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| 00:00.17 | tehrabbitt | and here's my mkconf output: http://pastebin.com/cE3vr91H |
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| 00:00.56 | tehrabbitt | here's my "df" output as well: http://pastebin.com/5egBxUZ3 |
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| 00:01.49 | tehrabbitt | md1 = root, md0 = boot, so if it's giving an error about md5, I shouldn't need to worry about the system "booting" correct? |
| 00:03.43 | tehrabbitt | anyone here still? |
| 00:03.52 | AuroraX | RichiH: thanks for the dead URL |
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| 00:03.59 | AuroraX | Ricardo__: ola ricardo |
| 00:04.14 | AuroraX | Ricardo__: tass bem? |
| 00:04.54 | xand | http://www.debian.org/ - woot, my city has its own distro now. |
| 00:04.54 | tehrabbitt | anyone here able to give me a hand with making sure my system will still boot once i type "reboot" in? :-\ |
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| 00:09.12 | kba | when I SSH into my Debian, the settings from .bashrc aren't being applied until I start bash by writing "bash" in the shell. |
| 00:09.24 | kba | Why is this so? I'm already using /bin/bash according to $SHELL |
| 00:09.42 | tehrabbitt | is there a way to re-do the upgrade to squeeze from lenny so I can be sure it will work? :-\ |
| 00:09.51 | tehrabbitt | since it seems some packages that were installed previously are now not installed |
| 00:10.51 | engla | kba: .bashrc is only used by bash when not a login shell, then it uses .bash_profile |
| 00:12.32 | kba | engla: when not a login shell, what exactly do you mean by that? |
| 00:12.43 | kba | oh, nvm. |
| 00:12.50 | kba | so I should just rename .bashrc to .bash_profile |
| 00:13.17 | tehrabbitt | can anyone here give me a hand? :-\ i'm tempted to just reboot it but I don't want to end up stuck where I have no physical access to the machine, and I'm sshed into it |
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| 00:13.22 | kba | I fixed it, thank you, engla :) |
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| 00:16.48 | RichiH | AuroraX: self-inflicted ddos |
| 00:17.07 | RichiH | you want to check it later; there's a competition |
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| 00:21.09 | jesselang | This seems a lot more complex than it should be. |
| 00:22.40 | tehrabbitt | question for whoever can help me... I just finished the upgrade from lenny to squeeze, I did get some errors about init.d scripts not being properly set up for squeeze, and i also received some errors stating that mdadm detected that one of my RAID arrays (the one i use for backup storage) is active but not listed in the mdadm.conf file (but it is). Lastly, it said that the module "tg3" could not be installed since it was inclu |
| 00:22.41 | tehrabbitt | ded in "firmware-non-free" |
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| 00:23.37 | AuroraX | RichiH: ok :) |
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| 00:24.02 | tehrabbitt | Now i've re-installed apache / mysql / samba (three of the scripts that had errors) and I've also installed the linux-nonfree-firmware package or whatever it was called... but my concern is that after rebooting I will not have access to my system if network does not come back up (the firmware) |
| 00:24.26 | tehrabbitt | if I am unable to ssh into the system, it will be a minimum of a week before I'll have physical access to the machine |
| 00:24.31 | rofl0r | just try it >:D |
| 00:24.47 | tehrabbitt | rofl0r, I'm tempted to, but i'm scared I'll lose ssh access |
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| 00:25.06 | tehrabbitt | or that one of the arrays not spinning up will cause the system not to boot or such :-\ |
| 00:25.31 | tehrabbitt | basically the "apt-get upgrade" exited with a (1) not a (0) |
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| 00:25.43 | tehrabbitt | and when I ran it a second time, it just said "0 packges to upgrade" |
| 00:26.01 | tehrabbitt | so I feel it didnt' really upgrade everything and I might only have "half" a system, if that makes any sense |
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| 00:26.59 | RichiH | AuroraX: it's static now |
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| 00:27.50 | aguitel | how use ntp servers to sincronize time? |
| 00:28.58 | Miesco | I'm setting up exim4 with passwd.client and when I open mutt it says no such mailbox: /var/mail |
| 00:29.10 | tehrabbitt | i guess my question is, is there any way to verify that the system is bootable at least to a base install? I don't care about having to reinstall packages, all I care about is maintaining connectivity at this point |
| 00:30.16 | Bushmills | aguitel: you configure them, then you run them |
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| 00:31.49 | tehrabbitt | can anyone help me with this? :-\ honestly i'm basically just sitting here at a prompt not knowing if I should just take the risk of rebooting or not :-\ |
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| 00:34.24 | aguitel | Bushmills, how configure? |
| 00:34.31 | dondelelcaro | tehrabbitt: if you don't have physical access or serial access, you shouldn't reboot. |
| 00:34.53 | dondelelcaro | tehrabbitt: and if this is a machine that you do a lot of work with remotely, getting remote serial access and remote power should be high on your todo list |
| 00:34.54 | tehrabbitt | And I won't have physical access unless I *need* to go there as it's a 150 mile drive |
| 00:34.54 | Bushmills | aguitel: use an editor, customize relevant config files according youir likings |
| 00:35.21 | aguitel | Bushmills, is there guide for this? |
| 00:35.28 | Bushmills | probably |
| 00:35.41 | tehrabbitt | dondelelcaro, it's a server I back up to / hosts my website as well... right now it seems as if it's broken, because many services that were running before the upgrade won't start now |
| 00:35.46 | tehrabbitt | such as apache |
| 00:36.22 | dondelelcaro | well, you probably should work on fixing those first |
| 00:36.25 | tehrabbitt | now I don't mind having to re-install apache, what i'm asking is: Is there a way to either #1 re-install via ssh from scratch without physical access, or #2, fix whatever is broken |
| 00:36.56 | dondelelcaro | tehrabbitt: there's always a way to fix whatever is broken... but you'll have to give us more details on what precisely isn't working |
| 00:37.00 | Miesco | !exim4 |
| 00:37.00 | dpkg | Exim 4 is the default <MTA> in Debian since sarge. The Debian package has a debconf-driven configuration which greatly eases configuration for most run-of-the-mill applications. E-Mail is a complicated matter, so it might be necessary to read a lot of documentation to allow more advanced features. exim4 is very powerful and flexible. Find more about Debian's exim4 on http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 00:37.40 | tehrabbitt | dondelelcaro, well, I screwed up I think in the process of upgrading and did a "dist-upgrade" before rebooting / never did a regular "upgrade" |
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| 00:38.12 | tehrabbitt | so the "dist-upgrade" failed and errored out... I had posted the pastebins of the errors sayign that mdadm can't find md5 in it's conf file (but it's there) |
| 00:38.45 | tehrabbitt | my biggest concern however is that I received MANY errors about my "tg3" driver not being able to be installed as it is included in "non-free" |
| 00:38.47 | dvs | tehrabbitt: the problem is that you didn't upgrade the kernel and udev before doing the dist upgrade, like the install instructions said |
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| 00:39.27 | tehrabbitt | dvs: correct, and now i'm not sure if it will boot, or if it does boot, if' i'll be able to connect to it as tg3 driver is my network driver, and i have no way of knowing if it's going to have connectivity after a reboot |
| 00:39.56 | fredden | Where might I be able to find the kernel configuration used by debian to build the kernels in their tree? It looks like they chose not to include /proc/config.gz :( |
| 00:39.59 | tehrabbitt | I mean even if it does boot up, if tg3 for whatever reason doesn't load, I wont have ssh access, http access, anything |
| 00:40.36 | tehrabbitt | at the same time, I received multiple errors in regard to GRUB saying: http://pastebin.com/ST8TqkyF |
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| 00:41.49 | Bushmills | fredden: in /boot |
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| 00:42.09 | tehrabbitt | dondelelcaro, any ideas on how I can go about fixing this? |
| 00:42.50 | fredden | thanks Bushmills |
| 00:43.47 | tehrabbitt | dvs: any way to fix this? |
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| 00:44.09 | aguitel | Bushmills, i see in :http://wiki.debian.org/NTP only have to install ntp ,is this correct? |
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| 00:44.56 | dvs | tehrabbitt: I know nothing about RAID. I have a simple RAID1 and it's not the boot drive. |
| 00:45.01 | Bushmills | if your chose that daemon, ntpd, from package ntp, that is right, yes. |
| 00:45.34 | tehrabbitt | dvs: I mean, is there a way to redo the upgrade? or what's done is done? |
| 00:46.05 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 00:46.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>. |
| 00:46.06 | dvs | tehrabbitt: Unless you can get the new kernel in, I don't see a solution. |
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| 00:46.33 | tehrabbitt | the kernel did come over apparently, that part installed |
| 00:46.36 | tehrabbitt | dvs: the errors came after the kernel, when trying to install Grub2 |
| 00:47.29 | dvs | tehrabbitt: If the firmware files are loaded too then it should be loaded when you reboot. |
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| 00:48.19 | tehrabbitt | dvs: alright... I did install the package that the firmware was claimed to be a part of, so hopefully that's all I needed to do :-\ |
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| 00:49.09 | tehrabbitt | dvs: also the error it's giving me is talking about "md5" which is a raid5 array, nothing to do with my boot array, my boot array is mentioned in grub / everything else "looks" ok... i'm just worried because someone mentioned I did things out of order 0_o |
| 00:49.26 | dvs | Again, I know nothing about RAID |
| 00:50.17 | tehrabbitt | alright |
| 00:50.48 | tehrabbitt | dvs: so in theory as long as the network module was installed, and the kernel is there, I shouldn't have a problem, correct? |
| 00:50.59 | tehrabbitt | is there a way to check if the new kernel is there? |
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| 00:51.12 | dvs | tehrabbitt: ls /boot |
| 00:51.30 | jesselang | I think my problem is that I just want to generate a binary package, not source packages. |
| 00:51.44 | tehrabbitt | dvs, here's my output: http://pastebin.com/4Ds1WdAQ |
| 00:52.04 | tehrabbitt | vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 would be squeeze's right? |
| 00:52.16 | dvs | yup |
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| 00:53.43 | tehrabbitt | dvs, here's my grub.cfg entry that it autogenerated: http://pastebin.com/W8gZxZfp |
| 00:53.54 | tehrabbitt | it looks like it did set it to "md0" |
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| 00:55.34 | dvs | looks like it |
| 00:55.45 | tehrabbitt | dvs, alright, i'm gonna reboot and cross my fingers :-\ |
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| 00:56.27 | Qt-on-GTK | what do I need to install on debian to get qt apps look good on gtk? |
| 00:56.41 | tehrabbitt | i'll give it 2-3 min for it to come back up to be able to ssh back into it and hopefully it'll all be fine 0_o |
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| 00:58.27 | MarconM | who use linux mint debian |
| 00:58.50 | Qt-on-GTK | help how do I get qt apps to look good on gtk |
| 00:58.52 | dondelelcaro | MarconM: mint isn't Debian, and isn't really on topic here |
| 00:59.40 | MarconM | mint is not debian .. mint is debian based |
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| 01:01.17 | Hamled | I'm looking for a commandline tool similar to process monitor for Windows. Specifically, I want to be able to see a historical list of file access attempts by a particular process (lsof seems to only provide what files are open at the moment lsof is run) |
| 01:01.25 | Hamled | anyone know of a tool that can do that? |
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| 01:01.47 | tehrabbitt | well it's down :( no route to host |
| 01:01.55 | tehrabbitt | looks like i'll be reformatting next week :-\ |
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| 01:03.42 | zfran | Hamled you could use strace |
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| 01:14.15 | flaccid | anyone seen any issues with debootstrap in 6.0.1 or is it good2go for debootstrapping squeeze? |
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| 01:14.51 | indamoth | how do i remove ubuntu? |
| 01:15.35 | dvs | gets the flamethrower |
| 01:16.08 | flaccid | agreed |
| 01:16.15 | flaccid | meh i'll just do a few new tests heh |
| 01:16.20 | flaccid | ignore me :) |
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| 01:19.15 | boogerking | how do i mount a dell perc4 device |
| 01:21.08 | indamoth | how do i remove ubuntu? |
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| 01:21.47 | comradekingu | indamoth: You install debian over it |
| 01:22.08 | comradekingu | indamoth: The installer takes care of repartitioning |
| 01:22.14 | boogerking | as in mount -t ntfs /dev/??? /mnt/windows |
| 01:22.23 | dvs | !comradeking++ |
| 01:22.25 | boogerking | having trouble identifying what the device is called |
| 01:23.49 | flaccid | you throw your puter in high grade acid |
| 01:24.08 | dvs | boogerking: I'd think there would be something in the /var/log/messages file |
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| 01:24.31 | boogerking | for the device loading during boot? |
| 01:24.57 | boogerking | its a dell perc4 but i think its megaraid driver? does that make any sense? |
| 01:25.06 | dvs | boogerking: not necessarily loading but being identified. |
| 01:25.25 | boogerking | ty dvs, i will look |
| 01:26.01 | dvs | np |
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| 01:27.23 | dvs | toad! |
| 01:28.00 | crapeau | dvs: youre fast |
| 01:28.04 | dvs | heh |
| 01:28.09 | dvs | I just like Air Farce |
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| 01:28.32 | flaccid | um am i tripping out http://www.debian.org/ |
| 01:28.39 | flaccid | the canterbury distribution |
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| 01:29.14 | str1ngs | flaccid: you have been assimulated |
| 01:29.21 | flaccid | wtf |
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| 01:33.34 | boogerking | megadev is not a block device |
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| 01:39.13 | boogerking | derr |
| 01:39.18 | boogerking | totally sda2 |
| 01:39.20 | boogerking | DERR |
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| 01:43.39 | capitan__ | lol @ www.debian.org |
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| 01:54.00 | jesselang | It's a little early for April fools, isn't it? |
| 01:54.17 | dvs | jesselang: Not in some parts of the world |
| 01:54.47 | dvs | It's already over in Australia |
| 01:54.47 | jesselang | dvs, good point. :) |
| 01:55.50 | aguitel | here march start |
| 01:55.51 | jesselang | Nice collaboration. :) |
| 01:55.57 | capitan__ | dvs, "i reckon it's still earley for the impowtant parts o the world!", says the guy a few states east of me... |
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| 01:56.08 | dvs | WV? |
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| 01:56.25 | capitan__ | what's WV? west virginia? |
| 01:56.33 | dvs | yepper |
| 01:56.40 | capitan__ | ha. probably ;) |
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| 01:57.03 | capitan__ | although, that's QUITE a few states east of me (california) |
| 01:57.14 | dvs | and north |
| 01:57.56 | capitan__ | hehe... how are you such a geography expert? |
| 01:58.25 | dvs | I'm not a beauty contestant! |
| 01:58.32 | dvs | and I have maps! |
| 01:59.11 | capitan__ | lol! |
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| 02:00.29 | capitan__ | i actually really like the design of the april fools site... kudos to whoever whipped it together :D |
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| 02:05.16 | mmlevitt | I'd like to apply to the GSOC2011, Debian, Idea on Genetic Cloning http://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2011/GeneticCloning |
| 02:05.48 | Craigwd_2000 | Good April Fools joke: I love it; but more importantly; now I might actually try Grml eventually seeing as how it's one of the few AMD64 FluxBox Debian based distros out there... |
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| 02:10.55 | wchicken | hey guys -- my smartmontools says my SSD doesn't support S.M.A.R.T. but I get the feeling it does -- any way to see if there is a driver issue? |
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| 02:13.16 | wobblyonions | Hi guys , how do I do something in Debian and time how long it takes |
| 02:13.29 | wchicken | wobblyonions: time <your command> |
| 02:13.33 | wobblyonions | thanks |
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| 02:17.14 | woshty | nice webpage btw |
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| 02:24.08 | slidesinger | I'm having a puzzling thing going on. I am setting up postfix-tls for using gmail smtp. I followed the instructions here: http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Postfix_configured_with_Gmail_SMTP, which seem to be really well written. |
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| 02:24.27 | slidesinger | However, when I sent a mail, (using mailx from the command line) and did tail /var/log/mail.log I got the following error in the log: certificate verification failed for smtp.gmail.com[74.125.93.109]:587: untrusted issuer /C=US/O=Equifax/OU=Equifax Secure Certificate Authority. Googling produced results that ranged from disabling tls to using Thawte_Premium_Server_CA.pem as the issuer. |
| 02:24.33 | slidesinger | I tried deleted the certs and regenned using Thawte and still get the same error, e.g. untrusted issuer /C=US/O=Equifax/OU=Equifax Secure Certificate Authority, though I think that should now be Thawte. I have restarted postfix, even rebooted the server once, yet the error remains the same. Suggestions? |
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| 02:32.20 | somx | dir |
| 02:32.41 | dvs | ls |
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| 02:36.29 | buhman | I just installed squeeze, and I must say I am impressed |
| 02:36.39 | dvs | o_O |
| 02:37.18 | buhman | Not even having been a debian fan previously; nor am I partial to gnome all that much either, which is saying a lot that I like squeeze out of the box |
| 02:37.52 | buhman | of course having irssi configured for sasl with freenode out of the box would have been a plus :P |
| 02:37.54 | dvs | I don't like GNOME. I use KDE. |
| 02:38.31 | buhman | dvs: same here; but like I said, I "just" installed squeeze from the "traditional" installer |
| 02:39.48 | somx | have anyone of you installed nvida drivers on squeeze? |
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| 02:43.03 | seeker7 | ok it has been awhile since i have been on. I am trying to install drivers for a network printer epson workforce 610. i have the drivers on the debian box just do not know how to make them work |
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| 02:51.18 | seeker7 | version 2.22 is that lenny |
| 02:52.09 | Dewi | seeker7: no |
| 02:52.26 | seeker7 | dewi: what version is it |
| 02:52.40 | Dewi | seeker7: lenny? 5. |
| 02:53.04 | seeker7 | dewi: so how do i find version number from command line |
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| 02:53.26 | Dewi | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 02:54.07 | seeker7 | dewi: thanks it is 5 so I do have lenny |
| 02:55.22 | seeker7 | dewi: do you have any suggestions on how I can install drivers for my network epson workforce 610? I downloaded some from epson and have them in a folder in my home directory |
| 02:57.06 | Dewi | seeker7: no, sorry. I'd try to find one packaged for debian though |
| 02:57.56 | seeker7 | dewi:what would i search for as far as name apt-get install ????? |
| 02:58.57 | seeker7 | dewi: thanks what happened to the debian site |
| 03:00.07 | seeker7 | well got to go this is a problem for later. thanks. |
| 03:00.45 | MatthewPowell | soon we all will install with a emerge-pacman-apt-get-yast install-NAOLUL package command right xD |
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| 03:10.36 | buhman | super noob question: I was poking around on the documentation, and I finally found in the manpage that editing /etc/apt/source.list will probably help me a little, but the package that's supposed to be there isn't |
| 03:10.40 | buhman | what am I doing wrong? |
| 03:11.12 | Stupendoussteve | Sure you didn't edit sources.list? |
| 03:11.20 | Stupendoussteve | What package are you trying to install, and from where? |
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| 03:13.03 | dvs | buhman: What did you change? |
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| 03:15.38 | buhman | dvs: line 12 and 13 : http://paste.debian.net/112604/ |
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| 03:15.59 | Stupendoussteve | Ick ick |
| 03:16.47 | dvs | buhman: That won't work. Erase those lines. |
| 03:16.58 | dvs | buhman: Use aptitude to install the package. |
| 03:17.21 | Stupendoussteve | buhman: Line 7 already has that covered |
| 03:18.00 | buhman | oh, so then why doesn't apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree work? |
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| 03:18.19 | dvs | buhman: Did you do a apt-get update first? |
| 03:18.24 | buhman | heh, no |
| 03:18.43 | Stupendoussteve | You have to update periodically or apt doesn't know what packages are available |
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| 03:20.47 | Stupendoussteve | Well, after the initial update it will know what's available, won't know about any upgrades though |
| 03:21.39 | buhman | dvs: http://paste.debian.net/112605/ |
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| 03:22.07 | Stupendoussteve | buhman: You need to remove line 13 |
| 03:22.47 | dvs | yeah |
| 03:23.14 | dvs | <dvs> buhman: That won't work. Erase those lines. |
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| 03:23.49 | buhman | dvs: ok |
| 03:24.26 | buhman | speaking of editing, vi doesn't work the way I expect it to, and I'm not sure how to "fix" it |
| 03:25.07 | buhman | I try to go to insert mode, but I'm not told --insert-- as usual, and then when I try to use the arrow keys, it inserts d, e, s, and other weird characters |
| 03:25.07 | simonlnu | irst, use vim, not vi. vi makes vim go into vi compatibility mode, which makes it behave weird (to me) |
| 03:25.11 | simonlnu | fi* |
| 03:25.20 | buhman | simonlnu: oh |
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| 03:26.13 | dvs | buhman: Use "j" to go down to that line. press "d" twice. Then type ":wq" and hit enter. |
| 03:26.40 | buhman | simonlnu: oh, wow, thanks. I had no idea I've been using vim this entire time :P |
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| 03:28.28 | buhman | dvs, Stupendoussteve wow, thanks; it's magically working now |
| 03:28.53 | dvs | buhman: erase line 5 too |
| 03:30.30 | buhman | dvs: I saw that one was causing problems and I commented that out shortly after pasting that; thanks |
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| 03:33.47 | buhman | I've been having this problem in every distribution I've been on with this machine: nm-applet tells me that wireless is disabled, and I can never seem to make either of my wireless cards work with NetworkManager. |
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| 03:34.02 | buhman | I have an ath9k and a rt2500usb |
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| 03:34.50 | dvs | buhman: http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
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| 03:38.23 | diegoviola | hi |
| 03:38.27 | diegoviola | what is Canterbury? |
| 03:38.38 | dvs | the new Debian! |
| 03:38.45 | dvs | (or it's April) |
| 03:38.55 | buhman | dvs: hmm, that doesn't appear to be relevant; aptitude update && aptitude install wireless-tools tells me that no packages need to be installed/updated/etc... |
| 03:39.11 | xoz | http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110401 |
| 03:39.18 | dvs | modprobe worked? |
| 03:39.29 | diegoviola | ? |
| 03:39.32 | buhman | ifconfig wlan0 up seems to have no effect, and ath9k is already loaded according to hwinfo |
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| 03:40.13 | buhman | dvs: yes |
| 03:40.24 | DammitJim | ifconfig eth1 up? |
| 03:40.32 | dvs | buhman: what does "ip link" say? |
| 03:41.07 | buhman | dvs: http://paste.debian.net/112607/ |
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| 03:43.48 | dvs | buhman: iwlist wlan0 scanning |
| 03:44.48 | buhman | dvs: I don't seem to have iwlist |
| 03:44.55 | buhman | dvs: neither do the repositories, apparently |
| 03:46.32 | dvs | buhman: it's a part of wireless-tools |
| 03:46.44 | buhman | odd |
| 03:47.44 | buhman | dvs: http://paste.debian.net/112608/ |
| 03:48.12 | dvs | run it as root? |
| 03:48.16 | buhman | that is root |
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| 03:48.33 | joeb_ | how can i control a pid / takeover it and watch whats going on remoteley .. i have tried reptyr strace and some other stuff .. any ideas ? |
| 03:49.59 | buhman | dvs: sudo seems to be misconfigured, by the way; haven't looked in to it yet |
| 03:51.51 | Stupendoussteve | buhman: Is your user in the sudo group? |
| 03:51.52 | dvs | buhman: well, if ip link shows the interfaces, it should be able to be configured. |
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| 03:53.14 | Stupendoussteve | joeb_: Run it in screen or tmux. Don't believe you can take over a process otherwise as you are a separate user as far as it is concerned |
| 03:53.46 | buhman | Stupendoussteve: probably not |
| 03:54.10 | buhman | Stupendoussteve: I guess I'm used to being in it automagically |
| 03:56.10 | buhman | dvs: http://img.susepaste.org/view/raw/63885879 |
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| 03:56.41 | buhman | dvs: wow... I'm terribly sorry for wasting your time... |
| 03:57.08 | dvs | ??? |
| 03:57.10 | buhman | dvs: I simply had to check "enable wireless"... |
| 03:57.23 | dvs | !lart buhman |
| 03:57.23 | dpkg | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags buhman into court suing for $200 million |
| 03:58.33 | buhman | dvs: F14 and openSUSE 11.4 (both x86 and x86_64) were completely broken, so that's why I didn't even try that :P |
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| 04:01.13 | flamingspinach | can anyone recommend what to install on a new system in terms of fonts? I didn't install a desktop environment (just basically xorg and a minimal window manager) so I suspect I don't have enough fonts :) |
| 04:01.38 | flamingspinach | so far I've gotten ttf-inconsolata for monospace, which is nice |
| 04:02.47 | centHOGG | fonts are great |
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| 04:09.18 | draeath | Perhaps i'm missing something. I've got an apt repository added, and I can see the relevant stuff in /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 04:09.28 | draeath | however, none of the packages are showing up in aptitude, apt-cache, apt-get etc! |
| 04:09.41 | draeath | there's no errors when I refresh, and it pulls the metadata |
| 04:09.49 | draeath | where should I start sniffing about? |
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| 04:12.55 | Rusty1 | draeath: an apt-get clean and update preceded the attempt ? |
| 04:13.57 | draeath | aaah there we go. "Unable to find expected entry contrib/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 04:14.43 | draeath | hrm. the deb-src is missing/broken. for some reason that was preventing the deb from working? |
| 04:14.50 | draeath | all I had to do was comment that out in my sources |
| 04:15.42 | draeath | no i see. none of the caches was being generated. Odd that aptitude didn't pop up an error when I initially added em |
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| 04:16.41 | draeath | flamingspinach: dejavu is good as well |
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| 04:18.07 | flamingspinach | draeath: looks like I have that :) |
| 04:18.16 | flamingspinach | oh, or not - I just have dejavu-core |
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| 04:25.41 | DammitJim | is there a command line utility that will let you copy a directory w/o a certain file extension? |
| 04:26.13 | DammitJim | like if I have a 100 directories with .jpg and .avi files, but I only want to copy the jpg files... |
| 04:27.26 | Stupendoussteve | I'm sure you could use some find magic or something, but you might try rsync with the exclude option |
| 04:27.36 | DammitJim | rsync sounds smart |
| 04:28.39 | draeath | yea. use rsync. just put in your --excludes |
| 04:28.50 | draeath | probably something like --exclude="*.FOO" |
| 04:30.19 | DammitJim | I don't like this... this is too easy ;) |
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| 04:31.36 | Stupendoussteve | It's meant to be easy, as in "It's easy just find | sed | perl | cp |
| 04:32.10 | Stupendoussteve | I like my brand of easy more |
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| 04:32.23 | DammitJim | lol |
| 04:32.33 | DammitJim | you got an easy button? ;) |
| 04:32.51 | DammitJim | dammit... now I just noticed that i have 400 directories, but I only need to copy 100 of those |
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| 04:35.44 | joulez | hello, i can no longer log back in with xscreensaver, I have to restart X can someone help me with this thanks. |
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| 04:41.39 | buhman_ | how can I restart X? |
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| 04:41.50 | buhman_ | ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't seem to work, nor does init 3 |
| 04:43.13 | peterlnx | buhman Ctrl alt 1, log in as root and kill xserver |
| 04:43.51 | buhman_ | peterlnx: that would make sense (i'm already in tty1 actually) |
| 04:45.10 | buhman_ | peterlnx: that doesn't seem to work |
| 04:45.21 | buhman_ | peterlnx: there are no processes named xserver |
| 04:45.48 | peterlnx | yes, the process is Xorg |
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| 04:46.15 | peterlnx | kill -9 [process id] |
| 04:46.57 | flamingspinach | you can also use `killall [process name]` if you don't mind, well, killing all |
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| 04:47.50 | buhman_ | peterlnx: wow, and Xorg started right back up instantaneously |
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| 04:48.23 | Stupendoussteve | buhman_: Option "XkbOptions" "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" |
| 04:48.39 | Stupendoussteve | Never mind, you probably don't have xorg.conf |
| 04:48.56 | Stupendoussteve | there are a few ways to enable ctrl alt backspace, it's disabled by default I think |
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| 04:49.06 | Stupendoussteve | Aha, here's the one |
| 04:49.10 | Stupendoussteve | in .xinitrc, setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp |
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| 04:50.05 | flamingspinach | or in .xsession or .profile depending on your display manager / login manager |
| 04:50.09 | flamingspinach | no? |
| 04:50.17 | Stupendoussteve | Sure, as long as it's run |
| 04:50.31 | Stupendoussteve | Apparently dpkg-reconfigure console-setup used to fix it also |
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| 04:50.39 | Stupendoussteve | Not a fan of the dontzap thing |
| 04:51.22 | flamingspinach | if xorg is starting up again after you kill it it's probably being revived by the display manager, so you should just stop your display manager using its init script or something |
| 04:51.28 | flamingspinach | but buhman_ left, so never mind |
| 04:52.00 | peterlnx | I agree |
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| 04:54.59 | Malina | hi.. if I were to play around with rolling release and wished to have a degree of fredom of compiling / updating what I need an dwant 'when ' I want, yet not overdo maintenance, is tyesting (wheezy) better than, or sid? |
| 04:55.15 | Malina | I'd still like to be not very far behind on new kernel images etc |
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| 04:57.47 | Malina | anyone? |
| 04:58.58 | Stupendoussteve | Why not try one and then the other? |
| 05:00.28 | peterlnx | mmm, this machine is runing Wheeze, I think I have the latest kernel everything is running very well |
| 05:00.28 | Stupendoussteve | If you want the latest and greatest kernel it is in sid though |
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| 05:01.53 | Stupendoussteve | I'm not sure how often sid breaks compared to last time I used it, but if you don't want to do too much maintenance, you may want to stick with testing |
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| 05:03.46 | Malina | peterlnx: thanks |
| 05:03.52 | Malina | ye, wheezy sounds good to me, |
| 05:04.05 | Malina | but seems like more than just devs say like sid.. so thought I'd see |
| 05:04.10 | peterlnx | no problem |
| 05:04.11 | Malina | and thanks Stupendoussteve |
| 05:04.24 | Malina | will give it a try I guess... ok noob quetions |
| 05:04.45 | Malina | but say then I wish t add in my own source compiled program which is not in package.. woudl it be a problem with testing? |
| 05:05.01 | Malina | I mean, more than the usual expectancy hehe |
| 05:05.04 | peterlnx | this is the result of uname -a Linux junior 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Mar 7 21:35:22 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 05:05.13 | Malina | 32 |
| 05:05.15 | Malina | on testing ye? |
| 05:05.21 | Malina | and if I'd want .38? |
| 05:05.57 | peterlnx | download and compile the kernel |
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| 05:06.08 | Malina | and bob's your uncle.. ye? :D |
| 05:06.23 | Malina | easy to integrate into the dependency structure? |
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| 05:06.42 | Malina | sorry if my questions are not accurate, I'm not too great on rolling release experience |
| 05:06.59 | Malina | but that's why I am asking them, I guess |
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| 05:10.27 | Malina | well downloading wheezy but hmm, |
| 05:10.34 | Malina | arf |
| 05:10.38 | starcoder2 | Get Canterbury! |
| 05:10.39 | starcoder2 | :) |
| 05:10.58 | Malina | they were tlaking abt that in arch chan too |
| 05:11.01 | Malina | what is it? |
| 05:11.18 | Malina | and I found sidux today which sounded fun but hmm ye the site just seems soo erm |
| 05:11.20 | Malina | unkept |
| 05:11.44 | Malina | Ive been flowing aorund now for 6 months and just CAN't find where I want to be on a distro :) |
| 05:11.55 | Malina | although for server I think im going squeeze in august |
| 05:11.59 | starcoder2 | Malina: http://debian.org |
| 05:12.00 | starcoder2 | :) |
| 05:12.03 | Malina | unless I somehow decide ot try out gentoo server |
| 05:12.09 | Malina | ok |
| 05:12.37 | Malina | WHOA |
| 05:12.39 | Malina | WOW |
| 05:12.44 | Malina | LOL |
| 05:12.49 | peterlnx | Debian is the mother distro |
| 05:12.55 | Malina | n owonder ppl were talking abou tit |
| 05:12.56 | Malina | about* |
| 05:13.06 | Malina | and gentoo? |
| 05:13.12 | starcoder2 | Malina: as well as the websites of Arch Linux, openSUSE, Gentoo, and Grml. |
| 05:13.12 | Malina | the father ? |
| 05:13.32 | Malina | well suse.. hmm so .rpms are invlved? LOL I HATE THEM :p |
| 05:13.34 | peterlnx | lol |
| 05:14.00 | Malina | hmm, is smart package manager perhaps bridging in this? |
| 05:14.07 | starcoder2 | Canterbury is the future of Linux! It might help in the war against proprietary operating systems. :) |
| 05:14.11 | Malina | or which packaging system will you be based on ? |
| 05:14.24 | starcoder2 | One hasn't been selected yet. |
| 05:14.28 | Malina | proprietary or also large ones like ubuntu? to throw out a potential discussujon ere |
| 05:14.35 | Malina | ok testing downloaded.. |
| 05:14.47 | Malina | starcoder, is smart package manager involved in the ideas then? |
| 05:14.51 | Malina | and please, whatever you guys do |
| 05:15.00 | Malina | either look at portage/dpkg |
| 05:15.03 | Malina | but NOT rpm |
| 05:15.14 | Malina | PLEASE convince those rpm'ers cos they know it deep down |
| 05:15.19 | Malina | rpm sucks :P |
| 05:16.07 | Malina | I read up on smart and it seems ot bridge well and seems that distrowatch even stated 'is the only one recognised as superior to .deb' |
| 05:16.19 | Malina | although of course, that is relative but must mean it has some merit |
| 05:16.24 | starcoder2 | Malina: you do believe we're all going through with this, right? |
| 05:16.35 | Malina | ah fuck |
| 05:16.36 | Malina | aprils fool |
| 05:16.38 | Malina | grrr |
| 05:16.39 | starcoder2 | :P |
| 05:16.39 | Malina | hate you |
| 05:16.53 | Malina | seriously slaps the shit out of you [all]!! |
| 05:16.55 | Malina | :p |
| 05:16.57 | Malina | haha |
| 05:17.44 | Malina | why oh why, does a very life-experienced person still f******* fall for things which are right up there in my face and obvious :/ |
| 05:18.09 | r\wWorld | cause they trust people |
| 05:18.14 | starcoder2 | hey, you're not the only one. We've had a few people fall for it. Arch Linux community member here. :) |
| 05:18.14 | Malina | hehe |
| 05:18.16 | Malina | ye but |
| 05:18.17 | Malina | no |
| 05:18.19 | Malina | :p |
| 05:18.40 | Malina | swirls aorund like a Tasmanian devil... like I used to do when I was 8! |
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| 05:19.39 | Malina | fine starcoder2, can u at least then tell me |
| 05:20.00 | Malina | on wheezy, is it hard to fit the custom kernel in with the dependencies then? |
| 05:20.01 | r\wWorld | http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110401 <- if that ever happened I would die laughing |
| 05:20.06 | Malina | if the querstion is reasonable |
| 05:20.30 | starcoder2 | r\wWorld: it' |
| 05:20.32 | starcoder2 | d be kinda cool. |
| 05:20.53 | Malina | obin H. Johnson, lead of the Gentoo Infrastructure team, in a panel of core Gentoo developers at SCALE9x: I really hate compiling-induced downtime. I've been looking forward to installing packages with just a couple of keystrokes. By building on the efforts of other successful distributions, we can take the drudgery out of system maintenance. |
| 05:21.00 | Malina | lol, had I read that.... |
| 05:21.02 | Malina | before |
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| 05:21.14 | Malina | ROFL |
| 05:21.17 | Malina | grrr |
| 05:21.24 | cahoot | !enter |
| 05:21.24 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 05:21.31 | Malina | !ham |
| 05:21.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, ham is oink oink, or if you mean the Debian distribution code name, ask me about <hamm>. |
| 05:21.41 | Malina | !hamm |
| 05:21.41 | dpkg | hamm is probably Debian GNU/Linux 2.0, released for i386 and m68k (first multi-arch release), released July 24, 1998. It is no longer supported. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianHamm |
| 05:22.00 | Malina | hmm last debian I used for a server I think was .ike 3.2 or something |
| 05:22.10 | Malina | I still have the disks right here somewhere... travelled the world with me, they have l.olol |
| 05:22.36 | starcoder2 | This is going to be a great April Fools Day. I was here when the prank started and want to fool as many as possible. :) |
| 05:22.47 | Malina | did anyone else ever download on BBS like a jpeg in about 45 mins on a 2400b modem or so? ;p |
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| 05:23.07 | Malina | ok but please, can u tell me if my quesiton is reaosnable |
| 05:23.08 | Malina | :p |
| 05:23.13 | Malina | oobe omg, |
| 05:23.26 | r\wWorld | no but i tried downloading a DVD on 56k |
| 05:23.33 | Malina | sthat nick sounds like a regular gigolo to be honest |
| 05:23.38 | starcoder2 | Sorry, not extremely experienced with Debian myself. |
| 05:23.42 | Malina | ah ok |
| 05:24.12 | Malina | darn just checked.. I think I threw those cds out |
| 05:24.15 | Malina | it was 5 cds i had |
| 05:24.16 | Malina | hehe |
| 05:24.24 | Malina | just some months ago |
| 05:24.26 | r\wWorld | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:24.33 | r\wWorld | derp |
| 05:24.37 | dansushi | does anyone here know what it means when your screen flickers black a couple times, and then the X server restarts? |
| 05:24.38 | Malina | !enter |
| 05:24.39 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 05:24.43 | Malina | ;) |
| 05:25.06 | Malina | dansushi, what are you doing when that happens? |
| 05:25.15 | Malina | and which dm/wm/de? |
| 05:25.21 | dansushi | kde |
| 05:25.29 | dansushi | 3.5 |
| 05:25.34 | dansushi | it just started |
| 05:25.53 | Malina | lol, I never used kde till now trying it out 4.6.. i mean last time i used kde was the version whichecver in '99 |
| 05:26.00 | Malina | but it hated me, so i left it alone |
| 05:26.17 | dansushi | oh, really? i've always liked kde 3 |
| 05:26.25 | Malina | dependeny *cough* hell *cough* |
| 05:26.31 | dansushi | i feel like this issue might have somethign to do with flash though |
| 05:26.34 | Malina | well I never tried it so I dont know |
| 05:26.42 | Malina | or was it in use in '99-2000? |
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| 05:26.57 | dansushi | because it seems to happen usually around after i've un full screened a flash video |
| 05:27.03 | Malina | aaah |
| 05:27.05 | dansushi | but maybe that's just a coincedence |
| 05:27.06 | Malina | r u on 64 bit? |
| 05:27.14 | dansushi | no |
| 05:27.18 | Malina | oh |
| 05:27.26 | dansushi | because it sometimes happens right after de full screening |
| 05:27.27 | Malina | then I won't have any input |
| 05:27.33 | dansushi | and sometimes takes maybe liek 5 seconds |
| 05:27.34 | Malina | ok well IM gonna wipe the disk I guess and play with wheexzy |
| 05:27.41 | Malina | hf! |
| 05:27.45 | Malina | oh wait |
| 05:27.49 | Malina | what do you gusy think of gnome 3? |
| 05:27.52 | Malina | im on it just now |
| 05:28.20 | Malina | kinda like it but dont know yet as I am not really seeing how it is in terms of funcitonality , practicality and all that |
| 05:28.36 | Stupendoussteve | Between Gnome 3 and Unity, I changed to Xfce |
| 05:29.53 | r\wWorld | lxde is nice and simple |
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| 05:31.36 | karlpinc | e16 (I wish I could use e17, but am on stable.) |
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| 05:36.28 | buhman | what's going on here? http://paste.debian.net/112615/ |
| 05:38.47 | Stupendoussteve | buhman: Might try http://forlong.blogage.de/entries/pages/Compiz-Check |
| 05:39.12 | Malina | xfce is pretty nifty |
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| 05:39.41 | Malina | but I have enough diskspace and since we can choose wm/de's I dont mind having one of the eye candys on disk |
| 05:40.03 | buhman | Stupendoussteve: same thing: Error: Software Rasterizer in use |
| 05:40.06 | Malina | karlpinc well for me when I was on e16 etc I just hmm got a lot of bugs |
| 05:40.19 | Malina | now when playing with e17 I kinda feel lost for the moment., forgot how to make it look great |
| 05:40.21 | Malina | so left that for now |
| 05:40.39 | buhman | Stupendoussteve: it feels like I'm using hardware acceleration, and glxinfo says I'm using direct rendering, so I don't know what else I'd need to do |
| 05:40.52 | Malina | direct renderign should be hardware accelration |
| 05:40.57 | Malina | software rendering is not |
| 05:41.17 | Malina | direct meaning the calculations of the rednering are made by HW I thought no? |
| 05:41.22 | Malina | or am I living in the stone age? |
| 05:41.24 | buhman | Malina: yes? |
| 05:41.34 | Malina | ah sorry |
| 05:41.38 | Malina | I mis-read you |
| 05:41.50 | Malina | I thought you were implying they were opposites |
| 05:41.54 | Stupendoussteve | Malina: You are correct. DRI allow it to work fine |
| 05:42.24 | buhman | Stupendoussteve: so what else might I need to do? |
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| 05:44.09 | Stupendoussteve | buhman: in glxinfo what opengl renderer string does it give you? |
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| 05:44.54 | buhman | SGI |
| 05:45.18 | buhman | Stupendoussteve: I just find the AtiHowTo on the debian wiki, apparently I need firmware, I'm trying that now... |
| 05:46.06 | Stupendoussteve | Yep, was just about to suggest it |
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| 05:46.23 | Stupendoussteve | Should be linux-firmware |
| 05:46.35 | buhman | Stupendoussteve: do I need to reboot? |
| 05:46.55 | Stupendoussteve | Likely just need to restart the x server |
| 05:47.01 | buhman | ok |
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| 05:51.59 | buhman | well, interestingly enough, after a reboot (just restarting didn't do it), it seems like I hang after logging in |
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| 05:52.37 | Stupendoussteve | Anything in your Xorg log file? |
| 05:52.46 | buhman | Stupendoussteve: I should probably check :) |
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| 05:55.10 | buhman | Stupendoussteve: no errors... |
| 05:55.10 | buhman | Stupendoussteve: it says way up there "Acceleration Enabled" |
| 05:55.10 | buhman | gdm start's just fine, but it's when I log in that I freeze |
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| 06:11.48 | massmc | Hello, how do I change a ussers details.. eg. room number, real name etc.. |
| 06:12.19 | simonlnu | vipw |
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| 06:16.57 | massmc | thanks simonlnu .. how do i edit that file? |
| 06:17.53 | jelly-home | chfn |
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| 06:18.26 | mr0wl | anyone want a diaspora invite? |
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| 06:22.03 | massmc | thanks jelly-home .. that does everything except change the users real name.. how do i edit that? |
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| 06:27.15 | jelly-home | massmc: also, read the fine manual. It explains how to lift that one restriction for normal users. |
| 06:27.17 | buhman | Compiz is mostly working now (I just snagged fglrx), except the keyboard shortcuts don't work. I can't do the ctrl-alt-click to spin the cube, alt-tab isn't working. |
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| 06:29.22 | massmc | that worked, thanks |
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| 06:30.23 | jelly-home | massmc: you could now take a look at the passwd file to see what chfn did there |
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| 06:35.49 | massmc | hmm didnt work |
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| 06:36.18 | massmc | i cant just edit that file, jelly-home ? |
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| 06:42.45 | endra | hey |
| 06:43.18 | endra | I need to install python 2.6 although it doesn't have to be the primary python. I should be able to setup apache to properly execute 2.6 instead of 2.5. Can I do that in a way that doesn't make my system unstable? |
| 06:44.39 | Arrowmaster | you must be using something prior to squeeze since 2.6 is the default in squeeze, afaik multiple versions of python cant coexist prior to squeeze |
| 06:45.36 | endra | what is squeeze? |
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| 06:46.16 | SPF | !squeeze |
| 06:46.16 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.1>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 06:46.35 | jelly-home | massmc: use vipw to edit it. |
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| 06:54.19 | endra | !version |
| 06:54.19 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 06:54.36 | endra | I am at an old version of debian, it seems |
| 06:54.58 | endra | ah ok that is what you meant |
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| 06:55.07 | endra | !update |
| 06:55.07 | dpkg | [update] `aptitude update' grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an aptitude upgrade or before looking for stuff with apt-cache search. See also <updates>. |
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| 06:56.01 | Stupendoussteve | endra: What does /etc/debian_version say? |
| 06:56.31 | endra | 5.0.8 |
| 06:57.11 | Stupendoussteve | i386? |
| 06:57.28 | endra | No, I believe the OS is x64 |
| 06:58.20 | Stupendoussteve | The upgrade directions are at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 06:59.13 | Stupendoussteve | Stable is 6.0.1 |
| 06:59.55 | Stupendoussteve | You may also want to read through the rest of the release notes. Section 5 is "issues to be aware of" |
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| 07:03.58 | SgrA | I have conky 1.8.0.. how can I update to 1.8.1 when my package manager doesn't provide it? |
| 07:04.48 | endra | Stupendoussteve: already installing all new packages. Hopefully all goes well. I'll update you in a few minutes |
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| 07:06.03 | feisar | Hi I just updated to Squeeze and want t disable my pc-speaker but the snd-pcsp module isn't loaded. Has the module changed? |
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| 07:07.28 | Stupendoussteve | feisar: pcspkr? |
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| 07:07.46 | endra | was 'aptitude' removed from squeeze? |
| 07:08.10 | feisar | Stupendoussteve: ah yes, thank you |
| 07:08.14 | Stupendoussteve | endra: aptitude is still in squeeze |
| 07:08.45 | Stupendoussteve | feisar: Interestinly pcspkr is under the misc input drivers, the snd-pcsp is alsa |
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| 07:09.29 | feisar | Stupendoussteve: right, thanks : ] |
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| 07:10.50 | SgrA | I have conky 1.8.0.. how can I update to 1.8.1 when my package manager doesn't provide it? |
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| 07:11.08 | endra | lol fastest reboot I've ever seen.. a few seconds |
| 07:11.21 | SgrA | endra: How/where? |
| 07:11.28 | SgrA | Did you use kexec? |
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| 07:11.42 | endra | SgrA: just upgraded to squeeze and reboot and it came back up in between 4-6 seconds |
| 07:11.53 | SgrA | o_O |
| 07:12.05 | SgrA | Debian in 4-6 seconds ?! |
| 07:12.09 | SgrA | What hardware? |
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| 07:12.29 | endra | 6 seconds according to ping (if every timeout is 1 sceond) |
| 07:12.35 | endra | SgrA: rackspace cloud |
| 07:12.45 | Shadur | ... Dammit. New gnome-shell is in, but it still crashes when trying to load. |
| 07:13.16 | Bus3rr0r | ping repsonse != OS booted |
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| 07:13.30 | SgrA | ^^ |
| 07:13.33 | endra | Bus3rr0r: ssh worked as well a second or two after it responded |
| 07:13.45 | endra | either way, beats anything I've ever seen |
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| 07:34.19 | omes- | is the Cantebury Distribution an April fools? |
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| 07:35.21 | Bus3rr0r | I would guess yes |
| 07:35.31 | omes- | That's kind of sad :( |
| 07:35.54 | Bus3rr0r | pretty good if you ask me, nice presentation |
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| 07:36.47 | omes- | We should totally make a Cantebury Distribution! |
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| 07:37.22 | ipo | Hi |
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| 07:37.42 | ipo | I have debian with last update |
| 07:37.49 | ipo | with Gnome desktop |
| 07:38.15 | ipo | I want LinuxMint Or Opensuse menu style! |
| 07:38.44 | ondrejk | hello, im taking care of cca 15 linux server and im thinking about creating some kind of sysadmin daybook, do you use anything like that or you just have well-commented config files? |
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| 07:39.08 | ipo | please help me |
| 07:39.27 | pdpd | please help me repository debian etch |
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| 07:42.41 | ipo | :( |
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| 07:58.09 | SgrA | When I run conky, nothing appears on my desktop. Here is my conkyrc > http://pastebin.com/hH6F0V7s < and here is the runtime log > http://pastebin.com/peJ5CKW3 .. |
| 07:59.03 | DanGer | hello guys, any idea about this? |
| 07:59.03 | DanGer | http://openpaste.org/en/26596/ |
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| 08:01.21 | xoz | SgrA: what's your wm? |
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| 08:02.16 | SgrA | xoz: Xfce |
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| 08:02.58 | pdpd | help me |
| 08:03.06 | simonlnu | !ask |
| 08:03.06 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 08:03.17 | pdpd | repository debian etch |
| 08:03.28 | tyrmored | archive.debian.org |
| 08:03.32 | xoz | SgrA: try blackbox or openbox and see if your conky works |
| 08:04.07 | xoz | SgrA: or enable debugging: conky -D |
| 08:04.21 | simonlnu | probably need to kill xfdesktop, so conky shows (if that's the problem) |
| 08:04.31 | ethanol | surprised http://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2011/ isn't in the topic |
| 08:04.32 | SgrA | xoz: -DD is verbose debugging |
| 08:04.43 | DanGer | I am getting it when I run apt-get update |
| 08:05.05 | xoz | SgrA: possible xfce is hiding the desktop |
| 08:05.21 | xoz | SgrA: i mean the root desktop window |
| 08:05.35 | SgrA | I'd set own_window yes. |
| 08:05.48 | xoz | SgrA: conky works well in *box wm |
| 08:05.51 | simonlnu | ethanol: GSoC usually is |
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| 08:06.19 | Lewoco | Why can't gedit's file browser see my mounted samba share? |
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| 08:07.28 | simonlnu | !xy problem |
| 08:07.28 | tyrmored | Lewoco sometimes those addresses don't work right across gnome |
| 08:07.28 | dpkg | [xyproblem] People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem or http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/put-down-the-chocolate-covered-banana.html |
| 08:07.43 | tyrmored | you could try mounting the share with smbmount so it behaves more or less like a proper filesystem |
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| 08:07.55 | Lewoco | tyrmored, It is mounted with smbmount |
| 08:08.04 | tyrmored | oh |
| 08:08.38 | tyrmored | are all the relevant directories world-readable |
| 08:08.56 | xoz | SgrA: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=80515 |
| 08:08.58 | Lewoco | tyrmored, I can browse it just fine from the command line. |
| 08:09.09 | SgrA | xoz: lemme read |
| 08:09.18 | xoz | SgrA: the desktop is opaque... adjust transparency |
| 08:09.29 | pdpd | deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/etch main is correct |
| 08:10.11 | simonlnu | try it pdpd |
| 08:10.17 | xoz | !qball what's your prediction |
| 08:10.18 | dpkg | the atmosphere is white |
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| 08:11.14 | xoz | !qball what's your outlook |
| 08:11.14 | dpkg | the outlook is bad |
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| 08:12.35 | simonlnu | pdpd: it's likely to be more: deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 08:12.51 | SgrA | xoz: No worky here |
| 08:12.57 | SgrA | !qball what's your prediction |
| 08:12.57 | dpkg | the atmosphere is gray |
| 08:13.02 | SgrA | !qball what's your color |
| 08:13.06 | SgrA | heh |
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| 08:15.27 | xoz | SgrA: try a simpler wm first to make sure it's not conky's config problem. |
| 08:15.43 | xoz | or kill xfcedekstop |
| 08:15.57 | vhrebtregqzf | hi. After upgrading bind9 after the DSA 2208 security update, I'm experiencing sloooow (> 4 s) dns queries. And I didn't change anything in my config. Is this behavior has been reported elsewhere ? |
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| 08:16.58 | SgrA | xoz: I traced down the problem to the setting : own_window_type override |
| 08:17.16 | xoz | vhrebtregqzf: it might be a config issue. try backing up your config, purge and reinstall bind9 and check the changes in the supplied default config with your backup config |
| 08:17.23 | xoz | SgrA: great |
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| 08:17.27 | SgrA | xoz: When I disable only that particular configuration option, conky works. |
| 08:18.23 | vhrebtregqzf | xoz: ok i'll try it. |
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| 08:19.20 | xoz | notes that vhrebtregqzf name is partially made of random letters |
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| 08:21.59 | sep | does any of you know of a gui ipmi tool to manage a few racks of servers. something i can let my cli-challeneged coworkers work with ? |
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| 08:27.30 | pdpd | i have the problem deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
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| 08:29.24 | sep | pdpd, etch is archived. lenny is oldstable |
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| 08:30.12 | pdpd | deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 08:30.13 | pdpd | deb-src http://archive.debian.org/debian/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 08:30.15 | pdpd | deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 08:30.16 | pdpd | deb-src http://archive.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 08:30.18 | pdpd | i have problem simounlnu |
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| 08:31.51 | sep | pdpd, http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
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| 08:32.00 | sep | remove the lines with /updates |
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| 08:32.13 | pdpd | ok sep |
| 08:32.14 | Rienzilla | Good morning everyone |
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| 08:33.18 | Rienzilla | if I find a package here: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/oath-toolkit_1.4.6-1.html, will it be incorporated into unstable, and how long will that take usually? |
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| 08:34.11 | pdpd | deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ etch/ main contrib sep i remove error |
| 08:35.01 | Bushmills | Rienzilla: between 2 days and never. depends on license, and whether it will be adopted |
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| 08:35.25 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Can anyone please help me partition my hdd? What I mean is I don't know what sizes I should give them. :p The drive comes up with 298.09GiB in gparted. Should /boot be in its own partition or with the rest in an extended partition? |
| 08:35.36 | JaMeSiTeGeN | anyone -> someone |
| 08:36.01 | Rienzilla | Bushmills: ok, thanks |
| 08:36.05 | sep | JaMeSiTeGeN, if you don't know ; adn you dont have any special needs you can have a 250MB /boot and the rest in / |
| 08:36.15 | Bushmills | JaMeSiTeGeN: boot as own partition makes sense (or is even needed) when your root partition is formatted with some obscure file system, or such that the boot loader can't read kernel from it |
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| 08:36.36 | sep | + a swap |
| 08:36.53 | sep | JaMeSiTeGeN, personally i like lvm since it makes it easy to resize afterwards. |
| 08:37.03 | Bushmills | splitting /home off / may make sense sometimes, but often, partitioning is just a waste of usable space |
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| 08:37.32 | JaMeSiTeGeN | sep: That is the reason on why I am asking, I know I want /boot swap /home /ect and what ever suitable |
| 08:37.47 | sep | JaMeSiTeGeN, you dont want /etc on it's own :) |
| 08:38.02 | sep | but if you want to split off a partition it would be /home |
| 08:38.06 | Bushmills | JaMeSiTeGeN: why? |
| 08:38.11 | JaMeSiTeGeN | sep: I love lvm too but with debian-testing/LMDE I don't have that lovely feature. |
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| 08:38.58 | masterkorp | hello, i am having trouble using a java applets with iceweasel and chrome |
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| 08:39.17 | JaMeSiTeGeN | sp primary[/boot] extended[/ /home swap] now what sizes? |
| 08:39.22 | masterkorp | i installed openjre and tried also with sun jre, but it simply doesnt work |
| 08:39.32 | Bushmills | masterkorp: a. determine reason of problem. b. take steps to remedy it. |
| 08:39.51 | JaMeSiTeGeN | sp -> so * |
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| 08:40.14 | masterkorp | Bushmills: that why i am asking fro help |
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| 08:40.30 | masterkorp | do i need to install an extra package because of the browsers |
| 08:40.33 | masterkorp | ? |
| 08:40.33 | Bushmills | "i have problem, it doesn't work" is not asking for help |
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| 08:40.50 | sep | masterkorp, check alternatives what java pieces are beeing used. |
| 08:41.14 | masterkorp | sep: can you explain yourself better ? |
| 08:41.53 | simonlnu | !java plugin |
| 08:41.53 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install either the free icedtea6-plugin (Squeeze) or icedtea-gcjwebplugin (Lenny) package, or the <non-free> sun-java6-plugin package. For other Java programs, you can install the default-jre package to get a Java runtime; use "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre (non-free). See also <java alternatives>. |
| 08:42.13 | masterkorp | simonlnu: thnaks |
| 08:42.30 | masterkorp | we need a better wiki like archlinux wiki :D |
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| 08:43.00 | Bushmills | nice ithing about wikis is that everyone can edit pages |
| 08:43.32 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Anyone know some idea for sizes for my partitions? |
| 08:43.55 | masterkorp | Bushmills: i will do that |
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| 08:44.18 | simonlnu | !debian wiki |
| 08:44.24 | sep | JaMeSiTeGeN, we dont know your requirements it's impossible to give sane answers except that if you dont know yourself, partition as little as possible. i recomend /boot + swap + / |
| 08:44.37 | simonlnu | !listkeys wiki |
| 08:44.39 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'wiki' by key (15): _default mediawiki ;; wiki wiki ;; pmwiki ;; thinkwiki ;; debwiki ;; wikinews #del# ;; #debian wiki ;; _default wiki ;; _default wikinews ;; wikibot ;; cmd: debwiki (.*?) (.*?) ;; mediawiki ;; ikiwiki ;; CMD: wikifaq (.*?) (.*?) ;; d[d[d[d[d[d[d[d[d[dwiki #del#. |
| 08:44.59 | Bushmills | JaMeSiTeGeN: you failing to answer why you want to partition off directories which make no sense, i doubt people know what to suggest to you as partition sizes. |
| 08:45.59 | Bushmills | why do you want to split your root over multiple partitions at all? |
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| 08:54.44 | Bushmills | well, then just don't do it |
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| 09:17.15 | Pupeno[work] | Hello. |
| 09:17.32 | Pupeno[work] | For people using denyhosts, do you normally purge it after a week or so? |
| 09:17.40 | superlinux | hi all. how can I tell the shell parser to disable the execution of "rm -rf / " when I am user "root" ? |
| 09:17.51 | Bushmills | i've set it to 5 days |
| 09:17.59 | Bushmills | may be that that's even the default |
| 09:17.59 | petemc | superlinux: you shouldnt need to |
| 09:18.20 | superlinux | petemc, well for precaution I need it |
| 09:18.36 | petemc | superlinux: no, if you try to run that it will warn you |
| 09:19.10 | superlinux | I prefer disabling it |
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| 09:19.48 | Pupeno[work] | Bushmills: not sure what's denyhosts' default, but Debian's package at least is auto-configure to never purge. |
| 09:20.09 | Bushmills | Pupeno[work]: when limiting the ssh bruteforcing attempts with denyhosts, consider to also throttle the number of allowed connection attempts over time, per host. iptables can be used for that |
| 09:21.10 | rgouveia | Hello ... I run debian testing but I find that the gui update-manager asks if I want a safe upgrade or not. Can I always force a "dist-upgrade" without asking? like some gconf property? |
| 09:21.37 | simonlnu | i found the iptables way to be more effective |
| 09:21.50 | petemc | how so? |
| 09:24.23 | Bushmills | Pupeno[work]: see the effect - started to throttle in february: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1301649704988190186d.png - the graph shows the number of hosts blocked by denyhosts |
| 09:25.29 | Pupeno[work] | Bushmills: interesting, thanks. |
| 09:26.33 | simonlnu | petemc: faster, for one, and works long enough to preclude them trying again |
| 09:26.49 | simonlnu | i've switched port since then ;) |
| 09:28.07 | simonlnu | i still keep the rules in place out of curiosity |
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| 09:43.05 | ipo | I want opensuse menu theme for debian |
| 09:43.31 | ipo | start menu |
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| 09:45.26 | ipo | what? |
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| 10:01.35 | leni | hi all, squeeze failed to install grub when installing. does anyone know the solution? |
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| 10:03.42 | _KaszpiR_ | install windows |
| 10:03.50 | _KaszpiR_ | ];) |
| 10:03.57 | babilen | !fixmbr |
| 10:03.57 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 10:04.18 | babilen | leni: It would be wonderful if you could try the method detailed by dpkg above and report the results as detailed as possible. |
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| 10:04.35 | ov3rmind | this ddepend if you are trying install grub under mbr or in the first sector one primary and bootable partition attempt for it and try again |
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| 10:06.08 | meglaw | x starts up fine, no keyboard working tho. i donno how to fix.. |
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| 10:08.09 | leni | babilen, I got no os in my pc. can I install it without bootloader and after that boot it from live cd and do what dpkg said? |
| 10:08.41 | babilen | leni: What error do you get when grub is installed? And yes, that method is possible. |
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| 10:11.05 | leni | babilen, just like bug report said, 'grub-pc' package failed to install |
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| 10:13.10 | babilen | leni: You should check the other consoles (ALT-F{2,3,4,5}) until you find one with a log and (hopefully) some errors. You should be able to chroot into the system though, install grub-pc there and configure it though. |
| 10:13.19 | babilen | leni: Which bug report are you referring to? |
| 10:15.37 | leni | babilen: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2010/12/msg00299.html although it was beta1,but the same problem came with 6.0.1 |
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| 10:19.16 | babilen | leni: Which image are you using for the installation? |
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| 10:20.09 | leni | babilen: debian-live-6.0.1-amd64-kde-desktop.iso from debian live |
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| 10:21.49 | babilen | leni: Ok, it might be a problem specific to the live CDs, I'll talk to the developers later. I would recommend to try a standard image and check if the problem is reproducible there. |
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| 10:23.51 | babilen | leni: You probably want http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.1a-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso -- but a netinstall image might also be applicable if you have a working (wired) internet connection during the installation. |
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| 10:27.08 | leni | babilen, I would like to try net-installing. But I use vpn and that's why I need a complete desktop to install cisco-client |
| 10:27.59 | break3r | isnt it possible for you to use openvpn? |
| 10:28.04 | babilen | leni: Ok, in that case try the image I linked above. I assumed that you want to install KDE .. there are others (Gnome, LXDE, ...) if you prefer something else. |
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| 10:29.38 | leni | babilen, thank you, I'll try |
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| 10:30.41 | babilen | leni: Good luck. If you still run into the same problem we really need more details ... |
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| 10:39.45 | tuxcrafter | # hostname --fqdn |
| 10:39.45 | tuxcrafter | hostname: Name or service not known |
| 10:39.53 | tuxcrafter | i have no idea why it is doing that |
| 10:40.09 | omes- | tuxcrafter: is the hostname valid? |
| 10:40.48 | tuxcrafter | omes-: http://pastebin.com/CzYNeJds |
| 10:40.50 | tuxcrafter | it looks ok |
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| 10:41.14 | omes- | tuxcrafter: what does /etc/hostname say? |
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| 10:42.07 | halin | which package contains mysql_install_db on debian ? |
| 10:42.07 | tuxcrafter | omes-: farely.company.nl |
| 10:42.51 | petemc | mysql-server-5.1 |
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| 10:43.53 | omes- | tuxcrafter: make /etc/hostname farely |
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| 10:44.02 | omes- | then try --fqdn again |
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| 10:45.29 | omes- | tuxcrafter: did it work? :) |
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| 10:46.24 | Matias_ | Hello! |
| 10:47.05 | Matias_ | can I list the name of the projects in a certain CVS repository? |
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| 10:49.16 | tuxcrafter | omes-: no not yet |
| 10:49.38 | omes- | tuxcrafter: did you do what i said? |
| 10:49.44 | tuxcrafter | omes-: yes |
| 10:49.53 | omes- | tuxcrafter: so what's in /etc/hostname now? |
| 10:50.00 | tuxcrafter | farley |
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| 10:52.17 | omes- | tuxcrafter: try /etc/init.d/hostname.sh stop ; /etc/init.d/hostname.sh start |
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| 10:53.11 | root_ | What do y'all think of canterbury? |
| 10:53.22 | root_ | http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110401 |
| 10:53.39 | xand | it's pretty boring when you've lived here this long ;) |
| 10:54.24 | omes- | root_: I'm kinda sad it's probably an april fools.... :( |
| 10:54.32 | tuxcrafter | omes-: http://pastebin.com/LVqTqQmq |
| 10:54.39 | kenifanying | http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110401 |
| 10:54.39 | tuxcrafter | omes-: i used to do this all the time |
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| 10:54.47 | kenifanying | it's funny |
| 10:54.50 | tuxcrafter | i dont get why it is not working it is a fresh debootstrab |
| 10:55.08 | root_ | Do you think canterterbury could make debian into a proper distro? Like gentoo perhaps? |
| 10:55.19 | omes- | tuxcrafter: try just "hostname" what does that say? |
| 10:55.23 | tuxcrafter | omes-: standby i see a typo |
| 10:55.47 | omes- | yah, me too :P |
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| 10:56.20 | tuxcrafter | omes-: it works |
| 10:56.20 | tuxcrafter | omes-: pepcak |
| 10:56.20 | tuxcrafter | pebkac |
| 10:56.43 | omes- | tuxcrafter: naah, it's just that your OS doesn't have super autocorrection like google does |
| 10:56.55 | omes- | tuxcrafter: http://www.google.com/intl/en/jobs/uslocations/mountain-view/autocompleter/index.html |
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| 11:06.42 | break3r | http://chrome.blogspot.com/2011/04/improving-finger-dexterity-for-faster.html |
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| 11:09.47 | tuxcrafter | omes-: thx for the sparing :D |
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| 11:10.01 | omes- | tuxcrafter: you're welcome! :) |
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| 11:35.34 | MasseR | Uhm, does debian netinst have any wifi tools? |
| 11:35.59 | digdilem_ | MasseR, sure, if you select them |
| 11:36.10 | MasseR | "select them"? |
| 11:36.26 | digdilem_ | during install. select what packages you need. netinst means only the barest minimum is on the image, the rest you dl |
| 11:36.41 | MasseR | digdilem_: That's the problem. Can't install over net without wlan :P |
| 11:36.42 | babilen | MasseR: Yes, but you are not able to connect to WPA encrypted networks and some adaptors need firmware. Either supply the firmware on an USB stick (as detailed in the installation guide) or use images that come with firmware. /msg dpkg firmware images |
| 11:36.43 | digdilem_ | if you mean can you connect to a wifi network during install to download, I don't know |
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| 11:53.11 | gnarface | is anyone else missing their back/forward buttons in iceweasel still (on SID)? |
| 11:53.32 | abrotman | bts? |
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| 11:54.15 | gnarface | i haven't checked since the last time you advised that and the bug had already been closed but apparently not updated after the rollback of iceweasel 3.6x to 3.5 |
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| 11:54.44 | porton | Will Canterbury replace Debian? Will we be able to upgrade from Debian to Canterbury? |
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| 11:55.41 | Bushmills | porton: have a look at the calendar |
| 11:55.42 | gnarface | abrotman: its this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=597694 but i still have it |
| 11:55.53 | gnarface | abrotman: are you suggesting i should re-file? |
| 11:55.54 | porton | Bushmills: Do you mean it is a joke? |
| 11:56.00 | thinksteve | porton: First release will be ready on 1st of April 2012. |
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| 11:57.00 | gnarface | abrotman: nevermind, apparently i'm not the only one who noticed |
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| 11:57.57 | gnarface | abrotman: any idea why its still marked "resolved" ? |
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| 11:58.22 | abrotman | gnarface: possibly append the bug and ask ... |
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| 11:59.25 | gnarface | i don't wanna piss anyone off |
| 11:59.31 | gnarface | i mean, i don't wanna piss anyone ELSE off |
| 12:00.12 | Bushmills | porton: t'would be more obvious, had they added "popular like windows" |
| 12:00.14 | gnarface | i'd be tempted to just throw my own graphics in there if i knew where they went. the buttons themselves are still physically present |
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| 12:02.00 | abrotman | Bushmills: maybe you should just ignore him? |
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| 12:02.59 | Bushmills | abrotman: channel pollution? i think i'm more guilty if that than him |
| 12:03.02 | Bushmills | of |
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| 12:03.22 | abrotman | just send the next guy to #debian-offtopic |
| 12:03.42 | Bushmills | or to #canterbury? |
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| 12:05.50 | fireba11 | hi, viewvc package doesn't seem to set up everything correctly, any place i can read up what i need to fix? :-D |
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| 12:09.21 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/viewvc/ ? |
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| 12:10.15 | gnarface | abrotman: i tried to reply to the bug but i'm greylisted :( but i thought i'd done everything right |
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| 12:10.48 | fireba11 | abrotman: docu is scarce and it doesn't seem to work like described ^^ |
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| 12:17.20 | dob1 | hi, when the security support for lenny will end? |
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| 12:18.07 | dob1 | it is a time of weeks, months or at least a year? |
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| 12:18.24 | sep | dob1, normally a year after last release |
| 12:18.33 | dob1 | sep: thanks |
| 12:19.19 | CoolCold | hi guys |
| 12:19.43 | CoolCold | dumb question - package's post-install script produces error, so package is left unconfigured |
| 12:20.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | file a bug, submit a patch :) |
| 12:20.11 | CoolCold | is it possible to increase verbosity of dpkg to make it show where it is falling? |
| 12:20.25 | CoolCold | Kamping_Kaiser: bug filled, patch is being tested on myself (((: |
| 12:20.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | CoolCold: the postinst is a shell script, you can add a 'set -ex' to it and it'l go verbose |
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| 12:21.19 | dob1 | i have to update a lenny pc, but i have no space.... ok i know it's bad, and i want to change hdd but now i am usi a pata one, the new one will be a sata one and i was thinking what can going wrong, just the thing about hdx -> sdx rename |
| 12:21.49 | gnarface | doom! |
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| 12:22.39 | abrotman | sep: you mean "the following" ? |
| 12:23.24 | CoolCold | Kamping_Kaiser: no, it doesn't http://paste.org.ru/?bfj9ea |
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| 12:23.43 | pozic | In my sudoers file I have SOMEUSER_ALIAS SOMENAMEOFAMACHINE = (root) NOPASSWD:MYCOMMAND I have a user which is in the SOMEUSER_ALIAS list. I run as this user the command MYCOMMAND, but then sudo asks for a password. Why does it do that? |
| 12:24.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | CoolCold: ? |
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| 12:33.33 | tolle | pozic: Could be the order of the lines in the file? |
| 12:35.07 | CoolCold | Kamping_Kaiser: there is not debug from script, even with -x |
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| 12:38.58 | mboeru | hi guys |
| 12:38.59 | jae | apt-get dist-upgrade (on sid) hangs when setting up nfs-common, at "Starting NFS common utilities: statd" |
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| 12:39.17 | mboeru | has anyone sucessfully configured bonding in squeeze? |
| 12:39.54 | mboeru | i tried to with no luck, and the I read that there are some problems with this |
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| 12:41.45 | sep | mboeru, yes. |
| 12:42.58 | mboeru | if i do modprobe bondind and restart the network it seems to work |
| 12:43.01 | mboeru | but in mode 0 |
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| 12:44.45 | deepy | My screen flashes when I hit backspace, can I make screen stop doing that+ |
| 12:44.47 | jelly | mboeru: you want to set appopriate module parameters when doing modprobe manually |
| 12:45.42 | pozic | tolle: the order is fine, if it matters at all. |
| 12:45.56 | mboeru | i did do that in /etc/modules |
| 12:45.58 | mboeru | alias bond0 bonding |
| 12:45.58 | mboeru | options bonding mode=1 downdelay=200 updelay=200 primary=eth0 |
| 12:46.05 | mboeru | but it does not work on boot |
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| 12:46.42 | sep | mboeru, let me put mine on a paster |
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| 12:46.48 | mboeru | thanks |
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| 12:47.21 | mboeru | also i have bnx2 eth cards, had to install the deb package manually after install |
| 12:47.22 | mboeru | :) |
| 12:47.23 | nkuttler | deepy: do you mean gnu screen? that has some vbell option or somesuch |
| 12:47.36 | deepy | Yeah, that's the one |
| 12:47.55 | sep | mboeru, http://paste.debian.net/112635/ |
| 12:48.19 | sep | i have everything in interfaces file. i dont load any modules manually or otherways. debian's interfaces magic does everything |
| 12:48.47 | sep | i have nothing related to bonding in modules or in modprobe.d/* |
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| 12:49.07 | mboeru | sep thanks, I'll have a look |
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| 12:49.27 | mboeru | sep this is on squeeze right? |
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| 12:49.55 | jelly | mboeru: did your setup work in lenny? |
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| 12:50.14 | sep | mboeru, yes; and i used the confing example from debian's docs in /usr/share/doc/ifenslave-2.6/examples/two_ethernet |
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| 12:50.30 | mboeru | no, I'm trying out squeeze |
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| 12:51.37 | jelly | I'm reading that as "no, didn't try" rather than "no, it didn't work" |
| 12:53.14 | treebeen | notes that backuppc made sense the first time now as the HDD of a laptop died |
| 12:53.46 | mboeru | jelly, it did not work |
| 12:53.49 | mboeru | as it did in lenny |
| 12:53.57 | mboeru | i have already tried |
| 12:54.03 | sep | mboeru, i was struggeling with #550883 a few houers before i got the machine to reliably boot tho. but that was not just bond related. but it made it worse. |
| 12:54.19 | deepy | vbell off in .screenrc, found it |
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| 12:55.30 | treebeen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:56.28 | fishsponge | hey people - which ESXi network adapter should I use for debian 6.0.0? VMXNET3 doesn't seem to be recognised, but is the E1000 card recommended? |
| 12:56.31 | fishsponge | what do you guys use? |
| 12:56.48 | fishsponge | or do later versions of debian support VMXNET3 out the box? |
| 12:57.05 | deepy | treebeen: I know, but tell me if I can do the following in tmux |
| 12:57.21 | treebeen | deepy: ok, what? |
| 12:57.40 | deepy | http://pastebin.com/q6V3ny1K |
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| 12:58.47 | fishsponge | anybody? |
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| 13:00.59 | tarzeau | does www.debian.org look funny? |
| 13:02.50 | pozic | tarzeau: too bad it's a joke. |
| 13:03.08 | jelly | tarzeau: it looks completely fine from here. |
| 13:03.34 | pozic | I have used Linux for years and I still do not see the need for different community distributions; it's just retarded, imho. |
| 13:04.04 | pozic | (That certain companies build their own distribution is understandable to some degree.) |
| 13:04.12 | deepy | treebeen: is it possible? |
| 13:04.13 | treebeen | deepy: maybe... with the buffer commands, it should be possible I think |
| 13:04.14 | tarzeau | just got it too late the 1 april |
| 13:04.27 | deepy | You just use ctrl+a and then 0, 1 or 2 to change window |
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| 13:06.08 | treebeen | deepy: ask #tmux |
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| 13:09.29 | DRiKE | anyone experience with mp3fs? my mounted dir still shows .flacs instead of .mp3s ... |
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| 13:17.00 | superlinux | hi. how keep the user ownership unchangeable if someone belonging to the group has the changing rights? |
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| 13:18.09 | mboeru | sep it worked, thank you very much |
| 13:18.36 | sep | mboeru, you'r welcome :) |
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| 13:21.19 | fishsponge | can anybody help?? |
| 13:21.23 | fishsponge | which ESXi network adapter should I use for debian 6.0.0? VMXNET3 doesn't seem to be recognised, but is the E1000 card recommended? |
| 13:21.25 | fishsponge | or do later versions of debian support VMXNET3 out the box? |
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| 13:22.02 | pipeline | fishsponge: vmxnet3 is included in the default debian kernels, but probably not in the installer |
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| 13:22.25 | pipeline | fishsponge: e1000 is a good choice regardless. Unless you have 10g ethernet, vmxnet3 isn't going to be a noticable performance increase :) |
| 13:22.34 | fishsponge | pipeline, hmm... so does that mean i can't install from the netinst disc? in other words, i have to download the full CD/DVD? |
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| 13:22.57 | pipeline | fishsponge: actually the netinst disc doesn't require the net to install |
| 13:23.05 | pipeline | fishsponge: you could use netinst to install a minimal system and go from there |
| 13:23.13 | pipeline | fishsponge: but I would just change it to e1000 for convenience's sake |
| 13:23.24 | fishsponge | trouble is... i've just started an install, it couldn't get an address over DHCP, so i went static, entered an IP address, clicked "Continue" and it's hung... |
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| 13:23.51 | pipeline | not sure about that, never encountered that failure mode. Restart it *shurg* |
| 13:24.45 | fishsponge | pipeline, ok, will do! thanks for your help!" |
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| 13:24.50 | mboeru | sep this is how i configured it http://paste.debian.net/112644/ . Thank again |
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| 13:25.06 | CoolCold | Kamping_Kaiser: http://mdcc.cx/debian/debugging_debian_package_installations.html this article is very helpful in debuggin ;) |
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| 13:25.29 | funky | hello |
| 13:25.38 | funky | is there a channel for debian sid stuff? |
| 13:25.39 | pozic | I can run sudo omg without being asked for a password, but running the command 'foo' (which is just a script containing 'sudo omg') asks for a password. Why? |
| 13:26.28 | pipeline | pozic: new session. |
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| 13:26.35 | pipeline | pozic: add NOPASSWD in sudoers if you dont' want to enter passwords |
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| 13:26.48 | pipeline | fishsponge: this is it |
| 13:26.49 | pipeline | funky: this is it rather |
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| 13:27.36 | fishsponge | pipeline, it's hung at the "enter username" screen now... ESXi is usually really reliable for us, and so is debian... wonder why this keeps hanging. |
| 13:27.38 | pozic | pipeline: new session. ? |
| 13:27.44 | fishsponge | is the graphical installer crap, or known to work well? |
| 13:27.44 | pozic | pipeline: I have NOPASSWD |
| 13:27.50 | DammitJim | I'm trying to understand LVM and its benefits... what is its true advantage? |
| 13:28.00 | pozic | pipeline: again, sudo omg works without asking for a password. |
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| 13:28.10 | DammitJim | is it only about being able to resize your partitions on the fly? |
| 13:28.18 | joltcan | DammitJim: that you are never locked to any partitioning sizes, and you can easily extend/shrink a partition |
| 13:28.20 | pozic | pipeline: it is just calling a script which calls sudo omg, which does ask for a password. |
| 13:28.46 | joltcan | DammitJim: I love it when adding more drives, or when I change to bigger drives. No need to copy data to the new disks, just extend the partition |
| 13:28.55 | DammitJim | so, if I am one of those users who likes to reinstall an OS fairly often (every couple of months), there probably isn't an advantage for me, right? |
| 13:29.11 | DammitJim | I'm working with a laptop here |
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| 13:29.41 | DammitJim | thanks for sharing your application of LVM btw, joltcan |
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| 13:30.45 | joltcan | DammitJim: Well. I run virtual machines, so it is easy to assign partitions for those by using lvm, or even changing those. Might be useful for a laptop. Let say like this: if you have LVM you can always change your mind. If you don't have LVM, then you need to reinstall to get it on there |
| 13:30.56 | warpzero | i use lvm on my laptop |
| 13:31.15 | DammitJim | warpzero, but do you reinstall the os often? |
| 13:31.27 | DammitJim | I guess it'snot about the reinstall... it's about the data that is in there |
| 13:31.27 | warpzero | yeah... |
| 13:31.38 | warpzero | well you can do stuff like snapshots |
| 13:31.41 | DammitJim | I guess lvm isn't that much slower |
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| 13:31.52 | warpzero | it shouldn't really be any slower |
| 13:31.59 | DammitJim | warpzero, can you restore those snapshots on the fly? |
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| 13:32.10 | joltcan | DammitJim: LVM only has benefits, no drawbacks IMHO, but do whatever you want |
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| 13:32.17 | warpzero | well sortof... yeah |
| 13:32.27 | warpzero | you probably have to reboot |
| 13:32.31 | warpzero | if its your root partition |
| 13:32.32 | DammitJim | that's fine |
| 13:32.41 | DammitJim | this is very interesting |
| 13:32.42 | gnarface | eh, to be fair lvm's "negligible" performance penalty gets far less negligible if you're running legacy hardware |
| 13:32.55 | jelly | define legacy hardware |
| 13:33.00 | Parthiban | is there any way to use a os with linux kernel version below 2.4.10? |
| 13:33.01 | warpzero | i use lvm to make a partition to make a sid chroot |
| 13:33.14 | DammitJim | can I "access" those partitions if I was to take the hard drive out and attach it via usb/sata from another machine? |
| 13:33.20 | gnarface | p3's, p2's... stuff with half a gig of ram or less |
| 13:33.25 | jelly | Parthiban: you'll have to use appropriately built userspace. |
| 13:33.39 | gnarface | super low rpm laptop harddrives from the 90's |
| 13:33.40 | warpzero | DammitJim, well yeah if the other machine is linux |
| 13:33.41 | jelly | Parthiban: fwiw, Debian doesn't support it |
| 13:33.47 | DammitJim | sure |
| 13:33.53 | Parthiban | @jelly: couldnt get u...could u explain me in detail? |
| 13:33.56 | gnarface | macs |
| 13:34.17 | smacnay | What would cause all the button bevels in gnome to become two-tone and not graded? Where would the gtk settings be? |
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| 13:34.36 | DammitJim | thanks guys |
| 13:34.39 | jelly | Parthiban: you need software that can work with that kernel. That's not current Debian, it requires 2.6.x kernels |
| 13:34.40 | DammitJim | I'm going to give LVM a shot |
| 13:34.47 | DammitJim | got nothing to loose really |
| 13:35.04 | Parthiban | so how could i use that kernel ? |
| 13:35.07 | DammitJim | is there a particular file system you guys recommend besides ext4 |
| 13:35.15 | jelly | Parthiban: why do you want to? |
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| 13:35.33 | jelly | DammitJim: ext3 |
| 13:35.45 | DammitJim | is that faster? |
| 13:35.51 | DammitJim | no reiserfs and such? |
| 13:35.53 | jelly | DammitJim: probably not. |
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| 13:36.05 | lusotux | Parthiban, there is no reason to use a kernel so ancient as 2.4 |
| 13:36.12 | bolvarak | im waiting for at least 90 days |
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| 13:36.18 | Parthiban | i just wanna make an analysis of linux virtual memory of older versions which doesnot use red black trees....thats y |
| 13:36.21 | bolvarak | wrong window |
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| 13:36.46 | lusotux | Parthiban, why not an ancient distro on a virtual machine |
| 13:36.58 | warpzero | redhat 3 |
| 13:37.08 | lneely | DammitJim, you could use reiserfs or jfs if you like, i guess... |
| 13:37.15 | jelly | Parthiban: something like Debian 3.0, that came with 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 kernels |
| 13:37.25 | lneely | i just don't know, myself, of any particular advantage to doing so... |
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| 13:37.36 | warpzero | DammitJim, i would stick to xfs or ext4 personally... reiser is good but its missing some features |
| 13:37.38 | DammitJim | thanks |
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| 13:37.50 | DammitJim | ext4 it is then |
| 13:37.54 | warpzero | though reiser's fsck is the bestest |
| 13:38.19 | lneely | redhat 6 came with a 2.2 kernel... |
| 13:38.31 | warpzero | reiser and jfs dont support instant prealloc |
| 13:38.33 | lneely | i think redhat 7 was the first with a 2.4 |
| 13:38.49 | informant | hey i am on squeeze with xfce and cant find my hard drive in the file manager.... |
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| 13:39.01 | lneely | well that would be a problem wouldn't it? :) |
| 13:39.11 | warpzero | informant, i ate it |
| 13:39.16 | informant | oh ok |
| 13:39.18 | lneely | try "/" |
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| 13:39.48 | informant | omg i found it |
| 13:39.50 | informant | ty |
| 13:39.56 | lneely | ahahaha. yw. :) |
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| 13:40.42 | informant | one question |
| 13:40.46 | informant | wtf is gimp |
| 13:41.03 | lneely | GNU Image Manipulation Program. free and open source photoshop. |
| 13:41.11 | informant | oh |
| 13:41.11 | smacnay | graphics/photoshop-like software |
| 13:41.27 | lneely | free as in freedom, but also as in beer. |
| 13:41.32 | informant | it is the default program when i open a .pdf..... |
| 13:41.40 | warpzero | free as in COMMUNISM |
| 13:41.50 | lneely | oh yeah... that's a mistake. |
| 13:41.57 | warpzero | infernix, thats not the best choice... |
| 13:42.05 | lneely | warpzero it was default on my debian system too |
| 13:42.06 | informant | can i change that, lneely ? |
| 13:42.18 | warpzero | i use kde it can do no wrong so |
| 13:42.19 | lneely | 2sec |
| 13:42.43 | informant | warpzero, uhhh kde is gay..... |
| 13:43.21 | lneely | informant, right-click on the PDF file, and click "Open with other application" |
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| 13:43.34 | lneely | kind of like another operating system. |
| 13:43.35 | warpzero | informant, its not gay its kool |
| 13:44.00 | informant | lneely, yeah but i mean can i change it so doc viewer is the default |
| 13:44.05 | lneely | then check the box that say "use as default" |
| 13:44.10 | informant | warpzero, very gay |
| 13:44.18 | informant | like Mac OS X |
| 13:44.24 | lneely | shudders |
| 13:44.34 | simonlnu | !gay |
| 13:44.34 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. There is no possible meaning of "gay" that is consistent with your usage (you weren't meaning "happy", now, were you?) that is not offensive. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 13:44.36 | warpzero | i turn off all the effects |
| 13:44.48 | informant | hahaha |
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| 13:44.54 | lneely | hooray for dpkg and its socially progressive attitude! |
| 13:45.22 | informant | simonlnu, kde is literally homosexual |
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| 13:45.48 | simonlnu | it's software. not living. impossible. |
| 13:45.49 | lneely | informant, so kde enjoys the company of a... window manager... of the same gender... ? |
| 13:45.57 | informant | yes |
| 13:46.05 | lneely | scratches head |
| 13:46.14 | informant | and like dpkg said anal stimulation |
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| 13:46.26 | babilen | Please, take your childish discussion somewhere else. Thank you. |
| 13:46.38 | informant | hahaha |
| 13:46.46 | lneely | i think s/he's serious. |
| 13:47.01 | informant | i was leaving anyway... ty again for help |
| 13:47.18 | simonlnu | good riddance |
| 13:47.24 | lneely | nods |
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| 13:49.11 | pipeline | pozic: possible that your srcipt mangles ttys such that sudo is denying permission, or you're running "sudo <inside child: sudo omg>" such that sudo is running as root and root requires a password |
| 13:49.17 | pipeline | pozic: in general, sudo is not intended for use inside scripts |
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| 13:49.30 | pipeline | pozic: write the script as if it is going to be run by your intended user, e.g. root, and then run the entire script with sudo |
| 13:49.48 | warpzero | i have scripts like that |
| 13:49.51 | gnarface | pozic: did you pastebin your sudoers file? |
| 13:50.00 | warpzero | that are then called by other scripts with sudo |
| 13:50.08 | warpzero | ;) |
| 13:50.11 | pipeline | warpzero: that's bad, don't do that :P |
| 13:50.20 | warpzero | meh |
| 13:50.32 | warpzero | the real workaround would be to develop a secure setuid binary to do what i want... |
| 13:50.40 | warpzero | and that |
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| 13:50.44 | warpzero | would take too much effort |
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| 13:51.15 | WormFood | is there some trick to mounting a mac formatted partition, that has the uid/gid I tell it to use? nothing I do works, and I've tried every reasonable option with mount. the uid/gid/umask mount options do not work with 'hpfplus'. |
| 13:51.39 | WormFood | er, I mean 'hfsplus' |
| 13:52.02 | WormFood | what is wrong with this? it makes no sense? why would I want to use apple's uid/gid? they have not relationship to my computer! |
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| 13:52.37 | gnarface | WormFood: can't you just chmod it? |
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| 13:54.06 | warpzero | does any fs that supports unix permissions take uid/gid/umask? |
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| 13:54.30 | warpzero | like does ext2 take it? |
| 13:54.36 | gnarface | that's what unix permissions *are* so, yes |
| 13:54.41 | warpzero | no |
| 13:54.44 | warpzero | the mount option |
| 13:54.47 | gnarface | oh |
| 13:54.52 | warpzero | that sets all files to a certain uid/gid/mode |
| 13:55.12 | gnarface | on the mount options i'm not sure, but i'd recommend checking the man pages |
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| 13:55.37 | warpzero | its not in the list of mount options for any of the usual linux filesystems |
| 13:55.59 | warpzero | WormFood, perhaps there is a FUSE layer you can put on top of it |
| 13:56.12 | gnarface | i'm still not clear why you can't just chmod it after you mount |
| 13:56.22 | gnarface | chown/chmod |
| 13:56.23 | warpzero | maybe its ro |
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| 13:56.52 | gnarface | most filesystems will not mount ro by default unless they are corrupted and need an fsck first |
| 13:57.14 | gnarface | rw/ro IS a mount option |
| 13:57.37 | gnarface | as long as you're root you should be able to chown/chmod anything, unless the filesystem mounted as ro for one reason or another |
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| 13:58.12 | gnarface | (the only other things i could think of is cdroms, or floppies/sd cards with a physical rw/ro switch) |
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| 13:59.13 | pozic | pipeline: no |
| 13:59.26 | pozic | gnarface: no, but I posted the one line that is relevant. |
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| 13:59.45 | gnarface | pozic: post the whole thing |
| 14:00.05 | warpzero | everyone should turn on sudo insults while they're at it |
| 14:00.05 | gnarface | pozic: you used visudo to edit it, right? |
| 14:00.16 | warpzero | i command thee |
| 14:00.19 | pozic | gnarface: the last time I edited it, I did. |
| 14:00.39 | pozic | gnarface: I do not see why I should paste it. I am not a stupid user. I posted the relevant details and I can read. |
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| 14:01.18 | pozic | gnarface: it seems that executing sudo within a script is different from just writing it on a line. |
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| 14:01.31 | pozic | gnarface: that is the problem and I cannot see any reason why that would be the case. |
| 14:01.44 | warpzero | sudo wont work anywhere thats not a real terminal |
| 14:01.49 | warpzero | i/e on a pipe |
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| 14:01.52 | gnarface | pozic: your psedudo-sudo line didn't show me anything apparently wrong |
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| 14:02.24 | pozic | gnarface: I can slightly modify some things to protect the innocent. |
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| 14:03.19 | DammitJim | I like how the graphical installer lets you do a screenshot |
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| 14:03.54 | pozic | gnarface: http://paste.debian.net/112649/ |
| 14:04.41 | gnarface | pozic: fairly obvious problem - you've locked it to a single command. |
| 14:04.45 | warpzero | there's a graphical installer? |
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| 14:04.56 | warpzero | wait |
| 14:04.58 | warpzero | let me rephrase |
| 14:05.02 | warpzero | there's an installer? |
| 14:05.12 | gnarface | pozic: when you do that it only works for that actual command. other commands, forked commands from subscripts, etc... NOPE! |
| 14:05.15 | pozic | gnarface: I execute using sudo <full path of command> |
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| 14:05.35 | gnarface | pozic: but that's a script that executes OTHER commands right? did you think you'd be able to sneak them past sudo? |
| 14:06.03 | pozic | gnarface: that command has a suid bit set. |
| 14:06.12 | gnarface | sudo probably doesn't care |
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| 14:06.35 | pozic | gnarface: sudo thecommand works without a password. |
| 14:06.50 | gnarface | i would put the command thats IN the script that sudo is complaining about, into the sudoers conf |
| 14:07.00 | gnarface | didn't you even try it? |
| 14:07.06 | pozic | gnarface: it is just that putting sudo thecommand in a file and call that which causes the problem/ |
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| 14:07.23 | pozic | gnarface: the thing is, that it should work without a user saying "sudo". |
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| 14:08.07 | pozic | gnarface: via your "solution", users would still have to enter "sudo". |
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| 14:08.29 | pozic | gnarface: are you telling me that sudo is simply a retarded system which cannot be automated? |
| 14:08.56 | gnarface | pozic: no, i've done exactly what you tried to do, and after a very tedious read through the sudo(ers) man page it really wasn't that hard. i'm telling you that you should read the man pages again and stop arguing with me over how sudo SHOULD work and just learn how it DOES work |
| 14:09.03 | gnarface | how you THINK it SHOULD work is irrelevant |
| 14:09.18 | pozic | gnarface: I read the damn manual 10 times. |
| 14:09.18 | gnarface | how it DOES work can be made to DO what you want, you just need to understand it instead of argue with it |
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| 14:09.44 | gnarface | pozic: who runs the backup command? |
| 14:09.58 | pozic | gnarface: so, how can I use it such that users do not have to enter the word sudo? |
| 14:10.09 | pozic | gnarface: user1, user2 ... |
| 14:10.31 | gnarface | wait i'm confused... i thought the point here was so that they don't have to enter a password... |
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| 14:10.41 | pozic | gnarface: which is why it says "NOPASSWD |
| 14:10.44 | gnarface | right |
| 14:10.53 | pozic | gnarface: why would you then be confused? |
| 14:11.08 | gnarface | is the point to allow them to use sudo without entering a password, or is the point to allow them to use sudo without using sudo? |
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| 14:11.36 | pozic | gnarface: the point is for them to be able to execute a single command without entering any authorization. |
| 14:11.36 | askhader | I am attempting to use usb-creator to create a bootable debian install usb but am given the error: An uncaught exception was raised: |
| 14:11.39 | askhader | Invalid version string 'GNU/Linux' |
| 14:11.57 | pozic | gnarface: I thought sudo was one way to make that work, if it isn't then, I want to do it via some other way. |
| 14:12.00 | gnarface | pozic: so "gnarface: so, how can I use it such that users do not have to enter the word sudo?" seems to countradict that and confused me |
| 14:12.15 | jhutchins_lt | askhader: WTF is "usb-creator" and where did you get it? |
| 14:12.22 | askhader | Does the source really not support debian isos? |
| 14:12.23 | gnarface | pozic: its totally an option with sudo, but you will still at least have to have the word "sudo" somewhere in the script |
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| 14:12.35 | pozic | gnarface: the script contains the word sudo. |
| 14:12.56 | gnarface | pozic: what command is on that line that you are passing to sudo in the script? |
| 14:13.06 | pozic | gnarface: the full path as specified in the paste. |
| 14:13.23 | gnarface | pozic: /usr/bin/backup? you mean? |
| 14:13.32 | askhader | jhutchins_lt: Bleh apparently this software was meant for ubuntu isos |
| 14:13.35 | pozic | gnarface: yes, we both speak English, right? |
| 14:13.43 | pozic | There is only one path in the paste. |
| 14:13.45 | gnarface | pozic: what is /usr/bin/backup? a shell script? |
| 14:13.50 | pozic | gnarface: yes |
| 14:14.04 | jhutchins_lt | !tell askhader about usb install |
| 14:14.06 | gnarface | pozic: what commands are inside the backup script, and why are THEY not also in your sudoers? |
| 14:14.13 | gnarface | pozic: this is like pulling teeth |
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| 14:14.24 | askhader | jhutchins_lt: Danke |
| 14:14.33 | pozic | gnarface: they are not in my sudoers file, because it should cascade obviously. |
| 14:15.03 | jhutchins_lt | askhader: I used unetbootin on linux to create a squeeze installer. |
| 14:15.10 | pozic | gnarface: if I say that command X is to be used by a bunch of users I do not want to specify that all its dependencies that are required for correct operation are also safe. |
| 14:15.20 | pozic | gnarface: can't you see the retardedness of that? |
| 14:15.31 | gnarface | pozic: now you're arguing with how sudoers DOES work and expecting your opinion and this discussion to somehow magically change it |
| 14:15.52 | pozic | gnarface: sudo /usr/bin/backup _works_. |
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| 14:16.00 | pozic | gnarface: you are not applying the rules of logic in this discussion |
| 14:16.18 | gnarface | pozic: whats in the backup script? a tar command? |
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| 14:16.27 | pozic | gnarface: _nobody_ cares about that. |
| 14:16.44 | gnarface | pozic: i care |
| 14:16.44 | pozic | gnarface: the problem is that sudo foo works on the command line, but not when placed in a script of only one line |
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| 14:17.00 | pozic | gnarface: there is nothing else in that script. |
| 14:17.33 | gnarface | pozic: i give up, good luck! |
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| 14:17.42 | pozic | gnarface: you have not said a single thing. |
| 14:18.08 | gnarface | i said, good day sir! |
| 14:18.33 | pozic | gnarface: you are clueless. Please refrain from communicating with other members in this community. TYVM. |
| 14:18.54 | gnarface | can i vote to kick? |
| 14:19.11 | pozic | gnarface: just because you are not helpful? |
| 14:19.25 | pozic | gnarface: you have only wasted my time; you should be kicked. |
| 14:19.29 | themill | enough |
| 14:19.30 | gnarface | pozic: i'm sorry i can't alter the rules of time and space to adjust sudo to your expectations |
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| 14:19.54 | gnarface | pozic: when i did this i had to put the actual tar command that the script ran into the sudoers file |
| 14:20.05 | gnarface | that's the only way i know of |
| 14:20.17 | pozic | gnarface: I do not care about your "experiences". I care about someone who actually knows. |
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| 14:20.32 | gnarface | well good luck with that |
| 14:20.39 | pozic | Someone who says "sudo has been designed to do X Y Z, which was done for Foo Bar Baz". |
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| 14:21.29 | pozic | If you do not know the answer to a question, just do not respond or say "I do not know". The question was completely unambiguous and all the relevant information had been posted. |
| 14:21.34 | StrayVoltage | Hm. I need to shrink the partition where home/ is located, create a new partition, and move var/ to the new partition. Any ideas on where I should begin this odyssey? =) |
| 14:21.54 | gnarface | pozic: get over it! read the man page an 11th time |
| 14:21.58 | pozic | StrayVoltage: most people would say backup. It also depends on the file system. |
| 14:22.16 | petemc | StrayVoltage: there are numerous cds with gparted |
| 14:22.17 | StrayVoltage | pozic: ext3. |
| 14:22.52 | pozic | StrayVoltage: I recently did that with the help of a rescue cd. I can only say that the process is painful, because tools could be made to make it trivial. |
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| 14:23.19 | petemc | pozic: what did you use? |
| 14:23.24 | pozic | petemc: rescuecd.org |
| 14:23.26 | petemc | it should be trivial |
| 14:23.34 | StrayVoltage | pozic: Yeah, that's what I figured after some quick googling. :/ |
| 14:23.50 | pozic | petemc: you still need to say things like mkfs.ext3 etc. |
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| 14:24.04 | petemc | pozic: you do? |
| 14:24.05 | pozic | petemc: you cannot just say "move foobar to bar and I do not care how you do it". |
| 14:24.18 | pozic | petemc: or just drag and drop some stuff in a GUI. |
| 14:24.24 | petemc | gparted is a gui |
| 14:24.24 | efaistos | hi ... how can we do a netinstallation with usb key because it cant find the cdrom to mount the required files at the beginning ... |
| 14:24.37 | pozic | petemc: and gparted did not work with LVM in my case. |
| 14:24.52 | petemc | well, op isnt using lvm by the sounds of it |
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| 14:25.57 | dvs | efaistos: a netinst gets the packages over the Internet. |
| 14:25.57 | StrayVoltage | pozic: So I _have to_ boot the box into another OS first? I can't just unmount the partition, and hack at it that way? |
| 14:26.38 | petemc | StrayVoltage: you can, live cds just make it easier because you dont have to worry about open files etc |
| 14:26.40 | askhader | jhutchins_lt: 4.3.1 didnt work |
| 14:26.49 | babilen | efaistos: How did you create the USB stick with the installer? |
| 14:26.54 | StrayVoltage | Sorry if my questions sounds nooby. I'm quite new at this game. :) |
| 14:27.12 | babilen | efaistos: You are trying to install from an USB stick as opposed to from a CD aren't you? |
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| 14:27.40 | StrayVoltage | petemc: It's a new box with just me as the user, so that shoudn't be much of a problem. |
| 14:27.46 | petemc | all good |
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| 14:28.24 | efaistos | babilen: yes ... but you cant choose USB key during the installation, can you ? |
| 14:28.29 | dubcl | Hey! WTF www.debian.org??? |
| 14:28.43 | dvs | dubcl: new name |
| 14:28.43 | efaistos | babilen: and I created it with unetbootin |
| 14:28.52 | efaistos | dvs: what do you mean ? |
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| 14:29.18 | babilen | efaistos: Why would you want to choose an USB key during the installation? Is the installer starting? |
| 14:29.23 | efaistos | the installation starts well until the moment when it tries to mount the cdrom to launch the different programs to start the installation |
| 14:29.23 | babilen | !usb install |
| 14:29.23 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 14:29.51 | dubcl | dvs: i thing that is an april fool day :B |
| 14:30.08 | dvs | dubcl: Awww. You're too smart |
| 14:30.29 | babilen | efaistos: The installation guide also gives instructions on how to create the USB stick ("cat the_installation.iso > /dev/sdX" ; sync") |
| 14:30.39 | dubcl | dvs: yeah!, i known |
| 14:30.55 | dubcl | XD |
| 14:31.40 | babilen | efaistos: No idea what unetbootin does and how to debug it. |
| 14:32.13 | dubcl | im from chile, the fool day here is on december 28 |
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| 14:33.20 | efaistos | babilen: i'll try that way to see |
| 14:33.24 | dvs | efaistos: Maybe you need the first CD/DVD somewhere on the USB drive. |
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| 14:36.24 | gnarface | hey pozic lemme know if you figure out that sudoers problem. now i'm curious how someone who is not a stupid user would solve it |
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| 14:39.29 | Parthiban | Is there any possibility for me to use a debian os which uses kernel 2.4.9 version and below ?? |
| 14:40.03 | Guest66642 | http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110401.en.html i just saw this. is this a joke ? |
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| 14:40.35 | gnarface | Parthiban: i don't think so anymore - but i believe damnsmalllinux still uses a 2.4 kernel and is a debian derivative - perhaps you might look into that? |
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| 14:41.47 | gnarface | Guest66642: since its april fool's day and its also on slashdot i would assume yes :-p |
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| 14:41.53 | babilen | Guest66642: No, it is the first successful project initiated by the Debian Derivatives Frontdesk (http://wiki.debian.org/DerivativesFrontDesk). We expect Canterbury to be released during this year, but only when its ready. It will be a DEB based distribution with parts of the ports system integrated, so you can easily recompile packages with USE flags with "apt-get -b source PKG" |
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| 14:42.05 | babilen | gnarface: *sniff* |
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| 14:42.31 | gnarface | woops sorry did i spoil it? |
| 14:42.34 | Guest66642 | that will be great |
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| 14:42.52 | _RedGhost_ | hi |
| 14:42.58 | lusotux | Parthiban, just use Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 (`sarge') |
| 14:43.08 | babilen | !install sarge |
| 14:43.12 | _RedGhost_ | How can I find out from which repo a package on my system comes from? |
| 14:43.14 | lusotux | has kernel 2.4.27. |
| 14:43.39 | dvs | _RedGhost_: apt-cache policy <package name> |
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| 14:45.52 | _RedGhost_ | dvs: thanks |
| 14:45.57 | dvs | np |
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| 14:46.18 | babilen | _RedGhost_: May I ask why you want this? |
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| 14:46.58 | Parthiban | Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 (`sarge'), what kernel version does it uses? |
| 14:47.55 | jelly | !sarge |
| 14:47.55 | dpkg | Sarge is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.1, released June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported. Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Removed from the mirrors; ask me about <sarge sources.list>, <sarge-backports>. Get old Sarge ISOs here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSarge |
| 14:48.30 | jelly | Parthiban: read that last wiki page |
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| 14:51.06 | Parthiban | In damn small linux, could I know which version uses the kernel V2.4.9 and below ? |
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| 14:51.35 | lusotux | maybe you should ask on #dsl :D |
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| 14:52.10 | jelly | Parthiban: why don't you just build 2.4.9 and use it on debian 3.1 or 3.0 or something similar? |
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| 14:53.12 | Parthiban | jelly: The current gcc version is not supporting for the 2.4.9 version. |
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| 14:53.40 | jelly | Parthiban: well build it on that distro. |
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| 15:12.01 | nikolaj_basher | hi is it normal to use deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free in the repo list |
| 15:12.16 | gnarface | probably |
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| 15:13.06 | jhutchins_lt | Some would use ftp. |
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| 15:15.09 | infostar | hi from spain |
| 15:15.11 | b0rk | hi, my installer crashed out near the end and i unfortunately didnt get a chance to check the error log, i was attempting an install in a vm with 64mb ram and 500mb space |
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| 15:15.25 | nikolaj_basher | jhutchins, thanks |
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| 15:15.55 | infostar | i need help any use my postfix server to send spam, how to clear this scrip??????? |
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| 15:16.01 | b0rk | i checked the docs that said 500mb is enough for a base install so could the ram be the issue? |
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| 15:16.23 | petemc | b0rk: which docs? the squeeze install guide specifies 650 meg free space |
| 15:16.33 | gnarface | b0rk: you got any swap? |
| 15:16.35 | petemc | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s05.html.en |
| 15:16.57 | b0rk | petemc: i scanned the debian.org site for docs before installing and it said 500mb, im guessing not the same docs as them |
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| 15:17.11 | justin | b0rk: did it run out of space? |
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| 15:17.51 | b0rk | gnarface: i didnt think id need swap just for the install, sadly i couldnt check /var/log, il be installing with 128mb this time and will check the log if it fails again |
| 15:18.06 | justin | b0rk: once you get it installed it should run fine with 64M |
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| 15:18.36 | justin | I have a lenny vm that has 64M of ram, it uses 22M |
| 15:18.48 | b0rk | justin: yes, ive set it up before on less, the error came as a surprise (i previously got a failed error when installing but that was a disk space issue) |
| 15:18.56 | gnarface | the installer HAS been getting heavier though - i remember when you could install with 16MB |
| 15:19.02 | b0rk | all i remember was error code (2) |
| 15:19.07 | b0rk | yeah :/ |
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| 15:19.32 | b0rk | i could do with exploring my options but ive grown comfortable with debian |
| 15:19.51 | justin | you can get debian down pretty low once it is installed |
| 15:20.11 | justin | remove locales, man pages, /usr/share/doc, crap like that |
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| 15:20.40 | b0rk | justin: yes i do that, it would be nice to not have to remove them in the first place, i suppose i would need a custom image for that? |
| 15:20.54 | justin | nope |
| 15:20.57 | justin | you can install localepurge |
| 15:21.13 | justin | and there is also a way with the newer dpkg squeeze to tell it not to install files in /usr/share/doc |
| 15:21.13 | b0rk | i mean so they arent installed with the base |
| 15:21.50 | b0rk | where can i specify such options during the install stage? |
| 15:21.56 | justin | I don't think you can |
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| 15:22.19 | b0rk | ah, thats what i meant, i could use a smaller virtual disk if that was possible |
| 15:22.21 | justin | but you wouldn't save much anyway |
| 15:22.42 | b0rk | i really strip it down to the bare essentials for the few services i need |
| 15:22.45 | gnarface | a base install should finish up at like 380-400 MB shouldn't it? |
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| 15:23.05 | petemc | 650 |
| 15:23.10 | gnarface | oh its gone up? |
| 15:23.15 | petemc | aye |
| 15:23.23 | b0rk | thats just base? |
| 15:23.30 | gnarface | you can install less than the base |
| 15:23.39 | gnarface | base has handy stuff though |
| 15:23.42 | gnarface | like fileutils |
| 15:23.50 | gnarface | more |
| 15:23.52 | gnarface | make |
| 15:23.54 | gnarface | etc |
| 15:24.00 | b0rk | you can specify less from the net install cd? |
| 15:24.08 | gnarface | just don't select anything at all |
| 15:24.19 | gnarface | on expert mode when you see the list of options |
| 15:24.32 | b0rk | i dont but theres no options before 'install base system', optionals is after |
| 15:24.50 | gnarface | desktop install, server install, database server, web server, dns, base system ,etc... just don't select any of them - you're not required to select any of them to finish the install |
| 15:25.05 | gnarface | of course, what you'll get is gonna be capable of little other than installing more packages |
| 15:25.10 | b0rk | yes but thats not base is it |
| 15:25.13 | gnarface | that is not base |
| 15:25.22 | b0rk | [16:22] <gnarface> you can install less than the base |
| 15:25.24 | gnarface | base contains like standard stuff you're certain to want eventually |
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| 15:25.51 | gnarface | there is a option for "base system" in expert mode - along side "desktop system" and the other options |
| 15:25.57 | gnarface | your'e not required to select *any* of them |
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| 15:26.35 | gnarface | you're doing this for a vm right? try it |
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| 15:26.44 | gnarface | make sure you select "expert" |
| 15:26.55 | jhutchins_lt | My /usr/share/doc is only 236M |
| 15:27.04 | gnarface | non-expert mode probably has the same options but i just can't tell you for sure |
| 15:27.20 | psilikon | anyone here ever installed python bindings for net-snmp? |
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| 15:27.58 | b0rk | gnarface: i do expert install in a vm yes, i cant select individual packages for the base system though |
| 15:28.18 | justin | b0rk: who cares about the installer? just delete what you don't need after the fact |
| 15:28.18 | gnarface | b0rk: i'm trying to tell you not to select "base system" at all |
| 15:28.32 | gnarface | jesus my /usr/share/doc is 634MB |
| 15:30.46 | justin | http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/11/15/save-disk-space-by-excluding-useless-files-with-dpkg |
| 15:31.25 | b0rk | gnarface: il give it a try and skip 'install base system' then, thanks |
| 15:31.32 | ElDiabolo | gnarface, You should have read that :) |
| 15:32.07 | b0rk | i usually remove what i dont need after install and run deborphan a few times |
| 15:32.35 | gnarface | ElDiabolo: hah noted. it does look useful when starved for disk space |
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| 15:33.31 | gnarface | b0rk: should be possible to install literally very little other than a bootable user environment with apt so you can install other stuff |
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| 15:34.07 | b0rk | gnarface: will i be presented with aptitude if i dont select base install or a similar package manager? |
| 15:34.30 | gnarface | yes, apt should be amongst the default packages |
| 15:34.42 | gnarface | aptitude my need to be installed separately (i am not sure with squeeze) |
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| 15:35.04 | peleg | Hi. A friend of mine cannot access my server using ssh. He keeps getting "permission denied (publickey)", but I can't understand why. His public key (id_rsa.pub) is in his /home/hisusername/.ssh as "authorized_keys", chmoded to 600 and owned by root, everything just like with my user. when I ssh, everything works properly. What can it be? Thanks! |
| 15:35.04 | b0rk | during installation i mean |
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| 15:35.47 | gnarface | b0rk: don't bother with your packages during installation. what you want is the minimum possible for it to boot and allow you to log in and apt-get other things. that way you can manage your disk space more carefully |
| 15:36.08 | gnarface | b0rk: also that thing justin posted looks like a neat way to save some disk space as well |
| 15:36.18 | peleg | when I mean "in his /home/hisusername/.ssh", I mean at that folder on the sever. His id_rsa and id_rsa.pub are in his /home/username/.ssh/ with the original names. |
| 15:36.46 | peleg | When we created the keys, we used the filename "test" instead of "id_rsa", but then renamed it. Could it be the cause? (I guess not...) |
| 15:36.47 | rigved | peleg: that key has to be there on his local machine as well |
| 15:37.02 | b0rk | gnarface: we're getting confused, i dont think there is a way NOT to install 'base system' during the installation, and then choose packages seperately, i could be wrong, il be back in a bit to report my findings after installation |
| 15:37.09 | peleg | rigved, both keys are on the local machine, in ~/.ssh/ |
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| 15:37.26 | ElDiabolo | peleg, authorized_keys should be owned by the user and be readable by all. These are public keys. |
| 15:37.36 | b0rk | gnarface: by base i mean the bare bones install, no x etc |
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| 15:38.12 | gnarface | b0rk: i'd have to boot a squeeze installer to find out unfortunately, but before that, with lenny, there was (in expert mode at least) |
| 15:38.14 | peleg | ElDiabolo, I've read that openssh usually like it to be chmoded to 600. Either way, with my user it works that way... |
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| 15:39.08 | rigved | peleg: the error is not because of a problem from the server side. it's because the local machine does not know of the key. |
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| 15:39.29 | b0rk | gnarface: thanks, back in a bit |
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| 15:39.53 | jhutchins_lt | peleg: Try chowing authorized_keys to the user. |
| 15:39.57 | erAbuelo | buenas tardes |
| 15:40.07 | justin | !+debug sshd |
| 15:40.07 | dpkg | To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "/usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. See also <slow ssh connect>, <ssh permissions>. |
| 15:40.24 | peleg | rigved, interesting. maybe we should have not changed the filename from test / test.pub to id_rsa / id_rsa.pub without letting the system know about it somehow? |
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| 15:40.38 | peleg | jhutchins_lt, I'll try, thanks. |
| 15:40.49 | justin | peleg: ssh -vv on the client. read log |
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| 15:41.02 | justin | ..rather than guessing what the problem is |
| 15:41.05 | peleg | justin, that might be useful, thanks. |
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| 15:42.16 | jhutchins_lt | I think the error message is pretty explicit, no need for deep dark troubleshooting. |
| 15:42.51 | peleg | jhutchins_lt, well, I guess there may be quite a lot of reasons for permission denial. |
| 15:43.49 | gnarface | ssh has a very specific requirement for the permissions setting on the ~/.ssh directory as well as the keys inside (not just one or the other) |
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| 15:44.53 | gnarface | if its not exactly correct for both, it give you a permission error |
| 15:44.58 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: If it's 600 root:root the user isn't going to be able to read it, nor will ssh when run by the user. |
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| 15:45.53 | gnarface | i know that. but if its not 600 at all ssh will refuse to read it |
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| 15:46.07 | jhutchins_lt | Mine are world readable except id_rsa |
| 15:46.45 | askhader | What is the most trivial way to set up a network boot (on the server end)? |
| 15:46.47 | gnarface | is there a flag in sshd_config to relax it? |
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| 15:47.09 | gnarface | because i've never succeeded at pubkey auth unless i had the keys AND the directory set to the right ownership and permissions |
| 15:47.46 | home-alone | hi . my ntfs drives have become read only how to mount them..??? |
| 15:47.59 | mentor | gnarface: man sshd_config |
| 15:48.02 | jhutchins_lt | askhader: ltsp |
| 15:48.13 | askhader | jhutchins_lt: Thanks I am going to look into it |
| 15:48.19 | gnarface | mentor: i've no intention of relaxing the default checks, but thanks |
| 15:48.22 | peleg | justin, tried using his key from my computer, and here's the tail of the verbose command: http://pastebin.com/ZTRqhV1Z -- what do you think? I can't understand really what it means. |
| 15:48.31 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Numerically that's 644, and I do use keys. |
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| 15:48.47 | mentor | StrictModes |
| 15:49.32 | justin | peleg: do what the debug sshd factoid said to do |
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| 15:49.55 | peleg | justin, ok, thanks |
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| 15:50.10 | home-alone | how to mount ntfs drives |
| 15:50.23 | jhutchins_lt | !NTFS |
| 15:50.23 | dpkg | [ntfs] Windows NT File System. There are 3 drivers in Debian: the read-only Linux kernel driver and <FUSE> drivers providing write support. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <ntfsck>, <label>. FAQ: http://linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en . http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS http://linux-ntfs.org/ #ntfs on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:50.36 | askhader | jhutchins_lt: How would I use ltsp to boot an installer image? |
| 15:50.54 | root_ | how can I put portage on debian? |
| 15:50.57 | jhutchins_lt | askhader: That's a bit harder. I believe the install guide has some detail on it. |
| 15:51.14 | askhader | jhutchins_lt: Well that was my question |
| 15:51.18 | home-alone | my ntfs has read only . I want to fix them |
| 15:51.22 | askhader | What is the most trivial way to set up a network boot (on the server end)? |
| 15:51.28 | askhader | network install boot* I guess |
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| 15:52.05 | jhutchins_lt | !tell askhader about ig |
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| 15:52.43 | gnarface | mentor, jhutchins_lt thanks for pointing out there is an sshd_config option to turn off file permissions checking for key auth. good to know people will go to any length to prove someone wrong - but i don't think you should be advising people to use that solution over just setting the permissions safely |
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| 15:53.29 | DammitJim | is sshfs the easiest way to mount a share over ssh? |
| 15:53.39 | justin | askhader: network boot to run the installer, or actually boot an installed system over nfs? |
| 15:53.47 | askhader | justin: The former. |
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| 15:53.51 | justin | DammitJim: sshfs is pretty much the only way to mount a share over ssh |
| 15:54.01 | justin | askhader: you just need dhcp + tftp |
| 15:54.16 | askhader | justin: What I need is sound documentation on how to perform this. |
| 15:54.19 | justin | if you have neither, dnsmasq will do both pretty trivially |
| 15:54.27 | gnarface | DammitJim: that was my experience, yes but it was also just about the slowest in throughput too. if you care about throughput you might want to consider ... anything else |
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| 15:54.56 | rcconf | hi |
| 15:55.10 | DammitJim | gnarface, what do you suggest? |
| 15:55.27 | DammitJim | I'm trying to do this over the internet |
| 15:55.28 | mentor | gnarface: Yes, we are all out to get you. |
| 15:55.37 | rcconf | im a Ubuntu user, but what to user another distro for Server |
| 15:55.41 | justin | sshfs works fine over the internet |
| 15:55.42 | rcconf | do you recommend debian? |
| 15:55.49 | rcconf | want* |
| 15:55.54 | gnarface | DammitJim: well the "over ssh" part is more or less immutable.... and that's gonna be the bottleneck... but if you were doing it on a secure network you'd find nfs much faster, just fyi |
| 15:56.01 | mentor | gnarface: The fact that I wandered by the channel, saw only your query, to which I had data on, and added to the conversation is irrelevant. |
| 15:56.04 | jhutchins_lt | rcconf: Yes we recommend debian. |
| 15:56.12 | justin | and sshfs is not much slower than nfs, it's certainly not much slower than nfs4+krb5p |
| 15:56.16 | jhutchins_lt | rcconf: Debian stable (squeeze). |
| 15:56.30 | DammitJim | secure network such as vpn? |
| 15:56.31 | gnarface | mentor: sorry i'm testy today. i should not have tried to start a fight... i was actually responding to someone *else's* pubkey issue |
| 15:56.36 | rcconf | jhutchins_lt: are the Directories similar to Ubuntu? |
| 15:56.43 | rcconf | the commands and apps etc |
| 15:56.53 | jhutchins_lt | rcconf: Yes, Ubuntu is derived from Debian. |
| 15:56.54 | mentor | Incidentally, no, I would not recommend turning that option off. |
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| 15:57.13 | DammitJim | rcconf, but Ubuntu is not Debian |
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| 15:57.28 | rcconf | I noticed by the name ;) |
| 15:57.30 | gnarface | DammitJim: well, i meant more like a secure network like a LAN inside a locked vault with a firewall and an armed guard... |
| 15:57.30 | justin | sshfs with the default settings locally here does 44.1MB/s (350mbit) |
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| 15:58.02 | jhutchins_lt | peleg: So did you verify correct ownership/permissions on both systems? |
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| 15:58.36 | peleg | jhutchins_lt, well, that's what I'm doing again now. I hope it'll work :) |
| 15:58.43 | gnarface | justin: what type of cpu are you using for that? and is that a sustained transfer? like, more than a few hundred MB? |
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| 15:59.37 | gnarface | hasn't seen sshfs capable of pushing more than around 10mb/s (not MB) but maybe that's more due to his cheap ass hardware |
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| 15:59.55 | rcconf | from where can I download ubuntu server 32 bit edition in torrent |
| 15:59.57 | justin | gnarface: client is a core2duo E8400, server is a VM ontop of a xeon 5160 |
| 16:00.01 | rcconf | oops :) |
| 16:00.04 | rcconf | debian :) |
| 16:00.04 | Natasiel | hi, quick question: any tools to easily configure /etc/network/interfaces in a curse based menu? (etherconf seems to be no more) |
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| 16:00.18 | gnarface | justin: fancy! |
| 16:00.20 | jhutchins_lt | !tell rcconf about ig |
| 16:00.32 | jhutchins_lt | rcconf: Everything you need to know in a message from dpkg. |
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| 16:00.44 | rcconf | k tks |
| 16:00.58 | zgedneil | I'd go for a net install though personally |
| 16:01.17 | zgedneil | you'll only be installing a fraction of it after all |
| 16:01.27 | maligor | apparently this is a channel for the Canterbury distribution now |
| 16:01.31 | gnarface | justin: wait do either of those boards have hardware entropy chips onboard? cause that can have a huge effect too |
| 16:01.41 | justin | gnarface: why would it matter? |
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| 16:02.08 | justin | only the initial ssh connection needs random number generation |
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| 16:02.24 | gnarface | justin: i would assume that sustained large file transfers over ssh would continue to use them - no? |
| 16:02.31 | zgedneil | maligor: ? |
| 16:02.41 | maligor | check debian.org :P |
| 16:02.47 | rcconf | zgedneil: net install? |
| 16:02.52 | rcconf | why |
| 16:02.54 | zgedneil | oh, stupid lie day I suppose, right |
| 16:02.57 | jhutchins_lt | Looking for deep dark secrets is probably unproductive given that the standard installation of Debian's ssh works fine with keys out-of-the-box. |
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| 16:03.04 | zgedneil | rcconf: much less downloading |
| 16:03.09 | rcconf | eh |
| 16:03.17 | rcconf | i dont care about bandwidth |
| 16:03.27 | zgedneil | also less hassle IMHO |
| 16:03.32 | zgedneil | but up to you of course |
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| 16:04.34 | rcconf | why there is a downlaod page for server edition |
| 16:04.38 | rcconf | isnt |
| 16:04.47 | justin | rcconf: there is only one edition |
| 16:04.52 | gnarface | justin: i just always assumed that if your chipset had a hardware random number generator in them (which at least used to be quite rare) than ssh/scp type data throughput would be far less cpu limited |
| 16:05.08 | rcconf | justin: can i choose cli only during install? |
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| 16:05.13 | jhutchins_lt | rcconf: There isn't a server edition, it becomes a server by what you choose to install. Have a look at that Install Guide that dpkg linked you to, it's quite extensive. |
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| 16:05.42 | zgedneil | I suppose some would consider ubuntu the desktop to debian's server? :-) |
| 16:06.03 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: ssh only uses random input when establishing the connection. Once established it doesn't need it any more. |
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| 16:06.37 | sepski | zgedneil, I consider ubuntu the toy to debian's tool. kinda like the plastic hammer and scredriver kits the kids run around with :P |
| 16:06.44 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: interesting. good to know. is anything that uses SSL the same in that respect? |
| 16:06.47 | jhutchins_lt | zgedneil: Most of us consider Debian a fine environment for either Desktop or server. |
| 16:06.54 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Yes. |
| 16:07.15 | zgedneil | FWIW I have no opinion on the matter, barely used ubuntu myself |
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| 16:07.39 | rcconf | ubuntu is good to start |
| 16:08.17 | jhutchins_lt | zgedneil: Sometimes it's a little more work to use Debian, because you have to choose some of the options manually instead of someone else choosing them for you. |
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| 16:09.54 | pistolpete | jhutchins_lt: that's called freedom! ;) |
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| 16:12.29 | rcconf | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 16:12.36 | rcconf | which do I grab? |
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| 16:12.59 | rcconf | why there is cd1 cd2 cd3 etc |
| 16:13.32 | gnarface | rcconf: those are just for people who are installing to systems that don't have a live network connection - that's the complete system on disk. go get the network installer instead |
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| 16:13.49 | rcconf | gnarface: i want to burn to a cd |
| 16:13.52 | gnarface | rcconf: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 16:13.53 | almonds | hey |
| 16:14.20 | rcconf | hey |
| 16:14.23 | jhutchins_lt | rcconf: Have you looked at the install guide yet? |
| 16:14.29 | rcconf | sort of |
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| 16:17.29 | almonds | im trying to bond ethernet interfaces with ifenslave and i get a driver error |
| 16:17.39 | almonds | im doing it on backtrack-linux |
| 16:17.44 | almonds | Master 'bond0': Error: handshake with driver failed. Aborting |
| 16:17.54 | almonds | i ran ifenslave bond0 eth0 eth1 |
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| 16:23.29 | Mmike | Hello, guys? Anyone here using ejabberd from the repos? after apt-get install ejabberd the service is starting, for at least 5 minutes now, and it is still not started |
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| 16:24.11 | Zvpun | Hi, I am looking for a list of assembler commands, is there a assembler-doc package or something similar you know of that I could install? |
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| 16:44.03 | erAbuelo | hasta mas tarde :) |
| 16:45.38 | Natasiel | so, nothing to replace the old etherconf? |
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| 16:46.14 | almonds | anyone know how to bond interfaces on backtrack-linx |
| 16:46.16 | almonds | linux |
| 16:46.49 | gnarface | Natasiel: its not network-manager? |
| 16:47.10 | jhutchins_lt | !bt |
| 16:47.10 | dpkg | i guess bt is Bhutan, or <bluetooth>, or British Telecom, or <bittorrent>, or <BackTrack>, or <bttv>. |
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| 16:47.19 | jhutchins_lt | !backtrack |
| 16:47.19 | dpkg | BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. |
| 16:47.22 | gnarface | Natasiel: i just edit my /etc/network/interfaces manually |
| 16:47.51 | classical | whats wrong with debian site ? :-D |
| 16:48.07 | classical | Robin H. Johnson, lead of the Gentoo Infrastructure team, in a panel of core Gentoo developers at SCALE9x: I really hate compiling-induced downtime |
| 16:48.07 | Ash-Fox | Nothing. |
| 16:48.14 | classical | i loled at this so hard |
| 16:48.17 | Ash-Fox | classical, it's working as intended. |
| 16:48.27 | classical | good fool |
| 16:48.31 | classical | :-D |
| 16:48.36 | Natasiel | gnarface, thank you; I wanted something curses based to easily manage lots of interfaces |
| 16:48.37 | almonds | thanks |
| 16:48.43 | classical | i meant the main page |
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| 16:49.55 | gnarface | Natasiel: i believe there are alternate clients for network-manager -command line stuff even. i've just never used any of them so i don't know what they're called. i'd suggest checking out what "apt-cache search network-manager" returns |
| 16:50.11 | Flashtek | Q: can someone give me a good reason to have group passwords ?? (gpasswd) |
| 16:50.23 | gnarface | Natasiel: also apt-cache search networkmanager |
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| 16:51.40 | Natasiel | gnarface, everything seems x-based, I guess editing the file manually will be the way to go; thanks anyway |
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| 16:52.11 | jhutchins_lt | I think there's a curses based NM controller. Wicd can do curses too - if it works at all. |
| 16:52.18 | geegeegee | is there any reason why /home cant be on another hard drive? |
| 16:52.32 | Flashtek | geegeegee: nope, mine is |
| 16:52.36 | gnarface | Natasiel: sorry, that's the way i always do it.... figuring out how to deal with the various network configuration tools always ended up seeming more complicated to me than the basic format of /etc/network/interfaces itself |
| 16:52.51 | geegeegee | i just copy the folders, and change the entry in /etc/fstab Flashtek ? |
| 16:52.58 | Flashtek | geegeegee: indeed |
| 16:53.01 | geegeegee | ok thanks :D |
| 16:53.03 | Flashtek | np |
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| 16:53.58 | Natasiel | gnarface, I guess once I saw a dhcp, static and pppoe configuration exemple, everything will be fine |
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| 16:54.35 | b0rk | hi, im looking for a debian 5 official mirror, is there a known popular one? |
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| 16:55.09 | askhader | when performing a network boot of the installer, which file is tftp serving up precisely? pxelinux.0 ? |
| 16:55.09 | dkr | !mirrors |
| 16:55.10 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
| 16:55.39 | gnarface | b0rk: don't you want to be using debian 6 now? |
| 16:55.42 | b0rk | thanks, im going through the list but havent found 5.0 yet |
| 16:55.55 | b0rk | gnarface: 5 has lower system requirements, thats why |
| 16:56.01 | gnarface | 5.0 is oldstable, you'd have to get it out of an archive mirror i think |
| 16:56.17 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: No, it's still on the mirrors. |
| 16:56.26 | b0rk | thats the one that needed 500mb and 56mb ram, i had the wrong manual before, its still supported |
| 16:56.29 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Should be until next February. |
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| 16:56.38 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: noted |
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| 17:02.58 | zaarg | if i modify a package's init script, will it be nuked if i upgrade the package? |
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| 17:03.15 | b0rk | found lenny, cheers |
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| 17:03.20 | dkr | zaarg: you'll be given an option to nuke/keep/view diff/edit |
| 17:03.28 | dkr | when you upgrade |
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| 17:03.46 | zaarg | that's what i would have thought |
| 17:03.52 | zaarg | can i say never touch this file some how? |
| 17:03.54 | SlinkyDog | hi |
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| 17:05.02 | dkr | zaarg: you mean make it so when you do the upgrade it automatically chooses to keep instead of asking you? hrm, maybe some apt preference you could set |
| 17:05.22 | zaarg | yeah, that's what i was thinking |
| 17:05.23 | zaarg | checking |
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| 17:05.42 | gnarface | maybe dpkg? |
| 17:05.48 | gnarface | i thought it was actually a dpkg option |
| 17:05.52 | gnarface | i always forget what it is though |
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| 17:08.01 | kaeser | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/04/01/1212219/Debian-OpenSUSE-Arch-Gentoo-and-Grml-Merge |
| 17:08.05 | kaeser | :) |
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| 17:08.49 | capitan__ | haha... the guys from the other distros were being good sports :P |
| 17:09.16 | capitan__ | "I really hate compiling-induced downtime. I've been looking forward to installing packages with just a couple of keystrokes."... lol |
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| 17:17.27 | Sicelo | evening everyone |
| 17:17.27 | metalfan_ | hi |
| 17:17.28 | askhader | dhcp3-server gives me this error when I attempt to start it pastebin.com/ggDR04DK given my configuration: pastebin.com/A4F2QGiH which ip address is it failing to bind? |
| 17:18.04 | askhader | or am I to be creating a new subnet for the netboot process? |
| 17:19.01 | metalfan_ | what should i google/read to understand why lidrm needs a .symbols file that contains kernel related stuff? |
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| 17:19.34 | jhutchins_lt | askhader: Figure out what's using the port, like a running copy of dhcp. |
| 17:19.34 | metalfan_ | the symbols file is in the .deb source |
| 17:19.47 | jhutchins_lt | askhader: Helps to include http:// on your links, makes them clickable. |
| 17:19.57 | askhader | jhutchins_lt: The port is blocked, not the ip? |
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| 17:20.04 | askhader | jhutchins_lt: acknowledged |
| 17:20.14 | jhutchins_lt | askhader: dhcp port on specified address. |
| 17:20.18 | askhader | jhutchins_lt: Well i have a copy of dhclient running on the server, this is it. |
| 17:20.32 | jhutchins_lt | askhader: That's wierd, but shouldn't be a problem. |
| 17:20.45 | jhutchins_lt | Oh - on the WAN port. |
| 17:20.54 | jhutchins_lt | er, address. |
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| 17:21.09 | askhader | I beg your pardon? |
| 17:21.35 | jhutchins_lt | askhader: N'mind. Just confusing myself. |
| 17:21.42 | askhader | ah kay |
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| 17:22.48 | askhader | jhutchins_lt: So does the `option routers` option refer to the router which the host and server are connected? |
| 17:22.53 | askhader | ADDRESS O |
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| 17:22.55 | askhader | address of* |
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| 17:23.44 | jhutchins_lt | askhader: You want that set to the default gateway. |
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| 17:25.00 | jhutchins_lt | askhader: ...default gateway that the clients will use that is. |
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| 17:25.29 | koskoz | hi |
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| 17:25.38 | koskoz | is it possible to disable ssh for some users ? |
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| 17:26.07 | askhader | Well I have no clue why dhcpd3-server is failing. |
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| 17:27.08 | jhutchins_lt | askhader: ps ax | grep dhcp |
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| 17:28.31 | gebi | hi all :) |
| 17:28.37 | askhader | Think I haven't tried that? There's nothing but the grep itself and dhclient |
| 17:28.39 | askhader | jhutchins_lt: ^ |
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| 17:29.08 | jhutchins_lt | askhader: What's the link to your config? |
| 17:29.52 | askhader | jhutchins_lt: http://pastebin.com/A4F2QGiH |
| 17:29.54 | gebi | can anyone please help me with a bugreport? it's about #619857, the bug is marked as resolved but i explicitly marked it as `found` in the squeeze version of erlang, but why is the bug then marked as resolved if it is found in the squeeze version? |
| 17:30.09 | gebi | how do i mark this bug as NOT resolved (still present in squeeze)? |
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| 17:30.58 | jelly-home | gebi: if it's fixed in sid, that's expected behaviour. It only warrants fixing in stable if it causes serious trouble. |
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| 17:31.06 | koskoz | no one ? |
| 17:31.07 | koskoz | is it possible to disable ssh for some users ? |
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| 17:31.29 | dkr | koskoz: yes, man sshd_config |
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| 17:32.09 | gebi | jelly-home: it's a critical bug, tagged with security and justification 'causes serious data loss', is this serious trouble enough? |
| 17:32.14 | dkr | koskoz: look for DenyUsers |
| 17:32.40 | koskoz | ok, thanks |
| 17:32.59 | jhutchins_lt | askhader: Do you have any hp utilities running? |
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| 17:33.12 | askhader | jhutchins_lt: My gateway does, my server does not. |
| 17:33.23 | askhader | jhutchins_lt: Actually my gateway just has the relevant jet direct port open |
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| 17:35.14 | jhutchins_lt | askhader: /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart; tail /var/log/syslog |
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| 17:36.15 | gen0cide | Hello, im trying to compile Php 5.3.6 for debian, and when it gets to the snmp sanity check, it fails, what does this mean? |
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| 17:37.26 | gen0cide | "checking for SNMP support... yes" "checking OpenSSL dir for SNMP... /usr" "checking whether to enable UCD SNMP hack... no" "checking for snmp_parse_oid in -lnetsnmp... no" "checking for init_snmp in -lnetsnmp... no" "configure: error: SNMP sanity check failed. Please check config.log for more information." |
| 17:37.56 | askhader | jhutchins_lt: Same output as before but I've included a few extra lines I didn't think were relevant: http://pastebin.com/c3e0p5Th |
| 17:38.27 | jelly-home | gebi: well, since it's an intrusive change, it's going to require some coordination with the security team and convincing that squeeze would be better if the current binary packages were completely removed, and replaced by the new if possible. |
| 17:39.00 | gebi | jelly-home: yea it really wasn't a good idea to include a beta version of the erlang vm in squeeze :/ |
| 17:39.09 | babilen | gebi: Given that this bug is "critical" it should get fixed in Squeeze. Please read the complete bug report and you might want to ask on http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-erlang-devel and check the archives of that list |
| 17:39.30 | jelly-home | gebi: try poking the security team and the erlang team wrt the issue. |
| 17:39.48 | gebi | every erlang RxxA is beta and not recommend for production use |
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| 17:42.28 | babilen | gebi: It is stated in the bug report that "My fault. I should've left R13B05 instead." -- Please take it to the Erlang maintainers or the security team. I would be surprised if they were not working on this already. But as jelly-home says: This is quite an intrusive change that needs coordination. |
| 17:42.36 | jhutchins_lt | See what happens if you kill dhclient and then try to start the server. |
| 17:42.42 | DammitJim | wow... sshfs is awesome! |
| 17:42.57 | gebi | babilen: i'm in touch with the maintainer since a few months about this |
| 17:43.01 | gnarface | take that samba! |
| 17:43.26 | babilen | gebi: And? |
| 17:44.00 | gebi | "At least I didn't see these bugs myself." |
| 17:44.23 | jelly-home | that's silly |
| 17:44.34 | gebi | ejabberd e.g even discourages explicitly the use of R14A and R14B because of too many bugs |
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| 17:45.56 | gebi | too many grave bugs |
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| 17:46.35 | pozic | Programming is the process of inserting bugs. What else would you expect? |
| 17:46.51 | askhader | jhutchins_lt: Same problem, that accomplished nothing |
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| 17:46.58 | pozic | -- scientific fact |
| 17:47.10 | babilen | gebi: I don't know what we can do for you. Judging by the information I have it is a bug that should be fixed and given that it is a critical one a newer version should be uploaded to squeeze-security and be included in the next (6.0.2) point release. If you have the feeling that the maintainer is not able/willing to do that you'll have to speak to the security or QA team. |
| 17:47.29 | jelly-home | gebi: ignore any non-technical responses, concentrate on strictly tech issues as requests like these often convert to flamewars |
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| 17:47.55 | jelly-home | pozic: also, irrelevant for solving the particular issue |
| 17:48.02 | queuetip | i'm sooooooo excited for canterbury distro |
| 17:48.15 | jelly-home | queuetip: grml is my favorite livecd! |
| 17:48.18 | gebi | jelly-home: did i went personally without noticing in the bugreport? (sorry then) |
| 17:48.18 | queuetip | "simple as arch" |
| 17:48.18 | pozic | jelly-home: this was what human beings call a joke. |
| 17:48.54 | jelly-home | pozic: I resent the implication that IRC allows only humans, that's just racist |
| 17:49.03 | gebi | babilen: yea exactly what i've suggested (see last post of bugreport) |
| 17:49.21 | pozic | jelly-home: your logic is flawed. |
| 17:49.36 | babilen | gebi: What was the reaction of the maintainer? |
| 17:49.46 | pozic | Oh, God, more work! |
| 17:50.03 | gebi | last time he suggested backporting fixes from R14B02 into R14A |
| 17:50.07 | gebi | which is completly crazy |
| 17:50.20 | jhutchins_lt | askhader: I seem to remember a way to have it only listen on the LAN interface, not the WAN, but the manpage is pretty dense. |
| 17:50.27 | jhutchins_lt | askhader: Have you rebooted the system? |
| 17:50.36 | gebi | because R14Bxx IS the bugfix release there is no reason to backport only half of the fixes (imho) |
| 17:50.43 | gnarface | oh boy |
| 17:50.47 | askhader | jhutchins_lt: No, should I try? |
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| 17:50.55 | gnarface | pozic labels yet another person's logic flawed |
| 17:51.00 | pozic | gebi: the reason is that they are not receiving a ton of money. |
| 17:51.01 | jhutchins_lt | askhader: Kind of a "Hail Mary", but you could. |
| 17:51.05 | gnarface | is gonna start keeping score |
| 17:51.13 | askhader | hail mary full of grace, then |
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| 17:51.45 | gebi | pozic: exactly the reason why i wouldn't even think about doing the job of the erlang devolper team |
| 17:52.33 | pozic | gebi: erlang is not community software; it's a company which has certain goals (and probably has some higher priority bugs). |
| 17:52.59 | pozic | gebi: they do not have an open bug tracker, AFAIK. |
| 17:53.20 | gebi | pozic: it's NOT about a NEW fix but about an already released bugfix release from upstream |
| 17:53.32 | pozic | gebi: so, it is just stupid strategically to depend on it, if you (as a company) cannot survive without them. |
| 17:53.43 | gebi | please see above |
| 17:53.59 | gnarface | gasp |
| 17:54.03 | pozic | gebi: well, clearly you should be paying someone. |
| 17:54.05 | gnarface | pozic's logic is flawed! check and mate |
| 17:54.18 | pozic | gebi: or you do it yourself. |
| 17:54.30 | gebi | pozic: what do you think every erlang use currently has to do? |
| 17:54.35 | gebi | s/use/user/ |
| 17:54.46 | pozic | gebi: fix it for themselves/pay someone. |
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| 17:55.00 | Bushmills | or wait |
| 17:55.06 | gebi | fix it or use the precompiled binaries from erlang&consulting, yes |
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| 17:55.13 | babilen | gebi: I would suggest the following: Sent a mail to pkg-erlang *again* (your bugreport ended up there) -- explain the situation and provide a solution (i.e. upload newer version). You might also want to discuss this with the security and QA people (who drown in work) either on their mailing list or on debian-{security,qa} -- You *could* also try to discuss this in #debian-security |
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| 17:55.17 | gnarface | what is erlang anyway? isn't there alternatives? |
| 17:55.19 | askhader | jhutchins_lt: I'll be god damned, it work. |
| 17:55.49 | pozic | babilen: upload a new version. Cool, now with extra trojan horses by gebi. |
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| 17:55.51 | acu | I have a virtual machine - forgot the root and username password - is anyway to reset them ? |
| 17:56.09 | gebi | babilen: jelly-home: ok will do, thx :)! |
| 17:56.18 | babilen | gnarface: Erlang is a wonderful functional programming language which is particularly well suited to implement massively parallel applications. |
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| 17:56.47 | gnarface | acu: usually easy if you have control over the host system. the specifics vary depending on the type of virtual machine though - otherwise i recommend calling your hosting provider |
| 17:56.54 | babilen | pozic: I am *not* advocating an unchecked NMU by gebi -- please don't twist the words in my mouth. |
| 17:57.01 | askhader | jhutchins_lt: So I believe I need a bootp server now, yes? |
| 17:57.11 | jhutchins_lt | askhader: Yup. |
| 17:57.11 | acu | gnarface - is my host system - I have full access to it |
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| 17:57.15 | pozic | babilen: ok, that was just how it sounded. My bad. |
| 17:57.26 | acu | I run kvm |
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| 17:57.54 | gnarface | acu: unfortunately i don't know kvm though i should... can't you just chroot into the guest system's directory and run passwd? |
| 17:58.06 | askhader | jhutchins_lt: Does dhcpd3 not include this? |
| 17:58.07 | babilen | gebi: It might also be a good idea to provide some real data (in particular from upstream) and the number/kind of fixes. I have not been involved in the development *of* Erlang and can't really comment on it. |
| 17:58.28 | jhutchins_lt | askhader: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Remote-Boot.html |
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| 17:58.43 | gebi | babilen: i even added all upstream bug-numbers to my bugreport, for every item included in the bug |
| 17:58.57 | jhutchins_lt | askhader: No, dhcp is network configuration only. |
| 17:59.11 | jhutchins_lt | askhader: You may want to add options for a dns server and/or other services. |
| 17:59.17 | Big_Aziz | ]hi people |
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| 18:00.13 | gebi | babilen: is there anything other i could provide to help resolving this? |
| 18:00.16 | babilen | gebi: Yes, great. I think i can't think of anything else you could do right now. Good luck and lets hope that the best *technical* solution will be implemented. |
| 18:00.55 | gnarface | well there's an emacs major mode for erlang |
| 18:00.56 | gnarface | i'm sold |
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| 18:01.18 | gebi | *gg* |
| 18:01.29 | babilen | gebi: The best that could happen is that the maintainer(s) start to work on this. Talk to them and involve other (if there is absolutely no other way) people if this issue is not addressed. |
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| 18:02.35 | babilen | gnarface: It's worth learning Erlang -- Check http://learnyousomeerlang.com/ -- and it would be a pity if Debian is not a good platform for development with it. |
| 18:02.44 | gebi | yea ok i'll give sergei a bit of time and test his newly uploaded R14B02 on lenny and squeeze |
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| 18:03.00 | gnarface | haha the website makes me laugh and laugh |
| 18:03.13 | gnarface | i'll have to file this one away for the next time bash seems to come up short |
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| 18:03.28 | gnarface | my purposes tend to be pretty basic though |
| 18:03.28 | niglatte | aptitude install toast |
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| 18:03.43 | babilen | gnarface: http://learnyouahaskell.com/chapters </off-topic> |
| 18:03.51 | gebi | babilen: the real cool thing about the erlang vm is that you can even install erlang from experimental on lenny without problems *g* |
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| 18:04.38 | babilen | Ok, enough Erlang off-topic talk. Good luck gebi, may the best technical solution be found soon! |
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| 18:04.52 | gebi | kk, thx :) |
| 18:05.00 | Sedrick | died |
| 18:05.28 | gnarface | gebi: fwiw if this is a commercial endeavor, i suggest you try bribery. most open source projects have surly, irrational, uncooperative anarchists working for them until you flash some cash |
| 18:05.59 | gnarface | short of that - take the product as is and try to be greatful |
| 18:06.56 | gebi | gnarface: please, read my bugreport #619857 and the come back and tell me that the current situation can be left as is for debian |
| 18:07.27 | gnarface | gebi: ok hangon but fwiw i also don't know shit about erlang |
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| 18:07.54 | gebi | as normal user i'd hang the maintainer if i know that he intentionally left a grave silent data-corruption bug in place and i've now multiple GB of useless encrypted data |
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| 18:08.29 | mattylux | buona sera |
| 18:08.33 | gebi | but yea i'll poke him and offer him my help to get this into squeeze |
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| 18:11.22 | TheRealOne | guys is this Canterbury Distro a hoax for the 1st of April? |
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| 18:11.37 | askhader | TheRealOne: Could have fooled me. |
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| 18:11.46 | TheRealOne | is it real? |
| 18:12.03 | TheRealOne | gentoo.org shows it as well? |
| 18:12.18 | jhutchins_lt | All the distros participating show it. |
| 18:12.18 | gnarface | hopes to hell its a joke |
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| 18:12.53 | TheRealOne | no they were all hacked |
| 18:12.59 | gnarface | haha |
| 18:13.07 | gnarface | slashdot is hillarious too |
| 18:13.14 | gnarface | as usual thinkgeek just makes me sad |
| 18:13.30 | gnarface | wants a desktop minecraft nether portal to replace his paper shredder |
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| 18:22.32 | gen0cide | Is there a php5.3.6 deb for lenny? |
| 18:22.38 | gnarface | FUCK NO |
| 18:23.02 | gen0cide | ya i cant find it either |
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| 18:23.30 | xaocon | gmail motion is so awesome |
| 18:23.33 | xaocon | ! |
| 18:24.01 | gnarface | there is one in sid, but i'd recommend two things personally: 1) upgrade your lenny system to squeeze... the sooner the better then 2) settle with squeeze's 5.3.3 - less 0day bugs ftw |
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| 18:24.41 | gnarface | php's fresh sources tend to have a lot of regressions |
| 18:24.51 | gnarface | the cutting edge will cut you |
| 18:24.54 | xaocon | and if you find you just have to have it then you should probably pin it |
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| 18:25.52 | gnarface | there were some majorly annoying changes to DateTime between like 5.2 something and the 5.3 stuff but i haven't noticed anything *i'm* using that changed that much |
| 18:25.58 | gen0cide | I compiled php 5.3.6 from source after getting all the dependencys, but when i do "php -v" it still says php 5.2.6 |
| 18:26.14 | gnarface | its probably still first in your path |
| 18:26.28 | gen0cide | How could i change that |
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| 18:26.43 | gnarface | change the order of the directories in $PATH but keep in mind its a user-specific thing |
| 18:26.58 | kian | hello, i've installed apache2-dbg, libapr1-dbg, libaprutil1-dbg, gdb, and php5-dbg. i'm able to get backtraces from apache when it crashes, but they don't name functions. any ideas? |
| 18:27.03 | itsPhilip | there is a way to check the write speed of a hdd by creating test data, how knows the command? |
| 18:27.16 | gnarface | gen0cide: also keep in mind that in debian, php cli is different from the mod_php and different from the php-cgi stuff -- they even have separate php.ini files |
| 18:27.57 | kian | itsPhilip: 'dd' is probably what youre looking for, theres also hdparm |
| 18:28.08 | itsPhilip | kian, dd was it thank you! |
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| 18:28.38 | snow_man | dd is incredibly powerful/useful |
| 18:29.12 | dr_traktor | Can you give me any ideas why am I not allowed to use screen with a simple user account? I get 'Cannot open /dev/ttyp1: Permission denied' |
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| 18:29.37 | justin | itsPhilip: dd only tests sequention IO, you probably want dbench, bonnie, or stressapptest |
| 18:30.13 | itsPhilip | justin: I wanted to check if my ramdisk works correctly and it does work correctly :-D |
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| 18:31.43 | xaocon | dr_traktor: i've never had that problem. are you trying to do it as root? |
| 18:31.44 | gen0cide | gnarface: How can i change the Path vatriable |
| 18:31.56 | dr_traktor | xaocon: No I can't do this as a simple user. |
| 18:32.02 | dr_traktor | xaocon: As root I can use screen. |
| 18:32.07 | gen0cide | phpinfo() is still telling me its 5.2.6 on the site |
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| 18:32.26 | dr_traktor | xaocon: Is screen something that is only intended to be used by root? |
| 18:32.37 | xaocon | gen0cide: export PATH="/path/you/want/here:/another/path/you/want" |
| 18:32.51 | gnarface | gen0cide: phpinfo() will not be subject to your path. you might want to consider uninstalling the old php packages |
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| 18:33.04 | xaocon | dr_traktor: no but i thought it might have something to do with /etc/securetty |
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| 18:33.52 | xaocon | dr_traktor: what groups does your user belong to? |
| 18:33.56 | dr_traktor | xaocon: Ive searched the net for the solution. Ive been coming back for about a week now with it. Looks like tits a mistery. |
| 18:34.17 | dr_traktor | xaocon: Its own. user:user |
| 18:34.40 | gen0cide | gnarface: i did a apt-get remove php5 php5-cli php-pear |
| 18:34.49 | jhutchins_lt | dr_traktor: Have you messed with device permissions? |
| 18:34.53 | gen0cide | so i restarted apache2 , and it still says its php 5.2.6 |
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| 18:35.07 | jhutchins_lt | dr_traktor: This is not a normal situation. |
| 18:35.08 | dr_traktor | jhutchins_lt: After I couldn't use it for the first time, yes I did. |
| 18:35.22 | dr_traktor | jhutchins_lt: Tried to revert it then. |
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| 18:35.26 | jhutchins_lt | dr_traktor: Reinstall screen? |
| 18:35.36 | dr_traktor | jhutchins_lt: I'll do that now. |
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| 18:36.04 | jhutchins_lt | dr_traktor: Make sure you purge it. ttyp0 is not normal. |
| 18:36.09 | gnarface | gen0cide: dpkg -l |grep php |
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| 18:37.50 | gen0cide | gnarface: http://pastebin.com/i0pvbQE2 |
| 18:37.56 | dr_traktor | jhutchins_lt: Reinstall didn't help. Now I cant use screen even with the user I could use before. |
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| 18:38.23 | jhutchins_lt | dr_traktor: screen -ls |
| 18:38.37 | dr_traktor | No Sockets found in /var/run/screen/S-user |
| 18:38.52 | gnarface | gen0cide: well personally i'd recommend you dpkg --purge every one of those, and recompile your php package with --prefix to /usr and probably some other changes to more closely match debian filesystem conventions (put man pages in the right places, etc) |
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| 18:39.23 | jhutchins_lt | dr_traktor: Are you running a VM? |
| 18:39.36 | dr_traktor | jhutchins_lt: Yes, I should have mentioned it. |
| 18:39.51 | dr_traktor | jhutchins_lt: The debian system is on a VM. |
| 18:40.08 | erAbuelo | buenas tardes |
| 18:40.27 | Leoneof | it is possible to resizing and extending the partition without missing files? |
| 18:40.34 | dr_traktor | jhutchins_lt: What I can do is mess with permissions changing ownership and mod of ttys. But that is just ugly, it shouldn't be done that way. |
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| 18:41.03 | xaocon | dr_traktor: did you purge and then install or did you reinstall? |
| 18:41.08 | dr_traktor | jhutchins_lt: I change the ownership of one tty to user:user than that user can use that. But it's not sure screen will try to use that, sometimes it chooses some other tty. |
| 18:41.11 | gnarface | Leoneof: possible, yes totally as long as you don't make it smaller than what's on there or larger than the space between it and the next partition on the disk - hazard prone however |
| 18:41.15 | jhutchins_lt | dr_traktor: I don't know, I know I haven't had any trouble running screen on five different distributions and many different versions, but I haven't done it on a VM. |
| 18:41.17 | dr_traktor | xaocon: I purged it. |
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| 18:41.30 | jhutchins_lt | dr_traktor: What group is it by default? |
| 18:41.45 | dr_traktor | jhutchins_lt: root |
| 18:41.48 | peleg | Do you know of some script that retrieves free updated data about currency exchange rates from somewhere? |
| 18:41.51 | jhutchins_lt | root:root?\ |
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| 18:41.58 | gen0cide | Is there just a repo for php 5.3.6 ? |
| 18:42.04 | gen0cide | i dont want to break anything heh |
| 18:42.13 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions php5 |
| 18:42.15 | judd | Package php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny10; squeeze: 5.3.3-7; wheezy: 5.3.3-7; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze1; sid: 5.3.6-4; sid: 5.3.6-5; sid: 5.3.6-6 |
| 18:42.31 | dr_traktor | jhutchins_lt: some of them root:tty some of them root:root |
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| 18:42.41 | Leoneof | gnarface: ah great, which software to do that? |
| 18:42.44 | jhutchins_lt | dr_traktor: Add user to group tty |
| 18:42.55 | xaocon | lol |
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| 18:43.24 | gen0cide | When I "apt-get install php", it installs php5.2.6 |
| 18:43.55 | jhutchins_lt | gen0cide: Upgrade to squeeze? |
| 18:44.16 | dr_traktor | jhutchins_lt: Same error message. |
| 18:44.22 | jhutchins_lt | gen0cide: php apps should be good with any 5.3.x |
| 18:44.38 | jhutchins_lt | dr_traktor: Got to log out and log back in to pick up the new group. |
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| 18:45.00 | gen0cide | If i upgrade to squeeze , will it erase my mysql db and everythuing? |
| 18:45.14 | dr_traktor | jhutchins_lt: Did that, same thing. |
| 18:45.22 | gnarface | Leoneof: gparted is very popular, but i would strongly recommend reading some howto's on the process for your specific filesystem though. some (all?) of them tend to be prone to data loss if you don't first fsck them/move all the data to the beginning of the partition before shrinking it. plus if you're expanding a partition on a disk that doesn't have unpartitioned areas adjacent, you got to learn to move them too. there are |
| 18:45.22 | gnarface | a lot of opportunities to hose your shit. i *highly* recommend a full backup first |
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| 18:46.10 | gnarface | Leoneof: i've heard by the way that the need to do this regularly is a popular reason to use LVM in the future - but i don't really know LVM myself |
| 18:48.42 | gen0cide | Ok im going to upgrade to squeeze from lenny, going to backup /var/www |
| 18:49.17 | babilen | !tell gen0cide -about release notes |
| 18:49.43 | gnarface | gen0cide: i'd recomend backing up /etc and /home too, at the very least. probably some other stuff as well if you have database or mail on there |
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| 18:50.17 | babilen | gen0cide: You are well advised to create a more complete backup and to follow the release notes during the upgrade. |
| 18:50.39 | root_ | jhutchins_lt: ? |
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| 18:52.55 | jesaispas | hi all |
| 18:54.20 | mariuskarthaus | Hi, I want to let someone view my console session over the internet, so he can see what I'm doing, without giving him a login on the server (at least not a shell anyway) . How can I do that (debian server, no X etc) |
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| 18:55.53 | justin | mariuskarthaus: linuxvnc? |
| 18:55.55 | mariuskarthaus | Usually we just connect to the same screen after loggin in. But This guy I don't know (some helpdesk kid) but he needs to see the screen output |
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| 18:56.01 | dr_traktor | jhutchins_lt: If I chown ttyp* to root:root and chmod to 666 then I can use screen all right, and one of the ttyps get changed to tbur:tty |
| 18:56.54 | Zitter | my compliments for canterbury distro :D |
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| 18:57.29 | IceW | is away: Out. |
| 18:57.29 | jhutchins_lt | dr_traktor: I don't know if that's something you could fix in udev or in inittab or not. |
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| 18:57.58 | mariuskarthaus | justin: VNC needs X I do not want to bloat this server |
| 18:58.06 | dr_traktor | jhutchins_lt: Don't think so because it wokrs once, than that ttyp is set to that user and other users wont be able to use it. And using screen will try to use that same tty that was allocated to the previous user. |
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| 18:58.12 | dr_traktor | jhutchins_lt: Its messed up. |
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| 18:59.43 | jhutchins_lt | dr_traktor: It will be interesting to see if anyone can reproduce this. What VM environment are you in? |
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| 19:00.51 | dr_traktor | jhutchins_lt: This same problem is posted a couple of times on the net not one answer though. |
| 19:01.03 | dr_traktor | jhutchins_lt: I don't know. It's the shitty one I heard. |
| 19:01.07 | dr_traktor | But I forgot. |
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| 19:01.31 | jhutchins_lt | dr_traktor: Somebody else's machine? |
| 19:01.45 | dr_traktor | jhutchins_lt: VPS |
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| 19:02.32 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: wouldn't it be easier to just use like tee and netcat or something and just have the viewer connect via telnet? i can't see anything secure about this anyway |
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| 19:05.33 | justin | mariuskarthaus: try actually reading the package description |
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| 19:07.14 | gen0cide | which kernel should i use for squeeze |
| 19:07.17 | gen0cide | whats the newest |
| 19:07.40 | gnarface | seems like that's something it should tell you, no? |
| 19:07.41 | gen0cide | linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 isnt available |
| 19:07.46 | justin | gen0cide: linux-image-686 |
| 19:08.09 | gen0cide | thanks |
| 19:08.21 | gen0cide | It gave me somethign even newer |
| 19:08.56 | gen0cide | 2.6.32 |
| 19:09.37 | Leoneof | gnarface: thanks :) |
| 19:09.56 | gnarface | Leoneof: no problem. be fucking careful with that thing! |
| 19:10.08 | gnarface | its dangerous |
| 19:11.01 | Leoneof | gnarface: indeed, just back up, then messing them. |
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| 19:14.58 | mariuskarthaus | justin: ah yes, sometimes google is not your friend. a google for linuxvnc did not turn up what I needed on the first 3 pages so I assumed that you were referring the X approach |
| 19:15.02 | mariuskarthaus | sorry |
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| 19:15.41 | gnarface | checks apt cache |
| 19:15.49 | gnarface | oh look, a vnc for tty's. that's neat! |
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| 19:17.59 | askhader | Hello I am getting PXE-T02: Forbidden Directory and PXE-E3C: TFTP Error - Access Violation when I attempt to netboot install. The folder in question has been chmodded 777 - what else do I need? |
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| 19:19.00 | justin | askhader: for one, don't chmod 777 things |
| 19:19.06 | askhader | justin: this is ftp |
| 19:19.11 | askhader | Well |
| 19:19.13 | askhader | Fair enough |
| 19:19.20 | justin | what folder is this? |
| 19:19.20 | askhader | World readable will suffice, but I don't think that's the problem? |
| 19:19.30 | askhader | A folder at my directory root |
| 19:19.33 | askhader | filesystem root* |
| 19:19.44 | justin | what folder? |
| 19:19.51 | askhader | A made up one |
| 19:19.55 | justin | called? |
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| 19:19.58 | gnarface | since you're doing pxe one would assume the issue is anywhere other than the filesystem |
| 19:20.00 | askhader | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.13 | askhader | gnarface: Why would one assume that? |
| 19:20.24 | gnarface | well i would assume that. |
| 19:20.38 | gnarface | also in my experience chmod 777 never actually fixed anything |
| 19:20.43 | gnarface | but mabye its just my narrow experience |
| 19:20.49 | justin | askhader: that is the directory where the pxe files are stored, you have other files yes? |
| 19:20.57 | askhader | justin: Yes. |
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| 19:21.17 | justin | askhader: and what are those called? |
| 19:21.51 | askhader | justin: Since I am using the debian installer and the official debian documentation, I downloaded netboot.tar.gz from a mirror, untarred it in that directory and the pxe folders automatically link to the installer, which is a few folders deeper |
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| 19:22.01 | askhader | So, it's deeper in the same folder. |
| 19:22.27 | justin | askhader: good. so if you run tftp localhost, and do a 'get pxelinux.0' what happens? |
| 19:22.56 | askhader | justin: I don't have the tftp client, give me a moment |
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| 19:23.52 | mohamed-ragab | hi all i have vps and i install debian 6 , i want to install all soft to make web host |
| 19:23.59 | askhader | justin: Only absolute filenames allowed |
| 19:24.09 | mariuskarthaus | justin: thank you |
| 19:24.11 | mohamed-ragab | whan soft can install in it ? |
| 19:24.18 | askhader | Error code 2 |
| 19:24.29 | justin | askhader: get /pxelinux.0 ? |
| 19:24.41 | gnarface | mohamed-ragab: this is the first time you've set up a webserver isn't it? |
| 19:24.54 | askhader | justin: Error code 2: Forbidden directory |
| 19:25.03 | jelly-home | mohamed-ragab: /msg dpkg lamp |
| 19:25.06 | justin | askhader: what tftp server are you using? |
| 19:25.12 | askhader | tftpd-hpa |
| 19:25.41 | justin | what did you do to the configuration? |
| 19:25.53 | askhader | Yes, else it would fail elsewhere |
| 19:25.57 | mohamed-ragab | gnarface, yes |
| 19:26.00 | askhader | Oh |
| 19:26.01 | askhader | What did I do |
| 19:26.03 | askhader | Let me show you |
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| 19:26.15 | gnarface | !tell mohamed-ragab about lamp |
| 19:26.21 | justin | what does your /etc/default/tftpd-hpa have? |
| 19:26.48 | askhader | justin: This is what I'm getting, a moment. |
| 19:26.49 | gnarface | mohamed-ragab: the dpkg bot should have just send you a relevant message. good luck! |
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| 19:27.12 | askhader | justin: http://pastebin.com/cAbSRkt0 |
| 19:27.16 | mohamed-ragab | gnarface, thanks |
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| 19:27.40 | askhader | justin: Is it the TFTP_DIRECTORY option that is causing issues? |
| 19:27.46 | justin | askhader: yeah, that doesn't look right |
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| 19:27.53 | justin | askhader: what did it look like before you changed it? |
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| 19:28.27 | justin | askhader: clearly I think the default location for files is /srv/tftp |
| 19:28.34 | askhader | justin: http://pastebin.com/q3NCnRz9 |
| 19:29.06 | askhader | Okay I will attempt tweaking accordingly |
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| 19:29.24 | justin | askhader: yeah, you incorrectly followed old instructions |
| 19:29.39 | askhader | justin: Nah, copied and pasted really. |
| 19:29.57 | justin | askhader: then why do you have a -1 as an option? |
| 19:30.14 | justin | askhader: put it back to the original file, mv /pxedebian/* /srv/tftp |
| 19:30.18 | justin | then you should be good to go |
| 19:30.21 | askhader | Why is water wet? Why did Judas rat to the romans while jesus slept? |
| 19:30.25 | askhader | Thanks. |
| 19:30.47 | justin | tftpd has a -l option, not a -1 option (unless it changed in squeeze, but I don't think it did) |
| 19:31.50 | askhader | ah |
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| 19:32.10 | gnarface | askhader: offtopic but 1) because of the unique chemical structure of water. its also relatively rare in that its one of the few materials that actually gets LARGER in volume when you freeze it 2) probably because jesus asked him to. the world will never know but fyi judas hanged himself after being paid 30 pieces of silver for the betrayal |
| 19:32.10 | justin | but anyway, the default should work fine |
| 19:32.52 | askhader | Fair enough. |
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| 19:32.58 | askhader | gnarface: I disagree, but yeah, this is offtopic. |
| 19:33.05 | psyop | does anyone know if its possible to change the server tag in irssi? |
| 19:33.55 | mohamed-ragab | why uncomment the following line " extension=mysql.so " ? |
| 19:34.10 | mohamed-ragab | in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 19:34.59 | gnarface | askhader: the problem is that of the dozen or so gospels that were written, only 4 were allowed into the bible by the catholic church, and probably ALL of them were not written till at least 130 or so years after jesus died. so what we have now were not first hand accounts in any sense. |
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| 19:35.12 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Not the place for that. |
| 19:35.43 | gnarface | askhader: to quote a wise man (John Lennon i think) jesus was a hip guy but his deciples were thick and ordinary |
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| 19:36.07 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: i know i'm sorry. but he started it |
| 19:36.15 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Doesn't matter. |
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| 19:39.15 | derick_ | does this looks ok? http://fpaste.org/AW3g/ |
| 19:39.25 | derick_ | http://fpaste.org/GQI5/ |
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| 19:39.35 | mohamed-ragab | any channel in debian in arabic |
| 19:39.36 | askhader | gnarface: Interesting |
| 19:39.38 | mohamed-ragab | ? |
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| 19:40.12 | jhutchins_lt | !ar |
| 19:40.12 | dpkg | i heard ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina, or #debian-ar on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 19:43.24 | root_ | [Amarok] [title: The Magic Number] [artist: De La Soul] [album: 3 Feet High And Rising] |
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| 19:44.49 | sshslackerd | is it possible to remember my ssh passphrase through a reboot? i don't want to use a passphrase-less key, but if my ssh-agent dies, i need to reload the passphrase somehow |
| 19:45.52 | jhutchins_lt | sshslackerd: If it's permanently stored it might as well be blank. |
| 19:45.59 | askhader | justin: Now I'm getting a file not found on my client but `get pxelinux.0` returns successfully. This leads me to believe that either bootptab or dhcp3-server is configured incorrectly. I've combed through but can find no discrepancies: http://pastebin.com/Z50cQcQ4 |
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| 19:47.35 | sshslackerd | jhutchins_lt: not really....i mean, mostly, but several people have access to this box so it'd at least prevent the key being compromised should someone accidentally transmit the key off the host |
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| 19:47.55 | sshslackerd | moreover, there could conceivably be a way of which i'm unaware to store it encrypted on the box |
| 19:48.00 | sshslackerd | which is what i'm hoping/looking for |
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| 19:48.38 | pozic | How can I test printing to an envelop? |
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| 19:48.55 | pozic | Is there an application which outputs envelop format documents? |
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| 19:49.39 | Texou | hi |
| 19:49.46 | Texou | I've a strange thing: sending a bug to evolution I get a number: 9999999 (and I tried twice, twice the same number). A problem? April fish? or bug of reportbug. As smtphost I use reportbug.debian.org |
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| 19:50.50 | justin | dpkg: info glabels |
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| 19:51.29 | dpkg | glabels: (label, business card and media cover creation program for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.2.8-1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 367 kB, Installed size: 1068 kB |
| 19:51.33 | askhader | For anybody that cares to take a gander. At first I was getting a permission error when I tried to use tftp on localhost to pull the netboot image for a debian install, my sun machine booting the image was also producing the same error. After fixing some configs I can pull it from localhost but the sun machine produces 'PXE-E3b TFTP Error - File not found'. Here is my dhcp3-server, tftpd and bootpd configurations. http://pastebin.com/cAbSRkt |
| 19:52.20 | fbs | why is samba server part of the default debian utilities? |
| 19:52.26 | justin | fbs: it's not |
| 19:52.29 | fbs | hmm |
| 19:52.34 | fbs | i did base+laptop |
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| 19:52.41 | fbs | it should be in one of them |
| 19:52.44 | ectospasm | I'm having some trouble with my HP OfficeJet printer. It's connected directly to my Ubuntu machine via USB, and it works OK there. My Debian netbook automatically found the printer through mDNS, but it doesn't work. I can add the printer manually, but I can't delete the mDNS-added printer, and printing to either still doesn't work. I want to start from scratch, how do I remove the mDNS printer? |
| 19:52.46 | ectospasm | When I click on the link for it in the CUPS admin page via my browser, the browser can't find the server. |
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| 19:52.49 | justin | askhader: invalid paste id? |
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| 19:53.08 | ectospasm | system-config-printers also doen't allow me to remove the mDNS printer |
| 19:53.18 | ectospasm | s/doen/doesn/ |
| 19:53.20 | askhader | justin: http://pastebin.com/cAbSRkt0 resolved for me. |
| 19:53.22 | justin | fbs: maybe gnome file sharing or something pulls it in? try aptitude why samba ? |
| 19:54.25 | justin | askhader: run tcpdump -n port 69 while the sun requests the file, |
| 19:54.25 | fbs | justin: is during the installation of debian wheezy, it shouldnt install gnome stuf |
| 19:55.15 | jelly-home | fbs: wheezy installer won't be finished for a year or two. |
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| 19:55.21 | fbs | yeah true |
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| 19:57.38 | dr_traktor | Im the member of the tty group yet I cant write the tty which has w permissions for group. What can be the cause? |
| 19:58.19 | askhader | justin: Before I attempt that I changed my dhcpdserver configuration fronm filename "/srv/tftp/pxelinux.0" to just filename "/pxelinux.0" now the sun is prior to the TFTP stage and seems to be hanging on something or loading. Num-lock still responds. |
| 19:58.25 | askhader | This is usally when the error would be produced. |
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| 19:58.45 | askhader | justin: Does that change make a difference or should I revert and go ahead with the port test? |
| 19:59.03 | justin | askhader: running tcpdump will always help, you can see if it is downloading the file |
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| 19:59.30 | justin | you may even just want to do 'tcpdump -n 'host ip.of.sun.box' |
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| 20:00.53 | askhader | justin: Weird I get tcpdump: USB Link-layer type filtering not implemented |
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| 20:01.21 | yagoo | askhader, try using tcpdump -I for interface |
| 20:01.33 | fbs | justin: it looks like laptop install bluetooth and bluetooth recommands smb client, which depends on samba-common :) |
| 20:02.19 | yagoo | !spell recommends |
| 20:02.20 | dpkg | 'recommends' may be spelled correctly |
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| 20:02.42 | fbs | :P |
| 20:03.06 | askhader | yagoo: tcpdump: usbmon1: That decide doesn't support monitor mode |
| 20:03.14 | askhader | Which is a really strange message |
| 20:03.20 | askhader | No action on the sun machine yet |
| 20:03.38 | justin | fbs: samba-common is not samba |
| 20:03.45 | yagoo | askhader, dunno what tcpdump source code looks like.. |
| 20:03.52 | askhader | Nor do I? |
| 20:03.57 | yagoo | askhader, did u try another usb port for the hell of it? |
| 20:04.06 | askhader | This isn't a usb port I'm trying to tcpdump. |
| 20:04.09 | yagoo | askhader, is this like a dub-e100 ? |
| 20:04.13 | yagoo | oh |
| 20:04.22 | askhader | I don't know why it's inferring that |
| 20:04.29 | justin | askhader: specify -i eth0 |
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| 20:04.42 | fbs | justin: afaik the samba-common-bin contains the server & client |
| 20:04.46 | yagoo | i told him to try an -I/i? option.. |
| 20:04.54 | askhader | Told me -I |
| 20:04.56 | askhader | -i works |
| 20:05.22 | justin | fbs: nope |
| 20:05.29 | fbs | hmm |
| 20:05.31 | ectospasm | Anyone know how to remove a printer added through mDNS? http://localhost:631/admin shows the printer, but I can't delete it there (nor in system-conig-printer) |
| 20:05.32 | askhader | It's listening, nothing on the ftp port nor when stipulating the sun's address |
| 20:05.36 | yagoo | fbs, do u mean smb client is suggested? you are not forced to install these packages if you're not going to be needing smb related things for the bluetooth things |
| 20:05.49 | fbs | yeah |
| 20:05.55 | justin | fbs: since the server is not common between the client and the server, the server is not in the 'common' package |
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| 20:06.22 | DrVodka | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:07.12 | yagoo | DrVodka, probably in apt.conf in /etc/apt .. i hope i got this filename correct.. |
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| 20:07.31 | yagoo | DrVodka, you'd look at autoclean or clean setting related names |
| 20:07.40 | justin | /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic maybe |
| 20:07.51 | yagoo | DrVodka, it may not be commented out but it should be in the manpage |
| 20:07.54 | yagoo | !autoclean |
| 20:08.32 | DrVodka | hmm, i have like "APT::Periodic::AutocleanInterval "0";" |
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| 20:09.12 | askhader | justin: Restarting the sun, and I'm watching the sun's ip with tcpdump. "33 RRq "/pxeliux.0" octet blksize 1456 |
| 20:09.13 | DrVodka | it only started happening since i upgraded to kde 4, so i think it's kde4s program that checks for updates, also purges cache |
| 20:09.34 | justin | askhader: pxeliux? |
| 20:09.39 | askhader | pxelinux, that's a typo |
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| 20:09.52 | justin | askhader: do you get a huge stream of packets after that? |
| 20:10.08 | askhader | Everything since the computer booted until now is less than 20 lines |
| 20:10.18 | justin | ah, so it's not getting the file |
| 20:10.18 | askhader | Which the last 3 lines being Request who-has's |
| 20:10.21 | yagoo | DrVodka, dunno maybe packagekit is doing something? |
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| 20:10.30 | justin | if you do a "get /pxelinux.0" yourself, it works right? |
| 20:10.37 | askhader | Well |
| 20:10.47 | askhader | That worked before I changed the dhcp-server stuff, let me try again |
| 20:10.49 | DrVodka | yagoo, i don't have packagekit installed |
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| 20:11.11 | ragnar76 | hi folks. got some probs with the gnome-display-properties. i have 2 monitors, 1 is connected via hdmi and 1 via vga. now, wen i try to set the up i get this error: ERROR:gnome-rr-config.c:607:gnome_rr_config_new_current: assertion failed: (gnome_rr_config_match (config, config)). What does it mean? |
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| 20:11.37 | askhader | justin: Yes, it works |
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| 20:12.20 | justin | askhader: you using any iptables rules? |
| 20:12.24 | askhader | No |
| 20:12.25 | vanguard | how can I put a program icon into .deb package? |
| 20:12.26 | yagoo | ragnar76, did u setup using hdmi and vga strings in the xorg conf file? |
| 20:12.49 | justin | askhader: strange |
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| 20:12.53 | askhader | pxelinux.0 is small and I see two UDP packets length 10 and 17 being snet after the file is requested. |
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| 20:13.07 | askhader | Perhaps there is a problem with pulling the rest or something? |
| 20:13.10 | askhader | bleh |
| 20:13.17 | askhader | I'll get all the output just in case |
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| 20:13.45 | askhader | http://pastebin.com/NF2kZqhC |
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| 20:14.34 | justin | yeah, that doesn't look right |
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| 20:14.53 | justin | those other packets aren't to port 69 and are probably from something else |
| 20:15.06 | askhader | Okay, but then why isn't the PXE client failing? |
| 20:15.14 | jhutchins_lt | askhader: http://pastebin.com/5L5EFaxn |
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| 20:15.25 | DammitJim | what can I type on the command line to see if an application is "hung" |
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| 20:15.28 | jhutchins_lt | askhader: Working conf. |
| 20:15.47 | askhader | jhutchins_lt: What makes you think I have a broken dhcp configuration? |
| 20:15.49 | jhutchins_lt | DammitJim: ps ax | grep app? |
| 20:15.59 | askhader | dchp resolves just fine |
| 20:16.01 | jhutchins_lt | askhader: That's the most complex part of the PXE setup. |
| 20:16.12 | justin | askhader: oh wait, scratch that, tftp uses random ports |
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| 20:16.22 | DammitJim | jhujhiti, what is SNs and SNLl ? |
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| 20:16.33 | justin | but you should see outgoing packets of length 516 or so |
| 20:17.02 | askhader | There's none of that. |
| 20:17.24 | yagoo | askhader, http://www.speedguide.net/port.php?port=41827&print=friendly |
| 20:17.41 | justin | yagoo: not helpful |
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| 20:18.02 | yagoo | port 41827.. what is it? |
| 20:18.07 | yagoo | ok |
| 20:18.25 | jhutchins_lt | DammitJim: Huh? |
| 20:18.26 | gnarface | i dunno that's like... unreal tournament or something:? |
| 20:18.34 | DammitJim | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.42 | DammitJim | 2504 ? SNLl 41:28 /usr/lib/xbmc/xbmc.bin |
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| 20:18.50 | DammitJim | what on there tells me the application is "hung?" |
| 20:18.56 | askhader | Looking at jhutchins_lt's config makes me think that I need the absolute path to the pxelinux.0 file, will re-attempt this and look at the tcpdum output to see if it's any more useful |
| 20:18.59 | jhutchins_lt | There's an error in that conf somewhere, probably a missing semicolon, because it complains that the hosts are golobal and should be in a subnet. |
| 20:19.02 | DammitJim | xbmc is just spinning saying "working" |
| 20:19.15 | justin | askhader: that's why I asked if it worked from another client |
| 20:19.23 | askhader | From localhost it does |
| 20:19.24 | jhutchins_lt | DammitJim: Ah, explanation is in man ps |
| 20:19.25 | askhader | I can't explain it |
| 20:19.30 | justin | askhader: you most definitely do not want the absolute path |
| 20:19.36 | askhader | >.< |
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| 20:20.02 | justin | try removing the / from the dhcp config, that's all I can think of |
| 20:20.10 | askhader | lol |
| 20:20.12 | askhader | Okay |
| 20:20.16 | askhader | By the way your help has been appreciated. |
| 20:20.19 | justin | you'd have to compare tcpdump output from your client and the sun to make sure they are requesting the same thing |
| 20:20.29 | askhader | I guess that's a good place to start |
| 20:20.45 | jhutchins_lt | askhader: Note option root-path vs. filename |
| 20:21.02 | justin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.05 | justin | is all I've ever used |
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| 20:21.19 | justin | but it's been a while since I netbooted a sun |
| 20:21.46 | jhutchins_lt | askhader: The actual file is at /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 |
| 20:21.54 | gnarface | i got a sun and two sgi boxes i never booted. i just use them as a doorstop |
| 20:22.04 | askhader | gnarface: If I had money. |
| 20:22.07 | justin | I have 2 suns and an sgi :-) |
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| 20:23.10 | askhader | I've removed the leading slash, now it hangs again. |
| 20:23.11 | jhutchins_lt | askhader: The root of the path to the pxe file comes from /etc/default/tftp-hpa: OPTIONS="-l -s /var/lib/tftpboot" |
| 20:23.32 | justin | jhutchins_lt: on lenny it was like that, squeeze is a little different it seems |
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| 20:23.46 | jhutchins_lt | justin: Lovely, they moved things around? |
| 20:23.58 | jhutchins_lt | justin: That probably means ltsp's gonna barf if I upgrade. |
| 20:23.58 | askhader | attempts to use tcpdump to debug |
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| 20:26.05 | askhader | justin: Weird, I am watching the output from tcpdump of localhost on lo and I see that 2 packets of length 4 were sufficient to requst the file |
| 20:26.34 | justin | that doesn't seem right, isn't that file 90k or so? |
| 20:26.35 | askhader | But ultimately the same file is being requested |
| 20:26.55 | justin | oh, you're using sparc so it's likely a different file from the one I have for x86 :) |
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| 20:27.13 | askhader | justin: Good point, the file is empty |
| 20:27.24 | justin | askhader: empty ? that doesn't seem right |
| 20:27.34 | justin | what was the name of the tarball you used? |
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| 20:28.09 | askhader | The file tftp pulled was empty, the symbolic link pxelinux.0 is not |
| 20:28.20 | askhader | i.e. /srv/tftp/pxelinux.0 |
| 20:28.25 | justin | ah! |
| 20:28.36 | justin | if you put a simple file in there, can you download that? |
| 20:28.42 | justin | would seem you have plain tftp problems unrelated to netbooting |
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| 20:28.55 | askhader | Download to localhost you mean? |
| 20:28.59 | justin | yeah |
| 20:29.04 | askhader | testing |
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| 20:30.28 | scummos | hi! i have a /etc/rc.local file, which is not being executed at boot time. what could be the reason for this? |
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| 20:31.02 | askhader | justin: Ah, this was different. It looks like a successful pull says 'Received n bytes in x.x seconds' |
| 20:31.21 | askhader | This was not so for pxelinux.0, it must have failed silently |
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| 20:32.06 | scummos | or is there a tool to modify init scripts, in general, i.e. tell it which script to start at what time? |
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| 20:32.23 | scummos | similar to gentoos rc-update |
| 20:33.00 | jelly-home | scummos: update-rc.d if you're using sysvinit |
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| 20:33.19 | jelly-home | !update-rc.d |
| 20:33.20 | dpkg | update-rc.d is used to manipulate System V style init script links, which are used to stop/start system services. Read the update-rc.d man page for a good introduction to Debian's boot process. For front-ends, ask me about <rcconf>, <sysv-rc-conf>, <bum>. See also <insserv>. |
| 20:34.22 | jhutchins_lt | canterbury got another one <grin> |
| 20:34.27 | askhader | =] |
| 20:34.39 | askhader | justin: Is it as you suspected? |
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| 20:36.38 | DammitJim | does <defunct> mean zombie process? |
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| 20:37.25 | justin | askhader: does it work if you clear everything out and re-extract the netboot tarball? |
| 20:37.33 | askhader | worth a try |
| 20:37.43 | scummos | jelly-home: thank you, I think that'll work |
| 20:37.45 | scummos | :) |
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| 20:39.31 | wooden | How do I tell if dependency-based boot sequencing is enabled on my Lenny-to-Squeeze upgraded box? |
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| 20:40.55 | askhader | justin: You sir, are a god |
| 20:41.02 | askhader | And a good person for sticking with me this long. |
| 20:41.07 | askhader | Thanks. |
| 20:41.12 | xreal | How can I "convert" automatically installed packaged into normal installed ones? |
| 20:41.35 | justin | askhader: cool |
| 20:41.38 | scummos | xreal: I think you can just apt-get install <package> |
| 20:41.59 | xreal | scummos: Isn't there a trick with dpkg? I'm too lazy to type in 40 packages. |
| 20:42.19 | scummos | xreal: can't you just copy the list? |
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| 20:42.51 | jelly-home | xreal: aptitude unmarkauto stuff |
| 20:43.00 | xreal | scummos: Yeah, but I'm looking for a generic solution. I can't copy & paste on the small screen of my mobilephone pretty good :-/ |
| 20:43.09 | scummos | oh. ok. ;P |
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| 20:43.17 | scummos | do it via ssh! |
| 20:43.18 | scummos | ;D |
| 20:43.22 | xreal | jelly-home: I've used apt-get before... is it okay to mix it with aptitude? |
| 20:43.28 | jelly-home | yes. |
| 20:43.37 | scummos | uses the same underlying architecture |
| 20:43.41 | xreal | scummos: I'm using ssh on Android to log into the server |
| 20:43.41 | scummos | just different front-ends |
| 20:43.49 | xreal | scummos: Really? Many docs tell different things. |
| 20:43.51 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell xreal about why aptitude |
| 20:44.07 | scummos | xreal: oh, okay? then I might also be wrong |
| 20:44.44 | xreal | jelly-home & scummos: I knew about the DPKG backend and GUI frontend, but I did not know that it's okay to mix them up. Thanks a lot for information. |
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| 20:45.31 | xreal | jelly-home: it only works without "stuff" |
| 20:45.46 | jelly-home | xreal: enumerate you stuff, duh |
| 20:45.49 | jelly-home | your* |
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| 20:46.47 | xreal | jelly-home: Ah okay. But when leaving out the last options, all those packages are unmarked :-) |
| 20:46.50 | xreal | That's what I want. |
| 20:46.50 | xreal | Thanks. |
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| 20:47.22 | zleslie | <directory> refers to the actuall directory on the filesystem, and not the relative location, correct? |
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| 20:47.34 | askhader | .win 16 |
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| 20:47.48 | zleslie | wrong channel |
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| 20:49.20 | jelly-home | xreal: oh, I wasn't aware it would do that |
| 20:49.50 | xreal | jelly-home: seems like it did |
| 20:50.02 | aarkerio | hi! somebody could compile fglrx in Wheezy using 2.6.38 kernel? |
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| 20:52.03 | gnarface | i thought fglrx was closed source |
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| 20:57.26 | aarkerio | I found a patch: http://paste.debian.net/106284 |
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| 21:03.08 | SlinkyDog | where can I find the activity manager in debians kde? Do I need to install a extra package or is it yet provided by kdebase, kde-workspace etc.? |
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| 21:05.27 | lucas^ | trying to install Debian Squeeze locally using debootstrap. going to put it on a 4GB micro-SD card later and use it in a RoBoard embedded platform |
| 21:06.03 | lucas^ | I can't seem to install wpasupplicant because it relies on dbus, which can't install for reasons seemingly related to selinux |
| 21:06.10 | lucas^ | selinux-basics installs a lot of stuff |
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| 21:06.21 | lucas^ | what's the bare minimum I need to get this working? |
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| 21:08.42 | kyle_ | hi |
| 21:09.43 | opapo | What are the chances of a Canterbury Distribution succeeding? |
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| 21:13.55 | zmitya | hi gents |
| 21:14.07 | zmitya | guys, how long will lenny get security updates ? |
| 21:14.13 | zmitya | from now ? |
| 21:14.35 | zmitya | or till when ? |
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| 21:17.01 | xreal | What's a good name for a package from SVN? Is this okay? mapnik_0.7.2-SVNr2702 |
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| 21:18.21 | jelly-home | zmitya: usually they go for a year after the release+1, so something like 2012-02-06 |
| 21:18.50 | zmitya | jelly-home: great, thank you very much !!! |
| 21:19.01 | jelly-home | xreal: is that a commit after 0.7.2, or something that's going to become 0.7.2 one day? |
| 21:19.21 | xreal | jelly-home: It's going to become 0.7.2 |
| 21:19.29 | xreal | it0.7.2-dev |
| 21:19.36 | xreal | d'oh: it's 0.7.2-dev |
| 21:19.39 | jelly-home | xreal: use a ~ then. |
| 21:19.53 | jelly-home | xreal: so, say, 0.7.2~r2702 |
| 21:20.08 | xreal | jelly-home: mapnik_0.7.2-dev~r2702 |
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| 21:20.26 | xreal | which of both? :-) |
| 21:20.35 | jelly-home | xreal: no -dev. no -SVN. ~ immediately after the future release-to-be |
| 21:20.41 | xreal | okay |
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| 21:20.43 | xreal | Thanks |
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| 21:20.53 | jelly-home | and then a -debianreleasenumberhere |
| 21:21.27 | jelly-home | (assuming you're not making a native source package) |
| 21:21.44 | xreal | jelly-home: ok. 0.7.2~r2702-1 ? |
| 21:21.49 | jelly-home | yeah |
| 21:22.02 | xreal | thanks, that looks okay. |
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| 21:23.35 | jelly-home | opapo: it's already a huge success. |
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| 21:45.19 | askhader | My syslog is spewing EDAC AMD64 and Northbridge errors, my CPU is b0rked isn't it? |
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| 21:48.27 | luneff | greetings :-) does anyone have an idea about why make-kpkg does not produce modules.dep when cross-compiling? |
| 21:48.58 | luneff | kernel by itself is capable of doing that, so i'm a bit unhappy with make-kpkg |
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| 21:50.59 | jelly-home | luneff: aren't modules.dep generated at postinst time? |
| 21:51.32 | aguitel | how to start numlock in any session at login in lxde ? |
| 21:51.42 | luneff | perhaps, they could, but my specific usage of make-kpkg requires having modules.dep inside a deb :) |
| 21:52.04 | jelly-home | you usage might be unusual |
| 21:52.07 | jelly-home | r |
| 21:52.07 | luneff | eg. i'm not actually using kernel deb to install, but i'm using it to manage versions/revisions of kernels |
| 21:52.28 | jelly-home | but not... install? |
| 21:52.41 | jelly-home | *blink* |
| 21:53.00 | luneff | target device is a arm-board, i get uImage out of deb and flash it to nand ) |
| 21:53.17 | luneff | and i also would like to get modules.dep also from deb :-) |
| 21:54.34 | jelly-home | well it's not been in any packages recently. I can only see it in rather old ones. linux-image-2.6.22-rc3-ck1: /lib/modules/2.6.22-rc3-ck1/modules.dep |
| 21:54.46 | luneff | hm |
| 21:55.32 | lucas^ | I have Debian running on a 4GB Eee PC. we use it currently to collect data from another platform |
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| 21:55.52 | lucas^ | how much memory would be consumed if I decided to install Xorg / Gnome / Qt and all that? |
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| 22:01.34 | ompaul | lucas^: none, until you ran it |
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| 22:02.27 | root_ | [Amarok] [title: Pay the Man] [artist: The Offspring] [album: Americana] |
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| 22:03.25 | lucas^ | ompaul: nonvolatile Flash memory I meant. looks like it's around 1.5G or so |
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| 22:04.59 | ompaul | lucas^: well yeah and the question is much do you need for this data collection and how much can you afford to disturb it, and why not kde over gnome and emacs over vi etc ;-) if you can afford the overhead go for it |
| 22:05.24 | ompaul | lucas^: basically, your call, and you may or may not want to install a lot more when you are done |
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| 22:06.00 | lucas^ | it'd be kind of cool to run my Qt visualization stuff on this laptop as well as the other one |
| 22:06.22 | lucas^ | the other thing that concerns me is NetworkManager, which is annoying. we use an ad-hoc network to connect to the remote platform |
| 22:08.01 | ompaul | lucas^: you can test it, but it comes down to the choice which is yours, can you afford the overhead. Only you can tell. |
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| 22:15.33 | kyle_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.11 | babilen | kyle_: iptables -- for more information see http://wiki.debian.org/Firewalls and http://www.frozentux.net/documents/iptables-tutorial/ |
| 22:17.30 | kyle_ | thz |
| 22:19.00 | babilen | kyle_: Why do you need one? You sound like you are probably most happy with one of the frontends like fwbuilder |
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| 22:19.46 | kyle_ | i am using firestarter |
| 22:20.01 | kyle_ | why do you say that? |
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| 22:21.11 | babilen | the way the question was asked -- why do you need a firewall? |
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| 22:22.39 | vahni | how to find the "path" of my qt libraries? i can see the installed packages, files etc., but pointing (QTDIR or in the config options of the program i want to instalL) to /usr/lib/qt4 wont work. |
| 22:23.42 | zmitya | vahni: dpkg -L packagename ?? |
| 22:23.51 | MrFrood | vahni: are you trying to compile somethig? |
| 22:23.58 | vahni | MrFrood yes |
| 22:24.27 | MrFrood | vahni: do you know about dev packages? |
| 22:24.46 | vahni | MrFrood and in ./configure i have to specify the path to qt. but i have /usr/lib/qt /usr/share/qt etc |
| 22:24.56 | vahni | McFrood yes |
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| 22:25.43 | tharkun | babilen: I think that learning iptables syntax is many times an easier option than the frontends that most people use |
| 22:26.09 | babilen | tharkun: I agree -- people like GUIs though. |
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| 22:26.39 | MrFrood | vahni: use zmitya suggestion |
| 22:26.54 | tharkun | babilen: Well, I forgot that tiny detail ;P |
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| 22:35.22 | vahni | McFrood ok. do you think its the package "libqt4-dev"? i list its files, but even these paths dont work, it seems |
| 22:37.20 | kyle_ | babilen: is good toknow how the thing work, and some GUIs don`t aloow that |
| 22:37.25 | MrFrood | not sure, do you know what file it is looking for? |
| 22:37.33 | kyle_ | s/aloow/allow |
| 22:38.24 | vahni | McFrood the program looks for the qt library, or the qt directory |
| 22:39.02 | MrFrood | if it is not one of the paths listed by dpkg -L something very odd is going on |
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| 22:40.39 | vahni | McFrood there are 100 paths listed by dpkg -L |
| 22:41.21 | MrFrood | which is why it would be helpful if you knew which file it was looking for |
| 22:42.04 | MrFrood | quite often it will be a .so file |
| 22:42.24 | babilen | kyle_: which is why i gave you the link to the frozentux tutorial |
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| 22:51.25 | nsadmin | how does hibernation work in squeeze? |
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| 22:52.06 | simonlnu | with a toothpick, some nails, and a sledge |
| 22:52.26 | simonlnu | i.e., ihnc |
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| 22:54.51 | jhutchins_lt | First you light a fire under the boiler. |
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| 22:55.38 | amphi | nsadmin: echo disk > /sys/power/state should work |
| 22:56.35 | amphi | you might need to specify the swap partition on the kernel command line with resume=/dev/foo to restore the state |
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| 23:05.20 | Paranoyak | hello people |
| 23:05.41 | Paranoyak | is there any way to install nautilus elementary on squeeze? |
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| 23:11.14 | frikinz_ | do you have a link for the source? |
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| 23:13.06 | Some_Person | What is the recommended way to upgrade to Iceweasel/Firefox 4 on squeeze? |
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| 23:13.42 | MrFrood | wait for it to arrive in backports |
| 23:13.54 | ruif13 | hi, anyone help with mysqlworkbench install on debian 6 |
| 23:13.55 | ruif13 | ? |
| 23:14.48 | ruif13 | when i try to install in dpk Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.21.6) |
| 23:14.49 | ruif13 | :( |
| 23:15.30 | ruif13 | thanks |
| 23:15.36 | simonlnu | ,info cant |
| 23:15.38 | judd | No record of package 'cant' in squeeze/i386. |
| 23:15.48 | simonlnu | ,info cant --release sid |
| 23:15.50 | judd | Package cant (admin, extra) in sid/i386: Package Manager of the Canterbury Distribution. Version: 0.8.15-1; Size: 2.1k; Installed: 44k; Homepage: http://www.canterbury-project.org/ |
| 23:19.10 | frikinz | university of kent. wtf |
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| 23:20.44 | pmo5 | ruif13, apt-get update // but i guess you already did |
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| 23:23.03 | ruif13 | pmo5 yap :S |
| 23:23.06 | ruif13 | the same |
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| 23:24.24 | frikinz | ahah cant |
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| 23:28.33 | ranix | is there an easy way to list packages a package depends on with apt? |
| 23:28.38 | ranix | hm |
| 23:28.46 | ranix | rather, list packages that depend on this package |
| 23:29.49 | ranix | ah got it, rdepends |
| 23:29.50 | babilen | apt-cache rdepends / apt-cache depends |
| 23:30.40 | Saar | anyone know why certain stock gnome images (for example the stock image for a "refresh" style menu item) would disappear after upgrading to squeeze and how I can fix it? |
| 23:31.11 | Saar | careful searching revealed the images are still in their location, just not displayed |
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| 23:44.12 | mrdeb | hi |
| 23:44.12 | rofl0r | ,versions kdevlop |
| 23:44.12 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'kdevlop' was found in i386. |
| 23:44.18 | rofl0r | ,versions kdevelop |
| 23:44.19 | judd | Package kdevelop on i386 -- lenny: 4:3.5.2-1; sid: 4:4.0.1-1; squeeze: 4:4.0.1-1; wheezy: 4:4.0.1-1 |
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| 23:46.28 | babilen | rofl0r: /msg judd versions PKG -- or use 'rmadison' from the devscripts package :) |
| 23:47.15 | rofl0r | babilen, rmadison ? |
| 23:47.24 | rofl0r | babilen, devscripts ? |
| 23:47.28 | babilen | yes |
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| 23:47.56 | rofl0r | i just wonder cause suse 11.4 has kdevelop 4.2 while my sid has still 4.0.1 |
| 23:48.32 | rofl0r | i want the new bugfixed |
| 23:49.10 | jhutchins_lt | rofl0r: Debian is not for people who are insecure about how big their version numbers are. |
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| 23:50.07 | rofl0r | well i thought debian sid is for ppl that want the new stuff |
| 23:50.29 | ranix | no debian sid is for people who want to test new debian packages |
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| 23:51.03 | nyk2005 | I'm trying to add my printer to CUPS on NSLU2 debian. The printer worked fine previously on a i386 server. It didn't work by copying over the config files, I got a "cannot get printer status" error. I try to add the printer now in the CUPS interface, but I cannot select "brother" as manufacturer in the page after selecting the brother printer connected by USB. I can only select epson, generic and some others. I installed gutenprint/foomatic. What could be missin |
| 23:51.03 | nyk2005 | g? |
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| 23:51.29 | ranix | most people want stable for all packages unless they have a reason to require a specific newer package, in which case they should build it themselves or download it from a third party (trusted) repository |
| 23:52.14 | mrdeb | newer version are more sable and faster |
| 23:52.22 | craigevil | !sid |
| 23:52.22 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 23:53.29 | ranix | mrdeb: a popular misconception held by the uninformed |
| 23:53.44 | mrdeb | no. i tested it |
| 23:54.07 | ranix | you tested what |
| 23:54.21 | nevyn | ranix: it's also the view held by developers. unfortunatly |
| 23:54.24 | jhutchins_lt | mrdeb: If it's significantly better, and they haven't backported the patches already, file an RFP. |
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| 23:57.54 | tgies | i have a usb flash drive with a fat32 and a luks ext2 partition on it. when i plug it in, i get prompted for the luks passphrase and both partitions mount fine; however, only root seems to be able to write to the ext2-on-dm-crypt partition -- shouldn't udisks be mounting it s.t. everyone can write to it? |
| 23:58.08 | RichiH | badblocks is the tool to use to check a disk really thouroughly? |
| 23:58.18 | Mr_Queue | one of them. |
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| 23:58.42 | RichiH | Mr_Queue: if there are better alternatives, tell me :) |
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| 23:58.53 | tgies | wait |
| 23:59.02 | tgies | i think i just asked a stupid question |
| 23:59.07 | tgies | pretty sure i know what's wrong here |
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