| 00:01.11 | tgies | yeah lol never mind, i literally forgot that permissions on the filesystem itself would come into play |
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| 00:07.22 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 00:07.32 | lenswipe | can someone tell me a linux alternative to citrix metaframe? |
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| 00:09.42 | nevyn | X11 ? |
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| 00:10.51 | lenswipe | hmm |
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| 00:11.02 | lenswipe | btw i cant use tsclient with ICA - anyone know why not? |
| 00:11.06 | lenswipe | ICA is greyed out |
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| 00:11.58 | nevyn | lenswipe: there's citrix for linux but it's 32bit only which makes it a pain to get going on amd64 |
| 00:12.01 | nevyn | but it's possbile |
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| 00:12.07 | lenswipe | nevyn, im amd64 |
| 00:12.21 | lenswipe | i heard citrix was only available for UNIX(and not linux) |
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| 00:12.41 | lenswipe | also, does the CITRIX serve up a linux desktop or a microsoft desktop? |
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| 00:13.23 | nevyn | do you need to connect to a presentation server or provide a linux system as a citrix presentation server? |
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| 00:14.24 | nevyn | so citrix clients are definitly availible for linux. |
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| 00:14.56 | nevyn | lenswipe: what do you need to do? |
| 00:15.10 | nevyn | thinks citrix is reasonably stupid. |
| 00:15.18 | lenswipe | nevyn, im trying to connect to citrix ICA on debian AMD 64 |
| 00:15.39 | lenswipe | problem is, the citrix client is only available for i386 |
| 00:15.49 | nevyn | so you get an ica file you need a citrix client. |
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| 00:16.56 | lenswipe | nevyn, tsclient is capable of working with ICA, but it needs wfica to be installed which is closed source and only available in i386 format |
| 00:17.07 | lenswipe | nevyn, which is frankly ****ing annoying |
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| 00:17.39 | nevyn | http://debian-user.blogspot.com/2008/01/getting-citrix-for-carecast-working-on.html |
| 00:17.48 | lenswipe | nevyn, http://imagebin.org/146186 |
| 00:17.55 | nevyn | lenswipe: so I have wfica workingit's doable but it's a pain |
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| 00:18.23 | nevyn | you basically end up grabbing a bunch of 32bit deb's unpacking them and putting them in /usr/lib32 |
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| 00:19.18 | lenswipe | nevyn, oh, is that all? |
| 00:19.28 | lenswipe | nevyn, and then i can install the 32bit reciever? |
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| 00:20.29 | nevyn | so you install the 32bit reciever first. it just fails to run untill you have the right 32bit libs |
| 00:20.42 | nevyn | lenswipe: lemme look for the howto I used |
| 00:21.41 | lenswipe | nevyn, when i grab the .deb it wont even install - it says "ERROR - Wrong architecture" |
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| 00:21.51 | hektik | im getthing this merror message when trying to start bitchx |
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| 00:22.13 | hektik | error while loading shared libraries: libncurses.so.5: cannot open shared objects file: no such file or directy |
| 00:22.47 | nevyn | lenswipe: dpkg -i --force-arch citrix.deb |
| 00:23.03 | lenswipe | kk |
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| 00:24.34 | lenswipe | nevyn, dpkg: unknown force/refuse option `arch' |
| 00:24.40 | craigevil | !bitchx |
| 00:24.40 | dpkg | BitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. It was abandoned by its upstream, has known security issues and was removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #451373. Ask me instead about <irssi>, <xchat>, <konversation>, <weechat>. To ignore BitchX quit messages in irssi, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>. |
| 00:26.23 | nevyn | lenswipe: --force-architecture |
| 00:26.33 | lenswipe | nevyn, i did it with the tarball instead... |
| 00:26.49 | nevyn | lenswipe: I hate tarballs but whatever |
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| 00:26.59 | lenswipe | nevyn, me too, but needs msust |
| 00:27.00 | lenswipe | must* |
| 00:27.13 | nevyn | lenswipe: it's totally doable with the deb. |
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| 00:27.47 | lenswipe | nevyn, i have an entry in my internet menu for "CITRIX Reciever" should anything happen when i click it? |
| 00:27.48 | nevyn | the tricky bit is you need ia32-libs-gtk |
| 00:27.55 | nevyn | lenswipe: probably not. |
| 00:28.16 | nevyn | lenswipe: --force-help would have given you the right magic |
| 00:28.32 | lenswipe | btw |
| 00:28.39 | nevyn | mmm... |
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| 00:28.57 | nevyn | and you need motif3 for ia32 |
| 00:28.58 | lenswipe | nevyn, http://imagebin.org/146188 |
| 00:29.14 | lenswipe | thats what happens if i try and connect to a presentation server |
| 00:29.59 | nevyn | ick |
| 00:30.29 | nevyn | so does wfica run in a terminal? |
| 00:30.34 | lenswipe | idk |
| 00:30.49 | lenswipe | sh: wfica: not found |
| 00:30.52 | lenswipe | ...i guess thats ano |
| 00:30.53 | lenswipe | a no* |
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| 00:32.07 | nevyn | /usr/lib/ICAClient/wfica |
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| 00:33.22 | lenswipe | nevyn, for some reason the client installed to /home/robert/ICAClient/linuxx86/wfica |
| 00:33.29 | nevyn | oh. |
| 00:33.34 | nevyn | there's a reason to use the deb. |
| 00:33.40 | lenswipe | *sigh* |
| 00:33.41 | lenswipe | i know |
| 00:33.42 | lenswipe | :( |
| 00:33.45 | lenswipe | ill try with the deb |
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| 00:36.11 | lenswipe | nevyn, ok im doing it with the deb and now when i click on the web interface to connect it doesnt ask to open it with citrix reciever |
| 00:36.58 | lenswipe | nevyn, and if i try and run wfica from command line an error box comes up with the following.. |
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| 00:37.25 | lenswipe | nevyn, http://imagebin.org/146191 |
| 00:38.18 | nevyn | you need to associate it correctly in the browser |
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| 00:40.23 | lenswipe | nevyn, i need to what? |
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| 00:44.57 | nevyn | so I get that error if I run wfica directly too. |
| 00:45.28 | lenswipe | right |
| 00:45.39 | lenswipe | which brings me back to my first question |
| 00:45.54 | lenswipe | how do i connect to a presentation server under debian? |
| 00:46.21 | ranix | what is a presentation server |
| 00:46.48 | nevyn | so I do it via our web based CAG |
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| 00:47.47 | nevyn | ranix: a citrix server. |
| 00:47.53 | ranix | that's a nice generic name for something that will completely empty your mental ram when you hear it |
| 00:48.00 | ranix | "presentation server" |
| 00:48.34 | nevyn | so it's a specific component in a citrix system |
| 00:48.59 | lenswipe | nevyn, what do you mean "Web based cag"? |
| 00:49.12 | nevyn | citrix access gateway. |
| 00:49.23 | lenswipe | yeah we have something a litte like that |
| 00:49.27 | lenswipe | nevyn, http://m2.uhi.ac.uk |
| 00:49.57 | nevyn | yeah one of those. |
| 00:50.01 | lenswipe | yeah |
| 00:50.25 | lenswipe | yeah well it downloads a .ICA file to my machine |
| 00:50.31 | lenswipe | which i have no frikkin clue what to do with |
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| 00:50.46 | nevyn | right |
| 00:50.58 | nevyn | ok run wfica file.ica |
| 00:52.02 | nevyn | but only the most recently downloaded one will work. |
| 00:52.12 | nevyn | they contain like expiring keys .. |
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| 00:52.43 | lenswipe | ok |
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| 00:55.42 | lenswipe | nevyn, http://imagebin.org/146193 |
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| 00:56.24 | lenswipe | nevyn, my college seems to take the attitude that if you're using linux you can go f*** yourself |
| 00:56.39 | lenswipe | which is kinda short sighted, if not odd given that im a CS student |
| 00:56.55 | nevyn | their ssl is broken |
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| 00:57.07 | lenswipe | nevyn, hmm? |
| 00:57.11 | nevyn | lenswipe: google that error |
| 00:57.14 | lenswipe | ok |
| 00:57.24 | lenswipe | nevyn, do i need to get in touch with them and tell them their SSL is broken? |
| 00:57.36 | nevyn | lenswipe: they probably don't care. |
| 00:57.48 | lenswipe | well how am i supposed to do my work? |
| 00:58.28 | spersaud | whats lxde ? |
| 00:58.44 | spersaud | similar to xfce ? |
| 00:58.56 | nevyn | lenswipe: http://blog.torh.net/2008/02/29/problems-with-citrix-client-on-linux/ |
| 00:59.01 | nevyn | google knows all. |
| 00:59.26 | nevyn | gtg... mystery sing your own opera. |
| 00:59.45 | lenswipe | ok |
| 01:00.29 | zorrolero | nevyn: this solution is not the right one for your problem |
| 01:00.49 | nevyn | zorrolero: not my problem lenswipe's problem |
| 01:01.05 | zorrolero | ups, ok |
| 01:01.27 | nevyn | zorrolero: and his problem is with certificate trusts |
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| 01:01.40 | nevyn | which is because the uni is using self signed certs with citrix |
| 01:01.56 | zorrolero | ok |
| 01:02.00 | nevyn | lenswipe: it's probably worth asking for a copy of the CA public key |
| 01:02.09 | lenswipe | nevyn, what can i do with that? |
| 01:02.15 | nevyn | but id'd be supprised if they're competent enough to be able to give it to you. |
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| 01:02.38 | nevyn | ca management is one of the tricky problems in IT generally |
| 01:02.53 | lenswipe | nevyn, if i go to the helpdesk and ask for the CA public key and they ask me what that is what do i say? |
| 01:02.57 | nevyn | like password management and directory design and management |
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| 01:03.23 | nevyn | lenswipe: the public key for the certificate signing authority. |
| 01:03.32 | nevyn | you need to put it in the right directory. |
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| 01:03.43 | lenswipe | ok |
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| 01:04.04 | lenswipe | nevyn, which directory is the right directory? |
| 01:04.14 | lenswipe | does citrix ica client have a directory for public keys? |
| 01:04.19 | nevyn | yes. |
| 01:05.06 | zorrolero | lenswipe: for your problem you have to talk to your cag-admins, there's something missing in the launch.ica for linux-clients, the definition of the application server... |
| 01:05.27 | nevyn | zorrolero: nope |
| 01:05.44 | nevyn | zorrolero: the error you're looking at is running wfica with no arguments |
| 01:05.49 | nevyn | that's as expectedx |
| 01:06.05 | zorrolero | nevyn: there's no mention of an ssl-error, in this imagebin-post |
| 01:06.16 | nevyn | http://imagebin.org/146193 this is the error that we're talking about |
| 01:06.34 | zorrolero | oha, sorry |
| 01:06.48 | zorrolero | looked at http://imagebin.org/146191 |
| 01:06.50 | nevyn | points at a box. |
| 01:07.01 | nevyn | ;) |
| 01:07.07 | nevyn | anyway gtg... opera. |
| 01:07.40 | zorrolero | nevyn: so, you're right.) |
| 01:07.57 | lenswipe | zorrolero, http://pastebin.com/yFpfr6T9 |
| 01:07.59 | lenswipe | zorrolero, fair comment? |
| 01:08.12 | lenswipe | nevyn, enjoy opera, and thanks for your help |
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| 01:09.11 | resuni | hey, im trying to install debian amd64 with the netinst |
| 01:09.28 | resuni | when the time comes to select a mirror i get this error: |
| 01:09.30 | resuni | mirror does not support the selected release (squeeze) |
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| 01:10.08 | resuni | i installed debian squeeze i386 on my netbook so how could this be? |
| 01:10.26 | lenswipe | resuni, amd64 != i386 |
| 01:10.33 | resuni | well, yeah |
| 01:10.43 | resuni | but i assume you have packages for both in the mirrors right? |
| 01:10.51 | lenswipe | zorrolero, are you sure its a certificate issue? |
| 01:11.05 | resuni | why would the mirrors have i386 but not amd64? |
| 01:11.23 | lenswipe | try another mirror? |
| 01:11.31 | resuni | yeah, i tried several |
| 01:11.38 | lenswipe | try the install again |
| 01:11.49 | resuni | just totally start over? |
| 01:11.57 | lenswipe | yeah |
| 01:12.06 | resuni | ok... i'll get to it then... |
| 01:13.01 | zorrolero | lenswipe: did you do the copy-job in nevyn's link? |
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| 01:14.03 | ectospasm | Anyone know how to remove a printer added through mDNS? http://localhost:631/admin shows the printer, but I can't delete it there (nor in system-conig-printer) |
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| 01:14.45 | lenswipe | zorrolero, yeah but i replaced the cert authority with the proper one |
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| 01:16.24 | lenswipe | ectospasm, try restarting cupsd |
| 01:17.39 | ectospasm | lenswipe: done, it doesn't work |
| 01:17.52 | lenswipe | hmm |
| 01:17.54 | ectospasm | I'm currently trying to disable avahi-daemon, and I'm rebooting |
| 01:17.56 | lenswipe | idk then, sorry |
| 01:18.04 | zorrolero | lenswipe: the proper one? in your imagebin "Thawte" is mentioned, so this is an extract of my /usr/share/ca-certificates/mozilla/: http://paste.debian.net/112727/ |
| 01:18.27 | ectospasm | Yeah, I didn't think Debian did anything automatically, and I see it had used mDNS to add this printer |
| 01:18.35 | lenswipe | zorrolero, it doesnt mention Thawte in my imagebin |
| 01:18.35 | ectospasm | it'd be no problem if it actually worked |
| 01:18.40 | lenswipe | zorrolero, thats in another post |
| 01:18.47 | ectospasm | Now, it may not have added the printer until I installed hplip |
| 01:18.49 | zorrolero | wtf |
| 01:19.06 | lenswipe | ectospasm, im not sure what you mean by added the printer using mDNS |
| 01:19.16 | lenswipe | ectospasm, did it just do it or did you ask it to install it? |
| 01:19.33 | ectospasm | it just did it. mDNS is Debian's term for Bonjour, or ZeroConf |
| 01:20.03 | ectospasm | funny thing is CUPS on the Ubuntu machine with the printer directly attached via USB wasn't set to share the printer. |
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| 01:20.09 | zorrolero | lenswipe: okhey, i should really go to bed...too drunk. bye |
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| 01:20.22 | lenswipe | ok |
| 01:20.23 | lenswipe | gnite |
| 01:20.32 | ectospasm | yeah, I find drunken computing to be the greatest of all evils when trying to solve problems |
| 01:20.44 | ectospasm | that being said, I'm nursing a glass of wine (-; |
| 01:20.52 | lenswipe | ectospasm, i have no idea what you mean by mDNS - to me mDNS is microsoft DNS - which is a load of horse shit |
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| 01:22.06 | ectospasm | lenswipe: it's an autoconfig, avahi-daemon implements Apple's Bonjour/ZeroConf zero-configuration network discovery protocol |
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| 01:22.15 | lenswipe | i see |
| 01:22.19 | lenswipe | ectospasm, this could be useful |
| 01:22.27 | lenswipe | ...although in the circumstances...maybe not.. |
| 01:22.29 | spersaud | how to I load xgamma in lxde at startup .. |
| 01:22.41 | ectospasm | Only trouble is, I can't seem to remove the mDNS-added printer ;-/ |
| 01:22.50 | spersaud | once again debian is my distro of choice .. congrats on a great release |
| 01:23.10 | spersaud | I added it to .xinitrc |
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| 01:41.51 | resuni | ok, i'm getting that error again |
| 01:42.08 | resuni | maybe the netinst doesn't come with a driver that i need? |
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| 01:42.24 | resuni | how do i find out and run whatever driver i need during the install? |
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| 01:43.32 | kasun | hi, I'm trying to build a java Maven package using mh_make in MavenDebianHelper. |
| 01:43.41 | kasun | But I'm constantly getting this error. |
| 01:43.43 | kasun | http://pastebin.com/0zr7ZAHh |
| 01:43.52 | LinuxGuy2009 | What ever happened to the package gshutdown? Is it discontinued or renamed or something? I dont see it in the repos. |
| 01:44.09 | kasun | can anybody tell me what's wrong in it please? |
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| 01:45.01 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: i would imagine gdm handles it now |
| 01:45.01 | kasun | As I see, it can not find the mavan-javadoc-plugin |
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| 01:46.50 | abrotman | judd: file pom.xml |
| 01:46.57 | judd | pom.xml in squeeze/i386: libspring-ldap-java-doc: usr/share/doc/libspring-ldap-java/samples/article/pom.xml, usr/share/doc/libspring-ldap-java/samples/demos/demo-tiger/pom.xml, usr/share/doc/libspring-ldap-java/samples/demos/demo/pom.xml, usr/share/doc/libspring-ldap-java/samples/demos/pom.xml, usr/share/doc/libspring-ldap-java/samples/pom.xml, usr/share/doc/libspring-ldap-java/samples/samples-utils/pom.xml; |
| 01:46.59 | judd | libmina2-java-doc: usr/share/doc/libmina2-java-doc/examples/pom.xml; jflex: usr/share/doc/jflex/examples/pom.xml, usr/share/doc/jflex/examples/simple-maven/pom.xml, usr/share/doc/jflex/examples/standalone-maven/pom.xml; libmina-java-doc: usr/share/doc/libmina-java-doc/examples/pom.xml; libcommons-vfs-java-doc: usr/share/doc/libcommons-vfs-java-doc/examples/pom.xml |
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| 01:57.17 | Skolem | I set XKBOPTIONS="ctrl:nocaps" in /etc/default/keyboard & rebooted, but in the Gnome Terminal application, caps lock is still caps lock. In a virtual terminal (alt-ctrl-F6) caps lock is ctrl, as desired. How do I make it work in Gnome? This is Debian 6, freshly installed from the netinst CD on a Dell laptop. |
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| 02:08.44 | ectospasm | BOOOYAKA, got it! Ubuntu firewall (ufw) wasn't allowing CUPS! |
| 02:08.59 | Skolem | Figured it out - first paragraph here: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/MovingTheCtrlKey |
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| 02:15.22 | kasun | judd: were you talking to me? sorry, I didn't get what you said! |
| 02:15.48 | karlpinc | kasun: judd is a bot. |
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| 02:16.11 | kasun | karlpinc, oops! :) |
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| 02:28.15 | hsuanyeh | hello! has anyone ever used an iSCSI target as root file device for Debian? |
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| 02:38.41 | resuni | can i do a pxe install from an 32-bit installation to a 64-bit installation? |
| 02:39.07 | resuni | i'm at this section and i don't know what to choose: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
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| 02:43.23 | ectospasm | resuni: yes |
| 02:43.27 | ectospasm | resuni: afaik |
| 02:43.52 | ectospasm | the image your installing depends on the PXE client being able to handle it, not the PXE server |
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| 02:44.21 | ectospasm | (this is similar to the reason you can run a 64bit virtual machine guest on a 32bit host) |
| 02:44.44 | resuni | yeah, i found a page on the debian wiki |
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| 02:44.50 | resuni | it says my BIOS need to support PXE |
| 02:44.53 | resuni | i'll go check that now |
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| 02:45.06 | crohakon | Has anyone used java 7? |
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| 02:48.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps I am trying to fix an issue where my AD server is not online when my other servers are trying to mount and connect to shares.. Is there a way to make it mount later or try again? |
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| 02:49.53 | resuni | ectospasm: yeah, my motherboard doesn't have any PXE features |
| 02:50.47 | ectospasm | resuni: sometimes the BIOS will refer to NIC booting |
| 02:50.49 | ectospasm | check your manual |
| 02:50.58 | resuni | yeah, i have it right here |
| 02:51.00 | ectospasm | I know on Dell's it's buried in the BIOS |
| 02:51.02 | resuni | looks for NIC |
| 02:51.10 | ectospasm | It may be called Network Interface |
| 02:51.17 | danhm | having recently switched from Ubuntu to Debian (testing), is there anything I should know? |
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| 02:52.47 | ectospasm | danhm: yeah, Ubuntu makes a LOT of choices for you that you have to make yourself in Debian |
| 02:53.47 | danhm | that is one of the reasons I switched :) |
| 02:53.47 | resuni | ectospasm: i see nothing about networking in the BIOS section of my motherboard manual |
| 02:53.58 | karlpinc | !tell danhm about overview |
| 02:54.01 | ectospasm | resuni: how old is this motherboard? |
| 02:54.10 | resuni | i got it in 2007 i think |
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| 02:54.30 | ectospasm | resuni: you may have to add it explicitly in the boot sequence |
| 02:54.39 | resuni | it's an ASUS M2A-VM |
| 02:54.48 | karlpinc | danhm: Which does not help a lot with testing, but you may find that stable with backports/etc is, well, more stable and as featureful. |
| 02:55.03 | resuni | ectospasm: how would i do that? is there a way to upgrade firmware or something? |
| 02:55.42 | danhm | i see |
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| 02:56.32 | ectospasm | resuni: there may be a BIOS upgrade in a motherboard firmware update, but I don't know how common that is |
| 02:57.38 | karlpinc | Eryn_1983_FL: aptitude show autofs5 |
| 02:57.40 | resuni | ectospasm: network booting is not an option in the boot sequence though |
| 02:57.46 | resuni | if that's what you mean |
| 02:57.54 | ectospasm | yeah |
| 02:58.09 | ectospasm | resuni: does your motherboard have an onboard NIC? |
| 02:58.25 | resuni | NIC? |
| 02:58.29 | resuni | you mean ethernet card? |
| 02:58.33 | resuni | yeah, it came integrated |
| 02:58.37 | karlpinc | resuni: (network interface card) |
| 02:58.59 | resuni | karlpinc: yeah, that's what i assumed. but is that the same thing as an ethernet card? |
| 02:59.12 | resuni | (that's what i've always called it at least) |
| 02:59.29 | karlpinc | resuni: Yes. |
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| 03:00.22 | resuni | so yeah, if by onboard you mean "not added though PCI/PCI Express", then yes |
| 03:00.25 | resuni | it is onboard |
| 03:00.37 | karlpinc | resuni: It's a bit odd it won't pxeboot. Usually you need to set your bios to boot verbosely and it'll spit out messagse about keys to press to enable such features. It all depends on the bios though. |
| 03:00.43 | resuni | (@ ectospasm ) |
| 03:01.18 | resuni | karlpinc: yeah, mine don't seem to support network booting though |
| 03:01.31 | resuni | i got it in 2007, but i don't know when it actually came out |
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| 03:01.49 | resuni | wait, the manual says February 2007 |
| 03:01.53 | resuni | so that must be when it came out |
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| 03:02.08 | resuni | when did network booting become common in a motherboard? |
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| 03:02.17 | karlpinc | resuni: In the late 90's. |
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| 03:02.20 | ectospasm | resuni: check for motherboard firmware updates, if you're lucky NIC booting will be magically enabled. |
| 03:02.23 | resuni | lol that's weird |
| 03:02.48 | karlpinc | resuni: Why do you want to pxeboot? Won't some other install method work? |
| 03:03.02 | resuni | the netinst doesn't come with the right drivers |
| 03:03.12 | karlpinc | resuni: (pxebooting's really handy once you setup the tftp and dhcp server, but....) |
| 03:03.13 | resuni | for my NIC |
| 03:03.19 | crohakon | What is the apt-get for java 7? |
| 03:03.35 | karlpinc | resuni: What do you mean "right drivers"? Do you possibly mean the right firmware? |
| 03:04.11 | ectospasm | crohakon: try "aptitude -y install default-jre" |
| 03:04.11 | resuni | perhaps |
| 03:04.33 | ectospasm | drivers many times contain firmware, mind... |
| 03:04.45 | ectospasm | but that's a general statement |
| 03:04.46 | resuni | karlpinc: but when i tried installing today once i got to the part where i select the mirror it said that mirror didn't select the 'squeeze' release no matter what mirror i chose |
| 03:05.04 | crohakon | ectospasm, looking for the jre |
| 03:05.05 | resuni | through googling i found other people had a problem with not having the drivers for their chip |
| 03:05.11 | karlpinc | resuni: The install guide says how to get non-free firmware and give it to the installer. There are unoffical installers with such firmware included, but it's about as much trouble to use them as to just follow the instructions. |
| 03:05.32 | crohakon | ectospasm, that wants to install openjdk 6 |
| 03:05.36 | crohakon | I want real java, 7 |
| 03:05.44 | karlpinc | resuni: If the nic configured with dhcp successfuly then drivers are not your problem. |
| 03:05.56 | ectospasm | crohakon: so try sun-jre |
| 03:06.00 | resuni | i'm not using DHCP |
| 03:06.07 | resuni | wait, in fact you're right |
| 03:06.08 | karlpinc | resuni: Did you do a alt-f3 (or f4?) and look at the logs/try the shell to see if the nic has an IP? |
| 03:06.23 | resuni | it even said it detected my network wasn't using DHCP |
| 03:06.33 | karlpinc | resuni: You can get to a shell and try to ping something on your network. |
| 03:06.35 | ectospasm | crohakon: you'll have to have the non-free apt repos listed in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:06.40 | resuni | yeah, i alt+f4'd and saw that error |
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| 03:07.02 | resuni | karlpinc: i'll go try that right now... |
| 03:07.05 | karlpinc | resuni: If you didn't give it an IP address and you're not using dhcp then you need to configure the networking. |
| 03:07.14 | resuni | i did configure the networking |
| 03:07.19 | resuni | i'll come back and tell you how it goes |
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| 03:07.46 | crohakon | ectospasm, I do... I figured apt-get install sun-java7-jre would work... as it was sun-java6-jre to get 6 |
| 03:07.47 | karlpinc | resuni: See about pinging then. First an ip on your network, then test dns resolution by trying to ping google or something. |
| 03:08.24 | ectospasm | crohakon: hold on |
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| 03:09.43 | ectospasm | crohakon: it doesn't look like java7 is available in the squeeze non-free repo |
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| 03:10.02 | crohakon | So, how do I go about getting it? |
| 03:10.06 | karlpinc | Didn't java finally get gpl-ed and so isn't it out of the non-free section (yet?) |
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| 03:13.06 | karlpinc | resuni: You may also find "ping -n" helpful to turn off reverse dns lookups and isolate dns problems from IP problems. |
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| 03:15.40 | resuni | karlpinc: it says ping: command not found |
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| 03:15.58 | nsadmin | echo $PATH |
| 03:16.08 | resuni | but when it was "installing the base system" i saw the light on my NIC flashing |
| 03:16.21 | nsadmin | echo $PATH |
| 03:16.50 | karlpinc | nsadmin: He's in the installer. Dunno if it pings. (I'd guess so....) |
| 03:17.09 | karlpinc | resuni: You could always ping it from another box. |
| 03:17.32 | karlpinc | resuni: And test the resolver with "getent hosts www.google.com" or some such. |
| 03:17.45 | nsadmin | oic |
| 03:17.52 | karlpinc | nsadmin: ? |
| 03:18.13 | resuni | karlpinc: yeah, i can ping it from here |
| 03:18.19 | resuni | so what could be the problem then? |
| 03:18.29 | resuni | no matter what mirror i try it says it doesn't support squeeze |
| 03:18.34 | karlpinc | resuni: Ok. The nic has an IP. Does the box have dns setup properly? |
| 03:18.45 | resuni | yeah, i set up the DNS servers in the install |
| 03:18.51 | resuni | i gave it two IP addresses |
| 03:19.13 | nsadmin | oic == "Oh, I see" |
| 03:19.16 | karlpinc | resuni: Did you test that it works? |
| 03:19.41 | Tito_Narri | Does anyone will works the option to play YouTube videos in VLC in debian squeeze? |
| 03:19.42 | resuni | karlpinc: no |
| 03:19.54 | karlpinc | resuni: So use getent as I wrote above. |
| 03:20.34 | resuni | command not found |
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| 03:22.01 | karlpinc | resuni: I know there's a command on there that will use the resolver. Perhaps wget? |
| 03:22.12 | resuni | i'll go try it... |
| 03:22.17 | karlpinc | resuni: Anything that takes a dns name would test dns. |
| 03:22.25 | karlpinc | resuni: Look in /bin and /usr/bin |
| 03:23.10 | ectospasm | ping should work |
| 03:23.18 | resuni | karlpinc: wget says bad address |
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| 03:23.46 | karlpinc | ectospasm: In the installer? |
| 03:24.09 | ectospasm | you can always go to a virtual console and drop to a shell |
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| 03:24.26 | ectospasm | I'm not in the installer on any of my machines right now |
| 03:24.42 | karlpinc | ectospasm: That's where he is, and he said it couldn't find ping. |
| 03:24.43 | ectospasm | ...but I'd be surprised if ping wasn't among the limited set of available commands |
| 03:24.51 | ectospasm | ... |
| 03:24.51 | karlpinc | ectospasm: I was suprised too. |
| 03:25.03 | resuni | i g2g |
| 03:25.04 | ectospasm | is nc there? |
| 03:25.06 | resuni | i'll be back tomorrow |
| 03:25.09 | resuni | nc is a command? |
| 03:25.10 | ectospasm | OK |
| 03:25.18 | ectospasm | resuni: nc, or netcat |
| 03:25.30 | resuni | ectospasm: ok i'll try that |
| 03:25.32 | ectospasm | you can send a raw ICMP packet with netcat |
| 03:25.32 | resuni | bye |
| 03:25.42 | ectospasm | ...or so I assume, never actually done it |
| 03:27.36 | karlpinc | ectospasm: I can't belive nc is there if ping isn't. |
| 03:28.18 | ectospasm | yeah, and the nc manpage (on Ubuntu, anyway) doesn't indicate that ICMP can be sent |
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| 03:28.26 | ectospasm | ...with nc |
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| 03:30.12 | karlpinc | ectospasm: socat is nc on steroids. |
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| 03:30.37 | ectospasm | karlpinc: if ping an nc aren't in the installer, what makes you think socat is? |
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| 03:30.53 | karlpinc | ectospasm: That was an fyi. |
| 03:31.32 | ectospasm | karlpinc: that's the beautiful thing about Linux tools: so many ways to do the same thing |
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| 03:31.54 | nsadmin | what makes you think he thought that... however, there should be complete tools on the installer cd so that problems could be fixed if it came to that |
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| 03:33.14 | ectospasm | nsadmin: ash or busybox or whatever is an extremely limited shell, and most of the time the installer (netinst at least) has to fit <200MB |
| 03:34.16 | nsadmin | why is that? cds can store 600mb, and these days the least usb stick is like 2g |
| 03:34.48 | karlpinc | nsadmin: Because that's all most people need to install, so it cuts download time and associated overhead to recommend the netinstall image. |
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| 03:35.21 | nsadmin | how much space are we talkinbg about to add something useful to busybox? |
| 03:35.59 | karlpinc | The thing to tell him is to a) use expert mode so he can easily go back some steps and try again, and b) pay close attention to the log output which is likely to reveal the source of the problem. (I bet dns is not resolving.) |
| 03:36.10 | karlpinc | a) is not really necessary I suppose. |
| 03:36.45 | nsadmin | there is that, but my question still standes |
| 03:36.48 | nsadmin | stands |
| 03:37.17 | karlpinc | nsadmin: Because people can always use a full cd1 install cd and chroot into their installed environment and have _lots_ of stuff? |
| 03:38.08 | karlpinc | nsadmin: Anyway, I didn't make the decision and don't really know whether ping is there or not. Take it up with the installer maintainers. |
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| 03:40.07 | nsadmin | I understand that.... my (latest) question which still stands isn't a why question (and I understand it's not necessarily your decision personally) which is... |
| 03:40.12 | nsadmin | how much space are we talkinbg about to add something useful to busybox? |
| 03:41.19 | ectospasm | nsadmin: one thing you must remember about busybox is all of the commands within it are in the binary executable. It reads from RAM, but I don't know how much that expands to |
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| 03:41.58 | nsadmin | netcat/socat may or may not be useful, but maybe things like ping, dig, fsck, lspci |
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| 03:42.10 | ectospasm | http://www.busybox.net/FAQ.html#external |
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| 03:43.34 | nsadmin | maybe busybox should be split into lib/executables |
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| 03:44.26 | ectospasm | nsadmin: take that up with the busybox herd |
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| 03:44.57 | nsadmin | or executable/modules |
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| 03:46.21 | nsadmin | before presenting it to them a proof of concept demo should be prepared |
| 03:47.17 | ectospasm | actually, reading the first question in the FAQ says these questions are best answered by the downstream maintainers providing busybox |
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| 03:47.29 | ectospasm | so again, check with the debian installer maintainers |
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| 03:53.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | ty karlpinc |
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| 03:56.15 | slops | evening all |
| 03:56.31 | slops | i have just installed debian ina vm and had a question |
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| 03:57.35 | slops | what i would like to know is what is the equlivant to /usr/local/sbin in debian |
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| 03:58.29 | slops | I would like to run commands from anywhere and am unsure on how to do this |
| 03:59.27 | abrotman | slops: what's wrong with /usr/local/sbin/ ? |
| 03:59.37 | root_ | [Amarok] [title: Unfinished Sympathy] [artist: Massive Attack] [album: Blue Lines] |
| 03:59.45 | root_ | WHat a killer tune |
| 03:59.54 | abrotman | root_: turn tha toff |
| 04:00.12 | root_ | Now way man massive attack are class |
| 04:00.30 | slops | abrotman: nothing i was just wondering if it worked the same way |
| 04:00.30 | root_ | [Amarok] [title: Daydreaming] [artist: Massive Attack] [album: Blue Lines] |
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| 04:00.37 | ectospasm | !ot | root_ |
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| 04:00.54 | abrotman | root_: turn that script off, let an op know when it's been disabled |
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| 04:01.09 | abrotman | slops: there is /usr/local/sbin/ and /usr/local/bin/ |
| 04:01.28 | slops | ok so they both work then |
| 04:01.35 | slops | thanks abrotman |
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| 04:01.43 | slops | i will just ln -s to the dir then |
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| 04:03.33 | abrotman | impatient people .. |
| 04:05.26 | slops | abrotman: ok i did an ln -s in both firs |
| 04:05.29 | slops | thanks for the help |
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| 04:27.36 | nsadmin | !ops Blits auto onjoin |
| 04:27.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nsadmin complains about: Blits auto onjoin |
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| 04:34.04 | KB1JWQ | Blits: Stop that please. |
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| 04:42.08 | tharkun | thinks that is not a good idea |
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| 04:45.24 | omeddragon | ah hola |
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| 04:47.29 | omeddragon | Blits, why are you pinging every one |
| 04:47.52 | omeddragon | lol do you need something |
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| 04:53.46 | mylogic | hey there |
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| 06:44.04 | neoice | I love when a functionality I want is flagged as "wishlist,patch" |
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| 06:46.05 | WormFood | neoice, patch it yourself :P |
| 06:46.18 | jmarsden | neoice: Since there is already a patch, just grab the source package, apply the patch, debuild, install the .deb, and you will *have* the functionality you want. Job done :) |
| 06:47.27 | neoice | I'm tempted to, but the situation I'm in is my personal repo isnt using GPG signing and it's somewhat of a cyclical solution to push out my own unsigned apt that supports "deb [trusted]" |
| 06:47.47 | nsadmin | well assuming the patch provides the stated functionality... try it and see |
| 06:48.11 | neoice | at least I have sources.list.d these days. makes config management across $n nodes much, much easier. |
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| 06:51.10 | nsadmin | neoice, isn't it fun maintaining your own debian-based dist |
| 06:52.05 | neoice | nsadmin: yes? keeps me entertained and educated. |
| 06:52.30 | neoice | creating a repo seems much harder than it needs to be though. I should probably try all 8 tools or whatever and see which one I like best |
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| 06:54.28 | treebeen | neoice: reprepro is pretty nice, easy and quick to setup |
| 06:55.04 | treebeen | also, why don't you use a GPG to sign packages? It's not very difficult |
| 06:55.49 | neoice | treebeen: signing them isnt hard but if you're running a trivial repo (ie, not tool assisted), creating the Release file is a pain. |
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| 07:04.37 | Bhavicp | uwe: Why not parse it from ifconfig |
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| 07:05.36 | uwe | ifconfig only show the ip of the interface, not info about the servers |
| 07:06.21 | uwe | i wonder i cant find the informations in proc. |
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| 07:09.49 | uwe | no other idea? |
| 07:11.04 | Lars__ | uwe: type "ifconfig" |
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| 07:11.50 | uwe | Lars, ifconfig does show me the ip.what how do in find the IP from the dhcp or the bootserver insteat with dmesg? |
| 07:12.21 | treebeen | neoice: use reprepro and you don't have any problems like that |
| 07:13.34 | nsadmin | the kernel "parses" the dhcp (aka takes part in the protocol). maybe the dhcp client the kernel uses has source... maybe stuff in Documentation/ too |
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| 07:17.35 | uwe | nsadmin: cd Documentation : grep -RH 'dhcp' * ; done .. nothing about this |
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| 07:31.14 | d3c | it seems that under debian squeeze, php5-memcached has got some serious issues w/deleting and setting items. does anyone know about this? |
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| 08:20.21 | teneightypea | Does anyone here run a system based on Intel i5/H67 processor/chipset? |
| 08:20.37 | teneightypea | Keen to know if there has been success with the dual video output. |
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| 08:21.16 | teneightypea | Will likely run two DVI monitors from the DVI & HDMI ports on the motherboard if I can. |
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| 08:24.00 | cahoot | do they show up in xrandr -q? |
| 08:24.47 | omes- | teneightypea: that should be unproblematic, but don't quote me on that |
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| 08:25.23 | teneightypea | I haven't actually got the hardware at the moment so I can't check. Trying to check before I pull the trigger :) |
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| 08:25.36 | ma3x | hi why doesn't debian recognize surfsticks as /dev/ttyUSBn? how can i make it work |
| 08:26.09 | omes- | teneightypea: I'm sure google can help... |
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| 08:26.34 | teneightypea | I have seen that there is a bit of work being done with the Indel integrated stuff so any support probably isn't too far away anyway. (http://intellinuxgraphics.org/) |
| 08:26.54 | teneightypea | omes- <3, am looking now. Looks like 50/50 so far. |
| 08:27.25 | omes- | teneightypea: 50/50 usually means pebkac and correct config ;) |
| 08:27.30 | Sm0ke0ut | I've setup multiple IPs on my server and it worked really well but since a few days all programms are ignoring the bind setting :-/ |
| 08:27.30 | omes- | if fairly certain it will work |
| 08:27.57 | omes- | s/if/im/ |
| 08:28.33 | teneightypea | OK, I'm getting a good deal so I'll grab this stuff and start playing. |
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| 08:30.57 | flamingspinach | lol http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=559738 |
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| 09:50.31 | Sappheir | dpkg (1.15.8.10, debian wheezy) doesn't respond to ctrl+c, is that expected behavior? |
| 09:50.32 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, Sappheir |
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| 09:51.08 | Stupendoussteve | Sappheir: I think there are some operations where you wouldn't want it to shutdown instantly |
| 09:51.16 | Stupendoussteve | it could leave things in a broken state |
| 09:51.21 | Stupendoussteve | I don't know if that is actually by design though |
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| 09:56.46 | Sappheir | Also, how do I force apt-get to download from a specific repo? I want the latest version of vlc, so I added the repo |
| 09:57.25 | Sappheir | (deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian sid main) into my sources.list, updated and then ran "apt-get -t sid install vlc", but it still downloaded the packages from "default" wheezy repos |
| 09:59.03 | treebeen | Sappheir: -t unstable |
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| 10:00.38 | Sappheir | treebeen: nope, still doesn't work |
| 10:00.44 | treebeen | uh, i'm not sure if that will install from the videolan repo, but you pin it |
| 10:00.47 | treebeen | !pin |
| 10:00.47 | dpkg | well, pin is a small bolt, or ask me about <pinning>. |
| 10:00.51 | treebeen | !pinning |
| 10:00.51 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 10:08.57 | treebeen | man apt_preferences has more examples and description |
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| 10:15.36 | man_in_ltop | yay finally |
| 10:15.44 | man_in_ltop | did an upgrade of a whole bunch of stuff |
| 10:15.51 | man_in_ltop | and now chromium just asked to be default browser |
| 10:15.52 | jyf1987 | hi, are you guy still in April 1? |
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| 10:16.04 | jyf1987 | i want to know if the cbproject is true? |
| 10:16.12 | man_in_ltop | jyf1987, april 1? i've never heard of this before |
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| 10:16.41 | Stupendoussteve | jyf1987: You mean the merging of Debian, Arch, Gentoo, opensuse and that other one I've never heard of? |
| 10:16.44 | Stupendoussteve | No, it wasn't true |
| 10:16.48 | jyf1987 | Stupendoussteve: yes |
| 10:16.54 | jyf1987 | Stupendoussteve: ok, got it |
| 10:16.56 | Stupendoussteve | The sites should be back to normal |
| 10:17.05 | jyf1987 | but its 4.2 today |
| 10:17.14 | Stupendoussteve | Yes, that's why the sites should be back to normal |
| 10:17.17 | man_in_ltop | Stupendoussteve, are you saying the internet LIED TO ME?!?? :( |
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| 10:18.02 | Stupendoussteve | man_in_ltop: If you have debian there is a new apt frontend in sid created for the "project" |
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| 10:18.20 | man_in_ltop | ooh, what's it called? |
| 10:19.00 | Stupendoussteve | cant |
| 10:19.05 | Stupendoussteve | http://packages.debian.org/sid/cant |
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| 10:19.54 | Stupendoussteve | It's just a script that invokes apt-get |
| 10:19.58 | man_in_ltop | aw, apt-cache didn't find it |
| 10:20.39 | man_in_ltop | i don't like the mandate for cbproject given there |
| 10:20.48 | man_in_ltop | it should be all distros merging to a common goal |
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| 10:21.12 | man_in_ltop | it should be all distros merging to tell everyone there is only ONE correct way and it's the way the project devs say it is |
| 10:21.51 | man_in_ltop | after all, we all know cathedrals are more solid than bazaars .. |
| 10:22.03 | drovencrazy | this announcement was just a fake announcement |
| 10:22.13 | Stupendoussteve | The fun thing about the "cant" program is it includes an uninstaller |
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| 10:22.20 | Stupendoussteve | you run cant stand and dpkg will purge it |
| 10:22.22 | man_in_ltop | the announcement that the announcement is fake is a fake announcement? |
| 10:22.57 | man_in_ltop | something tells me i should just stick to aptitude moo |
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| 10:26.47 | gnarface | i'm interested in setting up a cross-compiling environment so that i can compile stuff for my ARM handheld on my amd64 system... does anyone have advice on where to start on this, preferably the debian way? |
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| 10:29.50 | gnarface | the handheld's user community forums have various tutorials and advice but most involve downloading some shady looking 3rd party script from some even shadier looking website. i'd prefer to approach this with tools are at least distributed with debian |
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| 10:39.33 | nsadmin | gnarface: is your device running android? |
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| 10:45.13 | gnarface | nsadmin: that's a negative. its more or less a bare linux system with a 2.6 kernel |
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| 10:46.39 | gnarface | nsadmin: one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GP2X_Wiz |
| 10:46.54 | Stupendoussteve | gnarface: seen http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingCrossCompilers ? |
| 10:47.10 | gnarface | Stupendoussteve: nope! thanks :) |
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| 10:54.31 | nsadmin | gcc is built as a cross compiler if you set --target and --host differently. see INSTALL for details. |
| 10:56.16 | gnarface | is that basically all there is to it? |
| 10:56.36 | nsadmin | no, once you have the compiler you'll need cross libs |
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| 10:57.41 | gnarface | that makes sense |
| 10:58.15 | nsadmin | there's probably a lot you can do to make it all convenient... |
| 11:00.30 | NoNaMeNo | hi, how long will debian lenny get updates? |
| 11:01.11 | nsadmin | that info is probably stored somewhere... |
| 11:01.35 | NoNaMeNo | I think I found it |
| 11:02.00 | NoNaMeNo | > The security team tries to support a stable distribution for about one year after the next stable distribution has been released, except when another stable distribution is released within this year. |
| 11:02.04 | NoNaMeNo | mm |
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| 11:07.15 | eueueue | - / |
| 11:08.46 | eueueue | - .7 |
| 11:08.55 | eueueue | - \ , // |
| 11:09.06 | eueueue | - |\.--._/|// |
| 11:09.15 | eueueue | - /\ ) ) ).'/ |
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| 11:09.41 | nsadmin | !ops eueueue ascii art spam |
| 11:09.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nsadmin complains about: eueueue ascii art spam |
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| 11:15.43 | omes- | nsadmin: oh come on... not like there was anything serious going on in here at the time anyways |
| 11:15.49 | RichiH | nsadmin: thanks |
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| 11:15.58 | RichiH | omes-: so? |
| 11:16.06 | omes- | RichiH: so why be a total BOFH? |
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| 11:17.13 | RichiH | omes-: channel policy & slippery slope |
| 11:17.54 | nsadmin | you gotta admit, someone who joins and juat starts in without even saying hi or anything is trying to stir things up, make people upset |
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| 11:18.19 | omes- | RichiH: i agree about the slippery slope, but as long as it doesn't become a problem then why punish somebody? |
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| 11:18.38 | omes- | RichiH: freebsd @ efnet has an operator posting peanut butter jelly time ascii art all the time |
| 11:18.44 | nsadmin | who got punished? |
| 11:18.44 | omes- | it's more of a charm than an annoyance |
| 11:19.01 | omes- | nsadmin: a complaint in itself is to some a punishment |
| 11:19.05 | nsadmin | if you wanna be charmed, find a gf :) |
| 11:19.16 | omes- | nsadmin: i don't dig girls ;) |
| 11:19.29 | abrotman | anyway ... |
| 11:19.36 | omes- | and i'm quite charmed by the ascii art at #freebsd |
| 11:19.52 | omes- | so i guess what you wanna say is if i wanna be charmed hang out in #freebsd @ efnet... (which i do |
| 11:20.04 | omes- | s/which i do/&)/ |
| 11:20.52 | RichiH | omes-: you might want to /motd then |
| 11:20.56 | RichiH | as long as it's still up |
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| 11:21.12 | omes- | RichiH: blinking unicorn all the way! :P |
| 11:21.27 | RichiH | indeed |
| 11:21.40 | omes- | RichiH: wasn't it you who sent out a pink flashing global as well? P |
| 11:21.45 | RichiH | yes |
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| 11:22.46 | omes- | RichiH: that made me laugh :P |
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| 11:23.32 | RichiH | omes-: good :) |
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| 11:45.37 | mha_ | ./configure results in "KDE4 uses the CMake ......." How can I complete the installation |
| 11:46.45 | abrotman | Debian has KDE4 packages ... |
| 11:47.12 | mha_ | abrotman: no I have these on dvd in tarball format |
| 11:47.49 | mha_ | abrotman: it is KDE 4.6 tarballs |
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| 11:48.04 | abrotman | what's wrong with teh Debian packages? |
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| 11:48.36 | mha_ | I need to install as I dont like gnome, but cannot install it |
| 11:49.01 | mha_ | trying to install kdelibs resulted in the above output |
| 11:49.05 | abrotman | mha_: so use the Debian packages for KDE .. you don' tneed to compile it |
| 11:49.30 | mha_ | abrotman: I don't need to, but I have tarballs on dvd |
| 11:49.49 | abrotman | then ask the kde people how to compile them |
| 11:50.00 | mha_ | thanks. I should install directly from net |
| 11:50.11 | abrotman | mha_: or aptitude install kde-full |
| 11:50.32 | mha_ | best solution |
| 11:50.42 | crapeau | exit |
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| 11:52.21 | dark-sun | yo guys, |
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| 11:52.59 | dark-sun | my hp cp 1215 printer does not print, shows an error in queue window. logs : http://pastebin.com/msdgGjVK |
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| 11:55.00 | dark-sun | i did a cups restart, hpijs package. hpijs package re-installation. result: nothing |
| 11:55.29 | dark-sun | hey, any1 can help me? |
| 11:55.54 | dark-sun | brb/ |
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| 11:56.57 | omes- | dark-sun: r we using txt-msg? |
| 11:57.23 | dark-sun_ | omes- yes, i think so. |
| 11:57.27 | omes- | i know i'm not one to hate after my little ascii rant up there, though :P |
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| 12:01.04 | omes- | dark-sun_: try just asking, maybe someone will answer |
| 12:01.53 | dark-sun_ | omes-: nice advice ;) |
| 12:02.00 | dark-sun_ | my hp cp 1215 printer does not print, shows an error in queue window. logs : http://pastebin.com/msdgGjVK |
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| 12:04.28 | dark-sun_ | my hp cp 1215 printer does not print, shows an error in queue window. logs : http://pastebin.com/msdgGjVK |
| 12:05.31 | abrotman | you don't have to repeat every five minutes .. |
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| 12:07.47 | dark-sun_ | abrotman: ooookay |
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| 12:08.24 | xguru | dark-sun_: nothing stuck out to me in the pastebin |
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| 12:08.55 | dark-sun_ | xguru: me too, not even a clue to goolge, that's why i'm here :S |
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| 12:11.25 | dark-sun_ | xguru: it just says: "There was a problem processing document 'xx.txt' (job##) |
| 12:11.33 | dark-sun_ | :( |
| 12:12.03 | xguru | can you print anything else? |
| 12:12.35 | dark-sun_ | yep, just a sec. |
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| 12:13.16 | dark-sun_ | xguru: http://pastebin.com/5eG1YRB2 |
| 12:13.24 | dark-sun_ | this a new one from error.log |
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| 12:14.03 | dark-sun_ | donno what's "Dirty file"! |
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| 12:14.33 | xguru | how did you install your print driver? |
| 12:14.43 | xguru | automagically? |
| 12:14.46 | dark-sun_ | xguru: yes |
| 12:15.15 | dark-sun_ | xguru: i did an update recently and i guess cups is updated too, maybe that's the problem |
| 12:15.39 | dark-sun_ | let me put cups.conf(s) |
| 12:15.46 | break3r | today there was a new cups update dark-sun_, maybe there is something for you fixed? |
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| 12:19.30 | xguru | dark-sun_: I would remove printer and cups and install them manually. |
| 12:19.46 | xguru | if you need a refernce site here is a good one: http://www.cups.org/doc-1.1/sam.html#4_3_2 |
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| 12:20.11 | Danielss89 | Hi.. |
| 12:20.25 | dark-sun_ | xguru: tnx, i'll give it a shot |
| 12:20.48 | Danielss89 | from my terminal on my mac, i ssh to my server, and run the command scp to copy some files to another server.. Can i make it finish, even if i close my terminal or disconnects? |
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| 12:21.26 | abrotman | Danielss89: if you would start with 'screen' before .. then you can disconnect and it will continue running |
| 12:21.33 | abrotman | if a mac has screen ... |
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| 12:22.01 | Danielss89 | abrotman: but isnt it on my server i should do something? |
| 12:22.21 | Danielss89 | something like screen scp ... |
| 12:22.33 | abrotman | read the screen docs |
| 12:22.52 | Danielss89 | yes but i mean, the command, it isnt on my mac it should be is it? |
| 12:22.56 | Danielss89 | its on the server |
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| 12:25.42 | dark-sun_ | http://pastebin.com/zx9ewSqF/ ; old and new cups.d files |
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| 12:31.08 | NoNaMeNo | I installed openswan and ipsec isolated the server automatically ~_~ |
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| 12:31.59 | nsadmin | is that good? |
| 12:32.18 | abrotman | i'm guessing nowt |
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| 12:32.19 | abrotman | not |
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| 12:33.25 | NoNaMeNo | no, it is not, as its default configuration should not be applied just installed, it doesn't even give the chance to edit the config file |
| 12:34.21 | nsadmin | why not edit it now? |
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| 12:34.36 | NoNaMeNo | well, that's what I'm up to |
| 12:35.00 | NoNaMeNo | but I had to go to the server and stop ipsec locally as i couldn't reach the server from the netwrok |
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| 12:35.37 | nsadmin | the thing is, that's how package installation works: two phases, first unpack, then configure |
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| 12:36.38 | NoNaMeNo | sure, but then should I expect an automatic restart after installing a kernel update? |
| 12:37.23 | nsadmin | this has something to do with the kernel? |
| 12:38.19 | ompaul__ | NoNaMeNo: no, you should expect you should restart |
| 12:39.36 | ompaul__ | NoNaMeNo: and further tests show that you should have a "if I can't get to the outside world and seem to be cut off I should perhaps reboot" kind of script at 1 hour intervals if service not restored with ever increasing ttls |
| 12:39.43 | ompaul__ | between reboots |
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| 12:41.04 | NoNaMeNo | I guess haven't done enough tests :p |
| 12:41.37 | nsadmin | a kernel is a different thing, while it's possible to start a new kernel without rebooting, it usually doesnt happen that way. rebooting the whole os is considered a very extreme action |
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| 12:42.15 | NoNaMeNo | I Knorrie nsadmin |
| 12:42.20 | NoNaMeNo | ups |
| 12:42.27 | NoNaMeNo | I know* |
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| 12:42.56 | NoNaMeNo | but then, if I can't reach the server, and I had this script that ompaul__ is talking about, I would have my server rebooted |
| 12:43.21 | NoNaMeNo | that's also "extreme" |
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| 12:55.26 | ompaul__ | NoNaMeNo: this is why when you build a server and install security, you allow for that security to fall away and you can gain access, for instance, a web server, you upgrade it you lose contact with it you have firewall rules something has stopped you from getting in, ipmi does this work for you, again if you have the network setup, there comes a point where you just need to visit the box. Your call on how you do stuff. |
| 12:56.26 | ompaul__ | NoNaMeNo and when I say security fall away turn off your services except vpn or sshd have a new set of firewall rules that kick in, and if you failed to do this plan for it next week |
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| 12:57.11 | omes- | ompaul: that makes no sense |
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| 12:58.59 | ompaul | omes-: I have a box on the internet it, it fails during an upgrade, how do I get in ipmi or some other method, I have to make arrangements to let myself in again either physical or not |
| 12:59.10 | Random832 | can i do a fresh install and leave my home directory alone even when it's not on a separate partition? |
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| 13:00.21 | ompaul | Random832: best not to |
| 13:01.01 | ompaul | Random832: I've not tried it, it is in theory possible, but the logistics are nasty |
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| 13:01.45 | omes- | ompaul: make sure it doesn't fail... and if it does then log in from a physical terminal |
| 13:01.47 | ompaul | Random832: best before your /home/ gets bigger to start afresh now and be good the next time |
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| 13:03.19 | slav0nic | anybody tried broadcom-sta drivers with 2.6.38 kernel? |
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| 13:05.07 | Random832 | ompaul: my /home is plenty big, i'm switching from ubuntu |
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| 13:05.21 | Random832 | i guess i can just make a backup |
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| 13:06.11 | ompaul | Random832: which is the best idea, in particular when you are switching distros etc |
| 13:06.39 | Random832 | 02:04.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection (rev 05) |
| 13:06.46 | Random832 | ^ does this require non-free driver/firmware? |
| 13:07.04 | Black_Prince | ,versions firmware-iwifi |
| 13:07.05 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'firmware-iwifi' was found in i386. |
| 13:07.10 | Black_Prince | ,versions firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 13:07.11 | judd | Package firmware-iwlwifi on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 0.14+lenny2; lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28; sid/non-free: 0.29; wheezy/non-free: 0.29 |
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| 13:08.29 | Black_Prince | According to firmware-iwlwifi description, it does not show that model |
| 13:08.44 | themill | ,info firmware-ipw2x00 |
| 13:08.45 | judd | Package firmware-ipw2x00 (non-free/kernel, optional) in squeeze/i386: Binary firmware for Intel Pro Wireless 2100, 2200 and 2915. Version: 0.28; Size: 509.6k; Installed: 1240k; Homepage: http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/firmware.php, http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/firmware.php |
| 13:09.22 | Black_Prince | *cough* |
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| 13:15.46 | ragnar76 | hi folks, i'm looking for a tool similar to "kgamma" for gnome. is there anything avail. for gnome in wheezy? |
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| 13:23.25 | abrotman | ragnar76: might help to say what that tool does |
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| 13:24.26 | ragnar76 | hi abrotman: setting brightness/color etc for monitors |
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| 13:27.39 | abrotman | ragnar76: honestly, i'm not sure of anything .. it may not be packaged |
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| 13:34.04 | cahoot | ragnar76: looked at gnome color profile(s)? |
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| 13:40.15 | ragnar76 | cahoot: i did, yes |
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| 13:41.37 | cahoot | ragnar76: a complete monitor profile is overkill for you? |
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| 13:44.14 | ragnar76 | cahoot: you have to know, i have 2 monitors and one of them displays a bit brighter and some colors are fading to green. if i have to use a profile then i will do |
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| 13:45.16 | cahoot | ragnar76: you could simply try xgamma 'by hand' |
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| 13:48.05 | Zitter | hi, how to know if my Intel has VT-x ? |
| 13:48.30 | petemc | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 13:48.41 | ragnar76 | Zitter: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 13:48.50 | ragnar76 | and then under "flags" |
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| 13:53.20 | Zitter | ragnar76, Do I have to search "vt" or something similar? so it seems I haven't: http://paste.debian.net/112753/ |
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| 13:54.36 | ragnar76 | Zitter: you don't have it |
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| 13:56.06 | Zitter | thanks. I have core2Duo so it's a bit strange, maybe I have to flasg something on bios, right? |
| 13:56.36 | pipeline | Zitter: core 2 duos all support VT. Most system firmware disables it by default. Dig around in your BIOS menu. |
| 13:56.45 | ragnar76 | Zitter: aifaik not every core2 has vt |
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| 13:57.32 | Zitter | ok, I check my BIOS settings |
| 13:57.46 | ragnar76 | Zitter: ckech wikipedia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_VT-x#Intel_virtualization_.28VT-x.29 |
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| 13:59.15 | alak | hello, how can i run wine proccess in background? cant do it with screen.. |
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| 14:05.13 | abrotman | nohup ? |
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| 14:06.40 | flaccid | wine & |
| 14:06.48 | morn | o.o |
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| 14:18.53 | Zitter | ok, not all Core2Duos have VT-x. I've digged my BIOS setting and there is no way to enable on my Core2 |
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| 14:38.38 | treebeen | Zitter: grep flags /proc/cpuinfo |
| 14:40.12 | treebeen | Zitter: look for vmx, and amd calls it svm I think |
| 14:40.16 | Zitter | http://paste.debian.net/112757/ |
| 14:41.27 | treebeen | Zitter: no, nothing |
| 14:42.07 | Zitter | actually I have "Intel Core2 Duo" stick on the case, but cpuinfo reports "Genuine Intel"... does it mean something? |
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| 14:52.35 | K-Yo | hello |
| 14:52.47 | K-Yo | how can I restart networking during a debian install? |
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| 14:55.14 | Guest7553 | ifup isn't defined and /etc/init.d/networking doesn't exist |
| 14:55.19 | Guest7553 | (yet) |
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| 14:55.59 | morn | why do you want to restart network? |
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| 14:56.25 | morn | you could do ifconfig eth0 down and then ifconfig eth0 up again |
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| 14:57.43 | Guest7553 | morn, well, I am doing a inet install |
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| 14:57.52 | Guest7553 | (didn't want to burn 52 discs) |
| 14:57.58 | Guest7553 | ifconfig isn't defined |
| 14:58.01 | Guest7553 | either |
| 14:58.27 | Guest7553 | -/bin/sh: ifconfig: not found |
| 14:58.35 | morn | is the tool "ip" installed? |
| 14:59.03 | morn | if you just want to obtain a dhcp address, you could use "dhclient eth0" |
| 14:59.20 | Guest7553 | yep |
| 14:59.37 | Guest7553 | morn: nope, I changed my hwaddress in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:59.49 | Guest7553 | my computer thinks he's ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff by default :/ |
| 15:00.01 | Guest7553 | I hape ip installed |
| 15:00.05 | morn | if ifupdown is not installed, /etc/network/interfaces has no function |
| 15:00.22 | Guest7553 | hmm |
| 15:00.32 | dark-sun | yo guys, my hp cp1215 printer still doesn't do printing, cups says "/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failed"; hp-check script says: http://pastebin.com/KfHhr3XP |
| 15:00.39 | Guest7553 | then how can I set a mac address before my installation? |
| 15:00.48 | morn | use "ip link set eth0 address 11:22:33:44:55:66" |
| 15:00.48 | omes- | Guest7553: then you should call your nic producer and tell them about it... |
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| 15:01.22 | morn | but remember that this changes the mac just till next reboot |
| 15:01.34 | Guest7553 | morn okay, that should be enough =) |
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| 15:02.32 | dark-sun|8D | "why so serious?" |
| 15:03.08 | dark-sun|8D | hp cp1215 printer still doesn't do printing, cups says "/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failed"; hp-check script says: http://pastebin.com/KfHhr3XP |
| 15:03.39 | dark-sun|8D | the poet says "please, please don't leave me". |
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| 15:09.00 | nicky | Hi, I got Debian 6.0 32Bit and Evolution, I'm using Gnome. After upgrade Evolution program, clock applet doesn't show events, but numbers of days are bold as there is an event. How can I fix it? |
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| 15:09.39 | dark-sun|8D | i have no idea |
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| 15:13.41 | dark-sun|8D | hp cp1215 printer still doesn't do printing, cups says "/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failed"; hp-check script says: http://pastebin.com/KfHhr3XP |
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| 15:15.13 | dark-sun|8D | still chasing google's ass |
| 15:15.29 | ivanrdg | Hello! I'm getting this error after enabling bash-completion in Debian 5.0: vi /-sh: <( compgen -d -- '/' ): No such file or directory |
| 15:15.29 | ivanrdg | -sh: <( eval compgen -f -X '*.@(o|so|so.!(conf)|a|rpm|gif|GIF|jp?(e)g|JP?(E)G|mp3|MP3|mp?(e)g|MPG|avi|AVI|asf|ASF|ogg|OGG|class|CLASS)' -- $(quote_readline $cur) ): No such file or directory |
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| 15:15.55 | ivanrdg | anyone had the same problem? |
| 15:15.58 | themill | dark-sun|8D: (a) stop mindlessly repeating; at least demonstrate that you've thought about your problem between repeats that perhaps should be several hours apart; /msg dpkg repeat. (b) it looks like you want #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org not #debian. We have no idea how their packages or configuration differs and nor do we want to know. |
| 15:18.28 | dark-sun|8D | themill: ok, fine! i was there i thought people in here are more *cool*, i go now |
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| 15:24.28 | DrunkDwarf | anyone around who can help? |
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| 15:26.02 | Guest7553 | morn, thank you very much, it works perfectly |
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| 15:26.31 | pipeline | ivanrdg: suggestion: install debian |
| 15:26.33 | karlpinc | wanted so badly to be *cool* |
| 15:26.56 | themill | sticks karlpinc in an ice bucket |
| 15:27.00 | ivanrdg | pipeline, i have debian 5.0 |
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| 15:32.15 | WormFood | how in the hell do I mount a hfsplus (osx) formatted device where it will allow me to set the uid and gid to what I want? or how to set the permissions so that I can read them as a user? This is driving me crazy. There are no hfsplus filesystem options in the mount manpage. |
| 15:33.35 | WormFood | I can figure out no way to make the files readable as a normal user, only root can read them....this is stupid...why in the fuck would Linux be trying to map apple UIDs anyways? |
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| 15:37.20 | fken | Hello. I would like to create a new GNU/Linux account thanks to a system() call in a php webpage. But of course there is a permission issue. Do you know how to proceed and how to keep some security ? |
| 15:39.57 | fken | NB: I have a dedicated webserver. and I need to merge a GNU/Linux accountcreation sh script and a php intranet platform (I would like creating an account on that intranet, create an email address and a GNU/Linux account |
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| 15:44.24 | WormFood | fken, basically you want to call a shell script as suid? |
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| 15:44.33 | fken | WormFood: yes |
| 15:44.39 | WormFood | can't do it |
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| 15:44.56 | WormFood | you'll need to make a wrapper, to call your shell script |
| 15:45.01 | WormFood | and make that wrapper suid |
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| 15:45.23 | WormFood | and if your scripting language is bash, you may need to add an option for bash too |
| 15:45.27 | fken | WormFood: Can you tell me about how to make that wrapper ? |
| 15:45.37 | WormFood | hold on |
| 15:45.37 | llutz | fken: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/556194/calling-a-script-from-a-setuid-root-c-program-script-does-not-run-as-root |
| 15:45.47 | fken | WormFood: Yes it's bash |
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| 15:46.09 | fken | thanks llutz |
| 15:46.17 | WormFood | you'll need to use the -p option with bash |
| 15:46.32 | WormFood | fuckin' crazy...won't work right without the -p option |
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| 15:48.14 | WormFood | fken, I hope you know a little C, because I'm gonna squeeze this all on one line |
| 15:48.41 | fken | WormFood: no problem |
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| 15:49.06 | kaushal | Hi |
| 15:49.11 | WormFood | #include <stdio.h> #include <unistd.h> int main(void) { char * var[]={ "/path/to/script.sh", 0}; return execv(*var, var ); } |
| 15:49.21 | WormFood | I'm not responsible for any damages caused by that ;) |
| 15:49.23 | kaushal | Are there certification courses available for Debain ? |
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| 15:50.11 | fken | WormFood: 0 is for suid ? |
| 15:50.21 | WormFood | no |
| 15:50.47 | WormFood | chmod to something like 4777 |
| 15:50.59 | WormFood | or whatever it suitable for you |
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| 15:51.25 | fken | I meant, with your code it will call /path/to/script.sh as root ? |
| 15:51.36 | WormFood | actually, I needed a suid shell script, but I did not want it to run as root...I needed it to run as another user....but that is the wrapper I used |
| 15:51.40 | WormFood | NO! |
| 15:51.43 | fken | ok |
| 15:51.47 | WormFood | all is does is call the script |
| 15:51.54 | WormFood | it is only a wrapper |
| 15:52.04 | WormFood | suid is a function of the kernel/shell |
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| 15:52.38 | WormFood | you need to chmod and chown the binary to be the user and uid/gid you want |
| 15:52.47 | WormFood | I mean.... |
| 15:52.55 | WormFood | you need to chmod and chown the binary to be the permissions and uid/gid you want |
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| 15:53.37 | WormFood | fken, I've given you everything you need to know. If you still have questions, then google :P |
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| 15:55.02 | fken | ok WormFood. Well thank you. Now I may stop killing my debian trying to chmod /etcpasswd and such stupid stuffs I checked... |
| 15:55.32 | ekix | hi. am i missing something or is it really so that debian/unstable (x86) does not have the "classic" mesa dri drivers any more (for r300/r600)? |
| 15:55.40 | WormFood | where did your shell script come from, and why are you trying to use it? |
| 15:56.11 | WormFood | ekix, did you check non-free or whatever extra repos you need to have a functioning system? |
| 15:56.13 | fken | WormFood: I made it in order to automatically create email and Linux account |
| 15:56.41 | WormFood | and how are you doing it...what commands are you calling to make the user account? |
| 15:56.46 | ekix | WormFood, i use the non-free repo, but nothing there |
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| 15:57.01 | ekix | and i believe that the "classic" dri drivers are all free software |
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| 15:57.35 | WormFood | what is the r300/600? I don't remember off the top of my head...I want to say a matrox card or something like that, but can't remember now |
| 15:57.57 | ekix | WormFood, for example, radeon 9800 pro uses the r300 driver |
| 15:58.08 | WormFood | oh, nvidia |
| 15:58.18 | WormFood | yeah...their internal numbers |
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| 15:58.31 | ekix | ati, not nvidia :) |
| 15:58.37 | fken | WormFood: useradd mkpasswd maildirmake chown (because root created the dir) /usr/sbin/usermod, /usr/sbin/userdb and makeuserdb |
| 15:58.54 | WormFood | I'm running a 9500GT |
| 16:00.00 | fken | WormFood: there must be another way to do it but I had to understand how to mount an imap-courier / postfix server using SSL in one unique day |
| 16:00.27 | Zitter | is it possible to create an ubuntuone app like in debian? is there a similar solution, something to use it with friends? |
| 16:00.27 | WormFood | I've been running courier-imapd for a long time |
| 16:01.02 | fken | WormFood: I've a completely crazy customer which make me work on a production server directly... |
| 16:01.37 | WormFood | fken, why do you do things the hard way? |
| 16:02.01 | fken | WormFood: Because I didnt found another one |
| 16:02.27 | fken | WormFood: my girlfriend just arrive. Could I meet you in 15 minutes ? |
| 16:02.45 | WormFood | fken, maybe...it is after midnight here |
| 16:02.54 | WormFood | I'll probably still be around |
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| 16:16.10 | cosmo | i just installed etch, where is my xorg.conf? |
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| 16:18.27 | samael | hello |
| 16:19.04 | babilen | cosmo: /etc/X11/xorg.conf maybe -- Why did you install etch? |
| 16:19.05 | samael | how can I install a BDF font on debian? (sid) |
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| 16:20.12 | cosmo | babilen: its not in /etc/X11. installed etch just because |
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| 16:21.46 | babilen | cosmo: XF86Config ? (haven't used etch in ages) |
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| 16:23.40 | nrth | cosmo, http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg |
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| 16:23.43 | abrotman | cosmo: did you install the xserver-xorg package? |
| 16:23.54 | nrth | should be where babilen mentioned. |
| 16:23.59 | babilen | cosmo: Running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" should get you one though |
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| 16:24.27 | babilen | cosmo: ah, yes. Is xserver-xorg installed at all? |
| 16:24.53 | cosmo | abrotman: yes already the newest version |
| 16:24.56 | babilen | cosmo: And I can't help it, but I'm still curious ... why etch? |
| 16:25.21 | cosmo | newer is better, for what its worth |
| 16:25.31 | cosmo | even if unstable in some areas |
| 16:25.41 | babilen | etch is quite old :-\ |
| 16:25.43 | abrotman | cosmo: etch is from about 5 years ago |
| 16:25.47 | abrotman | !release history |
| 16:25.47 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06). The next release will be Wheezy. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparc |
| 16:25.49 | cosmo | oh what |
| 16:26.25 | babilen | cosmo: You might want to try squeeze ;) |
| 16:26.26 | nrth | that's cool. |
| 16:26.28 | abrotman | eh .. four years .. |
| 16:26.35 | abrotman | is so old .. |
| 16:26.46 | cosmo | just one second |
| 16:26.46 | babilen | !abrotman history |
| 16:26.54 | babilen | grmmml |
| 16:27.06 | cosmo | how do i find what version of debian im using? |
| 16:27.11 | cosmo | i doubt im using etch |
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| 16:27.14 | abrotman | cosmo: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 16:27.30 | cosmo | wheezy/sid |
| 16:27.31 | cosmo | oh |
| 16:27.33 | nrth | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:27.48 | babilen | cosmo: Ah, that changes quite a bit. |
| 16:27.56 | babilen | !tell cosmo -about empty xorg.conf |
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| 16:28.03 | babilen | !tell cosmo -about xorg.conf.d |
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| 16:29.25 | babilen | !tell cosmo -about configure x |
| 16:29.36 | babilen | cosmo: That should get you started -- What are you trying to do? |
| 16:30.03 | cosmo | get my silly ALPS/Glidepoint to work on my fujitsu laptop |
| 16:30.11 | cosmo | so when i tap it, it clicks |
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| 16:35.02 | babilen | cosmo: Create a file, for example 30-trackpad.conf, in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and place your configuration in there. IIRC alps trackpads are handled by synaptics as well, read "man synaptics" |
| 16:36.02 | babilen | cosmo: Create a "InputDevice" section in that file and set the options you want. You are probably looking for TapButton1 |
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| 16:38.27 | babilen | cosmo: See http://paste.debian.net/112773/ for an example |
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| 16:39.10 | babilen | cosmo: except s/InputClass/InputDevice ;) |
| 16:39.42 | m3lvin | I need some help, I foolishly tried to update to firefox 4.0-3 using experimental repos and now it crashes any time I attempt to click on any menu's, I've purged the 4 and went back to the testing version 3.5.18-1 and deleted the .mozilla folder and purged flash plugin just in case. The crashes still occur, so I'm suspecting that one of the dependencies that firefox uses got updated to experimental and is causing the crashes. ... |
| 16:39.48 | m3lvin | ... Is there a way to find out what firefox dependency is installed from experimental and reinstall it from the testing repo? |
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| 16:40.21 | jhutchins_lt | m3lvin: xulrunner maybe? |
| 16:40.23 | babilen | m3lvin: Look into your aptitude.log to see which packages got upgrade with it. I suspect xulrunner |
| 16:41.21 | m3lvin | babilen: Thanks, I think you are right, I remember seeing xulrunner in the list of updated packages. I'll check the log. |
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| 16:42.10 | SparFux | Hi. In /var/lib/dpkg/available there are packages listed which I once created with make-kpkg and then removed. How can I get rid of these entries? |
| 16:43.04 | babilen | !tell SparFux -about available |
| 16:43.30 | babilen | SparFux: Why do you care? |
| 16:43.55 | SparFux | babilen: it's not so nice to have these errors. that's why. :-\ |
| 16:43.58 | SparFux | thx for info. |
| 16:44.18 | babilen | SparFux: Which errors? Sounded like a cosmetic issue |
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| 16:45.01 | SparFux | it is, I think. like this: dpkg: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 14303 package 'linux-headers-2.6.31-rc8': \\ error in Version string 'nouveau.1': version number does not start with digit |
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| 16:45.23 | SparFux | but there is no more linux-headers-2.6.31-rc8 |
| 16:45.30 | babilen | SparFux: Ah, yes. The factoid should help with that. Good luck! |
| 16:45.38 | SparFux | factoid? |
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| 16:45.50 | babilen | SparFux: The info you received from dpkg |
| 16:45.59 | SparFux | ah, ok. |
| 16:46.04 | babilen | !factoid |
| 16:46.04 | dpkg | A factoid is something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print, or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated information, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something. This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid". |
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| 16:46.25 | resuni | karlpinc: you alive? |
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| 16:46.44 | babilen | resuni: We put him in a bucket of ice and he has not yet recovered |
| 16:47.00 | resuni | how long ago was this? |
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| 16:47.27 | babilen | resuni: about an hour, why? |
| 16:47.40 | resuni | hmm |
| 16:48.08 | resuni | lets give him another hour :P |
| 16:49.24 | SparFux | babilen: seems to have worked :-) |
| 16:49.33 | babilen | SparFux: Wonderful :) |
| 16:50.17 | gsr | Hello all. I am running Ubuntu 10.04 (kernel 2.6.35), and the torrent application Vuze. Sometimes, when attempting to allocate a large file, it gets stuck at 0%. If I close (or kill -9) Vuze, a Java process remains. It's listed as a zombie by ps, taking up 100% of one CPU. I cannot kill the process, and the parent is gone (so it has no parent). Is there any way to kill it besides restarting? |
| 16:50.51 | babilen | gsr: Try #ubuntu |
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| 16:58.15 | fken | WormFood: sorry. I am late |
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| 17:02.15 | m3lvin | babilen: So I've been looking at the logs about iceweasel and purged xulrunner and went back to the previous version of it, the crashes still happen as before so I figured it's not xulrunner and the packages that were upgraded include libmozjs2d libmozjs4d libcairo2 1.8.10-6 -> 1.10.2-6, I've purged the js but with cairo I'm not sure how to get it back to 1.8.10-6, there are a bunch of packages that depend on it and it's not ... |
| 17:02.21 | m3lvin | ... allowing me to continue, is there a downgrade flag in aptitude or similar? |
| 17:03.04 | babilen | m3lvin: There is not. What are you running right now? |
| 17:03.25 | babilen | (Which version of Debian?) |
| 17:03.36 | m3lvin | babilen: debian testing mainly |
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| 17:04.39 | babilen | m3lvin: You can downgrade the packages by installing the version in testing manually (dpkg -i) ... Another way would be to pin wheezy to a priority >=1001 which will allow downgrades ... |
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| 17:04.56 | babilen | m3lvin: You are allowed to keep the pieces if it breaks |
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| 17:06.05 | m3lvin | babilen: I'll try manually, thanks for the help. |
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| 17:06.28 | babilen | m3lvin: Good luck. (fwiw IW 4 works without a problem here) |
| 17:06.42 | simonlnu | same |
| 17:06.51 | simonlnu | very stable, fast |
| 17:07.08 | simonlnu | starts to slow down if you have a lot of extensions ;) |
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| 17:09.05 | m3lvin | Good to know, I've managed to get it working the first time I tried from squeezy backports and it didn't even feel like firefox anymore, even uzbl felt kind of slow compared to v4, but I know my problems are due to having a mixed testing/unstable which has been a pretty big mess for the last 6 months, just haven't had time to clean it up. |
| 17:09.36 | frikinz | Is there no way to start it from command line and get some info? |
| 17:09.42 | simonlnu | squeeze bp ? |
| 17:10.18 | babilen | squeeze! not squeezy ... It is not that we have a slow transition from squeeze to wheezy with every point release (squeezy, meezy, wabeezy, whoolezy, ..) |
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| 17:10.48 | simonlnu | squeeze, wheezy. though i also find squeezy cute, but in a very disturbing way (like ubuntu naming) |
| 17:10.54 | simonlnu | haha |
| 17:10.57 | babilen | yeah |
| 17:11.10 | babilen | squeezes simonlnu |
| 17:11.11 | m3lvin | Yep, squeeze, sorry :D #deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports iceweasel-4.0 |
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| 17:12.01 | simonlnu | *squishy* |
| 17:12.18 | ompaul | that is not a debian package, it is a package built for debian a different animal altogether |
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| 17:16.07 | mintux | I have two INTERNET connection with two ip.i can now active just one of my connection.is it possible to use two of my Internet connection together? means one of my connection use in desktop and firefox and etc and another connection be in just session and use it for download ? |
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| 17:16.36 | frikinz | how can df give Available 0 and Used is still increasing? I'm running low on space during an upgrade.. |
| 17:18.14 | jelly-home | frikinz: a certain amount of block space is reserved for one user (root by default) |
| 17:18.59 | frikinz | jelly-home: ah ok df avail. does not show the 5% then. ok thanks. |
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| 17:19.14 | mintux | is it possible? |
| 17:19.22 | jelly-home | frikinz: this is filesystem dependant. On ext[234] it can be tuned using tune2fs, dunno about other fses |
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| 17:19.34 | ompaul | mintux: check this out eth0:1 and then you need to divide your routing, some to default and some to not |
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| 17:20.14 | frikinz | jelly-home: yes ext4. good that this time i did not remove the 5% :) |
| 17:20.33 | jelly-home | mintux: possible, yes. /msg dpkg split access |
| 17:21.16 | jelly-home | mintux: examine the lartc.org link from that factoid |
| 17:22.36 | cosmo | not sure if this is the right place to ask but, when i try to view something on youtube firefox freezes and give sthis error in console http://paste.debian.net/112781/ |
| 17:23.07 | mintux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:39.53 | m3lvin | Well installing libcairo manually worked, and firefox is now working as it should with the 3.5.18 version which is enough for me to get back to work. Although now aptitude wants to upgrade libcairo2, I suppose I should use pinning to keep it in the stable version. Just to clarify all of you running iceweasel 4 are using libcairo2-1.10.2-6 without issues? |
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| 17:45.22 | frikinz | I've iceweasel 4 with no problem against libcairo2 1.10.2-4 and I'm now upgrading to full unstable.. in 8mn I could tell you m3lvin .. or not :) |
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| 17:46.17 | LordDoskias | in /etc/syslog.conf the mail.none level means nothing for the mail subsystem will be logged? |
| 17:46.55 | m3lvin | Maybe I should go to unstable also... |
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| 17:47.47 | frikinz | I did not do any upgrade since the last release as its a dev machine. but now I was fed up with 800 packages to upgrade so I did it.. |
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| 17:48.45 | erAbuelo | buenas |
| 17:48.47 | ompaul | m3lvin: if that is the case and you go that way be aware that testing / unstable and above all need to be dist-upgradeed not just upgraded (just in case you were not aware) |
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| 17:51.07 | m3lvin | ompaul: I'm aware, thanks though... I'll probably mess it up even further, I'll give it a go once I've got some time to fix things. |
| 17:52.17 | toropisco | erAbuelo: please use #debian-es for Spanish support. (El soporte en castellano ocurre en #debian.es). |
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| 18:13.12 | frikinz | m3lvin: no crash here with libcairo in unstable. I'm running an old xserver-xorg though due to a binary only graphic driver (sis). |
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| 18:15.07 | m3lvin | frikinz: thanks, I'll try upgrading later |
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| 18:31.17 | kaste | hi i'm in a bit of a pickle, i was in the middle of an apt-get upgrade when the raid controller faile, now i have messy files and dont' seem to get anywhere |
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| 18:34.13 | ompaul | offers kaste a new raidcontroller and backups |
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| 18:34.49 | m3lvin | frikinz: since you mentioned xserver-xorg I looked at what xquartz version I was using on mac os and updated it, turns out I was quite a few versions behind, after updating it, firefox v4.03 with libcairo2-1.10.2-4 works perfectly, thanks for the hint :) |
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| 18:35.21 | kaste | actually we do backup even though this is a toy server mostly, but i'd love to fix it without rebuilding that thing |
| 18:36.00 | gpkvt | hi, i got a strange problem here with my do-it-yourself NAS. it's a raid6 with 4x2tb hdds. everything works fine until i copy files to the server using SMB/AFP. then the system just restarts or i got a kernel panic. any ideas? the board is a jetway with a dual core atom. |
| 18:36.00 | ompaul | raid controller failed you don't know what it wrote where - in some cases it just dumps garbage all over the place on its way to standing still |
| 18:36.40 | pipeline | gpkvt: probably bad hardware :\ |
| 18:36.41 | kaste | first thing was /var/lib/dpkg/status being broken which i got back from /var/backups/whatever now i am at http://dpaste.org/4jX6/ |
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| 18:37.02 | kaste | i know ompaul |
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| 18:37.11 | kaste | still i'd love to try |
| 18:37.22 | gpkvt | pipeline: yeah, but when i just work locally everything is fine. downloading, copy files, etc. |
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| 18:38.44 | SparFux | In my /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ I have placed some essential scripts to setup ipv6 tunnel and some dnsalias services. It seems, there is no DNS available on pppd launch so these scripts fail on bootup and I have to run them manually for the first time. then everything is ok. How can I ensure, DNS is up and running before those scripts are run? |
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| 18:40.03 | gpkvt | pipeline: also I tried freenas (bsd based) and there is also everything fine. |
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| 18:41.36 | Corin | So, the Canterbury Project was just a joke? :'( |
| 18:41.43 | gpkvt | are there any known issues with a r8169 network chip with squeeze? |
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| 18:42.04 | ompaul | Corin: yes, but now it has been said ... strange things may happen in terms of project interconnects |
| 18:42.30 | Corin | Hmm |
| 18:42.33 | simonlnu | Corin: duh. look at when it was released. |
| 18:42.52 | tonytraductor | Hi guys, can only stay a minute, but, wanted to alert the crew, in chromium-browser, all extensions are crashing, the browser won't load any pages. more info at pastebin:http://pastebin.com/sCJayLPk |
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| 18:43.08 | simonlnu | WorksForMe |
| 18:43.19 | tonytraductor | google-chrome-unstable seems to be working, but not chromium-browser |
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| 18:43.32 | simonlnu | so file a bug |
| 18:43.35 | tonytraductor | oh, this is on squeeze, amd64 |
| 18:43.39 | simonlnu | it's not the bts here |
| 18:44.10 | tonytraductor | well, I wouldn't file a bug if the problem were simply at my end, which is why I'm stopping in here. |
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| 18:44.25 | Arch_ | Ok so I have an interesting issue here...I just ran an update and now any clearlooks based theme is laggy. Does this sound familiar to anyone? Any way to diagnose this? |
| 18:44.31 | tonytraductor | to see if anybody else is having this problem, or can help identify what happened. |
| 18:44.38 | simonlnu | o_O |
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| 18:44.58 | tonytraductor | it was working fine, I've been using it as my default browser, hadn't updated anything in a week, and suddenly it just crashed while I was loading gmail. |
| 18:45.23 | tonytraductor | I googled to see if anybody had noted a similar problem, but found nothing significantly similar |
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| 18:46.08 | tonytraductor | in the meantime, I'm using iceweasel (thankfully, just yesterday I had exported my chromium bookmarks and imported to iceweasel!) |
| 18:47.09 | tonytraductor | I'm wondering if I should try using chromium on another maachine, since it seems to be a problem with the sync (which is working in google's browser) |
| 18:47.29 | tonytraductor | considering this: ERROR:chrome/browser/sync/notifier/registration_manager.cc(127)] Registration failed with code: 12 |
| 18:48.00 | tonytraductor | the thing is,t he only other machine I have in the house with chromium is running peppermint, so that might not be conclusive (well, unless it crashes with same error) |
| 18:48.17 | tonytraductor | well, anyway, I've got to get out of here. I suppose I'll work more on this later. |
| 18:48.28 | MattAdams | So if I want a 64bit install on a Core 2 Duo I need to use the amd64 install, right? |
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| 18:50.43 | aguitel | what is the equivalent in lxde of gdm3? |
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| 18:51.50 | SparFux | Ok. It's definitely the DNS problem. I think it's because all my DNS depends on dnsmasq running and it might not be started before pppd. So I need to tweak debian to start dnsmasq before pppd, and this while using insserv :-P |
| 18:51.51 | MrFrood | aguitel: in Debain I think LXDE still uses GDM but if you want something more light-weight take a look at SLiM |
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| 18:52.21 | aguitel | MrFrood, ok |
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| 18:53.45 | Bushmills | SparFux: do you have internet connection before ppp is up? |
| 18:55.11 | SparFux | bushmills: no. I am beginning to understand all this now. The network is kind of hackish, I have always thought, but I am a novice. Anyway, the dnsmasq is run, even for only local DNS, I configured it like this. The ppp0 is set up by pppd and this in turn is run by ifupdown which I configured in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 18:55.26 | SparFux | Bushmills: so I have to make sure, dnsmasq is run at bootup before the ifupdown. |
| 18:55.34 | Bushmills | how is dnsmasq supposed to query non-local name servers without internet? |
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| 18:56.18 | SparFux | Bushmills: well, I want pppd to setup internet connection and then start the ip-up.d files. |
| 18:56.47 | SparFux | Bushmills: the dnsmasq should just be started, it will forward queries to the internet, if it's not there already, it will just fail. |
| 18:56.59 | Bushmills | for local hosts, have those in your /etc/hosts. dnsmasq can/will read that to resolve hosts in there to other machines, while at the same time you don't need dnsmasq for resolving them on the local machine |
| 18:57.31 | SparFux | Bushmills: true. but I run it anyway. perhaps it's crap to do it like this, though. |
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| 18:59.26 | SparFux | Bushmills: in my scenario I want to run a local dns and forward everything to the internet. this means, the local dns server has to be started before the pppd, because otherwise, scripts in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d cannot use dns. :-) |
| 18:59.42 | SparFux | Bushmills: because, my /etc/resolv.conf points to 127.0.0.1 running dnsmasq as dns server only. |
| 19:00.29 | SparFux | I think it makes sense to start dnsmasq before any pppd internet connection stuff. I have to do this in the insserv headers though. I think I need Require-start in /etc/init.d/ifupdown |
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| 19:02.27 | SparFux | I can simply add "dnsmasq" to Required-start I think. |
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| 19:03.01 | SparFux | Or $named, but I think I'll use dnsmasq. |
| 19:04.06 | SparFux | on next bootup I'll know :-) |
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| 19:04.49 | SparFux | I don't like tweaking debian scripts on such a deep level. Is there a command to show diffs of files in /etc/ to the debian shipped original files? |
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| 19:08.17 | SparFux | You think, bug #398958 is exactly the problem? |
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| 19:09.11 | SparFux | This guy might have exactly the same problem. |
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| 19:09.41 | SparFux | He doesn't mention wether using insserv, but I think it's the default. |
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| 19:09.45 | b_52light | hi |
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| 19:10.47 | SparFux | hi b_52light |
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| 19:13.22 | b_52light | plz i'm having problem with wget -O - http://backports.org/debian/archive.key | apt-key add - |
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| 19:13.50 | b_52light | it doen't find any key any one know an alternative mirror ? |
| 19:14.44 | Bushmills | b_52light: does wget http://... download anything? |
| 19:14.55 | MrFrood | isn't backports part of the regular repro system now? |
| 19:15.08 | Stupendoussteve | Yes it is |
| 19:15.11 | b_52light | Bushmills, wget result 404 |
| 19:15.34 | Bushmills | no such file |
| 19:15.44 | b_52light | yeap |
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| 19:15.59 | Stupendoussteve | b_52light: Did you read the instructions on backports.debian.org? I believe they're signed with the normal key |
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| 19:16.38 | SparFux | b_52light: http://backports.org/debian/archive.key gives me 404, too. |
| 19:17.38 | MrFrood | b_52light: SparFux see Stupendoussteve answer to my quwstion |
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| 19:18.38 | ckelly | hi. can anyone tell me whether the net install is testing stable or unstable. |
| 19:18.54 | MrFrood | ckelly: stable |
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| 19:19.06 | ckelly | thanks |
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| 19:19.44 | ckelly | I guess I'll be reinstalling then :( |
| 19:20.37 | maher | is there a pdf viewer that shows the pdf in window1, and lets you see all the pages in window2, so that you can pick a page in window2 and have it display is window1? |
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| 19:20.56 | Stupendoussteve | ckelly: Why? |
| 19:21.10 | Bushmills | maher: several, including evince |
| 19:21.33 | ckelly | oh |
| 19:21.40 | ckelly | duh |
| 19:21.44 | maher | Bushmills: ok - how do i do that in evince say? |
| 19:21.55 | ckelly | I can just change sources.list, right? |
| 19:22.01 | Stupendoussteve | Yes |
| 19:22.09 | ckelly | great :) thanks |
| 19:22.10 | Bushmills | pull left grippy bar towards right |
| 19:22.17 | MrFrood | maher: many will allow a pane that show thumbnails |
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| 19:23.02 | maher | Bushmills: MrFrood: i can see the thumbnails in the side bar - but clicking on them changes the page in the same window, not some other window |
| 19:23.03 | Bushmills | or F9 |
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| 19:25.12 | maher | mu setup is this - I'm going to have a projector plugged in to my laptop, so I can run the projector and the laptop screen independently - I want to show the pdf on the projector, but see all the thumbnails on the laptop, so I can just jump between slides |
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| 19:25.25 | maher | s/mu/my/ |
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| 19:30.43 | MrFrood | maher: the only thing I can think of is to have a look through the man pages and see if any of thr readers can be controlled by a fifo pipe |
| 19:31.37 | maher | Bushmills: MrFrood: ok - the type of program i am looking for is called a pdf presenter, and there are some packaged for debian... thanks! |
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| 19:37.05 | frikinz | Is there a tool to do inline modification of a deb? Like adding a dependency? Rather than unar, modify, ar.. |
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| 19:39.33 | jmarsden | frikinz: In general, I think you should be using higher level tools than ar to create and update .debs for Debian. For example, you should edit the debian/changelog to indicate who added the new dependency, and increment the version of the package appropriately also. |
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| 19:39.45 | Levikov | ÐдÑавÑÑвÑйÑе |
| 19:39.52 | jmarsden | !ru |
| 19:39.52 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here. |
| 19:40.06 | Levikov | ÐомогиÑе мне пожалÑйÑÑа наÑÑÑоиÑÑ ÐºÐ¾Ð¼Ð¿Ð¸Ð· на дебиане |
| 19:40.07 | omes- | jmarsden: higher level tools? |
| 19:40.26 | Levikov | Debian 6 + Compiz + ATI HOW TO ? |
| 19:40.27 | jmarsden | omes-: dpkg-buildpackage for example :) |
| 19:40.52 | frikinz | jmarsden: I've just done the deb myself so I've added with dch an entry. It's just that I forgot again a dependency |
| 19:41.11 | Bushmills | frikinz: actually, you can midnight commander, open a .deb with enter, navigate through it, and edit control file with F4 |
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| 19:41.18 | Bushmills | can use |
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| 19:41.32 | frikinz | ok. I just thought about this after trying with vim :) |
| 19:41.35 | frikinz | Bushmills: thanks |
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| 19:42.08 | omes- | Bushmills: yuk :P |
| 19:42.23 | omes- | mc is the sign of anti-christ! :P |
| 19:42.26 | Bushmills | omes-: feel free to offer a better alternative |
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| 19:42.47 | omes- | well, i would vote for jmarsden's solution |
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| 19:43.11 | frikinz | omes-: no, that's exactly what I'm not looking for |
| 19:43.23 | omes- | frikinz: then you're doing it wrong (tm) |
| 19:43.42 | Levikov | !ru |
| 19:43.42 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here. |
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| 19:45.58 | Levikov | people |
| 19:46.11 | Levikov | how to install debian 6 + compiz + ati ? |
| 19:46.46 | Levikov | :-( |
| 19:47.21 | Bushmills | !aptitude |
| 19:47.21 | dpkg | from memory, aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude docs> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
| 19:47.30 | Bushmills | Levikov: ^^^ |
| 19:47.48 | Bushmills | !netinst |
| 19:47.48 | dpkg | [netinst] a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 19:47.56 | Bushmills | Levikov: ^^^ |
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| 19:48.49 | Bushmills | i won't try !ati because i don't know whether there's a factoid for ati. but the debian wiki should know |
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| 19:49.21 | Levikov | !aptitude |
| 19:49.21 | dpkg | somebody said aptitude was a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude docs> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
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| 20:04.10 | robert_ | where are the openoffice sdk examples? |
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| 20:07.22 | erAbuelo | buenas |
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| 20:11.18 | samson_ | hi, i have a problem where I can't connect to irc from pidgin or xchat, and I cannot connect to gmail from icedove, but pinging the ips does work |
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| 20:11.54 | samson_ | i know it isn't debian related because this is true on multiple pcs at my home, but i don't know where to go or what to do? |
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| 20:17.08 | peta | hello guys |
| 20:17.25 | samson_ | hi peta |
| 20:17.47 | peta | Is anybody around being comfortable with dissassemblers? |
| 20:18.08 | Bushmills | samson_: firewall |
| 20:18.37 | Bushmills | peta: yes: assembly coders and reverse engineers |
| 20:18.38 | samson_ | Bushmills, but i don't use firewalls on my linux machines, never have, and this just started happening |
| 20:19.21 | karlpinc | !tell peta about anyone |
| 20:19.32 | Bushmills | samson_: can you ping host names, instead of ip addresses? |
| 20:19.58 | samson_ | haven't tried, i'll try really quick |
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| 20:21.01 | samson_ | pinging smtp.gmail.com works |
| 20:21.35 | Bushmills | try telnet smtp.gmail.com 25 |
| 20:21.35 | peta | I have a shared library file (*.so) and disassembled it with IDA, tracked down the control flow to a certain point where I want to make a modification (change a jnz into a jmp). Can I do this directly in IDA or must I use a special disassembler/editor for linux? |
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| 20:21.55 | rubin110 | Is there something like alsamixer, but for dsp? |
| 20:22.20 | samson_ | Bushmills, the telnet is working |
| 20:22.36 | samson_ | Connected to gmail-smtp-msa.l.google.com. |
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| 20:23.27 | Bushmills | samson_: doesn't seem a network problem. look at the app which causes problems |
| 20:23.41 | Bushmills | especially its configurationm |
| 20:24.05 | samson_ | Bushmills, but how can it be a problem with icedove, pidgin, xchat, and the email app on my ipod? |
| 20:24.13 | frikinz | peta: any hex editor will do, take a pattern around, search, modify |
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| 20:24.40 | frikinz | peta: ghex for example |
| 20:25.47 | peta | frikinz: i knew that i can alter data (strings, values, asf.) but not that code instructions will work too. could you explain me a little bit more? |
| 20:26.15 | Bushmills | peta: depends on your goal. just patching the file with a hex editor will not allow you to re-assemble it at will, from source. but latter will require you to do a lot more work on massaging and reviewing the disassemble |
| 20:26.47 | Bushmills | alternative may be to use free software, if any available. |
| 20:26.51 | peta | I have a jnz instruction which i want to change into a jmp ... that's the plan :) |
| 20:26.54 | frikinz | peta: well, you can alter any byte, data or code. |
| 20:27.18 | frikinz | unless the so is self decrypting, self decompressing,.. |
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| 20:32.13 | frikinz | ghex: "Good for editing saved game files" :) |
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| 20:32.44 | ckelly | If I want to convert my installation to a rolling release, do I need to replace squeeze with wheezy everywhere in the sources.list file? |
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| 20:34.38 | ckelly | or do I change it to testing? |
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| 20:37.08 | samson_ | Bushmills, thank you for the help, i ended up doing what i didn't want to do, which is reset the router to defaults, and it seems to be fine now, don't know what caused the problem though |
| 20:38.33 | kaosko | hello, anybody able to help me building coova-chilli package on amd64 ubuntu? the issue is that .deb produced by dpkg-buildpackage doesn't include the executables |
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| 20:38.56 | Bushmills | googles that funny term "ubuntu" |
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| 20:41.12 | Bushmills | ,versions coova-chilli |
| 20:41.13 | peta | frikinz: the "target" hex offset told by my disassembler is "0008E470". how should I proceed after jumping to this offset? |
| 20:41.13 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'coova-chilli' was found in i386. |
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| 20:42.20 | kaosko | thanks Bushmills. latest 1.2.6 from coova.org. I see the binaries compiled at /usr/local/coova-chilli-1.2.6/debian/coova-chilli |
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| 20:43.53 | Bushmills | kaosko: just to make sure i don't understand completely wrong. you ask about compiling a non-debian program with a non-debian linux distribution? and you ask that on #debian? |
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| 20:46.34 | frikinz | peta: well, change the opcode for jnz to a jmp? :) jmp short. http://faydoc.tripod.com/cpu/jnz.htm , http://faydoc.tripod.com/cpu/jmp.htm (first google hit, not sure if that applies to your processor) |
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| 20:47.05 | frikinz | peta: so change 75 to EB |
| 20:47.19 | kaosko | yes Bushmills, what's a debian program? I'm looking to produce a .deb from source using dpkg, what else do I need to consider? |
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| 20:47.54 | Bushmills | wouldn't the place where you got the program from be much more authoritative on building it? |
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| 20:48.55 | Bushmills | a debian program, as i understand it, is a program in the software pool of the debian distribution |
| 20:48.57 | peta | frikinz: aaaah ... bingo |
| 20:48.57 | kaosko | yes. followed their instructions but the produced .deb only contains the docs |
| 20:49.04 | peta | frikinz: :) |
| 20:49.16 | frikinz | peta: nice. last time I did this was 20 years ago :) |
| 20:49.35 | Bushmills | kaosko: then their instructions may be flawed? |
| 20:50.07 | frikinz | peta: what is this .so ? |
| 20:50.10 | kaosko | sure Bushmills. I don't think coova-chilli is in any distributions yet. chillispot (the old version) is at least in ubuntu mainlines |
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| 20:50.51 | Bushmills | then build that one. i am sure #ubuntu can be of some help, if the instructions of that program fail |
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| 20:53.33 | peta | frikinz: it's a stupid audio encoder library. i tries to tell me that my processor architecture is not supported (686, 32bit) although it is compiled exactly for this platform. |
| 20:53.37 | kaosko | Bushmills, sure I'll check that as well. however, just wondered if anybody had run into similar build issue.. dpkg-buildpackage doesn't fail, but just doesn't pick up the executables |
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| 20:54.19 | peta | frikinz: and because I know better, I want to skip this studpid message |
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| 20:56.01 | Bushmills | kaosko: it is in openwrt backfire |
| 20:56.21 | frikinz | peta: I remember debugging an exe of 8K for 3 months.. the harddisk protection of my university. then the fun began :) |
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| 20:57.17 | frikinz | ah no it was a .sys |
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| 20:57.57 | astartoth | hi all, quick tip, there must be a way to list all unstable packages on a mixed testing/unstable system, right? |
| 20:58.01 | n1x1 | hi guys, i have some funny question |
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| 20:58.19 | frikinz | astartoth: there's apt-show-versions |
| 20:58.20 | kaosko | Bushmills: sure, not really looking for a different distro |
| 20:58.34 | n1x1 | how to open current aplication? (e.g skype, pidgin... or other) |
| 20:58.41 | n1x1 | when icon is hide on gnome panel? |
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| 21:00.08 | astartoth | frikinz: thank your for that . just apt-got it. |
| 21:00.09 | peta | frikinz: lol ... that's kind of study too |
| 21:00.41 | Bushmills | kaosko: not intention to make you run a different distribution. merely wanted to inform that it *is* in at least one distribution, as you didn't think it was. |
| 21:01.05 | kaosko | Bushmills: ok |
| 21:01.12 | frikinz | peta: 3 months 8h a day.. for 1 byte |
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| 21:02.13 | Bushmills | but i think i will be slapped on my fingers soon for not having said anything specific to the debian distribution for a while now |
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| 21:02.51 | cahoot | n1x1: open a terminal, type the programname, hit enter |
| 21:03.07 | omes- | RichiH: jesus, i didn't notice anything odd with the article in your global until somebody let me know they had "cracked" it :P |
| 21:03.17 | omes- | RichiH: you're gonna keep me up all night now :( |
| 21:04.24 | peta | frikinz: respect. :) however, thank you a lot ... i have to leave |
| 21:04.25 | peta | bye |
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| 21:05.36 | n1x1 | cahoot: no... when i write skype , skype, skype |
| 21:05.40 | n1x1 | opened is 3 skype |
| 21:05.45 | n1x1 | and i only wanna open current skype.. |
| 21:05.54 | n1x1 | when icon is hide on gnome panel :) |
| 21:06.00 | robert_ | where are the openoffice sdk examples? |
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| 21:07.26 | willmore | Quick question, what is the proper way to set the runlevels an init.d task runs during? As in, what program to do that is installed in the normal installs. Optionally, I'll be glad to install more stuff. Thanks! |
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| 21:07.58 | frikinz | n1x1: maybe with wmctrl |
| 21:08.57 | Bushmills | willmore: update-rc.d sould be installed by default, though is not the most intuitive to use |
| 21:09.33 | willmore | Bushmills, thanks. I timed out and installed chkconfig. :) I'll take a look at update-rd.d as this won't be the last time I have this issue, I'm sure. |
| 21:10.40 | Bushmills | willmore: for simple changes, like not starting one program in few runlevels, you can sinply removew the runlevel symlinks, or symlink a stop action |
| 21:11.39 | Bushmills | for frequent manual editing, have a look at file-rc, which replaces run level directories and symlinks against a single editable configuration file |
| 21:11.39 | willmore | Bushmills, I'm trying to get arno-iptables-firewall to run at levels 2-5. Looks like this chkconfig is different than the fedora one. |
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| 21:12.29 | willmore | Bushmills, looks like this chkconfig doesn't allow you to edit levels at all. |
| 21:12.55 | cahoot | use update-rc.d? |
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| 21:13.54 | willmore | Hmm, Bushmills, I'm trying the update-rd.d command and getting this: |
| 21:13.57 | willmore | update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing |
| 21:13.57 | willmore | update-rc.d: error: no runlevel symlinks to modify, aborting! |
| 21:14.09 | willmore | This is on a squeeze/current box. |
| 21:14.43 | Bushmills | it probably means what it says |
| 21:15.00 | n1x1 | frikinz: how to use? |
| 21:16.24 | willmore | Bushmills, :) Thanks. So, any way to tell why init didn't chose to run it? |
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| 21:17.24 | Bushmills | "why init didn't chose to run it" ? |
| 21:18.04 | Bushmills | why should init choose to run what? |
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| 21:19.09 | willmore | let's reboot and see if any of my changes helped. BRB.. |
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| 21:20.58 | willmore | Am I still here? :) |
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| 21:21.51 | willmore | I think I'm a zombie |
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| 21:22.49 | willmore | Okay, now I'm back. |
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| 21:23.34 | willmore | Bushmills, it *just worked* this time. No idea why. That's not going to be a fun thing to debug when/if it ever decides to just not work. Looks like I need to educate my self on the dependency based init used in squeeze. |
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| 21:27.38 | willmore | Okay, old gateway router swapped out and new box in place. Now for the testing. Thanks, Bushmills. |
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| 21:34.48 | erAbuelo | hasta mañana |
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| 21:42.48 | omes- | RichiH: too easy!! :( |
| 21:43.21 | RichiH | the puzzle? |
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| 22:09.21 | LinuxGuy2009 | Other than just installing the package 'preload' is there anything else I need to do in order for it to load on each boot like add it to startup commands or configure any settings? |
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| 22:12.14 | Sw33NY | why my screen resolution is 800 * 600 when I can go up to 1024 * 768 with this screen? |
| 22:12.28 | Sw33NY | i have install 'gnome-desktop-environment' |
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| 22:16.55 | Iridos | Sw33NY, probably your monitor got detected incorrectly? |
| 22:17.03 | Sw33NY | Iridos: what can i do ? |
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| 22:17.11 | Iridos | I would think all video cards can do more than that... |
| 22:17.31 | Sw33NY | Iridos: it's an video integrated |
| 22:17.36 | Sw33NY | hmm |
| 22:17.54 | Iridos | Sw33NY, run X -configure to create an xorg.conf and edit it to have the horizontal and vertical sync rates appropriate to your monitor |
| 22:18.12 | Sw33NY | Iridos: j'ai déjà réussi a le mettre en 1024*768 mais je ne me souviens plus comment |
| 22:18.32 | Iridos | errr pardon? |
| 22:18.38 | Sw33NY | ah lol |
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| 22:18.43 | Sw33NY | it's me, sorry |
| 22:18.52 | Sw33NY | I've managed to put it at 1024 * 768 but I can not remember how |
| 22:19.06 | Iridos | this is an english-language channel and a) my french is from 1993 and b) I'm off to a party and a little bit drunk already |
| 22:19.44 | Sw33NY | loool |
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| 22:20.17 | Sw33NY | Iridos: the french chan is dead ... :/ |
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| 22:20.32 | Iridos | Sw33NY, HorizSync 30.0 - 110.0 and VertRefresh 50.0 - 150.0 in section "Monitor" on your generated xorg.conf that you put in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (put appropriate values for YOUR monitor there instead of the 30-110 and 50-150, CRT monitors can even be damaged if you choose the range wrong) |
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| 22:21.01 | Iridos | if you don't know the values for your monitor, google on the monitor specs |
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| 22:21.11 | Sw33NY | ok, thanks Iridos :) |
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| 22:21.58 | Sw33NY | my xorg.conf is empty ^^ |
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| 22:22.39 | Iridos | Sw33NY, told you up there how to generate one |
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| 22:22.56 | Sw33NY | ok, thanks Iridos |
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| 22:23.27 | Iridos | there used to be one, but |
| 22:23.29 | Iridos | !xorg.conf |
| 22:23.29 | dpkg | From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config squeeze> <xorg config lenny>. |
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| 22:27.16 | queso | How do I restart networking in squeeze? |
| 22:27.26 | Iridos | well... |
| 22:27.35 | Iridos | /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 22:27.39 | Iridos | just as it used to be |
| 22:27.55 | Iridos | note that this never used to restart everything you wanted to restart |
| 22:28.25 | queso | Oh, I was asking because of the warning it gives. |
| 22:29.04 | Iridos | I don't know which warning it gives |
| 22:29.33 | frikinz | Iridos: the note you gave :) |
| 22:29.45 | Iridos | just tried |
| 22:29.47 | queso | heh ;) |
| 22:29.52 | Iridos | Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces ... (warning). |
| 22:30.02 | Iridos | yeah, well... bloody good idea, as this was always true |
| 22:30.16 | queso | Well if it's deprecated, does that mean there's a proper way to restart? |
| 22:30.23 | Iridos | queso, if you're on the local machine, do ifdown <interface> followed by ifup <interface> |
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| 22:30.33 | Iridos | queso, maybe, but if there is, I don't know it |
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| 22:30.56 | queso | Okay, I'll try ifdown/ifup. thanks |
| 22:32.10 | queso | Iridos: That's what I wanted, thanks. |
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| 22:33.08 | babilen | queso: You get the warning because all interfaces are taken down (ifdown -a) but only those that have a "auto IFACE" stanza will come up again. See the discussion of the "-a" option in the "man ifup" manpage |
| 22:33.24 | babilen | queso: The wording could be improved IMHO, but meh |
| 22:33.30 | Iridos | \o/ for babilen |
| 22:33.36 | Iridos | write a factoid |
| 22:33.41 | babilen | \o/ for Iridos ! |
| 22:33.50 | Iridos | <-- off for a party... have fun with your problems :-P |
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| 22:34.29 | Iridos | babilen, I just meant your answer was a lot more informative than what I ever bothered to find out about the problem :) |
| 22:34.47 | babilen | aye :) |
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| 22:47.02 | pmo5 | just a question.. so many people in this room, but so few talking ? is it 'normal', or are they all ghosts ? |
| 22:47.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | do you expect us to talk about inane shit just to fill your logs? |
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| 22:48.02 | cafuego | OH THE IRONY! |
| 22:48.27 | cafuego | good morning btw, Kamping_Kaiser :-) |
| 22:48.35 | MrFrood | giggles |
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| 22:52.08 | queso | I've never used the packaged version of serendipity before (weblog software, like wordpress). If I were to use the packaged version instead of downloading from their site, is it still possible to use a theme I created myself? I'm not sure how that would work. |
| 22:52.59 | KB1JWQ | queso: Drop in your changes after the package is installe? |
| 22:53.04 | KB1JWQ | installed, even. |
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| 22:53.25 | pmo5 | Kamping_Kaiser, no but many were used to ask questions and more.. those days noboby.. is debian / linux no more popular.. finally it might be the right answer.. but then why 1000 people... other then ghots i don't know |
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| 22:54.16 | queso | KB1JWQ: Not sure if what I add would conflict with anything in the package in the future . . |
| 22:54.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | queso: packages *should* handle things like that, but if the package is buggy... |
| 22:55.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | pmo5: depending on the time of day, this channel is very busy |
| 22:55.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | that its sat night/sunday morning probably doesn't help the busyness... |
| 22:55.47 | queso | Sorry, I'm not familiar with how packages work in that regard. I'm familiar with aptitude and changing configs in /etc for packages, but never know quite what will happen when upgrading or otherwise modifying things. |
| 22:56.02 | MrFrood | pmo5: Although perhaps this is a topic for #debian-offtopic - speaking for myself I keep irc idleing in the background and dip into it when taking a break/have nothing better to do |
| 22:57.28 | pmo5 | Kamping_Kaiser, MrFrood thanks for you clever answers ;-) .. |
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| 23:09.31 | setog3 | do you know a way to disable password for sudo and for a specific user (local) when a laptop is connect to a specific network (ethernet) ? (something like authentification based on localisation context..) (if you know a package that would be able to adapt system config based on network connection context it would help) |
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| 23:26.09 | Kre10s | hey! |
| 23:26.13 | Kre10s | why does the fglrx package require the qt4 core? |
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| 23:30.16 | ompaul | Kre10s: please type apt-cache rdepends fglrx-(insert package here) and explain to me where you see qt4 cos I can't find it |
| 23:31.01 | Kre10s | hrmm... |
| 23:31.10 | Kre10s | I can't see it either |
| 23:31.26 | ompaul | so why the question? |
| 23:31.33 | ompaul | is curious |
| 23:31.40 | ompaul | what brought it on |
| 23:31.45 | Kre10s | but when I want to install the package using synaptic. It wants me to install the qt4 core. |
| 23:32.06 | ompaul | what package name? |
| 23:32.29 | Kre10s | i use gnome, so i thought. hey. i don't need this gt4 thing. i try to uninstall and it wants to remove fglrx |
| 23:32.49 | Kre10s | libqt4core |
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| 23:33.24 | ompaul | I think you will find the package name fglrx may be a meta package |
| 23:33.30 | ompaul | !metapackage |
| 23:33.30 | dpkg | from memory, metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example). |
| 23:33.32 | Kre10s | libqt4-xml , libqt4-dbus , and libqtgui4 |
| 23:34.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: versions libqt4core |
| 23:34.17 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libqt4core' was found in i386. |
| 23:34.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | Kre10s: could you pastebin 'apt-cache policy libqt4core' please |
| 23:34.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: pastebin |
| 23:34.52 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 23:35.25 | ompaul | Kre10s: and please do uname -a in same pastebin |
| 23:35.37 | ompaul | morning Kamping_Kaiser |
| 23:35.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | ompaul: gday |
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| 23:37.20 | flaccid | good ol Kamping_Kaiser :) |
| 23:37.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | flaccid: aw :) |
| 23:37.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | flaccid: hows it going? |
| 23:38.02 | flaccid | not too shabby. just finished QA'ing 20 debian ec2 images w00t |
| 23:38.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | flaccid: fark. automated qa i hope |
| 23:38.44 | flaccid | yes VirtualMonkey |
| 23:39.01 | flaccid | the builds are automated too of course |
| 23:39.13 | ompaul | Kamping_Kaiser: I'll leave the un responsive one with you, time to get shut eye up over here |
| 23:39.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | ompaul: have a good one |
| 23:39.22 | ompaul | cheers |
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| 23:39.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | flaccid: right. |
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| 23:39.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm, a ruby thing |
| 23:40.08 | flaccid | whatsa ruby thing |
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| 23:42.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | virtualmonkey, at least there is a github project thats ruby |
| 23:42.52 | Kre10s | one moment |
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| 23:43.22 | SkyNet_ONE | Hey people |
| 23:43.27 | flaccid | Kamping_Kaiser: well https://github.com/jeremyd/virtualmonkey is pretty much it. its actually the author of this who is a colleague who does the QA for me. i'm da builder |
| 23:43.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | flaccid: ah, i see :) |
| 23:43.58 | SkyNet_ONE | is the any official channel for Debian Developers, or the only way to find them is using the mailling list? |
| 23:44.03 | flaccid | i tmux in and big brother the runs hehe |
| 23:44.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | SkyNet_ONE: try #debian-dev on irc.debian.org? |
| 23:45.16 | flaccid | SkyNet_ONE: and /list when you get on irc.debian.org |
| 23:45.24 | Kre10s | Kamping_Kaiser: ompaul: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/588766/ |
| 23:45.26 | SkyNet_ONE | Kamping_Kaiser, I am looking at Debian website to see that |
| 23:45.46 | omes- | RichiH: yup. Got your email, and sent a reply as well :P |
| 23:45.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | Kre10s: go and ask #ubuntu whats wrong |
| 23:46.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | Kre10s: the package you are having problems with doesnt exist in debian, so its definitely thier problem |
| 23:46.17 | omes- | RichiH: haven't solved that yet though (as the mail states :P) |
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| 23:46.30 | mplabs | Hello! |
| 23:46.32 | mplabs | is there any good scientific calculator for Linux? |
| 23:46.40 | omes- | mplabs: bc? |
| 23:46.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | python/perl? :p |
| 23:46.54 | mplabs | bc? |
| 23:46.56 | RichiH | omes-: #swhack and #cat-enigma |
| 23:47.06 | mplabs | I don't know bc, let me check it |
| 23:47.06 | RichiH | those are the last fighters |
| 23:47.12 | Kre10s | Kamping_Kaiser: thank you. sorry for bothering. #ubuntu is always really busy. I thought it might be a common problem. |
| 23:47.41 | casts | www.wolframalpha.com is a good scientific calculator |
| 23:47.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | Kre10s: not cross distros at least. ( http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libqt4core to see its not there). hope they can help you! |
| 23:47.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 23:48.01 | mplabs | I don't really think a command line calculator can be friendly than one with GUI lol |
| 23:48.03 | mplabs | omes- |
| 23:48.12 | omes- | RichiH: aah.. I thought it was an enigma emulator involved... |
| 23:48.19 | Ri_usw | mplabs: odd |
| 23:48.21 | mplabs | more friendly* |
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| 23:48.30 | RichiH | omes-: i won't tell |
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| 23:48.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | mplabs: you didn't ask for a gui calculator |
| 23:49.15 | mplabs | well, I said a good one |
| 23:49.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes. bc is a good one |
| 23:49.32 | mplabs | well, but a better one :P |
| 23:49.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | good and friendly are not synonyms |
| 23:49.41 | mplabs | hehe I know, I'm sorry |
| 23:49.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | better then what? |
| 23:49.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | !good |
| 23:49.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: wakey wakey |
| 23:49.51 | dpkg | Kamping_Kaiser: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 23:49.51 | mplabs | better than kcalc for example |
| 23:50.00 | mplabs | and than my lovely Casio lol |
| 23:50.15 | Kre10s | I have a mysterious package "libqtcore4" relying on "fglrx"... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/588766/ whats the point of this? I'm running gnome. why do i need this package? |
| 23:50.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | Kre10s: you're still in #debian ;) |
| 23:50.37 | Kre10s | balls |
| 23:50.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
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| 23:51.43 | mplabs | so any friendly and good calculator? |
| 23:52.40 | casts | what do you want it for? |
| 23:53.19 | omes- | RichiH: is there a prize for everyone who clears this? I mean, there's a lot of people working on it so are we rewarded for helping each other? :P |
| 23:53.23 | mplabs | well, I just don't like the way kcalc works |
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| 23:53.56 | casts | thats great, but not answering the question, |
| 23:54.08 | mplabs | I mean, it's ok but I prefer something... else |
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| 23:54.29 | mplabs | casts: I want to do whatever I can do in a normal scientific calculator |
| 23:54.47 | mplabs | how do you find roots using kcalc? |
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| 23:55.28 | mplabs | casts: can you? |
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| 23:55.48 | casts | nfi. i tend to use more advanced than kcalc things |
| 23:55.53 | mplabs | and I didn't found the "ANS" button :P |
| 23:55.59 | casts | what are you trying to find the roots of? |
| 23:56.01 | SkyNet_ONE | hummm....looking at Debian website, the oficial server is loacated at OFTC |
| 23:56.11 | mplabs | find* |
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| 23:56.27 | casts | octave, is good. |
| 23:56.30 | SkyNet_ONE | Do this means this server is not the correct servr? |
| 23:56.32 | mplabs | where's the ANS button and why can't I write a complex expression and then evaluate it? |
| 23:56.42 | mplabs | well, I do use octave too |
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| 23:57.07 | casts | if you want advanced CAS...then really...wolfram alpha is easy to use |
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| 23:57.52 | mplabs | no, I just wanted something small but complete as any CASIO scientific calculator |
| 23:57.57 | mplabs | anyway |
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| 23:59.05 | casts | sounds like you want a casio calculator. |
| 23:59.26 | mplabs | well, I already have one :P |
| 23:59.29 | mplabs | but not in Linux hehe |