an /etc/gdm3, but no /etc/gdm3/Sessions |
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| 20:30.27 | deever | hi. when i try 'ffmpeg -i File.mp4 File.mp3' (to get the audio from a movie), ffmpeg says: Unsupported codec for output stream #0.0 |
| 20:30.37 | deever | how can i make this work? |
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| 20:31.01 | eptalon | heyas |
| 20:31.03 | yagoo | muhoo, can this be related? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=614972 |
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| 20:31.47 | muhoo | ooh, that looks promising, thanks |
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| 20:32.24 | yagoo | muhoo, i googled "/etc/gdm3/Sessions" |
| 20:32.34 | muhoo | thanks |
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| 20:33.35 | tuxcrafter | how can i only remove the start scripts with update-rc >> update-rc.d -f drbd remove |
| 20:33.45 | tuxcrafter | so the stop script should remain |
| 20:33.54 | phogg | why? |
| 20:34.01 | yagoo | blubbar, maybe "DISPLAY=localhost:0" |
| 20:34.12 | muhoo | yagoo: FIXED, thanks! |
| 20:34.13 | yagoo | or DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 |
| 20:34.28 | yagoo | muhoo, wat did u have to do |
| 20:34.42 | blubbar | yagoo: echo $DISPLAY says: :0.0 |
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| 20:35.11 | yagoo | tuxcrafter, that doesnt remove the scripts.. it removes the symlinks to the scripts in /etc/init.d/ |
| 20:35.14 | muhoo | yagoo: [[ -n $DISPLAY ]] && export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority |
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| 20:35.56 | muhoo | changed it to |
| 20:35.57 | muhoo | [[ -n $DISPLAY && -z $XAUTHORITY ]] && export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority |
| 20:36.11 | tuxcrafter | yagoo: yes exaclty |
| 20:36.16 | yagoo | muhoo, what about the windowmanager lists? can u get that with the gdm login? |
| 20:36.26 | muhoo | now it works. i too am iritated that they moved the file without warning |
| 20:36.30 | tuxcrafter | yagoo: so i only want to remove the start scripts with update-rc |
| 20:36.46 | muhoo | yagoo: no, but i don't care, i can launch the wm from .xiinitrc or somewhere |
| 20:36.47 | themill | tuxcrafter: you want to turn the start scripts into stop scripts |
| 20:36.53 | tuxcrafter | themill: no.. |
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| 20:37.06 | tuxcrafter | themill: i only want to remove the start scripts but not the stop scripts |
| 20:37.08 | muhoo | i just wanna get into the thing first :-) |
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| 20:37.16 | tuxcrafter | themill: the start script is messing up my cluster |
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| 20:37.58 | blubbar | yagoo: got this error: Error: Can't open display: localhost:0.0 the same with DISPLAY=0:0 :( |
| 20:37.58 | themill | tuxcrafter: yes. If there are neither start nor stop scripts in a runlevel then they will reappear later. To prevent something starting, you make them into stop scripts. |
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| 20:38.49 | yagoo | blubbar, u can probably add the user running crond to your xhost +<username> command |
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| 20:40.06 | blubbar | yagoo: is this cron line in the right format? DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 xmessage foo |
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| 20:42.05 | yagoo | blubbar, if it uses X intrinsic like arguments, DISPLAY= would be used in the shell scripts, withouth that variable it may be xmessage display locahost:0.0 |
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| 20:42.19 | yagoo | xmessage -display locahost:0.0 |
| 20:42.31 | yagoo | im only guessing xmessage may support X intrinsics |
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| 20:44.36 | themill | debian's X doesn't listen on tcp by default, so localhost:0.0 won't do what you want. DISPLAY=:0 has more chance of working though. |
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| 20:45.53 | blubbar | ok I try thx |
| 20:46.05 | yagoo | blubbar, also if ur not sending xmessage as urself you would have to do xhost +root or something like this to allow crond to send that to your desktop |
| 20:46.47 | yagoo | there must be a tinker command to impersonate u as the userid of xmessage.. |
| 20:47.07 | yagoo | i just dont remember it by heart |
| 20:47.13 | blubbar | yagoo: xhost +myusername doesn't work for me, says bad hostname |
| 20:47.18 | frikinz_ | xauth merge ~user/.Xauthority |
| 20:47.20 | blubbar | yagoo: hehe ok |
| 20:47.32 | themill | !sux |
| 20:47.32 | dpkg | sux is a utility for running X apps as a different user. "aptitude install sux" and documentation at http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ . Also ask me about <root x> for other alternatives. Sux is also the way some people spell sucks and usually implies that they don't know what they are talking about; ask me about <u>. |
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| 20:48.19 | yagoo | blubbar, u can see what the localhost display is with xdypinfo i believe |
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| 20:49.04 | yagoo | (btw xhost + , means everyone can send to ur desktop) |
| 20:49.21 | yagoo | try sux or whatever works if u wanna.. |
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| 20:49.42 | yagoo | likely the default never changes of 0.0... |
| 20:50.00 | yagoo | or whatever ur system boots into |
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| 20:51.41 | blubbar | yagoo: ic, I want to use notify-send in the end but this also doesn't work. |
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| 20:59.24 | deever | when i try 'ffmpeg -i File.mp4 File.mp3' (to get the audio from a movie), ffmpeg says: Unsupported codec for output stream #0.0 |
| 20:59.31 | deever | how can i make this work? |
| 21:00.12 | xaocon | don't know off hand but it sounds like you need an mp3 codec. do you have lame installed? |
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| 21:02.19 | deever | xaocon: do you mean twolame? |
| 21:02.22 | MrFrood | !debian-multimedia |
| 21:02.22 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
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| 21:04.13 | deever | xaocon: ? |
| 21:04.23 | nopf | or maybe here in debian (though they are ubuntus): anyone any idea why my system-monitor in the gnome-panel always seems to crash on the same day on several machines? uptime is vastly different on those.... |
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| 21:04.56 | MrFrood | deever: try liblame and ffmpeg from debian-multimedia |
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| 21:05.06 | xaocon | ^^ |
| 21:05.23 | user32jd90a | hi |
| 21:05.33 | blubbar | yagoo: ah xhost local:myuser thats the deal :) thx for your help! |
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| 21:06.36 | yagoo | np |
| 21:06.42 | deever | MrFrood: ah, thanks! 'll try |
| 21:07.04 | yagoo | MrFrood, linux is to blame? liblame ? tsk tsk |
| 21:07.08 | Bartzy | How can I change the max number of open files in my system ? |
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| 21:07.16 | Bartzy | ulimit -a shows me: open files: 1024 |
| 21:07.21 | yagoo | Bartzy, sysctl << be careful |
| 21:07.23 | Bartzy | Can I change that to 5000 ? |
| 21:07.29 | Bartzy | yagoo : It's not recommended ? |
| 21:07.31 | yagoo | Bartzy, o that one.. ulimit.. |
| 21:07.38 | yagoo | i believe its ulimit 0 |
| 21:07.49 | Bartzy | yagoo: And it applies for the specific shell ? |
| 21:08.22 | yagoo | ulimit is bash builtin-- type type ulimit .. TYPE being a command builtin as well |
| 21:08.23 | yagoo | lol |
| 21:08.28 | yagoo | not easy to say type type |
| 21:08.33 | alarmschaben | Bartzy: you can make a permanent change by changing /etc/security/limits.conf |
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| 21:09.21 | yagoo | not sure if number of open files is changeable via ulimit.. so check out stuff with what alarmschaben said too and the sysctl thingy |
| 21:09.31 | Bartzy | yagoo, alarmschaben: Why those restrictions are there ? Besides of those, there are system-wide restrictions ? So if I do ulimit -n 0, or change limits.conf - it's still safe ? |
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| 21:09.41 | Bartzy | but it's safe ? |
| 21:09.46 | Bartzy | Why there's this bash limit anyway ? |
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| 21:10.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | Bartzy: the command is a bash builtin, the limit it displays is not |
| 21:10.45 | Bartzy | oh |
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| 21:10.51 | Bartzy | But I can see the limit is per shell |
| 21:10.58 | mrdeb | whereis cpufrequency controlled in debian |
| 21:11.21 | Bartzy | When i open a new shell it's back to defaults.. so my question is why are those restrictions there, and to what value it is safe to up the open filse ? |
| 21:12.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | i suggest you spend some time researching the limit and what it provides |
| 21:14.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'll also give you a hint of 'man limits.conf' |
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| 21:20.24 | jelly-home | also man pam_limits |
| 21:20.39 | lusotux | does anyone know if gnome3 is in testing |
| 21:20.50 | Mr_Queue | lusotux: No |
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| 21:21.21 | lusotux | Mr_Queue, thks |
| 21:21.26 | Mr_Queue | lusotux: Still hasn't come through Sid.. |
| 21:21.34 | Mr_Queue | But expm. has it. |
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| 21:22.08 | deever | MrFrood: thank you, it works now! :) |
| 21:22.43 | yagoo | mrdeb, cpufrequence is controlled by the debian gods |
| 21:22.44 | MrFrood | deever: you are welcome |
| 21:23.32 | mrdeb | i'm awared of cpufrequtils |
| 21:23.39 | mrdeb | i know how it can work in other distros |
| 21:23.52 | mrdeb | but loading a module and setting ondemand control |
| 21:23.55 | mrdeb | by |
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| 21:25.40 | Bartzy | cronjobs send mails on STDERR output too ? |
| 21:25.44 | Mr_Queue | I forget what it's called, but you used to be able to see the progress on certain packages.. I remember watching gnome 2.6 work through it. Any ideas what I'm talking about? |
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| 21:26.13 | jelly-home | Bartzy: try it. |
| 21:26.22 | yagoo | Mr_Queue, SYNAPTIC |
| 21:26.22 | Bartzy | Never! :p thanks |
| 21:26.23 | yagoo | ! |
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| 21:26.27 | yagoo | !synaptic |
| 21:26.27 | dpkg | Synaptic is a graphical user interface to add, remove and reinstall packages. It has dependency handling just like apt-get and integrates well with apt-get (and if you are using lenny then it behaves well with aptitude too). http://wiki.debian.org/Synaptic http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSynaptic . Not to be confused with the <synaptics> touchpad driver. |
| 21:26.29 | Mr_Queue | yagoo: No.. |
| 21:26.35 | yagoo | lol |
| 21:26.38 | jelly-home | Bartzy: * * * * * echo hrrm 1>&2 |
| 21:26.46 | yagoo | Mr_Queue, see the details on synaptic! :PP |
| 21:26.53 | Bartzy | yeah, thanks... I will |
| 21:26.54 | jelly-home | /bin/echo, even |
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| 21:27.25 | yagoo | thinks Not to be confused with the <synaptics> touchpad driver. |
| 21:27.26 | Mr_Queue | yagoo: That's not it. It was a web page.... I'm fine with how the package manager works. |
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| 21:27.46 | henne | CBD people unite |
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| 21:28.15 | yagoo | !webmin |
| 21:28.15 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 21:28.18 | henne | is CDB due at 01:00 CET or UTC? |
| 21:28.18 | yagoo | thats all :p |
| 21:29.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | Mr_Queue: what sort of progress? |
| 21:29.25 | yagoo | Mr_Queue, that answer ur question ? |
| 21:29.32 | yagoo | notices http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 21:29.39 | Mr_Queue | yagoo: Stop while your ahead.. |
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| 21:31.15 | lusotux | !free whcp |
| 21:31.15 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig>, <ispCP> Omega and <RavenCore>. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 21:31.17 | Mr_Queue | Kamping_Kaiser: It listed all depends. They'd either be green, yellow, or red. Once everything was green it was good to go. Somewhat like watching the progress of RC bugs for a freeze date, or after the freeze for possible release date, but there was no graph. Since the layout of debian.org has changed so much, I feel lost looking around there. |
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| 21:32.23 | Mr_Queue | Kamping_Kaiser: I remember watch the progress of gnome 2.6 make its way into debian that way.. gdm was broke, or brasso was fine etc.. |
| 21:32.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | Mr_Queue: a web page? |
| 21:32.47 | Mr_Queue | Kamping_Kaiser: Yes. |
| 21:32.57 | Mr_Queue | I'm still looking for the old RC tracking page. |
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| 21:33.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm. the only thing i can think of would be the buildd pages, maybe ftp-master has something too |
| 21:33.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | sorry i can't link them up, on a bus atm |
| 21:33.34 | Mr_Queue | Kamping_Kaiser: This is for RC's... http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 21:34.33 | Mr_Queue | Kamping_Kaiser: But same idea minus the graph. It listed the package, we'll say gnome 2.6, and then everything that depended on before it was good to go. |
| 21:34.56 | Mr_Queue | It's got to be somewhere.. lol.. It's killing me. |
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| 21:36.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | can only suggest hte ones i did before - buildd.debian.org and ftp-master.debian.org hae some stuff. don't know if they're what youre after. if its nto on them somewhere i can't think where :/ |
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| 21:38.08 | Mr_Queue | Kamping_Kaiser: All close... :) Maybe they just dropped it. |
| 21:38.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | Mr_Queue: maybe. let me know if you find it again though :) |
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| 21:40.14 | Mr_Queue | Kamping_Kaiser: I will, it was a good for stuff like when people were wanting to see when gnome3 would hit Sid, or FF4, etc.. I'll keep looking.. |
| 21:40.41 | Mr_Queue | You could at least see what was holding it up, either upstream or what. |
| 21:42.07 | lusotux | ;) |
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| 21:43.37 | deever | MrFrood: a generated mp3 is cut off after 1 second...:(...do you have an idea what could be the problem? (there is no significant difference to ffmpeg output of a working example) |
| 21:44.01 | Mr_Queue | Kamping_Kaiser: Got it. http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html |
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| 21:44.36 | Mr_Queue | So,yagoo ^^ |
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| 21:44.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | Mr_Queue: nice |
| 21:44.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | almost at work, bbl |
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| 21:46.33 | MrFrood | deever: I missed the start of your posts - what are you trying to do |
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| 21:46.57 | yagoo | Mr_Queue, A gnome ( /no?m/[1]) is a diminutive spirit in Renaissance magic and alchemy, first introduced by Paracelsus and later adopted by more recent authors including those of modern fantasy literature. Its characteristics have been reinterpreted to suit the needs of various story-tellers, but it is typically said to be a small, humanoid creature that lives underground.[2] |
| 21:47.21 | wissem | hi all |
| 21:47.21 | yagoo | wonders if Mr_Queue lives undeground |
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| 21:47.57 | Mr_Queue | wtf? Are you some bot new to the channel or something? |
| 21:48.20 | yagoo | Mr_Queue, you a small humanoid creature living underground? I still never got a clear question from you |
| 21:48.29 | wissem | i'm trying to install java plugin in firefox 4. I followed all steps until I get to the step of creating a link of a file in jre folder into the plugin folder under firefox installation. |
| 21:48.42 | Mr_Queue | I have a clear solution. |
| 21:49.01 | wissem | the problem is : there is no plugin folder in the firefox installation ! |
| 21:49.33 | jhutchins_lt | wissem: What does this have to do with #debian? |
| 21:49.44 | wissem | I tried a lot of options still the plugin wasn't successfully installed |
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| 21:49.58 | wissem | sorry i didnt know where else to ask |
| 21:50.06 | jhutchins_lt | wissem: Niether firefox nor it's plugins are debian software. |
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| 21:50.19 | jhutchins_lt | wissem: Probably mozilla has once again changed where it puts it's toys. |
| 21:50.34 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions iceweasel |
| 21:50.35 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-5; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-6~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-6; wheezy: 3.5.17-1; sid: 3.5.18-1; experimental: 4.0-3 |
| 21:51.20 | wissem | jhutchins_lt: same thing with iceweasel |
| 21:51.26 | wissem | any idea where it is now ? |
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| 21:53.22 | couannette | hi |
| 21:53.31 | couannette | is there a Debian team dedicated to Printing ? |
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| 21:54.17 | dondelelcaro | couannette: not really |
| 21:54.40 | couannette | I've problems with printing and I'd like to investigate ... |
| 21:54.47 | dondelelcaro | couannette: but there aren't that many packages in Debian that deal with printing itself; pretty much only the cups maintiner(s) deal with it |
| 21:54.56 | dondelelcaro | couannette: best to ask here to start with, then... |
| 21:55.47 | couannette | yes, cups, hum that's an application problem maybe : printing works very well with kde with fails with programs based on the gnome print dialog |
| 21:56.26 | couannette | I've a postscript printer : brother mfc 9320 CW |
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| 22:01.10 | onezero | Hello, was curious if anyone might know how to remove a sym link thats giving an input/output error when attempting remove, and the dir info shows all ?'s |
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| 22:01.50 | couannette | what file system ? |
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| 22:02.03 | onezero | ext3 with a lvm |
| 22:02.28 | couannette | is there some ACL ? |
| 22:02.46 | jelly-home | onezero: do you have execute permissions on the directory? |
| 22:02.49 | onezero | had to reinstall, wiped / ,but kept the /home partition, and now some of my sym links show l????????? ? ? ? ? ? |
| 22:03.14 | onezero | Not sure about ACL, just installed latest Deb iso, and I'm currently root |
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| 22:03.19 | yagoo | onezero, hopefully its being remounted as the same filesystem type.. |
| 22:03.22 | onezero | rest of the folder seems ok |
| 22:03.33 | onezero | well, rest of the drives ok from what i can tell |
| 22:03.35 | jelly-home | onezero: umount, fsck |
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| 22:03.54 | Mr_Queue | +1, wouldn't a symlink point to a node that isn't there anymore? |
| 22:04.01 | Mr_Queue | inode. |
| 22:04.29 | onezero | they just point to another folder on the same partition |
| 22:04.39 | jelly-home | Mr_Queue: symlinks don't point to inodes. They're basically strings that get interpreted as path |
| 22:05.19 | Mr_Queue | ahh. |
| 22:05.25 | couannette | fsck : +1 |
| 22:06.08 | onezero | i should be able to umount /home and fsck without having to drop to lower runlevel shouldn't i? since / has everything else? |
| 22:06.26 | jelly-home | onezero: which distro did you use prior to current debian installation? |
| 22:06.34 | onezero | still debian |
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| 22:06.48 | onezero | just was like sarge or etch i think |
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| 22:07.03 | jelly-home | do you have backups? |
| 22:07.33 | mrdeb | what's a good backup program |
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| 22:07.40 | jelly-home | if you don't, I'd suggest making an image backup after umounting and before fsck |
| 22:07.42 | yagoo | will bb |
| 22:08.08 | onezero | k, no backup yet, 2tb worth of media content lol |
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| 22:08.21 | Mr_Queue | mrdeb: loaded question. Lots of options depending on what you need to do.. |
| 22:08.34 | mrdeb | manual, simple |
| 22:08.41 | mrdeb | no corruption |
| 22:08.45 | onezero | just use it as a samba share, where its all in /home , then a 8gb / |
| 22:08.49 | mrdeb | grsync? |
| 22:08.51 | Mr_Queue | rsync, dd, tar, |
| 22:09.03 | Mr_Queue | I do most everything with rsync.. |
| 22:09.34 | mrdeb | what's the frontend |
| 22:10.01 | Bushmills | bash :) |
| 22:10.09 | Mr_Queue | I do it right from the line.. |
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| 22:10.22 | mrdeb | yes |
| 22:10.32 | mrdeb | cp -r * TO x |
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| 22:10.47 | jelly-home | mrdeb: rsnapshot; dirvish; from the rsync-like heap, rdiff-backup; duplicity |
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| 22:11.11 | Mr_Queue | This is a bit messy, but works great. http://pastebin.com/mCzSwb9T |
| 22:11.12 | mrdeb | cool |
| 22:11.22 | mrdeb | do you like the dragon quest slime, jelly-home ? |
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| 22:11.33 | Mr_Queue | of course you'd need your own exclude list. |
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| 22:11.40 | jelly-home | everyone and their dog writes a rsync wrapper and then makes it generic enough. There's probably dozens of rsync-based scripts out there |
| 22:12.17 | jelly-home | mrdeb: I'm afraid that reference is missing me by a mile |
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| 22:12.56 | mrdeb | oh ok |
| 22:12.59 | mrdeb | here is a picture |
| 22:13.06 | jelly-home | no, please, no need to |
| 22:13.14 | Mr_Queue | hahaha |
| 22:13.19 | Mr_Queue | I'd like to see it.. lol. |
| 22:14.26 | onezero | Thanks, im fsck'ing now |
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| 22:16.09 | mrdeb | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yUMUQd839K0/TF8eV0d3kDI/AAAAAAAAAME/MwtIlsHON7U/s1600/rocketslime-778215.jpg |
| 22:16.18 | mrdeb | he is a hero |
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| 22:17.27 | Mr_Queue | jelly-home: You need a tattoo.. |
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| 22:17.38 | Mr_Queue | lol |
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| 22:17.54 | abrotman | wonders how many scripts jelly-home's dog has written ... |
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| 22:18.13 | Mr_Queue | haha.. wow.. I've not had this much fun around here in a while.. lol.. |
| 22:18.17 | themill | woof |
| 22:18.29 | jelly-home | YTMND |
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| 22:20.53 | mrdeb | http://palgn.com.au/images/avatars/gallery/D/Dragon_Quest_Slime.jpg |
| 22:21.18 | abrotman | mrdeb: #debian-offtopic please |
| 22:21.25 | mrdeb | ok |
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| 22:22.58 | tehrabbitt | Good Afternoon everyone |
| 22:23.04 | zleslie | afternoon |
| 22:23.24 | babilen | tehrabbitt: good night :) |
| 22:24.09 | zleslie | babilen: your timezone doesn't count :) |
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| 22:24.35 | mrdeb | anyway, you get the point |
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| 22:24.58 | abrotman | to be fair .. tehrabbitt's hostmask puts him in a place where it's not afternoon either ... |
| 22:25.16 | Cerales | i'm trying to SSH from my debian box but i get this error: "can't open /dev/null: permission denied" |
| 22:25.44 | Cerales | Can anyone help out? |
| 22:26.24 | mrdeb | if you change the apt sources to testing, will it turn debian into a rolling release |
| 22:26.48 | themill | iyhtays |
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| 22:31.56 | babilen | !iyhtays |
| 22:31.56 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 22:32.27 | tehrabbitt | decided to take the jump and upgrade from lenny to squeeze on my server finally... only 900MB of packages needed 0_o |
| 22:33.14 | mrdeb | which file contains the keyboard repeat rate setting |
| 22:33.25 | abrotman | in X or console? |
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| 22:33.55 | tehrabbitt | abrotman, lol i consider it "afternoon" until 7PM :-p then it becomes nighttime to me |
| 22:34.06 | abrotman | have you seen the rain? :) |
| 22:34.08 | jhutchins_lt | mrdeb: No, it really won't turn Debian into a rolling release. It will turn your system into a test system instead of a production system. |
| 22:34.35 | tehrabbitt | abrotman, yes it is raining lol |
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| 22:35.36 | tehrabbitt | mrdeb, basically the difference between "Testing" and stable is this... things can / will break time to time on testing... you shouldn't use it unless you're willing to have the occasional bug / downtime... it's great if you like to have the latest and greatest, but it's not yet "bug-free"... |
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| 22:37.15 | tehrabbitt | mrdeb, for instance, I use stable on my servers, and I am currently running testing on my laptop, mostly because my laptop is the machine I like to mess around on, and if it breaks, it's not like I lose alot of data |
| 22:37.16 | jhutchins_lt | There's a genuine difference in quality, and the difference between the stable release and the (unfrozen) testing repository is a lot more significant than the difference between other distro's current and "next" releases. |
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| 22:38.42 | ttiicc | good morning! |
| 22:39.13 | babilen | ttiicc: traitor! (also: good morning) |
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| 22:40.00 | babilen | !stable |
| 22:40.00 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 22:40.19 | babilen | tehrabbitt: that ^^^ is stable |
| 22:40.50 | tehrabbitt | babilen, I know, I use stable on my servers, and testing (wheezy) on my laptop |
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| 22:41.38 | babilen | just wanted to get the terminology straight |
| 22:42.15 | tehrabbitt | kinda scared honestly though about restarting this machine after it's finished upgrading to squeeze from lenny :-\... it prompted me alot to upgrade my MBR to Grub2, and also when the md arrays should be activated and i just chose to use the existing settings, :-\ |
| 22:42.53 | mutante | it's kind of tempting to install one of the Debian GNU/BSD systems. Stay with Debian and get away from the Linux guys.. at the same time ..hmmm |
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| 22:43.33 | tehrabbitt | there's a debian BSD? 0_o |
| 22:43.41 | tehrabbitt | mutante, whats' the biggest difference? |
| 22:43.44 | mutante | yes, even one with NetBSD and one with Open BSD |
| 22:43.51 | jelly-home | mutante: on the other hand, a very new OS not nearly tested in practice enough |
| 22:43.54 | mutante | tehrabbitt: smart-ass answer "the kernel" :p |
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| 22:44.03 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell tehrabbitt abotu kfreebsd |
| 22:44.16 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell tehrabbitt about kfreebsd |
| 22:44.17 | tehrabbitt | mutante, I just never knew debian had a BSD version |
| 22:45.16 | mutante | tehrabbitt: the theory is: GNU is the OS, it is just not completed yet, it's kernel (Hurd) isnt finished, so until that done, we need to use Linux, even though we dont really want to ;) |
| 22:46.03 | jelly-home | my GNU/Linux system is quite completed, Hurd can go die quietly somewhere |
| 22:46.57 | engla | mutante: sounds pretty similar to messiah mythology to me |
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| 22:47.30 | ttiicc | hahaha babilen |
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| 22:48.23 | tehrabbitt | well what are the advantages of BSD over Linux based kernel then? |
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| 22:49.09 | tehrabbitt | btw should I worry about this: â Tests have determined that problems in the boot system exist which prevent migration to dependency-based boot sequencing: â |
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| 22:49.21 | lifeofguenter | hi all - how come I can not disable kms in debian squeeze? |
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| 22:49.34 | tehrabbitt | insserv: warning: script 'K20ruon.serveron' missing LSB tags and overrides, |
| 22:49.45 | themill | dpkg: tell tehrabbitt about missing lsb tags |
| 22:49.58 | lifeofguenter | [ 0.000000] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686 root=UUID=a1de8af4-53d0-477e-bbd9-0529cb971e3b ro quiet splash nomodeset |
| 22:49.58 | mutante | engla / jelly-home , maybe, but out of curiosity about Hurd,, i keep asking every few years (cough) how usable it is yet.. and today i got this. which seems a major development.. an actual "HAMP" system http://wiki.archhurd.org/wiki/Installation_Guide |
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| 22:50.40 | jelly-home | mutante: quick, find a http server starting with the letter E |
| 22:50.45 | tehrabbitt | To reattempt the migration process after the problems have been fixed, run "dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc". |
| 22:50.57 | engla | mutante: thanks |
| 22:51.31 | tehrabbitt | should I worry though about restarting this system after the migration from lenny to squeeze is complete? |
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| 22:51.33 | tehrabbitt | as in, will it still boot? 0_o |
| 22:51.52 | Xiol | there's only one way to find out... |
| 22:51.53 | mutante | jelly-home: ? tell me |
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| 22:52.13 | jelly-home | mutante: not going to explain that one |
| 22:52.29 | themill | tehrabbitt: you could just fix the scripts it's complaining about first |
| 22:52.32 | tehrabbitt | Xiol, lol.... it seems that most fo the packages it's named are things like apache2, squid3, pure-ftpd etc |
| 22:53.04 | tehrabbitt | there's ALOT of them listed |
| 22:53.21 | Cerales | i'm trying to SSH from my debian box but i get this error: "can't open /dev/null: permission denied" |
| 22:53.25 | Cerales | Can anyone help out? |
| 22:54.46 | mutante | Cerales: /dev/null is a file instead of a device (file /dev/null) ? |
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| 22:55.39 | mutante | if it's a file, delete it, then recreate ~ mknod /dev/null c 2 2 ; chmod 666 /dev/null |
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| 22:56.25 | mutante | file /dev/null should return "character special" |
| 22:56.47 | themill | tehrabbitt: nothing debian provided is in the list so you've obviously been busy writing init scripts if you've got a lot in the list.... |
| 22:57.32 | tehrabbitt | themill, some of the packages were installed via dpkg files that i manually installed, so that could be it too i suppose... worst-case scenario I manually update those to the latest versions, or correct the init scripts, right? |
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| 23:10.25 | tehrabbitt | tigon/tg3_tso5.bin isn't included in squeeze by default? 0_o |
| 23:10.33 | tehrabbitt | (firmware files missing) |
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| 23:12.00 | tehrabbitt | http://pastebin.com/ST8TqkyF |
| 23:12.21 | tehrabbitt | I think i might have just broken the system pretty badly doing the upgrade :-\ |
| 23:13.28 | tehrabbitt | tg3 = network module which apparently isn't part of the kernel in squeeze :-\ |
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| 23:14.13 | Cerales | I see that /dev/null is a device, but at any rate I get "permission denied" fro mit when trying to SSH. |
| 23:14.20 | tehrabbitt | anyone have any ideas what those raid issues are in regard to? |
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| 23:17.58 | AuroraX | guys, my apt-get is asking me for WGET, but i cant instal WGET cuz i dont have MAKE installed, and i cant install MAKE without GCC, and i cant install GCC without MAKE!!!! XD |
| 23:18.01 | tehrabbitt | anyone here know about md / raid? |
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| 23:21.37 | mutante | Cerales: chmod 666 /dev/null |
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| 23:22.55 | babilen | !bat |
| 23:22.55 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 23:23.05 | babilen | AuroraX: ^^^ Please provide that info |
| 23:23.15 | AuroraX | OMG |
| 23:23.26 | AuroraX | by making apt-get MAKE he instaled make |
| 23:23.32 | AuroraX | without downloading it |
| 23:23.41 | AuroraX | serious voodo here lol |
| 23:24.23 | babilen | AuroraX: I have no idea what you are talking about |
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| 23:25.25 | Bushmills | wget doesn't depend on make |
| 23:25.51 | Bushmills | make doesn't depend on gcc |
| 23:26.05 | AuroraX | babilen: a friend of myne vought this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SheevaPlug |
| 23:26.16 | AuroraX | babilen: and it came with debian |
| 23:26.30 | themill | Bushmills: you missed the other half of the conversation about build-essential that was mysteriously in #ubuntu.... |
| 23:26.36 | AuroraX | babilen: but it only had tar and apt-get installed so far i knew |
| 23:26.53 | Bushmills | themill: ah. i was just about to type "must be a different distribution" |
| 23:27.06 | AuroraX | i tried to install APACHE and MYSQL but apt-get complaint he had no WGET |
| 23:27.18 | AuroraX | i tried to download WGET from source forge |
| 23:27.25 | tehrabbitt | ok so the apt-get dist-upgrade seemed to have failed :-\ |
| 23:27.27 | AuroraX | then WGET needed MAKE to compile |
| 23:27.30 | babilen | why would you do that? |
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| 23:27.41 | tehrabbitt | Running mktexlsr. This may take some time... done. |
| 23:27.41 | tehrabbitt | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 23:27.42 | tehrabbitt | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.42 | tehrabbitt | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 23:27.43 | AuroraX | babilen: do what? |
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| 23:27.45 | karsten__ | AuroraX, apt-get install build-essantials? |
| 23:27.48 | themill | AuroraX: was does "cat /etc/debian_version" say? |
| 23:27.55 | babilen | AuroraX: To cut this short: Do you actually need help with anything? |
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| 23:27.57 | karsten__ | AuroraX, do the trick for you |
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| 23:28.19 | karsten__ | and again! I LOVE DEBIAN |
| 23:28.20 | AuroraX | babilen: right now no, the problem seems to be solved, i was just commenting with you |
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| 23:28.25 | karsten__ | it rocks my work! |
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| 23:28.40 | AuroraX | karsten__: yes, i did that then, thanks |
| 23:29.12 | Bushmills | tehrabbitt: you must paste faster, to trick the bit into not acting so quickly |
| 23:29.13 | babilen | AuroraX: I still have no idea what you are talking about and doubt that you are using Debian. (Also in the light of recent comments by other distinguished members of the #d society) |
| 23:29.13 | karsten__ | AuroraX, most time in debian - everything works, only problem is: HOW?! ;-) |
| 23:29.28 | Bushmills | bot ... |
| 23:29.36 | karsten__ | babilen, he is in the dependencie hell |
| 23:30.04 | karsten__ | babilen, quite simple - told him the meta package for compiling and keep smiling using debian |
| 23:30.15 | karsten__ | :-P |
| 23:30.20 | MrFrood | aptitude build-dep? |
| 23:30.22 | tehrabbitt | Bushmills, it accidently included a return in the paste which made it send before I could trim it down 0_o |
| 23:30.24 | themill | karsten__: more likely just an out of date Packages list for ubuntu 9.04. |
| 23:30.25 | AuroraX | karsten__: yes, i've generated many how's this last hour, but you're still right, everything worked so far ^ |
| 23:30.38 | AuroraX | babilen: read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SheevaPlug |
| 23:30.48 | karsten__ | AuroraX, i have one |
| 23:30.51 | karsten__ | too |
| 23:30.54 | karsten__ | great device |
| 23:31.02 | tehrabbitt | anyone here know the best way of upgrading from lenny to squeeze? dist-upgrade is giving me issues :-\ |
| 23:31.19 | AuroraX | karsten__: what do you use it for? i think im gonna get one too, looks pretty cool |
| 23:31.20 | karsten__ | and i have KORG Kaossilator - great synthiser |
| 23:31.28 | babilen | tehrabbitt: the release notes describe that process in great detail |
| 23:31.30 | AuroraX | karsten__: im trying to make XAMPP run on my friend's one |
| 23:31.34 | babilen | !tell tehrabbitt -about release notes |
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| 23:31.47 | Bushmills | tehrabbitt: apt-get or aptitude? |
| 23:31.49 | karsten__ | AuroraX, use openwrt, everything else (still debian :-( ) is to buggy |
| 23:31.57 | themill | tehrabbitt: can you pastebin the entire output of "apt-get -f install". Please use a pastebin; /msg dpkg paste |
| 23:31.57 | MrFrood | tehrabbitt: try aptitude and work through the various senarios it gives you |
| 23:31.58 | babilen | dpkg: tell tehrabbitt -about lenny->squeeze |
| 23:32.17 | karsten__ | KVM rocks my server!!! |
| 23:32.30 | themill | dpkg: tell AuroraX about xampp |
| 23:32.37 | Bushmills | karsten__: that's bad for the hard disks |
| 23:32.40 | karsten__ | question: i use "ipcalc" for ipv4 planing |
| 23:32.49 | babilen | tehrabbitt: That should give you an idea about what you should have done. It would be great if you could let us know where you are in the upgrade process and provide some output on a pastebin (specified by the others) |
| 23:32.54 | karsten__ | Bushmills, why? |
| 23:33.04 | Bushmills | rocking servers... |
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| 23:33.17 | karsten__ | question: what i use for ipv6? ______???? |
| 23:33.27 | MrFrood | giggles @ Bushmills |
| 23:33.29 | karsten__ | i got an /64 network from my isp |
| 23:33.46 | karsten__ | and i am a ipv6 NOOB |
| 23:34.03 | AuroraX | karsten__: openwrt? inst that for routers? |
| 23:34.23 | Bushmills | "debian - isn't that for servers?" |
| 23:35.04 | AuroraX | themill: i see.. but XAMPP is portable, at least on windows (omg i said the W word :O) |
| 23:35.17 | themill | that's not an advantage |
| 23:35.18 | tehrabbitt | babilen, I just ran "apt-get dist-upgrade" after doing an apt-get update... I changed my apt sources to reflect the upgrade as I normally would in the past. about halfway through, it started showing errors which got me concerned / I don't feel it upgraded successfully |
| 23:35.24 | tehrabbitt | http://pastebin.com/VXj1x5nS |
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| 23:35.30 | tehrabbitt | those are the errors that got me concerned |
| 23:35.36 | AuroraX | themill: although, i dont need portability on this one, i may use dpkg's way :P |
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| 23:35.57 | tehrabbitt | babilen, especially the word "unbootable" being used in there 0_o |
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| 23:36.37 | stinerman | I've got a really odd problem -- the 'c' key plays/pauses rhythmbox whenever the focus is set on the player. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 23:36.57 | tehrabbitt | here is my mdadm/mkconf as it tells me to compare to: http://pastebin.com/8hLEkiNg |
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| 23:37.06 | babilen | tehrabbitt: To get that clear: You did not upgrade the kernel and udev before running dist-upgrade? |
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| 23:37.21 | tehrabbitt | no :-\ |
| 23:37.28 | dvs | oops |
| 23:38.13 | babilen | tehrabbitt: Ok, come back in 9 ½ hours and I talk you through this. Others might help now, /me is not going to start working on this now. |
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| 23:40.39 | tehrabbitt | babilen, well during the upgrade I didnt' seem to get any errors regarding udev / the kernel being upgraded, the only errors I got were that a module is not included in non-free "tg3" (network controller for my gigabit card) and that mdadm was finding "superfluous RAID member"... it also mentioned that /dev/md5 is marked active but that it's not listed in mdadm.conf |
| 23:41.03 | tehrabbitt | which is a drive that I use: /dev/md5 286702212 40040152 246662060 14% /storage/RAID5 |
| 23:42.08 | stinerman | ok, i'm an idiot. somehow it got set as the override for Alt+P. |
| 23:43.49 | tehrabbitt | btw, md5 is listed in mdadm.conf |
| 23:43.50 | tehrabbitt | ARRAY /dev/md5 level=raid5 num-devices=4 UUID=2304b70d:3a9cc4e5:66e3f00a:1f15e9c4 |
| 23:44.00 | tehrabbitt | so idk what that error was about :-\ |
| 23:46.14 | Kano | hi, whats the nickname of Mike Hommey? |
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| 23:47.01 | themill | Kano: he's not on this network |
| 23:47.08 | Kano | oftc? |
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| 23:47.55 | tehrabbitt | Basically how can I fix this so I can still SSH into the box? i've backed up my files onto an external drive just in case there are any issues but basically I don't wanna send the reboot command and need to worry about the server not coming back up :-\ |
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| 23:51.01 | jesselang | I'm trying to build a Debian package from a git repository. I am the one managing this software. Most of the docs I've seen about git-buildpackage revolve around dealing with "upstream", which I don't have to worry about. |
| 23:51.36 | jesselang | But getting started building this software into a Debian package is eluding me. Can anyone point out resources to help me? |
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| 23:52.39 | themill | jesselang: basing your workflow around the separation of "upstream" and "packaging" activities is still a good idea and git-buildpackage will still help you with that. |
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| 23:53.10 | tehrabbitt | will installing the package firmware-linux-nonfree fix the issue? |
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| 23:54.05 | jesselang | themill, OK. But I'm starting with a well established git repo, not a tarball. How do I set things up with git-buildpackage? |
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| 23:54.28 | jesselang | "Upstream sources on a branch"? |
| 23:54.32 | themill | tehrabbitt: that will give you the tg3 firmware (which you may not actually need for your specific card). The md problem is separate to that. |
| 23:54.39 | tehrabbitt | not sure if anyone can help me but here's the pastebin after installing that package: http://pastebin.com/Wyh5wPDy |
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| 23:54.57 | jesselang | I guess that might be the ticket. |
| 23:55.18 | tehrabbitt | themill, so now that that package is installed I should keep network connectivity / not have to worry about losing ssh ability after reboot? |
| 23:55.50 | tehrabbitt | themill, md5 is my raid5 storage array, the debian install / boot dir and everything are on a different array |
| 23:55.56 | tehrabbitt | md0 and md1 I beleive |
| 23:56.05 | themill | jesselang: you presumably release by tagging or have a stable branch -- you can configure gitbp to use that branch rather than "upstream". You may wish to use a "debian" branch for the packaging bits. A tarball must still be generated, but gitbp can make that for you out of your repo. |
| 23:56.10 | tehrabbitt | so in theory, it would boot, but I would lose access to my files, correct? |
| 23:56.55 | jesselang | themill, I was just going to ask that. So I can configure the conf file to use master, and the packaging bits will be in debian. OK. Thanks! |
| 23:57.00 | tehrabbitt | themill, again here is the output of installing that firmware package: http://pastebin.com/Wyh5wPDy |
| 23:57.17 | themill | tehrabbitt: I've not looked carefully enough and I'm too tired to get started on those sorts of problems too... you need someone in a TZ a few hours to my west to help you. |
| 23:58.15 | tehrabbitt | aight :-\.... |
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| 23:58.28 | themill | jesselang: yeah. http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/notes/debian/git.html and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/DevelopPackaging are the best documentation I know of for using git with debian packaging. |
| 23:58.43 | themill | tehrabbitt: good luck.... there are plenty of others around who will chip in. |
| 23:59.00 | jesselang | themill, thanks a bunch. |
| 23:59.00 | tehrabbitt | alright :) |
| 23:59.20 | tehrabbitt | for anyone who can help, here is my mdadm.conf file: http://pastebin.com/yx6JN5sD |
