| 00:01.46 | mplabs | I'm now compiling this one: http://www.pgcalc.net/?page=screenshots |
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| 00:03.56 | jms | hello guys, i got a problem with oidentd... getting this error: ' Apr 3 02:00:45 ecco oidentd[8593]: [asimov.freenode.net] 22508 , 6667 : ERROR : NO-USER ' |
| 00:04.12 | Bushmills | mplabs: tiemu |
| 00:04.23 | jms | searched google for about 8h :) |
| 00:04.32 | jms | cant find anything useful |
| 00:05.27 | mplabs | Bushmills: thank you! |
| 00:06.23 | jms | i've tried with multiple users |
| 00:07.07 | jms | tried to give my ~/.oidentd.conf 777 perms |
| 00:07.30 | jms | but i cant get it to work |
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| 00:07.53 | jms | never seen this error before |
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| 00:08.20 | mplabs | Bushmills: do you know what ROM version should I set? |
| 00:08.38 | mplabs | oh, never mind |
| 00:08.46 | streuner | jms: why do you need a identd for IRC at all? |
| 00:08.48 | Bushmills | one of the gpl models |
| 00:09.00 | jms | streuner: its not for irc |
| 00:09.21 | streuner | jms: how about nullidentd? |
| 00:09.47 | jms | streuner: can it spoof? |
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| 00:09.55 | wolverian | installing unstable netinstall from unetbootin installed squeeze netinstall. oh well! |
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| 00:10.31 | wolverian | I assume changing to sid won't be *too* arduous... |
| 00:10.38 | wolverian | (compared to trying to install arch, for an example) |
| 00:11.11 | Bushmills | depends on at what time you ask |
| 00:12.33 | wolverian | how about in uh.. five minutes? |
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| 00:13.41 | Bushmills | may have changed by then |
| 00:15.24 | omes- | mplabs: gcalctool? |
| 00:16.17 | mplabs | let me see |
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| 00:18.47 | mplabs | it seems pretty good! |
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| 00:18.49 | mplabs | thank you omes- |
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| 00:23.02 | sh_sh | when I use the ftp.debian.org source (without country specific sub domain) do I get a mirror somewhxat near me? |
| 00:23.07 | sh_sh | somewhat* |
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| 00:23.21 | babilen | !geo sources |
| 00:23.38 | babilen | !geo sources.list |
| 00:23.38 | dpkg | To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, you can use a Geo-IP service from cdn.debian.net. An example line for your sources.list is "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main". See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror for more information, or ask me about <sources.list>. Don't use this with Google DNS or similar. |
| 00:24.30 | ingo1 | have anybody a good idea for a mainboard compatible against debian 6.0 squeeze with a cpu AMD Athlon II X2 250e (AM3)? |
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| 00:25.00 | jms | streuner: thanks for your help... nullidentd will do :) |
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| 00:27.17 | mplabs | ok, I have found a really good one: SpeedCrunch |
| 00:27.22 | kephra | moin - i have a pptp routing problem http://pastebin.com/SzT2KNgN - I can reach the 192.168 from 193.101.47.34, but not the 193.101.47.132 - while an mtr from 193.101.47.132 to 47.34 works |
| 00:27.22 | mplabs | http://speedcrunch.org/images/vista-all.png |
| 00:28.03 | kephra | so basically pptp works -- but not for one host ;-( any idea - please look at the pastebin ... perhaps its just something easy |
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| 00:31.34 | sh_sh | babilen: thx |
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| 00:34.35 | RichiH | omes-: 10 slots total, 7 still open |
| 00:34.57 | omes- | RichiH: ah, ok |
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| 00:43.08 | smacnay | Does the new version of icedove in sid have a corresponding enigmail that works? |
| 00:45.50 | kephra | *sorry* gotcha - I did forget to set a route on the 132 |
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| 01:05.56 | zulax | my keyboard is acting weired, how cou13ld i diagnose it |
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| 01:15.39 | makoto_ | sup? ive got my adsl pc setup, but i cant ping the www. the ppp connection seems to complete, and i have an ip, accoring to ifconfig. whats stopping me from being able to ping the interwebs? |
| 01:16.40 | makoto_ | oshii... |
| 01:16.43 | makoto_ | i know,.. |
| 01:16.50 | makoto_ | *facepalm* |
| 01:17.03 | makoto_ | its still plugged in via wire to the fried adsl router |
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| 01:36.19 | nsgn | hello. i'm looking to use one of my disks with ext4. i'm using 2.6.26 and i'm reading theres an issue with delalloc. is there a way to determine if this is patched on my install or should i mount with -o nodelalloc |
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| 01:41.52 | Nameless | hi there |
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| 01:43.24 | Nameless | does anyone here successfully installed debian on macbook pro 3,1 ? |
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| 01:45.08 | muhoo | (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105" |
| 01:45.11 | muhoo | no. |
| 01:45.30 | muhoo | i want pc104. this is squeeze. there is no xorg.conf. how do i change keyboard layour? |
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| 01:45.43 | muhoo | layout ^^ |
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| 01:45.49 | zimba12 | hi |
| 01:45.57 | flock-_ | hello. what's the difference between oidentd and normal ident? |
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| 01:46.07 | zimba12 | I wanted to report a bug, but I am not sure which package it belongs to |
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| 01:46.43 | zimba12 | the issue arised after I uninstalled chrome-stable |
| 01:47.10 | zimba12 | *google-chrome-stable |
| 01:47.19 | zimba12 | but I don't think it's related to that |
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| 01:49.51 | muhoo | how can i force xorg in squeeze to use a different keyboard layout than what it wants to force on me at autodetect time? |
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| 01:52.33 | Nameless | muhoo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 01:52.42 | muhoo | Nameless: thanks, will try |
| 01:53.03 | Nameless | *sudo, obviously |
| 01:53.57 | adb | X -configure , better, dpkg-reconfigure is obsolete |
| 01:54.17 | Nameless | awesome |
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| 01:54.52 | Nameless | it's been a while since i used debian lol |
| 01:55.51 | Nameless | no one with a mac here? |
| 01:56.03 | adb | ask |
| 01:56.16 | Nameless | just done |
| 01:56.18 | Nameless | :P |
| 01:57.05 | adb | ask in #debianppc if ppc |
| 01:57.43 | Nameless | nah, it's not that obsolete |
| 01:58.07 | Nameless | macbook pro 3,1 late 2007, intel core 2 duo |
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| 01:58.45 | adb | !mac |
| 01:58.45 | dpkg | Apple Macintoshes are prime candidates for Debian installs, at least the m68k-based ones. or acceptable in many powerpc forms... Ask Peidran about that... or Most Applications Crash; If Not, The Operating System Hangs, or the hardware address of a network card, or the name of Apple computers. MAC, Media Access Control (ask me about <mac change>). |
| 01:59.24 | adb | !intelmac |
| 01:59.33 | adb | no .. |
| 01:59.55 | Nameless | i just want to know if it's better for me to install ubuntu or debian, for hardware compatibility and things like that |
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| 02:01.30 | Nameless | it's like 4 years i left linux for osx, so i don't know how far are gone debian\ubuntu with mac nowadays |
| 02:01.34 | muhoo | i tried this "setxkbmap pc104" |
| 02:01.53 | muhoo | andit said "Error loading new keyboard description" |
| 02:01.57 | adb | setxkbmap us |
| 02:02.01 | muhoo | THANKS for the description of the error |
| 02:02.23 | muhoo | adb: PERFECT! THANKS! |
| 02:02.29 | adb | setxkbmap fr , etc |
| 02:02.31 | adb | np |
| 02:03.21 | muhoo | adb: do i have to add this to xorg.conf? |
| 02:03.41 | muhoo | or is there a more debian-like way to do it, i.e.. /etc/defaults? |
| 02:04.02 | Nameless | edit xorg.conf? |
| 02:04.07 | muhoo | GOT IT! |
| 02:04.40 | muhoo | /etc/etc/default/keyboard |
| 02:04.45 | LinuxGuy2009 | Are there any included GUI apps in KDE 4.4.5 in squeeze that you can use to install packages? Or is the terminal the default method of package management? |
| 02:04.49 | muhoo | was set to pc105 not pc104 |
| 02:05.06 | muhoo | was also set to us, dunno why that was necessary to set via xsetkb |
| 02:05.46 | adb | muhoo, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 02:07.02 | muhoo | thanks |
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| 02:09.47 | muhoo | adb: nope, doesn't help. still need to manually setxkbmap us after logging in to x |
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| 02:14.22 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:22.05 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 02:22.39 | johnfg | Never tried to play a movie dvd with squeeze before. totem movie player won't play it. What's up? what should I use? |
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| 02:34.11 | adb | !dvd |
| 02:34.11 | dpkg | [dvd] Digital Versatile Disc. To play a video DVD, ask me about <dvd playback>, then use either <totem>, <vlc>, <xine> or <mplayer>. To burn a DVD, ask me about <wodim> or <growisofs>. To download Debian DVD images, ask me about <iso> and <small dvd>. To buy Debian DVDs, ask me about <vendors>. To copy/rip/transcode DVD video, ask me about <dvd ripping>. |
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| 02:36.48 | muhoo | adb: LANG=en_US |
| 02:36.58 | muhoo | but on my working machine, LANG=C |
| 02:37.25 | muhoo | a tually, no it is en_US on that too |
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| 02:38.06 | Firefishe | When using apt-get, how do I do an upgrade--as in: `apt-get upgrade'--and exclude a desired list of packages, in this case, firefox? |
| 02:38.09 | muhoo | next x question: on my squeeze machine, my fonts are wrong. on my lenny machine they are right. i.e. http://restivo.org/misc/wrong.jpg on squeeze, http://restivo.org/misc/right.jpg on lenny |
| 02:38.26 | muhoo | what happened in squeeze to botch my fonts? |
| 02:38.38 | muhoo | (that's rxvt, BTW) |
| 02:39.26 | muhoo | in both cases they were started with -fn 6x10 |
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| 02:39.43 | muhoo | who screwed up the fonts in squeeze, adding all that extra space between the lines? |
| 02:41.26 | ectospasm | my terminal windows at work are about the only places my fonts look perfect in sqeeze |
| 02:41.47 | ectospasm | browsers and gnomish windows look too "thin" |
| 02:42.07 | ectospasm | I've finally gotten them to something I can live with, but they're not ideal |
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| 02:42.29 | ectospasm | fonts look fine in squeeze on my netbook |
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| 02:46.13 | muhoo | ectospasm: well how can i get the pics in the wrong.jpg to look like right.jpg? |
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| 03:16.34 | ectospasm | muhoo: I don't know. None of the Debian font guides seemed to do much for my font problems. |
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| 03:23.56 | jroberts235 | I am building a deb package with several bash/perl scripts in it and I want to have a postinstall script that will do some things upon installation. My understanding is these script are simple bash scripts and there are only a few requirements to get them working. They need to be 755, and provide exit status. I have done this but the script will not execute. Is there something I am missing? Oh the file is named "postinst". |
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| 03:24.58 | karlpinc | jroberts235: The scripts should probably be #!/bin/sh, and run with dash not bash. (It's smaller and posix compliant and the new default sh. |
| 03:25.43 | karlpinc | jroberts235: Other than that I've no clue. ($PATH always messes with me in that sort of situation, but I've not done postinstall scripts.) |
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| 03:26.19 | jroberts235 | Yeah, I suspected Path at first... but I am pretty sure that's not the case |
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| 03:27.02 | simonlnu | you can pack them up in the .deb already chmod +x |
| 03:27.17 | simonlnu | just fix it in the build process |
| 03:27.27 | Tired | it's supposed to be called packagename.postinst |
| 03:27.33 | Tired | !postrm |
| 03:27.33 | dpkg | During package installation, dpkg runs a script called the "preinst", unpacks the contents of the .deb and then runs the "postinst". When removing, it runs the "prerm", deletes the files and then runs the "postrm". These scripts can be found in /var/lib/dpkg/info/$package.{pre,post}{inst,rm}; as a last resort to fixing packaging problems, you can edit the script, e.g. by making the second line "exit 0" of a shell script. |
| 03:28.29 | simonlnu | no need for useless postinst rules then |
| 03:29.23 | jroberts235 | Ahhh! |
| 03:29.48 | Tired | oooh? |
| 03:29.50 | jroberts235 | Tired: I'll try that. If that is the case, the Docs SUCK. |
| 03:30.11 | simonlnu | chicken/egg problem |
| 03:30.27 | Tired | simonlnu, nobody here but us chickens? |
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| 03:32.49 | simonlnu | plop |
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| 03:35.12 | amphi | plóp? |
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| 03:37.44 | jroberts235 | still no joy. |
| 03:38.05 | jroberts235 | a little verbose output or logging would be really nice right now |
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| 03:38.52 | simonlnu | set -x |
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| 03:40.50 | jroberts235 | I got it, finally. I did not have the postinst script in the DEBIAN dir. Didn't know that was a requirement. |
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| 03:41.17 | ZitZ | hi, i'm x11 forwarding eclipse from a remote machine, but it is complaining that it can't find java in my path, and it's because i have it in different paths, how do i temporarily set the current path |
| 03:41.20 | jroberts235 | BTW - I did NOT need to name the file packagename.postinst |
| 03:41.41 | jroberts235 | in fact, that did not work. |
| 03:41.54 | jroberts235 | thanks anyway for the suggestion Tired |
| 03:41.56 | Tired | jroberts235, alright... it's named like this when it's placed on the system... my apologies |
| 03:42.08 | jroberts235 | no worries! |
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| 03:45.40 | simonlnu | jroberts235: only need it named if you're builing more than one package from the source |
| 03:46.06 | simonlnu | build*; also named like that because they're all in the same dir. |
| 03:46.10 | jroberts235 | ok. noted. thanks! |
| 03:46.32 | simonlnu | that's why 'postinst' worked |
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| 04:04.19 | palhmbs | hey guys - has anybody here come across a script to serve a git repo onto Gobby infinoted server? |
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| 04:29.04 | ZitZ | would someone know the path to the java virtual machine or how i could find where it is? |
| 04:29.23 | karlpinc | ZitZ: Use the "which" command? |
| 04:29.42 | HandyGandy | I want to watch this video: http://jaderholm.com/screencasts/org-mode/ . If I watch online it is OK, but when I try to download it and try to watch, I get audio but no video. When I run mediainfo, it tells me I am using the "Shickwave" codec. I notice the person used Camstasia to record it. I seem to remember camstasia uses a proprietary to codec for capture. Is there a way I can change the codec of the thing? |
| 04:30.18 | ZitZ | yeah, that would work if i knew what command i was looking for, jre and jvm both are not found? |
| 04:31.15 | jroberts235 | are you sure it's installed? |
| 04:31.43 | ZitZ | yeah, i'm pretty confident it is |
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| 04:31.54 | jroberts235 | dpkg --list | grep jdk |
| 04:31.54 | dpkg | jroberts235: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 04:32.11 | jroberts235 | ...or jre, jvm, etc |
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| 04:34.12 | ZitZ | yeah, it's all installed |
| 04:34.28 | ZitZ | it looks like it might be in /usr/lib somehow |
| 04:36.34 | amphi | java is capable of the worst |
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| 04:37.42 | HandyGandy | Actually I believe the VM is called "java". |
| 04:37.45 | jroberts235 | try this: find / -name jre |
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| 04:38.16 | jroberts235 | that will search your entire "/" looking for the filename |
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| 04:38.40 | ZitZ | i'm giving it a try |
| 04:38.41 | jroberts235 | ...can take a while and will throw complain about permissions on some dirs |
| 04:38.47 | ZitZ | yep it is |
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| 04:39.55 | ZitZ | well, it is in lib, /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre |
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| 04:42.00 | ZitZ | unfortunately, it didn't solve what i was trying to do |
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| 04:43.26 | jroberts235 | well you learned something in the process ... |
| 04:44.14 | ZitZ | that's true, linux is a constant learning process |
| 04:45.04 | karlpinc | Sorta like life then. |
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| 04:47.23 | jroberts235 | Group Hug? |
| 04:47.45 | ZitZ | lol, idk |
| 04:47.49 | doubledutch | !hug |
| 04:47.49 | dpkg | hugs doubledutch |
| 04:48.46 | dc | Linux for the wise |
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| 05:15.23 | DanDare | Hello. I have a default MySql installation in Debian Lenny. I created a sample user and database. I cant connect to the server outside localhost. External connection is blocked by default ? |
| 05:15.55 | jroberts235 | Uh, is it possible to setup an APT repo on Centos box? |
| 05:16.40 | jroberts235 | ... if i can just find reprepro.rpm ... |
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| 05:18.29 | ningu | in aptitude, is there any way to show what *currently installed* packages depend on another package? |
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| 05:18.36 | ningu | or do you just have to see the error message when you try to remove it? |
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| 05:20.19 | jroberts235 | I tried complilling the source for it, missing "db.h". No ides what that is, but it sounds Debian specific. |
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| 05:22.06 | jroberts235 | would I be so luck as to find it in the apt.rpm package !?!?! |
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| 05:29.51 | jroberts235 | no bueno |
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| 05:36.22 | jroberts235 | RedHat/Centos has WAY more apt <-> yum crossover packages than vice versa |
| 05:36.59 | jroberts235 | even has fakeroot ! |
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| 05:42.42 | troubadour | hi guys |
| 05:42.50 | troubadour | how are you doing? |
| 05:44.02 | doubledutch | is doing well |
| 05:44.05 | doubledutch | !ask |
| 05:44.05 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 06:18.59 | Stellar | hello |
| 06:19.24 | Stellar | does debian 6 installation dvd1 includes the kde? |
| 06:19.45 | casts | that is an intersting question |
| 06:19.52 | casts | i /imagine/ so |
| 06:20.13 | casts | typically people use netinst so its of minor consequence |
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| 06:22.25 | Stellar | does installing kde requires manual configuration and installation? or all automatically? |
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| 06:34.08 | mintux | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:34.32 | Wyzard | mintux: If it's in your own crontab, it runs as you |
| 06:34.53 | casts | no need to login |
| 06:35.15 | mintux | ok thanks |
| 06:36.44 | Wyzard | mintux: The system-wide crontab (/etc/crontab) is a little different: it has a column to specify the user that the command should be run under |
| 06:37.24 | mintux | Wyzard:if I set root user . does it can run without login? |
| 06:37.47 | Wyzard | If it's in root's crontab, or in /etc/crontab with "root" in the user column, yes |
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| 06:38.53 | mintux | ok thznks |
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| 06:39.56 | DimmuR | I'm trying to install svg adobe plugin for iceweasel but it doesn't work: adobesvg-3.0-linux-i386.tar.gz i install it - it copies files to some firefox dir, i change name for iceweasel also no response i don't see svg in about:plugins. How can i install this? |
| 06:41.15 | Wyzard | DimmuR: I haven't manually installed plugins for iceweasel, but you probably don't need to rename the directory from "firefox" to "iceweasel" |
| 06:41.44 | Wyzard | DimmuR: The name change is just for trademark reasons; Iceweasel still uses the string "firefox" for internal things that aren't related to branding |
| 06:41.52 | DimmuR | Wyzard, i did that because after i install it it doesn't show in about:config |
| 06:41.57 | Wyzard | It probably still looks for plugins in a directory called "firefox" |
| 06:42.23 | DimmuR | yes files are in both dirs - iceweasel (my work) and firefox (install script) |
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| 06:54.18 | lxsameer | is dpkg bot is a free software ? |
| 06:55.24 | paq7512 | what is an easy way to install nvidia? |
| 06:55.50 | Wyzard | paq7512: There are packages of it in non-free |
| 06:55.50 | theleft | wut |
| 06:55.59 | Wyzard | nvidia-glx |
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| 06:58.42 | theleft | np: LFO - LFO from LFO (CD Single) <05:19|829 kbps> |
| 06:58.48 | theleft | LFO LFO LFO |
| 06:59.21 | paq7512 | wyzard may i pm you? |
| 06:59.29 | Wyzard | What for? |
| 06:59.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | ?erin |
| 07:00.05 | theleft | this channels suffers at least mild down syndrome today |
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| 07:00.16 | Wyzard | paq7512: If you have questions, ask in the channel |
| 07:00.36 | paq7512 | do i just have to select nvidia-glx and restart? |
| 07:00.54 | ZitZ | did theleft fall for the girl on tv? |
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| 07:01.04 | theleft | what |
| 07:01.12 | theleft | WHOM? |
| 07:01.17 | ZitZ | LFO |
| 07:01.24 | theleft | wrong fuckin LFO |
| 07:01.28 | theleft | CHUMP |
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| 07:01.34 | Wyzard | !tell paq7512 about nvidia |
| 07:01.38 | ZitZ | lol lmfao |
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| 07:02.43 | theleft | why are there 1k people here |
| 07:02.47 | theleft | go away |
| 07:02.55 | Wyzard | paq7512: You need both nvidia-glx and an nvidia-kernel package that matches your kernel |
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| 07:03.17 | n00b2 | n debian , I have a Luks root partrtion , /boot on diffrent parrtion , need to restore grub entry (all /boot/grub/grub.cfg was empty) how can I open the root parttion (tried linux (hd0,X)/vmlinuz-.... root=/dev/mapper/luks_name but was unable to open root parttion |
| 07:03.35 | Wyzard | paq7512: Assuming you're running a stock Debian kernel, the appropriate nvidia-kernel package should be pulled in automatically as a dependency when you install nvidia-glx |
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| 07:04.00 | theleft | THERE ARE NO OPS HERE |
| 07:04.04 | theleft | TAKES OUT COCK |
| 07:04.05 | casts | theleft: are you familiar with the term stfu |
| 07:04.08 | theleft | WAVES IT AROUND |
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| 07:04.15 | casts | !ops theleft needs some banning |
| 07:04.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: casts complains about: theleft needs some banning |
| 07:04.22 | theleft | casts are you familiar with the term go fuck yourself newfag? |
| 07:04.39 | Wyzard | n00b2: If you're talking about rewriting your grub.cfg, don't do that by hand, use update-grub |
| 07:04.52 | project2501a | lol |
| 07:05.00 | project2501a | #de/b/ian |
| 07:05.05 | n00b2 | Wyzard, I'm locked out of the system |
| 07:05.06 | project2501a | newfag? :D |
| 07:05.14 | theleft | yep |
| 07:05.22 | theleft | 99% of this channel today |
| 07:05.31 | project2501a | this is not #ubuntu, man |
| 07:05.37 | project2501a | be civil. |
| 07:05.43 | theleft | OH SORRY |
| 07:05.49 | theleft | puts cock away |
| 07:06.09 | Wyzard | n00b2: Boot a liveCD, unlock the LUKS, mount and chroot in, then run update-grub |
| 07:06.22 | project2501a | and don't forget to go through the trashcan |
| 07:07.01 | Wyzard | n00b2: root=/dev/mapper/luks_name ought to work though, afaik |
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| 07:07.19 | project2501a | waves to simon |
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| 07:07.29 | Wyzard | n00b2: (can't say for sure though, because my LUKS contains LVM, not a bare filesystem) |
| 07:07.32 | n00b2 | Wyzard, didn't (grub didn't ask for a passphrase) |
| 07:07.43 | project2501a | it usually does not |
| 07:07.50 | Wyzard | n00b2: It's not GRUB that asks for the passphrase, it's the initramfs |
| 07:08.02 | Wyzard | n00b2: If you're feeding grub a kernel command manually, did you give it the initrd command too? |
| 07:08.27 | n00b2 | yes, i've added the inirt location |
| 07:08.55 | n00b2 | as in initrd(hd0,X)/initrd... |
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| 07:09.37 | Wyzard | And it just says it couldn't find /dev/mapper/luks_name and fails to mount the root fs? |
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| 07:10.15 | n00b2 | failes to mount root fs (moment I'll see the exact error again) |
| 07:11.05 | theleft | oh i thought i was in a different channel |
| 07:11.08 | DrkCodeman | im am supprised the linux community isn't aiming to the cloud and deploying a os for pda's like ipods / iphones / ipad etc |
| 07:11.09 | theleft | oh well fuck you guys anyway :( |
| 07:11.23 | theleft | just kidding :( |
| 07:11.25 | ompaul | theleft: many happy returns, |
| 07:11.33 | theleft | i thought this was #ubuntu afterall |
| 07:11.37 | n00b2 | Begin: Waiting for root file system ... (gave up) |
| 07:11.58 | DrkCodeman | theleft: without debian there would be NO ubuntu.... |
| 07:12.07 | n00b2 | Alert! /dev/mapper/luks_name does not exist |
| 07:12.12 | DrkCodeman | considering ubuntu is based on debian |
| 07:12.15 | Wyzard | n00b2: Is it the same initrd file that was previously used for successful booting? |
| 07:12.26 | theleft | without sleep depravity i wouldn't troll #debian thinking it is #ubuntu |
| 07:12.48 | Wyzard | n00b2: The initrd's script only contains commands to do the LUKS stuff if it's built on a system that actually uses LUKS |
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| 07:13.16 | n00b2 | yes, pre update |
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| 07:14.23 | DrkCodeman | think im going to try out linux mint |
| 07:15.01 | n00b2 | I have a new kernel 2.6.37 (the deb package) on that machine that wasn't yet installed |
| 07:15.07 | n00b2 | can it help ? |
| 07:15.22 | ompaul | DrkCodeman: got a specific reason to? |
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| 07:15.23 | Wyzard | not without more effort than it'd take to fix the current one |
| 07:15.36 | DrkCodeman | ompaul: someone recommended it |
| 07:15.57 | Wyzard | n00b2: What you can do as a temporary workaround is to add "break" to the kernel's arguments line |
| 07:16.11 | Wyzard | That'll make the initrd drop you to a prompt before it tries to mount anything |
| 07:16.25 | n00b2 | booting .. |
| 07:16.26 | Wyzard | You can unlock the LUKS manually, then exit the shell and it should find it and continue booting |
| 07:16.33 | ompaul | DrkCodeman: it is really a theme with some managed codecs and very little else to recommend it afik |
| 07:16.43 | Wyzard | That should at least get you into the system, so you can run update-initramfs and update-grub |
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| 07:17.17 | n00b2 | Wyzard, hope so |
| 07:17.47 | ompaul | DrkCodeman: otherwise known as ... if someone recommended putting your hand in the fire would you ;-) |
| 07:17.49 | DrkCodeman | looking to replace windows 7 with something else on my laptop |
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| 07:18.08 | ompaul | DrkCodeman: why not debian? |
| 07:18.20 | DrkCodeman | maybe redhat |
| 07:18.25 | ompaul | ooch |
| 07:18.43 | Bushmills | there's freedos |
| 07:18.49 | DrkCodeman | heh |
| 07:19.05 | ompaul | that is like windows you have to go way outside the borders of RH to find all the packages you want |
| 07:19.28 | ompaul | at least use fedora if you are thinking like that |
| 07:19.34 | DrkCodeman | tired of ubuntu to be honest file corruption after like 7 months |
| 07:19.57 | Wyzard | DrkCodeman: That sounds like a problem with your machine, not with Ubuntu |
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| 07:20.02 | DrkCodeman | fedora is redhat the mainline redhat though now is aimed to servers then anything |
| 07:20.07 | ompaul | file corruption ... you were using the correct shutdown process? |
| 07:20.11 | Bushmills | maybe the admin is to blame? |
| 07:20.18 | DrkCodeman | Wyzard: negative happend couple times with fresh installations |
| 07:20.31 | DrkCodeman | was a SMB server |
| 07:21.00 | ompaul | DrkCodeman: smb ... does not matter the underlying file system is/was ext% |
| 07:21.06 | Wyzard | DrkCodeman: non sequitur... like I said, sounds like a problem with your machine |
| 07:21.16 | Wyzard | bad RAM, bad disk, etc. |
| 07:21.21 | project2501a | or pebkac |
| 07:21.22 | DrkCodeman | no i fix computers for a living |
| 07:21.23 | DrkCodeman | ive checked |
| 07:21.24 | ompaul | unless the files were coming corrupted |
| 07:21.26 | kingsley | DrkCodeman: I'd like to know if files are also corrupted with another distribution of linux. |
| 07:21.47 | DrkCodeman | memtest, smart status check |
| 07:22.07 | n00b2 | #@$@#$ , now after I unlock it in spawned shell it complains that it is allready mapped or mounted :-( |
| 07:22.12 | Wyzard | I'd do a full disk scan (smartctl -t long) rather than just a status check |
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| 07:22.41 | project2501a | n00b2: is this a work server or something? |
| 07:22.44 | DrkCodeman | i have a hirens disk too |
| 07:22.49 | DrkCodeman | that i used to test the hardware |
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| 07:23.14 | n00b2 | project2501a, not a work server but cannot be wiped out server .. |
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| 07:23.38 | project2501a | storing porn, eh? i undestand... |
| 07:23.57 | ompaul | DrkCodeman: and you were using the correct method to close it down? |
| 07:24.15 | DrkCodeman | never shutdown ever |
| 07:24.33 | DrkCodeman | i believe servers should have heavy uptime |
| 07:25.02 | ompaul | DrkCodeman: no problem with that I run many of them and tend to agree until they get kernel changes, which file system were you using? |
| 07:25.27 | DrkCodeman | its pretty old it was 9x not sure the exact kernel version |
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| 07:25.48 | ompaul | not the question, which file system were you running |
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| 07:26.19 | DrkCodeman | ext4 |
| 07:26.41 | project2501a | DrkCodeman: are you sure you are running Debian? |
| 07:26.53 | DrkCodeman | no it was ubuntu lol |
| 07:27.04 | project2501a | please take this to #ubuntu then |
| 07:27.16 | DrkCodeman | lol im not here to talk about ubuntu |
| 07:27.27 | Wyzard | project2501a: That was mentioned at the start of the conversation, and DrkCodeman wasn't asking for help with it |
| 07:27.36 | project2501a | it does not seem you got anything to talk about in the first place. |
| 07:27.50 | project2501a | ok, so let's stick to the channel form please. |
| 07:28.13 | DrkCodeman | the situation was i was looking at a distro for my notebook |
| 07:28.18 | DrkCodeman | im undecided which one to install |
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| 07:28.32 | project2501a | DrkCodeman: take it to #debian-offtopic then |
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| 07:28.52 | project2501a | this is a Debian help channel. |
| 07:29.13 | DrkCodeman | so much help requests lol |
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| 07:29.26 | Wyzard | DrkCodeman: I use Debian sid for desktops I intend to maintain long-term, Debian stable for servers, and Ubuntu for temporary installations or desktops I don't intend to do significant maintenance or tuning on |
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| 07:30.09 | project2501a | i use ubuntu to hold the door open, lol |
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| 07:32.13 | DrkCodeman | debian doesn't run on pulseaudio does it? |
| 07:32.22 | Wyzard | Not by default, though it's available |
| 07:32.27 | DrkCodeman | good |
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| 07:34.19 | DrkCodeman | i wonder if there is a nzb for the latest version of debian? |
| 07:34.27 | DrkCodeman | err LTS |
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| 07:34.41 | Wyzard | a what? |
| 07:35.23 | DrkCodeman | newsbin download link "NZB" |
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| 07:35.39 | DrkCodeman | so i can download it utilizing my bandwith |
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| 07:36.11 | Wyzard | That's what bittorrent is for |
| 07:36.21 | DrkCodeman | BT's suck they go off ration |
| 07:36.26 | DrkCodeman | 6.0.1a is that LTS? |
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| 07:36.45 | Wyzard | 6.0.1a is the current release |
| 07:36.45 | valdyn | DrkCodeman: its not ubuntu |
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| 07:36.58 | Wyzard | Debian doesn't divide releases into LTS and non-LTS like Ubuntu does |
| 07:37.03 | DrkCodeman | never said it was ubuntu but i want something stable not the latest |
| 07:37.15 | Wyzard | All Debian releases are stable |
| 07:37.25 | Wyzard | The release cycle is roughly 2 years, not 6 months like Ubuntu |
| 07:37.31 | DrkCodeman | kk |
| 07:37.52 | Wyzard | and each release is supported up to about one year (IIRC) after the next one is released, so roughly 3 years support |
| 07:38.29 | DrkCodeman | 8 DVD disks? |
| 07:38.38 | Wyzard | You don't actually need them, but yes |
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| 07:39.00 | Wyzard | Get the netinst or businesscard CD, and it'll download other packages as necessary during installation |
| 07:39.07 | DrkCodeman | what are they the entire apt db lol |
| 07:39.11 | Wyzard | yes |
| 07:39.16 | Wyzard | most of which you'll never install |
| 07:39.24 | Wyzard | but some people want to have it all available offline |
| 07:39.37 | DrkCodeman | yeah i can always apt-get what i need |
| 07:39.45 | ompaul | DrkCodeman: you get disk one, and then do install and then exactly that |
| 07:40.31 | Wyzard | or just netinst instead of DVD 1 |
| 07:40.59 | Wyzard | which is preferable IMO because it doesn't leave you with a sources.list entry for that disc |
| 07:41.09 | DrkCodeman | yep |
| 07:41.15 | Wyzard | so when you install a package that happens to be on that disc, it just downloads it rather than asking you to insert the disc |
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| 07:44.47 | DrkCodeman | i had a 8GB flash drive damn kids must of lost it |
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| 07:46.09 | n00b2 | Wyzard, respect ! I was able to restore the #@$@$ machine |
| 07:46.11 | erAbuelo | buenos dias |
| 07:46.26 | Wyzard | n00b2: great |
| 07:46.34 | Wyzard | What'd it turn out to be? |
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| 07:47.38 | n00b2 | Wyzard, an installation script distroyed grub/grub.cfg - what i did was adding a break modifieng manually the grub.cfg mounting and rebooting |
| 07:48.09 | Wyzard | interesting |
| 07:48.17 | n00b2 | next using an old .deb package that had a working kernel package unpacking , fixing some lost inodes and finally it worked .. |
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| 07:49.05 | Wyzard | lost inodes... actual filesystem damage? |
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| 07:50.11 | n00b2 | yep |
| 07:50.21 | Wyzard | and an installation script that destroys grub.cfg is very badly-behaved |
| 07:50.46 | n00b2 | or the media itself (cd to ide card) |
| 07:51.11 | n00b2 | now i'm checking all |
| 07:53.02 | Bushmills | usb sticks have a higher tendency to accumulate errors, as they're usually not periodically fscked, and frequently, not mounted sync, or pulled out after sync/umount |
| 07:55.10 | n00b2 | *it was a cf to ide card not cd to ide card , the media looks ok (no errors ) I wonder how could I get lost inodes |
| 07:57.32 | Bushmills | powered down w/o shutdown |
| 07:57.52 | Wyzard | journaling should take care of that |
| 07:58.26 | Bushmills | journal on flash device? unless a file system, suited for flash |
| 07:58.35 | Wyzard | hmm, good point |
| 07:58.46 | Wyzard | I guess I shouldn't assume ext |
| 07:58.56 | n00b2 | this is a normal ext3 (the device is cool ) using incorrect fs then ? |
| 07:59.11 | Bushmills | ext2 probably preferable over ext3 for flash |
| 07:59.32 | n00b2 | reading about diffrence between ext2 and 3 |
| 07:59.33 | ompaul | n00b2: are you umounting it correctly? |
| 07:59.41 | Bushmills | depends a bit whether your CF card has wear balancing |
| 07:59.55 | Wyzard | though with wear leveling it shouldn't be as much of a big deal |
| 07:59.57 | Bushmills | even though, ext3 doesn't give you a real advantage. |
| 08:00.12 | Wyzard | Does ext2 support TRIM like ext3/4 do these days? |
| 08:00.23 | Bushmills | though with wear leveling, at least ext3 wouldn't hurt the device so much, compared to ext2 |
| 08:00.26 | Wyzard | (not that a CF card reader would, I assume) |
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| 08:10.19 | treebeen | well, my usb with debian and ext2 is so slow in writing, I think next time I pick ext3/4 |
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| 08:10.49 | Wyzard | I use UDF on my flash drive |
| 08:11.11 | Wyzard | doesn't suck like FAT, but it's supported by Windows and Mac OS |
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| 08:11.59 | treebeen | Wyzard: ah, might try that then |
| 08:13.28 | Bushmills | http://www.nerd-supreme.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/11.png <- ext2 write performance supposedly higher than ext3 |
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| 08:14.52 | streuner_ | Wyzard: hm, NTFS is supported by OSX too |
| 08:15.18 | Wyzard | I'd rather not use a filesystem that has ownership and permissions |
| 08:15.28 | Wyzard | They don't make sense for a drive that moves between machines |
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| 08:17.23 | Bushmills | relatively consistent with http://www.pro-linux.de/artikel/2/224/3,das-dateisystem-ext4.html, though in here, ext4 writes slightly slower than ext2. block sizes written may differ between articles, also aspects like seek time etc. |
| 08:17.24 | geekie | streuner_: not supported by default, you need a plugin. |
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| 08:17.47 | geekie | Which is very easy t install tho |
| 08:17.55 | streuner_ | heh |
| 08:18.09 | streuner_ | geekie: nah, i dont have any idea about OSX... |
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| 08:19.05 | streuner_ | dpkg, start an FS war |
| 08:19.05 | dpkg | Who needs a file system? Use orthogonal persistency! |
| 08:19.25 | Bushmills | yay. direct block addressing |
| 08:19.49 | ompaul | Bushmills: do it indirectly for more fun |
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| 08:20.06 | Bushmills | can do, using a load block |
| 08:20.14 | RockTeam | Hello All! |
| 08:20.17 | Wyzard | Isn't indirect block addressing basically what a filesystem provides? :-) |
| 08:20.28 | RockTeam | Could somebody help me please? |
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| 08:20.33 | ompaul | Wyzard: shh, you'll let the cat out of the bag |
| 08:20.39 | dude7064 | Anybody has experience with the facebook Graph API or used it in the past ?? |
| 08:20.42 | RockTeam | Topic: Exaile Radio |
| 08:20.46 | streuner_ | RockTeam: just ask |
| 08:20.48 | Bushmills | RockTeam: need a lawyer, or medical attention? |
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| 08:21.02 | ompaul | Bushmills: mechanic |
| 08:21.07 | Wyzard | dude7064: #debian isn't really the right place for that |
| 08:21.13 | ompaul | shuts up |
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| 08:21.49 | streuner_ | dpkg, tell+ RockTeam -about ask |
| 08:21.56 | dude7064 | Whyzard> suggestions for a more suitable channel ? |
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| 08:22.31 | RockTeam | When I try to update Radio Steams I see Error connecting to Shoutcast Radio |
| 08:22.45 | RockTeam | Could somebody try? |
| 08:23.15 | Wyzard | dude7064: I don't know of anything about channels relating to web programming on freenode, sorry |
| 08:23.50 | babilen | dude7064: Which programming language to you develop in? |
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| 08:24.20 | RockTeam | I mean to try update Radio list in Exaile app. |
| 08:24.37 | RockTeam | Is it working on your PC? |
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| 08:26.06 | streuner_ | RockTeam: Do you use testing or unstable? |
| 08:26.20 | RockTeam | I use stable |
| 08:26.26 | streuner_ | hm |
| 08:27.08 | streuner_ | Even stable isnt free of some bugs |
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| 08:27.47 | streuner_ | RockTeam: are there some logs about (connection)? |
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| 08:28.06 | RockTeam | I can listen internet radio but via Exaile but using direct steam link. |
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| 08:29.14 | RockTeam | Previously I was able to click on radio stations in Exaile Radio menu |
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| 08:29.59 | RockTeam | And now it's not working for me. Could somebody try the same? |
| 08:30.14 | RockTeam | Is it my problem or not? |
| 08:30.48 | streuner_ | RockTeam: i cannot see any changes lately... - http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/e/exaile/exaile_0.2.14+debian-2.3/changelog |
| 08:31.49 | RockTeam | The steams can't be loaded :( |
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| 08:32.36 | RockTeam | I use Exaile 3.2.0 |
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| 08:33.20 | streuner_ | oh, you dont use stable then |
| 08:33.55 | streuner_ | 3.2 isnt in stable |
| 08:34.27 | RockTeam | Oh! Thanks for note! |
| 08:34.53 | Bushmills | right, that's wheezy or sid |
| 08:34.55 | RockTeam | What ver. is in stable? |
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| 08:35.35 | streuner_ | RockTeam: What does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 08:36.14 | RockTeam | Just a moment I'll check |
| 08:36.20 | streuner_ | RockTeam: we need to know what version of Debian you are using, and what or might you did in order to have 3.2 installed |
| 08:37.18 | RockTeam | root@acer:~# dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 08:37.19 | RockTeam | ii libc6 2.11.1-0ubuntu7.8 |
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| 08:37.43 | streuner_ | RockTeam: please ask #ubuntu then |
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| 08:38.07 | Bushmills | maybe buggy program because of buggy distribution? |
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| 08:38.42 | RockTeam | Ok. I used Debian before I bough Acer D260 |
| 08:38.49 | streuner_ | well, i got an error with 3.2 in unstable too... |
| 08:38.50 | RockTeam | Thanks a lot! |
| 08:39.10 | RockTeam | Error with update steams? |
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| 08:39.16 | streuner_ | yeah |
| 08:39.36 | RockTeam | Cool. I'll write to developers. |
| 08:39.41 | Bushmills | that guy. blatantly lieing thathe's using stable ... |
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| 08:40.17 | Wyzard | Well, he's probably using a stable release, just of a different distro |
| 08:40.22 | mah454 | I receive this error after run grub-rescue : "/usr/bin/grub-mkrescue: 324: xorriso: not found" |
| 08:40.47 | mah454 | how i can fix it ? |
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| 08:42.14 | Bushmills | aptitude install xorriso might do |
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| 08:42.22 | RockTeam | http://www.exaile.org - 0.3.2 released! 2010-06-25 18:37 |
| 08:42.53 | Bushmills | though i don't know why grub-mkrescue wanted it. it's a tool for creating iso9660 images |
| 08:43.07 | RockTeam | I thought that it's stable. |
| 08:43.27 | babilen | RockTeam: Debian stable |
| 08:43.40 | mah454 | I need use this command for make new live cd ... |
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| 08:45.49 | Bushmills | "because i used debian before, i can't tell apart debian and ubuntu know, and forgot what i'm using right now" grin |
| 08:45.54 | Bushmills | now |
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| 08:47.11 | mah454 | grub2 have not stage2_eltorito file ! |
| 08:47.46 | erAbuelo | ta lueeeeg |
| 08:47.53 | Bushmills | only grub-legacy does |
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| 08:50.21 | Bushmills | !es |
| 08:50.21 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 08:51.05 | SpArTaK | que significa |
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| 09:00.33 | neoice | how does one handle when certain packages (like wordpress) demand apache2-prefork and mod_php even though I'm using fcgi and php-cgi? |
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| 09:02.49 | cusco_ | that is a good question and I really dunno the answer, but I would install wordpress from mainstream |
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| 09:03.38 | robert83a2 | hello, I've got a dhcp server here, and got a global section in which i've set dns 192.168.210.2 for all clients, now I have a group { dns 192.168.210.1 ; client1 } ... the problem is this client sometimes picks up 192.168.210.2 anyway...if I refresh it gets 192.168.210.1 , I don't know how can I overwrite dhcpd conf per client if necesary only the dns part |
| 09:03.51 | neoice | cusco_: hm, perhaps I should. I like using .debs when possible though and I liked the default setup on Debian. |
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| 09:04.42 | chrissbx | Hello. Has anyone had success configuring gmail as smarthost in exim4? |
| 09:05.17 | Wyzard | neoice: I'd file a bug -- the dependency list ought to include php-cgi, or some virtual package that includes it, as an alternative |
| 09:05.55 | Wyzard | neoice: Wait, it looks to me like the dependencies are correct |
| 09:05.58 | neoice | Wyzard: yeah it should and I'm planning one it once I finish this migration. unless there's some reason wordpress3 _cant_ use fcgi, which would shock me |
| 09:06.21 | Wyzard | neoice: wordpress depends on libapache2-mod-php5 or php5, the latter of which is a metapackage |
| 09:06.24 | neoice | Wyzard: dep: libapache2-mod-php5, that conflicts with mpm-worker |
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| 09:06.32 | babilen | chrissbx: Yes |
| 09:06.33 | neoice | unless I dont have php5? |
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| 09:06.54 | Wyzard | neoice: and php5 depends on libapache2-mod-php5 or libapapache2-mod-php5filter or php5-cgi |
| 09:07.07 | babilen | chrissbx: What is your problem? |
| 09:07.07 | neoice | oh me, using Install-Recommends false. |
| 09:07.11 | Wyzard | neoice: so with php5-cgi installed, you should be able to install php5 and satisfy wordpress's dependency |
| 09:07.20 | neoice | nothing else pulled in php5 :P |
| 09:07.31 | robert83a2 | think I got it , host { dns 192.168.210.1, mac : xx:xx:xx:xx:xx , ip xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx } |
| 09:07.40 | neoice | that does appear to have solved it, thanks Wyzard |
| 09:07.42 | robert83a2 | global is overriden by subnet, subnet is overriden by host |
| 09:08.25 | Wyzard | neoice: You might want to file a bug anyway -- wordpress shouldn't list libapache2-mod-php5 as an alternative to php5 when php5 has that as a dependency already |
| 09:08.27 | chrissbx | babilen: always getting "host gmail-smtp-msa.l.google.com [74.125.95.109]: 530-5.5.1 Authentication Required. Learn more at\n530 5.5.1 http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=14257" |
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| 09:09.01 | Wyzard | neoice: That indirection may be what prevented apt from figuring out on its own that it can satisfy wordpress's dependencies by installing php5 without needing the libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 09:09.03 | babilen | neoice: You can prevent the installation of recommended packages with the "-R" / "--without-recommends" options of aptitude |
| 09:09.31 | Wyzard | I don't see how recommends are involved here, though |
| 09:09.45 | Wyzard | wordpress's only recommendation is wordpress-l10n |
| 09:10.14 | chrissbx | babilen: Hm, http://www.glorat.net/2008/11/ubuntu-804-hardy-gmail-smarthost-setup-with-exim4.html says to use *.google.com, weird, I've configured smtp.gmail.com and *.1e100.net the latter being the reverse lookup for the former |
| 09:10.28 | neoice | its not directly. I'm guessing that php5-cgi (or some of the other php stuff) would have recommended "php5", but I dont use recommends |
| 09:10.50 | chrissbx | babilen: seems you have to use smtp.google.com ?? (whereas gmail docs are talking about smtp.gmail.com) |
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| 09:11.01 | Wyzard | neoice: There's a hard dependency chain, wordpress -> php5 -> php5-cgi |
| 09:11.41 | Wyzard | neoice: You didn't need something to recommend php5, you needed apt to look past wordpress's dependency on libapache2-mod-php5 to notice that the alternate dependency on php5 can be satisfied more easily |
| 09:11.42 | chrissbx | babilen: also, is there a way to see the traffic between exim and google in cleartext? |
| 09:12.08 | babilen | chrissbx: Ok, I configure exim4 as smarthost on smtp.gmail.com::587, enable TLS and use "gmail-smtp.l.google.com:USER@gmail.com:PASSWORD" *and* "*l.google.com:USER@gmail.com:PASSWORD" in /etc/exim4/passwd.client -- One might actually not be necessary :-\ |
| 09:13.07 | chrissbx | hu even weirder, as smtp.gmail.com doesn't resolve to any *.google.com; but going to try |
| 09:14.02 | babilen | chrissbx: It works fine with both in /etc/exim4/passwd.client -- I am not 100% sure if *both* are actually needed though :) |
| 09:14.42 | chrissbx | yeah and what if it's not l.google.com... |
| 09:14.43 | babilen | chrissbx: Ah, the second is actually: "*..google.com:USER@gmail.com:PASSWORD" -- sorry for the "l" |
| 09:14.50 | chrissbx | ah |
| 09:15.17 | chrissbx | still wondering how comes exim would look up entry for *.google.com |
| 09:15.22 | chrissbx | and do you have two dots there? |
| 09:15.26 | babilen | gah, two dots ... it is "*.google.com:USER@gmail.com:PASSWORD" -- /me gets another cup of tea |
| 09:15.38 | chrissbx | :) |
| 09:15.46 | chrissbx | going to try |
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| 09:16.35 | nkuttler | hrm. wasn't there a gui ebay sniper in debian? all i can find is esniper which is cli |
| 09:16.51 | fbs | what is the best way to get a minimal xorg installation ? xserver-xorg-core installs shit like input-wacom & video-voodoo, |
| 09:17.10 | chrissbx | babilen: *.google.com works. Still super weird, but *thanks*! |
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| 09:17.39 | babilen | chrissbx: wonderful |
| 09:17.52 | |Lupin| | hello, everybody |
| 09:18.17 | |Lupin| | I'm having problems with Gnome un an up-to-date Debian unstable |
| 09:18.49 | |Lupin| | I was told to check that my packages have been correctly installed but have no idea about how to do so. |
| 09:19.01 | babilen | |Lupin|: Who told you that? |
| 09:19.21 | |Lupin| | Is there something special to do to verify that all the installed packages have their dependencies satisfied, or is this verified automatically by aptitude for instance ? |
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| 09:19.54 | |Lupin| | babilen: soneone on the orca-list mailing list, list of the gnome-orca screen reader (I'm blind) |
| 09:19.57 | babilen | |Lupin|: Generally speaking yes -- Output of "aptitude search ~b" might be worth a look. |
| 09:19.59 | Wyzard | |Lupin|: aptitude automatically tries to resolve any broken dependencies |
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| 09:20.32 | Wyzard | apt-get won't even let you install things if there are unsatisfied dependencies, other than the necessary packages to resolve the problem |
| 09:20.34 | babilen | |Lupin|: You can install missing dependencies (which result in broken packages) by running "aptitude -f install" |
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| 09:20.56 | |Lupin| | okay |
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| 09:20.58 | babilen | |Lupin|: But those should be installed automatically. |
| 09:21.03 | |Lupin| | tries aptitude seach ~b |
| 09:21.27 | |Lupin| | pB libgpod-nogtk-dev - development files for libgpod (version wit |
| 09:21.32 | |Lupin| | that's the only result... |
| 09:21.45 | babilen | |Lupin|: What is your problem with Orca? (I have never used it, so can't really help) |
| 09:21.52 | |Lupin| | More specifically, here is an example of one error message I get: |
| 09:22.01 | babilen | |Lupin|: wonderful :) |
| 09:22.36 | |Lupin| | x-session-manager[6325]: WARNING: Could not connect to ConsoleKit: Could not get owner of name 'org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit': no such name |
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| 09:23.59 | |Lupin| | Another one that worries me is: ** (gnome-panel:6648): WARNING **: Could not ask session manager if shut down is available: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. |
| 09:24.05 | babilen | |Lupin|: You could install the "consolekit" package -- But what is the problem with the orca reader? Or what are your problems with Gnome? |
| 09:24.26 | oobe | |Lupin|, the problem is to do with consolekit i had problems like that before reinstalling or downgrading fixed it |
| 09:25.06 | |Lupin| | babilen: well orca does not work anylonger... it does not show any applicaiton on the braille display |
| 09:25.55 | babilen | |Lupin|: That is quite a big problem, but I guess that orca breaks on sid once in a while. I'll have a look at the bug reports. |
| 09:26.44 | babilen | |Lupin|: You might want to install "pastebinit" and run "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net ~/.xsession-errors" -- Please also paste any orca logs or error messages you get. |
| 09:26.53 | |Lupin| | babilen: hmm actually another user running exactly the same version of Debian reported his installation is working so that's why I'm assuming the issue is more specific to my own system... |
| 09:27.13 | |Lupin| | oobe: which version of consolekit do you have ? and did you install policykit ? |
| 09:27.59 | oobe | yes i have policykit installed but i was using a different distro when i had that problem |
| 09:28.19 | oobe | it caused a minor annoyance during login with kdm but that was it |
| 09:29.23 | |Lupin| | One third thing that does not look quite normal to me is this: |
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| 09:30.24 | |Lupin| | x-session-manager[6325]: WARNING: Could not launch application 'gnome-volume-manager.desktop': Unable to start application: L'exécution du processus fils « /usr/lib/gnome-volume-manager/gnome-volume-manager » a échoué (Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type) |
| 09:30.35 | babilen | |Lupin|: Could you try to run orca from the command line? Do you get any errors? |
| 09:30.47 | |Lupin| | it's in french but it says that the execution of the child process failed, no such file or directory |
| 09:31.24 | |Lupin| | babilen: I tried this already, weexplored orca with its maintainer on IRCand were not able to find anything... |
| 09:31.41 | babilen | |Lupin|: gnome-volume-manager is long gone. The functionality was merged into nautilus (a very bad decision IMHO) |
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| 09:31.56 | |Lupin| | I really do thinkthere are strange things happening at the gnome level already and that if these could be fixed that may ix the Orca problem, too |
| 09:32.16 | babilen | |Lupin|: I am afraid that I probably can't offer more help than the maintainer :-\ |
| 09:32.33 | |Lupin| | babilen: ok, but if it's gone, isn't it weird that it still tries to run it ? |
| 09:33.32 | babilen | |Lupin|: Well, you might start with all packages that are no longer available in sid. "aptitude search ~o" will show you those. A look at errors/logs would also be good (~/.xsession-errors and orca specific one) -- Can you run orca from the command line and do you get errors? |
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| 09:35.46 | |Lupin| | http://pastebin.com/5sXccbLE |
| 09:35.52 | |Lupin| | for the .xsession-errors |
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| 09:36.05 | |Lupin| | the output of orca debugging was quite minimal... |
| 09:36.39 | babilen | |Lupin|: So, you don't actually get any errors from orca it just "doesn't work" ? |
| 09:37.38 | |Lupin| | babilen: yes |
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| 09:37.54 | babilen | |Lupin|: wonderful (not) |
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| 09:38.34 | |Lupin| | Orca's debugging output is here |
| 09:39.45 | |Lupin| | so aptitude search ~o shows what ? all the packages that should not be installed on a sid system ? |
| 09:39.54 | babilen | |Lupin|: Well, I would start by cleaning the system of obsolete packages and by (re-)installing consolekit -- Afterwards I would work through the errors in ~/.xsession-errors -- The "Avertissement du gestionnaire" on line 10 looks in need of a fix too, but I don't speak french. |
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| 09:41.20 | babilen | |Lupin|: "aptitude search ~o" shows obsolete packages. Packages are considered obsolete if they are not available in the currently configured repositories. The set of obsolete packages therefore comprises those installed from third-party repos (think skype) and those that have been removed in sid. |
| 09:41.39 | babilen | |Lupin|: Where is the orca debugging? |
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| 09:42.46 | babilen | |Lupin|: Hei, I have to go now ... Sorry, but I'll be back later. I wish you all the best and hope you have it fixed soon. Running Debian stable is always an option, you know ;) |
| 09:42.53 | |Lupin| | http://pastebin.com/LXybFsQw |
| 09:43.19 | |Lupin| | oh well... downgrading... hmm ! |
| 09:43.36 | |Lupin| | anyway thanks a lot for the hints babilen ! will try them ! |
| 09:44.28 | babilen | |Lupin|: The orca output looks OK -- *shrug* no idea what's wrong here |
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| 09:56.19 | |Lupin| | okay ! |
| 09:56.24 | |Lupin| | I've found a nice thing |
| 09:56.34 | |Lupin| | root can use orca |
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| 10:00.00 | koskoz | do you know a good script that backup all my db daily ? |
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| 10:01.01 | babilen | |Lupin|: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=537101 (you should provide more information to that bug) |
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| 10:06.20 | ragnar76 | hi folks |
| 10:06.54 | binaryfungi | hey |
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| 10:07.26 | cusco_ | koskoz: yse mysqldump |
| 10:07.28 | cusco_ | use |
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| 10:07.48 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 10:07.52 | cusco_ | hi |
| 10:07.59 | ragnar76 | in a dual monitor setup, is it possible to start an app at monitor 2 only? |
| 10:08.08 | man_in_shack | i have a raw harddisk image. is there a tool i can use to split it into partition images? |
| 10:08.43 | ragnar76 | (c)fdisk in a console for example |
| 10:08.54 | petemc | kpartx |
| 10:09.45 | man_in_shack | kpartx? |
| 10:09.49 | petemc | yes |
| 10:10.12 | man_in_shack | sets up device mappings? |
| 10:10.24 | petemc | it does exactly what you need |
| 10:10.40 | man_in_shack | ok then |
| 10:11.06 | petemc | man_in_shack: does your raw hard disk image contain partitions already? |
| 10:11.11 | thinksteve | ragnar76: Depends on your setup, graphic card driver and capabilities of your window manager. |
| 10:11.11 | man_in_shack | yes |
| 10:11.14 | petemc | then yes |
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| 10:11.29 | petemc | kpartx -l image , will list the partitions |
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| 10:12.58 | man_in_shack | nice |
| 10:12.58 | man_in_shack | ty |
| 10:13.10 | ragnar76 | thinksteve: i have a very usual gnome2 desktop on wheezy. i have already setup the dual display |
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| 10:14.23 | thinksteve | ragnar76: So what's your problem? Fullscreen spanning over both screens or your application window launches on the wrong display? |
| 10:14.35 | man_in_shack | hm |
| 10:14.55 | koskoz | cusco: I know mysqldump, but I want a more elaborated script which automatically sorts my backups and backups all my dbs. |
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| 10:15.00 | ragnar76 | last one. applications starts on wrong display |
| 10:15.19 | cusco_ | koskoz: I don't understand |
| 10:15.36 | cusco_ | I myself have a script that does stuff with the dump, but the dump itself is only one command |
| 10:16.11 | koskoz | cusco_: I know, but I don't want to write these script :o |
| 10:16.16 | man_in_shack | apparently device-mapper is missing from my kernel |
| 10:16.45 | cusco_ | mysqldump -R -h$HOST -u$USER -p$PASS --routines --all-databases > $MYSQLDUMP |
| 10:16.57 | cusco_ | that will backup ALL DB's to one single dump |
| 10:17.40 | ragnar76 | thinksteve: last one. applications starts on wrong display |
| 10:18.05 | koskoz | cusco_: I want separate file for all db. I think I've found a good script but dunno if I'll be able to set it up : http://www.linux-backup.net/scripts/Backup.pl |
| 10:18.50 | ragnar76 | thinksteve: i have played around with "--geometry" and "--display" but they do not that way i have expected |
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| 10:20.15 | thinksteve | ragnar76: I'm not sure if metacity is capable of that, but fluxbox is. Right click on the window's entry in the window list should allow you to select which display it should launch on in the future. If not, metacity should be able to spawn the windows on the display which currently has your mouse focus. |
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| 10:21.10 | cusco_ | echo "show databases"|mysql -uuser -ppassword -hhost -N|while read db; do mysqldump -R -hhost -ppassword -uuser $db > /backups/sql/$db.sql; done |
| 10:21.14 | cusco_ | koskoz: |
| 10:21.24 | thinksteve | ragnar76: Are your displays recognized as two independent screens by xrandr? |
| 10:22.06 | ragnar76 | thinksteve: yes, i guess. vga1 and dvi1 |
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| 10:22.48 | makoto_ | morning |
| 10:22.59 | ragnar76 | thinksteve: http://pastebin.com/kNytkYRh |
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| 10:23.55 | koskoz | thanks cusco_ |
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| 10:24.01 | man_in_shack | ok, found it |
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| 10:26.33 | thinksteve | ragnar76: So it's up to your window manager now to manage your windows the way you want it to. But I can't help you with metacity, as I don't use it. |
| 10:27.31 | ragnar76 | thinksteve: it's ok. was just a question. maybe someone else knows an answer. thanks a lot |
| 10:28.20 | thinksteve | At least it is possible, but I don't know if metacity supports it. :) |
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| 10:43.16 | thinksteve | ragnar76|away: According to statements of gnome devs, metacity is not meant to do windows placement. devilspie is said to work arround this flaw: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/devilspie |
| 10:43.23 | thinksteve | -s |
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| 10:59.44 | ragnar76 | thinksteve: you speak german? |
| 10:59.44 | neoice | apache2 in debian is pretty significantly modified from upstream, correct? |
| 11:00.20 | ragnar76 | thinksteve: or get i a translated website? |
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| 11:01.10 | jelly-home | neoice: not really. All the paths are different, there's scripts to manage configuration files, but the code usually isn't messed with, much |
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| 11:02.33 | cusco_ | I agree, only configuration changes |
| 11:02.35 | neoice | jelly-home: are all the paths configurable in ./configure? there's a _lot_ of paths involved in apache |
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| 11:03.18 | Insidious | This is going to be an odd question |
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| 11:03.45 | Insidious | But I just tried to read a bug report and was completely and utterly confused by the usage of acronyms which, in my mind, mean entirely different things from what they mean to a debian maintainer |
| 11:04.04 | jelly-home | neoice: apache source provides a mechanism to define them all from a single file |
| 11:04.07 | Insidious | specifically: RM: mp32ogg -- ROM; RC buggy; unmaintained upstream |
| 11:04.34 | Insidious | Read Only Memory? Release Candidate buggy? Theres no release candidate for this package and I don't know what read only memory has to do with anything, so I am a very, very confused man. |
| 11:05.03 | neoice | jelly-home: looks like config.layout. good tip :D |
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| 11:05.30 | Tamago | Is there a way to require keyfiles and passwords (both) while using LUKS, truecrypt style? |
| 11:05.34 | Insidious | so, yeah, anybody know what that actually means? |
| 11:05.35 | neoice | oh right, it even includes options for various setups, OSX, FreeBSD, /opt, Debian, etc... I've seen this before |
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| 11:06.25 | jelly-home | neoice: what are you attempting to do? |
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| 11:07.13 | neoice | jelly-home: build apache23 (or even 24/trunk) and then package it up nice and cleanly to push out via my local repo :D |
| 11:07.33 | jelly-home | neoice: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 11:07.36 | jelly-home | neoice: /msg dpkg uupdate |
| 11:07.44 | thinksteve | ragnar76: debian.org seems to deliver pages in your language automatically, if they're available, but I do speak german as well. |
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| 11:08.47 | neoice | jelly-home: uhhh... wow, uupdate sounds pretty amazing. |
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| 11:09.18 | |Lupin| | till soon folks, thanks for helping ! |
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| 11:09.42 | jelly-home | neoice: it's not magical, it just gets previous debian packaging and tries to apply it on a fresh upstream tarball. If too many things are change it's going to break |
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| 11:10.04 | neoice | apache23 is a pretty major feature jump, so it might not work |
| 11:10.29 | jelly-home | neoice: I'd start from debian packaging and remove any code patches that clashed |
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| 11:22.51 | neoice | jelly-home: doesnt look like any of these patches are going to apply, but we'll see |
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| 11:25.36 | kdeuser^ | Hey, I am running 6.0.1, does anyone feel iceweasel a bit slow in scrolling? I find no problems in firefox4 or chrome |
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| 11:33.07 | thewanderer1 | guys, in OpenOffice.org Writer (Squeeze), I can't see Times New Roman font in the font list, even though it can be used (when I type in the font name, it is applied). Why is that? |
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| 11:33.32 | SY50P | ftp://digdist.bbsindex.com/uploads/UP_OTHER/00index.html?$gm1vhtv4 |
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| 11:35.02 | robokop | thewanderer1: you sure it is times new roman that is applied or some lookalike font that is installed? |
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| 11:37.05 | thewanderer1 | robokop: I'm not exactly sure, but it kind of looks like it - I've just checked all fonts from the list and none of them was this |
| 11:37.24 | thewanderer1 | or at least the fallback font is not on the list, either |
| 11:37.35 | robokop | thewanderer1: then i'm at a loss |
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| 11:38.44 | thewanderer1 | I thought that maybe the font is non-free and that's why it doesn't show up... |
| 11:39.00 | robokop | if it is installed it should show up |
| 11:39.12 | Wyzard | thewanderer1: It is non-free, and won't even be present on the system unless you have the "msttcorefonts" package installed (or if you've installed the .ttf manually) |
| 11:39.23 | Wyzard | thewanderer1: but there's a free clone called Liberation that you might have |
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| 11:41.02 | thewanderer1 | Wyzard: oh, ok. at the second glance, it looks similar, indeed. it's just some size adjustments that OO.o does automatically that make me think that those are different. thanks! |
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| 11:41.36 | robokop | Wyzard: msttcorefonts is a virtual package at the moment, you should use ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
| 11:42.11 | thewanderer1 | gladly, this is a "main"+"contrib" machine only :) |
| 11:42.23 | Wyzard | thewanderer1: Liberation was commissioned by Red Hat to be a set of free alternatives with the same metrics as the MS fonts |
| 11:43.07 | Wyzard | thewanderer1: meaning that all the letter sizes are the same as in the MS fonts, so a document that specifies Times New Roman or Arial can be viewed with its Liberation equivalent and everything will still be laid out as intended |
| 11:43.22 | thewanderer1 | great |
| 11:43.54 | wissem | hi all |
| 11:44.48 | wissem | i'm trying to install plymouth on my debian squeeze, but when i did apt-get install plymouth the package get installed but it comes up |
| 11:45.01 | wissem | with these warnings http://pastebin.com/F2fcQrf1 |
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| 11:45.41 | babilen | wissem: You might want to install firmware-linux-nonfree from <non-free> |
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| 11:47.43 | babilen | wissem: That assumes that you have a tg3 NIC -- Could you paste the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet" in here please? |
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| 11:48.46 | wissem | babilen: #flood 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM5787M Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express [14e4:1693] (rev 02) |
| 11:49.01 | babilen | wissem: Yes, you want to install firmware for those |
| 11:49.03 | babilen | !tg3 |
| 11:49.03 | dpkg | [tg3] the driver for Broadcom Tigon3 (aka NetXtreme I) Ethernet chipsets, included in mainline Linux kernels. Firmware from userspace (Debian 2.6.29 and later kernels) is only required for support of the BCM5701 A0 chipset or for TCP Segment Offloading (<TSO>) functionality. Tigon3 firmware (tg3.bin, tg3_tso5.bin, tg3_tso.bin) is packaged in firmware-linux-nonfree, ask me about <non-free sources>. See also <firmware images>. |
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| 11:49.30 | wissem | babilen: it works your command, another thing please |
| 11:49.47 | wissem | i cant install this aptitude install libdrm-intel1 |
| 11:50.00 | wissem | althought i have an intel card |
| 11:50.09 | babilen | wissem: Or rather: The reason for the message is that you don't have the firmware installed which is needed by the bcm5701 A0 chipset (that you don't have) but tg3 *might* need it |
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| 11:50.36 | babilen | !bat |
| 11:50.36 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 11:50.55 | babilen | wissem: Could you provide this ^^^ information on http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 11:51.13 | doublehp | how do i make a process not use more than 50% CPU ? nice does not do what i want; nice make load get bigger |
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| 11:51.51 | babilen | ,info cpulimit |
| 11:51.52 | judd | Package cpulimit (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: tool for limiting the CPU usage of a process. Version: 1.1-13; Size: 10.1k; Installed: 60k; Homepage: http://cpulimit.sourceforge.net/ |
| 11:51.59 | babilen | doublehp: ^^^ |
| 11:52.02 | doublehp | y |
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| 11:52.21 | babilen | doublehp: I have never used it though, so YMMV |
| 11:52.29 | Wyzard | doublehp: Why do you want to do that? |
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| 11:53.05 | babilen | Wyzard: The process finishes too fast maybe ;) |
| 11:53.14 | doublehp | a process usually takes 100% during several minutes, and this makes load go high; i need load to stay low at any price |
| 11:53.20 | Wyzard | doublehp: If there are other things competing for the CPU, the scheduler will automatically give each one a fraction of the time |
| 11:53.24 | babilen | doublehp: Why is that? |
| 11:53.33 | doublehp | yes, duration does not matter, as long as job is done in less than 1h |
| 11:53.35 | Wyzard | and if there's nothing else running, I see no sense in wasting cycles that could be used |
| 11:53.52 | babilen | me neither :-\ |
| 11:54.05 | doublehp | babilen: high load means less reactivity from user point of view |
| 11:54.06 | babilen | doublehp: Why is it so important to keep the load minimised? |
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| 11:54.30 | doublehp | and high load has many 2nd and 3rd degree effects |
| 11:54.43 | babilen | doublehp: If you nice the process the scheduler should give priority to other processes. |
| 11:54.49 | wissem | babilen: i solved it actually thanks |
| 11:54.50 | Wyzard | doublehp: The load number is measurement -- the number itself doesn't affect things |
| 11:54.57 | doublehp | babilen: already niced, not suffisant |
| 11:55.03 | babilen | doublehp: Be that as it may, cpulimit is probably the tool you are looking for :) |
| 11:55.06 | Wyzard | doublehp: The *causes* of high load can have other side effects |
| 11:55.21 | wissem | how to know if my card support Modesetting ? |
| 11:55.38 | doublehp | Wyzard: when load >3, the machine is not responsive anymore ; vim itself freeses |
| 11:55.41 | babilen | doublehp: hehe "sueffisant" in Germand == "smug" in English ;) |
| 11:56.00 | babilen | German even |
| 11:56.08 | Wyzard | doublehp: but that's not caused by the load number, it's caused by processes competing for the CPU |
| 11:56.27 | doublehp | and what makes the load high is ONE process |
| 11:56.41 | doublehp | nice being unsuffisant, i wanna try sth else |
| 11:56.42 | Wyzard | doublehp: One process can't increase the load by 3 |
| 11:56.57 | doublehp | usually goes up to 5 |
| 11:57.11 | Wyzard | Does the process do lots of I/O? |
| 11:57.24 | babilen | doublehp: And it is a cpu-bound process not an i/o-bound one? |
| 11:57.29 | Wyzard | or fork lots of CPU-bound child processes? |
| 11:57.33 | babilen | Wyzard: hehe :) |
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| 11:58.00 | babilen | doublehp: If it does lots of i/o you should look into ionice as well |
| 11:58.08 | Wyzard | doublehp: The load number is just a count of how many processes are either runnable or waiting on I/O |
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| 11:58.19 | Wyzard | Naturally, one process can't contribute more than 1.0 to that count |
| 11:59.01 | babilen | ... or only indirectly by forking other processes |
| 11:59.05 | doublehp | wont ionice affect all process ? |
| 11:59.16 | Wyzard | but a process doing heavy I/O can cause lots of other processes to have to wait for their I/O, which can make the load number go up |
| 11:59.20 | Wyzard | no, ionice works on individual processes |
| 11:59.34 | doublehp | process creates many children; i need all children to be affected |
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| 11:59.48 | Wyzard | I/O priority is inherited just like CPU priority |
| 12:00.02 | babilen | doublehp: no it would not. It works just like nice, but affects the i/o behaviour of a process. Read its manpage -- But that won't help anything if the process is not performing any i/o -- What process is this? |
| 12:00.06 | doublehp | so you say nice+ionice should be sufficiant ? |
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| 12:00.19 | Wyzard | It depends on whether the process is CPU-bound or I/O-bound |
| 12:00.34 | babilen | doublehp: it is worth a try -- Hard to give better suggestion without any knowledge about the process in question |
| 12:00.36 | doublehp | it's creating children, and children do IO |
| 12:00.57 | Wyzard | If it's doing lots of disk access, ionice should help -- I use ionice to run big I/O-heavy batch jobs at idle I/O priority, so they don't impact desktop usage at all |
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| 12:01.18 | doublehp | GRAAAA kernel missing suport for iotop !!! |
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| 12:01.27 | Wyzard | If it's creating lots of CPU-bound children, the "group scheduling" feature added in kernel 2.6.38 should help |
| 12:01.48 | babilen | doublehp: And i/o contributes to the load -- I would really look into ionice before trying to limit the cpu usage of a process. The latter wouldn't even help if the load is due to i/o and not due to cpu usage. |
| 12:02.13 | doublehp | creates 1200 children, each open 4 files, and write 1; the lot takes 3mn, and it kills the box |
| 12:02.29 | babilen | Yeah, group scheduling would help. Do you use a custom kernel? |
| 12:02.33 | Wyzard | yeah, that sounds like it/s I/O killing the system |
| 12:02.35 | babilen | doublehp: So it is an i/o bound process |
| 12:02.38 | doublehp | default debian kernel |
| 12:02.58 | babilen | doublehp: iotop works without problem over here |
| 12:03.23 | doublehp | what's the nice command to make a process as weak as possible ? i never understand the logic |
| 12:03.54 | Wyzard | doublehp: Try "ionice -c3" |
| 12:04.01 | babilen | doublehp: the "nicer" (high value) a process is the more likely it is to let other processes have cpu cycles |
| 12:04.04 | Wyzard | That'll run it with idle I/O priority |
| 12:04.40 | xingu | doublehp: do you actually care about data persistence? there's various ways to mitigate the effect of poorly designed applications overwhelming the block layer. |
| 12:05.02 | doublehp | how do i chain nice +ionice ? |
| 12:05.16 | babilen | and yes, the application sounds not that well designed ... 1200 children wtf |
| 12:05.31 | Wyzard | doublehp: just write both on the command line; order shouldn't matter afaik |
| 12:05.38 | xingu | it's not the concurrency that hurts, it's the waiting on completions... |
| 12:05.48 | doublehp | options will shuffle ... |
| 12:06.07 | doublehp | do i want nice 19 or nice -19 ? |
| 12:06.38 | Wyzard | ionice -c3 nice -n19 cmd |
| 12:06.59 | babilen | doublehp: read what i wrote above -- what do you think? Do you want the process to be "nice" or "not nice" ? The value of niceness is in the range of -20 (not nice at all) to 19 (quite nice) |
| 12:07.07 | Wyzard | higher numbers are lower priority -- seems strange, but remember that niceness is inversely proportional to priority |
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| 12:07.53 | doublehp | xingu: persistance ? |
| 12:08.19 | xingu | doublehp: would it matter if the data on disk was lost or incoherent if the system rebooted/ lost power/ had a drive hiccup? |
| 12:08.36 | doublehp | babilen: nice to user != nice to CPU ... depends where you place your opint of view |
| 12:09.14 | babilen | doublehp: It is "nice to other processes" vs "quite a selfish process" ("all mine!! mua hua hua hua") |
| 12:09.24 | doublehp | xingu: machine never reboots, never ever |
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| 12:09.53 | Wyzard | doublehp: It reboots if the power goes out and the UPS runs down |
| 12:09.57 | doublehp | babilen: i won't even remember this ^^ |
| 12:09.58 | xingu | doublehp: then my suggestion is solve the actual problem; write to shmfs rather than block-backed store. |
| 12:10.07 | doublehp | Wyzard: UPS as 2h autonomy |
| 12:10.21 | Wyzard | doublehp: It reboots if the CPU overheats and dies |
| 12:10.23 | doublehp | xingu: not enough ram |
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| 12:10.38 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 12:10.40 | doublehp | never overheat |
| 12:10.51 | Wyzard | doublehp: You can't answer a question of "what happens if the machine crashes" with "it never crashes" |
| 12:10.54 | xingu | doublehp: is it not possible to rotate the data? |
| 12:10.58 | lenswipe | i have a USB floppy drive here, i plug it in and it mounts but when i double click it to try and view the contents of it, nothing happens |
| 12:11.01 | lenswipe | can someone help? |
| 12:11.08 | lenswipe | i dont get any error messages |
| 12:11.09 | lenswipe | just nothing |
| 12:11.13 | doublehp | i care about my machines, they have cool air, and i change all my fans periodicly ... |
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| 12:11.30 | wissem | babilen: i did everything correct but i get this message http://pastebin.com/DwjjHfr5 |
| 12:11.32 | lenswipe | doubledutch, i clean all my fans periodically - not change them though |
| 12:11.38 | xingu | doublehp: failing that, have a look into "nobarrier" mount option. |
| 12:11.50 | cusco_ | lenswipe: do you see it mounted under /media/ ? |
| 12:11.59 | lenswipe | cusco, lemme see.. |
| 12:12.06 | doublehp | Wyzard: last crash was when load came up to 1000 ; like 10 previous crashes : i have set an alert: load above 5 => email admin. Then i have 12h before load gets to 1000 |
| 12:12.06 | cusco_ | lenswipe: perhabps you can "ls /media/bla" |
| 12:12.12 | lenswipe | cusco, no |
| 12:12.21 | lenswipe | nothing under /media for the floppy drive |
| 12:12.23 | xingu | doublehp: and if you're using ext3, be aware that the journal design effectively serialises IO (so, maybe flash-backed ext3 journal, or, xfs might be a better pick) |
| 12:12.26 | cusco_ | lenswipe: what does 'dmesg|tail' say? |
| 12:12.32 | babilen | wissem: Are you on lenny? And I can't really help you with plymouth -- Never cared much about eye candy -- It seems to have problems with the bpo kernel |
| 12:12.45 | Wyzard | doublehp: It's good that you ensure your machines are unlikely to crash |
| 12:12.48 | doublehp | xingu: flash-backed ? |
| 12:12.53 | xingu | doublehp: fyi I routinely have 1000+ threads in D state, so I know your pain. |
| 12:12.54 | cusco_ | anything regarding fd0 lenswipe ? |
| 12:12.55 | lenswipe | cusco, http://pastebin.com/BiyS39Uz |
| 12:13.05 | xingu | doublehp: ssd |
| 12:13.15 | wissem | babilen: no i'm on squeeze, so should i upgrade my kernel ? |
| 12:13.21 | Wyzard | doublehp: but you still have to consider the possibility of what would happen if one did |
| 12:13.29 | xingu | doublehp: a decent flash chip will deal with _very_ deep workloads just fine |
| 12:13.31 | doublehp | xingu: yes, SSD; and i made journal commit every 5mn ... to avoid burning it; but i have a question for you |
| 12:13.31 | Wyzard | doublehp: just to make sure the result wouldn't be too disastrous |
| 12:13.38 | cusco_ | sdf, its not mounted is it? lenswipe try mount /dev/sdf1 /mnt/ as root |
| 12:13.39 | babilen | wissem: Could you paste the output of "aptitude search ~i~n^linux-image" please? |
| 12:13.50 | cusco_ | lenswipe: then try ls /mnt/ |
| 12:13.55 | lenswipe | ok |
| 12:13.59 | babilen | wissem: As well as "uname -a" |
| 12:14.18 | lenswipe | cusco, bash: /dev/sdf1: No such file or directory |
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| 12:14.44 | cusco_ | lenswipe: fdisk -l /dev/sdf should return partitions on sdf |
| 12:14.50 | cusco_ | any? |
| 12:14.59 | wissem | babilen: http://pastebin.com/HWTwUPqP |
| 12:15.02 | doublehp | xingu: it's very cheap SSD : ordinay CF (12¤) card on adapter (3¤); can not afford 300¤ for high perf stuff |
| 12:15.20 | lenswipe | cusco, http://pastebin.com/3FkYUkBH |
| 12:15.31 | babilen | wissem: Just purge the bpo kernel (aptitude purge linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-686) it is not needed anymore |
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| 12:15.48 | cusco_ | no partitions lenswipe |
| 12:15.51 | lenswipe | hmm |
| 12:15.53 | xingu | doublehp: should be fine, but keep an eye on interrupt load; CF is ~equivalent to PATA designwise. |
| 12:15.54 | lenswipe | seems not |
| 12:15.59 | lenswipe | cusco, meaning what? |
| 12:16.12 | wissem | babilen: okay, then it well do the changes on the other kernel right ? |
| 12:16.22 | doublehp | xingu: my basic problem is: it happens that even when the big process is not running, even when load is low, any process reading or writing disk can freese for 20 to 30s ... any clue ? |
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| 12:16.26 | doublehp | xingu: interrupt load ? |
| 12:16.29 | cusco_ | lenswipe: sorry I don't have enough experience with floppies to help you.. is really sdf your floppy?? I thought that it went under /dev/fd* |
| 12:16.40 | babilen | wissem: Remove the kernel and we can take it from there :) |
| 12:16.50 | lenswipe | cusco, bear in mind it is a USB floppy drive not a IDE one |
| 12:17.01 | cusco_ | oh |
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| 12:17.03 | xingu | doublehp: nb I can't stress enough the thing about ext3 serialising IO; what you have is reasonable for ext3 (journal on CF, then HDD backed store); if you get to using SSD store though, the IO pattern is parallel to the CF side, then in ext3 land *serial* log replay from there to disk. |
| 12:17.04 | cusco_ | that changes |
| 12:17.12 | Wyzard | lenswipe: Conventional floppy drives (the kind with a ribbon cable) aren't IDE |
| 12:17.19 | cusco_ | lenswipe: then you have no files in that floppy and you need to format it? |
| 12:17.20 | xingu | doublehp: the freeze is probably due to busy-waiting for an IO barrier |
| 12:17.29 | lenswipe | cusco, its not an empty floppy |
| 12:17.32 | lenswipe | Wyzard, whatever |
| 12:17.41 | lenswipe | cusco, or it shouldnt be |
| 12:17.48 | lenswipe | cusco, lemme go grab one i know is full just to check... |
| 12:17.49 | cusco_ | lenswipe: use either gparted or cfdisk and mkfs to format it |
| 12:17.58 | doublehp | xingu: will ionice help ? |
| 12:18.00 | xingu | doublehp: the solution is avoiding them - data=writeback,barrier=0 |
| 12:18.08 | ajikeshi_ | btw... what FS yre you using for floppy disc? ext2? |
| 12:18.14 | xingu | doublehp: but both impact the commit guarantee |
| 12:18.29 | lenswipe | cusco, i dont want to format it |
| 12:18.37 | cusco_ | what do you want to do with it? |
| 12:18.38 | xingu | doublehp: ie, what the process thinks it has written out, is not; a _better_ solution is fixing the application to avoid unnecessary fsync |
| 12:18.42 | lenswipe | cusco, read the stuff on it |
| 12:18.48 | cusco_ | it has no partitions, so no stuff on it |
| 12:18.49 | lenswipe | cusco, i just tried a disk with info on it |
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| 12:18.52 | lenswipe | cusco, its the same |
| 12:18.55 | doublehp | xingu: do you have an email so that we can have a quiet chat later on ? |
| 12:19.02 | lenswipe | cusco, yes it does have information on it - linux is doing something wrong |
| 12:19.18 | cusco_ | lenswipe: dmesg|tail check what the drive device is, and check partitions with fdisk -l /dev/blabla |
| 12:19.35 | lenswipe | cusco, we've been through this |
| 12:19.46 | cusco_ | well, yes but now its a new floppy |
| 12:19.47 | lenswipe | cusco, but it doesnt alter the fact that it works fine under windows |
| 12:19.50 | lenswipe | ok |
| 12:19.58 | cusco_ | aw... |
| 12:20.09 | xingu | doublehp: nb, it may be some other application that is fsync'ing the volume too; for instance syslogd default config does this after every line |
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| 12:20.32 | lenswipe | cusco, yeah same again, |
| 12:20.51 | xingu | doublehp: for now try data=writeback,barrier=0 and see what that does to responsiveness under stress; if nothing, this is a red herring/ dead end. |
| 12:21.32 | wissem | babilen: still the same problem with the other kernel :( |
| 12:21.36 | cusco_ | lenswipe: well I don't think I can help you then, good luck |
| 12:21.48 | wissem | anyway, will this affect on the boot up ? |
| 12:22.08 | lenswipe | thx |
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| 12:23.18 | babilen | wissem: I can't help you with plymouth -- And yes, a broken plymouth installation might affect boot. |
| 12:24.17 | wissem | babilen: how to fix it then ? purge the whole package ? |
| 12:24.25 | babilen | wissem: yeah |
| 12:24.42 | wissem | babilen: okay thanks a lot :) |
| 12:24.45 | babilen | wissem: You are sure that you followed the instructions and everything? |
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| 12:24.59 | babilen | wissem: I really know nothing about plymouth :) |
| 12:25.15 | abrotman | it was pretty painless on my netbook |
| 12:25.21 | wissem | babilen: yes i'm sure but it looks like a bug or something |
| 12:25.36 | babilen | wissem: http://wiki.debian.org/plymouth might come in handy -- abrotman seems to use it, maybe he can help you with the setup. |
| 12:25.51 | abrotman | babilen: i've "used it" :) |
| 12:25.56 | babilen | hehe |
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| 12:26.33 | wissem | abrotman: i get this when trying update-initramfs -u |
| 12:26.33 | wissem | E: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/plymouth failed with return 1. |
| 12:26.34 | wissem | update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 12:26.41 | wissem | any idea ? |
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| 12:27.04 | abrotman | i'd need way more info |
| 12:27.11 | abrotman | does that file even exist |
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| 12:27.44 | wissem | yes, it does |
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| 12:28.48 | abrotman | wissem: that comes from 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.32-5-686' ? |
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| 12:29.10 | wissem | abrotman: yes i guess |
| 12:29.51 | abrotman | don't guess .. check |
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| 12:35.22 | |Lupin| | Hi again |
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| 12:35.33 | |Lupin| | I'm the guy who came a few hours ago |
| 12:35.46 | |Lupin| | with an Orca proglem, the screen reader for gnome |
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| 12:36.02 | |Lupin| | Since I came I noticed that gdm does not even display its login banner |
| 12:36.07 | |Lupin| | Can anyone help with this ? |
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| 12:38.35 | sodhi | I am trying to make sure some of my servers applications are always running (namely a server which comes without an initd script), so far I've done it via crontab, but I'm beginning to suspect it's not a very resourceful way of doing so. Can anyone suggest a method of which to do it? |
| 12:39.36 | Bushmills | sodhi: check out monit |
| 12:39.46 | sodhi | Will do, thanks :) |
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| 12:41.54 | |Lupin| | any help for the gdm problem, please ? |
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| 12:43.51 | |Lupin| | hi again babilen |
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| 12:45.22 | sphenxes | is there any other ebook library management than calibre? |
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| 12:46.03 | |Lupin| | sphenxes: perhaps www.daisy.org and the daisy pipeline... |
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| 12:46.31 | casts | if i su to root, how would i get the user I sued to root as? |
| 12:46.38 | sphenxes | |Lupin|, thanks |
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| 12:47.29 | abrotman | casts: the authlog ? |
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| 12:48.43 | casts | was just reading this guy suggesting putting /home/$USER in roots .bashrc...but $USER always returns root whether i su or su - |
| 12:48.52 | casts | as i'd expect |
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| 12:53.41 | Bushmills | casts: do you su or su - ? |
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| 12:55.01 | casts | already addressed that yo |
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| 12:55.16 | Bushmills | in one case there's an easy way, in the other there isn't |
| 12:55.20 | Bushmills | so i can't tell you. |
| 12:55.39 | casts | ahh, i do both frequently |
| 12:56.01 | Bushmills | check $USERNAME |
| 12:56.44 | casts | empty in both cases |
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| 13:00.39 | Bushmills | ah, right. seems to be set by gui session manager |
| 13:01.03 | foobaru | Why are the testing/experimental repos older packages as well? I mean, even experimental is still running wine1.1 |
| 13:01.24 | foobaru | Chromium is version 10 still as well |
| 13:01.38 | abrotman | older than what? |
| 13:01.49 | foobaru | Arch/Fedora/Ubuntu |
| 13:01.56 | abrotman | those aren't Debian? |
| 13:02.15 | abrotman | the same people don't work on those distros .. they may have different software quality requirements |
| 13:02.25 | foobaru | No implying they were... |
| 13:02.50 | foobaru | In some instances the upgrades improve quality. For instance wine 1.1 is crap in comparison to 1.3 |
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| 13:03.24 | abrotman | so maybe the maintainer is busy |
| 13:03.32 | foobaru | I can understand the lower versions in Sid or wheezy... but in experimental? |
| 13:03.57 | abrotman | uhm .. what does experimental have to do with it? |
| 13:04.33 | foobaru | I just figured experimental wouldn't be running wine from 2 versions ago. |
| 13:04.44 | jelly-home | foobaru: experimental isn't actively pruned of cruft and may have older, buggy packages in it; at times older than what's in unstable |
| 13:04.47 | abrotman | experimental isn't a "version" of Debian |
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| 13:04.55 | abrotman | sometimes they leave old stuff in there |
| 13:04.56 | jelly-home | foobaru: it's not a complete repo. |
| 13:05.31 | jelly-home | foobaru: just a place to put packages that are known to be invomplete in case someone wants to play with them |
| 13:05.42 | foobaru | jelly-home, Oh I see. I'm usually an arch user so the different repository setup in Debian is a bit new. |
| 13:05.53 | abrotman | if you really want newer Wine .. you'd use the source, or the winehq packages .. |
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| 13:06.07 | casts | recompiles e17 |
| 13:06.08 | jelly-home | there are no recent winehq packages. |
| 13:06.14 | jelly-home | (for debian) |
| 13:06.16 | abrotman | !pal casts |
| 13:06.16 | dpkg | points at casts and laughs hysterically |
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| 13:06.26 | foobaru | abrotman, I had to install from a 3rd party who pre-packaged wine 1.3 |
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| 13:06.55 | jelly-home | foobaru: yeah, that seems a sensible option for 1.3 at the moment |
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| 13:07.10 | abrotman | really, do people use wine? :) |
| 13:07.16 | jelly-home | where "the moment" has been like 2 years or so :-| |
| 13:07.42 | foobaru | I'm just a little depressed that Sid has some packages that are a somewhat date in comparison to bleeding edge distros. |
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| 13:07.49 | casts | tries to think of a window app he wants to run |
| 13:07.52 | abrotman | foobaru: if you wade through the bug reports, you may find the reason why they're so old |
| 13:07.54 | jelly-home | abrotman: I usually use crossover office, does that count. |
| 13:08.03 | abrotman | foobaru: you could also volunteer to help the maintainer |
| 13:08.05 | casts | foobaru: i find it depressing how small the repos of some other distros are |
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| 13:08.19 | abrotman | dpkg: dstats sid |
| 13:08.36 | jelly-home | abrotman: in case of wine there's no technical reason; more like "maintainer AWOL or can't be arsed" |
| 13:08.57 | abrotman | dpkg: maint wine-common |
| 13:08.57 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 31500 packages, 2181 maintainers, 102269 MB installed size, 37484 MB compressed size. |
| 13:09.07 | abrotman | bleh |
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| 13:09.15 | abrotman | dpkg: maint wine-bin |
| 13:09.17 | jelly-home | someone forward ported all the changes for wine and its build-deps to work with 1.2 |
| 13:09.20 | foobaru | casts, True. Debian has a huge selection. What aggravated me in Arch was that many, many AUR PKGBUILDS were either poorly made or abandoned |
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| 13:09.41 | casts | debian stable...~29k, thats a lot of packages :) |
| 13:09.43 | abrotman | dpkg: maint wine |
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| 13:09.46 | scottuss | just got libcairo2 update for Wheezy now fonts look crap again |
| 13:09.47 | abrotman | tries .. again |
| 13:09.49 | jelly-home | foobaru: congrats, you found your first Debian package that looks abandoned |
| 13:09.59 | jelly-home | judd: maint wine |
| 13:10.02 | judd | Package wine version 1.0.1-3.1 was uploaded by gregor herrmann on 2010-11-17, last changed by Michael Gilbert and maintained by Debian Wine Party. (non-maintainer upload) |
| 13:10.04 | abrotman | foobaru: you can always volunteer to help .. many packages are looking for assistance |
| 13:10.13 | jelly-home | judd: maint wine-unstable |
| 13:10.15 | judd | Package wine-unstable version 1.1.32-1 was uploaded by Ove Kaaven on 2009-11-02, last changed by Ove Kaaven and maintained by Debian Wine Party. |
| 13:10.17 | scottuss | I tried to force hadret's version but X wouldn't even start. Arghh. Any ideas? |
| 13:10.38 | foobaru | abrotman, I would if I believed I knew enough to even contribute significantly. |
| 13:10.40 | abrotman | wtf is wrong with dpkg .. he said none of those packages exist ... |
| 13:10.49 | sodhi | Hm, I seem to be having some issues with my package system. Using apt-get update yields me nothing but "Reading package lists... Done" instantanously. Mind if I bother you for some troubleshooting? |
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| 13:11.04 | jelly-home | abrotman: Ove hasn't made an upload in more than two years, and commented on the relevant bugs in at least 6 months |
| 13:11.09 | foobaru | abrotman, My knowledge of anything but Arch pkgbuilds are quite limited. I havent so much as looked in a .deb |
| 13:11.16 | abrotman | foobaru: contributing can come from many places .. docs, testing, etc |
| 13:11.23 | scottuss | sodhi, everything in /etc/apt/sources.list looks ok? |
| 13:11.26 | abrotman | jelly-home: oh, cute |
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| 13:11.58 | sodhi | scottuss: the weird thing is, I had no such file until I just created one.. all I had was /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list |
| 13:12.00 | jelly-home | Debian Wine Party has been taken over by AA! |
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| 13:12.19 | scottuss | sodhi, OK, so is there anything in it? |
| 13:12.42 | jelly-home | foobaru: which 3rd party have you gotten 1.3 packages from? |
| 13:12.43 | sodhi | Yep, however I just created sources.list in /etc/apt/ and it seems to be working again |
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| 13:13.33 | scottuss | sodhi, good :) |
| 13:13.42 | sodhi | scottuss: Can you suggest a sources.list for me? |
| 13:13.49 | sodhi | (that is, some good repos?) |
| 13:14.02 | abrotman | sodhi: which version of Debian ?> |
| 13:14.18 | scottuss | sodhi, yes it depends what you want to run |
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| 13:14.20 | sodhi | Debian 4.0 etch, do you need a kernel version too ? |
| 13:14.28 | foobaru | jelly-home, one sec, i'll find the site |
| 13:14.28 | jelly-home | !etch sources.list |
| 13:14.29 | dpkg | hmm... etch sources.list is "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib non-free". But realise that Etch has not had security support since February 2010 and that you should upgrade to a newer release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>. |
| 13:14.32 | abrotman | why etch?! |
| 13:14.34 | scottuss | sodhi, why etch? |
| 13:14.38 | scottuss | abrotman, lol :) |
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| 13:14.43 | sodhi | hah |
| 13:14.46 | abrotman | not relaly funny |
| 13:14.49 | sodhi | It's just what came with the server. |
| 13:14.52 | sodhi | Should I upgrade? |
| 13:14.55 | abrotman | etch is unsupported and has serious known security issues |
| 13:14.58 | sodhi | :o |
| 13:15.02 | foobaru | jelly-home, dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ |
| 13:15.13 | scottuss | abrotman, I was laughing that we both asked the same question at the same time ;) |
| 13:15.29 | scottuss | sodhi, and yes, abrotman is right, it's not a good idea to run etch |
| 13:15.32 | nHarzilei | camelot:~$ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:15.33 | nHarzilei | 2.2 |
| 13:15.36 | sodhi | let me check what alternatives I hav |
| 13:15.36 | sodhi | ee |
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| 13:15.50 | jelly-home | sodhi: if it's an internet-facing machine, you should seriously consider upgrading the distro release, yes |
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| 13:16.35 | alexidoia | hi I have just done a dist-upgrade and it is a total mess |
| 13:16.54 | abrotman | alexidoia: did you read the release notes before you did that? |
| 13:16.57 | alexidoia | all my package are official and for exemple, mysql does not want to start |
| 13:16.59 | nHarzilei | (internet facing services are kept upgraded by hand. interactive work on it feels seriously outdated though %-) |
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| 13:17.08 | alexidoia | no |
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| 13:17.39 | jelly-home | !pal alexidoia |
| 13:17.39 | dpkg | points at alexidoia and laughs hysterically |
| 13:17.49 | sodhi | scottuss: the reason it runs etch is due it having PLESK (I know, plesk, wtf.) and some of the users of the server need some easy accessibility |
| 13:18.07 | sodhi | I have a list of OS choices, Debian 4.0 etch is the only of those which comes with plesk |
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| 13:18.28 | abrotman | so throw plesk away .. find sometihng else |
| 13:18.38 | scottuss | sodhi, I know it's not helpful but you really should look at sorting that issue out |
| 13:18.39 | jelly-home | sodhi: plesk pretty much takes over the OS. You can't really upgrade it afterwards without risking serious breakage. |
| 13:18.53 | alexidoia | abrotman: what about the release notes ? |
| 13:19.05 | sodhi | I know, jelly. :) I figured they might've had another distro with plesk |
| 13:19.10 | sodhi | abrotman: Suggestions? :) |
| 13:19.17 | abrotman | ssh+vi ? |
| 13:19.21 | sodhi | haha |
| 13:19.27 | sodhi | Alright, someone else then? :) |
| 13:19.36 | Augusto1982 | alexiodoia: Had you modified any mysql config file previously to updating the distro? Describe some of your problems |
| 13:19.43 | babilen | alexidoia: In regard to MySQL i suspect "skip-bdb" |
| 13:19.45 | abrotman | sodhi: what do you use plesk for ? |
| 13:20.04 | alexidoia | babilen, what is it ? |
| 13:20.06 | sodhi | abrotman: I am hosting some friends, they need to be able to access their hosting "facility" easily |
| 13:20.17 | sodhi | They have no clue what ssh is. |
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| 13:20.46 | scottuss | right, off to break my system with ubuntu packages |
| 13:21.31 | abrotman | sodhi: the only 'panel' i know of in Debian is dtc .. not sure if it would work for you |
| 13:21.40 | babilen | alexidoia: An option in your my.cf |
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| 13:22.15 | babilen | alexidoia: But there is very little we can do if you don't provide more detailed descriptions of your problems. Preferrably on a pastebin. |
| 13:22.27 | sodhi | abrotman: http://www.gplhost.com/software-dtc.html ? |
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| 13:23.14 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:23.31 | abrotman | sodhi: i don't use them myself .. i just know thta one is in Debian |
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| 13:23.56 | sodhi | abrotman: I do have the choice of going CentOS 5.4 w/ Plesk - would you suggest that over keeping debian 4.0 etch? |
| 13:23.58 | alexidoia | babilen: if I want to start mysql I have this in the syslog http://pastebin.com/L0AvVKTk |
| 13:24.16 | sodhi | abrotman: I understand, I probably wouldn't care if it wasn't for the people I'm hosting. |
| 13:24.39 | abrotman | sodhi: well, you can try it out |
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| 13:25.00 | abrotman | sodhi: but honestly .. if i were your 'guest', i'd be more upset that my host is insecure than having to learn a new tool |
| 13:25.11 | abrotman | and i know nothing about CentOS 5.4 |
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| 13:25.22 | sodhi | Hehe, these are small personal sites. Not business sites or the like. |
| 13:25.35 | sodhi | I guess I'll have to consult them, try to convince them otherwise. |
| 13:25.39 | abrotman | try dtc .. see how it goes |
| 13:25.46 | sodhi | Until just now I had no clue debian 4.0 etch had issues |
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| 13:26.09 | abrotman | sodhi: it's llike four years old .. been without security support for two? |
| 13:26.21 | sodhi | abrotman: hehe, makes sense |
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| 13:26.38 | babilen | alexidoia: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/news-5-1-12.html |
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| 13:27.20 | alexidoia | babilen: what in there ? |
| 13:27.42 | abrotman | do you have an aversion to reading? |
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| 13:29.08 | alexidoia | abrotman: there is about 15 pages in there |
| 13:29.26 | abrotman | and? |
| 13:29.31 | morko | i just installed debian and am wondering how can i reboot to grub? how come commands "reboot" and "shutdown -r" dont boot there? |
| 13:29.36 | alexidoia | which dates back from 2006, my system uptodated was working yesterday, the problem is somewhere |
| 13:30.09 | abrotman | morko: are you root? |
| 13:30.24 | babilen | alexidoia: I was talking about the BDB option earlier. Having that enabled (i.e. skip-bdb is *not* set) is the typical reason for MySQL not starting if you did not accept the maintainer version of the configuration. abrotman asked you earlier if you changed the configuration ... |
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| 13:30.52 | morko | abrotman, yes. it boots but somehow bypasses grub. |
| 13:31.12 | abrotman | huh? |
| 13:31.14 | alexidoia | babilen: what do I need to do, reinstall ? |
| 13:31.14 | jetx | grub menu perhaps |
| 13:31.21 | morko | yeah the menu |
| 13:31.27 | morko | sorry |
| 13:32.10 | sodhi | abrotman: I might be mistaken, it might not be etch (!) - /etc/issue says: "Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 \n \l" |
| 13:32.19 | abrotman | that's squeeze |
| 13:32.35 | alexidoia | babilen: I have no skip-bdb in my my.cf |
| 13:32.41 | sodhi | That's odd, the OS installation menu says etch... oh well |
| 13:32.45 | sodhi | Squeeze, is that any better? |
| 13:32.55 | Rienzilla | is more up to date |
| 13:33.05 | babilen | alexidoia: First: Make sure you have skip-bdb set in your configuration. You might want to diff your configuration with the default one shipped in the package. Second: Investigate why MySQL is not starting (mysql *not* mysqladmin) -- Third: Read through the "incompatible changes" section of the mysql changelog I linked above (that was for 5.1.12 -- Debian ships 5.1.49, so all the others apply too) |
| 13:33.09 | alexidoia | when I tried a apt-get --reinstall install mysql-* I have a broken dependency although I have using the stable version |
| 13:33.33 | abrotman | alexidoia: pastebin your problems so we can see them |
| 13:33.43 | alexidoia | http://pastebin.com/L0AvVKTk |
| 13:33.48 | alexidoia | that is all I have |
| 13:33.59 | alexidoia | ah ok for dependencies ? |
| 13:34.09 | abrotman | that website is annoying |
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| 13:34.42 | sodhi | abrotman: righto then, repo suggestions for squeeze? ;) |
| 13:34.51 | morko | is there some setting in some runlevel to make grub menu hide when i reboot?? |
| 13:34.55 | abrotman | sodhi: i'm sure your repos are fine ... |
| 13:35.07 | abrotman | morko: you can set the 'timeout' to zero perhaps ? |
| 13:35.16 | alexidoia | abrotman: here are my dependecies problem http://pastebin.com/Q2RDpAft |
| 13:35.21 | sodhi | my repos are there are none... the file was empty. |
| 13:35.56 | abrotman | alexidoia: please paste the output of "apt-cache policy" in paste.debian.net |
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| 13:36.54 | alexidoia | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/sEJ2RSY0 |
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| 13:37.49 | abrotman | alexidoia: `aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade' |
| 13:38.06 | alexidoia | apt-get is good too ? |
| 13:38.18 | abrotman | i didn't say apt-get |
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| 13:38.29 | bittin_ | apt-get update apt-get upgrade |
| 13:38.38 | abrotman | that's NOT what i said |
| 13:39.02 | alexidoia | ok |
| 13:39.10 | abrotman | alexidoia: you'll probably want to change your sources to point at 'squeeze', not 'stable' at some point |
| 13:39.23 | alexidoia | I have done what you said. Everything went ok but I still can't launch mysql |
| 13:39.31 | alexidoia | ok |
| 13:39.59 | abrotman | paste your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 13:41.27 | alexidoia | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/kBXjqVVW |
| 13:41.49 | morko | abrotman, should the grub menu spawn at the default installation of latest debian stable when i reboot? |
| 13:42.06 | abrotman | yes, if i understand your question |
| 13:42.21 | abrotman | alexidoia: and when you try to start mysql now ? |
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| 13:42.45 | alexidoia | yes |
| 13:43.35 | alexidoia | when I upgraded, something went wrong in the uprade of mysql |
| 13:43.42 | morko | when i reboot it just seems to reload the kernel |
| 13:44.27 | morko | if i completely shut down and power on again then the grub menu shows |
| 13:44.37 | alexidoia | what to do ? |
| 13:45.02 | jelly-home | ,versions openssl |
| 13:45.04 | judd | Package openssl on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.8g-15+lenny11; lenny-security: 0.9.8g-15+lenny11; lenny-backports: 0.9.8o-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.9.8o-4squeeze1; squeeze-security: 0.9.8o-4squeeze1; wheezy: 0.9.8o-5; sid: 1.0.0d-1 |
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| 13:45.40 | alexidoia | I am lost |
| 13:46.54 | ompaul | morko: that sounds like expected behaviour |
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| 13:49.34 | morko | ompaul, ok. do you know if this behaviour can be changed on the /etc/init.d/reboot or in some grub config? |
| 13:50.19 | ompaul | morko: what behaviour are you referring to? |
| 13:50.49 | morko | ompaul, i want the grub menu to show up when i reboot |
| 13:50.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell morko about kexec |
| 13:52.45 | morko | CutMeOwnThroat, sounds like a nice program |
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| 13:53.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | morko, it's the reason your grub menu doesn't show... speeds up reboots that way a bit |
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| 13:55.31 | morko | CutMeOwnThroat, ok. thanks! |
| 13:56.13 | waterloo2005 | I use livecd to find my debian's /var/run has some *.pid files . Can I delete them? thx |
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| 13:58.07 | morko | CutMeOwnThroat, can this be used to boot to a kernel in different partition and do i have to mount the partition to use it? |
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| 13:58.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | morko, just disable it and you'll be dropped into grub |
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| 13:59.24 | morko | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah ok |
| 13:59.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | morko, it boots the kernel that the softlink /vmlinuz points to |
| 14:00.34 | morko | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks for the info |
| 14:00.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | yw |
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| 14:11.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | waterloo2005, they contain the pids of running servers... so from a live cd... I don't see why you shouldn't |
| 14:12.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't see why you should either, though... probably happens on boot anyway |
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| 14:20.42 | waterloo2005 | CutMeOwnThroat: thx |
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| 14:33.14 | pundit | ah, #xorg, found it |
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| 14:33.52 | Drakarr | !log |
| 14:33.53 | dpkg | Logs are what you should always check when you have a problem, they live in /var/log/ . For #debian logs, ask me about <irclog>. |
| 14:34.14 | Drakarr | !irclog |
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| 14:45.17 | superlinux | hi. when I use the propriety nvidia driver, Xorg locks up my CPU. I am now using the free "nv" driver. what should I do regarding that? it used to work properly before. |
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| 14:46.18 | kevin01123 | superlinux: Did you install the proprietary driver manually, or using the tools provided by Debian? |
| 14:47.52 | superlinux | manually |
| 14:48.56 | abrotman | then you sohuld ask #nvidia |
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| 14:50.07 | kevin01123 | superlinux: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 14:50.27 | kevin01123 | Read that. Debian has a specific way to install the proprietary driver so it plays nice with the rest of the system. |
| 14:50.36 | superlinux | ok |
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| 14:59.41 | tonytraductor | I'm about to cry. Yesterday chromium-browser puked all over the place over sync (filed a bug, yes) and became useless, so I started using iceweasel again, and, now, iceweasel refuses to play any flv (wht either gxine, mplayer, gnash, or, even adobe's plugin). |
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| 15:01.25 | rigved | tonytraductor: as a last solution, if possible, try catching the video stream in vlc. but try this only after nothing else has worked |
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| 15:02.07 | tonytraductor | well, I could download with clive and view with mplayer or gxine, but that really is a last resort. I'd like to view them in the browser. |
| 15:02.30 | tonytraductor | I have google-chrome-unstable working, but, I'd rather use a debian pkg (eg iceweasel or chromium-browser) |
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| 15:03.29 | tonytraductor | what's weird is, to my knowledge, google-chrome is using the plugins from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins, no? |
| 15:04.09 | tonytraductor | if so, the plugins work...just iceweasel is being a b---- and doesn't want to play for some reason |
| 15:04.25 | tonytraductor | I disabled flashblocker, too, but no joy |
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| 15:04.41 | tonytraductor | I was starting to like using the weasel again, until I tried to view a youtube video. |
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| 15:05.53 | tonytraductor | vlc-plugin is the only one I haven't tried...aptituding that in now |
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| 15:06.07 | jelly-home | latest flash has been reasonably stable with 32bit Firefox (proper mozilla firefox binary) for me |
| 15:06.49 | jelly-home | tonytraductor: if you're only after youtube videos, you might try a separate app like minitube |
| 15:07.03 | jelly-home | judd: versions minitube |
| 15:07.04 | judd | Package minitube on i386 -- sid: 1.3-1; wheezy: 1.3-1 |
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| 15:08.16 | tonytraductor | but, I'd like to see them when embedded in other sites, etc. |
| 15:08.33 | tonytraductor | and vimeo...and other flash stuff, sometimes, like atari.com games |
| 15:10.16 | vokoda | hi, I'm trying to install pyffmpeg, which requires ffmpeg. I've built ffmpeg and I can run the /usr/bin/ffmpeg binary without a problem. but pyffmpeg is asking for the 'ffmpeg path', ie the location of the ffmpeg libs i presume |
| 15:10.26 | vokoda | i can't find these, where is the default location? |
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| 15:11.00 | tonytraductor | nah, vlc-plugin didn't help, either |
| 15:12.01 | tonytraductor | I can't waste anymore time on this...I suppose I'm stuck with google-chrome, for now, until either the chromium-browser+sync issue is resolved, or I can get back to trying to resolve iceweasel+flash, later. |
| 15:12.04 | tonytraductor | but I have work to do |
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| 15:12.18 | tonytraductor | later |
| 15:12.50 | kevin01123 | vokoda: Did you comile ffmpeg yourself? Or did you install it through debian? |
| 15:14.18 | kevin01123 | dpkg: simple-cdd |
| 15:14.18 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD |
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| 15:16.01 | tonytraductor | ha...flashplugin-nonfree DID resolve the iceweasel issue....weird that hand-installing the plugin downloaded from adobe didn't work, but aptitudining in the nonfree plugin did. |
| 15:16.05 | tonytraductor | all good with iceweasel. |
| 15:16.06 | vokoda | kevin01123: I installed through apt-get, after that I compiled myself using the latest trunk. neither seem to produce the lib directory im after |
| 15:16.38 | kevin01123 | vokoda: Did you use ffmpeg from debian-multimedia? |
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| 15:17.29 | kevin01123 | vokoda: Are you using 2.0 or 2.1beta? |
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| 15:19.02 | vokoda | kevin01123: hmm, I just did apt-get install ffmpeg - I also installed a load of libs like: libavcodec-dev, libswscale-dev etc...as I was told I'd need these. |
| 15:19.18 | vokoda | kevin01123: the version i've just compiled and installed was 2.1beta |
| 15:19.30 | vokoda | I don't know what version the apt-get gave me |
| 15:20.18 | vokoda | wait, the version i've compiled and installed was 2.2alpha |
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| 15:20.46 | altin | hi there guys |
| 15:20.57 | altin | can someone help me with installing systraq in debian |
| 15:20.59 | kevin01123 | vokoda: Sorry, I meant pyffmpeg. You are using 2.1beta pyffmpeg? |
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| 15:21.36 | Kanisterschleife | Hi. I just installed Debian Squeeze on my Inspiron 630m. Now I want to make X work and installed Xorg and wmii. The driver in xorg.conf is set to intel. When trying to start X I the module intel is loaded successfully, but then I get "(EE) No devices detected". google was not successful so far. Can you help me? |
| 15:21.43 | altin | I dont have a clue how to start cuz the manual in systraq site is very messy http://mdcc.cx/pub/systraq/systraq-latest/doc/manual.html despite this i did a apt-get isntall systraq .. how to configure it now |
| 15:21.48 | vokoda | kevin01123: no, I'm using PyFFmpeg 2.2alpha to match the new latest ffmpeg |
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| 15:22.21 | kevin01123 | vokoda: I don't see that listed on the site. I see 2.0 and 2.1beta. |
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| 15:22.53 | vokoda | kevin01123: "Support for FFmpeg version git-35d7d6f (Mar 2011) is provided by the PyFFmpeg 2.2 alpha development version." |
| 15:23.29 | jhutchins_lt | Kanisterschleife: Use pciid to find out what chipset you actually have. pciid -nn will give you an eight digit identifier that we can check against a database if the literal name doesn't make sense. |
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| 15:23.53 | vokoda | kevin01123: but the point is I can't even find the 'ffmpeg path' the pyffmpeg setup.py requires before I can run it |
| 15:24.04 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: s/pciid/lspci in the command jhutchins_lt gave you |
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| 15:25.26 | kevin01123 | vokoda: What did you prefix it to? Is it installed to /usr/local? Do you need the binary path? |
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| 15:27.47 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: We are, in particular, looking for the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" |
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| 15:29.12 | Kanisterschleife | The output is as follows: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller [8086:2592] (rev 03) |
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| 15:30.38 | Kanisterschleife | babilen, ljutchins_lt: Is this what you meant? |
| 15:30.57 | babilen | yup |
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| 15:31.05 | vokoda | kevin01123: I don't know I just did make; make install as usual. I need the ffmpeg path that contains files like libswscale/swscale.pc (from taking a quick look in the setup.py) |
| 15:31.12 | babilen | ,xorg 8086:2592 |
| 15:31.14 | judd | Device 8086:2592 is not matched by any xorg drivers in squeeze or sid. |
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| 15:31.24 | jelly-home | Kanisterschleife: is the package xserver-xorg-video-intel installed? |
| 15:31.47 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: One second -- No idea what jhutchins_lt is up to :) |
| 15:31.54 | vokoda | kevin01123: is it possible that the git trunk is itself the 'ffmpeg path' I'm looking for? |
| 15:32.11 | vokoda | kevin01123: I've just take a look inside and it seems to contain libswscale/swscale.pc etc |
| 15:32.15 | Kanisterschleife | jelly-home: yes |
| 15:32.33 | vokoda | kevin01123: but I assumed it would put all that somewhere more permenant? isn't that the point of installation? |
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| 15:32.46 | jhutchins_lt | ,pciid 8086:2592 |
| 15:32.48 | judd | [8086:2592] is 'Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'i915' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2592 |
| 15:32.53 | jelly-home | Kanisterschleife: well. It's rather unusual that it doesn't support your card. |
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| 15:33.09 | jelly-home | ,xorg 8086:2792 |
| 15:33.11 | judd | Device 8086:2792 is not matched by any xorg drivers in squeeze or sid. |
| 15:33.24 | jhutchins_lt | i915 guys. |
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| 15:33.31 | jelly-home | judd is being broken, that's my i915GM and it works. |
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| 15:34.04 | jelly-home | Kanisterschleife: are you able to pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 15:34.14 | jelly-home | !pastebinit |
| 15:34.14 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". |
| 15:34.19 | babilen | jelly-home: Yeah â See #debian-offtopic |
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| 15:34.30 | jhutchins_lt | ,pciid 8086:2792 |
| 15:34.31 | judd | [8086:2792] is 'Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2792 |
| 15:34.52 | jhutchins_lt | judd is fine, "xorg" database broken. |
| 15:35.23 | kevin01123 | vokoda: Which version of debian are you running? |
| 15:36.00 | Ziber | On Debian 6, I've installed the xen 4.0 i386 hypervisor and moved the grub entry for it to the top, so it would automatically boot from that, and it refuses to come back up. Ideas? |
| 15:36.03 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: = judd is broken. |
| 15:36.12 | Kanisterschleife | Mh, I cannot really follow you; what do you suggest? |
| 15:36.23 | vokoda | kevin01123: Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 (squeeze) |
| 15:36.33 | Bushmills | Ziber: because update-grub overwrote your grub.conf |
| 15:36.46 | Kanisterschleife | jelly-home: no, unfortunatly not @ able to pastbin. Do you need some specific section I should look up? |
| 15:37.00 | Wyzard | Ziber: I just worked around that problem a moment ago in a different way |
| 15:37.04 | Ziber | Bushmills: it had its own grub entry for multiboot and everything |
| 15:37.25 | Kanisterschleife | According to the link I should use i915 as driver in the xorg.conf, did I get that right? |
| 15:37.26 | Ziber | Wyzard: oh? |
| 15:37.31 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: which version of xserver-xorg-video-intel do you have installed? |
| 15:37.32 | Wyzard | Ziber: dpkg-divert --local --divert /etc/grub.d/09_linux_xen --rename /etc/grub.d/20_linux_xen |
| 15:37.37 | Bushmills | well, was worth a guess |
| 15:37.49 | Kanisterschleife | babilen: how can I check? |
| 15:37.54 | Ziber | :o? |
| 15:37.56 | Wyzard | Ziber: That renames the Xen script to one that'll be processed before the non-Xen script, in a way that'll persist across package upgrades |
| 15:38.26 | Ziber | hm, alright. |
| 15:38.29 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: "dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-intel|tail -n1" would do fine |
| 15:38.39 | Kanisterschleife | When I replace intel by i915 in the xorg.conf I get the error "(EE) failed to load module 'i915' (module does not exist,0 )" |
| 15:38.41 | Wyzard | then you don't have to do anything special after running update-grub |
| 15:38.42 | Ziber | i cant even replicate this problem on a VM that I set up which is an exact replica of the server. |
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| 15:39.16 | Kanisterschleife | babilen: version 2:2.13.0-6 |
| 15:39.17 | Wyzard | Ziber: As an alternative, you can also change the DEFAULT= line of /etc/default/grub to make the Xen entry the default even though it isn't the first in the list |
| 15:39.37 | Ziber | hm, could try that. |
| 15:39.46 | vokoda | kevin01123: maybe I should have passed some flags to ffmpeg's ./configure ? |
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| 15:40.01 | Wyzard | Ziber: Anyway, what do you mean by "refuses to come back up"? The machine won't boot, or the kernel entry moves back down in the grub menu? |
| 15:40.24 | kevin01123 | vokoda: I've just compiled ffmpeg from git. The library you spoke of is sitting in /usr/local/lib. |
| 15:40.32 | jelly-home | Kanisterschleife: no, I wanted the whole log |
| 15:40.38 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: Ok, could you also paste the complete output of /usr/share/bug/xserver-xorg-video-intel/script ? Easiest way is probably "/usr/share/bug/xserver-xorg-video-radeon | pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" with pastebinit installed |
| 15:40.39 | Ziber | well, doesnt boot. i cant tell you much more than that because this is a home machine and im ~200 miles away. which is why ive been asking my parents to reboot it for me. |
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| 15:41.02 | Wyzard | Ziber: ah... maybe a syntax error in the file when you hand-edited it, then |
| 15:41.10 | Ziber | didnt hand edit it |
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| 15:41.14 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: Argh, missed the "/script" in the last command -- add it please :) |
| 15:41.19 | Ziber | i copied the grub entry that was generated |
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| 15:41.43 | jelly-home | babilen: also s/radeon/intel/ |
| 15:41.44 | Wyzard | If you opened it in a text editor and made changes, that's hand-editing |
| 15:41.44 | jelly-home | g |
| 15:41.51 | babilen | jelly-home: gah |
| 15:41.58 | Wyzard | You could've pasted something into the wrong place or whatever |
| 15:42.03 | jhutchins_lt | Ziber: It would be necessary to have more information than "it doesn't boot - like what it DOES do instead. |
| 15:42.05 | kevin01123 | vokoda: If I had to guess, I'd say it installed itself to /usr/lib with no libdir suffix. Because of this, Debian had no idea the library was installed. The reason is because Debian uses ldconfig to update library info on the system. All files in /usr/local/lib are loaded, but if no suffix is chosen and the libraries are installed to /usr/lib, it doesn't work. |
| 15:42.24 | Ziber | jhutchins_lt: Like I just said, I cant give you much more than that, since I'm here and its at home. |
| 15:42.32 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: Please run "/usr/share/bug/xserver-xorg-video-intel/script | pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" and give us the URL -- Sorry for the confusion |
| 15:43.08 | Kanisterschleife | babilen, jelly-home: I have to cut my connection for a moment; I will try to install pastebinit and pastebin the required data. Hopefuly I'll b back in 5 minutes |
| 15:43.17 | jhutchins_lt | Ziber: You're going to need to find out what it's displaying rather than just having them reboot it. We know it doesn't boot, so re-booting is unlikely to do any good until we do. |
| 15:43.20 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: Ok :) |
| 15:43.29 | kevin01123 | vokoda: My advice would to be to add your user to the staff group. That would give you (and only give you) write permission on top of the read/execute to /usr/local. That way, you can't accidently right to somewhere on your HDD that's not under /usr/local. And finally, use stow. It makes your life way easier. |
| 15:43.30 | Wyzard | Ziber: That's understandable, but unfortunately, "it doesn't boot" isn't enough information for anyone to help you troubleshoot |
| 15:43.42 | Ziber | jhutchins_lt: rebooting with a grub entry that i know works will work. |
| 15:43.44 | vokoda | kevin01123: I don't have any .pc files in /usr/local/lib ? just some .a files.. I know nothing about c libs though - are .pc and .a the same? |
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| 15:44.30 | Wyzard | vokoda: .pc files aren't libraries, they're config files used by pkg-config to generate command-line options for a compiler to make it link with a library |
| 15:44.38 | theluli | hello |
| 15:44.43 | Wyzard | vokoda: .a files are static libraries |
| 15:44.43 | theluli | is anyone there |
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| 15:45.13 | theluli | exit |
| 15:45.14 | theluli | exit |
| 15:45.16 | theluli | quit |
| 15:45.21 | Wyzard | theleft: It's /quit |
| 15:45.21 | theluli | q |
| 15:45.30 | superlinux | ::) |
| 15:47.47 | Ziber | Any errors in this entry? http://paste.ziber.org/57251 |
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| 15:48.17 | vokoda | kevin01123: ok, understood, thanks for the advice. I'll look into stow |
| 15:48.22 | vokoda | Wyzard: thanks |
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| 15:50.13 | Wyzard | Ziber: It looks OK to me |
| 15:50.18 | Wyzard | Ziber: Did you get the machine booted? |
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| 15:50.40 | Ziber | Well, its booted to the xen kernel, not the hypervisor one though. I want to know if its safe to restart. |
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| 15:51.02 | Wyzard | Ziber: Run update-grub and don't modify the file at all afterward |
| 15:51.17 | Kanisterschleife | re |
| 15:51.24 | Wyzard | Ziber: update-grub sometimes gets run after package updates anyway, so you don't want to rely on having to manually "fix" it anyway |
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| 15:51.53 | abrotman | looks at manana |
| 15:51.56 | Ziber | Wyzard: where do i tell it to use the entry i want then? |
| 15:52.00 | Kanisterschleife | babilen, jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/112858 here is the logfile |
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| 15:52.15 | Wyzard | Ziber: I gave you a command a few minutes ago that will resolve it |
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| 15:52.34 | Kanisterschleife | babilen: I tried to execute the script, but I get: "/usr/share/.../script: 19: 3: Bad file descriptor" |
| 15:52.44 | Wyzard | Ziber: If you look in /etc/grub.d/ there are a bunch of scripts that are processed in order by their numbers, and they generate entries in the grub menu |
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| 15:53.11 | Wyzard | Ziber: The one called 20_linux_xen runs after the one called 10_linux, and that's why the Xen grub entries appear after the non-Xen ones |
| 15:53.11 | Ziber | Wyzard: I ran that, and now ran 'update-grub' and there are no entries that make mention of the hypervisor. |
| 15:53.12 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: Can you run "sh /usr/share/bug/xserver-xorg-video-intel/script" ? |
| 15:53.38 | Wyzard | Ziber: If you rename 20_linux_xen to something like 09_linux_xen, it'll run first so the Xen grub entries appear first in the list |
| 15:53.46 | Ziber | OH, wait, I got it. |
| 15:53.48 | Kanisterschleife | babilen: this yields the same error |
| 15:53.56 | Ziber | Cool, thanks. And now, lets see if this works. |
| 15:54.06 | Wyzard | Ziber: and doing the rename via dpkg-divert makes dpkg aware of the rename, so it'll do the right thing if those files get updated in the future |
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| 15:54.17 | niemad | hi all |
| 15:54.26 | Ziber | Wyzard: awesome. so shutdown -r now then? |
| 15:54.32 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: Hmm, one second. (I don't have that script, but it works fine for -radeon/script -- I just assumed it would work for -intel.) |
| 15:54.52 | Wyzard | Ziber: After checking that your grub.cfg contains the entries you expect, yes |
| 15:54.57 | Kanisterschleife | babilen: Just to make sure I didn't make a too stupid mistake; the .xinitrc just contains "xrdb ~/.Xresources" and "wmii"; hope this is fine. wmii is version 3, installed via apt-get install wmii |
| 15:54.58 | Ziber | yes, it does. |
| 15:55.02 | Wyzard | Ziber: I just did it a few minutes ago and it worked fine for me |
| 15:55.03 | Ziber | crosses his fingers |
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| 15:55.20 | Ziber | and lets see here. |
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| 15:55.42 | niemad | I m new on debian, i want to share some files with people on internet, which software should I use ? apache ? ftp ? |
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| 15:56.26 | Ziber | ssh still timing out... |
| 15:56.47 | Wyzard | niemad: I use Apache on my router as a place to put files that I want to let others download |
| 15:57.39 | niemad | I'm on eeepc900, maybe there is lighter solution that running apache ? |
| 15:57.40 | Wyzard | niemad: and if you use a service like dyndns.org, you can use the ez-ipupdate package to keep the listing up-to-date so you have a DNS name that always refers to your home IP |
| 15:57.45 | Ziber | this isnt going to boot. |
| 15:58.20 | Wyzard | niemad: You probably don't want to run any sort of server on a small portable computer like that... maybe just upload the file somewhere else? |
| 15:58.24 | niemad | maybe i don't need dns, got an ip :/ |
| 15:59.15 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: You want "until wmii;\ndo true\ndone" in there -- telephone bbl |
| 15:59.23 | Wyzard | Ziber: You need to get some feedback about what's on the monitor of that machine when it's failing to boot |
| 15:59.47 | Ziber | Wyzard: yeah, working on that. |
| 15:59.58 | niemad | I can't just share a folder with ftp ? |
| 16:00.31 | Wyzard | niemad: FTP is a protocol for logging into a server to transfer files |
| 16:00.43 | Wyzard | niemad: You could run an FTP server, sure, but that wouldn't be any better than running a web server |
| 16:00.59 | Wyzard | Ziber: You're running Xen 4.0, right? Not 3.2 on a machine upgraded from lenny? |
| 16:01.07 | Kanisterschleife | babilen: ok |
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| 16:01.17 | Ziber | Its 4.0 |
| 16:01.28 | Wyzard | (I've noticed that squeeze's -xen kernel fails to boot on Xen 3.2) |
| 16:01.36 | niemad | 'k Wyzard thank you, i'll think about it :) |
| 16:01.48 | Ziber | the kernel boots fine though, its the hypervisor thats having the issue. |
| 16:02.03 | niemad | maybe i put a serve dedicated for that |
| 16:02.10 | niemad | with dns |
| 16:02.15 | Wyzard | Ziber: or the kernel when booted under the hypervisor -- you can't tell the difference from where you are |
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| 16:02.46 | Ziber | ... uname -a confirms the kernel boots though. |
| 16:03.22 | Wyzard | Ziber: You're talking about booting the kernel without the hypervisor |
| 16:03.37 | Ziber | yes... |
| 16:03.59 | Wyzard | Ziber: but when you run Xen, you're still booting that same kernel, just with the hypervisor loaded first |
| 16:04.21 | Ziber | right yeah... i see what you mean. |
| 16:04.25 | Wyzard | Actually, that's an important question: did you install the -xen kernel? |
| 16:04.32 | Wyzard | What does "uname -r" say? |
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| 16:04.49 | Ziber | 2.6.32-5-xen-686 iirc |
| 16:04.54 | Ziber | (remember the server's currently down) |
| 16:04.56 | Wyzard | ...oh, nevermind, it's in what you pasted earlier |
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| 16:05.22 | Ziber | hey, i got it right from memory |
| 16:05.27 | Wyzard | yeah, just thought I'd ask because I don't know if update-grub is clever enough to know that it shouldn't generate Xen menu entries for non-Xen kernels |
| 16:06.07 | Ziber | ah, right. what kinda bothers me... is that the kernel and everything is in /boot... not / |
| 16:06.25 | Ziber | is that something with LVM-based machines, that translates / to /boot or something? |
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| 16:06.37 | Ziber | because all the entries were like that, even the working one. |
| 16:06.56 | Kanisterschleife | babilen: according to http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2592 i915 should be the right driver, but when I replace intel by i915 I get the error that the module i915 cannot be loaded. Do I need package different from xserver-xorg-video-intel? |
| 16:07.03 | Wyzard | On machines that have a separate /boot partition, the bootloader mounts the boot partition, so from the bootloader's viewpoint the files are in / |
| 16:07.12 | Wyzard | even though the OS calls that filesystem /boot |
| 16:07.23 | Ziber | alright, that makes sense then. |
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| 16:07.51 | Wyzard | If you're concerned about things in /boot referring to /boot when it should be just / at boot time, you can do "ln -s . /boot/boot" |
| 16:08.22 | Ziber | yeah, but as long as thats normal, expected behavior, its fine. |
| 16:08.23 | Wyzard | so that the directory has a symlink to itself named /boot, so you can use /boot paths from the bootloader |
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| 16:12.00 | jelly-home | Kanisterschleife: "intel" is the xorg driver name. "i915" is the kernel driver name. |
| 16:12.07 | Kanisterschleife | jelly-home: ah, ok |
| 16:12.28 | Kanisterschleife | jelly-home, babilen: will be afk for 45 minutes i think (eating) Hopefully we can continue discussing then. thank you evry much! |
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| 16:17.21 | Ziber | Wyzard: ... something blocked for 120 seconds |
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| 16:18.12 | Wyzard | Ziber: and then it booted with the hypervisor? |
| 16:19.47 | Ziber | "info task start par : 247 blocked for 120 secs", "/proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs disable this message" |
| 16:19.55 | Wyzard | oh |
| 16:20.01 | Wyzard | dunno |
| 16:20.07 | Ziber | :/ |
| 16:20.59 | Wyzard | Ziber: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=516374 |
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| 16:22.13 | Wyzard | That's somewhat old though; might not be the same root cause |
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| 16:24.47 | Ziber | hm. |
| 16:24.52 | Ziber | and the machine is up now. |
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| 16:26.30 | Ziber | without the hypervisor, mind you. |
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| 16:27.40 | acu | where is the password for root kept ? - I forgot the password for an important server - and I am thinking to boot live with knoppix then go and reset the password for the root in the original debian squeeze server - can anyone help ? |
| 16:27.50 | romel | hi guys. I am using fglrx driver with dual-head configuration. My window manager is Wmaker. When I am starting X i see just pretty mouse cursor on the first display but the second one is terrible: it looks like couple of random pixels. Does anybody know how to fix it? |
| 16:28.01 | Wyzard | acu: The password hashes are in /etc/shadow |
| 16:28.19 | abrotman | !tell acu about ifrp |
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| 16:41.56 | acu | abrotman: I pressed e and added the init-/bin/sh then what - reboot ? |
| 16:42.10 | acu | and how can I go in the system if I have no password at all |
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| 16:45.57 | Kanisterschleife | babilen, jelly-home: re |
| 16:46.08 | Kanisterschleife | babilen, jelly-home: are you still there? |
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| 16:51.15 | toubsu | that dude greycat still around? |
| 16:51.56 | jetx | #bsh |
| 16:52.00 | jetx | err #bash |
| 16:52.03 | abrotman | toubsu: sometimes .. yes |
| 16:52.07 | jetx | he's in there |
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| 16:52.17 | abrotman | not today he isn't |
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| 16:52.21 | frikinz | "FAT: utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems", where can I change my automount (hal/udev) options to not have this anymore. I think it's creating some problems with one program. |
| 16:52.27 | jetx | usualy |
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| 16:55.39 | frikinz | I think I've found, in hal/fdi/policy |
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| 16:59.13 | Kilian] | Hi, where can i read the rules, which a software has to be follow, like license, shared libarys to be packaged for debian ? does the debian policy manual contain these information, or are they available in a shorter way ? |
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| 17:02.01 | rigved | Kilian]: this will get you started - http://www.willnichols.me.uk/progs/debpack/index.html <-- this is slightly old. i think that there is documentation on this on the debian wiki |
| 17:02.19 | astartoth | hi all, trying to compile linux-2.6-2.6.38 from debian src+patchset and with the ck patch. |
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| 17:02.45 | Kilian] | rigved: thanks |
| 17:03.32 | Kilian] | rigved: the last rev, is from jan 11, so it shouldnt be outdated |
| 17:03.39 | astartoth | i'm getting this error: http://www.pastie.org/1751209 |
| 17:03.43 | astartoth | any ideas? |
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| 17:04.41 | rigved | Kilian]: cool. i had not checked that page for a long time. all the best! |
| 17:04.47 | rf10 | hi, please i have problems with my wireless :( doesn't connect i think i have wrong firmware :( anyone can help? |
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| 17:05.41 | rf10 | :S |
| 17:05.56 | rf10 | please :S |
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| 17:06.36 | Bushmills | rf10: given your exhaustive error description, i think the only thing one can say is "use the correct firmware" |
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| 17:08.02 | rf10 | yap |
| 17:08.03 | rf10 | :D |
| 17:08.09 | rf10 | how? |
| 17:08.10 | rf10 | :D |
| 17:08.11 | Kanisterschleife | babilen: are you there? |
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| 17:08.51 | babilen | hides |
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| 17:10.52 | ompaul | vavilen: na you remind me of an engine oil now :) |
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| 17:11.29 | vavilen | hehe |
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| 17:12.20 | Zitter | a nice frontend for gphoto2? |
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| 17:14.12 | Black_Prince | Zitter have a look at gtkam and gthumb |
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| 17:16.23 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: And yes, I am here. But so are a bunch of others -- What happens if you try to run that bug script? I can't quite put my finger on the problem though. |
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| 17:18.09 | Kanisterschleife | babilen: I just get "script: 19: 3: Bad file descriptor" |
| 17:18.33 | Kanisterschleife | Did you look at the logfile I pastbined? Can you see something irregular |
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| 17:18.51 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: Yes, the "No device found" bit ;) |
| 17:19.31 | Kanisterschleife | babilen: :-) |
| 17:19.50 | babilen | One second -- I'll try to see what's wrong with that script |
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| 17:20.16 | Kanisterschleife | babilen: ok, thank you |
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| 17:21.00 | Kanisterschleife | babilen: If I remember correctly, I really just instaled squeeze via network, without desktop environment, and then only installed xorg and wmii |
| 17:21.20 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: What about "sh /usr/share/bug/xserver-xorg/script" ? |
| 17:21.46 | Kanisterschleife | babilen: the same error |
| 17:21.57 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: s/sh/bash ? |
| 17:22.08 | babilen | and s/sh/dash ? |
| 17:22.15 | Kanisterschleife | looks much better |
| 17:22.30 | Kanisterschleife | babilen: bash is fine. shall I pastebin the output? |
| 17:22.55 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: yes please |
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| 17:23.13 | Kanisterschleife | ok, I have to switch cables again :) brb in 5 minutes |
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| 17:27.21 | qwebirc301149 | re |
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| 17:28.03 | Kanisterschleife | babilen: re |
| 17:28.13 | Kanisterschleife | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/112865 |
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| 17:28.53 | babilen | thanks |
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| 17:29.11 | Zitter | in which pkg is udevinfo program? |
| 17:29.53 | Zitter | anyway, why is it not possible to search a program in pkg? apt-cache search udevinfo returns 0 rows |
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| 17:30.09 | jelly-home | Kanisterschleife: fwiw, I don't see anything obvious, and suggest filing a bug on the xserver-xorg-video-intel or xserver-xorg-core package |
| 17:30.19 | cahoot | !apt-file |
| 17:30.19 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
| 17:30.39 | Kanisterschleife | jelly-home: what is "fwiw"? |
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| 17:31.30 | jelly-home | for what it's worth |
| 17:31.42 | Zitter | cahoot, thanks |
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| 17:34.22 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: Yeah, I don't see anything either ... File a bug. And I would recommend to compile wmii yourself and not use the Debian packages. Or at least backport the version from sid -- /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:34.55 | Zitter | any, for udevinfo it returns libhd-doc that, of course, hasn't udevinfo program. So, I can image that it is removed or substitued with something else? |
| 17:35.00 | Kanisterschleife | babilen, jelly-home how can I file a bug? |
| 17:35.03 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: wmii is also, unfortunately, only maintained by kris (suckless seems to care more about dwm) and is in need of love |
| 17:35.46 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: "reportbug xserver-xorg-video-intel" -- I would recommend to start the short description with "[915]" |
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| 17:36.11 | timo | Zitter: is udevadm what you're looking for? |
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| 17:36.20 | Kanisterschleife | babilen: ok I will try. |
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| 17:36.26 | Kanisterschleife | babilen, jelly-home: thank you very much for your help and patience! |
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| 17:37.22 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: Yeah, sorry. You could ask in #debian-x on irc.debian.org -- Maybe they see something. |
| 17:37.22 | Zitter | timo, I have no udevadm pkg :/ |
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| 17:37.46 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: Give them the link you pasted above (the script output) too |
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| 17:38.13 | timo | Zitter: that's the name of the binary, in the 'udev' package |
| 17:38.14 | Zitter | my sources.list http://paste.debian.net/112867/ |
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| 17:38.22 | cahoot | Zitter: not even as root? |
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| 17:38.42 | timo | Zitter: apparently, it has replaced udevinfo |
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| 17:38.56 | Zitter | ah! now it is clear |
| 17:38.58 | Kanisterschleife | babilen: ok I will try debian-x |
| 17:39.00 | Zitter | thanks |
| 17:39.15 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: But before we do that -- Could you try to start the x server manually (i.e. not with startx) -- Try something like "X :42 & sleep 5 ; DISPLAY=:42 xterm" |
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| 17:39.58 | Kanisterschleife | babilen: this yields the same output |
| 17:40.03 | babilen | ok |
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| 17:40.29 | Kanisterschleife | but maybe it ensures that its really an X problem and not smoe misconfiguration of startx or so |
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| 17:42.09 | Kanisterschleife | babilen: Ok so you mean running reportbug would be the right thing? |
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| 17:42.49 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: You could ping the developers in debian-x -- They might spot something. But filing a bug seems to be justified |
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| 17:43.20 | Kanisterschleife | babilen: what is debian-x? |
| 17:43.54 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: It is a channel on OFTC (irc.oftc.net / irc.debian.org) |
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| 17:50.38 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: I just saw that you use SELinux -- That might very well be related to your problem. Could you try to reproduce the error without it? |
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| 17:52.26 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: Or don't you actually use it and the server just loads it and does not make it to the point where it is recognised as being disabled? |
| 17:53.04 | Kanisterschleife | babilen: Mh, actually I dont know what SELinux is |
| 17:53.39 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: That's one of those channels with a few dozen people in it that gets like three posts a week from people with questions, and no replies, isn't it? |
| 17:53.49 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: forget it then -- I was just seeing the " Loading extension SELinux" and was missing the corresponding "SELinux: Disabled on system" |
| 17:53.50 | Kanisterschleife | at leat I didn't "install" it intentionally; afaik I just instaled xorg and wmii [and pastebinit :) ] |
| 17:54.12 | Kanisterschleife | babilen: Ok, but if it might cause the problem, how can iI disable it? |
| 17:54.22 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: If KiBi or jcristau are in the mood they are incredibly helpful -- But it is not a high-volume channel, yes. |
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| 17:54.32 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: Forget about SELinux |
| 17:54.42 | Kanisterschleife | ok, I forgot about it |
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| 17:54.54 | Kanisterschleife | but what is SELinux? ;) |
| 17:54.58 | babilen | !selinux |
| 17:54.58 | dpkg | Security Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is NSA's port of the FLASK Security Architecture to Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. Unofficial FAQ: http://www.crypt.gen.nz/selinux/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux http://selinuxproject.org/ #selinux on irc.freenode.net. See also <apparmor>, <tomoyo>. |
| 17:55.00 | Kanisterschleife | sorry, bad joke. :) |
| 17:55.05 | jhutchins_lt | Kanisterschleife: I've missed some of this - this is an i915 problem, right? |
| 17:55.11 | jhutchins_lt | Kanisterschleife: Have you tried lenny? |
| 17:55.21 | Black_Prince | What's wrong with i915 ? |
| 17:55.33 | Kanisterschleife | jhutchins_lt:: Yes, i915, you can see the report at http://paste.debian.net/112865 |
| 17:55.33 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: See http://paste.debian.net/112865 |
| 17:55.45 | jhutchins_lt | Black_Prince: LOTS in squeeze. We _thought_ they had the bugs out, but I'm not at all surprized. |
| 17:56.06 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: yay, the whole world is trying to help you now. :) |
| 17:56.07 | jhutchins_lt | Black_Prince: Not really the fault of squeeze, it's the unified intel driver from xorg, and the kms gimmick. |
| 17:56.18 | Kanisterschleife | jhutchins_lt: I have another system using debian lenny where I let the installer take care about X for me, and there everythings fine |
| 17:56.24 | Black_Prince | Doh, I have Intel Video Controler ... And I never got bigger resolution than 1024x768 |
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| 17:57.01 | jhutchins_lt | Kanisterschleife: Exactly. The old no-kernel-mode xorg drivers worked very well, with the exception of some very new chips. |
| 17:57.37 | jhutchins_lt | Black_Prince: Haven't seen resolution problems, generally they tend to be black screens or total lockups. |
| 17:58.21 | jhutchins_lt | I do have an on-board Intel chipset that needed a BIOS upgrade to do full resolution, and still has artifacts. |
| 17:58.52 | Black_Prince | jhutchins_lt, not here ... I have an 865G Video Controler ... I had problems with plymouth, vlc and resolution but not with black screens or freezings |
| 17:58.58 | jhutchins_lt | Kanisterschleife: Would it be practical at this point to try a lenny install? |
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| 17:59.46 | Enverex | Which log file does NFS log to? I've checked syslog, messages, dmesg, etc. None of them list messages of what the daemon is doing other than the initial "registering" message when the service is started |
| 17:59.59 | Kanisterschleife | jhutchins_lt: I could switch back to lenny, yes. But this doesn't really fix the problem, or do you think the behaviour of Lenny might hlep to understand whats going wrong with squeeze? |
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| 18:00.33 | jhutchins_lt | Kanisterschleife: I think lenny would give yo a working system while you try to work out the problem or wait for a bugfix update. |
| 18:00.57 | Black_Prince | Kanisterschleife have you tried starting X without xorg.conf ? |
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| 18:01.03 | jhutchins_lt | Kanisterschleife: You could keep a squeeze partition to test it. |
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| 18:02.19 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: We can help you with fbdev here :) |
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| 18:03.33 | Kanisterschleife | babilen: great, thank you. Just tried it, without success; I get the error "(EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory" |
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| 18:04.06 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: I just thought that KiBi might spot something we missed. Apparently that is not the case, so ... |
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| 18:05.27 | Black_Prince | Cough |
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| 18:05.45 | Black_Prince | If /dev/fb0 isn't there, then something is wrong with the kernel driver, not with the xorg driver |
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| 18:06.56 | DRiKE | What is the right way to auth a nullmailer remote? 'mail.bla.com smtp --port=587 --user=myname --pass=mypass' doesn't seem to work.. |
| 18:07.17 | Kanisterschleife | Black_Prince: Mh, and what is it? |
| 18:07.57 | Black_Prince | Kanisterschleife, Hard to tell - But you can pastebin your /var/log/kern.log |
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| 18:09.18 | Kanisterschleife | Black_Prince, babilen, jhutchins_lt: Ok I will be afk for some minutes, pasting the kern.log and trying to file the xorg bug. |
| 18:09.42 | babilen | Kanisterschleife: It would be a good idea to investigate a bit further |
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| 18:13.08 | Enverex | IS anyone currently having issues with NFS in Sid? I have "/share" exported with an allowed IP range of 10.0.0.0/16 yet when I try and mount it from another machine (10.0.0.50) I get access denied. I cannot find out where NFS is logging on the server. |
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| 18:14.59 | Ifur | Hello, I'm not able to figure out how to get the debian installer work with kickseed, do I need a custom initrd? |
| 18:15.21 | ompaul | Enverex: can you pastebin the the full attempt please |
| 18:15.23 | babilen | kickseed? |
| 18:15.37 | eikenberry | Every once in a while I hit 'F' in aptitude before I mean to. Not a big deal but I like reviewing the new packages for anything interesting. Is there any other resource for finding a list of say the packages most recently added to testing or unstable? |
| 18:15.38 | Ifur | babilen: yeah, not the same as preseed |
| 18:15.54 | abrotman | like RH kickstart? |
| 18:15.57 | babilen | Ifur: Ah, wasn't aware of kickseed |
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| 18:16.32 | ompaul | Warning: This package is intended for the use in building debian-installer images only. Do not install it on a normal Debian system. |
| 18:17.02 | Ifur | abrotman: yes, currently have a kickseed setup with gPXE working on ubuntu, but I want to migrate the node-configuration scripts and deployment to debian instead of ubuntu, dunno why the previous sysadmins went with ubuntu really. |
| 18:17.34 | Enverex | ompaul, https://xnode.org/paste/57 |
| 18:18.04 | caimlas | anyone here familiar with initramfs? |
| 18:18.08 | Ifur | ompaul: yeah, found that, but I'm not a debian novice, and looking into the udeb package, I figured I'd need to make an initrd -- not easy getting an environment where I can do this, very little documentation to find... |
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| 18:19.11 | caimlas | I'm trying to figure out how to modify the /etc/initramfs-tools script(s) so that mdadm does not detect arrays until after devices have settled; currently, it's running almost immediately, and the scsi devices have not fully detected/settled. this leads to the root md not being present when init tried to mount / |
| 18:19.39 | caimlas | I need to figureo ut how to a) delay mdadm from running initially, and wait for devices, or b) figureo ut how to define a prerequisite. |
| 18:19.42 | caimlas | this is on debian 6. |
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| 18:19.58 | Kanisterschleife | re |
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| 18:20.19 | ompaul | Ifur: I kinda gathered that and hoped anyone else who saw it wouldn't try it and create a bigger mess :) |
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| 18:21.42 | Ifur | ompaul: hehe, yeah... Looking into the manual for building custom debian-installer images atm. |
| 18:21.48 | niemad | i try to install xfce4 on squeeze but i've got this |
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| 18:21.53 | niemad | Les paquets suivants ont des dépendances non satisfaites : |
| 18:21.53 | niemad | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.53 | niemad | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.56 | Ifur | seems a bit much work concidering i only need the initrd :/ |
| 18:22.20 | niemad | should I suppress libfam0 as suggested ? |
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| 18:22.43 | ompaul | Ifur: if you are really stuck in a few hours if you find Kamping_Kaiser here you might ping him - he may know of places with docs out of tree |
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| 18:22.52 | Nameless | hi there |
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| 18:23.42 | ompaul | Enverex: I looked at that - yeah, you are going to have to find logs in /var/log/messages or syslog check date stamping and then try again see where entries got captured on server |
| 18:23.59 | Ifur | ompaul: thanks for the tip! |
| 18:24.14 | Enverex | ompaul, That's the weird thing, I checked messages, syslog, dmesg, etc, none of them have nfs entries in them. Any idea where it should be logging to? |
| 18:24.28 | ompaul | Ifur: if it works then you can thank me - tell him I said hello ;-) |
| 18:25.10 | Nameless | anyone with a mac here? |
| 18:26.06 | Ifur | ompaul: If this works, I need to molest a kernel as well, applying a patch that pre-allocates 4GB memory early in the boot process hiding it from the OS, and a device drivers that exposes the PCI bus -- crippled FPGA's are fun.... |
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| 18:26.34 | Ifur | don't tell any kernel developers, they'd shoot me on sight. |
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| 18:27.53 | ompaul | Ifur: words fail me |
| 18:28.05 | ompaul | ahh good luck with that |
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| 18:30.12 | ompaul | Enverex: what does showmount -e on the server say? |
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| 18:31.41 | niemad | does xfce requires gamin ? |
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| 18:32.32 | ompaul | no |
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| 18:32.51 | prince_jammys | #c |
| 18:33.03 | ompaul | never |
| 18:33.04 | Enverex | ompaul, I can't actually get nfs to start again now "Starting NFS common utilities: statd failed!". Log shows " sm-notify[24567]: Already notifying clients; Exiting!" |
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| 18:40.12 | ompaul | Enverex: try this as a temp export /share 10.0.0.50/255.255.255.255(ro,sync) |
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| 18:40.54 | gschwepp | Hi, what is +- the minimal installation of an debian? |
| 18:40.56 | cristi8 | hi, is there any web browser in squeeze that has WebGL support? |
| 18:40.59 | ompaul | Enverex: other than that there are bugs that looks at that |
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| 18:41.25 | Enverex | ompaul, 1 sec, this looks like a portmap issue, there are old bug reports about the same thing, apparently rpcbind (instead of portmap should work) BUT then NFS claims no portmapper is running :/ Here was me thinking NFS worked out the box and was pretty much immune to issues, lol |
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| 18:42.31 | abrotman | gschwepp: +- of what? |
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| 18:42.59 | ompaul | gschwepp: that seems to make no sense, would you like to be more verbose about how many of the 30,000 odd packages you want to install |
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| 18:43.32 | ompaul | gschwepp: what kind of work do you want this box to do |
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| 18:43.46 | gschwepp | abrotman, ompaul just the minimal basic system first of all. |
| 18:43.58 | ompaul | gschwepp: and no extras? |
| 18:44.04 | ompaul | not a one? |
| 18:44.11 | gschwepp | later openvpn server |
| 18:44.14 | abrotman | gschwepp: what are you trying to measure? |
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| 18:44.19 | gschwepp | and ssh. |
| 18:44.27 | Linux-IRC | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 18:44.41 | abrotman | gschwepp: the CPU usage? RAM usage? HDD usage? bandwidth usage? |
| 18:44.52 | Linux-IRC | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.00 | Linux-IRC | 6.0.1a __>a |
| 18:45.08 | abrotman | Linux-IRC: there was an error in the 6.0.1 CD image .. they fixed it |
| 18:45.18 | gschwepp | abrotman: minimal hdd usage |
| 18:45.29 | abrotman | gschwepp: i think it's like 300MB or so |
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| 18:45.37 | abrotman | less than 500MB |
| 18:45.48 | Linux-IRC | abrotman: error ? what type of error? |
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| 18:46.07 | abrotman | dpkg: 6.0.1a |
| 18:46.07 | dpkg | 6.0.1a is the version number of a bugfix rebuild of installation images for the <6.0.1> point release. See http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110329a for more information. See also <jigdo>. |
| 18:46.10 | Linux-IRC | abrotman: debian-6.0.1a-i386-CD-1.iso , why is 6.0.1a ? |
| 18:46.10 | ompaul | gschwepp: I run big ovpn connections and I have log files that I don't rotate often running to multiple gigs |
| 18:46.20 | abrotman | Linux-IRC: i just freaking told you .. stop repeating |
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| 18:46.44 | Enverex | ompaul, I purged portmap, rpcbind, nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server. Reinstalled kernel server (which pulled in rpcbind rather than portmap by default this time) and now it "just works". Weird |
| 18:46.45 | Linux-IRC | abrotman: so is debian-6.0.1a-i386-CD-1.iso bug free ? |
| 18:46.56 | gschwepp | abrotman: perfect! Actually i dont wanna use the full gb for the system! |
| 18:46.56 | Linux-IRC | abrotman: so no error for debian-6.0.1a-i386-CD-1.iso , right ? |
| 18:46.57 | abrotman | 100% bug free? |
| 18:47.00 | ompaul | Enverex: go find some bugs and add info |
| 18:47.07 | abrotman | gives up trying to talk to Linux-IRC |
| 18:47.09 | Linux-IRC | abrotman: no, |
| 18:47.17 | Enverex | ompaul, All the ones I've seen were from 2009 so not likely the same issue |
| 18:47.24 | abrotman | gschwepp: it should be okay |
| 18:47.28 | robokop | /ignore Linux-IRC |
| 18:47.35 | Linux-IRC | abrotman: not 100%, but , debian-6.0.1a-i386-CD-1.iso is a fixed version, righ t? |
| 18:47.37 | abrotman | gschwepp: don't forget you'll need some space for swap most likely |
| 18:47.51 | abrotman | did someone hear something? |
| 18:47.58 | ompaul | a squeak |
| 18:48.29 | gschwepp | abrotman: yeah ... i wanna optimize it for 1 gb ... i try to learn more about linux systems. |
| 18:48.44 | abrotman | gschwepp: you'd do better with some extra space if you can get it |
| 18:48.46 | ompaul | Linux-IRC: you were told that was the case already, the answer was not hard to parase |
| 18:48.56 | abrotman | ompaul: at least i can type! |
| 18:49.03 | gschwepp | ompaul: most files will be outsourced to another devices. |
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| 18:49.54 | gschwepp | abrotman: actually there is no chance. i got a 1 gb ide flash rom :) |
| 18:49.57 | ompaul | gschwepp: as long as you add some swap as abrotman said, may I suggest that you do a fair amount of it in case you don't give it enough ram and it needs some help |
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| 18:50.29 | Linux-IRC | abrotman: after fixing the bugs from debian-6.0.1-i386-CD-1.iso we got 6.0.1a , right ? i have confusion that's why i repeated as English is not my native language |
| 18:50.36 | Linux-IRC | ompaul: ^ |
| 18:50.46 | abrotman | lalalalala |
| 18:50.49 | gschwepp | ompaul: i thought about 400 - 500 mb swap rest for system ;) |
| 18:50.57 | babilen | Linux-IRC: yes |
| 18:51.15 | Linux-IRC | what was that bug ? |
| 18:51.16 | ompaul | gschwepp: sorry, don't do swap with flash |
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| 18:51.42 | abrotman | did'nt know it was flash .. but yeah, swap on flash is not good, especially if you expect it to swap a fair amount |
| 18:52.15 | babilen | Linux-IRC: Read the link in dpkg's <6.0.1a> factoid (see above) |
| 18:52.48 | Black_Prince | Is 6.0.2 planned yet? |
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| 18:53.13 | abrotman | i'm sure they're working on it |
| 18:53.18 | Black_Prince | !6.0.2 |
| 18:53.18 | dpkg | 6 |
| 18:53.25 | dvs | Black_Prince: yes and no. It will be release but we don't know when. |
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| 18:53.58 | altin | hi there can anyone help me... I need any tutorial for seting up systraq in debian ? |
| 18:54.07 | altin | cuz the manual on systraq page is messy |
| 18:54.12 | Black_Prince | I could figure out that by myself |
| 18:54.19 | thinksteve | Make that a 'It'll be released when it's ready.', dvs. ;) |
| 18:54.28 | dvs | thinksteve: heh |
| 18:54.37 | narbeh | i have Debian 6, and installed PPTP (VPN Server), i can connect to it with Windows but can't connect with Ubuntu, what is the problem? |
| 18:54.41 | altin | I did a apt-get install systraq now I need to know how to configure it ! |
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| 18:55.26 | dvs | altin: /usr/share/doc/systraq/Debian.README is a good place to start. |
| 18:55.44 | gschwepp | ompaul, abrotman Why no swap on flash? Any literature advice? |
| 18:56.10 | ompaul | gschwepp: flash does not like being written to over and over |
| 18:56.40 | ompaul | gschwepp: it wears out - you can search for it easy enough flash write limits should get you some decent hits |
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| 18:57.07 | gschwepp | then i might need a very silent disc |
| 18:57.43 | gschwepp | thank you ompaul |
| 18:57.54 | ompaul | you don't need swap, so perhaps just log somewhere else |
| 18:58.07 | thinksteve | Well, when you've enough ram you won't need to swap. |
| 18:58.13 | abrotman | gschwepp: if you have enough RAM, you can skip swap |
| 18:58.27 | abrotman | gschwepp: that said .. if you exhaust all RAM, bad things will happen, things will be killed |
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| 18:58.38 | Nameless | with an Intel core 2 duo processor, which arch should i install? |
| 18:58.40 | gschwepp | 512 mb is not that much. maybe i buy new |
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| 18:59.05 | abrotman | -686 or -amd64 |
| 18:59.09 | babilen | Nameless: i386 or amd64 |
| 18:59.16 | abrotman | uh duh |
| 18:59.16 | thinksteve | Or you choose to use lightweight applications instead, gschwepp. |
| 18:59.23 | abrotman | should stop trying to help people :) |
| 18:59.34 | Nameless | i own a macbook pro |
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| 18:59.46 | Nameless | amd64 it's the better one? |
| 19:00.05 | Nameless | (for mbp) |
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| 19:00.30 | gschwepp | abrotman: no you do it fine thank you ;) |
| 19:00.41 | dvs | sez who? |
| 19:00.45 | dvs | hides |
| 19:00.54 | altin | dvs, well I woked something there based on comparing files on my server with those on other server |
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| 19:01.00 | altin | how can I test systraq |
| 19:01.05 | altin | if its working ? |
| 19:01.13 | babilen | Nameless: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook could be interesting (I haven't touched apple hardware in quite some time, so i can't give better apple specific advice) |
| 19:01.14 | thinksteve | Nameless: If you've more than 4Gb of ram you'll need it. |
| 19:01.27 | dvs | altin: I don't know anything about systraq. |
| 19:01.50 | babilen | thinksteve: That is not entirely true -- A bigmem kernel or amd64 kernel + i386 userland *is* an option |
| 19:01.55 | altin | well is here anyone who knows about SYSTRAQ ??????? |
| 19:02.00 | Nameless | thinksteve: i exactly have 4gb |
| 19:02.03 | Nameless | babilen: thanks! |
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| 19:03.48 | Nameless | oh, CD1 is enough for the base system doesn't it? |
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| 19:04.09 | babilen | Nameless: Do you have a working (wired) internet connection during the installation? |
| 19:04.26 | Nameless | yep |
| 19:04.38 | babilen | Nameless: And yes, CD1 is enough to install the base system + desktop environmen of your choice |
| 19:04.41 | babilen | !various cd1 |
| 19:04.41 | dpkg | There are CD-1 choices for various DEs (Desktop Environments) - there's one for GNOME, another for KDE, and one for XFCE/LXDE. For example; if you wanted the XFCE/LXDE CD-1 of Squeeze, you'd grab -> debian-600-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso from the mirrors (if you were going for i386 arch). Also ask me about <firmware images>, <release notes>, <ig>, <setup.exe>. |
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| 19:05.07 | babilen | Nameless: In that case you can also use the netinstall images -- They will download all required packages during the installation |
| 19:05.11 | babilen | !netinstall |
| 19:05.11 | dpkg | it has been said that netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 19:05.15 | babilen | !firmware images |
| 19:05.15 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install debian>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
| 19:05.39 | Nameless | uhm |
| 19:06.11 | babilen | Nameless: The firmware images contain firmware packages that might be needed by your hardware. The installation guide covers how to provide firmware if you are not using the firmware images or CDs/ DVDs |
| 19:06.26 | babilen | !ig |
| 19:06.26 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
| 19:06.46 | babilen | That should give you enough information and a lot to read :) |
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| 19:07.00 | Nameless | ahah thanks a lot |
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| 19:07.32 | thinksteve | babilen: What's the sense of using amd64 then? |
| 19:07.35 | babilen | Nameless: Just ask if you have further questions. If I were you I would probably use the firmware netinstall |
| 19:08.06 | SerajewelKS | hmm, i think jabberd14 has a memory leak |
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| 19:08.20 | babilen | thinksteve: Single processes can address more than 4GB ram, different compile options, register handling, .... |
| 19:08.22 | Nameless | no apple airport issues with firmware netinstall? |
| 19:08.40 | SerajewelKS | i woke up today to find swap on my server full, jabberd14 using 800mb of it, and random processes killed off by the kernel |
| 19:08.46 | SerajewelKS | :( |
| 19:08.50 | babilen | Nameless: Don't you have a wired/ethernet connection? |
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| 19:09.08 | Nameless | not in that room :\ |
| 19:09.21 | xingu | SerajewelKS: demand a full refund! :) |
| 19:09.30 | SerajewelKS | xingu: yeah, that'll show em! |
| 19:09.33 | Nameless | wifi only here, shoud i move to the router room? |
| 19:09.55 | babilen | Nameless: Then go to another room -- I don't know what chipset apple uses for their airport extreme adaptors, but the Debian installer does not support WPA networks anyway |
| 19:10.09 | Nameless | ouch |
| 19:10.26 | babilen | Nameless: yeah, it is a pity that wpa support did not make it this time |
| 19:10.36 | thinksteve | babilen: So x86-kernel with bigmem option won't take care of allocating more than 2³²mb of ram for single processes? |
| 19:10.57 | babilen | thinksteve: exactly -- the kernel itself can address it, not the userland processes |
| 19:11.00 | Zitter | is there a bug on alt-tab switching when enabling composinting_manager? |
| 19:11.04 | Nameless | maybe i should download amd64 iso |
| 19:11.18 | babilen | thinksteve: err, that statement is true for amd64 kernel + i386 userland |
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| 19:13.12 | thinksteve | babilen: Makes sense when parts of userland are 32bit based. :) |
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| 19:14.19 | xingu | Nameless: if you're talking a recent-ish macbook pro's 802.11a/b/g/n driver, it's probably atheros ath9k driver fyi. |
| 19:14.37 | Nameless | mbp 3,1 late 2007 |
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| 19:15.35 | xingu | Nameless: nearly certain then. |
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| 19:17.53 | Nameless | thanks xingu, noted that down |
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| 19:18.39 | babilen | !tell Nameless -about ath9k |
| 19:18.45 | babilen | Nameless: Just to complete that info |
| 19:19.03 | babilen | Nameless: But we can work on that as soon as you have Debian installed |
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| 19:19.48 | Nameless | yup |
| 19:20.03 | Ifur | ompaul: I seems to have been able to get D-I to make me a netboot image with kickseed support, was pretty straightforward, assuming it works. |
| 19:20.38 | Nameless | last time i used linux, swap partition was double the ram space |
| 19:20.47 | Nameless | then should i make 8gb swap ? :O |
| 19:21.11 | babilen | Nameless: no |
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| 19:22.40 | jelly-home | Nameless: 4-8GB ram, 1x RAM size should be more than enough |
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| 19:23.56 | ompaul | Nameless: working on the principle that the more swap you have the better you are if the machine becomes unstable the longer it may take to become stable again ... if it is a desktop then if you are using 1gig of swap with four gigs of ram you have a problem a big one |
| 19:24.50 | Ifur | Nameless: swap is more or less useless, nice to keep some, so that things that are never used get swapped out, essentially giving you more memory. Personally i just use a swap-file and not a partition, large swap partion is usefull mostly for hibernation and so on, in which case you want at least the size of your memory. (not sure if hibernation works with swap-file). |
| 19:25.06 | jelly-home | swap on an SSD might actually be usable |
| 19:25.24 | ompaul | Nameless: in saying that your choices are your own, I have seem machines with loads of 100 and those boxes did need lots of swap (internet facing server never stopped just got very slow) |
| 19:25.32 | Ifur | what ompaul said, the huge difference between disk performance and memory bandwidth is massive, if you actively need swap, you want the system to die... |
| 19:25.57 | ompaul | s/seem/seen |
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| 19:26.07 | Ifur | or if you have something with massive memory leaks that just 'has' to complete. |
| 19:26.28 | Ifur | jelly-home: money better spent on more memory :P |
| 19:26.33 | Nameless | uhm |
| 19:26.39 | ompaul | Nameless:the call is yours |
| 19:26.45 | Nameless | lol |
| 19:27.09 | Nameless | swap file should be better than swap partition? |
| 19:27.32 | ompaul | depends |
| 19:27.40 | babilen | Ifur: I wouldn't want to miss the 10GB swap on our DB server. |
| 19:27.42 | ompaul | you could afford to have one with that setup |
| 19:27.54 | babilen | Nameless: How much disk space do you have? |
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| 19:28.06 | Nameless | 750gb |
| 19:28.08 | ompaul | Nameless: what do you want the box for, we really should push you on that. |
| 19:28.19 | Ifur | babilen: If a local-disk crash, I'd like to give the OS/Node a chance to finish a run before dying |
| 19:28.36 | Nameless | i'd make 550gb for OSX and 200gb for debian |
| 19:28.46 | ompaul | lappy ... |
| 19:28.47 | babilen | Nameless: I don't think that 4GB swap would hurt |
| 19:29.38 | Ifur | I do, I go with 64MB on my workstations, plenty enough for my needs, have enough memory and have never been able to use the full 64MB |
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| 19:30.53 | Ifur | babilen: for a DB, swap will be worse if the DB itself stores data on a fast RAID, with swap being on a local OS disk. |
| 19:31.13 | ompaul | Ifur: 64meg? you running consoles for the workstations? |
| 19:31.26 | Ifur | ompaul: yeah, pretty much :P |
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| 19:32.04 | Ifur | use "awesome" window manager, rxvt-unicode terminals, x2goclient, chromium and thats pretty much it. |
| 19:32.48 | Ifur | atm I have 124 MB free memory out of 4GB, and 1MB of used swap |
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| 19:33.32 | Ifur | and i actually have 8GB of swap, for hibernation :D |
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| 19:33.55 | Ifur | laptop system |
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| 19:35.23 | Ifur | you dont need swap, but its silly to not have any, and for hibernation you DO need. |
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| 19:41.55 | Groundy | is there a happy debian way to (daily) check to see if a package has a new version, download sources, apply a patch, compile it, and put the debs in a local repo? |
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| 19:42.28 | Groundy | It would be nice to add it before my daily apt-update in my crontab |
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| 19:42.45 | Groundy | s/apt-update/apt-get update/ |
| 19:43.02 | Groundy | I looked at buildd, but it looks more than what I need |
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| 19:43.15 | abrotman | bleh |
| 19:43.39 | Groundy | heh, multi-network ask :-) |
| 19:44.01 | Groundy | I'm never sure if oftc or freenode is a better place, |
| 19:44.09 | babilen | deja-vu? |
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| 19:45.19 | babilen | Groundy: New version where? |
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| 19:45.38 | Groundy | babilen: in the standard debian repos, |
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| 19:45.51 | Groundy | so for eg stable or testing or I guess even unstable |
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| 19:46.42 | babilen | Groundy: I can't think of such a tool right now. I'll let you know if something pops into my mind. |
| 19:46.52 | Groundy | so for example I have manually apt-get'ed foobar-1.1 and applied my patch, and dch-i'ed, debuild, copy deb to /var/www |
| 19:47.05 | Groundy | and then I install foobar-1.1+groundy via apt-get |
| 19:47.17 | babilen | I understand what you are trying to do, I am just not sure if such a tool exist already. |
| 19:47.34 | Groundy | mmm, |
| 19:47.43 | pinkisntwell | i have a laptop which used to run windows for about a year, but for the past 4 months it's been running nothing but debian. the problem is that when the laptop is working at 100% CPU for about an hour, it switches off, and i assume this is due to high temperature. is there any chance that this is due to the OS? i couldn't find any relevant setting in the bios setup utility |
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| 19:48.57 | Black_Prince | pinkisntwell, maybe you want to look at frequency scaling |
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| 19:49.34 | Black_Prince | !cpufreq |
| 19:49.34 | dpkg | The Linux kernel CPUfreq subsystem supports frequency scaling on mobile (and some desktop) x86, PowerPC and ARM processors. It provides an interface for throttling processor speed, to save power when the system is idle. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/CpuFrequencyScaling http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/cpufreq/cpufreq.html . See also <power saving>. |
| 19:49.35 | acu | pinkisntwell, I installed debian squeeze in an old amd64 alienware laptop and with lxde was shuting down as you describe - strangely enough with GNOME and I think KDE it did not happend |
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| 19:50.19 | babilen | Is it intentional that reportbug scripts can't be directory executed and require to be executed with bash? |
| 19:51.06 | babilen | (although shebang is #!/bin/sh) |
| 19:51.29 | babilen | s/directory/directly -- jeez |
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| 19:52.22 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:53.19 | babilen | Bushmills: Ah, sorry. I am talking about, for example, /usr/share/bug/xserver-xorg/script (and all others in /usr/share/bug) |
| 19:54.51 | Bushmills | no evident bashism in that script |
| 19:55.44 | babilen | Bushmills: Yeah, i've ran checkbashism as well. I'll investigate further ... |
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| 19:56.26 | doublehp | why does my debian box let mtime unchanged when files are altered ? |
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| 19:57.44 | pinkisntwell | acu: i'm using awesome window manager on this machine. i also have kde installed but there's hardly anything from it running at any one time |
| 19:58.14 | pinkisntwell | Black_Prince: frequency scaling is for when the system is idle, right? the problem exhibits itself at full load |
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| 19:59.32 | Bushmills | pinkisntwell: is the fan audibly speeding up when the machine heats up? |
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| 19:59.50 | Ifur | doublehp: depends on filesystem and mount options, but no, dont have an actual answer here |
| 20:00.57 | doublehp | Ifur: noatime explains outdated atime; what can explain outdated mtime ? |
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| 20:03.24 | pinkisntwell | Bushmills: yes it is |
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| 20:04.01 | Bushmills | you have the impression that it runs at full speed with machine under load? |
| 20:04.02 | pinkisntwell | Bushmills: The thing is, this problem never happened when I was using windows, even though I used to play quake for hours. |
| 20:04.14 | pinkisntwell | Bushmills: yes, i'm pretty sure it's at full load |
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| 20:05.04 | Nameless | debian-6.0.1a-amd64-CD-1.iso saved |
| 20:05.29 | Bushmills | well ... check the temperatures. there are several packages and way to read and display temperatures from several sensors |
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| 20:06.45 | pinkisntwell | Bushmills: thanks... i will investigate. is it possible that one os can be more conservative with the temperatures it allows? |
| 20:06.50 | Nameless | babilen: amd64, i downloaded the right arch, isn't it? |
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| 20:07.35 | Bushmills | pinkisntwell: different OS can have different effect on heat generation of CPUs |
| 20:08.21 | Bushmills | 100% load of CPU by different programs doesn't (have to) mean "resulting in same temperature" |
| 20:08.42 | babilen | Nameless: yes |
| 20:10.04 | pinkisntwell | Bushmills: indeed, but you would expect that 100% cpu and gpu for a few hours is pretty much as bad as it can get |
| 20:10.17 | pinkisntwell | Bushmills: when gaming for example |
| 20:11.47 | Bushmills | the exact CPU instructions which are executed have quite an influence. basically, the CPU gets hotter the more complex the instructions, in terms of number of involved gates, are. |
| 20:11.54 | Nameless | if i think i will have to setup apple wireless keyboard and magic mouse, i start to cry :P |
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| 20:14.20 | Nameless | Also consider creating a partition for exchanging data between Linux and Mac OS X |
| 20:14.32 | Nameless | seriously? |
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| 20:19.31 | sparta | is pthread available for debian squeeze? |
| 20:19.53 | doublehp | IMHO it's in debiuan since ever |
| 20:20.09 | doublehp | at least 2004 |
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| 20:21.36 | babilen | Nameless: You don't have to if you don't want to. |
| 20:21.51 | Nameless | :D |
| 20:22.02 | Nameless | i was sarcastic |
| 20:22.30 | babilen | Nameless: sarcasm is not well supported by most protocols ;) |
| 20:22.33 | Nameless | it's impossibile i can't mount hfs+ filesystem |
| 20:22.41 | Nameless | lol :P |
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| 20:22.49 | jelly-home | sparta: what, the library? On systems using GNU libc (most Linux distros), don't forget to -lpthread |
| 20:23.19 | babilen | !tell Nameless -about hfsplus |
| 20:23.35 | spal | sparta: that is when you compile your code, you have to use gcc -lpthread mycode.cc |
| 20:23.43 | babilen | Nameless: I am not sure how well ext2/3/4 support is developed for OS X -- #osx might know |
| 20:23.48 | sparta | ok |
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| 20:24.04 | Nameless | k, thanks babilen |
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| 20:24.13 | babilen | Nameless: Ah, that is probably #apple |
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| 20:24.40 | jelly-home | spal: why are you compiling C++ code with gcc <g> |
| 20:25.04 | spal | okay, that should be g++ -lpthread |
| 20:25.16 | jelly-home | *wink* |
| 20:25.31 | sparta | i need a library to compile c code |
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| 20:25.51 | jhutchins | ext support for osx is available. |
| 20:26.00 | jhutchins | Just like it is for Windows. |
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| 20:27.34 | babilen | Nameless: Looks like http://code.google.com/p/macfuse/ + http://sourceforge.net/projects/fuse-ext2/ (but that is FUSE -- ask in #apple for better OS X support) |
| 20:27.53 | Nameless | yupm thanks |
| 20:27.56 | babilen | Nameless: ... would enable you to mount ext2 on OSX |
| 20:28.10 | Nameless | *yup |
| 20:28.13 | CalimeroTeknik | hello! is it possible to predict in which order udev will load the modules ? (when running udevadm trigger) |
| 20:28.23 | babilen | Nameless: The hfsplus support in Linux might be better :-\ |
| 20:28.34 | doublehp | CalimeroTeknik: why ? |
| 20:28.37 | babilen | Nameless: There is always FAT though |
| 20:28.43 | Nameless | yeah |
| 20:28.46 | buhman | jhutchins: the mac implementations look crapper than windows |
| 20:28.53 | CalimeroTeknik | because I want to order the files at the surface of a CD so it boots faster |
| 20:29.09 | acrocycle | Is there anyone who could give me some direction with some inconsitencies I am having with printing from a server with no GUI? The print jobs just hang in the queue but drivers are installed and setup. |
| 20:29.21 | CalimeroTeknik | during boot, the CD drive lens will only move in one direction, doublehp |
| 20:29.22 | doublehp | CalimeroTeknik: i'd have an answer for many other reasons, but not this one |
| 20:29.52 | CalimeroTeknik | reasons ? :( |
| 20:30.00 | CalimeroTeknik | but it's worth it ! |
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| 20:30.49 | doublehp | CalimeroTeknik: NICs have mixed numbers depending on kernels on the same machine (some kernels may load NICs in bus oder, OR, in alphabetical name for drivers) |
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| 20:31.15 | doublehp | CalimeroTeknik: same problem for SCSI disks, or USB drives: the dev node name may change with order of discovery |
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| 20:31.40 | CalimeroTeknik | then, the loading order of the modules at boot is unpredictable ? |
| 20:31.41 | doublehp | CalimeroTeknik: then, ifrename, or /sys/*/by-adress can do ... |
| 20:32.18 | doublehp | CalimeroTeknik: YOU are not speaking about kernel, but udev: i don't know if kernel gives a list to udev, or if udev probes things one by one |
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| 20:32.49 | CalimeroTeknik | that's why I asked :) |
| 20:32.51 | doublehp | CalimeroTeknik: to the least, it is kernel dependant; for given kernel, I almost always have the same order; i had problems only when changing kernel |
| 20:33.23 | doublehp | CalimeroTeknik: thus my answer: to THIS question, i can't help |
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| 20:33.32 | CalimeroTeknik | since it's a livecd, I expect to order the modules by folder, of course |
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| 20:33.39 | CalimeroTeknik | yes, thanks anyway ;) |
| 20:33.47 | CalimeroTeknik | I will try asking other chans |
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| 20:33.49 | acrocycle | Anyone know why a pint job will just hang in the queue (as shown by lpq) and not show up on the CUPS web interface? I can print fine with my Debian laptop but not my server. |
| 20:33.50 | doublehp | CalimeroTeknik: reask, or try #kernel #udev ... |
| 20:34.02 | doublehp | CalimeroTeknik: or other people here later |
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| 20:34.12 | CalimeroTeknik | oh, yes, I didn't try udev. so obvious ! |
| 20:34.22 | doublehp | acrocycle: #cups ... ? |
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| 20:34.36 | acrocycle | didn't even think there would be a cups |
| 20:34.42 | acrocycle | will check there first |
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| 20:34.49 | doublehp | CalimeroTeknik: if exists ... but also #hardware #kernelnewbies and so |
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| 20:35.13 | doublehp | he left :/ |
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| 20:38.18 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: You know, if he'd waited instead of being sent on a wild goose chase, someone could have told him about the udev70 rule. |
| 20:39.03 | CalimeroTeknik | 70-hid2hci jhutchins_lt ? |
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| 20:39.28 | jhutchins_lt | !70 |
| 20:39.28 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Squeeze, Lenny) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 20:39.29 | CalimeroTeknik | does it conflict with usb printers ? (feels like I'm totally wrong) |
| 20:40.15 | CalimeroTeknik | this won't be needed with the new network interface naming scheme :) |
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| 20:40.34 | jhutchins_lt | CalimeroTeknik: You might want to look at upstart as well. It's more developed in Ubuntu, not considered ready for prime time here. |
| 20:40.44 | CalimeroTeknik | upstart ? why ? |
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| 20:43.29 | jhutchins_lt | CalimeroTeknik: RE: USB, simillar mechanism. |
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| 20:44.34 | Nameless | hopefully webclients are not banned here |
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| 20:45.32 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt: IDK != go away . i was telling about the guy who asked for a printer. And, I don't think that 70 will help him ... would'nt be more helpfull that <<42>> |
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| 20:45.45 | jelly-home | Nameless: not if you behave nicely |
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| 20:46.18 | buhman | I'm pretty noobish with debian, I tried running a configure script, and the first thing I get is configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables |
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| 20:47.06 | jelly-home | buhman, you're missing the "build-essential" package and probably others. What is it you're trying to build? |
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| 20:47.07 | babilen | buhman: built-essential installed? |
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| 20:50.58 | buhman | jelly-home: heh, you're correct |
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| 20:51.34 | babilen | buhman: What are you trying to build? |
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| 20:52.04 | jelly-home | they don't want to say because they mistakenly think it's not relevant |
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| 20:52.24 | jelly-home | </paranoia> |
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| 20:52.44 | Nameless | so babilen, i'm at the partition disk stage |
| 20:52.44 | babilen | <paranoia> |
| 20:52.59 | Nameless | 250gb free |
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| 20:53.56 | Nameless | proceed with auto partitioning? |
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| 20:54.14 | bob1316 | i am trying to change the default deakstop environment in squeeze to gnome---it is currently kde--how do i do this? edit .xinitrc? |
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| 20:54.40 | buhman | jelly-home: I was building extundelete (because one day, I was in a really terrible mood and did rm -rf * in /home |
| 20:54.47 | buhman | jelly-home: so I haven't mounted that partition since |
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| 20:55.01 | babilen | Nameless: You might want to read the installation guide. I wouldn't use the auto-partitioner, but its your machine and you are probably well served with guided partitioning, yes. |
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| 20:55.23 | buhman | jelly-home: after I grabbed that and the extfslib-dev (or something to that effect), it seems to have compiled painlessly |
| 20:55.26 | jelly-home | buhman: alright, that probably doesn't have many build dependencies |
| 20:55.34 | buhman | jelly-home: indeed not :) |
| 20:55.37 | jelly-home | buhman: e2fsprogs-dev most likely |
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| 20:55.58 | buhman | jelly-home: yeah, that sounds right |
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| 20:56.31 | babilen | buhman: http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html |
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| 20:56.45 | babilen | buhman: You know that you are probably out of luck though, don't you? |
| 20:56.52 | babilen | buhman: I wish you all the best though. |
| 20:56.57 | jelly-home | buhman: if your data is worth more than say $500, consider consulting a professional data recovery service instead. |
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| 20:57.08 | buhman | babilen: I did no operations other than rm -rf * |
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| 20:57.20 | MrJK | hello |
| 20:57.28 | jelly-home | buhman: in any case, make a block-level copy of the partition and play with that instead of the original |
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| 20:57.33 | ZyZ | Hi, how come FIFOs don't work in Debian |
| 20:57.40 | MrJK | I'd like to know how to install a specific version of a package |
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| 20:57.45 | jelly-home | ZyZ: how indeed! |
| 20:57.50 | MrJK | I don't find any infos on google ... |
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| 20:58.07 | buhman | jelly-home: that sounds pretty cool; I would just dd that and mount it as a loop device, right? |
| 20:58.07 | ZyZ | jelly-home: I put stuff in the FIFO and nothing comes out the other end |
| 20:58.15 | babilen | buhman: exactly |
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| 20:58.22 | ZyZ | jelly-home: exact same command I run in my Parabola system |
| 20:58.24 | Nameless | auto partitioning will create 8gb of swap, ouch |
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| 20:59.10 | jelly-home | ZyZ: mkfifo foo; cat foo & echo blah >> foo # works for me |
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| 21:00.24 | jelly-home | buhman: yes. Probably no need to mount, recovery tools usually work directly on the device |
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| 21:00.49 | ZyZ | jelly-home: hum, that worked |
| 21:01.10 | Nameless | babilen: both /macbook and /macbookpro wikis does not says anything about linux os partitioning |
| 21:01.17 | ZyZ | oh, maybe I need to us >> |
| 21:01.31 | buhman | jelly-home: oh... don't I need to mount the physical device to dd though? |
| 21:01.56 | CalimeroTeknik | buhman, it's a bad idea, moreover |
| 21:02.02 | jelly-home | buhman: definitely not |
| 21:02.12 | buhman | jelly-home: oops |
| 21:02.16 | CalimeroTeknik | when writing a raw image to a block device, don't mount it. |
| 21:02.17 | ZyZ | I can't read stuff from the FIFO with `tail -f'? |
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| 21:02.28 | babilen | !tell Nameless -about ig |
| 21:03.00 | CalimeroTeknik | ZyZ, nope, is it the point? can't you just cat it ? |
| 21:03.10 | CalimeroTeknik | tail is for files |
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| 21:03.20 | buhman | jelly-home: actually, /home is larger than /; I'm not sure how I'm going to go about doing this... |
| 21:03.34 | jelly-home | buhman: second disk. |
| 21:03.40 | wissem | anyone know how to configure the system to not turn off wireless card on susben mode on a acer laptop ? |
| 21:03.48 | buhman | jelly-home: I don't have a disk that large on me :) |
| 21:03.50 | babilen | Nameless: We can discuss hours about a good partitioning scheme now ... But I think that you are more or less fine with putting everything in one partition + swap with sizeof(swap) == sizeof(RAM) |
| 21:04.01 | jelly-home | ZyZ: mkfifo foo; tail -f foo & echo bar >> foo; sleep 1; echo baz >> foo |
| 21:04.21 | jelly-home | ZyZ: still works for me |
| 21:04.25 | Nameless | nice, thanks |
| 21:04.30 | Dad` | :win 29 |
| 21:04.54 | babilen | Nameless: And if I would start recommending something you will drown in options and considerations :) |
| 21:05.02 | CalimeroTeknik | buhman, photorec is your friend to recover files from a partition which index says they don't exist |
| 21:05.06 | jelly-home | babilen: LVM! |
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| 21:05.11 | babilen | jelly-home: for example |
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| 21:05.58 | CalimeroTeknik | and of course, when you are angry, use a hammer on a piece of wood in the backyard, not rm ;) |
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| 21:06.09 | ZyZ | jelly-home: OK, that worked, it seems it's a specific FIFO that doesn't work |
| 21:06.40 | ZyZ | my /tmp/not_sendmail FIFO doesn't work |
| 21:07.26 | ZyZ | same permissions as the foo FIFO |
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| 21:07.57 | jelly-home | ZyZ: which app is filling it? which app is supposed to read it? Have you used lsof or fuser to confirm there are no multiple readers stealing your bytes? |
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| 21:08.43 | jelly-home | it doesn't sound like an OS issue, more application related |
| 21:08.52 | ZyZ | jelly-home: stealing bytes? that must be it... I thought multiple programs could read a FIFO at once |
| 21:09.22 | jelly-home | ZyZ: they can, and once a process read them, they're gone. |
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| 21:09.55 | jelly-home | a pipe is not a tee |
| 21:10.31 | ZyZ | wha |
| 21:10.32 | ZyZ | OK, fine |
| 21:10.48 | buhman | CalimeroTeknik: does that work on ext4? |
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| 21:11.34 | wissem | anyone knows how to configure the system to not turn off wireless card on suspend mode on a acer laptop ? |
| 21:11.42 | CalimeroTeknik | I don't know buhman, I've never used ext4 (nor ext3) |
| 21:12.12 | buhman | so far, that extundelete has already snagged 5gb from that drive (it's not modifying the partition, as far as I know; just copying it all over to its partition) |
| 21:12.19 | wissem | that was possible on windows xp, it should be there on linux as well ;) |
| 21:12.20 | CalimeroTeknik | wissem, I think it's in /etc/pm/sleep.d |
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| 21:12.36 | bob1316 | i am trying to change the default deakstop environment in squeeze to gnome---it is currently kde--how do i do this? edit .xinitrc? |
| 21:12.49 | CalimeroTeknik | why not turn it off anyway? it saves power |
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| 21:13.32 | wissem | CalimeroTeknik: for downloading big files... |
| 21:13.48 | buhman | CalimeroTeknik: the main site only claims it works on ext2 and 3 |
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| 21:14.10 | CalimeroTeknik | can you download with the processor Off wissem ?? |
| 21:14.18 | bob1316 | save for the devices under /null/listen |
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| 21:14.51 | jelly-home | buhman: photorec is a tool that searches for filetype signatures, I don't really see why it wouldn't work on any fs that keeps the files in a contiguous location but then I haven't used it, ever |
| 21:14.52 | CalimeroTeknik | I mean, suspending means you shut down the processor, enter ACPI state S3 and only power RAM |
| 21:15.06 | wissem | CalimeroTeknik: so that its not possible ? I thought the processor is not off on suspend ?? |
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| 21:15.29 | CalimeroTeknik | wissem, have you downloaded big files on suspend mode with windows ? |
| 21:15.31 | bob1316 | can anyone please tell me why i cant change the default desktop to gnome? |
| 21:15.39 | bob1316 | in squeeze? |
| 21:15.40 | CalimeroTeknik | wissem, if it's *really |
| 21:15.42 | CalimeroTeknik | suspend to ram |
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| 21:15.54 | CalimeroTeknik | yes, the processor stops being powered |
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| 21:16.17 | buhman | jelly-home: it's already got ~/Documents/* ... all of it, it appears; I'm quite pleased with this extundelete |
| 21:16.20 | wissem | I dont know how windows deals with suspend mode |
| 21:16.21 | jelly-home | bob1316: choose the session type on the login screen -- it will become the default option for that username for next time |
| 21:16.34 | wissem | but i guess, i did download on suspend mode on windows |
| 21:16.34 | bob1316 | i have n login screen |
| 21:16.35 | CalimeroTeknik | wissem, the same way as linux ; with ACPI. |
| 21:16.38 | bob1316 | no* |
| 21:16.39 | babilen | buhman: photorec *is* worth a try |
| 21:16.50 | CalimeroTeknik | wissem, then it was just screen off. did the cpu fan stop ? |
| 21:17.04 | jelly-home | bob1316: how do you start X? |
| 21:17.55 | bob1316 | this is a lenny system i did a full upgrade on--kde4 just takes too many rescouces from this celeron 1.3 ghz bard--so i need to make the desktop gnome or xfce |
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| 21:18.11 | ne7work | which is best way for install of debian? |
| 21:18.14 | jelly-home | bob1316: xfce has its own "startxfce4" command. |
| 21:18.24 | ne7work | From netinstall is good way or? |
| 21:18.25 | bob1316 | yah i can start xfce like that |
| 21:18.32 | bob1316 | but how to just do it at boot? |
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| 21:18.37 | buhman | babilen: I don't think extundelete is hurting the partition (hopefully), but if it doesn't snag something I still want (I already have everything I *need*, luckily), then I'll have a second round of photorec; thanks |
| 21:18.43 | wissem | CalimeroTeknik: yes it stopped, i have to try again maybe i'm wrong. :s |
| 21:19.07 | jelly-home | bob1316: do you want your user to be automatically logged in and xfce or whatever started? |
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| 21:19.27 | bob1316 | i'll worry about autologin once i get the default deaktop set |
| 21:19.47 | jelly-home | bob1316: so what's wrong with running startxfce4? |
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| 21:20.03 | silner | ne7work, I don't know a single answer to that except to say I like Gnome so I just grab that iso and burn it to CD and go from there |
| 21:20.11 | bob1316 | well whats wrong with a system that boots into xfce4 to begin with? |
| 21:20.19 | bob1316 | or gnome? |
| 21:20.27 | CalimeroTeknik | wissem, it's impossible you downloaded files while the processor was not powered |
| 21:20.28 | buhman | ne7work: whenever I install debian, I use the first standard installation disk, and let it auto-upgrade while installing. |
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| 21:20.41 | CalimeroTeknik | it's just⦠hardware can't do that |
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| 21:20.58 | buhman | ne7work: that said, if your internet is fast and reliable, you might end up better of with an internet installation, like you said |
| 21:21.03 | jelly-home | bob1316: xfce4 is a user session. If you want to "boot into xfce4", I interpret that as "boot, autologin, and start xfce" |
| 21:21.32 | bob1316 | ok right now i just need to change the default desktop |
| 21:21.39 | ne7work | buhman well I don't know what install netinstall all 8 DVDs or? |
| 21:21.41 | bob1316 | how to do that? |
| 21:21.48 | buhman | ne7work: NOoo |
| 21:21.58 | ne7work | buhman, but everything I need? |
| 21:22.40 | buhman | ne7work: just http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.1a-amd64-CD-1.iso (if you want x86_64) |
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| 21:23.16 | ne7work | buhman, but debian x64 is multilib? |
| 21:23.38 | jelly-home | bob1316: welp. If you don't start one in your .xinitrc or .xsessionrc manually, I _guess_ startx is using the x-session-manager binary. If that is the case, update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 21:23.40 | buhman | ne7work: I wouldn't know... never tried non x64 |
| 21:24.03 | buhman | ne7work: otherwise, your i386 is http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.1a-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 21:24.11 | bob1316 | i have an .xinitrc in /root and in /usr/bob/--both have a single line in them that says exec gnome-session |
| 21:24.13 | daniel_ | hey anyone know how to install a patch |
| 21:24.36 | buhman | ne7work: both of those have a graphical installer and gnome/x11 |
| 21:24.50 | jelly-home | bob1316: what does echo $HOME as your non-root user say? |
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| 21:25.16 | bob1316 | i am not in that install right now as ke just runs too slow--i am on a puppy live cd |
| 21:25.21 | bob1316 | *kde |
| 21:25.24 | wissem | CalimeroTeknik: i was wrong actually. thanks for clearing that to me. |
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| 21:25.41 | bob1316 | however i can see the filesystem if i need to... |
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| 21:26.14 | CalimeroTeknik | well, some machine could have a DMA channel for the wifi card to write on the hard disk directly wissem |
| 21:26.16 | daniel_ | trying get acpi thinkpad working |
| 21:26.16 | daniel_ | using lenny8 |
| 21:26.25 | CalimeroTeknik | but in S3 ACPI state, the hard disk is off too :D |
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| 21:26.33 | jelly-home | bob1316: mount it and chroot into it, there's too little data to see why your system is behaving the way you say it is. When you boot Debian, what steps do you take to get to that kde? |
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| 21:26.53 | CalimeroTeknik | and anyway, the APIC is ready to power on the PC again when it receives any interruption |
| 21:27.03 | bob1316 | update-alternatives --config x-session-manager is a command i can run as user or root? |
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| 21:27.15 | jelly-home | bob1316: that's a command for root. |
| 21:27.29 | bob1316 | i can tell you right now however that gdm3 is the xsession mgr |
| 21:27.41 | wissem | CalimeroTeknik: so this is possible, i'm not following you here |
| 21:27.50 | jelly-home | bob1316: so you DO have a login manager. |
| 21:28.01 | bob1316 | not at boot |
| 21:28.12 | bob1316 | im not on that system now |
| 21:28.18 | bob1316 | im on a live cd |
| 21:28.19 | CalimeroTeknik | wissem, yes, if you were a motherboard constructor |
| 21:28.26 | buhman | ne7work: I haven't done anything special to my installation, and I used that amd64 image, and I have /lib32 which seems to be populated with the usual stuff, so I'd assume those spins are multilib, yes |
| 21:28.28 | CalimeroTeknik | you could build a machine able to do that |
| 21:28.33 | jelly-home | bob1316: I don't care about what you're using right now. |
| 21:28.40 | CalimeroTeknik | but YOUR pc can't do that; definitely |
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| 21:29.30 | CalimeroTeknik | wissem, I was explaining how and why it wasn't possible, and what hardware changes could allow that |
| 21:29.41 | babilen | daniel_: Why do you need to patch anything for that? "modprobe thinkpad_acpi" should be enough (if not loaded already) |
| 21:29.47 | bob1316 | jelly-home, : will update-alternatives --config x-session-manager as root allow me to change the default desktop? or just change the xsession mgr? |
| 21:29.50 | jelly-home | bob1316: I'm talking about your Debian installation. When you boot it, do you log in at text console, or at a graphical (gdm3) login? |
| 21:30.07 | bob1316 | i am autologged into kde |
| 21:30.18 | babilen | daniel_: You should also consider upgrading to squeeze (the current stable release) -- /msg dpkg release notes |
| 21:30.38 | babilen | daniel_: Which thinkpad do you have? |
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| 21:31.48 | jelly-home | bob1316: so you configured gdm3 to autologin? |
| 21:32.06 | CalimeroTeknik | wissem, our problem there is that we need a processor to handle the http connection, so you can't power off your processor |
| 21:32.16 | CalimeroTeknik | so you can't suspend, QED |
| 21:32.18 | bob1316 | as i said--this is a lenny system i upgraded--i was autologged into kde 3.5 then |
| 21:33.00 | wissem | CalimeroTeknik: yes but how to know the cpu is really off ? cpu fan cant really tell that much |
| 21:33.07 | bob1316 | if the whizzes at kde had just left control center where it had been i could have changed this yesterday |
| 21:33.15 | CalimeroTeknik | of course cpu fan can tell. |
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| 21:33.30 | daniel_ | x41 non tablet |
| 21:33.46 | CalimeroTeknik | it's always running on laptops when the processor is on, now⦠|
| 21:34.02 | babilen | daniel_: You know http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X41 ? |
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| 21:34.46 | CalimeroTeknik | and if the processor is on, and the fan not running, you can see the smoke and smell the plastic melting, wissem :D |
| 21:34.54 | babilen | daniel_: so, is "thinkpad_acpi" loaded? (lsmod|grep thinkpad_acpi) |
| 21:34.59 | jelly-home | bob1316: hm. I'd boot to rescue mode, disable the login manager that does the autologin, enable some other (gdm3 instead of kdm or the other way round; use something like dpkg-reconfigure gdm3), boot normally and choose a different session there |
| 21:35.08 | raffaell | why is irc debian brazil? |
| 21:35.23 | wissem | well, my test was on a desktop computer but it was a while ago. i'll try finding another box to test on... |
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| 21:35.32 | CalimeroTeknik | raffaell, do you mean 'where' ? |
| 21:35.33 | wissem | CalimeroTeknik: lol good idea ;) |
| 21:35.41 | bob1316 | jelly-home, how could i just change that with a commandline edit from this live cd? |
| 21:36.06 | jelly-home | bob1316: mount the system, chroot into it, do the dpkg-reconfigure bits |
| 21:36.10 | CalimeroTeknik | I mean, no PC constructor would be dumb enough to power off the fan and not the processor wissem |
| 21:36.21 | CalimeroTeknik | so fan off = processor off. |
| 21:36.35 | bob1316 | isnt there a text file in /etc somewhere i can just change? |
| 21:36.58 | jelly-home | bob1316: that's the clean way to change the login manager. |
| 21:37.06 | bob1316 | bah disty is fine |
| 21:37.11 | bob1316 | dirty* |
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| 21:37.46 | jelly-home | I can't be bothered to figure out and explain the dirty way, sorry. What's wrong with mounting and chrooting into the system? |
| 21:38.13 | bob1316 | i shouldnt eeven HAVE an .xinitrc in root should i? |
| 21:38.23 | jelly-home | correct -- you shouldn't |
| 21:38.29 | babilen | daniel_: hmm? |
| 21:38.35 | Nameless | damn, refit does not boot |
| 21:38.50 | jelly-home | bob1316: (you probably shouldn't need to run X as root, ever) |
| 21:38.58 | daniel_ | were is my boot log ill tell you |
| 21:38.59 | bob1316 | yah i know that much |
| 21:39.02 | bob1316 | and i never do |
| 21:39.08 | bob1316 | so im wondering how it got there |
| 21:39.17 | babilen | daniel_: Run "lsmod | grep thinkpad" and paste the output :) |
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| 21:39.47 | daniel_ | were is the boot log |
| 21:39.58 | babilen | daniel_: You have to enable it |
| 21:40.04 | bob1316 | however both .xinitrc files say the same thing "exec gnome-seesion" |
| 21:40.20 | babilen | !tell daniel_ -about bootlog |
| 21:40.40 | daniel_ | daniel@DL:~$ lsmod | grep thinkpad |
| 21:40.40 | daniel_ | thinkpad_acpi 51664 0 |
| 21:40.40 | daniel_ | rfkill 10928 1 thinkpad_acpi |
| 21:40.40 | daniel_ | hwmon 3484 1 thinkpad_acpi |
| 21:40.40 | daniel_ | led_class 4740 1 thinkpad_acpi |
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| 21:41.37 | jelly-home | !spank babilen |
| 21:41.37 | dpkg | bends babilen over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 21:41.41 | babilen | ugh |
| 21:41.45 | simonlnu | !tell daniel_ about paste |
| 21:41.54 | bob1316 | so--theres no simple way to change the default desktop just by editing .xinitrc or another file? |
| 21:42.01 | babilen | simonlnu: daniel_ is not yet back :-\ |
| 21:42.20 | simonlnu | doesn't dpkg still tell people who aren't here? |
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| 21:42.53 | jelly-home | bob1316: there is no such thing as a default desktop. It's a login-manager, per-user value. |
| 21:43.30 | bob1316 | so HOW DO I CHANGE THAT? |
| 21:44.05 | jelly-home | bob1316: I don't know where that setting is stored. |
| 21:44.27 | babilen | which setting? |
| 21:44.33 | bob1316 | its evidently not in .xinitrc... |
| 21:44.43 | jelly-home | babilen: user's choice of session manager |
| 21:45.11 | bob1316 | user's choiuce of gnome or xfce actaully |
| 21:45.22 | bob1316 | instead of kde |
| 21:45.42 | babilen | x-session-manager? That would be in /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager â link somewhere sensible |
| 21:45.52 | jelly-home | babilen: that's not the per-user setting |
| 21:45.54 | robokop | bob1316: perhaps ~/.dmrc for user specific |
| 21:45.57 | babilen | Or the gdm gnome thingie? |
| 21:46.09 | jelly-home | babilen: the *dm thingie. |
| 21:46.27 | babilen | robokop: In ~/.dmrc |
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| 21:46.47 | bob1316 | this is a lenny install i ugraded to kde--kde4 simply uses too much processor power for this celeron 1.3 ghz to run so i need to change to gnome or xfce |
| 21:46.54 | jelly-home | bob1316: what they said, try ~/.dmrc |
| 21:47.05 | babilen | err, robokop got it right and I wanted to credit him -- bob1316 ^^ |
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| 21:47.33 | bob1316 | i have to do this from the debian install correct? as root? |
| 21:47.35 | buhman | is gnome3 going to be in one of the repositories when it's released? is gnome3 actually worth it? |
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| 21:48.49 | babilen | buhman: gnome3-session is in experimental and gnome3 will definitely make it into Debian. I had a look at it and liked it. Am not a fan of desktop environments though. |
| 21:49.29 | babilen | bob1316: You might also want to take a look at LXDE or a light window manager such as fluxbox, awesome, wmii, ... |
| 21:49.36 | kgoetz | Ifur: incase you didn't find it, check the DebianInstaller wiki pages, they link to several guides to do things like create customised initrds |
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| 21:49.46 | bob1316 | ~/.dmrc as root in the debian system? thats what i need to try? |
| 21:50.07 | jelly-home | bob1316: it's a file to edit in your user's home directory |
| 21:50.18 | jelly-home | ~ means $HOME |
| 21:50.53 | bob1316 | ok so i can edit it from this live cd then? |
| 21:51.14 | jelly-home | bob1316: do you know what "mount your system" means? |
| 21:52.12 | buhman | babilen: I think I believe you completely just because you said it just like that :) |
| 21:52.42 | babilen | ,versions gnome3-session |
| 21:52.44 | judd | Package gnome3-session on i386 -- experimental: 2.30.2-4 |
| 21:52.48 | bob1316 | ok that file says [desktop] Session=kde what do i change to make it run xfce? |
| 21:52.49 | babilen | buhman: see ^^ :) |
| 21:53.17 | jelly-home | bob1316: amazingly, replace "kde" with "xfce" |
| 21:53.19 | buhman | babilen: I meant gnome 3 being good |
| 21:53.40 | buhman | babilen: believe meaning something more like adopting your opinion :P |
| 21:53.41 | bob1316 | session=xfce4 then? |
| 21:53.56 | jelly-home | bob1316: is that what I wrote? |
| 21:54.04 | bob1316 | or session=xfce ? |
| 21:54.09 | babilen | buhman: Ah, that .. Well, I prefer lighter choices though. |
| 21:54.19 | jelly-home | <jelly-home> bob1316: amazingly, replace "kde" with "xfce" |
| 21:54.47 | Ifur | kgoetz: thanks, did find this, made a initrd with necessary firmware and kickseed (its in /lib/kickseed inside the initrd, i checked) but kickseed is somehow not working.... |
| 21:54.49 | buhman | babilen: like no X at all? |
| 21:54.53 | bob1316 | wtf is your problem with just answering the question asked jelly-home ? |
| 21:55.16 | babilen | buhman: I listed some good choices earlier -- I am currently using awesomewm |
| 21:55.25 | kgoetz | iifkickseed? |
| 21:55.28 | kgoetz | feh. |
| 21:55.31 | jelly-home | bob1316: I prefer the user draw its own conclusions and use their brain a little. |
| 21:55.32 | kgoetz | Ifur: kickseed? |
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| 21:55.34 | babilen | kgoetz: sorry? |
| 21:55.42 | jelly-home | s/its/their/ |
| 21:55.55 | bob1316 | i prefer a staright answer to a straight question myself |
| 21:56.24 | Ifur | kgoetz: yeah, not the same as preseed, kickseed is a implementation of RH kickstart i think. |
| 21:56.37 | bob1316 | however ty for your help nonetheless--although rude you HAVE been informative |
| 21:57.30 | jelly-home | np, hope you get your system back to working state |
| 21:57.31 | kgoetz | Ifur: hm, ok. i thought d-i could read the kickstart files directly |
| 21:57.40 | kgoetz | babilen: ? |
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| 21:58.36 | babilen | kgoetz: I couldn't make sense of "iifkickseed?" :) |
| 21:59.07 | kgoetz | babilen: ah right. its a failed attempt to tab complete Ifur and follow that with 'kickseed' ;) |
| 21:59.35 | babilen | kgoetz: That much became apparent later :) |
| 21:59.40 | Ifur | kgoetz: it can?! |
| 21:59.41 | kgoetz | hehe :) |
| 21:59.58 | kgoetz | Ifur: i thought so; could be wrong, ive never tried it myself |
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| 22:00.36 | Ifur | kgoetz: your probably thinking of preseed |
| 22:01.50 | kgoetz | nah, i'm aware d-i has its own preseeding stuff |
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| 22:02.41 | uofm49426 | daniel_is back |
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| 22:03.14 | uofm49426 | acpi_thinpad x41 |
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| 22:04.44 | babilen | uofm49426: yeah, welcome back. I would need the following in a paste on http://paste.debian.net -- "lsmod" "uname -a" "dpkg -l libc6" -- Which release of Debian are you using? |
| 22:04.59 | babilen | uofm49426: Ah, throw in "apt-cache policy" too :) |
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| 22:07.30 | uofm49426 | i dont really know if it a big problem its just telling me having problem with brightness of my screen |
| 22:08.01 | babilen | uofm49426: I would be really happy if you could answer my questions :) |
| 22:09.24 | babilen | uofm49426: And please don't be aggrieved, but are you using Dreamlinux? |
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| 22:11.04 | uofm49426 | no |
| 22:11.05 | uofm49426 | just gnome lenny |
| 22:11.53 | babilen | uofm49426: Please provide the requested information in a pastebin than ... Throw in "ls /proc/acpi/ibm/" too please |
| 22:11.58 | babilen | then! |
| 22:12.21 | uofm49426 | i stop using dream because the have no people in there xchat |
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| 22:14.19 | uofm49426 | im just trying testing lenny on the laptop just trying to find best stable with no choppy ness |
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| 22:15.16 | uofm49426 | is squess run well on i915 |
| 22:17.29 | babilen | uofm49426: Please don't /msg me -- I see your questions. Yes, squeeze supports i915 -- There are some bugs which you can see on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 22:19.06 | uofm49426 | what debian would you run on it |
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| 22:20.13 | abrotman | why not run squeeze? |
| 22:20.49 | uofm49426 | i saying witch one not so bug with intel gma |
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| 22:22.53 | uofm49426 | crashes after closing open lid xserver xorg intel |
| 22:23.14 | uofm49426 | with squeeze |
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| 22:24.09 | Nameless | i think i give up |
| 22:24.36 | babilen | !dbugs 585612 |
| 22:24.41 | dpkg | #585612:I[xserver-xorg-video-intel] xserver-xorg-video-intel: crash in debian squeeze after closing and then opening lid (upstream); Sat, 12 Jun 2010 10:54:02 UTC [] |
| 22:24.46 | babilen | uofm49426: Are you talking about that one ^^^ ? |
| 22:24.55 | uofm49426 | yeah |
| 22:25.11 | babilen | Nameless: Why is that? |
| 22:25.31 | Nameless | rEFIt does not boot |
| 22:25.35 | Nameless | (itself) |
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| 22:28.27 | Nameless | the debian installation went fine, but the bootloader seems have problems with Snow Leopard |
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| 22:29.09 | Nameless | If the rEFIt menu does not appear on the second reboot, other software on your Mac may be interfering with the Mac OS X shutdown sequence. |
| 22:29.19 | Nameless | Further details are still under investigation. |
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| 22:29.35 | babilen | Nameless: Unfortunately I have no experience with refit, recent (intel) apple hardware and snow leopard |
| 22:29.49 | uofm49426 | did anyone ever make a perfect linux intel driver |
| 22:29.50 | Nameless | :\ |
| 22:30.38 | babilen | uofm49426: You might want to read the bug report as it contains useful information. |
| 22:30.46 | deepy | Are there any intel drivers that work? |
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| 22:31.21 | Ifur | Hmm, got kickseed to work, but it doesn't work! still alot of manual things that it wants to ask, like domain name and so on... even adding user which is suposed to be taken care of by kickseed. |
| 22:31.23 | uofm49426 | you have a point there deep |
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| 22:33.10 | jelly-home | uofm49426: I've seen the driver work fine on my i915GM for a couple months in 2008 and most of 2010 |
| 22:34.17 | uofm49426 | im just trying to find a linux distro old or new that it works as good as it will ever work |
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| 22:34.20 | jelly-home | uofm49426: I never close the lid and use only the VGA output these days; LVDS output is switched off |
| 22:34.45 | jelly-home | is effectively a desktop |
| 22:35.35 | uofm49426 | i want the sweat spot os for this laptop |
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| 22:36.52 | jelly-home | uofm49426: that was lenny=testing, cca october 2008. xv worked, 3d worked, no Render bugs |
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| 22:38.02 | jelly-home | for this Thinkpad at least. It has a better video BIOS than other i915 seem to have. Native resolution available via VESA if one wanted that |
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| 22:54.28 | Nameless | babilen: thanks for everything |
| 22:54.34 | Nameless | goodnight! |
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| 23:41.20 | cipher_ | Hi i am able to receive ping responses and connect to this irc obviously. Also apt-get works; however I am unable to connect to websites and such. |
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| 23:43.32 | streuner_ | cipher_: Are you "Seven" btw? ;-) |
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| 23:44.48 | streuner_ | cipher_: that makes no sense at all, your DNS seems to work (apt-get) and you arent able to connect to google.com i.e.? |
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| 23:45.46 | themill | cipher_: is this with debian or ubuntu? |
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| 23:46.30 | cipher_ | yes |
| 23:50.59 | streuner_ | cipher_: i just think that was to my question, what does "ping -c1 google.com" say, please use paste.debian.net for paste |
| 23:50.59 | cipher_ | whois adb |
| 23:50.59 | cipher_ | crap am i still connected? |
| 23:50.59 | cipher_ | themill; semantics really :p |
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| 23:50.59 | cipher_ | ubuntu, but their support is wretched. |
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| 23:52.16 | cipher_ | streuner; i cannot post it, however it worked. |
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| 23:52.16 | streuner_ | cipher_: if you arent able to connect to paste.debian.net, just tell us the output of packets transmitted, 1 received |
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| 23:52.32 | themill | cipher_: Please keep ubuntu support questions in #ubuntu. |
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| 23:52.42 | streuner_ | cipher_: please join #ubuntu then |
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| 23:53.16 | streuner_ | cipher_: we support Debian here, please respect that |
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| 23:53.31 | cipher_ | streuner, I use 3 debian machines :p |
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| 23:53.44 | Bop | does anyone knows what this command does ? -> trap 'cd /tmp; /bin/rm -rf $tmpdir; exit $res' |
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| 23:53.55 | abrotman | Bop: man trap ? |
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| 23:54.05 | Bop | abrotman, no man avaiable |
| 23:54.10 | abrotman | or ask #bash |
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| 23:54.21 | Bop | ok |
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| 23:54.27 | themill | Bop: "help trap" |
| 23:54.36 | dvs | sounds like marriage |
| 23:54.40 | markitoxs | quick silly question, why when I do ssh user@server alsamixer i get: Error opening terminal: unknown. ? |
| 23:54.42 | cipher_ | Well if you would be kind enough to give me a moment of your time in the ubuntu channel or pm it would be very appreciated. |
| 23:55.43 | abrotman | comedian? |
| 23:55.56 | themill | markitoxs: a forced-command doesn't have a tty allocated to it unless you specifically request it. Look at the "-t" option to ssh. |
| 23:57.19 | markitoxs | themill, i see, thx that works, what do you mean by a "forced-command" |
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