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| 19:19.59 | simonlnu | ooh, i'm so wrong |
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| 19:20.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | Miesco_: they can't make it nonfree |
| 19:20.16 | sh4rm4 | can someone tell me the correct name ? |
| 19:20.21 | ppalmes | sh4rm4: apt-file search? |
| 19:20.23 | BATi | smam: if you have valid licenses for win and office, you can give virtualbox a try... |
| 19:20.28 | Miesco_ | KaffeeJunky123: THey can make it not available |
| 19:20.34 | KaffeeJunky123 | Miesco_: oracle just said that they won't maintain it any longer, or something along the lines |
| 19:20.37 | sh4rm4 | ppalmes, yeah i guess that was it, thanks |
| 19:20.44 | smam | BATI??/ |
| 19:20.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | Miesco_: that goes for the name, but not for the source |
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| 19:21.00 | KaffeeJunky123 | Miesco_: the source is mirrowed around the net |
| 19:21.02 | smam | when i use office in debian i dont license...right?\ |
| 19:21.02 | Miesco_ | KaffeeJunky123: The link on oracle's website is a dangling link |
| 19:21.07 | simonlnu | libreoffice is the successor |
| 19:21.08 | smam | when i use office in debian i dont need license...right?\ |
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| 19:21.11 | pzn | how to add cryptoloop module to debian squeeze? |
| 19:21.14 | Miesco_ | simonlnu: no, its a fork |
| 19:21.18 | KaffeeJunky123 | simonlnu: it's a fork and in beta |
| 19:21.27 | KaffeeJunky123 | I don't use OOo anyways |
| 19:21.40 | Miesco_ | microsoft office live! |
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| 19:21.44 | KaffeeJunky123 | LaTex is the way to go |
| 19:21.44 | jelly-home | Miesco_: if you look at what was in Debian and named "openoffice.org", it's pretty much a successor |
| 19:21.51 | Miesco_ | KaffeeJunky123: I agree |
| 19:22.23 | simonlnu | it's stable now |
| 19:22.30 | Miesco_ | KaffeeJunky123: A shame the people at job connect freak out when they see my TeX lol |
| 19:22.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | Lyx is actually a pretty neat editor for LaTex, if you don't want to bother with what's going on below |
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| 19:22.54 | BATi | smam: virtualbox is a virtual machine, so you can install windows in it and then office on that windows... but of course that means you have to have valid ms licenses... |
| 19:22.58 | KaffeeJunky123 | Miesco_: you can compile them to pdfs |
| 19:23.02 | jelly-home | Miesco_: debian had been using build tools and patches from go-oo project for quite a while, and that's pretty much been renamed to libreoffice |
| 19:23.05 | ckop64 | hello, I'm having an issue with installing debian testing i386 from the weekly *.iso release. Error message is: "debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1)". tty4 is here: http://ompldr.org/vOGYydw/deb.png | Integrity check shows the media is intact. Is debootstrap broken? |
| 19:23.07 | Miesco_ | KaffeeJunky123: I know |
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| 19:23.28 | smam | Well i think there so many versions of linux, there should one linux, like one windows, one way to install progamme in *.exe in windows, it should happen in linux, |
| 19:23.32 | smam | life easy |
| 19:23.43 | Miesco_ | jelly-home: libreoffice is written in go? |
| 19:23.46 | KaffeeJunky123 | definitly not smam |
| 19:23.49 | jelly-home | ckop64: testing weekly builds can be broken from time to time, yeah. File a bug |
| 19:23.51 | simonlnu | excuse me, but screw windows |
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| 19:23.53 | jelly-home | Miesco_: no. |
| 19:24.14 | project2501a | fuck. i messed up apt |
| 19:24.15 | project2501a | node00:/home/user/src# apt-get |
| 19:24.16 | project2501a | apt-get: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: undefined symbol: _ZNSt8messagesIcE2idE, version GLIBCXX_3.4 |
| 19:24.18 | Miesco_ | ooo = oracle open office |
| 19:24.34 | BATi | smam: life is never easy, but without proprietary formats it would be easier :) |
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| 19:24.45 | Miesco_ | or ooo.org oracle open office.org |
| 19:24.49 | jelly-home | ckop64: if you want to install testing for some reason, use the stable installer, install the base system, and upgrade |
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| 19:24.55 | ppalmes | ckop64: it seems a bug in passing argument to debootstrap |
| 19:24.56 | smam | life is very easy for me BATI |
| 19:25.05 | jelly-home | Miesco_: OOo previously meant "openoffice.org" |
| 19:25.09 | jhutchins_lt | Miesco_: Noy any more. |
| 19:25.12 | Miesco_ | jelly-home: Not any more |
| 19:25.37 | jhutchins_lt | Miesco_: They split off last week. |
| 19:25.56 | Bushmills | now it means "obsolete openoffice.org" |
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| 19:27.01 | ckop64 | ppalmes, jelly-home: k, thanks for the heads-up, I'll file a bug report. other question: if I upgrade from stable to testing is it like just editing sources.list, or do I have to do anything else? Is there a complete tutorial for thet somewhere? |
| 19:27.14 | jelly-home | ckop64: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 19:27.19 | Miesco_ | http://www.oracle.com/it/products/applications/open-office/index.html# |
| 19:27.20 | jelly-home | sorry |
| 19:27.28 | jelly-home | ckop64: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 19:27.28 | smam | do u need antivirus in debain? |
| 19:27.28 | Miesco_ | jhutchins_lt: Huh? |
| 19:27.52 | project2501a | was support for the alpha cpu dropped in squeeze? |
| 19:27.53 | KaffeeJunky123 | smam: depends |
| 19:27.55 | BATi | smam: nevermind... anyway, libreoffice/openoffice is the way to go, don't know about word documents, but I'm using it to send invoices in .xls, without problems |
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| 19:28.21 | ckop64 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:28.25 | simonlnu | smam: debian isn't windows. you don't need it for debian itself |
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| 19:28.28 | daedhel | hi |
| 19:28.35 | smam | BATI my using open office , send *.xls files |
| 19:28.42 | smam | BATI by using open office , send *.xls files |
| 19:28.43 | daedhel | i<m trying to access an encrypted drive |
| 19:29.07 | smam | BATI by using open office , send yea send quotation |
| 19:29.20 | daedhel | i did this: cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda6 sda6 |
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| 19:29.30 | smam | Kafee...depends??? |
| 19:29.32 | daedhel | then this : mount /dev/mapper/sda6 /mnt/tmp |
| 19:29.43 | daedhel | but I get this: mount: /dev/mapper/sda6: can't read superblock |
| 19:29.51 | daedhel | anyone knows what is wrong ^ |
| 19:29.53 | simonlnu | smam: you don't need anti-virus for debian itself |
| 19:30.00 | KaffeeJunky123 | smam: if you're relaying mails to windows clients it would be nice to scan them for viruses and the like, but there's no real maleware for debian gnu/linux around, atleast not in the same sense as in windows |
| 19:30.01 | smam | why not |
| 19:30.10 | smam | why not simonlu |
| 19:30.18 | KaffeeJunky123 | you don't need them on windows either |
| 19:30.24 | jelly-home | simonlnu: he does need it for interoperability, not to resend malware |
| 19:30.29 | simonlnu | smam: see what KaffeeJunky123 said |
| 19:30.37 | BATi | smam: obviously I use openoffice to create invoice, then send it using mail client... if that is what you ask... |
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| 19:30.59 | KaffeeJunky123 | just configure your stuff right and don't randomly dl exectuables |
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| 19:31.02 | Tau | something weird is happening here. |
| 19:31.14 | Tau | i try to empty my trash but it seems not working. |
| 19:31.28 | Tau | there are too much items there. |
| 19:31.38 | jhutchins_lt | Miesco_: http://www.technewsworld.com/story/72329.html |
| 19:32.22 | smam | if antivirus is not installed, u r complety unaware from spam, how debain protect us |
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| 19:32.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | smam: what does a spamfilter have to do with antivirus? |
| 19:33.16 | KaffeeJunky123 | smam: you can setup filter rules in your mailserver/mailclient to filter spam |
| 19:33.54 | resixian | just noticed, since upgrading to squeeze debian doesnt see my cd/dvd (yes asking again cause i'm getting nowhere..) any ideas? |
| 19:34.01 | smam | if antivirus is not installed, u r complety unaware from virys, how debain protect us |
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| 19:34.09 | smam | vrius |
| 19:34.16 | smam | virus |
| 19:34.33 | Tau | hi |
| 19:34.35 | Tau | can someone help me |
| 19:34.36 | KaffeeJunky123 | smam: I think your understanding of what viruses are is lacking |
| 19:34.42 | Tau | this shit is'nt emptying the trash. |
| 19:35.01 | jelly-home | resixian: pastebin the output of ls -la /dev/{cd,dvd,sr,scd}* please |
| 19:35.05 | smam | tau restart your computer |
| 19:35.15 | Tau | lol |
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| 19:35.18 | Tau | debian is getting like windows |
| 19:35.23 | Tau | in its old times |
| 19:35.30 | Tau | just restart ! |
| 19:35.31 | jhutchins_lt | Tau: We have no idea what desktop you're running or what version of dibian it is, or what error message you're getting, or how you're trying to "empty the trash". |
| 19:35.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | especially since viruses are so 90ths |
| 19:35.43 | resixian | jelly-home: that would be empty |
| 19:36.07 | Tau | jhutchins, i just clicked on the left mouse button and picked up empty trash. |
| 19:36.10 | jelly-home | Tau: not everyone here has knowledge or best intentions at your mind. Weigh the advice carefully. |
| 19:36.10 | smam | tau root folder problem |
| 19:36.12 | Tau | and it seems like broken. |
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| 19:36.30 | eptalon | heyas |
| 19:36.31 | smam | go in root folder |
| 19:36.35 | KaffeeJunky123 | smam: a virus is a program that replicates itself and appends itself to other files/programms, they're pretty rare nowdays, even on windows |
| 19:36.37 | jhutchins_lt | Tau: We have no idea what desktop you're running or what version of dibian it is, or what error message you're getting. |
| 19:36.40 | Tau | smam, k |
| 19:36.41 | jelly-home | resixian: interesting, pastebin your dmesg output then |
| 19:36.45 | smam | delete what files u want |
| 19:36.46 | Tau | jham, it is debian. |
| 19:36.49 | Tau | jhutchins, |
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| 19:36.52 | Tau | debian. |
| 19:36.53 | smam | manual way |
| 19:36.56 | KaffeeJunky123 | smam: you are probably talking about maleware in general |
| 19:36.58 | jhutchins_lt | Sigh, |
| 19:37.01 | Tau | lenny version. |
| 19:37.11 | Tau | lol |
| 19:37.11 | resixian | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/DTyaX0pC |
| 19:37.16 | smam | yea kafeee |
| 19:37.26 | eptalon | Tau: debian has version names or version numbers |
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| 19:37.39 | Tau | eptalon, i really don't understnad those details. |
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| 19:37.46 | Tau | i'm new to debian. |
| 19:38.04 | eptalon | Tau: "lenny" is all we needed. thats the version. |
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| 19:38.19 | Tau | /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-trash --spawner |
| 19:38.24 | Tau | this is running here. |
| 19:38.35 | Tau | do you think i should kill it? |
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| 19:39.07 | Tau | the trash folder simply doesn't open. |
| 19:39.11 | jhutchins_lt | Do you suppose he's running gnome? |
| 19:39.14 | Tau | even though i have killed that. |
| 19:39.18 | karlpinc | Since there's new folks here. FYI below: |
| 19:39.20 | karlpinc | !overview |
| 19:39.20 | dpkg | Debian stable does not always include all the software people need or want so there is much official, semi-official, and non-official software available for stable. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware . Ask me about <security>, <installer firmware>, <backports>, <squeeze-updates>, <multimedia>, <non-free>, <contrib>, <emdebian>, <debian live>. See also <grounding>, <social contract>. |
| 19:39.20 | pzn | help needed... upgraded from lenny->squeeze this weekend... cryptoloop disapeared, and I need to access important data today... how could I reinstall cryptoloop? |
| 19:39.23 | Tau | jhutchins, i'm running gnome. |
| 19:39.24 | ckop64 | Are you using gnome? Happened to me before on Arch, creating a new user account and moving my stuff there sorta solved the issue. you could try that as a worst case sceniaro |
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| 19:39.54 | jhutchins_lt | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1380063/Snake-bites-Tylar-Butchers-leg-turns-black-bitten-adder-New-Forest.html |
| 19:40.00 | jhutchins_lt | Gah. Sorry. |
| 19:40.12 | karlpinc | pzn: I don't know anything about it, but the release notes have a good section on what to do about problems. (And you should have followed them to upgrade too.) |
| 19:40.20 | eptalon | Tau: I the currently unstable version ("sid"), there are some problems with desktop integration too |
| 19:40.24 | jelly-home | resixian: yeah, that doesn't list any CD/DVD device at all. can you boot off it? Does it appear in BIOS? |
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| 19:41.05 | Tau | epsilon, |
| 19:41.06 | Tau | k |
| 19:41.08 | Tau | what should i do |
| 19:41.15 | Tau | to get rid of all those porns |
| 19:41.18 | jelly-home | resixian: in addition, do you have anything unusual in grep -R sr.mod /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 19:41.18 | Tau | my wife is coming today |
| 19:41.21 | Tau | i can't let it here |
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| 19:41.58 | jelly-home | :-D |
| 19:42.04 | Tau | lol |
| 19:42.12 | smam | lol |
| 19:42.16 | resixian | jelly-home: well its a headless server, with lenny it was fully functioning |
| 19:42.16 | benzaldehyde | Tau: home from where |
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| 19:42.29 | KaffeeJunky123 | Tau: um, let her accidentally find it |
| 19:42.31 | smam | <benzaldehyde> Tau: home from where...lol |
| 19:42.34 | Tau | LOL |
| 19:42.35 | Tau | KaffeeJunky123, |
| 19:42.44 | Tau | LOl |
| 19:42.45 | jelly-home | resixian: that, unfortunately, doesn't answer the question does it |
| 19:42.45 | Tau | well |
| 19:42.55 | pzn | karlpinc, I read release notes about cryptoloop... intended to migrate the backup tapes to dm-crypt during the week... but a dumb user had removed recursively a folder and I was asked to recover from backup asap :-( |
| 19:42.55 | Tau | i will go for lunch. |
| 19:42.57 | Tau | be back later. |
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| 19:43.00 | benzaldehyde | smam: the world is a large exciting place to be :D |
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| 19:43.11 | KaffeeJunky123 | he's gone for lunch |
| 19:43.17 | pzn | karlpinc, I have a backup, which I can't unencrypt :-( |
| 19:43.19 | KaffeeJunky123 | that could possibly take years |
| 19:43.25 | smam | benzaldehyde>..: p :D |
| 19:43.33 | KaffeeJunky123 | or even decades |
| 19:43.35 | resixian | jelly-home: atm i have many people using samba so i'm hesitant to reboot. also nothing about 'sr.mod' in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
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| 19:43.55 | KaffeeJunky123 | that being said, there've been incidents where people never returned from lunch |
| 19:44.05 | eptalon | Is there an easy way to recursively delete the empty directories inside a hierarchy? |
| 19:44.34 | smam | Tau remove cookies of your browser |
| 19:44.42 | smam | clean root folder |
| 19:44.44 | jelly-home | that last line, [221378.015744] sr_mod: Unknown parameter `sd_mod' -- is a bit weird. (sr_mod is the scsi cd/dvd device driver) |
| 19:44.49 | resixian | jelly-home: sorry, i was trying to asnwer 1st the 'is it in the bios'=yes and 'can i boot off of it'=i havent tried in about 1yr |
| 19:44.50 | jelly-home | resixian: ^^ |
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| 19:44.57 | ckop64 | smam, Tau has left. |
| 19:45.28 | smam | let her wife find it..lol ckop64 |
| 19:45.29 | karlpinc | pzn: Sorry. If no one helps now ask again later. You might also find some help on the debian-users mailing list. You could also give more info about why it does not work. It's not clear to me, but as I said I don't know anything about it. |
| 19:45.36 | resixian | jelly-home: soryr, that was me, i accidentally did 'sudo modprobe sr_mod cdrom' |
| 19:45.38 | jelly-home | eptalon: find ... -type d -print0 | xargs -0 rmdir -p ? |
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| 19:45.52 | resixian | jelly-home: those modules, sr_mod, cdrom were not loaded at boot |
| 19:46.28 | jhutchins_lt2 | Tau: Learn to use the CLI. |
| 19:46.30 | jhutchins_lt2 | Tau: Less risky. |
| 19:46.36 | jelly-home | resixian: cdrom is unneeded. Did you succeed in loading sr_mod manually? |
| 19:46.36 | mu | I'm doing apt dist-upgrade and it's asking me to configure libnss-ldap... I've no idea what this does though |
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| 19:46.48 | mu | Distinguished name of the search base?: |
| 19:47.05 | eptalon | jelly-home: how will that find the empty ones? |
| 19:47.05 | jelly-home | mu: if you don't know, and you're the admin, you don't want it. |
| 19:47.19 | jelly-home | eptalon: rmdir -p will fail on nonempty ones. |
| 19:47.31 | mu | jelly-home: But should I leave it blank or should I keep the "dec=example,dc=net" default that it had? |
| 19:47.50 | jelly-home | mu: if you're not using LDAP, it's irrelevant |
| 19:48.06 | eptalon | jelly-home: empty as in "contains no files"? |
| 19:48.06 | jelly-home | mu: purge the package afterwards |
| 19:48.08 | resixian | jelly-home: yes |
| 19:48.17 | mu | Okay. |
| 19:48.18 | jelly-home | eptalon: no directory entries, yes |
| 19:48.52 | tweek_ | are there debian live images with non-free firmware included somwhere? |
| 19:48.59 | resixian | jelly-home: sr_mod is using cdrom |
| 19:49.04 | jelly-home | resixian: well, the kernel and its pata_via driver just don't seem to have detected any devices. Not sure what can be done about that |
| 19:49.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | tweek_: yes |
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| 19:50.01 | jelly-home | resixian: you could force a bus rescan but that might have adverse effects on current IO (ie. if this system is on production, don't) |
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| 19:51.07 | dvgsvc | i get an applet on gnome with a warning sign (exclamation mark) that a pkg manager is running. i get this periodically but i have disabled automatic updates. why is this happening? |
| 19:51.50 | eptalon | jelly-home: thanks. seems to work; only non-nice thing is the /foo/bar dir not empty. |
| 19:51.55 | eptalon | msgs |
| 19:52.08 | KaffeeJunky123 | dvgsvc: something's running pkg |
| 19:52.12 | KaffeeJunky123 | or someone |
| 19:52.53 | dvgsvc | KaffeeJunky123, how can i see who/what |
| 19:53.06 | mu | Err, is this bad? http://pastebin.com/DEhM3KGT |
| 19:53.51 | jelly-home | eptalon: a careful grep -v or perhaps adding -f to rmdir (after consulting the manual) might hide the ugliness |
| 19:54.25 | project2501a | has anybody else tried to upgrade from lenny to wheezy? |
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| 19:54.40 | project2501a | did it go well? |
| 19:54.48 | project2501a | i'm having a bit of pebkac |
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| 19:54.53 | pipeline | project2501a: upgrades nearly always go well |
| 19:54.56 | KaffeeJunky123 | dvgsvc: by checking what is accessing /var/lib/dpkg/lock, but I don't know how to actually do it |
| 19:55.18 | jelly-home | project2501a: this machine has been lenny=testing, then squeeze=testing, then wheezy=testing, does that count |
| 19:55.29 | resixian | jelly-home: i tried a udevadm --trigger --dry-run but also didn't see anythign about the cd/dvd drive |
| 19:55.34 | mu | Anyone? Complaining that the dist-upgrade was unable to migrate to dependency-based boot system: http://pastebin.com/DEhM3KGT |
| 19:55.48 | project2501a | come help me install wheezy on an ibm p570 :( |
| 19:56.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | dvgsvc: you could probably use the fuser command |
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| 19:56.27 | jelly-home | dpkg, flw66 is <pipeline> project2501a: upgrades nearly always go well |
| 19:56.27 | dpkg | jelly-home: okay |
| 19:56.36 | dvgsvc | KaffeeJunky123, hm how? |
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| 19:57.09 | jelly-home | project2501a: dpkg --print-architecture? |
| 19:57.19 | project2501a | hm? |
| 19:57.24 | jelly-home | run it. |
| 19:57.53 | project2501a | the machine is currently running rhel 5.4 dpkg is not even there |
| 19:58.04 | jelly-home | project2501a: which architecture? |
| 19:58.10 | project2501a | powerpc6 |
| 19:58.17 | jelly-home | you're on your own, buddy |
| 19:58.20 | project2501a | heh |
| 19:58.22 | project2501a | thanks :P |
| 19:58.40 | jelly-home | I'll take that as ppc64 |
| 19:58.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | dvgsvc: take a look at the man page |
| 19:58.45 | jelly-home | !ppc |
| 19:58.45 | dpkg | [powerpc] PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:58.48 | project2501a | jelly: yeah. |
| 19:58.58 | jelly-home | the channel is thattaway --> |
| 19:59.05 | project2501a | joins |
| 19:59.07 | jelly-home | probably oftc |
| 19:59.17 | project2501a | oftc? |
| 19:59.21 | jelly-home | irc.debian.org |
| 19:59.38 | jelly-home | also known as "that other network" |
| 19:59.51 | tweek_ | i can't find any live images with non-free firmware, neither on cdimage.debian.org, nor live.debian.net, nor google. anyone know a place where to get them? |
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| 20:00.52 | dvgsvc | KaffeeJunky123, nothing uses it |
| 20:00.58 | dvgsvc | yet the warning is still there |
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| 20:01.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | dvgsvc: find out what programm' |
| 20:01.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | s displaying the warning |
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| 20:01.51 | dvgsvc | KaffeeJunky123, i'm actually asking for that heh |
| 20:01.54 | KaffeeJunky123 | sorry this is not the keyboard I'm used to so I sometimes accidentally hit the enter key |
| 20:02.28 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell tweek_ about kmuto |
| 20:02.37 | jelly-home | oh, live |
| 20:02.39 | project2501a | dpkg, commit suicide |
| 20:02.39 | KaffeeJunky123 | dvgsvc: what's the output of ps -A | grep update |
| 20:02.39 | dpkg | Hehe my survival instinct prevents me from killing myself |
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| 20:03.01 | jelly-home | tweek_: sorry, kmuto is all about installers, if you want a live image, roll your own |
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| 20:03.15 | dvgsvc | KaffeeJunky123, 2133 ? 00:00:01 update-notifier |
| 20:03.16 | jelly-home | if my boss could do it it can't be that hard |
| 20:03.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | dvgsvc: hehe this is it |
| 20:03.55 | KaffeeJunky123 | dvgsvc: I wonder why it's displaying the warning though |
| 20:03.56 | dvgsvc | KaffeeJunky123, update-notifier? i thought that was the warning. |
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| 20:04.25 | KaffeeJunky123 | update-notifier is the programm that puts the update notifications in the gnome panel, iirc |
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| 20:04.34 | jelly-home | dvgsvc: it's this useless piece of s...oftware imported from ubuntu that sends notifications to youe desktop environment |
| 20:04.36 | dvgsvc | yes i understand but why |
| 20:04.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | it doesn't do so on my squeeze though :< |
| 20:05.04 | dvgsvc | jelly-home, so i can purge it? |
| 20:05.09 | KaffeeJunky123 | you can |
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| 20:05.16 | dvgsvc | did and solved |
| 20:05.21 | jelly-home | dvgsvc: YES |
| 20:05.22 | project2501a | kot kot kot kot _talos_ |
| 20:05.27 | project2501a | more greeks. |
| 20:05.30 | dvgsvc | but i wonder if it was something mallicious |
| 20:05.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | it is something very mallicious |
| 20:05.44 | jelly-home | dvgsvc: nah, it's just not adapted to Debian very well, yet |
| 20:05.45 | project2501a | the beer. |
| 20:05.46 | KaffeeJunky123 | just kidding |
| 20:06.18 | dvgsvc | malicious* |
| 20:06.19 | dvgsvc | thanks |
| 20:06.56 | jelly-home | delicious* |
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| 20:08.13 | dijenerate | hi all |
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| 20:09.07 | dijenerate | I'd like a third party opinion on the best approach to a cluster problem I have |
| 20:09.43 | dijenerate | I have a apache+mysql server running on x86-64 hardware |
| 20:10.07 | dijenerate | os=squeeze |
| 20:10.15 | project2501a | ok, how does that have to do with clustering? |
| 20:10.43 | dijenerate | I'm trying to create redundancy in the event of network link or hardware failure |
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| 20:11.01 | project2501a | two different things |
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| 20:11.18 | project2501a | dijenerate: please continue |
| 20:11.43 | project2501a | just keep in mind that redundancy dude to computer hardware failure and redundancy due to network is two different things |
| 20:12.17 | dijenerate | thanks, the current recommendation is rsync/unison for apache and a master+slave setup for mysql\ |
| 20:12.25 | pipeline | dijenerate: use shared storage, run the apache+mysql server as a VM hosted by your clustered hosts |
| 20:12.49 | dijenerate | I have dns round robin setup for the ips/domain already |
| 20:12.57 | project2501a | dijenerate: you can help yourself by dumping mysql and going to postgres |
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| 20:13.11 | project2501a | and "shared storage" is not going to work, unless it is gpfs or cluster |
| 20:13.21 | daemon_mum | anyone know of a tool i can use to manage photos like flickr but only on my own hosting/domain opensource plz |
| 20:13.21 | project2501a | good luck doing writes to a database over nfs |
| 20:13.24 | Sazpaimon | yeah, didn't postgres 9 make giant leaps and bounds in regards to clustering? |
| 20:13.31 | project2501a | yes, they did |
| 20:13.57 | dijenerate | everything on the platform would have to be re-written to use postgre |
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| 20:14.21 | Sazpaimon | if your platform follows the sql standard, you shouldnt have to rewrite much |
| 20:14.33 | project2501a | i doubt it does |
| 20:14.42 | dijenerate | it doesn't |
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| 20:14.52 | project2501a | most people just use the mysql specific function calls. |
| 20:14.59 | project2501a | dijenerate: well, you got a problem, then |
| 20:14.59 | dijenerate | too much custom code over the last 2 yrs |
| 20:15.30 | dijenerate | I was thinking zfs maybe using fuse for shared storage |
| 20:15.49 | Sazpaimon | dijenerate, there's never a bad time to rewrite your code for the better |
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| 20:16.22 | dijenerate | I agree but we don't have enough time to |
| 20:17.04 | Sazpaimon | pfft, time is overrated |
| 20:17.05 | pipeline | project2501a: shared storage is a solved problem ... ocfs2 is freeeee |
| 20:17.19 | pipeline | project2501a: also database writes over NFS wor kjust fine |
| 20:17.20 | twobitsprite | someone remind me: will a script run by cron inherit an environment in which $HOME/.bashrc has been run? |
| 20:17.30 | pipeline | project2501a: in fact oracle recommends NFS ... oracle's hosted oracle product uses NFS storage :P |
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| 20:17.43 | pipeline | twobitsprite: not unless the SHELL is bash in the crontab |
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| 20:17.51 | pipeline | twobitsprite: better way to put it: don't assume so |
| 20:17.52 | dijenerate | just ideally we'd like something like a opensolaris/openindiana container where the deb instance is virtualized and the container sits on a clustered platform |
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| 20:18.16 | pipeline | I'm pretty tired of hearing about opensolaris/openindiana in #debian |
| 20:18.24 | pipeline | it is not on topic and it is unlikely that it ever will be |
| 20:18.24 | dijenerate | so one instance of deb dozens to hundreds of machines |
| 20:18.31 | pipeline | ditto for ZFS, unless you're talking about debian/kfreebsd |
| 20:18.36 | project2501a | pipeline: *fast* storage. |
| 20:18.46 | twobitsprite | pipeline: well... I'm doing retrospective analysis of a failed job, not making a new one... |
| 20:18.56 | pipeline | project2501a: OCFS2 is plenty fast. You're limited by the underlying hardware. |
| 20:19.23 | dijenerate | pipeline: it's a reference, I'm just describing what we're trying to create but I've been using linux for over 13 yrs |
| 20:19.44 | pipeline | dijenerate: it's an off-topic reference, discuss it elsewhere |
| 20:19.48 | dijenerate | and don't really want to change core os at this stage |
| 20:20.28 | niklaswe | does someone know a good program to limit bandwith ? like ftp,torrents, and stuff like that. |
| 20:20.34 | dijenerate | pipeline: you miss my point... it's on topic, I'm asking for help in achieving that effect using deb |
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| 20:21.34 | pipeline | niklaswe: There's no good way to do packet shaping, just a variety of bad ones. iptables comes with debian and can be configured to rate-limit connections by any parameter you like. It's a bad idea. If at all possible, spend the money to make the pipe suck less. |
| 20:21.38 | dijenerate | I want one instance of deb running on dozens~hundreds of physical machines where I can add and replace hardware at will |
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| 20:22.17 | pipeline | dijenerate: physics makes that rather challenging to accomplish with commodity hardware. |
| 20:22.20 | cafarooo | Hi, trying to replace a disk in a raid1 configuration, I mark it failed and remove it with mdadm, shutdown, add the new physical disk, copy over the partitiontable from the mirrored drive with sfdisk -d, add the drive with mdadm, wait for it to sync... After rebooting, /proc/mdstat tells me the replaced drive it not connected! ([U_]) Please need some help, been stuck on this all weekend :( |
| 20:22.20 | dijenerate | I've considered a cluster with virtual/loopback deb running inside |
| 20:22.31 | dijenerate | what are the thoughts... |
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| 20:22.42 | pipeline | cafarooo: hardware issue |
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| 20:22.58 | cafarooo | pipeline: hardware issue? |
| 20:23.09 | dijenerate | thais way I don't need to cluster apache, the filesystem or mysql seperately |
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| 20:23.28 | pipeline | cafarooo: yep. When you reboot and the controller doesn't acknowledge the drive, that's a hardware issue. |
| 20:23.35 | Sw33NY | please, i have sound with mplayer but no with dragon player ou vlc, why and what can i do ? |
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| 20:23.52 | dijenerate | pipeline: our design was a challenge to begin with |
| 20:23.53 | pipeline | cafarooo: if both disk devices are in fact present, you should check /var/log/messages. mdadm is quite verbose at assembly time about WHY a drive gets kicked out [U_] |
| 20:24.15 | cafarooo | pipeline: ok thanks will check |
| 20:24.19 | dijenerate | pipeline: we thought of everything except deployment clustering |
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| 20:25.11 | aleksander_m | hi everyone, why do I get the login screen fully frozen (both keyboard and touchpad) after installing wheezy from scratch? |
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| 20:27.11 | jhutchins_lt | aleksander_m: You're supposed to figure that out, that's why you run wheezy. |
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| 20:28.11 | niklaswe | pipeline: okey =) |
| 20:28.36 | aleksander_m | jhutchins_lt, hehe yeah, I hoped someone had already any hint on that |
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| 20:31.59 | nick[0] | Hi. My /var/run/motd is messed up. It's stuck at "11 packages can be updated" and won't change, no matter what I do. How should I debug this? |
| 20:32.02 | dijenerate | pipeline: I'm presently using debian squeeze as a server base and would ideally like to have one instance running across multiple machines for redundancy and power/resource distribution... do you think the loopback method on a debian cluster could work? |
| 20:32.14 | pipeline | dijenerate: you can't do what you describe |
| 20:32.47 | dijenerate | pipeline: what's the next best option... |
| 20:33.00 | project2501a | buy better hardware, put proxy in front |
| 20:33.08 | pipeline | dijenerate: rewrite your application to be distributed an at an application layer, where you can sensibly compensate for latency |
| 20:33.18 | pipeline | dijenerate: distributed operating systems were the holy grail of the 80s, and every single one of them sucked ass |
| 20:33.29 | project2501a | pipeline: hey! plan 9 rocks |
| 20:33.44 | pipeline | dijenerate: in the modern era one handles these problems with message passing APIs e.g. MPI |
| 20:33.44 | project2501a | dijenerate: either that or buy vmware server it does what you want. |
| 20:33.49 | dijenerate | it's a cloud platform on apache+mysql |
| 20:33.54 | project2501a | LOL |
| 20:33.55 | project2501a | cloud |
| 20:34.00 | project2501a | ok, next question. |
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| 20:34.02 | pipeline | project2501a: he keeps talking about distributing a single system image across multiple pieces of hardware, which vmware most assuredly doesn't do |
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| 20:34.16 | project2501a | it does redundancy. |
| 20:34.19 | project2501a | with 0 delay |
| 20:34.25 | pipeline | it's a lot more than zero delay |
| 20:34.31 | pipeline | and it's not what he's talking about |
| 20:34.33 | project2501a | i must have mis-read his statements, my bad. |
| 20:34.38 | pipeline | you can accomplish failover on debian today 100% free software |
| 20:34.46 | pipeline | using kvm, shared storage, and your choice of management tools |
| 20:35.08 | cafarooo | how to search search for a case-insensitive pattern with less? |
| 20:35.10 | dijenerate | so this is why the openindiana/opensolaris community thinks we are a joke... |
| 20:35.31 | dijenerate | *nodding head* |
| 20:35.32 | project2501a | we? |
| 20:35.38 | project2501a | who is we? |
| 20:35.41 | dijenerate | linux community |
| 20:35.57 | project2501a | why do they think the linux community is a joke? |
| 20:36.06 | JoshH | because we don't have zfs? |
| 20:36.07 | dijenerate | that I've been a part of for 13 yrs |
| 20:36.25 | project2501a | JoshH: i got gpfs, does that count? |
| 20:36.26 | dijenerate | because we argue like arrogant pre-teens |
| 20:36.29 | JoshH | i wouldn't ever use something called openindiana just because it sounds ridiculous |
| 20:36.59 | dijenerate | and make comments like this: 'i wouldn't ever use something called openindiana just because it sounds ridiculous' |
| 20:37.03 | JoshH | pre-teens don't argue, they just scream to justin beiber |
| 20:37.14 | Sw33NY | please, i have sound with mplayer but no with dragon player ou vlc, why and what can i do ? |
| 20:37.15 | JoshH | well, it does |
| 20:37.16 | project2501a | dijenerate: you are coming on a support channel to get an answer to a general computer architecture for a "cloud" and you want me to take you seriously? |
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| 20:37.43 | project2501a | a general HARD-TO-ANSWER systems architecture, even. |
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| 20:38.28 | dijenerate | I actually want someone to give a mature answer on where this may already be done or been attempted under gnu |
| 20:38.37 | project2501a | dijenerate: it has. |
| 20:38.52 | nick[0] | Sw33NY: 1) find out which audio output mplayer is using 2) switch dragon player ou vlc to this |
| 20:38.57 | dijenerate | since a support channel would have devs and users from every area |
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| 20:39.10 | project2501a | no, we are all just sysadmins here. |
| 20:39.26 | dijenerate | well times have changed... |
| 20:39.38 | project2501a | but sysadmins remain grumpy as ever |
| 20:40.14 | project2501a | so, opensolaris can have their "enterprise" |
| 20:40.18 | dijenerate | back in '01 this is where I'd ask first then someone would suggest a channel/newsgroup/site |
| 20:40.20 | nick[0] | Sw33NY: more specifically, run mplayer in a terminal with "mplayer -ao alsa filename" and also try -ao oss, alsa, esd, pulse, and sdl, until you find out which one works |
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| 20:41.18 | JoshH | you should use google |
| 20:41.35 | dijenerate | I have been a part of many dev projects and for 10 yrs that's how we did our research |
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| 20:41.47 | dijenerate | google doesn't think |
| 20:41.50 | project2501a | on irc? |
| 20:41.58 | dijenerate | yup |
| 20:42.16 | project2501a | hokaaaaaay. it's like asking the reddit hivemind if they like bacon |
| 20:42.28 | dijenerate | we ask, someone answers.... if no-one had done it, we started a channel |
| 20:42.32 | JoshH | what was your question anyway? |
| 20:42.49 | project2501a | how can he make a cloud. |
| 20:42.53 | JoshH | i'm too lazy to scroll up, like most people on irc |
| 20:43.00 | JoshH | which is why serious discussions here are dumb |
| 20:43.12 | dijenerate | that's how #handhelds #elinux and #edev came about among others |
| 20:43.13 | JoshH | ask a quick question about mplayer or kde then get out |
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| 20:43.52 | project2501a | well, in my days, i had to walk in the snow to get to a computer.... |
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| 20:44.46 | nick[0] | dijenerate: I would suggest that you find a mailing list dedicated to discussing the pros & cons of various cloud architectures |
| 20:44.54 | Sazpaimon | when trying to manually configure a cross compile gcc (without using dpkg) I get: /usr/arm-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: this linker was not configured to use sysroots |
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| 20:45.58 | Sazpaimon | I built a cross binutils version 2.21.0.20110327 using dpkg-buildpackage, is there some limitation here? |
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| 20:46.51 | nick[0] | ok, so I've narrowed it down to pam_motd in libpam-modules. How can I debug this? |
| 20:46.58 | dijenerate | nick[0] and JoshH: question was how to run a single debian instance across multiple machines to allow redundancy and distributed resources/power, it can be done with a HA-Cluster of opensolaris and debian in a 'container' on the cluster.... I'm trying to do it on debian alone |
| 20:47.11 | project2501a | 4 more hours for weezy... |
| 20:47.38 | JoshH | why not just have a normal cluster? |
| 20:48.10 | JoshH | it does sound like a cool thing but it's not like something you can just fire up in squeeze |
| 20:48.11 | dijenerate | nick[0] and JoshH: I'm not asking about the cloud, that was only mentioned since that what's running on the deb, we have already written that platform |
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| 20:48.52 | aidan | Is it easy to update Python to 2.6 on Etch? |
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| 20:49.02 | project2501a | etch? |
| 20:49.05 | project2501a | etch?? |
| 20:49.08 | simonlnu | on etch? you're kidding right? |
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| 20:49.17 | simonlnu | !etch |
| 20:49.18 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 20:49.25 | nick[0] | dijenerate: ohh. From what you described at 14:46, it sounds like you want IBM Z series hardware. 'just saying, but I'm not an expert |
| 20:49.28 | twobitsprite | aidan: yes... upgrade to some thing recent like squeeze |
| 20:50.07 | project2501a | yeah, ibm z series, good stuff if you are a bank. |
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| 20:50.42 | nick[0] | project2401a: stuff like "a single debian instance across |
| 20:50.49 | nick[0] | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.04 | project2501a | nick[0]: i know mate, i used to run a bank. |
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| 20:51.13 | dijenerate | nick[0], JoshH: current recommendations are normal clustering using unison for the fs and mysql under a master multi-slave config.. a maintainence nightmare with th mysql eventually killing its own efficiency |
| 20:51.39 | simonlnu | mysql sucks, you know |
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| 20:51.43 | nick[0] | project2501a: wow. I have never. ;-) |
| 20:51.56 | project2501a | someone is actually recommending mysql for production? |
| 20:52.01 | project2501a | and people take him seriously? |
| 20:52.08 | simonlnu | you might prefer postgres or maridb |
| 20:52.09 | twobitsprite | project2501a: application-level failover is better than OS level, if available |
| 20:52.18 | simonlnu | mariadb* |
| 20:52.21 | dijenerate | nick[0]: multi machines on commodity hardware means overall we save time and money |
| 20:52.26 | project2501a | twobitsprite: i know: lsf-checkpoint ftw |
| 20:52.27 | Shadur | Does the debian version of postgres handle replication and/or mirroring yet? |
| 20:52.29 | Sw33NY | nick[0]: okay, that's work, sorry my computer has crashed, hmm it's alsa work with mplayer |
| 20:52.40 | simonlnu | Shadur: has for a while |
| 20:52.52 | Sw33NY | AO : [alsa] 48000Hz 2ch s16le .... |
| 20:52.53 | project2501a | Shadur: yeah, postgress 9.0 works just fine. |
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| 20:53.30 | simonlnu | ok, a short while :P |
| 20:53.32 | Shadur | And speaking of big site production, I keep getting told that powerdns using pgsql is significantly better than bind, but I'm a bit leery of switching over given that the ISP I work for does DNS hosting for 2000+ domains. |
| 20:53.45 | project2501a | erh, whut? |
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| 20:54.05 | twobitsprite | project2501a: but it sounds to me like you're looking for OS-level redundancy |
| 20:54.24 | project2501a | me? i am looking for 7.5 million usd to expand my altix uv 1000 |
| 20:54.26 | simonlnu | bind loading 2000+ domains is supposedly slower than pdns at doing the same. but it's easy to figure out why. |
| 20:54.41 | dijenerate | twobitsprite: actually that is exactly what I'm looking for |
| 20:54.48 | project2501a | i am not looking for any kind of os-level redundancy |
| 20:54.54 | nick[0] | Sw33Ny: cool. I'm not familiar with vlc's options, but if you read "man vlc" and find alsa, and then run "vlc -someswitchfromthemanpage alsa filename" it should work. After that, you'll need to research how to make the vlc always use alsa |
| 20:55.01 | Shadur | Sure, reading flat config files into memory and needing a reload instruction before a change goes through may sound clunky, but I don't like thinking about the several zillion DNS queries a day we're fielding and how well it'd hold up if it had to make an sql query for each of them. |
| 20:55.02 | dijenerate | I want the OS to behave like a zfs zpool |
| 20:55.16 | twobitsprite | project2501a: sorry, got you and dijenerate confused I guess |
| 20:55.23 | project2501a | Shadur: let me introduce you to rndc |
| 20:55.34 | simonlnu | Shadur: caching. i'm just paraphrasing the pdns docs |
| 20:56.10 | twobitsprite | dijenerate: not sure if you caught what I said first to project2501a, but if available, application level redundancy is better than OS level |
| 20:56.22 | simonlnu | fyi, debian's pdns-recursor is b0rked (i should file a bug, haven't yet) |
| 20:56.26 | twobitsprite | dijenerate: what are you going to be running on this system? |
| 20:56.26 | project2501a | lsf-checkpoint + mpi-checkpoint, yo |
| 20:56.36 | Shadur | project2501a: I already use rndc to only reload the changed domains. But now I've been asked to investigate the possibility of migrating to pdns/postgres so that the mangler can subsequenly tell me to write a web-based frontend to make DNS changes. |
| 20:56.56 | project2501a | mangler? |
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| 20:57.15 | Sw33NY | ok nick[0] merci beaucoup -> thanks a lot ! |
| 20:57.15 | simonlnu | Shadur: those exist already. you could probably un-bitrot one of those |
| 20:57.17 | cafarooo | pipeline: about my raid problem, I found in the log, that my "non-fresh" sdb was kicked from the array, but my sdb is a brand new disk which I've never used before, and I've made sure I didn't power off my machine before the disk synchronization was fully completed... any ideas? |
| 20:57.33 | project2501a | Shadur: web front ends for dns chances already exist. |
| 20:57.50 | simonlnu | Shadur: one of them works rather well, and needs only a bit of tlc |
| 20:57.57 | project2501a | or tk |
| 20:58.45 | moalee_beddiebye | HOW THE HECK Does this damn tassimo machine work ;\ |
| 20:58.45 | dijenerate | twobitsprite: mysql, apache and a bunch of networking tools and scripts to do traffic control |
| 20:58.47 | moalee_beddiebye | lol |
| 20:59.07 | dijenerate | twobitsprite: that is traffic passing through the machines which also act as gateways |
| 20:59.13 | nick[0] | twobitsprite, dijenerate, project2501a: the redundant "array" of commodity hardware a la Google works at the application level, or the OS level? I was under the impression it worked at the application level. |
| 20:59.25 | Shadur | simonlnu: I've looked at a few and wound up clawing my eyeballs out when I realized how drastically I'd have to alter the structure of every single zone file to accomodate the frontend. |
| 20:59.25 | project2501a | application level |
| 20:59.45 | dijenerate | on Amazon's ECS cloud running OpenSolaris it works at the OS level |
| 20:59.50 | project2501a | nick_h: that way you can detect cheaply when a process does not fail. it simply does not respond. |
| 20:59.52 | twobitsprite | dijenerate: networked storage, I assume? |
| 20:59.56 | simonlnu | Shadur: you must've seen one of the nastier ones |
| 21:00.01 | dijenerate | and there is no reason we shouldn't be able to do that under linux |
| 21:00.11 | nick[0] | dijenerate: on commodity hardware... |
| 21:00.14 | dijenerate | twobitsprite: networked storage |
| 21:00.22 | Shadur | simonlnu: The one that still expected register_globals to be set to on was a particularly nightmarish touch. |
| 21:00.31 | simonlnu | Shadur: i can get you the name, but one i only had to mod the css and a few lines of (gasp!) php |
| 21:00.34 | dijenerate | nick[0]: it's possible to do it |
| 21:00.39 | project2501a | dijenerate: you are talking about job migration/checkpoint on the OS level. it is still in the works in the kernel. |
| 21:00.40 | simonlnu | yeh, that was one is bad |
| 21:00.57 | project2501a | dijenerate: elsewise, you are welcome to go run irix. |
| 21:01.06 | twobitsprite | dijenerate: clvm + heartbeat and/or as project2501a recomments, lfs-checkpoint |
| 21:01.07 | dijenerate | nick[0]: commodity being 16GB RAM and dual socket g35 opterons |
| 21:01.35 | project2501a | twobitsprite: last night lsf-checkpoint saved my life |
| 21:01.39 | pipeline | cafarooo: unclean shutdown of the mdadm array ? |
| 21:01.40 | project2501a | from burning |
| 21:01.45 | twobitsprite | lol |
| 21:01.47 | project2501a | last night the dj saaaaaaaaaaaaaved my life! |
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| 21:02.34 | cafarooo | pipeline: I'm quite sure my pc was on all the time, and I just did a "reboot" after the sync was done |
| 21:02.44 | project2501a | there is going to be checkpointing and job migration in the kernel, but you have to wait for a couple of years. |
| 21:02.51 | pipeline | cafarooo: yeah check the logs -- betting that your mdadm array wasn't cleanly stopped |
| 21:02.53 | twobitsprite | !tell dijenerate about heartbeat |
| 21:02.59 | Sw33NY | nick[0]: you are my hero |
| 21:03.14 | Sw33NY | nick[0]: go to VLC settings and choice ALSA output |
| 21:03.29 | Sw33NY | nick[0]: all the day i searched :p |
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| 21:03.55 | dijenerate | twobitsprite: have used it for a mysql ha-cluster in the past |
| 21:04.14 | nick[0] | Sw33NY: sometimes things hide in plain sight! ;-) |
| 21:04.29 | dijenerate | twobitsprite: with this new design, it will be a maintenance nightmare |
| 21:04.31 | Sw33NY | :) |
| 21:04.40 | project2501a | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtfZbj4J71A |
| 21:04.59 | twobitsprite | dijenerate: is there something about your requirements that necessitate your current design? |
| 21:05.00 | project2501a | mysql + hacluster == NULL |
| 21:05.15 | project2501a | twobitsprite: man, why do you have to ask sensible questions. |
| 21:05.31 | twobitsprite | project2501a: shhh :P |
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| 21:06.35 | twobitsprite | dijenerate: because it sounds to me like you might have designed your solution with built in dependencies on things you probably could have done with lsf/heartbeat/clvm or something like that |
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| 21:07.14 | project2501a | or torque if you do not have high-end batch scheduler requirements. |
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| 21:09.07 | dijenerate | twobitsprite: we have built and tested this system in the lab for the past 2.5 yrs and it's design and all dependent external systems are pretty much ready for prime-time but it currently runs on a single host server |
| 21:09.19 | dijenerate | we need it scaled and redundant |
| 21:09.41 | dijenerate | and we need this scalability to be relatively easily maintainable |
| 21:10.09 | project2501a | what was the estimated time for project completion ? |
| 21:10.18 | dijenerate | so no mysql nightmares no file-system incoherence issues |
| 21:10.27 | dijenerate | project is 1 month from completion |
| 21:10.37 | twobitsprite | dijenerate: well... I'm not going to sit here and review your design, but I susped you could have worked in application level clustering at somepoint early on in the design process, but you didn't and now you're looking to retro-fit your singlular system on to a cloud model |
| 21:10.43 | project2501a | does not sound like it. |
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| 21:11.13 | dijenerate | it was suggested that we switch from debian to openindiana, but I don't want to abandon linux and finance won't allow the 6 months+ of funding it will take to convert |
| 21:11.58 | project2501a | dijenerate: have you looked at job migration and check-pointing? |
| 21:12.01 | dijenerate | twobitsprite: the irony is that the singular system hosts a cloud |
| 21:12.12 | JoshH | dijenerate: get a different job imo |
| 21:12.22 | project2501a | somehow i fail to see how a single system is a cloud.... |
| 21:13.07 | dijenerate | project2501a: the platform allows cloud based applications to run... |
| 21:13.26 | dijenerate | project2501a: and many SaaS applications that have never been possible before |
| 21:13.32 | nick[0] | I'm just saying, a Type 1 hypervisor seems to be what he's describing.... |
| 21:13.45 | project2501a | yeah, but he does not want to pay for it. |
| 21:14.03 | dijenerate | project2501a: however our problem is replication of the server and synch of the replicates |
| 21:14.20 | cafarooo | pipeline: context of the md error: http://pastebin.com/N8QNKNM2 |
| 21:14.24 | rmoreira_ | dijenerate, why openindiana ? |
| 21:14.38 | twobitsprite | dijenerate: there's always vmware |
| 21:14.39 | project2501a | rmoreira_: because it has checkpointing |
| 21:14.42 | dijenerate | project2501a: problem isn't cost, the problem is what ever we use has to be done on hardware available anywhere from any vendor |
| 21:15.03 | pipeline | dijenerate: #debian-offtopic |
| 21:15.07 | moalee_beddiebye | dijenerate, not a huge fan of SaaS |
| 21:15.07 | project2501a | dijenerate: job migration and checkpointing on the oss level. |
| 21:15.12 | pipeline | project2501a: that goes for you, also #debian-offtopic |
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| 21:15.18 | project2501a | alright |
| 21:15.30 | twobitsprite | doesn't see how it's off-topic, but ok |
| 21:15.30 | dijenerate | pipeline: ok... np |
| 21:15.33 | pipeline | cafarooo: yes, we know that sdb isn't fresh. The question is why. The interesting log snippets are going to be during shutdown. |
| 21:15.48 | almonds | soo i logged into this debian box via putty , typed shutdown -r now and it WONT reboot |
| 21:15.57 | JoshH | it's off topic becuase it's a dumb idea/question, and not specific to debian, at this point |
| 21:16.06 | jhutchins_lt | almonds: What IS it doing? |
| 21:16.10 | pipeline | cafarooo: unfortunately those log snippets might not be on disk, because the mdadm unclean shutdown may happen ofter the logger dies |
| 21:16.18 | almonds | it says the system is going down for reboot now |
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| 21:16.20 | almonds | but it doesnt |
| 21:16.23 | twobitsprite | JoshH: fair enough :P |
| 21:16.39 | jhutchins_lt | almonds: What do the logs say? |
| 21:16.49 | almonds | im super newb how do i see logs |
| 21:16.56 | twobitsprite | almonds: how long ago did you run the shutdown command? |
| 21:17.07 | almonds | i tried it like 10min ago |
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| 21:17.12 | almonds | and again 2min ago |
| 21:17.24 | moalee_beddiebye | dijenerate, what kind of service are providing? |
| 21:18.16 | almonds | i also tried shutdown -rf now |
| 21:18.48 | jhutchins_lt | less +G /var/log/syslog |
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| 21:20.13 | almonds | hmm |
| 21:20.13 | almonds | shutting down for sys reboot |
| 21:20.13 | almonds | init switching to runlevel 6 |
| 21:20.13 | almonds | — mark -- |
| 21:20.13 | almonds | and |
| 21:20.14 | almonds | shutting down for sys reboot |
| 21:20.14 | almonds | twice |
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| 21:21.26 | almonds | http://i.imgur.com/duFSl.png |
| 21:21.27 | jhutchins_lt | almonds: dmesg | tail 10 |
| 21:21.28 | almonds | ^ screen shot |
| 21:21.47 | jhutchins_lt | tail /var/log/messages |
| 21:22.15 | almonds | i cant get back to cmd line :[ |
| 21:22.21 | jhutchins_lt | Any other suspicious behavior? Why are you rebooting? |
| 21:22.23 | almonds | im stuck in that less view |
| 21:22.26 | jhutchins_lt | q to quit less |
| 21:22.33 | almonds | ty |
| 21:22.54 | almonds | because this app malfunctioned |
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| 21:23.07 | jhutchins_lt | WHICH app. |
| 21:23.08 | keith4 | you sound like a Windows admin |
| 21:23.18 | jhutchins_lt | keith4: No need to be rude. |
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| 21:23.41 | jhutchins_lt | malfunctioned how. |
| 21:24.06 | jhutchins_lt | almonds: Being parsimonious with information will not get your problem solved quickly. |
| 21:24.10 | almonds | the app is on windows, it connects to the debian box to access the data, but now its stuck, its a proprietary app |
| 21:24.38 | jhutchins_lt | almonds: What sort of data? sql server or something? Which one? |
| 21:24.49 | almonds | it uses sql |
| 21:25.00 | keith4 | jhutchins_lt: "shutdown -rf" is windows syntax |
| 21:25.17 | almonds | help said -f is a "fast reboot" switch |
| 21:25.19 | almonds | on debian |
| 21:25.21 | jhutchins_lt | keith4: It appears you were right. |
| 21:25.39 | jhutchins_lt | almonds: Shutdown is a generic linux command, not debian specific. |
| 21:25.48 | jhutchins_lt | almonds: Anyway, see if the sql server is hung. |
| 21:25.53 | keith4 | almonds: where are you seeing that? |
| 21:25.59 | froggyman | A recent update from 'unstable' seems to have made that kernel version unbootable. I've never had this kind of problem before, any ideas how I could roll back my last two sets of updates ? |
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| 21:26.19 | keith4 | -f is "skip fsck on next boot" |
| 21:26.20 | xand | froggyman: unstable isn't supported here |
| 21:26.35 | xand | only use it if you don't care if it breaks :P |
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| 21:26.43 | keith4 | froggyman: if you have to ask, you shouldn't be using unstable ;-) |
| 21:26.55 | jhutchins_lt | froggyman: Restore the backup you made before the update. If you didn't make a backup before updating unstable, install stable. |
| 21:27.34 | almonds | how can i check if its hung |
| 21:28.00 | almonds | i'll try to explain a bit better sorry |
| 21:28.05 | keith4 | pastebin the output of 'top -n 1' |
| 21:28.31 | froggyman | jhutchins_lt, I guess that would be why I make those backups |
| 21:29.52 | Sw33NY | hmm i have downloaded 'flash player for amd64', it's libflashplayer.so but i don't know how install it for opera browser ? |
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| 21:30.20 | almonds | http://i.imgur.com/jsqsO.png |
| 21:30.29 | jhutchins_lt | So you want to install a non-debian plugin on a non-debian browser, and you want us to help you? |
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| 21:30.50 | jhutchins_lt | I'm pretty sure Adobe has instructions. |
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| 21:31.06 | froggyman | keith4, I've been doing pretty good on unstable for the past 6 months or so |
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| 21:32.01 | Sw33NY | yeah jhutchins_lt, sorry i thinking people can help me |
| 21:32.06 | jhutchins_lt | froggyman: That's because sqeeze was frozen, which tends to make sid more stable. |
| 21:32.35 | jhutchins_lt | !tel Sw33NY about flash |
| 21:32.40 | jhutchins_lt | !tell Sw33NY about flash |
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| 21:33.21 | almonds | i this non-rebooting issue common |
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| 21:33.25 | almonds | is this |
| 21:33.27 | Sw33NY | thanks jhutchins_lt i go to read this |
| 21:33.42 | Raptors | hey guys what is the name of the linux distro based on compiling? |
| 21:33.52 | jhutchins_lt | Raptors: Gentoo. |
| 21:33.57 | Raptors | thanks |
| 21:34.02 | jhutchins_lt | Raptors: Or lfs |
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| 21:35.16 | keith4 | almonds: you only need to reboot for hardware changes or new kernels |
| 21:35.26 | jhutchins_lt | keith4: Usually. |
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| 21:35.34 | keith4 | or *really* angry NFS ;-) |
| 21:35.43 | jhutchins_lt | almonds: I've seen it but it's rare. |
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| 21:36.02 | nick[0] | Raptors: or Slackware with Slackbuilds.org, or Archlinux (optionally), or Crux, or that Sorcerer-something, or Lunar, or Rock-linux and its love-children, or....there are many |
| 21:36.07 | almonds | there is also some project i saw that lets you not reboot for new kernels |
| 21:36.09 | jhutchins_lt | keith4: Yeah, nfs hangs will hang shutdowns too. |
| 21:36.37 | keith4 | almonds: anything funky in dmesg? |
| 21:36.58 | Kull | Raptors: _every_ distro can be fully compiled from source. You do _not_ need to use Gentoo or Crux to have a source based distro. Even Debian can be a source-based distro if you want. |
| 21:36.59 | keith4 | you also might need to go peek at the console itself, to see if it's full of warnings |
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| 21:37.22 | almonds | the box is in manhattan |
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| 21:37.31 | jhutchins_lt | almonds: I take it you are not? |
| 21:37.33 | almonds | im out in long island |
| 21:37.34 | keith4 | almonds: time for a phone call ;-) |
| 21:37.49 | Raptors | Kull, I know |
| 21:37.55 | jhutchins_lt | almonds: Yeah, it's probably time to get a hard reboot. Let me guess, everybody went home at 5. |
| 21:38.16 | almonds | they are not allowed to touch my box, i gotta go myself |
| 21:38.35 | almonds | dmesg | tail 10 says cannot open "10" for reading |
| 21:38.36 | jhutchins_lt | Ought to get yourself a way to authorize it. |
| 21:38.46 | nick[0] | Kull: that's a very good point. Mind you, debian/{rules,control,etc.} takes a non-trivial amount of effort to understand |
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| 21:38.55 | jhutchins_lt | almonds: Sorry, it's tail -10 |
| 21:38.59 | keith4 | almonds: LIRR runs all night, doesn't it? ;-) |
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| 21:39.43 | almonds | output http://i.imgur.com/2DZdG.png |
| 21:39.43 | keith4 | good luck. i'm out |
| 21:39.47 | Marx82 | hello |
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| 21:40.33 | jhutchins_lt | almonds: I would recommend that you read some stuff like the system administrator's guide at tldp.org and some basic linux tutorials. |
| 21:40.52 | jhutchins_lt | almonds: You have a lot of tools at your disposal, but it takes some effort to get started. |
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| 21:41.22 | almonds | yea this is how i learn, on the job training, chatrooms, playing |
| 21:41.26 | Marx82 | I've some problems with Gnome afrer upgrading (no dist-upgrade). It is very slow. The mouse become slow too, but when in GDM it is not slow. Anyone can help me? |
| 21:41.58 | jhutchins_lt | almonds: If it's a VM they have to reboot it for you anyway. |
| 21:42.01 | Marx82 | I've tried to google around without success |
| 21:42.11 | almonds | nah its a physical box |
| 21:42.32 | jhutchins_lt | almonds: A physical box with a bond0 network connection? |
| 21:42.46 | jhutchins_lt | Marx82: Which release? |
| 21:42.46 | almonds | yea |
| 21:42.56 | almonds | its a sniffer :] |
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| 21:43.01 | Marx82 | jhutchins_lt: unstable |
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| 21:43.23 | jhutchins_lt | Marx82: There you have it. Restore the backup you made before you upgraded. |
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| 21:43.58 | almonds | what does init do |
| 21:44.00 | monkey_d_luffy | Can anyone tell me what the best quality font is (both for X and console)? I see different "packs": otf-ipaexfont, ttf-kochi, ttf-sazanami, ttf-takao. If it matters, I use dejavu sans on my desktop environment. |
| 21:44.01 | almonds | is init hung? |
| 21:44.06 | Marx82 | jhutchins_lt: hehe..... maybe a solution could be to use the dist-upgrade option? |
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| 21:44.17 | jhutchins_lt | Marx82: I doubt it. |
| 21:44.19 | Kull | I forget the syntax to ignore all parts/joins using weechat. How do I do it? I feel retarded. |
| 21:44.40 | I_Died_Once | Hey, quick question - i need some sort of program that will tell me, in a right-click, maybe, the codecs used and the aspect ratio of a given video |
| 21:44.52 | Sazpaimon | how can i build gcc and link it against a specific libc6 version |
| 21:44.55 | Marx82 | jhutchins_lt: because I have no backup. |
| 21:44.56 | jhutchins_lt | Kull: No clue, is there a #weechat? A website? |
| 21:44.57 | Marx82 | :( |
| 21:45.06 | jhutchins_lt | Marx82: Install stable. |
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| 21:45.36 | Sazpaimon | I'm getting to this point: http://pastebin.com/F2hzz2Gw |
| 21:45.44 | Marx82 | jhutchins_lt: why? I prefer to have latest software |
| 21:45.51 | Marx82 | version |
| 21:45.54 | jhutchins_lt | !sid |
| 21:45.54 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 21:46.03 | Sazpaimon | I'm specifying the systoot in the command line, yet ld keeps looking at /lib/ |
| 21:46.06 | Kull | jhutchins_lt: /filter add jpk * irc_join,irc_part,irc_quit * |
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| 21:46.23 | Marx82 | got it |
| 21:47.18 | Marx82 | but is not a problem of broken package. Maybe I should report the problem as a bug |
| 21:47.59 | Sazpaimon | for some reason ld seems to completely ignore my sysroot :/ |
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| 21:49.45 | nick[0] | Marx82: I've never used it, but I've heard good things about aptosid aka Sidux. Personally, I'd run it before vanilla sid any day |
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| 21:52.24 | Marx82 | thanks nick[0] |
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| 21:53.23 | Marx82 | Usually I don't have problem using unstable. I mean...sometimes happens..... |
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| 21:53.59 | almonds | so, shutdown -r didnt work |
| 21:54.01 | almonds | -h worked |
| 21:54.08 | Kull | -r is roboot |
| 21:54.09 | almonds | now I need someone to hit the power button :( |
| 21:54.11 | Kull | reboot* |
| 21:54.28 | Kull | You should have shutdown -p to poweroff |
| 21:54.42 | almonds | isnt that weird though, it wont reboot, it ignored my reboot command |
| 21:54.52 | almonds | but -h it accepted |
| 21:55.09 | almonds | thats very mean of debian |
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| 21:56.59 | almonds | gotta go, thanks a lot guys |
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| 22:00.03 | kryl | hi |
| 22:00.04 | kryl | do you know if it is possible to stop power on dedicated usb device ? (when I turn off my computer one external usb HD continue to work the motor is noisy) |
| 22:00.42 | MrFrood | kryl: switch the power offf at plug socket |
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| 22:01.01 | Marx82 | how do I reconfigure Xorg via console: I tryed with "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" but it does nothing. |
| 22:01.02 | kryl | MrFrood, ? |
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| 22:01.25 | MrFrood | kryl: uplug from the mains ;) |
| 22:01.45 | kryl | MrFrood, it's not my question lol |
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| 22:02.06 | cafarooo | after writing a partition table with fdisk, and rebooting, the partition table is still displayed using fdisk -l, but when I check the file: /dev/sdb1, it doesn't exist anymore, it this expected? |
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| 22:03.45 | Diytto | Is x64 64 bit? |
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| 22:03.55 | dvs | yes |
| 22:04.16 | Diytto | Oh okay |
| 22:04.24 | Diytto | And x86 is 32 bit? |
| 22:04.31 | dvs | yes |
| 22:04.33 | Diytto | Kk |
| 22:04.35 | Diytto | Thx |
| 22:04.43 | dvs | k |
| 22:04.57 | MrFrood | Diytto: a z80 is 8 bit ;) |
| 22:05.08 | Diytto | :o |
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| 22:05.19 | dvs | no, its 80-bit! |
| 22:05.50 | MrFrood | giggles |
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| 22:08.59 | macrobat | can i have one language for the desktop environment (xfce4) and another for the shell? |
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| 22:09.33 | macrobat | like swedish menu, english error messages |
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| 22:09.51 | carlo7 | my g++ is pointing on the wrong compiler: |
| 22:09.53 | carlo7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.53 | carlo7 | /usr/local/cuda/bin/g++ |
| 22:10.00 | carlo7 | how do i correct that? |
| 22:10.02 | v0rtex_ | What's wrong with this gnome-settings-daemon ? |
| 22:10.54 | macrobat | what does the deamon do? |
| 22:10.57 | MrFrood | macrobat: set the shells language in your shell's rc file |
| 22:11.17 | v0rtex_ | Well, sometimes it runs OK, but sometimes doesn't at all. |
| 22:11.23 | v0rtex_ | I don't know what's the problem... |
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| 22:12.32 | MrFrood | macrobat: man "your-shell" to find the appropiate enviromental vars |
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| 22:13.49 | macrobat | how do i set a language fo rthe DE? i tried editing /etc/locale.gen and running locale-gen, but menus are english and LANG is not set |
| 22:16.48 | moalee_beddiebye | anyone with firefox build xp able to take a peak at : http://pastebin.com/Mb1ByXpv http://pastebin.com/AxTzUH6s |
| 22:16.54 | moalee_beddiebye | seems to be having some issues im unfamiliar with |
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| 22:18.08 | monkey_d_luffy | I have a directory with about 70 GB and 5000 files which I have copied in the past from one computer to another. If I tried to synchronize things with rsync, how would it work? Does it take a top-down approach (check root dir, then children nodes, etc) for file size OR does it compare everyfile using md5sum (or other hash) ? |
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| 22:21.02 | macrobat | man rsync mentions some checks |
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| 22:22.38 | bst | macrobat: try dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 22:27.53 | aidan | Is it going to cause me epic pain upgrading to Python2.6 on Debian5? |
| 22:28.00 | Sazpaimon | is there a way to determine which version of libc6 a program is compiled for? |
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| 22:29.10 | torrancew | Sazpaimon: I believe you can use ldd for that, but I'm not sure the exact syntax |
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| 22:36.45 | gpm | hi i have an AR3011 bluetooth onboard. it shows up in lsusb but when i try to use the bluetooth gui it says i have no BT adapters plugged in. doesn't work on windows either. any clues/things to try? |
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| 22:37.38 | ActionParsnip | hey guys, do Debain releases go EOL like in Ubuntu? |
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| 22:38.28 | torrancew | gpm: make sure your bluetooth kernel modules are loaded, and that the bluetooth service is started |
| 22:38.48 | simonlnu | Debain, never heard of it. Debian, yes. |
| 22:38.59 | simonlnu | for example |
| 22:39.00 | MrFrood | ActionParsnip: EOL? |
| 22:39.01 | ActionParsnip | simonlnu: typo |
| 22:39.03 | simonlnu | !etch |
| 22:39.03 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 22:39.05 | ActionParsnip | MrFrood: end of life |
| 22:39.08 | simonlnu | end of line |
| 22:39.14 | ActionParsnip | simonlnu: thanks :) |
| 22:39.17 | simonlnu | ah, that too |
| 22:39.29 | ActionParsnip | simonlnu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch says its 'life' |
| 22:39.41 | ActionParsnip | :D |
| 22:39.54 | ActionParsnip | simonlnu: thanks, cleared a lot of stuff up |
| 22:40.10 | gpm | torrancew: done. ath3k loaded, bluetooth started...still no go. |
| 22:40.18 | esto | gpm: make sure the hardware button for bluetooth is on |
| 22:40.36 | simonlnu | np |
| 22:40.48 | gpm | esto: i don't see a button...there's an option in bios and i have it enabled there. |
| 22:41.13 | esto | some key in the keyboard about turning wifi/bt on |
| 22:41.20 | esto | with fn |
| 22:41.22 | torrancew | gpm: some laptops use the wifi button for bluetooth, as well. also, there are some kernel mods that are specifically bt |
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| 22:42.35 | torrancew | gpm: I have bluetooth, btusb and btsdio explicitly loaded |
| 22:43.02 | nyk2005 | I using samba to share files from debian to debian server. But it's slow and unreliable on folders containing more than 1e5 files. Is there a better alternative to samba? I looked at NFS, but I'm not convinced... |
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| 22:44.02 | gpm | torrancew: loaded. still no go. |
| 22:45.52 | torrancew | ouch |
| 22:46.07 | torrancew | at that point, I stop being useful. Not too much bluetooth experience here |
| 22:46.40 | torrancew | at least, nothing that the above, or getting a confirmed-supported bt card, or both, didn't fix |
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| 22:52.59 | gpm | torrancew: got it |
| 22:53.02 | gpm | firmware |
| 22:53.06 | gpm | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1264532&page=3 |
| 22:53.14 | gpm | fucking atheros |
| 22:53.59 | torrancew | oi |
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| 22:54.54 | aidan | Is it going to cause me epic pain upgrading to Python2.6 on Debian5? |
| 22:55.09 | aidan | !lenny->squeeze |
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| 22:58.47 | thewanderer1 | hmmm, apt-cacher-ng often slows down, got an alternative that works with minimum or no client config / usability changes? |
| 23:00.33 | torrancew | thewanderer1: you could use squid to provide a transparent, caching proxy, and have it only cache .debs |
| 23:00.44 | torrancew | aka the squid-deb-proxy solution |
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| 23:01.07 | thewanderer1 | too complex, and I have Squid eat 1GB of RAM at one machine, not viable at all :/ |
| 23:01.42 | torrancew | fair |
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| 23:07.56 | resixian | anyone can recommend a (cheap) means to do off-site backups? especially something that could targetted with rdiff-backup would be nice |
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| 23:09.55 | bst | thewanderer1: maybe approx? |
| 23:10.04 | torrancew | resixian: target a local disk, then ship it offsite? I honestly can't think of many cheap ways... |
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| 23:11.03 | onoez_omg | it's not a debian-related question, but still... is there any more effective replacement for iptables? |
| 23:11.56 | torrancew | onoez_omg: what do you mean by more effective? |
| 23:12.14 | onoez_omg | we met pretty heavy ddos and iptables can't do nothing with it on current conditions |
| 23:12.33 | torrancew | can you elaborate? |
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| 23:13.58 | slipperz | hi |
| 23:14.05 | onoez_omg | well, after adding couple of thousands of simple rules it just simply not applies ones |
| 23:14.13 | Arrowmaster | if all the throughput is being used theres nothing you can do against a ddos |
| 23:14.44 | km | which is better machine to get? a pc or mac |
| 23:14.45 | onoez_omg | well, i just think its not heavy enough to move to some nice dc |
| 23:14.53 | slipperz | I have a fresh debian install on my other box, I just apt-get installed ssh'd ... soo I have sshd running. I can ssh from that box itself.... ssh localhost... and it works fine. If I try to ssh in from another box on my local network, it fails with connection refused. |
| 23:15.05 | slipperz | I can ping the box running ssh from other boxen on my network |
| 23:15.11 | MrFrood | km pdp-11 |
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| 23:15.52 | int80_h | how can I get a list of installed packages? |
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| 23:16.05 | streuner | int80_h: dpkg -l |
| 23:16.11 | onoez_omg | probably rule engine of iptables is not effective enough for such things |
| 23:16.20 | onoez_omg | thanks anyway |
| 23:16.23 | slipperz | Anyone have any idea what's wrong? |
| 23:16.25 | torrancew | onoez_omg: the results you get with iptables completely depend on how you structure your rules and chains |
| 23:16.49 | torrancew | however, there are additional modules you can use to limit the number of requests per client ip, etc |
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| 23:17.12 | Kull | slipperz: can you ping the ssh server from the remote box? |
| 23:17.18 | slipperz | yup |
| 23:17.21 | ice799 | If I know my apt repository has 3 versions of a deb in it, how can i tell apt to uninstall whatever version I have right now and install verion X instead ? |
| 23:17.39 | ice799 | note that version X may not be the most recent version, just some other version. |
| 23:17.46 | Kull | slipperz: and you are positive the sshd daemon is running? |
| 23:17.58 | Kull | sudo service ssh start |
| 23:18.00 | slipperz | yeah, on the box running the sshd, I can ssh localhost and it works |
| 23:18.13 | slipperz | i also did a ssh --restart |
| 23:18.18 | slipperz | just to make sure |
| 23:18.19 | torrancew | onoez_omg: for example, adding all those rules is a start, but if you don't add them in near the "top" of the ruleset, you'll waste tons of CPU time on bad packets, just to eventually discard them |
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| 23:18.48 | Kull | slipperz: did you change teh default port? |
| 23:18.53 | slipperz | nope |
| 23:18.56 | orflon | hello, there are many DVD images here, which one should I download: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 23:19.12 | streuner | slipperz: is wifi and ethernet running at the same time? |
| 23:19.15 | MrFrood | orflon: cd/dvd 1 |
| 23:19.15 | onoez_omg | torrancew, i just simply parse logs of mod_security and alerts of suhosin patch in syslog and after that i just aoutomatically create a simple rule that drops packets |
| 23:19.34 | orflon | MrFrood, what about the rest? What are they? |
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| 23:19.41 | slipperz | streuner, might be |
| 23:19.46 | slipperz | well |
| 23:19.49 | slipperz | the wifi isnt connected |
| 23:19.53 | slipperz | h/o |
| 23:19.55 | streuner | slipperz: well, just disable one of them |
| 23:19.58 | torrancew | onoez_omg: do you append the rules, or insert them into the top of the chain? |
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| 23:20.19 | MrFrood | orflon: everything that is in the repros in case you need to do a full off-line install |
| 23:20.19 | slipperz | just disabled the wireless |
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| 23:20.39 | onoez_omg | torrancew, just tonns of iptables -A INPUT -s -j DROP |
| 23:20.39 | onoez_omg | =) |
| 23:20.39 | slipperz | should I restart the daemon? |
| 23:20.39 | orflon | MrFrood, cool thanks |
| 23:20.40 | streuner | no |
| 23:20.53 | streuner | the daemon still running... |
| 23:21.03 | macrobat | how do i make sshd not start at boot? |
| 23:21.05 | torrancew | onoez_omg: if you're getting heavy ddossing, and your rules aren't helping, I'd recommend inserting them into a higher position, rather than just appending |
| 23:21.08 | streuner | its the route which isnt working then... |
| 23:21.25 | torrancew | so iptables -I INPUT <position #> .... |
| 23:21.39 | slipperz | disabled the wireless |
| 23:21.41 | slipperz | still not working :S |
| 23:22.08 | onoez_omg | torrancew, its pretty big botnet but things messed up after 4k rules were added |
| 23:22.09 | torrancew | slipperz: do you control the network you're working on? |
| 23:22.10 | streuner | macrobat: just rm runlevel? |
| 23:22.19 | torrancew | onoez_omg: that makes sense, due to teh CPU tax |
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| 23:22.40 | slipperz | yeah I do |
| 23:22.47 | onoez_omg | higher position won't help a lot ) |
| 23:23.00 | torrancew | onoez_omg: it may |
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| 23:23.25 | macrobat | remove runlevels? in debian? |
| 23:23.28 | streuner | macrobat: rcconf would help |
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| 23:24.06 | torrancew | onoez_omg: iptables can get very CPU intensive when a packet is being compared to a large number of rules |
| 23:24.14 | onoez_omg | i just need an effective tool that will allow to deal with packets with big amount of rules |
| 23:24.59 | torrancew | you're welcome to try firewall builder, but in general, I'd recommend using subchains and trying to re-architect it a bit |
| 23:25.25 | torrancew | if you're just using INPUT, and have 4k+ rules inside of it, without creating any custom chains, that will have some very nasty side effects |
| 23:25.52 | slipperz | torrancew, whyd you ask if i had control over the network I'm on? |
| 23:26.17 | onoez_omg | so how may i restructure all that stuff? |
| 23:26.20 | torrancew | slipperz: well, there's always the possibility of some network issue (firewalling, etc) |
| 23:26.34 | slipperz | errr |
| 23:26.35 | torrancew | but if you run it yourself, you're more aware of the current setup, and more in control |
| 23:26.38 | slipperz | there's no firewall |
| 23:26.49 | torrancew | that's why I stopped when you said you controlled it ;) |
| 23:26.55 | slipperz | just the box im talkign to you from, and the ssh box are online atm |
| 23:27.09 | torrancew | onoez_omg: let me see if I can find you a best practices or white paper of some type |
| 23:27.34 | onoez_omg | thanks |
| 23:28.48 | onoez_omg | btw i found this thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nftables |
| 23:28.52 | torrancew | hmmm, no one article is jumping out, but this is a pretty good guide |
| 23:28.53 | torrancew | http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch14_:_Linux_Firewalls_Using_iptables |
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| 23:29.19 | torrancew | basically, it is recommended that you take related rules, and create a custom chain for then |
| 23:29.22 | torrancew | them, even |
| 23:29.39 | torrancew | with iptables -N <name> |
| 23:30.15 | torrancew | then, you can put the rules into that chain, and replace that hunk of rules, with an iptables -j <chain-name> |
| 23:31.04 | torrancew | focus on learning how a packet traverses the chains and tables, and then use that knowledge when you re-architect it |
| 23:31.05 | onoez_omg | what is the goal? ) |
| 23:31.24 | onoez_omg | it seems impossible in my case |
| 23:31.34 | torrancew | well, each rule that a packet is compared to is going to burn valuable CPU resources/time |
| 23:32.09 | torrancew | when you have one chain, with 5k+ rules, it is a big waste, but if you split it off, you can have some packets follow a more "shallow" path |
| 23:32.53 | torrancew | because in iptables, a packet is going to be matched against all the rules in the relevant table, until it hits either a DROP, ACCEPT, or the end of the ruleset |
| 23:33.24 | aidan | What am I doing wrong here? apt-get -t squeeze-backports install python2.6 ... I get this "E: Couldn't find package python2.6 |
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| 23:33.26 | torrancew | so you want to make it so that your "bad" packets get dropped early |
| 23:33.40 | torrancew | and the good packets get scrutinized further down |
| 23:33.54 | streuner | judd, versions python2.6 |
| 23:33.56 | judd | Package python2.6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.6-8+b1; wheezy: 2.6.6-8+b1; sid: 2.6.6-10 |
| 23:33.57 | onoez_omg | too many bots, that won't really help i think =) |
| 23:34.06 | onoez_omg | thx anyway |
| 23:34.15 | torrancew | onoez_omg: you'd be surprised, but it's your call ultimately |
| 23:34.31 | torrancew | iptables can handle serious traffic, even serious bot traffic |
| 23:34.43 | Arrowmaster | aidan: why are you trying to install python2.6 from squeeze-backports? |
| 23:34.43 | torrancew | (if your machine has a reasonable cpu) |
| 23:34.52 | streuner | aidan: why do you need a backport at all? |
| 23:35.25 | torrancew | onoez_omg: I can't give you any more specific advice without more detail from you (and may not have the time to, to be honest) |
| 23:35.45 | streuner | aidan: stable and testing are -8 and sid is -10... |
| 23:36.29 | onoez_omg | thanks ) |
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| 23:38.50 | streuner | aidan: according to the situation of the packages, i doubt there is a backport for squeeze at all... |
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| 23:41.38 | streuner | (there is just no need for a backport) |
| 23:42.04 | mu | I upgraded to Debian 6 and now all my PHP scripts are returning 403s (lighttpd). Help? |
| 23:43.25 | aidan | Arrowmaster: I've been asking in here how to upgrade to py26 for the last two hours ... I don't know why I'm trying squeeze-backports, is there a better way? |
| 23:43.53 | verma_ | how come /etc/X11/Xsession is not sourcing any of the USERXSESSION files? How do I add custom startup commands for my startx? |
| 23:44.04 | Arrowmaster | aidan: squeeze already has python2.6 |
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| 23:44.26 | streuner | aidan: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 23:44.56 | NightMonkey | Howdy. Is there a nice little app to help merge diffs between new and old configuration files after updates? |
| 23:45.01 | aidan | streuner: 2.7-18lenny7 |
| 23:45.15 | aidan | NightMonkey: "diff" |
| 23:45.27 | streuner | aidan: (in other words, you are running a squeeze backport if you running squeeze, nothing else...) |
| 23:45.33 | Arrowmaster | aidan: python2.6 wont work on lenny, upgrade to squeeze |
| 23:45.34 | aidan | NightMonkey: oops maybe I misunderstood |
| 23:45.43 | aidan | streuner: oh, I see. |
| 23:45.51 | aidan | Arrowmaster: oh I double-see |
| 23:46.20 | aidan | I'm using -rscloud kernel, so until there's a squeeze version I must hold off? |
| 23:47.22 | Arrowmaster | is that some rackspace thing? |
| 23:47.46 | NightMonkey | aidan: Well, yeah, I'm looking for something that steps me through the changes, and asks me to keep or delete. |
| 23:48.00 | aidan | Arrowmaster: yes |
| 23:48.33 | Arrowmaster | yeah youll have to wait, although im shocked they dont support squeeze yet |
| 23:48.43 | Arrowmaster | actually no im not shocked, rackspace sucks |
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| 23:49.27 | slipperz | <slipperz> I have a fresh debian install on my other box, I just apt-get installed ssh'd ... soo I have sshd running. I can ssh from that box itself.... ssh localhost... and it works fine. If I try to ssh in from another box on my local network, it fails with connection refused. |
| 23:49.27 | slipperz | <slipperz> I can ping the box running ssh from other boxen on my network |
| 23:49.31 | slipperz | Anyone have a clue? |
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| 23:49.52 | streuner | well, you are able to ping that bitch? |
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| 23:50.08 | streuner | but you arent able to connect to sshd of it? |
| 23:50.19 | dondon | have the right IP? |
| 23:50.29 | dondon | have an iptable rules? |
| 23:50.32 | dondon | any* |
| 23:50.39 | NightMonkey | slipperz: Can you telnet to port 22 from another LAN box? |
| 23:50.45 | streuner | nah, no firewall he said |
| 23:50.51 | slipperz | I can ping it |
| 23:50.58 | streuner | hm |
| 23:51.23 | streuner | Did you alternate the port? |
| 23:51.27 | aidan | thanks everyone |
| 23:51.29 | slipperz | still the same port |
| 23:51.36 | slipperz | C:\Users\Jarred>ping 192.168.2.2 |
| 23:51.36 | slipperz | Pinging 192.168.2.2 with 32 bytes of data: |
| 23:51.36 | slipperz | Reply from 192.168.2.2: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=128 |
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| 23:51.39 | streuner | i.e. 222 or something else? So still 22? |
| 23:51.40 | streuner | hm |
| 23:51.42 | nevyn | wishes people would get over ping as the be-all and end all of network connectivity. |
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| 23:51.47 | slipperz | err oops |
| 23:51.56 | nevyn | slummer: that's nice but doesn't answer the question. |
| 23:52.08 | slipperz | I really have no idea what's causing it :s |
| 23:52.09 | verma_ | you may need to add a rule to /etc/hosts.allow? |
| 23:52.13 | streuner | slipperz: ping -c1 <IP> |
| 23:52.13 | slipperz | I added |
| 23:52.15 | nevyn | is it listening on port 22 do you have connectivity on port 22 |
| 23:52.23 | slipperz | sshd : ALL : ALLOW |
| 23:52.31 | slipperz | its listening on port 22 |
| 23:52.37 | slipperz | If i do ssh localhost on the actual box |
| 23:52.39 | slipperz | it works fine |
| 23:52.51 | NightMonkey | slipperz: "telnet <bad box> 22", please. |
| 23:52.53 | nevyn | slummer: did you change hosts.allow? |
| 23:52.59 | slipperz | telnet fails as well |
| 23:53.00 | Arrowmaster | there shouldnt be anything in /etc/hosts.allow or /etc/hosts.deny by default |
| 23:53.04 | Arrowmaster | did you edit them? |
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| 23:53.14 | slipperz | Arrowmaster, I added that one line after I realized I couldn't ssh to it |
| 23:53.15 | NightMonkey | slipperz: How does it fail? |
| 23:53.21 | slipperz | connection refused |
| 23:53.32 | Arrowmaster | i would remove it then |
| 23:53.35 | streuner | dpkg, connection refused |
| 23:53.35 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified IP address at all (e.g. apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
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| 23:53.49 | verma_ | I don't know if it matters, but I would just add sshd: ALL to /etc/hosts.allow .. since ALLOW is implicit |
| 23:53.52 | nevyn | slipperz: ps -ef|Grep sshd |
| 23:53.56 | nevyn | bleh little grep |
| 23:53.59 | nevyn | slipperz: ps -ef|grep sshd |
| 23:54.04 | slipperz | did that |
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| 23:54.07 | slipperz | sshd is running |
| 23:54.11 | NightMonkey | slipperz: Please wgetpaste your sshd_config from the bad box. |
| 23:54.13 | nevyn | slipperz: restart it. |
| 23:54.33 | streuner | true |
| 23:55.26 | nevyn | builds kernel to test a 3 line patch |
| 23:55.35 | NightMonkey | slipperz: Also, does "iptables -L -v" show anything on the bad box? |
| 23:56.01 | nevyn | sigh building kernels. I'm disturbed that I'm back at building goddamn kernels. |
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| 23:57.36 | WarrenChild | what is the debian server help room?? |
| 23:57.37 | dserban | Hmm I have a machine that will not boot after upgrading from lenny to squeeze. Seems that grub2 is the culprit this time, is there a discussion somewhere regarding grub and the upgrade path to squeeze? |
| 23:58.09 | streuner | WarrenChild: if you have a Debian related question, you arent in the wrong channel here :-P |
| 23:58.55 | WarrenChild | well, I just got done setting up a e-mail server. I have a host name with the MX redirected to my machine. I can send a e-mail and it will send using my server, but it will not check my inbox!! please help |
| 23:59.05 | NightMonkey | dpkg: debian |
| 23:59.05 | dpkg | it has been said that debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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| 23:59.33 | slipperz2 | hi |
| 23:59.36 | slipperz2 | ok im here :D |
| 23:59.40 | slipperz2 | on the box with the sshd running |
