| 00:01.00 | qq_sadman | http://pastebin.com/hSekxDGg |
| 00:01.04 | qq_sadman | there's an example of the problem |
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| 00:02.21 | ousado | hi all |
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| 00:02.44 | buhman | how can I find/add the keys for unofficial repositories |
| 00:02.46 | abrotman | qq_sadman: what does the hwclock return ? |
| 00:02.59 | abrotman | buhman: usually the repos have the instructions on the website .. be more specific |
| 00:03.11 | ousado | I just updated sid, now gnome-panel hangs and consumes 100% |
| 00:03.15 | MrFrood | qq_sadman: have you got NTP installed? |
| 00:03.21 | abrotman | ousado: checked the bts ? |
| 00:03.22 | ousado | is that a known problem? |
| 00:03.23 | qq_sadman | MrFrood: no i do not |
| 00:03.27 | buhman | abrotman: well, I have my old sources.list, but I can't remember where I found all those from |
| 00:03.32 | abrotman | qq_sadman: you might want to have ntp installed :) |
| 00:03.34 | buhman | abrotman: google isn't being readily helpful either... |
| 00:03.41 | abrotman | buhman: that's not helping me either |
| 00:03.51 | qq_sadman | ntp doesn't solve the problem |
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| 00:03.59 | qq_sadman | whatever's changing the clock is continuing to do so |
| 00:03.59 | buhman | abrotman: how could I help you help me? |
| 00:04.07 | qq_sadman | it's an openvz slice so there's no hardware rtc |
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| 00:04.26 | abrotman | buhman: at least an error ? |
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| 00:05.51 | abrotman | qq_sadman: is it possible another slice is changing the clock ? |
| 00:06.06 | qq_sadman | i have been assured otherwise |
| 00:06.14 | chemist | hi, I am attemmpting a net install and keep getting bad archive mirror error when apt tries to scan the mirrors |
| 00:06.15 | qq_sadman | the host system's clock is stable |
| 00:06.20 | chemist | tried several now |
| 00:06.31 | abrotman | chemist: which netinst ? |
| 00:06.38 | chemist | amd64 |
| 00:06.40 | abrotman | the ISO filename |
| 00:06.52 | ousado | abrotman: well, from the titles it's not obvious if there's a ticket for that bug |
| 00:07.16 | chemist | one sec |
| 00:08.35 | chemist | debian-6.0.1a-amd64.netinst.iso |
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| 00:10.27 | abrotman | ousado: look at the dates, the titles, the responses |
| 00:10.35 | abrotman | chemist: are you proxied at all ? |
| 00:10.40 | chemist | no |
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| 00:11.22 | abrotman | chemist: i used the PSU mirror today (i386 though) .. no issues |
| 00:13.47 | zcat[1] | found the problem -- the guy who originally set this firewall up decided to make a "-A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE" rule as well as the " -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE" that handles the internal network ... |
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| 00:14.43 | thomasfu1ton | Aloha, somone tried e17 in debian? is there a repo for it? |
| 00:14.52 | zcat[1] | so now it's all working |
| 00:15.08 | feld | hi guys. I'm running unstable (need to for intel gfx driver junk) and things are generally OK except the power button on the laptop's keyboard instantly sends the laptop to shutdown. it won't ask me what i want to to -- the signal isn't intercepted ... |
| 00:15.11 | feld | ... for some reason. Any thoughts? (i run xfce as my desktop) |
| 00:15.19 | zcat[1] | conenctions from outside get redirected to the correct server but still have the outside IP address |
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| 00:15.39 | Strife89 | attempts to install F.lux: http://stereopsis.com/flux/linux.html |
| 00:15.43 | MrFrood | thomasfu1ton: not tried it on debian but I think it is in testing |
| 00:16.05 | chemist | it doesn't matter which mirror I try, I get "mirror does not support the specified release (squeeze)" every time |
| 00:16.11 | Strife89 | However, I can't, as add-apt-respitory is not valid. (sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kilian/f.lux) |
| 00:16.18 | MrFrood | thomasfu1ton: not that I am recomending that you use testing or unstable |
| 00:16.23 | Strife89 | Any suggestions on getting around that issue? |
| 00:16.41 | thomasfu1ton | Mrfood: i wont like, i guess i have to compile it my own then doh :P |
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| 00:17.55 | qq_sadman | Strife89: that package is for ubuntu, not debian |
| 00:18.12 | Joelito | guys, I have a problem, I installed openbox and fluxbox on my debian install,I manage to switch from fluxbox to openbox with sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 00:18.29 | MrFrood | thomasfu1ton: good luck |
| 00:18.31 | Strife89 | qq_sadman: ... Oh, derp. CLI it is, I guess. |
| 00:18.35 | Joelito | now, when trying to switch back to fluxbox, it keeps runing openbox |
| 00:19.31 | MrFrood | Joelito: how do you start X? |
| 00:19.31 | Joelito | any ideas? |
| 00:19.58 | Joelito | su - joel -c startx on rc.local |
| 00:20.50 | MrFrood | Joelito: what happens with 'startx fluxbox' |
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| 00:21.27 | Joelito | I don't know... |
| 00:21.44 | Joelito | but how come it doesn't work using sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager? |
| 00:22.08 | Joelito | su - joel -c 'startx fluxbox' |
| 00:22.10 | Joelito | ? |
| 00:22.20 | Strife89 | Hmm, at least the CLI version is simple enough to operate. |
| 00:22.42 | MrFrood | not sure - I'm trying to work out where the issue lies hence my previouse question |
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| 00:23.04 | cusco | hi |
| 00:23.07 | Strife89 | Now the color temp is VERY warm though. =) |
| 00:23.14 | MrFrood | Joelito: yes try that |
| 00:23.30 | Joelito | ok brb |
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| 00:42.29 | jorgp | I just did a net install with stable, but I want to upgrade to testing, so I install the graphical env in stable or do it when I upgrade to testing? |
| 00:42.54 | jorgp | after I upgrade to testing |
| 00:43.05 | karlpinc | jorgp: FYI See below: |
| 00:43.09 | karlpinc | !tell jorgp about overview |
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| 00:43.45 | karlpinc | jorgp: Testing does not work great at the moment, or so I hear. It's busy being tested for new stuff. |
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| 00:44.15 | karlpinc | !tell jorgp about stable->testing |
| 00:45.03 | karlpinc | jorgp: It does not matter, but there's no reason to install lots of stable stuff and then have to upgrade it. |
| 00:45.29 | jorgp | yeah, that is what I was thinking |
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| 00:48.21 | karlpinc | jorgp: Why testing? |
| 00:48.32 | jorgp | newer packages |
| 00:48.41 | karlpinc | jorgp: Backports not good enough for you? |
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| 00:49.03 | jorgp | I will look into those |
| 00:49.49 | Craigwd_2000 | Well: apparently I was wrong about Wheezy's final shipping Kernel...: running uname -r produced 2.6.32-5-amd64... Another weird bug is that whenever I use either apt-get or aptitude to install packages that can be found on the Debian Wheezy 4/04/11 Snapshot DVD 1 even though they install without a hitch LXDE's WM keeps emitting mount errors about /udev/sr0... Is something wrong with Wheezy's current udev & all of thes |
| 00:49.49 | Craigwd_2000 | outdated components like the Kernel, udev & even WINE make me wonder if I'd be better off with AptoSid instead... Is Sid still in a state of dis-array/mess that it was before/the last time I checked in terms of simple stuff like games like supertuxkart & supertux not being in any of Sid's Repos while I know for a fact that they definitely currently available in Wheezy...? The outdated Kernel alone might explain all of |
| 00:49.50 | Craigwd_2000 | ACPI issues... |
| 00:50.48 | Craigwd_2000 | definitely are currently* |
| 00:50.59 | abrotman | wheezy has a .38 currently |
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| 00:51.10 | karlpinc | !tell Craigwd_2000 about stable->testing |
| 00:51.50 | karlpinc | Craigwd_2000: The point being, testing is not so stable. Especially now. Did you have to go to wheezy to get hardware support? |
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| 00:53.37 | karlpinc | Craigwd_2000: I recall you wanted a newer video driver. (A new kernel should show up in backports, but as I said yesterday I'm not sure that will help given the X in stable.) |
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| 00:54.07 | Craigwd_2000 | Karlpinc: Yes.: my hardware is somewhat supported in older Kernels but 2.6.38 provides much needed full ATI GPU support... Abrotman: I just ran sudo aptitude full-upgrade & it failed to upgrade me to the newer v. 2.6.38 Kernel... |
| 00:54.22 | abrotman | Craigwd_2000: aptitude install linux-image-amd64 |
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| 01:04.39 | Craigwd_2000 | Abrotman: I've got some very bad news...: it would seem as though apparently aptitude's intelligence/AI was kicking in just a little bit earlier...: no sooner did I run sudo aptitude install linux-image-amd64 & reboot & then another damn Kernel Panic occurred...: also it said my ATI RV770 (which may not even be right at all...)needs some firmware file to work correctly...; whereas Linux Mint 10 OTOH said it needed |
| 01:04.39 | Craigwd_2000 | approximately five or six separate firmware files for just the video card alone...: plus one for my Realtek NIC... |
| 01:05.27 | dvs | Craigwd_2000: install firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 01:07.57 | Craigwd_2000 | Dvs: I agree: but I seem to remember from the Windows ATI Mobility Modder.NET ATI driver modding utility that I have a completely different ATI GPU...; definitely not the ATI RV770 & this smells like a bug in Debian Wheezy's current version of X.org... |
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| 01:15.11 | Craigwd_2000 | My GPU has a completely different internal ATI/AMD codename/internal working name since in reality it's as WinXP announced earlier a Mobile version of ATI's Radeon 6450 PCI-E based GPU with 1 GB of either DDR2 or DDR3 VRAM dedicated to it (I think it's DDR3 but I'm not 100% certain on that...: so don't quote me on that...) This PC has always had Wi-Fi issues due the fact that I custom ordered it with a Atheros AR5009 |
| 01:15.12 | Craigwd_2000 | 802.11n Wi-Fi NIC though in reality upon further testing & driver updates/much Wi-Fi driver tweaking XP seemed to like/prefer the Atheros 9285 Wi-Fi NIC driver & Linux's ATH9K Kernel Module hasn't quite ever really worked right for me ever & has always been a thorn in my side/my PC's side... |
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| 01:18.19 | dvs | Craigwd_2000: The Radeon 6000 series is too new for the radeon kernel drivers. |
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| 01:20.14 | abrotman | wonders if there will be a Radeon 6-5000 ... |
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| 01:27.48 | Craigwd_2000 | Dvs: Is there a way to install the ATI commercial drivers painlessly...? I either need to do that or something is going to give here... I have an extra EXT4 Partition at the end of my laptop's 320 GB WD SATA-300 HD with backups of my Firefox & SeaMonkey bookmarks as well as various Linux bins & tarballs that I've needed at some point in the not-so-distant past...; including the tarball for X.org's new Wacom Graphire3 |
| 01:27.49 | Craigwd_2000 | driver & I do own one that I'd love to use with KompoZer & maybe even CAD/CAM software at some point... I just now tried to sudo aptitude install firmware-linux-nonfree & I got a non-existent package error...; however; due to the current state of the Kernel's built-in ATI drivers I'm now wondering if ATI/AMD commercial drivers automatically install the required FW files or if I'll need to lift them off of my XP Install |
| 01:27.49 | Craigwd_2000 | C:\Windows dir if somebody could please tell me what dll/s they might be in if I'm right about that... |
| 01:28.56 | dvs | Craigwd_2000: I've never tried installing the nonfree ATI drivers. |
| 01:31.07 | Craigwd_2000 | My biggest concern ATM is whether or not the driver installer include the necessary/required GPU firmware files... |
| 01:31.25 | Craigwd_2000 | includes* |
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| 01:32.49 | mrkotfw | Hello everyone. |
| 01:33.01 | abrotman | he's baaack |
| 01:33.11 | dvs | runs |
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| 01:33.31 | mrkotfw | Is it possible with Debian's "interfaces" to set up a bridge under a specific interface (wlan0) and ESSID? |
| 01:33.52 | mrkotfw | Also, is everything truly hot-pluggable? |
| 01:34.18 | abrotman | "everything" meaning what? |
| 01:34.34 | mrkotfw | I mean, if I connect using my ethernet port, will it automatically invoke dhclient? And if I disconnect, attempt to connect to either of the listed ESSIDs I have? |
| 01:34.49 | mrkotfw | Everything being my wired connection and wireless connection |
| 01:35.04 | mrkotfw | By disconnect, I mean unplug |
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| 01:35.49 | mrkotfw | So if I plug in an ethernet cable, will it attempt to call DHCP and if I unplug it, will it attempt to connect using wlan0? |
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| 01:36.03 | mrkotfw | *AND* set up a bridge if it's wlan0? |
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| 01:36.45 | gnarface | new "easy to use" blender a good thing or a bad thing? don't get me wrong i couldn't figure the damned thing out either, but as an emacs user i generally fear and resent trends towards "intuitive" interfaces as they tend to be destructive. also, when will it be in SID? |
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| 01:38.07 | abrotman | judd: versions blender |
| 01:38.09 | judd | Package blender on i386 -- lenny: 2.46+dfsg-6; squeeze: 2.49.2~dfsg-2+b2; squeeze-multimedia: 2.49.2~dfsg-2.1; sid: 2.56.1-beta-svn34076-1; wheezy: 2.56.1-beta-svn34076-1 |
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| 01:38.23 | abrotman | mrkotfw: there's an allow-hotplug option |
| 01:38.36 | abrotman | mrkotfw: you can set the post-up to run your brutils stuff |
| 01:38.36 | Griob | Hello. Can anyone help me set up chroot for ssh, i cant figure it out... |
| 01:39.04 | Craigwd_2000 | I was also forced to give up on LXDE's File Manager that won't launch for me & had to just install Krusader instead... |
| 01:39.18 | mrkotfw | abrotman: OK |
| 01:39.27 | mrkotfw | abrotman: What about mapping to specific ESSID? |
| 01:39.40 | abrotman | you can do that in your interfaces file also |
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| 01:39.43 | mrkotfw | Because I have both a wired connection and a wireless connection at home |
| 01:39.52 | mrkotfw | I see |
| 01:40.27 | mrkotfw | abrotman: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=91439 |
| 01:40.34 | mrkotfw | You mean like that? |
| 01:40.59 | abrotman | that's not how i do it .. |
| 01:41.09 | Craigwd_2000 | I'm going to attempt to install the ATI drivers as planned: if the Kernel freaks out about missing firmware I'll deal with it later... |
| 01:41.18 | mrkotfw | abrotman: Can you paste your interfaces file (removing all personal info!) |
| 01:41.18 | mrkotfw | ? |
| 01:41.30 | abrotman | mrkotfw: this laptop doesn't travel, so i just set my interfaces file with wireless-essid/wireless-key |
| 01:41.43 | mrkotfw | Ah, |
| 01:41.48 | abrotman | go ahead .. make fun of me for having a laptop that doesn't travel! i dare you@! |
| 01:41.52 | mrkotfw | So you don't have multiple ESSIDs |
| 01:42.05 | dvs | pal abrot... |
| 01:42.07 | dvs | ;-) |
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| 01:42.49 | dvs | 's laptop doesn't travel either. |
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| 01:46.08 | Craigwd_2000 | Speaking of which my laptop does travel so maybe LXDE just isn't quite the right Desktop/WM for me...: I need something that's stable & has a decent Wi-Fi network manager/Wi-Fi location manager built in... Does Fluxbox have that or is KDE 4 my only realistic option...? Bear in mind that I might attempt to enable the Experimental Tree if necessary if I can use that to pull in the required debs for KDE 4.6.X since every |
| 01:46.08 | Craigwd_2000 | other AMD64 KDE 4.6.X based distro out there that I've tried has had either Wi-Fi or ACPI issues...: or even worse still: both... |
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| 01:47.50 | antivigilante | every time network-manager is upgraded i have to reboot |
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| 01:48.35 | antivigilante | how can i avoid that? |
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| 01:48.51 | mrkotfw | Ugh... |
| 01:49.01 | nevyn | kde4 and nm is kinda icky |
| 01:49.08 | antivigilante | yes |
| 01:49.21 | nevyn | like I use it but it's got drama |
| 01:49.31 | antivigilante | it doesn't even have import for vpn configs :/ |
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| 01:50.20 | nevyn | antivigilante: like sometimes the kdenetworkmanager just manages to put all the devices in unmanaged or reports no managed devices or other stupid things |
| 01:50.31 | antivigilante | yep |
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| 01:51.08 | antivigilante | it should be possible to return to the previous state |
| 01:51.51 | nevyn | there are some odd interactions with kdenetworkmanager nm hardware wifi enable/disable and suspend |
| 01:52.05 | antivigilante | that too |
| 01:52.21 | antivigilante | can't hibernate this laptop :/ |
| 01:52.32 | mrkotfw | Is it possible to bring up a stanza? |
| 01:52.36 | nevyn | Craigwd_2000: use the gnome networkmanager wiget :) |
| 01:52.48 | antivigilante | stanza? |
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| 01:52.58 | mrkotfw | antivigilante: In network interfaces |
| 01:53.00 | nevyn | there once was a man from nantucket? |
| 01:53.00 | mrkotfw | Like br0 |
| 01:53.52 | antivigilante | here it comes |
| 01:54.03 | antivigilante | any minute now it drops me |
| 01:55.12 | abrotman | antivigilante: why not just restart the service ? |
| 01:55.32 | antivigilante | that doesn't do it |
| 01:55.55 | antivigilante | i suppose logging out of kde and back in might work :/ |
| 01:57.01 | Craigwd_2000 | I've tried wicd & while it works great it won't even interface with KDE 4's nm & I wish I could find a GUI front-end for it that's KDE 4 compatible... Nevyn: Ick...: that GTK based nm is the reason I can't stand the AMD64 Fedora Core 14 KDE 4 Spin...: while its Kororaa derivative doesn't use Gnome's GTK based nm my Wi-Fi still wouldn't cooperate/play nice with our Intel IXP425 based Verizon Actiontec 802.11g router tha |
| 01:57.03 | Craigwd_2000 | FairPoint gave us prior to when I moved in with my current roommate... |
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| 01:59.42 | antivigilante | hmm |
| 01:59.55 | antivigilante | it worked without having to leave |
| 02:00.16 | antivigilante | must be the plasma widget is better |
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| 02:01.31 | nevyn | antivigilante: yay. |
| 02:01.36 | jorgp | !backports |
| 02:01.36 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 02:02.06 | Craigwd_2000 | Antivigilante: What's the Plasma Widget called...? Maybe after I get my ATI/firmware mess sorted & get the kernel working right I could use it get my ATH9K Kernel module to play nice with our new router... |
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| 02:03.11 | antivigilante | one sec |
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| 02:14.46 | antivigilante | plasma-widget-networkmanagement |
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| 02:25.09 | dusthillguy | PENIS FOREVER!!! !!! !!! |
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| 02:29.00 | Craigwd_2000 | Antivigilante: I just googled something about KDE 4 & I've got some great news...: it turns out there's a Debian wicd front-end that's listed by the package name of wicd-kde... Would somebody please tell me how to install all of KDE 4...? In case anyone's wondering...: No: I flat out refuse to reinstall Wheezy via the GUI based much improved Debian Installer just to configure KDE 4 as the default... I already went to |
| 02:29.01 | Craigwd_2000 | trouble of hand compiling my own WINE 1.2.3 & the Debian Installer will probably just blow all of my hard work away... |
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| 02:33.58 | Craigwd_2000 | I couldn't find any meta package for all of KDE 4 & I'm not to happy with the Debian devs about this huge oversight... |
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| 02:36.16 | popcorn1 | .. my situation is way bogus :/ for 6 months now im trying to portforward proparly on my modem so i can reach ssh (22) and ftp (21) and still no dice |
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| 02:36.42 | popcorn1 | i just dont get it, i even enabled DMZ hosting on the specific local ip and that still wont do it, i even called Quest internet service and asked them if they are blocking this kinda of stuff they said no |
| 02:37.00 | un214 | ftp is tricky |
| 02:37.11 | popcorn1 | i connect the box to ClearWire modem, port forward, works like a charm, i connect box to my Quest DSL modem port forward, and DMZ hosting enabled, no dice |
| 02:37.12 | un214 | anyway tcptraceroute is your best friend diagnosing this stuff |
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| 02:38.07 | popcorn1 | can i post a imageshack here? |
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| 02:38.12 | mplabs | Hello guys! |
| 02:38.33 | mplabs | I have a very big problem with computer! |
| 02:39.03 | un214 | linky |
| 02:39.09 | Craigwd_2000 | Will just installing the kdm work for me...? Is that like a universal Debian cheat code for I want all of KDE installed now please...? |
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| 02:39.37 | mplabs | It was all working but suddenly strange things happened. My sound card sometimes crash and the network card seems to not be working at all now. |
| 02:39.38 | un214 | kdm = K display manager = install the KDE themed X login program |
| 02:39.54 | un214 | I don't know a code for all of kde |
| 02:39.55 | abrotman | mplabs: sounds like a hardware problem .. what is your current 'uname -r' ? |
| 02:40.06 | abrotman | !install kde4 |
| 02:40.06 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, the 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". See also <KDE>. |
| 02:40.14 | mplabs | I thought the hardward was somehow broken so what I did yo check that was to try using a Live CD (I'm using one right now) and it all works! |
| 02:40.50 | popcorn1 | un214, http://img824.imageshack.us/i/21412155.jpg/ |
| 02:41.05 | mplabs | more than that, the I couldn't connect to any wifi network, I was using eth0, but from this live cd I can connect to a wifi network |
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| 02:41.21 | mplabs | s/the// |
| 02:42.06 | mplabs | so I don't know what is going on and how I can fix it (I guess I should reinstall it all) :| |
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| 02:42.20 | dvs | dammit! The synaptic side scroll doesn't work in 2.6.38 |
| 02:42.24 | un214 | popcorn1: does 80 work |
| 02:42.38 | popcorn1 | nothing works, not a single port, DMZ is even enabled |
| 02:42.49 | un214 | sorry I can't help you |
| 02:42.58 | popcorn1 | but the entire setup worked 100% with a CLearWire modem.. its just not making sense, recently i updated the Quest DSL modem, and now im giving it a shot again |
| 02:42.59 | mplabs | abrotman: I'm afraid I'm not logged in my system since I don't have internet there anymore |
| 02:42.59 | popcorn1 | no dice :/ |
| 02:43.08 | un214 | unfortunately it's not obvious to me what the problem might be |
| 02:43.24 | un214 | you could try calling Quest for support |
| 02:43.25 | abrotman | mplabs: you're going to have to look through the logs to see if there's anything obvious |
| 02:43.29 | popcorn1 | yeah im trying to right now |
| 02:43.34 | popcorn1 | i hate them. |
| 02:43.43 | popcorn1 | these guys are terrible, they have no clue what they are talking about |
| 02:43.47 | mplabs | ok, I already did and I found something interesting: |
| 02:43.50 | popcorn1 | probaly jerkin it while they trying to get u off the phone |
| 02:45.04 | afiredp1 | how use fbset to set screen resolution 1024 768 |
| 02:45.32 | Craigwd_2000 | Abrotman: thanks a bunch...: Krusader works in LXDE but without the KDE 4 specific Root Mode I can't copy files from my EXT4 partition that's about 3-4 GBs in size... When I first used i486 Parted Magic OS 5.9 to create it somehow it screwed up the partitions...: I own my Root partition but Root owns my /storage partition... How exactly do I correct the permissions...? Could I just copy everything to my ~ after I ins |
| 02:45.32 | Craigwd_2000 | KDE 4 & re-create it with GParted or is there a better, safer less time consuming way to fix the Root ownership issue...? |
| 02:45.32 | mplabs | I don't have any decent browser here lol |
| 02:45.46 | mplabs | (to past the syslog file0 |
| 02:45.48 | mplabs | ) |
| 02:46.30 | abrotman | Craigwd_2000: do you care who owns the data on the other drive later? you could chown |
| 02:47.48 | Craigwd_2000 | Abrotman: yes: I only use Krusader's Root Mode when I really have no other choice & I try to use it sparingly as is for obvious safety reasons... |
| 02:47.49 | mplabs | konqueror crashed, that's just what I was waiting :) |
| 02:47.50 | mplabs | lol |
| 02:48.57 | mplabs | anyway, I will reinstall it all soon, I think it doesn't worth to bother you with that issues now |
| 02:49.01 | mplabs | thank you all! |
| 02:50.00 | un214 | you could just run Krusader as root directly |
| 02:50.21 | un214 | I believe lxde has gtksudo |
| 02:50.43 | un214 | however my rule is if it doesn't work from pure command line it doesn't get root |
| 02:53.36 | Craigwd_2000 | Un214: I personally think that Krusader might not like me trying to use gtksudo to launch it as Root in LXDE...: it's QT4 based for goodness sakes...: not GTK+ based... |
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| 02:54.10 | un214 | what it would probably do is spin up another copy of QT core libraries |
| 02:55.49 | Craigwd_2000 | Un214: Yeah: all the more reason not to do it: my laptop has had way too many Linux episodes of exhausting its RAM & needing to be rebooted in other Linux distros...: thanks but no thanks... |
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| 02:56.22 | un214 | well you could do the rightly horrifying thing and log into X as root |
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| 02:59.37 | Craigwd_2000 | I just need to find a WM that works for me that doesn't chew through RAM like candy as if I have an endless supply of it...: which I don't...: I only have 3 GBs ATM & I'm not planning to upgrade given my nightmarish experiences with WinXP's problematic memory manager/memory exhaustion issues... |
| 03:00.36 | abrotman | blackbox |
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| 03:01.18 | abrotman | Craigwd_2000: xwinman.org .. have fun |
| 03:02.06 | Craigwd_2000 | At least in KDE 4 I can use the Plasma Widget to monitor free memory so that I can reboot given enough warning that I'm running low on free RAM/SWAP space... |
| 03:02.32 | abrotman | i don't thikn you understand how free RAM works in linux |
| 03:02.33 | abrotman | !free ram |
| 03:02.33 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 03:02.42 | amphi | _only_ 3GB? that's a lot of memory |
| 03:02.42 | abrotman | is a decent start |
| 03:02.48 | abrotman | amphi: you old fart :) |
| 03:02.54 | dvs | heh |
| 03:02.58 | amphi | ha |
| 03:03.19 | un214 | 3GB is spacy for a 32 bit linux |
| 03:03.29 | un214 | I used to run with no swap on 512mb |
| 03:03.41 | uoods | i have 2GB and barely ever use more than 700mb |
| 03:03.41 | un214 | only exhausted ram by running a large freecif |
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| 03:05.11 | amphi | webkit is leaking memory nicely here |
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| 03:13.10 | Craigwd_2000 | Abrotman: thanks...: I just realized that I used to use IceWM on an ancient Compaq Presario 3000CTO that I would've kept had my parents not thrown it out (it even had a miniAGP slot with which you could disable the onboard GPU if you installed the optional ATI FireGL TL/2 miniAGP card with 128 MBs of VRAM...)...: I have tons of old m68k & Legacy PowerPC Macs so that Mac OS theme is really tempting... Which version of t |
| 03:13.10 | Craigwd_2000 | Classic Mac OS does it attempt to emulate anyways...? I've used most of the major releases for m68k & Legacy PowerPC Macs except the slow ones that I tend to avoid like the initial release of Mac OS 7.1.3 for the first PowerMac...: the NuBus based PM 6100... |
| 03:13.57 | dvs | Craigwd_2000: abrotman is gone |
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| 03:15.10 | Craigwd_2000 | Oh well: does anybody know more about what the current iteration of IceWM is like...? I wonder how much it has changed since I last used it... |
| 03:17.18 | amphi | xmonad is pleasant, I find, and modest - 9MB here ATM |
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| 03:17.53 | amphi | icewm I haven't seen in a while, and never much cared for |
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| 03:23.36 | popcorn1 | un214, when i try to connect via 22, it says Network error: connection refused |
| 03:23.44 | popcorn1 | un214, so it does see that its there |
| 03:24.45 | popcorn1 | maybe not :/ |
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| 03:45.25 | popcorn1 | well this is getting more bogus by the second :/ i downloaded port checker to check if port 21 and 22 are forwarded correclty, and it came clean |
| 03:45.37 | popcorn1 | and yet the box still refuses to accept connection, any ideas? |
| 03:47.30 | timmey | hey all. is there a good place to suggest a package debian currently does not have? For some reason there is no ActiveMQ package, but there is a RabbitMQ one which is equally or less popular. I don't really mind, just seems odd. I've been making my own. |
| 03:47.50 | timmey | Bug report system? It's fairly trivial. |
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| 03:48.58 | popcornwtf | aww man.. u guys are terrible |
| 03:49.07 | popcornwtf | why didnt you tell me i cant connect to my own box within my own public ip :/ |
| 03:49.09 | popcornwtf | dang |
| 03:49.17 | popcornwtf | you could of saved me 12 months of hard frustration :/ |
| 03:49.20 | popcornwtf | :( /me cryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 03:49.30 | timmey | ... |
| 03:49.40 | popcornwtf | im kidding |
| 03:49.42 | popcornwtf | now im happy |
| 03:49.51 | popcornwtf | jesus.. all i had to do switch to another isp and kaboom... |
| 03:50.03 | popcornwtf | now is there away to fix this? so i can actualy connect to my own box from another house but thats on same isp |
| 03:50.07 | popcornwtf | wow thanks f god this is done with |
| 03:50.08 | un214 | because it's supposed to work |
| 03:50.16 | un214 | but it doesn't on some consumer routers |
| 03:51.11 | popcornwtf | ah ok |
| 03:51.14 | popcornwtf | im terrible :/ |
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| 03:58.01 | popcornwtf | i |
| 03:58.04 | popcornwtf | forgot how talented i was :/ |
| 03:58.35 | timmey | I'll try one more time: Anyone know where to request/suggest a new package? I found this, but nowhere to actually send a suggestion: |
| 03:58.35 | timmey | http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/requested |
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| 03:59.34 | timmey | I see people are making bugs, so maybe I'll just do that. Not really a bug though. |
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| 04:08.33 | popcorn1 | un214, would the correct address be http://ip/~user/file |
| 04:08.48 | un214 | sorry don't understand |
| 04:09.01 | popcorn1 | accessing the www folder or the public_html |
| 04:09.25 | popcorn1 | i have no issues uploading anything via ftp, but keep getting errors retriving the page, im guessing im using the wrong address in a way |
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| 04:11.06 | popcorn1 | :/ |
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| 04:11.29 | popcorn1 | un214, http://192.168.0.50/~sixfish/index.html |
| 04:11.37 | un214 | might work |
| 04:11.43 | un214 | depends on apache settings |
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| 04:11.47 | popcorn1 | is there another way |
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| 04:11.59 | un214 | that's internal IP |
| 04:12.06 | popcorn1 | correct just showing example |
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| 04:12.45 | popcorn1 | brb |
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| 04:22.42 | gaysex998 | are you guys mad |
| 04:23.10 | gaysex998 | y u mad |
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| 04:44.05 | pingfloyd | in dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config I wonder if it is a good idea to enable "Keep Number of DNS-queries minimal (Dial-on-Demand)" for laptops. |
| 04:44.26 | pingfloyd | since laptops are rather mobile and won't always be connected to a network |
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| 05:22.37 | austinium | Hi, iam trying to develop a tool which allows users to check the network connectivity between their machines and a set of others machines(say 4) on the network, the user saves the IP Addresses of those machines just once and from then on just runs the tool and gets ping statistics (%packet loss), running ping sequentially is time consuming, is there any way i could run multiple ping commands in parallel, redirecting stdout to diffe |
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| 05:47.49 | nevyn | austinium: so how is your app different from mtr? |
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| 05:48.29 | austinium | nevyn, if mtr doesn this, it'll save me quite a lot of work, you have a link on it? |
| 05:48.47 | nevyn | apt-get install mtr ? |
| 05:48.49 | nevyn | mtr somehost |
| 05:49.08 | austinium | thanks i'll look that up |
| 05:49.33 | nevyn | austinium: so mtr will do the statistics gathering |
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| 05:50.05 | nevyn | a small ammount of shell scripting around it and you should be bannans |
| 05:50.25 | austinium | :) |
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| 05:54.40 | austinium | is there an option to get mtr to work on multiple IPs simultaneously? |
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| 05:55.11 | austinium | mtr -rc5 <ip-address> gets the stats for 1 ip address, is there a way i could run it for say 5 IPs? |
| 05:55.18 | austinium | in the same command |
| 05:56.03 | nevyn | just run it 5 times in a shell script redirecting to files. |
| 05:56.46 | austinium | got it, -a |
| 05:57.01 | nevyn | there's an option. |
| 05:57.03 | nevyn | wow. |
| 05:57.22 | nevyn | it seemed the sort of feature it might have tho. |
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| 05:57.32 | nevyn | austinium: problem solved? |
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| 05:58.36 | austinium | it is not working for more than two IPs |
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| 06:02.09 | austinium | my bad, the -a option is for binding the outgoing requests to a specific IP address ( i think its time for some coffee ) |
| 06:04.56 | Coudy | HI, I had debian squeeze stable, but xen didn't work because know bug, so I upgraded to testing, and now server won't boot, kernel crash few second after start xen amd64 kernel |
| 06:04.56 | Coudy | what now ? |
| 06:04.56 | Coudy | test |
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| 06:10.22 | gnugr | austinium: first with " ifconfig " you will know each machin's ip, write all them down and then check them with this: " aptitude fping -s -g 192.168.0.1 192.168.0.9 -r 1 " this will ping machines from 1 to 9 |
| 06:13.58 | austinium | gnugr: thanks, i think this should do it :) |
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| 06:15.30 | gnugr | !tell Coudy -about virtualization |
| 06:16.20 | gnugr | Coudy: try there #debian-xen |
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| 06:16.33 | Coudy | gnugr, ok, thx |
| 06:21.57 | Coudy | gnugr, debian-xen is empty , only me is there |
| 06:25.40 | warp0x00 | i remember xen BEFORE it sold out |
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| 06:26.04 | gnugr | Coudy: try this : http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
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| 06:26.51 | Coudy | gnugr, I've installed xen based on this wiki, but I have other problem, xen kernel crash at startup, and screen is black, can't see any error, |
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| 06:30.19 | gnugr | Coudy: did you run " update-grub2 " ? |
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| 06:33.10 | Coudy | gnugr, I have upgraded from stable (squeeze) to testing, , grub was updated during script, I have tried it manually, but didn't help |
| 06:33.53 | Coudy | gnugr, I have just realised, that server is working, booting, but only screen is off (black) |
| 06:34.05 | Coudy | reboot |
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| 06:35.01 | gnugr | Coudy: try " /etc/init.d/xend restart " |
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| 06:37.56 | Coudy | gnugr, can stop/start/restart, but screen is still black, I think that some module is missing in xen kernel |
| 06:38.26 | Coudy | gnugr, I have only text mode, and wide monitor |
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| 06:43.20 | Phoul | !firefox4 |
| 06:43.26 | Phoul | dern |
| 06:43.42 | Phoul | Is there a proper way to install firefox 4 on debian testing lol |
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| 06:44.34 | cuckoohello | #ubuntu-cn |
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| 06:47.42 | ompaul | Phoul: the answer is complex, basically there is an iceweasel4 in the repos in experimental --- WARNING --- I said experimental --- so unless you are afflicted with "teh shiny" newest must be best you should have a good reason to install it - after all you get patches for problems |
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| 06:48.26 | peterrooney | !sns syndrome |
| 06:48.26 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 06:48.33 | Phoul | rolls his eyes |
| 06:49.02 | superlinux | hi. how using the shell scripting make sure that this drive is really a cdrom? |
| 06:49.14 | peterrooney | Phoul: that said, from source (Mozilla & friends use mercurial, IIRC) should work |
| 06:49.32 | red2kic | What about chromium? I tested Debian on VM last night. I see we're on 6.0 |
| 06:49.40 | peterrooney | Phoul: I recall jumping through some hoops trying out their minefield version |
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| 06:51.00 | Phoul | Ok, Well. The question was is there a proper way, and the answer is "No". Thanks =), Can handle it from here. |
| 06:51.03 | ompaul | red2kic: and it fails with some sites (ssl ones) |
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| 06:51.18 | red2kic | ompaul: You mean the chromium 6 or chromium 10? |
| 06:51.19 | ompaul | Phoul: the answer is grey |
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| 06:52.07 | ompaul | red2kic: was with someone the day before yesterday and it failed on him (strange behaviour) - don't use it myself |
| 06:53.01 | red2kic | ompaul: I see. I was thinking that debian might be the good choice for elderly folks. what do you suggest for web browser? The default one? ;o |
| 06:53.13 | ompaul | yes |
| 06:53.33 | ompaul | default in stable makes my father happy at 74 years |
| 06:53.53 | red2kic | heh |
| 06:53.56 | ompaul | and he upgrades and installs his own software |
| 06:54.07 | ompaul | he was a PHB before he retired |
| 06:54.15 | red2kic | PHB? |
| 06:54.27 | ompaul | pointy haired boss (see scott adams) |
| 06:54.37 | Tordek | I just installed 2.6.38 and vim seems really unresponsive... lik, I'll type somethig an it may not registe or i may repearrt severa times |
| 06:54.48 | Tordek | ...ok, not just vim; all of uxterm |
| 06:55.10 | ompaul | Tordek: don't you think that it might be your keyboard or wm not the kernel (at least I would) |
| 06:55.26 | Seb | snickers |
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| 06:55.35 | Tordek | my wm is monad and it didn't update |
| 06:55.43 | Tordek | *xmonad, dammit |
| 06:55.44 | Seb | Tordek: run top, see what's using CPU and/or swapping |
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| 06:56.29 | Tordek | topmost app is a flash video at ~15% |
| 06:56.38 | ompaul | shut it down |
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| 06:57.12 | Tordek | well, you know... even if it is the problem (as it seems to be, apparently)... what theheck? |
| 06:57.33 | ompaul | complain to adobe |
| 06:58.02 | red2kic | Tordek: 32bit or 64bit? |
| 06:58.07 | Tordek | red2kic: 64 |
| 06:58.09 | Seb | 15% wouldn't make the whole system unresponsive |
| 06:58.29 | red2kic | Tordek: Meh. I have the same thing (oh I'm not on Debian). Flash is flaky on 64bit. :\ |
| 06:58.29 | ompaul | Seb: 1/4 a gig of ram in a vm it might |
| 06:58.34 | Seb | Tordek: top, then hit capital 'm' |
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| 06:58.58 | Seb | ompaul: i don't see how cpu usage relates to ram usage |
| 06:59.01 | Tordek | Seb: iceweasel at 5% |
| 06:59.07 | red2kic | Tordek: I just youtube-dl -- but it's a hassle. Maybe 32bit will fix it. :P |
| 06:59.21 | Seb | Tordek: so no swapping, then ? |
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| 06:59.32 | ompaul | Seb: you just said the magic word |
| 06:59.38 | Tordek | I've typedsome more and it's still eatinsome charactes |
| 06:59.42 | Seb | ompaul: ? |
| 06:59.45 | superlinux | hi. how, using the shell scripting, can I make sure that this drive is really a cdrom? |
| 06:59.45 | Tordek | Seb: nope 0% |
| 06:59.46 | ompaul | swapping |
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| 06:59.59 | Seb | Tordek: how does that related to cpu usage again ? |
| 07:00.06 | Seb | relate* |
| 07:00.10 | Seb | hrm |
| 07:00.14 | Tordek | Seb: you asked :s |
| 07:00.15 | Seb | ompaul: how does that related to cpu usage again ? |
| 07:00.22 | red2kic | Simple question. First CD is for installation. What is that other CD{2..100} for? |
| 07:00.22 | Seb | Tordek: yeah wrong target :) |
| 07:00.22 | ompaul | work done to keep it current |
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| 07:00.46 | Tordek | red2kic: more packages |
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| 07:01.18 | Tordek | yep, it keeps eating characters. I have to type slowly for it to work. |
| 07:01.19 | red2kic | Tordek: I see. It is useful for whom? Third world countries? |
| 07:01.30 | red2kic | Or those with slow connections? |
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| 07:02.04 | red2kic | Help me bridging the gap in my understanding of why people are doing this. |
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| 07:03.03 | ompaul | Tordek: (I don't know that wm) but one reason is if you have turned on some accessibility tool, which brings the wm to an almost standstill |
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| 07:07.06 | Tordek | okay... after half an hour of the problem, it seems to have disappeared. I've started the video again to check |
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| 07:08.00 | Tordek | my only change, whatever relevance it may bring, was disabling the quick-access to accessibility keys (like press shift 5 times for sticky keys) and the system bell from the KDE systemsettings panel... |
| 07:08.14 | Tordek | this has been... odd... |
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| 07:10.07 | peterrooney | red2kic: some install locations may not have a high speed connection |
| 07:10.36 | red2kic | peterrooney: Thank you. |
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| 07:12.05 | Tordek | red2kic: btw, since packages are in the popularity contest, the first few CDs have the most common packages |
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| 07:17.18 | siavashserver | hi |
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| 07:17.59 | cusco | hi |
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| 07:18.23 | siavashserver | sorry, may i discuss something regards to a poll here? |
| 07:18.58 | siavashserver | or #debian-offtopic ? |
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| 07:22.02 | Seb | yawns |
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| 07:23.51 | siavashserver | I'm trying to collect information about Linux gamers hardware specs, if you are interested please take a look at this poll : http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/521555 |
| 07:23.55 | blast_hardcheese | So, I'm not entirely sure why, but df -h reports 10 gigs used on /, but du -shx / only lists about 1gb used. Where are the other 9 gigs? |
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| 07:25.21 | siavashserver | blast_hardcheese, they are reserved/in standby |
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| 07:27.34 | blast_hardcheese | siavashserver: Fair enough. Is there any way to reclaim that, in an attempt to get a more realistic reading from df? |
| 07:28.19 | siavashserver | blast_hardcheese, no idea, sorry dude |
| 07:28.45 | blast_hardcheese | Not a problem, you were able to at least set me on the right path :) |
| 07:28.56 | siavashserver | :) |
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| 07:30.36 | blast_hardcheese | I'm in the process of reinstalling, accidentally installed i386 on my new Core i7. Didn't notice until I ran out of RAM. |
| 07:33.24 | blast_hardcheese | siavashserver: Oh wow, hah; I wasn't counting an 8 gig dot file in the root filesystem. That's probably where the other 8 gigs went ;) |
| 07:35.10 | siavashserver | blast_hardcheese, my bad. i thought you are talking about free memory -.- |
| 07:35.18 | siavashserver | is going blind |
| 07:36.03 | blast_hardcheese | Ah, no; I've had sparse files take up more space than they should, I just thought this was kvm being weird. |
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| 07:36.34 | blast_hardcheese | "reserved/in standby" inodes is kind of a weird concept though, but hey ;) |
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| 07:36.58 | siavashserver | hehe |
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| 07:38.40 | blast_hardcheese | Well, here goes nothing... reinstalling is always kind of nervewracking |
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| 07:39.50 | blast_hardcheese | at least when you're trying to not lose data |
| 07:41.14 | Tordek | ugh, it came back |
| 07:41.31 | Tordek | if I press keys too quickly, it ignores some |
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| 07:41.41 | blast_hardcheese | ? |
| 07:42.14 | Dewi | Tordek: I used to have that problem with kde on high-latency lines |
| 07:42.18 | Tordek | I'm having input issues; mentioned it a bit ago |
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| 07:42.46 | siavashserver | can someone please help me to find the middle number here? ^^ |
| 07:42.48 | Dewi | Tordek: that's all I know though. |
| 07:42.56 | Tordek | Dewi: er... "kopete running locally" is hardly a high latency ine |
| 07:42.56 | siavashserver | 012345 |
| 07:43.07 | Dewi | Tordek: I didn't say it was |
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| 07:43.51 | Dewi | Tordek: it indicates kde has quite small buffers |
| 07:44.13 | Tordek | Dewi: did you manage to fix it? |
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| 07:44.23 | Dewi | Tordek: only by avoiding kde |
| 07:44.26 | Dewi | :P |
| 07:44.28 | Tordek | :/ |
| 07:44.45 | empiric | guy i want to do sudo with ldap , i craete sudoers ou in ldap and group sysadmin in ldap. all i wnat is only sysadmin group can ssh and do sudo su |
| 07:44.54 | empiric | what strep i want to do this |
| 07:45.15 | empiric | sudoers_debug 2 sudoers_base ou=sudoers,dc=example,dc=pk |
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| 07:45.52 | empiric | i add this in /etc/ldap.conf file as well and do changes in pam.d/common-auth , passowrd , session files i can do ssh from ldap usres |
| 07:46.00 | empiric | but ldap user can not do sudo su |
| 07:46.07 | empiric | what i am missing any idea |
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| 07:47.19 | gnugr | empitic: try System > administrator > users and groups and allow user to use sudo |
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| 07:47.45 | gnugr | empiric: |
| 07:48.11 | empiric | wht |
| 07:48.25 | empiric | gnugr i know i am missing a single point but i am |
| 07:48.38 | empiric | any idea how i do it |
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| 07:50.15 | gnugr | empiric: try System > administrator > users and groups and allow user to use sudo, you will see option to do that |
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| 07:50.52 | mali | hey.. for some odd reason when I do usermod -a -G extra-group username |
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| 07:51.06 | mali | as root, it doesn't add the group to my user :/ |
| 07:51.16 | mali | any ideas? as I am sure it hsoudl be *that* simple |
| 07:51.20 | mali | should* |
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| 07:52.06 | mali | nlet's try nevyn ;p |
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| 07:53.08 | mali | I am trying to add my user to www-data group |
| 07:53.17 | mali | and allow www-data to write to /var/www |
| 07:53.21 | mali | as group |
| 07:53.34 | mali | this is on a closed offline dev server |
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| 07:54.22 | mali | ...and silence...covered the land.... |
| 07:54.51 | mali | for soem reason, that old B- no C-movie return of the living dead 2 comes to mind |
| 07:55.15 | mali | tried -aG -a -G -a grp |
| 07:55.20 | gnugr | mali: you want to chown? |
| 07:55.25 | mali | no |
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| 07:55.36 | mali | I want to add user to another group (www-data) |
| 07:55.43 | mali | so I do su: |
| 07:55.53 | blast_hardcheese | mali: usermod -a -G www-data <user> |
| 07:55.54 | mali | usermod -a -G www-data username |
| 07:56.00 | mali | yup, doesn't work :/ |
| 07:56.06 | mali | when I exit the shell, and issue |
| 07:56.08 | blast_hardcheese | "doesn't work" |
| 07:56.14 | mali | gruoups Im sitll not in it |
| 07:56.19 | mali | and I can't write to group folders |
| 07:56.20 | blast_hardcheese | Have you tried logging out and logging back in? |
| 07:56.23 | mali | nope, |
| 07:56.24 | mali | darn |
| 07:56.25 | mali | :/ |
| 07:56.25 | blast_hardcheese | groups are applied at next login |
| 07:56.36 | mali | thanks blast_hardcheese , silly men thought it would auto-refresh |
| 07:56.53 | mali | arrrg I have so much crap open.. do I *really have to lg out again?* :/ |
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| 07:57.03 | mali | or can I like do somethign nifty in a side tty :p |
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| 07:57.08 | punxos | Hi |
| 07:57.13 | blast_hardcheese | mali: of course, you can do whatever you want |
| 07:57.18 | mali | . /etc/groups.def (if that existed say :P) |
| 07:57.23 | blast_hardcheese | Just log in from another tty, or ssh to localhost, or whatever. |
| 07:57.30 | mali | ok thanks blast_hardcheese !!! |
| 07:57.55 | blast_hardcheese | mali: The problem is that the current X session knows about the groups, and you can't inject into every single running process the new group configuration |
| 07:57.58 | ethanol | morning |
| 07:58.29 | mali | ye blast_hardcheese : it makes sense, it just didn't strike me.. I just went 'wtf' :) typical me |
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| 07:58.41 | blast_hardcheese | mali: We know ;) |
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| 07:58.52 | mali | it worked indeed when I logged in in a tty, hopefully it propagates now in the X as I have so much I don't wanna close :/ |
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| 07:59.11 | mali | after 5 days I normally have worked myself up to about 600 werb pages open and umptenth text files :/ |
| 07:59.14 | blast_hardcheese | mali: You seem to not have read what I said |
| 07:59.19 | mali | ye ye.. that's just how I am :) |
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| 07:59.27 | mali | yes, I did.. about the running processes |
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| 07:59.50 | blast_hardcheese | It won't "propagate", since that's not how that works |
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| 08:00.01 | mali | ok |
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| 08:00.25 | mali | ah well |
| 08:00.53 | blast_hardcheese | I don't know what a werb page is, but the way I solve this problem is by not doing serious work on machines that run X. |
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| 08:01.09 | mali | I will for this one session just do chmod o+wr on that file then |
| 08:01.16 | mali | folder and update it when I reboot. |
| 08:01.29 | blast_hardcheese | If I want to do real work on a machine that runs X, I'll run a virtualized environment. |
| 08:01.41 | mali | yesh, thats what she said in the year 40 029 |
| 08:01.57 | mali | sheesh. you still on that bloody gui? etc :) |
| 08:02.39 | mali | well, this 'real' work is updating a how-to , it really isn't quantum inference induced esponiage work |
| 08:02.48 | mali | add hyphen where it is missing |
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| 08:02.53 | mali | anyway.. thx |
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| 08:03.03 | blast_hardcheese | No prob |
| 08:03.05 | blast_hardcheese | Good luck |
| 08:03.08 | mali | :) |
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| 08:04.24 | blast_hardcheese | Hmm. |
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| 08:04.48 | blast_hardcheese | So, Just pulled the most recent d-i netboot image, |
| 08:05.06 | blast_hardcheese | when the disks are probed it finds all partitions and all that, |
| 08:05.20 | blast_hardcheese | then the partition block devices disappear, and further work is impossible |
| 08:05.29 | blast_hardcheese | Is there a way to rescan partitions? |
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| 08:07.13 | Karen_m | I'm using mumble-server, and I notice that mumble-server-web REQUIRES apache2. I'm using nginx. Does anyone know a method to get a mumble web manager on nginx? |
| 08:07.49 | ethanol | Karen_m: maybe if you build it from source? I guess the package has a dependency on apache set? |
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| 08:09.27 | petemc | Karen_m: it looks to depends on apache2 or httpd, which nginx provides |
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| 08:09.53 | ethanol | Depends: perl, mumble-server (>= 1.2.2-6), apache2, exim4 | mail-transport-agent, libnet-dbus-perl, libcgi-session-perl, libhtml-template-perl, php-zeroc-ice, ice33-translators | ice32-translators | |
| 08:09.53 | ethanol | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:09.53 | petemc | Karen_m: is your nginx installed via the packaging system? |
| 08:09.57 | ethanol | I only see apache2 |
| 08:09.58 | ethanol | not httpd |
| 08:10.04 | Karen_m | petemc, i did; aptitude install -R mumble-server-web, and it still tries apache2, unfortunately |
| 08:10.04 | Karen_m | yes |
| 08:10.13 | Karen_m | nginx is installed from dotdeb |
| 08:10.18 | petemc | Depends: perl, mumble-server (>= 1.1.4-4+lenny1), apache2 | httpd |
| 08:10.31 | petemc | oh, im on lenny on that box |
| 08:10.43 | ethanol | petemc: upgrade! >:o |
| 08:10.46 | petemc | :) |
| 08:10.46 | mali | blast_hardcheese, perhaps if you in a tty do a cfdisk or fdisk partitioning to write a new partition table or so, the net installer *might* rescan them.. not sure but I first did something, screwed up the part ioning, it said I had to reboot but then did something and got my jfs fs going |
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| 08:11.42 | ethanol | too bad there is no lmde channel on this network :( |
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| 08:11.50 | ethanol | it's pretty sweet I might add |
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| 08:12.29 | blast_hardcheese | mali: Brilliant, totally forgot that using fdisk to write the partition table would cause a partition sync |
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| 08:12.32 | blast_hardcheese | Thanks |
| 08:12.55 | erAbuelo | buenos dias |
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| 08:15.07 | mali | no worries |
| 08:15.14 | mali | you scratch my back, I scratch yours |
| 08:15.25 | mali | next time however, don't insinuate when you talk to someone they are stupid |
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| 08:15.36 | mali | just because they have their ways of doing things x |
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| 08:16.58 | blast_hardcheese | mali: Please excuse me, but I'm not seeing where I insinuated that you were stupid |
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| 08:18.38 | mali | well, it sounded like you were telling me as if I would have no idea about why I would be using X or not, for whatever I was doing, that's all. |
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| 08:19.29 | blast_hardcheese | Not at all, I was merely stating that this is a known problem, and a way to work around it is to not do any system-level work on a machine that runs X11. Have workstations and servers, even if the servers are virtual. |
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| 08:21.02 | mali | true.. and ye, the servers are normally in vm's but I just now have the chance to wipe my disks clean so am just running some tests, (like trying out JFS for example). Anyway, my bad.. it's probably just a backlash from another day :) |
| 08:21.30 | blast_hardcheese | mali: Also, I'm starting to think that the most recent amd64 d-i is actually broken, since even when I get the system to recognize the partitions again it refuses to continue. |
| 08:21.38 | blast_hardcheese | time for... EXPERT MODE |
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| 08:21.39 | mali | blah |
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| 08:21.44 | mali | could be |
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| 08:21.52 | blast_hardcheese | grabs his cape |
| 08:22.10 | mali | I don't know, I just know that I saw the same effects you spoke off, and I went into fdisk or so to get it up and going again. |
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| 08:22.32 | mali | but I also got a doesnt want to continue , then I fixed it. I even came with a proposal to oh wait that was something else. |
| 08:22.59 | mali | the installer.. will *always* when setting up an encrypted (LVM) or whatever, do a dd if=/dev/urandom of/dev/sdX it seems |
| 08:23.07 | mali | now, that can get annoying when you do a re-install or two :) |
| 08:23.09 | blast_hardcheese | oh wow |
| 08:23.13 | blast_hardcheese | That sucks |
| 08:23.24 | mali | I would prefer if I could say I have just done one pass, please let me continue! |
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| 08:23.40 | mali | without it, as it takes quite a while to zero out disks these days |
| 08:23.54 | blast_hardcheese | wouldn't it be /dev/zero then? |
| 08:23.58 | mali | yes |
| 08:24.02 | mali | but point being |
| 08:24.12 | blast_hardcheese | /dev/urandom would not only take lots of time, but it would also burn your CPU |
| 08:24.20 | mali | it zeros or garbages the disk, both take equal anoint of time, which is my point in this case |
| 08:24.28 | mali | eh? |
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| 08:24.54 | mali | hmm, if you are in the process of experimenting, try setting up an encrypted LVM then |
| 08:25.06 | ethanol | Karen_m: did you solve your issue yet? |
| 08:25.17 | mali | I think it said, wait whilst the ddisk is filled with random somethign something, which to me implied /dev/urandom |
| 08:25.33 | mali | but perhaps I was just tired and assumed something.. son't know |
| 08:25.36 | mali | don't* |
| 08:26.21 | ethanol | Karen_m: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/all/mumble-server-web/filelist considering the tiny amount of files, I imagine you could just grab the .deb, extract them and set them up in your nginx environment manually. |
| 08:26.47 | ethanol | Karen_m: pretty lame they enforce a dependency on apache2. |
| 08:27.00 | babilen | mali: Ask in #debian-boot on irc.debian.net and file a wishlist bug against debian-installer. Complaining here won't achieve anything. |
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| 08:27.21 | mali | babilen, I wasn't complaining, but observing and discussing with blast_hardcheese |
| 08:27.22 | Karen_m | ethanol, what I am going to do is use mumble-server, and then install MumPI to admin it instead of mumble-server-web |
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| 08:27.27 | babilen | mali: irc.debian.org that is :) |
| 08:27.29 | Karen_m | I am trying that now, thank you! |
| 08:27.36 | mali | hehe. no worries |
| 08:27.59 | ethanol | Karen_m: you're welcome :) |
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| 08:31.40 | themill | !dbugs 570461 |
| 08:32.28 | blast_hardcheese | oh jeez, it's already 1:30AM... I've been battling with this for way too long. |
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| 08:32.54 | themill | Karen_m: see #570461; the maintainer has a (fairly limited) justification for the dependency on apache there. Perhaps you'd be willing to provide suitable config files for other httpds. |
| 08:32.58 | mali | hehe blast_hardcheese : that's been my days lately.. I keep re-installing now that I have a disk I can wipe :p |
| 08:33.06 | mali | and the days just FLYYYYYY |
| 08:34.40 | mali | the only sequential ber-mini test I did so far to check jfs was hdparm, but was indeed quite an improvement there, but hmm, ye. Will have to test it over some weeks. upgrading to sid took ages, and sounded like my harddisk wanted to retire |
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| 08:37.59 | blast_hardcheese | mali: Why sid? I used to run sid, but found that testing solved all the problems I was trying to solve with sid |
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| 08:40.55 | blast_hardcheese | holy crap, this is broken |
| 08:41.01 | blast_hardcheese | unusable |
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| 08:42.48 | Karen_m | !dbugs 570461 |
| 08:43.25 | themill | Karen_m: dpkg isn't around atm; use web interface; bugs.debian.org/570461 |
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| 08:44.25 | mali | blast_hardcheese, well .. it's like this.. I wish to run stable server in August, in meantime, I wish to get used to debian so thought , I'd throw myself in the deep end with sid.. as A. I been using ubuntu/arch/calculate linux/(LFS briefly)/and debian just a bit (suse, mandrake and rh was way way long ago) so anyway .. ye.. I just thought I 'd give it a try.. this is not my "final decision".. I am just out and about testing things so sid so |
| 08:44.26 | mali | unded good to me |
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| 08:45.07 | blast_hardcheese | mali: Try testing. All the benefits of a rolling system, most of the stability of stable. |
| 08:45.21 | mali | and don't know, just feel it's either stable or unstable. Testing has security updates so will be better, but then *if* something breaks, only when one has been around debian a while can one quickly resport to fixes is how I see ity |
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| 08:46.47 | Ecco | Hi everyone. Quick question : is there a way to install a given package with 'less' dependencies |
| 08:46.56 | mali | I will keep ti mind blast.. my idea was this: in August I start a small business and will set up a server, an old box for a firewall and 3 desktops. by then I hope I am more used to various bits and bobs with debian , and then I will see if testing is cool for my desktop (one desktop.. aka mine will be also my personal 'play' desktop , can break a bit) |
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| 08:47.32 | streuner | Ecco: no |
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| 08:47.52 | mali | hmm aptitude --no-recommends or so , Ecco man aptitude will give you the option although not sure if aptitude installs recommended deps automatically. the *actual* dependencies you can't avoid |
| 08:47.53 | Ecco | Really ? I thought there was a way to install "lighter" version of some packages |
| 08:47.56 | mali | then you need to go slackware ;) |
| 08:47.59 | streuner | Ecco: Does the package has a name? |
| 08:48.00 | Ecco | mali : yeah, that's it :-) |
| 08:48.08 | Ecco | Thanks :-) |
| 08:48.24 | mali | well do man aptitude.. i'm not sure if the aptitude db has it, but apt does |
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| 08:49.32 | mali | by the way, if I wish some scripts I write to be launched for each new user, where would I place /define them in debian? |
| 08:49.45 | mali | /etc/skel? |
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| 08:50.07 | babilen | mali: no, and launched how/when? |
| 08:50.50 | mali | babilen, say for each user I wish them to have their bashrc updated with custom_system aliases and also copy over some global function commands |
| 08:51.21 | babilen | mali: So you want to change the default configuration for each user and not actually launch any scripts? |
| 08:51.35 | mali | I think both.. |
| 08:51.36 | babilen | mali: each *newly created* user that is |
| 08:51.43 | mali | yes, newly* |
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| 08:52.13 | mali | I might want to try and run a script which needs some info at creation time, so I 'd suspect both.. the default copying over would be etc/skel right? |
| 08:52.30 | babilen | mali: The files in /etc/skel/ are copied into the home directory of newly created users, so it is the right place to change this configuration. |
| 08:52.54 | babilen | mali: This does not effect existing users though. |
| 08:52.55 | mali | okidokie, and if I wish to create some nre |
| 08:53.01 | mali | no, babilen only new users is fine.. |
| 08:53.02 | babilen | nre? |
| 08:53.18 | mali | but I also would like when a new user is created to create a few home directories for them.. |
| 08:53.44 | blast_hardcheese | mali: /etc/skel? |
| 08:53.46 | babilen | create them in /etc/skel/ |
| 08:53.49 | mali | so I would need a small script to launch adduser -> "launches new_user_ |
| 08:53.51 | mali | ok, thanks |
| 08:54.41 | babilen | mali: or do you *really* need to do this when the user is created? (as, for example, the name of these directories is changing based on the time of creation) |
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| 08:55.51 | babilen | mali: /etc/skel/ is just copied over -- anything you have in there will be in the home directory of new users created with adduser |
| 08:56.19 | mali | well, no, noty if I can also add directories there |
| 08:56.26 | themill | see also /usr/local/sbin/adduser.local and adduser(8) |
| 08:57.24 | mali | so a new user would automatically have: ~/dirs-structureA /dir-structure2 say, plus files copied over .. so it seems skel is the answer yes |
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| 08:57.59 | mali | no, the dirs can be static, so skel should do it, I just wasn't sure . it's been a while. |
| 08:58.18 | babilen | mali: just wanted to clarify :) |
| 08:58.24 | blast_hardcheese | oh ffs. |
| 08:58.31 | babilen | blast_hardcheese: hmm? |
| 08:58.53 | blast_hardcheese | d-i's environment is so crippled |
| 08:59.00 | blast_hardcheese | modprobe exists, but no rmmod. |
| 08:59.13 | blast_hardcheese | wget exists, but no ping. |
| 08:59.18 | babilen | modprobe -r? |
| 08:59.24 | blast_hardcheese | I just want to install this damn system |
| 09:00.02 | blast_hardcheese | babilen: Ah, awesome. Well, that solves that problem at least, let's see if I can get d-i to stop being broken |
| 09:00.26 | babilen | no idea, hard to help if you don't tell us what you perceive as broken |
| 09:00.32 | sephii | What are you guys using for usb auto mount ? |
| 09:00.47 | mali | sephii, if you are getting the error of permiisions denied? |
| 09:00.56 | mali | do nano /etc/fstab |
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| 09:01.06 | babilen | sephii: nautilus is a common choice -- I don't do any automounting. Can't tell you what the other 1037 users do, sorry :) |
| 09:01.08 | timo | sephii: I'm using usbmount |
| 09:01.10 | mali | and comment out the usb entries of your disk, which were added during install... then |
| 09:01.13 | mali | they will automount |
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| 09:01.22 | mali | or should |
| 09:01.23 | sephii | mali: Nope, but I was using halevt but it seems like it was dropped from sid |
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| 09:01.40 | babilen | mali: You make a lot of assumptions about sephii's problem :) |
| 09:01.46 | mali | if based on hal.. hal is getting deprecated.. |
| 09:02.02 | blast_hardcheese | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/114078/ |
| 09:02.05 | mali | do you comment on everyone who is in a channel or is it just me babilen? |
| 09:02.16 | babilen | sephii: fwiw - I am happily using pmount these days, but that is no automounter. |
| 09:02.19 | mali | I said IF |
| 09:02.24 | sephii | timo: I tried it too and it seems to be letting all the symlinks in /var/run/usbmount... the advantage of halevt is that it deleted the mountpoints when you unplugged the device |
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| 09:03.18 | themill | %automount |
| 09:03.19 | dselect | If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <halevt>, <ivman> or <usb mount>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>. |
| 09:03.32 | timo | sephii: ah, you're right about that. it seems I still have a symlink there for my external usb, which is not plugged in atm |
| 09:04.22 | sephii | I tried ivman too, but it was quite of randomly functioning, like if the device was plugged at boot time sometimes it didn't get mounted |
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| 09:05.59 | babilen | sephii: thunar-volman might be worth a look too (haven't tried it) -- But I am quite happy to mount and umount the devices manually with pmount. YMMV |
| 09:06.06 | sephii | Also ivman uses hal if I believe dselect |
| 09:06.21 | blast_hardcheese | babilen: No ideas? |
| 09:06.23 | sephii | babilen: I think I'll try the pmount approach thanks |
| 09:06.46 | themill | sephii: it does, but hal still exists so that's not a problem |
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| 09:07.23 | babilen | sephii: It is the tool that worked best. nautilus is another option since they merged the gnome-volume-manager code into it, but might not be what you want (nautilus --no-desktop) |
| 09:07.45 | babilen | sephii: I make the assumption that you use a light window manager that does not already provide this functionality |
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| 09:09.22 | babilen | blast_hardcheese: No, not really. Sound like either your sata/ide/scsi/whatever controller is not supported by the kernel/installer or some other problem. You could try to ping the d-i developers in #debian-boot (irc.debian.org) or file a bug. More information (exact hardware specifications/pciids/lspci -nn output) would be advantageous |
| 09:10.44 | babilen | blast_hardcheese: I have never encountered this problem before and guess that it is related to your hardware, rather than a general problem in debian's installer. If it would be a general problem there would be a raging mob of angry users in here ;) |
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| 09:11.36 | blast_hardcheese | babilen: Installing etch i386 on this machine worked without a hitch |
| 09:11.51 | babilen | blast_hardcheese: but squeeze does not? |
| 09:12.16 | blast_hardcheese | Neither squeeze nor wheezy work. I believe this is a problem with the most recent d-i environment. |
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| 09:12.26 | sephii | babilen: I'm using awesome yep |
| 09:12.43 | blast_hardcheese | I'm trying the amd64 lenny netboot image now |
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| 09:12.48 | Karen_m | I am trying to get php with "ice" setup, I installed the php-zeroc-ice, how do I see which files it installed? |
| 09:13.01 | blast_hardcheese | dpkg -L php-zeroc-ice |
| 09:13.18 | babilen | blast_hardcheese: definitely a regression then ... ping the maintainers/file a bug, they are much more familiar with d-i than I am :-\ |
| 09:13.28 | babilen | sephii: same here :) |
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| 09:13.39 | Karen_m | thank you! |
| 09:13.57 | blast_hardcheese | babilen: Once I figure out whether or not it's hardware or regression I'll ping them. The paste I linked earlier was what I said in #debian-boot |
| 09:14.19 | babilen | blast_hardcheese: Ah :) -- I did not know that ... |
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| 09:14.29 | babilen | and? what did they reply? |
| 09:15.05 | blast_hardcheese | SIlience, there are only 92 people in there, probably sleeping or busy |
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| 09:15.35 | empiric | gnugr u there |
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| 09:16.29 | babilen | blast_hardcheese: There are always mailing lists and the wonderful virtue of patience. Sorry, would have loved to help but it is hard to go on without further information and a deeper understanding of d-i. I would also try lenny and if it is just to be able to argue "lenny: works -- squeeze: fucked" |
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| 09:17.01 | empiric | what u mean by empiric: try System > administrator > users and groups and allow user to use sudo, you will see option to do that |
| 09:17.08 | empiric | i can not understad |
| 09:17.16 | blast_hardcheese | babilen: That's what I'm in the middle of doing, as I said above; If this doesn't work, I'll restore from my backup. |
| 09:17.29 | babilen | blast_hardcheese: If your main objective is to get that box installed you might be able to install lenny on it and upgrade to squeeze after the installation. |
| 09:17.43 | blast_hardcheese | We can only hope! :) |
| 09:17.53 | babilen | yeah, good luck |
| 09:18.08 | blast_hardcheese | Thanks, and thanks for the help/suggestions |
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| 09:19.04 | babilen | blast_hardcheese: If you can get lenny installed I would also try a newer kernel (say from backports) with the lenny userbase |
| 09:19.29 | blast_hardcheese | Oh, don't worry; I'll be getting out of lenny pretty much immediately. |
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| 09:20.05 | Sieg_Heil | get out of lenny and rtfm already |
| 09:20.19 | blast_hardcheese | ? |
| 09:20.24 | babilen | the idea was to have another data point: "Is it maybe just the kernel" ... And you need a newer kernel for the upgrade as well (due to incompatibility of squeeze's udev with lenny's kernel) |
| 09:21.00 | blast_hardcheese | Ah. I was running the amd64 kernel from testing with no issues in an i386 environment, |
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| 09:21.02 | babilen | Sieg_Heil: stop it please -- your nickname is also *very* offensive |
| 09:21.16 | Sieg_Heil | lenny is an idiot who never rtfm and developed a shitty kernel |
| 09:21.30 | mali\aweh | amazing he isn't banned already |
| 09:21.31 | blast_hardcheese | /ignore ftw |
| 09:21.37 | Sieg_Heil | i love hitler |
| 09:21.41 | babilen | !ops Sieg_Heil |
| 09:21.49 | babilen | looks at themill |
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| 09:21.52 | mali\aweh | any f**king moron trolling like that would by now be banned |
| 09:21.53 | Sieg_Heil | he was the only leader that kept his word |
| 09:21.54 | babilen | %ops Sieg_Heil |
| 09:21.54 | dselect | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: babilen complains about: Sieg_Heil |
| 09:22.07 | mali\aweh | %ops Sieg_Heil |
| 09:22.07 | dselect | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: mali\aweh complains about: Sieg_Heil |
| 09:22.21 | mali\aweh | get a life, dipwad |
| 09:22.22 | RichiH | thanks |
| 09:22.28 | babilen | np |
| 09:22.29 | mali\aweh | thanks |
| 09:22.44 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 09:24.02 | blast_hardcheese | Incoming... |
| 09:24.24 | blast_hardcheese | Or not |
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| 09:28.42 | ws2k3 | hi |
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| 09:29.06 | ws2k3 | karlpinc are u there? |
| 09:29.07 | rgouveia | hi all ... I have this problem after adding some packages from debian-multimedia repo. gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg wants libavcodec52 (< 5:0) but 5:0.6.1+svn20101128-0.1 is installed. The solution I got from aptitude says to remove gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg but that would remove me gnome :-/ I'm on debian testing |
| 09:29.45 | rgouveia | btw I removed debian-multimedia for some time ago |
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| 09:30.35 | Guest3543 | hello. I need some help in configuring/installing a package. I never did this without apt, so I really dont know how to do it properly |
| 09:30.49 | simonlnu | man dpkg |
| 09:31.08 | simonlnu | --configure foo; -i; -P; are the most common |
| 09:31.11 | Guest3543 | I need to install the following: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/python-pip into the home directory of a user |
| 09:31.40 | simonlnu | man dpkg |
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| 09:31.43 | Guest3543 | the important point is that it has to be in his home and not on the whole system. I was told that normally there is some setup.py which I can use for that, but somehow I really don't have any clue :) |
| 09:32.50 | Guest3543 | but dpkg will install it on the whole system. thats not what I want. I want to installl it into /home/user |
| 09:32.58 | simonlnu | yes. python setup.py install --prefix=/home/user |
| 09:33.11 | simonlnu | no, not if you pass it the right options. man dpkg. |
| 09:33.21 | simonlnu | man dpkg |
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| 09:34.40 | Guest3543 | Therefore I need the tar.gz source package right? the problem is that it doesn;'t contain a setup.py :( |
| 09:34.40 | blast_hardcheese | babilen: Heads up, Installing lenny amd64 in Expert mode screwed it up, but just proceeding like it was a normal install got past where it was having problems before, and I'm finishing up the install now |
| 09:34.53 | Guest3543 | sorry for my retarted way of asking, but i'm in some kind of time pressure |
| 09:35.36 | blast_hardcheese | Guest3543: Just go grab the virtualenv setup script, activate the virtualenv, then easy_install pip |
| 09:35.37 | blast_hardcheese | ta-da |
| 09:35.47 | blast_hardcheese | virtualenv is the way to go |
| 09:36.39 | Guest3543 | blast_hardcheese: what is the virtualenv setup script? |
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| 09:37.09 | Guest3543 | ok I think i google that first^^ |
| 09:37.32 | blast_hardcheese | Guest3543: Good policy, fortunately I figured you'd ask, so I googled it for you. |
| 09:37.33 | blast_hardcheese | https://github.com/pypa/virtualenv/raw/master/virtualenv.py |
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| 09:38.19 | blast_hardcheese | Oh, guess you have to check out the whole repo. |
| 09:38.31 | blast_hardcheese | Guest3543: https://github.com/pypa/virtualenv |
| 09:38.33 | mohamed-ragab | how can add 2 ssh key in same account |
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| 09:40.38 | blast_hardcheese | Guest3543: If virtualenv is already on the system you're trying to do this on, this will be really easy |
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| 09:40.50 | blast_hardcheese | just do virtualenv ~/python-env |
| 09:41.57 | dawud | mohamed-ragab: ssh-keygen. just output to a different file. When you want to use a specific key use ssh -i key, for example |
| 09:42.37 | blast_hardcheese | mohamed-ragab: Also, man ssh_config |
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| 09:43.13 | blast_hardcheese | You can create aliases to frequently used ssh settings, ie: specifying a different key file |
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| 09:44.52 | mohamed-ragab | thanks |
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| 09:45.10 | Twoox | hi |
| 09:45.23 | Garda | lol Twoox |
| 09:45.32 | babilen | blast_hardcheese: great -- and I'm totally with you on the virtualenv+pip thing :) |
| 09:45.48 | blast_hardcheese | Virtualenv is fantastically awesome. |
| 09:45.57 | Twoox | wadup garda |
| 09:46.09 | Garda | hey, not much |
| 09:46.21 | Garda | I just had some ice cream |
| 09:46.28 | blast_hardcheese | babilen: I'm now booted into lenny. Going to get my virtual machines back up and running, then I'm going to sleep. This took way too long. |
| 09:46.29 | Garda | now my gut feels really full |
| 09:46.47 | Twoox | dang, now i want some |
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| 09:47.18 | Twoox | im waiting for the shop to open in 1hr and get some peanuts |
| 09:47.41 | babilen | blast_hardcheese: Have a good night then -- I'll finish my breakfast and get to work. Good luck tomorrow! |
| 09:48.34 | blast_hardcheese | babilen: Thanks again :) |
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| 09:55.52 | hogren | hello world |
| 09:56.33 | casts | hi |
| 09:57.15 | hogren | what's up ? ^^ what is your favorite recent program ? |
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| 09:58.31 | ethanol | define "recent program"? |
| 09:58.40 | casts | thinks |
| 09:58.44 | casts | vim 7.3 |
| 09:58.54 | ethanol | gnome-do, geany :p |
| 09:59.34 | casts | pfffty, GNOME app! probably takes 30 minutes to load up |
| 09:59.51 | ethanol | uh, no. I hit winkey + spacebar and it's there, instantly. |
| 10:00.02 | hogren | what are news in vim ? |
| 10:00.10 | casts | it has blowfish support |
| 10:00.11 | hogren | what is new in vim ? |
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| 10:01.14 | hogren | what is "blowfish" ? |
| 10:01.37 | joltcan | blowfish is an encryption algorithm |
| 10:01.47 | hogren | ok ! |
| 10:02.17 | hogren | Does it be very secure ? |
| 10:02.26 | casts | more secure than the old one |
| 10:02.32 | hogren | lol |
| 10:02.48 | hogren | I don't have any doubt ! |
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| 10:04.20 | hogren | What is gnome-do ? |
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| 10:04.40 | hogren | I have already see the name .... but not more . |
| 10:04.48 | casts | aptitude show |
| 10:04.52 | Bushmills | hogren: apt-cache show <packagename> |
| 10:05.02 | hogren | ok ok ^^ |
| 10:05.38 | babilen | hogren: or google and watch a video on yt |
| 10:06.28 | casts | there is only one desktop environment and that is e |
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| 10:07.13 | nyk2005 | How is it possible to download the *target* of a symlink by rsync? |
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| 10:07.41 | Bushmills | -L |
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| 10:08.01 | nyk2005 | ah -L |
| 10:08.06 | nyk2005 | thanks! ;) |
| 10:08.23 | Bushmills | guesses that could have been found in rsync manpage |
| 10:10.36 | nyk2005 | I found it on google... sorry, but only when I search for "transfer" instead of "download" combined with rsync and symlink target.. |
| 10:10.55 | hogren | good bye ! |
| 10:11.12 | hogren | I go to eat (I am french). |
| 10:11.47 | bzrk | hello all, did anyone here try to rollout squeeze using preseeding yet? |
| 10:11.49 | fireba11_ | hi, my debian got confused when upgrading from lenny to squeeze: i have some unneeded packages installed but can't autoremove them because a package failed to install due to the old ones still being there. how to resolve this? |
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| 10:22.37 | sephii | fireba11_: Could you show the error message from apt[itude] ? |
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| 10:33.17 | bouma | harro, what do i need to do to chroot from a boot cd and use apt-get install ?? |
| 10:33.23 | fireba11_ | sephii: thanks, but got it fixed. removed the old package via dpkg, then apt-get -f install, then apt-get autoremove |
| 10:33.31 | bouma | on the chroot'ed system |
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| 10:34.19 | atan | When you are running screen how can I exit my putty SSH session without killing everything off? :) |
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| 10:35.15 | sephii | atan: C-a d, then log out |
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| 10:37.02 | kornerr | hi |
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| 10:37.26 | kornerr | where can i get debian 5.0 iso? |
| 10:37.37 | themill | dpkg: tell kornerr about install lenny |
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| 10:39.47 | kornerr | debian 5.x are all binary compatible? |
| 10:40.05 | kornerr | meaning: things compiled at 5.0.8 will work for 5.0.0? |
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| 10:41.21 | mali\aweh | kornerr, I would imagine, that not to be the geenral case in linux, as .x versions woudl have upgrades on core packages, which then a binary has been compiled against... but I do not know debian well so can't speak for it |
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| 10:43.38 | babilen | kornerr: certainly true |
| 10:43.59 | kornerr | ok. thanks |
| 10:44.03 | babilen | kornerr: unless you rely on some undocumented corner cases that have been fixed in later releases |
| 10:44.27 | themill | kornerr: yes, with the possible exception of a few things that have quite badly managed APIs where binary compatibility is lost in security updates. bind and some C++ stuff comes to mind. |
| 10:44.33 | kornerr | nothing of the sort. standard glibc and all stuff |
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| 10:45.18 | themill | krb went through a couple of abi bumps during the lenny cycle too iirc |
| 10:50.33 | atan | thank you sphii |
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| 10:51.00 | atan | sephii, when when I come back do I just start things up with "screen" ? |
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| 10:54.09 | kornerr | see you |
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| 10:57.42 | dawud | atan: screen -r |
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| 11:10.43 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 11:10.51 | ws2k3 | karlpinc are u there? |
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| 11:11.36 | vicky__ | hi all...how to update libc in debian 5..It have libc 2.7 ..but i want to update to 2.11..i searched for deb packages ..i cant find...and "apt-get install libc6" return already with upadetd...any idea guys.. |
| 11:12.25 | kgoetz | vicky__: my idea is that you don't |
| 11:12.32 | kgoetz | vicky__: your you will be broken |
| 11:13.35 | jelly | vicky__: what are you really trying to accomplish |
| 11:13.38 | vicky__ | then any solution..because i need this...can i install via glibc source |
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| 11:15.36 | vicky__ | i am in embedded...I have to setup cross-compile toolchain for my collegue...but i am using gentoo..It have updated libc 2.13..i made it from gentoo...when i am using the toolchain at debian i have this issue... |
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| 11:15.54 | jelly | vicky__: just set up a squeeze chroot and build inside that. |
| 11:16.06 | jelly | vicky__: debootstrap is your friend |
| 11:17.03 | vicky__ | why debian is not providing update for glibc... |
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| 11:18.07 | eshat | vicky__: which debian version? |
| 11:18.22 | jelly | vicky__: debian 5.0 is the previous release. 6.0 = squeeze is the current release, and it uses eglibc 2.11.x. Use squeeze, one way or the other. |
| 11:18.40 | Erbureth | vicky__: or experimental, it has 2.13 |
| 11:19.01 | vicky__ | debian 5.0 |
| 11:19.10 | Erbureth | vicky__: you can dl eglibc-source from experimental |
| 11:19.12 | jelly | vicky__: the least intrusive way to do this is making a chroot environment with debian 6.0 |
| 11:19.17 | jelly | Erbureth: no need to do that |
| 11:19.38 | jelly | Erbureth: vicky__ can set up a chroot with squeeze or sid and work from there |
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| 11:19.44 | yassine | hi folks |
| 11:19.51 | ayambit | debian locked up and i rebooted it |
| 11:20.04 | yassine | is it possible to have two different php version with apache & fastcgi running ? |
| 11:20.05 | ayambit | where in logs do i look to narrow the problem? |
| 11:20.11 | vicky__ | but i cant do that..He is using for some stuff in that debian... |
| 11:20.43 | jelly | vicky__: you will have to be more specific than that |
| 11:21.10 | vicky__ | k..jelly ..i think that is the way .. |
| 11:21.12 | Erbureth | jelly: right |
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| 11:26.33 | Azrael_- | my apache2 is geting attacked. it looks like a massive connection-attack. as soon as the apache2 hits it's maxclients-setting no other users can connect. how can i prevent this best? |
| 11:27.12 | jelly | Azrael_-: iptables? |
| 11:27.15 | vicky__ | thank u jelly... |
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| 11:27.17 | jelly | oh, prevent |
| 11:28.47 | Azrael_- | jelly: ofc, atm i add the bad guys manually to iptables but it takes some time for me to notice. i'd like to find a good way to block them out automatically |
| 11:28.48 | jelly | Azrael_-: if they're valid but otherwise idle TCP connections that don't do a thing, you might put a reverse proxy in front that's better with managing connections. Something like nginx or haproxy |
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| 11:29.37 | jelly | if it's a SYN flood, enable tcp syncookies in the kernel |
| 11:29.57 | jelly | /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_syncookies |
| 11:31.21 | Azrael_- | syncookies are already enabled |
| 11:31.24 | jelly | depending on how distributed the attack is and how similar to normal requests, you might or might not be able to accomplish something with fail2ban or mod_security |
| 11:31.51 | Azrael_- | they not only use a syn-flood but also establish a connection and keep it alive |
| 11:32.23 | jelly | yeah, attacks we get these days make proper connections as well |
| 11:32.28 | Azrael_- | atm i added this to limit the connection to 10 connections per ip: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -i eth0 -m state --state NEW -m recent --set; iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -i eth0 -m state --state NEW -m recent --update --seconds 60 --hitcount 10 -j DROP |
| 11:33.27 | Azrael_- | i don't understand the whole background yet completely. used this from a howto. can i get sideeffect with this? |
| 11:33.28 | jelly | connlimit has a tendency to block normal users esp. if there's more than one client behind a nat address |
| 11:36.20 | jelly | Azrael_-: you cound add a logging rule before the DROP one and inspect the logs |
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| 11:38.02 | Azrael_- | jelly: can you supply me an example? i'd look lateron into the details to completely understand it myself |
| 11:38.29 | jelly | Azrael_-: it would be similar to the DROP rule, except replace "-j DROP" with eg. -m limit --limit 5/sec -j LOG --log-prefix "someuniquetaghere: " |
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| 11:38.54 | jelly | here's my ssh limiting bit: |
| 11:39.07 | jelly | -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 22 -m state --state NEW -m recent --update --seconds 30 --hitcount 4 --rttl --name SSH --rsource -m limit --limit 2/sec -j LOG --log-prefix "iptables/SSH_brute_force: " |
| 11:39.08 | jelly | -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 22 -m state --state NEW -m recent --update --seconds 30 --hitcount 4 --rttl --name SSH --rsource -j DROP |
| 11:39.59 | jelly | just like yourself, I don't even know what half of that does |
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| 11:40.08 | Azrael_- | can't you also ue the hitcount option for the log? why do you use limit in there? |
| 11:40.31 | reber | hi. Could anyone remind me the tool to create .deb packages from sources please ? (was it auto-apt ?) ? |
| 11:40.36 | jelly | Azrael_-: preventing the log flood |
| 11:40.47 | Azrael_- | ah, k |
| 11:40.52 | reber | (or checkinstall) ? |
| 11:41.02 | Azrael_- | where do i see the logs? |
| 11:41.20 | jelly | Azrael_-: syslog, kern.* (/var/log/kern.log in debian by default) |
| 11:41.27 | Azrael_- | thx |
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| 11:47.46 | sacredchao | I have a machine with multiple NICs, but only one ethernet cable to the router/rest of internet. I'd like to have the 2nd NIC in the machine act as another port to the Internet, in essence forwarding all the traffic on to the router through the 1st NIC that is actually connected. |
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| 11:48.04 | sacredchao | How can I do this type of 'Internet connection sharing' with physical ethernet ports? |
| 11:48.53 | fbs | sacredchao: why dont you just buy a simple switch? |
| 11:49.52 | sacredchao | fbh: Because I am far away from any stores that would sell networking equipment and I don't have a bank account so I can't buy things online. |
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| 11:50.11 | sacredchao | Also, I know there is a technical software configuration solution to this, and I would like to know what software I should use. |
| 11:50.18 | joltcan | sacredchao: you could use brctl and bridge the interfaces and create yourself a hub |
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| 11:51.05 | casts | sacredchao: NAT would be trivial to setup |
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| 11:51.40 | casts | three cheers for the ipmasq package |
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| 11:52.01 | Bushmills | sacredchao: sounds like something which adding a route will do, together with enabling ip forwarding |
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| 11:52.38 | Bushmills | you may need a back route too, if replies should be sent back through 2nd NIC |
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| 11:53.48 | Bushmills | alternatively, set up NAT, using that machine as masquerading gateway |
| 11:54.33 | sacredchao | NAT sounds maybe best |
| 11:54.47 | sacredchao | Bushmills: The router here assigns public static IP addresses to each new hosts usally |
| 11:54.53 | Bushmills | depends on what you want to reach through first NIC |
| 11:54.58 | sacredchao | So there isn't a NAT already in the house networking setup |
| 11:55.31 | sacredchao | Making one behind my multi-NIC machine might be good... I use brctl to set up NAT? |
| 11:55.32 | casts | NAT can provide a bit more security too |
| 11:55.55 | Erbureth | each time you use NAT, god kills a kitten :) |
| 11:55.59 | casts | easiest way to setup NAT on the box is to make sure you can ping the internet, then install the ipmasq package |
| 11:56.10 | Bushmills | no. bridge and NAT are not related |
| 11:56.21 | Bushmills | iptables is what you'd use for NAT |
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| 12:06.51 | sneex | I know it is possible to enforce GID on directory creation but is is possible to enforce a particular UID on file creation? |
| 12:07.13 | red2kic | Hello I'm testing Debian. Is there a such thing as Debian Nonfree Repo? (for flashplugin and nvidia and such). |
| 12:08.18 | red2kic | There might be. Maybe nonfree isn't the word I'm looking for. I tried gnash. Terrible, lol. |
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| 12:09.30 | Hydroxide | red2kic: yeah, debian offers a non-free repository. it's called non-free :) |
| 12:09.33 | Hydroxide | !non-free |
| 12:09.34 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 12:09.49 | red2kic | Hydroxide: I am reading about contrib? |
| 12:09.50 | Hydroxide | !tell red2kic about non-free sources |
| 12:09.52 | red2kic | !contrib |
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| 12:10.40 | red2kic | !non-free sources |
| 12:10.40 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 12:10.42 | Bushmills | sneex: make that user primary group of that group, or newgroup to it. then any file or directory will be created with that users uid, and gid of that group |
| 12:10.42 | Hydroxide | well, yeah, flashplugin-nonfree is in contrib since we aren't actually distributing adobe flash player, but just a bit of free software that installs it |
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| 12:11.56 | Hydroxide | Bushmills: uh, no ... sneex's only option is to either (1) actually switch to that user when trying to create the file, or (2) tell us what the underlying poblem is that he's trying to solve so that we can figure out a way to achieve his goals |
| 12:11.57 | red2kic | Also, one more question. "chris is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." I changed my user to administrator under Admins --> Users/Groups. What gives? |
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| 12:12.29 | homie | usermod -a -G sudo chris |
| 12:12.35 | Hydroxide | Bushmills: red2kic i'm not aware of any notion of administrator that's baked into Debian. are you sure you're using Debian and not Ubuntu? |
| 12:12.35 | homie | i would say |
| 12:12.39 | sneex | Bushmills: Even if the file created is created by another UID ? I am trying to get uid set regardless of the UID who created the file |
| 12:12.53 | red2kic | Hydroxide: I'm definitely using debian. |
| 12:12.56 | Hydroxide | homie: no, don't do that ... that allows arbitrary sudo without ever requesting a password |
| 12:13.09 | Hydroxide | red2kic: ok. well if you type visudo as root you can edit the sudoers file |
| 12:13.14 | Bushmills | sneex: "with that user's uid" |
| 12:13.23 | red2kic | Hydroxide: I started off using Ubuntu, then I tried Archlinux (I love it, it's my main OS). However, I wanted to try debian seeing how I never really gave it a try. Now I wish I never use Ubuntu. :P |
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| 12:13.39 | Hydroxide | red2kic: make sure you have a line like chris ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 12:13.45 | Bushmills | sneex: su - otheruser |
| 12:13.50 | homie | no |
| 12:13.53 | red2kic | Hydroxide: Yes, I can add myself manually in visudo -- but that does not seem right? |
| 12:13.57 | homie | not ALL ALL ALL |
| 12:14.05 | homie | first is the hostname |
| 12:14.09 | thomasfuston | someone using e17 enlightenment wm in debian? |
| 12:14.16 | red2kic | Iirc there should be wheel group or such. |
| 12:14.18 | homie | unless you want to acces from remote |
| 12:14.29 | Hydroxide | homie: you can be more restrictive if you want. it's not really necessary for this. |
| 12:14.33 | casts | thomasfuston: i am. |
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| 12:14.39 | homie | well i don't do it |
| 12:14.43 | Hydroxide | homie: that's fine :) |
| 12:14.48 | Bushmills | thomasfuston: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=e17 |
| 12:15.13 | Hydroxide | red2kic: I'm not sure what user interface you're using that gives you a toggle about calling yourself an administrator. I know ubuntu uses a group admin and has one line in sudoers for that group |
| 12:15.20 | thomasfuston | casts: i would be happy to use it too, but how to install it on debian? i tryed compile it but didnt worked twice |
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| 12:15.39 | sneex | lol, OK, I guess it cannot be cleanly done. I will look at file system mounting tricks. Only want files created by "other" uid to be "this" uid but dont want to open sudo nor fiddle with umask issues; only option is cron or the way the filesystem is mounted I suppose :( Thanks :) |
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| 12:16.14 | casts | thomasfuston: it compiles on stable, what more can isay |
| 12:16.14 | red2kic | Hydroxide: $ lsb_release -cs --> squeeze |
| 12:16.17 | Hydroxide | sneex: well that's a bit more information :) |
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| 12:16.32 | Hydroxide | sneex: what kind of filesystem is this, fat/ntfs/something like that? |
| 12:16.37 | sneex | I work in a banking situation -- they are super paranoid :P |
| 12:16.42 | Leoneof | hi, my computer is still running up to 3 days, but it doesn't ask for a password when i use gksu, is that normal? |
| 12:16.54 | homie | no |
| 12:16.54 | red2kic | Hydroxide: Well, I'm seeing it. I installed it using netinstall. If you say it shouldn't be there -- then why is it there? Maybe Debian included it now? |
| 12:17.07 | Bushmills | Leoneof: probably. cached, i suppose |
| 12:17.14 | homie | unless you configure gksu to use sudo or so |
| 12:17.19 | Hydroxide | red2kic: which user interface did you install? gnome, kde, lxde, xfce, something else? |
| 12:17.25 | homie | and sudo is setup for passwordless auth |
| 12:17.27 | sneex | it is RHEL (or Debian, my system) but the issue is AD authenticated IDs on a linux ext3 filesystem -- Linux issues only |
| 12:17.27 | thomasfuston | casts: could you got some references who show me dependencys? |
| 12:17.55 | red2kic | Hydroxide: Gnome. (Well, I didn't explicity select Gnome, it was something like "Standard Desktop Environment" in tasksel. |
| 12:18.05 | Hydroxide | sneex: ah. the answer there is to tie your local Debian system into AD as a member of the domain. it is doable :-) |
| 12:18.13 | Hydroxide | red2kic: sure. I don't use gnome, so it's possible gnome creates that group |
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| 12:18.28 | red2kic | Hydroxide: KDE? |
| 12:18.31 | Leoneof | Bushmills: in this case, maybe someone can use my computer and manipulate in system files :| |
| 12:18.31 | Hydroxide | red2kic: so, yeah, you might want to ensure you have a line in sudoers for %admin |
| 12:18.35 | Hydroxide | red2kic: yes |
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| 12:19.33 | sneex | Hydroxide: My system IS tied to AD but the production box isn't and won't be; the files are created via uid X and I need to manipulate them with uid Y -- I got the directory group set straight but a clean solution for UID eludes me. I'll figure something out |
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| 12:20.27 | Hydroxide | sneex: needing to manipulate them with uid Y is different than needing them to be owned by uid Y. you probably want to ensure you have filesytem acls turned on and set a default acl to give userid Y write permissions to everything created in there |
| 12:20.36 | ws2k3 | hello guys i want to run webmin on my machine but my machine will be directory on the internet now i have heard that i can setup a tunnel with ssh -L so that i only can access webmin over that tunnel. how does this work or this a bether way or securing my webmin? |
| 12:20.42 | Bushmills | Leoneof: if you leave it accessable, while you're away, or insufficiently secured, probaby. |
| 12:20.58 | Hydroxide | sneex: make sure you have the acl package installed and read the setfacl man page. |
| 12:21.21 | Hydroxide | sneex: you might also have to mount the filesystem with the acl option, but depending on Linux version thta might be default. |
| 12:21.23 | Bushmills | though that seems to me less a problem with program granting access, but by lack of preventive policies |
| 12:21.36 | sneex | kk :) Leoneof -- You can get pam to forget your SU'ed and make the user enter the passwd each time sudo is used |
| 12:22.20 | red2kic | Hydroxide: Flash installed. Also, Standard Dekstop Environment -- Is it not proper way to install? It's strange that it didn't ask me for DE. The proper route would be to toggle that off and install gnome manually? |
| 12:22.24 | sneex | Bushmills: my problem is the production box is a blackbox and I cannot say for a fact it is even RHEL lol |
| 12:23.08 | sneex | funny how soethign never change |
| 12:23.09 | casts | thomasfuston: the e17 docs lists all the required packages, its pretty close |
| 12:23.12 | sneex | somethings* |
| 12:23.15 | Bushmills | sneex: they don't say it, otherwise people here refer you to #redhat channel |
| 12:23.28 | Leoneof | Bushmills: is there away to clear the "cached" password? sudo is ok and it asks me for the password everytime, but gksu is not. |
| 12:23.44 | Leoneof | s/away/a way |
| 12:23.52 | Hydroxide | red2kic: nah, you installed gnome just fine. the installer doesn't prompt for a choice of desktop environment; however you can specify a different argument at the installer boot prompt to choose something else (yes this is documented in the install manual) or you can use one of the alternate install CDs that defaults to kde or xfce or lxde |
| 12:23.57 | Bushmills | Leoneof: i suppose there is. but i can't tell how how to |
| 12:24.00 | sneex | roger, I ask here because *I* use Debian and *I* can resolve this problem within Debian :P I was hoping for a generic resolution you know |
| 12:24.21 | Hydroxide | sneex: did my last answer about acls help? that works in debian and other linux-based distros |
| 12:24.25 | sneex | yes |
| 12:24.33 | Hydroxide | cool, enjoy. |
| 12:24.38 | Leoneof | Bushmills: okay |
| 12:24.46 | Bushmills | mount options. for network file system, squash options, i suppose |
| 12:24.52 | sneex | I need to attack it from a "training" the sysadmin stand point Hydroxide |
| 12:25.00 | casts | thomasfuston: autotools-dev comerr-dev dpkg-dev libc-dev-bin libc6-dev libcurl4-openssl-dev libdbus-1-dev libexpat1-dev libfontconfig1-dev libfreetype6-dev libgif-dev libidn11-dev libjpeg62-dev libkrb5-dev libldap2-dev libltdl-dev liblua5.1-0-dev libmudflap0-4.4-dev libncurses5-dev libpam0g-dev libpng12-dev libpthread-stubs0-dev libreadline-dev libreadline6-dev libssh2-1-dev libssl-dev libstdc++6-4.4-dev libtiff4-dev libudev-dev libx11-dev libxau-dev ... |
| 12:25.01 | abrotman | there is also ##linux |
| 12:25.06 | casts | ... libxcb-xtest0-dev libxcb1-dev libxcomposite-dev libxcursor-dev libxdamage-dev libxdmcp-dev libxext-dev libxfixes-dev libxinerama-dev libxrandr-dev libxrender-dev libxss-dev linux-libc-dev manpages-dev x11proto-composite-dev x11proto-core-dev x11proto-damage-dev x11proto-fixes-dev x11proto-input-dev x11proto-kb-dev x11proto-randr-dev x11proto-render-dev x11proto-scrnsaver-dev x11proto-xext-dev x11proto-xinerama-dev xtrans-dev zlib1g-dev are all the -dev ... |
| 12:25.12 | casts | ... packages i have installed, if that helps at all |
| 12:25.14 | casts | mutters....it looked smaller in the terminal |
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| 12:25.30 | sneex | stty will fix that casts |
| 12:25.34 | sneex | :) |
| 12:25.42 | thomasfuston | casts thx alot, i try it again |
| 12:25.43 | jelly | casts: irc clients have bigger letters |
| 12:25.46 | Hydroxide | sneez: yes, right. the reason we restrict our support to debian is because we can't be spending our time dealing with differences between distros, not because all the conversation here is only relevant to debian. if someone wants to try out our advice on debian and then adapt it on their own to another distro, that's fine. |
| 12:25.48 | MrFrood | mutters something about pastebin |
| 12:26.10 | SPF | ws2k3: I would advise a tunnel with ssh -L fooport:localhost:10000 user@host. Then change your browser to use proxy localhost:fooport |
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| 12:27.33 | thomasfuston | http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=e17 |
| 12:28.33 | sneex | Hydroxide: On debian I would enforce umask per user and set the gid on new directories and be done with it but production sates no "funny business" -- I am allowed to mount a ghost directory for interim package deployment but the "nobody" id must be able to move/nuke the files afterward LOL Not too difficult in a blackbox sort of way |
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| 12:29.00 | evelyette | hi |
| 12:29.07 | evelyette | I've got this error: |
| 12:29.09 | evelyette | W: GPG error: http://ftp.de.debian.org experimental Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
| 12:29.14 | evelyette | where can I get the public key ? |
| 12:29.24 | sneex | I wouldnt worry about too much evelyette |
| 12:29.26 | abrotman | is your debian-archive-keyring package up to date? |
| 12:29.42 | Bushmills | sneex: mount a file system image. make nobody owner of that image |
| 12:29.48 | sneex | rgr |
| 12:30.07 | abrotman | I thought it was non-debian? |
| 12:30.08 | sneex | hence why I said no clean solution and I must use filesystem mounting stuff :P |
| 12:30.37 | sneex | my system is debian my production box is a blackbox with unknown magicalcookies |
| 12:30.44 | evelyette | abrotman, how can I update it? |
| 12:30.57 | abrotman | sneex: and which one is having the issue? |
| 12:31.07 | abrotman | evelyette: aptitude update; aptitude install debian-archive-keyring |
| 12:31.10 | sneex | the "other" non Debian system :P |
| 12:31.20 | abrotman | sneex: then please take this conversation elsewhere, thank you |
| 12:31.24 | sneex | :) |
| 12:31.25 | evelyette | sorry I'm not on debian system, but ubuntu |
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| 12:31.31 | abrotman | evelyette: go to #ubuntu for help |
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| 12:31.36 | Bushmills | !netinst |
| 12:31.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 12:31.42 | Bushmills | evelyette: ^^^ |
| 12:31.43 | sneex | I love you abrotman :) |
| 12:31.51 | abrotman | have a nice day |
| 12:31.54 | sneex | :) |
| 12:32.13 | sneex | see you guys later :) Thx for the pointer Bushmills Hydroxide :) |
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| 12:32.23 | rgr | probably some insanely obvious problem but I cant seem to get port 25 open on my mail server (obviously a hindrance) .... I ran firestarter and it says the server is accepting port 25 : but an nmap from another lan machine doest list 25 as being open. Any obvious thing to check or configure? |
| 12:32.34 | abrotman | evelyette: and you probably shouldn't mix Debian and Ubuntu .. but you'll have to ask #ubuntu more about it .. Ubuntu is not supported here |
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| 12:32.54 | casts | clear your iptables rules then see if it's open? |
| 12:33.01 | evelyette | abrotman, yes I know ... but I need the libpam-ldapd package > 0.8 ... which ubuntu does not have |
| 12:33.13 | abrotman | evelyette: we still don't support Ubuntu here |
| 12:33.14 | evelyette | but it's in the debian experimental ... and works |
| 12:33.22 | rgr | casts: is that a good idea? I never tinkered "directly" with iptables rules. |
| 12:33.24 | Bushmills | sounds he wants to install debian... saying something about being sorry for ubuntu system :D |
| 12:33.34 | evelyette | abrotman, yes you said that already ... I'm just explaining myself ... I'll ask #ubuntu |
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| 12:33.35 | evelyette | thanks |
| 12:33.40 | abrotman | evelyette: someone there should be able to help you with issues with apt-key |
| 12:33.49 | abrotman | (one would hope so anyway) |
| 12:34.01 | Bushmills | oh. didn't understand that he wanted to remain sorry |
| 12:34.01 | ws2k3 | spf i canot follow u :P |
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| 12:34.48 | babilen | !tell evelyette -about apt-key AED4B06F473041FA |
| 12:34.57 | abrotman | scolds babilen |
| 12:35.10 | babilen | evelyette: But ask #ubuntu first and take further support to that channel, thank you :) |
| 12:35.11 | casts | rgr: stopping firestarter may do it, iptables -L will show you the current rules. if you clear them with the iptables command make sure to set the policies to accept |
| 12:35.17 | babilen | dodges |
| 12:35.25 | Bushmills | rgr: is there an actual problem, or just the "seem to"? |
| 12:35.53 | rgr | Bushmills: what do you mean "seems to"? Oh, I see. The problem is clearly stated. |
| 12:35.57 | rgr | casts: thanks I will |
| 12:36.57 | abrotman | rgr: when you say "the server says it's listening" .. on what IP? |
| 12:37.38 | Bushmills | rgr, it is accepting, and listed as open, but "you can't seem to open it" ... i don't seem to see the problem |
| 12:37.38 | rgr | from all local lan machines including the router which forwards smtp. |
| 12:37.55 | rgr | Bushmills: no you dont. Casts has helped. Thanks. |
| 12:38.20 | abrotman | rgr: can i see the line from netstat ? |
| 12:38.20 | rgr | (I said above that the nmap doesnt list 25 as open) |
| 12:38.36 | abrotman | from the server |
| 12:38.39 | rgr | and of course exim4 is not reading smtp directed at my vhosts. |
| 12:38.45 | rgr | brb |
| 12:39.08 | red2kic | Hydroxide: For your own benefits, look at the second paragraph. http://wiki.debian.org/sudo |
| 12:39.26 | Bushmills | "from another lan machine doest list 25 as being open." ah, means "doesn't" |
| 12:40.01 | red2kic | Hydroxide: I have to add myself to sudo group ; log out and in. Voila! It worked. Thanks again. Visudo was fine. No need to add chris ALL(ALL)ALL. |
| 12:40.09 | rgr | aha, i see where you got confused. mea culpa. I thought context replaced the missing "n" ;) |
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| 12:40.29 | Bushmills | mine removed the trailing "t" |
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| 12:41.00 | rgr | heh |
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| 12:42.58 | abrotman | rgr: netstat line? |
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| 12:47.10 | ws2k3 | <SPF> ws2k3: I would advise a tunnel with ssh -L fooport:localhost:10000 user@host. Then change your browser to use proxy localhost:fooport |
| 12:47.31 | ws2k3 | thats what spf sad to my but i dont fully understand what he mean and how this should be done. |
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| 12:48.03 | ws2k3 | i wanne make a tunnel from my windows machine over the internet do my debian. should i use putty for that? what do i need to setup on my debian? |
| 12:48.26 | digdilem_ | ws2k3, putty works fine. just need ssh on the debian box |
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| 12:48.39 | casts | sshd* |
| 12:48.57 | ws2k3 | sshd is already installed but do i need to configure anything on debian or does this work out of the box? |
| 12:48.57 | digdilem_ | you can set the port tunnel properties in putty's ssh config. (yes casts, good point) |
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| 12:49.10 | digdilem_ | if you can ssh to the box already, it'll work |
| 12:49.21 | red2kic | If I wish to have latest Chromium on debian, do I obtain the deb from Ubuntu? ;\ |
| 12:49.21 | ws2k3 | yea i allways putty over ssh to my debian |
| 12:49.25 | ws2k3 | to control it remotely |
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| 12:49.54 | casts | red2kic: no. |
| 12:49.57 | ws2k3 | how i should use putty to build a ssh tunnel? |
| 12:50.03 | digdilem_ | you can add tunnels on an existing putty session too, without having to restart |
| 12:50.15 | casts | sits pleased with the ease of answering that question |
| 12:50.17 | digdilem_ | in putty, connection -> ssh -> tunnel |
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| 12:51.00 | red2kic | casts: Weak answer. |
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| 12:51.06 | rgr | abrotman: sorry, missed that. Panic is over. I'm embarassed to say that firestarter lied. A restart and 25 was then open.. |
| 12:52.08 | ws2k3 | digdilem i'm sorry i think i'm just stupid i cannot find a tab called propeties |
| 12:52.21 | ws2k3 | i have connection type raw telnet rlogin ssh and serial. |
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| 12:57.25 | digdilem_ | ws2k3, if you've got a connection open now |
| 12:57.29 | ws2k3 | digdilem i have found tunnels. but i see some things about portforwarding and i see add a new forwarded port. |
| 12:57.39 | ws2k3 | my ssh is disconencted now. |
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| 12:57.57 | digdilem_ | there's some guides on putty's website iirc |
| 12:57.58 | ws2k3 | i'm logged in now. |
| 12:58.16 | digdilem_ | not really a debian thing |
| 12:58.38 | ws2k3 | yeah i'km sorry that i dont understand if u want u can explane me in pm? |
| 12:58.58 | ws2k3 | or how should i add a tunnel to an exsisting putty session. |
| 12:59.18 | digdilem_ | change source port to the local port you want to use. |
| 12:59.36 | digdilem_ | change destination to the destination port, eg: 10.0.0.10:80 and click add |
| 12:59.43 | LanoX | hey guys |
| 12:59.44 | Leoneof | how to make gksu to ask for the password everytime? |
| 12:59.45 | digdilem_ | then visit localhost:sourceport |
| 12:59.53 | LanoX | how hard is to install gnome 3 |
| 13:00.04 | digdilem_ | ws2k3, if you still don't get it, read the docs! |
| 13:00.26 | earthnative | so anyone involved in debian legal teams? would they care about a company violating the debian logo license? |
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| 13:03.21 | MrFrood | earthnative: this the Russian sweet shop again? |
| 13:03.47 | earthnative | nope |
| 13:03.49 | earthnative | http://www.aaa-logo.com |
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| 13:04.36 | earthnative | as pointed to me by http://www.absoluteintegration.com.au/ - who has cited their site as the origin of the template behind his logo |
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| 13:06.14 | casts | hah. |
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| 13:08.39 | Burps | Hi, I have a routing table with a zillion input I just typed manually : is there a way to save this into a file, so that this file will be loaded at startup ? |
| 13:09.18 | MrFrood | earthnative: best thing is to post a report to the debian-legal mail list |
| 13:10.06 | earthnative | okeys (I was hoping to shortcut that effort, but yeah, fair call :) |
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| 13:13.01 | dshbusiness | Hello, I want to mount my portable hard disk or u-disk on my sytem automatically when I pulg them in. How can I make it? I use debian and fvwm. Thanks. |
| 13:13.40 | casts | usbmount pkg? |
| 13:14.23 | casts | the problem with automatically mounting things...is people expect to be able to just yank it out, too, |
| 13:14.24 | dshbusiness | casts: let me try. Thanks. |
| 13:15.10 | casts | which makes some design compromises when using rw portable media to be made, |
| 13:15.23 | MrFrood | dshbusiness: also take a look at halevt |
| 13:16.08 | dshbusiness | casts: What do you mean? Is it really hard to do that under fvwm? |
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| 13:18.20 | DammitJim | I have a bare drive that I want to use to make backups... what file system should I use for it? |
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| 13:18.56 | dvs | DammitJim: fat32 |
| 13:19.05 | casts | DammitJim: you don't even need a filesystem |
| 13:19.14 | pipeline | DammitJim: hard drives make a lousy backup. Bad MTBF, rarely go offsite. That said, I would use an ext3 filesystem full of tarballs. |
| 13:19.15 | DammitJim | woot? |
| 13:19.31 | babilen | DammitJim: ext*, xfs, and jfs should be sensible choices |
| 13:19.37 | DammitJim | pipeline, I have 1 drive I keep onsite and another that goes to my sister's house LOL |
| 13:19.38 | pipeline | DammitJim: you would likely be better served by an online backup setup. |
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| 13:19.49 | DammitJim | pipeline, I'm cheap |
| 13:19.53 | casts | pipeline: how do you know that? |
| 13:20.04 | DammitJim | what' MTBF? |
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| 13:20.18 | casts | hard drives provide the largest amount of high bandwidth cheap storage to home users |
| 13:20.21 | pipeline | casts: Being a probability, it's universally true. All people would probably be better served by an online backup service than a hard drive. |
| 13:20.29 | pipeline | DammitJim: mean time between failure |
| 13:20.35 | casts | pipeline: yeah, ok. bullshit. |
| 13:20.44 | MrFrood | thinks DammitJim should be using 9.5 inch tape ;) |
| 13:20.44 | babilen | DammitJim: and i recommend dirvish for the backups. (rsnapshot, rdiff-backup, backuppc, amanda, bacula and ... are worth a look too) |
| 13:20.48 | pipeline | DammitJim: hard drives have a lousy MTBF, and the shelf life isn't much better than the life of a powered on hard drive in appropriate conditions. |
| 13:21.05 | Leoneof | how to make gksu to ask for the password everytime? maybe i have to use gksu-properties ? |
| 13:21.11 | Leoneof | :( |
| 13:21.20 | pipeline | There's a reason people use tape. Stored correctly, tape basically lasts forever. HDDs do not. |
| 13:21.29 | DammitJim | pipeline, that's why I have 2 drives |
| 13:21.34 | jelly | !tracker of doom |
| 13:21.35 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/. Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 13:21.38 | DammitJim | + they were free LOL |
| 13:21.47 | pipeline | DammitJim: welp it's your life, live with whatever risk you're comfortable with |
| 13:21.49 | DammitJim | I was just going to do rsync |
| 13:21.54 | pipeline | DammitJim: you should just be aware that this is a bad idea :P |
| 13:22.19 | DammitJim | yes pipeline ! thank you for your input (not to say I haven't considered doing online backups) |
| 13:22.54 | babilen | DammitJim: Take a look at dirvish, rsnaphot and rdiff-backup in that case. Just look, you can still write your own rsync based backup script, but why not use an externally maintained solution? |
| 13:22.58 | DammitJim | dvs, why did you suggest fat32? |
| 13:23.35 | dvs | DammitJim: If you want to use it with other OS besides Linux |
| 13:24.17 | DammitJim | man, but fat32 has a 4GB file size limit |
| 13:24.32 | DammitJim | but I guess I should be making my backups in multiple sequential files, huh? |
| 13:24.36 | pipeline | dvs, DammitJim : etx2/ext3 is readable by windows, osx, etc, just not writable. It's a backup disk, why would you want to write to it ? |
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| 13:25.08 | DammitJim | pipeline, I don't want to.. just asking |
| 13:25.18 | DammitJim | and one doesn't need a special "driver" to read ext2/ext3? |
| 13:25.21 | babilen | dvs: I don't think that fat32 is a sane choice for backups given its abysmal support for unix permissions and large files |
| 13:25.52 | DammitJim | or maybe I should just go back to fat12 |
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| 13:26.01 | twobitsprite | ... |
| 13:26.44 | pipeline | DammitJim: there are both drivers and userspace applications available to read ext2/ext3 from windows |
| 13:26.53 | pipeline | DammitJim: on osx I don't know whether it requires 3rd party crap or not, just that it is possible |
| 13:26.57 | casts | why are we talking about windows in this |
| 13:27.17 | babilen | *shrug* |
| 13:27.21 | krmX | hi all. is there a decent gui for xen that works on squeeze? |
| 13:27.34 | DammitJim | pipeline, I know OSX requires 3rd party crap for some reason |
| 13:27.35 | MrFrood | krmX: many |
| 13:27.43 | DammitJim | and I thought OSX ran some kinda linux kernel? |
| 13:27.59 | MeglaW | unux |
| 13:28.01 | MeglaW | unix |
| 13:28.01 | casts | palms face |
| 13:28.06 | LanoX | hey guys i am installing debian now what fs do u recommand |
| 13:28.06 | DammitJim | good question, casts ... I'm going to shut up now and just format this 1TB HDD to ext3 |
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| 13:28.12 | MeglaW | and bsd |
| 13:28.25 | MeglaW | it was freebsd kernel from the start right |
| 13:28.27 | babilen | LanoX: ext3/4, xfs or jfs -- What kind of machine is this? |
| 13:28.37 | LanoX | its just my home pc |
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| 13:28.53 | babilen | LanoX: use ext4 in that case. And it is "you" not "u" ;) |
| 13:28.56 | casts | LanoX: ext3 /boot, LVM+ext4 / |
| 13:28.58 | LanoX | grr i chose btrfs or something like that |
| 13:29.03 | MrFrood | LanoX: ext3 or ext4 if you are feeling brave |
| 13:29.16 | LanoX | yeah i set it under lvm just uset btrfs or something like that |
| 13:29.17 | babilen | LanoX: Don't use btrfs yet |
| 13:29.24 | krmX | MRFrood: I tried convirt, but cannot get it working |
| 13:29.27 | dvs | babilen: I put tar files on mine so I don't have to worry about permissions. |
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| 13:29.41 | babilen | dvs: ack |
| 13:29.42 | LanoX | babilen, any reason ? |
| 13:29.44 | DammitJim | weird... the drive isn't showing (connected via usb) |
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| 13:29.57 | babilen | LanoX: It is not quite ready |
| 13:30.16 | babilen | !tell LanoX -about btrfs |
| 13:30.49 | LanoX | aha how come debian doesnt have raiserfs |
| 13:30.53 | LanoX | that babilen |
| 13:31.30 | LanoX | hat = thanks |
| 13:31.35 | LanoX | that = thanks |
| 13:31.41 | babilen | casts: But I would follow casts advice and use ext2 or ext3 for /boot and ext3 or ext4 for everything else. Prefarably with LVM .. |
| 13:31.44 | dkr | LanoX: because it doesn't exist. try aptitude search reiser |
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| 13:32.23 | Mmike | How do I list all the IPs on a certain machine? |
| 13:32.31 | Mmike | Space delimited would be excellent |
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| 13:32.42 | LanoX | dkr, i understand and figured it that much buti am wondering why its not part of it most other distros still ahve it |
| 13:33.06 | DammitJim | /sbin/ifconfig | grep "inet addr" |
| 13:33.10 | DammitJim | Mmike, |
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| 13:33.48 | dkr | Mmike: ip -f inet addr list |
| 13:33.48 | kW_ | Hello! How can I install _all_ fonts debian provides automatically? |
| 13:34.02 | twobitsprite | !versions reiser |
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| 13:34.04 | petemc | ip a | awk '/inet/ { print $2 }' |
| 13:34.06 | Mmike | heh |
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| 13:34.13 | Mmike | sometimes a stupid question needs to be asked :) |
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| 13:34.25 | Mmike | thnx guys |
| 13:34.30 | dkr | judd: version reiser4progs |
| 13:34.33 | DammitJim | Mmike, I like petemc 's answer better, though |
| 13:34.44 | pipeline | DammitJim: OSX is a UNIX-compatible Mach derivative. Shares nothing with Linux. That's off-topic though. |
| 13:34.51 | twobitsprite | judd, that's right... forgot the bot's name for a sec |
| 13:35.04 | Mmike | DammitJim, true, same here :) |
| 13:35.06 | DammitJim | pipeline, you didn't have to answer that... thanks, though. you guys are too nice in here today LOL |
| 13:35.24 | babilen | hands DammitJim a cookie |
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| 13:35.34 | twobitsprite | judd: versions reiser4progs |
| 13:35.37 | judd | Package reiser4progs on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.6-1; sid: 1.0.7-6; squeeze: 1.0.7-6; wheezy: 1.0.7-6 |
| 13:35.44 | twobitsprite | there we go |
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| 13:36.04 | dkr | twobitsprite: ^5 |
| 13:37.09 | krmX | can anyone recommend a gui for xen then? |
| 13:37.22 | dkr | then what? |
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| 13:39.24 | dkr | convirt - A graphical Xen management tool |
| 13:39.35 | krmX | convirt doesn't work for me |
| 13:39.45 | dkr | I just did aptitude search \~dxen |
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| 13:40.00 | krmX | when I try to provision an image I get an error |
| 13:40.18 | twobitsprite | #xen might be able to help you with that |
| 13:40.20 | krmX | "Did not find any suitable server" |
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| 13:44.02 | krmX | ok, thx |
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| 13:48.56 | thewanderer1 | hi, how do I know if a USB joystick I might want to buy will be compatible? are all of them just HID, or is there a catch to it? |
| 13:49.23 | jorgp | hmm, I downloaded debian stable dvd 1 via jigdo and my mac sats its not a valid iso file |
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| 13:49.55 | jorgp | I just downloaded torrent file and had utorrent check the file, done 100%, still no valid iso image |
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| 13:52.39 | Mmike | Ok, my ip-list related stuff is a bit more complicated. I have several ethXX adapters, one bond0 and few dozen virtual lo interfaces. I need IP addresses only on all the ethXXX and bondXXX adapters, and IP addresses only |
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| 13:56.03 | mynameisdeleted | is ubuntu significatnly more comercial than debian? |
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| 13:56.47 | DammitJim | mynameisdeleted, what piece? |
| 13:57.09 | abrotman | mynameisdeleted: ask #ubuntu, not us |
| 13:57.13 | mynameisdeleted | in general the overal system |
| 13:57.15 | abrotman | mynameisdeleted: ask #ubuntu, not us |
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| 13:57.44 | Mmike | for eth in `ifconfig | sed 's/[ \t].*//;/^$/d' | grep -E 'eth|bond'`; do ifconfig $eth| awk '/inet\ addr/ { print $2 } ' | cut -d':' -f2; done | xargs |
| 13:57.49 | Mmike | how ill is that? |
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| 13:58.18 | casts | i'm scared |
| 13:58.46 | Jolia | Well done Mmike |
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| 13:59.08 | Mmike | Well, done it is, just not sure how well it is done. |
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| 14:00.29 | casts | wth does the xargs do |
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| 14:03.15 | jorgp | and MD5 matches, still not a valid ISO image |
| 14:03.28 | twobitsprite | !tell casts -about xargs |
| 14:03.28 | themill | Mmike: btw, use of grep and sed together -> could have just used sed. Use of awk and cut together -> could have just used awk. |
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| 14:03.38 | Riviera | Mmike: it's very ill. |
| 14:03.59 | casts | twobitsprite: maybe i should have been more specific "wth does the xargs do /there/" |
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| 14:04.27 | Mmike | themill, Riviera as one can see, my knowledge of sed is illish and of awk even more ill |
| 14:04.54 | twobitsprite | joins lines together I believe |
| 14:05.01 | Riviera | Mmike: please don't be offended, as these aren't the only horrors. |
| 14:05.29 | themill | Mmike: I've seen worse... I wouldn't have said anything if you'd not asked what people thought of it |
| 14:06.22 | Riviera | Mmike: loop with while, not with for over command output, use proper quoting, never use xargs without -0, never use xargs, use proper quoting, consider not parsing ifconfig at all. |
| 14:06.23 | Mmike | Riviera, themill no offense taken at all :) Although, I'd love of you guys could point me to the right way |
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| 14:06.39 | Leoneof | how to make gksu to ask for the password everytime? |
| 14:06.41 | Riviera | Mmike: these are the real thigns to worry about, the sed/grep/awk things are only secondary |
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| 14:07.06 | casts | twobitsprite: ahh. i see, i did not know xargs defaulted to /bin/echo :) |
| 14:08.09 | themill | Riviera: if you created an interface name with a space in it, then you deserve whatever you get. |
| 14:08.19 | Mmike | Riviera, ok, I get while over for. I tought of xargs because I needed all the IPs in one line, how do I have them like that without xargs? |
| 14:08.34 | Riviera | themill: that's odd thinking. |
| 14:08.57 | Riviera | themill: I mean, in other programming languages, would you write code like |
| 14:09.30 | themill | Riviera: you're running this stuff in a controlled environment. You don't need to over-engineer things just for the sake of it. This isn't #bash. |
| 14:09.30 | Riviera | themill: wordsplit(expand_glob_patterns(string)) |
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| 14:09.33 | AlecTaylor | I'm running Ubuntu 10.10 x86, and have just downloaded a package from debian.org. How do I download all of its dependencies automatically? |
| 14:09.47 | Riviera | themill: saying "well, they wouldn't do anything anyway, because string never contains whitespace or characters special to pathname generation" |
| 14:09.50 | Riviera | themill: :) |
| 14:10.06 | mentor | AlecTaylor: apt does that |
| 14:10.13 | mentor | AlecTaylor: Good luck |
| 14:10.25 | Riviera | themill: yes, but teaching these idiotic practises brings people to #bash |
| 14:10.26 | AlecTaylor | mentor: How do i use apt to do that? |
| 14:10.37 | twobitsprite | AlecTaylor: try #ubuntu |
| 14:10.44 | themill | AlecTaylor: mixing debian and ubuntu isn't a good idea. If the people in #ubuntu actually help you with this then you should run and hide; #debian will not help you with ubuntu systems. |
| 14:10.48 | MeglaW | !tell AlecTaylor ubuntu |
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| 14:11.12 | MeglaW | come on dpkg spit it out |
| 14:11.13 | Riviera | themill: it's silly even having to worry about whether the environment is controlled or not, that's over-something too, while just putting quotes makes things simple and easy. |
| 14:12.00 | AlecTaylor | lol |
| 14:12.57 | themill | Riviera: quotes are easy; rewriting to not use "for" is not, however. (Your point about not using ifconfig is an excellent one though... but the script makes so many other assumptions about the network layout it's not harmful) |
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| 14:17.50 | xk | MeglaW: tell about |
| 14:17.59 | xk | MeglaW: er tell nick about ... |
| 14:18.05 | homie` | ,mucho |
| 14:18.06 | Leoneof | anyone? |
| 14:18.13 | xk | !anyone |
| 14:18.13 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 14:18.25 | babilen | xk: check your backlog ;) |
| 14:18.26 | Leoneof | i didn't? |
| 14:18.30 | Leoneof | crying |
| 14:19.05 | MeglaW | tell AlecTaylor ubuntu |
| 14:19.20 | MeglaW | aha about also |
| 14:19.24 | MeglaW | tell AlecTaylor about ubuntu |
| 14:19.48 | casts | you'll need an ! in there |
| 14:19.52 | MeglaW | what about this syntax am i not getting |
| 14:19.57 | MeglaW | !tell AlecTaylor about ubuntu |
| 14:20.13 | Mmike | themill, Riviera insigthfull, thank you both, guys |
| 14:20.18 | Leoneof | anyone? :p |
| 14:20.53 | casts | Leoneof: it would seem we don't know much about that application, given how much we use computers, draw from that what you will |
| 14:20.54 | Leoneof | my question was.... |
| 14:21.03 | Leoneof | how to make gksu to ask for the password everytime? |
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| 14:21.30 | Leoneof | uh |
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| 14:22.42 | homie` | ,yow |
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| 14:25.11 | Leoneof | :( |
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| 14:26.26 | Leoneof | so |
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| 14:30.16 | kenifanying | hi all, how can i mount the iso image just double click it? |
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| 14:30.54 | kenifanying | I can do it in fedora default. |
| 14:31.05 | dkr | kenifanying: "the" iso image? |
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| 14:31.45 | kenifanying | dkr, my english is not so good. for example: debian.iso |
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| 14:32.17 | dkr | kenifanying: are you trying to install debian? |
| 14:32.52 | kenifanying | dkr, no , I had install debian squeeze. |
| 14:33.49 | kenifanying | dkr, I just want to know is there a way to mount xxx.iso file when i double click it. |
| 14:33.53 | dkr | or if you just want to look at the contents of an .iso, you can do mkdir /mnt/loop; mount -o loop foo.iso /mnt/loop |
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| 14:34.14 | kenifanying | dkr, Yes, I know it. |
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| 14:34.50 | kenifanying | dkr, In fedora 14, I double click a xxx.iso file. it can automount and have a icon in desktop |
| 14:35.11 | dkr | kenifanying: http://linuxondesktop.blogspot.com/2008/07/mount-iso-images-easily-under-nautilus.html |
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| 14:35.25 | themill | kenifanying: krusader can do that for you quite happily. |
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| 14:35.54 | kenifanying | dkr, themill, thanks, i will try it later. :-) |
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| 14:38.36 | Leoneof | same question, i want to mount iso with double click on iso file, like in ubuntu, it is not like nautilus scripts. |
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| 14:39.38 | casts | don't like mount -o loop eh? |
| 14:39.55 | kenifanying | leoneof, I have the same problem. :-) |
| 14:40.01 | Leoneof | not in command line |
| 14:40.19 | kenifanying | krusader is a mc-like file manager |
| 14:40.49 | kenifanying | http://linuxondesktop.blogspot.com/2008/07/mount-iso-images-easily-under-nautilus.html use a scripts |
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| 14:41.25 | Leoneof | kenifanying: Furius can mount isos, but looks like long journey |
| 14:41.38 | orudie | greetings. what is a good way of installing mysql, php, and phpmyadmin ? |
| 14:41.54 | themill | dpkg: tell orudie about lamp |
| 14:42.11 | kenifanying | i don't know fedora or ubuntu how to achieve it |
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| 14:42.43 | Leoneof | :( |
| 14:43.05 | kenifanying | any more suggestions? |
| 14:43.25 | dkr | kenifanying: what is wrong with a script? |
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| 14:44.18 | jorgp | is there a way to know current state of testing? |
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| 14:44.41 | jorgp | relatively |
| 14:44.45 | DammitJim | jorgp, current state is testing :D |
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| 14:45.31 | jorgp | I know, but sometimes its less stable then others |
| 14:45.39 | Leoneof | oh |
| 14:45.39 | kenifanying | dkr, no wrong, but in fedora, when i double click xxx.iso, no dialog box open. |
| 14:45.46 | Leoneof | kenifanying: got it, http://maketecheasier.com/mount-iso-bin-and-cue-files-from-nautilus/2009/05/23 |
| 14:46.14 | kenifanying | Leoneof, ok, let me see. |
| 14:47.28 | kenifanying | jorgp, it seems that debian testing stable than fedora or ubuntu. |
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| 14:51.34 | rly | How can you be sure that you are looking at your desktop environment and not just an application that happens to be full screen? |
| 14:51.45 | dkr | jorgp: well, the time since latest stable release and time until next expected release is probably loosely correlated with how stable testing is. :) |
| 14:52.07 | jorgp | probably |
| 14:52.16 | dkr | rly: look for instances of deja vu |
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| 14:52.49 | rly | dkr: ? |
| 14:53.08 | dkr | it was a matrix joke. how to know you are in the matrix... ;) |
| 14:53.14 | rly | dkr: this is a security feature. |
| 14:53.25 | themill | Ctrl+Alt+Esc and click on it -- if you get logged out it was your desktop, if you only one application dies then it wasn't. |
| 14:54.38 | rly | themill: it doesn't kill anything here, but it does draw a border around the window. |
| 14:55.17 | dkr | or use the kb shortcut to switch virtual desktops. i do tht to switch away from virtualbox running fulslcreen |
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| 14:55.45 | rly | Is Contr+Alt+Esc DE independent? |
| 14:55.51 | dkr | yes |
| 14:55.54 | dkr | er, no |
| 14:56.02 | rly | If it is not, it is still useless. |
| 14:56.49 | dkr | the only desktop environment independent stuff would be X keystrokes, like ctl-alt-F*,-,+,backspace |
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| 14:58.33 | dkr | and kernel stuff like alt-sysrq |
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| 14:59.22 | atan | Okay I was chatting with someone earlier about using screen and exiting my ssh connection |
| 14:59.30 | atan | they said ctrl+a D would detach it, then I logout |
| 14:59.31 | searching | how to make normal user sudo privileges |
| 14:59.38 | atan | So I did that, how do I get back in? screen opens a new one for me |
| 14:59.43 | f3xy | screen -x |
| 14:59.49 | h3sp4wn | Does anyone know if the kernel in unstable now supports xen dom0 by default ? |
| 14:59.50 | f3xy | screen -ls to see active screens |
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| 14:59.55 | f3xy | screen -x name |
| 15:00.03 | f3xy | if you only have one screen -x will just attach to it |
| 15:00.30 | atan | What if I have 3 open ones? I want to get htem back into that tab-like interface I had them in |
| 15:00.48 | f3xy | I don't know what you are reffering to as tabs |
| 15:00.50 | atan | It says there are several suitable screens and lists the 3 I had open |
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| 15:01.03 | atan | Sorry, ctrl+a n, ctrl+a p... |
| 15:01.05 | f3xy | yea so you do screen -x screen name |
| 15:01.09 | f3xy | yea |
| 15:01.16 | f3xy | ctrl-a " for help |
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| 15:01.53 | f3xy | you should find a good screenrc example too |
| 15:02.03 | f3xy | makes things much nicer |
| 15:02.17 | f3xy | I actually run screens in screens in screens |
| 15:02.29 | ws2k3 | lol |
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| 15:02.45 | f3xy | yo dawg we heard you like screen |
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| 15:03.31 | atan | Awesome. |
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| 15:03.51 | atan | When I'm in screen and detach, can I logout or exit? I logged out before and it stopped my stuff |
| 15:04.00 | homie | yo cath we heard you like pats |
| 15:04.40 | sephii | atan: If you detached your screen you can log out safely |
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| 15:05.02 | sephii | atan: When you come back you can just do a screen -ls to check if your screen is still here |
| 15:05.16 | pzn | how to convert a color pdf to greyscale? (need faster printing) |
| 15:05.32 | f3xy | if you detach the only thing that should kill the screen is a reboot of the box |
| 15:05.48 | atan | sephii, interesting. Okay something went wrong previously when I was messing around. If I enter 'screen' without the -x when I relogin would it kill my previous screens? |
| 15:06.09 | f3xy | it would create a new screen |
| 15:06.11 | f3xy | try it |
| 15:06.16 | f3xy | and check with screen -ls |
| 15:06.27 | atan | So if I have 3, and 'screen' again I would just have 4. My first 3 are safe? |
| 15:06.39 | f3xy | you should start invoking screen with -S <name> |
| 15:06.44 | f3xy | so you can keep track of them |
| 15:06.52 | f3xy | yup |
| 15:06.54 | atan | Oh that would be helpful! Right now they're all called bash. heh. |
| 15:07.02 | f3xy | no no |
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| 15:07.06 | f3xy | you misunderstand |
| 15:07.09 | f3xy | the probably are |
| 15:07.24 | atan | Bottom of my screen says (0*$bash) 1-$ bash 2$ bash ][2011-04-15 15:10 ] |
| 15:07.25 | f3xy | somenumber.something |
| 15:07.30 | atan | So I assume the name would change that bash thinger? |
| 15:07.31 | f3xy | yes exactly |
| 15:07.37 | f3xy | you misunderstand :) |
| 15:07.39 | f3xy | screen -ls |
| 15:07.41 | f3xy | type that |
| 15:07.49 | f3xy | those are the name of you screen sessions |
| 15:07.51 | atan | I see one which I join with numbers, right? |
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| 15:08.00 | f3xy | bash is a name of a tty inside a screen session |
| 15:08.02 | abrotman | !enter |
| 15:08.02 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 15:08.13 | f3xy | meh |
| 15:08.24 | atan | snickers |
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| 15:08.32 | atan | In any case you've been very helpful! Thank you. |
| 15:08.42 | atan | Now, I suppose, if I want to kill off a screen I am in? |
| 15:08.46 | atan | ctrl+a+x? |
| 15:08.49 | themill | pzn: ghostscript can do that for you, as can most pdf viewers from which you might be printing it from |
| 15:08.49 | atan | or c, rather |
| 15:09.37 | f3xy | ctrl-a \ |
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| 15:10.32 | themill | pzn: I have this snippet in my bash history.... ymmv: gs -sOutputFile=foogrey.pdf -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -sColorConversionStrategy=Gray -dProcessColorModel=/DeviceGray -dCompatibilityLevel=1.4 -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH foo.pdf |
| 15:10.36 | home-alone | Hi ! how can i want to contribute to debian , but i have no programming skills |
| 15:11.34 | atan | The commands I have running within screen don't stop when I detach, they keep running? :-) |
| 15:11.42 | karlpinc | atan: You may also want to put escape ^^^^ |
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| 15:12.13 | home-alone | can i contribute to debian if i dont have programming skills...??? |
| 15:12.20 | atan | karlpinc, escape ^^^^ I don't understand. |
| 15:12.22 | h3sp4wn | Does kernel in unstable now supports xen dom0 by default ? |
| 15:12.30 | atan | home-alone, money, graphical work, helpdesk, sure? I think anyway. |
| 15:13.02 | atan | Okay off to class before I'm late! Thanks guys. Peace. |
| 15:13.03 | karlpinc | atan: (oops) into your ~/.screenrc file so that you can use Ctrl-shift-6 instead of ctrl-a to control screen. This lets you use ctrl-a to go to the beginning of the line and otherwise help screen be compabible with emacs-style command-line editing. See also: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GnuScreen |
| 15:13.22 | atan | karlpinc, will bookmark for later thanks |
| 15:14.23 | home-alone | i will donate some money but i want to leave my steps in debian project |
| 15:15.45 | MrFrood | atan: another way to kill a sc |
| 15:15.51 | MrFrood | oops |
| 15:16.28 | MrFrood | atan: ... to kill a screen is ctrl+a :kill |
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| 15:18.18 | pzn | themill, nice, "gs" worked as expected. thanks! do you know any black-white converter (not grayscale) that does "dither" to convert? |
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| 15:19.15 | MMX2 | Hi, I am trying to install squeezy from an iso image only issue is i am not able to get it mounted :/ |
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| 15:20.28 | MMX2 | I tried to use "mount image.iso /cdrom" but it somehow got stuck in a loop and created a _lot_ of loop devices |
| 15:21.07 | rigved | MMX2: mount -o image.iso /cdrom |
| 15:21.59 | themill | pzn: hmm... gs has lots of knobs for these conversions, it might have one for that too. BTW my experience has usually been that reducing the resolution of images inside a PDF has a much greater effect on printing times than reducing the colour depth. |
| 15:22.00 | rigved | MMX2: you need to specify the "-o" option because the image.iso is basically mounted as a loopback device |
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| 15:22.33 | dkr | MMX2: uhm, if you are installing you should just boot from the cd, not mount it manually |
| 15:22.41 | MMX2 | rigved: ill try that in a minute |
| 15:22.41 | slt28800642 | don't you also need loop? mount -o loop isoname.iso /mnt ? |
| 15:23.05 | MMX2 | mount -o loop dose have the same effect |
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| 15:24.00 | themill | pzn: even something as simple as «ps2pdf -dAutoFilterColorImages=false -dColorImageFilter=/DCTEncode -dPDFSETTINGS=/printer hires.pdf lowres.pdf» helps a lot |
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| 15:25.20 | benno2 | hi, I have a PC with an AMD Athlon II X3 435, and according to the specs it supports amd64 (64bit).So I booted from debian-6.0.1a-amd64-netinst.iso and started installation but at some point it says no suitable kernel detected,machine might not boot.I finish the install and when I reboot indeed grub does not boot,no kernel image found.how can I force the amd64 kernel during install? thanks! |
| 15:25.20 | MMX2 | hm now i am getting "can't find /cdrom/ in /etc/fstab" |
| 15:25.33 | dkr | home-alone: http://www.debian.org/devel/join/ |
| 15:25.49 | rigved | MMX2: sorry. the correct command is: mount -o loop image.iso /cdrom |
| 15:26.04 | themill | wonders what MMX2 is really trying to do |
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| 15:26.55 | MMX2 | rigved: yeah i tried that one too, but it dose result in a loop |
| 15:27.18 | rigved | MMX2: the last one i gave you is the correct one. |
| 15:27.22 | pzn | themill, really. it helped a lot to lower resolution |
| 15:27.26 | MMX2 | i know |
| 15:27.49 | rigved | MMX2: you can check /cdrom directory to see if the image.iso has been mounted there or not |
| 15:27.56 | MMX2 | see i type the command (which is long) and hit enter and mount dose not respond |
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| 15:28.13 | MMX2 | infact after a short time i do hear the CPU fan |
| 15:28.19 | MMX2 | so it dose burn cp time |
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| 15:28.47 | MMX2 | CPU time; and at the end i do have a bunch of /dev/loop devices |
| 15:28.52 | rigved | MMX2: mount -o loop image.iso /cdrom <-- this is the correct one. please try this one more time. |
| 15:29.08 | MMX2 | the longer i keep mount running the more devies get spawned |
| 15:29.32 | themill | pzn: if you can do it at export time (from OpenOffice or whatever) then that might be an even better option. Resampling large images is a bit job for a little printer to do and you can end up with some quite enormous postscript files being sent to the printer too (when the postscript contains the uncompressed image rather than the pdf which contains a jpeg compressed version or similar) |
| 15:30.35 | MMX2 | rigved: here is my command i typed in full length "~ # mount -o loop /media/boot/isos/install/debian/amd64/debian-6.0.1a-amd64-CD-1.iso /cdrom/" |
| 15:31.06 | MMX2 | rigved: with or without an ending slash dose not matter |
| 15:31.36 | MMX2 | mount gets stuck untill i use CTRL C |
| 15:31.57 | ompaul | pzn: you could also calculate the DPI in the image, then if you use the face that 250dpi is what the human eye needs to make a high quality image in the brain you could refactor the image to scale thus so you don't have issues with quality or size |
| 15:31.59 | rigved | MMX2: type the following: mount |
| 15:32.13 | rigved | MMX2: only type mount and nothing after that |
| 15:32.16 | ompaul | %s/face/fact/g |
| 15:32.28 | rigved | MMX2: it will show you all the mounted devices |
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| 15:32.51 | rigved | MMX2: do you see your image.iso mounted in this list? |
| 15:33.00 | MMX2 | rigved: what do you want to know, i see all mounts, no its not listed |
| 15:34.16 | rigved | MMX2: ok |
| 15:34.22 | MMX2 | rigved: FYI /dev/sdb1 on /media (USB stick) |
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| 15:35.00 | themill | MMX2: I'm still not sure why you're trying to mount the iso image and what you're trying to achieve here |
| 15:35.09 | karlpinc | ompaul: I like that 250dpi number. Handy. |
| 15:35.31 | ws2k3 | hello guys i use firewall csf its based on iptabled. i'm trying to forward a port with iptables because i have vmware so i have some services running in vmware. is this possible? |
| 15:35.36 | ompaul | karlpinc: and interesting to calculate ;-) |
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| 15:35.56 | MMX2 | themill: i just don't see why i have to waste a CD to install debian, i wont use the CD anymore |
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| 15:36.24 | themill | MMX2: so what are you actually planning to do here? |
| 15:36.31 | rigved | MMX2: this command should work: mount -o loop /media/boot/isos/install/debian/amd64/debian-6.0.1a-amd64-CD-1.iso /cdrom |
| 15:36.32 | karlpinc | MMX2: Copy it to a usb stick and install from that? |
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| 15:36.59 | MMX2 | themill: with grub2 i booted the kernel of the iso with the initrd of the iso, the only thing to do is to mount the iso within the installer |
| 15:37.02 | rigved | MMX2: do you want to burn the image.iso to a cd? |
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| 15:38.32 | MMX2 | rigved: no i don't want to burn the image, i have the iso image on the stick and would like to boot it right away. i do know that the installer dose not support it but i thought i should be able to just mount the iso and continue with the installation |
| 15:38.40 | MMX2 | themill: i am seeking for help |
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| 15:39.03 | karlpinc | MMX2: The installer does let you dd the image to usb stick and boot from that. See the install guide. |
| 15:39.46 | MMX2 | karlpinc: that would be a solution but i am trying to not have one usb stick for one installer but multiple installers |
| 15:40.50 | rigved | MMX2: you could partition your USB stick, with one image per partition. |
| 15:40.50 | karlpinc | MMX2: I see. You might consider just setting a laptop up to support pxebooting and use that, but I see the attraction in having a single usb stick. |
| 15:41.26 | MMX2 | darn it i was hoping that i just was something missing, i guess i have to fiddle around later, g2g in a few minutes |
| 15:42.24 | MMX2 | karlpinc: i am already pretty far since i have a patached grub2 running that supports loading multiple initrd files. that way i would be able to patch the iso files on the fly to make them "iso bootable" |
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| 15:43.58 | mali | LOL... |
| 15:44.18 | karlpinc | MMX2: Have you manged to be able to destroy and re-create the partition table on a usb stick and still have the usb stick be bootable? If so I want to know how. I'll be on #debian-offtopic to hear further. |
| 15:44.20 | MMX2 | karlpinc: in case you are intrested there are pretty neat boot paramters already available for ubuntu making it able to boot form the iso right away: http://www.supergrubdisk.org/wiki/Loopback.cfg |
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| 15:45.08 | MMX2 | karlpinc: okay ill be there in 2 or 3 hrs |
| 15:45.10 | mali | hmm my sound died for some reason in sid, I did an update whilst thinking hmm why tdid this happen, forgot it was playing about (it was only 9 mb) and I did a reboot, then I couldn't log in from the dm into a session.. sigh.. so I ended up just putting arch on again and am in twm omg the memories.. such an ingenious wm for it's time! |
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| 15:46.21 | joe6 | i have a throwaway system with ubuntu on it. I want to move to debian. Is there an easy way to do it? such as changing the apt/sources.lst? |
| 15:46.40 | joe6 | and doing apt-get update and upgrade |
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| 15:46.43 | ompaul | joe6: the easy way to do it is grab the first install cd and run that |
| 15:46.57 | ompaul | joe6: what you described has no support |
| 15:47.13 | karlpinc | ompaul, joe6 : Really the easy way is to use the netinstall. |
| 15:47.41 | karlpinc | Using the cd1 means you've got to go back when done and change your sources.list, and you download stuff you may not be installing. |
| 15:47.45 | ompaul | !netinstall |
| 15:47.45 | dpkg | netinst is probably a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
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| 15:50.08 | benno2 | anyone knows why netinst amd64 says no suitable kernel found despite running it on an amd64 box. can I specify the kernel later in expert mode? I tried but did not find an option.perhaps from the cmdline ? |
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| 15:51.00 | sploozer | hello, i'm having problems trying to get my linux box to route traffic between NICS...eth0 net 1 eth1 net 2....I see the traffic come in on eth1 but nothing on eth0. I can reach the destined network from the linux box itself. I've setup /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward=1 and i believe i've turned off iptables...suggestions? |
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| 15:51.24 | ompaul | sploozer: did you restart networking since you did that? |
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| 15:51.37 | sploozer | no |
| 15:51.54 | ompaul | sploozer: you might want to |
| 15:52.02 | sploozer | ompaul: ip_forward=1 was always setup |
| 15:52.03 | justin_ | sploozer: you don't turn off iptables, it is off by default |
| 15:52.14 | sploozer | its a knoppix live cd |
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| 15:52.24 | ompaul | !knoppix |
| 15:52.24 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems. |
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| 15:52.53 | sploozer | haha |
| 15:53.29 | ompaul | why is that so funny? we don't know what klaus did to it |
| 15:53.42 | justin_ | ompaul: neither do we |
| 15:54.13 | ompaul | justin_: that makes at least three of us there has to be someone else |
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| 16:03.40 | c_rat | hello mates |
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| 16:07.55 | cobra-the-joker | !flash |
| 16:07.55 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
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| 16:11.45 | adamos | Hey guys - Does anyone know how to fix the following issue in vim (Debian 6)- When I write bash scripts and I try to add a "-" it brakes the whole line into a new line everywhere there is a - and its annoying. I removed the ai option but its still there |
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| 16:13.21 | c_rat | i'm unsure adamos |
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| 16:18.25 | cahoot | is it running? |
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| 16:23.04 | orudie | i have problem installing mysql server , I followed themill's advice and here is what I see http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 16:24.04 | cahoot | orudie: just for your information - you need a complete url |
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| 16:26.07 | dkr | cahoot: can't you just start looking through every single pasted item to look for one that might involve installing mysql? |
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| 16:26.32 | orudie | sorry I pasted but didn't hit send http://paste.debian.net/114133/ |
| 16:26.40 | orudie | dkr, so there is no way he can find it |
| 16:26.41 | cahoot | dkr: found 134 such |
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| 16:27.53 | dkr | orudie: hrm, the trouble seemed to start when it tried to start mysqld. check the logs to see why that failed |
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| 16:29.27 | orudie | dkr, both /var/log/mysql.err and /var/log/mysql.log contain no data |
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| 16:32.53 | p0s | hi. i heard that kernel 2.6.30 includes multi-threading for dm-crypt. my new debian6.0.1 installation is on 2.6.32-5 but only seems to use 1 thread for decrypting. how can i enable multi-threading? |
| 16:33.53 | orudie | anything for me ? |
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| 16:35.23 | dkr | orudie: try starting it yourself? check daemon.log/syslog. tell us what you did weird before what you pasted to cause the situation... hehe |
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| 16:40.29 | bs_ | hello, apache2 is a good choice for webserver? |
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| 16:41.05 | thomasfuston | it is a good choice |
| 16:41.44 | Leoneof | how to make gksu to ask for the password everytime? |
| 16:42.39 | bs_ | thomasfuston: thanks |
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| 16:43.49 | orudie | dkr, i ran this "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-mysql" |
| 16:44.04 | orudie | krabbe, then aptitude install phpmyadmin |
| 16:44.12 | orudie | err dkr ^^ |
| 16:45.02 | orudie | dkr, at first this completed successfully "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-mysql" |
| 16:45.46 | orudie | dkr, in the middle of "aptitude install phpmyadmin " after it asked me to create database, it gave error 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL |
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| 16:46.34 | phretor | hi, I need to test whether a certain DHCP responds correctly, w/o applying any received settings to the NIC. Is this possible? |
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| 16:46.58 | orudie | ERROR: 1064 You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server versi$ |
| 16:47.26 | orudie | Apr 15 12:20:07 debiancrm mysqld: 110415 12:20:07 [ERROR] Can't start server: Bind on TCP/IP port: Cannot assign requested address |
| 16:47.26 | orudie | Apr 15 12:20:07 debiancrm mysqld: 110415 12:20:07 [ERROR] Do you already have another mysqld server running on port: 3306 ? |
| 16:47.43 | orudie | thats from syslog |
| 16:47.44 | abrotman | WELL, DO YOU? speak up, what do you have to say about that? |
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| 16:48.26 | DonAlex | Hi guys.. what is going on with the Debian repos? I can't seem to cross debootstrap anymore http://pastebin.ca/2046885 |
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| 16:49.02 | orudie | sudo /etc/init.d/mysql restart |
| 16:49.02 | orudie | Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld. |
| 16:49.02 | orudie | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
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| 16:49.03 | DonAlex | Why are the Release files coming back as zero length? |
| 16:49.12 | uoods | !tell orudie about paste |
| 16:49.45 | DonAlex | orudie: Hey.. use http://pastebin.com or http://pastebin.ca |
| 16:49.47 | orudie | ps | grep mysql , doesn't show mysql running process |
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| 16:51.33 | babilen | Leoneof: Ok, i've done some googling for you. Apparently you can set /apps/gksu/save-to-keyring to false with gconf-editor, but this might not work as per this bug: http://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?30437 -- You might also want to take a look at the other options for gksu and at this discussion: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=44072#p251123 -- I would, however, not blindly delete the default keyring. *don't delete it!* move it ... |
| 16:51.39 | babilen | ... somewhere else if necessary .. |
| 16:52.26 | babilen | orudie: I am sure that mysql logs somewhere why it is not starting. It might also help to add "set -x" in the second line of its init script to see where the error occurs. |
| 16:52.42 | babilen | orudie: Check the log files (mysql,daemon, ...) |
| 16:53.09 | orudie | babilen, /var/log/mysql.log and mysql.err are empty |
| 16:53.32 | orudie | anyway, I jsut reverted to backup snapshot |
| 16:53.51 | babilen | Leoneof: And before you do this, could you paste the output of "gconftool -R /apps/gksu" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 16:54.24 | DonAlex | orudie: Why not try and start mysqld by hand and see what it barfs at? |
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| 16:54.39 | guzu | hello all |
| 16:54.50 | orudie | is this the right way to isntall mysql and php ? (I already have Apache2 installed) aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-mysql |
| 16:55.12 | guzu | i no longer see the mouse cursor on debian 6, thinkpad x40 |
| 16:55.14 | orudie | DonAlex, I already reverted to system backup |
| 16:55.20 | guzu | any help would be appreciated |
| 16:55.45 | DonAlex | orudie: in that case you will never know what it was you did wrong and are doomed to repeat it some day ;) |
| 16:55.56 | orudie | DonAlex, :) |
| 16:56.17 | babilen | guzu: known bug -- http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=619019 |
| 16:56.22 | orudie | DonAlex, all I did was this "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-mysql" |
| 16:56.28 | DonAlex | guzu: When you say mouse cursor do you mean in X or on the console. |
| 16:56.38 | guzu | DonAlex, in xorg |
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| 16:56.47 | orudie | as sone good man told me about LAMP and dpkg scriped pmed me with this command line |
| 16:57.11 | DonAlex | guzu: have a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 16:57.25 | DonAlex | guzu: See what it says about pointing devices. |
| 16:57.34 | babilen | orudie: should be fine |
| 16:57.52 | babilen | guzu: Have you seen my remark? Which kernel version do you use? (uname -r) |
| 16:58.23 | DonAlex | orudie: Well might be a case of a config file that has been deprecated.. |
| 16:58.30 | guzu | babilen, yes, thank you very much |
| 16:58.58 | guzu | babilen, 2.6.32-5-i686 |
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| 17:01.11 | babilen | guzu: Ah, sorry :) -- Could you paste "dpkg -l 'linux-image-*'|grep ^ii" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
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| 17:01.44 | DonAlex | So any ideas why cdebootstrap seems to be failing now? |
| 17:01.55 | guzu | babilen, i don't know, i can't use tjhe mouse, so i'll check how much info is there :) |
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| 17:02.35 | DonAlex | why do I end up with this each time ?" E: Couldn't validate Release!" |
| 17:03.45 | babilen | guzu: ok .. do you have the -31 kernel version installed? |
| 17:03.57 | guzu | babilen, yes |
| 17:04.14 | guzu | and i don't know how to downgrade :) |
| 17:04.20 | orudie | I ran aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-mysql and it sthe same thing again |
| 17:04.28 | orudie | why am I struggling with this so much ? |
| 17:04.30 | orudie | errrr |
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| 17:06.29 | DonAlex | orudie: Like I suggested run mysqld by hand and see what happens. Error might be obvious.. (perm error missing lib etc) |
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| 17:07.41 | HackeMate | hello, i have a brother MFC 7360n print & scanner and i cant find the correct driver |
| 17:07.54 | HackeMate | i installed a deb package from brother.com and via cups i install it |
| 17:07.58 | HackeMate | but just print blank pages |
| 17:08.05 | HackeMate | or strange symbols |
| 17:08.06 | babilen | guzu: it is almost certainly the bug I linked in that case. Downgrade your kernel to -30 (dpkg -i the_kernel.deb) and it should be fine. You can download it from snapshot.debian.org or you might even find it in /var/cache/apt/archives/ -- You are looking for http://snapshot.debian.org/package/linux-2.6/2.6.32-30/#linux-image-2.6.32-5-686_2.6.32-30 (or the bigmem) one |
| 17:08.39 | DonAlex | orudie: Should get something looking like this.. http://pastebin.ca/2046895 |
| 17:08.56 | babilen | guzu: I would have a look at /var/cache/apt/archives/ though -- "ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.32*" |
| 17:09.04 | DonAlex | orudie: Just without the crashed tables ;) |
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| 17:09.55 | guzu | babilen, only 2.6.32-1 |
| 17:10.10 | guzu | in cache |
| 17:10.20 | babilen | guzu: you mean -31 don't you? |
| 17:10.33 | guzu | oh, -31, yes sorry |
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| 17:11.15 | Leoneof | babilen: sorry, i've been away |
| 17:11.19 | Leoneof | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/114141/ |
| 17:11.19 | orudie | this log is from syslog after /etc/init.d/mysql start http://pastebin.ca/2046896 |
| 17:11.34 | DonAlex | HackeMate: Have you checked if the printer is BR3 or BR2 compatible? |
| 17:11.36 | babilen | hehe, ok. download the package from the link I gave you (let me check that its correct once more) and install it with "dpkg -i the_kernel.deb" -- Could you paste the output of dpkg -l 'linux-image-*'|grep ^ii" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 17:11.58 | guzu | ok |
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| 17:12.13 | HackeMate | DonAlex: it works, i just need the scanner now |
| 17:12.15 | babilen | Leoneof: Ok, try setting "save-to-keyring" to false (gconf-editor / gconftool-2) |
| 17:12.31 | mad__bull | hi, i'm trying to install packages from a repo which has more up to date packages |
| 17:12.41 | mad__bull | well one package i want which isn't in my distros repo |
| 17:12.49 | DonAlex | HackeMate: Look at the sane howto.. brscan layer.. |
| 17:12.49 | mad__bull | the latest one isn't |
| 17:13.09 | mad__bull | and i want to install the latest package from the newer repo, but not anything else |
| 17:13.25 | mad__bull | i'm trying to use apt-get -t along with apt pinning and preferences file |
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| 17:13.33 | mad__bull | anyone have experience with that? |
| 17:14.04 | DonAlex | Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa why am I STILL getting E: Couldn't validate Release! for cdebootstrap?! |
| 17:14.10 | babilen | mad__bull: plenty of people -- what are you exactly trying to achieve? |
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| 17:14.18 | Leoneof | babilen: done, but nothing new :/ |
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| 17:14.50 | babilen | Leoneof: Log out -- it is almost certainly saved in the current keyring until you start a new session |
| 17:14.51 | mad__bull | so the repositories for my distro contain an out of date package for my graphics card |
| 17:15.08 | Leoneof | babilen: oh ok, *logging out* |
| 17:15.08 | mad__bull | so i need to add ubuntu repos to get the uptodate version of package |
| 17:15.16 | mad__bull | but i don't want to break my system |
| 17:15.25 | mad__bull | so i am trying to get just the package i want |
| 17:15.28 | babilen | mad__bull: which distro is that? which graphic card? which package? where do you plan to get the new one from? why do you need the newer version? ... ... ... |
| 17:15.32 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
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| 17:16.02 | mad__bull | distro: backtrack. graphics card: intel ironlake chipset. package: xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 17:16.19 | jelly-home | !backtrack |
| 17:16.20 | dpkg | BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. |
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| 17:16.21 | babilen | mad__bull: backtrack is not supported in here -- try #backtrack-linux |
| 17:16.26 | babilen | jelly-home: grmml |
| 17:16.29 | orudie | DonAlex, does that pastebin help ? |
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| 17:16.35 | mad__bull | i need the newer one because my graphics chip not supported in the backtrack repos |
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| 17:16.37 | orudie | DonAlex, http://pastebin.ca/2046896 |
| 17:16.43 | babilen | mad__bull: That said: It is almost certainly a bad idea to mix ubuntu in there ... |
| 17:16.43 | jelly-home | babilen: no, grml is a different livecd <g> |
| 17:16.50 | mad__bull | babilen, but surely my question is a generic apt question? |
| 17:16.57 | mad__bull | babilen, yeah i figured it was a bad idea |
| 17:17.04 | mad__bull | but how on earth do i do this if not like this? |
| 17:17.07 | babilen | mad__bull: backtrack is not supported in here </discussion> |
| 17:17.09 | mad__bull | do i compile all deps by source |
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| 17:17.13 | mad__bull | ok |
| 17:17.17 | mad__bull | fine |
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| 17:17.36 | jelly-home | mad__bull: ##linux is a better place if the distro channel is inactive |
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| 17:17.38 | babilen | mad__bull: Please consider to install Debian if you want support in here. :) |
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| 17:18.08 | DonAlex | orudie: Need a bit more of that from the top.. just got the tail end of it exiting. Though if you do it from the console it is easy enough to just run "mysqld" and see what happens |
| 17:18.28 | jelly-home | mad__bull: if you provide the pci-id number of your card, we can check if there's a driver in debian |
| 17:18.47 | babilen | mad__bull: that would be "lspci -nn|grep -i VGA" |
| 17:18.53 | mad__bull | jelly, i already use debian |
| 17:18.58 | mad__bull | and i know it is supported |
| 17:19.01 | babilen | mad__bull: no, you use backtrack |
| 17:19.06 | mad__bull | no i already use debain |
| 17:19.13 | mad__bull | i was using debian before backtrack |
| 17:19.15 | mad__bull | from sarge |
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| 17:19.55 | guzu | babilen, downloading deb |
| 17:20.32 | babilen | guzu: wait! (or download it, you'll need it) -- but please paste the output of the command I gave you :) |
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| 17:20.56 | Leoneof | babilen: nothing new :/ |
| 17:20.57 | hotwings | debian testing.. just "upgraded" dpkg and now this is happening: http://pastebin.com/ts6Bn2Dt |
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| 17:21.23 | Leoneof | babilen: but never mind, i'm fine :p |
| 17:21.31 | kW_ | Hello, how can I set an "error" type in debconf-set-selections? |
| 17:21.32 | twobitsprite | is there something like cobbler for debian? (cobbler is a tool for managing a pxe boot/install server) |
| 17:21.48 | guzu | babilen, first ii is 2.6.32+29 metapackage |
| 17:21.55 | babilen | Leoneof: Ok, then the bug is not fixed yet. You might want to try the things in the forum post, but move the keyring away instead of deleting it. |
| 17:22.03 | guzu | babilen, second (last) is the -31 |
| 17:22.09 | guzu | still |
| 17:22.10 | kW_ | Something like echo "linux-base linux-base/disk-id-manual error" | debconf-set-selections |
| 17:22.15 | Leoneof | babilen: okay |
| 17:22.29 | Leoneof | babilen: oh, thanks for the help :-) |
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| 17:22.47 | orudie | DonAlex, what do you mean by run "mysqld", /etc/init.d/mysql start ? |
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| 17:22.57 | babilen | guzu: Ah -- Please install "pastebinit" and run "dpkg -l 'linux-image-*'|grep ^ii | pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" and give me the URL :) |
| 17:23.20 | DonAlex | orudie: I mean at the # prompt just type "mysqld" |
| 17:23.25 | guzu | mmm, babilen i'm already installing the mouse enabler :) |
| 17:23.28 | babilen | Leoneof: Good luck -- If that still doesn't work curse upstream and confirm the issue on their bugtracker. |
| 17:23.36 | babilen | guzu: ok |
| 17:23.55 | guzu | babilen, but i'll try to rebuild the output as it was |
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| 17:24.09 | orudie | DonAlex, okay here it is http://paste.debian.net/114144/ |
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| 17:25.06 | babilen | guzu: one second, if it is that much work I don't really need it :) |
| 17:25.07 | DonAlex | orudie: Well there you have it.. something else is using port 3306.. is another mysqld running ? ps aux |grep mysqld |
| 17:25.22 | guzu | babilen, ok then :) |
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| 17:25.38 | guzu | i'll just reboot and see if i can get the system back :) |
| 17:25.46 | babilen | guzu: Ah, it should be fine. Just install that package :) |
| 17:25.48 | orudie | DonAlex, pmishuk 28327 0.0 0.1 3300 744 pts/1 S+ 13:25 0:00 grep mysqld |
| 17:25.55 | beate | Hi, I have a sound-related problem; vlc: "VLC failed to initialize your sound output device (if any). |
| 17:26.00 | beate | Please update alsa-lib to version 1.0.23-2-g8d80d5f" |
| 17:26.13 | DonAlex | orudie: kill it and then try starting the server again via /etc/init.d |
| 17:26.24 | beate | This happend after a dist-upgrade to testing |
| 17:26.39 | twobitsprite | judd: versions cobbler |
| 17:26.41 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'cobbler' was found in i386. |
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| 17:27.50 | guzu | babilen, can you point me to some doc to switch to testing? |
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| 17:28.01 | guzu | stable is too stable for me :) |
| 17:28.06 | DonAlex | orudie: oh wait sorry yes. type this then "lsof -i tcp:3306" |
| 17:28.19 | guzu | oh, i have mouse cursor~! |
| 17:28.19 | DonAlex | orudie: Assuming you have lsof installed of course |
| 17:28.20 | babilen | guzu: Really bad idea as wheezy is quite broken these days. |
| 17:28.28 | guzu | babilen, i see |
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| 17:29.08 | babilen | guzu: come back later and ask again. It boils down to changing your sources and "aptitude full-upgrade" basically -- But I would *really* not recommend it now. |
| 17:29.33 | guzu | babilen, thank you very much, now i can use debian again :) |
| 17:30.18 | babilen | guzu: You are very welcome. :) |
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| 17:30.23 | guzu | goodbye babilen , DonAlex et all. happy hackin! |
| 17:31.26 | justin_ | mysql in debian still does not listen on the tcp port by default, does it? |
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| 17:32.17 | orudie | DonAlex, lsof -i tcp:3306 returns nothing |
| 17:33.12 | justin_ | orudie: something tells me that you are not telling us the whole story here |
| 17:33.14 | DonAlex | orudie: hmm really? mysql seems to think there is something there. |
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| 17:33.35 | justin_ | DonAlex: no it doesn't |
| 17:34.07 | orudie | well, what do you want me to do ? this is the first time i'm having such problem |
| 17:34.20 | DonAlex | justin_: Well does not start http://paste.debian.net/114144/ casue it can't bind to the port.. |
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| 17:34.32 | justin_ | 'Cannot assign requested address' |
| 17:34.52 | justin_ | you get that error if you try to bind to an ip address not allocated to the machine |
| 17:34.57 | DonAlex | justin_: An invalid host record? |
| 17:35.04 | orudie | I saw something about InnoDB during mysql installation, could that be it ? |
| 17:35.06 | justin_ | his /etc/hosts file could be broken |
| 17:35.24 | justin_ | ah, I remember now |
| 17:35.39 | justin_ | debian changed mysql I think from not doing networking, to binding to 'localhost' by default |
| 17:35.54 | DonAlex | justin_: What the chances of having no localhost defined.. ;) |
| 17:36.00 | justin_ | so if his /etc/hosts file is broken and does not have 'localhost' then I think mysql won't start |
| 17:36.14 | justin_ | DonAlex: I actually had that problem a few weeks ago because /etc/hosts was 0600 |
| 17:36.21 | justin_ | took me 3 hours to figure out why postgres wouldn't start |
| 17:36.38 | DonAlex | *nods* Yup. could be.. I got bitten like that before. |
| 17:36.48 | DonAlex | justin_: Hey and it was on postgres too ;) |
| 17:36.54 | justin_ | of course :) |
| 17:37.02 | DonAlex | small world huh? |
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| 17:37.39 | lvh | anyone ever successfully dumped a VM image of any kind onto a laptop? Any caveats? |
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| 17:37.55 | lvh | I've done a similar trick before, but only local VMs -> EC2 VMs. |
| 17:38.10 | justin_ | lvh: what's it a VM of? |
| 17:38.34 | orudie | justin_, DonAlex cat /etc/hosts http://paste.debian.net/114148/ |
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| 17:38.49 | justin_ | orudie: ls -l /etc/hosts ? |
| 17:39.17 | orudie | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 255 Apr 15 13:37 /etc/hosts |
| 17:39.23 | Loldumbfreenod-e | Hi |
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| 17:39.42 | lvh | justin_: Debian squeeze. |
| 17:39.43 | justin_ | well, it's not that :-) |
| 17:39.44 | jelly-home | justin_: presumably debian |
| 17:39.51 | Loldumbfreenod-e | Is there any way to convert iso to usb image? |
| 17:40.06 | orudie | justin_, 1876087 /etc/hosts :) |
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| 17:40.31 | lvh | justin_: Running in a qemu-kvm vm, but I also have VMWare Workstation and Virtualbox at my disposal. |
| 17:40.32 | orudie | justin_, still not it ? |
| 17:40.50 | DonAlex | orudie: have a look at /etc/mysql/my.conf what is the bind to address? |
| 17:40.57 | justin_ | orudie: ifconfig ? |
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| 17:41.06 | DonAlex | orudie: that is bind-address = x.x.x.x |
| 17:41.27 | justin_ | orudie: does ifconfig list lo with 127.0.0.1 ? |
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| 17:41.50 | DonAlex | Could be binding to 127.0.1.1 by mistake? |
| 17:41.56 | orudie | DonAlex, bind-address = 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:42.02 | Loldumbfreenod-e | I'm using windows so i should install grub first and extract iso in it... I tried dding the iso but it didn't help... So i want a less painful way... |
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| 17:42.08 | justin_ | no, that's fine, could be that the lo interface is not up |
| 17:42.13 | DonAlex | Orphis_: and the out put of ifconfig? |
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| 17:42.25 | justin_ | in that case attempting to bind to 127.0.0.1 will give the 'Cannot assign requested address' error |
| 17:42.27 | DonAlex | orudie: and ifconfig? |
| 17:43.03 | orudie | DonAlex, justin_ http://paste.debian.net/114151/ |
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| 17:43.13 | justin_ | there we go :-) |
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| 17:43.27 | justin_ | orudie: your /etc/network/interfaces file is broken |
| 17:43.30 | Loldumbfreenod-e | :( |
| 17:43.33 | DonAlex | justin_: Yeah good call.. |
| 17:43.38 | justin_ | orudie: you are missing 'auto lo' and 'iface lo inet loopback' |
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| 17:43.40 | orudie | heh |
| 17:43.48 | justin_ | add that, run 'ifup lo' and mysql will start |
| 17:43.50 | DonAlex | or something brought down lo for some reason |
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| 17:44.00 | justin_ | oh, could be that too I suppose, check first :) |
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| 17:44.13 | justin_ | more likely it's just missing |
| 17:44.20 | DonAlex | just try ifup lo and see if lo comes up |
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| 17:44.27 | DonAlex | *nods* |
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| 17:44.39 | Loldumbfreenod-e | No one interested in helping me? |
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| 17:45.24 | justin_ | Loldumbfreenod-e: what iso image? |
| 17:45.27 | DonAlex | Loldumbfreenod-e: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ |
| 17:45.42 | orudie | justin_, how does this look? http://paste.debian.net/114152/ |
| 17:45.48 | DonAlex | Loldumbfreenod-e: should keep you happy as a windows user ;) |
| 17:45.53 | justin_ | orudie: good |
| 17:46.14 | Loldumbfreenod-e | I wanna burn *.iso with a boot image |
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| 17:46.25 | DonAlex | orudie: so try ifup lo and see what it says |
| 17:46.45 | abrotman | Loldumbfreenod-e: read the instruction manual .. it tells you how to prepare installation media |
| 17:46.56 | Loldumbfreenod-e | Pendrivelinux doesn't help for my question... |
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| 17:47.18 | orudie | DonAlex, try what ? |
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| 17:47.28 | lilith | hi all |
| 17:48.14 | Loldumbfreenod-e | So... Instruction manual is universal? For all os? |
| 17:48.17 | babilen | orudie: start mysql? |
| 17:48.20 | DonAlex | Loldumbfreenod-e: Well the question you raised was <Loldumbfreenod-e> Is there any way to convert iso to usb image?, but yes.. the how to explains how to do it in linux.. else I would just get the boot iso and use pendrive to install it if you are in windows.. |
| 17:48.27 | babilen | Loldumbfreenod-e: What are you trying to do? |
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| 17:48.37 | orudie | justin_, ifconfig http://paste.debian.net/114153/ |
| 17:48.45 | orudie | babilen, i tried, same error |
| 17:48.52 | Loldumbfreenod-e | I want to write iso image to usb |
| 17:49.00 | Loldumbfreenod-e | So that it boots |
| 17:49.04 | babilen | orudie: You still don't have "lo" |
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| 17:49.13 | babilen | Loldumbfreenod-e: Of what? |
| 17:49.13 | DonAlex | orudie: Hmm interesting.. |
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| 17:49.24 | DonAlex | orudie: Ok type ifconfig lo what does it show? |
| 17:49.47 | Loldumbfreenod-e | Of ... You'll probably chase me if i say what... I want a universal way for my image... |
| 17:50.12 | babilen | Loldumbfreenod-e: How exactly is that related to Debian? |
| 17:50.13 | orudie | ifconfig lo http://paste.debian.net/114154/ |
| 17:50.26 | dtcrshr | Im making a debian virtual machine that ill use for testing purposes, i want to access its graphical interface (gnome) remotely, wich tool do you recommend for best performance as vnc server? |
| 17:50.28 | Loldumbfreenod-e | I mean a universal waY to burn it to usb with loader |
| 17:50.30 | lilith | has anyone installed a key using the apt-get install command? I guess I should get the packages without verification error, huh? |
| 17:50.36 | babilen | orudie: "ifup lo" |
| 17:50.46 | Loldumbfreenod-e | This is related to an operating system |
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| 17:50.58 | orudie | babilen, nothing returns from ifup lo |
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| 17:51.02 | Loldumbfreenod-e | Do yo really want to know which os? |
| 17:51.02 | babilen | Loldumbfreenod-e: You want to install Debian from USB and you are currently using Windows? |
| 17:51.28 | babilen | orudie: ok, that is not a problem. What does "ifconfig" say now? |
| 17:51.38 | babilen | Loldumbfreenod-e: yes, sure I want to know |
| 17:52.06 | Loldumbfreenod-e | Burn ****s**e of which i has a working iso image |
| 17:52.13 | babilen | Loldumbfreenod-e: I want to understand your problem and what you are trying to achieve so I can help you. I still fail to see what all this has to do with Debian though. |
| 17:52.18 | DonAlex | babilen: pendrivelinux is the easiest way I suggest. Take Debian netinstall iso and use the 3 click tool to install it to a usb stick ;) |
| 17:52.22 | Loldumbfreenod-e | FreeSBIE |
| 17:52.33 | orudie | ifconfig has lo :) http://paste.debian.net/114155/ |
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| 17:53.07 | DonAlex | orudie: better now try and start mysql |
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| 17:53.14 | Loldumbfreenod-e | This is not related to debian but your answers apply to debian |
| 17:53.16 | babilen | Loldumbfreenod-e: Once again: How is this related to Debian? |
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| 17:53.36 | bs_ | iam trying to install appache2, but i got some fqdn error, i edited the hostname and hosts file for the real ones, but its not updating, when will this changes happen? |
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| 17:53.48 | Loldumbfreenod-e | This is related to "operating systems" category so i wanted help so i joined here |
| 17:54.02 | orudie | it started guys :) |
| 17:54.04 | orudie | heh |
| 17:54.13 | orudie | wow , thanks so much |
| 17:54.16 | DonAlex | Loldumbfreenod-e: Look I think you are missing the point. If you want to convert a Debian iso boot disk to a USB boot stick in windows then you USE pendrivelinux. It even comes with the option to download the iso image for you . how easy can it get? |
| 17:54.26 | Loldumbfreenod-e | Sorry if i annoyed you but i really need help burning it to usb |
| 17:55.06 | Loldumbfreenod-e | And pendrive linux doesn't convert iso to img, does it? |
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| 17:55.35 | DonAlex | Loldumbfreenod-e: it converts and ISO image to a USB boot stick. Yes. |
| 17:55.38 | Loldumbfreenod-e | I think it writes mbr, extracts to key and then does configuration... |
| 17:56.12 | Loldumbfreenod-e | It writes its own bootloader and Extracts, not converts |
| 17:56.34 | DonAlex | Loldumbfreenod-e: It does the whole lot, format your usb stick.. install syslinux convet the iso extract the image and puts it in all one neat package |
| 17:57.16 | Loldumbfreenod-e | Why does it converts if it can extract? You miss the point... |
| 17:57.29 | DonAlex | Loldumbfreenod-e: You are a but new to this aren;t you? Syslinux is what it used to boot of a usb stick.. you cannot use an El-torido image directly. |
| 17:57.58 | DonAlex | Loldumbfreenod-e: USB drives behave differently to CDroms hence you use something that handles them. |
| 17:57.58 | Loldumbfreenod-e | It dd's the img of ITS bootloader, not the iso's boot sector |
| 17:58.18 | Loldumbfreenod-e | Ok |
| 17:58.21 | dkr | why waste time trying it when we can spend hours guessing as to ways it might not work based on incomplete information? |
| 17:58.35 | Loldumbfreenod-e | So it doesn't convert iso, it just extracts it |
| 17:58.51 | Loldumbfreenod-e | I provided you complete information i thing |
| 17:58.56 | Loldumbfreenod-e | Think* |
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| 17:59.49 | DonAlex | Loldumbfreenod-e: Look I'll have one last try.. the CD iso is Floppy image + Disk Image.. A bootable usb stick is syslinux + Disk image.. geddit? |
| 18:00.13 | dkr | Loldumbfreenod-e: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en "To prepare the USB stick, you will need a system where GNU/Linux is already running and where USB is supported." |
| 18:00.31 | Loldumbfreenod-e | Pendrivelinux doesn't convert image, does it? It just "extracts"... Do you say cd boot and usb bootloaders are different? |
| 18:00.48 | DonAlex | dkr: He is a windows user , that is why I told him to use pendrive.. |
| 18:00.51 | dkr | arguing semantics with poor english is never a good idea |
| 18:01.04 | DonAlex | Loldumbfreenod-e: Glory halleullia |
| 18:01.29 | DonAlex | Loldumbfreenod-e: Yes.. they are different. One is a Cd and one is a USB drive. |
| 18:01.41 | zpb0103 | Are we talking about this? http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ |
| 18:01.47 | Loldumbfreenod-e | I'm on mobile, use a mobile first to type stuff in irc, then feel the difficulty to type in english, mr.englishman |
| 18:01.47 | justin_ | DonAlex: debian squeeze cd images are hyrbid images that boot as both usb images and cd imgaes |
| 18:01.59 | DonAlex | justin_: Don't you start ;) |
| 18:02.22 | DonAlex | zpb0103: Yes it was.. |
| 18:02.39 | justin_ | !+isohybrid |
| 18:02.47 | DonAlex | zpb0103: Perfect for a windows user. All very easy to follow and will even Download the iso for you how trivial is that? |
| 18:02.47 | Loldumbfreenod-e | DonAlex: so do you say it just writes pc-sysinstall and extracts stuff- |
| 18:02.49 | Loldumbfreenod-e | ? |
| 18:02.50 | justin_ | stupid bot :) |
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| 18:03.19 | zpb0103 | I had to download the ISO's myself :( |
| 18:03.23 | DonAlex | justin_: Yeah I know.. but lets not overheat the windows user her.. |
| 18:03.26 | Loldumbfreenod-e | ... |
| 18:03.32 | DonAlex | zpb0103: Awwww well now next time you know ;) |
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| 18:03.53 | Loldumbfreenod-e | I'm a freebsd user too |
| 18:04.12 | DonAlex | Loldumbfreenod-e: Essentially yes.. it can convert pretty much any bootable iso image into a usb bootable image.. |
| 18:04.22 | Loldumbfreenod-e | Can you at least instruct me to install lilo in it please? |
| 18:04.34 | dkr | hah |
| 18:04.41 | Loldumbfreenod-e | It's not called converting... |
| 18:05.27 | DonAlex | dkr: *rolls his eyes* Ok.. this is a trolling.. I'm heading home.. |
| 18:05.34 | DonAlex | Later peeps.. |
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| 18:06.16 | Loldumbfreenod-e | So how do you call avi to mpg conversion? It is done to entire file while pendrivelinux just strips out iso bootloader... Moreover, if it converts, it should work with freesbie image... |
| 18:06.37 | Loldumbfreenod-e | Any way to install lilo to usb? |
| 18:06.47 | justin_ | Loldumbfreenod-e: what the hell are you trying to do in the first place? |
| 18:07.44 | Loldumbfreenod-e | Want to get a freesbie liveusb... |
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| 18:08.03 | Loldumbfreenod-e | I can load kernel image but i want a loader first |
| 18:08.09 | justin_ | freesbie ? |
| 18:08.16 | Loldumbfreenod-e | Then i'll extract and load the kernel |
| 18:08.26 | Loldumbfreenod-e | Free system burned in economy |
| 18:08.35 | justin_ | what the hell does that have to do with debian? |
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| 18:09.57 | Loldumbfreenod-e | Nothing but i want help... It's not debian... But i just want a way to contest iso to img... So it applies to all os including debian |
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| 18:10.20 | justin_ | Loldumbfreenod-e: grub can boot .iso images, try that |
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| 18:10.34 | dkr | <B0o-supermario> Linux sucks |
| 18:10.37 | Loldumbfreenod-e | But i want lilo |
| 18:10.42 | dkr | this guy is indeed a troll |
| 18:10.48 | Loldumbfreenod-e | No |
| 18:11.13 | Loldumbfreenod-e | Debian is not only linux |
| 18:11.22 | Loldumbfreenod-e | Kfreebsd works still |
| 18:11.34 | justin_ | true, but you are using neither |
| 18:11.54 | Loldumbfreenod-e | I'm using bsd for great deal |
| 18:12.30 | Loldumbfreenod-e | Seperate channel for kfreebsd? |
| 18:12.38 | justin_ | are you using debian/kfreebsd? |
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| 18:13.02 | Loldumbfreenod-e | Cut "debian/k" |
| 18:13.34 | Loldumbfreenod-e | Seems like there's no way to convert, it there? |
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| 18:15.54 | Loldumbfreenod-e | Bye |
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| 18:18.21 | orudie | well, i just started phpmyadmin and i get message Server running with Suhosin. Please refer to documentation for possible issues. |
| 18:18.24 | pipeline | what a strange troll |
| 18:18.29 | orudie | I don't even know what suhosin is |
| 18:18.31 | orudie | can I just remove it ? |
| 18:19.04 | lilith | how close is Kfreebsd to it's debian linux companion in terms of laptop specific usability? |
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| 18:20.20 | lilith | I get the feeling that kfreeebsd is only concerned in establishing itself as a viable server at the moment |
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| 18:21.10 | Zitter | apt-get install python-pymongo doens't install mongodb related stuff (i don't have them), why? |
| 18:21.11 | justin_ | lilith: how many people run freebsd as a laptop OS in the first place? |
| 18:21.17 | beate | Hi there! After having done a dist-upgrade from squeeze to testing no sound works anymore at all. Can someone please point me in the right direction for solving that problem as I'm quite new to debian |
| 18:21.23 | justin_ | Zitter: what is "mongodb related stuff" ? |
| 18:21.29 | lilith | that's besides the point |
| 18:21.41 | Zitter | justin_, mongodb for example :D |
| 18:21.47 | dondelelcaro | lilith: if no one is running it as a laptop or desktop, it doesn't get tested, bugs don't get filed, etc. |
| 18:21.51 | justin_ | Zitter: does installing wget install apache? |
| 18:22.03 | Zitter | lol |
| 18:22.05 | dondelelcaro | lilith: so if that's something you want to see, use it, file bugs, and patches. |
| 18:22.21 | lilith | I could just as well ask, how many people run kfreebsd as a server? and the answer would be the same, probably zilch to both questions |
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| 18:22.29 | justin_ | Zitter: python-mongo may suggest mongodb, but a client package will never depend on the server |
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| 18:22.50 | Zitter | justin_, yes you're right. thanks for explanation :) |
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| 18:27.25 | beate | Can anyone please help me out on that sound-problem? |
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| 18:28.38 | beate | reboot - i'll be back in 5min |
| 18:28.56 | babilen | beate: You should have realised by now that upgrading to testing/wheezy was not really a good idea. That said: I assume that you encountered symptoms of #620995 but am not sure. Check your udev version and the presence of /run on your system. /msg dpkg udev 620995 |
| 18:29.05 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 18:31.30 | Pinchiukas | Can I search somehow for packages that "provide mailx"? |
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| 18:31.59 | h3sp4wn | lilith: Quite possibly more people than you think |
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| 18:34.17 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Pinchiukas about apt-file |
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| 18:37.22 | lilith | h3sp4wn: sure but how many more than I think. Probably not much more. My comment is meant to draw out f trend not detail specificity |
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| 18:38.28 | lilith | and really all these comments aren't helpful since all I asked is if kfreebsd is ready for the laptop. I don't want to install it just to find out that I can't even get wireless roking on it |
| 18:38.48 | lilith | I'm not worried about throttling since my battery is run down |
| 18:39.03 | lilith | accel would be another deal breaker |
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| 18:39.25 | beate | Did I say something wrong (since nobody seems to be wanting to help me out)? |
| 18:39.59 | jelly-home | beate: no, it's just noone active has anything to comment |
| 18:40.01 | lilith | that's why I asked, and not to be brown out into a server or report the bugs debate/conversation |
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| 18:40.17 | beate | jelly-home: oh, alright - thank you! |
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| 18:41.02 | jelly-home | beate: users of testing and unstable are meant to be able to work around their issues; this channel is primarily about stable |
| 18:44.12 | orudie | whats a good way to install postfix/dovecot ? |
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| 18:44.40 | jelly-home | orudie: visit workaround.org if you're looking for a *shudder* tutorial |
| 18:44.47 | dondelelcaro | orudie: aptitude install postifx dovecot-{imapd,pop3d}; |
| 18:45.01 | daedaluz | couldn't install Debian on T60 from Gnome live USB, it hanged on first line of bootloader. any idea what's the problem? |
| 18:45.07 | daedaluz | Ubuntu installed just fine |
| 18:45.11 | dawud | hi. got a weird problem with 'agentAddress udp:161' in snmpd.conf, I should be able to snmpwalk calling localhost *and* hostname. It's not working. any hints? |
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| 18:46.00 | justin_ | dawud: it's binding to localhost? |
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| 18:46.37 | dawud | justin: agentAddress udp:161 binds to all interfaces (ipv4, udp port 161) |
| 18:46.55 | jhutchins | daedaluz: Unsupported hardware, probably the I/O controller. |
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| 18:47.32 | jelly-home | Thinkpad T60 is quite old, I'd expect that hardware to work |
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| 18:47.59 | Pinchiukas | jelly-home: and how should I use it? |
| 18:48.14 | daedaluz | yes, it should work, and it doesn't need any ndiswrapper bullshit either |
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| 18:48.55 | daedaluz | this is 3rd computer in row I've failed to install Debian on. am I cursed? ;) |
| 18:50.28 | ck01 | hello, is there a way to automate "apt-get upgrade". i mean to disable the question if already existing configuration files should be overwritten. |
| 18:50.46 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: dpkg should have told you how to initialize it. after that, do something like apt-file search bin/mailx |
| 18:50.49 | abrotman | ck01: cron-apt |
| 18:51.12 | Pinchiukas | jelly-home: I don't want the mailx package, I want to find out what "provides mailx". |
| 18:51.27 | ck01 | thx abrotman, i will try that |
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| 18:51.51 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: and apt-file will list any packages that contain a file path named like that |
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| 18:52.22 | Oday | whenever i try to "sudo", i get that my user isn't in the sudoers file |
| 18:52.29 | Oday | group, not file |
| 18:52.32 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: are you looking for a package that literally says "Provides: mailx" in their control file? |
| 18:52.32 | Oday | how do i fix this? |
| 18:52.40 | Pinchiukas | jelly-home: yes. |
| 18:53.13 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: aptitude search '?provides(mailx)' |
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| 18:53.59 | Pinchiukas | Thanks. Wonder how I managed to not find that out in the aptitude man page. |
| 18:53.59 | apt | pas de quoi, Pinchiukas |
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| 18:54.22 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: aptitude search has a host of options, you'll want to read the full reference manual (aptitude-doc package I think) |
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| 18:54.45 | Pinchiukas | I've read that some time ago but I obviously forgot stuff. :) |
| 18:54.56 | jelly-home | I never remember it, it's too complex |
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| 18:57.48 | jhutchins | Oday: You add your username to the sudo group and log out and log back in. |
| 18:57.55 | jhutchins | Oday: Or you use su - |
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| 18:58.29 | Oday | "adduser oday sudo"? |
| 18:59.09 | jhutchins | Oday: No. |
| 18:59.13 | Oday | too late :) |
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| 18:59.16 | Oday | haha |
| 18:59.19 | Oday | how do i undo that add? |
| 18:59.25 | Oday | "deluser oday sudo"? |
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| 19:00.15 | joe6 | is there a debian installer that does not require a cd image? such as the debian-installer.exe at goodbye-microsoft.com but for ubuntu? |
| 19:00.31 | jelly-home | Oday: yeah |
| 19:00.40 | jelly-home | at least, the manual says so |
| 19:00.43 | Oday | ok and how do i add my user to the sudo group? |
| 19:01.01 | jelly-home | Oday: well, adduser username sudo |
| 19:01.15 | Oday | that was what i did, and that didn't work |
| 19:01.19 | jelly-home | sure it did |
| 19:01.22 | Oday | and jhutchins said it wasn't the right way |
| 19:01.25 | jelly-home | "and log out and log back in." |
| 19:01.30 | jhutchins | !tell joe6 about ig |
| 19:01.38 | Oday | but jhutchins said it was wrong |
| 19:01.50 | jhutchins | jelly-home: That works? |
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| 19:02.05 | joe6 | jhutchins, what is ig? |
| 19:02.12 | jhutchins | Oday: Some of my knowledge is kinda old. |
| 19:02.17 | jelly-home | jhutchins: it does what it says on the box (gives a user an additional group) |
| 19:02.22 | Oday | and i trusted you! |
| 19:02.26 | Oday | jk |
| 19:02.37 | jhutchins | joe6: You should have a private message from dpkg pointing you to a guide that lists and describes all the installation methods. |
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| 19:03.04 | jhutchins | jelly-home: I used to have to use usermod for that. |
| 19:03.24 | joe6 | jhutchins, thanks |
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| 19:04.05 | peta | hello guys |
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| 19:05.35 | jelly-home | jhutchins: I first saw that in a postinst script so I figure it's going to work on any debian |
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| 19:12.58 | mentor | Does anyone else see gvfsd-metadata segfaulting all the time? |
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| 19:19.12 | project2501a | hey guys, i got a 4 monitor setup, in debian GNU/Linux 6.0 . I would like to have the two middle screens in portrait mode, and the two on the side in landscape. so, far, i managed to setup the orientation manually. but now i can only scroll the mouse between the first and second monitor on the left. i cannot scroll on the 3rd and 4th monitor on the left. here is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/GhLx2X7N can I have a clue or two, please? |
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| 19:20.57 | orudie | i'm installing vtigercrm and the installation page is saying that my value in php.ini is max_execution_time 30 (not recommended), its suppose to be 600. I change it to 600, restarted apache and still says 30 |
| 19:21.19 | orudie | i tried changing this value in both /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini and /etc/php5/cli/php.ini |
| 19:21.38 | orudie | so where else could it be looking at ? |
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| 19:25.40 | orudie | phpinfo file shows /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini , and the info page says max_execution_time 30, but in the actual file its 600. What could I have done wrong ? |
| 19:26.11 | Jarvis | orudie: it may be overriden inside a htaccess file |
| 19:26.22 | Jarvis | so check your .htaccess files (in your web directory) |
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| 19:28.57 | orudie | Jarvis, i checked .htaccss doesn't exist |
| 19:30.22 | Jarvis | orudie: create a php file with <?php phpinfo(); ?> inside it |
| 19:30.28 | Jarvis | put it in your web dir and load it |
| 19:30.36 | orudie | Jarvis, thats what I did |
| 19:30.45 | Jarvis | what does it give you for execution time |
| 19:30.53 | Jarvis | (both local and global |
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| 19:31.59 | orudie | Jarvis, http://crm.jpihealthcare.com/vtigercrm/phpinfo.php |
| 19:32.45 | Jarvis | orudie: after you changed it, did you reload apache |
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| 19:32.53 | Jarvis | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.01 | runa | heyas. where can I find a kernel-image for debian etch? :) |
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| 19:34.13 | Jarvis | dpkg tell runa about etch |
| 19:34.41 | runa | dpkg: tellme, plz |
| 19:34.49 | Jarvis | runa: check your pm |
| 19:35.31 | runa | Jarvis: "no I'wont" |
| 19:35.44 | Jarvis | er, before that? |
| 19:36.04 | runa | ] No, runa, I won't. (target invalid?) |
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| 19:36.46 | treebeen | !archive |
| 19:36.47 | dpkg | i heard archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 19:37.03 | runa | tnx |
| 19:37.06 | Jarvis | np |
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| 19:41.53 | DonAlex | Ello again.. |
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| 19:42.47 | DonAlex | So Still no further with my invalid Release issue.. even and strace is not really elucidating me very much.. what do any of you guys see? http://paste.debian.net/114170/ |
| 19:43.36 | Craigwd_2000 | I just tried running sudo aptitude install kde-full last night...: it took two runs to install it all due to a .deb checksum mis-match error caused by one of the .debs on my AMD64 Debian Wheezy 4/04/11 Snapshot DVD 1... I selected kdm when prompted by the Debian cli Wizard thingy... I rebooted my PC laptop & the Kernel Panics no longer plague my PC in general when booting the AMD64 Kernel v. 2.6.38-2...; but kdm faile |
| 19:43.36 | Craigwd_2000 | launch at bootup like it was supposed to & LXDE loaded again...; this time with all of KDE 4's apps in its menus too... |
| 19:44.09 | Jarvis | DonAlex: which release are you trying to get ? and which command are you using |
| 19:44.33 | DonAlex | Jarvis: cdebootstrap -a armel testing cn-w4-cctv ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian |
| 19:45.11 | DonAlex | Jarvis: Though IU have tried all mirror.. us uk fr etc |
| 19:45.28 | resixian | man, i want to update my server to 6.0 but i don't want to lose my uptime :( |
| 19:46.55 | cahoot | kernel 2.4.18? |
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| 19:47.30 | babilen | resixian: That is ridiculous (and you know it) |
| 19:47.40 | Jarvis | DonAlex: what version of debootstrap? |
| 19:47.47 | resixian | babilen: i do, but its 350 days now! |
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| 19:48.16 | resixian | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.17 | yassine | hi folks |
| 19:48.25 | DonAlex | Jarvis: Version: 1.0.20 |
| 19:48.31 | babilen | so what? I guess you missed a bunch of kernel security updates already |
| 19:48.45 | Jarvis | ,versions debootstrap |
| 19:48.46 | judd | Package debootstrap on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.10lenny1; lenny-backports: 1.0.25~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.0.26+squeeze1; sid: 1.0.29; wheezy: 1.0.29 |
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| 19:48.48 | yassine | how can one safely downgrade php version from the 5.3 to 5.2 under debian? |
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| 19:49.04 | resixian | babilen: well its just me file server |
| 19:49.05 | DonAlex | Jarvis: ok 1.0.29 now ;) |
| 19:49.08 | Jarvis | hmm |
| 19:49.31 | Jarvis | hmm |
| 19:49.31 | DonAlex | Jarvis: Let me try again one mo |
| 19:49.32 | Jarvis | oops |
| 19:49.35 | Jarvis | ok |
| 19:50.03 | DonAlex | Jarvis: Nope still fails |
| 19:51.25 | Jarvis | incidentally , what sub arch are we talking about here? uname -a |
| 19:51.48 | DonAlex | Jarvis: Host arch is amd64.. I am cross building |
| 19:51.54 | Jarvis | ah ok |
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| 19:52.23 | Jarvis | i assume you have the appropriate toolkit setup for cross building ? |
| 19:52.33 | DonAlex | Jarvis: Doesn't even get a chance to get to an arch though.. failing on verifying the release files.. |
| 19:53.04 | DonAlex | Jarvis: Well I did have.. have not done it an a while.. but I assumed it would have stayed the same.. pbuilder used to work ok.. |
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| 19:54.10 | DonAlex | Jarvis: Oddily enough is I pick lenny is does something different |
| 19:54.17 | Jarvis | DonAlex: try running debootstrap --arch=armel --verbose testing cn-w4-cctv ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian |
| 19:54.29 | ansgar | DonAlex: Do you have the current archive signing key available? |
| 19:54.47 | DonAlex | ansgar: Far as I know yes.. all the apt-keys were pulled in.. |
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| 19:56.57 | DonAlex | Jarvis: http://paste.debian.net/114171/ |
| 19:57.19 | Jarvis | heh |
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| 19:57.33 | Jarvis | oh |
| 19:58.36 | Jarvis | DonAlex: run again with --debug |
| 19:58.42 | ansgar | DonAlex: The one used for Squeeze seems to be missing: read(7, "[GNUPG:] NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F47304"..., 4096) = 36 |
| 19:59.13 | DonAlex | Jarvis: Yeah.. but when I gpg --recv-keys for that key it does not think it is a valid keyid |
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| 19:59.59 | ansgar | DonAlex: It's not the full key id. Is debian-archive-keyring installed? |
| 20:00.12 | DonAlex | Jarvis: http://paste.debian.net/114175/ |
| 20:00.17 | DonAlex | ansgar: Yes.. |
| 20:00.54 | DonAlex | ansgar: Howeve it can be upgraded ;) |
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| 20:01.04 | DonAlex | ansgar: lemme check again |
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| 20:01.55 | tweek_ | Craigwd_2000: lxde got launched instead of kde, is that what you say? |
| 20:03.56 | Jarvis | odd , my only suggestion atm is to try multistrap instead :s |
| 20:04.16 | tweek_ | i have a question about kernel modules: |
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| 20:04.36 | tweek_ | apart from dependencies, how is decided which modules are loaded automatically? |
| 20:04.43 | joe6 | can i use cdrecord to record a debian netinstall cd to a blank CD-RW disk? |
| 20:05.03 | joe6 | i downloaded the netinstall cd image from the debian website. |
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| 20:05.06 | tweek_ | /etc/modules is empty except for 1 entry, so i guess that can't be it |
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| 20:05.21 | abrotman | joe6: yes .. or wodim .. but yes |
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| 20:05.31 | abrotman | !burniso |
| 20:05.31 | dpkg | methinks burniso is wodim -dev /dev/cdrom -v -v -data foo.iso, or ask me about <check iso image> |
| 20:05.42 | abrotman | that's a rough example |
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| 20:06.16 | Jarvis | tweek_: modprobe.d modconf etc |
| 20:06.28 | joe6 | thanks, will check out wodim |
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| 20:08.28 | tweek_ | Jarvis: there's almost nothing there, is that normal? |
| 20:08.33 | project2501a | kicks Psyco-runner |
| 20:08.41 | project2501a | mwrh karakaltakaaaaaa |
| 20:08.47 | project2501a | hey guys, i got a 4 monitor setup, in debian GNU/Linux 6.0 . I would like to have the two middle screens in portrait mode, and the two on the side in landscape. so, far, i managed to setup the orientation manually. but now i can only scroll the mouse between the first and second monitor on the left. i cannot scroll on the 3rd and 4th monitor on the left. here is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/GhLx2X7N can I have a clue or two, please? |
| 20:09.17 | Jarvis | tweek_: modprobe.d won't contain many files, primarily aliases for modules, and blacklists |
| 20:09.29 | Jarvis | what were you looking to do ? |
| 20:10.13 | Psyco-runner | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABamM7vhC98 |
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| 20:10.56 | justin_ | project2501a: did it maybe get confused and put them on top of each other? |
| 20:11.02 | EugeneKay | Quicky. What location do I need to pick to get UTC(not GMT+0, I want real, live UTC) as a time zone option n the graphical installation? |
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| 20:11.15 | project2501a | justin_: nah, i tried that |
| 20:11.20 | tweek_ | Jarvis: um, to be specific, after upgrading the kernel to 2.6.38, the module 'acer-wmi' is no longer loaded (was so before, automatically), and i was wondering where the right place is to put it |
| 20:11.52 | project2501a | justin_: xorg.conf uses absolute positioning, so what you described is not a possibility |
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| 20:12.41 | Jarvis | tweek_: just add it to /etc/modules |
| 20:12.45 | Jarvis | it should load it at boot |
| 20:13.11 | tweek_ | Jarvis: i know i can just put it in /etc/modules or write modprobe to a init script, but i don't think this is the way to go, because it worked before without an entry there |
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| 20:13.36 | Jarvis | are you sure its required? |
| 20:13.45 | SparFux | HI all. Are there standard tools to search directories for duplicate filenames / identical files or do I have to do scripting magic? |
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| 20:14.29 | project2501a | spacepup: what do you mean, "identical files" ? |
| 20:14.41 | tweek_ | Jarvis: required? i'm not sure how that is determined. it provides an interface to vendor-specific hardware functions of my laptop and it worked 'out of the box' before, so i thought i'd make a bug report about it |
| 20:15.05 | yassine | i get this error message while trying to install an earlier version of php libapache2-mod-php5 : Depends: libkrb53 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2) but it is not going to be installed anyone of you have an idea what could be wrong in here? |
| 20:15.21 | Jarvis | tweek_: i assume it works okay if you load it manually ? |
| 20:15.22 | h3sp4wn | project2501a: What about just trying to do it from dynamic twinview (or ask nvidia the card is costly enough for them to sort it / tell you) |
| 20:15.26 | gnarface | hello people. anyone know how to make cheesy software scanlines or "screen door" pixel effects (similar to the way say, zsnes or dosbox does to simulate old school TV's on scaled-up content?) |
| 20:15.53 | tweek_ | Jarvis: yes, it works fine |
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| 20:16.08 | gnarface | sorry people that was meant for #mplayer, ignore me |
| 20:16.12 | joe6 | i did this: wodim -v -dao speed=4 dev=/dev/scd0 debian-6.0.1a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 20:16.18 | joe6 | do i have to do anything more? |
| 20:16.23 | joe6 | to finalise? |
| 20:16.25 | Jarvis | tweek_: out of interest which laptop is it ? |
| 20:16.27 | joe6 | or stuff like that? |
| 20:16.33 | Jarvis | its not the aspire one is it? |
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| 20:17.01 | SparFux | project2501a: I mean files with identical contents and in this case, identical filenames. But the identical content is the important thing. I'd like to erase the duplicates. |
| 20:17.07 | tweek_ | Jarvis: acer aspire 5610 maybe i'm a bit too ocd here, but i feel like making a workaround for a bug, so i wanted to find the 'problem', whatever that is |
| 20:17.49 | gnarface | SparFux: what you want is called rsync (read the man page at least twice and do some tests on backup data before you hit your real stuff with it) |
| 20:18.24 | MeglaW | hi, i wanna dualboot debian with xp, i dont have any usb or dvds to burn, i do have an old etch dvd, or i can use goodbye-windows.com from inside xp |
| 20:18.36 | MeglaW | or, do you know a better way |
| 20:18.41 | MeglaW | i dont wanna hassle with pxe |
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| 20:19.13 | SparFux | gnarface: ok, I will read the page. But I don't think it's what I want. If files have the same name, but not identical content, then I would want it to leave it be. |
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| 20:20.40 | tweek_ | gnarface: i was just going to ask the same, i don't think rsync can be used for removing duplicates, but i might be wrong |
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| 20:20.49 | gnarface | SparFux: rsync can handle duplicates by timestamp, name, OR binary difference. it can handle missing stuff that wasn't in the original as well, and it can work through ssh across two different hosts as well. its really quite versatile, just read the syntax notation thoroughly and you'll see all the options. |
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| 20:21.53 | orudie | Jarvis, yes of course I reloaded. The funny thing is that some values that I changed in php.ini changed, but sub didn't |
| 20:21.54 | gnarface | tweek_: admittedly you might need some minor scripting tricks, but ultimately that's what rsync DOES is detect duplicates |
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| 20:24.25 | tweek_ | SparFux: just googled, maybe 'fdupes' might be for you |
| 20:24.55 | justin_ | fdupes is pretty inefficient , there are much better tools |
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| 20:25.32 | project2501a | justin_: such as? |
| 20:25.58 | justin_ | I wrote one in python called dupes.py, there are others... |
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| 20:26.19 | justin_ | fdupes fully reads any 2 files with the same size.. so if you have a bunch of 1G files that are completely different, it will read every single byte |
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| 20:27.35 | gnarface | SparFux: will the duplicates *always* have the same names? |
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| 20:29.17 | Mr_Brown | Hi, I have two server on debian squeeze and hearbeat working more or less fine, my problen is in the sclave dot wake up the virtual ip when the master dead look the losg's please http://pastebin.com/akQFjzfs |
| 20:29.36 | SparFux | gnarface: In my case yes. :-) /me checking fdupes. thx tweek! |
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| 20:30.25 | foetus | ++ |
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| 20:30.57 | tweek_ | Jarvis: why did you ask about the model? |
| 20:31.02 | justin_ | SparFux: are you then just trying to find files with duplicate names? |
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| 20:32.20 | gnarface | justin_: i believe he said he only wants to erase duplicates that have identical names AND content |
| 20:32.58 | Jarvis | tweek_: theres a warning in the kernel docs that say that acer-wmi is blacklisted from loading on The Aspire One, due to a buggy WMI implementation |
| 20:33.30 | justin_ | gnarface: oh, that would be tricky with fdupes, but easy with my program since it's really just a python library |
| 20:34.00 | Jarvis | incidentally tweek_ whats the contents of /proc/cmdline atm |
| 20:34.07 | gnarface | justin_: personally i'd probably try to write a for loop in bash to rsync stuff into another directory one file at a time or something like that... but i like doing things the hard way |
| 20:34.29 | justin_ | gnarface: rsync really won't help you with that kind of thing |
| 20:34.43 | SparFux | justin_: no, only files with identical contents. |
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| 20:35.03 | tweek_ | Jarvis: just checked, it's not blacklisted. also: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-2.6.38-2-686 root=/dev/mapper/aspire-lv1 ro quiet |
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| 20:35.08 | gnarface | justin_: sure it will if you collapse subdirectory paths. that's what rsync DOES is compare files (optionally by content instead of datestamp) |
| 20:35.26 | Jarvis | tweek_: sid? |
| 20:35.32 | SparFux | I have multiple directories of files I downloaded from my digital camera and they contain files with identical contents (i.e. pictures downloaded twice) and those files have identical names, too. |
| 20:35.34 | tweek_ | Jarvis: testing |
| 20:35.42 | Mr_Brown | Come friends, could you see the http://pastebin.com/akQFjzfs please, thanks |
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| 20:36.31 | joe6 | i have an ibm thinkpad t20 laptop with debian on it. Just curious, if anyone updated the bios on the laptop? |
| 20:36.38 | joe6 | using debian. |
| 20:36.56 | joe6 | is it possible to do that without a floppy disk or external cd image? |
| 20:37.01 | Jarvis | ah they migrated .38 to testing, i havent been about for a week or so |
| 20:37.10 | MeglaW | hi, i wanna dualboot debian with xp, i dont have any usb or dvds to burn, i do have an old etch dvd, or i can use goodbye-windows.com from inside xp or, do you know a better way |
| 20:37.27 | tweek_ | Jarvis: would you say that it is a bug, that acer-wmi is no longer loaded on an acer laptop? cause then i'd make a bug report |
| 20:38.06 | SparFux | 232 duplicate files (in 202 sets), occupying 1053.0 megabytes :-) |
| 20:38.08 | gnarface | joe6: thats a pretty old laptop huh?. it doesn't boot via usb perchance, does it? |
| 20:38.23 | bzrk | MeglaW: id suggest you go and buy some cds to burn, alternatively install etch and distupgrade to whatever you feel suits you |
| 20:38.25 | joe6 | gnarface, no, I do not think so. |
| 20:38.43 | gnarface | MeglaW: got a usb key of 1gb size or greater and does the computer boot via usb? |
| 20:38.59 | gnarface | joe6: so you have no floppy drive or cd drive for this thing? |
| 20:39.05 | MeglaW | bzrk: its late at night so yeah i think i will go with that, just sutch a waste of time |
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| 20:39.21 | Jarvis | i would say make a bug for it, it shouldnt stop loading just because of a kernel change .. i'd raise a bug --- against udev (i think?) |
| 20:39.26 | Jarvis | not sure where else to target it |
| 20:39.29 | MeglaW | gnarface: nope, only mp3players and iv tryed booting from them on like 5 computers and doesent work |
| 20:39.34 | justin_ | SparFux: try: find -type f -printf "%f\n"|sort |uniq -d |
| 20:39.40 | MeglaW | and it does not have a floppy |
| 20:39.47 | MeglaW | i do have those 3 floppys |
| 20:39.48 | MeglaW | ;) |
| 20:39.49 | justin_ | SparFux: that will print out duplicate filenames |
| 20:39.53 | MeglaW | boot, root, netdrivers |
| 20:39.55 | MeglaW | ;) |
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| 20:40.10 | justin_ | SparFux: also, most image management software has that feature built in |
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| 20:40.22 | MeglaW | i´ll do the etch thing then |
| 20:40.23 | tweek_ | Jarvis: dpkg -S acer-wmi.ko says the kernel itself... anyway, thanks! |
| 20:40.23 | gnarface | MeglaW: you got 5 computers? you have the option of pulling the harddrive out of the one you want set up to dual boot and plugging it into another machine to do a setup through chroot |
| 20:40.31 | joe6 | gnarface, i have a cd drive. just curious if there was a less messier option. |
| 20:40.39 | SparFux | justin_: I see. I don't trust the image management software, I have to admit. :-P |
| 20:40.42 | MeglaW | gnarface: iv had the mp3players i have for 5 years |
| 20:40.53 | Jarvis | yea, but thats the kernel thats the issue, its the loading of it, which iirc is controlled via udev |
| 20:40.54 | MeglaW | iv only tryed booting it on 5 computers |
| 20:41.03 | gnarface | joe6: the cd is the least messy option unless you're using a very recent asus board |
| 20:41.10 | MeglaW | or 7 |
| 20:41.12 | MeglaW | i donno |
| 20:41.30 | MeglaW | it runs linux 2.4 and has a 192MHz dualcore ;) |
| 20:41.38 | Jarvis | *the kernel itsn't the issue |
| 20:41.40 | Jarvis | even |
| 20:42.04 | Jarvis | anyways/ off for munchies |
| 20:42.09 | Jarvis | t'ra :) |
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| 20:42.38 | Jarvis | lol |
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| 20:42.50 | MeglaW | gnarface: i dont have any 2.5¨ sata drives... this is a laptop im doing this stuff on |
| 20:43.00 | ompaul | up23four: paste.debian.net might be better |
| 20:43.07 | MeglaW | gonna sell it with 7, xp and debian with xf4 + xmonad |
| 20:43.18 | SparFux | justin_: fdupes seems to be a very specialized program, and I have the most trust in such software not to accidentally delete stuff (bug) |
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| 20:43.28 | NightMiles | ompaul: He is advertising a fileserver... doesn't belong in the channel at all |
| 20:43.36 | ompaul | doh |
| 20:43.44 | ompaul | !ops see up23four |
| 20:43.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: ompaul complains about: see up23four |
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| 20:44.03 | gnarface | MeglaW: i do a lot of linux system administration on used/sketchy/old hardware and i've found having someting like this on hand to be invaluable: http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/usb-gadgets/dd1a/ (FYI) |
| 20:44.31 | ompaul | NightMiles: maybe I should be removed for not looking ;-) |
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| 20:45.31 | gnarface | MeglaW: what i'm suggesting is that you'd plug the laptop harddrive into an already booting debian system, do manual partition changes with parted, then do a chroot install of debian, then use grub to set up the boot loader (being careful not to hose the host system's boot loader) and then put the drive back into the laptop. if you can manage the physical connections for that, that is... |
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| 20:46.04 | MeglaW | gnarface: yeah! i know, i have used a easyide http://www.itechtips.com/uploads/easyide.jpg for years, just havent gotten around to getting a sata version. :) |
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| 20:46.40 | gnarface | MeglaW: the one i linked you does both sizes of IDE as well as sata. its really slick actually |
| 20:46.43 | MeglaW | i bet dx.com has one cheap i can get |
| 20:46.48 | orudie | guys, i'm running php 5.3.x in debian 6. I pointed browser to phpinfo() file. It shows /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini . However, some values that I change in the file, do not reflect in phpinfo(). Have any idea why ? |
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| 20:47.04 | orudie | and yes I reloaded apache2 and cleared browser's chache |
| 20:47.07 | orudie | cache* |
| 20:47.08 | gnarface | MeglaW: the one i've linked you even works for optical media burners - which actually kinda blew my mind |
| 20:47.09 | MeglaW | gnarface: ;) yeah those are way better then external closures |
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| 20:47.29 | MeglaW | gnarface: so does the one i linked you. :) |
| 20:47.35 | gnarface | neat stuff |
| 20:47.46 | MeglaW | saved me many a time when i needed to backup crashed system or boot something unbootable |
| 20:48.00 | MeglaW | or just as extra storage |
| 20:48.10 | MeglaW | but we are drifting ot |
| 20:48.14 | MeglaW | ;) |
| 20:48.20 | gnarface | MeglaW: unfortunately without any bootable media in the actual machine in question that's the best idea i've got for you, although i've heard you can put a debian install image on a local partition and install from it.... that one i've never tried |
| 20:48.59 | MeglaW | well that goodbye-windows.com thing workd pretty well for a wile but not so mutch anymore |
| 20:49.43 | gnarface | MeglaW: seems to me like the hard part is going to be resizing your existing windows partition to make space for the linux one. you might want to try getting a debian livecd (*cough* or knoppix *cough*) and booting from that to do your initial partition/boot loader manipulation |
| 20:50.18 | MeglaW | naa man |
| 20:50.28 | MeglaW | i got a hirens bootcd right here |
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| 20:50.39 | MeglaW | trusty partition magic for normal drives |
| 20:50.44 | MeglaW | acronis for raid drives |
| 20:50.47 | gnarface | aah |
| 20:50.53 | gnarface | well i wish you luck. that's never the most fun approach |
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| 20:52.19 | orudie | why is it doing that ? anyone ? |
| 20:52.31 | tweek_ | wtf |
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| 20:53.22 | MeglaW | gnarface: used to work in pc shops and stuff, used to do that all the time |
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| 20:57.52 | gnarface | orudie: maybe you're for some reason using the cgi php implelentation? in debian mod_php, php cgi, and php cli all have separate php.ini files (you will see them all in /etc/php5 subdirectories) |
| 20:59.32 | tweek_ | i was about to make a bug report with reportbug, when allofasudden: http://paste.debian.net/plain/114186 |
| 21:00.12 | tweek_ | i noticed because it was automatically appended to the bugreport, is that something to worry about? |
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| 21:02.14 | orudie | gnarface, i tried changing in both /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini and /etc/php5/cli/php.ini still nothing. |
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| 21:09.48 | gnarface | orudie: when you said you restarted apache... have you tried running /etc/init.d/apache2 stop && /etc/init.d/apache2 start? apache2 "restart" or "graceful-restart" or "reload" or such things are notorious for not actually re-reading config files (sometimes sporadically) |
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| 21:11.57 | orudie | gnarface, i tried manually /etc/init.d/apache2 stop then /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
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| 21:12.47 | Mr_Brown | Hi, I have two server on debian squeeze and hearbeat working more or less fine, my problen is in the sclave dot wake up the virtual ip when the master dead look the losg's please http://pastebin.com/akQFjzfs |
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| 21:13.32 | gnarface | orudie: due to widespread criminal levels of incompetence, many 3rd party php frameworks have their own internal configurations that override the system level php.ini settings at page load time (for EVERY request) you probably are using one of these frameworks and now have no choice but to seek out and destroy this behavior |
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| 21:18.32 | drw | hello everybody |
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| 21:19.13 | drw | some days ago I updated my apache2 with php5 since this |
| 21:19.33 | drw | some browsers can't open my webpages |
| 21:19.50 | gnarface | drw: fuck 'em |
| 21:20.05 | drw | somebody know what happend ? |
| 21:20.15 | gnarface | not with just the information you've given |
| 21:20.33 | drw | I have lenny distribution |
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| 21:21.19 | ompaul | drw: which browsers what pages and why didn't you test before you upgraded, and see previous comments about crazy behaviour of applications you stick into your php |
| 21:21.20 | drw | some browser try download the php files |
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| 21:21.45 | Azrael_- | i use munin on squeeze. it is a xen-vm, thus the devices are named "xvda1" and "xvda2". i get this error: [WARNING] 1 lines had errors while 5 lines were correct in data from 'config iostat' |
| 21:21.53 | Azrael_- | and i get no data. how can i solve this? |
| 21:22.00 | gnarface | ok 1) lenny is deprecated 2) what ELSE did you change (this issue is probably something to do with the web software itself, not php or apache directly 3) *which* browsers see it, *which* don't, and have you made sure said browsers have the same failure behavior at OTHER NETWORK LOCATIONS? based on what you've told us this could be nothing to do with your system at all directly, it could be a freaking DNS issue at the client for |
| 21:22.00 | gnarface | all we know |
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| 21:22.23 | drw | well before update everything was work |
| 21:22.51 | drw | but now from my browser I can see my webmail |
| 21:23.07 | drw | but from others I can't |
| 21:23.39 | Bushmills | Azrael_-: you want to start by finding out what those device are, and what munin plugin causes the warnings |
| 21:24.27 | Azrael_- | the problem is, if i start the plugin iostat manually the value %devs isn't filled. |
| 21:24.32 | drw | somebody can tell me any solution for this ? |
| 21:24.52 | Bushmills | Azrael_-: ah, that means you know what plugin cause the problem? |
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| 21:25.33 | Azrael_- | yes, it is the plugin "iostat" |
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| 21:25.52 | Bushmills | iostat (the command) shows devices? |
| 21:25.54 | Azrael_- | just like the warning-message tells me 'config iostat' |
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| 21:26.05 | Azrael_- | no, that's the problem and i dunno how to solve it |
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| 21:27.42 | Bushmills | assuming that the munin plugin "iostat" invokes command "iostat" for collecting data, you need to get command iostat to produce anything, of course |
| 21:28.13 | Bushmills | if command iostat produces no device information, no wonder that %devs is empty |
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| 21:28.47 | Azrael_- | the plugin "iostat config" provides the configuration for rddtool and in this action no configuration is shown as no devices are found |
| 21:29.07 | MeglaW | resize done and xp loading with no problem. gonna install etch now. really should update my collection of os-install discs and driver cd-s |
| 21:29.13 | ompaul | Azrael_-: you do have iostat installed? |
| 21:29.14 | Bushmills | (23:25:52) Bushmills: iostat (the command) shows devices? -> (23:26:05) Azrael_-: no, that's the problem and i dunno how to solve it |
| 21:29.29 | Bushmills | so ignore munin plugin iostat, and focus on command iostat |
| 21:30.04 | ompaul | Azrael_-: yhave you installed sysstat? which contains iostat? |
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| 21:30.20 | ompaul | pours one for Bushmills while we wait ;-) |
| 21:30.21 | Azrael_- | ompaul: i hadn't installed it, did now, didn't change anything |
| 21:30.28 | ompaul | restart |
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| 21:30.32 | ompaul | your munin |
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| 21:30.45 | Azrael_- | i start the plugin manually to see the config |
| 21:30.54 | Bushmills | ompaul: http://photo.forthfreak.net/drink/bushmills.jpg |
| 21:31.02 | Azrael_- | if i always wait for munin i have to wait for each 5 minute refresh |
| 21:31.07 | ompaul | Bushmills: as expected ;- |
| 21:31.08 | ompaul | ) |
| 21:31.11 | topgun21 | what package do i install to get epiphany webbrowser? |
| 21:31.38 | ompaul | topgun21: aptitude search eiphany and discover the joys of searching |
| 21:31.49 | ompaul | (in that case it is epiphany-browser) |
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| 21:32.00 | ompaul | topgun21: but there are other parts to it |
| 21:32.01 | Bushmills | doesn't understand why one needs to wait 5 minutes for executing a command from command line |
| 21:32.35 | ompaul | Bushmills: iostat not being installed someone does not understand they can restart the plugin but hey who are we |
| 21:33.06 | topgun21 | ompaul: Am i looking at installing gnome? |
| 21:33.11 | Azrael_- | restarted munin-node, no change |
| 21:33.15 | ompaul | topgun21: yeah |
| 21:33.19 | Bushmills | (23:29:28) Bushmills: so ignore munin plugin iostat, and focus on command iostat |
| 21:33.24 | ompaul | or a chunk of it |
| 21:33.29 | Azrael_- | iostat itself works |
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| 21:34.00 | Azrael_- | but i need the output in munin which is provided by the plugin and this plugin doesn't give any output |
| 21:34.07 | topgun21 | What pther browser are there in the debian base debian repositories |
| 21:34.10 | Bushmills | i assume the plugin greps for device names, and misses those produced by iostat |
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| 21:34.24 | Bushmills | change the filter for device names in the plugin |
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| 21:36.22 | Bushmills | actually, looking at plugin source, it appears that it doesn't call iostat command |
| 21:36.29 | Azrael_- | exactly |
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| 21:37.25 | foetus | bye |
| 21:37.50 | ompaul | Azrael_-: http://waste.mandragor.org/munin_tutorial/munin.html lots of interesting stuff not strictly debian but useful none the less, |
| 21:37.56 | Fare | kde is dead in the water since I moved to insserv |
| 21:38.15 | Fare | I can't get my personal script to run to workaround the failures of debian scripts. |
| 21:38.20 | Bushmills | if (/^\s+(\d+)\s+\d+\s*\d*\s+([[:alpha:][:digit:]\/]+)\s+(.*)/ ,,, seems the line, filtering device names |
| 21:38.23 | Fare | console-kit-daemon is not launched |
| 21:38.37 | Bushmills | i guess you need to adapt that one for the device names in your system |
| 21:38.38 | Fare | windows wait for something and remain blank until timeout |
| 21:38.41 | Fare | :-( |
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| 21:40.03 | Azrael_- | Bushmills: where did you find this one? |
| 21:40.10 | Bushmills | plugin source |
| 21:40.11 | ompaul | Fare: I have installed debian kde successfully on several machines since squeeze has arrived so I don't know what you are doing or not doing that I do and work with daily (at home now for several hours) |
| 21:40.53 | Bushmills | on line 169, with the version of it i got here |
| 21:40.59 | ompaul | Fare: insserv console-kit-daemon tailored by your or not? |
| 21:41.02 | Fare | how do I diagnose or fix? |
| 21:41.07 | Fare | reinstall from scratch? |
| 21:41.15 | Azrael_- | ok, missed this, gonna have a look into it |
| 21:41.59 | eshat | Gnome3 problem" I still get "GLib-GObject-CRITICAL" messages when starting _any_ GTK application out of gnome3, causing a segfault, any help will be very appreciated... |
| 21:42.13 | ompaul | Fare: well - doesn't work does indicate that the daemon is sitting on your couch smoking all your smokes drinking all your coffee and won't return the TV remote ;-) so the answer is how did you move to innserv ;-) |
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| 21:42.55 | Fare | I start the daemon manually and there it is, but whenever I change focus, windows stay blanks for many seconds (minutes?) |
| 21:43.01 | Fare | before they timeout on some daemon |
| 21:43.15 | Fare | I did move to insserv, it only made things work |
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| 21:43.22 | ompaul | Fare: which KDE? |
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| 21:43.27 | Fare | I tried to get a personal script running, but to no avail |
| 21:43.59 | Bushmills | whipping, bribing or threatening are commonly tried as remedy for "not working" |
| 21:44.10 | Fare | dunno. Whichever KDE4 came with testing/unstable |
| 21:44.29 | Azrael_- | Bushmills: just tried to debug it, seems like the function this filter is in, is never called :/ |
| 21:44.39 | ompaul | testing which ... wheezy? |
| 21:45.09 | craigevil | kde works just fine for me running sid, just switched back to it after lxde committed suicide |
| 21:45.14 | ompaul | Fare: custom stuff is not as important as getting your stable box working then upgrading it gently |
| 21:45.42 | Fare | I suppose my upgrade wasn't gentle enough |
| 21:45.46 | ompaul | Azrael_-: I'm running sid kde for the last couple of years |
| 21:45.58 | ompaul | some boxes no reinstall others lots ;-) |
| 21:46.11 | Fare | I tried to pull a few packages from unstable, which led me to pull more of them, until the system indeed is unstable :-/ |
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| 21:46.59 | Bushmills | Azrael_-: well, find out why. it is called, but check the initial conditions (/proc/diskstats or /proc/partitions) |
| 21:47.35 | Bushmills | if you think it takes too much time debugging the script, simply redo it |
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| 21:48.09 | Azrael_- | nm, just saw i tried to debug fetch_stat instead of fetch_detailed |
| 21:48.10 | Bushmills | t'is after all merely parsing device names and extracting a few numbers from the lines where they're found |
| 21:48.37 | ompaul | Fare: you can at your choice, dist-upgrade again, and this time take it all and reboot, if it still fails, reinstall and stay out of the garden marked testing / unstable until you are comfortable with what kde4.4.5 which is in sid -> testing -> squeeze it is a big departure from previous editions and rather nice ime |
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| 21:49.07 | ompaul | Fare: time to reinstall is less than time to debug these days (mostly ;-)) |
| 21:49.18 | Fare | I was comfy with kde |
| 21:49.22 | Fare | in an old testing |
| 21:49.49 | ompaul | Fare: the bigger the delta between your version of whatever you were mixing and stable |
| 21:49.59 | Fare | reinstall still is pain -- have to separate my own stuff from the system's stuff |
| 21:50.00 | ompaul | old testing .. as in testing for lenny? |
| 21:50.14 | ompaul | or testing for squeeze? |
| 21:50.15 | Fare | I'm considering installing nixos... |
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| 21:56.51 | Azrael_- | Bushmills: i had to add env.SHOW_NUMBERED 1 |
| 21:57.04 | Azrael_- | in the config for this plugin, now it works. funny |
| 21:57.39 | Azrael_- | thx for you help |
| 21:58.55 | Bushmills | those env.xxx you can set in /etc/munin/plugin-conf.d/munin-node file, without having to edit the plugin source |
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| 21:59.09 | Azrael_- | exactly |
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| 21:59.56 | ruben1194navarro | who has installed gnome3 in debian |
| 22:00.26 | Bushmills | the maintainer(s), may guess |
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| 22:00.29 | Bushmills | my |
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| 22:02.01 | babilen | ruben1194navarro: raphaël had a blog post about it reently ... check http://raphaelhertzog.com |
| 22:02.42 | ruben1194navarro | thanks |
| 22:03.37 | babilen | ruben1194navarro: I hope you see that as education and don't actually install gnome3 from experimental though. |
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| 22:04.46 | tweek_ | i just used reportbug, and it sent out the mail via exim4 |
| 22:04.49 | tweek_ | or so it says |
| 22:04.56 | tweek_ | how can i check if it worked? |
| 22:05.03 | warp0x00 | i freaking hate exim4 |
| 22:05.04 | neni | hi, in what package is the top command? and ps? |
| 22:05.18 | warp0x00 | procps or something |
| 22:05.19 | tweek_ | should it have been configured before |
| 22:05.54 | tweek_ | because i am still waiting for the confirmation mail |
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| 22:07.54 | Oday | how can i completely get rid of OOo? |
| 22:08.20 | Oday | i mean without having to follow packages/dependencies and remove them |
| 22:09.07 | Bushmills | Oday: purge, and use aptitude for automatic dependency removal |
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| 22:09.46 | ZykoticK9 | Oday, FYI if you have the 'gnome' package installed, removing OO will install Abiword |
| 22:10.12 | Oday | so when removing, i will get something installed? |
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| 22:10.20 | Oday | strange |
| 22:10.29 | Oday | it's afraid of leaving me officeless? |
| 22:10.40 | chomwitt | i have a buggu scrolling in iceweasel and konqueror in squeeze. |
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| 22:11.31 | ZykoticK9 | Oday, basically - i personally avoid that issue by NOT installing Gnome from installer, and then installing gnome-desktop-environment after install, much less sillyness |
| 22:12.14 | Bushmills | Oday: check suggested alternatives from aptitude - there's probably one which also removes what may depend on oo - for example, a browser plugin for oo documents, or such |
| 22:12.39 | Oday | beginning to sound like something i ought to avoid for the time being |
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| 22:12.52 | Oday | not cowering, just being cautious |
| 22:13.10 | Bushmills | well, if you don't need it, get rid of it |
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| 22:13.18 | Oday | i need something better |
| 22:13.27 | Oday | this thing crashes on me sometimes |
| 22:13.51 | Oday | brb |
| 22:13.52 | Bushmills | s/need/want/ |
| 22:14.03 | Oday | i never understood this new notation |
| 22:14.05 | craigevil | LibreOffice |
| 22:14.06 | ZykoticK9 | Bushmills, ;) |
| 22:14.12 | Oday | it is a hassle for when you simply have a typo and not a logical error |
| 22:14.34 | Oday | the asterisk works just fine for typos |
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| 22:22.13 | roe | can anyone recommend a tool (with relevant options) to examine audio and video codecs of movie rips? I am interested in comparing codecs and bitrates between files. I am ideally looking for something with a smaller SNR than just using mplayer |
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| 22:22.39 | topgun21 | waht is the command to remove akll componentas of the evolution mail client |
| 22:22.53 | pipeline | topgun21: remove the evolution-common package, then run apt-get autoremove |
| 22:23.08 | jaimesilva | roe: mplayer output on terminal or vlc with -vv or -vvv option |
| 22:23.09 | topgun21 | thanks pipeline |
| 22:23.23 | roe | jaimesilva, mplayer output is very noisy |
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| 22:23.43 | jaimesilva | roe: but it will tell u what u need |
| 22:23.44 | roe | I'd like something with a more focused output |
| 22:23.51 | roe | that is true |
| 22:24.02 | roe | but I have to do it for 300 files |
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| 22:24.20 | jaimesilva | roe: grep & awk |
| 22:24.27 | roe | so I was hoping to keep bash hacking to a minimum |
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| 22:24.59 | jaimesilva | roe: I seem to remember there is an identify option on mplayer, check the man |
| 22:25.14 | warp0x00 | i was hoping to keep bash hacking to a maximum \m/ |
| 22:25.24 | roe | jaimesilva, ok, I will look, thanks. |
| 22:26.26 | Bushmills | roe, mediainfo |
| 22:26.35 | jaimesilva | roe thinks mplayer's output is noisy! I guess he hasn't tried vlc -vvv ! |
| 22:29.02 | warp0x00 | doesnt mplayer have a -quiet or something |
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| 22:30.57 | roe | hrm, mediainfo doesn't have a man page |
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| 22:32.00 | gnarface | can't you just append ">/dev/null 2>&1" or something to the command? |
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| 22:33.33 | omar | Is there anyone who speaks Arabic |
| 22:33.34 | omar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.44 | eshat | !arabic |
| 22:33.44 | dpkg | from memory, arabic is Linux supports the Arabic language. See http://www.arabeyes.org/download/documents/howto/arabic-howto-en/ For help with debian in Arabic, ask in #debian-lb on irc.freenode.net (and be patient! it's a small community) |
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| 22:34.12 | topgun21 | is there a port of freecolor from the debian repos |
| 22:34.18 | omar | <eshat> yes ! ? |
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| 22:36.34 | omar | Is there anyone who speaks Arabic |
| 22:36.35 | omar | If there is no one in any case I use Google Translation |
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| 22:37.04 | omar | ok ? |
| 22:37.13 | Oday | yea yea |
| 22:37.15 | Oday | here |
| 22:37.40 | Bop | ,versions mplayer |
| 22:37.42 | judd | Package mplayer on i386 -- lenny: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3.2; lenny-security: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3.2; squeeze: 2:1.0~rc3++final.dfsg1-1; squeeze-multimedia: 2:1.0~rc3++svn20100804-0.2; sid: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1-2; wheezy: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1-2; wheezy-multimedia: 3:1.0~rc4+svn20110308-0.1; sid-multimedia: 3:1.0~rc4+svn20110308-0.2 |
| 22:37.47 | Oday | omar, i speak arabic |
| 22:38.09 | omar | Ø·Ùب جÙد |
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| 22:38.26 | omar | <Oday> جÙد سأØتاج Ù
ساعدت٠|
| 22:38.40 | Oday | alright |
| 22:38.44 | Oday | ask |
| 22:39.20 | omar | اÙا جدÙد Ù٠اÙÙÙÙÙÙس |
| 22:39.26 | Oday | okay |
| 22:39.29 | Oday | i am new too |
| 22:39.35 | Oday | well maybe not as new as you are |
| 22:39.37 | Oday | :) |
| 22:39.41 | omar | ÙسأØاÙ٠تÙصÙب دÙبÙا٠اÙآ٠عÙ٠اÙÙÙرتÙا٠بÙÙس |
| 22:39.45 | jaimesilva | Its so nice to see how Konversation / Debian shows foreign text and in the correct orientation, looks so cool :D |
| 22:39.47 | Oday | ok |
| 22:39.59 | Oday | should be easy, omar |
| 22:40.01 | omar | ÙØ£ÙÙ٠أØببت اÙدÙبÙا٠|
| 22:40.07 | omar | ÙعÙ
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| 22:40.11 | Oday | good, Debian loves you too, omar |
| 22:40.19 | omar | سطبتÙا Ùب٠ذÙÙ |
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| 22:40.26 | b_52light | plz i'm trying to compile a new kernel following http://www.debiantutorials.com/compile-the-kernel-on-debian-etch/ |
| 22:40.30 | Oday | what's the first word? |
| 22:40.37 | b_52light | but i'm having at boot kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 22:40.38 | nrth | so does irssi jaimesilva. I think .. |
| 22:40.40 | topgun21 | I have been using debian on and off for the past 8 years |
| 22:40.43 | omar | ÙÙ٠إذا ÙÙ٠أÙ
اÙ
Ù Ø´ÙØ¡ أثÙاء اÙتصÙب سÙ٠أسأÙ٠عÙÙÙ |
| 22:40.49 | omar | اتÙÙÙا |
| 22:40.50 | Oday | ah ok |
| 22:40.52 | Oday | yea sure |
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| 22:41.06 | omar | تÙ
اÙ
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| 22:41.09 | omar | Ø´Ùرا ÙÙ |
| 22:41.14 | omar | سأبدأ اÙØ¢Ù |
| 22:41.16 | Bushmills | well, nothing an /ignore can't take care of |
| 22:41.17 | Oday | can you read this, omar ? "feek te2ra hal kalam haida le ana 3am bektbo hon?" |
| 22:41.41 | nrth | splorfs |
| 22:41.55 | omar | <Oday> ا٠شاء اÙÙÙ |
| 22:42.01 | omar | سÙ٠أÙرأ٠|
| 22:42.06 | Oday | well? can you or can't you? |
| 22:42.11 | themill | Oday, omar: #debian is an English language channel. I don't know of an arabic language channel that is active that you can use, but you could always take it to a private message. |
| 22:42.13 | Oday | it's right there, do you understand what i wrote? |
| 22:42.33 | Oday | i thought that there was some sort of restriction for other languages.. |
| 22:42.40 | Oday | but the topic doesn't mention anything of the sort |
| 22:42.46 | Oday | because i checked it before going into this |
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| 22:42.53 | Oday | unless it's considered as common sense |
| 22:43.03 | Oday | because Debian supports many languages |
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| 22:43.41 | jaimesilva | Oday: seems like u can use #debian-lb |
| 22:43.48 | Oday | really |
| 22:43.50 | Oday | oh yea |
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| 22:43.50 | themill | Oday: we have language specific channels for many languages, but not one for Arabic that I know of. #debian-lb seems to have died. |
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| 22:44.07 | Oday | actually..the owner of that channel is my friend, Armageddon, i completely forgot that that one existed |
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| 22:44.56 | jaimesilva | well it's natural it ended since was from Armageddon :) |
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| 22:45.00 | Oday | lol |
| 22:45.01 | Oday | yea |
| 22:45.06 | Oday | we are not talking recently |
| 22:45.21 | Oday | and he is on Arch all the time now |
| 22:46.28 | Oday | think i'll start it again |
| 22:46.33 | Oday | with what little knowledge i have |
| 22:46.47 | Oday | ah, didnt drop yet |
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| 22:49.36 | spinn | Hi, everyone |
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| 22:50.11 | spinn | I'm looking for someone that can help me get my messed up debian 6 update running again. |
| 22:50.22 | MrFrood | !ask |
| 22:50.23 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 22:50.31 | Bushmills | like, a consultant? |
| 22:50.44 | spinn | No |
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| 22:50.49 | spinn | well yes |
| 22:50.50 | spinn | sort of |
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| 22:51.04 | spinn | someone with a bit more knowledge than me to push me in the right direction |
| 22:51.07 | Bushmills | yellow pages, maybe? |
| 22:51.14 | spinn | GRUB error 15 |
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| 22:51.28 | pipeline | spinn: here's the hard fuckin truth man: hand-holding is expensive |
| 22:51.44 | MrFrood | spinn: ask specific questions and we maybe able to help |
| 22:51.59 | pipeline | spinn: I bill out at ~$150 an hour, so if you actually need your hand held, get in touch. Otherwise, ask real, specific questions and expect to do research to understand the answers. |
| 22:52.08 | spinn | OK |
| 22:52.16 | spinn | I have no problem with any of these things |
| 22:52.21 | spinn | So I updated from Lenny |
| 22:52.27 | spinn | and ran update-from-grub-legacy |
| 22:52.35 | spinn | and chose the wrong hard disk |
| 22:52.38 | spinn | and now I can't boot |
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| 22:52.49 | MrFrood | spinn: the enter key is NOT puntuation |
| 22:52.50 | Bushmills | !enter |
| 22:52.50 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 22:52.51 | spinn | been banging my head because of this for the last 4-5 hours |
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| 22:53.04 | spinn | MrFrood: I'm sorry. |
| 22:53.24 | jrgp | spinn: boot livecd, chroot into localinstall and run grub-update or something similar |
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| 22:53.36 | spinn | @jrgp: I already did that |
| 22:53.42 | jrgp | spinn: to what avail? |
| 22:53.49 | spinn | @jrgp: But the same error message still appears. |
| 22:54.14 | spinn | @jrgp: I ran grub-update and it said that it found the linux image and everytrhing. |
| 22:54.23 | spinn | @jrgp: But when I reboot I still get the message. |
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| 22:54.36 | jrgp | you're absolutely certain you're picking the correct /dev/sdX? |
| 22:54.55 | spinn | @jrgp: I presume it's because I ran a RAID1 |
| 22:54.57 | Bushmills | spinn: you may want to install-grub /your/device |
| 22:55.07 | jrgp | spinn: soft or hard raid? |
| 22:55.10 | spinn | @Bushmills: Did that too |
| 22:55.12 | MrFrood | spinn: can't you mess with the bios settings to boot to the disk grub is installed on? |
| 22:55.13 | spinn | @jrgp: soft |
| 22:55.32 | spinn | @MrFrood: I'm not even sure on which disk I installed grub on. |
| 22:55.34 | jrgp | spinn: is your mdadm raid mounted at / or somewhere non essential? |
| 22:56.01 | spinn | @jrgp: I don't know the answer to that. How can I check for that? |
| 22:56.13 | spinn | @jrgp: I presume it's at / |
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| 23:01.19 | spinn | OK, I've switched the boot drive order in BIOS. |
| 23:01.32 | spinn | Now it says fd0 read error. |
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| 23:01.41 | spinn | I'm at a total loss here :(. |
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| 23:07.24 | spinn | Can anyone help me with this then? |
| 23:09.28 | spinn | Nobody? |
| 23:09.54 | spinn | Please? |
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| 23:18.21 | dsm | Hello, I am running Iceweasel 3.6.15 on squeeze. After typing "aptitude full-upgrade", I get the following: |
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| 23:18.27 | dsm | http://pastebin.ca/2046994 |
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| 23:18.52 | dsm | How should I proceed if I want to stay with Iceweasel 3.6 ? |
| 23:19.16 | ranix | type "n" instead of "y" at the dialog that wants you to upgrade |
| 23:20.06 | dsm | I have tried that and it gives me other options, however I do want to still receive upgrades for 3.6 |
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| 23:21.37 | dsm | In my sources.list, I have "deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy iceweasel-3.6" |
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| 23:24.15 | dvs | sounds like someone is mixing releases |
| 23:24.48 | dsm | http://pastebin.ca/2047005 |
| 23:25.26 | dsm | That is with the -V flag. However, I *do* want to upgrade to 3.6.16 from 3.6.15 |
| 23:25.32 | spinn | So I totally don't know what to do. Google isn't of much help, since I don't know what to search for anymore. |
| 23:25.45 | spinn | All I want is to get my system back up and running, and I'll be on my way. |
| 23:25.49 | themill | dsm: you're mixing squeeze and wheezy here. This isn't a good plan. |
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| 23:26.41 | dsm | I know that. It put wheezy in my sources.list so that I could stick with Iceweasel 3.6. What is the best way to stick with 3.6 on squeeze ? |
| 23:28.10 | themill | dsm: why did you think that wheezy would help there? You should read http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 23:28.39 | dsm | I just found that actually. |
| 23:29.02 | dvs | dsm: so.... change the drop down lists and... ? |
| 23:29.06 | dsm | I think I'm sorted out now. |
| 23:29.37 | dsm | I had just thought before that changing it to wheezy was the only way to stick with 3.6... I see that I was wrong. I will change sources.list |
| 23:30.37 | dsm | OK. It seems to be upgrading to 3.6.16 fine now. |
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| 23:40.26 | sirtophat | I have xfce4 installed, but there's no option to use it at login |
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| 23:43.51 | MrFrood | sirtophat: which login manager do you use |
| 23:44.10 | Craigwd_2000 | My Firefox never got upgraded to 3.6.16... How should I go about figuring out which other upgrades haven't been installed properly...? |
| 23:44.14 | sirtophat | the default for the beta 64-bit |
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| 23:44.37 | Resilience | hello to everyoone |
| 23:44.39 | sirtophat | Why firefox 3? |
| 23:44.48 | sirtophat | shouldn't it upgrade to 4 |
| 23:45.11 | Craigwd_2000 | Oh: I mean Iceweasel... |
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| 23:45.18 | MrFrood | sirtophat: give it time and 4 will make it to backports |
| 23:45.46 | Craigwd_2000 | So: I need to enable backports...? |
| 23:46.16 | MrFrood | Craigwd_2000: upto you |
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| 23:46.43 | linux2 | hey there. Ok I have run into a rather annoying, but stupid problem. I just updated my install of debian testing on my laptop to the latest packages available. For some reason it has made my touchpad mouse speed VERY slow. It is almost unusable. Anyone know where exactly this is controlled? Changing the settings within KDE seems to have no effect. Thanks. |
| 23:46.44 | MrFrood | !tell Craigwd_2000 about backports |
| 23:47.00 | Resilience | I'm having trouble with a laptop and alsa configuration. If I run ubuntu, it gets configured right, but with debian I have no sound. I have tried almost everything with /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf, and it still does not work. I have the outputs of alsa-test.sh for both s.o.'s (ubuntu and debian) anybody can help me please? |
| 23:47.43 | MrFrood | !tell Resilience about alsactl |
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| 23:49.18 | Resilience | MrFrood, thank you, I'm trying ti |
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| 23:51.33 | Resilience | MrFrood, did not work either :( |
| 23:52.19 | sirtophat | The Log Out guy looks like the one from Portal sortof |
| 23:52.30 | MrFrood | Resilience: sorry to ask the stupid questions but you have fired up a mixer (e.g. alsamixer) to the levels? |
| 23:53.34 | lxuser | i'm trying to union-mount an SD card over my root FS, so that all write requests go to the card. anyone got this to work? |
| 23:53.36 | Resilience | MrFrood, yes, I have done, I hve checked everything, from sound levels, to mute channels, to connect some speakers... and still does not work, and with ubuntu it sounds ok (but I use debian) |
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| 23:54.18 | MrFrood | Resilience: dose the card require non-free firmware? |
| 23:54.56 | Resilience | MrFrood, no, it works with the hda intel module, and it is a realtek alc269 codec |
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| 23:56.49 | sirtophat | I remember last time I installed xfce on a Debian installation, I could choose to use it from the login screen |
| 23:56.56 | sirtophat | now it's not there |
| 23:57.16 | MrFrood | Resilience: Not sure what else to suggest other than working your way through the ALSA page on the DEbian wiki and trying the Debian-user mail list |
| 23:57.30 | Bop | E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list |
| 23:57.40 | Bop | can anyone tell me src urls please ? |
| 23:57.46 | Bop | for testing |
| 23:57.50 | Resilience | MrFrood, wiki.debian.org? |
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| 23:58.08 | MrFrood | Resilience: think so |
| 23:58.44 | MrFrood | sirtophat: check the settings for your login manager |
| 23:58.45 | Resilience | MrFrood, and the list is debian-user? |
| 23:58.55 | MrFrood | yes |
| 23:59.13 | Resilience | will try it, but I don't uderstand what can be wrong |
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| 23:59.43 | MrFrood | Resilience: be warned it's high volume so you want to filter it in to a seperate folder |
| 23:59.56 | Bop | !sources |
| 23:59.57 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
