| 00:00.03 | Sazpaimon | and disown is for job ideas |
| 00:00.07 | Sazpaimon | not pids |
| 00:00.16 | vahni | Sashi i was talking about Opera, not Arora, to be fair :) |
| 00:00.25 | crilly | petemc: I got it, never mind. I had accidently disabled SUID |
| 00:00.29 | Sazpaimon | but i suppose i can ctrl+z and fg <jobid> it. I don't know if that's particularly helpful though |
| 00:00.34 | H2S04 | Sazpaimon, yes. |
| 00:00.41 | H2S04 | You can reattach |
| 00:00.51 | H2S04 | ctrl+z |
| 00:00.58 | H2S04 | disown %<jobid> |
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| 00:01.04 | H2S04 | bg |
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| 00:01.32 | Sazpaimon | H2S04, then how can i reattach it to another tty? |
| 00:01.40 | Sazpaimon | do I just bg/fg <jobid>? |
| 00:02.41 | keimov | bye |
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| 00:03.50 | H2S04 | Sazpaimon, fairly certain. |
| 00:04.04 | H2S04 | Sazpaimon, that's for bash though. |
| 00:04.09 | H2S04 | the built in disown. |
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| 00:06.33 | vahni | Sashi thanks for hinting me at postrm ... :) |
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| 00:15.06 | project2501b | last night a sysadmin saved my life... |
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| 00:15.46 | karlpinc | donate to the fund for decrepit and obsolete sysadms now! |
| 00:16.10 | project2501b | karlpinc: alt.sysadmin.recovery ? |
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| 00:16.21 | Arrowmaster | Sazpaimon: you cant disown a process and reattach it to another tty, you need to use something like screen |
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| 00:21.56 | daedhel | hey |
| 00:22.05 | danols2 | is it possible for exim4 to pull through pop3 my old emails from another account ? I want to do it one time only |
| 00:22.06 | daedhel | ive been trying to install debian for 2 days |
| 00:22.10 | danols2 | or is there another way ? |
| 00:22.16 | daedhel | i get a debootstrat error |
| 00:22.34 | daedhel | and a blood pressure record |
| 00:23.35 | daedhel | anyone seent that^ |
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| 00:24.20 | project2501b | danols2: fetchmail |
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| 00:24.42 | danols2 | project2501b: I can set it up to import the email to my Maildir ? |
| 00:24.51 | project2501b | yes. if you read the man page. |
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| 00:25.04 | danols2 | cool thanks |
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| 00:48.06 | Saz|Mobile | anyone know of an ips rom patcher? I know of JPS, but I can't use java |
| 00:48.56 | bronaugh | well; there's IPS |
| 00:49.01 | bronaugh | which comes w/Pascal source. |
| 00:49.07 | Datz | Hi, I'm having an issue resolving addresses with wget, can someone help me? http://pastebin.com/E9DeGZSE |
| 00:49.19 | bronaugh | can compile it using freepascal |
| 00:49.25 | bronaugh | http://www.zophar.net/utilities/patchutil.html |
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| 01:01.26 | Saz|Mobile | bronaugh, gotta see if maemo has freepascal |
| 01:01.39 | Nomad | I'm using Squeeze 6.0.1, does any know if there's an issue with Synaptic Package Manger? When I reload I get a "could not download all repository idexes." |
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| 01:02.58 | Saz|Mobile | apt-cache has failed me |
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| 01:15.52 | Nomad | what happend to Guest 956? LOL |
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| 01:18.32 | Datz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:21.17 | Nomad | I would help if I knew Datz. wondering myself why I get a "could not download all repository idexes" from synaptic package manager |
| 01:22.49 | Nomad | like to get chromium and avoid the old 6.0 version |
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| 01:25.02 | Datz | ah, thanks anyway Nomad |
| 01:25.28 | Nomad | sure, I'll have to skin my problem some other way?? |
| 01:25.50 | Saz|Mobile | well i found an ips.pl on that page that did the trick, no compiling needed |
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| 01:27.34 | Nomad | oh well, peace to you 1044 users out there! |
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| 01:29.18 | thelandyman | hello all... wondering if anyone can answer some ZFS related questions for me... I have a server at home that's currently FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE and I'm considering migrating to Debian.. |
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| 01:32.42 | thelandyman | anyone alive out there? |
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| 01:34.56 | Corey | No. |
| 01:35.39 | thelandyman | haha |
| 01:35.58 | Corey | Datz: Check resolv.conf, and then strace the wget. |
| 01:36.25 | mosno | thelandyman: perhaps try #debian-kbsd on OFTC |
| 01:37.44 | Datz | thanks Corey |
| 01:39.51 | Datz | Corey: does this looke extremely misconfigured for resolv.conf? http://pastebin.com/SDCesTDR |
| 01:40.50 | dvs | Datz: "belkin" is a weird name for a domain, but it'll still work. |
| 01:40.57 | Datz | ok |
| 01:41.11 | Datz | so the problem lies not there |
| 01:41.19 | Datz | looks up strace on wikipedia |
| 01:41.31 | dvs | Datz: I think it's the nameserver itself. |
| 01:42.08 | Datz | ah ( I think) |
| 01:42.17 | Corey | dvs: Unlikely. |
| 01:42.34 | Datz | I have a belkin router. It may have been a default when installing |
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| 01:46.56 | Datz | shouldn't this give me output? strace wget http://cachechu.googlecode.com/files/cachechu-1.3.zip > ~/strace.txt |
| 01:47.04 | Datz | that file is empty |
| 01:47.56 | Datz | I also don't know what to look for |
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| 01:48.25 | daedhel | guys, I cant install debian no matter how I try |
| 01:48.40 | daedhel | i keep on getting this freaking debootstrap error |
| 01:48.48 | daedhel | and google gives me nothing about it |
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| 01:52.33 | hiexpo | hmm |
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| 01:53.30 | daedhel | nobody comes here to complain about this |
| 01:53.41 | daedhel | ? |
| 01:53.44 | daedhel | i mean |
| 01:53.56 | daedhel | i'm thinking about going back to Arch |
| 01:54.06 | daedhel | this is how desperate Iam |
| 01:54.23 | hiexpo | ? about Internet why no firefox and is the new accept firefox appps? |
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| 01:54.46 | Arrowmaster | daedhel: what is the error? |
| 01:55.08 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: tell hiexpo about iceweasel |
| 01:55.15 | mosno | daedhel: just curious, what made you leave Arch for Debian? |
| 01:55.27 | hiexpo | me too no debian support what so ever |
| 01:55.39 | daedhel | mosno: tired of losing time in meaningless configs |
| 01:56.00 | daedhel | mosno: debian = less config,more using |
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| 01:56.11 | mosno | daedhel: fair enough. |
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| 01:56.49 | daedhel | Arrowmaster: debootrap error, right after the partitionning, and right before the system install |
| 01:57.11 | Arrowmaster | need to know the specifics of the error |
| 01:57.17 | twobitsprite | hmm... the debian wheezy installer doesn't have the bc43 driver on it? |
| 01:57.17 | daedhel | something about "bad var %s" or something like this |
| 01:57.41 | Arrowmaster | what are you installing from? |
| 01:57.45 | twobitsprite | I know it's in the repos... is there a way to stick it in the installer iso, or loaded some other way? |
| 01:57.45 | daedhel | twobitsprite: bc43 driver is for what exactly |
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| 01:57.56 | twobitsprite | daedhel: broadcomm wireless |
| 01:58.10 | twobitsprite | ,version b43-fwcutter |
| 01:58.13 | daedhel | Arrowmaster: I have tried CD, usbstick |
| 01:58.15 | twobitsprite | ,versions b43-fwcutter |
| 01:58.18 | judd | Package b43-fwcutter on i386 -- lenny/contrib: 1:011-5; squeeze/contrib: 1:013-2; wheezy/contrib: 1:013-3; sid/contrib: 1:014-2 |
| 01:58.28 | Arrowmaster | twobitsprite: if its a non-free driver then you need to load it yourself during the install |
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| 01:58.46 | twobitsprite | Arrowmaster: any idea how to do that? |
| 01:58.52 | hiexpo | Hate to say it but ubuntu is giving better support now days > maybe that is why backtack is using ubuntu instead of debian |
| 01:58.55 | Arrowmaster | daedhel: debian squeeze 6.0.1 cd? |
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| 01:59.22 | daedhel | tensorpudding: maybe this can help |
| 01:59.25 | daedhel | http://linorg.usp.br/debian-raiz/cdimage-unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 02:00.09 | daedhel | Arrowmaster: testin weekly build mostly, but many other flavors too |
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| 02:00.31 | Arrowmaster | try squeeze 6.0.1 |
| 02:00.57 | Arrowmaster | weekly builds arent always stable |
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| 02:01.40 | daedhel | Arrowmaster: well, i want to end with a sid install... would you still suggest installing from squeeze ^ |
| 02:01.44 | daedhel | ? |
| 02:01.53 | twobitsprite | hiexpo: then why do so many ubuntu users come here looking for help and complaining that #ubuntu doesn't know anything? |
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| 02:02.18 | Arrowmaster | if the testing installer isnt working then yeah the stable on is about your only choice |
| 02:02.30 | daedhel | Arrowmaster: hm |
| 02:02.31 | daedhel | ok |
| 02:02.34 | daedhel | imma try |
| 02:02.43 | Bop | daedhel, there are ways to upgrade from stable to sid |
| 02:02.48 | Arrowmaster | you can upgrade it to sid later if you want to |
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| 02:03.09 | daedhel | Arrowmaster: don,t you get any other people complaining about this srly ? |
| 02:03.17 | Arrowmaster | first ive heard of it |
| 02:03.19 | Bop | i know someone how also gave that debootsrap erro |
| 02:03.21 | Bop | i know someone how also gave that debootsrap error |
| 02:03.25 | daedhel | Bop: yeah, but it feels... less... clean |
| 02:03.26 | Bop | so i guess its broken |
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| 02:03.46 | daedhel | heh |
| 02:03.46 | Arrowmaster | but its a weekly installer image, not many use it |
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| 02:04.15 | daedhel | never too sure if I shouldreport those bugs |
| 02:04.34 | Bop | daedhel, just install the base sistem , then change to sid repositories |
| 02:04.40 | Bop | you'll be ok |
| 02:05.01 | daedhel | i will.. feel.. dirty... |
| 02:05.11 | Bop | why ? |
| 02:05.13 | daedhel | guess im OCD |
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| 02:05.18 | Bop | all packages will be upgraded |
| 02:05.32 | daedhel | im joking basically Bop |
| 02:05.35 | daedhel | i know youre right |
| 02:05.36 | Bop | k |
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| 02:08.22 | mick_home | hi everyone, in the bios - what does it mean when it says D2D Recovery |
| 02:08.59 | mick_home | not 100% debian related - i know :) |
| 02:09.39 | daedhel | also, Arrowmaster do you happen to know an OP here, |
| 02:09.49 | daedhel | my host have been banned for ages |
| 02:09.55 | daedhel | never had time to ask why |
| 02:10.38 | Arrowmaster | i dont know whos available and whos not so im not going to bother them for something minor |
| 02:11.05 | daedhel | Arrowmaster: is there a list of the OPs somewhere ^ |
| 02:11.08 | Arrowmaster | they usually only get bothered when immediate attention is required |
| 02:11.10 | daedhel | most probably there is |
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| 02:11.36 | abidoun | hi |
| 02:12.11 | daedhel | hi |
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| 02:13.12 | mick_home | umm looks like some windows crap |
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| 02:13.30 | mick_home | i really hope my board is supported by coreboot |
| 02:14.28 | Tobsn | lets spread that PSN used centOS, whos with me? :D |
| 02:14.46 | mick_home | lol |
| 02:14.55 | Tobsn | its a very rare oppertunity... |
| 02:14.56 | mick_home | nono windows7 |
| 02:15.08 | mick_home | i agree |
| 02:15.25 | mick_home | lets target the right one |
| 02:15.27 | Tobsn | until PSN confirms in the chaos that its not centOS the damage would be done |
| 02:15.33 | babilen | suggests a different channel for that discussion ⦠|
| 02:15.41 | Tobsn | #haters is locked |
| 02:15.42 | Tobsn | :P |
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| 02:16.09 | mick_home | haha |
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| 02:18.32 | daedhel | you guys hate on centos ^ |
| 02:18.35 | daedhel | ??? |
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| 02:18.53 | daedhel | #msg nickserv identify daedhel H0nn3STly |
| 02:18.56 | abidoun | plz, some one help me with the command line for mounting an iso cd image? |
| 02:18.57 | abidoun | i want to mount it on my web root directory to show a friend some new fotos |
| 02:19.15 | hatter_ | it appears turning my computer off and moving it has somehow broken my gnome desktop, when gdm attempts it locks up the computer, where do i start fixing this problem ? |
| 02:19.35 | hatter_ | i have disabled gdm and have a console |
| 02:20.08 | NightMonkey | hatter_: Did you plug into a new LAN? |
| 02:20.22 | abidoun | hatter_: check whether your root or home partitions are full and spare some space |
| 02:20.36 | hatter_ | NightMonkey, yes! the default gateway changed |
| 02:20.41 | Arrowmaster | abidoun: mount -o loop /path/to/file.iso /path/to/mount |
| 02:20.46 | hatter_ | abidoun, no space problems |
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| 02:21.06 | abidoun | thanks arrow master |
| 02:21.08 | NightMonkey | hatter_: I don't know yet, but I'd guess that DNS might be having some trouble. |
| 02:21.12 | mick_home | daedhel: i almost feel bad for you |
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| 02:21.31 | mick_home | H0nn3STly |
| 02:21.36 | daedhel | fuckin keyboard |
| 02:21.37 | NightMonkey | hatter_: So, log in to the text console, and try "dig news.com" or "dig debian.org". |
| 02:21.41 | hatter_ | NightMonkey, the machine is connecting to the net, |
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| 02:21.57 | daedhel | mick_home: its an old one, nothing is associated to it |
| 02:22.02 | mick_home | daedhel: happened to me before - change anything that uses that NOW |
| 02:22.04 | dvs | daedhel: That's why I never "login" in a channel |
| 02:22.19 | mick_home | yeah |
| 02:22.26 | mick_home | always /win 1 first |
| 02:22.32 | daedhel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:22.35 | simonlnu | daedhel: i suggest you change your password |
| 02:22.35 | daedhel | right ^ |
| 02:22.38 | daedhel | ? |
| 02:22.50 | mick_home | try it - i forget |
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| 02:23.00 | daedhel | simonlnu: im trying man |
| 02:23.02 | NightMonkey | g0d?Ih0p3!n0!oN3%5335$this |
| 02:23.09 | hatter_ | NightMonkey, any other thoughts ? not sure how dns would affect the desktop... |
| 02:23.10 | DammitJim | if did a cp of my files to another computer, but now I want to use rsync, will rsync update the file dates and such if I just do an rsync -av ? or will that only update files that are newer? |
| 02:23.11 | mick_home | lol |
| 02:23.13 | dvs | daedhel: /msg nickserv help to find the command. |
| 02:23.17 | simonlnu | /msg nickserv help |
| 02:23.18 | NightMonkey | hatter_: Did you try my tests? |
| 02:23.31 | hatter_ | NightMonkey, yes they resolve |
| 02:23.50 | daedhel | dvs tried |
| 02:23.57 | NightMonkey | hatter_: Can you pastebin "dmesg -s 128000"? |
| 02:24.02 | daedhel | NightMonkey: you a black hat ? |
| 02:24.20 | dvs | daedhel: It's listed there in the "other commands" |
| 02:24.39 | hatter_ | nightmonkey, its full of this : rtc: lost 1 interrupt |
| 02:24.58 | NightMonkey | hatter_: Hrm. How old is this box? |
| 02:25.12 | daedhel | dvs if your talking about SETPASS, it does not work |
| 02:25.31 | hatter_ | nightmonkey, the rtc thing is caused by vmware |
| 02:25.45 | NightMonkey | hatter_: Oh, this is a virtual machine? |
| 02:25.46 | hatter_ | the box is not so old, its lenny with amd64 3.2Ghz |
| 02:25.57 | hatter_ | NightMonkey, no it runs a windows vm |
| 02:26.27 | dvs | daedhel: Ah, its /msg nickserv set password |
| 02:26.34 | NightMonkey | hatter_: Ah, I see. VMWare hypervisor is tryting to sync clock ticks. |
| 02:26.46 | hatter_ | NightMonkey, yep |
| 02:26.57 | NightMonkey | hatter_: So, please pastebin dmesg. |
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| 02:27.19 | NightMonkey | hatter_: And, is there anything in /var/log/messages regaring GDM? |
| 02:27.24 | hatter_ | NightMonkey, dmesg has pages and pages of the same thing, the rtc: lost 1 interrupt |
| 02:27.38 | NightMonkey | hatter_: All the way to the top, even with -s? |
| 02:27.38 | daedhel | dvs: thanks bro |
| 02:27.43 | dvs | np |
| 02:27.56 | mick_home | daedhel: be hapy that most of us here in #debian are really nice ppl :) |
| 02:28.15 | dvs | !lart mick_home |
| 02:28.16 | dpkg | cuts mick_home into thin stripes |
| 02:28.22 | dvs | ahahaha |
| 02:28.23 | mick_home | elitist yes, but we don't mess w/ you if you slip up your pw |
| 02:28.32 | NightMonkey | hatter_: And, you just booted this box? |
| 02:28.43 | NightMonkey | hatter_: That's a lot of message flooding going on. |
| 02:28.48 | hatter_ | NightMonkey, i just noticed i havent changed the kernel since changing cpus, i have just added the amd64 kernel and rebooting now |
| 02:29.00 | daedhel | mick_home: well, that wasnt really important really |
| 02:29.02 | daedhel | but |
| 02:29.03 | daedhel | yeah |
| 02:29.09 | daedhel | nice ppl here for sure |
| 02:29.12 | NightMonkey | Whoah. I dunno if that was what I'd do. :) |
| 02:29.30 | hatter_ | NightMonkey, so i did change something... didnt notice that i went from intel to amd... |
| 02:29.31 | NightMonkey | hatter_: But, we'll see, I guess. |
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| 02:33.10 | DammitJim | is doing rsync -r -a redundant? |
| 02:33.24 | hatter_ | NightMonkey, this looks like the problem : Xorg: vm86 mode not supported on 64 bit kernel |
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| 02:33.58 | NightMonkey | hatter_: Wow. All that from moving the computer? |
| 02:34.22 | hatter_ | NightMonkey, ...yeah i was sick with a cold and forgot i replaced the mobo |
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| 02:34.48 | NightMonkey | hatter_: Wow, that must have been some cold. OK, well, good travels. |
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| 02:35.10 | hatter_ | NightMonkey, it may have been some medication that made me woozy also. |
| 02:35.22 | NightMonkey | hatter_: Hope you saved some for the class. :) |
| 02:35.39 | hatter_ | NightMonkey, then the medication to get over the medication :) |
| 02:35.47 | NightMonkey | Indeed. |
| 02:35.51 | hatter_ | NightMonkey, sure theres plenty to go around! |
| 02:36.05 | NightMonkey | !drugs |
| 02:36.06 | dpkg | i guess drugs is what is packed into ody colon during vacation, or bad |
| 02:36.30 | hatter_ | 'ody colon' ??? |
| 02:36.38 | NightMonkey | Haah. |
| 02:36.51 | NightMonkey | Someone has been naughty with dpkg. |
| 02:37.11 | hatter_ | NightMonkey, thanks for your hekp |
| 02:37.20 | NightMonkey | hatter_: Sure, good luck! |
| 02:38.10 | NightMonkey | hatter_: You should tune that kernel for VMware, when you get a chance. |
| 02:39.02 | hatter_ | NightMonkey, good plan, i've not even looked into it before , is it just the log spamming that is the problem ? |
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| 02:40.59 | rahul | hi, is there some trick that's needed to make radeon work with the latest xserver-xorg? |
| 02:41.16 | dvs | rahul: not for me. |
| 02:41.19 | rahul | all I get is a blank screen... video is totally killed. SAK can't restore it |
| 02:41.28 | rahul | mouse, keyboard are all broken |
| 02:41.32 | dvs | rahul: firmware-linux-nonfree maybe. |
| 02:41.50 | NightMonkey | hatter_: Not just that. It also means that your guests might not be running very well, speed-wise. |
| 02:41.50 | rahul | dvs: ok, let me try that |
| 02:42.19 | hatter_ | NightMonkey, ok thanks |
| 02:42.23 | rahul | dvs: already have it |
| 02:42.25 | NightMonkey | hatter_: But, depending on how much the log is spammed, that can put a crimp in your storage's style. |
| 02:42.53 | NightMonkey | hatter_: (and affect anything else that needs storage access) |
| 02:43.09 | NightMonkey | I'm a fan of calm logs. |
| 02:44.23 | Datz | Corey: I have the strace log of the wget command output. I'm not sure what to look for. the trace is pretty long. Do you think you might be able to sift and give me some insight? http://pastebin.com/AjKezDhy |
| 02:44.40 | rahul | hmm, maybe it's drm... how do I prevent the kernel from loading drm? |
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| 02:46.06 | m4ggus | rahul: passing nomodeset as kernel boot parameter worked on my ati x1100, but dunno if its the way to go :D |
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| 02:47.03 | Karen_m | after a change to /etc/network/interfaces, how do you run it without a reboot? |
| 02:47.22 | dvs | ifdown/ifup |
| 02:47.27 | rahul | Karen_m: you really should have done ifdown on the iface you were changing before changing the file |
| 02:47.45 | Karen_m | i"m connected remotely |
| 02:47.54 | rahul | um, good luck then :) |
| 02:48.10 | SaintStewart | /mode $me +x |
| 02:48.15 | SaintStewart | doh. |
| 02:48.28 | rahul | Karen_m: reboot may be safer than trying to ifdown/ifup |
| 02:48.42 | rahul | Karen_m: it really all depends on what kind of config you're changing |
| 02:49.00 | Karen_m | k |
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| 02:50.21 | rahul | ok, gonna try blacklisting radeon and nomodeset. bbl |
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| 03:01.35 | Karen_m | what is that scanner that checks all my ports again? |
| 03:01.46 | Karen_m | nmap? i can't remember, i think nmap checking that one |
| 03:02.26 | NightMonkey | Karen_m: nmap checks some ports, by default. Checking all would take a while. |
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| 03:02.46 | NightMonkey | Karen_m: apt-get nmap; man nmap |
| 03:03.11 | rahul | hmm, no luck with the nomodeset parameter |
| 03:03.23 | rahul | and blacklisting radeon just results in no screens found |
| 03:03.50 | Datz | maybe the forum would be better to deal with my problem |
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| 03:04.46 | NightMonkey | Datz: What's the question? |
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| 03:06.17 | Datz | NightMonkey: problems with wget: http://pastebin.com/E9DeGZSE strace: http://pastebin.com/AjKezDhy |
| 03:07.52 | NightMonkey | Datz: Does wget work from another host on the same network? |
| 03:08.16 | NightMonkey | Datz: Can you boot this host from a Live CD/USB and try wget there? |
| 03:08.18 | Datz | NightMonkey: yes |
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| 03:08.30 | Datz | NightMonkey: it's a VM |
| 03:08.53 | Datz | and wgt for another VM works fine |
| 03:09.02 | Datz | and the host has no network troubles at all |
| 03:09.18 | Datz | I can also use aptitude |
| 03:09.18 | NightMonkey | Datz: What's /etc/resolv.conf look like? |
| 03:09.31 | Datz | http://pastebin.com/SDCesTDR |
| 03:09.34 | Karen_m | I have 2 ports open, 111/tcp rpcbind and .. 49213/tcp unknown. (rpc.statd).. should I be concerned about these? |
| 03:09.38 | Datz | should have posted that one too :) |
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| 03:10.06 | NightMonkey | Datz: Can you "telnet cachechu.googlecode.com 80" and get an answer, and do a "GET /"<cr><cr>? |
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| 03:10.41 | Datz | telnet: could not resolve cachechu.googlecode.com/80: Name or service not known |
| 03:10.57 | NightMonkey | Datz: No slash. |
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| 03:11.04 | Datz | humm |
| 03:11.19 | Datz | there wasn't one when I pasted it |
| 03:11.44 | NightMonkey | Datz: Ah, sorry, that's telnet. :/ |
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| 03:12.07 | NightMonkey | Datz: "telnet news.com 80"? |
| 03:12.35 | Datz | telnet: could not resolve news.com/80: Name or service not known |
| 03:12.53 | NightMonkey | Datz: Sounds like your resolver is sad. |
| 03:13.00 | rahul | Datz: can you ping your dns server? |
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| 03:13.31 | NightMonkey | Datz: Remove or comment those "domain" and "search" lines in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 03:13.40 | NightMonkey | Datz: Then try again. |
| 03:13.52 | Datz | NightMonkey: ok I'll try that |
| 03:13.52 | rahul | um if it's a VM, should the host OS be set up as a router? |
| 03:14.04 | rahul | and have virtual ifaces to the VMs? |
| 03:14.12 | Karen_m | do you need to run portmap? |
| 03:14.30 | Datz | rahul: it's set up as a bridged adaptor |
| 03:14.45 | rahul | Datz: is it set up to get an IP address? |
| 03:14.52 | Datz | rahul: yes |
| 03:14.55 | rahul | Datz: i.e., dhcp? |
| 03:15.02 | Datz | yes |
| 03:15.24 | rahul | Datz: and you have bridging fully configured in the host? |
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| 03:15.55 | Datz | rahul: I think so, Vbot |
| 03:15.59 | Datz | box |
| 03:16.09 | Datz | it works fine for all my other VMs |
| 03:16.29 | rahul | Datz: try a traceroute to your host OS's primary IP |
| 03:16.35 | Datz | I also had a problem with ipv6 and had to use !noipv6 |
| 03:16.39 | Datz | ok |
| 03:16.48 | Datz | let me try what NightMonkey suggested first |
| 03:17.03 | Datz | NightMonkey: /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
| 03:17.16 | Datz | after changing resolve.conf? |
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| 03:18.30 | Datz | it's stuck now at DHCPRELEASE on eth0 to 192.168.2.1 port 67 after that command |
| 03:18.34 | Datz | heh |
| 03:18.37 | Datz | oh wait |
| 03:18.47 | Datz | I forgot I logged in via putty |
| 03:19.06 | un214 | heh |
| 03:19.06 | un214 | yeah |
| 03:19.31 | Datz | :) |
| 03:20.06 | Datz | NightMonkey: ok, now eth0 doesn't show when I run ifconfig |
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| 03:21.33 | DammitJim | man, how sweet is it to install debian in a Buffalo Linkstation :D |
| 03:21.57 | ggoes | Does anyone have any experience building a personal ffmpeg? There are certain settings that I need that neither Debian nor Debian-Multimedia have. It builds successfully. I'd like to use checkinstall to make a package, but that makes packages that depend on things like libavcodec an absolute nightmare. |
| 03:22.26 | un214 | it fits?!? |
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| 03:25.10 | wisconsin | hi, why does apt-cache not show udeb packages like http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libc6-udeb? |
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| 03:32.21 | DammitJim | un214, of course! |
| 03:32.48 | Datz | rahul: by run a traceroute on my hosts primary IP, do you mean the private address of the VM? |
| 03:33.23 | DammitJim | wisconsin, do you mean libc6-udev? |
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| 03:34.17 | wisconsin | DammitJim, no, i really want the installer components :-) |
| 03:34.28 | wisconsin | DammitJim, this does the trick: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian squeeze main/debian-installer |
| 03:34.30 | Datz | good ol WI |
| 03:34.30 | DammitJim | oh |
| 03:34.39 | rahul | Datz: I mean the external address of the hist |
| 03:34.40 | rahul | host |
| 03:35.06 | wisconsin | Datz, you can call me "madison" |
| 03:35.17 | Datz | ok madison |
| 03:35.28 | Datz | is from milwaukee |
| 03:35.39 | Datz | rahul: ok, let me try |
| 03:35.52 | dvs | ok, green bay |
| 03:37.13 | Datz | w00t |
| 03:37.38 | Datz | rahul: this? http://pastebin.com/Pb7AUEvw |
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| 03:45.54 | rahul | Datz: well, that much looks ok. maybe your router is refusing to forward further? try traceroute to something at your isp |
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| 03:56.02 | rahul | ok, I've figured it out... the X server is working fine video-wise. I started some clients and it shows them. however, it does not set up the input devices. |
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| 03:56.14 | rahul | how is the xorg.conf generated? |
| 03:56.39 | dvs | rahul: in squeeze, it isn't |
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| 03:57.55 | rahul | dvs: yeah, it's just probed and combined with what's in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d, right? |
| 03:58.04 | rahul | except that the man page doesn't list that location as one that is searched |
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| 03:59.07 | rahul | basically, how do I get input devices to work with recent xorg? |
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| 04:00.41 | MrFrood | Xorg -configure will generate an xorg.conf |
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| 04:02.02 | simonlnu | rahul: hi |
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| 04:03.39 | rahul | hi |
| 04:03.44 | rahul | simonlnu: what's the lnu? |
| 04:03.59 | simonlnu | "L'nu" |
| 04:04.24 | rahul | as opposed to l'gnu |
| 04:04.31 | d1ngle3erry | Hi. I needed some help getting my squeeze box to wake from sleep. The required usb devices are enabled in /prox/acpi/wakeup, and is setup in /etc/rc.local but I just cannot get it to wake using the keyboard. Any help would be great. Thanks |
| 04:04.34 | simonlnu | bah-dum-tssh |
| 04:04.39 | rahul | !! |
| 04:04.39 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 04:05.15 | simonlnu | ok, daily show on. bbl, maybe |
| 04:05.19 | rahul | heh |
| 04:05.21 | rahul | later |
| 04:06.54 | Eightamrock | Hey guys, quick security question |
| 04:07.13 | rahul | I guess my evdev driver is broken |
| 04:08.05 | Eightamrock | I have a lenny install, created a user and have files being served from /home/username/subfolders |
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| 04:08.43 | Eightamrock | previously the webroot was var/www but i changed it to the users home directories to control who could write to where |
| 04:09.11 | Eightamrock | is this not a good practice? |
| 04:09.41 | d1ngle3erry | eightamrock: no not if you are using apache, look at mod_userdir for the right way to do it |
| 04:09.50 | rahul | Eightamrock: you might start serving stuff accidentally that way. what d1ngle3erry said. |
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| 04:10.30 | rahul | also, it might not run with the right permissions if you are using any cgi or ssi |
| 04:10.48 | rahul | might not process the files with the right perms, to be exact |
| 04:10.59 | Eightamrock | thanks, Ill check that out |
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| 04:11.32 | d1ngle3erry | can anybody help me about the wake problem I mentioned? |
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| 04:11.44 | rahul | does no one use X here? heh |
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| 04:13.45 | zleslie | Hi |
| 04:14.30 | MrFrood | Xorg -configure ? |
| 04:14.34 | fenugreek | zleslie: hi =) |
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| 04:17.22 | Hydrant | hey all... quick question: how can I force apt-get to show me the full configuration options (my understanding is that my debconf priority is too high) just for one package during install? |
| 04:18.29 | rahul | MrFrood: do you use debian? things have changed in squeeze... |
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| 04:19.52 | MrFrood | rahul: xorg will still use an xorg.conf if you supply one |
| 04:20.00 | nevyn | Hydrant: dpkg-reconfigure -plow package |
| 04:20.15 | rahul | MrFrood: that doesn't get evdev working |
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| 04:20.27 | MrFrood | rahul: it just does not generate one automagically |
| 04:20.55 | rahul | MrFrood: the parts that are autoprobed are fine |
| 04:21.06 | rahul | MrFrood: I can't get mouse/kbd working |
| 04:21.07 | MrFrood | rahul: no but Xorg -configure gives you something to play with |
| 04:21.57 | Hydrant | nevyn: by the time I run dpkg-reconfigure it's too late... in particular apt-get install slapd is not asking me questions that dpkg-reconfigure will, and after installation things are already in a broken state |
| 04:22.06 | rahul | MrFrood: it doesn't help... |
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| 04:24.30 | MrFrood | rahul: I did not expect Xorg -configure by itself to help but now you should have an xorg.conf to try differnt options in since the auto-guessing is not working for you |
| 04:28.04 | rahul | MrFrood: it's not auto-guessing, it's evdev itself |
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| 04:28.21 | rahul | the guessing part works |
| 04:29.12 | MrFrood | :-/ |
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| 04:30.17 | Hydrant | is it a PS/2 mouse ? |
| 04:30.42 | rahul | no, usb |
| 04:30.54 | Hydrant | it's been ages since I've had issues with X |
| 04:30.56 | rahul | keyboard is ps/2 |
| 04:31.00 | Hydrant | okay |
| 04:31.02 | rahul | both work fine in console |
| 04:31.10 | rahul | NEITHER works in X |
| 04:31.22 | Hydrant | how do you know you have no keyboard in X |
| 04:31.31 | Hydrant | are you just bringing up X or a login ? |
| 04:31.36 | MrFrood | is shocked that rahul & Hydrant are not using serial mouses :P |
| 04:32.01 | Hydrant | it's been a very long time since a serial mouse also |
| 04:32.03 | rahul | ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't kill the server and I enabled that with keyboard-configuration |
| 04:32.14 | Hydrant | okay, but that isn't going to X |
| 04:32.23 | rahul | I don't have a serial port... |
| 04:32.36 | Hydrant | you can still get to the console with ctrl-alt-F1? |
| 04:32.41 | rahul | nope |
| 04:32.48 | Hydrant | sounds like your driver is freezing |
| 04:32.52 | Hydrant | what make of video card? |
| 04:32.57 | rahul | ctrl-alt-backspace goes to X... |
| 04:33.07 | rahul | radeon |
| 04:33.19 | Hydrant | well, it sounds to me the system is freezing |
| 04:33.20 | rahul | I suspect evdev isn't detecting the devices |
| 04:33.27 | rahul | nothing is freezing |
| 04:33.42 | rahul | I can kill the X server and get back to a console |
| 04:33.42 | Hydrant | how do you know if, from as you say, the mouse and keyboard are totally unresponsive ? |
| 04:33.51 | rahul | magic sysrq :D |
| 04:33.54 | Hydrant | how do you kill your X server |
| 04:34.03 | rahul | alt-sysrq-K |
| 04:34.03 | Hydrant | okay, that doesn't mean things haven't frozen |
| 04:34.07 | Hydrant | yes I know what that is |
| 04:34.30 | Hydrant | it could be that there is a driver issue where X is messed up... but the sysreq is handled at a lower level of the OS |
| 04:34.37 | rahul | yeah, that's true |
| 04:34.47 | rahul | evdev doesn't spit out anything to the X server log |
| 04:35.12 | Hydrant | I mean, it's like saying "the system isn't freezing... because I can toggle power..." magic sys key is a special thing that is handled deep in the kernel for dealing with freezes |
| 04:35.22 | Hydrant | sounds like it's a driver issue to me |
| 04:35.42 | Hydrant | especially given that it's a radeon... what specific model |
| 04:35.44 | rahul | yeah, something's up with evdev |
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| 04:35.50 | rahul | video is fine |
| 04:35.59 | Hydrant | I don't know the innards of X (nor have I ever cared to) |
| 04:36.12 | jbleau | Just plugged an external USB hard-drive. Should debian automatically recognize it? I'm running nongui (minecraft server:D). I typed df and I don't see it listed |
| 04:36.14 | Hydrant | what exactly are you loading with X ? |
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| 04:36.32 | rahul | it's some onboard shit |
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| 04:36.42 | Hydrant | are you bringing up the whole window-manager, or just the traditional x cursor on tiled background |
| 04:36.42 | rahul | it's auto-loading radeon |
| 04:36.43 | nevyn | jbleau: it won't just work without a whole mess of infrastructure you probably don't have running. |
| 04:36.53 | rahul | oh, I'm loading my WM |
| 04:36.59 | rahul | I see things show up fine |
| 04:36.59 | nevyn | jbleau: you'll need to manualy mount it. |
| 04:37.04 | timo | jbleau: you'll have to manually mount the drive, unless you have installed 'usbmount' or some similar automounter |
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| 04:37.20 | Hydrant | okay |
| 04:37.23 | jbleau | okay, great, I tried mounting it but without knowing the device name |
| 04:37.25 | ex-parrot | anyone know if the smack security system is enabled in debian kernels? |
| 04:37.30 | jbleau | I can't do that, and it doesn't seem to have been assigned one |
| 04:37.38 | tuv | vpnc stopped working (not sure when exactly. was working fine quite a while back). any guess why? |
| 04:37.39 | rahul | it doesn't seem to be noticing the config that's in the xorg.conf.d |
| 04:37.58 | tuv | now, it says: vpnc: authentication unsuccessful |
| 04:38.08 | tuv | using the same conf file |
| 04:38.12 | rahul | I even created a symlink /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d -> /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d in case the docs are correct |
| 04:38.33 | Hydrant | rahul: why did you need to mess with xorg.conf? |
| 04:38.49 | Hydrant | I honestly haven't had to touch it since my Gentoo days a long time ago in a galaxy far far away |
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| 04:40.50 | timo | jbleau: 'tail -f /var/log/messages' and plug the device in to see if it's noticed in any way by your system |
| 04:42.01 | Hydrant | does anyone know how to adjust debconf priority on install of a package (i.e. not using dpkg-reconfigure later) ? |
| 04:42.12 | rahul | Hydrant: I haven't messed with it, really |
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| 04:42.52 | Hydrant | I don't know if X got better, or if LCD screens eliminate the need for tricky Xorg configurations, but I'm glad those days are over |
| 04:43.36 | nevyn | Hydrant: try doing stuff with TV's |
| 04:43.41 | nevyn | they LIE in EDID |
| 04:43.44 | nevyn | a lot. |
| 04:44.00 | Hydrant | never have setup a TV with X... maybe one day |
| 04:44.09 | Hydrant | doesn't own a TV |
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| 04:44.47 | nevyn | tv's are big monitors but they LIE in the supported modes to make windows happy. so when you're trying to actually make a 1:1 pixel display it get's tricky |
| 04:44.54 | Hydrant | installing slapd is driving me insane... |
| 04:45.42 | Hydrant | I love hardware that tries to accomodate the quirks of Windows |
| 04:46.16 | MrFrood | :-/ |
| 04:46.18 | nevyn | yep. |
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| 04:46.42 | nevyn | so they lie about how many pixesl they have.. but not about how big the display is. |
| 04:46.45 | nevyn | which is annoying. |
| 04:46.48 | rahul | I will see if purging kbd and mouse drivers helps |
| 04:46.49 | Hydrant | I got a rack mountable LTO-4 tape drive the other day, and I laughed pretty hard when I saw a "trial version" of "Symantec backup" in the box... what a crazy world |
| 04:46.51 | nevyn | so all your fonts become unreadable. |
| 04:46.57 | nevyn | which is stabtastic |
| 04:46.58 | jbleau | timo, got it working :) |
| 04:47.07 | timo | jbleau: great! |
| 04:47.11 | Hydrant | rahul: how are you going to "purge" the drivers without rebuilding the OS ? |
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| 04:47.40 | jbleau | timo was just a little confused on how to know what the device was being called, checking the log cleared it up (/dev/sdb1 |
| 04:47.46 | jbleau | so thank you! |
| 04:48.29 | nevyn | jbleau: dmesg|tail is usually also good for that bit of data |
| 04:49.04 | jbleau | noted :], first time using debian setting it up for a personal minecraft server |
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| 04:49.16 | jbleau | managed to get a proliant server from work they were going to throw out |
| 04:50.11 | rahul | Hydrant: the X drivers |
| 04:50.15 | rahul | didn't help tho |
| 04:51.04 | Hydrant | it was doubtful that it would |
| 04:51.06 | jbleau | hm, final question, it was formated ntfs, I thought linux could write ntfs, it seems to have been mounted read-only |
| 04:51.37 | rahul | just seems like evdev is just plain not loaded |
| 04:51.48 | Hydrant | what makes you say that? |
| 04:52.08 | Hydrant | have you looked through your X logs in /var/log ? |
| 04:52.08 | rahul | nothing about it in the log |
| 04:52.37 | nevyn | jbleau: you need the userspace ntfs3g stuff.. |
| 04:52.40 | nevyn | !ntfs |
| 04:52.40 | dpkg | Windows NT File System (NTFS) has three drivers available in Debian: the read-only Linux kernel driver and <FUSE> drivers providing write support. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <ntfsck>, <label>. FAQ: http://linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en . http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS http://linux-ntfs.org/ #ntfs on irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:52.59 | jbleau | it's no bother, just going to reformat it fat, was just curious :) |
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| 04:53.22 | nevyn | tell jbleau about ntfs-3g |
| 04:53.29 | nevyn | !tell jbleau about ntfs-3g |
| 04:53.41 | jbleau | thank you |
| 04:53.42 | inkBlue90 | One problem i dont understand is that my wifi icon won't appear and I just installed the newest version of debian. |
| 04:54.06 | inkBlue90 | However it did recognize it during installation, its just acting like it doesn't recognize it now(?) |
| 04:54.15 | nevyn | inkBlue90: wifi icon? |
| 04:55.06 | inkBlue90 | nevyn: Something that would indicate that there are wifi signals in the area.. |
| 04:55.44 | nevyn | inkBlue90: gnome-network-manager ? |
| 04:55.57 | nevyn | you need to install suitable software to provide that function. |
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| 04:57.46 | inkBlue90 | I installed the KDE live version |
| 04:58.14 | nevyn | kde live debian? |
| 04:58.16 | nevyn | we have that? |
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| 04:59.03 | inkBlue90 | Yep.. |
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| 05:00.47 | inkBlue90 | debian-6.0.1a-kfreebsd-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 05:00.57 | inkBlue90 | is what I have. |
| 05:01.06 | rahul | that's not linux, by the way... |
| 05:01.25 | inkBlue90 | -checks- |
| 05:01.36 | rahul | it's freebsd, according to the name |
| 05:01.53 | inkBlue90 | what I had didn't have 'freebsd' in the name, I don't think so. |
| 05:01.55 | MrFrood | !kbsd |
| 05:01.56 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 were released as a "technology preview" for Squeeze, ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 05:02.58 | MrFrood | inkBlue90: uname -r |
| 05:03.00 | rahul | inkBlue90: what you said you had had freebsd in the name |
| 05:03.36 | rahul | if you mean something other than what you said, please clarify |
| 05:03.37 | inkBlue90 | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 05:03.50 | inkBlue90 | is what came up for uname -r |
| 05:03.51 | rahul | that looks linuxy |
| 05:04.02 | MrFrood | inkBlue90: you got linux |
| 05:04.04 | inkBlue90 | sorry. |
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| 05:07.25 | inkBlue90 | what do I need to install to enable wifi? |
| 05:07.31 | inkBlue90 | on KDE |
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| 05:09.39 | inkBlue90 | n/m |
| 05:09.45 | inkBlue90 | installing windows. |
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| 05:10.20 | MrFrood | no idea - I'm not a kde user ... but I guessing there will be some sort of network-manager type appelet thingy somewhere..? |
| 05:11.15 | MrFrood | and he's gone :-/ |
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| 05:25.40 | nevyn | plasma widget |
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| 05:28.15 | triton | hello im running squeeze andi cant view the application for student aid at www.fasfa.ed.gov it says incompatable web browser |
| 05:29.21 | ipo | please intriduce to me a program for getting consecutive screenshot |
| 05:29.49 | triton | can i please get help? i tried google no luck |
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| 05:30.16 | nevyn | triton: fudge your browserid the site is broken |
| 05:30.33 | triton | realy? |
| 05:30.38 | nevyn | so you need to configure your browser to lie about it's os and name |
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| 05:31.31 | triton | cause i read that user agent dont work, i need to use vmware and internet explorer |
| 05:31.51 | nevyn | oh that bites. |
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| 05:32.15 | triton | but i have no idea on how to do that :( |
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| 05:44.49 | mark_1262 | I'm looking for some help adding a kernel parameter to my grub config |
| 05:45.43 | mark_1262 | I'm just not sure of the syntax to use |
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| 05:47.06 | jbleau | Hey all, I have an application running and, through some misuse of screen and ssh connections, I can't seem to view it anymore, although ps -a shows its running, it says its PID 2365 and running from TTY2, is there anyway to make it viewable again? |
| 05:47.42 | jbleau | to be clear I dont have a keyboard hooked up to the machine, can only access it through ssh |
| 05:47.52 | jbleau | mostly because im lazy |
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| 05:48.28 | jbleau | I was under the impression if I ran something in a screen killing the ssh session wouldnt terminate the process, that much seemed true, but it seemed to have somehow made screen forget about it |
| 05:48.45 | jbleau | hey, hm, false alarm actually, im going to totally eat my words. disregard everything I said :] |
| 05:48.50 | jbleau | screen -r actually worked this time, ignore me. |
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| 06:06.34 | ayambit | Anyone uses screen? |
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| 06:09.05 | hatter_ | i use screen |
| 06:09.08 | hatter_ | its great |
| 06:09.20 | hatter_ | couldnt be without it |
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| 06:12.28 | ayambit | hatter_: do you know hot to tell it show me current host to which I'm logged in via ssh? |
| 06:12.51 | ayambit | I tried http://scie.nti.st/2008/8/19/1-minute-post-hostname-as-screen-window-title but no luck. |
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| 06:13.03 | ayambit | Maybe I should put something in .screenrc? |
| 06:13.28 | ayambit | Currently screen shows my screen number and server hostname. |
| 06:14.01 | hatter_ | ayambit, you dont want to to set the title yourself you want screen to get the hostname and put it as the title ? |
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| 06:14.06 | ayambit | But when I ssh from this server to another, nothing changes. |
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| 06:14.13 | ayambit | hatter_: like this. |
| 06:16.00 | hatter_ | ayambit, no i dont know how you would update the title dynamically when ssh'ing somwhere else. |
| 06:17.00 | ayambit | hatter_: but where definitely is way. |
| 06:17.09 | Erbureth | ayambit: where did you put the promtp_command line? |
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| 06:17.24 | nevyn | it's in .bashrc |
| 06:17.30 | ayambit | Erbureth: in .bashrc of course. |
| 06:17.35 | ayambit | On remote server. |
| 06:17.48 | hatter_ | ayambit, i just google what i wrote, 'update screen title dynamically' other people have done it |
| 06:18.20 | nevyn | ayambit: the problem is.. if you do ssh A ssh B ssh C and then logout of C the window title will still say C |
| 06:18.25 | Erbureth | ayambit: try putting hardstatus alwayslastline "%{+ bk}%H: %{-}%{+ wk}%-Lw%{=u dW}%50>%n%f* %t%{-}%+Lw%<" |
| 06:18.25 | Erbureth | into .screenrc |
| 06:19.04 | Erbureth | ayambit: scratch that, wrong line |
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| 06:21.27 | Tommy_DO | Hi there. Is there an easy way to reinstall Debian in a preexistent encrypted rootfs environment? |
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| 06:23.10 | moalee_beddiebye | why is it that i cant view any vides on sites like Dailymotion |
| 06:23.12 | moalee_beddiebye | or Mefeedia |
| 06:23.16 | moalee_beddiebye | i just get black or gray.. |
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| 06:26.10 | seven| | moalee_beddiebye: pluggins. |
| 06:27.29 | rypervenche | I'm running Squeeze, and I have a Logitech USB headset that I would like to use. My computer seems to recognize it, but I am unable to switch over to it. Do I need to install pulseaudio or should there be a way to do it without doing that? |
| 06:28.59 | moalee_beddiebye | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:29.11 | seven| | moalee_beddiebye: can you watch youtube videos? |
| 06:29.11 | moalee_beddiebye | flash, shockwave, plugins-good/bad etc.. |
| 06:29.13 | moalee_beddiebye | yes |
| 06:29.30 | seven| | moalee_beddiebye: then you should be able to watch Dailymotion videos too. I believe they use flash both. |
| 06:29.53 | seven| | moalee_beddiebye: Did you try with a different browser? |
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| 06:35.46 | moalee_beddiebye | ya |
| 06:35.48 | moalee_beddiebye | all the asme problem |
| 06:35.50 | moalee_beddiebye | annoying as psis |
| 06:36.41 | seven| | moalee_beddiebye: Then I have no idea why this is happening :/ |
| 06:36.57 | seven| | I would also ask if you have the latest version of the plugins. |
| 06:37.14 | seven| | But I suppose you do. |
| 06:37.28 | moalee_beddiebye | ya |
| 06:37.31 | moalee_beddiebye | im thining maybne |
| 06:37.34 | moalee_beddiebye | cause 64bit? |
| 06:37.50 | seven| | Do you have the beta flash for 64bit. |
| 06:37.59 | seven| | I'm on a 64bit machine and they play perfectly. |
| 06:38.04 | seven| | I have the beta for 64bit thou. |
| 06:38.58 | moalee_beddiebye | :\ |
| 06:39.06 | rypervenche | How can I get my Logitech USB headset to work as my main speakers, so to speak? My computer will recognize it, but doesn't give me any sound, except in Skype when I manually configure it. Do I have to get pulseaudio or something? |
| 06:39.22 | seven| | moalee_beddiebye: you have the beta Adobe released for 64bit? |
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| 06:39.26 | moalee_beddiebye | maybe |
| 06:39.28 | moalee_beddiebye | i think |
| 06:39.39 | seven| | Play a youtube video and right click it. |
| 06:40.04 | seven| | About Flash Player....? |
| 06:40.08 | seven| | What version moalee_beddiebye ? |
| 06:40.44 | moalee_beddiebye | sec |
| 06:40.49 | moalee_beddiebye | it is the bta |
| 06:40.50 | moalee_beddiebye | beta |
| 06:40.51 | moalee_beddiebye | im sure of it |
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| 06:41.07 | moalee_beddiebye | hmm |
| 06:41.07 | moalee_beddiebye | weird |
| 06:41.10 | moalee_beddiebye | its using Gnash Player |
| 06:41.12 | moalee_beddiebye | to load flash videos |
| 06:41.16 | seven| | Remove Gnash. |
| 06:41.20 | moalee_beddiebye | i hate gnash |
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| 06:41.28 | seven| | That's two of us. |
| 06:41.31 | moalee_beddiebye | done |
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| 06:41.34 | moalee_beddiebye | itws gone |
| 06:41.36 | moalee_beddiebye | now reload? |
| 06:41.43 | seven| | Re-start your browser. |
| 06:41.46 | seven| | And try now. |
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| 06:43.51 | moalee_beddiebye | hmm |
| 06:43.53 | moalee_beddiebye | it would seem maybe |
| 06:43.54 | moalee_beddiebye | perhaps |
| 06:43.56 | moalee_beddiebye | adobe isnt loaded porperly |
| 06:44.03 | moalee_beddiebye | should i get the beta 64bit version? |
| 06:44.09 | seven| | moalee_beddiebye: Yes. |
| 06:45.05 | rypervenche | Do any of you use pulse audio or do you just use ALSA OSS? |
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| 06:46.23 | moalee_beddiebye | seven|, what is the efault plugin folder you know off chance:? /usr/lib? or usr/firefox/lib or whatever? |
| 06:46.40 | seven| | I use chrome :/ |
| 06:47.17 | fenugreek | rypervenche: I just use ALSA, because I don't do fancy audio production stuff I have no particular need for pulse or jack, etc. |
| 06:47.37 | moalee_beddiebye | found it |
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| 06:47.38 | moalee_beddiebye | i think |
| 06:48.24 | nevyn | rypervenche: yeah I use both. |
| 06:48.31 | moalee_beddiebye | blah |
| 06:48.32 | moalee_beddiebye | still saying |
| 06:48.35 | moalee_beddiebye | i need to upgrade my plugin |
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| 06:48.56 | seven| | Did you restart the browser afterward? |
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| 06:49.11 | nevyn | rypervenche: there's a howto for pulse here that is reasonable. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 |
| 06:49.30 | nevyn | I've gtg tho but I'm usually about. |
| 06:49.39 | rypervenche | fenugreek: nevyn: Any idea why my headset wouldn't be working? Or how I could change the audio? |
| 06:50.04 | nevyn | rypervenche: does the kernel detect it? check /proc/asound/cards |
| 06:50.25 | seven| | moalee_beddiebye: ~/.mozilla/plugins/ |
| 06:51.22 | fenugreek | rypervenche: wired headphone+mic headset? |
| 06:51.32 | moalee_beddiebye | testing |
| 06:51.33 | rypervenche | fenugreek: Yes. |
| 06:51.54 | fenugreek | rypervenche: does your headphone jack work otherwise? |
| 06:51.55 | moalee_beddiebye | argh |
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| 06:52.02 | moalee_beddiebye | seven, can you do me a favor and look athte program you are using to load flash videos |
| 06:52.05 | moalee_beddiebye | under your applications |
| 06:52.07 | moalee_beddiebye | in chrome |
| 06:52.08 | moalee_beddiebye | or whatever |
| 06:52.26 | seven| | Sure. |
| 06:52.34 | rypervenche | fenugreek: nevyn: It detects it, and I was even able to use it for Skype. However for normal audio it just won't switch over. |
| 06:53.27 | seven| | moalee_beddiebye: Flash - Version: 10.3.162 |
| 06:53.28 | seven| | Shockwave Flash 10.3 d162 |
| 06:53.34 | fenugreek | rypervenche: oh you want to use it for skype and music simultaneously? |
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| 06:54.31 | rypervenche | fenugreek: No. I want to use it as my main audio output. I can manually choose my hw device in Skype. I have found many people who have had the same problem, but none of them have found solutions. |
| 06:54.48 | seven| | moalee_beddiebye: also looks like I have this package installed |
| 06:54.48 | rypervenche | http://pastebin.com/NZGZFRvA |
| 06:54.57 | seven| | ii flashplugin-no 1:2.8.2 Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin |
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| 06:56.51 | fenugreek | rypervenche: is skype still running? |
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| 06:57.35 | moalee_beddiebye | seven|, ok i think i have it |
| 06:57.41 | rypervenche | fenugreek: No, I have since restarted many times. |
| 06:57.46 | moalee_beddiebye | what package seven? |
| 06:58.03 | seven| | moalee_beddiebye: ii flashplugin-no 1:2.8.2 Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin |
| 06:58.07 | fenugreek | rypervenche: but you said you were using skype with it fine? It played audio? |
| 06:58.22 | moalee_beddiebye | hmm |
| 06:58.24 | moalee_beddiebye | where u get that |
| 06:58.24 | moalee_beddiebye | lol |
| 06:58.31 | rypervenche | fenugreek: Yes, when I configured it to use my headset. I was able to speak and hear. |
| 06:58.32 | seven| | moalee_beddiebye: flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 06:58.45 | fenugreek | rypervenche: did you see anything about OSS? |
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| 06:59.44 | moalee_beddiebye | i just installed that |
| 06:59.45 | moalee_beddiebye | now lets see |
| 06:59.46 | moalee_beddiebye | how it works |
| 06:59.52 | fenugreek | rypervenche: do you have mplayer? |
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| 07:00.33 | rypervenche | fenugreek: No, I don't think I did, I can check though. |
| 07:00.33 | moalee_beddiebye | ok that works |
| 07:00.34 | ayambit | I'm lazy, I know. |
| 07:00.35 | moalee_beddiebye | now let me test my other sites |
| 07:00.38 | rypervenche | fenugreek: I don't have it, but I can download it. |
| 07:00.48 | fenugreek | rypervenche: do you have vlc or xine? |
| 07:01.04 | ayambit | What bash variable will tell me current running command (if any and bash does work that way). |
| 07:01.06 | ayambit | ? |
| 07:01.17 | rypervenche | fenugreek: No and no. I'm downloading mplayer and vlc now. |
| 07:01.18 | fenugreek | current running commandS? |
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| 07:01.25 | fenugreek | rypervenche: just do mplayer |
| 07:01.38 | moalee_beddiebye | yay |
| 07:01.44 | moalee_beddiebye | Seven, thanks for taking the time |
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| 07:01.49 | seven| | moalee_beddiebye: no problem :) |
| 07:01.50 | moalee_beddiebye | what a nuisance all this pre-built gnash garbage |
| 07:01.51 | moalee_beddiebye | lol |
| 07:01.53 | fenugreek | rypervenche: try mplayer -vo alsa audiofile, then try mplayer -vo oss audiofile |
| 07:01.58 | moalee_beddiebye | i need to install OpenBSD |
| 07:02.00 | moalee_beddiebye | i miss it :) |
| 07:02.00 | moalee_beddiebye | lol |
| 07:02.01 | moalee_beddiebye | j/k |
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| 07:02.05 | fenugreek | rypervenche: sorry I meant -ao, not -vo |
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| 07:02.14 | ayambit | fenugreek: I mean is there some $VARIABLE? |
| 07:02.22 | seven| | lol |
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| 07:02.43 | fenugreek | ayambit: for what is running the terminal you have open? |
| 07:02.51 | fenugreek | ayambit: how would you even use it |
| 07:03.10 | ayambit | fenugreek: I will tell screen to use it. |
| 07:03.34 | ayambit | Hmm. |
| 07:03.35 | ayambit | No. |
| 07:03.37 | fenugreek | ayambit: ask #bash |
| 07:03.38 | ayambit | I'm stupid. |
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| 07:03.43 | fenugreek | ? |
| 07:03.47 | ayambit | It doesn't work that way at all. |
| 07:03.48 | Psi-Jack | ayambit: You said it! DOn't get it. |
| 07:03.57 | ayambit | A boot to my head. |
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| 07:04.32 | rypervenche | fenugreek: Doing "alsa" played on my laptop speakers, "oss" did not work. |
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| 07:05.22 | fenugreek | rypervenche: and if you don't specify -ao at all? |
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| 07:05.53 | rypervenche | fenugreek: It plays through alsa and through my laptop speakers. |
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| 07:05.57 | fenugreek | k |
| 07:06.17 | fenugreek | rypervenche: and you've already checked alsamixer for muted and low volume channels? |
| 07:06.24 | rypervenche | I did. |
| 07:06.32 | fenugreek | which laptop? |
| 07:07.06 | rypervenche | fenugreek: Asus 1201PN Eee PC |
| 07:09.48 | fenugreek | rypervenche: what's your audio device? lspci | grep -i audio |
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| 07:11.11 | rypervenche | fenugreek: http://pastebin.com/Cydcwv29 |
| 07:11.25 | seven| | Well I'm hitting the sack later guys. |
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| 07:13.22 | fenugreek | rypervenche: you have a file with 'alsa' in its name in /etc/conf.d/ ? |
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| 07:16.05 | rypervenche | fenugreek: I don't have that folder. |
| 07:16.53 | fenugreek | sorry /etc/modprobe.d/ |
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| 07:18.22 | rypervenche | fenugreek: I have alsa-base.conf and alsa-base-blacklist.conf |
| 07:19.28 | rypervenche | fenugreek: There is a line... # Keep snd-usb-audio from beeing loaded as first soundcard |
| 07:19.31 | rypervenche | options snd-usb-audio index=-2 |
| 07:20.09 | fenugreek | there's a thread on ubuntuforums.org suggesting it's just a problem with an improperly installed alsa system |
| 07:20.43 | fenugreek | other than that I'd guess you might need to specify a model in that alsa-base.conf file |
| 07:21.33 | fenugreek | http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sound/alsa/HD-Audio-Models.txt |
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| 07:26.14 | rypervenche | fenugreek: Could I see that ubuntu link? |
| 07:26.42 | fenugreek | rypervenche: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1594846 |
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| 07:31.17 | rypervenche | fenugreek: alsamixergui says that my soundcard is HDA Intel, but that the chip is Realtek ALC269....should I get teh realtek driver for it? |
| 07:31.55 | fenugreek | the module is probably right, snd-hda-intel is common, even for realtek |
| 07:32.09 | fenugreek | I think alc269 might be in that txt file I mentioned, though |
| 07:32.38 | fenugreek | yes, has 6-7 options under it |
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| 07:42.12 | rypervenche | fenugreek: Maybe installing pulse will fix it :/ |
| 07:42.28 | fenugreek | pulse uses ALSA, so I doubt it |
| 07:42.44 | fenugreek | the only way pulse would fix it, I guess, is if it's a mixing problem |
| 07:43.16 | fenugreek | rypervenche: got any livecds? Did it work with them? You could copy config info |
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| 07:45.19 | rypervenche | fenugreek: Everything else that I use uses pulseaudio :/ |
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| 07:47.12 | fenugreek | I'm not saying your headset won't magically work after you install/config pulseaudio |
| 07:47.38 | fenugreek | but it'd be pretty coincidental if it did |
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| 07:47.53 | f3xy | I thought pulse emulated alsa |
| 07:48.01 | fenugreek | did what? |
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| 07:48.55 | fenugreek | it takes control of devices that look for alsa, if that's what you mean |
| 07:49.04 | fenugreek | but still relies on alsa itself |
| 07:49.13 | f3xy | ah |
| 07:49.21 | AminCX | can i use bonding for balancing between multiple ips on one ethernet ? |
| 07:49.37 | ectospasm | I have an issue with both LibreOffice and the stock OpenOffice.org3 that ships with squeeze: after a period of normal operation (hours/days), LO/OO.o will totally block on Save or Save As dialogs. This occurs after a period of normal use (i.e. I can save at least one document). |
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| 07:50.03 | fenugreek | ectospasm: save to... and FS on an internal HD? |
| 07:50.05 | ectospasm | I switch to the other (LO vs. OO.o), and the problem goes away temporarily |
| 07:50.09 | ectospasm | fenugreek: yes |
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| 07:50.16 | fenugreek | s/and/an/ =P |
| 07:50.26 | fenugreek | ectospasm: so you have both installed? |
| 07:50.28 | fenugreek | ... |
| 07:50.33 | ectospasm | fenugreek: no, not usually |
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| 07:50.42 | ectospasm | fenugreek: I remove one, then install the other. |
| 07:50.47 | fenugreek | oh uninstalling one and installing the other, k |
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| 07:51.01 | f3xy | ectospasm: what are you running? |
| 07:51.04 | fenugreek | so you try to save and what happens? |
| 07:51.13 | ectospasm | f3xy: squeeze |
| 07:51.18 | sphenxes | I am trying to use tar -cvf to back up my home directory. The first time i got a tar file about 4.1 gb. I run the command tar -uvf latter and the file sized increased to 8.2 gb. I have not added any new file for home directory. Why the command tar update has doubled the size of my file? or how can i use the update command correctly |
| 07:51.27 | fenugreek | try running it from a terminal and check out the output when it fails |
| 07:51.31 | ectospasm | fenugreek: when I try to save, the program just blocks, or hangs |
| 07:51.38 | f3xy | strace it when it blocks |
| 07:51.43 | ectospasm | fenugreek: no terminal output whatsoever |
| 07:51.55 | ectospasm | f3xy: good idea, thanks |
| 07:52.44 | fenugreek | sphenxes: something wrong with just creating a new tar file? |
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| 07:54.56 | ectospasm | my hunch it's something with java. Hopefully the strace will shed light |
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| 07:57.17 | kyrix | ops sorry :) |
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| 07:57.46 | fenugreek | ops sorry, that's some fruedian junk |
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| 07:58.01 | fenugreek | or freudian |
| 07:58.44 | Bogdar | Hello! I just install Xen on Debian 6. How to tell update-grub to add Xen item to menu list ? |
| 07:59.36 | Argafal | So I got one machine running unstable, as my development/test machine, and some others running stable or testing. I notice that recently some modules that previously have been loaded automatically during boot are not loaded anymore. I added some of them to /etc/modules which works fine, however I would still want to read more about it. Could someone point me towards some mail/webpage I should read? Background for asking is a) curiosity b) a problem ... |
| 07:59.42 | Argafal | ... with the psmouse module that might be related (psmouse is loaded, however the mouse doesn't move, rmmod + modprobe after X11 start brings it back). |
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| 08:00.07 | ectospasm | f3xy: hmmm, strace keeps exiting. OO.o is probably forking to launch soffice. Is there any way I can tell strace to watch all child processes (I'm mostly unfamiliar with strace) |
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| 08:01.33 | Bushmills | sphenxes: you'd want to add -p option. and write to new archiv - tape isn't good with random accessing and overwriting already written data. |
| 08:02.00 | sphenxes | Bushmills, thanks |
| 08:02.38 | Bushmills | sphenxes: for synchronizing the copy with your home dir, look at rsync |
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| 08:03.56 | sphenxes | rsync works fine for me. I thought that i should try to use tar -u. but i should stay with rsync |
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| 08:03.58 | Bushmills | or. for combining tar and rsync, possibly over a network, check out duplicity |
| 08:04.13 | ectospasm | well I'll be, it works when trying to stare at it with strace... /-; |
| 08:04.57 | rypervenche | fenugreek: Installing pulseaudio worked >< |
| 08:04.57 | fenugreek | sounds like java to me! |
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| 08:05.05 | fenugreek | rypervenche: heh |
| 08:05.13 | fenugreek | rypervenche: I bet it was a mixer issue |
| 08:05.23 | rypervenche | Well, it works. Thank you for all of your time fenugreek :) You're always a great help. |
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| 08:06.20 | fenugreek | rypervenche: pulse does have its other potential benefits, too |
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| 08:08.01 | ectospasm | fenugreek, f3xy: since I've been trying the last few minutes, I have been unable to reproduce my problem |
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| 08:08.26 | ectospasm | I coulda sworn once it started, it was 100% repeatable |
| 08:08.45 | Bushmills | maybe you didn't stare hard enough before? |
| 08:08.59 | ectospasm | Bushmills: next time I'll wait until I sweat blood. |
| 08:09.22 | fenugreek | maybe you've just been lucky enough to not have many encounters with java apps up till now |
| 08:09.28 | fenugreek | so you're mistaking ordinary java "performance" with a bug |
| 08:09.33 | fenugreek | for a bug* |
| 08:09.49 | ectospasm | yeah, that's a common naive misconception |
| 08:09.55 | ectospasm | ...which I fell prey to |
| 08:10.01 | fenugreek | =P |
| 08:10.32 | ectospasm | hey, only nontechnical people think I'm technical |
| 08:14.00 | c0nfl|ct | bom dia mundo |
| 08:14.17 | amoe | bom! |
| 08:15.37 | fenugreek | stupid BOM |
| 08:17.08 | ectospasm | bill of materials? |
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| 08:17.39 | fenugreek | byte order mark? =) |
| 08:19.18 | ectospasm | heh, you can tell which field I'm in (-; |
| 08:19.23 | ectospasm | ...sorta |
| 08:19.31 | ectospasm | I only found CS fun in CS class. |
| 08:19.40 | ectospasm | s/ss/sses/ |
| 08:20.04 | Bartzy|work | Hi |
| 08:20.25 | Bartzy|work | As I understand it, XFS is very good at handling crashes, right ? better than ext3 ? |
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| 08:21.34 | sternocera | If I install a new service, how do I add it to runlevel 3 on debian? I'd like it to start with the operating system. |
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| 08:30.51 | tvm | sternocera: read the update-rc.d manpage |
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| 08:31.09 | sternocera | tvm: Thanks |
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| 08:33.02 | Bushmills | Bartzy|work: not really, no |
| 08:33.22 | Bartzy|work | Bushmills: But it doesn't require long fsck checks at boot... |
| 08:33.46 | Bushmills | Bartzy|work: if that's what you call "good at handling crashes"... |
| 08:33.51 | Bartzy|work | meaning I have a server, it crashes for some reason, now it's down for 15 more minutes because ext3 needs fsck at boot... |
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| 08:34.07 | Bartzy|work | So XFS is worse than ext3 at handling crashes ? |
| 08:34.21 | Bushmills | Bartzy|work: you are more likely to lose date |
| 08:34.22 | Bushmills | data |
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| 08:35.50 | Bushmills | Bartzy|work: Äould it be that ext3 does fsck because it hasn't done so for quite some time, or because the file system was mounted often enough to demand a fsck? |
| 08:36.11 | Bushmills | if either of these is the reason, you can tune that with ext3 |
| 08:36.27 | Bartzy|work | with XFS? Can you provide any links on that ? I thought it's the exact opposite.... |
| 08:36.57 | Bartzy|work | Also, I need to store tons of small files (Mail server, Maildirs). ext3 with dir_index is fine for that ? |
| 08:37.06 | Bushmills | xfs journals meta data only, no file data. google for "xfs require ups" |
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| 08:37.50 | Bushmills | in addition with xfs potentially caching a lot in RAM, on crash that's lost. |
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| 08:40.12 | Bartzy|work | Bushmills: What about ext4? Is it considered stable (for a server)? How does it handle a lot of small files ? |
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| 08:40.47 | project2501b | hollis:~ gmarselis$ ssh root@cluster |
| 08:40.48 | project2501b | Last login: Wed Apr 27 11:28:55 2011 from 10.75.106.31 |
| 08:40.48 | project2501b | Cannot figure out the GLibc version. |
| 08:40.51 | project2501b | wtf? |
| 08:40.58 | project2501b | any clues, please? |
| 08:41.14 | Bushmills | i can't yet recommend ext4 for server. not because i think it is not suited for server, but because it comes with according warning not to commit essential data to it. |
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| 08:41.31 | Bushmills | but my own experiences with ext4 as far are positive |
| 08:41.38 | project2501b | Bushmills: but ubuntu uses it! |
| 08:42.04 | Bushmills | project2501, and that should mean that it's suited for server use? |
| 08:42.12 | project2501b | Bushmills: but ubuntu uses it! |
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| 08:42.26 | project2501b | that means it's good! |
| 08:42.44 | Bushmills | are you trolling? |
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| 08:42.48 | fenugreek | project2501b: iconv --version |
| 08:43.15 | project2501b | fenugreek: |
| 08:43.22 | project2501b | iconv (Debian EGLIBC 2.11.2-10) 2.11.2 |
| 08:43.51 | fenugreek | there you go |
| 08:43.54 | project2501b | o agios fanourios na brei ti malakia egine... |
| 08:43.59 | project2501b | fenugreek: ? |
| 08:44.28 | fenugreek | you asked what glibc version |
| 08:44.48 | project2501b | fenugreek: i should have been more specific. i try to ssh into a box of mine and ssh comes back as "cannot figure out the glibc version" |
| 08:44.52 | project2501b | and i'm like "wtf'? |
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| 08:45.06 | project2501b | what could cause ssh to say so? |
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| 08:46.44 | sternocera | Apparently, "System startup links for /etc/init.d/pgbouncer already exist." Does that mean that pgbouncer will start when debian boots? |
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| 08:47.23 | fenugreek | sternocera: easy way to find out |
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| 08:47.45 | sternocera | fenugreek: This is someone's server... |
| 08:48.24 | project2501b | fenugreek: are you greek? |
| 08:48.38 | Bartzy|work | How can I add dir_index to my root partition while online ? is it possible ? |
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| 08:49.20 | gnugr | !tell project2501b -about glibc |
| 08:49.25 | timo | sternocera: is there a symlink to it in /etc/rc2.d that starts with S? |
| 08:50.06 | project2501b | gnugr: ti na to kanw re 8eio? h erwthsh einai to gamhsa to mhxanima, h oxi kai an nai, an ftiaxnetai. |
| 08:50.29 | fenugreek | project2501b: no, 'fenugreek' is a noun all on its own |
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| 08:50.50 | fenugreek | sternocera: if you can't reboot it, what does it matter what happens when it's rebooted? |
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| 08:51.14 | Bushmills | Bartzy|work: you'd set that flag with tune2fs |
| 08:51.21 | sternocera | fenugreek: That's a leap |
| 08:51.32 | fenugreek | sound to me |
| 08:51.52 | gnugr | project2501b: sorry i didn't see what you asked |
| 08:52.00 | sternocera | timo: Yes, there is. |
| 08:53.01 | timo | sternocera: then it's set up to start on system start-up |
| 08:53.11 | Bartzy|work | Bushmills: And the filesystem must be unmounted right ? |
| 08:53.12 | sternocera | timo: Cool, thanks. |
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| 08:53.21 | michelem | hello folks |
| 08:53.24 | timo | sternocera: assuming your default runlevel is '2', which it probably is |
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| 08:53.56 | Bushmills | Bartzy|work: better to do so. my guess is, you can set the feature without unmounting, but it will only be active next time you mount |
| 08:54.33 | michelem | on my OpenMoko I want to rename eth1 to eth0. I edited /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules with a suitable rule, but at boot the script /lib/udev/write_net_rules appends its own rule to it, which resets the behavior |
| 08:54.51 | Bartzy|work | Bushmills: no need for some fsck after tune2fs ? |
| 08:54.55 | michelem | how do I either 1) tell that script that I want that card be called eth0, or 2) disable that script? |
| 08:55.01 | Bushmills | no need |
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| 08:56.52 | Bushmills | michelem: edit /etc/udev/rules.d/*-persistent-net.rules, then udevtrigger, or reload nic module |
| 08:57.08 | Bartzy|work | Bushmills, thanks... |
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| 09:00.31 | michelem | Bushmills: I tried that, but the script is still re-run at boot and restores the previous "eth1" assignment rule |
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| 09:00.54 | eth01 | Whats the quickest/easiest way to update time on debian via command line? i'm having great difficulty at surely something which should be so simple! i've read guides on the net and manuals but doesn't seem to give much direction |
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| 09:01.06 | Bartzy|work | How can I tell which filesystem a system has ? |
| 09:01.11 | eth01 | (a guide which is up-to-date, and works would be helpful if anybody knows of one, thanks) |
| 09:01.16 | Bushmills | !udev |
| 09:01.16 | dpkg | udev is a /dev and hotplug management daemon, Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>. Dependent upon a Linux kernel >= 2.6.15 (>= 2.6.27 for Squeeze). Ask me about <70>, <udev squeeze>, <udev rules>, <udev details>, <.dev>, <dpin>. http://wiki.debian.org/udev http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html |
| 09:01.20 | Bartzy|work | fdisk -l doesn't know... |
| 09:01.36 | Bushmills | !70 |
| 09:01.37 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Squeeze, Lenny) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 09:02.45 | Bushmills | eth01: rdate or ntpdate. better run ntpd |
| 09:02.56 | michelem | Bushmills: so essentially they suggest to override the automatic rules with a later rules file |
| 09:03.17 | Bushmills | michelem: no, they suggest to edit the file |
| 09:03.28 | eth01 | Bushmills: will it work out of the box, or require further changes to be made? |
| 09:04.06 | Bushmills | eth01: ntpd should work out of the box. at least the ntpd in package ntp does |
| 09:04.08 | michelem | Bushmills: if you give me one more pointer, we can probably save minutes of each other's time: which file? where do I edit to say "that card be named eth0" ? |
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| 09:05.11 | eth01 | Bushmills: ok installed, does the time update instantly? |
| 09:05.25 | Bushmills | michelem: grep "NAME=" /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 09:05.55 | michelem | Bushmills: as I wrote above, I do edit that file, but it is then regenerated by a script at reboot |
| 09:06.13 | michelem | it's not regenerated, it's actually appended another rule which reverts mine |
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| 09:06.20 | Bushmills | mine isn't |
| 09:07.14 | eth01 | Bushmills, the hwclock time is different to that of the time on the server - by using command 'date' |
| 09:07.29 | Bushmills | and i have no other match of NAME=eth in any of my files in /etc/udev/rules.d |
| 09:07.40 | Bushmills | eth01: different,yes |
| 09:08.01 | eth01 | Bushmills, surely thats not correct, its an hour out, possibly daylight saving changes |
| 09:08.06 | Bushmills | hwclock merely copies system date to cmos clock, or vice versa |
| 09:08.20 | eth01 | Bushmills, on reboot? |
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| 09:08.41 | Bushmills | eth01: both clock should be set to UTC - time zone doesn't apply there |
| 09:09.01 | eth01 | Bushmills, BST (uk) here |
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| 09:09.27 | Bushmills | shouldn't affect either clock setting. affects only outputting local time |
| 09:09.28 | OldMonk | hi. anyone know where i could download CD 1 of debian 4.0? |
| 09:09.48 | Bushmills | unless you're dual-booting with windows |
| 09:09.59 | ElDiabolo | Are there any Bugs per SLoc statistics on open source software? |
| 09:10.14 | ectospasm | I need to generate a sound from an event on another computer. Any idea how I'd start? I have a VPS, on which is connected this IRC client (weechat). weechat can generate a beep event, that the screen session could run a script on when it gets a bell. I don't know how to begin having that bell play on my remote machine. Ideally I'd have no keys on the VPS, just an SSH tunnel started from one of my |
| 09:10.15 | ectospasm | workstations. |
| 09:10.19 | eth01 | Bushmills, i think you are misunderstanding my point. the hwclock output is different to the system date. should i ignore this, or do something about it? like manually set the date using hwclock which I believe you can do |
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| 09:11.17 | Bushmills | eth01: how is it different? cmos clock is used during boot as system time. |
| 09:11.26 | eth01 | Bushmills: i'll pastebin the output |
| 09:11.54 | eth01 | Bushmills, http://pastebin.com/k4C20WEe |
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| 09:12.33 | Bushmills | do date -u |
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| 09:13.21 | eth01 | Bushmills, http://pastebin.com/4VQu6frR |
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| 09:14.02 | eth01 | Bushmills, http://pastebin.com/4VQu6frR |
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| 09:14.40 | Bushmills | eth01: your system clock is right. set cmos clock with hwclock --systohc |
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| 09:15.23 | OldMonk | anyone know if archived cd images of older debian releases are available anywhere? |
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| 09:16.33 | eth01 | Bushmills, seems to have resolved things by using the command 'hwclock' but date -u still shows it an hour out |
| 09:17.06 | Bushmills | no, utc is 9_17 now |
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| 09:17.27 | eth01 | Bushmills, we are BST not UTC |
| 09:17.28 | Bushmills | i suppose BST is 10:17 |
| 09:17.41 | Bushmills | then do date, instead of date -u |
| 09:17.49 | Bushmills | -u shows utc time |
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| 09:18.44 | eth01 | Bushmills, apache and any other piece of software always goes off the system date am i correct |
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| 09:19.10 | michelem | Bushmills: it is supposed to, probably you just didn't customize it |
| 09:19.13 | Bushmills | in what case? for outputting time? |
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| 09:19.42 | eth01 | Bushmills, yes in PHP scripts, when apache posts the time... it gets the time from the server time('date') |
| 09:19.51 | michelem | all I'm saying is: script /lib/udev/write_net_rules generates file /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules based on a number of things |
| 09:20.18 | michelem | I guess these can be customized, for example I can tell that script "look, give THIS name to that device". Where do I do that? |
| 09:20.23 | Bushmills | no idea where PHP scripts get their time from. but i am sure that time zone + system clock gives that time |
| 09:20.35 | eth01 | Bushmills, thanks |
| 09:20.46 | Bushmills | where time zone is the offset to utc, and utc the system clock |
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| 09:21.59 | Bushmills | michelem: i didn't customize it - but my script still has a time stamp of several months ago. |
| 09:22.32 | deno | hi there |
| 09:22.36 | deno | I've a projector |
| 09:22.42 | deno | in my hdmi port |
| 09:22.46 | Bushmills | !enter |
| 09:22.46 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 09:23.04 | deno | I've installed the latest nvidia drivers and xrandr |
| 09:23.29 | deno | xrandr sees the hdmi: DVI-D-1 connected 640x480+1280+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 708mm x 398mm |
| 09:23.29 | deno | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:23.29 | michelem | Bushmills: thanks. I think this is a debian-specific thing (up to the /lib/udev/write_net_rules script), but i'll try to ask in #udev |
| 09:23.45 | deno | but I don't know how to make the projector work |
| 09:23.49 | deno | any idea? |
| 09:24.54 | Bushmills | deno, is your problem a problem with the video output, or with the projector? |
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| 09:25.48 | michelem | Bushmills: for the archives, the README file in the udev distribution says: |
| 09:25.52 | deno | Bushmills, the projector projects stuff when turn on but it doesn't project anything after I plug in it in my laptop |
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| 09:26.23 | michelem | ⦠These are not conffiles. If you want to override the behaviour ⦠Write your own rules in /etc/udev/rules.d that assign ⦠Pick a number higher than the rules you want to override. |
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| 09:26.45 | michelem | essentially, to change default behavior, let the scripts be and just add later rules that revert the default ones |
| 09:26.55 | Bushmills | michelem: so it seems that reading the README gave you the right clue? |
| 09:27.30 | michelem | no, it gave me a shitty workaround, which is the way they want you to do |
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| 09:28.44 | Bushmills | maybe someone can add "read the README" to the !70 factoid |
| 09:29.46 | michelem | Bushmills: I see the linux community is still BoFH-oriented. Bummer. |
| 09:30.56 | Bushmills | as you're addressing me, i'd like to clarify that i'm neither the linux community, nor representative for it. |
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| 09:31.36 | michelem | :) |
| 09:33.24 | Bushmills | but you can do a /whois on me and examine the host name :) |
| 09:33.34 | deno | no one? |
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| 09:43.14 | th3darkzi0n | hi |
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| 09:47.31 | jelly-home | deno: pastebin the complete output of "xrandr" |
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| 09:54.43 | deno | Jelly-home ok |
| 09:55.13 | deno | http://pastebin.com/TtKY523R |
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| 09:56.48 | jelly-home | deno: so your DVI-D-1 output is placed to the right of the internal LVDS. Have you tried dragging a window to the right? |
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| 09:57.44 | deno | jelly-home, uhm no... I'm going to try it ok |
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| 09:58.35 | deno | Jelly-home, nothing |
| 09:58.38 | jelly-home | deno: note the geometry: LVDS-1 connected 1280x800+0+0 , DVI-D-1 connected 640x480+1280+0 <- DVI-D-1 is showing the part of the display starting at position +1280+0, which is 1280 pixels to the right of where LVDS-1 is, +0+0 |
| 09:58.42 | deno | no light from the projector |
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| 09:59.05 | jelly-home | well, xrandr thinks it's connected. |
| 09:59.13 | deno | uhm |
| 09:59.20 | jelly-home | deno: which graphic card and driver are you using? |
| 09:59.33 | deno | nvidia 9600M XT with the nonfree drivers |
| 09:59.42 | jelly-home | nonfree, eh |
| 09:59.45 | deno | yup |
| 09:59.53 | deno | because the free ones shouldn't work |
| 09:59.57 | deno | :/ |
| 10:00.01 | deno | with this projector |
| 10:00.07 | jelly-home | deno: no experience with that. I believe you'r going to have to fire up nvidia-settings tool |
| 10:00.30 | deno | is it a nvidia software I imagine |
| 10:00.44 | jelly-home | it's part of the nonfree drivers. |
| 10:01.22 | deno | got it |
| 10:01.43 | deno | I don't find it anywhere |
| 10:01.57 | jelly-home | don't find what? |
| 10:02.18 | deno | that software |
| 10:02.25 | deno | maybe I haven't installed it properly |
| 10:02.44 | jelly-home | just run it from a terminal |
| 10:02.58 | deno | nvidia-settings |
| 10:02.58 | deno | ? |
| 10:03.00 | deno | already tried |
| 10:03.01 | deno | nothing |
| 10:03.03 | deno | command not found |
| 10:03.30 | jelly-home | deno: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:03.46 | jelly-home | the package is in contrib part of the repository |
| 10:03.53 | jelly-home | ,versions nvidia-settings |
| 10:03.54 | judd | Package nvidia-settings on i386 -- lenny/contrib: 173.14.09-1; sid/contrib: 195.36.24-1; squeeze/contrib: 195.36.24-1; wheezy/contrib: 195.36.24-1 |
| 10:04.58 | deno | ok I'm installing it |
| 10:05.00 | deno | cheers |
| 10:05.05 | deno | let's see if it works :) |
| 10:05.08 | sacredchao | I have mdadm metadata 1.2 on my drives, but I would like to add appropriate lines to my currently empty mdadm.conf to specify the array to start at boot. I want to use UUIDs instead of /dev/* notation. |
| 10:05.30 | sacredchao | Do I specify the UUID of each member separately? Or just the UUID of the entire array? |
| 10:05.37 | jelly-home | sacredchao: /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf |
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| 10:05.51 | deno | jelly-home, I think I've not installed the driver.. |
| 10:05.54 | tobiasBora | Hello ! |
| 10:06.01 | deno | I did it but maybe I have uninstalled |
| 10:06.13 | tobiasBora | I've a problem with installation of a scanner |
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| 10:06.19 | deno | I'm going to install it again |
| 10:06.24 | sacredchao | jelly-home: Okay, it looks like just one single UUID |
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| 10:07.03 | tobiasBora | The scanner is "HP-OfficeJet 8500", and when I launch xsane, I've a problem of detection. |
| 10:07.17 | tobiasBora | Does anyone could help me ? |
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| 10:08.50 | streuner | what does linuxpriniting.org say about? |
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| 10:08.56 | tobiasBora | When I launch xsane on ubuntu, it work, but not with debian. Why ? |
| 10:08.58 | streuner | Is scanning supported? |
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| 10:09.18 | tobiasBora | streuner: yes, in sane page, the quality of this printer is "good" |
| 10:09.46 | tobiasBora | And it work on ubuntu... |
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| 10:11.08 | kgoetz | in what way does it not work? |
| 10:12.14 | tobiasBora | kgoetz: it just that when I open the program "xsane", I've an error message : "not scanner detected" |
| 10:12.30 | tobiasBora | My scanner is plug by internet cable. |
| 10:12.46 | tobiasBora | (it's a multi-function printer) |
| 10:13.45 | kgoetz | um. an ethernet cable? |
| 10:14.02 | tobiasBora | kgoetz: yes it is. |
| 10:14.15 | tobiasBora | (sorry) |
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| 10:15.32 | kgoetz | it may be the driver in debian being older then that in ubuntu, or the scannermay require some proprietary software not included in debian |
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| 10:15.40 | kgoetz | those would be my two usual guesses |
| 10:16.18 | tobiasBora | kgoetz: and how could I use a newer driver ? |
| 10:16.38 | tobiasBora | (I don't know if it's important but I've installed my printer by cups) |
| 10:17.18 | Bushmills | tobiasBora: try to install hplip, then execute hp-setup |
| 10:18.39 | tobiasBora | Bushmills: I'm doing it |
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| 10:19.51 | tobiasBora | Bushmills: I did it, I choosed "net", and I've an error of detection : |
| 10:20.10 | Bushmills | by installing hplip-gui, you get hp-toolbox which allows you to, among other, select scanner backend |
| 10:20.13 | tobiasBora | error: no device found |
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| 10:20.52 | tobiasBora | error: no occured during interactive mode. Exiting |
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| 10:21.01 | gnugr | Bushmills: the name of freenod channel to identify? |
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| 10:21.05 | tobiasBora | (and my printer is open) |
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| 10:22.53 | tobiasBora | any idea ? |
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| 10:27.52 | tweek_ | i just noticed a weird problem with rsync |
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| 10:29.05 | tweek_ | i did 'rsync -ahv --delete /dir/ user@remote:/dir/', and dir contains half-finished torrents, files ending in *.part |
| 10:29.30 | tweek_ | on the local machine, dir has 2gb |
| 10:30.08 | tweek_ | rsync stopped when the remote machine's disk was full, and dir had already 11gb |
| 10:30.57 | jelly-home | tweek_: sparse files? |
| 10:31.12 | tweek_ | locally, the .part files had the size of how much had already been downloaded, remotely, the .part files had the size of the entire file |
| 10:31.18 | jelly-home | tweek_: du --apparent-size /source |
| 10:31.56 | tweek_ | jelly-home: yes, that's it |
| 10:33.07 | jelly-home | tweek_: sparse files support can be incomplete on some platforms, like it is on Linux, so rsync doesn't include it in "-a". Add -S to rsync options |
| 10:33.51 | tweek_ | jelly-home: thanks, gonna try that! |
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| 10:35.03 | jelly-home | -S may make nonsparse files (merely full of \0 bytes) on source to sparse files on destination, but it probably won't be an issue for you |
| 10:35.48 | tweek_ | jelly-home: is that risky in any way? |
| 10:36.08 | tweek_ | anyway, i will only use it on the torrent dir |
| 10:36.43 | jelly-home | it could be risky if you needed nonsparse files to stay nonsparse, say, virtualization images |
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| 10:37.13 | tweek_ | jelly-home: ah ok, no problem |
| 10:37.16 | jelly-home | yeah |
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| 10:39.28 | ham5 | when i use gksu it dosent rember my timeout i set in visudo like it used to?... have to keep typing in my password |
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| 10:54.27 | flo` | hi |
| 10:54.40 | flo` | i have a problem with network manager and a UMTS stick on squeeze |
| 10:55.02 | flo` | i've installed the modeswitch package, and the UMTS device shows up correctly as ttyUSB0, 1 and 2 |
| 10:55.07 | IamTrying | Where can i get a lightweight/mini debian -hda hda.img ? To test with Qemu. |
| 10:55.17 | flo` | however, networkmanager isn't able to see the stick |
| 10:55.32 | fenugreek | IamTrying: you have an 800MHz proc? |
| 10:55.44 | IamTrying | fenugreek, yes |
| 10:55.57 | fenugreek | thems ...are the days |
| 10:55.57 | flo` | when i want to create a new connection, it doesn't show me my stick; if i configure it without specifying a device, i cannot connect it (it doesn't show up in the list= |
| 10:56.02 | flo` | what am i doing wrong? |
| 10:56.16 | fenugreek | IamTrying: http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+qemu+images ? |
| 10:56.24 | fenugreek | and of course you can boot any Debian-based livecd image |
| 10:56.40 | fenugreek | Morphix has a light Xfce version |
| 10:56.49 | fenugreek | used to use it on my 797MHz occasionally |
| 10:57.03 | IamTrying | fenugreek, thanks, i am writing something for me alone for a research |
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| 10:57.48 | fenugreek | also of course only takes what... 15 minutes to install Debian? |
| 10:58.30 | fenugreek | IamTrying: VirtualBox might actually perform better than QEMU for you (assuming QEMU isn't integral to your research) |
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| 10:59.11 | IamTrying | fenugreek, cool!! thanks |
| 11:01.09 | fenugreek | and by 'might' I mean 'probably' |
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| 11:01.54 | fenugreek | qemu can do cooler things, and is more open sourcey, but the performance is a little inferior unless you can use it as kvm... which you probably can't with an 800MHz proc |
| 11:02.14 | RawChid | Hey, I want to install Debian on my Desktop (I have a broadband connection) which CD should I download? I'm a bit confused on this page: http://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 11:02.30 | fenugreek | since it needs egrep 'svm|vmx' /proc/cpuinfo to return something, and usually it's higher end procs that have those features |
| 11:02.53 | fenugreek | RawChid: for a desktop system, or a server, or? |
| 11:03.00 | RawChid | Desktop |
| 11:03.20 | tweek_ | RawChid: i would take this one: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.1a-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 11:03.32 | tweek_ | it's the link from the front page |
| 11:03.35 | fenugreek | RawChid: what processor do you have? |
| 11:03.38 | tweek_ | netinstall, since you have broadband |
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| 11:04.04 | fenugreek | I usually prefer the testing branch for "desktop" computers, as opposed to server boxes |
| 11:04.18 | fenugreek | the software versions will be more fresh by default |
| 11:04.30 | fenugreek | on servers that's much less relevant |
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| 11:05.08 | RawChid | Oke, thanks |
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| 11:05.33 | fenugreek | RawChid: you know whether your processor is 64-bit or not? |
| 11:05.38 | RawChid | I'm using mainly Ubuntu for a couple of years now. Isn't there something as a iso of 600 MB? |
| 11:05.41 | RawChid | Yes, 64 bits |
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| 11:05.55 | fenugreek | there is, but why download 600MB when you can download 50MB? |
| 11:06.20 | abrotman | RawChid: we'll recommend the netinst .. the bizcard and full CDs/DVDs only make sense in certain situations |
| 11:06.20 | RawChid | BEcause at the moment I'm on a very fast connection. At home I have ~400 KB/s |
| 11:06.26 | fenugreek | 57MB: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-businesscard.iso |
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| 11:06.35 | abrotman | did he ask to install testing? |
| 11:06.44 | fenugreek | he didn't specify |
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| 11:06.53 | blackshirt | hello |
| 11:06.59 | abrotman | i wouldn't use testing unless i had a good reason |
| 11:07.04 | fenugreek | he's coming from Ubuntu, it's even more likely he'll find stable odd |
| 11:07.07 | abrotman | or i knew how to get out of broken situations |
| 11:07.14 | RawChid | Well, I'm new to debian and just want to try it out. |
| 11:07.16 | abrotman | fenugreek: he'll also find it pretty crappy when X won't install |
| 11:07.17 | blackshirt | can we install kfreebsd kernel on debian linux installed ? |
| 11:07.23 | fenugreek | abrotman: that's happened to you? |
| 11:07.29 | fenugreek | because it hasn't ever to me |
| 11:07.29 | abrotman | blackshirt: linux and freebsd are different kernels |
| 11:07.36 | abrotman | fenugreek: it was happening a few weeks ago |
| 11:07.37 | RawChid | For this first time, it's better for me to have a stable installation |
| 11:07.45 | fenugreek | abrotman: it's probably happened to people on stable, too |
| 11:07.51 | abrotman | fenugreek: uhm .. no |
| 11:08.01 | fenugreek | RawChid: stable is great, but you should know it's nothing like Ubuntu's definition of 'stable' |
| 11:08.02 | abrotman | not if they're only using stable |
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| 11:08.10 | fenugreek | it's realllllly stable |
| 11:08.13 | blackshirt | abrotman: thanks, i mean debian gnu/linux and debian gnu/kfreebsd... |
| 11:08.15 | fenugreek | abrotman: sure sure |
| 11:08.43 | RawChid | Oke, let me put it this way. Testing, is that stable? Or can I expect crashes, need to fix things by hand etc? |
| 11:08.53 | fenugreek | stable equivalent of what I linked is here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.1a-amd64-businesscard.iso |
| 11:08.54 | abrotman | RawChid: we would recommend that if you're new to Debian, start with stable (currently squeeze), and if you find it unsuitable for some reason, try testing (currently wheezy) .. but testing does break, things crash, etc |
| 11:09.08 | RawChid | Ack |
| 11:09.09 | fenugreek | RawChid: it's less stable than Debian stable, but probably more stable than Ubuntu stable |
| 11:09.10 | jelly-home | blackshirt: different kernels, different userspace -- you have to make a new installation |
| 11:09.19 | abrotman | especially when testing is this far from release |
| 11:09.22 | fenugreek | RawChid: you can try one and see how you like it |
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| 11:09.48 | RawChid | fenugreek, on Ubuntu I'll stick to LTS when I want stability |
| 11:10.02 | fenugreek | and that's smart |
| 11:10.03 | blackshirt | jelly-home: hmm..thanks.. |
| 11:10.21 | RawChid | Yes, thanks for the insights all! I'll try some thins out. |
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| 11:10.38 | abrotman | RawChid: same situation in Debian .. if you want stable, use stable .. if you want a bumpy ride, use testing .. |
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| 11:11.11 | fenugreek | coming from Ubuntu much will be the same, since it's a Debian derivative distro; your greatest benefit will be increased stability, with testing or stable I'd say |
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| 11:11.58 | Bartzy|work | When I backup Maildirs, do I need to stop the mail server in order to get a consistent backup ? |
| 11:12.21 | RawChid | Yes, I used debian on a server a year ago. So it won't be very new to me |
| 11:12.50 | abrotman | Bartzy|work: you mean to sync the actual mail files with the folder db ? |
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| 11:14.01 | jelly-home | abrotman: what folder db? |
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| 11:14.19 | abrotman | jelly-home: like in cyrus, the "seen" db |
| 11:14.26 | abrotman | or "subscribed" db |
| 11:14.33 | jelly-home | that's not part of Maildir format |
| 11:14.37 | abrotman | i realize that |
| 11:14.46 | abrotman | he didn't specify which imapd he was using |
| 11:14.57 | Bartzy|work | abrotman: No, just backup the Maildir of each user. |
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| 11:15.53 | jelly-home | Bartzy|work: it's probably enough to stop delivery to the particular folder getting backed up |
| 11:16.04 | Bartzy|work | abrotman: dovecot. |
| 11:16.19 | Bartzy|work | jelly-home: How can I stop delivery? Through the MTA ? |
| 11:16.35 | abrotman | Bartzy|work: how much mail/how many users are we talking about? |
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| 11:16.50 | jelly-home | Bartzy|work: with qmail MDA, you chmod +t ~username |
| 11:17.07 | jelly-home | Bartzy|work: and remove the sticky bit afterwards |
| 11:17.12 | Bartzy|work | abrotman: 250+ users |
| 11:17.15 | jelly-home | dunno about others |
| 11:18.20 | jelly-home | if you worry about consistency, you could just put your mailstore on LVM and backup snapshots |
| 11:19.47 | Bartzy|work | cool! What about if a user moves/deletes stuff from his IMAP mailbox while the backup is happening ? His/her mailbox backup won't be consistent... So do I need to stop my imapd (dovecot) server ? |
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| 11:21.09 | jelly-home | all of that is irrelevant with a blockdev-based snapshot like the one LVM can provide |
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| 11:21.42 | Pupeno_ | Anybody using s3fs? Is it reliable? does it play nicely with Debian (5.0)? |
| 11:22.18 | Bartzy|work | jelly-home: What does that mean ? |
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| 11:23.50 | mcurran | Anyone here have CUDA working with Squeeze or in particular pyrit with cuda (cpyrit_cuda)? I can't get it to compile for the life of me. |
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| 11:24.48 | jelly-home | Bartzy|work: lvm snapshot is a point-in-time frozen image of the whole filesystem; it's a separate device from the original, all the writes are going elsewhere and it doesn't get changed, so there can be no inconsistencies |
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| 11:25.15 | xro2 | hi, i have a basic question... in a crontab... 0 12 * * * --> will run every day at 12h00, right? |
| 11:25.51 | jelly-home | xro2: yes, providing there are no syntax issues elsewhere in the crontab file |
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| 11:26.17 | xro2 | jelly-home, ok... thanks for the confirmation |
| 11:28.04 | Bartzy|work | jelly-home: Yeah, but if the current filesystem is inconsistent, like something in a buffer of some sort - When you'll restore that backup it can be curropted |
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| 11:28.12 | Bartzy|work | corrupted* |
| 11:28.42 | jelly-home | Bartzy|work: it's as inconsisent as it would be in case of a power failure |
| 11:28.47 | Bartzy|work | You can't take a lvm snapshot of a mysql DB and expect the backup to be consistent if you don't stop mysql. My question is if Maildirs are not like that at all... |
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| 11:30.46 | jelly-home | Bartzy|work: I think we need to define what "consistent" means at this point. Some of the latest data will be lost, sure. But the structure will not be any worse than if you unplugged the machine from the wall. |
| 11:31.17 | jelly-home | Bartzy|work: mysql can recover from that in most cases, and so can a Maildir folder. |
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| 11:32.55 | Bartzy|work | Unplugging the machine from the wall is NOT good. It's indeed not consistent. Consistent to me is when I restore there will be no data corruption. |
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| 11:33.10 | Bartzy|work | most cases is the 2 words I'm looking for. |
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| 11:34.53 | Bartzy|work | I want it to be able to recover from all cases. That's why I backup. So I can recover from it. Actually I don't even want it to "be able to recover". I want it not to care.. just read the data as nothing happened.... Am I wrong in thinking like that ? |
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| 11:39.23 | celthunder | i hate to be the one to tell you Bartzy|work but...that's theoretically impossible to cover vfor all cases no matter what |
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| 11:47.18 | codingrobot | i'd like xargs to use ',' as a delimiter but for some reason it still uses '\n'. any tips on solving that? |
| 11:48.13 | codingrobot | xargs | sed -r "s/ /\,/g" is what i want to achieve |
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| 11:51.41 | claint | codingrobot: read the xargs manpage. |
| 11:52.17 | fenugreek | claint: and then do my dishes |
| 11:52.47 | claint | fenugreek: i did check the manpage if it was there. that is the work I did. |
| 11:53.06 | claint | s/if/to see if/ |
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| 11:53.58 | codingrobot | claint: i did! -d, doesn't work |
| 11:54.25 | claint | codingrobot: add -L 1 then |
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| 11:55.02 | codingrobot | still doesn't work |
| 11:56.16 | claint | echo "foo,bar,sid" | xargs -d, -L 1 echo |
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| 11:57.12 | dury | hi there all :) |
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| 11:57.30 | codingrobot | sort -f | xargs ... |
| 11:57.55 | fenugreek | hi dury |
| 11:58.27 | dury | I need a help how to install flashplugin in iceweasel under lxde x window manager |
| 11:59.02 | dury | it's squeezy |
| 11:59.12 | jelly-home | Bartzy|work: it's not good, but it happens. I consider the loss equivalent to that acceptable. If you don't, you'll have to start thinking about active/active clusters and I don't think you want to go there for a simple mail server |
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| 12:00.09 | fenugreek | dury: it's just flashplugin-nonfree, isn't it? |
| 12:00.10 | dury | fenugreek: any idea how to do it? |
| 12:00.24 | Bartzy|work | jelly-home: I read a bit (and asked) about how Maildir works and how unlink/rename are atomic... I understand the logic now, thanks |
| 12:00.30 | jelly-home | dury: /msg dpkg adobe flash |
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| 12:01.39 | dury | jelly-home: one minute please |
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| 12:01.49 | dury | be back right now |
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| 12:09.59 | dury | back again hi there all |
| 12:10.54 | claint | fenugreek: ok, where are the dirty dishes now? |
| 12:10.57 | dury | jelly-home: how was the command you ssent to me |
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| 12:11.41 | dury | jelly-home: something like /dmgs what else |
| 12:12.12 | abrotman | !tell dury about adobe flash |
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| 12:18.11 | dury | not clear abrotman |
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| 12:18.33 | dury | under lxde x window manager |
| 12:20.10 | dury | it doesn't go to the point http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer of my need |
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| 12:21.35 | fenugreek | dury: what the bot says is all you need, really |
| 12:21.40 | Yeretik | Can anybody help me to build the correct debmirror line to make a local repository of openthinclient ? http://openthinclient.org/Packages#Activate_unstable_repositories |
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| 12:22.26 | fenugreek | dury: just need to add the contrib repo, then install the package |
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| 12:23.18 | dury | fenugreek: could you help me pleased the steps I have to follow? |
| 12:23.41 | dury | pleased = please |
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| 12:24.23 | dury | I'm reading it but not clear for me |
| 12:24.53 | fenugreek | dury: /msg dpkg contrib |
| 12:25.12 | dury | hang on |
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| 12:28.04 | dury | as root? |
| 12:28.25 | fenugreek | if required |
| 12:28.35 | fenugreek | if you need to be root, you won't be allowed to do it as non-root |
| 12:28.59 | dury | right |
| 12:30.02 | dury | bash: /msg: No existe el fichero o el directorio |
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| 12:30.25 | dury | doesn't exist the file or directory |
| 12:30.29 | fenugreek | which? |
| 12:31.10 | dury | after typing what you said I've got that |
| 12:31.20 | fenugreek | dury: in IRC... |
| 12:31.41 | fenugreek | instead of typing 'after typing what...', type '/msg dpkg contrib' |
| 12:31.44 | fenugreek | then read the PM |
| 12:31.49 | tobiasBora | does anyone could help me about my scanner ? |
| 12:31.54 | fenugreek | tobiasBora: HP? |
| 12:32.02 | tobiasBora | fenugreek: yes ^^ |
| 12:32.10 | tobiasBora | HP Officejet Pro 8500 |
| 12:32.12 | dury | gesss I did tyhat |
| 12:32.18 | fenugreek | tobiasBora: check the hplip website see if it's supported |
| 12:32.33 | dury | tyhat = that |
| 12:32.43 | tobiasBora | I see on a page that it was good supported. |
| 12:32.54 | tobiasBora | i'm looking in hplip |
| 12:33.18 | fenugreek | tobiasBora: looking is for tourists, install =P |
| 12:33.38 | fenugreek | dury: what? |
| 12:35.36 | tobiasBora | fenugreek: I've install hplip ^^ |
| 12:36.01 | fenugreek | might have to run its config script, might not |
| 12:36.12 | fenugreek | what is it, hp-test? |
| 12:36.14 | fenugreek | or hp-scan |
| 12:36.28 | fenugreek | the GUI bits might be in another package starting with hplip, if you want them |
| 12:36.38 | fenugreek | dpkg -L hplip | grep bin |
| 12:36.38 | dpkg | ii hplip | grep bin 1.9-14.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 12:36.58 | dury | gesss I did /msg dpkg contrib |
| 12:37.04 | fenugreek | dury: good |
| 12:37.15 | dury | but not success |
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| 12:37.41 | dury | it say doesn' exist that file |
| 12:37.50 | fenugreek | dury: what says doesn't exist _which_ file? |
| 12:38.03 | dury | I told you |
| 12:38.07 | dury | the result |
| 12:38.16 | dury | bash: /msg: No existe el fichero o el directorio |
| 12:38.17 | fenugreek | you told me the result of running an IRC command in bash |
| 12:38.29 | dury | no in terminal |
| 12:38.32 | tobiasBora | fenugreek: I've launch hp-setup. Is it hplip or not ? |
| 12:38.37 | abrotman | dury: please put your sources.list in a pastebin .. |
| 12:38.39 | fenugreek | dury: which is running bash |
| 12:38.52 | fenugreek | tobiasBora: yeah that's it, IIRC |
| 12:39.23 | dury | ok abrotman one second |
| 12:39.47 | timo | how about |
| 12:39.48 | timo | !tell dury about contrib |
| 12:40.19 | tobiasBora | fenugreek: when I use hp-setup, and I choose "net" (my printer is plug by ethernet cable), I've an error... |
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| 12:40.44 | Yeretik | I need to debmirror a third-party repository... can anybody help with that ? |
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| 12:41.02 | endi25 | ciao |
| 12:41.07 | endi25 | !list |
| 12:41.07 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 12:41.41 | Yeretik | !list |
| 12:41.41 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 12:41.48 | Yeretik | Jaj |
| 12:41.55 | dury | abrotman: which is the url of pastebin |
| 12:42.17 | dury | just pastebin.com |
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| 12:43.09 | gnugr | !pastebin |
| 12:43.09 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 12:44.03 | abrotman | dury: paste.debian.net works very well |
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| 12:44.37 | dury | abrotman: ok there I go... |
| 12:44.47 | gnugr | !tell Yeretik -about sources.list |
| 12:44.57 | tobiasBora | fenugreek: I'm install the first time my printer with cups. |
| 12:45.13 | abrotman | gnugr: that's not what he wants .. and isn't going to help him |
| 12:45.33 | abrotman | dury: did you actually paste it? i don't see it at paste.debian.net |
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| 12:45.51 | dury | abrotman: hang on |
| 12:46.08 | fenugreek | tobiasBora: you should only need to install hplip and run the setup |
| 12:46.27 | Yeretik | gnugr What i need is to have a local mirror of a third-party repository |
| 12:46.29 | fenugreek | another reason to like HP |
| 12:46.54 | Yeretik | gnugr Using debmirror |
| 12:47.03 | abrotman | Yeretik: there are tools to mirror it, or use something like approx to setup an apt proxy |
| 12:47.10 | tobiasBora | fenugreek: I'll try to install a more recent version of Hplip |
| 12:47.20 | ectospasm | is esound appropriate for setting up network audio (playing sounds on one machine and listening to them on another), or is pulseaudio supposed to do all that now? |
| 12:47.51 | fenugreek | tobiasBora: why, what's going on? |
| 12:47.52 | abrotman | dury: have that paste yet? |
| 12:47.54 | Yeretik | abrotman, What tools ? I'm trying debmirror, but unsuccess |
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| 12:47.58 | dury | abrotman: done it http://paste.debian.net/115235/ |
| 12:48.01 | abrotman | Yeretik: so tell us the error ? |
| 12:48.20 | fenugreek | ectospasm: pretty sure you can do that without either of those, though they might make it simpler |
| 12:48.22 | abrotman | dury: at the end of every line put " contrib non-free" |
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| 12:48.28 | abrotman | dury: spaces are important |
| 12:48.45 | abrotman | dury: sorry, the end of all lines except the cdrom lines |
| 12:48.57 | Yeretik | abrotman, Is more about the repo structure, i don't know how to express it at debmirror |
| 12:49.15 | Yeretik | abrotman, The repo is on http://archive.openthinclient.org/openthinclient/ |
| 12:49.18 | dury | abrotman: right |
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| 12:49.46 | abrotman | Yeretik: and which version of debmirror are you using? (dpkg -l debmirror) |
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| 12:50.41 | abrotman | dury: then `aptitude update; aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree' |
| 12:51.10 | Yeretik | abrotman, 1:2.4.5 |
| 12:51.49 | abrotman | Yeretik: and which arguments are you trying to use? |
| 12:51.58 | abrotman | Yeretik: why not just use a proxy instead of mirroring the whole thing? |
| 12:52.19 | Yeretik | abrotman, debmirror . --passive --progress --verbose --host=archive.openthinclient.org --root=openthinclient/manager --method=http --ignore-release-gpg |
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| 12:52.38 | ectospasm | fenugreek: I can't seem to find any guides on exactly *how* to do it. |
| 12:52.44 | Yeretik | abrotman, And it returns me: GET http://archive.openthinclient.org/openthinclient/manager/dists/sid/Release ==> 404 Not Found |
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| 12:52.58 | tobiasBora | fenugreek: I think that I've install hplip by apt-get. But the version is 2.86 (I think), and My printer need 3.xxx. So I try to install a new version. |
| 12:53.04 | dury | abrotman: done it, then |
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| 12:53.21 | abrotman | dury: and it installed successfully ? |
| 12:53.27 | tobiasBora | Just, version, is it correct ? What's the difference between version and release ? |
| 12:54.03 | Deeps | hiya, using debian squeeze, wondering if anyone knows of a CLI tool for managing music + video on ipods? i've found libgpod and libimobiledevice, but i cant find any supporting cli tools to actually do the job itself, all the tools seem to be for X. any tips? |
| 12:54.15 | abrotman | Yeretik: if you try -d os-hardy ? |
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| 12:55.00 | abrotman | Yeretik: you might have a really hard time with this .. their mirror is a "non-standard" setup |
| 12:55.09 | dury | abrotman: I mean I only put the sentence at the end of which line as you said... that's all I did ... and now what I should do |
| 12:55.10 | abrotman | Yeretik: debmirror may not be capable of handling that |
| 12:55.13 | Yeretik | abrotman, The same: [ 0%] Getting: dists/os-hardy/Release #** GET http://archive.openthinclient.org/openthinclient/manager/dists/os-hardy/Release ==> 404 Not Found |
| 12:55.14 | Bushmills | Deeps: gnupod-tools? |
| 12:55.17 | abrotman | dury: then `aptitude update; aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree' |
| 12:55.30 | abrotman | Yeretik: and there is no "dists" directory ... |
| 12:55.34 | dury | abrotman: right |
| 12:55.42 | dury | abrotman: hang on |
| 12:55.42 | Deeps | Bushmills: that might be exactly what i'm looking for, thank you |
| 12:55.43 | Yeretik | abrotman, So how can i handle those kind of mirrors ? |
| 12:55.59 | Yeretik | abrotman, I saw there's not a dists directory |
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| 12:56.46 | abrotman | Yeretik: perhaps apt-mirror can handle it better? |
| 12:56.57 | abrotman | Yeretik: why are you against using a proxy? |
| 12:56.58 | Yeretik | Let me try |
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| 12:57.45 | DammitJim | what is a good way to test connection speed between two linux boxes? |
| 12:57.51 | Yeretik | abrotman, The problem with use a prosy is that users behind me don't have internet access, i'm the provider |
| 12:58.08 | abrotman | Yeretik: okay .. i still dont' see the problem .. they were going to use your mirror anyway .. same idea |
| 12:59.21 | DammitJim | two debian boxes, I might add... one is a pc and the other is a buffalo linkstation :) |
| 12:59.30 | abrotman | Yeretik: instead of pointing at your mirror, they point at your proxy .. the proxy has internet access, your users do not .. the proxy will get packages it needs to via its internet, the users will never know |
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| 13:00.07 | abrotman | Yeretik: i've had great luck with approx where i've used it |
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| 13:00.27 | Yeretik | abrotman, I will consider this... Now i'm reading about apt-mirror |
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| 13:00.53 | abrotman | Yeretik: and the proxy will only download what you need, not an entire archive |
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| 13:02.21 | Deeps | Bushmills: hmm, no, that only works with the old gen ipods that can be mounted as usb mass storage :/ need something that'll work with libimobiledevice i think |
| 13:02.29 | Deeps | Bushmills: thanks anyway though |
| 13:02.57 | LjL | my unstable seems to be broken. i installed bitcoind (which installed gcc-4.6-base libstdc++6 libdb4.8++), and when i tried to start it i got "/usr/lib/bitcoin/bitcoind: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: undefined symbol: _ZNSt8messagesIcE2idE, version GLIBCXX_3.4" - now i seem to get a similar message whenever i try to run programs, like apt-get or smartctl |
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| 13:04.16 | jelly-home | LjL: dpkg -l libstdc++6 |tail -1 ? |
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| 13:04.43 | LjL | jelly-home: ii libstdc++6 4.6.0-5 The GNU Standard C++ Library v3 |
| 13:05.04 | jelly-home | LjL: so downgrade to the one from testing, download it manually and install with dpkg |
| 13:05.11 | LjL | ok |
| 13:06.07 | jelly-home | !dbugs 623280 |
| 13:06.12 | dpkg | #623280:N[libstdc++6] /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: undefined symbol: _ZNSt8messagesIcE2idE, version GLIBCXX_3.4 (); Mon, 18 Apr 2011 23:51:01 UTC [] |
| 13:06.13 | DammitJim | how can one see the maximum interface speed of a nic? |
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| 13:06.39 | jelly-home | DammitJim: ethtool ifacenamehere |
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| 13:06.56 | jelly-home | assuming it's an wired interface |
| 13:07.00 | DammitJim | yes, it is |
| 13:07.19 | abrotman | that's the 'engineering' speed .. not the real life speed |
| 13:07.32 | DammitJim | man, transfering 600GBs of data is taking forever between these two machines! |
| 13:07.52 | DammitJim | yeah, I'm basically looking at forcing the speed to the max instead of auto-negotiate |
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| 13:08.17 | DammitJim | I want to test this because someone told me you get slightly better performance because it doesn't keep re-negotiating the speed |
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| 13:08.49 | jelly-home | DammitJim: have you tested the interfaces with something that doesn't depend on CPU or disks much, like iperf? |
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| 13:10.01 | optraz | what package i need to install in order to display the square box into proper mandarin character? |
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| 13:11.10 | LjL | jelly-home: done, but i still get the error with apt-get. (i did ldconfig too) |
| 13:11.27 | LjL | apt-get: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: undefined symbol: _ZNSt8messagesIcE2idE, version GLIBCXX_3.4 |
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| 13:11.57 | jelly-home | LjL: even after downgrading libstdc++6 to 4.6.0-2? |
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| 13:12.22 | LjL | ii libstdc++6 4.6.0-2 The GNU Standard C++ Library v3 |
| 13:12.39 | jelly-home | so it's something else then |
| 13:12.40 | LjL | (i also had to downgrade gcc-4.6-base as it was its dependency) |
| 13:13.10 | jelly-home | ,versions apt |
| 13:13.11 | judd | Package apt on i386 -- lenny-security: 0.7.20.2+lenny1; lenny: 0.7.20.2+lenny2; squeeze: 0.8.10.3; wheezy: 0.8.13.1; sid: 0.8.14.1 |
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| 13:13.24 | DammitJim | jelly-home, that was going to be my next step if nobody said anything |
| 13:13.26 | LjL | downgrade apt? |
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| 13:13.44 | DammitJim | iperf could give me a fairly good idea... that isolates hard drive speed and stuff, right? |
| 13:13.45 | optraz | what package i need to install in order to display the square box into proper mandarin character? |
| 13:13.51 | jelly-home | LjL: judging by the bug report above, I'm not sure that's going to help |
| 13:14.00 | simonlnu | fonts that support it |
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| 13:14.13 | jelly-home | DammitJim: that's the idea |
| 13:14.16 | simonlnu | !repeat |
| 13:14.16 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:14.48 | jelly-home | DammitJim: if the numbers are still lowish, give it larger tcp window size, say -w2M |
| 13:14.59 | jelly-home | DammitJim: both client and server side |
| 13:15.21 | LjL | jelly-home: oh i missed that one... then i guess my best bet is to just wait for the evolution of that bug report? or, since it says "pulled in a new libstdc++6 w/o first upgrading libc6", perhaps i should upgrade or downgrade libc6? |
| 13:15.42 | DammitJim | jelly-home, the window size is automatically adjusted by the client and the server, though... so that wouldn't help me when transfering files when using rsync over ssh, right? |
| 13:15.57 | jelly-home | DammitJim: it's quite possible your NAS has just a too slow cpu for additional ssh burden |
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| 13:16.28 | DammitJim | yeah, I did notice that it was "faster" when just transfering over samba |
| 13:16.29 | DammitJim | :( |
| 13:16.35 | jelly-home | LjL: you could reply to that and ask for further instructions |
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| 13:16.45 | DammitJim | but I hate the fact that it wasn't preserving the properties of the files |
| 13:17.26 | optraz | ttf-arphic-ukai ttf-arphic-uming |
| 13:17.27 | simonlnu | doesn't use samba if he doesn't have to (i.e., no windows hosts present) |
| 13:17.27 | optraz | these two |
| 13:17.28 | jelly-home | DammitJim: you could use nfs, or some sort of network block device (nbd, iscsi) |
| 13:17.29 | optraz | :) |
| 13:17.55 | simonlnu | optraz: among others yes |
| 13:17.57 | DammitJim | *sigh*... and I thought i was done with this "home project" LOL |
| 13:18.04 | DammitJim | I'm just glad I got debian in the NAS |
| 13:18.15 | Deeps | DammitJim: could also try using a different cipher on your ssh overhead (eg. blowfish) |
| 13:18.16 | jelly-home | DammitJim: or a new enough samba at both ends, one that has those POSIX extensions that give unix ownerships and permissions |
| 13:18.18 | simonlnu | the 'home project' is *never* done ;) |
| 13:18.58 | simonlnu | blowfish or arc4 |
| 13:19.03 | jelly-home | DammitJim: I just gave up on my NAS, it couldn't do more than 200Mbps, and connected the disks directly over eSATA |
| 13:19.10 | DammitJim | top doesn't show a lot of CPU usage on the NAS... just 3% |
| 13:19.12 | simonlnu | fast and secure |
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| 13:19.13 | optraz | simonlnu: what among other? it is.. |
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| 13:19.37 | DammitJim | jelly-home, what kinda nas did you have? |
| 13:19.43 | simonlnu | optraz: i don't know, but i've seen a few enter sid over the last months. |
| 13:20.01 | optraz | these too ttf-arphic-gbsn00lp ttf-arphic-bkai00mp ttf-arphic-bsmi00lp ttf-arphic-gkai00mp |
| 13:20.02 | DammitJim | sorry, that was the PC, not the nas... the nas is using 77% CPU and 20% rsync |
| 13:20.22 | optraz | now if soeone can request dpkg to remember those like mandarin fonts, that will be awesome.. |
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| 13:20.41 | jelly-home | DammitJim: um, this thing: nas-4220.org |
| 13:21.27 | jelly-home | DammitJim: if you have debian and you're running on a trusted network, and you're using rsync exclusively, set up a rsync server |
| 13:21.55 | DammitJim | jelly-home, that's different than installing rsync? |
| 13:22.17 | jelly-home | yes, rsync has its own native protocol |
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| 13:23.29 | DammitJim | yeah, rsync is maxing out @ 1.6MBps on hard drive speed |
| 13:23.41 | simonlnu | jelly-home: that's a rather nice box for a nas |
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| 13:24.22 | Yeretik | abrotman, I'm using apt-mirror and is working... Thanks !!! |
| 13:24.35 | Yeretik | abrotman, Anyway, i will read more about approx |
| 13:24.40 | Yeretik | abrotman, Thanks a lot |
| 13:24.52 | abrotman | Yeretik: enjoy! but still, a proxy is probably a more bleh leaving grrr *smack* |
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| 13:27.16 | jelly-home | simonlnu: it's a crappy arm v4t not good for anything serious |
| 13:27.58 | jelly-home | simonlnu: can't handle its main purpose -- being an external backup storage |
| 13:28.05 | DammitJim | jelly-home, what is the deal with an rsync server? is that a faster protocol than rsync over ssh? |
| 13:28.17 | jelly-home | DammitJim: it's not encrypted at all. |
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| 13:28.30 | simonlnu | jelly-home: :/. more ram or cpu juice maybe |
| 13:28.52 | DammitJim | what is the load for encryption? you guys make it sound like it's more than 25%? |
| 13:28.58 | jelly-home | simonlnu: it's a 8x10cm board with a SoC |
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| 13:30.15 | kurohyou | hi, i just bought 2 x wd20ears drives to use as storage on my debian testing install, anybody here has the same drives? i've read on the net that there are several problems with these drives like parking the heads to fast and so on? |
| 13:30.50 | DammitJim | man, iperf says 86Mbits/s |
| 13:31.06 | jelly-home | DammitJim: that sounds like a 100Mbps connection |
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| 13:31.34 | LjL | jelly-home: manually upgrading libc6 to the latest sid version fixed apt-get, now apt-get -f install is fixing the resulting breakage and hopefully all will go well... |
| 13:31.43 | simonlnu | jelly-home: sounds like my mp3 player with extra ram and a larger board attached ;p |
| 13:31.44 | DammitJim | making the window bigger didn't affect it |
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| 13:32.08 | jelly-home | LjL: oh, so it was libc6 vs... something :-> |
| 13:32.10 | simonlnu | plus some nics and an hrng |
| 13:32.11 | DammitJim | hhhmmm.. maybe it will make a difference if I stick a 1000Mbps switch |
| 13:32.41 | justin_ | DammitJim: how fast is the cpu on this nas box of yours? |
| 13:33.03 | LjL | jelly-home: well i'm not sure, but i think libstdc++ should have depended on the latest libc6, but it didn't. so, since i hadn't upgraded the system in quite some time, i had an old incompatible version of libc6... |
| 13:33.10 | simonlnu | my player: 400 MHz ARMv9e |
| 13:33.27 | DammitJim | 400 MHz ARM v9 |
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| 13:33.40 | simonlnu | popular cpu ;) |
| 13:33.43 | jelly-home | simonlnu: that one would be able to do gigabits if it had phy |
| 13:33.46 | DammitJim | justin_, it's from a Buffalo Linkstation Pro |
| 13:34.06 | justin_ | yeah, that's not going to saturate a 100mbit link, let alone a 1000mbit one |
| 13:34.25 | DammitJim | ok, so my partial bottleneck could be my router |
| 13:34.32 | justin_ | iperf is a best case scenario (no disk IO) and it only managed 86 |
| 13:34.37 | justin_ | no, 400mhz is slow as shit |
| 13:34.44 | DammitJim | oh LOL |
| 13:34.53 | DammitJim | dammit! |
| 13:34.59 | justin_ | try dd'ing a file to /dev/null, you'l see |
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| 13:35.12 | justin_ | even without the network it is probably only managing a few megabytes/sec off the disk |
| 13:35.35 | jelly-home | justin_: uh... it CAN'T go much more tham 80-90Mbps on a 100Mbps link, the link is the bottleneck |
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| 13:35.49 | justin_ | a 100mbit link will easily do 100mbit |
| 13:35.54 | DammitJim | I'll try the Gigabit switch tonight |
| 13:36.00 | justin_ | especially with iperf |
| 13:36.07 | justin_ | DammitJim: not going to help |
| 13:36.12 | DammitJim | justin_, I'd expect that from iperf in UDP, but not TCP |
| 13:36.16 | jelly-home | justin_: my ~100MHz arm v4t could do 200Mbps (but not much more ;-) |
| 13:36.23 | simonlnu | uh, overhead? |
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| 13:36.44 | jelly-home | 10% off for tcp is very good |
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| 13:36.52 | simonlnu | yes |
| 13:37.06 | simonlnu | (even i know that) |
| 13:38.27 | justin_ | 86 isn't 10% it's 14 |
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| 13:38.51 | justin_ | the one random machine I can find still on 100m gets 95mbit using tcp |
| 13:39.14 | jelly-home | shrug |
| 13:39.23 | DammitJim | hhmmmm.... UDP it's transfering @ 87.2 Mbps |
| 13:39.55 | DammitJim | but is that because iperf is hammering the cpu more than a file transfer? meaning... iperf has to generate all the packets |
| 13:40.13 | DammitJim | oh, but I do have an rsync going right now |
| 13:40.18 | jelly-home | DammitJim: you're joking, right |
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| 13:40.28 | justin_ | no, iperf is your best case scenario |
| 13:40.32 | DammitJim | -b10M was 10Mbps |
| 13:40.37 | DammitJim | oh ok... just making sure |
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| 13:42.10 | DammitJim | man, at this rate, my backup is going to take about 48 hours LOL |
| 13:42.14 | jelly-home | DammitJim: well, if you want to measure network throughput you ought to stop other transfers. You could test 1000Gbps with a crossover cat 5e or cat 6 cable in absence of a gigabit switch |
| 13:42.33 | justin_ | generating data is easy, I wrote a stupid network tester in python that easily generates 2000+mbit |
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| 13:42.53 | DammitJim | justin_, you mean easy for you or easy for the machine? |
| 13:43.02 | justin_ | what? |
| 13:43.19 | DammitJim | you are pointing out something that you did |
| 13:43.29 | DammitJim | here I am concerned with the capabilities of the system |
| 13:43.40 | DammitJim | not the coder |
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| 13:43.58 | jelly-home | DammitJim: 600GB / (11MB/s) isn't going to be much faster anyway, and 11MB/s is the best you can get out of a 100Mbps link |
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| 13:44.01 | DammitJim | that's why I asked if you were refering to generating data being easy for you or for the system? |
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| 13:44.15 | justin_ | DammitJim: on that box, do a 'dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile bs=1M count=100' |
| 13:44.42 | Nikratio | I have trouble getting my intel 82562V-2 10/100 network adapter (lspci) to work in testing. dmesg says "e1000e 0000:00:19.0: eth0: Intel(R) PRO/10/100 Network Connection", but ifconfig doesn't know about the eth0 device. Any suggestions? |
| 13:44.49 | justin_ | DammitJim: what the hell are you talking about? |
| 13:44.49 | jelly-home | DammitJim: 14 hours in ideal conditions |
| 13:44.51 | DammitJim | thank you jelly-home ... I'm just trying to pick on the things I might be able to improve |
| 13:45.14 | justin_ | DammitJim: the system is the one generating the data, the fact that I wrote the program is irrelevant |
| 13:45.37 | DammitJim | that's all I was asking, justin_ thanks |
| 13:45.58 | jelly-home | DammitJim: get a gigabit link; test w/ iperf again; test ssh; get rid of ssh |
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| 13:46.12 | DammitJim | yeah, I think I'll give those a try |
| 13:46.26 | DammitJim | I'm reading up on rsync server now... it seems all I need to do is create a conf file for it |
| 13:46.35 | DammitJim | and set up some users |
| 13:46.36 | justin_ | DammitJim: try iperf on that machine over loopback |
| 13:46.56 | justin_ | with default settings on my desktop I get 7.67 Gbit |
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| 13:47.19 | DammitJim | thanks guys |
| 13:47.20 | jelly-home | loopback just exercises the cpu |
| 13:47.25 | justin_ | jelly-home: exactly |
| 13:47.51 | DammitJim | hhhmmmm.... maybe my cheap hard drive is the bottleneck, too |
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| 13:48.05 | justin_ | DammitJim: you did the dd test? it's probably not the drive, the controller probably sucks too |
| 13:48.23 | DammitJim | no, I can't do any of these tests while the transfer is happening |
| 13:48.23 | Eightamrock | good morning all - is there a good resource that I can go to and start learning about best practices in security for linux installs? I feel like i know enough to be dangerous about getting a box up and running, but want to gain more expertise on it (and also keep my system safe) |
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| 13:48.46 | DammitJim | I have to let this directory finish.. that's my most precious data and it's only another hours |
| 13:48.48 | DammitJim | hour |
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| 13:48.58 | DammitJim | then I'll stop the job |
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| 13:49.38 | DammitJim | ok, brb |
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| 13:57.56 | Mikoman | is it posible to mount ntfs from debian rescue mode? :S |
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| 13:58.27 | jelly-home | read-only mode (kernel driver) perhaps |
| 13:58.59 | jelly-home | Mikoman: what does " :S " mean? |
| 13:59.22 | Mikoman | jelly-home: its just a kind of smile (not happy one) |
| 13:59.54 | justin_ | Mikoman: why not? |
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| 14:00.03 | lorenzosu | Mikoman, may I ask what you want to achieve? |
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| 14:00.36 | jelly-home | wonders if anyone can provide a reference picture of a person making a face that might be reasonably transcribed as ":S" |
| 14:01.01 | gnugr | hehe |
| 14:01.04 | Mikoman | lorenzosu: maybe it will sounds crazy but i got a backup FS image on that drive. so i need to mount it and restore the image. |
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| 14:01.37 | lorenzosu | Mikoman, maybe use some live distro? |
| 14:01.48 | Mikoman | lorenzosu: hmm |
| 14:01.54 | Mikoman | lorenzosu: any suggestions? |
| 14:01.55 | jelly-home | Mikoman: get yourself a nice grml.org livecd instead of hoping d-i rescue will be good enough |
| 14:02.17 | justin_ | you could also just use the debian live cd |
| 14:02.45 | jelly-home | debian live can be... inadequate |
| 14:02.48 | lorenzosu | Mikoman, there are dozens and I guess all recent ones would mmount ntfs |
| 14:03.17 | lorenzosu | like the one jelly-home pointed out |
| 14:04.27 | Mikoman | ok will try. thx everyone |
| 14:04.27 | jelly-home | it's debian based and has all sorts of useful sysadmining stuff by default - screen, vim, zsh, nice chroot wrappers |
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| 14:04.39 | Pupeno_ | can I have more than one mail in the MAILTO of a cron? |
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| 14:04.58 | roe | Anyone know how to non-error output when using dump? |
| 14:05.04 | Mikoman | PS: any ideas if you can mount a rw ntfs with live distro? |
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| 14:06.01 | tobiasBora | Hi ! |
| 14:06.18 | roe | oy. Anyone know how to supress non-error output from dump |
| 14:06.18 | jelly-home | Pupeno_: MAILTO = address1@example.org,address2@example.com |
| 14:06.26 | tobiasBora | Thanks a lot, I've fenugreek, I've install with sucess my scanner !!! |
| 14:06.31 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 14:06.39 | Bushmills | roe: http://www.minimalinux.org/ttylinux/addons.html for ttylinux |
| 14:06.43 | lorenzosu | jelly-home, looks cool didn't know that one before |
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| 14:07.00 | Pupeno_ | jelly-home: thanks. |
| 14:07.09 | Bushmills | (ntfs-3g is what you'd be looking for) |
| 14:07.21 | tobiasBora | I've a question : I would like to install emacs23. How could I do it ? Can I find a "depot" or i've to compile sources ? |
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| 14:07.50 | roe | Bushmills, huh? |
| 14:07.54 | dury | just want to thank indeed to abrotman |
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| 14:08.05 | justin_ | tobiasBora: apt-get install emacs ? |
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| 14:08.11 | Bushmills | ,versions emacs23 |
| 14:08.11 | judd | Package emacs23 on i386 -- lenny-backports: 23.1+1-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 23.2+1-7; sid: 23.3+1-1; wheezy: 23.3+1-1 |
| 14:08.14 | dury | great supporter |
| 14:08.33 | roe | what does ntfs support have to do with dump? |
| 14:09.10 | dury | my flashplugin in iceweasel was success |
| 14:09.11 | Bushmills | roe: sry, that was meant for Mikoman. |
| 14:09.16 | dury | :) |
| 14:09.25 | roe | Bushmills, gotcha |
| 14:09.37 | dury | great distro Debian |
| 14:09.58 | tobiasBora | justin_: Yes but with this method, I've emacs22, And I would like 23. |
| 14:10.25 | Bushmills | tobiasBora: are you using sarge? or etch? |
| 14:10.33 | simonlnu | tobiasBora: how unless you're running lenny? |
| 14:10.48 | dury | once again thanks indeed channel for supporting :) |
| 14:10.48 | tobiasBora | judd: and how could I install ? |
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| 14:11.24 | simonlnu | judd is a bot |
| 14:11.24 | dury | be back later |
| 14:12.38 | tobiasBora | simonlnu: oups..; thanks. So how could I use 23 ? I've to use lennybackport depot ? |
| 14:12.54 | simonlnu | well, are you using lenny? and why? |
| 14:13.02 | Bushmills | !bdo |
| 14:13.02 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <backports-sloppy> <volatile>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 14:13.02 | simonlnu | !squeeze |
| 14:13.15 | simonlnu | !squeeze |
| 14:13.15 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.1>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
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| 14:14.52 | tobiasBora | simonlnu: I use lenny because when I've installed debian, it was lenny (I'm on a old computer.) squezze is better ? |
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| 14:15.04 | wuerfgha | tobago: you could always fetch ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/emacs/emacs-23.3.tar.gz ; tar -xvvzf ; ./configure ; make ; make install |
| 14:15.06 | wuerfgha | but that's jus' me. |
| 14:15.29 | tobago | wuerfgha: i guess you didn't mean me |
| 14:15.36 | wuerfgha | oh, sorry. |
| 14:15.40 | wuerfgha | tobiasBora: |
| 14:15.43 | simonlnu | tobiasBora: squeeze is the current stable. i also have old machines. |
| 14:15.56 | gordonjcp | hi all, in which repo would I find an MP3 encoder for Lenny? |
| 14:15.57 | tobiasBora | and lenny is older than squeeze ? |
| 14:16.21 | simonlnu | it's oldstable, yes, and won't be supported forever |
| 14:16.24 | gordonjcp | I'm guessing I need to add some sort of additional repository, since I can't find anything useful in the "normal" ones |
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| 14:17.06 | tobiasBora | simonlnu : please, have you the command to know what's the current release of debian that I've ? |
| 14:17.18 | simonlnu | !version |
| 14:17.18 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 14:19.04 | tobiasBora | simonlnu: yes, I'm on lenny. And how could I pass to squezze ? I've only to change the depots ? (in /etc/apt/sources.list) ? |
| 14:19.24 | simonlnu | dpkg: lenny>squeeze |
| 14:19.24 | dpkg | simonlnu: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 14:19.29 | simonlnu | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 14:19.29 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>. |
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| 14:20.01 | simonlnu | dpkg: wish you'd fix your -> bug |
| 14:20.01 | dpkg | simonlnu: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 14:20.32 | jelly-home | burn |
| 14:20.35 | tobiasBora | dpkg isn't happy ^^ |
| 14:20.35 | dpkg | tobiasBora: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 14:22.06 | mah454 | hello ... |
| 14:22.07 | jelly-home | tobiasBora: don't do a lenny->squeeze transition if you have work to do. This might take anywhere from 2-3 hours to multiple days, including the time to read the release notes and fix any breakage |
| 14:22.08 | xro2 | Hi, i'm looking for a norme that say wich network ports should be closed... Do you know one? (best practice) |
| 14:22.11 | mah454 | I need driver for DVR Series (E.Z.- UDVR BX) |
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| 14:22.34 | abrotman | xro2: the ones that aren't being used by remote services |
| 14:23.00 | blip- | hi all, I have LiveCD Debian Squeeze running on a laptop but it doesn't seem to detect my wifi. I want to download the secure-delete package on another machine from packages.debian.org/squeeze/secure-delete then copy it over. However it has some dependencies - is there a way to automatically download all depends ? |
| 14:23.14 | tobiasBora | jelly-home: thanks, I'll do it tonight. |
| 14:23.25 | xro2 | abrotman, yes all ports without a business justification.... but i need a paper that define it... for exemple port 23 should never be open |
| 14:24.04 | justin_ | xro2: how are we supposed to know what your business justification is? |
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| 14:24.29 | jelly-home | xro2: open to local LAN? open to internet? open to users on the local machine? |
| 14:24.39 | xro2 | justin_, not a paper for MY business but a generic paper... |
| 14:24.49 | xro2 | jelly-home, open to internet |
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| 14:25.05 | tobiasBora | So when I want to pass to lenny to squezze, I've just to replace in my sources.list file lenny by squezze and do "apt-get update | apt-get upgrade | apt-get dist-upgrade" ? |
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| 14:25.21 | jelly-home | xro2: everything should be closed by default, except the services explicitely provided to be accessible from the internet. |
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| 14:26.19 | xro2 | jelly-home, yes... but when i see a 3306 open, i have to say close your port... And i would like to tell "look a this paper" |
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| 14:27.05 | jelly-home | xro2: who are you going to tell that to? |
| 14:27.19 | jelly-home | your users? boss? management? |
| 14:27.28 | xro2 | jelly-home, clients... |
| 14:28.18 | gordonjcp | hohum, no-one knows about mp3 encoding, then |
| 14:28.34 | jelly-home | xro2: dunno. http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+best+security+practice |
| 14:28.36 | xro2 | jelly-home, it's always better to tell look at (ISO, or ITIL or OWASP or ...) than do it because i order you :) |
| 14:28.43 | gordonjcp | thanks for the help, I'll switch to a sane distro ;-) |
| 14:28.44 | justin_ | gordonjcp: /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 14:34.14 | tobiasBora | I've a question : i've installed sendmail, and the installation has delete an other programme e***4. |
| 14:34.33 | justin_ | tobiasBora: exim4 ? |
| 14:34.45 | tobiasBora | justin_: yes it is. |
| 14:34.45 | michelem | tobiasBora: the solution to that problem is always to uninstall sendmail and get on with your life |
| 14:34.53 | tobiasBora | thanks ! |
| 14:34.54 | babilen | tobiasBora: That is the expected behaviour if you replace the default MTA with another one |
| 14:35.28 | tobiasBora | In fact I've uninstall sendmail, and I would like to install exim4, but I didn't remember the name ^^ |
| 14:35.39 | Mmike | How do I check if package is installed or not? dpkg -s, then grep for 'not-installed' in Status: line? |
| 14:35.45 | babilen | tobiasBora: Ah, hehe :) |
| 14:35.52 | jeff_hann | Mmike, dpkg -l |
| 14:36.33 | z0mbyk1d | im having trouble with logrotate. I added a file under /etc/logrotate.d, I see that logrotate is run under /etc/cron.hourly. I created this file/log yesterday at 11am. I set the directive to rotate 30; daily. can I expect that it will actually rotate the file at 11am? I was sort of expecting it to happen when the day changed (midnight) but I seem to maybe remember reading that it depends when the file is created |
| 14:36.49 | Mmike | jeff_hann and then grep for ^ii, if it's there it's installed, if not, it's not? |
| 14:37.07 | Mmike | I need to put up a script that would run trough 500+ servers and chech for a specific package |
| 14:37.10 | jeff_hann | dpkg -l <pkgname> |
| 14:37.10 | dpkg | No packages found matching <pkgname> |
| 14:37.22 | jeff_hann | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.22 | dpkg | No packages found matching <pkgname> |
| 14:37.32 | jeff_hann | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.38 | simonlnu | uh, try in a terminal... |
| 14:37.38 | z0mbyk1d | i use aptitude search '~ipackagename' |
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| 14:37.49 | jeff_hann | and check the value of $? |
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| 14:39.07 | Mmike | jeff_hann, thnx |
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| 14:39.23 | jeff_hann | np :) |
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| 14:40.45 | tobiasBora | What's the difference between "squezze" and "stable" ? Stable is better no ? |
| 14:40.55 | Bartzy|work | when scripts in /etc/network/if-up.d are executed ? I tried /etc/init.d/networking restart, ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 ... nothing |
| 14:40.57 | z0mbyk1d | theyre the same |
| 14:41.06 | z0mbyk1d | squeeze is the release |
| 14:41.13 | simonlnu | right now they're the same |
| 14:41.21 | z0mbyk1d | stable can refer to any release though |
| 14:41.35 | Mmike | jeff_hann, no good. `dpkg -l somepackage` lists that package, but with pn flags |
| 14:41.38 | simonlnu | technically speaking yes |
| 14:41.52 | Mmike | Status: purge ok not-installed |
| 14:41.53 | Bushmills | tobiasBora: squeeze will stay squeeze even when it becomes oldstable |
| 14:41.54 | simonlnu | fsvo |
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| 14:42.00 | jeff_hann | pn flags? |
| 14:42.01 | z0mbyk1d | whoever is trying to find if a package is installed |
| 14:42.01 | Mmike | and $? is 0 either way |
| 14:42.03 | z0mbyk1d | i already told you how |
| 14:42.06 | z0mbyk1d | don't use dpkg |
| 14:42.08 | Bushmills | stable will, eventually, change to become wheezy |
| 14:42.17 | z0mbyk1d | aptitude search '~ipackagename' |
| 14:42.19 | z0mbyk1d | boom done |
| 14:42.41 | justin_ | what is the default for sources.list these days? 'stable' or 'squeeze' ? |
| 14:42.47 | Mmike | z0mbyk1d, i'm not using aptitude, ever, only apt... am I going to break something with that? |
| 14:42.51 | justin_ | putting 'stable in sources.list is pretty much always a bad idea |
| 14:42.52 | Bartzy|work | what would have happen if a toy story character was called stable ? :) |
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| 14:43.04 | simonlnu | justin_: we recommend putting 'squeeze' here |
| 14:43.10 | jeff_hann | z0mbyk1d, not quite |
| 14:43.23 | z0mbyk1d | Mmike: there is a risk |
| 14:43.28 | z0mbyk1d | a slight one, re: dependency checks |
| 14:43.38 | z0mbyk1d | but, i always atick with aptitude, as it is the best/most robust |
| 14:43.41 | Bushmills | Bartzy|work: it'd not be picked as a name for a debian release |
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| 14:43.59 | jeff_hann | z0mbyk1d, if I do aptitude search '~ivim' it lists vim* packages |
| 14:44.08 | jeff_hann | but there is no vim package per se |
| 14:44.20 | Mmike | yeps |
| 14:44.22 | Mmike | aptitude is no good |
| 14:44.30 | z0mbyk1d | well you can match based on the actual package name, the version, or a regex |
| 14:44.30 | jeff_hann | it is, just not now :P |
| 14:44.31 | z0mbyk1d | your choice |
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| 14:44.38 | z0mbyk1d | 09:44 Mmike> aptitude is no good |
| 14:44.41 | z0mbyk1d | lol what the fuck |
| 14:44.42 | Bushmills | ,versions vim |
| 14:44.44 | judd | Package vim on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2; squeeze: 2:7.2.445+hg~cb94c42c0e1a-1; sid: 2:7.3.154+hg~74503f6ee649-2; wheezy: 2:7.3.154+hg~74503f6ee649-2 |
| 14:44.47 | z0mbyk1d | must be new... |
| 14:44.47 | Mmike | nono, i ment, no good for what I want :) |
| 14:44.49 | simonlnu | uh, learn how to use it before you go off saying it's 'no good' |
| 14:44.52 | z0mbyk1d | oh |
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| 14:44.55 | Bartzy|work | wheezy is the penguin ? |
| 14:44.59 | dvs | !wheezy |
| 14:45.00 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>. |
| 14:45.11 | jeff_hann | or you can parse the dpkg output through a perl script |
| 14:45.12 | Bartzy|work | very nice |
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| 14:45.15 | tobiasBora | simonlnu: why squezze is recommend ? Stable doesn't change with the time no ? |
| 14:45.17 | Bartzy|work | !squeeze |
| 14:45.18 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.1>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 14:45.24 | latepre | is it right that i am getting this err 'this kernel requires an x86-64 CPU but only detected i686..' on an AMD Opteron 146? |
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| 14:45.35 | dvs | tobiasBora: Yes, stable does change. |
| 14:45.43 | simonlnu | tobiasBora: stable does change when there's a new release.... |
| 14:46.04 | jeff_hann | Bushmills, I meant there is no vim per se in the results aptitude returned |
| 14:46.38 | simonlnu | vim: Installed: 2:7.3.154+hg~74503f6ee649-2 |
| 14:46.45 | simonlnu | oh really? |
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| 14:47.00 | jeff_hann | with "aptitude search '~ivim' |
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| 14:47.03 | simonlnu | aptc policy vim ^^^ |
| 14:47.29 | jeff_hann | ^ |
| 14:47.32 | simonlnu | i vim - Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor |
| 14:47.42 | tobiasBora | simonlnu dvs : so it's better no ? If we have to change only one time, it's better to change the name at every release no ? Why using squezze ? |
| 14:47.43 | simonlnu | ~i is 'installed' |
| 14:47.43 | apt | You is 'installed'? |
| 14:48.08 | fenugreek | tobiasBora: well done |
| 14:48.12 | jeff_hann | simonlnu, yes, so it won't help him |
| 14:48.20 | z0mbyk1d | tobiasBora: i think what your'e misunderstanding is that it's just a codename |
| 14:48.20 | Bushmills | jeff_hann: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1303915679272647022d.png |
| 14:48.27 | dvs | tobiasBora: Because there might be changes that need to be done to make the upgrade successful. |
| 14:48.29 | z0mbyk1d | use whatever the hell you'd like to... |
| 14:48.30 | simonlnu | duh. use another flag or don't use one |
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| 14:48.56 | simonlnu | tobiasBora: better than what? |
| 14:49.00 | Zambezi | Should I go for 64 bit when the computer only got 2 GB? I won't add more memory. I'm going to install Squeeze instead of Lenny. |
| 14:49.11 | z0mbyk1d | Zambezi: i say NO |
| 14:49.14 | Mmike | Ok, so, since I do need the version of the package, I'm doing this: dpkg-query -W -f='${Version}\n' packagename |
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| 14:49.21 | Bushmills | !amd64 |
| 14:49.21 | dpkg | amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running i386 Debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are AMD64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>. |
| 14:49.34 | Bushmills | note the "good reasons" part |
| 14:49.48 | jeff_hann | Bushmills, http://dpaste.com/536351/ |
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| 14:49.51 | tobiasBora | dvs : ok, I've understood ! We use squezze because after if we use stable, we won't be "prepared" when a new release come, isn't it ? |
| 14:49.54 | z0mbyk1d | Mmike: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 14:49.56 | Mmike | and if this returns nothing, package is not installed. I also need to check the errorlevel because if the package was never installed id get 'no such package' |
| 14:49.57 | z0mbyk1d | learn it and love it |
| 14:50.15 | dvs | tobiasBora: Yes |
| 14:50.24 | Mmike | z0mbyk1d, I can't use aptitude, don't know anything about it and I'm not running a script on 500+ servers with aptitude :/ |
| 14:50.26 | simonlnu | tobiasBora: *ding* |
| 14:50.28 | tobiasBora | Please, how could I restart a Xsession ? |
| 14:50.34 | z0mbyk1d | Mmike: ok |
| 14:50.35 | simonlnu | exit it |
| 14:50.38 | fenugreek | tobiasBora: what for? |
| 14:50.40 | z0mbyk1d | yeah it's not installed by default so |
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| 14:51.06 | z0mbyk1d | tobiasBora: ctrl-alt-backspace? |
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| 14:51.15 | dvs | z0mbyk1d: deprecated |
| 14:51.22 | z0mbyk1d | it will restart if you're using [x,g]dm |
| 14:51.24 | z0mbyk1d | oh |
| 14:51.25 | z0mbyk1d | heh |
| 14:51.31 | z0mbyk1d | yeah I havent run x in a LOOONG time |
| 14:51.52 | z0mbyk1d | someone help me with logrotate? |
| 14:51.59 | z0mbyk1d | im having trouble with logrotate. I added a file under /etc/logrotate.d, I see that logrotate is run under /etc/cron.hourly. I created this file/log yesterday at 11am. I set the directive to rotate 30; daily. can I expect that it will actually rotate the file at 11am? I was sort of expecting it to happen when the day changed (midnight) but I seem to maybe remember reading that it depends when the file is created |
| 14:52.16 | z0mbyk1d | this is actually on ubuntu, i'm not certain if the structure is the same for debian |
| 14:52.19 | simonlnu | dvs: setxkbmap -print >> xkb_symbols { include "pc+us+inet(evdev)+altwin(meta_win)+ctrl(nocaps)+compose(menu)+terminate(ctrl_alt_bksp)" }; |
| 14:52.23 | Zambezi | z0mbyk1d, Bushmills: Thanks! I'll go for 32 bit. The computer mostly turned off. |
| 14:52.29 | abrotman | z0mbyk1d: please go to #ubuntu for support |
| 14:52.41 | z0mbyk1d | i'm there |
| 14:52.45 | Bushmills | jeff_hann: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1303915942456827475d.png <- on a machine with stable. before was testing |
| 14:53.44 | jeff_hann | Bushmills, it seems that if people install vim-nox as I do they don't get vim listed as installed |
| 14:53.47 | tobiasBora | I would like kill x for two reason : X use many CPU, and X is bugging now... |
| 14:53.48 | abrotman | z0mbyk1d: then please wait there adn be patient .. this channel is for Debian support for Debian users |
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| 14:54.19 | z0mbyk1d | first time dude chimes in is to tout 'rules' |
| 14:54.21 | z0mbyk1d | rolls eyes |
| 14:54.27 | z0mbyk1d | abrotman: ok, thanks! |
| 14:54.44 | simonlnu | z0mbyk1d: don't tick off one of the ops |
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| 14:54.49 | abrotman | z0mbyk1d: they're still the rules .. |
| 14:55.02 | Bushmills | jeff_hann: drop the ~i |
| 14:55.10 | tobiasBora | z0mbyk1d: C-M-Backspace work ! Thanks ^^ |
| 14:55.30 | simonlnu | probably because you're on lenny still |
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| 14:55.43 | tobiasBora | But now I would like stop and no restart X (Ctrl-Alt-Backspace restart X) |
| 14:55.58 | simonlnu | !nodm |
| 14:55.59 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
| 14:56.07 | jeff_hann | Bushmills, the OP's question was related to installed packages |
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| 14:56.33 | Bushmills | well, if you don't install package "vim" then it won't be listed as installed package |
| 14:56.38 | jeff_hann | maybe aptitude search vim | cut -f1 | grep 'i' | wc -l |
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| 14:57.02 | tobiasBora | simonlnu: So when I'll on squezze, how could I do to restart gdm ? And stop gdm ? |
| 14:57.12 | simonlnu | same way |
| 14:57.24 | Nu^253r | hi, i want to convert to debian, has anyone got any tips?! or should i stick to what i have at the moment?! |
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| 14:57.29 | simonlnu | invoke-rc.d gdm stop/start |
| 14:57.50 | simonlnu | debian isn't a religion ;p |
| 14:58.07 | jeff_hann | yet :P |
| 14:58.11 | kurohyou | simonlnu: it isn't? |
| 14:58.20 | Nu^253r | well not that kinda conversion simonlnu |
| 14:58.31 | simonlnu | *g* |
| 14:59.05 | fenugreek | Nu^253r: what do you have at the moment? |
| 14:59.26 | Nu^253r | slackware |
| 14:59.34 | Nu^253r | i had opensuse b4 |
| 14:59.43 | fenugreek | what don't you like about slackware and opensuse? |
| 14:59.44 | simonlnu | !debtakeover |
| 14:59.44 | dpkg | somebody said debtakeover was Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/ . You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 14:59.55 | z0mbyk1d | simonlnu: nodm is good to know. thanks :) |
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| 15:01.08 | z0mbyk1d | how do i see a file's creation time with ls? |
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| 15:01.19 | simonlnu | no such thing |
| 15:01.27 | Nu^253r | fenugreek, i just got tired of opensuse, it went to corprate, and well the upgrading is anoying in slackware |
| 15:01.30 | tobiasBora | simonlnu: it work. thanks ! |
| 15:01.38 | simonlnu | try looking with stat |
| 15:02.02 | fenugreek | opensuse was always corporate |
| 15:02.12 | fenugreek | Nu^253r: you'll probably like Debian, then |
| 15:02.18 | Nu^253r | well i was a suse user before open suse |
| 15:02.26 | z0mbyk1d | simonlnu: interesting. there's no creation time?! |
| 15:02.33 | z0mbyk1d | how does logrotate work then heh |
| 15:02.36 | simonlnu | nope, not in unix |
| 15:02.41 | fenugreek | suse was also always corporate |
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| 15:02.46 | z0mbyk1d | oh right it just used elapsed time |
| 15:03.20 | Nu^253r | i didnt no that i was younge when i got into suse |
| 15:03.25 | Nu^253r | like 15 |
| 15:03.26 | simonlnu | ctime != creation time |
| 15:03.55 | z0mbyk1d | change time |
| 15:04.17 | Nu^253r | which dvd image do i have to download?! |
| 15:04.20 | simonlnu | yes |
| 15:04.20 | Nu^253r | there like 8 |
| 15:04.26 | fenugreek | don't get the DVD images |
| 15:04.28 | Nu^253r | do i need to download them all? |
| 15:04.31 | simonlnu | #1, or the netinst |
| 15:04.34 | fenugreek | grab the netinstall or business card |
| 15:04.36 | z0mbyk1d | i just always use the netinstall images |
| 15:04.43 | z0mbyk1d | and slap them on my pxe server |
| 15:05.36 | thinksteve | Or to smash it on usb media |
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| 15:05.59 | Nu^253r | could u say that with the +n00b mode turned on please |
| 15:06.07 | simonlnu | !netinst |
| 15:06.08 | dpkg | methinks netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
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| 15:06.24 | blip- | Hi, what's the default username/pass on Debian Squeeze LiveCD ? |
| 15:06.38 | blip- | I clicked switch user and can't get back into the session |
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| 15:06.55 | simonlnu | look on the console? :) |
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| 15:07.27 | blip- | simonlnu, i'm locked out :) anyway I just found it on a forum |
| 15:08.56 | Joelio | Does anyone know if you can write plugins for apt (similar to the way you can in Yum). I want to create JSON output of pending updates, but rather than parse the output of a command, I'd prefer to do it more consitently. If not then parsing output it is :) |
| 15:09.45 | Nu^253r | thanx for the info simonlnu |
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| 15:10.37 | Deeps | Joelio: afaik details of pending updates is already exposed, although i'm not sure where. if you look at byobu, that's certainly pulling that info out from whereever it is |
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| 15:11.06 | simonlnu | apt-cache policy |
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| 15:13.06 | armani_ | select and install software fails when installing squeeze, configuring "pkgsel' failed with error code 1 |
| 15:13.10 | simonlnu | doesn't show pending updates - there's another way, ad it doesn't do json. the data *is* there though, there's gui packages that use it. |
| 15:13.28 | armani_ | could i continue without selecting and installing the software? or should i be worried? there was a kernel error and segfault |
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| 15:13.38 | Nikratio | I have trouble getting my intel 82562V-2 10/100 network adapter (lspci) to work in testing. dmesg says "e1000e 0000:00:19.0: eth0: Intel(R) PRO/10/100 Network Connection", but ifconfig doesn't know about the eth0 device. Any suggestions? |
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| 15:13.46 | simonlnu | armani_: hardware issue? |
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| 15:14.24 | armani_ | simonlnu: not sure, but i get this --> kernel: [ 3049.466099] aptitude[9003]: segfault at 7f5f73d36f30 ip 0000000000629567 sp 00007fff427ab8d0 error 4 in aptitude-curses[400000+381000] |
| 15:14.27 | simonlnu | Nikratio: try ifconfig -a |
| 15:14.43 | simonlnu | armani_: that's 'aptitude-curses' segfault |
| 15:14.57 | Nikratio | simonlnu: not listed |
| 15:15.14 | simonlnu | try it again, you probably hit some bug or some file is corrupted |
| 15:15.33 | simonlnu | Nikratio: configued? |
| 15:15.39 | simonlnu | *gured |
| 15:15.41 | armani_ | simonlnu: should i be worried? how can i fix the aptitude-curses segfault? |
| 15:15.54 | cockroach | hmn, i guess people are aware of this but just in case: http://www.alioth.debian.org/ is broken... :) |
| 15:15.57 | Nikratio | simonlnu: ifconfig doesn't see the interface, so I cannot configure it |
| 15:16.08 | simonlnu | !interfaces |
| 15:16.08 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 15:16.09 | cockroach | ("no space left on device") |
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| 15:16.18 | simonlnu | cockroach: weee |
| 15:16.37 | Nikratio | simonInu: all known, my debugging is already happening on the level below that |
| 15:16.55 | simonlnu | cockroach: tell the folks in #debian-www on OFTC |
| 15:17.06 | cockroach | simonlnu: ok, will do, thanks |
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| 15:17.48 | simonlnu | so, the kernel sees it, but ifconfig doesn't. |
| 15:18.05 | Nikratio | simonInu: yes, that's my diagnosis so far |
| 15:18.17 | simonlnu | wtf |
| 15:18.30 | simonlnu | and it's in interfaces... wtf |
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| 15:18.40 | OomElvis | guys... installed the latest debian stable and tried to switch from 1024x768 to my 24"'s native 1920x1080 and the screen went funny colours (presumably couldnt switch modes) - what could be the cause of that? didnt have video drivers installed and am using a laptop with a nvidia geforce card |
| 15:18.41 | Nikratio | simonInu: but is there another way to verify that the kernel knows about the interface? The dmesg msg does not seems 100% conclusive tome |
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| 15:19.04 | tobiasBora | When I press Ctrl-Alt-F7, I've a window "execute" which appear. |
| 15:19.10 | simonlnu | i have an e100, which is vaguely similar, and i know e1000 are well supported. maybe it's something lower level, like not seated in the slot properly |
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| 15:19.29 | tobiasBora | how could I delete this shortcut (if it is a shortcut...) |
| 15:19.36 | Nikratio | simonInu: nope, works just fine under ubuntu |
| 15:19.48 | Nikratio | dmesg output appears similiar |
| 15:19.54 | simonlnu | it's an l, not an i |
| 15:20.17 | cockroach | OomElvis: since i don't have an nvidia card i can't really help, but generally it's a good idea to make sure you are using KMS. at least that's my experience with intel and radeon chips... |
| 15:21.00 | crilly | I've got a basic, minimal Debian installation on a VPS that I want to secure. So far I have secured the SSH daemon with the obviouse changes; changing the port number, disallowing root login, forcing key-based authentication, etc; I want to secure ot further now. Any suggestions? It's only going to be used to host a few websites and perhaps a Nagios instalation. I will likely use Lighttpd and SQLite (or MySQL where I have too). |
| 15:21.39 | simonlnu | 'have to'; install the hardening packages |
| 15:21.44 | babilen | crilly: /me recommends icinga over nagios -- You might also be interested in reading the "Securing Debian Manual" |
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| 15:21.55 | simonlnu | that too |
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| 15:22.23 | babilen | crilly: also: s/MySQL/PostgreSQL ;) |
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| 15:22.33 | Joelio | Deeps: I've got a feeling it's just parsing something like aptitude search "~U" |
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| 15:22.45 | simonlnu | babilen: definitely |
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| 15:23.04 | Deeps | Joelio: it's not, there's something thats properly exposed to a file or pipe or something since debian squeeze i believe |
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| 15:23.27 | crilly | babilen: I shall look at Icinga. I want to afford big-arse DB engines at all if I can help it :) |
| 15:23.45 | Deeps | Joelio: (only reason i'm sure is because that feature was available in byobu for ubuntu before it was available for debian simply due to the different reelease cylces and i moaned at the devs only to be told it's because debian stable doesn't expose the information properly) |
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| 15:24.17 | Joelio | Deeps: Hmm, maybe not then.. will dig into the code and have a look |
| 15:24.20 | Deeps | Joelio: (or rather, debian stable at the time, ie, lenny) |
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| 15:25.57 | Joelio | Deeps: aptitude's in Lenny as default though, hence the above would still work? |
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| 15:26.24 | Deeps | Joelio: sure |
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| 15:27.19 | Deeps | Joelio: but thats what you said you explcitly didnt want to do ;-) |
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| 15:33.17 | armani_ | how can i solve aptitude curses? |
| 15:33.33 | abrotman | solve? |
| 15:34.24 | OomElvis | cockroach, : thanks, will do |
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| 15:34.50 | armani_ | lol can't be solved? my installation hangs during "select and install software" |
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| 15:40.12 | armani_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.34 | armani_ | oops, sorry nudged the keyboard by accident. |
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| 15:41.13 | catsup | armani_: you have to go to the command line to fix things like that... it takes some wizardry |
| 15:41.48 | Elirips | Hello all. Not really Debian-specific, but "linux"-specifig: I'm trying to compile a program. configure checks for 'openFST'. I have compiled and installed openFST in my $HOME, working fine. I suppose, I should set one of the environment variables for configure to show that the header-files are in $HOME/include/fst, as it only looks in standard-places. So I tried to do an export CPPFLAGS="-I$HOME/include" but configure still fails. Has so |
| 15:41.48 | Elirips | meone a hint for me? |
| 15:42.03 | catsup | armani_: there's a command line line one of the virtual consoles and relevant logs on some others |
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| 15:43.53 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 15:44.00 | armani_ | catsup, sounds like a fun challenge...where do i begin? |
| 15:44.04 | catsup | Elirips: you want to put something like this in your bashrc: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$HOME/usr/lib; LD_RUN_PATH=$HOME/usr/lib; PKG_CONFIG_PATH=$HOME/usr/lib/pkgconfig; LIBRARY_PATH=$HOME/usr/lib; CPATH=$HOME/usr/include; MANPATH=$HOME/usr/man${MANPATH:+:"$MANPATH"}; INFOPATH=$HOME/usr/info${INFOPATH:+:"$INFOPATH"}; and make sure you export all those variables |
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| 15:44.52 | catsup | armani_: in order to switch virtual consoles, you can press the left alt key and the left-arrow/right-arrow keys, or press left alt+f1, alt+f2, etc. to go to consoles 1, 2, etc. |
| 15:45.10 | catsup | armani_: you really need to know what you are doing in the command line though |
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| 15:45.36 | Azrael_- | i use icinga and want to use check_nrpe to check a remote nrpe-server. but in the icinga-packages this plugin isn't included but if i try to install nagios-nrpe-plugin apt-get also wants to install nagios3. do i miss sth or can't i omit nagios3? |
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| 15:45.48 | Elirips | catsup, thank you! I'll try to adapt this to my needs |
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| 15:49.25 | armani_ | catsup, well it's a new machine, so if i break it, there's no data that's lost...gotta start somewhere, taking it apart is a good way to learn... |
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| 15:51.03 | Azrael_- | solved it |
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| 15:51.21 | z0mbyk1d | installing a fresh squeeze 64 bit in vmware workstation |
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| 15:51.25 | z0mbyk1d | :) |
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| 15:52.35 | fenugreek | why vmware... |
| 15:53.10 | thewanderer1 | hi, I've got a degraded RAID1. Now, I want to change it into RAID5. any hints? I only have 1 disk now, got 2 more to put in. |
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| 15:58.17 | Rdogg | hey guys, what would be a reason my sound doesnt work? and why was alsaconf removed? |
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| 15:59.19 | cahoot | Rdogg: run speaker-test -t wav -c2 to test sound |
| 15:59.28 | armani_ | i get a kernel error when trying to install xfce.. |
| 15:59.30 | iter | thewanderer1: http://www.davelachapelle.ca/2008/07/25/converting-raid-1-to-raid-5/ |
| 15:59.46 | abrotman | armani_: use a pastebin |
| 15:59.55 | thewanderer1 | iter: tried it, or a random link? :) |
| 15:59.57 | fenugreek | what an unfortunate name that man has |
| 16:00.14 | iter | I would never try that with data I cared about |
| 16:00.29 | iter | another hdd is <$100 |
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| 16:01.13 | Rdogg | â¢cahoot⢠http://pastebin.com/jNNecpVJ |
| 16:01.25 | Raptors | Does anyone know if debian is planing to switch to gnome-shell? |
| 16:01.26 | iter | rsync it to another machine, create mdraid and rsync back if you can't afford new hdd |
| 16:01.43 | bronaugh | that's stupid. |
| 16:01.50 | bronaugh | modern kernels let you transition between pretty much any RAID level. |
| 16:01.59 | bronaugh | you know, -safely- |
| 16:02.06 | cahoot | Rdogg: root gets the same response? |
| 16:02.11 | Rdogg | cahoot, yes |
| 16:02.19 | abrotman | Rdogg: you're not supposed to use it anymore AIUI |
| 16:02.27 | iter | it's stupid to be conservative about overwriting md-raid metadata for something you care about? |
| 16:02.30 | thewanderer1 | iter: yeah, will probably back it up to a spare drive |
| 16:02.41 | sillykone | Hi, I'm trying to run OpenSong (www.opensong.org) on an amd 64 machine. I decided to use the source. However, I get the following error: ./opensong: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. I checked and libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 does exist. |
| 16:02.58 | thewanderer1 | also, what do I backup to have the metadata set aside? |
| 16:03.01 | abrotman | Rdogg: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS .. mentions why it was removed |
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| 16:03.03 | Rdogg | abrotman, alsaconf? |
| 16:03.03 | sillykone | Any idea what tod o? |
| 16:03.05 | sillykone | *to do? |
| 16:03.08 | bronaugh | iter: no, it's stupid to go overwriting metadata the nasty, wrong way when you can do it the right way. |
| 16:03.11 | Rdogg | oh, alright |
| 16:03.13 | cahoot | Rdogg: got an ~/.asoundrc ? move that away for a while |
| 16:03.20 | thewanderer1 | bronaugh: how? |
| 16:03.21 | iter | ah, that I can get behind |
| 16:03.26 | iter | what's the "right way" |
| 16:03.36 | Rdogg | cahoot, i dont |
| 16:03.39 | thewanderer1 | yeah, I also never seem to find it when searching |
| 16:04.10 | bronaugh | iter, thewanderer1: I think as of about 2.6.35ish, the md layer supports transitions between pretty much any raid level. so you can do it using mdadm. |
| 16:04.31 | cahoot | Rdogg: see if anything is occupying the device: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
| 16:04.34 | thewanderer1 | bronaugh: yeah, now I only need to get a kernel from sid and mdadm from sid I suppose :P |
| 16:04.46 | bronaugh | shrug. why not? |
| 16:05.52 | Jemt | Hi guys. I'm cloning a USB stick (4.1 GiB) using 'dd'. The stick contains a partition of 3.8 Gib. I'm cloning it to a USB stick which is only ~ 3.9 GiB in size, and defines a partition which takes up the whole space. Cloning using 'dd' will report an error, since the target runs out of space. But will the cloned USB stick work just as well as the source, since I made sure the partition on the source drive didn't exceed the space available on the ta |
| 16:05.53 | Jemt | drive ? |
| 16:06.00 | Rdogg | user rdogg mixer_applet2 root alsamixer |
| 16:06.04 | thewanderer1 | bronaugh: but then I can revert to old kernel and mdadm, right? |
| 16:06.05 | Rdogg | cahoot ^ |
| 16:06.20 | Raptors | Does anyone know if debian is planing to switch to gnome-shell? |
| 16:06.23 | bronaugh | thewanderer1: the metadata format hasn't changed so I don't see a reason why not. |
| 16:06.49 | thewanderer1 | bronaugh: got a link? every site I know suggests the hackish way |
| 16:06.50 | iter | thewanderer1: |
| 16:06.57 | iter | http://www.arkf.net/blog/?p=47 |
| 16:07.15 | iter | first comment has some info/caveats about metadata versions |
| 16:07.17 | bronaugh | thewanderer1: yeah, that's because they're all old. |
| 16:07.43 | cahoot | Rdogg: what happens if you reload alsa? alsa force-reload; /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 |
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| 16:08.12 | bronaugh | thewanderer1: as to how... install new mdadm, read man page. |
| 16:08.23 | Eightamrock | I just installed an openssl cert on my debian lenny install, and I am getting an error when trying to access my url via https |
| 16:08.25 | Rdogg | cahoot, resseting card0 done |
| 16:08.29 | thewanderer1 | oh, hey, it's in the current mdadm too |
| 16:08.43 | Eightamrock | SSL received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length. |
| 16:08.48 | Eightamrock | any ideas what that means |
| 16:08.55 | Rdogg | , but on alsa mixer the default card is my GFX card hdmi audio output thing, i changed it from gnome, if that means anything |
| 16:09.21 | armani_ | abrotman, where is the log i should be looking for? and how should i pastebin it? pastebin.com ok? |
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| 16:09.31 | cahoot | Rdogg: so you have 2 soundcards then? |
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| 16:09.52 | Rdogg | cahoot, technically yes, but the one from my gfx card, ive never used it and i dont use an HDMI cable |
| 16:10.09 | cahoot | Rdogg: for alsa it matters |
| 16:10.22 | cahoot | Rdogg: the hdmi is card0? |
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| 16:10.47 | Rdogg | i think so, since its the default one |
| 16:10.52 | abrotman | armani_: just what's on the screen is a good start |
| 16:11.10 | crilly | If I setup my SSH server to only allow key-based authentication, how can I allow access for new users (because they can't connect without a key in the first place). |
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| 16:12.15 | Rdogg | cahoot, should i run the same command for card1? |
| 16:12.22 | cahoot | Rdogg: what name does the real card have according to aplay -L? |
| 16:13.24 | Rdogg | cahoot, wait, the default for aplay is the other one |
| 16:13.27 | Rdogg | SI7012 |
| 16:13.36 | armani_ | abrotman, all i have is the syslog, because the system froze and i couldn't get anything out...will that do? |
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| 16:14.19 | cahoot | Rdogg: try speaker-test -DSI7012 |
| 16:15.16 | Rdogg | cahoot, same error as before |
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| 16:15.44 | z0mbyk1d | anyone have luck running /usr/bin/vmware-config-tools.pl ? It is reporting that make, gcc, and kernel headers are not installed although I just installed them |
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| 16:16.42 | cahoot | Rdogg: sorry - out of my depth |
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| 16:16.51 | Rdogg | alright, thanks anyways cahoot |
| 16:17.01 | crilly | z0mbyk1d: The ones you have installed, are they the right version? |
| 16:17.19 | z0mbyk1d | well i used the virtual package linux-libc-dev |
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| 16:17.31 | z0mbyk1d | as far as make and gcc i am not sure |
| 16:17.44 | crilly | I'm not sure if that answers my question or not to be honest (due to my lack of knowledge) |
| 16:17.49 | z0mbyk1d | theyre the current versions though, from the stable package tree |
| 16:18.21 | crilly | Are they the same versions as you have installed? i.e., are the Kernel source headers the same version as the kernel you have installed and running |
| 16:18.46 | jhutchins_lt | crilly: You have to add the users manually anyway, you can generate the key pair and send them the private key. |
| 16:18.55 | z0mbyk1d | crilly: adding the amd64 headers now |
| 16:18.56 | jelly-home | crilly: let them create their own key pair and provide to you the public key out of band? |
| 16:18.58 | z0mbyk1d | which is what im running |
| 16:19.32 | crilly | jhutchins_lt, jelly-home: Ah right, yes I guess that would work. |
| 16:19.41 | z0mbyk1d | got it |
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| 16:19.46 | z0mbyk1d | it was the amd64 package |
| 16:19.50 | crilly | z0mbyk1d: :) |
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| 16:19.59 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: oh, giving them a private key (in a _secure_) manner would work too |
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| 16:20.24 | jelly-home | parenthetical fail |
| 16:20.38 | crilly | I think them creating the key and giving me the public key is the better idea. |
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| 16:22.43 | andornaut | can anyone recommend a VLC client/viewer? I like ssh+ssl support of ssvnc, but I miss scale-to-window that i've seen in other clients |
| 16:23.02 | crilly | VLC? Do you mean VNC? |
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| 16:24.30 | simonlnu | probably ;) |
| 16:24.30 | crilly | Heh. |
| 16:24.30 | z0mbyk1d | what's the process for enabling a person for sudo access in debian? |
| 16:24.31 | z0mbyk1d | there isn't a sudo group like there is in ubuntu as far as I know |
| 16:24.31 | petemc | visudo |
| 16:24.31 | simonlnu | !visudo |
| 16:24.31 | dpkg | it has been said that visudo is how you add users to your /etc/sudoers file. 'man visudo' for details, and also ask me about <sudoers>, or respects $EDITOR while doing sanity checking (prevents *some* critical commits of broken sudoers). |
| 16:24.31 | z0mbyk1d | ok so it's manual |
| 16:24.31 | z0mbyk1d | i'll just create the group |
| 16:24.35 | andornaut | crilly: yep, sorry vnc =) |
| 16:24.43 | z0mbyk1d | actually no, i'm the only one who will be using this heh |
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| 16:26.26 | Raptors | Does anyone know if debian is planing to switch to gnome-shell? |
| 16:26.32 | Raptors | feels ignored |
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| 16:26.47 | simonlnu | it's been in experimental for a while |
| 16:26.48 | z0mbyk1d | oh, the group is setup |
| 16:26.49 | z0mbyk1d | nice |
| 16:26.57 | simonlnu | for very good reasons |
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| 16:27.27 | fenugreek | Raptors: switch? |
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| 16:27.38 | fenugreek | GNOME is GNOME |
| 16:27.48 | z0mbyk1d | petemc: after adding my user to the sudo group and logging into a new shell It still says i'm not in the sudoers file... any thoughts? |
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| 16:28.20 | Sebboh | I am looking for a tool. I want: joe.ini (or .properties, or .yaml, I don't care) and template.xml. The properties file contains stuff like foo=bar, and I want the template to contains stuff like <hostname>@foo@</hostname>.. Then I run sometool -t template.xml -p joe.ini .. and get <hostname>bar</hostname> on standard out. Does such a tool exist? |
| 16:28.21 | simonlnu | z0mbyk1d: log out/log in |
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| 16:28.31 | simonlnu | z0mbyk1d: completely |
| 16:28.33 | z0mbyk1d | yeah a new login shell doesnt work i'm finding |
| 16:28.34 | SparFux | There is a way to fix the installed packages database, some call with > and apt-get or aptitude. I think dpkg told me once. Anybody know how it is done? |
| 16:28.36 | z0mbyk1d | when i run id |
| 16:28.39 | z0mbyk1d | i dont see the group |
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| 16:28.41 | z0mbyk1d | simonlnu: thanks |
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| 16:29.43 | z0mbyk1d | wonderful |
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| 16:29.52 | z0mbyk1d | god i love how pristine debian is |
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| 16:30.22 | z0mbyk1d | I would put it on my lenovo x120e if I wasn't sure the power management would be a disaster |
| 16:30.35 | crilly | z0mbyk1d: The packages are really strict and have to meet a minimum standard :) |
| 16:30.48 | simonlnu | !debian policy |
| 16:30.48 | dpkg | policy is probably the document that defines how Debian packages should (and must!) interact with each other and with the user to make sure we have a high-quality, stable distribution. You can find it at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ or in the debian-policy package. Those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. See also <best practices> <nmg> <mentors>. |
| 16:31.19 | z0mbyk1d | ive glanced over it before |
| 16:31.27 | z0mbyk1d | it's well-defined, i'll leave it at that |
| 16:31.31 | catsup | armani_: yeah, well, tbh, i think a working system is a much better way to learn -- but like you said, it can't hurt |
| 16:31.52 | themill | SparFux: looking in /var/backups or your backups is plan A. |
| 16:31.59 | Eightamrock | !ssl |
| 16:31.59 | dpkg | [ssl] SSL is a protocol specified by Netscape that allows for "secure" passage of data. It uses public key encryption, including digital certificates and digital signatures, to pass data between a browser and a server, or more generally, all sorts of network clients and the respective servers. It is an open standard and most modern browsers support it. |
| 16:32.14 | catsup | armani_: i'll give you a hint: chroot /target |
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| 16:32.57 | SparFux | themill: I am not really sure what happened. But cups tries to restart on upgrade and hangs endlessly. |
| 16:34.06 | SparFux | It happens when I try to remove cups-pdf, too. |
| 16:34.48 | themill | perhaps fixing cups is the right place to start then |
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| 16:35.45 | z0mbyk1d | what is it in a base debian install that lets me browse 'network' ? |
| 16:35.49 | z0mbyk1d | is it all avahi now? |
| 16:35.58 | z0mbyk1d | (samba obviously isn't installed) |
| 16:36.08 | armani_ | catsup, well, i'm doing another clean install with linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64...but if i try to install grub after "select and install programs", grub can't be installed, and neither can the "select and install programs" |
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| 16:39.15 | z0mbyk1d | does anyone know how it is that I can browse ms network on a new squeeze install? I'm just curious more than anything |
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| 16:39.43 | abrotman | z0mbyk1d: gui or cli? |
| 16:39.44 | crilly | z0mbyk1d: What services started up? Anything like SMB or Samba? |
| 16:39.47 | z0mbyk1d | nsswitch.conf has files mdns4_minimal dns mdns4 |
| 16:39.51 | z0mbyk1d | abrotman: gui |
| 16:39.55 | z0mbyk1d | crilly: no samba |
| 16:39.58 | abrotman | z0mbyk1d: it will involve samba |
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| 16:40.06 | z0mbyk1d | right, but it's not installed |
| 16:40.10 | z0mbyk1d | it must be avahi |
| 16:40.14 | z0mbyk1d | *shrugs* |
| 16:40.47 | jhutchins_lt | No. |
| 16:40.55 | catsup | armani_: better check the logs and see what's failing |
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| 16:41.05 | z0mbyk1d | nfs-common, portmap |
| 16:41.24 | z0mbyk1d | avahi-daemon |
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| 16:41.33 | z0mbyk1d | those are the only services i see in services-admin |
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| 16:42.23 | z0mbyk1d | is the exim4 service that's installed just for local mail delivery? |
| 16:42.29 | jhutchins_lt | z0mbyk1d: What makes you think it would have anything to do with a daemon? |
| 16:42.33 | z0mbyk1d | i certainly didnt choose mail server |
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| 16:42.49 | z0mbyk1d | jhutchins_lt: because of what mdns is and does.... |
| 16:42.57 | simonlnu | z0mbyk1d: several packages dep on it (mta) |
| 16:43.05 | z0mbyk1d | it could purely be a function of nautilus though |
| 16:43.23 | z0mbyk1d | simonlnu: just unsure why it's there... i.e. why do i need it exactly |
| 16:43.49 | simonlnu | mailing cron job results for instance. sending email to a smarthost, etc. |
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| 16:44.13 | z0mbyk1d | ahh |
| 16:44.16 | z0mbyk1d | ok |
| 16:44.33 | Raptors | <fenugreek> Raptors: switch? |
| 16:44.33 | z0mbyk1d | good to know |
| 16:44.33 | Raptors | ---» SparFux (~raoul@rl2-1-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net) has Joined #debian |
| 16:44.33 | Raptors | <fenugreek> GNOME is GNOME |
| 16:44.36 | z0mbyk1d | i prefer postfix |
| 16:44.38 | Raptors | Gnome 3 is nothing like gnome 2 |
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| 16:45.39 | abrotman | Raptors: at some point they will .. but IIRC, gnome3 has a 'retro' mode for those that don't like the new interface |
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| 16:46.36 | Raptors | abrotman, that is nothing like gnome 2 |
| 16:46.47 | Raptors | allt eh customizable is gone. |
| 16:46.54 | Raptors | no panel widgets or anyting |
| 16:47.25 | z0mbyk1d | yeah it's weird |
| 16:47.31 | z0mbyk1d | i havent run it yet but i'm not sure I want to heheh |
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| 16:48.59 | abrotman | Raptors: i was just commenting .. |
| 16:49.05 | jhutchins_lt | Gnome knows what is good for you. Do not attempt to adjust your settings. |
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| 16:50.37 | armani_ | catsup, i get kernel: [1409.448012] RIP [<fffffffa02729b9>] mpage_da_map_blocks+0x3ed/0x551 [ext4] don't know if that helps.. |
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| 16:57.35 | z0mbyk1d | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.46 | z0mbyk1d | looks like this is responsible, actually, for the network browsing |
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| 17:01.32 | themill | z0mbyk1d: you might like to look at the dependencies of the package that provides that functionality before claiming that samba is not involved. |
| 17:02.01 | z0mbyk1d | themill: all i'm telling you broseph, is that smbd and nmbd are not running.... moreso, samba is not even installed |
| 17:02.11 | Sazpaimon | so I may be completely doing this wrong, but I'm trying to compile a cross compiler gcc targeted to a specific glibc version. I extract the libc6 package with the version I want to a directory, and compile gcc with that as the sysroot |
| 17:02.50 | bronaugh | Sazpaimon: uh; I don't think there's any dependency there. |
| 17:02.54 | bronaugh | ie: gcc not tied to glibc. |
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| 17:03.15 | Sazpaimon | bronaugh, it still needs to be able to run on the target system |
| 17:03.25 | Sazpaimon | ldd -v arm-none-linux-gnueabi-g++ for example, list entries like libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.11) in its version information, but my sysroot has glibc 2.5.1 |
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| 17:05.17 | Sazpaimon | so naturally gcc, g++, or what have you, will not execute on the targtet system |
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| 17:05.37 | Sazpaimon | I'm compiling gcc like so: http://pastebin.com/kMSrLBN6 |
| 17:06.10 | bronaugh | thought Cortex A8 had FPU? |
| 17:06.29 | Sazpaimon | hmm, it might, I wasn't sure |
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| 17:07.14 | Sazpaimon | either way, it doesnt really help me get gcc to actually execute |
| 17:07.15 | bronaugh | hm. optional FPU. |
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| 17:07.46 | themill | z0mbyk1d: you still might like to take my suggestion of looking at the package dependencies. You'll find them enlightening. |
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| 17:07.59 | z0mbyk1d | ok |
| 17:08.23 | Sazpaimon | my $SYSROOT contains binutils-2.20.1 cross compiled for ARM, and the libc6 and libc6-dev ARM packages extracted to that directory |
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| 17:08.40 | Sazpaimon | hmm, do I need the i386 libc6 packages instead? |
| 17:08.45 | Sazpaimon | maybe that |
| 17:08.51 | Sazpaimon | maybe that's what I'm doing wrong |
| 17:08.52 | bronaugh | yeah. I'd suspect you'd need those too. |
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| 17:09.24 | Sazpaimon | but why is ld using my host libc6 anyway? |
| 17:09.32 | Sazpaimon | when i clearly used sysroot |
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| 17:10.12 | bronaugh | NFI |
| 17:10.16 | bronaugh | not a gcc guru :/ |
| 17:10.25 | bronaugh | last time I created a cross-compiler was 8 years ago. |
| 17:10.37 | Sazpaimon | okay, let me build glibc manually instead |
| 17:10.52 | foetus | must free some resources..till later |
| 17:11.01 | Sazpaimon | i can only hope that the libc6 package for the device I'm targeting for doesn't have some crazy patches |
| 17:11.10 | zgedneil | Sazpaimon: what are you trying to do again? just build a cross-compiler? |
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| 17:11.35 | Sazpaimon | zgedneil, yeah, so I can replace the outdated gcc 4.2 in my scratchbox toolchain |
| 17:11.39 | bronaugh | zgedneil: afaik, yeah. that seems to be all he's doing. |
| 17:12.04 | Sazpaimon | but it needs to specifically work in a libc6 2.5.1 chroot |
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| 17:12.30 | bronaugh | Sazpaimon: wait a minute, though. |
| 17:12.43 | bronaugh | wait. no. there's two separate tasks here. |
| 17:12.49 | bronaugh | first task is: create ARM cross-compiler. |
| 17:12.55 | bronaugh | I think Debian actually packages an ARM cross-compiler. |
| 17:13.05 | bronaugh | second task is: use said cross-compiler to build compiler for ARM |
| 17:13.06 | bronaugh | am I rightL? |
| 17:13.11 | zgedneil | no wonder I was confused :-) |
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| 17:13.33 | Sazpaimon | bronaugh, i think just an ARM cross compiler would be enough |
| 17:13.45 | Sazpaimon | i dont see why i need a native ARM version of gcc |
| 17:13.53 | bronaugh | ok. |
| 17:14.01 | bronaugh | then it's a single, easy, task that has nothing to do with libc |
| 17:14.02 | ascendantadept | Hi :). I'm a noob trying to go from a minimal debian lenny install to a functional mailserver with dovecot and squirrelmail. I've installed and configured exim4, and I can send outgoing mail, but I'm confused about what else I need here. I want to use Maildir so I've installed it and set dovecot and squirrelmail accordingly, but mail still doesn't get to my inbox. Do I need procmail for this to work? |
| 17:14.07 | zgedneil | Sazpaimon: the way you're describing it sounds a bit like that's what you're doing, you see |
| 17:14.10 | bronaugh | so -ignore- that. |
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| 17:14.28 | zgedneil | possibly because you're doing something a bit unusual :-) |
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| 17:14.40 | Sazpaimon | bronaugh, the thing is, gcc still needs to execute on a specific libc version |
| 17:14.45 | bronaugh | Sazpaimon: no it doesn't. |
| 17:14.49 | bronaugh | it needs to link against a specific libc version. |
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| 17:14.53 | bronaugh | to create binaries for your platform. |
| 17:14.54 | bronaugh | not the same thing. |
| 17:15.32 | Sazpaimon | bronaugh, so explain this: http://pastebin.com/gGXpTPaZ |
| 17:15.59 | bronaugh | that's what gcc itself is linked against. who cares. |
| 17:16.06 | zgedneil | I can't help thinking this is a case of being asked to fix some low-level detail when the entire approach is wrong |
| 17:16.33 | Sazpaimon | bronaugh, well it doesnt help that it's linked against a glibc version my chroot does not have: http://pastebin.com/9yNW5DzB |
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| 17:16.42 | abrotman | ascendantadept: postfix is easy to make work with Maildir .. not sure about exim |
| 17:16.43 | zgedneil | Sazpaimon: is there anything special about your host machine/setup at all? |
| 17:16.45 | bronaugh | Sazpaimon: why the F do you have a chroot? |
| 17:16.53 | bronaugh | you've created yourself a vastly complicated setup for nothing. |
| 17:17.01 | unreal-dude | so, im using the "Debian 6 x64 PV" on my vps from vr.org and i can't seem to figure out why tab completion and the prompt and bash_history are not working for new users, it works for root only..... any suggestions? |
| 17:17.02 | Sazpaimon | bronaugh, it's how maemo's SDK works |
| 17:17.28 | Sazpaimon | the maemo SD exists in a chroot for scratchbo |
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| 17:17.31 | Sazpaimon | *scratchbox |
| 17:17.44 | bronaugh | ... ok. |
| 17:17.50 | zgedneil | unreal-dude: no /etc/skel maybe? |
| 17:17.54 | bronaugh | is there an i686 compiler in the Maemo SDK? |
| 17:18.07 | abrotman | ask #maemo ? |
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| 17:18.34 | Sazpaimon | abrotman, I have, multiple times, nobody seems to know/care |
| 17:18.38 | unreal-dude | i checked /etc/skel, its got a .bashrc, .profile, I even backed them up and copied the root .bashrc and .profile |
| 17:18.46 | Sazpaimon | not to mention I'm building gcc in the host debian system and not maemo |
| 17:19.00 | Sazpaimon | brahman, no, scratchbox supplies gcc |
| 17:19.00 | zgedneil | unreal-dude: ok, is /etc/profile world-readable? |
| 17:19.19 | Sazpaimon | but for the libc version in the maemo SDK, all they have is gcc 4.2 |
| 17:19.34 | abrotman | so how is this a #debian problem ? |
| 17:20.00 | unreal-dude | hrm, no /etc/profile |
| 17:20.14 | zgedneil | unreal-dude: that seems like a good place to start :-D |
| 17:20.21 | unreal-dude | o wait its there |
| 17:20.31 | unreal-dude | just mucked up permissions |
| 17:20.33 | Sazpaimon | abrotman, I'm building a gcc cross compiler from scratch on debian, so I figure #debian works |
| 17:20.48 | zgedneil | unreal-dude: also check /etc/bash* while you're there |
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| 17:21.16 | bronaugh | Sazpaimon: why can't you just build gcc within the maemo chroot? |
| 17:21.32 | zgedneil | Sazpaimon: that's not stellar logic to be fair |
| 17:22.01 | Sazpaimon | bronaugh, i can try that. I wasn't positive if it would work though |
| 17:22.17 | bronaugh | Sazpaimon: it'll work. |
| 17:22.23 | zgedneil | Sazpaimon: if you want a more general channel which could conceivably help you might want to try ##linux |
| 17:22.23 | bronaugh | gcc will bootstrap on pretty much anything. |
| 17:22.32 | Sazpaimon | i guess i can safely omit the sysroot in that case, can't I? |
| 17:22.38 | bronaugh | yup. |
| 17:22.47 | bronaugh | it's just a boring-ass cross-compiler build then. |
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| 17:23.26 | gerardo_ | hola todos |
| 17:23.43 | Sazpaimon | i think the problem i was having was that I was using the ARM libc6 package and not the i386 package |
| 17:23.50 | gerardo_ | estoy intentando instalar una testing |
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| 17:24.04 | Sazpaimon | it just dawned on me that an ARM cross compiler is still an x86 binary, and needs to link to an x86 libc |
| 17:24.08 | gerardo_ | pero da errores el instalador |
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| 17:24.13 | jelly-home | !se |
| 17:24.13 | dpkg | Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i #debian.se på FreeNode (irc.freenode.net), SE is also the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code for Sweden, it was included in the standard 1974. |
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| 17:24.19 | jelly-home | er. |
| 17:24.19 | Sazpaimon | !es |
| 17:24.20 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 17:24.29 | jelly-home | !sydlexia |
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| 17:27.20 | Sazpaimon | bronaugh, oh look at that, i just double checked the scratchbox wiki |
| 17:27.24 | Sazpaimon | If you have glibc version 2.4 or above, you have to compile the toolchain in e.g. Scratchbox itself. Create a target with a compiler such as i686-linux-gcc3.3-glibc2.3 which is included in Scratchbox, then follow the crosstool instructions. |
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| 17:27.39 | Sazpaimon | well there we go! |
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| 17:30.46 | McManiaC | the debian exim config is weird - where do I change the port exim is listening on? |
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| 17:31.24 | petemc | McManiaC: you dont have to use the debian config, if you put exim4.conf in /etc/exim4/ it will use that |
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| 17:34.10 | McManiaC | petemc: maybe I do not understand the concept of the debian configuration - how is that supposed to work? the settings in the update-exim4.conf file are *very* limited, aren't they? |
| 17:34.36 | petemc | McManiaC: you can edit the files in conf.d , the daemon_smtp_ports option should be in main |
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| 17:37.48 | karlpinc | !tell McManiaC about readme.debian |
| 17:38.01 | karlpinc | McManiaC: I don't know if there's anything in there that helps, but that'd be where to look. |
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| 17:42.51 | h0ho | how do i remove kerberos? |
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| 17:43.31 | jelly-home | h0ho: hm, how did you install it? |
| 17:43.37 | jhutchins_lt | h0ho: From what? How did it get there in the first place? |
| 17:43.49 | h0ho | I think it was due to doing "aptitude update" |
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| 17:44.12 | h0ho | dont see how tho, it's a new box so might of been pre-installed |
| 17:44.26 | jhutchins_lt | h0ho: atitude update just updates the catalog of available packages. |
| 17:44.39 | jhutchins_lt | h0ho: Pre-installed Debian? From whom? |
| 17:44.46 | dynamite | Hey - Im trying to trace where excatly http traffic is hitting my server. i have traffic from a host to one of my ip adresses, but my log files are too scattered. i can see the traffic in iftop - how can i determine where it hits my server and what pages are accessed? |
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| 17:45.38 | babilen | dynamite: "apt-cache search apache log analyzer" ;) |
| 17:45.54 | dynamite | so thats a decent tool? |
| 17:46.01 | jhutchins_lt | analyse /var/log/apache2/access log with webalizer or something. |
| 17:46.11 | dynamite | visitors or lire? |
| 17:46.17 | jhutchins_lt | awffull is good. |
| 17:46.43 | babilen | dynamite: It lists a couple of tools. I can't recommend one over the other. #httpd or other people in here might have first hand experience. Just wanted you to take a look at the packages that are available. |
| 17:47.21 | dynamite | okay |
| 17:47.38 | dynamite | i just need something i can throw all my logfiles at to have a closer look |
| 17:47.45 | dynamite | without having to egrep through tons of folders :D |
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| 17:52.02 | McManiaC | can you show the differences between a modified config file and the stock config file from the debian-package? |
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| 17:55.08 | h0ho | jhutchins_lt: sorry just saw your reply. Its a vps i bought |
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| 17:55.45 | KaffeeJunky123 | smplayer on opensuse sucks, all hail to debian |
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| 17:56.40 | Bushmills | dynamite: darkstat may be helpful |
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| 17:57.15 | project2501b | last night a sysadmin used his LART |
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| 17:57.47 | z0mbyk1d | can any cron/logrotate gurus help me out? despite having everything setup, i have a log that is defined for daily rotation but it's not doing it... |
| 17:58.21 | dynamite | Bushmills: thanks, but that doesnt show the destination of the traffic |
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| 17:58.44 | Bushmills | it does. click on "hosts" |
| 17:58.51 | z0mbyk1d | does logrotate keep track of the first time it looks at a file to be rotated or something and then set it for 24 hours AFTER that time? |
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| 17:58.58 | z0mbyk1d | this is the only explanation as to why it hasnt worked yet |
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| 17:59.05 | project2501b | z0mbyk1d: ? |
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| 17:59.09 | z0mbyk1d | so I should be able to tell in about an hour here... |
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| 17:59.22 | z0mbyk1d | project2501b: what else can I tell you? |
| 17:59.36 | project2501b | z0mbyk1d: did you try to run logrotate manually, with -v (i think -v is for verbose) |
| 17:59.53 | project2501b | or -d or whatever the debug/verbose switch is |
| 18:00.07 | z0mbyk1d | no that's a good idea |
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| 18:00.22 | z0mbyk1d | -d implies -v |
| 18:00.25 | z0mbyk1d | ok |
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| 18:01.27 | project2501b | always do that before installing anything in /etc//logotate.d |
| 18:01.33 | boldgold | any voip recording softwares? |
| 18:01.40 | gnugr | dondelelcaro: |
| 18:01.48 | project2501b | that way you can tell if what you are writing works or not. |
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| 18:02.12 | z0mbyk1d | considering log /var/log/sonicwall/sonicwall.log log needs rotating |
| 18:02.12 | z0mbyk1d | rotating log /var/log/sonicwall/sonicwall.log, log->rotateCount is 30 |
| 18:02.15 | z0mbyk1d | beautiful |
| 18:02.17 | z0mbyk1d | thanks! |
| 18:02.31 | z0mbyk1d | i don't understand why it doesn't just work... hmm |
| 18:02.35 | z0mbyk1d | (or, didnt) |
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| 18:04.28 | z0mbyk1d | project2501b: wow, despite it saying it 'did' all that, the directory still just has the orioginal file |
| 18:04.31 | z0mbyk1d | what in the hell |
| 18:04.54 | project2501b | z0mbyk1d: there is an "emulation" switch, as well |
| 18:04.56 | project2501b | disable that |
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| 18:05.15 | project2501b | the directory might have the original file, but look at the rize. |
| 18:05.17 | z0mbyk1d | not seeing that |
| 18:05.20 | z0mbyk1d | i did -df |
| 18:05.21 | project2501b | size, even. |
| 18:05.25 | z0mbyk1d | size is still growing |
| 18:05.30 | project2501b | ls -df ? |
| 18:05.50 | z0mbyk1d | logrotate -df |
| 18:05.58 | z0mbyk1d | oh, i ran that as root, not syslog |
| 18:06.01 | z0mbyk1d | crap |
| 18:06.24 | project2501b | doesn't matter, but yeah |
| 18:06.37 | z0mbyk1d | -rw-r----- 1 syslog adm 377M 2011-04-27 13:06 sonicwall.log |
| 18:06.39 | project2501b | also, ls -l /var/log/sonicwall/sonicwall.log |
| 18:06.40 | z0mbyk1d | this is so bizarre |
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| 18:06.57 | project2501b | and paste the contents to your logrotate file on pastebin |
| 18:07.05 | z0mbyk1d | those perms match everything else |
| 18:07.07 | Captain_Haddock | Dependencies for screen: byobu{a} cpu-checker{a} gettext-base{a} iso-codes{a} libfribidi0{a} libnewt0.52{a} lsb-release{a} python-apt{a} python-central{a} python-newt{a} screen update-notifier-common{a} <--- does this list look right? |
| 18:07.54 | z0mbyk1d | http://pastebin.com/6Fa4vH2E |
| 18:07.56 | karlpinc | z0mbyk1d: You have a sonicwall? I'd be interested if the techinque described here http://www.mail-archive.com/gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org/msg14232.html works and reveals they're volating the GPL. Once you get the firmware you should be able to run "strings" on it and see if it's Linux. |
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| 18:09.17 | z0mbyk1d | i'm sure it's running linux |
| 18:09.22 | z0mbyk1d | (NSA 4500) |
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| 18:09.27 | jhutchins_lt | z0mbyk1d: It's possible that the file is locked, and disk usage won't be updated until the cache is flushed. |
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| 18:09.31 | witchdoc | hi all |
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| 18:09.40 | witchdoc | my server runs of of inodes |
| 18:09.47 | witchdoc | what can i do to fix that? |
| 18:10.00 | Captain_Haddock | out of inodes?* |
| 18:10.08 | karlpinc | z0mbyk1d: Me too. But you have to be able to prove it in court if somebody like gplviolations.org takes up the case. |
| 18:10.32 | witchdoc | Captain_Haddock: df -h shows me free but unusable space |
| 18:10.45 | witchdoc | Captain_Haddock: if i shutdown my SIP Server, it works |
| 18:11.13 | karlpinc | witchdoc: What about df -i? |
| 18:11.30 | witchdoc | /dev/md0 60555264 2031892 58523372 4% / |
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| 18:11.45 | witchdoc | seems good now |
| 18:11.53 | witchdoc | magic - debian is selfhealthy |
| 18:11.59 | karlpinc | witchdoc: Depends on the fs you're using. You can add more with some of them and with some you need to re-create the whole filesystem. |
| 18:12.00 | z0mbyk1d | jhutchins_lt: hmm, how can I tell |
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| 18:12.13 | z0mbyk1d | jhutchins_lt: the file is being written to by syslog, just like all the rest |
| 18:12.20 | witchdoc | karlpinc: hmm okay i use ext3 |
| 18:12.20 | z0mbyk1d | so I can't imagine there shoudl be any difference here... |
| 18:13.01 | witchdoc | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 18:13.01 | witchdoc | /dev/md0 455G 432G 0 100% / |
| 18:13.04 | witchdoc | misc |
| 18:13.49 | Captain_Haddock | witchdoc: I've read about cheap VPS hosts limiting inodes. They apparently add more upon request. Doesn't look to be the case here though. |
| 18:14.01 | Captain_Haddock | 60M looks like .. plenty |
| 18:14.31 | justin_ | witchdoc: you have not changed the default reserved blocks amount |
| 18:14.55 | z0mbyk1d | http://pastebin.com/NWbs6NPN |
| 18:15.01 | justin_ | witchdoc: you probably want to do a tune2fs -m 1 /dev/md0 or such |
| 18:15.06 | z0mbyk1d | project2501b: jhutchins_lt http://pastebin.com/NWbs6NPN |
| 18:15.07 | karlpinc | witchdoc: I think you must start over. It's possible I'm wrong. "man tune2fs". OTOH, you're out of blocks too. LVM is handy in these situations. If you start over you may want to consider using it. |
| 18:15.13 | z0mbyk1d | ^^ this is the result of logrotate manual run |
| 18:15.50 | project2501b | dude |
| 18:15.54 | project2501b | write a logrotate file |
| 18:15.59 | project2501b | wtf is this? |
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| 18:17.03 | dp | what does apt actually use to download packages from the server, or is it something specific to apt? |
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| 18:17.52 | z0mbyk1d | project2501b: ?? |
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| 18:19.03 | project2501b | z0mbyk1d: did you put a /etc/logrotate.d/sonicwall rotation file ? |
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| 18:19.40 | z0mbyk1d | yes |
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| 18:19.45 | z0mbyk1d | which is what i pasted... |
| 18:19.46 | z0mbyk1d | :| |
| 18:20.00 | project2501b | that is DEFINATELY not a logrotate stanza |
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| 18:20.16 | z0mbyk1d | 13:07 z0mbyk1d> http://pastebin.com/6Fa4vH2E |
| 18:20.27 | z0mbyk1d | note the time |
| 18:20.30 | z0mbyk1d | oh, it expired |
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| 18:21.18 | z0mbyk1d | http://pastebin.com/W90ajLC3 |
| 18:21.23 | z0mbyk1d | project2501b: ^^ |
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| 18:21.33 | z0mbyk1d | the stanza is fine, according to logrotate... |
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| 18:22.50 | Bushmills | dp, it uses functions from standard c libs |
| 18:23.01 | project2501b | z0mbyk1d: why are you reloading rsyslog? |
| 18:23.09 | project2501b | is sonicwall writing to syslog? |
| 18:23.17 | z0mbyk1d | no, the opposite |
| 18:23.27 | z0mbyk1d | i took that from all of the other system log rotation definitions |
| 18:23.38 | z0mbyk1d | the ones who have rotation defined always HUP syslog |
| 18:23.53 | project2501b | is this squeeze? |
| 18:23.57 | z0mbyk1d | yes |
| 18:24.10 | project2501b | sorry, man, i run out of ideas. |
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| 18:24.14 | z0mbyk1d | root@shepherd:/var/log# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:24.15 | z0mbyk1d | squeeze/sidroot@shepherd:/var/log# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:24.17 | z0mbyk1d | squeeze/sid |
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| 18:24.22 | z0mbyk1d | doh whops sorry |
| 18:24.27 | abrotman | squeeze and sid don't mix like that .. try again |
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| 18:24.34 | abrotman | and stop asking about your Ubuntu problem |
| 18:24.41 | z0mbyk1d | abrotman: it's not ubuntu |
| 18:24.45 | z0mbyk1d | as you can clearly see |
| 18:25.03 | abrotman | oh come on .. get real .. you are meta-asking about your ubuntu problem .. stop using that distro if the support is that bad |
| 18:25.12 | z0mbyk1d | and honestly, this is a pretty distribution-independent issue, if you ask me |
| 18:25.27 | z0mbyk1d | but what do I know, I've only been running *nix' for 13 years |
| 18:25.31 | abrotman | is that all? |
| 18:25.43 | z0mbyk1d | abrotman: this is a debian box |
| 18:25.55 | abrotman | your problem is an ubuntu box |
| 18:26.28 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.28 | z0mbyk1d | unbelievable |
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| 18:26.40 | z0mbyk1d | yeah i had my systems confused |
| 18:26.40 | project2501b | ... |
| 18:26.44 | abrotman | uhhuh |
| 18:26.45 | project2501b | ok |
| 18:26.49 | project2501b | LART |
| 18:26.50 | project2501b | LART |
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| 18:27.04 | project2501b | aint this some bullshit |
| 18:27.28 | project2501b | go read a manual kid |
| 18:27.28 | cahoot | all the enters? |
| 18:27.28 | pipeline | z0mbyk1d: you are the one asking the questions, not us. We did not ask you whether it was distribution-independent. This is #debian. Please try #ubuntu for ubuntu-related problems, or debian problems on ubuntu. |
| 18:27.47 | pipeline | z0mbyk1d: if #ubuntu doesn't float your boat, I suggest you install debian, for which you will find ample support in #debian :) |
| 18:27.50 | z0mbyk1d | pipeline: where do you see me arguing who's asking questions? |
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| 18:28.17 | z0mbyk1d | god i wish #linux on dalnet |
| 18:28.25 | Selfarian | Hello, i am trying to install xen on a debian squeeze root server with aptitude. My problem is, that the new (xen) kernel doesn't boot. i contacted the support and they told me the console output: "ALERT! /dev/sda3 doas not exist. Dropping to a shell". If i reconfigure the menu.lst to boot the old kernel, the root server is booting. I already tried to find the diff between the old and the new kernel, but found nothing interesti |
| 18:28.25 | Selfarian | g (only some xen parameters in the new kernel). I also tried to rebuild initrd and run update-grub: No errors, but also not bootable. Has anyone ideas? |
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| 18:28.39 | z0mbyk1d | every other linux channel ive been in lately is full of punks :| |
| 18:29.43 | karlpinc | !based on debian |
| 18:29.43 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 18:29.58 | z0mbyk1d | wow i haven't been versioned in like 3 years |
| 18:30.12 | z0mbyk1d | you're pretty k-rad dude! |
| 18:30.53 | thewanderer1 | guys, I call `kpartx -a /dev/sda` but nothing happens. why? |
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| 18:31.24 | project2501b | thewanderer1: there's not a problem that i can'f fix. cuz i can fsck on the disk |
| 18:31.34 | thewanderer1 | riiiiight :P |
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| 18:31.59 | project2501b | READ. THE. FINE. MANUAL. |
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| 18:32.17 | thewanderer1 | I did, nothing on "program reports success but doesn't do anything" :P |
| 18:32.24 | project2501b | thewanderer1: not you dummy |
| 18:32.40 | project2501b | are you running KDE? |
| 18:32.45 | _linuxftw | How would I setup a usb stick with debian to boot on a UEFI motherboard? |
| 18:32.49 | Selfarian | me? |
| 18:32.57 | thewanderer1 | ,file partprobe |
| 18:33.00 | judd | partprobe in squeeze/i386: parted: sbin/partprobe |
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| 18:33.06 | project2501b | whose on first |
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| 18:34.06 | MrFrood | !tell _linuxftw about usb boot |
| 18:34.10 | thewanderer1 | oh hey, partprobe works. kpartx is crap :P |
| 18:34.44 | _linuxftw | Thanks Frood, it doesn't mention UEFI though, think it'd be a problem? |
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| 18:35.00 | MrFrood | no idea |
| 18:35.16 | thewanderer1 | now I don't know what options to pass to mdadm... I've got 1 disk in RAID-1, I want to make RAID-5 out of this by adding *2* disks now |
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| 18:36.51 | MrFrood | _linuxftw: if you find out please update the wiki ;) |
| 18:37.00 | _linuxftw | Will do |
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| 18:37.58 | project2501b | thewanderer1: how on earth are you going to make a raid 5 with TWO disks? |
| 18:39.10 | thewanderer1 | project2501b: I have 1 disk, want to add 2 to have 3... also, RAID-5 should be able to run in degraded mode with 2 disks |
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| 18:39.48 | project2501b | yeah, but you need 3 initially |
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| 18:39.53 | bronaugh | project2501b: nope. |
| 18:40.06 | project2501b | you don't? for raid 5? |
| 18:40.13 | bronaugh | no, you can create a degraded array. |
| 18:40.14 | thewanderer1 | well anyway, I've added another dev and it's rebuilding RAID-1 |
| 18:40.17 | project2501b | ah. |
| 18:40.25 | project2501b | hm. ok |
| 18:40.31 | project2501b | can you move from a raid1 to a raid5? |
| 18:40.36 | project2501b | without destroying the data? |
| 18:40.50 | bronaugh | should be able to. it's kernel dependent. |
| 18:40.54 | bronaugh | I think 2.6.35+ does that. |
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| 18:41.19 | project2501b | Debian. I'm just saying. |
| 18:42.19 | ragnar76 | hi all. i have 2 monitors. one can do 1920x1080 and the second can do 1680x1050. both display are running at 1680x1050 atm. when i try to set the right res for both, the bif one turns black and stays so. any clue what i can do? |
| 18:42.39 | project2501b | ragnar76: what video card do you have? |
| 18:42.46 | thewanderer1 | I'm on 2.6.32 now, will try on this |
| 18:42.48 | project2501b | how many mb of ram does it have? |
| 18:42.55 | torrancew | ragnar76: do you have them mirrored, or spreading your desktop across both? |
| 18:42.59 | thewanderer1 | anyway, should I wait till the RAID1 syncs? |
| 18:43.15 | project2501b | thewanderer1: is this the "oh, crap wrong sata cable" disk? |
| 18:43.32 | thewanderer1 | hm, it's involved :P |
| 18:43.32 | ragnar76 | project2501b: intel onboard, 256 mb shared and a spreaded desktop |
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| 18:44.12 | thewanderer1 | oh heeeey it's kinda working |
| 18:44.16 | torrancew | ragnar76: how are you setting the res? |
| 18:44.22 | thewanderer1 | if not, I'll get a black screen again... 3... 2... 1... :P |
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| 18:46.22 | myrmidette | hello people, may I ask a (sort of) offtopic question? |
| 18:46.23 | thewanderer1 | I don't know how the hell this is supposed to work, but it either claims to have recomputed the checksums in my semi-RAID5 or doesn't display progress in /proc/mdstat at all |
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| 18:46.46 | myrmidette | are there any good books/articles about the history of debian? |
| 18:47.01 | project2501b | myrmidette: no, just battle wounds and dead bodies. |
| 18:47.13 | myrmidette | pictures? |
| 18:47.21 | project2501b | tits or gtfo |
| 18:47.38 | myrmidette | that's what I'm asking you |
| 18:47.52 | project2501b | that's what I'm asking you |
| 18:47.56 | MrFrood | giggles |
| 18:47.56 | myrmidette | are there any good/mediocre/bad books/articles about the history of debian? |
| 18:48.08 | thewanderer1 | I think there was an elaborate chat about that in #d-o lately, no? |
| 18:48.19 | project2501b | yes |
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| 18:48.32 | thewanderer1 | maybe someone could get them the logs |
| 18:48.46 | MrFrood | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ |
| 18:48.55 | gnugr | hides |
| 18:48.57 | thewanderer1 | yeah, just found the same :P |
| 18:49.02 | myrmidette | ty MrFrood |
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| 18:49.52 | Sazpaimon | [14:48] <MrFrood> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ |
| 18:50.04 | Sazpaimon | so wait, for the last 8 years I've been mispronouncing debian? |
| 18:50.39 | dvs | Sazpaimon: Yes, we can tell by your spelling. ;-) |
| 18:50.42 | myrmidette | omgplusonemetoo |
| 18:51.09 | myrmidette | I'll just keep pronouncing it 'deebeean' |
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| 18:51.48 | myrmidette | Sazpaimon, so how do you pronounce it? |
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| 18:52.05 | Sazpaimon | like how myrmidette just did |
| 18:52.23 | Sazpaimon | dee bee an |
| 18:52.41 | myrmidette | isn't that the official way? |
| 18:52.46 | Sazpaimon | no |
| 18:52.49 | myrmidette | I wish we had a .wav file like for linux |
| 18:52.52 | Sazpaimon | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-intro.en.html#s1.2 |
| 18:53.30 | Sazpaimon | nobody pronounces linux like linus does |
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| 18:53.54 | myrmidette | I do |
| 18:53.55 | ragnar76 | for that, there was a wav file |
| 18:54.04 | MrFrood | !history |
| 18:54.04 | dpkg | debian history is, like, http://www.debian.org/intro/about#history http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ or ask me about <release history> for the reader's digest condensed version. |
| 18:54.49 | MrFrood | admires the factoid |
| 18:55.02 | Sazpaimon | oh great, out of nowhere it suddenly starts pouring buckets |
| 18:55.11 | Sazpaimon | guess I'm not leaving the office early today |
| 18:55.11 | xyzp | i like mp. |
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| 18:55.33 | myrmidette | The project name is pronounced Deb'-ee-en, with a short e in Deb, and emphasis on the first syllable. This word is a contraction of the names of Debra and Ian Murdock, who founded the project. (Dictionaries seem to offer some ambiguity in the pronunciation of Ian (!), but Ian prefers ee'-en.) |
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| 18:57.12 | Sazpaimon | My name is Ian and I always used to correct people who mispronounced my name |
| 18:57.31 | dvs | Hi, AYE-ANNE |
| 18:57.45 | Sazpaimon | I actually met one guy who apparently gave up and decided to keep it the wrong way |
| 18:57.52 | MrFrood | wonders if myrmidette has considered a career as a bot..? |
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| 18:58.22 | myrmidette | MrFrood, I already have all my helpful canned responses set up |
| 18:58.33 | xyzp | :-) |
| 18:58.37 | myrmidette | so yes, I'm a part-time bot |
| 18:59.15 | myrmidette | my most-used (since I hang out on help channels) is: please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all in ONE message and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply ;) |
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| 18:59.49 | MrFrood | myrmidette: you mean... |
| 18:59.52 | MrFrood | !ask |
| 18:59.53 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 19:00.32 | myrmidette | that's 2 separate responses for me, the other one is: The generally accepted form of asking questions is: "Hello fellow mint users, I have <your flavor/version of mint>. I am trying to get <your goal>. I have performed <your actions>, and I have gotten <your results>. Can someone please help me?" |
| 19:00.48 | myrmidette | oh and I use linux mint (based on ubuntu based on debian) |
| 19:01.03 | dvs | and then we reply... |
| 19:01.03 | myrmidette | but it looks prettier than ubuntu or debian |
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| 19:01.39 | MrFrood | !based on |
| 19:01.39 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 19:01.51 | dvs | thanks MrFrood for "getting it" |
| 19:02.31 | MrFrood | giggles |
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| 19:03.03 | myrmidette | dpkg thank you for the clear and concise explanation |
| 19:03.03 | dpkg | pas de quoi, myrmidette |
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| 19:03.19 | myrmidette | yeah yeah |
| 19:03.49 | myrmidette | np |
| 19:04.18 | allu2 | can someone define "Debian Distribution" to me, what does it take to be debian system, packages, configs, kernel? etc |
| 19:04.40 | jelly-home | also: |
| 19:04.42 | jelly-home | !mint |
| 19:04.42 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 19:05.26 | myrmidette | !mintppc |
| 19:05.26 | dpkg | Linux MintPPC is a GNU/Linux distribution for <PowerPC> systems based on <Linux Mint> LXDE. It is not supported in #debian. http://mintppc.org/ |
| 19:05.48 | myrmidette | huh weird there should be a separate entry for it |
| 19:05.58 | myrmidette | !ubuntu |
| 19:05.58 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 19:06.19 | myrmidette | !Debian policy |
| 19:06.19 | dpkg | well, policy is the document that defines how Debian packages should (and must!) interact with each other and with the user to make sure we have a high-quality, stable distribution. You can find it at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ or in the debian-policy package. Those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. See also <best practices> <nmg> <mentors>. |
| 19:06.26 | thewanderer1 | !tell myrmidette about msg the bot |
| 19:06.29 | allu2 | hum but can someone define if my system is debian or no, like i want to do some test etc, how i could see if this is debian or no |
| 19:06.34 | myrmidette | ok I'll query dpkg |
| 19:06.44 | MrFrood | !tell myrmidette about selftell |
| 19:06.52 | MrFrood | :P |
| 19:06.58 | dvs | allu2: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:07.18 | myrmidette | ty thewanderer1 and MrFrood- I was not selftelling |
| 19:07.22 | allu2 | aleksi@crunchbang:~$ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:07.22 | allu2 | wheezy/sid |
| 19:07.30 | allu2 | dvs: so this is debian? |
| 19:07.33 | _linuxftw | yes |
| 19:07.36 | _linuxftw | old though |
| 19:07.37 | thewanderer1 | allu2: `lsb_release -a` |
| 19:07.43 | dvs | _linuxftw: old? |
| 19:07.49 | dvs | it's "too new" |
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| 19:08.03 | _linuxftw | My bad, you're right |
| 19:08.12 | allu2 | No LSB modules are available. |
| 19:08.12 | allu2 | Distributor ID:Debian |
| 19:08.12 | allu2 | Description:Debian GNU/Linux testing (wheezy) |
| 19:08.12 | allu2 | Release:testing |
| 19:08.12 | allu2 | Codename:wheezy |
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| 19:08.26 | allu2 | ups |
| 19:08.41 | allu2 | but in the end this is debian right? |
| 19:08.50 | _linuxftw | yes |
| 19:08.55 | MrFrood | !tell allu2 about pastebin |
| 19:09.03 | abrotman | cruchbang is NOT Debian |
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| 19:09.17 | allu2 | abrotman: but this isn't crunchbang anymore ;) |
| 19:09.26 | dvs | so it is! ;-) |
| 19:09.26 | abrotman | allu2: i told you, it's a frankenstein .. |
| 19:09.41 | allu2 | abrotman: and how i can see what i need to do to make it compleatly debian? |
| 19:09.52 | abrotman | allu2: you would see the installation guide |
| 19:10.09 | allu2 | what if there is no difference and this is debian and i did upgrade succesfully |
| 19:10.18 | gnugr | giggles as MrFrood |
| 19:10.27 | allu2 | i need to know :P i don't want to reinstall for nothing |
| 19:10.43 | MrFrood | eek! |
| 19:10.43 | justin_ | allu2: what does aptitude search ~o list? |
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| 19:11.21 | abrotman | allu2: you're also not running a Debian kernel |
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| 19:12.49 | allu2 | abrotman: i am now |
| 19:13.02 | allu2 | abrotman: i suppose as i downloaded it from the debian repos :P |
| 19:13.07 | allu2 | justin_: http://pastebin.com/P860LS5U |
| 19:13.24 | abrotman | hey look .. crunchbang packages .. |
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| 19:14.41 | allu2 | abrotman: hey look i have skype and its not default debian package ;) |
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| 19:14.53 | allu2 | abrotman: does it mean any debian with skype isn't debian? |
| 19:14.57 | abrotman | yes |
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| 19:15.26 | allu2 | abrotman: your really saying debian is debian as long as you install only packages from debian repo? |
| 19:15.34 | abrotman | you're |
| 19:15.51 | allu2 | can someone confirm this, sounds rather odd policy |
| 19:16.28 | MrFrood | allu2: technically this is correct |
| 19:16.34 | themill | allu2: what on earth makes you think that a random mixture of packages from other distributions would still be Debian? |
| 19:16.36 | KaffeeJunky123 | allu2: if you pack skype with your debian, you can nolonger call it debian |
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| 19:17.12 | allu2 | does this mean if someone here has skype on their computer and ask advice they should be redirected out of here? |
| 19:17.32 | abrotman | if they ask about skype, yes .. we don't support it here |
| 19:17.37 | _linuxftw | They would be freedom haters, yes |
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| 19:17.59 | allu2 | but its not debian os as long as skype is in it, so even if they do ask for some debian package it shoulnd't be supported |
| 19:18.32 | abrotman | allu2: in your case, you've mixed two distros .. that's way different .. you have a mixture of two systems, and you don't know what each has done to any file .. |
| 19:18.44 | allu2 | and the freedom haters claim would mean if someone has non-free or perhaps even contrib resiptorys in use they are not supported here? |
| 19:19.16 | abrotman | allu2: contrib packages are free .. they depend on non-free stuff .. contrib/non-free are not technically part of debian |
| 19:19.40 | allu2 | abrotman: so people who have them enabled are not going to get support in #debian? |
| 19:20.20 | daemonkeeper | Now not only some external packages are off topic, also some discussions around Debian in #debian *hint hint* |
| 19:20.36 | abrotman | i didn't say that .. but they're generally left to a few that know them .. and care about them |
| 19:20.54 | abrotman | you'll only see a handful of people talking about the crapfest that are nvidia binary drivers |
| 19:20.55 | allu2 | hum fair enough |
| 19:21.21 | allu2 | heh know the pain with them.. |
| 19:21.48 | allu2 | well to put simple, what is the simplest way to get all the software i installed my self installed fastly on new debian installation? |
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| 19:22.25 | allu2 | ofcouse i can edit manually this list to remove obvious crunchbang packages wich aren't propably even found on debian repos |
| 19:22.45 | allu2 | but would be nice to have programs i installed from debian repos back right after installation |
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| 19:23.32 | _linuxftw | perhaps get a list of the installed packages, save it, then pipe it to apt-get install after you reinstall? |
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| 19:23.43 | allu2 | how i make the list |
| 19:23.56 | _linuxftw | apt-cache might have a way to list all currently installed packages |
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| 19:24.08 | allu2 | hmm well i'll have to see tomorrow |
| 19:24.25 | allu2 | and remind be back up xorg.conf :P |
| 19:24.33 | allu2 | such a pain to setup every time manually |
| 19:24.48 | allu2 | Night's |
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| 19:25.04 | themill | !aptitude clone |
| 19:25.04 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>. |
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| 19:25.36 | allu2 | i'll copy that uup |
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| 19:35.26 | Karen_m | is there an editor that efficiently can edit large files? they all want to open the whole file up .. I was hoping there is a better editor for this |
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| 19:35.36 | tb | Hello, I've a big problem : |
| 19:36.12 | tb | I'm updating lenny to squeeze, But the disk space is too short ! |
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| 19:36.41 | tb | So I've a lot of error "can not write file xxx" |
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| 19:36.55 | stockholm | you can delete stuff from /usr/share/ |
| 19:36.57 | MrFrood | Karen_m: you could try a line-oriented text editor if you are feeling brave |
| 19:37.00 | tb | How could I pause the updating ? |
| 19:37.14 | tb | stockholm, what's stuff ? |
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| 19:37.28 | justin_ | tb: pkill -STOP dpkg |
| 19:37.29 | tb | ok |
| 19:37.29 | stockholm | tb: documentation for example |
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| 19:37.41 | WarrenChild | good afternoon all!! would someone please tell me a good backup/restore system for debian |
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| 19:37.48 | tb | justin : pkill or kill ? |
| 19:37.52 | justin_ | pkill |
| 19:37.58 | justin_ | kill expects a pid |
| 19:38.02 | stockholm | WarrenChild: dublicity is nice |
| 19:38.04 | MrFrood | tb: you could also do an aptitude clean aswell |
| 19:38.04 | justin_ | WarrenChild: for backing up what? |
| 19:38.08 | WarrenChild | server |
| 19:38.15 | zorg1 | WarrenChild, mondo |
| 19:38.22 | WarrenChild | samba, users, permissions, web server |
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| 19:38.31 | justin_ | a server? 10 servers? |
| 19:38.36 | stockholm | on servers we use baccula, but its hard to set up |
| 19:38.39 | WarrenChild | so if I have to reinstall I can take the back up and make everything the same |
| 19:38.46 | WarrenChild | even If I have to move it to a new computer |
| 19:38.53 | tb | justin : thanks, now the update is in "pause". |
| 19:38.59 | WarrenChild | one server |
| 19:39.02 | zorg1 | WarrenChild, you can backup the system without stoppinh the server |
| 19:39.06 | tb | MrFrood, what is aswell ? |
| 19:39.14 | WarrenChild | mondo |
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| 19:39.19 | justin_ | tb: apt-get autoclean free up much space? |
| 19:39.19 | WarrenChild | is it easy to restore? |
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| 19:39.30 | MrFrood | as well as the other stuff suggested |
| 19:39.34 | WarrenChild | can I take the back up to a fresh system and make it as the old one? |
| 19:39.50 | WarrenChild | implement all the back up information? |
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| 19:40.19 | tb | justin_, I cant use this fonction because therer are an apt-get dist-upgrade who is warking... |
| 19:40.22 | tb | *working |
| 19:40.29 | zorg1 | WarrenChild, it s easy to use and it generate a rescue cd/dvd disk and it can alsa be use by pxe |
| 19:40.34 | justin_ | oh, right |
| 19:40.58 | WarrenChild | zorg1: thank you this kind of looks like what I need. can it run in the backgroud without effecting my server and its services? |
| 19:40.58 | tb | So I cant delete logiciels... |
| 19:41.15 | justin_ | tb: what does du -acx / |egrep "^[0-9]{5}" | sort -n show |
| 19:41.17 | tb | justin, How could I restart the program ? |
| 19:41.29 | tb | I'm trying |
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| 19:42.02 | zorg1 | WarrenChild, it can work on different computer change the partition. you just boot on the cd generate |
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| 19:42.45 | tb | justin_, du -acx ... ask me something with > _ |
| 19:42.52 | WarrenChild | zorg1: thanks! I understand that, but can it create a backup without inturreupting the services of my server? |
| 19:42.55 | zorg1 | WarrenChild, yes we use it on cron |
| 19:43.00 | justin_ | tb: you messed up the command |
| 19:43.08 | WarrenChild | waht is cron? |
| 19:43.08 | justin_ | tb: du -acx / |egrep "^[0-9]{5}" | sort -n |
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| 19:44.00 | tb | ok |
| 19:44.15 | tb | it is working |
| 19:44.23 | tb | and what does this function do ? |
| 19:44.24 | WarrenChild | zorg1: what is cron? |
| 19:44.41 | justin_ | tb: tells you what is using all your space |
| 19:44.49 | tb | ok, thanks |
| 19:45.23 | zorg1 | WarrenChild, you don't have to stop anything here is an example "mondoarchive -OFNi -7 -s 700m -d /backupdir/1 -E "/var/tmp /var/www /var/spool/squid /proc /tmp /home/var/mondo" |
| 19:45.33 | tb | But I can't give you the result (not paste possible) because I use two differents machines. |
| 19:45.44 | zorg1 | we use the crontab |
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| 19:46.36 | zorg1 | WarrenChild, To create a rescuecd every week you can put a script in /etc/cron.weekly/ |
| 19:46.42 | justin_ | tb: I don't need the results, you need the results |
| 19:46.45 | tb | justin_, What could I give to you ? (I can't paste the result) |
| 19:46.49 | tb | ok |
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| 19:47.55 | tb | ? |
| 19:47.59 | zorg1 | WarrenChild, http://www.pantz.org/software/cron/croninfo.html |
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| 19:48.27 | tb | justin /usr is the biggest, after /var and /var/cache/apt/archives. |
| 19:48.38 | tb | Could I delete this folder ? |
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| 19:49.17 | tb | justin_, what's the utility of this folder ? |
| 19:49.17 | justin_ | tb: is there someone else in charge of this machine you could ask for help? |
| 19:49.39 | WarrenChild | zorg1: thank you so much! very usefull I appreciate your direct answer |
| 19:49.41 | tb | justin_, no, it's my personnal computer. |
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| 19:50.42 | gnugr | dondelelcaro: |
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| 19:55.18 | tb | justin_, please how could i restart the updating ??? |
| 19:55.28 | justin_ | tb: pkill -CONT dpkg |
| 19:55.52 | tb | thanks. |
| 19:57.00 | tb | I've delete the folder archive and now the updating as a bug. I'll see tomorow. |
| 19:57.03 | tb | Thanks. |
| 20:00.01 | boldgold | way to improve short-term memory |
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| 20:03.18 | cybor0 | hello |
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| 20:03.43 | ROI2 | hi everybody !! |
| 20:03.47 | cybor0 | i looking for some help with radeon vga |
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| 20:04.22 | cybor0 | problem is with slow DR in game and with redraw with firefox |
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| 20:07.07 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: hmm, so, managed to replicate the problem again today, this time much more tightly constrained. |
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| 20:07.38 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: task A copies files to directory B. task C then tries to list directory B. task C hangs, deadlocked. |
| 20:07.51 | babilen | cybor0: Please paste the output of "glxinfo" to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 20:09.53 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: oh yeah, and tasks A and C run concurrently. |
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| 20:13.15 | thewanderer1 | when I've migrated to RAID5 on /, will I no longer be able to boot? |
| 20:13.24 | thewanderer1 | (GRUB2, no /boot ) |
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| 20:14.21 | bronaugh | thewanderer1: afaik yes. |
| 20:14.33 | thewanderer1 | hehe, sounds like fun ahead |
| 20:14.50 | bronaugh | that being said, I seem to recall something about grub implementing some weirdo module to do it. |
| 20:14.58 | thewanderer1 | alright so... how do I fix it while I'm still running? :P |
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| 20:15.14 | ronny | hi |
| 20:15.28 | bronaugh | thewanderer1: install grub to a usb thumb drive, boot from that? |
| 20:15.33 | bronaugh | realistically that's the option most likely to work. |
| 20:15.43 | thewanderer1 | okay |
| 20:15.53 | bronaugh | more like, put /boot on it, I guess. |
| 20:15.55 | bronaugh | but same deal. |
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| 20:17.04 | cybor0 | babilen http://paste.debian.net/115306/ here is output from glxinfo |
| 20:17.11 | thewanderer1 | guess I should've set aside some /boot space :P |
| 20:17.24 | DammitJim | how do I add a daemon to run on startup? all the documentation I read says to add my rsync command to /etc/inetd.conf |
| 20:17.30 | bronaugh | thewanderer1: yeah. when I'm setting such things up, I either do that or, better yet, put / and all its cousins on SSD |
| 20:17.43 | DammitJim | but I don't have such file... do I just create it? or is there a different Squeeze way? |
| 20:17.47 | babilen | cybor0: You are using software rendering. Which card do you have and which driver do you use? |
| 20:17.53 | bronaugh | DammitJim: gotta use xinetd |
| 20:18.02 | bronaugh | DammitJim: look for more modern instructions. |
| 20:18.04 | thewanderer1 | or just install openbsd-inetd |
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| 20:18.21 | ronny | i force-installed a recent dropbox build for ubuntu on my debuan, but now apt complains about a certain dependency (libnautilus-extension1), can i tell it to ignore that case, or should i reinstal using another package? |
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| 20:18.30 | justin_ | DammitJim: /etc/default/rsync |
| 20:18.44 | cybor0 | babilen ATI Technologies Inc Mobility Radeon HD 3650 |
| 20:18.57 | DammitJim | justin_, what does /etc/default/rsync do? |
| 20:19.06 | justin_ | DammitJim: read it |
| 20:19.09 | buhman | I did a safe upgrade to wheezy a few moments ago, and while the updates were installing, my wireless suddenly turned off and I've been unable to use it again since |
| 20:19.18 | DammitJim | oh ok, thanks |
| 20:19.39 | babilen | cybor0: And which driver do you use? |
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| 20:19.54 | buhman | I've had similar problems with my cards in other distributions (presumably with similarly up-to-date broken packages) |
| 20:20.05 | babilen | !tell cybor0 about radeon |
| 20:20.14 | cybor0 | xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1.6.14.1-1 |
| 20:20.44 | buhman | how can I diagnose this problem and or undo the last change I did with the update? |
| 20:20.46 | babilen | cybor0: If you use the standard "radeon" driver -- You have to install firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-dri to get hardware rendering |
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| 20:22.03 | ronny | anyone? |
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| 20:22.29 | cybor0 | babilen i have this packages installed |
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| 20:22.49 | justin_ | buhman: what did you upgrade from? |
| 20:23.07 | buhman | justin_: squeeze |
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| 20:23.22 | cybor0 | babilen firmware-linux-nofree version 0.29 |
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| 20:23.41 | babilen | cybor0: wonderful, do you also have libgl1-mesa-dri ? |
| 20:23.42 | buhman | justin_: I started using it partially because there were a few packages in particular that I wanted from wheezy, and then I ended up just upgrading the rest of the way a few hours ago |
| 20:23.54 | babilen | cybor0: (assuming the -nofree was a typo) |
| 20:24.13 | cybor0 | babilen libgl1-mesa-dri version 7.10-4 |
| 20:24.34 | froggyman | is confused as to why metacity doesn't start on startup |
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| 20:24.43 | babilen | cybor0: Please paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:25.19 | froggyman | I followed http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz to install Compiz, but preferred Metacity so i ran the last command on their that says will enable metacity as default. But it doesn't |
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| 20:25.36 | babilen | cybor0: "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net /var/log/Xorg.0.log" (install pastebinit first) |
| 20:25.50 | cybor0 | babilen http://paste.debian.net/115309/ |
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| 20:27.30 | babilen | cybor0: Do you have a xorg.conf (or a snippet in xorg.conf.d) ? |
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| 20:28.21 | cybor0 | i have /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 20:28.34 | babilen | cybor0: The problem is reported on line 753 -- |
| 20:28.55 | babilen | cybor0: Could you try *without* any xorg.conf please and paste the xorg.log again? |
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| 20:29.17 | babilen | cybor0: I would also like to take a look at your current config :) |
| 20:29.29 | cybor0 | oki |
| 20:29.50 | dvs | fglrx? |
| 20:30.43 | cybor0 | babilen i use 2 config i have one and have problem so i change it to second i paste two config files |
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| 20:31.07 | babilen | cybor0: Please try it *without* *any* config |
| 20:31.12 | babilen | dvs: radeon |
| 20:31.48 | cybor0 | http://paste.debian.net/115311/ old config |
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| 20:32.15 | DammitJim | if I want to add a startup daemon, is it frowned upon to just edit /etc/init.d? |
| 20:32.16 | cybor0 | http://paste.debian.net/115312/ current |
| 20:32.30 | justin_ | DammitJim: are you still messing with rsymc? |
| 20:32.30 | dvs | DammitJim: Some people do that. |
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| 20:32.48 | DammitJim | justin_, it's not just about rsync... this is something that i want to get clear |
| 20:32.53 | DammitJim | there is so much to learn |
| 20:32.59 | cybor0 | babilen what try without config ?? |
| 20:33.21 | babilen | cybor0: Start the x server without *any* /etc/X11/xorg.conf in place |
| 20:33.49 | zgedneil | DammitJim: if this is a one-time thing at boot you could put it in /etc/rc.local |
| 20:33.52 | cybor0 | oki i'll back soon |
| 20:34.07 | babilen | DammitJim: If you mean editing random init scripts, then yes. It is pretty much frowned upon. Read /etc/init.d/README ! |
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| 20:34.09 | DammitJim | zgedneil, thanks... there seems to be different ways of doing this |
| 20:34.29 | DammitJim | and it depends on the needs of the user |
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| 20:35.15 | zgedneil | DammitJim: hence "if" :-) |
| 20:35.24 | DammitJim | so, so far, I got: Install xinetd, install openbsd-inetd, edit something in init.d |
| 20:35.36 | zgedneil | what do you really want to do? |
| 20:35.49 | DammitJim | zgedneil, is there a different reason why you would want to do something multiple times at boot? |
| 20:36.07 | DammitJim | I just want a script to starts lircd to run |
| 20:36.16 | DammitJim | then I also want rsync daemon to start |
| 20:36.30 | justin_ | DammitJim: rsync already comes with an init script |
| 20:36.33 | DammitJim | I hope I'm not asking stupid questions... it's just hard to wrap your head around so many things |
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| 20:36.44 | justin_ | and I bet lircd does too |
| 20:36.46 | zgedneil | daemons are generally run if they're installed |
| 20:36.52 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 20:38.01 | thewanderer1 | does it sound safe to dd the MBR from 1 running disk to another running disk, all while a RAID5 sync is in progress? |
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| 20:38.12 | thewanderer1 | what I want to do is move around some partitions |
| 20:38.24 | crilly | Is Bastille worth it? I want to implement basic security for a standard Debian web server. |
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| 20:38.39 | cybor0 | babilen without any config |
| 20:38.46 | babilen | cybor0: Did you by chance had the fglrx driver installed before? |
| 20:38.52 | cybor0 | yes |
| 20:38.52 | babilen | cybor0: yes, without a config file |
| 20:38.56 | rafanovas | when I try to remove packages like tomboy, epiphany, it wants to remove gnome too, but I just want to remove those software, not entire gnome |
| 20:39.00 | DammitJim | justin_, /etc/default/rsync says you can use inetd to run as a daemon... that's why I'm confused because of the many options |
| 20:39.16 | babilen | cybor0: How did you install it and did you remove it? But I would still like to see the output without a config |
| 20:39.19 | justin_ | DammitJim: # Use "inetd" if you want to start the rsyncd from inetd, |
| 20:39.19 | cybor0 | babilen i have |
| 20:39.24 | cybor0 | radeon driver iand problem so |
| 20:39.26 | justin_ | DammitJim: you don't have to "want" to do that |
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| 20:39.32 | cybor0 | i install fglrx driver |
| 20:39.34 | cybor0 | and use |
| 20:39.43 | cybor0 | aticonfig |
| 20:39.46 | DammitJim | LOL... right, so the next question is why would I want to use inetd to start it |
| 20:39.50 | justin_ | rafanovas: gnome is a metapackage, not entire gnome |
| 20:40.01 | justin_ | DammitJim: your next question should be "What is inetd?" |
| 20:40.10 | cybor0 | output with config problem with load modul ati ves etc |
| 20:40.13 | DammitJim | good point, justin_ |
| 20:40.19 | DammitJim | reads about inetd |
| 20:40.20 | babilen | cybor0: How did you install it? Have you removed it? What happens if you start the X server without a xorg.conf in place? |
| 20:40.39 | macrobat | rafanovas: you can mark pkgs as manually installed and they will stay installed unless you remove their dependencies |
| 20:42.13 | thewanderer1 | crilly: Bastille is not bad, but if you want to do yourself a favour, get a grsec kernel too |
| 20:42.16 | cybor0 | i install fglrx and have more problem with redraw speed so i uninstall it and now i have only xorg-..-radeon when i run server without any config server dosen't up with message could not load driver ati ves etc |
| 20:42.49 | thewanderer1 | crilly: there's also this 'harden' package you might want to try |
| 20:43.40 | babilen | cybor0: Th server should use the radeon driver by default -- How did you install the fglrx driver? |
| 20:44.01 | cybor0 | with synaptic |
| 20:44.23 | babilen | Ok, and you completely removed it? |
| 20:44.27 | justin_ | cybor0: the actual error would be helpful |
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| 20:44.50 | babilen | ah, /me needs a break. Have a nice evening :) |
| 20:45.01 | crilly | thewanderer1: I see. I thought Bastille did hardening of the system? |
| 20:45.14 | DammitJim | when one installs debian with say a web server, where does the installer put the startup daemon for apache2? |
| 20:45.16 | cybor0 | babilen yes |
| 20:45.19 | buhman | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.28 | thewanderer1 | crilly: I think Bastille is a dependency of harden, harden has more coverage and is Debian-specific |
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| 20:46.47 | crilly | thewanderer1: Ah! I shall Google it and investigate. Thank you |
| 20:46.48 | cybor0 | i remove fglrx-driver fglrx0glx fglrx-glx-ia32 afglrx-tiventsd and fglrx-control and fglrx-modules-dkms |
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| 20:47.07 | justin_ | DammitJim: startup daemon? |
| 20:47.46 | DammitJim | my choice of words is poor... where does it tell debian that the apache daemon has to get started every time the server boots up |
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| 20:48.30 | shrimpwagon | Hello there! I <3 Debian |
| 20:48.36 | shrimpwagon | I have a prob |
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| 20:48.46 | shrimpwagon | I upgraded from Lenny to Squeeze |
| 20:48.58 | shrimpwagon | and now I cant ./configure |
| 20:49.02 | shrimpwagon | it can't find gcc |
| 20:49.08 | shrimpwagon | says I don't have a C++ compiler |
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| 20:49.26 | buhman | shrimpwagon: isn't that g++ |
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| 20:49.46 | shrimpwagon | possibly, I don't know, I'm not a noob but def not guru |
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| 20:50.31 | cybor0 | babilen http://paste.debian.net/115313/ |
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| 20:52.00 | shrimpwagon | @buhman I don't know |
| 20:52.44 | shrimpwagon | How do you whisper? |
| 20:52.53 | shrimpwagon | or talk to someone? |
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| 20:53.43 | bronaugh | shrimpwagon: apt-get install g++ libc6-dev |
| 20:53.51 | bronaugh | oh and libstdc++6-dev |
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| 20:54.02 | babilen | just install built-essential |
| 20:54.24 | bronaugh | ... or that, which is probably a better answer. |
| 20:54.26 | shrimpwagon | You think doing the upgrade did something to it |
| 20:54.32 | shrimpwagon | I didn't have that prob before |
| 20:54.39 | shrimpwagon | I did apt-get distro-upgrade |
| 20:54.43 | bronaugh | well; yeah. upgrades occasionally resolve conflicts by removing crap. |
| 20:54.44 | shrimpwagon | everything seemed to go fine |
| 20:54.55 | shrimpwagon | ah |
| 20:55.00 | cybor0 | babilen do you need some more info |
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| 20:55.14 | shrimpwagon | btw, how do you use this irc? |
| 20:56.08 | bronaugh | ... you use it? /join to join a channel, /part to leave a channel, /msg to message people |
| 20:56.25 | MrFrood | !tell shrimpwagon about irc |
| 20:56.33 | shrimpwagon | !tell |
| 20:56.35 | shrimpwagon | ? |
| 20:56.56 | bronaugh | shrimpwagon: bot command. |
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| 20:57.08 | shrimpwagon | bronaugh: hey there |
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| 20:57.18 | MrFrood | shrimpwagon: another buffer should of opened with a message from one of the bots |
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| 20:57.41 | bronaugh | MrFrood: btw, it's "should have" not "should of" |
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| 20:58.11 | MrFrood | bronaugh: noted |
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| 20:59.29 | cybor0 | babilen do you have any idea what is going on |
| 20:59.47 | babilen | no, i'm taking a break |
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| 21:01.58 | cybor0 | babilen ok thens |
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| 21:03.13 | shrimpwagon | bronaugh: thank you |
| 21:03.24 | shrimpwagon | MrFrood: got it, thanks |
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| 21:04.17 | shrimpwagon | Did those beep and change color like it was attentioning |
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| 21:04.37 | shrimpwagon | sorry, I'm just a noob to IRC |
| 21:04.52 | shrimpwagon | I've been using Deb for like over 5 years now |
| 21:05.07 | shrimpwagon | I'm a LAMP developer |
| 21:05.10 | bronaugh | shrimpwagon: yes. |
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| 21:05.22 | shrimpwagon | This is SOO much better than Googling all the time |
| 21:05.36 | shrimpwagon | I'm getting quad monitors so I can leave this IRC up |
| 21:05.44 | shrimpwagon | freakin nerdin out yo |
| 21:06.12 | MrFrood | shrimpwagon: try /msg dpkg irc tutorial |
| 21:06.13 | shrimpwagon | does the CASE matter in that case? |
| 21:08.26 | shrimpwagon | MrFrood: thank you, I'm reading it now |
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| 21:12.02 | shrimpwagon | so I'm just using freenode.net right now but is ircII better? |
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| 21:12.10 | shrimpwagon | What are yall using? |
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| 21:13.36 | MrFrood | shrimpwagon: might be better to ask this sort of stuff in #debian-offtopic but for the record I'm using weechat |
| 21:14.42 | shrimpwagon | MrFrood: Ok, sorry, is this a good place to get help with problems related to Debian or is there another channel I should be on. |
| 21:14.43 | MrFrood | which means all the guts using irssi think I'm a wuss :-/ |
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| 21:15.23 | Bushmills | shrimpwagon: IRC is not a replacement for google |
| 21:15.25 | MrFrood | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.56 | shrimpwagon | Bushmills: I agree 100%, but sometimes even Google doesn't help too well |
| 21:15.58 | dserban | I got 99 problems but debian a'int one... |
| 21:16.01 | Bushmills | nor a substitute |
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| 21:17.50 | MrFrood | Bushmills: is dpkg a substitute for google..? |
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| 21:18.42 | torrancew | MrFrood: I'm an irssi user, but not an irssi snob ;) |
| 21:20.00 | shrimpwagon | "#debian: Meant for Debian users support. Any questions related to using Debian are welcome." |
| 21:20.08 | MrFrood | torrancew: does not that make you very unique? |
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| 21:22.01 | torrancew | MrFrood: among many other things |
| 21:22.12 | MrFrood | :D |
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| 21:23.09 | torrancew | I'm very much an open source hippie - live and let live, and all that happy nonsense. |
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| 21:23.35 | MrFrood | the way it should be :) |
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| 21:27.26 | shrimpwagon | Does anyone have any experience upgrading a distro on EC2? |
| 21:27.58 | jhutchins_lt | shrimpwagon: What's EC2? |
| 21:28.21 | MrFrood | amazon |
| 21:28.25 | shrimpwagon | jhutchins_lt: Elastic Cloud Computing |
| 21:28.38 | bronaugh | ok, so what distribution is going to become stable? |
| 21:28.45 | shrimpwagon | right MrF, Amazon's cloud service |
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| 21:29.27 | bronaugh | oh; I'm running stable on a machine. $deity forbid! |
| 21:29.37 | shrimpwagon | I was going to update the Lenny to Squeeze on there |
| 21:29.47 | shrimpwagon | but I tried it on my dev and it crapped up gcc |
| 21:30.01 | jhutchins_lt | I thought that was down. |
| 21:30.11 | shrimpwagon | It was |
| 21:30.18 | shrimpwagon | Yeah, we got hit hard |
| 21:30.30 | shrimpwagon | We went down Thurs |
| 21:30.37 | shrimpwagon | wasn't up until Sat noon |
| 21:30.53 | shrimpwagon | The whole place was twiddlin their thumbs |
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| 21:31.02 | jhutchins_lt | So what happens to the data you store there if Amazon goes down, or decides to get out of the business? |
| 21:31.11 | shrimpwagon | Poof |
| 21:31.16 | shrimpwagon | Is ephemeral |
| 21:31.24 | jhutchins_lt | I'm sure it's still on their drives. |
| 21:31.34 | shrimpwagon | That is why if you go EC2/RDS you need a backup plan which is what I'm doing now |
| 21:32.25 | shrimpwagon | bronaugh: libc6-dev is installed |
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| 21:37.47 | shrimpwagon | bronaugh: I just installed libstdc++6.4.4-dev but I still get the error |
| 21:38.00 | shrimpwagon | "error: C++ compiler cannot create executables" |
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| 21:41.46 | thewanderer1 | from what mdraid metadata versions can grub-pc boot in Squeeze/amd64 ? |
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| 21:47.36 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: 0.9 for sure. 1.0 supposedly as well. Non-partitioned MD arrays. |
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| 21:48.20 | rxt0 | hi there, when rm'ing a file from a ntfs partition it shows up "no such file or directory" any clues? |
| 21:48.25 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: if you use 0.9 you also have lilo as an option |
| 21:48.48 | jil | hello |
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| 21:49.24 | MrFrood | !ask |
| 21:49.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 21:49.55 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: just found out from the release notes that 1.2 should work for grub-pc after 201007xx so I'll try that :P |
| 21:50.54 | jil | Is there a tool which can automaticaly detected FAT32 and EXT4 file system on a extended partition ? This would be to restor the boot record of that extended partition. |
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| 21:54.32 | jhutchins_lt | jil: Extended partitions do not have boot records. |
| 21:54.40 | jhutchins_lt | jil: WHat are you actually trying to do? |
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| 21:57.25 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: would be nice if that worked, since mdadm in squeeze defaults to 1.2 |
| 21:57.40 | jelly-home | that also goes for mdadm in d-i I think |
| 21:57.52 | bronaugh | hmm |
| 21:57.55 | bronaugh | ok, so got a nasty question. |
| 21:57.59 | thewanderer1 | it seems that d-i still makes 0.9 |
| 21:58.04 | bronaugh | how can I tell what point version linux-image-2.6.38-2-amd64 contains? |
| 21:58.05 | jelly-home | smart thing. |
| 21:58.12 | jelly-home | bronaugh: point? |
| 21:58.18 | bronaugh | ie, is it 2.6.38.4? |
| 21:58.22 | jelly-home | bronaugh: look at the changelog. |
| 21:58.22 | bronaugh | or is it .3? |
| 21:58.58 | jil | I'm trying to restor 3 volumes (2 fat32 and 1 ext3) that were on the extended partition. |
| 21:59.14 | bronaugh | jelly-home: ok, thanks. changelog answered. |
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| 21:59.32 | jelly-home | .4 is likely too new |
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| 21:59.37 | jil | I think I erased the place on the extended partition that pointed to the three volumes |
| 21:59.43 | bronaugh | jelly-home: it's in there. |
| 21:59.48 | jelly-home | oh, nice |
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| 22:00.05 | jelly-home | that means I have a package to upgrade |
| 22:00.15 | bronaugh | there's a lot of NFS clean-up in 2.6.38 and corresponding carnage in the .1, .2, and .3 releases. |
| 22:00.53 | jelly-home | oh? My nfs servers are on lenny |
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| 22:01.43 | jil | So I'm looking for the exact position of the 3 files system on the disk because I would like to edit the partition table. |
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| 22:02.27 | jelly-home | jil: there are some tools that try to guess a previous partition table out of disk contents. "gpart" comes to mind. |
| 22:02.30 | rafanovas | I cannot mount my external HD, the mount process fails. I was able to mount it on Fedora and openSUSE, here's the dmesg log: http://codepad.org/sXRFbkX0 |
| 22:02.58 | catsup | jil: should be no problem to find the fs signature unless you have fs images on the filesystems |
| 22:03.18 | xand | rafanovas: umm, what filesystem is it and what mount command did you use? |
| 22:04.03 | rafanovas | xand: I think it's NTFS, and when I connect it, debian tries to mount it automatically but fails |
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| 22:04.15 | jelly-home | rafanovas: does the "blkid" command (as root) have anything to say about sdb1? |
| 22:04.21 | jhutchins_lt | rafanovas: It seems to think it's a CD drive. |
| 22:04.36 | bronaugh | jelly-home: my experience says: keep them there. |
| 22:04.43 | rafanovas | jelly-home: /dev/sdb1: LABEL="Expansion Drive" UUID="60F4D993F4D96C32" TYPE="ntfs" |
| 22:05.09 | jelly-home | rafanovas: sounds like the filesystem is detected |
| 22:05.31 | catsup | rafanovas: try mount -t ntfs-3g |
| 22:05.44 | catsup | rafanovas: you might need to install package 'ntfs-3g' |
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| 22:06.14 | jelly-home | ,versions ntfs-3g |
| 22:06.17 | judd | Package ntfs-3g on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.2531-1.1; squeeze: 1:2010.3.6-1; sid: 1:2011.1.15-0.1; wheezy: 1:2011.1.15-0.1 |
| 22:06.27 | rafanovas | catsup: it's already installed |
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| 22:06.40 | rafanovas | catsup: and no success with the mounting |
| 22:06.44 | catsup | what's it say? |
| 22:06.47 | thewanderer1 | does the mdadm metadata store the number of devices within? |
| 22:06.55 | rafanovas | catsup, sorry, what? |
| 22:06.56 | catsup | thewanderer1: yeah |
| 22:07.00 | thewanderer1 | cool :) |
| 22:07.04 | catsup | when you try 'mount -t ntfs-3g' |
| 22:07.09 | rafanovas | nothing |
| 22:07.14 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: number of devices, yes. Their size, just 1.x |
| 22:07.16 | rafanovas | as root? |
| 22:07.20 | catsup | of course |
| 22:07.27 | catsup | um |
| 22:07.32 | rafanovas | it says nothing |
| 22:07.39 | catsup | the full command line would be like: sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /mnt |
| 22:07.49 | jil | jelly-home catsup & jhutchins_lt thx. I had tryed parted but not gpart..I've justed intalled it. |
| 22:08.02 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: I was wondering if trusting mdadm --scan --detail blindly and replacing mdadm.conf with that is a good idea |
| 22:08.07 | jelly-home | jil: I didn't know parted has guessing in it |
| 22:08.24 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: does it look sensible |
| 22:08.30 | rafanovas | catsup: it shows a dialog message: Error mounting, exit code 1, mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error |
| 22:08.41 | thewanderer1 | didn't have num-devices and RAID level, looked strange to me so I rewrote it |
| 22:08.44 | catsup | hmmm |
| 22:08.48 | catsup | what's dmesg say |
| 22:09.02 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: debian's own /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf uses mdadm --examine --scan |
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| 22:09.28 | rafanovas | catsup: http://codepad.org/sXRFbkX0 |
| 22:09.46 | jelly-home | rafanovas: what about "ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /mnt" ? |
| 22:09.46 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: so I run mkconf and should be alright? |
| 22:09.56 | catsup | rafanovas: that's the same one you pasted before! |
| 22:10.14 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: no, it just provides nice, almost correct lines for ARRAYs |
| 22:10.16 | rafanovas | catsup: dmesg says the same everytime |
| 22:10.24 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: on stdout |
| 22:10.27 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: okay :P |
| 22:10.50 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: I don't like its /dev/md/1 instead of /dev/md1 either |
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| 22:11.26 | moalee_beddiebye | anyone here prefer a desktop environment over Gnome? |
| 22:11.29 | rafanovas | LOL, now it automatically mounted |
| 22:11.30 | catsup | rafanovas: and what is the mount output if you use -t ntfs ? |
| 22:11.30 | moalee_beddiebye | like KDE for instance? |
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| 22:12.09 | MrFrood | prefers not to use a DE |
| 22:12.11 | rafanovas | catsup, jelly-home: seems jelly-home 'ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /mnt' worked |
| 22:12.14 | dmi3on_ | any one know how to fix cdrom on esxi running debian guest ? |
| 22:12.30 | rafanovas | it is mounting now |
| 22:12.37 | rafanovas | even automatically |
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| 22:13.22 | jelly-home | inconceivable! |
| 22:14.23 | catsup | issuing that command didn't make it start mounting automatically on connection |
| 22:14.27 | catsup | but w/e |
| 22:14.42 | jelly-home | but cleaning the fs state might have |
| 22:14.48 | rafanovas | yes, that's really weird |
| 22:14.58 | catsup | hmm |
| 22:15.04 | rafanovas | thanks you catsup, jelly-home (: |
| 22:15.06 | jelly-home | I'd chkdsk it from windows |
| 22:15.08 | catsup | mounting with ntfs-3g might clean the state for the regular ntfs driver |
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| 22:15.22 | jelly-home | noone uses the regular driver anyway |
| 22:15.36 | catsup | well if you don't do anything it will default to that won't it? |
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| 22:15.58 | jelly-home | automounters smartly default to ntfs-3g when it's present |
| 22:16.06 | catsup | ah, ok |
| 22:17.09 | thewanderer1 | I had GRUB2 on / now I made a /boot and want to boot from there - how to do that? |
| 22:17.24 | thewanderer1 | (i.e. how to tell GRUB2 that the new root is some other UUID) |
| 22:17.24 | bronaugh | grub-install? |
| 22:17.36 | thewanderer1 | yes but that doesn't change the config file |
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| 22:17.58 | jelly-home | update-grub |
| 22:18.06 | bronaugh | basically I'd copy all of the old /boot onto the new one, mount it in place, modify files as necessary, then run grub-install |
| 22:18.06 | thewanderer1 | and it detects /boot device automagically? |
| 22:18.15 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: it's supposed to yeah |
| 22:18.21 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: ok, thanks |
| 22:18.43 | jelly-home | I supposed you put your new /boot everywhere, including fstab |
| 22:18.48 | thewanderer1 | I did |
| 22:19.05 | thewanderer1 | let's see if GRUB has noticed... |
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| 22:21.19 | thewanderer1 | hey it seems to be working, nice |
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| 22:24.34 | zleslie | I am using reprepro to manage my apt repos, but a couple of the packages are in teh unstable suite, but I would like them to apply for all suites, even though its marked as unstable. using the processincoming mechanism? |
| 22:24.56 | zleslie | It looks like a first match wins, but I would like everything in unstable to get pushed into all distst. |
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| 22:26.05 | enri_bass | se yaaa |
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| 22:26.47 | linux2 | so I just did a fresh install of debian testing with KDE and I'm running into a few problems. The first is that the nvidia module doesn't seem to be working correctly. I can start up the X server, but GLX doesn't work. According to the logs it says: [ 2564.225] (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found). Any ideas? |
| 22:27.09 | jelly-home | linux2: how did you install the nvidia driver? |
| 22:27.09 | zleslie | !nvidia |
| 22:27.09 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:28.24 | jelly-home | ,versions nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 22:28.25 | judd | Package nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; sid/non-free: 260.19.44-1; wheezy/non-free: 260.19.44-1; experimental/non-free: 270.30-1 |
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| 22:28.41 | linux2 | jelly-home, I used module assistant and installed nvidia-glx |
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| 22:28.54 | jelly-home | linux2: did m-a work? |
| 22:29.03 | linux2 | jelly-home, yep, no problems |
| 22:29.47 | jelly-home | linux2: the new way is dkms -- install nvidia-kernel-dkms and it rebuilds if it needs to, magically at boot, or at install time or dpkg-reconfigure time |
| 22:30.07 | bronaugh | ok, -here- is a fun one. |
| 22:30.17 | bronaugh | cp is running. state flips between S and R |
| 22:30.21 | bronaugh | kill -9 will not kill it. |
| 22:30.51 | linux2 | jelly-home, ok. I'll give that a shot. Thanks. Sometimes it's hard to keep up with all the changes. I've been doing m-a for years. |
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| 22:31.25 | linux2 | my second issue is that in kde4 gtk2 applications don't seem to be correctly using the theme I set in the KDE settings. Is there a new package that handles this? |
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| 22:38.51 | jose | hello! |
| 22:39.06 | bronaugh | Zombies? In MY Linux?! |
| 22:39.27 | jose | I have a problem with ntfs partition know debian says is a LVM partition and I can't mount |
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| 22:40.47 | craigevil | linux2, install kde-config-gtk-style |
| 22:41.49 | linux2 | craigevil, did that, still doesn't want to work |
| 22:41.55 | jose | i had ntfs partition and ext4 partition with ubuntu, i have install debian over ubuntu partition, but I can't mount ntfs partition, says is a lvm, but ther are not lvm |
| 22:42.28 | craigevil | linux2, no issues here but im running sid with kde4.6.2 |
| 22:42.51 | zleslie | 4.6!? I've been a way too long |
| 22:43.12 | linux2 | humm.... well another weird issue I have is that iceweasel is missing its forward and back buttons as well. Any ideas on that one? |
| 22:43.25 | linux2 | it's happening on several machines so I assume there is something wrong with the package |
| 22:43.50 | MrFrood | linux2: which version of i/w |
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| 22:44.39 | abrotman | in unstable? |
| 22:44.58 | craigevil | linux2, its a theme issue, there is a thread over at linuxquestions.org about the back/forward buttons |
| 22:45.29 | linux2 | craigevil, humm ok. well it's probably tied into gtk2-qt theming not working |
| 22:45.50 | linux2 | let me logout and log back in. I changed a few settings, and I'll see if the nvidia module wants to work |
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| 22:49.52 | simonlnu | where the heck do you get kde 4.6? not sid, certainly. |
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| 22:52.13 | craigevil | http://qt-kde.debian.net/ |
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| 22:52.43 | linux2 | ok, well no luck here |
| 22:52.55 | linux2 | nvidia module still doesn't work and neither do my gtk2 themes :( |
| 22:53.15 | linux2 | why do I sense to solution is right in front of me but is going to be a pain in the ass to figure out |
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| 22:55.06 | bronaugh | cuts machines over to stable... |
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| 22:55.46 | linux2 | ok, let's try this again |
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| 23:03.44 | linux2 | ok, well no luck here. any other ideas on my nvidia problem. Xorg.log still indicates Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) |
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| 23:04.16 | CloudySunshine | linux2 did you install the kernel driver? |
| 23:04.33 | CloudySunshine | does lsmod and dmesg show your card being initalized |
| 23:04.54 | bronaugh | guessing he's got nvidia libgl but not nvidia driver in Xorg |
| 23:05.14 | linux2 | NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86 Kernel Module 260.19.44 Sun Feb 27 21:30:31 PST 2011 |
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| 23:05.36 | CloudySunshine | how did you install the x.org driver for nvidia? |
| 23:05.41 | bronaugh | linux2: so what does Xorg.conf look like? |
| 23:06.31 | linux2 | CloudySunshine, I used nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 23:06.50 | CloudySunshine | your missing the x.org driver |
| 23:06.55 | CloudySunshine | if that's all you got |
| 23:07.04 | linux2 | CloudySunshine, well I also got nvidia-glx |
| 23:07.09 | CloudySunshine | oh well ok |
| 23:07.10 | duke | anyone here familar with os-prober? it doesn't detect my efi based windows 7 install |
| 23:07.16 | CloudySunshine | so pastebin your xorg.conf |
| 23:07.31 | CloudySunshine | duke: it's trying to do you a favor :p |
| 23:07.37 | linux2 | CloudySunshine, I don't have an xorg.conf file. it's autodetecting everything. worked fine in the past. |
| 23:08.00 | duke | hey i need my games ;) |
| 23:08.45 | linux2 | duke, wish I could help, but I still haven't used Windows 7 |
| 23:09.10 | simonlnu | duke: it should be able to. |
| 23:09.21 | CloudySunshine | linux2, here is an example xorg.conf that should work for you |
| 23:09.23 | CloudySunshine | http://pastebin.com/wuFy7cPg |
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| 23:11.10 | duke | simonlnu: well according to its 20microsoft.sh script it checks for a file called bootmgr on the windows partition |
| 23:11.14 | duke | i don't have that |
| 23:11.28 | CloudySunshine | so touch it |
| 23:11.36 | simonlnu | might need to tweak that |
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| 23:11.44 | duke | it also checks its contents :P |
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| 23:12.08 | CloudySunshine | for what? |
| 23:12.34 | duke | to determine the windows version |
| 23:12.36 | CloudySunshine | Rather the question should be, why isn't windows creating said file |
| 23:12.55 | duke | because its an efi based install |
| 23:12.56 | CloudySunshine | Can you recreate the file from hand? |
| 23:13.04 | duke | no |
| 23:13.19 | bronaugh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/os-prober/+bug/393565 |
| 23:13.27 | bronaugh | this guy's patch is, I think, the only thing that adds a check for version. |
| 23:13.36 | duke | the windows boot manager is in the efi system partition |
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| 23:13.55 | CloudySunshine | Well if the script can parse the file, then you should be able to recreate it enough to meet the conditions of the sh script |
| 23:14.23 | bronaugh | CloudySunshine: duke's kinda right overall, though. |
| 23:14.30 | bronaugh | os-prober should Do The Right Thing (tm) |
| 23:14.31 | linux2 | CloudySunshine, ok, I'll brb. Time to test out that config file |
| 23:14.54 | CloudySunshine | But it can't do anything if the underlying os in question didn't do it's part |
| 23:14.57 | CloudySunshine | that's my point |
| 23:14.58 | duke | grub might need different entries to boot an efi windows too |
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| 23:15.05 | duke | CloudySunshine: the os did its part fine |
| 23:15.12 | duke | windows works fine |
| 23:15.19 | CloudySunshine | but the bootmgr file doesn't exist |
| 23:15.28 | CloudySunshine | so it didn't do it like your startup script expects |
| 23:15.31 | duke | CloudySunshine: no, because its an efi based install.. |
| 23:15.33 | duke | like i said |
| 23:15.47 | CloudySunshine | your trying to detect on install right? |
| 23:16.31 | duke | i want it detected and spit out the right grub entries to boot it |
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| 23:16.52 | CloudySunshine | The installer or an update-grub script is my question |
| 23:17.03 | duke | grub-mkconfig actually |
| 23:17.16 | CloudySunshine | are you using grub 1 or grub 2? |
| 23:17.22 | duke | grub2 |
| 23:17.57 | CloudySunshine | Isn't there a place to create a manual entry for grub that the update / make grub scripts with your custom entry in it? |
| 23:18.05 | duke | sure |
| 23:18.09 | duke | thats not the point though |
| 23:18.13 | CloudySunshine | So why not just do that and call it a day? |
| 23:18.28 | duke | because i thought there might be a way to do it automatically |
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| 23:18.43 | CloudySunshine | yea it's called the magic wand of vi with the fingers spell |
| 23:18.44 | linux2 | CloudySunshine, yay! it works |
| 23:18.50 | CloudySunshine | your welcome |
| 23:18.55 | linux2 | CloudySunshine, well at least one of the two displays does |
| 23:19.02 | CloudySunshine | That should work for doing CUDA too if you move to the dev driver |
| 23:19.05 | duke | also i don't know the right entries for grub too boot an efi based windows |
| 23:19.19 | CloudySunshine | linux2 install the nvidia-xconfig stuff |
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| 23:19.48 | CloudySunshine | nvidia-settings i mean |
| 23:20.14 | linux2 | CloudySunshine, yeah. Doesn't seem to see my other display. I think my KVM is causing the problems |
| 23:20.41 | CloudySunshine | linux2 it's your config, look in nvidia-settings and set it up correctly |
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| 23:21.38 | CloudySunshine | linux2, go into nvidia-settings, goto X Server Display Configuration, Click on configure. |
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| 23:22.51 | linux2 | CloudySunshine, seems to only see one display |
| 23:23.03 | linux2 | CloudySunshine, usually I see both there, but only one for whatever reason |
| 23:23.20 | CloudySunshine | Did you have them both plugged in when you booted? |
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| 23:23.49 | gnarface | CloudySunshine: shouldn't matter for nvidia hardware |
| 23:23.59 | CloudySunshine | gnarface, i didn't think so but it was worth a shot |
| 23:24.01 | gnarface | not anything more recent than 1996 at least |
| 23:24.17 | gnarface | linux2: check your cables. they get lose sometimes |
| 23:24.20 | gnarface | loose |
| 23:24.43 | gnarface | sorry i just came into this conversation but i've run quite a few nvidia cards on dual monitors |
| 23:24.59 | gnarface | linux2: is this perhaps a xinerama vs twinview configuration conflict? |
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| 23:25.16 | CloudySunshine | I do to and I can't remember having a problem with Dual screens in a very long time though.... |
| 23:25.35 | gnarface | well from whence did his xorg.conf come from? |
| 23:25.38 | CloudySunshine | you might also check your user you started nvidia-settings with |
| 23:25.42 | CloudySunshine | gnarface, my desktop |
| 23:26.07 | gnarface | CloudySunshine: you have a dual monitor twinview configration you sent him? |
| 23:26.07 | linux2 | gnarface, yeah. I don't think it detected it correctly on boot |
| 23:26.10 | CloudySunshine | Debian squeeze, amd64, nvidia dev drivers ( for CUDA ) |
| 23:26.15 | linux2 | I'll have to reboot and then it will probably show up |
| 23:26.16 | CloudySunshine | gnarface, no i don't, but he does |
| 23:27.30 | linux2 | well now that it is working to some extent I just need to get the GTK themes to work with kde4 |
| 23:27.32 | CloudySunshine | gnarface, I gave him a basic xorg.conf file because he was trying to rely on total auto detect. Even mine is as generic as it gets |
| 23:27.56 | gnarface | here i'll pastebin mine with a manually tweaked twinview configuration |
| 23:28.04 | gnarface | http://pastebin.com/39Zf8aDL |
| 23:28.16 | gnarface | linux2: ^^^ take a look at mine |
| 23:28.24 | gnarface | autodetect is for shit |
| 23:28.35 | gnarface | but that's for the linux binary driver current version btw |
| 23:29.01 | CloudySunshine | hehe |
| 23:29.14 | CloudySunshine | I used to have 5 20E20's gnarface in a CAD workstation |
| 23:29.17 | linux2 | does anyone have a null modem by change :P I can't find mine and I oddly need it. |
| 23:29.21 | linux2 | chance* |
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| 23:29.31 | CloudySunshine | just make one from telephone wire |
| 23:29.42 | CloudySunshine | It's 3 wires basically |
| 23:29.43 | Agiofws | hi |
| 23:29.52 | Agiofws | how do you uncompress this ? |
| 23:29.55 | Agiofws | amd64.tar.xz ? > |
| 23:29.57 | Agiofws | ? |
| 23:30.04 | gnarface | linux2: dialing in the proper refresh rates for each monitor is key under twinview , but they deviate from the standard syntax, the README.txt that comes with the glx package from nvidia is highly informative though and you can use mine as a refrence |
| 23:30.05 | CloudySunshine | tar zxvf amd64.tar.xz |
| 23:30.08 | bronaugh | probably a utility called 'xz' |
| 23:30.16 | CloudySunshine | it's probally a typo for gz |
| 23:30.19 | linux2 | CloudySunshine, oh really. Yeah I'm trying to use minicom to read the serial output from my RS6000 ibm server |
| 23:30.40 | bronaugh | xz-utils - XZ-format compression utilities |
| 23:30.42 | CloudySunshine | linux it's three wires, i've done it to many an rs/6k and sun box in a pinch |
| 23:30.45 | linux2 | gnarface, ok cool. should be pretty easy to get setup. I've done it in the past, but usually the nvidia tool sees both. |
| 23:30.45 | Agiofws | gzip: stdin: not in gzip format |
| 23:30.46 | Agiofws | tar: Child returned status 1 |
| 23:30.47 | Agiofws | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 23:30.57 | bronaugh | Agiofws: yeah, you want xz-utils |
| 23:30.57 | CloudySunshine | bronaugh, oh i stand correctly |
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| 23:31.02 | CloudySunshine | corrected |
| 23:31.13 | gnarface | CloudySunshine: hehe you like that huh? i had two of them but my x-roommate took one. i think i have 2 indy boxes that still boot too |
| 23:31.28 | CloudySunshine | i used to have an indy |
| 23:31.29 | bronaugh | Agiofws: tar x3vf amd64.tar.xz |
| 23:31.32 | CloudySunshine | and an indigo |
| 23:31.34 | bronaugh | think that's right. |
| 23:31.34 | CloudySunshine | indigo2] |
| 23:31.42 | bronaugh | oh sorry. |
| 23:31.47 | bronaugh | Agiofws: tar xJvf amd64.tar.xz |
| 23:31.59 | CloudySunshine | i have two hp9000's if anyone is interested |
| 23:32.08 | gnarface | wait is it a .xz or is that a typo for .gz? |
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| 23:32.20 | CloudySunshine | J series dual 600 and dual 650 i'm trying to find a good home for |
| 23:32.33 | bronaugh | CloudySunshine: no thanks, already played with pa-risc |
| 23:32.49 | CloudySunshine | I can't handle the 11A draw a piece |
| 23:33.03 | CloudySunshine | Great machines, just completely useless by today's standards |
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| 23:35.02 | gnarface | a shame really |
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| 23:35.33 | gnarface | i always wonder what old stuff like that would be capable of doing with the same core design but modern manufacturing sub-40nm processes |
| 23:35.48 | CloudySunshine | yea when i saw them going to the scrap yard I couldn't let 'em do that and bought 'em |
| 23:35.54 | CloudySunshine | now there table ends |
| 23:36.01 | CloudySunshine | I guess that's recycling for ya :p |
| 23:36.28 | gnarface | what i wouldn't give for a 3ghz commodore 64 that otherwise had complete hardware compatibility with the old software |
| 23:36.47 | gnarface | and a SATA bus |
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| 23:38.39 | oultaw | Having some problems installing squeeze, I believe the first step would be to check the integrity of the .iso however I can seem to find a md5sum checksum for the file? |
| 23:39.08 | gnarface | oultaw: what's the actual problem? |
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| 23:39.14 | oultaw | sorry: I can't seem to find |
| 23:39.21 | abrotman | oultaw: should be on the site you downloaded it from .. what is the filename you have? |
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| 23:40.51 | linux2 | I really wonder where my big box of null modems went.. huh, I swore I wouldn't throw them away, but I must have. |
| 23:41.03 | CloudySunshine | gnarface, how about a 24 core 5 ghz 128 bit Alpha..... |
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| 23:41.30 | CloudySunshine | linux2, http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.hamradio.cc/images/rs232_null_modem_pinout_no_handshaking.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.hamradio.cc/computer/RS232_serial_communications.php&h=115&w=350&sz=2&tbnid=GNpd2LRZFTDlaM:&tbnh=39&tbnw=120&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dnull%2Bmodem%2Bpinout%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=null+modem+pinout&usg=__teQAFYfyMAsRFY2zWw0nBYNLv2U=&sa=X&ei=nqm4TfXZL4qasAPeu4HqBw&ved=0CEIQ9QEwAQ |
| 23:41.40 | gnarface | CloudySunshine: haha oh that would be fun |
| 23:41.55 | CloudySunshine | with numa link? |
| 23:42.07 | CloudySunshine | or whatever that sgi memory diasy chain thing was |
| 23:42.10 | oultaw | abrotman: file name ... debian-6.0.1a-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 23:42.35 | CloudySunshine | linux2, http://tinyurl.com/6yjwdhz |
| 23:42.57 | abrotman | oultaw: http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS |
| 23:43.29 | linux2 | CloudySunshine, might be a bit off topic, but you said you had some RS6000 experience? I'm trying to recover the root password on it (it runs AIX). I don't have the install disks, but it does seem to book linux install disks (of course outputting to the serial port). Any good ideas for getting access back into the machine? |
| 23:43.30 | gnarface | CloudySunshine: they have NUMA on x86 now too don't they? i'd love to actually have a chance to install sid on something that actually has it and can make good use of it. imagine the quake server you could host! :-P |
| 23:43.50 | CloudySunshine | hehe |
| 23:44.13 | CloudySunshine | linux2, I have experience with almost every risc arch from 80's and 90's |
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| 23:44.45 | gnarface | anyone here use blender? |
| 23:45.07 | gnarface | i'm curious about the interface redesign's popularity amongst hardcore users or users who were already competent with the old interface |
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| 23:45.32 | gnarface | i noticed sid just got 2.57x |
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| 23:48.01 | oultaw | gnarface: install is complaining about corrupted files from the respository first nano no big deal but then the installer can't seem to fetch some drivers |
| 23:48.45 | gnarface | oultaw: that suggests to me a problem to do with the repository, not your netinst disk. which repository are you using? |
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| 23:53.42 | oultaw | that is a very good question gnarface, for which I don't have a answer. However I selected Canada as location during the install and perhaps the repository selected based upon that choice is corrupt |
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| 23:55.22 | gnarface | oultaw: perhaps. maybe try starting the install in expert mode so that you can type in your own repository url? |
| 23:55.33 | oultaw | I will start by checking the integrity of my download and if it's valid I will select USA as a location for my next install and see what happens |
| 23:56.10 | oultaw | smiles not sure I ready for a expert install just yet gnarface ... |
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| 23:58.30 | gnarface | abrotman: where did they move http://mirror.debian.org/status.html to again? |
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| 23:59.00 | abrotman | http://ftp.de.debian.org/dmc/today/ ... that one |
| 23:59.01 | abrotman | ? |
| 23:59.03 | gnarface | oultaw: somewhere out there (i think theoretically there should be a copy on each repository) is a status list of the current state of every mirror that is registered. while updates are being pushed they are not always viable |
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| 23:59.13 | gnarface | abrotman: yea that's the one |
| 23:59.16 | Eremiell | oultaw: you can actually enter through the whole of expert mode just as you can in normal mode, there are just more options |
| 23:59.37 | gnarface | abrotman: how come its only on ftp.de.debian.org now? |
