| 00:01.18 | jon8 | Riviera, ./check.sh test |
| 00:01.21 | jon8 | returns.. |
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| 00:01.28 | jon8 | ./check.sh: 8: [[: not found |
| 00:01.32 | Riviera | jon8: okay |
| 00:01.45 | Riviera | jon8: what is the output of: head -n 1 check.sh |
| 00:02.00 | jon8 | #!/bin/sh |
| 00:02.01 | jon8 | ofc |
| 00:02.09 | Riviera | jon8: sh is not bash. |
| 00:02.52 | Riviera | jon8: change that line to #!/bin/bash |
| 00:03.12 | Riviera | jon8: or wherever else that bash shell you want to use is installed to. |
| 00:03.22 | jon8 | wow |
| 00:03.25 | jon8 | i feel fucking dumb |
| 00:03.42 | jon8 | i'm going to go on amazon and order a rope and a stool now |
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| 00:03.55 | Riviera | jon8: also, for greater portability, put the regular expression in a variable, there was a change in the syntax for that in bash3 |
| 00:04.08 | jon8 | ok |
| 00:04.10 | jon8 | thanks Riviera :) |
| 00:04.14 | Riviera | :) |
| 00:04.50 | jon8 | i'm going to go on amazon and order a rope and a stool now |
| 00:04.50 | jon8 | ^^ |
| 00:05.41 | Riviera | about that, go to http://www.reddit.com/r/suicidewatch |
| 00:05.48 | jelly-home | jon8: or use something less buggy and more portable than bash 4.1, like, say, "grep" |
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| 00:06.58 | jelly-home | a=retest; if echo "$a" | grep -qi test; then echo it works; else echo nope; fi |
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| 00:08.27 | jelly-home | granted, -q is a GNU grep only syntax, but easily replaced with >/dev/null |
| 00:08.36 | Riviera | jelly-home: no, it's portable. |
| 00:08.47 | Riviera | jelly-home: as is -i |
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| 00:09.04 | Riviera | s/portable/POSIX/ |
| 00:09.07 | jelly-home | Riviera: -q isn't present everywhere |
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| 00:10.59 | Bushmills | jon8: if [[ "${1,,}" == "test" ]]; then... |
| 00:11.33 | Riviera | :D |
| 00:12.04 | Riviera | Bushmills: cute; there also is nocasematch, btw. |
| 00:13.19 | Bushmills | Riviera: didn't come across that one yet. bash3 feature? |
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| 00:14.14 | Riviera | Bushmills: yes |
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| 00:14.36 | Gryllida | What is the debian command to install apache modules? |
| 00:14.57 | Bushmills | install or enable? |
| 00:16.09 | Gryllida | It was some 5-letter short command which listed a few dozens of modules |
| 00:16.24 | babilen | Gryllida: a2enmod? |
| 00:16.59 | Gryllida | That's it. |
| 00:17.16 | Bushmills | accurate letter count :P |
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| 00:17.46 | lulzyboy2 | guys how can i lower fan speed in debian |
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| 00:18.30 | Bushmills | check out fancontrol |
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| 00:19.17 | lulzyboy2 | where can i find it or is it command line |
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| 00:20.08 | Bushmills | it is a package by that name, and a command in that package |
| 00:20.48 | lulzyboy2 | theres also thinkacpi? |
| 00:20.50 | Bushmills | essentially, it is a backgrounded script |
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| 00:21.40 | lulzyboy2 | ive set the bios to low but its still 4000rpm |
| 00:23.17 | Bushmills | fancontrol regulates fan speed in response to CPU temperature |
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| 00:24.46 | lulzyboy2 | got any guide? |
| 00:24.50 | lulzyboy2 | cant seem to find one |
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| 00:25.05 | Bushmills | its man page |
| 00:25.15 | lulzyboy2 | yes |
| 00:25.49 | lulzyboy2 | /usr/sbin/pwmconfig: No sensors found! (modprobe sensor modules?) |
| 00:26.00 | Bushmills | afaik, no book have been written and publshed about fancontrol |
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| 00:27.38 | NoReflex | hello! I upgraded my debian lenny to squeeze but I need the latest kernel (2.6.38) because of some issues with the mvsas driver. is there a backport for squeeze or do I have to upgrade to sid? |
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| 00:27.50 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 00:27.52 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-3); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-3); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 00:28.28 | NoReflex | I guess this means no :( |
| 00:28.33 | jelly-home | NoReflex: you don't have to "upgrade to sid", replacing the kernel isn't hard |
| 00:29.10 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell NoReflex about d-k |
| 00:29.23 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell NoReflex about make-kpkg |
| 00:29.53 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell NoReflex about kernel compile |
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| 00:30.18 | jelly-home | sorry, I couldn't guess the factoid pointing to the wiki page |
| 00:30.19 | babilen | NoReflex: Or just download the sid package + linux-base and install it manually (or with aptitude after setting the default release -- make sure to install *nothing else than linux-image-... and linux-base) |
| 00:30.57 | NoReflex | babilen, is that safe? |
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| 00:31.10 | babilen | if done correcly, yes |
| 00:31.56 | jelly-home | except sometimes it's not ;-) |
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| 00:46.53 | mostym | hey guys. |
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| 00:57.09 | Tordek | how can I install How can I install debian on btrfs-raid0? The debian installer wants me to use the partitioner, but it's not doing what I want it to |
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| 01:05.05 | Tordek | is there any way to hand-tune the partition setup? I can't seem to be able to set the debian installer to do what I want it to do with the installer's partitioner |
| 01:06.29 | casts | select manual partitioning, go nuts |
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| 01:07.44 | Tordek | casts: "manual" partitioning just gets me the pseudo-graphical partitioner which wants me to select mount points |
| 01:08.10 | Tordek | and it doesn't do The Right ThinĀ® |
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| 01:13.18 | NoReflex | babilen, I've decided to try and update only the packages you mentioned (linux-base and kernel 2.6.38). Can you please point me to the correct packages? I don't want to make a mistake here |
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| 01:17.23 | NoReflex | babilen, are these the correct packages? http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6.38-2-amd64 and http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kernel/linux-base ? |
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| 01:21.49 | babilen | yup -- but you can easily compile it yourslf if you feel better that way |
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| 01:22.25 | babilen | http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage or /msg dpkg make-kpkg |
| 01:24.21 | NoReflex | babilen, I'd rather not compile it because it takes a long time ... and unfortunately I don't have the time right now |
| 01:24.28 | babilen | k |
| 01:24.50 | NoReflex | so wget && dpkg -i should do it, right? |
| 01:25.15 | babilen | yes + reboot ;) |
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| 01:25.34 | NoReflex | ok; trying now, thx! |
| 01:25.45 | babilen | note that you *don't* get security updates automatically if you got his way |
| 01:25.57 | babilen | s/got/go |
| 01:27.03 | NoReflex | babilen, this machine runs only a database server ... it does not have "contact" with the Internet |
| 01:27.57 | babilen | wonderful, what do you need the .38 kernel for if I may ask? |
| 01:28.00 | babilen | (just curious) |
| 01:28.43 | NoReflex | babilen, I needed for the mvsas driver ... I must add a Adaptec 1045 card ... and on a test machine it did not function properly with 2.6.32 |
| 01:29.36 | babilen | do you have the pciid? |
| 01:30.01 | babilen | can't you compile a newer module version out of the kernel tree? |
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| 01:30.43 | babilen | but meh, if .38 works for you it works for you and you even get process grouping :) |
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| 01:31.44 | NoReflex | babilen, didn't try to compile a module so far ... is it difficult? |
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| 01:35.34 | NoReflex | babilen, I'm installing 2.6.38 now ... it complains that some firmware files may be missing (radeon firmware files from what I can see) |
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| 01:36.08 | babilen | I guess you have all the firmware you need installed already |
| 01:36.21 | babilen | but you might want to check that |
| 01:37.13 | NoReflex | it seems to have installed fine ... I have a ATI ES1000 videocard ... X is not installed |
| 01:37.41 | babilen | sure |
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| 01:50.41 | NoReflex | babilen, unfortunately it does not work with 2.6.38 either. it's just odd that on a test computer it worked with 2.6.38 but on this one it just hangs when trying to detect the devices :( |
| 01:51.42 | babilen | sigh, ok. I'm not going to start working on that right now. Come back tomorrow/monday and we'll have a look. (BST here ;) |
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| 01:53.51 | NoReflex | on the test computer after powering up the drives for the first time I had to wait about 180 seconds for the kernel to boot (it would say bug soft lockup cpu#0 for 61s) and after that it would continue booting and the drives were correctly identified. subsequent reboots would be normal (no lockup). but if I stopped the drives the whole process would re-start - any of this sound familiar? |
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| 01:54.36 | NoReflex | on this computer it says the same - hang for 66s but even after 5 minutes it won't continue booting like on the other one |
| 01:55.03 | NoReflex | babilen, EEST here :) 5 A.M. |
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| 01:55.38 | NoReflex | anyway ... I will try and see if I can find the culprit; thank you again for your time |
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| 02:02.36 | Diytto | Hey |
| 02:02.38 | Diytto | So |
| 02:02.54 | Diytto | I have a computer that can boot to bios, but detects no hard drives |
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| 02:03.33 | Diytto | Anyone know how I can get it to read the hard drive in it? |
| 02:03.33 | waisted | Hi all how do i get netwrok manager back to my pannel |
| 02:03.49 | waisted | it just disapeared on its own |
| 02:04.11 | NoReflex | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.24 | Diytto | Yes |
| 02:04.32 | Diytto | EIDE/SATA |
| 02:05.04 | Diytto | I can give you the model number if you want |
| 02:05.07 | dvs | Diytto: It can't be both |
| 02:05.13 | NoReflex | waisted, nm-applet ? |
| 02:05.20 | Diytto | Oh |
| 02:05.21 | Diytto | Hold on |
| 02:05.30 | waisted | yeah i cant find it |
| 02:05.33 | Diytto | Its SATA |
| 02:05.36 | waisted | it looks like it got uninstalled some how |
| 02:05.36 | Diytto | sorry :p |
| 02:05.46 | waisted | installing it back again |
| 02:06.29 | NoReflex | Diytto, if the drive was IDE(PATA) it could have been a jumper setting problem ... but with SATA this can't be the issue |
| 02:06.36 | Diytto | It is a HDS722580VLSA80 |
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| 02:07.15 | NoReflex | Diytto, is the drive functioning? can you test it in another computer? |
| 02:07.15 | Diytto | Well it is plugged in... I don't know how to get it to work :s |
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| 02:07.26 | Diytto | NoReflex: It does function |
| 02:07.30 | Diytto | It worked previously |
| 02:08.03 | NoReflex | Diytto, is the SATA port enabled in BIOS? also first check the power cable and data cable |
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| 02:08.17 | Diytto | They are both in |
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| 02:08.27 | Diytto | Gimme a sec |
| 02:09.01 | Diytto | Yep theyre both good |
| 02:09.05 | Diytto | Lemme check bios |
| 02:09.06 | tux0 | xclipboard just caused my system to lock up :'( |
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| 02:11.27 | Diytto | Okay i am in bios |
| 02:12.20 | Diytto | Okay i went to advanced > drive configuration > |
| 02:12.34 | Diytto | It shows its there |
| 02:14.55 | NoReflex | Diytto, ok ... so the drive is being recognized in BIOS - this is what you wanted, right? |
| 02:15.09 | Diytto | Yea |
| 02:15.15 | Diytto | Now the problem is |
| 02:15.28 | Diytto | When it tries to boot, it "dies" and reboots |
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| 02:16.25 | Diytto | Any ideas |
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| 02:17.23 | NoReflex | any error message? do you have debian installed on that drive? |
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| 02:18.03 | Diytto | No errors |
| 02:18.06 | Diytto | And no i do not |
| 02:18.23 | Diytto | Im trying to install it :/ |
| 02:18.33 | Diytto | It wont boot to anything though |
| 02:19.06 | NoReflex | what are you trying to boot the installer from? CD, USB stick? |
| 02:19.33 | Diytto | Cd |
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| 02:24.21 | NoReflex | Diytto, this seems more like a corrupt CD or some other problem .... I don't think the HDD is the problem |
| 02:24.30 | Diytto | :o |
| 02:24.39 | Diytto | Got it to boot to windoes |
| 02:24.42 | Diytto | Windows* |
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| 02:30.08 | negaduck | what's the defference between 2-5 runlevels? The second is default, but i boot third because otherwise my keyboard doesn't work in xorg. Can't figure out why. |
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| 02:36.05 | Walex | negaduck: for some reason Debian does not make a difference between runlevels. |
| 02:36.46 | lulzyboy2 | uys |
| 02:36.47 | lulzyboy2 | guys |
| 02:36.55 | lulzyboy2 | Network: device not managed |
| 02:37.06 | lulzyboy2 | any idea how to fix this? it was working fine |
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| 02:52.50 | cirdan | evening all. can anyone help me get rid of a permissions error with amavisd-new and spamd? everything seems to be right but I keep getting logs in syslog |
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| 02:59.36 | ConquestAce | hi guys |
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| 03:01.48 | Resilience | hello to everyone, I'm using debian testing, is it still ok to put aditional information for alsa modules in /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf? or everything alsa must be in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf? |
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| 03:15.12 | lulzyboy | how can i remove all my networking? |
| 03:16.45 | ZykoticK9 | lulzyboy, if nm-applet is saying "not managed" you have something set in /etc/network/interfaces, which disables network manager controlling the device |
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| 03:17.08 | lulzyboy | yeah ive got around that, but i have extra devices and mysqld is failing to start now saying it cant bind |
| 03:17.13 | lulzyboy | when the networking seems to work |
| 03:17.41 | ZykoticK9 | lulzyboy, sorry, i can't assist with that. best of luck. |
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| 03:18.12 | lulzyboy | hmm |
| 03:18.17 | lulzyboy | mysqld.sock doesnt exist |
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| 03:19.32 | lulzyboy | ah |
| 03:19.34 | lulzyboy | its my loopback |
| 03:19.37 | lulzyboy | how can i fix that? |
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| 03:20.25 | ddan | lulzyboy, check if in your /etc/network/interfaces theres something like "auto lo" |
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| 03:21.37 | lulzyboy | http://pastebin.ca/2047341 |
| 03:21.45 | lulzyboy | there is like that |
| 03:22.21 | ddan | seems fine then |
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| 03:22.44 | lulzyboy | but if i ifconfig i dont get any loopback |
| 03:22.45 | ddan | you should have the lo interface if you do "sudo ifconfig" in the terminal |
| 03:22.52 | ddan | oh |
| 03:22.52 | lulzyboy | nope |
| 03:22.54 | lulzyboy | i used to |
| 03:22.55 | lulzyboy | now i dont |
| 03:23.11 | ddan | and its happened after what kind of task? |
| 03:23.15 | lulzyboy | apt-get upgrade |
| 03:23.30 | ddan | what kind of packages got involved? |
| 03:23.36 | lulzyboy | a lot of upgrades |
| 03:23.46 | lulzyboy | hadnt done it in about 2 months |
| 03:24.38 | ddan | what if you do sudo ifconfig lo up |
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| 03:24.57 | lulzyboy | root@server:/etc/init.d# ifconfig lo up |
| 03:24.57 | lulzyboy | root@server:/etc/init.d# |
| 03:24.59 | lulzyboy | just moved on |
| 03:25.04 | ddan | sudo ifconfig lo |
| 03:25.07 | ddan | you should see it up |
| 03:25.18 | lulzyboy | lo Link encap:Local Loopback |
| 03:25.18 | lulzyboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.18 | lulzyboy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:25.29 | ddan | yeah its up |
| 03:25.31 | lulzyboy | so it works if i do it manually |
| 03:25.33 | lulzyboy | but not automatically |
| 03:25.39 | ddan | seems so |
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| 03:25.49 | lulzyboy | never had that before |
| 03:26.26 | ddan | anyway that solves your problems? |
| 03:26.57 | lulzyboy | no cuz i need to up every time lol |
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| 03:27.12 | ddan | lol i mean just now, at the moment |
| 03:27.25 | lulzyboy | yes for now |
| 03:28.19 | ddan | i guess you can put a "ifconfig lo up" instead of the "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback", but im not sure |
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| 03:29.01 | Resilience | hello to everyone, I'm using debian testing, is it still ok to put aditional information for alsa modules in /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf? or everything alsa must be in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf? |
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| 03:30.19 | Sivik | can I get some assistance with windows not getting added to grub? |
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| 03:30.41 | ddan | Resilience, not sure about it, but i guess its not a big problem for you to just rename that file |
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| 03:32.12 | ddan | Sivik, did you try using "sudo update-grub" from a terminal? |
| 03:32.13 | Resilience | ddan, no, I don't want to rename that file, I want the "default debian configuration" go to /etc/modprobe.d/als-base.conf and that my own configuration go to /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf (I have some old debian configured this way and it worked all right) |
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| 03:32.51 | Sivik | ddan, that is what I am doing and windows never shows up no matter what I add in the 40_custom |
| 03:33.03 | Sivik | my windows is installed in /dev/sda1 and debian is /dev/sdc3 |
| 03:33.06 | ddan | Resilience, i guess you can just symlink the old file to the new file |
| 03:33.30 | ddan | Sivik, did you try mounting windows and then re-using update-grub? |
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| 03:33.43 | Resilience | ddan, no, you don't understand me, I wnt to be slpit in two parts, two differente files for two different purposes |
| 03:33.50 | Sivik | ddan, Haven't tried that, does it matter where windows gets mounted? |
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| 03:34.25 | ddan | Sivik, nope, just mount it to /mnt/windows or /media/windows if youre in doubt |
| 03:34.40 | Sivik | ddan, I just mouinted it in /extra and it still doesn't pick it up |
| 03:34.43 | ddan | Resilience, heh, im not sure if you can do it |
| 03:35.02 | ddan | Sivik, what version of grub it is? |
| 03:35.19 | Resilience | ddan, in old systems you can do it, but I don't know in actual systems if things work the same way or don't |
| 03:35.39 | Sivik | grub-install returns 1.98 |
| 03:35.40 | ddan | Resilience, i dont know either, i dont even use modules :) |
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| 03:36.26 | ddan | Sivik, are you sure your windows is ok? i mean, can you still boot it using other methods? |
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| 03:36.57 | Sivik | let me show you a think I am running that seems to think it is fine but I cannot get it booted any other way because the MBR is all fubared. |
| 03:37.15 | Sivik | I downloaded this script to help identify problems |
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| 03:37.59 | Claytonarvixe | ddan, its called boot_info_script055.sh |
| 03:38.19 | Claytonarvixe | ddan, let me show you the output |
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| 03:38.30 | ddan | Claytonarvixe, Ć¢ĀĀ pastebin.com |
| 03:38.36 | Claytonarvixe | http://pastebin.com/vBmek9DR |
| 03:38.46 | Claytonarvixe | ddan, I know, i was posting stuff in thee. |
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| 03:39.33 | ddan | Claytonarvixe, did you try with the good old os-prober? |
| 03:39.54 | Claytonarvixe | I am not sure how to run that |
| 03:40.11 | ddan | grub does it automatically if you've installed it |
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| 03:40.36 | Claytonarvixe | ddan, I know, I made sure and verified the disable os-proder was turned to false in the /etc/default/grub |
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| 03:41.30 | Claytonarvixe | ddan, is there a way to verify the windows mbr is still good since I cannot get windows to load as it the MBR was overwritten by ubuntu? |
| 03:41.57 | cirdan | Claytonarvixe: windows fdisk can repair the mbr, iirc |
| 03:41.57 | ddan | Claytonarvixe, not that i know |
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| 03:42.16 | cirdan | you can also use grub to boot windows |
| 03:42.17 | Claytonarvixe | cirdan, how do I get to that from the windows 7 install disc? |
| 03:42.29 | cirdan | Claytonarvixe: go into rescue mode and get a command prompt |
| 03:42.30 | Claytonarvixe | cirdan, that is what I am trying to get to work but grub isn't picking up the windows install |
| 03:42.47 | Claytonarvixe | cirdan, what command to run to do a repair on mbr? |
| 03:42.51 | cirdan | dunno why it doesn't, worked fine for me when i did it a year ago |
| 03:43.02 | cirdan | google it, but I think it's fdisk /mbr |
| 03:43.14 | Claytonarvixe | cirdan, when you dual boot, is everything on the same drive or different hard drives? |
| 03:43.23 | Claytonarvixe | My windows and debian are on totally different diskcs |
| 03:43.28 | Claytonarvixe | disks* |
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| 03:46.16 | cirdan | mine are on different also |
| 03:46.23 | cirdan | make sure you are using grub2 |
| 03:46.39 | Sivik | cirdan, I am using grub2, going to run a fix on the windows mbr and then going to try again in linux |
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| 03:48.25 | Sivik | cirdan, why when I go into repair for windows it cannot pick up the drive with windows installed? |
| 03:48.42 | cirdan | Sivik: you have more problems than a bad mbr |
| 03:48.54 | Sivik | cirdan, then i'm going to try a few things. |
| 03:48.59 | cirdan | make sure the drive is working, the files are there, etc |
| 03:49.22 | Sivik | cirdan, I do it from the command prompot right? |
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| 03:49.47 | cirdan | do what? fdisk? |
| 03:50.06 | cirdan | yeah but windows rescure mode needs to find your windows install or it wont work |
| 03:50.23 | Sivik | no, the mbr fix thing? |
| 03:50.36 | cirdan | you do it from windows rescue more |
| 03:50.37 | cirdan | mode |
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| 03:51.11 | Sivik | that is where I am |
| 03:51.17 | Sivik | I have command prompt now |
| 03:51.20 | kenifanying | hi all , how can I enable boot log? |
| 03:51.44 | Sivik | cirdan, I am running the startup repair |
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| 03:55.37 | sylecn | kenifanying: /etc/default/bootlogd |
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| 03:55.55 | kenifanying | sylecn, thanks :-) |
| 03:57.27 | Rusty1 | Sivik: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 , handy |
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| 04:00.04 | Sivik | Rusty1, thx but I have already read through that and tried a few things. I am doing a fresh windows install and then I will see if I can use the windows 7 loading to see ubuntu which it says can be done now |
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| 04:04.06 | zpb0103 | is there a way to exclude qt applications when searching with apt |
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| 04:12.31 | sylecn | zpb0103: aptitude can probably do it with tags: aptitude search 'search-term !?tag(uitoolkit::qt)'. what are you trying to do? |
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| 04:18.28 | zpb0103 | I was wanting to search around for some lighter weight applications for a netbook and test them out on a vm first. Since I already need gtk for a few apps that I will definitely have I was wanting to avoid anything qt related |
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| 04:29.17 | errig | :P |
| 04:29.36 | Some_Person | Is anyone else having issues with Chromium + YouTube? |
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| 04:31.51 | MrFrood | Some_Person: not with chromium - but with both iceweasel & opera - I think it is an issue with the last flash upgrade |
| 04:32.10 | Some_Person | huh, I'm having the opposite problem |
| 04:32.34 | Some_Person | nevermind, restarting chromium fixed it |
| 04:32.44 | MrFrood | don't use chromium here |
| 04:32.50 | Some_Person | (I had a window left open in another workspace that I forgot about) |
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| 05:09.13 | Kesava | Could anyone give me a bit of help with a problem installing Apache on a Debian VPS? The Apache irc is pretty much dead. |
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| 05:11.05 | streuner | !apache |
| 05:11.05 | dpkg | Apache HTTPD is a versatile, high-performance HTTP server. Ask me about <apache2>, <install apache2>, <apache manual>. See also <cnrd>, <userdir>. http://wiki.debian.org/Apache http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/FAQ http://httpd.apache.org/ #httpd on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 05:27.09 | Bilegt | how to know the programs which came with debian squeeze? |
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| 05:32.31 | streuner | Bilegt: try packages.debian.org/<package> |
| 05:34.29 | Bilegt | is squeeze as fast as lenny? |
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| 05:39.12 | streuner | Bilegt: what do you mean with fast? |
| 05:40.18 | Bilegt | otherwise, ram usage, cuz i got 512mb ram |
| 05:40.39 | streuner | well, every new release needs more and more RAM |
| 05:41.19 | Bilegt | are you using gnome? |
| 05:41.28 | streuner | basically due bigger kernels, bigger DEs and "modern" browsers... |
| 05:41.32 | streuner | yes |
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| 05:42.18 | Bilegt | i'm downloading xfce and lxde version, hope it run pretty well |
| 05:42.44 | streuner | hm, lxde shouldnt be a bad idea |
| 05:43.20 | streuner | Bilegt: are you able to upgrade RAM too? |
| 05:43.35 | Bilegt | nope |
| 05:44.11 | streuner | hm |
| 05:44.26 | streuner | make sure you have SWAP on a seperate partition too |
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| 05:45.13 | Bilegt | sure |
| 05:45.37 | streuner | another issue is a modern browser... |
| 05:46.06 | Bilegt | so, i'm installing squeeze , after installation i'll write my impression |
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| 05:48.19 | tweek_ | anyone wanna help me make a bug report? i'm having trouble figuring out which package to assign it to |
| 05:49.16 | tweek_ | the problem is that after a kernel upgrade, the virtualbox kernel module is not build, because the kernel headers are not installed |
| 05:49.27 | tweek_ | so i looked into it: |
| 05:49.33 | streuner | prolly a known issue... |
| 05:49.37 | tweek_ | yes |
| 05:49.45 | tweek_ | i am not asking how to solve it, i know ho |
| 05:49.50 | streuner | no need to report that then |
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| 05:50.25 | tweek_ | knowing a workaround doesn't make bug reports unnecessary |
| 05:50.29 | streuner | headers are not packaged at all? |
| 05:50.36 | tweek_ | s/ho/how |
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| 05:51.17 | dutchfish | tweek_, did you build it with m-a | m-i? |
| 05:51.19 | tweek_ | streuner: by headers i mean something like 'linux-headers-2.6.38-2-686' |
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| 05:51.28 | streuner | sure |
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| 05:52.11 | tweek_ | dutchfish: no need to build anything myself, that's the point |
| 05:52.36 | tweek_ | so, wait, let me explain what i believe the problem to be, then tell me if i'm wrong |
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| 05:53.28 | streuner | kernel just changed in sid, so the package isnt available yet |
| 05:53.32 | tweek_ | the virtualbox kernel module depends on dkms, dkms recommends the headers, which are required to build the module |
| 05:53.37 | streuner | yes |
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| 05:54.02 | streuner | just wait |
| 05:54.06 | tweek_ | so, when i had 2.6.32 installed, and then installed virtualbox, the kernel headers for 2.6.32 were automatically installed |
| 05:54.12 | tweek_ | but, now here it comes: |
| 05:54.25 | streuner | yes, yes, yes |
| 05:54.47 | tweek_ | when i upgraded to 2.6.38, the new headers were not installed, because dkms recommends ANY header, which was already satisified with the old headers installed |
| 05:55.00 | dutchfish | tweek_, old news |
| 05:55.18 | tweek_ | so am i right to assume that dkms does not necessarily depend on the modules that i actually need, the ones of the kernel i have |
| 05:55.50 | streuner | What do you expect? |
| 05:55.58 | streuner | i mean, its sid... :-) |
| 05:57.21 | tweek_ | testing |
| 05:57.21 | dutchfish | tweek_, its kernel-package limping behind |
| 05:57.21 | streuner | testing is a 2-4 weeks old sid :-P |
| 05:57.21 | tweek_ | dutchfish: why, what's limping behind? everything is already here |
| 05:57.21 | vooze | It is possible to just deactive postgrey.. since i just use my server mail for forward to gmail, there is no point in postgrey and waits 5 mins for mails. |
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| 05:57.21 | dutchfish | tweek_, nope, it's not |
| 05:57.24 | tweek_ | dutchfish: what do you mean? i have the kernel and the module running now |
| 05:57.32 | dutchfish | tweek_, sure |
| 05:57.39 | tweek_ | dutchfish: what is limping behind? |
| 05:57.56 | streuner | <dutchfish> tweek_, its kernel-package limping behind |
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| 05:58.57 | dutchfish | tweek_, dependecies, abi, kernel-package wich are the main culprits, in this issue its kernel-package which should generate the correct dependecies, this work is atm all in transition heavely, what do you expect? |
| 05:59.50 | tweek_ | dutchfish: um, ok. but i don't even have that installed, are you sure it's involved in the scenario i described? |
| 05:59.54 | dutchfish | tweek_, but thanks to mention it once again. |
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| 06:01.06 | tweek_ | dutchfish: please don't get me wrong, i am not trying to GET help or nag. with my limited knowledge, i thought: 'upgrade broke some functionality, so i will try to make a proper bug report about it' |
| 06:01.13 | dutchfish | tweek_, well, you can even build a kernel without all those, the kernel it self can pretty well build a deb package nowadays |
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| 06:01.44 | dutchfish | tweek_, no, i hear you, thank you |
| 06:02.05 | zero1234 | hi! Does anybody know how to read events from the mouse? I've been reading a bit about evdev but I'm not sure how to get an output from it. What I'm trying to do is read touchpad events such as the movements, the fingers and so on... |
| 06:02.37 | tweek_ | dutchfish: but i didn't really get it yet, why is a package that's not even installed or depended upon here the problem? |
| 06:02.49 | dutchfish | tweek_, there is no way that building a module can anticipate (because its userland) on a newer kernel-header unless the devs update userland accordingly. |
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| 06:04.20 | tweek_ | dutchfish: i thought the SAME module was rebuild against the new kernel, using the new headers? |
| 06:04.20 | dutchfish | tweek_, so, lets 'resumee', it's a bug alright, but one that return everytime a new 2.6.x lands in sid. |
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| 06:05.11 | dutchfish | tweek_, not when the old headers are still present on old userland |
| 06:05.19 | tweek_ | dutchfish: if i could immediately resolve it by installing some new package, the i asssume that dependency on that very package would not have caused my problem |
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| 06:05.35 | dutchfish | true |
| 06:05.38 | tweek_ | sorry, that was not very clear what i just said |
| 06:06.18 | dutchfish | let me rephrase it |
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| 06:06.51 | dutchfish | how does userland now on 2.6.old that 2.6.x has arrived in the context of debependecies? |
| 06:06.58 | dutchfish | s/now/know |
| 06:07.31 | dutchfish | it should be in recommends in the new 2.6.x |
| 06:07.40 | dutchfish | for the new headers |
| 06:07.54 | dutchfish | is that an automatic process? NO |
| 06:07.58 | tweek_ | dutchfish: but that actually works, because it TRIED rebuilding the module after installing the new kernel, but failed, missing the headeres |
| 06:08.01 | tweek_ | headers |
| 06:08.09 | dutchfish | sure |
| 06:08.40 | dutchfish | how to work around this: equiv |
| 06:08.58 | tweek_ | !equiv |
| 06:09.21 | tweek_ | what's that? |
| 06:09.23 | streuner | dpkg, listvals equiv |
| 06:09.24 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'equiv' by value (15 of 31): 0/0 ;; << ;; aliens ;; apt-get -f ;; checkinstall ;; equivs ;; imap ;; libs ;; pound ;; ppa ;; qmail equivs ;; qotd256 ;; sbp2 ;; udev ;; wep. |
| 06:09.47 | dutchfish | oops |
| 06:11.50 | dutchfish | tweek_, i meant, if you want an automated solution for now, build a pseudopackage that enforces that dependecy. Thats not to hard. |
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| 06:12.34 | dutchfish | tweek_, a debian kernel package can't do that, it can only recommend headers or the like |
| 06:13.22 | dutchfish | tweek_, it's actually a chicken egg problem ... i believe |
| 06:13.36 | tweek_ | dutchfish: as far as i'm concerned, i'm ok with just installing the headers, which is not that hard. i'm just used to not having to do anything, as is usual with this system, which is good ;-) |
| 06:13.54 | dutchfish | scratches head |
| 06:13.54 | tweek_ | so if things break, i don't fix them, i make bug reports :-) |
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| 06:14.49 | tweek_ | no seriosly though, sometimes i feel like bugs that have easy workarounds persist for a long time, because experienced users just fix it and don't even notice |
| 06:15.18 | tweek_ | and new users don't make bug reports |
| 06:15.35 | tweek_ | so i thought i'd fill that gap or something |
| 06:15.48 | tweek_ | anyway, thanks, gonna leave it for now... |
| 06:16.15 | streuner | well, the kernel package missed the headers, and its a know problem, so you wasting time |
| 06:16.30 | streuner | IMO |
| 06:16.36 | dutchfish | tweek_, another thought, if and only if it got solved by enforcing dependecies, what you gone do when you need more then one kernel? |
| 06:17.17 | dutchfish | tweek_, as it was in sarge |
| 06:17.22 | streuner | s/know/known/ |
| 06:17.32 | dutchfish | streuner, ty |
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| 06:17.33 | tweek_ | dutchfish: i actually came to that question thinking about it, and thought: apt needs conditionaly dependencies, like , if kernel x is installed, then depend on headers x |
| 06:17.44 | tweek_ | is there such a thing? |
| 06:17.51 | tweek_ | i'm guessing no |
| 06:18.04 | tweek_ | s/conditionaly/conditional |
| 06:18.44 | streuner | dutchfish: i said that about 20 min. ago, so there is no need to say ty :-P |
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| 06:20.34 | dutchfish | tweek_, i think the clue is in: Provides: linux-image, linux-image-2.6, linux-modules-2.6.32-5-openvz-amd64 |
| 06:21.05 | tweek_ | dutchfish: yes |
| 06:21.12 | dutchfish | tweek_, so you could report it (unneccesary) to openvz maintainers |
| 06:21.26 | dutchfish | tweek_, i am pretty sure, they know that |
| 06:21.26 | tweek_ | wait, openvz? |
| 06:21.30 | tweek_ | what's that |
| 06:21.48 | tweek_ | i thought that the problem is that the old headers provide "headers" |
| 06:22.06 | streuner | omg |
| 06:22.15 | streuner | the headers are available... |
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| 06:23.09 | dutchfish | or am i missing something here myself? |
| 06:23.41 | streuner | dont know, but the headers are available with the latest kernel in sid... |
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| 06:23.55 | dutchfish | sure |
| 06:24.01 | tweek_ | streuner: ok, well, i admit i'm at a loss here, of course the old headers provide 'headers', but thus the dependency on the headers is satisified without installing the new headers |
| 06:24.04 | dutchfish | they land at the same time |
| 06:24.33 | dutchfish | scratches head harder |
| 06:24.53 | tweek_ | should i stop talking? |
| 06:25.14 | streuner | tweek_: please show us your sources.list and the command you used in a pastebin |
| 06:25.14 | tweek_ | i'll stop talking and go have breakfast, ok? |
| 06:25.21 | tweek_ | ok |
| 06:25.22 | tweek_ | wait |
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| 06:26.05 | dutchfish | tweek_, what does 'dpkg -l | grep kernel-patch-scripts' returns at your side? |
| 06:26.36 | tweek_ | streuner: command i used? to upgrade? |
| 06:27.03 | streuner | tweek_: upgrad or install or everything |
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| 06:28.27 | streuner | tweek_: in order to get that error (depends) |
| 06:29.04 | dutchfish | streuner, he prolly got no errors on install time i presume ..... |
| 06:29.38 | dutchfish | s/presume/assume |
| 06:30.10 | streuner | <tweek_> the problem is that after a kernel upgrade, the virtualbox kernel module is not build, because the kernel headers are not installed |
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| 06:30.27 | dutchfish | yes, apart from that |
| 06:30.33 | tweek_ | http://paste.debian.net/plain/114282 |
| 06:31.24 | dutchfish | tweek_, seams a feature instead of a bug ... mmm... |
| 06:31.56 | dutchfish | tweek_, you may call me stupid ;) |
| 06:32.16 | streuner | me too (i used uname -a instead of uname -r) :-) |
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| 06:36.00 | dutchfish | tweek_, you can simply aptitude show linux-headers-2.6-686, for showing its deps; i can't because i am on stable atm |
| 06:36.35 | tweek_ | Depends: linux-headers-2.6.38-2-686 |
| 06:36.40 | tweek_ | that's not the problem |
| 06:36.42 | dutchfish | there you go |
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| 06:37.26 | tweek_ | but dkms depends depends on "linux-headers", and that is provided by ... |
| 06:37.27 | tweek_ | wait |
| 06:38.27 | dutchfish | tweek_, or am i wrong again? |
| 06:38.36 | tweek_ | you're right, it's actually been fixed. i could have sworn that a few days ago it was provided by 2.6.32 headers OR 2. |
| 06:38.41 | tweek_ | oops |
| 06:38.48 | dutchfish | transient |
| 06:38.48 | LanoX | hi all i am tryingt o disable ipv6 and reading online it says to go to /etc/modprobe.d/aliases but i dont have that file |
| 06:38.57 | tweek_ | ...was provided by headers 2.6.32 OR 2.6.38 |
| 06:39.02 | tweek_ | OR as in '|' |
| 06:39.04 | dutchfish | bingo |
| 06:39.36 | tweek_ | so it's been fixed shortly after me doing it manually |
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| 06:39.57 | dutchfish | tweek_, right, lesson: SID is transient all the time |
| 06:40.07 | tweek_ | dutchfish: testing |
| 06:40.09 | tweek_ | but yes |
| 06:40.17 | dutchfish | :) |
| 06:40.33 | tweek_ | thanks for your patience! |
| 06:40.39 | dutchfish | ehe, yw |
| 06:40.47 | Garda | hey, does anyone here know java well? |
| 06:40.51 | streuner | no, thanks for you patience... |
| 06:40.57 | streuner | s/you/your/ |
| 06:41.13 | Garda | 1 moment |
| 06:41.24 | Garda | has brain switch on, will go try in ##java |
| 06:41.52 | streuner | needs another coffee |
| 06:42.35 | dutchfish | mumbles, miracles we deliver instantly, the impossible takes a bit longer however .... |
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| 06:47.08 | waisted | can some1 please help on how to disable ipv6 |
| 06:47.36 | dutchfish | waisted, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 |
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| 06:50.18 | waisted | dutchfish, thanks its funny how different things are, i was reading and googling but everyone was saying to disable it from /etc/modprobe.d/aliases |
| 06:50.34 | dutchfish | waisted, ;) |
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| 06:51.02 | waisted | freaking why cant they ahve some standard lol |
| 06:51.22 | dutchfish | waisted, or read the Debian wiki .... |
| 06:51.30 | waisted | lol or that |
| 06:51.31 | waisted | hahah |
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| 06:51.57 | waisted | thanks going to reboot |
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| 06:52.02 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 06:52.57 | AminCX | after all of the limit.conf and pam settings open files still not changed, what i have to do now ? |
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| 06:54.17 | treebeen | AminCX: how do you know it didn't change? |
| 06:54.44 | AminCX | treebeen: with ulimit -n command |
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| 06:58.57 | dutchfish | AminCX, shouldn't that be limits.conf instead of limit.conf? |
| 06:59.13 | treebeen | AminCX: i think that's because bash will not honor /etc/security/limits.conf, that means open files are limited in the bash process |
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| 06:59.38 | cesurasean | how do i install sun-java6-jre on squeeze? |
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| 07:00.04 | AminCX | dutchfish: yes, mistyping . |
| 07:00.12 | Wills | Gatta add nonfree to you apt |
| 07:00.14 | srmaddox | Im having a hard time setting up a Subversion repository....and I'd like to know, what would be the easiest to setup and where might I find a good getting started guide? I've tried googling for a few, but i keep running into undocumented issues |
| 07:00.20 | dutchfish | cesurasean, aptitude install sun-java6-jre |
| 07:00.35 | treebeen | cesurasean: my tip, use openjdk, it usually works better than jre |
| 07:00.36 | dutchfish | cesurasean, its not in main however |
| 07:01.31 | treebeen | cesurasean: i mean, better than sun-jre |
| 07:01.34 | AminCX | treebeen: what do you suggesting to me ? my application server is written with python, and with a few users it will not accept connections . |
| 07:01.57 | cesurasean | No candidate version found for sun-java6-jre |
| 07:02.04 | dutchfish | cesurasean, its in non-free |
| 07:02.07 | cesurasean | i added nonfree, and doesnt work |
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| 07:02.31 | superlinux | hi. |
| 07:02.46 | cesurasean | thar she blows |
| 07:02.49 | cesurasean | thx |
| 07:02.50 | dutchfish | cesurasean, mind the '-', aptitude update && aptitude install sun-java6-[your choice] |
| 07:04.00 | treebeen | AminCX: cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max - this should show you the current limit, independent from what bash has |
| 07:04.54 | superlinux | I have two bluetooth dongles. those dongles do work only on bluez 3.x they don't on bluez 4.x. To whom should I raise this case to ? |
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| 07:06.35 | AminCX | treebeen: its show me the number that i want, but that's it ? then why my application can't open more connections? i also changed the port range . |
| 07:06.43 | treebeen | AminCX: python should honor that setting, not the one from bash, so you probably have another issue |
| 07:07.08 | dutchfish | superlinux, http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/bluez.html |
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| 07:07.15 | superlinux | ok |
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| 07:07.48 | AminCX | treebeen: i should have some tests, thanks a lot for help :) |
| 07:09.31 | treebeen | AminCX: np. I think you should be able to debug python to find the problem |
| 07:10.19 | AminCX | treebeen: yes, i have to do that . |
| 07:10.27 | Dewi | srmaddox: the red book explains it well, I think |
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| 07:14.24 | AminCX | treebeen: but i remember that in the prior centos server i haven't any problem with connections, i start my application with nohup command, is that ok ? |
| 07:14.32 | superlinux | how can I use 'find' to find directory names only? |
| 07:15.14 | Dewi | superlinux: find -type d |
| 07:15.31 | superlinux | ah ok |
| 07:15.35 | superlinux | thanks |
| 07:15.49 | Dewi | superlinux: that's directories only, it doesn't change anything with naming |
| 07:16.17 | Dewi | superlinux: so I guess you could go find -type d -name 'home' |
| 07:16.34 | superlinux | Dewi, yes! that's what i want. |
| 07:18.36 | treebeen | AminCX: not sure, maybe try without that to test? |
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| 07:20.59 | treebeen | AminCX: you could also use daemontools to have the app restarted in case it crashes |
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| 07:21.23 | AminCX | treebeen: yes i can do that, i will give you the answer after test. |
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| 07:36.12 | bilegt | i've installed debian squeeze, it took some time more than i expected |
| 07:36.27 | ectospasm | how so? |
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| 07:37.04 | Leoneof | more than one hour for me :) |
| 07:37.05 | bilegt | well, pretty cool |
| 07:39.40 | ltsampros | well I'm on squeeze and I have to find a way to distupgrade to testing |
| 07:40.07 | ltsampros | this sky2 driver is giving me some many headaches on all fronts. |
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| 07:41.37 | srmaddox | I need help setting up Subversion on Debian and connecting a client to the repository (svn+ssh scheme)...I've gotten through most of http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_subversion_websvn, but seem to be having a problem where the client is windows (TortoiseSVN); |
| 07:41.53 | srmaddox | And i think my problem is actually with the server (i dont think i setup the certificate right) |
| 07:42.43 | ompaul | ltsampros: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting read it and know that you should be familiar with debian before you think about it |
| 07:42.51 | ltsampros | srmaddox: I don't think you need a certificate for the svn+ssh scheme |
| 07:43.47 | treebeen | ltsampros: driver? so you need a newer kernel? |
| 07:44.08 | ltsampros | ompaul: thanks. I've been using it for a couple of years now. but only using it. (just know I have grasped some things about building debs etc etc) |
| 07:44.20 | ltsampros | treebeen: yes. sky2 keeps crashing under heavy nfs load. |
| 07:44.34 | ltsampros | reproducible every second day |
| 07:44.36 | srmaddox | istampros: Hrm, well the how-tos Im finding all show generating keys... |
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| 07:44.47 | srmaddox | I would LIKE to not enter uname/password each time, nor leave it unsecure |
| 07:44.58 | srmaddox | Its not for public access |
| 07:45.15 | treebeen | ltsampros: you could try to get the kernel source from wheezy and recompile it for squeeze... |
| 07:45.26 | ltsampros | treebeen: well I prefer to be 'official' |
| 07:45.35 | ltsampros | even if that means going to testing. |
| 07:45.48 | treebeen | ltsampros: well, "testing" is not "official" :) |
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| 07:46.04 | ltsampros | however, in testing I can open a bug report :) |
| 07:46.35 | treebeen | right, depends on why system you have... |
| 07:47.02 | ltsampros | home system, mainly used for emacs, porn and torrents |
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| 07:48.06 | treebeen | ah, porn, then you're doomed anyway ;) |
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