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| 08:53.02 | zitter | i'm dd if=/dev/sda9 of=/media/sr0/backup bs=1024k but it terminates with dd: writing '/media/sr0/backup': File too large (it is about 10G but has copied only 4.3). Any hint on how to solve it? |
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| 08:54.46 | zitter | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:55.22 | zitter | output msg is wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda9 [...snip---] |
| 08:55.37 | Bushmills | zitter: look what disktype /dev/sda9 says |
| 08:56.17 | zitter | no disktype on fucking knoppix :((( |
| 08:56.36 | zitter | anyway, it can depends on fact that /media/sr0 is Vfat? |
| 08:57.21 | Bushmills | you may be successful piping read file to compression and redirect output of compression to storage |
| 08:57.55 | Bushmills | no, it depends on that you can fit only about 4.5 GiB on a dvd |
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| 08:59.24 | zitter | ah |
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| 09:00.29 | zitter | Bushmills, how to piping read file to compression? |
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| 09:01.01 | Bushmills | dd if=.... | gzip > output |
| 09:01.26 | zitter | thanks, I try |
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| 09:03.51 | bratner | hi! I have a perl script and i want to run it as daemon on debian. I see that initscripts use start-stop-daemon. Does start-stop-daemon does the forking for me? or should i implement the forking by myself? |
| 09:04.19 | zitter | hard drive doesn't blink... command: dd if=/dev/sda9 bs=1024k|gzip > /media/sr0/backup |
| 09:04.51 | Bushmills | still cached, i suppose |
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| 09:05.08 | zitter | (anyway, my sr0 is an external USB mass drive, if it can be useful) |
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| 09:09.20 | Prolac | hello, does anyone knows how can I see total ram usage of some particular user? |
| 09:10.08 | CasW | I'm trying to package my program, QHangman, and I managed it to make a .deb, but when I install it (it does install without a problem), it doesn't show up in the software centre or the menu (it does in Synaptic, however). What should I do to make it appear? |
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| 09:26.06 | Nrth | Prolac, as a start you could try : ps ux --user foo |
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| 09:30.36 | jelly-home | CasW: put it in a repository and configure apt to access that repository? |
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| 09:30.48 | ronny | hi |
| 09:31.00 | ronny | whats the correct way to set a different default python? |
| 09:31.02 | CasW | I don't know what you mean? |
| 09:31.12 | CasW | (@jelly-home) |
| 09:31.51 | CasW | I figured now that it's recognized as a library (I can import it in Python) |
| 09:32.46 | jelly-home | CasW: tools like synaptic read their package set from configured, available package repositories. |
| 09:33.45 | jelly-home | CasW: debian has their default repositories with debian packages mirrored all over the world, and your machine is configured to fetch the package lists from one of such mirrors. |
| 09:33.52 | Prolac | Nrth: thanks, but is that accurate? |
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| 09:34.41 | jelly-home | CasW: if you want your own package to be listed as installable, you need to a) create a local repository, and b) add that repository to the package manager configuration |
| 09:34.50 | CasW | jelly-home: No, my package is just a deb I created yesterday, it isn't in the repo's or something |
| 09:35.16 | CasW | Or am I getting it very wrong? |
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| 09:35.28 | CasW | *Excuse me for my bad use of English |
| 09:35.54 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell CasW about repository |
| 09:36.22 | jelly-home | CasW: and that's probably why you don't see it in Software Center GUI. |
| 09:36.39 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell CasW about repository howto |
| 09:38.25 | CasW | This way I can get a .deb that dóes appear in the Software Center GUI and in the menu? And I don't have to get it in the repo's? |
| 09:38.51 | jelly-home | CasW: make your own, local repo |
| 09:39.26 | CasW | Does everybody who installs my deb have to do that? |
| 09:39.31 | jelly-home | I don't know which menu you're thinking of though. |
| 09:39.46 | CasW | The 'start'-menu |
| 09:39.58 | Nrth | Prolac, probably not exactly what you want. It was intended as a starting point or an overview. I'm having another look as it was an interesting question. |
| 09:41.09 | jelly-home | CasW: oh, that probably means something is missing in your package or in your package install scripts. |
| 09:41.11 | jelly-home | !nmg |
| 09:41.11 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
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| 09:41.24 | CasW | Alright, thank you |
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| 09:41.58 | jelly-home | CasW: I don't know the details about where there menu entries are, how how the packaging glue makes the menu entries update. |
| 09:42.39 | Prolac | Nrth, thanks, please let me know if you find better solution |
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| 09:50.54 | bwd | hello. i has the classic problem with udev (sid debian), is there a patch or a way to fix things temporary until next package versions? |
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| 09:53.14 | blip2 | bwd: a classic problem? |
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| 09:54.02 | bwd | https://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/4bd29b050753cc07 |
| 09:54.08 | bwd | blip2, |
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| 09:55.38 | mkad | Hi |
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| 09:55.45 | mkad | how to run script when a specific device is pluged in ? |
| 09:55.55 | desrt | mkad: custom udev rules |
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| 09:56.25 | desrt | you can match devices by all kinds of criteria... |
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| 09:58.17 | mkad | desrt, its PCMCIA wireless card, my builtin intel card has problem with accesspoint of my neighbour (we share internet) so I would like to change my atheros card mac on intel's one whenever I plug in my PCMCIA |
| 09:58.34 | CasW | Why is my make builddeb making over and over again? |
| 09:59.06 | mkad | desrt, this means stoping network-manager, calling macchanger and starting network-manager |
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| 09:59.40 | desrt | mkad: sounds pretty random |
| 09:59.45 | desrt | why the mac cloning? |
| 10:00.49 | mkad | desrt, with intel builtin wireless card on Linux, connection is not stable, I can merly open websites then it works for 5s then again 0kbps and so on... |
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| 10:01.53 | mkad | desrt, I found this bug very old back in 2009 and it was working before, but now it does not and intel does not want to fix it for older devices like my iwlagn 4965 |
| 10:02.46 | mkad | desrt, I think I did somekind of upgrade that changed my module loading rules and something is enabled/disabled so the bug is present now |
| 10:03.08 | mkad | desrt, anyway I dont have time for lazy intel guys, atheros card works just fine |
| 10:03.55 | mkad | desrt, I know is easier to add atheros mac to AP filer, but I will do that after weeekend |
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| 10:06.09 | Jarvis | odd, i can't get netconsole to work on the recent sid build :/ (not sure if its my network driver or not) |
| 10:06.17 | sjs205 | hello all, anyone know which package contains glib-compile-schemas? seem to have installed all of the main glib packages but it doesn't seem to be there... |
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| 10:06.47 | Jarvis | i might have go go Old school and use a serial conswole |
| 10:07.00 | sjs205 | serial console rocks! |
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| 10:08.12 | Jarvis | sjs205: was there a specific file you were looking for ? |
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| 10:09.05 | sjs205 | no, I am getting an error when configuring glib2 for a target... should be able to install glib-compile-schemas on the host but can't |
| 10:09.22 | Jarvis | whats the error ? |
| 10:09.26 | sjs205 | should be part of the glib2.0-dev package but it ain't |
| 10:09.32 | Jarvis | ah |
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| 10:09.56 | Jarvis | whats the specific error ? |
| 10:10.33 | sjs205 | just getting it :) |
| 10:10.38 | Jarvis | kk |
| 10:10.53 | sjs205 | \checking for glib-compile-schemas... no |
| 10:10.53 | sjs205 | configure: error: Could not find a glib-compile-schemas in your PATH |
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| 10:11.11 | Jarvis | hmm |
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| 10:13.13 | Jarvis | interesting |
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| 10:14.00 | Jarvis | sjs205: i found what your looking for |
| 10:14.07 | Jarvis | but it doesn't exist in stable :/ |
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| 10:14.20 | Jarvis | package: libglib2.0-bin |
| 10:15.04 | Nrth | Prolac, the best I can find for memory usage for a particular user (and one that I would use) is the command 'top'. Press 'u' for the username to enter to get a realtime display. |
| 10:15.59 | Jarvis | sjs205: according to this it should exist inside libglib2.0 |
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| 10:17.22 | Jarvis | specifically libglib2.0-dev (if anything) |
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| 10:39.26 | Muisje | For some reason, since the update named (bind) is rejecting all DNS requests |
| 10:40.02 | Muisje | Apr 10 12:37:27 cartman named[4126]: client *.75.*.18#14646: query (cache) 'my-domain.gov/NS/IN' denied |
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| 10:41.24 | juniorsa | hi, a customer is asking to install zend 3.0 or later for a script he is installing, we are running debian lenny with zend 2.2 is there an easy way to provide zend 3.0 or later? |
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| 10:42.47 | bzed | juniorsa: zend was packaged for debian? |
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| 10:43.19 | juniorsa | yes it was an apt-get |
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| 10:44.11 | bzed | juniorsa: not from debian. |
| 10:44.38 | juniorsa | bzed: oh so zend is not packaged by debian |
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| 10:46.34 | sjs205 | Apologies Jarvis, on the phone... So it is only available in the development branch? |
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| 10:47.09 | mah454 | where is /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions in debian ? |
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| 10:50.26 | sjs205 | mah454, /etc/inint.d |
| 10:50.37 | sjs205 | ooops... /etc/init.d |
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| 10:59.36 | sjs205 | Jarvis, think I'm getting around it by installing glib from source on the host... fingers crossed... Cheers... |
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| 11:12.23 | mah454 | I can not find "functions" file name in /etc/init.d ! |
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| 11:12.46 | petemc | mah454: what is this functions file supposed to be for? |
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| 11:14.19 | mah454 | petemc ohsix i install IBSng in ubuntu-server . in IBSng daumon have this line ". /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions" |
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| 11:14.25 | mah454 | petemc i install IBSng in ubuntu-server . in IBSng daumon have this line ". /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions" |
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| 11:14.40 | mah454 | petemc i install IBSng in ubuntu-server . in IBSng daemon have this line ". /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions" |
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| 11:15.24 | kgoetz | isn't that a redhatism? |
| 11:15.28 | petemc | mah454: that means it wants to source that file. you should ask #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 11:15.58 | kgoetz | mah454: or the channel of ibsng, since its thier package thats broken |
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| 11:17.28 | jargon- | seems like libindicate-qt is in libdevel? but this is only available for sid and wheezy? how do i get it for squeeze? backport? |
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| 11:19.18 | kgoetz | jargon-: are you after specific files? |
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| 11:20.04 | wissem | Hello |
| 11:20.41 | wissem | I was trying to install vbox-ose on my squeeze with this kernel 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 11:21.07 | wissem | althought I have this error when installing: * No suitable module for running kernel found |
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| 11:21.17 | jargon- | i'm trying to get support for notification in choqok. http://identi.ca/conversation/68465738#notice-70767355 seems i need libindicate-qt for this and i'm running crunchbang openbox,not kde. |
| 11:21.22 | jargon- | kgoetz: ^ |
| 11:21.29 | wissem | anyone tried this before ? |
| 11:21.30 | dudz_ | did you add the virtualbox apt sources wissem ? |
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| 11:21.39 | dudz_ | *source |
| 11:22.01 | wissem | dudz_: I used the wiki page on debian.org to install it |
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| 11:22.04 | dudz_ | i forget the reason for this, but i've always been told to not use the ose version |
| 11:22.08 | gagarine | Hi! I don't find the package "solr-common" in squeez.. It was removed? |
| 11:22.09 | wissem | there was no sources to add :/ |
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| 11:22.22 | dudz_ | the ose version has no hw support or something like that |
| 11:22.32 | jargon- | dudz_: me too. something kernel-related IIRC |
| 11:22.40 | wissem | so which version should i use ? |
| 11:22.48 | jargon- | wissem: try using the guide on the vbox site |
| 11:22.59 | jargon- | wissem: that's always worked for me |
| 11:23.46 | dudz_ | i'm using kernel version 2.6.32-5-amd64 with virtualbox |
| 11:24.07 | dudz_ | i just installed it using apt-get while i hadd the virtualbox source added |
| 11:24.24 | wissem | okay jargon- , i'll download the deb package from thier site. |
| 11:25.22 | dudz_ | virtualbox-3.2 |
| 11:25.35 | dudz_ | thats the version i'm using ^ |
| 11:26.02 | dudz_ | though i don't think i've configured it properly to give it hw support, i got a fair bit of cpu usage atm, when i should only have like 5% |
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| 11:27.34 | dudz_ | actually no its only using around 8% to run xp |
| 11:27.47 | Bushmills | gagarine: only lenny and sid have it |
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| 11:28.42 | dudz_ | between 8 and 30%, hmm |
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| 11:28.56 | gagarine | Bushmills :( |
| 11:29.16 | Bushmills | patience. |
| 11:30.05 | gagarine | Bushmills I will try the sid version for this package... this server is not really critical and completely behind firewall |
| 11:30.11 | gagarine | so... |
| 11:30.20 | dudz_ | wissem, thats what i was trying to think of the name for, xen its an alternative to virtualbox if you wanted to try that one out, |
| 11:32.03 | dudz_ | i installed a xen system few weeks ago, havn't started to use it yet though, seams very light on resources though. |
| 11:32.28 | dudz_ | -1x though |
| 11:33.29 | jargon- | seems like libindicate-qt is in libdevel? but this is only available for sid and wheezy? how do i get it for squeeze? backport? |
| 11:33.35 | jargon- | i'm trying to get support for notification in choqok. http://identi.ca/conversation/68465738#notice-70767355 seems i need libindicate-qt for this and i'm running crunchbang openbox,not kde. |
| 11:33.49 | wissem | dudz_: i'm just welling to install xp to connect my phone using usb cable ! |
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| 11:33.57 | wissem | can i do that with xen ? |
| 11:34.02 | ROKO__ | hello |
| 11:34.17 | ROKO__ | i have problem with debian kernel |
| 11:34.19 | dudz_ | its probably more complecated for you to use xen if thats all you want to do wissem |
| 11:34.20 | ROKO__ | http://dpaste.org/S0a1/ |
| 11:34.21 | dudz_ | :) |
| 11:34.27 | ROKO__ | in bootlog i see that lines |
| 11:34.38 | ROKO__ | and kernel sometimes freezes |
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| 11:34.43 | dudz_ | does that program you use for the phone not work with wine ? |
| 11:34.52 | ROKO__ | and must hard restart |
| 11:35.29 | wissem | no dudz_ :( i need to install some drivers as well with the program |
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| 11:36.02 | Pihti | wissem, what cell phone are you going to install to your win¤sit |
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| 11:36.40 | wissem | Pihti: i'm trying to connect an samsaung spica |
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| 11:36.54 | wissem | dont want to reinstall windows again ! |
| 11:36.57 | dudz_ | have you tried puting it in the bin and getingg an android ? |
| 11:37.27 | Pihti | wissem, have you tried find at command line from the phone? |
| 11:37.42 | ROKO__ | any ideas ? |
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| 11:38.19 | wissem | i'm not following here, i just bought the phone just a week ago |
| 11:38.44 | Pihti | wissem: what you need to do with that phone? |
| 11:39.40 | wissem | Pihti: I want to use softwares like Odin and other to flash it |
| 11:40.04 | Pihti | wissem: then your best bet is _not_ to use the windows over the virtual system Xen |
| 11:40.17 | wissem | all tutorials I found on the net was talking how to install a vm on linux |
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| 11:40.37 | Pihti | virtualization is a thing that makes overhead to many places |
| 11:40.39 | wissem | i was looking for any other solutions on debian ? |
| 11:40.40 | dudz_ | is that a i5700 wissem ? |
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| 11:40.53 | wissem | yes dudz_ |
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| 11:41.06 | dudz_ | that has android os on it, you shouldn't be locked in using windows for it |
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| 11:41.36 | wissem | thats the problem lol |
| 11:42.59 | dudz_ | try just google howto use android phones in debian perhaps, and ignore the specific model of the phone while searching. |
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| 11:45.54 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 11:47.57 | Agiofws | i have a debian laptop with some allocated space on its hard drive ... its gone ONE primary partition ; i'd like to install Vista on the disks Unlocated space; how will i stop windows from destroying grub ? or writing over the MBR ? in other wordks i'd like to make the machine a dual boot system thank you |
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| 11:48.35 | Pihti | agiofs, how much you have as unallocated space |
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| 11:48.56 | ompaul | !grub |
| 11:48.56 | dpkg | [grub] GNU GRUB (GRand Unified Bootloader) 0.9x, aka GRUB Legacy. A powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes and understands many filesystems. To install: "aptitude install grub grub-doc" ("aptitude install grub-legacy grub-legacy-doc" for Squeeze). To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. To migrate from LILO, ask about <lilo->grub>. See also <grub errors>, <grub2>, <supergrub>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
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| 11:49.06 | ompaul | !fixmbr |
| 11:49.06 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 11:49.09 | punxos | Hi |
| 11:49.16 | ompaul | Agiofws: ^^^ that last one will sort you out |
| 11:49.35 | ompaul | Agiofws: you can do /msg dpkg to get that data again |
| 11:49.39 | Pihti | you cannot prevent windows from writing over the mbr, but you can easily fix that. |
| 11:49.40 | Agiofws | Pihti, partition magic says 27Gb is that enough for vista ? |
| 11:49.47 | Pihti | it is enough |
| 11:50.09 | ompaul | 0 is the best amount for vista (use win 7 if you have to use windows) |
| 11:50.09 | Pihti | I have around 20 G and it is enough with some software :) |
| 11:50.17 | Pihti | ompaul: yep |
| 11:50.45 | ompaul | and I hate windows and dont run it at all for the last 18 years on my own machines :_) |
| 11:50.47 | ompaul | ;-) |
| 11:51.00 | Agiofws | ompaul, i don't have win 7 |
| 11:51.05 | Agiofws | haha |
| 11:51.06 | Erbureth | hey, guys |
| 11:51.09 | Pihti | ompaul: windows is from satan, I admit you with that :) |
| 11:51.18 | Agiofws | me too i hate it |
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| 11:51.36 | Pihti | I do not use windows for anything that needs stable platform |
| 11:51.40 | Agiofws | but my mom wants to watch some webinars from wet canvas :P |
| 11:51.42 | Pihti | I use Debian for those |
| 11:51.49 | KBme | anyone know how i could open an access1 database? |
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| 11:51.55 | ompaul | is well practised in hatred towards the borg |
| 11:51.56 | Agiofws | the webinar viewer app works only in windows |
| 11:51.59 | mosno | why is there a linux-source-2.6.32 package when i could just apt-get source linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 ? |
| 11:52.26 | Agiofws | Pihti, one more ... |
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| 11:52.42 | Erbureth | I'd like to run flightgear with my old gameport joystick. I have two machines, both running Debian. One old, unable to run FG at reasonable speed, the other is a laptop without gameport. Is there a way to share a gameport joystick via network? |
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| 11:53.42 | Agiofws | can i just insert the vista cd and it will find the Unlocated space ? or will it just overwrite the linux partition ? ? do i have to format the unloacted space with partition magic or something ? |
| 11:53.54 | Agiofws | Erbureth, LOL |
| 11:53.55 | Erbureth | Google search suggested usbid, which i doubt that i can use here |
| 11:54.07 | Pihti | Agiofws: it should find it. |
| 11:54.29 | ompaul | Agiofws: we don't help with windows installs, you should just stick in the disk and see what it breaks at your own risk and ask for windows help in ##windows |
| 11:54.35 | Agiofws | i am afraid it will automagically ... install vista where ever it likes ... |
| 11:54.43 | Agiofws | :) |
| 11:54.43 | punxos | I have "Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6200" using debian wheezy with kernel 2.3.32-5.-amd64. I tried to use iwlagn + firmware-iwlwifi but I have always the same msg error "deauthenticating from xxxxxxx by local choice (reason 3)". Even I downloaded the last firmware-iwlwifi and replaced in /lib/firmware but not worked. I try to connect using WPA. ¿ Anybody can help me please ? |
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| 11:55.20 | punxos | Also I tried to disable N |
| 11:55.41 | punxos | I can up the wlan0 but no connect it. |
| 11:56.02 | Bushmills | punxos: got wpasupplicant? |
| 11:56.12 | punxos | yes |
| 11:56.24 | punxos | and wicd |
| 11:56.29 | Bushmills | set up a config file for it? |
| 11:56.34 | punxos | yes |
| 11:56.39 | Bushmills | ah, wicd should do |
| 11:56.46 | punxos | exactly |
| 11:56.52 | punxos | but I tried both |
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| 11:58.19 | Bushmills | you get that message once, or periodically? |
| 11:58.29 | punxos | the dmes is "deauthenticating from xxxxxxx by local choice (reason 3)" and the wpa_supplicat msg is "CCTRL-EVENT-TERMINATIN -signal 2" |
| 11:58.38 | punxos | periodically |
| 11:58.49 | Bushmills | possibly two processes are competing for wlan |
| 11:58.50 | punxos | each 0.5 seconds in wpa_supplicant |
| 11:58.55 | punxos | mmm |
| 11:58.58 | Agiofws | do you remember the guy that put his vista cd in the paper shredder ? |
| 11:59.20 | ompaul | punxos: not that I know anything about wireless but are their any entries in h /var/log/daemon.log |
| 11:59.20 | mosno | Agiofws: heh, i remember that vid |
| 11:59.57 | Agiofws | i have a vista cd here it says windows anytime upgrade ; does that mean i could upgrade to windows 7 for free ? |
| 12:00.05 | ompaul | Agiofws: what has that to do with debian? (just asking) |
| 12:00.22 | Agiofws | srry nothing |
| 12:00.53 | punxos | 1 sec I'm going to paste in a web the output |
| 12:00.54 | Agiofws | is there a package for linux like a front end gui for cfdisk ? |
| 12:01.11 | ompaul | gparted |
| 12:01.17 | Erbureth | Agiofws: qtparted |
| 12:01.25 | ompaul | that doo |
| 12:01.26 | ompaul | too |
| 12:01.44 | Agiofws | ok |
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| 12:02.16 | punxos | /var/log/daemon.log --> http://codepad.org/pYd5ZVTq |
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| 12:03.55 | ompaul | punxos: is there anything before that about it not being able to get a dhcp lease or anything like that? |
| 12:04.20 | ompaul | punxos: or is it just No network configuration found for the current AP |
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| 12:06.42 | punxos | more detail --> http://codepad.org/XIaVR5rx |
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| 12:07.51 | ompaul | punxos can you also please post the output of these: iwconfig ifconfig |
| 12:08.02 | punxos | yes |
| 12:08.34 | ompaul | punxos: ehhhh WiFi now disabled by radio killswitch do you have a switch on the box ? |
| 12:08.49 | punxos | yes but just for test it |
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| 12:09.33 | punxos | when I try to connect using wpa_supplicant the wifi in down, and I switch off and on for get up the wlan0 |
| 12:09.37 | punxos | iwconfig -_> http://codepad.org/McJYQG7Y |
| 12:10.07 | punxos | ifconfig --> http://codepad.org/1vFTUpUz |
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| 12:10.33 | ompaul | how far are you from tthe AP> |
| 12:10.41 | punxos | in the same room |
| 12:10.52 | punxos | 2 meters |
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| 12:11.11 | ompaul | can you try turning off the wpa and see if you can get onto it without any encryption (obviously turn it on later) |
| 12:11.51 | ompaul | back in a momoent |
| 12:11.54 | ompaul | moment even |
| 12:12.09 | punxos | yes ompaul good idea :D |
| 12:12.21 | punxos | sorry back in 15 minutes |
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| 12:15.21 | Kibble1 | is there a fix for dpkg's unpacking stage being incredibly slow? |
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| 12:16.42 | ompaul | Kibble1: that is basically down to size of package and power of the machine |
| 12:17.03 | Kibble1 | well I'm on an i7 2600k with 8gb ram.. |
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| 12:17.18 | Kibble1 | *every* unpack is slow |
| 12:18.14 | petemc | get a faster disk, something like one of the newer ssds |
| 12:19.29 | Kibble1 | that isn't a fix. it's a work around |
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| 12:21.11 | petemc | what fs are you using? |
| 12:21.16 | Kibble1 | ext4 |
| 12:21.37 | ompaul | time apt-get install xstarfish |
| 12:21.44 | ompaul | Kibble1: run that ^^ |
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| 12:22.00 | Kibble1 | k just letting this operation finish.. will sync first too |
| 12:22.27 | ompaul | sorry I have to go --- I'll pass my data to petemc |
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| 12:23.51 | petemc | Kibble1: supposedly ext4 has some issues - see bug number 588339 |
| 12:26.05 | Kibble1 | yikes |
| 12:26.05 | Erbureth | Any idea about gameport joystick over network? sshfs /dev failed... |
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| 12:28.52 | Kibble1 | supposedly this was fixed in dpkg.. |
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| 12:34.27 | Kibble1 | time apt-get install xstarfish came back with: real 0m30.425s, user 0m0.692s sys 0m0.200s |
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| 12:41.48 | n1x | hi guys, i wanna install gnome 3 on debian squeez but when i writing apt-get install gnome3-session output is package not found |
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| 12:41.52 | n1x | :P |
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| 12:43.00 | robokop | ,versions gnome3-session |
| 12:43.02 | judd | Package gnome3-session on i386 -- experimental: 2.30.2-4 |
| 12:43.03 | Erbureth | n1x: you have to install gnome-session from experimantal |
| 12:43.20 | Erbureth | .versions gnome-session |
| 12:43.29 | Erbureth | ,versions gnome-session |
| 12:43.31 | judd | Package gnome-session on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.3-2; sid: 2.30.2-3; squeeze: 2.30.2-3; wheezy: 2.30.2-3; experimental: 2.30.2-4; experimental: 2.91.93-1 |
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| 12:45.36 | n1x | judd: aptitude install -t experimental -r gnome3-session |
| 12:45.38 | n1x | ? |
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| 12:46.44 | n1x | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "gnome3-session" |
| 12:46.56 | n1x | and what? : ( |
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| 12:52.22 | WormFood | I have an internal memory card reader on my computer. How do I get Linux to recognize that I've changed the memory card, other than reaching into the case, and unplugging the usb connector, and plugging it back in? |
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| 12:53.06 | __lxuser | WormFood, umount |
| 12:53.26 | WormFood | __lxuser, how is that supposed to help? |
| 12:53.28 | __lxuser | WormFood, you're not supposed to change the card without umounting |
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| 12:53.36 | WormFood | there is no card mounted there |
| 12:53.52 | WormFood | when did I say I removed the memory card without unmounting it |
| 12:53.58 | WormFood | do you even have a clue what I'm talking about? |
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| 12:54.37 | mosno | WormFood: perhaps there is some udev event? |
| 12:54.59 | WormFood | how? |
| 12:55.00 | mosno | WormFood: the device driver would have to support the event, you'd think |
| 12:55.09 | WormFood | of course |
| 12:55.13 | WormFood | but what supports this? |
| 12:55.22 | WormFood | I can find nothing on google that helps |
| 12:55.40 | mosno | WormFood: i'm just guessing, but perhaps look into how udev works, then see if you can see an event recognised by udev |
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| 12:55.59 | WormFood | windows can handle this type of stuff just fine...I'm sure it polls the card reader, like it polls the CD drive, every few seconds (grossly inefficient) |
| 12:56.40 | __lxuser | WormFood, doesn't udisks deal with this stuff already? |
| 12:56.47 | WormFood | mosno, I don't need speculation, I need real info. I seriously doubt there is any event that is happening. I'm 99% sure it needs to be polled...and I don't want to do it automatically, I'm perfectly happy to do it manually for the few times I use it |
| 12:57.40 | __lxuser | WormFood, look into udisks then. |
| 12:57.42 | WormFood | __lxuser, I think that may be what I'm looking for. I'm checking it out now. |
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| 12:59.54 | mosno | WormFood: udisks uses udev, btw. |
| 13:00.45 | lulzyboy | how can i make an AP with debian? |
| 13:00.51 | WormFood | ok, that is fine, as long as it works. A lot of programs use udev...I'd expect whatever works to work with udev, but it does not mean that the card reader will generate an event (of course, I could be wrong, I don't know if it generates an event or not, but I'm thinking it does not) |
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| 13:04.27 | ActionParsnip | lulzyboy: http://users.utu.fi/sjsepp/hostapd/hostap.html |
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| 13:06.06 | __lxuser | the thing is, linux STILL fails to deal properly with removable media. on the Amiga 1000, you could mount a removable media _by label_, and the OS would prompt you to insert that media whenever access was required. |
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| 13:06.16 | __lxuser | made using a single floppy drive bearable |
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| 13:07.27 | omes | __lxuser: that is very posible in linux. So I'll file your complaint as a pebkac |
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| 13:09.34 | __lxuser | omes, maybe you can mount by label or UUID, but the OS does not put IO requests on hold and prompt you for that media |
| 13:09.52 | omes | __lxuser: and you actually *want* that? |
| 13:09.56 | Rienzilla | that's correct, but why on EARTH would you want that |
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| 13:11.52 | __lxuser | omes, if I am a desktop user, then yes, why not? |
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| 13:13.56 | mathbr | Hi. Iâm trying to build coreutils but it fails on one test: http://pastebin.com/uMaNVmGy |
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| 13:15.21 | omes | __lxuser: if you're feeling nostalgic then just write a wrapper for your application. to have the kernel do this is just rather silly... |
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| 13:18.51 | WormFood | __lxuser, the problem with doing it that way is how do you communicate the need to change disks to the user or the software or whatever? There was a kernel patch, I remember seeing years ago, that would allow you to have virtual CDs/DVDs in the file system, and the kernel would prompt you to enter that cd/dvd somehow (at least that was my understanding of how it worked, I never tried it, and it wasn't accepted into the official kernel) |
| 13:19.54 | WormFood | I personally make a directory with symlinks to all the files on my CD/DVD, with the directory the name, the label on the CD. That way all the symlinks get indexed by locate, and when I mount that CD/DVD, all the symlinks to it works |
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| 13:20.58 | casts | seems trivial to do what he wants with a udev rule, not that i would |
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| 13:21.01 | casts | labels suck |
| 13:21.44 | casts | s/labels suck/i have no use for them/ |
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| 13:22.03 | Bushmills | __lxuser: check (assuming you have usbmount installed) the contents of /var/run/usbmount, there are symlinks of device label to mount point of device |
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| 13:26.08 | Yucatan | i have attached a hard drive to my machine |
| 13:26.21 | Yucatan | how do i know wich /dev/sda of sdb of sdc that is? |
| 13:26.33 | Yucatan | its been a while that i used linux for hdd/partitimion management. |
| 13:28.30 | dawud | Yucatan: start with fdisk -l |
| 13:29.07 | Yucatan | yeah i already tryed that |
| 13:29.13 | Yucatan | but i only see start and and blocks |
| 13:29.20 | Yucatan | so how do i know wich one is my 250 gb disk? |
| 13:30.06 | dawud | Yucatan: do you have many 250GB attached to that box? |
| 13:30.47 | Yucatan | no one |
| 13:30.56 | Yucatan | i have a 250 gb and my os. |
| 13:31.02 | Yucatan | so nothing else |
| 13:31.06 | Yucatan | yeah a 8 gb usb stick |
| 13:31.13 | jargon- | i'm trying to backport libindicate-qt-0.2.5.91 to squeeze and get these errors: http://dpaste.com/530498/ any ideas? |
| 13:31.24 | dawud | Yucatan: then your 250GB disk is the one displayed |
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| 13:31.40 | Yucatan | but i have a whole list |
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| 13:32.05 | dawud | Yucatan: how many HDs to dou have? |
| 13:32.16 | dawud | s/dou/do you |
| 13:32.40 | dawud | s/to dou/do you , really |
| 13:32.55 | Yucatan | http://paste.debian.net/113585/ |
| 13:33.03 | Yucatan | this is the output |
| 13:33.04 | Yucatan | 2 |
| 13:33.06 | Yucatan | my os disk |
| 13:33.10 | Yucatan | and this one |
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| 13:34.17 | dawud | Yucatan: then fdisk -l shows both disks, right? and one is 250GB |
| 13:34.56 | Bushmills | Yucatan: /sys/block/.../device/model could tell you |
| 13:35.05 | LV-426 | Yucatan, try fdisk -l & match it's size |
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| 13:36.16 | Yucatan | found it thanks guys |
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| 13:37.05 | jargon- | i'm trying to backport libindicate-qt-0.2.5.91 to squeeze on openbox and get these errors: http://dpaste.com/530498/ any ideas? |
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| 13:40.38 | punxos | ompaul: I tried without security, using iwconfig and wicd and not work |
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| 13:47.56 | punxos | I just tried with 2.6.38.2 kernel and not work :( |
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| 13:50.11 | cahoot | punxos: if you unload and reload the device's module and read the last 10-20 lines of dmesg - any complaints? like missing/wrong firmware? |
| 13:51.09 | Bushmills | punxos: what wlan controller is that? |
| 13:51.45 | punxos | iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode |
| 13:53.01 | Bushmills | punxos: did you check against http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi ? |
| 13:53.16 | punxos | yes |
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| 13:53.55 | dvs | Bushmills: I thought it was iwlagn |
| 13:55.16 | punxos | yes the card is here --> http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn (PCI: 8086:422C Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6200) |
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| 13:58.12 | punxos | Bushmills: dmes is ok --> http://codepad.org/hjSJcbUM |
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| 13:59.18 | Bushmills | dvs: i think you're right |
| 13:59.34 | dvs | !beer me |
| 13:59.35 | dpkg | pours a pint of Spaten Optimator for dvs |
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| 14:01.34 | Bushmills | Spaten is considered a quite mediocre brand, if not worse |
| 14:02.22 | punxos | I installed network-managerd-kde and without security work ! |
| 14:02.30 | punxos | how is possible that ? |
| 14:02.50 | punxos | I'm going to put WPA |
| 14:03.12 | Bushmills | possible by something have setup properly before not |
| 14:03.40 | punxos | I see the installation, and just this paquet was installed |
| 14:04.01 | Bushmills | wlan black art is |
| 14:04.34 | Bushmills | strong force in one must be |
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| 14:13.07 | JohnGalt2600 | my ps2 mouse randomly stops working and I have to do a modprobe -r psmouse;modprobe psmouse to restart it... it has no problems in M$ windows but it exists in debian sid and fedora... usb mouse had no problems when it worked but now it doesnt even light up anymore so cant use it... any ideas on how to fix the ps2 mouse problem? |
| 14:13.33 | punxos | I don't understand why, but using wicd I can't connect, but it's work if I use network-manager-kde |
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| 14:17.59 | punxos | using iwconfig does not work |
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| 14:18.32 | Bushmills | JohnGalt2600: what's it doing in Squeeze? |
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| 14:21.37 | fossilet | Anyone knows how I can find the anacron daemon process? |
| 14:21.53 | cahoot | pgrep anac |
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| 14:21.55 | cahoot | ? |
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| 14:22.35 | fossilet | It quits after executed in init script. |
| 14:23.05 | fossilet | But the daily jobs are in fact executed. I am wondering what's the running daemon |
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| 14:24.00 | punxos | Bushmills: If I use kwallet I can't connect uff |
| 14:24.16 | punxos | I tried again without use kwallet and work |
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| 14:26.14 | Yucatan | hello guys i try to clone a usb stick to a hard disk |
| 14:26.22 | Yucatan | i use this command dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sda bs=512 |
| 14:26.27 | Yucatan | but if i do so nothing happens |
| 14:26.39 | Yucatan | i get an emty rule in my putty |
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| 14:27.16 | punxos | Yucatan: add count=1 |
| 14:27.21 | Yucatan | k |
| 14:27.36 | Yucatan | dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 like this? |
| 14:27.43 | punxos | yes |
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| 14:28.16 | Yucatan | output is 1+0 records in |
| 14:28.16 | Yucatan | 1+0 records out |
| 14:28.16 | Yucatan | 512 bytes (512 B) copied, 0.00174967 s, 293 kB/s |
| 14:28.16 | Yucatan | what should that mean? |
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| 14:28.32 | Yucatan | lol sorry |
| 14:29.26 | punxos | Yucatan |
| 14:29.34 | Yucatan | yeah? |
| 14:29.34 | punxos | your hd is in sda ???? |
| 14:29.41 | punxos | oh my good :D |
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| 14:29.46 | Matias_ | Hello! |
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| 14:30.09 | Yucatan | the source is /dev/sdb the destenation is /dev/sda: |
| 14:30.14 | dynamite | Hey, when i use rsync <src> <dst> will all data that is in dst and not in src be removed? |
| 14:30.15 | punxos | ah okis |
| 14:30.28 | Matias_ | can I specify that I don't want to accept any connection through SSH? even though I want to be able to use it to connect with others servers |
| 14:30.42 | punxos | Yucatan: but you want to clone all usb ? or jsut mbr ? |
| 14:30.44 | JohnGalt2600 | Bushmills, squeeze? mmm.. I just use sid... it either just stops working meaning no mouse movement at all and cant click or it acts like I'm clicking when I'm not and then stops working |
| 14:30.51 | Yucatan | everything |
| 14:30.57 | Yucatan | matias |
| 14:31.02 | Erbureth | Matias_: uninstall SSH server |
| 14:31.10 | Yucatan | for example |
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| 14:31.18 | Yucatan | only install ssh client and not server. |
| 14:31.25 | Matias_ | I just installed "ssh" but I still can connect with localhost |
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| 14:31.28 | Matias_ | ahm, ok, let me try |
| 14:31.34 | Yucatan | dynamite i used rsync before but i cant remember |
| 14:31.39 | Yucatan | i know there is a option for that |
| 14:31.58 | dynamite | i basically want the destinationfolder to be 1:1 source |
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| 14:32.03 | Yucatan | so if u enable or disable that options it will remove the data or it will leave it untouched |
| 14:32.07 | Yucatan | yeah i understand |
| 14:32.12 | Yucatan | why do u not run a small test |
| 14:32.14 | Yucatan | then u know |
| 14:32.18 | Bushmills | JohnGalt2600: maybe you are more lucky tomorrow |
| 14:32.25 | punxos | Yucatan: then try something like "dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sda" |
| 14:32.26 | Yucatan | i know its possible |
| 14:32.35 | Erbureth | Matias_: or you can bind only localhost address, you will be able to ssh locally (which might be beneficial, if you want to get root privileges with X application) |
| 14:32.50 | Yucatan | punxos if u run that command nothing happens |
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| 14:32.56 | Yucatan | an emty rule |
| 14:33.08 | Matias_ | ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused |
| 14:33.10 | Matias_ | thank you :) |
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| 14:33.24 | Yucatan | :) |
| 14:33.29 | JohnGalt2600 | it's been like this ever since I installed.... the same mouse worked a few years ago though... |
| 14:33.38 | Matias_ | I didn't notice that ssh installs both, server and client |
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| 14:33.51 | punxos | Yucatan: are you sure ? |
| 14:33.54 | Yucatan | yes |
| 14:34.02 | Yucatan | if u want u can login with ssh |
| 14:34.13 | Yucatan | and see for ur self its a test machine anyway |
| 14:34.36 | punxos | private better |
| 14:34.57 | cahoot | considering your nick it's a bit odd you use u instead of you |
| 14:35.32 | Matias_ | how is his/her nick related to "u" and "you"? lol |
| 14:36.03 | JohnGalt2600 | ucatan doesnt feel right though... u does |
| 14:36.05 | Bushmills | JohnGalt2600: well, sid tends to break |
| 14:36.25 | JohnGalt2600 | Bushmills, it's not just a sid issue... fedora has the same problem |
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| 14:36.36 | Yucatan | mt english is been a little bad |
| 14:36.42 | Bushmills | if it's still broken, it may mean that it hasn't been fixed in sid yet |
| 14:36.48 | Yucatan | i allways forget its more polied to use You instead of U |
| 14:37.28 | Bushmills | fedora may suffer from the same problem, but let the buggy whatever loose on the users |
| 14:37.51 | Bushmills | but that's just speculating. #fedora folks are surely more authoritative on that matter |
| 14:38.26 | JohnGalt2600 | so you're saying that if I install icky ubuntu I wont have this issue? haha |
| 14:38.47 | Bushmills | i can't judge that. i simply say "sid tends to break" |
| 14:39.03 | JohnGalt2600 | doubtful when other distros have it too |
| 14:39.24 | Bushmills | very likely, if they use same sources and versions |
| 14:39.47 | JohnGalt2600 | and if they all use the same then what |
| 14:39.47 | Yucatan | ubuntu just sucks |
| 14:40.01 | Yucatan | we are ubuntu and we rip debian we call it oure own os:D |
| 14:40.12 | Yucatan | and its more unstable then a chicken:D |
| 14:40.30 | Bushmills | then you experience what you do now: the same bug, manifesting in different installations |
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| 14:40.53 | Yucatan | debian is for seriously linux users only:) |
| 14:40.57 | JohnGalt2600 | on my laptop ubuntu seems to lag more than xp does... |
| 14:40.57 | xelister | Which linux is most secure, to be run as a VM's host amd64 pc? Hardened kernel etc? |
| 14:40.59 | Yucatan | and it rocks like hell |
| 14:41.20 | Yucatan | why not use esxi? |
| 14:41.28 | Bushmills | xelister: networkless linux |
| 14:41.29 | Erbureth | xelister: the one you program yourself |
| 14:41.33 | JohnGalt2600 | I thought gentoo was just for serious linux users... |
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| 14:41.37 | Yucatan | :D |
| 14:41.40 | xelister | Yucatan: propertiary. probably expensive? FOSS is more secure for me |
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| 14:41.51 | Yucatan | esxi is free.. |
| 14:41.51 | mosno | xelister: you could look into mandatory access control |
| 14:42.08 | Bushmills | Yucatan: can you compile its sources? |
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| 14:42.17 | Yucatan | from esxi no. |
| 14:42.22 | Bushmills | why not? |
| 14:42.28 | Yucatan | its free not opensrouce |
| 14:42.43 | Bushmills | how can it be free if there aren't even sources for it available? |
| 14:42.44 | xelister | mosno: is ther any debian project supporting it easly? |
| 14:42.48 | xelister | like a debian with grsecurity? |
| 14:42.57 | Yucatan | just download it and install it? |
| 14:43.01 | mosno | xelister: not sure, i've only used it in centos |
| 14:43.01 | Yucatan | its free to use |
| 14:43.14 | Yucatan | its free closed source |
| 14:43.15 | Bushmills | strange definition of free, "just download it" |
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| 14:43.52 | Yucatan | tell vmware:) |
| 14:44.02 | Bushmills | something like "internet explorer is free" or "flash is free" |
| 14:44.08 | robokop | not free, just gratis |
| 14:44.16 | Yucatan | haha |
| 14:44.18 | Yucatan | nl |
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| 14:44.34 | Yucatan | internet explorer is not free |
| 14:44.34 | Bushmills | prisoners are free, they don't pay for their stay. |
| 14:44.38 | Yucatan | because its in windows. |
| 14:44.49 | Yucatan | esxi is an operaiting system |
| 14:44.53 | Yucatan | its free closed source |
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| 14:45.15 | Bushmills | "free" and "closed" are contradiction, IMHO |
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| 14:45.30 | Yucatan | do u not understand what i mean or do u just not wanne understand? |
| 14:46.04 | Bushmills | no. i notice that you try to equal "restricted" with "free" but that doesn't help me understanding you |
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| 14:47.02 | Bushmills | windows is free too, according to your logig, as it came with your computer? |
| 14:47.06 | Bushmills | logic |
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| 14:48.09 | daemonkeeper | Anyway this discussion is off topic in #debian |
| 14:48.57 | Yucatan | thats not true because i self builed my computer |
| 14:49.03 | Yucatan | as i self builded my esxy server |
| 14:49.21 | Yucatan | and when i want windows 7 on it i need to buy it if i want esxi on my server i download and install |
| 14:49.22 | Yucatan | free |
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| 14:50.23 | eamon | Anyone know a good TV tuner that'll work with debian? |
| 14:50.26 | dvs | Yucatan: free is in "gratis" and not "libre" |
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| 14:51.40 | Yucatan | dvs i dont understand u |
| 14:51.44 | Yucatan | what do you mean. |
| 14:52.40 | dvs | Yucatan: you mean free as in "no cost" instead of "without restrictions" |
| 14:52.41 | cahoot | Yucatan: you might want to read something of mr Stallman |
| 14:52.47 | Yucatan | no cost. |
| 14:52.50 | daemonkeeper | Could you go on with this discussion in #debian-offtopic? |
| 14:53.07 | Yucatan | NO!! kidding yeah ofcrouse. |
| 14:54.20 | Yucatan | i'm in debian offtopic to continue the discussion. |
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| 14:54.48 | ActionParsnip | eamon: http://linuxhcl.com/ |
| 14:55.06 | dejan_ | I have default file in site-available I want to make new file tat will cotain only virtualHost block ti handle virtual host for specific domain www.mydomain.com |
| 14:55.15 | dejan_ | should I delete default file in sites-available? |
| 14:55.39 | dejan_ | I have ubuntu maverick distro |
| 14:55.50 | dejan_ | and apache 2.2 deployment from synaptic pacage manager |
| 14:55.50 | daemonkeeper | !ubuntu |
| 14:55.50 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 14:56.01 | Bushmills | !netinst |
| 14:56.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 14:56.01 | dejan_ | ok |
| 14:56.08 | Bushmills | ^^^ dejan_ |
| 14:56.38 | dejan_ | i am very new to linux |
| 14:56.42 | dejan_ | sry |
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| 14:57.05 | Bushmills | that's why you ended up with ubuntu |
| 14:57.22 | Yucatan | :P |
| 14:57.24 | dejan_ | :D |
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| 14:57.27 | ActionParsnip | Bushmills: that doesnt make a lot of sense |
| 14:57.27 | Yucatan | lool |
| 14:57.35 | dejan_ | um any suggestion for me? :) |
| 14:57.53 | Bushmills | dejan_: ubuntu |
| 14:57.54 | ActionParsnip | dejan_: type: /join #ubuntu |
| 14:57.55 | dejan_ | for good linux version |
| 14:58.00 | dejan_ | no |
| 14:58.09 | dejan_ | I ment for different linux version some good one :) |
| 14:58.16 | dejan_ | other then ubuntu :) |
| 14:58.22 | ActionParsnip | dejan_: if you are new to linux I'd suggest ubuntu |
| 14:58.24 | Bushmills | dejan_: just stick with ubuntu for a while |
| 14:58.29 | tvm | dejan_: depends on your definition of 'good one' |
| 14:58.34 | Yucatan | (A) |
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| 14:58.43 | dejan_ | um ok I see |
| 14:58.50 | dejan_ | I need A LOT more reading I guess :) |
| 14:58.50 | Bushmills | dejan_: once you feel comfortable with it, ask again |
| 14:58.51 | dejan_ | later.. |
| 14:58.57 | dejan_ | :) |
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| 15:00.12 | dejan_ | ok so debian has gui? |
| 15:00.32 | Yucatan | if u want so yeah |
| 15:00.36 | dejan_ | um |
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| 15:00.45 | dejan_ | it has default pre instaleld gui? |
| 15:00.45 | Yucatan | at the installation u can chose if u wanne to install gnome |
| 15:00.47 | Bushmills | no, we're all still using the 1980ies text mode consoles |
| 15:00.50 | dejan_ | like ubuntu have gnome |
| 15:00.55 | dejan_ | ok |
| 15:00.58 | Yucatan | debian has gnome to |
| 15:01.00 | dejan_ | gnome best linux gui"? |
| 15:01.02 | dejan_ | :) |
| 15:01.12 | robokop | dejan_: depends on what you want |
| 15:01.18 | dejan_ | um performance |
| 15:01.20 | Erbureth | dejan_: nope |
| 15:01.31 | dejan_ | which one is pls |
| 15:01.36 | Nikratio | After purging a package, the diversion that is has set up is still there. (1) Is this supposed to happen? (2) How do I manually get rid of it? dpkg-divert --rename --remove fails with "rename involves overwriting" |
| 15:01.43 | ddan | dejan_, whats your hardware? |
| 15:01.49 | Bushmills | dejan_: and we all have green phosphor screens |
| 15:01.51 | daemonkeeper | If you are new to Linux, just one thing to remember, there in no "best X", and you better never ask "what is the best X". This will produce nothing but flame wars in Linux :) |
| 15:02.08 | dejan_ | i see.. |
| 15:02.10 | Erbureth | dejan_: this ^ |
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| 15:02.24 | dejan_ | so gnome is pre installed on debian |
| 15:02.25 | daemonkeeper | People tend to defend their choices like religious beliefs. |
| 15:02.29 | dejan_ | or I can choose it?P |
| 15:02.37 | Erbureth | dejan_: you can choose what you want |
| 15:02.40 | dejan_ | ok |
| 15:02.40 | Bushmills | many people hate gnome and don't install it |
| 15:02.43 | daemonkeeper | You can install Gnome among other alternatives. |
| 15:02.43 | dejan_ | any other gui |
| 15:02.49 | dejan_ | what are other good guis for linux? |
| 15:02.56 | Bushmills | they say "it's too heavy, i need something lighter" |
| 15:02.56 | dejan_ | maybe for good performance |
| 15:03.04 | dejan_ | rather then graphic effects.. |
| 15:03.04 | Yucatan | why should u want a gui:D |
| 15:03.05 | Erbureth | KDE, Gnome and XFCE have their own installer options |
| 15:03.11 | daemonkeeper | Gnome is much more than a "GUI" |
| 15:03.13 | ActionParsnip | LXDE is nice and light :) |
| 15:03.17 | daemonkeeper | As is KDE and XFCE |
| 15:03.19 | dejan_ | hm |
| 15:03.21 | dejan_ | you are right |
| 15:03.21 | daemonkeeper | or LXDE |
| 15:03.22 | ddan | dejan_, just say whats your hardware so people can address you better |
| 15:03.29 | dejan_ | but for irc |
| 15:03.31 | daemonkeeper | But you see, three people, three opinions. |
| 15:03.31 | dejan_ | msn skype |
| 15:03.32 | dejan_ | :) |
| 15:03.34 | purgat0ry | guis is a matter of taste |
| 15:03.35 | dejan_ | fb browser |
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| 15:03.42 | dejan_ | ca i do them from command line? |
| 15:03.44 | ActionParsnip | dejan_: amsn and skype are both in the repos |
| 15:03.55 | dejan_ | but |
| 15:03.56 | ddan | omfg, why hes not reading? lol |
| 15:03.58 | dejan_ | surfing the et |
| 15:04.00 | dejan_ | browser? |
| 15:04.04 | dejan_ | fro command line is possible? |
| 15:04.11 | daemonkeeper | This has nothing to do with your GUI. Gnome is a desktop environment, your web protocols run on web applications |
| 15:04.12 | dejan_ | ddan |
| 15:04.12 | Erbureth | dejan_: links, elinks... |
| 15:04.13 | ActionParsnip | dejan_: sure you can use lynx2 |
| 15:04.13 | dejan_ | sec |
| 15:04.20 | purgat0ry | browser = lynx |
| 15:04.22 | purgat0ry | :D |
| 15:04.24 | dejan_ | oh |
| 15:04.26 | dejan_ | nice :) |
| 15:04.27 | dejan_ | then |
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| 15:04.30 | Erbureth | dejan_: irssi for irc |
| 15:04.31 | daemonkeeper | For command line browsing: links, IRC: irssi, and so o |
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| 15:04.33 | dejan_ | I don't need gui then |
| 15:04.36 | Erbureth | vim for text editing |
| 15:04.36 | robokop | purgat0ry: w3m is better :) |
| 15:04.36 | ActionParsnip | dejan_: ease up on the enter key dude |
| 15:04.38 | Bushmills | links2 |
| 15:04.39 | chirpychip | hi is it true that the kfreebsd version runs a linux kernel and a bsd kernel? |
| 15:04.44 | Bushmills | w3m |
| 15:04.50 | daemonkeeper | chirpychip: Yes |
| 15:04.55 | daemonkeeper | No I mean |
| 15:04.57 | ActionParsnip | dejan_: you can browse but you wont get flash |
| 15:05.03 | dejan_ | :( |
| 15:05.06 | daemonkeeper | It runs Debian/Gnu user land and a FreeBSD kernel |
| 15:05.07 | ActionParsnip | dejan_: you'll need an x server for that |
| 15:05.12 | dejan_ | no way t owtch youtube from command line ? |
| 15:05.13 | Erbureth | ActionParsnip: is it such a bad thing? |
| 15:05.23 | ActionParsnip | Erbureth: depends on requirements |
| 15:05.35 | ActionParsnip | Erbureth: if its required, then yes its bad |
| 15:05.46 | Erbureth | dejan_: you can use youtube-dl and then transfer them to another computer, where you can use any media player to play them |
| 15:05.46 | chirpychip | o and that's the only way to get zfs on a debian? |
| 15:05.49 | purgat0ry | robokop: i like lynx better :D |
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| 15:06.09 | ActionParsnip | Erbureth: flash is more than youtube |
| 15:06.12 | daemonkeeper | chirpychip: There is ZFS for Linux as fuse module |
| 15:06.17 | dejan_ | soo |
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| 15:06.27 | ddan | dejan_, this is how a text browser looks like â http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_4iah3UtHo |
| 15:06.28 | dejan_ | I can acces facebook from command line browser right? |
| 15:06.35 | Erbureth | dejan_: if the main purpose of the computer is web/ftp/... server, using gui is not encouraged |
| 15:06.37 | daemonkeeper | chirpychip: But yes, ZFS is nothing stable in Linux (in general, not specific to Debian) |
| 15:06.41 | ddan | dejan_, no |
| 15:06.54 | chirpychip | oh so what's the deal with the bsd kernel anyway ? |
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| 15:07.04 | daemonkeeper | chirpychip: Like? |
| 15:07.16 | chirpychip | dunno ? Is there a real reason for including it? |
| 15:07.16 | Erbureth | ActionParsnip: i know, flash games and ads follow :) |
| 15:07.32 | chirpychip | or it's a case of "because i can"? |
| 15:07.33 | dejan_ | um so you guys don't use gui ? |
| 15:07.35 | ddan | chirpychip, just for extend the support, i guess |
| 15:07.47 | dejan_ | ddan, i see this.. |
| 15:08.07 | daemonkeeper | chirpychip: It's the look and feel of Debian, including configuration and packages but with a FreeBSD kernel, this brings all the nifty FreeBSD features to Debian like pf, jails, ZFS ... |
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| 15:08.23 | ddan | dejan_, i suggest you to just use gnome and learn how things works on gnu\linux, cause using a terminal for a neophyte is pretty much hard |
| 15:08.25 | Erbureth | dejan_: depends on the purpose of the computer |
| 15:08.37 | Erbureth | dejan_: i actually use KDE on my workstations |
| 15:08.45 | ActionParsnip | dejan_: I use a desktop gui, yes |
| 15:08.47 | Erbureth | dejan_: but servers are strictly gui-less |
| 15:09.06 | dejan_ | nah |
| 15:09.14 | dejan_ | I want to see images go to facebook :) |
| 15:09.16 | chirpychip | i've tried the install on the new squeeze for the i386 and there's this problem where if you select anything with an lvm || encrypted, the installation of grub on the mbr doesn't work |
| 15:09.18 | daemonkeeper | Erbureth: Wrong |
| 15:09.21 | lapfrog | hey guys i'd like to modify a few lines of code in gst-plugins-bad without reinstalling everything from source. can I do that with apt somehow? |
| 15:09.43 | robokop | dejan_: iceweasel (rebranded firefox) is available |
| 15:09.49 | ddan | dejan_, you cant do that without a desktop environment (such as gnome, kde, lxde, xfce4, etc..) |
| 15:09.49 | dejan_ | dui eats ram and cpu resources for server I guess |
| 15:09.52 | chirpychip | so with the bsd kern .. u lose iptables? |
| 15:09.54 | Erbureth | daemonkeeper: my servers of course :) |
| 15:09.56 | chirpychip | procfs |
| 15:10.01 | chirpychip | and etc? |
| 15:10.14 | dejan_ | robokop that is firefox for command line without gui? |
| 15:10.32 | daemonkeeper | chirpychip: You loose everything tied to the Linux kernel (e.g. every -dkms/kernel module package, iptables, ...). On the other hand you get pf |
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| 15:10.49 | robokop | dejan_: nope, if you want images you need a gui environment |
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| 15:11.13 | daemonkeeper | robokop: Wasn't there a framebuffer links once, supporting images? |
| 15:11.17 | chirpychip | is pf any better than iptables then ? |
| 15:11.23 | dejan_ | ok |
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| 15:11.31 | robokop | dejan_: and if i see all your questions i would recommend using any of kde, gnome, xfce, lxde |
| 15:11.32 | daemonkeeper | chirpychip: I would say so. |
| 15:11.39 | dejan_ | ok thanks |
| 15:11.42 | dejan_ | alot all |
| 15:11.59 | chirpychip | how so ? |
| 15:12.09 | robokop | daemonkeeper: yes there is, i did use that once, but js support sucks, and if he wants to check his facebook he needs that too |
| 15:12.25 | dejan_ | robokop, any suggestion on the lightest of this in a way to have best performance (eat less resources) |
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| 15:12.42 | mah454 | How i can find partition size without mount it ? |
| 15:12.47 | daemonkeeper | chirpychip: Easier to use (i.e. a simpler syntax), more performance, and perhaps more features. |
| 15:12.52 | robokop | dejan_: lxde is the lightest, then xfce, not sure if gnome or kde comes third |
| 15:13.02 | dejan_ | these gui iffer alot in their performance, use of computer resources? |
| 15:13.03 | dejan_ | ok |
| 15:13.08 | chirpychip | okie, i'll buy that :) |
| 15:13.08 | dejan_ | ok thanks .. |
| 15:13.09 | ikonia | you know this an ubuntu box ? |
| 15:13.48 | daemonkeeper | robokop: Didn't say one should use it, was just curious since I was sure there was something like that once. :) |
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| 15:14.08 | daemonkeeper | chirpychip: Note kfreebsd is still a technology preview |
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| 15:14.16 | robokop | daemonkeeper: i understand, i wanted to be truly helpfull and not giving non advises to dejan_ |
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| 15:14.43 | daemonkeeper | robokop: To be hones, I doubt dejan_ will survive without GUI anyway :) |
| 15:14.47 | daemonkeeper | *honest |
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| 15:15.10 | ddan | i second that :) |
| 15:15.17 | robokop | third |
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| 15:19.16 | dejan_ | daemonkeeper, you don't use gui? |
| 15:20.33 | chirpychip | what is gui? |
| 15:20.36 | daemonkeeper | dejan_: Depends. On my notebook of course, everything else is just a pain. But on my 1500 or so root shells to servers, none runs a gUI |
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| 15:21.31 | dejan_ | for personal use gui is must as I see |
| 15:21.41 | dejan_ | I am like personal/professional use |
| 15:21.44 | dejan_ | user* |
| 15:22.28 | dejan_ | i plan to run some websites and also surf a little before websites get traffic and I deploy them to hosting companies I plan to host them from home computer |
| 15:22.41 | ikonia | maybe you should use debian then |
| 15:22.49 | ikonia | rather than ask basic ubuntu support questions in #debian |
| 15:22.56 | ikonia | knowing where and how to get support is a good start |
| 15:23.04 | ActionParsnip | dejan_: how much ram and CPU speed do you have? |
| 15:23.15 | daemonkeeper | I would say, uplink is more important. |
| 15:23.27 | ikonia | a static DNS address |
| 15:23.35 | daemonkeeper | IP you mean |
| 15:23.36 | dejan_ | yeah |
| 15:23.40 | dejan_ | uplink is my problem |
| 15:23.46 | dejan_ | rather then computer resources |
| 15:24.07 | ActionParsnip | dejan_: if you have a tonne of cpu speed and loads of ram then a desktop running won't really impact much |
| 15:24.10 | sacredchao | I am about to make a RAID-6 array with mdadm, but since they are all new drives they have empty partition tables. Is it recommended to create new empty DOS parition table and make a single first partition the entire size of the drive? |
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| 15:24.36 | ikonia | shinnok: my opinion, use a partrition that is the whole of each disk rather than the raw disk device |
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| 15:24.45 | dejan_ | I can have good connection but the ISP that provide it don't give me static IP so I plane to use static IP from another ISP and bandwith from the second one |
| 15:24.45 | sacredchao | So that my RAID members would be /dev/sdb1, /dev/sdc1, /dev/sdd1, etc. instead of just sdb, sdc, and sdd? |
| 15:24.55 | ikonia | dejan_: you can't do that |
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| 15:25.00 | daemonkeeper | dejan_: Forget your business idea then |
| 15:25.01 | dejan_ | with some routing on the router level or web server level not sure |
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| 15:25.15 | daemonkeeper | dejan_: No, you can't provide reliable service. |
| 15:25.19 | dejan_ | ActionParsnip, computer resources are ot problem I can have monster server |
| 15:25.20 | shinnok | ikonia, ^^ |
| 15:25.27 | dejan_ | but uplink is problem :S |
| 15:25.46 | ikonia | shinnok: ? |
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| 15:26.02 | shinnok | ikonia, scroll up, you last line |
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| 15:26.04 | shinnok | ikonia, :) |
| 15:26.10 | ikonia | shinnok: sorry, that was meant for sacredchao |
| 15:26.13 | shinnok | your* |
| 15:26.16 | dejan_ | ikonia, are you sure? :S |
| 15:26.27 | ikonia | dejan_: yes, |
| 15:26.37 | shinnok | ikonia, np |
| 15:26.44 | dejan_ | um |
| 15:26.55 | dejan_ | port forwarding? |
| 15:27.00 | dejan_ | at router level? |
| 15:27.06 | dejan_ | I think you are wrong on this |
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| 15:27.45 | ikonia | dejan_: then you think wrong |
| 15:27.52 | dejan_ | I get traffic to my exteral static ip web traffic gos to the router router takes it and rediret all traffic from port 80 to ip of my second conection no? |
| 15:28.01 | dejan_ | goes* |
| 15:28.07 | ikonia | dejan_: no |
| 15:28.14 | dejan_ | why this will fail tell me |
| 15:28.15 | sacredchao | ikonia: I think you are right so I am creating them |
| 15:28.19 | sacredchao | any way to make fdisk run this op on 24 drives at once? |
| 15:28.27 | ikonia | sacredchao: good call |
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| 15:30.59 | sacredchao | Interesting... I get an error with fdisk with this 3TB drive... |
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| 15:31.28 | dejan_ | ok then I won't implement my plan :) |
| 15:31.41 | sacredchao | Error: partition length of 5860528002 sectors exceeds the msdos-partition-table-imposed maximum of 4294967295 |
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| 15:38.00 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
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| 15:41.44 | Yucatan | hello guys does somebody have experience with vmware server? |
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| 15:45.30 | xand | sacredchao: yes that is bigger than an MBR partition table can be |
| 15:45.43 | xand | er, the size of the disk is too big for them |
| 15:45.45 | sacredchao | Got that... working on creating GPT in debian now |
| 15:45.53 | sacredchao | It looks like I might try GNU parted |
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| 15:46.18 | calculon | development package to build wine with alsa? |
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| 15:48.19 | calculon | libasound2-dev? |
| 15:48.24 | calculon | is that right? |
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| 15:48.39 | _pingu | wie lass ich mir anzeigen ob der rechner intel oder amd nutzt? |
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| 15:48.54 | jelly-home | !de |
| 15:48.54 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 15:49.26 | woonix | Good morning, #debian |
| 15:49.28 | daemonkeeper | In short, "cat /proc/cpuinfo" |
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| 15:57.30 | Yucatan | hello guys does somebody have experience with vmware server? |
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| 15:57.46 | MrFrood | !ask |
| 15:57.46 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 16:01.32 | Yucatan | lol |
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| 16:02.04 | daemonkeeper | There is a "lol" factoid as well |
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| 16:02.23 | ChibaPet | Hey all. Is there a dpkg equivalent to: yum provides "perl(Date::Format)" |
| 16:02.31 | ChibaPet | (or apt-cache or aptitude or whatever?) |
| 16:02.58 | daemonkeeper | ChibaPet: Maybe you should tell what you expect to learn from dpkg/apt? |
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| 16:03.15 | daemonkeeper | I doubt many people here actually know about yum |
| 16:03.18 | ChibaPet | What I'd like to learn is what package contains a certain Perl library. |
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| 16:03.56 | ChibaPet | Specifically in this case I want Tk/GraphItems.pm, but I'd like to know if there's a more general way. Or maybe I want to just feed that into apt-cache search. Hm. |
| 16:04.19 | ChibaPet | No, apt-cache search returns nothing on that. |
| 16:04.39 | daemonkeeper | Perl modules are called libfoo-perl, if you want to search a particular file use apt-file |
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| 16:06.05 | ChibaPet | Right, but I don't know what package contains TK/GraphItems or I'd just search for it. |
| 16:06.23 | ChibaPet | I don't seem to have apt-file. Checking. |
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| 16:06.29 | Iridos | what's that program called that lets you start/stop/manage kvm hosts not kvm-monitor, but something similar? |
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| 16:07.10 | daemonkeeper | ChibaPet: [arno@snowball:~]$ apt-file search CGI/Simple.pm |
| 16:07.10 | daemonkeeper | libcgi-simple-perl: /usr/share/perl5/CGI/Simple.pm. Yours in particular seems not to be available as package |
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| 16:07.53 | ChibaPet | Just installed. |
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| 16:08.17 | Iridos | virt-manager |
| 16:08.33 | daemonkeeper | [arno@snowball:~]$ apt-cache search cgi-simple |
| 16:08.33 | daemonkeeper | libcgi-simple-perl - simple CGI.pm compatible OO CGI interface <- Works as well, but does not look for files. |
| 16:08.36 | ChibaPet | Nice. That will serve. Thank you. Yeah, the package I want isn't available, but I'm more interested in knowing apt-file exists now. |
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| 16:09.06 | ChibaPet | Well, right, but I need to know to search for cgi-simple to do that. |
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| 16:09.07 | Iridos | dpkg, split my net |
| 16:09.07 | dpkg | Iridos: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 16:10.27 | Iridos | daemonkeeper, no, got it... virt-manager .. |
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| 16:11.09 | daemonkeeper | ChibaPet: Well as said, perl modules are always called the same, so if you want to see if Perl module foo::bar is available, search for libfoo-bar-perl |
| 16:11.15 | woonix | ChibaPet: You can also use http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents |
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| 16:11.30 | Iridos | but that still leaves me with the question why the windows virtual hosts I created some ages ago now only start freedos :( |
| 16:11.37 | ion_ | hello anyone there that might have the same problem and can help me out. ..? |
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| 16:11.52 | daemonkeeper | dpkg: tell ion_ about ask |
| 16:12.20 | ChibaPet | daemonkeeper, right, but collections of libraries under one package might confuse things |
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| 16:12.36 | ChibaPet | I'm trying to think of an example. |
| 16:12.55 | daemonkeeper | ChibaPet: apt-file helps in such cases |
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| 16:13.07 | ChibaPet | Yes! I'd never seen it before. Quite happy you showed it to me. |
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| 16:13.37 | ion_ | anyone that are experienced the same problem, I mean that mouse doesn't work ... |
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| 16:14.28 | ChibaPet | ion, can you restate your problem? I seem to have missed your original question. |
| 16:14.46 | woonix | ChibaPet: You didn't miss anything. He's being vague. |
| 16:14.49 | daemonkeeper | ChibaPet: He never did ... |
| 16:14.50 | superlinux | hi. I can now spam skype using python. awesome! :) |
| 16:15.16 | robokop | superlinux: spamming isn't nice |
| 16:15.29 | ion_ | ChibaPet: I did install debian squeeze and the mouse work but I can't see it. .. |
| 16:15.38 | superlinux | you may use it as a bot |
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| 16:16.09 | ChibaPet | ion, what kind of mouse? Did it work initially and then stop working? |
| 16:16.24 | ChibaPet | ion_, did you change your X configuration for any reason? |
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| 16:16.39 | ion_ | ChibaPet: if from my laptop ... |
| 16:17.56 | ion_ | ChibaPet :* from my laptop.. |
| 16:18.01 | ChibaPet | ion_, did your trackpad work when you installed Debian at first? |
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| 16:18.34 | ActionParsnip | ion_: are you using an nvidia gpu? |
| 16:19.07 | ion_ | ChibaPet: I don't think so .. |
| 16:20.18 | ion_ | ActionParsip: I don't know my laptop is quite old ...is a HP pavilion ze4900 |
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| 16:20.58 | ActionParsnip | ion_: what is the output of: lspci | grep -i vga |
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| 16:22.39 | rly | How can I make an iso from a CD that always works? |
| 16:22.51 | chirpychip | doesn't it always? |
| 16:23.10 | rly | K3b decides to create two iso images (one for each session). |
| 16:23.13 | ion_ | ActionParsnip:Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device |
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| 16:23.30 | rly | dd if=/dev/foo of=my.iso can theoretically fail. |
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| 16:23.53 | chirpychip | o i'm not familiar with the failure .. how might it fail? |
| 16:23.56 | rly | I do not really understand why such basic commands are not included in the OS. |
| 16:24.08 | petemc | dd or cp both can work |
| 16:24.22 | rly | chirpychip: for example when lots of read errors occur. |
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| 16:24.24 | chirpychip | but then it's a problem with the read right ? |
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| 16:24.34 | chirpychip | does dd reread the sections? |
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| 16:24.47 | rly | chirpychip: some are designed to fail on purpose (i.e. copy protections). |
| 16:25.00 | ActionParsnip | ion_: those are very twitchy with timings |
| 16:25.14 | chirpychip | yeah but those bits that fail are usually due to the way the software reads that section |
| 16:25.19 | ZykoticK9 | rly, you might want to try using cat like "cat /dev/cdrom >> cdrom.iso" this will only work for actual data CDs (with any protection) |
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| 16:25.33 | rly | chirpychip: now, in this instance there is nothing copy protected, but I use Linux to begin with to have something which is not limited by someone else. |
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| 16:25.39 | ion_ | ActionParship: is quite old isn't it ? |
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| 16:26.07 | ZykoticK9 | rly, sorry s/with/without/ |
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| 16:26.22 | rly | ZykoticK9: readcd was recommended in some mailinglist. |
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| 16:26.30 | chirpychip | wut? : anyhow if there are holes in the disc made as part of the copy protection, reading it with dd doesn't make the read fail |
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| 16:26.35 | ZykoticK9 | rly, to create an ISO you have lots of options |
| 16:26.38 | ion_ | ActionParship: is quite old isn't it ? |
| 16:26.40 | ActionParsnip | ion_: its a fine chip, not the best but it's not bad |
| 16:26.56 | ChibaPet | ion_, sorry I can't be of more help, but I need to go away from my computer for a time. Please be explicit about when your mouse stopped working and I'm sure you will find help here. |
| 16:26.56 | ChibaPet | And otherwise - later all! :) |
| 16:26.56 | ChibaPet | (And thanks again for the apt-file reference.) |
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| 16:26.58 | ion_ | ActionParship: so any ideia what can I do ? |
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| 16:27.14 | ActionParsnip | ion_: I've seen a PPA for ubuntu with a driver, depends what version of the intel driver you are running: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-intel-82852855gm-drivers-in-ubuntu-using-ppa.html |
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| 16:27.27 | ion_ | ChibaPet: tank you .. |
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| 16:27.46 | rly | ZykoticK9: AFAIK, no. I think calling readcd in the proper way is the only way which _always_ works. |
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| 16:27.59 | MeglaW | i have a problem, i installed xp on this laptop, and then debian via that goodbuy-windows installer |
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| 16:28.04 | MeglaW | and i wont get a dual boot menu |
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| 16:28.09 | MeglaW | i need a dual boot menu |
| 16:28.13 | ZykoticK9 | rly, nothing on earth "always" works - especially when dealing with computers ;) |
| 16:28.27 | rly | ZykoticK9: not my experience ;) |
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| 16:28.53 | ActionParsnip | ZykoticK9: hitting a platter based drive with a hammer will always destroy it |
| 16:28.55 | ActionParsnip | :) |
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| 16:29.22 | ZykoticK9 | ActionParsnip, that's true - but is that "working"? what are you doing in #debian ;) |
| 16:29.34 | gnaruag | i can't update my debian nor apt-get install is working |
| 16:29.37 | ActionParsnip | ZykoticK9: moved over to try, liking it so far |
| 16:29.40 | gnaruag | what can be the issue ? |
| 16:29.48 | ZykoticK9 | ActionParsnip, me too :) |
| 16:29.56 | ActionParsnip | ZykoticK9: seems smoother than ubuntu |
| 16:30.11 | ZykoticK9 | ActionParsnip, certainly different in many ways. |
| 16:30.25 | ZykoticK9 | ActionParsnip, but familiar too, which is nice. |
| 16:30.39 | ion_ | ActionParship: do you think you can help me out, please ? |
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| 16:31.41 | rly | Is there a way I can read dwg files? |
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| 16:33.59 | Henoxek | Does KVM virtualize all operating systems running on a host machine or guests only? (guest = machine runned via `kvm -hda disk ...`) |
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| 16:35.20 | daemonkeeper | You mean in contrast to bare metal hypervisors as Xen? |
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| 16:35.34 | ActionParsnip | rly: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=406839 |
| 16:35.41 | Henoxek | yep |
| 16:35.49 | daemonkeeper | Yep, only guests then. KVM turns the Linux kernel into a virtual machine monitor. |
| 16:36.00 | smam | i have a printer issue, have open pdf file its about 27 mb when i give print coomand computer doesnt print the page |
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| 16:36.34 | rly | ActionParsnip: the last guy there says he could not get it to work. |
| 16:36.38 | Henoxek | good thanks |
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| 16:37.29 | ActionParsnip | rly: maybe you can.... |
| 16:37.37 | rly | ActionParsnip: the link is dead too ;) |
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| 16:37.52 | rly | ActionParsnip: but I might, it just seems that it should have been packaged by now then. |
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| 16:38.24 | ZykoticK9 | ActionParsnip, ubuntuforums.org appears to be non-working for me as well. rly |
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| 16:38.58 | ActionParsnip | rly: http://lx-viewer.sourceforge.net/index.php |
| 16:39.17 | xand | gonna roast some parsnips soon :> |
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| 16:41.30 | Ghrim | Hi, where can I find the i386 stable net install iso? its a bit confusing :s |
| 16:42.24 | daemonkeeper | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst Not that hard |
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| 16:43.26 | Ghrim | isnt there something called stable? |
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| 16:43.43 | daemonkeeper | They are all for stable |
| 16:43.50 | Ghrim | okay, cool |
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| 16:46.02 | smam | sqeeuze is just realeased |
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| 16:46.12 | smam | time will tell its stable or not |
| 16:46.15 | smam | etch is stable |
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| 16:46.22 | daemonkeeper | Ehm |
| 16:46.37 | woonix | It Works For Me |
| 16:47.01 | daemonkeeper | If you mean two months by "just", and the ancestor of the ancestor of Squeeze by "stable" |
| 16:47.28 | ZykoticK9 | smam, that's not what "stable" means in terms of Debian releases. Stable means packages are kept at a "stable" (non-changing) version, not necessarily that it runs stable. |
| 16:48.10 | lapfrog | how do you know that? |
| 16:48.34 | __lxuser | you can't get any more unchanging than etch |
| 16:48.51 | daemonkeeper | __lxuser: Sure, Woody. Or Potato! |
| 16:48.56 | daemonkeeper | Or even older |
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| 16:50.19 | woonix | I would put those all in the same category of "unmaintained" |
| 16:50.32 | daemonkeeper | woonix: Not only you |
| 16:51.00 | daemonkeeper | They /are/ unmaintained and its use is discouraged. |
| 16:51.17 | woonix | Can you still get Debian 1.0 out of a deep archive somewher? |
| 16:51.29 | woonix | for historical purposes |
| 16:51.56 | daemonkeeper | There was never a 1.0 |
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| 16:52.12 | woonix | I just found the history page |
| 16:52.16 | Bushmills | http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/ |
| 16:53.07 | woonix | neat. Maybe I'll load one into a VM for fun |
| 16:54.01 | daemonkeeper | Everyting before Slink or even Potato ain't that much fun. |
| 16:55.31 | woonix | I think my first dist was Slackware around 1997 that a friend loaded for me. He worried me a bit when he was setting monitor settings for XFree86 and then ducked under the table when he started it "just in case the monitor blew up". |
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| 16:56.31 | smam | can virus a detroy monitor screen? |
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| 16:56.59 | daemonkeeper | No |
| 16:57.08 | daemonkeeper | Neither a buggy Slackware can |
| 16:57.40 | xelister | is it easy to use grsecurity on Debian? |
| 16:58.06 | daemonkeeper | judd: versions linux-patch-grsecurity2 |
| 16:58.07 | judd | Package linux-patch-grsecurity2 on i386 -- lenny: 2.1.12+2.6.26.3-200809012141-1; sid: 2.1.14+2.6.32.13-201005151340-1; squeeze: 2.1.14+2.6.32.13-201005151340-1; wheezy: 2.1.14+2.6.32.13-201005151340-1 |
| 16:58.16 | woonix | xelister: depends on which features you use. It works fine for me on my server. |
| 16:58.45 | MeglaW | guys, how do i make it dualboot |
| 16:59.08 | woonix | xelister: I've been spending a couple of days configuring the RBAC feature so I can have strict access controls on everything, but you don't have to use that feature. |
| 16:59.41 | xelister | woonix: I'm considering using some linux + grsecurity to have as-secure-as-possible host for VM guests. What do you think? Also its open question about what VM software to choose. It should be quite fast but not I prefer it be rather more secure and easier to install then to get +10% of speed |
| 17:00.15 | daemonkeeper | xelister: grsecurity won't work together with some virtualization patches |
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| 17:00.50 | smam | which processor is better AMD OR Intel |
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| 17:01.06 | daemonkeeper | Neither is (and this discussion is off topic in #debian) |
| 17:01.47 | woonix | xelister: I would try it, though I don't know if there are any special issues with VMs. |
| 17:02.05 | xelister | overall... some linux {distro} probably with grsecurity or other {hardening}, will run some {VM}. What distro/hardening/VM would you recommend? Guest systems will be desktops backends (for connecting Xservers to them) with ubuntu,debian and other linuxes mostly. |
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| 17:02.35 | daemonkeeper | You shouldn't worry about grsecurity on virtualization /host/ systems |
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| 17:02.53 | pipeline | yeah pretty pointless |
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| 17:03.08 | pipeline | the whole point of virt products is to insulate the VMs from one another :P |
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| 17:05.04 | Resilience | I'm making apt-get dist-upgrade (testing distro)... and to my surprise it says is going to remove gnome packet.. will it leave without gnome? or what? |
| 17:05.46 | daemonkeeper | gnome is a meta package |
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| 17:06.21 | Resilience | daemonkeeper, well and it mens it will remove my gnome desktop? or not? |
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| 17:06.55 | daemonkeeper | If you only about to remove the gnome package: No, you won't, as it won't contain any actual data, but depend on real packages only |
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| 17:07.13 | xelister | pipeline: VMs sometimes fail to do that |
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| 17:07.29 | Resilience | to do what? |
| 17:07.33 | xelister | pipeline: also the host itself could have some bugs even in say ssh or network stack or something like that |
| 17:07.42 | xelister | Resilience: to isolate guests from host and from eachother |
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| 17:07.56 | daemonkeeper | If it does, you should forget your hypervisor. Soonish. |
| 17:08.08 | Resilience | daemonkeeper, so can I make safely apt-get dist-upgrade without losing gnome, right? |
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| 17:08.47 | dudz_ | debian 6 installer comes with parted as an available command prompt option ? |
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| 17:08.56 | daemonkeeper | And: grsecurity is no wonder product, it won't avoid guests to break out their jails or something else you mentioned |
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| 17:09.14 | daemonkeeper | Resilience: Not sure what you are actually doing, if nothing but "gnome" is to be removed you cam |
| 17:09.16 | daemonkeeper | *can |
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| 17:09.41 | Resilience | daemonkeeper, Im doing ap-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade :) |
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| 17:10.50 | ion_ | I think I gonna move back to lenny ... |
| 17:11.05 | fbs | ion_: why? |
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| 17:11.30 | ion_ | fbs: because I'm having problemas with squeeze... |
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| 17:11.42 | ion_ | fbs: and I can't solve it .. |
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| 17:11.49 | xelister | Linux seems to have a gaping security hole: /tmp/ files are visible for everyone. How to fix that, so that user X does not see Y's files in /tmp? |
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| 17:12.12 | daemonkeeper | xelister: That's by design |
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| 17:12.20 | xelister | daemonkeeper: well it sucks |
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| 17:12.30 | xelister | checks what channel is that |
| 17:12.33 | xelister | daemonkeeper: well it sucks balls |
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| 17:12.43 | daemonkeeper | xelister: It doesn't. There is nothing security relevant in /tmp |
| 17:12.50 | ion_ | fbs: my mouse doesn't work and I tryed do fixed several times but I couldn't... |
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| 17:13.02 | fbs | ion_: hmm |
| 17:13.03 | xelister | if user X opens an PDF from his email, it lands in /tmp/foooo.pdf so that everyone can see it. That is security brain-dead |
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| 17:13.25 | daemonkeeper | /that's/ an issue in your mail read if anything |
| 17:13.27 | xelister | daemonkeeper: I ment the programs are using /tmp in idiotic way, isntead of creating /tmp/{USER} and chmod 700 it |
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| 17:13.32 | xelister | yea |
| 17:13.36 | xelister | so how to fix that |
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| 17:13.52 | woonix | TMPDIR is the canonical Unix environment variable that can be used to specify a temporary directory for scratch space. Most Unix programs will honor this setting and use its value to denote the scratch area for temporary files instead of the common default of /tmp or /var/tmp. |
| 17:13.57 | xelister | perhaps some MAC can magically fix all of this for all programs by creating a rule that under /tmp/, exempt some speciall cases, only file owner can see his file |
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| 17:14.19 | xelister | woonix: so in like .bashrc create /tmp/{$user} chmod 700 and set $TMPDIR to that? |
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| 17:14.45 | woonix | xelister: also, a proper UMASK setting will cause newly created files to have no permissions for users other than the owner |
| 17:14.58 | woonix | xelister: I was thinking something like /home/{user}/tmp |
| 17:15.16 | ion_ | fbs: do you think you can help me out ... |
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| 17:15.21 | daemonkeeper | woonix: ~/tmp or $HOME/tmp |
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| 17:15.35 | smam | what problem |
| 17:15.38 | woonix | xelister: but like I said, with a proper umask then nobody will have read permission on user-created files anyway |
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| 17:15.54 | fbs | ion_: what kind of mouse, usb/ps2/buildin ? |
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| 17:16.09 | dudz_ | what does the debian installers console have, is that bussybox ? |
| 17:16.11 | ion_ | fbs: is in my laptop ... |
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| 17:16.23 | ion_ | fbs: a bit old one... |
| 17:16.37 | daemonkeeper | dudz_: ash |
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| 17:16.47 | ion_ | fbs: hp pavilion ze4900 |
| 17:16.50 | dudz_ | thanks daemonkeeper |
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| 17:17.03 | ion_ | fbs:perhps that's the reason... |
| 17:17.21 | fbs | ion_: hmm, do you have the needed xorg files? |
| 17:17.33 | fbs | and which part doesnt work? |
| 17:17.42 | daemonkeeper | dudz_: On the running system /bin/sh is dash |
| 17:18.01 | ion_ | fbs: I think so because this all come together with the installation, am I right ? |
| 17:18.24 | fbs | ion_: depends, you should have smth like xorg-input=all |
| 17:18.32 | fbs | ehh xorg-input-all |
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| 17:19.11 | ion_ | fbs:where shall I find this ..with the man ..command ? |
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| 17:20.01 | fbs | ion_: dpkg -l | grep xorg in a terminal :) |
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| 17:21.05 | dudz_ | how do i partition a hard drive using the debian installers console ? |
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| 17:21.26 | dudz_ | i havn't got a system infrount of me to check it out |
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| 17:22.07 | fbs | dudz_: you'll get a simple partition manager |
| 17:22.23 | fbs | with suport for raid, lvm & dm crypt |
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| 17:22.34 | daemonkeeper | Not (so) simple actually, quite sophisticated |
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| 17:23.14 | fbs | but its simple to use :) |
| 17:23.25 | daemonkeeper | nods |
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| 17:24.09 | dudz_ | howdo i start the debian installer when it closes ? |
| 17:24.22 | dudz_ | if i'm on the installers command line |
| 17:24.42 | Iridos | it closes? |
| 17:24.45 | daemonkeeper | exit brings you back to the installer if you entered a shell |
| 17:24.50 | dudz_ | oh ok |
| 17:25.01 | dudz_ | but if i used CTRL+ALT+F2 etc |
| 17:25.05 | dudz_ | then i want to open the installer |
| 17:25.06 | Iridos | ah :) wondered what he meant |
| 17:25.13 | dudz_ | where it was originally opend closes |
| 17:25.20 | Iridos | dudz_, then switch back wit ctrl-alt+Fsumpthing |
| 17:25.22 | daemonkeeper | installer is on F1 I think |
| 17:25.23 | dudz_ | or the screen is unusable atleaste |
| 17:25.29 | dudz_ | yeah but that original one i can't use |
| 17:25.54 | dudz_ | its going on about some i/o errors with the drive i'm trying to use |
| 17:26.30 | dudz_ | anyway nvm thanks. |
| 17:27.43 | ion_ | fbs:I donwloaed it but it says packet doesn't match... |
| 17:27.52 | fbs | ion_: what did you do? |
| 17:28.15 | fbs | you shouldnt download anything yourself |
| 17:28.38 | ion_ | fbs: well,did download and try to instal by terminal using dpkg -i |
| 17:28.45 | fbs | ion_: dont do that |
| 17:28.55 | fbs | always use aptitude or aptget |
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| 17:29.05 | fbs | aptitude install xserver-xorg-input-all |
| 17:29.08 | ion_ | fbs:why not ? |
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| 17:30.05 | fbs | its easier to fuck up, like you just did :) |
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| 17:30.22 | ion_ | fbs:right so what shall I type them .. |
| 17:30.23 | ion_ | ? |
| 17:30.29 | fbs | you probably downloaded the wrong version |
| 17:30.30 | fbs | aptitude install xserver-xorg-input-all |
| 17:31.15 | ion_ | fbs:the system says it already installed .. |
| 17:31.16 | fbs | ion_: but there could be 1000's of other things wrong |
| 17:31.21 | fbs | ion_: ok nice :) |
| 17:31.44 | ion_ | fbs:but my mouse still not work.. |
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| 17:31.48 | Iridos | just try all of them, I can't remember on which one it runs |
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| 17:32.30 | dudz_ | howto partition debian using the debian bootcd without using the installer, just the command prompt ? |
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| 17:32.42 | dudz_ | is there even any tools available for that |
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| 17:32.56 | fbs | ion_: what kind of mouse is it, is it one from synaptics? |
| 17:33.14 | fbs | ion_: you need to find out which mouse it is |
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| 17:34.04 | ion_ | fbs: well is the standard one that come with my laptop ... |
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| 17:34.42 | fbs | ion_: yeah, but you need to find which brand it is |
| 17:34.44 | sgnut | which is the console font used in squeeze? |
| 17:34.45 | fbs | and which type |
| 17:35.15 | ion_ | fbs: so what shall I type to get this information in my terminal ? |
| 17:35.39 | fbs | ion_: i dont know tbh, maybe lspci or lsusb |
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| 17:38.19 | sgnut | anyone knows which is the console font used in squeeze when I start it (not in X)? |
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| 17:45.49 | DammitJim | i enabled spamassasin but it's not filtering any mail... is there something i need to do on exim? |
| 17:46.03 | Erbureth | hi |
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| 17:46.16 | Erbureth | is it safe to upgrade to udev 167? |
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| 17:47.21 | Iridos | DammitJim, obviously... there's different possible setups, i.e. via procmail look in /usr/share/doc/spamassassin |
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| 17:50.15 | dawud | ion_: try dmesg | grep mouse |
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| 17:50.58 | MR | hey how do i install a package from i386 if i'm using amd64? |
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| 17:51.34 | daemonkeeper | MR: You don't want to do that. |
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| 17:51.50 | ion_ | dawud: [ 0.830418]mince: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice |
| 17:51.59 | ion_ | dawud:this was the output.. |
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| 17:53.08 | ZykoticK9 | MR, if it's ONLY available for 386 you can use "dpkg -i --force-architecture FOO.deb" |
| 17:56.32 | Iridos | still probably won't work |
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| 18:01.56 | zitter | Bushmills, if you remember my previous prob (dd that doesn't copy more than 4G) I've understood that it depended by VFAT filesystem. In fact, copying in an ext3 FS the prb doesn't appear (at this momet it has copied more than 12G) |
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| 18:06.54 | jelly-home | !ops Guest20280 onjoin spam |
| 18:06.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jelly-home complains about: Guest20280 onjoin spam |
| 18:06.55 | ddan | that Guest20280 is spamming in query |
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| 18:07.38 | woonix | This channel is a lot more readable since I turned off join and quit messages a week ago. |
| 18:07.57 | Kull | All channels are. |
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| 18:08.05 | nameless` | hi |
| 18:08.06 | Kull | Ignoring parts and joins is a must on IRC |
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| 18:08.36 | nameless` | i've got trouble using cups to print with my lexmark P3150, does anyone have any experience with it ? |
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| 18:10.31 | jhutchins_lt | nameless`: None of us have ever printed from your computer to your printer. |
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| 18:11.37 | nameless` | jhutchins_lt: let me rephrase myself, when i try to print a test page from the localhost:631, the error_log shout me a fail with : "(/usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertoz600) stopped with status 127" |
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| 18:12.06 | DammitJim | I don't see anything in /usr/share/doc/spamassassin that tells me how to configure exim4 to use it |
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| 18:17.15 | jhutchins_lt | nameless`: What happens when you paste that error into google? |
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| 18:18.39 | jhutchins_lt | nameless`: What release are you using? |
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| 18:27.21 | ActionParsnip | trivial question guys. How do you pronounce "debian". I've come up with a few: de-bee-yan, dee-bee-yun, de-buy-an how do you say it?? |
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| 18:28.09 | ompaul_ | ActionParsnip: wow, try short part for debbie and ian |
| 18:28.19 | omes | ompaul_: damn, you beat me to it :P |
| 18:28.19 | ompaul_ | deb ian ... |
| 18:28.30 | ActionParsnip | ompaul_: ian as in the name, like ee-un |
| 18:28.44 | omes | ActionParsnip: no, as in the name ian |
| 18:29.04 | ompaul_ | ActionParsnip: I hope so, that was how it came to be, Debbie Ian Murdocks girlfriend ex wife etc |
| 18:29.09 | ActionParsnip | i got it, thanks guys. Like to give you guys a challenge :) |
| 18:29.15 | ompaul_ | wow |
| 18:29.20 | omes | ActionParsnip: ee-ann ;) |
| 18:29.23 | ActionParsnip | jk hehhe |
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| 18:30.00 | ActionParsnip | omes: I'm from yorkshire so it'sun from my mouth ;), I get what you mean |
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| 18:31.17 | omes | ActionParsnip: ËdÉbiÉn then ;) |
| 18:31.48 | ompaul_ | what about the pause in the middle |
| 18:31.55 | jelly-home | what pause |
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| 18:33.39 | omes | ActionParsnip: and my condolences :P |
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| 18:34.37 | ompaul_ | between deb and ian |
| 18:35.33 | omes | ompaul_: and where exactly is the pause between deb and ian in "debian"? |
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| 18:41.10 | Iridos | omes, at the point where you say "divorce" |
| 18:41.29 | daemonkeeper | haha |
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| 18:42.15 | Iridos | well, he asked! |
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| 18:45.04 | jhutchins | I've always heard it pronounced dee-bee-ann, sometimes deb-eee-ann. |
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| 18:48.04 | Iridos | jhutchins, I think you got a dee bee ann yar bonny |
| 18:48.29 | daemonkeeper | Let's call it â´, and refer to it as "TDFKAD" |
| 18:49.06 | Iridos | I'm still puzzeling why the windows kvm image now suddenly boots freedos... |
| 18:49.25 | Iridos | I mean we all always said that windows selfdestructs... but |
| 18:49.32 | Iridos | well... didn't think that was meant so literally |
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| 18:55.55 | Ghrim | How do I set a static internal ip? |
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| 18:57.47 | Ghrim | nevermind i did it |
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| 18:58.12 | bglflflflfld | http://www.kukuruku.eu Registration:) http://www.kukuruku.eu Registration:) http://www.kukuruku.eu Registration:) |
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| 19:00.40 | dimir | kukuruku? |
| 19:00.42 | dimir | WTF |
| 19:00.48 | dimir | I remember that chocolate bar. |
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| 19:01.21 | omes | dimir: haha, kuk in norwegian means cock |
| 19:01.46 | dimir | :-D |
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| 19:06.05 | agumonkey | same for kur in bulgarian |
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| 19:10.18 | nvz | I got a machine running squeeze with intel/realtek hda audio and alsamixer wont open but I can write to /dev/dsp what do I need to do to get the sound working? |
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| 19:12.34 | RichiH | is there a Makefile that simply states "look into the parent directory"? |
| 19:13.55 | nkuttler | RichiH: do you mean all files in the parent directory? |
| 19:14.20 | nvz | actually the onboard audio is not even showing up in lspci |
| 19:14.29 | nvz | hmm |
| 19:14.38 | Iridos | lsusb perhaps? |
| 19:14.44 | nvz | just verified its enabled in the bios |
| 19:16.22 | jelly-home | nvz: if the device is not present on the PCI bus, OS isn't able to do much about it |
| 19:16.56 | jelly-home | nvz: did the sound ever work on that machine? |
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| 19:21.35 | RichiH | nkuttler: just the default action in the one above |
| 19:21.54 | RichiH | i need to edit a lot in foo/bar, but the Makefile lives in foo/ |
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| 19:25.23 | simonlnu | !intel-hda |
| 19:25.31 | simonlnu | !hda-intel |
| 19:25.41 | simonlnu | ... |
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| 19:30.43 | nkuttler | RichiH: well, you can make -C .. i guess |
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| 19:32.39 | RichiH | nkuttler: well, yes |
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| 19:52.58 | Waxhead1 | In Wheezy the psql command fails with connection refused when trying to connect to a postgresql database. I have 4 postgresql processes running (writer, wal, autovacum, stats). Any tips to what I should do ? |
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| 19:54.26 | superlinux | hi. how can I list only the names of the network devices? I don't want the other info like the IP and the MAC. ONLY the names. |
| 19:54.47 | tehrabbitt | Waxhead1, not exactly related but what do you think of postgresql? I've always been interested in using it for my sites but i've always just stuck with MySQL... is it worth checking it out? |
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| 19:55.06 | Resilience | is there some link that explians how to make some live version with debian? |
| 19:56.06 | Waxhead1 | tehrabbitt: actually I don't know what I think of it yet :) I am planning to test it but so far that's not been easy for obvious reasons! (worked in squeeze like a charm, but I only got to write a php script that connected to it :) ) |
| 19:57.04 | tehrabbitt | Waxhead1, easy to connect to it from php though? |
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| 19:57.43 | omes | tehrabbitt: there's a whole book on pgsql at php.net... |
| 19:57.44 | jhutchins | superlinux: Nothing in unix tcp/ip advertises the hostnames. You must run a DNS server or use the /hosts file. |
| 19:57.46 | Waxhead1 | tehrabbitt: As simple as it could be |
| 19:58.05 | jhutchins | superlinux: Of course, you can also set up WINS over tcp/ip if you want, that gives you announcment. |
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| 19:58.35 | tehrabbitt | Waxhead1, hm, I might have to look into using it for my future projects :-D |
| 19:58.35 | Waxhead1 | superlinux: ifconfig -i |
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| 19:59.12 | Waxhead1 | tehrabbitt: well for now I've been writing my own database. I guess I can't compete with the pros tough so I was going to test out postgresql and compare it with my own. |
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| 19:59.21 | tvm | waxhead1: is there actually something listening on psql port ? |
| 19:59.40 | Waxhead1 | tvm: I have no idea. All i know is that the different postgresql processes are running |
| 19:59.44 | jhutchins | Waxhead1: ifconfig: option `-i' not recognised. |
| 20:00.06 | Waxhead1 | jhutchins: ifconfig -s :) netstat -i |
| 20:00.11 | tvm | waxhead1: try to connect there using some standard tool, ie. telnet |
| 20:00.21 | tvm | the port was 5432 iirc. |
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| 20:00.43 | Waxhead1 | tvm refused |
| 20:00.55 | tvm | hrm, it's not listening then. |
| 20:01.03 | tvm | or on the wrong interface, check the configs. |
| 20:01.33 | Waxhead1 | tvm: k - checking |
| 20:02.29 | superlinux | Waxhead1, I just don't have (-i) in my ifconfig |
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| 20:02.43 | Waxhead1 | superlinux: ifconfig -s or netstat -i |
| 20:04.47 | Waxhead1 | tvm: I can't find anything that look wrong in the config files :( |
| 20:04.53 | superlinux | well it gives me more info. I just want the list of the names only as in: eth1 wlan0 eth3 ... etc. is there a away? or I must use some scripting? |
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| 20:05.58 | tehrabbitt | Waxhead1, hm, well I know I used Oracle SQL back in college when takning an SQL class and I know postgre is very similar to Oracle SQL compared to MySQL in syntax and features |
| 20:05.58 | Waxhead1 | superlinux: ls /sys/class/net |
| 20:07.09 | superlinux | ok cool |
| 20:07.26 | Waxhead1 | superlinux: thank you for asking a question I could answer - thus making me look smart :D |
| 20:07.28 | tvm | waxhead1: too bad. |
| 20:07.51 | Waxhead1 | tvm: Yup! :S |
| 20:08.16 | tvm | both oracle and postgres are quite robust, mysql is giving me fails every time i have to deal with it. |
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| 20:09.01 | tvm | good thing is that people are usually smart and don't run serious stuff on mysql, at least where i work. :| |
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| 20:09.28 | tvm | waxhead1: tried to connect only over the loopback or did you try network interface too ? |
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| 20:10.12 | mycae | Hello. Does anyone know a good tool for breaking a patch up into multiple patches by dir? |
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| 20:10.23 | mycae | ideally preserving the timestamps on the hunks |
| 20:10.37 | Waxhead1 | tvm: thank you for asking a question that make me look dumb ... not sure I understand what you mean. I tried to telnet localy, my php script (that used to work), and my using the psql command |
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| 20:11.41 | tvm | waxhead1: heh, you're trying to connect using psql on the very same machine that runs the db ? |
| 20:11.51 | Waxhead1 | tvm: Yes |
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| 20:12.41 | tvm | and you tried telnet localhost 5432 ? |
| 20:12.48 | Waxhead1 | tvm: Yapp! |
| 20:13.00 | Waxhead1 | (connection refused) |
| 20:13.33 | tvm | check your pg_hba.conf i guess. |
| 20:13.42 | tvm | that or firewall. |
| 20:13.48 | tvm | hmm. |
| 20:13.57 | Waxhead1 | tvm I now try to 'do a windows' e.g. purge postgresql and reinstall it |
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| 20:15.06 | tvm | hmm, that might help, but i'd consider that as a last 'solution' ;] |
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| 20:19.13 | El_Caballero | guys, is not a way to install from a .deb file, AND that someone solves the dependencies of it? |
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| 20:22.55 | abrotman | El_Caballero: dpkg -i foo.deb; aptitude install foo |
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| 20:23.38 | El_Caballero | abrotman: dpkg does not solve depedencies, and the .deb file is not in the official repository :-/ |
| 20:23.47 | abrotman | i'm aware of that ... |
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| 20:25.15 | daemonkeeper | Oh, El_Caballero cross posts ... |
| 20:25.39 | abrotman | i gave him the correct answer |
| 20:25.46 | abrotman | erm .. almost |
| 20:26.03 | Waxhead1 | tvm - well the windows method did not work either |
| 20:26.23 | daemonkeeper | abrotman: I did as well, mostly the same as you :) |
| 20:27.14 | El_Caballero | ok, let me check |
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| 20:29.13 | ws2k3 | i have installed vmware player with the bundle package fromt he vmware website but how should i run it? |
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| 20:35.04 | El_Caballero | abrotman: You were right!! |
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| 20:35.29 | beardy | Something to celebrate! |
| 20:36.43 | beardy | abrotman is almost always right. |
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| 20:37.45 | abrotman | sorry :( |
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| 20:38.14 | lschmidt | I have a fresh installation of testing (wheezy) amd64, I got X11 installed and the wm of my choice (awesome), when do a startx it starts X and then just freezes (neither awesome nor fluxbox worked), I can't switch to any tty, my Xorg.0.log has no data, /var/log/messages shows nothing relevant and the only way to fix it is to forcefully reboot it. What have I missed ? (intel graphics if that matters) |
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| 20:39.11 | beardy | lschmidt: Sounds like something is up with your graphics card/chipset. |
| 20:39.37 | abrotman | lschmidt: did you install the xorg package also ? |
| 20:39.44 | lschmidt | abrotman: i did |
| 20:39.52 | beardy | lschmidt: Xorg.0.log has no data, at all? |
| 20:39.54 | abrotman | xorg, not xserver-xorg ? |
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| 20:41.39 | lschmidt | beardy: i was wrong there, needed to su -c less Xorg.log |
| 20:41.59 | lschmidt | it just said no data when i did "$ less Xorg.0.log" |
| 20:42.46 | beardy | Should have said permission denied, which it did, but less started anyway, so it got scrolled away. But ok, study it. |
| 20:42.56 | abrotman | did you look in $HOME for an error log? |
| 20:43.06 | abrotman | assuming you ran startx as a user, not root |
| 20:43.14 | lschmidt | abrotman: i did, i could not find a .xsession-errors |
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| 20:50.58 | CNerone | hi all |
| 20:51.45 | CNerone | I have a problem: using xvidcap |
| 20:52.00 | CNerone | I get "unable to open FIFO for audio file" |
| 20:52.03 | El_Caballero | lschmidt: do you have something in the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 20:52.03 | CNerone | what about? |
| 20:52.26 | El_Caballero | lschmidt: if so.. move it and try startx again. |
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| 20:55.12 | Guest42140 | how fo i run apache2 system start? |
| 20:55.52 | El_Caballero | Guest42140: rc-update apache2 defaults . that will at it to the boot. |
| 20:56.19 | El_Caballero | Guest42140: /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 20:56.31 | DeeTah_ | any gnome3 packages around yet? |
| 20:56.31 | El_Caballero | Guest42140: that will start it manually |
| 20:56.41 | abrotman | DeeTah_: packages.debian.org/gnome3 .. see any? |
| 20:56.57 | DeeTah_ | abrotman: well, might have been unofficial ones or smth |
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| 20:58.31 | El_Caballero | errigour: However, after install apache2 runs after boot |
| 20:58.46 | abrotman | assuming he installed it via Debian packages |
| 20:58.55 | El_Caballero | abrotman: exactly |
| 20:59.14 | lschmidt | El_Caballero: no xorg.conf in /etc/X11/ |
| 20:59.38 | lschmidt | I have gone soft on my xorg-x11 skills :& |
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| 21:00.53 | DeeTah_ | is sid any runnable? |
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| 21:01.30 | El_Caballero | lschmidt: hmmm, maybe you can run something like it "startx > myfile". Reboot, and see "myfile". It may give the key to solve the problem. |
| 21:01.55 | El_Caballero | "startx > myfile 2>&1" is better |
| 21:02.08 | thm_ | hi, I want to locally modify a package. is there a recipe/doc somewhere how to do that with git, so I can rebase anytime debian itself ships an updated version? |
| 21:02.11 | lschmidt | thanks for the input El_Caballero, abrotman and beardy. I have to catch some sleep (I'll try what you suggeste El_Caballero) |
| 21:02.29 | abrotman | DeeTah_: if you have to ask, then no |
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| 21:03.38 | DeeTah_ | abrotman: i enjoy your cynicism. :p |
| 21:03.47 | abrotman | it wasn't |
| 21:04.09 | DeeTah_ | i'm just wondering how screwed up sid is |
| 21:04.27 | DeeTah_ | when debootstrapped and just apt-get install'd kde |
| 21:04.28 | abrotman | ask the people who don't have a working X or booting machine? |
| 21:04.36 | El_Caballero | abrotman: Thank for you help about package. I am testing it right now. |
| 21:04.45 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 21:04.50 | DeeTah_ | i could work around booting problems, but I have little knowledge of X |
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| 21:05.32 | abrotman | DeeTah_: you could? you don't even know the nature of the problem i was referring to |
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| 21:06.59 | beardy | !sunday |
| 21:06.59 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 21:07.12 | DeeTah_ | haha :p |
| 21:07.43 | DeeTah_ | abrotman: you're kinda right. i just assumed it might get easier as I've already been through quite a few booting problems |
| 21:08.08 | rudi_s | Hi. I'm looking for an encrypted remote filesystem. I know encfs but I'd prefer a system which doesn't leak meta information. Any ideas? Thanks. |
| 21:08.21 | beardy | No really. Don't run sid and expect answers to questions like that. |
| 21:08.38 | DeeTah_ | mkay |
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| 21:16.20 | Ghrim | how come /etc/init.d/networking restart doesnt actually do anything? |
| 21:16.26 | Ghrim | is there another command to restart the networking? |
| 21:16.36 | El_Caballero | eth0 ? |
| 21:16.44 | El_Caballero | /etc/init.d/eth0 ? |
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| 21:17.00 | Ghrim | no such file or directory :s |
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| 21:18.39 | Ghrim | sorted, its ifdown eth0 then ifup eth0 |
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| 21:19.15 | Ghrim | but now ive set a static internal ip it cant connect to the internet :( |
| 21:19.25 | jhutchins_lt | Ghrim: network management is moving away from a service that root starts at boot time and more toward user-managed connections that can roam from net to net. |
| 21:19.52 | Ghrim | oh |
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| 21:20.24 | Ghrim | how do i set up my server so it can connect to the internet then? with a static internal ip |
| 21:20.24 | jhutchins_lt | Is networkmanager running? |
| 21:20.35 | Ghrim | if i set it up dchp it works fine |
| 21:20.39 | jhutchins_lt | !interfaces |
| 21:20.39 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
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| 21:21.11 | jhutchins_lt | Basically you want something like auto eth0 |
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| 21:22.01 | jhutchins_lt | iface eth0 inet static |
| 21:22.04 | Ghrim | hmm doesnt look like its running |
| 21:22.15 | jhutchins_lt | address... |
| 21:22.17 | jhutchins_lt | netmask... |
| 21:22.20 | jhutchins_lt | gateway... |
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| 21:24.02 | Ghrim | my interface file has iface th0 inet static, address 192.168.1.100, netmask 255.255.255.0, network 192.168.1.0, broadcast 192.168.1.255, gateway 192.168.1.254 |
| 21:24.10 | Ghrim | where commas are new lines |
| 21:24.14 | jhutchins_lt | Ghrim: Where are you getting the dhcp address from |
| 21:24.53 | Ghrim | well those lines were just iface eth0 inet dhcp before |
| 21:25.00 | jhutchins_lt | Other than a missing e, that looks ok. |
| 21:25.19 | Ghrim | oh yeah, that was just a typo on irc |
| 21:25.25 | jhutchins_lt | WHat address does it get. |
| 21:25.32 | Ghrim | how do i find that out? |
| 21:25.41 | Ghrim | if i do ifconfig it says it is 192.168.1.100 if thats what you mean |
| 21:25.53 | Ghrim | but it cant connect to the internet now |
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| 21:27.01 | Ghrim | could it be that my router cant work with static ips? |
| 21:27.02 | jhutchins_lt | Hm. Does route show the correct gateway? |
| 21:27.13 | jhutchins_lt | I don't have network or broadcast entries. |
| 21:27.17 | Ghrim | do i have to switch the dchp completely off on the router? |
| 21:27.24 | jhutchins_lt | Ghrim: Shouldn't. |
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| 21:27.36 | jhutchins_lt | Unless it's given 100 to some other device. |
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| 21:28.02 | Ghrim | theres 2 lines |
| 21:28.06 | Ghrim | bottom says 192.168.1.254 |
| 21:29.28 | jhutchins_lt | Sounds about right. That's the output of route, right? |
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| 21:31.49 | Ghrim_ | for some reason my eth0 isnt up anymore.... |
| 21:32.30 | Ghrim_ | okay now it is |
| 21:33.18 | Ghrim_ | fixed it |
| 21:33.24 | Ghrim_ | gateway should have been 192.168.1.1 |
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| 21:33.26 | Ghrim_ | im a plonker |
| 21:33.36 | jhutchins_lt | Happens to all of us. |
| 21:33.50 | Ghrim_ | woop woop, happy now |
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| 21:42.58 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, is there any package that i can install that can detect any support wifi cards that you just plug in like in ubuntu? |
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| 21:43.57 | phogg | paranoidphreak: If you have appropriate drivers for them, including necessary firmware, then it should be the same. I think, not knowing whether ubuntu does anything special otherwise. |
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| 21:45.29 | Rotarium | When I fetch the kernel sources, needed for a driver installation, they need to be configured. Can I get the config of the allready compiled kernel I'm on? I installed this system from the net boot CD. |
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| 21:48.56 | ZitZ | Rotarium, yes, i believe it should be in /boot |
| 21:49.14 | Rotarium | ZitZ: Thanks, I'll have a look |
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| 21:49.46 | Rotarium | ZitZ: I've got a file called config-(version) in there |
| 21:50.19 | ZitZ | yep, that's it |
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| 21:51.11 | ZitZ | when you start up a config program it can use a previous config file for things that are the same between the two kernel versions |
| 21:51.33 | Rotarium | ZitZ: It's even the same version so it should be simple |
| 21:52.05 | ZitZ | oh, then absolutely |
| 21:52.29 | errigour | danget I lost the command that sets something at startup |
| 21:52.37 | errigour | could someone run that back |
| 21:52.46 | errigour | it was rcupdate or something |
| 21:53.27 | Rotarium | ZitZ: I'll have to read the doc properly but now I understand the basics. I suspect that make oldconfig is what I'm looking for. Thanks |
| 21:53.45 | ZitZ | yep |
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| 21:56.15 | Rotarium | This is nice. Finally it's getting easier ^^ |
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| 22:08.37 | LinuxGuy2009 | When I try to change my user image in KDE 4.4.5 that is in system-settings and about me, I get the error "Your administrator has disallowed changing your image." I have ran dolphin with root privs and made sure I was the owner of my entire home folder, and still I get this error. I even tried deleting everything in my home folder and rebooting and trying that so it would start with all fresh settings and still doesnt work. Is this a know |
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| 22:11.31 | phogg | LinuxGuy2009: probably it's a global setting, so running dolphin as a user you're still not allowed because you're editing a user's settings (root's) and not the global location. But that's just a guess |
| 22:11.41 | phogg | LinuxGuy2009: doens't KDE have some kind of policy config tool? |
| 22:12.21 | LinuxGuy2009 | phogg: Not sure. This is my first debian release to use KDE. Still learning it as I go. |
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| 22:12.40 | phogg | LinuxGuy2009: well I know they did in 2.x, but I have not looked at it since |
| 22:13.22 | LinuxGuy2009 | phogg: You mean like in gnome where they list all the stuff your allowed to do on the system like use scanners, printers, etc? |
| 22:13.37 | phogg | LinuxGuy2009: something like that |
| 22:13.49 | LinuxGuy2009 | phogg: Ok Ill look for that and see. |
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| 22:20.26 | LinuxGuy2009 | Would anyone care to share what app is for changing KDE user policy? |
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| 22:22.52 | Rotarium | Great.. Now I got another segfault >.< |
| 22:23.01 | Erbureth | LinuxGuy2009: i have seen something in SystemSetting |
| 22:23.10 | Erbureth | there should be PolicyKit admin tool |
| 22:23.22 | ZitZ | Rotarium, what are you trying to do? |
| 22:23.52 | Rotarium | ZitZ: I did make mrproper and make oldconfig first |
| 22:24.13 | Rotarium | ZitZ: Then the nvidia installation script said that version.h was missing because the source was not configured |
| 22:24.25 | Rotarium | ZitZ: So I took a shot in the dark and ran make with out parameters |
| 22:24.36 | Rotarium | ZitZ: And after a long while CC encountered a segfault |
| 22:24.48 | ZitZ | when trying to build nvidia? |
| 22:25.07 | Rotarium | ZitZ: I've got a few from dpkg before and it turned out to be multiple files on the same fs-nodes so it worked after a fsck |
| 22:25.34 | Rotarium | ZitZ: Nope, that was the kernel source, I thought that it maybe would put the version file in there then, as I said, shot in the dark ^^ |
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| 22:26.15 | ZitZ | it's been a while since i've built that stuff on my own, i've been using liquorix kernels, do you mind telling me which kernel version you are trying to build and why? |
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| 22:26.49 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ah I found a forum post that fixed it for me. Turns out the user policy settings are in the Login Manager of all places. Not sure if thats a logical name for it, but ok cool with me. Problem fixed. Learn something new everyday. |
| 22:28.12 | ZitZ | the login manager has to setup all the policy settings on login |
| 22:28.15 | Rotarium | Linux 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 22:28.24 | Rotarium | I didn't really want to build the sources |
| 22:28.43 | Rotarium | I just wanted to make them properly configured for the nvidia drivers installation script |
| 22:28.47 | LinuxGuy2009 | ZitZ: Ok yeah thats sounds logical I guess. Thats cool. |
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| 22:29.21 | ZitZ | Rotarium, what's wrong with using the nvidia packages from squeeze? |
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| 22:29.55 | Rotarium | ZitZ: I can't answer that. The reason for using the driver I found now is that it was the only one I knew about. Found it at nvidias site |
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| 22:30.36 | ZitZ | oh, so do know the "debian way" for installing nvidia drivers? |
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| 22:30.57 | LinuxGuy2009 | I was also wanting to find out if there is a set release schedule for update CD/DVD images for offline machines? Is it like once a month or when the number of new updates reaches a certain number or what exactly triggers a new update image to be made? |
| 22:31.00 | phogg | LinuxGuy2009: ah, interesting |
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| 22:31.31 | Kull | ZitZ: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 22:31.33 | Rotarium | ZitZ: No, unless it's the package described as NV driver |
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| 22:32.06 | ZitZ | Kull, yeah, isn't there an irc command in this channel i can use to explain it? |
| 22:32.30 | Kull | ZitZ: The link has more than enough infor for you. |
| 22:32.38 | Kull | Info* |
| 22:32.39 | Erbureth | !tell Rotarium about nvidia |
| 22:32.46 | Rotarium | Erbureth: Thanks |
| 22:32.59 | ZitZ | Rotarium, you're supposed to use the "debian way" my guess is that the version you downloaded from the nvidia website is too new for the kernel you are using |
| 22:33.13 | ZitZ | Erbureth: thanks Erbureth |
| 22:33.26 | ZitZ | thanks Erbureth |
| 22:33.33 | ZitZ | lol, i know how to do that |
| 22:33.49 | Erbureth | lol, no problem |
| 22:34.35 | Rotarium | ZitZ, Erbureth: Thanks for the help =) |
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| 22:37.32 | Rotarium | Damn it. Got segfault in aptitude now instead |
| 22:38.06 | ZitZ1 | what does it say? |
| 22:38.44 | Sayke | Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111Ïðèâåò!!!!!!!111111ìì |
| 22:39.02 | Rotarium | I think that the db for the packages get corrupted on this drive |
| 22:39.14 | Rotarium | Cause it will find loads of syntax errors in the db |
| 22:39.21 | Rotarium | Then after a fsck it will work fine |
| 22:39.24 | Rotarium | For a while... |
| 22:40.01 | ZitZ1 | ext4? |
| 22:40.21 | Rotarium | ext3 |
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| 22:41.28 | Rotarium | I'm running this from a flash drive since I got this comp for free with no HDD |
| 22:41.39 | ZitZ1 | ah |
| 22:41.50 | ZitZ1 | space issues? |
| 22:41.58 | Rotarium | It's 13G free |
| 22:42.02 | Rotarium | So it shouldn't be that |
| 22:42.13 | Rotarium | I'm running with no swap, maybe that can cause problems |
| 22:42.22 | Rotarium | But the memory usage is almost 0 |
| 22:42.27 | Rotarium | RAM memory that is |
| 22:42.39 | ZitZ1 | nah, i'm running without swap right now |
| 22:43.08 | ZitZ1 | i'm trying to think what can cause those issues when using flash memory, but i have no experience there |
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| 22:43.25 | Rotarium | When I ran fsck it didn't find any bad blocks |
| 22:43.31 | Rotarium | Only multiple files refering to the same node |
| 22:43.36 | Rotarium | So it duplicated those ones |
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| 22:44.14 | Rotarium | But it's really a bottle neck. Loading KDE takes a while, was faster from a live CD |
| 22:44.17 | ZitZ1 | i know ext4 isn't optimized for flash memory, i know linux is getting better at using ssds, i think btrfs is supposed to be good for it, maybe someone else here knows more about that |
| 22:44.21 | RichiH | run badblocks on it |
| 22:44.32 | abrotman | runs badblocks on RichiH |
| 22:44.35 | RichiH | badblocks -swo out.log if you can afford to lose data |
| 22:44.42 | RichiH | -sno out.log if not |
| 22:45.12 | RichiH | badblocks -swo disk_id.$(date +%F--%H-%M-%S-%Z).badblocks /dev/sdc is what i am using |
| 22:45.23 | Rotarium | RichiH: I guess that if I lose data I need to reinstall everything. I don't have any user files on this comp yet |
| 22:45.54 | RichiH | Rotarium: the correct way to test a flaky system is to |
| 22:46.29 | RichiH | 1) get grml 2) run memtest64+ 3) boot grml to ram 4) run cpuburn or similar for a few hours 4) run badblocks |
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| 22:46.56 | RichiH | also, smartctl -t long |
| 22:47.16 | RichiH | but that is blocked by badblocks so you might just as well run the after each other |
| 22:47.35 | RichiH | though starting smartctl -t long before you start badblocks does not hurt, either |
| 22:47.50 | Rotarium | RichiH: grml, is that some live dist for testing things like that? |
| 22:48.10 | RichiH | Rotarium: grml is the swiss army rocket launcher of system recovery |
| 22:49.38 | streuner | !grml |
| 22:49.38 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live CD) originally <based on> Knoppix, now Debian. It includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of text tools and system administrators. It can be used as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ #grml on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:49.53 | Rotarium | Sounds great |
| 22:50.13 | Rotarium | I just need to write this stuff down first |
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| 22:51.25 | RichiH | Rotarium: sure; have fun |
| 22:51.31 | RichiH | well, "fun" |
| 22:51.33 | Rotarium | Hehe |
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| 22:52.03 | Rotarium | It will most probably not be fun. I just wish I could get this system to work well enough for displaying videos when I'm on the train tomorrow |
| 22:52.37 | streuner | be glad you dont run OSX :-P |
| 22:53.13 | streuner | even you have divx installed, its not able to show you mpeg-4 videos :-) |
| 22:53.18 | RichiH | put mplayer debs onto the usb stick along with grml and install mplayer on grml |
| 22:53.34 | RichiH | that way, you can watch video |
| 22:53.40 | RichiH | assuming ram & cpu are fine |
| 22:53.57 | streuner | what kind of hardware? |
| 22:53.57 | RichiH | and as the binaries run from your thumb drive, they will work, too |
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| 22:55.48 | Rotarium | I'm on a laptop called Znote 6615WD |
| 22:56.15 | streuner | hm |
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| 22:59.48 | Rotarium | It's got a dual core T7200 CPU from Intel, 1 GB RAM and Nvidia Go 7600 graphics adapter |
| 23:00.00 | Rotarium | I got it for free so I'm happy =) |
| 23:00.31 | Rotarium | And I got even happier when my mobile broad band worked like a charm on the first try |
| 23:00.31 | streuner | Dual Core and only 1GB, it should be an older hardware? |
| 23:00.46 | Rotarium | Think it's 3 years old or so |
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| 23:03.20 | homie | why does file cedet/speedbar/sb-html.el report html as file type for that file whilst it is an .el file written in lisp ? |
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| 23:03.37 | homie | i even checked that it is not html |
| 23:03.45 | homie | wtf |
| 23:04.03 | homie | not the only file reported that way |
| 23:04.58 | homie | i even reinstalled coreutils, thought something is buggy maybe with mine... |
| 23:05.19 | homie | it seems it is alltogether buggy or something in my system is gone wrong... |
| 23:05.52 | homie | well maybe not buggy but not accurate either... |
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| 23:08.40 | homie | and it seems cp has glob disabled sometimes... |
| 23:09.30 | homie | or it can't copy dirs when i use local folder names like cp ../../blah /blah/blah |
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| 23:12.31 | homie | any others experiencing similar things ? |
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| 23:14.49 | varlon | hi, I have a crash apt-get/aptitude with sigfault. In /var/log/messages have a report about "...error 4 in libapt-pkg.so.4.10.1". In /var/cache/apt/ I remove all *.bin files, but problem has not gone. |
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| 23:15.24 | dynamite | Hey all! im trying to filter those shorewall messages: http://pastebin.com/3Jegfk9L they should not appear in syslog |
| 23:15.29 | varlon | what can I do or where I must search solution> |
| 23:15.30 | varlon | ? |
| 23:15.38 | dynamite | But i cant establish a suitable solution |
| 23:15.39 | varlon | in google only? |
| 23:15.42 | homie | varlon: do you have the lib ? |
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| 23:16.34 | homie | varlon: if you didn't retain the lib somewhere, then you have to reinstall some lib i think |
| 23:16.47 | varlon | I have /usr/lib/libapt-pkg.so |
| 23:17.08 | homie | varlon: then make a link to it with the exact name above |
| 23:17.16 | homie | varlon: in the same location |
| 23:17.21 | varlon | ok, I will |
| 23:18.21 | varlon | In fact I have /usr/lib/libapt-pkg.so.4.10.1 too |
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| 23:18.43 | homie | dynamite: you can turn off low level messages via your /etc/sysctl.conf, apart from configuring syslog itself... |
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| 23:19.04 | dynamite | its rsyslog |
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| 23:19.21 | homie | varlon: so it is not a lib issue but maybe a path issue ? did you do a source /etc/profile again before doing anything else ? |
| 23:19.38 | wobblyonions | anyone here using a LSI MegaRaid SAS 9260 RAID Controller that cares to assist with getting the drivers working? |
| 23:20.04 | homie | dynamite: i have that too and i don't have the shorewall messages neither in my console nor in my rsylog outputs |
| 23:20.16 | dynamite | oh |
| 23:20.20 | homie | dynamite: did you configure shorewall to log to some file before ? |
| 23:20.28 | dynamite | errr |
| 23:20.29 | dynamite | sec |
| 23:20.43 | homie | dynamite: you can do that too, maybe the messages will ceise then put into rsyslog |
| 23:20.53 | dynamite | yea - shorewall.conf -> LOGFILE=/var/log/shorewall.log |
| 23:21.02 | dynamite | care to share you settings? |
| 23:21.16 | varlon | homie, what you mean? I have a few variables here MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME and JAVA_HOME, but now I can remove theme |
| 23:21.20 | homie | well nothing in special customized for logging actually |
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| 23:21.36 | ActionParsnip | wobblyonions: seems the manufacturers make drivers |
| 23:21.42 | dynamite | homie: http://pastebin.com/syyCttbD |
| 23:21.45 | varlon | this variables here about a 4 years |
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| 23:21.54 | homie | varlon: i meant, did you alter your $PATH variable in the meantime or some app that did that ? |
| 23:21.54 | dynamite | homie: what did you do? turn down logging in sysctl? |
| 23:22.19 | homie | dynamite: no just kernel level logging messages level turned to 4 or so |
| 23:22.21 | homie | wait |
| 23:22.29 | wobblyonions | yeah but getting them working is no easy feat |
| 23:22.43 | varlon | homie, yes, I add path to java home about 4 years ago, but nothing else at last time |
| 23:22.49 | varlon | I will remove this |
| 23:22.54 | wobblyonions | it shows up the drive but I get realy realy crap performance out of it compared to using it in a windows setup |
| 23:22.57 | homie | dynamite: i have a kernel.printk=3 4 1 3 in my /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 23:23.17 | wobblyonions | and appears that you have to re-install the whole OS as well according to the manufactures etc |
| 23:23.29 | dynamite | homie: remind me - how do i rehash the sysctl settings? |
| 23:23.43 | dynamite | gosh |
| 23:23.44 | homie | varlon: i didn't mean you to remove or alter your PATH variable further, only trying to guess where the problem might be... |
| 23:23.48 | dynamite | ive been "away" too ling |
| 23:23.50 | dynamite | long |
| 23:24.05 | homie | dynamite: sysctl -p or so |
| 23:24.07 | ActionParsnip | wobblyonions: I'd compile it for your kernel and it should be better |
| 23:24.32 | varlon | homie, undestood, thanks for you trying |
| 23:24.36 | homie | dynamite: the default file is /etc/sysctl.conf so just -p will suffice |
| 23:24.59 | dynamite | thanks |
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| 23:26.00 | dynamite | homie: gosh, those shorewall messages are driving me nuts :D |
| 23:26.35 | homie | dynamite: didn't the printk line help ? |
| 23:26.41 | simonlnu | !kernel printk |
| 23:26.51 | simonlnu | !printk console |
| 23:26.51 | dpkg | methinks printk is see docs for <sysctl> and adjust /etc/sysctl.conf kernel.printk (3 4 1 7 or so). You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. See http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysctl/kernel.txt or man 5 proc /printk for meaning of the numbers (console_loglevel, default_message_loglevel, minimum_console_level, default_console_loglevel) |
| 23:27.25 | wobblyonions | yeah trying that now as wel |
| 23:27.51 | dynamite | homie: nope, does not appear to have |
| 23:28.06 | dynamite | still pretty verbose shorewall output on syslog |
| 23:28.11 | sugardrunk | 7win 13 |
| 23:28.14 | sugardrunk | :( |
| 23:28.40 | dynamite | homie: webhostingserver that logs every port 80 connection on syslog is mucho annoying :D |
| 23:30.26 | homie | dynamite: have a look in shorewall.conf , man shorewall.conf |
| 23:30.27 | paranoidphreak | phogg: thanks for the suggestion |
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| 23:31.01 | dynamite | homie: shorewall manual says it automatically logs to the kernel buffer. nothing shorewall.conf can do about it |
| 23:31.06 | homie | dynamite: LOG_VERBOSITY might be one option you can use |
| 23:31.06 | dynamite | :/ |
| 23:31.58 | homie | dynamite: then the kernel.printk line should help, if it does not try init q then telinit q or so |
| 23:32.31 | homie | dynamite: or restart your rsyslog |
| 23:32.42 | dynamite | nope - as expected. verbosity didnt change a thing |
| 23:33.09 | dynamite | homie: neither did the restart :( |
| 23:33.09 | homie | dynamite: i suspect none of the settings are immediate, if you don't restart rsyslog |
| 23:33.20 | homie | well |
| 23:33.27 | dynamite | sadface |
| 23:33.27 | dynamite | !! |
| 23:33.28 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 23:33.41 | dynamite | cant be such rocket science |
| 23:33.43 | homie | what shall i say ... if nothing helps maybe reboot with the new settings ? |
| 23:33.49 | dynamite | uh! |
| 23:33.52 | homie | lol |
| 23:33.55 | dynamite | :D |
| 23:33.59 | dynamite | dude, this aint #windows :D |
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| 23:43.41 | dynamite | homie: in my "policy" i have info warn level for all messges set - may i ask what your setting is there? |
| 23:43.45 | dynamite | maybe thats the problem |
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| 23:43.49 | antivigilante | https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/1676 |
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| 23:43.58 | dynamite | cause now i removed the log level i see no more :D |
| 23:44.07 | antivigilante | pidgin leaks dns requests |
| 23:44.17 | antivigilante | when using tor as proxy |
| 23:44.19 | homie | i only have info as log level |
| 23:44.23 | dynamite | for all? |
| 23:44.26 | homie | for all |
| 23:44.29 | dynamite | mhh |
| 23:44.31 | antivigilante | fix or drop |
| 23:44.31 | dynamite | so did i |
| 23:44.42 | dynamite | but with info i had the spam |
| 23:44.44 | dynamite | odd |
| 23:44.51 | varlon | homie, if you interesting, the problem was in apt 0.8.13.x (bug #620546) |
| 23:45.25 | homie | varlon: that's from sid ? |
| 23:45.28 | varlon | just downgrade to 0.8.10.3 and all working fine |
| 23:45.30 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, my laptop has a built-in wifi card that i can't find the drivers for it but a few months back, i ran a live cd (can't remember the name; maybe "sidux" or something but it says that it's based on debian testing or sid and released every 3 months or so) and it did pick up my wifi card and displayed the networks in my area. |
| 23:45.32 | varlon | yes |
| 23:45.45 | homie | varlon: now i see, yep, i have the 0.8.10.3 version too here |
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| 23:46.13 | homie | varlon: don't use sid packages, only maybe in a chroot env |
| 23:46.20 | varlon | :) |
| 23:46.27 | varlon | I use sid everytime |
| 23:46.32 | varlon | about 5 years |
| 23:47.01 | homie | varlon: only sid or a mixed system you mean ? |
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| 23:47.06 | varlon | sometimes I have a problems with X11, but with apt fault at first time |
| 23:47.11 | varlon | mixed |
| 23:47.31 | homie | varlon: used that along time too, but when you frequently update you'll get into problems... |
| 23:47.44 | varlon | yeah, I know |
| 23:47.54 | homie | varlon: and there's no way to get rid of packages from sid in a clean way.... |
| 23:48.08 | varlon | and before I can resolve any troubles, but apt... it's a base of system and I was some confused |
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| 23:49.11 | dynamite | homie: now that ive removed the lines its shutting up. ill leave it like that for now. |
| 23:49.14 | dynamite | thanks anyway! |
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| 23:50.32 | homie | dynamite: well, maybe you have to had to restart shorewall too, before anything changes...don't know.. |
| 23:50.42 | homie | dynamite: that's why i said reboot rather... |
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| 23:53.05 | jhutchins | The only legitimate reason to reboot a linux box is to load a new/different kernel, and some VERY RARE cases where certain drivers have to be loaded without the rest of the system being up. |
| 23:53.14 | jhutchins | Yes, you need to restart shorewall if you change the rules. |
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| 23:54.09 | homie | well i don't like shorwall to be rebooted i rather restart my whole system before that... |
| 23:55.35 | dynamite | homie: i also restarted shorewall |
| 23:55.42 | dynamite | not really into restarting a vital system :D |
| 23:55.59 | homie | well i don't have a server or so... |
| 23:56.18 | homie | if i had a server or running apps, i wouldn't want to restart either |
| 23:56.30 | dynamite | yea |
| 23:56.37 | dynamite | no worries. |
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