| 00:00.04 | NightMonkey | WarrenChild: What do you mean "not check your inbox"? Have you set up an MTA before? |
| 00:00.13 | laumonier | how can i acces to this chan bot plz? |
| 00:00.13 | WarrenChild | never |
| 00:00.22 | Corey | WarrenChild: And you're running an imap / pop server? :-) |
| 00:00.34 | WarrenChild | well, I sent myself a message and the message sent but it will not pull up in inbox |
| 00:00.36 | slipperz2 | ps e | grep ssh |
| 00:00.39 | slipperz2 | oops |
| 00:00.43 | streuner | laumonier: /msg <bot> <command/factoid> |
| 00:00.44 | WarrenChild | and it seems to not error out when check for messages to the server |
| 00:00.48 | nevyn | WarrenChild: on the local machine? |
| 00:00.53 | WarrenChild | yes I am using postfix |
| 00:00.58 | WarrenChild | and dovecot |
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| 00:01.03 | WarrenChild | yes local machine |
| 00:01.08 | WarrenChild | it is not open to the world yet |
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| 00:01.45 | streuner | good lord |
| 00:02.03 | Corey | WarrenChild: What do the logs say? |
| 00:02.06 | streuner | another open relay will make us happy |
| 00:02.16 | WarrenChild | wheres the logs at? email program or on server? |
| 00:02.17 | Corey | streuner: That's actively hard to do these days. |
| 00:02.39 | slipperz2 | konqueror is making pastebinning these logs difficult lol |
| 00:02.41 | Corey | WarrenChild: "why" : are you sure that installing, configuring and maintaining a mailserver is really what you want to do here? it's not something that's for the faint of heart, and definitely not something for folks that are still just learning the basics of linux or unix. |
| 00:02.44 | WarrenChild | shoot I got to go thanks all I will be back tomarrow |
| 00:02.44 | slipperz2 | refuses to load anything |
| 00:02.51 | slipperz2 | well quickly.. |
| 00:03.13 | NightMonkey | WarrenChild: You should really read up on how to build a mail server and what it is for... There are careers built on that. |
| 00:03.17 | NightMonkey | Oh, whups. |
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| 00:06.12 | slipperz2 | streuner: I'll have the sshd_config paste in a sec |
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| 00:07.59 | slipperz2 | ps ax | grep ssh output gives 418 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/ck-launch-session /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session x-session-manager 4084 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 00:08.03 | NightMonkey | slipperz2: I'll ask once more: "iptables -L -v" from the bad box (via pastebin). |
| 00:08.12 | slipperz2 | sorry, didnt see |
| 00:08.44 | slipperz2 | http://pastie.org/1833343 |
| 00:08.51 | slipperz2 | thats sshd_config |
| 00:09.26 | slipperz2 | http://pastie.org/1833347 |
| 00:09.29 | slipperz2 | thats iptables |
| 00:09.56 | NightMonkey | slipperz2: Was this box just installed? |
| 00:10.02 | slipperz2 | yeah |
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| 00:10.52 | NightMonkey | slipperz2: And there's nothing between the two boxes but a single L2 or L3 switch? |
| 00:11.26 | NightMonkey | slipperz2: OK, try "netstat -lnp" on the bad box, and pastebin that, please. |
| 00:11.44 | slipperz2 | correct ^^ |
| 00:11.56 | streuner | slipperz2: please show us the output of "ifconfig" too |
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| 00:13.04 | streuner | still thinking that he uses wifi and ethernet both... |
| 00:13.19 | NightMonkey | runsarundrunsaroung |
| 00:13.19 | slipperz2 | im pretty sure its disabled :S |
| 00:13.30 | slipperz2 | i did an ifconfig wlan0 down as well |
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| 00:13.51 | slipperz2 | ughh takes like 2 minutes to paste something... |
| 00:14.15 | NightMonkey | Well, that's what free tech support gets ya. :) |
| 00:14.29 | slipperz2 | :p |
| 00:14.43 | slipperz2 | don't know why konquerer takes so long to pastebin |
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| 00:15.02 | slipperz2 | prolly some weird dns issue >.< |
| 00:15.32 | streuner | shouldnt be an issue at all, if you make an entry in /etc/hosts |
| 00:16.02 | NightMonkey | Man, Debian needs wgetpaste - it's quite a timesaver. |
| 00:16.07 | streuner | (for you local machine) |
| 00:16.19 | streuner | s/you/your/ |
| 00:17.31 | slipperz2 | if it helps |
| 00:17.38 | slipperz2 | from the netstat output, sshd is listening on port 22 |
| 00:17.50 | streuner | sure |
| 00:17.52 | babilen | NightMonkey: pastebinit |
| 00:18.18 | streuner | slipperz2: we know that already according to your sshd config... |
| 00:18.19 | slipperz2 | and ifconfig just gives info about eth0 and the loopback interface |
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| 00:18.37 | NightMonkey | slipperz2: Got the pastebin? |
| 00:18.51 | slipperz2 | still trying to |
| 00:19.00 | slipperz2 | konquerer seems to be stuck or something |
| 00:19.00 | slipperz2 | meh |
| 00:19.19 | slipperz2 | ill try that weasel thing |
| 00:19.27 | NightMonkey | slipperz2: And how are you initiating the connection to the bad box? Via DNS or IP address? |
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| 00:19.37 | slipperz2 | ip address |
| 00:19.41 | babilen | slipperz2: Use a different browser or pastebinit -- "cmd | pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" |
| 00:19.41 | streuner | hm, it makes some sense, if your DNS sucks... |
| 00:20.02 | slipperz2 | eth0 on this box is 192.168.2.2 |
| 00:20.04 | babilen | That want help if it is solely a DNS issue though |
| 00:20.06 | slipperz2 | thats what im trying to ssh to |
| 00:20.32 | slipperz2 | http://pastie.org/1833343 |
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| 00:21.24 | slipperz2 | http://pastie.org/1833369 |
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| 00:22.10 | sonnie | hi there. could anyone suggest an application to connect remotely to console X desktop like realvnc on windows? |
| 00:22.16 | slipperz2 | http://pastie.org/1833371 |
| 00:22.23 | daemonkeeper | VNC? |
| 00:22.28 | daemonkeeper | Works on Linux as well. |
| 00:22.44 | Bop | console X desktop ? |
| 00:23.10 | sonnie | as far as i know, vnc on linux just startup another virtual desktop, not console |
| 00:23.11 | daemonkeeper | Uncompressed X displays can be forwarded as well as FreeNX and other hacks. |
| 00:23.31 | babilen | !tel sonnie -about vnc |
| 00:23.35 | babilen | !tell sonnie -about vnc |
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| 00:23.50 | babilen | sonnie: tightvnc and x11vnc are certainly not a bad choice |
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| 00:25.11 | NightMonkey | slipperz2: Have you tried restarting sshd? |
| 00:25.16 | nevyn | sonnie: to get a console you need hardware support like an ILO or IPMI device |
| 00:25.23 | slipperz2 | ill try it again |
| 00:25.46 | nevyn | sonnie: there's a desktop sharing thing in kde and gnome that uses vnc. |
| 00:25.51 | slipperz2 | root@debian:~# /usr/sbin/sshd --restart |
| 00:25.51 | slipperz2 | root@debian:~# |
| 00:26.05 | NightMonkey | slipperz2: Please pastebin "ifconfig -a" from the bad box. |
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| 00:26.48 | streuner | slipperz2: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 00:26.55 | moalee_beddiebye | {standard input}: Assembler messages: |
| 00:26.56 | moalee_beddiebye | {standard input}:2255: Error: .cfi_endproc without corresponding .cfi_startproc |
| 00:26.56 | moalee_beddiebye | {standard input}:2328: Error: previous CFI entry not closed (missing .cfi_endproc) |
| 00:26.56 | moalee_beddiebye | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:27.08 | streuner | argh, assembler |
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| 00:27.30 | slipperz2 | http://pastie.org/1833388 |
| 00:27.32 | streuner | Do we get any weired question here tonight? |
| 00:27.43 | NightMonkey | slipperz2: What is that? You should restart with "/etc/init.d/ssh restart" or "service ssh --full-restart" |
| 00:28.22 | streuner | slipperz2: wifi and eth running still at the same time |
| 00:28.26 | slipperz2 | did it |
| 00:28.28 | slipperz2 | still no go |
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| 00:28.37 | slipperz2 | streuner: how would I disable it then? |
| 00:28.39 | peterrooney | streuner: given that much of the western world is scheduled with easter monday today, consider it a sunday. |
| 00:28.42 | peterrooney | !Sunday |
| 00:28.42 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 00:28.58 | streuner | hehe |
| 00:29.06 | streuner | slipperz2: ifdown wlan0 |
| 00:29.14 | slipperz | did it |
| 00:29.23 | nevyn | sonnie: vino is the gnome one I think |
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| 00:29.27 | slipperz | that was ifconfig -a output |
| 00:29.39 | slipperz | i believe it would show wlan0 output regardless |
| 00:29.49 | slipperz | unless i removed the b43 module or something |
| 00:29.54 | streuner | yeah, but wlan0 is now active |
| 00:30.42 | slipperz | well ifconfig wlan0 down doesn't change anything :s it would seem |
| 00:30.50 | slipperz | should I get rfkill and try to block it? |
| 00:30.58 | NightMonkey | slipperz: Please pastebin "dmesg -s 128000", and the last 50 lines of /var/log/messages and /var/log/auth.log. |
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| 00:32.29 | slipperz2 | that dmesg is huge lol |
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| 00:32.50 | NightMonkey | slipperz: Also, can you "telnet <badbox IP> 25" and get a prompt from your other box? |
| 00:33.38 | NightMonkey | slipperz2: Yah, you should install "pastebinit". |
| 00:34.24 | slipperz2 | doing that lol |
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| 00:36.10 | Dawgmatix | what do I have to install to enable being prompted to install package magic-foo when I try to run foo on the command line (assuming magic-foo provides foo) |
| 00:36.43 | slipperz2 | http://pastebin.com/EDNTX9GG |
| 00:36.46 | slipperz2 | that come out right? |
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| 00:37.23 | vram0 | udevadm shows that when I insert a module, my expected udev rules fire and DEVNAME is created as expected, in a subdir of /dev . However, the same devicename *also* appears in /dev itself. Why is it appearing in /dev itself if it can only have one name assigned? Is that to be expected? |
| 00:37.37 | streuner | sure, Apr 25 13:06:52 debian kernel: [ 801.000321] e100: eth0 NIC Link is Down :-/ |
| 00:38.02 | jhutchins_lt | Dawgmatix: a sysadmin? |
| 00:38.02 | streuner | (which makes the question more interesting...) |
| 00:38.10 | slipperz2 | lol |
| 00:38.16 | slipperz2 | that was when i was putting in the cable |
| 00:38.21 | slipperz2 | the little clip on the end is broken |
| 00:38.30 | slipperz2 | thats why ur seeing the multiple up/downs |
| 00:38.32 | robokop | Dawgmatix: command-not-found |
| 00:38.34 | slipperz2 | http://pastebin.com/Vw5zR4jx |
| 00:38.36 | Dawgmatix | jhutchins cute :) |
| 00:39.02 | Dawgmatix | thanks @ robokop |
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| 00:39.50 | slipperz2 | dmesg -s 128000 |
| 00:40.06 | slipperz2 | oops |
| 00:40.12 | slipperz2 | http://pastebin.com/dwF20Z14 |
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| 00:41.45 | dvs | slipperz2: [ 14.811476] b43legacy-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43legacy/ucode2.fw" not found or load failed. |
| 00:41.46 | dvs | [ 14.811522] b43legacy-phy0 ERROR: You must go to http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware and download the correct firmware (version 3). |
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| 00:41.58 | peterrooney | Dawgmatix: perhaps you're thinking of auto-apt, which also requires sudo set-up |
| 00:42.04 | dvs | seems pretty clear |
| 00:42.11 | slipperz2 | dvs: I'm not really concerned about the wireless |
| 00:42.13 | slipperz2 | on ethernet atm |
| 00:42.18 | dvs | oh |
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| 00:47.17 | ntiy | hi all. I have someones code that I am trying to compile. in a makefile there is a line INCLUDES = -I. Now when I compile I get " Declaration is incompatible with "double __log2(double)"" declared at and then path to file in /usr/include is given. so I presume in the code they are trying to redefine this log2 function and therefore it won't compile. So my question I guess would be: how do I not let make know about system include file and how do I force it to only |
| 00:47.17 | ntiy | -I. as a path to my includes? |
| 00:48.16 | slipperz2 | eerr you guys still ere? |
| 00:48.17 | streuner | Does the package have a name? |
| 00:48.32 | streuner | nah, we are just sleeping ;-) |
| 00:48.45 | ntiy | streuner: did you ask me? |
| 00:48.49 | MrFrood | we are..? |
| 00:48.50 | jhutchins_lt | slipperz2: 1050 people/bots/zombies here. |
| 00:48.50 | streuner | sure |
| 00:49.08 | streuner | and idlers ;-) |
| 00:49.17 | ntiy | METIS |
| 00:49.23 | streuner | dpkg, metis |
| 00:49.23 | dpkg | streuner: wish i knew |
| 00:49.25 | streuner | hm |
| 00:49.36 | streuner | so, something which isnt in Debian |
| 00:49.42 | ntiy | it's a library used by fvcom to enable mpi features |
| 00:49.55 | jhutchins_lt | streuner: dpkg doesn't know _everything_. |
| 00:50.01 | ntiy | it's quite general linux make question i thought |
| 00:50.10 | laumonier | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.13 | slipperz2 | heh everytime I make up my mind to install nix, something goes wrong |
| 00:50.18 | streuner | jhutchins_lt: true, but usually i can trust the bot... |
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| 00:50.37 | int80_h | gotcha/join #netbsd |
| 00:50.45 | MrFrood | !finger |
| 00:50.45 | dpkg | from memory, finger is a insecure service that lets people find valid accounts to crack. SUPPOSED TO DO THAT, remove it immediatly, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finger_protocol |
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| 00:51.54 | aidan | I upgraded to squeeze but dash scares me :( no tab autocomplete, cursors don't work, is there a guide to getting the same behaviour as bash? |
| 00:52.12 | streuner | ntiy: well, isnt there a support channel for it? |
| 00:52.31 | jhutchins_lt | aidan: Why not just use bash? |
| 00:52.54 | MrFrood | aidan: dash is just the default sh - bash should still be the user shell |
| 00:52.56 | ntiy | streuner: nope :( |
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| 00:53.20 | streuner | ntiy: where did you get the source from? |
| 00:53.26 | ntiy | streuner: it's a typical "use at your own risk" OSS software |
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| 00:53.55 | streuner | and, there arent alternatives for it? |
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| 00:54.01 | aidan | oh! |
| 00:54.07 | MrFrood | aidan: you can use the alternatives system to set the defauly user shell |
| 00:54.14 | ntiy | streuner: from one research group at illinois state univ I believe if it matters |
| 00:54.23 | ntiy | streuner: I don't think so |
| 00:54.31 | jhutchins_lt | aidan: chsh |
| 00:54.57 | MrFrood | !tell aidan about galternatives |
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| 00:55.53 | MrFrood | jhutchins_lt: you know ksh is best ;) |
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| 00:56.33 | jhutchins_lt | points MrFrood to tuxtype |
| 00:56.48 | jhutchins_lt | chsh is a utility to CHange SHells. |
| 00:57.05 | MrFrood | wow, another neat app :D |
| 00:57.32 | MrFrood | hangs head in shame as he knows that |
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| 00:58.46 | MrFrood | jhutchins_lt: thats on a per user basis - the alternatives system is better for system wide, yes? |
| 00:59.30 | MrFrood | goes off to play wiv tuxtype |
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| 01:01.50 | Arrowmaster | there is nothing in the alternatives system for the default user shell though |
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| 01:06.27 | MrFrood | I sure theree used to be :-/ |
| 01:06.29 | peterrooney | Arrowmaster: probably, there shouldn't be, either - it's arguable that that is the domain of the adduser utilities. |
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| 01:08.36 | Arrowmaster | right, the very first option in /etc/adduser.conf is '# The DSHELL variable specifies the default login shell on your system' |
| 01:08.48 | abrotman | Arrowmaster: i believe you can set that in the adduser.conf |
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| 01:09.19 | abrotman | Arrowmaster: and you could potentially set that to /bin/sh which you can manage with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 01:09.38 | Arrowmaster | but that only switches between bash and dash |
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| 01:10.10 | MrFrood | though it offered all installed shells? |
| 01:10.33 | MrFrood | which on a standard install is just bash & dash |
| 01:10.50 | Arrowmaster | chsh does, dpkg-reconfigure dash (its dash right?) only switches /bin/sh between bash and dash |
| 01:11.21 | MrFrood | that's a bit limmiting isn't it :-/ |
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| 01:11.42 | Arrowmaster | because /bin/sh shouldnt point to anything else |
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| 01:12.00 | MrFrood | Arrowmaster: why not? |
| 01:12.18 | Arrowmaster | try changing it to /bin/csh and see what happens |
| 01:12.34 | MrFrood | if I want to mess my system up by pointing it to sh6 surly that's my choice? |
| 01:12.51 | peterrooney | recalls someone changing root's shell on a SunOS system |
| 01:13.03 | gauge | Hey all |
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| 01:14.54 | gauge | I'm going to switch from gnome to xmonad. Whats the ebst way to purge Gnome and all its setting and applications from my system? |
| 01:15.28 | jhutchins_lt | !remove gnome |
| 01:15.28 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
| 01:16.03 | gauge | ^thanks |
| 01:16.05 | jhutchins_lt | gauge: That's a little out of date but it's a start. Look at recommends and dependencies and don't accept the first solution without tweaking the command. |
| 01:17.38 | gauge | also, my .bashrc and .profile files are rather length w/ autogenerated stuff, I'd like to clean thouse of all gnome related settign too, but i have a feelign I might have to do that manually. |
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| 01:19.48 | gauge | oh and one more small thing: I'm trying to get debian to see my Creative SB Live! card. I'm 99% sure that it uses the emu10k1 module, but I haven't had success installing it. Could someone walk me though what I sould be doing? |
| 01:19.59 | Arrowmaster | wait, autogenerated stuff got into your .bashrc and .profile?? |
| 01:20.24 | jhutchins_lt | gauge: If you have a SBL and it didn't install correctly you did something wrong. |
| 01:20.40 | gauge | I agree. |
| 01:21.01 | gauge | Arrowmaster: Yes. Lots |
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| 01:22.59 | gauge | my .bashrc @ pastebin.com/y0v63Fji |
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| 01:23.38 | Arrowmaster | oh thats just the default file |
| 01:24.48 | gauge | oh cool |
| 01:25.16 | gauge | but that sound cardd thing is killing me. I've run alsaconf too many tiems to count |
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| 01:25.57 | MrFrood | !tell gauge about alsactl |
| 01:26.16 | gauge | neato. |
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| 01:27.47 | gauge | alsactl: Unknown command 'init'... |
| 01:28.09 | streuner | alsactl isnt in Debian anymore |
| 01:28.44 | Arrowmaster | yes it is, its alsaconf that was removed |
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| 01:32.02 | gauge | yeah i have alsactl, but running "alsactl init" gives an error. |
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| 01:33.32 | abrotman | and that is ? |
| 01:33.47 | abrotman | gauge: which version of debian is this ? |
| 01:34.43 | gauge | lenny? |
| 01:35.01 | MrFrood | streuner: alsactl IS in debian |
| 01:35.18 | abrotman | judd: find bin/alsactl --release squeeze --arch i386 |
| 01:35.21 | MrFrood | !tell streuner about alsactl |
| 01:35.27 | gauge | Linux SC420-debian 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu Jan 27 00:28:05 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:35.46 | abrotman | judd: file bin/alsactl --release squeeze --arch i386 |
| 01:35.47 | abrotman | duh |
| 01:35.53 | judd | bin/alsactl in squeeze/i386: alsa-utils: usr/sbin/alsactl |
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| 01:38.09 | gauge | So where should I go from here. Is upgrading to squeese something that might help my audio woes? |
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| 01:38.37 | Arrowmaster | well i dont think it would hurt |
| 01:39.50 | gauge | before I do that, are there any commands that I should run right now to see if maybe there's somethign very simple and dumb I'm missing here? |
| 01:40.18 | jhutchins_lt | gauge: I would suggest a clean install of squeeze instead. |
| 01:40.38 | gauge | Not an option atm |
| 01:41.31 | gauge | is it as simple as editing out lenny in sources.list and replacign it w/ squeeze? |
| 01:43.04 | peterrooney | !lenny->squeeze |
| 01:43.45 | slipperz | Arrowmaster, I found my problem |
| 01:43.55 | slipperz | streuner, |
| 01:44.00 | peterrooney | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 01:44.00 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>. |
| 01:44.09 | slipperz | turns out, my good machine, putty was trying to use my loopback adapter :p |
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| 01:45.32 | jhutchins_lt | gauge: However, I fear you have cumulative errors already that will only get worse if you try to upgrade. You need to clean it up. |
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| 01:50.39 | gauge | jhutchins_lt: I agree. This might be my last install of Debvian on this system sadly, so it thif fails I might migrate to FreeBSD, or at least give it a shot. I've been useign Debian for a logn time now, but this is a server that does server things, so it might be the wiser move for the long term. Time will tell. |
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| 01:52.24 | jhutchins_lt | gauge: I am very happy with Debian on both server and Desktop, having used most of the popular distributions on various hardware over the years. |
| 01:52.51 | jhutchins_lt | gauge: I'm afraid we won't really miss you if you run something else. |
| 01:53.14 | jhutchins_lt | gauge: Not sure what the difference between a clean install of squeeze and migratiing to BSD would be. |
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| 01:54.18 | jhutchins_lt | never done BSD though. |
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| 01:54.45 | MrFrood | netbsd is fun :) |
| 01:55.52 | gauge | well, I mean that if I'm to spend the time to move my data, backup what needs to be backed up, and install a new OS; if FreeBSD is the better fit for my needs then thats most likely what I'll try. But really it's just a glorified media server, so it's not 'mission-critical' and most any OS would suffice. |
| 01:56.27 | fa21 | debian is fun... was mad on my natty ubuntu.. crappy.. and now i am in heaven again with squeez :D |
| 01:57.22 | MrFrood | fa21: we know debian is fun, that's why we are here ;) |
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| 01:59.09 | rypervenche | I'm running Squeeze and when I open my terminal from my menu it starts in my home directory, however when I create a keyboard shortcut to gnome-terminal it starts me out in /, why is this? |
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| 02:01.12 | Arrowmaster | its something gnome-terminal does, probably related to current working directory when its started |
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| 02:01.45 | joe6 | the volume is too low and I have maxed it from the gui. Is there any other mechanism to increase the sound? |
| 02:01.50 | Arrowmaster | you can also see it happen if you open gnome-terminal, change to a different directory and then shift-ctrl-t to open a new tab |
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| 02:03.20 | MrFrood | does not like vte based x-terminals |
| 02:04.35 | MrFrood | joe6: check bothe the master and pcm levels |
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| 02:06.18 | MrHatter | when i run gdm the network disconnects, the screen goes black and no gdm screen appears. Complete lockup. Any clues why this could happen ? X was working fine yesterday... |
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| 02:06.58 | joe6 | MMrFrood, how do I do that? any app that can do that? |
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| 02:07.33 | MrFrood | joe6: alsamixer it is in the alsa-utils package I think |
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| 02:10.01 | rypervenche | Arrowmaster: When I do that it starts in my home directory. |
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| 02:11.45 | Arrowmaster | rypervenche: when i open a new tab it starts in whatever directory the tab i opened it from was in |
| 02:11.57 | pielgrzym | hi, I'm trying to run a tiny python server on port 80 in lenny as a non-root user. how can I allow this non-root user to bind to port 80? |
| 02:12.14 | rypervenche | Arrowmaster: Same here. However, I want to have gnome-terminal open when I press alt+ctrl+t |
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| 02:13.19 | Arrowmaster | rypervenche: try having it execute gnome-terminal --working-directory=$HOME |
| 02:13.56 | rypervenche | Arrowmaster: Great, thanks :) |
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| 02:14.49 | rypervenche | What is the best way to add a second user to my account and give them sudo rights? I want it to be pretty much the same as the first. |
| 02:16.14 | joe6 | MrFrood, do I have to do anything after maxing out all the controls? or, are the changes automatic? |
| 02:16.16 | rypervenche | I've seen that I can add them to visudo or I can add them to a group that has sudo powers I think. Which would be best? |
| 02:16.37 | MrFrood | joe6: the changes are dynamic |
| 02:17.05 | abrotman | rypervenche: either is just as good as the other |
| 02:17.14 | MrFrood | joe6: does your soundcard use an intel chipset? |
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| 02:18.22 | joe6 | MrFrood, this is what I have: http://pastebin.com/17WQ353D and I am trying to set the sound for the headphones. |
| 02:18.38 | rypervenche | abrotman: Which group would I have to add it to? And at the risk of sounding stupid, how can I add the user to the group? |
| 02:18.53 | abrotman | adduser username group |
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| 02:19.44 | rypervenche | abrotman: I should do that if the user is already created? (And which group has sudo powers?) |
| 02:20.08 | abrotman | did you look in /etc/groups and make a guess ? |
| 02:20.39 | ZykoticK9 | rypervenche, to spoil the joke ^, there is a sudo group |
| 02:20.43 | joe6 | MrFrood, does that make sense. It seems to be the intel chipset ICH5 |
| 02:20.44 | rypervenche | I didn't know where it was, but I'll check there, thanks. Can I do "adduser username group" to just add an already existing user to a group? |
| 02:20.56 | rypervenche | >< |
| 02:21.04 | joe6 | MrFrood, and I am using the headphone jack on the front. |
| 02:23.07 | MrFrood | joe6: iirc someone recently mentioned that there was a bug with some of the intel chipset/drivers that caused the max volume to be very low but I can't remember the details |
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| 02:26.01 | rypervenche | Oooo, so I have to add the group after the user exists by using the same "adduser" command? |
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| 02:31.03 | rypervenche | Ok, I read the man on adduser. Quick question, is a "system user" like root or like the main user of the computer? |
| 02:31.10 | optraz | yes |
| 02:31.31 | optraz | he is the god in the system |
| 02:31.55 | rypervenche | So it's like root? I don't need that then I suppose. Just sudo powers :P |
| 02:32.24 | rypervenche | Is it possible to make a user now show up at the login screen? Isn't it by making the uid lower than 1000? |
| 02:32.29 | abrotman | huh? |
| 02:32.48 | abrotman | a system user is any user of the system .. but context might help |
| 02:33.11 | rypervenche | abrotman: it said that in the "adduser" man page. |
| 02:33.19 | Arrowmaster | rypervenche: login screen should have settings that lets you select users to not show in it |
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| 02:33.29 | abrotman | rypervenche: that's not 'context' .. but okay |
| 02:35.57 | pielgrzym | if I want to upgrade from lenny to squeeze - I just need to change sources.list and do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, rigth? |
| 02:36.09 | dvs | no |
| 02:36.30 | dvs | read the release notes |
| 02:37.05 | MrFrood | and updat aptitude/apt before upgrading the rest |
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| 02:37.32 | pielgrzym | ah, thanks |
| 02:37.39 | ZykoticK9 | pielgrzym, see "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze" as topic suggests |
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| 02:37.47 | abrotman | MrFrood: more than that |
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| 02:38.28 | MrFrood | abrotman: more than reading the release notes and wot I said ? |
| 02:38.43 | gNewPower | hi everybody. I tried Maemo, and its ok but its now also dead. I hate Android. I won't touch any iCrap product. So here is my question: are there any tablets based on Debian out there? |
| 02:38.49 | abrotman | i don't think the release notes tell you to upgrade apt stuff before |
| 02:38.59 | abrotman | gNewPower: buy one and put Debian on it ? |
| 02:39.00 | jhutchins_lt | gNewPower: No. |
| 02:39.16 | gNewPower | abrotman, has this already been done? |
| 02:39.37 | abrotman | gNewPower: i'm sure if you poke around someone has done it .. obviously it's been done on netbooks |
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| 02:40.45 | gNewPower | abrotman, my fear is that the tablets out here will have super closed hardware which Debian does not support |
| 02:41.20 | ZykoticK9 | gNewPower, I image that is a real issue... good luck. |
| 02:41.24 | MrFrood | gNewPower: so build your own |
| 02:41.38 | gNewPower | I have a PocketBook IQ 701 ebook reader based on Android. I would love to shoot the Android OS and put Debian on it, but I am afraid of bricking it in the process. |
| 02:41.41 | abrotman | http://tuxmobil.org/toshiba_portege_m200_tablet_linux.html .. for instance .. google is better than the schmucks here :) |
| 02:41.56 | gNewPower | MrFrood, built my own internet tablet? |
| 02:42.40 | MrFrood | it's amazing what a soldering iron can do ;) |
| 02:43.11 | ZykoticK9 | gNewPower, a link off of what abrotman just posted might be interesting for ya http://tuxmobil.org/tablet_unix.html |
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| 02:45.39 | gNewPower | thanks for the links ya'll. cheers! |
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| 03:17.41 | optraz | how to show the ^M in vim ? |
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| 03:21.47 | Kandu | optraz: type "^M" haha. insert mode C-v C-m |
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| 03:22.25 | nevyn | sigh. someone told me how to do this. |
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| 03:23.12 | nevyn | :set list |
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| 03:24.03 | cdahmedeh | i have a great idea for fortune package, or maybe an rss feed, something teaches you a new linux/debian/whatever command everyday |
| 03:24.24 | cdahmedeh | does it already exist ? |
| 03:24.27 | cdahmedeh | in some form |
| 03:25.14 | Datz | I have a problem, when I wget a file, I get "name service not know" but when I ping the address, it responds |
| 03:25.36 | nevyn | Datz: have you been messing with /etc/nsswitch.conf? |
| 03:25.38 | Datz | I can also download the file from elsewhere |
| 03:25.44 | Datz | Nye no |
| 03:26.02 | Datz | but I did use !ipv6 |
| 03:26.06 | Datz | I think it's that |
| 03:26.08 | nevyn | can you resolve the system name using the host command? |
| 03:26.11 | Datz | !ipv6 |
| 03:26.11 | dpkg | Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the next-generation IP version designed to replace IPv4. Available in Debian since <potato>, full IPv6 support was a release goal for Squeeze. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 http://ipv6.debian.net/ http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ http://www.ipv6.org/ #debian-ipv6 on irc.oftc.net, #ipv6 on irc.freenode.net. To disable IPv6 on your system, ask me about <noipv6>. |
| 03:26.38 | Datz | nevyn: I'm not familiar with that command |
| 03:26.51 | Datz | there was a fix I used involving ipv6 |
| 03:26.54 | nevyn | host nameofhost? |
| 03:26.57 | Datz | I don't remember what it was anymore |
| 03:27.06 | nevyn | you're trying to do ipv6 and you don't know host? |
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| 03:27.30 | Datz | resolving was broken, disabling ipv6 fixed it |
| 03:27.41 | Datz | host name resolving |
| 03:27.50 | nevyn | yes.. that's what host tests. |
| 03:28.52 | Datz | ok, I get an IP with host nameofhost |
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| 03:30.37 | Datz | nevyn: any ideas |
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| 03:32.13 | Datz | nevyn: maybe a problem with the way wget is configured> |
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| 03:35.42 | Datz | I'm not really sure what do make of this: http://pastebin.com/E9DeGZSE |
| 03:35.51 | Datz | seems like odd behavior |
| 03:35.57 | Datz | nevyn: if you could take a look |
| 03:36.05 | Datz | it would be great |
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| 03:38.11 | nevyn | hrm.. that's odd. |
| 03:38.12 | Datz | seems like I can't get away from networking troubles with Debian |
| 03:38.22 | nevyn | unless you have a http proxy configured in wget |
| 03:38.26 | nevyn | echo $http_proxy |
| 03:38.48 | Datz | blank |
| 03:39.15 | nevyn | lynx --dump "file" |
| 03:39.47 | Datz | installs lynx |
| 03:40.48 | Datz | lynx: Can't access startfile http://www.file.com |
| 03:41.00 | Datz | !noipv6 |
| 03:41.00 | dpkg | To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 03:41.10 | Datz | I applied that fix |
| 03:41.22 | nevyn | which one? |
| 03:41.23 | Datz | the second one |
| 03:41.27 | nevyn | ok. |
| 03:41.29 | nevyn | that works. |
| 03:41.33 | Datz | ok |
| 03:41.49 | optraz | nevyn: not exactly.. you need to set the file format in the vim only then it will reveal.. |
| 03:41.51 | rypervenche | I have an nVidia graphics card, how can I find and install a proper driver? |
| 03:42.58 | cdahmedeh | rypervenche: to install the binary driver, you need to enable the contrib and non-free repositories, and then installing nvidia-glx package |
| 03:43.25 | rypervenche | cdahmedeh: Thank you very much :) |
| 03:43.50 | Arrowmaster | !nvidia dkms |
| 03:43.50 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>. |
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| 03:50.02 | nevyn | sigh configuring kernels is such a pain in the ass. srsly. did the ide of make syste_config ever get anywhere? |
| 03:50.29 | nevyn | so a thing that built a minimal kernel config from the running system config. |
| 03:50.54 | Arrowmaster | most people dont bother with compiling kernels anymore |
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| 03:51.20 | cdahmedeh | Arrowmaster: unless you're talking about gentoo |
| 03:51.41 | cdahmedeh | gentoo has some gen-kernel or something that tries to make a configuration based on your hardware |
| 03:51.50 | cdahmedeh | doesn't work to well, and takes years to start |
| 03:52.09 | cdahmedeh | that's why it's better to do it manually |
| 03:52.48 | cdahmedeh | but yes, debian has some nice kernels precompiled for us! |
| 03:52.52 | Datz | nevyn: well I'll see what I can do. I'll let you know if I find out any fix. thanks |
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| 03:53.15 | roxirc- | hello |
| 03:53.15 | roxirc- | :) |
| 03:53.58 | roxirc- | can anyone here can help me,.. :( |
| 03:54.06 | cdahmedeh | what's the problem ? |
| 03:54.16 | nevyn | cdahmedeh: yeah.. not when you're using hardware that's "kinda" supporte by alsa. |
| 03:54.20 | nevyn | !ask |
| 03:54.20 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 03:54.53 | nevyn | Datz: do you have ipv6 on your network? |
| 03:54.55 | roxirc- | cdahmedeh: i'm using debian/kfreebsd.. how to add new sources.list.. |
| 03:55.26 | cdahmedeh | roxirc-: you can either use synaptic or modify /etc/apt/sources.list in the terminal |
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| 03:55.46 | Datz | nevyn: no |
| 03:55.52 | nevyn | hrm. |
| 03:55.58 | Datz | indeed :P |
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| 03:57.11 | roxirc- | i'm using debian/kfreebsd, how to add new sources.list entry ?? still same with regular debian ? |
| 03:57.18 | cdahmedeh | yes |
| 03:57.24 | cdahmedeh | i'm pretty sure it is |
| 03:58.18 | karlpinc | roxirc-: Same. |
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| 03:58.52 | roxirc_ | cdahmedeh: how to add kfreebsd-i386 stanza's ?? |
| 04:01.24 | cdahmedeh | roxirc_: i honestly don't know, i'm not very familiar with the debian/kfreebsd |
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| 04:04.35 | joe6 | i have this: lspci |grep -i audio |
| 04:04.37 | joe6 | 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 04:04.49 | joe6 | what do i add to alsa-base.conf |
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| 04:05.19 | flamingspinach | anyone know if the standard browsers usually complain when a webserver provides an SSL certificate which is self-signed but otherwise in working order? |
| 04:05.48 | flamingspinach | I can recall seeing plenty of warnings from firefox about bad SSL certificates, but I can't seem to recall any instance in which the only problem with it was that it was self-signed |
| 04:05.51 | joe6 | /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf, I mean. |
| 04:05.56 | flamingspinach | (i.e. it was expired, or it authorized the wrong domain, etc.) |
| 04:06.13 | un214 | self signed = complain |
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| 04:06.15 | rypervenche | How can I tell what current video driver I have? |
| 04:06.23 | cdahmedeh | rypervenche: use glxinfo |
| 04:06.48 | roxirc_ | cdahmedeh: how to add kfreebsd-i386 stanza's ?? |
| 04:07.16 | cdahmedeh | rpgdude: make sure you install mesa-utils package first if it's not already done |
| 04:07.23 | flamingspinach | un214: hmm. thanks... |
| 04:07.42 | un214 | it often tends to not warn on your own self signed because it can find master |
| 04:07.44 | cdahmedeh | rypervenche: make sure you install mesa-utils packages first if not already done |
| 04:07.50 | cdahmedeh | rpgdude: sorry wrong person |
| 04:08.17 | cdahmedeh | roxirc_: i'm not really sure to be honest with you, ask the channel, maybe someone else can help |
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| 04:09.42 | Rusty1 | http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ << roxirc_ |
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| 04:13.08 | buhman | I'm getting weird messages when I insert a sd card: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/378237/ |
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| 04:14.19 | WormFood | buhman, what file system is on the SD card? |
| 04:14.38 | buhman | WormFood: just told gparted to make it fat32 |
| 04:14.53 | WormFood | that didn't answer my question |
| 04:15.04 | buhman | WormFood: fat32 |
| 04:15.13 | WormFood | are you SURE it is fat32? |
| 04:15.17 | buhman | WormFood: how do I tell? |
| 04:15.37 | WormFood | I suspect you didn't format the drive |
| 04:15.43 | joe6 | what is the replacement for alsaconf? |
| 04:16.24 | WormFood | mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1 <-- assuming there is nothing on the drive you want to keep, try that (double check and make sure it IS 'sdb1', and didn't change IDs while you were trying to make it work) |
| 04:16.36 | buhman | WormFood: I've tried that too |
| 04:17.35 | buhman | WormFood: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/378240/ |
| 04:17.43 | WormFood | badblocks -svwt random /dev/sdb <-- did you test it, to make sure it is good, and really that size (lots of 'fake' memory cards that identify themselves as bigger than they really are...that badblocks test will also test the size) |
| 04:18.27 | buhman | WormFood: It used to work. |
| 04:18.33 | WormFood | buhman, I can tell you're a noob...that is ok...now that you've made the file system, Linux will not auto-mount it, unless you reinsert it |
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| 04:18.52 | WormFood | I suggest you try to manually mount it, with something like "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb1" |
| 04:18.53 | buhman | WormFood: I did that between the mkfs.vfat and the dmesg... |
| 04:19.05 | WormFood | change the mount point if you need/want to |
| 04:19.13 | WormFood | and when you try to mount it, what does it say? |
| 04:19.20 | buhman | WormFood: now mounting curiously seems to work |
| 04:19.27 | WormFood | not curious at all |
| 04:19.34 | WormFood | working exactly the way it is supposed to work |
| 04:19.39 | buhman | WormFood: so why does auto-mounting not work? |
| 04:19.44 | WormFood | it does work |
| 04:19.59 | WormFood | umount the drive, and eject the card, and reinsert it, and it should auto-mount ok |
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| 04:20.41 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Is there any way to force gcalc to recognize 'Enter' as 'result' or '=' button? In lenny it used to work like that, and now in squeeze I need to press '=' with mouse each time to get result |
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| 04:21.21 | WormFood | auto-mount is triggered when it detects a new drive. If you insert the drive, and it does not auto-mount, because of the filesystem...and you create a file system, it will not auto-mount |
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| 04:21.43 | WormFood | if it works the way you expect, we'd have having drives auto-mounted when we don't want them to be....it is working the way it is supposed to work. |
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| 04:22.47 | buhman | WormFood: auto mount still not working |
| 04:23.06 | WormFood | buhman, did you do a badblocks test on the media? |
| 04:23.27 | buhman | Well, I stopped it half-way through |
| 04:23.39 | WormFood | half way through what? writing or verifying? |
| 04:23.53 | buhman | It was in the middle of "reading and comparing" |
| 04:24.00 | WormFood | why did you stop it? |
| 04:24.14 | WormFood | now you can't tell if it is really 2 gig or just 1 gig :P |
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| 04:24.37 | roxirc_ | cdahmedah: ok, thanks |
| 04:24.39 | WormFood | it probably really is the size it says...but I've seen 'em before that were 'fake' |
| 04:24.49 | rypervenche | I followed what dpkg said about nvidia dkms, and now everything is very large. My icons and font are very large. How can I fix this? |
| 04:25.33 | WormFood | buhman, you can try erasing the drive with something like "cp /dev/zero /dev/sdb" |
| 04:25.43 | buhman | WormFood: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/378245/ |
| 04:25.46 | buhman | WormFood: roger |
| 04:27.03 | WormFood | when I get a new drive, I always do the badblocks test in random mode, then with '00'....that way I can verify it is the size it claims, and test it too ;) |
| 04:27.50 | WormFood | and the final 00 pass, just erases the drive to all zeroes |
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| 04:28.50 | WormFood | buhman, check your /etc/fstab file, and see if you're maybe forcing sdb1 to be a UDF format. |
| 04:29.26 | WormFood | I suspect you may find that to be your problem. Especially if you had a CD/DVD drive, but removed it. |
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| 04:29.44 | buhman | WormFood: nope http://paste.pocoo.org/show/378247/ |
| 04:29.48 | hanasaki | what is /dev/md/d0 vs /dev/md0 ?? |
| 04:29.50 | buhman | oh, wait... yes |
| 04:30.13 | WormFood | yes, that is your problem :P |
| 04:30.25 | buhman | WormFood: I wonder how that got in there :) |
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| 04:30.34 | hanasaki | mdadm has switched the name for some reason |
| 04:30.35 | hanasaki | ... |
| 04:30.42 | WormFood | not sure, but you may be able to replace "udf,iso9660" with just "Auto" |
| 04:30.53 | buhman | what if I just deleted the entry? |
| 04:31.02 | WormFood | should be ok |
| 04:31.08 | WormFood | just comment it out |
| 04:31.23 | WormFood | I'm 99.99% sure that is your problem ;) |
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| 04:31.40 | Suicidolt | ok, basic customization question, how do I turn off the nanny |
| 04:33.00 | un214 | nanny? |
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| 04:33.28 | buhman | WormFood: it appears to be working again :) |
| 04:33.30 | nevyn | Suicidolt: ? |
| 04:33.33 | WormFood | I think if you tell her she is fat and ugly, it will turn her off |
| 04:33.42 | WormFood | buhman, yeah. Good job ;) |
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| 04:36.22 | un214 | Suicidolt: what nanny? |
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| 04:36.51 | rypervenche | I followed what dpkg said about nvidia dkms, and now everything is very large. My icons and font are very large. How can I fix this? |
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| 04:38.04 | Suicidolt | nevyn: un214: I'm asked for my password each time I try to install software from the software center, and it won't let me move files to certain places using the gui |
| 04:38.12 | un214 | ah |
| 04:38.33 | un214 | you could configure sudo for nopassword |
| 04:38.36 | un214 | see man sudoers |
| 04:38.46 | un214 | anyway I just keep a root shell open on console |
| 04:38.48 | Suicidolt | I have a terminal up with sudo su |
| 04:39.08 | Suicidolt | but I am still getting the prompts/restrictions every time I do stuff with the gui |
| 04:39.34 | un214 | I'd recommend learn the command line |
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| 04:39.53 | un214 | I ran apt-get remove sudo awhile ago |
| 04:40.23 | Suicidolt | un214 I can learn command line in windows, I got linux to have more freedom, not less |
| 04:40.48 | un214 | well you could run passwd root then log into X as root |
| 04:40.59 | un214 | strong warnings usually come with doing that |
| 04:41.05 | nevyn | a bunch of stuff won't work tho. |
| 04:41.09 | nevyn | like this irc channel. |
| 04:41.11 | Suicidolt | why am I not able to simply be root in the first place? |
| 04:41.26 | karlpinc | Suicidolt: Because running X as root is inheriently insecure. |
| 04:41.35 | un214 | no it's not |
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| 04:41.40 | Suicidolt | karlpinc: yes, because of all those nasty linux virus |
| 04:41.42 | Suicidolt | es |
| 04:41.53 | nevyn | yeah that's one reason |
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| 04:42.06 | Suicidolt | sighs. |
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| 04:42.14 | nevyn | linux is just a less atractive target for the most part tho |
| 04:42.17 | karlpinc | un214: Don't believe me. Go rtfm. |
| 04:42.24 | Suicidolt | you know what a neat linux virus would do, pop up and ask for your password that you have to type in 500 times per day |
| 04:42.30 | nevyn | karlpinc: X runs as root. |
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| 04:42.38 | un214 | single user box |
| 04:42.39 | Suicidolt | you wouldn't even notice |
| 04:43.07 | Suicidolt | it's a netbook, no one else but me is going to touch it, even if my friends used linux |
| 04:43.36 | nevyn | Suicidolt: so this is where consolekit is sortof heading |
| 04:43.57 | nevyn | which is grant the person at the physical console a enormous set of rights to system resources |
| 04:44.27 | nevyn | but the seperation between system administration (installing software) and using software is reasonably ingrained in the linux culture and model. |
| 04:44.59 | Suicidolt | nevyn: that's wonderful, this isn't my server, my server is on windows |
| 04:45.18 | un214 | supposibly if sudo is configured for nopassword you don't get the prompts |
| 04:45.18 | Suicidolt | I came to debian after I was told it's better than ubuntu in that I can turn off the nanny |
| 04:45.21 | Suicidolt | can I do taht or not? |
| 04:45.26 | un214 | but I don't remember how to set nopassword on sudo anymore |
| 04:45.39 | nevyn | Suicidolt: edit sudoers. |
| 04:45.43 | Suicidolt | 'cause I configured nopasswd in ubuntu and still got prompted all the time |
| 04:45.56 | Suicidolt | and given that they're both gnome |
| 04:45.58 | Suicidolt | ... |
| 04:46.00 | un214 | you could do this: |
| 04:46.07 | un214 | have normal root logged into X session 0 |
| 04:46.15 | un214 | have user logged into X session 1 |
| 04:46.18 | nevyn | ewww. |
| 04:46.34 | karlpinc | nevyn: Pickey pickey. Running a GUI desktop as root is inheriently insecure. Running some touchscreen kiosk app in single user mode is not what we're talking about. |
| 04:46.37 | un214 | that's what I do |
| 04:46.45 | un214 | only root is console only not X |
| 04:47.00 | nevyn | karlpinc: my pvr runs X as root |
| 04:47.08 | un214 | and this channel blocking nonroot is obnoxious |
| 04:47.17 | un214 | s/blocking nonroot/blocking root/ |
| 04:47.18 | Suicidolt | karlpinc: would I be a linux user if I weren't picky? |
| 04:47.36 | nevyn | un214: what if root isn't unconfined ;) |
| 04:48.02 | un214 | nevyn: I don't follow |
| 04:48.11 | nevyn | un214: selinux ;) |
| 04:48.23 | Suicidolt | I have a novel idea, how about I log into my computer, with a very secure password, and once I've done that, I have control over it....you know, like I own it |
| 04:48.31 | nevyn | root can be uid0 but not have any capabilities |
| 04:48.33 | karlpinc | Suicidolt: Then do a startx on another vt in /etc/inittab and be done with it. |
| 04:48.50 | Suicidolt | startx? vt? |
| 04:49.00 | un214 | vt = virtual terminal |
| 04:49.10 | un214 | startx spawns X from a console session |
| 04:49.13 | Suicidolt | what's inittab? |
| 04:49.19 | un214 | the master boot control file |
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| 04:49.41 | Suicidolt | so run my whole machine virtually? |
| 04:49.43 | karlpinc | Suicidolt: inittab controls init, process 1 that spawns all other processes. |
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| 04:50.55 | nevyn | Suicidolt: a virtual terminal is a software construct for a terminal. |
| 04:51.02 | Suicidolt | interesting, are you suggesting I run everything in a VM? or is this something else that I don't understand? (I am still new to linux, but that doesn't mean I'm afraid of having to reinstall) |
| 04:51.06 | nevyn | you know a thing with a screen and keyboard. |
| 04:51.42 | Suicidolt | screen and a keyboard...like an electric piano? |
| 04:51.43 | un214 | the kernel emulates 12 serial lines |
| 04:52.00 | Suicidolt | 12 serial lines.... |
| 04:52.21 | nevyn | Suicidolt: linux is based on lots of wierd archaic stuff from micro's and mini's of the 80's |
| 04:52.26 | un214 | do you recall keyboard and green screen but no visible computer at libraries from 80s |
| 04:52.29 | un214 | or 90s |
| 04:52.34 | un214 | I do |
| 04:52.45 | Suicidolt | un214: I used to use msdos, yes |
| 04:52.49 | nevyn | nope. |
| 04:52.55 | nevyn | dos is still local computing |
| 04:52.59 | karlpinc | Suicidolt: You can forget about inittab. Just login as root in a vt (ctrl-alt-fN for N=1-6) and type startx. There ya go. It's a dumb idea but if it rocks your boat go for it. |
| 04:53.01 | Suicidolt | un214: now I usually use the fancy version they call widows 7 |
| 04:53.02 | nevyn | thing of something like a dec vt220 |
| 04:53.21 | nevyn | Suicidolt: have you ever seen a citrix thin client? |
| 04:53.39 | nevyn | Suicidolt: you heard of a thin client? |
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| 04:54.01 | un214 | I've seen it |
| 04:54.07 | Suicidolt | karlpinc: I will google this. Thanks. Will it make my programs stop working (I'm aware they will compromise the os, but that's not the question) |
| 04:54.10 | Suicidolt | I |
| 04:54.15 | karlpinc | Suicidolt: You probably want to read the debian reference. And, since you're new. See the factoid below. |
| 04:54.17 | Suicidolt | I have not heard of a thin client |
| 04:54.20 | karlpinc | !overview |
| 04:54.20 | dpkg | Debian stable does not always include all the software people need or want so there is much official, semi-official, and non-official software available for stable. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware . Ask me about <security>, <installer firmware>, <backports>, <squeeze-updates>, <multimedia>, <non-free>, <contrib>, <emdebian>, <debian live>. See also <grounding>, <social contract>. |
| 04:54.32 | karlpinc | Suicidolt: Don't bother googling. Just try it. |
| 04:54.41 | un214 | I've seen admins publish apps over citrix and then wonder why I can run any app on server |
| 04:54.47 | karlpinc | Suicidolt: Ctrl-alt-f7 is the normal X gui session. |
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| 04:54.59 | karlpinc | Suicidolt: For when you want to get back. |
| 04:55.10 | karlpinc | (i think it's f7) |
| 04:55.45 | un214 | I used to run as root for years |
| 04:55.49 | un214 | I don't do that anymore |
| 04:56.07 | karlpinc | Suicidolt: The people who do serious thin client stuff are at ltsp.org. |
| 04:56.08 | un214 | I kind of like my files being saved inside /home by default |
| 04:56.26 | un214 | but # prompt is always open on Ctrl+Alt+F1 |
| 04:56.28 | nevyn | karlpinc: the point was to try and understand what a terminal was. |
| 04:56.41 | nevyn | and that it's not what's normally considered a computer |
| 04:56.44 | karlpinc | nevyn: He'll find out as soon has he does ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 04:56.49 | nevyn | karlpinc: not really |
| 04:57.03 | Suicidolt | karlpinc: what's the difference between 1-6? |
| 04:57.11 | karlpinc | Suicidolt: Nothing. |
| 04:57.12 | un214 | nothing really |
| 04:57.45 | nevyn | you can make more text vt's using openvt or changing inittab |
| 04:58.09 | karlpinc | Or using something like screen. |
| 04:58.24 | karlpinc | (for all intents and purposes) |
| 04:58.28 | Suicidolt | startx didn't work |
| 04:58.47 | nevyn | startx -- :1 |
| 04:58.52 | un214 | yes |
| 04:58.57 | karlpinc | oops |
| 04:59.04 | Suicidolt | what does that extra bit mean? |
| 04:59.12 | un214 | spawn X instance 1 |
| 04:59.15 | nevyn | Suicidolt: create a new display called :1 |
| 04:59.18 | un214 | since 0 is already open it won't start |
| 04:59.36 | Suicidolt | is that technically running 2 sessions? |
| 04:59.37 | karlpinc | Suicidolt: It's for supporting multiple monitors/people on one box. |
| 04:59.43 | nevyn | nope. |
| 04:59.55 | karlpinc | nevyn: ? What's a "session"? |
| 04:59.59 | Suicidolt | so it's like an overlay? |
| 05:00.08 | un214 | it's for using Ctrl+Alt+F7 and ctrl+alt+F8 to switch |
| 05:00.11 | Suicidolt | karlpinc: you're logged into one session right now |
| 05:00.12 | un214 | like windows fast user switching |
| 05:00.13 | karlpinc | Suicidolt: It's another process. |
| 05:00.26 | Suicidolt | right, but process means a lot of things |
| 05:00.33 | nevyn | no it doesn't |
| 05:00.41 | Suicidolt | if the "process" starts every other process in the os, then it's another session |
| 05:00.43 | nevyn | a process is a running program managed by the kernel. |
| 05:00.56 | nevyn | Suicidolt: it does not start EVERY process in the os |
| 05:01.00 | karlpinc | Suicidolt: Session usually means a collection of apps and a gui configuration. Or so it seems. |
| 05:01.10 | Suicidolt | I've never heard it described that way, that was a really cool description nevyn |
| 05:01.25 | nevyn | there's only ever 1 init process (unless you're using wierd virtualisation systems where you have the init of the guests) |
| 05:01.39 | Suicidolt | so what process am I starting? |
| 05:01.48 | un214 | another one called X |
| 05:01.54 | Suicidolt | what does it do? |
| 05:02.02 | un214 | render windows |
| 05:02.09 | karlpinc | Suicidolt: It starts a window manager, and perhaps a desktop. |
| 05:02.13 | nevyn | Suicidolt: the X11 server "X" it's like GDI in windows it renders graphics. |
| 05:02.28 | nevyn | Suicidolt: an X11 session manager this stores window state of client applications |
| 05:02.29 | Suicidolt | so by running the window renderer as root, I am sidestepping the need to pass my password to the gui? |
| 05:02.30 | karlpinc | Suicidolt: Except that X runs over a network. |
| 05:02.38 | un214 | yes |
| 05:02.38 | karlpinc | Suicidolt: right. |
| 05:02.44 | karlpinc | Suicidolt: You already logged in. |
| 05:02.45 | nevyn | karlpinc: X11 can run over a network. |
| 05:02.51 | un214 | if any app still asks for password file a bug report |
| 05:02.55 | un214 | it should know its already root |
| 05:02.59 | karlpinc | nevyn: That's what I said. |
| 05:03.00 | nevyn | karlpinc: on debian by default it's started with -notcp |
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| 05:03.32 | un214 | now running X as root without -notcp is a bit silly |
| 05:03.32 | karlpinc | nevyn: X always runs over a network. It just usually goes through localhost. |
| 05:03.37 | Suicidolt | karlpinc: that did seem to start another desktop |
| 05:03.48 | Suicidolt | which means I'm running two sessions |
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| 05:03.55 | un214 | and doing xhost + as root is asking for trouble |
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| 05:04.06 | nevyn | karlpinc: nope. it uses a socket on localhost. |
| 05:04.22 | un214 | it uses a unix domain socket |
| 05:04.24 | karlpinc | nevyn: Well, ok. |
| 05:04.43 | un214 | 'night all |
| 05:04.50 | Suicidolt | what's worse, when I switch back to it from this view now, it's a terminal with no prompt |
| 05:04.54 | karlpinc | nevyn: The api is almost the same. |
| 05:05.00 | nevyn | nevyn@cetacea:~$ file /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 |
| 05:05.01 | nevyn | /tmp/.X11-unix/X0: socket |
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| 05:05.47 | karlpinc | Suicidolt: No kidding. I'm suprised. I switch regularly and it does not do that to me. |
| 05:06.14 | karlpinc | Suicidolt: I don't use startx to start it, but that shouldn't matter. |
| 05:06.16 | Suicidolt | and, naturally, I'm still unable to take certain actions on _this_ session, and doesn't running 2 sessions bog down my cpu |
| 05:06.28 | karlpinc | Suicidolt: No. |
| 05:06.33 | nevyn | karlpinc: startx will create a session managed by whatever the current alternative for x-session-manager is |
| 05:06.35 | Suicidolt | ram? |
| 05:06.49 | karlpinc | Suicidolt: It uses ram. But that will swap out if need be. |
| 05:07.04 | karlpinc | nevyn: So why doesn't the screen re-render? |
| 05:07.28 | Suicidolt | it just seems like a bad idea is all, not to mention that every time I turn on my computer and log in, I'm going to have to run those commands, this is what you meant by modifying a file? |
| 05:07.39 | karlpinc | Suicidolt: yes. |
| 05:07.39 | nevyn | karlpinc: no like the default may be a crappy session manager. |
| 05:07.45 | Suicidolt | which file? |
| 05:07.49 | karlpinc | nevyn: I see. |
| 05:08.00 | karlpinc | Suicidolt: /etc/inittab. "man inittab" to rtfm. |
| 05:08.09 | nevyn | karlpinc: like twm or some such baroque thing |
| 05:08.10 | Suicidolt | thanks |
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| 05:11.18 | Suicidolt | brb |
| 05:11.34 | karlpinc | Suicidolt: You could probably "man gdm3" and figure out how to get it to run on 2 vts |
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| 05:14.11 | suicidolt | sorry, had to restart chatzilla as I had started it via the terminal for testing and for some reason linux doesn't understand that the parent doesn't need to watch over their child every millisecond |
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| 05:16.20 | karlpinc | suicidolt: That's what the "screen" program is for. |
| 05:17.13 | karlpinc | suicidolt: Linux is designed for mutiple users, so unless you do something else when the parent goes away the children die. This prevents a dying user from sucking up other folks resources. |
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| 05:25.28 | karlpinc | suicidolt: Make another root user with a different name and home directory and modify the home directory's ~/.bashrc file so that when you login it starts X and does what you want. Ta-DA! All you need to do is figure out how you want to start X. |
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| 05:25.55 | karlpinc | suicidolt: Try "man 5 passwd" to make another root user. |
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| 05:33.09 | Captain_Haddock | karlpinc: is it possible to load X via PuTTY as well? |
| 05:33.26 | Captain_Haddock | has long put off looking into this |
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| 05:35.27 | karlpinc | Captain_Haddock: No. You can _tunnel_ X. If you've an X server on your box (there's a free one, besides cygwin, for MS Windows you can find at freshmeat) then you can run your programs elsewhere and display your desktop on the box in front of you. |
| 05:35.57 | karlpinc | Captain_Haddock: But x11vnc is probably easier. |
| 05:36.00 | JamezQ | Why not just... vnc |
| 05:36.01 | JamezQ | yea |
| 05:36.14 | karlpinc | JamezQ: But you still need to tunnel it. |
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| 05:37.10 | Captain_Haddock | JamezQ: I'm just curious :) |
| 05:37.38 | cast | where should i be looking if i want to run a command when my laptop lid closes? |
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| 05:38.49 | LeetDog13372 | hey guys, why cant install libopencl1 or its virtual package nvidia-libopencl1? i need the opencl libs. |
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| 05:39.29 | JamezQ | cast: event=button/lid action=/etc/acpi/actions/script.sh %e |
| 05:39.34 | JamezQ | from: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_acpid |
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| 05:40.18 | Captain_Haddock | karlpinc: XMing X Server for Windows? |
| 05:40.25 | JamezQ | also: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1076486.html , Basically I google'd "run command when laptop lid closed linux" |
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| 05:40.51 | cast | JamezQ: cheers :) |
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| 05:41.14 | cast | i was kind of hoping for some doco in debian somewhere |
| 05:41.17 | karlpinc | Captain_Haddock: Yah. |
| 05:41.21 | cast | but alias, got it working |
| 05:41.28 | Captain_Haddock | karlpinc: cool, thanks :) |
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| 05:42.56 | LeetDog13372 | hey guys, why cant install libopencl1 or its virtual package nvidia-libopencl1? i need the opencl libs. |
| 05:43.05 | karlpinc | Captain_Haddock: Try running xeyes to test. |
| 05:43.33 | JamezQ | cast: Did you get it working? nice, what way? |
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| 05:43.59 | cast | JamezQ: :/etc/acpi/events$ cat lidclose-custom |
| 05:44.00 | cast | event=button[ /]lid |
| 05:44.00 | cast | action=/usr/local/lidclosed.bash |
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| 05:44.26 | cast | then restarted acpid |
| 05:45.03 | JamezQ | cast: nice :P Me and my uncle are so smart. |
| 05:45.18 | cast | mmm? |
| 05:45.36 | JamezQ | google is my uncle ;) |
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| 05:46.51 | LeetDog13372 | karpinc: why cant install libopencl1 or its virtual package nvidia-libopencl1? i need the opencl libs |
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| 05:48.15 | karlpinc | LeetDog13372: I think you should tell the channel what you are typing to install it and what error you get. That might give somebody a clue. |
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| 05:49.10 | mads- | karlpinc: wouldn't that take all the fun out of it? :) |
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| 05:50.24 | LeetDog13372 | http://pastie.org/1834119 |
| 05:54.10 | LeetDog13372 | •karlpinc• any idea? ^ |
| 05:54.22 | mads- | LeetDog13372: how does your /etc/apt/sources.list look? |
| 05:55.36 | LeetDog13372 | http://pastebin.com/GBmk2qs9 |
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| 05:58.14 | mads- | If I'm not mistaken, looking at http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/nvidia-libopencl1 would make me think you should have non-free in your sources.list as well |
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| 06:01.44 | karlpinc | !tell LeetDog13372 about non-free |
| 06:02.00 | LeetDog13372 | its fixed. |
| 06:02.02 | karlpinc | !tell LeetDog13372 about non-free sources |
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| 06:02.34 | LeetDog13372 | ´non-free |
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| 06:39.30 | wrksx | is it possible to monitor a file to know what/who is writing to it ? |
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| 06:41.03 | cast | yes |
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| 06:41.18 | cast | !inotify |
| 06:41.18 | dpkg | A replacement for dnotify, currently in kernels >= 2.6.13 -- see: http://www.edoceo.com/creo/inotify/, or used by Beagle (a desktop search infrastructure), Gamin (a FAM replacement), and other projects. |
| 06:41.42 | wrksx | cast, something is curently writing to a file, i'd like to know what |
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| 06:42.01 | cast | lsof doesn't tell you that? |
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| 06:42.22 | wrksx | cast, I don't know about lsof =) |
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| 06:42.31 | wrksx | cast, i'll man it now |
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| 06:43.49 | JamezQ | wow, lsof is cool :D |
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| 06:46.32 | Bushmills | wrksx: try iotop |
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| 06:57.25 | project2501a | ok, lenny to whizzy, not so smoouth upgrade path. |
| 06:57.36 | project2501a | wheezy, even. |
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| 06:58.39 | project2501a | next time remember. lenny->squeeze->wheezy |
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| 07:15.10 | hanibana | Hi all. I want to install a web browser on a Debian lenny server without GUI. And then use SSH X forwarding to use it on my local system. When I want to install epiphany, it goes to install many packages near 200 MB. Any suggestion? |
| 07:15.38 | Arrowmaster | install iceweasel |
| 07:15.39 | JamezQ | do those packages include X? |
| 07:16.15 | nevyn | probably xlibs. |
| 07:16.23 | nevyn | if it depends on an X server then it's broken |
| 07:16.41 | nevyn | but you will need the libs and fonts and stuff so tha's not really surprising that it's 200mb |
| 07:16.42 | hanibana | JamezQ: mostly contain gnome... |
| 07:16.43 | karlpinc | hanibana: You probably want "aptitude -R" to do the install. |
| 07:17.08 | nkuttler | epiphany probably depends on gnome |
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| 07:17.29 | Arrowmaster | yeah, huge parts of gnome |
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| 07:18.33 | nevyn | lots of gnome and gtk and xcb/xlib |
| 07:18.46 | nkuttler | hanibana: why do you need the x forwarding? you could also use an ssh tunnel or install a proxy i guess |
| 07:18.48 | hanibana | iceweasel is not bad. 65 MB. |
| 07:19.54 | nevyn | nkuttler: Xforwarding IS an ssh tunnel |
| 07:19.54 | hanibana | nkuttler: I want to connect to an application installed on that server locally. |
| 07:20.17 | nkuttler | yeah, i mean port forwarding |
| 07:20.58 | joltcan | ssh -D is your friend |
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| 07:20.59 | nkuttler | hanibana: forwarding a port sounds like a better alternative to me in this case |
| 07:21.02 | nevyn | nkuttler: it's often not flexibile enough I tend to use text based browsers on servers for the most part. |
| 07:21.20 | nevyn | hanibana: definitly do the port forwarding thing |
| 07:21.40 | nevyn | ssh -L 8081:localhost:(appport) |
| 07:21.49 | nevyn | then server to ssh to |
| 07:22.19 | nevyn | can't understand why security standards always say sshd must have Xforwarding and XTCPforwarding turned off. |
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| 07:22.33 | hanibana | nevyn: yeah I'm going to try it. |
| 07:22.36 | hanibana | thanks all |
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| 07:23.45 | nevyn | then use a browser to localhost:8081 on your workstation |
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| 07:31.06 | notze | hey there short question, as default in debian the courier is confiured as "authpam" is there a good documentation how this is used= |
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| 07:39.35 | EO_ | Where can I find all the preseed values for the debian-installer? |
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| 07:46.14 | Leoneof | hello, i can't see Debian updates nowaday, or i have problem? |
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| 07:47.26 | puty | hi. how i can uncpack zimage? thanks |
| 07:48.38 | blami | puty: zimage? |
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| 07:49.38 | sepski | Leoneof, perhaps you run stable ? |
| 07:49.54 | Leoneof | sephii: yes, Debian 6 |
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| 07:50.41 | sepski | and you have a deb line for security.debian.org in your sources list ? |
| 07:50.58 | sepski | !tell Leoneof about security |
| 07:50.58 | Leoneof | yes |
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| 07:51.38 | puty | blami yes zimage |
| 07:51.40 | sepski | well then there simple is not any security updates for your machine at the moment. personaly i use apticron to send me a email for when there are upgrades that need to be installed |
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| 07:51.59 | sepski | (or you did something wrong in your sources list file. ) |
| 07:52.11 | sepski | but then a aptitude update should give you errors |
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| 07:53.19 | Leoneof | sep: okay, thanks :-) |
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| 08:01.15 | EO_ | hrm, I'm mirroring security right now =) |
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| 08:17.07 | armetiz | Hi there, |
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| 08:17.41 | JamezQ | :33 |
| 08:17.42 | JamezQ | hi |
| 08:17.48 | armetiz | I just want to be sure.. If I have an Intel 64Bits CPU, I have to use debian-xxx-amd64 to be able to use 64Bis ? |
| 08:19.08 | JamezQ | 32 bit or 64bit should work on 64 bit |
| 08:19.22 | armetiz | Yes, but I want a Debian 64Bits |
| 08:19.27 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:19.40 | armetiz | And Debian-xxx-i386 is only a 32bits version ? |
| 08:19.47 | Bushmills | !amd64 |
| 08:19.48 | dpkg | amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running i386 Debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are AMD64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>. |
| 08:20.23 | armetiz | ok.. |
| 08:20.45 | armetiz | This is because "AMD' refer to AMD Constructor.. |
| 08:21.02 | armetiz | Because I hav'nt any reason to use 64bits, I'm using 32bits like documentation advice |
| 08:21.19 | Bushmills | i'm using 32 bits on desktop too |
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| 08:21.47 | JamezQ | unless your doing gaving, movie creation or graphic design |
| 08:21.51 | JamezQ | it probably won't matter |
| 08:21.53 | armetiz | The reason to use 64bits versions is to be able to use more than 32Mo of RAM ? |
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| 08:21.59 | armetiz | The major reason I mean |
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| 08:22.34 | cast | seems to be a lot of resistance to 64 bits here |
| 08:22.46 | cast | it's an improvement, get with the times :P |
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| 08:22.49 | Bushmills | more specifically, to be able to use programs which can easily address more than 4 GiB RAM |
| 08:22.50 | cast | PAE is nasty. |
| 08:23.11 | armetiz | yes ,p |
| 08:23.25 | cast | the reason to go with 32bit seems to be able to keep compatibility with shitty old non-free apps |
| 08:23.35 | JamezQ | lol |
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| 08:24.13 | armetiz | So, your advice to use 64bit is for Desktop ? |
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| 08:24.38 | Bushmills | 64 bit programs are larger than 32 bit programs. what advantage do they give in return? |
| 08:24.43 | cast | mine is, yes, it has been for years. |
| 08:24.55 | cast | Bushmills: greater performance in quite a few programs, by quite a large margin |
| 08:24.56 | armetiz | And for server, your advice is to use 32bits even if I need some specifics features of 64bits ? |
| 08:25.16 | cast | Bushmills: crypto and multimedia codecs came to mind :) |
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| 08:25.21 | Bushmills | cast, greater performance is not unconditinally true. many are slower. |
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| 08:26.03 | cast | because of the 2x memory requirement for pointers? |
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| 08:26.14 | Bushmills | for example |
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| 08:26.58 | cast | there's also 2x more registers, and a wad of high performance instructions that can be assumed to be present when compiling for AMD64 instead of i386 |
| 08:27.40 | cast | the world is moving to 64 bit, hell even windows users are going there |
| 08:27.52 | cast | [SUN has been there for a long time] |
| 08:28.24 | Bushmills | ah. "because the others use 64 bit too" is for sure a great reason to use it yourself, even if you don't really need it. |
| 08:28.47 | JamezQ | Don't fight the future man |
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| 08:29.06 | jelly-home | cast: sun has taken a quite pragmatic approach to 64bit, most of Sun Solaris userspace was 32bit |
| 08:29.10 | Bushmills | on servers i run 64 bit versions. |
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| 08:30.43 | Bartzy|work | Hi |
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| 08:31.44 | Bartzy|work | Trying to install squeeze (6.0.1a installer) amd64 through netinst CD. The installer get stuck on some phase, and no matter how many times I choose something (for example, configure the clock using NTP), it won't go to the next phase. The phase it gets stuck in is different in every time I reboot. |
| 08:32.01 | Bartzy|work | Also, for some reason the up arrow doesn't work. Only the down arrow... Any ideas ? |
| 08:32.13 | Bartzy|work | Using HP DL360-G6 |
| 08:32.19 | Bushmills | Bartzy|work: have you done a memory test? |
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| 08:33.58 | Bushmills | Bartzy|work: is your CPU, RAM or PCI bus overclocked? |
| 08:34.47 | Bushmills | i'd try to change RAM timing in BIOS to conservative settings |
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| 08:36.28 | Bartzy|work | Bushmills: Defintely not. It's a HP server, didn't touch its BIOS... |
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| 08:38.30 | dreamer | hmmm. running sid I did a d-u yesterday and now my compose key is overriden with default diacritic signs. from the log I saw that keyboard-configuration was upgraded. but the xkboptions should be overriden by my setxkbmap on login. |
| 08:38.39 | dreamer | these default diacritic signs are very annoying |
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| 08:40.28 | Bartzy|work | Bushmills: RAM error could cause this ? Up arrow not working and stuck in a specific phase ? |
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| 08:41.15 | Bushmills | up arrow is not likely. machine hanging in various places is quite possible |
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| 08:42.45 | Bushmills | though if there's no pattern at all to where it stops, i'm more likely to suspect timing problems, such as on a bus |
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| 08:43.05 | peeq | Is there any way I can make my debian 6 squeeze into rolling release distro? |
| 08:43.27 | peeq | Will opening up unstable and testing repository and updating often make it so? |
| 08:43.29 | Bushmills | peeq: no. if you do, it's not squeeze any longer |
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| 08:45.13 | peeq | Bushmills, Could you please tell the prominent differences in a debian 6 on testing repo and a would be rolling release? |
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| 08:45.26 | peeq | I guess kernel upgrades is one of them. Apart from this anything else? |
| 08:45.54 | disaster123 | hey guys - i've inserted in my ld.so.preload a self compiled library called libxyz.so. This one is compiled for 64bit (in /lib64/) and or 32bit in (/lib32/). When i now run 64bit programs everything is fine and the lib is loaded. But when i start a 32bit program i get ERROR: ld.so: object 'libxyz.so' from /etc/ld.so.preload cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
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| 08:46.20 | osbeix | hi folks i need some help with English is there any native English speaking person who can help me understand the meaning of a term |
| 08:46.33 | Bushmills | peeq: well, any package which is considered good enough for testing will be updatable. |
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| 08:47.26 | Bushmills | current rate of new packages is about 20...50 per day. updated packages depend on what you have actually installed |
| 08:47.47 | peeq | Bushmills, Yes, specifically I need to stay in bleeding edge of qt beta libraries for my development. |
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| 08:48.24 | peeq | So basically if I am in Debian testing, and update often makes my distro still a debian squeeze? |
| 08:48.31 | Bushmills | no. |
| 08:48.37 | Bushmills | !wheezy |
| 08:48.37 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>. |
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| 08:50.11 | dreamer | anyone here using sid and having issues with default diacritical signs? |
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| 08:51.30 | peeq | Bushmills, Ok, so am I correct than I can rely on wheezy much more than a Arch Linux? |
| 08:51.41 | peeq | s/than/that |
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| 08:52.06 | Bushmills | peeq: how much can you rely on arch linux? i need a quantitative reply, to be able to compare against wheezy |
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| 08:56.52 | peeq | Bushmills, I do kde dev and some QML learning on latest qt libraries, I also use it for all othe things like browsing, entertainment. Data from /home and some /etc are backed up regularly, although no system wide backup is done. SO I rely on arch to provide almost no problems for except kernel upgrades during which I need to update video drivers. |
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| 08:57.19 | osbeix | what exaclty means "joint undertaking" |
| 08:57.56 | Bushmills | submerge smokeware? |
| 08:57.58 | WormFood | osbeix, ask your question in #english. There are a lot of technical people there, and unless your question is specific to debian, is more on-topic there too. |
| 08:58.13 | osbeix | WormFood: thanks and sorry |
| 08:58.20 | WormFood | osbeix, it means to do something together |
| 08:58.38 | disaster123 | nobody here who can help me with LD_PRELOAD and 32bit binaries on a 64bit system? |
| 08:58.44 | WormFood | a task, or job...perhaps a job that is too big to do on your own...for example, Debian is a joint undertaking. |
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| 08:59.06 | osbeix | WormFood: thank you! |
| 08:59.28 | WormFood | your welcome...I was trying to keep it on topic ;) |
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| 08:59.44 | Bushmills | peeq: so, if your reliance on arch is "to provide almost no problems", then "rely on wheezy much more than a Arch Linux" would allow for how much problems? |
| 09:00.19 | WormFood | Bushmills, I think you're way over his head ;) |
| 09:01.10 | WormFood | what was the distro that didn't do package signing? I was wanting to say it was Arch, but I don't remember now. |
| 09:01.30 | osbeix | peace! |
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| 09:07.41 | jham | WormFood: you're right |
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| 09:08.02 | jham | it's still archlinux. they're working on that |
| 09:08.20 | WormFood | yeah, just based on that one thing alone, I wouldn't touch it with a 10 meter pole. |
| 09:08.29 | peeq | Bushmills, Well, I just took a break to rethink what I was saying, and yes; WormFood is right, its a bit over my head. There are lots of things which go into making a distro reliable. |
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| 09:09.08 | peeq | WormFood, I am reading the about that right now. |
| 09:09.09 | jham | WormFood: not on an enterprise server. i would on some desktops (i do, actually) |
| 09:09.23 | WormFood | and you feel safe with that? |
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| 09:09.39 | WormFood | that is like fscking a hooker without a condom |
| 09:09.45 | pfui | any solution to the overheating problem causes by gnome-shell and fglrx? |
| 09:09.48 | jham | if you can feel safe in www at all, i think - yes |
| 09:09.53 | pfui | *caused |
| 09:10.31 | jham | WormFood: do you use any non-official repositories in debian? |
| 09:10.33 | WormFood | pfui, you're confused. Software does not cause hardware problems, in the areas of overheating. That is a hardware issue caused by insufficient cooling. |
| 09:10.57 | pfui | WormFood: true. but the problem is only apparent with gnome-shell |
| 09:11.25 | WormFood | pfui, I suggest you take apart your computer, and clean the dust...specifically off the heatsinks. I have to do that from time to time, or my system will overheat |
| 09:11.26 | pfui | WormFood: i thought there might be some sort of a connection one way or the other |
| 09:11.35 | pfui | WormFood: laptop :\ |
| 09:11.58 | WormFood | and I DO NOT want my system to shutdown, when I'm running quad cores and it is cranking up the power, for a video encode, or something like that....so I try to keep it cool ;) |
| 09:12.38 | WormFood | pfui, my girlfriend and I got "new" (used) laptops, and there was a problem with mine. I couldn't run 3D for more than a few minutes, before it'd lock up the machine cold |
| 09:12.49 | WormFood | but EVERYTHING else worked perfectly |
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| 09:13.21 | WormFood | so I traded it with my girlfriend's laptop, and she spilled water on it, and it wouldn't turn on....so I take it apart to clean it, and find the problem |
| 09:13.51 | pfui | taking apart a laptop? isn't that kinda risky? |
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| 09:14.15 | pfui | i wouldn't even know where to start :\ |
| 09:14.17 | WormFood | the heatsink has thermal conductive goo on it, to draw the heat away from the chip...and they neglected to remove the plastic protective coating over the goo, so it effectively had no heatsink |
| 09:14.33 | nevyn | WormFood: srsly.. sadtimes. |
| 09:14.52 | WormFood | I had the same problem with a dell desktop too...I have a picture of that one |
| 09:15.50 | WormFood | customer had delegated that computer to non-critical tasks, because it was unreliable....pop off the heatsink, and find the protective layer at an angle...maybe making 10% contact, at the edges (it'd probably be ok, if that 10% was dead center) |
| 09:16.55 | WormFood | anyways pfui, I'm a computer and electronics tech, so taking apart laptops is my job (sometimes)....I gotta fix an apple laptop in a day or two...fun, fun, fun (they are a BITCH to work on,,,,good thing I have the service manual) |
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| 09:17.31 | sep | cast, my backuppc installation's performance have dropped like a rock after i upgraded from eetch to squeeze. could also be that nfs performance have dropped ? since i have /var/lib/backuppc on a NAS ? are any of you experiencing something similar? or is backkuppc working fine for you in squeeze ? |
| 09:17.57 | sep | s/etch/lenny/ |
| 09:18.09 | WormFood | pfui, if you're comfortable with taking things apart, then find the disassembly instructions for your laptop, and give it a shot...I've "fixed" several laptops, where the only problem was a dirty heatsink. or a bad fan |
| 09:18.14 | notze | whats the best mailserver combination to use with debian? |
| 09:18.25 | WormFood | notze, qmail |
| 09:18.29 | sep | nots, postfix+dovecot's lda |
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| 09:18.45 | notze | okay |
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| 09:18.59 | WormFood | qmail is more secure |
| 09:19.03 | WormFood | ;) |
| 09:19.48 | pfui | whatever happened to exim? |
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| 09:20.17 | WormFood | notze, what is "best" is purely subjective, depending on your wants and needs....I personally choose to run qmail, but it is not easy to get setup....but once it is, it is reliable...some people complain about some design issues of qmail, but those have been fixed with various patches. |
| 09:20.25 | notze | is it all alternative qmail exim courier sendmail postfix ... |
| 09:20.43 | WormFood | and qmail is in the public domain too |
| 09:20.50 | notze | ok |
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| 09:21.15 | project2501a | trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/inspect', which is also in package libboost1.40-dev 1.40.0-6~bpo50+1 <-- ? |
| 09:21.18 | WormFood | and there are several good mail servers built on qmail...also, some of the biggest sites use qmail |
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| 09:21.21 | Arrowmaster | WormFood: good joke |
| 09:21.29 | WormFood | Arrowmaster, what joke? |
| 09:21.54 | nsadmin | project2501a that shouldn't happen in stable debian where both packages are in main |
| 09:21.58 | jham | notze: postfix/dovecot |
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| 09:22.04 | WormFood | you mean about qmail being public domain...it is true...check out the qmail page on DJB' site. |
| 09:22.35 | project2501a | nsadmin: that is not stable debian. it is a botched dist-upgrade from lenny -> wheezy |
| 09:22.41 | WormFood | http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html I hereby place the qmail package (in particular, qmail-1.03.tar.gz, with MD5 checksum 622f65f982e380dbe86e6574f3abcb7c) into the public domain. You are free to modify the package, distribute modified versions, etc. |
| 09:22.44 | project2501a | i am trying to save the installation. |
| 09:23.19 | WormFood | Arrowmaster, is that what you were talking about? |
| 09:23.28 | nsadmin | well dunno what to tell you then,,, if it's "botched" that could mean anything and have any effect |
| 09:23.58 | Arrowmaster | technically its impossible to release something into the public domain in any country that follows the berne convention |
| 09:24.11 | WormFood | oh really? |
| 09:24.24 | simonlnu | yep |
| 09:24.34 | project2501a | nsadmin: basically, i am stuck upgrading the damn boost libraries. i am stuck against that wall. what could that "trying to overwrite" message could be? that the file is used? |
| 09:24.37 | WormFood | can one of you point me to a page that explains that? |
| 09:24.46 | project2501a | or rather, why is the upgrade failing. |
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| 09:25.29 | Arrowmaster | its yet to be challenged in a US court but there is nothing in US law that allows you to release a work into the public domain, until its brought before a court and a judge rules on it though its unknown if its possible or not |
| 09:25.35 | simonlnu | copyright is automatically assigned to the author in some places. |
| 09:25.46 | nsadmin | at the least it means the two packages have two files that have nothing to do with each other that happen to have the same name |
| 09:25.55 | nsadmin | and possibly location |
| 09:26.04 | project2501a | hmmmm. |
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| 09:26.10 | pfui | what if the author forfeits any rights to the published work? |
| 09:26.23 | Arrowmaster | in germany i believe its impossible to do that which is why CC0 was created |
| 09:26.24 | project2501a | nsadmin: can i circumvent this error, somehow? |
| 09:26.30 | Arrowmaster | some other countries too |
| 09:26.43 | nsadmin | that's not all that likely tho, more likely the files do have something to do with each other |
| 09:26.45 | WormFood | that is interesting, I hadn't heard that before, but I'm reading about it now. |
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| 09:27.14 | mallxs | Hi i was on unstable but my install turned into a mess, keybaord/mouse freeze etc, but can ssh in to the box, i would like to strip the install down to a minimm and restart install, any instructions for that ? or a link ? |
| 09:27.31 | simonlnu | pfui: can't here, for instance, not in any real legal sense. |
| 09:27.31 | project2501a | nsadmin: well, it could be the simlinks to each individual most current boost library |
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| 09:28.00 | WormFood | you can also release a work anonymously |
| 09:28.09 | nsadmin | so you have two different boost libraries? remove both, reinstall one |
| 09:28.10 | aimka | Hi |
| 09:28.14 | mads- | Hi aimka |
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| 09:28.21 | simonlnu | pfui: depends on the jursidiction, and local laws, and whether or not that jurisdiction follows certain international laws and treaties. |
| 09:28.38 | project2501a | nsadmin: i got three different boost libraries :D |
| 09:28.51 | WormFood | also, I almost never use my real name when I actually do say "copyright", most of the time I use my nick...isn't that almost the same as making yourself anonymous? |
| 09:29.26 | aimka | is there a way in Debian to prevent dpkg to run a service (and to add it at the boot) when upgrading a package ? |
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| 09:29.42 | simonlnu | aimka: no |
| 09:29.46 | aimka | :'( |
| 09:30.03 | aimka | okay thanks for your clear response simonlnu :) |
| 09:30.07 | Arrowmaster | there is one sure way to release something into the public domain though in the US, submit it to the library of congress and pay the processing fee |
| 09:30.45 | nsadmin | unless special provisions were made by the lib author (also see how different postgresqls coexist for an example), debian doesn't handle the case of multiple lib versions well in the default/general case |
| 09:30.54 | WormFood | I've never heard of doing that before. Any idea what the processing fee is? (just out of curosity) |
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| 09:31.10 | Arrowmaster | i think i read it was around $20 |
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| 09:31.28 | WormFood | a little steep to just give away something to the whole world |
| 09:31.52 | WormFood | anyways, interesting stuff. |
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| 09:32.52 | masterkorp | hello, what's the debain pacakge that contaisn the trnsmission web interface ? |
| 09:33.04 | masterkorp | transmission-commom? |
| 09:34.05 | pfui | masterkorp: there's no separate package afaik. if you're looking to run a headless server you could use transmission-daemon and configure it to launch the web interface. |
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| 09:35.40 | Arrowmaster | transmission-common has a web/ directory |
| 09:35.46 | project2501a | what was the name of that utility ubuntu uses to write an iso to usb? |
| 09:35.58 | blip- | Hi, I want to try proper Debian (former Ubuntu user)... would this be the right place to get a LiveCD 64-bit version ? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 09:35.59 | masterkorp | pfui: yeah but that package give me trouble |
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| 09:36.16 | pfui | masterkorp: can you elaborate on that? |
| 09:36.17 | masterkorp | pfui: it looks for a inexistent version of trasnmission-commom |
| 09:36.19 | blip- | I'm unsure of the "iso-hybrid" directory, or should be in another |
| 09:36.23 | masterkorp | just a sec |
| 09:36.30 | Arrowmaster | blip-: yeah thats right |
| 09:36.32 | blip- | thinking to get " debian-live-6.0.1-amd64-lxde-desktop.iso " |
| 09:36.40 | pfui | masterkorp: i'm no expert, but it's running pretty fine on my home machine |
| 09:36.42 | blip- | ok cool. Thanks Arrowmaster |
| 09:37.14 | blip- | Arrowmaster, one other thing, how can I check the packages available in the repos ? I want to know if the version of the secure-delete tool |
| 09:37.25 | masterkorp | pfui: on lenny ? |
| 09:37.36 | pfui | masterkorp: sid |
| 09:37.36 | Arrowmaster | blip-: packages.debian.org |
| 09:37.57 | blip- | Arrowmaster, great. thanks |
| 09:38.04 | Bushmills | ,versions secure-delete |
| 09:38.05 | judd | Package secure-delete on i386 -- lenny: 3.1-4; sid: 3.1-5; squeeze: 3.1-5; wheezy: 3.1-5 |
| 09:38.08 | pfui | masterkorp: tried the backported package? |
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| 09:38.42 | masterkorp | pfui: i dont really need the daemon, i can make the ini script really easy |
| 09:38.58 | masterkorp | pfui: is the web interface in common ? |
| 09:39.10 | masterkorp | plus any text configuration file ? |
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| 09:40.16 | pfui | masterkorp: in a sense yes. the web interface is in common, but there's no separate executable. you'll need to install either -gtk or -daemon |
| 09:40.43 | blip- | Bushmills, thanks. 6.0.1 is squeeze ? |
| 09:40.44 | pfui | masterkorp: http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/transmission-common/filelist |
| 09:40.49 | masterkorp | i cant find the daemon so |
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| 09:41.00 | Bushmills | !squeeze |
| 09:41.00 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.1>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 09:41.26 | pfui | masterkorp: 1.7 was backported to lenny |
| 09:41.38 | blip- | !wheezy |
| 09:41.38 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>. |
| 09:42.36 | masterkorp | !g backports |
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| 09:43.33 | hfghfgh | hi all. i'm trying to install debian testing and i get a debootstrap error after partitioning, is it a known problem? |
| 09:43.55 | blip- | Would it be accurate to say that the unstable Debian (Squeeze) has similar versions of programs as the latest Ubuntu ? Or is Squeeze more recent/testing even |
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| 09:44.18 | Bushmills | !squeeze |
| 09:44.18 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.1>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 09:44.30 | masterkorp | !backports |
| 09:44.30 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 09:44.55 | blip- | yes yes I read that. How does it compare to Ubuntu, that's what I want to figure out |
| 09:44.58 | Bushmills | blip-: squeeze never was unstable |
| 09:45.03 | blip- | I'm downloading stable now |
| 09:45.04 | hfghfgh | i get the same debootstrap error when installing from the full testing iso image and from the netinstall one |
| 09:45.05 | blip- | ah |
| 09:45.44 | blip- | Bushmills, I mistyped. I meant is Wheezy the equivilant of the latest ubuntu |
| 09:45.59 | blip- | For my laptop, I'm guessing Wheezy will have better compat with new hardware |
| 09:46.01 | Bushmills | maybe on #ubuntu they now better how it compares to unstable ... |
| 09:46.23 | blip- | on #ubuntu they don't even know how ubuntu compares to itself :D |
| 09:46.25 | hfghfgh | after i downloaded the iso i checked the md5 sum and burned the cd with wodim -v -dao speed=24 dev=/dev/hdb myiso.iso |
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| 09:46.43 | pfui | hfghfgh: could be a problem with the installer? try installing stable and then upgrading to testing. |
| 09:46.48 | masterkorp | bacports website wont open to me |
| 09:46.51 | Bushmills | i can tell you how testing compares to unstable :) |
| 09:46.58 | masterkorp | bah i hate when this happens |
| 09:47.21 | hfghfgh | that is the next thing to do , right, but any hint on why i get a debootstrap error? |
| 09:47.28 | Bushmills | googles that funny word "ubuntu" |
| 09:47.43 | blip- | thanks all |
| 09:48.22 | pfui | hfghfgh: nightly builds of the installer are prone to having issues. you can safely ignore it unless you plan on figuring out what's wrong and filing a bug report. |
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| 09:49.16 | hfghfgh | ok, and the weekly buils? last week i tried and grub-pc failed to install, this week i try and debootstrap fails |
| 09:49.17 | mallxs | will cat mini.iso > /dev/sdX create a file mini.iso on the sub stick or does it change more ? |
| 09:49.18 | hfghfgh | :( |
| 09:49.50 | Bushmills | depends on what you call "file" |
| 09:50.05 | masterkorp | pfui: apt-get -t lenny-backports install transmission-daemon |
| 09:50.15 | masterkorp | pfui: E: Couldn't find package transmission-daemon |
| 09:50.20 | project2501a | mallxs: are you trying to install a debian image on a usb stick? |
| 09:50.26 | Bushmills | if a file can exist in a file system only, it won't create a file |
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| 09:50.52 | pfui | masterkorp: it's there: http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/transmission-daemon |
| 09:50.59 | mallxs | yes, but my debian is down so looking for the dos command to do this |
| 09:51.07 | project2501a | your debian is down? |
| 09:51.49 | masterkorp | pfui: yeah, my vps is crazy, this is why i am gona trash it with torrents |
| 09:51.55 | hfghfgh | when burning a debian cd iso do i need rockridge and joliet extensions? |
| 09:51.59 | pfui | :D |
| 09:52.02 | mallxs | yes was on unstable, tryed to get my G110 keyboard working, did sme things wrong and now the install is a mass |
| 09:52.16 | masterkorp | pfui: at least they got my money bacj, but the vps remained active |
| 09:52.37 | Bushmills | hfghfgh: you don't want to create a new iso. so RR and joliet don't apply |
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| 09:53.16 | Bushmills | you have an iso already. don't put that iso into another iso file. instead, write the whole iso to cd/dvd |
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| 09:54.50 | hfghfgh | Bushmills, yeah, what i want to do i check if my cddrive is working ok, i want to download the iso, check the md5 ,burn the cd, then mount it and use genisoimage to make an image of it and compare the new md5 with the first |
| 09:55.38 | hfghfgh | Bushmills, should they be the same? |
| 09:55.53 | mtx_init | if you just use Bt you don't need to bother with all that md5 jazz |
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| 09:56.43 | hfghfgh | so? should the md5's be the same? |
| 09:56.43 | Bushmills | hfghfgh: no, unlikely. you probably want to compare the whole images, rather than comparing against a newly created image |
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| 09:57.03 | hfghfgh | Bushmills, how's that |
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| 09:57.45 | Bushmills | write to disk, then compare whole disk against the iso, which is presumably still sitting on your hard disk |
| 09:57.51 | hfghfgh | after downloading the md5 of the iso is the same as the one reported on the web page, what i want is check if i get a 100% identical copy on the cd |
| 09:57.54 | hfghfgh | after burning |
| 09:58.05 | hfghfgh | aaaa |
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| 09:58.17 | hfghfgh | Bushmills, how can i compare the whole disk? |
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| 09:58.42 | hfghfgh | can wodim do that? |
| 09:59.12 | Bushmills | you could compare, diff, or create hashes of both, and compare those |
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| 09:59.43 | Bushmills | i doubt wodim can do that |
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| 10:02.31 | rajkosto | how do i configure interface to have ptp address |
| 10:02.34 | hfghfgh | ok so i can dd from the cdrom to an iso and compare the md5 sum of that to the original iso md5, correct? |
| 10:03.09 | masterkorp | pfui: i ahve the daemon up and running, now do i need to configure anything ? |
| 10:03.49 | Bushmills | for example, yes. but you can create the hash directly from the cd device |
| 10:04.04 | WormFood | smokes some CD hash ;) |
| 10:04.49 | WormFood | can't seem to keep the corned beef lit. |
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| 10:04.58 | Bushmills | there may be a problem with lead out padding |
| 10:05.11 | Seb | yes, this is tricky to do |
| 10:05.14 | Seb | *very* tricky |
| 10:05.43 | Seb | hfghfgh: I seriously wouldn't go there; had to write a CD-checksumming program for a past employer, I don't wish that on anyone :) |
| 10:05.45 | WormFood | hfghfgh, yes, you can compare the md5sum of the CD, and it should match the ,iso...I've found that does not always seem to work with DVDs for some reason |
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| 10:05.59 | Seb | yep, the medium does matter |
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| 10:06.38 | WormFood | hfghfgh, you can also mount the iso on a loopback, and do a "diff -r" on it |
| 10:06.50 | WormFood | that is how I verify my DVDs |
| 10:07.21 | hfghfgh | i'm doing dd if=/dev/cdrom | md5sum |
| 10:07.29 | WormFood | heh |
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| 10:07.35 | hfghfgh | and i'll try that too |
| 10:07.37 | WormFood | why use dd? you need to convert it? |
| 10:08.04 | hfghfgh | no just read it |
| 10:08.08 | WormFood | dd is a conversion tool....no better than CP for what you're doing, except for the fact if you send dd a sighup, it will print out how much it has copied ;) |
| 10:08.22 | WormFood | er, not a sighup, I think it was a sigusr1 or something like that |
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| 10:09.03 | WormFood | hfghfgh, also reading from a CD can be tricky, because when you get to the end of the device, sometimes you'll get an error, but the image is totally good. |
| 10:09.55 | WormFood | when you try to read past that last sector, it will give you an error, but the last good sector was completely read...and the image you get is good....it can throw you for a loop if you're not expecting it. |
| 10:10.18 | hfghfgh | dd if=/dev/cdrom | md5sum works |
| 10:10.29 | hfghfgh | and i get the same md5sum as the original iso |
| 10:10.35 | hfghfgh | so nothing wrong there |
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| 10:11.20 | hfghfgh | if i grab the stable debian can i install like a base sistem, no gnome no nothing, then change the sources list to testing and dist-upgrade? |
| 10:11.26 | WormFood | yes...also md5sum</dev/cdrom should have worked too ;) |
| 10:11.41 | Bushmills | hfghfgh: yes, possible |
| 10:12.01 | WormFood | hfghfgh, why not just install testing directly? |
| 10:12.17 | hfghfgh | cause i get a debootstrap error after partitioning |
| 10:12.23 | Bushmills | testing installers seems to be problem prone at the moment |
| 10:12.29 | hfghfgh | with the weekly and the daily |
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| 10:14.44 | hfghfgh | i should have done that from the start, before i ruined 4 cd's with testing :( |
| 10:14.54 | hfghfgh | oh and a dvd too |
| 10:15.15 | Bushmills | joys of testing |
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| 10:16.03 | hfghfgh | lesson learned, now first stable then upgrade |
| 10:16.14 | hfghfgh | but |
| 10:16.17 | WormFood | why use a real CD, and not a flash memory stick? |
| 10:16.27 | hfghfgh | i ran out |
| 10:16.39 | hfghfgh | i works just so many times |
| 10:16.43 | WormFood | I've never had a problem installing from CD, except when I used the "official debian" install CDs |
| 10:17.06 | WormFood | I mean, it isn't a problem if I have the drivers on a usb stick, that should have been on the CD to start with. |
| 10:17.25 | Bushmills | grub can also boot from iso images |
| 10:17.47 | WormFood | it can? I don't remember grub being able to do that. |
| 10:17.49 | hfghfgh | before i dist-upgrade from stable to testing, can i pin down grub ? |
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| 10:18.03 | Bushmills | install grub-imageboot, and put isos into /boot/images |
| 10:18.12 | WormFood | interesting. |
| 10:18.36 | hfghfgh | does testing install grub-pc ? |
| 10:18.48 | WormFood | or, you can install over the network, with pxe...that is really, really sweet |
| 10:18.57 | Bushmills | hfghfgh: yes |
| 10:19.06 | hfghfgh | and stable installs grub |
| 10:19.10 | hfghfgh | right? |
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| 10:19.22 | Bushmills | squeeze installs grub-pc too |
| 10:19.38 | Bushmills | unless you explicitely select grub-legacy |
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| 10:19.48 | hfghfgh | can i do that at install¿ |
| 10:19.59 | hfghfgh | sry , i ment ? not ¿ |
| 10:20.02 | WormFood | I had a big ass stack of computers to upgrade (like 20-30 of them)...and had to run a special program to make it boot without a keyboard...make a pxe boot, and just zip through them...less than a minute for each one. |
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| 10:20.34 | hfghfgh | oh it's been so long since i saw the blue and red screen of install |
| 10:20.37 | hfghfgh | hate it |
| 10:20.49 | Hekos | why does libapache2-mod-mono depend on x11 ? |
| 10:20.58 | Bushmills | my wlan router is my pxe server :) |
| 10:21.53 | WormFood | my wlan router is just an AP |
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| 10:22.17 | WormFood | but I do have the internet port, configured as a normal switch...so it is like a 5 port hub, with AP :D |
| 10:22.20 | hfghfgh | if i can select grub-legacy when installing stable, i'm afraid it will install grub-pc when dist-upgrade and ruin my boot sector |
| 10:22.26 | Bushmills | device is turned on all the time anyway - good machine for misc server functionality |
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| 10:22.45 | WormFood | if you're worried about your boot sector, then BACK IT UP |
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| 10:23.12 | WormFood | debian isn't windows, it isn't gonna trash your boot setup without asking you first. (unless something goes wrong) |
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| 10:25.28 | heimdoll | Hello all. I'm doing some testing and would like an init script to start after rc.local . I thought that if I put rc.local in the Required-Start: area of the header, that when it got installed, or I used sysv-rc-conf, my script would be sequenced after rc.local . This is not happening; instead its sequence number 01. Any suggestions on what I might be missing? |
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| 10:44.48 | thewanderer1 | hey, I've got a multi-part .rar ... the many archives contain the same file. how to extract this, i.e. join it all into one? cat a.tar >>b.tar and then >>c.tar doesn't work... :P |
| 10:45.03 | wm5 | how can I give a locally installed package a higher priority than one installed from remote? the packages have the same name and same version |
| 10:45.11 | thewanderer1 | s/\.tar/\.rar/ |
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| 10:45.18 | SPF | thewanderer1: 7z e foo.rar |
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| 10:45.44 | thewanderer1 | SPF: do I pass it the first part? |
| 10:45.52 | wm5 | thewanderer1: yes... and get unrar non-free if that doesn't work |
| 10:46.27 | thewanderer1 | 7z returns Unsupported Method |
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| 10:47.25 | babilen | thewanderer1: It is just "unrar x the_first.rar" and it will unpack the rest automagically. Haven't done that in some though so YMMV (or my command may be plain wrong) |
| 10:47.36 | thewanderer1 | oh, I probably need p7zip-rar ... |
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| 10:48.13 | SPF | wm5: but watch out, unrar non-free doesn't support version 3 |
| 10:48.21 | thewanderer1 | hmm what O.o |
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| 10:48.37 | thewanderer1 | why do people still use that? [scratches head] |
| 10:48.41 | wm5 | SPF: wasn't that unrar _free_, or am I confusing the versions |
| 10:48.45 | Joelio | Hi, I'd like to get JSON output of packages that are waiting to be upgraded, has this already been achieved? |
| 10:48.54 | wm5 | anyway, I never had a rar that unrar couldn't deal with |
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| 10:49.33 | thewanderer1 | Joelio: hack update-notifier to do that :P |
| 10:49.38 | SPF | yes, unrar-free. Most files I had worked, but I had a file that couldn't be extracted with unrar-free |
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| 10:49.55 | wm5 | SPF: and 7z can handle it? |
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| 10:50.08 | thewanderer1 | alright, let's see if it worked with 7z with rar module |
| 10:50.10 | wm5 | SPF: sorry, wait |
| 10:50.14 | wm5 | you said unrar-free |
| 10:50.21 | wm5 | but unrar non-free seems to handle everything |
| 10:50.28 | SPF | ah, ok |
| 10:50.42 | Sw33NY | hi all |
| 10:50.47 | wm5 | still surprised that 7z can handle all |
| 10:50.49 | SPF | 7z is part of p7zip-rar right? |
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| 10:51.23 | Joelio | thewanderer1: This is for headless nodes, I want each system to generate JSON output that I can push back to a REST controller I'm writing. I'm trying to create a 'spacewalk' like system but Debian centric |
| 10:51.29 | Mmike | I have a server that's doing heavy I/O. iostat show me that it is on /home partition, where I have set up clients docroots. Now, there are cca 1700 directories there, how can I nail down which one is causing the most io? I know that it is apache/php application doing random i/o to site/htdocs/cache directory, but how would ai naild dowh which of those 1700 sites is doing the most ? |
| 10:51.34 | Iridos | thewanderer1, you usually need the nonfree unrar and filenames have to be whatever.part1.rar whatever.part2.rar and so on for the autoincrement to work |
| 10:52.00 | thewanderer1 | yeah, I figured |
| 10:52.24 | thewanderer1 | now how to get sound out of this evil-codec-movie :P |
| 10:52.49 | babilen | thewanderer1: Don't you have *one* the_archive.rar and a bunch of the_archive.r01 ... the_archive.rNN ? |
| 10:53.05 | thewanderer1 | I've already unpacked this, thanks y'all |
| 10:53.07 | wm5 | thewanderer1: mplayer? |
| 10:53.10 | babilen | great :) |
| 10:53.13 | alinux__99 | Hi, this statement give me the folders that have been changed since 20 March find . -type d -newermt '04/20/11' ...I need a way to find folders that have not been changed since last 20 March ..any help please |
| 10:53.23 | dudz_ | just use xbmc then you don't have to extract anything or worry abotu codecs |
| 10:53.51 | dudz_ | you can go back to knot knowing why things exist again |
| 10:54.12 | wm5 | mplayer > xbmc |
| 10:54.39 | thewanderer1 | ha, it was runaway PA again... killed it and sound works :P |
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| 10:55.02 | vtts | alinux__99, try -mtime -6 |
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| 10:55.52 | vtts | alinux__99, sorry, +6 |
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| 10:56.19 | vtts | if you need not modified for 6 days |
| 10:56.22 | fureddo | What do you think about the harden-servers package? Is it worth installing? |
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| 11:11.23 | vtts | alinux__99, "accessed" is not equal to "modified" |
| 11:12.11 | vtts | to confirm, check with "stat DIR" |
| 11:13.14 | vtts | -mtime +6 should give you files which have mtime older than six days i.e. they were not modified during the last 6 days |
| 11:13.38 | Iridos | you could also confirm/reject based on reading "man find" |
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| 11:29.30 | dmi3on_ | hi all, i need some help with mounting folder |
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| 11:29.48 | ectospasm | !tell dmi3on_ about ask |
| 11:30.11 | dmi3on_ | i have 2 users when i need to create shared folder that will be access from users home directory |
| 11:30.17 | dmi3on_ | is it possible to do ? |
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| 11:31.05 | ectospasm | dmi3on_: make a symlink in user2's home directory: ln -s /home/user1/dir /home/user2/dir |
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| 11:32.31 | dmi3on_ | hm ok thanks will try |
| 11:32.42 | dmi3on_ | i rember that mounting was much better |
| 11:33.02 | dmi3on_ | but not sure why |
| 11:33.18 | babilen | dmi3on_: What do you want to achieve exactly? How do you measure the degree of "better"? |
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| 11:35.35 | dmi3on_ | babilen, i habe 2 ftp users and need to share between them directory. I did it like 6 month ago on a server and cant remeber how i did it with mount |
| 11:35.36 | dmi3on_ | :( |
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| 11:36.42 | babilen | dmi3on_: Well, just create a directory somewhere that both can access. I would also like to note that FTP MUST DIE! -- /msg dpkg ftp must die |
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| 11:37.08 | esto | im making a preseed answers file for debian installer, is there any option to ignore wifi interfaces? |
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| 11:37.15 | esto | i cant found it |
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| 11:38.43 | dmi3on_ | "bind" |
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| 11:39.43 | sep | esto, i think you can only choose one with netcfg/choose_interface select eth0 ; not exclude. altho you can ask in #debian-boot on irc.debian.org for authorative answers |
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| 11:43.43 | disaster123 | is it a security risk to put suid bit on a shared lib? |
| 11:44.27 | esto | thx sep |
| 11:44.30 | cast | i've never seen that before, why would you do that? |
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| 11:47.22 | WormFood | would the suid bit work on a shared lib? I doubt it. |
| 11:47.56 | disaster123 | WormFood: i'm using LD_PRELOAD and an SUID binary cannot load a shared lib via LD_PRELOAD when it isn't SUID |
| 11:48.05 | WormFood | it MAY be a security risk, but I'd be unsure of how to exploit it. |
| 11:48.18 | WormFood | wow, I didn't know that. |
| 11:48.28 | WormFood | it makes sense tho |
| 11:48.49 | WormFood | it makes perfect sense....that way an attacker can't replace a shared lib, unless they already have root access to the system. |
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| 11:49.05 | disaster123 | WormFood: yep |
| 11:49.14 | WormFood | they should be able to anyways, without root, but just in case, it does make sense. |
| 11:49.55 | WormFood | if you need the suid bit set for other libraries, then I can't imagine how it could be a security risk. |
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| 11:51.19 | WormFood | think about it...if you need access to these libraries as root, and you need the suid bit set on those libraries, then if it was exploitable somehow, then I'm sure we'd know about it before now....too many people, much smarter than us have tried to find different attack vectors, and I'm sure that came to mind |
| 11:51.34 | gnugr | !offtopic |
| 11:51.34 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 11:53.04 | disaster123 | gnugr: this isn't really offtopic as a lot of distris have implemented it's own ways to handle that. For example under redhat you have LD_PRELOAD_32 and LD_PRELOAD_64 to load 32bit and 64bit libraries this doesn't exist in debian and so on |
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| 11:53.55 | disaster123 | WormFood: but you can't get root through an suid bit in an library. It just tells the kernel that it is OK to be loaded by an SUID program. And then somebody needs root first to set the suid bit at all |
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| 11:54.41 | WormFood | yeah, I didn't feel it was off topic either, and the channel isn't busy, only us...not that that justifies us as being off topic, but still... |
| 11:55.10 | WormFood | exactly, so it is a catch-22 for an attacker, and if they had that kind of access to the system, they could do anything anyways. |
| 11:56.09 | disaster123 | WormFood: right ;-) so it should be OK - tooked me hours to know that SUID scripts can only load SUID libs (defined by LD_PRELOAD) |
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| 11:58.03 | WormFood | suid 'scripts'? or binaries? |
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| 11:58.32 | disaster123 | WormFood: sorry meant binaries |
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| 12:00.39 | WormFood | I have an suid script...it is called from a suid binary, built specifically to launch that shell script....and it would not work, if I didn't use -p option with bash |
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| 12:01.24 | disaster123 | haven't tried something like that ;-) |
| 12:01.26 | WormFood | which does not make sense to me...how could the binary be suid, but not launch the script as that user (by the way, it may sound crazy, but the user isn't root) |
| 12:02.11 | WormFood | most people associate suid with getting root access....but I use it to change the user FROM root, or another user, to a specific user the script needs to run as. |
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| 12:02.56 | disaster123 | sorry no idea about that |
| 12:02.59 | WormFood | it would work as root, but not as another user....anyways, NOW we're starting to get a little off topic...and I need to go...so see ya l8r |
| 12:03.28 | WormFood | is happy to learn something new. ;) |
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| 12:09.00 | wm5 | how can I give a locally installed package a higher priority than one installed from remote? the packages have the same name and same version |
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| 12:09.15 | abrotman | wm5: then how is it different? |
| 12:09.25 | wm5 | abrotman: package contents and headers |
| 12:09.41 | abrotman | wm5: then you should have changed the package version string |
| 12:09.53 | wm5 | abrotman: but then dependencies from other packages break |
| 12:10.05 | abrotman | which package is this? |
| 12:10.10 | wm5 | libfreetype6 |
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| 12:10.10 | abrotman | !tell wm5 about hold |
| 12:11.26 | wm5 | thanks hold worked for some reason |
| 12:11.40 | wm5 | I tried pinning the package in apt_preferences before, but that didn't work |
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| 12:18.47 | dmi3on_ | how do add 2 user with r/w access to derictory ? |
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| 12:22.36 | Trewas | dmi3on_: traditional unixy way is to create a new group, add the users to it and then set group ownership and permissions of the directory accordingly |
| 12:22.39 | sep | dmi3on_, create a group add the 2 users to the group. and give the group rw in the directory. (if you want the created files to also have the group set to that group, you need to setgid on the directoy |
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| 12:28.09 | dmi3on_ | http://superuser.com/questions/19318/how-can-i-give-write-access-of-a-folder-to-all-users-in-linux |
| 12:28.32 | dmi3on_ | sep, Trewas, thanks for helping i find this link |
| 12:28.37 | dmi3on_ | http://superuser.com/questions/19318/how-can-i-give-write-access-of-a-folder-to-all-users-in-linux |
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| 12:29.06 | hmmz | hi. i got 1 q. |
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| 12:29.54 | hmmz | is there any commandline ftp clients using whom i can upload more than 1 file simountanesly to ftp server? |
| 12:29.56 | dmi3on_ | sep, Trewas, I cant figure out how to do it :( |
| 12:30.01 | babilen | dmi3on_: The methods outlined in that post will grant permission to *all* users and not only the two you are interested in. Just do what sep told you and you will be fine. FTP MUST DIE! |
| 12:30.01 | hmmz | somehow i cant find any. |
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| 12:31.29 | hmmz | would be nice if you could use something like 'mput *' with lftp and that starts to transfer 2 files together, not just 1. |
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| 12:35.34 | joltcan | hmmz: The man file says that background jobs can run in parallel |
| 12:35.57 | joltcan | hmmz: and groupbed by () |
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| 12:39.32 | hmmz | wow, found this in lftp: mirror:parallel-transfer-count (number) |
| 12:39.35 | hmmz | should work! |
| 12:39.40 | hmmz | will test it asap |
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| 12:39.52 | hmmz | default of course is only 1 |
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| 12:40.54 | ali3n0 | hi folks. suggestions about availability monitors packaged for debian? I'm looking for something very simple, just to check a TCP port and send an email if timeout |
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| 12:41.12 | ali3n0 | otherwise I'll go for some bash-foo ;) |
| 12:42.11 | ciphergoth | I've got a Debian system mounted as /target, but it currently has no way to boot |
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| 12:42.14 | ciphergoth | how do I install grub? |
| 12:42.21 | ciphergoth | it's etch! |
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| 12:43.08 | pythoned | ciphergoth: http://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
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| 12:43.23 | dmi3on_ | sep, i can figure out logic how group is linked to a folder :( i think that were is my problem |
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| 12:44.03 | boerse | people |
| 12:44.15 | ciphergoth | pythoned: the issue is that I can only chroot into the system, not boot into it |
| 12:44.18 | boerse | hi :-) |
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| 12:44.52 | daemonkeeper | ciphergoth: grub is on the installer, the recovery console supports (re-) installing grub through it. |
| 12:45.13 | boerse | I would like to know if it is possible to install debian on a 256 hd with a graphical environment for rdesktop and saned as a scanner daemon |
| 12:45.16 | ciphergoth | daemonkeeper: I'm not on the recovery console - how do I do what it does? |
| 12:45.46 | boerse | mb ^^ |
| 12:45.56 | daemonkeeper | ciphergoth: You can boot into recovery mode from the installer media. If you are in the normal installer, skip through unnecessary steps and select "install grub" from the installer menu. |
| 12:46.31 | daemonkeeper | ciphergoth: Or copy grub manually from the installer to /target, chroot into it and install it. Note you may need to bind mount /proc and /dev to do so |
| 12:46.46 | ciphergoth | ah, I think bind mounting proc and dev is the way forward |
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| 12:47.00 | ciphergoth | I don't have to copy manually, apt-get install works in the chroot |
| 12:47.12 | daemonkeeper | Yep, but etch is not on the mirrors anymore ;) |
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| 12:47.53 | ciphergoth | daemonkeeper: we have a local mirror |
| 12:47.57 | daemonkeeper | Oh, ok. |
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| 12:51.57 | boerse | well is it possible to install debian for rdesktop with a graphical environment and sane-backends with saned daemon on a 256 MB harddisk? |
| 12:52.39 | daemonkeeper | 256MiB may be a challenge, 512-1024MiB is definitively enough. |
| 12:53.07 | erAbuelo | buenas |
| 12:53.24 | Iridos | boerse, you can just try... http://www.debian.org/releases/2.1/i386/ch-hardware-req.en.html 2.3 says you should have at least 300MB for X |
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| 12:53.38 | joltcan | boerse: since I assume it has network you could run it over NFS or something, and remove the need for local storage |
| 12:53.54 | boerse | well the problem is, the thin client has no more than 256 MB and there is no cf card to extend the space... this is the problem.. |
| 12:54.14 | joltcan | boerse: But it does have PXE and network? |
| 12:54.14 | Iridos | as I said... you can just try... it will be kind of tight |
| 12:54.15 | boerse | well its not a lan, but a vpn via dsl |
| 12:54.59 | cast | what about squeezefs? |
| 12:54.59 | boerse | i dont know the speed is too slow for booting this os over dsl... |
| 12:55.03 | daemonkeeper | boerse: There are specialized Linux distributions for your purpose. |
| 12:55.19 | daemonkeeper | Damn Small Linux, Tinycore, ... |
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| 12:55.30 | boerse | daemonkeeper i know but none of them are supporting sane-backends with saned as the scanner daemon... |
| 12:55.55 | boerse | saned needs the libc6... and the base of dsl are using libv4 ^^ |
| 12:56.07 | daemonkeeper | Well, you may prepare a specialized Debian image for your purpose. |
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| 12:57.11 | boerse | yes this is it... i dont know if its possible to use xfree... |
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| 12:58.06 | Iridos | boerse, ops, apologies... that link came from google and is heavily outdated... http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en is for the current stable and says you need around 350MB for a console install 1GB for X |
| 12:58.25 | daemonkeeper | Iridos: Yes. base install takes 300 MiB |
| 12:58.53 | Parsifal | Is Emdebian likely to be beneficial in this case? |
| 12:58.57 | Iridos | I had wondered about the numbers I dug up first :) not enough to immediately check the URL, though :) |
| 12:59.00 | daemonkeeper | boerse: Should be possible, but you will need to tweak your system heavily. |
| 12:59.17 | boerse | Emdebian? well i will have a look.. till now i never heard about it... |
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| 12:59.31 | daemonkeeper | Parsifal: Is Emdebian close to produce something productive? |
| 12:59.36 | Iridos | Parsifal, possibly... but the type of applications he has in mind aren't typical for embedded systems either, I'd say |
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| 13:00.07 | Iridos | daemonkeeper, I thought it works ok... but admittedly I've not tried it |
| 13:00.08 | Parsifal | I don't know much about Emdebian, just seems like the concept is something that might be helpful here. |
| 13:00.14 | Iridos | yeah |
| 13:00.23 | Iridos | !emdebian |
| 13:00.24 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
| 13:00.35 | daemonkeeper | Afaict it is heavy work in progress though. |
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| 13:04.01 | Iridos | hm, emdebian still available for 7 architectures |
| 13:04.39 | Iridos | well, the one for lenny was only for ARM |
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| 13:05.31 | Iridos | lists i386, amd64, powerpc, armel, mips and mipsel |
| 13:05.39 | Iridos | how is this "7", one wonders |
| 13:06.01 | Iridos | what's this "and" architecture ;) |
| 13:06.30 | aleray | hi, I'm trying to install user quota, but I get an error: http://dpaste.com/535883/ |
| 13:06.48 | DammitJim | man, I used rsync to backup 700GB of data and all it did was create the directories, but the files aren't there :( |
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| 13:07.14 | Iridos | /dev/xvdb? |
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| 13:07.21 | joltcan | DammitJim: -a is the flag. What did you use? |
| 13:07.33 | DammitJim | rsync -av --progress /home/mach /opt/backups/ |
| 13:07.40 | DammitJim | this is to a network attached storage |
| 13:07.49 | DammitJim | I had to mount it as root |
| 13:07.49 | aleray | Iridos, yes |
| 13:08.00 | DammitJim | mount //IP_ADDRESS/share /opt/backups |
| 13:08.16 | daemonkeeper | Iridos: xvdb is the kernel device for paravirtualized device drivers (i.e. Xen) |
| 13:08.24 | joltcan | DammitJim: And what file system is that NAS? |
| 13:08.24 | daemonkeeper | xvdX actually |
| 13:08.32 | Iridos | eww |
| 13:08.44 | DammitJim | xfs |
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| 13:08.58 | aleray | Iridos, daemonkeeper I have a virtual machine at gandi |
| 13:09.11 | joltcan | DammitJim: Let me re-phraze, what is the filesystem shared over? |
| 13:09.12 | daemonkeeper | They may use Xen then. |
| 13:09.15 | aleray | but I don't think my problem it is related |
| 13:09.25 | daemonkeeper | No, xvdX is fine |
| 13:09.29 | aleray | daemonkeeper, yes they do |
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| 13:09.56 | DammitJim | this is what the console said once it was done: http://pastebin.com/CAcuwQSA |
| 13:10.10 | DammitJim | the server's file system is ext3 and the nas is xfs |
| 13:10.21 | joltcan | DammitJim: And you use samba for this? |
| 13:10.31 | DammitJim | no, I used a straight mount |
| 13:10.34 | Iridos | aleray, well, the obvious first question is: what filesystem is it... did you read /usr/share/doc/quota/README.Debian |
| 13:10.35 | DammitJim | maybe that's the problem |
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| 13:11.04 | joltcan | DammitJim: I think //IP suggest to mount that it should use samba. Try NFS or sshfs or whatnot |
| 13:11.09 | DammitJim | and I ended up using mount instead of samba because I couldn't run /sbin/mount.cifs as a normal user |
| 13:11.31 | DammitJim | yeah, I'm considering doing sshfs |
| 13:11.49 | joltcan | DammitJim: You don't need to mount it for rsync to work if both boxes has it |
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| 13:12.06 | SaintStewart | DEBIAN FTW! |
| 13:12.08 | joltcan | DammitJim: then you can just use rsync -avP /home/mach user@host:/opt/backups |
| 13:12.18 | aleray | Iridos, touching aquota.user should be enough |
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| 13:12.20 | aleray | ? |
| 13:12.22 | joltcan | DammitJim: And problem is solved |
| 13:12.41 | DammitJim | joltcan, I'm going to give that a shot |
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| 13:15.35 | DammitJim | joltcan, I can't unmount this thing right now |
| 13:15.37 | joltcan | DammitJim: Thats the way to do it. And I would also recommend rsnapshot for scheduled backups |
| 13:15.53 | DammitJim | doing an lsof | grep /opt/backup says that bash and screen are using it |
| 13:16.03 | DammitJim | do I just kill those 2 processes? I don't know what else is accessing them |
| 13:16.10 | joltcan | DammitJim: unmount -lf ? |
| 13:16.21 | joltcan | DammitJim: Yes, exit screen |
| 13:16.29 | DammitJim | I'm ssh'd into that server |
| 13:16.41 | joltcan | DammitJim: you probably started screen when you had cd to the /opt directory |
| 13:17.01 | DammitJim | ok, I got it |
| 13:17.16 | DammitJim | done |
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| 13:18.29 | Iridos | aleray, depends if quota support is in the kernel for your filesystem? Not sure if that's still a problem and for what filesystems |
| 13:18.40 | Iridos | there will be none for fat, that's sure :) |
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| 13:19.08 | DammitJim | joltcan, man, the nas doesn't support ssh |
| 13:19.49 | DammitJim | I would have to flash it with a different firmware |
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| 13:22.54 | Endres | second try: why does du -hs show only 4,3G for me, but df -h shows that 567G are used? http://pastebin.com/nYaBWTYz |
| 13:22.54 | Endres | sometimes the 567GB are lower and sometimes they are higher... now I think they are about 200 GB :-\ |
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| 13:22.54 | aleray | Iridos, thanks. I just found out that I didn't have to create the aquota.[user|group] files perior to installing quota/tools |
| 13:22.54 | samson | hi |
| 13:22.54 | aleray | I floowoed an old howto |
| 13:22.54 | aleray | followed |
| 13:22.54 | samson | are there in debian some tools to reduce size of jfs filesystem? |
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| 13:22.56 | joltcan | DammitJim: Darn it, use NFS then |
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| 13:22.56 | DammitJim | I'm googling nfs |
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| 13:24.00 | DammitJim | joltcan, it seems nfs is what I was using |
| 13:24.01 | DammitJim | hhhmmmm |
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| 13:24.47 | joltcan | DammitJim: I doubt it, samba doesn't support all of the permissions etc of a linux filesystem. But you should definitely be able to backup up all the files regardless |
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| 13:26.38 | Endres | guys, my problem is really important because 500 GB is "some" difference... |
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| 13:26.41 | DammitJim | joltcan, now that I have mounted it, what rsync parameters should I use? |
| 13:26.46 | DammitJim | is -av not enough? |
| 13:26.52 | dorb | I am stuck in an infinite loop while booting - total black screen.. also in recovery mode _don't have the magic words for google; please help |
| 13:27.07 | DammitJim | mabye since it's the first time, I should just do a copy |
| 13:28.54 | joltcan | DammitJim: no, -av is what you need. The errormsg just said that it couldn't copy all files/attributes, which is different from just copying your directories |
| 13:29.16 | DammitJim | ok, then I guess I'll just re-run the command and see what it does |
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| 13:30.38 | DammitJim | weird.. it's still not doing anything |
| 13:30.53 | DammitJim | I tested just a directory and it failed |
| 13:31.00 | DammitJim | maybe there is something wrong with that filesystem |
| 13:31.30 | DammitJim | rsync: failed to set times on "/opt/backups/mach/I1525-Lois-2011-04-07": Operation not permitted (1) |
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| 13:32.09 | Seb | DammitJim: *ownership* (root vs. rest of the world) |
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| 13:32.48 | DammitJim | Seb, what do you mean? |
| 13:33.25 | Seb | DammitJim: you're not root ? |
| 13:33.33 | DammitJim | Seb, not when I'm copying stuff over |
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| 13:33.51 | Seb | DammitJim: but it was mounted as root |
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| 13:33.56 | DammitJim | yes |
| 13:34.04 | DammitJim | but the directory is drwxrwxrwx |
| 13:34.12 | dorb | who do I have to sleep with to get some help around here? |
| 13:34.25 | DammitJim | that's not very nice, dorb |
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| 13:34.38 | Seb | DammitJim: the toplevel one should also be |
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| 13:34.47 | dorb | depends, if you get irony or not.. |
| 13:34.53 | Seb | DammitJim: i mean the one above your target |
| 13:34.55 | DammitJim | Seb, it is |
| 13:35.29 | DammitJim | gosh, this is weird |
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| 13:36.02 | Seb | DammitJim: do the rsync as root, or mount with 'users', or fix your permissions |
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| 13:36.24 | Seb | dorb: some error msg is being displayed, find it |
| 13:36.25 | DammitJim | Seb, what permissions? the directory is wide opened |
| 13:36.44 | Seb | DammitJim: not the one you think, apparently |
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| 13:37.05 | DammitJim | I mounted to /opt/backups |
| 13:37.06 | dorb | Seb, can't boot - no recovery mode and my screen is black.. |
| 13:37.22 | Seb | dorb: no grub menu ? |
| 13:37.27 | dorb | maybe I can do a liveUSB and check the messages.. |
| 13:37.35 | dorb | Seb, yes |
| 13:37.41 | dorb | I get GRUB |
| 13:37.50 | Seb | dorb: then after that, *nothing* ? |
| 13:37.51 | DammitJim | ls -l /opt/ gives: drwxrwxrwx 3 root root 0 Apr 26 09:35 backups |
| 13:37.51 | DammitJim | drwxr-xr-x 9 root root 4096 Apr 12 16:17 e17 |
| 13:37.58 | dorb | Seb, exactomundo |
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| 13:38.07 | thewanderer1 | hey, is it just me or can any user pretend they are any program in the system by issuing: logger -p daemon.warn -t smartd "omg your disk is failing" ? |
| 13:38.48 | dorb | Seb, I found some fixes through google, but they all depend on having bash access |
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| 13:39.20 | thewanderer1 | dorb: you'll at least need a Linux distro which boots and gives you access to your Debian install |
| 13:39.21 | Seb | dorb: edit hte grub line, remove the splash/quiet things |
| 13:39.43 | DammitJim | dammit... nothing still and I supplied a password |
| 13:39.53 | dorb | seb, K |
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| 13:42.41 | dorb | Seb, that didn't really help - just gave me a more verbose bootup which went flying past my screen before going black and freezing/looping again.. |
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| 13:43.11 | samson | are there in debian any tools to reduce size of jfs filesystem? |
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| 13:43.56 | Seb | dorb: good, now figure out the last line |
| 13:44.17 | samson | in google i could find only something like "chfs" -- and couldn't found it in debian |
| 13:44.18 | dorb | Seb, can I pipe it to less :) ? |
| 13:44.33 | Seb | dorb: possibly find the grub option to disable automatic reboot |
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| 13:46.10 | abrotman | !apt-file |
| 13:46.10 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
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| 13:47.29 | dorb | Seb, set root='(hd0,msdos1)' --do you know what the msdos1 parameter is doing? |
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| 13:47.46 | Seb | dorb: google will |
| 13:48.01 | dorb | Seb, the only options are quiet and readonly |
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| 13:48.17 | dorb | i.e ro |
| 13:48.22 | Seb | dorb: you obviously will need to add one, then |
| 13:48.42 | Douglish | Hi everybody, I've been trying to create a debian package of my KDE application including documentation. I'm using CPack, package is created and when installing I got an error: unable to create `/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/myapp/common/3.png.dpkg-new' (while processing `./usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/myapp/common/3.png'): No such file or directory. Has anyone experience with this? |
| 13:49.37 | Douglish | Also I tried another way (dh_make etc) but I got errors because of files created in CMakeFiles. |
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| 13:50.22 | dorb | seb, any ideas or online-resources? |
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| 13:51.27 | Seb | dorb: besides google and pretty much the exact words i gave you, not really, no |
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| 13:53.24 | babilen | Douglish: Try #debian-mentors or #debian-kde on irc.debian.org |
| 13:54.00 | Douglish | babilen: Thanks. |
| 13:54.03 | dorb | Seb, the boot-process is not looping, it's something else: blackscreen (10sec) -> screen resolution error (0.5sec) -> black screen ..etc |
| 13:54.40 | Seb | dorb: no, we re now at hte point where you see msgs |
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| 13:55.59 | dorb | Seb, for a split second, before looping again |
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| 13:56.11 | Seb | dorb: and we wanna know what they are; use a digital camera if you have to |
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| 13:56.35 | Seb | dorb: see, it s looping; make it not loop by adding a kernel parameter in grub |
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| 13:56.47 | dorb | Seb, OK cheers |
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| 14:00.03 | samson | are there in debian any tools to reduce size of jfs filesystem? |
| 14:00.05 | samson | in google i could find only something like "chfs" -- and couldn't found it in debian |
| 14:00.21 | Seb | Rziz: daemons usually don't source that, only login shells |
| 14:00.49 | Seb | samson: abrotman told you how to search for a binary in debian |
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| 14:01.24 | Rziz | hm, it appears to me though xdm doesn't source /etc/profile either on user session launch, unlike gdm in /etc/gdm3/Xsession |
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| 14:01.54 | kripz | debian is complaining ls is missing |
| 14:02.04 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 14:02.24 | Seb | abrotman: your !apt-file thing |
| 14:02.26 | kripz | yet if "tab" in /bin/ i can see ls there |
| 14:02.43 | Rziz | xdm's default Xsession just refers to /etc/X11/Xsession and /etc/X11/Xsession.d/* which logically don't source /etc/profile? |
| 14:02.45 | abrotman | Seb: not you .. kripz |
| 14:02.54 | abrotman | kripz: and if you call it with a full path ? |
| 14:03.00 | Seb | kripz: your PATH is fucked ? |
| 14:03.09 | Seb | abrotman: doh sorry |
| 14:03.27 | kripz | Seb: i think that may be the case, i dont know how to fix it though. echo $path |
| 14:03.27 | kripz | /usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 |
| 14:03.46 | kripz | abrotman: /bin/ls no such file or directory |
| 14:03.47 | abrotman | kripz: /bin/ls /bin ? |
| 14:03.48 | Rziz | anyway for some reason my x session seems to ignore /etc/default/locale :/ |
| 14:04.03 | abrotman | kripz: dpkg --print-architecture; file /bin/ls |
| 14:04.26 | tuxcrafter | hi all i am using libreoffice to make pdf files and i get feedback from several windows user they cant open the files |
| 14:04.37 | kripz | dpkg missing, file missing |
| 14:04.37 | dpkg | no idea, kripz |
| 14:04.42 | samson | Seb, i know how to find binary in debian |
| 14:04.46 | kripz | abrotman: all those commands missing |
| 14:05.00 | kripz | oh shit, all the files arent in /bin |
| 14:05.03 | samson | Seb, there are no chfs binary in debian |
| 14:05.06 | Seb | Rziz: sudo grep -R /profile /etc ? :) |
| 14:05.14 | Seb | samson: should I invent one right away for you ? |
| 14:05.19 | abrotman | kripz: does busybox run ? |
| 14:05.44 | Seb | tuxcrafter: define "cannot open" |
| 14:05.57 | samson | Seb, i have searched it before asking there |
| 14:05.58 | kripz | what files are supposed to be in /? |
| 14:06.03 | Seb | Rziz: why not edit /etc/X11/Xsession ? |
| 14:06.25 | Seb | samson: no, I mean, obviously then it's not packaged in debian |
| 14:06.27 | samson | Seb, i am asking if this utility have another name in debian |
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| 14:06.41 | samson | Seb, or if there are other method to reduce size of jfs |
| 14:06.42 | tuxcrafter | Seb: i dont know yet, customers are saying they cant open it |
| 14:06.45 | Rziz | Seb: hm, i might edit /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession as /etc/X11/Xsession is also sourced by startx |
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| 14:06.54 | tuxcrafter | i will try installing acroread on linux and see what happens |
| 14:06.56 | Seb | Rziz: yep |
| 14:07.09 | Seb | tuxcrafter: do evince or xpdf open it ? |
| 14:07.18 | Rziz | Seb: I think /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession should source /etc/profile by default though like /etc/X11/gdm3/Xsession |
| 14:07.29 | tuxcrafter | Seb: yes evnince and xpdf did work |
| 14:07.33 | Seb | Rziz: file a bug against xdm, at least you'll get an explanation :) |
| 14:07.45 | Seb | tuxcrafter: not sure, then; get your hands on a windows box ? :> |
| 14:07.50 | Rziz | Seb: i'll have a look, thanks |
| 14:08.21 | Seb | Rziz: np |
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| 14:10.02 | abrotman | kripz: ? |
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| 14:11.06 | kripz | abrotman: i dont have busybox |
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| 14:12.13 | kripz | just lost ssh, cant get back in |
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| 14:16.28 | DammitJim | gosh, I really hate this linkstation |
| 14:16.32 | DammitJim | I'm going to have to flash the thing |
| 14:18.45 | abrotman | wtf |
| 14:19.38 | dtcrshr | im trying to install freenx on my debian squeeze 64 box. on the project site the links are dead, is there an alternative? |
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| 14:24.12 | royce3 | I'm willing to pay $100 via paypal to someone how can help me figure out how to get these drivers installed properly in the distro I'm using. Is there a recommended place where bounties can be posted? |
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| 14:24.50 | dtcrshr | whats the oficial debian irc server? |
| 14:25.04 | abrotman | royce3: which distro? |
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| 14:25.14 | Seb | braces for impact |
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| 14:25.17 | royce3 | abrotman: it's "HP Thin Pro", but HP doesn't provide support |
| 14:25.22 | Seb | *boom* |
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| 14:25.27 | abrotman | what is your distro? |
| 14:25.38 | royce3 | it's based on debian lenny |
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| 14:26.03 | Seb | royce3: does it have an actual name ? |
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| 14:26.17 | royce3 | "HP Thin Pro" |
| 14:26.45 | royce3 | it's designed to run on their thin client hardware, but given it's x86 and based on linux, I have it running successfully on a number of PCs |
| 14:26.59 | royce3 | problem is it has a very limited selection of nic drivers, so I want to add realtek drivers to it |
| 14:27.02 | Seb | royce3: why would you do that, if they don't provide support ? |
| 14:27.11 | Seb | royce3: as opposed to, say, a plain debian install ? |
| 14:27.20 | royce3 | ease of management |
| 14:27.25 | Seb | apparently not... |
| 14:27.45 | royce3 | their distro makes it so my employees can deploy and configure a box without knowing any linux |
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| 14:28.05 | royce3 | I want to install this on some of my older hardware so I'm running the same interface for everything |
| 14:28.14 | Seb | but they don't support realtek, which makes it basically useless |
| 14:28.17 | abrotman | royce3: go to whatever channel for your distro, this isn't it .. this channel is for Debian support |
| 14:28.23 | Seb | won't argue any further, though |
| 14:28.37 | tuxcrafter | Seb: acroread cant open my pdf documents made with libreoffice |
| 14:28.47 | royce3 | Seb: I already have the realtek driving loading and working, just can't get it to load automatically |
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| 14:28.58 | Seb | royce3: see abrotman's comment |
| 14:29.02 | tuxcrafter | Seb: i use corier 10 pitch as font and acroread complains there is something wrong with it |
| 14:29.24 | tuxcrafter | LibreOffice 3.3.2 |
| 14:29.35 | Seb | tuxcrafter: try another font, make sure this one loads fine in acroread, and be done with it ? |
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| 14:29.55 | tuxcrafter | Seb: well they are my invoices.... |
| 14:29.59 | royce3 | there isn't one, which is why I'm willing to pay $100 for the help to a debian expert |
| 14:30.01 | Seb | tuxcrafter: other than that, google or #libreoffice I'd guess |
| 14:30.06 | tuxcrafter | Seb: changing fonts would not very nice... |
| 14:30.11 | abrotman | royce3: debian.org/consultants |
| 14:30.19 | royce3 | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:30.33 | abrotman | I'm sure HP would take your money too |
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| 14:32.12 | Endres | who wants to help me regarding my problem? |
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| 14:33.06 | abrotman | Endres: did you try an fsck on the filesystem? |
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| 14:33.54 | Endres | I am asking the guy who maintains the server... |
| 14:34.10 | Endres | (It is apperently not my own problem...) |
| 14:34.12 | abrotman | why isn't he on IRC? |
| 14:34.49 | Endres | he is... ManiacTwister, but I think he doesn't speak English very good and it seems that he is away now... |
| 14:35.05 | sternocera | Hi. I'm trying to install pgbouncer on Lenny with backports. It can't be found though. apt-get -t squeeze-backports install "pgbouncer" doesn't find it. Why? |
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| 14:36.26 | abrotman | sternocera: is it in backports at all ? |
| 14:36.30 | abrotman | judd: versions pgbouncer |
| 14:36.31 | judd | Package pgbouncer on i386 -- lenny-backports: 1.3.1-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.3.3-2; sid: 1.4.1-1; wheezy: 1.4.1-1 |
| 14:36.46 | Parsifal | sternocera: Why are you using squeeze-backports on lenny? |
| 14:36.52 | abrotman | sternocera: you wanted lenny-backports you mean ? |
| 14:36.58 | cast | he's insane |
| 14:37.00 | sternocera | oh yeah, whoops |
| 14:37.02 | Seb | heh |
| 14:37.27 | sternocera | Well, that doesn't work either |
| 14:37.35 | sternocera | isn't insane, just doesn't know the first thing about Debian |
| 14:37.57 | abrotman | sternocera: put your sources.list in a pastebin ... |
| 14:38.03 | abrotman | dpon |
| 14:38.13 | abrotman | don't forget to aptitude update after you change the sources |
| 14:38.47 | Endres | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/ErtLtRx1 |
| 14:38.53 | Endres | should I continue? |
| 14:39.03 | sternocera | Fixed it to use lenny, thanks. |
| 14:39.14 | abrotman | Endres: uh . no |
| 14:39.23 | Endres | ;) It is a root server... |
| 14:39.30 | abrotman | Endres: a root server? |
| 14:39.41 | Endres | yeah |
| 14:39.48 | abrotman | like .. a DNS . server? |
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| 14:40.29 | Endres | abrotman: nah, it is a real machine somewhere in a data center |
| 14:40.37 | abrotman | how is that a 'root' server? |
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| 14:41.23 | abrotman | Endres: can the server be rebooted ? |
| 14:41.25 | Endres | it is often called "rootserver" when ordering these servers |
| 14:41.28 | dtcrshr | is there a freenx channel? the #freenx is empty... i need to install it on debian 64 squeeze but the repos are offline |
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| 14:41.44 | abrotman | Endres: must be sometihng lost in translation |
| 14:41.55 | Endres | yeah, we can restart it safely |
| 14:41.58 | abrotman | dtcrshr: #nx ? |
| 14:42.05 | abrotman | Endres: shutdown -rF |
| 14:42.12 | dtcrshr | thanks abrotman |
| 14:42.24 | Endres | okay |
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| 14:45.02 | Endres | abrotman: does fsck then log the output somewhere? |
| 14:45.15 | abrotman | not that way it doesn't |
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| 14:45.46 | Endres | hm... but how could we then get some diagnosis? ;) |
| 14:46.25 | abrotman | from your serially attached terminal? |
| 14:46.43 | Endres | should ask him XD |
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| 14:47.53 | dsdeiz | hey! anyone using mpdscribble? where should the configs be? ~/.mpdscribble/mpdscribble.conf? :/ i'm trying to start it using /etc/init.d/mpdscribble start but it seems to not start |
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| 14:48.24 | dsdeiz | ..but when i simply use "mpdscribble" it seems to work just fine |
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| 14:53.25 | kurohyou | Hi, i just bought 2 wd20ears green drives extended format, what are the steps i have to take to use these as datadrives in my debian squeeze install |
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| 14:54.36 | cast | you could just set that up afterwards |
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| 14:55.26 | babilen | dsdeiz: I would check the README.Debian* of that package and look for a global configuration file in /etc -- What error do you get when you try to start the service? |
| 14:56.57 | dkr | hrm. any idea why updatedeb/locate don't index a dir mounted from san via iscsi. shouldn't it look like a normal ext3 fs and not be skipped |
| 14:57.04 | dsdeiz | babilen: i checked /var/log/daemon and got this "mpdscribble: [last.fm] handshake failed (FAILED Invalid/Missing Parameter(s))" |
| 14:57.54 | babilen | dsdeiz: Looks as if you have to set your username somewhere -- Do you actually want to run this as a system wide daemon or is it rather specific to a single user? |
| 14:58.02 | babilen | ,info mpdscribble |
| 14:58.04 | judd | Package mpdscribble (sound, optional) in squeeze/i386: Last.fm reporting client for mpd. Version: 0.19-2; Size: 32.9k; Installed: 164k; Homepage: http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Client:Mpdscribble |
| 14:58.24 | dsdeiz | babilen: it's for single user |
| 14:58.27 | abrotman | dkr: updatedb? it excludes certain filesystems IIRC, i'd imagine remotes are part of the excludes |
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| 14:59.27 | dsdeiz | i guess modifying theh system wide setting won't hurt.. i wanted it to be specific to a single user though.. :D |
| 14:59.40 | dsdeiz | README.debian doesn't seem to exist in mpdscribble |
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| 15:01.02 | dkr | abrotman: yeah. it excludes nfs, but I thought since the mounted device for the san is /dev/sda1 it would look like a local ext3 fs. |
| 15:01.02 | twobitsprite | I'm running a dual monitor setup right now, but the aspect ratio on the two monitors is slightly different, so in a twinview configuration, my mouse goes pretty far off the top of the second screen |
| 15:01.05 | babilen | dsdeiz: Yeah -- Take a look at the manpage. I would guess you have to edit /etc/mpdscribble.conf and add your username/password in the [last.fm] section -- But you could just as well run this as your user, as multiple user accounts are not handled anyway |
| 15:01.18 | twobitsprite | is there any way to stop the mouse at the visual top of the screen? |
| 15:01.53 | Rziz | Hm, xdm's Xsession not sourcing /etc/profile only seems part of the problem, as /etc/default/locale isn't sourced in /etc/profile.d as I presumed. Anyone knows what actually determines LANG for any login shell? |
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| 15:02.07 | dkr | twobitsprite: place a cat on top. :p |
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| 15:03.00 | twobitsprite | dkr: har har har :P |
| 15:03.11 | Rziz | gdm3 seems to source /etc/default/locale in it's init script, ol |
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| 15:04.54 | Rziz | Ah right, I just found out it's pam related ;z |
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| 15:05.44 | dsdeiz | awesome, i'm scrobbling :D |
| 15:06.05 | z0mbyk1d | anyone running gnome 3? |
| 15:06.17 | Rziz | I wonder what would be the most elegant solution for xdm though? Just source /etc/default/locale in /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession or mess with pam somehow? |
| 15:06.27 | babilen | dsdeiz: wonderful :) |
| 15:06.43 | Shadur | ... Goddammit, did udev break again? |
| 15:06.45 | babilen | z0mbyk1d: I would be surprised if not |
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| 15:07.52 | matias | Hello |
| 15:07.57 | z0mbyk1d | babilen: well I ask because it is so new |
| 15:08.04 | z0mbyk1d | and afaik, not included in debian |
| 15:08.49 | twobitsprite | ,versions gnome |
| 15:08.50 | judd | Package gnome on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:2.30+7; sid: 1:2.30+8 |
| 15:09.26 | babilen | z0mbyk1d: A lot of work has already been done on the gnome3 packaging. You can check the progress on http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html |
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| 15:09.36 | twobitsprite | z0mbyk1d: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/gnome/gnome3-session |
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| 15:11.17 | Endres | abrotman: we now restarted successfully and there is no difference anymore... is fsck autocorrecting everything? |
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| 15:11.52 | babilen | z0mbyk1d: I wouldn't install that (and its dependencies) -- "once you upgraded to GNOME 3 it will be next to impossible to go back to GNOME 2.32" |
| 15:12.11 | Rziz | Why is no pam file for xdm included anyway? |
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| 15:13.42 | matias | u.u |
| 15:14.03 | abrotman | Endres: could have been any number of things |
| 15:14.18 | dsdeiz | .xsession-errors file is just like a log file right? is it ok to clear it? :/ |
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| 15:14.43 | matias | I have the plugin Adobe Shockwave Player on Iceweasel but I still can |
| 15:14.47 | matias | can't see them * |
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| 15:14.53 | Endres | okay... I think for now the problem is solved, eventhough we don't exactly know if it's only temporarily... Thank you very much so far, abrotman. |
| 15:15.09 | matias | I can't understand why u.u |
| 15:15.13 | abrotman | Endres: it could have been an open file, or something like that |
| 15:15.19 | Endres | yep |
| 15:15.26 | Endres | Thanks |
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| 15:16.53 | g_ | I can't upload files, can't post topic or reply in forums, but I can download files quite normally |
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| 15:17.17 | g_ | any body help me? |
| 15:17.19 | ciphergoth | OK I'm trying to move a Debian "etch" system that used to be virtualized using "vserver" into a VMWare container, as a prelude to upgrading it to "lenny" and then "squeeze" |
| 15:17.26 | babilen | matias: How did you install it? Can you see it in "about:plugins" ? |
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| 15:17.59 | matias | yes, I can |
| 15:17.59 | ciphergoth | because it's "etch", it only has LILO and GRUB 1, so I'm trying to make it boot using GRUB 1 |
| 15:18.11 | matias | but it's not working for example: http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/ |
| 15:18.17 | matias | (the flashplayer does work in fact) |
| 15:18.25 | ciphergoth | so I've booted off a live CD, copied all the files over, bind-mounted proc and dev, and chrooted into it |
| 15:18.39 | matias | this one works: http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ |
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| 15:18.55 | babilen | matias: So, what is the problem? |
| 15:19.08 | ciphergoth | but now when I try to run "grub-install /dev/sda1" I get the error "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" |
| 15:19.11 | babilen | matias: Also: How did you install the flash plugin? |
| 15:19.15 | matias | babilen, well, that http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/ doesn't work |
| 15:19.48 | ciphergoth | That file exists and is a normal file. Any ideas? |
| 15:19.48 | g_ | any one help me? |
| 15:19.49 | babilen | matias: Doesn't work here as well. Is it important that this particular site works? |
| 15:19.49 | matias | the flash plugin is working, what isn't working is shockwave player (I guess they're different) |
| 15:20.21 | ciphergoth | g_: no-one knows what you're talking about - it sounds a bit like some problem with some website |
| 15:20.38 | matias | yes, because I wanted to use an application that seems to be written using this technology |
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| 15:21.32 | matias | I mean, I want to use a webpage that use adobe shockwave player, in other words |
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| 15:21.36 | matias | uses* |
| 15:21.49 | ciphergoth | g_: don't PM me |
| 15:21.56 | z0mbyk1d | how do you guys get around the no non-free code thing? i.e. for wireless drivers |
| 15:22.04 | g_ | ok ciphergoth |
| 15:22.05 | z0mbyk1d | i remember seeing a blog post with a link to a dpkg |
| 15:22.14 | z0mbyk1d | that contained the firmware shit |
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| 15:22.45 | ciphergoth | g_: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 15:23.42 | babilen | matias: Hmm, I am not that well versed in Adobe technologies. No idea what is needed to get that working on Linux. I never had the problem you experience. |
| 15:24.01 | matias | don't worry, thank you |
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| 15:26.27 | Seb | z0mbyk1d: apt-get install firmware-nonfree or something ? |
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| 15:26.48 | Seb | firmware-linux-nonfree* |
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| 15:28.23 | cesurasean | how do i install firmware-linux-free on lenny? |
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| 15:29.43 | gauge | hey all. I upgraded to Squeeze, and X11 is broken. What should I run to reconfigure? |
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| 15:30.33 | revolve | Can someone lend me a hand with permissions on a mounted fs? |
| 15:30.48 | dmi3on_ | were do i specify guest folder on vsftpd ? |
| 15:30.50 | cast | permissions on an unmounted fs are much more interesting to fix |
| 15:30.55 | revolve | using the gui dialog box, in lenny, default kernel |
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| 15:31.14 | revolve | cast: trying to set them for samba :P |
| 15:31.29 | cesurasean | W: GPG error: http://backports.debian.org squeeze-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
| 15:31.31 | cesurasean | how do i fix this? |
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| 15:33.11 | Jarvis | cesurasean: install debian-backports-keyring |
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| 15:34.38 | Jarvis | cesurasean: actually it may be debian-keyring now |
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| 15:36.08 | cesurasean | Jarvis, thx |
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| 15:40.37 | stevieman | How do I restart gdm3? |
| 15:41.17 | acemi | /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart |
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| 15:41.56 | cesurasean | Jarvis, when i install debian-keyring, it's giving me "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)" |
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| 15:43.28 | Jarvis | cesurasean: hmm odd , thats via apt-get install debian-keyring ? |
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| 15:43.47 | tabakhase | hm im to lame... getting "values of a and b" from "blabla -a=foo -b=bar" seems to be impossible.. |
| 15:43.48 | cesurasean | yes |
| 15:44.01 | babilen | cesurasean: And fwiw -- You want "debian-archive-keyring" don't you? |
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| 15:44.31 | cesurasean | babilen, same error code |
| 15:44.34 | cesurasean | won't install |
| 15:44.39 | babilen | !bat |
| 15:44.39 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 15:47.16 | cesurasean | How would I run this command on boot? "insmod 8139cp.ko then insmod 8139too.ko", what would be the easiest way? |
| 15:47.22 | cesurasean | adding something to init.d? |
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| 15:48.32 | cahoot | why use insmod? |
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| 15:48.36 | mp7r33 | hi, anyone knows how to save iptable set of rules so that the same rules are loaded during boot? |
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| 15:49.52 | Bushmills | mp7r33: execute a script, which loads them, from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:50.17 | Bushmills | (probably preferable over iptables-save and iptables-restore) |
| 15:50.30 | mp7r33 | tried iptables-save |
| 15:50.52 | mp7r33 | but the routing does not seem to load on boot |
| 15:51.00 | mp7r33 | i'm trying to do iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o venet0 -j SNAT --to IP btw |
| 15:51.26 | Bushmills | ipotables-save and -restore is more tedious for editing rules |
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| 15:52.18 | Bushmills | with executing a script, what you need to add is what you just type here as what you want to do |
| 15:52.23 | Bushmills | typed |
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| 15:53.12 | cesurasean | any clue why i can't get the debian backports keyring installed? |
| 15:53.22 | cesurasean | is there a manual way of installing the keyring without apt-get? |
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| 15:53.43 | babilen | cesurasean: Please read what dpkg said above -- I am still waiting for that paste |
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| 16:00.12 | cesurasean | how do i do rc update ? |
| 16:00.22 | cesurasean | or place a init script into every runtime? |
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| 16:00.52 | babilen | cesurasean: What do you mean and what are you trying to achieve? You are also quite stubborn in not showing us the paste, aren't you? |
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| 16:01.10 | Jarvis | cesurasean: you mean so it installs stable updates itself ? |
| 16:01.11 | babilen | cesurasean: Can I take from that that you managed to solve the installation problem on your own? |
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| 16:01.20 | Jarvis | if so: unattended-upgrades |
| 16:01.38 | Jarvis | it'll do it at scheduled intervals |
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| 16:02.30 | cesurasean | no |
| 16:02.37 | cesurasean | i need to run update-rc.d on a file called ethernet |
| 16:02.54 | cesurasean | how do i do that, so that the file /etc/init.d/ethernet is placed into every run time directory? |
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| 16:03.11 | Jarvis | err |
| 16:03.24 | cesurasean | update-rc.d ethernet? |
| 16:03.39 | Jarvis | dare i even ask whats in that file :p |
| 16:03.46 | cesurasean | nope |
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| 16:04.02 | cesurasean | lol |
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| 16:04.35 | Jarvis | gets a tad worried when people put an init script called ethernet in all runlevels, what are you attempting to do ? |
| 16:04.55 | cesurasean | Jarvis i need to run the script at the correct runtime to enable ethernet drivers |
| 16:05.06 | cesurasean | can you tell me how to place it in every runtime? |
| 16:05.10 | cesurasean | or at least at level 3? |
| 16:05.10 | babilen | cesurasean: What are you doing? What is that file? What do you mean by "placed into every run time directory" ? What are you trying to achieve? AND: Why don't you paste something if you want our help? |
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| 16:05.35 | cesurasean | im trying to run a script called ethernet on boot to enable ethernet. when i run manually it works, when i reboot it does not load on boot... |
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| 16:05.57 | Jarvis | cesurasean: where have u told it to load it on boot ... /etc/modules? |
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| 16:06.07 | cesurasean | Jarvis /etc/init.d |
| 16:06.56 | babilen | cesurasean: Why do you need to run a special hand-written script to enable ethernet? What does the script do? (SHOW US!) |
| 16:07.07 | babilen | cesurasean: Did you fixed the package installation problem? |
| 16:07.11 | babilen | *fix |
| 16:07.18 | cesurasean | babilen, it enables ethernet. i can't share it either, since it's not open source driver.. |
| 16:07.25 | cesurasean | babilen, no, still problem |
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| 16:07.41 | cesurasean | how do i enable a file called ethernet into every runtime level? |
| 16:08.18 | keith4 | after upgrading to squeeze, i don't seem to have a /proc/scsi anymore, and therefore ipssend is useless (and segfaults, actually). am I SOL? |
| 16:08.18 | dutchfish | cesurasean, can you rephrase what you want to achive? |
| 16:08.34 | cesurasean | dutchfish, I want to run /etc/init.d/ethernet in EVERY level of runtime |
| 16:08.57 | thewanderer1 | cesurasean: does the script have an LSB header with runlevels in it? |
| 16:09.16 | cesurasean | no |
| 16:09.27 | Jarvis | cesurasean: if you want to load a kernel driver module at boot, just put the module name into /etc/modules, usually there shouldn't be any need to use a script to do it, and certainly not in init.d |
| 16:09.28 | cesurasean | it's a simple bash script calling 1 command |
| 16:09.53 | dutchfish | cesurasean, http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
| 16:10.10 | cesurasean | no one can answer my question without giving me a silly answer? |
| 16:10.11 | babilen | cesurasean: "update-rc.d ethernet defaults" doesn't do what you want? And why on earth do you need a special script? Which hardware is this and what are you doing in that script? |
| 16:10.21 | jeff_hann | cesurasean, a script containing 'rm -rf .usr' is also a one-liner |
| 16:10.23 | thewanderer1 | cesurasean: the script needs to have a proper header, and then you can set it to run at boot. without LSB headers, update-rc.d will not work |
| 16:10.28 | jeff_hann | */usr |
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| 16:12.04 | cesurasean | babilen, thank you |
| 16:12.06 | cesurasean | its working now |
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| 16:12.30 | thewanderer1 | wow, I didn't know you could do that without headers :D |
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| 16:12.53 | babilen | cesurasean: Ok, whatever ... No idea what you are doing and why you think that the way you are doing it is a good idea, but meh ... |
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| 16:13.27 | keith4 | babilen: give him as much rope as he needs... ;-) |
| 16:13.47 | dsdeiz | heya! is it ok to clear the .xsession-errors file? |
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| 16:15.08 | babilen | dsdeiz: sure |
| 16:15.25 | joe6 | can anyone please help me with the sound on debian with intel chipset. The max volume sound is too low. The system settings are : http://pastebin.com/p4w5FcHr , last part of dmesg output is : http://pastebin.com/LHdCKbEd |
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| 16:16.29 | dsdeiz | cool, thanks! is there a way so that it doesn't get bigger and bigger aside from fixing the error messages written on that file? hehe |
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| 16:17.13 | joe6 | sndstat output is : http://pastebin.com/B0TUBi1r |
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| 16:17.52 | z0mbyk1d | hey, what do I have to do after adding a .MIB file to /usr/share/snmp/mibs ? I cannot snmpget the property name :{ |
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| 16:19.57 | keith4 | z0mbyk1d: squeeze? change /etc/default/snmpd to load some MIBS |
| 16:20.15 | z0mbyk1d | not squeeze but in general |
| 16:20.21 | keith4 | restart snmpd |
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| 16:20.36 | z0mbyk1d | oh wait |
| 16:20.43 | z0mbyk1d | mibs are used only for the server side of snmp? |
| 16:20.53 | z0mbyk1d | i am just looking to query by name not oid |
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| 16:21.38 | keith4 | z0mbyk1d: oh oh. sorry. misunderstood your question |
| 16:21.55 | joe6 | or, should I upgrade my kernel package to unstable linux-image-2.6.38-2-686 from |
| 16:21.58 | joe6 | uname -a |
| 16:22.00 | joe6 | Linux firefox 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Tue Mar 8 21:36:00 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:22.05 | cahoot | joe6: tried alsamixer for changing the outputlevel? |
| 16:22.07 | joe6 | i am on debian testing |
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| 16:23.26 | jhutchins_lt | joe6: Do you have pulseaudio? |
| 16:23.29 | joe6 | jhutchines_lt, hoping that the latest kernel might be beteter as this seems to have cropped up around 2007 |
| 16:23.33 | mila | Hey all :)) Can any1 tell me where can i find list of compatible games for Linux for exapmle like GTA, or similar hight budget games,? |
| 16:23.40 | joe6 | jhutchines_lt, nope, what is pulseaudio? |
| 16:23.47 | joe6 | jhutchines_lt, nope (i think), what is pulseaudio? |
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| 16:24.04 | matias | I guess the problem I have is that I can't see some swf files but I have the player needed to do so installed. what should I do? |
| 16:24.08 | z0mbyk1d | keith4: hmm |
| 16:24.10 | jhutchins_lt | joe6: A tool to solve problems most people don't have that breaks more systems than it fixes. |
| 16:24.14 | z0mbyk1d | the path is included by default |
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| 16:24.16 | matias | I tried with Firefox and Opera, I'm missing something |
| 16:24.19 | z0mbyk1d | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.25 | jhutchins_lt | joe6: Installed by default in recent linux releases. |
| 16:24.25 | keith4 | mila: try google |
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| 16:24.36 | joe6 | jhutchines_lt, which pulseaudio |
| 16:24.37 | joe6 | pulseaudio not found |
| 16:24.43 | keith4 | ha |
| 16:24.53 | jhutchins_lt | joe6: Check with dpkg -l pulse* |
| 16:24.59 | keith4 | joe6: it's an audio framework, not a binary |
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| 16:25.34 | mila | @keitch4 was but there are all rubish games, nothing particulary |
| 16:25.41 | joe6 | jhutchines_lt, looks like it might be installed : http://pastebin.com/k0i88ABk |
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| 16:26.10 | keith4 | mila: try ##linux, unless you have a debian question |
| 16:26.13 | joe6 | keith4, ok, thanks |
| 16:26.29 | imganquan | hi all. I have a toy program, it will print some thing out. I want to track the system calls in the toy program and save the output to a file. I use [strace ./toy > log], but the log file got the output of toy, not strace. who can tell how to save the output of strace. thanks. I know this is not a debian question, but i don't know where to ask this. |
| 16:26.33 | joe6 | how do i get rid of all these pulseaudio packages? |
| 16:26.49 | mila | ty all |
| 16:26.52 | keith4 | imganquan: 2>&1 |
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| 16:27.08 | keith4 | z0mbyk1d: -m, not -M |
| 16:27.18 | keith4 | as a shortcut, you can try "-m ALL" |
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| 16:28.09 | joe6 | can I just "apt-get remove --purge gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio libpulse-browse0 libpulse-dev libpulse-mainloop-glib0 libpulse0 vlc-plugin-pulse" |
| 16:28.12 | babilen | imganquan: And please don't cross-post :) |
| 16:28.21 | joe6 | or, will it break something else? |
| 16:28.42 | joe6 | or, is there a better way of removing all the pulseaudio stuff? |
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| 16:29.24 | z0mbyk1d | keith4: same deal though |
| 16:29.25 | joe6 | jhutchines_lt, any thoughts, please? |
| 16:29.28 | z0mbyk1d | the mibs are in the default path |
| 16:29.34 | cahoot | joe6: see if pulse even is loaded: might try fuser -v /dev/snd/* |
| 16:29.43 | keith4 | z0mbyk1d: then your problem is not mib-related |
| 16:29.43 | ola | imganquan: try 'strace -o filename', from the strace man page |
| 16:30.11 | joe6 | fuser -v /dev/snd/* USER PID ACCESS COMMAND |
| 16:30.11 | joe6 | /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p: joe 2564 F...m firefox-bin |
| 16:30.11 | joe6 | /dev/snd/timer: joe 2564 f.... firefox-bin |
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| 16:30.19 | imganquan | ola: thank you. I got it now. thank you. |
| 16:30.34 | z0mbyk1d | ahh got it |
| 16:30.37 | joe6 | cahoot, does that make sense? |
| 16:30.42 | z0mbyk1d | keith4: needed to add .0 to the end of the parameter ;) |
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| 16:31.09 | joe6 | cahoot, so, i guess pulseaudio is loaded, correct? |
| 16:31.10 | cahoot | joe6: run it as root too (and don't paste her) |
| 16:31.14 | cahoot | here |
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| 16:31.24 | joe6 | cahoot, yes, I ran it as root |
| 16:31.34 | cahoot | ok no sign of pulse there |
| 16:31.37 | operhiem1 | Does anyone have experience with apt-cacher-ng? When I try to request things through it I get 404s. |
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| 16:31.51 | jhutchins_lt | joe6: I recommend using aptitude instead of apt-get, it's a little better at tracking dependencies. It should offer to remove anything that removing those files would break. |
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| 16:32.05 | keith4 | z0mbyk1d: that's why it's helpful to start with snmpwalk, not snmpget |
| 16:32.17 | joe6 | jhutchines_lt, so, you would recommend removing all those packages? |
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| 16:32.32 | joe6 | jhutchines_lt, i thought aptitude was a ubuntu thing? |
| 16:32.36 | keith4 | operhiem1: check the apache error log |
| 16:32.37 | stevieman | in Gnome if I install a wine program as root where does it get installed? |
| 16:32.44 | mick_laptop | anyone know how to do a union mount? i have a squashfs fs that I'd like to modify, I have it mounted as a ro loopback at the moment |
| 16:32.47 | jhutchins_lt | joe6: Would you try dpkg -l pulse* first though? It should show pulseaudio as either installed or uninstalled. |
| 16:32.47 | joe6 | and apt-get , the debian way. |
| 16:32.49 | mick_laptop | i'd like to make it rw |
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| 16:33.03 | operhiem1 | keith4: I don't think apt-cache-ng uses apache. I'll check for logs anyway. |
| 16:33.08 | keith4 | !aptitude |
| 16:33.08 | dpkg | methinks aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude docs> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
| 16:33.13 | ZykoticK9 | stevieman, installing wine apps as root might not be the best idea, but check in /root/.wine i'd guess |
| 16:33.13 | keith4 | joe6: ^ |
| 16:34.03 | keith4 | operhiem1: it has to use something. maybe squid. |
| 16:34.14 | mick_laptop | i'm doing some work on a custom iso (I'd like to make it a kiosk machine that only boots from usb and can only connect to some machines) |
| 16:34.19 | joe6 | jhutchines_lt, dpkg -l pulse* is not working correctly for me. I think the shell (zsh) is hijacking the pulse* |
| 16:34.35 | stevieman | ZykoticK9: yep, as soon as I asked I remembered it was .wine and not /wine. Is there a better way to have a single install of a program show up for multiple users? |
| 16:34.47 | joe6 | so, do you use aptitude and not apt-get? |
| 16:35.07 | ZykoticK9 | stevieman, not that i'm aware of... good luck |
| 16:35.17 | keith4 | operhiem1: maybe i'm confusing apt-cache and apt-cacher-ng... |
| 16:35.46 | operhiem1 | keith4: Yes, I think so. I checked the error logs and the only thing it mentions are partial responses from one of the repos. Nothing about 404s. |
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| 16:36.26 | stevieman | ZykoticK9: Thanks, I'm going to have to change the permission seeing as the user cannot run the program as only root has permission |
| 16:36.28 | mick_laptop | i'm reading the squashfs-howto and i'm a bit lost :-/ |
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| 16:36.58 | joe6 | there seem to be way too many dependencies to removing the pulseaudio packages: http://pastebin.com/UqiSXrSj |
| 16:37.07 | joe6 | jhutchines_lt, any thoughts, please? |
| 16:38.43 | operhiem1 | Here's the output when I run apt-get update: http://pastebin.com/A50d481j |
| 16:38.47 | joe6 | anyway, removing those packages |
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| 16:40.53 | ZykoticK9 | stevieman, you could possibly move the .wine directory to /opt perhaps? probably better then changing permission in /root |
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| 16:42.20 | keith4 | operhiem1: so one of the mirror is out of date. not an apt-cacher-ng problem, nor a debian problem |
| 16:42.21 | stevieman | ZykoticK9: That might be a good alternative. I changed the permissions for the application folder in .wine but I still cannot launch the program |
| 16:42.52 | ZykoticK9 | stevieman, i'm not overly surprised if it's in /root |
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| 16:43.29 | foofoobar_ | Hi |
| 16:43.40 | foofoobar_ | mail: command not found. how to install it (in which package is it located?) |
| 16:43.57 | joe6 | exim? |
| 16:44.04 | joe6 | apt-file list exim? |
| 16:44.15 | stevieman | ZykoticK9: well installing it as root didn't work, I've got the old pre-root install of the program |
| 16:44.34 | keith4 | foofoobar_: depends on your MTA. you might want bsd-mailx, for example |
| 16:44.35 | stevieman | ZykoticK9: listed in my menu (the one I uninstalled) |
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| 16:45.49 | houms | Good day all, I wanted to get peoples opinions on xserver security as it relates to this article |
| 16:45.53 | houms | http://www.google.com/m/url?client=ms-android-verizon&ei=svW2TZiVIIKdlAf_yr2FAQ&gl=us&hl=en&q=http://theinvisiblethings.blogspot.com/2011/04/linux-security-circus-on-gui-isolation.html&source=android-browser-type&ved=0CBYQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNHoMUhHvNx6hubM5ehZefW6rtzk2A |
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| 16:47.28 | houms | Any one have any thoughts or things that can be done to prevent? |
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| 16:48.21 | conradsteink | hi all! i am looking for a Linux LiveCD that comes with a running ssh daemon. I need it because i want to do a backup of a server and it has not monitor. What do you think? |
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| 16:48.56 | houms | Why not use remastersys to create your own |
| 16:49.48 | conradsteink | never heard about it before. Googling ... |
| 16:50.26 | houms | Basically install debian the way you like and then create remastersys ISO |
| 16:50.33 | houms | There is your livecd |
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| 16:52.17 | jhutchins_lt | joe6: sorry, you're mis-spelling my nic and it's not highlighting. I do have other things I'm doing. |
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| 16:52.41 | jhutchins_lt | joe6: Yes, I use aptitude, but I don't think you have pulseaudio installed so I don't think it's your problem. |
| 16:52.58 | jhutchins_lt | joe6: You could try dpkg -l "pulse*" |
| 16:53.17 | joe6 | jhutchins_lt, ok, thanks. |
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| 16:54.43 | foofoobar_ | something wrong with this script: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/378519/ ? I get the error: [: 79: 0: unexpected operator (line 79 is the eof) |
| 16:54.47 | conradsteink | houms: sincerely, i think it could be a good option in the future, but now i am looking for something that is ready to use. I think it must give a distro with such feature |
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| 16:55.17 | conradsteink | :) |
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| 16:57.45 | joe6 | should I be worried about this: http://pastebin.com/tBhYKxLH virtualbox-ose-guest (3.2.10)...failed. |
| 17:00.21 | abrotman | only if you want that kernel module? |
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| 17:02.47 | joe6 | abrotman, i think not. thanks |
| 17:03.22 | joe6 | i am getting this grub error: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no such disk. |
| 17:03.40 | joe6 | http://pastebin.com/VGJ7sYGm |
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| 17:04.01 | joe6 | i just ran aptitude upgrade and it starts complaining about this grub error |
| 17:04.19 | joe6 | i have an raid-1 array and I installed grub to both sda and sdb |
| 17:04.28 | joe6 | when, I was setting things up |
| 17:04.40 | joe6 | is this a linux question or a debian question? |
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| 17:05.07 | joe6 | this is the final error message from aptitude: http://pastebin.com/Ma1qek0h |
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| 17:06.25 | WarrenChild | joe6 what are you trying to do? |
| 17:07.01 | joe6 | WarrenChild, i just ran "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade", hoping that such an upgrade would fix some sound issues that I was having. |
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| 17:07.15 | WarrenChild | what is the main issue you were having? |
| 17:07.48 | joe6 | WarrenChild, as part of the upgrade, apt-get upgraded the kernel and now, it cannot update the grub with the new kernel settings. |
| 17:08.01 | joe6 | WarrenChild, my main issue was that the sound was too low. |
| 17:08.14 | joe6 | WarrenChild, now, I think the system will be unbootable if I reboot. |
| 17:08.27 | friese | hmm |
| 17:08.36 | joe6 | WarrenChild, as the grub is out-of-sync with the kernel installed ( i think) |
| 17:08.54 | friese | you have grub2 oder the old grub? |
| 17:09.02 | WarrenChild | joe6: there is a bootable grub CD you can download it is like 60 megs that will boot your system even if grub is not working, let me find the link for you. it can boot any OS without a boot loader good to have |
| 17:09.20 | joe6 | this is what I have: grub-install (GRUB) 1.99~rc1-13 |
| 17:09.29 | friese | ok, the new one :) |
| 17:09.36 | friese | i always switch back to the old one :) |
| 17:09.47 | friese | what kernels do u have in /boot>? |
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| 17:10.01 | friese | normaly, apt doesnt delete old kernels, so you should have your new and your old kernels there |
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| 17:10.48 | joe6 | this is my main problem, at the moment: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no such disk. |
| 17:10.52 | WarrenChild | joe6: http://www.bootproblems.com/ is the site you will find the super grub disk |
| 17:11.05 | WarrenChild | it is actually 2 megs |
| 17:11.23 | joe6 | friese, http://pastebin.com/P8q0NJ0U |
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| 17:11.37 | joe6 | friese, yes, I have the old and new kernels in there. |
| 17:12.02 | joe6 | i had the same issue when setting up the raid-one array. |
| 17:12.17 | joe6 | I used dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc to fix the issue then. |
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| 17:13.18 | WarrenChild | joe6: I am going to be honest though, when upgrading it is the most efficient to back up your data and do a fresh install. also causes less headachs |
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| 17:13.32 | DammitJim | +1 WarrenChild |
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| 17:14.16 | joe6 | WarrenChild, your suggestion cannot be followed by me now. It was a lot of effort to get the raid-one array working and I cannot do a fresh install for every "aptitude upgrade" |
| 17:14.26 | friese | sry, was afk |
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| 17:15.30 | friese | so, what does your /boot/grub/grub.cfg list? |
| 17:15.50 | WarrenChild | joe6: stick to the older versions then until you absolutely have to upgrade. That is what I would do anyways, good thing Debian does not upgrade kernels very often. |
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| 17:16.15 | friese | hmm |
| 17:16.28 | joe6 | this is where i am : http://pastebin.com/GpGDRULV |
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| 17:17.13 | joe6 | dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc |
| 17:17.13 | joe6 | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: grub-pc is broken or not fully installed |
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| 17:17.38 | joe6 | if I can have aptitude install grub-pc, then I can the reconfigure working and everything should be alright then. |
| 17:17.45 | joe6 | any suggestions, please? |
| 17:18.29 | abrotman | joe6: dpkg --configure -a |
| 17:18.48 | joe6 | friese, grub.cfg lists the old kernel |
| 17:18.54 | friese | ok |
| 17:19.04 | friese | ah |
| 17:19.21 | friese | here comes the point where i dont know much about that new grub-thingie |
| 17:19.30 | friese | maybe someone else should help you :) |
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| 17:19.47 | joe6 | abrotman, this is what it says: http://pastebin.com/Rs5L4c4n |
| 17:19.58 | friese | its not wise to edit that file manually, there are some tools and other files for doing that... |
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| 17:20.14 | WarrenChild | joe6: have you tried the command aptitude -f install? |
| 17:20.27 | WarrenChild | it is a command to fix broken packages |
| 17:20.47 | joe6 | WarrenChild, nope, doing it now. |
| 17:20.50 | WarrenChild | or apt-get -f install |
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| 17:21.04 | abrotman | WarrenChild: that's what i just gave him essentially, but lower level |
| 17:21.18 | abrotman | it's not an apt problem at this point |
| 17:21.27 | WarrenChild | abrotman: nice I did not see your sugestion |
| 17:21.45 | WarrenChild | I am going to ahve to write that one down |
| 17:22.04 | joe6 | WarrenChild, this is what it says now: http://pastebin.com/k9cL5y7w |
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| 17:23.03 | abrotman | he's going to have to fix that virtual-box mess |
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| 17:23.45 | WarrenChild | joe6: did you try abrotman's sugestion running comman; dpkg --configure -a |
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| 17:24.05 | superlinux | hi. i want to build the wizardpen driver. when i type make i get this: libtool: Version mismatch error. This is libtool 2.2.6 Debian-2.2.6a-4, but the libtool: definition of this LT_INIT comes from libtool 2.2.6b. libtool: You should recreate aclocal.m4 with macros from libtool 2.2.6 Debian-2.2.6a-4 ibtool: and run autoconf again. |
| 17:24.08 | abrotman | yes .. he also gave us the output .. try to follow along |
| 17:24.17 | superlinux | what should I do? |
| 17:24.24 | martianlobster | how can I tell which port a udp server is broadcasting on? when I do netstat -pantu, I get different numbers everytime I restart it. 0.0.0.0:32923 for the local address now. it was 0.0.0.0:51738 previously |
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| 17:24.37 | martianlobster | am I reading netstat incorrectly? |
| 17:24.39 | z0mbyk1d | martianlobster == Zoidberg? |
| 17:24.59 | martianlobster | I am not Zoidberg, don't know him |
| 17:25.12 | z0mbyk1d | lol, OK |
| 17:25.22 | martianlobster | :P) |
| 17:25.53 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
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| 17:27.31 | joe6 | can I change the /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig so that it does not executed the grub-probe command? this is where I am now: http://pastebin.com/T55Vvicy |
| 17:27.37 | operhiem1 | keith4: Looks like it. I disabled redirection and it seems to be working now. |
| 17:27.38 | keith4 | martianlobster: what's your *real* question? |
| 17:27.41 | joe6 | abrotman, any thoughts, please? |
| 17:28.04 | martianlobster | well maybe I don't know what I am talking about |
| 17:28.07 | martianlobster | if I have a server |
| 17:28.19 | martianlobster | that has a pub sub kind of protocol |
| 17:28.27 | martianlobster | sits waiting for clients to subscribe to a broadcast |
| 17:28.31 | joe6 | abrotman, i just kept repeating that "dpkg --configure -a" and the virtualbox stuff disappeared. |
| 17:28.36 | abrotman | joe6: i said above .. the dkms with virtual box has to be resolved |
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| 17:28.39 | abrotman | disappeard? |
| 17:28.47 | martianlobster | isn't it supposed to listen on a port? and aren't I supposed to be albe to see that port with netstat? |
| 17:28.58 | abrotman | martianlobster: it can be a random port with magic! |
| 17:29.10 | keith4 | martianlobster: google "x y problem" ;-) |
| 17:29.21 | joe6 | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/3xPiqnZL , now, the error is just with the grub-pc package. |
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| 17:30.02 | DammitJim | how do I find out if a process is hung? |
| 17:30.17 | jhutchins_lt | DammitJim: top? ps ax? |
| 17:30.30 | WarrenChild | joe6: is it possible to blow out virtualbox then try again? as abrotman stated that seems to be the issue |
| 17:30.33 | DammitJim | what will that say? |
| 17:30.39 | DammitJim | z for zombie or something? |
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| 17:31.29 | martianlobster | abrotman: so how does the client software know what port to send its request to? Doesn't it need to know ? How is the server able to differentiate between one UDP pub / sub server, and another? |
| 17:31.40 | joe6 | can I change the grub configuration script to remove the grub-probe command? |
| 17:31.45 | joe6 | http://pastebin.com/7JdVbz4G |
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| 17:32.33 | Bushmills | Joe6, you can remove package os-prober |
| 17:32.54 | daemonkeeper | martianlobster: The client needs to know the port. Most applications have a standardized port where to connect to by default, usually you can override this selection by explicitly denoting a port number in your client application |
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| 17:34.15 | martianlobster | daemonkeeper: How can I see the list of ports which are listening for client connections? I thought netstat -pantu, would give me that information, but it gives me a different local address everytime I restart the server. |
| 17:34.38 | daemonkeeper | netstat -lntp |
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| 17:34.46 | Bushmills | joe6: nm, ignore that. |
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| 17:35.29 | martianlobster | daemonkeeper: thanks! |
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| 17:36.23 | Danic | My crontab is not running, can someone tell me where to start looking for a solution? |
| 17:36.42 | Bushmills | Danic: log files. daemon.log |
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| 17:36.58 | joe6 | the problem is: grub-probe --target=device / = /dev/md0, whereas I have grub installed on /dev/sda |
| 17:37.24 | joe6 | is there someway that I can tell "dpkg --configure -a" to skip the post installation script? |
| 17:37.55 | joe6 | or, maybe, I can try the grub package on unstable? |
| 17:38.24 | Danic | i have a look |
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| 17:39.19 | abrotman | martianlobster: portmap |
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| 17:42.57 | WarrenChild | okay, so I have postfix and dovecot installed and I am trying to get my mail server running up locally. I have a account test and it is able to send a message to itself, and when checking for new messages I get no errors. how ever it will not pull the sent message down from server to the inbox |
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| 17:43.35 | jhutchins_lt | martianlobster: How do you know the server isn't listening on a different port each time you start it? Does it log? Does it have a configuration item to configure the port? Is it a standard service that should be listed in /etc/services? |
| 17:44.08 | martianlobster | jhutchins_lt: I am looking at the output from netstat -pantu. |
| 17:44.08 | keith4 | he must be talking about a UDP RPC service. as abrotman says... "portmap". that would be the previously-mentioned magic. |
| 17:44.25 | martianlobster | jhutchins_lt: this server is a perl script that this guy wrote. I am about to go track him down |
| 17:44.47 | keith4 | martianlobster: why are you so concerned about the UDP ports? |
| 17:44.48 | dfgd | hi all, i copied a bunch of files from a ntfs partition that on my ext3 have 777 permission, so i do find . -type f | xargs chmod 644 but it only works for files that don't contain spaces in their names, for the others with spaces find truncates the filename |
| 17:44.51 | jhutchins_lt | martianlobster: ps3 media server? |
| 17:44.51 | martianlobster | it has no standard configuration file |
| 17:44.51 | dfgd | what can i do |
| 17:45.00 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 17:45.15 | abrotman | martianlobster: portmap portmap portmap! |
| 17:45.31 | martianlobster | keith4: this is a thing for tracking cpu usage, I am about to install it on a network of servers, that is full of udp broadcast, and pub sub type of stuff |
| 17:45.41 | martianlobster | I want to make sure it doesn't screw anything up |
| 17:45.50 | martianlobster | abrotman: I just installed portmap |
| 17:46.02 | robokop | dfgd: man find look at -exec |
| 17:46.45 | martianlobster | I am stepping away, will be back later, ttyl |
| 17:46.48 | robokop | dfgd: find . -type f -exec 'chmod {} ;' or something like that |
| 17:47.01 | joe6 | debian developers, there is a bug with the grub-pc package and a raid-one array. It does not work. |
| 17:47.13 | dfgd | robokop, thanks |
| 17:47.13 | robokop | dfgd: and then with the perms you want |
| 17:47.44 | joe6 | please let me know if you need more details. I am posting the issue to #grub, but am not sure if you might be interested as you might have to update the package. |
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| 17:54.55 | daft | hi, guys are there known bugs that firefox (flash perhaps) pervent kde from shuting down the system? |
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| 17:56.29 | abrotman | firefox or iceweasel? |
| 17:56.37 | abrotman | and flash screws up all sorts of stuff |
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| 17:59.56 | joe6 | i am installing grub from the bzr repository to a debian system. Is there a prefix path that I should be using to confirm with debian package management rules? |
| 18:00.50 | daemonkeeper | Debian installs to /usr |
| 18:01.11 | daemonkeeper | Note Debian has several improvements over the upstream grub package. |
| 18:02.00 | warp0x00 | grub 2 sucks and i hate it |
| 18:02.09 | abrotman | get used to it |
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| 18:02.19 | MrFrood | warp0x00: so use lilo |
| 18:02.30 | warp0x00 | MrFrood, i was this close |
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| 18:02.36 | joe6 | daemonkeeper, maybe, but it does not even install on my machine |
| 18:02.41 | abrotman | i don't think lilo will be around much longer |
| 18:02.47 | joe6 | daemonkeeper, hence, the rebuild from source |
| 18:02.53 | warp0x00 | fine syslinux |
| 18:03.15 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: In many cases it still works better than grub, and it's simpler. |
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| 18:03.26 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: grub or grub2? |
| 18:03.35 | jhutchins_lt | ither |
| 18:04.02 | abrotman | the problem with lilo is that when it breaks, it's a nightmare to fix .. i've had grub go belly up because of things i tried to force it to do .. and i've always been able to get back to the system |
| 18:04.03 | warp0x00 | grub classic worked fine for me in a number of setups that grub2 really does not want to support |
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| 18:04.11 | abrotman | warp0x00: such as? |
| 18:04.23 | abrotman | and did you ask #grub about those scenarios? |
| 18:04.27 | warp0x00 | non-mbr + lvm |
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| 18:04.50 | warp0x00 | raid0 blocklists... |
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| 18:04.55 | warp0x00 | i mean raid1 |
| 18:04.57 | abrotman | and did you ask #grub about those scenarios? |
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| 18:05.19 | warp0x00 | no but i dug through the source and figured out that it just refuses to support them |
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| 18:05.26 | joe6 | the problem is that the grub installer assumes that the device is at / |
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| 18:05.48 | joe6 | for raid-one systems, the / = /dev/md* and the device is at /dev/sda or something |
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| 18:06.09 | joe6 | where the root is on raid. |
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| 18:06.13 | joe6 | i mean |
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| 18:06.49 | rwe45 | IF YOU WERE TO DIE TODAY DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP? GAYS, NIGGERS,JEWS AND FREENODE STAFFERS ARE ALL GOING TO BURN IN HELL. IF YOU'RE ONE OF THESE YOU NEED TO ASK JESUS CHRIST FOR IMMEDIATE FORGIVENESS. rwe45 Commander1024 buharin emrah boxxertrumps jhutchins Seraphin gezgin valium FinnTux bofur t0h rdz_ deepy Gary_ davidrussell preller_ ichilton_ dix_on _apofis XThief Anubisss_ Idlekrieger5 dgm_077 joshteam dondon jahil1 willmore Reiko2 desti T |
| 18:06.50 | rwe45 | IF YOU WERE TO DIE TODAY DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP? GAYS, NIGGERS,JEWS AND FREENODE STAFFERS ARE ALL GOING TO BURN IN HELL. IF YOU'RE ONE OF THESE YOU NEED TO ASK JESUS CHRIST FOR IMMEDIATE FORGIVENESS. sugardrunk tempeldirne sighwort myosound nixoeen heg ICEBreakPoint thunderrd buntfalke HackeMate BladeFreak Sashi A1_ Jippi timahvo1 WarrenChild err404 Ricardo__ Adriaan geekbri kenjy pickett conradsteink linduxed Ergo^ DJ-VISAGE foofoobar nadar_ |
| 18:06.50 | rwe45 | IF YOU WERE TO DIE TODAY DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP? GAYS, NIGGERS,JEWS AND FREENODE STAFFERS ARE ALL GOING TO BURN IN HELL. IF YOU'RE ONE OF THESE YOU NEED TO ASK JESUS CHRIST FOR IMMEDIATE FORGIVENESS. daves_not_here_m zxd bint iter s0d0 ax-ax calisto dashs SQlvpapir lollo64it NoobCoder arvind_khadri anthonywong DimmuR jrib derchris dArK_IcE m4ggus jhutchins_lt gnusosa_ eSa| Guest11025 AimHere vivid apelgate homie Setec_Astronomy casosac kuzew |
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| 18:07.10 | geekbri | well that was constructive |
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| 18:07.51 | willmore | gw:~# apt-get install jesus |
| 18:07.51 | willmore | Reading package lists... Done |
| 18:07.52 | willmore | Building dependency tree |
| 18:07.52 | willmore | Reading state information... Done |
| 18:07.52 | willmore | E: Unable to locate package jesus |
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| 18:07.54 | MrFrood | do you think he was using debian? |
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| 18:08.06 | willmore | Sorry, bot. |
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| 18:08.25 | MrFrood | giggles |
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| 18:08.38 | gnusosa_ | lol at install jesus |
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| 18:08.56 | f45665 | IF YOU WERE TO DIE TODAY DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP? GAYS, NIGGERS,JEWS AND FREENODE STAFFERS ARE ALL GOING TO BURN IN HELL. IF YOU'RE ONE OF THESE YOU NEED TO ASK JESUS CHRIST FOR IMMEDIATE FORGIVENESS. f45665 optraz pingveno1 MissionCritical werdan7 AntiSpamMeta ponyofdeath willmore dougvann comradekingu kian gusnan Commander1024 buharin emrah boxxertrumps jhutchins Seraphin gezgin valium FinnTux bofur t0h rdz_ deepy Gary_ davidrussell preller_ |
| 18:09.00 | abrotman | ha! Jews don't believe in hell .. joke's on him! |
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| 18:09.19 | geekbri | debian users believe in hell, its called windows ME |
| 18:09.19 | bronaugh | E: Unable to locate package |
| 18:09.21 | bronaugh | yay. |
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| 18:09.34 | wqejqb | IF YOU WERE TO DIE TODAY DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP? GAYS, NIGGERS,JEWS AND FREENODE STAFFERS ARE ALL GOING TO BURN IN HELL. IF YOU'RE ONE OF THESE YOU NEED TO ASK JESUS CHRIST FOR IMMEDIATE FORGIVENESS. wqejqb peeq TiEnGo tdn twanny796 spacepup optraz pingveno1 MissionCritical werdan7 AntiSpamMeta ponyofdeath willmore dougvann comradekingu kian gusnan Commander1024 buharin emrah boxxertrumps jhutchins Seraphin gezgin valium FinnTux bofur t0h rd |
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| 18:09.34 | wqejqb | IF YOU WERE TO DIE TODAY DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP? GAYS, NIGGERS,JEWS AND FREENODE STAFFERS ARE ALL GOING TO BURN IN HELL. IF YOU'RE ONE OF THESE YOU NEED TO ASK JESUS CHRIST FOR IMMEDIATE FORGIVENESS. grazymax isdn ola DimitryKakadu apt sidro Raphaelt gray-- HeXiLeD opusculum davyg Zylvain abcd82 Leoneof daves_not_here_m zxd bint iter s0d0 ax-ax calisto dashs SQlvpapir lollo64it NoobCoder arvind_khadri anthonywong DimmuR jrib derchris dArK_Ic |
| 18:09.39 | *** mode/#debian [+r] by LoRez |
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| 18:09.41 | Sashi | srsly srsly |
| 18:09.46 | abrotman | bah .. LoRez beat me to it |
| 18:09.47 | bronaugh | lol |
| 18:09.49 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 18:09.51 | LoRez | sorry :) |
| 18:10.08 | abrotman | LoRez: you have special powers, you don't need the few extra keystrokes to get there :) |
| 18:10.21 | Sashi | what is the point of bots? |
| 18:10.23 | abrotman | we now return you to a sane and quiet channel .. |
| 18:10.24 | Sashi | what fun does it do? |
| 18:10.26 | LoRez | it's scripted to stuff both commands at once |
| 18:10.31 | abrotman | Sashi: #debian-offtopic please |
| 18:10.38 | abrotman | LoRez: ah okay |
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| 18:11.21 | LoRez | the "god" mode doesn't stay round longer than 5 minutes at a time |
| 18:11.25 | Sashi | in other news, debian doesnt do zfs out of the box right? |
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| 18:11.40 | jelly-home | right |
| 18:11.41 | troulouliou | hi i can not join some site cause the resolution is done in ipv6 |
| 18:11.48 | troulouliou | how can i stick to ipv4 |
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| 18:12.08 | LoRez | Sashi: debian/fbsd should |
| 18:12.18 | LoRez | well, maybe not out of the box... |
| 18:12.30 | MrFrood | debian kbsd? |
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| 18:12.50 | abrotman | Sashi: but the installer supports it |
| 18:12.53 | Sashi | im wanting to rebuild my nas, currently it has freenas which is horribe horrible speeds over gigabit lan |
| 18:13.05 | Sashi | might go to debian if it does zfs out of the box :) |
| 18:14.01 | MrFrood | !tell Sashi about kbsd |
| 18:14.17 | keith4 | it's probably not the *software* on the NAS that is the bottleneck |
| 18:14.25 | Sashi | is it "stable" MrFrood |
| 18:14.53 | Sashi | well its 4 hds on raidz which should be doing more than 15MB/s over gigabit lan |
| 18:14.56 | MrFrood | Sashi: develepment preview I think |
| 18:15.01 | Sashi | i would like to see at least 50ish |
| 18:15.10 | keith4 | last time I installed kfreebsd, it didn't support NFS yet/still |
| 18:15.44 | keith4 | Sashi: it's probably i/o limited. anemic CPU, RAM, etc. |
| 18:16.06 | Sashi | CPU is more than enough keith4 |
| 18:16.06 | abrotman | kfreebsd was a release platform for squeeze |
| 18:16.23 | keith4 | abrotman: yes, but that's been debated |
| 18:16.23 | MrFrood | Sashi: if you are interested in kbsd the best thing is to ask in #debian-kbsd on oftc |
| 18:16.35 | Sashi | alright |
| 18:16.37 | abrotman | keith4: it was still released :) |
| 18:16.46 | keith4 | technicality |
| 18:16.54 | keith4 | ... but true |
| 18:16.58 | Sashi | NFS > CIFS > SMB in order of.. performance? |
| 18:17.06 | Sashi | rather isnt cifs = smb? |
| 18:17.28 | warp0x00 | different generations of the same thing |
| 18:17.28 | gnusosa_ | Sashi: Just like that order. But CIFS != smb |
| 18:18.00 | keith4 | Sashi: cifs includes more features, iirc |
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| 18:19.48 | joe6 | installing grub from the bzr repo fixed the installation issues I had with grub-pc |
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| 18:21.14 | bash` | hi all |
| 18:21.26 | bash` | is there the maintainer of soprano? |
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| 18:22.04 | dondelelcaro | bash`: The Qt/KDE team maintains it |
| 18:22.07 | abrotman | bash`: is there, yes ... are they here, doubtful |
| 18:22.12 | joe6 | the debian folks should package the latest grub from the repository. |
| 18:22.34 | bash` | dondelelcaro: ok...packager? |
| 18:22.37 | joe6 | it fixes the grub issues with the raid-one devices |
| 18:22.42 | dondelelcaro | bash`: same difference |
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| 18:23.30 | bash` | dondelelcaro: you install a binaries of soprano, someone packaged it |
| 18:23.40 | abrotman | bash`: that's the Debian maintainer |
| 18:23.47 | dondelelcaro | bash`: yes, and the packager is the same as the Debian maintainer |
| 18:24.10 | ksx4system | what is wrong with Psi 0.14 on Debian squeeze? openpgp/gpg is inactive (grayed), the same version of Psi works just PERFECT on openSUSE |
| 18:24.27 | troulouliou | hi how can i prevent apt-get update to resolv debian repositories in ipv6 ? |
| 18:24.36 | abrotman | ksx4system: did you not install a package that might allow that to work ? |
| 18:24.51 | bash` | of curse, I know but you replied "the KDE team maintains it"... |
| 18:24.58 | bash` | dondelelcaro: ^ |
| 18:25.07 | dondelelcaro | bash`: because that's the maintainer |
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| 18:25.14 | dondelelcaro | bash`: it's a team maintained package |
| 18:25.39 | dondelelcaro | if you're actually wondering who did the upload of the package, run who-uploads soprano; |
| 18:26.05 | dondelelcaro | if you want to know who did what parts of the maintenance, check the changelog |
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| 18:26.45 | bash` | dondelelcaro: I don't use Debian, I'm the maintainer of soprano in Arch Linux and I'd like to talk with the maintainers of soprano in Debian, can you help me in this? |
| 18:27.01 | dondelelcaro | bash`: what do you want to talk to them about? |
| 18:27.21 | dondelelcaro | joe6: rc2 was released 8 dayss ago, and it looks like some of the issues with mdraid disks have already been marked as pending upload and fixed upstream; presumably in a few days it'll be updated |
| 18:27.29 | ksx4system | abrotman: i already have "gnupg" package, it's 1.4.10 version (probably default on squeeze, keys were made with same version but on OpenBSD box) |
| 18:27.56 | bash` | dondelelcaro: they/him added a redland_raptor2_support.h patch but is crap |
| 18:28.35 | dondelelcaro | bash`: so file a bug? |
| 18:28.57 | rypervenche | I installed an nvidia driver by following dpkg's "nvidia dkms" information, and now everything on my screen is very large, I suppose the resolution is off. How can I fix this? |
| 18:29.25 | dondelelcaro | bash`: alternatively, send mail to debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org |
| 18:29.25 | bash` | dondelelcaro: talking with him/they would be better |
| 18:29.37 | dondelelcaro | bash`: filing a bug is equivalent to talking to the maintainer |
| 18:29.49 | bash` | dondelelcaro: thanks, I'll read the archive too, maybe there is something |
| 18:30.17 | dondelelcaro | though hopefully the content of the message is more complete than this "patch [...] is crap" |
| 18:30.33 | bash` | dondelelcaro: yes, but I'm not a Debian user and I want to understand the goal of that patch, I cannot file a bug report with the subject "patch is crap" |
| 18:30.39 | bash` | exactly |
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| 18:33.04 | joe6 | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 18:33.23 | bronaugh | what the flying fuck is wrong with NFS these days? |
| 18:33.35 | bronaugh | I just switched to NFSv4 and I'm having the same issues I was with v3 |
| 18:33.39 | abrotman | ksx4system: Honestly I don't use Psi .. I would assume that'd be enough or using some ssl/tls package would do it .. you might want to check the /usr/share/doc/psi/README.Debian |
| 18:33.44 | bronaugh | ie: jobs hanging in state D+ |
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| 18:34.12 | bronaugh | always with files on NFS shares. |
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| 18:35.08 | bronaugh | (and yes, this is on debian, though I doubt that's actually relevant here) |
| 18:35.15 | JasonWoof | bronaugh: switch to sshfs ;) |
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| 18:35.24 | torrancew | bronaugh: That's a deadlock |
| 18:35.25 | bronaugh | JasonWoof: I'll get right on that. |
| 18:35.28 | bronaugh | torrancew: yeah. I know. |
| 18:35.54 | JasonWoof | bronaugh: I'm kidding. sshfs is really slow |
| 18:35.59 | torrancew | what kind of jobs? |
| 18:36.03 | bronaugh | JasonWoof: more importantly it doesn't work when you have multiple users. |
| 18:36.10 | bronaugh | torrancew: uh; ls? |
| 18:36.11 | bronaugh | cp? |
| 18:36.14 | bronaugh | you know, stuff like that. |
| 18:36.28 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: NFS works just fine here; usually that sort of issue means that you've got network connectivity issues |
| 18:36.30 | bronaugh | it seems cp usually starts the failure cascade. |
| 18:36.48 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: uh huh; and nfs shouldn't deadlock if a few packets are dropped. |
| 18:36.51 | bronaugh | it should recover. |
| 18:36.59 | bronaugh | failure to do so -> NFS is a fuck shit stack. |
| 18:37.18 | WarrenChild | okay, so I have postfix and dovecot installed and I am trying to get my mail server running up locally. I have a account test and it is able to send a message to itself, and when checking for new messages I get no errors. how ever it will not pull the sent message down from server to the inbox |
| 18:37.21 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: it will recover if a few are dropped, but it has all sorts of problems if lots are dropped |
| 18:37.27 | JasonWoof | there are a few messages floating about the internet saying that NFS sucks... |
| 18:37.33 | bronaugh | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.33 | bronaugh | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.37 | bronaugh | there's stats btw. |
| 18:37.55 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: so then you haven't dropped any. check out what is going on the server as far as IO load goes |
| 18:38.02 | bronaugh | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.02 | bronaugh | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.03 | bronaugh | endpoint. |
| 18:38.21 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: i/o load is a joke when you have deadlocked tasks. |
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| 18:38.49 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: uh... I'm talking about the output of iotop or similar |
| 18:38.58 | bronaugh | Total DISK READ: 3.86 K/s | Total DISK WRITE: 18.39 M/s |
| 18:39.04 | dondelelcaro | so... there you go |
| 18:39.13 | bronaugh | no, that explains nothing. |
| 18:39.26 | dondelelcaro | how are these machines connected? |
| 18:39.27 | bronaugh | because normally tasks would recover; might take them a few minutes. |
| 18:39.31 | bronaugh | in the absolute worst case. |
| 18:39.42 | bronaugh | this is hours for them to unlock. |
| 18:39.54 | bronaugh | connected in a data center using gigabit ethernet |
| 18:39.58 | bronaugh | I think it's Cisco kit. |
| 18:39.58 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: please stop overusing enter if you want me to assist you, and also calm down. |
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| 18:41.00 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: ok. now what about the issues? |
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| 18:41.05 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: what is the server running and what is the client running? |
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| 18:41.32 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: debian and debian. 2.6.36-trunk-amd64 on client, 2.6.37-rc5-amd64 on server. |
| 18:42.06 | bronaugh | but this is a long-standing issue. it just suddenly got worse in the last week |
| 18:42.21 | bronaugh | ie: I've experienced this with kernels back to 2.6.30 at least. |
| 18:42.25 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: what is the output of lsof and /proc/mounts for the device? |
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| 18:42.37 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: I can't get the output of lsof; it hangs. |
| 18:43.24 | bronaugh | http://pastebin.com/DL6b5KgL |
| 18:43.25 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: that's fine. Give me at least the /proc/mounts output. |
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| 18:44.34 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: which device has the deadlocks on it? |
| 18:44.37 | WarrenChild | what is the debian server help room please |
| 18:44.44 | dondelelcaro | WarrenChild: you are in it. |
| 18:44.52 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: stuff in /home/data4 |
| 18:45.18 | WarrenChild | dondelelcaro: sure there is not another one? no one in here seems to know about e-mail servers |
| 18:45.20 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: so data2 and data3 aren't deadlocking? |
| 18:45.33 | torrancew | WarrenChild: what about email servers? |
| 18:45.35 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: nope; data2 is not used at all at the moment, and data3 is local. |
| 18:45.38 | WarrenChild | okay, so I have postfix and dovecot installed and I am trying to get my mail server running up locally. I have a account test and it is able to send a message to itself, and when checking for new messages I get no errors. how ever it will not pull the sent message down from server to the inbox |
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| 18:45.49 | erAbuelo | buenas tardes |
| 18:46.22 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: is there any reason why you have the rsize and wsize set so small? what size files are we dealing with here? |
| 18:46.24 | torrancew | WarrenChild: that is a rather vague description of the problem |
| 18:46.33 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: usually large. I could expand the window sizes. |
| 18:46.44 | torrancew | WarrenChild: are postfix and dovecot on the same box? |
| 18:46.48 | WarrenChild | yes |
| 18:46.48 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: also, is there a particular reason why you're using nfs4? |
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| 18:47.02 | arrogu | hi guys |
| 18:47.03 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: because it's different than nfsv3, and nfsv3 was doing this on Thursday. |
| 18:47.10 | dondelelcaro | WarrenChild: where are you storing the mail? have you configured dovecot to properly use that mailstore? |
| 18:47.11 | torrancew | WarrenChild: there should be no "pull the sent message down" then |
| 18:47.23 | arrogu | do you know how can I make work my hdmi port with a projector? |
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| 18:47.30 | arrogu | I'm using debian on a laptop |
| 18:47.38 | torrancew | WarrenChild: I agree with dondelelcaro, it is likely you need to point dovecot's mailstore at the folder postfix is dumping mail into |
| 18:47.45 | abrotman | arrogu: xrandr ? |
| 18:47.46 | WarrenChild | dondelelcarp: I followed these instructions to the t http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-mail-server-setup-with-postfix-dovecot-sasl-squirrel-mail.html |
| 18:47.46 | arrogu | and I've installed the nvidia non-free drivers |
| 18:47.47 | dondelelcaro | arrogu: xrandr or one of the GUI equivalents to enable it |
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| 18:47.53 | arrogu | uhm |
| 18:48.00 | arrogu | thanks guys |
| 18:48.08 | arrogu | I didn't know about it :) |
| 18:49.04 | arrogu | guys: Package xrandr is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 18:49.09 | arrogu | However the following packages replace it: |
| 18:49.10 | arrogu | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.12 | arrogu | what does it mean? |
| 18:49.32 | torrancew | arrogu: just that the name of the package that contains xrandr, isn't xrandr :) |
| 18:49.40 | torrancew | anymore, that is |
| 18:49.46 | arrogu | uhm |
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| 18:49.54 | arrogu | so the name is X11-xserver-utils? |
| 18:50.00 | torrancew | arrogu: correct |
| 18:50.03 | abrotman | it is now |
| 18:50.05 | arrogu | uhm ok |
| 18:50.08 | torrancew | (no capitals) |
| 18:50.09 | arrogu | thanks again :)) |
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| 18:52.21 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: anyhow, sorry if I'm sounding frustrated here. this is just driving me bonkers. |
| 18:52.44 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: it does seem related to dropped rx packets on the server end; but that shouldn't be taking down a well constructed filesystem stack. |
| 18:52.50 | abrotman | to yonkers? |
| 18:53.52 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: how big of a file are we talking about copying here? |
| 18:54.10 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: and is any network IO happening at all? or has it totally deadlocked? |
| 18:54.32 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: 5GB |
| 18:54.42 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: and how long has it been copying? |
| 18:54.57 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: still plenty of network i/o going on; and it unlocked about 5 minutes ago. |
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| 18:55.13 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: so nothing is deadlocked now? |
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| 18:55.45 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: nope. everything unlocked. as to how long it took, generally we can push up to 80M/sec over NFS; people notice when files that big take longer than a few minutes to copy. |
| 18:56.17 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: anyhow, it does sound like a problem that might go away were I to switch to using tcp instead of udp. |
| 18:56.26 | dondelelcaro | probably |
| 18:56.29 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: do you have an opinion on whether that would be a good idea? |
| 18:56.41 | dondelelcaro | I generally find TCP to be slightly less problematic when you have questionable network links |
| 18:56.59 | bronaugh | and... last question. what kind of window size would be more appropriate? |
| 18:57.02 | dondelelcaro | and unfortunately, cisco gear is often questionable |
| 18:57.10 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: for huge files, bigger the better |
| 18:57.19 | bronaugh | ok, but there's obviously an upper limit of sanity. |
| 18:57.22 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: I'm currently just not specifying one |
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| 18:57.35 | bronaugh | my understanding is that the default NFS window size is actually fairly small. |
| 18:57.40 | dondelelcaro | (which equates to rsize and wsize of 131072) |
| 18:58.00 | bronaugh | hm; ok. never mind, then. I'll just remove those parameters |
| 18:58.33 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: by default the client and server negotiate the largest that they can support, which is normally what you want |
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| 18:58.59 | bronaugh | yeah. |
| 18:59.03 | bronaugh | guess I'm using crusty information. |
| 18:59.18 | dondelelcaro | yeah, there's a lot of ancient and wrong information about NFS out there |
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| 18:59.45 | bronaugh | definitely noticed the "wrong" part :/ |
| 18:59.56 | bronaugh | anyhow, going for lunch. thanks for the help there :) |
| 19:00.39 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: np; you probably also want to check out nfsiostat next time |
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| 19:01.03 | dondelelcaro | (and the output of nfsstat is also useful for diagnosing these sorts of problems) |
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| 19:03.09 | alinux__99 | hi all I did add to /etc/aliases root:me@mydomain.com then I ran newaliases and did restart the exim service, however root email is still being sent to root@mydomain.com ..any hints on where I should look ? I check mainlog and it clearly states root@mydomain.com as recipient |
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| 19:04.49 | jhutchins_lt | alinux__99: Try adding a space after the :. |
| 19:05.56 | alinux__99 | jhutchins_lt, same result..I am using a smarthost does that affect aliases ? |
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| 19:06.29 | jhutchins_lt | alinux__99: No, but your config might not be looking at that file. |
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| 19:09.04 | xand | alinux__99: got anything in /etc/aliases.d ? |
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| 19:09.42 | steampunkey | I'm trying to run the "Recorder" (or waeva), I get this: Please install the 'gconfelements' plug-in from the 'gst-plugins-good' module. |
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| 19:09.51 | z0mbyk1d | write: write: you have write permission turned off. |
| 19:09.58 | project2501b | OH SIZZLE |
| 19:09.59 | z0mbyk1d | where is this defined for the linux console? |
| 19:10.09 | steampunkey | what should I do? "gstreamer0.10-plugins-good is already the newest version."? |
| 19:10.32 | project2501b | REMOTE DIRECTORY COMPLETION VIA SSH!!!!! GO DEBIAN! |
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| 19:11.38 | steampunkey | how about it then, does someone know? |
| 19:12.29 | alinux__99 | xand, aliases.d does not exist on my system |
| 19:13.02 | alinux__99 | jhutchins_lt, any hints what I should look at, it is pretty much standard generated by dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 19:13.34 | jhutchins_lt | alinux__99: not really, I'd just be reading the exim config files, using grep to find aliases, etc. |
| 19:14.05 | jhutchins_lt | locate alias* |
| 19:14.05 | xand | I can't remember if dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config asks you to specify the root alias |
| 19:14.08 | xand | it might |
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| 19:16.38 | tabakhase | is there smth like php list($var1, $var2, $var3) = array('la', #le', 'lu') ? |
| 19:16.41 | jhutchins_lt | Having run three different mailservers, I have to say I probably now know less about any individual one. |
| 19:16.56 | tabakhase | right now its a for and a biiiig bunch of ifelse´s =( |
| 19:17.45 | friese | hmm |
| 19:17.52 | friese | tabak, i dont understand right |
| 19:17.56 | friese | maybe a "case" is for you? |
| 19:18.06 | friese | i cant tell much from the snippet you posted |
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| 19:19.32 | friese | or you want to compare 2 arrays??? |
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| 19:19.43 | friese | then try array_diff |
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| 19:22.01 | xand | tabakhase: list($var1, $var2... |
| 19:22.22 | xand | tabakhase: see also ##php |
| 19:22.35 | tabakhase | im searching for smth like that in bash |
| 19:22.55 | tabakhase | to avoid 69 to 85 http://nopaste.me/paste/12334858894db705bb79995 |
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| 19:23.55 | Maahes | anyone use ranger? |
| 19:24.05 | tabakhase | friese a case could solve to |
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| 19:24.17 | tabakhase | but still "a big block" |
| 19:24.28 | friese | ok |
| 19:24.42 | Obsidian1723 | Are there any plans to incorporate gnome3/gnome-shell vs gnome-panel (gnome2x) into Debian? |
| 19:24.44 | friese | why dont you jsut do one if with "or"-connectors? |
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| 19:25.29 | tabakhase | smth to parse a string "-host=lol -p=22" would be okay too, ive taken a look at getopt(s) but thats all wired ;-) |
| 19:25.45 | jhutchins_lt | Obsidian1723: It will eventually make it into Debian but it's WAY too early now. |
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| 19:26.01 | friese | hmm |
| 19:26.10 | jhutchins_lt | Obsidian1723: Possibly the run of testing after wheezy. |
| 19:26.12 | Obsidian1723 | hmm gnome3 (and Unity) break my workflow, so it's good it will be awhile. |
| 19:26.24 | friese | you could propably do something with reg-ex... |
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| 19:26.46 | Obsidian1723 | So not until after Wheezy is out in 2013, some time after that. |
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| 19:27.03 | tabakhase | friese sounds just more dangerous ;-) |
| 19:27.08 | friese | hehe |
| 19:27.12 | friese | hate them too |
| 19:27.23 | steampunkey | iceweasel 4 is coming when it's done. just like Amiga OS 4 |
| 19:27.35 | abrotman | Obsidian1723: pieces of it are already in unstable |
| 19:27.39 | jhutchins_lt | Obsidian1723: Assuming wheezy IS out in 2013. probably. |
| 19:27.41 | Obsidian1723 | ugh |
| 19:27.42 | friese | and whats wrong with getops, if you run php from command line? |
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| 19:28.00 | abrotman | !gnome3 |
| 19:28.00 | dpkg | http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html |
| 19:28.05 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: That's because major pieces of it ARE unstable! <grin> |
| 19:28.31 | Obsidian1723 | I suppose it will all change with Wayland+Compiz too.... gnome2 and x.org can't last forever. |
| 19:28.41 | tabakhase | friese tcl could be an option to, but as many deprencies as possible. i refused php because of that reason too |
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| 19:28.51 | Obsidian1723 | thanks for the link |
| 19:29.04 | ppalmes | is surprised /etc/init.d/networking is deprecated... |
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| 19:29.12 | friese | ok, so you want to do that with bash or what? |
| 19:29.24 | tabakhase | ppalmes /me hates that too |
| 19:29.38 | tabakhase | friese jep |
| 19:29.43 | friese | ok |
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| 19:29.52 | friese | thats not exactly my field of interest... |
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| 19:30.15 | friese | maybe enough for simple scripts like my laptop dashboard, but not more... |
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| 19:30.47 | jhutchins_lt | Obsidian1723: I doubt if all the distros are going to blindly follow Ubuntu down that path. |
| 19:30.53 | tabakhase | ppalmes because of http://wertarbyte.de/debian/ifupdown/addresses im still running debian |
| 19:30.59 | Obsidian1723 | God, I hope not. |
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| 19:31.06 | tabakhase | lenny. <3 |
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| 19:31.18 | Obsidian1723 | I use Ubuntu on my desktops, but will be moving over to Debian for that I think. |
| 19:31.25 | friese | hmm |
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| 19:31.46 | Obsidian1723 | I was using Debian/CentOS (both for servers) and Ubuntu for desktops. |
| 19:31.46 | friese | im using windows 7 right now *duck* |
| 19:31.52 | tabakhase | friese thx annyways. realy hard do find experienced persons in bash :D |
| 19:31.58 | friese | hehe |
| 19:32.14 | steampunkey | tabakhase: orly |
| 19:32.18 | jhutchins_lt | What will be interesting will be if a major distribution offers well-polished versions of BOTH servers, so they can be compared. |
| 19:32.27 | Obsidian1723 | root@windows:$ <-- bash(es) Windows |
| 19:32.28 | steampunkey | tabakhase: tried #bash? |
| 19:32.30 | friese | but, if your construct works fine, why change it? |
| 19:32.44 | Obsidian1723 | der I meanr # not $ |
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| 19:32.55 | steampunkey | Obsidian1723: the cake is a lie |
| 19:33.02 | Obsidian1723 | the cake? |
| 19:33.05 | tabakhase | steampunkey examples, "stuff on the net" all you find out there is basic the manpage and 3-5 examples |
| 19:33.08 | steampunkey | yes, the cake |
| 19:33.13 | steampunkey | you are the cake |
| 19:33.14 | Obsidian1723 | what cake? |
| 19:33.16 | steampunkey | you are a lie |
| 19:33.21 | friese | he doesnt know the cake... |
| 19:33.22 | tabakhase | forum stuff only realllllly casesensitive |
| 19:33.28 | friese | never played portal obsidian? |
| 19:33.33 | steampunkey | friese: i think he's just being "smart" |
| 19:33.33 | Obsidian1723 | played what? |
| 19:33.47 | friese | ah, nothing for me :) |
| 19:34.11 | Obsidian1723 | not much of a gamer, sorry. |
| 19:34.23 | friese | me too, normaly |
| 19:34.27 | steampunkey | Obsidian1723: my apologies then |
| 19:34.28 | Obsidian1723 | I've never even seen WoW. Heard of it, but that's it. |
| 19:34.29 | friese | i only played portal once |
| 19:34.34 | abrotman | anyway ... |
| 19:34.35 | tabakhase | nice, there is a #bash... thx steampunkey ill go and annoy these guys tomorrow during work ;-) |
| 19:35.00 | steampunkey | tabakhase: i think the opposite will happen ;-P |
| 19:35.26 | tabakhase | hm? |
| 19:35.55 | tabakhase | /telephonevoice "sorry, i did not understand* |
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| 19:35.56 | steampunkey | tabakhase: they may annoy you instead. |
| 19:36.08 | tabakhase | :D |
| 19:36.21 | tabakhase | well see |
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| 19:37.04 | steampunkey | you know what I hate? The #C anti-spoon-feeding extremism. I guarantee you, if I'm not in there you won't get a straight answer |
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| 19:37.51 | tabakhase | im not using c |
| 19:38.02 | tabakhase | main is php ;-) |
| 19:38.15 | steampunkey | Instead, you'll get bunch of questions which are said to be designed to lead you to epiphany, however you're more likely to go insane first. |
| 19:38.34 | steampunkey | One of the usual questions: What type is x? |
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| 19:38.52 | abrotman | steampunkey: do you ahve a Debian question? |
| 19:38.53 | friese | hmm, c, always wanted to try that language |
| 19:39.00 | steampunkey | abrotman: i asked my question, yes |
| 19:39.07 | friese | but right now im playing with python, wich is also quite nice |
| 19:39.11 | abrotman | how is that related to #c bashing? |
| 19:39.23 | steampunkey | friese: you don't "try" C. Unless you did assembler or C++ |
| 19:39.27 | tabakhase | fancy in node.js (fuckk*n fast!), tcl & bash |
| 19:39.34 | steampunkey | abrotman: went OT |
| 19:39.46 | tabakhase | taken the blue pill |
| 19:39.50 | steampunkey | there's no automatic #debian-ot switch, so here we are |
| 19:39.59 | steampunkey | * #debian-offtopic |
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| 19:40.23 | abrotman | steampunkey: keep it on-topic |
| 19:40.25 | steampunkey | abrotman: are you offering an on-topic answer perhaps? |
| 19:40.30 | friese | as long as noone asks a guestion, i think we can chat off-topic |
| 19:40.32 | steampunkey | *to my question, that is |
| 19:40.35 | deepy | Anyone have a tool for remotely pushing out Debian installations? |
| 19:40.38 | abrotman | friese: no, you cannot |
| 19:40.47 | friese | ok, i can not... |
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| 19:40.50 | abrotman | deepy: remotely how? |
| 19:40.52 | tabakhase | deed02392 "ssh"? |
| 19:40.58 | dondelelcaro | deepy: fai or similar works |
| 19:41.00 | deepy | abrotman: as in from a central server, I want to do simple administration |
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| 19:41.03 | deed02392 | you shush tabakhase |
| 19:41.12 | deepy | like setting basic settings and then pushing it out, probaly going to be over netboot |
| 19:41.14 | friese | deepy: you mean something like drbl + clonezilla? |
| 19:41.23 | abrotman | deepy: the entire instal? or just administration? FAI for the former, puppet/chef for the latter |
| 19:41.27 | tabakhase | deed02392 im so sorry |
| 19:41.36 | deepy | abrotman: I want the whole process preferrably |
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| 19:41.48 | tabakhase | been quite sure if pressed it 2 times... |
| 19:41.52 | deepy | I just set "I want this pc with these settings for this mac", reboot that mac into netboot |
| 19:41.57 | deepy | and install goes on without asking any questions |
| 19:41.58 | abrotman | deepy: FAI is one method |
| 19:42.00 | deed02392 | hehe |
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| 19:42.22 | deepy | Do you have a longer name? I'm not into the Football Association of Ireland |
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| 19:42.30 | deepy | Found it |
| 19:42.36 | friese | deepy: http://fai-project.org/ |
| 19:42.41 | friese | ah, ok |
| 19:42.50 | friese | looks neat, didn't knew of it |
| 19:43.01 | deepy | Does FAI only run on Debian and it's derivates? |
| 19:43.20 | friese | i usualy do one setup and then distribute it over clonezilla, although its only good for similar computers... |
| 19:43.51 | tabakhase | fai reads interessting, but im still "5 servers away from that" |
| 19:44.37 | deepy | tabakhase: I'm tempted to say that FAI seems aimed at clients |
| 19:45.07 | tabakhase | "FAI is a non-interactive system to install, customize and manage Linux systems and software configurations" |
| 19:45.41 | deepy | I'm sure there's several uses for installing several servers at the same time |
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| 19:45.50 | deepy | But I'm pretty sure FAI really shines when it comes to clients |
| 19:45.59 | tabakhase | would be interesting what "configurations" meant in these case, 100 apaches with scriupting and vars or a networking with $nextIp... |
| 19:46.42 | tabakhase | and never forget, fai is 1 of (unlimited) |
| 19:47.07 | deepy | and now for the obvious question, is there anything like fai that also supports other operating systems than Linux? |
| 19:47.19 | friese | hmm |
| 19:47.28 | friese | windows had something like that i think |
| 19:47.30 | deepy | BSD is the only real requirement, others are just extra candy |
| 19:47.35 | deepy | Yes, in Windows Server |
| 19:47.55 | tabakhase | .msi is a shitload |
| 19:47.55 | deepy | Having one platform for each solution isn't really that great |
| 19:48.18 | deepy | Deploying operating systems, not software |
| 19:48.27 | friese | i do windows, linux, os/2, practically everything with drbl, but its just cloning, without configuration or things like that |
| 19:49.29 | Obsidian1723 | FAI is good, but there is also Clonezilla, or setting up an apt-cache server. |
| 19:49.30 | jelly-home | os/2? |
| 19:49.36 | Obsidian1723 | our even Puppet |
| 19:49.49 | Obsidian1723 | our = or |
| 19:49.49 | tabakhase | puppet is what ive aimed |
| 19:49.56 | friese | jelly, i know its a little old, but i like it |
| 19:50.03 | Obsidian1723 | I use Remastersys for individual installs. |
| 19:50.33 | tabakhase | friese only clones means dhcp? |
| 19:50.51 | friese | you need dhcp for that pxe-thing, if you mean that |
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| 19:51.36 | tabakhase | makes kind of nogo in "normal" sollutions for servers |
| 19:51.59 | friese | i usually have several images on my server, im running this on my home-network, so for a big company that might not be suited... |
| 19:52.37 | tabakhase | there is nothing nicer thatn 192.168., exept 127.0.0.1 |
| 19:52.42 | friese | you can boot the clients from cd or something like that, but i dont know of a network-boot without dhcp |
| 19:53.35 | Obsidian1723 | tabakhase and ::1 |
| 19:53.38 | friese | meh, its ::1 here, im cool :) |
| 19:53.39 | friese | ey |
| 19:53.46 | friese | i wanted to do it with ipv6 :) |
| 19:54.01 | pipeline | you can use dhcp at boot time with a separate pool of addresses and separate subnet from the eventual configured IP on the system |
| 19:54.13 | friese | yep |
| 19:54.14 | pipeline | there's no reason that the boot time IP and the come-up IP have to be the same |
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| 19:54.21 | tabakhase | ipv6 disabled. getting wireless problems at home, failingnet in the office |
| 19:54.31 | tabakhase | same on win7 & ubuntu |
| 19:54.44 | friese | hmm |
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| 19:54.57 | friese | i have it nabled, but currently just on my lan |
| 19:55.10 | tabakhase | @office on my workpc works fine |
| 19:55.42 | tabakhase | @home via cable but notebook: no client to test with ;-) |
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| 19:56.05 | friese | hmm |
| 19:56.38 | jhutchins_lt | tabakhase: Most home grade routers do not work well if at all when asked to do both ipv6 & ipv4 |
| 19:56.55 | jhutchins_lt | Many business grade devices also fail. |
| 19:56.58 | tabakhase | the strupid modem plastik box from isp is not even labeling v4 as ip4 |
| 19:57.14 | dmr | the debian squeeze have non-exec stack? |
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| 19:57.36 | Eightamrock | Hello all, I am having trouble with debian & exim on a rackspace cloud |
| 19:57.39 | friese | ok, im using an old thin client as router, so not much problems with support for anything... |
| 19:57.59 | Eightamrock | I can't get it to send email |
| 19:58.29 | Eightamrock | Steps completed > Setup reverse DNS, configured exim for internet delivery, setup mailname as my fqdn |
| 19:58.29 | jhutchins_lt | !tell dmr about br |
| 19:58.42 | tabakhase | Eightamrock clouds dont send |
| 19:59.12 | Eightamrock | tabakhase: Cloud servers can't send mail? |
| 19:59.18 | tabakhase | Eightamrock its already a shame when a cloud allows file operations ;-) |
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| 19:59.53 | tabakhase | Eightamrock thats not rly in there nature, mail is not meant to come from a shitload of diffrent servers |
| 20:00.12 | tabakhase | spf records bla bla^^ |
| 20:00.31 | Eightamrock | Gotcha, is there an alternative to getting my app to send mail? |
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| 20:00.35 | Obsidian1723 | Imagine the spamolicoius emails you'd get if you could email from the cloud providers. |
| 20:00.44 | Obsidian1723 | It'd go from 90% spam emails to 99% |
| 20:00.50 | tabakhase | geht a virtual server, 5-10bucks and have a "real mailserver" |
| 20:00.59 | tabakhase | client inboxes and so on |
| 20:01.03 | Obsidian1723 | or setup postfix |
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| 20:01.13 | z0mbyk1d | i'm about to set up postfix/dovecot |
| 20:01.19 | tabakhase | this outherwise needs a big configuration too when making it "cloudable" |
| 20:01.21 | z0mbyk1d | for a couple domains i host |
| 20:01.38 | Eightamrock | I was looking at iredmail |
| 20:01.42 | z0mbyk1d | ive set up postfix and am relaying mail |
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| 20:01.45 | z0mbyk1d | but dovecot is new to me |
| 20:01.53 | Eightamrock | I just need it to send, was hoping to avoid a whole mail server install |
| 20:02.05 | tabakhase | Eightamrock on the cloud you should gett "nullmailer" |
| 20:02.26 | tabakhase | its automatic directing everything to a real mailserver with smtp,login and so on |
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| 20:02.53 | heimdoll | Eightamrock: or msmtp . It is pretty easy to configure and works well in my experience. |
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| 20:03.23 | jhutchins_lt | Eightamrock: You will probably get a better answer if you ask rackspace support about sending mail from your server. The advice you're geting here is unreliable at best. |
| 20:03.44 | Eightamrock | jnhutchins_lt: thanks for the candor |
| 20:03.54 | Eightamrock | I appreciate the responses, will have to do some more digging |
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| 20:06.25 | zgedneil | does #debian have an official motto? I think "unreliable at best" must be a good candidate :-) |
| 20:08.22 | jhutchins_lt | zgedneil: Sometimes the quality is better than others. |
| 20:08.56 | dkr | zgedneil: "It has an aptitude for that." |
| 20:09.02 | z0mbyk1d | the t-shirt I have from about 12 years ago says 'When code matters more than commercials' |
| 20:09.13 | z0mbyk1d | it is now a rarity |
| 20:09.19 | torrancew | Eightamrock: not sure if this is a custom app, or a pre-fab, but direct SMTP support is an option you could investigate |
| 20:09.26 | z0mbyk1d | and only in Austin do people know enough to notice it |
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| 20:10.03 | steampunkey | resolved problem via __tim@#gstreamer: apt-get install gstreamer0.10-gconf |
| 20:10.25 | jhutchins_lt | z0mbyk1d: dovecot is the kind of thing you try to set up three or four times and it doesn't work, then you go back to exactly what you had the first time and it does. |
| 20:10.43 | z0mbyk1d | haha |
| 20:10.45 | z0mbyk1d | noted |
| 20:11.51 | tabakhase | jhutchins_lt agre on that |
| 20:12.02 | Eightamrock | torrancew: its just php stuff, need to get php to send emails. I got it working from command line using /usr/sbin/sendmail (once) |
| 20:12.27 | Eightamrock | torrancew: only delivered one message though the rest get connection refused |
| 20:13.43 | tomkap | o |
| 20:14.41 | jhutchins_lt | Eightamrock: i would think rackspace support would be able to give you a pretty quick, direct answer. They've been pretty good for me and I don't even use them. |
| 20:15.17 | Eightamrock | jhutchins_lt: reaching out to them now... should be an easy solution somewhere |
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| 20:18.24 | Craigwd_2000 | What should I do if attempting to rebuild my Wheezy AMD64 Kernel 2.6.38-2 according to an online How-To & following the directions in the Official Debian Manual fails to produce the relevant Kernel .debs...? |
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| 20:18.48 | bronaugh | ok, what is the meaning of dropped rx packets? |
| 20:19.07 | bronaugh | does that mean the packets overran the rx buffer? or are there other reasons? |
| 20:19.40 | Craigwd_2000 | I did rebuild it the Debian Way in case anyone's actually wondering... |
| 20:19.42 | heimdoll | bronaugh: I've seen that under heavy load when the receive processing could not keep up with the rate at which other hosts were sending packets |
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| 20:20.52 | bronaugh | heimdoll: hmm; ok. what I'm wondering is, is it always the receiving machine's fault that packets get dropped? |
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| 20:22.33 | LV-426 | Craigwd_2000, usually executing 'make deb-pkg' after configuration form a kernel git clone should be enough |
| 20:22.36 | heimdoll | bronaugh: I don't know if malformed packets or things like that count as dropped packets. I'm presuming you're looking at the typical interface stats that ifconfig gives you |
| 20:22.44 | bronaugh | heimdoll: that I am. |
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| 20:22.53 | bronaugh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:23.15 | z0mbyk1d | how do you grep AND something in one command? |
| 20:23.16 | bronaugh | anyhow, this seems to cause NFS to fall on its ass for extended periods of time. |
| 20:23.17 | Craigwd_2000 | LV-426: I tried that & the .debs were no-where to be found... |
| 20:23.28 | z0mbyk1d | like or is `grep 'boobs\|butts' file.log |
| 20:23.33 | z0mbyk1d | what is 'and' |
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| 20:23.44 | heimdoll | bronaugh: with such a low drop rate, it's probably not receive packet interrupt load; I'd be more concerned about the framing errors |
| 20:23.50 | bronaugh | z0mbyk1d: use egrep and regexp |
| 20:24.17 | Eightamrock | jhutchins_lt: hahah they told me to RTFM |
| 20:24.17 | bronaugh | heimdoll: Cisco kit upstream... probably just it being a pile of crap. |
| 20:24.17 | bronaugh | thankfully we didn't pay for it :P |
| 20:24.22 | z0mbyk1d | meh i just did 'term1.*term2' |
| 20:24.23 | z0mbyk1d | works |
| 20:24.24 | LV-426 | Craigwd_2000, if you don't provide an output dir they should be present at the parent dir of the git src |
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| 20:25.17 | heimdoll | bronaugh: for NFS type issues, it might be the IP flags, like DF (don't fragment) not being handled properly |
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| 20:25.46 | bronaugh | heimdoll: not being handled propertly by what? |
| 20:25.57 | bronaugh | I mean, nowadays there's way too many complicating factors going on... |
| 20:26.05 | Posterdati | hi |
| 20:26.12 | Craigwd_2000 | LV-426: So do I just need to use aptitude to install it by name now...? Or do I need to go on ftp.kernel.org or one of the nearby US Debian Mirrors to DL the file manually? |
| 20:26.30 | heimdoll | bronaugh: by something upstream; linux shouldn't give you any problems unless you have careless packet filtering rules running |
| 20:26.46 | Posterdati | please how can I lit the scroll lock led on a keyboard to see if it's working? Pressing scroll lock key isn't working! Thanks |
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| 20:26.50 | Craigwd_2000 | files* |
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| 20:27.32 | bronaugh | heimdoll: hmm; ok. |
| 20:27.56 | bronaugh | heimdoll: I am concerned, though, about the on-card implementations of things like TCP offload. |
| 20:28.14 | bronaugh | I've seen TCP checksum offloading go south repeatedly here. |
| 20:28.49 | heimdoll | bronaugh: this is why the linux IP stack folks are reluctant to turn over wholesale stack functionality to "smart" network cards |
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| 20:29.41 | bronaugh | heimdoll: yeah... |
| 20:29.49 | bronaugh | considering what I've seen, I'm with them on this. |
| 20:29.51 | heimdoll | I agree; I had some e1000s that had issues with MPI applications until I turned off the checksum offloading |
| 20:30.03 | heimdoll | it was really disconcerting |
| 20:30.17 | bronaugh | yeah. this is e1000e cards. |
| 20:30.35 | heimdoll | great, still issues like that with e1000e |
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| 20:31.14 | heimdoll | I'd hoped they'd be ironed out post 2005. |
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| 20:32.22 | bronaugh | gah. |
| 20:32.36 | bronaugh | any idea where you configure this to happen @boot with deb? |
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| 20:33.24 | heimdoll | bronaugh: I've typically done it via rc.local |
| 20:33.36 | bronaugh | there seems to be some kind of infrastructure. |
| 20:33.40 | bronaugh | just can't yet figure it out. |
| 20:34.48 | heimdoll | IIRC, it was done via an echo to a name in /sys , so rc.local seemed like the place to do it |
| 20:34.59 | bronaugh | nah, you can use ethtool to do it. |
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| 20:35.06 | skrullis | anyone with a HP 8540w here? |
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| 20:36.10 | Posterdati | skrullis: what's that= |
| 20:36.13 | Posterdati | skrullis: what's that? Printer? |
| 20:36.38 | bronaugh | bloatbook. |
| 20:36.55 | skrullis | Posterdati: so apparently you don't have one :) It's a laptop. |
| 20:37.13 | Posterdati | skrullis: intell based? |
| 20:37.30 | skrullis | Posterdati: yes. |
| 20:37.33 | bronaugh | http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06a/321957-321957-64295-3740645-4307559-4096175.html |
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| 20:37.43 | babilen | bronaugh: wouldn't /etc/network/interfaces be a suitable place (pre-up) |
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| 20:38.10 | Talon_ | is there a way to "reset" your keyboard? |
| 20:38.17 | babilen | !tell skrullis about polls |
| 20:38.17 | bronaugh | babilen: yeah. but look at /etc/network/if-up.d/ethtool. |
| 20:38.23 | Talon_ | right now for some odd reason, if my caps lock buttons on, caps lock is off |
| 20:38.26 | Talon_ | its backwards |
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| 20:39.26 | Posterdati | skrullis, bronaugh: it's like a compaq presario f700 |
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| 20:40.52 | bronaugh | babilen, heimdoll: /usr/share/doc/ethtool/README.Debian |
| 20:41.14 | skrullis | Posterdati: I just bought one for 90 EUR. :-) with a too weak ac adapter so it doesn't boot, probably I just need to change the ac adapter :D |
| 20:41.33 | bronaugh | skrullis: stolen much? :P |
| 20:41.58 | babilen | bronaugh: marvellous -- even better :) |
| 20:42.14 | skrullis | bronaugh: Probably! I didn't want to buy it if it was stolen but for 90 EUR what the hell ;) |
| 20:42.15 | babilen | bronaugh: I just had the intuition: "This should go in /e/n/i" :) |
| 20:42.37 | bronaugh | babilen: heh, yup. you were right. just needed to know details on syntax, and they're there in the readme, so... :) |
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| 20:42.49 | Posterdati | skrullis: does the PSU actually work? |
| 20:43.39 | skrullis | Posterdati: the leds light up and then nothing more happens. so probably "everything works", they are just not compatible... |
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| 20:44.00 | Posterdati | skrullis: mmmh |
| 20:44.08 | Frenk | Hey, I have an issue with my server and amavis. Its scanning messages in an infinite loop and I don't know what to do about that =( |
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| 20:45.21 | skrullis | Posterdati: the psu is rated for 65 W whereas the laptop needs at least a 90 W adapter, so I was curious if anyone else had a hp 8540w here and then could check the current power consumption. |
| 20:45.51 | Posterdati | is it a 19V output? |
| 20:46.26 | skrullis | Posterdati: yes |
| 20:46.57 | Posterdati | try remove battery |
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| 20:47.50 | skrullis | Posterdati: i did. hmm average power consumption = 27 watts. |
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| 20:49.45 | Mac_Weber | is there any package to install Google Closure Compiler? |
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| 20:51.14 | Posterdati | so it should start |
| 20:51.24 | Posterdati | skrullis: so it should start |
| 20:51.37 | skrullis | hopefully yes :) |
| 20:51.43 | skrullis | but no. |
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| 20:52.09 | skrullis | anyway one at work does have better adapter so I will have a try tomorrow... |
| 20:52.38 | Akuw | configuring cakephp removing // to this Configure::write(‘App.baseUrl’, env(‘SCRIPT_NAME’)); |
| 20:52.51 | Akuw | give no problems in the future? |
| 20:52.53 | skrullis | Posterdati: but "average" doesn't apply to when you boot the computer because then it has a kind of transient behaviour. |
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| 20:53.25 | Akuw | finally i have cake with all styles |
| 20:53.41 | Akuw | once i change that line in core.php |
| 20:54.05 | Posterdati | skrullis: not when booting, only when it starts peripherals and hd, try to remove hd |
| 20:54.55 | Akuw | sorry |
| 20:56.00 | skrullis | Posterdati: that's a good idea, will try that |
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| 20:56.54 | skrullis | Posterdati: HA! it just charged a couple of minutes and now it booted! |
| 20:57.31 | Posterdati | skrullis: so it's the psu with insufficient power |
| 20:58.14 | skrullis | Posterdati: yes. but it's also a veeery good price ;) |
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| 21:01.04 | Posterdati | skrullis: :) |
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| 21:06.42 | Dr4g0nK | Anyone here ? |
| 21:06.54 | LV-426 | Craigwd_2000, download which files ? after the kernel build is complete just use dpkg -i to install the kernel & firmware deb packages the build created |
| 21:08.00 | Craigwd_2000 | LV-426: I never found any .debs... How do I start strigi's indexer manually so that I can search for the .debs...? |
| 21:08.31 | Dr4g0nK | I am trying to install Debian 6 netinstall on my netbook using a usb stick. When I get to the grub instalation it installs in my USB instead of the hdd making it imposible to load without my usb plugged in. I am on runlevel 2, what commands do I need to use to get grub on my hdd so I can run it from there ? |
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| 21:09.55 | Dr4g0nK | does anyone have an awnser or an idea ? |
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| 21:10.54 | robokop | Dr4g0nK: 42 |
| 21:11.21 | deepy | robokop: that's not very helpful, this is a common issue |
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| 21:11.44 | deepy | Dr4g0nK: the command is called grub-install |
| 21:11.47 | LV-426 | Craigwd_2000, no need to search, if the build completes successfully they will be placed at ../kernel-git-clone |
| 21:12.05 | robokop | deepy: grub-install /dev/sdX where X is the drive you have |
| 21:12.34 | deepy | robokop: I'm not sure why you direct that to me, I know how grub works |
| 21:12.47 | robokop | deepy: sorry, tabfail |
| 21:12.54 | deepy | ;-) |
| 21:13.02 | robokop | Dr4g0nK: grub-install /dev/sdX where X is the drive you have |
| 21:13.10 | Dr4g0nK | thanks |
| 21:13.18 | deepy | Dr4g0nK: when you get it working, make a backup image in case you need to reinstall |
| 21:13.18 | Dr4g0nK | rebooting to see if it works :P |
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| 21:13.55 | LV-426 | Craigwd_2000, you can also use O=/output/dir when issuing the make command |
| 21:13.59 | Dr4g0nK | how do I know what letter my drive was? I assumed it was sdb but aint working :S |
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| 21:28.28 | suicidolt | apparently the default app for mp3s is my movie player? how do I switch it? |
| 21:29.57 | danols2 | hi guys |
| 21:30.23 | danols2 | can someone tell me how I can run exim4 daemon as part of the shadow group ? |
| 21:30.28 | nkuttler | simonlnu: that depends on your desktop environment. try right clicking and open with.. |
| 21:30.30 | danols2 | i'm trying to set it up to auth with PAM |
| 21:30.33 | nkuttler | suicidolt: ^^ |
| 21:30.37 | nkuttler | simonlnu: never mind |
| 21:30.44 | suicidolt | um...ok |
| 21:30.58 | suicidolt | except that doesn't set the default |
| 21:30.59 | jhutchins_lt | danols2: Um. That's what it does by default. |
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| 21:31.46 | jhutchins_lt | suicidolt: The trick is to set whatever target player you want to be "movie player". |
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| 21:32.11 | danols2 | jhutchins_lt: ok well it wasn't letting me auth at all - so I followed this http://wiki.exim.org/AuthenticatedSmtpUsingPam |
| 21:32.13 | danols2 | i'm lost |
| 21:32.15 | suicidolt | that sounds stupid |
| 21:32.24 | jhutchins_lt | suicidolt: The right-click thing often has a "remember this" checkbox. |
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| 21:32.58 | suicidolt | thanks |
| 21:33.51 | danols2 | jhutchins_lt: does exim4 by default have TSL enabled - cause I was getting an error message it wasn't... |
| 21:34.04 | jhutchins_lt | danols2: I'm afraid I don't have a current mult-user exim. Using postfix. |
| 21:34.18 | jhutchins_lt | danols2: It's enabled in the binary, you have to configure it. |
| 21:34.26 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: Why? You can easily enable TLS in exim4 |
| 21:34.34 | babilen | danols2: Have you read the README.Debian? |
| 21:34.56 | danols2 | babilen: no where is that file ? |
| 21:35.05 | babilen | !tell danols2 -about readme.debian |
| 21:35.06 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: That's what I mean. |
| 21:35.32 | jhutchins_lt | digs up an old home server that may be doing this. |
| 21:35.42 | danols2 | babilen: ok I will read it - i've been trying to setup up exim4 now for 4 days |
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| 21:36.22 | babilen | danols2: TLS is explained in there (section 2.2) |
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| 21:36.52 | babilen | danols2: Yeah, getting mail services correct is important :) |
| 21:37.22 | inthl | dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb count=1 bs=512 ...copies primary partitions only, not extended. any ideas how one could do that? |
| 21:37.57 | danols2 | bottom line this is what I learned and want to do - force TSL (no plain text) - and use PAM - than set up dovecat(?) for IMAP |
| 21:38.06 | jelly-home | inthl: it copies everything if you let it finish. |
| 21:38.16 | danols2 | got it working for receiving and sending locally |
| 21:38.21 | jelly-home | inthl: oh, count=1? |
| 21:38.31 | danols2 | babilen: would you recommend what I'm thinking ? |
| 21:39.00 | jelly-home | inthl: a simple way to clone a DOS partition table is using sfdisk: sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb |
| 21:39.04 | jhutchins_lt | danols2: I find a section containing "Authenticate against local passwords using sasl2-bin" in the template, suggest you review that. |
| 21:39.27 | inthl | sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb ...a is here the source and b the target? |
| 21:40.08 | jelly-home | inthl: yes. use a temporary file instead of a pipe if you wish |
| 21:41.02 | inthl | thank you |
| 21:46.20 | jhutchins_lt | !dovecot |
| 21:46.20 | dpkg | Dovecot is an IMAP/POP3 server, written with security in mind. Easy to set up and fast, supports <mbox> and <maildir>. See also /usr/share/doc/dovecot-{common,imapd,pop3d}/README.Debian. http://wiki.dovecot.org/ http://www.dovecot.org/ #dovecot on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 21:47.58 | jhutchins_lt | danols2: Often people use dovecot as the tls backend: http://wiki1.dovecot.org/HowTo |
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| 21:54.32 | joe6 | debian intel chipset, the max volume is too low. Any suggestions, please? |
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| 22:02.50 | joe6 | detailed "lspci -v" output: http://pastebin.com/yhWwjQcr |
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| 22:06.03 | berserkr | hi all |
| 22:06.38 | dondon | i dunno. using alsa? |
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| 22:11.13 | BATi | joe6: have you tried alsamixer? |
| 22:11.28 | dondon | joe6: if youre using alsa try the alsamixer master volume |
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| 22:12.10 | dondon | lol. nm |
| 22:13.08 | joe6 | have tried alsamixer. everything is maxed out |
| 22:13.17 | joe6 | i am just trying pulseaudio |
| 22:13.23 | joe6 | any other suggestions, please? |
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| 22:15.15 | bronaugh | joe6: are things unmuted? |
| 22:15.18 | bronaugh | (separate from vol control) |
| 22:15.39 | joe6 | bronaugh, everything is unmuted |
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| 22:15.55 | bronaugh | joe6: what does aplay -l list? |
| 22:15.59 | bronaugh | 1 device or 2? |
| 22:16.07 | tabakhase | <- birthday \o/ |
| 22:16.09 | BATi | joe6: hmmm... any difference playing sound using aplay and via pulse audio? or external speakers? |
| 22:16.11 | OmegaApeX | does anyone know mirc scripting? |
| 22:16.15 | bronaugh | tabakhase: happy bady :P |
| 22:16.17 | bronaugh | bday |
| 22:16.18 | tabakhase | OmegaApeX i do |
| 22:16.28 | tabakhase | bronaugh thanks, your 5th ;-) |
| 22:16.36 | joe6 | bronaugh, http://pastebin.com/T2Z2Fzc5 |
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| 22:17.15 | bronaugh | joe6: ok, so you have a digital output as a separate device. |
| 22:17.19 | bronaugh | joe6: you're using the analog, right? |
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| 22:17.37 | joe6 | BATi, i am not sure how to use pulse audio. will check up on it. |
| 22:17.43 | joe6 | bronaugh, let me check. |
| 22:18.45 | BATi | joe6: same as aplay, but use paplay :) |
| 22:18.53 | joe6 | bronaugh, is there a way that I can export all the alsamixer settings as text? |
| 22:19.39 | bronaugh | joe6: you could just make yourself a real big terminal window and screenshot it |
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| 22:20.02 | tabakhase | screenshoting terminal m( |
| 22:20.04 | bronaugh | amixer scontrols |
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| 22:20.24 | bronaugh | or amixer controls |
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| 22:21.05 | joe6 | bronaugh, here are the settings http://pastebin.com/SN6ZvpVr |
| 22:21.12 | BATi | joe6: cat /var/lib/alsa/asound.state |
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| 22:21.41 | bronaugh | ok, that's just the controls, not the values... |
| 22:21.54 | bronaugh | amixer contents |
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| 22:23.11 | joe6 | bronaugh, http://pastebin.com/3NNh6cpF |
| 22:23.20 | gpm | hi. i'm trying to use grub-mklayout to make a dvorak one (using a file i generated with ckbcomp us dvorak) but when i do it says "Unknown keycode 0x79" (no quotes). I'm lost. Any clues? |
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| 22:24.22 | bronaugh | joe6: mixer looks fine. |
| 22:24.31 | BATi | bronaugh: values are there too f.ex. "control.3 ......... value.0 64 value.1 64 ... |
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| 22:25.05 | bronaugh | BATi: yes, in the second paste they are. not in the 1st. |
| 22:26.14 | joe6 | BATi, http://pastebin.com/FgM4ss2c |
| 22:26.25 | BATi | bronaugh: eh... missed the first paste... |
| 22:26.42 | joe6 | BATi, cat /var/lib/alsa/asound.state http://pastebin.com/FgM4ss2c |
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| 22:28.51 | bronaugh | joe6: does the same physical configuration work in another OS? |
| 22:28.58 | bronaugh | because that's my first suspect here. |
| 22:29.03 | joe6 | bronaugh, no idea. |
| 22:29.11 | bronaugh | ie: might have speaker in wrong jack, speakers might not be turned on |
| 22:29.19 | bronaugh | could be front vs rear audio hooked up... |
| 22:29.24 | BATi | joe6: well, seems ok to me... |
| 22:29.27 | bronaugh | could be physically unwired / miswired. |
| 22:29.29 | joe6 | bronaugh, actually, it worked when I had windows on it. |
| 22:29.39 | bronaugh | joe6: how long ago was that? |
| 22:29.48 | bronaugh | seriously. I'd look -very- carefully at the physical configuration here. |
| 22:30.09 | joe6 | bronaugh, a few months ago. I am using headphones. I can hear the sound, but it is not loud enough |
| 22:30.23 | berserkr | i have a little question about stable and testing versions of debian. In the company where I work, we have debian on the production servers and they want to migrate all the rest of PC to debian and i wanna know if is a good idea to use the testing version instead stable version? |
| 22:30.30 | bronaugh | ok. you're using headphones, and you -can- hear? |
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| 22:30.48 | joe6 | bronaugh, yes, I can hear the sound |
| 22:30.56 | joe6 | bronaugh, but it is not loud enough |
| 22:31.10 | babilen | joe6: Just to get this straight (as I think that a lot of helper are unaware of that) - You have sound, but it is just not loud enough? |
| 22:31.18 | bronaugh | check that the headphone jack is fully inserted into the socket and then check the wires on the headphone jack. |
| 22:31.22 | babilen | argh, redundant question is redundant |
| 22:31.31 | joe6 | babilen, yes, I have sound, but it is NOT loud enough. |
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| 22:31.54 | bronaugh | this is almost certainly a physical problem. |
| 22:32.15 | joe6 | bronaugh, I have done the "check wire connection" . I even tried the jack in the back vs the jack in the front. |
| 22:32.27 | joe6 | bronaugh, I need something that can amplify the noise |
| 22:32.37 | babilen | joe6: Can you try it with a regular amplifier? Is the wiring OK? Are your headphones loud enough if connected to other devices? |
| 22:33.01 | bronaugh | joe6: could it be that you have the headphones in the line out jack not the headphone jack? |
| 22:33.10 | joe6 | babilen, yes, I have tried the headphones with other devices and they can get loud enough. |
| 22:33.29 | babilen | joe6: wonderful -- Do you use pulseaudio? |
| 22:33.36 | berserkr | anyone can help me with this? |
| 22:33.40 | babilen | joe6: How do you test the sound? |
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| 22:33.59 | joe6 | bronaugh, there are 2 holes, one has no audio and with the other I can hear sound. |
| 22:34.02 | bronaugh | berserkr: depends on tolerance of screwups. I'd run testing, but I'm not really afraid of much. |
| 22:34.08 | babilen | berserkr: It is not a good idea to migrate production machines to testing |
| 22:34.15 | joe6 | babilen, no, I have not figured out how to use pulseaudio |
| 22:34.21 | bronaugh | joe6: two holes where? |
| 22:34.23 | joe6 | babilen, I am about to do that. |
| 22:34.29 | bronaugh | joe6: is this a laptop? |
| 22:34.43 | joe6 | bronaugh, in the front of the pc, into which the headphones jack can plug in. |
| 22:34.55 | bronaugh | joe6: ok. there'll also be three jacks in the back. try those. |
| 22:35.00 | bronaugh | three+ |
| 22:35.00 | joe6 | babilen. I have a .flv playing in vlc. |
| 22:35.09 | babilen | joe6: Ok, If you had I would have suggested to check the pulseaudio volumes too -- Is it loud enough if you raise the volume to, say, 120% in vlc? |
| 22:35.28 | joe6 | bronaugh, tried them, same result. I am using the similar coloured jack (both in the front and back) |
| 22:35.48 | bronaugh | joe6: okay. |
| 22:35.53 | babilen | joe6: Could you also try different files ... might be that flv :-\ -- but I am basically out of ideas. Never had this particular problem before. |
| 22:36.05 | joe6 | babilen, i have the vlc audio raised to max and I can barely hear the sound |
| 22:36.10 | berserkr | babilen: are not really production systems. I meant the pc not servers |
| 22:36.14 | bronaugh | joe6: does the volume level on your headphones change when you change mixer levels? |
| 22:36.57 | joe6 | bronaugh, yes, when I reduce the master levels, the sound volume goes down |
| 22:37.11 | babilen | berserkr: Still machines people will work with? And it is not much of a question right now anyway as a lot of *huge* transitions are ongoing/boung to happen soon in wheezy. I would strongly recommend not to use it on any machine that is important. |
| 22:37.13 | bronaugh | what about the PCM levels? |
| 22:37.37 | joe6 | bronaugh, anything below the dB gain of 0, I can barely hear the sound. |
| 22:37.50 | bronaugh | so both do affect loudness. |
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| 22:38.06 | joe6 | bronaugh, with the pcm, it affects the sound, but the decrease is more gradual |
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| 22:38.42 | joe6 | bronaugh, yes, both master and pcm affects the sound. |
| 22:38.55 | bronaugh | joe6: ok. I'm out of ideas. |
| 22:39.04 | bronaugh | other than "try a pulse audio mixer" |
| 22:39.05 | joe6 | bronaugh, the pcm is more gradual |
| 22:39.07 | babilen | joe6: And you tried different media? |
| 22:39.19 | joe6 | let me try the pulseaudio mixer |
| 22:39.27 | bronaugh | and listen to babilen |
| 22:39.54 | babilen | (not with your headphones though) |
| 22:40.13 | joe6 | babilen, let me try the pulseaudio |
| 22:40.15 | bronaugh | :P |
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| 22:41.01 | babilen | I doubt that will make a difference. Do you test it with a single media file and a single player? Or did you try different files and players? |
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| 22:41.55 | bobdul | mtx_init: hey |
| 22:42.13 | joe6 | babilen, I tried with youtube videos and some websites with videos. |
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| 22:44.07 | joe6 | i am trying to setup pulseaudio, and I see this in the manpage "To activate the driver edit /etc/asound.conf" |
| 22:44.14 | joe6 | but, I cannot find the asound.conf |
| 22:44.18 | babilen | joe6: Do you have a non-flash thing that might produce sound? Try: "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav" any difference? |
| 22:44.56 | joe6 | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 22:44.56 | joe6 | aplay: main:654: audio open error: Device or resource busy |
| 22:45.06 | joe6 | babilen, that is what I get when I tried it. |
| 22:45.10 | joe6 | let me try as root |
| 22:45.29 | joe6 | same result |
| 22:45.29 | bronaugh | the video you're playing back has locked the device. |
| 22:45.35 | bronaugh | close video, try again. |
| 22:45.41 | babilen | joe6: Just create it -- You want something like: http://paste.debian.net/115186/ in there -- Use "pavucontrol" to adjust volumes |
| 22:46.02 | joe6 | babilen, it says "front center" |
| 22:46.17 | babilen | joe6: Yes, expected outcome. Is the volume level OK? |
| 22:46.32 | joe6 | no, it is mild. let me use pavucontrol |
| 22:46.46 | berserkr | babilen: thanks. i point. |
| 22:46.52 | joe6 | when do you add that? to /etc/asound.conf? |
| 22:46.59 | joe6 | should I create the file? |
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| 22:47.20 | joe6 | babilen, did you mean that I create /etc/asound.conf |
| 22:47.27 | babilen | joe6: yes |
| 22:47.29 | joe6 | babilen, with the pasted configuration? |
| 22:47.34 | joe6 | babilen, ok, will do |
| 22:47.50 | babilen | !tell joe6 about pulseaudio |
| 22:48.18 | berserkr | babilen: but... if going to install the testing version, we will have more security than windows xp or windows vista?, yep? |
| 22:48.46 | babilen | berserkr: testing does not receive security support right now |
| 22:49.15 | babilen | berserkr: Just use the stable version -- You can use backports if you need newer software. Anything else is a bad idea. |
| 22:49.24 | berserkr | oks |
| 22:49.43 | berserkr | thank you again |
| 22:49.44 | berserkr | xP |
| 22:50.14 | babilen | berserkr: Don't use it right now -- It is extremely unstable (in the debian sense) right now and will break. |
| 22:50.32 | babilen | !tell berserkr about backports |
| 22:50.36 | babilen | !tell berserkr about ssb |
| 22:50.41 | babilen | !tell berserkr about overview |
| 22:50.46 | babilen | !tell berserkr about stable |
| 22:50.51 | joe6 | babilen, after I added the asound.conf, I get http://pastebin.com/ehFBfXBm |
| 22:50.59 | babilen | berserkr: Sorry for the spam, but I am lazy and didn't want to type all that :) |
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| 22:51.11 | berserkr | xD |
| 22:51.13 | berserkr | thanks :P |
| 22:52.12 | babilen | joe6: pulseaudio installed and running? |
| 22:52.50 | joe6 | babilen, let me just reboot the system and checkup on pulseaudio |
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| 22:54.25 | joe6 | babilen, how do I check if pulseaudio is running? |
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| 22:56.14 | babilen | joe6: "ps -aux|grep pulseaudio" or just "service pulseaudio restart" should do the trick |
| 22:56.18 | joe6 | esdcompat --help |
| 22:56.19 | joe6 | pulseaudio esd wrapper 0.9.21-rebootstrapped-dirty |
| 22:56.30 | ZykoticK9 | joe6, i'm sure you should see something from "ps aux | grep pulse" can't verify as pulse isn't installed right now on my system |
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| 22:57.33 | joe6 | http://pastebin.com/ts5AuXrx |
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| 22:58.05 | joe6 | http://pastebin.com/HsER80f7 |
| 22:58.29 | joe6 | let me check with #pulseaudio and get pulseaudio running. |
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| 22:59.09 | babilen | joe6: "set -x" in the second line in the init script of PA would be good, then run "service pulseaudio start" |
| 23:00.02 | babilen | joe6: Or just do it manually: /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog |
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| 23:01.43 | joe6 | babilen, how can I start it with a different user? I can see the user pulse created in /etc/passwd |
| 23:01.55 | joe6 | babilen, but, I am not sure how I can start the service with that user-id |
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| 23:02.42 | babilen | joe6: just run it as your user |
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| 23:04.16 | joe6 | babilen, I have pulseaudio started : joe 16176 1 0 19:06 ? 00:00:00 pulseaudio --start |
| 23:04.24 | joe6 | now, I cannot hear anything. |
| 23:04.39 | joe6 | babilen, should I be running aplay as root? |
| 23:04.58 | joe6 | babilen, i ran "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav" as the user joe |
| 23:05.21 | joe6 | babilen, http://pastebin.com/R4Pq2WeC |
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| 23:07.18 | joe6 | babilen, still, no luck. |
| 23:07.20 | joe6 | http://pastebin.com/beThqBxN |
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| 23:07.52 | RavenHursT | chown user:group directory will change both.. how do I do just the group? |
| 23:08.18 | daemonkeeper | chgrp |
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| 23:08.36 | daemonkeeper | chown user:group is just a shortcut for lazy people |
| 23:08.38 | joe6 | babilen, I am checking with #pulseaudio on that |
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| 23:28.07 | Jamp | Good night |
| 23:28.50 | crilly | OK, how can I define who can use 'su'? I've basically got my self a Debian Linux VPS and I've done the locking down of ssh (changed the port, disabled root access and only allow certain groups. I've also disabled password auth and replaced it strictly with keypass auth only). Next I want to restrict who can now 'su' to root. I'm not interested in sudo. |
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| 23:29.08 | keimov | hi |
| 23:29.14 | crilly | Hello. |
| 23:29.15 | JamezQ | anyone can use su, do you mean sudo |
| 23:29.16 | JamezQ | ? |
| 23:29.26 | JamezQ | hmm, sorry ,reread. |
| 23:29.37 | crilly | JamezQ: No, I mean 'su'. I've been on systems in the past th... oh OK. Do you know what I mean now? |
| 23:29.42 | JamezQ | Yea |
| 23:30.19 | crilly | I thought perhaps defining making the executable owned by the 'staff' group, putting my self and root in that group, and only allowing the owner and that group exeuction permission? |
| 23:30.21 | JamezQ | well, you can change the permissions on the su file in /usr/bin or wherever it is |
| 23:30.26 | JamezQ | yes |
| 23:30.34 | keimov | I'm a new user of linux, where can I start learning? |
| 23:30.35 | JamezQ | that should work |
| 23:30.53 | crilly | JamezQ: I thought so. I just wanted some confirmation. |
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| 23:31.27 | crilly | keimov: Welcome to the community. There are loads of places to pickup tips and tricks. I would suggest Google and searching for a basic Linux guide/tutorial. |
| 23:31.29 | petemc | crilly: you can create a wheel group and only allow users in that group to su |
| 23:31.40 | JamezQ | crilly: Yea, test it although there might be other ways to su then just su |
| 23:31.47 | JamezQ | to switch user then just su* |
| 23:32.06 | keimov | thanks crilly |
| 23:32.30 | JamezQ | like manually changing the "something", eh, I'm not sure what, but someone who knows more about unix might know |
| 23:32.44 | crilly | petemc: Well the 'su' binary is currently owned by root and the group root, so what I said is exactly the same. |
| 23:32.54 | petemc | what? |
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| 23:33.01 | KBme | anyone know how i can enable ipv6 for an apache2 virtual host? |
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| 23:33.30 | crilly | petemc: Adding my self to wheel won't do anything, as the 'su' binary isn't owned by the wheel group. it won't change anything. |
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| 23:34.04 | petemc | crilly: you configure pam to only allow members of the wheel group to su |
| 23:34.09 | stegbth | hello everybody |
| 23:34.14 | petemc | what you're suggesting sounds like a good way to break your system |
| 23:34.37 | stegbth | i migrated a physical debian lenny with a livecd to a vmware esxi host |
| 23:34.47 | stegbth | i rewrote the grub without any errors |
| 23:35.18 | stegbth | but when booting the server it stops when loading grub at stage 1.5 Error2 selected disk not found |
| 23:35.27 | stegbth | what is with selected disk meant? |
| 23:36.02 | nsadmin2 | stage 1.5 is meant to find stage2 by name |
| 23:36.32 | nsadmin2 | look at your device.map |
| 23:37.31 | nsadmin2 | also look at the root commands in menu.lst |
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| 23:37.34 | crilly | petemc: Oh I see. OK. I will give that a try. |
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| 23:40.26 | stegbth | hm, there was hdb listed, this i removed |
| 23:41.08 | Sashi | http://pastebin.com/baspzLn6 < windows refuses to mount the specified nfs share, spits out its invaild |
| 23:41.09 | stegbth | with menu.lst you mean groot |
| 23:41.14 | stegbth | ? |
| 23:43.53 | stegbth | my root partition is /dev/sda1 |
| 23:44.11 | stegbth | groot is set to #groot=(hd0,0) |
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| 23:44.19 | Cube`` | hey, is there a way to make tar remove the original archive after extracting? |
| 23:44.28 | stegbth | my device.map looks like (hd0) /dev/sda |
| 23:45.03 | stegbth | but grub does not find its disk to boot from |
| 23:45.43 | Sashi | anyone know my problem? |
| 23:46.15 | stegbth | where does grub now if it has to look for /grub/menu.lst or /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
| 23:46.25 | dondelelcaro | Cube``: tar -zxf foo.tar.gz; rm foo.tar.gz; |
| 23:48.29 | stegbth | nsadmin2: i mounted /dev/sda1 on /target (mounted dev and proc to target, and rewrote grub to the disk with |
| 23:48.38 | stegbth | device (hd0) /dev/sda |
| 23:48.41 | stegbth | root (hd0,0) |
| 23:48.45 | stegbth | setup (hd0) |
| 23:48.49 | stegbth | there was no error |
| 23:48.55 | stegbth | but it wont boot |
| 23:49.01 | Cube`` | dondelelcaro: yes but what if it fails at extracting? then you would neither have all the files, nor the original .tar file to use :( |
| 23:49.17 | dondelelcaro | Cube``: so use && |
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| 23:49.28 | stegbth | nsadmin2: even when doing setup (hd0) it finds /boot/grub/stage1 and stage2 |
| 23:49.33 | Sazpaimon | so I have a process running in an ssh that's taking a pretty long time and I need to leave where I am. Is there a way to make this go to a screen so it can continue working and I can read its progress after i close my ssh session |
| 23:49.38 | Sazpaimon | preferably without stopping the process |
| 23:49.50 | Cube`` | dondelelcaro: kthx |
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| 23:50.52 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: there's a bit of a hack called screenify which sortof does that. see http://tomaw.net/tmp/screenify |
| 23:51.08 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: but I don't know if it still works (and it's certianly hackish) |
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| 23:52.06 | Sazpaimon | dondelelcaro, already got a syntax error starting it |
| 23:52.26 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 23:52.38 | Sazpaimon | screenify: 3: Syntax error: "(" unexpected |
| 23:52.39 | Sazpaimon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:52.51 | dondelelcaro | it probably has bashisms in it |
| 23:53.15 | Sazpaimon | you're right. why he put sh in the shebang line I have no idea |
| 23:53.19 | vahni | it seems "dpkg -P" did not remove the configuration files of arora... :( |
| 23:53.24 | Sazpaimon | i feel bad about this script already |
| 23:53.56 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: because /bin/sh is probably /bin/bash on his system |
| 23:54.01 | vahni | should not dpkg do that? |
| 23:54.24 | Sashi | !dpkg tell sashi kfreebsd |
| 23:54.40 | Sashi | uhh what was it |
| 23:54.42 | Sazpaimon | either it doesnt work or it's not working with processes that are called from the script |
| 23:54.42 | dondelelcaro | vahni: it will if the configuration files are actually in arora, and they are conffiles or arora's postrm is correct |
| 23:54.59 | dondelelcaro | it may not work; I haven't tested it recently |
| 23:55.06 | Sazpaimon | because i had it redirect the pid of my build script, but gcc is still outputting to my tty |
| 23:55.38 | stegbth | my system wont boot after rsync from physical to an esxi free system |
| 23:55.50 | vahni | Sashi thanks :) and what to do about the rest? just manually search and delete it? (try to) |
| 23:55.55 | stegbth | grub shows me an error 2 on Stage1.5 |
| 23:56.07 | stegbth | i checked my device.map and menu.lst |
| 23:56.20 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: you have to run it from inside of screen |
| 23:56.27 | Sazpaimon | dondelelcaro, that's what I did |
| 23:56.28 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: it connects a process to the current pty |
| 23:56.31 | stegbth | i wrote it new with grub, no change |
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| 23:56.48 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, that's what it's supposed to do) |
| 23:56.51 | crilly | petemc: OK, I have configured PAM to only allow users in the 'staff' group (which root and my user are in) to use 'su'. That being said, I can run 'su' from my other user, but I can't seem to actually su because it's not accepting the password which I know is right. |
| 23:56.54 | stegbth | have somebody a tip for me where to search further? |
| 23:57.05 | Sazpaimon | i do get an error though: tail: /proc/32032/stat: file truncated |
| 23:58.12 | Sazpaimon | okay nevermind, the build process errored out anyway, I can safely continue in a screen now |
| 23:58.23 | Sazpaimon | wfm |
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| 23:59.13 | H2S04 | Sazpaimon, if you're using bash don't forget about disown |
| 23:59.28 | H2S04 | Sazpaimon, can background a process disown it and log out ;D |
| 23:59.42 | Sazpaimon | H2S04, but how will i attach to it? |