| 00:00.35 | abdelkhalak | draeath: great!! then you may be able to help me recover from a mess :) |
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| 00:01.39 | draeath | ... maybe? |
| 00:02.12 | abdelkhalak | draeath: i followed some intructions to make pcmanfm my default filemanager to nautilus |
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| 00:02.41 | draeath | stop there: I know almost 0 about gnome, really |
| 00:02.41 | abdelkhalak | draeath: i want to revert to nautilus |
| 00:02.59 | abdelkhalak | draeath: ok! :) |
| 00:03.06 | Oday | im pretty sure that the latest updates are making Debian stall keyboard and mouse functionality until "Ctrl + alt + tty1,2,3,4..." is pressed |
| 00:03.10 | draeath | That's more a gnome specific question to debian. Probably something gconf-editor might be able to help with? |
| 00:03.13 | Oday | this has happened to me twice no |
| 00:03.15 | Oday | now* |
| 00:03.30 | lapsusbrutus | abdelkhalak, pacman is great.. run nautilus if you need.. |
| 00:03.40 | Nappz | On my debian server the time is offset by like 10-20 secs a day, is this normal? I keep having to do ntpdate. Is there any way for it to autocorrect itself? |
| 00:03.50 | draeath | Nappz: run ntpdate more often? |
| 00:04.01 | draeath | your clock battery may be bad |
| 00:04.12 | draeath | also make sure you run hwclock --systohc after ntpdate, |
| 00:04.16 | abdelkhalak | lapsusbrutus: i made changes to run pcmanfm whenever nautilus is invoked |
| 00:04.17 | draeath | to write it out to the RTC on the board |
| 00:04.30 | Nappz | Alright, thanks |
| 00:04.35 | lapsusbrutus | abdelkhalak: I use terminal 99% of the time, but sometimes when looking for photos thumbs are best.. |
| 00:04.36 | abdelkhalak | lapsusbrutus: i want to revert back to the original settings |
| 00:04.46 | lapsusbrutus | abdelkhalak: jyst open terminal and run nautilus |
| 00:04.58 | draeath | or hit alt-F2, and run it from there |
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| 00:05.43 | abdelkhalak | lapsusbrutus: i made modifications following instructions from a forum, when i type natilus, pcmanfm is invoked insead :( |
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| 00:06.26 | abdelkhalak | lapsusbrutus: i made some backups, but i dont remember where i made those changes |
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| 00:08.00 | lapsusbrutus | hmm would that be fixable in update alternatives config something maybe? |
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| 00:27.56 | ZenWalker | Saved ALSA mixer settings detected; aumix will not touch mixer. ... (warning). |
| 00:28.01 | ZenWalker | what means this? |
| 00:30.07 | ctmjr | it means ALSA mixer settings detected aumix will not touch mixer |
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| 00:34.13 | mns | I upgraded my kernel to 2.6.38-2-686-bigmem and now my Intel PRO/1000 just wont come up anymore. Anyone else experience this ? my intel wireless works just fine ! |
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| 00:39.16 | ion_ | I did compile a small program in c but know I don't know where it is .. |
| 00:39.38 | ion_ | I know was compiled because it didn't have any output.. |
| 00:39.56 | ion_ | but I don't in which directory ... |
| 00:40.17 | mns | ion_: what directory where you in when you compiled the program ? |
| 00:40.57 | lapsusbrutus | ion_: if you know when, you could grep the date? or you could check "history" and find out what dir you stood in when compiling |
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| 00:42.11 | ion_ | mns: I was in the mean one I guess.. |
| 00:42.44 | ion_ | mns: it supposed to go for a directory that I had created but it didn't ... |
| 00:42.59 | lapsusbrutus | ion_: with history you might find the filename too ;) gl |
| 00:44.08 | ion_ | lapsusbrutus: I know the file name that i don't know the right path to execute, because the executable it isn't in the direcotry that I had create... |
| 00:44.31 | mns | ion_: if you were in the main directory then did you do a "ls" in there ? |
| 00:44.50 | lapsusbrutus | ion_: what did you call it? updatedb and locate it.. or find&grep it |
| 00:45.21 | mns | ion_: or as lapsusbrutus suggests do a "history" and see what your gcc command was .. that should have the name of the source file |
| 00:45.56 | mns | ion_: did you also give a name to the executable ? if not, then its just called a.out by default. |
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| 00:46.09 | ion_ | mns: I did I gonna show you .. |
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| 00:46.59 | ion_ | mns: gcc -c /home/emerson/factorial.c |
| 00:47.21 | ion_ | mns: gcc -c /home/emerson/c/factorial.c |
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| 00:47.35 | ion_ | mns: the last one was the right one ..sorry .. |
| 00:48.13 | mns | ion_: then have you looked for a.out ? |
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| 00:49.02 | lapsusbrutus | gn everybody |
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| 00:49.21 | ion_ | mns:yeah but what the extension .0 means ? |
| 00:49.47 | mns | oh hold on a second .. |
| 00:49.47 | ion_ | mns: *.o |
| 00:50.20 | mns | ion_: your command will create a file called factorial.o you need to look for that. |
| 00:50.36 | mns | it will create that in whatever directory you were when you ran the gcc command |
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| 00:51.03 | ion_ | mns: yeah I found it .. |
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| 00:51.29 | mns | ion_: but that's just the object file .. its not your executeable |
| 00:51.59 | ion_ | mns: yeah but how shall I find the exe file ? |
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| 00:53.05 | mns | ion_: now you'll need to link it. you should have just done something like "gcc factorial.c -o factorial" then you'll get a file called "factorial" which will be your executable |
| 00:53.16 | dvs | ion_: I think "gcc factorial.c -o factorial" will give you an executable. |
| 00:53.32 | dvs | mns: copycat! ;-) |
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| 00:54.49 | mns | lol dvs |
| 00:55.20 | mns | its been ages since I've actually had to do a linking step manually lol |
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| 00:55.57 | elkclone | i <3 debian |
| 00:56.07 | mns | all right I'm out of here. I guess can solve the my eth0 issue tomorrow |
| 00:56.16 | mns | laters all |
| 00:56.24 | dvs | o/ |
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| 01:03.17 | mads- | Hi. I am setting up my mysql server to external access. Should I set my bind address to the LAN or WAN IP? I mean, the IP address the computer has or the |
| 01:03.24 | mads- | outside IP |
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| 01:06.36 | classicc | I am using S{peed}EX-B0T v5.7 Get It At http://SpeedBot.up.co.il By Speed & Atom-Bomb |
| 01:07.16 | classicc | ? |
| 01:07.19 | classicc | îéùäå ôä? |
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| 01:15.59 | classicc | hey/? |
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| 01:19.52 | dvs | yay! It worked! |
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| 01:45.00 | Ring0` | Hey. I don't know where to go with this issue. A friend of mine must connect through proxy @ uni campus. I've set my server so SSH listens on port 443 (ssl). First he connects to my machine using putty (he sets proxy in this putty as http), connects using ssh on port 443 and adds dynamic 5111 port. |
| 01:45.13 | Ring0` | He set up proxifier to tunnel applications to 127.0.0.1:5111 |
| 01:45.22 | Ring0` | but only :80 ports runs trought, rest, unusual stacks |
| 01:46.11 | Angstrom_ | How do I make it so that an xmodmap command goes into effect right after I start X? |
| 01:46.19 | Hoxzer | 88888888888888888 |
| 01:46.26 | Angstrom_ | .xinitrc doesn't work |
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| 01:49.21 | Angstrom_ | Bunch of newbs here |
| 01:49.27 | Angstrom_ | I'll figure it out on my own because you suck |
| 01:49.27 | MrFrood | Angstrom_: how are you starting X ? |
| 01:49.29 | Angstrom_ | bye |
| 01:49.32 | Angstrom_ | oh |
| 01:49.45 | Angstrom_ | I'm starting it automatically by having Debian go to the logon screen |
| 01:49.52 | Angstrom_ | I haven't really used linux much for 10 years until 2010 |
| 01:49.55 | Angstrom_ | so I wouldn't know |
| 01:50.15 | MrFrood | ok, xinitrc is for startx |
| 01:50.36 | Angstrom_ | They try to make it more like windows now |
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| 01:51.02 | MrFrood | !xresources |
| 01:51.16 | Angstrom_ | !xresources |
| 01:51.33 | Angstrom_ | what surprises me is that no one here would know the answer top a question other than xinitrc |
| 01:51.35 | MrFrood | try again |
| 01:51.39 | MrFrood | !Xresources |
| 01:51.51 | ctmjr | Angstrom_, so you cannot figure out your issue so you insult those that might be able to help you |
| 01:51.53 | MrFrood | ok no bot help |
| 01:51.54 | Angstrom_ | I remember 15 years ago people would know answers to such questions, it was all college or government users mostly... |
| 01:52.03 | Angstrom_ | I'm not insulting anyone |
| 01:52.09 | Angstrom_ | I'm stating facts |
| 01:52.26 | Angstrom_ | I remember in 1994 I went into EFnet #perl and got good answers |
| 01:52.42 | MrFrood | Angstrom_: copy your xinitrc into an Xresources file (I think) |
| 01:53.03 | ctmjr | <Angstrom_> I'll figure it out on my own because you suck |
| 01:53.35 | Angstrom_ | well I kept asking a question for an hour and no one answered |
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| 01:53.52 | curmudgeon_ | Angstrom: I actually think at least part of the reason that they have made such a change to the interface in 7 is an attempt t drag their market share away from the interface style that FOSS community has been emulating and people feel comfortable with. |
| 01:53.54 | Arrowmaster | Angstrom_: you can put a .desktop file in ~/.config/autostart |
| 01:53.56 | Angstrom_ | that's neat, I saw them on a college computer I was using in 1994 |
| 01:53.59 | Angstrom_ | Xresources |
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| 01:54.29 | MrFrood | Angstrom_: in irc sometimes one needs to give it time |
| 01:55.17 | curmudgeon_ | I think Angstrom's a bit like me. He hasn't got much time left. |
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| 01:56.38 | Arrowmaster | Angstrom_: also if you have a ~/.Xmodmap then `xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap` should be called automatically |
| 01:57.01 | MrFrood | Angstrom_: might be Xsession not Xresoures - Xresoures is for xdefaults I think |
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| 01:57.45 | MrFrood | yeah, either .xsessionrc or .xsession |
| 01:58.01 | Arrowmaster | or .Xsession |
| 01:58.03 | Arrowmaster | all 3 work |
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| 01:59.53 | Arrowmaster | but doing that will prevent the default session manager from starting unless you call it too |
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| 02:01.59 | Angstrom_ | alright |
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| 02:03.22 | kaiyin | why can't i send msg to #vim? |
| 02:04.21 | Angstrom_ | thanks for the help, I remember these files from my college account with th sun workstations, I never knew what they were exactly |
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| 02:05.28 | rudi_s | kaiyin: Check #vim's /topic. |
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| 02:08.58 | Angstrom_ | 21:53 < Arrowmaster> Angstrom_: you can put a .desktop file in ~/.config/autostart |
| 02:09.47 | Angstrom_ | there is no autostart directory, however I made a single file saying xmodmap in it |
| 02:09.53 | Angstrom_ | will it run xmodmap I don't know |
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| 02:10.23 | Arrowmaster | that dir is handled by the session manager and needs to be a .desktop file |
| 02:10.48 | Arrowmaster | you should probably just use ~/.Xmodmap |
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| 02:23.41 | darkbulb | hello |
| 02:24.26 | darkbulb | How can I find out if the hplip driver included in debian 6.01 includes parallel port support |
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| 02:26.42 | Ogmios | darkbulb: did you look here? http://packages.debian.org/stable/hplip |
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| 02:28.47 | darkbulb | looking at it now thanks Ogmios |
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| 02:29.24 | darkbulb | clearly states my needs are supported |
| 02:29.34 | Ogmios | USB, JetDirect (network) and parallel-port devices are supported. |
| 02:29.39 | Ogmios | yeah |
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| 02:53.20 | mzb- | Hi all, I'm having a devil of a time trying to boot a/any Debian install CD on my system |
| 02:53.37 | dvs | :-> |
| 02:53.45 | mzb- | I'm currently trying with debian-6.0.1a-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 02:54.17 | dvs | mzb-: Can your CPU handle 64-bit? |
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| 02:54.32 | mzb- | the machine is a Dell XPS730 with a Q9550 quad-core, 4GB RAM, 4x SATA drives (unplugged), 2x SATA DVD drives (1 unplugged) |
| 02:54.35 | mzb- | dvs yes |
| 02:54.44 | mzb- | it's been running amd64 for _years_ |
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| 02:55.34 | mzb- | it doesn't matter what I do, the boot always b0rks with: |
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| 02:55.55 | mzb- | No system could mount root, tried: |
| 02:56.27 | mzb- | Kernal paneic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(253,32) |
| 02:56.52 | mzb- | (sorry about the typos ... typing blind while I swap inputs on the LCD) |
| 02:57.10 | mzb- | it's driving me nuts |
| 02:57.37 | mzb- | the only solution I can think of now is to zero the mbr on each drive and then try installing with Ubuntu |
| 02:57.55 | mzb- | (Ubuntu currently b0rks trying to load the raid10 array) |
| 02:58.07 | mzb- | once there I could chroot install Debian |
| 02:58.25 | mzb- | does it have to be this hard, or is there something obvious that I'm missing? |
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| 03:02.39 | karlpinc | mzb-: You could run a debian-live cd and use debootstrap. |
| 03:03.13 | karlpinc | mzb-: At what point in the install process do you get this error? |
| 03:04.06 | karlpinc | mzb-: The other thing to check is for "ATA emulation" in the bios, or some such, for the drives. |
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| 03:05.41 | karlpinc | mzb-: Also, check the install guide. You may or may not be able to get help on #debian-boot (irc.debian.orc iirc), that's where the installer people live. They might or might not be happy to hear about your problem. |
| 03:06.43 | karlpinc | mzb-: Finally, there may be a kernel parameter you can set in expert mode. |
| 03:06.52 | karlpinc | !linux-doc |
| 03:06.52 | dpkg | The linux-doc package contains the documenation supplied with the Linux kernel. Look in /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-*/Documentation/. The kernel-parameters.gz file there lists what can be set at boot time. |
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| 03:11.57 | mzb- | karlpinc, the debian-live/debian-netinst _fails_at_boot_ ! |
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| 03:12.08 | mzb- | ie: not possible to install debian |
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| 03:12.33 | mzb- | the chroot install method I mentioned would have course been using debootstrap |
| 03:13.04 | mzb- | and yes, I use expert mode by default, thanks |
| 03:13.11 | mzb- | thanks for the irc link |
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| 03:18.26 | karlpinc | I filled /root with crap. Where can I look to see what (dotfiles) are in a "stock" /root? |
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| 03:25.26 | karlpinc | It seems the answer is in base-files. |
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| 03:31.41 | tsdlxp | hi guys can someone please explain to me difference between unstable testing and experimental |
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| 03:33.43 | casts | yes, the difference is we'll only help you if you use stable or testing, but possibly be slightly less helpful if you use testing |
| 03:34.17 | tsdlxp | casts, i understand i am just trying to get my head around it |
| 03:34.41 | tsdlxp | so testing is more or less okay unstabel is sort of okay and experimental is no go |
| 03:34.50 | tsdlxp | in my kind of words how i understand it |
| 03:34.53 | casts | unstable is not ok, it's unstable! |
| 03:35.03 | jorgp | stable is packages that will not change, testing is what someday will become stable, and sid is unstable |
| 03:35.04 | MrFrood | testing = next stable - unstable=testing for testing - experimental = suicide |
| 03:35.24 | tsdlxp | aha cool |
| 03:35.35 | tsdlxp | okay what i am trying to do is install my nvidia driver nvidia-glx |
| 03:35.38 | casts | so experimental is FUBAR, unstable is SNAFU, and testing is more or less ok |
| 03:35.59 | ZitZ | i don't like it when people misrepresent unstable, too many people pretend that it is always on the verge of breaking, this isn't the case, it is unstable, because it is constantly changing because newer packages are constantly be added to it |
| 03:36.43 | MrFrood | ZitZ: one word ... udev |
| 03:36.55 | jorgp | I ran unstable for a long time, other then a couple of minor package migrations, it ran fine |
| 03:37.04 | tsdlxp | okay this is why i am confused i was goggling and this kind of responds i get so i am bit confused . |
| 03:37.05 | ZitZ | lol, i know what you are talking about, i experienced the problem, but i fixed it in under 30 minutes |
| 03:37.28 | ZitZ | i've had problems that I caused that took me much longer to fix than the 30 minute udev problem |
| 03:37.45 | casts | doesn't have any problems |
| 03:38.11 | casts | ZitZ: you have to appreciate who we're talking to when we say "don't use unstable" |
| 03:38.11 | MrFrood | ZitZ: because you had the required skill level - in general if someone has to ask about sid the normally don't |
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| 03:38.34 | ZitZ | agreed |
| 03:39.22 | ZitZ | but things like the udev problem are rare, (and actually really easy to fix if you choose something like aptosid), and testing is always fine |
| 03:40.06 | casts | testing is not always fine, otherwise it would graduate to stable quickly, instead of taking months :\ |
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| 03:40.12 | tsdlxp | thanks for you help guys and understadning |
| 03:40.45 | ZitZ | the bugs that prevent testing from becoming stable are not normally serious like the udev bug |
| 03:41.03 | tsdlxp | well see i am trying to install nvidia-glx |
| 03:41.09 | tsdlxp | and that is not part of the stabel |
| 03:41.16 | tsdlxp | its just in testing and unstable |
| 03:41.22 | MrFrood | !nvidia |
| 03:41.22 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:41.32 | ZitZ | glx should be in stable too |
| 03:41.33 | jorgp | was the udev bug an upstream issue? |
| 03:41.54 | tsdlxp | ZitZ, its not i tried searching for it |
| 03:42.14 | ZitZ | as far as i understand it, a new /run directory was implemented in udev, but not in all other packages |
| 03:42.17 | MrFrood | !glx |
| 03:42.18 | dpkg | GLX (OpenGL Extension to the X Window System) enables programs wanting to use <OpenGL> to do so, via a window provided by X Window System. http://web.archive.org/web/20080510115750/http://www.sgi.com/products/software/opensource/glx/ |
| 03:42.46 | tsdlxp | MrFrood, may i send u a pm |
| 03:42.59 | ctmjr | tsdlxp, nvidia-glx is not the driver it is for hardware acceleration and yes it is in stable |
| 03:43.08 | ZitZ | nvidia-glx 195.36.31-6 is in stable |
| 03:43.32 | MrFrood | tsdlxp: this is a group help channel |
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| 03:44.18 | tsdlxp | ctmjr, hrm the only thig i see when i ust apt-cache policy nvidia-glx is this |
| 03:44.26 | tsdlxp | 650 http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ testing/non-free i386 Packages |
| 03:44.26 | tsdlxp | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.44 | ZitZ | do you have squeeze in your sources.list? |
| 03:44.48 | tsdlxp | yes |
| 03:45.03 | MrFrood | contrib & non-free ? |
| 03:45.06 | tsdlxp | deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main |
| 03:45.10 | ZitZ | contrib and non-free? |
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| 03:45.19 | ZitZ | you need more than just updates |
| 03:45.20 | MrFrood | ^^^ |
| 03:45.51 | tsdlxp | grr is there a debian link where it tells you what sources u should have or recommended 1 |
| 03:46.01 | jorgp | in my testing vm, looks like 260.19.44-1 is in wheezy/non-free |
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| 03:46.38 | MrFrood | tsdlxp: just add contrib and non-free after main |
| 03:46.46 | ZitZ | tsdlxp: just change it to "stable main contrib non-free" |
| 03:46.52 | ZitZ | yes |
| 03:47.20 | MrFrood | deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free |
| 03:47.35 | tsdlxp | thanks guys will add it now |
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| 03:48.17 | MrFrood | then ... aptiutude update |
| 03:48.26 | tsdlxp | yep |
| 03:48.29 | tsdlxp | doing it now |
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| 03:49.49 | tsdlxp | MrFrood, the link for nvidia u send me do i have to follow it that way the way i seem to get the nvidia to work is jus by installing nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-glx nvidia-xconfig nad nvidia-settings |
| 03:49.54 | tsdlxp | and it seems to work okay |
| 03:50.30 | Arrowmaster | !nvidia-dkms |
| 03:50.34 | Arrowmaster | !nvidia dkms |
| 03:50.34 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>. |
| 03:50.50 | MrFrood | tsdlxp: that was the bot - I normally do it the hard way so I'm not the best person to ask |
| 03:51.10 | tsdlxp | MrFrood, what is the hard way what bot recommended |
| 03:51.17 | MrFrood | (I use the nvidia installer) |
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| 03:51.50 | MrFrood | tsdlxp: do not not do it the way I do unless you have to |
| 03:52.21 | tsdlxp | which way |
| 03:52.27 | tsdlxp | ur way |
| 03:52.58 | MrFrood | using the nivida installer - it's a major pain |
| 03:53.09 | Arrowmaster | and you wont get any help with it from here |
| 03:53.33 | tsdlxp | Arrowmaster, so whioch way do u recommend |
| 03:53.48 | MrFrood | I have a cpu/gpu missmatch which means I hae to do some stupid stuff |
| 03:53.53 | Arrowmaster | the dkms method |
| 03:54.13 | MrFrood | follow the bot's advice |
| 03:54.46 | tsdlxp | ok |
| 03:54.55 | tsdlxp | thanks guys |
| 03:55.28 | Rusty1 | http://smxi.org/ FWIW |
| 03:55.43 | tsdlxp | hopefully last question |
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| 03:56.08 | tsdlxp | in case of kernel update will dkms package recomiple the nvidia kernel as well |
| 03:56.15 | tsdlxp | or how do u guys go about that |
| 03:56.15 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 03:56.20 | ctmjr | tsdlxp, here read this it might clear some things up for you http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 03:56.39 | tsdlxp | ctmjr, i have read that |
| 03:56.50 | tsdlxp | and that is what got me confuesd at first place |
| 03:56.57 | MrFrood | Rusty1: the first rule of smxi & sgfxi is that you do not talk about it or abrotman will cast fire down upon you ;) |
| 03:57.22 | Rusty1 | ducks |
| 03:57.43 | Arrowmaster | that wiki page actually need rewritten |
| 03:57.55 | Arrowmaster | its out of date and gives bad advice now |
| 03:57.56 | tsdlxp | yes |
| 03:58.08 | tsdlxp | that is why i am asking all this questiong |
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| 03:58.42 | tsdlxp | i was follwoing that then i did googling and they say to do it using dkms |
| 03:58.51 | Arrowmaster | all you need to do is run the command that '/msg dpkg nvidia dkms' gives and everything is taken care of |
| 03:59.12 | tsdlxp | thanks mate u all been great help |
| 03:59.41 | Rusty1 | go with the bot's advice, tsdlxp i just threw that out from past |
| 03:59.57 | tsdlxp | k |
| 04:00.01 | tsdlxp | thanks all |
| 04:00.10 | ctmjr | Arrowmaster, what part is bad advice? |
| 04:00.45 | Arrowmaster | using module-assistant is bad advice now compared to dkms for those that dont know how to use it |
| 04:01.09 | MrFrood | ctmjr: the bit about hookers & cocaine & debian devs |
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| 04:02.59 | tsdlxp | lol |
| 04:03.10 | tsdlxp | brb reboot follwod bots advice lol |
| 04:03.46 | roe | My friend is doing a research paper on Open Source Software. I pointed her towards "The Cathedral and the Bazaar". Are there any other books I should suggest? |
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| 04:08.01 | MrFrood | roe: I'd also suggest she take a look at any of the many tracts about Gift Economies |
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| 04:12.22 | LanoX | hey guy me again |
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| 04:13.31 | tsdlxp | i just installed the driver for nvida as per bot recommendation |
| 04:13.36 | tsdlxp | and i can boot in to x at all |
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| 04:14.48 | tsdlxp | Arrowmaster, can u help plz |
| 04:16.09 | MrFrood | did you disable nouveau? |
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| 04:16.56 | tsdlxp | no i didnt bot said to run the aptitude command and then to reboot |
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| 04:20.17 | tsdlxp | MrFrood, it says to restart your system to enable nouveau blacklist |
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| 04:28.30 | MrFrood | :-/ |
| 04:28.48 | tsdlxp | MrFrood, any idea |
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| 04:30.34 | MrFrood | not really other than the symptoms you described are quite often caused by a nouveau/nvida conflicy hence my question |
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| 04:32.31 | tsdlxp | hrm |
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| 04:51.18 | karlpinc | Does the squeeze installer mount partitions noatime by default? |
| 04:51.36 | jorgp | ZitZ: so is udev issue fixed in unstable? |
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| 04:53.47 | ZitZ | yes, it is as far as i know |
| 04:53.55 | ZitZ | i just received another update too |
| 04:55.13 | Kream | I'm trying to monitor a 7-disk system using munin but the disks keep being reassigned randomly every boot from, say, sde to sdg. How do i assign sd[a-g] to particular disks? |
| 04:55.30 | catsup | you don't |
| 04:55.35 | catsup | don't use /dev/sd? names |
| 04:55.42 | Kream | and yes, I know I can do it by using uuids, but there are too many munin plugins that reference sd? |
| 04:55.45 | catsup | use /dev/disk/* |
| 04:55.53 | Kream | see above |
| 04:56.03 | Kream | lemme guess, munin is broken? |
| 04:56.16 | catsup | the munin plugins are broken. the kernel assigns the name without the guarantee that it will be the same between boots |
| 04:56.22 | catsup | that is the new official kernel interface |
| 04:56.57 | catsup | for a long time now too |
| 04:56.59 | Kream | what about udev rules? |
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| 04:57.17 | catsup | the udev rules generate symlinks |
| 04:57.34 | catsup | you are suggesting something that is a very bad idea |
| 04:57.44 | karlpinc | Kream: symlinks that are static and can be used. |
| 04:58.11 | catsup | the sd* block devices should correspond to the mknod arguments in the normal predictable fashion |
| 04:58.18 | Kream | catsup: there are no kernel parameters that i can pass? |
| 04:59.18 | catsup | i cannot say with absolute certainty that there are not, but uh, let's say 90% certainty :p |
| 04:59.22 | Kream | thing is, sometimes my raid cards init in different orders, disks spin up at different times |
| 04:59.35 | Kream | so they get scrambled around |
| 04:59.38 | catsup | ya |
| 04:59.48 | catsup | that's why they made udev |
| 05:00.28 | catsup | you should just patch the munin plugins |
| 05:00.36 | catsup | or, hell, patch the munin output |
| 05:00.37 | darkbulb | I have an hp 2550l color laserjet printer which I am having problems installing in Debian 6.0.1. I tried to go it with the prebuilt debian hplip package which didnt have support for the 2550l. When I removed this package with apt-get and downloaded the hp tarball to compile from source I found out that libcups is missing and isnt available in any linux repo |
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| 05:01.08 | darkbulb | yet cups is working okay - I can access the cups server |
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| 05:02.08 | Kream | fark |
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| 05:02.48 | Kream | i really don't see why having the kernel assign a fixed /dev/sd[a-g] name to a particular device is a bad idea |
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| 05:02.53 | catsup | darkbulb: i think you want the package libcups2-dev ? |
| 05:03.21 | Kream | if its present, I mean |
| 05:03.44 | darkbulb | yes that package seems to be the one ( new to this system ) |
| 05:04.04 | catsup | because there is a long-standing expectation in all software that /dev/hda will always be 3,0 etc. |
| 05:04.15 | catsup | it is considered safe for software to rely on that expectation |
| 05:04.28 | catsup | so who knows what will break if it's broken? |
| 05:04.57 | catsup | maybe nothing, maybe not. i'd also be wary of the issues that would arise when the disks change, when someone else has to administer the server, etc. |
| 05:05.30 | catsup | meanwhile, you could probably filter munin output with a regular expression |
| 05:06.30 | Vutral | uuuuuuuuuuuuuh |
| 05:06.36 | Vutral | HOW CUTE |
| 05:06.37 | Kream | catsup: https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/4/14/56 |
| 05:06.39 | Vutral | CATSOUP! WHAZZUP |
| 05:06.41 | Vutral | :D |
| 05:06.53 | Vutral | are you from mexico? |
| 05:07.09 | Vutral | i recently wondered in how many states of the world you can buy catsup |
| 05:08.58 | catsup | Kream: aha, well, it was the 10% :p |
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| 05:10.16 | tsdlxp | how do i start gdm3 on startup |
| 05:10.29 | tsdlxp | i tried update-rc.d gdm3 defaults |
| 05:10.31 | tsdlxp | it doesnt work |
| 05:10.41 | tsdlxp | please |
| 05:12.30 | simonlnu | try with 'enable' |
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| 05:13.41 | tsdlxp | thanks |
| 05:14.04 | catsup | kream: did you find out whether that patch was accepted? |
| 05:14.08 | simonlnu | did it work? |
| 05:14.14 | simonlnu | thank me if it works ;) |
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| 05:14.56 | kaiyin | in vim, is there a way to move back the last line in history? |
| 05:15.22 | tsdlxp | nop but i just removed it and re-instlaled it |
| 05:15.34 | Kream | catsup: GregKH kicked it between the eyes :) |
| 05:15.43 | Kream | but yeah, he know what he's talking about |
| 05:15.52 | Kream | knows* |
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| 05:16.07 | catsup | what? who knows? |
| 05:16.09 | Kream | that Nishijima guy's got a point though, imo |
| 05:16.17 | Kream | GregKH |
| 05:16.24 | Kream | kroah-hartmann, iirc |
| 05:17.46 | catsup | it does seem a little dirty |
| 05:18.14 | Kream | yeah, if its not in the kernel proper, I'm not using it |
| 05:18.43 | catsup | it would be nice if that feature were there |
| 05:19.15 | catsup | in general it would be nice if udev worked like a 'hook' from the kernel that could determine the real device node |
| 05:19.32 | catsup | but, i guess, if they wanted it that way, it would already be that way |
| 05:20.28 | tsdlxp | can someone please assist me here, for some reason i cant get any pckages from stable repos |
| 05:20.44 | tsdlxp | if i do apt-cache policy nvidia-settings it comes from testing |
| 05:21.03 | ZitZ | well, disable testing |
| 05:21.25 | ZitZ | and make sure you have an entry for just "Squeeze" in addition to "Squeeze-updates" or whatever |
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| 05:21.48 | tsdlxp | ZitZ well if i disable testing then i cant install nvidia-settings |
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| 05:21.58 | tsdlxp | but i am sure from looking that should be part of the stable |
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| 05:22.08 | ZitZ | i'm sure it is in stable |
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| 05:22.25 | tsdlxp | exactly but when i do apt id does not find anything |
| 05:22.48 | tsdlxp | and i have contrib non-free |
| 05:23.15 | ZitZ | do you have the entry for squeeze? not just squeeze-updates? |
| 05:23.36 | tsdlxp | no |
| 05:23.41 | tsdlxp | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:23.44 | tsdlxp | sorry yes i do |
| 05:23.56 | ZitZ | you do, and it has contrib and non-free? |
| 05:24.05 | ZitZ | and you did an apt-get update? |
| 05:24.09 | tsdlxp | i have 2 |
| 05:24.18 | tsdlxp | so one is just squeeze main |
| 05:24.22 | ZitZ | you have squeeze and squeeze-updates |
| 05:24.30 | tsdlxp | anyes |
| 05:24.30 | tsdlxp | yes |
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| 05:24.35 | ZitZ | make the squeeze one have contrib and non-free too |
| 05:24.41 | tsdlxp | okay |
| 05:24.59 | ZitZ | that's the problem, if someone told you just squeeze-updates was fine, they're wrong |
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| 05:25.36 | tsdlxp | well in all honesty that is what came when i installed debian |
| 05:26.13 | ZitZ | by default they would have an entry for just main on squeeze and just main on squeeze updates |
| 05:26.38 | tsdlxp | yes |
| 05:27.21 | tsdlxp | so what i have now is main on squeeze contrib non-free and on updates contrib non-free |
| 05:27.23 | tsdlxp | is that okay |
| 05:27.42 | simonlnu | you also need main there |
| 05:28.05 | tsdlxp | hold on let me recoonect |
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| 05:29.03 | tsdlxp | ZitZ, can i send u my source in pm |
| 05:29.04 | tsdlxp | pl |
| 05:29.08 | tsdlxp | pplease |
| 05:29.10 | simonlnu | !paste |
| 05:29.11 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 05:29.21 | ZitZ | source for what? |
| 05:29.28 | tsdlxp | simonlnu, i know that is why i asked pm |
| 05:29.33 | tsdlxp | my source list |
| 05:29.41 | ZitZ | okay |
| 05:29.47 | ZitZ | but it should work now |
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| 05:29.55 | ZitZ | after an apt-get update |
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| 05:50.38 | curmudgeon_ | With squeeze, you need three: (1) Security updates main, contrib and non-free; (2) Squeeze main, contrib and non-free; (3) Squeeze proposed- updates - main, contrib and non-free. |
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| 05:51.25 | Arrowmaster | you shouldnt be using proposed-updates |
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| 05:52.44 | curmudgeon_ | That's what almost screwed me upgrading from Lenny to squeeze with the 'Volatile' listing still there for a number of updates afterward and no 'Proposed-Updates. Things falling apart woke me up. |
| 05:53.20 | Arrowmaster | volatile is now squeeze-updates |
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| 05:54.12 | curmudgeon_ | Yes, you should, unless the newer proposed squeeze volatile line has been implemented. There was talk of doing so, but I haven't kept track because I've gone to unstable now. |
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| 05:54.53 | curmudgeon_ | Yeah, well in that case, it has been implemented. |
| 05:55.46 | curmudgeon_ | So you still need the three distinct lines in there. Just different nomenclature. |
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| 05:58.45 | Arrowmaster | the majority do not need and should not have proposed-updates |
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| 06:07.49 | treebeen | what are those exactly? |
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| 06:11.37 | curmudgeon_ | It was just a temproray term they employed while they were moving Lenny from Stable to Old Stable. Lenny had a 'Volatile-Updates' line, so they just called it the same thing in Squeeze 'proposed-Updates' during the transition and shortly after. Now that no volatile updates are needed for Lenny, they placed the term into Squeeze's server listings and consequent /etc/apt/sources.list. |
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| 06:16.46 | treebeen | hmm, so what is an example of such an update? |
| 06:19.09 | curmudgeon_ | Well, I wouldn't know now. As I said, I'm running on Unstable now, so I've lost touch with all of that. Whatever 'volatile-updates' were for Lenny, they now are for Squeeze. I suppose it would just be for rush work, high priority. It was just a staging post for me on the way through, so I didn't make a study of it. |
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| 06:20.44 | simonlnu | !squeeze-updates |
| 06:20.44 | dpkg | The Debian <Volatile> archive is discontinued starting from Debian 6.0, replaced by the squeeze-updates suite on official mirrors. Your squeeze sources.list could have "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free". http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110215 http://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <squeeze/updates>, ask me about <security>. |
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| 06:21.50 | gopa | hi |
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| 06:22.06 | treebeen | hmm, Official statement : As mentioned above, packages in stable-proposed-updates aren't yet officially part of Debian Stable and one should not assume is has the same quality and stability (yet!). Those new versions of the packages needs to be reviewed (by the stable release manager) and tested (by some users) before entering stable. |
| 06:22.15 | gopa | having problem while compiling emerald |
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| 06:27.53 | treebeen | hmm, that's a weird repo, sounds like backports but not really |
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| 06:30.37 | curmudgeon_ | dpkg: Just looked further up and saw your post. Got i! |
| 06:30.38 | dpkg | curmudgeon_: are you using Windows? |
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| 06:31.33 | karlpinc | curmudgeon_: Always read the release notes when upgrading to a new stable release. |
| 06:31.35 | curmudgeon_ | No, windows is anathema to me, I'm afraid. Put it down to the frozen thought processes of an old man. |
| 06:31.44 | karlpinc | curmudgeon_: dpkg is a bot. |
| 06:32.16 | karlpinc | !tell curmudgeon_ about dpkgbot |
| 06:33.08 | SPF | is it possible to configure sshd on 2 different ports like eth0:22 eth1:2200 ? |
| 06:33.33 | karlpinc | SPF: man sshd_config |
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| 06:33.46 | karlpinc | SPF: Yes. |
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| 06:34.40 | treebeen | uh, just put two ports into the config, done |
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| 06:35.45 | karlpinc | treebeen: Potentially, if the configs on the ports need to be entirely different, he'd have to run 2 sshd daemons. |
| 06:38.21 | treebeen | karlpinc: hmm, what do you mean entirely different? i have a system with two ports and it works without a problem |
| 06:38.37 | treebeen | port x |
| 06:38.40 | treebeen | port y |
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| 06:39.17 | karlpinc | treebeen: For sure if he wanted to, say, disallow root login on one port/nic and allow it on the other. Perhaps if he wanted sshd to listen on one port on one nic and another port on another, dunno. |
| 06:39.18 | curmudgeon_ | treebeen: http://paste.debian.net/114786/ I've been lazy commenting lines out instead of removing them altogether, but you can see the general course there. |
| 06:39.24 | SPF | guess I'll use my VM to try it out |
| 06:39.48 | catsup | there is a Match directive in sshd for conditional config, that you could use to disallow root login from some IPs and not others |
| 06:39.49 | karlpinc | treebeen: Although there's more flexibility of late I've not paid attention to. He'd have to rtfm. |
| 06:40.02 | catsup | i am not sure that it can match on port though |
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| 06:53.01 | curmudgeon_ | treebeen: so I don't know what the situation is now, but that's the way it was then. |
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| 06:56.34 | treebeen | curmudgeon_: ok, thanks |
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| 06:59.01 | Sw33NY | hi all |
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| 07:02.06 | curmudgeon_ | treebeen: Cheers, mate. later. |
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| 07:05.25 | claint | does debian have a different policy on grub2? I edited the grub.cfg (using grub2) to set the default, but when I ran update-grub, it "fixed" the grub.cfg first and put the old default back in there. |
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| 07:06.31 | catsup | ya |
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| 07:06.55 | catsup | put it in /etc/default/grub |
| 07:07.13 | claint | k, thank you |
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| 07:07.55 | treebeen | catsup: actually for some things you have to edit the files in /etc/grub.d |
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| 07:08.23 | catsup | not to set the default |
| 07:08.29 | claint | yeah, default was there. |
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| 07:24.18 | wacheng | how can I use ppa sources? |
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| 07:24.41 | cafejunkie | is gtk 3.0 broken in sid at the moment? I keep getting unmet dependency errors for anything gnome related (on sid) such as gedit, libgtk, cairo, etc |
| 07:25.03 | foo | I just created a user, gave them a home directory, and I'm mainly giving them SFTP access. I noticed they can still view directories outside of their home via SFTP, any way to prevent this? |
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| 07:26.37 | wacheng | how can I use ppa sources in debian ? |
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| 07:28.42 | tweek_ | foo: i found this in my proftpd.conf: # Use this to jail all users in their homes |
| 07:28.45 | tweek_ | DefaultRoot ~ |
| 07:29.07 | foo | tweek_: ah, I added a system user. I'm not using proftpd (although, that would be super easy) |
| 07:29.15 | jelly-home | wacheng: theoretically, just like any other repository. In practice, don't use binary packages from ppa -- they are built on ubuntu, and meant to work for ubuntu. |
| 07:29.29 | Sw33NY | I compressed a file into several parts with the command 'tar' but how to decompress? |
| 07:30.08 | karlpinc | !tell wacheng about overview |
| 07:30.24 | Arrowmaster | foo: read the sshd_config manpage, it should have info on how to jail sftp |
| 07:30.29 | tweek_ | foo: just curious; which do you use? when i wanted to have an ftp, proftp sorta popped up first |
| 07:30.40 | Arrowmaster | tweek_: sftp is not ftp |
| 07:30.49 | karlpinc | Sw33NY: With the command tar. Enable the non-free repos and install tar-doc and read the info pages. They've lots of examples. |
| 07:30.54 | tweek_ | foo: ah, ok |
| 07:30.55 | foo | Arrowmaster: sweet, thanks |
| 07:31.05 | Sw33NY | ok karlpinc, thanks you :p |
| 07:31.08 | karlpinc | tweek_: vsftpd |
| 07:31.20 | Arrowmaster | !ftp |
| 07:31.20 | dpkg | File Transfer Protocol (FTP) is a method of moving files between systems using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of FTP: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-Unix users). Unencrypted FTP using Unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as running windows on your firewall machine. Ask me about <ftp must die>, <scp>, <sftp>. See also <ftpd>. |
| 07:31.32 | tweek_ | !sftp |
| 07:31.32 | dpkg | i guess sftp is a program that provides FTP-like functionality over an ssh2 tunnel. Linux clients are in the packages openssh-client, filezilla, konqueror, gftp. The server is in the package openssh-server. For Windows clients, ask me about <winscp>, <filezilla>. See also <scp> and <sshfs>. |
| 07:31.45 | Arrowmaster | !ftp must die |
| 07:31.46 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
| 07:31.58 | onosendai | hello, anyone have compiled bitchx under debian ? |
| 07:32.14 | Arrowmaster | onosendai: no use irssi or weechat |
| 07:32.27 | karlpinc | foo: The answer is "don't worry about it". There shouldn't be anything useful to see, execpt perhaps the list of other usernames. |
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| 07:32.49 | karlpinc | !msg the bot |
| 07:32.49 | dpkg | Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . If you're helping people, you can check that you have the right factoid before showing it to others. |
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| 07:33.47 | karlpinc | !tell onosendai about bitchx |
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| 07:38.11 | Sw33NY | karlpinc: i dont find any help, just -M for multiple parts |
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| 07:38.26 | karlpinc | Sw33NY: You typed "info tar"? |
| 07:38.53 | Sw33NY | karlpinc: 'man tar' |
| 07:39.19 | karlpinc | Sw33NY: I told you to read the info pages. |
| 07:39.23 | SPF | karlpinc: I wasn't expecting it to be this simple, thanks |
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| 07:42.18 | sebyte | morning debs. anyone know why dbndns (the debian fork of djbdns) is in lenny, sid and experimental, but not in squeez or wheezy? |
| 07:42.37 | sebyte | squeezE |
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| 07:43.04 | karlpinc | sebyte: No. But the answer's probably in the bug tracking system. (Like there was a release blocking bug that didn't get fixed for squeeze.) |
| 07:43.25 | SPF | dpkg knows sebyte |
| 07:43.25 | dpkg | SPF: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 07:43.31 | karlpinc | SPF: I can't recall what I helped with. But you're welcome. |
| 07:43.44 | SPF | !tell sebyte about djbdns |
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| 07:44.55 | karlpinc | !tell SPF about selftell |
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| 07:45.42 | karlpinc | Sw33NY: But you have to install the info pages. You can also find the same thing online at gnu.org. |
| 07:46.27 | Sw33NY | yes karlpinc |
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| 07:47.54 | SPF | karlpinc: I know what selftell is |
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| 07:48.12 | Sw33NY | karlpinc: i have enter tar -x -v -M -f myfile.taraa but i have 125 tar files, how can i extract all automatically |
| 07:48.17 | Sw33NY | karlpinc: i have read the info pages |
| 07:48.30 | Sw33NY | karlpinc: it's hardly to understand, i'm french |
| 07:49.17 | wathek | casts, I'm running wheezy |
| 07:49.17 | wathek | :p |
| 07:50.08 | karlpinc | Sw33NY: Why do you have 125 tar files? |
| 07:50.28 | casts | just so we know how important this is, is it porn? |
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| 07:50.39 | karlpinc | Sw33NY: Generally -M (IIRC) is for backing up to tape drive-like devices? |
| 07:50.43 | karlpinc | casts: Doesn't matter. |
| 07:51.13 | jelly-home | Sw33NY: if you used split to slice them, just cat all the parts and pipe that to something like tar xvf - |
| 07:51.20 | treebeen | Sw33NY: use find, something like: find -name "*.tar* -exec tar-command {} \; |
| 07:51.32 | treebeen | oh, "*.tar* |
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| 07:51.39 | treebeen | oh, "*.tar" |
| 07:51.50 | coppro | How much work does it take to make a custo metapackage |
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| 07:51.59 | treebeen | man, too early, and beer |
| 07:52.14 | coppro | I had an idea recently of making metapackages so I can easily install all the packages I care about |
| 07:52.21 | karlpinc | jelly-home: Good call. Looks like split output. |
| 07:52.36 | casts | coppro: would it be less work to have a list :) |
| 07:52.42 | karlpinc | coppro: You proably want to look at the solutions in the install guide. |
| 07:52.49 | casts | coppro: dpkg --get-selections style :) |
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| 07:52.58 | jelly-home | coppro: you want to create your own task-like packages? I guess about 5-15 minutes, starting with an equivs-generated one |
| 07:53.11 | karlpinc | !tell Sw33NY about fr |
| 07:53.35 | karlpinc | Sw33NY: Of course you're welcome here too. |
| 07:54.40 | coppro | karlpinc: whereabouts in the install guide is it |
| 07:55.07 | coppro | casts: The problem with lists is they aren't modular if a pcakge on one list is depended on by a package in another |
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| 07:57.26 | casts | that's ok though isn't it, aptitude will work out all that nastyness |
| 07:57.51 | karlpinc | coppro: Nothing there about meta packages, but a lot about installing sets of packages. |
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| 07:57.59 | karlpinc | casts: Makes sense to me. |
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| 07:59.40 | coppro | casts: The problem is if I say "remove list X" and packages in Y depend on some, then either they'll get removed or I'll have to deal with dependency nastiness |
| 07:59.53 | benzaldehyde | I have gnash installed from package manager but then i built a later version from source but when i play a video in the web browser it still says it is the older version. how do i fix this? thanky ou |
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| 08:01.02 | casts | that is an interesting point, i hadn't thought of multiple lists and the interactions |
| 08:01.31 | Sw33NY | karlpinc: I prefer to stay on the english chan but thanks you |
| 08:01.52 | Sw33NY | jelly-home: yeah i have use split |
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| 08:02.33 | Sw33NY | treebeen: i dont know use your command |
| 08:03.28 | treebeen | !find |
| 08:04.27 | NoReflex | hello! I'm trying to improve the performance of my HDDs (I have a raid10 of eight 10k rpm drives) but it's kind of slow. I'm looking for some information on how to achieve this with hdparm (for example i've seen that multcount is 0). Also hdparm - d /dev/sdX says HDIO_GET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 08:05.17 | casts | what speed is kind of slow? |
| 08:05.28 | treebeen | Sw33NY: google some find tutorials... |
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| 08:07.51 | NoReflex | casts, the speed I get from a RAID1 of two 1TB 7200 drives ... |
| 08:08.25 | Sw33NY | ok thanks all |
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| 08:20.26 | nielsle | When I download a word document in epiphany, then it gets opened in libreoffice, and when I press save in libreoffice then the document has changed. The document is created by a javascript link. What can I do to download and save the file as it is? |
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| 08:21.12 | JamezQ | where is this? |
| 08:21.31 | nielsle | The file is in the local intranet at the school where I teach. |
| 08:22.42 | daedaluz | are there any disadvantages to running debian instead of ubuntu on desktop? |
| 08:22.44 | nielsle | But I run in to this problem whenever I download a wordfile. I would like to open the file with a program that did not detect it is a wordfile. Maybe I could open it with a simple python script instead or something. |
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| 08:22.46 | JamezQ | so the document gets opened fine at first, in libreoffice? Then after you save it, in libreoffice, when you reopen it, it is different. How? |
| 08:24.10 | nielsle | Libreoffice makes small changes to Excel documents and word documents. Most of these changes are unimportant, but i would like to be able to save the file without changes. |
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| 08:24.35 | catsup | nielsle: reconfigure your web browser to save the file instead of opening it |
| 08:24.47 | catsup | nielsle: probably, you can just right click on the link, and choose save |
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| 08:25.16 | JamezQ | catsup: I would normally say that, but idk if right click-->save works on javascript created download links |
| 08:25.19 | nielsle | catsup: This does not work well with javascript links in epiphany. I will try some other browsers. |
| 08:25.26 | catsup | oh right |
| 08:25.26 | catsup | ok |
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| 08:26.07 | catsup | well, in that case, what you need to do is change how that mime type is handled, to not open it |
| 08:26.10 | catsup | alternatively |
| 08:26.21 | catsup | you could just copy the temporary file that libreoffice is opening |
| 08:26.30 | catsup | if you just type like ps aux|grep office |
| 08:26.40 | catsup | you will see the filename there, it will probably be like /tmp/asdlkfjdksj.doc or something |
| 08:26.45 | JamezQ | ah thats true |
| 08:26.48 | JamezQ | the tmp file |
| 08:26.53 | nielsle | Nice trick. I like that. Thanks |
| 08:27.18 | JamezQ | nice hack catsup |
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| 08:33.36 | NoReflex | any idea why I would get info (hdparm -i /dev/sdf) from the first drive of a raid array but not for the other 7? AFAIK the fact that the drives are in a mdadm raid should not matter |
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| 08:35.45 | nielsle | JamezQ, catsup: Apparently epiphany saves an unaltered versions of all downloaded files in ~/Downloads. That solves the problem. Thank you both for the hints. |
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| 08:35.59 | NoReflex | the other drives return HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed: No message of desired type; the drives are connected through a Adaptec 1045 HBA |
| 08:37.07 | gnugr | !/msg dpkg mdadm |
| 08:37.13 | gnugr | sorry |
| 08:37.30 | gnugr | !hdparm |
| 08:37.30 | dpkg | i heard hdparm is the HD tuning tool. It's also very dangerous, don't blame us if it makes you lose data. If your IDE drive seems sluggish, you should experiment with hdparm with the following options: unmasked irq (on), I/O support (3, 32bit w/sync), and multcount (16) and using dma (on), or read http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2000/06/29/hdparm.html, or apt-get install hdparm and RTFM :). IDE?? try: hdparm -d1 -m16 -A1 -a64 -u1 -X70 /dev/hda |
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| 08:38.25 | foetus | made iconv -c -f UTF8 -t ISO-8859-15 de-en.txt -o de-en-iso8859_15.txt and enjoys a german-englisch dictionary for bash now |
| 08:38.44 | foetus | :) |
| 08:39.03 | gnugr | !mdadm |
| 08:39.03 | dpkg | mdadm is a tool for administering Linux multi-disk (MD) arrays. Debian mdadm FAQ: http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-mdadm/mdadm.git;a=blob_plain;f=debian/FAQ;hb=HEAD . Linux RAID mdadm FAQ: https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Mdadm-faq . See also <MD>. |
| 08:39.30 | NoReflex | gnugr, I've read that article but it is very old - many of the options mentioned there do not appear anymore |
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| 08:40.19 | teclo- | Hi there, just did a fresh install of Debian on some machine, kdm is installed and running, but I see no GUI login on ctrl-alt-f7 ... perhaps do I have to dpkg-reconfigure something ? |
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| 08:42.47 | gnugr | NoReflex: check your sources.list, you may need diff repos packages |
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| 08:45.14 | NoReflex | gnugr, I'm using squeeze with the default sources - what do you mean by diff repos packages? |
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| 08:52.11 | Seb | 'morning |
| 08:52.40 | ectospasm | this may be an exercise in futility, but is there a way I can construct a command execution call to apt-get or aptitude that will allow me to run it from cron? I keep getting problems with debconf unable to initialize a frontend (using "apt-get -y -q=3 upgrade") |
| 08:53.05 | ectospasm | it seemed to work OK in my old Ubuntu install, but the same command seems to be choking in Debian. |
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| 08:54.08 | daemonkeeper | ectospasm: apt-cron |
| 08:54.19 | ectospasm | daemonkeeper: aha! thank you! |
| 08:55.20 | daemonkeeper | ectospasm: Note it does not include an install template by default, you will find plenty examples for that purpose though |
| 08:55.30 | jelly | ectospasm: doing an unattended upgrade might not be the greatest idea |
| 08:56.08 | jelly | ,info unattended-upgrades |
| 08:56.09 | judd | Package unattended-upgrades (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: automatic installation of security upgrades. Version: 0.62.2; Size: 28.0k; Installed: 280k |
| 08:56.16 | foetus | 's source dir equals an waste disposal site..cleaning |
| 08:56.26 | foetus | :) |
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| 08:56.42 | buharin | hello |
| 08:57.38 | ectospasm | daemonkeeper: apt-cron doesn't seem to exist |
| 08:57.55 | daemonkeeper | Sorry, cron-apt |
| 08:57.57 | buharin | what to use for my desktop debian squeezy or lenny? |
| 08:58.06 | ectospasm | buharin: sqeeze |
| 08:58.10 | daemonkeeper | Use squeeze |
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| 08:58.39 | ectospasm | I don't understand the utility of using lenny over squeeze for new installs. |
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| 08:59.00 | buharin | why no tensting? |
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| 08:59.09 | ectospasm | jelly: thanks, I'll keep that under advisement |
| 08:59.18 | ectospasm | buharin: you didn't ask about testing |
| 08:59.28 | buharin | Wheezy |
| 08:59.31 | ectospasm | !tell buharin about testing |
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| 09:00.19 | buharin | ectospasm, thnks : D I want it |
| 09:00.28 | ectospasm | buharin: then you know what's best for you |
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| 09:00.31 | Sw33NY | tell me, on KDE4 Wheezy, the galetin window doesn't work ? |
| 09:00.58 | jemt | Hi. I need a network monitor that display where data comes from - does that exist ? |
| 09:01.09 | jemt | (e.g. when downloading a file) |
| 09:01.22 | ectospasm | jelly: I expect your warning to be more for testing or unstable folks |
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| 09:04.24 | jemt | Got it - wireshark :) |
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| 09:05.01 | omes | jelly: yeah, wireshark is the one stop shop for that :) |
| 09:05.23 | omes | s/jelly/jemt/ |
| 09:05.29 | Sw33NY | anyone help me ? |
| 09:06.02 | prince_jammys | firebug might have been of use to jemt, depending on task. |
| 09:06.17 | ectospasm | omes: does wireshark do that in real-time? |
| 09:06.29 | darkbulb | I am having trouble getting cups and hplip to see a printer on the parallel port bus. The printer itself can print a test page using its self-test procedure. I have followed the steps in http://hplipopensource.com/node/217 without success |
| 09:06.31 | omes | ectospasm: yes |
| 09:06.40 | ectospasm | I've always used iftop to see which connection is consuming the most bandwidth |
| 09:07.04 | ectospasm | omes: I suppose I only use wireshark on saved pcaps |
| 09:07.29 | omes | ectospasm: it does that too :) |
| 09:07.36 | ectospasm | ...and what if he needs to run wireshark on a remote server that doesn't provide X? tshark is an alternative, but I hate using it |
| 09:07.43 | ectospasm | omes: yes, which is why I said that |
| 09:08.00 | omes | ectospasm: i know... i just wanted to point out that it's not the only thing it does |
| 09:08.25 | omes | ectospasm: you can still use wireshark for that |
| 09:09.31 | gnugr | !ask Sw33NY |
| 09:10.15 | jelly | ectospasm: negative. |
| 09:10.53 | buharin | can anyone tell me if I use aptitude it is better not too use apt ye? |
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| 09:11.26 | jelly | ectospasm: I'd consider automatic upgrades only if I had a procedure in place to and test upgrades on clones of actual systems first |
| 09:11.27 | daemonkeeper | !why aptitude |
| 09:11.28 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Be careful. |
| 09:11.34 | omes | buharin: it is recommended that you use aptitude and not apt. there's nothing wrong with having both installed though |
| 09:12.06 | daemonkeeper | (There is also "why not aptitude" if you're curious) |
| 09:12.15 | JamezQ | !why not aptitude |
| 09:12.15 | dpkg | Many never use the curses frontend but it is still in the binary; aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than apt-get. Its resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results. Many features of aptitude are now in libapt and used by apt-get as well, so the differences between the two have reduced. That said, aptitude is still the best way of to get out of tight spots when running sid; for lenny->squeeze use apt-get. |
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| 09:12.59 | ectospasm | jelly: on critical servers I'd agree. |
| 09:13.25 | ectospasm | jelly: but on my workstations, I like fixing unexpected problems (-; (only partially tongue-in-cheek) |
| 09:13.28 | digdilem_ | *cough*dselect*cough* |
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| 09:14.44 | dxrt | Is there any reason 'getty' processes on a headless server? |
| 09:14.51 | buharin | so can I use both aptitude and apt? |
| 09:14.53 | dxrt | *are running on a headless server |
| 09:15.40 | daemonkeeper | Yes, you can. |
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| 09:16.01 | buharin | daemonkeeper, thnks :P |
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| 09:17.05 | Sw33NY | gnugr: why i don't see 'gelatin window' on my Wheezy KDE ? |
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| 09:19.35 | bencc | I'm creating a system user but it doesn't create the home dir for me: |
| 09:19.37 | bencc | adduser --quiet --system --shell /bin/sh --group --home /var/lib/myserver myserver |
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| 09:20.10 | bencc | man adduser says that the default is to create the home dir unless using --no-create-home |
| 09:20.13 | bencc | what am I missing? |
| 09:21.06 | darkbulb | is the recursive path present |
| 09:22.10 | buharin | guys why my xorg.conf no exist but I got 3D acceleration how to check graphic drivers? |
| 09:22.24 | ShishKabab | I'm suspecting one of my HDD drives has a defect controller since the HDD randomly dissapears for a few seconds to minutes. Is there any way / Linux tool to check for HDD controller defects? |
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| 09:23.46 | bencc | darkbulb: use /var/lib is present |
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| 09:25.15 | ion_ | sorry I know that for guys is a silly question..but |
| 09:25.40 | darkbulb | okay bencc please append --debug to your command |
| 09:25.48 | ion_ | how do I compile a link a C program in a directory that I have created ..? |
| 09:26.07 | darkbulb | first type gcc ion_ |
| 09:26.12 | bencc | darkbulb: ok. maybe the user wasn't removed before and that's why it didn't create it and the folder |
| 09:26.18 | ectospasm | ion_: gcc -o final_executable source.c |
| 09:26.27 | ectospasm | if it's a simple program |
| 09:26.52 | darkbulb | bencc, that would cause it - chesk the directory with ls -lsa |
| 09:27.13 | Sw33NY | buharin: i think, xorg.conf is no mandatory |
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| 09:27.36 | bencc | darkbulb: yes, that was the problem. do I have to use --force --remove when removing the user? |
| 09:27.49 | ion_ | well I did that but didn't work.... |
| 09:27.50 | darkbulb | yes |
| 09:27.52 | buharin | Sw33NY, so :p I wanna check my ati drivers |
| 09:28.00 | daemonkeeper | ion_: If you have a file called configure and/or Makefile and/or CMakelists.txt your source code comes with an automake toolchain. |
| 09:28.10 | daemonkeeper | ion_: Maybe you need to explain a bit more. |
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| 09:29.01 | ion_ | for instance that's what I did: gcc -o /home/emerson/c/factorial.c/ /home/emerson/c/factorial.c |
| 09:29.11 | bencc | darkbulb: have to go. thank you for the help |
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| 09:29.28 | darkbulb | yvw bencc |
| 09:29.29 | daemonkeeper | ion_: -o is the output name, i.e. the resulting binary, /not/ the source file. |
| 09:29.34 | buharin | Kernel driver in use: radeon |
| 09:30.13 | Sw33NY | buharin: apt-get install fglrx-glx fglrx-drivers fglrx-control fglrx-modules-dkms |
| 09:30.40 | Sw33NY | buharin: aticonfig --initial to générate xorg.conf |
| 09:30.44 | levabalkin | hi, there is bug in gdb 7.0.1 from debian 6, the bug is closed with this resolution: fixed in version 7.1, ow can I install 7.1 without changing from stable to testing ? |
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| 09:31.03 | ion_ | daemonkeeper: so which flag I have to use and is it that path correct as well, I mean if I want to put the program in the directory that I've created ? |
| 09:31.25 | Sw33NY | buharin: if you want another explain go to : http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
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| 09:31.27 | daemonkeeper | ion_: cd /home/emerson/c/; gcc -o factorial factorial.c |
| 09:33.22 | daemonkeeper | levabalkin: There could be a backport, if not backport yourself. Ask the bot about ssb. |
| 09:34.02 | levabalkin | daemonkeeper, how do i ask the bot ? :) msg ... ?! |
| 09:34.11 | daemonkeeper | dpkg: tell levabalkin about ssb |
| 09:34.20 | levabalkin | tell levabalkin about ssb |
| 09:34.29 | daemonkeeper | You should already have a windows :) |
| 09:34.31 | daemonkeeper | *window |
| 09:34.33 | levabalkin | dpkg: tell levabalkin about ssb |
| 09:34.51 | levabalkin | well .. |
| 09:34.51 | daemonkeeper | If you want to address the bot yourself use /msg dpkg |
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| 09:35.45 | CloudySunshine | Could someone point me to a binary package for i386 for rsync that can be used on the mini installer cd? |
| 09:36.06 | ion_ | deamonkeeper: always I have to change the path using cd ? |
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| 09:36.25 | ectospasm | !tell levabalkin about ssb |
| 09:36.29 | erAbuelo | buenos dias |
| 09:37.11 | daemonkeeper | ion_: No, eases your life though ;) |
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| 09:38.27 | Sw33NY | for window gelatin in KDE Wheezy, it's "Wobby Window" |
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| 09:39.02 | ion_ | daemonkeeper: yeah is true :) because is done alreay thank you, but I need to know the easy way and the hardest one ..so any other ways ? |
| 09:39.09 | thewanderer1 | jimcooncat: xwininfo; (now you click the window and get the window ID); xprop -id $WINID _NET_WM_PID; |
| 09:39.57 | daemonkeeper | ion_: You could randomly make things more complicated, say wrap it into a "su -c 'command'" |
| 09:40.04 | daemonkeeper | But really, what's your point? |
| 09:41.27 | jimcooncat | thanks thewanderer1. I want to see if I can script nice and xnice -c 3 to reparent a gui app (don't know if that's the right term) |
| 09:42.16 | thewanderer1 | jimcooncat: xnice? not ionice? reparent a program? mad stuff :D |
| 09:42.22 | ion_ | daemonkeeper: well because I changed it to: ~/c$ and how I can changed it back without open another terminal ? :( |
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| 09:42.36 | daemonkeeper | ion_: Use cd again? |
| 09:42.55 | thewanderer1 | ion_: want a handy code snippet that lets you use "bd" command to go back to last directory you were in? |
| 09:43.03 | thewanderer1 | (like "Back" button in a browser) |
| 09:43.12 | daemonkeeper | thewanderer1: cd -? |
| 09:43.33 | thewanderer1 | daemonkeeper: naaa that's too easy! I have a wrapper around popd for it :P |
| 09:44.43 | ion_ | daemonkeeper: I'm stupid...I ought to try it before ask ..thank you man... |
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| 09:46.53 | Oday | Squeeze doesn't come with GCC already installed? |
| 09:46.59 | jimcooncat | thewanderer1, I'm always running something that I wish to make nicer. I googled for "xnice" actually on a whim, and didn't find anything on the first page. ionice -c 3 makes a disk-intensive program only use idle time; a combination of those with trickle makes a process so I can work unimpeded. |
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| 09:47.28 | daemonkeeper | Oday: Depends on your interpretation of "come with". For very most interpretations: no. |
| 09:47.35 | Oday | but why! |
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| 09:47.40 | Oday | it's GCC! |
| 09:47.41 | ion_ | theweaderer1: what's bd? |
| 09:48.14 | thewanderer1 | ion_: an alias: http://paste.debian.net/114792/ |
| 09:48.16 | daemonkeeper | Oday: Because you can eaisly install it yourself? Debian only installs the essential subset you need to start with. |
| 09:48.21 | nkuttler | Oday: for starters, having a compiler is a potential security risk |
| 09:48.50 | ectospasm | where does apt keep its lock files? I keep trying to run unattended-upgrade{s} and it fails because the cache lock can't be acquired. There was an empty file /var/lock/aptitude, but removing it didn't allow unattended-upgrades to run... |
| 09:48.50 | Oday | but nkuttler, if it doesn't have the permission to run (which it doesn't) there is no security risk |
| 09:49.07 | Oday | i don't know, I just think that one of the first things i would do is involve the stallman touch in any distro |
| 09:49.10 | daemonkeeper | Oday: apt-get install gcc and you're done. Why install it, if most systems won't need it anyway? |
| 09:49.15 | nkuttler | Oday: feel free to start your own distro and install all dev tools by default |
| 09:49.16 | Oday | i am doing that |
| 09:49.29 | Oday | this is what i am planning to do, nkuttler |
| 09:49.36 | Oday | there is no distro from Lebanon yet |
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| 09:49.39 | thewanderer1 | jimcooncat: maybe you should employ cgroups for this... there's also and (automatic nice daemon) you could hack around |
| 09:49.53 | daemonkeeper | nkuttler: Even Debian does, if you choose "development system" upon installation. |
| 09:50.20 | jimcooncat | thewanderer1, thanks, I'll check 'em out! |
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| 09:50.31 | nkuttler | daemonkeeper: how is that relevant? |
| 09:50.37 | daemonkeeper | Oday: You would probably better improve lebanese localization of Debian instead of wasting resources to redo work, others already did. |
| 09:50.50 | Oday | i didnt get that |
| 09:50.57 | daemonkeeper | nkuttler: No need to start another Debian fork, just because you want gcc preinstalled. |
| 09:50.58 | Oday | localization of debian? |
| 09:51.01 | Oday | people here barely use Ubuntu |
| 09:51.24 | nkuttler | .oO |
| 09:51.48 | ectospasm | Oday: sounds like you need a strong LUG |
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| 09:51.56 | Oday | we have a very weak one |
| 09:52.01 | Oday | which Armageddon started so.... |
| 09:52.02 | Oday | haha |
| 09:52.26 | ectospasm | well, sounds like you've got a lot of turmoil in that country to begin with |
| 09:52.43 | daemonkeeper | Oday: I am saying why do you want to waste time and effort to get your own Lebanese Linux distribution, if you could use Debian as well, if your only concern is "having gcc pre installed" |
| 09:52.44 | Oday | the political turmoil is always under a roof of itself |
| 09:52.45 | ectospasm | maybe folks have more important things to worry about than which Linux distro or OS they want to use |
| 09:53.10 | Oday | that's not my only concern, daemonkeeper |
| 09:53.21 | daemonkeeper | So, what else? |
| 09:53.43 | Oday | having a distro from lebanon |
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| 09:53.52 | Oday | you see a lot of distros that are redundant |
| 09:54.07 | jelly | !pure blend |
| 09:54.08 | dpkg | A Debian Pure Blend (aka Blend, formerly Custom Debian Distribution) is a subset of Debian configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box. Not to be confused with distributions <based on Debian>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends http://blends.alioth.debian.org/ #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net. |
| 09:54.19 | daemonkeeper | And most of them fail sooner or later because of lack of developers |
| 09:54.31 | ectospasm | daemonkeeper: maybe folks in Lebanon would be warmer towards a Lebanese distro |
| 09:54.49 | Oday | true, but it still is good experience to build one of these things, seeing as though i have no experience with it |
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| 09:55.19 | JamezQ | make sure you make the wallpaper and logo super snazzy. It's important to a new distro |
| 09:55.25 | daemonkeeper | haha |
| 09:55.28 | ectospasm | daemonkeeper: kind of a "because it's (not) there" |
| 09:55.40 | Oday | it won't be aimed at people who are attracted to shiny things |
| 09:56.01 | Oday | it's aimed at developer friends who still cower behind the comfort that windows provides |
| 09:56.04 | daemonkeeper | ectospasm: Sounds ridiculous to me, since the same people will happily accept MacOS X and/or Windows. |
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| 09:56.22 | Oday | it's a mindset, really |
| 09:56.32 | Oday | not about favouring Linux over something else |
| 09:56.36 | ectospasm | daemonkeeper: you downplay nationalism. |
| 09:57.13 | ectospasm | daemonkeeper: I agree with you on technical grounds, why reinvent the wheel? |
| 09:57.32 | Oday | if everybody thought that way, we wouldn't have half the distros we have today |
| 09:57.34 | ectospasm | daemonkeeper: if Oday wants to use it as a learning exercise (perhaps in futility), let him at it. |
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| 09:57.40 | Oday | it's not reinventing the wheel |
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| 09:58.31 | JamezQ | why not use LFS :) |
| 09:58.34 | daemonkeeper | ectospasm: I won't and can't prevent it. I am just saying investing the effort in localization to improve Lebanese (or whichever non-English) usability would be more sensible. |
| 09:58.38 | JamezQ | thats a real learning experiance |
| 09:58.44 | Oday | what is LFS? |
| 09:58.51 | daemonkeeper | Linux from Scratch |
| 09:59.05 | daemonkeeper | !linux from scratch |
| 09:59.06 | dpkg | linux from scratch is probably uber cool, http://www.linuxfromscratch.org, or #lfs-support at irc.linuxfromscratch.org |
| 09:59.18 | JamezQ | Linux From Scratch, it's not a distro, but a guide to making your own |
| 09:59.24 | ectospasm | daemonkeeper: yes, but if he could tailor an ISO to use Lebanese by default, he could get more Lebanese to use it probably. |
| 09:59.25 | JamezQ | totally from scratch. |
| 09:59.28 | Oday | you can't really tell people about something if you don't understand what it is, daemonkeeper |
| 09:59.46 | ectospasm | I tried LFS once. It didn't work. So I used Gentoo. That worked flawlessly. |
| 09:59.59 | ectospasm | I frickin' *HATE* Gentoo now after five or so years of using it. |
| 10:00.00 | daemonkeeper | ectospasm: Still no need to run your own distro, as jelly pointed out Debian Pure Blends. |
| 10:00.03 | Oday | and right now i dont understand what linux really is and how it differs from Windows or any other OS, so the way im going to talk about it will not appeal to developers that know what *things* are |
| 10:00.29 | Oday | my only argument would be "it's secure! it's open source!" |
| 10:00.44 | Oday | these things don't have any concrete value to the people who know what they are using |
| 10:00.53 | daemonkeeper | Its not more or less secure than Windows. People making their systems secure, not systems. |
| 10:00.57 | ectospasm | Oday: administration is vastly different (superior) to Windows. |
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| 10:01.09 | Oday | i've seen a lot of seminars happening at my Uni, and they all start with "There are no viruses" |
| 10:01.16 | daemonkeeper | Which is wrong. |
| 10:01.19 | JamezQ | well, you have to understand unix as well and how the system internally work. |
| 10:01.28 | Oday | yes JamezQ |
| 10:01.32 | daemonkeeper | The first computer viruses ever appeared where based on Unix. |
| 10:01.37 | thewanderer1 | Oday: you should probably invite some talks over |
| 10:01.38 | ectospasm | there are no viruses *in the wild* would be a better clarification. |
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| 10:01.43 | ectospasm | ...not that there couldn't be |
| 10:01.51 | daemonkeeper | Right, but root kits are. |
| 10:02.07 | Arrowmaster | i was about to say 'there are no worms' but then i remembered there was one that spread between http servers |
| 10:02.08 | thewanderer1 | ^ true that, my OpenSUSE mail server got owned |
| 10:02.16 | daemonkeeper | The fact no Linux viruses are spread in the wild is just because no one cares about Linux(tm). |
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| 10:02.21 | daemonkeeper | Not because it is secure. |
| 10:02.36 | Oday | i said that at a seminar, that they just havent been written yet |
| 10:02.42 | thewanderer1 | hmm could we possibly move it to #debian-offtopic? |
| 10:02.45 | JamezQ | A system can be "more" secure then another, although the user is most important.. |
| 10:02.48 | Arrowmaster | they have been written |
| 10:02.51 | JamezQ | I mean, look at openbsd. |
| 10:02.52 | daemonkeeper | Oday: Which is wrong again, but yes thewanderer1 is right. |
| 10:02.54 | Oday | but that's not completely true, because everybody knows that the core of any company is in its linux servers |
| 10:03.22 | Oday | sure |
| 10:03.34 | ectospasm | daemonkeeper: no, it's because viruses must be MUCH smarter to spread to as many machines as your average Windows virus |
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| 10:03.51 | Arrowmaster | but then again what most people think of when they think of a 'virus' is actually whats called a 'worm' and tend to only be focused on maximum casualties which means windows |
| 10:04.22 | ectospasm | each distro, meta-distro, or flavor of Linux can potentially be totally different, meaning more effort on the part of the virus authors. |
| 10:05.02 | poisonbit | opensource... what today is secure, tomorrow may has security bugs unpatched. Security is a practice |
| 10:05.14 | poisonbit | linux is secure it's buzz, like "cloud/beta-tech/etc is the solution" (just if you do not know about nothing and have a twitter account) |
| 10:05.26 | ectospasm | thus you could have a virus that affects certain applications at certain patch level (the exim4 worm), but none that propagate across all instances of the OS |
| 10:05.46 | thewanderer1 | poisonbit, ectospasm, Arrowmaster â #debian-offtopic alright? |
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| 10:06.00 | Arrowmaster | or i could just goto sleep |
| 10:06.12 | daemonkeeper | ectospasm: Wrong, 95% (or so) of all machines run Windows. Its a pure statistical property you would target Windows if your concern is to see your code spread. If you look into root kits and scanner you will see /a lot/ of traffic destined to Linux systems. However we should really stop here. |
| 10:06.27 | ectospasm | daemonkeeper: I was gonna say that. Let's move this oT |
| 10:06.40 | poisonbit | good morning thewanderer1, don't worry more for me, just commenting what I saw |
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| 10:07.45 | buharin | someone heard about ati dell 1555 problem? |
| 10:08.49 | ion_ | buharin: what's that ? |
| 10:08.52 | poisonbit | http://www.google.com/search?q=linux++ati+dell+1555 -> 271,000 results (0.19 seconds) first of them with the keyword "problem" in the title |
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| 10:10.47 | buharin | ion_, it works so noisy cuz open video drivers got bug |
| 10:11.06 | buharin | ion_, and close won't work |
| 10:12.38 | ion_ | buharim: is it fixed ? |
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| 10:12.42 | poisonbit | sorry I don't know about a fast solution to your problem (maybe using a generic driver without 3D, like vesa) but Debian people use to say "file a bug report" |
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| 10:13.13 | poisonbit | s/file/fill/ |
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| 10:14.11 | buharin | I use vesa right now |
| 10:14.19 | buharin | but it is still noisy |
| 10:14.31 | buharin | however it works like a charm with ubuntu |
| 10:14.55 | poisonbit | then maybe about driver versions |
| 10:15.09 | poisonbit | driver+kernel+xorg versions, or wathever |
| 10:15.15 | poisonbit | which debian version do you use ? |
| 10:15.28 | poisonbit | if you're on stable, maybe you can jump to testing for desktop |
| 10:15.49 | poisonbit | it use to be convenient with relatively new hardware |
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| 10:16.59 | babilen | Oday: ,versions udev --release wheezy |
| 10:17.10 | babilen | ENICK :) |
| 10:17.14 | babilen | ,versions udev |
| 10:17.18 | judd | Package udev on i386 -- lenny-security: 0.125-7+lenny1; lenny: 0.125-7+lenny3; squeeze: 164-3; sid: 167-3; wheezy: 167-3 |
| 10:21.42 | buharin | how to remove fglrx |
| 10:22.00 | Sw33NY | buharin: apt-get remove fglrx ? |
| 10:22.08 | buharin | won't work |
| 10:23.27 | babilen | buharin: Show us â http://paste.debian.net |
| 10:23.32 | babilen | !tell buharin -about bat |
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| 10:24.19 | babilen | buharin: Add "aptitude search ~i~nfglrx" in the mix too |
| 10:24.38 | poisonbit | or something like: aptitude purge "$(dpkg -l | awk '/fglrx/{print $2}')" |
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| 10:25.48 | babilen | poisonbit: That would be "aptitude purge ~nfglrx" -- but you don't want to purge packages that are not installed. |
| 10:27.29 | babilen | poisonbit: Or well, not exactly ... you still get some removed packages though. Anyway, lets wait for the paste to see what the actual problem is. |
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| 10:27.39 | poisonbit | my command does not purge packages that are not in dpkg -l, anyway if they are in rc status instead of ii, doesn't hurt to purge them |
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| 10:27.54 | babilen | poisonbit: yes, hence my correction :) |
| 10:27.59 | ppalmes | is dist-upgrading to squeeze from lenny.... |
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| 10:28.33 | babilen | ppalmes: I hope that you are following the release notes ... |
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| 10:30.10 | buharin | looks like it is working but catalyst won't up |
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| 10:31.07 | poisonbit | buharin, just discovered that dell 1555 uses ati HD 4xxx and 3xxx and in squeeze fglrx seems to be for r6xxx and r7xxx looking at package descriptions |
| 10:31.10 | buharin | Identifier "aticonfig-Device[0]-0" |
| 10:31.10 | buharin | Driver "fglrx" |
| 10:31.10 | buharin | BusID "PCI:1:0:0" |
| 10:31.20 | babilen | buharin: So, the removal worked but the X server is not coming up? Do you get errors? Are you using the "radeon" driver now? Do you have the firmware installed? |
| 10:31.39 | buharin | babilen, now it is working but not at all :D |
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| 10:32.21 | babilen | buharin: I don't follow. Did you remove fglrx? -- Please be more specific and *paste* applicable log (such as /var/log/Xorg.0.log) to http://paste.debian.net |
| 10:32.44 | babilen | buharin: What are you doing? What have you done and, most importantly, what are you trying to achieve? |
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| 10:33.36 | grandie | have two Squeeze systems on two different drives on the same computer, would like to upgrade one to testing what is the best approach? |
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| 10:34.41 | grandie | just changing the source lists and upgrading or do I need to do a distro-upgrade? |
| 10:35.06 | Iridos | babilen, nuffin, nuffin and enlightment |
| 10:35.09 | babilen | grandie: Yes, you most likely do |
| 10:35.10 | Iridos | oh... didn't ask me |
| 10:35.16 | zophy | i'd do a new install to avoid artifacts |
| 10:35.45 | zophy | is there a debian provided c# mode for emacs ? |
| 10:35.47 | buharin | here is it http://pastebin.com/xG7Ky56j |
| 10:36.05 | grandie | babilen: the distro-upgrade you mean? |
| 10:36.18 | Iridos | grandie, what'S a "distro-upgrade" |
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| 10:36.55 | zophy | apt-get distro-upgrade |
| 10:36.59 | zophy | i'd do a new install to avoid artifacts |
| 10:37.18 | zophy | net install |
| 10:37.20 | zophy | eh |
| 10:37.38 | babilen | grandie: Yes, because it is likely that packages have to be removed in order for the upgrade to be complete |
| 10:38.18 | Iridos | there are no installers for testing, so what are you talking about |
| 10:38.19 | zophy | dist-upgrade |
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| 10:38.23 | grandie | thanks to all that have answered my question! |
| 10:38.36 | buharin | babilen, trying to use fglrx |
| 10:38.57 | grandie | however it brings me to another question about grub, do we have time for that one? |
| 10:39.32 | babilen | buharin: So: How did you install fglrx? I see that you used aticonfig to configure it, could you try with a minimal config in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ -- mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf" -- Also: Is "acpid" installed and running? |
| 10:39.53 | Iridos | oh... he meant aptitude dist-upgrade? But that's not really any different from "just changing the source lists and upgrading" |
| 10:39.58 | babilen | buharin: (remove/move /etc/X11/xorg.conf) |
| 10:40.27 | Iridos | the only difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade is that you allow apt to remove packages as needed or install extra-packages |
| 10:40.51 | babilen | grandie: Please read the aptitude manpage about "safe-upgrade" and "full-upgrade" to understand the difference between those two. |
| 10:42.04 | buharin | babilen, I haven't any basic configuration |
| 10:42.18 | babilen | buharin: Please elaborate |
| 10:42.56 | babilen | buharin: I asked you a couple of questions, please answer all of them :) |
| 10:43.44 | grandie | babilen: thanks, I had a problem earlier where I lost video and did not want to experience that issue again. |
| 10:44.46 | babilen | grandie: Running wheezy is most likely a little bumpy these days though. I wouldn't necessarily do it :) |
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| 10:44.55 | buharin | babilen, so first in dmesg I can see that ACPI is doing smth, and second problem is like that fglrxinfo[2386]: segfault at 4 ip 00007fc982400e2e sp 00007fff530b2320 error 4 in libGL.so.1.2[7fc98239e000+c0000] |
| 10:45.21 | buharin | babilen, segmentation fault :O fglrx bugged :O |
| 10:45.50 | babilen | buharin: How did you install fglrx? Is "acpid" installed and running? What happens if you use a minimal config file as outlined above? |
| 10:46.08 | babilen | buharin: Furthermore: Which Debian version is this? |
| 10:47.08 | buharin | babilen, http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian | acpid installed |
| 10:47.44 | grandie | babilen: I understand, I had Wheezy or testing running and had to update a large load of packages under aptitude and that's when I lost my video and would like to avoid that happening again. |
| 10:48.00 | buharin | babilen, when I installed first time minimal config won't work so I updated it, then I go to vesa driver then update Xorg for testing then I made aticonfig and here I am |
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| 10:49.16 | babilen | buharin: So you mixed releases and use the ATI .sh driver installer? I have to tell you that I can't support that :) |
| 10:49.27 | babilen | !ati |
| 10:49.27 | dpkg | To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
| 10:49.45 | babilen | !fglrx |
| 10:49.46 | dpkg | fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>, <fglrx pre-built> or see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 10:50.03 | buharin | babilen, no I removed ati |
| 10:50.15 | buharin | and installed fglrx |
| 10:50.19 | babilen | buharin: How? |
| 10:50.32 | buharin | babilen, by this sudo apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 10:50.55 | buharin | babilen, fglrx is working but no catalyst : ( |
| 10:51.02 | buharin | maybe reinstall? |
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| 10:51.31 | babilen | buharin: You are still using the driver downloaded from ati.com -- Please also pay attention to the " As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> drivers for device support. |
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| 10:52.24 | buharin | babilen, there is radeon bug for dell 1555 and it is too noisy |
| 10:52.53 | babilen | buharin: Can you give me the bug number please? |
| 10:53.41 | buharin | babilen, ye ye big bug right there http://debian.linux.pl/threads/17428-Wiatrak-nie-przestaje-pracowaÄ-Laptop-Dell-Studio-1555 |
| 10:55.10 | babilen | buharin: No I mean the bug in Debian's bug tracker http://bugs.debian.org |
| 10:55.22 | babilen | buharin: My Polish is a little rusty |
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| 10:56.10 | babilen | buharin: Could you please run "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" and give me the output? |
| 10:56.44 | buharin | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc M92 [Mobility Radeon HD 4500/5100 Series] [1002:9553] |
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| 10:59.03 | buharin | babilen, I think it is big bug |
| 10:59.25 | babilen | buharin: Ok, I don't have much more time for this. I would do the following: Try the "radeon" driver once more -- /msg dpkg radeon -- and file a bug report about your problem with "reportbug xserver-xorg-video-radeon" if you still run into it. Make sure you *remove* every trace of the fglrx driver from your system prior to that. (#ati might/should know how) -- If that gives you a good system: Good. Else: Install the fglrx dkms driver -- /msg dpkg ... |
| 10:59.31 | babilen | ... fglrx dkms -- And try that. |
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| 10:59.57 | JamezQ | So, you guys know how <tab> <tab> <enter> gets you a list of all runnable programs in "path". How would I get that list and redirect it into a file? |
| 11:00.06 | buharin | babilen, thnks :) |
| 11:00.07 | babilen | buharin: Make sure "acpid" is installed *and* running before you do that. What does "cat /var/run/acpid.*" give you? |
| 11:00.21 | JamezQ | just get all executable programs in $PATH myself, or is there an easier way? |
| 11:00.43 | buharin | 1416 |
| 11:00.43 | buharin | cat: /var/run/acpid.socket: Nie ma takiego urzÄ
dzenia ani adresu |
| 11:00.47 | buharin | no such device |
| 11:01.25 | babilen | buharin: Something is wrong with your acpid too ... I would also fix that. Sorry to be so terse right now, but meh ... |
| 11:01.47 | buharin | babilen, okey thnks anyway I will fix this |
| 11:02.10 | babilen | good luck! |
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| 11:07.14 | pistolpete | I have a debian system on both sda and sdb, when updating via aptitude and there is a change requiring grub to reconfigure it changes my default to the lastest change. |
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| 11:07.40 | pistolpete | how do I get the old grub configuration back? |
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| 11:10.08 | ayambit | What monitoring system do you use? |
| 11:10.13 | ayambit | mon or nagios? |
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| 11:14.14 | babilen | ayambit: icinga! |
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| 11:15.12 | ayambit | babilen: basically I want a tool as simple as possible |
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| 11:15.49 | ayambit | babilen:That is able to watch logs and send me email if some regexp is found. |
| 11:16.09 | babilen | ayambit: logwatch? |
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| 11:17.39 | ayambit | babilen: can it send me an email right away after regexp is found? |
| 11:18.29 | ayambit | like if i do tail -f $log | |
| 11:18.31 | ayambit | while read line |
| 11:18.32 | ayambit | do |
| 11:18.34 | ayambit | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:18.35 | ayambit | done |
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| 11:20.51 | poisonbit | logwatch runs once a day |
| 11:20.56 | poisonbit | see logcheck package |
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| 11:22.26 | poisonbit | rsyslog has support for doing that i think |
| 11:23.18 | poisonbit | yeah, man rsyslog.conf, /regexp, enter |
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| 11:23.45 | poisonbit | you can pipe to custom commands if there is not native mail support |
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| 11:26.02 | unicum | hi.. are you a little more helpful in here, than the guys over at #ubuntu ? |
| 11:26.17 | MrFrood | !ubuntu |
| 11:26.17 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 11:26.18 | nkuttler | unicum: if you use debian maybe |
| 11:26.30 | unicum | well.. sorta ^^ |
| 11:26.35 | unicum | debian-based |
| 11:27.01 | Raptors | Is anyone else planing on jumping ship to KDE when gnomeshell gets forced on people? |
| 11:27.09 | unicum | running a lucid lynx here, just ran an update, now eth0 won't show up after start-up. "sudo dhclient" fixes the problem, but that is only marginally satisfying |
| 11:27.12 | unicum | any ideas? |
| 11:27.28 | cahoot | try #ubuntu |
| 11:27.41 | Raptors | <unicum> hi.. are you a little more helpful in here, than the guys over at #ubuntu ? |
| 11:27.42 | foetus | i'm still not be able to type in german umlauts from terminal2-6.. not as root nor as normal user - working under lenny at the moment. |
| 11:27.52 | ayambit | unicum: vim /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:27.53 | unicum | check out my question on entry, cahoot i did.. there was no reply |
| 11:28.03 | MrFrood | unicum: yes, you are not using debain - installing debian should fix it ;) |
| 11:28.03 | ayambit | add |
| 11:28.12 | ayambit | s |
| 11:28.14 | Raptors | MyAzhax_, lol |
| 11:28.18 | ayambit | z |
| 11:28.21 | ayambit | sorry |
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| 11:28.32 | unicum | MrFrood: let's not start on that now.. please.. it's not my system, but a friends.. if it were mine i'd run mint anyway |
| 11:28.34 | MrFrood | Raptors: just use a wm - who needs a de..? |
| 11:28.37 | unicum | ayambit: and then? |
| 11:28.40 | ayambit | Can't figure out how to do send multiline message with chatzilla |
| 11:29.01 | ayambit | unicum: add eth1 auto |
| 11:29.01 | MrFrood | unicum: did you see the wink-eye :P |
| 11:29.02 | Raptors | Willi installing all the kdebase packages install kde? |
| 11:29.09 | Raptors | Will* |
| 11:29.12 | ayambit | and eth1 inet dhcp |
| 11:29.25 | unicum | eth1 or eth0? |
| 11:29.27 | Raptors | MrFrood, WMs aren't for everyone |
| 11:29.37 | ayambit | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 11:29.39 | ayambit | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 11:29.40 | ayambit | that'll do |
| 11:29.57 | ayambit | disregard my previous lines |
| 11:30.03 | Raptors | and gnome 3 would suck even if you don't install gnomeshell |
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| 11:30.17 | ayambit | gnome is not needed |
| 11:30.17 | Raptors | becuase they destroyed everything to work with the shell |
| 11:30.21 | ayambit | just xterm + screen |
| 11:30.24 | ayambit | and chrome |
| 11:30.27 | ayambit | nothing more |
| 11:30.28 | Raptors | lol |
| 11:30.33 | unicum | added the following 3 lines: |
| 11:30.33 | unicum | auto eth0 |
| 11:30.33 | unicum | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 11:30.34 | unicum | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 11:30.45 | Raptors | LMFAO |
| 11:30.51 | ayambit | woohooo |
| 11:30.56 | ayambit | it's friday |
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| 11:30.58 | MrFrood | ayambit: urxvt & screen :P |
| 11:31.02 | unicum | right.. sorry |
| 11:31.09 | unicum | ayamit.. that should do, right? |
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| 11:31.46 | ayambit | if you use "auto eth0" delete "allow-hotpug eth0", as i know only one is needed. |
| 11:31.52 | ayambit | But you should google the difference. |
| 11:31.59 | cahoot | unicum: you say eth0 doesn't show up - what interface shows up then? |
| 11:32.18 | unicum | cahoot.. only lo |
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| 11:32.31 | unicum | "shows up" on ifconfig, that is |
| 11:32.48 | cahoot | ifconfig -a? |
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| 11:33.45 | unicum | well.. not worth trying now.. as it's been started by "sudo dhclient" |
| 11:34.11 | cahoot | I doubt dhclient enables any eth? |
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| 11:34.53 | ayambit | MrFrood: will try urxvt |
| 11:35.00 | ayambit | but terminal does not matter now |
| 11:35.07 | ayambit | it's screen that matters |
| 11:35.26 | MrFrood | screen with utf-8 :D |
| 11:35.32 | lxs-makoto | 'sup? I had a server failure last night, overtempterature. Gah, i hate the summer. So, i decided that i need something to watch the system temperature, and email me to let me know something isn't as it should be. I have sensors installed, but thats returning 8C. Now, last time I checked, my server wasnt cooled by liquid nitrogen. |
| 11:35.49 | lxs-makoto | So, any ideas how i get a *real* temperature? |
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| 11:36.12 | MrFrood | buy a therocouple? |
| 11:36.14 | unicum | ayambit: thx.. adding auto and dhcp to interfaces did it |
| 11:36.43 | ayambit | you're welcome |
| 11:36.43 | unicum | cahoot: well.. doubt it, but eth0 wasn't there after startup.. running dhclient did fire it up :/ |
| 11:36.44 | lxs-makoto | hmmm. |
| 11:37.34 | lxs-makoto | anybody had experience with proliants? im sure im missing a module or something |
| 11:37.43 | digdilem_ | lxs-makoto, there are cheap usb temp sensors, but their drivers for linux are a bit hit and miss |
| 11:37.58 | lxs-makoto | hmmm. |
| 11:38.05 | digdilem_ | or there are proper rack sensor arrays, but they cost a fair bit |
| 11:38.21 | lxs-makoto | i mean, if the worst comes to the worst I can just use my arduino and a little shell script |
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| 11:38.49 | digdilem_ | r, that'd do |
| 11:38.50 | lxs-makoto | but im pretty sure the proliants had sensors built in |
| 11:39.00 | digdilem_ | they do, and plenty of them |
| 11:39.10 | digdilem_ | incoming air temp too, iirc |
| 11:39.28 | digdilem_ | does sensors-detect not return useful info> |
| 11:39.57 | lxs-makoto | i dont appear to have that installed, i must have missed something out |
| 11:40.09 | lxs-makoto | no wait |
| 11:40.13 | lxs-makoto | my bad, i need to sudo |
| 11:40.13 | digdilem_ | it should be a part of sensors, so maybe a reinstall is in order? |
| 11:40.17 | digdilem_ | heh |
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| 11:41.05 | lxs-makoto | it couldn't see any sensors :| |
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| 11:46.43 | lxs-makoto | hmm, im gonna try the modules from the hp support pack, they should also kill the fan speeds to something more reasonable |
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| 11:48.50 | digdilem_ | r, hp should have pretty good support for linux |
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| 11:49.07 | digdilem_ | but surprised it's not built in already |
| 11:49.19 | digdilem_ | proliants are hardly rare servers |
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| 11:50.14 | buharin | endly catalyst work |
| 11:50.15 | buharin | ; D |
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| 11:52.23 | lxs-makoto | yeah, but their support for the g3 dl360 was limited to redhat and suse |
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| 11:56.32 | miasma | i renamed a mount point in fstab and the great hal/dbus/freedesktop/whatever system mounted the file system twice. am i getting data corruption now? |
| 11:56.57 | lxs-makoto | you think i could get this to work on squeeze? https://h20392.www2.hp.com/portal/swdepot/displayProductInfo.do?productNumber=T8570AAE |
| 11:56.59 | Iridos | is there no factoids on true-blends? |
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| 11:58.21 | Iridos | lxs-makoto, I would say that mostly depends on you and your determination and skill? :) |
| 11:58.29 | lxs-makoto | heh |
| 11:58.30 | lxs-makoto | well |
| 11:58.42 | lxs-makoto | i dont want my baby choking in my room |
| 11:59.07 | Iridos | what the heck does this do? |
| 11:59.13 | lxs-makoto | the noises it was making last night sent a shiver down my spine |
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| 11:59.43 | lxs-makoto | im after the hprms utilit |
| 11:59.51 | Iridos | but anyway... I would think it's not easy... depends on how they made those packages, they would/might depend on a lot of etch libraries |
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| 11:59.51 | lxs-makoto | *drivers |
| 11:59.57 | lxs-makoto | hmmm |
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| 12:00.54 | Iridos | if they're => dependencies, you could try mixing it into squeeze... which is not unlikely to fail |
| 12:01.31 | Iridos | if they strictly depend on a certain version (or if you run into problems with the 1st approach) you would need to repack the packages and somehow provide the etch libraries |
| 12:02.01 | Iridos | or you could forward port it to squeeze adapting it to all available libraries |
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| 12:02.44 | Stava | I added a script to /etc/init.d and its working fine when I'm running it manually. But how do I make it run on system boot? |
| 12:03.44 | Iridos | Stava, the softlinks in /etc/rc3.d do that... you can use update-rc.d or somesuch to have a program make them for you |
| 12:04.03 | Stava | Iridos, I'll check that out, thanks |
| 12:04.15 | Iridos | there's also redhats rcconf packaged if you prefer that |
| 12:04.22 | DammitJim | man, that's got to be the #1 question asked in here... how do I make something run upon bootup? |
| 12:04.28 | DammitJim | and yet, I still don't know how to do it :D |
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| 12:05.17 | Iridos | I don't think so... "my sound don't workx, halp" |
| 12:05.42 | Bushmills | just simple execution of a program? or something more involved, like starting a service which you want to be able to stop later on? |
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| 12:06.49 | Iridos | oh because it's calle pure blend... damn whoever used that wrong expression lately and got me off track |
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| 12:10.10 | p0s | whats the policy in debian6 for /etc/default ... from previous debian versions i'm used to having to set +x for the files there to be used ... now i installed tftpd-hpa on debian6 and during installation of the package a config wizard is presented which seems to change its /etc/default/tftpd-hpa ... however it does not set +x on the file?! |
| 12:10.38 | jelly | p0s: those are config files, there is no need for +x |
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| 12:12.11 | p0s | jelly: the bash scripts which use them typically to ". filename" to include them, doesnt that require +x on them? |
| 12:12.47 | Iridos | no... "." is the bash equivalent of "source" |
| 12:12.49 | jelly | p0s: it doesn't, you just need read permissions to source a nonexecutable file |
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| 12:13.11 | prince_jammys | Iridos: other way around |
| 12:13.21 | prince_jammys | . is posix, 'source' is bashism |
| 12:13.23 | Iridos | prince_jammys, hm? |
| 12:13.26 | Iridos | oh |
| 12:13.33 | p0s | oh ok thanks. |
| 12:13.34 | Iridos | prince_jammys, I was thinking of csh "source"... |
| 12:13.48 | p0s | debian6 defaults to dash i see... also valid for that? |
| 12:13.50 | Iridos | but fairysnuff |
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| 12:14.37 | buharin | hey, I got wireless-tools but no iwconfig command |
| 12:14.38 | buharin | : ( |
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| 12:16.08 | mns | buharin: do you have /sbin in your PATH ? |
| 12:16.29 | buharin | ahh, omg sorry why it should be root |
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| 12:17.59 | loob2 | hi people - I really need some help with dependency issues on Debian Sarge |
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| 12:19.05 | loob2 | I basically used 'apt-get -f install' to remove lots of stuff to fix it, but the command fails by itself |
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| 12:20.05 | loob2 | anyone able to help with sarge amd64 dpkg issues? |
| 12:20.11 | Kasreyn | trying to run a custom 2.6.38.3 kernel with nvidia dkms on squeeze. modules fail to compile. is there a fix? |
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| 12:22.24 | Kasreyn | wheezy has new version of nvidia-kernel-dkms, maybe it is available as backport? |
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| 12:24.24 | lynks | hi folks, im having trouble switching the in-use sound card from the onboard multimedia to my usb headphones, both appear in lspci, i can configure both in amixer, just cant figure out how to tell it which one to playback on! |
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| 12:25.56 | loob2 | anyone have an up-to-date sources.list for Debian Sarge (amd64) ? I'm getting 'Unable to parse package file' constantly |
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| 12:26.39 | ansgar | loob2: Sarge is dead. |
| 12:27.00 | lynks | loob2: i diddnt think it ever changed? deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 12:27.08 | loob2 | ansgar: yes, but having a production server offline is no fun |
| 12:27.41 | ansgar | loob2: Well, you could look at upgrading it to a suppoted version. Having no security support for years is no fun either. |
| 12:28.26 | loob2 | lynks: maybe you could help with this? http://pastie.org/private/63gramqeul6otr12nkptpa |
| 12:28.27 | ElDiabolo | Hi. |
| 12:29.10 | MrFrood | loob2: http://archive.debian.org/debian/. ? |
| 12:29.27 | loob2 | ansgar: you're correct of course - but for now I just need to reinstall lots of packages that I needed to remove to fix broken stuff |
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| 12:30.11 | loob2 | MrFood: I'm using that atm: deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-amd64/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 12:30.32 | lynks | hmm |
| 12:30.53 | lynks | yeah i went through something like this updating my desktop two iterations at once |
| 12:30.56 | loob2 | I have to admit, I'm quite a noob at this (please bear with me here) - the server has been running find for ages |
| 12:31.01 | MrFrood | did sarge have an amd64 release? |
| 12:31.06 | lynks | i ended up having to use dpgk --force a whole lot |
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| 12:31.16 | loob2 | MrFrood: yes, the first one |
| 12:31.27 | ansgar | loob2: perl 5.8.8 doesn't look like sarge. |
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| 12:32.08 | loob2 | ansgar: the trouble started with perl, indeed |
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| 12:32.47 | loob2 | any idea how to get perl-base back? |
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| 12:33.24 | Bushmills | !sarge |
| 12:33.24 | dpkg | Sarge is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.1, released June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported. Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Removed from the mirrors; ask me about <sarge sources.list>, <sarge-backports>. Get old Sarge ISOs here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSarge |
| 12:33.26 | loob2 | (actually, what happened is that apt-get itself broke due to a c++ dependency, so I had to install apt-get from an archived .deb first) |
| 12:33.27 | MrFrood | loob2: ther is a list of mirrors on http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
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| 12:34.23 | Bushmills | sarge -> etch -> lenny -> squeeze |
| 12:34.32 | techknowlust | hey guys I'm having trouble with rrdtool. It seems that pango fails to work correctlty. getting these errors https://gist.github.com/0fd941ce9c6210a774e3 |
| 12:34.52 | loob2 | MrFrood: I commented out all other mirrors, except for http://archive.debian.org/debian-amd64/ |
| 12:34.59 | techknowlust | googling has me going in circles. any help would be seriously appreciated. I've been at this problem a while |
| 12:35.09 | lynks | anyone help with my sound issue? i feel like it should be really simple |
| 12:35.37 | MrFrood | loob2: the list is of archive mirrors |
| 12:35.40 | buharin | how to add public key to apt? |
| 12:35.51 | loob2 | Bushmills: to be honest, I don't know how elaborate this turns out to be |
| 12:36.55 | MrFrood | loob2: if you are having issues with the main archive site try a mirror |
| 12:37.14 | ansgar | loob2: How much besides perl-base is broken? I guess you can get apt-get to downgrade to an older version when using -t. |
| 12:37.15 | loob2 | MrFrood: I think the list is OK now |
| 12:37.45 | ansgar | loob2: Or apt-get install foo=1.2-3 |
| 12:37.46 | loob2 | ansgar: I have a whole slew of packages to reinstall by now, but most are dependent on perl |
| 12:37.52 | cahoot | lynks: you want the usb headset to be 'default'? |
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| 12:38.22 | Bushmills | loob2: just showing how much you're trailing with sarge |
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| 12:38.40 | loob2 | Bushmills: I understand |
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| 12:38.57 | Bushmills | if those sarge servers are faced towards internet, consider the security implications |
| 12:39.13 | ansgar | loob2: And depending how much is broken, it might be faster to reinstall (also saves you from ugprading). |
| 12:39.52 | loob2 | ansgar: reinstall what exactly? still within Sarge? |
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| 12:40.14 | buharin | gpg: keydb_get_keyblock failed |
| 12:40.25 | buharin | what was that? |
| 12:40.26 | lynks | cahoot, yeah sure as its the only thing i use, but just being able to switch output device would be fine |
| 12:41.04 | ansgar | loob2: No, in that case you could just install the current stable version. |
| 12:41.16 | MrFrood | lynks: alsamixer allows one to switch cared iirc |
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| 12:41.41 | MrFrood | *cards |
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| 12:42.04 | lynks | i wasnt able to find anything in the man, ill check again - this is such a dumb problem |
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| 12:43.41 | cahoot | lynks: if you want the usb headset to be 'default' you could simply add "options snd-usb-audio index=0" to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base (or create one like /etc/modprobe.d/alsaoptions) set the corresponding options for snd-hda-intel to 1 or -2 |
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| 12:44.20 | cahoot | lynks: alsa force-reload should suffice to enable the changes |
| 12:44.51 | lynks | thanks, trying now |
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| 12:45.01 | loob2 | ansgar, others: any idea how to fix this in particular? perl: Depends: perl-base (= 5.8.4-8sarge5) but 5.8.8-12 is installed |
| 12:45.27 | MrFrood | lynks: if using the alsamixer TUI the F6 key |
| 12:45.33 | ansgar | loob2: 14:38 < ansgar> loob2: Or apt-get install foo=1.2-3 |
| 12:46.01 | loob2 | ansgar: apt-get install perb-base=5.8.4-8sarge5 ? |
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| 12:46.51 | lynks | mrfrood: as far as i could tell, f6 just switches between which output device to configure, it wasnt actually switching the playback... |
| 12:47.28 | ansgar | loob2: I would guess so. |
| 12:47.42 | MrFrood | lynks: ok |
| 12:48.06 | ansgar | loob2: Which might or might not complain about other dependencies. |
| 12:48.23 | loob2 | ansgar: trying it now |
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| 12:49.53 | loob2 | ansgar: it seems to be working... fingers crossed |
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| 12:53.40 | loob2 | ansgar: it worked - now reinstalling the other stuff |
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| 12:54.55 | lynks | cahoot: odd situation, amixer now thinks that the usb is the default (good) alsamixer now does not contain the usb (bad), and still no playback... |
| 12:55.06 | loob2 | ansgar, others: what if there's packages that are not available - should I add sources for those? |
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| 12:57.09 | MrFrood | !tell loob2 about alsactl |
| 12:57.18 | cahoot | lynks: cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 12:59.55 | wcheng | how to install nvidia driver in debian 6 ? |
| 13:00.25 | wcheng | i'm new linuxer |
| 13:00.29 | lynks | cahoot: yeah now there are only two, neither usb |
| 13:00.45 | Sw33NY | how to start ati catalyst control center in root ? huhu |
| 13:00.51 | Sw33NY | kdesu .. ? |
| 13:00.56 | cahoot | lynks: alsa force-reload didn't complain? |
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| 13:03.19 | Sw33NY | i founded, kdesu amdcccle for start ati catalyst control center in root |
| 13:03.21 | Sw33NY | ;) |
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| 13:04.55 | lynks | nope no problems, weird |
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| 13:05.14 | justin_ | wcheng: install the appropriate nvidia-glx package for your hardware |
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| 13:06.37 | wcheng | justin_: apt-cache search nvidia-glx ? |
| 13:07.45 | lneely | wcheng: debian repositories by default only offer free software, but can be reconfigured however you please. |
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| 13:08.03 | lneely | personally i'm happy with the nouveau driver, but haven't really tried anything too graphics-intensive. |
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| 13:10.28 | wcheng | lneely: ok , i see |
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| 13:11.43 | lneely | wcheng, you're using synaptic? |
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| 13:13.07 | wcheng | lneely: no |
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| 13:14.14 | dekar__ | is there a way to use a blockdevice as ram? |
| 13:14.28 | lneely | dekar__, you mean a swap partition...? ;p |
| 13:14.29 | dekar__ | I know it would have to go through the device driver, but I feel like trying it |
| 13:14.47 | dekar__ | nope, swapped code has to be de-swapped to be run |
| 13:15.22 | dekar__ | I am developing on arm cortex microcontrollers and they can directly run code from flash without loading it into ram - and it ain't that slow actually |
| 13:15.30 | lneely | oh, my bad :) |
| 13:15.40 | dekar__ | though that flash is somehow directly memory mapped |
| 13:16.24 | dekar__ | so I just feel like trying that using a solid state |
| 13:16.26 | lneely | *shrug* i'm not much of a hardware hacker, so all i have is a smartass remark. sorry |
| 13:16.34 | dekar__ | I know latencys will suck etc, I just feel like trying |
| 13:16.47 | dekar__ | yeah no problem ;) |
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| 13:17.57 | dekar__ | since drives support dma I'd guess they can be accessed directly using memory mapped IO |
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| 13:20.40 | optraz | is atom cpu faster than normal cpu? |
| 13:20.44 | lneely | isn't dma the opposite of that? |
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| 13:20.50 | optraz | cause atom cpu laptop is cheapter.. |
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| 13:23.36 | Frenk | Hey, I have a very strange problem. When I try to access my Debian-Server I can access the Apache (the website - but only if I use www.domain.com - domain.com does not work for this PC), but if I run traceroute it does not trace until the server (Hangs up on a SwitchIP) and IMAP + SMTP do not work too. I checked iptables and grep -r IPADRESS /var/log and /etc and nothing =( Anyone an idea? |
| 13:23.54 | dekar__ | lneely, I actually don't know for sure, but afaik the dma controller just works by copying stuff from memory address A to memory address B |
| 13:24.18 | dekar__ | thus the data has to be accessible in a memory mapped manner |
| 13:24.34 | justin_ | Frenk: pastbin the output of host -a domain.com and host -a www.domain.com |
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| 13:25.06 | Frenk | justin_: the targeted pc is a windows 7 machine =( |
| 13:25.16 | dekar__ | optraz, atom is a lower end processor - it's pretty power saving though and you should get a nice battery life |
| 13:26.02 | pyro_ | Hi. I got a problem here. im using zsh and have this in my .zshrc: alias a='aptitude'. |
| 13:26.03 | pyro_ | it works fine, but with "sudo a update", it says "sudo: a: command not found" |
| 13:26.29 | pyro_ | do i have to enter something special into .zshrc to make it work with sudo? |
| 13:26.34 | justin_ | Frenk: then run nslookup, do 'set type=ANY' and then 'domain.com' 'www.domain.com' |
| 13:26.39 | Burps | Hi. Before squeeze, I used to : "run-my-command | mail user@example.com" : the result of the command was the email body : Now with squeeze, I had to replace mail with mailx, ath the result of the command is an attach file : attachement.bin : is there a way to put it back into the body ? |
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| 13:27.40 | justin_ | Burps: both mail and mailx should be part of 'bsd-mailx' |
| 13:27.44 | lneely | dekar__, so you're trying to access data in the ram as if it were a block device? or the opposite? i guess maybe i don't understand the objective. |
| 13:27.44 | Frenk | Damn, okay I just got it - www is relinked to another server! So now I cant access the debian server AT ALL from one sigle connection |
| 13:27.45 | justin_ | Burps: is that what you have installed? |
| 13:27.59 | justin_ | Frenk: rep |
| 13:28.04 | justin_ | Frenk: er, yep :) |
| 13:28.18 | Burps | justin_: I just install exim4 |
| 13:28.53 | justin_ | Burps: is bsd-mailx installed? |
| 13:28.54 | dekar__ | lneely, I want to tell the kernel to use a block device as system memory by telling it the memory mapped address to use |
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| 13:29.02 | Burps | justin_: no, it is not : I'll try |
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| 13:29.12 | justin_ | Burps: ls -l /etc/alternatives/mailx |
| 13:29.16 | justin_ | Burps: what are you using now? |
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| 13:29.24 | dekar__ | I just wonder if it's possible to get like 80gb of slowish ram :) |
| 13:29.38 | lneely | hehe |
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| 13:30.08 | dekar__ | and swap really is different, swap stores data away, it has to be unstored in order to access it again |
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| 13:30.30 | dekar__ | my idea would get you "real" ram being used as disk cache etc |
| 13:30.45 | Frenk | Okay, here my problem again - I have a server - and I can ping it from some other destinations, but not from one particular. traceroute ends one hop before the targeted server. I can not find the issue. grep -r IPADRESS in /var/log and /etc does not show anything. Please advise! |
| 13:30.47 | lneely | interesting |
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| 13:31.30 | dekar__ | but I barely know anything about x86 and how all the stuff on my mainboard works :/ |
| 13:31.42 | ElDiabolo | Wah, I'd really appreciate a debian senior variant for old people. Just did an hour of phone support with my father because the printer did not print. Is there a way to put a limit on the print queue? |
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| 13:32.35 | Burps | justin_: /usr/bin/heirloom-mailx |
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| 13:36.18 | justin_ | Burps: I see.. that's supposed to be a 'better' mailx |
| 13:36.27 | lneely | i think i'm finally starting to understand, dekar__. still i'll be of little help, but was still curious |
| 13:36.38 | Burps | justin_: thanks, you saved me af o lot of pain :) |
| 13:36.52 | justin_ | Frenk: why did you just repeat your question again? |
| 13:36.53 | Iridos | ElDiabolo, limit? |
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| 13:37.29 | Iridos | you mean to prevent hundreds of documents to collect in the queue? :) |
| 13:37.30 | Iridos | ha |
| 13:37.42 | Frenk | justin_: because i wanted to get rid of the "www" assumption and to shorten the question |
| 13:37.52 | ElDiabolo | Iridos, More than 3 jobs in the cups print queue should give an error. |
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| 13:38.13 | leafwiz | Hey, I need some help with searching and installing a testing / unstable package on my stable system. I have been googling a bit. The guide talks about going into: /etc/apt/preferences, but I have /etc/apt/preferences.d/ |
| 13:38.14 | lneely | unfortunately i don't think dma will solve your problem. as i understand, it was designed for devices to bypass the cpu for memory access, whereas you want the cpu to be able to access the device. |
| 13:38.19 | buharin | guys, how to add compiz to xinitrc |
| 13:38.32 | lneely | i'm not entirely sure what you describe is even possible, but maybe you'll figure it out. |
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| 13:38.39 | leafwiz | So I'm confused if I should make the file, or add something to the directory? |
| 13:38.43 | Iridos | ElDiabolo, that could create a lot of confusion... |
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| 13:39.01 | ElDiabolo | Iridos, My father is 83 and if the printer does not print he presses the print button another time. |
| 13:39.29 | lneely | buharin, emacs. :) |
| 13:39.30 | ElDiabolo | Iridos, The old man has to print 15 more documents by now. |
| 13:39.49 | Iridos | ElDiabolo, it's not too hard to erase all jobs, though... you should configure his router so that you get ssh access to his machine |
| 13:39.54 | blami | hi ... is it possible to disable update-grub mechanism triggered by every kernel-image/xen hypervisor installation? it is annoying |
| 13:40.12 | ElDiabolo | Iridos, I could not explain him how to cancel print jobs over the phone and he got tired. |
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| 13:40.33 | Iridos | ElDiabolo, seems your answer is in this thread: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/cups-queue-limit-731682/ |
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| 13:40.58 | Iridos | ElDiabolo, that's what I meant... next time you're there, configure his router to allow you to access his computer by ssh |
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| 13:41.09 | Frenk | I also cant traceroute from server to the IP adress - all other ipadresses work |
| 13:41.24 | Iridos | ElDiabolo, there's a lot of stuff you can do remotely and which you can do a lot faster than explaining to him |
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| 13:42.39 | Iridos | ElDiabolo, then you would do something like lprm $(lpq -a |awk '/[0-9]/{print $3}') via your ssh access and Bob's your uncle |
| 13:42.55 | lneely | blami, there is a way to prevent post-installation hook from running, but i don't remember how... |
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| 13:43.12 | gnugr | leafwiz: create your own preferences file " touch /etc/apt/preferences " and add with " gedit /etc/apt/preferences " the pinning you need. |
| 13:43.34 | Big_Brother | how would i know if i have the right parallel port drive installer? |
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| 13:44.13 | Big_Brother | i'm trying to just get a WEY keyboard's basic functions working. |
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| 13:44.40 | leafwiz | gnugr, okay. thx |
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| 13:45.34 | ElDiabolo | Iridos, Thx. |
| 13:45.55 | justin_ | gnugr: that's what /etc/apt/preferences.d is for |
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| 13:46.19 | dekar__ | lneely, I don't ever intended to use DMA, I just concluded that if DMA works you should be able to access your drive using a memory pointer/address and thus should be able to direktly write to it as if it was ram |
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| 13:47.45 | gnugr | Justin_: preferences.d is a "slave" file |
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| 13:49.04 | justin_ | gnugr: preferences.d is where you should put custom preferences |
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| 13:49.56 | lneely | dekar__, but isn't cpu access to the device critical to that functionality? that's what i mean. |
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| 13:50.44 | dekar__ | well if dma is able to write to like 0x00800000, then the cpu is able to do the same |
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| 13:51.03 | dekar__ | at least that's how it works on my arm cortex |
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| 13:51.35 | buharin | someone can help me? |
| 13:51.41 | buharin | need to add compiz to startup |
| 13:51.51 | dekar__ | besides I don't even think the cpu would directly access it, I guess the MMU would probably do the work |
| 13:52.40 | lneely | dekar__, that's probably right |
| 13:53.18 | lneely | but the mmus is part of the cpu...? at least on intel systems it appears so. |
| 13:53.22 | Big_Brother | how would i know if i have the right parallel port driver installer? i'm trying to get a certain keyboard working. |
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| 13:53.28 | gnugr | buharin: read this: http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 13:53.39 | buharin | gnugr, that's no working |
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| 13:54.23 | dekar__ | lneely, well maybe - still even the cpu should be able to access 0x00800000 if dma is able to do it |
| 13:54.35 | lneely | dekar__, how does memory management on arm work? |
| 13:54.48 | lneely | well... that's an open question. better to point me to document unless you can briefly explain. |
| 13:54.50 | dekar__ | well mine doesn't even have a MMU XD |
| 13:54.54 | lneely | hehe |
| 13:55.09 | gnugr | buharin: what debs do you have in sources.list? |
| 13:55.28 | buharin | gnugr, I mean compiz is working but not at start |
| 13:55.36 | dekar__ | everything is memory mapped, there is some controller allowing me to hook up external memory if I feel like |
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| 13:55.47 | buharin | when I add it to xinitrc |
| 13:55.51 | buharin | nothing happend |
| 13:55.59 | Mikaze | Hello all, |
| 13:56.05 | Mikaze | Getting an error: "PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/xmlrpc.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/xmlrpc.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0" ... Anyone know the cause? Just did a full-upgrade to wheezy. |
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| 13:56.42 | bzed | Mikaze: install the php5-xmlrpc (or so) package |
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| 13:57.22 | lneely | back in 2 sec. :) |
| 13:57.36 | Mikaze | bzed: K. Will try that. |
| 13:57.38 | gnugr | !tell buharin -about compiz |
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| 14:00.31 | Mikaze | bzed: the php5-xmlso package? |
| 14:00.35 | lneely | k |
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| 14:01.21 | Mikaze | bzed: The php5-xmlrpc package installed without a qualm. |
| 14:01.51 | lneely | dekar__, have you read about memory-mapped file i/o? that reads like what you're talking about. |
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| 14:02.38 | dekar__ | lneely, isn't that what I said? [15:24] <dekar__> thus the data has to be accessible in a memory mapped manner |
| 14:02.58 | lneely | dekar__, in a really roundabout way, yes. |
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| 14:03.10 | Mikaze | waits to see if he gets mailed another php error. |
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| 14:04.28 | dekar__ | lneely, ah I see, didn't know you could do it for single files, I thought it would always be done for the whole drive |
| 14:04.49 | lneely | dekar__, mmap() would probably work |
| 14:04.49 | dekar__ | but I guess it makes sense since 32bit systems don't have enough address space for 2tb drives :D |
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| 14:05.49 | lneely | well... now that i read it more carefully, maybe not... grumble. |
| 14:06.05 | Mikaze | They could if they ip v6'ed the drive addresses. |
| 14:06.08 | lneely | not sure anyhow. can't hurt to try. |
| 14:06.47 | dekar__ | just updating my phone atm, but I guess I'll look into it over the next week or so |
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| 14:07.17 | Mikaze | hums the theme to Doctari. |
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| 14:07.29 | lneely | cool deal -- good luck |
| 14:07.31 | dekar__ | I see some potential, I mean even if it's just as slow as old sd-ram there should still be applications taking advantage of huge amounts of memory |
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| 14:08.43 | alfa_y_omega | dekar__, many partitions of 2 TB (upto 16 TB for 4KiB pages) are the recommended future option. |
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| 14:09.20 | dekar__ | alfa_y_omega, I don't see how that's relevant in any way |
| 14:10.00 | alfa_y_omega | for no more efforts re-implementing the wheel of the filesystem |
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| 14:10.23 | dekar__ | also I'd guess 64bit is more than enough to memory map 16tb SSD drives once they're out |
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| 14:10.46 | dekar__ | well, who would want that much ram anyway? XD |
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| 14:11.53 | Mikaze | wtf are we gonna do with 16TB drives? The Entire Library of Congress is only 2.5TB |
| 14:12.06 | dekar__ | mirror the internet archive :D |
| 14:12.19 | lneely | piss off the riaa? |
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| 14:12.52 | dekar__ | I wonder what happens if I use a traditional spinning hdd as ram XD |
| 14:13.05 | gde33 | should make a movie called 16TB then show the ppl how to get torrents. |
| 14:13.12 | Iridos | Mikaze, 3D porn? |
| 14:13.20 | Mikaze | lol |
| 14:13.32 | gde33 | :D |
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| 14:14.11 | omes | Mikaze: i could easialy fill up 16 TB in a day given the write speeds are fast enough... |
| 14:14.18 | Sw33NY | i have 10tb and it's full |
| 14:14.29 | Sw33NY | but not ssd ^ |
| 14:14.29 | omes | s/easialy/easily/ |
| 14:14.30 | gde33 | hah you have no life :P |
| 14:14.33 | Sw33NY | only 30go lol |
| 14:14.35 | dekar__ | I have 4tb, only like 500gb left |
| 14:14.35 | devhell | Sw33NY: respect. |
| 14:14.54 | gde33 | I'm downloading entire google video right now |
| 14:15.03 | gde33 | well... not really.... |
| 14:15.09 | gde33 | I wish... |
| 14:15.27 | Sw33NY | devhell: if you use raid and backup .... |
| 14:15.31 | Mikaze | Well, long as they make all books are made into ebooks and made available, either in xml or Daisy, I'll be happy. Still won't have any use for 16TB, tho. |
| 14:15.48 | justin_ | Mikaze: that's a very shortsighted thing to say |
| 14:16.00 | justin_ | people said that kind of shit all the time when drives were 50MB |
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| 14:16.15 | Iridos | Mikaze, that'd be a nice thing to have on a smartphone or tablet :) |
| 14:16.21 | devhell | Mikaze: just like 640k is more than enough for every computer? ;-) |
| 14:16.31 | Mikaze | No, I'm blind, thinks TV and Radio rots the brain, and only collect ebooks these days. |
| 14:16.32 | Iridos | so if ever you plan a trip to Mars or so you have enough reading material |
| 14:16.55 | alfa_y_omega | there's no water in Mars |
| 14:17.05 | devhell | Iridos: pr0n not reading material. :) |
| 14:17.09 | gde33 | we can have huge meta datas which is always nice |
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| 14:17.21 | Raptors | Hey guys |
| 14:17.21 | Mikaze | Stupidest people on the planet are drug addict couch potatoes. |
| 14:17.22 | gde33 | like a citation from a book with the entire book as the meta info |
| 14:17.26 | Iridos | devhell, and the 640k thing is supposed to be a misquote |
| 14:17.29 | omes | alfa_y_omega: i fail to see what that has to do with anything, further more you don't know that. |
| 14:17.32 | Raptors | Do you know where I can get kde debian packages? |
| 14:17.51 | Raptors | I need the packages to make GTK aps look like KDE aps |
| 14:17.53 | alfa_y_omega | tree in Mars => there's water |
| 14:17.55 | devhell | Iridos: I know but still true. |
| 14:17.57 | alfa_y_omega | no tree in Mars => there's no water |
| 14:18.05 | omes | Mikaze: and the people who are blind to that not everyone are the same. |
| 14:18.27 | Iridos | Raptors, on non-debian you mean? |
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| 14:18.39 | Raptors | non-debain means? |
| 14:18.44 | Raptors | mean? |
| 14:18.45 | Raptors | nvm |
| 14:18.45 | Raptors | No |
| 14:18.47 | Raptors | on Debain |
| 14:19.01 | Raptors | There are KDE files to install it on Debian |
| 14:19.11 | Raptors | but none to make it look like kde |
| 14:19.13 | Raptors | for gtk |
| 14:19.25 | Raptors | in main repo |
| 14:19.34 | lneely | no life means no water? what a stupid thing to say. |
| 14:19.38 | Mikaze | A full third of TV programming today is nothing but advertizing. I don't want marketters in my home. |
| 14:19.48 | omes | welcome to #debian *cough*troll central*cough* |
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| 14:20.19 | Iridos | Raptors, I don't understand that. Either use KDE as a DE, then it looks like KDE or don't, then it doesn'T? |
| 14:20.24 | buharin | compiz, done but I still have only 2 desktop how to increase it to 4 |
| 14:20.26 | buharin | ? |
| 14:20.55 | ElDiabolo | Mikaze, Simply turn off the TV? |
| 14:20.59 | Mikaze | Long as they iron out the accessibility features in Linux, I'll be happy. |
| 14:21.10 | lneely | throw the tv out! :) |
| 14:21.15 | Raptors | Iridos, no there are packages that make GTK look like KDE |
| 14:21.19 | lneely | there's nothing good about tv |
| 14:21.29 | ompaul | lneely: there is the off button |
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| 14:22.03 | lneely | ompaul, skip a step and don't buy one. :) |
| 14:22.06 | omes | ElDiabolo: of course you can't just shut it off! that would mean others can still watch the stupidifying TV programming, and we can't allow that. we have to destroy the tv of course so everyone can be the same and read ebooks! |
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| 14:22.46 | Mikaze | lneely: Not since I Dream of Jeanie. |
| 14:22.46 | ompaul | lneely: don't watch it, others do. |
| 14:22.48 | omes | im so sick and tired of people who think they're better than others |
| 14:22.49 | Iridos | Raptors, kde-config-gtk-style? |
| 14:22.57 | Raptors | yes |
| 14:22.59 | lneely | *nod* understood :) |
| 14:23.01 | Raptors | I just noticed that |
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| 14:23.44 | ElDiabolo | Raptors, Or is it gtk2-engines-qtpixmap |
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| 14:23.55 | Raptors | the person on KDE (who doesn't use Debian) told me kcm-gtk |
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| 14:25.31 | Mikaze | I never said not to watch TV. Would be nice if Hollywood got it's head out and came up with some new ideas. |
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| 14:26.01 | Iridos | looks in direction of #debian-offtopic |
| 14:26.22 | lneely | why rely on hollywood? |
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| 14:26.38 | ompaul | points in the direction of #debian-offtopic |
| 14:26.52 | ompaul | we need new material in #debian-offtopic |
| 14:27.05 | lneely | ack. sorry :) |
| 14:27.25 | dvs | ompaul: How about Debian?;-) |
| 14:27.53 | ompaul | dvs: we got lots of debian apt-get install it all |
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| 14:28.14 | Mikaze | grins evilly. We could take it to #Ubuntu and drive them crazy over there... |
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| 14:28.20 | lneely | ha! |
| 14:28.23 | dvs | heh |
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| 14:28.29 | DeMoMaH | q all |
| 14:28.39 | dvs | revenge is sweet! |
| 14:28.43 | DeMoMaH | yeah |
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| 14:29.11 | exzon | ÕÌ |
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| 14:29.16 | DeMoMaH | òóò ðóññêèå åñòü? |
| 14:29.19 | DeMoMaH | õîòÿ áû 1 èç âàñ |
| 14:29.20 | DeMoMaH | áëÿÿ |
| 14:29.24 | ompaul | ? |
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| 14:29.29 | DeMoMaH | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.31 | exzon | ÓÕÀÕÀÕÀ |
| 14:29.34 | exzon | ;D |
| 14:29.40 | DeMoMaH | íå ïîíèìàåòå íàñ? |
| 14:29.46 | DeMoMaH | do you speak russian??? |
| 14:29.47 | Iridos | stop! |
| 14:29.49 | DeMoMaH | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.57 | exzon | D@ |
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| 14:30.14 | ompaul | no and mostly we don't |
| 14:30.21 | DeMoMaH | ÿ íå áàëàáîíþ íà âàøåì |
| 14:30.23 | DeMoMaH | ._, |
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| 14:30.52 | DeMoMaH | íåò è ãëàâíûì îáðàçîì ìû íå äåëàåì |
| 14:30.55 | DeMoMaH | âîò ÷î îí ñêàçàë |
| 14:30.56 | ompaul | DeMoMaH: please stop |
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| 14:31.01 | exzon | Ýì? |
| 14:31.04 | DeMoMaH | what? |
| 14:31.06 | DeMoMaH | why? |
| 14:31.07 | DeMoMaH | D: |
| 14:31.14 | lneely | because it's not funny, it's stupid. |
| 14:31.26 | n1x | hi guys, how to open current aplication, e.g "skype" without clicking on icon |
| 14:31.27 | ompaul | na, it just ain't debian support |
| 14:31.28 | n1x | : ) |
| 14:31.35 | DeMoMaH | åñëè âû ðóññêèé íå ïîíèìàåòå |
| 14:31.39 | DeMoMaH | êíåø áóäåò òóïî |
| 14:31.51 | ompaul | !ru |
| 14:31.51 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian or use English here. |
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| 14:33.02 | DeMoMaH | Privet vsem |
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| 14:33.03 | DeMoMaH | D: |
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| 14:33.57 | Mikaze | wonders if there's a skype daemon for the CLI, so you don't have to have an memory hogging X-session running all the time. |
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| 14:35.04 | devhell | weren't they planning an API and a libskype kind of thing? |
| 14:35.12 | negar | aminpy: salam |
| 14:35.17 | Mikaze | No idear. |
| 14:35.19 | lneely | i haven't heard of that dev. |
| 14:35.37 | lneely | i know pidgin has a skype extension, but skype has to be running for it to work. talk about stupid. |
| 14:35.41 | ompaul | skype problems are because skype people don't do floss versions of their software |
| 14:35.57 | Mikaze | Maybe hack skype for asterisk. |
| 14:36.00 | ompaul | ktnxelo ;-) |
| 14:36.04 | lneely | indeed. of course we could just not use skype, since it's just awful. |
| 14:36.07 | dekar__ | I heard they released some skype lib |
| 14:36.18 | ompaul | Mikaze: build a vm and run it in there with a lot of restrictions on what it can get to do |
| 14:36.21 | lneely | googling now |
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| 14:36.51 | cast | i second the fuck-skype movement |
| 14:36.59 | ompaul | you could have the application appear in your current machine with ssh -X user@far skype ;-) |
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| 14:37.02 | devhell | indeed.. I fire up a VM when the need arises to use skype.. |
| 14:37.12 | cast | it's not just proprietary, it's intentionally very difficult to reverse engineer |
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| 14:37.39 | lneely | hehe cast. i like that. |
| 14:37.47 | ompaul | security though obscurity, works every time |
| 14:37.49 | Mikaze | ompaul: Well, if you use a linux telephony project, it isn't popular with the Mickeysoft users and vice-versa. |
| 14:37.53 | Raptors | *sigh* |
| 14:38.04 | Raptors | I'm seeing the option for the GTK settings but its not doing anything |
| 14:38.06 | ompaul | Mikaze: and that you should regard as their loss |
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| 14:38.32 | jan0s1k | Hi, is it possible, that site packages.debian.org is saying, that in package "php-zeroc-ice" for testing is file IcePHP.so and when I'm checking this package it doesn't? |
| 14:39.22 | ompaul | jan0s1k: do this instead apt-cache show php-zeroc-ice |
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| 14:39.49 | Mikaze | ompaul: Well, as long as we get a asterisk or linphone server as popular as skype, maybe the Mickeysoft users will wanna support it. |
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| 14:39.54 | ompaul | jan0s1k: then consider apt-cache rdepends php-zeroc-ice |
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| 14:40.08 | ompaul | Mikaze: wrong answer, right suggestion |
| 14:40.15 | lneely | Mikaze, the thing we really lack in FLOSS is satan's little helpers, the marketers. |
| 14:40.19 | negar | aminpy: hi |
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| 14:40.39 | negar | aminpy: h r u? |
| 14:40.42 | ompaul | users supporting something is not what you want |
| 14:40.51 | ompaul | you want devs supporting it and a big user base |
| 14:41.19 | lneely | should not developers also be users? |
| 14:41.25 | Mikaze | ompaul: The more support, the cheaper it can be. |
| 14:41.36 | lneely | and vice-versas |
| 14:41.43 | lneely | (no plural) |
| 14:41.49 | ompaul | lneely: the idea that users create a need is ok, but you need devs who scratch the itch |
| 14:42.10 | Raptors | log out and log in fixed it |
| 14:42.12 | ompaul | else you need a business model and marketers |
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| 14:43.04 | ompaul | there are cross over apps but in the main ... you would rather a large dev population on both platforms etc |
| 14:43.07 | teclo- | hi, on a fresh install, I always get "fatal: no screens found" in kdm's log and Xorg's log ...and I got no GUI... how to fix this ? |
| 14:43.28 | ompaul | and then all the peeps using bad software go "support me" they have what works etc |
| 14:43.50 | Mikaze | Need a CLI daemon for linux and a flashy interface for the GUI (Accessible for the blind and deaf, of course), and a port for Mickeysoft and Crapple. |
| 14:43.53 | jan0s1k | ompaul: I'm sure, that it doesn't contain, I downloaded this package for whole architectures and noone has it |
| 14:43.55 | ompaul | and you know yourself a memory hog of an app (and show me one on |
| 14:43.59 | jan0s1k | http://pastebin.com/7J7JRLrN |
| 14:44.00 | ompaul | wd8h |
| 14:44.07 | ompaul | slaps the enter key |
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| 14:44.47 | ompaul | windows that is not) and then show it to me on gnu/linux and wonder why it works on both platforms etc lots to discuss in #debian-offtopic on this |
| 14:45.49 | Mikaze | WITH SSL encryption. (had to get that last bit in) |
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| 14:45.56 | Mikaze | Keep well, all... |
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| 14:48.48 | ansgar | jan0s1k: Hmm, interesting. I would suggest filing a bug. |
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| 14:50.18 | jan0s1k | ansgar: Where can I do it? I never done it :) |
| 14:50.31 | erAbuelo | buenas tardes |
| 14:50.52 | dvs | i'm not late! |
| 14:51.00 | ansgar | jan0s1k: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 14:51.20 | jan0s1k | Ok, thank you |
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| 14:51.40 | dvs | jan0s1k: Or you can use reportbug |
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| 14:53.10 | jan0s1k | It seems, that it's there, but this man didn't wrote what exactly problem it is :P http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=623533 |
| 14:53.38 | dvs | jan0s1k: You can add your input and track the bug |
| 14:54.00 | jan0s1k | Hm, sounds great :) |
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| 14:54.45 | jan0s1k | Can I do it by this tool "reportbug"? |
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| 14:55.08 | dvs | I think so. You need the bug number. |
| 14:55.12 | Parsifal | jan0s1k: Yes, reportbug will show you a list of existing bugs and you can choose to comment on one. |
| 14:55.45 | jan0s1k | Ok |
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| 15:12.45 | buharin | how to change login screen? |
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| 15:13.16 | miasma | so, updating grub2 gave: error: symbol not found: 'grub_env_export'. |
| 15:13.22 | miasma | it won't boot anymore |
| 15:13.26 | miasma | is this desired effect? |
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| 15:13.51 | ompaul | buharin: you should tell the channel (not me) which one you use GDM KDM KDM or something else |
| 15:14.00 | miasma | i tried to run update-grub but it completed successfully. can't really find a way to "fix" the grub |
| 15:14.02 | buharin | ompaul, gdm |
| 15:14.10 | ompaul | buharin: eh read it again |
| 15:14.20 | buharin | GDM |
| 15:14.46 | ompaul | personally I don't use that, and I guessed you did (just because of default cd setting) |
| 15:14.59 | jhutchins_lt | miasma: What release? |
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| 15:15.16 | miasma | jhutchins_lt: latest debian testing, updated maybe a week ago |
| 15:15.27 | miasma | had to reboot due to loss of power |
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| 15:15.56 | miasma | jhutchins_lt: it's the damn grub2. i don't know how it works. i'm perfectly comfortable with lilo and grub1. but this grub2 is crap |
| 15:15.59 | jhutchins_lt | Well, just restore the backup you made before the upgrade. |
| 15:16.03 | miasma | lol |
| 15:16.05 | miasma | i don't have one |
| 15:16.22 | jhutchins_lt | You're running testing and you don't back up before upgrading. |
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| 15:16.44 | ompaul | buharin: however there is a setting called "login window" and it needs to kicked in System>Administration>Login Window have a poke around there as root |
| 15:16.47 | miasma | so it's my fault that grub developers are incompetent idiots+ |
| 15:16.50 | miasma | *? |
| 15:17.11 | jhutchins_lt | No, you're running testing, which is not intended to be a working release, it's testing. |
| 15:17.19 | jhutchins_lt | Have you modified any of the grub files? |
| 15:17.22 | miasma | i'm not really buying that |
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| 15:17.24 | miasma | nope |
| 15:17.29 | buharin | ompaul, I cann't run it as root |
| 15:17.31 | ompaul | miasma: you better, cos it is the only show in town |
| 15:17.31 | miasma | it's the default vanilla debian |
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| 15:17.36 | jhutchins_lt | Buy it or not, it's the truth. |
| 15:17.43 | buharin | ompaul, some command? |
| 15:17.56 | ompaul | buharin: why not? |
| 15:18.04 | buharin | the lock won't work |
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| 15:18.22 | jhutchins_lt | miasma: I know I haven't seen anyone with this particular error before. Why did you run update-grub? |
| 15:18.35 | Bushmills | miasma: congratulations, you have successfully tested grub. now fix it. |
| 15:18.37 | miasma | jhutchins_lt: i ran sudo aptitude upgrade |
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| 15:19.10 | miasma | Bushmills: i hate the grub2 devs and packagers already so much i'm going to remove all grub packages and use a manual installation |
| 15:19.18 | miasma | the boot loader doesn't need any upgrade IMHO |
| 15:19.22 | skamikaze | miasma: if you don't know how grub2 works maybe you should blame yourself and not grub2 devs.. |
| 15:19.23 | ompaul | miasma: good luck with that |
| 15:19.38 | miasma | unless i upgrade to EFI, i might as well use the same boot loader i had 20 years ago |
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| 15:19.57 | miasma | there's no development on the hardware side so i don't see why they need to break the package every now and then |
| 15:19.58 | ompaul | you had one 20 years ago |
| 15:20.07 | Bushmills | miasma: right. if you want things to be done right, don't rely on others. |
| 15:20.13 | nsadmin2 | miasma, as I always say, run what you want |
| 15:20.16 | miasma | skamikaze: distros are pushing grub2. grub1 worked fine |
| 15:20.43 | ompaul | miasma: and just in case you were not aware there are use cases (not in my world but in other peoples) where grub 1 fails |
| 15:20.46 | miasma | tbh, this is the second reboot i made on this system |
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| 15:20.56 | nsadmin2 | that's somewhat true, with a few problem cases |
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| 15:21.18 | Bushmills | miasma: why did you upgrade at all? if things are better as they are, don't change. |
| 15:21.24 | miasma | ompaul: sure, but it's not the case here. plain old ext2 root partition as primary partition 1 |
| 15:21.27 | jhutchins_lt | miasma: Wow, you are wrong about so much of what you just said I don't know where to start. This is not 1991. |
| 15:21.28 | nsadmin2 | btw, the reason you care is? |
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| 15:21.41 | miasma | jhutchins_lt: i see |
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| 15:22.07 | devhell | miasma: expect things to fail when running testing.. especially at this stage.. |
| 15:22.19 | ompaul | and all other stages ;-) |
| 15:22.32 | ompaul | failure in testing, sid, and experimental |
| 15:22.32 | hell | hi, does anything changed in bash autocompletion rules? |
| 15:22.37 | miasma | devhell: i've tried several grub2 using distros and i've seen it fail more than once |
| 15:22.40 | ompaul | is not just an option, it has to happen |
| 15:22.56 | devhell | miasma: then it might be that you are doing something wrong. |
| 15:23.20 | miasma | devhell: i haven't done much anything yet. installed a vanilla debian testing, upgraded, booted due to power loss |
| 15:23.22 | Bushmills | devhell: no. you heard it. the devs are to blame |
| 15:23.29 | hell | for example for "mount /de<tab>" i expect a /dev/, but got a /dev/mapper/ |
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| 15:23.48 | devhell | miasma: did you try the stable release (squeeze)? |
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| 15:24.01 | miasma | Bushmills: come one. having one hard disk, one partition, ext2 should be the most simplest use case ever |
| 15:24.08 | jhutchins_lt | miasma: Did you check the disk for errors? |
| 15:24.12 | miasma | yes |
| 15:24.18 | Sw33NY | bye all |
| 15:24.34 | nsadmin2 | it's among many workable cases |
| 15:24.41 | devhell | miasma: was that 'yes' to my question or to jhutchings_' question? |
| 15:24.49 | miasma | devhell: to jhutchins_lt |
| 15:24.54 | Bushmills | miasma: try stable. if you run testing, contribute your experiences in a productive way |
| 15:24.56 | miasma | jhutchins_lt: but from your reactions i can see that you're also not aware of the error either |
| 15:25.18 | miasma | Bushmills: well i could do something, but i'm totally lost with grub2. so the only thing i can imagine is to install grub1 |
| 15:25.19 | devhell | miasma: I'll ask again.. have you tried using the stable release? |
| 15:25.28 | jhutchins_lt | miasma: No, rather I know that the majority of people currently running testing don't have that error. |
| 15:25.38 | miasma | devhell: it works, so what? |
| 15:25.42 | Bushmills | miasma: "the devs are idiots" is not what i would call productive |
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| 15:25.47 | miasma | devhell: have you run macosx ? |
| 15:25.59 | jhutchins_lt | miasma: I suspect that your grub installation may have been corrupted by the power loss. Suggest you get it up in a chroot and reinstall. |
| 15:26.04 | devhell | miasma: what do you mean with 'it works, so what?' |
| 15:26.05 | karlpinc | hell: I just noticed something similar when autocompleting an lvm volume -- it didn't autocomplete. |
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| 15:26.27 | miasma | devhell: i can't extrapolate anything from debian stable's status. it probably doesn't even use grub2 |
| 15:26.38 | devhell | WTF? |
| 15:26.41 | jhutchins_lt | miasma: Actually it does. |
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| 15:27.21 | hell | karlpinc: i can describe it like 'history-based autocomplete' or something like this. First time it shows all possibilities, but next times... |
| 15:27.48 | hell | too smart for me) |
| 15:27.49 | miasma | jhutchins_lt: anyways, it seems this error is pretty common so i'll try to find the answer elsewhere http://www.google.fi/search?hl=fi&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=grub+symbol+not+found+grub_env_export&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq= |
| 15:27.59 | Bushmills | miasma: " i'm perfectly comfortable with lilo and grub1." both lilo and grub1 are available, even in testing |
| 15:28.21 | devhell | miasma: try a fresh install of stable.. if it doesn't work come back.. if it works be happy. If you're using testing or unstable or even experimental you have to live with bad errors.. |
| 15:28.30 | freeone3000 | I'm having trouble with debian on arm, trying to chown files fails. |
| 15:28.30 | miasma | Bushmills: like i said, i had not had time to do much anything. it's the vanilla debian testing + one aptitude update + one aptitude upgrade + reboot |
| 15:28.40 | freeone3000 | What could cause this? What do I need to update so that chown works? |
| 15:28.41 | nsadmin2 | miasma, one point in favor of grub2 is that upstream developers won't waste their time even talking about it... much less supporting it |
| 15:28.53 | freeone3000 | Instead of searching the actual filename, it searches some weird illegal character scheme. |
| 15:28.56 | nsadmin2 | bug fixes would be on you |
| 15:29.04 | Bushmills | miasma: oh, right. not much time for chosing an alternative, or to read about grub2. but time to call devs idiots. |
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| 15:29.23 | miasma | Bushmills: that's my opinion |
| 15:29.49 | dury | hi there all :) |
| 15:29.49 | ompaul | miasma: and your opinion is that you used lilo 20 years ago, which is impossible but why let facts get in the way of a good story ;-) |
| 15:30.03 | ompaul | s/story/rant/g |
| 15:30.13 | anomalies | is away, mo 'gituan' dulu di meeting room pake kasur angin ;)) |
| 15:30.18 | devhell | miasma: good for you.. so since you're insisting to use testing it might be better to stop mouthing-off about the devs and contribute in a constructive way. |
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| 15:30.51 | nsadmin2 | miasma, I see, so you don't know any of the details, any of the reasons why, and you allow yourself to form an opinion based upon that particular lack or knowledge? |
| 15:30.57 | miasma | ompaul: i've used grub since 2003. only updated to grub2 because it seemed to be the default choice |
| 15:31.00 | dury | it's GNU/Linux Debian better than Microsoft Win? |
| 15:31.07 | nsadmin2 | I won't do it so you call yourself an idiot |
| 15:31.12 | cast | dury: yes. |
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| 15:31.16 | karlpinc | dury: What do you expect us to say? |
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| 15:31.32 | jhutchins_lt | miasma: I suspect that your grub installation may have been corrupted by the power loss. Suggest you get it up in a chroot and reinstall. |
| 15:31.36 | miasma | nsadmin2: listen, it's becoming pretty clear that since you didn't know the answer to my question, you're starting to blame me personally |
| 15:31.48 | jhutchins_lt | miasma: You're wasting time winging here instead of fixing it. |
| 15:31.52 | nsadmin2 | or are you expressing a false opinion in order to waste the time of the channel? |
| 15:31.56 | freeone3000 | I'm having trouble with debian on arm, trying to chown files fails. Basically, when running "chown root:adm somefile.file" it reports back with "chown: changing ownership of u'\340\343\002', no such file or directory". What should I do? |
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| 15:32.12 | jhutchins_lt | !repeat |
| 15:32.12 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 15:32.13 | devhell | miasma is a troll. |
| 15:32.16 | jhutchins_lt | !arm |
| 15:32.16 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at Debian 5.0 with official support dropped at Debian 6.0, ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:32.27 | dury | cast, karlpinc: even for companies? |
| 15:32.45 | nsadmin2 | I don't even know your question. my comments are based on your behavior |
| 15:32.46 | cast | dury: especially for companies |
| 15:33.14 | ompaul | miasma: things change, a lot over time. I hated when they dropped wd support in the BSD world for hda but that was a long time ago. I hated it more when popclient became deprecated for fetchmail, but hey I'm still using floss software. |
| 15:33.44 | devhell | ompaul: don't waste your time.. he's gone. |
| 15:33.49 | dury | cast, but not average users :( |
| 15:34.15 | ompaul | devhell: ahh, sure it was fun to say anyway ;-) |
| 15:34.21 | karlpinc | dury: Everybody's different. |
| 15:34.23 | devhell | ompaul: agreed. |
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| 15:34.42 | karlpinc | dury: My mom uses Debian. She's a regular user. |
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| 15:35.08 | nsadmin2 | nonregular users should consider metamucil |
| 15:35.20 | dury | karlpinc: even mine |
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| 15:36.13 | dury | karlpinc: great even for recycle old computers :) |
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| 15:36.23 | karlpinc | dury: Yes. |
| 15:36.33 | karlpinc | dury: You seem new to debian. See below. |
| 15:36.35 | karlpinc | !overview |
| 15:36.35 | dpkg | Debian stable does not always include all the software people need or want so there is much official, semi-official, and non-official software available for stable. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware . Ask me about <security>, <installer firmware>, <backports>, <squeeze-updates>, <multimedia>, <non-free>, <contrib>, <emdebian>, <debian live>. See also <grounding>, <social contract>. |
| 15:37.12 | dury | karlpinc: I'm not |
| 15:37.31 | dury | karlpinc: really love debian |
| 15:37.34 | karlpinc | dury: Debian has a reputation for being "difficult" because by default it includes only Free Software. You need to flip some switches to get other stuff. |
| 15:37.46 | karlpinc | dury: Then why the first question? |
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| 15:38.16 | dury | karlpinc: average people are blind |
| 15:38.38 | dury | karlpinc: they don't use free software |
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| 15:39.19 | karlpinc | dury: Not to be offputting, but you might want #debian-offtopic. This is for people who need help. |
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| 15:40.22 | dury | karlpinc: really sorry... see if I can support someone s well |
| 15:40.33 | dury | s = as |
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| 15:44.32 | Glass_Soul | FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU |
| 15:44.34 | Glass_Soul | FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU |
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| 15:45.28 | Bushmills | funny .. same server as miasma |
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| 15:46.15 | nsadmin2 | that doesn't prove anything... if anything he'd continue to troll regardless of any comments if he were trolling |
| 15:46.37 | Bushmills | not suggested as prove. merely as funny observation. |
| 15:46.41 | Bushmills | froof |
| 15:46.44 | Bushmills | grr ... |
| 15:46.48 | nsadmin2 | oh ok :)_ |
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| 15:48.37 | Lanz | Hey everyone. I'm having trouble installing Debian testing (daily built) on an ASUS P8P67 motherboard (i5 2500k, GeForce 580, OCZ Vertex 2, 4GB DDR3-1600). I get a kernel panic immediately after booting the installer. What should I do? |
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| 15:49.15 | twobitsprite | Lanz: have you successfully booted other linux distros, or earlier testing builds or even stable on that system? |
| 15:49.27 | nsadmin2 | try installing stable base (from stable netinstall) and then immediately upgrade |
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| 15:50.31 | karlpinc | Lanz: No need to cross post with irc.debian.org. |
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| 15:53.38 | Lanz | karpinc: more users here |
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| 15:54.51 | karlpinc | Lanz: Yes. Which can be good and bad. Most experts are in both. |
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| 15:56.55 | nsadmin2 | Lanz, your defensive comment suggests you know crossppsting is annoying |
| 15:58.42 | ompaul | Lanz: are you going to address twobitsprite or nsadmin2 or just leave your question lying there in deep space fourteen doing nothing else? |
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| 15:58.59 | nsadmin2 | he doesn't need to address me |
| 15:59.28 | ompaul | there be that but your suggestion is interesting enough to ack |
| 15:59.31 | nsadmin2 | oh, other than my on-topic comment about installing stable |
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| 15:59.44 | jelly-home | to be fair to volunteers, it's probably best to ask in just one place when multiple venues are available. After exhausting all options in that place, select the other one, but now with a refined query and lots more relevant data |
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| 16:00.05 | Lanz | Found this: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ASUS/P8P67-Pro/ |
| 16:00.15 | Lanz | Any ideas about getting an image with 2.6.38 on it? |
| 16:00.21 | jelly-home | -- saves time for the second forum people not to have to reask same questions |
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| 16:00.37 | nsadmin2 | Lanz, do you need that to install? |
| 16:00.52 | Lanz | I thin perhaps I may |
| 16:00.57 | jelly-home | Lanz: heh, questions like yours make me kind of glad I got a machine that doesn't have latest hardware |
| 16:00.57 | Lanz | I'm googling around... |
| 16:01.07 | Lanz | Yeah jelly I'm usually cautious of it haha |
| 16:01.08 | nsadmin2 | so whatg's the root problem? |
| 16:01.24 | Lanz | That I'm not sure of, nsadmin2 |
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| 16:01.46 | Lanz | Trying an iso of squeeze |
| 16:01.53 | nsadmin2 | what happens when you try installing that? |
| 16:01.55 | Lanz | Perhaps the first was just a bad image |
| 16:01.59 | jelly-home | Lanz: do you have a screenshot of the kernel panic? Does it happen with both 32bit and 64bit installers? With Debian 6.0 installer? |
| 16:02.40 | Lanz | Yeah Squeeze managed to load the installer, thanks guy |
| 16:02.42 | Lanz | s |
| 16:02.46 | Lanz | I guess it was just a bad image |
| 16:03.01 | Lanz | Heck it happens with the daily built, I probably shoulda tried that before I even asked you all |
| 16:03.06 | Lanz | Thanks anyway |
| 16:03.22 | Lanz | I'll build a copy of 2.6.39rc4 later on and it should have near full support |
| 16:04.17 | nsadmin2 | right, as long as you can install (support for your disk controller, kbd/mouse, possibly network), you don't need a special install kernel |
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| 16:07.51 | jelly-home | ,versions clementine |
| 16:07.53 | judd | Package clementine on i386 -- squeeze-multimedia: 0.5.3-1.3; sid-multimedia: 0.7.1-0.1 |
| 16:08.21 | twobitsprite | Lanz: would you mind trying a reburn of the testing build and if it fails again filing a bug? |
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| 16:09.21 | Lanz | Sure, twobitsprite |
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| 16:09.35 | twobitsprite | awesome, thanks |
| 16:09.35 | Lanz | I'll try later on in the day when they build another image |
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| 16:14.23 | pyro_ | i have a really strange problem with alsa |
| 16:14.26 | pyro_ | everything worked fine |
| 16:14.28 | pyro_ | then i rebooted |
| 16:14.33 | pyro_ | and sound does not work anymore |
| 16:14.36 | itchi | Hi all, is that "cgroups" (aka 200 kernel lines patch) aplied on debian? |
| 16:14.53 | pyro_ | /proc/asound/cards lists my soundcard, aplay -L also, but there is no sound |
| 16:14.58 | pyro_ | tested it with aplay |
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| 16:15.39 | twobitsprite | pyro_: was this a fresh install? i.e., is this the first time you've rebooted the system? |
| 16:15.42 | pyro_ | when i want to play a track with rhythmbox, it says "jack server is not running or cannot be started" and "cannot connect to server socket" |
| 16:15.48 | pyro_ | twobitsprite, no, i rebooted several times |
| 16:15.50 | cahoot | unmute it - run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 16:15.53 | pyro_ | but installed it the last day |
| 16:15.58 | devhell | uh.. |
| 16:16.02 | devhell | jack? |
| 16:16.05 | devhell | do you need jack? |
| 16:16.09 | pyro_ | no oO |
| 16:16.12 | pyro_ | never used it before |
| 16:16.16 | pyro_ | never installed anything like it |
| 16:16.19 | pyro_ | and sound worked before |
| 16:16.31 | unixSnob | is debian doing something unusual with shared libraries? /usr/lib is not listed in any of the files in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf |
| 16:16.33 | itchi | I found some cgroups packages, not even installed, so i assum it isn't active |
| 16:16.38 | devhell | what did you install prior to the sound not working? |
| 16:16.49 | pyro_ | /etc/init.d/alsa-utils didn't work |
| 16:17.09 | cahoot | didn't work? error or just no effect? |
| 16:17.10 | pyro_ | it was a tool called "e4rat" |
| 16:17.16 | pyro_ | just no effect |
| 16:17.44 | pyro_ | im currently using e4rat, which replaces init with another tool which then calls init |
| 16:17.44 | cahoot | the card in question is card0? |
| 16:17.49 | pyro_ | eh, yes |
| 16:17.54 | devhell | pyro_: I can't find it in the repo's.. where did you install it from? |
| 16:18.07 | pyro_ | http://e4rat.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:18.15 | pyro_ | just installed the .deb |
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| 16:19.09 | twobitsprite | sounds like you need to configure it to start up alsa... but it's not debian so I'm not sure who here will know how to do thta |
| 16:19.28 | lvh | Hi! |
| 16:20.08 | lvh | I'm grooming a debian box in a virtual machine (qemu-kvm). Is extracting those images on to real boxes supported? are there any problems I should be aware of? |
| 16:20.10 | pyro_ | twobitsprite, hm, u think init is responsible for starting alsa? |
| 16:20.20 | pyro_ | the modules are all loaded |
| 16:20.38 | twobitsprite | pyro_: well... init runs the init script, and you replaced init with something else and now it doesn't work... |
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| 16:20.59 | pyro_ | yes, but the replacement calls init afterwards |
| 16:21.13 | pyro_ | its just something like readahead, which reads files from disk to start up bootingh |
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| 16:21.32 | devhell | pyro_: did you install anything else prior to the sound issue than e4rat? |
| 16:21.48 | twobitsprite | pyro_: rebooting didn't cause any problems before, then you install this other thing that changes the way the boot process works, and now rebooting causes also to stop working... sound pretty cut and dry to me |
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| 16:22.22 | pyro_ | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/376403/ |
| 16:22.26 | pyro_ | here is some more information |
| 16:22.37 | pyro_ | twobitsprite, thats true |
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| 16:23.26 | pyro_ | i installed cups and eclipse before that |
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| 16:23.33 | pyro_ | i will just reboot and try it without e4rat |
| 16:23.43 | pyro_ | brb |
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| 16:25.32 | devhell | pyro_: and? |
| 16:25.34 | pyro_ | hmmm, no effect |
| 16:26.02 | devhell | pyro_: what else did you install before your issue? |
| 16:26.45 | P_Kable | Hello Debianers, I wanna try debian on my alienware but when I boot the live I get a black screen after a while and it stays that way until I reboot it |
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| 16:27.16 | P_Kable | Any help would be really welcome |
| 16:27.19 | itchi | P_Kable: check about noapic and nolapic |
| 16:27.32 | P_Kable | itchi: Ok I try this now |
| 16:27.47 | pyro_ | i installed eclipse with a lot of java stuff |
| 16:28.26 | pyro_ | and i think wine |
| 16:28.38 | devhell | pyro_: so you haven't installed anything sound related? |
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| 16:28.46 | pyro_ | but im not sure if i installed wine before sound didnt work anymore |
| 16:28.51 | pyro_ | devhell, not really |
| 16:29.09 | devhell | pyro_: try to uninstall jack.. see what apt want's get rid of.. |
| 16:29.20 | devhell | s/want's/wants |
| 16:29.21 | P_Kable | itchi: booting the failsafe option right now, but I installed it using GUI install option and I have the same, though it installed without any trouble, but still get the black screen |
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| 16:29.33 | pyro_ | hm, jack is not installed here |
| 16:29.40 | KarateKip3 | Hallow! I am configuring a firewall and I would like to know: (1) list of ports that are open etc (2) how to open a certain port |
| 16:29.41 | P_Kable | seems like a driver issue ... |
| 16:29.42 | pyro_ | is there any option, where one can disable jack? |
| 16:29.43 | twisted` | hi I'm tryin to boot debian using grub-efi from efi. it works but it fails on sata! it's trying to use a specific sata driver (for the MCP89 chipset). how do I force from a boot parameter to use the ata_generic? |
| 16:30.22 | cahoot | pyro_: possibly via an option in /etc/default |
| 16:30.49 | devhell | pyro_: uhm.. rythmbox is trying to start jack.. have you tried playing some of your music in a terminal using mplayer for example? |
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| 16:30.56 | itchi | P_Kable: i need to go eat right now, sorry |
| 16:31.06 | P_Kable | itchi: enjoy |
| 16:31.07 | pyro_ | devhell, i tried the test sounds in /usr/share/sounds/alsa with aplay |
| 16:31.27 | devhell | pyro_: what does alsamixer say? |
| 16:31.29 | pyro_ | mplayer says this: |
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| 16:31.30 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
| 16:31.31 | pyro_ | mplayer: could not connect to socket |
| 16:31.31 | pyro_ | mplayer: No such file or directory |
| 16:31.40 | P_Kable | Ok, failsafe booted but it's ugly |
| 16:31.50 | pyro_ | oh wtf |
| 16:32.00 | cahoot | pyro_: (as root) fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
| 16:32.09 | pyro_ | hm |
| 16:32.12 | P_Kable | Now I want to boot on the drive where the install is and avoid the black screen, how can I do ? |
| 16:32.16 | pyro_ | in alsamixer everything is unmuted |
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| 16:32.41 | pyro_ | zsh: no matches found: /dev/dsp* |
| 16:32.53 | P_Kable | please |
| 16:33.34 | pyro_ | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/376410/ |
| 16:34.01 | cahoot | looks fine |
| 16:34.16 | devhell | pyro_: what does dpkg -l "*jack*" give you? |
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| 16:34.32 | P_Kable | Anyone to show me the way please ? |
| 16:35.14 | pyro_ | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/376413/ |
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| 16:36.03 | pyro_ | u think its libjack-jackd2-0 ? |
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| 16:37.45 | devhell | pyro_: no. |
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| 16:38.16 | devhell | pyro_: do you have any other soundfiles on your computer other than the alsa sounds? |
| 16:38.33 | pyro_ | yes, mp3 and flac |
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| 16:39.01 | cahoot | pyro_: could you put the output of amixer scontents on a pastebin? |
| 16:39.31 | pyro_ | mh, how can i output it to a file? its a ncurses based program |
| 16:39.37 | pyro_ | ah, you mean amixer |
| 16:39.57 | siyb | why does my .Xmodmap config not work after upgrading x: http://paste.geekosphere.org/z2zb (version of x and x11 utils included in paste) |
| 16:40.10 | pyro_ | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/376417/ |
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| 16:42.03 | cahoot | pyro_: seems unmuted alright, try alsa force-reload as root, then speaker-test -t wav -c2 |
| 16:42.38 | zgedneil | siyb: does adding "clear Mod2" help? |
| 16:42.45 | siyb | zgedneil: let me check |
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| 16:43.02 | pyro_ | hm, no effect |
| 16:43.19 | siyb | zgedneil: unfortunatly not :( |
| 16:43.29 | zgedneil | siyb: how does it not work, neither key does anything? |
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| 16:43.31 | devhell | pyro_: I know this seems silly, but are you sure everything is plugged in ok and the external volume is up? |
| 16:43.59 | siyb | zgedneil: altleft and capslock still have their usual functionality |
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| 16:44.17 | P_Kable | Anyone running debian 6.01 on an Alienware 9750 ? |
| 16:44.56 | siyb | zgedneil: franky i wouldn't mind to emulate the behaviour using setxkbmap, but until now i just managed to clear caps |
| 16:44.57 | pyro_ | devhell, i just checked it with my portable phone |
| 16:45.08 | pyro_ | i did an strace on mplayer playing a flac file |
| 16:45.11 | zgedneil | siyb: maybe "clear Mod1" needs to go up the top? |
| 16:45.18 | pyro_ | seems as if mplayer wants to open a pulse-socket |
| 16:45.18 | daemonkeeper | dpkg: tell P_Kable about anyone |
| 16:45.30 | pyro_ | stat("/tmp/pulse-pyro", 0x7fffd752ceb0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 16:45.34 | cahoot | pyro_: try toggle IEC958 in alsamixer, then speaker-test again |
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| 16:46.15 | siyb | zgedneil: no effect. it strikes me that it used to work for years and broke when i updated X |
| 16:46.30 | siyb | according to the manpage there is nothing wrong |
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| 16:47.03 | zgedneil | siyb: it's possible the keycodes have changed, have you checked that? |
| 16:47.30 | pyro_ | cahoot: no effect |
| 16:47.31 | siyb | zgedneil: first thing i checked, still the same |
| 16:48.53 | bzed | P_Kable: chances are good. not sure how well SLI works with the non-free driver, though. never had a reason to use SLI, especiallt not in a notebook |
| 16:48.53 | zgedneil | siyb: are you sure .Xmodmap is still being read? |
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| 16:49.18 | P_Kable | bzed: I only have one GC |
| 16:49.22 | P_Kable | no SLI |
| 16:49.33 | siyb | zgedneil: i am using xmodmap -verbose .Xmodmap manually now, so yes ;) |
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| 16:49.47 | bzed | P_Kable: if you have the notebook already, just drop a grml cd or debian live into it and see if the basics work. |
| 16:49.53 | himmelstrutz | I've got a ATI Technologies Inc RV380 [Radeon X600] - and would like to use the proprietary to be able to watch full screen flash-movies online. I'm running Squeeze, with 2.6.32-5-686-kernel. But,,, I hade some problems, and wasn't able to load any modules - even that I followed the steps given at wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
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| 16:50.17 | bzed | P_Kable: chances are good that the graphics stuff works properly with the driver from non-free |
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| 16:50.29 | P_Kable | bzed: I did and only the failsafe live option works, but it's ugly |
| 16:51.03 | bzed | P_Kable: yeh, the non-free stuff is not included in live... |
| 16:51.11 | bzed | !nvidia |
| 16:51.11 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:51.34 | P_Kable | why is it not included ? |
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| 16:51.59 | devhell | pyro_: sorry, I'm a little stuck right now. |
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| 16:52.35 | P_Kable | bzed: the system is installed but I get black screen during boot, how could I fix this pls ? |
| 16:53.07 | zgedneil | siyb: which versions did you upgrade from, pretty recent? |
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| 16:53.17 | pyro_ | hmm |
| 16:53.45 | bzed | !tell P_Kable about non-free |
| 16:53.58 | P_Kable | I can't even get to a prompt ! |
| 16:54.02 | P_Kable | insane |
| 16:54.07 | siyb | zgedneil: that i can't recall ... |
| 16:54.12 | P_Kable | alt+ctrl+f1 = NADA |
| 16:54.17 | siyb | but it must have been 2-3 release before the current |
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| 16:54.56 | P_Kable | trying recovery mode... |
| 16:55.02 | pyro_ | the only sound things which were installed in the last time are "libpulse-mainloop-glib0" and "libpulse0" |
| 16:55.04 | bzed | P_Kable: boot with nouveau.modeset=0 as kernel option |
| 16:55.25 | P_Kable | after quiet ? bzed |
| 16:55.27 | bzed | P_Kable: then add non-free to your sources list as decribed in the nvidia article in the wiki I linked you to |
| 16:55.31 | bzed | P_Kable: yes |
| 16:55.37 | P_Kable | ok I try that |
| 16:55.39 | ion_ | how can I see the list of gcc library for C |
| 16:55.40 | P_Kable | thanks |
| 16:55.53 | bzed | P_Kable: and then install the nvidia-kernel packages as described in the wiki, too |
| 16:56.01 | P_Kable | sure |
| 16:56.08 | bzed | that should work |
| 16:56.23 | devhell | pyro_: try to uninstall anything pulse and jack related.. see what apt wants to get rid of and try that. |
| 16:57.24 | P_Kable | booting with nouveau.modeset=0 |
| 16:57.36 | siyb | zgedneil: i am not sure weather i should file a bugreport |
| 16:57.45 | pyro_ | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/376426/ |
| 16:57.55 | P_Kable | oh gosh, that's ugly but it boots ;) |
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| 16:58.49 | devhell | pyro_: ok.. no. You don't want that. |
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| 16:59.07 | P_Kable | bzed: I don't need any change to sources.list to install the driver ? |
| 16:59.21 | bzed | P_Kable: did you read the wiki article? |
| 16:59.28 | P_Kable | reqding now |
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| 17:00.05 | zgedneil | siyb: if you think it's a bug you probably should, there doesn't seem to be any similar bug reported at the moment |
| 17:00.24 | bzed | P_Kable: my recommended way is to add non-free and contrib to the lines in your sources.list (if they ar enot there yet) |
| 17:00.31 | bzed | P_Kable: and then install nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 17:00.33 | bzed | !nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 17:00.36 | siyb | zgedneil: i know, but i don't want to make a fool out of myself |
| 17:00.39 | bzed | !nvidia-dkms |
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| 17:00.42 | P_Kable | ok thanks |
| 17:00.45 | siyb | zgedneil: i am doing some more research |
| 17:00.46 | bzed | !nvidia dkms |
| 17:00.46 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>. |
| 17:00.50 | bzed | P_Kable: ^ |
| 17:00.54 | zgedneil | siyb: personally I think it's more likely your config happened to work before and it's e.g. more strict than it used to be and suddenly it stops working :-) but I really don't know |
| 17:00.56 | P_Kable | ;) |
| 17:00.57 | devhell | pyro_: also silly, but try to play something like flac or mp3 with mplayer in the console and turn the volume up by pressing 0. |
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| 17:01.28 | pyro_ | hm, Volume is 100% |
| 17:01.42 | zgedneil | siyb: all I can say is I have a caps-lock-redefining setup which still works with the current version, but it's doing something different so I doubt it'd help |
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| 17:02.07 | devhell | pyro_: is mplayer playing the file but no sound coming out of the speakers? |
| 17:02.08 | pyro_ | hm, i also noticed, that i hear sometimes a small noise from the loudspeakers |
| 17:02.33 | pyro_ | well, it seems to play it |
| 17:02.37 | siyb | zgedneil: do you mind pasting your config for me so that i can try |
| 17:02.38 | siyb | ? |
| 17:02.41 | pyro_ | but obviously, mplayer wants to connect to pulse |
| 17:02.56 | pyro_ | AO: [pulse] Init failed: Internal error |
| 17:02.56 | pyro_ | Failed to initialize audio driver 'pulse' |
| 17:02.56 | pyro_ | AO: [alsa] 48000Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample) |
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| 17:03.21 | devhell | pyro_: are you sure you plugged the cable in the right output of your soundcard? have mplayer play something while you re-plug the cable in the different soundcard outputs. |
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| 17:04.14 | pyro_ | devhell, i tested all outputs |
| 17:04.56 | pyro_ | what a strange behaviour |
| 17:05.01 | pyro_ | never saw something like that before |
| 17:05.57 | devhell | pyro_: when was the last time it worked? |
| 17:06.15 | pyro_ | well, it was definitely this day |
| 17:06.21 | pyro_ | i installed debian testing this morning |
| 17:06.23 | pyro_ | sound worked fine |
| 17:06.26 | zgedneil | siyb: http://pastebin.com/p2ECVikZ |
| 17:06.32 | pyro_ | then i did some reboots etc. |
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| 17:06.34 | siyb | zgedneil: cheers |
| 17:06.40 | pyro_ | and when i came back to computer, sound didn work |
| 17:06.50 | devhell | pyro_: ? |
| 17:06.58 | zgedneil | siyb: I really doubt it'll help :-) |
| 17:07.09 | pyro_ | well, i was afk, and i think sound worked still, when i left |
| 17:07.16 | pyro_ | and when i came back, it didnt work anymore |
| 17:07.20 | torrancew | pyro_: run any updates after installing, or did you do a netinstall? |
| 17:07.33 | siyb | zgedneil: hehe jep, it doesn't. i will look for xmodmap alternatives ... maybe igen |
| 17:07.36 | pyro_ | netinstall |
| 17:08.04 | zgedneil | siyb: I suppose it does go straight for the modifier rather than going through the keysym, have you tried that? |
| 17:08.48 | zgedneil | I think ISO_Level3_Shift is the same type of thing as Mod1 etc. |
| 17:08.48 | siyb | zgedneil: according to -verbose it executes every line |
| 17:08.57 | zgedneil | siyb: that's not what I'm saying |
| 17:09.17 | devhell | pyro_: so after the netinstall you updated? |
| 17:09.30 | zgedneil | there could be some reason why a direct approach is working while your less direct one doesn't |
| 17:09.45 | zgedneil | it's potentially still a bug |
| 17:09.47 | siyb | zgedneil: ahh get you now, ok will try that first |
| 17:09.51 | zgedneil | but this could be a workaround :-) |
| 17:10.11 | pyro_ | devhell, what u mean? "aptitude update" or "aptitude upgrade"? |
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| 17:10.22 | pyro_ | after installation i just installed software (xorg, gnome etc.) |
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| 17:13.35 | devhell | pyro_: sorry, I'm out of ideas because I really don't know what exactly you did to your machine.. |
| 17:13.54 | pyro_ | hm, i understand |
| 17:13.56 | pyro_ | thanks for your help |
| 17:14.04 | pyro_ | the problem is: i dont really know myself, what i did |
| 17:15.01 | devhell | pyro_: I know this is stupid and not really good style, but if it's not too much of a loss it might be best to just re-install. |
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| 17:15.39 | pyro_ | hm, i will think about it.. |
| 17:15.48 | pyro_ | i just try to reboot again and see if i can find something in BIOS or so |
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| 17:20.35 | pyro_ | o_O |
| 17:20.37 | pyro_ | sound works |
| 17:20.41 | pyro_ | and i have absolutely no idea, what i did ^^ |
| 17:20.55 | devhell | pyro_: well.. what did you do? ;) |
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| 17:21.01 | pyro_ | i changed "Onboard HD Audio" from "Auto" to "Enabled" |
| 17:21.15 | devhell | pyro_: bummer.. but good for you! :D |
| 17:21.18 | pyro_ | and then turned off the computer |
| 17:21.27 | devhell | pyro_: congrats! |
| 17:21.30 | pyro_ | for 30 secs or so with no power |
| 17:21.44 | pyro_ | perhaps it was a hardware failure and powering off helps |
| 17:21.52 | pyro_ | *is happy again* |
| 17:22.41 | devhell | pyro_: good, have fun. :D |
| 17:22.48 | zgedneil | maybe the auto isn't very auto :-) |
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| 17:31.43 | skduufh | I would like to stop directadmin and restart it again, but i get a FAILED message when i do this: service directadmin stop |
| 17:31.49 | skduufh | how to solve this problem? |
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| 17:32.32 | skduufh | same thing when i do: service directadmin restart (it will say FAILED to stop, and that it succeeded to start) |
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| 17:33.25 | sickgut | hi |
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| 17:35.18 | sickgut | i have one question, i know you can have xorg x server and you can have the vesa only one. if the vesa only one s till the same program as xorg but making it load a vesa driver? or is there a smaller vesa only x server that is standalone? |
| 17:36.20 | sickgut | at the present time i want all GPU's to use the vesa only as i am making a usb stick with debian on it and will use it on different computers |
| 17:36.52 | sickgut | already have converted my fstab and mtap to use disk labels rather then disk device names so it works on all puters no matter what drive setup they have |
| 17:36.58 | sickgut | next is the x server |
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| 17:37.29 | sickgut | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:38.29 | lars_ | hi |
| 17:40.39 | sickgut | xserver-xfbdev i think this is what i need |
| 17:40.41 | sickgut | hi |
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| 17:49.48 | simonlnu | sickgut: there is no separate vesa server or whatever. that hasn't been the case for years. you can load the vesa driver instead of whatever it's loading right now. |
| 17:50.25 | sickgut | the kdrive one |
| 17:50.30 | sickgut | ive found what i wan t now |
| 17:51.04 | sickgut | xserver-xfbdev <------ kdrive based with vesa only and it less than 2mb :) |
| 17:51.44 | dvs | that's the framebuffer driver |
| 17:51.50 | sickgut | yep |
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| 17:55.40 | siyb | zgedneil: using xkb now, seems much more flexible and works for me, thanks for your help hbtw |
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| 18:04.04 | robblesz | if "aptitude search ~i ~E" shows me all essential & installed packages, how do I search for all non-essential & installed packages? |
| 18:05.47 | robblesz | hm, no, that doesn't do what I want |
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| 18:16.37 | nsadmin2 | is it possible to rebuild a ttf font when the only source is a ttf font? |
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| 18:17.18 | slipperz | hi |
| 18:17.38 | slipperz | I have a linksys wireless card, broadcom 4301 chipset I believe |
| 18:17.54 | slipperz | I downloaded the b43legacy package |
| 18:18.02 | slipperz | and installed it |
| 18:18.05 | slipperz | but yet I still get |
| 18:18.30 | slipperz | SIOCSIFFLAGS: Unknown error 132 |
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| 18:18.39 | slipperz | when I try to do sudo ifconfig wlan0 up |
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| 18:29.57 | jeward | I'm trying to develop a bare metal restore proceedure using a PXE booted rescue image. The tar in busybox barfs: tar: invalid tar magic Is there another/better way? |
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| 18:30.37 | jeward | I guess I'll have to use a Live CD of some sort. |
| 18:30.41 | pipeline | jeward: add real GNU tar to your rescue image |
| 18:30.55 | pipeline | jeward: GNU tar doesn't have many dependencies, it's just unnecessary bulk for most purposes |
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| 18:31.01 | jeward | pipeline... I could copy it over using netcat... |
| 18:31.07 | pipeline | jeward: in fact it shouldn't even be very difficult to create a static gnu tar |
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| 18:31.30 | jeward | pipeline: But the default one probably isn't static? |
| 18:31.46 | jeward | tries it real quick. |
| 18:31.51 | pipeline | jeward: no, it's not static by default. It may or may not run in your rescue image, I couldn't tell you. |
| 18:31.56 | pipeline | jeward: ldd /bin/tar :) |
| 18:33.12 | jeward | Oh, it's using a few things. |
| 18:33.43 | pipeline | jeward: yeah but most of those things are very standard boring libraries |
| 18:33.44 | jeward | Hmm, seems to run though? |
| 18:33.56 | jeward | tries a restore.. |
| 18:34.41 | jeward | Holy cow, that seems to be working! |
| 18:35.14 | jeward | One weird thing though is, when tar is running through netcat it seems to hang indefinitely at the end? |
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| 18:35.45 | jeward | The last file seems to be intact. |
| 18:35.50 | jeward | Just concerning. |
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| 18:41.53 | xdexter | Hello, I'm having trouble setting up Linux-based, it must be something with the UUID perl module, Configuring linux-base (2.6.32-31) ... |
| 18:41.53 | xdexter | Can not load '/ usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1/auto/UUID/UUID.so' module is UUID: / usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1/auto/UUID/UUID.so : undefined symbol: Perl_Tcurpad_ptr at / usr/lib/perl/5.10/DynaLoader.pm line 192. |
| 18:42.12 | g00se | nsadmin2: Not quite sure how watch would help, but maybe i'm missing something |
| 18:42.25 | xdexter | can someone help ? |
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| 18:43.16 | nsadmin2 | watch + ps == top |
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| 18:45.33 | nsadmin2 | xdexter is there really a space between / and usr in the output? |
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| 18:46.24 | xdexter | nsadmin, no no, it was error in the digitization |
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| 18:46.39 | buharin | how to make coloring terminal? |
| 18:46.53 | nsadmin2 | so it actually reads ... '/usr...? |
| 18:47.41 | g00se | nsadmin2: Yes, i see. I just need to find out how to do the parent + all children in ps |
| 18:48.13 | xdexter | hm do not know, this is when I'm installing the linux-base, have already installed the module on cpan UUID and the error persists |
| 18:48.18 | xdexter | nsadmin, |
| 18:48.44 | Bushmills | g00se: check out htop - it supports tree arrangement, similar to -f option with px |
| 18:48.48 | Bushmills | ps |
| 18:49.11 | g00se | Bushmills: Thanks - will do |
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| 18:49.20 | Fisherman | Hi |
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| 18:49.58 | Fisherman | I want to start offlineimap as a daemon but I don't know how. I have tried putting it in crontab, but then I get mails about offlineimap is already running |
| 18:50.45 | thepro4ever | how do i clear the autocomplete in iceweasel? |
| 18:50.49 | nsadmin2 | Fisherman, start it only once, evidently that should be enough |
| 18:51.06 | Fisherman | nsadmin2: How should I do that? :) |
| 18:52.00 | xdexter | nsadmin, know what can be? |
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| 18:57.55 | nsadmin2 | Fisherman, let;s see, you can first write a script similar to ones you can find in /etc/init.d |
| 18:58.21 | nsadmin2 | then you can arrange for it to start at boot with update-rc.d |
| 18:58.45 | nsadmin2 | also, in /etc/init.d, see README and skeleton |
| 18:58.52 | Fisherman | what about this, in crontab: if ! pgrep offlineimap; then exec offlineimap; fi |
| 18:59.44 | nsadmin2 | is there any specific reason for it to stop running? have you noticed it failing/stopping? |
| 18:59.55 | Fisherman | what? |
| 19:00.08 | Fisherman | no, I have not yet seen it stop running |
| 19:00.34 | nsadmin2 | ok, so do you want it to always be running as long as the machine is? |
| 19:00.35 | bzed | Fisherman: you use flock |
| 19:00.36 | Fisherman | but I have not tried running it for very long (i saw on arch wiki that it sometimes crashes if there's problems with the connection) |
| 19:00.46 | Fisherman | nsadmin2: yes |
| 19:00.54 | Fisherman | bzed: is that a question? |
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| 19:01.02 | bzed | Fisherman: *just use.. |
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| 19:01.39 | dr_traktor | If I want to set up a proxy for Firefox is squid a good choice? |
| 19:01.48 | dr_traktor | Oh yes, authenticated proxy. |
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| 19:02.20 | g00se | Bushmills: fyi i'm trying to monitor chromium-browser. Its operational strength is a monitoring weakness |
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| 19:02.30 | thepro4ever | how do i turn off the autocomplete in iceweasel? |
| 19:02.42 | g00se | thinks i'll use its own tools |
| 19:02.42 | dr_traktor | I don't need caching. |
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| 19:03.28 | g00se | Thanks folks |
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| 19:07.20 | psysine | is there any package that contains manpages for the C++ STL? |
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| 19:12.28 | ksx4system | how do I edit debian menu in XFCE? |
| 19:12.33 | ksx4system | Debian * |
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| 19:12.56 | thepro4ever | how do i turn off the autocomplete in iceweasel? |
| 19:13.26 | xdexter | /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 19:14.38 | ksx4system | xdexter: erm... i didn't mean grub menu. there was some tool to edit menu structure for most GUIs (like LXDE, XFCE and probably GNOME) |
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| 19:15.25 | deb | hello guys i''m trying to install freenx server on my debian i used this guide : http://wiki.debian.org/freenx but the i added the source to my sources.list and runned apt-get update but it seems that the mirror is offline. any suggustions? |
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| 19:15.49 | _Dave123_ | I've got a debian webserver thats only local available in a protected environment. I like to install PHPMyadmin to control my mysql databases.. Is this safe for sure, is there no way someone can steal my data? from php myadmin ? |
| 19:16.02 | _Dave123_ | If yes, how can I do this best, install php myadmin for databases |
| 19:16.29 | nsadmin | deb, find a different mirror? |
| 19:16.42 | nsadmin | , versions freenx |
| 19:16.45 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'freenx' was found in i386. |
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| 19:19.28 | thepro4ever | how do i turn off the autocomplete in iceweasel? |
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| 19:19.58 | twobitsprite | thepro4ever: you mean for web forms? |
| 19:20.34 | thepro4ever | twobitsprite: i mean when i'm typing in the address bar |
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| 19:20.45 | ompaul | thepro4ever: does this help, Go to tools>options>'Privacy' (on the top) & disable "remember what I enter in text boxes |
| 19:20.51 | twobitsprite | thepro4ever: do you care if firefox remembers your history? |
| 19:21.01 | twobitsprite | s/firefox/iceweasel/g |
| 19:21.20 | thepro4ever | not for iceweasel no, there is no tools->options-> Privacy, there is an edit->preferences in which i turned all that shit off but it still does the autocompletion |
| 19:21.29 | ompaul | meh that was |
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| 19:21.39 | xdexter | nsadmin, now error: UUID object version 0.02 does not match bootstrap parameter 0.03 at /usr/lib/perl/5.10/DynaLoader.pm line 215. help? |
| 19:21.50 | thepro4ever | twobitsprite: i don't care if it remembers my history, i unchecked the remember my history for x days so its not even doing it but it still autocompletes in the addressbar |
| 19:21.57 | twobitsprite | thepro4ever: you set it for "never remember history"? |
| 19:21.59 | ompaul | for the stupid platform taken from a search |
| 19:22.07 | thepro4ever | twobitsprite: yeah |
| 19:22.29 | twobitsprite | thepro4ever: it could still be looking in to your old history... click on "clear recent history" |
| 19:22.40 | thepro4ever | i did |
| 19:22.47 | ompaul | restart? |
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| 19:23.21 | thepro4ever | i shut down all my iceweasel windows and brought one back up and it still does it |
| 19:23.42 | twobitsprite | what version if iceweasel are you running? |
| 19:23.56 | thepro4ever | 3.06 |
| 19:24.15 | thepro4ever | wasn't there something i could type in the address bar to see extra config options for iceweasel? |
| 19:24.15 | ompaul | is it true you need to file and quit for the changes to work? also have you set Edit Preferences and the one at the bottom? |
| 19:24.25 | ompaul | about:config |
| 19:24.36 | thepro4ever | i did file->quit |
| 19:24.45 | twobitsprite | I'm running 3.5, so I don't know... but setting the privacy option to suggest nothing works for me |
| 19:25.03 | ompaul | there is a privacy option on the bottom about location bar |
| 19:25.15 | thepro4ever | i'll make a screenshot |
| 19:25.20 | ompaul | ok |
| 19:25.23 | twobitsprite | ompaul: I think that's in newer versions... he's running an old one |
| 19:25.27 | ompaul | ahh |
| 19:25.34 | twobitsprite | thepro4ever: which debian release are you on? |
| 19:26.44 | ompaul | twobitsprite: I guess he's gone diving into about:config |
| 19:27.02 | twobitsprite | *shrug* |
| 19:27.15 | twobitsprite | is used to offering suggestions and never getting a response :P |
| 19:27.28 | thepro4ever | ok here are my settings http://img577.imageshack.us/i/screenshotsx.png/ |
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| 19:27.42 | alias420 | can anyone help tell me where I should start looking for figuring out why my IP that I've forwarded over a GRE tunnel can send and receive request packets fine but all response packets never make it. Â I see some of them seem to be appending numbers to the last octet of my IP |
| 19:28.09 | twobitsprite | thepro4ever: which debian release are you running? |
| 19:28.24 | thepro4ever | debian lenny |
| 19:28.36 | twobitsprite | ,versions iceweasel |
| 19:28.38 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-5; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-6~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-6; sid: 3.5.18-1; wheezy: 3.5.18-1; experimental: 4.0-3 |
| 19:28.58 | twobitsprite | you should try 3.5 from lenny-backports |
| 19:29.48 | ompaul | thepro4ever: what is in the private data "settings" button |
| 19:29.57 | ompaul | can't remember back that far |
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| 19:30.57 | thepro4ever | I have everything checked in that panel |
| 19:31.35 | ompaul | thepro4ever: ok so, get the backport one or move up to squeeze ;-) |
| 19:31.42 | twobitsprite | thepro4ever: have you searched the bug tracker for that version of iceweasel in lenny? |
| 19:32.36 | twobitsprite | moving up to squeeze would be the ideal option, but if you really want to stay on lenny, and least go to lenny backports |
| 19:32.45 | twobitsprite | is lenny still getting security updates even? |
| 19:32.46 | deb | hello guys i''m trying to install freenx server on my debian i used this guide : http://wiki.debian.org/freenx but the i added the source to my sources.list and runned apt-get update but it seems that the mirror is offline. any suggustions? |
| 19:33.23 | twobitsprite | deb: as nsadmin told you last time you asked, try a different mirror |
| 19:33.45 | deb | in that guide is only one mirrir |
| 19:33.49 | jhutchins_lt | twobitsprite: Yes, lenny will get security upgdates through January of next year. |
| 19:34.11 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_lt: but on a lower priority or something, right? I forget how that works |
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| 19:34.50 | jhutchins_lt | twobitsprite: Security updates are supposed to be built for oldstable for the first year. |
| 19:35.23 | twobitsprite | right on |
| 19:35.25 | jwaters | hello, anyone use glusterfs? just setup a new distributed cluster, but when I copy a pdf to vol it is corrupted |
| 19:35.45 | ompaul | deb: freenx is not a debian package :) |
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| 19:36.04 | twobitsprite | deb: scroll down, there are a few other repos listed |
| 19:36.28 | Iridos | judd, versions mplayer2 |
| 19:36.30 | judd | Package mplayer2 on i386 -- experimental: 2.0-54-gd33877a-1 |
| 19:36.33 | Iridos | ha |
| 19:36.36 | jhutchins_lt | Although I installed squeeze/kde4 on an old P4, and I like it well enough that I think I'm going to start upgrading my lenny boxes. |
| 19:36.49 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 19:36.51 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-3); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-3); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
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| 19:43.06 | Iridos | judd, versions iotop |
| 19:43.08 | judd | Package iotop on i386 -- lenny: 0.2-3; lenny-backports: 0.4-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.4-2; sid: 0.4.3-1; wheezy: 0.4.3-1 |
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| 19:45.52 | cristi8 | hi, what's the package name for the Portal 2 game? i want to play it, but the package manager is not helping me |
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| 19:46.39 | devhell | cristi8: cool. |
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| 19:47.48 | eptalon | cristi8: what game? |
| 19:48.02 | cristi8 | portal 2 |
| 19:48.09 | cristi8 | devhell: http://codepad.org/k8KaLikL |
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| 19:49.09 | cristi8 | is drunk and trollin'.. and will stop disturbing the channel now |
| 19:49.13 | devhell | cristi8: that wasn't meant literally. |
| 19:49.37 | devhell | but thanks for the shock.. :D |
| 19:49.40 | cristi8 | btw, the package sugestions in aptitude appears twice.. is it a bug? |
| 19:49.44 | twobitsprite | lol |
| 19:50.33 | devhell | cristi8: here you go http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=12988 drinks on you. |
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| 19:51.35 | twobitsprite | grr.... why won't pxelinux find my fracking ramdisk |
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| 19:52.41 | Iridos | devhell, "bronze"? |
| 19:52.47 | blast_hardcheese | twobitsprite: Are you using gpxe? |
| 19:52.54 | Iridos | means it ran well enough with wine to make the screenshots, but not more? |
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| 19:53.22 | twobitsprite | blast_hardcheese: nope.... but don't worry, running my boot server on centos, so i'm not really looking for support in here |
| 19:53.32 | twobitsprite | just wanted to gripe |
| 19:53.40 | devhell | Iridos: don't ask me, I don't game. ;) |
| 19:53.57 | blast_hardcheese | Ah. I've been using dnsmasq for my PXE stuff for years now, it's been fantastic |
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| 19:54.29 | blast_hardcheese | I have dnsmasq serving up ~5 different distros and two different freedos images for bios upgrades on my primary netbook |
| 19:54.30 | twobitsprite | yeah, I'm stuck with this old centos box because it's the only available box on the subnet I need to netboot things on |
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| 19:55.04 | xdexter | hi, I have a problem installing the linux-base, presents the following error: UUID object version does not match bootstrap 0:02 parameter at 12:03 / usr/lib/perl/5.10/DynaLoader.pm line 215. |
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| 19:55.21 | blast_hardcheese | I've got dnsmasq set up to serve dhcp and pxe on 192.168.3.x, so when I change my laptop's ip to x.3.1, everyone can suddenly install stuff from me |
| 19:55.44 | twobitsprite | nice |
| 19:56.19 | Eftarjin | Hi. Installing testing from USB, businesscard image. It says that Packages.gz from the mirror was corrupt, so base install can not proceed. Is this a known problem? |
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| 19:56.39 | blast_hardcheese | Eftarjin: Try a different mirror? |
| 19:56.50 | Iridos | I wanted to say that |
| 19:56.58 | blast_hardcheese | Iridos: Sorry :( |
| 19:57.07 | Eftarjin | Iâll try... but I had the same with Packages.gz from the netinst iso |
| 19:57.09 | Iridos | hehe |
| 19:57.11 | blast_hardcheese | ^^ |
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| 19:58.07 | blast_hardcheese | So, how does one bootstrap a freshly installed system (created with debootstrap) when debian-keyring is an untrusted package? |
| 19:58.18 | Eftarjin | same with another mirror |
| 19:58.29 | blast_hardcheese | I got "archive-key-6.0.asc", not sure what to do to verify and/or use it |
| 19:58.45 | Eftarjin | I guess I can install stable and then upgrade, but that kinda sucks |
| 19:58.52 | blast_hardcheese | Eftarjin: amd64? |
| 19:58.55 | Eftarjin | yes |
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| 19:59.46 | blast_hardcheese | I had other problems with the amd64 installer, once I got to the partitioning menu it completely removed all knowledge of partitions on my machine, even when it was trying to partition them |
| 19:59.51 | blast_hardcheese | err, format the partitions |
| 20:00.13 | slipperz | anyone mind ssh'ing into my box and trying to fix my wireless card lol |
| 20:00.19 | blast_hardcheese | my "solution" was to download the /etch/ netinstaller |
| 20:00.20 | Eftarjin | so d-i is known to be currently broken on amd64? |
| 20:00.22 | blast_hardcheese | it sucked. |
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| 20:00.33 | blast_hardcheese | At least according to me, yes. ymmv |
| 20:00.43 | blast_hardcheese | slipperz: What's broken about it? |
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| 20:01.04 | slipperz | Linksys WMP11 v2.7 802.11b Wireless-B PCI Adapter <---- tried b43legacy, i failed |
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| 20:01.10 | slipperz | it refuses to go up |
| 20:01.14 | Iridos | and do not ask something like that if you don'T want a new shiny backdoor in your system |
| 20:01.18 | slipperz | just stays down/disabled |
| 20:01.18 | blast_hardcheese | Oh, I hate those |
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| 20:01.54 | slipperz | hey if the wireless works, i'll take the backdoor lol |
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| 20:02.49 | Iridos | Eftarjin, no... you can check the bts... there are installation reports |
| 20:03.01 | Iridos | sadly there are installation reports since the dawn of time |
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| 20:05.09 | blast_hardcheese | oh bleh |
| 20:05.21 | Allanis | Heya, I am wondering if someone can give me a hint on a little problem I am having with my display setup. I recently purchased a new monitor (1280x1024) and my monitor is (1366x768), so I get this: http://saracraft.net/desktopImage.png The mouse curser etc traverses below the task bar. The script I use for my monitors can be seen in this image. Thanks. |
| 20:06.13 | blast_hardcheese | The solution to my problem was to change what apt was pointing to from stable to oldstable, since debootstrap apparently installed the keys for oldstable. Now I'm installing debian-keyring, and I'll upgrade up to stable then through to testing |
| 20:06.17 | digilink | has the behavior of /etc/motd changed with squeeze? specifically I'd like to get rid of it/replace it with something else and in the past I've edited /etc/bootmisc.sh but I no longer see a reference to it thereâ¦. ? |
| 20:06.47 | twobitsprite | digilink: isn't /etc/motd just a text file which is spewed out when log in? |
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| 20:07.07 | dikdik | http://i.imgur.com/iG6zK.jpg |
| 20:07.15 | digilink | twonitsprite: yes, but it gets reverted back to defaults when rebooted |
| 20:07.22 | digilink | so any changes you make dont stick :( |
| 20:07.23 | blast_hardcheese | digilink: grep /etc for /var/run/motd |
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| 20:07.39 | dikdik | http://i.imgur.com/iG6zK.jpg |
| 20:07.48 | blast_hardcheese | apparently /etc/init.d/bootlogs is what creates motd now |
| 20:07.56 | digilink | ahh |
| 20:08.09 | sh4rm4 | i need to get gcc 4.5 on a lenny installation... what is the preferred way of doing that ? |
| 20:08.24 | sh4rm4 | preferably pre-compiled |
| 20:08.26 | twobitsprite | digilink: ahh, man motd says it's regenerated based on /etc/motd.tail |
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| 20:08.40 | digilink | blast_hardcheese thanks :) |
| 20:08.45 | blast_hardcheese | digilink: No prob :) |
| 20:09.27 | blast_hardcheese | gar. 150kb/s is sooooo slow |
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| 20:11.20 | Eftarjin | blast_hardcheese: try 20 kb/s |
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| 20:11.57 | Kaimei | how to create htpasswd without installing apache2 ? |
| 20:12.22 | dr_traktor | Using ssh tunneling I get the following messages: "channel 24: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed". Is this a problem? What might be causing this? |
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| 20:12.59 | Iridos | you're trying to tunnel < port 1024? |
| 20:13.15 | karlpinc | dr_traktor: What was the ssh command? |
| 20:13.22 | dr_traktor | ssh -N -D 0.0.0.0:1080 localhost |
| 20:13.40 | Iridos | so wtf is -N |
| 20:13.48 | dr_traktor | No idea. |
| 20:13.56 | Iridos | oh, alright |
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| 20:14.12 | Iridos | so wtf is -D :-P |
| 20:14.13 | Eftarjin | -N means do not execute a shell or a command |
| 20:14.21 | Iridos | I never used that... -L or -R it is |
| 20:14.28 | karlpinc | Iridos: Me too. |
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| 20:14.33 | dr_traktor | Iridos: man says: blabla ... This is useful for just forwarding ports (protocol version 2 only). |
| 20:14.38 | dr_traktor | Iridos: Thats for -N |
| 20:14.44 | Eftarjin | -D is setup Dynamic tunneling (a SOCKS proxy) |
| 20:14.48 | karlpinc | Iridos: -D seems to be dynamic, any port. |
| 20:14.54 | Iridos | I looked up -N... that's easy... |
| 20:15.06 | Iridos | karlpinc, yeah... I don't really understand that, though :) |
| 20:15.10 | karlpinc | Iridos: No. I'm wrong. |
| 20:15.42 | dr_traktor | Iridos: -D is for acting like a SOCKS server? I think. |
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| 20:15.44 | karlpinc | Iridos: Ah, as Eftarjin says, it listens and then forwards. A proxy. |
| 20:16.12 | dr_traktor | I am in fact trying to use it as a socks proxy. |
| 20:16.17 | Iridos | I don't think I ever used a SOCKS server either, though |
| 20:16.24 | karlpinc | dr_traktor: Could be /etc/ssh/sshd_config prohibits forwarding. |
| 20:16.27 | Iridos | err s/server/proxy/ |
| 20:17.12 | dr_traktor | Iridos: Whats that? |
| 20:17.23 | karlpinc | dr_traktor: (Or one of those config files.) Probably ssh_config on the local host. |
| 20:17.27 | dr_traktor | karlpinc: Probably. It works though at first look. |
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| 20:17.45 | dr_traktor | I can watch pages more or less no problem with Firefox using the server as a socks proxy. |
| 20:17.52 | Iridos | dr_traktor, I just meant I should have said SOCKS proxy, not SOCKS server |
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| 20:19.52 | dr_traktor | Well, maybe I should try to use Dante. |
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| 20:19.56 | Eftarjin | gave up on installing testing from usb. stable is installing now, Iâll upgrade after that |
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| 20:20.38 | karlpinc | dr_traktor: Google says: You need to set 'GatewayPorts' to 'yes' in your 'sshd_config' file. I'm going to need to rtfm on that. I wonder why it works? |
| 20:20.59 | Iridos | what's the default? on or off? |
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| 20:24.48 | Hans_Henrik | ah first time doing manual partition setup, and question, i have 1 physical disk, and 1 ext4 fs, "primary partition". now i wanna add a swap area, should the swap be "primary" or "logical" ? |
| 20:24.59 | karlpinc | Iridos: off. Seems to be whether the outside is allowed to initiate connections. Whether/how it works must depend on the protocol being forwarded. |
| 20:25.03 | Eftarjin | anything else than change sources.list and run aptitude dist-upgrade I should watch for when upgrading stable to testing? |
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| 20:25.35 | karlpinc | Hans_Henrik: It does not matter. You only get 4 primary, or 3 if you want more "logical". |
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| 20:26.18 | karlpinc | Hans_Henrik: If you're going to the trouble you might want to consider LVM for dynamic resizing, migration off failed disks, removing limits based on phyiscal disk size, etc. |
| 20:26.51 | jhutchins_lt | Eftarjin: Yes, read the release notes first. |
| 20:26.52 | linduxed | i wish to install sun-java6-jre in squeeze, but it seems like it's located in a repo called non-free |
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| 20:27.08 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: squeeze->lenny? |
| 20:27.09 | dpkg | jhutchins_lt: wish i knew |
| 20:27.14 | linduxed | if this is correct, how do i add this repo? |
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| 20:27.14 | jhutchins_lt | D'Oh! |
| 20:27.24 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 20:27.24 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>. |
| 20:27.28 | karlpinc | Hans_Henrik: Given you're just starting you might want to avoid having to think about anything other than the minimum and avoid lvm. |
| 20:27.42 | Hans_Henrik | karlpinc: umm.. well i guess, but i can use GParted to rezie etc anyway, right? :p |
| 20:27.48 | Hans_Henrik | livecd* |
| 20:27.57 | craigevil | linduxed, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add the words contrib non-free to the debian line |
| 20:27.57 | gnude | hi |
| 20:28.10 | karlpinc | Hans_Henrik: True, but only off a live cd. You can keep running while resizing with lvm. And there's the other advantages. |
| 20:28.12 | linduxed | craigevil: will try, thx |
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| 20:28.17 | jhutchins_lt | linduxed: Add it after "main", seperated by a space. You might also want to add "contrib". |
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| 20:28.34 | nsadmin2 | Hans_Henrik, easier resizing down the road is with lvm |
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| 20:29.02 | Eftarjin | jhutchins_lt: it seems there are no release notes for wheezy yet |
| 20:29.12 | jhutchins_lt | We also get at least one person in here with a problem caused by LVM every week. |
| 20:29.20 | karlpinc | Hans_Henrik: (Switching to another phyiscal disk while still running, etc.) |
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| 20:29.29 | jhutchins_lt | Eftarjin: No, it's not released, how could there be release notes? |
| 20:29.32 | Hans_Henrik | any1 know about a website explaining lvm? |
| 20:29.46 | jhutchins_lt | Eftarjin: Wheezy is testing, and fairly fresh testing at that. It will break. |
| 20:29.51 | karlpinc | Hans_Henrik: IBM developer works has a good one IIRC. |
| 20:30.14 | Eftarjin | jhutchins_lt: do you think it will break more than unstable? |
| 20:30.28 | karlpinc | Hans_Henrik: As jhutchins_lt says, lvm is extra and you can either want to know about it or confuse yourself, depending. |
| 20:30.34 | jhutchins_lt | Eftarjin: Slightly less. |
| 20:30.42 | karlpinc | Hans_Henrik: You can also see the debian reference guide. |
| 20:30.50 | Eftarjin | thanks |
| 20:30.50 | linduxed | jhutchins_lt: two questions: 1. should i add the contrib non-free to both deb and deb-src lines? 2. should i add contrib non-free to squeeze/updates or only to squeeze? |
| 20:31.20 | jhutchins_lt | I'd add them to all of the lines. |
| 20:31.26 | nsadmin2 | typically, you'd have a partition outside the lvm for / or /boot (and outside of any raid/md/whatever) and cover the rest of the drive with a pv |
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| 20:31.48 | Hans_Henrik | i think ill read up on lvm, and test it on a virtualbox, but some other day (getting late now anyway :p) |
| 20:31.53 | jhutchins_lt | linduxed: I usually comment out the src lines as I don't use source much, saves a fraction of the time searching or updating. |
| 20:32.06 | foetus | gives an easteregg: what in hell is an puff-backed bulbul .. out of an ornith. dictionary :):) |
| 20:32.08 | karlpinc | nsadmin2: I generally keep just /boot out of lvm. (But I hear grub2 deals with lvm and that may not be needed?) |
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| 20:32.22 | karlpinc | Hans_Henrik: Good choice. |
| 20:32.26 | tdn | In lenny, what is the right way of disabling a service from starting up? Say, I have apache and postgresql installed. I want them installed, but they should not start up automatically during boot. Only when I start them manually. |
| 20:32.43 | nsadmin2 | if you run windows, you'll need to allocate separate space (outside of lvm or linux raid) |
| 20:32.52 | dvs | tdn: update-rc.d xxx remove |
| 20:33.18 | karlpinc | tdn: There is no one right way. Start with readme.debian. After that what dvs says is as good as any. |
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| 20:33.46 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: rcconf will also work, or you can install chkconfig. |
| 20:33.56 | karlpinc | tdn: Readme.debian will tell you if there's a flag in /etc/default/. |
| 20:34.00 | karlpinc | !readme.debian |
| 20:34.00 | dpkg | README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration. |
| 20:34.08 | nsadmin2 | Hans_Henrik, if you intend to make a decision later, then you might consider the installs you do prior to that, to be throwaways |
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| 20:35.15 | tdn | That seems very complicated for what I would think was a pretty basic and common task. |
| 20:35.22 | tdn | Why not a standard way for this? |
| 20:35.38 | jhutchins_lt | There are at least three standard ways. |
| 20:35.52 | zgedneil | that sounds about right :-) |
| 20:36.00 | jhutchins_lt | This is because Debian did not start out using lsb sysv initscripts. |
| 20:36.03 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, tha's what I mean. Too complicated. Why not decide on one? |
| 20:36.15 | foetus | try sysv-rc-conf. its a good choice beneath rcconf. |
| 20:36.18 | nsadmin2 | tdn, flag/config parameter in /etc/default is standard |
| 20:36.19 | karlpinc | tdn: There is. You manually frob the symlinks in /etc/rc2.d/. I usually do that but with the new dynamic boot sequencing I've not looked at how it really works and need to revisit the whole issue. |
| 20:36.24 | zgedneil | tdn: standards are such a good thing it's a shame to only have one |
| 20:36.28 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: This is linux, dude. There's ALWAYS more than one way. |
| 20:36.39 | nsadmin2 | as mentioned, one of many ways |
| 20:37.08 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, I know there can be many ways. Still a standard way is a great thing. |
| 20:37.42 | nsadmin2 | tdn, that comment is invitation to repeat the whole conversation |
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| 20:38.01 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, just like the standard way of installing applications is by installing a .deb package. That is a pretty neat feature of Debian. Of course there are other ways -- like building your own, etc. |
| 20:38.02 | nsadmin2 | for that, you can scroll back |
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| 20:38.04 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: Well, the SysV standard is chkconfig, which wasn't even in Debian until recently (and I think is just a wrapper for one of the other tools). |
| 20:38.30 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: Do you mean the standard of installing with dpkg, or with tasksel, or with apt-get, or with aptitude? |
| 20:38.41 | karlpinc | tdn: Sysv init is driven off symlinks. See /etc/init.d/README. Everything else is a way to make the standard "easier". |
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| 20:39.26 | tdn | I just checked /etc/default/apache2. There does not seem to be any options deciding wheather it should start up automatically or not. |
| 20:39.34 | Allanis | Heya, I am wondering if someone can give me a hint on a little problem I am having with my display setup. I recently purchased a new monitor (1280x1024) and my monitor is (1366x768), so I get this: http://saracraft.net/desktopImage.png The mouse curser etc traverses below the task bar. The script I use for my monitors can be seen in this image. Thanks. |
| 20:39.37 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: There are also different GUI wrappers for most of those things. |
| 20:40.02 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, exactly! But it is the same database and the same that happens. Just different front-ends. |
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| 20:41.12 | Hans_Henrik | on the installer, it ask me if i want a GUI or a webserver or some other things |
| 20:41.15 | karlpinc | tdn: Same goes with the various startup control programs. |
| 20:41.43 | karlpinc | Hans_Henrik: Is that a question? |
| 20:41.51 | Hans_Henrik | will the "webserver" config install php/mysql/apache/? |
| 20:41.57 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: They check the lsb headers of the initscript and enable or disable it via symlinks to the runlevel directories (which you can also make manually). |
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| 20:42.07 | karlpinc | Hans_Henrik: Some part of that at least. |
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| 20:42.23 | karlpinc | Hans_Henrik: You seem new to debian. You might be helped by the following: |
| 20:42.28 | karlpinc | !tell Hans_Henrik about overview |
| 20:42.35 | buharin | can someone help me with counter 0 not available nmi_watchdog using this resource |
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| 20:43.54 | buharin | babilen, |
| 20:43.57 | buharin | ;P |
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| 20:45.47 | Rjindael | hmm |
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| 20:46.16 | slipperz | installed b43-fwcutter package, but I don't see the firmware showing up in /lib/firmware |
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| 20:49.18 | babilen | slipperz: That is expectected if you install the tool that can be used to extract the firmware from win/osx drivers. I guess you want to install firmware-b43-installer |
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| 20:49.44 | karlpinc | Wouldn't "insserv -r /etc/init.d/foo" be the new "right" way to prevent a daemon from running in Debian? Otherwise wouldn't insserv wind up re-creating the symlinks if you manually changed them? |
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| 20:50.45 | buharin | babilen, can y help me with profile problem counter 0 not available nmi_watchdog using this resource |
| 20:50.50 | karlpinc | I guess I'm wondering when inserv goes about re-creating symlinks. |
| 20:50.50 | babilen | karlpinc: AFAIU you have to rename the S to K links and run insserv. That discussion certainly left a bad aftertaste and a lot of questions. |
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| 20:51.06 | babilen | buharin: I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about |
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| 20:51.22 | buharin | babilen, i am trying to install oprofile and run it |
| 20:51.38 | karlpinc | !tell buharin about errors |
| 20:51.39 | babilen | buharin: Ah, never used it |
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| 20:52.45 | karlpinc | babilen: I think I'll see what the debian reference says. |
| 20:53.12 | dvs | slipperz: You might want the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer if you're using a laptop or netbook. |
| 20:53.22 | slipperz | I'm not |
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| 20:53.29 | dvs | ok |
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| 20:55.03 | slipperz | vyatta@vyatta:~$ sudo ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 20:55.03 | slipperz | SIOCSIFFLAGS: Unknown error 132 |
| 20:55.09 | slipperz | ending up with that now :S |
| 20:55.13 | babilen | karlpinc: I would expect the reference to be outdated. If you read the thread on debian-devel the only consensus seems to be that mv/cp/rm and insserv are the only tools that are meant to be used by users to configure if a service is running or not. |
| 20:55.45 | tdn | This is a paste from smartctl -a /dev/sda: http://paste.adora.dk/P2022.html Please tell me if this means that my disk (SSD) is going to die soon? |
| 20:55.47 | dvs | slipperz: What exact WLAN chip do you have? |
| 20:55.53 | slipperz | broadcom 4301 |
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| 20:56.18 | tdn | I am primarily concerned about this: 4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 001 001 020 Old_age Always FAILING_NOW 321628 |
| 20:56.36 | tdn | The string FAILING_NOW cannot be good? :( |
| 20:57.32 | tdn | I find it very hard to believe, though, that my disk should have been powercycled 321628 times. I mean, is that even possible? |
| 20:57.49 | buharin | how to disable nmi_watchdog? |
| 20:58.04 | nsadmin2 | of course it's possible |
| 20:58.16 | karlpinc | babilen: Your're right. The docs are no help. There's a good link to a plan/overview, but no details on how to frob the daemons. |
| 20:58.36 | dvs | slipperz: Should have installed the firmware-b43legacy-installer package |
| 20:58.42 | slipperz | i did |
| 20:58.44 | slipperz | :S |
| 20:59.09 | slipperz | thats when the error changed to |
| 20:59.13 | slipperz | <slipperz> SIOCSIFFLAGS: Unknown error 132 |
| 20:59.23 | draeath | buharin: details? |
| 20:59.23 | dvs | slipperz: Did you uninstall and reinstall the kernel module? |
| 20:59.47 | slipperz | ermmm rmmod and modprobe? |
| 20:59.58 | dvs | modprobe -r then modprobe. |
| 20:59.58 | slipperz | I'm not too familiar with linux either |
| 20:59.59 | draeath | buharin: FYI nmi is 'non-maskable interrupt' - if you're getting those and it's causing problems... you got hardware (or driver) issues. |
| 21:00.00 | tdn | nsadmin2, I am not sure it is actually possible in any realistic way. Over a year, 321628 times is more than 36 times every hour == more than once every other minute. |
| 21:00.05 | babilen | karlpinc: I find this, well, unsatisfactory :) |
| 21:00.32 | draeath | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-maskable_interrupt - pay particular attention to the first couple sentences in the Overview |
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| 21:01.09 | buharin | draeath, mm what to do? |
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| 21:01.20 | draeath | test your hardware, check your drivers for bugs or updates |
| 21:01.23 | ksx4system | how can i install xfce4-menueditor in Debian? it should be available by default but by some reason it's not |
| 21:01.28 | slipperz | dvs: done |
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| 21:01.53 | ksx4system | (and no, there's no xfce4-menueditor package in apt repository) |
| 21:02.12 | buharin | draeath, :S |
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| 21:02.31 | tdn | Well... Something must be wrong: 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 091 091 000 Old_age Always - 15998753185912 ---- This is really not possible. |
| 21:03.20 | draeath | tdn: indeed. more likely that drive doesn't respect SMART "standards" and that number is actually indicating something completely different |
| 21:03.23 | tdn | That is 1.8e9 years! |
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| 21:03.44 | dvs | So? The Earth is older than that. ;-) |
| 21:03.45 | buharin | draeath, but it shows that smth is busy |
| 21:03.51 | buharin | cuz wachdog use it |
| 21:03.54 | buharin | not hang |
| 21:03.59 | draeath | smth? |
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| 21:04.09 | Tramp | tdn: raw values of SMART values are not relevant |
| 21:04.12 | tdn | draeath, ok. Any way to find out how the drive is actually doing? |
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| 21:04.37 | tdn | Tramp, what is then? |
| 21:04.39 | buharin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:05.33 | Tramp | tdn: if the value is below the threshold or not |
| 21:06.01 | draeath | power-on-hours is supposed to be a counter. |
| 21:06.25 | ksx4system | i'll ask again: why there's no xfce4-menueditor in Debian and why it's not possible to install it via apt-get? how can i install it? |
| 21:06.48 | draeath | buharin: xeon 5530? |
| 21:06.55 | slipperz | wlan0 just refuses to go up :[ |
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| 21:07.13 | buharin | AMD |
| 21:07.37 | draeath | sounds like a kernel issue |
| 21:07.39 | dvs | slipperz: Don't pm me. |
| 21:07.42 | dvs | please |
| 21:07.49 | slipperz | soz |
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| 21:09.11 | buharin | draeath, I cann't see resolving of this at all |
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| 21:10.28 | ksx4system | i'll ask again: why there's no xfce4-menueditor in Debian and why it's not possible to install it via apt-get? how can i install it? |
| 21:10.45 | dvs | !repeat |
| 21:10.45 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 21:12.32 | lapsusbrutus | ksx4system: try awesomewm, there all menus are in a conf file easy to add or remove things.. |
| 21:13.09 | jhutchins_lt | ksx4system: May I suggest the searchterms "xfce edit menu debian" while you wait? |
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| 21:13.43 | moola | Is the 6.0.1a 386 netinst, 64bit, or do you have options? |
| 21:14.10 | dvs | moola: the 386 netinst is 32bit. amd64 is 64bit. |
| 21:15.05 | babilen | moola: There are multi-arch netinstalls (i386/amd64) |
| 21:15.17 | dvs | that's even better! ;-) |
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| 21:15.37 | moola | im looking for the intel based 64bit architecture |
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| 21:15.42 | moola | does a stable one currently exist? |
| 21:15.51 | dvs | moola: yes, amd64 |
| 21:15.52 | petemc | amd64 |
| 21:16.06 | moola | I hate to sound redundant, but why is it named amd64? :0 |
| 21:16.13 | dvs | !amd64 |
| 21:16.13 | dpkg | amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running i386 Debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are AMD64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>. |
| 21:16.30 | moola | awesomeness |
| 21:16.38 | dvs | moola: er, because AMD invented it and Intel licences it from them. |
| 21:16.38 | nsadmin2 | amd did it first |
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| 21:16.50 | nsadmin2 | intel "lixensed" it |
| 21:17.19 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there every one ... i would like to install a newer version of pidgin ... how can i ? |
| 21:17.24 | moola | nifty |
| 21:17.29 | moola | so its basically for legal reasons :) |
| 21:17.46 | dvs | well, more marketing reasons |
| 21:17.59 | dvs | on Intel's part (they won't admit it publically) |
| 21:18.26 | mns | :) |
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| 21:19.21 | moola | How does 3D Performance measure in Nix now, compared to Windows? |
| 21:19.35 | moola | Am I going to be able to run the same things with the same stability, fps, etc.. |
| 21:19.47 | nsadmin2 | that sounds like a wikipedia question |
| 21:19.53 | nsadmin2 | or google |
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| 21:20.27 | nsadmin2 | but it's also overbroad since there are lots of drivers and lots of cards |
| 21:20.44 | dvs | moola: Dunno. I get 9585 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1916.880 FPS in glxgears |
| 21:20.53 | moola | dvs, what gfx card? |
| 21:21.04 | dvs | moola: Radeon HD 4850 |
| 21:21.58 | moola | neato |
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| 21:22.16 | moola | be interesting to see how hard my card pushes |
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| 21:24.55 | thewanderer1 | if there are many different mdadm metadata formats (0.9 to 1.2), and only 0.9 works with GRUB and expanding RAID1->RAID5, what's the purpose of the "new" formats? |
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| 21:25.50 | nsadmin2 | changelog should say something about that |
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| 21:28.51 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: 1.0 raid1 works with grub2 as well |
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| 21:29.44 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: the old metadata format (0.9) does not have enough data and can lead to corruption in some situations |
| 21:30.25 | thewanderer1 | oh well... all comments on the web seem to claim that it's impossible to migrate RAID1->RAID5 unless using 0.9... |
| 21:30.45 | jelly-home | I have no experience with that part of the question. |
| 21:32.10 | ksx4system | is it possible to install every deb in specified directory using dpkg? |
| 21:32.31 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: the web often parrots info that basically comes from a single source, and/or is too old |
| 21:32.33 | thewanderer1 | ksx4system: sounds like a bash task :P (dpkg can accept multiple arguments- try it!) |
| 21:32.55 | jelly-home | ksx4system: ... dpkg -i *.deb |
| 21:33.09 | tdn | Tramp, ok, so this is bad, because it is high? |
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| 21:33.28 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: yeah, probably... I'll try and mess around, see if my data likes it. thanks for the explanation :) |
| 21:33.48 | leafwiz | Hey, I upgraded my debian box. And now all the hd* drives are gone. fdisk -l does not find any either |
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| 21:34.44 | moola | lol so |
| 21:34.47 | moola | one thing I failed to mention |
| 21:34.55 | jelly-home | ksx4system: that can lead to dependency issues if the packages in the set depend on each other or their other dependencies aren't satisfied yet. Immediate fix is "apt-get -f install". A better way to install local debs is to make and enable a local repo. |
| 21:34.55 | moola | I have mirrored and stripped Corsair F120 SSDs |
| 21:35.02 | thewanderer1 | leafwiz: try sd* instead... |
| 21:35.11 | jelly-home | moola: "striped" I guess? |
| 21:35.15 | moola | is there any decent documentation on drivers and general know how on what precautions i sohuld take and drive to use with SSD |
| 21:35.21 | moola | jelly, sorry, but yes. |
| 21:36.00 | dr_traktor | dante socks server configuration: What does the internal property mean? |
| 21:36.06 | dr_traktor | Cant get my head around it. |
| 21:36.18 | thewanderer1 | moola: I bet ##hardware is a more proper place for this, with residents who probably know more on the subject as well |
| 21:36.26 | leafwiz | thewanderer1, ah.. so now all the drives are named sd something.. |
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| 21:36.50 | thewanderer1 | leafwiz: yeah... since Lenny I think... |
| 21:37.17 | moola | Well, my hard drive sint even being detected by Debians Installer |
| 21:38.14 | foetus | (offtopic) what is that - scaly-breasted bulbul.. i must throw out this ornithological section in ding, no hell.. |
| 21:38.18 | thewanderer1 | oh. I guess you've used some fakeRAID and expect it to work... |
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| 21:38.27 | bandie9101 | hi all |
| 21:38.39 | foetus | don't beleave it.. |
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| 21:39.32 | moola | thewanderer1, nay it's hardware based raid, and completely legitimate |
| 21:39.37 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: I think it's since the .32 kernel. |
| 21:40.04 | bandie9101 | since i upgraded from lenny to squeeze, i cant control my laptop's cooler fan by /proc/acpi/fan/*/state, its suddenly overwrited by something! |
| 21:40.07 | foetus | is laughing.. |
| 21:40.18 | jhutchins_lt | leafwiz: The ide/ata and scsi drivers were merged. |
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| 21:41.18 | thewanderer1 | moola: then it's not about the disks at all, which should display a normal SATA interface, but about the RAID controller you should be concerned about |
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| 21:43.22 | jelly-home | a hw raid wouldn't expose physical devices anyway |
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| 21:44.39 | jhutchins_lt | That's how you tell the difference. |
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| 21:59.03 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 22:03.03 | Ogmios | heyas |
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| 22:04.00 | eptalon | I wondered how hard it would be to install debian onto a Samsung N145 netbook? |
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| 22:04.24 | eptalon | Intel Atom/1GB RAM/Don't know what hdd |
| 22:04.28 | dvs | eptalon: Try a Live CD first |
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| 22:04.45 | eptalon | dvs: netbook... |
| 22:04.54 | eptalon | no optical drive |
| 22:04.55 | dvs | Live USB |
| 22:05.41 | thewanderer1 | hint: Squeeze Live is already a hybrid ISO, which means dd'ing it to USB will work |
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| 22:12.26 | El_Caballero | guys, how do I read a string from bash? I tried "read" but it has problems with the backspace :-/ |
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| 22:15.43 | El_Caballero | When I press backspace using "read", I see some ^H in the shell :-/ |
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| 22:23.19 | mute | i've never used debian on a desktop. its really kicking my butt. gdm3 begins and no input can be made by mouse or keyboard...? |
| 22:23.58 | hansu | im searching the code of "mount" command developed in debian, anyone know where can i download the source code of that command or the source code of all OS? |
| 22:24.49 | mute | is it in http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/ |
| 22:25.29 | hansu | mute thanks |
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| 22:28.58 | draeath | hansu: you may also find this useful: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/source/iso-dvd/ |
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| 22:31.38 | draeath | hansu: the sources can also be found on the mirrors: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/ |
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| 22:32.33 | hansu | I need only the source of mount command yep |
| 22:32.48 | draeath | look for coreutils in main/ |
| 22:32.57 | draeath | if you want the source particular to debian |
| 22:33.27 | draeath | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/coreutils/ |
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| 22:34.33 | cozgedal | i set up my box as a media server with fuppes. i was wondering if throwing a better graphics card in it would help it stream videos? |
| 22:34.35 | babilen | hansu: Enable deb-src in your sources list, run "apt-file search -x "bin/mount$" and then get the source package with "apt-get source coreutils" |
| 22:34.36 | wisconsin | hi, iceweasel and icedove go 100% cpu |
| 22:34.44 | cozgedal | it's a rack mountable server so only has an 8meg ati rage card on board |
| 22:35.22 | draeath | cozgedal: it might seriously help. Heck Squeeze has vdpau support now! (video card offloading) |
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| 22:36.09 | cozgedal | it's a dual amd opteron 280 with 16gigs of ram so it's got processing power but no graphics |
| 22:36.23 | daemonkeeper | draeath: VDPAU is specific to Nvidia. |
| 22:36.43 | draeath | No, it's not. |
| 22:37.03 | daemonkeeper | Sure it is, OpenCL is more portable. |
| 22:37.06 | draeath | Whether or not anyone else has implemented it yet... but it was specifically intended to not be specific to nvidia. |
| 22:37.24 | draeath | daemonkeeper: have you EVER seen a media player that used OpenCL to do codec processing? |
| 22:38.13 | daemonkeeper | No, not that I would care. However VDPAU is still specific to Nvidia, ATI did their own thing. As usual. |
| 22:38.25 | draeath | anyways. to answer the original question - yes, getting something better than that "useless" 8mb card will help you. Unless your actually drawing it elsewhere. |
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| 22:51.39 | break3r | hey guys, since some time i always have to do a alsa force-reload to hear something on my netbook |
| 22:51.52 | break3r | earlier it worked by default |
| 22:52.08 | break3r | i logged in and could listen to stuff |
| 22:52.34 | break3r | this is since there was that udev upgrade which had that /run/ dir bug |
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| 22:52.59 | mmnicolas | ls |
| 22:53.16 | Andy- | hey all, Does anyone know of any simple "phone home" apps for deb, I have a little drive with deb on it and am going on hols soon and there's been a few breakins recently |
| 22:53.31 | Andy- | so wanted to have a fighting chance of getting my drive back if it was to be stolen |
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| 22:54.38 | MeglaW | u can write a bash script to like mail every time it gets a new ip or somethin |
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| 22:55.12 | mute | if it gets stolen, it probably won't get booted. ;) |
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| 22:56.05 | Andy- | mute, they won't be able to wipe it without plugging it in |
| 22:56.23 | mmnicolas | MeglaW: sure, just set a script in /etc/networking/if-up |
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| 22:57.27 | bencc | can I change permissions inside a tar.gz file? |
| 22:57.59 | jair | hello guys, I am wondering if in squeeze the wireless firmware comes automatically loaded here: /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode? |
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| 22:58.26 | jair | I am using the kernel: 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 22:58.26 | draeath | Andy-: and how will you get whatever you are wanting to run to run on insert? Unless they don't update Windows, it's not gonna happen |
| 22:58.38 | draeath | any other OS, or an updated Windows, will not autoplay USB. |
| 22:59.16 | babilen | jair: Firmware (if present) is automatically loaded, yes |
| 22:59.49 | draeath | jair: for that directory, you need http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 23:01.00 | spal | I don't want to switch between mrxvt tabs using Alt+1, Alt+2, etc. Please help me. |
| 23:01.40 | babilen | spal: don't do it? |
| 23:02.22 | jair | babilen: looks like is there already |
| 23:02.24 | spal | babilen, no, I mean, I want to alter the key combination. it interferes with my Alt+1, Alt+2 for irssi |
| 23:02.51 | jair | draeath: thank you but the reason why I am asking is because I see it there automatically. |
| 23:03.04 | babilen | spal: Ah! Hmm, I have to confess that I don't know how to do that. Reading the manpage and/or the documentation might contain essential clues :) |
| 23:03.09 | draeath | So? is the package installed? if yes, then there's your answer. If no, then something wierd is going on :) |
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| 23:03.28 | draeath | spal: you might consider using a different terminal emulator as well. Something more configurable, if mrxvt won't do it. |
| 23:03.55 | jair | draeath: nope looks like everything is good in the past I needed to load that firmware manually |
| 23:04.10 | draeath | Progress is wonderful isn't it :) |
| 23:04.45 | babilen | jair: it will be loaded automatically if it is present. A look at dmesg after removing and inserting the module will confirm that. |
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| 23:11.43 | RichiH | with shell scripts, is there any way to access $3 and following? i.e. like $*, but starting at $3 . either dash or zsh is fine |
| 23:12.58 | Riviera | RichiH: with dash, you'd shift the first parameters (with the shift command) |
| 23:13.21 | jair | babilen: thank you very much |
| 23:13.50 | jair | babilen: now all I need is the wireless tools packages to start configuring the network iwconfig etc... |
| 23:14.06 | RichiH | Riviera: shift what? $ARGV? |
| 23:14.08 | Riviera | RichiH: with zsh you could use some parameter expansion modifiers, but I don't know anything about zsh. |
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| 23:14.49 | Riviera | RichiH: shift 2 |
| 23:15.05 | Riviera | RichiH: $ dash -c 'set -- a b c d e; shift 2; echo "$*"' |
| 23:15.14 | Riviera | RichiH: c d e |
| 23:15.18 | RichiH | hah |
| 23:15.29 | Riviera | RichiH: Note that you *most likely* would want to use "$@" instead of $* |
| 23:15.30 | RichiH | Riviera: thanks |
| 23:15.35 | Riviera | RichiH: (*with* the double-quotes) |
| 23:16.51 | RichiH | Riviera: google refuses to search for $@ $* -- what's the difference? |
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| 23:17.53 | Riviera | RichiH: when you double-quote $*, all positional parameters expand to one single parameter, one string |
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| 23:18.15 | Riviera | RichiH: when you double-quote $@, all parameters expand to multiple parameters, multiple strings |
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| 23:18.49 | Riviera | RichiH: e. g., if $1 is 'one two' and $2 is 'three four', then "$*" would expand to "one two three four", "$@" to "one two" "three four", |
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| 23:19.33 | Riviera | RichiH: if you do not double-quote them, it would expand to "one" "two" "three" "four" and also pathname expansion ("globbing") would be performed, so that's usually not what one wants. |
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| 23:20.29 | Riviera | RichiH: these things might be a bit different in the zsh, but what I said applies to POSIX bourne-like shells like dash, bash, ksh, .. |
| 23:21.21 | jair | which one is the package that contains the iwconfig and iwlist packages? |
| 23:22.41 | Riviera | jair: wireless-tools |
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| 23:24.25 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 23:24.27 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-3); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-3); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 23:24.55 | jhutchins_lt | Don't be in any rush to get .38 backported if you're a laptop user. |
| 23:24.57 | jair | Riviera: awesome thank you so much! |
| 23:25.06 | dvs | oops |
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| 23:26.07 | spersaud | !wine |
| 23:26.08 | dpkg | Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ . The beta Wine packages from lamaresh.net are not supported in #debian. http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ http://www.winehq.org/ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See also <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. |
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| 23:26.30 | wisconsin | !beer |
| 23:26.30 | dpkg | [beer] liquid gold mate |
| 23:26.59 | un214 | !mmap_min_addr |
| 23:26.59 | dpkg | mmap_min_addr is a kernel tunable, specifying the minimum virtual address a process can map. Low values increase susceptibility to NULL pointer privilege escalation. The default value on Debian systems increased from 0 to 4096 as of <5.0.4>, which may impact the operation of <dosemu>, <qemu> and <wine>. See http://wiki.debian.org/mmap_min_addr for more information. |
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| 23:29.59 | spal | I added some Rxvt properties in my ~/.Xresources file. However, if I launch rxvt, I don't see it using these values. |
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| 23:35.58 | MrFrood | spal: xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources |
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| 23:37.25 | ironsight2 | anyone tried to install one of these new canon pixma mx882 all in one wireless network printers? I can't seem to find a driver via google :( |
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| 23:38.08 | babilen | jair: For next time: "aptitude install apt-file" 'apt-file search -x "bin/iwlist$"' and "man apt-file" |
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| 23:39.13 | casts | ironsight2: i don't mean to be negative, but i wouldn't even try something like that due to the likely frustration involved. though i've been using debian from a time when far less hw worked |
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| 23:40.59 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 23:41.17 | ZenWalker | the kernel of testing (2.6.38) is 100% free ? |
| 23:41.18 | Feltope | would you guys mind a noob question I keep finding conflicting things on the web. |
| 23:41.21 | abidoun | ZenWalker: hi |
| 23:41.54 | casts | Feltope: just ask |
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| 23:42.28 | Feltope | I am trying to change the resolution of the console. (run level 3). most of my searches say modify /boot/grub/menu.lst or /boot/grub/grub.conf and my system has neither. I do not run X11 on it. |
| 23:43.23 | dvs | Feltope: for squeeze it's /etc/default/grub I think you're looking for. |
| 23:43.54 | casts | + /etc/grub.d/ |
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| 23:44.50 | Feltope | looks like all the good stuff is in there I will give those a shot. thank you. |
| 23:45.04 | dvs | np |
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| 23:46.40 | babilen | Feltope: Read the info page (see head of file) for further information |
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| 23:54.55 | deb|ws2k3 | hello guys i created a used in debian with a password but if i try to login with ftp.(using ftpd) but if i try to upload a file i get premission denied(i have chmod 755 on the directory) |
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