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| 00:28.55 | abdelkhalak | debian lenny is the best choice for older machine ie <2005 |
| 00:29.13 | abrotman | not really |
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| 00:29.41 | abdelkhalak | tell abrotman dont u think so? why? |
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| 00:30.19 | abrotman | why is it? squeeze has basically the same base hardware requirements |
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| 00:30.55 | abdelkhalak | abrotman: i tried it and had to reinstall lenny |
| 00:31.05 | abrotman | that doesn't mean anything useful .. |
| 00:31.45 | abdelkhalak | abrotman: squeeze with all its whistles and graphics makes an old pc too slow |
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| 00:32.09 | abrotman | abdelkhalak: what whistles and graphics? |
| 00:32.32 | abdelkhalak | abrotman: gnome and kde 4 |
| 00:32.52 | fer0x | abdelkhalak: use a lightweight wm |
| 00:32.54 | MrFrood | abrotman: I'm running squeeze on a machine that was new 2001 |
| 00:33.02 | abdelkhalak | abrotman: resource hyngry |
| 00:33.14 | MrFrood | abdelkhalak: sorry that was for abdelkhalak |
| 00:33.32 | omnipotentduo | abrotman: i reccomend xfce |
| 00:33.32 | abrotman | abdelkhalak: eh .. you did something wrong |
| 00:33.36 | abdelkhalak | MrFrood: are u using gnome or kde? |
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| 00:33.52 | MrFrood | abdelkhalak: openbox or dwm |
| 00:33.55 | abrotman | abdelkhalak: the version of gnome in squeeze is pretty similar to lenny |
| 00:34.02 | abrotman | judd: versions gnome-session |
| 00:34.04 | judd | Package gnome-session on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.3-2; sid: 2.30.2-3; squeeze: 2.30.2-3; wheezy: 2.30.2-3; experimental: 2.30.2-4; experimental: 2.91.93-1 |
| 00:35.32 | abrotman | wonders how judd has two versions of the same package in experimental .... |
| 00:35.43 | abrotman | omnipotentduo: please don't msg me |
| 00:35.52 | nsadmin | maybe there are two versions |
| 00:35.59 | abrotman | omnipotentduo: and it is generally better to keep support in the channel |
| 00:36.12 | MrFrood | abrotman: the gnome 3 upgrade is messing up experimental |
| 00:36.12 | abrotman | nsadmin: how? |
| 00:36.14 | omnipotentduo | abrotman, sorry what are the specs on the machine? |
| 00:36.26 | abrotman | omnipotentduo: i'm not the one that is complaining about nothing .. |
| 00:36.27 | streuner | abdelkhalak: usually a newer kernel makes older system slower, but the main thing(s) are browsers or DEs |
| 00:36.27 | ddan | i dont have any 2.30.2-4 in experimental |
| 00:36.45 | omnipotentduo | could try damned small linux |
| 00:36.49 | nsadmin | I don't know :) howbout this much: a dir can contain two files of differing names |
| 00:36.57 | abrotman | omnipotentduo: that's not his problem .. just move along |
| 00:37.11 | nsadmin | but this is all theoretical so far... let's look at pool/ |
| 00:37.19 | casts | i wonder how the performance of newer kernels differs, there have been plenty of performance improvements |
| 00:37.32 | abrotman | nsadmin: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gnome-session |
| 00:37.48 | streuner | (the only main thing of newer kernels are better support of new hardware!) |
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| 00:38.44 | streuner | basically it needs just more RAM... |
| 00:39.02 | abrotman | he's gone anyway |
| 00:39.06 | streuner | hm |
| 00:39.36 | casts | though kernel modules would mitigate that to an extent |
| 00:39.44 | nsadmin | both versions found. |
| 00:39.58 | nsadmin | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gnome-session/ |
| 00:40.40 | abrotman | nsadmin: in the Packages.gz? |
| 00:40.41 | nusi | casts: They have that one magical patch for desktop users in 2.6.38 now IIRC, it allows GUI apps to be highly responsive under system loads. |
| 00:41.09 | nusi | I wonder how well GNOME 2.30 will work on 800mhz. |
| 00:41.10 | abrotman | nsadmin: that pool is for all current versions of debian .. |
| 00:41.18 | nsadmin | no, the actual .debs of those two versions shown in experimental |
| 00:41.35 | abrotman | judd: versions gnome-session --arch i386 |
| 00:41.35 | judd | Package gnome-session on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.3-2; sid: 2.30.2-3; squeeze: 2.30.2-3; wheezy: 2.30.2-3; experimental: 2.30.2-4; experimental: 2.91.93-1 |
| 00:41.46 | streuner | nusi: its a nightmare, IMO |
| 00:41.52 | nusi | streuner: What is? |
| 00:41.54 | abrotman | gets the packages file |
| 00:42.07 | nsadmin | 2.30.2-4 and 2.91.93-1 are both present in the mirror |
| 00:42.17 | nusi | 2.32 until the sun dies |
| 00:42.20 | streuner | nusi: any DE is a nightmare with a 800Mhz system, IMO |
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| 00:42.38 | nusi | streuner: I'll do some tests. |
| 00:43.04 | streuner | nusi: well, basically because of the RAM issue... |
| 00:43.08 | abrotman | $ egrep -c "Package: gnome-session$" Packages |
| 00:43.08 | abrotman | 1 |
| 00:43.35 | abrotman | nsadmin: it's not in the Packages file .. |
| 00:43.40 | MrFrood | http://raphaelhertzog.com/ last two blog posts |
| 00:43.40 | nusi | streuner: What about a 800mhz with 1GB? |
| 00:43.40 | streuner | nusi: you prolly have only 1GB RAM, and thats not enough |
| 00:44.05 | streuner | 1GB isnt enough in most cases to work fine, IMO |
| 00:44.21 | MrFrood | nusi: just use a *box wm |
| 00:45.16 | nusi | streuner: I installed the full gnome desktop on my machine(Debian Squeeze) and it only consumes 200mb~ of ram. |
| 00:45.28 | thinkste1e | nusi: Or LXDE when you can't live without a DE |
| 00:45.50 | streuner | nusi: sure, just use iceweasel and/or something else... |
| 00:45.57 | MrFrood | nusi: dwm consumes less than 60mb :P |
| 00:46.01 | nusi | I can use xterms with twm but it doesn't help me be lazy |
| 00:46.07 | nusi | 60mb for a fscking wm? |
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| 00:46.23 | MrFrood | yeah |
| 00:46.26 | thinkste1e | In this case it's not about ram usage but cpu speed as well. |
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| 00:47.07 | nusi | streuner: iceweasel is gnawing at with 280mb using 3 windows with 10~ tabs each, and rhythmbox about 60mb, and Transmission 80mb. Still under 1GB |
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| 00:47.17 | thinkste1e | Ressources that are wasted by your wm can't be used for your apps. |
| 00:47.35 | streuner | nusi: you are able to get stuff second hand (i386) very cheap.... |
| 00:47.38 | MrFrood | thinkste1e: my opinion also |
| 00:48.00 | nusi | streuner: Yeah, and 1GB is more than enough it seems :\ |
| 00:48.23 | streuner | sure, but thats no fun |
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| 00:48.31 | MrFrood | nusi: according to billy 512kb is enough |
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| 00:48.53 | tolle | Granted, the DE in LXDE stands for desktop environment. Its just a whole lot less then the two big gargantuans. |
| 00:49.01 | lassiethebrave | sun-java6-jre seems broken on my system (amd64, testing), I get the following when trying to run anything: "Error: no `client' JVM at `/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.24/jre/lib/amd64/client/libjvm.so'." |
| 00:49.08 | abrotman | tolle: 3? |
| 00:49.16 | nusi | doesn't lxde want GDM? |
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| 00:49.30 | abrotman | nusi: not as a Depends |
| 00:49.31 | MrFrood | does not see the point of DE's |
| 00:49.36 | nusi | Okay. |
| 00:49.38 | thinkste1e | nusi: It should use lxdm or slim instead |
| 00:49.39 | nusi | I'd use slim |
| 00:49.53 | nusi | oh, didn't know lxde had a dm |
| 00:50.07 | thinkste1e | Who needs displaymanagers, MrFrood? |
| 00:50.22 | abrotman | who needs X, thinkste1e? |
| 00:50.27 | nusi | MrFrood: One can run a desktop with 48bytes of ram with Contiki apparently |
| 00:50.29 | streuner | lol |
| 00:50.39 | curmudgeon_ | Well, I will admit that I'm looking for a couple of 1GB modules, but I've got KDE and Gnome running on 750MB at present. |
| 00:50.57 | MrFrood | wm's fine but de's no - just don't see the point |
| 00:51.06 | abrotman | watches the conversation devolve ... |
| 00:51.21 | nusi | MrFrood: well what MUA do you use? |
| 00:51.43 | thinkste1e | abrotman: X is quite nice, when you have two screens to sort your terminals on. :P |
| 00:51.45 | asdf | anyone know wtf this is all about? sshd[29021]: error: open /dev/tty failed - could not set controlling tty: Permission denied |
| 00:51.46 | abrotman | telnet ?! huh huh do ya?! |
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| 00:51.55 | streuner | well, hardware shouldnt be an issue at all, as we told you above, its very cheap second hand |
| 00:51.57 | asdf | i saw it in my ossec email |
| 00:52.10 | wad | My home network gateway is a debian box. My son wants to play XBox live, but he's getting some connectivity issues. A little research shows that uPnP might be the answer. Does this make sense to install on my debian server? What's a good package? Google shows a few things, but I'm not sure if this is the right path. Ideas? |
| 00:52.23 | MrFrood | nusi: alpine over ssh |
| 00:52.41 | curmudgeon_ | Usually I have the apps I want, and run it off Fluxbox. I hate carrying extra baggage, but it 's good to see what the rest of the world are doing to themselves now and then. |
| 00:53.55 | streuner | wad: well, a Xbox system is basically a 750 Mhz i386 box |
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| 00:54.17 | wad | streuner, yeah, I own seven of them. :) They are great media players, when hacked, of course. :) |
| 00:54.21 | nusi | MrFrood: Cool. What is with the development of alpine? There is re-alpine, but I'm not sure why. |
| 00:54.24 | curmudgeon_ | And that's Debian, you don't need the amount of ram you would with windows as long as you have plenty of swap. These days, if you have the ram, you don't need the swap. |
| 00:54.37 | streuner | wad: huh, 7? |
| 00:55.02 | nevyn | if you're using swap you're doing computing wrong with a few very special exceptions |
| 00:55.13 | wad | Yep, seven. All with replaced hard drives. Scattered throughout the house, attached to my lan, with a debian-based file server hosting 7TB of data, videos and stuff. |
| 00:55.20 | MrFrood | nusi: alpine is GPL pine (I think that is what you meant by re-alpine) |
| 00:55.24 | wad | It's an awesome setup. |
| 00:55.33 | abrotman | MrFrood: not really, it's a rewrite AIUI |
| 00:55.40 | nusi | MrFrood: Apache Licensed PINE |
| 00:55.49 | abrotman | nusi: Alternatively |
| 00:55.51 | nusi | abrotman: AIUI? |
| 00:55.58 | abrotman | As I Understand It |
| 00:56.09 | curmudgeon_ | On a laptop with 750Mb of ram, you need swap. Unless tou're running DSL, or something. |
| 00:56.16 | MrFrood | nI know it is a rewrite |
| 00:56.25 | nusi | Jeeze. |
| 00:56.32 | nusi | When did GNU+Linux get so bloated? |
| 00:56.34 | streuner | wad: if i unterstood you correctly, your son isnt able to connect to i-net? |
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| 00:56.53 | nusi | I remember having Ubuntu 6.06 on 196MB. |
| 00:57.00 | MrFrood | alpine now does everything that pine used to do for me |
| 00:57.20 | abrotman | MrFrood: plus more |
| 00:57.22 | wad | Well, he can connect, but some games and stuff complain. This post talks about what we're seeing: http://www.daishar.com/blog/archives/2005/01/xbox_live_linux.html |
| 00:57.42 | wad | The XBox is behind my debian server, with does NAT, DHCP, etc. |
| 00:57.53 | MrFrood | the serer I ssh into has both pine and alpine and I as an end user can't really tell the differance |
| 00:58.00 | MrFrood | *server |
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| 00:58.57 | gnarface | abc |
| 00:59.03 | gnarface | woops sorry wrong window |
| 00:59.08 | dvs | ?? |
| 00:59.14 | MrFrood | it has good filtering, good threading and does imap - so I'm happy |
| 00:59.43 | dvs | alpine is a variant of pine? That's funny. |
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| 01:00.29 | MrFrood | dvs: an evolution of pine |
| 01:00.49 | abrotman | re-write+more |
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| 01:00.57 | dvs | MrFrood: but the original pine is still maintained, right? |
| 01:01.02 | abrotman | wonders if UW even maintains Pine anymore |
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| 01:01.40 | MrFrood | dvs: no idea I use alpine now |
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| 01:02.07 | dvs | sees mutt doing something on a pine |
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| 01:02.24 | MrFrood | giggles |
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| 01:03.23 | nusi | dvs: No, the university behind pine redid it with Alpine because of licensing and other issues(they don't want to deal with it so the community now maintains it) |
| 01:03.30 | nusi | however I'm not sure on that last part. |
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| 01:03.52 | lassiethebrave | Google gives me nothing on the following error, any ideas in here? "usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.24/jre/lib/amd64/client/libjvm.so'." (running anything java with sun-java6-jre on amd64/testing) |
| 01:04.03 | nusi | http://sourceforge.net/projects/re-alpine/ |
| 01:04.03 | dvs | nusi: So pine is abandoned. |
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| 01:04.44 | nusi | dvs: Essentially, AIUI |
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| 01:05.11 | abrotman | nusi: oh, re-alpine is the same .. but UW didn't want to host/maintain it anymore .. |
| 01:05.39 | nusi | yes, that is why they came out with alpine I thought |
| 01:05.42 | nusi | :\ |
| 01:05.51 | nusi | I didn't know about hosting |
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| 01:06.39 | abrotman | no, alpine was to do away with pine ... re-alpine is because UW is done with alpine |
| 01:06.41 | nusi | abrotman: If that is true then why is this here: http://www.washington.edu/alpine/ |
| 01:06.57 | abrotman | nusi: yeah .. universities always clean up ... |
| 01:07.12 | dvs | of course! |
| 01:07.22 | MrFrood | just uses whatever the latest version of alpine pkgsrc spits out |
| 01:07.24 | nusi | Modified: April 15, 2009 |
| 01:07.26 | nusi | yeah... |
| 01:07.38 | nusi | MrFrood: Well I'd be more careful with my software than that but okay |
| 01:08.20 | nusi | abrotman: But even the mailing lists are still up: http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/pipermail/alpine-info/ |
| 01:08.30 | MrFrood | nusi: the netbsd packaging team are pretty good |
| 01:08.42 | abrotman | nusi: they're trying to be done with it .. i forget where i saw it |
| 01:10.23 | MrFrood | nusi: pkgsrc is the netbsd package manager |
| 01:10.31 | nusi | MrFrood: Yeah. |
| 01:11.33 | MrFrood | low powered debian box here so I use shh to outsource a lot of stuff |
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| 01:12.49 | MrFrood | hence why i'm in London UK and my ssh client NE USA |
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| 01:13.03 | MrFrood | *irc client :-/ |
| 01:14.39 | nusi | why would you want to email in the US |
| 01:14.58 | nusi | MrFrood: tell me about the low powered debian box |
| 01:15.40 | abrotman | he's not a bot! |
| 01:16.01 | nusi | hah |
| 01:16.14 | MrFrood | nusi: 512kb and K6-III (athlon 1500XP) |
| 01:16.33 | MrFrood | nusi: geforce 4 |
| 01:16.34 | nusi | On 4 August 2008 the University of Washington Alpine team announced[5] that after one more release, incorporating Web Alpine 2.0, they would "shift [their] effort from direct development into more of a consultation and coordination role to help integrate contributions from the community." This is likely to be interpreted that the UW team no longer maintains Alpine,[6] and is leaving development to others. O |
| 01:16.36 | nusi | ne current continuation is re-alpine.[7] |
| 01:16.36 | ranix | haha that's low power as in mips, not low power as in watts |
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| 01:16.55 | nusi | MrFrood: Is that a low power design? Could you get more out of an Atom? |
| 01:17.11 | abrotman | and k6-III isn't hte same as k7 |
| 01:17.56 | MrFrood | nusi: no fun - I like to keep old hardware going - quite often when I'm in here I'm ssh'ing from a 286 |
| 01:17.59 | nusi | i use a 100mhz CPU to power my entire network |
| 01:18.00 | ranix | I had a 400mhz k6-III iirc |
| 01:18.00 | nusi | :| |
| 01:18.13 | ranix | was a beast when I got it |
| 01:18.23 | ranix | four HUNDRED megahurts |
| 01:18.25 | MrFrood | ranix: would not 400mhz be a KII ? |
| 01:18.30 | ranix | you know how much more than 66 that is |
| 01:18.35 | dvs | takes ranix's paperweight |
| 01:18.37 | ranix | it's even more powerful than 133 |
| 01:18.42 | eflynn | Some characters look incorrect when I connect to a Debian system over ssh using PuTTY. Where would I start to resolve this? |
| 01:18.43 | lvh | Sounds like K6-3 to me. |
| 01:19.26 | eflynn | i.e. dash character shows up as an "a" with a circumflex |
| 01:19.44 | MrFrood | 8mhz should be eough for anyone :P |
| 01:19.49 | nusi | I don't understand why computers become weaker over time |
| 01:20.05 | MrFrood | nusi: ? |
| 01:20.08 | nusi | it can be |
| 01:20.22 | nusi | MrFrood: Run Contiki on chips you extract from drive controllers |
| 01:20.32 | dvs | eflynn: What are you connecting from? |
| 01:20.47 | eflynn | dvs: windows... |
| 01:21.03 | abrotman | eflynn: using Putty? or something else? |
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| 01:21.12 | dvs | eflynn: You probably have to specify UTF-8 and a character set. |
| 01:21.13 | eflynn | abrotman: yes PuTTY |
| 01:21.20 | MrFrood | dvs: eflynn utf-8 en dash and em dash I'm guessing? |
| 01:21.31 | eflynn | MrFrood: correct |
| 01:21.46 | eflynn | oh ok that fixed it |
| 01:21.51 | eflynn | that was easy |
| 01:22.08 | dvs | !be a PuTTY barbie |
| 01:22.08 | dpkg | Aww, PuTTY is HARD! Let's go shopping, dvs |
| 01:22.53 | eflynn | pssh |
| 01:22.58 | eflynn | actually if it matters |
| 01:23.04 | eflynn | i got linux running on VMware |
| 01:23.18 | eflynn | and i'm just using putty to talk to it |
| 01:23.29 | MrFrood | I got linux running on hardware :P |
| 01:23.38 | ranix | I think your gateway is wrong |
| 01:23.44 | ranix | did you check the netmask |
| 01:23.51 | ranix | that could mess with your uh ssh |
| 01:23.59 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 01:24.19 | eflynn | ranix: dur what? |
| 01:24.21 | ranix | if your characters aren't set |
| 01:24.25 | ranix | you know how it is |
| 01:24.37 | ranix | sorry today was a long day |
| 01:24.39 | nevyn | eflynn: under translation select the character encoding of the remote end (most likely ascii or utf-8) |
| 01:24.41 | MrFrood | ranix: it was an utf-8 issue |
| 01:24.43 | ranix | goes back to lurking. |
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| 01:25.09 | eflynn | also |
| 01:25.13 | eflynn | should i set a locale? |
| 01:25.16 | eflynn | i speak english |
| 01:25.21 | asdf | anyone know why when i use less, it doesn't page files? it acts like cat |
| 01:25.43 | eflynn | asdf: less is more :) |
| 01:25.54 | asdf | eflynn: i know! :) and it's busted, more is too |
| 01:26.10 | asdf | when i run less filename it just dumps the file to console and doesn't paginate |
| 01:26.11 | eflynn | asdf: try echo $TERM |
| 01:26.29 | asdf | it's screen-256color |
| 01:26.40 | eflynn | asdf: are you running screen |
| 01:26.41 | nevyn | asdf: echo $ROWS |
| 01:26.43 | asdf | yes |
| 01:26.55 | asdf | nevyn: nothing from that |
| 01:27.03 | asdf | but it's busted outside of screen too |
| 01:27.06 | MrFrood | asdf: just use pg ;) |
| 01:27.39 | asdf | i can't even read man pages, shit's annoying :) |
| 01:27.51 | eflynn | asdf: it's something busted with your terminal |
| 01:28.05 | nevyn | asdf: bleh try $LINES |
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| 01:28.17 | asdf | nevyn: 65 |
| 01:28.30 | asdf | eflynn: when i run man command, it dumps out: man: command exited with status 1: pager -s |
| 01:28.36 | nevyn | oh |
| 01:28.41 | asdf | i think another beer will help this |
| 01:28.43 | nevyn | asdf: $PAGER? |
| 01:28.54 | asdf | nevyn: hmm, nothing |
| 01:29.02 | nevyn | export PAGER=less |
| 01:29.05 | nevyn | man fleem |
| 01:29.08 | andornaut | Hey, I'm having a hardtime getting my synaptic touchpad working on a fresh wheezy install. It isn't listed in /proc/bus/input/devices. Any ideas? |
| 01:29.10 | Kimmag | Is it normal that "Running after-installation menu" (95%) takes long time during install ? |
| 01:29.23 | nevyn | where fleem is something with an actual manpage |
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| 01:29.57 | asdf | nevyn: same problem |
| 01:30.15 | asdf | man: command exited with status 1: /usr/bin/less |
| 01:30.27 | asdf | is what is says now that i changed $PAGER to $(which less) |
| 01:30.49 | ranix | no you want just "less" not "/usr/bin/less" |
| 01:31.06 | MrFrood | asdf: what happens if you use another pager (pg/more/most/w3m) |
| 01:31.06 | nevyn | meh nah /usr/bin/less should be fine. |
| 01:31.40 | asdf | MrFrood: pg works! |
| 01:31.47 | asdf | so wtf is up with less and more |
| 01:31.59 | ranix | can you invoke them manually |
| 01:32.11 | asdf | on a file, it just dumps the contents out |
| 01:32.14 | ranix | and pipe i.e. echo foobat sneakers harbl | less |
| 01:32.58 | asdf | ranix: i run cat filename | less and it just dumps it all out |
| 01:33.04 | asdf | like the "| less" wasn't there |
| 01:33.08 | nevyn | eflynn: does it look right now? |
| 01:33.15 | asdf | but | pg catches it fine |
| 01:33.24 | nevyn | asdf: is your less broken? |
| 01:33.42 | asdf | nevyn: less and more seem busted, i tried reinstalling them, to no avail |
| 01:34.07 | asdf | i'm running 6.0.1 |
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| 01:34.34 | eflynn | nevyn: yes it does thanks |
| 01:34.39 | eflynn | nevyn: utf-8 setting fixed it |
| 01:34.43 | nevyn | :) |
| 01:35.09 | ranix | asdf: you could strace less to find out what's happening |
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| 01:35.38 | ranix | asdf: also ls -hal /usr/bin/less |
| 01:35.40 | asdf | ranix: i noticed "Inappropriate ioctl for device" when ran strace |
| 01:35.55 | asdf | ranix: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Apr 19 18:23 /usr/bin/less -> /bin/less |
| 01:36.34 | asdf | i reinstalled it |
| 01:36.43 | ranix | I get a few ioctl(1, SNDCTL_TMR_TIMEBASE or TCGETS, 0x7fff6ea8e540) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument) |
| 01:36.54 | ranix | that's probably normal |
| 01:37.05 | MrFrood | asdf: try LESS='-GJx4P?f[%f]:[STDIN].?pB - [%pB\%]:\.\.\..' && export LESS |
| 01:37.44 | asdf | MrFrood: same :( |
| 01:37.57 | asdf | god damn, wtf is up with this |
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| 01:38.25 | asdf | i've been googling around on this all night |
| 01:38.25 | Kimmag | Is it normal that "Running after-installation menu" (95%) takes long time during install ? |
| 01:38.29 | MrFrood | !missconf |
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| 01:38.40 | MrFrood | !misconf |
| 01:38.47 | MrFrood | :( |
| 01:38.49 | ranix | asdf: have you tried an aptitude reinstall |
| 01:39.02 | asdf | ranix: i have |
| 01:39.06 | asdf | i'll try again though |
| 01:39.44 | asdf | meh, smae thing. i also tried purge and an install |
| 01:39.48 | MrFrood | I'm wonder ing if it's a terminal setiing thing? |
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| 01:40.02 | asdf | it acts the same whether i'm in screen or not |
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| 01:40.45 | MrFrood | asdf: can you ctrl+alt+F2 to at vt and try less there? +f7 to get back to X |
| 01:40.48 | nevyn | asdf: do you have broken options in LESS_OPTIONS |
| 01:41.07 | asdf | MrFrood: nothing in $LESS_OPTIONS |
| 01:41.17 | asdf | err nevyn |
| 01:41.23 | MrFrood | :) |
| 01:41.25 | asdf | MrFrood: this is a headless vps |
| 01:41.28 | Kimmag | HOw long does " running post-installation trigger menu " last? |
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| 01:42.07 | MrFrood | I find it odd that pg works but the newer pagers don't |
| 01:42.21 | eflynn | asdf: are you accessing it over ssh |
| 01:42.26 | asdf | eflynn: i yam |
| 01:42.46 | eflynn | asdf: are you using xterm? putty? |
| 01:42.53 | MrFrood | asdf: what is your $TERM setting? |
| 01:42.54 | asdf | eflynn: terminal.app on osx |
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| 01:43.08 | eflynn | asdf: Leopard? Snow Leopard? Tiger? |
| 01:43.09 | asdf | xterm-color on OSX |
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| 01:43.22 | asdf | eflynn: 10.6.7 |
| 01:44.20 | eflynn | asdf: ok i'm gonna pull out my mac and see if i can reproduce that |
| 01:44.30 | asdf | eflynn: wow, i appreciate it |
| 01:44.42 | MrFrood | I'm just wondering if it is defaulting to an ANSI term setting? |
| 01:45.05 | nusi | anyone else have email ocd |
| 01:45.19 | nusi | i guess i'll have to suck it up and learn sendmail or something if i want it to be my way :\ |
| 01:46.26 | MrFrood | asdf: do you have a line like "term screen" in your screenrc ? |
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| 01:47.20 | MrFrood | toe -a | grep screen to get a list of suitabl term types |
| 01:47.31 | asdf | MrFrood: i do, term "screen-256color" |
| 01:48.06 | asdf | this problem seems like it came out of nowhere |
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| 01:49.19 | MrFrood | asdf: we know pg works how about most or w3m ? |
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| 01:49.55 | asdf | in screen, most: failed to init terminal. |
| 01:49.57 | eflynn | i'm back |
| 01:50.15 | asdf | MrFrood: anf same thing outside of screen, which is very interesting |
| 01:50.17 | asdf | eflynn: wb |
| 01:50.41 | eflynn | asdf: it works for me... however i think if you can reset to defaults in Terminal.app then it should work |
| 01:50.57 | asdf | eflynn: ok one sec |
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| 01:51.36 | asdf | eflynn: meh, same |
| 01:52.19 | MrFrood | for some reason it seems to be defaultng to an ansi term |
| 01:52.22 | eflynn | under preferences, go to settings. click the wheel and click "restore defaults" |
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| 01:52.27 | eflynn | is that what you did |
| 01:52.34 | abrotman | ANSI? uh why? |
| 01:52.57 | asdf | eflynn: that's what, i did, now i have a white background and can hardly read the screen :D |
| 01:53.49 | MrFrood | I don't kno why - but anything more complex does not seem to work for him - pg works but more, less, most all fail |
| 01:56.12 | asdf | something must have broke along the way, i also get some funny tty errors in auth.log |
| 01:56.18 | asdf | Apr 19 21:51:22 slantnose sshd[29824]: error: Failed to disconnect from controlling tty. |
| 01:56.34 | asdf | it really confuses me, bc this server doesn't do much, serves up wordpress and my irc habit |
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| 01:56.49 | asdf | it's been online for a long time, too with no problems |
| 01:57.04 | asdf | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.25 | MrFrood | asdf: toe -a | grep screen on your server, does the term setting you are using show? |
| 01:59.30 | asdf | MrFrood: from my server terminal i have xterm-color and from screen it's screen-256color |
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| 02:00.12 | MrFrood | asdf: but does the server understand those? |
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| 02:01.11 | asdf | MrFrood: i've been using xterm-color for the life of the server, i switched to screen-256color today as i was tinkering with this problem |
| 02:01.23 | MrFrood | ok |
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| 02:02.56 | MrFrood | but I'd still run the toe -a command both remote & local to check the files have not been corrupted |
| 02:03.32 | asdf | MrFrood: if i run it on my macbook, what am i looking for? |
| 02:03.35 | asdf | xterm-color ? |
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| 02:06.06 | MrFrood | yes |
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| 02:06.26 | asdf | MrFrood: hmm, xterm-color on my macbook |
| 02:06.30 | MrFrood | toe -a | grep xtrem |
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| 02:07.24 | Resilience | I'm using debian wheezy and I have just erased accidentlaly /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf, how can I get it back? It seems that dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base does not work.... |
| 02:07.54 | dvs | Resilience: aptitude reinstall alsa-base ? |
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| 02:08.37 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 02:08.37 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>. |
| 02:09.15 | asdf | !lessisbusted |
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| 02:09.21 | asdf | *sniffle* |
| 02:09.24 | Resilience | dvs doe snot work |
| 02:09.39 | asdf | the what |
| 02:10.02 | MrFrood | Resilience: see the msg from dpkg above |
| 02:11.56 | Resilience | MrFrood, , ab rotmn, they are here right now, thanks |
| 02:12.53 | MrFrood | asdf: my best guess is that it is an issue with the TERM settings but not being too familiar with apple stuff I've no real idea how to diagnose and fix |
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| 02:14.25 | asdf | MrFrood: i really appreciate the help, hopefully i can figure this out :) |
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| 02:17.08 | abrotman | did he try another terminal app ? |
| 02:18.27 | asdf | abrotman: i haven't |
| 02:18.47 | asdf | i can try from the console of this server |
| 02:18.56 | abrotman | might be a good plan |
| 02:20.10 | asdf | same behavior on the console |
| 02:20.58 | MrFrood | asdf: same machine? |
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| 02:21.54 | eflynn | asdf: my hunch is it's not an issue with terminal app |
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| 02:22.12 | eflynn | asdf: rather, something is fscked up server-side |
| 02:22.29 | eflynn | asdf: but I don't have enough experience to say what wrong's |
| 02:22.47 | eflynn | asdf: what's wrong* |
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| 02:22.51 | MrFrood | if it is the same machine and if it is a term issue could be a problem with the terminfo files |
| 02:23.00 | Kimmag | Debian install won't detect my 3 seagate harddrives, what do I have to do ? |
| 02:23.05 | asdf | so the server is a vps on linode.com |
| 02:23.19 | asdf | i logged into their web console and was able to reproduce the problem |
| 02:23.20 | MrFrood | or I could be barking up the wrong tree :-/ |
| 02:23.42 | asdf | eflynn: i think it's server-side, imo |
| 02:24.44 | MrFrood | when you ssh in it is the servers terminfo files that are used |
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| 02:28.03 | asdf | lol, i googled and found this: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=59278 |
| 02:28.17 | asdf | more help from MrFrood :) |
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| 02:33.45 | MrFrood | :-D ... so now you know about my alter-ego as a cute bunny :-| |
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| 02:34.03 | dvs | kill the wabbit! |
| 02:34.13 | MrFrood | eek!!! |
| 02:34.19 | MrFrood | hides |
| 02:34.21 | alphur | ta. |
| 02:34.31 | asdf | lol and i learned about ta |
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| 02:35.24 | asdf | meh |
| 02:36.05 | MrFrood | giggles |
| 02:36.06 | nusi | look at all the arcane, useless, and historic terminals supported |
| 02:36.12 | Kimmag | Debian install won't find my three Seagate Cheetah discs, what do I do ? |
| 02:36.43 | asdf | MrFrood: http://pastebin.com/vWRYu9w5 |
| 02:36.44 | nusi | Kimmag: Post dmesg and disk controller info |
| 02:36.47 | asdf | an strace output |
| 02:36.59 | Kimmag | How am I supposed to do that? I don't have any OS on it.. |
| 02:37.32 | Kimmag | But afaik, it's a SATA disc, won't I need drivers to that ? |
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| 02:38.46 | Sazpaimon | does anyone know if there exists a 2.5.1 version of locales-all? |
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| 02:39.04 | abrotman | judd: versions locales-all |
| 02:39.06 | judd | Package locales-all on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; sid: 2.11.2-11; wheezy: 2.11.2-11; experimental: 2.13-0exp5 |
| 02:39.10 | Sazpaimon | or better question, is there a way to get older versions of packages for a specific debian version, like testing |
| 02:39.13 | abrotman | Sazpaimon: in etch maybe ... |
| 02:39.20 | abrotman | !tell Sazpaimon about ado |
| 02:39.21 | Sazpaimon | abrotman, etch is 2.3 |
| 02:39.27 | abrotman | !tell Sazpaimon about sdn |
| 02:39.29 | abrotman | there you go! |
| 02:39.33 | abrotman | good luck! |
| 02:39.33 | eflynn | Sazpaimon: there is, but I can't remember how to do it |
| 02:40.07 | Sazpaimon | abrotman, can I use etch's locales-all with libc 2.5.1? |
| 02:40.13 | eflynn | I just learned about named pipes. is there a common use for it? |
| 02:40.26 | abrotman | Sazpaimon: the bot pointed you at a location to find that package, if it existed |
| 02:40.41 | Sazpaimon | oh you meant there you go to sdn |
| 02:40.52 | Sazpaimon | good, cause I just realized that etch doesn't support armel anyway |
| 02:41.06 | abrotman | it does not |
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| 02:42.09 | MrFrood | can someone else also hve a look at asdf atrace pastebin in case i'm missing anything? |
| 02:42.25 | MrFrood | *strace |
| 02:42.32 | Sazpaimon | looks like the closest thing in sdn is 2.5-1,but I use 2.5.1-1 |
| 02:42.37 | asdf | fwiw: http://pastebin.com/vWRYu9w5 |
| 02:42.44 | abrotman | Sazpaimon: and where did oyu get it from? |
| 02:43.08 | Sazpaimon | abrotman, it's part of maemo, I need locales-all to backport PHP |
| 02:43.11 | asdf | the only tty device i have in /dev is /dev/tty, i'm not sure if that's related? |
| 02:43.17 | Sazpaimon | maemo doesn't supply one, unfortunately |
| 02:43.29 | abrotman | guess it's time to build one ? |
| 02:44.51 | Sazpaimon | abrotman, I guess so. If I build 2.5-whatever's package will it work for my libc6? |
| 02:44.55 | Sazpaimon | I assume so |
| 02:45.20 | abrotman | i have no idea .. i don't run maemo .. but people in #maemo do |
| 02:45.23 | Sazpaimon | actually, doesn't locales-all need to match the libc6 version exactly? |
| 02:46.11 | MrFrood | asdf: it seems to be checking the terminfo file without issue so bang goes that theory :-/ |
| 02:47.43 | Sazpaimon | abrotman, I'm a #maemo regular, most of the time we don't talk about package bulding |
| 02:47.54 | abrotman | dorks! |
| 02:47.55 | MrFrood | read(3, "\32\0019\0&\0\20\0\235\1[\2xterm-color|generic "..., 4097) = 1569 |
| 02:48.11 | asdf | MrFrood: so it looks to be something else... |
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| 02:48.48 | MrFrood | as much as I hate to say it it - yeah |
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| 02:50.00 | MrFrood | but a 2nd opinion would be good |
| 02:50.44 | asdf | MrFrood: what about line 51 from my strace > |
| 02:50.47 | asdf | err, ? |
| 02:50.55 | asdf | access("/etc/terminfo/x/xterm-color", R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
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| 02:51.19 | asdf | well, i guess it finds /lib/terminfo/x/xterm-color |
| 02:51.26 | Sazpaimon | hmm, the full version is actually 2.5.1-1eglibc27+0m5 |
| 02:51.41 | Sazpaimon | not sure if any of the debian source packages can jive with this.. |
| 02:51.47 | MrFrood | asdf: exactly |
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| 02:53.21 | MrFrood | asdf: do you think lines 61-63 may be of any significance..? |
| 02:54.43 | asdf | MrFrood: i saw that, but i'm not sure. my gut says no, but i'm so desperate, that maybe yes? :) |
| 02:55.06 | asdf | i think those files provide the key bindings |
| 02:55.08 | asdf | http://ss64.com/osx/less_options.html |
| 02:55.29 | MrFrood | asdf: that was what I thought |
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| 02:57.31 | Sazpaimon | on second look, maemo supplies a package called "locales" |
| 02:57.56 | Sazpaimon | http://maemo.org/packages/view/locales/ |
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| 02:58.24 | Sazpaimon | this looks like it's comperable to http://packages.debian.org/sid/locales-all |
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| 03:06.59 | MrFrood | asdf: can you try something like |
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| 03:07.39 | MrFrood | ssh -t user@server.foo 'export TERM=screen && file | /usr/bin/less' |
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| 03:09.51 | MrFrood | (just want to what explicity setting the term does) |
| 03:09.53 | asdf | MrFrood: one sec |
| 03:11.55 | asdf | MrFrood: seems to do the same, just dumps me to the console |
| 03:12.06 | MrFrood | :( |
| 03:12.40 | asdf | meh |
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| 03:13.18 | asdf | MrFrood: this error has me perplexed: sshd[30711]: error: Failed to disconnect from controlling tty. |
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| 03:14.13 | asdf | well, im' going to catch some sleep for now, i appreciate the help a lot. if you think of anything, please let me know :) |
| 03:14.24 | un214 | a wand of sleep |
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| 03:14.57 | MrFrood | asdf: good luck & gn |
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| 03:16.13 | asdf | thanks again :) |
| 03:17.46 | bendbanks | Hi all I'm having some issues with fonts, at the moment i can get msttfcorefonts and liberation to load on 64 install but can not get them to load on i386 any thoughts would be greatly appreciated |
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| 03:19.25 | I-are- | does anyone know how to fix this error? http://pastebin.com/bFAgyJf4 |
| 03:19.34 | Chapayev | what's the difference between freenode #debian and oftc #debian? |
| 03:19.39 | I-are- | I am trying to run QQ international in linux... |
| 03:20.00 | I-are- | oftc = off topic ?? |
| 03:20.12 | I-are- | or is that a server? |
| 03:20.15 | Arrowmaster | Chapayev: oftc is the 'official' channel but this one is more popular and older |
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| 03:20.21 | Chapayev | I-are-: oftc.net, different irc network with heavily-populated debian channel |
| 03:20.30 | SolomonKull | oftec is a sserver |
| 03:20.34 | MrFrood | Chapayev: not a lot - oftc is the offical channel though |
| 03:21.02 | Chapayev | i see, thanks |
| 03:22.09 | MrFrood | I-are-: what version of debian are you using? |
| 03:22.50 | MrFrood | Chapayev: you will find a lot of the same people hang out in both channels |
| 03:23.35 | I-are- | MrFrood, 5.0.6 |
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| 03:23.50 | MrFrood | lenny |
| 03:23.55 | I-are- | yeah lenny |
| 03:24.24 | MrFrood | looks like a dependancy issue |
| 03:24.54 | I-are- | MrFrood, is there a work around? almost all the sites that try to deal with this are in Chinese. |
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| 03:26.20 | andornaut | Ive been trying to get my synaptic touchpad (laptop) working on a fresh install all evening with no luck. It does work in the Debian installer - so I know it can be done. /proc/bus/input/devices doesn't list the synaptic device though - is there module i need to load or a package im missing on a fresh install? |
| 03:27.06 | un214 | has anybody cloned the installer to hd |
| 03:27.15 | MrFrood | I-are-: no idea - not really my area - best bet is to pop back when either europe or north america is awake and the channel more heavally populated and ask again |
| 03:27.16 | un214 | and tried replacing libc with standard package |
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| 03:27.56 | I-are- | than ks |
| 03:28.26 | MrFrood | andornaut: isn't there a page on the debian wiki dealing with touchpads? |
| 03:28.57 | andornaut | MrFrood: yep. I just noticed this part "If you are using a generic synaptic touchpad, but it fails to respond to tapping or scrolling actions under a new installation of Squeeze" ... worked :) |
| 03:28.57 | nsadmin | google for the device and see |
| 03:29.14 | andornaut | modprobe -r psmouse |
| 03:29.26 | MrFrood | !touchpad |
| 03:29.26 | dpkg | Synaptics is a X.org driver for laptop touchpads. For use in X, install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options; Configuration tools include synclient, gsynaptics and gpointing-device-settings (Squeeze). Not working? -> "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". Driver does not support X.org auto-configuration in Lenny. http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad . See also <clickpad>, <trackpoint>. |
| 03:29.32 | I-are- | MrFrood, thanks |
| 03:29.36 | nsadmin | oh yeah, I got one of those, squeeze, a synaptic that's failing to tap |
| 03:30.17 | nsadmin | andornaut: get rid of psmouse? |
| 03:30.28 | andornaut | nsadmin: and then modprobe psmouse proto=imps |
| 03:30.34 | andornaut | that wiki page helped |
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| 03:31.13 | nsadmin | ok, where would I put the part that does proto=imps so when it boots it does that |
| 03:31.44 | andornaut | nsadmin: add options psmouse proto=imps to /etc/modprobe.d/touchpad.conf |
| 03:32.01 | ctmjr | SolomonKull, fan of Robert E. Howard? |
| 03:32.04 | andornaut | it's in the wiki too |
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| 03:32.34 | andornaut | so, you don't want to get rid of psmouse, just start it with that option |
| 03:32.38 | nsadmin | that did it :) |
| 03:32.56 | nsadmin | wow all I had to do was switch from teevee to this |
| 03:33.04 | andornaut | =) |
| 03:33.17 | nsadmin | I was watching the A team tho... sigh... |
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| 03:33.37 | andornaut | movie=boo, tv show=found memories |
| 03:33.50 | andornaut | (though, I'm sure those memories are rose tinted) |
| 03:34.14 | andornaut | i doubt the tv show would be so great if i watched it now |
| 03:34.26 | nsadmin | it has a pretty close relation to stunts |
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| 03:36.49 | nsadmin | yep the options line works too |
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| 04:11.36 | voudras | is there a problem with the 6.0.1a net install atm? |
| 04:11.44 | voudras | dont seem to be able to find a mirror |
| 04:12.31 | voudras | getting choose-mirror warnings |
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| 04:13.30 | voudras | that they dont support squeeze |
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| 04:14.37 | voudras | oh its amd64 yoo |
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| 04:17.26 | voudras | i dont understand how debian.org doesnt support squeeze amd64 =\ |
| 04:17.31 | voudras | am i missing something |
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| 04:18.33 | nsadmin | less enter, more noise |
| 04:18.34 | nsadmin | err |
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| 04:18.47 | nsadmin | less enter and less noise, more content |
| 04:19.13 | voudras | what |
| 04:19.15 | macrobat | punctuation helps |
| 04:19.32 | nsadmin | you're asking what punctuation helps? |
| 04:20.03 | voudras | i run the wget command manually that choose-mirror is issuing and i get Suite: stable\nCodename: squeeze |
| 04:20.18 | voudras | then choose-mirror states it does not support squeeze |
| 04:20.25 | voudras | bug? |
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| 04:20.45 | nsadmin | you're trying to do what, upgrade? install new? |
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| 04:21.19 | voudras | install |
| 04:21.23 | voudras | net install amd64 |
| 04:22.04 | nsadmin | and you have an amd64 netinstall image burned to a cd? (note, this worked fine on my laptop) |
| 04:22.14 | voudras | right |
| 04:22.19 | voudras | 6.0.1a |
| 04:22.50 | nsadmin | what mirror did you pick? how many different mirrors did you try? |
| 04:22.56 | voudras | 20 |
| 04:22.59 | voudras | at least |
| 04:23.14 | nsadmin | hmm. that does sound buggy |
| 04:23.17 | voudras | and i manually did the wget from choose-mirror and it would appear that it has a parsing problem |
| 04:23.26 | voudras | i run the wget command manually that choose-mirror is issuing and i get Suite: stable\nCodename: squeeze |
| 04:23.34 | voudras | then choose-mirror states it does not support squeeze |
| 04:23.43 | nsadmin | show the exact parameter to wget |
| 04:23.54 | voudras | wget -q http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/squeeze/Release -O - |grep -E '^(Suite|Codename):' |
| 04:24.29 | voudras | does choose-mirror have a config file somehere in /etc |
| 04:24.39 | voudras | no vi damn |
| 04:24.51 | voudras | ah its a binary |
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| 04:25.52 | nsadmin | a very cursory check suggests at least that the web server there is running and responsive |
| 04:25.58 | voudras | dood |
| 04:26.02 | voudras | run the wget statement |
| 04:26.09 | voudras | it responds as it should |
| 04:26.32 | voudras | this is the same for any mirror i pick |
| 04:26.59 | voudras | 6.0.1a net install iso for amd64 |
| 04:27.14 | nsadmin | when you say "pick a mirror" do you mean having to type in a url? |
| 04:27.21 | voudras | no |
| 04:27.23 | voudras | dood |
| 04:27.26 | voudras | c'mon man |
| 04:27.29 | nsadmin | so pick from a list? |
| 04:27.33 | voudras | right |
| 04:28.24 | nsadmin | if it's failing for every mirror, that could indicate the image is buggy, but it could also indicate something about your network |
| 04:28.40 | voudras | it could, but i checked that first |
| 04:29.01 | nsadmin | are you using any kind of transparant proxy? |
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| 04:29.13 | nsadmin | or is your isp? |
| 04:29.35 | voudras | fuck it im going to bed |
| 04:29.39 | voudras | lates guys -thanks |
| 04:30.39 | nsadmin | either answer the questions posed, figure it out on your own, or choose another dist |
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| 04:32.16 | voudras | yeah no shit |
| 04:32.24 | voudras | thanks for the hot tip |
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| 05:53.32 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Anyone know why exactly aptitude is using ftp instead of rsync? rsync only sends the modified parts of changed files and then compressed and sent via ssh. |
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| 05:54.39 | DetroitLibertyPe | JaMeSiTeGeN, I have no idea, but why does it matter? |
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| 05:55.36 | JaMeSiTeGeN | DetroitLibertyPe: Download quota, perfect for cases of unstable/sid as there are so many updates and it sends big deb files instead of just the modified files. |
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| 05:56.40 | JaMeSiTeGeN | DetroitLibertyPe: Also download time, and update time, it would save soo much time. |
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| 06:10.09 | snufft | hey guys, quick n00b question here. i'm having a little problem with the repositories which are currently set in my sources.list. Looking at the mirror list at www.debian.org/mirror/sponsors, can i list a mirror as just deb ftp://mirrorname.org, without specifying squeeze/updates or the like? |
| 06:11.19 | catsup | no |
| 06:12.06 | snufft | catsup: thanks :) i'll keep ploughing the docs then :P |
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| 06:13.26 | sepski | JaMeSiTeGeN, ftp/http is not resource intensive (when it comes to cpu) . many rsync users would bring the servers to a grinding halt. that's why most (all?) mirrors that have rsync option have a connection limit. |
| 06:14.49 | catsup | rsync protocol is for files that change in the middle |
| 06:14.56 | catsup | packages you just need to resume downloads |
| 06:15.02 | catsup | so rsync is just slower |
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| 06:15.57 | catsup | nsadmin2: xrandr sets resolution |
| 06:16.18 | JaMeSiTeGeN | sepski: Humm, okay well, can anyone explain debtorrent and how to use it with several servers? |
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| 06:19.38 | sepski | JaMeSiTeGeN, what do you mean several servers ? you get the torrents from the mirrors you specify and from there is uses bit torrent. (what i could understand from http://debtorrent.alioth.debian.org/ ) |
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| 06:27.42 | JaMeSiTeGeN | sepski: Do you know how to get aptitude to use debtorrent ?? |
| 06:27.46 | JaMeSiTeGeN | be default |
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| 06:29.14 | sepski | no. but read the link. especialy the part where it saies "detailed instructions how to ..." |
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| 06:35.31 | JaMeSiTeGeN | sepski: Okay, done all changes and installed everything required, so how much does this increase the download time? |
| 06:35.43 | JaMeSiTeGeN | increase -> improve/ |
| 06:36.11 | sepski | test it |
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| 06:38.18 | erAbuelo | buenos dias |
| 06:38.39 | JaMeSiTeGeN | sepski: I am, but i cant see any differences. i have no large packages to install, is there a large dummy package of nothing? |
| 06:38.45 | JaMeSiTeGeN | to test things like this? |
| 06:41.56 | sepski | JaMeSiTeGeN, i dont think you'd notice much difference in downloading speed if you previously used a relativly close mirror. difference is that with debmirror you will help ease the load of the mirrors by also uploading to other debmirror users. |
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| 06:45.25 | _newb | my router says it's relaying http requests to the (debian) server running apache, but the index.htm page isn't resolving.. any idea where i can start troubleshooting? |
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| 06:47.18 | JaMeSiTeGeN | try index.html :l |
| 06:47.27 | Corey | _newb: What do the logs say? |
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| 06:48.54 | _newb | checked access & error, and they're not seeing any traffic |
| 06:49.33 | digdilem_ | is your local firewall rejecting traffic? |
| 06:50.22 | _newb | digdilem_: it never used to.. but i upgraded the firmware (because it kept dropping connection --- totally different issue) and now i can't tell if reqs are even getting thru the router to the webserver. |
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| 06:52.43 | _newb | this might be a dumb question: do i need to set the "domain name" in the linksys router software to match the "servername" in the apache config? |
| 06:52.52 | _newb | or is that irrelevent |
| 06:52.53 | catsup | no |
| 06:53.04 | Corey | _newb: Can you establish a TCP connection to port 80 on the server? |
| 06:53.05 | catsup | irrelevant |
| 06:53.09 | Corey | Is httpd running? |
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| 06:53.18 | Corey | Is it bound to the proper IP |
| 06:53.20 | Corey | etc... |
| 06:53.22 | catsup | what do you mean the page isn't resolving |
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| 06:53.49 | _newb | Corey: yea, i can browse to it by addressing the server network name (ex: http://debianserver:1500/) |
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| 06:54.04 | catsup | you have a dns resolution problem |
| 06:54.08 | catsup | ? |
| 06:54.09 | _newb | Corey: but i can't browse to it using my dyndns name anymore |
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| 06:54.13 | catsup | that has nothing to do with your network |
| 06:54.19 | Corey | Or likely your system. |
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| 06:54.23 | _newb | catsup: how do you suggest i troubleshoot? |
| 06:54.24 | Corey | loses interest |
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| 06:54.28 | ravenzz | hello |
| 06:54.42 | catsup | _newb: you didn't really explain the error behavior |
| 06:55.25 | ravenzz | sometimes my hd switch to read-only mode due to ddos attack, then i need to reboot |
| 06:55.28 | catsup | _newb: check to make sure the domain name is resolving to the public ip of the router. if it is, then the router configuration is almost certainly the issue. |
| 06:55.41 | ravenzz | how i can do that automatically with cron? |
| 06:55.45 | _newb | catsup: i can browse internally to the webserver (ex: using http://debianserver:1500/) and if i ping my external domain (ex: http://myexternal.domain.com:1500/) it pings to my external IP, however, there's no webpage resolving at the external domain, like it does at the internal server addy |
| 06:56.02 | catsup | ok, you're not quite using the term 'resolve' correctly |
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| 06:56.26 | catsup | if you can ping myexternal.domain.com, that's pinging your router (hopefully) |
| 06:56.27 | _newb | catsup: i didn't know a better word to use, sorry. |
| 06:56.37 | _newb | catsup: yes! .. i see my own external ip |
| 06:56.42 | catsup | ok |
| 06:56.55 | catsup | so the router isn't forwarding the port |
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| 06:57.09 | ravenzz | it's a forwarding issue |
| 06:57.30 | _newb | catsup: how do you suggest i begin troubleshooting? |
| 06:57.55 | catsup | if this equipment is anything like it usually is, what you do now is go to the router's web interface and dick around with it |
| 06:58.01 | ravenzz | search for port forwarding on your router admin panel |
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| 06:58.09 | gauge | hey, I'm haing some problems w/ my sound card. I need the emu10k1 module to work, but everytime I try to use alsamixer i get a snd-ctl-open error. Help? |
| 06:58.14 | catsup | try random shit like unsetting the port forward, rebooting it, and resetting it |
| 06:58.36 | _newb | catsup: i have all 1500-1500 requests pointed to the webserver's internal IP (this is set up the way it was before the firmware upgrade) |
| 06:58.37 | catsup | in all probability it's a total black box written by half-competents |
| 06:59.14 | catsup | ya well clearly upgrading the firmware broke that forwarding rule |
| 06:59.50 | _newb | catsup: i'll try that now. mind if i hit u up later if i have no luck? |
| 07:00.16 | catsup | you can ask me questions but it's unlikely i'll know anything about your router... |
| 07:00.41 | _newb | catsup: thx dude :) |
| 07:00.57 | ravenzz | sometimes my hd switch to read-only mode due to ddos attack, then i need to reboot, how i can do that automatically with cron? indeed that's a bash scripting question |
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| 07:04.19 | digdilem_ | ravenzz, why would it switch to read only in the first place? |
| 07:05.14 | ravenzz | because it's a net-hd i suppose |
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| 07:05.25 | ravenzz | maybe some security policy of my vps |
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| 07:06.32 | ravenzz | i've got a dedicated with shared hd |
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| 07:07.33 | ravenzz | i'm looking for something if (is_readonly) reboot |
| 07:07.53 | ravenzz | i wouldn't do this in php |
| 07:09.22 | gauge | Sorry to be a bother; could anyone guide me through installing/verifing my emu10k1 audio module is set up right? |
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| 07:59.41 | homie | why do you want to change it ? |
| 08:00.39 | disaster123 | i have a jail for all my users where i don't have passwd and shadow and i can't create them (doesn't matter why ;-) ) and i want thant getpwuid just uses the USER and HOME ENVs instead of trying to read the passwd file |
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| 08:03.15 | jelly-home | disaster123: make a wrapper library for relevant libc calls |
| 08:04.08 | Ox1 | good luck with that |
| 08:04.29 | jelly-home | disaster123: or fix your system's name services (/etc/nsswitch.conf) to use something else instead of /etc/{passwd,shadow} |
| 08:05.23 | disaster123 | jelly-home: sounds great but io think my C knowledge isn't good enough to write a wrapper. Can you give me an example how todo it? At the moment i've modified ssh-keygen, ssh, opensftp and stuff like that to use the ENV vars but there are even more programs to modify and my idea was to replace just the calls ;-) |
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| 08:06.08 | jelly-home | disaster123: no, I can't. investigate LD_PRELOAD wrapper libraries |
| 08:06.36 | jelly-home | disaster123: or fix your system to read that data from someplace else |
| 08:07.05 | Ox1 | ldap for instance |
| 08:07.07 | sepski | disaster123, nsswitch and use something else. like nis or sql or ldap ? |
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| 08:07.16 | ma3x | i have partition1 which is not encrypted and i want to encrypt all data on it. should i create partition2 and copy all data there and then recreate partition1 with encryption and restore the data ther? |
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| 08:07.40 | Ox1 | ma3x: yes |
| 08:08.56 | disaster123 | jelly-home: at the moment nsswitch.conf says passwd: compat, group: compat, shadow: compat |
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| 08:09.21 | jelly-home | disaster123: you're going to have to use a different module than compat |
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| 08:09.56 | disaster123 | is there a list of modules? |
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| 08:11.17 | jelly-home | disaster123: read the comment in the conf file for the proper documentation. apt-cache search libnss, ls -l /usr/lib/libnss* |
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| 08:11.50 | jelly-home | disaster123: mind, glibc-doc package is in the non-free section |
| 08:12.05 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell disaster123 about non-free sources |
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| 08:14.27 | disaster123 | jelly-home: mhm but when i switch to something like ldap or sql how can i achieve that nobody else can read these files / get information from it. My goal is that usera does not know that userb does exist. At the moment when i add both to /etc/passwd / shadow they can see who exist and who doesn't as passwd and shadow need the world readable bit. |
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| 08:16.51 | ectospasm | has anybody had any problems with LibreOffice on Debian? On my two Debian machines (x86 & amd64) it works normally for a short period of time, but then saving files causes the program to hang. Clicking the save icon on the toolbar, or choosing "Save As..." from the File menu gives me the problem |
| 08:17.04 | ectospasm | I've been forced to revert to OpenOffice.org on these machines |
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| 08:17.43 | ectospasm | I know LibreOffice isn't officially supported, but I was wondering if it's just me (I'm using squeeze on all Debian machines, btw) |
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| 08:18.46 | jelly-home | ectospasm: it's pretty much the same code anyway, so why bother? |
| 08:18.51 | jelly-home | !debian ooo |
| 08:18.51 | dpkg | <OpenOffice.org> in Debian has been following the fork at http://go-oo.org/ for several years, meaning that OOo in Debian has had a set of LGPLv3 patches that Sun refused to accept on the grounds of their licence. The fork at go-oo.org has joined the <libreoffice> project so while there's a change in name for the openoffice.org packages in Debian, there's little practical difference for users at this stage. |
| 08:19.31 | ectospasm | LibreOffice is prettier (-; |
| 08:19.50 | ectospasm | ...and there are some changes which are NOT in OO.o, but I haven't looked for that list yet. |
| 08:20.04 | AL13N_work | i have a problem with the debian /etc/network/interfaces ; i want to make sure that i boot up with eth0 up (but without ip address) and at the same time eth0:0 alias having an ip address and options ; atm i have this: http://pastebin.com/vbXAy0uN ; but that is horrible... is there a better way? |
| 08:21.44 | sepski | AL13N_work, wha? there is no difference between the first and second ip on a interface. why do you want that ? |
| 08:22.10 | AL13N_work | sepski: it's for particular ip interfaces later on |
| 08:22.16 | soa2ii | It seems that cron-apt is getting caught in a loop or something. It just does not run through. Any ideas what could be wrong? |
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| 08:22.54 | AL13N_work | sepski: in any case there seems to be no way to boot with an interface up; without assigning an ip address |
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| 08:23.03 | AL13N_work | if i use manual, it doesn't set the interface up |
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| 08:23.13 | AL13N_work | and auto eth0:0 seems also not to work |
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| 08:24.12 | AL13N_work | sepski: eth0 will be set by something else at a specific time when something else gets up |
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| 08:24.24 | sepski | i guess auto only brings up interfaces not ip aliases. |
| 08:24.29 | AL13N_work | indeed |
| 08:24.38 | sepski | and does it matter what order the ip's are on your interface ? |
| 08:24.42 | AL13N_work | or at least it doesn't work if the interface is down |
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| 08:25.34 | AL13N_work | btw: i've had this problem also in my xen setup; i need an interface that is up, but has no ip address, because it's used later by xen's network |
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| 08:26.37 | AL13N_work | i've even tried using static with ip address 0.0.0.0 but that doesn't work |
| 08:26.51 | AL13N_work | this is what works in other distro's |
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| 08:27.18 | AL13N_work | and gentoo also has a "null" identifier |
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| 08:27.34 | AL13N_work | sepski: so, there is no better way then? |
| 08:27.50 | sepski | AL13N_work, i still dont understand why you there there is a difference between the ip address on eth0 without a label and a ip address on eth0 with the label :0 |
| 08:28.19 | AL13N_work | eth0 is going to be used by another process at a later time |
| 08:28.30 | AL13N_work | and specific firewall rules will be in effect for it |
| 08:28.39 | AL13N_work | this way this setup will be identical to all the others |
| 08:29.08 | AL13N_work | (ie: the ones not using this extra ip address) |
| 08:29.15 | redex | Hello. What do i install to control cpu fan speed? I tried fancontrol but can't get it working. |
| 08:29.50 | AL13N_work | sepski: i can hardly change all the other machines and firewall just for this one to be identical to the others... |
| 08:30.05 | AL13N_work | sepski: i've used this process with other distro's just fine |
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| 08:32.06 | sepski | AL13N_work, looks like some remenant from back when there was only ifconfig. and a concept of subinterfaces. if what you have works, then just use it. |
| 08:33.05 | sepski | AL13N_work, personally i dont define eth0;0 as stances anymore |
| 08:33.35 | AL13N_work | sepski: what do you do for ip aliases then? |
| 08:34.28 | sepski | if i want to add multiple ip's i do it usually with up ip addr add ip/lenght dev |
| 08:34.43 | AL13N_work | sighs |
| 08:34.51 | sepski | and i tend to use ip instead of ifconfig |
| 08:35.18 | AL13N_work | sepski: it is kind of usefull to have an alias to work with ifup and ifdown |
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| 08:35.42 | AL13N_work | especially if it has extra options like in this case |
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| 08:36.39 | sepski | what kind of extra options. I'd never mix 2 subnetworks on the same interface. only ip aliases. if i want multiple network i use vlan's |
| 08:36.51 | AL13N_work | sepski: i use ip alot, but setting an interface to up doesn't really matter how you do it. i expected that the auto would do it for me; even in manual mode |
| 08:36.54 | sepski | (or other real interfaces) |
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| 08:38.07 | AL13N_work | sepski: these aren't different subnetworks; it's the same, only depending on which is up, other DNSes are used |
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| 08:38.28 | erAbuelo | re |
| 08:38.37 | AL13N_work | vlan just adds another point of failure |
| 08:38.38 | sepski | right |
| 08:38.50 | AL13N_work | which in this case seems overkill |
| 08:39.04 | sepski | AL13N_work, if it's the same subnet, vlan is pointless. |
| 08:39.17 | sussudio | slashdot.org just proxy-scanned me... is this new? |
| 08:39.34 | AL13N_work | sepski: so yeah, there is no better way then |
| 08:40.52 | sepski | cant find a single machine where i still use the eth0:0 stanca method. i know i used to back in sarge and woody days |
| 08:41.41 | AL13N_work | sepski: well, it can be usefull so that ifup works with it |
| 08:42.00 | gravitymeme | hi #debian! |
| 08:42.04 | AL13N_work | if you're using it dynamically |
| 08:42.12 | gravitymeme | :) |
| 08:42.55 | AL13N_work | sepski: IMHO, if you use up and down scripts alot, it usually points to some shortcomings in the networking scripts of the distro |
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| 08:47.01 | sepski | i don't but then i have never had constraints like you do there. |
| 08:47.18 | sepski | if you change from one set of options to the other you could look at the mapping method in interfaces |
| 08:47.20 | sepski | man interfaces. |
| 08:47.27 | sepski | not sure if it applies to your case tho.l |
| 08:47.47 | sepski | but there you can set rules for when the one or the other stanca is used. |
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| 08:52.58 | ma3x | when im setting up a encrypted partition should it be separate than boot? |
| 08:53.32 | ma3x | i mean can it all together be encrypted? or should i have separate non-encrypted /boot ? |
| 08:53.38 | sepski | I allways reccomend a separate /boot |
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| 08:55.33 | thegraham | Hey, maybe i'm being stupid, but I've spend ages searching on google and I can't work out how to make messages moved to a specific folder by my .forward file be marked as read. Anyone know how I do this? |
| 08:57.10 | CoolCold | thegraham: that might depend on your mail system configuration |
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| 09:00.19 | petemc | thegraham: you can use the maildir_tag option on a router |
| 09:00.37 | petemc | thegraham: not sure about doing it with filter |
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| 09:16.51 | deb | hello guys i have a debian machine with NAT. one nic is 10.0.0.* range and the other is 172.16.110.* the i'm on the 10.0.0.* side why i cant ping a ip adres on 172.16.110.*? |
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| 09:18.49 | jelly | deb: the machine isn't set up to do packet forwarding and routing? |
| 09:18.52 | digdilem_ | deb, you don't have routing setup properly |
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| 09:19.24 | cheater00 | hi guys |
| 09:19.28 | thegraham | CoolCold: I'm doing it using a .forward file and the mail system is using exim4 |
| 09:19.55 | cheater00 | i am in gnome-terminal and need to launch a process so that it doesn't get killed when i close the terminal. how do i do that? |
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| 09:21.26 | ectospasm | cheater00: try launching it with Alt-F2, rather than from in GNOME terminal |
| 09:21.38 | cheater00 | i only have gnome-terminal though |
| 09:21.45 | cheater00 | i don't have access to alt-f2 |
| 09:21.47 | ectospasm | basically, when you launch it in gnome-terminal, gnome-terminal is the parent |
| 09:21.59 | ectospasm | sounds like a problem. Are you using GNOME? |
| 09:22.23 | cheater00 | yes gnome2 |
| 09:22.35 | cheater00 | and i was just ctrl-alt-tabbing around the various panels, and it took a hiccup |
| 09:22.45 | cheater00 | i couldn't do anything, no response to keyboard or mouse |
| 09:22.46 | ectospasm | OK, then Alt-F2 should work, starts the Run... dialog |
| 09:22.50 | cheater00 | so i went to tty1 and killed metacity |
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| 09:23.01 | cheater00 | then i couldn't do any keyboard input at all |
| 09:23.47 | cheater00 | still had irc on the desktop and for some reason and a gnome-terminal, so i went to the tty, connected here and /notice'd myself with the command |
| 09:23.53 | cheater00 | and copypasted it into gnome-terminal |
| 09:23.55 | ectospasm | cheater00: you could switch to tty1, and launch whatever program either in a screen session (for CLI programs), or tell the GUI program to open on display :0.0 |
| 09:24.20 | ectospasm | ...or whatever your Display is |
| 09:24.23 | cheater00 | when i told metacity to start in tty1, it said it couldn't open the display |
| 09:24.32 | cheater00 | how do i pass the display number? |
| 09:24.40 | ectospasm | right, because you should have restarted GDM |
| 09:24.46 | ectospasm | ...metacity is only the WM |
| 09:24.52 | ectospasm | ...afaicr |
| 09:24.57 | cheater00 | but i didn't want to kill all my apps |
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| 09:25.06 | cheater00 | and after restarting metacity everything works |
| 09:25.13 | catsup | DISPLAY=:0 command |
| 09:25.15 | cheater00 | except now metacity is running inside screen (the only idea i had) |
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| 09:25.31 | cheater00 | catsup thanks |
| 09:25.44 | ectospasm | there's also the GTK option --display |
| 09:25.51 | shomon | Loads of apps I have can't do any middle button pasting. Does anyone here know where that might be turned back on? or is it per app? |
| 09:26.03 | catsup | don't use --display, it won't set the environment for other apps launched by the first one |
| 09:26.09 | shomon | tomboy and thunderbird are two culprits.. I just switched to libre office, but ooo was always bad at it too |
| 09:26.23 | ectospasm | shomon: sounds like an X problem |
| 09:26.38 | shomon | or a "feature", depending how you look at it ;) |
| 09:26.42 | ectospasm | shomon: does xev show the middle-click events? |
| 09:26.45 | shomon | ok so it's in the xconfig. |
| 09:27.08 | ectospasm | not necessarily, but if you're using xorg.conf it should be in there. |
| 09:27.14 | sepski | shomon, just tested in icedove (thunderbird) and works for me. (kde 4) |
| 09:27.18 | ectospasm | look for ZAxisMapping |
| 09:27.27 | MeglaW | not really debian maybee but i can ssh in from outside, https is open from outside (my lan) but irc looks closed and cant be connected to, 6668 meglaw.no-ip.biz |
| 09:27.31 | MeglaW | pls help |
| 09:27.31 | shomon | I'm just trying xev |
| 09:28.03 | shomon | MeglaW, some ISPs might filter high ports like that? |
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| 09:28.20 | crilly | I have a bash script which I am executing early hours of the morning via a cronjob. The crontab line is this: " 0 1 * * * /usr/bin/backup/backup.sh". The script basically is a backup script for backing up multiple servers (Linux and Windows) using rsync. During its process it calls a script which basically runs the command "zfs snapshot backups/<server>@<date>". If I leave the script to run via the crontab, the snapshot isn't taken, but if I |
| 09:28.27 | crilly | Was that all received or did it cut off? |
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| 09:28.51 | shomon | ah, so it is registering middle button events but not in a tomboy note |
| 09:28.56 | crilly | Actually I will pastebin the paragraph and include 'ls' output. |
| 09:29.03 | cheater00 | so... again |
| 09:29.15 | cheater00 | if i'm in the terminal, how do i launch something so that it doesn't get killed when i close the terminal? |
| 09:29.20 | cheater00 | there's gotta be a way? |
| 09:29.26 | cheater00 | some sort of signal blocking? |
| 09:29.32 | Dewi | cheater00: nohup cmd & |
| 09:29.40 | cheater00 | oh nohup |
| 09:30.04 | Dewi | cheater00: or just learn to love 'screen' |
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| 09:30.24 | cheater00 | i know screen, but i don't really want metacity running inside screen |
| 09:30.27 | cheater00 | one more point of failure |
| 09:30.41 | Iridos | crilly, cut off... and you most probably forgot to include /usr/bin in your path |
| 09:30.57 | Dewi | cheater00: indeed |
| 09:31.24 | shomon | I'm getting varying results from xev - where can I tweak the config? |
| 09:31.29 | MeglaW | shomon: ok.. how can i find out if so |
| 09:31.59 | cheater00 | works great, thanks guys |
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| 09:32.03 | ectospasm | shomon: are you middle-clicking in the demo window? |
| 09:32.08 | shomon | yes |
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| 09:32.43 | ectospasm | shomon: the CLI should display info about each press and release event, or scrolling event |
| 09:32.49 | crilly | Iridos: I call the script directly using the absolute path. |
| 09:32.52 | shomon | MeglaW, it could be you're not port forwarding to the router. So check router settings, then try doing a network scan within your network, and comparing that to one from outside, but that's just a guess |
| 09:33.14 | Iridos | crilly, hm, /sbin for zfs in this case... "man 5 crontab" |
| 09:33.33 | crilly | http://pastebin.com/T0hmxwTp |
| 09:33.40 | MeglaW | shomon: iv done that. |
| 09:33.47 | crilly | Iridos: Hmm I see. Yeah inside the bash scripts I don't use the absolute path. |
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| 09:34.02 | catsup | set -x in the shell script |
| 09:34.08 | MeglaW | shomon: like i said 2 ports are open but one looks closed to nmap |
| 09:34.12 | MeglaW | from outside |
| 09:34.19 | catsup | pastebin output |
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| 09:34.38 | catsup | crilly: k? |
| 09:34.55 | shomon | sorry MeglaW I have a similar issue with a high port just never opening.. I switched to a lower one in the end... |
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| 09:35.27 | shomon | also I use dyndns and they are usually pinging you to check you aren't doing nasty stuff :) |
| 09:35.29 | crilly | catsup: That's a letter. There are 25 more to collect. Collect them all for 100 LOLLER points. |
| 09:35.35 | MeglaW | shomon: ah ok....ill call my isp theb |
| 09:36.21 | catsup | crilly: just wanted to indicate that the previous was for you... since i forgot to prefix it |
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| 09:36.33 | crilly | catsup: ;) |
| 09:36.42 | crilly | catsup: What does 'set -x' do then? |
| 09:36.56 | Iridos | crilly, Several environment variables are set up automatically by the cron(8) daemon. [...] PATH is set to "/usr/bin:/bin". |
| 09:37.02 | catsup | it will cause the shell to output each command before it executes |
| 09:37.45 | catsup | you should also pastebin the script source |
| 09:38.50 | dullboy | someone knows well paralell-ssh? |
| 09:39.02 | catsup | btw these scripts belong in /usr/local/sbin/ |
| 09:39.08 | crilly | Iridos: That is likely the issue, then. I will call the zfs binary directly via an absolute path. |
| 09:39.20 | crilly | catsup: Yeah? Should I move them then? |
| 09:39.54 | Iridos | crilly, just set the path to what you had working either in the script or export it in the crontab line running the script |
| 09:39.58 | Iridos | crilly, btw. this is problem #1 people have with crontab... google for "crontab problem" and probably something like 9 out of 10... |
| 09:40.30 | dullboy | I need to run different ssh commands in parallel, where only one argument changes... |
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| 09:40.44 | crilly | Iridos: I just called "zfs..." in the script. There was no path defined. I was counting on the bash path environment var' being in place - my mistake :) |
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| 09:41.13 | bullgard4 | What command-line command determines the currently used desktop environment? |
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| 09:41.26 | TB | hello, the installer ISO of debian/hurd is just ~10MB, is this right? |
| 09:41.40 | crilly | http://pastebin.com/sBtuMC5w - this is the script, Iridos & catsup |
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| 09:42.27 | shomon | ectospasm, xev is reporting all the mouse events from the various buttons... but I haven't a clue what that means :). |
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| 09:43.52 | shomon | on the other hand I just got TXMouse in virtualbox... so windows is middleclicking happy |
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| 09:43.56 | Iridos | bullgard4, possibly xprop -root |
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| 09:44.30 | Iridos | or possibly not |
| 09:45.28 | Bulldog | whats the difference between this debian and other debian based distros |
| 09:45.41 | TB__ | hello, the installer ISO of debian/hurd is just ~10MB, is this right? |
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| 09:46.14 | bullgard4 | Iridos: This obtains: 'xprop: unable to open display ''.' |
| 09:46.15 | Iridos | Bulldog, you'll have to ask the debian based distros... they take debian and make changes... so how should _we_ know... |
| 09:46.25 | Bulldog | ok |
| 09:47.10 | Iridos | bullgard4, that means you don't have a display set... which means the command is not executed from a graphical environment |
| 09:48.01 | bullgard4 | Iridos: GNOME 2 is running. |
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| 09:50.08 | crilly | Iridos: I've changed by scripts to the new location "/usr/local/sbin/backup" and I've used absolute paths in any calls to external binaries. |
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| 09:51.17 | shomon | MeglaW, did you get anywhere with your ISP? |
| 09:51.48 | Iridos | bullgard4, what is is you're really trying to do |
| 09:51.49 | MeglaW | naaa havent done it yet |
| 09:52.06 | shomon | :) |
| 09:52.10 | Iridos | TB__, Try it and see? |
| 09:52.29 | TB__ | not, just downloaded it |
| 09:53.40 | bullgard4 | Iridos: To ask an intelligent question why ssh-agent presently is no process. |
| 09:53.45 | Iridos | TB__, http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-install |
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| 09:54.30 | Iridos | bullgard4, I don't think I understood that :) |
| 09:54.57 | bullgard4 | Iridos: I'm sorry. -- Thank you for commenting. |
| 09:55.23 | ali3n0 | hi guys. how can I match an UUID with a mounted disk? mount tells me /dev/sdc1 but I see links to /dev/dm-* under /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 09:55.26 | TB__ | hey, is that english? |
| 09:55.28 | Iridos | do you mean why ssh-agent hasn't been started? |
| 09:55.41 | bullgard4 | Iridos: Yes. |
| 09:55.43 | TB__ | I'd like to think that it's french |
| 09:55.55 | TB__ | Ce document vise à fournir un jeu d'instructions |
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| 09:56.15 | Dewi | bullgard4: debian is quite general-purpose, purist with licensing, and very stable (and thus relatively slow-moving) |
| 09:56.24 | Dewi | oops |
| 09:56.34 | Dewi | Bulldog: debian is quite general-purpose, purist with licensing, and very stable (and thus relatively slow-moving) |
| 09:56.48 | ali3n0 | disregard that, I wasn't seeing the right link, sorry |
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| 09:57.33 | cheater00 | cya |
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| 09:57.52 | Iridos | TB__, debians pages are honoring your choice of language (as set in the browser)... I see the page in english |
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| 09:58.38 | Iridos | (I must admit I mostly find localization a nuisance... also with web-pages which are just presented in a different language without an obvious link to other languages) |
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| 09:59.44 | Dewi | Iridos: well you can't expect everyone to learn English. Where would that leave the poor Americans? |
| 10:00.00 | Iridos | bullgard4, I think it's supposed to be started after login and before your window manager (and also DE) are started, independent of what it is... |
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| 10:01.00 | Iridos | Dewi, hehe... I meant I often do not _want_ the localization chosen by an install ... I don't want a bad translation if there's a good and readable english original |
| 10:01.32 | Dewi | Iridos: ah I see what you mean. |
| 10:02.10 | bullgard4 | Iridos: That's what I thought so too. |
| 10:02.31 | Iridos | Dewi, and debians pages will just show up in the language set in the "preferred language" of the browser with no obvious way to switch to another language... so thats a) rather surprising when you first encounter it and b) can be annoying |
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| 10:03.59 | Dewi | Iridos: there's a little switch at the bottom of the page, but it's not immediately obvious. It's a bit like all those pages that decide my mobile should see a completely minimal page, or tells me I have safari configured wrong |
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| 10:08.58 | remoteCTRL2 | Hi guys! sorry to ask this question here but it is sort of multi topic and i dunno where else to ask: |
| 10:09.32 | remoteCTRL2 | i am trying to install tiki wiki groupware cms but the installer always gives me a blank page after attempting to connect to the mysql database |
| 10:10.07 | remoteCTRL2 | sofar i have installd php5 mod for apache php5-mysql and enabled the extensions in php.ini... |
| 10:10.17 | remoteCTRL2 | it is really a question for #php right? |
| 10:10.39 | Dewi | remoteCTRL2: perhaps. Try tailing apache's error log tho |
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| 10:11.17 | remoteCTRL2 | Dewi: thanks for the hint! |
| 10:11.18 | streuner | http://info.tiki.org/Help+Others |
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| 10:11.39 | streuner | remoteCTRL2: http://irc.tiki.org/ |
| 10:11.49 | remoteCTRL2 | streuner: even better! dankeschoen! :) |
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| 10:12.18 | streuner | remoteCTRL2: check out the URL above, they have ML, forum and irc support as well... |
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| 10:12.44 | remoteCTRL2 | streuner: yep, i just saw, in that case will go and bother them instead:) |
| 10:12.51 | remoteCTRL2 | thanks again! |
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| 10:17.43 | catsup | it's not really a php question |
| 10:18.07 | catsup | remoteCTRL2: it sounds it's not connecting to the database...? |
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| 10:18.46 | remoteCTRL2 | catsup: guys in their channel say it might be due to insufficient memory being allocated through php.ini, still on it... |
| 10:19.04 | catsup | is mysql running, does the script have the permissions to access the database |
| 10:19.45 | streuner | remoteCTRL2: How much RAM do you have, btw? |
| 10:20.14 | remoteCTRL2 | streuner: some 4 gig |
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| 10:41.25 | Iridos | wtf? |
| 10:41.29 | RACER-X | {blow} 725753642b42535a4f4262624576736f3865756f2f37794f417362787133754c6a5639382b755969653556786261536f592f7866334d4f4b36526f53565747484758617261515663586d6d660a456d52703555444939306c735a33513d0a |
| 10:41.43 | Dewi | !ops RACER-X spambot |
| 10:41.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: dewi complains about: RACER-X spambot |
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| 10:41.53 | RACER-X | im talking to someone dont worry about it |
| 10:42.04 | uoods | use /msg |
| 10:42.06 | RichiH | hmm |
| 10:42.08 | RACER-X | its private |
| 10:42.11 | klrr | hi, been trying to install php5.3 from dotdeb, but it keeps saying php up to date (i've got 5.2) !!! |
| 10:42.18 | Dewi | RACER-X: take it off channel then |
| 10:42.20 | RichiH | RACER-X: do that in query, please |
| 10:42.33 | RACER-X | private msgs are readable by staff |
| 10:42.39 | RichiH | no, they are not |
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| 10:42.49 | Dewi | RACER-X: and this channel isn't? |
| 10:42.52 | RACER-X | yeah because you would know that being a staff member and all |
| 10:42.55 | Iridos | channel messages are readable by staff |
| 10:43.01 | RACER-X | mine arent |
| 10:43.03 | RichiH | RACER-X: correct. |
| 10:43.09 | RACER-X | {blow} 4f335677585564414d6767575537586c686e55694965444c3368424e6969432f6a76726c654a325556326836724d4b636d41357035713373547831736358465752456c3056673d3d0a |
| 10:43.13 | RACER-X | try and read that |
| 10:43.14 | uoods | regardless, you're spamming the channel |
| 10:43.17 | RichiH | RACER-X: either way, stop it |
| 10:43.38 | RACER-X | encryption is not a crime |
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| 10:44.12 | Iridos | spamming sadly isn't either (depending on local jurisdiction) |
| 10:44.24 | Iridos | often* |
| 10:44.34 | RichiH | the funny thing is that he could just look at our ircd code and see that we really can not listen on MSG |
| 10:44.59 | uoods | or he could just send encrypted private msgs |
| 10:45.14 | Dewi | RichiH: or just use DCC, or encrypted query, or hell, #debian-crypted-chat |
| 10:45.44 | Iridos | huh... so who prevents all the childporn-deals made over msg then? ( |
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| 10:45.59 | crilly | Or use a VPN and an SSL connection. |
| 10:46.02 | crilly | and/or* |
| 10:46.28 | klrr | guys, please help with php5.3 install from dotdeb ? |
| 10:46.38 | crilly | klrr: What's the issue? |
| 10:46.38 | Dewi | klrr: why not use the debian version |
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| 10:47.15 | klrr | debian is 5.2 latest . i'm trying to install 5.3 from dot deb. added to sources list, did upgrade && update. still says mine is up to date |
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| 10:47.18 | Iridos | (just to supply the usual knok-out argument why any type of surveillance on the internet is good and allowed) |
| 10:47.23 | Iridos | knock* |
| 10:47.33 | Dewi | klrr: maybe 6 months ago. 5.3 is on stable |
| 10:47.47 | klrr | i have debian 5 lenny |
| 10:48.00 | Iridos | klrr, the help we can give you on that is "don't use dotdeb" - also /msg dpkg dotdeb on that matter |
| 10:48.19 | Dewi | klrr: then you probably want the official backport, not the dotdeb one |
| 10:48.22 | klrr | ok how to install from debien repository if i use |
| 10:48.37 | ansgar | klrr: So wanting 5.3 should motivate you to upgrade to Squeeze ;) |
| 10:49.06 | klrr | my vds dont have it |
| 10:49.24 | klrr | i thought i could install 5.3 from some package repository / |
| 10:49.31 | Iridos | !tell klrr -about lenny-backports |
| 10:49.53 | RichiH | Dewi: yah, or blowfish through MSG |
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| 10:51.29 | klrr | thanks thats what i needed |
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| 10:53.06 | Dewi | klrr: for some reason I can't see any php5 in lenny-backports. I think there might have been a problem with it. What was your issue? |
| 10:54.54 | klrr | oh well |
| 10:54.58 | Iridos | RichiH, obviously, he didn't want anyone to know _who_ he's talking to |
| 10:55.14 | klrr | Dewi: i tried squeeze-backports now, still says 5.2 is up to date |
| 10:55.28 | Dewi | Iridos: oh |
| 10:55.28 | klrr | is there a way to install 5.3 package on Debian lenny ? |
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| 10:57.24 | Dewi | klrr: there must be a reason it's not in backports, so I'm not sure if there's a technical challenge there. But if dotdeb isn't working you could try the !ssb method |
| 10:57.28 | Dewi | !ssb |
| 10:57.28 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 10:58.34 | Dewi | klrr: you will need to upgrade the system to squeeze sooner or later tho |
| 10:59.49 | Iridos | judd, versions php5 |
| 10:59.51 | judd | Package php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny10; squeeze: 5.3.3-7; wheezy: 5.3.3-7; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze1; sid: 5.3.6-7; sid: 5.3.6-8 |
| 11:00.29 | Iridos | hm... has judd stopped listing lenny backports or is lenny backports dead since squeeze was released? |
| 11:00.47 | Dewi | Iridos: it's not that, I'm pretty sure there just weren't any php backports for a while |
| 11:00.53 | Iridos | I thought backports are at least provided for one year after release, as long as it's oldstable... along with security updates |
| 11:00.57 | ansgar | Or there just is no php5 in lenny-backports. |
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| 11:01.22 | Iridos | judd, versions mysql-common |
| 11:01.24 | judd | Package mysql-common on i386 -- lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; wheezy: 5.1.49-3; sid: 5.1.55-1; sid: 5.1.56-1 |
| 11:01.44 | Iridos | right... there seems to be no php5 backport in lenn |
| 11:01.45 | Iridos | y |
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| 11:02.49 | chrismat | How to I package .txt files as a debian package? |
| 11:03.02 | Dewi | chrismat: why would you want to? |
| 11:03.28 | chrismat | I want to deploy them as a package on multiple systems |
| 11:03.33 | chrismat | Its .tex files |
| 11:03.40 | chrismat | from /usr/local/share/texmf |
| 11:04.02 | Dewi | chrismat: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 11:04.36 | chrismat | thanks! :) |
| 11:05.24 | Dewi | chrismat: np, sorry for first patronising answer :P |
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| 11:08.43 | Sefid_Par | Hello everybody. I had a question. does it needed to download all the debian DVD for installing? |
| 11:09.14 | disaster123 | is there a way to PRELOAD .so files without setting LD_PRELOAD? Something more global like modifing ld.so.conf or so? |
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| 11:10.33 | rohan233 | does 'sleep 2h' followed by some command mean the command will be executed in 2 hours |
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| 11:12.16 | ragnar76 | hi all |
| 11:12.32 | DustyDingo | rohan233: you can do 'sleep 2h && <your_cmd>' |
| 11:12.46 | rohan233 | ok |
| 11:13.10 | DustyDingo | this way you can also kill sleep by ctr+c |
| 11:13.20 | DustyDingo | and your command won't be executed |
| 11:13.29 | DustyDingo | so you can abort it |
| 11:13.51 | rohan233 | im running with screen so command will be canceled aswell |
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| 11:14.37 | ragnar76 | hope, someone can give me a helping hand. i'm using a dual monitor setup ( intel onboard ) and i got it so far working but monitor1 is running in 1680x1050 but it can 1920x1080 and looks blurred. |
| 11:14.38 | babilen | Sefid_Par: No, the complete set of CDs/DVDs contain *all* packages in Debian. If you have a working (wired) network connection you can use the netinstall images. There are also images that contain the firmware stripped from the kernel. If you do not have a connection get CD1/DVD1, where the former comes in various flavours for different desktop environments. -- /msg dpkg FACTOID -- for FACTOID in {netinstall, cd1, various cd1, firmware images, ig} |
| 11:15.43 | ragnar76 | when i set the the right res in gnome-display-properties it changes to black and stays |
| 11:15.48 | ragnar76 | any suggestion? |
| 11:15.55 | Sefid_Par | babilen: Thanks a lot. |
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| 11:16.34 | RichiH | Iridos: ah, maybe |
| 11:16.41 | RichiH | Iridos: stupid. |
| 11:16.53 | RichiH | we do offer TOR access |
| 11:16.56 | RichiH | oh well, nm |
| 11:17.04 | rohan233 | regnar: I'm pretty sure you don't have a choice about it when running in clone mode. |
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| 11:17.23 | ragnar76 | rohan233: it's not in clone mode |
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| 11:18.52 | rohan233 | ragnar: Did you mofify your Xorg conf with the correct resolutions? |
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| 11:19.26 | Sefid_Par | babilen: Excuse me, How can I know the type of my computer processor |
| 11:19.38 | ragnar76 | rohan233: yes and i used cvt to get a modeline |
| 11:19.45 | ectospasm | Sefid_Par: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 11:19.57 | babilen | Sefid_Par: Which processor do you have? |
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| 11:20.14 | Sefid_Par | How can I find it? |
| 11:20.18 | ectospasm | Sefid_Par: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 11:20.24 | hogren | hello |
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| 11:20.44 | rohan233 | ragnar76: perhaps starting with separate X sessions would be an easy work around |
| 11:20.48 | Iridos | RichiH, also I share Dewis original thought of steering multiple spambots... you wouldn't want to identify the spambots to anyone, so they join a busy channel and you just write marked messages? |
| 11:21.00 | Sefid_Par | ectorspasm: I have windows os. foes this command work in windows? |
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| 11:21.17 | ectospasm | Sefid_Par: no, this is a Debian channel, so I assumed Debian |
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| 11:21.34 | ragnar76 | rohan233: i don't care ehat would work, as long as i get an extended desktop :o) |
| 11:21.40 | ectospasm | Sefid_Par: what version of Windows? It's usually under system properties in the control panel. |
| 11:21.56 | babilen | Sefid_Par: Then you have either a i386 or amd64 processor (32bit / 64bit) -- You could just download the multi-arch installer and try amd64 ... |
| 11:21.58 | Sefid_Par | ectospasm: Windows xp. |
| 11:21.58 | hogren | please, I use apt-get, I just want to download a .deb. I tried "apt-get --download-only --reinstall paquet ... the out sounds ok but I don't find the paquet.deb |
| 11:21.59 | RichiH | Iridos: steghanography would work better than blatantly obvious encryption |
| 11:22.00 | Dewi | Iridos: actually I didn't think of that at all. Makes sense, but there are much noisier covert channels than #debian |
| 11:22.10 | RichiH | but then, using IRC for C&C is beyond stupid these days, anyway |
| 11:22.51 | Sefid_Par | babilen. I have intel core 2 duo processor. |
| 11:22.55 | Iridos | well... I didn't say this was the smartest choice... he did get some messages through, for whatever, but not for very long |
| 11:23.02 | ragnar76 | hogren: have a look in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 11:23.05 | ectospasm | Sefid_Par: how much RAM do have? |
| 11:23.08 | babilen | Sefid_Par: You can use i386 or amd64 in that case |
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| 11:23.17 | Dewi | Iridos: reckon it was a 1-way C&C with no backchannel then? |
| 11:23.20 | Sefid_Par | ectospasm: 3G |
| 11:23.33 | Iridos | maybe it was just a test if this way was feasible and there was no recipient |
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| 11:24.06 | ectospasm | Sefid_Par: seems an odd number, but I'd go with amd64, to be sure you can address all the RAM you have |
| 11:24.09 | Sefid_Par | bablin: Is this processor 64 bit? |
| 11:24.15 | Iridos | I guess that's what I would do before building my whole botnet system on something that would render them without steering :) |
| 11:24.16 | hogren | ok thanks ragnar76 I'm going to look |
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| 11:24.28 | Iridos | if I had a botnet, that is :-P |
| 11:24.37 | ectospasm | (for instance, my Win7 bare metal install is only 32bit, and only 2.8GB of RAM is addressable even though I have 4GB physical |
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| 11:24.52 | hogren | yes ! thank you very much ragnar76 ! |
| 11:25.02 | ragnar76 | hogren: np |
| 11:25.06 | ectospasm | Sefid_Par: yes, an Intel Core 2 Duo is EM64T (AMD64 compatible |
| 11:26.05 | Sefid_Par | ectospasm: I thought Intel and AMD are different companies. are they? |
| 11:26.16 | babilen | !tell Sefid_Par -about why amd64 |
| 11:27.39 | Sefid_Par | ectospasm: Thank you very much |
| 11:27.45 | Sefid_Par | bablin: Thanks |
| 11:28.33 | babilen | you are welcome |
| 11:28.41 | ectospasm | Sefid_Par: yes, they're different companies, but they're compatible instruction sets. |
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| 11:29.15 | ectospasm | Basically Intel dropped the ball when they didn't make the IA64 architecture backwards compatible with x86 |
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| 11:29.32 | ectospasm | AMD ate their lunch because of it. |
| 11:30.02 | Iridos | babilen, pft, I thought that was a factoid listing, what reasons there are to choose amd64 over i386 |
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| 11:31.18 | Sefid_Par | ectospasm: Thnak you. |
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| 11:32.15 | ectospasm | Iridos: with PAE, a 32bit machine can't address more than about 4GB RAM |
| 11:32.22 | ectospasm | er, withOUT PAE! |
| 11:32.59 | abrotman | yes it can |
| 11:33.02 | abrotman | !bigmem |
| 11:33.02 | dpkg | For i386, -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). Alternatively, if you have a <x86-64> processor, use an amd64 kernel which doesn't need bigmem. |
| 11:33.10 | abrotman | erm .. ignore me :) |
| 11:33.24 | abrotman | misread .. goes back to bed |
| 11:33.29 | ectospasm | heheheh |
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| 11:34.14 | ectospasm | I supposed bigmem is Debian-speak for PAE |
| 11:34.23 | ectospasm | (Physical Address Extension) |
| 11:34.27 | Iridos | ectospasm, I know... I'm using bigmem myself... just wondered if the factoid would list additional reasons or give an estimate on the impact on CPU-use... |
| 11:34.45 | ectospasm | good question. Iunno |
| 11:35.02 | abrotman | Iridos: PAE is a *minimal* performance impact on the CPU |
| 11:35.15 | ectospasm | for very small values of *minimal* (-; |
| 11:35.21 | abrotman | TINY! |
| 11:35.35 | abrotman | Iridos: amd64 can 'consume' more RAM though .. |
| 11:35.49 | Iridos | abrotman, microscopic? |
| 11:35.59 | abrotman | atomic! |
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| 11:36.07 | ectospasm | so it's a tradeoff |
| 11:36.08 | Iridos | quark |
| 11:36.11 | ectospasm | either RAM or CPU |
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| 11:37.36 | Iridos | well... I stocked up to 12G... so wondering if there's any incentive of using amd64 now |
| 11:38.20 | Iridos | dunno if it's a real choice for me, though... depends on how much I want to use non-free 32-bit software in the future (and the effort I want to put into getting them to run) |
| 11:38.25 | cga | hi all, I'm about to buy a blade of a citrix xenserver and before that I want to understand if squeeze is easuily installable/compatible with that. else i stay where I'm with Lenny. I've been searching on wikis and googled a lot but failing in finding an answer. please thanks. |
| 11:39.21 | cga | All I find is using Debian as Hypervisor/host/DomU , but no answers on virtualazing it in Citrix XenServer as guest. |
| 11:39.29 | babilen | Iridos: A number of things come to mind: Single processes can address the complete memory -- See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64#Architectural_features for a complete set. |
| 11:42.55 | WormFood | is there an http downloader package for debian, that will download a file in multiple pieces? There is a bandwidth restriction on each connection, and if I double them up, it will download much much faster. (downloading 10 files in parallel is much faster than downloading them in sequence) |
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| 11:44.23 | ragnar76 | is getting frustrated, one monitor type, two different manuals from manufaccturer |
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| 11:52.45 | ragnar76 | WormFood: have a look Aria or Jdownloader. or any other downloadmanger |
| 11:53.20 | catsup | usually those download multiple files simultaneously... |
| 11:53.29 | catsup | not multiple connections per file |
| 11:53.30 | Iridos | aget? it's gorn! |
| 11:53.50 | Iridos | !why is aget not in testing |
| 11:53.50 | dpkg | aget is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=aget |
| 11:54.37 | Iridos | oh no... removed 2006 |
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| 11:57.12 | Iridos | WormFood, look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=359854 for alternatives |
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| 12:05.11 | ragnar76 | bbl |
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| 12:07.25 | ragnar76 | F...ine, no luck. even when i set the h. & v. freqs. :( |
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| 12:09.33 | ah_kevin | xmms2 ERROR: Couldn't start playback: Could not start playback |
| 12:09.44 | ah_kevin | why ? thanks |
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| 12:16.57 | Kimmag | "Menuconfig fail 127" |
| 12:17.04 | Kimmag | when trying to install psybnc |
| 12:17.07 | Kimmag | psycbnc |
| 12:17.23 | Kimmag | What can this be? (It's when I try to "make") |
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| 12:17.59 | Bushmills | ,versions psycbnc |
| 12:18.00 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'psycbnc' was found in i386. |
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| 12:18.35 | Kimmag | ops |
| 12:18.40 | Kimmag | ,versions psybnc |
| 12:18.41 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'psybnc' was found in i386. |
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| 12:19.17 | Kimmag | Well, it's something for IRC, so I guess that's why it won't be found in the normal i386 |
| 12:19.43 | Bushmills | what repository does that come from? |
| 12:20.00 | Kimmag | I don't remember.. |
| 12:20.26 | Bushmills | doesn't seem to come with debian |
| 12:20.37 | ragnar76 | i think he means psyBNC |
| 12:20.43 | pikaro | hi! I recently switched from e17 to gnome, then kde, as I thought these would be more complete. unfortunately, they seem pretty messed up (lots of display errors), so I want to completely remove them and start from scratch. short of a reboot, what should i do? is the shotgun approach 'apt-get autoremove gnome* kde* compiz*' enough? |
| 12:20.45 | Kimmag | yeah |
| 12:20.50 | Kimmag | ,versions psyBNC |
| 12:20.51 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'psyBNC' was found in i386. |
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| 12:21.04 | Kimmag | When I try to "make" (to compile), it comes "Fail 127" |
| 12:21.08 | pikaro | s/reboot/system reinstall/ |
| 12:21.36 | Bushmills | ,versions pisg |
| 12:21.37 | judd | Package pisg on i386 -- lenny: 0.72-1; sid: 0.72-1; squeeze: 0.72-1; wheezy: 0.72-1 |
| 12:21.41 | Bushmills | this one? |
| 12:21.56 | Kimmag | Uhm.. |
| 12:22.05 | Kimmag | i installed debian by squeeze |
| 12:22.17 | ragnar76 | regarding to to the website, it's an irc bouncer |
| 12:22.23 | Kimmag | Yeah |
| 12:22.39 | ragnar76 | but it's not in the repo's |
| 12:22.58 | Kimmag | I don't know? What is a repo then? :p |
| 12:23.46 | ragnar76 | dpkg: rpository |
| 12:23.47 | dpkg | wish i knew, ragnar76 |
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| 12:23.55 | ragnar76 | dpkg: repository |
| 12:23.56 | dpkg | A Debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with <apt>. A HOWTO (outdated since <secure apt>) is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto . Ask me about <list repositories>. |
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| 12:24.35 | Kimmag | Okay, but how do I then compile it ? |
| 12:24.57 | catsup | Kimmag: it's easy. follow the instructions. |
| 12:25.26 | ragnar76 | there should be a readme or install file. read them first |
| 12:25.53 | Kimmag | That's what I do, but when I then try to compile it (make) I get "Fail 127" |
| 12:25.58 | Kimmag | It wont compile for a reason |
| 12:26.28 | ragnar76 | the reason could explained in the readme |
| 12:26.39 | catsup | it may be a missing dependency |
| 12:26.54 | catsup | although that's a pretty lame error for a missing dependency |
| 12:27.04 | catsup | it's a pretty lame error for anything tho :\ |
| 12:27.47 | catsup | is that the first error message? |
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| 12:31.00 | ragnar76 | the menuconfig depends on ncurses. maybe you are missing it |
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| 12:32.37 | ragnar76 | Kimmag: try to install ncurses ( sudo apt-get install libncurses5 libncurses5-dev ) and try again |
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| 12:34.55 | Iridos | babilen, write a factoid? It's an often recurring question... a short summary and/or link to a webpage comparing (dis-)advantages would be nice |
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| 12:37.47 | Iridos | !tell Kimmag -about psyBNC |
| 12:38.02 | Iridos | !tell Kimmag -about sbnc |
| 12:38.13 | Iridos | see if you can use that instead, it's packaged for debian |
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| 12:40.29 | cybb20 | hi all, how can I stop the window manager completely under Knoppix 6.4? (Ctrl + Alt + Backspace automatically logs me into LXDE again) |
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| 12:41.36 | ansgar | !knoppix |
| 12:41.36 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems. |
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| 12:45.42 | Iridos | probably something like /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop ... but hard to say what knoppix uses to start the GUI, so ask them |
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| 13:02.38 | abrotman | erikyyy: i'd wager most use ssh for cli, vnc for gui |
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| 13:03.31 | dvs | vnc works on Windows? |
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| 13:04.25 | abrotman | dvs: in both directions, yes |
| 13:04.45 | dvs | hmmm... no wonder why vnc is so popular. |
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| 13:07.18 | abrotman | dvs: tightvnc and ultravnc both have windows ports .. and both have the ability to install themselves as a service to run at boot time |
| 13:07.31 | Bushmills | erikyyy: putty |
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| 13:08.46 | erikyyy | should i try vnc4server ot tightvnc |
| 13:08.48 | erikyyy | or |
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| 13:13.12 | rickbol | tigervnc (from tightvnc) or winswitch.org (wrapper on a pile of remoting technologies) |
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| 13:25.06 | Muisje | How can i grep all files with the extension myfile-ext containing the word (or words which partially exist of it) with grep? i tried: grep -r --include="*.[myfile-ext]" BONUS /home/myfolder but does not work |
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| 13:27.21 | tnks | do apt-get and aptitude use the same meta information? |
| 13:27.39 | tnks | a while ago, they didn't, so it was a concern to switch between the two. |
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| 13:34.52 | dawud | Muisje: find dir/ -name "*.ext" | xargs egrep -Ri "regexp" (untested) |
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| 13:37.35 | twobitsprite | rickbol: I'd recommend tightvnc... |
| 13:39.32 | rickbol | twobitsprite: didn't tightvnc go commercial? tigervnc forked and advanced tightvnc somewhat... is my recollection |
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| 13:40.11 | twobitsprite | rickbol: well, it's still in debian, so I assume it's still open source |
| 13:40.21 | twobitsprite | ,versions tightvnc |
| 13:40.23 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'tightvnc' was found in i386. |
| 13:40.34 | twobitsprite | ,versions tightvncserver |
| 13:40.35 | judd | Package tightvncserver on i386 -- lenny: 1.3.9-4; squeeze: 1.3.9-6.1+b1; sid: 1.3.9-6.2; wheezy: 1.3.9-6.2 |
| 13:40.56 | twobitsprite | and there's a newer version in testing |
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| 13:41.29 | twobitsprite | rickbol: "free for both personal and commercial usage, with full source code available," from their website |
| 13:41.37 | asdf | is there a script that can recreate all the /dev files? i'm clearly missing some |
| 13:41.56 | asdf | !seen MrFrood |
| 13:41.56 | dpkg | mrfrood <happy@faeroes.freeshell.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 10h 12m 30s ago, saying: '!touchpad'. |
| 13:42.02 | twobitsprite | rickbol: maybe you're thinking of realvnc, which is semi-commercial last I saw |
| 13:42.16 | thinksteve | asdf: Doesn't udev manage that? |
| 13:43.29 | asdf | thinksteve: yeah, but somewhoe i'm missing a bunch of files |
| 13:43.41 | asdf | thinksteve: that was my problem last night when less wasn't wokring for me |
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| 13:43.52 | asdf | turns out /dev/tty was not a character device, just a file |
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| 13:44.49 | torl | why does squeeze take so long to install?It's already 2 hours since I started installing |
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| 13:45.43 | abrotman | is it downloading packages? |
| 13:45.52 | rickbol | twobitsprite: you're correct. tigervnc felt tightvnc project was stale and forked. |
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| 13:46.40 | twobitsprite | rickbol: well, I haven't used tigervnc so I can't recommend it... I usually stick with tightvnc |
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| 13:47.19 | torl | It's still at the "Select and install software" part,the prgress bar is only at half |
| 13:47.29 | Bushmills | asdf: wasn't that /dev/null? |
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| 13:48.56 | claint | General Question. Wondering your thoughts on different virtualization technologies on squeeze. I am used to the old vserver but thinking about testing Xen. Which one do you prefer from the virtualization options? Chip has VT support. |
| 13:49.16 | rickbol | twobitsprite: looks like tigervnc is a redhat project, so no deb. tightvnc wins! |
| 13:49.19 | Bushmills | claint: ex-vserver user here, migrated to kvm |
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| 13:50.07 | homie | apt-get -y install cia-scripts |
| 13:50.10 | homie | lol |
| 13:50.20 | ggarlic | yesterday when i tried to installing gnome-core,and the aptitude says python2.5-gobject,python2.5-gtk2,python2.5-pyorbit are virtual packages,and some packages cannot be installed because of this.what can i do |
| 13:50.55 | claint | Bushmills: What are your thoughts? Did you try Xen as well? |
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| 13:51.28 | Bushmills | claint: i did, but got kvm operational more quickly. |
| 13:51.50 | Bushmills | "operatinal" including the guest startup scripts, netwerk bridge etc |
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| 13:54.34 | kurohyou | hi, anybody here running debian on a ion330 system |
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| 13:58.02 | twobitsprite | ggarlic: try installing gnome-desktop-environment instead |
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| 13:59.51 | rickbol | Bushmills: can you recommend a good intro/tutorial for kvm? |
| 14:00.00 | ggarlic | twobitsprite: just try it,same problem |
| 14:00.17 | twobitsprite | ggarlic: what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:00.46 | rickbol | Bushmills: can you recommend a good intro/tutorial for kvm? ...on Debian |
| 14:00.48 | Bushmills | rickbol: just man page and http://www.linux-kvm.org was enough. i can't remember having needed additional docs |
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| 14:02.06 | ggarlic | twobitsprite: i install squeeze and replace the "squeeze" in sourcelist with "unstable" |
| 14:02.17 | twobitsprite | ggarlic: that's your problem, don't do that |
| 14:02.19 | twobitsprite | !unstable |
| 14:02.20 | dpkg | [unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
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| 14:03.36 | twobitsprite | ggarlic: if you really need packages from unstable, run testing and pull individual packages from unstable... don't upgrade your whole system to unstable |
| 14:04.00 | ggarlic | twobitsprite: too bad,my fault.......can i go back to stable branch,or must i reinstall the system? |
| 14:04.10 | ggarlic | twobitsprite: got it |
| 14:04.10 | sickgut | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:04.43 | sickgut | 310m gzipped, 2gb ungzipped |
| 14:04.46 | twobitsprite | ggarlic: depends... did you do "aptitude upgrade" or anything when you had unstable in your sources.list? |
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| 14:05.02 | twobitsprite | or have you already installed anythig from unstable? |
| 14:05.32 | ggarlic | twobitsprite: well,i did dist-upgrade.... |
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| 14:05.48 | twobitsprite | then I would recommend reinstalling either stable or testing |
| 14:06.33 | twobitsprite | !tell ggarlic -about mixed system |
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| 14:06.42 | r0ny_ | hey i am having php53.dotdeb deb is enabled in sources,but i cant get php5-fpm ,any thoughts? |
| 14:06.44 | twobitsprite | then use that to pull individual packages from unstable when you need them |
| 14:07.32 | ggarlic | twobitsprite: thanks a lot,i'll reinstall the stable :D |
| 14:08.04 | r0ny_ | mine is debian 5.0 |
| 14:08.19 | Bushmills | just finding for PIDFILE in `ls /var/run/openvpn.*.pid ...` in an init script. i think that's bad style - would that qualify for a bug report? |
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| 14:11.34 | sickgut | www.linuxusbcreator.com <------- i spent like 3 days trying to make a live persistent usb stick install of base debian and i failed. this prog did what i couldnt do in like 5 mins. runs in windows tho. it will use a debian-live-iso and put it on usb stick for you with live persistent all working |
| 14:11.44 | sickgut | and you tell it how big you want the live-rw file |
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| 14:12.46 | sickgut | i would have prefered ext 2 or ext 3 but i spose i cant have everythin g |
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| 14:14.09 | eshat | Hi all. When I stick in a USB stick into my Gnome 3 box, it is beeing opened with filelight instead of nautilus, how to correct this? |
| 14:14.32 | eshat | I already asked in #gnome, but got no answer there |
| 14:15.25 | sickgut | sry sunno about gnome |
| 14:15.28 | sickgut | dunno |
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| 14:15.34 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 14:16.32 | eptalon | how do I get sid/cups to do page logging (with a HP Laserjet printer, capable of doing postscript? |
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| 14:16.59 | kristian-work | hello |
| 14:17.09 | Bushmills | ,versions gnome |
| 14:17.10 | judd | Package gnome on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:2.30+7; sid: 1:2.30+8 |
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| 14:17.35 | Bushmills | no gnome 3.0 |
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| 14:18.02 | eptalon | Bushmills: won't be stable enough yet? |
| 14:18.45 | kristian-work | thinking of putting screen + mpd on a P2 266 with 96 megs or so of ram.... anyone tried (something similar to) this? |
| 14:18.46 | Bushmills | what linux are you running, there there is gnome 3 installed? |
| 14:19.28 | eptalon | kristian-work: screen wont take up many resources; no idea about mpd |
| 14:19.42 | kristian-work | hi eptalon |
| 14:20.01 | kristian-work | will apps be lighter if I build them specifically? |
| 14:20.28 | kristian-work | I have a machine with mint on... I have built some stuff on that and it usually works fine |
| 14:20.40 | eptalon | kristian-work: as in opposed to using the "debian-built" version? |
| 14:20.45 | kristian-work | yes |
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| 14:21.30 | kristian-work | also, are the different versions equally light? Lenny, Squeeze etc... |
| 14:21.34 | eptalon | kristian-work: Other people's opinion may vary: my opinion is the time/work needed to hand-build optimised apps isn't worth the effort. |
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| 14:22.01 | joltcan | I second that |
| 14:22.04 | gregu- | do you know how can i configure eth0:1 alias so it will be UP after reboot ? i have auto eth0:1 , but still after reboot i got only eth0 , on debian 6. 64bit |
| 14:22.22 | twobitsprite | kristian-work: you usually get minimal if any performance increase from hand built apps... ever heard of the concept of premature optimization? |
| 14:22.25 | eptalon | kristian-work: the different "versions" as you call them were released at different times, so their requirements vary. Also they differ as to "stability". |
| 14:22.37 | joltcan | gregu-: man interfaces |
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| 14:23.28 | joltcan | gregu-: sorry, zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 14:24.03 | Shoryu | Ubuntu 10.10 x86: Hi... how do I enable core dumps for just root without logging into root and doing a ulimit -c unlimited? I already set the rules in /etc/security/limits.conf, but they don't seem to have any affect. |
| 14:24.15 | Shoryu | Reason I wish to do this is so that a sudo <command> will dump the core on crash... |
| 14:24.19 | joltcan | Shoryu: Try #ubuntu |
| 14:24.37 | eptalon | kristian-work: debian has a part of dedicated servers building apps. I don't spend like half a day to custom build an app, to perhaps get 2-3% better performance. |
| 14:24.40 | Shoryu | er... ubuntu is debian based, isnt' it? |
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| 14:25.00 | joltcan | Shoryu: Just as Volvo is GM based. Doesn't mean it's the same anymore |
| 14:25.15 | eptalon | Shoryu: the people in #ubuntu can probably help you better. |
| 14:25.20 | twobitsprite | !tell Shoryu about ubuntu |
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| 14:25.40 | twobitsprite | !tell Shoryu about based on debian |
| 14:25.53 | dvs | though Volvo was owned by Ford.... but anyways.... |
| 14:26.10 | Shoryu | gets it... |
| 14:26.18 | Shoryu | I came here because I found better help here before. |
| 14:26.19 | twobitsprite | Shoryu: :) |
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| 14:27.05 | eptalon | Shoryu: Yes, there may be community issues; I heard certain people in the ubuntu community aren't happy the way it's going. |
| 14:27.28 | kristian-work | eptalon: yea, 2-3% is not enough for me to do stuff like this... I was thinking something like 25%, then I'd do it |
| 14:27.34 | kristian-work | *yeah |
| 14:27.57 | Shoryu | So... howabout I ask the "in general with linux" question because my test box is only ubuntu. The production box is not. |
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| 14:28.10 | eptalon | kristian-work: I realistically doubt you get more than like 5%, compared to the auto-built app. |
| 14:28.13 | gregu- | joltcan : i read man, still no clue how to make eth0:1 to be brought up automatically after reboot, do you know ? |
| 14:28.15 | Shoryu | *only my test box is ubuntu |
| 14:28.18 | twobitsprite | kristian-work: now, if you were running a compute farm for high quality 3D rendering or something, shaving 2-3% off of each server might make a difference |
| 14:28.19 | abrotman | Shoryu: please don't pretend, go to ##linux for general help, #ubuntu for Ubuntu help |
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| 14:29.10 | twobitsprite | Shoryu: the problem is that different distributions can have differences even in the "general" stuff |
| 14:29.15 | minver | How do I kill all ruby processes? |
| 14:29.19 | eptalon | is the xfce4 in sid (4.6) now using sudo, or did it switch to hal? |
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| 14:29.49 | abrotman | minver: killall might be a good start |
| 14:29.53 | eptalon | minver: killall ruby? |
| 14:29.57 | twobitsprite | minver: try "killall ruby" |
| 14:30.00 | kristian-work | Shoryu: ubuntu-beginners is very good |
| 14:30.02 | twobitsprite | damn, I lose |
| 14:30.15 | abrotman | Shoryu: have a nice day! |
| 14:30.30 | minver | twobitsprite, eptalon, abrotman: thanks |
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| 14:31.02 | kristian-work | I for one did not mean to be harsh... #ubuntu-beginners is very friendly and open for all kinds of discussions |
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| 14:31.11 | abrotman | okay .. he gets the hint .. |
| 14:31.34 | Shoryu | Like someone said earlier, some are not happy with the #ubuntu community.... |
| 14:32.33 | kolor | Hi guys, fresh install of debian6 :: update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header |
| 14:32.33 | kolor | dpkg: error processing apache2.2-common (--configure): |
| 14:32.34 | dpkg | kolor: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 14:32.42 | abrotman | Shoryu: please don't drag this conversation out .. either go to #ubuntu to talk about it, or #debian-offtopic .. it is offtopic in this channel |
| 14:32.52 | Shoryu | ##linux looks like a dev channel. Limits work in many different ways depending on distro. |
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| 14:32.57 | abrotman | (and #debian-offtopic is not a support channel) |
| 14:33.20 | abrotman | kolor: there's probably more above that, use paste.debian.net to show us everything |
| 14:33.23 | Shoryu | I didn't know it was common curtousy to leave when I'm not gonna be helped... |
| 14:33.25 | twobitsprite | Shoryu: install debian, or deal with the ubuntu community... sorry, but we simply don't support ubuntu in here |
| 14:33.34 | kolor | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 14:33.35 | Shoryu | that's fine... |
| 14:33.58 | abrotman | Shoryu: we're not telling you to leave, just please stop the ubuntu discussion, thank you |
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| 14:34.30 | Shoryu | thx |
| 14:34.38 | kristian-work | eptalon: what release would you recommend for a 13-year old laptop? |
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| 14:35.12 | twobitsprite | kristian-work: debian should run fine... just stay away from the fancy graphics |
| 14:35.21 | dvs | kristian-work: What CPU does it have? |
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| 14:35.26 | kristian-work | twobitsprite: absoulutely! |
| 14:35.33 | xreal | Can I use apt-spy to search mirrors in my country? |
| 14:35.37 | abrotman | kolor: oddly, you have to paste stuff there, and then give me the URL |
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| 14:35.43 | twobitsprite | dvs: ohh yeah, debian dropped support for older i386 stuff, didn't it? |
| 14:35.50 | abrotman | xreal: at least your region if not your country |
| 14:35.51 | dvs | twobitsprite: yup |
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| 14:36.22 | kristian-work | dvs: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:380Z - P2, 233 mhz |
| 14:36.25 | xreal | abrotman: It finds countrys here only, like DE for Germany. |
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| 14:36.30 | eptalon | kristian-work: limiting factors are cpu, and memory. |
| 14:36.47 | kristian-work | I was thinking that perhaps stable was more suited? |
| 14:36.52 | dvs | Pentium 2 is OK |
| 14:36.52 | kristian-work | eptalon: no X for sure |
| 14:37.05 | eptalon | kristian-work: don't say that. |
| 14:37.16 | kolor | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/114605/ |
| 14:37.18 | kolor | sorry |
| 14:37.41 | abrotman | kolor: your vzqouta init script is missing LSB tags, so when it tries to setup apache, it dies |
| 14:37.47 | abrotman | !tell kolor about lsb tags |
| 14:37.47 | eptalon | kristian-work: I think the current one runs with about 300MB RAM |
| 14:37.52 | xreal | abrotman: I want to find the fastest server in Germany. |
| 14:38.53 | abrotman | xreal: man apt-spy .. says you can define your own subset to test |
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| 14:39.04 | xreal | abrotman: okay. |
| 14:39.08 | abrotman | xreal: also, see -s .. says you can specify country |
| 14:39.28 | xreal | abrotman: Yep, but when I enter "-s DE" it stops after finding Germany. |
| 14:39.35 | xreal | Let me play around. |
| 14:39.43 | abrotman | after finding germany? |
| 14:39.52 | kolor | abrotman, i have no idea what to do? how do i install apache2 ? |
| 14:40.08 | abrotman | kolor: you ahve to fix your /etc/init.d/vzquota |
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| 14:40.58 | abrotman | xreal: you asked to look only in germany .. it sohuld stop after .de |
| 14:41.19 | xreal | abrotman: *inside* of Germany. We've got about 20 servers here at different universities. |
| 14:41.41 | eptalon | kristian-work: How much memory do you have? |
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| 14:42.05 | kristian-work | I actually have an installation with openbox + matchbox with 128 megs... it's okay |
| 14:42.05 | kolor | abrotman, any help on fix? i find it weird "to install apache2 from repository on clean debian with such problems" |
| 14:42.48 | abrotman | kolor: i already told you how to fix it |
| 14:42.56 | kristian-work | eptalon: 96 megs, I think |
| 14:43.00 | abrotman | xreal: hold on.. what are you really trying to do? |
| 14:43.16 | xreal | abrotman: I am trying to find the fastest mirror. |
| 14:43.34 | abrotman | xreal: yes, but why? |
| 14:43.40 | kristian-work | I have installed stable I think.. it seems okay, but I have to make a new install due to getting another hdd |
| 14:44.06 | abrotman | xreal: AIUI, apt-spy lets you pick the country, and will only test mirrors with that country code, in your case .de |
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| 14:44.22 | eptalon | kristian-work: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
| 14:44.48 | xreal | abrotman: Because my university is connected to a research network with different mirrors in it. The official server isn't part of this network. So this one should (normally) be slower than any member on the research network. |
| 14:45.02 | eptalon | kristian-work: with a graphical env, you'll need about 128M (but you can use swap for that) |
| 14:45.11 | abrotman | xreal: so using `apt-spy -s DE' .. doesn't work ? |
| 14:45.35 | xreal | abrotman: It only finds ftp.de.debian.org |
| 14:45.36 | RichiH | how sane is it to create a software raid1 as root partition? |
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| 14:45.47 | abrotman | xreal: let me try it here quickly .. moment |
| 14:45.51 | RichiH | never did this before |
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| 14:46.04 | poisonbit | RichiH, perfectly sane |
| 14:46.11 | eptalon | kristian-work: without graphical env, the min required is 64m. Recommended is 256/512m |
| 14:46.16 | RichiH | also, other than btrfs, there is no FS that will do checksumming, correct? |
| 14:46.22 | RichiH | on reading, that is |
| 14:46.26 | kolor | abrotman, any example on proper vzquota ? |
| 14:46.34 | RichiH | poisonbit: what do i google for? |
| 14:46.38 | abrotman | kolor: the bot gave you a URL with some instructions |
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| 14:47.08 | poisonbit | RichiH, the d-i has support for it, just make pys. partitions and pic them as raid, then a menu will appear |
| 14:47.13 | eptalon | RichiH: XFS might, ZFS might? |
| 14:47.18 | poisonbit | d-i = debian installer |
| 14:47.18 | RichiH | poisonbit: nice |
| 14:47.32 | RichiH | eptalon: you can't install debian on zfs |
| 14:47.35 | RichiH | and xfs does not |
| 14:47.40 | twobitsprite | xreal: so, you're university network has debian servers which aren't official debian mirrors, but you think apt-spy should find them? |
| 14:47.47 | DannyButterman | Hi there. Why a vtun link would disfunction after a short time upon service restart ? |
| 14:47.48 | RichiH | will use xfs again unless text4 can do checksumming |
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| 14:47.55 | RichiH | poisonbit: aye |
| 14:47.57 | eptalon | RichiH: Ah, for boot partition? |
| 14:48.06 | RichiH | eptalon: boot & root |
| 14:48.07 | xreal | twobitsprite: Somewhere in the research network (not at our university, but at another one), there are official debian mirrors,. |
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| 14:48.26 | xreal | twobitsprite: for example debian.uni-duisburg-essen.de, ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de etc. |
| 14:48.59 | xreal | apt-spy only searches the primary mirrors, not the secondary mirrors. |
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| 14:49.14 | abrotman | xreal: for stable ? |
| 14:49.22 | xreal | abrotman: yep. Squeeze |
| 14:49.30 | abrotman | xreal: moment |
| 14:49.38 | eptalon | RichiH: I have boot on ext4, and all the others (/,/usr,/var,/home) as xfs |
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| 14:50.46 | eptalon | RichiH: and if IIRC its not a debian problem, but a grub problem. |
| 14:50.51 | poisonbit | RichiH, soft raid is not a problem for grub. LVM was a problem for grub 1 (works for grub2) |
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| 14:51.27 | eptalon | RichiH: except for /boot, all my partitions are lvm+softraid |
| 14:51.46 | DannyButterman | Vtun quickly goes from some tens of milliseconds to thousands and then stop responding |
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| 14:51.59 | abrotman | xreal: hrm .. weird |
| 14:52.19 | xreal | usr/bin/netselect-apt: line 36: /usr/bin/dpkg-architecture: No such file or directory |
| 14:52.21 | xreal | what the ... |
| 14:52.53 | eptalon | poisonbit: /boot on lvm+softraid in current sid is not a problem? |
| 14:53.07 | poisonbit | it works on squeeze, I don't know about sid |
| 14:53.10 | poisonbit | :) |
| 14:53.37 | abrotman | xreal: file a bug .. that binary is gone now .. it should be dpkg --print-architecture |
| 14:53.46 | poisonbit | maybe it gets network-manager + windows NT loader as a default, who knows |
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| 14:54.06 | eptalon | poisonbit: do you have a link to a setup guide? |
| 14:54.06 | abrotman | xreal: you could just feed apt-spy a list of mirrors |
| 14:54.09 | xreal | abrotman: Okay, I need to create it for myself then? |
| 14:54.10 | eptalon | needs to migrate his boot partition |
| 14:54.22 | poisonbit | eptalon, debian-installer is very intuitive, I would use the oficial guide if in doubt |
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| 14:54.46 | eptalon | poisonbit: I am talking about "upgrading", not reinstalling |
| 14:54.52 | erikyyy | which is the recommended inetd package? |
| 14:54.53 | poisonbit | eptalon, equal partitions, mark as raid, choose the raid menu, configure, mark raid partitions as lvm, choose the lvm menu, configure, make filesystems... |
| 14:54.56 | poisonbit | ah |
| 14:54.57 | abrotman | xreal: oh, sorry, that binary is in dpkg-dev |
| 14:55.07 | xreal | abrotman: ok |
| 14:55.19 | xreal | Why didn't the dependencies get installed? Need to file a bug :-) |
| 14:55.20 | poisonbit | that could need some lvm-admin and mdadm man reading |
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| 14:55.52 | poisonbit | ^^ eptalon sorry, no know about a good doc for upgrading partition schema |
| 14:55.55 | eptalon | poisonbit: lvm/mdadm are not the prob.. |
| 14:56.14 | eptalon | poisonbit: its probably simply a grub(2) issue |
| 14:56.36 | asmogator | is 2.6.38.3 in sid repos ? |
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| 14:57.02 | poisonbit | If it's not production, having 2 disks you can play with one, and make the full raid latter |
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| 14:57.25 | twobitsprite | ,versions linux-image-2.6 |
| 14:57.27 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image-2.6' was found in i386. |
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| 14:57.42 | twobitsprite | ,versions linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 14:57.44 | judd | Package linux-image-2.6-amd64 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; sid: 2.6.38+33; wheezy: 2.6.38+33 |
| 14:58.59 | r0ny_ | hey i am having php53.dotdeb deb is enabled in sources,but i cant get php5-fpm ,any thoughts? |
| 14:59.05 | r0ny_ | debian 5.0 |
| 14:59.33 | poisonbit | php5-fpm is not in debian (at least not in 5.0 neither 6) |
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| 15:01.42 | poisonbit | r0ny_, at a side of being not oficial repos, looking at dotdeb mirrors, it's not in lenny, only for squeeze |
| 15:02.23 | poisonbit | just looked at the first mirror (Austria) |
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| 15:03.27 | kristian-work | eptalon: looks like I'll have to see |
| 15:03.36 | poisonbit | r0ny_, it's on oficial Debian repos on sid, you could try to backport it to your version |
| 15:03.52 | kristian-work | however, it looked fine on the test install... should be even better with the faster hdd |
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| 15:05.21 | abrotman | xreal: probably more like a suggests |
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| 15:07.25 | xreal | abrotman: netselect looks through all the servers. But it's damn fast. |
| 15:07.27 | xreal | Can I trust it? |
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| 15:07.44 | abrotman | up to you |
| 15:07.47 | dawud | with RHEL I usually do lvextend/resize with online lvs w/o problems, in Debian, I have always umounted, lvresized, e2fsck'ed, resize2fs'ed and mounted again. How safe is to extend online LVs? |
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| 15:09.22 | twobitsprite | xreal: is it really so bad to just go with a server that's fast enough? you seem to be spending a lot of time trying to get a faster server... probably could have had your packages installed already :P |
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| 15:09.52 | xreal | twobitsprite: I just want to figure it out... :-) |
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| 15:10.11 | twobitsprite | xreal: fair enough, I know how it is to get stuck on wanting to figure out a problem :) |
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| 15:11.19 | xreal | twobitsprite: :-/ |
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| 15:14.09 | DannyButterman | Can someone help me on this vtun problem ? |
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| 15:19.15 | AnthLee | I have done something horrible and now there is a package half configured by dpkg. This package is completely useless and I would like to remove it, but I can't. Is there a way to tell dpkg just to ignore the fact that it once attempted to install it? |
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| 15:20.15 | twobitsprite | AnthLee: what error do you get when you try to remove it? |
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| 15:20.54 | WormFood | how do I see how many sectors have been marked as bad on a vfat filesystem? |
| 15:20.54 | jae | AnthLee: As twobitsprite says, we cannot crystal-ball-gaze to find out what "I can't" means |
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| 15:21.47 | AnthLee | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 15:22.10 | WormFood | a completely useless package should do nothing, therefore it shouldn't be anything to remove :P |
| 15:22.12 | kristian-work | btw, I installed the uvesa driver |
| 15:22.32 | AnthLee | hold on I will pastebin everything |
| 15:22.40 | kristian-work | it was not really working, so I removed it and blacklisted... however, it's *still* trying to get run at startup... what to do? |
| 15:22.50 | kristian-work | uvesafb, sorry |
| 15:22.51 | AnthLee | http://pastebin.com/ui7NtqTB |
| 15:22.52 | jae | AnthLee: ah, good, just wanted to request exactly that ;) |
| 15:23.19 | AnthLee | seems to be a failure of removing diversion ... I just want the package ignored as everything is working |
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| 15:23.35 | dawud | WormFood: try smartctl on the problematic device |
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| 15:24.17 | AnthLee | keep in mind this package never completed the install process it failed then too ... its not really installed or working |
| 15:24.29 | WormFood | dawud, how would that help? |
| 15:24.33 | twobitsprite | AnthLee: do you have the error from when you installed it? |
| 15:24.49 | WormFood | dawud, does cmartctl know about vfat filesystems? |
| 15:24.50 | AnthLee | unfortunately no. |
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| 15:25.32 | dawud | WormFood: smartd knows about devices. bad sectors happen on devices not on filesystem, AFAIK |
| 15:25.38 | WormFood | AnthLee, did you read the dpkg man page? what did you try to do to fix it, and what were the results? |
| 15:25.38 | twobitsprite | AnthLee: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:25.41 | nobotz | trying to login into a debian rescue mode botted box |
| 15:26.15 | WormFood | dawud, smartd knows about my memory stick? amazing. That is pretty cool. I didn't know I could use SMART over usb. Thanks for the suggestion |
| 15:26.17 | AnthLee | running Squeeze and I am reading the manpage now |
| 15:26.37 | dawud | WormFood: I don't know |
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| 15:27.35 | dawud | WormFood: check the manpage, I never tried smartctl on usb. You didn't tell it was on usb neither. |
| 15:27.45 | WormFood | dawud, right...it does not. as flash devices do not support SMART...also your suggestion, while although I know you're trying to be helpful, was less than helpful. I don't care about the device. I know where the bad sectors are. I just wanted to see if my girlfriend reformatted it, and trashed the bad sector markings. |
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| 15:28.36 | dawud | WormFood: OK |
| 15:28.43 | WormFood | dawud, I shouldn't need to say it is usb, as that part is moot to my question. My question was very specific to what I wanted/needed. Your suggestion was mostly unrelated (totally unrelated in my case) |
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| 15:29.24 | WormFood | dawud, in short, I just need to know if I should reformat this device or not. |
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| 15:30.03 | WormFood | for what it is worth, I've NEVER seen a memory card where just a few sectors went bad....seems to be they either work or are mostly bad when they die |
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| 15:31.16 | xreal | I've got the bug! In mirror.txt a line is wrong! apt-spy can't handle this. |
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| 15:31.57 | twobitsprite | xreal: awesome... you should file a bug report |
| 15:32.04 | Dewi | WormFood: SMART can tunnel on USB in most cases, but indeed not for a flash device. |
| 15:32.14 | xreal | twobitsprite: Okay. |
| 15:32.43 | Sw33NY | bye all |
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| 15:34.24 | Dewi | WormFood: sorry I can't answer your actual question. Only had one of those things fail so far and it was so far gone it would often kill USB and need to be replugged |
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| 15:35.23 | WormFood | I found this one when I moved into my new apartment...I consider it to be unreliable, but as long as it works, I'll use it for non-critical things (my girlfriend loads it up with music and ebooks to use on her way to/from work) |
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| 15:36.42 | JasonWoof | since squeeze was released, I'm getting fairly frequent (10-20% of the time) hash sum mismatches from "http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/". Is that normal? is there something I can do besides waiting an hour every time? |
| 15:37.19 | WormFood | you're right Dewi....I was thinking smart wouldn't work over usb, because all the programs I've seen stated it wouldn't work over usb, when everything else in the program worked over usb. (in other words, the software supports USB and smart, but not SMART over usb) |
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| 15:38.42 | Dewi | WormFood: smartctl has some trick that works for some bridges but not others. Probably depends on the flavour of SCSI emulation or something |
| 15:38.54 | JasonWoof | arg, damn' you shift-insert! why do you do something different in terminals than in other programs? |
| 15:39.13 | WormFood | and at this time, I'm not aware of any flash device supporting smart, but unless some other protocol comes along to take it's place, I can see flash devices possibly supporting smart (as a common interface for that info) |
| 15:39.37 | JasonWoof | was trying to say: md5sum mismatches from: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main |
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| 15:40.27 | WormFood | you're probably right Dewi...I hadn't considered that either. But as I don't know the technical details of how SMART works, I'm at a disadvantage when it comes to making educated guesses about what situations might have problems with it. |
| 15:40.40 | JasonWoof | I like shift-insert to paste the selection in the terminal. but in pidgin and chromium it pasts the clipboard |
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| 15:40.54 | andornau1 | I'm having a hard time getting wpa up (via console). syslog shows that it authenticates then "deauthenticating by local choice (reason=1). I'm the wpa_supplicant debug output i can see that it associates, authenticates and then: ioctl(SIOCSIWENCODEEXT): Invalid argument\ Driver did not support SIOSCSIWENCODEEXT\ WPA: Failed to set GTK to driver \ RSN Failed to ijnstall GTK\ ... wpa_driver_wext_deauthenticate. And my syslog has repeati |
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| 15:41.43 | resixian | anyone know the meaning (or how to find it) for 'Errors 1' in the output of rdiff-backup? http://pastie.org/1815805 |
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| 15:42.20 | JasonWoof | resixian: it means you had one error? |
| 15:42.35 | resixian | 0.0 |
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| 15:42.56 | JasonWoof | this a trick question? ;) |
| 15:43.02 | resixian | i was hoping for just a little more verbosity... |
| 15:43.09 | resixian | lol |
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| 15:43.38 | resixian | i grepped and looking through the source (which is ewww for rdiff-backup btw) |
| 15:44.10 | resixian | i only see there is an add_error function for the StatsObj class |
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| 15:45.33 | JasonWoof | resixian: man page says there's supposed to be a log file |
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| 15:46.16 | asdf | MrFrood: ping |
| 15:46.39 | resixian | yeah, thats what it says in the log file :( |
| 15:46.59 | JasonWoof | resixian: ahh, try a higher verbosity level. eg -v 9 |
| 15:47.03 | MrFrood | asdf: pong |
| 15:47.10 | asdf | MrFrood: so my problem = resolved! :) |
| 15:47.31 | MrFrood | kewl - what what it in the end? |
| 15:47.34 | asdf | i think udev crapped itself, as various files in /dev/ looked wonky, including /dev/tty which wasn't a character device |
| 15:47.37 | MrFrood | :D |
| 15:47.51 | asdf | so i recreated it and it works now |
| 15:48.00 | asdf | that caused a stack of trouble for me |
| 15:48.14 | asdf | even htpasswd was acting weird when i was trying to change a user's password |
| 15:48.16 | MrFrood | so we were sort of sniffing along the right trck |
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| 15:49.13 | MrFrood | just a few junctions short of where we needed to be |
| 15:49.15 | asdf | MrFrood: yep! thanks again for your help, much appreciated |
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| 15:49.37 | MrFrood | just glad you got it sorted |
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| 15:50.19 | asdf | MrFrood: yeah me too, i was up a little too late last night, and a few beers over my quota for the evening, but it worked out |
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| 15:50.24 | asdf | :) |
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| 15:55.21 | acu | I am using squeeze and trying to connect remotely with remmina cannot be accomplish because the target desktop requires keyring - in the remote desktop it askes to unlock login keyring - how can I get rid of that on Squeeze GNOME |
| 15:55.33 | andornaut | solved my wireless / wpa problem by stopping wpa_supplicant, unloading the ath9k module, reloading it, and iwconfig wlan0 power off and then starting wpa_supplicant |
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| 15:56.13 | resixian | JasonWoof: well ofc now i get 'Errors 0' |
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| 15:57.21 | JasonWoof | resixian: of course :) |
| 15:57.52 | JasonWoof | resixian: could just be that a file moved between being noticed and being backed up |
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| 15:58.38 | resixian | though revisiting the manpage did find --terminal-verbosity so i can let the logs be more verbose, and stdout can be kept sane i guess |
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| 16:00.20 | resixian | JasonWoof: thats what i was thinking, but i find only one call to the StatFIleObj.add_error method, |
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| 16:01.34 | JasonWoof | resixian: ahh well. Guess the best you can do now is set up nice logging for next time |
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| 16:02.45 | jhutchins_lt | acu: What are you using for an RDP server? |
| 16:02.59 | andornaut | anyone know how i can set the iwconfig "power off" option for my wlan interface on startup? |
| 16:04.05 | acu | jhutchins_lt, I use vnc - the build in GNOME vino-preferences |
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| 16:05.00 | jhutchins_lt | So you have no idea what server it's running. |
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| 16:05.21 | danols | hi all |
| 16:05.40 | danols | i'm trying to update lenny to squeeze - I followed the tutorial but doing apt-get dis-upgrade does nothing ? |
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| 16:05.51 | danols | and tail /etc/debian-version still shows 5.0.X |
| 16:05.55 | danols | any thoughts ? |
| 16:06.36 | jhutchins_lt | danols: dis-upgrade is anot a valid option. |
| 16:06.41 | jhutchins_lt | danols: Which tutorial? |
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| 16:07.44 | danols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:07.56 | danols | hi jhutchins_lt http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrade-process |
| 16:07.57 | isobold | Hello everybody |
| 16:08.07 | isobold | I encountered a strange network problem inside a VM. My server handles traffic as intended for several ours, but suddenly stop accepting packages from external, even so I still see them pass by with tcpdump on the interface |
| 16:08.21 | isobold | this only happens with external packages, packes from the host are still accepted |
| 16:08.28 | danols | jhutchins_lt: I've updated another server with no problem a while back - so i'm not sure what I am doing wrong |
| 16:08.29 | isobold | I run out of ideas where to look |
| 16:08.49 | jhutchins_lt | danols: dist-upgrade |
| 16:08.59 | jhutchins_lt | danols: Did you do a plain upgrade first? |
| 16:09.08 | danols | jhutchins: yes |
| 16:09.16 | jhutchins_lt | Did that upgrade a lot of stuff? |
| 16:09.20 | danols | jhutchins_lt it updated something like 33 packagtes |
| 16:09.36 | jhutchins_lt | danols: Please pastebin your sources.list |
| 16:09.38 | danols | i'm recording the session so I can go back and verify |
| 16:09.39 | danols | k |
| 16:09.42 | danols | one moment |
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| 16:10.10 | danols | http://dpaste.com/534009/ |
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| 16:10.26 | danols | jhutchins_lt: preferences PIN file has been renamed |
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| 16:11.37 | jhutchins_lt | danols: Well, you are at stage one of the upgrade process. You have upgraded lenny to the most current packages. |
| 16:11.45 | dirtycookie | hi people |
| 16:11.55 | Oday | ho ho ho |
| 16:12.04 | Oday | that sounds major :) |
| 16:12.07 | dirtycookie | i wanted to know how to copy files that i have searched with find in bash |
| 16:12.07 | danols | jhutchins_lt: so now I need to switch lenny to suqeeze yes ? |
| 16:12.16 | jhutchins_lt | !lenny->squeeze |
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| 16:12.23 | jhutchins_lt | danols: Yes. |
| 16:12.31 | Bushmills | dirtycookie: -exec or -execdir from find |
| 16:12.32 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 16:12.33 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>. |
| 16:13.00 | Bushmills | or something using cp $(find...) dest |
| 16:13.19 | dirtycookie | Bushmills: how will the bash command look like? |
| 16:13.50 | Bushmills | find ... -exec ... + , or cp $(find ... ) dest |
| 16:13.51 | dirtycookie | Bushmills: i mean will it be like this "cp |find -name bla bla |
| 16:13.52 | dirtycookie | ? |
| 16:13.59 | dirtycookie | ah |
| 16:14.00 | dirtycookie | ok |
| 16:14.02 | danols | jhutchins_lt: why is this info not in the docs i'm reading ? very puzzled here :( |
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| 16:14.42 | r0ny_ | poisonbit: still aorund? |
| 16:14.43 | devilchaos | hi guys maybes one of you may help me i have a small iffy problem that im not sure what to do about i have an incomming active connection from an unkown ip from kuwate on port 12527 with an activity of 1kbp/s any ideas tried in general linux channel!? |
| 16:14.45 | danols | do I need to update my kernel running this commAnd ? apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,' ? it's higher than 2.6.32 |
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| 16:15.11 | devilchaos | oops its unkown but i have the ip as such |
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| 16:15.20 | sanjoyd | On running sudo apt-get update, I get this error: "E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_non-free_binary-amd64_Packages.IndexDiff (1)". What gives? |
| 16:15.20 | jhutchins_lt | danols: The docs attempt to be more comprehensive and are therefore less direct. |
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| 16:15.30 | jhutchins_lt | danols: They could probably use a rewrite. |
| 16:15.38 | devilchaos | how to block via firestarter might be a start? |
| 16:15.47 | dirtycookie | Bushmills: thanks for the help |
| 16:15.48 | r0ny_ | any idea why php-fpm couldnt be installed on debian 5.0 |
| 16:16.10 | danols | jhutchins_lt: could :) as I wouldn't be here but I want to say thank you to all debian users and devs - doing the upgrade now :P |
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| 16:16.19 | jhutchins_lt | devilchaos: First thing to do is find out what's listening on that port. |
| 16:16.57 | devilchaos | ok forgive me im good with my computer but dumb when it comes to things like this how do i do that? |
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| 16:17.43 | jhutchins_lt | danols: I've bookmarked that page on my to-do list. |
| 16:18.17 | mads- | How do I tell my debian server to always use a certain IP address? I only have ssh access to it |
| 16:18.50 | tensorpudding | mads-: are you using DHCP? if so, you have to configure it on that end |
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| 16:19.23 | devilchaos | jhutchins_lt how do i find out what is listening on that portplease dude? |
| 16:19.24 | jhutchins_lt | devilchaos: Well, you can get the information with netstat, but you may have to wade through a lot (there are ways to narrow it but I'm not real familiar with them). |
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| 16:19.35 | jhutchins_lt | devilchaos: You can also do it with lsof but I don't know how that works. |
| 16:19.48 | devilchaos | ah ok dude thanks |
| 16:20.07 | mads- | tensorpudding: Yes, I am. But can't I just tell my computer to use a certain IP? |
| 16:20.08 | jhutchins_lt | Review running processes with ps ax and make sure you know what each one is. |
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| 16:20.46 | andornaut | is it possible to hae network-manager or wicd set "power off" for the wlan interface? |
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| 16:20.58 | jhutchins_lt | tensorpudding: It's up to the DHCP server. If you override it you risk duplicating the address. |
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| 16:21.20 | pkkm | Is it possible to move logical partition out of extended partition? |
| 16:21.20 | tensorpudding | mads-: what jhutchins_lt said |
| 16:21.21 | jhutchins_lt | tensorpudding: You can request that whoever is providing dhcp assign you a static address. They sometimes charge more for that. |
| 16:21.30 | jhutchins_lt | geh. Sorry tensorpudding |
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| 16:22.09 | mads- | I have 3 computer behind my own router. And I just want to give my debian one a certain IP |
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| 16:22.33 | devilchaos | theres no entry for port 12527 but there is this though does this make any sense ? unix 3 [ ] STREAM CONNECTED 12866 @/tmp/dbus-zGs47NLByh |
| 16:22.40 | jhutchins_lt | mads-: Some providers will try to re-assign the same address, and it helps if it's always on, but if it changes regularly (telmex) you can use a service like http://dyndns.org to keep track of it. |
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| 16:23.35 | jhutchins_lt | mads-: So is your router assigning the IP address, or is the ISP assigning it? |
| 16:23.52 | mads- | It's just the LAN IP, so it's my router |
| 16:24.52 | JasonWoof | http://packages.debian.org/sid/gnome-themes-standard is missing the mipsel build. How can I found out why? |
| 16:24.57 | jhutchins_lt | mads-: You should be able to tell the router to give a specific IP to the MAC address of the debian box, or you can just assign a static address in /etc/interfaces and make sure your other devices don't use that address (set them up as static as well). |
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| 16:25.27 | bandie | hi all |
| 16:25.29 | mads- | jhutchins_lt: Thanks, that's what I'm looking for |
| 16:25.34 | mads- | hi bandie |
| 16:25.52 | bandie | how can i do dpkg --get-selections but offline? |
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| 16:26.20 | bandie | from what file may i search? |
| 16:26.36 | Bushmills | you don't need to be online for dpkg --get-selections |
| 16:26.59 | bandie | i mean offline=not booted into linux |
| 16:27.56 | bandie | (my system broken, and i want to conservate the installed packages for purpose of reinstall) |
| 16:28.00 | Bushmills | i suggest to run dpkg --get-selection > /somewhere/installed.packages from cron. that way you can reinstall packages from that list, if the need arises |
| 16:28.50 | Bushmills | especially useful if you backup that file along with other stuff, maybe your /etc directory, which would be a suitable target directory for that file |
| 16:28.53 | bandie | from now i will do it. but now i cannot boot up that system |
| 16:29.40 | bandie | so in what file can i find the package names? /var/lib/dpkg... |
| 16:29.50 | babilen | bandie: Use a live CD and chroot into the system. |
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| 16:29.54 | Bushmills | check /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 16:30.00 | babilen | !tell bandie -about aptitude clone |
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| 16:30.31 | babilen | bandie: I would recommend the aptitude clone approach though as it preserves information about autotmatically installed packages |
| 16:31.23 | bandie | good |
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| 16:32.29 | devilchaos | i just blocked the port number from my router and added rules to firestarter seems to have stopped it thanks for the help |
| 16:32.38 | devilchaos | though |
| 16:32.47 | bandie | doesnot /var/lib/dpkg/status contains information about auto installed packages? |
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| 16:33.57 | jelly | bandie: it does, but it doesn't say which one are auto- and which are not |
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| 16:34.28 | bandie | jelly: now understand |
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| 16:35.36 | bandie | !tell bandie -about aptitude clone |
| 16:35.42 | JasonWoof | OK, now I found the build tracker: https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=gnome-themes-standard&suite=sid says it "Needs-Build". The "old" log shows the previous package version (-1 instead of -2) building successfully, but that doesn't seem to be in the unstable repo |
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| 16:37.37 | bandie | gratias, viri |
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| 16:38.48 | devhell | wow.. thanks for aptitude clone (and debian clone) that is really useful information! |
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| 16:42.53 | JasonWoof | hmph. looks like gcc rebuilds are holding up the mipsel builders |
| 16:43.15 | JasonWoof | Building21: gcc-4.4 (1d 9h 16m, phrixos), gcc-4.6 (9h 9m, monteverdi) |
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| 16:46.37 | babilen | devhell: yw :) |
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| 16:53.25 | Mandor | Is there any way for folks on a Debian system to use Visio files? |
| 16:53.39 | Mandor | Other than wine, which has its issues. |
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| 16:53.52 | Mandor | I'm willing to pay for a commercial product if necessary. |
| 16:54.01 | dirtycookie | Bushmills: u there? |
| 16:54.42 | dirtycookie | wanted to know how to find for *.iso and *.iso files |
| 16:54.49 | dirtycookie | wanted to know how to find for *.iso and *.ISO files |
| 16:54.50 | dirtycookie | sry |
| 16:55.14 | twobitsprite | Mandor: crossover office is a commercial windows emulator that's tuned to work with MS Office and other things like that |
| 16:56.25 | twobitsprite | visio 2007 is gold certified by crossover so it should work fine |
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| 16:57.39 | twobitsprite | Mandor: or there's kivio for KDE or Dia for Gnome |
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| 16:59.38 | JasonWoof | well, it didn't take so long to build gnome-themes-standard myself. probably less time than I spent trying to figure out why it wasn't build in unstable yet. |
| 17:00.02 | dirtycookie | i have in my DOWNLOAD folder iso files that end with .iso and .ISO scattered around in subfolders. how can i find them properly so that i can use the result for copying them to a location |
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| 17:00.28 | twobitsprite | dirtycookie: find . -iname "*.iso" |
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| 17:00.57 | up23four | ** FOMA F905i ** |
| 17:00.57 | up23four | ** 1 pack ** 10 of 10 slots open, Min: 0.1KB/s |
| 17:00.57 | up23four | ** Bandwidth Usage ** Current: 0.0KB/s, Record: 53.6KB/s |
| 17:00.57 | up23four | ** To request a file, type "/msg up23four xdcc send #x" ** |
| 17:00.57 | up23four | ** To request details, type "/msg up23four xdcc info #x" ** |
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| 17:01.50 | dirtycookie | twobitsprite: ah thanks |
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| 17:02.00 | lwithers | yesterday I installed an update to request-tracker in response to a security advisory; unfortunately, there have been some regressions. Is it possible to find out which version I had installed prior to yesterday's upgrade? (I used aptitude, if it makes any difference) |
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| 17:03.03 | twobitsprite | lwithers: /var/log/aptitude might help... I don't remember if it keeps track of the old version or not |
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| 17:03.31 | lwithers | twobitsprite: indeed it does, thank you :) |
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| 17:05.19 | simonlnu | !tell up23four[3~ -about paste |
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| 17:05.34 | simonlnu | !tell up23four -about paste |
| 17:05.39 | simonlnu | sighs |
| 17:05.51 | twobitsprite | simonlnu: I don't think that's a paste... I think it's a warez bot |
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| 17:07.01 | simonlnu | you're right |
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| 17:07.18 | simonlnu | !ops up23four warez bot or such |
| 17:07.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: simonlnu complains about: up23four warez bot or such |
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| 17:07.51 | simonlnu | thank you |
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| 17:09.53 | kurohyou | hi, i've just installed a base system with xbmc, when i'm logged in as a normal user i can start xbmc by running startx, how can i start xbmc on boot without doing anything? |
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| 17:14.15 | phunguy | kuro add an entry to rc.d |
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| 17:14.25 | Iridos | there is no xbmc in stock debian |
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| 17:14.51 | sose | umm. hi. I'm trying to install debian on an old computer of mine. I chose the netinstall cd (debian-6.0.1a-i386-netinst.iso). it went okay at first but now the installer is demanding that I place the official netinstall CD in /media/cdrom to continue |
| 17:15.08 | sose | I can't even eject the CD and the setup is jammed now |
| 17:15.13 | kurohyou | phunguy: like "update-rc.d xbmc defaults" |
| 17:15.18 | sose | any ideas? |
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| 17:15.39 | twobitsprite | sose: bad cd drive gave up the ghost? |
| 17:15.56 | twobitsprite | how far did the installation get? |
| 17:15.57 | AnthLee | Iridos, its in the Debian Multimedia repo (Yea its not official but may as well be) |
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| 17:16.08 | sose | twobitsprite: umm, it installed a bunch of packages already |
| 17:16.24 | twobitsprite | sose: so, in the middle of installing packages it just stopped and gave the message? |
| 17:16.26 | sose | I think it got through the "installing the base system" part |
| 17:16.32 | kurohyou | Iridos: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main non-free |
| 17:16.34 | sose | and into additional software |
| 17:16.41 | Iridos | AnthLee, there's although this 'buntu thing... just wondering |
| 17:16.41 | sose | I guess it froze right there |
| 17:16.58 | AnthLee | Iridos, huh? |
| 17:16.59 | twobitsprite | sose: reboot the system and try again... if it fails at the same place, try burning a new copy of the CD |
| 17:17.30 | twobitsprite | sose: otherwise it might be hardware problems since you did say it was an old computer |
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| 17:17.53 | Iridos | AnthLee, never mind |
| 17:18.04 | kurohyou | Iridos: you are suggesting that i should use this buntu thing? i just like debian better, sorry |
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| 17:18.42 | Iridos | kurohyou, as you have no display manager... why don't you just start X from /etc/rc.local |
| 17:19.41 | kurohyou | Iridos: okay, nice, but as what user will it run? |
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| 17:19.53 | sose | twobitsprite: yeah one problem is that I kind of used a messy linux installation to boot the installer.. had to use grub to boot it since the computer can't really boot from a CD it seems.. plus the floppy drive is broken |
| 17:20.01 | sose | but I already went ahead and repartitioned the whole drive |
| 17:20.07 | sose | so grub probably won't be there anymore..? |
| 17:20.08 | Iridos | kurohyou, as root if you don't use start-stop-daemon or sudo -c command |
| 17:20.26 | twobitsprite | !rube goldberg install |
| 17:20.26 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 17:20.30 | twobitsprite | :P |
| 17:20.34 | Iridos | there's also |
| 17:20.36 | Iridos | !autologin |
| 17:20.37 | dpkg | If you want an insecure box that boots into a session with your user. Xdm cannot do autologin but gdm and kdm can if you really want them to. (But do you?) |
| 17:20.53 | sose | twobitsprite: meh |
| 17:21.02 | twobitsprite | sorry... I don't know what to tell you |
| 17:21.04 | kurohyou | no i don't, i have a normal user and want it to run with those credentials |
| 17:21.13 | sose | yeah I know, not really the easiest thing to solve :| |
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| 17:22.36 | twobitsprite | sose: you have another machine on the network, and does your old machine support PXE boot (longshot, I know... :P) |
| 17:22.44 | sose | I wonder why it even needs the CD right now since I thought it'd be downloading most of it online :/ |
| 17:22.54 | Iridos | kurohyou, I think I explained all the options you have now... err and that was supposed to be "su -c", not "sudo -c" |
| 17:22.55 | sose | since it got through the basic system stuff just fine |
| 17:23.03 | twobitsprite | sose: well, the CD represents the root filesystem of the installer... |
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| 17:23.25 | twobitsprite | most systems don't like having their root filesystem disappearing |
| 17:23.28 | sose | :D |
| 17:23.42 | AnthLee | Iridos, there is also SLiM login manager, which I explained in PM |
| 17:23.54 | twobitsprite | sose: anyways, I'm out of ideas, good luck |
| 17:24.22 | sose | twobitsprite: thanks anyways |
| 17:24.43 | sose | but yea no PXE I'm pretty sure because it's such an ancient machine :| |
| 17:24.47 | RichiH | cb |
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| 17:25.11 | sose | somehow managing to install some kind of a bootloader right now might be great |
| 17:25.15 | Iridos | AnthLee, hm, don't know that... possibly add to the "autologin" factoid? seems to be up the same tree |
| 17:25.28 | sose | so I could atleast use grub to boot and then use the CD again :d |
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| 17:26.06 | AnthLee | Iridos, don't know how to add things to the dpkg bot =/ |
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| 17:27.04 | Iridos | also I thought the autologin factoid had some more concrete advice on how to configure... :-/ |
| 17:27.10 | Iridos | !literal autologin |
| 17:27.10 | dpkg | "autologin" is "<reply>If you want an insecure box that boots into a session with your user. Xdm cannot do autologin but gdm and kdm can if you really want them to. (But do you?)" |
| 17:27.35 | jelly | !yes |
| 17:27.35 | dpkg | really??? wohoo! |
| 17:27.37 | Iridos | AnthLee, /msg dpkg no, autologin is <reply> If you ...(and so on) |
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| 17:29.12 | DAMN3dg1rl | hallo |
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| 17:31.08 | Iridos | jelly, wasn't there concrete info about how to configure autologins next to the bashing? |
| 17:31.14 | DAMN3dg1rl | i'm using debian 7.0 wheezy now, and i ave a problem with mi tv dvb-t tuner asus my cinema p-7131h : the output is a video corrupted and with many issues |
| 17:31.26 | jelly | Iridos: I don't remember |
| 17:31.38 | jelly | DAMN3dg1rl: wheezy isn't released yet. |
| 17:31.56 | DAMN3dg1rl | jelly, yes, is a testing .... |
| 17:32.52 | red2kic | I realized something. awesome is in debian? |
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| 17:33.20 | red2kic | !awesome |
| 17:33.21 | dpkg | awesome is, like, a dynamic floating and tiling <window manager>. http://awesome.naquadah.org/ #awesome on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 17:33.31 | red2kic | Ah. I guess it is. |
| 17:34.11 | kurohyou | somebody here with an alc887 sound chip? i can't seem to get 5.1 to work |
| 17:34.11 | DAMN3dg1rl | i think the problem is the 2.6.38-2-amd64 kernel , and the player used isn't relevant |
| 17:34.30 | DAMN3dg1rl | jelly, is a problem if isn't relased ? |
| 17:35.28 | DammitJim | how do you exit from chroot? |
| 17:36.00 | DammitJim | just exit? |
| 17:36.00 | DAMN3dg1rl | DammitJim, type exit |
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| 17:36.40 | DammitJim | why does my system keep telling me warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US.UTF-8) ? |
| 17:37.36 | twobitsprite | I'm having a hard time not making corny "dammit jim" jokes |
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| 17:42.45 | orudie | whats a good way to search for a string in a certain directory to search all the fils that contain a string |
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| 17:42.55 | orudie | search files for a string |
| 17:43.20 | twobitsprite | greep -R |
| 17:43.27 | twobitsprite | grep -R # doh |
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| 17:44.20 | twobitsprite | orudie: as in: grep -R "string to find" /path/to/directory/ |
| 17:45.03 | orudie | twobitsprite, awesome worked like a charm. |
| 17:45.08 | DammitJim | the file name or the file's contents? |
| 17:45.17 | orudie | DammitJim, content |
| 17:45.26 | DammitJim | twobitsprite, got it |
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| 17:46.43 | sickgut | http://www.pimpscape.info/linux/debian-6.0.1-standard-usb-live-persistant-2gb.img.gz |
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| 17:46.47 | HaPyT0 | hi 2 @11 |
| 17:48.07 | twobitsprite | HaPyT0: wh4t c4n w3 d0 f0r j00, l33t 0n3? |
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| 17:48.43 | HaPyT0 | Help me , how to install meneger of theme in the debian squeeze |
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| 17:48.58 | sickgut | ^^ my live persistent 2gb usb flashdrive install. 309mb compressed with gzip, has 1500mb live-rw file and 150mb swap partition on end of drive |
| 17:49.08 | sickgut | is any one wants it |
| 17:49.12 | HaPyT0 | it's 6.0.1a pack |
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| 17:50.13 | twobitsprite | HaPyT0: theme for what? gnome? kde? xmms? |
| 17:50.28 | HaPyT0 | kde 4.4.6 |
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| 17:51.05 | HaPyT0 | sorry of my brack english, now I'm learn him +) |
| 17:51.16 | twobitsprite | go to the KDE menu, and click on "system settings", then click on the icon called "appearance" |
| 17:52.05 | sose | btw, twobitsprite, thanks for helping me earlier. I got the problem solved (and atleast the installation is carrying on for now) by burning another CD with the same iso and stuffing it into the other cdrom drive the system has... |
| 17:52.33 | twobitsprite | sose: glad to hear it... either a bad cd burn or a bad drive most likely |
| 17:52.38 | sose | yeah could be either |
| 17:52.50 | sose | the machine and all its components are atleast 10 years old |
| 17:52.52 | sose | maybe more |
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| 17:53.27 | twobitsprite | yep... I think you're well past the mean time to failure for that thing :P |
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| 17:54.45 | BuG_HanT3r | twobitsprite, ok thanks, and what repository do you advise me to update non free??? What I'm must write to the source.list |
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| 17:57.30 | twobitsprite | !tell BuG_HanT3r -about non-free sources |
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| 17:58.04 | asmogator | so i installed wine 'apt-get -t sid install wine' |
| 17:58.08 | asmogator | and i have now version 1.0.1 |
| 17:58.22 | asmogator | while stable wine from winehq.org have version 1.2.3 |
| 17:58.31 | asmogator | i thought sid was supposed to have latest packages ? |
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| 17:58.44 | rgr | stay away from wine is my advice... |
| 17:58.52 | asmogator | i don't need such advice. |
| 17:58.53 | twobitsprite | rgr: why? |
| 17:58.53 | asmogator | ;D |
| 17:59.01 | BuG_HanT3r | twobitsprite,OK thanks duble two =) , and if I do not worry, I have one last question, how do I install the driver on vidiocard Ati radion x1100 |
| 17:59.18 | asmogator | i need to know why sid repos hold such old wine version |
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| 17:59.38 | rgr | because its awful, breaks from version to version, is way out of date in Debian too often and dragging in sid into stable is asking for trouble. other than that not reasons. I dropped it and use a VM now when I must run some Windows SW. |
| 18:00.08 | torl | how do i execute a file in debian?I've tried with ./file but it says permission denied |
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| 18:00.39 | rgr | asmogator: same as in stable |
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| 18:00.49 | sose | torl: try giving it the permission to execute. chmod +x file |
| 18:00.51 | asmogator | 2bad |
| 18:01.07 | torl | it is already chmoded |
| 18:01.16 | rgr | asmogator: debian is always tardy with bringing stuff in. probably no one has the time or engery to update it in sid. |
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| 18:07.34 | BuG_HanT3r | how ti install a vidiodriver of the vidiocard ati radion x1100, can someone help me ??? |
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| 18:09.39 | BuG_HanT3r | 0_j |
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| 18:14.02 | karlpinc | !tell torl about permissions |
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| 18:16.08 | karlpinc | torl: It's possible your filesystem is mounted noexec.... |
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| 18:24.47 | sose | uhh. now I actually got the system to finish the install and boot up properly.. then I tried to apt-get some programs (mumble-server) and suddenly after getting all the packages.. It's asking me to insert the damn installation cdrom?! |
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| 18:25.14 | sose | apt sources somehow borked? |
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| 18:25.59 | sose | yeah apparently the cdrom was still in sources.list... no idea why that would happen :| |
| 18:26.06 | mad__bull | how can i prevent my wireless card driver getting loaded at boot |
| 18:26.36 | mad__bull | i have two wireless cards one usb one inbuilt |
| 18:26.49 | mad__bull | think the inbuilt one messes with my connectivity from the usb one |
| 18:26.56 | mad__bull | i want to stop the kernel loading the driver |
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| 18:28.04 | cahoot | mad__bull: try /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 18:29.52 | twobitsprite | sose: is this an old install CD? I'm pretty sure recent netinst CDs should comment out the cdrom line in sources.list after the install |
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| 18:31.00 | sose | twobitsprite: should be a recent one.. debian-6.0.1a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 18:31.17 | sose | wonder if my previous problems were also just because of that line :P |
| 18:31.17 | twobitsprite | hmm... *shrug* |
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| 18:31.55 | twobitsprite | I just recently ran a netinst myself, and I didn't have any such problems, and the cdrom line is commented out in my sources.list... not sure what happened on yours |
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| 18:33.37 | bonjoyee | if i do "shutdown -h +10" i know the computer will halt after 10 minutes..but does this process end the running tasks (like downloading, torrents etc) gracefully? |
| 18:34.36 | morn__ | Hi. The package ktechlab exists in stable, but not in unstable. Is it recommended to add lines for stable to /etc/apt/sources.list or what shall I do? |
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| 18:36.08 | morn__ | bonjoyee: a SIGTERM is being sent to all processes. if they dont terminate, they are SIGKILLed after some seconds |
| 18:36.37 | twobitsprite | bonjoyee: the shutdown process will sent TERM signals to every process which asks them to shut down gracefully, but if they take too long to shut down they'll catch a KILL signal which is caught by the kernel and will stop the process |
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| 18:37.31 | twobitsprite | morn__: you are running a system on unstable? |
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| 18:38.01 | morn__ | yes i do |
| 18:38.06 | twobitsprite | why? |
| 18:38.34 | bonjoyee | morn__: twobitsprite: so is it a right way to do it..or is there a better way to halt after completing downloads? |
| 18:38.45 | mad__bull | cahoot, try dpkg black list? |
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| 18:39.13 | twobitsprite | bonjoyee: what do you want to do? you want the server to automatically shut down when a download is complete or something? |
| 18:39.31 | evilbulgarian | hi, is there an setting or switch for apt-get dist-upgrade to automatically choose the defaults when debconfig stuff comes up? |
| 18:39.43 | karlpinc | evilbulgarian: man debconf |
| 18:39.54 | karlpinc | evilbulgarian: You can set an enviornment variable, iirc, if nothing elese. |
| 18:39.55 | morn__ | twobitsprite: i run unstable to have the latest packages. its not a server that must run stable ;) |
| 18:40.04 | bonjoyee | twobitsprite: yes..is debian squeeze 64 bit desktop |
| 18:40.06 | karlpinc | !sns |
| 18:40.06 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 18:40.16 | evilbulgarian | karlpinc: thanks! |
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| 18:40.24 | twobitsprite | morn__: why not just run testing and then pull the stuff you really must have from unstable? |
| 18:40.37 | mad__bull | !dpkg |
| 18:40.38 | dpkg | i heard dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 18:40.40 | karlpinc | morn__: Or even run stable and use backports and volatile. |
| 18:40.46 | mad__bull | !dpkg blacklist |
| 18:40.47 | dpkg | In lenny and squeeze, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 18:40.56 | karlpinc | !tell mad__bull about selftell |
| 18:41.18 | lapfrog | !tell on you! |
| 18:41.50 | morn__ | i did choose the unstable distribution with care and i could solve all problems coming up. in fact for me testing was less stable then unstable. |
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| 18:42.07 | mad__bull | will lspci or dmesg tell me module name? |
| 18:42.09 | karlpinc | morn__: That can be the case, because it can take longer for fixes to get in. |
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| 18:42.32 | twobitsprite | morn__: except for packages that don't exist huh? :P |
| 18:42.34 | morn__ | why is ktechlab not in unstable but in stable? |
| 18:42.42 | twobitsprite | ,versions ktechlab |
| 18:42.44 | mad__bull | maybe i just find on /lib/modules/`uname -r` |
| 18:42.44 | judd | Package ktechlab on i386 -- lenny: 0.3-9; squeeze: 0.3.7-10 |
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| 18:43.16 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hey |
| 18:43.28 | mad__bull | lsmod maybe |
| 18:43.30 | mibocote | any idea why it would say the timezone is -0500 when I set it to America/Chicago, which is -0600? |
| 18:44.03 | morn__ | was ktechlab removed from debian for a specific reason? |
| 18:44.32 | twobitsprite | don't know, but it's listed on packages.d.o |
| 18:44.34 | twobitsprite | http://packages.debian.org/sid/ktechlab |
| 18:45.08 | morn__ | what the hell is debports? sounds ugly. |
| 18:45.29 | twobitsprite | ahh.. hmm |
| 18:45.31 | twobitsprite | !deports |
| 18:45.34 | twobitsprite | !debports |
| 18:45.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, debports is a perl script to create a BSD-like ports structure on debian systems; get it at <http://www.the-labs.com/Linux/debports> |
| 18:45.47 | twobitsprite | yeah, does sound ugly |
| 18:46.05 | mad__bull | !dpkg lsmod |
| 18:46.25 | babilen | scowls at mad__bull |
| 18:46.34 | twobitsprite | anyways, you can e-mail the ktechlab maintainers and ask them why it's been removed from sid, or wth they mean by debports or how to use it |
| 18:46.42 | mad__bull | wonders why babilen is scowling |
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| 18:46.58 | bzed | !tell mad__bull about selftell |
| 18:47.02 | morn__ | i faced the same problem with bbkeys |
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| 18:47.17 | mad__bull | oh i see |
| 18:47.18 | mad__bull | sorry |
| 18:47.22 | twobitsprite | morn__: well... you are running unstable... :P |
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| 18:47.50 | morn__ | i was not told a word about debports. |
| 18:48.02 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | how is Unstable after the release of squeeze? Bit usable yet? or bumpy? :S |
| 18:48.25 | Bushmills | unstable enough for me to settle for testing for now |
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| 18:48.46 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Bushmills: testing is fine as of now? |
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| 18:48.51 | eptalon | hello there |
| 18:48.58 | morn__ | i had no easily resolvable stability issues yet with unstable. just that missing packages. |
| 18:48.58 | Bushmills | it's ... ok |
| 18:49.32 | twobitsprite | morn__: well... unstable is unstable, meaning it will occasionally break, or undergo painful changes |
| 18:49.37 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmm I use LXDE and a minimal system. So guess it wont break that bad eh .. |
| 18:49.42 | Bushmills | no problems which can't be resolved with a bit of effort of patience |
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| 18:49.52 | Bushmills | effort *or* patience |
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| 18:50.16 | eptalon | sh4d3sl4y3r_: no guarantees |
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| 18:51.13 | morn__ | ok so you dont know why lots of essential (in my eyes) packages has in fact been removed fro unstable? |
| 18:51.19 | karlpinc | mibocote: Daylight savings time? |
| 18:51.25 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Any update if there will be an **INSTALLABLE* Debian LIVE CD ever? |
| 18:51.34 | twobitsprite | morn__: if you depend on packages which are essential to you, you shouldn't be running unstable |
| 18:51.42 | ompaul | sh4d3sl4y3r_: I heard you were working on it |
| 18:52.08 | twobitsprite | morn__: that's what stable is for ;) |
| 18:52.22 | Iridos | actually, I thought it is installable |
| 18:52.34 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ompaul: sure i would. if i knew good coding. guess now i know the reasons why canonical gets all the support for the so called "FRIENDLY" behavior. Wish #debian will get over its sarcasm soon |
| 18:52.47 | karlpinc | How do I tell an external usb drive to go into power save? |
| 18:52.57 | Iridos | sh4d3sl4y3r_, why didn't you check at http://www.debian.org/CD/live/? |
| 18:53.03 | twobitsprite | wishes people would stop complaning that debian isn't ubuntu and just use ubuntu |
| 18:53.08 | Iridos | karlpinc, hdparm? |
| 18:53.09 | morn__ | twobitsprite: they are not in testing anyway so i guess they will be completely removed in the next debian stable release? |
| 18:53.26 | ompaul | sh4d3sl4y3r_: that wasn't sarcastic, if you want I could do it. ;-) It was ironic. |
| 18:53.27 | karlpinc | Iridos: I'll give it a look |
| 18:53.34 | twobitsprite | morn__: why are you asking me? I'm not a package maintainer for ktechlab |
| 18:53.36 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Iridos: I meant an "INSTALLABLE" debian Live. not a snapshot... |
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| 18:54.09 | Bushmills | wonders why ubuntu users keep asking on #debian if there's the friendly canonical support |
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| 18:54.29 | morn__ | twobitsprite: if i depend on these packages, i will not be happy with the next stable release either. its not a problem related to unstable. |
| 18:54.43 | Iridos | sh4d3sl4y3r_, pardon? |
| 18:54.45 | twobitsprite | morn__: not my problem... complain to the kteclab people |
| 18:54.56 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | brb |
| 18:54.56 | twobitsprite | I'm sure there's a good reason |
| 18:55.02 | karlpinc | sh4d3sl4y3r_: How about usnig debootstrap? |
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| 18:56.28 | morn__ | twobitsprite: i dont want to blame you for that. maybe there is some reason why they were removed. ill search for it. thanks. |
| 18:56.46 | medeman | /msg dpkg squeeze |
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| 18:56.58 | medeman | lol i fail |
| 18:57.08 | ompaul | morn__: to upgrade one system from one level to another you can't keep old packages around. |
| 18:57.18 | WaterRatj | Hmm dilemma, tryign to install debian on desktop pc without usb support and no cd-rom support, anyone any thoughts? |
| 18:57.20 | Iridos | karlpinc, a) he's gorn b) the debian live site says you can install from the contents of the image |
| 18:57.33 | medeman | debian still doesnt work on my pc |
| 18:57.54 | morn__ | ompaul: i did not know that there is a debian policy to remove old packages. |
| 18:57.55 | medeman | i tried many different graphic drivers |
| 18:58.05 | medeman | only recovery mode works |
| 18:58.05 | Iridos | yeah... mine sits on the couch all day long, too :( |
| 18:58.09 | twobitsprite | morn__: however, being as the ktechlab.org site no longer exists, I would speculate that it was removed because the upstream project is dead |
| 18:58.16 | karlpinc | Iridos: hdparm seems like it's going to work, although I can't test now. Thanks. (He claims he'll be back...) |
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| 18:58.26 | Bushmills | incentives for "working" are: bribing, threatening, whipping |
| 18:58.36 | medeman | so can someone help me? |
| 18:58.41 | ompaul | morn__: it is when you are doing unstable stuff, else you can't progress |
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| 18:59.01 | karlpinc | medeman: You need to give us details. |
| 18:59.05 | karlpinc | !tell medeman about doesn't work |
| 18:59.16 | catatonic | quick question, i've forgotten my root password, no direct access, no kvm |
| 18:59.23 | catatonic | remote hands are $300/hr+ |
| 18:59.28 | catatonic | ..how screwed am i? :\ |
| 18:59.29 | WaterRatj | Anyone? (Question Above) |
| 18:59.34 | Bushmills | we'll charge twice |
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| 18:59.40 | ompaul | catatonic: you are down $300 and |
| 18:59.41 | Iridos | karlpinc, most drives are seen/handled as scsi drives by the kernel these days, but hdparm still sometimes works... dunno what to do with those where it doesn't |
| 18:59.50 | karlpinc | WaterRatj: pxeboot. Otherwise see the install guide. |
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| 19:00.10 | morn__ | ompaul: removal of working packages is no progress. ill see if there were unsolvable bugs in ktechlab. |
| 19:00.22 | medeman | karlpinc: i explained earlier...uhmm...okay. as i installed debian 6.0.1a from cd 1 without internet connection it worked |
| 19:00.24 | morn__ | maybe there are problems. |
| 19:00.25 | karlpinc | catatonic: You didn't set yourself up with sudo by accident? |
| 19:00.26 | Bushmills | catatonic: though a cheaper solution could be: avocados |
| 19:00.28 | mad__bull | how can i find out which module it is i need to black list? |
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| 19:00.42 | ompaul | morn__: you if you want stable you run squeeze, if you run unstable expect changes on the way to wheezy whenever it's ready |
| 19:00.45 | medeman | however i installed with internet connection to get all the drivers and standard applications |
| 19:00.46 | mad__bull | so i'm not sure which module is being loaded by my kernel for my internal wifi card |
| 19:00.55 | medeman | then it didnt work |
| 19:01.05 | arcangelus | HI |
| 19:01.18 | karlpinc | medeman: How do you know it didn't work? |
| 19:01.19 | medeman | recovery mode worked though |
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| 19:01.31 | poisonbit | mad__bull, dmesg, lsmod, modinfo modulename.... |
| 19:01.32 | catatonic | karlpinc: not actually my box, debian was installed and it was shipped out to the dc, everything was going to be done remotely |
| 19:01.46 | arcangelus | i'v just installed debian, where is INTERNET EXPLORER?? PLEASE HELP ME!!! |
| 19:02.01 | arcangelus | i'v just installed debian, where is INTERNET EXPLORER?? PLEASE HELP ME!!! |
| 19:02.02 | Margaritelli | hi |
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| 19:02.10 | arcangelus | i'v just installed debian, where is INTERNET EXPLORER?? PLEASE HELP ME!!! |
| 19:02.12 | morn__ | ompaul: as i mentioned before the package will not be included in the next stable. so its not a unstable related problem |
| 19:02.15 | Margaritelli | please arcangelus, wait your moment |
| 19:02.18 | Margaritelli | guys |
| 19:02.19 | Bushmills | !ops arcangelus trolling |
| 19:02.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: bushmills complains about: arcangelus trolling |
| 19:02.24 | Margaritelli | I created a Linux distribution, how can I make it famous? |
| 19:02.32 | medeman | arcangelus: iceweasel is debians browser xD |
| 19:02.36 | ompaul | morn__: missed that |
| 19:02.39 | Margaritelli | I created a Linux distribution, how can I make it famous? |
| 19:02.43 | arcangelus | i'm not "trolling" whatever |
| 19:02.50 | arcangelus | i need to find internet! |
| 19:02.50 | mad__bull | poisonbit, thanks |
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| 19:02.56 | Margaritelli | and it's name is cool |
| 19:03.00 | medeman | so karlpinc recovery mode does work and normal mode freezes at start on a black screen with a frozen loading cursor |
| 19:03.12 | mad__bull | lsmod will definitely show the module? |
| 19:03.15 | Margaritelli | but i don't know how make it FAMOUS |
| 19:03.19 | karlpinc | medeman: That's what you need to tell people. |
| 19:03.19 | Margaritelli | anyone can help me? |
| 19:03.24 | arcangelus | I'm a noob and i can't find internet explorer on my debian! |
| 19:03.28 | eptalon | Margaritelli: there are many way. |
| 19:03.29 | Margaritelli | is called "fuck SLUT" |
| 19:03.30 | poisonbit | mad__bull, it will show all the loaded modules |
| 19:03.31 | mad__bull | as inere it the driver should be th |
| 19:03.37 | karlpinc | Margaritelli: Go ask #linux. We're here to support debian. |
| 19:03.44 | WaterRatj | internet explorer on debian? lol why would you do that |
| 19:03.49 | poisonbit | mad__bull, better try first domething like dmesg | grep -i eth |
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| 19:03.53 | poisonbit | or grep wlan |
| 19:03.54 | poisonbit | ... |
| 19:04.08 | arcangelus | I HAVE RIPPED DEBIAN, AND NOW I HAVE CREATED A NEW DISTRO, NAMED SUCASUCA |
| 19:04.10 | mad__bull | yep did |
| 19:04.15 | medeman | i tried it with other drivers, 2 nvidia ones (current and debian current), and the 2 other ones (how are they called again? they werent from nvidia) |
| 19:04.19 | mad__bull | eth0: Broadcom BCM4357 802.11 Hybrid Wireless Controller 5.60.246.6 |
| 19:04.20 | Margaritelli | because while I was writing I was fucking your sisters |
| 19:04.26 | mad__bull | this is the guy i want to stop |
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| 19:04.34 | poisonbit | arcangelus, will it comes with network manager and social networks ? |
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| 19:04.46 | arcangelus | YEAH, it's suca suca |
| 19:04.47 | medeman | my hardware is a amd 1,6ghz 3000+ single-core cpu, a nvidia 7300gs 256mb gpu, 1536mb ddr ram |
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| 19:04.49 | karlpinc | !ops Make arcangelus and Margaritelli go away. |
| 19:04.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: karlpinc complains about: Make arcangelus and Margaritelli go away. |
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| 19:05.12 | curmudgeon_ | "fuck SLUT" - the name should do it. Just hang out on Undernet. |
| 19:05.44 | medeman | so can someone help me? i got help last time, but then i had to go =( |
| 19:06.15 | poisonbit | mad__bull, maybe some module called bcm* in lsmod ? |
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| 19:06.30 | eptalon | medeman: whats your prob? |
| 19:06.39 | medeman | i explained up there |
| 19:06.51 | medeman | should i explain it again? |
| 19:07.01 | eptalon | medeman: architecture is probably amd64 |
| 19:07.07 | MrFrood | yes - there was a lot of spam |
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| 19:07.34 | mad__bull | poisonbit, yeah thats whats confusing me |
| 19:07.37 | mad__bull | no output for |
| 19:07.37 | medeman | no, its not a 64-bit processor, it says it though, but its an i686 processor, so i picked the i386 version of debian |
| 19:07.38 | ompaul | medeman: given that it is a short story could you consider writing it out in pastebin and giving people the url? |
| 19:07.42 | mad__bull | lsmod | grep -i bcm* |
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| 19:08.09 | Bushmills | mad__bull: i'm using brcm80211 module with Broadcom BCM4314 controller |
| 19:08.47 | marienz | *12 |
| 19:08.51 | marienz | bah, sorry |
| 19:08.52 | eptalon | medeman: shouldn't make much difference |
| 19:08.54 | poisonbit | mad__bull, if it's in dmesg, try | grep -A5 -B5 eth to see 5 lines before/after and maybe you see the module name |
| 19:08.54 | mad__bull | maybe the driver is not loaded then? |
| 19:09.08 | eptalon | medeman: all amd64 cpuis I know also run in i386 |
| 19:09.16 | medeman | yes they do |
| 19:09.20 | mad__bull | poisonbit, yep good idea |
| 19:09.30 | poisonbit | if you see the device in iwconfig or /proc/net/dev, then the driver is loaded |
| 19:09.31 | medeman | i run 32-bit windows xp on the same machine, however debian has its own partition |
| 19:09.39 | eptalon | medeman: so what's your prob? |
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| 19:10.13 | medeman | it freezes at start |
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| 19:10.53 | mad__bull | i see it in iwconfig poisonbit |
| 19:10.55 | eptalon | Any meaningful messages? - also does it freeze before bootloader or after? |
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| 19:11.10 | mad__bull | i just see lib80211_crypt |
| 19:11.13 | mad__bull | which i guess i need |
| 19:12.00 | mad__bull | iwconfig shows eth0 and wlan0 |
| 19:12.00 | medeman | after |
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| 19:12.11 | medeman | the cursor is from gnome/x |
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| 19:13.14 | isbric | i think /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ is missing, where could i get them? |
| 19:13.57 | Bushmills | isbric: how did you install the running kernel? |
| 19:14.01 | medeman | alright, heres my story how it freezes: http://pastebin.com/winxRCEd |
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| 19:14.22 | mad__bull | hi isbric |
| 19:14.34 | mad__bull | oops |
| 19:14.39 | mad__bull | that was tab complete accident |
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| 19:15.09 | poisonbit | mad__bull, while read module; do modinfo "$module" | grep -e 'depend' | grep -q 'lib80211' && echo $module; done <<< "$( LANG=C lsmod | cut -d ' ' -f 1 | grep -v Module) |
| 19:15.20 | poisonbit | if it is loaded, that will print it (maybe :) |
| 19:15.24 | eptalon | medeman: "disk activity"? (as in swapping)? |
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| 19:15.42 | medeman | what do you mean? |
| 19:16.28 | poisonbit | mad__bull, that print driver that depends on 'lib80211', mine is called 'wl' |
| 19:16.33 | eptalon | If the system "does not have enough memory", it will use "swapspace" (if that's working). |
| 19:16.52 | mad__bull | poisonbit, so that will use modinfo and grep modinfo outptu for drivers depend on lib80211 |
| 19:17.01 | poisonbit | that is |
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| 19:17.20 | medeman | yea, but how can i check this when it freezes? there is only loading activity i think |
| 19:17.25 | isbric | Bushmills: compiled, compressed to uimage, put it on fat :P |
| 19:17.27 | medeman | during boot |
| 19:17.32 | poisonbit | mad__bull, a 30 seconds implementation, do not use at NASA :P |
| 19:17.42 | mad__bull | poisonbit, where is it getting module list from? |
| 19:17.50 | poisonbit | <<< "$( LANG=C lsmod | cut -d ' ' -f 1 | grep -v Module) |
| 19:17.58 | poisonbit | and while read... |
| 19:18.01 | Bushmills | isbric: compiled how? |
| 19:18.04 | ompaul | medeman: got a second box? ssh into it |
| 19:18.09 | mad__bull | oh lismod |
| 19:18.11 | ompaul | if it is still up |
| 19:18.12 | mad__bull | see it |
| 19:18.14 | eptalon | medeman: also check /var/log/syslog, /var/log/messages, /var/log/Xorg.0.log.. |
| 19:18.26 | medeman | i have a macbook... |
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| 19:18.49 | isbric | Bushmills: not entirly sure, is a script provided in a vmware box for building a kernel for armdevices. |
| 19:18.57 | isbric | like the GadgetPC |
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| 19:19.06 | ompaul | medeman: ssh daemon running on one - ssh from the other |
| 19:19.12 | Bushmills | !make-kpkg |
| 19:19.12 | dpkg | well, make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html , man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>. |
| 19:19.21 | Bushmills | or check out make modules |
| 19:19.29 | eptalon | medeman: I cant specifically help with macbooks. |
| 19:19.34 | medeman | well |
| 19:19.37 | medeman | it has a terminal |
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| 19:19.46 | medeman | i mean i have a macbook as a second computer |
| 19:19.58 | ompaul | medeman: have you got ssh on it? |
| 19:20.00 | eptalon | medeman: connect to the "frozen" pc through ssh? |
| 19:20.03 | Bushmills | (and make modules_install) |
| 19:20.09 | medeman | okay i will try |
| 19:20.10 | eptalon | or telnet |
| 19:20.26 | mad__bull | poisonbit, whats the lang=C bit for? |
| 19:20.39 | medeman | first i need the ip from recovery mode... |
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| 19:20.55 | mad__bull | setting env var? |
| 19:20.59 | mad__bull | sorry set lang var? |
| 19:21.55 | isbric | Bushmills: im not sure i get what your pointing out. |
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| 19:22.18 | ompaul | medeman: just be ready the next time - however if it is all dhcp you can ping a few numbers higher and lower than the mac book |
| 19:22.25 | Bushmills | what part is it you don't get? |
| 19:23.09 | isbric | the make commands if for when i compile the kernel? otherwise where would i find the makefiles for that? |
| 19:23.24 | Bushmills | linux kernel source tree |
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| 19:23.28 | mad__bull | poisonbit, quite a few modules pop u |
| 19:23.57 | medeman | how do i connect via ethernet? |
| 19:24.13 | Bushmills | medeman: you plug in network cables |
| 19:24.19 | medeman | yes |
| 19:24.24 | medeman | but it has no connection |
| 19:24.44 | eptalon | as in "ethernet not configured"? |
| 19:24.48 | medeman | yup |
| 19:25.00 | medeman | i thought i configured it already, but maybe i misconfigured |
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| 19:25.24 | isbric | Bushmills: i wouldt know where to start modifying this crosscompiling scripts to get it working. |
| 19:25.27 | medeman | i configured it in some file...and at boot it says something that he wants to connect to it |
| 19:25.29 | Bushmills | medeman: you plug in network cables, then you configure interfaces |
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| 19:26.05 | medeman | how? |
| 19:26.08 | medeman | im a noov |
| 19:26.10 | medeman | *noob |
| 19:26.11 | Bushmills | man interfaces |
| 19:26.17 | isbric | is there posibly any way i could do this from the running kernel with the fs i got? |
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| 19:26.46 | medeman | yea exactly that readme was what i read, but i did wrong |
| 19:27.00 | Bushmills | change to apex of linux source tree, execute make modules modules_install |
| 19:27.02 | isbric | i folowed this dokument, that might give you a glance of what level of understanding i have :P |
| 19:27.05 | isbric | http://www.robotshop.com/content/PDF/gadgetpc-debian-installation-guide-gadgetpc.pdf |
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| 19:28.21 | medeman | i typed in |
| 19:28.24 | medeman | auto eth0 |
| 19:28.29 | medeman | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 19:28.29 | medeman | ther |
| 19:28.30 | Bushmills | if that's successful, you may need depmod .a |
| 19:28.32 | Bushmills | -a |
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| 19:28.39 | medeman | and looks like that didnt work |
| 19:29.02 | Bushmills | medeman: is there a dhcp server in your LAN? |
| 19:29.08 | medeman | of course |
| 19:29.13 | Howie69 | I have a few questions... |
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| 19:29.26 | Bushmills | medeman: try dhclient eht0 |
| 19:29.29 | Bushmills | eth0 ... |
| 19:29.29 | Howie69 | I have several servers...started with etch, then upgraded to lenny |
| 19:29.29 | medeman | the router is the dhcp server |
| 19:29.44 | Howie69 | Both setup with the same softraid array set in raid1 |
| 19:29.56 | Howie69 | both had one of the drives fail |
| 19:30.11 | Howie69 | both times, when I replaced the drive and rebuilt md0, both lost all of data back to 2008 |
| 19:30.12 | eptalon | ? |
| 19:30.35 | Howie69 | (and both downgraded back to etch as well) |
| 19:30.46 | karlpinc | Any way to tell iceweasel to uncompress and display, say, http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz in the browser window? |
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| 19:31.03 | Howie69 | was there a Debian or Kernel issue back in 2008 that prevented drives from synching? |
| 19:31.16 | jhutchins_lt | Hey, howcome kde doesn't prompt me for a root password when I try to add a printer? |
| 19:31.20 | Bushmills | karlpinc: i guess best chance to do so is through mozplugger |
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| 19:31.35 | isbric | Bushmills: depmod -a trows me: WARNING: Couldn't open directory /lib/modules/2.6.30.4: No such file or directory |
| 19:31.55 | dvs | jhutchins: are you part of the lpadmin group? |
| 19:32.03 | Bushmills | isbric: did make modules modules_install execute without error? |
| 19:32.21 | medeman | hmm dhclient eth0 made a ping to my router 192.168.2.1 but +1 errors and 100% packet loss, time 0ms |
| 19:32.40 | Bushmills | dhclient doesn't ping |
| 19:32.46 | karlpinc | Bushmills: That looks like it could be handy. Thanks. |
| 19:32.49 | medeman | it used to work earlier, although i never used that automated configuration, i manually configured it somehow, then making the auto configuration |
| 19:32.49 | isbric | Bushmills: i dont know if the scipts even do that, but no errors what so ever. |
| 19:33.00 | eptalon | medeman: that points to a cable or connector problem. |
| 19:33.25 | eptalon | (100% PL) |
| 19:33.27 | Bushmills | isbric: as result of make modules_install, modules should be copied to /lib/modules/... |
| 19:33.33 | medeman | no eptalon, as i manually configured it somehow it all worked! |
| 19:33.58 | isbric | Bushmills: the problem is the kernel version is 2.6.30.4, but the only path in /lib/modules is 2.6.26-1-versatile |
| 19:34.22 | isbric | and yes the /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-versatile/ is filled with my modules |
| 19:34.31 | isbric | but its not the right version. |
| 19:34.43 | Bushmills | isbric: if that directory has just been created, it seems you're compiling modules from the wrong source |
| 19:35.00 | karlpinc | It looks like squeeze-updates does not have updates to the smartctrl database. Is it ever likely that it will? |
| 19:35.07 | Bushmills | or you have booted the wrong kernel |
| 19:35.11 | medeman | no im a fool the cable wasnt correctly plugged |
| 19:35.19 | medeman | =( |
| 19:35.24 | Bushmills | medeman: i told you :P |
| 19:35.35 | medeman | Bushmills: yea sorry i didnt listen to you |
| 19:35.43 | mad__bull | poisonbit, could it be wl? |
| 19:35.52 | isbric | Bushmills: its supose to be 2.6.30, i tryed the precompiled binarys aswell but with the same problem |
| 19:36.49 | Bushmills | isbric: it is most unlikely that the same kernel sources give you a 2.6.30 kernel, and 2.6.26 modules |
| 19:37.05 | medeman | uhmm how do i connect to the debian pc? default username and passwords for ssh or my username and password? |
| 19:37.30 | isbric | Bushmills: did you look at the pdf i linked? if you look at there boot log you can tell they actualy got the same error as me.. |
| 19:37.39 | mad__bull | Bushmills, was that at me? |
| 19:37.54 | mad__bull | poisonbit, i have wl loaded i'm going to try unloading |
| 19:38.06 | Sose | so what's the correct way to do this? I'm running freshly installed squeeze (6.0.1) but I'd like a newer mumble-server (1.2.3 instead of 1.2.2) from uhh.. testing or unstable repos? |
| 19:38.13 | isbric | and some googeling says i need to do somthing at the first boot/run with eg depmod -a oldkernelversion but i dont fully get that ether :/ |
| 19:38.18 | karlpinc | medeman: Use yours. (What are "default usernames and passwords?) |
| 19:38.24 | mad__bull | ok rmmod |
| 19:38.25 | Bushmills | mad__bull: was what at you? |
| 19:38.37 | mad__bull | the comment about modules and kernels? |
| 19:38.41 | Bushmills | no |
| 19:38.43 | mad__bull | ok |
| 19:38.45 | medeman | whats the command? tell me the debian command for it, its identical to the mac os x one |
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| 19:38.59 | karlpinc | medeman: man ssh |
| 19:39.10 | karlpinc | !tell medeman about grounding |
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| 19:39.39 | karlpinc | medeman: You need some basic info. See the docs. Also, since you seem to be new see below: |
| 19:39.42 | karlpinc | !tell medeman about overview |
| 19:40.13 | medeman | please let me first have a running system! |
| 19:40.33 | karlpinc | medeman: Still no video? |
| 19:40.46 | medeman | what do you mean? |
| 19:41.04 | eptalon | medeman: as in "cursor freeze" |
| 19:41.08 | karlpinc | medeman: Weren't you the one with a blank screen? Never mind. |
| 19:41.34 | _newb | my router doesn't seem to see my portforwarding to my debian/apache2 machine.. is there any tool i could use to troubleshoot why the router is being a dick? |
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| 19:41.38 | medeman | i still am, blank screen with frozen cursor |
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| 19:42.29 | eptalon | medeman: try "CTRL-ALT-F1" (that should give you a text only login window) |
| 19:42.45 | medeman | i tried that earlier, didnt worked, only recovery mode works |
| 19:42.53 | eptalon | oh. |
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| 19:43.15 | nsadmin2 | I have this: |
| 19:43.19 | isbric | Bushmills: oh, and if you did bother opening that pdf, the 2 last pages is of intrest i think. |
| 19:43.38 | nsadmin2 | 04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller [14e4:4727] (rev 01) to which judd says: |
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| 19:44.03 | nsadmin2 | , pciid [14e4:4727] |
| 19:44.05 | judd | [14e4:4727] is 'BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'brcm80211' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4727 http://wiki.debian.org/wl http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
| 19:44.06 | Bushmills | isbric: no, i didn't. as you said, others seem to have the same problem following it, so i concluded it must be flaky |
| 19:44.55 | isbric | Bushmills: ah, :P i cant tell for sure realy, might be the way debian works. |
| 19:45.16 | nsadmin2 | I had this thing working with my currently installed squeeze, and somehow it stopped; I thought I may have overheated it but it workw in windows |
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| 19:46.13 | Bushmills | isbric: you mean, debian not working as that piece of non-debian documentation says? |
| 19:46.23 | nsadmin2 | I do see the device in ifconfig |
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| 19:47.20 | dvs | nsadmin2: What kernel module are you using? |
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| 19:47.40 | nsadmin2 | looking... |
| 19:47.57 | isbric | Bushmills: my poynd being that got a gut feeling that says that document is crap like most of the docs from bipom :/ but with the lack of ant comunity support im hoping its me being new to debian and not the faulty documentation. |
| 19:48.16 | nsadmin2 | the only thing that matches wl is |
| 19:48.52 | nsadmin2 | lib80211 3654 2 lib80211_crypt_tkip,wl |
| 19:48.55 | Bushmills | isbric: have you tried finding appropriate docs on the debian wiki? |
| 19:49.07 | dvs | OK, so it's the wl module |
| 19:49.15 | dvs | That's the one I'd recommend. |
| 19:49.30 | nsadmin2 | ok lets see if scan works |
| 19:49.36 | isbric | Bushmills: not realy :/ i probply shuld |
| 19:50.11 | nsadmin2 | eth1 Failed to read scan data : Invalid argument |
| 19:50.43 | nsadmin2 | would invalid argument indirectly indicate a missing module or something? |
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| 19:52.54 | dvs | nsadmin2: What does "ip route" say? |
| 19:53.04 | dvs | I mean "ip link" sorry. |
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| 19:53.30 | nusi | what is the difference between ip(8) and route(8) |
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| 19:53.43 | _newb | can somebody help me troubleshoot why my router isn't directing traffic on port "4444" to the debian/apache2 web server which is listening on that port? |
| 19:53.49 | Iridos | is there something like the ",cache=writeback" option for kvm/qemu for virtualbox-ose? I seem to be getting the same really horrible writing performance as I did with the kvm defaults |
| 19:54.23 | Iridos | which means it'll take bloody ages to write a few GB until I find out if I can install what I want or not |
| 19:54.51 | nsadmin2 | dvs, dunno if relevent as I'm connected by ethernet cable.... still want to know? |
| 19:55.16 | dvs | nsadmin2: I thought you wanted to connect wirelessly |
| 19:55.34 | nsadmin2 | http://pastebin.com/DMmvzrzJ |
| 19:55.57 | nsadmin2 | I do... but if I let go of the wire I'm not talkin to ya |
| 19:56.13 | dvs | nsadmin2: That's the output of "ip link" ? |
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| 19:56.24 | Iridos | any idea? |
| 19:56.36 | nsadmin2 | well I could go to the desktop |
| 19:56.43 | nsadmin2 | no, ip route |
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| 19:56.59 | dvs | nsadmin2: I made a mistake. I wanted "ip link". |
| 19:57.17 | nsadmin2 | http://pastebin.com/vENsSHy9 |
| 19:57.21 | nsadmin2 | that's it |
| 19:58.03 | dvs | unknown state? That's weird! |
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| 19:58.24 | nsadmin | here, I have my desktop here too |
| 19:58.41 | dvs | nsadmin2: How did you get the wl kernel module? |
| 19:59.06 | nsadmin | I don't actually remember |
| 19:59.31 | nsadmin | it's possible I used m-a, it's also possible it was in the kernel |
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| 20:00.12 | dvs | nsadmin: I'd follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/wl which has worked for me in the past. |
| 20:00.21 | nsadmin | what's not possible is getting a binary from some out-of-debian source |
| 20:00.59 | nsadmin | let me check usr/src/modules |
| 20:01.44 | nsadmin2 | what's in that is broadcom-sta |
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| 20:02.14 | dvs | nsadmin2: That gets the firmware from Broadcom |
| 20:02.28 | nsadmin2 | oh, fwcutter? |
| 20:02.44 | dvs | That's what it used to be called. |
| 20:02.54 | nsadmin2 | so... I must have firmware? |
| 20:03.02 | dvs | nsadmin2: yes |
| 20:03.17 | dvs | Well, you must get firmware in order for it to work. |
| 20:03.28 | nsadmin2 | is this true: "if I can see device in ifconfig -a, I must have firmware" |
| 20:03.41 | dvs | That's what the error message could be by "missing parameter" or whatever. |
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| 20:03.58 | dvs | nsadmin2: no, that's not true. |
| 20:04.08 | nsadmin2 | right, the actual msg is invalid argument |
| 20:04.44 | nsadmin2 | so, that makes it possible the firmware is n't loading |
| 20:04.48 | dvs | yes |
| 20:05.11 | nsadmin2 | what else is possible... I guess the module is loading |
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| 20:05.47 | nsadmin2 | which would make it not possible the problem is module not loaded |
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| 20:05.58 | nsadmin2 | right? |
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| 20:06.26 | dvs | The module can be loaded without the firmware, but the module would not work. |
| 20:07.00 | nsadmin2 | so first the firmware has to be present, then the mod would be loaded, it has to be that order? |
| 20:07.14 | TheWarden | Hi, I need to grant certain users read/write access to /var/www (htdocs). Would it be a good idea to use the existing www-data group or is it better to create a new one? |
| 20:07.16 | nsadmin2 | hold that thought brb |
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| 20:07.54 | TheWarden | by default /var/www is only write accessible by root |
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| 20:08.48 | dvs | TheWarden: the /var/www is write accessible by www-data (and least here it is) |
| 20:09.11 | luist | hey can i distribute gst-plugins-ugly since its in debian main? arent these non-free? |
| 20:09.24 | mentor | TheWarden: There is the web daemon and the people who can access the web root. The question is whether you are happy with them having the same permissions. |
| 20:10.20 | mentor | luist: The copyright holders have no issue with distribution under the licence. The issue is patent claims. I think everyone has given up on the latter though |
| 20:11.09 | TheWarden | mentor: well I did notice that the apache2 daemon is running as www-data. Mmm All I wan to do is grant certain users read/write/execute access to /var/www nothing more so I guess a new group would then be in order. |
| 20:11.37 | mentor | If you want to set permissions for both www-data and another group, you will have to use ACLs |
| 20:12.44 | Bushmills | apache2 running as user and group www-data makes it possible to attribute user privs under www-data to apache2, and group privs of another group to other users |
| 20:13.09 | nsadmin2 | ok back |
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| 20:14.34 | nsadmin2 | ok, so if I load the module first then the firmware, the module would start working? |
| 20:14.56 | dvs | nsadmin2: The module loads the firmware if the firmware is present |
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| 20:15.43 | nsadmin2 | oh, so if the module is loaded and we get this kind of failure, then it's possible the firmware is not present |
| 20:15.49 | dvs | yes |
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| 20:16.18 | Kobaz | how would i force a partition to be marked clean, so i can run resize2fs on it |
| 20:16.20 | nsadmin2 | my /lib/firmware is empty |
| 20:16.26 | dvs | tada! |
| 20:17.04 | nsadmin2 | ok, so since I have that thing in /usr/src/modules |
| 20:17.24 | nsadmin2 | I can try invoking that... make-kpkg modules_image? |
| 20:17.59 | dvs | nsadmin2: That won't make the firmware. That's what broadcom-sta is for. |
| 20:18.00 | nsadmin2 | make-kpkg not installed... |
| 20:18.02 | eptalon | Kobaz: run fsck? |
| 20:18.19 | nsadmin2 | understood; how would I invoke that? |
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| 20:18.52 | dvs | nsadmin2: steps 2 and 3 from http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 20:19.15 | Kobaz | eptalon: yeah well, i screwed up an order of operations, fsck won't fix my problem |
| 20:19.26 | Kobaz | eptalon: i need to resize the partition in order to make fsck happy |
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| 20:19.46 | Kobaz | eptalon: but i can't resise the partition because it's still marked dirty |
| 20:19.50 | DammitJim | what tool do we use for checking harddrive activity? |
| 20:19.53 | eptalon | Kobaz: mount -o remount,resize? |
| 20:20.16 | Kobaz | resize is a mount option? |
| 20:20.28 | DammitJim | io something |
| 20:20.40 | Bushmills | DammitJim: iotop |
| 20:20.47 | DammitJim | ty |
| 20:20.51 | Bushmills | atop should also do |
| 20:21.00 | eptalon | Kobaz: depends on the filesystem type; for xfs it is. |
| 20:21.04 | Kobaz | ext3 |
| 20:21.36 | eptalon | yes, that should work (afaik, you can't damage your fs with it) |
| 20:21.48 | Kobaz | e2fsck The filesystem size (according to the superblock) is 243943000 blocks. The physical size of the device is 243942976 blocks. |
| 20:21.54 | nsadmin2 | Version 5.60.48.36-2+2.6.32-31 of broadcom-sta-modules-2.6.32-5-amd64 already installed, skipping. |
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| 20:22.10 | Kobaz | the superblock has the size 24 blocks bigger than the physical size |
| 20:22.15 | nsadmin2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.29 | Kobaz | remount,resize isn't working |
| 20:22.43 | eptalon | no idea then. |
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| 20:22.48 | dvs | and m-a a-i broadcom-sta? |
| 20:22.58 | nsadmin2 | could it have been placed elsewhere? could this process have been disabled and/or superceeded? |
| 20:23.02 | eptalon | Have ext4 for /boot, pretty much all others are xfs |
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| 20:23.11 | nsadmin2 | did that, that's where the msg came from |
| 20:23.26 | Kobaz | mount -oremount,resize /mnt mount: /mnt not mounted already, or bad option |
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| 20:23.55 | Kobaz | aughh, i guess i'm stuck recopying the data |
| 20:24.03 | nsadmin2 | I'm running it with -f |
| 20:24.07 | eptalon | mount -o resize? |
| 20:24.10 | twisted | hi :) when I try to boot debian from elilo I get after the message booting initrd no output at all |
| 20:24.20 | twisted | it's on a new mac mini |
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| 20:24.43 | eptalon | Kobaz: how much data are we talking about? |
| 20:24.46 | Kobaz | resize is only available with remount option |
| 20:24.48 | Kobaz | eptalon: 56 gigs |
| 20:25.01 | Kobaz | i mean it's not terrible, but it took a while |
| 20:25.25 | nsadmin2 | so broadcom-sta seems to only be the modules and not the firmware |
| 20:25.32 | eptalon | Kobaz: simply -o resize doesn't work? |
| 20:26.10 | eptalon | Kobaz: As I said, I only use ext4 for /boot, which is pretty much fixed size |
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| 20:28.06 | nsadmin2 | aha. modules the instructions say to blacklist are present |
| 20:28.50 | Kobaz | -o resize, nope |
| 20:29.05 | nsadmin2 | brcm80211 |
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| 20:29.21 | Kobaz | EXT3-fs: resize option only available for remount |
| 20:30.06 | dvs | nsadmin2: ...and that's why I followed the wiki from beginning to end. ;-) |
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| 20:30.35 | nsadmin2 | dvs: trying a scan now... |
| 20:30.53 | Kobaz | okay well |
| 20:30.55 | Kobaz | i caved |
| 20:30.58 | Kobaz | mke2fs |
| 20:31.34 | nsadmin2 | still invalid argumemt |
| 20:31.44 | nsadmin2 | let me finish setup |
| 20:31.59 | Kobaz | i guess you can't convert an already made ext3 partition to be a raid mirror so easilt |
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| 20:35.04 | nsadmin2 | brb |
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| 20:37.33 | break3r | hi there |
| 20:37.47 | nusi | Hey man. |
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| 20:38.06 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 20:38.46 | break3r | i am running debian sid/wheezy and i made a full-upgrade yesterday. now my xfce4-menu is totally overfilled, i already found the config file, but i can not delete the "about" and "help" entries. does anyone know how to do that? |
| 20:38.46 | eptalon | are the problems as to mounting removable media in xfce4.6 (sid) known; any hints towards a solution? |
| 20:39.08 | jhutchins_lt | eptalon: Which release? |
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| 20:39.27 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, sid. |
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| 20:40.22 | eptalon | jhutchins_lt: 4.6.2 for "xfce4", 4.8.3-1 for xfce4-panel,... |
| 20:40.30 | eptalon | jhutchins_lt: in sid, as of yesterday |
| 20:42.08 | eptalon | jhutchins_lt: most of it seems to be 4.8.0; xfce4 meta package is 4.6, libs/goodies have own version numbers |
| 20:42.35 | eptalon | or 4.8.1 |
| 20:43.37 | eptalon | doing an update now, hope of fixing version chaos |
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| 20:43.42 | break3r | eptalon: how did you do the upgrade to 4.8.*? when i say full-upgrade aptitude wants to uninstall xfce4 since there are some unmet dependencies |
| 20:44.43 | eptalon | break3r: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade /aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 20:45.24 | break3r | as i said, i am running sid/wheezy, it says something of unmet dependencies |
| 20:45.26 | eptalon | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.58 | jhutchins_lt | The remove gnome factoid is incomplete. |
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| 20:46.46 | nsadmin2 | just rebooted. wl is loaded, the bcm80211 (sp?) is not, /lib/firmware empty, iwlist scan shows invalid argument on eth1 which is the wireless |
| 20:47.36 | eptalon | break3r: classified as grave, reported 1 hr ago |
| 20:47.43 | foetus | is testing atl1c.. should be ok.. proxy too |
| 20:48.35 | break3r | what does that mean, eptalon? |
| 20:48.46 | slara | I have a problem with usb-serial devices |
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| 20:48.50 | jhutchins_lt | !bcm80211 |
| 20:48.54 | slara | the only way to differentiate them is after /dev/ttyUSBx is created |
| 20:49.05 | jhutchins_lt | !brcm80211 |
| 20:49.05 | slara | is there some way to create a symlink after udev symlink is created? |
| 20:49.06 | dpkg | brcm80211 is an open source mac80211 driver released by Broadcom, supporting the <BCM4313>, <BCM43224> and <BCM43225> PCIe 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. Included as a staging driver in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images for x86. Firmware is required (bcm43xx-0.fw, bcm43xx_hdr-0.fw), ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-brcm80211 package to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 |
| 20:49.06 | break3r | i have to wait until that bug is fixed? |
| 20:49.17 | Bushmills | nsadmin2: pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-brcm80211_0.29_all.deb has files for /lib/firmware/brcm |
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| 20:50.03 | nsadmin2 | I do dat... one sec |
| 20:50.05 | eptalon | break3r: that thunar-volman (and probably thunar) is broken in that version |
| 20:50.34 | break3r | but i dont have any problem with thunar!? |
| 20:50.40 | eptalon | break3r: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=623496 |
| 20:50.41 | break3r | my problem is xfce4-menu |
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| 20:51.00 | eptalon | break3r: are you on version 4.6.x, or 4.8.x? |
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| 20:51.11 | eptalon | is talking about 4.8.x |
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| 20:51.24 | break3r | the about box says 4.8.x about xfce4-menu |
| 20:52.22 | eptalon | break3r: and you use thunar, and have no issues with removable media (as in usb sticks, external harddrives and such)? |
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| 20:52.39 | break3r | didnt upgrade those packets |
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| 20:53.05 | eptalon | see.. so your thunar* is 4.6.x |
| 20:53.08 | jhutchins_lt | break3r: A packet is a unit of network transmission. .deb files are packages. |
| 20:53.19 | nsadmin2 | the firmware is installed, remove/inserted wl, tried iwlist scan, invalid arg |
| 20:53.30 | nsadmin2 | and /lib/firmware not empty |
| 20:53.35 | eptalon | jhutchins_lt: ideas? |
| 20:53.40 | break3r | uhm... |
| 20:53.50 | jhutchins_lt | eptalon: Not for sid, sorry. |
| 20:53.56 | nsadmin2 | trying another reboot |
| 20:54.00 | break3r | Thunar 1.2.1 (Xfce 4.8.0) |
| 20:54.07 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin2: Yeah, that's what I'd do. |
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| 20:54.33 | eptalon | jhutchins_lt: in your opinion, will a thunar* 4.6 work with a (rest of the system 4.8.x?) |
| 20:54.53 | break3r | i didnt do anything with removable media... |
| 20:55.00 | jhutchins_lt | eptalon: Sorry, no knowledge. |
| 20:55.17 | jhutchins_lt | eptalon: I haven't really run anything but kde on debian. |
| 20:55.21 | P4C0 | Hello everyone, I have 2 interfaces, both with dhcp, the problem is that I end up with 2 default gateways, is there a way to discard the default gw and dns of one interface? |
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| 20:57.43 | isbric | Bushmills: backtracking the scripts i now figured that the modules is being copied to together with the uimage to the FAT partition. |
| 20:57.52 | jhutchins_lt | !tell P4C0 about override dns |
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| 20:58.51 | P4C0 | jhutchins_lt: but is it possible to do so only with one interface? the main one I do want to take their dns and default gw |
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| 21:07.18 | catsup | P4C0: yes, see the example in the man page |
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| 21:09.04 | P4C0 | catsup: yes, thanks, doing that now .) |
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| 21:11.18 | Iridos | judd, versions virtualbox-ose |
| 21:11.19 | judd | Package virtualbox-ose on i386 -- lenny: 1.6.6-dfsg-3; lenny-backports: 3.2.4-dfsg-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.2.10-dfsg-1; sid: 4.0.4-dfsg-1+b1; wheezy: 4.0.4-dfsg-1+b1 |
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| 21:12.09 | Iridos | hm |
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| 21:17.38 | alfa_y_omega | when was used the historial |
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| 21:21.49 | P4C0 | catsup: hmm but i don't want to supersede it... i want to ignore it... |
| 21:22.06 | P4C0 | catsup: what i want is for dhclient to just get the ip, netmask and broadcast... nothing more |
| 21:22.41 | P4C0 | catsup: my dhclient.conf has this: http://pastebin.com/H5vVaBKY but still it gets the whole stuff for both internfaces :( |
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| 21:24.18 | twobitsprite | P4C0: you should be able to override that stuff in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:24.47 | P4C0 | twobitsprite: "up route del default gw" ? |
| 21:24.55 | break3r | what is going to happen when i install thunar-volman 0.6.0? I read about it then not to accept any usb devices... |
| 21:25.21 | break3r | but can i still mount it via root? |
| 21:25.53 | jhutchins_lt | twobitsprite: dhcp will override the settings in the interfaces file. |
| 21:25.54 | Bushmills | break3r: use usbmount |
| 21:26.14 | Bushmills | break3r: that automounts usb devices regardless of DE or file manager |
| 21:26.14 | jhutchins_lt | P4C0: That message from dpkg should give you enough to go on. |
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| 21:26.39 | break3r | thanks Bushmills |
| 21:27.22 | P4C0 | jhutchins_lt: it didn't, I don't want to overwrite the dns server to somethng else, I want to discard it, for one interface only |
| 21:27.36 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_lt: oh, right... I was thinking of the dhclient.conf file |
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| 21:28.15 | twobitsprite | P4C0: you can't just put "supersede domain-name-servers" and leave it blank? |
| 21:28.19 | jhutchins_lt | P4C0: Right. The message says how and tells you where to go for more info like how to override the route. |
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| 21:28.42 | jhutchins_lt | twobitsprite: I don't think that's the right syntax. |
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| 21:29.02 | P4C0 | twobitsprite, jhutchins_lt trying it now |
| 21:30.04 | jhutchins_lt | twobitsprite: I think you just remove things from the "request" line to disable them. |
| 21:30.17 | wad | So I've figured out how to do a lot of stuff on my debian server (which acts as the gateway for my home LAN), but there are a couple of holes in my knowledge. Right now, for example, I want to fix it so my son can play his XBox Live properly. It seems that the solution is to forward both UDF and TCP traffic to ports 88, 2074, 3074 on 192.168.182.60 (my DHCP assigns this IP to his XBox every time). What's the best way to do this? |
| 21:30.18 | jhutchins_lt | twobitsprite: There's probably a way to configure each interface as well if you check the man page. |
| 21:30.35 | foetus | still can't wait to boot the new kernel |
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| 21:31.02 | P4C0 | jhutchins_lt: that's what i did: http://pastebin.com/H5vVaBKY didn't work |
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| 21:31.02 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 21:32.03 | P4C0 | dpkg says: "Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer. |
| 21:32.04 | dpkg | P4C0: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 21:32.19 | P4C0 | there's no remove in dhclient.conf man page... |
| 21:32.45 | nsadmin2 | wad: it's probable a plain linksys doesn't do those things,,, are you sure the xbox needs those ports? |
| 21:32.48 | eptalon | the thing with xfce 4.8 (media management) really is a bug. |
| 21:33.12 | wad | nsadmin, see http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/677706/tip-open-your-nat-for-a-better-xbox-live/ |
| 21:33.39 | wad | My son is reporting that his friends are complaining about his lagginess. |
| 21:33.52 | wad | Wouldn't want to impact his gaming! ;) |
| 21:34.08 | twobitsprite | gaming is important |
| 21:34.46 | P4C0 | this http://pastebin.com/cyaEVfGW doesn't work either... |
| 21:34.49 | wad | So I just need to figure out how to tell my debian server to pass the packets on to his box. I think I need to mess with the iptables. |
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| 21:35.34 | nsadmin2 | what are you using to establish the masq/NAT? |
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| 21:36.13 | wad | nsadmin, well, this debian box hosts a postfix email server, and apache2 for a bunch of websites, and some other stuff. |
| 21:36.47 | nsadmin2 | so those things are facing the internet directly |
| 21:36.55 | wad | I haven't had to do much at all in terms of NAT. It just takes care of it. It has two network cards in it, one attached to my modem (PPPOE), the other to my LAN. |
| 21:37.40 | nsadmin2 | ok, so without knowing what is doing it it's going to be difficult to alter it |
| 21:38.11 | wad | nsadmin, right now I'm looking through the iptables command, to see how to output the current routing tables. |
| 21:38.28 | nsadmin2 | try -L |
| 21:38.32 | wad | I'd like to learn how to reset the configuration to what it currently is, so if I screw it up, I can fix it. |
| 21:38.57 | nsadmin2 | you have to know what's making it that way |
| 21:39.11 | wad | yeah |
| 21:39.34 | wad | reads his tables |
| 21:39.42 | nsadmin2 | this "not much at all" you did may be releven |
| 21:40.06 | Bushmills | wad, check whether your router is openwrt compatible. some linksys routers are. |
| 21:40.23 | nsadmin2 | his router is the debian box |
| 21:40.28 | wad | I don't use a router. I use a linux box, running debian, with two NICs in it. |
| 21:40.44 | Bushmills | sry. i thought i picked up "linksys" somewhere |
| 21:40.47 | nsadmin2 | that -is- a router :) |
| 21:40.53 | wad | :) |
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| 21:41.22 | nsadmin2 | maybe it's static routes but it's doing the masq thing |
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| 21:41.52 | wad | Okay, here's the output of "iptables -L": http://pastebin.com/MJL946wp |
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| 21:42.30 | nsadmin2 | look in /etc/init.d for scripts that might be setting up your nat |
| 21:42.49 | wad | looks |
| 21:43.31 | wad | Um, I don't think I'm going to look at all those scripts... |
| 21:44.10 | nsadmin2 | that would take me out of the conversation |
| 21:44.31 | wad | nsadmin, there are hundreds of scripts in there. You think it would be a good idea to look at each one? |
| 21:45.03 | wad | Okay, there are 88 scripts in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 21:45.29 | wad | Here's a good command: "iptables -L -t nat" |
| 21:45.29 | nsadmin2 | maybe their filenames would be suggestive of what they do |
| 21:45.51 | Bushmills | if that's the case, their names need to be obfuscated |
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| 21:46.41 | nsadmin2 | oh, I see... so instead of a script called exim4 let's instead call it lk8^e!@ |
| 21:46.54 | slara | Hello everyone :) |
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| 21:47.13 | slara | How can I create a /dev symlink after udev rules are executed?? |
| 21:47.38 | nsadmin2 | symlinks are created by ln |
| 21:47.59 | nsadmin2 | nodes are created with mknod |
| 21:48.28 | slara | nothing else is needed? |
| 21:48.37 | slara | what about /sys fs? |
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| 21:48.51 | nsadmin2 | what is it you want to do exactly? |
| 21:49.09 | nsadmin2 | hold that thought... must get soup |
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| 21:49.46 | slara | jeje, ok |
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| 21:51.56 | Bushmills | right, clearly naming the scripts makes it too easy, somehow |
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| 21:55.26 | catsup | wad: look at /etc/rcS.d, you see the order there? see 40networking? network scripts should be around there. just fyi |
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| 21:55.36 | wad | okay |
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| 21:56.45 | catsup | wad: i haven't seen your whole issue, but fyi, routing tables != iptables, and if you're trying to do NAT, did you remember to enable ip forwarding? |
| 21:56.56 | nsadmin2 | there will be S (for start) and K (for kill), then a 2-digit number to help establish order, then the name of the script |
| 21:58.29 | catsup | wad: ok i saw you have working nat want to forward ports. see http://www.hackorama.com/network/portfwd.shtml |
| 21:58.50 | nsadmin2 | catsup: he wants to forward a coupla ports, otherwise his nat is working |
| 21:58.53 | catsup | although probably there is a firewall package or ten that allow you to do that at a higher level |
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| 21:59.32 | nsadmin2 | the issue (for me anyway) is we don't know how his nat is established at boot |
| 21:59.41 | nsadmin2 | or even whether it is |
| 22:00.02 | catsup | oh |
| 22:00.16 | catsup | i usually put iptables commands in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:00.38 | slara | nsadmin2: I have 3 different devices using the same usb-serial converter |
| 22:00.55 | nsadmin2 | slara: is that good? |
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| 22:01.23 | catsup | trying to find phantom network configuration is a difficult one :p |
| 22:01.27 | slara | it's the same type of converter |
| 22:01.37 | TheWarden | Hi, would anyone know if it is possible to install CakePHP 1.3.8 (latest stable) and then add a repository so that if a newer version came out it could be updated using the Update Manager? |
| 22:01.47 | catsup | there are a lot of hooks for that |
| 22:01.54 | joe6 | when I use iceweasel on debian with hotmail, and I am replying to an email, it does not allow me to enter anything in the text portion of the email. It shows characters as "��������������������������������� |
| 22:01.54 | foetus | end of day - bye |
| 22:01.58 | joe6 | any thoughts, please? |
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| 22:02.18 | jhutchins_lt | joe6: Contact hotmail support. |
| 22:02.31 | catsup | lol |
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| 22:02.42 | nsadmin2 | wad, try grep -r iptables /etc |
| 22:02.44 | catsup | is there hotmail support? |
| 22:03.07 | joe6 | jhutchins_lt, haha.. good one.. |
| 22:03.36 | joe6 | i see this in the error console: Error: Permission denied for <http://live.com> to get property Window.document |
| 22:03.40 | joe6 | Source File: http://gfx3.hotmail.com/mail/15.4.3096.0406/c0a.mozilla.js |
| 22:03.43 | joe6 | Line: 1 |
| 22:03.44 | TheWarden | I want to easily update or remove CakePHP. |
| 22:03.52 | joe6 | could that cause something like that to happen? |
| 22:03.59 | catsup | possibly |
| 22:04.13 | catsup | the javascript error would cause the script to stop running |
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| 22:04.18 | catsup | which could do anything |
| 22:04.27 | slara | nsadmin2: I cant't use udev rules to identify them as they show as the same type of device |
| 22:04.31 | catsup | what is the character encoding on the page? |
| 22:04.51 | catsup | maybe that's wrong |
| 22:05.12 | catsup | slara: udev rules can do anything |
| 22:05.20 | slara | nsadmin2: so I need to identify them afterwards sending serial commands |
| 22:05.32 | catsup | slara: e.g., udev rules can call external programs |
| 22:05.51 | joe6 | catsup, it is unicode utf-8 |
| 22:05.57 | slara | catsup: yes, but can't access device before name creation |
| 22:06.28 | catsup | slara: sure you can. because you can use a symlink for the name. |
| 22:06.45 | nsadmin | that's what slara was originally asking |
| 22:06.52 | nsadmin | how to make a symlink for it |
| 22:06.58 | catsup | oh sorry |
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| 22:07.14 | nsadmin | np, nothing to be sorry about |
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| 22:08.08 | nsadmin | are these three serials always connected each to their same socket? |
| 22:08.29 | catsup | slara: check out /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules for an example of how to do what you want |
| 22:10.17 | slara | nsadmin: they are connected over USB, and the order of connection is random |
| 22:10.29 | slara | nsadmin: udev creates ttyUSBx devices |
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| 22:11.02 | catsup | you just need to write a script that outputs the name you want |
| 22:11.06 | nsadmin2 | and they're randomly different? |
| 22:11.30 | catsup | nsadmin2: they increase sequentially |
| 22:12.02 | nsadmin2 | what if you were to get two additional usb-serial adapters so they would each identify separately |
| 22:12.17 | catsup | nsadmin2: he can just write a script for udev |
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| 22:12.52 | slara | catsup: I could use PROGRAM in udev rules but I can't access ttyUSBx from there |
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| 22:13.17 | catsup | you can't?? |
| 22:13.35 | catsup | pretty sure you can |
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| 22:13.58 | catsup | it's passed to the script as the env var DEVPATH |
| 22:14.28 | slara | http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html#external-naming |
| 22:14.57 | slara | When those programs are being executed, the device node has not yet been created, so acting upon the device in any way is not possible. |
| 22:15.43 | slara | that's from the udev HOWTO... |
| 22:16.22 | catsup | seems like you should be able to use one rule to effect the mknod |
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| 22:16.29 | nsadmin2 | even so, it might have the name that would be used later to make the node |
| 22:16.33 | catsup | and another rule running after it has made the device, to make the symlink |
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| 22:19.01 | eptalon | is there an easy way to force the install of xfce4 4.6.2 (currently testing)? |
| 22:19.12 | nsadmin2 | let's break this down a little more... |
| 22:19.51 | nsadmin2 | slara, so you have serial devices external to your computer? |
| 22:20.11 | slara | catsup: udev rules run sequentially so if I put this rule at the end, ttyUSBx should be created allready?? |
| 22:20.12 | nsadmin2 | I need to build this up in my mind so I can see it all at once |
| 22:20.19 | slara | nsadmin2: yes |
| 22:20.29 | slara | :) |
| 22:20.44 | nsadmin2 | ok, and you have something between your computer and these serial lines? |
| 22:20.54 | slara | I have external 3 devices |
| 22:21.04 | catsup | slara: yes, i believe so, that is how the cdrom symlink rule is able to read the label from the cd to name it |
| 22:21.04 | slara | sorry, 3 external devices |
| 22:21.14 | nsadmin2 | understood.... |
| 22:21.38 | slara | connected to 3 FTDI usb-serial convertes of the same chip |
| 22:22.14 | nsadmin2 | do you have ONE converter to which you connect THREE serials? or do you have THREE converters each of which connects ONE serial line? |
| 22:22.16 | slara | if I connect the usb, udev gets the same information for all the devices |
| 22:23.11 | nsadmin2 | if the latter, that means you're using THREE usb ports on your computer |
| 22:23.14 | slara | three serials each of which connects to a different external serial device |
| 22:23.21 | slara | nsadmin2: yes |
| 22:23.30 | slara | nsadmin2: the latter |
| 22:24.08 | nsadmin2 | so, you have three converters, each connecting to one of three usb ports |
| 22:24.19 | slara | nsadmin2: yes |
| 22:24.57 | nsadmin2 | ok, if that's the case and you don't move them to different ports, then the usb location of each would be constant? |
| 22:25.24 | slara | nsadmin2: No. it depends on the time order |
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| 22:26.04 | slara | nsadmin2: the first device connected will get ttyUSB0 |
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| 22:27.05 | nsadmin2 | the thing is, physically usb has hubs and ports, and those stay constant |
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| 22:28.46 | nsadmin2 | if the udev rule could receive the actual physical location of the port on the usb bus, that could solve your problem (until/unless you change which usb is plugged from which converter) |
| 22:29.47 | nsadmin2 | if this intermediate result is valid, then the question becomes whether and how the udev rule would get the location |
| 22:30.15 | slara | nsadmin2: I could look into parent udev device information if that data is there |
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| 22:31.41 | slara | thanks catsup and nsadmin2. I will try both solutions :) |
| 22:32.05 | nsadmin2 | remember the other solution, |
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| 22:32.55 | nsadmin2 | you would get two converters, different from each other and each different from the one you have, different enough to provide a different usb id |
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| 22:45.17 | GuySoft | hi all, my grub just died, i get this output: http://nopaste.dk/p3158 .. i can't boot in to my system |
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| 22:49.47 | jhutchins_lt | GuySoft: What did you do before you rebooted? |
| 22:50.12 | GuySoft | jhutchins_lt: system upgrade |
| 22:50.24 | GuySoft | jhutchins_lt: reboot, grub died |
| 22:50.31 | jhutchins_lt | GuySoft: from which to what? |
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| 22:50.46 | GuySoft | now each time i try to run grub-install it gives me: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no such disk. |
| 22:50.47 | jhutchins_lt | !tell GuySoft about release notes |
| 22:51.01 | GuySoft | jhutchins_lt: I am using debian sid, its a rollback, |
| 22:51.15 | jhutchins_lt | GuySoft: Uf, nevermind. |
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| 22:54.34 | GuySoft | why would i get?: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no such disk ? |
| 22:55.10 | jsnikeris | Hi all. When I come back to my computer, I'm often disconnected from my ethernet connection. I click to enable it, and it connects right away. Any ideas why it isn't reconnecting automatically? |
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| 22:55.35 | jsnikeris | This is squeeze |
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| 22:56.47 | nsadmin2 | jsnikeris, what about when you boot |
| 22:57.00 | bur4k | anyone knows if it's possible to activate 'sudo' in a chroot, so that users who log into this chroot via ssh can use sudo ???? |
| 22:57.02 | jsnikeris | hmm, let me check |
| 22:57.04 | jsnikeris | brb |
| 22:57.09 | ChibaPet | Hey, all. Can anyone tell me why there isn't a Clozure Common Lisp package for Debian? I'm wondering if there are licensing issues folks know about, or if it's simply the case that no one has done it. |
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| 22:57.40 | sleepster | i have a .deb file. is there a way to install them locally? |
| 22:57.45 | ChibaPet | dpkg -i file |
| 22:57.46 | dpkg | installs file into chibapet's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 22:57.50 | sleepster | I do not have admin privileges |
| 22:58.08 | nsadmin2 | sleepster, dpkg --help |
| 22:58.20 | nsadmin2 | then you can't install it |
| 22:59.38 | nsadmin2 | sleepster what is it you're trying to install? |
| 22:59.44 | sleepster | emacs |
| 22:59.55 | sleepster | I can't use apt-get install emacs22 because it requires sudo |
| 23:00.05 | ChibaPet | Can you ask your admin to install it? |
| 23:00.18 | ChibaPet | And, you want 22, not 23? |
| 23:00.23 | sleepster | I can, but then I have to wait |
| 23:00.24 | nsadmin2 | you could compile it yourself |
| 23:00.29 | sleepster | I don't have g++ |
| 23:00.42 | sleepster | I thought maybe there was a fast way :) otherwise, I just have to wait |
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| 23:00.53 | ChibaPet | How about installing Emacs on the box you're logged into now? |
| 23:00.55 | jsnikeris | Yah, it automatically connected |
| 23:00.59 | ChibaPet | Or are you talking about your desktop? |
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| 23:01.18 | nsadmin2 | he'd have root on his desktop |
| 23:01.25 | ChibaPet | Not necessarily. |
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| 23:02.11 | nsadmin2 | jsnikeris, so it automatically connects on boot but later gets disconnected |
| 23:02.19 | ChibaPet | But if he does, that's my suggestion. Install on desktop and put in a request for an install on the remote system. |
| 23:02.24 | sleepster | well the machine I am on now is my desktop |
| 23:02.32 | sleepster | k thanks |
| 23:02.36 | jsnikeris | nsadmin2: yah. I'm not sure why it disconnects, but I'm willing to live with that if it would reconnect automatically |
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| 23:02.57 | ChibaPet | sleepster, you're talking about installing on a remote machine, yes? |
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| 23:03.54 | ChibaPet | If so, consider http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/TrampMode |
| 23:03.56 | eclipseeee | someone send me number serial of debian? |
| 23:04.08 | ChibaPet | eclipseeee, 6 |
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| 23:04.43 | eclipseeee | [Sanyi],]3n19m4[,_1094kms,__swulf--,_jesse_,_KaszpiR_,_marix,_markb1_,_Maru_,_thalamus,_theradar,abcd82,abchirk_,access_d,acperkins,AcTiVaTe,aculich,adamkex,adan0s,adb,administrador,Adriaan,aef_,aesy,afurlan,afxx,Agiofws,aguitel,ailo,AimHere,aindilis,Aisling,akio,Akuw,Alam_Squeeze,AlertEye,alextreme,alfa_y_omega,allan8904,allisterb,allquixotic someone send me number serial of debian? |
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| 23:05.52 | bur4k | if I want to activate sudo in chroot ...... so do I have to add the users allowed to sudo in group sudo in chroot or in MAIN-Root ???? |
| 23:06.47 | nsadmin2 | sleepster, so yeah, what is your role or relation to the machine you want to install emacs on |
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| 23:10.20 | TheWarden | good night all |
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| 23:11.38 | bur4k | Anyone knows if it's unsecure to add a chroot-user to sudoers of MAIN-root (non-chroot) ?? |
| 23:12.16 | nsadmin2 | bur4k, how would you do that |
| 23:12.57 | bur4k | I just did it. logged in as root in non-chroot. then added the chroot-user to sudoers |
| 23:13.14 | bur4k | notice: the chroot-user has the same uid and name as in non-chroot |
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| 23:13.51 | nsadmin2 | oh, then you added the user from your main install to the main sudoers |
| 23:14.13 | bur4k | yes, but I am logged into chroot |
| 23:14.18 | bur4k | and can't leave it |
| 23:14.31 | bur4k | is there a way to do it better? |
| 23:16.00 | nsadmin2 | one thing, if same uid and main has filesystem access to vol that has files belonging to the chroot user, the user in main and the user of the chroot would have access to those file |
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| 23:17.02 | bur4k | but the sshd is redirectin the main-user to chroot |
| 23:17.38 | nsadmin2 | well I'm not sure yet what you want or how you got into the situation you're in |
| 23:17.49 | fer0x | bur4k: why sudo if chroot i don't get that ... isn't it against the concept of a chroot ? |
| 23:17.54 | nsadmin2 | which sshd? |
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| 23:18.34 | bur4k | fer0x: want to sudo in chroot to e.g. apt-get install |
| 23:18.41 | bur4k | nsadmin2: openssh |
| 23:19.22 | nsadmin2 | so you have a main install and you've created a chroot inside |
| 23:19.32 | bur4k | fer0x: otherwise, to use apt-get I would have to log into main-user and chroot into chroot directory to install |
| 23:19.42 | bur4k | yes @ nsadmin2 |
| 23:19.49 | fer0x | bur4k: i see |
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| 23:20.56 | nsadmin2 | the sshd is the one installed in the main install? |
| 23:21.06 | bur4k | yes, the only one |
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| 23:22.23 | bur4k | I used 'Match user chdata' and |
| 23:22.23 | bur4k | ChrootDirectory /chrootdata/ |
| 23:22.23 | bur4k | to redirect user to chroot |
| 23:22.36 | nsadmin2 | so the chroot does not have a separate IP address |
| 23:22.49 | bur4k | same ip |
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| 23:23.26 | nsadmin2 | so you would then have only one sshd and according to you it |
| 23:23.39 | bur4k | yes |
| 23:23.44 | nsadmin2 | is the sshd on your main install |
| 23:23.49 | bur4k | yes |
| 23:24.25 | nsadmin2 | so when you ssh in, you're sshing into main, not the chroot |
| 23:24.41 | bur4k | yes, but I'm redirected into chroot |
| 23:24.47 | bur4k | and can't leave it |
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| 23:26.21 | bur4k | maybe also important: I named the chroot-users like the main-users because otherwise I got the 'I dont have a name!"@server error |
| 23:26.54 | taliban | someone send number serial of debian |
| 23:27.24 | nsadmin2 | !codenames |
| 23:27.24 | dpkg | Debian release codenames are buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), woody (3.0), sarge (3.1), etch (4.0), lenny (5.0), squeeze (6.0), wheezy (7.0)=Testing and sid=Unstable. "lsb_release -sc" (lsb-release package) will display a Debian system's codename. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives#s-codenames . See <tsc_codenames> for those of the technical support crews. |
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| 23:29.19 | ranix | taliban: 6787049a/6; that is your serial number. it will not be repeated |
| 23:29.33 | nsadmin2 | but those are more like "model numbers"; debian doesn't have serial numbers |
| 23:30.07 | nsadmin2 | you don't need serial number to install it |
| 23:30.41 | nsadmin2 | now, what else do you want? need? |
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| 23:31.06 | taliban | not work |
| 23:31.07 | taliban | =/ |
| 23:31.19 | nsadmin2 | what doesn't work? |
| 23:31.26 | nsadmin2 | what do you want? |
| 23:31.49 | ranix | please enter your serial number for additional assistance so that we can do the needful |
| 23:31.57 | taliban | not not |
| 23:32.12 | taliban | cracks or keygen? |
| 23:32.37 | nsadmin2 | hands all of debian to taliban |
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| 23:32.39 | ranix | please don't pirate free software. It deprives us of nothing really |
| 23:32.56 | nsadmin2 | you don't need crack for it, just use it. |
| 23:33.06 | ranix | it's very unharmful to economy |
| 23:34.16 | tensorpudding | hmm, troll feeding |
| 23:34.18 | taliban | debian fake? |
| 23:34.43 | Bushmills | taliban: you can create your own serial number |
| 23:34.49 | Bushmills | md5sum /etc/inittab is one way |
| 23:34.56 | tensorpudding | try installing it |
| 23:35.02 | taliban | ok |
| 23:35.06 | tensorpudding | when you come to the place that asks for a serial number just call us |
| 23:35.23 | ranix | 735-5608 |
| 23:35.32 | Bushmills | taliban: but don't mention it that i told you |
| 23:35.42 | nsadmin2 | jody... don't lose my numbah |
| 23:36.03 | taliban | contact garotosopa? /query garotosopa |
| 23:36.39 | nsadmin2 | garota de ipanema? |
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| 23:36.58 | ranix | a man, a plan, a canal |
| 23:38.24 | taliban | nonsense |
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| 23:39.57 | Bushmills | taliban: do you know how you set up your system with that self-generated serial number? |
| 23:40.00 | nsadmin2 | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#smallcd |
| 23:40.36 | ricardo6789 | Hi, can I send the same mail to two Debian mailing lists? Will it be considered spam? |
| 23:41.05 | nsadmin2 | ricardo6789: what's your intent |
| 23:41.07 | MrFrood | ricardo6789: depends on what you send |
| 23:41.24 | taliban | Bushmills not |
| 23:41.48 | Bushmills | echo "serial number: $(md5sum /etc/inittab)" >> /etc/issue # would be one way |
| 23:42.33 | taliban | Bushmills ok |
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| 23:44.31 | Iridos | Bushmills, stop helping the taliban |
| 23:44.59 | Bushmills | Iridos: there is nothing wrong with personalising ones own system |
| 23:45.03 | nsadmin2 | brazillian talibah? |
| 23:45.08 | taliban | Iridos whats problen? |
| 23:45.35 | Iridos | Bushmills, but there's everything wrong with helping the taliban... don't you ever watch news? |
| 23:46.30 | taliban | Iridos quiet |
| 23:46.34 | Bushmills | Iridos: i didn't like tal. that's why i support he who bans him |
| 23:46.43 | ricardo6789 | I'm trying to install Debian 6.0 with RAID1 (mirroring HD's) but the disks are too big (2 TB) and near the end of installation the GRUB can't install correct and I cannot start the system. I want to ask help to the enterprise mailing list and the user mailing list. Anyone knows how make RAID1 with a bigs HD's? |
| 23:46.47 | Iridos | eye sea |
| 23:47.20 | Iridos | Bushmills, you're giving into their hands secret cryptographic knowledge, though |
| 23:47.42 | nsadmin2 | they have hands? |
| 23:47.46 | ranix | ricardo6789: using mdraid? |
| 23:48.07 | nsadmin2 | it's hardly secret |
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| 23:48.16 | Bushmills | the morse code, imprinted on a woolen thread, knitted into a sweater? |
| 23:48.45 | Ig0r | Hi boys:)) any one to help me plss? i try to run server and view "Don't run server's as root!!!" |
| 23:49.02 | ricardo6789 | I'm using the standard raid utility (the one that comes with the debian installer), don't know which is it. |
| 23:49.07 | taliban | Iridos is nazist |
| 23:49.41 | nsadmin2 | Ig0r, why do you run it as root? |
| 23:49.43 | Iridos | Bushmills, md5! |
| 23:49.53 | Bushmills | Iridos: worn socks |
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| 23:49.58 | cryptopsy | what's the difference between SSH file transfer protoclol and FTP tunneling thru SSH ? |
| 23:50.07 | Ig0r | nsadmin ircd |
| 23:50.26 | nsadmin2 | so it's suggesting you don't run that as root |
| 23:50.34 | Bushmills | cryptopsy: one is without ftp, the other is with ftp |
| 23:50.48 | Iridos | ricardo6789, use a small /boot at the begin of the disk if you think that disk size is creating problems with grub/booting |
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| 23:51.14 | Iridos | Bushmills, well done :) |
| 23:51.33 | cryptopsy | Bushmills: how? |
| 23:51.34 | spal | how can I push a process to background? |
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| 23:52.01 | Iridos | but actually I don't think you can tunnel ftp though ssh... except if you tunnel a lot more... like for a VPN |
| 23:52.02 | Bushmills | cryptopsy: what is the difference between a crocodile? |
| 23:52.04 | spal | the process is running on foreground right now. I want to push it to background. |
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| 23:52.17 | Iridos | Bushmills, I know it! |
| 23:52.21 | Iridos | Bushmills, it's the teeth! |
| 23:52.24 | cryptopsy | the difference between a crocodile and what? |
| 23:52.37 | Bushmills | wel, just between a crocodile |
| 23:52.50 | ricardo6789 | I created a /boot partition with 256MB, but it still doesn't solve the problem. I'll post the error in pastebin.org |
| 23:52.55 | nsadmin2 | what is 4 letters, crocodile is 9 |
| 23:53.06 | Bushmills | in water it swims, and on land it walks |
| 23:53.33 | Iridos | spal, ctrl-z (stops it, too, though) then type bg <enter> |
| 23:54.12 | Ig0r | nsadmin2 : why? befor i run ircd in root, but i say root login and password for my friend and now i don`t to start this server |
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| 23:55.09 | nsadmin2 | that would be a really good argument for not running ircd as root... then you don't have to give root password to anyone |
| 23:56.00 | Ig0r | aham oks tnx nsadmin2:) |
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| 23:58.24 | ricardo6789 | Error installing debian with RAID1 with 2TB HD's: http://pastebin.com/pj6rn6be |
| 23:58.31 | Iridos | Bushmills, and... |
| 23:58.37 | Iridos | pics of that sweater or it didnt happen |
| 23:59.37 | Bushmills | Iridos: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography .. search for "knit" |
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