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| 00:00.21 | sirtophat | I don't see anything relevant in its settings |
| 00:00.26 | Resilience | MrFrood, thanks |
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| 00:00.46 | MrFrood | Resilience: you're welcome |
| 00:01.15 | lxuser | i'm trying to union-mount an SD card over my root fs, so that all write requests go to the card, not the disk. anyone got this to work? |
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| 00:01.36 | MrFrood | sirtophat: As we don't know which login manager you are using it is hard to be specific |
| 00:01.55 | selbeimanti | hi, i switched to the newest kernel version (from .32.3 iirc) on 2 different systems, and in both X would not the video card any more (radeon + nvidia, respectively) |
| 00:02.07 | selbeimanti | how can i get the nvidia driver back? |
| 00:02.32 | sirtophat | MrFrood, how can I find out which one it is |
| 00:02.59 | MrFrood | sirtophat: which DE are you using? |
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| 00:04.38 | MrFrood | sirtophat: Gnome, KDE, LXDE..? |
| 00:04.54 | sirtophat | Gnome |
| 00:05.11 | selbeimanti | also, is this something special to the .38 kernel upgrade, or is this supposed to happen any time i upgrade a kernel? |
| 00:05.15 | MrFrood | so most likley GDM then |
| 00:06.16 | Bop | http://pastebin.com/ZGBGU7Sw |
| 00:06.20 | MrFrood | selbeimanti: depends on how you have the drivers installed |
| 00:06.33 | Bop | i got this error running apt-get build-dep mplayer , help please |
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| 00:07.39 | selbeimanti | MrFrood: X tells me the driver "nvidia" does not exist, which appears in xorg.conf - is that a hint to something? |
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| 00:07.54 | MrFrood | Bop: there is no package named mplayer |
| 00:08.04 | Bop | hmm |
| 00:08.19 | Bop | MrFrood, there is |
| 00:08.34 | MrFrood | Bop: mplayer-nox or -gui I think |
| 00:08.44 | lxuser | selbeimanti: the nvidia kernel driver is proprietary and we do not support proprietary software. use xserver-xorg-video-nouveau instead. |
| 00:08.49 | MeglaW | etch ibstall was fail |
| 00:08.58 | Bop | MrFrood, in aptitude search mplayer , i got one package that is called mplayer |
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| 00:09.48 | MrFrood | Bop: most likly a virual package pointing to -nox or -gui |
| 00:10.09 | Bop | apt-get build-dep mplayer-gui doesnt work wither |
| 00:10.28 | MrFrood | selbeimanti: did you build the drivers your self or you the debian packages |
| 00:10.41 | selbeimanti | lxuser: thanks that worked :) |
| 00:10.49 | selbeimanti | MrFrood: i don't remember |
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| 00:12.43 | MrFrood | selbeimanti: I'm guessing you built them yourself which will require a rebuild every time there is a major kernel upgrade, the debian packages should auto update but will not always be the latest driver |
| 00:14.04 | selbeimanti | i'm just using nouveau now, so i should be fine on future upgrades? |
| 00:14.26 | MrFrood | Bop: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/mplayer-gui |
| 00:15.00 | MrFrood | selbeimanti: yes but the 3D support will suck |
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| 00:16.46 | selbeimanti | yeah i just noticed that |
| 00:17.15 | selbeimanti | i'm not using 3d a lot so it should be ok for the moment |
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| 00:17.58 | MrFrood | notes that selbeimanti obviously does not play oolite |
| 00:18.46 | MidnighToker | evening people. I have a massive entropy problem on this machine. was wondering if anyone could advise. |
| 00:19.37 | MrFrood | !anyone |
| 00:19.37 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 00:23.00 | lxuser | MidnighToker: try cat dev/random |
| 00:23.42 | MidnighToker | Hi people. I have no entropy on my system. I noticed that things like sshd take forever to present users with a password box and narrowed it down to /dev/random being empty. as much as I've tried to swap random with urandom (using udev rules, and had it fail) I'm wondering if it means i have some deeper problem as well. |
| 00:24.01 | MidnighToker | hopes that's better :S |
| 00:24.49 | casts | work out what's depleting /dev/random |
| 00:25.19 | casts | if nothing is, then you could take action to generate more entropy |
| 00:25.24 | MidnighToker | casts: well, at the moment i'm rebooting the box quite a lot, which probably isn't helping. how would i find out what is using it? |
| 00:25.35 | desrt | casts: this is debian, so we know that it's not ssh-keygen |
| 00:25.39 | desrt | ducks |
| 00:25.51 | lxuser | MidnighToker: get a cat and let it walk on your keyboard. |
| 00:25.59 | casts | desrt: i loled |
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| 00:26.17 | casts | MidnighToker: you could see what opens /dev/ramdom |
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| 00:26.20 | MidnighToker | lxuser: as much as i like it, this is usually a headless box (hence noticing sshd) |
| 00:26.20 | casts | s/ram/ran |
| 00:26.23 | LV-426 | MidnighToker, lsof /dev/urandom |
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| 00:26.55 | MidnighToker | lxuser: i could get a hampster on wheel inside, and attach it to a ps2 mouse scroll... that wouldn't involve keeping a keyboard plugged in |
| 00:27.00 | MidnighToker | good call |
| 00:28.08 | omar | Oday , ? |
| 00:29.05 | MidnighToker | nothing seems to have /dev/random open... though i'm wondering if running xen might not be helping |
| 00:29.39 | MidnighToker | so how can i go about generating more entropy then? |
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| 00:32.18 | lxuser | MidnighToker: you could install rng-tools and let it read from /dev/urandom. horrible hack, but since urandom is cryptographically safe it should be ok |
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| 00:35.28 | home | hey guyd |
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| 00:35.39 | home | how can I detect intrusions? |
| 00:35.44 | home | for a server |
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| 00:39.33 | home | how can I detect intrusions? |
| 00:39.48 | dondelelcaro | home: that's a very difficult question to answer |
| 00:40.08 | dondelelcaro | home: there are lots of methods, but many of them center around preventing them in the first place |
| 00:40.12 | home | uhmm, let me bget more specific |
| 00:40.30 | home | its something basic for monitoring my server |
| 00:40.42 | home | From intrusion attacks |
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| 00:41.01 | lxuser | i'm trying to union-mount an SD card over my root fs, so that all write requests go to the card, not the disk. anyone got this to work? |
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| 00:44.23 | LanoX | HI all i am installing debian, and i was wondering what FS do u recommand under lvm |
| 00:44.53 | dondelelcaro | LanoX: nothing under LVM |
| 00:45.06 | LanoX | ? |
| 00:45.08 | dondelelcaro | LanoX: well, besides raid under LVM. |
| 00:45.22 | LanoX | y is that |
| 00:45.38 | dondelelcaro | LanoX: you don't need a filesystem underneath LVM |
| 00:45.46 | dondelelcaro | LanoX: so there's no point in incuring the overhead of one |
| 00:46.05 | LanoX | yeah i see it will dump everything under volumegroup |
| 00:46.06 | LanoX | right |
| 00:46.22 | LanoX | but if i was to spread it like /tmp /home /usr |
| 00:46.32 | LanoX | what would u use ext3 or 4 |
| 00:47.01 | dondelelcaro | LanoX: currently I'm using ext3 ontop of LVM, but that's just because I'm a bit conservative with my filesystem choices. |
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| 00:47.19 | LanoX | yes that is why i want it as well |
| 00:47.30 | LanoX | and plus it kind of forceces me to learn lvm commands and etc |
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| 00:47.48 | LanoX | if i have all under lvm is kind of 2 basic lol |
| 00:48.12 | babilen | LanoX: ext3 is certainly not a bad choice, but so is ext4 -- I would probably choose the latter these days. |
| 00:49.13 | LanoX | babilen, thanks mate |
| 00:49.51 | LanoX | 1 more question how hard is it to install gnome 3 i been reading but it seems like no many ppl had good luck |
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| 00:52.36 | geegeegee | what would be the best way to see each users bandwith used per month? |
| 00:52.56 | lxuser | i'm trying to union-mount an SD card over my root fs, so that all write requests go to the card, not the disk. anyone got this to work? |
| 00:53.10 | casts | geegeegee: that's a little bit difficult |
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| 00:53.57 | omar | ext3 or ext4 ? |
| 00:54.02 | casts | lxuser: the debian-live project sure did... |
| 00:54.28 | LanoX | babilen, what filesyste,m d u use /boot |
| 00:54.31 | casts | lxuser: imho building a custom debian-live image would be how i'd go about that, given i'm lazy |
| 00:54.32 | LanoX | ext3 or 4 |
| 00:54.51 | casts | use ext3 for /boot |
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| 00:55.13 | LanoX | casts, i bee reading they that is what ppl suggest to use ext3 and ext4 for fs |
| 00:55.24 | LanoX | is thre a reason why everyone prefesrs boot on ex3 |
| 00:55.26 | LanoX | ext3 |
| 00:55.56 | casts | better compatibility, no advantage to /boot being ext4 |
| 00:56.16 | PhoenixSTF | hey anyone knows where can i find qmail smtp auth? |
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| 00:56.50 | LanoX | casts, thanks is there any dpcmentation on best practices or simmilar to that |
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| 00:57.20 | eyeris | What is the nvidia-kernel-dkms change for? |
| 00:57.30 | omar | I am now proved Debian Vertual Box |
| 00:57.30 | omar | Even I am learning |
| 00:57.30 | omar | Then proven by the hard real |
| 00:57.30 | omar | I will use Google Translation |
| 00:57.30 | omar | Agreed |
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| 00:57.32 | eyeris | dpkg told me how to install it, but I'm curious why that changed slightly |
| 00:57.32 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, eyeris |
| 00:57.45 | lxuser | casts: but then it would use squashfs for the root disk. plus I want the option of booting w/ my actual root disk in write mode. |
| 00:57.56 | home | so ext4 is bad |
| 00:58.00 | home | and ext3 better? |
| 00:58.21 | casts | home: no one said that. |
| 00:58.23 | ajikeshi_ | depends |
| 00:58.30 | ajikeshi_ | ext3 is a bit faster than ext4 in most cases afaik |
| 00:58.40 | casts | but hell, for /you/, it doesn't matter. |
| 00:59.02 | casts | XFS, ext3, ext4, you probably won't notice |
| 00:59.27 | home | what about btrfs |
| 00:59.35 | LanoX | casts, is there any documentation that i can read on that will explain benefits of one to other |
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| 00:59.37 | home | i hear using certain programs are faster |
| 00:59.46 | home | in different file systems |
| 00:59.49 | home | like mysql something |
| 00:59.56 | casts | LanoX: google. |
| 01:00.08 | LanoX | yeah i know so much thos and somtimes gets confusing lol |
| 01:00.12 | LanoX | but thanks |
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| 01:00.49 | casts | do you /really/ know so much? |
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| 01:00.59 | LanoX | who |
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| 01:01.31 | LanoX | oh sorry what i meant to say is that google has so much that reading sometimes gets confusing on whats better whats not |
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| 01:04.05 | omar | Swap , primary or logical ? |
| 01:05.42 | omar | ? |
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| 01:07.03 | omar | Swap , primary or logical ? |
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| 01:08.43 | omar | Swap , primary or logical ? |
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| 01:09.49 | nevyn | lvm |
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| 01:10.12 | uoods | yeah, spam 10 more times and people will answer |
| 01:10.51 | omar | ?? |
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| 01:11.38 | quatch | If my hardware was supported in ubuntu will it also be supported in Debian? |
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| 01:14.55 | lxuser | !tell omar about your sister |
| 01:15.47 | waisted | !help |
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| 01:17.14 | un214 | !your sister |
| 01:17.14 | dpkg | hmm... your sister is a bitch |
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| 01:17.32 | un214 | that was needlessly offensive |
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| 01:18.51 | User_Sand | hello, can you help me installing drupal6 on debian using lighttpd instead apache? |
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| 01:20.45 | quatch | Is Debian as easy to install as Ubuntu is? |
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| 01:21.33 | un214 | I wouldn't know |
| 01:21.44 | un214 | I debootstrapped it from ubuntu and overwrote ubuntu |
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| 01:25.37 | MrFrood | don't debian and ubuntu use the same installer? |
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| 01:25.52 | TaZeR | yeyeye debian debian |
| 01:26.00 | TaZeR | so much better than ubuntu thats for little kids! |
| 01:26.06 | quatch | lol it tazer |
| 01:26.52 | TaZeR | how is my people tonight? |
| 01:27.16 | MrFrood | awake? |
| 01:27.19 | lxuser | ubuntu is probably an ancient African word which means "I can't configure Debian" |
| 01:27.32 | TaZeR | hahahahaha |
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| 01:28.21 | peterrooney | quatch: different is neither easier or harder |
| 01:28.35 | quatch | is there a lot to manually configure when first installing? |
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| 01:29.00 | un214 | probably eqv. to windows |
| 01:29.04 | MrFrood | quatch: upto you |
| 01:29.06 | un214 | all oses have to ask the same things |
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| 01:29.33 | quatch | well as long as i will be able to access the internet to find out what i need to be able to do.. |
| 01:30.02 | MrFrood | quatch: if you select the option to install a desktop enviorement - no more than with ubuntu |
| 01:30.32 | quatch | is installing via netinstall a safe method? |
| 01:31.21 | MrFrood | quatch: if you have a wired connection |
| 01:31.40 | MrFrood | not sure about wireless |
| 01:31.49 | quatch | see i had ubuntu 10.10 and windows 7 dual boot. then i tried to erase them both and install debian. when it booted though it said "loading dmi data pool stream" or something similar and never loaded. |
| 01:32.25 | quatch | so now im using dariks boot and nuke but its taking like 24 hours so i might just power it down |
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| 01:37.02 | quatch | with debian i am using a big screen tv as a monitor. would i be able to geta small monitor and use them both together? just activate which ever one when i want to use it? |
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| 01:38.52 | User_Sand | guys, i have a doubt... i have installed lighttpd but when i try installing drupal6 it still want to install apache |
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| 01:42.19 | lxuser | quatch: probably |
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| 01:50.49 | Corey | Building up my VM toybox. Current plan is to have the host OS be Debian Squeeze, and build a number of KVM guests on it. |
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| 01:52.25 | Corey | I was going to do the disks via LVM, but I'm not sure if I should include the host's OS in that. |
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| 01:59.06 | home | LVM? |
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| 02:06.20 | karlpinc | Corey: May as well. |
| 02:06.23 | karlpinc | !tell home about lvm |
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| 02:07.09 | home | :D |
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| 02:09.28 | quuxman | how do I create a bootable USB flash drive from an ISO image? Ubuntu has this usb-creator utility.. but not seeing it in Debian archives |
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| 02:12.31 | ectospasm | quuxman: I have had moderate success with unetbootin |
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| 02:13.16 | ectospasm | quuxman: I've also seen reports of using dd to install an ISO onto USB, but I've never been able to get that method working (i.e. the USB stick won't boot) |
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| 02:15.23 | home | download tuxboot XD |
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| 02:35.48 | woonix | dd onto iso worked for me to install debian |
| 02:35.55 | woonix | i mean dd iso onto usb |
| 02:36.26 | kevin6888 | woonix: what iso did you use? |
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| 02:37.15 | woonix | I believe it was the x86 netinstall iso |
| 02:38.18 | woonix | debian-6.0.1a-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 02:38.23 | quuxman | ectospasm: I downloaded unetbootin but it freezes part way through |
| 02:39.32 | kevin6888 | woonix: you didn't need to dd a boot img then copy an iso? |
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| 02:40.10 | karlpinc | quuxman: You're better off following the debian install guide. |
| 02:40.49 | quuxman | karlpinc: I have gotten that to work, but I actually have an Ubuntu ISO I want to use, so that method doesn't work with it. I tried |
| 02:41.25 | karlpinc | quuxman: For that you've got to ask the Ubuntu folks. We don't know what they do so can't support it. |
| 02:41.25 | quuxman | woonix: what about the boot sector? |
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| 02:41.44 | quuxman | karlpinc: the iso isn't standard? |
| 02:42.09 | quuxman | karlpinc: it's got to be possible to put a bootable iso image on to a USB disk so it boots in the same way |
| 02:42.26 | karlpinc | quuxman: Go ask the syslinux people. They know how. |
| 02:42.32 | kevin6888 | i'm reading this: http://h0bbel.p0ggel.org/installing-debian-from-a-usb-stick |
| 02:42.40 | kevin6888 | but the boot.img.gz link is dead |
| 02:42.51 | Craigwd_2000 | Why isn't SeaMonkey available in the Debian Wheezy Repos...? I couldn't help but notice that Vega Strike isn't available either... |
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| 02:44.14 | saulo | My wireless just stopped working and I don't know how identify the problem. KDE4 application do not connect anymore and iwconfig don't return errors. Somebody could help me to identify some error? |
| 02:45.49 | Craigwd_2000 | Saulo: I don't know about what log to find the error in: but you might try installing wicd-kde... I've had issues with the default Network Manager that's part of KDE 4 before... |
| 02:47.21 | quuxman | ok cool, where unetbootin failed, tuxboot worked |
| 02:47.53 | karlpinc | Craigwd_2000: I think those sorts of questions are answered on the package page. Or possibly in the bug tracking system which records the withdrawal of the package due to a bug that can't be fixed. |
| 02:52.06 | karlpinc | saulo: You could try the output of dmesg. I think /var/log/syslog has about everything, that /var/log/daemon does not. In any case you could start the program from the command line and see if there's relevant output. |
| 02:54.39 | Craigwd_2000 | Karlpinc: I think that Vega Strike may actually be available from the third party PlayDeb Repo... I'm going over to mozilla.org right now: I think maybe they produce .debs of SeaMonkey for users to use if I'm not mistaken... |
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| 02:57.26 | saulo | Craigwd_2000: Thanks for info. Tryed here and lost my connection xD Now I see "checking for access point association" and the connection fail. |
| 02:57.37 | quatch | i just installed debian but when i boot it says verifyig dmi pool data.... boot from cd _ then hangs |
| 02:57.53 | warp0x00 | take out the cd |
| 02:58.02 | warp0x00 | or remove the cdrom drive from boot order in your bios |
| 02:58.08 | quatch | i dont have one in |
| 02:58.21 | warp0x00 | well it hasnt even gotten to debian yet |
| 02:58.40 | quatch | ooh ok ill remove cdrom in ios and try again |
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| 02:59.40 | quuxman | although the particular ISO I had failed to boot |
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| 03:00.27 | Delf | what do I type to start a program in "threaded mode"? |
| 03:00.43 | Delf | Meaning, the parent program will not be waiting for the child program to finish. |
| 03:01.01 | warp0x00 | end it with an & |
| 03:01.15 | quatch | now it just says verifying dmi pool data... then han |
| 03:01.23 | quatch | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:01.33 | warp0x00 | maybe your grub install is messed up |
| 03:01.37 | warp0x00 | or maybe its your bios |
| 03:01.54 | Craigwd_2000 | Quatch: that sort of issue sounds like a BIOS issue...: maybe you need to upgrade your BIOS or re-configure your CMOS Setup options... |
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| 03:02.33 | quatch | it may be the mbr i had dual ubuntu and windows 7 before but i formatted |
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| 03:02.52 | quatch | what should i do to my bios? |
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| 03:04.08 | pundit | my sound goes off exactly after one minute of playing. has nothing to do with the player, mplayer or different. must be either alsa or powersave problem. how can i get rid of that? |
| 03:04.24 | Craigwd_2000 | Quatch: Try to make sure the boot order is right...: among other things... You might also want to make sure that your optical drive's firmware is up to date... |
| 03:04.26 | quatch | never updated bios before |
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| 03:04.59 | quatch | how do i check the firmware? i think its set right. boot from hd first. |
| 03:05.07 | Delf | thanks warp0x00 |
| 03:05.28 | warp0x00 | np |
| 03:07.17 | Craigwd_2000 | Quatch: Well: check the manufacturer's site for BIOS and/or firmware updates & install them if necessary... Typically when booting from a CD-ROM or DVD-ROM it's best to tell the CMOS Setup program to boot from your optical drive first...: otherwise it will just try to boot off of your blank/formatted HD... |
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| 03:09.36 | quatch | sorry lost connection what did you say? |
| 03:09.49 | quatch | having to use my phone to get on irc lol |
| 03:10.19 | Craigwd_2000 | Quatch: Well: check the manufacturer's site for BIOS and/or firmware updates & install them if necessary... Typically when booting from a CD-ROM or DVD-ROM it's best to tell the CMOS Setup program to boot from your optical drive first...: otherwise it will just try to boot off of your blank/formatted HD... |
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| 03:11.45 | quatch | ok hope i dont break something |
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| 03:12.45 | quatch | if its not that my bios needs to be updated what is it? |
| 03:13.01 | quatch | ubuntu and win7 worked fine |
| 03:13.32 | warp0x00 | reinstall your grub mbr or something like that |
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| 03:14.45 | quatch | how would i do that? with a live cd or usb netinstall debian? |
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| 03:16.22 | DammitJim | what vncviewer can I use for an x11vnc server? |
| 03:17.05 | Craigwd_2000 | Quatch: Well: optical drives sometimes have trouble reading certain discs & outdated firmware causes your optical drive to not read the Debian Install discs properly... |
| 03:17.06 | quatch | so no one knows how i can fix my mbr? |
| 03:17.16 | quatch | oopss lol |
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| 03:18.49 | warp0x00 | quatch, you run something like grub-setup (hd0) but... |
| 03:19.06 | quatch | im looking at my bios where can i find the version? phoneix award bios |
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| 03:20.43 | quatch | but? |
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| 03:22.32 | Craigwd_2000 | Quatch: There must be a command that you can run the re-installs GRUB...: I think it might be grub-install... Quatch: If you press the Pause/Break key while the PC's BIOS ID is showing...: you can write it down on a piece of paper & then use a site like WIM's BIOS to ID your Motherboard & find any & all available BIOS updates... |
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| 03:39.53 | DammitJim | I'm trying to mount an external hard drive over usb and dmesg is not giving me a /dev/sdd1, but just [sdd] Attached SCSI disk message |
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| 03:48.11 | peterrooney | DammitJim: fdisk -l /dev/sdd |
| 03:48.32 | DammitJim | peterrooney, thanks dude.. I turned off the device and turned it back on and it came to life |
| 03:48.34 | DammitJim | WEIRD! |
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| 03:58.15 | rking | Do any of the online movie rental places (like Netflix) work on our system? |
| 03:58.36 | jimblah | I want to install debian but I find sets of cd's instead of one install cd... which one do I download? |
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| 03:59.00 | rking | jimblah: Just do the netinstall. No point in downloading all the packages you won't need. |
| 03:59.46 | jimblah | rking: I'm only working with 128 MB of RAM, will the installer still work? |
| 04:00.10 | rking | jimblah: Oh, definitely. 128MB used to be a lot of RAM. |
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| 04:01.01 | jimblah | rking: thankyou, check out Orbiter 2010 @ Wine Appd! |
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| 04:07.36 | quatch | so i checked and i dont need to update my biod |
| 04:07.38 | quatch | bios |
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| 04:08.42 | quatch | so how do i fix grub? |
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| 04:08.58 | kingsley | What's a good way to persuade one of Debian's developers to package a great application that was recently released under the GPL? |
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| 04:09.26 | peterrooney | kingsley: money works well for that |
| 04:10.22 | ZitZ | what application are you referring to? |
| 04:10.42 | rking | quatch: Did you run: update-grub |
| 04:10.52 | kingsley | ZitZ: Thanks for asking. |
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| 04:11.05 | quatch | rking: from live cd? |
| 04:11.08 | kingsley | ZitZ: I'm referring to the "j" programming language. |
| 04:11.38 | quatch | it tells me error: cannot find a device for /. |
| 04:11.39 | ZitZ | i've done some programming in my spare time, and i have never heard of the j language |
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| 04:11.49 | quatch | when i run sudo update-grub |
| 04:11.55 | ZitZ | i've heard of D, and C obviously |
| 04:12.00 | ZitZ | and R |
| 04:12.00 | kingsley | ZitZ: Its predecessor, APL, won the Association for Computing Machinery's (ACM's) Turing award for elegant notation. |
| 04:12.03 | ZitZ | and S |
| 04:12.47 | ZitZ | is it compiled or interpreted? |
| 04:13.05 | kingsley | ZitZ: You're correct that other array programming languages exist, but I'm unaware of any that come close to j, or even APL. |
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| 04:13.16 | rking | quatch: So you're trying to install from a live CD? |
| 04:13.19 | kingsley | Ziber: It's interpreted. |
| 04:13.38 | quatch | well no i used unetbootin to install debian off usb |
| 04:13.47 | quatch | but i have a ubuntu 9.10 live cd |
| 04:14.35 | kingsley | Ziber: Some programmer claim a ten fold increase in productivity with APL, and expect that because j is newer, and ostensibly better, it's fast too. |
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| 04:14.55 | kingsley | Zitz: It's interpreted. |
| 04:15.02 | kingsley | Zitz: Some programmer claim a ten fold increase in productivity with APL, and expect that because j is newer, and ostensibly better, it's fast too. |
| 04:15.25 | kingsley | s/programmer/programmers/ |
| 04:16.01 | ZitZ | python is pretty elegant, i don't mind whitespace because it's good programming to indent to begin with |
| 04:16.24 | quatch | been trying to fix this for 2 days :[ |
| 04:16.44 | rking | Syntax is shallow cosmetics for the largest part. Good libraries and data structures are what matter to me |
| 04:17.16 | rking | quatch: You probably won't get much help here unless you start describing the problem better. |
| 04:17.33 | rking | quatch: I don't know much about that sort of thing, but I do know you've given very little info so far. =) |
| 04:17.42 | kingsley | ZitZ: Yes, I like white space too, but I'm unaware of Python winning the Turing award or leading to a ten fold improvement in productivity. |
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| 04:18.03 | ZitZ | that's true, and python's ridiculous desire to constantly update and change the syntax bothers many, including myself, so much so, they put an end to syntax changes for several years now |
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| 04:18.39 | quatch | i had ubuntu 10.10 and windows 7 dual booting. i used unetbotin netinstall of debian six and formated my hd then installed debian all in one partiton. now when i boot up it says veifying pool data....and hangs. |
| 04:18.47 | kingsley | ZitZ: Do you happen to have any thoughts on how to persuade one of Debian's developers to package a great application that was recently released under the GPL? |
| 04:18.52 | quatch | i can boor inro a live cd though |
| 04:18.53 | ZitZ | lol, i haven't heard of any python awards either, but in the hands of an experienced programmer, unlike myself, it sure leads to productivity increases |
| 04:20.26 | ZitZ | i would hit the mailing list |
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| 04:27.17 | rking | quatch: OK, you just need to keep asking it that way until someone knowledgeable is online. |
| 04:27.37 | rking | quatch: Have you already tried reinstalling from scratch? |
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| 04:31.45 | quatch | yeah, i tried but same problem |
| 04:32.06 | quatch | i even used dban but i stoped it like half way cus it took like 24 hours |
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| 04:43.21 | quatch | what does that grub error mean |
| 04:43.26 | quatch | cannot find a device for / |
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| 04:44.24 | quatch | when i boot debian it hangs at veifying dmi pool data and never boots |
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| 04:46.27 | Piromania666 | so i installed ubuntu-server for learning purposes, and one thing i can't figure out is after installing sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and trying to startx, i get a screenInit failed for driver |
| 04:46.35 | Piromania666 | anyone else has this issue? |
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| 04:53.10 | mtx_init | Piromania666: this is a debian channel, you best ask in theubuntu-server channel. But if you are using any linux distro for learning purposes shed the gui, that's just not how it's done |
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| 04:56.39 | antivigilante | is wxwidgets2.9 coming soon? |
| 04:56.55 | antivigilante | can't use bitcoin gui without it :/ |
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| 05:13.36 | red2kic | Hi. I'm trying to install Nvidia. I'm at... Run this, "# m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source" -- However, I only see nvidia-kernel-source in the repo (it's the only package with the word 'source' in the repo). |
| 05:13.53 | red2kic | along with legacy and such. |
| 05:14.00 | quatch | I had Ubuntu 10.10 dual booting with windows 7. I reformated and used unetbootin to install debian 6 x64 all inside of one partiton. Now when I boot up it says Verifying DMI pool data....then just hangs. It will let me boot with a ubuntu 9.10 live cd, but I dont have a debian live cd. If I run sudo grub-update from live it tells me error: could not find device path for /. What to do? |
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| 05:33.30 | mtx_init | red2kic: it's far easier to just install nvidia-glx |
| 05:34.21 | quatch | I had Ubuntu 10.10 dual booting with windows 7. I reformated and used unetbootin to install debian 6 x64 all inside of one partiton. Now when I boot up it says Verifying DMI pool data....then just hangs. It will let me boot with a ubuntu 9.10 live cd, but I dont have a debian live cd. If I run sudo grub-update from live it tells me error: could not find device path for /. What to do? |
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| 06:09.50 | quuxman | I tried syslinux. Every boot image I have fails in some way when I try to boot it |
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| 06:16.01 | ectospasm | quuxman: what ISO are you trying to boot? |
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| 06:19.06 | quuxman | I've tried debian-504-i386-netinst.iso, ubuntu-rescue-remix-10-10.iso, and now I'm trying the standard Ubuntu 10.10 |
| 06:19.10 | quuxman | but it's not downloaded yet |
| 06:19.25 | ectospasm | same USB thumbdrive? |
| 06:19.35 | quuxman | Yeah, but it's worked before |
| 06:19.36 | kgoetz | why use 504? |
| 06:19.40 | quuxman | With the same debian image |
| 06:19.52 | ectospasm | drive could have gone bad. |
| 06:20.14 | quuxman | Every image fails in a different way |
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| 06:20.36 | ectospasm | quuxman: every image may write different bits to that disk location. |
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| 06:20.54 | quuxman | one doesn't get past the boot loader, the other repeatedly prints "stdout: error" and then loads a system in a ramdisk |
| 06:21.15 | ectospasm | do you have another USB stick to try? |
| 06:21.19 | quuxman | yeah |
| 06:22.11 | ectospasm | quuxman: sanity check: you're comparing the MD5 or SHA1 sums to published values before you burn, right? |
| 06:22.34 | quuxman | no |
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| 06:23.45 | ectospasm | quuxman: then it could be the ISOs are getting corrupted (for whatever reason) |
| 06:24.30 | ectospasm | a lot of times when I have trouble like this, the ISO has been corrupted, and I need to download it again |
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| 06:25.21 | ectospasm | reasons could be anything from hard drive beginning to fail, memory faults, noisy network connections... |
| 06:26.08 | quuxman | yikes |
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| 06:27.41 | quuxman | well the ubuntu-rescue one is definitely correct |
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| 06:28.00 | quuxman | I suspect it's either the usb drive, or the methods I'm using to make it bootable |
| 06:28.43 | ectospasm | unetbootin has been pretty fool-proof for me |
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| 06:29.34 | quuxman | unetbootin consistently froze at a specific point, so I downloaded tuxboot, which works |
| 06:29.38 | quuxman | or at least pretends to |
| 06:29.44 | quuxman | I also used syslinux directly |
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| 06:31.11 | quuxman | simply copy the files in the iso to the usb, cd /media/usbms; mv isolinux/* .; mv isolinux.bin syslinux.bin; mv isolinux.cfg syslinux.cfg; cd; umount /media/usbms; sudo syslinux /dev/sdb1 |
| 06:31.28 | quuxman | that works too |
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| 06:31.33 | gnugr | quuxman: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 |
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| 06:31.43 | Gijs | Hello people |
| 06:31.48 | Gijs | i need to reinstall my server. |
| 06:32.06 | Gijs | But i have to backup my files first, so my question is. whats the best way to pack all this data? |
| 06:32.09 | Gijs | For example zip. |
| 06:33.10 | epsilon | tar.gz is standard in linux |
| 06:33.37 | ectospasm | Gijs: do you have another machine with enough disk capacity to back up your data? |
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| 06:35.45 | Gijs | Yes i do |
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| 06:37.44 | ectospasm | Gijs: does it run some version of Linux? |
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| 06:38.39 | Gijs | Yes |
| 06:38.57 | Bushmills | Gijs: why do you backup only before reinstalling? |
| 06:39.19 | Bushmills | i'd say, what isn't backupped now, is not worth to keep |
| 06:39.33 | Gijs | Because i must reinstall this server |
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| 06:39.44 | Gijs | The OS is broken |
| 06:39.46 | Bushmills | so just format, and restore from backup :) |
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| 06:40.27 | ectospasm | Bushmills: you assume Gijs has had the forethought to make regular backups (-; |
| 06:40.46 | Bushmills | ectospasm: that's why is asked |
| 06:40.49 | Bushmills | i |
| 06:40.57 | Gijs | I got regular backups on my backup server |
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| 06:41.08 | Bushmills | Gijs: thus, there is your data |
| 06:41.11 | Gijs | But my Directadmin is doing that |
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| 06:41.23 | Gijs | but it's not backupping ALL data |
| 06:41.34 | Bushmills | only the important things? |
| 06:41.39 | ectospasm | Gijs: normally it's unwise to backup *everything* |
| 06:41.42 | Gijs | Just the web users |
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| 06:41.54 | Gijs | But i'm running alot of game servers |
| 06:41.57 | Gijs | like 100 of them |
| 06:42.01 | ectospasm | ...if you restore everything, you run the risk of restoring to a broken system. |
| 06:42.33 | Bushmills | can you transfer directly between systems? or do you need to create an intermediate copy? |
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| 06:43.12 | Gijs | What do you mean? |
| 06:43.30 | Bushmills | what do i mean with what? |
| 06:43.43 | Gijs | can you transfer directly between systems? or do you need to create an intermediate copy? |
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| 06:43.54 | Bushmills | no, that's what i askied you |
| 06:43.58 | Gijs | I mean, ofcourse i can transfer data from between the server |
| 06:44.07 | Gijs | s |
| 06:44.10 | daemon | heya all; I wish to install python 2.7 as my primary python package on Wheezy; how would I go about achieving this |
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| 06:47.19 | Bushmills | so you could, say, tar all stuff you want to use from old server and untar it on new server? |
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| 06:48.01 | Gijs | Uhm, no |
| 06:48.30 | Gijs | I need to backup, then move all the backups to my other machine, then reinstall the first machine, and then restore the backups on the resintalled machine |
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| 06:48.48 | Bushmills | (08:43:58) Gijs: I mean, ofcourse i can transfer data from between the server |
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| 06:49.29 | Bushmills | if you can, creating an intermediate copy is much more work |
| 06:49.38 | quuxman | gnugr: that's crazy: cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb? How could that possibly work? :-P |
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| 06:50.22 | Bushmills | well. some more. not really much more |
| 06:50.56 | daemon | if I have two versions of python installed aon a system |
| 06:51.03 | daemon | how do I set which version is the default |
| 06:52.04 | Bushmills | daemon: python is a symlink in /usr/bin to the version of the python interpreter which you want to run |
| 06:52.10 | daemon | ok |
| 06:52.39 | quuxman | daemon: rm /usr/bin/python; ln -s /usr/bin/python2.6 /usr/bin/ |
| 06:53.00 | daemon | ;) yep on it now thank you |
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| 06:55.01 | gnugr | quuxman: usb stick gets auto name as " sbx ", its says " cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX ", this is to prepare a disk only |
| 06:56.04 | daemon | is there anyway to tell dpkg that if its asked to install aything that uses python26 as a dep to ignore that and use python2.7 instead |
| 06:56.27 | daemon | namely mercurial |
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| 07:00.57 | freaky[t] | hm, does anyone know of any alternative to google docs which i can host on my own server? |
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| 07:01.58 | quuxman | daemon: if it can really use 2.7, it should have python >=2.6 as a dependency |
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| 07:02.39 | quuxman | actually, I guess python2.6 and python2.7 are separate packages, not versions |
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| 07:04.00 | daemon | quuxman, its ok my team use GIT anyway; I will just ditch mercurial |
| 07:04.22 | quuxman | I'm still figuring out how to use git |
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| 07:07.07 | Bushmills | freaky[t]: which aspect of it? |
| 07:07.13 | daemon | quuxman, me too :) I am the team lead and the only one who needs to learn it |
| 07:07.18 | freaky[t] | Bushmills realtime colaboration |
| 07:07.22 | daemon | quuxman, I am used to tar -xzvf and stick a timestamp on the end |
| 07:07.22 | freaky[t] | of documents |
| 07:07.26 | daemon | -czvf even |
| 07:07.47 | Bushmills | freaky[t]: text files? or formatted word processor documents? |
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| 07:07.59 | freaky[t] | text files could be enough |
| 07:08.12 | Bushmills | freaky[t]: gobby is nice for collaborative editing |
| 07:08.24 | Bushmills | i.e. sobby on server, gobby or other clients on client |
| 07:08.32 | freaky[t] | Bushmills ok thank you ill have a look at it wait |
| 07:10.02 | Gijs | When i try to backup with tar.gz |
| 07:10.10 | Gijs | i get an message at the end: "gzip: stdout: No space left on device" |
| 07:10.27 | daemon | Gijs, I would say thats pretty self explanatory |
| 07:10.36 | Bushmills | "No space left on device" is clearly an indication that your CPU has a problem |
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| 07:10.45 | daemon | Bushmills, haha |
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| 07:11.14 | quuxman | daemon: I've been previously using `ssh server mv project project.2011-04-15; scp -r project server:` |
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| 07:11.42 | daemon | quuxman, similiar I use he tar version of the same command |
| 07:11.48 | daemon | s/he/tar/ |
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| 07:13.37 | ompaul | moin |
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| 07:14.26 | quuxman | wow that's crazy: `cat debian-6.0.1a-i386-netinst.iso > /dev/sdb`. Now I have a bootable USB drive! :) |
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| 07:14.39 | quuxman | In some ways Debian kicks ass over Ubuntu |
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| 07:15.23 | gnugr | quuxman: kicks grub2 too? |
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| 07:16.34 | freaky[t] | Bushmills is there also any alternative to sobby/gobby because debian doesnt have any init scripts yet for sobby etc. ;( |
| 07:17.53 | Bushmills | freaky[t]: /etc/init.d/sobby |
| 07:17.58 | Bushmills | (from stable) |
| 07:18.06 | freaky[t] | i run lenny |
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| 07:19.28 | Bushmills | well, run a screen or tmux session, start sobby in there. or sobby &. or take init.d template, and fill it in to accommodate sobby starting |
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| 07:21.42 | quuxman | gnugr: can you use grub2 to make a bootable usb drive? |
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| 07:22.55 | ompaul | freaky[t]: you can start gobby on the server (I first used it in 06) as a stand alone thing - what I found back then was that people needed to be running the same versions but that may have *cough* stabilised |
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| 07:23.55 | freaky[t] | hm, is there any alternative to gobby/sobby which is a bit more advanced? |
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| 07:24.07 | ompaul | freaky[t]: ehh irc |
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| 07:24.10 | gnugr | quuxman: i use 2 distros on my PC , Debian-squeeze and ubuntu 10.04, always ubuntu's grub gets over Debian's, that means ubuntu distro must be installed last. |
| 07:24.18 | Bushmills | actually, new version seems to be xmpp based, and changed protocol. i'm still running the older version though |
| 07:24.47 | freaky[t] | no i need a text editor |
| 07:24.55 | freaky[t] | and i want to run the server myself |
| 07:25.30 | ompaul | freaky[t]: no go find a proprietary package that does the same - you won't find one so - advanced go get yourself deving or make vm and put squeeze in there |
| 07:25.54 | Bushmills | multi head vnc :) |
| 07:25.58 | kgoetz | any thoughts on aufs vs unionfs? i'm going to use it for chroot overlays |
| 07:26.05 | ompaul | wonders where the -s came from and looks at his hands with hatred and ire ;-) |
| 07:26.18 | kgoetz | ompaul: ireland, or just ire? ;) |
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| 07:27.02 | ompaul | kgoetz: ire ;-) wrt file systems I'd be looking at bug reports on both of those to advise me |
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| 07:28.44 | kgoetz | ompaul: fair thought. |
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| 07:29.34 | ompaul | kgoetz: I see Michael Niederle when faced with that question in the same case as yourself uses aufs and squashfs |
| 07:29.47 | quuxman | ok, I have broken packages, and when I run `apt-get -f install` apt goes to install packages I don't want. How do I find the packages that are causing these to be installed? |
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| 07:30.54 | kgoetz | ompaul: i've worked with the aufs maintainer before in debian, so i might go with it based on that |
| 07:30.56 | Bushmills | quuxman: aptitude why .... may help. or apt-cache rdepends |
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| 07:31.06 | ompaul | quuxman: the price for installing a package is its deps, apt-get rdepends |
| 07:31.17 | ompaul | quuxman: see Bushmills he is more awake |
| 07:31.23 | ompaul | stops |
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| 07:32.09 | Bushmills | ompaul: i'm in a TZ one hour ahead |
| 07:32.21 | ompaul | Bushmills: and answering correctly ;-) |
| 07:33.17 | ompaul | wonders what part of my brain is gone faulty this morning, apt-get rdepends only works in the 42nd universe below the the one two to the left |
| 07:33.27 | quuxman | ok, how do I chroot to a system while preserving /dev, /proc, and /sys? |
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| 07:33.34 | Bushmills | the part craving for caffeine |
| 07:33.54 | Bushmills | quuxman: mount --bind them after you chrooted |
| 07:33.54 | ompaul | Bushmills: you could be right, hmm I'll go patch that |
| 07:34.03 | Bushmills | no. after you mounted the chrootable volume |
| 07:34.14 | Bushmills | i.e. before you chroot |
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| 07:38.25 | ompaul | cat /dev/coffee > /dev/mug |
| 07:38.41 | kgoetz | ompaul: shouldn'[t you use a pipe? |
| 07:39.02 | ompaul | kgoetz: shhh the mug does not know that # |
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| 07:39.15 | kgoetz | hehe |
| 07:39.19 | Bushmills | tra a pie instead |
| 07:39.21 | Bushmills | try |
| 07:39.28 | kgoetz | on quuxman 's question, perhaps schroot would help him |
| 07:39.31 | kgoetz | ? |
| 07:39.42 | prince_jammys | can't drink out of a pipe |
| 07:40.25 | RichiH | i am feeling really stupid, but i seem to be unable to prevent udev & base-files from being upgraded. dist-upgrade wants to install them even though i have various combinations of http://paste.debian.net/114198/ |
| 07:40.40 | RichiH | .... |
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| 07:44.24 | ompaul | packages:Pin: version 3.6.5-1 |
| 07:44.25 | ompaul | packages:Pin-Priority: 1001 |
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| 07:44.40 | ompaul | RichiH: ^^ something I never want moved |
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| 07:45.33 | ompaul | RichiH: the other line in there Package: request-tracker3.6 |
| 07:47.04 | ansgar | ompaul: Why do you pin rt to an old version? There were several security updates since then... |
| 07:47.32 | ompaul | ansgar: where it sits it is on a very private lan for only a couple of us |
| 07:48.04 | ompaul | ansgar: or to quote a very well known pop song "can't touch this" |
| 07:48.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i have been trying to use logwatch.. to monitor my servers and I think i should use somethign else this ting is like a squid lurking the depths of my servers.. all of these config files, services being uninstalled and reinstalled removes them from being watched etc.. is there anything else out there I can use that can monitor my log and email the synopsis? |
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| 07:49.25 | ompaul | ansgar: that will get upgraded on the week that I replace that boxes current os version with a complete take down and reinstall (which will be fun :-) in a year or two) |
| 07:51.18 | dutchfish | Eryn_1983_FL, it depends a bit what you want, i myself dont want logs sended because i can check that on the console already; however i want only get informed when a machine gets in trouble or is getting out of resources, for that i use munin or nagios or both. In nagois you can even write your own plugins easely for any purpose that has to be monitored. |
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| 07:51.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | hmm |
| 07:52.18 | dutchfish | Eryn_1983_FL, bit solution don't consume much resources, thats important to |
| 07:52.26 | dutchfish | s/bit/both |
| 07:52.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | i got them both installed. i guess i should look into what they got for log files. I am mostly wanting to monitor fail2ban and sftp logins. and the temperature of my drives. |
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| 07:53.20 | Squirm | hey |
| 07:53.48 | dutchfish | Eryn_1983_FL, i think for that the console does its job, dont mail instant logins as log, that might contain in itself a security hole. |
| 07:53.56 | Bushmills | Eryn_1983_FL: those things i use munin for. it graphs them, and sends alerts when outside limits |
| 07:54.08 | dutchfish | Bushmills, ;) |
| 07:54.15 | Squirm | has anyone else here had a problem installing squeeze with the automated partitioner? It brings up an error when it tries to format to ext2,3 and 4 |
| 07:54.22 | Bushmills | though it doesn't send you extracts from log files |
| 07:54.23 | Squirm | (havent tried the others) |
| 07:54.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 07:55.03 | dutchfish | Eryn_1983_FL, you can however config rsyslog to log in a centrlized fashion for ease of use. |
| 07:55.07 | Bushmills | idea is: if there's something strange enough to send an alert, i'll check up on log files myself |
| 07:55.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | well something on a webpage would be fine too so it dosnt have to be emailed to me |
| 07:55.32 | ompaul | Squirm: do you mean with the "do the work for me, choose sizes etc" mr squeeze? |
| 07:55.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah still infancy with rsyslog here. |
| 07:55.38 | dutchfish | Bushmills, exactly |
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| 07:55.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | lots of stuff to play with |
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| 07:56.33 | Squirm | ompaul: yes, though I also tried manually creating the partition tables(all in the GUI interface though) |
| 07:56.36 | ompaul | Squirm: no, and we don't see people with that problem or the channel would be overflowing with complaints such as that, what was your error message |
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| 07:57.38 | dutchfish | Eryn_1983_FL, but, whatever you do, consider mail 'unsafe', it could even be routed over the whole world. |
| 07:57.52 | Squirm | > > "[!!] Partition disks |
| 07:57.53 | Squirm | > > Failed to create a file system |
| 07:57.53 | Squirm | > > The ext3 file system creation in partition #2 of <harddrive here> |
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| 07:57.59 | Squirm | @ ompaul |
| 07:58.40 | ompaul | Squirm: try it without the gui |
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| 08:00.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | gotcha dutchfish |
| 08:00.20 | Squirm | ompaul: I'll try. Does the same with the mini.iso and the netinst iso |
| 08:00.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | dutchfish: what about putting rsyslog data in a database like mysql? |
| 08:00.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | necessary? |
| 08:00.48 | ompaul | Squirm: well then maybe there is a problem with the drive, try to format it using a live cd and working from there |
| 08:00.52 | dutchfish | Eryn_1983_FL, postgres is what i use |
| 08:01.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
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| 08:01.06 | ompaul | Squirm: I'm off away for some hours |
| 08:01.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | i heard postgres > mysql |
| 08:01.23 | Squirm | ompaul: thanks though, enjoy |
| 08:01.35 | ompaul | I intend to |
| 08:02.28 | dutchfish | Eryn_1983_FL, well, i won't start a db flan, but i use postgres when it boils down to reliabilty and deep detailed reporting out of the data is needed, for lamp i use sometimes mysql and others as well, for logging postgres is the king. |
| 08:03.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 08:03.28 | simonlnu | postgres is da tha bomb |
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| 08:05.10 | RichiH | ompaul: i tried with the explicit version, as well |
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| 08:06.01 | ompaul | RichiH: ooch, that worked for me so I was hoping it would be ok |
| 08:06.22 | ompaul | RichiH: I'm off out now gone for the usual few hours Saturday |
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| 08:07.55 | RichiH | ompaul: i ended up using =udev =base-files manually |
| 08:08.00 | RichiH | that works |
| 08:08.09 | RichiH | still, i don't get why nothing else did |
| 08:10.44 | ompaul | RichiH: I'll look at that later gtg |
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| 08:23.29 | spal | does readline maintain a separate database of previous typed lines for each command? |
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| 08:32.18 | mtx_init | spal: not to my knowledge, that would be a lot of lines |
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| 08:32.40 | caution | What's the equivalent of /usr/local/ssl? That path doesn't exist. I have openssl. |
| 08:33.12 | spal | caution, /usr/bin/ssl ? just guessing. |
| 08:33.41 | mtx_init | ssl stuff is in /etc/ssl |
| 08:33.58 | mtx_init | or usr/lib/ssl |
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| 08:34.54 | jrz | ehhhrr is it true that this doesn't delete your data: http://raftaman.net/?p=228 |
| 08:35.00 | Bushmills | caution: what is your /usr/local/ssl for? we need to know before we ca tell you equivalent |
| 08:35.33 | caution | I'm trying to compile python, it's defined in one of the config files |
| 08:36.31 | Bushmills | probably not in debian sources |
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| 08:36.50 | Bushmills | where are those python sources from? |
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| 08:37.15 | caution | python.org |
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| 08:38.21 | Bushmills | then they should know what to expect in /usr/local/ssl |
| 08:38.57 | caution | -I$(SSL)/include -I$(SSL)/include/openssl -L$(SSL)/lib |
| 08:39.02 | caution | it's looking for those subdirectories |
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| 08:41.28 | Bushmills | libssl-dev - install that, and do dpkg -L libssl-dev. see whether those match what you're looking for |
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| 08:42.41 | Bushmills | path apex with that would be /usr instead of /usr/local/ssl |
| 08:43.00 | caution | I thought that, seems strange though |
| 08:43.45 | Bushmills | symlinking /usr/local/ssl to /usr may - or may not be - sufficient |
| 08:44.45 | caution | thanks for your help, I'm trying a build with /usr |
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| 08:45.37 | jelly-home | *blink* |
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| 08:46.06 | jelly-home | caution: building stuff from source and installing with prefix /usr is NOT a good idea |
| 08:46.14 | caution | I agree |
| 08:46.53 | Bushmills | those be debian dev. just massaging the path in the config files |
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| 08:49.02 | caution | it worked, excellent |
| 08:50.34 | caution | is there a better way than "exec bash" to reload the shell? |
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| 08:52.00 | jrz | What does this mean: Partition 1 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?)phys=(0, 32, 33) logical=(0, 56, 33) |
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| 08:52.09 | jrz | + a similar msg for endings |
| 08:52.22 | jrz | (bootable usb, ext4) |
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| 08:56.37 | cristi8 | hi, i am running squeeze and i want to setup a vpn server so i can secure my phone's internet traffic on unencrypted wireless networks. What package is good for this? i would like it to be simple to use/config. my phone supports the following types of VPN: PPTP, L2TP, L2TP/IPSec PSK, L2TP/IPSec CRT |
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| 09:02.42 | ignotusp | hi, how to convert git repository to mercurial with this extension ( http://packages.debian.org/ru/sid/mercurial-git ) ? |
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| 09:03.37 | ignotusp | Should I add something to ~/.hgrc ? |
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| 09:05.40 | ansgar | ignotusp: Did you read the included documentation? |
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| 09:09.13 | ignotusp | ansgar, I have read the documentation on their site http://hg-git.github.com/ . I have added the line "hggit = " into ~/.hgrc, but hg says: "*** failed to import extension hggit: No module named hggit" |
| 09:10.50 | ansgar | ignotusp: Try README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/mercurial-git |
| 09:11.53 | ignotusp | ansgar, oh, thanks :) |
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| 09:17.26 | jrz | Would dd be the right tool to make a backup image of my root parition? |
| 09:17.33 | jrz | Or should I use something else? |
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| 09:17.52 | gnarface | dd would be thorough... |
| 09:18.00 | jrz | thx |
| 09:18.06 | gnarface | people often use tar though because it doesn't back up empty space |
| 09:18.28 | gnarface | kinda depends on your purposes |
| 09:18.53 | babilen | jrz: partimage is certainly worth a look too |
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| 09:19.35 | jrz | I have a 4gb usb disk for my home media player, but it was partitioned 3.5gb + 0.5gb swap.. and I want to extend the partition.. |
| 09:19.45 | jrz | babilen: ah thx.. I'll check that out too |
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| 09:20.27 | Enverex | I'm unable to get sound through HDMI when using the FGLRX drivers. Unfortunately all guides regarding this are A) Not for debian and B) all very out of date. Does anyone have any recent information on getting this to work? |
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| 09:37.30 | ectospasm | hmmm... is chromium-browser in squeeze supposed to be that far behind? I would have expected a version closer to 10 or 11, not 6. Is this because debian has "frozen" the version in squeeze? |
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| 09:38.59 | babilen | ectospasm: IIRC chromium 10 has just been uploaded to sid |
| 09:39.14 | Bushmills | ,versions chromium-browser |
| 09:39.15 | judd | Package chromium-browser on i386 -- squeeze: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze4; squeeze-security: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze4; wheezy: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze4; sid: 10.0.648.205~r81283-1 |
| 09:39.17 | ectospasm | babilen: Ah, sid != squeeze |
| 09:39.29 | Arrowmaster | !stable |
| 09:39.29 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
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| 09:40.32 | spcck | dkms, build-tools (compiler, essentials, headers, etc) uses more than 70 MB on my installation because i had to compile an NVidia module for my kernel....last time i tried to remove, something uninstalled my freshly compiled module too....how and what can i remove of these packages, because i need the space by several reasons. |
| 09:40.36 | spcck | ? |
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| 09:41.37 | ectospasm | spcck: maybe build the modules you need on a separate system, and copy them to your target? |
| 09:42.14 | Arrowmaster | spcck: you can use module-assistant instead of dkms and then remove all of those packages |
| 09:42.48 | Arrowmaster | but youll have to reinstall them all when you need to rebuild the module because of an update |
| 09:43.12 | spcck | so if i copy the module to a pendrive, then i pull out that, then i remove all the stuff and i copy back the things, then it will work as a standalone module? |
| 09:43.28 | ectospasm | !unstable |
| 09:43.28 | dpkg | [unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 09:44.01 | ectospasm | !tell ectospasm about sid faq |
| 09:44.34 | Arrowmaster | !tell ectospasm about selftell |
| 09:44.47 | babilen | !tell ectospasm -about ssb |
| 09:44.57 | spcck | another...how can i make an iptables ruleset permanent if those are in a script and i have to run all time when i connecting? i mean i wanna activate that ruleset at boot |
| 09:45.38 | Arrowmaster | theres an iptables-persistent package but im not sure if that automatically does it or just provides tools to help do it |
| 09:45.38 | babilen | ectospasm: (if you want to compile chromium for squeeze) -- not sure how easy that is as I am not sure about its dependencies. |
| 09:45.49 | cristi8 | hmm, i found a broken link: |
| 09:45.51 | cristi8 | !release history |
| 09:45.51 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06). The next release will be Wheezy. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparc |
| 09:45.52 | spcck | and does anyone knows something about how can i have a supported official realtime-enabled kernel? |
| 09:45.53 | Bushmills | spcck: load them, for example, from an up action in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 09:48.05 | streuner | dpkg, no sid faq is <reply> http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (mirror); it doesn't hurt if you read the FAQ, even if you are using testing/Wheezy... http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/08/msg00041.html, or <sid upgrade test> |
| 09:48.05 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
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| 09:49.03 | quup | which debian is best for a desktop system? stab/testing/unstable? |
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| 09:49.12 | Bushmills | define "best" |
| 09:49.13 | casts | stable |
| 09:49.20 | quup | Bushmills: crashes least, most stuff works. |
| 09:49.33 | Bushmills | stable |
| 09:49.39 | quup | ok :) |
| 09:49.50 | quup | is mp3 support and all that in normal repositories? |
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| 09:50.03 | casts | yes |
| 09:50.04 | Bushmills | mostly. consider to add debian-multimedia |
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| 09:50.44 | quup | is there some package similar to ubuntu-restricted-extras to get all that stuff for me so I don't have to hunt down each package? |
| 09:50.57 | casts | what kind of stuff |
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| 09:51.15 | quup | mp3 support, java, flash, all that kind of stuff you need on a desktop |
| 09:51.16 | Bushmills | don't assime that people here know what "ubuntu-restricted-extras" contains |
| 09:51.20 | Bushmills | assume |
| 09:51.31 | casts | flash sucks, but java and mp3 are fine |
| 09:51.39 | quup | yes it sucks, but I still need it |
| 09:51.58 | quup | is sun/oracle java in repos? |
| 09:52.08 | casts | hah. given you don't need a computer i'm surprised how you can need one shithouse browser plugin :P |
| 09:52.15 | Bushmills | no. there may be free downloaders and installers for restricted stuff in non-restricted repository though |
| 09:52.34 | quup | oh i see |
| 09:53.11 | spcck | Bushmills, can i put the script into the /etc/network/if-pre-up.d? |
| 09:53.20 | quup | is there some big debian based desktop oriented distro besides ubuntu(+derivatives)? |
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| 09:53.37 | dawud | quup: knoppix is one of them |
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| 09:53.52 | quup | dawud: ok, I'll look at that |
| 09:53.55 | casts | wikipedia will probably have a debian derived list somewhere |
| 09:53.56 | Bushmills | spcck: you can. though some prefer up in interfaces, as you can more easily control for which interface the script will run |
| 09:54.05 | kgoetz | there is also debian :p |
| 09:54.06 | quup | casts: yea, but half will probably be outdated or pretty shit |
| 09:54.24 | Bushmills | you can do that too in if-up.d but need a test in the script then |
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| 09:54.40 | quup | is squeeze stable? |
| 09:54.48 | spcck | Bushmills, it would be the default fw ruleset for all of the if-s |
| 09:55.21 | dawud | quup: squeeze is _the_ stable debian release as of now |
| 09:56.14 | quup | dawud: that's what I ment to ask :) thanks |
| 09:56.35 | quup | in the iso I'm downloading it's called 6.0.1a is that a for alpha or is it just some letter? |
| 09:56.44 | quup | just so I don't download the wrong stuff |
| 09:57.03 | Bushmills | spcck: i'd suggest to add st. like date >> /tmp/fw-up to the script, and verify that it is executed just as often and when you want it |
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| 09:57.36 | dawud | quup: that's the current release |
| 09:57.42 | quup | dawud: perfect |
| 09:57.45 | quup | thanks everyone! |
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| 10:00.49 | spcck | script is surely works, i pulling in from cli, thanks. |
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| 10:03.26 | spcck | peeps, there is a problem, nvidia-glx driver depends on the nvidia-kernel, and nvidia-kernel-legacy-dkms contains this kernel so i have to keep 118 MB just to my gefoce |
| 10:03.29 | spcck | sad |
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| 10:03.48 | spcck | im on a 2gb pendrive :( |
| 10:04.31 | ectospasm | I'd think it'd be difficult to get a full-fledged desktop out of so little space. |
| 10:05.02 | spcck | not really |
| 10:05.18 | erAbuelo | buenos dias |
| 10:05.24 | alkisg | There's also btrfs + compression :) |
| 10:05.33 | spcck | i can make an deb 6 + gnome setup under 800 MB |
| 10:05.55 | spcck | + chrome 100MB + libreoffice 400 MB |
| 10:06.16 | spcck | IM client 100MB |
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| 10:09.42 | spcck | can i mount the /var/lock and the /var/log in a ramdrive as i did with my /tmp? |
| 10:10.05 | ectospasm | spcck: probably so, I can't think of why it wouldn't work. |
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| 10:11.00 | Bushmills | spcck: /var/log possible, but some services will complain during boot or logrotate that their subdirectories aren't accessible. |
| 10:11.39 | Bushmills | you need to create them on RAM disk during boot, or change configs (log file location) to not get written into subdirs which are assumed to exist |
| 10:11.39 | spcck | i just wanna reduce the writing cicles |
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| 10:12.11 | spcck | Bushmills could you help me how can i do that? |
| 10:12.52 | Bushmills | spcck: i prefer to stick with "what", not with "how" |
| 10:13.19 | Bushmills | the "how" usually involves fiddling with files and man pages |
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| 10:14.00 | ectospasm | spcck: unless you're generating copious logs, you probably won't eke that much more space by putting those into a ramdisk |
| 10:14.05 | Bushmills | you have better control over what services you have installed which need change of config |
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| 10:15.00 | Bushmills | alternatively, execute during boot a script which simply creates those directories |
| 10:15.09 | spcck | ectospasm, ok, but i wanna reduse the pendrive's writing circles, so i wouldnt use the cells to write |
| 10:15.16 | Bushmills | again, you know better than i what dirs under /var/log your installed programs need |
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| 10:16.25 | ectospasm | spcck: you could mount the thumbdrive with noatime, that will reduce them considerably |
| 10:16.32 | spcck | i mean, the overall lifetime of the pendrive will be more if im not writing that much times |
| 10:16.42 | spcck | im using noatime already |
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| 10:18.57 | Bushmills | there's also nodiratime |
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| 10:20.44 | spcck | setted in |
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| 10:22.18 | spcck | so, ill find in the scripts under the /etc/rcX.d dirs where and when they create the logfiles? |
| 10:22.38 | empiric | guy i am doing dns on debina lenny and use forwarder to my ISP dns for all externel quries |
| 10:22.41 | empiric | Apr 16 15:17:52 hades named[5330]: client 10.66.4.2#49298: query (cache) 'update.fortiguard.net/A/IN' denied |
| 10:22.45 | empiric | what this error mean |
| 10:22.49 | empiric | can any one help |
| 10:22.55 | empiric | i am stuck for last 3 hrs in it |
| 10:23.01 | empiric | localy dns is working fine |
| 10:23.56 | babilen | empiric: why don't you try #bind ? |
| 10:24.09 | empiric | no one is answering |
| 10:24.13 | empiric | if here any one know |
| 10:24.22 | empiric | i think i am missing some minor thing |
| 10:25.18 | ectospasm | empiric: go to #bind, ask, and wait. Lurk if you have to |
| 10:25.21 | Bushmills | empiric: "denied" usually means "denied" |
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| 10:26.12 | m3asmi | postfix/postfix-script: fatal: the Postfix mail system is not running |
| 10:26.52 | ectospasm | m3asmi: can you start postfix, or does it give some error? |
| 10:27.01 | empiric | i know denied is denied |
| 10:27.03 | empiric | byt wwhy |
| 10:27.14 | empiric | what switch should undo this |
| 10:27.22 | Bushmills | because the machine which received the request refused to honour it |
| 10:27.40 | m3asmi | ectospasm: * Starting Postfix Mail Transport Agent postfix [ OK ] |
| 10:28.04 | ectospasm | m3asmi: is postfix now running? |
| 10:28.27 | m3asmi | how can I know ? |
| 10:28.53 | ectospasm | m3asmi: I don't know, I just blew away my (Ubuntu) machine that ran postfix |
| 10:29.02 | ectospasm | wait, I can check on it at home. one moment. |
| 10:29.22 | spcck | ps aux |grep postfix? |
| 10:29.24 | m3asmi | ectospasm:take you're time |
| 10:29.39 | ectospasm | m3asmi: "ps -ef | grep postfix" |
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| 10:31.01 | spcck | empiric, from when did your dns server works? |
| 10:31.23 | spcck | i mean it worked for ages then this error came up? |
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| 10:31.55 | spcck | is this a business line or a home subscription? |
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| 10:32.21 | spcck | fix IP or dynamic? |
| 10:32.50 | m3asmi | no it's not runing !! |
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| 10:34.00 | spcck | m3asmi you have configuration error somewhere? spamasassin? any subsystem? |
| 10:34.41 | m3asmi | spcck: I don't understand ! |
| 10:34.58 | m3asmi | what do you mean |
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| 10:36.21 | empiric | spcck it work for local quries internal network |
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| 10:36.45 | empiric | i use same dns for my internet my dns just forward it to my isp dns |
| 10:37.09 | ectospasm | m3asmi: check the postfix log, it may have clues |
| 10:37.14 | empiric | yes it was working on debain etch i just switch to lenny |
| 10:37.24 | empiric | all is working my emials , ldap , kerberos |
| 10:37.32 | empiric | only dns errors |
| 10:37.39 | empiric | fix ips |
| 10:37.41 | empiric | all are fix |
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| 10:39.29 | wayne | i need help with my printer |
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| 10:40.26 | wayne | i am unable to install the dx5050 on debian squeeze |
| 10:40.34 | spcck | m3asmi, you have to check your logs "cat /var/log/syslog |grep postfix" or kinda |
| 10:41.08 | spcck | or in dmesg |
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| 10:41.23 | spcck | "cat /var/log/dmesg |grep postfix" |
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| 10:41.32 | Bushmills | eek |
| 10:41.35 | m3asmi | Apr 16 11:33:11 netbook postfix/master[16800]: fatal: bind 0.0.0.0 port 25: Address already in use |
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| 10:41.51 | spcck | erm... |
| 10:41.58 | Bushmills | grep accepts file name argument perfectly well |
| 10:42.04 | ectospasm | m3asmi: what process has bound port 25? Check "netstat -altpn" |
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| 10:42.15 | ectospasm | ...you'll need to be root/superuser to run that. |
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| 10:42.35 | spcck | or change the bind addr to local |
| 10:42.42 | spcck | 127.0.0.1? |
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| 10:43.08 | m3asmi | LISTEN |
| 10:43.12 | m3asmi | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 10:43.22 | spcck | or use the interface alias, or whatever |
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| 10:44.11 | ectospasm | m3asmi: if you're root the far-right column should tell you the process that is listening on that port. |
| 10:44.37 | ectospasm | spcck: listening to 0.0.0.0 includes loopback |
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| 10:47.39 | m3asmi | ectospasm: what do you mean |
| 10:48.07 | spcck | ecto, it didnt give PID to he |
| 10:48.30 | spcck | "tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN -!!!" |
| 10:49.10 | spcck | think, we need all of the command output |
| 10:49.23 | ectospasm | m3asmi: the -p option to netstat will give you the PID and process name listening on each port, but only if you're root |
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| 10:50.11 | dawud | wayne: what did you try? |
| 10:50.55 | m3asmi | ectospasm:sudo netstat -altpn|grep 25 |
| 10:50.56 | m3asmi | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 14842/sendmail: MTA |
| 10:50.56 | m3asmi | tcp 0 0 41.92.117.72:36589 74.125.43.19:443 ESTABLISHED 14976/flock-bin |
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| 10:51.07 | wayne | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:51.08 | spcck | lol |
| 10:51.26 | wayne | it is connected via usb |
| 10:51.38 | ectospasm | m3asmi: looks like sendmail is using that port. |
| 10:51.41 | dawud | wayne: does lsusb list it? |
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| 10:51.49 | ectospasm | ...although sendmail might be an alias for postfix |
| 10:51.54 | wayne | mom |
| 10:51.54 | m3asmi | yes |
| 10:52.12 | spcck | i wanted to ask, some childprocess migth be using it already |
| 10:52.19 | wayne | yes it is listed |
| 10:52.50 | m3asmi | ectospasm: could I remove sendmail and using postfix |
| 10:52.55 | ectospasm | m3asmi: try "dpkg -S $(which sendmail)" |
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| 10:53.18 | wayne | dawud it says :Bus 001 Device 003: ID 04b8:082b Seiko Epson Corp. Stylus DX5050 |
| 10:53.53 | m3asmi | ectospasm:postfix: /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 10:54.48 | ectospasm | so sendmail is simply an alias for postfix. |
| 10:54.51 | dawud | wayne: have you already tried http://localhost:631 to add the printer? |
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| 10:55.26 | wayne | dawud yeah but i can not add a printer |
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| 10:55.59 | m3asmi | ectospasm:yes ! |
| 10:56.16 | wayne | dawud it says :Unable to add printer: |
| 10:56.23 | wayne | forbidden |
| 10:56.46 | dawud | wayne: then you need to use the user with admin rights in CUPS |
| 10:57.11 | dawud | wayne: https:localhost:631 |
| 10:57.23 | MeglaW | !tell meglaw about cups |
| 10:57.44 | wayne | dawud i used the user and my pw of the debian installation was it wrong |
| 10:57.56 | ectospasm | !tell MeglaW about selftell |
| 10:58.22 | MeglaW | thx ectospasm |
| 10:58.43 | mbalmeida | Hello, I'm trying to compile gnome-shell and I solved everything but a linking error. I'm using Debian 6.0.1 and libmutter.so does NOT export meta_screen_get_startup_sequences. I've already checked with objdump/nm. Did anyone have the same problem? |
| 10:58.46 | ectospasm | MeglaW: no problem, I got told that just a few hours ago. |
| 10:58.51 | dawud | wayne: just go to https://localhost:631 and login |
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| 10:59.02 | MeglaW | i love the explonations dpkg gives, whomever wrote them <3 |
| 11:00.17 | m3asmi | ectospasm: do you have any aidea to fix it ? |
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| 11:00.30 | wayne | still verbidden |
| 11:00.40 | wayne | forbidden |
| 11:00.42 | ectospasm | m3asmi: nope, haven't used postfix in Debian yet. |
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| 11:01.02 | blackshirt | hello |
| 11:01.10 | m3asmi | ectospasm:thinks for you're time ;) |
| 11:01.14 | ectospasm | wayne: does netstat -altn report that you're listening on port 631? |
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| 11:02.11 | wayne | oh i ve to be root |
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| 11:02.45 | blackshirt | :-D:) |
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| 11:04.41 | wayne | shoult i use with openprinting |
| 11:05.23 | wayne | theres only the dx4850 but i think this is ok |
| 11:05.46 | wayne | i ve read a lot in some threads |
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| 11:07.19 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 11:07.26 | wayne | my printer prints now |
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| 11:07.34 | wayne | dawud thanks |
| 11:07.45 | ectospasm | wayne: congrats. I never have fun dealing with printers. |
| 11:07.58 | ZenWalker | with nouveau driver, the kde application son my gnome desktop are bigger than without nouveau |
| 11:08.16 | ZenWalker | *the kde aplications on my gnome ... |
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| 11:10.39 | ectospasm | ZenWalker: define "bigger" |
| 11:11.00 | ectospasm | disclaimer: I don't use KDE |
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| 11:11.10 | ZenWalker | (I am spanish xD) bigger, the windows, icons .... |
| 11:11.36 | ectospasm | ZenWalker: so the icons and windows appear larger, not that they take up more RAM or disk space...? |
| 11:11.42 | ZenWalker | I use gnome, but with some kde aplications |
| 11:11.58 | ectospasm | I can't help there, I don't use KDE (and only GNOME sparingly) |
| 11:11.59 | quup | I see there is no debian package on nvidias page for the cuda toolkit, anyone know recommended way to install it in squeeze? |
| 11:11.59 | ZenWalker | 4 Gb RAM |
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| 11:12.10 | ectospasm | quup: try in #debian (-; |
| 11:12.22 | ectospasm | oh, this is #debian |
| 11:12.24 | ectospasm | dur |
| 11:12.26 | ectospasm | it's late |
| 11:12.48 | quup | ectospasm: brain hurt |
| 11:12.51 | quup | :D |
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| 11:13.09 | ectospasm | quup: very much so, yes (-; |
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| 11:15.25 | Big_Aziz | hello people |
| 11:16.01 | tdn | Is there a tool that can run 'file' on every target file (or dir recursively) and then rename files so they get proper file extensions? Like .jpeg if it is image/jpeg, .pdf if it is application/pdf, and so on? |
| 11:16.43 | ectospasm | tdn: a shell script can do that |
| 11:16.47 | quup | tdn: hm, I remember having to fix an application that did that once a few years ago, so it exists, at last :) |
| 11:16.54 | quup | *least |
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| 11:17.06 | quup | ectospasm: the mime-type -> extension is nontrivial |
| 11:17.08 | spal | any clue where rlwrap saves the readline history? |
| 11:17.30 | ectospasm | quup: I didn't say writing the shell script would be! (-; |
| 11:17.40 | quup | :P |
| 11:17.44 | ectospasm | er, wouldn't be (nontrivial) |
| 11:18.10 | jrz | Hmm. ok, so I followed http://raftaman.net/?p=228.. and now grub tells me unknown filesystem after the reboot |
| 11:18.24 | jrz | also: ls (hd0,1)/ tells me unknown filesystem. |
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| 11:18.48 | tdn | ectospasm, how would you do it with a shellscript? |
| 11:19.21 | quup | tdn: if you know all mimetypes you have you can just grab the last part of the mimetype, for instance something/XXXX you regex for the XXX in the file output, and then some simple conversion to map jpeg to jpg and so on |
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| 11:19.41 | ectospasm | tdn: first you need to cycle through your files/directories recursively |
| 11:19.44 | quup | tdn: I think that'd be the simplest way in cases where not too many different ones |
| 11:20.23 | ectospasm | tdn: then, run file on each one, and use the output to determine sane extension names. This latter part is the nontrivial part. |
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| 11:20.42 | quup | tdn: also you could grep in /etc/mime.types for the mimetype and then try to grab the first extension in the second column |
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| 11:21.31 | peet | hi |
| 11:21.46 | quup | tdn: some automated version of: grep image/jpeg /etc/mime.types | awk '{ print $2 }' (with error checking :p) |
| 11:23.15 | Riviera | You should not trust file output too much. |
| 11:23.28 | quup | tdn: http://docs.python.org/library/mimetypes.html#mimetypes.guess_all_extensions |
| 11:23.29 | ectospasm | especially if it returns "data" |
| 11:23.41 | peet | when i run some program i got some error with this message : symbol lookup error: /usr/lib32/libphonon.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN9QMetaType15registerTypedefEPKci |
| 11:24.06 | peet | any help |
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| 11:25.52 | tdn | Riviera, probably not, but if I do not have anything else to go with? What would you suggest instead of file? |
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| 11:26.04 | quup | tdn: http://pastebin.com/eg2Gxcpd |
| 11:26.30 | tdn | quup, thanks., |
| 11:26.46 | tdn | ectospasm, if it returns 'data' I will not touch the file name. |
| 11:26.47 | Raddsdsr | yo guys, just installed debian 5, but when i start it my monitor just goes "Input not supported", whats wrong? Does debian not support my graphics card's drivers from the stock kernel? |
| 11:27.20 | quup | tdn: guess_type can return None if it doesn't know, so check for that to |
| 11:27.29 | Raddsdsr | (ATi Radeon 4650 AGP) |
| 11:28.51 | Riviera | tdn: I do not really know the task. mime-types, for example, depend greatly on context. Sometimes data should be interpreted as textual data, sometimes the same should be interpreted as a script for a scripting language. |
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| 11:31.38 | ectospasm | Raddsdsr: sounds like your video modes are outside the range of your monitor. |
| 11:31.54 | ectospasm | Raddsdsr: does GRUB display OK? |
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| 11:33.21 | ectospasm | Raddsdsr: try removing any vga options from the kernel line if they're there. |
| 11:35.25 | peet | hi everyone i got some error with these message : symbol lookup error: /usr/lib32/libphonon.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN9QMetaType15registerTypedefEPKci |
| 11:35.30 | peet | help |
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| 11:37.16 | quup | what are the chances something will go wrong if I curently have squeeze stable and I pull nvidia cuda toolkit package from experimental? |
| 11:37.19 | quup | high/med/low? |
| 11:37.31 | quup | need that cuda :( |
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| 11:43.01 | quup | what's the name of the nvidia driver in the repos? |
| 11:43.27 | mohamed-ragab | i reserved massage "Your Linode, account, has exceeded the notification threshold (900) for disk io rate by averaging 1135.42 for the last 2 hours." , How can resolved this problem |
| 11:43.30 | mohamed-ragab | ? |
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| 11:44.33 | quup | should this be enough to get developer drivers + cuda support + opencl support: libcuda1 libcuda1-dev libnvidia-compiler nvidia-vdpau-driver nvidia-libopencl1 nvidia-libopencl1-dev nvidia-opencl-common nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-dev |
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| 11:58.42 | quup | how do I got from squeeze to testing? (testing is stabler than unstable right?) |
| 11:59.11 | quup | also, what gcc is used in testing? 4.3 or 4.4 or 4.5? |
| 11:59.46 | lvh | quup: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gcc |
| 11:59.51 | quup | lvh: I have no X |
| 11:59.57 | quup | and links2 is shit for browsing |
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| 12:01.14 | lvh | quup: That page has a bunch of <ul>s, try it. As far as websites go, it's pretty stupid-browser friendly. |
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| 12:04.39 | ompaul | RichiH: pm at this time ... |
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| 12:20.37 | Peanut | Ugh - I'm stuck mid-upgrade lenny->squeeze and apt-get is quite unhappy as /usr ran out of diskspace. I'm trying to remove openoffice, but apt-get complains about dependancies. |
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| 12:20.53 | Peanut | Any hints? :-) |
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| 12:22.56 | jelly-home | Peanut: remove it using dpkg. |
| 12:23.19 | Peanut | jelly-home: I've tried that, but then apt-get later on insists on bringing it back so the upgrade still is stuck in limbo. |
| 12:23.37 | jelly-home | Peanut: have you remove all of it? |
| 12:23.41 | jelly-home | d |
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| 12:27.59 | toolz | hi, I got an issue with one of my servers. after a while it gets mounted read only and I cannot reboot shutdown.. do anything.. |
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| 12:28.18 | toolz | I try: mount / -o remount,rw and I get: mount: block device /dev/sda1 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
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| 12:29.15 | toolz | this happens for a while with this machine, I thought it is the hard disk, I changed 3 brand new hdds in 1 month, wtf |
| 12:30.11 | Internat | howdy all, im wondering if someone can help me.. ive upgraded to squeeze and just realised that i cant mount my encrypted parittion whichi guess was made which cryptoloop. im not really sure how i go about changing it to the newly used dm-crypt.. any ideas? |
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| 12:39.50 | Raddsdsr | guys, i can access a terminal from my debian box, but if i try to startx or gdm it just shows 'input not supported' |
| 12:39.53 | Raddsdsr | how can i fix this? |
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| 12:54.56 | sor4you | hello room |
| 12:55.01 | sor4you | i am a new linux user |
| 12:55.15 | sor4you | and really need someone to orientate me if possible |
| 12:55.51 | sor4you | is anyone willing to help me out I have stuff to trade |
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| 12:58.15 | babilen | !reference |
| 12:58.16 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
| 12:58.19 | babilen | !grounding |
| 12:58.19 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on the <debian-user> mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <overview>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial> (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference). |
| 12:58.25 | babilen | !general cli tutorial |
| 12:58.25 | dpkg | http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/ or http://linuxcommand.org, http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/, http://tldp.org/LDP/GNU-Linux-Tools-Summary/html/index.html or http://bhami.com/rosetta.html |
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| 12:59.08 | babilen | sor4you: http://debiansystem.info/ + http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596009526/ |
| 12:59.17 | sor4you | what is that? |
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| 12:59.51 | babilen | sor4you: You can ask about the topics in "<...>" with: /msg dpkg TOPIC -- for example: /msg dpkg newbiedoc |
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| 13:00.10 | babilen | sor4you: That are links to relevant and good documentation. I hope you find it useful. |
| 13:00.21 | babilen | sor4you: Welcome to Debian btw :) |
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| 13:01.25 | sor4you | thank you but somehow i dont feel very welcome, i feel as if every room i go into and ask to speak to someone about basic things no one wants to backtrack and bring me up to speed |
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| 13:01.49 | sor4you | i have done a lot of reading and research you know and you finally get to the point where you just want to pick someones brain you know |
| 13:01.53 | sor4you | thats where im at |
| 13:02.18 | sor4you | like i have windows programs i cannot give up is there a way to start up windows inside of linux? |
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| 13:02.51 | sor4you | and im afraid all my hardware wont work with my laptop, whats the best distro for laptops? |
| 13:03.11 | sor4you | how do i learn all those source codes you guys know like for terminal and stuff |
| 13:03.22 | ajikeshi__ | gentoo and a lot of our own time |
| 13:03.58 | sor4you | and finally i want to do the cube and sphere on compiz get all those effects how do i go about that what type of laptop should i have to achieve that level of linux what do i need |
| 13:04.20 | ajikeshi__ | any with direct rendering should be fine |
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| 13:05.14 | epsilon | a lot of own time, all spent for compiling wait time |
| 13:05.44 | ajikeshi__ | and for changing configfiles to fit your laptop |
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| 13:06.08 | babilen | sor4you: It takes time, devotion and a good amount of reading. I would strongly recommend to read the debian reference and the "general cli tutorial" links. Let me find another very good introductory link for you. |
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| 13:06.55 | babilen | sor4you: It is also fine to pick someones brain, but we can't really give a complete "welcome to linux" course in here. There might be a linux user group in your city/area that organises events like that. |
| 13:07.09 | epsilon | sor4you: if you have programs you need in win & linux: use 2 PC/Laptop and run both |
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| 13:07.40 | babilen | sor4you: We can help you with specific problems, but a "explain linux to me" is just out of this channel's scope |
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| 13:09.42 | kelsoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:10.05 | thinksteve | sor4you: For your 'Windows in Linux' problem there are virtualization solutions like virtualbox, vmware, kvm, xen. |
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| 13:11.58 | daemonkeeper | One should note, this generally won't provide the ability to run eveything(TM) in a Windows virtual machine. Most notably games ... |
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| 13:16.22 | m3lvin | Hi, I'm having problems with after updating VirtualBox to 4.0.4 and trying to install the latest Debian stable (netinstall, cli), once I launch the installer at the hostname screen and any other text input area there my keys don't work, just the tab, space, arrow etc respond normally, I'm selecting the US layout with UK locale with an apple keyboard, has anyone had similar issues? |
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| 13:27.17 | Leoneof | hi, it's possible to know how old my Debian installation is? |
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| 13:34.04 | peturi | anyone here with a solid state disk SSD ? |
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| 13:36.10 | superlinux | hi. please however I read, I just can't understand the umask. I understand the normal permissions. so I need someone explain it to me. |
| 13:36.12 | ompaul | peturi: why not ask your real question? |
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| 13:37.22 | ompaul | superlinux: 777 = rwx ok it is the opposite of that (why no idea) but basically 000 would be the umask for that 022 is 755 |
| 13:38.06 | ompaul | peturi: I figure you already worked out max value (or minimum is 7/0) |
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| 13:38.33 | ompaul | superlinux: sorry 777 rwxrwxrwx and you should be able to work out the rest |
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| 13:39.40 | peturi | ompaul: Real question is: If anyone has a SSD it would be nice to see "hdparm -tT /dev/XYZ" from that drive |
| 13:40.10 | superlinux | look i know umask is the opposite of the permissions. however what's the physical meaning of it? why should I use it instead of chmod? |
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| 13:40.47 | peturi | superlinux: umask says how files are created, which permissions they have |
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| 13:41.13 | ompaul | superlinux: it is a setting for the shell so when a user creates a file they have a prexisting level of permissions for that file - type touch foo and the settings for foo are from umask |
| 13:41.15 | superlinux | ah.. so it's the default permissions? |
| 13:41.19 | peturi | superlinux: yes |
| 13:41.35 | superlinux | this summerizes it |
| 13:41.44 | peturi | superlinux: but if you create a file through say gnome or kde, then it's not bound to follow the shells umask |
| 13:41.45 | superlinux | "the default" |
| 13:41.54 | superlinux | ah ok |
| 13:41.59 | peturi | good :) |
| 13:42.03 | superlinux | nice! |
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| 13:42.12 | superlinux | i have to quit. thanks |
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| 13:42.15 | peturi | bibi :) |
| 13:42.32 | ompaul | peturi: what do gnome and kde use to set permissions? |
| 13:42.43 | peturi | ompaul: I don't remember |
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| 13:44.58 | peturi | ompaul: you need to set the umask somewhere, don't remember where... |
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| 13:45.46 | ompaul | peturi: I'm now on the hunt ;-) |
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| 13:58.02 | h3sp4wn | Thats a bug if pam is configured properly then it should respect /etc/login.defs regardless (Dunno why gnome or kde should be touching that) |
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| 13:59.50 | Jemt | Hi guys. How can it be, that Debian runs so well from a USB stick. I can use it on different computers without changing drivers/modules etc. Doesn't Linux/Debian store information about hardware? |
| 14:00.25 | dutchfish | Jemt, not unless you tell it to do so |
| 14:00.32 | quup | so I upgraded from stable to testing because I saw the nvidia drivers were current enough (I need at least v258) but now there is no libcuda1-dev package.... |
| 14:00.33 | ompaul | right now kde is respecting umask under test, so it may have been a bug previously |
| 14:00.39 | menace | never heard complaining about linux working to well before :D |
| 14:00.45 | Jemt | dutchfish: Okay, nifty |
| 14:00.49 | Jemt | Hehe :) |
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| 14:02.41 | ompaul | Jemt: what if the situation was the modules were available and loaded on a per machine basis ;-) {which is how it works, unless you need very specific pieces of firmware} |
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| 14:04.06 | Jemt | Well, I'm wondering.. There must be overhead in detecting hardware every time - although I wouldn't want it any other way |
| 14:04.54 | ompaul | Jemt: there is, you probe the hardware select the module load it, normal boot process unless you do it the other way and install too big a kernel with all modules loaded in advance :-/ |
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| 14:05.13 | cobra-the-joker | !libreoffice |
| 14:05.13 | dpkg | LibreOffice is a fork of <OpenOffice>. It is currently packaged in <testing>, replacing the OpenOffice.org packaging. http://www.libreoffice.org/ #documentfoundation on irc.freenode.net. Debian users will see little difference between the old OOo packages and LibreOffice, ask me about <debian ooo>. |
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| 14:08.14 | Jemt | ompaul: Hm, so I could in theory load - let's say - all available WiFi modules, and they wouldn't conflict ? |
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| 14:09.13 | ompaul | Jemt: they might not like each other but the kernel might like to fake irqs for them as it should (can't remember how conflicts are done these days) however you might regret having all that overhead loaded if not needed |
| 14:09.14 | Bop | is there a way to remove all packages that came from debian-multimedia repository ? |
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| 14:09.42 | Jemt | ompaul: yes, I see |
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| 14:10.49 | Jemt | Bop: All packages installed are available through "dpkg --get-selections". I suppose you could write a shell script that removes packages part of multiverse. There might be a simpler way |
| 14:10.50 | Trevelyan | Hi all, I just upgraded from lenny to squeeze and now booting is broken. It converted my sysv rc to the new system, and checkfs now fails complaining that each partition is already mounted |
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| 14:11.47 | Bop | Jemt, dpkg --get selections doesnt tell me where they came from |
| 14:12.06 | Trevelyan | it then goes to maintance mode and boots no further.... |
| 14:12.08 | Jemt | Bop: Nope, you will need to look it up - e.g using "apt-cache show PACKAGE" |
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| 14:12.13 | Jemt | or showpkg |
| 14:12.20 | Bop | hmmm |
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| 14:13.11 | ompaul | there is polic |
| 14:13.17 | Trevelyan | are the debian multimedia packages not named as such? e.g. backport packages all end in -bpo |
| 14:13.36 | Raddsdsr | guys, i can access a terminal from my debian box, but if i try to startx or gdm it just shows 'input not supported' |
| 14:13.36 | ompaul | apt-cache policy |
| 14:13.37 | Raddsdsr | guys, i can access a terminal from my debian box, but if i try to startx or gdm it just shows 'input not supported' |
| 14:13.38 | Raddsdsr | how can i fix this? |
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| 14:14.59 | Bop | Jemt, apt-cache show package , does not show either |
| 14:15.06 | Jemt | showpkg |
| 14:15.22 | Jemt | (perhaps?) |
| 14:15.40 | Bop | hmm i dont have that binary |
| 14:15.48 | Jemt | apt-get showpkg PACKAGE |
| 14:15.53 | Bop | oh |
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| 14:16.16 | Bop | E: Invalid operation showpkg |
| 14:16.22 | dutchfish | mumbles about aptitude search '~i ~Omultimedia' |
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| 14:19.33 | Bop | dutchfish, where did u get Omultimedia ? |
| 14:19.43 | milan | fdisk shows me 4 primary partitions (1. ext3, 2. fat32, 3. ntfs, 4. hfs+) all as system type sfs, grub update fails with Auto-detection of a filesystem of /dev/sda1 failed and cfdisk says bad primary partition 3: partition ends in the final partial cylinder, any ideas? |
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| 14:23.25 | milan | the kde partitionmanager shows them as they are excep hfs+ which is unknown |
| 14:23.34 | thegraham | Hi, I'm seeing the following error when .forward rules try to move an email message into the directory ._foo. I'm using exim4. I've googled, but can't find any info on the error: /home/user/Maildir/._foo <user@domain> R=userforward T=address_file defer (-4): mailbox /home/user/Maildir/._foo has too many links (6 |
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| 14:25.39 | AdamGallagher_ | Hi all. |
| 14:26.20 | dutchfish | Bop, or aptitude search '~S~i!~Odebian' (works as well if you have only 1 foreign repository) |
| 14:26.23 | NoReflex | hello! anyone using Adaptec 1045 on Debian lenny? I have to install it in a computer with lenny and until now I've tested it on squeeze but I encountered some issues. For example in squeeze it was running very slow (dd from a HDD connected to it was getting 2.6 MB/s) unless I used irqpoll |
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| 14:27.01 | AdamGallagher_ | Is there a channel on this server that's for hobbyists looking to partner up? Given the amount of developers around, it might be a good idea if it's not already out there. |
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| 14:27.23 | bjk | anyone else having probs with aptitude showing the ChangeLog for a package? |
| 14:28.21 | NoReflex | and when squeeze booted for the first time it said "BUG soft lokcup on CPU#0 61s" for 3 times after which it continued booting and I could see the drives connected to adaptec (afterwards it booted normally from what I can tell) |
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| 14:28.51 | bjk | i mean not showing |
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| 14:29.20 | bjk | 404 Not Found [IP: 194.177.211.202 80] |
| 14:30.07 | dutchfish | bjk, nope; aptitude changlog [foo] , works for me |
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| 14:30.16 | NoReflex | bjk, I usually get 404 when something has changed in the repo ... did you try aptitude update? |
| 14:30.20 | dutchfish | s/changlog/changelog |
| 14:30.31 | bjk | dutchfish, yeah. its been broken for me for a few weeks |
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| 14:30.55 | dutchfish | bjk, any example for a package to reproduce over here? |
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| 14:31.13 | bjk | dutchfish, scorched3d-data |
| 14:31.22 | dutchfish | bjk, btw, i am latest point release of squeeze (stable) |
| 14:31.30 | bjk | dutchfish, testing here |
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| 14:31.59 | dutchfish | bjk, works for me too, for scorched3d-data |
| 14:32.14 | dutchfish | bjk, might be something in testing |
| 14:32.24 | bjk | dutchfish, must be |
| 14:32.27 | bjk | dutchfish, thanks |
| 14:32.32 | dutchfish | bjk, yw |
| 14:32.47 | Trevelyan | I haven't found anything useful with google. upgrade to squeeze and the new rc init has broken my boot up. checkfs fails |
| 14:34.18 | dutchfish | bjk, are you willing to pastebin the output of 'strace aptitude changelog scorched3d-data' ? |
| 14:34.36 | bjk | dutchfish, doing a sniff right now |
| 14:34.46 | dutchfish | bjk, okidoki |
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| 14:35.15 | dutchfish | bjk, also double check your net connection |
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| 14:35.43 | bjk | dutchfish, just no changelog is all. old versions are there |
| 14:35.57 | namidark | Anyone here familiar with setting up courier and postfix with saslauthd and mysql on debian 5? I can telnet and login fine via pop, but when I try to connect via imap, it wont let me (from my mail client) |
| 14:36.15 | Trevelyan | Here is the bootup text: http://paste.debian.net/114239/ |
| 14:36.27 | dutchfish | bjk, does apt-listchanges work for you? |
| 14:37.22 | Bop | dutchfish, wont help , it will remove alot of packages that are from ofiicial |
| 14:37.24 | bjk | dutchfish, i just found that it works for ohter packages. only that package changelog is broken |
| 14:37.51 | dutchfish | bjk, ah ic |
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| 14:39.54 | Trevelyan | Bop: have you tried setting the pin priority for d-m extremely low and then do apt-get upgrade? just a thought |
| 14:40.13 | dutchfish | Bop, you need to do it in a few steps; 1. save te first i gave to > multi.list or something 2. mark out the multimedia repo 3. aptitude update && aptitude clean 4. feed the list to aptitude for reinstall after manually deleting the packages that aren't in debian. |
| 14:40.29 | namidark | or anyone know which channel i could ask in :|? #courier is empty |
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| 14:41.04 | Bop | dutchfish, what was the first ? |
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| 14:41.32 | dutchfish | mumbles about aptitude search '~i ~Omultimedia' |
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| 14:42.14 | Bop | that doesnt return any hit |
| 14:43.20 | dutchfish | Bop, double checked it, it works for me, no idee why |
| 14:43.36 | Bop | ok |
| 14:44.32 | dutchfish | Bop, as i said, this works on Debian stable. |
| 14:44.45 | Bop | im on testing |
| 14:44.52 | Bop | im gonna make a script |
| 14:45.03 | dutchfish | ah ic |
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| 14:47.07 | dutchfish | Bop, good luck |
| 14:47.57 | Bop | dutchfish, i'll show you later |
| 14:47.58 | Bop | :) |
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| 14:48.36 | ZyZ | how come I get `(Operating system error)' in mailq when I try to send an email to myself using `sendmail'? |
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| 14:51.09 | dutchfish | Bop, maybe you encountered a bug in testing for the ~O in aptitude and should report it .... |
| 14:51.14 | xand | ZyZ: I would check the logs for exim (assumign exim) |
| 14:51.28 | ZyZ | xand: thanks, will do |
| 14:52.22 | m3lvin | Just a quick question, I've always used aptitude, is this the preferred? or apt-get which seems to be the standard used in the docs? |
| 14:53.03 | ZyZ | Apr 16 05:37:38 joelightning sm-mta[27153]: p3FD0346013384: SYSERR(root): Cannot exec /usr/sbin/sensible-mda: No such file or directory |
| 14:53.28 | ZyZ | hmm.. mda=mail delivery agent |
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| 14:54.04 | babilen | m3lvin: Just continue to use aptitude. apt-get is preferred for the *upgrade* from lenny to squeeze. |
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| 14:55.31 | m3lvin | babilen: Thanks, do you think this will change in the near future towards a preference for apt-get? |
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| 14:55.38 | babilen | m3lvin: no |
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| 15:02.32 | dutchfish | Bop, also see Oorigin: file:///usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s04s05.html#searchFor |
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| 15:16.01 | Yossarian | hi peeps |
| 15:16.32 | Yossarian | i'm on Debian Squeeze and i've accidentally removed the sources.list file. can someone please send me this file? :)) |
| 15:17.11 | babilen | !tell Yossarian -about squeeze sources.list |
| 15:17.11 | Yossarian | preferably will all the non-free extra repos :) |
| 15:17.11 | babilen | !tell Yossarian -about geo sources.list |
| 15:17.13 | babilen | !tell Yossarian -about contrib |
| 15:17.16 | babilen | !tell Yossarian -about non-free |
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| 15:17.35 | babilen | !tell Yossarian -about squeeze-updates |
| 15:18.13 | babilen | !tell Yossarian -about mirrors |
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| 15:18.21 | babilen | Yossarian: That should cover the basics ;) |
| 15:18.32 | Yossarian | i love you! |
| 15:18.54 | babilen | ♥ |
| 15:19.32 | babilen | Yossarian: Once you are done you can paste the sources.list you came up with to http://paste.debian.net and we'll have a look. |
| 15:19.53 | Yossarian | alright! |
| 15:19.53 | Miesco_ | Is hal obsolete? |
| 15:19.55 | Yossarian | thanks! |
| 15:20.04 | Miesco_ | Did it get replaced? |
| 15:20.22 | babilen | Miesco_: most things use udev these days |
| 15:20.22 | Miesco_ | because I upgraded all my packages and its removing hal |
| 15:20.29 | Miesco_ | babilen: okay |
| 15:20.29 | jelly-home | Miesco_: pretty much, yes. |
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| 15:26.41 | ZyZ | what imaginable reason could there be for my rc.local to suddenly stop working for no reason |
| 15:26.59 | nevyn | ZyZ: is it not executable? |
| 15:26.59 | Yossarian | i currently have: |
| 15:27.01 | Yossarian | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze non-free contrib main |
| 15:27.01 | Yossarian | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 15:27.01 | Yossarian | deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 15:27.12 | Yossarian | euhe, sorry |
| 15:27.26 | Yossarian | so i have three sources, anything i'm missing? |
| 15:27.32 | babilen | Yossarian: http://paste.debian.net |
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| 15:27.56 | jelly-home | Yossarian: you don't even need the second line |
| 15:27.57 | ZyZ | actually it seems that it is being run but the command inside it is suddenly broken |
| 15:28.00 | babilen | Yossarian: The second one is superfluous |
| 15:28.02 | ZyZ | screen don't work |
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| 15:28.42 | babilen | Yossarian: And it is typically "main contrib non-free" and not "non-free contrib main" but that is just a cosmetic issue. You might want to consider to include squeeze-updates as well. |
| 15:28.47 | ZyZ | I just changed my hostname, maybe that broke screen somehow |
| 15:29.11 | babilen | ZyZ: That might be a reason |
| 15:29.36 | babilen | ZyZ: http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
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| 15:31.18 | chrissbx | How does one use the bug tracker correctly when using stable, so that I see all bugs relevant for stable, not for sid? |
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| 15:32.13 | chrissbx | i.e. I'm fearing that when maintainers close bugs for sid, they vanish from the bug tracker and I don't see them anymore even when I'm using stable and am suffering from them. |
| 15:32.52 | chrissbx | Is this analysis correct? Should I still just report bugs without worrying about reporting bugs already fixed in sid? |
| 15:34.09 | kroson | chrissbx: sorry to ask, im a bit noob, is it safe to use sid right now? tks in adv |
| 15:34.58 | rgr | if you need to ask then no. |
| 15:35.18 | chrissbx | kroson: from what I was asking you can defer that I'm using stable and not sid. |
| 15:36.22 | chrissbx | (well, that I'm not using sid isn't deferrable with certainty, but with some likelyness, since otherwise I would have had the chance to test whether the bug was gone in sid +-easily) |
| 15:36.48 | ZyZ | aww, I fixed it |
| 15:36.54 | ZyZ | was a stale lock file |
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| 15:37.44 | NoReflex | where can I find a lenny cd iso image? I'm trying to install lenny from an USB Stick. I copied initrd and vmlinuz but I need a small iso now |
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| 15:38.37 | kroson | so, for everyone, is sid stable enough for normal use now? |
| 15:39.07 | dutchfish | NoReflex, http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/debian-installer/ |
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| 15:39.33 | NoReflex | dutchfish, thank you |
| 15:39.50 | Yossarian | another silly question. linuxquestions says: |
| 15:39.50 | Yossarian | "Remember - you can always find the original sources.list on your Debian install CD." where, exactly? |
| 15:40.27 | babilen | kroson: sid is per definition not stable |
| 15:40.52 | dutchfish | Yossarian, apt: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 15:41.08 | kroson | babilen: some opinions state otherwise, in what concerns their user experience, thats why im asking :) |
| 15:41.19 | babilen | !tell kroson -about stable |
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| 15:41.20 | dutchfish | Yossarian, how to find that: apt-file search sources.list |
| 15:42.18 | babilen | kroson: Debian's definition of stable has nothing to do with being "non broken" -- The aim is to create a bug-free release, but once a stable version has been released it is stable in the sense of "versions do not change" |
| 15:42.36 | kroson | babilen: i see, im used to the ubuntu definition xD |
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| 15:43.02 | kroson | but i like to have some improvements and recent packages too, so in your opinion i should go for testing or sid? |
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| 15:43.22 | chrissbx | kroson: it's simply a question of probability whether you'll be affected by bugs or not |
| 15:43.36 | babilen | kroson: And answering your question is *really* hard. There are a bunch of bugs in sid that you will run into, it also depends on your knowledge of Debian and its packaging system and what you want to use the machine for. |
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| 15:43.50 | chrissbx | it's basically useless to ask this question since you don't state how many packages you use and how much chance you're willing to take; |
| 15:44.02 | chrissbx | even then probably nobody measured the chances, so can't tell. |
| 15:44.20 | babilen | kroson: wheezy is severely broken right now (udev) -- nothing that can't be repaired, but you need to spend some time with it. |
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| 15:47.45 | babilen | kroson: Let me put it like this: Wheezy is a complete clusterfuck at the moment |
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| 15:48.19 | kroson | babilen: is wheezy the testing branch? |
| 15:48.23 | babilen | yes |
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| 15:48.45 | kroson | so sid is even worse then? |
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| 15:49.12 | jhutchins_lt | !sid |
| 15:49.12 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 15:50.32 | kroson | oh its not supported |
| 15:50.34 | kroson | lol |
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| 15:51.36 | chrissbx | Why are you laughing, kroson? |
| 15:51.59 | babilen | chrissbx: he is, in fact, complaining about little old ladies |
| 15:54.19 | kroson | chrissbx: i just figured that sid is so unstable that it is not even supported in the debian irc channel |
| 15:55.52 | chrissbx | Yeah; the devs are who are fixing things as they go, no use for people to ask here. |
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| 15:56.30 | waisted | hey guys how can i install mozila in debian |
| 15:56.42 | babilen | waisted: the browser? |
| 15:56.58 | waisted | yes |
| 15:57.07 | babilen | waisted: "aptitude install iceweasel" |
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| 15:57.12 | kroson | waisted: i think it is called iceweasel |
| 15:57.20 | waisted | yes i got that |
| 15:57.21 | chrissbx | kroson: the best you could do is install testing in a virtual machine and see how it goes for you (maybe not right now when you already know it's broken, though) |
| 15:57.23 | kroson | babilen: isnt there a repo for ff4? |
| 15:57.24 | kroson | or iceweasel4 |
| 15:57.26 | waisted | already i was just confuesd coz of name |
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| 15:57.34 | babilen | kroson: yes, there is |
| 15:57.45 | babilen | !tell waisted about why iceweasel |
| 15:57.50 | kroson | chrissbx: thanks m8 :) |
| 15:57.53 | waisted | babilen, thanks |
| 15:57.56 | mads | Hi. I want to set up a little private home server. Would I be better off with Debian 5 or 6? How about security? |
| 15:58.31 | babilen | waisted: You *might* be interested in FF4/Iceweasel 4 -- http://mozilla.debian.net/ (not sure how usable that is right now) |
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| 15:59.14 | waisted | thanks |
| 16:00.12 | chrissbx | mads: install Debian stable (i.e. 6), it doesn't make sense to install old version that won't be supported for long anymore |
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| 16:01.05 | chrissbx | mads: for security, regularly run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 16:02.10 | mads | chrissbx: thanks :) |
| 16:02.44 | c3l | I have a certain folder, in which I need control over permission for its children. if a user in the groupowner (which has write access in my directory) creates a file, this user will be the owner of the file. can I configure the filesystem to force all created files in this directory to automatically get certain permissions? |
| 16:02.48 | chrissbx | mads: also don't install services you don't need, etc. (google for "securing debian" or so for further advices) |
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| 16:06.04 | chrissbx | c3l: yes, set the group sticky bit, chmod g+s "$folder" |
| 16:06.15 | chrissbx | and choose the right group |
| 16:06.42 | chrissbx | the created files then inherit the group |
| 16:07.44 | chrissbx | So it's the group permissions that will give access, thus you need to make sure the files are created with the right r/w/x bits for the group; |
| 16:08.06 | chrissbx | you usually do this by setting the umask before running your programs. |
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| 16:10.00 | chrissbx | s/group sticky bit/set group bit/ |
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| 16:13.40 | c3l | chrissbx: ah nice, now how do I set an apropriate umask for that directory |
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| 16:14.42 | Yossarian | guys, another little problem.. i use VLC for movies and even though the 'inhibit power management during playback' option is enabled, it still dims the screen and eventually goes to sleep. any ideas? |
| 16:14.51 | chrissbx | c3l: you don't set the umask for the directory; you set it for the processes (it's part of the process environment (not environment variables, but like the current directory)), run "help umask" in the shell |
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| 16:17.01 | chrissbx | c3l: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umask and maybe google for: debian umask |
| 16:18.07 | chrissbx | c3l: you can set the umask you get when logging in through your ~/.profile, although some services like git over ssh don't load that file; those services usually have their own means to set the umask |
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| 16:18.59 | notlink | Why is the gnubik package so old? |
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| 16:19.29 | c3l | chrissbx: aah, how sad that you cant have different umasks for different directories. well well, thanks for your help! |
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| 16:20.10 | jelly-home | notlink: if there's a new upstream version, try filing a wishlist bug for it to be packaged |
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| 16:22.49 | jelly-home | notlink: note that Debian stable does NOT get newer versions of software, only fixes. If upstream authors released a newer version after Debian 6.0 freeze date, it wouldn't have entered in squeeze anyway |
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| 16:22.58 | chrissbx | c3l: that's not really sad, it makes sense: whether a process should give read permissions to anyone should be in the knowledge of the process (select permissions for each file separately); whether files should be given write permissions to other groups generally should be policy of the user, hence the user sets the umask, with the possibility to still use a different one for each process group; |
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| 16:23.45 | chrissbx | whether a particular group should be given access depends on the kind of data, hence directory, hence chmod g+s |
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| 16:26.38 | chrissbx | c3l: or why do you think it's sad? |
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| 16:28.34 | c3l | chrissbx: hm yes, I guess you're right. I just thought it was a bit limiting. in directory foo I maybe want 'others' to have read access for new files. but not for new files in directory bar |
| 16:28.41 | livcd1 | What debian 6.0 contain gcc in iso ? |
| 16:29.16 | chrissbx | c3l: usually you use different programs in foo versus bar, so you can use different umasks |
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| 16:30.11 | chrissbx | If it's the same program that should treat bar differently than foo, then it should the program itself who chooses different permissions, so you don't need to do anything about it |
| 16:30.50 | notlink | jelly-home: It doesnt seem to be in any version. |
| 16:32.22 | petan | hi I can't install java to epiphany or firefox on debian |
| 16:32.22 | petan | it's installed but doesn't work |
| 16:32.22 | livcd1 | anyone ? |
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| 16:34.06 | jrz | What would be the "best" way to resize my ext4 partition? |
| 16:34.07 | chrissbx | petan: in oldstable I've successfully been using sun-java6-plugin; have you read the debian java pages? |
| 16:34.09 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell livcd1 about cd contents |
| 16:34.24 | jelly-home | ,versions gcc |
| 16:34.26 | judd | Package gcc on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.5.2-2; sid: 4:4.5.2-5; experimental: 4:4.6.0-3exp1 |
| 16:34.42 | jelly-home | livcd1: it's going to be 4.4.5 then |
| 16:34.51 | jelly-home | if any |
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| 16:35.43 | chrissbx | jrz: gparted probably, at least I've used that successfully |
| 16:35.50 | livcd1 | to compile a compiler i need a compiler =,= |
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| 16:36.17 | jrz | chrissbx: it gives me shite errors about "incompatible features being enabled"" |
| 16:36.19 | chrissbx | jrz: also you'll have to unmount that partition first, if it's the root partition you'll have to boot from a rescue image |
| 16:36.21 | petan | chrissbx: where |
| 16:36.32 | jrz | it's unmounted. |
| 16:36.57 | chrissbx | petan: google debian java, I haven't read those pages in a while so don't know which to suggest to read first |
| 16:37.23 | chrissbx | jrz: hm then I don't know, never had this problem iirc |
| 16:37.33 | jrz | hm ok thx |
| 16:37.38 | livcd1 | i forgot how is the debian packagae management...can i download and install gcc from livecd ? |
| 16:37.45 | livcd1 | only one package |
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| 16:39.43 | nas | a |
| 16:39.46 | chrissbx | livcd1: why not add the package repo to sources.list and install with aptitute/apt? |
| 16:39.54 | nas | im trying to get fglrx to work |
| 16:40.04 | nas | fglrx-driver: Depends: xserver-xorg (>= 1:7.6+1) but 1:7.5+3 is to be installed |
| 16:40.05 | nas | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.06 | chrissbx | livcd1: you *could* install a file with dpkg -i but that gets messy fast |
| 16:40.17 | nas | I cant apt it |
| 16:40.23 | nas | anybody know whats going on? |
| 16:40.31 | livcd1 | chrissbx: i want just compiler to build a lfs :> |
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| 16:41.03 | chrissbx | livcd1: have you tried apt-get install gcc |
| 16:41.04 | nas | I need xorg 1.7.6 ? |
| 16:41.07 | nas | is that what its saying |
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| 16:41.41 | chrissbx | nas: you're probably using both stable and testing or unstable sources in your sources.list? |
| 16:42.14 | nas | deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 16:42.14 | nas | deb-src http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 16:42.19 | chrissbx | nas: run apt-get -f install, change your sources.list, run apt-get update then try again |
| 16:42.38 | chrissbx | hm only these lines? Then you don't mix, no |
| 16:42.52 | nas | oh and |
| 16:42.57 | nas | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main |
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| 16:43.20 | chrissbx | yeah, as expected :) |
| 16:43.35 | nas | chrissbx, ? |
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| 16:43.47 | waisted | can some1 tell me is there much difference between ubuntu and debian |
| 16:43.52 | chrissbx | nas: comment this line out; then do what I said above |
| 16:43.58 | nas | ok |
| 16:44.01 | nas | ill try it thanks |
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| 16:44.02 | jhutchins_lt | !sid |
| 16:44.03 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 16:44.26 | jhutchins_lt | waisted: Yes. They are different distributions. Ubuntu uses some debian packages as the basis for modifications. |
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| 16:45.19 | nas | chrissbx, no dice |
| 16:45.22 | jhutchins_lt | waisted: Among other things, if there were something like unity that crashed for 50% of the people who used it, it wouldn't be in Debian's releases. |
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| 16:45.30 | nas | what about this |
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| 16:45.32 | waisted | jhutchins_lt, thanks i am new to debian well i used ubuntu for long time but now i install debian and they look prety mch the same |
| 16:45.47 | jhutchins_lt | waisted: Gnome is gnome kde is kde. |
| 16:46.07 | jhutchins_lt | waisted: They can be themed differently, but they are the same packages 'upstream'. |
| 16:46.08 | nas | chrissbx, does a gpg error matter when you apt-get update? |
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| 16:46.11 | waisted | jhutchins_lt, you are right i guess its whats under the look |
| 16:46.37 | chrissbx | nas: hm I always sort these out before continuing |
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| 16:46.42 | notlink | s |
| 16:46.43 | jhutchins_lt | waisted: Debian packages typically have an earlier version number and more testing and patching. |
| 16:46.43 | MrFrood | waisted: it's like chedder and stilton - both are cheese, both have a lot in common, but they taste very differn't |
| 16:47.16 | waisted | yeah i know what u mean guys i am converting to debian |
| 16:47.17 | waisted | lol |
| 16:47.41 | jhutchins_lt | Debian makes fewer decisions for you and may require a bit more work to get things running. |
| 16:48.11 | waisted | but i guess that is better u learn more |
| 16:48.27 | chrissbx | nas: also in comment out line+save file, apt-get update, apt-get -f install, where did you get no dice? |
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| 16:49.33 | nas | I got the same message when I tried installing the driver |
| 16:49.58 | chrissbx | nas: do you have an /etc/apt/preferences file? |
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| 16:50.43 | nas | I have a folder preferences.d |
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| 16:51.37 | chrissbx | nas: that shouldn't matter, I've wondered about manually created files only |
| 16:52.07 | chrissbx | nas: apt-get -f install should tell you what's broken and how it intends to fix it and you just say yes to get back to a clean state; |
| 16:52.17 | chrissbx | what does that say? |
| 16:52.45 | chrissbx | (in case it says it will remove 100 essential packages or some such, don't say yes) |
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| 16:53.19 | nas | the following pakcages were automatilly installed and are no longer required |
| 16:53.27 | nas | use apt-get autoremove to remove them |
| 16:53.32 | nas | should i? |
| 16:53.37 | chrissbx | you can do that, yes |
| 16:53.46 | chrissbx | should be unrelated to your problem though |
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| 16:54.41 | chrissbx | (but yes, better try, in the end those packages *might* hold some stuff back or so) |
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| 16:55.23 | chrissbx | nas: also, how did you try to install fglrx-driver? with apt, or dpkg, or? |
| 16:55.30 | nas | apt |
| 16:55.33 | nas | apt-get install |
| 16:55.55 | chrissbx | ok. So has "apt-get -f install" run through? |
| 16:56.06 | nas | ya still did the same thing |
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| 16:56.22 | chrissbx | note that you don't give any further argument to that. Just "apt-get -f install" nothing else |
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| 16:56.43 | chrissbx | Now what do you mean with "still did the same thing", please? |
| 16:56.45 | chrissbx | Be specific. |
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| 16:57.06 | nas | apt-get install fglrx-driver |
| 16:57.18 | nas | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 16:57.19 | nas | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.19 | nas | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.19 | nas | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.19 | nas | E: Broken packages |
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| 16:57.46 | nas | sorry |
| 16:57.50 | chrissbx | nas: just say it with more precision :) |
| 16:57.50 | jhutchins_lt | Why is he using sid? |
| 16:58.10 | chrissbx | nas: yes, I'm unclear why you're seem to pull from sid |
| 16:58.21 | nas | to get the latest |
| 16:58.35 | chrissbx | ah, you're on sid anyway, I missed that. |
| 16:58.46 | chrissbx | Well there packages actually *may* break, so... |
| 16:59.13 | chrissbx | yeah, I missed the "sid" entry in your main sources.list entry. |
| 16:59.20 | chrissbx | Don't use sid, then :) |
| 16:59.30 | nas | to late to change it? |
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| 16:59.48 | chrissbx | nas: you can still change to testing, that may be somewhat better |
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| 17:00.57 | chrissbx | nas: probably best if you include both testing and sid in the sources.list, and then create a /etc/apt/preferences which favours testing |
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| 17:01.21 | chrissbx | nas: then run apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:01.31 | nas | I tried changing sid to testing and I still get same unmet dependencies |
| 17:01.51 | chrissbx | nas: yes, since you first have to downgrade your currently installed packages |
| 17:02.03 | nas | oh I see |
| 17:02.11 | chrissbx | nas: the problem is that you've got a too-new xserver and there's no matching driver |
| 17:02.35 | chrissbx | nas: now you can either downgrade just your xserver, or probably easier, create the preferences file then dist-upgrade |
| 17:02.37 | nas | ahh I see |
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| 17:03.12 | nas | that will likely break something |
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| 17:03.51 | jhutchins_lt | nas: This kind of thing happens all the time in sid. |
| 17:04.12 | nas | ya its happened to me before |
| 17:04.24 | chrissbx | nas: well you can also just not install that driver for now, but still change to testing now; then in a couple weeks when the new xserver+drivers enter testing, it may work |
| 17:04.51 | chrissbx | (so you move to testing gradually) |
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| 17:09.08 | nas | I think Im gonna try to install from ati's run script |
| 17:09.14 | nas | I need kernel sources though |
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| 17:10.25 | nas | crap |
| 17:10.34 | nas | I have 2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 17:10.51 | nas | I see sources for 2.6.38 |
| 17:10.53 | nas | what if |
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| 17:11.09 | nas | can I just grab generic 2.6.32 sources from the web? |
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| 17:12.48 | chrissbx | IIRC you'll have to configure them, too. Why not install a newer kernel? |
| 17:13.38 | nas | ya I could do that |
| 17:13.47 | nas | k im gonna try that |
| 17:13.50 | nas | thanks |
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| 17:17.29 | Jarvis | nas: if you compile a kernel yourself, use make-kpkg (debian pacvakge for it is: kernel-package) to build it .. it'll generate a deb for you to install. |
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| 17:18.09 | Jarvis | i'd recommend the one in the repository over a hand build one tho |
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| 17:19.40 | Omar | I'm Installed debian netinst |
| 17:19.53 | Omar | Restart after work and income on the shell, the screen is black |
| 17:20.00 | Omar | Now I want to make him enter directly on the graphical interface |
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| 17:20.05 | Omar | How so? |
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| 17:21.25 | nas | ok im gonna pray I can reboot |
| 17:22.11 | Omar | ?? |
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| 17:27.06 | nas | it looks like it still has both kernels on the grub menu |
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| 17:27.10 | nas | k im gonna reboot |
| 17:27.12 | nas | thanks guyts |
| 17:27.14 | nas | guys |
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| 17:31.11 | Bop | is there a tool to reinstall a package and all its dependencies ? |
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| 17:34.09 | chrissbx | Bop: apt-get install --reinstall for just the package. (Script it for the rest?) |
| 17:35.00 | Bop | chrissbx, sure , script it |
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| 17:37.58 | chrissbx | Bop: yes. Why do you want to do it, btw? |
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| 17:38.09 | Bop | to recheck stuff |
| 17:38.17 | Bop | been messing alot |
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| 17:39.31 | chrissbx | hm, recheck what? I don't think there's much checking done by a reinstall. Just replacement of files and rerunning hooks. |
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| 17:40.12 | chrissbx | Anyway, scripting should be easy enough. |
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| 17:43.06 | rutski | I have the following iptables rule: |
| 17:43.24 | rutski | "-A INPUT -s xx.xxx.xxx.xxx/32 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT" (IP redacted) |
| 17:43.34 | rutski | the x's are the IP of my home machine |
| 17:43.39 | rutski | and the iptables rule is on my remote server |
| 17:43.57 | rutski | the rule seems to allow me to connect to the server on port 22 |
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| 17:44.24 | rutski | wait, nm; the question that I was going to ask was silly |
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| 17:46.21 | babilen | rutski: rubber duck debugging? |
| 17:46.28 | rutski | rubber duck debugging? |
| 17:46.46 | rutski | the trouble is that I'm only just learning iptables |
| 17:46.59 | rutski | and I have the policy set to "-P INPUT DROP" |
| 17:47.14 | rutski | and it's preventing me from doing things like "dig google.com" from the server |
| 17:47.32 | rutski | which I find confusing, because I thought outgoing traffic was still allowed |
| 17:48.03 | rutski | I do have "-P OUTPUT ALLOW", and no special drop rules on OUTPUT |
| 17:48.09 | rutski | so I don't get why dig won't work :-/ |
| 17:48.15 | rutski | googling around now though |
| 17:48.40 | rutski | I suppose the dig request is going out, but the response isn't allowed back in? |
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| 17:49.22 | dutchfish | *coughs* and mumbles about response traffic on NAT |
| 17:50.15 | babilen | rutski: You need to get the server response as well. |
| 17:50.31 | rutski | indeed, right; looking at -m state now |
| 17:50.41 | babilen | rutski: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging -- you might want to read http://www.frozentux.net/documents/iptables-tutorial/ |
| 17:51.16 | babilen | rutski: And yes, stateful rules are a solution. I would encourage you to ask in #netfilter though (which is unfortunately not as busy as #debian) |
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| 17:51.27 | rutski | oh, heh; noted |
| 17:51.40 | jhutchins_lt | There's also a good NAT howto on tldp.org |
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| 17:56.04 | ricardo | Hi, I'm installing a Debian 6 machine with two HD in RAID1. The instalations occours good, but when I restart the computer GRUB says tha |
| 17:56.33 | ricardo | says:"error: no such disk." (sorry, misstype the return before) |
| 17:57.28 | erAbuelo | hasta luego |
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| 18:04.56 | dutchfish | ricardo, does the raid assemble? |
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| 18:11.07 | namidark | Soooo banging my head on the desk... I'll paypal someone 20$ to help me figure out this darn mail server issue... Postfix/Courier/Mysql backend on Debian :| |
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| 18:11.31 | babilen | postfix? ... /me walks away ;) |
| 18:11.44 | babilen | ugh, mysql .. even worse :) |
| 18:11.46 | paolosca | Hi, the dvd in this laptop works fine with dvds but sees all the cds as blank, any idea of where I can look to fix this problem? |
| 18:11.51 | namidark | babilen: >:O its mostly courier I think... :[ damnthing isnt making the directories on its own |
| 18:12.16 | namidark | babilen: got it to login fine, but the directory structure isn't being auto-created |
| 18:12.28 | babilen | namidark: It might help if you actually specify the problem and give as much information as possible. It might also be an idea to ask in more specific channels such as #postfix #courier or so |
| 18:13.32 | namidark | babilen: The user directories arent being created, despite being in the mysql tables... I get a no such file or directory once I try and login with imap and it tries to cd to domain.com/username |
| 18:13.38 | namidark | #courier is empty, i'll try postfix |
| 18:14.01 | babilen | I doubt that #postfix wants to help with courier issues. |
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| 18:15.36 | dutchfish | namidark, http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual-users-and-domains-with-postfix-courier-mysql-and-squirrelmail-debian-squeeze |
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| 18:16.07 | namidark | babilen: I don't even know if its courier :|... |
| 18:16.12 | babilen | namidark: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-users would also be an option. Would dovecot+postgres be an option? |
| 18:16.13 | namidark | dutchfish: thats what i fowlloed :( |
| 18:16.26 | namidark | babilen: no :| already running mysql for other apsp |
| 18:16.28 | namidark | apps* |
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| 18:16.30 | babilen | ok |
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| 18:17.00 | dutchfish | namidark, well, check down if postfix is setup right, domain, postmap etc |
| 18:17.29 | dutchfish | namidark, also if mysql is hooked up and courier is running is the right user |
| 18:17.37 | namidark | dutchfish: yup double checking now... i mean all the login works etc, its just the directories arent created automagically, and im not sure if im actually supposed to make them or if it should be done by the mta |
| 18:18.11 | chrissbx | namidark: maybe watch the process(es) wiht strace -fp $pid |
| 18:18.13 | dutchfish | namidark, might be a security issue if the courier process is running as the wrong user |
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| 18:18.26 | namidark | hmmm ill check that |
| 18:19.58 | namidark | dutchfish: it appears to be running as root |
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| 18:20.33 | mosno | well, looks like i'm the first person to try connecting to OFTC over TLS using weechat... because it's broken and there's no bug filed. |
| 18:20.35 | mosno | :-\ |
| 18:20.50 | mosno | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=784740 |
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| 18:21.34 | mosno | either that or the other people it hit have trouble with using a remote SMTP server in reportbug like me |
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| 18:23.35 | Flaim | hey, anyone here know proftpd very well? |
| 18:23.36 | mosno | hmm wait, wrong issue |
| 18:24.01 | Flaim | i got it running, but can't login. |
| 18:24.33 | dutchfish | namidark, what happens after you did send the welcome mail with mailx? (then the dirs should be created) |
| 18:24.54 | dutchfish | namidark, can you pastebin that part? |
| 18:24.58 | woonix | Flaim: You could try #proftpd |
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| 18:25.09 | namidark | dutchfish: nothing happens... funny i just tried that... i get... sec lemme re run it |
| 18:25.18 | petemc | Flaim: proftpd-basic worked out of the box for me |
| 18:25.21 | Flaim | i could indeed. didn't know there was such a channel... |
| 18:25.32 | Flaim | aye, it usually does for me petemc.. |
| 18:25.36 | Flaim | hence my confusion |
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| 18:25.41 | petemc | note the -basic |
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| 18:26.13 | namidark | dutchfish: http://pastebin.com/vY9vD0md |
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| 18:26.18 | Flaim | aye |
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| 18:26.34 | namidark | Maybe that address resolver failure is an issue or the domain in both? |
| 18:26.35 | nas | that didnt work |
| 18:26.51 | nas | it modified my grub menu.lst and didnt bother to back it up |
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| 18:26.58 | nas | it replace the drives with uuids |
| 18:27.04 | nas | and now i cant boot into linux |
| 18:27.09 | nas | im stuck in windows |
| 18:27.18 | dutchfish | namidark, ay, you forget to setup transport rules, th elog complains about column for that. |
| 18:27.20 | nas | i cant remember what i was using for kernel last time |
| 18:27.25 | babilen | !tell Flaim -about ftp must die |
| 18:27.32 | dutchfish | namidark, line 2 |
| 18:27.32 | jhutchins_lt | namidark: What about fixing the errors? |
| 18:27.45 | nas | root (hd0,2) lets grub see everything |
| 18:27.53 | namidark | dutchfish: hmm I thought those were optional |
| 18:27.53 | nas | but i dont know what to put for kernel |
| 18:28.24 | dutchfish | namidark, sure, but only for an endpoint |
| 18:28.31 | Flaim | heh, thanks bablien |
| 18:28.37 | dutchfish | namidark, others need transport rules |
| 18:29.07 | dutchfish | namidark, rince and repeat |
| 18:29.15 | namidark | dutchfish: so would i just enter domain: domain.com | transport: : |
| 18:29.22 | babilen | Flaim: Read it. It is worth it. |
| 18:29.47 | Flaim | Indeed. |
| 18:30.01 | petemc | if you want to shunt large amounts of data around a local network, ftp is great |
| 18:30.09 | StyXman | nas: do you remember ehat parittion the kernel is? |
| 18:30.12 | StyXman | what* |
| 18:30.26 | nas | hd(0,2) |
| 18:30.34 | nas | works |
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| 18:30.43 | dutchfish | namidark, see the part for transport rules on http://www.postfixvirtual.net/postfixconf.html |
| 18:30.44 | nas | i cant remeber if it was /dev/sda2 |
| 18:30.47 | nas | /dev/hda2 |
| 18:30.58 | nas | or something completly different |
| 18:31.07 | nas | because its a raided drive |
| 18:31.08 | StyXman | nas: then, in grub's command line, try 'kernel (hd0,1) /boot/<tab><tab>' |
| 18:31.14 | StyXman | nas: gorub has tab completion |
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| 18:31.19 | StyXman | grub* |
| 18:31.31 | StyXman | nas: also: /dev/hda2 is (hd0,1) |
| 18:31.48 | nas | i also beleive i added raid options |
| 18:31.50 | StyXman | nas: ah, raid |
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| 18:32.11 | StyXman | which raid, or was it lvm? |
| 18:32.12 | nas | i tried hda2 |
| 18:32.35 | nas | its using an onboard raid controller |
| 18:32.37 | joelmob | can i set a shortcut to a folder in bash |
| 18:32.48 | joelmob | like if i want to access a my workspace |
| 18:32.49 | StyXman | joelmob: ln -s |
| 18:33.13 | namidark | dutchfish: well I fixed that transport error, now I'm getting that warning do not list in both error... not sure where i put thos evalues :| |
| 18:33.26 | StyXman | nas: then sorry, I never used onboard dair controllers |
| 18:33.45 | nas | im screwed |
| 18:34.09 | dutchfish | namidark, can you pastebin that too? |
| 18:34.12 | StyXman | nas: no, you just need to be pationt in this channel or try to figure it our with google :| |
| 18:34.18 | namidark | dutchfish: !!! |
| 18:34.24 | dutchfish | ? |
| 18:34.26 | namidark | dutchfish: :D :D :D it was |
| 18:34.39 | namidark | dutchfish: this line: "postconf -e 'mydestination = server1.example.com, localhost, localhost.localdomain'" |
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| 18:34.49 | dutchfish | !slap namidark |
| 18:34.49 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across namidark's face |
| 18:34.52 | dutchfish | ;) |
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| 18:34.54 | namidark | + a few other things you corrected me on |
| 18:35.25 | dutchfish | namidark, ok, there you go, have fun |
| 18:35.38 | namidark | dutchfish: now to see if i can connect with a real mail client haha |
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| 18:36.09 | dutchfish | :) |
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| 18:37.35 | namidark | dutchfish: haha now I can't connect with imap lol |
| 18:38.04 | dutchfish | hides because of th elack of knowledge about messing up certificates ;) |
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| 18:38.34 | namidark | wiiierd, it works via mutt |
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| 18:39.01 | dutchfish | namidark, check that you didnt use the default certs, i have to run, good luck |
| 18:39.10 | mynameistux | lol, I came here to ask a question, but as I typed it out I figured out the answer for myself |
| 18:39.16 | namidark | dutchfish: thanks a ton |
| 18:39.20 | dutchfish | yw |
| 18:39.24 | mynameistux | thanks for your help guys :D |
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| 18:40.42 | babilen | mynameistux: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging (buy one) |
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| 18:42.24 | mynameistux | was also a case of "eh, I've got all my files backed up, I might as well try this and if it doesn't work, it'll only take me 20 minutes to be up and running again |
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| 18:45.43 | mynameistux | hmm, not sure if that's worked |
| 18:46.02 | mynameistux | how do I see if I have read/write permissions on a file from a command line? |
| 18:46.25 | mynameistux | and please forgive my slowness, havn't slept in over 50 hours |
| 18:48.38 | jhutchins_lt | mynameistux: Sleep. |
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| 18:53.39 | mynameistux | if I have a dedicated NFS server, do I make the owner of the files the user account on the server, and the group with rwx permisson the user on my personal computer? |
| 18:54.05 | mynameistux | what I'm trying to say is, can I set it so there is a group with specified permissons that's on a seperate computer to the file system itself |
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| 18:54.33 | mynameistux | I have my NFS mounted on the client machine |
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| 18:58.43 | babilen | mynameistux: sleep |
| 18:59.07 | mynameistux | I have medically diagnosed insomnia |
| 19:00.18 | mynameistux | did my question make sense? |
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| 19:02.46 | babilen | mynameistux: You have to use the same UIDs/GIDs on all computers (NIS) |
| 19:03.15 | mynameistux | I have a user named mynameistux on both server and client |
| 19:03.20 | mynameistux | is that what you mean? |
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| 19:04.01 | mynameistux | (I'm normally more of an ubuntu "end user" this is my first time looking seriously at a *nix system and how it works) |
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| 19:05.07 | TACPILOT | when using apt-get what is the directory the packages are usually downloaded to ?? |
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| 19:05.43 | Mmike | I'm having problems with munin, sensors plugin. I'm trying not to plot temp1, the 'doc' from the /usr/share/munin/plugins/sensors_ tell me to put "env.ignore_temp<n>" to munin-node conf file. I've placedLine is not well formed (env.ignore_temp1) at /usr/share/perl5/Munin/Node/Service.pm line 81 this: "env.ignore_temp1", and when I do munin-run sensors_temp, I get this: |
| 19:05.46 | mynameistux | uhm |
| 19:05.48 | Mmike | Line is not well formed (env.ignore_temp1) at /usr/share/perl5/Munin/Node/Service.pm line 81 |
| 19:05.57 | babilen | mynameistux: no I am talking about identical UIDs and GIDs not names (the stuff in /etc/passwd and /etc/group) |
| 19:06.01 | Mmike | erm... sorry fot that last one :) |
| 19:06.30 | mynameistux | I'll have a look at each of those files |
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| 19:07.15 | babilen | !tell mynameistux -about nfs |
| 19:07.17 | babilen | !tell mynameistux -about nis |
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| 19:09.00 | mynameistux | those are the reasources I used to set up the nfs (which works) I just need to make sure all the permissions are right because I'm taking it to a public lan party and I don't want people messing with my stuff |
| 19:09.25 | mynameistux | dpkg didn't send me anything about nis? |
| 19:09.26 | dpkg | mynameistux: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 19:09.42 | mynameistux | just nfs |
| 19:09.49 | babilen | mynameistux: /msg dpkg nis |
| 19:10.00 | TACPILOT | nvm it is listed in the man pages |
| 19:10.33 | mynameistux | nope, didn't get anything |
| 19:10.51 | babilen | !nis |
| 19:10.51 | dpkg | nis is, like, the Network Information System. It can be used to distribute files across networks. It is commonly used to maintain staff directories and files like /etc/group. Many sysadmins hate it because it is insecure. See also <NFS>. Network Information Service, or http://www.levenez.com/NeXTSTEP/Xedoc.gif |
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| 19:12.29 | mynameistux | so it's different from nfs? |
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| 19:14.52 | Bushmills | not related to nfs |
| 19:15.00 | mynameistux | but by using NIS, I can have the same UID and GID on client and NFS server |
| 19:15.26 | mynameistux | therefore solving any permissions problems, because I would the owner of the files no matter where I go |
| 19:15.27 | mynameistux | right? |
| 19:15.31 | Bushmills | that would be possible, yes |
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| 19:16.27 | Bushmills | reason is that with nis you can have a centralized user/login list |
| 19:16.27 | babilen | mynameistux: what are you actually trying to achieve? |
| 19:16.52 | babilen | mynameistux: you can achieve the same with ldap (kerberos w00t) ... |
| 19:17.14 | mynameistux | I have a debian server with multiple HDD's set up in an LVM |
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| 19:17.47 | mynameistux | I want a system that I can easily mount with ubuntu, and ideally something that I can at least read from windows |
| 19:17.59 | babilen | hmm, samba? |
| 19:18.15 | mynameistux | I also want to be able to samba share the whole thing for lan parties "that is, all files can be read by anyone on the network" |
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| 19:19.39 | Bushmills | just remap any user to one on the server with access permissions on the files you're sharing |
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| 19:20.25 | mynameistux | remap a user? |
| 19:20.46 | mynameistux | I knew I'd someday regret not taking the time to understand this stuff |
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| 19:30.06 | mynameistux | I THINK I've gotten it working |
| 19:30.24 | mynameistux | will run it past my linux knowing friend later today to check up on it |
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| 19:31.17 | kroson | people, is there a way to revert to a previous package version after updating? |
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| 19:32.53 | pipeline | kroson: it's usually in your package cache, /var/cache/apt/archives. However: downgrading isn't really safe. Don't count on that working. |
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| 19:35.46 | Bushmills | mynameistux: yes. with nfs, the option is called all_squash. with samba, i forgot how it is called, but it exists. |
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| 19:37.56 | Arrowmaster | with samba i like to use the "map to guest = bad user" option, lets windows clients connect as a guest without getting any kind of login prompt but if you know how you can still authenticate with a proper username/password to get more than guest access |
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| 19:38.22 | ruben1194navarr1 | f |
| 19:39.20 | kroson | pipeline: if i use apt-get to force install the older version, it wont reinstall previous versions of dependencies too? |
| 19:39.39 | pipeline | kroson: no... and you would be using dpkg, not apt-get. |
| 19:39.45 | pipeline | kroson: in general, what you are attempting to do is a bad idea |
| 19:39.48 | pipeline | kroson: don't do this :P |
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| 19:40.26 | kroson | ok, tks |
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| 19:44.53 | ruben1194navarr1 | kinda hard to get debian running |
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| 19:45.08 | treebeen | 1 |
| 19:45.10 | babilen | is it? |
| 19:45.17 | Bushmills | yes. the spring loaded CD mechanisms are very tough to handle |
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| 19:47.14 | gnarface | god AMD Live! bios setting disabled in linux or not? advice? |
| 19:47.20 | gnarface | i've heard mixed information |
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| 19:47.54 | gnarface | some people say that since its not supported outside of windows media center edition you should disable it, but other people say that it castrates the frequency of your high-precision timer if you do |
| 19:48.01 | gnarface | anyone actually *know* ? |
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| 19:49.21 | pipeline | gnarface: I wouldn't worry about it either way |
| 19:49.27 | pipeline | gnarface: leave it at the default and see if you have a problem :P |
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| 19:52.49 | gnarface | pipeline: except that i *may* be having a problem but its hard to tell. i need an authoritative source of info... the last weird thing in my bios i disabled had a really weird isolated problem too |
| 19:55.07 | pzn | does user cronjobs continue do run after "usermod -e 1 username" ? it this behaviour debian specific? |
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| 20:05.18 | VladimirVelikiy | hello, i have virtualbox debian 6.0, main system windows xp, debian cant connect to internet, only localnet works, debian has ip 192.168.56.101and windows has 192.168.56.1 ip, i create getaway "sudo route add default gw 192.168.56.1" but its doesnt works |
| 20:05.18 | VladimirVelikiy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:11.06 | _pepo_ | hi friends |
| 20:11.30 | VladimirVelikiy | hi |
| 20:11.48 | VladimirVelikiy | anybody help me? |
| 20:12.22 | _pepo_ | I've updated my testing Debian to kernel 2.6.38 and xorg 7.6, but now my synaptic touchpad doesnot scrooll, do you know what is the problem? |
| 20:12.29 | justin_ | VladimirVelikiy: why are you manually messing with that stuff? |
| 20:12.52 | justin_ | VladimirVelikiy: tell virtualbox to bridge the connections, debian will just work |
| 20:14.04 | VladimirVelikiy | thanks, ii setup this just few minutes ago, will try to restart machine |
| 20:14.31 | antivigilante | what's the status on wxwidgets 2.9? |
| 20:14.41 | antivigilante | needed for bitcoin gui |
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| 20:19.51 | treebeen | gnarface: you want my authorative answer? turn it off :) |
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| 20:25.38 | VladimirVelikiy | justin_: with default settings ping 8.8.8.8 says "connect: Network is unreachable", with "sudo route add default gw 192.168.56.1" - "PING 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8) 56(84) bytes of data. connect: Network is unreachable" |
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| 20:41.01 | astartoth | hi all, has anyone tried to manually compile the kernel? I got a 465Mb linux-image .deb |
| 20:41.09 | astartoth | is this normal? |
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| 20:41.48 | Bushmills | most people use a compiler, as translating all those lines manually is a lot of work |
| 20:43.36 | mtx_init | astartoth: I have never seen one that big |
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| 20:44.04 | Bushmills | 18 MiB is the size of the last.deb i had compiled, using a compiler |
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| 20:46.14 | astartoth | mtx_init: neither have I. Reason why I'm asking if it is normal. |
| 20:46.57 | mtx_init | astartoth: maybe try again, not sure why it would be so big |
| 20:47.18 | astartoth | dloaded linux-sourcer .deb, untarred it to my homedir, pathched it with the BFS scheduler: line used: make -j 2 KDEB_PKGVERSION=someversion deb-pkg |
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| 20:48.35 | astartoth | mtx_init: that's what I'm trying to do again. Cleaned the source dir, make oldconfig again, then issued the above command to compile. it. it is compiling as we speak |
| 20:49.25 | mtx_init | hopefully it was just a fluke |
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| 20:50.06 | treebeen | astartoth: maybe debug info still around? |
| 20:50.07 | astartoth | I just have to wait and check.. else i'll be compiling the "pristine" source from kernel.org |
| 20:50.32 | astartoth | treebeen: probably. |
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| 20:51.21 | AminCX | hi, i have a little problem here. when i change the open files with ulimit -n command , after logout and relogin it's still not changed ! logged in as root . |
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| 20:52.44 | encrypt | im trying to match with grep interval 09 to 15.. trying cat maillog |grep 09'|'1[0-8] but no luck.. any tip? |
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| 20:54.38 | ddan | encrypt, can you provide few example strings that you want to get? |
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| 20:54.51 | jhutchins_lt | encrypt: Generally things like that are more often done with egrep than grep. |
| 20:54.56 | astartoth | already in the package building stage... |
| 20:56.05 | encrypt | ddan.. its a file with lots of lines beginning with "Month Day Time".. like Apr 16 00:01:00.. I want to match from 9AM to 18PM, so 09 to 18 |
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| 20:57.47 | mads- | Hi. I have just installed debian on my laptop and I have a problem booting. I installed with USB pen and netinstall, and now the laptop will only startup with the USB stick in. WIthout the USB stick in, it will just stay blank as if there is no OS at all and with the USB stick in it will boot normally from GRUB. |
| 20:58.19 | treebeen | mads-: so GRUB was installed to the USB instead of the HDD |
| 20:58.20 | jhutchins_lt | mads-: Is this squeeze (6.0.x)? |
| 20:58.38 | mads- | treebeen makes sense. How do I repair this? |
| 20:58.48 | jhutchins_lt | mads-: Boot with the usb stick in, run grub-install /dev/sda |
| 20:58.48 | mads- | jhutchins_lt, yes it is. x64 even |
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| 20:58.58 | jhutchins_lt | mads-: Did it to me too. |
| 20:59.11 | treebeen | mads-: boot into the system, remove the usb, "update-grub" |
| 20:59.28 | mads- | thank you both. I will do that |
| 20:59.32 | treebeen | hmm, not sure though if that works |
| 20:59.33 | jhutchins_lt | mads-: Did you use unetbootin? update-grub won't do it. |
| 20:59.46 | jhutchins_lt | treebeen: update-grub just updates menu.list |
| 20:59.55 | treebeen | jhutchins_lt: yeah, sorry |
| 20:59.58 | jhutchins_lt | np |
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| 21:00.04 | mads- | jhutchins_lt, yes I did. |
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| 21:00.16 | jhutchins_lt | mads-: Yeah, must be the same one I used. |
| 21:00.19 | mads- | So I'm gonna run grub-install /dev/sda |
| 21:00.50 | jhutchins_lt | It would probably be smart to check fdisk -l and make sure /dev/sda is the hard drive, not the usb, but it was fine for me. |
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| 21:01.18 | lynx_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.35 | lynx_ | Is anyone here fluent with Linux computer-specific identification files/names? |
| 21:01.38 | lynx_ | like /etc/hostname, etc |
| 21:01.59 | jhutchins_lt | lynx_: To what purpose? |
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| 21:02.48 | lynx_ | well like in Windows, there's Computer Name, Workgroup, NTFS Volume ID, Windows registration key, etc |
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| 21:03.02 | mads- | root@servzilla:/home/mads# grub-install /dev/sda |
| 21:03.03 | mads- | Installation finished. No error reported. |
| 21:03.14 | mads- | Ooops, sorry for paste. But is that just it then? :) |
| 21:03.19 | lynx_ | I wanted to know the equivalents in Linux other than /etc/hostname |
| 21:03.23 | jhutchins_lt | mads-: unmount USB, remove, reboot. |
| 21:03.31 | lynx_ | Recently I was wrongly banned from a computer game |
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| 21:04.05 | mads- | jhutchins_lt Thank you :) And since this is the first time I use Debian I must say that I'm happy to have chosen a system with such a good community. |
| 21:04.34 | lynx_ | is there a regmon for linux |
| 21:04.36 | jhutchins_lt | mads-: It's a nice feature <grin>. |
| 21:04.43 | lynx_ | I know filemon is similar to lsof |
| 21:05.01 | lynx_ | just wondered if linux has a registry |
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| 21:05.23 | jhutchins_lt | lynx_: Not gonna work. Besides which, when they catch you, they will be completely unsympathetic to any excuses - evading a ban is grounds for a permanent ban. |
| 21:05.38 | mads- | Is there a get-started-on-debian-guide? :) I'm coming from ubuntu, so it's just the small things I need to know though |
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| 21:06.12 | lynx_ | Would I have to reformat the hard drive? or could I leave the file system intact |
| 21:06.18 | lynx_ | I want to reinstall Debian 6.0 |
| 21:06.49 | lapfrog | lawl |
| 21:07.23 | jhutchins_lt | lynx_: That won'd do any good. I can still ID you. |
| 21:07.34 | lynx_ | yeah with mac address |
| 21:07.36 | treebeen | lynx_: just because of the game? maybe try to find out what they are looking for |
| 21:07.43 | HaPyT0 | hi gays, anybody speak on russian language??? |
| 21:07.45 | lynx_ | yeah that's what I'm doing |
| 21:07.51 | jhutchins_lt | !ru |
| 21:07.52 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here. |
| 21:07.54 | ompaul | mads-: it is far too broad, so really what I would suggest is get a look at the debian docs in its wiki site |
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| 21:08.02 | lynx_ | are there any ways to find out what they are looking for other than the lsof command? |
| 21:08.08 | lynx_ | like a debugger maybe? |
| 21:08.11 | HaPyT0 | dpkg, Ok thanks |
| 21:08.12 | dpkg | hapyt0: no problem d00d |
| 21:08.28 | ompaul | HaPyT0: that is the channel bot ;-) |
| 21:08.31 | jhutchins_lt | lynx_: You should work out whatever the ban was for rather than trying to scam them. |
| 21:08.41 | lynx_ | true |
| 21:08.45 | ompaul | lynx_: the internet has a long memory |
| 21:08.59 | lynx_ | Like I said, I was wrongly banned, iut said I was banned for "cheating" when I am using Linux, there are no cheats for the linux version |
| 21:08.59 | mads- | I know I can turn off gnome with /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop - is there a way for me to turn off the screen all together ? |
| 21:09.05 | mads- | (It's a laptop) |
| 21:09.17 | HaPyT0 | ompaul, =))) |
| 21:09.20 | HaPyT0 | ompaul, I |
| 21:09.34 | ompaul | lynx_: work that out with the people dealing with the game - we really don't want to know about your other politics |
| 21:09.35 | astartoth | mads-: what do you mean? to preventing gnome to start on computer boot? |
| 21:09.40 | HaPyT0 | 'm, noobe, |
| 21:09.47 | astartoth | to prevent, i mean |
| 21:09.54 | lynx_ | YEah that's what I hate about the internet nowadays compared to several years ago |
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| 21:10.32 | mads- | astartoth, no, just turn off the laptop monitor. When I have turned off gnome it just a black screen with a cursor blinking on it |
| 21:10.42 | treebeen | mads-: vbetool dpms off |
| 21:11.24 | treebeen | mads-: but it won't turn no again, until you write "vbetool dpms on" |
| 21:11.29 | treebeen | *on |
| 21:11.57 | mads- | treebeen, it doens't turn on even with "vbetool dpms on" |
| 21:12.18 | treebeen | off you mean? |
| 21:12.31 | mads- | No, I mean on. |
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| 21:12.36 | mads- | It has been turned off now. |
| 21:12.50 | treebeen | with the vbetool command? |
| 21:12.51 | mads- | But with "vbetool dpms on" it doesn't turn on again |
| 21:13.03 | mads- | Yeah |
| 21:13.05 | babilen | mads-: you never said that turning it back on is important ;) |
| 21:13.22 | mads- | babilen, it isn't. But could be nice :P |
| 21:13.40 | treebeen | mads-: ssh into the machine and try some stuff... |
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| 21:15.23 | astartoth | this isn't definitely normal, I'm getting a huge .deb for my custom kernel_image |
| 21:15.24 | babilen | mads-: try to play with "xrandr" (man xrandr) in particular "xrandr --output LVDS --auto" |
| 21:16.05 | treebeen | ah, just saw there is also "setterm -blank <min>", never tried that though |
| 21:16.18 | treebeen | babilen: no X |
| 21:17.02 | babilen | ah, ok. |
| 21:17.08 | treebeen | mads-: maybe just startx and it will work again :) |
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| 21:18.14 | mads- | Doesn't seem to be working :P I'll go to war with google then :) |
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| 21:22.12 | treebeen | if "dpms on" doesn't work I would say there is something wrong with the power management... |
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| 21:23.17 | astartoth | 462Mlinux-image-2.6.38-ck1_2.6.38-ck-aur1_amd64.deb |
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| 21:23.32 | astartoth | again: 462 M. |
| 21:24.31 | astartoth | any ideas? |
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| 21:26.54 | astartoth | there, the line I used. should I use make-kpkg? |
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| 21:36.45 | treebeen | astartoth: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en |
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| 21:37.46 | philluminati | Hi Guys. I have a question. I'm using Debian 6 stable... but I can't install firebug for iceweasel. What would people suggest? Temporary add unstable and experimental to my sources.list and install a newer version of iceweasel? |
| 21:37.59 | errig | How do i FIX THE WARNING THAT TELLS ME s.m.a.r.t DAEMON ISN'T STARTING |
| 21:38.17 | errig | sorry I meant to capitalize smart |
| 21:38.47 | philluminati | I want to keep everything using the stable packages if I can to be honest. I don't want to run a bleeding edge debian install |
| 21:39.25 | astartoth | treebeen: it suggests the use of make-kpkg |
| 21:39.59 | astartoth | I'm following the kernel handbook on alioth. it suggests the use of make KDEB_PKGVERSION opposed to make-kpkg |
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| 21:43.15 | treebeen | philluminati: actually firebug worked the last time I've tried it with iceweasel. |
| 21:43.29 | daemon | errig, the smart daemon is always running |
| 21:44.35 | philluminati | :-s hmmmm |
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| 21:46.26 | treebeen | philluminati: ah, it's because the new version doesn't support < 4.0 |
| 21:46.52 | philluminati | yeah, the addon can't be installed from fresh I think |
| 21:46.53 | treebeen | philluminati: either you use an older firebug or you could install FF 4 from mozilla directly |
| 21:47.11 | philluminati | I saw a package iceweasel-firebug in apt but it doesn't do anything / work |
| 21:47.41 | treebeen | mixing stable and unstable isn't a very good idea IMO |
| 21:47.46 | philluminati | Yeah I'm going to try and get FF4 straight from the internet |
| 21:48.21 | treebeen | philluminati: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/firebug/versions/ |
| 21:48.30 | treebeen | you can get a working firebug there |
| 21:48.58 | AminCX | when i change the open files with ulimit -n command , after logout and relogin it's still not changed ! logged in as root . |
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| 21:49.32 | treebeen | AminCX: have you tried setting it in /etc/security/limits.conf ? |
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| 21:50.41 | AminCX | treebeen: yes, and of course the pam settings, but still have the problem. |
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| 21:54.22 | philluminati | I have missing dependencies for running the version of ff4 off the net. Another way is to use this repo? deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports iceweasel-4.0 |
| 21:54.48 | philluminati | How do I turn off the signature warnings in aptitude please? Sorry I'm new from another distro |
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| 21:55.27 | philluminati | How do I know where the key will be on the Interet? |
| 21:56.50 | philluminati | Sorry it's on the website. Don't worry. And thank you guys |
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| 22:05.31 | philluminati | I can't do it. apt blew up |
| 22:05.31 | philluminati | Can't install ff4 |
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| 22:05.31 | philluminati | opera doesn't have an interaction development console |
| 22:05.47 | philluminati | going to have to install chrome even though I hate it |
| 22:05.54 | treebeen | philluminati: chromium has, but why don't you just use the old firebug? |
| 22:06.41 | philluminati | It won't install |
| 22:07.17 | treebeen | philluminati: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/firebug/versions/ |
| 22:07.20 | treebeen | on this page |
| 22:07.31 | philluminati | alright I'll give it a try |
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| 22:07.35 | treebeen | scroll down, install the one that has the button |
| 22:07.36 | philluminati | thank you |
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| 22:09.01 | philluminati | :-) yeah a version 1.5.4 looks to have worked. Thank you |
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| 22:09.19 | philluminati | I don't know why I didn't think of this first |
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| 22:12.34 | cheasee | im trying to get omnikey3021usb to work, i installed the driver and got pcscd running, im just not sure which device to use? syslog doesnt show a device related... |
| 22:12.52 | cheasee | /proc/bus/usb/devices file doesnt exist |
| 22:13.20 | philluminati | lol I restarted firefox to get firebug to work and when I restarted it was firefox 4 |
| 22:13.28 | cheasee | lsusb shows the card reader properly and pcscd also tells properly when i insert or remove a card but i dont know how to access the card with other apps |
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| 22:14.53 | babilen | philluminati: What happens if you try to install icweasel 4 from the mozilla.debian.org repo? "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install iceweasel" -- Show us what you mean by "apt blew up" on http://paste.debian.net (exact command+output) |
| 22:15.52 | philluminati | Sorry I don't have the logs, but got to what I recall being pretty much the last step and said 9 updates [-4] or something like that |
| 22:17.22 | philluminati | as if it exited with an error code |
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| 22:30.32 | MeglaW | what do i need to a disk to boot install from that verry same hdd? |
| 22:30.50 | Sivik | what is the best way to determine hd#,# for grub? |
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| 22:34.23 | sakal | anyone know led caps can be broken? I have lang switch by caps, before all time led works fine, but last week it's doesn't work |
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| 22:35.55 | Sivik | how do I get grub2 to see my windows install on a different harddrive? |
| 22:36.27 | streuner | Is os-prober installed? |
| 22:36.48 | Sivik | Yes. |
| 22:37.21 | streuner | and update-grub doesnt care about windows at all? |
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| 22:37.40 | Sivik | streuner, it doesn't find it no matter what I put for the hd#,# in the 40_custom file in grub.d |
| 22:37.53 | justin_ | Sivik: i've always used the grub find command |
| 22:38.00 | Sivik | justin_, how do you do that? |
| 22:38.11 | jhutchins_lt | siya: Usually you just need to run update-grub after the first reboot. |
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| 22:38.31 | justin_ | no sure if grub2 still has that, but in grub you could do like: find /boot and it would tell you which partitino it was on |
| 22:38.31 | unomystEz | anyone know how to install jre 6? |
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| 22:38.54 | Sivik | justin_, I cannot get to the grub command prompt, i'm already in the os |
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| 22:39.20 | justin_ | oh |
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| 22:39.35 | Sivik | streuner, anything? |
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| 22:42.54 | streuner | Sivik: try this http://wiki.debian.org/Grub#Dual_Boot |
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| 22:44.49 | Sivik | streuner, added the line in the /etc/default/grub but it is still not finding windows partition. How do i determine what I need to add in the 40_custom for the line to fine the windows install? |
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| 22:46.18 | Sivik | streuner, I see a way to do it in windows but I cannot get back into windows because grub is not seeing it. |
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| 23:15.43 | errig | is there any help for dhcdbd errors message handler not found? Or is there a web page that tells how to remove dhcdbd from debian lenny |
| 23:21.03 | errig | is there any help for dhcdbd errors message handler not found? Or is there a web page that tells how to remove dhcdbd from debian lenny |
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| 23:31.16 | Arm | hi, I've been trying to make udev STOP CREATING /dev/fd0 because there's NO DISQUETTE UNIT. I've searched on google about this, but all I get is stupid bug reports about it not creating it... no clue how to actually disable it's creation. Any hint? |
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| 23:35.09 | MrFrood | Arm: just an idea - may be be totally idiotic but... have you tried disableing the floppy controller at bios level? |
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| 23:36.02 | jon8 | how can i downgrade from bash4.1 on debian squeeze and goto something more useful that doesnt break existing scripts.. say, bash 3.1? :D |
| 23:36.03 | Arm | MrFrood: I think I've done that, but didn't work. What I currently do is add a simple rm /dev/fd0 in the init scripts |
| 23:36.19 | Arm | because I've found nowhere how to disable it's creation |
| 23:36.50 | Arm | jon8: something more useful doesn't go in the same line with bash. Get zsh. Period. |
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| 23:38.15 | MrFrood | jon8: the default sh on Debian is DASH, al long as your scripts use the correct bang styntax nothing should break |
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| 23:39.21 | crohakon | Can anyone suggest a good tutorial on setting up a firewall in a debian no gui server environment? |
| 23:39.29 | MrFrood | slaps Arm - everyone knows that ksh is the one true shell to rule them all ;) |
| 23:40.02 | Arm | MrFrood: does ksh have a decent globbing? |
| 23:40.10 | babilen | crohakon: http://www.frozentux.net/documents/iptables-tutorial/ |
| 23:40.22 | Arm | say I want to delete all .txt from the past hour: rm *.txt(mh-1) |
| 23:40.31 | Arm | MrFrood: how would you do that in ksh? |
| 23:43.14 | Arm | MrFrood: if you don't reply in the next 20 minutes, I'll disregard your comment about ksh 8-) |
| 23:43.15 | MrFrood | Arm: my scripting sucks - I stick with ksh93 because it is what I know (started out on ksh88) but I here zsh does a pretty good ksh emulation if you want to try (even installs a /bin/ksh if I remeber right?) |
| 23:43.34 | Arm | not sure |
| 23:43.36 | Arm | but anyway |
| 23:43.39 | Arm | zsh is the definite shell |
| 23:43.40 | MrFrood | *hear :-/ |
| 23:43.58 | Arm | learn zsh and you won't want to touch anything else ever again |
| 23:45.27 | MrFrood | Arm: http://v6shell.org/ is the shell for you :P |
| 23:46.33 | Arm | what's special about it? |
| 23:47.06 | Arm | looks like a half assed shell to me, no offense |
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| 23:47.15 | babilen | Arm: does it work with unicode now? |
| 23:47.29 | Arm | babilen: what, zsh? of course |
| 23:47.35 | crohakon | Is there a simple way of setting up a firewall in a none-gui environment? |
| 23:47.51 | Arm | crohakon: only if we can get rid of iptables |
| 23:48.03 | Arm | because it's total crap it's way of rules definition |
| 23:48.12 | MrFrood | Arm: it's as near as you can get to the original sh on a modern system - a port of the Thompson shell from UNIX 6 - hence my :-P at the end... |
| 23:48.29 | babilen | Arm: Not that "of course" -- It had serious problems last time I tried. Liked the shell, but that was unacceptable. |
| 23:48.31 | Arm | I'm not fond of "original flavors", but of "useful flavors" |
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| 23:48.49 | crohakon | Arm, so I take it iptables is not popular? |
| 23:49.05 | Arm | crohakon: no, it's the standard, but sucks hardcore if you ask me |
| 23:49.23 | Arm | the easiest way to get it up is: do ssh X forwarding, then run firestarter |
| 23:49.34 | Arm | that's what I do at least... |
| 23:49.37 | Arm | works for me |
| 23:49.42 | crohakon | Looking at tutorials it looks like a lot of work to just tell your OS to drop connects to ports... |
| 23:49.43 | Arm | and I don't have to deal with that rubbish |
| 23:49.50 | Arm | yeah |
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| 23:50.16 | MrFrood | Arm: that's a wussy way to to do it ;) |
| 23:50.18 | Arm | that's why it's total crap. Overly complex rules with not anywhere-near intutive syntaxes, to do trivial shit |
| 23:50.26 | casts | crohakon: it's trivial |
| 23:50.45 | babilen | !tell crohakon about firewall |
| 23:50.56 | Arm | MrFrood: nope, I'm just busy here to deal with that kind of awkwardness |
| 23:51.00 | crohakon | How important is a firewall on a linux system? |
| 23:51.12 | casts | crohakon: not very |
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| 23:51.22 | crohakon | I mean, if a service is not running on a port than the port is closed, yes? |
| 23:51.22 | Arm | crohakon: as long as you don't open stuff in an uncontrolled manner, useless |
| 23:51.30 | Arm | crohakon: right |
| 23:51.32 | babilen | crohakon: http://wiki.debian.org/Firewalls for a good overview of frontends .. you might like fwbuilder |
| 23:51.49 | babilen | crohakon: Why do you need a firewall? |
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| 23:52.13 | crohakon | Well, than I will not worry about it. I check htop and iftop religiously to see what is running.. so I think I will be fine |
| 23:52.37 | casts | i like how somene will,say, run a web server on port 80 and set iptables to drop all the packets going to the closed ports, but allow those going to 80 |
| 23:53.13 | jon8 | MrFrood you stilll there? how come, [[ "$1" "[tT][eE][sS][tT]$" ]]; doesn't work under bash 4.1? |
| 23:53.34 | Riviera | maybe you miss the = |
| 23:53.43 | jon8 | sorry.. |
| 23:53.46 | Riviera | or maybe the =~ |
| 23:53.46 | jon8 | thats not right |
| 23:53.48 | jon8 | its.. |
| 23:53.57 | jon8 | [[ "$1" =~ "[tT][eE][sS][tT]$" ]]; |
| 23:54.01 | jon8 | does not work under bash4.1 |
| 23:54.04 | babilen | crohakon: The frozentux tutorial is for people who want to design actual firewalls ... a bit much if you are not interested in it |
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| 23:55.22 | Riviera | jon8: don't double-quote the regular expression |
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| 23:55.56 | Riviera | jon8: also, you don't need double-quotes around the $1 (but they don't do any harm) |
| 23:55.58 | jon8 | i've tried removing the quots around the regex |
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| 23:56.20 | jon8 | [[ "$1" =~ [tT][eE][sS][tT]$ ]]; |
| 23:56.22 | jon8 | also does not work |
| 23:56.28 | casts | stop guessing |
| 23:56.35 | jon8 | i get [[: not found |
| 23:56.37 | jon8 | =( |
| 23:57.17 | Arm | jon8: how about if [ "$1" =~ "[tT][eE][sS][tT]$" ]; then ... else ... fi |
| 23:57.17 | Riviera | jon8: that's not an error message bash generates. |
| 23:57.32 | Riviera | Arm: no |
| 23:57.44 | Riviera | Arm: =~ is an operator of [[ |
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| 23:58.23 | jon8 | :P |
| 23:58.49 | jon8 | Riviera if thats an error message bash generates.. then how come its erroring and not working :D |
| 23:59.13 | Riviera | jon8: That's what I said: It is not. |
| 23:59.50 | Riviera | jon8: How do you start your script / shell? |
