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| 00:13.45 | mmnicolas | hi, I used cron to make daily backups of one vm, then while attempting to delete the whole last month I accidently rm -rf'ed them all :P Do you think tools like scalpel could recover a whole virtual hd image successfully ? |
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| 00:16.25 | daemonkeeper | So you're going to tell you deleted a month ago and you want to recover /now/, a month later, keeping the system up and running since then? |
| 00:17.27 | mmnicolas | No I deleted everything, even today's backup, some of the last files are still there but their size is 0 |
| 00:19.11 | mmnicolas | It's on an secondary hard-drive and the last write operations is that rm -rf backup-20110* |
| 00:20.12 | daemonkeeper | Well, faith dies last. Chances to succeed aren't that though |
| 00:20.32 | daemonkeeper | +good |
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| 00:21.04 | mmnicolas | Yea.. I kind of expected that |
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| 00:24.10 | mmnicolas | thanks for saving me lots of mecanical stress trying |
| 00:24.23 | mmnicolas | +hard-drive |
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| 01:08.11 | ChocoTaco | In grub's menu.lst, does the path in the "kernel" line mean its path in relation to the specified root filesystem, or in relation to the root filesystem when install-grub is run? |
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| 01:08.55 | simonlnu | / for both, otherwise grub's |
| 01:09.14 | simonlnu | er, root if the path, anyway |
| 01:09.19 | ChocoTaco | i.e. if I am making an entry for a different partition, do I put the kernel and initrd onto that partition or should I put them in /boot of the current install |
| 01:09.24 | simonlnu | s,if,of, |
| 01:09.29 | dvs | ChocoTaco: It's relative to the partition the kernel is stored in. |
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| 01:09.42 | simonlnu | dvs said it more clearly =) |
| 01:09.56 | dvs | !confuse simonlnu |
| 01:09.56 | dpkg | Yes, those are your ferret today, simonlnu? Wellies of the Monarchy of Swaziland with extra herring. |
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| 01:10.29 | simonlnu | that's funny, 'cause a ferret was climbing on my shoulder earlier this evening |
| 01:10.59 | ChocoTaco | OK, I made a new partition that will hold its own kernel and initrd. I put vmlinuz and initrd.gz at / in that partition. This is sda3 we're talking about, currently running from sda1. |
| 01:11.27 | ChocoTaco | I added an entry for root(hd0,2), kernel /vmlinuz, initrd /initrd.gz |
| 01:11.32 | ChocoTaco | and I get Error 15 |
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| 01:12.08 | ChocoTaco | what did I do wrong? Do I need to mount sda3 and do like kernel /mnt/sda3/vmlinuz etc? |
| 01:13.01 | simonlnu | not for grub no, because that's where your grub is only in relation to the current system |
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| 01:13.24 | simonlnu | you'll need /vmlinuz (if that's where the symlink is) |
| 01:14.19 | ChocoTaco | so let's say I have sda3 mounted to /mnt/sda3. I put vmlinuz and initrd in /mnt/sda3. So now in the sda3 filesystem I should have /vmlinuz and /initrd.gz right? |
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| 01:14.29 | ChocoTaco | I'm super confused as to what's going wrong |
| 01:15.33 | simonlnu | would probably work better if you chrooted |
| 01:15.44 | ChocoTaco | OK |
| 01:16.17 | ChocoTaco | so I should bind /mnt/sda3/boot to /boot? Then chroot into /mnt/sda3? Then run install-grub? |
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| 01:17.38 | simonlnu | no. just chroot to /mnt/sda3 |
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| 01:18.21 | simonlnu | then mount /proc and /sys since it'll need those |
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| 01:30.14 | spm-Draget | Which jre would you recommend on squeeze? sun-java-jre? openjdk? |
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| 01:34.37 | spm-Draget | Basically... anyone got an opitnion on sun-java-jre vs. openjdk-jre? |
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| 01:37.34 | nevyn | spm-Draget: use what works? icetea/openjdk has some nicer sound handling stuff. (uses alsa rather than oss etc) but I've had problems making it go. |
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| 01:40.34 | HandyGandy | Hey I just compared the /etc/apt of a 64 bit system with a 32 bit system. They are the same. How does apt know whether you are using a 32 bit system or a 64 bit system? |
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| 01:40.59 | abrotman | HandyGandy: dpkg --print-architecture |
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| 01:41.31 | HandyGandy | abrotman: Cool thanks. |
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| 02:01.50 | Akuw | hi abrotman |
| 02:01.57 | abrotman | hi? |
| 02:02.44 | Akuw | hey, has apache some var to control the upload of file? |
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| 02:05.32 | abrotman | Akuw: you mean the file size? |
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| 02:07.11 | peterrooney | Akuw: probably; also, you could ask in #httpd |
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| 02:18.54 | jorgp | I am using testing inside of vmware fusion 3 and when X starts, there is no mouse or keyboard. What could it be? |
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| 02:21.11 | tgies | can't remember -- what determines what program is started automatically at a new tty? (i.e. `login`) |
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| 02:23.01 | tgies | er, `getty` rather |
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| 02:23.30 | tgies | i guess init does it but i'm not sure where that is configured if anywhere |
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| 02:23.40 | tgies | i don't intend to change it or something stupid like that, just curious |
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| 02:23.49 | abrotman | /etc/inittab |
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| 02:24.19 | tgies | of course |
| 02:24.20 | tgies | ty |
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| 02:35.07 | jorgp | where do you put a module to load at boot |
| 02:35.29 | jorgp | ls |
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| 02:37.26 | abrotman | /etc/modules |
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| 02:38.21 | jorgp | thanks |
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| 02:39.22 | jorgp | well guess that was not it, can not get mouse to work inside X |
| 02:39.32 | jorgp | I tried to load psmouse at boot |
| 02:41.46 | nsadmin2 | I need to watch youtubes on a debian squeeze amd64; is there an alternative that doesn't leak ram? |
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| 02:42.32 | ZykoticK9 | nsadmin2, html5 and gnash are the only flash alternatives I'm aware of. |
| 02:42.55 | nsadmin2 | you mean html5 covers it? |
| 02:42.58 | mosno | nsadmin2: assuming you're using flashplugin-nonfree? |
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| 02:43.37 | nsadmin2 | mosno: well I hope to try an alternative to that, and I'm not using anything yet |
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| 02:43.52 | ZykoticK9 | nsadmin2, if you have a browser that's html5 compatible (most, but certainly not all YouTube videos work) youtube.com/html5 to try it. |
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| 02:44.14 | nsadmin2 | oic |
| 02:44.25 | nsadmin2 | thanks; good to know' |
| 02:44.40 | mosno | nsadmin2: but you'll basically come back to adobe |
| 02:44.54 | mosno | nsadmin2: (unless youtube is your only flash requirement) |
| 02:44.59 | nsadmin2 | not without hostility :) |
| 02:45.00 | ZykoticK9 | nsadmin2, i've personally had good luck with gnash, but many others in this channel seem to not have such good luck? |
| 02:45.18 | mosno | ZykoticK9: i'm in the latter camp |
| 02:45.18 | abrotman | depends on the sites you frequent |
| 02:45.29 | dvs | ZykoticK9: same here |
| 02:45.31 | mosno | ZykoticK9: unfortunately |
| 02:45.33 | ZykoticK9 | nsadmin2, mono is correct - gnash & html5 are really only good for youtube |
| 02:45.41 | ZykoticK9 | sorry mosno |
| 02:45.48 | nsadmin2 | well youtube and atm developer.android.com |
| 02:46.09 | mosno | ZykoticK9: i even had problems with youtube... the first video played, but none after that |
| 02:46.49 | ZykoticK9 | mosno, you're not alone ;) I've had good luck i guess (though i'm not really sure i believe in luck, when it comes to computers) |
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| 02:48.47 | ZykoticK9 | nsadmin2, are all the videos on developer.android.com just linked to YouTube? If so, that may be in your favour. |
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| 02:55.07 | homie | what is the shells default behaviour on something like /usr/lib/emacsen-common/emacs-install ? |
| 02:55.25 | homie | will that be interpreted as a path or a binary ? |
| 02:55.52 | homie | i notice when the binary is missing it is thought of as a path rather than a binary |
| 02:57.10 | homie | mostly in prerm preinst scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 03:01.30 | grimau | hi i saw there is a new version of hydrogen on debian sid, which did not migrate to testing yet because of a dependency (lash) looks stalled (it's been 30 days and still not migrated to testing) I don't know what's wrong, or have the proper knowledge to file a decent bug (if needed) or it will be solved itself. |
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| 03:04.11 | ZykoticK9 | mosno, lol on Trisquel I seem to be having your issue, one video worked, now nothing. Perhaps my luck is changing ;) |
| 03:04.46 | mosno | ZykoticK9: "Run free!" -- cool slogan |
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| 03:23.35 | HandyGandy | How can I tell which repository a package comes from? |
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| 03:24.20 | nsadmin2 | man apt-cache, look for "policy"\ |
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| 03:26.28 | HandyGandy | Thanks nsadmin |
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| 03:27.34 | nsadmin2 | once you do that reading you will then know more than I do |
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| 03:28.07 | DetroitLibertyPe | /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 03:28.45 | DetroitLibertyPe | /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 03:29.00 | nsadmin2 | hmm. let's just have it spew: |
| 03:29.03 | DetroitLibertyPe | /msg dpkg squeeze |
| 03:29.14 | nsadmin2 | dpkg, lenny -> squeeze |
| 03:29.14 | dpkg | wish i knew, nsadmin2 |
| 03:29.25 | jeremym | im trying to figure out how to go from 6.0 to 6.0.1 |
| 03:29.33 | jeremym | i have tried apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:29.33 | nsadmin2 | dpkg, lenny->squeeze |
| 03:29.33 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>. |
| 03:29.40 | nsadmin2 | thereyago |
| 03:30.13 | nsadmin2 | and you should read the release notes (of squeeze) |
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| 03:30.59 | jeremym | nm i must have already upgraded |
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| 03:32.11 | nsadmin2 | jeremym, maybe not completely (if it was without your knowledge) |
| 03:32.27 | jeremym | debian_release states its 6.0.1 |
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| 03:32.42 | jeremym | how can i be sure if i cant rely on that? |
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| 03:33.20 | nsadmin2 | well make sure your kernel and your libc are current |
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| 03:33.36 | nsadmin2 | then you might try running a full-upgrade |
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| 03:34.07 | jeremym | apt-get full-upgrade? |
| 03:34.49 | nsadmin2 | well look at what it proposes to do (and I'd try aptitude as well, to see if what they propose is different) |
| 03:35.02 | DetroitLibertyPe | does squeeze still have KDE3? |
| 03:35.44 | ectospasm | I just did a fresh install of 6.0.1a on amd64, installed the graphical environment, and everything seems to have gone well except neither GDM nor GNOME display any text or icons. I can login, and the system seems to respond appropriately (displaying menus, etc.), but no text labels or icons. |
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| 03:36.57 | jonpacker | if I've created a user with 'sudo adduser --system --home /var/www/kjos --no-create-home --group --shell /bin/bash kjos', what would the password for that user be? |
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| 03:37.28 | ectospasm | jonpacker: you might need to set that with passwd |
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| 03:43.53 | DetroitLibertyPe | E: Couldn't find package linux-image-686 |
| 03:48.25 | DetroitLibertyPe | ok so if I see my kernel version is not 2.6.32, but 2.5.26 what should I do? |
| 03:48.42 | DetroitLibertyPe | excuse me 2.6.26 |
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| 03:51.22 | macrobat | DetroitLibertyPe: do you run lenny? |
| 03:51.38 | DetroitLibertyPe | yes |
| 03:51.59 | macrobat | and you want to continue doing that? |
| 03:53.20 | DetroitLibertyPe | no |
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| 03:58.48 | macrobat | ,kernels |
| 03:58.50 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-3); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-3); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
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| 05:24.37 | thatandroidguy | hey all |
| 05:24.59 | blackshirt | hey all ? |
| 05:25.03 | blackshirt | yeah |
| 05:25.37 | thatandroidguy | im in need of some help. i just finished install debian testing (wheezy) and now that its installed both the keyboard and the touchpad are dead. and i had to plug in an external usb keyboard and mouse. |
| 05:26.03 | thatandroidguy | and i forgot to include that its a laptop. my bad. |
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| 05:27.07 | thatandroidguy | any thoughts on what could have gone wrong? |
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| 05:29.20 | thatandroidguy | .... |
| 05:29.24 | blackshirt | try to reconfigure # dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
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| 05:29.57 | moparisthebest | can i set the system time on the command line with a unix timestamp? (date +%s) |
| 05:30.22 | moparisthebest | I figured i'd do it with something like date +%s -s timestamp_here |
| 05:30.30 | moparisthebest | but it always says its an invalid timestamp :/ |
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| 05:31.05 | blackshirt | # dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
| 05:31.09 | moparisthebest | well, it says 'date: invalid date `1302667267' to be precise |
| 05:31.28 | thatandroidguy | blackshirt: ok lemme try that. |
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| 05:33.07 | moparisthebest | or would there be a better channel to ask about using date or a similar command? |
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| 05:34.24 | thatandroidguy | blackshirt: i assume i should restart x after that? |
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| 05:35.14 | blackshirt | yeah, |
| 05:35.45 | thatandroidguy | ok brb |
| 05:35.46 | blackshirt | moparisthebest: i think you can the manual for command |
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| 05:37.57 | grimau | thatandroidguy: try from a root terminal the command: tasksel |
| 05:38.40 | grimau | it will display the same menu that was in the installer. you can mark "laptop" on it and press "ok" |
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| 05:39.44 | slashdotfx | hi, I've install squeeze on raid1 with lvm |
| 05:39.54 | slashdotfx | its a 2x2TB disks |
| 05:40.05 | slashdotfx | I got grub2 error |
| 05:40.15 | moparisthebest | blackshirt, the manual says that what i've been doing should work, but: |
| 05:40.30 | moparisthebest | # date +%s --set="1302667267" |
| 05:40.30 | moparisthebest | date: invalid date `1302667267' |
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| 05:41.45 | debclair | sorry, i have problems with using mysqli methods. I have the php5 package from squeeze's stable repositories and i already edited my php.ini's mysqli default socket entry to the right path. Any suggestions? |
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| 05:43.13 | slashdotfx | almost every documentation on installing debian on raid1 is with smaller disks |
| 05:43.20 | thatandroidguy | blackshirt: that didnt work |
| 05:43.52 | slashdotfx | anyone had issues installing on raid1 with large disks? |
| 05:44.53 | grimau | thatandroidguy: # tasksel |
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| 05:45.41 | thatandroidguy | grimau: ok? then what? |
| 05:46.11 | grimau | then check "laptop" on the list, it will install the missing packages you need |
| 05:46.57 | thatandroidguy | grimau: if this works you are officialy the greatest person evar |
| 05:47.07 | grimau | i guess you need to restart your session after that (logout, and login again) |
| 05:47.23 | thatandroidguy | or ctrl alt back. |
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| 05:47.47 | grimau | greater that the man who hacked that command? |
| 05:48.08 | thatandroidguy | erm. yeah. |
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| 05:49.07 | thatandroidguy | uh oh. i think im breaking the install with this. |
| 05:49.41 | thatandroidguy | it had desktop environment selected to and i unchecked that now its removing shit uh oh shit shit shit |
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| 05:50.53 | peterrooney | thatandroidguy: don't panic, you can run tasksel again. |
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| 05:51.26 | thatandroidguy | ok gd gd. thought i was about to have to spend time reinstalling. |
| 05:51.31 | thatandroidguy | that would have pissed me off |
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| 05:55.46 | blackshirt | thatandroidguy: what about keyboard-configuration ? |
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| 06:10.41 | thatandroidguy | that was no good. |
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| 06:11.08 | thatandroidguy | everyone thing broke from there. |
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| 06:12.19 | thatandroidguy | ended up being stuck doing a reinstall |
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| 06:14.09 | thatandroidguy | is giving up after this try |
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| 06:25.32 | TehRabbitt | hey. having some trouble with VirtualBox on wheezy |
| 06:25.39 | TehRabbitt | can't load the modules :-\ |
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| 06:26.08 | thatandroidguy | I've given up for the night. night guys |
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| 06:27.36 | TehRabbitt | anyone here know about virtualbox? |
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| 06:27.53 | simonlnu | !virtualbox |
| 06:27.53 | dpkg | Oracle VM VirtualBox is a virtual machine solution. To install, ask me about <vbox-install squeeze> or <vbox-install lenny>. http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ http://www.virtualbox.org/ #vbox on irc.freenode.net. See also <vbox manual>, <vbox guest-utils>, <vbox-ose vs vbox>, <vbox migrate win>, <vdi>, <virtualization>. |
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| 06:28.30 | simonlnu | load the modules.. you should compile them first. you can use the init script to do that |
| 06:28.32 | TehRabbitt | simonlnu the problem is that I am using the APT sources from wheezy and it's saying that the modules are not found |
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| 06:28.48 | TehRabbitt | init script? |
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| 06:29.01 | simonlnu | /etc/init.d/foo |
| 06:29.24 | TehRabbitt | simonlnu it fails... says that the modules can't be started etc |
| 06:29.28 | feitingen | TehRabbitt: /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup |
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| 06:29.47 | TehRabbitt | Starting VirtualBox kernel modulesmodprobe vboxdrv failed. Please use 'dmesg' to find out why ... failed! |
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| 06:30.03 | feitingen | TehRabbitt: did you use dmesg to find out why? |
| 06:30.05 | TehRabbitt | -bash: /etc/init.d/vboxdrv: No such file or directory |
| 06:30.09 | TehRabbitt | yes, dmesg shows nothing |
| 06:30.25 | TehRabbitt | root@thoth:~# dmesg | grep virtualbox shows nothing |
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| 06:31.09 | feitingen | TehRabbitt: you didn't install it properly |
| 06:31.24 | TehRabbitt | apt-get virtualbox-ose |
| 06:31.30 | TehRabbitt | err apt-get install virtualbox-ose |
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| 06:32.57 | feitingen | TehRabbitt: try apt-get install virtualbox-4.0 |
| 06:33.27 | feitingen | remove virtualbox-ose first |
| 06:33.28 | TehRabbitt | ok |
| 06:33.49 | TehRabbitt | package doesn't exist |
| 06:34.06 | TehRabbitt | err sorry this machine is running squeeze :-\ mixed the 2 machiens up |
| 06:34.09 | simonlnu | the -ose seems to be broken is subtle and not so subtle ways |
| 06:34.11 | TehRabbitt | might not have 4.0 in squeeze |
| 06:34.37 | simonlnu | in* (hell, i thought i corrected that is) |
| 06:34.38 | feitingen | the -ose isn't newbiefriendly |
| 06:34.38 | TehRabbitt | :( |
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| 06:35.05 | ansgar | feitingen: Why? It just worked all the time for me... |
| 06:35.08 | TehRabbitt | well I've used virtualbox in the past several times, though this is the first time it's really giving me issues |
| 06:35.27 | feitingen | TehRabbitt: to get virtualbox-4.0 add this line to your /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian squeeze non-free |
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| 06:35.35 | feitingen | TehRabbitt: oracle is fucking it up |
| 06:35.45 | Tobias| | Is there a command to identify CPU architecture? |
| 06:35.57 | feitingen | Tobias|: uname -m |
| 06:36.02 | Tobias| | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.02 | TehRabbitt | feitingen: that could be part of the problem >_< |
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| 06:36.08 | Tobias| | very cool :) |
| 06:36.11 | simonlnu | cat /proc/cpuinfo to start, and uname |
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| 06:36.32 | TehRabbitt | feitingen: I tried grabbing the latest SVN source from oracle's site and it won't compile on my system without jumping through hoops either :-\ |
| 06:36.55 | TehRabbitt | apparently i'm missing almost *every* lib it needs so i keep running ./configure, install a lib package, and restart it again |
| 06:37.08 | TehRabbitt | about 20 libs into it i decided to try virtualbox-ose |
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| 06:37.36 | ansgar | TehRabbitt: But you said it was not installed? So did you install it or not? |
| 06:37.59 | simonlnu | new (to me) irssi trick i accidentily discovered just now: ^-home/end brings you to the top and bottom of the current window |
| 06:38.16 | simonlnu | not a terminal thing either |
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| 06:39.05 | TehRabbitt | ansgar: I installed -ose but it won't "run" saying that the modules are not found... even though when I use tab autocomplete with "modprobe vbox" they show up |
| 06:39.23 | TehRabbitt | when I try to run the init, it fails saying the modules can't be loaded |
| 06:39.25 | TehRabbitt | etc |
| 06:39.46 | ansgar | TehRabbitt: And are the modules loaded (lsmod)? Did dmesg include anything? |
| 06:39.49 | simonlnu | sh -x /etc/init.d/vboxdrv start |
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| 06:39.56 | TehRabbitt | VirtualBox4.0 I can grab the source and manually compile, but i don't know how many libs I need and if i'm going to be there all day installing a ton of scripts |
| 06:40.00 | TehRabbitt | dmesg showed nothing |
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| 06:40.47 | TehRabbitt | root@thoth:~# sh -x /etc/init.d/vboxdrv start sh: Can't open /etc/init.d/vboxdrv |
| 06:41.12 | ansgar | TehRabbitt: Are they included in lsmod's output? |
| 06:41.36 | TehRabbitt | http://pastebin.com/BrjzsWCh |
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| 06:41.54 | TehRabbitt | no not in lsmod either |
| 06:42.24 | simonlnu | well, the actual script name.. |
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| 06:42.33 | simonlnu | *of course* |
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| 06:43.40 | ansgar | TehRabbitt: Did you install virtualbox-ose-dkms and the header package for your kernel? |
| 06:43.44 | TehRabbitt | like the source version wants Xcursor installed |
| 06:43.46 | TehRabbitt | Checking for Xcursor: |
| 06:44.10 | TehRabbitt | unless theres a way to tell it not to compile for X server |
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| 06:44.33 | TehRabbitt | I've tried looking for some form of flag on google but haven't really found anything useful :-\ |
| 06:44.38 | slashdotfx | i've just notice, there is 1MB partition created, with BIOSGRUB |
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| 06:45.47 | Booba | hi I want ot install ntp client is apt-get install ntpdate enough or is apt-get install ntp really needed for only a client |
| 06:46.27 | feitingen | Booba: ntpdate is enough if you don't run any services which will have problems with time going backwards sometimes |
| 06:46.51 | Booba | feitingen, what if I have such services ? |
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| 06:47.27 | feitingen | then you can't use ntpdate, then you have to use ntp |
| 06:47.52 | simonlnu | Booba: ntp |
| 06:48.18 | simonlnu | !ntpdate |
| 06:48.19 | dpkg | ntpdate is an obsolete and unmaintained program to set a system clock via <NTP>. Just install the ntp package instead. Since Lenny, ntp's default configuration files (NTPD_OPTS='-g' in /etc/default/ntp, 'iburst' option for default servers in /etc/ntp.conf) make ntpdate unnecessary. See also <why not ntpdate>. |
| 06:48.19 | Booba | feitingen, if I have 30 servers and I have services such as web and mysql that depend on time being in sync, I setup one ntp server and then have the rest of the ntp conf files read from that server ? I.e. install ntp and ntpdate for all servers |
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| 06:48.35 | feitingen | Booba: ntp will slow down/speed up the system clock so it catches up and eventually becomes correct instead of setting the time like ntpdate |
| 06:48.43 | feitingen | thus, don't use ntpdate |
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| 06:49.41 | feitingen | Booba: install ntp on all and edit /etc/ntp.conf |
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| 06:50.17 | simonlnu | Booba: have the main one use say the default setup - which reads from a debian pool at ntp.org then points the others at the main one (like you said). saves bandwidth and load on the remotes. |
| 06:50.41 | simonlnu | i used to participate in the pool, and it's certainly a bandwidth sucker ;) |
| 06:51.23 | feitingen | simonlnu: what was your time source? |
| 06:51.24 | kgoetz | working out the options to let you invoke ntp like you o ntpdate to do a one off update is an arse |
| 06:51.25 | simonlnu | was quite fun though. i'd notice when it was my turn up to bat. |
| 06:51.35 | kgoetz | at least it was when i tried it a few months ago |
| 06:51.55 | simonlnu | had a coupla 2s i asked to sync from |
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| 06:52.32 | feitingen | simonlnu: i wanted to use gps for that, never got it working.. |
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| 07:04.24 | simonlnu | maybe you should upgrade to squeeze? |
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| 07:07.47 | austinium | i am using the ping command with the -c option, the last line is pipe <count> where count is the number of packets sent using the -c option...is there anyway to prevent this line from showing up? |
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| 07:08.29 | austinium | or is there anyway of telling if this line will show up always? iam trying to write a script which give ping statistics... |
| 07:08.36 | austinium | gives |
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| 07:09.46 | austinium | the pipe <count> line only appears when there are lost packets |
| 07:10.05 | Theget | Hello; total linux newbie here. What reasons are there for using debian instead of ubuntu on a desktop? |
| 07:11.08 | austinium | Theget: i'll give you mine, Ubuntu 10.04 take 200+MB of RAM on my P4 2.4GHz machine with 1GB of DDR1 RAM, Debian 6 takes around half that amount, both running GNOME |
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| 07:13.07 | Theget | I see. |
| 07:13.10 | ectospasm | Theget: Ubuntu tries to be everything to everybody |
| 07:13.45 | ectospasm | It hides a lot of detail and makes a lot of configuration decisions for you |
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| 07:14.08 | ectospasm | that being said, Ubuntu is more cohesive, and works with 100% functionality right out of the box |
| 07:14.35 | austinium | Theget: it is also perceived to be easier for newer users |
| 07:14.46 | ectospasm | ...but that functionality is accompanied by a lot of (what some think) unnecessary bloat |
| 07:14.56 | ectospasm | the key is easier for Linux nubs |
| 07:15.14 | ectospasm | I have my 92yr old grandfather and girlfriend running Ubuntu |
| 07:15.26 | austinium | yup, Ubuntu = Debian with training wheels (and eye candy,...) |
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| 07:15.34 | digdilem_ | your girlfriend is 92? |
| 07:15.54 | ectospasm | Debian takes an appreciable amount of work to get to the point of Ubuntu |
| 07:16.03 | ectospasm | digdilem_: no, she's 32. |
| 07:16.07 | digdilem_ | :) |
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| 07:17.09 | digdilem_ | during my own, non-scientific tests, I've found debian to give both more stability and lower loads running the same software than ubuntu does. |
| 07:17.25 | digdilem_ | but i still like both for different things |
| 07:17.52 | austinium | Debian @ work, Ubuntu @home :) |
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| 07:19.46 | ectospasm | I'm ditching Ubuntu, I've been forced to do manual memory management too much on all my Ubuntu boxen |
| 07:19.50 | simonlnu | also rather ot... |
| 07:20.55 | Theget | I had some traumatic experience with bloat on opensuse once; I guess I'll go for debian then. Thanks. |
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| 07:21.27 | aminpy | how to upgrade django 1.2.5 to 1.3 in debian? |
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| 07:25.20 | austinium | is there a better way to get the ping statistics? ping -c2 10.0.0.1|tail -n 2|head -n 1 |
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| 07:26.03 | ectospasm | austinium: what's wrong with that? |
| 07:26.35 | austinium | nothing really, but its taking two commands to do 1 thing |
| 07:27.12 | ectospasm | austinium: that's the beauty of UNIX pipes |
| 07:27.54 | ectospasm | there may be a slightly more elegant way to do it, but it may take too much time to come up with something better |
| 07:30.03 | geckoclown | ciao |
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| 07:35.04 | dudz_ | aminpy, just dismantle it and put it in the bin. |
| 07:35.49 | aminpy | dudz_, how :D? |
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| 07:38.08 | dudz_ | a philips head screwdriver should do it all, :) |
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| 07:47.10 | Bushmills | austinium: add -q option, |
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| 07:47.56 | Bushmills | no, don't |
| 07:48.02 | xk | hmm... mytop doesn't seem to work on squeeze |
| 07:48.22 | xk | well, I mean it doesnt increment the counters as a total. |
| 07:48.31 | xk | unless the options have changed ;) |
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| 07:52.01 | TeddieeB | Morning all |
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| 07:52.28 | xk | hmm.. interesting. |
| 07:52.58 | xk | in mytop, qps apparently refers to "questions per second"... which only increments when you provide a non-sql statement. |
| 07:53.08 | xk | *fixes it so it becomes queries per second* |
| 07:53.17 | qsfi1 | any xen usesrs here? trying to build a centos instance and yum is segfaulting ... |
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| 07:54.48 | xk | there we go. fixes. |
| 07:54.50 | xk | fixed. |
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| 07:55.03 | xk | qsfi1: we dont support centos |
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| 07:55.28 | xk | !yum |
| 07:55.29 | dpkg | i guess yum is "Yellow dog Updater, Modified". Somewhat like <APT> for RPM-based systems. It automatically computes dependencies and figures out what things should occur in order to safely install, remove, and update RPM packages. Packaged for Debian. http://yum.baseurl.org/ #yum on irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:55.32 | xk | !centos |
| 07:55.32 | dpkg | CentOS (Community ENTerprise Operating System) is a rebuild of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux RPMs by the community. http://centos.org/ For IRC support, join #centos on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 07:57.03 | TeddieeB | Nice bot function |
| 07:57.19 | quci | has anyone seen tico? |
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| 08:01.03 | xk | ahh... there we go |
| 08:01.09 | xk | now to file a bug |
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| 08:11.41 | c0nfl|ct | bom dia |
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| 08:13.22 | dawud | c0nfl|ct: buen dÃa señor |
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| 08:54.58 | dawud | will 2.6.38 be backported to squeeze any time soon? any news/rumours? |
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| 09:02.59 | Burps | I have some trouble during the install process with the GRUB setup. It's on a raid volume (/dev/rd/c0d0). I don't have much output on the problem : where could I find more info on what's (not) happenning ? |
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| 09:04.50 | Burps | http://pastebin.com/fv4agPBt |
| 09:05.35 | Burps | it only says in english 'grub-common is already the newest available version" |
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| 09:25.06 | red2kic | Hello. I'm looking at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1-live/i386/bt-hybrid/ -- What is -standard.iso? |
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| 09:33.56 | dagni | i migrated from WindowMaker to Gnome, tho it's very good, i'm missing popup menu when i hit my defined shortcut (lets say F12 = popup menu, then arrow down, enter -- and my xterm is running) also if this is possible, is it possible to add custom launchers to that popup menu ? |
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| 09:34.11 | xk | !gnome |
| 09:34.11 | dpkg | GNOME is a Desktop Environment ("DE", so are <KDE> and <XFCE>) based on GTK+. To get or delete GNOME, ask me about <install gnome> or <remove gnome> respectively. See also <gnome status>. http:/wiki.debian.org/Gnome http://www.gnome.org/ #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org. GNOME-related IRC channels: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeIrcChannels |
| 09:34.32 | bea | red2kic: it's pretty small, i would assume it's a standard system without desktop environment, but i am just guessing |
| 09:34.40 | dagni | i migrated from WindowMaker to Gnome, tho it's very good, i'm missing popup menu when i hit my defined shortcut (lets say F12 = popup menu, then arrow down, enter -- and my xterm is running) also if this is possible, is it possible to add custom launchers to that popup menu ? |
| 09:35.05 | xk | !repeat |
| 09:35.06 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 09:36.01 | aber | red2kic: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.1-i386-standard.iso.packages |
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| 09:37.25 | cousin_mario | Hello. |
| 09:37.52 | dagni | someone know if i can install OGRE using apt-get ? |
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| 09:38.16 | TeddieeB | dagni, #apt-cache search |
| 09:39.01 | cousin_mario | is trying to change the version of a package he's building from SVN. Any hints about what to look at in the ~mypackage/debian scripts? |
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| 09:39.18 | xk | cousin_mario: debian/changelog has the version. |
| 09:39.19 | EmleyMoor | There are certainly packages relating to ogre... |
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| 09:39.34 | TeddieeB | I would suggest #apt-get clean, && #apt-get update first though so as to get the latest results |
| 09:39.43 | cousin_mario | xk: oh, I thought I added an entry on top of that.. |
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| 09:40.24 | xk | as far as I know, that's where the version string comes from. |
| 09:40.27 | xk | the top entry. |
| 09:40.43 | cousin_mario | xk: ok, cleaning and recompiling now |
| 09:40.52 | xk | i've built so many packages in the past... but it's been years since I last did it :) |
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| 09:41.12 | cousin_mario | xk: it didn't work:/ |
| 09:41.22 | Benkinooby | hi, some1 ever used directfb instead of X? a friend of mine told me about it, and from what i find on the internet, it seems to be (obviously) faster than X. still i somehow get the feeling, that it is "hyped". can someone tell me about his/her experinces with it (on what hardware)? |
| 09:41.22 | xk | pastebin changelog |
| 09:41.33 | xk | and the filename of the deb it is generating |
| 09:41.40 | cousin_mario | xk: uh oh, something rewrote the changelog |
| 09:41.50 | xk | never heard of that before |
| 09:41.57 | Benkinooby | most reports i read about it are either old or not very informative. |
| 09:41.59 | xk | what command are you running? |
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| 09:42.34 | cousin_mario | xk: make followed by `fakeroot debian/rules binary` |
| 09:42.54 | xk | hmmm |
| 09:43.01 | mAniAk-_- | can you run the installs package selection tool after install? |
| 09:43.35 | xk | cousin_mario: that should be ok. |
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| 09:43.41 | xk | cousin_mario: what is the last line that's printed? |
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| 09:43.48 | xk | should say "dpkg-deb: building package ...." |
| 09:44.14 | cousin_mario | xk: sorry, I closed that terminal |
| 09:44.23 | cousin_mario | it builds with the old version number anyway |
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| 09:44.48 | red2kic | aber: Ah I didn't see you. Thank you very much for responding. |
| 09:44.48 | xk | building the package should never alter changelog |
| 09:45.02 | red2kic | bea: You too. |
| 09:45.28 | JamesMR | Hi, I was wondering if anyone would be able to point me in the right direction for my problem, I'm getting "resize2fs: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to resize /dev/sda1" when using gparted to try and shrink a partition. |
| 09:45.33 | cousin_mario | xk: trying again |
| 09:46.18 | xk | heh. reiserfs |
| 09:46.19 | Wulf | Hi; which tool updates the apt package database and downloads new packages automatically, something like a "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -dy" cronjob? |
| 09:46.57 | xk | JamesMR: I always resize the filesystem then resize the partition. |
| 09:47.12 | xk | if I approximately resized the filesystem, resize it again so it fits the partition . |
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| 09:47.24 | xk | thats for shrinking. |
| 09:47.34 | xk | for increasing, it's resize partition then resize FS. |
| 09:47.37 | cousin_mario | xk: it worked this time. I think it was a syntax error in the changelog:/ |
| 09:48.23 | xk | JamesMR: and if you booted from that drive (iow: you're not using LVM), you have to "reload" the partition table. |
| 09:48.29 | xk | or best case to reboot. |
| 09:48.40 | xk | for dangerous operations like that, I reboot. |
| 09:48.51 | JamesMR | I rebooted to a gparted cd that I burned a couple of years ago to try repartitioning |
| 09:49.11 | xk | ahh... that GUI tool |
| 09:49.15 | cousin_mario | xk: thanks, it worked |
| 09:49.20 | JamesMR | xk: yeah |
| 09:49.42 | JamesMR | xk: I'm not hugely friendly with the command line |
| 09:50.03 | xk | not sure why it's failing for you. |
| 09:50.09 | xk | i've resized ext3 not problems |
| 09:50.14 | xk | but moving partitions is another question altogether. |
| 09:50.42 | JamesMR | how would I go about resizing the filesystem first? |
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| 09:51.12 | xk | resize_reiserfs, set the total block count to something that is less than the intended partition size |
| 09:51.29 | xk | resize partition table (fdisk? or sfdisk?), then resize_reiserfs again |
| 09:51.51 | EmleyMoor | A "parted magic" live CD can be very useful - Ultimate Bood CD includes it. |
| 09:51.56 | EmleyMoor | Boot CD, even |
| 09:53.43 | JamesMR | EmleyMoor: looks like partedmagic uses gparted |
| 09:54.01 | kW | Hello! How do I automatically set the default shell not to /bin/dash but to /bin/bash? echo "dash dash/sh boolean false" | debconf-set-selections; dpkg-reconfigure --priority high dash did not work |
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| 09:54.28 | TeddieeB | Wulf, "#apt-get clean" will flush the repo buffers, "#apt-get update" will download fresh repo package info, it is generally good practice to clean and then update so as to avoid having a dirty or half updated cache, "#apt-get upgrade" and #apt-get dist-upgrade" both update packages, I forget what dist-upgrade does that upgrade doesn't, but again it's good practice to run upgrade BEFORE a dist-upgrade to avoid braking things |
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| 09:54.54 | EmleyMoor | JamesMR: It does indeed |
| 09:55.15 | JamesMR | EmleyMoor: gparted is what I was using |
| 09:55.37 | Wulf | TeddieeB: doesn't "clean" remove remove the already downloaded packages? |
| 09:55.47 | cousin_mario | bbl |
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| 09:56.09 | Wulf | but I've already found apt-cron; Is it usable? |
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| 09:58.13 | TeddieeB | not sure about a single command that uses clean and remove at the same time... but clean simply clears the local cache of what packages/versions of packages are available from which repos... you want to run clean after changing repo information in /etc/apt/sources.list so as to clear away old repo info that may be cached. but it's also good practice all around before doing an update so as to avoid oopsies |
| 09:58.44 | TeddieeB | I've no experience with apt-cron |
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| 10:01.50 | wolfric | http://img27.imageshack.us/i/screenshot1mk.png/ any idea what that's from? |
| 10:01.54 | TeddieeB | I personally don't believe in automation of upgrades because too many things can go wrong, I prefer to be at the helm if I'm doing something that drastic to one of my machines |
| 10:02.03 | Bushmills | TeddieeB: that's what you have shell scripts for |
| 10:02.26 | wolfric | notice the bluring effect. It's happened a few times now. It goes away when i drag a selection over it sometimes |
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| 10:04.45 | Bushmills | Wulf: yes, after they were installed, and therefore not needed any longer |
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| 10:05.23 | TeddieeB | I understand that Bushmills, it's just like, okay, I once had a girlfriend who would fiddle with things, and she had added sid to a stable systems repos to fetch a single app.. and hadn't commented it out of sources.list or cleaned after herself. she then went in and did a complete system upgrade at a later time without checking that her sources.list or cache was clean... that OS was ruined... I don't believe in automation of upgrades |
| 10:05.28 | Wulf | "It removes everything but the lock file..." |
| 10:05.45 | Bushmills | "everything"? |
| 10:05.50 | TeddieeB | not without somebody there to babyset and say, hey this upgrade list seems fishy, maybe I should say no and look into it |
| 10:05.59 | Bushmills | sounds like a remedy for warts |
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| 10:06.57 | Wulf | cron-apt seems to do exactly what I want. |
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| 10:07.26 | wolfric | anyone take a look at that image? http://img27.imageshack.us/i/screenshot1mk.png/ |
| 10:07.33 | Wulf | wolfric: what's wrong with it? |
| 10:07.39 | themill | TeddieeB: "apt-get clean" doesn't do what you think it does, btw. It doesn't do anything to the package lists that apt knows about; "clean" and "update" are acting on completely different caches. |
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| 10:08.00 | TeddieeB | at the same time I will add that I only administrate like three to four personal machines, so it's not like runing upgrades every now and then is a pain in the rectum to do manually |
| 10:08.20 | spm-Draget | Asking around... who of you who uses java, is running openjdk-jre 6 and how is running sun-java-jre 6? Any noticed inkompabilits when using openjdk? |
| 10:09.02 | Bushmills | uses java freshly ground and with a spoon sticking in it |
| 10:09.05 | Wulf | TeddieeB: upgrading a sid system can be a real PITA if you do it only once every few months |
| 10:09.28 | tolle | I drink mine black so no need for a spoon |
| 10:09.35 | TeddieeB | I don't run sid though Wulf... I actually run testing... but again to each his own |
| 10:10.11 | wolfric | Wulf: you can't see? |
| 10:10.22 | Wulf | wolfric: no. What? |
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| 10:10.37 | zck | hi there |
| 10:10.41 | zck | please, anybody knows why on a debian machine actin as router "netstat -s" shows "outgoing packets dropped" counter, but "netstat -i" didn't show packets dropped at all?? |
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| 10:10.50 | wolfric | Wulf: look at the text beside the second highlighted client |
| 10:10.56 | wolfric | Wulf: zoom in a bit |
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| 10:11.02 | TeddieeB | themill, I have read a good bit into apt and explained it as I understood what I've read... I'll leave room to say I am wrong on it, and will look into it further... but thats pretty much where I stand |
| 10:11.10 | Wulf | wolfric: hrm. it's broken. |
| 10:11.35 | wolfric | Wulf: thank god it's not my monitor but what on earth would do that |
| 10:12.23 | themill | spm-Draget: there are a couple of problems with openjdk and proprietary crypto stuff that is missing from it because it's not part of the java standard but is included in sun's jre. You may also notice some performance differences but openjdk is a lot better than it used to be on that front. |
| 10:12.42 | Wulf | wolfric: no idea. how did you get that output? |
| 10:13.15 | wolfric | Wulf: apt-cache search ldap | less then /client |
| 10:13.38 | wolfric | Wulf: but i've had it a number of times but can't remember from what exactly |
| 10:14.07 | Wulf | wolfric: apt-cache search libcipux-rpc-client-perl; is it reproducable? |
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| 10:15.02 | wolfric | Wulf: oh if i scroll down and back up again it can disappear and if i highlight the text it can go away. It's a bit tempermental |
| 10:15.11 | wolfric | Wulf: i'll give it a shot though |
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| 10:15.35 | Wulf | wolfric: do you get such problems only in your terminal program, or in other X apps as well? |
| 10:15.38 | wolfric | Wulf: no not on that one |
| 10:16.25 | wolfric | Wulf: honestly i can't remember. I just scrolled around until it went away. It was only this time that i thought to screenshot i figured it had happened more than once |
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| 10:17.39 | spm-Draget | Hmm, so the jvm will just quick when it stumbles over a function not implemented in jdk. Or are almost all of the things implemented, just slower sometimes? |
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| 10:17.45 | rfx | hi |
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| 10:19.25 | wolfric | Wulf: i can reproduce it by typing in what i did before |
| 10:19.29 | themill | TeddieeB: "apt-get clean" only cleans out the downloaded .deb files from /var/cache/apt/archives/ it only changes the amount of disk space used and doesn't change apt's knowledge of packages or anything else at all; "apt-get upgrade" only refreshes the list of packages in each configured repository, storing the Packages and Release files in /var/lib/apt/lists/ and preparing a binary cache of them in /var/cache/apt/*cache.bin |
| 10:19.38 | wolfric | Wulf: i don't suppose you use testing do you? |
| 10:19.49 | Wulf | wolfric: no, unstable. |
| 10:19.56 | Wulf | wolfric: can you use a bigger font? |
| 10:19.57 | rfx | Ever since I upgraded various systems from Lenny to Squeeze, when I press CTRL-C in the bash, i Lenny I was just put into the next empty command line. In Squeeze I always get "^C" characters displayed. How can I turn this off? Here's an example of what I mean: http://pastie.org/1790552 |
| 10:20.29 | wolfric | Wulf: i'm not really looking to fix it. i'm just pointing it out as a bug. I reckon it's the searching in less |
| 10:20.50 | Wulf | wolfric: it's probably the terminal emulator |
| 10:20.58 | Wulf | or a lib related to it |
| 10:21.05 | zck | rfx: it's a nice feature, then you can know if that line was executed or not |
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| 10:21.49 | TeddieeB | themill, I follow what your saying, but if this is the case, why have I always read that you want to clean after doing something such as changing sources.list from one branch to another or utilizing other branches for individual downloads |
| 10:21.50 | rfx | zck: I don't want it. It breaks my copy&paste . |
| 10:21.51 | wolfric | Wulf: i tried apt-cache search perl | less and then /client it seems to be more of a hunt to find it rather than it just appears where you look for it |
| 10:23.00 | themill | TeddieeB: because there's an awful lot of crap out there written by people who neither read the documentation nor look at the source code. |
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| 10:25.09 | themill | !dbugs 534929 |
| 10:25.13 | dpkg | #534929:N[bash] bash 4 outputs spurious ^C when sending SIGINT (); Sun, 28 Jun 2009 11:06:02 UTC [] |
| 10:25.15 | themill | rfx: ^^ |
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| 10:25.37 | TeddieeB | themill, not sure I follow the reason. but I'll look into it... Studying for some form of LPIC so it's important to be accurate about things. thanks for the info |
| 10:25.43 | wolfric | Could someone else running testing try something out for me (try reproduce a bug). Want to find out if it's just my installation. open up a gnome-term and type sudo apt-cache search ldap | less then type /client and scroll up and down and see if you see text like this : http://img27.imageshack.us/i/screenshot1mk.png/ it's beside the second highlighted client in the screenshot |
| 10:26.19 | rfx | themill: lol, I could have written that initial bug report, thanks |
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| 10:27.17 | TeddieeB | wolfric, I am not at home at the moment and my laptops are running Back|track, otherwise I would |
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| 10:28.29 | zck | its not a bug, its a feature!!!! :P |
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| 10:30.58 | TeddieeB | somebody refered to such things as a bugture the other day zck, lol |
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| 10:33.40 | rfx | themill: thanks a lot, the fix was to add "set echo-control-characters off" to ~/.inputrc |
| 10:34.18 | zck | thanks themill, it's good to know it |
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| 10:34.58 | alexandru_g | Greetings ! |
| 10:35.12 | RichiH | hmm, is there any easy way to say "for every X files in the same directory that were created in the same second, keep only the first one"? |
| 10:35.55 | alexandru_g | What program (existent in Debian 6.0, at boot time), transforms the console 80 x 25 to a console with small characters ? |
| 10:35.57 | zck | TeddieeB: nice term |
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| 10:39.07 | RichiH | alexandru_g: you don't want a program, you want kernel video mode |
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| 10:39.29 | RichiH | alexandru_g: on top, you want terminus as your console font |
| 10:41.02 | alexandru_g | when I boot the kernel of Debian 6, I have output on the screen with 80 x 25 characters |
| 10:41.17 | alexandru_g | after init, the screen goes to small characters |
| 10:42.08 | alexandru_g | and I don't know what program (in the boot/init shell scripts) does the transformation of the console to smaller chars |
| 10:43.13 | alexandru_g | I thing that kernel video mode is different from framebuffer, right ? |
| 10:43.28 | mAniAk-_- | how can i add a driver to the debian netinstall image? |
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| 10:45.05 | soa2ii | If I want to log in with an empty key via ssh do I have to enable PermitEmptyPasswords? I just want to allow empty passwords in combination with keyfiles and not at all ... any suggestions? |
| 10:45.44 | daemonkeeper | An empty key? |
| 10:46.59 | soa2ii | daemonkeeper: keyfile without password, sorry. |
| 10:47.21 | daemonkeeper | SSH does not care whether your key is protected by a passphrase or not |
| 10:47.23 | joltcan | soa2ii: You don't need to change anything for that, it works by default |
| 10:47.28 | daemonkeeper | It won't even know |
| 10:47.44 | daemonkeeper | The server component I mean |
| 10:48.33 | soa2ii | joltcan: Hm. I created a key with ssh-keygen and inserted the public key in the authorized_keys file. But ssh asks still for a password |
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| 10:48.53 | daemonkeeper | You did something wrong then. Use ssh-copy-id |
| 10:48.59 | joltcan | soa2ii: probably wrong permission. ssh-copy-id ftw |
| 10:49.18 | joltcan | soa2ii: you need 0700 on the dir and 0600 on authorized keys. And your owner to own them both |
| 10:49.32 | soa2ii | uhh |
| 10:49.34 | soa2ii | okej wait |
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| 10:51.09 | soa2ii | Hm. Still not working :( |
| 10:51.23 | soa2ii | I changed PermitRootLogin to without-password btw |
| 10:51.42 | petemc | !debug sshd |
| 10:51.42 | dpkg | To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "/usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. See also <slow ssh connect>, <ssh permissions>. |
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| 10:57.30 | MasseR | I changed /etc/network/interaces 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' to 'iface eth0 inet static\n<snip>', and if I do ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 I do get the static address I assigned, but for example today it has different ip. what could be causing this? |
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| 10:59.52 | zck | MasseR: maybe you have installed some package like network-manager |
| 11:00.19 | MasseR | Nope |
| 11:00.49 | zck | MasseR: is some dhcp client running? like dhcp-client, pump... |
| 11:01.01 | MasseR | Darn, there is dhclient running |
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| 11:01.54 | MasseR | Thanks |
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| 11:19.22 | lyric | Hello, I have one development host and two production hosts. |
| 11:19.34 | lyric | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:21.31 | lyric | Shall I continue to use my shell scripts or is there some RPC-technology for this kind off stuff? |
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| 11:22.57 | lyric | The web interface on the development host should connect through ssl with the development hosts. |
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| 11:28.59 | norc_ | I have some masquerading set-up, and would like how to make the changes permanent (persistent through reboots) |
| 11:29.05 | kW | Does anybody know how to automatize "dpkg-reconfigure"? |
| 11:29.07 | norc_ | (Using iptables) |
| 11:29.53 | uoods | norc_: use iptables-save and iptables-restore |
| 11:30.04 | norc_ | uoods: so I have to do this manually? |
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| 11:30.34 | uoods | you can put those into /etc/networks/interfaces |
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| 11:31.39 | xk | norc_: have a look at "ferm" |
| 11:31.45 | xk | 100 times easier to create firewall rules. |
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| 11:33.21 | themill | dpkg: tell kW about debconf-set-selections |
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| 11:35.33 | kW | themill: How do I automatically set the default shell not to /bin/dash but to /bin/bash? echo "dash dash/sh boolean false" | debconf-set-selections; dpkg-reconfigure --priority high dash did not work |
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| 11:36.26 | norc_ | Ah! |
| 11:36.55 | norc_ | It's a piece of cake. Use iptables-save to back it up somewhere, then put a script into /etc/network/if-up.d/ to use iptables-restore |
| 11:36.58 | norc_ | and that's it. |
| 11:37.31 | themill | kW: using debconf in that way is more designed for preconfiguring than reconfiguring. BTW why are you trying to change /bin/sh? |
| 11:37.34 | dubcl_ | the cake is a lie |
| 11:38.04 | kW | themill: /bin/dash is not as user-friendly as /bin/bash |
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| 11:38.49 | themill | kW: your login shell is not /bin/sh (or at least it should not be) so the user will never see dash |
| 11:39.28 | kW | themill: well, unfortunately, this is exactly what I experience, the user sees dash |
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| 11:39.38 | jorgp | I am using testing inside of vmware fusion 3 and when X starts, there is no mouse or keyboard. What could it be? |
| 11:39.53 | themill | kW: that sounds like a serious misconfiguration then. What shell is listed in /etc/passwd for them? |
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| 11:40.30 | kW | themill: /bin/sh |
| 11:40.39 | kW | which seems to be the default |
| 11:40.45 | themill | kW: no, /bin/bash is the default |
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| 11:41.46 | themill | (except for a few system users that you'd never log in as) |
| 11:41.56 | kW | themill: <<echo "before: $(cat /etc/passwd | grep foo)"; useradd -m foo; echo "after: $(cat /etc/passwd | grep foo)">> returns << |
| 11:41.57 | kW | before: |
| 11:41.59 | kW | after: foo:x:1002:1002::/home/foo:/bin/sh |
| 11:42.00 | kW | >> |
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| 11:43.45 | themill | kW: use "adduser" instead for creating your users. If you really want to use useradd (e.g. you're using it in scripts), then either edit /etc/default/useradd as per its man page or give it the --shell option. |
| 11:44.22 | kW | themill: well, this is what I mean with the default shell.. ;-) |
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| 11:44.46 | kW | themill: nevertheless, the users are now already added, how can I simply make this debconf-option "active"? |
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| 11:45.54 | themill | kW: "adduser" is the recommended way of creating real users; that or configuring useradd properly if you really want that. (The installer will use /bin/bash for any users it creates; that's what I mean by default) |
| 11:46.05 | achadwick | kW: edit /etc/passwd with vipw. |
| 11:46.21 | achadwick | (and change their shells there. It's the final column.) |
| 11:46.32 | themill | kW: if you have to do this on many machines or on many users, using sed on /etc/passwd would be my approach |
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| 11:49.13 | kW | themill: sure (apart from that I still want bash to be invoked as /bin/sh to not enable extended features if not intended), but this does not solve the problem with dpkg-reconvigure dash |
| 11:49.18 | themill | kW: part of the reason for correctly setting your shell is that bash's startup behaviour is different if it is invoked as "sh" rather than "bash". |
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| 11:49.49 | themill | so even as an interactive shell, using /bin/sh -> bash would not behave the same as using /bin/bash, and that is definitely not what you want. |
| 11:50.28 | kW | sure |
| 11:50.58 | lyric | lyric |
| 11:51.11 | kW | however, I'm sure that I'll get to the point again where I set some property using debconf-set-selections, and then I want to "activate" these properties as if I was using dpkg-reconfigure, how can I do this in general? |
| 11:51.14 | themill | dpkg-reconfigure will not use the values in the debconf database to alter the settings that are currently in existence; it's not designed to do that and to do so would be to have it clobber manual configuration and that would be a bad thing |
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| 11:52.26 | kW | well, this a kind of manual configuration, just over many servers at once, and repeatably |
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| 11:55.10 | steampunkey | Hey, do you perhaps know a quick fix for an error msg Cheese's been giving me as of lately: "One or more needed GStreamer elements are missing: gconfaudiosrc, gconfvideosink." |
| 11:55.27 | steampunkey | not sure where those "elements" are |
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| 11:56.09 | steampunkey | apt-cache search is unable to find any package description that'd mentione them |
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| 12:03.05 | spal | where can I find the list of debian mirrors that i can use in /etc/apt/sources.list file? |
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| 12:03.50 | themill | !mirrors |
| 12:03.50 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
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| 12:11.55 | manchot | this is terribly off-topic. can anyone tell me where to hire some free-lance rewriters of English essays? |
| 12:12.23 | manchot | moving to #debian-officetopic |
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| 12:15.58 | spal | why is it that the mails I get in debian-users list and the ones posted in the linux.debian USENET group are different? |
| 12:16.36 | nevyn | because they're different thigns? |
| 12:16.47 | nevyn | one is a mailing list one is a newsgroup? |
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| 12:17.50 | spal | aren't they both the same? I thought all mailing list emails go into the newsgroup and vice versa. |
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| 12:18.29 | spal | ah, I should have been looking at the linux.debian.user newsgroup. |
| 12:18.41 | spal | linux.debian.user and debian-user mailing list are same. |
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| 12:20.29 | nevyn | ah. ok so there is a gateway'd group/mailing list |
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| 12:24.07 | themill | gmane does that |
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| 12:36.05 | lapsusbrutus | !webmin |
| 12:36.05 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 12:37.05 | lapsusbrutus | !free whcp |
| 12:37.05 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig>, <ispCP> Omega and <RavenCore>. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
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| 12:38.41 | Bushmills | "Webmin is a lame ... which was sponsored by SCO ..." |
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| 12:41.32 | stockholm | sco did that? |
| 12:41.35 | stockholm | pure evil! |
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| 12:42.42 | c0nsense | hey! i have a debian server with 3 directories, /home/web/site1.com, site2.com, site3.com. but the websites have a directory called EMK for example: /home/web/site1.com/EMK/ and i want add a user that JUST can access the folder EMT for site1, site2 and site3, any ideas? |
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| 12:44.43 | Bushmills | c0nsense: set directory permissions to user.www-data, and group permissions rx |
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| 12:45.24 | Bushmills | for the directory you only want the user access (+web server), remove world privileges |
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| 12:53.30 | Prajwal | guys can anyone help me with this ? http://pastebin.com/eR2UjZ9S |
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| 12:53.54 | Prajwal | remastersys dist mode on debian squeeze |
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| 13:02.09 | Prajwal | anyone here to help ? |
| 13:02.12 | lapsusbrutus | anyone can give me a advice for what iptables"frontend" I should use on my gateway? Its already got dnsmasq installed for dns dhcp |
| 13:02.35 | zgedneil | Prajwal: I was planning on hindering mainly but I could give it a shot |
| 13:02.53 | ikonia | lapsusbrutus: you can use something like fwbuilder to build the rules, then manually enter them and use iptables-save to store them |
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| 13:03.15 | lapsusbrutus | shorewall didnt meet my expectations when it comes to configuring it.. Had to create a lot of files from scratch, and not sure if they are read by program... :\ |
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| 13:03.28 | lapsusbrutus | ok thanks ikonia! Ill try fwbuilder |
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| 13:04.04 | Prajwal | zgedneil: sure any help is appreciated |
| 13:04.29 | zgedneil | actually it was kind of a joke thing, but never mind |
| 13:04.39 | Prajwal | hmm |
| 13:04.40 | zgedneil | doesn't look like something I have experience with I'm afraid |
| 13:05.16 | ikonia | lapsusbrutus: if you can help it, use fwbuilder to build the rules file, but don't deploy it using fwbuilder, deploy it by manually putting in the chains |
| 13:06.10 | Prajwal | ok np |
| 13:06.20 | lapsusbrutus | ohh ok:) sounds complicated since Im iptables-noob.. Buy I have to start learing sometime I guess. Ill give it a try :) Thanks for help |
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| 13:11.31 | JohnDoe234 | hello. I am trying to limit the overall download rate and upload rate on my linux machine using tc but I can't figure how to do this. All the tutorials that I have read are limiting on a per-port or traffic type, but none of them showed me how to do this globally. Can you help me with an example? Thank you in advance |
| 13:11.40 | ZyZ | hi, how to get the sendmail command? |
| 13:11.52 | ZyZ | when I type sendmail it sais command not found |
| 13:12.15 | ZyZ | I tried installing postfix and sendmail packages but no hlp |
| 13:12.33 | babilen | ZyZ: apt-file search -x "bin/sendmail$" -- You should already have sendmail installed |
| 13:13.23 | ZyZ | babilen: it said: bash: apt-file: command not found |
| 13:13.40 | Prajwal | guys can anyone help me with this ? http://pastebin.com/eR2UjZ9S remastersys dist mode on debian squeeze |
| 13:13.58 | babilen | ZyZ: Install it ;) |
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| 13:14.08 | ZyZ | ok |
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| 13:14.15 | Prajwal | apt-cache |
| 13:14.26 | babilen | ZyZ: Err.... I mean exim4 should already be installed which provides sendmail |
| 13:14.54 | babilen | ZyZ: What does "ls -l /usr/sbin/sendmail" give you? |
| 13:15.27 | themill | ZyZ: /usr/sbin isn't in the default user path so "sendmail" wouldn't be found. What are you really trying to do? |
| 13:16.05 | ZyZ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 Apr 13 13:10 /usr/sbin/sendmail -> /etc/alternatives/sendmail |
| 13:16.21 | ZyZ | OK, I guess I need to add /usr/sbin to my path |
| 13:16.27 | ZyZ | I know how to do this |
| 13:17.42 | themill | no, you probably don't need to do that at all. What are you trying to achieve here? |
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| 13:22.06 | ZyZ | themill: I'm wanting to send emails using sendmail |
| 13:22.20 | ZyZ | themill: it works, I just sent a mail to my gmail account |
| 13:22.54 | themill | ZyZ: there are plenty of nicer user-agents for sending email from the command line rather than talking to sendmail directly |
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| 13:23.44 | silidan | does anyone know if the recent update of teh initscripts fixed that /run problem on sid? |
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| 13:24.19 | themill | silidan: the bts would know |
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| 13:26.50 | silidan | hm... nothing i could find... is this right: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=620995 ? |
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| 13:28.47 | silidan | atm its kinda bad that i have to use modprobe snd-emu10k1 to get my soundcard working... |
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| 13:31.52 | dvs | silidan: you could put "snd-emu10k1" in your /etc/modules file. |
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| 13:32.50 | silidan | already in there |
| 13:32.58 | silidan | io wait |
| 13:33.10 | silidan | zits in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base ... sorry |
| 13:33.44 | silidan | kk |
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| 13:33.51 | silidan | its not in modules file yet |
| 13:33.55 | silidan | thanks for the hint |
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| 13:34.05 | dvs | np |
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| 13:34.37 | xreal | I'm always getting Permission denied when using start-stop-daemon: "./paleo start". When I start the whole comamnd from bash, it works perfectly. Who can help? http://paste.debian.net/113897/ |
| 13:34.57 | dvs | silidan: Actually, I'd run "grep snd-emu10k1 /etc/modprobe.d" to see that it isn't blacklisted |
| 13:35.05 | ddan | does anyone know if there are some plugins for mutter? |
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| 13:35.42 | xk | xreal: hmmm... maybe LOGFILE is owned by root? |
| 13:35.47 | silidan | yes Vater |
| 13:35.56 | xreal | xk: I've owned it to anyone for testing. |
| 13:36.02 | silidan | sry couldnt resist |
| 13:36.05 | xreal | "chowned" |
| 13:36.13 | xk | you can't chown to anyone :) |
| 13:36.40 | xk | xreal: bash -x paleo start |
| 13:36.48 | silidan | ill reboot |
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| 13:37.30 | xreal | 1 sec |
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| 13:38.30 | xreal | xk: http://paste.debian.net/113898/ |
| 13:38.58 | xk | ok |
| 13:39.08 | xk | you need to put -- after the first arg to --exec |
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| 13:39.44 | xk | cafuego: --exec /bin/blah -- args-to-bin |
| 13:39.46 | xk | er |
| 13:39.47 | xk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:40.23 | xreal | xk: That gives another error. 1 sec |
| 13:40.24 | silidan | ok, deleting teh /run/udev directory did the trick with the sound card... |
| 13:40.52 | silidan | now... i just kep windering why my system clock goes 2 hours ahead every time i boot |
| 13:40.58 | silidan | no matter how many times i set it |
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| 13:42.13 | Craigwd_2000 | Silidan: is DST currently On or Off..? That can affect what time your system clock says... |
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| 13:42.19 | xreal | xk: exception: bad lexical cast: source type value could not be interpreted as target |
| 13:42.41 | silidan | Craigwd_2000: how can i tel that? |
| 13:42.49 | xreal | xk: The reson is this => --exec /home/mapnik/wms/paleoserver/paleoserver -- /home/mapnik/wms/paleoserver/avv_config.json |
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| 13:42.54 | xk | that looks like a paleo error. |
| 13:43.09 | xreal | But it works when starting from bash. |
| 13:43.11 | xreal | 1 sec again |
| 13:43.22 | xk | this is what is done by ssh: --exec /usr/sbin/sshd -- $SSHD_OPTS |
| 13:43.31 | xk | so any args to the binary must be done after -- |
| 13:43.32 | xreal | xk: this works => /home/mapnik/wms/paleoserver/paleoserver /home/mapnik/wms/paleoserver/avv_config.json 2>&1 | tee -a /home/mapnik/wms/paleoserver/logfile.txt |
| 13:43.35 | Craigwd_2000 | Silidan: I really don't know... Which desktop enviroment are you using...? |
| 13:43.52 | silidan | Craigwd_2000: gnome |
| 13:44.33 | xk | dunno. I'm not familiar with forced logging to files and using start-stop-daemon |
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| 13:45.10 | xreal | xk: d'oh. Paleoserver isn't a daemon, so I can use screen or start-stop only :-( |
| 13:45.23 | xk | xreal: daemon? it doesn't go into the bg? |
| 13:45.57 | Craigwd_2000 | Silidan: sorry: I have no real experience with gnome... I would just search the Gnome Help System for Settings & see if anything related to Date & Time Settings comes up. Then double click on that particular help topic... Maybe that will give you some idea where to look for the Gnome Data & Time Settings app... |
| 13:46.27 | xreal | xk: No, but start-stop-daemon --background can do this. |
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| 13:50.14 | Craigwd_2000 | Silidan: I believe Gnome's help is called Yelp. If it's anything like KDE 3/4 just hitting F1 from the Gnome Desktop should open up Yelp for you... |
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| 13:55.08 | LanoX | Hey guys to install ubuntu how many cds do i need to download |
| 13:55.19 | xk | !ubuntu |
| 13:55.19 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 13:55.20 | LanoX | sorry debian |
| 13:55.30 | LanoX | sorry i meant debian |
| 13:55.38 | xk | most people download mini or business cd |
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| 13:55.57 | LanoX | aha okay thanks |
| 13:56.12 | xk | preferably business cd, since the installation process is done 99% from CD |
| 13:56.16 | abrotman | !netinst Lan |
| 13:56.17 | abrotman | !netinst LanoX |
| 13:56.19 | abrotman | bleh |
| 13:56.22 | abrotman | !tell lanox about netinst |
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| 13:56.39 | abrotman | the netinst is really preferred .. |
| 13:56.50 | deconvolution | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.50 | dpkg | deconvolution: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 13:57.02 | LanoX | Aha i just want to test the debian |
| 13:57.12 | LanoX | i used it long time a go but i would like to try it again |
| 13:57.14 | abrotman | !tell LanoX about livecd |
| 13:57.18 | LanoX | i am using ubuntu at the momment |
| 13:57.50 | deconvolution | LanoX, there are some noticeable difference between two. |
| 13:58.53 | LanoX | deconvolution, may ask like what |
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| 13:59.29 | LanoX | i understand that ubuntu is basicly build on debian |
| 13:59.49 | xk | what are your expectation and needs? |
| 14:00.07 | ethanol | ubuntu is more for the desktop user, debian for server. in my humble opinion. |
| 14:00.37 | LanoX | aha i see |
| 14:00.42 | deconvolution | LanoX, like startup, many user-friendly additional packages are installed in ubuntu by default |
| 14:00.46 | ethanol | if you want a rolling distribution based on debian, try mint? http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1604 |
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| 14:03.03 | deconvolution | LanoX, Ubuntu is more feasible to whom just need to use Linux for some a particular work without full range linux knowledge |
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| 14:10.18 | SIG_IGN | hello |
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| 14:11.26 | SIG_IGN | I have a question regarding Vodafone 3g modem (19d2:1008) . can anyone help ? |
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| 14:11.43 | Wulf | SIG_IGN: where's your question? |
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| 14:11.51 | xk | !question |
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| 14:12.03 | Wulf | SIG_IGN: how is it connected? pci? usb? other? |
| 14:12.04 | xk | !ask |
| 14:12.05 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 14:12.24 | SIG_IGN | The Modem connects and after 15 mins disconnects . worked flawlessly in lenny but not in squeeze |
| 14:12.29 | SIG_IGN | usb |
| 14:12.34 | SIG_IGN | its a flip-flop |
| 14:13.14 | twobitsprite | I'm trying to wget a large file from a website which requires a login cookie. any ideas on how best to do this? I've tried lynx and elinks, but neither will work with the login forms on the site |
| 14:13.23 | Wulf | SIG_IGN: what's in your syslog? |
| 14:13.39 | SIG_IGN | I read from somewhere blacklisting usb storage may work . but not feasible |
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| 14:13.44 | twobitsprite | I've also tried some hacks I found on forums for extracting the cookie from firefox's sqlite cookie db with no joy |
| 14:13.50 | khaleel5100 | hi on squeeze,when I plug in usb devices and copy data into them, the copying speed is about a few kbps! on windows same devices get 12+Mbps what to investigate? |
| 14:13.53 | Wulf | twobitsprite: libwww-perl |
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| 14:14.32 | twobitsprite | hmm... you mean, write a perl script to fill out the login form, save the cookie and then download the file? |
| 14:14.54 | Wulf | twobitsprite: is that a real http cookie? |
| 14:15.03 | twobitsprite | hmm, I'm not sure |
| 14:15.08 | Wulf | twobitsprite: go check it. |
| 14:15.17 | twobitsprite | how would I do that? |
| 14:15.40 | Wulf | twobitsprite: read the communication between browser and server. |
| 14:15.46 | SIG_IGN | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1203554 |
| 14:15.47 | twobitsprite | or, I guess I'm confused what the difference between a "real http" cookie and some other type of cookie would be |
| 14:16.30 | SIG_IGN | Is it for non standard protocol implementation ? |
| 14:16.35 | Wulf | twobitsprite: cookies can be used by javascript. And the server might give you special URLs with session IDs, etc. |
| 14:16.43 | twobitsprite | ahh |
| 14:17.08 | twobitsprite | hates web technology |
| 14:17.28 | Wulf | SIG_IGN: why are there 6 ttyUSB devices? |
| 14:17.53 | twobitsprite | anyways, thanks for the suggestion, I'll see what I can cook up |
| 14:18.10 | SIG_IGN | no idea it shud be 3 |
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| 14:18.22 | Wulf | SIG_IGN: why not one? |
| 14:18.57 | SIG_IGN | one is pseudo one for data transfer & one for SIM access |
| 14:19.18 | SIG_IGN | 0 for data 2 - for SMS via SIM |
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| 14:22.09 | SIG_IGN | I read somewhere ( i can give u the link) where it was said the modem disconnects itself of non standard protocol implementation. So it worked with 2.26 or 2.28 version but never with 2.32. A patch has been developed for the same and a newer kernel like 2.38 may help |
| 14:22.36 | SIG_IGN | but it is not a kernel bug |
| 14:23.12 | SIG_IGN | am I wrong ? |
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| 14:25.47 | Wulf | SIG_IGN: don't know. |
| 14:25.59 | shanepardue | Did I install gnome-shell incorrectly or are gtk2 apps not looking right just yet? |
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| 14:26.14 | SIG_IGN | ok |
| 14:26.34 | SIG_IGN | should I ask in debian-kernel channel ? |
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| 14:27.03 | Wulf | SIG_IGN: you could try to install a newer kernel |
| 14:27.14 | Wulf | or apply a patch to your kernel |
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| 14:27.26 | SIG_IGN | yes the more interesting story has just begun. |
| 14:27.42 | SIG_IGN | I installed 2.38.2 from liquorix |
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| 14:28.03 | SIG_IGN | The modem works but disconnects after 30- 45 minutes |
| 14:28.17 | SIG_IGN | The time period has increased |
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| 14:40.06 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 14:40.52 | Posterdati | please I'd like to install a compiled program (hptalx) in a user dir (creating bin, man and others dirs). Which is the best way to do it? |
| 14:40.53 | Posterdati | txc |
| 14:40.54 | Posterdati | thanks |
| 14:41.10 | Posterdati | sorry in a user home dir |
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| 14:42.05 | lilibox | hi, what is the most secure and easy to install Debian's VPN tunnel app? |
| 14:42.39 | petemc | openvpn works and isnt too hard to set up, as long as you can read |
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| 14:43.17 | xk | heh. vyatta's pretty cool for VPN stuff. |
| 14:43.24 | lilibox | nice, well, basicaly i need get access at web proxy anything like squid covered 80,8080,443 ports only |
| 14:43.26 | xk | but in the end, I just ripped the VPN configs it generated. |
| 14:43.39 | lilibox | i am noob and looking for solution for this |
| 14:43.46 | xk | !noob |
| 14:43.46 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
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| 14:44.00 | lilibox | is it better setup any traditional proxy rather? |
| 14:44.16 | xreal | Can anyone give me a hint, how to use pipe | in start-stop-daemon? |
| 14:44.33 | petemc | lilibox: a proxy and a vpn arent exactly the same thing |
| 14:44.48 | lilibox | i need some thing to be sure, transmition must be covered to some secure crypted shell, and must perform only when i will start internet browser on side of client |
| 14:44.57 | lilibox | no permanent connection servert-client |
| 14:45.02 | lilibox | any recomendation please? |
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| 14:45.41 | lilibox | petemc, yes, i know, then i wanna hint, is is better build connection on VPN or some special proxy is enough for what i need |
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| 14:45.50 | karlpinc | lilibox: The simplist thing to to is use -R when you connect with ssh. Read the man page. You can forward those ports through the ssh connection. |
| 14:45.58 | Bushmills | lilibox: i second openvpn |
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| 14:46.37 | karlpinc | lilibox: If you want something that's always there or a real VPN and not just a bit of port forwarding then I'd also say to use openvpn. |
| 14:47.17 | Bushmills | there's anytun, which is a bit simpler |
| 14:47.30 | lilibox | hmm |
| 14:47.30 | karlpinc | lilibox: Oops. I believe you want -L, not -R. |
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| 14:48.20 | lilibox | and second which is maybe more important, is any tool which will check if i have got direct connection server-client or is it managed or over any 3rd machine |
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| 14:48.39 | Bushmills | mtr |
| 14:48.49 | clausen | I have written a program, and I wonder how it gets into Debian |
| 14:49.02 | clausen | basically, I have to find a package maintainer willing to look after it, right? |
| 14:49.09 | clausen | how does this match-making process usually work? |
| 14:49.22 | lilibox | lemme try explanation, let see you are in some giant LAN and wanna be sure that access at proxy or vpn server is direct |
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| 14:49.36 | lilibox | not through over 3rd machine |
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| 14:49.38 | DammitJim | ok, I finally made a blog entry for Debian + e17 + lirc + XBMC :) |
| 14:49.41 | lilibox | is any chance to check it? |
| 14:49.49 | DammitJim | I hope at least 1 person gets to use it |
| 14:50.02 | tt | hi, does someone know why udev in squeeze does not create /dev/disk/by-path/... symlinks for open-iscsi anymore? i'm really going crazy over this |
| 14:50.02 | lilibox | if it is too lame question then sorry :) |
| 14:50.14 | daemonkeeper | tt: It does |
| 14:50.21 | tt | daemonkeeper: it should? |
| 14:50.28 | tt | daemonkeeper: doesnt work for me |
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| 14:50.40 | tt | daemonkeeper: was upgrading from lenny, where it worked nicely |
| 14:50.47 | daemonkeeper | tt: Think so, I recently used it in my test bed setup |
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| 14:51.01 | lilibox | both parts of LAN have different gateways is it proof that connection is not direct? |
| 14:51.16 | tt | daemonkeeper: can't start my VMs :( |
| 14:51.20 | Bushmills | no, not necessarily |
| 14:51.37 | lilibox | and how to check it? |
| 14:52.15 | Bushmills | route -n |
| 14:52.46 | lilibox | ok, thank you soo now, i will for a while shut up my mouth and use google for study |
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| 14:52.52 | lilibox | thank you guys for your help |
| 14:52.57 | lilibox | i will ask more later |
| 14:53.00 | clausen | maybe I should try a different tack! |
| 14:53.05 | Bushmills | you may have two /1 routes, 0.0.0.0/1 and 128.0.0.1, which can exists together with default route, but replace it completely |
| 14:53.08 | clausen | does anyone want to maintain a package for this: |
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| 14:53.23 | clausen | www.econ.upenn.edu/~clausen/computing/libwipe |
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| 14:54.06 | xk | hmm |
| 14:54.19 | lilibox | hmm |
| 14:55.04 | xk | clausen: does it work with selinux or grsec? |
| 14:55.13 | clausen | xk, it should work with anything! |
| 14:55.31 | clausen | xk, as long as it supports LD preloads |
| 14:55.45 | clausen | xk, the only fancy system call is clone(2) |
| 14:55.45 | tt | daemonkeeper: I think my ENV{ID_PATH} is empty, there is a rule that should create by-path symlinks, but AFAIK the rule is not matching as the variable is empty |
| 14:55.50 | xreal | Is there a way to get the pid of the nohup process, which got just started? |
| 14:56.38 | daemonkeeper | tt: I didn't upgrade from Lenny before, maybe something in /etc causes side effects after the upgrade |
| 14:56.40 | clausen | xk, I guess I should test it out :) |
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| 14:58.46 | clausen | xk, is there an easy way to "test" if it works with these? |
| 14:58.50 | clausen | xk, selinux seems to allow many policies |
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| 14:58.59 | xk | virtual machine? |
| 14:59.03 | clausen | xk, is there a default set of policies that I should test it against? |
| 14:59.21 | clausen | "selinux-policy-default" hehe |
| 14:59.22 | xk | see if it works with a few apps |
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| 14:59.31 | xk | while selinux is enabled. |
| 14:59.34 | xk | same for grsec. |
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| 15:00.22 | clausen | is app-armor related to selinux? |
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| 15:00.32 | clausen | (apt-get is telling me that app-armor is about to be removed...) |
| 15:00.57 | xk | clausen: for packaging, try #debian-devel on irc.oftc.net |
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| 15:01.03 | clausen | xk, thanks |
| 15:01.18 | xk | !sponsor |
| 15:01.18 | dpkg | sponsor is, like, a DD that uploads a package prepared by a maintainer that is not (yet) a DD, therefore trusting, verifying (hopefully) and accepting responsibility for the maintainer's work. See http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/new-maintainer#mentors |
| 15:01.52 | xk | app-armor is another security implementation system. |
| 15:02.02 | xk | so for testing, best to use a VM |
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| 15:02.58 | clausen | xk, thanks |
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| 15:03.30 | daemonkeeper | xk: #debian-mentors, not #debian-devel |
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| 15:03.35 | daemonkeeper | Same for you clausen |
| 15:03.39 | xk | oops |
| 15:03.50 | xk | my bad |
| 15:03.51 | clausen | thanks |
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| 15:04.45 | greycat | OK... I got an email from a web developer here who says "I am trying to use the command ssh2_connect through PHP but it appears that this has not been activated. Can you please install the library files or uncomment a line in php.ini or whatever it needs so I can use this command in my program?" The box is Lenny. I have NO friggin' clue about any of this PHP stuff. |
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| 15:05.06 | xk | greycat: never let a web developer have authority over systems |
| 15:05.26 | greycat | Does this require compiling PHP somehow specially, or just installing something, or changing a config file, or all of the above, or what? |
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| 15:06.12 | xk | looks like a PECL module. |
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| 15:06.21 | xk | judd: versions pecl |
| 15:06.22 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'pecl' was found in i386. |
| 15:06.31 | twobitsprite | greycat: http://kevin.vanzonneveld.net/techblog/article/make_ssh_connections_with_php/ |
| 15:06.55 | xk | dh-make-php? |
| 15:06.59 | greycat | W: Unable to locate package libssh2-php |
| 15:07.18 | twobitsprite | hmm |
| 15:07.46 | twobitsprite | ahh... stupid people claiming something works on debian just because it works in ubuntu |
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| 15:08.43 | ansgar | judd: versions libssh2-php |
| 15:08.44 | judd | Package libssh2-php on i386 -- lenny-backports: 0.11.0-2.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.11.0-2.1; sid: 0.11.2-1; wheezy: 0.11.2-1 |
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| 15:11.38 | tt | daemonkeeper: purging and reinstalling doesnt changing anything |
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| 15:13.17 | jhutchins_lt | suspects that very little good can come of mixing ssh and php. |
| 15:13.30 | twobitsprite | little good comes from php |
| 15:13.41 | apricot | Hi, I am trying to setup development debian environment to build sources of some apps. |
| 15:13.56 | apricot | Ih have installed almost all packages required for building. |
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| 15:14.38 | apricot | But getting there development libraries is a great pain. Is there a way to autoinstall dev libs of currently installed packages? |
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| 15:15.20 | ansgar | apricot: Something like apt-get build-dep? |
| 15:15.22 | greycat | apricot: if the thing you're building has been packaged, you can use "apt-get build-dep package" |
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| 15:15.34 | jhutchins_lt | apricot: Seriously? man aptitude. |
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| 15:16.28 | apricot | ansgar: thanks I will look into build-dep |
| 15:16.28 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 15:16.54 | gypsymauro | I've a server that runs debian etch, but I can't find the repository anymore..there is an archive ? |
| 15:17.11 | xk | !archive |
| 15:17.11 | dpkg | i heard archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 15:17.45 | ansgar | gypsymauro: Etch is dead. Upgrade to Lenny and maybe continue to Squeeze right away. |
| 15:17.48 | jhutchins_lt | !etch sources |
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| 15:18.26 | gypsymauro | ansgar: I can't right now, I'm scheduling an upgrade |
| 15:18.41 | ansgar | gypsymauro: There have been no security updates for Etch for >1 year. Please subscribe to the announcement lists when you administrate servers. |
| 15:19.12 | greycat | makes a note not to mention his sarge box to ansgar... |
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| 15:19.27 | xk | whats the ip address |
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| 15:19.34 | greycat | 10. something |
| 15:19.38 | xk | ;) |
| 15:19.40 | gypsymauro | ansgar: it's a intranet server with an old php product it's in a relatively secure place :) I hope to migrate it in this year |
| 15:19.42 | rgr | its like people using emacs 21 ... why? |
| 15:19.54 | greycat | I'd never use emacs. |
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| 15:20.12 | rgr | or even xemacs. brr. |
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| 15:21.10 | twobitsprite | is xemacs still bein developed? |
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| 15:29.07 | jelly | we've decommissioned a woody box last year |
| 15:29.26 | greycat | Congratulations? Or... aww? |
| 15:29.45 | xk | heh |
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| 15:31.24 | jelly | a couple internet facing sarges still alive |
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| 15:37.59 | syn4pse | hello |
| 15:38.23 | syn4pse | anybody happens to know a peace of software that works like dropbox ( only thig is that I want to administrate the server on my own ) |
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| 15:39.05 | petemc | a big part of dropbox is the clients os integration |
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| 15:39.41 | petemc | closest thing i could think of would be a vpn and any network fs |
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| 15:40.27 | Riviera | syn4pse: http://www.sparkleshare.org/ |
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| 15:42.06 | Digdilem | that doesn't seem to have windows clients? |
| 15:42.38 | Digdilem | it's such a good idea that i'm surprised if there isn't a mature oss copy out there somewhere, but i don't know of it :( |
| 15:43.14 | Riviera | It seems that they are working on a Windows client. |
| 15:43.31 | Riviera | Haven't tested it myself yet, though. |
| 15:43.39 | Bushmills | syn4pse: i use openvpn with nfs and autofs, which mounts remote export automatically when accessed |
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| 15:46.04 | dudz_ | if your using a network fs over a vpn i would recommend samba as aposed to nfs, as you get less problems when something becomes unavailable, nfs hangs |
| 15:46.13 | Digdilem | syn4pse, ifolder might be with a try |
| 15:46.44 | khaleel5000 | hi on squeeze,when I plug in usb devices and copy data into them, the copying speed is about a few kbps! on windows same devices get 12+Mbps what to investigate? |
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| 15:47.19 | dudz_ | sounds like your using usb1 when you get a few kbps |
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| 15:49.39 | khaleel5000 | i have hp dv5 laptop, it has usb 2.0 ports, the same usb in same port shows performance in mbps |
| 15:49.50 | khaleel5000 | there must be a module or setting issue? |
| 15:50.14 | crazy2k_ | Today I'll probably have to boot a machine from the network. I have not much knowledge about networks. Is it possible to do this with just the two computers and a wire? What's the difference with this and a connection through a router for the same task? |
| 15:50.44 | dondelelcaro | crazy2k_: it's possible to do that; there's not much difference |
| 15:50.48 | Bushmills | crazy2k_: yes, but you need a crossover cable, if there's no switch between the two machines |
| 15:50.52 | xk | i love flash |
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| 15:50.55 | xk | completely locked up firefox |
| 15:51.01 | petemc | crazy2k_: as long as the 2 nics can negotiate a link its the same |
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| 15:51.13 | petemc | Bushmills: most modern cards dont need x over |
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| 15:51.16 | dudz_ | crossover cable only if your network cards don't support auto-crossover perhaps |
| 15:51.50 | Bushmills | ok. let's say, crossover cable reduces the error potential |
| 15:52.06 | dudz_ | yes true, |
| 15:52.08 | zck | seya |
| 15:52.08 | crazy2k_ | petemc: In English? Just have a DHCP server on one machine and the wire? :) |
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| 15:52.42 | dudz_ | dhcp is optional |
| 15:52.47 | Bushmills | crazy2k_: look at dnsmasq, which provides dhcp server, resolver and tftp server all in one package |
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| 15:53.35 | crazy2k_ | I mean, is there any difference in configuration between the two approaches? |
| 15:53.56 | Bushmills | you need a tftp server on boot server |
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| 15:54.45 | crazy2k_ | But I needed that using the router too. |
| 15:54.53 | Bushmills | yes |
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| 15:55.00 | crazy2k_ | So there's no difference :P |
| 15:55.05 | Bushmills | right |
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| 16:12.45 | ws2k3 | hello guys i try to run a problem and i get libXtst.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 16:13.37 | Bushmills | ws2k3: seems your problem requires libXtst.so.6 which you haven't installed |
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| 16:14.45 | ws2k3 | yeah |
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| 16:16.14 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there every one .... i just installed debian 6 on my laptop here and i have some problem ... i cant connect to the internet using my wireless or my ethernet ( both are broadcom ) .... any help please |
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| 16:17.37 | xk | !firmware |
| 16:17.37 | dpkg | Firmware (sometimes termed "microcode") is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel modules require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Ask me about <listkeys firmware> and <search> my factoids. Some firmware is available via Debian packages. See also http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware and <installer firmware>. |
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| 16:18.11 | jhutchins_lt | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.11 | dpkg | Broadcom Corporation is an integrated circuits supplier. For wireless LAN chipset drivers, ask me about <b43>, <brcm80211>, <wl>. For Ethernet chipset support, ask me about <bnx2>, <bnx2x>, <tg3>. |
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| 16:21.26 | xk | hmm |
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| 16:25.51 | ChibaPet | o/ |
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| 16:35.15 | nsadmin2 | why does gnash depend on ^W^W have anything to do with dosfstools? |
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| 16:36.37 | themill | nsadmin2: I think you know what answer I'm going to give you already... |
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| 16:37.11 | nsadmin2 | doesn't care... it seems flawed, someone should fix it |
| 16:37.27 | nsadmin2 | it's not going to be me |
| 16:37.37 | ChibaPet | Where does it depend on dosfstools? |
| 16:37.41 | ChibaPet | Not seeing that in Squeeze. |
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| 16:38.02 | themill | nsadmin2: nothing is going to change unless you demonstrate that there is a bug and report it. |
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| 16:38.19 | themill | you should know better than "someone should fix it" |
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| 16:39.36 | nsadmin2 | if this "heads up" doesn't produce results, it won't be because I didn't say anything |
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| 16:39.52 | ChibaPet | Is this in Unstable or something? |
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| 16:40.02 | nsadmin2 | if people don't care to find out about it, they won't investigate |
| 16:40.05 | themill | ChibaPet: this is already fixed in wheezy, it's only in squeeze. |
| 16:40.08 | nsadmin2 | which is their perogative |
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| 16:40.17 | themill | nsadmin2: there's no such thing as a "heads up" on irc. The bts is for that. |
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| 16:40.31 | nsadmin2 | The following NEW packages will be installed: dosfstools{a} (etc) |
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| 16:40.54 | nsadmin2 | if you're correct, no one will investigate |
| 16:40.59 | nsadmin2 | fine with me :P |
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| 16:41.03 | kenro | what exactly is 'low-Id'? |
| 16:41.33 | ChibaPet | I'm not seeing that with Squeeze. Where's the pastebot? |
| 16:41.37 | ChibaPet | pastebot |
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| 16:41.55 | themill | ChibaPet: "aptitude why gnash dosfstools" will be enlightening for you |
| 16:42.05 | ChibaPet | Is that perhaps an aptitude bug? |
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| 16:42.30 | ChibaPet | apt-get isn't trying to pull dosfstools in |
| 16:42.32 | themill | ChibaPet: not at all. It's an overrated dependency of gstreamer0.10-plugins-* that has been fixed already |
| 16:43.24 | ChibaPet | I purged dosfstools here, and neither apt-get nor aptitude is suggesting dosfstools. |
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| 16:43.47 | ChibaPet | Where's the pastebot? I'll show you my session. |
| 16:43.52 | themill | ChibaPet: that will be down to your local configuration for apt then |
| 16:44.02 | ChibaPet | Dead standard. I'll share that too. |
| 16:44.50 | themill | ChibaPet: if you already have gstreamer packages installed then it wouldn't drag it in either. Follow the dependency chain that aptitude showed you |
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| 16:44.59 | Zitter | I have java 1.6 on squeeze, is it possible to update to 1.8, at least? I need that for jdownloader (with 1.6 it crashes) |
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| 16:45.19 | qwd | Anyone know if google-talkplugin works on Debian Squeeze AMD64 yet? |
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| 16:45.44 | ChibaPet | themill, ah - okay, recommends, not depends, but still a bit of an oddity |
| 16:46.12 | nsadmin2 | zitter it's possible but not necessariy as a squeeze package |
| 16:46.38 | Zitter | nsadmin, so which way I have to follow? |
| 16:46.52 | simonlnu | there is no pastebot |
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| 16:47.24 | themill | Zitter: where is this "java 1.8" from? |
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| 16:48.20 | jhutchins_lt | qwd: It works on squeeze i686 |
| 16:48.27 | kenro | Can ayone explain 'low-ID"\'? |
| 16:48.48 | kenro | Can ayone explain 'low-ID'? |
| 16:49.31 | jhutchins_lt | kenro: Context please. |
| 16:49.34 | simonlnu | context? |
| 16:49.41 | Zitter | themill, java 1.6 (installed via apt) crashes with jdownloader. JD team says that it depends on that version, that I have to upgrade. Now, I only know apt-get so I'm searching method to update java version. maybe with backports? i've tried but it seems it doesn't exist... maybe I have to download from sun.com and follow another way? |
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| 16:49.59 | kenro | There isn't a generic context? |
| 16:50.15 | kenro | Hi, agai, J. |
| 16:50.37 | qwd | jhutchins_lt: i686 is 32-bit though, right? |
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| 16:50.44 | themill | Zitter: I am not aware of any java 1.8 available from Sun (or now Oracle). |
| 16:50.54 | nsadmin2 | kenro: explain "explain" |
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| 16:51.03 | vasi | hi, i found a bug in ubuntu that also looks like it's present in debian, the source file has the exact same problem....do i have to install a debian system just to report the bug? is it ok to run reportbug from ubuntu? |
| 16:51.07 | nsadmin2 | in a generic context :) |
| 16:51.25 | kenro | ... |
| 16:51.28 | simonlnu | vasi: the reportbug stuff will go to ubuntu |
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| 16:51.48 | jhutchins_lt | qwd: Yes. |
| 16:51.52 | vasi | simonlnu: it looks like ubuntu's reportbug supports an option '-B debian' to send it to debian |
| 16:51.56 | nsadmin2 | or, explain 0oierrdf <- random word |
| 16:52.04 | jhutchins_lt | !ask |
| 16:52.04 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:52.07 | vasi | i'm more worried about whether folks will see that distro = natty and not look at the bug |
| 16:52.13 | themill | kenro: no-one has any idea what you're talking about. Unless you ask a more detail question, that will remain the case and you won't get an answer. |
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| 16:52.52 | kenro | Anyway, while on gnutella et al (incrimination!) I get a message that I have low ID. |
| 16:52.52 | simonlnu | vasi: well, you'll get even less help here about it ;). don't worry. |
| 16:52.56 | nsadmin2 | kenro: it's evident that people aren't responding |
| 16:53.10 | ChibaPet | I see no low-ID here. |
| 16:53.24 | kenro | I think it requires port forwarding? |
| 16:53.28 | nsadmin2 | isn't it apparant they might not recognize the token/word/whatever? |
| 16:53.43 | vasi | simonlnu: ok, i'll give it a shot |
| 16:53.44 | ChibaPet | Kenro, please deliver a more complete gestalt with your question. |
| 16:54.04 | simonlnu | vasi: just file the bug with the default -B |
| 16:54.09 | vasi | getting from "i found a bug and here's a patch" to "yay, fix released!" is suprisingly difficult :( |
| 16:54.22 | simonlnu | not always |
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| 16:54.27 | zgedneil | suspects ChibaPet previously laid a bet about how quickly he could use "gestalt" in a supposedly reasonable-sounding sentence |
| 16:54.44 | kenro | ~facepalm~ Let me get back to you. Apparantly, I'm having another non-repeatable error. |
| 16:54.50 | Zitter | themill, yeah you're right lol. but java version "1.6.0_24" is the last one? |
| 16:54.51 | ChibaPet | My anglolinguiphilia is boundless. |
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| 16:55.07 | simonlnu | *groan* |
| 16:55.21 | zgedneil | your pasta is what now? :-) |
| 16:55.28 | themill | Zitter: that's the same java that is in the sun-java6-jre package that you will find in debian already |
| 16:55.38 | jhutchins_lt | vasi: As people have pointed out here, it depends a lot on how critical the bug is and how common/popular/essential the package is. |
| 16:55.54 | jhutchins_lt | vasi: Took about two years for RedHat to apply my patch. |
| 16:56.00 | Zitter | themill, ok understand, thanks :) |
| 16:56.23 | qwd | jhutchins_lt: just checked the changelog, no update since 2010-12-14, some google person wrote "We are still in the process of porting this code." in january this year. pretty sure this is the version I tried last time with no luck :( |
| 16:56.48 | vasi | jhutchins_lt: yeah, i know i'm just whining, i should knock it off....debian's actually better than most! gentoo applied my patch, and then accidentally overwrite it a month later :P |
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| 16:57.37 | orudie | when i resize disk with gparted for debian, the swap partition is on the way and it doesn't let me resize to larger size, any ideas ? |
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| 16:58.06 | simonlnu | i've had mvery much mostly good experience with the dds and bugs |
| 16:58.09 | vasi | orudie: you could delete the swap partition and make a new one where you want it? |
| 16:58.28 | kenro | Oh, also is guarddog firewall still in Debia? |
| 16:59.25 | orudie | vasi, i tried that, when I delete the swap partition, it becomes unallocated space , but this unallocated space is still separate from the rest of the unallocated space |
| 16:59.27 | simonlnu | ask judd (,info package) |
| 17:00.12 | vasi | orudie: are some of these partitions extended? |
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| 17:02.11 | waterloo2005 | in debian 6 , how to install equinox gtk theme engine ? thx , where is its deb file ? can i use ubuntu's deb file for it ? |
| 17:02.31 | orudie | vasi, how can i check ? |
| 17:03.06 | ChibaPet | "apt-cache search equinox" shows "libequinox-osgi-java - Equinox OSGi framework" - I'll assume that's not what you want. |
| 17:03.39 | orudie | vasi, the swap partition is extended |
| 17:03.49 | waterloo2005 | ChibaPet, not that , |
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| 17:04.09 | vasi | orudie: hmm are there more extended partitions afterwards? i think if it's not the last extended part, it could be hard to reclaim the space :S |
| 17:04.41 | orudie | vasi, no, only the swap is extended |
| 17:05.05 | vasi | orudie: oh, i know....probably there's a partition that represents the ENTIRE "extended partition" |
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| 17:06.16 | kenro | ok ok so guarddog is still in Debian. Curious, then, that synaptic doesn't show it. |
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| 17:07.08 | orudie | vasi, I uploaded screenshot http://postimage.org/image/2kolnlkhw/ |
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| 17:07.36 | vasi | orudie: right, so sda2 represents ALL the extended partitions |
| 17:07.40 | vasi | you have to get rid of that |
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| 17:08.04 | vasi | then you can expand your sda1, and create a new swap partition |
| 17:08.12 | ws2k3 | hello guys i have a server that goes to a datacenter one these days. i use xfce to configure my vmware workstation. is it possible that on boot default not boot xfce to spare out ram. and i i need it i can start it? |
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| 17:08.18 | orudie | vasi, can you walk me through this please |
| 17:08.20 | vasi | make sure you fixup your /etc/fstab afterwards so it can still find your swap |
| 17:08.26 | ws2k3 | because most of the times the server run xfce can be turned off. |
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| 17:09.12 | vasi | ws2k3: if it's in a datacenter, you probably want to disable X entirely |
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| 17:10.23 | kenro | Mr McGee... please make me angry. I enjoy it waaaay too much when I'm angry. |
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| 17:10.41 | vasi | ws2k3: you can use a services-editor like sysv-rc-conf to disable gdm |
| 17:10.41 | orudie | vasi, i'm so lost, not sure what to do in gpated |
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| 17:10.49 | vasi | (or whatever your desktop manager is) |
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| 17:11.06 | vasi | orudie: yup, i'm coming, patience :) |
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| 17:11.30 | ubd | hello where is the dhcp file? |
| 17:11.33 | vasi | orudie: ok, so where it says "/dev/sda2", you see that? |
| 17:11.39 | orudie | vasi, yup |
| 17:12.02 | vasi | ok, that partition sda2 is like container for other partitions |
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| 17:12.08 | vasi | and sda5 is inside it |
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| 17:12.36 | vasi | so if you just delete sda5, your swap partition....sda2 is still there, blocking expansion of sda1 |
| 17:12.41 | vasi | make sense so far? |
| 17:12.59 | waterloo2005 | when I boot , I find ' starting deferred execution scheduler: atd failed ' . How to do with it ? Thanks |
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| 17:13.20 | orudie | vasi, yup, i deleted sda5 |
| 17:13.40 | vasi | orudie: right, but sda2 is still there, and it's blocking you from expanding sda1 |
| 17:13.45 | vasi | so you need to delete sda2 as well |
| 17:14.05 | orudie | vasi, yup deleted sda2, looks better |
| 17:14.17 | vasi | ok, now can you expand sda1 to the size you wish? |
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| 17:14.31 | orudie | vasi, okay will do, what about swap ? |
| 17:14.54 | vasi | after you've expanded sda1, you'll have to re-create a swap partition |
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| 17:15.16 | vasi | so go ahead and do all that, and then i'll walk you through the last part |
| 17:16.27 | orudie | vasi, ok created swap at the end |
| 17:16.29 | ws2k3 | vasi is there also a graphics services editor |
| 17:16.36 | nsadmin2 | I suppose he backed up before all this |
| 17:16.40 | ws2k3 | or is this console based? |
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| 17:17.10 | nsadmin2 | services? |
| 17:17.20 | vasi | ws2k3: i suppose there are probably some graphical editors |
| 17:17.41 | vasi | but i recommend you get used to doing it at the console if you're gonna have a server in a datacenter |
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| 17:18.29 | orudie | vasi, should I apply in gparted and restart ? |
| 17:18.31 | ubd | pls someone tell me how do i configure dhcp? |
| 17:18.35 | vasi | orudie: not yet |
| 17:18.47 | kenro | if debian.org pkg search engine shows guarddog, why doesn't synaptic? |
| 17:19.06 | vasi | orudie: well you can apply, but we're gonna make some changes after |
| 17:19.10 | ws2k3 | vasi i know |
| 17:19.18 | vasi | orudie: before you restart |
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| 17:20.27 | vasi | kenro: does 'apt-cache search guarddog' find it? |
| 17:20.38 | orudie | vasi, i hit apply and operations completed successfully |
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| 17:20.58 | vasi | orudie: awesome, so i'm assume your sda1 is a root filesystem, right? you wish to boot from it? |
| 17:21.02 | vasi | *assuming |
| 17:21.17 | ws2k3 | if its possible at console i prefer console |
| 17:21.22 | orudie | vasi, thats right, the swap shows sda2 instead of sda5 though |
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| 17:21.43 | vasi | orudie: that's fine, as long as you don't intend to add lots more partitions |
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| 17:22.06 | vasi | ok, so now mount sda1, and take a look at the "etc/fstab" file within it |
| 17:22.16 | orudie | vasi, okay, reboot ? |
| 17:22.18 | vasi | is there a line in there that mentions swap? |
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| 17:22.32 | vasi | orudie: no, i'll tell you when to reboot :P |
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| 17:23.58 | orudie | vasi, okay I opened the terminal, what should I do there ? |
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| 17:24.16 | vasi | orudie: do you know how to mount a filesystem? |
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| 17:24.32 | vasi | you can also do it from your graphical environment if you want |
| 17:24.35 | vasi | (gnome, kde, whatever) |
| 17:24.36 | orudie | vasi, i've done it before |
| 17:24.46 | vasi | ok, so mount sda1 |
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| 17:25.09 | vasi | and then look at the file etc/fstab inside it, with a text editor or 'less' or whatever |
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| 17:25.50 | orudie | vasi, well i'm still in gparted, the only option I have there is gparted or terminal |
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| 17:26.34 | vasi | ok ok, so use the terminal to mount sda1 and look at etc/fstab, i don't care how you do it :) |
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| 17:27.22 | orudie | vasi, how can I mount sda1 ni terminal, sorry ... |
| 17:27.53 | vasi | orudie: oh k, first make a directory where you'll mount it: mkdir mnt |
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| 17:28.07 | vasi | then actually mount it: mount -o ro /dev/sda1 mnt |
| 17:28.12 | vasi | (you'll have to do that as root) |
| 17:28.27 | keith4 | so... i upgraded a box to squeeze last night, and it won't boot anymore. keeps kernel panicking in different and wonderful ways. i can't find it filed as a debian bug anywhere, but it's very similar (the same?) as this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/576302 |
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| 17:29.14 | jhutchins_lt | keith4: Intel graphics? |
| 17:29.38 | keith4 | jhutchins_lt: negative |
| 17:29.43 | jhutchins_lt | keith4: raid? |
| 17:30.03 | keith4 | nope. it's an IBM intellistation z pro 6221. onboard SCSI, but no raid |
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| 17:30.34 | keith4 | from some of the panic screens (and the ubuntu bug report), it looks like the kernel is hating on the fusion MPT controller |
| 17:30.37 | abrotman | keith4: if you boot the lenny kernel ? (if it will) |
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| 17:31.03 | Enverex | For some reason GDM has gone into a loop and just opens, half appears, immediately dies, reopens, dies, repeat forever |
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| 17:31.25 | keith4 | abrotman: i got some weirdness due to udev upgrade, then. i can try again tonight. (i reverted to a backup, last night) |
| 17:31.35 | abrotman | weirdness? |
| 17:31.39 | abrotman | did you read the release notes? |
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| 17:32.00 | keith4 | not recently ;-) |
| 17:32.07 | ChibaPet | keith, did you boot the new kernel first? |
| 17:32.21 | orudie | vasi, okay i'm in fstab |
| 17:32.38 | vasi | ok, so is there a line in there that refers to swap? |
| 17:32.41 | Enverex | Anyone experienced this before? The X log looks pretty normal, nothing odd there. Same for the GDM log. |
| 17:32.41 | ChibaPet | udev errors tend to come from trying to install the new udev over the old running kernel |
| 17:32.47 | keith4 | ChibaPet: yep. in various combinations of single user, bigmem, and non-bigmem. all 2.6.32 boot attempts panicked |
| 17:33.02 | vasi | orudie: if you can paste the line, that would be great :) |
| 17:33.30 | Enverex | Scratch that, the older log has the error: failed to revalidate. Xorg: ../../radeon/radeon_cs_gem.c:181: cs_gem_write_reloc: Assertion `boi->space_accounted' failed. |
| 17:33.32 | ChibaPet | keith, you installed and booted a new kernel individually, before trying to install udev? not sure how you got to a udev install if you didn't have a successfully booted kernel |
| 17:33.39 | keith4 | i was saying that when i booted back into the lenny kernel (2.6.26), it didn't panic, but iirc, the new udev in squeeze requires > 2.6.26 |
| 17:33.52 | orudie | vasi, http://paste.debian.net/113913/ |
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| 17:34.06 | ChibaPet | the new kernel booted and ran well enough to install the new udev? |
| 17:34.13 | keith4 | ChibaPet: no, you misunderstand |
| 17:34.13 | ChibaPet | and then started panicking? |
| 17:34.29 | keith4 | lemme start over..... |
| 17:34.35 | vasi | orudie: ok, so you see how the line referring to swap starts with UUID=42cf4f80-72e6-4cb8-aef6-61d83a81de01 ? |
| 17:34.37 | ChibaPet | the alternative is that you tried upgrading udev on an old kernel, which is a guaranteed failure |
| 17:34.44 | orudie | vasi, yup |
| 17:34.53 | vasi | we want to make sure your new swap has that UUID, so that your system can find it |
| 17:34.53 | keith4 | i did a lenny->squeeze upgrade, including new udev and new kernel, and then rebooted |
| 17:34.59 | debuser1 | Hello |
| 17:35.09 | vasi | so do mkswap -U 42cf4f80-72e6-4cb8-aef6-61d83a81de01 /dev/sda2 |
| 17:35.10 | ChibaPet | ok, you didn't boot the new kernel before installing udev, and it broke |
| 17:35.24 | ChibaPet | you can't install both at the same time on that upgrade |
| 17:35.26 | vasi | and that will assign the old UUID to your new swap |
| 17:35.31 | debuser1 | I have an ATI card, today I updated to kernel 2.6.38-2 from 2.6.32 and now the ATI card installer crashes (catalyst 11-3) during install |
| 17:35.35 | keith4 | ChibaPet: udev is not the problem... the new kernel panicks immediately after loading |
| 17:36.10 | keith4 | i have some (literal) screenshots. stand by. |
| 17:36.15 | ChibaPet | ok |
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| 17:36.32 | ChibaPet | suggestion, though - back up data, do a fresh install, restore user data |
| 17:36.51 | ChibaPet | and always always always boot a new kernel first, and see that it works before you start updating other packages |
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| 17:37.36 | orudie | vasi, thanks, all worked very well |
| 17:37.53 | vasi | ok, so now that you've run mkswap, you can reboot and it should work |
| 17:38.04 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 17:38.05 | keith4 | ChibaPet: that's my next step... see if a fresh squeeze 64-bit install exhibits the same behavior |
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| 17:39.16 | keith4 | apologies for crooked, blurry, and too big ;-) http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=147982 |
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| 17:40.25 | keith4 | this is how i found the bug, with the "unexpected doorbell active!" error (awesome error message): http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=147984 |
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| 17:40.40 | DammitJim | ha, that looks like what happened to me over the weekend |
| 17:40.43 | DammitJim | is that on wheezy? |
| 17:41.09 | keith4 | nope. squeeze |
| 17:41.12 | ChibaPet | Keith, hm. I have little to suggest, but if it were me I'd try a fresh install |
| 17:41.15 | DammitJim | oh weird |
| 17:41.45 | DammitJim | keith4, I'd say that's your only option if you don't have a lot of time... fresh install |
| 17:41.59 | keith4 | ChibaPet: yah. going to try that, with the SCSI controller... and also do the squeeze upgrade again with the SCSI controller disabled (must have another SATA disk kickin' around somewhere) |
| 17:42.09 | keith4 | oh, time is not an issue ;-) |
| 17:42.42 | keith4 | more fun: http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=147985 and http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=147986 |
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| 17:44.49 | Prajwal | is there any way i can make my changes global - ie my settings as root should apply to all users and also same should happen whenver a new user is created |
| 17:45.52 | jhutchins_lt | Prajwal: Yes. |
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| 17:46.08 | Prajwal | how do i do that? |
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| 17:46.45 | robokop | Prajwal: depends on the program it should apply to |
| 17:47.06 | Prajwal | robokop: consider them to be general menu edits theme settings ...blah blah |
| 17:47.26 | keith4 | I guess I should also suspect the SCSI disk itself... |
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| 17:47.38 | robokop | which desktop environment? |
| 17:47.45 | robokop | Prajwal: gnome? |
| 17:48.09 | Prajwal | yes |
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| 17:49.16 | robokop | gconftool as root |
| 17:49.25 | jhutchins_lt | Doesn't gnome store all it's settings in the registry as encrypted keys? |
| 17:49.30 | deadbeef | guys i've a problem, on a machine the kernel seems to be 64bit but i can't install the 64bit sun jvm (and the 32bit one works like a charm) |
| 17:49.40 | ws2k3 | hello guys i have installed sysv-rc-conf and i'm editing it a little bit. but what is 1 2 3 4 5 0 6 S what are those ? |
| 17:49.41 | deadbeef | how to know the real architecture, other than uname -a ? |
| 17:49.56 | jhutchins_lt | uname -m |
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| 17:50.03 | Prajwal | ok thanks robokop i will try |
| 17:50.04 | robokop | jhutchins_lt: not encrypted, in xml (also some kind of encryption i guess |
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| 17:50.26 | davidd | hello |
| 17:50.33 | deadbeef | jhutchins_lt: it says x64 |
| 17:50.34 | robokop | Prajwal: you can also handedit /etc/gconf/* |
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| 17:51.33 | ompaul | deadbeef: so there you have it, you know the machine you are on |
| 17:51.41 | robokop | Prajwal: for example make the wanted modifications on an account with a clean/empty gconf directory, and merge it into gconf directory |
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| 17:52.18 | deadbeef | ompaul: but there is no way to install the 64bit sun jvm, when the 32bit one runs fine |
| 17:52.19 | Prajwal | thanks robokop will try and revert back to you :) |
| 17:52.32 | davidd | i have a weird issue with my sound. i have 2 soundcards, 1 audigy 1 internal. i can hear the mic but via de speakers, but i dont read it in pulseaudio. Skype tries to acces the mic via pulse |
| 17:53.05 | davidd | mic and speakers both on my audigy |
| 17:53.40 | ompaul | deadbeef: stable/testing/sid/experimental? |
| 17:53.48 | davidd | sid |
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| 17:54.07 | ompaul | deadbeef: have to run back later |
| 17:54.38 | ws2k3 | hello guys i have installed sysv-rc-conf and i'm editing it a little bit. but what is 1 2 3 4 5 0 6 S what are those ? |
| 17:55.26 | ZykoticK9 | ws2k3, those are the run levels |
| 17:55.43 | ZykoticK9 | ws2k3, S = Single User mode |
| 17:55.50 | ws2k3 | aah oke |
| 17:55.57 | ws2k3 | and i dont have any experience with runlevels |
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| 17:56.21 | nsadmin2 | gain some |
| 17:56.26 | ws2k3 | is there a wiki pages about that or something |
| 17:56.45 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Runlevels really don't mean anything in Debian. |
| 17:57.05 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: You can set them up for specialized uses, but the default is 2, 2-5 are the same. |
| 17:57.13 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: 0 is shutdown, 6 is reboot. |
| 17:57.26 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: 1 is single-user or rescue mode. |
| 17:57.36 | nsadmin2 | there are many runlevels, but by default they're all the same (well 2 - 5) |
| 17:57.55 | ws2k3 | so if i wanne edit things |
| 17:57.59 | ws2k3 | in my default boot |
| 17:58.06 | ws2k3 | i only need to edit 2? |
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| 17:59.52 | nsadmin2 | you can do that, but just a moment: squeeze uses a different system which I don't know exactly how it all works... the old system had many scripts in /etc/init.d, each of which would start and stop one particular service |
| 18:00.41 | nsadmin2 | a "runlevel" is a directory that has links to those scripts which specify order and what to start and what to stop |
| 18:01.03 | nsadmin2 | that's how the old system worked |
| 18:02.14 | ws2k3 | so i only should edit 2? |
| 18:02.50 | nsadmin2 | now, things have an order that is defined by dependencies |
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| 18:04.00 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: What do you want to change? |
| 18:04.04 | nsadmin2 | so I think you can set things up so that for esxample a time service that gets the time off the net. so that it only starts if the net has started |
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| 18:08.58 | rendar | it seems i can't find pthread.h in my debian, i have to apt-get install something? |
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| 18:11.19 | Roenbaeck_iPhone | Anyone available to give advice on setting up SSDs for maximum performance? |
| 18:11.30 | Bushmills | rendar: yes |
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| 18:11.36 | MrBIOS | hey folks |
| 18:11.39 | rendar | Bushmills: what? |
| 18:11.44 | MrBIOS | is there an ARM-specific debian channel? |
| 18:11.49 | Bushmills | rendar: apt-file can tell you |
| 18:12.10 | rendar | command not fonud |
| 18:12.11 | rendar | found* |
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| 18:12.23 | Roenbaeck_iPhone | P |
| 18:12.46 | Bushmills | rendar: i remember you having mentioned apt-get already :) |
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| 18:13.13 | rendar | Bushmills: i have apt-get, but not apt-file, can't you tell me simply what i have to install to have pthread.h? |
| 18:13.54 | Bushmills | rendar: no, because there are several packages providing pthread.h, and i don't know which one you need |
| 18:14.28 | rendar | i have tried to install libpthread-stubs0 and libpthread-stubs0-dev but it doesn't installed nothing, as they're already in the system |
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| 18:14.53 | Bushmills | that's where apt-file will be useful |
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| 18:15.11 | rendar | yes but i don't have that command.. |
| 18:15.22 | nsadmin2 | what does gnash need to hook to a browser? |
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| 18:15.38 | Bushmills | rendar: when i installed debian, i also didn't have it |
| 18:15.44 | ChorlaMan | HI to everybody |
| 18:15.57 | rendar | Bushmills: apt-get install apt-file?! |
| 18:16.02 | Bushmills | !notfound |
| 18:16.09 | Bushmills | yes |
| 18:16.09 | ws2k3 | uhmm i wanne change thins in the boot up |
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| 18:17.44 | Bushmills | ws2k3: that's nice |
| 18:17.53 | ws2k3 | wich runlever i need to edit then? |
| 18:18.01 | rendar | Bushmills: apt-file search pthread.h gives me a bunch of packages... |
| 18:18.08 | Bushmills | rendar: exactly. |
| 18:18.16 | Bushmills | (20:13:54) Bushmills: rendar: no, because there are several packages providing pthread.h, and i don't know which one you need |
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| 18:18.48 | rendar | Bushmills: i need pthread.h in my program...i need that file installed to the system, so i can write #include <pthread.h> in my .c file.. |
| 18:19.26 | Bushmills | wasn't it your program, i'd say "ask the author which one the program needs" |
| 18:19.47 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Tell us what you want to change and how. One does not usually "edit" a runlevel. |
| 18:19.51 | ws2k3 | buashmills wich runlevel i should edit then ? |
| 18:20.11 | rendar | Bushmills: in that list there are so many packages that i don't need, doesn't exist a package which simply install pthread files for developing? |
| 18:20.19 | Bushmills | ws2k3: the one which, when you switch to it, should perform the changes |
| 18:20.28 | ws2k3 | i use sysv-rc-conf |
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| 18:21.35 | Bushmills | rendar: sorry, you say "i need pthread.h" - there's a list of packages which provide a phread.h. which package your program need is what you should know. i suppose you want the one which corresponds to the library you're linking your program against. |
| 18:21.38 | ws2k3 | its the first time i use it i have not experience with it for example i wanne disable xfce so that when i boot xfce is not allways running because this server is going to a data center then it has not use that xfce is allways running |
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| 18:22.02 | rendar | Bushmills: i'm not linking any library.. |
| 18:22.05 | jhambo | Hi folks I'm running squeeze here and kmix doesn't allow me to control the headphone volume. I can control it from alsamixer but not from kmix. kmix only gives me one control that alters both the speaker and headphone volume. In lenny, kmix gave me independent control over both the headphone and speaker volume. How can I fix this? |
| 18:22.25 | rendar | Bushmills: i just need posix threads installed, did you got? |
| 18:22.27 | dondelelcaro | rendar: it's libc6-dev, and you have to link to a library to use pthreads... |
| 18:22.33 | Bushmills | ws2k3: in /etc/inittab is specified what run level your system switches to at boot. you can find out what runlevel it is in by excecuting "runlevel" |
| 18:22.41 | dondelelcaro | !tell rendar -about search |
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| 18:22.51 | rendar | dondelelcaro: yes, i need to link libpthread, but not these libs are listed in apt-file |
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| 18:23.30 | dondelelcaro | rendar: uh... libpthread is certainly listed in apt-file... |
| 18:23.42 | rendar | dondelelcaro: i have searched that with apt-cache search of course, and i got only libpthread-stubs0 and libpthread-stubs0-dev, i've tried to install them, but it doesn't installed, so i asked here |
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| 18:24.01 | Bushmills | rendar: then filter output of apt-file on "posix", and do "apt-get show <package>" to read about whether it is what you need |
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| 18:24.09 | ws2k3 | there is standing 2-5 is multi user so thats default |
| 18:24.14 | dondelelcaro | rendar: apt-cache search isn't apt-file search. You want apt-file search libpthread |
| 18:24.23 | ws2k3 | so i need to edit all tree of them? |
| 18:24.29 | rendar | dondelelcaro: i dunno, btw, apt-file search pthread.h|grep libpthread doesn't produce any result |
| 18:24.59 | dondelelcaro | rendar: because there isn't a separate libpthread package. libpthread is part of libc6 |
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| 18:25.50 | rendar | dondelelcaro: uhm, ok..indeed i'm trying with libc6-dev |
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| 18:26.04 | dondelelcaro | rendar: so... what's the problem? |
| 18:26.05 | gnugr | rendar: install glibc-doc then check out /usr/share/doc/glibc-doc/html/chapters_34.html, which is an overview of pthreads |
| 18:26.29 | rendar | dondelelcaro: nothing, just can't find pthread.h, but now i'm installing libc6-dev, it should work |
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| 18:26.41 | rendar | gnugr: thanks |
| 18:27.38 | rendar | that's incredibile, also after installing libc6-dev an #include <pthread.h> gives me 'no such file or directory'... |
| 18:27.41 | erAbuelo | buenas |
| 18:27.42 | rendar | :( |
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| 18:28.13 | Bushmills | rendar: ldconfig |
| 18:28.21 | dondelelcaro | Bushmills: you don't need to use ldconfig. |
| 18:28.40 | dondelelcaro | rendar: what is the precise line you are using to compile? |
| 18:28.41 | Bushmills | if he installed a version with new lib path, he would |
| 18:28.56 | dondelelcaro | Bushmills: this is Debian, and it's libc6. |
| 18:28.56 | rendar | g++ main.cpp -lpthread |
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| 18:29.23 | dondelelcaro | rendar: g++ -I/usr/include -lpthread main.cpp; |
| 18:29.28 | rendar | ok |
| 18:29.54 | rendar | nothing, no pthread.h found.. |
| 18:30.09 | dondelelcaro | rendar: and make sure /usr/include/pthread.h exists (it will if you've actually installed libc6-dev) |
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| 18:30.34 | oznt | hi everyone |
| 18:30.44 | eni23 | hello at all. i iave a question. i have a vserver with debian. today i want to use iftop (never used before on this server). im logged in as root and it says me: "pcap_open_live(eth0): socket: Operation not permitted" why that? got hacked? |
| 18:30.55 | oznt | i need help setting the correct umask on automounted usb, can someone help me ? |
| 18:31.31 | cahoot | gnome? |
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| 18:31.38 | rendar | dondelelcaro: that's incredibile, /usr/include/ptread.h exists, but your exact command gives me 'no such file or directory' |
| 18:31.43 | daemonkeeper | eni23: Your VPS might not allow to set the interfase into promiscuous mode |
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| 18:32.09 | DetroitLibertyPe | years later and I still hate kde4 |
| 18:32.12 | cahoot | gnome? oznt |
| 18:32.14 | ZykoticK9 | oznt, FAT/NTFS formatted USB drives? umask shouldn't apply to either. |
| 18:32.34 | cahoot | really? |
| 18:32.44 | oznt | cahoot, yes, unfortunately gnome drives me nuts lately |
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| 18:33.09 | cahoot | oznt: you can set the umask via gconf-editor |
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| 18:33.16 | oznt | ZykoticK9, they should not, but i can"t launch a portable linux app from the usb on debian, while on my open suse i can |
| 18:33.18 | ZykoticK9 | cahoot, it's some quasi/virtual umask determined by fstab mounts |
| 18:33.42 | cahoot | oznt: you can set the umask via gconf-editor->system->storage |
| 18:33.54 | ZykoticK9 | oznt, ? if you're using FAT/NTFS i can't help - i don't use either |
| 18:33.57 | oznt | cahoot, i have looked in gconf-editor, seen some webpages sayin i should look under system storage but i don"t have this entyy |
| 18:34.05 | dondelelcaro | rendar: you're probably missing something else, then. a simple #include <pthread.h>\nint main(void){}; in temp.cc; g++ -o temp temp.cc; should work just fine. |
| 18:34.12 | eni23 | daemonkeeper: mabye. the problem is that the upstream is really slow since 2 days. my vsp says nothing is limited. but can't find anything suspect, everything is up to date and rkhunter is running every day.. |
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| 18:34.44 | dondelelcaro | rendar: if you can't get it to work, then you'll need to show us exactly what you're trying to compile, and the precise output of the command that you're running, including the command(s) that you're running |
| 18:34.46 | oznt | ZykoticK9, the file system is FAT32 |
| 18:35.09 | oznt | cahoot, do you know what I need to do to have under system the storage option? |
| 18:35.11 | ZykoticK9 | oznt, ya - sorry I have no personal experience, good luck. |
| 18:35.45 | daemonkeeper | eni23: Wouldn't trust the VPS provider. They tend to trash a shitload of virtual servers into a single machine, each having potential side effects to other machines. Chances are, one of your neighbors generates a lot of traffic which affects you now. |
| 18:35.52 | cahoot | oznt: gnome-volume-manager installed? |
| 18:36.08 | oznt | cahoot, can be very well that not |
| 18:36.58 | Bushmills | oznt: usb mount probably has the noexec flag |
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| 18:37.24 | oznt | Bushmills, that is what I found, because of a silly umask |
| 18:37.34 | oznt | cahoot, is there still this package ? |
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| 18:38.11 | mart | hey guys, i am probabaly one of millions that installed gnome 3.0 on their debian squeeze. it does not boot the gnome now after restart |
| 18:38.13 | Bushmills | oznt: mount|grep noexec .. look whether it shows your usb mount |
| 18:38.31 | mart | is there anything i can do. like removing it and installing gnome 2.0?# |
| 18:39.04 | eni23 | daemonkeeper: mabye. i have this vserver for more than 2 years now and the upsteam was always fine. my vsp is a 1-man company with a very good support i don't think he would lie to me.. are there other ways to find out if someone else is sitting on my vserver? |
| 18:39.07 | oznt | Bushmills, http://paste.debian.net/113918/ |
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| 18:39.51 | Odaym | if i install "phpmyadmin" from Synaptic package manager, it will automatically load it into /var/www and i will be able to access it using "localhost/phpmyadmin"? |
| 18:39.53 | Bushmills | oznt: usb stick mounted? then noexec is not the issue |
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| 18:40.06 | daemonkeeper | eni23: Apparently you can't run promiscuous mode which makes things complicated, maybe look for open sockets (netstat -a) for something suspicious |
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| 18:40.09 | oznt | Bushmills, what do you mean ? |
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| 18:40.28 | oznt | cahoot, http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/gnome-volume-manager gnome volume manager is only for kfreebsd ... |
| 18:40.30 | Bushmills | what part. "usb stick mounted?" ? |
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| 18:41.10 | karlpinc | mart: How did you do that? Squeeze comes with gnome 2. |
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| 18:41.20 | cahoot | oznt: strange - seems installed here |
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| 18:41.54 | oznt | Bushmills, http://paste.debian.net/113919/ it is mounted with the wrong umask |
| 18:41.58 | cahoot | oznt: why not use aptitude search? |
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| 18:42.21 | oznt | cahoot, if you upgraded from previous versions maybe yeah |
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| 18:42.31 | cahoot | ok ok |
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| 18:42.35 | Bushmills | oznt: seems only owner can execute |
| 18:42.49 | Bushmills | that is, user with uid 1000 |
| 18:43.06 | Craigwd_2000 | Is LibreOffice compatible with Extensions that were originally designed to be used with OpenOffice.org...? |
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| 18:43.47 | karlpinc | Craigwd_2000: Probably. It started as a direct copy. |
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| 18:44.43 | oznt | Bushmills, look http://paste.debian.net/113920/ I am the owner, yet i can"t execute a configure script |
| 18:44.44 | ZykoticK9 | Craigwd_2000, at this point, they are almost identical - a few bug fixes, different art, but mainly identical (could/should change in future) |
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| 18:45.34 | Craigwd_2000 | Thanks for the info.: karlpinc & ZykoticK9... |
| 18:45.37 | Odaym | if i install "phpmyadmin" from Synaptic package manager, it will automatically load it into /var/www and i will be able to access it using "localhost/phpmyadmin"? |
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| 18:45.50 | karlpinc | Odaym: Probably. |
| 18:45.55 | karlpinc | !tell Odaym about readme.debian |
| 18:45.55 | Odaym | probably? |
| 18:45.56 | Odaym | hehe |
| 18:46.11 | Odaym | you referred me to that last night, karl, and i found it helpful for some but not all |
| 18:46.13 | Odaym | so thank you |
| 18:46.21 | Bushmills | oznt: indeed ... -rw-r--r-- 1 ozdeb ozdeb 302099 May 29 2010 configure |
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| 18:47.00 | oznt | ofcourse, I can unmout the usb, and mount it manually with the correct permissions |
| 18:47.05 | Bushmills | ah, me wrong, i looked at dmask |
| 18:47.19 | oznt | but ... it bothers me that on Suse I don"t need to do it, and in debian I need, |
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| 18:47.27 | oznt | silly inconcictency |
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| 18:47.57 | Bushmills | fmask is relevant for files, not dmask |
| 18:48.12 | karlpinc | Odaym: Try it. You've a package manager so can easily uninstall. |
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| 18:48.20 | Odaym | but i scawed |
| 18:48.24 | Odaym | alright i will |
| 18:48.31 | Bushmills | oznt: because of suse being configured less secure, not all distributions need to follow that |
| 18:48.41 | karlpinc | Odaym: BTW, it's not considered polite to reask your question so rapidly. |
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| 18:48.49 | ZykoticK9 | oznt, if it's a shell script could you just use "sh ./configure" from the directory (possible workaround) |
| 18:48.52 | Craigwd_2000 | In case anybody's wondering why I asked...: it's because my AMD64 HP PC laptop is only about 2.8 years old & I needed the more up-to-date Kernel/better support of my much newer HW & LibreOffice is part of Debian Wheezy...: I'm currently testing 64-Bit LXDE on Debian Wheezy/Testing ATM... |
| 18:49.01 | Odaym | i sensed that, karlpinc .. |
| 18:49.05 | Odaym | sorry |
| 18:49.15 | eni23 | daemonkeeper: just got a mail from my vsp he says that he have to restart the servers yesterday and that the uplink was running only in half-duplex-mode. so you where right :) . netstat & co looks clean by the way think was only the reboot |
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| 18:49.26 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ... i dont have a network manager here ... how can i connect to eth0 through DHCP ? |
| 18:49.32 | gopa | hi |
| 18:49.35 | oznt | Bushmills, in that context, I"d like to decide my self, |
| 18:49.50 | ZykoticK9 | cobra-the-joker, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:50.00 | Bushmills | oznt: right, as you say, "for yourself", that's why there are configuration files |
| 18:50.05 | karlpinc | !tell Craigwd_2000 about overview |
| 18:50.13 | cobra-the-joker | ZykoticK9: i am not on debian right now |
| 18:50.13 | ZykoticK9 | cobra-the-joker, or "dhclient eth0" |
| 18:50.24 | Bushmills | i don't suppose that the decision you do for yourself have to be default for all other users in the world |
| 18:50.30 | cobra-the-joker | ZykoticK9: it gave me some error about /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:50.34 | oznt | ZykoticK9, no I cant , because the configure wil fail with hecking for C compiler default output file name... a.out |
| 18:50.34 | oznt | checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. |
| 18:50.34 | oznt | If you meant to cross compile, use `--host'. |
| 18:50.34 | oznt | See `config.log' for more details. |
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| 18:51.09 | oznt | sorry about pasting, thought it was one line |
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| 18:51.20 | ZykoticK9 | cobra-the-joker, if you're not using Debian, you should join whatever channel is applicable to the distro you are using. |
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| 18:51.28 | oznt | Bushmills, so where is the magical file to edit ? |
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| 18:51.50 | cobra-the-joker | ZykoticK9: i installed debian but cant access the internet on it ... so i cant chat with you when i am on it |
| 18:51.54 | nsadmin2 | somewhere off / |
| 18:51.56 | Bushmills | oznt: depends on what mounts that stick. if it is usbmount, in /etc/usbmount/... |
| 18:52.01 | oznt | I looked under /usr/share/hal but could not found it |
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| 18:52.30 | Odaym | karlpinc, it did |
| 18:52.32 | Odaym | and it works |
| 18:52.36 | Odaym | thanks for the push! |
| 18:52.42 | ZykoticK9 | cobra-the-joker, ahh understood. /etc/resolv.conf should exist, and needs to have your nameserver(s) listed, these are your DNS addresses. |
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| 18:52.48 | karlpinc | !tell oznt about plugdev |
| 18:52.52 | oznt | Bushmills, i have no clue what service mounts my usb, but /etc/usbmout does not exist |
| 18:53.16 | karlpinc | oznt: The easy way is to configure your box so all users are in the plugdev group. |
| 18:53.20 | Bushmills | i also have no clue what mounts your usb stick |
| 18:53.42 | Craigwd_2000 | Actually karlpinc: I really needed the Linux Kernel 2.6.38 since my ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650 is actually just a mobile version of the ATI Radeon HD 6450 according to WinXP... |
| 18:53.53 | karlpinc | oznt: I think. You may also want to see the pmount factoid. I don't think about this much. |
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| 18:54.21 | oznt | karlpinc, are you carl from tuebingen ? |
| 18:54.36 | oznt | anyway, my user is in the plugdev group |
| 18:54.39 | oznt | so it is not that |
| 18:54.44 | cobra-the-joker | ZykoticK9: is there some default addresses ... i dont know actually what is my DNS |
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| 18:55.08 | karlpinc | Craigwd_2000: If you get the pciid, which looks like [xxxx:yyyy] for the device from the output of "lspci -nn" then you can "/msg judd pciid [xxxx:yyyy]" in your irc client and it will recommend a driver etc. (If this helps.) |
| 18:55.10 | ZykoticK9 | cobra-the-joker, 8.8.8.8 is google's DNS - but there is no "default" |
| 18:55.35 | oznt | Bushmills, any idea how to find which service mounts it ? |
| 18:55.37 | cobra-the-joker | hmmm .... ok |
| 18:56.09 | Bushmills | oznt: maybe dmesg tells you |
| 18:56.28 | Bushmills | no, not likely |
| 18:56.40 | eFfeM | hi, I need to install a package that installs without any user intervention, but this package depends on mysql and mysql insists on popping up a screen asking for the root password; how can I circumvent that (as the password will be set later anyway) |
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| 18:57.03 | karlpinc | !tell eFfeM about debconf |
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| 18:57.11 | Craigwd_2000 | Actually karlpinc according to the Release Notes for Linux Kernel v. 2.6.38 there's a brand new driver for my GPU that's built right into the Kernel itself now...: very handy... |
| 18:57.25 | karlpinc | eFfeM: Read the debconf man page, IIRC. |
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| 18:58.03 | Craigwd_2000 | Or maybe I found that info on the Kernel.org news page for Kernel v. 2.6.38...: one of the two... |
| 18:58.19 | karlpinc | Craigwd_2000: Get a new kernel from backports. |
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| 18:58.38 | karlpinc | Craigwd_2000: Oops. There's not one in backports yet. |
| 18:58.51 | karlpinc | !tell Craigwd_2000 about ssb |
| 18:58.59 | eFfeM | karlpinc: thanks for hte pointer |
| 18:59.05 | karlpinc | !tell Craigwd_2000 about make-kpkg |
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| 18:59.26 | cobra-the-joker | ZykoticK9: Thanx man ... it worked |
| 19:00.36 | oznt | So, how do we make debian change it annoying umask ? |
| 19:00.37 | karlpinc | Craigwd_2000: So, you either backport the kernel from sid or you get source from kernel.org and (probably using the sid .config file) rebuild it and package it with make-kpkg. Or just wait for something newer to show up in backports. However.... |
| 19:01.26 | karlpinc | Craigwd_2000: I'm unclear on the interactions between the kernel drivers and X. It may be that a new kernel driver won't do you any good without a new X. That would mean you'll probably have to run wheezy to get all the new stuff. |
| 19:02.33 | Bushmills | oznt: first, by knowing the service you want to configure. probably something installed by you. try looking for the usbmount directory again, but this time without typo |
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| 19:04.22 | DammitJim | why is there an openjdk and a sunjdk? |
| 19:04.23 | oznt | Bushmills, seriously the directory can"t be found, maybe u can do a better job http://paste.debian.net/113923/ |
| 19:05.28 | Bushmills | oznt: (20:52:52) oznt: Bushmills, i have no clue what service mounts my usb, but >>/etc/usbmout<< does not exist .. just suggesting |
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| 19:05.34 | ZykoticK9 | cobra-the-joker, glad to help |
| 19:06.07 | oznt | Bushmills, i did a typo |
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| 19:06.22 | oznt | oznt, but please take a look at my latest paster |
| 19:06.31 | Bushmills | i noticed. which was why i suggested to look again |
| 19:06.53 | Bushmills | well, if you don't know what service mounts your usb devices - why not install usbmount then? |
| 19:07.27 | Bushmills | then you know where to look for the config file |
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| 19:10.18 | eFfeM | karlpinc: read the debconf page, but i don't think that solves my problem, the issue is that the template and the question I want to avoid are in a package on which my package depends on (mysqlserver in my case) |
| 19:10.18 | oznt | Bushmills, it is a good solution, but it still does not answer the question how does gnome decide about the umask, and why I can"t control it |
| 19:10.30 | zeroedout | Hi, I have squeeze running as a gateway doing masqurading between eth0 and eth1 using shorewall and dnsmasq. For some reason, after around 13-17 hours, eth1 just starts dropping packets and machines behind the gateway take 5-10 seconds to ping other machines and the gateway itself. I know I can just put ifdown eth1 && ifup eth1 in cron.hourly, but any idea what's causing this? |
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| 19:11.32 | ZykoticK9 | oznt, umask doesn't really apply to FAT/NTFS partitions (in some "virtual" way it can be set), it "should" work fine if you where using ext2/3 |
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| 19:11.47 | Bushmills | oznt: had you mentioned gnome during the conversation, i would have suggested that gnome volume manager may be responsible for mounting |
| 19:12.10 | karlpinc | oznt: I find gnome not-exactly-controllable, so nothing new there. |
| 19:12.24 | oznt | Bushmills, the package gnome-volume-manager is not installed |
| 19:12.42 | oznt | karlpinc, i have searched a lot, and I saw it is also a problem of KDE users |
| 19:12.53 | oznt | but I agree, gnome starts to annoy more and more |
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| 19:14.41 | karlpinc | oznt: Debian as a whole is deliberarly configured to be more secure so it's not a suprise kde has the same behavior. There may even be something in the debian policy manual regards this. Anyway, not that I like kde either, that does not mean that you can't configure kde more easily. |
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| 19:19.23 | ws2k3 | i have xdm with xfce installed i disabled in the runlevels but what do i need to if i wanne start xfce? |
| 19:19.25 | karlpinc | eFfeM: Set the debconf question level to "don't ask" with an env variable before you do the install. If you have to wrap the whole thing up in a shell script. |
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| 19:20.19 | Wizard | dpkg: gnome3 |
| 19:20.19 | dpkg | http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html |
| 19:20.34 | karlpinc | ws2k3: ? You do or don't want to run xdm? |
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| 19:21.40 | karlpinc | ws2k3: Maybe "/etc/init.d/xdm start" ?? |
| 19:22.02 | Bushmills | ws2k3: startx /usr/bin/xfce4-session |
| 19:22.19 | ws2k3 | bushmills bo i need them both or? |
| 19:22.29 | ws2k3 | or only xfce |
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| 19:22.49 | Bushmills | without xdm to login, but starting xfce4 straight away, you'd not start xdm |
| 19:22.49 | karlpinc | ws2k3: You don't need xdm unless you want it to ask you a username/password. |
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| 19:23.06 | ws2k3 | yeah i want that because i wanne login as root |
| 19:23.10 | Bushmills | no! |
| 19:23.11 | ws2k3 | so that i can do some maintaince |
| 19:23.16 | Bushmills | utter BS |
| 19:23.17 | ws2k3 | ? |
| 19:23.30 | gnarface | hey so i switched a while back from openoffice to libreoffice and i just realized that i can't seem to find the spreadsheet component (libreoffice-calc?) i'm using debian sid. known issue? or have i broken something? |
| 19:23.37 | karlpinc | Bushmills: I think he means he wants to run shell as root, and start X as a user. |
| 19:23.58 | ws2k3 | when i run xfce i login as root because then i can edit some settings in my vmware workstation |
| 19:24.05 | ws2k3 | thats the only reason i use xfce |
| 19:24.27 | karlpinc | ws2k3: Running X as root is a very bad idea. |
| 19:24.47 | gnarface | wouldn't expect someone named after windows server 2003 to understand that concept |
| 19:24.55 | Wizard | lol |
| 19:24.59 | Wizard | good evening :) |
| 19:24.59 | ws2k3 | lol |
| 19:25.10 | karlpinc | ws2k3: Instead, you run X as a user. Open a terminal. Use su to become root. And then type the command that starts your X application. |
| 19:25.23 | ws2k3 | whats the different? |
| 19:25.37 | ws2k3 | i only run X for a hour when i'm at the server and i close it again.. |
| 19:25.59 | gnarface | ws2k3: the difference is X is inherently insecure due to a weakness in video card drivers - its just a really really bad idea in general |
| 19:26.04 | karlpinc | ws2k3: You'll have to study up on computer file permissions and security levels to properly answer that question. |
| 19:26.27 | ws2k3 | aah ok. |
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| 19:26.57 | eFfeM | karlpinc: thanks, will try |
| 19:27.30 | karlpinc | ws2k3: Let's just say that it's one of the reasons MS Windows has so many security problems and leave it at that. |
| 19:27.31 | cobra-the-joker | ZykoticK9: I just installed debian and there are some parts in gnome desktop missing ... how can i get those ( full gnome desktop) ? |
| 19:27.59 | Wizard | apt-get install gnome-desktop |
| 19:28.01 | Wizard | iirc |
| 19:28.04 | Wizard | cobra-the-joker: ^^^ |
| 19:28.13 | cobra-the-joker | Wizard: nice ..thanx :D |
| 19:28.27 | Craigwd_2000 | Or just use aptitude... |
| 19:28.27 | Wizard | you're welcome |
| 19:28.41 | ws2k3 | is it safe to install webmin on my system and set the webmin port open so that i can login from home? |
| 19:28.46 | ws2k3 | is that safe? |
| 19:28.47 | Wizard | what's wrong with apt-get? |
| 19:28.50 | karlpinc | !webmin |
| 19:28.50 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 19:28.53 | gnarface | so does anyone know why i can't find libreoffice-calc? i've got the math formula thingy and the word processor components but the calc package listed online i can't find in my repo... i'm on SID and my repo is ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ |
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| 19:29.35 | ws2k3 | is there a replacement? |
| 19:29.42 | gnarface | apt-get |
| 19:29.47 | gnarface | (or aptitude) |
| 19:29.56 | Wizard | ws2k3: bash + vi ;) |
| 19:29.58 | Craigwd_2000 | Wizard: nothing: I just like using aptitude for upgrades as it features better conflict resolution/dependency resolution... |
| 19:30.05 | karlpinc | ws2k3: If you want to do that you tunnel port 80 (or 443) through ssh with ssh -L. Or use a vpn like openvpn. And don't open your 'web administration wackyness' to the world. |
| 19:30.05 | ws2k3 | = ssh |
| 19:30.09 | Wizard | Craigwd_2000: good point |
| 19:30.25 | karlpinc | !tell ws2k3 about free whcp |
| 19:30.40 | gnarface | doesn't webmin also generally slaughter the package hierarchy unecessarily by re-implementing its own junk on top of it? |
| 19:31.00 | karlpinc | ws2k3: You're really better off working directly from config files. Of course you can do as you like. |
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| 19:31.18 | ws2k3 | no then i just leave it behind |
| 19:31.30 | ws2k3 | does somebody here have any experience with csf? |
| 19:31.41 | karlpinc | !tell ws2k3 about anybody |
| 19:31.41 | ws2k3 | configserverfirewall? |
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| 19:33.05 | ws2k3 | karl i dont understand the rule dpkg tells to me |
| 19:33.07 | karlpinc | ws2k3: For serious work I prefer OpenBSD and pf. Otherwise the ferm package sounds good. You might also look at shorewall for a different approach. |
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| 19:33.27 | ws2k3 | how u mean serieus work |
| 19:33.45 | ws2k3 | its an server in a data center thats gonne host 3 websites and an exchange server and thats it. |
| 19:33.46 | gnarface | anything other than "block all incoming requests |
| 19:33.59 | ws2k3 | lol |
| 19:34.06 | ws2k3 | yeah i am going to open some ports.. |
| 19:34.23 | karlpinc | ws2k3: If you have a question about csf you ask: "I'm trying to accomplish foo with cfg. I tried doing bar, but it told me baz and does not work." |
| 19:34.37 | gnarface | how is pf on debian these days? i'd heard it had been ported |
| 19:35.00 | karlpinc | ws2k3: I mean if you want the very best and are willing to put in the time and annoyance. |
| 19:35.09 | Wizard | pf ported to linux?! |
| 19:35.11 | oznt | ok, debian gets on my nerves, i unmounted the usb, and mounted it manually, and I still can"t run a script from the usb |
| 19:35.13 | ws2k3 | i understand |
| 19:35.20 | oznt | what is debian doing ? |
| 19:35.31 | karlpinc | gnarface: Dunno. Porting sounds hard because that stuff is so tightly integrated into the kernel. |
| 19:35.35 | Wizard | oznt: just what you command ;P |
| 19:35.39 | amphi | oznt: is it mounted noexec ? |
| 19:35.43 | gnarface | Wizard: reportedly BSD has been ported to debian... (kernel and userspace) but i haven't had the guts to try it. i'm scared |
| 19:35.49 | ws2k3 | karlpinc i know that but i first wanne know if somebody have any experiece with csf is it wise to use it ? are u guys saying its bad i just wanne know ur advice about csf |
| 19:36.16 | Wizard | gnarface: you mean debian-kfreebsd? |
| 19:36.22 | oznt | ampi, i mounted it with exece specifically |
| 19:36.22 | karlpinc | ws2k3: Then ask "is csf safe/good to use?" |
| 19:36.22 | gnarface | Wizard: maybe? |
| 19:36.35 | ws2k3 | yeah that would be bether |
| 19:36.36 | Arrowmaster | gnarface: thats kernel only, not userspace |
| 19:36.37 | oznt | trying to run a binary fille or a script does not work |
| 19:36.38 | gnarface | ws2k3: personally i avoid trying to use frontends to manage my firewalls |
| 19:36.42 | ws2k3 | my english is not that good:P sorry |
| 19:36.45 | Wizard | gnarface: i tired it few years ago |
| 19:36.49 | karlpinc | ws2k3: No worries. |
| 19:36.56 | gnarface | but i'd heard pf had actually been ported to linux |
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| 19:37.47 | karlpinc | gnarface: I'd think it'd have to be a complete re-implimentation. |
| 19:38.01 | karlpinc | oznt: Are the scripts/files marked executable? |
| 19:38.10 | karlpinc | !tell oznt about permissions |
| 19:38.10 | oznt | karlpinc, yes |
| 19:38.21 | oznt | karlpinc, thanks, i know about permission |
| 19:38.30 | Wizard | crap :/ |
| 19:38.30 | Arrowmaster | oznt: what mount options are you using now? |
| 19:38.31 | gnarface | where the hell is libreoffice-calc? |
| 19:38.39 | karlpinc | oznt: And you type mount and it does not tell you "noexec" on the line? |
| 19:38.50 | Wizard | i will have to wait for installable gnome 3 on debian/ppc for some time :S |
| 19:38.52 | oznt | mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/PATRIOT/ -t vfat -o uid=ozdeb,gid=ozdeb,exec,noatime |
| 19:39.01 | Bushmills | ,versions libreoffice-calc |
| 19:39.02 | judd | Package libreoffice-calc on i386 -- wheezy: 1:3.3.1-1; sid: 1:3.3.2-2 |
| 19:39.20 | Wizard | wheezy? testing? |
| 19:39.27 | karlpinc | oznt: How about just "mount", to tell you what's happened. |
| 19:39.34 | gnarface | Bushmills: but i don't see it when i run apt-search, and i'm using ftp.us.debian.org...? |
| 19:39.35 | ws2k3 | but is csf safe/good to use? |
| 19:39.39 | oznt | karl i will post it in the paster |
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| 19:39.50 | oznt | i think it has to do with policy kit maybe |
| 19:39.59 | Arrowmaster | oznt: it doesnt |
| 19:40.11 | gnarface | Bushmills: er, apt-cache search ^libreoffice-calc that is |
| 19:40.16 | Bushmills | gnarface: well, i do |
| 19:40.31 | gnarface | Bushmills: what repo? |
| 19:40.37 | Bushmills | (on a testing system) |
| 19:40.44 | gnarface | oh. i'm on sid |
| 19:40.48 | karlpinc | ws2k3: Perhaps no one knows. If you don't get an answer you can try again after a while. (Although that does not sound like the kind of question that people will have experience with because it sounds like some random product. What is it?) |
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| 19:41.22 | gnarface | Bushmills: woops wait nevermind may have just found a typo in my sources.list |
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| 19:41.33 | ws2k3 | its a linux firewall |
| 19:41.42 | ws2k3 | from the company parralells |
| 19:41.53 | ws2k3 | http://www.configserver.com/cp/csf.html |
| 19:41.55 | g00se | Don't suppose it's possible to use ntfs-3g for Windows shares is it? |
| 19:41.58 | karlpinc | ws2k3: In general people use Free Software here. A lot of the time this is because it's superior, especially when it comes to system level programs. |
| 19:42.19 | Bushmills | g00se: "windows shares" as in cifs/smb network shares? |
| 19:42.26 | gnarface | the rest of the time its just because we are bigoted zealots who can't forgive microsoft for windows 95 :-p |
| 19:42.30 | oznt | karlpinc, http://paste.debian.net/113927/ |
| 19:42.38 | g00se | Bushmills: Yes, cifs |
| 19:42.39 | karlpinc | ws2k3: You'll have to compare it yourself with ferm and shorewall. |
| 19:42.45 | Bushmills | g00se: right. not possible |
| 19:42.51 | Rienzilla | gnarface: haha |
| 19:43.12 | ws2k3 | yeah i know |
| 19:43.17 | Bushmills | unless you loop mount an ntfs file system image on that shared volume |
| 19:43.31 | ws2k3 | the hosting company where i do some business with they use this. to they adviced met this. |
| 19:43.52 | ws2k3 | but the web interface is only based on webmin(A) |
| 19:43.58 | ws2k3 | thats why i was asking for webmin |
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| 19:44.13 | g00se | Bushmills: Thought not :( I find cifs mounts are nearly always read-only despite massive and verbose efforts to make them rw |
| 19:44.17 | Arrowmaster | oznt: mount -t vfat -o uid=ozdeb,gid=ozdeb /dev/sdb1 /mnt/PATRIOT/ should work perfectly |
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| 19:44.21 | Bushmills | i'd stop doing business with them :) |
| 19:44.52 | Arrowmaster | oznt: when i do that all files have execute permission |
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| 19:46.14 | gnarface | oznt: did you say you only have read access as well? often (especially with vfat i've noticed) mount these days will force mount as read-only despite command-line overrides if the filesystem has errors. try doing fsck.vfat -r -v -V on the device before you mount it |
| 19:46.32 | gnarface | maybe that would force non-execute too? |
| 19:46.36 | gnarface | not something i've tried |
| 19:47.00 | stevieman | I'm having a problem when trying to check my scsi devices. When I do a "cat /proc/scsi/scsi" I get a "No such file or directory" error. When I check there is in fact no /scsi dir in /proc. I do have scsi devices on this machine. Any ideas on whats going on? |
| 19:47.44 | karlpinc | stevieman: No. But you might try poking about in /sys. |
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| 19:49.21 | stevieman | karlpinc: ok, any hints on what I should be looking for? |
| 19:49.21 | g00se | seems to be rw now. Thanks Bushmills |
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| 19:50.45 | karlpinc | stevieman: No. Sorry. There might be something in the linux-doc package in /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-*/Documentation/. ? |
| 19:50.52 | keith4 | mmmmmm. bushmills. |
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| 19:53.38 | penguinbait | I am a lifelong redhat, then centos/fedora user. I recently decided to try SUSE when my laptop crapped out. It lasted about 5 days, not impressed. I then installed ubuntu, which I used for about 10 minutes and downloaded debian install. Your horrible install scripts chased me off so long ago, and I see you have improved but not quite as good as some distros. Its only been a few hours but I think you are my new favorite di |
| 19:53.39 | penguinbait | stro :) |
| 19:53.41 | stevieman | karlpinc: apparently /proc/scsi/scsi has been migrated to sysf |
| 19:54.11 | karlpinc | !tell penguinbait about overview |
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| 19:55.13 | karlpinc | penguinbait: This is because we never install debian. ;-) Once installed we just keep upgrading. (Be sure to follow the release notes when upgrading major releases.) |
| 19:56.15 | oznt | gnarface, no, i have no problem with write permissions, it is only with executing |
| 19:56.16 | stevieman | I just want to findout where my scsi devices are located |
| 19:56.22 | gnarface | yea penguinbait you don't use debian for its installer, you use it for the quality of its packages |
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| 19:57.03 | Arrowmaster | oznt: did you try with no mount options other than gid and uid? |
| 19:57.21 | karlpinc | penguinbait: And because of apt, the package manager. Has anyone gotten around to documenting rpm since it went rogue years ago? |
| 19:57.27 | oznt | Arrowmaster, yeah |
| 19:57.32 | oznt | still no remmedy |
| 19:58.04 | gnarface | oznt: out of curiosity - are you running a custom kernel or a stock kernel? |
| 19:58.22 | Arrowmaster | odd because that works for me, every file has execute permission |
| 19:58.36 | oznt | gnarface, a stock kernle |
| 19:59.07 | gnarface | did i get two question threads confused, oznt or are you trying to execute linux binaries that are stored on a vfat partition? |
| 19:59.09 | Arrowmaster | oznt: cat /proc/mounts and pastebin output |
| 19:59.35 | oznt | gnarface, yeah, i had no problem doing thta in suse |
| 20:00.34 | gnarface | oznt: in theory it shouldn't be a problem i'm just trying to think of things which may sabotage that. i'd be curious to know the permissions that ls -l shows as set on your mount point both before and after you've mounted... again, just curiosity here |
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| 20:01.56 | oznt | Arrowmaster, http://paste.debian.net/113929/ this are the permissions that are created by the automounter from gnome (?) i don"t know which process is mounting |
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| 20:03.04 | Arrowmaster | oznt: the automounter info is pointless, its the showexec option that is causing issues there |
| 20:03.12 | oznt | i have found this root 4485 0.0 0.0 5096 804 ? S Apr11 0:00 udisks-daemon: polling /dev/sdb |
| 20:03.18 | Arrowmaster | and i dont know how to disable it from automouting with that |
| 20:03.39 | Arrowmaster | but the real question is why mounting manually isnt working |
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| 20:06.02 | gnarface | i'm not clear on this part but if one of the parent directories of the mount point does not have x set for that user, would that block execution for any of the children (even if they were on a separate physical disk?) |
| 20:06.16 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 20:06.31 | Bushmills | ehm .. yes |
| 20:06.38 | gnarface | ... ? |
| 20:06.47 | Bushmills | no x on parent means not being able to change to any directory below |
| 20:06.49 | gnarface | no or yes guys, make up your minds?! |
| 20:07.07 | Arrowmaster | completely unrelated because what you asked makes no sense |
| 20:07.22 | gnarface | alright forget i said it then |
| 20:07.26 | Arrowmaster | execute on directories does something completely different than files |
| 20:07.57 | gnarface | ok |
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| 20:08.17 | gnarface | i get that but somehow i thought they were still related |
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| 20:08.48 | gnarface | brb gotta restart x |
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| 20:13.01 | oznt | can someone else confirm this problem with no execution on usb ? |
| 20:13.10 | oznt | i tried on two different debian systems |
| 20:13.12 | karlpinc | Arrowmaster: Maybe it mounts automatically before it can be mounted manually? |
| 20:13.32 | Arrowmaster | oznt: i confirmed it was not a problem and worked perfectly for me |
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| 20:13.58 | Arrowmaster | oznt: can you try manually mounting it again and pastebining the /proc/mounts |
| 20:14.06 | oznt | Arrowmaster, so you use gnome, but your usb is mounted and you can execute ? |
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| 20:14.38 | karlpinc | oznt: Did you ever pastebin a transcript of you trying to execute something and the error you got? |
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| 20:14.50 | Arrowmaster | no, with automounting the showexec option is used which restricts execute to files ending in .EXE .COM and a few other windows specific extensions |
| 20:15.06 | Arrowmaster | but with manually mounting i can get all files to have execute permission by default |
| 20:15.06 | roliver | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.32 | oznt | karlpinc, Arrowmaster please look here http://paste.debian.net/113934/ |
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| 20:17.15 | Arrowmaster | oznt: unmount it and remount without the exec option |
| 20:18.34 | oznt | http://paste.debian.net/113935/ |
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| 20:19.13 | Arrowmaster | what are the permissions |
| 20:19.45 | Arrowmaster | ls -l /mnt/PATRIOT/calcurse |
| 20:20.02 | karlpinc | oznt: What does "file calcurse" say? Is it really a linux binary? |
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| 20:20.19 | oznt | -rwxr-xr-x 1 ozdeb ozdeb 673306 Apr 13 09:36 calcurse |
| 20:20.29 | Arrowmaster | the execute issue is solved |
| 20:20.37 | oznt | karlpinc, it is a linux binary - it is |
| 20:20.38 | Arrowmaster | the real issue is something else entirely |
| 20:20.48 | karlpinc | oznt: So what does file tell you? |
| 20:21.07 | oznt | bash: ./calcurse: cannot execute binary file |
| 20:21.17 | rjune | I'm trying to setup preseed with netboot installation, and running into problems. I have preseed/url and netcfg/choose_interface=auto specified in the append line, but the target system isn't configuring ethernet to do the installation |
| 20:21.20 | Arrowmaster | file /mnt/PATRIOT/calcurse |
| 20:21.24 | karlpinc | oznt: That's what ./calcurse tells you. |
| 20:21.50 | oznt | moment, i will paster |
| 20:22.12 | oznt | http://paste.debian.net/113936/ |
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| 20:23.20 | karlpinc | oznt: How about: ldd calcurse |
| 20:23.36 | Arrowmaster | oznt: uname -m |
| 20:24.04 | oznt | not a dynamic executable |
| 20:24.15 | Arrowmaster | im betting uname -m is not x86_64 |
| 20:24.19 | karlpinc | Arrowmaster: That's a better idea. |
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| 20:24.27 | oznt | Arrowmaster, you are right ! |
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| 20:24.37 | oznt | I forgot, my computer at home is 64 bit |
| 20:24.50 | oznt | darn ! at home i have 32 bit ! |
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| 20:25.48 | karlpinc | Another satisfied customer. |
| 20:26.23 | oznt | OH GOD ! it is embaressing ... but by the way the problem with default permissions is still annoying ... |
| 20:27.05 | karlpinc | oznt: That's what pmount is for. |
| 20:27.27 | oznt | well |
| 20:27.33 | oznt | i promise i will give a look |
| 20:27.44 | karlpinc | !tell oznt about pmount |
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| 20:27.57 | gnarface | ok i am back |
| 20:28.05 | gnarface | oznt: did you get it solved yet? |
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| 20:28.21 | Arrowmaster | yes, 64bit binary on 32bit system |
| 20:28.28 | gnarface | aaaah! |
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| 20:28.37 | oznt | gnarface, :-) |
| 20:28.39 | oznt | sorry |
| 20:28.41 | oznt | i forgot |
| 20:28.45 | oznt | not used to it still |
| 20:28.46 | gnarface | well could hit anyone |
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| 20:28.52 | karlpinc | I thought he said he couldn't run shell scripts either.... |
| 20:29.17 | gnarface | if the shell scripts pointed to a 64 bit shell interpreter also on the same disk... |
| 20:29.30 | oznt | Karlpinc i couldnot because it what mounted with out exec option |
| 20:29.45 | karlpinc | oznt: Ah. |
| 20:29.50 | oznt | guys, you are great |
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| 20:30.07 | karlpinc | oznt: Great procrastinators. Back to work. |
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| 20:30.18 | gnarface | is anything but great |
| 20:30.19 | ZykoticK9 | WOW is this FAT Mounting issue still going? Another concrete reason to avoid MS file systems I say. |
| 20:30.20 | oznt | i have learned the hard way not to compile stuff at work and expect to work on it at home ! |
| 20:30.20 | gnarface | thanks anyway |
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| 20:30.41 | oznt | ZykoticK9, another reason to avoid also 32 but |
| 20:30.43 | oznt | bit |
| 20:30.46 | oznt | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.49 | ZykoticK9 | oznt, i'd say it's your choice in file system |
| 20:30.49 | gnarface | ZykoticK9: they solved it and its nothing to do with the filesystem |
| 20:30.52 | wald0 | is htere the correct channel for ask about how to compile nvidia drivers ? |
| 20:31.07 | ZykoticK9 | gnarface, ahhhh, well that's good. |
| 20:31.09 | wald0 | i just got a new nvidia and im trying to make it running |
| 20:31.10 | oznt | thanks all |
| 20:31.14 | oznt | good night |
| 20:31.26 | oznt | or good morning, where ever you are |
| 20:31.29 | gnarface | wald0: compile? shouldn't need to compile them i think you just need to apt-get install nvidia-glx |
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| 20:32.02 | wald0 | gnarface: i think that i need the kernel module |
| 20:32.10 | gnarface | wald0: that should pull in the kernel module |
| 20:32.18 | gnarface | wald0: you're using a stock kernel, right? |
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| 20:33.37 | ZykoticK9 | wald0, steps I personally use to install nvidia proprietary (they basically follow the Debian instructions, word for word) http://paste.debian.net/113939/ |
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| 20:33.46 | wald0 | debian kernel, yes... the one from unstable (2.6.38), i dont see any nvidia-*$(uname -r) package |
| 20:33.59 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 20:34.03 | gnarface | wald0: you have to have contrib and non-free in your sources |
| 20:34.13 | xreal | Is there a way to get the pid of the nohup process, which got just started? |
| 20:34.47 | jhutchins_lt | !unstable |
| 20:34.47 | dpkg | [unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 20:35.04 | wald0 | gnarface: they are enabled, maybe there's not such modules actually builded for this new/unstable kernel |
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| 20:36.37 | gnarface | wald0: well from my experience the actual nvidia installer works just fine but it clobbers packages and in turn gets clobbered every time you update said packages, requiring it to be re-run even if there are no updates so its best to use the nvidia-glx package (no uname relevant afaik) if you can. what do you get when you do an: "apt-cache search ^nvidia" (pastebin it) |
| 20:37.05 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions nvidia-glx |
| 20:37.06 | judd | Package nvidia-glx on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; sid/non-free: 260.19.44-1; wheezy/non-free: 260.19.44-1; experimental/non-free: 270.30-1 |
| 20:37.32 | gnarface | and that's even nvidia's current linux version in sid currently |
| 20:38.04 | gnarface | the only reason to not use nvidia-glx is if you're running say, world of warcraft through wine and you need the newest nvidia driver TODAY because it coincided with a wow update and a wine update |
| 20:38.05 | jhutchins_lt | One issue might be the nvidiafb kernel module, but that should be included in the kernel. |
| 20:38.05 | wald0 | well, i will try to compile the modules myself (only kernel module package is missing) from the link of ZykoticK9 , i dont like non-debian ways :) |
| 20:38.40 | DammitJim | I'm doing diff -y file1.txt file2.txt |
| 20:38.50 | DammitJim | how do I make it not show stuff that is the same? |
| 20:39.08 | DammitJim | or does diff not figure out if a block of text is shifted down and stuff? |
| 20:39.14 | gnarface | wald0: i'm telling you that the nvidia-glx package SHOULD get the appropriate kernel module for your kernel if you're also running a current stock kernel... if not something is wrong |
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| 20:39.55 | gnarface | wald0: you should NOT need to compile this right now. I JUST DID THIS TODAY ON SID, 5 MINUTES AGO. maybe pastebin your apt sources.list? |
| 20:39.59 | karlpinc | DammitJim: If you move a block of text it's deleted from the old spot and added to the new. (I always use diff -ruN ) |
| 20:40.13 | wald0 | gnarface: yup, but doesn't looks like to exist these modules, no results in apt-cache (sorry, i dont have access to the shell right now) |
| 20:40.37 | DammitJim | oh, I think what the problem is... this thing has some weird returns at the end of the line |
| 20:40.49 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: I know sometimes it can be hard to get the headers for experimental/unstable kernels. |
| 20:40.56 | wald0 | gnarface: whats the kernel module package that you have installed ? (available) I will check it in some minutes |
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| 20:41.06 | gnarface | DammitJim: i think diff has an option (-w maybe?) to ignore extraneous whitespace in comparison of lines... |
| 20:41.18 | wald0 | im using a 686-bigmem (2.6.38) |
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| 20:42.24 | gnarface | wald0: 2.6.38-2-amd64? |
| 20:42.30 | gnarface | (SMP) |
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| 20:43.03 | zezu | where is adobe reader on squeeze ? |
| 20:43.26 | wald0 | im using a 686-bigmem (2.6.38) gnarface |
| 20:43.31 | wald0 | no amd64 |
| 20:43.37 | zezu | I have contrib/non-free added and i can't find it (amd64) |
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| 20:44.00 | gnarface | wald0: i wouldn't expect it would make a difference but i guess with SID you can't be sure. tell me this, do you have a binary anywhere on your system called "nvidia-installer" ? |
| 20:44.17 | gnarface | wald0: probably say at /usr/bin/nvidia-installer ? |
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| 20:45.05 | gnarface | zezu: may not even pass muster for debian. if you just want to read normal pdfs i recommend xpdf instead. its very rare to need adobe's own pdf viewer on linux (and all the security flaws that come with it) |
| 20:45.15 | wald0 | gnarface: right now i dont have access to the system (doing tests in live mode), do you mean the official nvidia installer ? |
| 20:45.43 | zezu | gnarface: i really don't like xpdf don't remember why but i avoid it like the plague |
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| 20:45.49 | gnarface | wald0: well if you ever used the official nvidia installer, it left a binary on your system capable of upgrading to the latest nvidia version directly from their server |
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| 20:46.54 | gnarface | zezu: you should try it again just for good measure but the only reason why you may not have liked it was because you wanted bleeding-edge adobe pdf features -- but you will cut yourself on that edge, i guarantee it. also fyi GIMP has decent base pdf support as well. |
| 20:47.03 | daemon_mum | hey all |
| 20:47.06 | wald0 | gnarface: mmh, i suppose that you are not using the last nvidia driver (260), maybe 173 ? |
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| 20:47.47 | daemon_mum | can i add sid's repository to squeeze? or will that break it? I want to install mumbmle 1.2.3 (latest) but squeeze uses 1.2.2 |
| 20:47.50 | dutchfish | zezu, non-free | acroread |
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| 20:48.04 | zezu | dutchfish: not seeing it there :\ |
| 20:48.19 | zezu | a post seems to suggest its in multimedia ? |
| 20:48.22 | gnarface | wald0: incorrect, i'm using 260.19.44, the latest linux version which is also the current version in SID's nvidia-glx package (which as i said should pull in the kernel module as a dependency automatically) |
| 20:48.28 | jhutchins_lt | daemon_mum: Yes, that is an excellent way to completely destroy your system. You'll have fun doing a clean install all over again! |
| 20:48.45 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions mumble |
| 20:48.47 | judd | Package mumble on i386 -- lenny: 1.1.4-4+lenny2; lenny-backports: 1.1.8-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.2.2-6; wheezy: 1.2.2-6; sid: 1.2.3-2+b1 |
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| 20:49.05 | jhutchins_lt | daemon_mum: What does 1.2.3 do that you need? |
| 20:49.18 | daemon_mum | 1.2.2 breaks audio if different client versions |
| 20:49.24 | daemon_mum | 1.2.3 has that bug fixed |
| 20:49.36 | jhutchins_lt | daemon_mum: Do you know that 1.2.3 does not? |
| 20:49.43 | dutchfish | zezu, http://wiki.debian.org/PDF |
| 20:49.51 | daemon_mum | thats what they tell me |
| 20:49.55 | wald0 | gnarface: ok, well, let me finish a few things and i will reboot to continue looking at this :) |
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| 20:50.47 | jhutchins_lt | daemon_mum: They? Well, if you can find something in the release notes, you should be able to contact the maintainer and request a backport. If that doesn't work, /msg dpkg ssb for a safe way of using the package from sid. |
| 20:50.50 | daemon_mum | jhutchins_lt: i dont want to compile it becasue this is a production system and i dont want to risk of breaking anything |
| 20:51.16 | jhutchins_lt | daemon_mum: In that case you definitely don't want to install stuff from unstable. |
| 20:51.28 | jhutchins_lt | daemon_mum: You're far safer compiling an app than doing that. |
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| 20:53.31 | daemon_mum | jhutchins_lt: thanks |
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| 20:56.56 | karlpinc | !tell daemon_mum about overview |
| 20:57.17 | karlpinc | daemon_mum: ^^ since you seem unfamilar with the options available. |
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| 20:58.04 | Guest75981 | helo.. |
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| 20:59.14 | gnarface | wald0: perhaps an issue with -bigmem kernels? i admit its been a while since i ran one of those |
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| 20:59.31 | daemon_mum | kalpinc i dont see mumble 1.2.3 in testing either |
| 21:00.35 | gnarface | wow i just checked out mumble looks neat. teamspeak, skype & ventrillo be damned!!! |
| 21:00.50 | gnarface | how come nobody tells me about this shit??? |
| 21:01.07 | gnarface | i've been using fucking google phone |
| 21:01.10 | Guest75981 | are you kidding.... |
| 21:01.47 | gnarface | ok a little... teamspeak is kinda nice... but fuck ventrillo |
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| 21:15.59 | DammitJim | anyone have a good tutorial for setting up spamassassin with exim4? |
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| 21:18.15 | orudie | how can I verify the timezone and time in my server ? |
| 21:18.45 | karlpinc | orudie: cat /etc/default/rcS |
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| 21:19.14 | dondelelcaro | orudie: zdump /etc/localtime; but it depends on what you mean by "verify the timezone and time" |
| 21:19.21 | karlpinc | orudie: That and the date command. |
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| 21:20.42 | orudie | karlpinc, does this look right for UTC-5 ? http://paste.debian.net/113942/ |
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| 21:21.42 | karlpinc | orudie: You could always "dpkg-reconfigure locale" and not change anything IIRC. |
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| 21:22.58 | orudie | karlpinc, locale is not installed, how can I install it ? |
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| 21:24.06 | karlpinc | orudie: Your rcS says that your hardware clock is in utc, which is fine. If "date" has the right time you should be in the right timezone. |
| 21:24.38 | orudie | karlpinc, okay |
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| 21:26.48 | karlpinc | orudie: locale is not the right package name. |
| 21:27.04 | karlpinc | orudie: You can run the tzselect command to (re)set your timezone if you like. |
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| 21:28.20 | karlpinc | orudie: (I think it's "dpkg-reconfigure libc6" to reset all the "core" stuff, but don't bother if all you want is the timezone.) |
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| 21:29.20 | qwd | Debian Squeeze AMD64 Gnome. My computer suddenly started acting strange. I can't alt-tab or choose another application, I have to close the second one I opened before I can use the first one. Right clicking gives me no menu, neither does the menu button on the keyboard. I rebooted and the problem persists. What's going on? |
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| 21:30.46 | qwd | I can't move windows or close them by clicking the X either, I have to do alt+f4 |
| 21:30.56 | gnarface | qwd: perhaps a problem with some program misbehaving with regards to grabbing mouse focus (i've seen this with things like iceweasel/firefox and programs run in wine set to "fullscreen" but with wine set to run in a window) |
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| 21:31.36 | gnarface | qwd: specifically using the nvidia binary driver, btw |
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| 21:32.32 | Burnz | Hello |
| 21:33.02 | Burnz | Is there a solution to backup my webserver to my external backup FTP ? |
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| 21:33.53 | karlpinc | Burnz: You want to use ftp to backup? Do you _have_ to use ftp? |
| 21:34.25 | gnarface | Burnz: you can do just about anything with shell scripts but ssh/scp makes things is a *lot* nicer |
| 21:34.32 | qwd | gnarface: it worked as it should for a short while, then I started iceweasel and it's back to not working. Iceweasel isn't running anymore though. Very strange. I have integrated Intel graphics so no nvidia problem. |
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| 21:35.37 | gnarface | qwd: when this happens to me i just mouse out to the desktop background for a beat (1 to 2 seconds or so till i see the window manager's focus highlighting release) then carefully mouse directly back into only the program i want at that moment |
| 21:36.14 | gnarface | qwd: fyi though i'm using e16 as a window manager, and i have focus-follows-mouse set to strict... all bets are off if you do not |
| 21:36.51 | Burnz | I actually only have FTP access, I could ask for SSH access from my host |
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| 21:36.58 | qwd | gnarface: don't think the problem are related, I can go to the desktop with a hotkey but that doesn't solve anything, and I can't click on any menus on the panel either now. |
| 21:37.07 | Burnz | I'd like to have Scheduled Backups to transfers my files and sql backup to the backupftp |
| 21:37.32 | gnarface | Burnz: ask for ssh access.... ftp alone won't allow you to tar inline while preserving permissions |
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| 21:38.16 | nevyn | gnarface: he doesn't need to do the tar inline. |
| 21:38.26 | qwd | I'll try another reboot. |
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| 21:39.37 | gnarface | nevyn: probably not but how much harder is it gonna be to get chron to do database snapshots and permission-preserving tars of files with only ftp access... honestly i'd be surprised if that was even possible |
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| 21:40.22 | nevyn | just do the tars. with -p then ncftpput |
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| 21:40.59 | gnarface | well you help him with that then. i'm skeptical honestly that this is a viable solution still |
| 21:41.20 | gnarface | can't get shit done without shell access |
| 21:41.22 | SLot | hi all |
| 21:41.24 | SLot | how to disable the ssl in cups? |
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| 21:43.32 | MrFrood | SLot: I can't help but I'm curiouse as to why? |
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| 21:44.02 | gnarface | ssl is in cups? |
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| 21:44.44 | SLot | MrFrood, because I'm having trouble with the company's support that work, no biggie. |
| 21:44.55 | SLot | gnarface, yes. https |
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| 21:53.53 | Frans-Willem | Hi, I've just installed a new debian testing system from the netinst images, but now after it boots it doesn't respond to any input (usb kb, usb mouse, ps2 kb), and just shows the X login screen. It doesn't respond to SSH either, but samba seems to be up. From the boot messages it appears udev failed to start. Would anyone have any idea how to fix this ? |
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| 21:55.31 | yeah-right | Is debian live puond debian-live? |
| 21:55.36 | yeah-right | pound? |
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| 21:56.03 | DetroitLibertyPe | if after I updated to squeeze I have no audio, is it a good chance my issue is non-free firmware required? |
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| 21:56.24 | streuner | no |
| 21:56.37 | babilen | !tell yeah-right -about live |
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| 21:56.53 | DetroitLibertyPe | any idea then why I have no audio now? |
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| 21:57.13 | streuner | well, in most cases, because ALSA doesnt work? |
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| 21:58.03 | Amnesia | hm |
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| 21:58.08 | streuner | DetroitLibertyPe: Do you use ALSA? |
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| 21:58.16 | Amnesia | I want to install a collection of dependecies |
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| 21:58.26 | Amnesia | and put them in one metapackage or something |
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| 21:58.32 | DetroitLibertyPe | streuner yes |
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| 21:59.02 | Amnesia | I've made a deb |
| 21:59.10 | cinix_ | Is there a way to tell what modules are claiming a certain USB device? I've read through syslog, and removed the module it references. I'm trying to use it in virtualbox and it still says it's unavailable |
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| 21:59.24 | Amnesia | Unpacking mplayer-deps (from mplayer-deps.deb) ... |
| 21:59.27 | Amnesia | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mplayer-deps: |
| 21:59.27 | dpkg | amnesia: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>. |
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| 21:59.46 | Amnesia | I just want to install the package without having to use " apt-get install -f" |
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| 22:00.08 | ddan | Amnesia, you should past your CONTROL file inside the package |
| 22:00.16 | Amnesia | will do sec |
| 22:00.24 | ddan | Amnesia, on pastebin.com of course |
| 22:00.29 | Amnesia | ddan: http://pastie.org/1793123 |
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| 22:01.15 | Amnesia | hm essential isnt correct:p\ |
| 22:02.05 | Amnesia | ddan: any idea? |
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| 22:03.28 | Amnesia | is it possible at all? |
| 22:03.29 | Frans-Willem | Is there a way to force debian to not start X from grub ? |
| 22:03.50 | ddan | Amnesia, seems correct to me |
| 22:04.04 | streuner | Frans-Willem: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 22:04.07 | Amnesia | yep |
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| 22:04.17 | Amnesia | but I don't want to have to use "apt-get install -f" |
| 22:04.58 | DetroitLibertyPe | /msg |
| 22:05.12 | themill | Amnesia: why not? |
| 22:05.31 | Amnesia | well it'd be easier to just use; apt-get install mplayer-deps |
| 22:05.41 | babilen | Amnesia: ... and you spiked my interest. Why do you need this package in the first place? |
| 22:05.42 | Amnesia | or dpkg -i mplayer-deps |
| 22:05.42 | Amnesia | and press y |
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| 22:05.57 | Amnesia | I compiled the mplayer svn |
| 22:06.00 | themill | Amnesia: in which case you need to create a repo and feed that in your sources.list; /msg dpkg own repo |
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| 22:06.13 | Amnesia | ah ok |
| 22:06.32 | themill | Amnesia: or just use apt-get -f install; it's not that big a deal |
| 22:06.35 | Amnesia | I can't do it with a single package? |
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| 22:06.58 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 22:07.32 | ZenWalker | there is any package with any plugin openjdk ? |
| 22:07.41 | ddan | Amnesia, if you dont mind the package you could just use a script, like #!/bin/bash apt-get install blah blah |
| 22:07.45 | ZenWalker | (for the webs with java) |
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| 22:07.59 | Amnesia | well yes I know |
| 22:08.01 | qwd | well, I tried rebooting and the problem is still there. I still can't alt+tab or move windows, and I didn't even open iceweasel this time. it was like that from start, then it worked for a couple of seconds, and now it doesn't work again. |
| 22:08.20 | Amnesia | but that wouldnt give me the abillity to use: apt-get purge mplayer-deps |
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| 22:08.29 | themill | ,info icedtea6-plugin |
| 22:08.32 | judd | Package icedtea6-plugin (web, extra) in squeeze/i386: web browser plugin based on OpenJDK and IcedTea to execute Java applets. Version: 6b18-1.8.3-2; Size: 77.5k; Installed: 260k; Homepage: http://openjdk.java.net/ |
| 22:08.34 | themill | ZenWalker: ^^ |
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| 22:09.04 | ddan | Amnesia, you can use a switch that checks for "install" and "uninstall" |
| 22:09.11 | ZenWalker | themill: thanks |
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| 22:09.21 | ActionParsnip | ,info openjdk-6-jre |
| 22:09.23 | judd | Package openjdk-6-jre (java, optional) in squeeze/i386: OpenJDK Java runtime, using Hotspot JIT. Version: 6b18-1.8.3-2; Size: 249.0k; Installed: 804k; Homepage: http://openjdk.java.net/ |
| 22:09.28 | Amnesia | hm true |
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| 22:10.00 | Amnesia | amnesia@Candycase:~/mplayer/pkg$ aptrmp mplayer-deps |
| 22:10.05 | Amnesia | E: Unable to locate package mplayer-deps |
| 22:10.07 | Amnesia | :/ |
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| 22:10.53 | zleslie | dpkg: ping |
| 22:10.53 | dpkg | pong |
| 22:10.56 | zleslie | woot |
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| 22:11.33 | WarrenChild | anyone know any good security camera surveillance software? |
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| 22:12.04 | fredden | WarrenChild, motion works well |
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| 22:12.29 | carlos_eduardo | hello, somebody can help me to install debian 6 with raid 1? |
| 22:12.30 | Frans-Willem | Hmmm, my just installed debian testing system doesn't seem to recognize any hardware, initial messages seem to state udev failed, but I can't find anything about that in dmesg. Any help ? |
| 22:12.32 | DetroitLibertyPe | WOW! is Squeeze like Windows? I just muted and unmuted my audio and now it works! |
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| 22:13.52 | SLot | disable tls in cups : DefaultEncryption Never :) |
| 22:14.11 | carloimperia | Carlos: you have to create part like raid |
| 22:14.20 | ZenWalker | thanks themill :) |
| 22:14.42 | SLot | MrFrood, DefaultEncryption Never :) |
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| 22:14.45 | carloimperia | after you have to use the menu RAID |
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| 22:14.58 | carlos_eduardo | carloimperia, i have two hd sata 500gb |
| 22:15.05 | MrFrood | SLot: kewl |
| 22:15.13 | WarrenChild | fredden: have you used motion? is there a GUI tool for it? |
| 22:16.06 | carloimperia | OK, you have to create the partition, denote like RAID, and have to use the RAID menu |
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| 22:16.22 | fredden | WarrenChild, only used it without a gui. it records an image when it's significantly different from the previous image |
| 22:16.50 | carlos_eduardo | carloimperia, During installation, at the partitioning I create three partitions on each hard drive |
| 22:17.03 | carlos_eduardo | carloimperia, one of 50gb for / |
| 22:17.04 | carloimperia | The 1st thing is to create in the 2 disk the same part in disk 1 and 2. |
| 22:17.34 | gnarface | fredden: motion is for use with v4l2 devices, like usb webcams? |
| 22:17.35 | carlos_eduardo | carloimperia, can i speak with you with pm? |
| 22:18.19 | carloimperia | ok |
| 22:18.22 | WarrenChild | I ne3ed a program that is made for video surveillance cameras not webcams |
| 22:18.24 | gnarface | fredden: i'm curious for my own purposes as well |
| 22:18.44 | fredden | gnarface, http://www.lavrsen.dk/foswiki/bin/view/Motion/WorkingDevices |
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| 22:19.15 | fredden | WarrenChild, so you want it to record video, rather than stills? |
| 22:19.27 | WarrenChild | yea |
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| 22:19.46 | WarrenChild | for a business type setting |
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| 22:20.27 | gnarface | WarrenChild: do you still need it to auto-detect motion, or do you just want a constant 24/7 video feed from the camera? |
| 22:20.27 | Bushmills | mencoder can read from v4l devices, and encode nicely on-the-fly |
| 22:20.36 | WarrenChild | 24/7 feed |
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| 22:21.05 | gnarface | anything does that... mencoder/mplayer, vlc, ffmpeg, even cat, in some cases |
| 22:21.23 | gnarface | the trick at that point isn't capture, its playback |
| 22:21.34 | WarrenChild | well, does it have a server for veiwng over the web? |
| 22:21.40 | gnarface | aaah |
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| 22:21.46 | gnarface | the crux of it, you want web access |
| 22:21.48 | WarrenChild | and TPZ control? |
| 22:21.59 | Bushmills | ah. icecast, ffmpeg to ogm |
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| 22:22.56 | gnarface | what is TPZ again? i used to know |
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| 22:23.09 | WarrenChild | tilt pan zoom control |
| 22:23.10 | Bushmills | i think ezstream was the client i used then |
| 22:23.55 | gnarface | WarrenChild: in my experience that would be driver specific or application specific, some of them do a good job at TPZ for a given camera, some do not |
| 22:24.31 | gnarface | WarrenChild: what cameras are you using? |
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| 22:26.11 | WarrenChild | gnarface: http://www.nightowlsp.com/camcm01245overview.htm |
| 22:26.36 | WarrenChild | that camera specifically has no TPZ |
| 22:26.42 | WarrenChild | but the ones I will buy in the future will... |
| 22:26.56 | WarrenChild | I just need good video surveillance software to use |
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| 22:27.44 | gnarface | WarrenChild: *that* camera appears to require an RCA connection, am i wrong? in which case you should be able to use any software capable of reading the tv tuner card you connect it to (which is anything as long as there is kernel support - ffmpeg, xine, mplayer, etc) |
| 22:28.05 | keith4_ | i was going to do a fresh 32-bit squeeze install on this IBM box, but the installer kernel panics during hardware detection. thoughts? |
| 22:28.10 | WarrenChild | Yes, but I want a professional tool... |
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| 22:28.25 | WarrenChild | with a webserver, and all sorts of goodiws to go in it |
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| 22:29.35 | gnarface | WarrenChild: i would advise you first try vlc or mplayer or ffmpeg/ffplay (others may disagree) |
| 22:30.16 | gnarface | keith4_: it isn't an IBM netvista box perchance, is it? |
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| 22:30.27 | keith4_ | gnarface, nope. intellistation z pro |
| 22:30.45 | gnarface | keith4_: cpu and video card models? |
| 22:30.56 | WarrenChild | gnarface: vlc media player? |
| 22:30.59 | babilen | WarrenChild: zoneminder maybe? (apt-cache search camera surveillance ; apt-cache show zoneminder) |
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| 22:31.03 | gnarface | WarrenChild: correct |
| 22:31.05 | Bushmills | WarrenChild: do you know these cams? need for TPZ control eliminated: https://www.mobotix.com/eng_GB/ |
| 22:31.19 | babilen | mobotix is good |
| 22:31.20 | keith4_ | gnarface, dual xeon, some crappy geforce 2 mx card |
| 22:31.37 | keith4_ | gnarface, it's angry about the fusion MPT SCSI controller, methinks |
| 22:31.56 | gnarface | keith4_: sorry got nothing then. could try pulling the scsi controller during install and then try it later? |
| 22:32.03 | keith4_ | it's onboard |
| 22:32.20 | keith4_ | and i'm... using it ;-) |
| 22:32.59 | gnarface | keith4_: bios disable? also i found that the squeeze installer makes a gentoo setup that includes "quiet" as the default kernel param--- you might want to erase that to get more informative kernel output. that's how i ultimately figured out what was wrong with my netvista box |
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| 22:34.23 | keith4_ | it's similar to this bug, but instead of getting initramfs shell, i get a kernel panic: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/576302/.3 |
| 22:34.27 | keith4_ | er, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/576302/ |
| 22:35.10 | gnarface | keith4_: uh,,, ubuntu? |
| 22:35.20 | Bushmills | take note of "MOBOTIX network cameras also possess an integrated, very high-performance Linux computer, which performs all the image editing,..." |
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| 22:35.32 | keith4_ | gnarface, yes, the bug happens to be filed against the ubuntu kernel |
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| 22:35.45 | keith4_ | i'm unable to find it as a debian bug, though |
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| 22:37.53 | keith4_ | ah hah. found it. it's this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=612900 |
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| 22:39.40 | gnarface | btrfs related? |
| 22:40.18 | keith4_ | this is a blank SCSI disk. booting the debian-6.0.1a 32-bit netinst that i just downloaded/burned |
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| 22:41.34 | gnarface | keith4_: so can you at least try to narrow it down definitively to the scsi card by disabling the scsi card in the bios? |
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| 22:44.47 | keith4_ | gnarface, just booted without the scsi disk plugged in, and now it's fine (other than not having a disk to install onto ;-) |
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| 22:45.09 | ZenWalker | hi |
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| 22:45.43 | gnarface | keith4_: let me caveat this next suggestion with the statement that this is not the debian way but ... have you checked to make sure you have the latest motherboard firmware and scsci card firmware for this thing? |
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| 22:46.12 | ZenWalker | I am using nouveau, on glxinfo|grep render: OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer (debian testing) |
| 22:46.15 | keith4_ | gnarface, nope. i didn't suspect the hardware, because the original way i found this bug was by doing a lenny->squeeze upgrade... |
| 22:46.17 | ZenWalker | this is normal, on nouveau? |
| 22:46.57 | gnarface | keith4_: other than that i got nothing for you.... but in my experience there are plenty of times when i've had random bugs that are rare that not everyone using the same hardware has that recently appeared in the latest kernel version that magically go away if i upgrade my bios |
| 22:47.11 | keith4_ | gnarface, tis a good suggestion |
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| 22:47.47 | babilen | ZenWalker: yes |
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| 22:48.06 | carlos_eduardo | some brazilian here?? |
| 22:48.13 | gnarface | ZenWalker: nouveau still has no hardware 3d accel. support |
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| 22:49.00 | babilen | carlos_eduardo: probably, why? |
| 22:49.01 | gnarface | !brazilian |
| 22:49.02 | gnarface | ? |
| 22:49.07 | gnarface | !br |
| 22:49.07 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:49.26 | gnarface | carlos_eduardo: ^^ did that make sense to you? |
| 22:49.41 | gnarface | can't even tell if that was the right factoid |
| 22:49.51 | carlos_eduardo | debian-br is only with invitation |
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| 22:50.07 | babilen | it was -- if carlos_eduardo is actually looking for a portuguese speaking channel |
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| 22:50.54 | gnarface | might be a naive assumption on my part, but don't they speak portugese in brazil? |
| 22:51.18 | carlos_eduardo | yes... |
| 22:51.20 | babilen | they do |
| 22:51.23 | carlos_eduardo | i speak portuguese |
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| 22:52.05 | gnarface | weird it would be invite only |
| 22:52.13 | gnarface | does he have to get an invite from here? |
| 22:52.13 | babilen | carlos_eduardo: so, what can we do for you? |
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| 22:52.43 | themill | carlos_eduardo: there's a #debian-br on irc.oftc.net |
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| 22:53.15 | babilen | themill: there is one on freenode too |
| 22:53.16 | gnarface | carlos_eduardo: english only in this channel, sorry. but we will help you with your debian questions |
| 22:53.43 | gnarface | or at least we will try |
| 22:53.52 | themill | babilen: not particularly useful when it's +i, however. |
| 22:54.04 | carlos_eduardo | ok |
| 22:54.10 | carlos_eduardo | but my english is bad |
| 22:54.20 | babilen | themill: yup |
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| 22:54.44 | carlos_eduardo | i trying to install debian squeeze with raid1 |
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| 22:54.57 | carlos_eduardo | but I do not know what is happening |
| 22:55.01 | gnarface | this is becoming a recurring theme today |
| 22:55.36 | carlos_eduardo | i have 2 Hard disks of 500gb |
| 22:55.40 | carlos_eduardo | same brand, same model |
| 22:55.59 | gnarface | carlos_eduardo: what scsi controller and motherboard model? |
| 22:56.05 | jelly-home | hah, scsi |
| 22:56.11 | carlos_eduardo | and i create three identical partition on bot hd |
| 22:56.29 | carlos_eduardo | gnarface, the motherboard is intel dp55gw |
| 22:57.13 | carlos_eduardo | after i create the partitions, when i configuring the raid with software |
| 22:57.16 | gnarface | god i hate scsi |
| 22:57.19 | carlos_eduardo | in the debian setup |
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| 22:57.43 | carlos_eduardo | it shows me only 2GB |
| 22:57.48 | carlos_eduardo | one partition of 2gb |
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| 22:58.11 | carlos_eduardo | not three as i had created |
| 22:58.25 | gnarface | wow |
| 22:58.28 | gnarface | well i fold |
| 22:58.31 | gnarface | anyone else have any ideas? |
| 22:59.24 | carlos_eduardo | i've tried several ways to create the raid |
| 22:59.32 | carlos_eduardo | after installation |
| 22:59.36 | Rienzilla | are the partitions still there? (fdisk -l /dev/sda; fdisk -l /dev/sdb)? |
| 22:59.39 | carlos_eduardo | my cfdisk retruns |
| 22:59.49 | carlos_eduardo | now i dont have any partitions |
| 23:00.00 | carlos_eduardo | i want to install now |
| 23:00.05 | carlos_eduardo | my cfdisk returns |
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| 23:00.15 | carlos_eduardo | FATAL ERROR: partitions ends in the final partial cylinder |
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| 23:01.46 | gnarface | i've got no idea but i *really* want to know what caused this |
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| 23:09.13 | ZenWalker | nouveau with acceleration :DDD |
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| 23:14.25 | apwxxsdf | Hi, how to remove all priviliges from user? |
| 23:14.50 | daemonkeeper | Delete it |
| 23:14.57 | apwxxsdf | disabling all cmds (ls, cd etc) for that user etc |
| 23:14.59 | themill | deluser |
| 23:15.14 | gnarface | disable password, kill -9 bash shell |
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| 23:16.14 | apwxxsdf | hm, I don't want to delete that user |
| 23:16.25 | themill | ,info eatmydata --release sid |
| 23:16.27 | judd | Package eatmydata (utils, optional) in sid/i386: library and utilities designed to disable fsync and friends. Version: 26-2; Size: 7.6k; Installed: 72k; Homepage: https://launchpad.net/libeatmydata |
| 23:16.30 | themill | jelly-home: ^^ |
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| 23:17.02 | gnarface | apwxxsdf: you can disable their login by deleting/replacing their password then killing the login shell (if they are currently logged in) that pretty much disables them |
| 23:17.10 | apwxxsdf | that user should run only scripts in it's folder, nothing more |
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| 23:17.31 | apwxxsdf | for example |
| 23:17.35 | themill | presumably the scripts run other commands, however |
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| 23:17.44 | gnarface | apwxxsdf: then in that case you want to look into chrooted ssh which i think should in the latest versions of openssh be a default capability of the sshd_config |
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| 23:19.04 | jelly-home | themill: a LD_PRELOAD wrapper? that's just silly |
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| 23:20.42 | themill | jelly-home: tell MoDaX that |
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| 23:30.53 | Craigwd_2000 | I've got really bad news...: my PC just experienced a Kernel Panic due to a failed Resume from Hibernate... Somebody else had an issue with the newer v. 2.6.38-X Debian Kernel...: apparently related to the Radeon driver's use of KMS page flipping... A proposed fix was to change the Option EnablePageFlip from True to False in the system-wide xorg.conf file... Strangely enough Debian Kernels based on v. 2.6.37 didn't e |
| 23:30.53 | Craigwd_2000 | have this issue at all...: the bug appears to be related to some new Kernel feature that v. 2.6.38-X Kernels have enabled & the 2.6.37 Kernels don't have this feature enabled... Should I edit my xorg.conf file or attempt to downgrade the Kernel manually...? I'd be willing to switch to either Fluxbox or KDE 4 if anyone thinks that might eliminate the bug due to an issue in either the mesa driver or a Window Manager spe |
| 23:30.53 | Craigwd_2000 | bug... |
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| 23:32.42 | gnarface | Craigwd_2000: sounds like from what you're telling me alone, that the suggested fix is to edit the xorg.conf. i have not run into this specific issue but one should always first try the suggested fix |
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| 23:34.50 | gnarface | Craigwd_2000: since its a 1-line change to the xorg.conf it is pretty easy to reverse if you decide to.... |
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| 23:36.01 | Craigwd_2000 | Gnarface: thanks...: I only wish it was that simple... The other huge issue is that I can't activate Hybrid Deep Sleep in LXDE to try & see if this bug is a Hibernate only issue... Has anyone else tried a newer AMD64 based laptop on these newer Kernels to see if Tux On Ice actually works correctly...? |
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| 23:38.33 | gnarface | Craigwd_2000: sorry can't help you. i don't shut my computers off. |
| 23:39.09 | plucas | On Squeeze, I installed ldap with 'aptitude slapd ldap-utils'. I entered a root password upon installation, but whenver I perform any operation, it responds with 'invalid credentials'. |
| 23:39.20 | Craigwd_2000 | I'm not going to change my xorg.conf just yet in the interest of ACPI bug hunting... |
| 23:39.22 | plucas | I've tried following every debian slapd install tutorial I can find, but can't get past this step. |
| 23:39.30 | plucas | Anyone have a reccommendation? |
| 23:40.03 | gnarface | plucas: try running said commands as root? |
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| 23:41.22 | gnarface | Craigwd_2000: i vaguely remember some crap about hibernation requiring some free space near the beginning of the disk that would get clobbered in weird cases (certain graphics drivers, or dual-booting to a microsoft operating system) that there was a way around but i can't remember any specifics other than that it was a known issue with a known workaround |
| 23:42.08 | plucas | gnarface: I am root |
| 23:42.15 | gnarface | Craigwd_2000: hang around maybe someone in channel might show up who actually knows (give it a few days) |
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| 23:43.01 | gnarface | plucas: got selinux installed? other than that i got no idea |
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| 23:44.31 | plucas | gnarface: nope. This is a straight new install. Finished install, logged in as user, set up network, installed vim, then this. |
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| 23:45.43 | gnarface | plucas: sorry i don't have any meaningful lapd experience. hang around in the channel for a few days though... someone eventually will probably show up who does and in the mean time you might learn something (i always do) |
| 23:46.05 | plucas | gnarface: k thanks - hopefully I can find something sooner (in a bit of a rush) |
| 23:46.07 | Craigwd_2000 | Gnarface: Would de-activating Gallium3D in favor of the older, better tested ATI Radeon driver help...? The other weird thing is that with every single distro I've tried lately X.org always activates the Radeon driver even though their Docs specifically state that there's a much better HW accelerated, more VRAM ready & most importantly Radeon HD optimized driver... Have I been using the wrong driver for X.org in all |
| 23:46.07 | Craigwd_2000 | instances & if so how do I switch over to the Radeon HD optimized driver manually...? |
| 23:46.59 | gnarface | Craigwd_2000: i'm a nvidia fanboy :-/ |
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| 23:47.33 | plucas | q |
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| 23:49.54 | gnarface | Craigwd_2000: it might have had something to do with badly behaved ACPI bios settings using some out-of spec zone in the beginning of the disk that was meant for hibernation? its really vague and i can't find the links but i know i read about it sometime within the last 1.5 years |
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| 23:50.37 | Craigwd_2000 | Is this a known defect in the current stable release of X.org...? Previously in some distro-specific cases I've noticed that switching from the X.org radeon driver/module to the ATI/AMD Linux OpenCL bleeding edge commercial driver that fan noise goes down by a noticable amount but eventually ramps up again due to more GPU activity/better more full VRAM utilization in general... |
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| 23:53.43 | jelly-home | Craigwd_2000: free drivers for radeon and especially nvidia are bound to have bugs at any point in time. Gallium is pretty much experimental tech. |
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| 23:54.05 | Craigwd_2000 | It's almost as if X.org is activating an older Radeon optimized versus Radeon HD optimized driver/module... |
| 23:54.24 | gnarface | Craigwd_2000: fan control would be a separate issue, but its totally believable that the commercial software would spin the fan slower by default at a given temperature than the open source software - because the commercial drivers are made by someone who want you to buy a new video card every 1.3 years when the old one burns out (typically due to heat damage, in modern video cards) |
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| 23:55.20 | gnarface | whereas the open source drivers are more likely to just be programmed to keep your hardware as cool as possible |
| 23:56.09 | gnarface | radeon driver situation is a mess |
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| 23:57.20 | Craigwd_2000 | Does anyone know if the X.org radeon/radeon hd notes are not quite correct or what the heck is going on with these wrong/mis-named X.org Radeon specific drivers/modules...? |
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