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| 00:02.24 | gnarface | Craigwd_2000: i know that i don't know, but i also know that we are ALL hoping the AMD buyout of ATI will lead to better driver unification and more *real* openness |
| 00:03.20 | gnarface | Craigwd_2000: but i assure you that if you *can* find the *right* documentation to go with the RIGHT driver for your specific ATI card you should be able to get pretty good behavior+ performance out of it |
| 00:04.13 | gnarface | Craigwd_2000: and i'm sad to say that i gave up on them long ago because nvidia is doing a better job, which is really sad to say, because nvidia is also generally far less open with the important parts of their 3d acceleration driver core implementation |
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| 00:05.39 | Craigwd_2000 | If I switch to AMD64 Fluxbox how will it be configured by default...? Is the default config like a AMD64 version of the MEPIS i686 Debian Testing based antiX/Debian AntiFlux...? |
| 00:07.13 | gnarface | jesus i really don't know the answer to that question... it sounds like you're expecting your video card drivers and your Xorg config to be directly coupled to your window manager which is a concept so mind-bogglingly inaccurate i don't even know how to approach advising you on it |
| 00:07.16 | MeglaW | i dont get it. my /home is 400MB, yet system seems to take up 6.6GB besides that |
| 00:07.23 | MeglaW | and i donno what to get rid of |
| 00:07.27 | MeglaW | help pls |
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| 00:09.15 | Craigwd_2000 | More importantly though...: I need a stable WM too...: Hibernate is great but if Tux On Ice is implemented correctly that would be even better too... |
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| 00:09.48 | gnarface | well if you want stable you gotta get the hell away from gnome and kde |
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| 00:10.09 | gnarface | try something that hasn't had any significant feature adds or bug reports for the past decade or so - like e16 |
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| 00:10.22 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Is this the official chatroom for debian or just freenodes version? |
| 00:10.26 | gnarface | might not be the flashiest, but you'll find reliability |
| 00:11.02 | abrotman | JaMeSiTeGeN: why does it matter? |
| 00:11.21 | gnarface | JaMeSiTeGeN: i'm not authoritative on this subject but i believe this *is* the official *english* chatroom for debian tech support (check /topic) |
| 00:11.36 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Why is it we can get iceweasel-4.0 (firefox) in stable yet we have absolutly no way to get gnome-shell in stable? |
| 00:11.36 | Arrowmaster | JaMeSiTeGeN: its not |
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| 00:11.54 | abrotman | JaMeSiTeGeN: you can't officially get IW4.0 in stable |
| 00:12.01 | Arrowmaster | iceweasel-4.0 is in stable? since when? |
| 00:12.19 | abrotman | it's not |
| 00:12.49 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Arrowmaster: Not in stable, stable, but `deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports iceweasel-4.0` |
| 00:12.59 | JaMeSiTeGeN | allows it to be installed on stable. |
| 00:13.06 | abrotman | tha'ts not official .. |
| 00:13.16 | JaMeSiTeGeN | apt-get install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel |
| 00:13.21 | abrotman | still not official |
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| 00:13.43 | JaMeSiTeGeN | abrotman: Correct, but it is a repo that you can add to get the update, so why can we not get gnome-shell? |
| 00:13.59 | abrotman | because your lazy ass hasn't packaged it yet? |
| 00:14.43 | Craigwd_2000 | Gnarface: The reason I'm investigating AMD64 FluxBox at all is that I'm hoping that my problematic ACPI implementation will benefit from it as much as Pentium III-M/Pentium M based TXX ThinkPads seem to like FluxBox's ACPI better than KDE 4's on certain TXX ThinkPads though after further testing it seems that they like KDE 4 even more so ACPI-wise... |
| 00:14.59 | JaMeSiTeGeN | abrotman: Its not my part to package it, if i do, then it will still not go in a repo for anyone to add. (Okay i do have server in which could host it but i do not feel my connection is up for a repo) |
| 00:15.34 | abrotman | then you don't get to complain if it isn't packaged .. it would be unofficial .. and perhaps the maintainers have something better to work on than providing you with unofficial packages |
| 00:15.38 | Arrowmaster | you could always backport it from experimental |
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| 00:15.47 | MrFrood | abrotman: I thought backports was now part of Debian and hosted on Debian servers? |
| 00:15.57 | abrotman | MrFrood: that backport is not |
| 00:16.10 | MrFrood | ok |
| 00:16.13 | abrotman | MrFrood: note the URL |
| 00:16.16 | JaMeSiTeGeN | How do you backport a single package and the required updates from experimental? |
| 00:16.24 | JaMeSiTeGeN | `deb http://...???` |
| 00:16.29 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: tell JaMeSiTeGeN about ssb |
| 00:16.42 | abrotman | there aren't source packages for stuff in experimental |
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| 00:17.02 | Arrowmaster | oh |
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| 00:17.28 | mns | can't it be taken from sid ? |
| 00:18.03 | MrFrood | abrotman: thats from the Debian Iceweasal team, but do have to admit not offical |
| 00:18.06 | abrotman | gnome3 isn't in sid |
| 00:18.22 | selbeimanti | hi, i have postgresql starting up at boot time. is there anything in a standard install that depends on it, or can i uninstall it without breaking anything? (apt-get removing it does not suggest any non-postgresql packages to be removed with it) |
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| 00:19.23 | abrotman | selbeimanti: do you want to stop it from starting or completely remove it? |
| 00:19.38 | Craigwd_2000 | I have one more concern...: I currently own a Meade DX-90 computerized telescope & I'd like to be able to control it via my IO-Gear USB to Serial Dongle/Bridge once I get it calibrated & fully aligned/functional... What's the best software for that ATM...? |
| 00:20.16 | JaMeSiTeGeN | ahh, brb webchat is killing my eyes, hellp irssi |
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| 00:20.55 | mns | Craigwd_2000: there is an astronomy linux website that I came across earlier today, let me see if I've still got it around, that might have better pointers for you on that topic |
| 00:21.09 | Craigwd_2000 | IOGear* |
| 00:21.13 | selbeimanti | abrotman: if it's not needed completely remove it. |
| 00:21.23 | abrotman | selbeimanti: so seems safe to remove then |
| 00:21.29 | selbeimanti | ok thx |
| 00:21.45 | selbeimanti | it's on an eeepc, no reason to bloat it more than necessary. |
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| 00:22.12 | JaMeSiTeGeN | waiting for other updates to take place, so back in webchat. |
| 00:22.42 | JaMeSiTeGeN | So what would be the apt line for getting gnome-shell from experimental into squeeze/stable? |
| 00:23.29 | mns | Craigwd_2000: http://aperturefever.wordpress.com/ |
| 00:23.32 | Arrowmaster | since apparently experimental doesnt have sources available there isnt a safe way to do it |
| 00:24.00 | JaMeSiTeGeN | okay, unsafe way? |
| 00:24.08 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Arrowmaster: ^^ |
| 00:24.52 | Arrowmaster | its rather complicated and will probably break your install |
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| 00:25.25 | JaMeSiTeGeN | I dont care, nothing important in this fresh install. (I have an img copy of my install so i can very easily rolback) |
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| 00:27.08 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Arrowmaster: ^^ |
| 00:27.13 | Arrowmaster | well you could move to unstable and add experimental to your sources, mixing stable with unstable and experimental sounds like a disaster waiting to happen |
| 00:27.13 | mns | why not just download gnome3 source from gnome.org and build it and install it ? |
| 00:27.21 | Arrowmaster | or that |
| 00:27.51 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Aperently gnome-shell does not compile correctly. |
| 00:27.56 | JaMeSiTeGeN | mns: ^^ |
| 00:27.57 | abrotman | or just be patient and wait for proper backports? |
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| 00:28.12 | JaMeSiTeGeN | nah, how about for debian-testing? |
| 00:28.24 | JaMeSiTeGeN | less stable, yet stable enough for a desktop |
| 00:28.27 | mns | well that compile problem is probably whats keeping it in experimental still. |
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| 00:28.45 | s3phir0th115 | Anyone know a workaround for > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=613087 ? |
| 00:28.54 | mns | JaMeSiTeGeN: I use debian testing. that's been my main OS for at least 5-6 years. Since before Lenny. |
| 00:29.15 | abrotman | there still aren't backports |
| 00:29.28 | JaMeSiTeGeN | i'l try to compile it very soon, first i'll upgrade from stable to testing, should I just change the /etc/apt/sources.list file and `aptitude update;aptitude safe-upgrade` |
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| 00:29.55 | mns | I would do aptitude full-upgrade |
| 00:30.02 | JaMeSiTeGeN | okay thanks mns |
| 00:30.30 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if its been long enough for squeeze->wheezy factoid to be updated |
| 00:30.33 | JaMeSiTeGeN | squeezy-updates -> wheezy-updates ? |
| 00:30.36 | JaMeSiTeGeN | or testing? |
| 00:30.45 | mns | testing |
| 00:30.49 | JaMeSiTeGeN | kk |
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| 00:31.13 | abrotman | this is going to end badly ... |
| 00:33.07 | JaMeSiTeGeN | deb ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ testing main deb-src ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ testing main deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main deb-src ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ testing/updates main deb ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ testing-updates main deb-src ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ testing-updates main deb ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-pro |
| 00:33.09 | JaMeSiTeGeN | humm. |
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| 00:33.26 | JaMeSiTeGeN | http://pastebin.com/ewuDsWDP |
| 00:33.36 | JaMeSiTeGeN | mns: is that good now? |
| 00:34.23 | JaMeSiTeGeN | mns, the non-free and contrib are removed so dont worry about them. |
| 00:34.23 | abrotman | no |
| 00:34.39 | JaMeSiTeGeN | abrotman: no ...? |
| 00:34.52 | Arrowmaster | i dont think there is a testing-updates |
| 00:35.00 | JaMeSiTeGeN | humm. |
| 00:35.09 | JaMeSiTeGeN | sure? |
| 00:35.36 | JaMeSiTeGeN | good point they are not stable-updates they are live updates. |
| 00:36.02 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Should I keep this line? `deb ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-proposed-updates main` |
| 00:36.11 | mns | JaMeSiTeGeN: everything after line 5 should go. |
| 00:36.18 | JaMeSiTeGeN | okay thanks |
| 00:36.46 | JaMeSiTeGeN | except for the last :P I want ff4/iceweasel-4 :P |
| 00:37.01 | JaMeSiTeGeN | it stays the same for squeez and testing :p |
| 00:37.11 | JaMeSiTeGeN | i checked |
| 00:37.38 | mns | if you always want the bleeding edge, use sid :) |
| 00:37.38 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Shoudl I keep the deb... >>deb-source<< |
| 00:37.59 | JaMeSiTeGeN | mns: To unstable :p tried it, never booted. gdm died |
| 00:38.12 | mns | lol ... always use startx |
| 00:38.14 | mns | :) |
| 00:38.37 | JaMeSiTeGeN | recovery mode allowed me to remove it, but again i did not think about starting x manually :p |
| 00:38.46 | mns | nice thing about having X11 and a simple window manger like stumpwm never have to worry about it crashing too much. Unless X gets fucked. |
| 00:39.20 | mns | no bling .. no taxing the cpu for gui effects .. just code and work on it :) |
| 00:39.53 | JaMeSiTeGeN | mns: Thats when you play with fb pacakges :p fbi, mplayer, fbcat, fbtruetype (I want this in debian any ideas?), fbsplash and so on. |
| 00:40.22 | JaMeSiTeGeN | mns: Its far better to have command-line and the pacakges above :p |
| 00:40.54 | JaMeSiTeGeN | So, does anyone know how to get fbtruetype from openSUSE into debian-testing? |
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| 00:41.17 | mns | JaMeSiTeGeN: its still too much bling for me lol |
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| 00:41.44 | JaMeSiTeGeN | No x server at all. mns |
| 00:41.47 | mns | JaMeSiTeGeN: get the rpm and then use "alien" to convert to .deb and install |
| 00:41.55 | Bushmills | JaMeSiTeGeN: links2 |
| 00:42.07 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Bushmills: links3? |
| 00:42.10 | JaMeSiTeGeN | links2?* |
| 00:42.32 | Bushmills | "play with fb pacakges " |
| 00:42.34 | JaMeSiTeGeN | oh package links too as in another good package |
| 00:42.50 | Bushmills | -G |
| 00:42.54 | JaMeSiTeGeN | lynx links elynx elinks dont use fbdev. |
| 00:43.13 | Bushmills | links2 can |
| 00:43.18 | JaMeSiTeGeN | just plain text. |
| 00:43.22 | JaMeSiTeGeN | humm |
| 00:43.30 | Bushmills | -G -> graphics |
| 00:43.38 | JaMeSiTeGeN | LOL |
| 00:43.40 | JaMeSiTeGeN | 474 packages upgraded, 71 newly installed, 36 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 00:43.57 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] {return} |
| 00:44.12 | Bushmills | fbterm too, of course |
| 00:44.32 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Bushmills: fbterm, why nothing good about it, is there? |
| 00:44.43 | JaMeSiTeGeN | i tried it it just made my text smaller thats it. |
| 00:44.51 | Bushmills | -s 36 |
| 00:44.56 | JaMeSiTeGeN | what? |
| 00:45.05 | Bushmills | fbterm -s 64 |
| 00:45.29 | JaMeSiTeGeN | humm, i'll try that later after all of my stable -> testing updates :p |
| 00:45.46 | urz | Hello, i'm using wpasupplicant + ifupdown + wpagui + gnome. Gnome is logging out throwing me back to the gdm prompt at random. I've discovered that it is due to wifi connecting or disconnecting. When I issue the command "/sbin/wpa_cli reassociate" to wpa_supplicant, it instantly and wrongly quits the gnome session. |
| 00:46.02 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Is there a way to talk to aptitude while it is busy to add more packages to install? |
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| 00:46.24 | Bushmills | urz: try wicd instead of wpagui |
| 00:46.45 | mns | JaMeSiTeGeN: no |
| 00:46.56 | JaMeSiTeGeN | urz: I had the same/similar problome with openSUSE-gnome-shell, every time i opened nautilus. |
| 00:47.00 | urz | Bushmills: no, i've tried other systems including that one an dislike them. There's a bug here and i'm looking for help troubleshooting |
| 00:47.42 | JaMeSiTeGeN | it turned out to be a fail setting for gsettings ... desktop.show-icons=true and it did not like it so i changed it back to false and problome solved for me. |
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| 00:48.15 | urz | Also, without wpagui running, i still have the issue. |
| 00:48.33 | mns | anyone know a good way to provide an elderly windows 7 user in the family a way to have their system remotely managed ? I was thinking using VNC, but if the IP address of their DSL connection changes, it would be too difficult for them to find out what it is |
| 00:48.36 | JaMeSiTeGeN | mns: Sure there would have to be a way. linux mint's software manager allows you to select pacakges, they download and install, and during that whole download and install you can add in other pacakges too. |
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| 00:49.03 | anon_elephant | hi! has anyone used roundup (bug tracking system)? |
| 00:49.13 | JaMeSiTeGeN | mns: Remmia or rdesktop are good. |
| 00:49.23 | urz | JaMeSiTeGeN: I'm not sure what you're talking about. Is gsettings = gconf settings? |
| 00:49.29 | JaMeSiTeGeN | but they need ultimate as ms is so evil |
| 00:49.53 | JaMeSiTeGeN | urz: gsettings is a command, or atleast on opensuse gnome-shell livecd |
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| 00:50.12 | JaMeSiTeGeN | I think it is gconf settings. yea |
| 00:50.22 | urz | JaMeSiTeGeN: I'm running debian stable, and there is no gnome-shell i don't believe. |
| 00:51.03 | JaMeSiTeGeN | mns: Remmi or rdesktop will work if they have ultimate windows 7 but if they dont, try goto assist? |
| 00:51.25 | JaMeSiTeGeN | urz: No, there is not, i was running an openSUSE gnome-shell live cd. |
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| 00:51.26 | mns | JaMeSiTeGeN: goto assist is that free ? |
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| 00:51.30 | JaMeSiTeGeN | opensuse is not debian |
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| 00:51.49 | JaMeSiTeGeN | goto assist is not free, though does have free trial. enough to get the job done? |
| 00:51.59 | JaMeSiTeGeN | well atleast untill you get a better solution. |
| 00:52.10 | mns | nahh ... ned it to be free as I'm the one going to do the support lol |
| 00:52.11 | JaMeSiTeGeN | vnc would have to win though. |
| 00:52.14 | karlpinc | mns: The professional approach is to use openvpn to setup a vpn. Have their systems continusously try to connect to yours. Then use vnc to share their desktop. |
| 00:52.20 | keith__ | gnarface: i owe you a beer |
| 00:52.33 | keith__ | the BIOS update resolved the problem. not sure why I didn't think of that |
| 00:52.33 | urz | JaMeSiTeGeN: it seems strange that a "show icons" setting would have anything to do with wifi reassociation |
| 00:52.46 | mns | I came across one solution called TeamViewer ... but it seems a little slow |
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| 00:52.57 | urz | i can consistently reproduce the issue by issuing the reassociate command to wpasupplicant |
| 00:53.15 | gnarface | keith__: hooraaay! :) |
| 00:53.16 | karlpinc | mns: If you don't have a static ip then you'll need to use a free dyndns (dynamic dns) service so that their box will be able to find yours. |
| 00:53.24 | JaMeSiTeGeN | mns: I agree with karlpinc is a reasonable approach, but again i dont use windows for anything except my mobile, my dad ont let me hack it. :( |
| 00:54.05 | JaMeSiTeGeN | urz: My problom had nothing to do with wifi just the desktop being a pain. |
| 00:54.12 | gnarface | keith__: i'm just happy to have experiences that are of use to other people |
| 00:54.20 | JaMeSiTeGeN | and restarting x. |
| 00:54.22 | karlpinc | mns: The thing about vnc by itself is that it's not secure. (And if you've got a openvpn tunnel into their network then you can, if their box permits, diagnose their network problems as well.) |
| 00:54.31 | Craigwd_2000 | Mns: actually I'm more concerned about HW compatibility software wise... My research seems to indicate that Stellarium definitely doesn't support my telescope...: at least not yet anyways... My only real options are either building a Kanotix KDE 3.5.10 based 32-Bit box or trying to see which modern WMs the brand new Kstars 4 is compatible with... Starting with Kstars 3 my telescope has been supported for years now... |
| 00:54.31 | Craigwd_2000 | re-building my 32-Bit PC is an option but I'd rather use my current AMD64 HP Pavilion laptop if I can get all of the QT-compatibility WM mess straightened out barring any ACPI or hardware issues related to my ATI/AMD RS880 & ATI SB800 which HP originally listed on the laptop's Bill of Materials/Sales Receipt incorrectly as a ATI/AMD M780G & ATI/AMD SB700 though my WinXP Pro. SP 3 x86, Vista & 7 x64 installs seemED to th |
| 00:54.31 | Craigwd_2000 | it's an ATI/AMD SB750...: until KDE 4's KInfoCenter told me the whole truth that HP apparenly didn't... Even worse still is the possibility that my PC laptop's Mobo may have Mid-Stage/Not Fully Mature versions of the North & South Bridges as evidenced by the WikiPedia articles covering them & their HW defects which causes IRQs 23-42 to be unused/non-existent...: in other words: not good...: very bad for OSes in general |
| 00:54.43 | JaMeSiTeGeN | long post :p |
| 00:54.51 | gnarface | holy craap |
| 00:55.30 | JaMeSiTeGeN | gnarface: Agree :p |
| 00:56.00 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Is everyone reading it or something? no one is talking :p |
| 00:56.18 | karlpinc | Craigwd_2000: Stellarium would not support your scope because the scope has some sort of proprietary interface? What on a scope has an interface? |
| 00:56.28 | gnarface | i just read it but i still don't know wtf he's trying to do |
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| 00:56.48 | PadawanLearner | ahoY! |
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| 00:57.03 | JaMeSiTeGeN | is waiting for Stable -> Testing updates :p |
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| 00:57.20 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Get:375 ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ testing/main locales all 2.11.2-11 [4,701 kB] |
| 00:57.21 | JaMeSiTeGeN | oupps |
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| 00:58.05 | PadawanLearner | hey JaMeSiTeGeN make sure you have a nice mirror, i heard they are pretty unreliable on your parts... |
| 00:58.13 | JaMeSiTeGeN | nooo, i tried to copy something from aptitude and i pressed <ctrl>+<c> and it died :p Epic fail :p |
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| 00:59.06 | JaMeSiTeGeN | PadawanLearner: I'm using ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/ and thinking about switching to aarnet.edu.au but not sure if they are faster, the au mirror is really quite fast. |
| 00:59.06 | gnarface | Craigwd_2000: i hate to look like a carpenter whose only tool is a hammer.... but have you checked to make sure you have all the most recent firmware for the various boards in said hp pavilion atrocity ? (by the way around here we learned aback in the 90's not to buy HP unless its a calculator) |
| 00:59.10 | karlpinc | JaMeSiTeGeN: You know about mouse copy/paste? |
| 00:59.31 | JaMeSiTeGeN | karlpinc: Yes, that is why i failed epicly :p |
| 00:59.43 | PadawanLearner | anyone uses gnucash? |
| 00:59.57 | gnarface | PadawanLearner: i do not but i've heard of it. is it any good? |
| 01:00.10 | PadawanLearner | gnarface, i just started using it |
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| 01:00.21 | Bushmills | http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=gnucash |
| 01:00.31 | karlpinc | JaMeSiTeGeN: If it was just downloading packages then you should be able to redo the command and it will pick up where it left off. If you were in the middle of installing a major release upgrade things could get more complicated. |
| 01:00.37 | karlpinc | !tell PadawanLearner about anyone |
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| 01:01.32 | PadawanLearner | been looking at it for YEARS, but only now got around to actually sitting down with a lot of paper |
| 01:01.41 | JaMeSiTeGeN | during download, hlafway finished, and did not resume :( |
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| 01:02.07 | JaMeSiTeGeN | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.12 | karlpinc | JaMeSiTeGeN: It should not have to re-download packages it fully downloaded. Those should be in the cache. |
| 01:02.13 | JaMeSiTeGeN | that does not look right for this. |
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| 01:02.28 | JaMeSiTeGeN | humm, rejected by pastebin :P |
| 01:02.48 | PadawanLearner | still a bit lost, was looking for someone that could share some nice hints |
| 01:02.53 | PadawanLearner | on it |
| 01:02.56 | JaMeSiTeGeN | karlpinc: It had half way downloaded them all, but then i acdently killed it. |
| 01:03.10 | PadawanLearner | karlpinc, thanks |
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| 01:03.17 | gnarface | JaMeSiTeGeN: try http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 01:03.28 | JaMeSiTeGeN | oh wait it did. |
| 01:03.31 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Need to get 85.5 MB/302 MB of archives. After unpacking 64.5 MB will be freed. |
| 01:03.38 | JaMeSiTeGeN | karlpinc: ^ :P |
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| 01:04.36 | Craigwd_2000 | Karlpinc: The DS-90's KeyPad connects via a modem/ethernet like cable to a 9-Pin old fashioned Serial connector that attaches to the IOGear Serial Emulator/USB Serial Bridge... Even if it works with Kstars 3/4 or assuming Stellarium ever supports it I'd probably have to hack the Serial Port baud rates/stop bit related settings if it could be made to work at all. Gnarface: all of my firmware including the Bluetooth is |
| 01:04.36 | Craigwd_2000 | current...; I can't update the BIOS ATM due to my WinXP Install's corrupted ntbootmgr bootup error... The Insyde BIOS this particular HP laptop uses won't update from a MS-DOS 8.0/FreeDOS 1.0-X based Bootable USB Key type solution... This PC is problematic in that only the Windows versions of InsydeFlash actually flash this problematic PC's BIOS at all... |
| 01:06.05 | RichiH | how do i re-read the disk in a domU? i attached a new disk and it shows in /proc/diskstats, but fdisk does not show it at all |
| 01:06.34 | gnarface | Craigwd_2000: its been a few years since i tried to connect a serial device to a usb but it required a non-standard kernel module at the time then it worked fine. are you using a stock kernel and/or have you checked to make sure that the required thingy is compiled in? |
| 01:06.46 | PadawanLearner | RichiH, what about the device, is it in place? |
| 01:06.54 | JaMeSiTeGeN | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/311f3e92/ :P |
| 01:07.02 | JaMeSiTeGeN | not so hidden :p |
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| 01:07.51 | RichiH | PadawanLearner: define "in place" |
| 01:07.59 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Does debian have debian-meetings, like fedora? |
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| 01:08.08 | gnarface | Craigwd_2000: also fyi when you say Kstars 3/4 or Stellarium have no f-ing clue what your'e talking about |
| 01:08.09 | PadawanLearner | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.42 | JaMeSiTeGeN | i hate fedora they just implement pacakages and thats almost it, they dont send much at all back to the mainstream. |
| 01:08.54 | PadawanLearner | if it's at /proc, then the kernel sees it, but you ould be missing the file handle on it |
| 01:08.58 | JaMeSiTeGeN | (gtk-update-icon-cache:16448): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Cannot open pixbuf loader module file '/usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache': No such file or directory |
| 01:08.59 | JaMeSiTeGeN | (gtk-update-icon-cache:16448(gtk-update-icon-cache:16448): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Cannot open pixbuf loader module file '/usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache': No such file or directory): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Cannot open pixbuf loader module file '/usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache': No such file or directory |
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| 01:09.10 | gnarface | Craigwd_2000: also, its clear that pc is "problematic" and so is your windows install... but if you want my advice i'd recommend you nuke it from orbit |
| 01:09.16 | JaMeSiTeGeN | What just happened? |
| 01:09.28 | JaMeSiTeGeN | I just got randomally kicked? |
| 01:09.34 | karlpinc | Craigwd_2000: The DS-90 is your scope, right? Is the protocol binary or ascii? (The latter would be a lot easier to support.) Serial is nice, in that it's universal. |
| 01:09.36 | abrotman | no .. you pasted too many lines |
| 01:09.36 | gnarface | JaMeSiTeGeN: you got kicked by the bot for pasting like a spaz |
| 01:09.39 | karlpinc | !tell JaMeSiTeGeN about paste |
| 01:09.40 | PadawanLearner | JaMeSiTeGeN, nop, you pasted a lot of lines |
| 01:09.47 | PadawanLearner | check your mouse config |
| 01:09.52 | JaMeSiTeGeN | humm. |
| 01:09.57 | PadawanLearner | are you using epic... with gpm? |
| 01:10.15 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Oh did i press [button 3] instead of [button 1] oupps. |
| 01:10.38 | JaMeSiTeGeN | i just grabbed the mouse to do something and yea :p |
| 01:10.43 | JaMeSiTeGeN | sorry about that. |
| 01:12.09 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Anyone know how to add a mouse to fbterm? |
| 01:12.39 | PadawanLearner | don't know fbterm but to console(no X) just use gpm |
| 01:12.50 | Craigwd_2000 | Gnarface: You're way ahead of me...: I don't even know the name of the Kernel Module I need to have for the USB to Serial Bridge. Karlpinc: I still need to update the KeyPad's firmware too: I don't know if it communicates in binary or ASCII Mode...: Meade Documentation for scopes like mine is virtually non-existent at best... All: Kstars is virtual planetarium software for computerized telescope control but it can be |
| 01:12.51 | Craigwd_2000 | as a stand-alone planetarium too... |
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| 01:13.10 | JaMeSiTeGeN | :p |
| 01:13.12 | karlpinc | Craigwd_2000: Serial is standard so you shouldn't need to hack the baud/stop bits stuff so much as just set it. (I'm assuming here that stellarium has serial port interface support.) I the scope's protocol propritary? (Why would you buy such an expensive piece of hardware if they won't tell you how it can be controlled?) |
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| 01:13.32 | JaMeSiTeGeN | karlpinc: :P like the pm :) |
| 01:13.50 | gnarface | karlpinc: he's trying to get it to work through a usb to serial converter though... that can get hairy |
| 01:13.51 | PadawanLearner | Craigwd_2000, grab a nice serial sniffer and have a nice cup of tea |
| 01:15.12 | karlpinc | gnarface: I bought one once, well, 4 actually, and they worked fine. But I made sure to read the kernel docs on supported devices. (I later wrote the driver author who claimed that almost anything works but better safe than sorry.) |
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| 01:15.38 | JaMeSiTeGeN | So when will lireoffice 100% replace openoffice? |
| 01:15.50 | abrotman | it hasn't? |
| 01:15.55 | gnarface | Craigwd_2000: my recommendation to you us to get a piece of hardware with a real serial port on it. using a standard serial device on a usb bus through a usb->serial conversion monstrosity is .... lets just say hazard prone at the very least |
| 01:16.06 | RichiH | PadawanLearner: hmm, you are actually making a very good point |
| 01:16.13 | RichiH | looks at mknod docs |
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| 01:17.33 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Any ideas? http://paste.debian.net/hidden/0de1a34b/ |
| 01:17.36 | karlpinc | gnarface: The trouble with your suggestion is that the whole thing has to be moved into the field. So that's mean a whole new (old) laptop. |
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| 01:18.14 | karlpinc | gnarface: Which I suppose could be cheap... |
| 01:18.20 | nevyn | Craigwd_2000: what's the problem with a usb interface? |
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| 01:18.45 | gnarface | karlpinc: i got a pentium 75 toshiba laptop here i'll sell you for the low low price of 400$ :) |
| 01:19.10 | gnarface | guaranteed working serial port |
| 01:19.18 | gnarface | plus 30MB of ram (max expansion) |
| 01:19.21 | RichiH | PadawanLearner: thanks! |
| 01:19.42 | Craigwd_2000 | Karlpinc: Good lord only knows if Meade's protocol is proprietary or not but my parents bought me the scope used for a steal at a garage sale & I was given it as an early Birthday present...: just calibrating the scope's motors due to years of inactivity alone could prove to be problematic at best... |
| 01:19.48 | nevyn | was usb serial a Class standard? |
| 01:19.57 | PadawanLearner | RichiH, there are some way's to do it by software, tough i can't help you there, a loooonnng time ago i used one for windows, but the best is to grab a nice old desktop, like the ones you get on ebay for $10, with 2 serial ports and hoock the RX line from each one to TX line from you computer controller and device |
| 01:20.32 | RichiH | PadawanLearner: i am using the disk, already |
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| 01:21.35 | PadawanLearner | RichiH, sorry, i thought you were refering to the serial sniffing, not the disk issue... :) |
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| 01:22.31 | gnarface | once i made a serial IR emitter work through USB using a custom compiled kernel (several years back now) that at the time required said custom compilation for the usb->serial conversion module.... what i learned at the time is that "SERIAL" != "USB" in any way, shape, or form, other than by the basic premise of being "serial" in their respective communication protocols. its not like you can hard wire some serial contacts to the |
| 01:22.31 | gnarface | right usb contacts and magically thereof convert a legacy serial device to being a usb device |
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| 01:23.18 | gnarface | it requires special kernel modules |
| 01:23.28 | gnarface | that (depending on the device) may or may not be device-specific |
| 01:23.33 | JaMeSiTeGeN | im watching the video you know? |
| 01:23.46 | JaMeSiTeGeN | startx; # Command not found :P |
| 01:23.52 | JaMeSiTeGeN | oupps |
| 01:23.57 | JaMeSiTeGeN | wrong window |
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| 01:24.30 | PadawanLearner | May the force be with you |
| 01:24.34 | PadawanLearner | bye |
| 01:26.00 | gnarface | karlpinc: comes with a 1.7 gb harddrive. want it? |
| 01:26.29 | gnarface | extra 100$ maybe i'll even throw in the floppy :-P |
| 01:26.36 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Any ideas? http://paste.debian.net/hidden/0de1a34b/ |
| 01:27.52 | JaMeSiTeGeN | openSUSE gnome-shell liveCD is installed on my laptop btw. |
| 01:27.56 | Craigwd_2000 | Gnarface: it can't be that hard...: it works great with WinXP last time I checked...: what makes these USB to Serial Bridges tick/work right is the fact that when Windows sees it get plugged in it's essentially a Virtual Com Port 3 or 4 or 1 or 2 depending on which USB port & whether or not the PC it's being connected to already has any onboard Mobo. UART based serial ports that are assigned Com Port #s too... |
| 01:27.57 | JaMeSiTeGeN | agg, wrong window again |
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| 01:30.44 | nevyn | Craigwd_2000: it's not that hard but quality (of both devices and drivers) does vary. |
| 01:31.13 | gnarface | Craigwd_2000: well it wasn't *that* hard when i tried it in like 2004(?) on a gentoo system with an entirely custom kernel after finding the right HOWTO so i'm sure you can figure out how to do it now in Debian but I can't give you instructions off the top of my head nor would i bet money on it working out-of-the-box with a stock kernel (not that i'd bet money on it NOT working with a stock kernel either) |
| 01:31.16 | nevyn | becuase a usb serial adapter is a device. |
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| 01:33.31 | gnarface | Craigwd_2000: its worth repeating that my experience with this has a limited level of equivalence, as i was actually using a serial IR emitter to control a cable box connected to MythTV - which is probably about a million miles apart from what you're doing, despite having the common feature of needing to connect something that is OLD-SKOOL-SERIAL to a USB bus |
| 01:33.39 | ChocoTaco | Installed squeeze with the "Disallow root login" option, and the password I entered for my sudo user doesn't work. Access denied. What can I do? |
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| 01:34.18 | ChocoTaco | box is unfortunately in a datacenter, I had to get them to start up the network-console installer for me from the CD. Hoping I don't have to go through that again. |
| 01:34.32 | nevyn | ChocoTaco: you can't login at all? |
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| 01:34.40 | ChocoTaco | apparently not |
| 01:35.00 | nevyn | you've forgotten the user password between typing it and finishing the install? |
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| 01:35.13 | ChocoTaco | I haven't forgotten it. It just rejects it. |
| 01:35.28 | Craigwd_2000 | Gnarface: I think you were probaly using a 2.4.XX Kernel back then anyways...: hopefully it's a standard 2.6.XX Series Kernel driver/module by now anyways...: if I have to re-compile it though I'm double checking to see if my North Bridge & South Bridge have their Modules fully implemented at this point in time (if not that would sure explain my Linux related ACPI issues in general...). |
| 01:35.36 | Craigwd_2000 | probably* |
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| 01:35.49 | nevyn | you didn't do something silly like get account and real name around the wrong way or something? |
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| 01:36.11 | kevin01123 | Is there a way to remove all packages NOT installed by tasksel at install? |
| 01:36.11 | JaMeSiTeGeN | arg, no gnome-theme :p |
| 01:36.14 | nevyn | Craigwd_2000: lots of cheap usb -> serial adapters exist and work. however quality does vary. |
| 01:36.15 | gnarface | Craigwd_2000: try to isolate what module is required... even if its a standard component now you may need custom module parameters set when it gets modprobed |
| 01:36.34 | kevin01123 | As in, rolling back the system to only those packages installed at the time of installation. |
| 01:36.40 | ChocoTaco | Nope, I didn't. Typed in my real name and it lowercased my first name for me as the default username. I accepted that option. |
| 01:36.44 | nevyn | there's no standard for usb -> serial (like there's no usb class for serial adapters) |
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| 01:36.57 | JaMeSiTeGeN | kevin01123: You can install tasksel now. |
| 01:37.01 | gnarface | Craigwd_2000: also, turn fucking ACPI off for now. that's an entirely separate mess you don't want to have to deal with while you're trying to get work done |
| 01:37.10 | nevyn | WTF? |
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| 01:37.30 | JaMeSiTeGeN | kevin01123: If you want gnome, install gnome-desktop-enviroment |
| 01:37.40 | ChocoTaco | Here's the thing that might have screwed it: I was in the network-console installer, I had just finished the "Install GRUB" step, and was about to select "Finish install" step. But instead I decided to double check the network settings. |
| 01:37.41 | JaMeSiTeGeN | or aptitude install gnome^ |
| 01:37.42 | nevyn | turning ACPI off on a modern (multicore) system is almost certainly and extremely BAD IDEA! |
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| 01:38.03 | ChocoTaco | So I selected "Configure network" option and apparently when you do that it immediately ifdowns the interfaces |
| 01:38.06 | ChocoTaco | and I lost my session |
| 01:38.28 | nevyn | so you just need to reboot the box. |
| 01:38.30 | ChocoTaco | but I figured that "finish install" probably just ejects and reboots so I could just have them do that at the data center |
| 01:38.36 | nevyn | yeah. |
| 01:38.37 | ChocoTaco | which they did |
| 01:38.39 | nevyn | ah. |
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| 01:38.51 | nevyn | so is sshd listening? |
| 01:39.05 | nevyn | or is the connection just timing out? |
| 01:39.07 | ChocoTaco | but now I'm thinking maybe it didn't write my user info to the drive? Is that part of "finish install"? |
| 01:39.10 | ChocoTaco | sshd is working fine |
| 01:39.18 | ChocoTaco | I just get "access denied" when I enter my password |
| 01:39.19 | JaMeSiTeGeN | https://rapidshare.com/#!download|503dt|150661579|Dj_Titon_-_Windows.mp3|2071 |
| 01:39.26 | JaMeSiTeGeN | that may work too. |
| 01:39.29 | JaMeSiTeGeN | i hacked my link :P |
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| 01:39.39 | JaMeSiTeGeN | then saved it to a file, to cat to you :p |
| 01:39.40 | nevyn | ChocoTaco: you don't have a "real" console on the remote system? |
| 01:39.48 | nevyn | ChocoTaco: ilo/kvm ? |
| 01:39.52 | JaMeSiTeGeN | oupps wrong rome |
| 01:39.54 | ChocoTaco | nope |
| 01:40.00 | JaMeSiTeGeN | room |
| 01:40.12 | nevyn | ChocoTaco: they're rather useful :) |
| 01:40.24 | Craigwd_2000 | Nevyn: I think that some research revealed that the standard for USB to Serial Bridge type devices is a IEEE USB 1.1 standard known specifically as a Class A Device the last time I checked... I have a Palm brand USB to Serial Bridge too...: just in case the IOGear one doesn't want to cooperate with the telescope... |
| 01:40.39 | JaMeSiTeGeN | webchat is throwing me to #debian and not where i am typing for a friend in a pm, strange. |
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| 01:41.17 | abrotman | get a real IRC client? |
| 01:41.17 | gnarface | nevyn: i'm not sure you're right about that ACPI thing... there's a lot of really badly behaved ACPI bioses out there that are often better disabled |
| 01:42.06 | nevyn | gnarface: yes there are but only if you're running ANCIENT bioses and ancient linuxes (where ancient is 3+years old) |
| 01:42.08 | JaMeSiTeGeN | i normally use irssi, but im upgrading :P |
| 01:42.22 | gnarface | nevyn: he's got an HP Pavilion laptop. :( |
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| 01:42.26 | JaMeSiTeGeN | upgrade just finished, good bye webchat hello irssi |
| 01:42.26 | nevyn | gnarface: and ACPI is nessicary to configure multicore/smp correctly. |
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| 01:42.43 | gnarface | nevyn: you're wrong about that part. SMP != ACPI ever |
| 01:43.22 | ChocoTaco | so is there any way the data center guys can reset my password if they have an install disc handy, or should I just redo the install and hope it works next time? |
| 01:43.29 | nevyn | if he's using a laptop he DEFINITLY wants ACPI |
| 01:43.35 | gnarface | ChocoTaco: its called "linux single" |
| 01:43.40 | nevyn | ChocoTaco: I'd re-do the install |
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| 01:43.46 | nevyn | gnarface: he doesn't have physical access. |
| 01:44.03 | gnarface | nevyn: he said is there any way "the data center guys..." which suggests direct access |
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| 01:44.22 | nevyn | gnarface: data centre guys arn't sysadmins |
| 01:44.24 | gnarface | ChocoTaco: this is something *any* data center can do for you |
| 01:44.35 | gnarface | nevyn: stop trolling :( |
| 01:44.40 | nevyn | they're not. |
| 01:44.47 | JaMeSiTeGeN | hellp irssi in green on black. |
| 01:44.49 | nevyn | they're button pushing cable running monkeys. |
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| 01:45.01 | nevyn | push the red button yep they can do that. |
| 01:45.14 | ChocoTaco | OK, I will ask them... I'm pretty sure they're already pissed off at me because I made them do the network-console arrangement and reboot the box like a million times while I was figuring out how to even get that option |
| 01:45.16 | nevyn | bring the system up in single user and reset the password is getting hairy. |
| 01:45.18 | ChocoTaco | oh well |
| 01:45.21 | JaMeSiTeGeN | ah, nice colours for my eyes :p |
| 01:45.30 | JaMeSiTeGeN | lightish green on black :p |
| 01:45.34 | JaMeSiTeGeN | perfect |
| 01:45.40 | nevyn | prefers offwhite on black. |
| 01:46.01 | gnarface | nevyn: you got some psychological damage? take it to -offtopic |
| 01:46.16 | Bushmills | ChocoTaco: no "rescue system", like, net boot, selectable from web service page? |
| 01:46.20 | gnarface | nevyn: stop purposefully giving people obviously inaccurate information |
| 01:46.26 | nevyn | gnarface: me? |
| 01:46.32 | gnarface | nevyn: some of them can't actually tell you're trolling |
| 01:46.39 | gnarface | nevyn: be nice |
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| 01:47.23 | ChocoTaco | they are a pretty small colo company (though operating in a big datacenter) so they don't have a lot of fancy stuff like remote KVM or automated rescue |
| 01:47.26 | nevyn | I'm not I don't consider that datacentre technicians are capable of performing an emergency boot on a system and setting the password. without a detailed procedure document. |
| 01:47.33 | kevin01123 | JaMeSiTeGeN: I've installed a bunch of apps using aptitude one at a time. What I want to undo is all these operations, leaving me with a bare system. |
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| 01:49.15 | Craigwd_2000 | Last time I tried I was also unable to get the Realtek NIC 8168/8111C firmware installed without apt-get complaining that the realtek-firmware package is non-existent. Where do I get its firmware from exactly...? |
| 01:49.21 | Bushmills | oh well, the joy of still using passwords ... |
| 01:50.01 | JaMeSiTeGeN | kevin01123: A fresh install, minimal system. Then install gnome-core : |
| 01:50.03 | JaMeSiTeGeN | :p* |
| 01:51.24 | Craigwd_2000 | Maybe the Realtek 8168C Gigabit Ethernet firmware might just fix the ACPI issue...: I'm just guessing here though... |
| 01:53.38 | kevin01123 | JaMeSiTeGeN: Anyway to role it back without reinstalling? |
| 01:53.40 | karlpinc | Craigwd_2000: You probably need to enable the non-free repos. |
| 01:54.13 | karlpinc | !tell Craigwd_2000 about non-free |
| 01:54.19 | Bushmills | kevin01123: purge all unwanted/unneeded packages |
| 01:54.20 | karlpinc | !tell Craigwd_2000 about overview |
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| 01:56.26 | Craigwd_2000 | Which means I need to edit my /etc/sources.list file... Is it multiple separate files by default like on Linux Mint 10/Kubuntu 10.10...? If it's in pieces I'm going to have smxi blob it back into one big sources.list file first... |
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| 01:57.05 | JaMeSiTeGeN | What did you uninstall? |
| 01:57.09 | JaMeSiTeGeN | kevin01123: ^^ |
| 01:57.58 | kevin01123 | Bushmills JaMeSiTeGeN: I want to uninstall all packages that were not apart of the Laptop and Standard System tasks. Is there any way to do this without nuking the current installatin? |
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| 01:58.44 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Yes, kevin01123: /nick kevin11 |
| 01:58.45 | JaMeSiTeGeN | lol |
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| 01:59.43 | JaMeSiTeGeN | kevin01123: so, if you want to role it back, you need to know what commands you ran. run this `history|grep aptitude' or apt-get or what ever you used. |
| 02:00.02 | JaMeSiTeGeN | paste the results to us via |
| 02:00.03 | Bushmills | Craigwd_2000: it's however you add your sources. i.e. where you add them to. |
| 02:00.04 | JaMeSiTeGeN | !paste |
| 02:00.04 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 02:01.25 | JaMeSiTeGeN | kevin01123: So what does it return? `history|grep aptitude` ? |
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| 02:05.09 | karlpinc | !tell JaMeSiTeGeN about selftell |
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| 02:06.54 | JaMeSiTeGeN | kevin01123: Are you there? |
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| 02:09.04 | JaMeSiTeGeN | My mouse looks weird when i hover over links, it never looked like that on my previous install. |
| 02:09.17 | JaMeSiTeGeN | its on an angle 90 ° |
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| 02:11.11 | JaMeSiTeGeN | http://www.megaupload.com/?d=05ZLEW0A |
| 02:11.14 | JaMeSiTeGeN | oupps |
| 02:11.19 | JaMeSiTeGeN | that was meant for a pm. |
| 02:11.28 | abrotman | JaMeSiTeGeN: please stop spamming us |
| 02:11.40 | kevin01123 | JaMeSiTeGeN: history|grep aptitude gives nothing useful. |
| 02:13.06 | JaMeSiTeGeN | kevin01123: history|grep apt-get ?? |
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| 02:13.24 | JaMeSiTeGeN | kevin01123: It will show us what packages you installed and uninstalled. |
| 02:13.47 | JaMeSiTeGeN | after inverting it, we run aptitude autoremove |
| 02:13.51 | JaMeSiTeGeN | and autoclean |
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| 02:14.50 | Craigwd_2000 | Good night all...: please pm me any replies...: I like it better that way since Colloquy's scroll up/chat room history occasionally won't let me scroll up & down through past messages/conversations... |
| 02:14.59 | JaMeSiTeGeN | abrotman: Not spamming. |
| 02:15.15 | JaMeSiTeGeN | just alt key bugging me, its gorn sticky :( |
| 02:15.26 | abrotman | get a real client .. |
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| 02:15.59 | JaMeSiTeGeN | in other words i found why it sent to wrong window. if i just touch the number 2 then it jumps here. i fixed the alt key just now. :p |
| 02:16.23 | JaMeSiTeGeN | abrotman: What is wrong with irssi, i swapped over when it installed with the updates. |
| 02:16.39 | abrotman | and you still can't work it? |
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| 02:42.11 | ChocoTaco | So apparently if you don't manage to hit "Finish installation" then you won't get your user and apparently it won't even install sudo if you chose "no root login" |
| 02:42.41 | ChocoTaco | So if you are using network-console install and you want to double check your network settings before hitting "Finish", DON'T DO IT because you will be totally hosed |
| 02:44.35 | ChocoTaco | maybe a warning would be nice when hitting "Configure network" that it will immediately drop your network console session. |
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| 02:45.28 | onecrazycat | any dhcpd gurus here tonight? Â This one is probably an easy one, but it's a little more advanced than a vanilla dhcp setup. Â I'm setting up failover, and my question is about how to define a failover peer pool if I have multiple groups and static dhcp mappings in my /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf file. |
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| 02:49.20 | DaGeek247 | is there a distro of debian for artists? like ubuntu studio does |
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| 02:51.45 | gnarface | DaGeek247: not sure what you're talking about but perhaps debian-multimedia? |
| 02:51.59 | gnarface | http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 02:52.32 | DaGeek247 | does the bot dpkg have info on it? |
| 02:52.47 | gnarface | DaGeek247: dunno try some stuff |
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| 02:52.51 | gnarface | !debian-multimedia |
| 02:52.51 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 02:53.38 | gnarface | i really don't know what ubuntu studio is so i can't say if that is along the lines with what you're looking for |
| 02:53.46 | DaGeek247 | oh. |
| 02:54.37 | onecrazycat | I love it here, everyone pretends they have no idea what Ubuntu is. It's charming. ^.^ I kid I kid |
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| 02:55.18 | onecrazycat | "What is this Oooo bunn two you speak of?" |
| 02:55.22 | dvs | pretend? |
| 02:55.34 | onecrazycat | lol |
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| 02:55.51 | abrotman | and it's still offtopic here |
| 02:56.01 | onecrazycat | I agree. |
| 02:56.33 | onecrazycat | I got banned a little too hastily the other day. I meant no harm and rather than being warned I was instabanned. |
| 02:56.51 | onecrazycat | But that's history... |
| 02:57.09 | nevyn | DaGeek247: so theres AVlinux which is based on debian but they're all really debian derivatives. |
| 02:57.17 | abrotman | onecrazycat: you were warned, multiple times |
| 02:57.45 | DaGeek247 | im on my pda right now, can someone tell me debian multimedia's main goal, and its advertised programs that are preinstalled? |
| 02:58.21 | nevyn | DaGeek247: debian multimedia is mostly about codec's and patent encumbered stuff it's nothing like ubuntu studio |
| 02:58.31 | DaGeek247 | darn. |
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| 02:59.22 | nevyn | DaGeek247: I don't think there's a -rt kernel in ubuntu but tools to build your own custom kernels are readily availible. |
| 02:59.49 | nevyn | bleh. |
| 02:59.53 | nevyn | let me try that statement again |
| 03:00.07 | nevyn | DaGeek247: I don't think there's a -rt kernel in debian but tools to build packages of your own custom kernels are readily availible. |
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| 03:00.32 | DaGeek247 | i dont want ubuntus instability, but i like that it has subversion for art peeps. i like debians stability, but im not sure if it has subversion for art peeps. |
| 03:00.55 | nevyn | DaGeek247: debian is the universal operating system. |
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| 03:01.13 | mali | nevun, ye im also wonderign |
| 03:01.19 | nevyn | DaGeek247: all the things you need are availible |
| 03:01.20 | DaGeek247 | yes |
| 03:01.27 | mali | using Kconfig to build a kernel how do i pass march=native to this |
| 03:01.49 | nevyn | !tell mali about kernel-package |
| 03:02.16 | DaGeek247 | i know how debian has lotsa sub-debians with different goals. |
| 03:02.20 | mali | thanks :) |
| 03:02.27 | onecrazycat | Debian will force you to go out there and find the packages you need yourself. Ubuntu Studio will give them to you all in one hit, but you have to ask yourself if you *need* all of them, and also if you want the instability associated with choosing a distribution with a smaller number of users, and thus smaller community to help you when things break. |
| 03:02.57 | DaGeek247 | i know i want debian. |
| 03:03.00 | nevyn | DaGeek247: are you using amd64 or i386? |
| 03:03.02 | mali | hmm, i used ubuntu studio a while .. and tbh.. rather take a base desktop aka debian/ubuntu and add the programs you need |
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| 03:03.10 | mali | it came with soooo many packages i never would need |
| 03:03.19 | DaGeek247 | i386 |
| 03:03.20 | nevyn | installs most of it anyway. |
| 03:03.21 | mali | and i ende dup having to configure the jackd server and alsa stuff anyway , which i |
| 03:03.35 | mali | could of done easier had i started form scratch.. but thats my experience only |
| 03:03.35 | nevyn | DaGeek247: then you want ardour-i686 almost certainly |
| 03:04.31 | DaGeek247 | !ardour |
| 03:04.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ardour is a digital audio workstation suitable for real-time multi-track recording, mixing, and editing. it is available at http://ardour.sf.net, and you'll probably want jack and ladspa too. or just apt-get install ardour-gtk ... |
| 03:05.08 | DaGeek247 | audio? |
| 03:05.13 | nevyn | audio. |
| 03:05.19 | DaGeek247 | oh. |
| 03:05.22 | nevyn | DaGeek247: is video your bent? |
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| 03:05.30 | DaGeek247 | yes |
| 03:05.31 | gnarface | in sid at least it appears to be ardour not ardour-gtk |
| 03:05.35 | nevyn | ardour has SMTPE sync |
| 03:05.41 | nevyn | gnarface: ardour-i686 |
| 03:05.59 | gnarface | ok sid amd64 - the package is simply called "ardour" |
| 03:06.09 | nevyn | it's one of the few packages where the win from building i686 is huge enough to justify a seperate build. on i386 |
| 03:06.23 | mali | from the manual : % KBUILD_VERBOSE=1 MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-4.4" make-kpkg configure |
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| 03:06.31 | mali | ta nevyn, just what I was looking for :) |
| 03:06.43 | mali | prepending MAKFLAGS lol |
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| 03:06.54 | mali | been scraching my head for ages about this :/ |
| 03:06.57 | DaGeek247 | so i guess i just get debian, and then add the programs i want? |
| 03:07.05 | nevyn | mali: you should also use make-kpkg to build a deb that you install |
| 03:07.08 | nevyn | DaGeek247: yep. |
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| 03:07.14 | onecrazycat | DaGeek247: That seems to be the concensus. |
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| 03:07.19 | nevyn | DaGeek247: if you're doing video I'd strongly suggest amd64 |
| 03:07.22 | mali | like if I decide ot compile say ff4 myself and lilyterm? |
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| 03:07.40 | nevyn | DaGeek247: how much ram in your video editing system? |
| 03:07.44 | DaGeek247 | ok. does debian have easy theme manipulation? |
| 03:07.50 | mali | do I do the make menuconfig with normal source packages too or only configure? |
| 03:07.54 | DaGeek247 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.03 | DaGeek247 | 512mb |
| 03:08.07 | nevyn | mali: you do everything normal up to make ... |
| 03:08.08 | mali | LMFAO |
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| 03:08.28 | mali | DaGeek247: I wouldn't reocmmend doing much video editing .. well actually as a learnign experience but only make a very short clip |
| 03:08.46 | mali | one frame or image is often perhaps 1 mb, so for each second of film you could be looking at 15-30 mb |
| 03:08.50 | mali | of source images |
| 03:09.02 | mali | compiling all this .. on 512 mb sheesh :p |
| 03:09.06 | DaGeek247 | i mostly model stuff like gingerbread men and play cube2. |
| 03:09.17 | nevyn | ah. |
| 03:09.43 | mali | nevyn: what changes @ make or after? |
| 03:10.04 | DaGeek247 | or a wine glass, i like my wine glass. |
| 03:10.08 | nevyn | so it's make menuconfig... make-kpkg |
| 03:10.21 | nevyn | mali: you stilll do the configure with the normal stuff. |
| 03:11.10 | mali | ye.. but wait, so I don't confuse myself.. since I 'configure' with make menuconfig |
| 03:11.17 | mali | i dont do make-kpkg configure with the kernel right |
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| 03:11.40 | nevyn | no. |
| 03:11.42 | mali | I continue with flags make-kpg |
| 03:11.51 | mali | and then off it goes, right? |
| 03:11.57 | nevyn | you do make menuconfig do all that stuff... |
| 03:12.01 | mali | obviously with some other parameters set |
| 03:12.03 | mali | like initrd |
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| 03:12.07 | nevyn | then run make-kpkg with some parameters. |
| 03:12.11 | mali | ya |
| 03:12.22 | DaGeek247 | does debian have good theme integration? |
| 03:12.40 | gnarface | fuck no, why would you want that? |
| 03:12.46 | DaGeek247 | ! |
| 03:12.49 | nevyn | DaGeek247: I can't answer that I tend to just pick something availible |
| 03:12.54 | mali | so with a normal package its: make-kpkg configure, make-kpkg... kernel is makeconfig + make-kpg? |
| 03:13.02 | DaGeek247 | i love beutiful themes |
| 03:13.07 | nevyn | my current laptop is running the default spacefun theme. |
| 03:13.13 | mali | and ye.. I want to compile FF myself as I feel I can gain form it... even with native set |
| 03:13.24 | nevyn | mali: no... |
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| 03:13.34 | mali | and perhaps inbetween kernel and that.. compile gcc itself |
| 03:13.37 | gnarface | DaGeek247: like the rest of debian, you pick what you want and find the package name and install it (or in worst case scenario make your own package from source) |
| 03:13.37 | nevyn | normal package is entierely different |
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| 03:14.01 | nevyn | mali: make-kpkg is ONLY for kernels |
| 03:14.30 | mali | ah right.. then I misunderstood you when you said, use make-kpkg for normal packaging too |
| 03:14.42 | mali | sorry about that.. |
| 03:14.46 | DaGeek247 | so themes are not an integral part of debian? |
| 03:14.52 | mali | kind of makes sense with k*pkg :p |
| 03:14.56 | mali | sorry I am tired :( |
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| 03:15.10 | mali | woke up at the entirely wrong time |
| 03:15.27 | gnarface | DaGeek247: well it doesnt' have any different features in that respect, but you probably won't by default find a huge catalog of themes installed by default that you can globally change from one pulldown menu. you can still make it just as pretty though |
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| 03:15.57 | DaGeek247 | this is so confusing. |
| 03:16.03 | nevyn | mali: for a normal package you do apt-get build-deps <package> && apt-get source <package> and then modify the source and use dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us |
| 03:16.25 | nevyn | well I do because I'm lazy and don't setup gpg properly ;) |
| 03:16.34 | gnarface | DaGeek247: its just more manual of a setup than ubuntu... but with that manual setup you get more flexibility and you learn more about the system (believe it or not you'll learn more about other linux distros too) |
| 03:16.38 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Okay, I have just taken a stable debian install and attempted to upgrade to testing, everything is fine until i reboot, i am currently running in recovery mode. GDM wont start. Any ideas? This is attempt 3 and i am still getting the same problome. |
| 03:16.46 | mali | ok nevyn |
| 03:17.05 | mali | I will look it all up tomorrow.. I installed and been on this last night and I woke up just nowish at 5 am |
| 03:17.07 | deconvolution | JaMeSiTeGeN, can you login console ? |
| 03:17.10 | mali | so early day hehe |
| 03:17.23 | mali | thanks! |
| 03:17.36 | JaMeSiTeGeN | im logged in the only console i have, should i brb and install screen? |
| 03:17.37 | DaGeek247 | ok. i will prolly be back asking how to set up debian after i download it. |
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| 03:18.00 | JaMeSiTeGeN | deconvolution: I am using tty1 in recoverymode so i only have one tty terminal. |
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| 03:18.04 | gnarface | DaGeek247: worry about functionality first. themes are easy to add later |
| 03:18.11 | JaMeSiTeGeN | and im using it now to have irssi. |
| 03:18.17 | deconvolution | JaMeSiTeGeN, no need, if gdm failed start, can you switch to console by Ctrl-Alt-F1? |
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| 03:18.48 | gnarface | ugh |
| 03:18.49 | deconvolution | JaMeSiTeGeN, without using failsafe mode |
| 03:18.59 | gnarface | time for me to eat some food or something |
| 03:19.02 | gnarface | later people |
| 03:19.03 | JaMeSiTeGeN | deconvolution: Okay then it may be xserver/xorg/xinit as they updated as once i get the black screen and a mouse the whole thing freezes |
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| 03:19.06 | mali | oh.. one last thing... append-to-version in the manual says only accept slowercase which I rememebred.. however I also used numbers, is that alriught? in the man it only adds +- etc |
| 03:19.16 | JaMeSiTeGeN | then i have to use the sysReq keys to reboot. |
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| 03:19.36 | deconvolution | JaMeSiTeGeN, I think this problem is related to the new xorg features |
| 03:19.49 | JaMeSiTeGeN | <ctrl>+<alt>+<delete> and <backspace> both do nothing, <ctrl>+<alt>+f*> do not work either |
| 03:20.00 | deconvolution | try to copy your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to somewhere else and start the gdm |
| 03:20.00 | Cryp71c | I'm using Alsa on a fresh Debian install (6.xx) but the default audio output device seems to be the 3.5mm jack. I want it to be my USB headset. To accomplish this in Ubuntu, I used System->Preferences->Sound and changed the "devices to use" list. Going to the same location in Debian results in a different screen entirely (its still sound control, but its different than Ubuntu's). Where can I go to change this? |
| 03:20.09 | JaMeSiTeGeN | deconvolution: say again? |
| 03:20.19 | deconvolution | JaMeSiTeGeN, I met this problem a month ago |
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| 03:20.29 | JaMeSiTeGeN | in testing? |
| 03:20.35 | JaMeSiTeGeN | i guess unstable? |
| 03:20.55 | deconvolution | JaMeSiTeGeN, yes unstable |
| 03:21.00 | gauge | Hey I'm trying to compile a package called fuppes, a upnp video server. However for some reason its not building w/ support for ffmpeg, even though I have it. I'll supply a console dump in a minute. |
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| 03:21.07 | nevyn | Cryp71c: I think you have to write a asoundrc :( |
| 03:21.12 | JaMeSiTeGeN | deconvolution: So what was your solution? |
| 03:21.14 | deconvolution | JaMeSiTeGeN, but you can check the xorg log |
| 03:21.21 | JaMeSiTeGeN | i now have it with testing. |
| 03:21.24 | Cryp71c | nevyn, ~/.asoundrc ? |
| 03:21.35 | nevyn | Cryp71c: or you could install and configure pulseaudio |
| 03:21.36 | JaMeSiTeGeN | ahh, only one terminal no screen installed. brb |
| 03:21.39 | nevyn | Cryp71c: yeah. |
| 03:21.45 | swilson06 | how can i install debian on a thumb drive from a mac? |
| 03:21.48 | deconvolution | JaMeSiTeGeN, cant remember exactly, I think it was upgrading udev |
| 03:21.54 | Cryp71c | nevyn, does pulseaudio replace ALSA, or how are they related? |
| 03:22.09 | deconvolution | and remove xorg.conf, to let Xserver auto-find the correct keyboard-mouse |
| 03:22.35 | deconvolution | Jarvis, also you can try if you use usb mouse, plug out and plugin again to see if it works |
| 03:22.38 | nevyn | Cryp71c: pulseaudio is a sound mixing daemon that allows you to hear mail alerts while playing flash audio as well as dealing with the multiple soundcard issue. |
| 03:23.00 | mali | (if someone wondered, ity qwas alphanu,meric so obviously numbers are fine) |
| 03:23.02 | nevyn | Cryp71c: dmix is an in-kernel mixing daemon which copes with the first problem but not the second problem. |
| 03:23.04 | mali | (toodles |
| 03:23.17 | mali\aweeeh | autoawehs: feeding rocks |
| 03:23.23 | Cryp71c | nevyn, and dmix is what debian uses by default? |
| 03:23.54 | Cryp71c | nevyn, (eg, Alsa and pulseaudio are not competing programs, but different programs of the whole audio "suite"?) |
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| 03:24.36 | nevyn | so alsa is three things... a set of drivers in the kernel. a userspace library. and an audio api |
| 03:24.37 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Back, and screen wont open on console. |
| 03:24.52 | JaMeSiTeGeN | wait, i have another computer here, brb |
| 03:24.56 | deconvolution | JaMeSiTeGeN, check the log of xorg? |
| 03:25.21 | nevyn | pulse uses the kernel drivers and userspace library and presents a sound device to applications that supports the alsa audio api. |
| 03:26.13 | gauge | what fuppes gives me on "configure --prefix=/usr" is up @ pastebin.com/4mDqx0Tr |
| 03:27.05 | nevyn | pulse allows you to do funky things like start playing a youtube video on your headset unplug the headset and have playback continue on the internal soundcard |
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| 03:27.08 | nevyn | it's quite powerful. |
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| 03:27.36 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Installing irssi on openSUSE-gnome-shell-liveCD-installed on an eeepc notebook. |
| 03:27.43 | nevyn | that's the promise of pulse audio rather than the reality right this second... btw. |
| 03:27.53 | JaMeSiTeGeN | once installed with the updates i will swap to it for chat. |
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| 03:28.02 | nevyn | Cryp71c: so they do different things. |
| 03:28.13 | JaMeSiTeGeN | so deconvolution What was your solution to fix the xserver problome? |
| 03:28.39 | mali\aweeeh | nevyn: can I ask, since I only once ever did a kernel compile and was on arch.. does this look sane? -> KBUILD_VERBOSE=1 MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-4.4 -march=native -pipe" INSTALL_MOD_STRIP=1 CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=3 fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers modules_image |
| 03:28.47 | Cryp71c | nevyn, will I need to reboot to affect the pulse install? |
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| 03:28.56 | nevyn | Cryp71c: no. |
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| 03:29.06 | Cryp71c | hrm. |
| 03:29.09 | mali\aweeeh | ( I have set -Os indtead of O2 in kernel options) |
| 03:29.15 | nevyn | Cryp71c: there's a howto http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 |
| 03:29.31 | deconvolution | JaMeSiTeGeN, use ssh to login and stop the xserver |
| 03:29.48 | nevyn | Cryp71c: you'll probably want to unplug and re-plugin your headset but maybe not. |
| 03:29.48 | JaMeSiTeGeN | strange but should work :P |
| 03:29.48 | deconvolution | then check xorg's log to see what the exact problem |
| 03:30.12 | JaMeSiTeGeN | deconvolution: I simple booted into recovery mode and manually ran /etc/init.d/networking |
| 03:30.18 | nevyn | Cryp71c: actually while you don't need to it's probably going to be easiest if you logoff and on again at least. |
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| 03:30.32 | Cryp71c | k, thanks. |
| 03:30.39 | mali\aweeeh | gah failed couldn't find debian/rules.. lol I forgot to install some crucial package it seems bbiab |
| 03:30.43 | JaMeSiTeGeN | then i could deal with my system, so im running without x, so what do i do now that i have command line? |
| 03:30.45 | Cryp71c | nevyn, will that at least create the asound for me, or will I still need to crank that out manually? |
| 03:30.57 | JaMeSiTeGeN | logs |
| 03:30.58 | JaMeSiTeGeN | okay |
| 03:31.01 | deconvolution | JaMeSiTeGeN, or you can just temp remove gdm or gdm3 links from /etc/rc2.d |
| 03:31.04 | JaMeSiTeGeN | whats the exact file name? |
| 03:31.19 | JaMeSiTeGeN | for the logs. |
| 03:31.34 | deconvolution | JaMeSiTeGeN, then init 2 |
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| 03:31.39 | JaMeSiTeGeN | i will pm the results to you |
| 03:31.43 | JaMeSiTeGeN | okay brb |
| 03:31.44 | nevyn | Cryp71c: so it all depends what you want to do. in particular will you need the functionality of switching between your headset and the internal soundcard |
| 03:31.59 | Cryp71c | nevyn, nope |
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| 03:32.06 | Cryp71c | nevyn, all my output goes to my headphones. |
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| 03:32.19 | nevyn | your headphones are I assume USB? |
| 03:32.23 | deconvolution | JaMeSiTeGeN, the log is in /var/log/Xorg.0.log i think |
| 03:32.39 | Cryp71c | yes |
| 03:32.59 | nevyn | Cryp71c: so the fast way to make this work is disable the onboard soundcard in your system bios and reboot. |
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| 03:33.54 | nevyn | do you care about multiopen ie playing music and getting desktop "event" type sounds or playing multiple youtube videos and having the audio mixed etc? |
| 03:34.07 | Arrowmaster | if you keep using alsa i think you need to edit a file in /etc/modprobe.d to change the order of sound devices in alsa |
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| 03:34.54 | nevyn | Arrowmaster: that's another option. |
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| 03:35.15 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Okay, init2 finished. |
| 03:35.20 | JaMeSiTeGeN | deconvolution: ^^ |
| 03:35.38 | nevyn | but given that usb cards are probed by udev messing with modprobe these days is unlikely to achieve the desired result. |
| 03:35.49 | deconvolution | JaMeSiTeGeN, now you can investigate xorg logs :P |
| 03:36.10 | JaMeSiTeGeN | which logs, there are many logs. /var/logs/...? |
| 03:36.17 | deconvolution | Xorg.0.log |
| 03:37.49 | JaMeSiTeGeN | humm, deconvolution I think you should have a look, so how exactly do i post a file to paste.debian.org? |
| 03:37.51 | Arrowmaster | nevyn: i was referring to 'options snd-usb-audio index=-2' but since it should just be hw:1 normally then a simple ~/.asoundrc is probably easier |
| 03:37.52 | JaMeSiTeGeN | !paste |
| 03:37.52 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 03:38.06 | JaMeSiTeGeN | paste2pastebin.pl? |
| 03:38.21 | deconvolution | just pastbin.com ? |
| 03:38.25 | deconvolution | pastebin.com ? |
| 03:38.57 | Ogmios | !paste2pastebin.pl |
| 03:38.58 | dpkg | is used to send a paste to http://pastebin.ca/ from the command line. It can create the paste with options as well, allowing for expiry and other values to be set. Download from http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install the libwww-mechanize-perl package. |
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| 03:39.39 | deconvolution | JaMeSiTeGeN, or use links2 browser |
| 03:40.10 | JaMeSiTeGeN | It failed to upload. |
| 03:40.12 | JaMeSiTeGeN | okay |
| 03:40.41 | nevyn | Arrowmaster: is that honored if it's loaded after snd_hda_intel or whatever the onboard card is? |
| 03:40.48 | JaMeSiTeGeN | How do you open links with fbev? |
| 03:40.52 | JaMeSiTeGeN | fbdev* |
| 03:40.56 | nevyn | so will the usb then become hw:0 ? |
| 03:40.58 | JaMeSiTeGeN | deconvolution: ^ |
| 03:41.32 | Arrowmaster | nevyn: the option makes it so that if the usb loads first and becomes hw:0, when the onboard loads it will take over and become hw:0 i think |
| 03:41.33 | deconvolution | g ? |
| 03:41.58 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Graphics not enabled when compiling. now what? |
| 03:42.14 | deconvolution | just use it in text mode ? |
| 03:42.23 | nevyn | hrmm gtg. |
| 03:42.40 | JaMeSiTeGeN | humm, i already had lynx :P |
| 03:42.47 | deconvolution | lol, k |
| 03:43.20 | deconvolution | use emacs stuff copy in different buffers ? |
| 03:44.02 | JaMeSiTeGeN | deconvolution: There is no upload. |
| 03:44.14 | JaMeSiTeGeN | what paste allows uploading the files? |
| 03:44.36 | nevyn | hrm nope I don't |
| 03:44.47 | Arrowmaster | !pastebinit |
| 03:44.47 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". |
| 03:45.14 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Arrowmaster: Thanks man |
| 03:45.23 | nevyn | Arrowmaster: I think pulse is certainly the right answer once you start dealing with dynamically adding/removing usb devices etc |
| 03:46.27 | JaMeSiTeGeN | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:46.30 | JaMeSiTeGeN | http://pastebin.com/TZu65SGs |
| 03:46.36 | JaMeSiTeGeN | yay. |
| 03:46.44 | JaMeSiTeGeN | deconvolution: ^^^ |
| 03:48.00 | deconvolution | JaMeSiTeGeN, (EE) Logitech USB Receiver: failed to initialize for relative axes. |
| 03:48.18 | JaMeSiTeGeN | deconvolution: What does this mean? |
| 03:48.28 | JaMeSiTeGeN | my mouse not cap? |
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| 03:48.49 | JaMeSiTeGeN | That is my mouse. |
| 03:50.06 | deconvolution | according to this log said your xserver should startup normally, are you sure it is Xorg.0.log ? |
| 03:50.23 | JaMeSiTeGeN | it is that file, yes |
| 03:50.33 | JaMeSiTeGeN | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 03:50.57 | deconvolution | JaMeSiTeGeN, so xorg should startup, check gdm stuff ? |
| 03:51.51 | JaMeSiTeGeN | i'm installing fbcat, therefor you can see me sending the file to paste and sending the output to a file in which i used cat to send to you. |
| 03:52.42 | mali\aweeeh | hmm, when issuing make-kpkg clean to then reopen the config file and edit it and run the command again, does it "matter"? |
| 03:52.53 | JaMeSiTeGeN | testing it with fbi |
| 03:53.43 | JaMeSiTeGeN | cat paste.txt |
| 03:53.47 | JaMeSiTeGeN | http://pastebin.com/Ayg909w4 |
| 03:54.10 | JaMeSiTeGeN | so you get a photo/screenshot if you click on the link? |
| 03:54.27 | JaMeSiTeGeN | deconvolution: What log file do you want now? |
| 03:54.33 | JaMeSiTeGeN | /var/log/??? |
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| 03:55.04 | deconvolution | no |
| 03:55.12 | JaMeSiTeGeN | humm, oh well. |
| 03:55.17 | JaMeSiTeGeN | so what log file do you want now? |
| 03:55.35 | deconvolution | hmm, try install xdm ? |
| 03:55.59 | JaMeSiTeGeN | and purge gdm? |
| 03:56.05 | JaMeSiTeGeN | gdm3* |
| 03:56.18 | deconvolution | debconf will ask which one is the default |
| 03:56.35 | deconvolution | just install and /etc/init.d/xdm start |
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| 03:57.06 | JaMeSiTeGeN | and if it freezes i will be back as soon as it unfreezes : |
| 03:57.13 | deconvolution | kk |
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| 03:59.20 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Bask and on my other computer, i can see it was to what i think to be a kernel freak. |
| 03:59.26 | JaMeSiTeGeN | back * |
| 03:59.30 | JaMeSiTeGeN | deconvolution: ^ |
| 03:59.53 | deconvolution | was it frozen ? |
| 04:00.00 | JaMeSiTeGeN | i cant exactly paste you a copy of my screen as the whole computer is frozen so yea |
| 04:00.18 | deconvolution | can you ssh to that machine / |
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| 04:00.47 | JaMeSiTeGeN | it froz, but i quickly changed to the console(=tty1) and i see the irssi session with you saying kk and then 2 lines. |
| 04:00.52 | JaMeSiTeGeN | of error message |
| 04:00.53 | JaMeSiTeGeN | s |
| 04:01.31 | deconvolution | ok |
| 04:02.01 | JaMeSiTeGeN | [ 3407.7487] [drm:init_ring_common] *ERROR* ... |
| 04:02.25 | deconvolution | i wonder if Xorg.0.log was recorded for the last xserver crash |
| 04:02.51 | JaMeSiTeGeN | render initialization failed ctl 00000000 head 00000000 tail 00000000 start 00000000 |
| 04:03.22 | JaMeSiTeGeN | <alt>+<sysreq>+<b> ?? kernel reboot. |
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| 04:03.49 | JaMeSiTeGeN | strange, that is my computer that is frozen, it just re-joined :P |
| 04:04.00 | JaMeSiTeGeN | still frozen to what i can do. |
| 04:04.26 | JaMeSiTeGeN | deconvolution: ^^^ |
| 04:04.38 | JaMeSiTeGeN | openssh is not installed yet. :P |
| 04:04.47 | deconvolution | so I guess deal with kernels, reinstall a standard image ?:P |
| 04:05.14 | JaMeSiTeGeN | or i can try to use the other kernel that already exists, and i can select from grub |
| 04:05.30 | deconvolution | good luck |
| 04:05.43 | JaMeSiTeGeN | so should i reboot that computer? or see if it decides to take my message i tried to send from irssi? |
| 04:06.04 | deconvolution | reboot i think |
| 04:06.36 | JaMeSiTeGeN | i just "sent" a few messages from irssi on my frozen computer, they may send, so i'll just wait a little big to see. |
| 04:07.48 | JaMeSiTeGeN | i was about to reboot it before but it joined this channel again, so i thought it was comming back alive. but who knows |
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| 04:08.19 | JaMeSiTeGeN | oh lol, another error just apeared. |
| 04:08.50 | JaMeSiTeGeN | *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... CPU hung |
| 04:09.20 | JaMeSiTe1eN | Testhing |
| 04:09.27 | JaMeSiTe1eN | lol, it came back alive. :p |
| 04:09.36 | deconvolution | lol .... it seems you have a unstable hardware driver |
| 04:10.19 | JaMeSiTe1eN | no, i just chaned to tty2 and back, it is now allowing me in irssi, but again if i try to goto tty7 it just gives me a static screen :p |
| 04:10.22 | JaMeSiTe1eN | does not work |
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| 04:11.09 | JaMeSiTe1eN | lol deconvolution Do you want some log files before i reboot? i have access the the live logs now. |
| 04:11.20 | JaMeSiTe1eN | i can use tail and pipe them to you through a pm, |
| 04:11.21 | JaMeSiTe1eN | ?? |
| 04:11.25 | JaMeSiTe1eN | what do you think? |
| 04:11.37 | deconvolution | JaMeSiTe1eN, sorry I have to log since lunch bell is ringing ... |
| 04:11.52 | JaMeSiTe1eN | school? |
| 04:11.55 | JaMeSiTe1eN | its holiday. |
| 04:12.01 | deconvolution | lol, no holiday here :P |
| 04:12.10 | JaMeSiTe1eN | work or school? |
| 04:12.17 | JaMeSiTe1eN | coding or hacking school? |
| 04:12.19 | deconvolution | JaMeSiTe1eN, have to go, talk you later |
| 04:12.20 | deconvolution | sorry |
| 04:12.27 | JaMeSiTe1eN | okay, cya talk then |
| 04:12.30 | deconvolution | cya |
| 04:12.32 | JaMeSiTe1eN | leave the computer up :p |
| 04:12.41 | JaMeSiTe1eN | or just leave ^^ |
| 04:13.42 | JaMeSiTe1eN | Hello fb based linux distro i can call debian :P |
| 04:15.08 | swilson06 | anyone here know how to install linux to a thumb drive on a mac? |
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| 04:15.16 | JaMeSiTeGeN | lol `apt-get purge *` should i run it? |
| 04:16.02 | JaMeSiTeGeN | only 932 packages to purge :P |
| 04:16.15 | swilson06 | unetboot just puts the iso on there, so is there something like that that will write a base system on the full thumb drive? |
| 04:17.15 | JaMeSiTeGeN | swilson06: if there was id be using it, i dont think so |
| 04:18.17 | JaMeSiTeGeN | make that 930 |
| 04:18.49 | swilson06 | hummm, i'm trying to figure out how to do it with chroot..... that sucks |
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| 04:19.15 | swilson06 | i guess next i'll try to boot the cd with vbox and see if i can go that way |
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| 04:19.49 | JaMeSiTeGeN | purged xinit xorg* xserv* gnome* whats next people? |
| 04:20.17 | JaMeSiTeGeN | im removing all packages on my computer, by the wildcard, i am also removing them in parts '; |
| 04:20.27 | nevyn | swilson06: debootstrap? but I dunno that it runs on OSX |
| 04:23.04 | swilson06 | thanks, i'll try googling that and see what i can get |
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| 04:25.03 | dudz_ | swilson06, dont use google it will give you brain damage |
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| 04:25.14 | swilson06 | heh, this came up in my google. not what i'm looking for, but i might have to one or two or so - http://www.plugcomputer.org/ |
| 04:25.25 | swilson06 | too late :) |
| 04:25.29 | dudz_ | :P |
| 04:25.45 | swilson06 | goes to google rehab |
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| 04:33.34 | swilson06 | ok, screw it. how do i install linux on a thumb drive from another linux server (that isn't going to be rebooted) ? |
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| 04:35.06 | Mr_Queue | swilson06: debootstrap comes to mind. |
| 04:35.12 | zpb0103 | Need a bit of help please. I'm on an ARM debian install and the keyboard is a regular en_us qwerty layout |
| 04:35.30 | zpb0103 | but when I use it, its german, http://www.forlanglab.lsu.edu/exams/KeyboardLayout/images/Keyboards/German.png |
| 04:35.58 | zpb0103 | I've tried to dpkg-reconfigure console-data thinking that'd work, but no luck yet. Any ideas on where to look next? |
| 04:36.14 | zpb0103 | locale shows all en_us |
| 04:36.14 | Mr_Queue | Ziber: Run dpkg-reconfigure locales as root |
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| 04:37.17 | brianherman | is there a channel for the www-debian team |
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| 04:37.32 | macrobat | maybe setxkbmap in X? |
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| 04:38.28 | streuner | brianherman: #debian-www (OFTC) |
| 04:38.56 | streuner | brianherman: #debian-www 35 Debian Website channel http://debian.org/devel/website/ | todo list: http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Webmaster/TODO | build at (3,7,11,15,19,23):24 UTC | lessoften at 14:49 UTC |
| 04:38.56 | streuner | * End of /LIST |
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| 04:39.35 | swilson06 | Mr_Queue: heh, i guess i should have learned how to use this years ago. maybe if i learn this i might figure out how to do it native in osx.... thanks |
| 04:40.11 | Mr_Queue | swilson06: NP.. |
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| 04:41.40 | brianherman | thats strenuner |
| 04:41.50 | brianherman | thanks |
| 04:42.04 | streuner | np |
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| 04:44.27 | zpb0103 | I've tried the dpkg-reconfigure locales without any luck, but I just dropped out of enlightenment and the keyboard mapping works fine |
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| 04:44.59 | zpb0103 | must be something with x or this wm that I'm not seeing |
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| 04:48.43 | MrFrood | zpb0103: not sure if it is still there but there used to be a bug which meant that dpkg reconfigure on kb settings required a logout/in to work |
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| 04:51.16 | Mr_Queue | zpb0103: Humm.. |
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| 04:52.34 | mah454 | How i can find what daemon running in runlevel 2 ? |
| 04:52.58 | swilson06 | does debootstrap setup grub? |
| 04:53.01 | nevyn | mah454: ls /etc/rc.2.d/S* |
| 04:53.10 | swilson06 | it seems to be like doing a standard install, right? |
| 04:53.20 | warp0x00 | no it doesnt |
| 04:53.31 | warp0x00 | follow the section in the install guide |
| 04:53.52 | Mr_Queue | swilson06: It doesn't. You can use any grub package to get it done. |
| 04:53.52 | swilson06 | ok, so after i run debootstrap, chroot and do a grub-install? toggle boot flag, and i should be set? |
| 04:54.02 | warp0x00 | you will have to install grub-pc |
| 04:54.09 | warp0x00 | or whatever grub is relevant for your system |
| 04:54.20 | swilson06 | ok |
| 04:54.32 | warp0x00 | please see the install guide |
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| 04:54.38 | Mr_Queue | swilson06: That sounds about right.. It's been a few months since I've been through one. |
| 04:54.45 | warp0x00 | it tells you everything you need to do after debootstrap |
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| 04:57.12 | home-alone | hi ! how to apt-get a package whos name has 2 or 3 words |
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| 04:58.06 | nevyn | home-alone: what's the package? |
| 04:58.24 | nevyn | home-alone: cause I didn't think spaces were permitted in package names |
| 04:59.57 | home-alone | i face installing any package whos name is not a single word . you can explain me with any example |
| 05:00.26 | home-alone | problem |
| 05:00.27 | Arrowmaster | no package names have spaces in them |
| 05:00.43 | nevyn | apt-get install "silly package" but I don't think it's permitted to have such a nameof a package. |
| 05:00.53 | home-alone | for example if i want to install frozen bubble....??? |
| 05:01.24 | nevyn | home-alone: the package name is frozen-bubble |
| 05:01.55 | swilson06 | good call guys, thanks. the guide and debootstrap seem pretty self explanatory so far. |
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| 05:02.19 | warp0x00 | debootstrap is my favorite way to install |
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| 05:03.01 | nevyn | is all about netinst |
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| 05:03.13 | swilson06 | the funny part is i'm pretty sure i can get it working from osx... don't know why there is no google write up on it |
| 05:03.29 | home-alone | will this apt-get install alpha-bravo method work to install other apps other 2 words apps...??? |
| 05:03.49 | warp0x00 | yes |
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| 05:03.57 | Arrowmaster | no package has a space in the name |
| 05:04.02 | Arrowmaster | find out the proper package name |
| 05:04.13 | warp0x00 | aptitude search alpha |
| 05:04.20 | warp0x00 | will list likely choices |
| 05:04.29 | swilson06 | apt-cache search alpha :) |
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| 05:04.40 | warp0x00 | yeah you would say that |
| 05:04.57 | home-alone | ok i got the point . thank you . |
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| 05:05.11 | docgnome | hrm... openssl says "unable to get local issuer certificate" for imap.gmail.com |
| 05:05.21 | docgnome | and it just started doing that. |
| 05:05.21 | home-alone | what is diffrence between autoremove and purge...??? |
| 05:05.36 | warp0x00 | purge deletes configuration files |
| 05:06.02 | swilson06 | and autoremove just removes stuff that has been outdated iirc |
| 05:07.04 | swilson06 | ie, 'apt-get autoremove' takes it's cues from dependencies, 'apt-get purge' requires parameters |
| 05:07.38 | swilson06 | though, it would be better to compare 'remove' vs 'purge' |
| 05:08.06 | swilson06 | needs to setup a local repo.... this waiting stuff is for the birds |
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| 05:08.16 | home-alone | if i want to completely remove a package is it safe to use autoremove or purge...??? |
| 05:08.19 | warp0x00 | apt-cacher-ng |
| 05:09.03 | swilson06 | remote |
| 05:09.08 | swilson06 | what? |
| 05:09.20 | swilson06 | oh, for me. right |
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| 05:09.28 | warp0x00 | right |
| 05:10.00 | warp0x00 | home-alone, it is safe to use purge only if you want to delete config files |
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| 05:11.30 | swilson06 | yeah, do a 'tar -cR /etc > backup before you do purget :) though, a few things seem to like /usr/local/etc or some such |
| 05:11.41 | mah454 | How i can add # on first of all lines (text file) ? |
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| 05:12.56 | swilson06 | echo "#" $(cat file) > file2 <-- that might work :) |
| 05:13.11 | warp0x00 | wrong |
| 05:13.16 | swilson06 | google for awk one liners if you want to do it right |
| 05:13.40 | warp0x00 | sed s/^/#/ |
| 05:13.47 | warp0x00 | sed 's/^/#/' |
| 05:13.51 | warp0x00 | some such |
| 05:14.03 | swilson06 | ... or sed one liners :) |
| 05:14.05 | simonlnu | or install etckeeper and do regular backups |
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| 05:14.32 | swilson06 | that requires an svn though, right? |
| 05:14.46 | warp0x00 | i just keep regular backups of the whole system |
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| 05:15.32 | swilson06 | whole systems? you have way too much disk space on your hands (and don't deal with transactional things) |
| 05:15.44 | warp0x00 | hmm |
| 05:16.10 | warp0x00 | dirvish doesnt use much more space than the system itself when configured properly |
| 05:16.10 | swilson06 | hey, debootstrap is done.... finally |
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| 05:18.52 | mali\aweeeh | hmm If i use git to download kernel source, I won't get debian/rules directory inside the course tright? |
| 05:19.06 | mali\aweeeh | hmm I was just looking at debotostrap lol |
| 05:19.10 | mali\aweeeh | debootstrap |
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| 05:20.06 | WO| | can anyone help me cronjob a script running within a particular folder with command line? |
| 05:21.30 | warp0x00 | mali\aweeeh, make-kpkg will make you a debian/rules |
| 05:22.11 | warp0x00 | download, unpack, make menuconfig, make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 05:22.13 | swilson06 | sense i'm making a live usb stick, what do i put in fstab for /? |
| 05:22.20 | swilson06 | will it always show up as sda? |
| 05:22.37 | warp0x00 | swilson06, label it something and use label=something |
| 05:23.14 | swilson06 | label? you mean lvm? |
| 05:23.20 | warp0x00 | no i mean label |
| 05:23.24 | warp0x00 | man tune2fs |
| 05:23.25 | simonlnu | !label |
| 05:23.25 | dpkg | Labels can be set on some filesystems, enabling referencing via LABEL=foo in <fstab>. To set: Ext{2,3,4}: e2label /dev/{s,h}dXX foo (16 char limit); XFS: xfs_admin -L foo /dev/{s,h}dXX (12 char limit); FAT{16,32}: dosfslabel /dev/{s,h}dXX foo (11 char limit); NTFS: ntfslabel /dev/{s,h}dXX foo (128 char limit); ReiserFS: reiserfstune -l foo /dev/{s,h}dXX (16 char limit). To mount: mount -L foo dir. See also <uuid>. |
| 05:23.36 | warp0x00 | ooh thats fancy simonlnu |
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| 05:24.01 | simonlnu | fancy bot ;p |
| 05:24.48 | JasonWoof | I'm very happy to see that the version of emerillon/champlain in debian unstable finally seems to get the tiles lined up in a grid all the time! But now it's not caching tiles. Anybody know how to get it to cache tiles again? |
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| 05:26.36 | warp0x00 | i have no idea what that is JasonWoof |
| 05:31.08 | JasonWoof | emerillon is a map viewer |
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| 05:31.26 | JasonWoof | would be awesome for browsing openstreetmap if it cached tiles |
| 05:31.45 | home-alone | hi ! why debian has so dated version of Oepn Office in its repos...??? |
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| 05:33.09 | peterrooney | home-alone: perhaps debian values stability over sns syndrome ? |
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| 05:33.54 | malina | hmm, if I wish to update my system say on core packages, would it be better to say enable testing and lock some packages, or do squeeze and manually compile some core packages? (kernel say , gcc etc)? |
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| 05:34.11 | home-alone | OO 3.3 is ver stable IMHO |
| 05:34.22 | docgnome | home-alone: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 05:35.01 | nevyn | malina: if you want to build a custom kernel that's reasonably straightforward. |
| 05:35.10 | nevyn | !tell malina about kernel-package |
| 05:35.23 | malina | yup nevyn, fakeroot didn't find my debian/rules in the git kernel |
| 05:35.45 | home-alone | i am runing debian squeeze |
| 05:36.01 | malina | and I got a bit flustered so wondering if I should do somethign like testing/sed and lock down a bit or go bottom up from squeeze and just compile a few essential ones I wish to have a certian version of |
| 05:36.10 | malina | sed=sid* |
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| 05:37.30 | malina | I've been for past month doing squeeze/sid/wheezy/arch/ubu 10.10/lubuntu/caluclate linux, cent)s dont know I just this month suddenly lost all my hmm feel and dont know suddenly what I am looking for :/ |
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| 05:37.47 | malina | it feels terirble in a way tbh as I can't move forward haha |
| 05:37.50 | nevyn | malina: make-kpkg should create that stuff. |
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| 05:38.18 | malina | ye and it seemed it didn't |
| 05:38.43 | nevyn | malina: did you follow the instructions? |
| 05:39.12 | malina | it just said it didn[t find ut but ok , ye u know what, im gonna have a coffee, sit down, just think and do another wipe disk anfd start over with everything |
| 05:40.20 | warp0x00 | make-kpkg forever |
| 05:40.48 | malina | ye but it doesn't seem to like me |
| 05:40.50 | malina | :p |
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| 05:42.03 | warp0x00 | malina, just run make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 05:42.14 | warp0x00 | maybe with a --initrd in there |
| 05:42.35 | warp0x00 | then wait |
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| 05:42.40 | warp0x00 | then you get a .deb file you can install |
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| 07:22.23 | Burps | Hi : I hav about 10 paquets to apt-get install, but they bring around 200 dependances : how can I know which pakage bring which dependency ? (easily..) |
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| 07:22.42 | fbs | Burps: aptitude show? |
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| 07:27.03 | fbs | Burps: aptitude show gcc make | grep -w 'Package\|Depends\|Suggests' |
| 07:27.52 | daemon_mum | hey guys i got a real prob. i download a .deb file and it turned otu to be for different release so i decided hell i dont want it |
| 07:28.10 | daemon_mum | but when i want ot use apt-get i keep getting following packaged have unmet dependencies |
| 07:28.17 | daemon_mum | and do apt-get -f install |
| 07:28.33 | daemon_mum | how can i clean this out? i really dont want to install this |
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| 07:36.51 | Bushmills | daemon_mum: for installing a downloaded .deb, you'd use dpkg. dpkg has a --no-act option |
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| 07:37.27 | daemon_mum | mhmm |
| 07:37.34 | daemon_mum | anyways fix is |
| 07:37.44 | daemon_mum | apt-get remove package name |
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| 07:38.16 | LinuxGuy2009 | What exactly is package pinning? |
| 07:39.15 | Bushmills | LinuxGuy2009: http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 07:39.23 | LinuxGuy2009 | Thanks |
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| 07:45.22 | pedrolrneves | bom dia |
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| 07:49.49 | Bushmills | daemon_mum: oh, "clean this out". i somehow thought you wanted to find out, in advance |
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| 07:50.41 | daemon_mum | no no it was stuck |
| 07:50.48 | daemon_mum | i couldnt figure out how the hell to get rid of it |
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| 07:56.51 | ayambit | Can I tell screen to detach and not be killed when terminal is closed? |
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| 07:58.04 | PsyTrance | ctrl + a + d |
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| 08:00.52 | jelly-home | ayambit: it does that by default, does it not? |
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| 08:02.44 | ayambit | PsyTrance: I mean automatically. |
| 08:02.56 | ayambit | Now then I kill my gnome-terminal screen is killed. |
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| 08:03.20 | ayambit | *when |
| 08:03.31 | ayambit | jelly-home: no, it doesn't. |
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| 08:03.48 | PsyTrance | dont know that, i always mannualy detach screen |
| 08:05.02 | ayambit | PsyTrance: Me also. But what if ssh-session end sue to network failure? |
| 08:05.04 | ayambit | *due |
| 08:05.43 | ayambit | Um. |
| 08:05.45 | PsyTrance | screen is still up |
| 08:05.49 | ayambit | On debian it is. |
| 08:05.58 | ayambit | I checked just now. |
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| 08:06.25 | ayambit | Now I must figure out why it is killed then I close gnome-friggin'-terminal. |
| 08:06.29 | PsyTrance | i turn off my computer with active ssh connection, with screen |
| 08:06.42 | PsyTrance | turn on, connect and reatach my screen |
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| 08:07.25 | ayambit | Yes, I killed ssh session, started another and reattached to screen which was still running. |
| 08:07.36 | PsyTrance | yes |
| 08:07.59 | ayambit | I love it even more, I even think I'll use screen + xterm, no more gnome-terminal.s |
| 08:08.09 | peterrooney | ayambit: if you're using screen, gnome-terminal might be superfluous. i don't have said problem with xterm |
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| 08:08.56 | peterrooney | except when I'm attaching to a remote machine with screen running... that's caught me a few times. |
| 08:09.26 | ayambit | What happens then? |
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| 08:15.14 | passwordoff | How to install program which have an older version then in package manager? |
| 08:15.42 | homie | apt-get -t <distro-code> -s install <package> |
| 08:15.56 | homie | -s for simul |
| 08:16.07 | homie | before doing the real downgrade |
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| 08:16.28 | homie | and downgrading is normally not supported you should configure apt to use purge rather |
| 08:16.47 | erAbuelo | buenos dias |
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| 08:18.02 | passwordoff | homie: there are a distro code, but if I want to install previous version of programm for the same distro? |
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| 08:18.41 | homie | well, if you want to do it right use pinning |
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| 08:19.06 | homie | configure your sources.list to have the older repo and use pinning to get always the specific version of your package |
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| 08:19.20 | homie | man apt_preferences |
| 08:19.27 | homie | !apt_preferences |
| 08:19.27 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 08:22.43 | fbs | ayambit: that shouldnt happen |
| 08:22.50 | fbs | whoops, hist |
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| 08:30.47 | passwordoff | How to install only dependencies for package? |
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| 08:34.45 | leafwiz | Hey, Im running Wheezy. And I need the glib 2.6 package. But I cant find it. Do I need to do a manual install? |
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| 08:37.26 | peterrooney | !search |
| 08:37.27 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <debtags>. |
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| 08:38.29 | stuff | http://76.90.182.247:8080/ |
| 08:39.06 | ultrav1olet | I'm running debian stable (6.0) right now, and I want to install a package from unstable. Is it safe using 'unstable'? Will something possibly break in the future if I mix packages from stable and unstable? |
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| 08:39.34 | ultrav1olet | the package in question is php5-fpm which is not available in stable |
| 08:39.42 | c0nfl|ct | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:41.14 | Argafal | win 44 |
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| 08:41.46 | ultrav1olet | some websites suggest that I should simply use http://www.dotdeb.org/ packages, but I want to go pure-debian with no 'left' repos |
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| 08:42.29 | leafwiz | peterrooney: Hey, I have tried doing that. And googleing for it. But I could not find anything to do with 2.6 I have 2.0 on my system:i libglib2.0-0 - The GLib library of C routines |
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| 08:43.14 | ultrav1olet | such a helpful channel |
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| 08:43.32 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Hey Dec. |
| 08:43.37 | JaMeSiTeGeN | humm, not logged in. |
| 08:43.42 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Decamero78: |
| 08:43.47 | JaMeSiTeGeN | sorry, wrong person. |
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| 08:44.40 | gnugr | ultrav1olet: you can get any debs you need here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/debian-squeeze-repositories-709694/ |
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| 08:47.43 | peterrooney | ,versions libglib2.6-0 |
| 08:47.45 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libglib2.6-0' was found in i386. |
| 08:47.48 | peterrooney | ,versions libglib2.6 |
| 08:47.48 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libglib2.6' was found in i386. |
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| 08:48.28 | peterrooney | leafwiz: why do you think you need glib version 2.6? |
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| 08:49.51 | leafwiz | peterrooney: open-vm-tools-2011.03.28-387002 , configure: error: glib >= 2.6.0 is required. |
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| 08:50.47 | leafwiz | Then I tried installing the open-vm-tools in the repository. It was lacking some kernel modules. |
| 08:51.08 | leafwiz | So I thought I would install this package manual. To get everything on one go. |
| 08:52.17 | gnugr | leafwiz: what repos you use in your sources.list? |
| 08:52.18 | peterrooney | leafwiz: huh. I'm on squeeze here, and out of ideas. |
| 08:53.12 | leafwiz | gnugr: deb http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib |
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| 08:54.39 | gnugr | !resting | leafwiz |
| 08:54.58 | gnugr | !testing | leafwiz |
| 08:55.08 | gnugr | !testing |
| 08:55.08 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 08:55.29 | babilen | gnugr: #ubuntu much? -- It is: !tell foo {-,}about bar |
| 08:56.42 | gnugr | ok |
| 08:58.18 | babilen | leafwiz: Are you perhaps looking for open-vm-source ? |
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| 09:04.12 | leafwiz | babilen: My goal is to install open-vm-tools on my debain testing, to intergrate it with vmware. the aptiude install open-vm-tools would not start, with a /etc/init.d/open-vm-tools start. said it lacked several modules. |
| 09:04.53 | leafwiz | Then I thought of just installing open-vm-tools from source. but to do that I need glib 2.6, which it seems debian testing does not have. I can only find glib 2.0 |
| 09:05.17 | babilen | leafwiz: Yes, and the open-vm-source package contains the source necessary to compile those modules. The package should have been installed already and I guess you find valuable information in /usr/share/doc/open-vm-source/* |
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| 09:06.14 | leafwiz | babilen: aha.. So the source contains glib 2.6? I can check out the doc |
| 09:07.43 | leafwiz | babilen: or, I would think the source to compile the needed kernel modules are described in the doc.. Makes more sense. :) |
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| 09:09.20 | babilen | leafwiz: I would follow the official Debian way as (hopefully) described in the README.* in the aforementioned directory. I guess that you don't have libglib2.0-dev installed -- But just follow the instructions for the open-vm-source package |
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| 09:12.17 | leafwiz | babilen: yes. It worked, and I learned something new. thx. :) |
| 09:12.33 | babilen | leafwiz: wonderful! what did you learn? |
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| 09:14.50 | leafwiz | babilen: I learned about the doc area. that I can go there first if there I have some questions about the package install. |
| 09:15.02 | babilen | !readme.debian |
| 09:15.02 | dpkg | README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration. |
| 09:16.04 | babilen | leafwiz: Yeah, that is an important place. It almost always contains valuable documents and sometimed even example configuration files. :) |
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| 09:17.52 | ttiicc | I love debian and debian loves me! |
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| 09:22.26 | ultrav1olet | I've created the following /etc/apt/preferences file http://pastebin.com/RvgtQCpR but apt-get ignores is altogether, what can I do? |
| 09:22.58 | ultrav1olet | `apt-cache policy` doesn't mention anything from this file |
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| 09:24.47 | babilen | ultrav1olet: The '*' is not a wildcard |
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| 09:26.57 | babilen | ultrav1olet: And there is no 'php' package as well. It is, in general, not a good idea to mix stable with sid too and you might want to backport packages manually -- /msg dpkg ssb -- If you need newer versions. |
| 09:28.44 | ultrav1olet | I want to have php* packages from unstable |
| 09:28.57 | ultrav1olet | because stable doesn't have php5-fpm |
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| 09:29.01 | leafwiz | babilen: Hey, When I run the module build command. The build failes with error: unknown field âioctlâ specified in initializer - http://pastebin.com/PenXUeqq |
| 09:29.14 | ultrav1olet | so far I couldn't find a single working manual on the net about this issue |
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| 09:30.11 | babilen | ultrav1olet: Try to backport that particular package -- /msg dpkg ssb -- That is a much better way than mixing stable with sid. |
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| 09:31.06 | babilen | !tell ultrav1olet -about pinning |
| 09:31.16 | babilen | ultrav1olet: But don't do that. |
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| 09:32.30 | ultrav1olet | babilen: as far as I understand, by backporting you mean downloading a new package source and rebuilding it |
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| 09:33.27 | babilen | leafwiz: Stab in the dark: But do you have the kernel headers installed? If you don't you might want to installed the corresponding linux-header-??? package to your linux-image-??? package. (linux-headers-2.6-amd64 if you have linux-image-2.6-amg64 for example) |
| 09:33.36 | babilen | ultrav1olet: yes, exactly |
| 09:33.42 | ultrav1olet | it sucks for several reasons: 1) I will have to install gcc and accompanying packages 2) I won't be able to upgrade packages easily 3) I will have to keep track of new packages' releases to stay updated (security fixes, etc) |
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| 09:34.28 | babilen | ultrav1olet: True, but mixing stable with unstable is really not a good idea. Your choice though. |
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| 09:35.10 | ultrav1olet | in short - I want to avoid this path, because I've already seen at least three servers hacked when packages were installed from sources and then no one ever updated them |
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| 09:35.39 | ultrav1olet | babilen: I just cannot understand what's the 'proper' way of mixing stable and unstable |
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| 09:36.24 | babilen | there is no proper way -- the only supported way are backports, which you have to create and maintain yourself if they are not available through the official backports. |
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| 09:36.37 | leafwiz | babilen: yes. They are installed. I read something about some functions has been faced out, and maybe that is why the code breaks. |
| 09:36.45 | ultrav1olet | e.g. php5 requires some new libraries from unstable, I want these required packages to be updated automatically |
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| 09:37.23 | S4RY | If i get "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required" , does that means it's safe to remove them! |
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| 09:37.32 | ultrav1olet | it seems like my only choice is to enable an external repo which contains packages built specifically for stable |
| 09:37.35 | babilen | ultrav1olet: I don't see why php5 in stable should require libraries from unstable. Guess you are referring to the php5 package in unstable though. |
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| 09:37.52 | ultrav1olet | yep |
| 09:37.53 | zgedneil | S4RY: usually |
| 09:38.02 | Arrowmaster | ultrav1olet: you arent referring to dotdeb are you? |
| 09:38.11 | ultrav1olet | Arrowmaster: exactly |
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| 09:38.15 | Arrowmaster | !dotdeb |
| 09:38.15 | dpkg | methinks dotdeb is for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior.. Ask me about <backports> and <debian-backports>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
| 09:38.17 | ultrav1olet | is it a good idea? |
| 09:38.19 | zgedneil | S4RY: unless you installed something yourself which depends on them it should be fine |
| 09:38.40 | zgedneil | S4RY: I mean, manually installed, not a Debian package |
| 09:38.54 | Arrowmaster | hmm i thought that factoid used to have something about dotdeb packages often being broken in some way |
| 09:39.00 | ultrav1olet | How can I see which packages belong to which release? |
| 09:39.09 | S4RY | Alright , just making it sure , Thanks mate's. |
| 09:39.22 | ultrav1olet | It seems like I accidentally installed a few packages from unstable, I want to revert/purge them |
| 09:39.31 | babilen | leafwiz: Hmm, I am not familiar enough with open-vm-* in order to help any further. You might want to keep an eye on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=open-vm-source |
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| 09:39.51 | Arrowmaster | ultrav1olet: easiest way is probably to install apt-show-versions |
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| 09:41.01 | babilen | ultrav1olet: Welcome to the pleasures of mixing stable and unstable. Use apt-show-versions|grep -e "/sid" to see which packages you have installed and try to downgrade them manually. |
| 09:41.14 | ultrav1olet | Arrowmaster: does this utility show already installed packages repos? |
| 09:41.26 | ultrav1olet | babilen: thanks! |
| 09:41.37 | erAbuelo | ta lueg |
| 09:43.14 | ultrav1olet | babilen: apt-show-versions | grep -v squeeze works better |
| 09:43.19 | Arrowmaster | ultrav1olet: i think it can show what repo you can get an already installed package from, technically there is no way to track what repo you installed a package from just what repo that exact version is currently still available from |
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| 09:43.44 | genius008 | Sziasztok |
| 09:43.58 | ultrav1olet | Arrowmaster: thanks |
| 09:44.11 | ultrav1olet | how can I downgrade packages to their "stable" versions? |
| 09:45.16 | leafwiz | babilen: mm.. It seems to be a problem with something updated in the kernel , there are several others that has the same problem. - http://blog.breadncup.com/2011/02/26/vmware-tool-patch-for-linux-kernel-2-6-3738/ |
| 09:45.17 | babilen | ultrav1olet: dpkg -i the_old.deb -- You might find them in /var/cache/apt/archives/ -- Note that this is *not* supported and might not work. |
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| 09:47.18 | ultrav1olet | I'm from RPM world, but here's how I will do that in RPM: rpm -e --nodeps package; yum install package |
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| 09:47.38 | ultrav1olet | can I do it in debian the same way? |
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| 09:49.10 | babilen | ultrav1olet: No idea -- What does that rpm command do? |
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| 09:49.50 | ultrav1olet | it worked just fine |
| 09:50.05 | ultrav1olet | dpkg --force-depends -r libpcre3; apt-get install libpcre3 |
| 09:50.06 | dpkg | wish i knew, ultrav1olet |
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| 09:51.25 | nikhatzi | hello people. i have a debian server (dedicated) and someone logged in with my account into it. is there any way to see the ip of the person who did that? |
| 09:51.27 | ultrav1olet | `apt-show-versions | grep -v squeeze` now returns an empty set ;) |
| 09:51.43 | ultrav1olet | nikhatzi: last |
| 09:52.36 | nikhatzi | i got this: cm-84.208.201.15 |
| 09:52.46 | nikhatzi | the ip is 84.208.201.15? |
| 09:53.32 | ultrav1olet | no |
| 09:53.35 | ultrav1olet | run last -i |
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| 09:54.42 | nikhatzi | ok thank you ultrav1olet :) |
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| 10:01.44 | ultrav1olet | OK, it seems like I'll go with preferences for all required php* and dependant packages |
| 10:02.04 | ultrav1olet | I meant /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 10:02.21 | superlinux | hi. how can I rename the volume of a disk? i.e. to give it a Label? |
| 10:02.31 | superlinux | it's ext4 |
| 10:03.20 | ttiicc | if I install Debian 6 what's the recommended filesystem type? ext3 or ext4? |
| 10:03.47 | ttiicc | and does it make any difference if it's a desktop or live server environment? |
| 10:04.05 | rumbert | ttiicc: between the 2, i would recommend ext4 unless you want to use special utilities only available for ext2/3 |
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| 10:04.37 | rumbert | ttiicc: there are file recovery and empty space wipe programs which only function with <ext4 |
| 10:04.54 | ttiicc | then I'll use ext4 |
| 10:05.09 | nsadmin | ttiicc, so this is a server? or desktop? |
| 10:05.34 | ttiicc | thought that ext4 really wasn't ready for production environments but guess I was wrong |
| 10:05.37 | ultrav1olet | superlinux: man tune2fs |
| 10:05.52 | ultrav1olet | ttiicc: use ext4 |
| 10:05.58 | Bus3rr0r | you trying to assign a label to a fat partition? |
| 10:06.00 | ttiicc | Im thinking about a server, but would be nice to know what's recommended for a desktop too |
| 10:06.19 | ultrav1olet | ttiicc: been using it for more than two years with no problems so far |
| 10:06.24 | superlinux | ok |
| 10:06.28 | nsadmin | the filesystem type may or may not make a difference to you, but the basic deal behind a server is you want to keep it running without the need for logging onto it and doing stuff manually. |
| 10:06.31 | rumbert | ext4 is fully ready. I think reiser4 without compression is ready for handling /var/cache |
| 10:06.55 | nsadmin | part of accomplishing that, is keeping certain areas of your disk from filling |
| 10:06.56 | ultrav1olet | ttiicc: if you like downloading torrents and big file, I'd suggest using XFS |
| 10:07.08 | nsadmin | the way to do that is to partition appropriately |
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| 10:07.28 | ttiicc | no I will be using allot of quick small writes and reads |
| 10:07.37 | Bus3rr0r | use ZFS |
| 10:07.39 | ultrav1olet | no other linux FS has a defragmentation utility |
| 10:07.52 | ttiicc | It a server which will hosting tomcat and mysql! |
| 10:08.02 | ultrav1olet | ZFS is good for FreeBSD and Solaris |
| 10:08.14 | ultrav1olet | in Linux it's a f*ck up |
| 10:08.19 | nsadmin | ultrav1olet, that would be because some of the other fses try to keep it defragged |
| 10:08.38 | ultrav1olet | nsadmin: that's lauphable |
| 10:08.47 | rumbert | Bus3rr0r: is ZFS an option for / since it uses FUSE? |
| 10:08.56 | ultrav1olet | I meant laughable |
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| 10:09.06 | Bus3rr0r | I use it as a NAS effectively |
| 10:09.13 | nsadmin | I'll just suggest you read up |
| 10:09.13 | Bus3rr0r | it is an exceptional file system |
| 10:09.26 | nsadmin | ttiicc, is it remote now? |
| 10:09.26 | ultrav1olet | nsadmin: fill any FS up to 100%, delete every second file, write a new big file |
| 10:09.44 | ultrav1olet | no FS will be able to keep this file defragmented |
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| 10:09.57 | ultrav1olet | on XFS you'll be able to run xfs_defrag |
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| 10:10.29 | ttiicc | nsadmin: what? |
| 10:10.47 | nsadmin | the thing you will install debian onto |
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| 10:11.29 | Arrowmaster | if you dont have a UPS then XFS might not be suitable depending on if you are willing to risk dataloss or not |
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| 10:11.46 | nsadmin | xfs has a switch for that |
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| 10:12.09 | ttiicc | nsadmin: no it's not but it'll be moved to a remoted hosted environment once it's ready |
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| 10:12.23 | nsadmin | so you're going to ship the machine? |
| 10:13.01 | ultrav1olet | Arrowmaster: how can I see packages versions in apt-get search output? |
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| 10:13.12 | ultrav1olet | I cannot find a switch for that |
| 10:13.23 | Arrowmaster | use aptitude search |
| 10:13.26 | Arrowmaster | its better |
| 10:13.40 | ttiicc | no just move it |
| 10:13.48 | ttiicc | we rent space in a server hall |
| 10:14.02 | dnl_web | hi all, i have a server and have to conntect to the internet via a basic auth proxy server using export http_proxy="http://username:cleartextpassword@proxy.example.com", this is not really great because the password is visible to everybody using the server... is there any alternativ? |
| 10:14.14 | nsadmin | oh ok, whose location is local to you |
| 10:14.18 | Arrowmaster | ultrav1olet: oh wait that doesnt have versions either |
| 10:14.34 | Arrowmaster | ultrav1olet: but you can control the output formating of aptitude search i think |
| 10:15.18 | nsadmin | you should prevent / from filling; the way to do that is to have separate /usr, /home, /tmp, /var |
| 10:15.19 | ultrav1olet | debian is so debian ;) |
| 10:16.00 | nsadmin | the more effectively you do that, the less you'll actually have to perform manual maintainance |
| 10:16.43 | nsadmin | any place that's expected to grow, should -not- be storage mounted on / |
| 10:18.36 | nsadmin | otoh, certain things should be in /, like /etc, /bin, /sbin, /lib |
| 10:19.05 | nsadmin | avoid using /root for general storage |
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| 10:20.27 | Arrowmaster | and thats not a 'should' but a 'THINGS WILL BREAK OTHERWISE' |
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| 10:21.37 | nsadmin | right, and a damned inconvenience if you have to drive 1000 miles to get to the server physically |
| 10:22.17 | nsadmin | if the location is local as implied, you're lucky... not everyone is |
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| 10:23.53 | atan | Can you make a cron run every second or two? |
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| 10:24.21 | atan | I see the format is minute hours day... |
| 10:24.34 | Erbureth | atan: i doubt it, you have to make a script to achieve this |
| 10:25.07 | nsadmin | many crons check every minute, some crons every 5 mins |
| 10:25.30 | atan | So I'd just need to write my script to sleep for a second or two then? :) |
| 10:26.08 | Erbureth | atan: something like that |
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| 10:27.32 | Arrowmaster | for something that often a 'daemon' rather than a cron job sounds better |
| 10:28.04 | nsadmin | cron is probably not meant to be accurate to the second... it may turn out to be, but remember that under load, it might not happen as "expected" |
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| 10:29.04 | nsadmin | I'm assuming you need some accuracy... yes? |
| 10:29.06 | atan | Maybe there is a better way to get where I want to go. I want to hit a url on a site every 1 or 2 seconds for 2 or 3 days. |
| 10:29.18 | atan | The only thing I need is to NOT hit the URL more than once per second. |
| 10:29.46 | nsadmin | well you can sleep 2 secs |
| 10:30.21 | atan | Can you suggest what I might use for this? Perhaps example code somewhere for an sh script? |
| 10:30.44 | atan | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/programming-9/seting-cron-to-run-a-script-every-second-425623/#post2169472 suffice? |
| 10:30.46 | vtts | atan: while true; do wget -O /dev/null http://some/url.html; sleep 2; done |
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| 10:31.36 | atan | vtts, if the cron runs every minute? or, err? How do I run that? :) |
| 10:31.50 | vtts | just paste it into a terminal |
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| 10:32.06 | atan | vtts, interesting. So no cron required then? :) |
| 10:32.07 | vtts | use screen if necessary |
| 10:32.11 | vtts | nop |
| 10:32.14 | superlinux | again, how can I refresh the list of partitions without re-plugging the disks every now and then? |
| 10:32.30 | atan | vtts, will this show me the output every 2 seconds? Or the command running even |
| 10:32.45 | atan | I'm logged in using ssh as root, can I close my terminal? |
| 10:32.58 | vtts | use "screen" if you need to logout |
| 10:33.19 | vtts | superlinux, check: hdparm -z |
| 10:33.25 | atan | I'm not aware of how to use screen properly :S I'll youtube it |
| 10:33.26 | superlinux | ok |
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| 10:33.59 | Bushmills | atan: alternatively, check out tmux |
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| 10:34.15 | Arrowmaster | superlinux: kpartx, dont know how to use it though |
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| 10:34.47 | Arrowmaster | superlinux: or partprobe |
| 10:35.13 | superlinux | partprobe is now wrorking |
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| 10:35.39 | Arrowmaster | can you believe i was just told about those the other day and thought they were useless in the context they were mentioned |
| 10:35.45 | atan | vtts, once I issue this command how do I stop it? Locate the pid and kill it? |
| 10:35.59 | atan | ty Bushmills |
| 10:36.28 | ultrav1olet | how I can enable/disable startup services in Debian? |
| 10:36.32 | vtts | pres Ctrl+C and hold until it stops |
| 10:36.51 | ultrav1olet | I meant bootup |
| 10:37.05 | Bushmills | ultrav1olet: read about sysv init |
| 10:37.11 | vtts | ultrav1olet, update-rc.d, or some have options in /etc/default |
| 10:37.16 | atan | What's the difference between ctrl+c and ctrl+z? I assume c=cancel and z=sleep? |
| 10:37.28 | ultrav1olet | vtts: thanks |
| 10:37.50 | superlinux | what would ZERO the disk totally? |
| 10:37.59 | Bushmills | atan: ctrl-z is for job management. read about fg, bg |
| 10:38.12 | superlinux | ..like a low level formatting |
| 10:38.14 | vtts | superlinux, dd of=/dev/zero if=/dev/disk |
| 10:38.14 | casts | atan: man bash, too |
| 10:38.18 | superlinux | ok |
| 10:38.28 | casts | vtts: uh...wth? |
| 10:38.43 | vtts | casts, ? |
| 10:38.57 | Bushmills | superlinux: heating it to 4000 K |
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| 10:39.27 | superlinux | Bushmills, no. I want to re use it |
| 10:39.38 | vtts | superlinux, sorry, if and of should be in reverse |
| 10:39.57 | vtts | if=/dev/zero and of=/dev/DISK |
| 10:39.58 | superlinux | oh true |
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| 10:40.20 | vtts | you could add bs=512k to speed it up a bit |
| 10:40.29 | superlinux | ok |
| 10:40.30 | superlinux | sure |
| 10:40.40 | Bushmills | superlinux: ah, right. i didn't expect you actually asking such a trivial question, so i thought you were looking for a more sophisticated approach |
| 10:40.57 | superlinux | it's corrupt |
| 10:41.12 | MeglaW | my system seems to take up 6 GB seems exsessive, can anyone help? i donno what i can safely remove.... doing a sudo du -hc --max-depth=1 right now for you to look at |
| 10:41.37 | Bushmills | superlinux: you should name your computers after politicians |
| 10:41.52 | superlinux | Why? |
| 10:41.55 | Bushmills | s/should/shouldn't/ |
| 10:42.01 | Bushmills | to avoid corruption |
| 10:42.08 | superlinux | nice! |
| 10:42.26 | jelly | !instant rimshot |
| 10:42.37 | vtts | Bushmills, lol :) |
| 10:42.39 | superlinux | do you want some? we have heaps! Egypt, Lebanon... etc |
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| 10:43.06 | Erbureth | MeglaW: mine takes up 22 GB :) |
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| 10:43.27 | MeglaW | http://pastebin.com/XcFunpLu |
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| 10:43.55 | casts | MeglaW: aptitude search -O installsize ~i|less, and i'd use xdiskusage /, too |
| 10:43.57 | MeglaW | i only need like network, xdm, xmonad, screen, irssi, tcl 8.4 |
| 10:44.12 | MeglaW | casts: i dont have aptitude, can apt do that |
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| 10:44.15 | Bushmills | MeglaW: ubuntu? |
| 10:44.18 | jelly | MeglaW: install it. |
| 10:44.20 | MeglaW | no |
| 10:44.28 | casts | MeglaW: why don't you have aptitude |
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| 10:44.32 | MeglaW | it always breaks stuff |
| 10:44.35 | MeglaW | i removed it |
| 10:44.39 | MeglaW | i cant handle it |
| 10:44.54 | casts | walks away |
| 10:45.38 | superlinux | how long should the 40GB take me using the 512k rate? |
| 10:45.48 | superlinux | it's on USB2 |
| 10:45.53 | MeglaW | ah come on casts whats wrong with aptr |
| 10:45.53 | erAbuelo | volvi :) |
| 10:45.56 | jelly | superlinux: use the magic powers of DIVISION |
| 10:45.57 | MeglaW | -r |
| 10:45.59 | Bushmills | superlinux: bash can do arithmetics |
| 10:46.14 | casts | superlinux: send dd the USR1 signal and work it out |
| 10:46.15 | jelly | Bushmills: so can people that went thru primary school |
| 10:46.23 | casts | 512k isn't the rate, its the blocksize |
| 10:46.26 | Erbureth | MeglaW: it's becoming obsolete |
| 10:46.41 | MeglaW | argh those aptitude rules confuse me |
| 10:46.43 | superlinux | ah ok. I just don' know the way to get the rating |
| 10:46.47 | MeglaW | i can never get it right |
| 10:46.56 | MeglaW | and stuff breaks |
| 10:46.59 | Erbureth | MeglaW: aptitude can do the same job and has friendlier interface |
| 10:47.01 | jelly | superlinux: casts just told you how |
| 10:47.22 | superlinux | yes he did jelly |
| 10:47.25 | Bushmills | jelly, ack |
| 10:47.37 | MeglaW | Erbureth: ok can u translates casts aptitude line for apt? ;) |
| 10:48.06 | Erbureth | MeglaW: no, unless it is bijective |
| 10:48.21 | superlinux | guys, there is my USB keyboard is facing a delay as i type |
| 10:48.33 | MeglaW | capitulates and installes aptitude |
| 10:49.05 | superlinux | Oi! Delicious stakes are calling him to dinner! :) |
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| 10:49.59 | Bushmills | MeglaW: you could have awk summupped the filtered apt-cache show'n output of your packages |
| 10:50.10 | Bushmills | sumupped |
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| 10:50.42 | MeglaW | yeah i just had no idead what u said hehe |
| 10:51.44 | Bushmills | hm.. apt-cache show ... has lines with "Size". akw can filter them, and sum up the numbers. |
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| 10:52.24 | Bushmills | actually, asimple grep, piped to sort· would have done |
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| 10:53.43 | casts | hmm @ dpkg-query -Wf '${Installed-Size}\t${Package}\n'|sort -n |
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| 10:56.02 | _znull | how can I install php-fpm ( debian 5.0 ) any repos for this? |
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| 10:57.48 | jelly | !list by size |
| 10:58.10 | jelly | !sort by size |
| 10:58.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sort by size is aptitude search ~i -O installsize -F"%p %I", or see <sort by size sarge> |
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| 11:00.22 | eshat | !dpigs |
| 11:00.22 | dpkg | well, dpigs is an app that shows which installed packages occupy the most space, it's in the debian-goodies package |
| 11:01.18 | MeglaW | ah |
| 11:01.21 | MeglaW | i found it |
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| 11:01.34 | MeglaW | it was a corrupt sysbackup in webmins share/fsdump |
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| 11:03.53 | casts | you use webmin too? |
| 11:04.22 | MeglaW | dont be a hater |
| 11:04.23 | abrotman | hell no |
| 11:04.29 | MeglaW | its good for some things |
| 11:04.32 | MeglaW | as in easyer |
| 11:04.50 | casts | so /why/ aren't you using ubuntu? |
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| 11:05.51 | MeglaW | it feels broken |
| 11:06.10 | MeglaW | been using debian since 2001 or something after testing all the relevant dists |
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| 11:06.25 | MeglaW | and "the debian way" of doing stuff just feels best |
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| 11:08.29 | abrotman | webmin isn't really the debian way ... |
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| 11:09.17 | MeglaW | its a debian package! |
| 11:09.21 | MeglaW | ;) |
| 11:09.31 | MeglaW | i dont even remember what i used it for |
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| 11:09.54 | abrotman | it is NOT a Debian package |
| 11:10.26 | MeglaW | must have used to been then |
| 11:10.57 | abrotman | yeah .. about six years ago ... |
| 11:11.14 | casts | are you using a 6 year old debian release |
| 11:11.20 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343897 |
| 11:11.31 | abrotman | that was a good guess on six .. closer to 5.5 .. but still |
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| 11:14.28 | MeglaW | :( |
| 11:14.38 | MeglaW | i told i iv been using it for a wile |
| 11:14.48 | MeglaW | and yeah |
| 11:14.49 | MeglaW | meglaw@meglaw:~$ apt-cache search webmin |
| 11:14.50 | MeglaW | webmin - A web-based administration interface for Unix systems. |
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| 11:15.23 | MeglaW | my sources.list say weezy |
| 11:15.27 | MeglaW | wheezy |
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| 11:15.43 | MeglaW | so, it must be a debian pakage still right |
| 11:15.55 | Leoneof | i can't find webmin? using 6.0.1a |
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| 11:16.41 | MeglaW | http://pastebin.com/r5KzDyeS |
| 11:16.44 | jelly | !webmin |
| 11:16.45 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 11:17.02 | Leoneof | oh |
| 11:17.24 | jelly | MeglaW: "apt-cache policy webmin" will reveal you're not getting that from any official Debian reposiroty |
| 11:17.36 | jelly | reposiroty? |
| 11:17.59 | Leoneof | !free whcp |
| 11:17.59 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig>, <ispCP> Omega and <RavenCore>. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
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| 11:19.27 | MeglaW | jelly: i see |
| 11:20.27 | ayambit | If I do zcat access_log-2011-03-31.gz | cut -d ' ' -f 1,4 I get this output: "195.128.50.136 [31/Mar/2011:00:45:06" How do I cut only time from second column? |
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| 11:24.56 | Fisherman | Halp |
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| 11:25.14 | Fisherman | Halp, some program for handicapped prevents me from typing when I log in in gnome |
| 11:25.24 | MeglaW | i need to trim my system down to a bara minimum, gonna ghost it over to a sdhc card via a sdhd-2.5¨ IDE adapter |
| 11:27.32 | jelly | ayambit: what does the whole line look like? |
| 11:27.57 | jelly | ayambit: and which piece do you want? |
| 11:28.46 | ayambit | jelly: 62.109.28.198 - - [31/Mar/2011:00:00:01 +0400] "POST /dns/dealer HTTP/1.0" 200 627 "-" "BILLmanager-Advanced" |
| 11:28.53 | ayambit | I want ip and time only |
| 11:29.02 | ayambit | without date |
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| 11:31.10 | jelly | ayambit: you could, say, use : or space as a delimiter, and print out fields 1, 5,6,7: awk -F'[: ]' '{print $1 " " $5":"$6":"$7}' |
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| 11:32.23 | ayambit | jelly: yes, this works just as needed, thanks a lot. |
| 11:33.04 | jelly | awk is often nicer than cut for tasks like that |
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| 11:34.45 | ayambit | jelly: I should somehow learn both of them anyway. slowly. |
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| 11:46.30 | Karen_m | after upgrading to squeeze, dkim-filter keeps segfaulting... dkim-filter[5009]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f63e57f506a sp 00007fff20f071f8 error 4 in libc-2.11.2.so[7f63e577b000+158000] |
| 11:46.37 | Karen_m | what do you guys use for dkim on squeeze? |
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| 11:53.29 | Posterdati | hi |
| 11:53.41 | Posterdati | please I need help installing debian on indigo2 :) Thanks |
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| 11:55.03 | ayambit | Using "zcat access_log-2011-03-31.gz | awk -F'[: ]' '{print $5 " " $1}'" I got this output: "00 95.27.111.2", where 00 is hours, 95.27.111.2 is IP. Now I need to count IP by hours. I can do this in loop doing grep "00 ", grep " 01" and so on piping the output to "wc - l", but I don't think this is optimal. |
| 11:55.30 | babilen | Posterdati: Please provide much more information. It is quite hard to guess why you need help and which errors you run into. -- /msg dpkg smart questions -- /msg dpkg ask |
| 11:55.43 | Posterdati | babilen: ok |
| 11:56.13 | Posterdati | babilen: I set up a netboot enviroment, netboot image (from squeeze) loads, but game me unexpected exception |
| 11:56.56 | babilen | ayambit: Looks as if you want #bash -- Shouldn't be that hard to implement in Python for example. Take a look at http://www.dabeaz.com/generators-uk/ for some ideas. |
| 11:56.56 | Posterdati | babilen: I used then a lenny netboot image, but kernel loads and stops at Starting kernel... message, magic sysreq works as ctrl + alt + del reboots the machine ;) |
| 11:57.16 | ayambit | babilen: thanks for pointing me to #bash |
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| 11:57.25 | themill | babilen: perl! |
| 11:57.30 | babilen | themill: bah! |
| 11:57.47 | babilen | ;) |
| 11:58.14 | babilen | Posterdati: What exception do you get? (/me is getting tea, one second) |
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| 11:59.26 | Posterdati | babilen: wait I'm retraying it ;) |
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| 11:59.36 | Karen_m | what app should I use for DKIM on debian squeeze? dkim-filter segfaults, please let me know what you use ?? |
| 11:59.36 | Posterdati | babilen: wait I'm retrying it ;) |
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| 12:01.12 | lubyou | is there a way to force ntpd to not listen on any interfaces at all? I just want to sync the time, but dont act as a time server myself |
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| 12:03.48 | SPF | lubyou: uninstall ntp, install ntpdate |
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| 12:05.33 | Posterdati | babilen: here again Exception: <vector=UTLB Miss> |
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| 12:06.02 | thomasfuston | hmm, i know this is not a 100% debian related question, but anyone every used bmpanel2? |
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| 12:07.32 | swilson06 | i installed debian-keyring but i'm still getting this: Install these packages without verification [y/N]? |
| 12:07.53 | swilson06 | how do i get rid of it for main mirrors? |
| 12:08.22 | themill | swilson06: you want the "debian-archive-keyring" package instead |
| 12:08.33 | swilson06 | thanks |
| 12:08.37 | babilen | Posterdati: Google that, you'll get a bunch of results. You might also want to try #debian-mips on irc.debian.org and the debian-mips mailing list. I am not sure what might cause this error. |
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| 12:09.32 | Posterdati | babilen: thanks |
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| 12:09.33 | swilson06 | heh, i was sorta wondering why debian-keyring was 30 megs... guess it's all the ca certs... |
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| 12:11.39 | babilen | swilson06: no, it contains the gpg key's of all developers |
| 12:11.46 | babilen | keys even :-\ |
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| 12:13.58 | swilson06 | is there anything else i need to do after installing that package? i'm still getting that message. |
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| 12:14.30 | dawud | swilson06: aptitude update? |
| 12:15.19 | swilson06 | yep :) |
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| 12:19.59 | Li | Where can I find gtk-config in squeeze ? without having to download the source of gtk and installing it by hand |
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| 12:20.26 | abrotman | !tell li about apt-file |
| 12:20.33 | Li | apt-file does not find it |
| 12:20.47 | abrotman | is it a gtk1 app? |
| 12:20.59 | abrotman | judd: find gtk-config --release lenny |
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| 12:21.01 | Li | 1.2 yea |
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| 12:21.06 | abrotman | then it's gone in squeeze |
| 12:21.28 | Li | hmm not good;/ |
| 12:21.36 | kenifanying | hi all, fim cannot correctly display image in squeeze, but fbi can do it? any suggestions? |
| 12:21.42 | kenifanying | see http://imagebin.org/148162 |
| 12:21.50 | abrotman | li: for what app? |
| 12:22.37 | Li | axv |
| 12:22.42 | Li | it's a minimal x11 image viewer |
| 12:22.56 | Li | i just look for a tiny image viewer with minimal dependencies to display a jpeg |
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| 12:23.20 | abrotman | li: feh or eog |
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| 12:23.47 | Li | I'll try eog, didn't have luck with feh |
| 12:23.56 | abrotman | you didn't? |
| 12:24.00 | Li | it's for another embedded distribution. hard to get some stuff running there |
| 12:24.01 | abrotman | feh foo.jpg? |
| 12:24.03 | abrotman | oh! |
| 12:24.09 | abrotman | eog probably has more |
| 12:24.15 | Li | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: do-lookup.h: 115: check_match: Assertion `version->filename == ((void *)0) || ! _dl_name_match_p (version->filename, map)' failed! |
| 12:24.16 | Li | ^^ |
| 12:24.23 | abrotman | version mismatch stuff |
| 12:24.43 | abrotman | you'll probably have less luck with eog .. i'd fix feh if it were me |
| 12:24.46 | abrotman | or try to |
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| 12:25.55 | Li | eog has 70 libraries ;) |
| 12:26.19 | abrotman | right.. that's what i meant |
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| 12:28.34 | swilson06 | i have a system that i use for development and i'm sorta tired of apt messing with perl. how do i tell it to leave everything 'perl' alone? |
| 12:28.57 | abrotman | swilson06: which version of Debian ? |
| 12:29.06 | swilson06 | ie, don't upgrade it, don't worry about any dependencies of it, etc |
| 12:29.08 | swilson06 | 6 |
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| 12:30.33 | nsadmin2 | swilson06: one way, build your own perl outside any dir debian packaging has permission to touch. Tall order. |
| 12:31.22 | nsadmin2 | the thing about the perl in /usr/bin, it's owned by debian packaging and to a degree used by it as well |
| 12:31.34 | swilson06 | yeah, i probably will do that. just didn't want to - i wanted to keep the existing stuff and tell debian to leave me alone :) |
| 12:32.10 | nsadmin2 | one way: don't upgrade debian |
| 12:32.27 | nsadmin2 | that means: never use dpkg/aptitude/apt-get |
| 12:33.28 | swilson06 | i didn't until i needed a newer library to run something. i had taken a snapshot, but decided to move forward and not worry about it. |
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| 12:33.54 | swilson06 | heh, i thought of using bsd to do dev on, but i sorta like debian |
| 12:34.03 | swilson06 | (i know debian better) |
| 12:34.23 | nsadmin2 | well most of my suggestions would have the effect of keeping depian packaging and its database on your machine happy |
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| 12:35.36 | nsadmin2 | if you don't want to, that's fine... but then things tend to break and you won't always know why they would ahead of time |
| 12:35.52 | swilson06 | so, no way of telling apt to ignore 'perl*' and '*-libperl*' stuff? |
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| 12:36.44 | swilson06 | or, is this really going against the grain and not keeping the db consistent? |
| 12:37.12 | nsadmin2 | well you could but most subsequent upgrades are likely to break |
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| 12:37.56 | nsadmin2 | it's a little hard to offer support here as I don't have a focused picture of your goal |
| 12:39.00 | nsadmin2 | what has you wanting perl to not be upgraded? |
| 12:39.23 | swilson06 | well, pretty much, debian has some perl libraries and cpan has others - so i'm using two package managers to manage one thing... |
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| 12:40.22 | swilson06 | so, when i do a dist-upgrade or something like that, some perl library gets updated, removed, or whatever that doesn't need to be and then i have to spend hours in cpan fixing things |
| 12:40.34 | nsadmin2 | got it. one thing you can do is use a script I forgot the name of which takes from cpan and spits out debian packages |
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| 12:42.06 | swilson06 | that's an interesting option. i'll go google. thanks |
| 12:42.37 | nsadmin2 | let's see, the bot knows |
| 12:42.40 | nsadmin2 | !perl |
| 12:42.40 | dpkg | Perl (backronymed as Practical Extraction and Report Language and Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister) is an interpreted, high-level, dynamic programming language. http://learn.perl.org/books/beginning-perl/ #perl on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:42.58 | nsadmin2 | !debian perl |
| 12:42.58 | dpkg | Perl (backronymed as Practical Extraction and Report Language and Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister) is an interpreted, high-level, dynamic programming language. http://learn.perl.org/books/beginning-perl/ #perl on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 12:43.27 | swilson06 | heh, good call: http://debian.pkgs.cpan.org/ |
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| 12:43.42 | swilson06 | not what you were suggesting, but i actually like this better :) |
| 12:44.11 | nsadmin2 | they may have used the script and/or adopted it |
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| 12:49.50 | nsadmin2 | !listkeys perl |
| 12:49.52 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'perl' by key (15 of 49): #debian-bots perl ;; _default apache-perl5.6 ;; _default dh-make-perl ;; debian perl ;; mod_perl ;; perl haiku ;; perl tutorial ;; perl-suid ;; perl5.6 ;; perlfs ;; perlpaste #del# ;; perlsh ;; specperl ;; suidperl needs fd script #del# ;; suidperl qmail bug #del#. |
| 12:50.14 | nsadmin2 | there it is |
| 12:50.21 | nsadmin2 | !dh-make-perl |
| 12:50.21 | dpkg | well, dh-make-perl is a packaged script that converts Perl modules snagged from <CPAN> into .deb archives. You get to use CPAN archives, Debian's dependencies stay in one piece, everybody's happy. |
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| 12:53.40 | anomaly | at the present moment, I am ssh'ng into the server at the office from home. [home] -> [office server]. but, to reach another machine on the lan, I have to ssh again [office server] -> [192.x.x.x]. I want to do [home] -> [192.x.x.x] yet since office uses 22.. I was thinking of doing forwarding, so it accepts port 22 requests.. but forwards all 222 requests from outside to 192.x.x.x.. I have echo'd '1' to port_forward and iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -i et |
| 12:53.41 | anomaly | h0 -d 192.168.1.98 --dport 222 -j ACCEPT.. yet when I do ssh -p 222 serverip I get a connection time out. |
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| 12:55.12 | swilson06 | ah |
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| 13:00.50 | nsadmin2 | anomaly the typical old-style way to do that (remember 192.168.* is unroutable) is to forward a port on the gateway |
| 13:01.02 | nsadmin2 | which is what you're now calling... |
| 13:01.18 | nsadmin2 | [office server] |
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| 13:02.45 | oz123 | hi guys, I encountered a very odd problem |
| 13:03.17 | oz123 | i set up my PS1 colors to blue on grey, but when I start tmux or screen, the colors invert ... |
| 13:03.23 | oz123 | any idea what is going on ? |
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| 13:04.04 | nsadmin2 | different terminal type? |
| 13:04.23 | swilson06 | invert? don't know what tmux is but screen has its own config for most terminal settings |
| 13:04.28 | nsadmin2 | and therefore different terminal emulator program's interpretation |
| 13:04.29 | swilson06 | (and then some) |
| 13:05.11 | oz123 | nsadmin, i log in to my computer via xterm |
| 13:05.32 | oz123 | is tmux/screen considerd a different terminal type ? |
| 13:05.50 | nsadmin2 | could be |
| 13:06.04 | swilson06 | depends on the config |
| 13:06.08 | nsadmin2 | there is an env var TERM you can check |
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| 13:07.20 | swilson06 | from my /etc/screenrc: termcapinfo xterm 'is=\E[r\E[m\E[2J\E[H\E[?7h\E[?1;4;6l' |
| 13:07.53 | swilson06 | (rather, debian's default - i have no idea what that's doing) |
| 13:08.02 | linusoleander | Anyone knows what package I need to get x11 to work? |
| 13:08.03 | linusoleander | I've tried to install x11-common but I cant start iceweasel from the shell |
| 13:08.38 | swilson06 | x11-server maybe? |
| 13:08.46 | nsadmin2 | do you want it to bake bread? to deliver newspapers? no? then what means "work"? |
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| 13:11.03 | swilson06 | what's that command to find locks on stuff? f something...? |
| 13:11.13 | swilson06 | err, locks on files |
| 13:11.20 | nsadmin2 | fuser? lsof? |
| 13:11.28 | swilson06 | fuser - thanks |
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| 13:14.28 | sugardrunk | A simple question about GPL-license. Am I allowed to format the look of it like done here http://opensourcematters.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=56&Itemid=155 for example? |
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| 13:15.17 | sugardrunk | of course I'm not going to change any content/information in it |
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| 13:15.50 | linusoleander | swilson06: Hmm, no that did not work |
| 13:16.14 | babilen | sugardrunk: I would be surprised if not. But IANAL and you probably want to ask in a more specific channel. Try #fsf / #gnu they might be know where to ask. |
| 13:17.08 | swilson06 | linusoleander: and your log file says? |
| 13:17.28 | swilson06 | does it crash or what? |
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| 13:17.52 | sugardrunk | babilen: ok, thanks :) |
| 13:18.01 | babilen | sugardrunk: That being said, I am pretty sure that you can style it anyway you want as long as you don't change the content. |
| 13:18.14 | swilson06 | do you have an xorg.conf with data? |
| 13:18.25 | swilson06 | what version? |
| 13:19.17 | swilson06 | (i need to keep that link about asking smart questions in my clipboard because it's useful at least two times a day) |
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| 13:20.19 | babilen | swilson06: <ot>easy to define aliases with irssi</ot> -- and our bot knows about it (!tell foo_user -about smart questions -- !smart questions) |
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| 13:23.19 | swilson06 | what would make a device busy if no user is sitting in that directory and fuser -m comes up empty? |
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| 13:24.10 | DammitJim | morning |
| 13:24.19 | swilson06 | i'm trying to unmount my shiny new debootstrap'd thumb drive and am getting 'device is busy' shit |
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| 13:24.43 | casts | is there a mount in it |
| 13:24.59 | swilson06 | mount in it? |
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| 13:25.28 | oz123 | ok, i looked around abit, inside screen session $TERM = screen, outside $TERM=xterm, but ... in my bashrc the PS1 definitions should be the same, i will paste, http://paste.debian.net/114003/ |
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| 13:26.14 | bionix-it | Hi! my debian squeeze (fresh install) have problems with hibernate-disk (suspend-to-disk) in combination with dmluks crypted swap.. have anyone an idea? |
| 13:26.31 | oz123 | can someone please help me find why in screen my prompt is blue on grey, and out side the opposite |
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| 13:27.02 | bionix-it | after the wakeup.. the system dont startup like with an uncrypted swapspace |
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| 13:27.58 | linusoleander | Anyone knows how to list cookies using w3m + |
| 13:28.47 | rudi_s | oz123: Wrong TERM? |
| 13:28.48 | DammitJim | I just installed wheezy on a laptop... why did it create 2 different kernel entries in grub? |
| 13:28.48 | swilson06 | oz123: i'd still defer to the screenrc |
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| 13:29.15 | rudi_s | swilson06: Does mount list it? lsof | grep /path/to/mount/directory might help. |
| 13:29.25 | casts | DammitJim: well, what is the difference between them? |
| 13:30.36 | swilson06 | yeah, it's mounted. no, lsof doesn't see anything with the path |
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| 13:31.09 | DammitJim | casts, 2.6.38-2-686 and 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 13:31.13 | babilen | bionix-it: You have to make sure that your swap is not encrypted with a random key. |
| 13:31.23 | DammitJim | hhmmmm.... unless on this "new" install grub just got updated and not recreated? |
| 13:31.26 | rudi_s | Hm. No idea what else could keep it open in that case. |
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| 13:31.50 | jelly | DammitJim: what wrong with having two kernels? |
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| 13:32.08 | jelly | I accidentally the verb from that sentence. |
| 13:32.13 | DammitJim | jelly, nothing wrong per se... just confused as to why it created both |
| 13:32.22 | DammitJim | like what's the purpose? |
| 13:32.29 | bionix-it | babilen: yes, my swap space is at my whole system hdd, which is encrypted by a password passphrase |
| 13:32.35 | jelly | DammitJim: it's testing |
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| 13:33.14 | jelly | DammitJim: quite possible the installer used one, and an update brought the second one |
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| 13:33.30 | DammitJim | ah, that makes sense, which is actually pretty cool |
| 13:33.31 | bionix-it | babilen: i start my debian after the hibernate-disk process normal and activate after the question about my passphrase |
| 13:33.58 | swilson06 | heh, i had proc and sys mounted on it. when i exited my chroot, it didn't undo that.... (things to remember) |
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| 13:34.13 | bionix-it | but the kernel dont resume the system out of the swap space |
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| 13:34.29 | DammitJim | jelly, if I was to use one of the two, which one should I use? or where do I read how stable .38-2 is? |
| 13:35.09 | jelly | DammitJim: use the one that works; alternatively, if both work, use the default (newer one) |
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| 13:35.28 | DammitJim | ty... I'm learning... I appreciate the help |
| 13:35.39 | jelly | since you chose to use testing, you already know you'll help filing bugs and fixing stuff if something fails to work |
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| 13:35.57 | DammitJim | of course... that's the plan :) |
| 13:36.03 | DammitJim | I definitely want to contribute |
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| 13:36.31 | DammitJim | so, from what I can see... a kernel upgrade doesn't require a reboot, does it? |
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| 13:37.09 | jelly | it does if you want to actually use that new kernel |
| 13:37.34 | jelly | there's no forcing you to do it immediately |
| 13:37.54 | DammitJim | man, I wonder if this was user error or an actual bug |
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| 13:38.38 | DammitJim | I didn't reboot the system when I installed the nvidia stuff and when I rebooted, it got stuck... nevermind.. no reason to talk about it since I have no pastebin for it |
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| 13:41.45 | swilson06 | ot, but anyone remember when they stopped making computers that don't boot usb? i'm looking at one that doesn't..... |
| 13:42.50 | DammitJim | swilson06, which one is it? |
| 13:43.40 | bionix-it | babilen: now, works... crazy |
| 13:43.48 | bionix-it | babilen: thanks for your help |
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| 13:44.48 | swilson06 | a dell |
| 13:45.49 | nevyn | swilson06: umm 4 years ago or so? |
| 13:45.54 | nevyn | maybe less |
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| 13:46.55 | DammitJim | dell what? |
| 13:47.09 | swilson06 | huh, that recent? shoot, i'm loosing my memory or something... wishful thinking maybe too |
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| 13:47.10 | DammitJim | I have a new precision laptop that boots from usb |
| 13:47.23 | oz123 | well one more question for the gurus |
| 13:47.25 | DammitJim | oh, that don't boot |
| 13:47.27 | DammitJim | I'm sorry |
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| 13:47.43 | titanio | hello... i just installed ircd-hybrid-7.2.2.dfsg.2-6 in Debian Squeeze with "apt-get install ircd-hybrid"... it works fine, but in addition to listen in tcp port 6667 it also listens in udp port [Act: 1,2] |
| 13:47.47 | titanio | [#debian] tcp port 6667 it also listens in udp port |
| 13:47.49 | titanio | sorry |
| 13:48.07 | oz123 | i want to translate export PS1='\e[3;34;47m\e[1;34;47m\u\e[1;34;47m@\h\e[1;34;47m\w$\e[0;0m' to the right PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne |
| 13:48.07 | swilson06 | ah, some desktop, i could go to support.dell.com and punch in the serial i guess.... just a general thing - mainly pissed me off. |
| 13:48.17 | oz123 | can someone help with that ? |
| 13:48.23 | titanio | hello... i just installed ircd-hybrid-7.2.2.dfsg.2-6 in Debian Squeeze with "apt-get install ircd-hybrid"... it works fine, but in addition to listen in tcp port 6667 it also listens in udp port 48987, is this normal? |
| 13:48.28 | DammitJim | swilson06, are you pissed off 'cause now you have to install from cd? LOL |
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| 13:48.52 | titanio | i searched in google and ircd docs and found nothing on that udp port |
| 13:48.55 | ActionParsnip | titanio: if its just installed then I'd assume so |
| 13:49.19 | swilson06 | no, cause now i have to rip the hdd out, put it on a reader in order to run ms-sys on it and redo the mbr - i don't burn cds |
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| 13:49.33 | titanio | ActionParsnip: thanks |
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| 13:50.24 | ActionParsnip | titanio: you could block the port with a firewall and see if it still works |
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| 13:50.57 | titanio | ActionParsnip: good idea, i'll do that, thanks again, and have a nice day you all |
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| 14:00.30 | laurus | For a 64-bit Atom chip, which is recommended: i386 or amd_64? My primary concern is battery life. |
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| 14:02.12 | ddan | laurus, i dont think that battery is related to 32/64 bit |
| 14:02.28 | laurus | ddan, really, okay. |
| 14:02.40 | laurus | I wasn't sure. |
| 14:02.41 | laurus | :) |
| 14:02.55 | ddan | dumbs are always sure |
| 14:03.25 | laurus | dumbs? |
| 14:04.00 | ddan | laurus, lol i mean stupid people :) |
| 14:04.09 | laurus | Ah okay :) |
| 14:04.21 | ddan | whats the plural of dumb? i totally forgot it |
| 14:04.30 | laurus | There isn't one, to my knowledge |
| 14:04.41 | laurus | ddan, by the way, does Debian support WiMax? |
| 14:04.51 | ddan | the kernel does |
| 14:05.16 | laurus | I found that the wireless card on this computer I'm thinking of buying is supported by Debian... |
| 14:05.27 | laurus | ...but I wasn't sure if normal "wireless" and WiMAX are the same. |
| 14:05.33 | laurus | E.g.: http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=274 |
| 14:05.41 | ddan | you may want to google the chipset of the card that you want to buy |
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| 14:05.49 | laurus | ddan, I found that the chipset is supported by Debian |
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| 14:05.59 | ddan | no problems then |
| 14:06.03 | kaltorak | hello |
| 14:06.05 | laurus | But would WiMAX networks work then? |
| 14:06.12 | laurus | Not that I have access to any at the moment... :) |
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| 14:06.25 | Bushmills | actually, it should make some difference - though i can't judge how big it is. 64 bit programs are larger than 32 bit programs. for the same number of instructions, more RAM addresses need to be selected, and read from, which results in an increase of power. |
| 14:06.31 | ddan | laurus, if its supported it should work without any problem |
| 14:06.38 | laurus | ddan, thanks! Good to know. |
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| 14:06.40 | pllopis | is there a dedicated channel for apt? |
| 14:06.43 | laurus | Bushmills, that's what I was kind of thinking... |
| 14:06.53 | kaltorak | someone know about a book (or guide) of networking programming using C, I can't remember that book names, Bjnet or something like that... |
| 14:07.00 | Bushmills | considering that RAM, next to video, CPU, and hard disk, is one of the power drains in computers, the effect may be noticeable |
| 14:07.34 | laurus | Bushmills, I see. So you'd probably recommend 32-bit then? |
| 14:07.36 | pllopis | I would like to know if there is an apt implementation that will start installing packets as soon as they are downloaded (parallel) |
| 14:07.46 | pllopis | maybe this isn't possible for some reason, i'm just curious |
| 14:08.14 | Bushmills | laurus: as long as you don't have a reason to use 64 bit, i'd use 32 bit. actually, i do. |
| 14:08.43 | laurus | Bushmills, hm okay. Basically I'm thinking of getting a netbook that I would use for very long periods of time with no recharging. |
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| 14:08.59 | pllopis | currently apt 1. downloads 2. installs, but it doesn't do both things in parallel |
| 14:09.07 | Bushmills | laurus: outside use? |
| 14:09.08 | laurus | So I'd want to do everything possible to maximize the battery life. The only thing I can think of that would be processor intensive would be watching videos sometimes. |
| 14:09.09 | ddan | pllopis, actually theres apt-fast, to download faster using axel, but the install part is the same of apt-get |
| 14:09.11 | laurus | Bushmills, yeah. |
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| 14:09.38 | Bushmills | i was just looking at http://www.dealextreme.com/p/12000mah-portable-solar-power-battery-pack-with-laptop-cellphone-adapters-54359 |
| 14:09.54 | Bushmills | sort of a range extender :) |
| 14:10.08 | laurus | Bushmills, haha, I was thinking of this kind of thing about a month ago ;) |
| 14:10.16 | pllopis | ddan yep but its "only" for parallel downloads. If the download already maximizes your BW it doesn't achieve much :/ |
| 14:10.20 | pllopis | download and install sound like nice parallelizable tasks to me :) |
| 14:10.25 | laurus | But I figured it was risky so I'd go with one of these long battery life netbooks. |
| 14:10.37 | pllopis | ddan thanks for the tip :) |
| 14:11.05 | kaltorak | Can someone remember the name of that book (or guide) about programming for network using C?, the name was something like Bjnet, I can't remember |
| 14:11.14 | laurus | Bushmills, what are the advantages of 64-bit? |
| 14:11.36 | ddan | kaltorak, http://beej.us/guide/bgnet/ ? |
| 14:12.16 | ActionParsnip | laurus: are you going to be using Ubuntu or Debian? |
| 14:12.24 | Bushmills | laurus: well, netbook, depending on model, dissipate about 10 Watts. the panel of that extender is around 5 Watt type, fully illuminated. 3 extra cells a around 10 Wh should charge in 6..8 hours in sunshine, allowing to run the netbook an additional ... 3 hours, or so- |
| 14:12.28 | ethanol | laurus: he is wrong. as long as you can run 64bit, do so. |
| 14:12.31 | laurus | ActionParsnip, probably Debian, but there's a chance I'd have to go with Ubuntu |
| 14:12.46 | ActionParsnip | laurus: I see, just wondered why you are asking in both channels |
| 14:12.47 | kaltorak | ddan, that's exactly, Thank you, I really appreciate your help |
| 14:13.08 | ActionParsnip | laurus: I suggest you research what 64bit actually is and means |
| 14:13.09 | Bushmills | so you can extend your time - during say and sunshine - by about 1 hours for each 2 hours |
| 14:13.13 | Bushmills | day |
| 14:13.28 | laurus | ActionParsnip, oh, because no one responded here very quickly, and the last few times I've been here no one responded to me, so I thought the channel might have died. |
| 14:13.51 | laurus | Bushmills, cool :) I'll keep it in mind |
| 14:13.52 | laurus | ethanol, ok |
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| 14:15.07 | djook | hye evrybody |
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| 14:15.19 | Bushmills | actually, there seem to be more than 3 cells in it |
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| 14:15.28 | djook | I am lokking for the place to deactivate the -r option when doing ifdown |
| 14:15.33 | djook | looking |
| 14:15.42 | djook | in dhcp configuration |
| 14:16.10 | djook | each time the machine reboots, it releases the address via this option dhclient -r |
| 14:16.31 | djook | and I would like to disable this release option but I cant find it in the /etcf directory |
| 14:16.37 | djook | etc directory |
| 14:16.47 | ddan | djook, did you try in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 14:17.05 | djook | nothing at all there |
| 14:17.18 | djook | and not configured in the dhclient.conf |
| 14:17.36 | djook | I wonder if it is hardcoded in ifdown command .... would be weird but |
| 14:17.55 | laurus | Bushmills, cool I might get that eventually. |
| 14:18.26 | djook | I just did an vi /sbin/ifdown and foudn this "dhclient3 -r -pf /var/run/dhclient.%iface%.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.%iface%.leases %iface%" |
| 14:18.37 | Bushmills | dimensions seem such that this device should fit nicely along many netbooks |
| 14:18.39 | djook | that's hardcoded |
| 14:18.48 | laurus | Bushmills, do you use a netbook? |
| 14:18.51 | Bushmills | yes |
| 14:18.53 | djook | would have to patch the source for that ? |
| 14:18.56 | djook | waht a pity |
| 14:18.58 | djook | what |
| 14:18.58 | laurus | How's the battery life? :) |
| 14:19.06 | laurus | Maybe I should PM you as it's a bit off topic |
| 14:19.13 | Bushmills | could be better, if it was better supported |
| 14:19.18 | nevyn | djook: on ifdown purge the lease? |
| 14:19.24 | djook | yep |
| 14:19.41 | djook | just edited the binary abnd found the -r string |
| 14:22.04 | djook | ok thx anyway |
| 14:22.06 | djook | bye |
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| 14:37.40 | Dewi | postfix keeps complaining that /etc/mailname has 2 hard links |
| 14:37.52 | Dewi | how do I figure out what the other link is? |
| 14:38.04 | Dewi | find / ? |
| 14:38.08 | jelly | yes |
| 14:38.18 | Dewi | that's gonna take a while :/ |
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| 14:38.33 | jelly | not really, unless your / is huge |
| 14:38.36 | jelly | -xdev helps |
| 14:38.36 | Dewi | how do you stop 'find' getting gummed up in /proc and /sys and stuff? |
| 14:38.44 | Dewi | hmm yeah |
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| 14:39.06 | Bushmills | "stay on one file system" |
| 14:39.07 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:39.08 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:39.15 | Bushmills | hard links can only be on same fs anyway |
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| 14:39.37 | jelly | Dewi: or just get rid of /etc/mailname in main.cf |
| 14:39.57 | Dewi | oh, I'm stupid |
| 14:40.16 | Dewi | I made a hard link clone of my /etc |
| 14:40.21 | Dewi | for reasons I don't remember |
| 14:40.43 | jelly | not very good as a backup |
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| 14:41.03 | Dewi | jelly: yeah... I must have had something specific in mind |
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| 14:41.14 | Dewi | jelly: it was all of 3 weeks ago, so obviously the ancient past |
| 14:41.33 | Dewi | senility is normal at 29 right? |
| 14:41.51 | MeglaW | cant remember |
| 14:41.57 | winn | morning :) I am working on a debian box and am trying to figure out which package is responsible for installing a file, in gentoo it is equery belongs filename. Is there a simalar command for apt? |
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| 14:42.54 | Bushmills | winn: dpkg -S |
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| 14:43.30 | justin_ | or dlocate, which is a lot faster if you plan on doing that much |
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| 14:44.02 | Bushmills | and there is apt-file |
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| 14:44.37 | Bushmills | though dpkg -S doesn't need any preparation, like creating the package database |
| 14:44.51 | nevyn | but it is slowish |
| 14:44.52 | winn | Bushmills, Thank you very much |
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| 14:48.12 | wolfric | I seem to remember a debian gui program to manager/view keys. Anyone remember what it might have been? Could create personal gpg keys or import others. Including ssh ones |
| 14:48.39 | wolfric | oh my bad it's called passwords and encryption keys under administration sorry |
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| 15:08.11 | wolfric | I think the recent kernel upgrade just broke virtualbox |
| 15:08.13 | wolfric | to testing |
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| 15:11.11 | jelly | if it's the packages virtualbox-ose, file a bug report |
| 15:11.16 | jelly | packaged* |
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| 15:14.12 | wolfric | jelly: i am, as soon as i verify why it's broken. |
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| 15:15.24 | wolfric | http://img687.imageshack.us/i/screenshotvirtualboxerr.png/ |
| 15:15.28 | themill | wolfric: squeeze's virtualbox-ose-dkms is known to be incompatible with the debian 2.6.38 kernel, but the version of virtualbox-ose-dkms in wheezy should be fine. |
| 15:15.49 | themill | wolfric: did you do what it told you? |
| 15:16.45 | wolfric | said it wasn't found. i'm doing a find / for it |
| 15:17.01 | wolfric | i'm running 2.6.38-2-686 |
| 15:17.33 | themill | "it" said "it" wasn't found... |
| 15:18.01 | wolfric | FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found. |
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| 15:18.21 | wolfric | it1=modprobe it2=vboxdrv |
| 15:19.06 | jelly | wolfric: have you installed the new linux-headers-$(uname -r) and let virtualbox-ose-dkms do its thing? |
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| 15:19.14 | jelly | ,versions virtualbox-ose-dkms |
| 15:19.15 | judd | Package virtualbox-ose-dkms on i386 -- lenny-backports: 3.2.4-dfsg-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.2.10-dfsg-1; sid: 4.0.4-dfsg-1; wheezy: 4.0.4-dfsg-1 |
| 15:19.18 | wolfric | virtualbox-ose-dkms 4.0.4-dfsg-1 |
| 15:19.22 | wolfric | mine |
| 15:19.32 | themill | wolfric: you need to have the kernel headers installed too |
| 15:19.35 | rly | Is there a "Debian for people that really do not have a clue about computing"-book? |
| 15:19.37 | wolfric | so should work |
| 15:19.58 | rly | E.g. for relatively old (50+) people. |
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| 15:20.23 | wolfric | rly: what sort of things are required? |
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| 15:21.05 | rly | wolfric: basic open office, understanding mounting a volume, what is a directory, what is a file, basic command line arguments, no administration skills, no compilation of software. |
| 15:21.13 | wolfric | themill: aren't they required for me to run the kernel? |
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| 15:21.23 | wolfric | themill: so installed be default along with the newest linux version |
| 15:21.40 | rly | wolfric: some problem solving skills would be nice too. |
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| 15:21.56 | rly | wolfric: building confidence that the user 'can do anything'. |
| 15:22.23 | jelly | wolfric: kernel headers are needed only for building kernel related functionality, like vbox |
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| 15:22.28 | themill | wolfric: no, the kernel headers are required for compiling out-of-tree modules like the vbox ones. |
| 15:22.29 | wolfric | rly: not to imply anything about debian or ubuntu, but include ubuntu in that scope of book hunting.. |
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| 15:22.41 | wolfric | themill: but i'm not compiling it from source... |
| 15:22.58 | rly | wolfric: I do not really care for which Linux it is, although it is running Debian currently. |
| 15:23.11 | jhutchins_lt | There's "Running Linux", but I know at least the early versions were very Red Hat oriented. |
| 15:23.16 | themill | wolfric: yes you are |
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| 15:23.59 | rly | Usability could also be improved in lots of ways, though. |
| 15:24.00 | wolfric | themill: am i? lol oh ok. is apt-get getting the source then not binaries? |
| 15:24.13 | rly | E.g. adding a font to LibreOffice is more difficult than needed. |
| 15:24.28 | CrunchyChewie | Anyone using pigz for backup compression |
| 15:24.30 | rly | If one could simply drag and drop a font on the application, it should just work, IMHO. |
| 15:24.39 | themill | wolfric: "apt-cache show virtualbox-ose-dkms" might be enightening. You might want to install the "linux-headers-2.6-686" (or -amd64 etc) to help install the newer headers for you. |
| 15:24.50 | wolfric | http://www.amazon.com/Ubuntu-Linux-Dummies-Paul-Sery/dp/0470125055 - i've no idea what the book is like |
| 15:25.11 | jelly | themill: it's funny how there's no linux-headers-amd64 to match linux-image-amd64 |
| 15:25.13 | themill | rly: you want to go to http://bugs.openoffice.org and suggest that then |
| 15:25.22 | rly | themill: yes, it was just an example. |
| 15:25.22 | themill | jelly: yeah, I noticed that too |
| 15:25.24 | wolfric | themill: they're already installed |
| 15:25.33 | wolfric | themill: that is 2.6-686 headers |
| 15:25.34 | rly | themill: do you know of any books that are not aimed at computer professionals? |
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| 15:26.42 | Bryanstein | Can anyone tell me...can you reshape a raid 10 to a raid 5 with mdadm...I dont think so but I could be wrong |
| 15:26.52 | CrunchyChewie | Anyone using Pigz? |
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| 15:27.22 | wolfric | themill: ah... provides source. interesting... do many packages do that? I thought debian would have compiled binaries for every kernel version |
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| 15:28.00 | jhutchins_lt | Bryanstein: Of course you can. Whether you can preserve the data is another question. You should always back up before messing with partitioning anyway. |
| 15:28.07 | wolfric | i'll probably just dorp down a kernel version just to make sure brb |
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| 15:28.18 | Bryanstein | jhutchins, I didn |
| 15:28.38 | Bryanstein | I didnt see anything in the man about it and online others were saying it was not supported |
| 15:29.27 | jargon- | does anyone know how to paste content from a pastebin site into a local textfile? |
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| 15:31.12 | tvm | copy it into clipboard, open text editor, click, save. |
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| 15:32.14 | jargon- | tvm no gui on the target system |
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| 15:32.38 | rly | jargon-: links2 |
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| 15:33.01 | jhutchins_lt | jargon-: gpm |
| 15:33.03 | rly | jargon-: also, use another machine which does have a GUI? |
| 15:33.33 | stevieman | I'm rying to change my nic speed and duplex it's currently 10Mbps and Half Duplex. I've been trying to get ethtools to change it but I cant get it to go. |
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| 15:33.36 | jhutchins_lt | jargon-: You can also get the text with wget then manipulate it with an editor. |
| 15:33.36 | rly | links2 + gpm (to have copy paste with mouse) |
| 15:33.50 | dawud | jargon-: or curl |
| 15:33.55 | tvm | jargon-: save the site as text with lynx, or wget or curl. |
| 15:33.57 | oz123 | i have a silly question |
| 15:33.58 | tvm | then edit. |
| 15:34.02 | worm | hello, I have a 30GB MySql database on a dedicated server and I would like to format it. What is the fastest way to do it ? My host provides a backup FTP server which allows great speed rates so I think about a simple mysqldump but I know it takes ages to import.... |
| 15:34.07 | oz123 | how do I set up the leave message |
| 15:34.09 | oz123 | ? |
| 15:34.15 | jhutchins_lt | stevieman: Possibly the device it's connected to doesn't support full duplex. |
| 15:34.20 | dawud | oz123: in the shell? |
| 15:34.27 | oz123 | with xchat |
| 15:34.36 | jhutchins_lt | oz123: We would prefer you didn't. |
| 15:34.36 | Bryanstein | worm, 300GB? |
| 15:34.38 | ActionParsnip | oz123: i think you type it like: /exit see you guys or similar |
| 15:34.43 | Bryanstein | oops 30 ? |
| 15:34.50 | ActionParsnip | oz123: it's really worthless though |
| 15:34.56 | oz123 | jhutchins_lt, why ? |
| 15:35.05 | worm | Bryanstein: several DBs included in this figure |
| 15:35.10 | jhutchins_lt | oz123: Clutters up the channel. |
| 15:35.22 | stevieman | jhutchins_lt: I get this error: "ethtool: bad command line argument(s)" when I try this command: "sudo ethtool -s speed 100" |
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| 15:35.47 | oz123 | jhutchins_lt, I will test it on a private channel, but so far, I have not seen it working |
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| 15:36.03 | oz123 | jhutchins_lt, I opened anothe channel for that |
| 15:36.22 | ActionParsnip | stevieman: try: sudo ethtool -s eth0 speed 100 |
| 15:36.43 | ActionParsnip | stevieman: try reading the manpages for correct syntax |
| 15:37.07 | jhutchins_lt | stevieman: Check the manpage - your syntax is incorrect, you need to specify the interface. |
| 15:38.18 | Bryanstein | worm, looks like you know what you've gotta do or else if you could get a vm in the dc with enough space to hold the dump. Dump the tables with locks and make sure you have the binary log to replay the transactions that changed since you dump and downloaded it. If you can send it to a vm in the same dc you'd save yourself a lot of time waiting |
| 15:38.43 | stevieman | ActionParsnip: Thanks, I must have tried that before because I remember seeing this error when I run that command "Cannot set new settings: Invalid argument" |
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| 15:39.27 | stevieman | I get that error even if I try to set the speed to 10 (which it's currently set to) |
| 15:39.30 | wolfric | themill: just tried lower kernel and it worked. Now back in higher (not working) linux version. For some reason a message that appears on boot doesn't appear in the dmesg. It says something like virtualbox module none found. I'm uploading the picture off my phone now |
| 15:40.53 | ActionParsnip | stevieman: try: sudo ethtool -s eth2 speed 100 autoneg off |
| 15:41.02 | ActionParsnip | stevieman: change eth2 for eth0 |
| 15:41.06 | oz123 | so can someone tell me how to set up the leave/quit message ? |
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| 15:41.56 | stevieman | ActionParsnip: I don't need to ifdown eth0 first do I? |
| 15:42.12 | ActionParsnip | stevieman: worth a try both ways |
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| 15:42.31 | wolfric | themill: http://img534.imageshack.us/i/photommg.jpg/ |
| 15:42.41 | worm | Bryanstein: hmm okay i'll look forward to that ty |
| 15:43.06 | stevieman | ActionParsnip: Will this interrupt any current transfers? I'd hate to piss off my co-workers :) |
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| 15:43.27 | jhutchins_lt | oz123: try #xchat |
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| 15:44.01 | oz123 | ok thanks |
| 15:44.10 | oz123 | anyway i have to go , good by |
| 15:44.11 | oz123 | e |
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| 15:44.29 | themill | wolfric: perhaps you could "dpkg-reconfigure virtualbox-ose-dkms" and pastebin the results. |
| 15:44.40 | arnd__ | hi |
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| 15:45.05 | wolfric | themill: i've just removed and reinstalled the dkms package will soon find out if that worked. |
| 15:45.21 | naiv | Q: what is this soft I used to use to control my other-computer windows thgrouh lan and into a window ? something like vlc4 or v4c |
| 15:45.23 | wolfric | themill: i noticed theres quite a few packages related such as guest-dkms. any idea what the difference is? |
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| 15:45.52 | themill | wolfric: apt-cache show packagename |
| 15:45.53 | ws2k3 | hello guys yesterday i was here and karlpinc told be that its possible to open a tunnel to my machine with ssh -L ? so that i can access webmin on my server |
| 15:45.56 | ActionParsnip | stevieman: pulling the inteface down will affect it directly |
| 15:46.17 | ws2k3 | how does this work? |
| 15:46.25 | schoppenhauer | Hello. I do not know whether it is better to ask this under ##freebsd, but: Does debian/kfreebsd support lvm? My problem is that I would like to try debian/kfreebsd "on the metal" (outside a virtual machine), but I would prefer not to change my partition setup. I have a luks-encrypted lvm. Is there a hope of getting debian/kfreebsd run on that? |
| 15:48.01 | peterrooney | naiv: vnc - many varieties exist. |
| 15:48.08 | jelly | ,info iptables-persistent |
| 15:48.10 | judd | Package iptables-persistent (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: Simple package to set up iptables on boot. Version: 0.0.20100801; Size: 2.6k; Installed: 64k |
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| 15:48.55 | jelly | ^^ sounds suspiciously like ye olde iptables init script from woody-sarge or so |
| 15:48.57 | naiv | peterrooney, oh that's it, thanks ! |
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| 15:49.17 | squidly | yea its ok |
| 15:49.21 | squidly | oops |
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| 15:51.41 | wolfric | themill: reinstall it and modprobe and it worked. No idea what was wrong the first time cheers for the help |
| 15:51.45 | wolfric | reinstalled* |
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| 15:53.01 | wolfric | Any idea where that image error would have been stored? I would have thought it'd be in dmesg |
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| 15:55.06 | arnd__ | what controls the Distribution field genereated by dpkg-genchanges? does it extract it from the changelog or something else in the source tree or does it just put "unstable" unless i use something like -DDistribution=stable? |
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| 15:57.35 | arnd__ | ws2k3: ssh -L <local_port>:<remote_host_to_connect_to_from_ssh_machine>:<remote_port> <user>@<ssh_machine> |
| 15:58.37 | stevieman | ActionParsnip: So either moving to a different port or that command worked. |
| 15:59.14 | ActionParsnip | stevieman: sweet |
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| 15:59.27 | stevieman | ActionParsnip: Yes and thanks |
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| 16:01.43 | daemonkeeper | stevieman: ethtool |
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| 16:02.50 | superlinux | Hi. I use Debian Squeeze. It happens that I have an Atapi ZIP 100MB drive. Now, it works fine no troubles at all. However, I have one annoying thing which is the disk ejection button does not work unless I unmount first. |
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| 16:03.01 | stevieman | daemonkeeper: Are the supported link modes the link modes supported by the nic or by ethtool? |
| 16:03.24 | daemonkeeper | By your NIC |
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| 16:16.12 | wolfric | What would be responsible for the position of the right click menu? I have to say it's really annoying to have the mouse already over the first item when you right click which can sometimes lead to right clicking and hitting the first item |
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| 16:30.48 | rly | wolfric: probably that is hardcoded in the code which says 'build a menu'. |
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| 16:31.17 | rly | wolfric: assuming you are talking about Gnome, you could look at the GTK+ library, build a simple application and trace the code. |
| 16:31.26 | jhutchins_lt | wolfric: That would be your window manager. |
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| 16:32.58 | mikmu | Hey there, running squeeze, installed open-iscsi and can mount my iscsi target, but am now looking for the best practices way to do it during boot, from fstab or similar |
| 16:33.00 | jhutchins_lt | wolfric: kde4 doesn't seem to behave that way. |
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| 16:33.51 | rly | jhutchins_lt: Yes, I suppose that is also a 'window'. Still, you could probably also modify it in GTK+. |
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| 16:34.35 | wolfric | jhutchins_lt: just checking it wasn't gnome. so definitely gnomes window manager right? |
| 16:34.56 | jhutchins_lt | Yes, that would be for gnome. |
| 16:35.13 | jhutchins_lt | wolfric: Most likely that's a part of gnome itself. |
| 16:35.32 | rly | wolfric: what is the immediate goal you want to solve? |
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| 16:43.17 | mulenmar | I just installed Squeeze into a QEMU virtual machine, and I noticed that the popularity-contest package still installs, even though you tell the installer you don't want to send statistics. |
| 16:43.30 | mulenmar | I realize that it is disabled, so it won't send anything, but why install it at all? |
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| 16:45.16 | dutchfish | hi, i have a 0a:02.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: InProComm Inc. IPN 2220 802.11g [17fe:2220] card; i compiled ndiswrapper and with modprobe ndiswrapper i can see with iwconfig my card and ifconfig shows wlan0; after reboot ndiswrapper is not loaded; is there a Debian wiki howto make a comfortable setup when travelling within kde? |
| 16:45.43 | stevieman | Anyone have any experience with mt and tape drives? |
| 16:46.21 | stevieman | I am getting "/dev/sg6: Operation not permitted" when I try 'sudo mt -f /dev/sg6 status' |
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| 16:47.02 | penguinbait | I am trying to use a command line app that needs 32bit ncurses, I am running 64bit, in other distros I just install x.i386, is there a way to do this with debian? or do I need to isolate the lib somewhere and make a script to call it? |
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| 16:48.34 | mulenmar | penguinbait, is lib32ncurses5 what you're looking for? |
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| 16:48.53 | penguinbait | thanks |
| 16:50.23 | penguinbait | thats better, I am not sure how I got along without nmon before |
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| 16:56.51 | ampharos | Help, I ran upgrade-from-grub-legacy and now I'm getting GRUB error 15 |
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| 16:57.21 | ampharos | Specifcally, I bombed out by hitting esc when it asked what disk to install on (I don't know) and now it's not booting |
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| 16:57.28 | ampharos | I can floppyboot from Windows 98 though |
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| 17:00.49 | ampharos | And I have another PC with working burners |
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| 17:01.32 | XTF | I've got a host configured as a bridge. I'd like to rate limit a few other hosts, what's the best way to do this? |
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| 17:01.33 | jhutchins_lt | ampharos: So what do you have now? What release? Which grub? Can you boot from a live CD or rescue mode from the installer? |
| 17:01.47 | ampharos | I upgraded from lenny, decided to upgrade GRUb to 2 |
| 17:02.06 | ampharos | jhulst: Squeeze 6.0.1, dysfunctional GRUB2 in MBR |
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| 17:02.24 | ampharos | and no livecd or netinst of squeeze, only a lenny netinst |
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| 17:03.03 | ampharos | jhutchins_lt: No offers to cotinue to edit, just a dead stop at 15 |
| 17:03.11 | jhutchins_lt | ampharos: Not hard to fix. http://stringofthoughts.wordpress.com/2009/05/25/grub-error-15-debianubuntu/ |
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| 17:03.30 | ampharos | grub wasn't installed to any disk, will this change it? |
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| 17:03.41 | jhutchins_lt | ampharos: You will need some sort of rescue medium. lenny might work. |
| 17:03.59 | ampharos | I also have ubuntu 10.10 and fedora 13 |
| 17:04.11 | ampharos | I'd try Ubuntu perhaps, will it's grub work? |
| 17:04.20 | ampharos | even then, which disk do I install to? |
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| 17:04.40 | ampharos | I have a fat32 disk and an ext3 disk |
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| 17:05.24 | ampharos | So even if I can rescue, which disk? |
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| 17:07.53 | jhutchins_lt | ampharos: I relly don't understand what you want to do. Grub is unable to find boot files where the mbr portion of grub is currently pointing. To correct that, you need to install a good copy of grub to the mbr and have your menu.list point at the correct drive/partition. |
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| 17:08.13 | ampharos | Well what would be the correct one? |
| 17:08.25 | ampharos | I have two disks but don't know what one tp install top if it asks |
| 17:08.32 | jhutchins_lt | ampharos: I would recommend following a standard procedure for restoring grub from whichever distribution you prefer to use. |
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| 17:09.00 | ampharos | I'd say I be comfortable with tinycore myself |
| 17:09.05 | jhutchins_lt | ampharos: The boot disk is by default the first disk detected (or specified by the BIOS). |
| 17:09.38 | jhutchins_lt | ampharos: Grub is installed though, how else would you get error 15? |
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| 17:10.06 | ampharos | It is, but the upgrader wanted me to picka disk, didn't know, hit esc, grub decided to install anyways |
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| 17:11.05 | ipatrol | I can't install nfs-common, the configure script returns an error code of 10 |
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| 17:11.58 | ipatrol | i'm trying a system update, but IDK what would even cause such a failure |
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| 17:12.38 | Black_Prince | ipatrol: try running apt-get -f install |
| 17:12.42 | ipatrol | glad to know someone's listening ;-) |
| 17:12.49 | foetus | hello |
| 17:12.56 | Black_Prince | ipatrol: and give us more info, like what debian version |
| 17:13.03 | Seb | bets on unstable |
| 17:13.04 | ipatrol | Black_Prince: I did apt-get -f upgrade |
| 17:13.24 | ipatrol | ***Seb: I have a mix of versions |
| 17:13.35 | Seb | among which unstable, am I right ? |
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| 17:14.01 | ipatrol | I started with a Knoppix CD and converted to a vanilla Debian install with GNOME |
| 17:14.02 | Black_Prince | seb: I don't have money for bets :O |
| 17:14.14 | Seb | Black_Prince: you don't wanna bet agaisnt me on those anyway ;) |
| 17:14.21 | ipatrol | Seb: I think apt preferrs stable by default |
| 17:14.27 | Black_Prince | Seb: yeah ... |
| 17:14.35 | Seb | ipatrol: right; so, have you checked the BTS for bugs against nfs-common ? |
| 17:14.43 | Black_Prince | ipatrol can you post contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:14.47 | ipatrol | Nothing recent |
| 17:15.04 | jhutchins_lt | ipatrol: We really can't support mixed systems very well, too many variables. |
| 17:15.07 | Seb | "started from knoppix" pretty much voids any debian warranty |
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| 17:15.18 | jhutchins_lt | ipatrol: If you'd care to do a clean install of stable we might be able to help then. |
| 17:15.18 | ipatrol | The hell? Other packages are returning errors |
| 17:15.32 | Seb | frankenbox, rise up ! |
| 17:15.34 | ipatrol | Seb: Warranty? What warranty? |
| 17:15.45 | Seb | ipatrol: the warranty we provide in here by helping people out |
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| 17:16.10 | mulenmar | Warranty is really the wrong word in this case. X~D |
| 17:16.13 | twobitsprite | ampharos: I suspect you can just boot any old linux cd, mount your root partition on the hdd, chroot in to it, and run the grub-installer |
| 17:16.18 | ipatrol | I removed all the knoppix autoconfiguration scripts and I essentially gutted the system twice |
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| 17:16.40 | Seb | mulenmar: english definitely ain't my 1st language :) |
| 17:16.45 | ipatrol | I had a screw up where my dpkg cache was destroyed |
| 17:16.56 | ampharos | I've got the disk m,ounted, I'll chroot and see |
| 17:16.59 | ampharos | but what disk man? |
| 17:17.15 | ampharos | seriously, what disk? do I install on the fat32 disk or my ext disk? |
| 17:17.35 | Black_Prince | ampharos fdisk -l and tell us what disks do you see |
| 17:17.57 | ipatrol | how can I do a complete reinstal of all packages? |
| 17:18.01 | Black_Prince | ampharos linux (debian) should be installed on ext3 file system ... |
| 17:18.14 | abrotman | !reinstall |
| 17:18.14 | dpkg | somebody said reinstall was aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>. |
| 17:18.28 | Black_Prince | ipatrol easiest solution wil be to reinstall the whole system |
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| 17:18.40 | ampharos | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.44 | ipatrol | I did a hell of a lot of work to get the selection of packages I need, I don't want to screw that up |
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| 17:19.13 | Black_Prince | then you need to chroot into /dev/hda2 |
| 17:19.29 | Black_Prince | or just mount it and install grub ... |
| 17:19.37 | Seb | ipatrol: dpkg --get-selections > /tmp/packages.txt |
| 17:19.46 | ampharos | I've chrooted, how do install grub? |
| 17:19.58 | Black_Prince | ampharos, exit chroot |
| 17:20.02 | Seb | ipatrol: save that to a usbkey, then reinstall squeeze from scratch and then dpkg --set-selections < pacakges.txt |
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| 17:20.38 | ipatrol | can aptitude do that process? |
| 17:20.41 | ampharos | I've done a chroot /mnt/hda2, now I'm supposed to exit when I didn't do anything? |
| 17:20.53 | ipatrol | also, I have personal and development files I'd like to keep |
| 17:21.02 | ampharos | if it helps, I can gett eh grub config files |
| 17:21.08 | Black_Prince | ampharos I suppose you did not mount /dev filesystem |
| 17:21.24 | abrotman | ipatrol: yes .. aptitude reinstall '~i' or something like that |
| 17:21.29 | Seb | ipatrol: maybe back up /etc, in case you wanna be able to retrieve some config files later on; but do not just overlay your old /etc over the new squeeze one |
| 17:21.44 | ampharos | I mounted the fs |
| 17:21.44 | Seb | abrotman: you missed the part where he converted a knoppix install to debian :) |
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| 17:21.59 | ampharos | mount -t ext3 /dev/hda2 /mnt/hda2 |
| 17:22.00 | abrotman | not possible |
| 17:22.26 | Black_Prince | ampharos do as I said ... Exit chroot |
| 17:22.29 | Seb | abrotman: well you can "convert", but the end result certainly isn't debian ;) |
| 17:22.33 | mulenmar | Uh, couldn't you just install GRUB to /dev/hda and then chainload whatever OS is on the fat32, if any? |
| 17:22.35 | abrotman | right .. |
| 17:22.46 | ampharos | I've reentered the live system |
| 17:22.49 | mulenmar | Or am I missing something? |
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| 17:23.12 | ipatrol | !reinstall |
| 17:23.12 | dpkg | reinstall is, like, aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>. |
| 17:23.22 | Black_Prince | ampharos, from that terminal you try to run 'grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/hda3 /dev/hda' |
| 17:23.38 | ampharos | sure it was hda3? |
| 17:23.45 | ShideR | hello |
| 17:23.57 | ampharos | My debian system is on hda2 and hda3 is some weird thing |
| 17:24.05 | Black_Prince | doh, change /mnt/hda3 to whatever directory you mounted your root filesystem at |
| 17:24.34 | schofld | has anyone got a crawler running on their server ?? |
| 17:24.45 | ipatrol | there ought to be a graphical fstab editor |
| 17:24.49 | schofld | hi ShideR |
| 17:24.54 | ShideR | hi schofld |
| 17:25.15 | ipatrol | this was the last line of aptitude's output: Internal error: couldn't generate list of packages to download |
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| 17:27.05 | ampharos | ok then, it's typed, but not hitting enter |
| 17:27.14 | ampharos | does it damage my root fs? |
| 17:27.23 | Black_Prince | No, it does not |
| 17:27.28 | ampharos | k yhn |
| 17:27.38 | Black_Prince | Don't worry, it won't set your hd on fire or something |
| 17:27.53 | ampharos | OK then, excuted error free |
| 17:27.59 | ampharos | do I do OS probing, or just reboot now? |
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| 17:28.09 | Black_Prince | don't reboot |
| 17:28.12 | schofld | (note this is unrelated to debian) the strangest thing hapend today. Some clientside javascript developed a bug. Though it has been running for 3weeks without any bugs in the code. Has this happened to anyone else. how the hell does it happen ?? |
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| 17:28.23 | ampharos | I also have my old grub 1 config backed up |
| 17:28.28 | Black_Prince | you need grub menu.lst |
| 17:28.34 | ampharos | I'll check |
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| 17:29.17 | ampharos | just look in (root)/boot/grub/menu.lst or grub.cfg? |
| 17:29.37 | ipatrol | got to go, will try the dpkg/apt thing |
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| 17:29.54 | Black_Prince | ampharos, what does grub-install -v say? |
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| 17:30.33 | ampharos | I see my menu.lst from grub 1 there |
| 17:30.41 | ampharos | opened it with vi works |
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| 17:31.12 | ampharos | Black_Prince: 1.98 |
| 17:31.30 | ampharos | debian also generated a grub.cfg for 1.98 I think |
| 17:31.33 | Black_Prince | run grub-mkconfig -o /mountpoint/boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 17:31.56 | ampharos | it will do the conversion? |
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| 17:32.12 | Black_Prince | it will generate grub2 config file |
| 17:32.27 | regenbogenfuesse | hi. Is there a way to $ cp from for example HDD to USB or visa versa with slower dataflow ? as in like burning a CD-ROM with 4x speed instead of 48x |
| 17:33.34 | woonix | regenbogenfuesse: why would you want to? |
| 17:34.00 | ampharos | cannot find device for / (is /dev mounted?) |
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| 17:34.50 | Black_Prince | Doh |
| 17:35.08 | ampharos | I'm, looking, debian already made a cfg file with the boot options |
| 17:35.18 | regenbogenfuesse | woonix, i have USB 1.0 and a USB 2 Stick... i have some Data there i wish to put on CD... when ever i copy the files to HDD to then burn, half of file is missing on CD-ROM |
| 17:35.19 | ampharos | It has the [proper kernels to boot |
| 17:35.51 | ampharos | regenbogenfuesse: cds only handle about 600 MB data, do you have enough space? |
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| 17:36.10 | regenbogenfuesse | ampharos, oh yes :-) |
| 17:36.12 | Black_Prince | try rebooting now then |
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| 17:36.16 | ampharos | k then |
| 17:36.20 | Black_Prince | if it doesn't work, we'll try something else |
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| 17:37.07 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
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| 17:37.23 | regenbogenfuesse | ampharos, say i have a file 200MB large, i pull off stick to HDD and then burn the, it sometimes happends that its still not all there yet |
| 17:37.33 | rutski | is there any reason that debian 6.0 would be running squid3 without me knowing? |
| 17:37.46 | rutski | I'm noticing that squid is running, and taking up some CPU |
| 17:37.52 | rutski | but I don't recall installing it |
| 17:38.00 | rutski | it started running on the day I upgraded to 6.0 |
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| 17:38.13 | rutski | though actually it might have been running before that even without my knowing |
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| 17:38.23 | Seb | rutski: an upgrade wouldn't have installed it |
| 17:38.34 | ampharos | Black_Prince: It now goes to a flicker black screen |
| 17:38.35 | rutski | I was just worried that maybe my server had gotten hacked, and someone put up a web proxy |
| 17:38.37 | Seb | rutski: so you must have installed it at some point; grep squid ~/.zsh_history ? :) |
| 17:38.38 | rutski | or is this normal? |
| 17:38.41 | rutski | Seb: hmmm |
| 17:38.43 | ampharos | Should I adjust the config file? |
| 17:38.50 | regenbogenfuesse | rutski, i don't have it, and never have had |
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| 17:39.05 | rutski | Seb: no, I know this machine; been using it for years as my homebase server, I didn't install squid (not on purpose anyway) |
| 17:39.05 | Black_Prince | ampharos, does it show grub prompt? |
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| 17:39.19 | Seb | rutski: then you getting owned is indeed the most likely explanation |
| 17:39.20 | ampharos | nope |
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| 17:39.31 | ampharos | I saw some messages say file not found but then went to a flcikering baclk screen |
| 17:39.38 | ampharos | it did say welcome to grub though |
| 17:39.39 | Black_Prince | ah |
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| 17:39.52 | ampharos | then the black screen of death |
| 17:40.09 | Seb | rutski: how about grep squid /var/log/dpkg.log ? |
| 17:40.28 | Black_Prince | ampharos, boot up again rescue disk |
| 17:40.34 | ampharos | OK then |
| 17:40.37 | Black_Prince | and start recovery terminal |
| 17:40.53 | ampharos | let me start it up |
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| 17:41.21 | Black_Prince | then mount your root hard disk to /mountpoint and run these commands http://pastebin.com/6zMbzTm9 |
| 17:41.33 | schofld | hi alyu |
| 17:41.56 | ampharos | If it helps, I';m using Tiny Core 3.0 as my rescue disc |
| 17:42.21 | ampharos | shit that looks bad |
| 17:42.24 | ampharos | Really nuke grub? |
| 17:42.59 | Black_Prince | nuke and reinstall |
| 17:43.04 | Black_Prince | but within chroot |
| 17:43.31 | schofld | if i have followed this issue correctly |
| 17:44.10 | schofld | mount> copy data> reinstall .. is the way to go |
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| 17:44.29 | ampharos | Also, debian uses /dev/sdx insetad of tinycore's /dev/hdx, will this affect the install? |
| 17:44.43 | ampharos | ...I should recreate a backup the the grub dir first, right? |
| 17:45.14 | schofld | what is the deal here what went wrong ? |
| 17:45.38 | schofld | ampharos |
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| 17:45.48 | Black_Prince | ampharos, you need to 'write' to device, which is pointed as /dev/hda ... Squeeze uses uuid's within grub. Also it wouldn't hurt to backup grub directory |
| 17:45.54 | ampharos | schofld: Debian botched a grub upgrade, needing to use a different sistro to fix it |
| 17:46.10 | ampharos | Black_Prince: use the --root-directory? |
| 17:46.16 | Black_Prince | no |
| 17:46.20 | Black_Prince | you are within chroot now |
| 17:46.21 | ampharos | why not again? |
| 17:46.26 | Black_Prince | root directory is / |
| 17:46.28 | Black_Prince | by default |
| 17:46.38 | Black_Prince | reminds himself not to use enter |
| 17:47.24 | schofld | just because i am interested. Which distro are you using and are you going to use |
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| 17:48.10 | rutski | Seb: interesting: http://codepad.org/iym8PMTN |
| 17:49.04 | rutski | Seb: yeah, that's definitely from the day I did my update |
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| 17:50.48 | ampharos | made a backup |
| 17:51.03 | docgnome | Anyone have any ideas why I can hear, through my headphones, static and other noise when i'm running an intensive process like boinc? It's super annoying |
| 17:51.35 | Seb | rutski: but *upgrade* squid3 means it was there before |
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| 17:52.06 | rutski | Seb: indeed |
| 17:52.21 | rutski | Seb: this is smelling too fishy to me, I think I'm going to reinstall the OS |
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| 17:52.25 | docgnome | it's like i can hear what the load average of my machine is -_- |
| 17:52.26 | Seb | rutski: btw dude, grep foo file1 file2 ... ;) |
| 17:52.29 | rutski | and then I should probably restrict SSH access to my home IP only |
| 17:52.32 | rutski | I don't use it from elsewhere anyway |
| 17:52.45 | Seb | rutski: if you're *positive* you didn't install it, and nobody else could have, then yeah |
| 17:52.48 | rutski | and my auth.log's are really flooded with break attempts |
| 17:53.00 | rutski | Seb: I really don't think I ever used a web proxy, nope |
| 17:53.00 | Seb | rutski: before you do that, though, look at the squid logs and see *who* is using the cache |
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| 17:53.14 | rutski | I tried to do some IP tunneling once about a year ago, but I don't think squid has anything to do with that |
| 17:53.23 | rutski | yeah, I tried; it's not much usage |
| 17:53.40 | Seb | rutski: not like squid has many reverse depends either (apt-cache showpkg squid3) |
| 17:54.14 | schofld | docgnome it is because you have a poor motherboard and sound card. When a ex CUP or GUP runs more intense processes it uses more current. Your headphones are suppoesd to be sensitive to electro magnetism |
| 17:54.23 | rutski | Seb: http://codepad.org/O1XOxz57 |
| 17:54.31 | rutski | Seb: yeah, could have guessed :-p |
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| 17:54.55 | docgnome | schofld: odd thing is i've only noticed it the past few days :-\ |
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| 17:54.59 | ampharos | OK then, I've chrooted |
| 17:55.11 | docgnome | it's on a laptop too, so nothing i can do about the soundcard/mobo |
| 17:55.14 | ampharos | I already deleted the grub directory from non-chroot |
| 17:56.04 | Seb | rutski: weird |
| 17:56.04 | ampharos | Black_Prince: Instrallation finished, finish up with updating grub? |
| 17:56.08 | Seb | rutski: i'd just reinstall anyway |
| 17:56.09 | Black_Prince | Yeah |
| 17:56.20 | Seb | rutski: but I reckon I'm on the paranoid side of things |
| 17:56.29 | schofld | could also be the PSU. This is very hard to test from just can just be unlucky that one of the manufatuers has not considered isolating the audio output from the rest |
| 17:56.48 | docgnome | aaaand amarok just crashed -_- |
| 17:56.53 | ampharos | It finished succesfully |
| 17:56.57 | ampharos | exit chroot and reboot? |
| 17:56.59 | rutski | Seb: yeah, ditto :) |
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| 17:57.19 | rutski | Seb: plus the machine is running kinda slow lately, maybe if I reinstall I'll get lucky and they'll put me on a fresher Xen instance |
| 17:57.26 | schofld | docgnome: you got it. That right you just have to accept that you are screwed |
| 17:57.33 | Black_Prince | yeah, try |
| 17:58.14 | rutski | Seb: my auth.log's don't have anything odd in them, but of course if I really got rooted then they would have erased that; heh |
| 17:58.34 | schofld | docgnome your are having no luck |
| 17:58.49 | ampharos | Black_Prince: works perfectly |
| 17:58.55 | schofld | try hypem.com or grooveshark instead |
| 17:59.02 | ampharos | All I need to do now is add my missing grub entries |
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| 17:59.14 | ampharos | Thanks! |
| 17:59.28 | Seb | rutski: yep |
| 17:59.33 | Black_Prince | ampharos welcome |
| 17:59.49 | ampharos | Spoke to soon, Isn;t booting |
| 17:59.57 | ampharos | Geub works, debian won;t |
| 18:00.03 | ampharos | I think I know why though |
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| 18:00.08 | Black_Prince | What error message? |
| 18:01.37 | ampharos | wrong disk |
| 18:01.43 | ampharos | I fixed it though, wrong disk name |
| 18:01.46 | p0s | hi. any developers of the 6.0.1 installer around? i wonder in which level the installation result is hardware dependent... i would like to do a perfect clean install for my fileserver, however the server is in use. it is x86_64 and i wonder whether a debian installation on a different machine which is also x86_64 though would cause incompatibilities? |
| 18:01.58 | ampharos | it was sda2 instead of hda2 which tinycore put in |
| 18:02.04 | ampharos | Even then, thanks! |
| 18:02.18 | ampharos | distro error, not your fault |
| 18:02.19 | Black_Prince | ampharos, excelent. Just remember to run 'update-grub' from squeeze |
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| 18:02.25 | ampharos | ok then |
| 18:02.42 | Rienzilla | p0s: it will probably work, with the exception of the mapping of nics to names |
| 18:02.53 | Black_Prince | p0s #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:03.33 | p0s | Black_Prince: oh..thanks... is this an official channel? |
| 18:03.51 | Black_Prince | p0s, yes it is |
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| 18:03.53 | p0s | Rienzilla: mmh yes i know about the nic-mapping, has caused me some trouble in the past |
| 18:05.20 | ampharos | Works perfect now, all I have to do is add grub entries for win98 which grub neglects |
| 18:05.47 | Black_Prince | :O |
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| 18:07.41 | Seb | ampharos: as it should |
| 18:07.43 | ampharos | If I get plop running though I can skip a step |
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| 18:08.57 | Jemt | Hi. I have set my computer to run in Danish. Is it possible to temporarily - for just one application - change locale to English ? |
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| 18:10.10 | Bombo | what package do i need to install to get the "git" command? |
| 18:10.40 | ampharos | git-core |
| 18:10.46 | Bombo | i have done apt-get install git but bash: git: command not found |
| 18:10.47 | Black_Prince | Jemt, run it via terminal with command LC_ALL=desiredlocale appname |
| 18:11.11 | Black_Prince | eg for totem and croatian language it would be LC_ALL=hr_HR.UTF-8 totem |
| 18:11.21 | Jemt | Black_Prince: Thank you :) |
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| 18:22.41 | Bop | E: I wasn't able to locate file for the cnijfilter-mp270series package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
| 18:22.54 | Bop | when aptitude reinstall '~i' i get this error |
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| 18:23.02 | Bop | how do i ignore that package ? |
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| 18:27.52 | twobitsprite | bombo: strange... |
| 18:28.07 | twobitsprite | Bombo: it gives that error when you run the apt-get command? |
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| 18:28.23 | twobitsprite | or is it after you run the apt-get and try running the git command? |
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| 18:28.45 | Amnesia | hm question here |
| 18:28.53 | twobitsprite | !ask |
| 18:28.54 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:28.54 | Amnesia | I;ve got a selection of packages |
| 18:29.02 | Amnesia | which I want to install with one metapacke or w/e |
| 18:29.07 | twobitsprite | !enter |
| 18:29.08 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 18:29.11 | twobitsprite | :P |
| 18:29.12 | Amnesia | dpkg -i install mplayer-deps or w/e |
| 18:29.12 | dpkg | package install mplayer-deps or w/e is already installed |
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| 18:29.27 | Amnesia | and make sure it doesnt turn up in the list of "deborphan -a" |
| 18:30.17 | Bop | twobitsprite, that was for me ? my nick is not Bombo |
| 18:30.21 | Amnesia | would that be possbile? |
| 18:30.23 | Amnesia | possible* |
| 18:30.23 | Bop | oh nvm |
| 18:30.33 | twobitsprite | Bop: no, it was for Bombo... his nick is Bombo |
| 18:30.37 | Bop | ok |
| 18:30.37 | twobitsprite | :) |
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| 18:31.59 | Amnesia | ? |
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| 18:32.45 | Amnesia | anyone? |
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| 18:33.15 | twobitsprite | !patience |
| 18:33.15 | dpkg | The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. |
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| 18:36.01 | Bop | no help with this error ? E: I wasn't able to locate file for the cnijfilter-mp270series package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
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| 18:37.38 | twobitsprite | Bop: is that package from a debian repo, or something you installed from somewhere else? |
| 18:37.49 | Bop | twobitsprite, something else |
| 18:38.22 | Bop | !reinstall |
| 18:38.22 | dpkg | i heard reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>. |
| 18:40.40 | twobitsprite | have you tried aptitude keep or hold? |
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| 18:43.15 | Bop | twobitsprite, aptitude hold package ? |
| 18:43.21 | twobitsprite | yep |
| 18:43.27 | Bop | yeah , no good |
| 18:44.13 | Bop | looks like this reinstall thing best work if user is only with repository packages |
| 18:44.46 | icebrain | anyone know how I can debug X keyboard mapping problems? It seems fine on xev |
| 18:45.15 | twobitsprite | Bop: what about aptitude keep package? |
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| 18:45.58 | Bop | twobitsprite, too late , i've uninstalled the package |
| 18:46.03 | twobitsprite | heh, ok |
| 18:46.06 | Bop | install it later |
| 18:46.11 | twobitsprite | guess it wasn't important :P |
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| 18:46.22 | Bop | it is the printer driver ,its important |
| 18:46.52 | Bop | i runnning reinstall then ill install it again |
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| 18:47.06 | twobitsprite | reinstall works best with working packages... they don't have to be repo packages |
| 18:47.23 | Bop | what's working packages ? |
| 18:47.35 | Bop | packages that are cached ? |
| 18:47.43 | twobitsprite | as in, packages which aren't broken |
| 18:47.58 | Bop | i dont have nothing broken |
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| 18:48.08 | twobitsprite | nm |
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| 18:48.26 | khaije|minder | hi all |
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| 18:49.14 | khaije|minder | how do i set the apt::default-release ? can this be set in the apt_preferences file? |
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| 19:12.19 | peterrooney | Amnesia: read the deborphan man page - particularly, /var/lib/deborphan/keep |
| 19:12.27 | eptalon | Bushmills: sucxh file systems don't support unexpected power fails well. |
| 19:12.42 | mulenmar | Bushmills: Every time I use XFS, I loose data. |
| 19:12.44 | Bushmills | eptalon: ok. but that wasn't the intended use |
| 19:12.49 | mulenmar | Without fail. |
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| 19:13.05 | mulenmar | Well, because of failure -- but I have failure every time. |
| 19:13.24 | Amnesia | peterrooney: it's empty |
| 19:13.41 | eptalon | mulenmar: I remember, a few years back there were problems with xfs data being changed/lost in certain cases. |
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| 19:14.20 | eptalon | Bushmills: what was? |
| 19:14.58 | Bushmills | mulenmar: try to mount tmpfs on apt archives cache |
| 19:15.03 | mulenmar | My last experience with XFS was about eight months ago. It still didn't hold up well against power failures. |
| 19:15.09 | themill | Amnesia: you make a package with an appropriate Depends line. For a tool to make this easy, /msg dpkg equivs |
| 19:15.11 | mulenmar | Hmm, interesting idea. |
| 19:15.53 | Amnesia | themill: will give it a try thx |
| 19:16.00 | eptalon | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.38-2-amd64_2.6.38-3_amd64.deb (--unpack): unable to make backup link of `./lib/modules/2.6.38-2-amd64/kernel/sound/core/oss/snd-pcm-oss.ko' before installing new version: No space left on device |
| 19:16.00 | dpkg | eptalon: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 19:16.58 | Black_Prince | err |
| 19:17.02 | Bushmills | "No space left on device" is a clear indication of a CPU error, isn't it? |
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| 19:17.35 | Rienzilla | lol |
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| 19:19.27 | eptalon | Bushmills: /var has 1.1G free space |
| 19:19.41 | ompaul | Bushmills: in the forth parallel universe on the right |
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| 19:20.49 | Wiward_X | re |
| 19:21.03 | peterrooney | Amnesia: of course it is; therein lies the answer to your question; also, how does "apt-get autoremove" not solve your original problem? |
| 19:21.03 | eptalon | Bushmills: you wanna tell me that 1.1G free (of a total of 4G) is not enough for upgrading a kernel? |
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| 19:21.38 | Amnesia | peterrooney: it's not a problem, but my idea is just cleaner |
| 19:21.43 | Amnesia | I'm a perfectionist:p |
| 19:22.04 | Bushmills | eptalon: /boot? |
| 19:22.12 | ompaul | eptalon: pastebin the full error and df -h please |
| 19:22.13 | twobitsprite | eptalon: are you sure it's looking in var? |
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| 19:22.22 | Bushmills | and it's not me which tries to tell you that - it is your system |
| 19:22.28 | twobitsprite | also, is this local disk storage? |
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| 19:23.06 | Bushmills | and what partition does /lib belong to? |
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| 19:23.36 | Bushmills | "...unable to make backup link of `./lib/modules/2.6.38" |
| 19:24.34 | eptalon | Bushmills: http://pastebin.com/KFcJG131 |
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| 19:26.14 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.45 | twobitsprite | yeah... /lib is on the / partition with only 88m |
| 19:26.49 | eptalon | Bushmills: so far, updates worked fine (the machine has kernels 2.6.32-37, working fibe |
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| 19:27.05 | twobitsprite | you probably just now ran out of space |
| 19:27.08 | bin_bash | hello |
| 19:27.08 | Bushmills | ok. then they're garanteed to work fine forever, and you have no problem |
| 19:27.25 | bin_bash | Does anyone know if there are debian drivers available for the sandybridge macbook pro 8,1? |
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| 19:27.49 | twobitsprite | that's like saying "but, I've been able to make huge files before without problem, they're all still there.. how can I possibly run out of space?" |
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| 19:29.23 | Amnesia | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=30271 <-:D |
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| 19:31.01 | bin_bash | Anyone? |
| 19:31.50 | eptalon | behold, deleting some unneded kernels fixed some problem. |
| 19:32.14 | twobitsprite | is shocked :P |
| 19:32.22 | babilen | bin_bash: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro |
| 19:33.03 | bin_bash | babilen: I already read that. Mine isn't listed. |
| 19:33.45 | babilen | bin_bash: You could try a live cd and check http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 19:34.02 | bin_bash | babilen: My concern is not whether it'll run |
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| 19:34.07 | bin_bash | It's whether the drivers exist |
| 19:34.08 | babilen | but? |
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| 19:34.17 | bin_bash | for the GPU and wireless specifically |
| 19:34.19 | Bushmills | really? deleting stuff provided some extra free space?? |
| 19:34.32 | eptalon | Bushmills: miracle, isn't it. |
| 19:34.40 | Bushmills | worth a patent |
| 19:34.48 | babilen | bin_bash: Check the HCL page. If you can give us the PCIID (lspci -nn) of the devices in question we can help you further. |
| 19:34.50 | ompaul | Bushmills: in the fifth parallel universe on the left you find that often happens ;-) |
| 19:35.04 | Bushmills | patents on removing stuff? |
| 19:35.06 | babilen | bin_bash: would be something like abcd:1234 |
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| 19:36.18 | ompaul | Bushmills: No, removing things gives free space. |
| 19:36.30 | Bushmills | they should make null devices on sockets, so you can easier replace them when they have filled up |
| 19:36.39 | ompaul | hahah |
| 19:36.53 | ompaul | Bushmills: can I copy that for a channel topic? |
| 19:37.07 | mulenmar | I'm only interested in ONE patent so related to software -- a patent on a new form of torture for those who would file a software patent. >_> |
| 19:37.07 | Bushmills | herewith PD'ed |
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| 19:37.09 | ompaul | not on a big network |
| 19:37.26 | mulenmar | I exaggerate slightly. |
| 19:38.30 | ompaul | thanks |
| 19:38.37 | jelly-home | bin_bash: intel gpu has seen basic support for 1-2 months in xorg git, it's possible the very latest drivers in testing, unstable or experimental support it |
| 19:38.40 | twobitsprite | mulenmar: +1 |
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| 19:39.10 | Bushmills | next first of april i should try to think of sending a fledgling computer user to the computer shop to buy me a new null device |
| 19:39.19 | ompaul | hahaha |
| 19:39.41 | jelly-home | bin_bash: but as with all new hardware, best to stay away from it for 6-12 months for Linux usage |
| 19:39.50 | Bushmills | of course with elaborate explanation why i need a new one - so he's able to relay that to the computer dealer |
| 19:39.58 | bin_bash | the wireless card is Broadcom BCM43xx 1.0 5.100.198.10.1 |
| 19:40.21 | jelly-home | bin_bash: can you list pci id-s? |
| 19:40.33 | jelly-home | lspci -nn would show them |
| 19:40.35 | bin_bash | idk how to do that in osx |
| 19:40.42 | bin_bash | lspci doesn't exist unfortunately |
| 19:40.52 | Amnesia | any idea? |
| 19:40.53 | jelly-home | find out. |
| 19:42.19 | twobitsprite | Amnesia: you asked a question? |
| 19:42.25 | Craigwd_2000 | I just tried to edit my /etc/apt/sources.list file & I added non-free to the line for wheezy but it still claims that the package realtek-firmware is non-existent. Has the name of the package been changed to something newer/renamed to say firmware-realtek for instance...? |
| 19:42.30 | Amnesia | twobitsprite: hm |
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| 19:42.41 | Amnesia | I;ve tried to uninstall a package in posinst |
| 19:42.46 | Amnesia | but that obviously doesnt work |
| 19:42.55 | Amnesia | trying to plan out how to do it elsewise |
| 19:43.04 | Bushmills | bin_bash, brcm80211 is the module i use for the broadcom BCM4313, if that helps |
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| 19:43.47 | Amnesia | http://pastie.org/1795524 |
| 19:43.49 | Amnesia | doesnt work |
| 19:44.07 | dawud | Craigwd_2000: have you run 'aptitude update' afterwards? |
| 19:44.38 | bin_bash | Well, apparently it doesn't exist for OS X |
| 19:44.44 | bin_bash | this OS is full of gay.pl |
| 19:44.48 | Craigwd_2000 | Thanks for the head up dawud: I will try that next... |
| 19:44.57 | Craigwd_2000 | heads* |
| 19:44.59 | twobitsprite | Amnesia: why do you need to do that? you can't just make it conflict with the package you want to have removed? |
| 19:45.38 | Amnesia | twobitsprite: I want to install a bunch of codecs, which works fine, but it also installs linux-sound-base which I don't need |
| 19:46.07 | twobitsprite | do you need linux-sound-base installed to install the codecs? |
| 19:46.14 | Amnesia | well no |
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| 19:46.21 | Amnesia | but it's a dependency of one codec |
| 19:46.26 | Amnesia | and it isnt mandatory |
| 19:47.05 | twobitsprite | so, you install linux-sound-base to install the codec, then want to uninstall linux-sound-base? |
| 19:47.32 | Amnesia | yep |
| 19:47.46 | Amnesia | well if somehow it'd be possible to ignore linux-sound-base that'd be even better |
| 19:47.59 | Amnesia | http://pastie.org/1795531 |
| 19:48.01 | twobitsprite | if linux-sound-base is a dependency of the codec, I don't think you can uninstall linux-sound-base without uninstalling the codec |
| 19:48.02 | Amnesia | thats my control file |
| 19:48.06 | Amnesia | I can |
| 19:48.13 | Amnesia | :) |
| 19:48.46 | bin_bash | This is everything I can get about this card |
| 19:48.48 | bin_bash | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.48 | bin_bash | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.55 | twobitsprite | but it won't let you install the codec without linux-sound-base? |
| 19:49.05 | Amnesia | correct |
| 19:49.11 | twobitsprite | that shouldn't happen |
| 19:49.18 | twobitsprite | what's the codec package? |
| 19:49.19 | Amnesia | its a dependency of libdv4 |
| 19:49.20 | MeglaW | does anyone here use centerim? |
| 19:49.21 | mulenmar | Did you try "--no-install-recommends"? |
| 19:49.47 | twobitsprite | yeah, it's not a depend, it's a recommend |
| 19:49.58 | Amnesia | wtf |
| 19:50.07 | Amnesia | since when does apt-get install recommended packages? |
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| 19:50.15 | twobitsprite | the only dependency of libdv4 is libc6 |
| 19:50.15 | Amnesia | I thought only aptitude had that turned on by default |
| 19:50.23 | mulenmar | It's the default configuration, but it can be changed. |
| 19:50.30 | Amnesia | yeh |
| 19:50.43 | Amnesia | ah didnt knew apt-get also had it enabled by default.. |
| 19:50.51 | twobitsprite | apt-get won't install suggested packages by default, I don't think... but I'm pretty sure it's always installed recommended packages |
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| 19:51.17 | Amnesia | I see |
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| 19:51.39 | bin_bash | jelly-home: this is what I get: Card Type:AirPort Extreme (0x14E4, 0xD6) Firmware Version:Broadcom BCM43xx 1.0 5.100.198.10.1) |
| 19:51.43 | Amnesia | hm |
| 19:51.46 | Amnesia | /etc/apt/apt.conf? |
| 19:51.52 | twobitsprite | in your control file, you should put libdv4 as a depend, then make it "replace" or "conflict" with linux-sound-base |
| 19:52.03 | jelly-home | ,pciid 14e4:00d6 |
| 19:52.04 | judd | [14e4:00d6] is 'Unknown device' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:00d6 |
| 19:52.26 | Amnesia | twobitsprite: could you tell me how:)? |
| 19:52.26 | twobitsprite | I can't remember which one... but that's the right way to do it.. uninstalling packages in your postinst script is the wrong way to do it |
| 19:52.54 | bin_bash | So basically I'm f'd |
| 19:52.57 | jelly-home | bin_bash: if the second number is correct, there's no free driver yet |
| 19:52.57 | Amnesia | yep |
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| 19:53.05 | Amnesia | libdv4 is already a dependency |
| 19:53.07 | bin_bash | I copy-pasted |
| 19:53.11 | twobitsprite | Amnesia: nope :P I haven't made a package in a while... but it's something you put in the control file... the docs should go over that stuff |
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| 19:53.13 | bin_bash | this is so gay |
| 19:53.18 | bin_bash | I'm selling this piece of crap |
| 19:53.22 | Amnesia | hm gonna google |
| 19:53.23 | Amnesia | but ehm |
| 19:53.27 | bin_bash | there are NO drivers for the wireless |
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| 19:53.55 | Amnesia | would everything still work if I disable the default installation of recommended packages? probably it will right? |
| 19:54.10 | jelly-home | bin_bash: it is good practice to investigate hardware support _before_ buying it for linux usage |
| 19:54.23 | bin_bash | jelly-home: I didn't buy it |
| 19:54.27 | bin_bash | I got it for free |
| 19:54.29 | jelly-home | or don't buy latest |
| 19:54.35 | twobitsprite | Amnesia: debian recommends that you install recommended packages... they are recommended after all |
| 19:54.51 | Amnesia | hm okay |
| 19:54.56 | twobitsprite | is there a specific reason you need this package to remove the other package? |
| 19:54.59 | bin_bash | My previous laptop was running ubuntu just fine and then it broke (hardware) and they upgraded me to thisnew piece of crap for free |
| 19:55.13 | Black_Prince | Amnesia: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=62393 |
| 19:55.17 | Black_Prince | doh |
| 19:55.52 | jelly-home | bin_bash: so use OSX until there're drivers, or help with driver development |
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| 19:56.41 | bin_bash | jelly-home: I'm not advanced enough to do driver devel |
| 19:57.22 | jelly-home | bin_bash: you'r probably able to file bug reports and build newer versions of drivers when asked to |
| 19:57.58 | jelly-home | if you're not, yeah, get a machine that you can use instead |
| 19:58.05 | bin_bash | Not if I can't even get internet |
| 19:58.25 | jelly-home | does it not have an ethernet card? |
| 19:58.33 | bin_bash | I don't have access to ethernet |
| 19:58.48 | jelly-home | fascinating |
| 19:58.53 | bin_bash | yep |
| 19:58.59 | bin_bash | it's full of gay and aids. |
| 19:59.08 | jelly-home | !gay |
| 19:59.08 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. There is no possible meaning of "gay" that is consistent with your usage (you weren't meaning "happy", now, were you?) that is not offensive. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 19:59.15 | bin_bash | HAHAHAH |
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| 19:59.26 | gnugr | heh |
| 19:59.27 | bin_bash | !aids |
| 19:59.34 | jelly-home | just be polite |
| 19:59.36 | bin_bash | Oh okay. "it's full of AIDS" |
| 20:00.03 | bin_bash | but seriously |
| 20:00.14 | jelly-home | I'll let someone else talk to you |
| 20:00.20 | bin_bash | If I had access to ethernet, I'd be running archbang or ubuntu right now |
| 20:00.43 | bin_bash | I wasn't trying to be offensive |
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| 20:03.12 | shanepardue | Digging Gnome3 in Debian. Glad we haven't lost our mind by going with something like unity |
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| 20:04.01 | jelly-home | it's just an UI |
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| 20:04.37 | shanepardue | A nice one |
| 20:04.50 | jelly-home | in the end, it's the apps you run that matter and the rest just needs to be usable and stay out of the way |
| 20:05.05 | shanepardue | Bad UIs can be distracting |
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| 20:05.19 | shanepardue | Glad Gnome3 isn't |
| 20:05.25 | jelly-home | indeed. unity's great on a netbook with limited pixel sizes |
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| 20:05.54 | gnugr | .agr |
| 20:05.55 | bin_bash | what's a good laptop to get for running linux? |
| 20:05.59 | Amnesia | twobitsprite: googling for a "conflict" option in control |
| 20:06.21 | jelly-home | !thinkpad |
| 20:06.21 | dpkg | [thinkpad] one of the best laptops you can buy, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. Some models restrict MiniPCI card use, see http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_unauthorized_MiniPCI_network_card . See also <gobi>, <hdapsd>, <martian>, <mwavem>, <slmodem>, <synaptics>, <tpb>, <trackpoint>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad http://www.thinkwiki.org/ ##ibmthinkpad on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:06.21 | streuner | bin_bash: MBP ;-) |
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| 20:06.34 | abrotman | \o/ |
| 20:07.02 | bin_bash | streuner: it used to be! |
| 20:07.08 | streuner | bin_bash: did you try a Knoppix CD yet? well, my MBP runs just fine with it and WIFI (atheros) works too... |
| 20:07.21 | bin_bash | streuner: which mbp |
| 20:07.33 | jelly-home | abrotman: yeah I'm decommisioning my thinkpad, found out that these "desktop" things are 50% price and have more power ;-) |
| 20:07.39 | bin_bash | This is the brand new 2011 model |
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| 20:07.46 | bin_bash | so there's NOTHING available for it yet |
| 20:07.57 | Amnesia | hm |
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| 20:08.02 | babilen | bin_bash: sell it and get a thinkpad or at least *try* a live cd (debian live+firmware, grml, knoppix, ...) |
| 20:08.07 | streuner | bin_bash: mine is made at the end of 2010 |
| 20:08.14 | bin_bash | babilen: I have ubuntu installed already |
| 20:08.18 | Amnesia | does anyone know if there's some "conflict" option for control files which ignores recommended dependencies? |
| 20:08.21 | Black_Prince | Wait for 2.6.39 :O |
| 20:08.22 | babilen | bin_bash: And? |
| 20:08.23 | jelly-home | bin_bash: and it's EXACTLY because it's brand new that it doesn't work yet. Investigate your hardware (chipsets, relevant drivers) |
| 20:08.26 | bin_bash | Just can't use the GPU or the wireless |
| 20:09.11 | abrotman | jelly-home: but they don't fit under the couch! |
| 20:09.40 | bin_bash | jelly-home: I have been. no drivers for ubuntu, arch, archbang, crunchbang, gentoo |
| 20:09.41 | bin_bash | nothing. |
| 20:10.00 | jelly-home | bin_bash: I mean before buying. |
| 20:10.05 | bin_bash | jelly-home: I didn't buy it |
| 20:10.09 | streuner | hm, 9th generation, mine is 8th |
| 20:10.23 | jelly-home | shrug |
| 20:10.35 | bin_bash | If I were buying a new laptop that's waht I would have done |
| 20:10.50 | bin_bash | I didn't buy this. They upgraded it for free because my other one broke. I didn't really have a choice. |
| 20:11.19 | cahoot | haven't we benn through this ordeal a few turns already ? |
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| 20:12.08 | jelly-home | bin_bash: well you have new hardware and don't feel like helping making it work, I don't really see what else can be done in this channel about it |
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| 20:12.33 | bin_bash | How do I not feel like making it work |
| 20:12.36 | bin_bash | I submitted a report |
| 20:12.46 | bin_bash | I've been researching for a couple weeks now |
| 20:12.54 | streuner | bin_bash: wifi is usually atheros in MBPs |
| 20:13.06 | bin_bash | streuner: PM? |
| 20:13.14 | jelly-home | bin_bash: get latest xorg and kernels, see how they fail, work with upstream til you get basic functionality |
| 20:13.14 | streuner | bin_bash: ask #madwifi if they have support for your wifi stuff |
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| 20:13.21 | marsfligth | Does exist a command to get the numerical files/folders permissions? For i.e. 775 value stand for 'drwxrwxrwx'. Using 'chmod' I can only set the permission. |
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| 20:13.35 | streuner | bin_bash: and VESA should work too... |
| 20:14.22 | jelly-home | mars<tab>sigh |
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| 20:15.38 | nsadmin2 | is there also #normalwifi? |
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| 20:16.38 | Black_Prince | short answer: no |
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| 20:16.46 | Black_Prince | long answer: no way |
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| 20:17.22 | jelly-home | !spank nsadmin2 |
| 20:17.22 | dpkg | bends nsadmin2 over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
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| 20:22.14 | ChrisPitzer | hey all - is there a way for me to install postgres 8.3? (I need to recover some data out of a db in an old disk image, and the disk image uses 8.3) |
| 20:22.32 | ChrisPitzer | It's an old debian 5 image, and i tried apt-get install postgresql-8.3 but there's no install candidate. |
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| 20:24.02 | jelly-home | ChrisPitzer: is your /etc/apt/sources.list correct for debian 5.0 (lenny)? |
| 20:24.06 | jelly-home | !lenny sources.list |
| 20:24.06 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> and "man sources.list". |
| 20:24.13 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions postgress |
| 20:24.14 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'postgress' was found in i386. |
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| 20:24.22 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions postgres |
| 20:24.24 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'postgres' was found in i386. |
| 20:24.28 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: "postgresql-8.3" |
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| 20:24.45 | miguel000 | what does Debian 5.0 Mini mean? |
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| 20:24.48 | ChrisPitzer | jelly-home: i'm not sure. |
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| 20:24.53 | miguel000 | espeically the Mini? |
| 20:25.21 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: So it is. |
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| 20:26.28 | jelly-home | ChrisPitzer: verify and fix it. do an apt-get update, and there should be a postgresql-8.3 package available |
| 20:26.44 | jelly-home | ,versions postgresql-8.3 |
| 20:26.45 | judd | Package postgresql-8.3 on i386 -- lenny: 8.3.13-0lenny1; lenny-security: 8.3.14-0lenny1 |
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| 20:29.31 | Psirus | hello, I've just installed testing xfce, and once the Xserver starts, the mouse & keyboard are not responding to any inputs anymore |
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| 20:29.41 | Bop | !reinstall |
| 20:29.41 | dpkg | from memory, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>. |
| 20:30.44 | Psirus | i'm not sure what do get from that |
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| 20:32.31 | jhutchins_lt | Psirus: Seems to be a lot of that going around. |
| 20:36.04 | Bop | im trying to reinstall , but there are some packages that not came from debian repository and gives me a error that couldn't generate list of packages to download ... anyway to bypass the reinstallation of those packages ? |
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| 20:41.16 | twobitsprite | bop: try "aptitude reinstall '~i' <package>:" |
| 20:41.22 | jhutchins_lt | Bop: Yes, don't install packages from non-debian sources. Especially packages that are already in the debian tree. |
| 20:41.38 | jhutchins_lt | Bop: Remove those packages and try again. |
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| 20:42.47 | twobitsprite | Bop: or "aptitude reinstall '~i' <package>&m" |
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| 20:43.21 | twobitsprite | er "aptitude reinstall '~i' 'package&m'" |
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| 20:43.40 | jhutchins_lt | twobitsprite: What's &m do? |
| 20:43.49 | twobitsprite | mark it as manually installed |
| 20:44.02 | twobitsprite | I suspect that might make aptitude ignore the package for the sake of reinstall/etc |
| 20:44.05 | Bop | let me see |
| 20:44.20 | jhutchins_lt | twobitsprite: Doesn't manually installing it do that anyway? |
| 20:44.39 | twobitsprite | I would think so, but then I would think aptitude would ignore it for reinstall |
| 20:45.22 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, there is that |
| 20:45.23 | Bop | twobitsprite, aptitude reinstall '~i' wine>&m returns to prompt |
| 20:45.36 | twobitsprite | get rid of the '>' |
| 20:45.47 | Bop | wine&m |
| 20:45.48 | Bop | ok |
| 20:45.53 | twobitsprite | just "aptitude reinstall '~i' 'wine&m'" |
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| 20:46.06 | twobitsprite | don't forget the single quotes, otherwise your shell will interpret the & |
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| 20:47.17 | Bop | twobitsprite, wont solve, same error :S |
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| 20:47.45 | twobitsprite | how about "aptitude reinstall '~i' 'wine:'"? |
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| 20:51.35 | Enverex | I've not used a USB audio device before but I'm running into a wall. I've plugged in the device and the relevant drivers have been loaded (snd_usb_audio, etc) but yet alsamixer claims there is no mixer and nothing is able to output sound (the machine has no other sound device). cat /proc/asound/cards shows the device as it should so I'm stumped. |
| 20:52.41 | twobitsprite | Enverex: might try #alsa ... my usb headphone work out of the box |
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| 20:55.24 | Enverex | Nevermind, it was this issue - http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=53516 |
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| 20:58.23 | Chris___ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.26 | Chris___ | halp please |
| 20:58.51 | itchi | Chris___: Use other software ;) |
| 20:58.56 | dvs | heh |
| 20:59.10 | dvs | Chris___: apt-cache policy libjs-mootools |
| 20:59.38 | Chris___ | none & none, dvs |
| 20:59.50 | dann | Chris___, http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libjs-mootools |
| 21:00.09 | Bop | lol twobitsprite that could work , but list is too large for me to put each package on prompt |
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| 21:00.24 | Bop | i had put like 30 , still giving errors |
| 21:00.31 | Chris___ | thanks dann |
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| 21:01.07 | dvs | ??? How does the package page help? |
| 21:01.21 | Chris___ | dann: I love you. I've been trying to fix that for days. Thanks :p |
| 21:01.56 | dann | Chris___, yw |
| 21:02.06 | dvs | is even more confused now. |
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| 21:04.43 | twobitsprite | Bop: where are you getting all these wierd packages? |
| 21:05.02 | Bop | i have debian multimedia , dunno if are those |
| 21:05.21 | twobitsprite | is the multimedia repo still in your sources.list? |
| 21:05.28 | Bop | yeah |
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| 21:09.54 | twobitsprite | check in /var/cache/apt/archive to see those packages are actually there |
| 21:10.00 | twobitsprite | I suspect that's what it's complaining about |
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| 21:12.35 | Bop | twobitsprite, alot of files in there , should i remove them all ? |
| 21:12.40 | twobitsprite | no |
| 21:13.06 | twobitsprite | those files are supposed to be there |
| 21:13.15 | Bop | ok |
| 21:13.21 | twobitsprite | try checking for one of the packages that give you the error |
| 21:14.52 | Bop | looks like i've made it to the end of list \o/ |
| 21:15.20 | Psirus | trying again: hello, I've just installed testing xfce, and mouse & keyboard don't respond anymore, once the xserver startsâ¦any ideas? |
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| 21:17.15 | twobitsprite | Psirus: have you checked the debian bug tracker for the relevant packages |
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| 21:17.42 | Bop | twobitsprite, that's for the tip ;) |
| 21:17.59 | twobitsprite | np |
| 21:18.12 | Bop | twobitsprite, btw , what does 'package:' does , tells aptitude to ignore it ? |
| 21:18.59 | twobitsprite | puts a hold on the package so commands like install, reinstall, upgrade, etc ignore it |
| 21:19.05 | twobitsprite | so basically, what you said |
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| 21:19.23 | Bop | but i wont have any issues in upcoming package updates ,right |
| 21:19.48 | twobitsprite | I don't know... sounds to me like those packages are broken somehow |
| 21:19.54 | Bop | :S |
| 21:20.09 | Bop | i've updated from lenny 5 to testing |
| 21:20.10 | twobitsprite | try running "aptitude install" on one of the packages that was giving you the error |
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| 21:20.15 | Bop | might be old packages |
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| 21:20.33 | Bop | old and discontinued |
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| 21:20.41 | twobitsprite | that's true, wasn't thinking about that |
| 21:20.47 | twobitsprite | are you running debian testing? |
| 21:20.53 | Bop | yeah , now testing |
| 21:21.00 | twobitsprite | now testing? |
| 21:21.06 | twobitsprite | you mean, you were running stable? |
| 21:21.23 | Bop | now i'm running testing, but used to install lenny |
| 21:21.28 | Bop | i've upgraded |
| 21:21.35 | twobitsprite | that could be the problem |
| 21:21.55 | Bop | ill try to remove each package that gives me that error and i dont know them |
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| 21:22.10 | twobitsprite | !tell bop about lenny->squeeze |
| 21:22.11 | zpb0103 | Hi all. I'm setting up a netbook with a wm8505 arm proc and I need a lightweight browser with javascript support |
| 21:22.15 | twobitsprite | did you follow that? |
| 21:22.30 | zpb0103 | galeon/chromium/ff are all too big, any other ideas? |
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| 21:22.57 | Bop | twobitsprite, cant quite recall , but i think it wasnt that :S |
| 21:23.24 | Bop | i've changed repository and uptitude safe-upgrade , lol |
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| 21:25.33 | twobitsprite | anyways, that's probably the problem... it can't find the packages in the repo for the things you have installed |
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| 21:28.19 | mulenmar | zpb0103: Midori? Arora? |
| 21:28.36 | mulenmar | Not sure how much Javascript Netsurf supports. |
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| 21:31.11 | zpb0103 | Ahh midori might be one that I remember working well, thanks I'll try that |
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| 21:37.49 | Bop | twobitsprite, maybe try other way , is there a way to reinstall only the 1 package and all dependencies ? |
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| 21:53.04 | Bop | ,versions kernel |
| 21:53.06 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'kernel' was found in i386. |
| 21:53.10 | Bop | ,versions linux-image |
| 21:53.11 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image' was found in i386. |
| 21:53.27 | themill | Bop: you want to "/msg judd kernels" |
| 21:53.32 | Bop | ok thanks |
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| 22:03.20 | jorgp | hmm, can someone help me get mouse and keyboard to work inside of X, running debian inside of vmware fusion 3, gpm works fine with the mouse |
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| 22:05.39 | ompaul | jorgp: I know nothing of vmfusion, did you install a version with X or did you add on X after the install? |
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| 22:06.14 | jorgp | added after install |
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| 22:08.21 | ompaul | jorgp: given that bandwidth is sort of cheap you should really install the full version and let the autoconfig take care of itself (like it does for me when I install using kvm ;-)) |
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| 22:08.46 | ompaul | jorgp: but if you won't have you install gdm and so on? |
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| 22:09.30 | jorgp | well, I just seleted graphical desktop in tasksel, its installing 108 packagges |
| 22:09.34 | jorgp | packages |
| 22:10.21 | foetus | haha |
| 22:10.24 | ompaul | when its finished it should be a bit better if not dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
| 22:10.52 | ompaul | foetus: got something good to add |
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| 22:11.10 | foetus | ompaul: :) |
| 22:12.04 | jorgp | is there some kind of log file by tasksel, so I can see what its downloading? |
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| 22:16.21 | jorgp | heh, its downloaded 65 packages, but what packages? |
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| 22:23.37 | ompaul | jorgp: ones to make up a desktop if you are doing it right ;-) |
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| 22:32.37 | peterrooney | jorgp: maybe not for the downloads, but there is /var/log/dpkg.log for what happens after the downloads |
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| 22:34.47 | peterrooney | jorgp: also, /var/log/apt/ has stuff. |
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| 22:45.59 | gtklocker | Hi |
| 22:46.07 | gtklocker | Can the default debian kernel read reiser4 filesystems/ |
| 22:46.08 | gtklocker | ? |
| 22:46.25 | jhutchins_lt | gtklocker: cat /proc/filesystems |
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| 22:47.22 | jhutchins_lt | gtklocker: Looks like it's a module. |
| 22:47.24 | gtklocker | jhutchins_lt: it doesnt even include ext2/3 |
| 22:47.42 | jhutchins_lt | gtklocker: MMine has ext3 loaded. |
| 22:48.01 | gtklocker | cool I should just load these modules |
| 22:48.10 | jhutchins_lt | ...but of course, it would, ext3 is mounted. |
| 22:48.11 | gtklocker | but well there's not module reiser4 |
| 22:48.25 | jhutchins_lt | reiserfs |
| 22:48.59 | gtklocker | i think reiserfs is completely different with reiser4 |
| 22:49.10 | gtklocker | I loaded it though and just reiserfs shows |
| 22:50.11 | gtklocker | jhutchins_lt: I think the kernel doesnt include this module |
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| 22:51.07 | jhutchins_lt | If you say so. |
| 22:51.30 | gtklocker | jhutchins_lt: I think it needs to be patched anyway to suppoer it |
| 22:51.33 | gtklocker | support* |
| 22:51.49 | jhutchins_lt | Doubt it, reiser4 tools are in the tree. |
| 22:52.15 | sebastian | hi there, I need to make a SSL proxy like this: http://serverfault.com/questions/227057/revers-proxy-http-https and for some reason it does not connect nor leave stuff in the access.log of the virtual host |
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| 22:52.43 | sebastian | where else you would look at? |
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| 22:54.53 | zcat[1] | Need help with iptables.... |
| 22:55.42 | zcat[1] | -A PREROUTING -p tcp -m tcp -i ! -s 192.168.0.96 --dport 25 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.0.96:25 -- is supposed to redirect outside connections and any attempts to send mail directly via out smtp server at 192.168.0.96 ... BUT |
| 22:56.27 | zcat[1] | ... connections from outside appear to connect from the firewall;'s IP (which is considered part of our lan) instead of the external IP where they would be recognised as not allowed to relay. |
| 22:56.36 | zcat[1] | wo how do I fix this rule? |
| 22:56.39 | zcat[1] | *so |
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| 22:59.03 | Bushmills | zcat[1]: you don't |
| 22:59.43 | Bushmills | were they to appear from their original address, no DNAT would be needed |
| 22:59.57 | sebastian | guys where I can get help on apache stuff? |
| 23:00.41 | Bushmills | sebastian: in #indigenous_americans |
| 23:00.44 | streuner | sebastian: /msg dpkg apache or just try here (if you run Debian) |
| 23:01.08 | kgoetz | 22:59:57 < sebastian> guys where I can get help on apache stuff? |
| 23:01.08 | kgoetz | 23:00:41 < Bushmills> sebastian: in #indigenous_americans |
| 23:01.17 | sebastian | hehe |
| 23:01.20 | kgoetz | fark |
| 23:01.25 | kgoetz | sorry, mouse crazyness |
| 23:01.29 | streuner | hm |
| 23:01.47 | sebastian | I need to make a SSL proxy like this: http://serverfault.com/questions/227057/revers-proxy-http-https and for some reason it does not connect nor leave stuff in the access.log of the virtual host and the .error.log isnt helping |
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| 23:03.03 | zcat[1] | if I port-forward using my home router, a connection from 202.* to my real IP gets redirected to 10.1.1.254:25 but still shows the "real" source IP , bit the router's 10.1.1.1 ip. linux can do this, right? |
| 23:03.10 | zcat[1] | *not |
| 23:03.24 | zcat[1] | I just have the forwarding rule wrong. please help me. |
| 23:03.31 | sebastian | so, I'm ind of stuck about diagnosing what's going on |
| 23:03.45 | sebastian | ideas on where or what to look at? |
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| 23:06.20 | zcat[1] | I know I have done this in the past. Does anyone even understand the question? |
| 23:06.53 | Bushmills | zcat, source address is needed for the reply, unless you NAT, and thereby have the reply de-NATted |
| 23:07.30 | zcat[1] | yes, I think. How do I do that? |
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| 23:08.16 | jhutchins_lt | zcat[1]: If you did it before but didn't bother to learn what you were doing, why are we supposed to be responsible for telling you how to do it again? RTFM! |
| 23:08.39 | zcat[1] | I fluked it before and I can't figure out how I did it. |
| 23:08.52 | zcat[1] | and I can't make any sense of tfm |
| 23:09.19 | jorgp | still no mouse or keyboard |
| 23:09.48 | jorgp | X starts fine, just mouse does not work |
| 23:10.02 | streuner | laptop, fresh install? |
| 23:10.06 | jhutchins_lt | zcat[1]: http://www.aboutdebian.com/firewall.htm |
| 23:10.15 | jorgp | desktop, yes |
| 23:11.01 | jhutchins_lt | jorgp: Lot of that going around lately. Hasn't affected anybody running stable or oldstable. |
| 23:11.17 | jorgp | strange |
| 23:11.32 | jorgp | mouse works fine in ubuntu and gentoo |
| 23:11.40 | sebastian | anyone here using graph.facebook.com ? |
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| 23:13.33 | streuner | jorgp: what kind of Debian Installer do you use? |
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| 23:14.09 | jorgp | firmware testing w/ a testing snapshot |
| 23:14.27 | streuner | oh, that explains everything |
| 23:14.46 | jorgp | heh |
| 23:14.53 | streuner | just use a stable d-i and upgrade to testing |
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| 23:15.05 | babilen | (or use stable) |
| 23:15.13 | jorgp | that is what I am downloading now |
| 23:15.48 | jorgp | I had a fealing that is what it was |
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| 23:18.26 | matsur | so im running an HTTP server on a high port number so I dont have to screw with drop privs etc, but want it listening on port 80. i have iptables setup to use nat/PREROUTING to forward reqs on 80 to 9999, and accept rules for 80 and 9999. how can i not expose 9999 to the outside world and just allow connections iptables is forwarding? |
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| 23:19.25 | zcat[1] | OK as near as I can tell the rule's correct. it just doesn't do what we want. |
| 23:19.41 | zcat[1] | it forwards fine but hte source address is mangles. |
| 23:19.45 | zcat[1] | mangled |
| 23:20.06 | matsur | @zcat[1] how do you mean mangled? |
| 23:20.31 | matsur | everything works well, yes, i'd just like 9999 to appear closed to the outside world |
| 23:20.34 | zcat[1] | the source address becomes the firewall's IP not the true source. |
| 23:22.35 | matsur | no, that doesnt seem to be a problem, reqs are served properly |
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| 23:31.59 | Fare | Help! My latest upgrade kill dbus or something, and all windows hang desperately |
| 23:32.22 | casts | hates dbus |
| 23:33.27 | zcat[1] | so is there a way to have iptables do exactly what my cheap dlink does automatically? forward a conenction to an internal IP but NOT replace the source IP with it's own at the same time? |
| 23:33.27 | Fare | if I start X manually into fvwm, everything goes well |
| 23:33.36 | Fare | but my kde session is toast |
| 23:34.08 | zcat[1] | yes I have googled my ass off and I always just find the same rule that I have now, and the rule I have now is replacing the source ip |
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| 23:43.16 | dondelelcaro | zcat[1]: uh... it's always going to replace the source ip |
| 23:43.44 | zcat[1] | my cheap router doesn't. |
| 23:44.02 | zcat[1] | what's the rule to forward a port that does the same thing as my cheap dlink router? |
| 23:44.03 | dondelelcaro | wlel, you can alternatively do it by mangling the packet |
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| 23:47.25 | zcat[1] | dondelelcaro, how? |
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| 23:58.58 | qq_sadman | hi guys |
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| 23:59.03 | qq_sadman | i'm running into a really weird problem |
| 23:59.15 | qq_sadman | the time on my machine keeps hopping back and forth by 5 minutes |
| 23:59.47 | qq_sadman | when it's ahead, the value returned by coreutils date and syslog are different |
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