| 00:00.10 | gnarface | oultaw: http://ftp.de.debian.org/dmc/today/ check here for good mirrors |
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| 00:00.13 | C-boys | can anyone maybe help me? I have squirrelmail installed but for some reason when i go to domain.com/webmail it doesnt have this page anymore.. maybe some settings is wrong |
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| 00:00.38 | oultaw | thank you for assistance folks |
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| 00:01.21 | sirtophat | on my text sessions [ctrl-alt F1 F2 etc.] the text only goes halfway down the screen |
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| 00:03.35 | abrotman | gnarface: that's just the link .. heck if i know |
| 00:05.13 | gnarface | sirtophat: just guessing here... resolution/refresh issue with your framebuffer not being quite spot-on for your CRT monitor? |
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| 00:12.28 | _linuxftw | I've used debootstrap to install squeeze onto a new drive, but it's missing a kernel/initrd, where's the correct place to download them from? |
| 00:13.06 | simonlnu | the repos |
| 00:13.26 | simonlnu | debootstrap never installs a kernel |
| 00:13.29 | gnarface | _linuxftw: since a chroot doesn't need its own kernel, it doesn't install one by default in there... but if you just apt-get install the kernel package you shoudl get it... as for the initrd there's some tool that is usually auto-run .... mkinitrd? update-initrd.img or something? |
| 00:13.40 | gnarface | anyone remember? |
| 00:13.58 | gnarface | in normal non-chrooted installs its run automatically |
| 00:13.59 | simonlnu | update-initramfs |
| 00:14.04 | gnarface | that's the one |
| 00:14.10 | _linuxftw | thanks, i'll try that now |
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| 00:23.14 | sirtophat | gnarface, it's a laptop, and it was fine a while ago |
| 00:23.22 | sirtophat | it's perfect on the GUI tab |
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| 00:24.43 | gnarface | sirtophat: so we're clear here, you mean by text session the virtual console, *outside* of X11, right? |
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| 00:25.07 | sirtophat | ctrl-alt-F1 and F2 |
| 00:25.13 | sirtophat | that's outside of X11 right |
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| 00:25.55 | gnarface | sirtophat: yes, that's correct. you said this was a squeeze install? |
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| 00:26.34 | _linuxftw | gnarface, I installed the kernel package in the chroot, got a few warnings saying can't open /etc/mtab: No such file or directory", are they going to be a problem? |
| 00:26.34 | sirtophat | I think it is |
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| 00:27.02 | sirtophat | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 00:27.49 | dvs | sirtophat: nomodeset? |
| 00:28.22 | gnarface | _linuxftw: i think mtab is autogenerated at mount time. as long as your fstab is accurate for whatever machine you're plugging this drive into after install you should be fine i think |
| 00:28.30 | sirtophat | never heard of it |
| 00:28.42 | _linuxftw | Ok good, I was just about to create fstab anyway |
| 00:28.46 | dvs | It's a kernel option |
| 00:28.47 | sirtophat | apparently it's a NVidia thing, this laptop has an Intel chipset |
| 00:29.01 | sirtophat | would I have to recompile the kernel |
| 00:29.06 | dvs | no |
| 00:29.18 | dvs | just change GRUB |
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| 00:31.47 | gnarface | dvs: are you saying that sirtophat should change his grub config to pass the appropriate resolution to the framebuffer console the virtual terminals use on this laptop? |
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| 00:32.03 | sirtophat | I just did it, seeing if it worked |
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| 00:32.35 | simonlnu | why wouldn't it? people have been doing it for years on non-x86. |
| 00:32.44 | sirtophat | that fixed it |
| 00:32.48 | dvs | gnarface: He's having trouble with his console sessions. Only half the screen is filled with tesxt? |
| 00:32.50 | simonlnu | (can you say blinders?) |
| 00:33.01 | dvs | *text |
| 00:33.02 | sirtophat | only the top two thirds about |
| 00:33.08 | gnarface | sirtophat: oh i see. .he's telling you to tell it not to set a mode at all. fyi if you know the available modes you should be able to set something higher-res that is prettier and fills the whole screen and doesn't waste space with giant text |
| 00:33.35 | sirtophat | it was low-res like that during the first boot stages but now it's the right res |
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| 00:34.30 | simonlnu | it usually sets itself up ok. you can force it with video= |
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| 00:35.00 | moalee_beddiebye | which would you say is the most popular distribution of mail servers in existence today, as in which maildaemon is most used, common, in a server environment, sendmail, qmail, postfix? |
| 00:35.01 | moalee_beddiebye | any ideas |
| 00:35.04 | dvs | that'll work too if you don't like the default |
| 00:35.15 | sirtophat | it's perfect now |
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| 00:35.44 | simonlnu | moalee_beddiebye: exim4 and postfix are the most common |
| 00:36.06 | simonlnu | qmail a (distant ?) third |
| 00:37.03 | fenugreek | moalee_beddiebye: doesn't Debian have a default choice? It's probably that |
| 00:37.25 | dvs | exim4 is the default |
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| 00:39.13 | fenugreek | ha, client _faxed_ in a hand written list of requests |
| 00:39.23 | bronaugh | yay |
| 00:39.29 | fenugreek | but our faxes are emailed to us now, because it's the 21st century |
| 00:39.31 | bronaugh | fax something back. |
| 00:39.35 | fenugreek | forces of evil: 0; us: 1; |
| 00:39.37 | bronaugh | "the 80s called; they want their fax machine back" |
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| 00:40.15 | fenugreek | one time a client printed out their website, drew and made notes on all the pages and faxed it to us |
| 00:40.16 | bronaugh | nice re fax2email gateway. |
| 00:40.36 | fenugreek | which was progress, as this client used to just print out their website, draw and make notes on all the pages and POST it to us |
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| 00:40.53 | bronaugh | fenugreek: hahahha |
| 00:41.21 | fenugreek | have also received custom laser printed DVDs with a single 30MB PDF on it in the mail |
| 00:42.15 | bronaugh | "but it wouldn't email!" |
| 00:42.21 | bronaugh | dude; seen most of this already. |
| 00:42.25 | bronaugh | sad to say.... |
| 00:42.37 | bronaugh | my favourites come when people try and use technology. |
| 00:42.42 | bronaugh | like, "send me a screenshot" |
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| 00:43.02 | bronaugh | so someone embeds a screenshot in a word doc then uses Expunge to email it; which puts it in some godforsaken winmail.dat file. |
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| 00:44.37 | chomwitt | is there a package for c++ ncurses like programming? |
| 00:44.58 | bronaugh | there's C++ bindings for ncurses? |
| 00:45.05 | bronaugh | you could use them? |
| 00:45.07 | shaggins | technology ignoramuses provide me a job so I can't complain |
| 00:45.31 | dvs | libcurses-dev? |
| 00:45.39 | chomwitt | bronaugh: i so that mention but there is no man pages or docs whatever... (mystery) |
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| 00:46.14 | dvs | sends his pointy-haired boss to shaggins |
| 00:47.21 | shaggins | challenge accepted |
| 00:47.40 | bronaugh | http://ndk-xx.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 00:47.49 | fenugreek | shaggins: I'm talented like that =P |
| 00:47.53 | bronaugh | dvs: you work for teksavvy? |
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| 00:48.34 | dvs | bronaugh: I wish |
| 00:48.54 | tuvwx | i'm seeing this problem: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25732 - is 2.6.32 my only solution? |
| 00:49.37 | bronaugh | just a customer then; ok. |
| 00:49.47 | abrotman | tuvwx: what's your current kernel ? |
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| 00:50.16 | bronaugh | dkms hell? |
| 00:50.23 | fenugreek | tuvwx: I usually prefer using newerER versions to avoid problems rather than sticking with old versions |
| 00:50.25 | chomwitt | bronaugh: thanks!! i only with that since ndk++ is not in debian , it's api covers ncurses c++ wrapping |
| 00:50.35 | chomwitt | bronaugh: with-> wish |
| 00:50.59 | bronaugh | chomwitt: nfi since I haven't used it. |
| 00:51.57 | tuvwx | abrotman: i have both 2.6.32 and 2.6.38 installed. 32 runs fine. 38 turns my hdmi-connected screen green even before getting to X. i have both hdmi and vga monitors connected. the vga monitor is fine |
| 00:52.04 | gnarface | ,versions mysql-workbench-gpl |
| 00:52.06 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'mysql-workbench-gpl' was found in i386. |
| 00:52.10 | gnarface | ,versions mysql-workbench |
| 00:52.10 | bronaugh | tuvwx: sounds like you should just hack it yourself; seriously. |
| 00:52.11 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'mysql-workbench' was found in i386. |
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| 00:52.41 | chomwitt | bronaugh: ok , thanks for the links though |
| 00:52.55 | bronaugh | tuvwx: worst case with most of this stuff is that you have a kernel panic; so just make sure you have a kernel that works to fall back on. |
| 00:53.35 | fenugreek | tuvwx: you could always manually patch and build a kernel |
| 00:53.44 | fenugreek | you'll end up doing it at some point, anyways |
| 00:53.45 | tuvwx | bronaugh: no panics here, thankfully. just a greenish everything |
| 00:53.54 | fenugreek | things will start to bother you and you'll start hacking everything =P |
| 00:54.07 | tuvwx | fenugreek: patch it with what? i can't tell where the problem is yet |
| 00:54.24 | bronaugh | tuvwx: the bisect narrows it down to one mother of a patch. |
| 00:54.45 | bronaugh | tuvwx: the patch I am seeing changes a hell of a lot of code. |
| 00:55.21 | tuvwx | fenugreek: actually, i prefer to use debian stock kernels |
| 00:55.22 | fenugreek | bronaugh: in a lot of files, or...? |
| 00:55.31 | bronaugh | fenugreek: just one file, deep changes. |
| 00:55.34 | bronaugh | https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/207322/ |
| 00:55.35 | fenugreek | tuvwx: makes things simpler, but... |
| 00:55.46 | fenugreek | bronaugh: think I'd just revert it, then |
| 00:56.01 | fenugreek | lots of changes to one file is simpler than even small changes to many =) |
| 00:56.17 | fenugreek | less potentially problematic, I'd say |
| 00:56.18 | tuvwx | bronaugh: the submitter's name is an art canvas |
| 00:56.34 | fenugreek | bronaugh: oh that's not too big =) |
| 00:56.41 | fenugreek | I thought it was going to be reaaaalll big |
| 00:56.54 | tuvwx | fenugreek: so you can fix it then? |
| 00:57.02 | bronaugh | correction; 4 files. |
| 00:57.16 | bronaugh | not horrible but certainly not pleasant, and changes things structurally. |
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| 00:57.23 | bronaugh | which probably means patches following this depend on it. |
| 00:57.26 | fenugreek | tuvwx: I only skimmed the report, but it looked like you have all the information you need to revert the change and rebuild a kernel |
| 00:58.05 | fenugreek | I'd rather patch a kernel than remain on an old version |
| 00:58.21 | fenugreek | you should only have to keep it maintained until they close the bug and release a fixed version |
| 00:58.29 | bronaugh | ok. reading here, I'd bet on a few specific lines. |
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| 00:58.39 | bronaugh | + sdvox |= SDVO_NULL_PACKETS_DURING_VSYNC; |
| 00:58.52 | bronaugh | considering that appears to be in the mode setting function. |
| 00:59.00 | bronaugh | + intel_hdmi_set_avi_infoframe(encoder); |
| 00:59.04 | bronaugh | this also might be exciting. |
| 00:59.10 | fenugreek | bronaugh: fixing the bug entirely would be cheating! =P |
| 00:59.55 | bronaugh | fenugreek: heh. |
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| 01:03.45 | tuvwx | nah.. using the old kerenl is easier, and more guaranteed to work |
| 01:04.27 | fenugreek | more guaranteed to have security issues =P |
| 01:04.34 | fenugreek | they'll probably fix the bug soon, though |
| 01:04.39 | bronaugh | http://www.x.org/docs/intel/VOL_3_display_registers.pdf |
| 01:04.42 | bronaugh | there's the docs on the registers. |
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| 01:05.55 | fenugreek | yay PDF |
| 01:06.03 | fenugreek | why even have a www... |
| 01:06.09 | fenugreek | why not just a big FTP full of PDF |
| 01:06.18 | fenugreek | love those Adobe binaries |
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| 01:06.56 | bronaugh | heh. |
| 01:07.03 | bronaugh | I haven't used anything from Adobe to view PDFs in years. |
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| 01:09.21 | tuvwx | just found out that 'Warning: xcompmgr is a proof of concept application and is not meant for daily use. It is known to have memory leak issues' |
| 01:09.23 | fenugreek | still theirs :/ |
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| 01:09.33 | fenugreek | I was pretty happy to find evince builds for Windows, though |
| 01:09.41 | fenugreek | for when I'm stuck in the Windows |
| 01:09.55 | bronaugh | nice. |
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| 01:10.30 | fenugreek | for the color inversion feature alone |
| 01:10.41 | fenugreek | can't seem to get xcalib to work on this Windows |
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| 01:11.16 | fenugreek | the popular way to invert Windows is to run the magnifier app (which has an invert option) and resize it so it appears as if it's the ordinary screen =P |
| 01:15.25 | bronaugh | ok, so AVI stands for Auxilliary Video Information. |
| 01:15.34 | bronaugh | www.hdmi.org/pdf/HDMISpecInformationalVersion.pdf - Similar |
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| 01:17.44 | bronaugh | tuvwx, fenugreek: ok, found something that's possibly wrong. |
| 01:18.02 | C-boys | does anyone know how i can test if my smtp server works? |
| 01:18.07 | C-boys | i know it listens on 25 |
| 01:18.13 | C-boys | but i want to test what the correct pass is |
| 01:18.43 | kgoetz | C-boys: set your mail client to use it? |
| 01:19.19 | C-boys | kgoetz: yes but somethings goes wrong |
| 01:19.50 | bronaugh | tuvwx, fenugreek: he has both an ECC byte and a checksum byte. the standard quite clearly calls for only one of those. |
| 01:19.58 | bronaugh | tuvwx, fenugreek: so I think the whole structure is off by a byte. |
| 01:20.10 | simonlnu | C-boys: tail your log |
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| 01:20.39 | fenugreek | bronaugh: you finder outer hacker ninja you |
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| 01:21.03 | fenugreek | hacker ninja pirate |
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| 01:21.33 | dvs | hacker ninja pirate turtle? |
| 01:22.06 | simonlnu | nah, ninja pirate turtles |
| 01:22.38 | bronaugh | fenugreek: could still be wrong. the specs for this stuff suck ass. |
| 01:23.12 | fenugreek | dvs: a little too raph |
| 01:23.28 | fenugreek | bronaugh: course they do, authored by people who like PDF |
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| 01:23.34 | dvs | prefers leo |
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| 01:25.19 | bronaugh | man, this is just lovely. |
| 01:25.26 | bronaugh | HDMI goons take a standard, fuck it up, call it their own. |
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| 01:25.49 | bronaugh | but yeah. I'm about certain that the additional ECC going on there is bogus. |
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| 01:27.12 | bronaugh | ugh. and then Intel makes it all spehshul. |
| 01:28.29 | bronaugh | so according to the Intel spec doc, the implementation should be correct. |
| 01:28.35 | bronaugh | "correct" as in "not totally screwed" |
| 01:28.50 | bronaugh | but I still don't get how the random bytes are being filled in; it's possible they simply aren't. |
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| 01:29.40 | bronaugh | yeah they aren't. |
| 01:29.42 | bronaugh | can't do that. |
| 01:30.02 | bronaugh | I'd just disable the sending out of the stupid AVI infoframes. |
| 01:30.05 | bronaugh | see if HDMI loses sync. |
| 01:30.09 | bronaugh | I bet it won't. |
| 01:30.22 | gh0st | I want to download debian 64 bit intel, which link do I use? ia64? |
| 01:30.31 | dvs | amd64 |
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| 01:30.40 | gh0st | what's ia64? |
| 01:30.47 | dvs | Itanium |
| 01:31.33 | tuvwx | transset no more in debian.. alternatives? |
| 01:31.45 | kgoetz | tuvwx: what does it do? |
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| 01:33.06 | bronaugh | tuvwx: so yeah, in the mode setting function, I'd just comment out the two lines that the dude added. |
| 01:33.09 | bronaugh | tuvwx: bet it'll work. |
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| 01:49.05 | tuvwx | kgoetz: set transparency for a compositing manager (xcompmgr) |
| 01:49.35 | kgoetz | tuvwx: i assume you've run apt-cache search transset |
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| 01:51.25 | tuvwx | kgoetz: correct |
| 01:51.31 | tuvwx | kgoetz: apt-file, too |
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| 01:52.24 | tuvwx | kgoetz: i even looked for an xcompmgr alternative, found cairo-compmgr, which is not available on debian, nor does it build from source on testing |
| 01:52.32 | kgoetz | tuvwx: are you on stable or testing? |
| 01:52.39 | tuvwx | testing |
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| 01:53.01 | kgoetz | i see. |
| 01:53.08 | kgoetz | judd: versions transset-df |
| 01:53.09 | judd | Package transset-df on i386 -- squeeze: 6-1 |
| 01:53.31 | tuvwx | just removed from testing |
| 01:53.35 | kgoetz | tuvwx: perhaps its been rolled into something else. if its been removed from debian there should be a bug about it |
| 01:53.41 | kgoetz | where you can check the reason |
| 01:54.08 | tuvwx | kgoetz: apt-file search transset doesn't return anything, so it's not available anywhere atm |
| 01:54.50 | tuvwx | hmm.. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=623247 |
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| 01:55.23 | ggggregor | hiho, is there some logfile which tells me when I last logged off? (or turned off my computer?) |
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| 01:55.56 | linux2 | anyone have issues with pulseaudio and clipping? It sounds like my PCM volume is at max when using pulseaudio (which causes cliping with my soundcard). Anyway to adjust it or should I switch back to alsa? |
| 01:56.01 | kgoetz | ggggregor: try 'last' |
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| 01:56.58 | gnarface | linux2: pulseaudio has a history of violence. i'd recommend switching back to alsa but its not always easy to get it to behave with the default configuration... |
| 01:57.43 | linux2 | gnarface, ok thanks. Yeah it apt auto updated me to pulseaudio and I can't say I like it |
| 01:57.49 | ggggregor | thankks kgoetz. seems exactly what I'm looking for. |
| 01:57.50 | gnarface | linux2: also its recommended to remove pulseaudio completely because it tends to also still cause problems in conjunction with alsa |
| 01:57.52 | linux2 | I miss all my mixer options I had in alsa |
| 01:57.59 | fenugreek | yes, Mario Bello sleeps with pulseaudio |
| 01:58.25 | fenugreek | well pulseaudio requires ALSA |
| 01:58.48 | fenugreek | it definitely has its pros, but it can be a pain to configure |
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| 02:00.03 | gnarface | the biggest problem i ever had from alsa stemmed from the fact that its nearly impossible to configure in a satisfactory manner without understanding the hardware mixing capabilities (or lack thereof) of your existing audio hardware(s) |
| 02:00.27 | linux2 | gnarface, well I've been using the same audio card since 2001 |
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| 02:00.42 | linux2 | gnarface, I just switch the card out with each computer I buy |
| 02:00.52 | fenugreek | gnarface: and that was more of a problem in the past, even |
| 02:01.06 | gnarface | once i understood how my onboard crystal audio thingy was fundamentally different from my old soundblaster live! card and experimented a bit with alsa subdevicing naming and the dmix/dsnoop plugins it became fairly easy to get working |
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| 02:01.48 | gnarface | now i can do 6-channel output while recording, without stuttering or digital clipping |
| 02:02.33 | gnarface | but the official documentation that lead me to this capability was not in itself complete enough. it required some forum reading and some experimentation and a tiny bit of luck |
| 02:03.15 | fenugreek | I'd probably use JACK if I were doing fancy audio stuff |
| 02:03.32 | fenugreek | haven't found an excuse to yet |
| 02:03.37 | fenugreek | maybe if I ever get that fancy laptop |
| 02:03.39 | gnarface | but yea now that the 'default' alsa device dmixes by default that's often all you need to know, as long as you're not recording at the same time with a card that doesn't have physical audio multiplexing capabilities in hardware (the live! cards DO though) |
| 02:04.33 | gnarface | i no longer need a custom ~/.asoundrc.conf or whatever, i just need to know for each application what to set to 'default' what to set to 'hw' and what to set to 'plug:dsnoop' or 'plug:dmix' |
| 02:05.03 | gnarface | tends to be different by application and it tends to change depending on which applications you want to run in conjunction |
| 02:05.11 | fenugreek | what does dsnoop do? |
| 02:05.30 | gnarface | its basically just like dmix but for record channels instead of playback channels |
| 02:05.42 | fenugreek | oh, good to know |
| 02:05.49 | fenugreek | I wonder what its etymology is =P |
| 02:05.53 | fenugreek | dmix I understand |
| 02:06.05 | fenugreek | shouldn't dsnoop be called drmix or something? |
| 02:06.42 | gnarface | i don't know myself in much detail, but probably. for all my purposes the combination of those two and the occasional hard set to 'hw:0,0' superseded any needs i had for jack |
| 02:07.19 | gnarface | but all i'm doing is playing multiplayer games with voice chat while playing mp3's in the background with a separate program. nothing fancy |
| 02:08.36 | gnarface | with a sb live! type card (or anything that does physical hardware mixing for simultaneous record+playback) just setting all the record and playback channels to the appropriate 'hw' subdevice is as sufficient as using 'default', typically |
| 02:09.22 | gnarface | it only gets hairy with all these new cheap onboard surround sound snd_hda_intel based cards |
| 02:09.59 | gnarface | that are becoming quite ubiquitous and unfortunately do NOT actually support real hardware mixing (though the windows drivers fake it well enough you could be easily misled into thinking they do) |
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| 02:10.30 | fenugreek | they do okay |
| 02:10.44 | fenugreek | but you'd think they'd have compensated for the low volume output by now |
| 02:11.20 | gnarface | eh, i use an externally amped set of logitech 5.1 speakers |
| 02:11.45 | gnarface | makes up the difference easily if i set main and pcm output channels to max |
| 02:11.57 | gnarface | (in alsamixer) |
| 02:12.05 | gnarface | and the other channels actually |
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| 02:12.25 | gnarface | "Front" "Surround" "Center" and "LFE" |
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| 02:13.33 | gnarface | going through a mixer panel that has 31 freaking channels that are all completely undocumented because they're auto-generated based on the topology of the audio card is a bit hairy the first couple times |
| 02:13.34 | fenugreek | yeah I use my stereo speakers when I can |
| 02:13.46 | fenugreek | but I don't have a pre/amp for my headphones |
| 02:13.49 | fenugreek | should get one |
| 02:13.57 | fenugreek | or just use my fancy headphones more |
| 02:14.05 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic |
| 02:14.11 | gnarface | my sony dj headphones are pretty loud on their own |
| 02:14.12 | fenugreek | abrotman: =) |
| 02:14.18 | gnarface | sorry abrotman |
| 02:14.21 | gnarface | i'll stop talking hardware |
| 02:14.23 | mentor | ARRGGHH |
| 02:14.27 | gnarface | i get carried away |
| 02:14.32 | mentor | repeatedly stabs roundcube |
| 02:14.45 | dvs | mentor: Lucy took away the football again? |
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| 02:15.05 | abrotman | mentor: i've had good success with it, but i use upstream |
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| 02:15.47 | mentor | I think the problem might be that the installer isn't provided |
| 02:16.47 | FoxM | hi! I am trying to install plymouth guided by http://wiki.debian.org/plymouth but there are no instructions for setting the drm with ati cards, only intel and nvidia(noveau). Do I need to configure the /etc/initramfs-tools/modules for my ati card? |
| 02:17.40 | abrotman | really didn't have problems with roundcube, but i guess it's been awhile |
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| 02:18.44 | fenugreek | whoa, sextuple licensed? |
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| 02:23.34 | un214 | I do not recommend plymouth |
| 02:23.52 | un214 | In fact I recommend stay away from plymouth. |
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| 02:24.27 | rxt0_ | hi there |
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| 02:24.43 | rxt0_ | i'm getting this message on dmesg recently [drm:radeon_crtc_page_flip] *ERROR* failed to reserve new rbo buffer before flip |
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| 02:26.31 | FoxM | un214: why is that? |
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| 02:27.50 | xk | how do you enable mysql slow query logging? |
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| 02:31.25 | un214 | FoxM: it's part of the unholy trinity that drove me away from ubuntu |
| 02:31.46 | un214 | upstart, plymouth, mountall |
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| 02:32.25 | gnarface | wtf is plymouth |
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| 02:32.54 | gnarface | let me rephrase that |
| 02:32.59 | gnarface | wtf were they thinking!?!?! |
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| 02:33.05 | un214 | boot splash and boot message redirector |
| 02:33.07 | gnarface | nevermind. ignore me i'll stop |
| 02:33.09 | un214 | requires framebuffer |
| 02:33.12 | gnarface | i'm just trolling |
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| 02:33.26 | loller | ##namespace is the cool place to hang out. You can find most of the cool people there. In ##namespace you can just chill and do whatever and totally relax. "Take it easy" is the ##namespace motto, for example, that's how laid back it is there. Show up if you want to have a good time. Another good reason to show up is if you want to hang out with friends. |
| 02:33.39 | gnarface | things that obscure the textual boot messages anger me |
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| 02:34.04 | gnarface | default grub install in squeeze now passes 'quiet' to the linux kernel |
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| 02:34.07 | un214 | would somebody flood ##namespace for me please |
| 02:34.10 | brianmwaters | @un214, that drove me off ubuntu too |
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| 02:34.14 | brianmwaters | that, and pulseaudio |
| 02:34.21 | abrotman | un214: please don't do that .. you'll end up banned as well |
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| 02:34.58 | brianmwaters | anybody know why iceweasel/firefox isn't in backports? |
| 02:35.17 | brianmwaters | i just set up squeeze-backports so i could get ff4 |
| 02:35.19 | dvs | brianmwaters: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 02:35.24 | brianmwaters | ah |
| 02:35.26 | gnarface | brianmwaters: you mean the 4.0+ version? i think its in experimental |
| 02:35.36 | un214 | brianmwaters: the ff4 binary on mozilla installs just fine |
| 02:35.38 | Faustus | hi |
| 02:35.49 | gnarface | un214: yes but that is NOT debian supported |
| 02:36.01 | gnarface | un214: he should probably try getting it from experimental first |
| 02:36.03 | gnarface | right abrotman ? |
| 02:36.07 | brianmwaters | uh |
| 02:36.08 | gnarface | or am i wrong about that? |
| 02:36.09 | dvs | ... |
| 02:36.21 | brianmwaters | upstream release sounds better than debian experimental to me |
| 02:36.24 | abrotman | he should use the URL dvs already spit out |
| 02:36.31 | gnarface | ok nevermind me |
| 02:36.31 | brianmwaters | i just did |
| 02:36.35 | brianmwaters | thanks |
| 02:36.39 | dvs | np |
| 02:36.41 | un214 | debian's support of iceweasel is worth -$10 |
| 02:36.43 | gnarface | oh mozilla.debian.net sorry i didn't read carefully. i saw mozilla.org there |
| 02:36.47 | brianmwaters | what about gnome3, whats the status of that |
| 02:36.52 | abrotman | un214: if you don't like it .. PLEASE go use another distro |
| 02:36.59 | brianmwaters | i just came off ubuntu |
| 02:37.02 | dvs | horks a website ;-) |
| 02:37.09 | abrotman | brianmwaters: only parts are in Debian so far .. be patient |
| 02:37.17 | brianmwaters | sounds good |
| 02:37.21 | un214 | abrotman: I just said the FF4 binary on mozilla.org works what do you think I did |
| 02:37.25 | brianmwaters | i'll have a look |
| 02:37.27 | abrotman | un214: go away |
| 02:37.34 | gnarface | i actually like icweasel in sid always being half a step behind the latest firefox version... way less 0-day vulns. |
| 02:37.55 | brianmwaters | thats why we use debian! |
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| 02:38.17 | abrotman | yay |
| 02:38.18 | _linuxftw | ...but way more unpatched problems |
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| 02:39.27 | gnarface | eh the only things i ever run into are -moz-* experimental css3 properties that you're not supposed to be using yet if you're writing a standards-compliant website anyway... and since that's what i do (write standards-compliant websites) ff4 is of little use to me yet |
| 02:40.22 | brianmwaters | moving all the crap over to the right is totally useful |
| 02:41.14 | fenugreek | has border-radius =) |
| 02:42.17 | gnarface | border-radius (or -moz-border-radius, and whatever the webkit one is) doesn't do fuckall for you but cause problems when some asshole client asks you why it doesn't work in IE6 and then refuses to pay |
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| 02:42.57 | gnarface | but i digress |
| 02:43.36 | gnarface | anyone here use blender? i'm curious about how experienced users feel about the new interface redesign. i noticed sid just got a 2.57x build |
| 02:43.49 | fenugreek | there's a blender channel on here somewhere |
| 02:44.15 | fenugreek | #blender, yeah |
| 02:44.21 | gnarface | everyone in there is asleep |
| 02:44.23 | abrotman | it can't be any worse (for beginners) than the old interface |
| 02:44.26 | andevellicus | lies |
| 02:44.37 | andevellicus | about the sleeping part at least :P |
| 02:44.41 | brianmwaters | that's not really a piece of software for beginners anyway |
| 02:44.43 | fenugreek | gnarface: what'd they change? |
| 02:45.00 | karlpinc | is sure to hate the gimp redesign. I like the separate windows. |
| 02:45.06 | abrotman | brianmwaters: beginners have to start somewhere .. and it doesn't have much competition for what it does |
| 02:45.12 | andevellicus | I tried using blender a few years back but I definitely couldn't get the hang of it :-/ |
| 02:45.19 | brianmwaters | true abrotman |
| 02:45.29 | brianmwaters | they're getting rid of the multiple gimp windows???? |
| 02:45.32 | brianmwaters | (yay) |
| 02:45.47 | fenugreek | karlpinc: that's optional |
| 02:45.55 | fenugreek | karlpinc: but you're sure to hate what they did to the saving functionality |
| 02:46.13 | fenugreek | which isn't optional (except via reversion patches, last I checked) |
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| 02:46.58 | brianmwaters | so exactly how scary is the experimental repo anyway? |
| 02:47.06 | fenugreek | haven't been able to find a good excuse to learn blender |
| 02:47.36 | brianmwaters | it can't be worse than arch linux right |
| 02:47.44 | fenugreek | all my modelling wants are more about CAD than making pretty graphics, anyways |
| 02:48.01 | gnarface | yea that gimp redesign will piss me off too. i never got good with blender under the old configuration, as an experience emacs user though i understand the justifications for such complexity. i'm just more curious about what the experienced blender users say about whether anything was sacrificed in the redesign or not as far as workflow optimization or features, etc |
| 02:48.03 | andevellicus | brianmwaters: lol i actually run two arch boxes :P |
| 02:48.11 | abrotman | !ot |
| 02:48.11 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 02:48.17 | brianmwaters | i used to |
| 02:48.33 | andevellicus | debian for my server though |
| 02:48.49 | brianmwaters | yeah i have a rackspace vps with ubuntu |
| 02:48.50 | dvs | brianmwaters: Why do you need experimental? |
| 02:49.12 | brianmwaters | @dvs: i'd like to poke around w/ gnome 3 a bit |
| 02:49.36 | brianmwaters | i'm an XMonad user, seems they did some stuff to gnome that is a step in the right direction for us |
| 02:49.42 | brianmwaters | but i'd like to see |
| 02:49.47 | fenugreek | keep in mind Ubuntu's GNOME isn't going to exactly match Debian's |
| 02:49.53 | abrotman | !ot |
| 02:49.53 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 02:50.07 | DJ-VISAGE | I am first timer and I am installing debian, I am about to choose Partitioning option, what would you recommenD? |
| 02:50.16 | fenugreek | DJ-VISAGE: for a desktop? |
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| 02:50.22 | DJ-VISAGE | yes |
| 02:50.23 | abrotman | DJ-VISAGE: does the machine have any other OS ? |
| 02:50.30 | fenugreek | DJ-VISAGE: one big partition, ext3, and a swap partition |
| 02:50.31 | DJ-VISAGE | abrotman no |
| 02:50.37 | dvs | DJ-VISAGE: The easiest way would be to have one / and a swap. |
| 02:50.42 | fenugreek | ^ |
| 02:50.46 | abrotman | DJ-VISAGE: then you can do it however you'd like .. i'd say to have a / and /home/ and swap |
| 02:50.48 | dvs | fenugreek: yeah right. ;-) |
| 02:50.54 | andevellicus | DJ-VISAGE: You can have root home and swap |
| 02:51.05 | DJ-VISAGE | :) Excellent |
| 02:51.08 | andevellicus | Anything against ext4 ? |
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| 02:51.12 | rapeman | rapeman: Welcome to #debian! #debian is the cool place to hang out. You can find most of the cool people there. In #debian you can just chill and do whatever and totally relax. "Take it easy" is the #debian motto, for example, that's how laid back it is there. Show up if you want to have a good time. Another good reason to show up is if you want to hang out with friends. |
| 02:51.12 | brianmwaters | yes, i have a separate /home, but it's kind of pointless |
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| 02:51.18 | brianmwaters | @andevillicus |
| 02:51.19 | brianmwaters | actually, yes |
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| 02:51.25 | fenugreek | dvs: heheh |
| 02:51.38 | brianmwaters | ext4 does some kind of softupdate thing |
| 02:51.45 | fenugreek | the advantage of one FS is you don't have to worry about how big the partitions should be, the limit is the hard disk size |
| 02:51.47 | brianmwaters | if your laptop dies you can loose data |
| 02:51.54 | xk | heh |
| 02:51.59 | fenugreek | with multiple partitions you can specialize FSes to tasks |
| 02:52.05 | brianmwaters | and excuse me, it's not softupdates like FreeBSD softupdates |
| 02:52.06 | abrotman | it's not at all pointless to have a separate /home/ .. it makes a reinstall a million times easier for starters |
| 02:52.12 | fenugreek | and of course if one area is corrupted, you can avoid it having an effect on others |
| 02:52.14 | DJ-VISAGE | :D |
| 02:52.36 | andevellicus | abrotman: yeah, i agree... it's nice not losing all my .config or data if i reinstall |
| 02:52.45 | fenugreek | reinstalling isn't something you should have to do, though |
| 02:52.58 | gnarface | true but mistakes are easy to make |
| 02:53.05 | abrotman | fenugreek: switching from i386 to amd64 perhaps, or the inverse |
| 02:53.05 | andevellicus | brianmwaters: interesting, i'd read about that change but i hadnt any idea it could be a problem |
| 02:53.11 | dvs | fenugreek: beginners do it a lot more often. |
| 02:53.19 | fenugreek | abrotman: also not something you should have to do |
| 02:53.23 | fenugreek | not that people don't =) |
| 02:53.29 | abrotman | fenugreek: i did exactly that when i got my laptop |
| 02:53.59 | fenugreek | abrotman: you installed 32-bit and filled /home/ with personal data and then reinstalled with 64-bit? |
| 02:54.01 | gnarface | i roll my desktops with server-style partitioning (separate /home, /tmp, /usr, /var and / and swap and sometimes /boot) but on old laptops i'm trying to resurrect or anything storage-starved (20GB or less) i just do / and swap |
| 02:54.15 | DJ-VISAGE | I've 3 options: 1. All files in one partition; 2.Separate /home; 3.Separate /home, /usr, /var, and /tmp partitions |
| 02:54.23 | DJ-VISAGE | :? |
| 02:54.23 | abrotman | fenugreek: other way around .. 64bit binary only stuff was too unstable when i originally installed this laptop |
| 02:54.30 | andevellicus | DJ-VISAGE: how much space do you have? |
| 02:54.35 | abrotman | DJ-VISAGE: probably #2 |
| 02:54.35 | DJ-VISAGE | 320G |
| 02:54.37 | fenugreek | abrotman: ah |
| 02:54.42 | brianmwaters | andevillicus: my knowledge of that is based off the wikipedia article for ext4.... so don't take my word for it |
| 02:54.55 | dvs | DJ-VISAGE: I'm still with option 1. |
| 02:55.18 | fenugreek | DJ-VISAGE: I certainly would not recommend 3 for you,not unless you want to do a fair amount of research |
| 02:55.32 | andevellicus | DJ-VISAGE: what do you plan on using the box for? server/general mucking around? |
| 02:55.35 | fenugreek | or blindly use someone else's config |
| 02:55.43 | fenugreek | andevellicus: GMA he said |
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| 02:56.13 | DJ-VISAGE | The purpose having debian is that I am web developer and I am kind a bad with linux servers so i decided to start learning, keep this in mind, will be primarly for web server |
| 02:56.22 | DJ-VISAGE | servers |
| 02:56.28 | DJ-VISAGE | FTP |
| 02:56.30 | DJ-VISAGE | WEB.... |
| 02:56.31 | abrotman | but you said it's a desktop ? |
| 02:56.45 | DJ-VISAGE | It's a small HP Slimline |
| 02:56.46 | DJ-VISAGE | yes |
| 02:56.49 | suicidolt | I can't get sound working on my asus 900hd |
| 02:56.50 | fenugreek | he did =) |
| 02:57.03 | dvs | DJ-VISAGE: He means use it as a desktop and not a server. |
| 02:57.06 | fenugreek | suicidolt: driver loaded? alsamixer channels unmuted? |
| 02:57.24 | fenugreek | he wants a desktop with a server on it =P |
| 02:57.27 | andevellicus | DJ-VISAGE: personally i'd go with #2 |
| 02:57.28 | DJ-VISAGE | everything is working, I made it moded, have new mobo zotac itx mini 4 SATA... |
| 02:57.30 | fenugreek | he's not going to run a server for production off it |
| 02:57.46 | suicidolt | fenugreek: where do I check the drier? |
| 02:57.51 | DJ-VISAGE | fenugreek just watch :) |
| 02:57.57 | fenugreek | suicidolt: lspci -k |
| 02:58.04 | DJ-VISAGE | ok #2 |
| 02:58.05 | DJ-VISAGE | ... |
| 02:58.06 | fenugreek | DJ-VISAGE: watch your ISP yell at you for breaking TOS? =) |
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| 02:58.33 | fenugreek | suicidolt: or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ depending on what you mean |
| 02:58.45 | suicidolt | Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04) |
| 02:58.47 | suicidolt | Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 8337 |
| 02:58.49 | suicidolt | Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel |
| 02:58.50 | karlpinc | !tell DJ-VISAGE about overview |
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| 02:59.13 | fenugreek | suicidolt: okay, run alsamixer and look for muted or low volume channels |
| 02:59.29 | DJ-VISAGE | No worried about my ISP with company acc :) |
| 02:59.47 | fenugreek | well |
| 02:59.50 | DJ-VISAGE | nice tutorials :) |
| 03:00.18 | fenugreek | you can get pretty nice performance boosts by using particular FSes for particular parts of the system |
| 03:00.41 | fenugreek | if you actually plan on having some competitive service run on this, it might be worth looking into |
| 03:00.58 | karlpinc | DJ-VISAGE: !tell DJ-VISAGE about reference |
| 03:01.42 | suicidolt | that worked beautifully, thanks fenugreek |
| 03:02.02 | DJ-VISAGE | I've been reading a bit and most like the Debian :) |
| 03:02.07 | DJ-VISAGE | so no other way |
| 03:02.13 | fenugreek | suicidolt: good, it gets hairy when that doesn't work =P |
| 03:02.41 | DJ-VISAGE | btw is 10GB enough for Primary? ext3 / |
| 03:02.56 | karlpinc | DJ-VISAGE: To learn how to read the docs read "man less", "man man" and "info info". You probably also want to read the install guide. |
| 03:03.09 | dvs | DJ-VISAGE: I'd use 20GB |
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| 03:03.42 | suicidolt | fenugreek: I don't really like having 2 taskbars, but I feel like I'm lacking in having everything on them, rather than having too much, are there any suggested ways to organize my computer |
| 03:03.56 | karlpinc | DJ-VISAGE: Sorry, I mean the reference guide, now that you've got it installed. |
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| 03:05.03 | MrFrood | suicidolt: re taskbars - take a look at some screenshot threads to get an idea on possible layouts |
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| 03:05.27 | fenugreek | suicidolt: in GNOME? |
| 03:05.39 | suicidolt | yes, gnome |
| 03:05.40 | fenugreek | suicidolt: they're called panels, and you can have only one if you want, right-click on one |
| 03:05.49 | fenugreek | inside the bottom pannel you have a task list =) |
| 03:06.02 | suicidolt | I've seen a few minimalist screenshots, and I like the look, but honestly I have no idea where they get to all of their stuff |
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| 03:06.19 | fenugreek | suicidolt: everything is through the right-click menu, really |
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| 03:06.28 | andevellicus | suicidolt: I run openbox on my arch boxes |
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| 03:06.34 | fenugreek | remove a panel, add one, add a menu item, an icon, a launcher, an applet |
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| 03:08.15 | MrFrood | runs openbox on his Debian boxes :P |
| 03:08.15 | suicidolt | openbox is interesting |
| 03:08.46 | fenugreek | openbox is my backup wm |
| 03:08.46 | andevellicus | Hehe, my server is headless |
| 03:09.09 | suicidolt | fenugreek, I think stacking 2 or 3 panels onto each other may fill my needs, but I'm noticing (for one) when I turn my panel to the side, it doesn't keep the text of the open windows sideways, it makes it ... |
| 03:09.51 | fenugreek | ...vertical, rotated? |
| 03:10.01 | MrFrood | suicidolt: if you are new to linux best to get a hang of the basics using a full on Desktop Envioroment (de) before venturing in to lightweight Window Manager (WM) land |
| 03:10.22 | suicidolt | if I could widen those across 3 or 4 panels that I can fill with other gadgets, I think I'll be...perfect |
| 03:10.24 | Kull | suicidolt: what the heck are you doing that you think more than one or two panels is needed? |
| 03:10.27 | Kull | WTF? |
| 03:10.44 | suicidolt | Kull: desktop icons are for losers |
| 03:10.51 | Kull | suicidolt: so are panels. |
| 03:11.00 | suicidolt | clean desktop, empty of junk |
| 03:11.00 | Kull | Talk about screen bloat! |
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| 03:11.07 | suicidolt | hidden panel and viola, clear |
| 03:11.23 | Kull | Or just launch everything from a terminal. |
| 03:11.29 | suicidolt | you should see my windows desktop |
| 03:11.36 | suicidolt | Kull: terminals are for losers |
| 03:11.39 | Kull | I use awesomewm with no title bars, Im OCD. |
| 03:11.41 | andevellicus | i use gmrun |
| 03:11.41 | MrFrood | giggles |
| 03:11.43 | andevellicus | love it :) |
| 03:11.49 | Kull | Terminals are for losers? #windows is that way ====> |
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| 03:11.56 | suicidolt | :) |
| 03:12.25 | suicidolt | you get linux so you can customize your os, not so you can delete it entirely |
| 03:12.29 | suicidolt | :P |
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| 03:12.34 | MrFrood | Terminal & Terminal multiplexing ROCK!!! |
| 03:13.07 | andevellicus | has like 5 terminals open, no screen.... |
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| 03:14.16 | MrFrood | 1 terminal - 1 gnu screen multiplexing 6 terms to 3 machines |
| 03:15.20 | fenugreek | I'm administrating the server this whole world is running on inside of screen |
| 03:15.45 | MrFrood | YAY GNU Screen :D |
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| 03:16.45 | andevellicus | hoorah |
| 03:17.07 | andevellicus | you guys have any thoughts on tmux? |
| 03:17.39 | MrFrood | tmux does not do serial terminal does it? |
| 03:17.58 | andevellicus | I have no idea, I've never used tmux - buddy of mine swears by it though |
| 03:18.43 | fenugreek | I don't exploit screen enough to have found a missing feature to inspire me to check if tmux has it yet |
| 03:19.52 | MrFrood | I hear tmux does split screen better than gnu screen but if I need to do split screen in gnu screen I just use DVTM |
| 03:20.07 | Kull | tmux > screen |
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| 03:20.22 | Kull | dvtm also works. |
| 03:20.43 | Kull | dvtm is rather nice, actually. |
| 03:20.51 | Kull | tmux is still my prefered multiplexer. |
| 03:21.08 | fenugreek | MrFrood: better how? |
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| 03:21.33 | fenugreek | Kull: did you use screen before you met tmux? |
| 03:22.19 | Kull | yes |
| 03:22.58 | fenugreek | do you use tmux with screen-like shortcuts, or (more like) tmux's default ones? |
| 03:23.16 | Kull | C-b for life! |
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| 03:23.30 | Kull | ie; tmux |
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| 03:23.36 | MrFrood | fenugreek: I'm told tmux is prettier but for me screen+dvtm is far more funtional |
| 03:23.51 | Kull | screen AND dvtm? Why both? Theya re similar.... |
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| 03:24.04 | fenugreek | well screen does more than split areas |
| 03:24.13 | fenugreek | I don't know if dvtm does more than that, though |
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| 03:24.31 | fenugreek | when I want pretty I go to X |
| 03:24.34 | Kull | tmux is great for attaching, detachings essions, keeping remote sessions alive and making you able to get to your open session from anywhere in teh world. |
| 03:24.50 | fenugreek | Kull: right, it's an alternative to screen |
| 03:25.19 | MrFrood | Kull: screen for full page "tabs" dvtm for splitting the "tab" as screens page splitiing sucks compared to dvtm |
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| 03:26.20 | fenugreek | how does dvtm suck less at splitting? |
| 03:26.28 | Kull | dvtm splits screens or creates a new tab. |
| 03:26.31 | Kull | same with tmux |
| 03:26.34 | Kull | and screen |
| 03:26.35 | fenugreek | are the commands for adding/removing/resizing just simpler or more intuitive? |
| 03:26.39 | Kull | they all do that, that is what they do. |
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| 03:26.50 | fenugreek | Kull: but does dvtm handle sessions and disconnects |
| 03:27.05 | Kull | tmux just feels more comfortable, easier to setup a decent config for, looks nicer etc |
| 03:27.25 | andevellicus | to each there own :P |
| 03:27.31 | fenugreek | meant to direct that to MrFrood |
| 03:27.35 | Kull | Of course dvtm can attach and detach |
| 03:27.38 | fenugreek | the question |
| 03:27.41 | fenugreek | Kull: yeah? |
| 03:27.46 | MrFrood | tmux does not do half the stuff screen does |
| 03:28.02 | fenugreek | I don't use 90% of what screen can do =) |
| 03:28.15 | Kull | You need to use dtach to attach and detach dvtm |
| 03:28.28 | Kull | dtach -c /tmp/dvtm-session -r winch dvtm |
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| 03:28.41 | Kull | Or just nest it in screen... |
| 03:28.42 | MrFrood | fenugreek: dvtm is more like a tiling WM for the the terminal |
| 03:28.44 | Kull | Whatever. |
| 03:28.53 | fenugreek | Kull: so dvtm itself doesn't do that? |
| 03:28.55 | Kull | MrFrood: so is screen and tmux, they all tile. |
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| 03:29.03 | fenugreek | MrFrood: yeah that was my understanding |
| 03:29.17 | fenugreek | the session stuff is more important, IMO |
| 03:29.22 | fenugreek | not that you have to pick one or the other |
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| 03:37.08 | suicidolt | I guess I'm looking for "multiple columns" in my panel more than multiple panels |
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| 03:39.09 | iluminator101 | W: Failed to fetch http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/dists/wheezy/main/source/SourcesIndex MD5Sum mismatch?? |
| 03:39.10 | bklive | when you run the bsd kernel in vbox do you have to call it bsd for it to load? it seems to hang forever at boot in the debian linux option |
| 03:39.46 | kgoetz | iluminator101: try another mirror? |
| 03:41.08 | Rusty1 | bklive: there is a #vbox channel, maybe more help there? |
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| 03:42.31 | Kull | bklive: you probably need to boot with : VBoxSDL --nopatm --startvm name_of_vm |
| 03:42.53 | Kull | OR : VBoxSDL -norawr0 -vm name_of_vm |
| 03:43.51 | Kull | Try both, one should work if the other does not. You may veen get some segfaults, I know that OpenBSD and I believe NetBSD are both prone to seg fauling in VBox. Not sure about Debian's k/FreeBSD |
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| 03:44.31 | Kull | I know that Debian's FreeBSD brought desktop BSD lightyears into the future, though. |
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| 03:48.14 | bklive | well for whatever reason it's working now in normal install (grub option) from the netinst cd for the bsd kernel |
| 03:48.24 | bklive | Kull, thanks for the help! |
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| 03:55.35 | DJ-VISAGE | Installed! :) |
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| 03:55.51 | DJ-VISAGE | Logged in successfully! Thanks! |
| 03:56.49 | DJ-VISAGE | Hope I become as good as you're soon :} |
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| 03:57.32 | tehrabbitt | Interesting bug I've noticed |
| 03:57.45 | tehrabbitt | Though I know it's probabbly just part of the existing audio bug in wheezy |
| 03:58.05 | tehrabbitt | after pushing the mute button, you can't Unmute... or mute... again |
| 03:58.12 | tehrabbitt | this is after the latest batch of updates |
| 03:58.13 | fenugreek | what mute button? |
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| 03:58.16 | tehrabbitt | on my laptop |
| 03:58.21 | tehrabbitt | physical mute button |
| 03:58.22 | fenugreek | what's it mapped to? |
| 03:58.28 | tehrabbitt | not sure how can I check? |
| 03:58.29 | fenugreek | oh hardware mute? |
| 03:58.35 | tehrabbitt | yes |
| 03:58.41 | tehrabbitt | now, the "Mute" orange light is lit up |
| 03:58.44 | fenugreek | probably a change in the kernel, then |
| 03:58.45 | tehrabbitt | but if a sound plays... |
| 03:58.53 | tehrabbitt | it turns off, plays the sound, then remutes again |
| 03:59.01 | tehrabbitt | and you can hear it go "click click" |
| 03:59.03 | tehrabbitt | every time |
| 03:59.08 | z0mbyk1d | yeah, bad driver |
| 03:59.08 | fenugreek | huh |
| 03:59.20 | z0mbyk1d | like, oddly bad |
| 03:59.26 | tehrabbitt | that's what i thought :-\ |
| 03:59.33 | fenugreek | you can possibly map it to a script instead |
| 03:59.44 | fenugreek | see if xev can detect when you press it |
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| 04:00.11 | tehrabbitt | also audio level "jumps" from quiet to suddenly very loud after unmuting |
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| 04:00.18 | tehrabbitt | xev? |
| 04:00.47 | fenugreek | xev |
| 04:02.16 | andevellicus | xev! |
| 04:02.47 | fenugreek | xev‽ (obligatory) |
| 04:02.47 | simonlnu | ¡vex |
| 04:03.09 | tehrabbitt | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 04:03.14 | tehrabbitt | thats the audio device btw |
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| 04:03.29 | fenugreek | are you the 1201pn guy? |
| 04:03.33 | fenugreek | or the 900 guy? |
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| 04:04.37 | daedhel | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.40 | daedhel | in pcmanfm |
| 04:04.59 | daedhel | I googled everything I could, cant find an answer |
| 04:05.07 | daedhel | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.13 | daedhel | HALP! |
| 04:05.35 | tehrabbitt | fenugreek, huh |
| 04:05.50 | tehrabbitt | kernel btw is 2.6.38-2-amd64 |
| 04:05.57 | tehrabbitt | just in case anyone knows of anything about this |
| 04:06.01 | fenugreek | tehrabbitt: what's the make and model of the computer? |
| 04:06.04 | andevellicus | daedhel: is your user part of the storage group? |
| 04:06.34 | tehrabbitt | Compaq nc6320 |
| 04:06.36 | daedhel | andevellicus: yup |
| 04:06.45 | fenugreek | ah |
| 04:06.57 | tehrabbitt | ah? lol |
| 04:08.13 | fenugreek | tehrabbitt: might try passing model=hp in /etc/modprobe.d/alsafoo |
| 04:08.53 | tehrabbitt | what will that do? |
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| 04:09.17 | fenugreek | theoretically configure ALSA more specifically for your laptop |
| 04:09.34 | DJ-VISAGE | ssh root@eva shutdown -h -t 10 now |
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| 04:09.41 | DJ-VISAGE | good night all :) |
| 04:09.48 | fenugreek | and by that I meant options snd-hda-intel model=hp |
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| 04:10.21 | andevellicus | night DJ-VISAGE |
| 04:10.58 | DJ-VISAGE | my 1st command :) night andevellicus |
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| 04:19.04 | austinium | hi, iam running Debian 6(2.6.32-5-686-bigmem, java version "1.6.0_02"), is the JVM Heap size dependent on the kernel type? I am using a bigmem kernel bacause i want to assign 10GB or RAM to JVM Heap(XMX) |
| 04:19.35 | austinium | and i am unable to assign over 2.6GB as JVM Heap Size |
| 04:20.18 | tehrabbitt | fenugreek, that config file doesn't exist btw on my system X_X |
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| 04:21.24 | fenugreek | tehrabbitt: foo is a placeholder |
| 04:21.28 | mentor | wonders why the fuck dovecot is listening on 0.0.3.225 |
| 04:21.33 | mentor | !foo |
| 04:21.33 | dpkg | it has been said that foo is the probably first <metasyntactic variable>, it's a placeholder for some other term. See http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html and <bar>, also read RFC3092. |
| 04:21.35 | fenugreek | it varies by distro and I haven't used Debian in a while |
| 04:21.46 | fenugreek | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:24.54 | tehrabbitt | fenugreek, I don't even see alsa anythign there |
| 04:25.06 | tehrabbitt | I see i915-kms |
| 04:25.26 | fenugreek | tehrabbitt: in /etc/modprobe.d/ ? |
| 04:25.29 | tehrabbitt | yes |
| 04:25.40 | fenugreek | weird |
| 04:25.41 | tehrabbitt | and i also see umm aliases.conf etc |
| 04:25.43 | fenugreek | are you using OSS? |
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| 04:29.20 | daedhel | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:29.24 | daedhel | in pcmanfm |
| 04:29.28 | daedhel | I googled everything I could, cant find an answer |
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| 04:42.20 | ninwa | what's the best way to see what is causing a drive to be busy? tried like lsof | grep /dev/sdc1 (sdc1 happens to be the device) but nothing showed up |
| 04:42.27 | ninwa | but umounting it says its busy |
| 04:43.04 | baethan | anybody know how to troublshoot a bridged interface -- just updated or installed virtualbox, after reboot, I can't access internet, although I could access local network |
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| 04:43.30 | nkuttler | !tell ninwa about open files |
| 04:43.50 | ninwa | great! |
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| 04:44.24 | ninwa | the only thing accessing it is bash & lsof, what else would make a drive "busy" it's a usb external? |
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| 04:44.36 | nkuttler | um, bash is more than enough |
| 04:45.03 | ninwa | oh, hm. I thought it only said bash because bash was launching lsof, or something |
| 04:45.12 | nkuttler | either cd somewhere else or kill the process |
| 04:45.22 | ninwa | ... LOL |
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| 04:47.09 | ninwa | hm |
| 04:47.48 | ninwa | im no longer in the directory, there's only oneprocess running now accessing it (still bash) but despite killing it a couple of itmes it seems to keep running |
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| 04:49.37 | ninwa | I had a terminal open on another computer still in that directory |
| 04:49.51 | ninwa | closing the ssh session from it allowed it to be unmounted, not sure why I couldnt kill it remotely |
| 04:49.56 | ninwa | thank you nkuttler |
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| 04:59.28 | namidark | How can I just get the # of pending updates for a machine? |
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| 05:02.03 | celthunder | hamidark aptitude safe-upgrade n |
| 05:02.15 | celthunder | just put n when it asks you to update or not |
| 05:02.39 | celthunder | itl'll tell you in the 2nd line above that (4 to be upgrade 0 newly installed 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded) at least thats what happens for me |
| 05:06.34 | namidark | celthunder: ty :) |
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| 05:28.48 | destine_ | has anyone here used pacemaker+corosync? |
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| 05:35.46 | sdnalanis | Hello, i am running debian lenny (have not had the time to upgrade) and i was wondering in kde how to share a folder so that others across the network can access it? |
| 05:36.11 | celthunder | samba/sshfs/web/ftp/however you want |
| 05:36.25 | celthunder | unity |
| 05:36.31 | celthunder | uhm probably like 80 other methods |
| 05:36.51 | valdyn | !folder |
| 05:36.51 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 05:36.59 | tensorpudding | unity? |
| 05:37.34 | celthunder | tensorpudding: ever use dropbox? it syncs folders and always keeps them up to date |
| 05:37.45 | tensorpudding | yes |
| 05:37.47 | celthunder | unity is a cool way to do it yourself |
| 05:37.57 | celthunder | and a few more options whne doing it too |
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| 05:38.17 | sdnalanis | because when i righrclick on rthe folder in question and go to properties and hit the sharing tab it says that i need to enable sharing so i click the button and it asks for rootpassword i enter the correct pass and nothing is changed and it throws an assess denied error |
| 05:38.18 | celthunder | i use unity to sync a backup folder with 2 servers |
| 05:38.51 | celthunder | sdnalanis: ? does kde have some sort of built in sharing thing? idk...i use xmonad |
| 05:39.05 | celthunder | the methods i mention don't depend on some ui |
| 05:39.06 | tensorpudding | it confused me, since i thought you were referring either to ubuntu unity, or that you were confusing unity for unison |
| 05:39.15 | valdyn | celthunder: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=84037 |
| 05:39.21 | celthunder | tensorpudding: yeah unison |
| 05:39.36 | tensorpudding | i use both |
| 05:39.45 | valdyn | err, wrong target sdnalanis ^^ |
| 05:39.46 | celthunder | tensorpudding: :/ just..yeah...unison sorry |
| 05:40.00 | tensorpudding | err, both dropbox and unison |
| 05:40.05 | anima- | hm a bit more lively here |
| 05:40.08 | tensorpudding | but for different things |
| 05:40.15 | celthunder | anima-: well you're here |
| 05:40.45 | anima- | celthunder, yea i got tired of screaming "google you idiot" at people in ##linux |
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| 05:42.04 | celthunder | anima-: lol yeah i'm idling #ubuntu just to watch all the idiots freak out that whatever whatever isn't released yet |
| 05:42.07 | jmarsden | anima-: How many of them went and typed you idiot into Google? :) |
| 05:42.25 | destine_ | too many.. |
| 05:42.26 | anima- | jmarsden, probably most of them |
| 05:42.51 | rypervenche | Oooh, I should join in the fun, lol |
| 05:43.53 | destine_ | what would be the best to monitor a few users ( like 5 or so) traffic, shape and capping ? i thought i could combine squid with some other tools. Any suggestions? |
| 05:44.11 | anima- | celthunder, im currently running squeeze with trinity (kde3.5) |
| 05:44.31 | anima- | i doubt ill move for another couple years |
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| 05:45.38 | buhman1 | I was using apt over ssh, but didn't use screen and my session was interrupted. The downloads had finished (a few hundred mb which is quite time-expensive on the host's end); how might I stop apt and then resume it again? |
| 05:46.28 | anima- | buhman1, ps aux | grep apt kill -9 aptpid |
| 05:46.53 | buhman1 | anima-: the more important portion was not having to re-download all of that |
| 05:47.08 | anima- | buhman1, it all should be in the dpkg cache |
| 05:47.14 | buhman1 | really?? |
| 05:47.18 | celthunder | yes |
| 05:47.27 | anima- | ............ no i was making it up. it magically vanished |
| 05:48.34 | buhman1 | anima-: wow, that's cool |
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| 05:49.55 | anima- | buhman1, specifically: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 05:51.48 | timo | buhman1: if you restart apt-get, it won't download already downloaded packages |
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| 05:52.10 | buhman1 | timo: I didn't know this: never tried |
| 05:52.21 | timo | buhman1: an apt-get will tell you how much it needs to download in MBs when you're doing an upgrade |
| 05:53.05 | buhman1 | Never saw the "Need to get 0 B/2550 MB of archives." line ... |
| 05:53.32 | anima- | buhman1, 2550mb ?! |
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| 05:53.49 | anima- | what are you updating ? |
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| 05:54.17 | buhman1 | anima-: all I really have right now is apt-get, bash, grep, etc... |
| 05:54.56 | anima- | buhman1, right console tools what else do you need on a server that takes up 2.5gb |
| 05:54.56 | buhman1 | anima-: I'm currently grabbing a bunch of x11 stuff as well as kernel sources (really long apt, which is why I was so worried) |
| 05:55.15 | anima- | buhman1, why are you getting X11 packages on a server ? |
| 05:55.16 | buhman1 | anima-: the point is it's not going to be a server |
| 05:55.48 | anima- | ah i see, well even trinity is only 300mb, kde4 cant be much more than 400mb |
| 05:56.16 | celthunder | anima-: i think kde4 base is like 300 and then kde4 full install is like 1.2gb |
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| 05:56.33 | anima- | celthunder, ouch. i refuse to run kde4 |
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| 05:57.14 | anima- | got temp banned from ##linux for saying KDE4 sucked |
| 05:57.16 | celthunder | anima-: lol i just redid my / and left out kde4 and gnome and all the crap that comes with both...xmonad is like 20mb..if you don't count ghc |
| 05:57.24 | celthunder | ? |
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| 05:57.37 | celthunder | they ban people for dissing crappy ui's? |
| 05:58.23 | anima- | lol i guess |
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| 06:04.46 | anima- | mmm generic cheese-flavored cornmeal puff curls |
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| 06:08.14 | ronny | again: is there a way to make apt/aptitude ignore that a specific installed package is missing a dependency (since the dropbox ubuntu build depends on a weird version of nautilus-extensions) |
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| 06:09.34 | fenugreek | ronny: if it's installed, hasn't it already ignored it? |
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| 06:11.46 | ronny | fenugreek: apt/aptitude want to uninstall it cause of the missing dep every time i want to do anything |
| 06:11.59 | ronny | fenugreek: and they refuse to do anything unless i remove the package again |
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| 06:12.10 | ronny | i suppose its a consistency thing |
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| 06:13.22 | anima- | ronny, you could always delete it from /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 06:14.41 | kgoetz | ronny: either rebuild to drop the dependency, or build a metapckage to provide it |
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| 06:15.45 | anima- | oops it was fenugreek asking, fenugreek make a backup of the package list and md5sum then remove them from /var/lib/dpkg/info then apt wont think its installed ;) |
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| 06:16.38 | fenugreek | no it was ronny =) |
| 06:16.48 | fenugreek | if this were a standardized test... =P |
| 06:17.02 | ronny | kgoetz: how would i make a metapackage that links libnautilus-extension1 1:$foo to libnautilus-extension $foo |
| 06:17.48 | anima- | fenugreek, i need sleep lol |
| 06:18.16 | ronny | kgoetz: would it be ok to lie in /var/lib/dpkg/status? |
| 06:18.54 | fenugreek | anima-: I just took a name |
| 06:19.04 | fenugreek | anima-: erm, a nap that is |
| 06:19.08 | fenugreek | perhaps it should've been longer =P |
| 06:19.45 | anima- | gah this computer really heats up my room |
| 06:19.53 | kgoetz | ronny: modifing the dpkg status might work, i've never tried |
| 06:20.00 | kgoetz | wouldn't feel safe doing it either |
| 06:20.04 | ronny | ok, just made a backup |
| 06:20.22 | ronny | droping the 1: made it switch from want to remove to keeping back |
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| 06:36.48 | karlpinc | !tell ronny about dropbox |
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| 06:38.25 | ronny | karlpinc: i force-installed a ubuntu build of nautilus-dropbox, which dependes on libnautilus-extension1 1:... - since i lie in the dpkg status about that stuff works fine new |
| 06:38.43 | nkuttler | meh, great. spamassassin stops working.. |
| 06:39.01 | karlpinc | nkuttler: You know about squeeze-updates? |
| 06:39.06 | mrtnt | I have a following wiring diagram: http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/2595/ciscotermapcats.jpg Is there a program under Linux, which is specially for such diagrams? |
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| 06:39.37 | karlpinc | ronny: Sounds like trouble to me but you're free to do as you please. |
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| 06:39.59 | nkuttler | karlpinc: don't see any related upgrades. odd. haven't touched the system in a long time |
| 06:40.03 | karlpinc | !spice |
| 06:40.03 | dpkg | somebody said spice was a circuit simulation tool, check out spice opus at http://www.fe.uni-lj.si/spice/welcome.html for a small f free implementation of SPICE, or gnucap - gnu circuit analysis package |
| 06:40.15 | ronny | karlpinc: its certainly not osmething to do on habit :P |
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| 06:40.30 | karlpinc | mrtnt: See above. |
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| 06:41.00 | mah454 | How i can route traffice of a client to other interface (ppp0 to ppp1) ? |
| 06:41.23 | karlpinc | nkuttler: squeeze-updates can get new new spamassassin dbs, etc. |
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| 06:41.55 | karlpinc | mah454: Usually you want to enable forwarding. See the debian reference manual or "man sysctl", "man sysctl.conf". |
| 06:42.38 | karlpinc | mah454: You may also want to use iptables (or shorewall or ferm) at that point to avoid security problems on other interfaces. |
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| 06:43.16 | BIOS_ | a |
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| 06:46.48 | mrtnt | karlpinc: thanks! I think I'll go with the GnuCap as it seems to have smaller learning curve. |
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| 06:47.51 | mah454 | this command change all traffic to other interface "route del traffic ; route add default dev ppp1" . I need change traffic for one client ... |
| 06:48.18 | armani_ | i got a segmentation fault when installing squeeze amd64 .... followed by something about a kernel....anyone have any ideas how to solve this? it's a new system and "clean" install... |
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| 06:49.05 | fenugreek | something? |
| 06:49.24 | armani_ | fenugreek, kernel: [11099.787585] frontend[7933]: segfault at 3ffffff8 ip 00007f069add67f9 sp 00007fff17b4f550 error 4 in libc-2.11.2.so[7f069ad60000+158000] |
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| 06:52.52 | armani_ | i'm at my wits end lol... the "select and install programs" always end with the installation failing, so i skip that and go straight to installing grub, because if i don't, grub won't install either... |
| 06:53.49 | fenugreek | mmm |
| 06:53.55 | fenugreek | perhaps it's time to try a debootstrap |
| 06:54.20 | armani_ | so another format followed by a clean install is at hand? |
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| 06:55.22 | tux0 | ,kvm |
| 06:55.35 | tux0 | !kvm |
| 06:55.36 | dpkg | The Kernel-based Virtual Machine (KVM) is a full <virtualization> solution for Linux hosts on x86 hardware with x86 guests. Packaged for Debian as qemu-kvm since Squeeze, kvm in Lenny. See http://wiki.debian.org/KVM for installation instructions, also ask me about <xve>. http://www.linux-kvm.org/ #kvm on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 07:01.52 | karlpinc | !tell tux0 about selftell |
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| 07:02.52 | karlpinc | armani_: Are you using the squeeze installer? |
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| 07:05.09 | buhman1 | I'm trying to install debian, and I'm presented with this http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=150569 what do I do? |
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| 07:05.12 | buhman1 | I can't seem to dismiss it |
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| 07:05.42 | fenugreek | buhman1: probably not the image you meant to link to |
| 07:05.54 | buhman1 | fenugreek: sure it is |
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| 07:06.02 | buhman1 | http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=150569 |
| 07:06.07 | fenugreek | don't think so |
| 07:06.21 | buhman1 | "Configuring console setup" |
| 07:06.23 | stockholm | why would you want to dismiss it? just select what you need |
| 07:06.24 | jmarsden | buhman1: Just press the Enter key to select the default console font. |
| 07:06.34 | buhman1 | jmarsden: that's the problem... it doesn't seem to do anything |
| 07:07.28 | buhman1 | my thought was since the post installation script seems a bit buggy, that I'd skip that for now and configure it later? |
| 07:07.36 | jmarsden | buhman1: Try TAB and then Enter? Do you have an unusual keyboard?? |
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| 07:08.18 | buhman1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:08.18 | buhman1 | thanks |
| 07:08.28 | jmarsden | buhman1: You're welcome. |
| 07:08.31 | armani_ | karlpinc, yes, i'm using the expert installer without any desktop environments, if i run the install with the desktop environment choices it hangs the install |
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| 07:09.19 | simonlnu | debconf/whiptail used to do that, not respond to just pressing enter |
| 07:09.25 | buhman1 | I forgot to mount /proc before installing dbus; I was told during postinstallation that it failed because of this; is there anything special I should worry about or will it be (re)started automagically? |
| 07:09.55 | simonlnu | mount /proc first, otherwise it'll puke again ;) |
| 07:10.13 | buhman1 | simonlnu: well, it appears to already be installed, so what should I do? |
| 07:10.15 | warp0x00 | everything pukes without /proc |
| 07:10.32 | simonlnu | dpkg --configure -a |
| 07:10.32 | dpkg | simonlnu: I give up, what is it? |
| 07:10.44 | simonlnu | dpkg: hush you |
| 07:10.44 | dpkg | try again, bub. |
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| 07:11.09 | buhman1 | simonlnu: brilliant.. I like this |
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| 07:11.49 | simonlnu | :) |
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| 07:22.38 | nkuttler | sigh X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on www.example.com); Unknown failure |
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| 07:30.08 | patrykr | hey |
| 07:30.17 | patrykr | I cant open port in iptables |
| 07:30.35 | patrykr | I have process lintening on that port |
| 07:30.55 | simonlnu | port's already open then |
| 07:31.49 | patrykr | no, for example I have ssh listening on 5014 port |
| 07:31.56 | patrykr | I'd try to open 5014 port |
| 07:32.16 | patrykr | when I try to connect via putty I have Connecton refused |
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| 07:33.57 | patrykr | I'd try: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 5014 -j ACCEPT |
| 07:34.01 | patrykr | and same tith udp |
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| 07:34.51 | simonlnu | you don't need udp for ssh |
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| 07:35.28 | simonlnu | netstat -luant | grep ssh |
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| 07:37.44 | simonlnu | ^^ to see if it's running |
| 07:38.35 | ayambit | How do I restore (using "restore") one specified file from dump? |
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| 07:39.51 | patrykr | netstat -luant |grep ssh - no output |
| 07:41.12 | ayambit | do lsof -i tcp |
| 07:41.17 | ayambit | what's listening |
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| 07:44.57 | patrykr | sshd 3092 user 4u IPv4 7549 TCP host:5014 (LISTEN) |
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| 07:45.15 | DL7LN | good morning everyone! |
| 07:45.31 | DL7LN | i have a little problem with grub atm |
| 07:45.46 | patrykr | its not a problem of ssh, I'd try to open other ports and I can't |
| 07:45.48 | ayambit | now tell me your problem one more time, I joined only now |
| 07:46.23 | DL7LN | i'm using crypto-disks (luks) and copied a whole system from harddisk A to hdd B |
| 07:46.54 | DL7LN | i tried to bood with the new system, and grub wasn't able to find the drive i think. |
| 07:47.16 | DL7LN | i modified crypttab and fstab with the new UUIDs |
| 07:47.30 | simonlnu | patrykr: from remote host, nmap the host with the ports you want specified; should say something about it |
| 07:47.43 | simonlnu | patrykr: debian doesn't have a "firewall" by default |
| 07:47.53 | patrykr | maybe fail2ban is guilty? |
| 07:48.17 | patrykr | ports with I's try to open are closed |
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| 07:48.23 | DL7LN | i don't understand this line "search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set a5752078-df84-47ff-b112-dacc2fda1395" in the grub.cfg at all. i cannot find this UUID anywhere, not on the current system, neighter on the old one |
| 07:48.40 | WormFood | how is DL DVD burning support under Debian lately? Last time I tried to burn a DL DVD under Linux, I couldn't do it without commercial software....but that was a few years ago, maybe things have changed by now. |
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| 07:49.14 | simonlnu | patrykr: -I is insert, it gets inserted at the top; you want -A (append) usually, put them at the bottom |
| 07:49.51 | patrykr | simonlnu: I'd try: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 5014 -j ACCEPT |
| 07:50.02 | simonlnu | -I allows you to put them anywhere in the list |
| 07:50.33 | simonlnu | fail2ban won't do anything unless you give it a reason to do something |
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| 07:52.26 | fenugreek | WormFood: just fine |
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| 07:53.17 | fenugreek | I can't say burning DVDs is the most productive use of time lately, though |
| 07:53.20 | patrykr | simonlnu: with -I is no changes |
| 07:54.06 | patrykr | simonlnu: someone setup fail2ban before. How to check what it bloking |
| 07:54.33 | Captain_Haddock | Hi, I'm looking for some general advice. I current have a (CentOS) VPS running Plesk and have all my DNS requirements managed via it. I'm looking to migrate everything to my Debian VPS (sans control panel). Is there a recommended way to do this? |
| 07:54.42 | Captain_Haddock | <--- learning on the fly :| |
| 07:54.48 | simonlnu | nmap it.. nmap hostname_or_ip -p port[,port,port-range,...] |
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| 07:55.16 | simonlnu | good luck, ZZ time |
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| 08:04.02 | djszapi | Hi! How can I get the information of a file which package installed that onto my system ? |
| 08:04.24 | djszapi | dpkg -S ok |
| 08:04.24 | dpkg | Badgers ate my ok! |
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| 08:28.21 | Sephi-Chan | Hello |
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| 08:30.25 | Sephi-Chan | How can i know how much memory is used on my server ? |
| 08:30.41 | Sephi-Chan | (and by witch application) |
| 08:30.53 | omes | Sephi-Chan: man free |
| 08:30.59 | omes | Sephi-Chan: man ps |
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| 08:31.18 | Sephi-Chan | Cool thanks :) |
| 08:31.25 | omes | no problem |
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| 08:35.30 | fenugreek | it it weighs the same as a duck, it's a witch |
| 08:35.49 | tobiasBora | I've a BIG problem : yesterday, I've passed from lenny to squeeze, and the space storage of my disk was full. So I've delete the repertory /var/cache/apt/archives because I thaught that it was only a tmp folder. |
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| 08:36.35 | tobiasBora | But now I can't install any programme, nor update, because I've "E: archive directory /var... /partiel is missing. |
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| 08:37.26 | fenugreek | tobiasBora: what's the exact command you ran? |
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| 08:39.22 | tobiasBora | fenugreek, rm -R /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 08:39.29 | tobiasBora | with sudo |
| 08:40.43 | Sephi-Chan | In fact, even with free or top, i don't understand very well what program use RAM |
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| 08:40.48 | Sephi-Chan | It's not very clear for me |
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| 08:41.02 | patrykr | taiasBora: try mkdir /var/cache/apt/archvies/partial and touch /var/cache/apt/archives/lock |
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| 08:41.16 | patrykr | Sephi-Chan: try top command |
| 08:41.51 | patrykr | Sephi-Chan: you have collumn %MEM, there is a ram usage |
| 08:41.59 | Sephi-Chan | Yep but… it move :p |
| 08:42.12 | gnugr | Sephi-Chan: try " free -m " also |
| 08:42.15 | Sephi-Chan | Fuck… My server fall… |
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| 08:43.17 | Bushmills | Sephi-Chan: "how much mem..." all of it, ideally |
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| 08:43.53 | patrykr | tobiasBora: try mkdir /var/cache/apt/archvies/partial and touch /var/cache/apt/archives/lock |
| 08:45.09 | Bushmills | tobiasBora: aptitude clean removes those archives too |
| 08:45.44 | fenugreek | probably just delete the files and not the dir next time |
| 08:46.46 | gnugr | i bet his files are still in synaptic waiting for improvment |
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| 08:47.15 | tobiasBora | parrkr : no, it doesn't work... |
| 08:47.24 | patrykr | tobiasBora: chmod 320 /var/cache/apt/archies/lock chmod 731 /var/cache/apt/archives/partial |
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| 08:48.00 | Bushmills | Captain_Haddock: afaik, there is debootstrap avaiable for centos. may be a good start to chroot a debian system |
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| 08:48.30 | Bushmills | later you can, from an alternative boot system, move the chroot directories to / |
| 08:50.26 | tobiasBora | patrykr, it's a little bettern but i've "could not resolve" for all depots... |
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| 08:50.53 | patrykr | tobiasBora: try apt-get or aptitude upgrade |
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| 08:52.26 | tobiasBora | patrykr, with -f, it seem work, but how could I see the place that is restant on the disk ? |
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| 08:55.26 | tobiasBora | I think I'll make a re-install. |
| 08:55.46 | pmurias | i get http://paste.scsys.co.uk/100183 |
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| 08:57.08 | patrykr | pmurias: add deb-src http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates |
| 08:58.48 | tobiasBora | I would like to do an archive of 3 folder in my $HOME |
| 08:59.06 | tobiasBora | how could I use tar to say to use 3 folder and one file ? |
| 08:59.38 | niklaswe | 2 |
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| 09:00.45 | pmurias | patrykr: to where? |
| 09:01.50 | timo | tobiasBora: tar cfv package.tar dir1 dir2 dir3 |
| 09:02.02 | patrykr | sources.list |
| 09:02.06 | pmurias | doesn't help |
| 09:02.29 | patrykr | show your sources.list |
| 09:03.03 | tobiasBora | patrykr, I can't because it's on another computer... |
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| 09:03.39 | tobiasBora | timo : If I've used only cf is it ok or not ? |
| 09:04.10 | timo | tobiasBora: yes. 'v' just stands for verbose |
| 09:04.35 | tobiasBora | ok |
| 09:04.36 | pmurias | re http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110209, why do the keys expire every three years? |
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| 09:05.41 | pmurias | and how am i supposed to update them? |
| 09:05.42 | timo | pmurias: security reasons. doesn't leave too much time to crack the keys |
| 09:06.03 | pmurias | shouldn't the update to the new ones happen automatically? |
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| 09:07.31 | timo | I think you have to upgrade debian-archive-keyring |
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| 09:07.52 | tobiasBora | I would like to put a file in my usb key. |
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| 09:08.03 | tobiasBora | How could I mount it ? |
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| 09:08.09 | DelphiWorld | hello guys |
| 09:08.15 | DelphiWorld | i lost my debian path variable |
| 09:08.19 | DelphiWorld | can someone expoert it to me? |
| 09:08.19 | patrykr | I should mount automatcly |
| 09:08.24 | DelphiWorld | export* |
| 09:08.25 | zxd | heh |
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| 09:08.52 | DelphiWorld | zxd: :D |
| 09:09.03 | DelphiWorld | zxd: can you please export it to me? |
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| 09:10.22 | DelphiWorld | echo $path |
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| 09:10.33 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: path |
| 09:10.34 | dpkg | PATH is the environment variable that tells the OS where to look for programs. It is defined in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile (for sh-like shells) or ~/.login for csh-like shells. http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/sect_07_02.html |
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| 09:11.16 | patrykr | tobiasBora: you sould have it somewhere in /media/ |
| 09:11.31 | Bushmills | DelphiWorld: grep PATH /etc/profile |
| 09:12.15 | DelphiWorld | thank you too much buz |
| 09:12.25 | DelphiWorld | thank you too much Bushmills |
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| 09:12.58 | tobiasBora | it's not on media, it isn't mount (I'm not in graphical mode and I'm on a very old computer) |
| 09:13.05 | Bushmills | or, su - $USER |
| 09:13.34 | patrykr | tobiasBora: fdisk -l |
| 09:13.49 | patrykr | and mount it manualy |
| 09:14.01 | DelphiWorld | Bushmills: how do i export the path? |
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| 09:14.33 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.36 | tobiasBora | patrykr, my USB key doesn't appear |
| 09:15.23 | tobiasBora | it's only on hdc |
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| 09:16.26 | timo | tobiasBora: mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt/usb (or some another directory) |
| 09:17.47 | tobiasBora | timo : hdc1 is a windows partition no ? |
| 09:17.58 | tobiasBora | (for me), not USB ??? |
| 09:18.49 | timo | tobiasBora: well it depends on your setup, I assumed you found out that hdc points to your USB stick |
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| 09:20.44 | DelphiWorld | how do i cereate the partition file system after partitioning it? |
| 09:21.40 | Bushmills | DelphiWorld: mkfs<tab><tab> |
| 09:21.41 | sep | man mkfs |
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| 09:21.52 | DelphiWorld | Bushmills: :P |
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| 09:22.03 | DelphiWorld | Bushmills: mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdc1 |
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| 09:22.57 | Nu^253r | hi, i just installed, debian now, using net-instal cd |
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| 09:23.18 | tobiasBora | timo : the problem is that usb key isn't recognised... |
| 09:23.24 | Nu^253r | im a new convert, and was wondering where i can find the info on how to install xfce and stuff |
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| 09:23.31 | DelphiWorld | i am debootstraping a debian into a cf |
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| 09:23.35 | timo | tobiasBora: how old is your os exactly? |
| 09:23.48 | patrykr | tobiasBora: lsusb |
| 09:24.04 | tobiasBora | OS ? It's debian lenny-squezze... |
| 09:24.13 | timo | tobiasBora: and does anything appear in '/var/log/messages' or 'dmesg' when you plug your stick in? |
| 09:24.15 | tobiasBora | and my machine is old |
| 09:24.22 | Bushmills | !tell Nu^253r about aptitude |
| 09:25.06 | Nu^253r | thanx Bushmills |
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| 09:25.28 | tobiasBora | patrykr, when I tpe lsusb I've Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b: 0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub |
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| 09:25.49 | patrykr | tobiasBora: d you see your ubs stick there? |
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| 09:26.30 | tobiasBora | patrykr, I don't think it's my USB key... |
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| 09:27.16 | patrykr | tobiasBora: you should have name of your usb i |
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| 09:28.32 | foetus | what filesystem is the suggested one for an local debian mirror on a external USB-Harddisk ? |
| 09:28.34 | tobiasBora | YES ! I've plug my USB key in another place and now she is recognised ! |
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| 09:28.45 | patrykr | lol :P |
| 09:29.00 | patrykr | search it in media |
| 09:29.16 | foetus | *which, i mean |
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| 09:30.03 | foetus | is using ext2 this time.. |
| 09:31.08 | tobiasBora | I've mount manually, and copy the archive ! |
| 09:31.22 | tobiasBora | I'm trying to open in an other computer |
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| 09:32.07 | tobiasBora | yes, it work ! |
| 09:32.21 | tobiasBora | now, I'll install a new debian ! |
| 09:32.43 | foetus | any suggestions? |
| 09:33.10 | tobiasBora | thanks for your help ! |
| 09:34.04 | DelphiWorld | do debootstrap include the kernel? |
| 09:34.10 | Bushmills | nope |
| 09:34.23 | mick_laptop | anyone know how to press "F11" from a program? |
| 09:34.26 | DelphiWorld | Bushmills: shit... need a chroot then |
| 09:34.35 | Nu^253r | which should i install xor, or x11? |
| 09:34.40 | Nu^253r | im a n00b |
| 09:34.47 | mick_laptop | i mean - how to do that in python/perl/whatever |
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| 09:34.49 | Bushmills | Nu^253r: xorg |
| 09:35.01 | Nu^253r | thanx again Bushmills |
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| 09:35.59 | foetus | foetus again.. which filesystem is the suggested one for a local debian mirror on a external USB-Harddisk? |
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| 09:37.46 | Nanako | hi, help me please with installing apache from source, I've barely used linux (4years of Freebsd inb4). What do I need to compile sources (build-essential, autoconf, automake, etc.)? What is the current deb-src line for the sources.plist? (I've found only obsolete documentation on this) tldr: What to perform BEFORE ./configure && make && make install? |
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| 09:38.16 | foetus | ..in point of velocity and security, i mean.. |
| 09:39.08 | foetus | wonna change to ext3, don't know.. |
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| 09:39.52 | SURFkees | Do debian packages support conditional dependencies? |
| 09:40.02 | timo | Nanako: build-essential and dev libraries for whatever you're compiling |
| 09:40.03 | SURFkees | as in: package1 or package2 |
| 09:40.09 | foetus | but journalling on an usb-hd.. not sure. |
| 09:40.32 | Nanako | What is the current deb-src line for the sources.plist? |
| 09:40.34 | timo | Nanako: you can do 'aptitude build-dep <package>' to install build dependencies of <package> |
| 09:41.08 | timo | !tell Nanako about deb-src |
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| 09:41.33 | foetus | give it up |
| 09:41.36 | Nanako | oh, I forgot about the bot |
| 09:41.49 | DelphiWorld | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 09:41.52 | DelphiWorld | how do i specify fs? |
| 09:42.12 | timo | DelphiWorld: mount -t <fstype> |
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| 09:45.12 | casts | if you're trying to mount a supported filesystem, in what cases would mount fail to automagically select the correct -t? |
| 09:45.14 | Bushmills | foetus: bottleneck will most likely be usb, not file system |
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| 09:47.09 | DelphiWorld | is creating a debian compact flash |
| 09:47.30 | Bushmills | is creating a cup of tea |
| 09:47.48 | prem | hi when i try to open a zip, tar or any archive file over network., from a machine connected via samba or ssh., it is not openign proeply |
| 09:48.16 | prem | i have to copy that file locally and then onyl it works |
| 09:48.21 | prem | with lenny it was workign |
| 09:48.41 | prem | but with squeeze its not working now..what can be the raeson |
| 09:48.50 | casts | did you truss tar and see why it's failing? |
| 09:48.59 | casts | presuming it's error message wasn't useful |
| 09:49.08 | thinksteve | is creating an empty pot of coffee |
| 09:50.23 | prem | casts, it jus thorws "Incorrent command line" ., when i extract it remotely |
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| 09:52.35 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: kernel |
| 09:52.37 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20110427, mainline 2.6: 2.6.39-rc5, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.39-rc4-git9, stable 2.6.38: 2.6.38.4 , stable 2.6.37: 2.6.37.6 , stable 2.6.36: 2.6.36.4 , longterm 2.6.35: 2.6.35.12 , stable 2.6.35: 2.6.35.9 , longterm 2.6.34: 2.6.34.9 , longterm 2.6.33: 2.6.33.12 , longterm 2.6.32: 2.6.32.39 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.28 , longterm 2.6.27: 2.6.27.58 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.57 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.11 |
| 09:53.20 | DelphiWorld | what's the cutrrently used version of kernel in debian6? |
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| 09:55.10 | varan123 | test |
| 09:55.43 | knfbny | in my debian installation im logged in as root over SSH, is there a way i can 'demote' my access to that of a standard user account? i dont know the passwd of that account and i dont want to change it .. kinda the opposite of doing an "su" i guess |
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| 09:56.10 | varan123 | How can I write continous 'a' into a partition? dd if=? |
| 09:56.15 | ansgar | knfbny: man su |
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| 09:57.04 | Shadur | God dammit I'd forgotten how much I hate postgres' insistence on fricking ident to authenticate a the root user on a clean install. |
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| 09:57.34 | knfbny | ansgar; cool, thanks very much .. i didnt realise you could actually do su in reverse :P |
| 09:57.44 | mooele | Does apt-get remove {package} remove all it's dependencies as well? |
| 09:57.48 | foetus | ah Bushmills, was been absent :) - well, but i fear the journalling by using ext3.. |
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| 09:58.08 | timo | mooele: no |
| 09:58.24 | mooele | timo, how would I go abotu removing deps as well? |
| 09:58.25 | mooele | purge? |
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| 09:59.04 | timo | mooele: personally I used debfoster for that, but there's probably a switch for that in apt-get or aptitude |
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| 10:00.22 | foetus | could sing a song about problems with usb .. resetting..resetting |
| 10:00.24 | timo | mooele: 'apt-get autoremove' seems to be what you're looking for |
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| 10:00.45 | timo | mooele: 'purge' means that apt-get will also remove the configuration files |
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| 10:01.25 | foetus | will use ext3 |
| 10:01.39 | mooele | timo, I see |
| 10:01.46 | foetus | hope, it works.. |
| 10:01.49 | mooele | timo, yes, I really despise gnash and wish it died |
| 10:01.55 | mooele | so i'd like to remove it and any of its homo counterparts |
| 10:02.34 | foetus | mirror copied. sounds not bad.. |
| 10:02.43 | elkclone | just dont flush your iptables. |
| 10:03.15 | foetus | must free resources.. |
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| 10:06.50 | mooele | ok, another question |
| 10:06.52 | mooele | kde or gnome? |
| 10:06.57 | mooele | any preference and if so why |
| 10:07.46 | Bushmills | mooele: openbox. fluxbox. |
| 10:08.04 | Bushmills | fluxbox because of tabbed windows |
| 10:08.42 | Bushmills | though compiz offers those as well |
| 10:09.19 | mooele | those are minimalistic work environments though, not Desktop Environments |
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| 10:09.28 | varan123 | I want to search within a partition for values != 0. (and write them to a file) How can I do that? |
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| 10:09.59 | Bushmills | no. those are window managers |
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| 10:11.21 | hurdman | hi |
| 10:11.23 | claint | varan123: values of what? |
| 10:11.54 | hurdman | i have an error when i try to user nbd-client on |
| 10:11.59 | hurdman | 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 |
| 10:12.13 | varan123 | Any value !=0. At start I wrote dev/zero to the partiton. Than another programs changes the partition, know I want to see the content. |
| 10:12.45 | hurdman | it says my module isn't loaded but it is loaded /o\ |
| 10:13.23 | claint | varan123: ah ok, you mean the values of individual bits in the partition. |
| 10:13.59 | varan123 | claint: yes |
| 10:14.31 | Bushmills | claint: dd ... | hexdump -C |
| 10:15.07 | Bushmills | alternatively, | od |
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| 10:15.21 | Bushmills | or | hd |
| 10:17.32 | varan123 | Bushmills: I try it. Is there a way to write all bytes !=0 to a file? |
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| 10:20.00 | varan123 | Or lets say copy all 512 byte blocks that contain at least one value !=0 to a file. |
| 10:20.03 | Bushmills | what so you want to display instead of the zeroes? just skip them? |
| 10:20.45 | varan123 | yes. to what the program has left behind. |
| 10:21.08 | varan123 | To see what the programm has left behind. |
| 10:21.30 | Bushmills | i suppose - if you don't mind the then incorrect file offset on the left, you could dd ... | hexdump -b|sed "s/000/ /g" |
| 10:22.34 | Bushmills | there'll be spaces where zeroes were before. if you don't need to know where those were, |hexdump -b|sed "s/000//g" |
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| 10:23.56 | varan123 | MY hope is to see some strings. I will try it. Thansk :) |
| 10:24.03 | Bushmills | well, make that |sed "s/ 000//g" |
| 10:24.16 | Bushmills | oh. strings. dd ... | strings |
| 10:24.54 | Bushmills | funny how people ask one thing when they actually want something entirely different |
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| 10:25.52 | Nu^253r | is there a way to recover a partiotin that has had its partition type change? |
| 10:25.55 | kgoetz | Bushmills: i believe the bot even has an !xy for that |
| 10:25.58 | Nu^253r | from ext3 to ext4? |
| 10:26.26 | casts | does partition type actually matter? |
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| 10:26.53 | casts | [unrelated to Nu^253r, who i think is asking something else] |
| 10:27.10 | Bushmills | Nu^253r: fdisk allows you to set partition type to whatever you like |
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| 10:27.34 | Bushmills | those don't relate to file system, created on the partition. |
| 10:27.37 | Nu^253r | i want to get my data back Bushmills is that possible?! |
| 10:27.48 | Bushmills | no idea. how is it lost? |
| 10:27.59 | Nu^253r | i was installing debian |
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| 10:28.12 | Nu^253r | and changed my /home drive fs type to ext4 |
| 10:28.17 | casts | uh oh... |
| 10:28.33 | Nu^253r | i couldnt get it back with testdisk |
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| 10:28.56 | casts | did photorec recover anything? |
| 10:29.02 | Bushmills | so a new file system was created on the partition which used to be you home directory? |
| 10:29.11 | Nu^253r | yes Bushmills |
| 10:29.18 | mooele | ouch |
| 10:29.24 | Nu^253r | it changed the fs type |
| 10:29.28 | mooele | does it zero out the drive when it does a format? |
| 10:29.32 | Bushmills | restoring from backup is the easiest thing to do |
| 10:29.34 | casts | mooele: nah, |
| 10:29.38 | mooele | then you should be ok |
| 10:29.42 | Nu^253r | idnt have a backup |
| 10:29.43 | Nu^253r | :s |
| 10:29.49 | casts | mooele: you mean he /may/ be ok |
| 10:29.53 | mooele | oh |
| 10:29.53 | Bushmills | then your data wasn't important |
| 10:29.53 | mooele | sorry ) |
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| 10:30.09 | mooele | Bushmills, tell that to my ex-office who refused to spend money on data backups :) |
| 10:30.12 | Bushmills | don't bother trying to restore unimportant data |
| 10:30.16 | Nu^253r | it was Bushmills but who cares now |
| 10:30.19 | mooele | building had a fire they lost everything and went belly up :) |
| 10:30.22 | Nu^253r | im gonna start over again |
| 10:30.25 | Nu^253r | :) |
| 10:30.28 | Bushmills | ok, you may quote me |
| 10:31.49 | Bushmills | Nu^253r: dd if=/dev/yourpartition | hd .... there is your data |
| 10:31.50 | mooele | I'm going to put you on my quotes of shame :) |
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| 10:32.38 | Bushmills | actually, hd /dev/yourpartition |
| 10:32.58 | Nu^253r | oh ok ill try it thanx |
| 10:33.08 | Nu^253r | im installing xorg on it at the mo |
| 10:33.15 | mooele | do yourself a favor |
| 10:33.16 | Nu^253r | i hope that wont do anything to it |
| 10:33.21 | mooele | and write as little to that drive as possible |
| 10:33.28 | mooele | putting more data on that drive will mes shit up |
| 10:33.41 | mooele | partition rather |
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| 10:33.59 | Bushmills | but .. how those chunks of data belong together, is anyone's guess |
| 10:34.48 | Bushmills | if there's a lot of text you want to recover, strings /dev/yourpartition may be useful |
| 10:34.52 | Nu^253r | how do i use hd? |
| 10:35.04 | Nu^253r | i just saw a hexdump on my screen |
| 10:35.15 | Bushmills | it is a program. it dumps data in readable form |
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| 10:35.30 | Bushmills | well, yes. that hexdump is your hard disk |
| 10:35.37 | mooele | yes :) |
| 10:35.42 | mooele | it'll dump everything from your HD |
| 10:35.48 | mooele | starting from the very first segment |
| 10:35.50 | claint | i never used hexdump to backup stuff... |
| 10:35.53 | mooele | or that partition |
| 10:36.13 | mooele | you may want to get a more "user friendly" program if you arent familiar with |
| 10:36.14 | mooele | it |
| 10:36.15 | tobiasBora | Hi ! |
| 10:36.20 | mooele | a lot of programs out there that can recover data |
| 10:36.32 | claint | prefers rsync. |
| 10:36.46 | Nu^253r | testdisk couldnt find anthing mooele |
| 10:36.47 | mooele | rsync for backups? |
| 10:36.51 | tobiasBora | I'm looking for command to convert the images in .eps from .jpg (for latex) |
| 10:36.58 | mooele | i use to have bacula do rsync backups |
| 10:36.59 | tobiasBora | do you know this command ? |
| 10:36.59 | Nu^253r | is there anything else u know of? |
| 10:37.19 | claint | moole: personal backups. everything else goes in images or whatever. |
| 10:38.05 | mooele | jah |
| 10:38.07 | mooele | but of coruse |
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| 10:38.10 | mooele | berb |
| 10:38.52 | tobiasBora | in fact, convert is very good ! |
| 10:39.15 | cannotupload | squeeze can't upload file to any website, can't post topics in any forums, but download normally, any one help me? |
| 10:39.39 | fenugreek | tobiasBora: JPEG to EPS? |
| 10:39.46 | fenugreek | tobiasBora: that would serve little purpose |
| 10:39.55 | Bushmills | cannotupload: try a web browser instead |
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| 10:40.26 | cannotupload | Bushmills: i tried firefox and chrome, both failed |
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| 10:40.55 | Bushmills | oh, i understood you were trying to upload with a program called "squeeze" |
| 10:41.15 | tobiasBora | fenugreek, yes, jpg to EPS, because latex can't use easly .jpg... I found convert. |
| 10:41.19 | themill | tobiasBora: what format are you trying to produce with latex? (dvi, ps, pdf?) |
| 10:41.20 | cannotupload | Bushmills: no , i mean i am using debian 6 |
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| 10:41.38 | tobiasBora | themill, dvi with latex file.tex |
| 10:41.58 | Bushmills | i suppose your problem is with your web browsers, or you accounts |
| 10:42.03 | claint | cannotupload: firefox and chrome work fine for me. |
| 10:42.42 | cannotupload | Bushmills: OK ,i will try opera |
| 10:42.52 | fenugreek | I have trouble believing latex can't use an eps |
| 10:42.58 | Bushmills | maybe your had password completion before and your new installation doesn't know your web passwords |
| 10:43.28 | cannotupload | claint: i think it's not relate to brower |
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| 10:43.44 | mooele | once you go SSD you never go back |
| 10:43.53 | mooele | i cant stand my old drives now |
| 10:44.00 | cannotupload | i can upload under winxp quite normally |
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| 10:44.47 | Bushmills | cannotupload: how about trying to figure out the reason for not being able to upload? |
| 10:45.43 | themill | tobiasBora: then yeah, you're probably looking at using something like "convert" from imagemagick to do this, but beware that the resulting files will be *huge*. (Can you work in PDF format with pdflatex? that's a lot more flexible when it comes to figures) |
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| 10:46.06 | cannotupload | Bushmills: i know hardly anything about those ppps pppoe or lo |
| 10:46.27 | Bushmills | if you can download, those aren't the problem |
| 10:46.27 | claint | mooele: looks like they haven't been getting cheaper fast enough though. |
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| 10:46.30 | cannotupload | Bushmills: so really don't know where i should start |
| 10:46.31 | tobiasBora | themill, I think I can work in pdf yes... |
| 10:46.45 | mooele | claint, lol check this out: |
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| 10:46.54 | Bushmills | for example, by reading error messages, when you try to post to a forum |
| 10:47.02 | mooele | claint: /dev/sda1: |
| 10:47.02 | mooele | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:47.35 | themill | tobiasBora: pdflatex can include png, pdf and jpg images directly. It *can't* include eps images but epstopdf from texlive-font-utils does a good job. |
| 10:47.39 | laurento | hi all |
| 10:48.02 | cannotupload | Bushmills: the circle on the tab of firefox just keep rotateing, and it freezed there |
| 10:48.04 | laurento | how can I force 10baseT-HD for a statically configured if in interfaces? |
| 10:48.12 | laurento | the man says "driver dependant" |
| 10:48.24 | laurento | I'm using 8139too |
| 10:48.27 | tobiasBora | themill : personnate discution about latex please ? |
| 10:48.44 | themill | tobiasBora: please keep support questions in the channel, that way when I get called off to do something else, others will be able to help you. For generic latex questions, #latex is usually quite good but sometimes takes a little while to reply. |
| 10:49.16 | tobiasBora | so I'm going in #latex |
| 10:50.16 | claint | mooele: isn't that prefetch result? seems faster than SSD. |
| 10:51.02 | Bushmills | cannotupload: install mtr, then do mtr the.site.you.try.to.upload and look whether the numbers in the "Loss%" column stay low, or even zero. |
| 10:51.41 | cannotupload | Bushmills: ok i'll do it |
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| 10:52.57 | mooele | claint, nay |
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| 10:53.16 | foetus | foetus is using ext2 for extarnal hd now..speed is impressive |
| 10:53.29 | laurento | so what's the format for the "media" param in the network/interfaces file? |
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| 10:54.32 | foetus | *external |
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| 10:56.05 | ealexp | hi |
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| 10:56.58 | boudiccas | ealexp, hello |
| 10:57.00 | ealexp | I would like to know if there was any way to make acct and lastcomm to log not only the command but also its arguments |
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| 10:57.47 | tobiasBora | I've installed a new version of debian and when I tape "sudo ..." I've "sudo : commande introuvable" ??? |
| 10:58.10 | tobiasBora | I've to install sudo ? |
| 10:58.18 | claint | mooele: damn. What brand is it? |
| 10:58.22 | fenugreek | tobiasBora: why're you typing sudo ... ? |
| 10:58.40 | tweek_ | tobiasBora: if you want you use it, yes, but you can also use su |
| 10:58.41 | Bushmills | tobiasBora: no, you don't have to. you can ask your system administrator to do it for you. |
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| 10:59.20 | tobiasBora | fenugreek, because I would like use sudo apt-get update ^^ |
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| 10:59.38 | tweek_ | tobiasBora: type su, then enter password, then apt-get ... |
| 11:00.01 | fenugreek | tobiasBora: that sudo nonsense is an Ubuntu thing, you have to configure it yourself in Debian if you want silliness like that, IIRC |
| 11:00.17 | themill | (there's nothing silly about sudo) |
| 11:00.20 | tobiasBora | tweek_, tu problem with su is that I'm connecting in a root session. Before I could use sudo without connecting with su ! |
| 11:00.48 | tobiasBora | fenugreek, but with the lenny version, when I tape "sudo", it work ! |
| 11:00.59 | fenugreek | themill: about not making non-root users know the root password to do anything root can do |
| 11:01.02 | tweek_ | tobiasBora: um, ...what do you mean by "connect"? |
| 11:01.17 | tobiasBora | tweek : log in ? |
| 11:01.36 | themill | fenugreek: that's a local configuration issue. There's nothing silly about sudo itself. |
| 11:01.43 | fenugreek | tobiasBora: http://wiki.debian.org/sudo wouldn't waste your time |
| 11:01.43 | tweek_ | tobiasBora: if you're logged in as root, you don't need sudo at all |
| 11:01.49 | fenugreek | themill: and I didn't say there was =) |
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| 11:02.10 | tobiasBora | tweek : when I tape sudo I'm connect just for one command and it's better for security no ? |
| 11:02.34 | SURFkees | Is there a way to see how apt-get handles it's dependencies? For example, I want to see how it decides if a dependency is met or not |
| 11:02.35 | tweek_ | tobiasBora: you could also do su -c 'apt-get ...' |
| 11:02.37 | themill | fenugreek: and requiring the root password isn't an advantage but certainly presents many disadvantages. (You can always configure sudo to ask for the root password instead of the user password should you really want that) |
| 11:02.38 | tweek_ | see man su for more |
| 11:02.53 | fenugreek | themill: that isn't the point |
| 11:03.00 | Bushmills | tobiasBora: "in a root session.." so if you're root already, you need neither sudo nor su |
| 11:03.01 | tobiasBora | tweek ; su -c '...' is longer to tape than sudo |
| 11:03.05 | themill | fenugreek: then you don't seem to have one at all |
| 11:03.14 | fenugreek | Ubuntu essentially has merged non-root and root |
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| 11:03.31 | tweek_ | tobiasBora: then you will have to install sudo, and add your user to the sudoers list |
| 11:03.36 | themill | SURFkees: well the package that is depended upon is either installed or not. What are you trying to do? |
| 11:03.41 | tobiasBora | bushmill : I don't want to log in in root because of security. I'm quoting : "Using sudo is better (safer) than opening a session as root for a number of reasons, including: " |
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| 11:04.26 | SURFkees | themill: the package depended upon has to be a specific version or higher. I've created a package and apt-get thinks it's installed, but it isn't |
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| 11:04.55 | themill | tobiasBora: if you want a simple configuration like that, then "aptitude install sudo; adduser your_username sudo". If you want more sophisticated, then look at "man 5 sudoers". |
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| 11:05.23 | themill | SURFkees: you created an actual debian package and installed it? or just installed from source locally? |
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| 11:06.18 | SURFkees | I've created an actual debian package and tried to simulate an install via apt-get install -s. It didn't show the dependency being upgraded to the newer version even though it depends on the higher version |
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| 11:06.44 | oznt | hi everyone |
| 11:06.51 | fenugreek | tobiasBora: it's safer because you're supposed to configure it so only a handful of specific commands are executable as super user |
| 11:06.57 | fenugreek | oznt: hi |
| 11:07.08 | themill | SURFkees: can you please put some relevant output in a pastebin for us? It's hard to play hypotheticals on irc. /msg dpkg bat |
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| 11:09.10 | oznt | i am stuck with an nerve breaking vim problem. Syntax highlight for comments works correctly in TMUX but not in XTERM |
| 11:09.26 | oznt | highlight Comment ctermbg=black ctermfg=cyan is in my .vimrc |
| 11:10.33 | SURFkees | themill: http://pastebin.com/2d8Pbs0E |
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| 11:10.58 | casts | oznt: ask in #vim |
| 11:11.03 | claint | oznt: perhaps #vim channell... |
| 11:11.37 | oznt | it is silent as grave yard there ... |
| 11:11.55 | fenugreek | oznt: it's 7am |
| 11:11.57 | petemc | oznt: what does echo $TERM say in each? |
| 11:12.11 | themill | fenugreek: do you know that they world is round? |
| 11:12.23 | sonic | fenugreek: ever heard of timezones? |
| 11:12.36 | themill | SURFkees: please tell me that you're not trying to mix ubuntu and lenny there |
| 11:12.37 | fenugreek | themill: spheroid, sure |
| 11:12.38 | fenugreek | sonic: yes |
| 11:12.43 | fenugreek | and now I will blow your mind |
| 11:12.54 | oznt | echo in xterm -> xterm, echo in tmux -> screen |
| 11:12.58 | fenugreek | most native English speakers are in the USA |
| 11:13.08 | fenugreek | most useful tech people on IRC are on the east coast of the USA |
| 11:13.13 | fenugreek | it's 7am, they're only just awakening |
| 11:13.17 | jelly-home | how does one tell native speakers from second language ones? |
| 11:13.41 | sonic | lots of europeans speak very good english, and here in england it's 12pm |
| 11:13.54 | fenugreek | jelly-home: with a fair amount of pretentiousness, I'd imagine |
| 11:14.01 | fenugreek | sonic: I believe you |
| 11:14.04 | fenugreek | lots isn't most =) |
| 11:14.18 | petemc | oznt: try changing to xterm-color |
| 11:14.27 | oznt | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:14.32 | oznt | petemc, thanks |
| 11:14.36 | themill | fenugreek: you really have so little clue about the world. But that was evident from your US-centric comments to begin with. |
| 11:15.07 | petemc | np |
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| 11:15.28 | fenugreek | centrism hasn't anything to do with it |
| 11:15.32 | SURFkees | themill: Not on a single system. I'm merely trying to build 1 package that will work on both ubuntu and debian |
| 11:16.37 | themill | SURFkees: ahh. The actual control file from the package might be useful to see. You might also find help in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net (a channel primarily for getting packages into shape for inclusion in the debian archive, but you'll get third-party-package support there too, often) |
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| 11:19.52 | jelly-home | wonders why showpkg shows enum-like values instead of ==, >=, >> etc on versioned deps |
| 11:21.00 | SURFkees | themill: http://pastebin.com/7U2PPVsX. I will check out that irc channel as well. |
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| 11:22.49 | cannotupload | mtr implies a hostname "???" what does it mean |
| 11:23.51 | petemc | cannotupload: what are you trying to do? |
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| 11:25.43 | cannotupload | petemc: i can't upload any file to any site |
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| 11:26.13 | Internat | cannotupload ??? means that the ip doesnt resolve to a hostname |
| 11:26.36 | cannotupload | petemc: say forums.debian.net I try mtr forums.debian.net and ??? apears |
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| 11:27.21 | petemc | cannotupload: you mean it doesnt show the name of some hops? thats no big deal |
| 11:27.43 | petemc | cannotupload: im not sure what this has to do with uploading, you're being very vague |
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| 11:28.08 | cannotupload | petemc: the big deal is there is lots of loss |
| 11:28.24 | cannotupload | petemc: the ??? line have 100% loss |
| 11:28.37 | petemc | probably not much you can do about that |
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| 11:29.09 | petemc | complain to your isp |
| 11:29.23 | cannotupload | petemc: how can i fix the can't upload bug? |
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| 11:29.51 | cannotupload | petemc: can't even post topics on forums |
| 11:30.05 | petemc | i have no idea what you're trying to do, but if you have a flaky internet connection thats probably the problem |
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| 11:31.10 | cannotupload | petemc: i think it's coz of my configuration , i can upload files and post topic under xp quite normally |
| 11:31.33 | petemc | i dont think im going to be able to help you |
| 11:31.47 | cannotupload | petemc: thanks |
| 11:32.01 | ompaul | petemc: pm |
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| 11:32.23 | petemc | ompaul: ? |
| 11:32.27 | petemc | ah |
| 11:32.36 | ompaul | I'm slow with the enter key ;-) |
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| 11:36.34 | DelphiWorld | guys |
| 11:36.42 | DelphiWorld | how do i auto start something while booting up? |
| 11:37.29 | nkuttler | !tell DelphiWorld about init.d |
| 11:37.31 | tweek_ | DelphiWorld: either add an init script or add it TO an initscript, usually /etc/rc.local |
| 11:38.08 | tweek_ | ...for random little things |
| 11:38.23 | Bushmills | or with a @reboot line in crontab |
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| 11:39.17 | tweek_ | dpkg: tell DelphiWorld about rc.local |
| 11:39.21 | Bushmills | up script for an interface can also be a place |
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| 11:40.20 | DelphiWorld | tweek_: thx :P |
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| 11:44.12 | DelphiWorld | tweek_: i have my digital music player right now :) |
| 11:44.15 | DelphiWorld | in alix board |
| 11:44.19 | DelphiWorld | through voyage linux |
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| 11:46.36 | Caesium- | hi there |
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| 11:48.30 | Caesium- | i'll tried to get chinese chars working on my squeeze box but i failed. i installed all locales and using en_US-utf8 but i cant display japanese chars in console and in x11 as well |
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| 11:49.25 | tobiasBora | Hello ! |
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| 11:50.42 | tobiasBora | I saw, but i don't know where, that in squeeze the "conseilled paquets" (do you understand ?) are installed by defaut. But me I've not a lot of space disk so I don't want this option. How desactive it ? |
| 11:51.29 | dvs | ??? |
| 11:51.39 | Caesium- | ah i found a solution :) |
| 11:52.20 | tweek_ | does that maybe mean 'recommended packages'? |
| 11:52.48 | tobiasBora | tweek_, yes it's that thanks ! |
| 11:53.24 | tobiasBora | So how don't use the function who installed the recommended packages ? |
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| 11:55.23 | tweek_ | tobiasBora: man aptitude says you can use 'aptitude --without-recommends' |
| 11:55.38 | ayambit | I've got one debian installation on which dns names do not resolve to ip's at all. |
| 11:55.52 | ayambit | I tried different DNS servers, even 8.8.8.8 |
| 11:55.58 | ayambit | Still no luck. |
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| 11:56.11 | tobiasBora | I found http://www.bramschoenmakers.nl/en/node/734 |
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| 11:56.30 | ayambit | And even more, if I do dig @8.8.8.8 google.com dig says that server is not found. |
| 11:56.31 | tobiasBora | tweek_, I don't know if I have to use aptitude or apt-get... |
| 11:56.40 | ayambit | I just don't understand this. |
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| 11:57.22 | ayambit | I can ping 8.8.8.8 but can't resolve. |
| 11:57.27 | tweek_ | tobiasBora: have to? you are free to do what you want :-) but both will install packages, if that's what you want |
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| 11:58.21 | tobiasBora | tweek_, yes ^^ |
| 11:58.42 | tweek_ | tobiasBora: btw, apt-get will take that option too |
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| 11:59.38 | tweek_ | tobiasBora: no wait, with apt-get, it's --no-install-recommends |
| 11:59.41 | tobiasBora | tweek_, ok, I've edit a file and it works. Thanks ! |
| 12:00.09 | tobiasBora | I've done http://www.bramschoenmakers.nl/en/node/734 and it's work ^^ |
| 12:01.09 | tweek_ | tobiasBora: ah ok, that's better if you want it permanent |
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| 12:02.51 | filePeter | Is there a software that can display a png from stdin? Kuickshow does not seem to do so… Maybe some simple x-program? |
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| 12:04.15 | filePeter | Found it. „gm display -“ works fine |
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| 12:09.49 | tobiasBora | I would like to know if it is possible to log all xterm in one command ? Because it's long to tape pseudo and password at every console... |
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| 12:11.57 | claint | ayambit: it is probably something simpler. check your connections, your path to 8.8.8.8, etc. |
| 12:12.33 | ayambit | claint: i can ping 8.8.8.8 and stuff. |
| 12:12.48 | ayambit | hmm. |
| 12:12.51 | ayambit | I just dunno. |
| 12:13.05 | tobiasBora | Is it possible ? |
| 12:13.09 | claint | ayambit: see if port 53 on 8.8.8.8 is active. |
| 12:13.15 | claint | ayambit: it should be. |
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| 12:14.01 | ayambit | claint: how do I check it? I can't with telnet cause it'll be tcp connection. |
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| 12:14.08 | ayambit | How do I check udp port? |
| 12:14.37 | claint | ayambit: dns is both udp and tcp. |
| 12:14.58 | claint | ayambit: so check the tcp. |
| 12:15.01 | Bushmills | tobiasBora: why do you have to bother with passwords? |
| 12:15.18 | thewanderer1 | ayambit: got nmap? also, netcat can connect over UDP, but it's tricky to type DNS requests :P |
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| 12:15.44 | babilen | tobiasBora: Are you perhaps looking for "script" ? → "man 1 script" |
| 12:15.52 | Bushmills | dig is good tool to test remote name servers |
| 12:16.18 | Bushmills | (dig from dnsutils) |
| 12:16.50 | tobiasBora | Bushmills, In fact, I work maily in tty. But It's long to tape login+passwd CTRL-ALT-F2 login+pswd ATRL-ALT-F3 pswd etc... |
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| 12:18.05 | babilen | tobiasBora: Ah, sorry. Log into multiple ttys in one command is what you after :) |
| 12:18.15 | claint | tobiasBora: or use screen. |
| 12:18.31 | Bushmills | tobiasBora: a getty usually allows you to specifiy alternative login program |
| 12:19.20 | tobiasBora | claint : screen ? What's it ? A programme or you speak about X ? |
| 12:19.51 | tobiasBora | Bushmills, what's a "getty" ? |
| 12:19.52 | babilen | tobiasBora: Screen is a terminal multiplexer -- Take a look at it! You might also be interested in tmux :) |
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| 12:20.22 | Bushmills | tobiasBora: that's what sits on your tty, and calls login which asks you "login:" |
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| 12:23.07 | Nanako | I've downloaded sources of apache2 (apt-get source apache2-worker-mpm), then I've made ./configure (with some options) and make && make install, however there is no apache2 in packages list, service apache2 doesn't work, there is no /etc/apache2, nothing in /usr/sbin, what I have missed? |
| 12:23.45 | boudiccas | Nanako, why are you downloading the source, whats wrong with using the rpm for it? |
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| 12:23.53 | dvs | rpm? |
| 12:24.03 | thewanderer1 | rotfls per minute |
| 12:24.20 | dvs | heh |
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| 12:24.34 | boudiccas | sorry! wrong window! i thought i was back on Centos! :( |
| 12:24.40 | Nanako | i need it build from source |
| 12:24.49 | thewanderer1 | Nanako: the answer is: you don't build packages this way. the simplest is to call `debian/rules` instead... |
| 12:24.50 | themill | !wayttd Nanako |
| 12:24.50 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Nanako? |
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| 12:25.15 | babilen | !package recompile |
| 12:25.15 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <apt-get source>. |
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| 12:25.35 | abrotman | Nanako: why do you need to build it from source? |
| 12:25.35 | patrykr | I cant open port. I'd try iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 5014 -j ACCEPT |
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| 12:26.16 | Nanako | dpkg: everything is done |
| 12:26.16 | dpkg | Nanako: okay |
| 12:26.19 | thewanderer1 | patrykr: rules are evaluated linearly. if you have a DROP or REJECT rule BEFORE the ACCEPT rule, it won't work |
| 12:26.27 | Nanako | and there is apache in /usr/local/apache2 |
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| 12:26.46 | igor_ | hi i have intel gma 950 video how can i make resolution higher , by default is 1024 x 600 but in windows it is higher |
| 12:26.47 | babilen | dpkg: forget everything |
| 12:26.47 | dpkg | i forgot everything, babilen |
| 12:26.54 | dvs | yikes! |
| 12:26.58 | babilen | heh |
| 12:26.58 | Nanako | I'm used Freebsd for a couple of years |
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| 12:27.30 | Nanako | I just want ot switch to apache and i need special configuration for it, so i need it built from source |
| 12:27.46 | Nanako | aah, switch to debian, my mistake |
| 12:27.49 | thewanderer1 | Nanako: and you need to build it from source to get a custom config? |
| 12:27.57 | Nanako | exactly |
| 12:29.03 | tobiasBora | I'll look at screen after. |
| 12:29.08 | Bushmills | tobiasBora: i suppose you can respawn shells from inittab, instead of getty, for instant password-free console |
| 12:29.21 | babilen | Nanako: It might be a good idea to tell us what you are trying to achieve as there might be a better way to achieve it. That being said, the procedure to recompile a Debian package has been outlined by dpkg above. Also ask dpkg about <debian/rules> |
| 12:29.38 | patrykr | thewanderer1: how to move my iptables entry before reject rule? |
| 12:29.44 | Nanako | i ve already got two servers running freebsd with my own setup, but my new hosting provider doesn't have freebsd as an option |
| 12:29.49 | babilen | tobiasBora: I would still recommend to take a look at tmux and screen -- /msg dpkg tmux ; /msg dpkg screen |
| 12:29.51 | thewanderer1 | patrykr: use -I instead of -A to insert as the first one |
| 12:30.00 | patrykr | thx |
| 12:30.00 | thewanderer1 | (capital i, not small L) |
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| 12:30.38 | patrykr | thewanderer1: it works thx |
| 12:31.03 | igor_ | someone can help me , how can i make my resolution, because i can't see all the buttons on my display, higest resolution is 1024 x 600 can i do something |
| 12:31.22 | Nanako | I need apache2 with alias deflate expires log_config logio reqtimeout and nothing else, then postgresql, mod_wsgi, python, varnish, trac and gitosis |
| 12:31.37 | Nanako | and everything jailed/chrooted |
| 12:31.39 | thewanderer1 | igor_: if you're on a device which is physically limited to 1024x600 (netbooks etc.) you can't do anything... |
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| 12:32.01 | igor_ | yes i am on a netbook |
| 12:32.19 | thewanderer1 | Nanako: chroot is of questionable security, but do as you please... I recommend OpenVZ instead of chroot |
| 12:32.49 | babilen | Nanako: And why can't you achieve that with the Apache packages in Debian? |
| 12:32.52 | tobiasBora | Just, I would like to use a very small X interface. I've tested lxde, and I would like test other... |
| 12:33.13 | Nanako | that's VERY questionable, i've got used to jail in freebsd and chroot really can't match it |
| 12:33.23 | tobiasBora | And for screen and tmux, I'll see later because I've not a lot of time |
| 12:34.22 | thewanderer1 | igor_: try using Alt+mouse to move windows around - works under KDE/GNOME |
| 12:34.37 | babilen | tobiasBora: Well, XFCE is not really small. If you want a desktop environment I would recommend to take a look at LXDE as well. If that is still too heavy you have to look into some of the window managers. I recommend fluxbox, awesomewm, dwm (compiled from their source), xmonad and e17 for a good overview. |
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| 12:34.44 | Bushmills | igor_: pick smaller fonts, window manager with tiny decoration, configure your programs such that little screen real estate is wasted for static things like tool bars, status lines etc |
| 12:34.54 | Nanako | that's what i'd like to achieve: http://pastebin.com/pPTYyFHg, if you can tell me, how i can do it with packages that will be great |
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| 12:35.43 | thewanderer1 | Nanako: debian/rules is basically like a makefile - you can edit it and only mark modules you need |
| 12:35.44 | igor_ | thewanderer1 i'v tried but on some programs i cant prees ok or cancel buttons |
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| 12:36.06 | babilen | Nanako: I am sure you can edit the debian/rules file to your liking in order to built such a stripped down package. Is it really necessary to *exclude* all these from the built? |
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| 12:36.13 | tobiasBora | babilen ; I use lxde not xfce. And for windows manager, we have to install for exemple flubox, I've to installed lxde ? |
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| 12:36.27 | Bushmills | igor_: alt key with left mouse button is frequently preconfigured to moving a window around with the mouse |
| 12:36.30 | fenugreek | lxde should dep in openbox |
| 12:36.32 | babilen | tobiasBora: I don't understand your question :-\ |
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| 12:36.43 | Nanako | !tell Nanako about debian/rules |
| 12:36.44 | igor_ | Bushmills i'v tried , it works in same cases but on some programs it , dosen't work |
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| 12:37.03 | babilen | Nanako: /msg dpkg debian/rules ;) |
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| 12:37.13 | sh4rm4 | how can i tell debian to make my ifconfig settings persistent ? |
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| 12:37.26 | thewanderer1 | sh4rm4: man interfaces |
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| 12:37.37 | sh4rm4 | kthx |
| 12:37.45 | babilen | sh4rm4: Edit /etc/network/interfaces to your liking -- See "man 5 interfaces" |
| 12:37.54 | Nanako | I forgot the bot's name XD |
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| 12:38.22 | thewanderer1 | igor_: maybe they're full screen? use your window manager's features to control the windows - for example, on the task bar there should be clickable miniatures, with "move" option etc. |
| 12:38.26 | babilen | Nanako: No problem, just wanted to let you know |
| 12:38.29 | tobiasBora | babilen : lxde is a graphical interphace. You talk about fluxbox as windows manager. To install fluxbox, we have to install lxde before ? (if fluxbox is lxde'windows manager) |
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| 12:39.04 | tobiasBora | fenugreek, What's "dep" ? |
| 12:39.21 | lolcat | Is there a apt-getabble vpn that uses unix users and don't need configuration? |
| 12:39.24 | babilen | tobiasBora: No, fluxbox does not depend on LXDE in any way. It is just a window manager (as opposed to desktop environment such as Gnome, KDE, LXDE and XFCE) |
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| 12:40.21 | fenugreek | tobiasBora: lxde depends upon (draws in as a "dep") openbox |
| 12:40.30 | igor_ | thewanderer1 i'v tried some programs are too big for example i use netbeans an if i enter in preferices it opens a window and i cant press oc or cancel , and i thik is maybe a way that i will edix "X" and change a higer resolution |
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| 12:40.43 | abrotman | lolcat: they're all going to require a bit of configuration |
| 12:40.50 | fenugreek | tobiasBora: you see it's a software collection that uses many individual packages in conjunction |
| 12:41.01 | lolcat | abrotman: I hate configuration... |
| 12:41.02 | thewanderer1 | igor_: if your screen is incapable of handling a higher resolution, it's impossible to do |
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| 12:41.11 | abrotman | lolcat: hire an admin |
| 12:41.12 | tobiasBora | babilen : yes, but lxde has her own windows manager ? |
| 12:41.19 | lolcat | abrotman: Wich one is easiest? |
| 12:41.23 | abrotman | tobiasBora: no, it uses openbox as its WM |
| 12:41.27 | babilen | tobiasBora: Yes, it certainly does. (Not sure what they use though) |
| 12:41.29 | tobiasBora | and you can change her windows mnager with fluxbox ? |
| 12:41.35 | abrotman | lolcat: i don't know your goals, i'm not going to even try to answer that |
| 12:42.07 | igor_ | thewanderer1: shit i think i need another netbook with higher resolution )) , thanks for clearing me out |
| 12:42.23 | thewanderer1 | igor_: you should really try to use your WM's facilities to the fullest |
| 12:42.23 | apathor | lol http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110427 |
| 12:42.25 | lolcat | "We, at Initcron Labs have created a script which automates all the steps above and sets up pptp vpn server within a minute. You can download it from the following link or use wget to do so. |
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| 12:42.33 | babilen | tobiasBora: That is not what I am suggesting. I merely recommended to try the window managers I mentioned earlier *as an alternative* to LXDE/XFCE if those two are too heavy for you. |
| 12:42.37 | fenugreek | tobiasBora: you can change it, yes |
| 12:42.37 | lolcat | abrotman: I want a VPN for me myself, and perhaps a friend |
| 12:42.44 | fenugreek | tobiasBora: by default openbox will be installed and configured |
| 12:42.52 | abrotman | lolcat: google "easy vpn linux" ? |
| 12:43.07 | abrotman | in Debian, lxde-core *depends* on openbox |
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| 12:43.37 | abrotman | looks around for synrg ... |
| 12:43.52 | tobiasBora | So, If I would like to try fluxbox, what I've to install ? |
| 12:43.56 | igor_ | thewanderer1: maybe it is something testing projects like video accelerator or somethink like that |
| 12:44.13 | igor_ | thewanderer1: sry for bad english |
| 12:44.16 | babilen | tobiasBora: The package is, unsurprisingly, called "fluxbox" |
| 12:44.21 | babilen | !tell tobiasBora about fluxbox |
| 12:44.25 | thewanderer1 | igor_: yeah, I couldn't get you this time |
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| 12:44.53 | fenugreek | tobiasBora: fluxbox and openbox are (you might not be surprised to find out) not all that different |
| 12:45.00 | abrotman | misses blackbox |
| 12:45.07 | igor_ | thewanderer1 : maybe there are some projects that accelerates my video adapter ?? |
| 12:45.11 | babilen | does not miss fvwm2 |
| 12:45.16 | abrotman | babilen: does anyone? |
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| 12:45.21 | fenugreek | abrotman: not maintained anymore? |
| 12:45.35 | fenugreek | babilen: because it hasn't gone anywhere? =) |
| 12:45.46 | oznt | hi again everyone |
| 12:45.47 | DammitJim | gosh, I really didn't know that rsync took so much CPU (on a 400MHz ARM 9 processor) |
| 12:45.47 | thewanderer1 | igor_: it depends on the screen's display resolution - if you have a VGA output, you can probably get more |
| 12:45.49 | abrotman | fenugreek: they changed the way it works .. I miss the 66k SLOC blackbox before they started mucking with it .. the one from like '98 :) |
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| 12:46.14 | fenugreek | abrotman: how many is it up to now? :/ |
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| 12:46.33 | abrotman | NFC .. but they changed the way it works, and I'm not patient enough to re-learn it .. |
| 12:46.38 | oznt | i am playing with grub2, I want to read a text file with info using cat and pager=1, the text color is white on black, but after the screen scrolls, color changes to grey |
| 12:46.38 | igor_ | thewanderer1 : i have a monitor and i will test right now , thanks for help |
| 12:46.43 | oznt | any has an idea ? |
| 12:46.48 | abrotman | blackbox was effectively abandoned from like 00 to 05 |
| 12:47.05 | DammitJim | man, I loved Blackbox |
| 12:47.18 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: BlackBox is popular now, but... as an alternative Windows shell! :P |
| 12:47.24 | abrotman | hehe |
| 12:47.30 | DammitJim | LOL @ thewanderer1 |
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| 12:47.47 | tobiasBora | ok, thanks ! |
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| 12:53.50 | igor_ | thewanderer1: hi i am thru a PC monitor an resolution is smaller 800 x 600 |
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| 12:54.18 | igor_ | thewanderer1: even 1024 x 600 i dont have |
| 12:54.28 | thewanderer1 | igor_: try calling `xrandr` - does it display a higher option? |
| 12:54.56 | igor_ | thewanderer1 : no 800 x 600 is higher |
| 12:54.58 | thewanderer1 | btw. 800x600 vs. 1024x600 is about proportions - the monitor is 4:3, the laptop is panoramic |
| 12:55.02 | igor_ | thewanderer1 : no 800 x 600 is higheest |
| 12:55.18 | thewanderer1 | so... the monitor or the GFX card is incapable of displaying any better |
| 12:55.26 | blami | igor_: what gfx card |
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| 12:55.53 | igor_ | blami : intel gma 950 , but on windws there is a higher resolution |
| 12:55.54 | blami | thewanderer1: not really, maybe his card gives to Xorg bogus edid info |
| 12:55.55 | Nanako | igor_: video card |
| 12:56.04 | igor_ | Nanako : intel gma 950 |
| 12:56.11 | blami | thewanderer1: cheaper cards and some older (atom) gmas do |
| 12:56.19 | Nanako | gfx = video, that's acronym |
| 12:56.21 | thewanderer1 | oh, Atom GMA... yeah, netbook there |
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| 12:56.40 | thewanderer1 | sounds like another Intel bug :P |
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| 12:56.45 | blami | igor_: do you use kernel modesetting? |
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| 12:57.00 | igor_ | i vave a netbook an i have a feeling that xorg dosn't work |
| 12:57.11 | igor_ | blami : no |
| 12:57.36 | igor_ | can i see if it is working fine , maybe it has some log file ?? |
| 12:58.08 | blami | igor_: maybe you should :) |
| 12:58.08 | Nanako | AFAIK /var/log/Xorg |
| 12:58.18 | abrotman | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 12:58.34 | igor_ | blami : yes but am not so advanced in linux |
| 12:58.45 | blami | igor_: use this http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl and add modeline for desired resolution by hand using xrandr |
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| 12:59.13 | blami | igor_: it should work ... on my atom based kohjinsha did |
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| 13:03.19 | Nanako | so I have to edit debian/rules to make a .deb file that will be installed with apt-get install, am I right? |
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| 13:05.23 | daemonkeeper | The whole debian/ directory is used to build a Debian package you can install with dpkg. |
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| 13:05.34 | daemonkeeper | To use apt you will need a repository holding it. |
| 13:05.37 | igor_ | blami : and where to change these numbers |
| 13:05.48 | m4k | Is there a single cd to install for amd64 machine I google and found http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/amd64/bt-cd/ link now i'm confused which one to download |
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| 13:06.08 | m4k | any help |
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| 13:06.19 | justin_ | m4k: the first cd |
| 13:06.22 | dvs | m4k: If you have a wired internet connection, use netinst |
| 13:06.30 | blami | igor_: look at xrandr --help ... you pass them to --newmode |
| 13:06.35 | justin_ | m4k: yes, or netist, or the business card iso |
| 13:06.36 | fenugreek | m4k: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable |
| 13:06.50 | justin_ | m4k: whatever you do, DO NOT DOWNLOAD all 52 cd images |
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| 13:06.56 | fenugreek | hahhaah |
| 13:07.21 | ompaul | justin_: there are places where that makes sense (most places that is) |
| 13:07.22 | m4k | dvs: my internet is slow to do that |
| 13:07.31 | blami | this will add desired mode into xrandr's listing and then simply select it using xrandr --output LVDS1 --mode _your_new_mode_ |
| 13:07.57 | dvs | m4k: if it's slow that's all the more reason to get tne netinst. It will download only the packages you want. |
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| 13:08.05 | blami | igor_: could u pls pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.log ? |
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| 13:08.24 | Nanako | daemonkeeper: thx, so I've got to install it using dpkg. the last question are the _CONFARGS in the rules file exactly the same as in other systems? |
| 13:08.24 | igor_ | blami : 1 min |
| 13:08.27 | m4k | justin_: bussiness card iso is live cd too ? |
| 13:08.31 | blami | igor_: it contains information why edid selection failed |
| 13:08.33 | fenugreek | m4k: yes, and even smaller |
| 13:08.41 | justin_ | m4k: the only one that is a live cd is the one that has 'live' in the filename |
| 13:09.04 | sephii | I'm having some trouble figuring out how to make dbconfig-common work when upgrading a package... I'd like to do a dump of the database when upgrading the package, however dbconfig-common fails because dbc_dbadmpass is not defined and it is not asked to the user. Any idea on how to fix that ? |
| 13:09.10 | daemonkeeper | Nanako: The rules file is a Makefile. It is dependent on your package what you will find there. |
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| 13:09.35 | sephii | (I'm using $dbc_dump_cmd to make the backup) |
| 13:09.41 | fenugreek | m4k: meaning the others go straight to an automated install process |
| 13:09.51 | daemonkeeper | Nanako: If you are interested to dig depper, read the Debian New Maintainer guide and debhelper(7) |
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| 13:10.03 | Nanako | daemonkeeper: I've figured it out, there is !/usr/bin/make -f in the first line, just wanted to be sure |
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| 13:11.07 | m4k | justin_: bussiness card is only 48.9 mb does that will install debian off line too ? |
| 13:11.12 | justin_ | m4k: no |
| 13:11.19 | igor_ | blami : http://pastebin.ca/2051520 |
| 13:11.33 | fenugreek | m4k: it will download the base system packages during installation |
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| 13:11.43 | dvs | m4k: netinstall will install a very minimal Debian |
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| 13:12.04 | Nanako | igor_: Modeline "1440x900"x59.9 106.50 1440 1520 1672 1904 900 903 909 934 -hsync +vsync (55.9 kHz) |
| 13:12.19 | Nanako | that's the mode you're looking for |
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| 13:12.33 | igor_ | Nanako : i use a PC monitor but still it is 800 x 600 |
| 13:12.33 | m4k | fenugreek: then i cant go with that... is there any image which can install offline too but be around or less than 2 gb |
| 13:12.36 | Th3DarKZi0N | configure browser emacs |
| 13:12.43 | justin_ | m4k: cd1 |
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| 13:13.22 | Th3DarKZi0N | oops! sprry... window focus error :P |
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| 13:13.26 | blami | igor_: man you have attached external display? (i didnt backlog) |
| 13:13.30 | Erbureth | Hi, guys. When I have migrated to KDE 4.6.2 from experimental, kdeinit4 always fails to start. Anyone else encountered the problem? |
| 13:13.41 | m4k | justin_: isn't cd1 requires cd2, cd3 and other in line ? |
| 13:13.49 | DammitJim | justin_, I wanted to let you know that you were right about the processor thing and transfer speeds |
| 13:13.54 | Nanako | try to read that, Xorg configs are similar on different os http://www.freebsd.org/doc/ru/books/handbook/x-config.html |
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| 13:14.01 | justin_ | m4k: not really |
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| 13:14.13 | igor_ | blami : yes i hook'd a PC monitor to see if resolution changes but still no result max resolution is 800 x 600 on monitor |
| 13:14.18 | DammitJim | I can transfer data @ 190MBps using iperf |
| 13:14.36 | DammitJim | but with rsync, I can only get about ~5MBps |
| 13:14.37 | blami | igor_: if you just want to set both monitors to their native resolution and _extend_ desktop |
| 13:14.40 | Nanako | but i'm not sure will the Xorg -configure work on debian, never used X11 on Linux |
| 13:14.45 | m4k | then whats a difference between them ? and which one is newst |
| 13:14.46 | igor_ | blami : on my little display resolution is higher |
| 13:15.08 | blami | igor_: yes i know ... im fighting same bug on my lenovo x201 |
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| 13:15.12 | m4k | justin_: then whats a difference between them ? and which one is newst |
| 13:15.12 | dvs | m4k: cd1 and most popular, cd2 has next popular. etc |
| 13:15.14 | DammitJim | it was actually @ 3.5MBps with rsync, but I took of the compression switch and it went up to 5Mbps |
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| 13:15.25 | claint | are the recent logs of the channel anywhere, like the last 5 minutes or so? |
| 13:15.27 | DammitJim | off* |
| 13:15.33 | blami | igor_: xorg should decide for least common resolution for clone ... imho its reported bug |
| 13:15.35 | justin_ | DammitJim: oh, yeah, compression will not help |
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| 13:15.55 | DammitJim | I can't believe the processing needed for rsync! the cpu is @ 80% for that daemon |
| 13:16.06 | DammitJim | so, I'm looking at nfs for the transfers |
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| 13:16.25 | nevyn | DammitJim: rsync trades cpu for network bandwidth. |
| 13:16.28 | igor_ | blami : but can i change xorg file to make my resolution higher |
| 13:16.34 | blami | igor_: xrandr --output LVDS1 --mode 1024x600 --left-of VGA1 |
| 13:16.50 | nevyn | DammitJim: sometimes it's a good tradeoff sometimes not. |
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| 13:17.06 | blami | igor_: of course you can |
| 13:17.19 | blami | igor_: just create xorg.conf with monitor and screen sections |
| 13:17.21 | DammitJim | yeah, if you have a more powerful machine running the daemon, I'm sure it is, but in my case it's not |
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| 13:17.36 | DammitJim | no wonder Buffalo turned that feature off... people would have been pissed |
| 13:18.11 | fenugreek | claint: why do you ask |
| 13:18.25 | m4k | dvs: justin_; thanks for the info now downloading cd1, Is gnome 4 going to be included soon in debian ? or i have to install manually when it will launch ? |
| 13:18.51 | dvs | m4k: I won't make it to Debian 6. |
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| 13:18.58 | igor_ | blami : can you help me because las time i edit xorg config my sistem not started |
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| 13:19.27 | blami | igor_: uff ... i don't have xorg.conf |
| 13:19.34 | igor_ | blami : and i dont have a xorg.conf |
| 13:19.42 | fenugreek | m4k: 3 you mean =) |
| 13:20.03 | blami | igor_: not problem ... you can create it. Problem is i don't know what is compulsory ... |
| 13:20.34 | m4k | fenugreek: ooops!! yes |
| 13:20.39 | claint | fenugreek: lost connection about 10 mins ago, right as I was asking a question. I wanted to see if it went through or not. (I don't need to ask the question anymore though.) |
| 13:20.43 | igor_ | blami : where is stored xorg.conf to check if i serached in right direcotry |
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| 13:20.48 | blami | igor_: personally i have HDMI1 and VGA1 switched off by default and manage them using xrandr when xorg starts |
| 13:20.52 | blami | igor_: /etc/X11 |
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| 13:21.06 | igor_ | blami : ( i don't have it |
| 13:21.24 | blami | igor_: if i remember correctly there should be parameter to Xorg that creates boilerplate |
| 13:21.40 | fenugreek | claint: question on any particular subject? |
| 13:22.03 | blami | igor_: does that xrandr works? |
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| 13:22.20 | Nanako | igor_: try cd /etc/X11 && Xorg -configure |
| 13:22.26 | fenugreek | igor_: X doesn't necessarily need a xorg.conf file these days |
| 13:22.33 | bst | !xorg config |
| 13:22.33 | dpkg | From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config squeeze> <xorg config lenny>. |
| 13:22.38 | blami | fenugreek: sometimes yup |
| 13:22.53 | fenugreek | often |
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| 13:23.08 | blami | fenugreek: xorg devs apparently don't use multiple monitors |
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| 13:23.37 | claint | fenugreek: was asking if it was easy to share the net over wireless with network-manager, but did it anyways with an old iptables script so didn't bother. |
| 13:23.41 | blami | fenugreek: because almost any setup with LVDS1+VGA1/HDMI1 i have seen failed to autoconfigure |
| 13:23.58 | fenugreek | vga? :/ |
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| 13:24.45 | fenugreek | claint: don't think the msg made it here |
| 13:24.50 | igor_ | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1214810 |
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| 13:25.28 | Nanako | fenugreek: the last time I used Xorg, I had to calculate Sync and refresh rates by myself |
| 13:25.29 | blami | fenugreek: vga is important connector in academic sphere :)) |
| 13:25.35 | dvs | igor_: shut down X and do it. |
| 13:26.09 | m4k | dvs: so in which version debian will have gnome 3 and when that version will be launch ? |
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| 13:26.25 | blami | i hope there will be no such version |
| 13:26.26 | dvs | m4k: Probably Debian 7 |
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| 13:27.10 | fenugreek | Nanako: wow |
| 13:27.18 | m4k | any launch date for Debian 7 |
| 13:27.28 | dvs | !wwwr |
| 13:27.28 | dpkg | I don't know when Wheezy will release. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. |
| 13:27.34 | fenugreek | m4k: you'll be able to get it before Debian 7 |
| 13:27.39 | fenugreek | if you really want it |
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| 13:28.12 | blami | isnt gnome 3 already in experimental? |
| 13:28.13 | Nanako | fenugreek: not so wow, I had simply copied them from log |
| 13:28.21 | blami | at least parts of it |
| 13:28.40 | DammitJim | Lake Buena Vista party woohoo! |
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| 13:30.15 | NoReflex | hello! anyone knows if debian will switch to gnome3? |
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| 13:30.37 | dvs | !wwg3r |
| 13:30.41 | claint | blami: yeah, it should be in experimental. |
| 13:30.45 | fenugreek | I wasn't aware Debian was particularly dedicated to any one DE at this time |
| 13:31.13 | Nanako | anyone knows, what does --enable-pie in the apache22 config stand for? |
| 13:31.21 | NoReflex | fenugreek, I mean if sid or squeeze will install gnome3 or gnome2 if you choose a DE |
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| 13:32.05 | NoReflex | I'm looking for a distro which will stick to gnome 2 but still update packages like kernel, gimp, gcc |
| 13:32.20 | fenugreek | you can stick to gnome 2 with any distro |
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| 13:32.34 | fenugreek | you can also install gnome 2 fresh with any distro, and even downgrade from gnome 3 to gnome 2 with any |
| 13:33.10 | NoReflex | fenugreek, you mean to compile it? |
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| 13:33.54 | justin_ | NoReflex: gnome3 != gnome-shell. Don't want to use gnome-shell? Don't use it. |
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| 13:35.02 | NoReflex | justin_, yes, I gnome-shell does not fit my needs. but if I don't use it will I get the "old" gnome2 look back (panel + applets for example) |
| 13:35.28 | justin_ | NoReflex: pretty sure you will |
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| 13:35.42 | claint | these new "app" based desktop environments are getting on my nerves. maybe I am just old fashioned. |
| 13:35.53 | justin_ | just uses xmonad and doesn't give a fuck |
| 13:35.56 | Kream | hi all. What boot cd would you recommend I use to rescue a debian system with a failed RAID1 mirror (on /) ? |
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| 13:36.04 | claint | justin_: good call. |
| 13:36.13 | fenugreek | NoReflex: no there are binaries already I'm sure |
| 13:36.16 | NoReflex | justin_, AFAIK if gnome-shell is not installed gnome3 will start in fallback mode and many features won't be available |
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| 13:36.50 | fenugreek | claint: any time a software package abruptly changes design goals (because it never had any), that gets on my nerves |
| 13:37.13 | fenugreek | NoReflex: just relax |
| 13:37.27 | claint | Kream: if only one of the Raid1s failed, you don't need a boot CD. your system should boot fine. |
| 13:37.29 | shrimpwagon | Lenny -> Squeeze, Which is better, update vs fresh install |
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| 13:37.50 | justin_ | shrimpwagon: have you been using funny apt-sources or pinning or anything crazy like that? |
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| 13:38.16 | nkuttler | shrimpwagon: define better |
| 13:38.24 | Kream | claint: it does, I just want to assemble the raid again. |
| 13:38.26 | shrimpwagon | uh...pinning? |
| 13:38.28 | NoReflex | is relaxed |
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| 13:38.45 | Kream | claint: can I do that from one of the raids? |
| 13:38.57 | Kream | rather, from the machine itself, in the live environment? |
| 13:39.13 | blami | shrimpwagon: i did dist upgrade on my regularly updated machines (servers). It went ok. Only problem was that newer initramfs images need /run on rootfs |
| 13:39.22 | shrimpwagon | I updated default /etc/apt/sources.list lenny -> sqeeze |
| 13:39.27 | blami | shrimpwagon: so i've seen few red 'failed' notices |
| 13:39.29 | shrimpwagon | then apt-get distro-upgrade |
| 13:39.33 | shrimpwagon | seemd to work fine |
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| 13:39.39 | shrimpwagon | but now I can't ./configure |
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| 13:39.44 | Kream | apparently aptitude has better dependency resolution than apt-get |
| 13:39.48 | shrimpwagon | Says it can't find a C++ compiler |
| 13:39.49 | z0mbyk1d | yeah |
| 13:39.53 | z0mbyk1d | aptitude == boss |
| 13:39.57 | Kream | aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 13:40.02 | Kream | dist-upgrade is deprecated |
| 13:40.33 | shrimpwagon | aptitude full-upgrade? |
| 13:40.37 | blami | Kream: hmm so why we have apt-get? imho it could be easily interfaced to aptitude |
| 13:40.43 | z0mbyk1d | that wont upgrade you to natty though |
| 13:40.53 | Kream | blami: can you imagine the screams of rage if apt-get were removed? |
| 13:40.55 | themill | shrimpwagon: did you follow the release notes? |
| 13:41.08 | blami | Kream: :)) |
| 13:41.08 | Kream | people are traditional, they do what they've done |
| 13:41.12 | z0mbyk1d | wrong channel sorry |
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| 13:41.44 | blami | Kream: it can be quietly replaced with script passing commands to aptitude |
| 13:41.45 | claint | Kream: What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 13:41.56 | shrimpwagon | themill: sort of |
| 13:42.05 | shrimpwagon | themill: not really :( |
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| 13:47.55 | Kream | claint: I'm not very experienced with RAID stuff. I have a box with / on 2 hard disks, RAID1. can I "detach" a failed hard disk and attach another one from that box itself ? or do I need a boot disk? |
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| 13:50.15 | justin_ | Kream: you don't need a boot disk |
| 13:50.17 | claint | Kream: you can boot that system, and by using the mdadm command can mark the bad disk as failed and remove it from your array. than you can get a good disk, put it in your box, and mark it as the new raid1. |
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| 13:50.47 | claint | Kream: just google for "mdadm drive failure" |
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| 13:51.39 | Nanako | Correct me if I'm wrong: if I want to install a package with my own ./configure settings I can't simply do (./configure && make && make install), I have to get the source, change the rules file, then (dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot and dpkg -i *.deb), right? |
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| 13:52.52 | abrotman | Nanako: that's the sensible way |
| 13:52.52 | Kream | hmmm thanks, justin and claint |
| 13:52.55 | nkuttler | Nanako: you can do both, but the latter is usually recommended |
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| 13:53.37 | DammitJim | ok, seems that it worked now |
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| 13:54.36 | fenugreek | omg omg X nom nom |
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| 13:54.38 | Nanako | I mean, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
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| 13:56.20 | Nanako | -us -uc where? with dpkg -i? |
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| 13:56.50 | Erbureth | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc |
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| 13:57.27 | Nanako | dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2, that's it? |
| 13:57.47 | Erbureth | might be |
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| 13:58.01 | Erbureth | (we are gonna need more of the log) |
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| 13:58.39 | Nanako | here I've got it |
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| 13:59.28 | Nanako | I thing I used the AP2_COMMON_CONFARGS wrong |
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| 14:01.47 | Nanako | do I have to do smthn like make clean, before running dpkg-buildpackage again? |
| 14:03.08 | latgarf | Help for n00b needed: I'm struggling to get admin access on my 1st squeeze install: My only user created during install is not in sudoers, and root is both disallowed to login and has unknown password - please help! |
| 14:03.23 | sylecn | su |
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| 14:03.43 | jelly-home | sylecn: "and has unknown password" |
| 14:03.54 | Nanako | latgarf: you can boot in single user mode |
| 14:03.54 | latgarf | su requests password too, which I don't know... |
| 14:03.56 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell latgarf about ifrp |
| 14:03.58 | sylecn | unknown password? goto single user mode |
| 14:04.03 | Nanako | an then change the root passwd |
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| 14:06.11 | Nanako | ls -la |
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| 14:09.38 | Nanako | apt-get says: The following extra packages will be installed: apache2-utils apache2.2-bin apache2.2-common libaprutil1-dbd-sqlite3 libaprutil1-ldap ssl-cert. I DON'T need neither sqlite3 nor ldap, how to configure the dependencies list for the package? Or it's easier to build everything from scratch? |
| 14:10.07 | Kream | lol you're entering Gentoo territory |
| 14:10.15 | justin_ | Nanako: apt-get install apache2 libaprutil1-dbd-sqlite3- |
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| 14:10.27 | Kream | or not |
| 14:10.39 | Nanako | That's the FreeBSD territory |
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| 14:11.09 | jelly-home | Nanako: have you disabled installing the Recommends? |
| 14:11.11 | Nanako | I don't have any excess packages |
| 14:11.19 | Nanako | I've installed it |
| 14:11.43 | Nanako | FreeBSD ports seems to me much better now. lol |
| 14:11.54 | justin_ | Nanako: stop whining. |
| 14:12.06 | justin_ | don't want to install extra packages? don't install them |
| 14:12.24 | Nanako | Making my own .debs? |
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| 14:12.31 | justin_ | for fucks sake |
| 14:12.34 | justin_ | Nanako: apt-get install apache2 libaprutil1-dbd-sqlite3- |
| 14:12.50 | Kream | notice the - at the end of the packagename |
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| 14:13.21 | Nanako | ok, but how to build apache from scratch with several static and with several shared modules without reassembling the packages? |
| 14:13.33 | justin_ | Nanako: don't do that? |
| 14:13.43 | justin_ | the debian apache packages work just fine. |
| 14:13.48 | Kream | wait... are you expecting Debian stable to have JUST the package mix you want? |
| 14:14.02 | justin_ | if you feel like playing apache developer, don't use the debian packages |
| 14:14.09 | Kream | like, seriously? with certain modules built static certain not? |
| 14:14.23 | Kream | in a distro which millions of people use? |
| 14:14.34 | Nanako | No, I'm trying to use the dependency control system while building packages from source like I did for several years |
| 14:14.50 | Kream | go on |
| 14:15.02 | Kream | explain what you mean by "use the dependency control system" |
| 14:15.35 | babilen | Nanako: You have to learn about the difference between recommends and dependencies -- /msg dpkg apt recommends -- If you don't want the recommended packages, don't install them. |
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| 14:16.03 | Nanako | without any offence, guys, i'm trying to get used with debian because i need to migrate one of my webservers on it, but the apt system seems to be a bit unusable when it get's to custom make configuration |
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| 14:16.36 | babilen | Nanako: I still don't see why you can't use the default Debian packages. |
| 14:16.44 | erAbuelo | buenas |
| 14:16.47 | justin_ | Nanako: maybe you would be more at home with something like LFS? |
| 14:16.50 | Nanako | i'm not a FreeBSD fanboy, but the ports system holds both dependency and the configuration, so I can update ports |
| 14:16.55 | Kream | apt's main goal is not to support custom Makefile configurations |
| 14:16.58 | Kream | as far as i can see |
| 14:17.17 | Kream | so why not use FreeBSD? |
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| 14:18.45 | Nanako | I've already described my problem here, I need a custom webserver, but my new hosting provider doesn't yet support FreeBSF on their xen cloud, and my current hoster is too far from the users so the ping is awful but it's critical for my ajax purposes |
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| 14:19.12 | justin_ | Nanako: and I gave you the solution. twice. |
| 14:19.33 | babilen | Nanako: Why do you need a custom webserver? Which functionality is missing in the standard Debian packages that you need? |
| 14:20.02 | Nanako | I have to choose from Debian Mini, Ubuntu Lucid Lynx, Debian Squeeze, CentOS 5 and openSUSE 11 |
| 14:20.39 | Nanako | I need apache22 built like that http://pastebin.ca/2051520 |
| 14:21.23 | justin_ | Nanako: that's an xorg log |
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| 14:21.26 | twobitsprite | Nanako: that's an x.org output log |
| 14:21.28 | Nanako | sorry |
| 14:21.33 | babilen | Nanako: Why? What functionality is *missing* from the standard Debian packages? And didn't you already learn how to recompile Debian packages? I still don't see why you *have* to do it. |
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| 14:22.33 | Nanako | http://pastebin.com/zSEBupi3 |
| 14:23.25 | justin_ | Nanako: no, you don't need apache built like that |
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| 14:23.27 | Nanako | I need alias deflate expires log_config logio reqtimeout as STATIC and authz_host, mime, vhost_alias and ssl as SHARED |
| 14:23.42 | twobitsprite | why do you need them static? |
| 14:23.44 | babilen | Nanako: Why? |
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| 14:24.28 | latgarf | Thanks, guys! Single user mode allowed me to reset root password. |
| 14:24.28 | Nanako | it consumes less memory and works faster |
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| 14:25.10 | Nanako | there is Varnish + Apache22 + Django + Postgres |
| 14:25.37 | twobitsprite | I can't imagine it being enough of an improvement to really be worth it... |
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| 14:26.00 | Nanako | It's in jail now, and I suffered DDOS twise |
| 14:26.30 | ArisVer | Hi, installing squeeze which kernel to install? 2.6-686 or 2.6.32-5-686? |
| 14:26.33 | babilen | Nanako: Ok, then edit debian/rules and fiddle with AP2_COMMON_CONFARGS and AP2_COMMON_CONFARGS -- Do you actually have performance problems with the standard Debian packages? |
| 14:26.33 | Nanako | and someone even bruteforced my server for two months, that's the config survived |
| 14:27.10 | babilen | Nanako: Err, AP2_COMMON_CONFARGS and AP2_MODS_CONFARGS that is |
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| 14:27.35 | Nanako | I've already edited AP2_COMMON_CONFARGS and AP2_COMMON_CONFARGS and got http://pastebin.com/GY0EwcfS |
| 14:27.48 | IncognitoMan | curious if anyone can help me out with my modem connecting issue? |
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| 14:28.02 | Nanako | babilen: whatever, I've understood |
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| 14:28.30 | IncognitoMan | http://pastebin.com/1GwpDYip |
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| 14:29.56 | Nanako | that's the dpkg-buildpackage output |
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| 14:30.02 | ArisVer | Anyone knows this? Installing squeeze which kernel to install? 2.6-686 or 2.6.32-5-686? |
| 14:30.21 | Nanako | I really need debian on that damn webserver and i'm already near the deadline |
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| 14:31.24 | babilen | Nanako: If you really have performance problems you might want to look into using, for example, YAWS -- I am not the apache maintainer but it is obvious that you made errors in debian/rules. If you don't have the time to do it, just use the standard packages right now. I can't get rid of the feeling that all this is premature optimisation. |
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| 14:32.09 | andevellicus | ArisVer: Do you know what type of processor your machine has? |
| 14:32.27 | twobitsprite | Nanako: or you might have better luck asking on one of the debian developer mainling lists |
| 14:32.42 | justin_ | Nanako: so just apt-get install apache2 and stop making problems out of nothing |
| 14:32.42 | babilen | Nanako: Use the standard packages, don't enable modules you don't want/need and be done with it. |
| 14:32.46 | ArisVer | andevellicus, Pentium III 1GHz |
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| 14:33.44 | twobitsprite | but yeah, plenty of people and companies run standard debian apache packages on high production system without problems |
| 14:33.55 | dtcrshr | is there a way to put "ll" also in debian? |
| 14:34.02 | justin_ | dtcrshr: what is 'll' ? |
| 14:34.04 | dtcrshr | instead of using ls -l |
| 14:34.10 | twobitsprite | dtcrshr: alias |
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| 14:34.24 | dtcrshr | twobitsprite, how do i do that? |
| 14:34.28 | babilen | dtcrshr: You mean a bash alias? 'alias ll="ls -l"' in your bash config |
| 14:34.30 | twobitsprite | dtcrshr: echo 'alias ll="ls -l"' >> ~/.bashrc |
| 14:34.34 | andevellicus | ArisVer: 2.6-686 is a metapackage, it installs 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 14:34.36 | justin_ | dtcrshr: edit ~/.bashrc and uncomment the ll alias |
| 14:34.39 | dtcrshr | oh, thanks |
| 14:34.59 | twobitsprite | justin_: ohh yeah, I always forget it's already in there :P |
| 14:35.04 | Nanako | justin_: that's not a problem out of nothing: I'm not building my project from scratch: there is already a vhosts.conf, mod_wsgi and varnish configs that i'd simply like to just copy, and with the default setup I'll have to change them, so there will be differences across the mirrors and the development machines |
| 14:35.14 | ArisVer | andevellicus, thank you. |
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| 14:35.47 | twobitsprite | man, aptitude safe-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy is taking forever to resolve depends.... it's been at it now for almost half an hour |
| 14:35.51 | jhutchins_lt | Nanako: Traditionally if you need special build configuration, you don't go whining to have the distribution defaults changed just for you, you build it yourself. |
| 14:35.52 | Nanako | not mentioning the database, django backends already configured to work on exact platform |
| 14:36.01 | garulf | hi, |
| 14:36.13 | themill | twobitsprite: squeeze->wheezy isn't going to be a safe-upgrade though, is it? man aptitude. |
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| 14:36.33 | babilen | twobitsprite: It is *very* likely that packages have to be removed in order for the "upgrade" to succeed. Use "aptitude full-upgrade" instead. I wouldn't recommend the switch to wheezy right now (just saying) |
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| 14:36.35 | yalu_ | about Debian Squeeze and OpenLDAP: There is one thing I don't understand about the slapd.d config scheme. once you migrate from the old scheme, what are you supposed to do to allow administration over the ldap protocol to the cn=config database? add a user manually? add a password to the root object? |
| 14:36.48 | justin_ | Nanako: you will not have to change them with the default setup. stop making problems out of nothing |
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| 14:36.50 | garulf | my touchpad seems stop to work (it's seems crazy). After a look to proc/bus/devices seems its recognize as ImPS/2 generic mouse. |
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| 14:36.57 | twobitsprite | themill: good point |
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| 14:37.13 | twobitsprite | babilen: understood... this isn't a production system or anything, so I'll be fine |
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| 14:37.27 | dtcrshr | justin_, iv uncommented the alias, but la and ll still not working. do i need to restart something to this alias be set? |
| 14:37.36 | justin_ | Nanako: and even if you DID have to change them, tweaking a config slightly will take a LOT less time then rebuilding everything from scratch |
| 14:37.51 | justin_ | dtcrshr: you need to start a new shell |
| 14:38.06 | dtcrshr | :D |
| 14:38.31 | twobitsprite | Nanako: what is your current system running on? Is it debian? Because if not, methinks all this work to make your config *exactly* the same is moot... |
| 14:38.44 | babilen | Nanako: And you can easily disable/enable modules with the standard Debian configuration. Learn how to configure apache on Debian or use a different OS -- You are also free to compile apache from source and install it to /usr/local is you have the need. |
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| 14:40.25 | Nanako | babilen: I'm TRYING to compile it from source, (./configure && make && make install) didn't work at all, building a deb fails on the strange diff file I hadn't figured out yet. |
| 14:41.52 | Nanako | I'm now downloaded apache sources and playing with the dh_make, and it seems to be the last option |
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| 14:42.00 | babilen | Nanako: I am sure #httpd can help you to compile apache -- I really don't get why you have to fork the Debian packages. Use the default packages, enable the modules you want/need and be done with it. |
| 14:42.19 | babilen | Nanako: No need to play with dh_make -- You don't want Debian packages, so don't use them. |
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| 14:42.36 | thewanderer1 | Nanako: yeah well, Apache here supports DSO... |
| 14:42.36 | themill | Nanako: I don't think anyone yet understands why you need to use anything other than standard debian packages here. |
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| 14:43.20 | Kream | ArisVer: the first one is a pointer to the lastest one |
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| 14:45.04 | babilen | Nanako: If apache really is too resource hungry use a differnet web server -- yaws is a good choice. But this discussion is pointless because all you are saying is "I need it that way because I will not accept anything else but that way" -- There are million of systems on the net that use the standard Debian packages. Learn how Apache is configured/handled on Debian. |
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| 14:45.36 | erAbuelo | ta lueg |
| 14:45.42 | Kream | exactly what i thought |
| 14:45.50 | Kream | you want debian "your way" |
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| 14:46.10 | Bushmills | Nanako: you know that you can change apache config so that it keeps fewer server open idling? the default is relatively high for sites which are not loaded |
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| 14:46.17 | Kream | which is like looking at the washington monument and saying, I really really want this but it needs to be more spherical at the top |
| 14:46.17 | Nanako | Why freebsd can easily be my way and the debian couldn't |
| 14:46.34 | justin_ | Nanako: stop whining. |
| 14:46.36 | themill | Nanako: you're not helping us help you. |
| 14:46.39 | Nanako | Bushmills: exactly |
| 14:46.47 | Kream | this isn't #philosophy |
| 14:47.01 | Bushmills | all it takes is an advanced interactive apache configuration frontend, called an "editor" |
| 14:47.40 | Nanako | Ok, I need apache built from the source, but it have to be in the installed package list |
| 14:47.45 | Kream | Nanako: why can't you just build & install the damn thing from source, the way you want? the guys in #httpd surely do. and i'd bet some of them use debian |
| 14:47.51 | justin_ | Nanako: you don't need apache built from source |
| 14:47.58 | Bushmills | well, then build it, if you need |
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| 14:48.28 | Kream | so Nanako your query is : how do i insert a "dummy" package into the apt database as installed? |
| 14:48.32 | themill | Nanako: you're not helping us help you. Repeating claims that you "need" something without telling us why isn't going to get you anywhere. |
| 14:48.35 | Nanako | I've already built it, but there is no service apache2 start or whatever |
| 14:48.50 | Kream | why the hell would the source packages package an initscript for debian? |
| 14:48.55 | Kream | just write an initscript |
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| 14:49.04 | Kream | from the skeleton |
| 14:49.11 | thewanderer1 | or copy the one from Debian and fix :P |
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| 14:49.15 | Kream | ^^ |
| 14:49.33 | themill | or actually state a coherent problem and zomg answers appear |
| 14:49.35 | Kream | Nanako: can you start apache from the command line? |
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| 14:49.56 | Kream | after you've built it just the way you want? |
| 14:49.58 | Bushmills | wonders how building apache would help with changing its config to keep fewer server idle |
| 14:50.05 | Nanako | So, I've figured it out: If i do apt-get source apache2-mpm-worker, and then make int it won't work? |
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| 14:50.24 | Bushmills | but well, the universe if full with secrets. that's probably just another one |
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| 14:50.36 | wieldy_BIOS | what most popular socks-server? |
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| 14:50.41 | Kream | brb getting popcorn this is gonna be good |
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| 14:50.54 | justin_ | wieldy_BIOS: the one built into ssh |
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| 14:51.29 | Kream | srsly, go hang out in httpd if you already aren't and ask them |
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| 14:51.36 | Bushmills | wieldy_BIOS: for popularity, there is http://popcon.debian.org/ |
| 14:51.50 | themill | Kream: going to a different channel and asking vague questions isn't going to help |
| 14:51.51 | Kream | and then frame a Debian question, such as "how do i futz dangerously with the package database"? |
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| 14:52.12 | Nanako | Nanako: guys I really not angry on you, but i've got a problem and I'm trying to fix it, I'd like to simple google everything and don't bother you, but I'm very short on time |
| 14:52.19 | Kream | no, he's obviously got some particular points of view about certain modules static and dynamic |
| 14:52.32 | Nanako | And thank you for helping me, honestly |
| 14:52.37 | babilen | Nanako: *What* is your problem with the standard Debian packages? |
| 14:52.53 | babilen | Nanako: And actual, real problem that is |
| 14:53.06 | twobitsprite | babilen: he has a fundamentalist view of his solution such that the problem is a problem because he says it's a problem |
| 14:54.29 | Bushmills | i thought the problem is that debian linux apache isn't installed using ports |
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| 14:54.52 | Nanako | Bushmills: very funny |
| 14:54.58 | Bushmills | and because of that, it uses too many resources |
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| 14:55.10 | Nanako | Ive reverted the snapshot of vm, now i'm clear |
| 14:55.14 | Bushmills | sorry, was that wrong? that was the impression i got from your problem description |
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| 14:56.29 | Babalau | anyone here |
| 14:56.33 | Babalau | need some help pls |
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| 14:56.42 | Bushmills | just bots. try those |
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| 14:56.58 | babilen | Nanako: Please, it does not make sense to treat Debian as if it is FreeBSD -- If you want FreeBSD then use it! If you want to use Debian then use Debian the way it is meant to be used. We can help you solve your problems *if you actually have some* with your configuration. Trying to turn Debian into FreeBSD is a waste of your and our time and just not worth it. |
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| 14:57.39 | Babalau | i wanna install Debian |
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| 14:57.53 | Babalau | but im stuck on setup |
| 14:58.05 | twobitsprite | !tell Babalau -about install guide |
| 14:58.06 | Bushmills | debian gnu/kfreebsd? |
| 14:58.07 | Babalau | the installer stops at the point where he tries to detect network |
| 14:58.11 | Babalau | debian gnu |
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| 14:58.20 | Nanako | babilen: I'd like to |
| 14:58.22 | justin_ | Babalau: stops how? |
| 14:58.23 | Nanako | ok |
| 14:58.39 | justin_ | Nanako: great, then apt-get install apache2 and move on with your life |
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| 14:58.44 | babilen | Bushmills: Still no ports, just a different kernel. And I doubt that the linux kernel is the problem here. |
| 14:58.48 | Babalau | the installers has the title trying to detect network setup or hardware donno and does nothing |
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| 14:58.58 | Babalau | the point 3 at the install |
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| 14:59.08 | Babalau | i mean after selecting country and keyboard |
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| 14:59.48 | Bushmills | then changing provider could help |
| 15:00.08 | Babalau | Bushmills: changing provider ?? |
| 15:00.15 | Babalau | i can't select anything there |
| 15:00.21 | Bushmills | not you. Nanako |
| 15:00.27 | Babalau | the page is plain white but the title |
| 15:00.30 | Babalau | ah |
| 15:00.31 | Babalau | :d |
| 15:00.35 | justin_ | Babalau: if you hit alt-f1, alt-f2, alt-f3 etc, does it switch screens? |
| 15:00.43 | Babalau | no |
| 15:01.03 | twobitsprite | babilen: are you using the text or graphical installer? |
| 15:01.16 | babilen | twobitsprite: expert install/text typically |
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| 15:01.32 | twobitsprite | babilen: sorry, meant that for Babalau |
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| 15:01.44 | babilen | np :) |
| 15:01.49 | Babalau | twobitsprite: doesen't matter, tried text graphic and auto |
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| 15:02.02 | Babalau | stucks at the same point |
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| 15:02.16 | twobitsprite | Babalau: I ask because if you're in the graphical one, you'll need to try ctrl-alt-f1, ctrl-alt-f2, etc |
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| 15:02.39 | Babalau | after selecting keyboard layout, he installs/pulls the cd files after that it's stuck |
| 15:02.46 | laptopz | is there a possible solution so that a music player and iceweasel can play audio at the same time? |
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| 15:03.22 | Babalau | twobitsprite: i know abot alt+f1 etc ... but on the text install it's stuck at the same point aswell |
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| 15:03.37 | twobitsprite | Babalau: ok, just making sure :) |
| 15:04.53 | Babalau | any solutions ? |
| 15:05.05 | tweek_ | laptopz: yes, there are probably several. the one i know about is pulseaudio. from what i remember though, it was hated by some people, but i can't remember why |
| 15:05.14 | twobitsprite | anyone remember which vterm dmesg is output on in the installer? |
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| 15:05.28 | justin_ | twobitsprite: you can just hit alt-right until you see it |
| 15:05.50 | justin_ | pulseaudio isn't bad if you have strange audio hardware and benefit from it |
| 15:06.02 | justin_ | I have a usb headset at work, and getting it to work right without pulseaudio is a pain in the ass |
| 15:06.07 | twobitsprite | Babalau: reboot the installer, and before selecting a keyboard layout, run through the alt-f1/etc screens until you see an output log looking thing... |
| 15:06.35 | twobitsprite | Babalau: then go back and select a keyboard, and go back to the log output and watch that until it stops again |
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| 15:07.05 | twobitsprite | Babalau: that might give us some hints as to why it's freezing |
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| 15:07.51 | Babalau | ok |
| 15:07.53 | Babalau | brb |
| 15:08.28 | laptopz | tweek_ audacious uses pulseaudio - setting up ICEWEASEL_DSP to padsp,artsdsp,auto makes no difference |
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| 15:12.10 | mosno | why does package 'sawfish' depend on dpkg? |
| 15:12.23 | mosno | seems a bit silly |
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| 15:13.08 | fenugreek | harmlessly silly |
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| 15:13.30 | homer5439 | if I put a firewall script under /etc/network/if-up.d, it looks like it gets run multiple time, once per interface brought up? |
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| 15:13.53 | themill | mosno, fenugreek: it doesn't, it depends on "dpkg (>= 1.15.4) | install-info" -- the reason for that should now be quite obvious. |
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| 15:14.21 | Bushmills | homer5439: right, unless your add to script a test for the interface which brought it up. alternative is to run it as up script for the desired interface |
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| 15:14.29 | Bushmills | unless you add ... |
| 15:14.47 | fenugreek | obvious perhaps for those remotely interested =) |
| 15:14.51 | homer5439 | is the interface name passed as an env variable or otherwise to the script? |
| 15:15.11 | Bushmills | either as env var, or as positions arg, i forgot |
| 15:15.19 | homer5439 | where is that documented? |
| 15:15.22 | Bushmills | positional ... |
| 15:15.26 | themill | fenugreek: given that you replied, you were presumably remotely interested. |
| 15:15.27 | homer5439 | ok |
| 15:15.29 | homer5439 | thanks |
| 15:15.37 | twobitsprite | homer5439: put a script in there that says "env; echo $@" |
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| 15:16.03 | homer5439 | well ok, but if was already documented somewhere... |
| 15:16.04 | fenugreek | you know what they say about presuming |
| 15:16.15 | Bushmills | not sure. you can find that out yourself, by adding to script set > /tmp/foo1 and echo $@ > /tmp/foo2 |
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| 15:16.20 | twobitsprite | homer5439: it probably is, but I don't feel like googling either |
| 15:16.34 | Bushmills | better put $@ between double quotes |
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| 15:16.48 | mosno | themill: i don't quite see the reason... |
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| 15:17.12 | themill | fenugreek: no, they say it about "assuming". But you're the wonderful native English speaker who seems to think that native speakers are the only ones who can possibly provide help in #debian... |
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| 15:17.27 | fenugreek | I was going to say it comes from the Latin for 'anticipate'... |
| 15:17.35 | fenugreek | but you're the super ungrumpy guy =P |
| 15:17.37 | Nanako | Finally, I've got apache built from source, but with the default configureation |
| 15:17.49 | fenugreek | Nanako: wasn't the idea to customize it? =) |
| 15:17.58 | zealiod | I'd like to mirror all of a linux server with rsync except mySQL - how can I do this? |
| 15:18.00 | themill | mosno: the handling of info manual pages was changed so you either need a newer dpkg to make sure it doesn't break or the install-info package. |
| 15:18.10 | homer5439 | looks like it's env var, IFACE=eth1 |
| 15:18.12 | homer5439 | thanks |
| 15:18.13 | Nanako | fenugreek: just testing |
| 15:18.45 | jhutchins_lt | Nanako: I'd say that was a pretty smart way to go about it. |
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| 15:18.57 | fenugreek | zealiod: man rsync, /exclude ? |
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| 15:19.15 | zealiod | fenugreek: sure, i just don't know where mySQL stashes stuff.... |
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| 15:19.27 | fenugreek | zealiod: oh that kind of server |
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| 15:19.36 | fenugreek | zealiod: dpkg -L mysql (etc.) ? |
| 15:19.36 | babalau | twobitsprite: im back |
| 15:19.49 | zealiod | fenugreek: oh yes |
| 15:19.56 | fenugreek | zealiod: with --exclude-from=file, perhaps |
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| 15:20.19 | babalau | ok I cannot install Debian problem ... |
| 15:20.29 | fenugreek | I prefer installing Debian solutions myself |
| 15:20.33 | babalau | i'm Stuck again (writing from my laptop now) |
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| 15:21.00 | homie | babalau: what's the problem ? |
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| 15:21.04 | babalau | it's stuck at "Detect network hardware" |
| 15:21.11 | homie | heh |
| 15:21.20 | homie | which network card do you have ? |
| 15:21.34 | homie | and which source did you choose for installation ? |
| 15:21.35 | mosno | themill: i see (sort of). package 'screen' also has a similar dep, and both sawfish and screen have strange "-1.gz" info files, whereas other packages containing info files don't have these strange files and don't have the dep |
| 15:21.51 | babalau | homie i used to have gnome on that computer now it sits on a kde |
| 15:22.06 | mosno | eg. package 'grep' doesn't have any "-1.gz" and it doesn't depend on dpkg. i'm guessing screen and sawfish use an older info format or something |
| 15:22.06 | zjblabs | the server that I keep getting from the download page is horrendously slow (I'm getting something like ~500kb/s dial-up-like-speeds); where could I either select my mirror or get a list of them? |
| 15:22.07 | babalau | now im triing to move back on gdm -> debian |
| 15:22.19 | homie | babalau: some network cards and their drivers are external sometimes, like with images which don't contain them |
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| 15:22.34 | themill | mosno: yeah, that's about the summary. I can't recall the specific details, but I'm sure you'll find them in the archives for debian-devel-announce or debian-devel. |
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| 15:22.42 | babalau | ALT+F3 is providing this: FAT: unable to read bot sector |
| 15:22.52 | twobitsprite | !tell zjblabs -about mirrors |
| 15:22.56 | babalau | I/O error, dev fd0, setor 0 |
| 15:22.58 | Bushmills | zjblabs: apt-spy |
| 15:23.09 | mosno | themill: k. thanks |
| 15:23.13 | babalau | attempt to access beyond end of devie |
| 15:23.18 | miguel000 | where are my mails stored by default? |
| 15:23.28 | miguel000 | i retrieve them with fetchmail |
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| 15:23.30 | babalau | fd0: rw=0, want=66, limit=8 |
| 15:23.32 | Bushmills | miguel000: on google'S servers :P |
| 15:23.48 | miguel000 | i mean locally |
| 15:23.49 | twobitsprite | babalau: you have a floppy drive on your laptop? |
| 15:23.53 | homie | babalau: which device did you chosse to install grub on ? |
| 15:23.55 | miguel000 | after fetching them |
| 15:24.01 | miguel000 | i run fetchmail as normal user |
| 15:24.05 | homie | babalau: and was it formatted before ? |
| 15:24.08 | babalau | FAT: utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystems will be case sensitive |
| 15:24.14 | Bushmills | miguel000: fetchmail resends them, doesn't store them |
| 15:24.17 | jelly-home | miguel000: does fetchmail have logs? Default user mailbox is /var/mail/username |
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| 15:24.32 | homie | babalau: so you try to install on a dos device ? |
| 15:24.42 | babalau | homie: no, it was not formated before install (it has KDE + windowse) |
| 15:24.47 | babalau | ext4 |
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| 15:25.13 | jelly-home | Bushmills: it most definitely stores them, using a local MDA |
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| 15:25.33 | jelly-home | or at least can be configured to |
| 15:25.39 | Bushmills | ah, "using a local MDA" is the secret here |
| 15:25.40 | babalau | twobitsprite: i dont have a floppy, im botting from CD |
| 15:26.00 | babalau | homie: i didn't get to install a grub on, im stuck early on |
| 15:26.06 | Bushmills | could we say "it resends them, possibly to a local MTA, which then (may) store them"? |
| 15:26.18 | homie | babalau: without formatting it wouldn't have worked, so your first install always has to format it, but after first install it should work, unless some sectors are now bad, which could be hd failure (physical) or some quirk with you that you didn't notice the partition was/is not in clean state |
| 15:26.32 | homie | babalau: try e2fsck'ing it |
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| 15:26.42 | homie | babalau: in read-only mode |
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| 15:27.19 | babalau | homie: how? |
| 15:27.33 | homie | babalau: e2fsck -n /dev/blah |
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| 15:27.44 | homie | babalau: mount -o remount,ro / |
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| 15:27.54 | homie | babalau: or mount -o remount,ro /yourrootdevice |
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| 15:28.03 | homie | and then do the e2fsck |
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| 15:28.26 | freddy__ | hi - I'm going to donwload debian for my machine that is identified by uname as i686. Which debian flavour should I take ? The i386 ? |
| 15:28.28 | babalau | homie: ... |
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| 15:28.59 | fenugreek | freddy__: do you know what the processor is? |
| 15:29.10 | freddy__ | fenugreek: no |
| 15:29.11 | jhutchins_lt | freddy__: Yes. |
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| 15:29.19 | fenugreek | freddy__: can you run cat /proc/cpuinfo on it? |
| 15:29.41 | jhutchins_lt | freddy__: Actually, the i686 identifies the kernel, not the processor. |
| 15:29.47 | freddy__ | fenugreek: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU 5130 @ 2.00GHz |
| 15:30.23 | fenugreek | freddy__: you could use the amd64 images |
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| 15:30.28 | jelly-home | freddy__: you can install either 64bit or 32bit debian on that |
| 15:30.56 | laptopz | tweek_ solution was to get rid of pulseaudio :) |
| 15:30.57 | Bushmills | afaik, xeons aren't terribly good running 32 bit |
| 15:30.59 | babalau | homie: device or resource busy |
| 15:31.07 | freddy__ | jelly-home: there is already installed a debian on it - can I somehow find out which one it is ? |
| 15:31.14 | homie | babalau: what did you do ? |
| 15:31.31 | babalau | tryed to mount -o remount,ro / |
| 15:31.35 | jelly-home | Bushmills: "Xeon" is a brand name, I had P3 Xeons that only had 32bit. |
| 15:31.44 | jelly-home | freddy__: dpkg --print-architecture |
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| 15:31.55 | babalau | e2fsck -n /dev/blah not working |
| 15:31.55 | jelly-home | freddy__: i386 is 32bit |
| 15:32.03 | homie | babalau: ok then just do a mount and see if it is in read-only mode, and check /proc/mounts too |
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| 15:32.20 | twobitsprite | homie: you can't remount the root device while you're running on it |
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| 15:32.22 | freddy__ | jelly-home: it saya i386 |
| 15:32.29 | Bushmills | i understood that 64-bit xeons introduced quite a performance penalty when running 32 bit software - which was also the reason why intel licensed amd's |
| 15:33.08 | twobitsprite | Bushmills: intel licensed processors from amd? |
| 15:33.08 | jelly-home | haven't really noticed that |
| 15:33.09 | homie | twobotesprite: well, you're right but i thought he is running something else now, where he has access to the root device |
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| 15:33.37 | babalau | homie: |
| 15:33.41 | twobitsprite | homie: I think he's rebooting his system to run the installer, then booting back in to his existing linux instance to talk to us |
| 15:33.58 | homie | ok |
| 15:33.59 | babalau | twobitsprite: no |
| 15:34.05 | babalau | im on laptop |
| 15:34.06 | babalau | now |
| 15:34.12 | babalau | desktop is trying to install |
| 15:34.16 | twobitsprite | babalau: ohh... cool |
| 15:34.32 | homie | babalau: then don't mount anything, and in that state run the e2fsck over that partition |
| 15:34.35 | babalau | homie: i don't have a /proc/mounts on it (this laptop has oO) |
| 15:34.42 | Bushmills | twobitsprite: amd's technology to support 32 bit software on 64 bit cpus |
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| 15:34.55 | twobitsprite | Bushmills: ahh, interesting |
| 15:35.02 | Bushmills | !amd64 |
| 15:35.03 | dpkg | amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running i386 Debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are AMD64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>. |
| 15:35.16 | twobitsprite | yes, I know what amd64 is..... :P |
| 15:35.30 | homie | babalau: get access to the root device from some other medium, like install cd or so, just where you can work on that partition |
| 15:35.32 | Bushmills | i thought the factoid said something about this too |
| 15:35.41 | twobitsprite | hehe |
| 15:36.07 | twobitsprite | babalau: you should be able to do it from one of the other vterms in the installer before it hangs |
| 15:36.39 | babalau | mm |
| 15:37.31 | homie | twobitsprite: is there no way to mount it ro when you are on that partition ? |
| 15:37.40 | homie | twobitsprite: afaik there is a way.... |
| 15:37.43 | babalau | homie: twobitsprite i don't really get what you are saying but i can tell you although it's stuck on installer and i can see the errors with ALT+F3 i can work on ~# using ALT+Ff2 |
| 15:38.38 | twobitsprite | actually, hold on a sec |
| 15:38.41 | homie | babalau: you tell us the install medium is defect ? |
| 15:38.44 | IncognitoMan | tries again |
| 15:38.49 | twobitsprite | can you put the last few lines of the dmesg output in a pastebin? |
| 15:38.54 | IncognitoMan | http://pastebin.com/1GwpDYip |
| 15:39.04 | homie | babalau: or why should the installer hang ? |
| 15:39.09 | IncognitoMan | this is for a dial in server basically |
| 15:39.12 | homie | babalau: are you using a cd or such ? |
| 15:39.17 | babalau | cd |
| 15:39.18 | babalau | yes |
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| 15:39.28 | IncognitoMan | it dials into my computer, connects and authenticates....but disconnects shortly there after |
| 15:39.34 | IncognitoMan | any idea why? |
| 15:39.47 | homie | babalau: so if it hangs, wash your cd and dry it with a soft kleenex or some such, then try again, sometimes it helps |
| 15:40.00 | babilen | homie, babalau: I doubt that the detection of network hardware hangs due to the error given by babalau. Take a look at /var/log/syslog as well. Is the fat error the *only* error you see on tty4? |
| 15:40.28 | babalau | mm |
| 15:40.30 | babalau | ok |
| 15:40.53 | twobitsprite | babilen: iirc, the installer visual output lags a bit behind what's actually going on... it could be trying to detect drives, but hangs on some strange error |
| 15:40.57 | babalau | i can't put the error on pastebin cause i'm at installer but i can write tge errors myself |
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| 15:41.29 | babilen | twobitsprite: That could be, yes |
| 15:41.39 | babalau | OMG |
| 15:41.41 | babalau | =)) |
| 15:41.54 | babalau | it' works now??? |
| 15:41.57 | jhutchins_lt | IncognitoMan: Why are you running this with sudo? |
| 15:41.59 | babalau | ok i got this |
| 15:42.04 | twobitsprite | what happened? |
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| 15:42.30 | babalau | twobitsprite: donno exacly but i must have triggered something cause now i have a dialog |
| 15:43.06 | babalau | ok it says this: Some of your hardware needs non-free firmeware files to operate. The firmware canbe loaded from removable media, such as a USB stick or floppy. |
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| 15:43.24 | babalau | The missing firmware files are: e100/d101m_uode.bin |
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| 15:43.31 | babilen | babalau: I guess it looks exactly as: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=612293 (see the attached jpg in message #15) -- Could you try it with the firmware images -- /msg dpkg firmware image |
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| 15:44.18 | babalau | mmm it ask me if i have such media available now... i guess i dont |
| 15:44.30 | babilen | babalau: You can also provide the firmware packages on an USB stick -- you want to get firmware.tar.gz |
| 15:44.43 | babilen | !firmware image |
| 15:44.43 | babalau | babilen: i think i will |
| 15:44.43 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install debian>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
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| 15:45.49 | babilen | babalau: See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en for details -- using the (semi-) unofficial firmware image is probably the easiest way if you don't have an USB stick around |
| 15:45.50 | babalau | babilen: that's exacly the error i have |
| 15:46.11 | babalau | i have a stick |
| 15:46.11 | fenugreek | unofficial... from Debian? |
| 15:46.12 | babalau | :D |
| 15:46.26 | babilen | fenugreek: Hence the semi- ;) |
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| 15:48.13 | babalau | babilen: where do i get the missing firmware file d101m_ucode.bin ? |
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| 15:48.35 | homie | well, i think you get it with firmware-linux.tar.gz |
| 15:48.42 | homie | or some such |
| 15:48.47 | homie | or you google for it |
| 15:49.01 | babilen | babalau: See the install guide I linked above -- you want firmware-linux-nonfree -- It is detailed in 6.4.1 |
| 15:49.32 | babilen | babalau: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/squeeze/current/ (if you are lazy reading it) -- Unpack that to the usb stick and plug it in |
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| 15:50.08 | babilen | babalau: Or just download the package directly: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 15:50.56 | freddy__ | Tomorrow I'm going to do an apt-get dist upgrade from etch. It is recommended to do an upgrade to Lenny before going to squeeze, right ? |
| 15:51.36 | Kvant | !etch->squeeze |
| 15:51.39 | babilen | freddy__: Sure! And follow the release notes for the respective release |
| 15:52.43 | freddy__ | babilen: ok - there are special notes for dist-upgrade ? |
| 15:52.45 | jhutchins_lt | freddy__: Make sure you are completely up-to-date on etch before you start moving to lenny. |
| 15:52.46 | babilen | freddy__: You might be interested in: /msg dpkg etch->lenny ; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze -- As well as: /msg dpkg lenny release notes ; /msg dpkg squeeze release notes |
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| 15:53.18 | babilen | freddy__: Yes, the release notes discuss the process in great detail and it is important that you follow them. |
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| 15:53.24 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: etch->lenny? |
| 15:53.24 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date, ask me about <etch sources.list> (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Then ask me about <lenny sources.list>. aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
| 15:54.08 | freddy__ | babilen: thanks, where do I find them ? |
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| 15:55.38 | jhutchins_lt | freddy__: /msg dpkg lenny relese notes |
| 15:55.48 | babilen | freddy__: /msg dpkg lenny release notes ; /msg dpkg squeeze release notes -- As mentioned earlier. Googling for "lenny release notes" will certainly yield some results too |
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| 15:56.19 | Babalau | damn |
| 15:56.22 | Babalau | laptop stuck |
| 15:56.26 | babilen | Babalau: hmm? |
| 15:56.27 | freddy__ | ah thanks! |
| 15:56.36 | Babalau | babilen: pls tell me the links again :) |
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| 15:57.02 | Babalau | i could see everything u said but the keyboard and mouse wouldn't work |
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| 15:57.33 | babilen | Babalau: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en + http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/squeeze/current/ + http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 15:58.17 | Babalau | ty |
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| 15:58.43 | babilen | Babalau: yw |
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| 16:00.05 | dunpeal | How do I get the children PIDs for a specific PID from /proc? |
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| 16:01.47 | freddy__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.07 | twinkie_addict | whats the file name for firefox im trying to install via apt |
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| 16:02.27 | boudiccas | twinkie_addict, iceweasel? |
| 16:02.50 | twinkie_addict | ill try that again |
| 16:04.04 | twinkie_addict | ah had the el backwards |
| 16:04.08 | twinkie_addict | ty |
| 16:04.25 | jhutchins_lt | dunpeal: ps axf |
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| 16:05.15 | Babalau | mmm |
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| 16:05.28 | Babalau | babilen: :/ |
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| 16:06.03 | Babalau | i've copied the filed to the usb .. and choose YES i have a usb media to provide, and now it's going all over again :/ |
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| 16:06.41 | boudiccas | twinkie_addict, yw |
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| 16:14.59 | babilen | Babalau: You extracted the firmware zip/tar.gz on the stick? |
| 16:15.13 | babilen | Babalau: And what do you mean by "it's going all over again" ? |
| 16:15.37 | Babalau | babilen: yea extracted |
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| 16:15.55 | babilen | Babalau: So, is it loading the firmware? |
| 16:16.03 | Babalau | well donno |
| 16:16.11 | babilen | What is happening? |
| 16:16.27 | Babalau | it did all the erros like in the jpg in that message 15 but |
| 16:16.34 | Babalau | it worked just now |
| 16:16.35 | Babalau | it did |
| 16:16.36 | Babalau | so lol |
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| 16:16.50 | JordiGH | The b43 module in squeeze has a bug or something. How can I compile a newer module? |
| 16:17.05 | babilen | Babalau: What? Is it working now? Can you proceed with the installation now that you have provided the firmware? |
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| 16:17.42 | Babalau | yea |
| 16:17.46 | Babalau | apparently |
| 16:17.57 | babilen | JordiGH: You could either compile the module against your current kernel or just use a newer kernel from, say, wheezy/sid |
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| 16:18.02 | babilen | Babalau: wonderful :) |
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| 16:18.34 | babilen | JordiGH: I guess you installed the firmware and everything? What is the "bug" you see? |
| 16:19.27 | JordiGH | babilen: Doesn't connect to an AP, dmesg gets crapflooded with "b43-phy0 ERROR: MAC suspend failed". The greater internets say that upgrading their Linux fixed this. |
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| 16:19.55 | JordiGH | I don't think I'll be able to run a wheezy Linux on this without some major gymnastics; backporting a kernel ain't no small thing. |
| 16:20.20 | JordiGH | babilen: It *sometimes* works, yeah, I've installed the firmware. Most of the time it doesn't. |
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| 16:20.41 | babilen | JordiGH: I would just install 2.6.38 from sid for now and switch to the one that will be uploaded to squeeze-backports soonish. Just download the linux-image-2.6.38-$ARCH and linux-base package from sid and install it with dpkg -i |
| 16:20.53 | themill | wheezy's kernel + linux-base is directly installable |
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| 16:21.11 | JordiGH | Ah, really? |
| 16:21.14 | babilen | yup |
| 16:21.14 | JordiGH | Okay, let me try that. |
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| 16:23.01 | JordiGH | Uh, is p.d.o slow or is it just me? |
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| 16:23.44 | JordiGH | I wonder if I'll also need to separately download wheezy b43 packages. |
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| 16:24.16 | JordiGH | wheezy squeezy easy peasy. |
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| 16:26.33 | optraz | any rfc describing server failover (redundancy or service availability) from master to backup and backup to master? |
| 16:26.43 | JordiGH | Linux recommends the non-free package! :O |
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| 16:27.03 | JordiGH | I thought that was against Policy, it could only suggest it. |
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| 16:27.11 | dicee | hi people |
| 16:27.31 | dicee | a got a question ... im pritty new with debian |
| 16:28.03 | dicee | i can ping my server @ home... but i dont have internet connection |
| 16:28.36 | sussudio | what |
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| 16:29.03 | twobitsprite | dicee: either a) you aren't really pinging your server at home, or b) you actually do have internet connection but don't know it |
| 16:29.26 | dicee | but i cant ping www.google.nl |
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| 16:29.41 | twobitsprite | what IP address are you able to ping? |
| 16:29.47 | dicee | 172.31.31.1 |
| 16:29.55 | twobitsprite | traceroute? |
| 16:30.10 | dicee | my own ip adress is 172.31.31.15 |
| 16:30.17 | twobitsprite | oh, you're on the same subnet |
| 16:30.24 | dicee | yes |
| 16:30.46 | dicee | by ifconfig |
| 16:30.50 | dicee | i see a weird thing |
| 16:31.05 | dicee | inet addr: 172,31,31,15 bcast: 172.31.31.255 |
| 16:31.15 | dicee | i guess that 255 should by 1 |
| 16:31.19 | keith4 | no |
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| 16:31.29 | twobitsprite | no, it should be 255 |
| 16:31.32 | JordiGH | Oh, wait, I misread that. It recommends only the free drivers. |
| 16:31.53 | keith4 | dicee: sounds like you don't have a route (gateway) configured |
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| 16:32.09 | dicee | and how can i configur that? |
| 16:32.19 | keith4 | pastebin /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:33.09 | dicee | that typing in terminal? |
| 16:33.27 | keith4 | !pastebin |
| 16:33.28 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 16:34.33 | dicee | hmm command not found |
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| 16:35.04 | JordiGH | Uh-oh... |
| 16:35.08 | JordiGH | Newer Linux doesn't seem to boot |
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| 16:35.27 | dicee | and in the right corner by connection nothing says that he is connected.. |
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| 16:36.09 | dicee | im struggling with it now like 2 days |
| 16:36.23 | dicee | but the updates by installer where he need to pick up packages he had connection |
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| 16:36.35 | dicee | and i thaught if i login he got also that connection |
| 16:36.42 | JordiGH | Okay, great, neither Linux boots now. |
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| 16:36.56 | JordiGH | It gets stuck when decrypting the hard disk. |
| 16:37.01 | JordiGH | broked it. |
| 16:37.13 | dicee | oke |
| 16:37.27 | JordiGH | So, how does that go? |
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| 16:37.45 | dicee | so by system> administration > network i config my network |
| 16:38.17 | JordiGH | Install from unstable and you get to keep both broken parts? |
| 16:38.20 | crilly | Does anyone know where I can find out more information about why Harden would consider a particular server package, in my case Lighttpd, to be insecure? |
| 16:38.57 | jhutchins_lt | dicee: Please copy your /etc/network/interfaces file and paste it to one of the pastebin sites. |
| 16:39.34 | babilen | Babalau: everything's fine so far? |
| 16:40.08 | JordiGH | babilen :-( |
| 16:40.29 | JordiGH | device-mapper: table: 254:0: crypt: Error allocating crypto tfm |
| 16:40.33 | dicee | oke i will go to a pastebin site |
| 16:40.34 | babilen | hands JordiGH a happy pill |
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| 16:40.45 | JordiGH | My debian is broked. |
| 16:41.31 | armani_ | what does: [ 0.386426] Kernel Panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init mean? |
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| 16:41.41 | JordiGH | Your debian is brokeder. |
| 16:41.55 | sussudio | so, i have a drive that's giving "Device: /dev/sdc, 2 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors" and "Device: /dev/sdc, 2 Offline uncorrectable sectors"... running a badblocks read/write scan on it now... that should force a relocation event, right? |
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| 16:42.17 | armani_ | mine? brokeder? |
| 16:43.15 | JordiGH | Mine can't decrypt my hard disk. Yours is kernel panicking. |
| 16:43.29 | armani_ | yeah i figured that much...any idea how to solve it? |
| 16:44.06 | JordiGH | Hm, I wonder if grub messed up. |
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| 16:45.02 | armani_ | well when i booted it said something about shared libraries unable to access object...something like that...i'm currently booting into a livecd to see if i can find anything.. |
| 16:45.30 | jeff_hann | sussudio, make sure you have backups |
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| 16:46.04 | sussudio | jeff_hann: OVH laughs at backups. this is the replacement drive, it's 2.5 years old and was failing from the start. |
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| 16:46.45 | jeff_hann | sussudio, happy happy joy joy |
| 16:47.06 | jhutchins_lt | dicee: You need to be root |
| 16:47.20 | jhutchins_lt | dicee: su - in the terminal, enter root's password. |
| 16:47.48 | armani_ | lol ok i forget how to fix this... |
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| 16:48.47 | sussudio | jeff_hann: they tried to "fix" the boot drive a couple of months ago and ended up mangling the filesystem... i have a sneaking suspicion that sdc is really the old sda drive. |
| 16:48.57 | Babalau | babilen: i'vemanaged to install the damn thing |
| 16:48.58 | Babalau | :D |
| 16:49.13 | babilen | !champagne Babalau |
| 16:49.13 | dpkg | puts on a sexy miniskirt and showers Babalau in the finest Mercier champagne. |
| 16:49.17 | sussudio | that's why i've written down the serial numbers now... |
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| 16:49.43 | jeff_hann | sussudio: good luck, you're gonna need it. |
| 16:49.44 | jhutchins_lt | System configuration from a GUI is pretty much a crapshoot. |
| 16:49.55 | jeff_hann | (as Han Solo would say.:) |
| 16:50.16 | Babalau | :D |
| 16:50.18 | jhutchins_lt | Gnome has been known to include menus for back-ends that don't exist. |
| 16:50.40 | bronaugh | man, I love LOM |
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| 16:51.22 | jeff_hann | Linux On Meth? :D |
| 16:51.22 | bronaugh | currently has full remote console access -- from home -- and has booted box off media stored here. |
| 16:51.29 | bronaugh | Lights Out Management |
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| 16:52.24 | jeff_hann | reading about it, seems cool |
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| 16:52.39 | crilly | iLO is good. |
| 16:52.40 | crilly | I really like HP's iLO. |
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| 16:52.44 | jhutchins_lt | dicee: Getting anywhere? |
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| 16:54.09 | Babalau | brb need to ask u something babilen |
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| 16:54.42 | babilen | is getting nervous ... |
| 16:54.58 | Babalau | :) |
| 16:55.09 | JordiGH | Okay, so guess I ran into this: http://readthefuckingmanual.net/error/491/ |
| 16:55.17 | JordiGH | How am I gonna fix this if I can't even boot? |
| 16:55.18 | JordiGH | Hm. |
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| 16:55.42 | babilen | JordiGH: If you use that cipher than yes |
| 16:55.55 | JordiGH | Yeah, I do. |
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| 16:56.43 | babilen | JordiGH: Can't you boot the old kernel? |
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| 16:56.54 | JordiGH | Nope, both got fucked up somehow |
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| 16:57.35 | babilen | Boot a live cd, chroot into the system |
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| 16:57.45 | JordiGH | Yay, now to find bootable media. |
| 16:58.48 | babilen | JordiGH: Add the module to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and run "update-initramfs" (it might be enough to add the module to /etc/modules though -- works here with sha512_generic) |
| 16:59.16 | JordiGH | Yeah, first I gotta boot the damn thing. |
| 16:59.24 | JordiGH | I think I have a usb pendrive somewhere. |
| 17:00.04 | JordiGH | has nothing. |
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| 17:09.06 | Scorpion1 | hi |
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| 17:09.10 | scrieler | hi |
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| 17:11.16 | scrieler | I have a virtual debian server as webdevelop machine. can anybody tell me how to setup this so I can override the php.ini settings with php.ini files in webroots? |
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| 17:14.16 | Nu^253r | hi, where can i change my aptitude mirror for downloading? |
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| 17:14.35 | jeff_hann | Nu^253r: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:14.47 | Nu^253r | thanx |
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| 17:15.20 | jeff_hann | maybe some reading wouldn't hurt , IMHO |
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| 17:16.06 | Nu^253r | i read the aptitude wiki, it didnt say jeff_hann |
| 17:16.20 | Nu^253r | this is my 18th hour on deb |
| 17:17.09 | keith4 | !mirrors |
| 17:17.09 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
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| 17:17.43 | Bushmills | Nu^253r: so when will you begin to rewrite the kernel? |
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| 17:18.03 | Nu^253r | not anytime soon Bushmills |
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| 17:21.55 | Madonna | How long does debootstrap take? |
| 17:22.00 | Madonna | And does it use wget? |
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| 17:22.33 | katspaugh | Hi! I want to upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze. "apt-get dist-upgrade" says he wants to delete libept0 for that purpose. Is it safe, considering that "ept" in Russian means "fuck"? |
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| 17:23.06 | Madonna | katspaugh: LOL |
| 17:23.17 | Bushmills | Madonna: depends mostly on your network speed |
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| 17:23.39 | Madonna | Bushmills: So it's downloading everything that was used to build the host Debian? |
| 17:23.40 | Bushmills | and yes, it uses wget |
| 17:23.44 | Madonna | ah |
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| 17:23.54 | nimred | Hello. How to proceed a manual installation ? |
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| 17:23.57 | Bushmills | Madonna: no. it downloads about ...120 or 130 packages |
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| 17:23.57 | katspaugh | Is libept0 an important package? It's connected to apt as far as I could understand. |
| 17:24.41 | Madonna | katspaugh: I would just let it do it, provided you have backups. |
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| 17:25.13 | ompaul | katspaugh: it is part of the backup process, it will want to delete lots to get to a new place from an old place. |
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| 17:25.32 | ompaul | katspaugh: s/backup/upgrade/ |
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| 17:27.13 | katspaugh | ompaul: Madonna: It says "libept0: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6 which is a virtual package.". Is it okay, too? |
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| 17:27.35 | petemc | katspaugh: are you following the release notes for the upgrade? |
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| 17:28.10 | katspaugh | petemc: Nope, probably I'd better do. |
| 17:28.26 | ompaul | katspaugh: if you don't let those things upgrade what do you think will happen, will the upgrade be complete? |
| 17:28.35 | Bushmills | katspaugh: apt-cache show libept0|grep ^Priority: |
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| 17:28.44 | petemc | katspaugh: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 17:29.14 | ompaul | katspaugh: how many people would be here complaining if the upgrade process was broken (and how quick would it have been fixed?) |
| 17:29.34 | katspaugh | Bushmills: Oh, "optional"! What a relief! |
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| 17:30.26 | babilen | katspaugh: Make sure you follow the squeeze release notes for the upgrade |
| 17:30.45 | babilen | katspaugh: (if you are not already doing that) |
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| 17:32.27 | katspaugh | ompaul: Yes, it must be the most trivial case. Nothing to worry about. |
| 17:32.29 | SparFux | Hi! Console-setup changed. Isn't there anymore XKBMODEL variable to configure XKB keyboard? |
| 17:32.32 | katspaugh | Thank you all! |
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| 17:35.15 | benignbala | Hi, I have LEnny installed on a Acer Aspire 4738 laptop. It has a Broadcom ethernet controller. lspci shows that. But I don't see a eth0 interface. Where can I get the best driver for that ? |
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| 17:36.32 | andevellicus | is there a way to get the context menu to come up with just the keyboard from within pcmanfm2? |
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| 17:37.37 | Bushmills | benignbala: which broadcom is that? |
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| 17:38.32 | benignbala | Bushmills: lspci says Broadcom corp. Device 1692 |
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| 17:39.35 | abrotman | benignbala: lspci -nn |
| 17:39.47 | erAbuelo | buenas |
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| 17:40.55 | benignbala | abrotman: 14e4:1692 |
| 17:41.03 | abrotman | :pciid 14e4:1692 |
| 17:41.09 | abrotman | judd: pciid 14e4:1692 |
| 17:41.11 | judd | [14e4:1692] is 'NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'tg3' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:1692 |
| 17:41.35 | abrotman | benignbala: why did you install lenny and not squeeze? |
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| 17:42.05 | benignbala | abrotman: I just had the first DVD of Squeeze. Lenny, I had the full set :( |
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| 17:43.06 | abrotman | isn't that what the internet is for ? |
| 17:43.16 | JordiGH | yeah, DVDs and CDs are starting to feel obsolee. |
| 17:43.17 | bronaugh | porn? |
| 17:43.19 | litcanu | a |
| 17:43.31 | JordiGH | obsolete |
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| 17:44.01 | benignbala | abrotman: Well, true. But, the network card should work for that :) |
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| 17:46.15 | Babalau | babilen: u still there ? |
| 17:46.21 | babilen | Babalau: sure |
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| 17:46.24 | babilen | !u |
| 17:46.24 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 17:46.57 | Babalau | babilen: how do i set graphics software |
| 17:46.57 | nimred | Hello. How to proceed a manual installation ? |
| 17:46.59 | Babalau | babilen: how do i set graphics software ? |
| 17:47.07 | nimred | i mean from scratch |
| 17:47.13 | Raptors | I'm have a prob setting up ident. I installed ident2 and forwarded the port via firestarter and router but I still get ident not found error |
| 17:47.28 | Raptors | but if I connect though ssh proxy it works |
| 17:47.30 | Raptors | ?!?! |
| 17:47.51 | babilen | Babalau: Please run "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" and give me the output |
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| 17:48.10 | Babalau | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Redwood PRO [Radeon HD 5500 Series] [1002:68d9] |
| 17:48.20 | Raptors | This is happening with both ident2 and oidentd |
| 17:48.25 | babilen | !tell Babalau -about radeon |
| 17:48.39 | Raptors | I tried turning off firestarter but the same prob still occures |
| 17:49.02 | babilen | Babalau: Can you make sense of those instructions? What is your status right now? |
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| 17:49.28 | Babalau | mmm |
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| 17:49.47 | babilen | !tell Babalau -about radeon firmware |
| 17:49.53 | Babalau | babilen: i understand what it does tell me |
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| 17:50.21 | Babalau | To acquire, ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 17:50.31 | Babalau | !ask non-free sources |
| 17:50.34 | Babalau | ? |
| 17:50.42 | Babalau | !tell non-free sources |
| 17:50.45 | SparFux | What are good minimal terminal emulators for Xorg with utf8 support in debian? |
| 17:50.48 | Babalau | !tell Babalau non-free sources |
| 17:50.52 | babilen | Babalau: Just mention "non-free sources" in the chat with dpkg or "/msg dpkg non-free sources" |
| 17:50.52 | twobitsprite | Babalau: try /msg dpkg non-free sources |
| 17:50.54 | Babalau | :)) |
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| 17:50.55 | Babalau | ah |
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| 17:51.00 | Babalau | =) |
| 17:51.32 | babilen | Babalau: Enable <contrib> too while you are at it |
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| 17:53.09 | Raptors | Does anyon eknow how to fix the ident prob? |
| 17:53.12 | Raptors | or what it could be? |
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| 17:53.38 | Babalau | babilen: thx ... |
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| 17:56.10 | amgarching | Hi, what is the siplest way to close specific ports on specific IP addresses/interfaces? |
| 17:56.33 | zleslie | amgarching: turn off the service |
| 17:56.49 | amgarching | this list is huge, http://wiki.debian.org/Firewalls is there an official blessed way? |
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| 17:57.26 | zleslie | amgarching: whats wrong with iptables? |
| 17:57.28 | amgarching | I have two interfaces, a daemon seems to accept connections on all IPs. |
| 17:58.13 | zleslie | which daemon? |
| 17:58.15 | amgarching | they are not persistent, from what I remember |
| 17:58.31 | zleslie | iptables-save > /etc/iptables.save |
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| 17:58.55 | zleslie | then in your interfaces file, pre-up iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.save |
| 17:59.00 | Babalau | babilen: didn't get the chance to work it out .. i gotta run with my wife about 1 hr or so.. i'll try to fix it after :) |
| 17:59.01 | zleslie | its persistent if you make it so |
| 17:59.06 | Babalau | ty though |
| 17:59.13 | babilen | Babalau: the wife or debian? |
| 17:59.32 | babilen | Babalau: Have a nice evening/day/morning/whatev :) |
| 18:00.02 | thewanderer1 | why does virt-manager add a "raw" storage device when I point it to a qcow2 image? |
| 18:00.09 | Babalau | babilen: the wife is always a work in progress =)) |
| 18:00.42 | Babalau | babilen: the debian can be fixed the wife... well.. noone could in the history of humankind :) |
| 18:00.53 | Babalau | cya |
| 18:00.57 | babilen | bai bai |
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| 18:03.02 | tobiasBora | , |
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| 18:03.07 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
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| 18:04.10 | tobiasBora | I would like a X session, so I've installed gdm and lxde. However, when I start gdm, I've an error : |
| 18:04.34 | tobiasBora | I've to configure gdm. |
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| 18:04.39 | tobiasBora | How could I do it ? |
| 18:05.52 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 18:05.52 | tobiasBora | nobody ? |
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| 18:06.34 | tobiasBora | wildc4rd: you say that it's evening and so nobody is here ? |
| 18:06.36 | dicee | hi guys.. got still the problem on my linux debian no internet connection |
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| 18:06.53 | jelly-home | tobiasBora: it's always evening _somewhere_ |
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| 18:07.11 | dicee | i can ping our home server.. but cant ping internet |
| 18:07.19 | tobiasBora | jelly-home: thanks ^^ And for my propleme ? |
| 18:07.34 | zleslie | tobiasBora: how about an error message, rather than " i have problem" |
| 18:07.40 | jelly-home | tobiasBora: your error is missing? |
| 18:07.49 | jelly-home | tobiasBora: unless "I've to configure gdm." is the exact error |
| 18:07.53 | zleslie | dicee: ip route |
| 18:07.55 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 18:07.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:07.58 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 18:07.58 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 18:08.09 | zleslie | jelly-home: you are so patient |
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| 18:08.42 | tobiasBora | jelly-home: I can't paste error because I can't copie and I have not X servor, but I'm trying write it : |
| 18:09.14 | tobiasBora | (I have to translate French in English, so I hope it will be understanding) |
| 18:09.16 | jelly-home | tobiasBora: oh, install pastebinit tool to be able to paste, and perhaps gpm so you have mouse support in console |
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| 18:09.27 | Raptors | actully I was wrong |
| 18:09.29 | jelly-home | !localized errors |
| 18:09.29 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LANG=C apt-get -f install |
| 18:09.30 | Raptors | it doesn't work on either |
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| 18:09.47 | Raptors | Does anyone know how I can go about debugging this ident server? |
| 18:09.58 | Raptors | I forward the port via firestarter and router |
| 18:10.03 | dicee | !ask i have a problem with making connection with internet. I'm runnign debian version 6.0.1a I386 when i try to ping www.google.com i got the error unkown host. When i ping my host server i got response. |
| 18:10.07 | Raptors | and tried disabling firestarter |
| 18:10.23 | jelly-home | Raptors: does telnetting from outside to the auth service port work? |
| 18:10.26 | zleslie | What is firestarted? |
| 18:10.34 | Raptors | firestarter* |
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| 18:10.37 | jelly-home | an iptables wrapper script I guess |
| 18:10.49 | Raptors | jelly, how do I do that? |
| 18:10.53 | zleslie | one amongst the masses |
| 18:11.11 | Raptors | jelly-home, |
| 18:11.17 | jelly-home | Raptors: telnet your-internet-ip 113 |
| 18:11.26 | jelly-home | Raptors: but you need to do it from outside |
| 18:11.47 | tobiasBora | jelly-home: So I've : |
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| 18:12.35 | Raptors | jelly-home, doesn't seem to be working :| |
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| 18:12.55 | jelly-home | Raptors: does telnet localhost 113 from your machine work? |
| 18:13.15 | Raptors | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 18:13.23 | tobiasBora | failed to start the X servor. It is likely that it is not set up correcly. Would you like to view the X servor outpout to diagnose the problem ? |
| 18:13.31 | amgarching | zleslie: thanks. Telnet rejected. How do I check that pre-up iptables-restore < ... works as expected? Without reboot? |
| 18:13.33 | jelly-home | Raptors: well then, check that your ident service is running at all |
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| 18:13.54 | zleslie | amgarching: ifdown ehtx; ifup ethx |
| 18:13.56 | jelly-home | tobiasBora: alright, pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:14.08 | tobiasBora | GDM: Xservor no found : /usr/bin/X : -audit -auth |
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| 18:14.20 | zleslie | amgarching: careful, you will drop the interface |
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| 18:14.31 | amgarching | zleslie: how do I clean iptables before that? |
| 18:14.43 | Raptors | jelly-home, it wasn't running. :| Well Is started it and I can connect to it locally but not remotely :\ |
| 18:14.48 | zleslie | amgarching: iptables -F |
| 18:14.52 | zleslie | amgarching: read manpages dood |
| 18:15.03 | zleslie | education starts with reading |
| 18:15.03 | tobiasBora | jelly-home: ok, but how could I paste it ? I can't go to internet and I think that I paste hear you will not happy... |
| 18:15.20 | amgarching | zleslie: done that a few years ago. Not an easy reading |
| 18:15.20 | zleslie | or getting whapped with a foam bat, eigher |
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| 18:15.24 | Raptors | bash@debian:~$ telnet localhost 113 | Trying ::1... | Trying 127.0.0.1... | Connected to localhost. | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 18:15.34 | zleslie | amgarching: not an excuse |
| 18:15.39 | tobiasBora | or mayby pastebinit do it ? |
| 18:15.46 | jelly-home | tobiasBora: use the pastebinit tool. |
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| 18:15.49 | Captain_Haddock | Bushmills: thanks. But that looks a little too complicated for a VPS of this size. (debootstrap) |
| 18:15.58 | tobiasBora | jelly-home: ok, I'm doing it |
| 18:16.06 | jelly-home | Raptors: so it works now, eh |
| 18:16.20 | Raptors | jelly-home, not remotely |
| 18:16.31 | Captain_Haddock | Does anybody have an idea how I might go ahead migrating my DNS system from a Plesk-managed CentOS VPS to a control-panel-less Debian box? |
| 18:16.36 | Raptors | telnet: connect to address ***.***.***.***: No route to host |
| 18:17.00 | jelly-home | Raptors: can you do a netstat -tupan | grep :113 |
| 18:17.19 | amgarching | zleslie: ok, flush/ifdow/ifup works as expected. Thanks! #debian is much better than a man page |
| 18:17.23 | Raptors | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:113 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 18:17.46 | nimred | Hello. How to proceed a manual installation ? |
| 18:17.49 | jelly-home | Raptors: if you did it as root it would even show which process is listenning |
| 18:17.54 | bronaugh | Raptors: dunno why you're bothering trying to hide your ip |
| 18:17.57 | bronaugh | Raptors: dsl-173-248-237-87.acanac.net |
| 18:17.58 | zleslie | amgarching: glad it works |
| 18:18.03 | simonlnu | amgarching: you should rtfm first though. we'll notice ;). |
| 18:18.08 | Raptors | 24136/ident2 |
| 18:18.24 | jelly-home | Raptors: but the interesting part is 0.0.0.0:* -- it means the service is listening on every ip of that machine, which is good |
| 18:18.54 | Raptors | I set it to accept form everyone in firestarter |
| 18:19.01 | jelly-home | Raptors: now you need to verify your local firewall settings, and your router NAT/port forwarding settings |
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| 18:19.22 | jelly-home | Raptors: pastebin the output of iptables-save command |
| 18:19.41 | tobiasBora | jelly-home: the file /var/log/Xorg doesn't exist... |
| 18:19.53 | jelly-home | tobiasBora: /var/log/Xorg.0.log doesn't exist? |
| 18:20.14 | tobiasBora | yes... |
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| 18:20.29 | jhutchins_lt2 | That suggests that X has never even attempted to start |
| 18:20.34 | Raptors | jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/fBEuZpZ0 |
| 18:20.46 | tobiasBora | Sorry, I've to go... Thanks for your help ! |
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| 18:20.55 | jelly-home | tobiasBora: verify you have packages xserver-xorg-core and xserver-xorg installed |
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| 18:21.38 | amgarching | zleslie: it was SLURM cluster scheduler: "srun -n 32 hostname" runs 32 instances on a few cluster nodes. |
| 18:21.57 | Raptors | jelly-home, I forwarded 113 on my router too |
| 18:22.14 | Raptors | and disabled "filter ident" in frewall setting |
| 18:22.20 | Raptors | (using ddwrt) |
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| 18:22.57 | zleslie | amgarching: what is? |
| 18:23.13 | jelly-home | Raptors: the iptables rules seem to allow the traffic, does it work better if you stop the local firewall and verify the iptables-save is empty of any -A lines? |
| 18:23.40 | amgarching | zleslie: a somewhat late reply to what kind of daemon that is .. |
| 18:24.05 | zleslie | amgarching: oh, increase verbosity of logging is the answer to your question |
| 18:24.10 | jelly-home | Raptors: is your IP 173.248.237.87, the one you seem to be ircing from? |
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| 18:25.02 | amgarching | you see, tell to the world you have a hole an a system, and they start guessing your IP |
| 18:25.31 | jelly-home | amgarching: $DEITY forbid it be used for debugging |
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| 18:26.13 | Raptors | <jelly-home> Raptors: is your IP 173.248.237.87, the one you seem to be ircing from? |
| 18:26.14 | Raptors | yes |
| 18:26.19 | Raptors | <jelly-home> Raptors: the iptables rules seem to allow the traffic, does it work better if you stop the local firewall and verify the iptables-save is empty of any -A lines? |
| 18:26.25 | Raptors | No it doesn't work if I turn it off |
| 18:26.36 | tobiasBora | jelly-home: I'm here, but not for long time : these to packages were not installed. So I'm installing him. |
| 18:27.00 | jelly-home | tobiasBora: /msg dpkg install x |
| 18:28.12 | jelly-home | Raptors: well, either your ISP is blocking inbound connections, or your router is misbehaving. It doesn't even answer pings. |
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| 18:28.54 | Raptors | how would internet work if it doesn't respond to inbound connections? |
| 18:28.59 | simonlnu | ugh. should allow some icmp there.... you can limit that too, so you aren't opening yourself to ping floods |
| 18:28.59 | Raptors | or irc |
| 18:29.18 | bronaugh | Raptors: just fine. remember, connections, not packets. |
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| 18:29.58 | jelly-home | Raptors: it would work just fine, since all of those are outbound connections, initiated from your network toward the internet |
| 18:30.32 | Raptors | jelly-home, try now |
| 18:30.40 | Raptors | I turned off firestarter |
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| 18:31.50 | jelly-home | Raptors: nope |
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| 18:32.39 | jelly-home | Raptors: compare with my router: telnet 213.191.139.215 113 -- it should let you connect and immediately disconnect you |
| 18:32.42 | Raptors | jelly-home, ddwrt is set to Block Anonymous WAN Requests (ping) |
| 18:32.49 | Raptors | Filter Multicast |
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| 18:33.42 | jelly-home | Raptors: I have no idea what ddwrt features actually mean in terms of, say, iptables rules. |
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| 18:34.30 | jelly-home | filter -- is that blocking? syn limiting? accepting with logging? |
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| 18:34.48 | Raptors | its working now that I disabled that fireware... |
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| 18:34.51 | Raptors | firewall* |
| 18:34.52 | Raptors | ping |
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| 18:34.56 | Nu^253r | how do i find wich release of debian i have? |
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| 18:35.04 | Raptors | I wonder if Ident will work now |
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| 18:35.11 | jelly-home | Raptors: yeah, ping works! |
| 18:35.14 | jelly-home | \o/ |
| 18:35.27 | jelly-home | tcp/113, still no go |
| 18:35.30 | Raptors | that's one tight firewall |
| 18:35.34 | Raptors | because I didn't turn it on |
| 18:35.37 | rafanovas | do I need to forward ports internally in Debian? I can access my site but other can't, I was wondering if Debian has some port protection |
| 18:35.39 | Raptors | I got disconnected |
| 18:35.58 | Raptors | jelly-home, now try |
| 18:35.59 | jelly-home | Raptors: find a dd-wrt irc channel or other support venue, it doesn't seem Debian is to fault here |
| 18:36.04 | babilen | Nu^253r: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:36.20 | Nu^253r | cheers |
| 18:36.37 | babilen | Nu^253r: lsb-release might be interesting too |
| 18:36.50 | zleslie | Nu^253r: facter might also be interesting |
| 18:36.50 | jelly-home | Raptors: nope. Try asking in #dd-wrt |
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| 18:41.24 | a931bw | hello everybody, how do i resolve this problem?: http://pastebin.com/HpZ4Ecz2 |
| 18:41.32 | rafanovas | does Debian has firewall rules? I can access my site from my machine but others can't |
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| 18:42.07 | ompaul | rafanovas: is your machine on your home lan? |
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| 18:42.39 | rafanovas | ompaul: yes, but the port is already forwarded and I can access from my external ip adress |
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| 18:43.30 | a931bw | how do i install kde3 in debian sid? |
| 18:43.34 | ompaul | rafanovas: how do you know you can get to it remotely? |
| 18:44.03 | ompaul | rafanovas: if you are remote and they are remote then they should be able to get to it |
| 18:44.27 | rafanovas | ompaul: I am not remote, I'm saying that I can access through my external ip address from the same machine |
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| 18:44.52 | jelly-home | a931bw: there is no kde3 in Debian stable or newer any more. |
| 18:45.05 | ompaul | rafanovas: that is not good enough |
| 18:45.30 | ompaul | rafanovas: there is no firewall unless you enable it |
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| 18:45.33 | a931bw | but any way to get it> |
| 18:46.20 | ompaul | rafanovas: is the machine on a home network? (maybe your isp blocks it) |
| 18:46.29 | jelly-home | a931bw: how desperate are you? you could get source from http://www.trinitydesktop.org/ and try building it, or try ruining your installation with their Debian 5.0 packages |
| 18:46.43 | ompaul | rafanovas: therefore you are on the inside of that track and can get to the box but those outside can't |
| 18:46.50 | a931bw | http://pastebin.com/HpZ4Ecz2 |
| 18:46.52 | jelly-home | a931bw: naturally none of this would be supported by Debian |
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| 18:47.58 | jelly-home | a931bw: right. Their installation instructions are somewhat incomplete. |
| 18:48.19 | ompaul | rafanovas: have you enabled the port on your dsl router to forward to your computer? |
| 18:48.46 | rafanovas | ompaul: yes, I think some program is blocking the port, I'll try another one, thanks |
| 18:48.46 | Raptors | dd-wrt is dead :( |
| 18:48.51 | jelly-home | a931bw: no need to use "sudo" when you're already root |
| 18:48.55 | a931bw | i know |
| 18:48.59 | a931bw | i copy pasted command |
| 18:49.04 | a931bw | from theyr side |
| 18:49.06 | a931bw | site* |
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| 18:50.03 | jelly-home | a931bw: well, be mroe careful when copy/pasting. Anyway, you could try using aptitude to install, it it often more verbose with details of why a package can't be installed |
| 18:50.26 | jelly-home | a931bw: also note the packages are for squeeze and lenny, not for current sid |
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| 18:53.10 | ompaul | rafanovas: eh, what do you mean "[19:48:45] <rafanovas> ompaul: yes, I think some program is blocking the port, I'll try another one, thanks" dsl router is dsl router .. not a program |
| 18:53.56 | rafanovas | rafanovas: I was binding to port 80, I have programs that use this port, now I binded to 8090, and everything works fine (: |
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| 18:55.22 | Nu^253r | can i have the new Xfce4.8 on squeez? or is it only on sid? |
| 18:56.05 | Bushmills | ,versions xfce4 |
| 18:56.07 | judd | Package xfce4 on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2.1; lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.6.2; wheezy: 4.6.2; sid: 4.8.0.1 |
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| 18:56.32 | Bushmills | patience |
| 18:56.52 | Nu^253r | i need to find some |
| 18:57.00 | a931bw | FNK |
| 18:57.01 | a931bw | FML |
| 18:57.04 | a931bw | using ppa repo now |
| 18:57.29 | Nu^253r | maybe aptitue install patience will do?! |
| 18:58.18 | Bushmills | if aptitude is compatible with your lymbic system |
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| 18:58.40 | Nu^253r | lymbic? |
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| 18:59.01 | Bushmills | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lymbic_system |
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| 19:01.15 | Madonna | What's a good VPS host for Debian? |
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| 19:02.43 | babilen | Madonna: gandi comes to mind -- check http://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting |
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| 19:03.10 | Madonna | hmm |
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| 19:03.35 | grim_fandango | What isn't ext4 the default filesystem for Squeeze? |
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| 19:05.08 | Bushmills | define "default file system" in the light that you choose file systems during installation yourself |
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| 19:05.23 | Nu^253r | where is the place to go to to have ur debian related questions answered to, as in a forum? |
| 19:05.36 | grim_fandango | Default as-in, if I don't select something else then ext3 is what I get. |
| 19:05.52 | Bushmills | there's your answer. "because ext3 is" |
| 19:06.05 | Captain_Haddock | Nu^253r: http://www.debian.org/support |
| 19:06.11 | grim_fandango | Bushmills: That's hardly an answer |
| 19:06.27 | bronaugh | ext3 is crap. |
| 19:06.33 | bronaugh | dunno why the hell anyone would run it vs ext4 |
| 19:06.37 | Captain_Haddock | Madonna: I'm using Linode and I can give you a free referral code if you like ;) |
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| 19:06.53 | landscape69 | hi |
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| 19:07.16 | akio | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.23 | Nu^253r | thanx Captain_Haddock |
| 19:07.42 | landscape69 | there is intention to make update for xcb-util at next? xcb-util-0.38 is already released since awhile |
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| 19:09.39 | babilen | landscape69: Which package are you referring to? |
| 19:09.50 | Madonna | Captain_Haddock: What's the ref code? |
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| 19:11.38 | Madonna | Captain_Haddock: I'm about to buy Linode :) |
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| 19:12.05 | grim_fandango | Linode is a smart choice. We've been using them for a while. |
| 19:12.34 | petemc | me too, very happy |
| 19:13.04 | Madonna | I want to move to managing xen on our own dedicated server that's currently idle, but we just don't have time to set that up right now |
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| 19:13.31 | petemc | it takes 10 minutes! |
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| 19:16.01 | jelly-home | bronaugh: in my experience ext3 is still the safest bet, in terms of bug numbers and recoverability |
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| 19:16.52 | Madonna | petemc: If you know what you're doing |
| 19:16.58 | jelly-home | bronaugh: the only thing it can be called "crap" for is performance in some workloads |
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| 19:19.10 | petemc | Madonna: thats true, and linode is cheap and works well so fair enough |
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| 19:19.59 | torrancew | also, linode has some pretty extensive APIs in most programming languages :) |
| 19:20.29 | landscape69 | babilen: http://xcb.freedesktop.org/dist/ |
| 19:21.24 | Madonna | petemc: I'll move to doing my own thing with Xen once I have learned with it on my own machine :) |
| 19:21.33 | Madonna | For production, we needed something ASAP |
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| 19:22.39 | petemc | Madonna: http://wiki.debian.org/Xen has some useful info |
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| 19:23.02 | babilen | landscape69: 0.3.6 is packages and 0.3.8 was released like what, 3 days ago? |
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| 19:23.24 | Madonna | Yeah, I read through that and got something running, but I'm not ready to do it on production yet |
| 19:23.50 | Madonna | All I know is I had one guest in domU |
| 19:24.07 | petemc | all good |
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| 19:28.13 | anoninon | what exactly is ioerror 11, what causes it? |
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| 19:30.22 | landscape69 | babilen: can be but maybe its time to testing it XD |
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| 19:30.50 | babilen | landscape69: Then test it |
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| 19:37.36 | Ox41464b | im using 2x Intel Xeon E5506 (2x Quad Core) with 12GB memory, which dvd-iso should i download ? |
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| 19:38.04 | bronaugh | amd64 |
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| 19:38.06 | babilen | Ox41464b: amd64 netinstall wouldn't be the worsest choice :) |
| 19:38.18 | Ox41464b | amd...? |
| 19:38.38 | babilen | Ox41464b: Don't you have a working network connection or why do you want/need the DVD? |
| 19:38.50 | babilen | Ox41464b: yes, amd64 |
| 19:39.05 | Ox41464b | babilen, well why would i need to redownload again next time if need to install on another server ? |
| 19:39.07 | bronaugh | aka x86-64 |
| 19:39.14 | erAbuelo | a currar un rato, luego vuelvo |
| 19:40.07 | babilen | Ox41464b: If you have many server on the network you might want to use something like apt-cacher-ng -- But I was just asking, as you *will* download a bunch of packages you'll never need. Especially on a server. |
| 19:41.19 | Ox41464b | babilen, this is my first experience with debian, usually i do with centos, im so sorry if i dont understand the term "apt-cacher-ng" |
| 19:41.24 | babilen | Ox41464b: I wouldn't be surprised if you would download less if you use the netinstall to install a couple of machines ... |
| 19:41.48 | jelly-home | Ox41464b: it's an apt-specific proxy you'd use. |
| 19:41.53 | babilen | Ox41464b: It is a service that caches downloaded packages and makes them available to other systems on the network |
| 19:41.58 | bronaugh | Ox41464b: local cache of packages. |
| 19:42.25 | babilen | Ox41464b: Think of it as Squid for debian packages :) |
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| 19:43.28 | Ox41464b | for minimal server setup, its there any iso arounds? (except dvd of course) |
| 19:44.06 | bronaugh | Ox41464b: yeah. download one of the net install CDs |
| 19:44.10 | bronaugh | then you'll only download the packages you use |
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| 19:44.57 | Ox41464b | which one better? 40mb or 180mb ? |
| 19:45.05 | Ox41464b | Small/Smaller CDs |
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| 19:46.01 | dvs | Ox41464b: The netinst one (180MB) |
| 19:46.10 | Ox41464b | Thanks |
| 19:46.18 | dvs | np |
| 19:46.18 | babilen | Get the netinstall not the businesscard as it allows you to install a minimal system directly from the CD. If you have hardware that needs non-free firmware, you might want to get the firmware netinstall images -- /msg dpkg firmware image -- Or provide the firmware on a USB stick (see the installation guide for details) |
| 19:46.27 | Ox41464b | hopefully nginx works easier here... |
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| 19:46.43 | Ox41464b | Thanks^^ |
| 19:47.22 | babilen | Ox41464b: I am referring to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en |
| 19:47.36 | kof | Hi is there somewhere a good reference for Puppet on Squeeze? I have been usuccessful using steps in the "Pro Puppet" book that recently came out |
| 19:48.18 | foetus | near finish mirroring lenny/squeeze i386,amd64/i386.. |
| 19:48.37 | dvs | foetus: After how many days? ;-) |
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| 19:48.51 | foetus | few hours. |
| 19:48.55 | dvs | o_O |
| 19:48.59 | dvs | must be nice |
| 19:49.23 | ompaul | kof: not having tried it - have a look and see how uptodate it is and how logical it is https://wiki.koumbit.net/PuppetMasterDebianInstall |
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| 19:50.33 | foetus | dvs: hard work at the beginning, but then you lay back. |
| 19:51.35 | dvs | !beer foetus |
| 19:51.36 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Spaten Optimator for foetus |
| 19:52.00 | kof | Hmm, same results with stabel and backports :-( |
| 19:52.22 | foetus | beer?wine! :) |
| 19:52.35 | dvs | !wine foetus |
| 19:52.36 | dpkg | pours foetus a nice glass of Pinot Gris |
| 19:52.44 | dvs | better? |
| 19:53.01 | foetus | speechless. |
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| 19:53.23 | kof | I just have the feeling the puppet package got too much debianized so normal manuals don't work anymore ;-) |
| 19:53.58 | foetus | would suggest an old german weinbrand at the end.. and then.. taxi :) |
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| 19:54.27 | foetus | !joke |
| 19:54.27 | dpkg | stop abusing the bot already |
| 19:54.37 | foetus | haha |
| 19:54.42 | foetus | sorry |
| 19:55.34 | kof | still frustrating, I was so motivated to get into on Debian before I did some steps back on Ubuntu a bit earlier... |
| 19:56.28 | axyjo | Hi all, I'm having some trouble with getting my BCM4312 wireless card in my laptop to work with debian. I'm running squeeze and I've installed the broadcom-sta-modules and regenerated my initramfs. I've also installed rfkill. For some reason, my laptop's physical switch is still orange (turned off) and rfkill shows no devices. I see the interface if I type in 'ifconfig eth1' but when i scan using 'iwlist eth1 scan', I get an "invalid |
| 19:56.29 | axyjo | Thanks! |
| 19:56.55 | axyjo | (I should also mention that dmesg and /var/log/messages don't show much useful information except for the name of the card) |
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| 20:01.23 | ompaul | kof: puppet is something I neither know or understand so I have no idea what you want or whatever |
| 20:01.50 | anathema | hi, i want test my "micro" to talk with google talk plz |
| 20:01.56 | anathema | i use Debian and Chrome |
| 20:02.20 | kof | I maybe try to install either from source or on a distro who doesn't bringt that much own mods (which normally are really great) but - hinder more at very early learning |
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| 20:02.50 | bst | axyjo: maybe help, http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 20:02.50 | ompaul | kof: this is for setting up users? |
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| 20:03.08 | anathema | tks |
| 20:03.12 | anathema | i will try taht |
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| 20:03.30 | kof | ompaul: No configuration management for server / nodes etc. |
| 20:03.39 | tobiasBora | Hello again ! (in this moment, I'm often in this IRC channel !) |
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| 20:03.56 | anathema | Hello |
| 20:04.00 | dvs | allo |
| 20:04.01 | Qualcuno | hello |
| 20:04.09 | streuner | hi |
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| 20:04.21 | tobiasBora | first, jelly-home, tanks for your help for the X server, it work ^^ |
| 20:04.24 | Torne | in debian-installer, is there a way to format an entire drive instead of creating a partition table? |
| 20:04.48 | babilen | Torne: What do you mean? |
| 20:04.52 | esto | create a partition table with only 1 partition isnt enough ? |
| 20:04.56 | dvs | Torne: You have to create a partition table of some sort |
| 20:05.00 | tobiasBora | After, I've juste a little question about the command line ftp : how coul I get a directory ? Thanks. |
| 20:05.05 | axyjo | bst: thanks, i'll try that |
| 20:05.12 | Torne | it's a disk image, if it gets partitioned it will be much harder to use the image afterward |
| 20:05.13 | Qualcuno | I'm having issues when connecting to a remote server using ssh and private keys. I added the rsa public key to /root/.ssh/authorized_keys , but it's not accepting the key and keeps asking for the password. why?? |
| 20:05.31 | babilen | Torne: What is a disk image? |
| 20:05.32 | Qualcuno | these are the last lines reported by ssh -v when trying to connect: http://pastie.org/1844720 |
| 20:05.35 | zleslie | apyone using apt-cacher ? |
| 20:05.50 | Torne | babilen: i'm running the installer inside qemu |
| 20:05.54 | zleslie | I have problems with all the apt caching programs out there. Wondering if there is a better solution |
| 20:05.56 | Torne | it's using a disk image file as a hard disk. |
| 20:05.57 | babilen | zleslie: Most people use apt-cacher-ng nowadays -- Check popcon for numbers |
| 20:06.27 | jelly-home | tobiasBora: yeah, it helps if you install X first |
| 20:06.37 | babilen | Torne: You still have to create filesystems and partition the "drive" |
| 20:06.46 | zleslie | babilen: yeah, so I have been using apt-cacher-ng on my network to make speedy rebuilds, but its been flaky. |
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| 20:07.08 | Torne | babilen: Not unless the installer forces me to |
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| 20:07.21 | Torne | It's perfectly possible to have the whole disk be a bare filesystem |
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| 20:08.27 | zleslie | I might just go squid |
| 20:09.16 | babilen | !tell zleslie -about squid deb caching |
| 20:09.21 | Qualcuno | no one can help me? |
| 20:09.27 | babilen | zleslie: #debian on irc.debian.org / irc.oftc.net if busy with apt-cacher-ng now -- You probably get better help there right now :) |
| 20:09.37 | f11f12 | I've got this http://pastie.org/1844737 in my sources.list Is this sufficient to get all the security updates? I had to enter them manually because at installation time I had no network access |
| 20:09.44 | tabakhase | as robie sad: "im beeing nginx instead" |
| 20:09.44 | kof | Will try then - bye |
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| 20:10.09 | Torne | babilen: so are you saying "no there is no way to make d-i do that" or do you just mean that it's not possible to not have a partition table :) |
| 20:10.13 | dvs | f11f12: Looks fine to me. |
| 20:10.28 | f11f12 | dvs: thanks :-) |
| 20:10.31 | dvs | np |
| 20:10.43 | dvs | f11f12: I'd do an update to make sure. |
| 20:10.45 | f11f12 | IS there a tool that will do unattended updates? |
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| 20:11.30 | tobiasBora | nobody know how to download a whole folder by ftp in tty (or emacs) ? |
| 20:11.47 | zleslie | babilen: sweet, thanks for the tell |
| 20:11.52 | babilen | f11f12: yes "unattended-upgrades" |
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| 20:12.12 | f11f12 | good name for the packet |
| 20:12.15 | babilen | f11f12: But unattended upgrades are not a good idea :) |
| 20:12.24 | f11f12 | why? |
| 20:12.33 | dvs | tobiasBora: mget |
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| 20:12.41 | f11f12 | it's my home server box, should be ok, no? |
| 20:13.13 | f11f12 | E: Unable to locate package unattended-upgrades :-( |
| 20:13.38 | babilen | f11f12: I would still very much prefer to do the upgrades personally in case something goes wrong. Interaction might also be needed, but read the documentation for unattended-upgrades as this is discussed there IIRC |
| 20:13.48 | bronaugh | unattended-upgrades - automatic installation of security upgrades |
| 20:13.49 | babilen | ,versions unattended-upgrades |
| 20:13.53 | judd | Package unattended-upgrades on i386 -- lenny: 0.25.1debian1-0.1; squeeze: 0.62.2; sid: 0.70; wheezy: 0.70 |
| 20:14.15 | f11f12 | ok, my sources.list must be incomplete then |
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| 20:14.34 | dvs | <dvs> f11f12: I'd do an update to make sure. |
| 20:14.54 | babilen | f11f12: "apt-cache policy" + "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" + "apt-cache policy unattended-upgrades" → http://paste.debian.net please :) |
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| 20:15.03 | babilen | !tell f11f12 -about squeeze sources.list |
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| 20:15.35 | tobiasBora | dvs: when I type only mget <directory> He ask me for every file, and when I answer y, I've : |
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| 20:15.44 | tobiasBora | mget bapteme.tex?y |
| 20:15.45 | tobiasBora | 200 PORT command successful |
| 20:15.45 | tobiasBora | 550 Can't open bapteme.tex: No such file or directory |
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| 20:16.17 | dvs | tobiasBora: The prompts can be turned off by the "prompt" command. As for the permission denied, I don't know. |
| 20:18.22 | tobiasBora | dvs : you use line command "ftp" or an other program ? |
| 20:18.38 | dvs | tobiasBora: I used ftp |
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| 20:20.01 | tabakhase | dvs ncftp ? |
| 20:20.06 | tabakhase | no plenk.. |
| 20:20.24 | dvs | I just use a web browser now. |
| 20:20.25 | cusco_ | lftp |
| 20:21.02 | babilen | throws gftp in the ring -- but FTP MUST DIE! (/msg dpkg ftp must die) |
| 20:21.19 | tabakhase | browser to download whole directory? |
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| 20:21.36 | bronaugh | babilen: lftp as client because it also does sftp |
| 20:21.40 | tabakhase | babilen scp+ |
| 20:21.54 | dvs | tabakhase: I haven't used a browser to do that but I haven't had the need to download an entire directory in a long time. |
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| 20:22.50 | tobiasBora | And every body, what programm do you use ? ftp ? |
| 20:23.11 | tabakhase | i missed some |
| 20:23.19 | tobiasBora | if possible I would like use ftp with emacs but if it's not possible... |
| 20:23.33 | jhutchins_lt | wget |
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| 20:24.05 | jelly-home | tobiasBora: lftp is nice |
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| 20:27.50 | tobiasBora | Thanks, I've to sleep. Thanks again for your help ! |
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| 20:38.32 | foetus | any suggestions on xfs? and, is it secure and stable enough this time? somewhat about velocity ? |
| 20:39.33 | foetus | is saving his mirror.. |
| 20:39.35 | DammitJim | foetus, I'm using xfs |
| 20:39.49 | bronaugh | foetus: what about xfs? |
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| 20:40.40 | foetus | DammitJim: and how fast is it to known filesystems yet? |
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| 20:40.49 | caraconan | Good night. It is possible to change 'datadir' in mysql to a NFS partition? |
| 20:40.57 | DammitJim | I don't know if it is my machine or the filesystem |
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| 20:41.07 | foetus | *compared with |
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| 20:41.14 | DammitJim | yes, caraconan |
| 20:41.30 | DammitJim | as long as you can get your priviledges right |
| 20:42.36 | jhutchins_lt | caraconan: What kind of load does the mysql server have on it? |
| 20:42.38 | simonlnu | foetus: xfs has been around since the 2.4 days |
| 20:43.18 | caraconan | Just a lab. At the moment I can't |
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| 20:43.53 | foetus | simonlnu: uups, didn't known that. |
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| 20:44.04 | caraconan | http://pastebin.com/U1Nci3NC |
| 20:44.11 | caraconan | I changed permissions to 777 |
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| 20:44.19 | simonlnu | why? |
| 20:44.46 | simonlnu | fix your nfs mount instead |
| 20:45.01 | foetus | look at the number ;) |
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| 20:45.15 | Zitter | is there a way to isntall latest version of chromium on D&? |
| 20:45.19 | Zitter | *D6 ? |
| 20:45.52 | caraconan | I can read/write my NFS unit |
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| 20:46.06 | caraconan | I can't see anything in the NFS server |
| 20:46.12 | simonlnu | can the daemon? can it make locks? |
| 20:47.01 | jhutchins_lt | caraconan: If this were a system that had significant traffic, especially if it were from the network, it could be a bad bottleneck. |
| 20:47.31 | caraconan | We have this in production in my work, but in this case is just a lab |
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| 20:47.37 | foetus | is copying 28GB mirror data to usb hd..near finish.. |
| 20:48.43 | DammitJim | man, my backup is almost done... just 100GB more |
| 20:49.27 | caraconan | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/multiple-servers.html -> it gives a clue. I think InnoDB does not want shared environments. I will continue reading |
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| 20:49.54 | simonlnu | innodb is also an awful memory hog |
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| 20:52.38 | caraconan | <simonlnu> any alternative to innodb tables? I mean, there's another engine that support constraints in mysql? |
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| 20:54.33 | Crell | Hi folks. What determines whether or not a given user's bash login will source the /etc/bashrc file? |
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| 20:54.50 | Crell | I have a system where it appears to be happening for some users but not all, even though most do have a source line in their own .bashrc file. |
| 20:55.09 | fenugreek | bah, I knew how to fix that once |
| 20:55.22 | jhutchins_lt | Crell: Are they all using the same shell? |
| 20:55.26 | catsup | are they using ssh? |
| 20:55.36 | Crell | We're all using bash and logging in via ssh. |
| 20:55.38 | simonlnu | caraconan: not in mysql no. mariadb i think does. |
| 20:55.47 | catsup | there's an oddity with ssh -t |
| 20:55.59 | caraconan | ok, thanks |
| 20:56.05 | catsup | not documented correctly in debian iirc |
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| 20:56.24 | Crell | catsup: I don't believe we're using -t. |
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| 20:56.35 | catsup | well are you supplying commands to ssh |
| 20:56.37 | Crell | Most people are logging in via ssh from a Mac. A few from Linux. |
| 20:56.44 | Crell | No, just ssh user@servername |
| 20:56.46 | catsup | ok |
| 20:56.52 | catsup | nevermind that then |
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| 20:57.01 | Arrowmaster | Crell: bashrc is only sourced for non login shells, so typically ~/.profile or ~/.bash_profile will source ~/.bashrc, i would have to check to find the behavior for /etc/bashrc |
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| 20:57.13 | Crell | Non-login shells? |
| 20:57.35 | epsilon | how can you see which OS a SSH-Client is using? |
| 20:57.38 | catsup | ssh is login shell |
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| 20:57.45 | jelly-home | Crell: a loacl terminal opened, or a shell inside a screen session |
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| 20:57.49 | jelly-home | local* |
| 20:57.54 | Crell | Ah. |
| 20:58.02 | Arrowmaster | catsup: it can be used as a non login shell too but thats not typical |
| 20:58.08 | catsup | when you ssh in, it will execute bash profile only |
| 20:58.18 | Crell | Hm. |
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| 20:58.37 | jelly-home | epsilon: not easily, why? |
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| 20:59.01 | dserban | How badly would I break squeeze if I went with a newer vanilla kernel? I need write levelling support on a few servers that have ssd drives, and that requires ext4 + kernel 2.6.33+ |
| 20:59.22 | bronaugh | dserban: considering I just did that, and it works fine, you won't. |
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| 20:59.31 | fenugreek | not much reason it'd break |
| 20:59.34 | dserban | bronaugh: nice what kernel version? |
| 20:59.39 | bronaugh | dserban: 2.6.38 |
| 20:59.46 | jelly-home | dserban: changing the kernel for a newer one typically isn't a big deal. Make sure you have initramfs and squashfs support |
| 20:59.49 | dserban | bronaugh: vanilla or sid sources? |
| 20:59.52 | bronaugh | sid source. |
| 21:00.00 | catsup | dserban: should be no problem, people do it all the time, *newer* linux kernel isn't supposed to break compatibility -- but it's up to linus |
| 21:00.01 | bronaugh | has a bunch of NFS fixes that may help the problem I've been having. |
| 21:00.12 | Crell | catsup, Arrowmaster: Well, between a working user (me) and a non-working user, both of our .bash_profile files call our .bashrc files, and our .bashrc files both call /etc/bashrc. |
| 21:00.16 | Crell | So... I am still confused. |
| 21:00.39 | dserban | I used to do it to sid, but I'm ready to handle breakage on my sid machines, squeeze servers... not so much. |
| 21:00.41 | jelly-home | Crell: eh... add a "set -x" in there and see what happens? |
| 21:00.50 | dserban | I guess I'm just getting fuddy in my old age. |
| 21:00.51 | Crell | set-x in where? |
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| 21:01.01 | Arrowmaster | Crell: dont worry im even more confused, i cant find out where /etc/bashrc is called on my own system |
| 21:01.02 | Crell | doesn't know what a set-x is. |
| 21:01.04 | bronaugh | dserban: meh; squeeze isn't crusty yet :) |
| 21:01.06 | Crell | lol |
| 21:01.07 | jelly-home | Crell: the first rc file invoked |
| 21:01.07 | dserban | Crell: in your script. |
| 21:01.09 | Crell | Oh good. :-) |
| 21:01.14 | catsup | set-x != set -x |
| 21:01.31 | Crell | blinks. |
| 21:01.32 | bronaugh | dserban: I actually migrated a machine to squeeze from oldsid last night. |
| 21:01.36 | dserban | bronaugh: heh, sure broke my lenny machines, I'm tired of late nights :P |
| 21:01.39 | Arrowmaster | this is part of why i hate bash, the conf file stuff is so screwed up |
| 21:01.40 | jelly-home | Crell: not set-x, "set -x" ... -x is an argument for the internal set command |
| 21:01.49 | bronaugh | dserban: went fine. |
| 21:01.54 | Crell | Um, I don't know more about bashrc files than how to add an alias definition. So I'm not sure I follow what you're suggesteing. |
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| 21:02.25 | dserban | bronaugh: yep, in some cases it went fine for me too, but a couple just totally bit it... wouldn't boot etc. t'was good times. |
| 21:02.30 | jelly-home | Crell: that set makes bash wruote out each line of the script as it's interpreting it |
| 21:02.38 | jelly-home | write* out |
| 21:02.40 | bronaugh | dserban: yeah this one didn't boot -- but that was because NFS had hosed the kernel. |
| 21:02.48 | bronaugh | such that trying to update grub deadlocked. |
| 21:02.54 | bronaugh | also, fuck NFS in the ear. |
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| 21:03.01 | jelly-home | Crell: basically you get some simple debugging output |
| 21:03.02 | dserban | The problem with a situation like that is that I can't report bugs properly, I'm in such a hurry to get the production machine back online, that I brute force whatever I can as fast as I can to get 'er running. |
| 21:03.09 | dserban | So I don't really know what broke any of them. |
| 21:03.17 | Crell | Ah, I see. So just put "set -x" as the first line of the bash_profile file? |
| 21:03.33 | jelly-home | Crell: pretty much. |
| 21:03.35 | Arrowmaster | second line probably |
| 21:03.51 | jelly-home | Arrowmaster: no need. |
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| 21:03.59 | dserban | bronaugh: hah, nfs.. why can't that ever be done right? NFS killed a whole app setup here. 50 machines using ltsp, all torn out because our backend "homes" server couldn't handle the load via nfs... |
| 21:04.07 | jelly-home | it's not a shebang script |
| 21:04.35 | Arrowmaster | i dont use bash so i was just thinking safe |
| 21:04.35 | bronaugh | dserban: in this case processes working in directories on NFS were deadlocking on IO |
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| 21:04.47 | Crell | I went with third line, just for kicks. :-) |
| 21:04.50 | Crell | Now to login again |
| 21:04.53 | bronaugh | eventually they might undeadlock, but some didn't and others took 6+ hours. |
| 21:05.06 | dserban | bronaugh: oh sounds familiar, or something quite similar... what were the symptoms? and what version of NFS? |
| 21:05.16 | bronaugh | dserban: v3 and v4 |
| 21:05.18 | dserban | bronaugh: holy mack... |
| 21:05.20 | bronaugh | I did a switch last week. |
| 21:05.41 | bronaugh | how to reproduce: copy files to a directory, try listing said directory. |
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| 21:05.47 | bronaugh | voila, insta-deadlock for the ls process. |
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| 21:05.51 | dserban | ... |
| 21:05.56 | dserban | yikes. |
| 21:06.02 | bronaugh | yeah. |
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| 21:06.18 | bronaugh | of course, it -could- have to do with the raft of memory corruption bugs they fixed between 2.6.36 and 2.6.38... |
| 21:06.30 | dserban | bet you had some other admin kinda guy, telling you to use samba instead.. right? :/ |
| 21:06.37 | bronaugh | nope. |
| 21:06.49 | bronaugh | just had a lot of annoyed users of said machine wondering why I couldn't fix the problem RIGHT NOW. |
| 21:06.52 | dserban | heh, just trying to draw parallels :P |
| 21:07.41 | dserban | oh yeah, that's standard... why does linux suck so hard? windows wouldn't do this etc... I swear I'm gonna thoroughly lose it one day... |
| 21:07.54 | bronaugh | anyhow I'm now running NFS over TCP |
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| 21:08.08 | bronaugh | figure it might get rid of problems involving toasted packets |
| 21:08.09 | cryptopsy | where does top get info about individual CPU core usage? |
| 21:08.27 | bronaugh | dserban: oh; people -know- windows is worse here |
| 21:08.35 | bronaugh | but desktop machines don't tend to pull this kind of weird shit. |
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| 21:08.47 | bronaugh | less weird hw, less complicated setups, etc. |
| 21:08.55 | bronaugh | don't have samba accessing files hosted on nfs |
| 21:08.57 | bronaugh | yeah... |
| 21:09.43 | dserban | oh you're lucky... I have to defend these decisions every month, when something goes sideways. What I've found in the past year, is that Intel really isn't the "enterprise" level hardware manufacturer that I believed. Their hardware is utter shit. |
| 21:10.20 | bronaugh | since I'm running Xeon 5520/5620 stuff ... what have you run into? |
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| 21:11.09 | fenugreek | well, making processors isn't the same as making other things |
| 21:11.39 | bronaugh | shrug. honestly, I ran into less issues running linux on desktop-grade hw. |
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| 21:11.54 | jelly-home | cryptopsy: press 1 |
| 21:12.03 | bronaugh | these days "server grade" just seems to mean "less tested" |
| 21:12.12 | caraconan | If anybody interested: trick to start mysql in a NFS partition. 1) start as usual (leave datadir with default value) 2) sudo su 3) cp -a /var/lib/mysql/* /nfs/partition/mysql/ 4) restart mysql |
| 21:12.13 | bronaugh | and "more parts to fail" |
| 21:12.23 | fenugreek | people still get excited over server hardware from Dell |
| 21:12.28 | jelly-home | bronaugh: which hw vendor? |
| 21:12.30 | dserban | Similar here 5520's and 5600 series (don't remember the models).... ok, some stats.. 10 server motherboards, 4 have been rma'd more than once, 2 worked from the get-go... rmm failures..., bmc failures... backplane failures, incorrect firmware sensor reporting (attributed to a faulty bmc).. uhh, I don't remember.. but I do have an extensive file on the "intel" rack.. |
| 21:12.33 | fenugreek | from _Dell_ FFS |
| 21:12.34 | bronaugh | jelly-home: Stupormicro |
| 21:12.42 | jelly-home | bronaugh: hah, no wonder |
| 21:12.45 | cryptopsy | jelly-home: which file does it parse it from? |
| 21:13.00 | bronaugh | jelly-home: I'm not sure where most of the weird shit I experience comes from. |
| 21:13.06 | cryptopsy | or how can i pipe only that info? |
| 21:13.06 | dserban | bronaugh: y'know I've had the same experience... desktop level hardware had less issues for me as well. |
| 21:13.11 | bronaugh | jelly-home: I suspect Stupormicro is responsible for very little of it. |
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| 21:13.42 | jelly-home | cryptopsy: I have no idea, apart from guessing it's reading from somewhere in /proc |
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| 21:14.10 | jelly-home | bronaugh: we're mostly using HP now and are quite happy with them |
| 21:14.14 | cryptopsy | cpuinfo file in proc doesn't have thi information |
| 21:14.24 | jelly-home | cryptopsy: who said cpuinfo |
| 21:14.27 | dserban | jelly-home: that's intel stuff at heart as well... |
| 21:14.28 | bronaugh | jelly-home: HP making any 36-disk chassis these days? |
| 21:15.08 | jelly-home | bronaugh: dunno, there are external MSA with 24 or so and some of those are stackable |
| 21:15.31 | bronaugh | jelly-home: bah. |
| 21:15.33 | jelly-home | bronaugh: but storage is a very different thing from pc-class servers |
| 21:15.48 | jelly-home | dserban: and it works |
| 21:15.49 | dserban | bronaugh: how about the back blaze 4u unit? :) |
| 21:15.54 | bronaugh | dserban: nfi |
| 21:16.11 | bronaugh | dserban: oh yeah. talked to that guy. |
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| 21:16.28 | yang | my X-win are getting somehow wrong with 2.6.38 kernel , I mean its like some lines appearing randomly over my screen.... |
| 21:16.32 | bronaugh | dserban: neat idea. has some serious bottlenecks with the port multipliers. |
| 21:16.40 | yang | then they dissapear |
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| 21:17.02 | yang | is it a known bug ? |
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| 21:17.30 | dserban | bronaugh: true, that's what I was thinking as well, but for storage, I think it'd scale ok for a "few" users... more than that, and it's useless. |
| 21:17.50 | bronaugh | dserban: no, actually, if you do it right it'll scale -extremely- well. |
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| 21:18.02 | bronaugh | what you do, though, is keep data localized so that one user doesn't crap on the others. |
| 21:18.05 | juso | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.17 | bronaugh | basically you can pull phenomenal parallel perf out of a setup like that by clever use of sw to affect locality of data. |
| 21:18.53 | dserban | jelly-home: yeah, it's odd, seems that dell/hp all use intel boards etc... no one seems to complain, so then I bought all intel product, and they started failing and just kept failing... |
| 21:19.10 | dserban | bronaugh: ahh one backplane per md? |
| 21:19.19 | bronaugh | dserban: no; you don't use md |
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| 21:19.44 | Crell | catsup, Arrowmaster: OK, well, I've determined that the non-working account spits out about 10 times more debug info with set-x enabled than mine does. |
| 21:19.53 | Crell | Logging in from the same remote system. |
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| 21:20.41 | dserban | hmm, I don't understand what you mean by localized/locality of the data. Local to whom? |
| 21:20.47 | catsup | well they don't have the same .bash_profile do they |
| 21:21.03 | catsup | check diff |
| 21:22.04 | bronaugh | dserban: you keep data that gets accessed together, physically together. |
| 21:22.18 | bronaugh | ie: stuff that has serial reads happen to it and the like. |
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| 21:22.28 | bronaugh | you keep stuff that gets accessed in parallel to that (ie: diff set) totally separate. |
| 21:22.31 | bronaugh | ie: diff disk |
| 21:22.46 | bronaugh | you can implement rules like this with stuff like glusterfs. |
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| 21:24.11 | juso | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:24.50 | Crell | catsup: Hm. Diffing the two .bash_profile files shows no differences. (diff returns nothing.) |
| 21:25.05 | dserban | bronaugh: I see, that's cool. Haven't looked at that kind of solution yet. Thanks for the pointer. |
| 21:25.08 | Arrowmaster | how much of the ~/.bashrc is different? |
| 21:25.21 | dserban | I'm hitting IO limits on some machines, so I'm looking for different solutions to spread the load. |
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| 21:25.51 | Crell | Arrowmaster: Checking now. I know his has a lot more in it, but I'm not entirely sure what it's for. Neither is he. :-) (Apparently sometime in the lifetime of the server the new user template changed. I'm not sure what or why, though.) |
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| 21:25.58 | fenugreek | juso: don't cross post |
| 21:26.37 | catsup | a user's .bashrc shouldn't really source /etc/bashrc. instead bash will load /etc/bash.bashrc itself |
| 21:27.07 | cryptopsy | jelly: how do you get '1''s field to appear in top -b -n1 ? |
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| 21:27.21 | cryptopsy | -b is for piping, -n1 is for one iteration |
| 21:27.26 | Arrowmaster | catsup: this is why bash is completely fucked up, bashrc is only loaded for non login shells |
| 21:27.45 | Crell | sighs. |
| 21:27.46 | catsup | bashrc is loaded for non-login interactive shells |
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| 21:28.03 | h3xis | is there a known problem related to the mouse/keyboard not working in the latest release of wheezy? my mouse and keyboard do not work on 2 laptops, or virtual machine instances after installing |
| 21:28.04 | catsup | but profile can load bashrc |
| 21:28.24 | Crell | Now this is truly fascinating... |
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| 21:28.35 | Arrowmaster | catsup: non-login non-interactive too, ive seen people use ~/.bashrc to change PATH to make git work |
| 21:28.46 | catsup | yeah well that's a special case in ssh |
| 21:29.01 | catsup | ssh tricks bash into thinking it's run interactively when it isn't |
| 21:29.12 | Crell | catsup, Arrowmaster: I just tried logging in as the non-working user. (I'm root so I just changed his password.) And those aliases in the global file worked for me. |
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| 21:31.06 | bronaugh | dserban: do tell me what you think of glusterfs if you decide to play with it. |
| 21:31.07 | Arrowmaster | loading /etc/bashrc from ~/.bashrc is kinda insane though, but i guess /etc/bashrc isnt a real bash conffile? |
| 21:31.14 | bronaugh | dserban: I haven't yet, though I've been meaning to... too much else going on. |
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| 21:31.44 | Crell | Why would it suddenly be working now? |
| 21:32.13 | proq | is the debian-6.0.1a-i386-CD-1.iso image the best stable image to install on an intel atom netbook? |
| 21:32.38 | Arrowmaster | hmm man page says that /etc/bash.bashrc and ~/.bashrc is loaded automatically for non-login interactive shells, so why is ~/.bashrc sourcing /etc/bash.bashrc? |
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| 21:32.48 | Crell | I have no idea. |
| 21:33.32 | Arrowmaster | though /etc/profile would need to source /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 21:33.43 | fenugreek | proq: which atom? |
| 21:33.54 | proq | fenugreek: n455, 1.66 ghz |
| 21:34.21 | Arrowmaster | seriously everybody should just switch to zsh, its conffiles are sane while bash is pure insanity |
| 21:34.32 | fenugreek | proq: you could use amd64 for that if you wanted |
| 21:35.02 | fenugreek | Arrowmaster: yeah, because zsh's config files make one think "this is what sanity looks like" =P |
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| 21:35.24 | proq | fenugreek: hmm... would that give any performance boost to opengl? |
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| 21:35.53 | Arrowmaster | they do, its defined exactly when each one loads and in what order, and there is no crazy shit like sourcing ~/.bashrc from ~/.profile |
| 21:36.17 | catsup | it's also exactly defined when bash will load its config files |
| 21:36.25 | fenugreek | proq: probably none you would notice, but possibly a trivial one you could scientifically measure |
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| 21:37.02 | catsup | it's pretty simple, bash loads either bashrc or profile or neither |
| 21:37.03 | fenugreek | proq: how much ram? |
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| 21:37.46 | proq | 1GB |
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| 21:38.42 | jvogel | Hi I'm booting my debian system and just getting "Starting up . . ." -- any ideas? |
| 21:38.45 | fenugreek | proq: http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
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| 21:39.38 | bronaugh | jvogel: turn off quiet boot. |
| 21:39.57 | bronaugh | jvogel: ie: edit the startup line in grub, remove "quiet" from the list of options. |
| 21:40.09 | jelly-home | fenugreek: are you saying this is not sane, logical and simple? compctl -u -x 's[+] c[-1,-f],s[-f+]' -g '~/Mail/*(:t)' - 's[-f],c[-1,-f]' -f -- mail |
| 21:40.27 | jvogel | I think I remember doing something stupid before I reboot |
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| 21:40.47 | fenugreek | jelly-home: not at all =P |
| 21:40.50 | jvogel | It may have involved overwriting /dev/stderr |
| 21:40.52 | Crell | Hang on, phone call on another matter. :-) |
| 21:41.44 | bronaugh | jvogel: yes. well, turn off quiet boot. |
| 21:41.46 | bronaugh | stop guessing. |
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| 21:41.56 | bronaugh | start colling data on what's going on now. |
| 21:41.59 | bronaugh | collecting |
| 21:42.02 | jvogel | Yes but how do I fix that |
| 21:42.14 | Arrowmaster | jelly-home: compctl was replaced |
| 21:42.20 | bronaugh | if you've just stomped on a device file or files, it should be easy. |
| 21:42.33 | bronaugh | worst case is, boot the install CD, mount your / partition, fix mayhem. |
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| 21:42.51 | jelly-home | Arrowmaster: it's still there and works. |
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| 21:45.51 | K-lined | re ppl |
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| 21:52.26 | Babalau | hey ppl |
| 21:52.33 | Babalau | dpkg: non-free |
| 21:52.33 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 21:53.16 | jvogel | bronaugh: yea I figured out to be that |
| 21:53.29 | Babalau | re babilen |
| 21:53.30 | Babalau | : |
| 21:53.33 | Babalau | :) |
| 21:53.37 | jvogel | My primrary FS is encrypted, how can I mount it and fix link with ubuntu live cd? |
| 21:54.35 | babilen | Babalau: Yes? -- Please /msg the bot |
| 21:54.37 | Babalau | babilen: what's the command to see my graphics card ? |
| 21:54.56 | Babalau | you gaved me earlyer |
| 21:54.57 | Babalau | :D |
| 21:54.58 | babilen | lspci -nn | grep -i vga |
| 21:55.07 | babilen | !radeon |
| 21:55.07 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
| 21:55.12 | Babalau | ty |
| 21:55.20 | cryptopsy | !nvidia |
| 21:55.20 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 21:55.26 | jvogel | How can I mount my encrypted root partiton :\ |
| 21:55.28 | cryptopsy | !ratpoison |
| 21:55.29 | dpkg | Ratpoison is a tiling <window manager> largely modelled after GNU <Screen>. http://ratpoison.antidesktop.net/wiki/FAQ http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/ #ratpoison on irc.freenode.net. See also <stumpwm>. |
| 21:55.32 | cryptopsy | !weex |
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| 21:55.57 | cryptopsy | !weex |
| 21:55.58 | babilen | cryptopsy: If I remember correctly Babalau has an ATI graphic card. Why do you think nvidia is relevant too? |
| 21:56.06 | cryptopsy | babilen: because its for me |
| 21:56.14 | themill | dpkg: tell cryptopsy about msg the bot |
| 21:56.19 | babilen | cryptopsy: Then /msg dpkg FACTOID -- and don't spam the channel |
| 21:56.28 | cryptopsy | it didn't reply to weex query |
| 21:56.29 | cryptopsy | !ftp |
| 21:56.30 | dpkg | File Transfer Protocol (FTP) is a method of moving files between systems using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of FTP: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-Unix users). Unencrypted FTP using Unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as running windows on your firewall machine. Ask me about <ftp must die>, <scp>, <sftp>. See also <ftpd>. |
| 21:56.32 | bst | then use /msg dpkg |
| 21:56.35 | Babalau | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Redwood PRO [Radeon HD 5500 Series] [1002:68d9] |
| 21:57.08 | Babalau | you remember corecly babilen |
| 21:57.09 | Babalau | :D |
| 21:57.18 | Babalau | you saved my a$$ today |
| 21:57.34 | babilen | heh ... |
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| 21:58.04 | cryptopsy | !sync |
| 21:58.05 | dpkg | for monitor sync ranges and refresh rates, see http://monitorworld.com/monitors_home.html, or man 1 sync, man mount (search for sync options). |
| 21:58.15 | cryptopsy | no no i wanted to sync directories |
| 21:58.16 | themill | cryptopsy: please stop that |
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| 21:58.28 | cryptopsy | what are the various ways to sync directories? |
| 21:58.30 | cryptopsy | themill: do you know? |
| 21:58.52 | babilen | cryptopsy: rsync / unison -- And stop spamming the channel |
| 21:59.11 | cryptopsy | asking questions is spamming now? |
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| 21:59.36 | fenugreek | think he'd like you to stop talking to dpkg in here |
| 21:59.36 | babilen | No, but needlessly abusing the bot is. |
| 21:59.40 | fenugreek | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.44 | rww | I feel slightly bad for indirectly inflicting cryptopsy on you all by banning from #ubuntu :\ |
| 21:59.46 | cryptopsy | what about asking questions? |
| 21:59.57 | cryptopsy | i only used the bot once since i rejoined |
| 22:00.00 | fenugreek | cryptopsy: you just asked one! omg |
| 22:00.01 | cryptopsy | and i only got kicked once |
| 22:00.12 | fenugreek | cryptopsy: but you _tried_ to use it more than once =) |
| 22:00.24 | cryptopsy | yes thats why i got kicked |
| 22:00.26 | babilen | rww: Well, won't be long. |
| 22:00.31 | fenugreek | cryptopsy: and here we are |
| 22:00.47 | cryptopsy | fenugreek: how are you relevant after 50 people already started telling me to pm the obt |
| 22:00.50 | cryptopsy | bot |
| 22:00.57 | cryptopsy | and i'm the spammer right |
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| 22:01.16 | themill | cryptopsy: please take a break from #debian and be more signal and less noise in the future |
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| 22:05.39 | Babalau | aptitude update |
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| 22:08.44 | Babalau | anyone using irssi ? |
| 22:08.59 | Babalau | how do i hide /part /leave /quit from the channel ? |
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| 22:09.25 | ansgar | Babalau: /help ignore |
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| 22:10.48 | Babalau | ty ansgar |
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| 22:12.15 | Babalau | !radeon |
| 22:12.15 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
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| 22:13.10 | IceWewe | is it possible to build a Dom0 kernel without using the xen package? |
| 22:13.26 | IceWewe | reading here: http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenDom0Kernels it states that pvops kernels should be able to function as Dom0 kernels as well |
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| 22:19.37 | Babalau | how do i add myself to the list of the sudoers ? |
| 22:19.41 | Babalau | what's the group ? |
| 22:20.00 | DeathNostril | it is in /etc/sudoers |
| 22:20.01 | DeathNostril | it's a file |
| 22:20.07 | Babalau | aha |
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| 22:20.33 | DeathNostril | I don't use sudo so I can't tell you the syntax |
| 22:20.38 | DeathNostril | but you should be able to find that easy enough |
| 22:20.44 | babilen | Babalau: Hold your horses :) |
| 22:20.46 | fenugreek | should have examples in it |
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| 22:20.56 | Babalau | =)) |
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| 22:21.26 | babilen | Babalau: First: Use "visudo" to edit /etc/sudoers and Second: The easiest way to achieve what you are probably trying to achieve is to add yourself to the "sudo" group |
| 22:21.29 | themill | Babalau: "adduser yourusername sudoers" |
| 22:21.41 | babilen | *sudoers |
| 22:21.44 | babilen | argh .. |
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| 22:22.04 | Babalau | :) |
| 22:22.11 | Babalau | i used visudo |
| 22:22.11 | themill | babilen: err.. no, you were right the first time |
| 22:22.13 | babilen | no, it is group sudo |
| 22:22.33 | babilen | themill: high five for confusing each other :) |
| 22:22.38 | Babalau | yea |
| 22:22.40 | Babalau | found it |
| 22:22.45 | Babalau | i added myself |
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| 22:25.03 | bronaugh | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.08 | bronaugh | ... in 5 hours. |
| 22:25.31 | Babalau | :)) |
| 22:26.30 | bronaugh | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.37 | bronaugh | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.42 | Babalau | sudo working |
| 22:26.45 | Babalau | much better |
| 22:26.46 | Babalau | now |
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| 22:27.05 | Babalau | cross the fingers i might break the computer :)) |
| 22:27.06 | Babalau | brb |
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| 22:30.55 | Babalau | how do i exit the desktop environment |
| 22:30.55 | Babalau | killall gdm3 ? |
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| 22:31.21 | babilen | Babalau: Restart X or just exit the desktop environment? |
| 22:31.36 | babilen | well, guess you found the kill switch :) |
| 22:31.45 | bst | :) |
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| 22:37.58 | antivigilante | at bootup there's complaints about /run/udev being missing |
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| 22:38.52 | antivigilante | i can't use the keyboard or mouse from kdm either |
| 22:38.57 | babilen | antivigilante: Yes, welcome to the udev/initscripts/base-files transition |
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| 22:39.49 | antivigilante | babilen fixes timeframe? |
| 22:39.56 | babilen | antivigilante: Install a newer version of udev (167-3) and Marco D'Itri promises that everyhting will be fine. If that doesn't do the trick /msg dpkg udev 620995 |
| 22:40.28 | babilen | antivigilante: Which version of Debian do you use? Shouldn't be a problem in sid IIRC |
| 22:40.37 | babilen | ,versions udev |
| 22:40.40 | judd | Package udev on i386 -- lenny-security: 0.125-7+lenny1; lenny: 0.125-7+lenny3; squeeze: 164-3; wheezy: 167-3; sid: 168-1 |
| 22:40.47 | babilen | hmm, wheezy too |
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| 22:42.15 | antivigilante | ok thx |
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| 22:42.26 | Bartzy | I currently have a PHP app that uses system sometimes to call executables that create images on-the-fly... I now need to separate the app to scale: one or more machines for PHP (FastCGI) only, and one ore more machines for running the executables.. what's the best way to do it ? Gearman ? some other framework ? |
| 22:42.40 | Bartzy | sorry wrong channel. |
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| 22:49.14 | Babalau | re |
| 22:49.16 | Babalau | :D |
| 22:49.38 | Babalau | ok |
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| 22:49.47 | Babalau | i've installed the damn grphic card |
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| 22:50.03 | Babalau | doesen't work at it did on Ubuntu based distros but works |
| 22:50.08 | Babalau | 80% of it |
| 22:50.09 | Babalau | :D |
| 22:50.38 | Babalau | now |
| 22:50.47 | Babalau | how do i install the sound card |
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| 22:50.49 | Babalau | any ideeas? |
| 22:50.57 | Babalau | babilen: ? :)) |
| 22:51.30 | Babalau | sry |
| 22:51.32 | Babalau | tomorow |
| 22:51.33 | Babalau | bye |
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| 23:02.28 | systemtyrant | Does anybody know how to get Eric5 to work on debian? |
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| 23:02.47 | foo | Err, one of the devs overwrite some files and we weren't tracking changes. Is there any way to see the modification times of a file, or see what files were uploaded via sftp? Trying to assess the damage |
| 23:03.25 | bronaugh | hmm |
| 23:03.35 | bronaugh | so, anyone here have experience screwing around with jumbo frames? |
| 23:04.40 | moele | systemtyrant, care to provide more detail? that's fairly vague |
| 23:05.18 | systemtyrant | I am trying to install eric5 on debian 6 and not finding much on google on how to do it. |
| 23:05.22 | kgoetz | foo: ls -lh , the time shown is probably what you need |
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| 23:06.07 | systemtyrant | It's not part of the repository and i'm not skilled yet in installing something outside of the repositories. |
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| 23:06.20 | foo | kgoetz: there is no history stored of file mods, right? |
| 23:06.24 | foo | kgoetz: eg. just last mod date |
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| 23:07.00 | babilen | systemtyrant: Compile it yourself and install it to /usr/local -- That is much easier and safer if you use stow -- /msg dpkg stow ; /msg dpkg stow usage |
| 23:07.03 | kgoetz | foo: not stored by the filesystem, no. |
| 23:07.28 | themill | systemtyrant: does eric5 require a version of python that's not in squeeze? |
| 23:07.31 | foo | kgoetz: and there is no default log through sftp that is kept, correct? |
| 23:07.38 | babilen | systemtyrant: Eric5 has not yet been packaged in Debian. |
| 23:07.43 | foo | kgoetz: eg. want to see what files someone uploaded on a certain account |
| 23:08.15 | kgoetz | foo: you could run find with appropriate options (to search within a timeframe for a certain user id) |
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| 23:17.17 | dijenerate | hi all does anyone know if openssi is currently implemented under squeeze and if so where should I look for documentation |
| 23:17.20 | dijenerate | ? |
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| 23:18.00 | moele | Any alternatives to Mesa OpenGL drivers? |
| 23:18.53 | jil | hello |
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| 23:19.55 | SuperAlekZ | hey :) |
| 23:19.57 | babilen | moele: Alternative for what? drivers? programming api? |
| 23:20.01 | SuperAlekZ | is there a channel on freenode for overclocking? |
| 23:20.16 | foo | kgoetz: there is only 5 files or so, I might have recently overwrote them without knowing. I didn't think there was a log |
| 23:20.17 | jil | Why do I get a small size partion when I print the partition boot sector compared to when I print an overall mbr with parted ? |
| 23:20.21 | babilen | SuperAlekZ: ##hardware might know more |
| 23:20.21 | foo | kgoetz: thanks, appreciate it |
| 23:20.29 | SuperAlekZ | babilen: thanks :) |
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| 23:21.22 | kgoetz | foo: gl |
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| 23:21.36 | foo | kgoetz: going to do diff's against a backup |
| 23:22.36 | kgoetz | foo: fun. any reason this stuff goes live without being in revision control? |
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| 23:23.48 | jil | I want to restore and I'm trying to be precise as to were my partitions starts and ends... |
| 23:24.12 | foo | kgoetz: we have git set up, just haven't been using it on this new project (the dev team doesn't know how to use it). When it came back in-house, I was going to continue using it. Big fail. I don't think a ton of stuff was lost, just a couple CSS edits... so not too bad. But still, lesson learned. |
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| 23:24.30 | MeTa_ | hi |
| 23:24.47 | MeTa_ | someone knows about flex???? |
| 23:24.58 | kgoetz | foo: sounds like your devs got lucky that time |
| 23:25.08 | kgoetz | dpkg: tell MeTa_ about ask |
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| 23:26.49 | MeTa_ | kgoetz about adobe flex |
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| 23:27.07 | MeTa_ | i wanna make a chat flash irc on flex |
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| 23:27.33 | kgoetz | how is that relevant to #debian? |
| 23:27.36 | babilen | MeTa_: Try #flex or how exactly is this related to Debian? |
| 23:27.51 | foo | kgoetz: seriously. only looks like one file that was mostly changed |
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| 23:28.54 | MeTa_ | only i was looking for someone that knows about that :D |
| 23:29.01 | kgoetz | foo: :) |
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| 23:30.14 | Deprave | anyone with access to a linux shell right now wanna do me a huge favor and tell me what a command returns for them |
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| 23:32.16 | jil | ok I found my error... mixing up the size of the partition and the end sector for the first partition for which the tow numbers are close |
| 23:32.55 | ompaul | Deprave: and that command is? |
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| 23:33.28 | ompaul | expects some bad shell escapes that ain't getting run in the next hundred years by me |
| 23:33.52 | kgoetz | ompaul: yeah. i was wondering if it would be pasted uninvited |
| 23:34.22 | ompaul | karl such is life |
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| 23:34.49 | kgoetz | ompaul: and how is yours? |
| 23:35.19 | ompaul | kgoetz: I found some strange stuff one of my netbooks doesn't want to even see SD cards plugged in the side |
| 23:35.37 | ompaul | got a laptop to deal with it |
| 23:35.38 | kgoetz | ompaul: nothing in dmesg at all? |
| 23:35.43 | kgoetz | weird |
| 23:35.44 | ompaul | not a jot |
| 23:35.48 | ompaul | hardware fail? |
| 23:35.57 | ompaul | most likley |
| 23:36.04 | ompaul | likely even |
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| 23:36.23 | kgoetz | yeah. or disabled at a lower level somehow |
| 23:36.26 | cryptopsy | anyone know if yuuki Nimomiya still uses debian? |
| 23:36.28 | cryptopsy | !weex |
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| 23:36.48 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 23:36.50 | ompaul | kgoetz: I'll check it on bios |
| 23:37.00 | kgoetz | ompaul: roger |
| 23:37.24 | babilen | cryptopsy: Stop /msg me |
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| 23:39.26 | ompaul | kgoetz: no bios to enable or turn off (not lemote) game over for that port (not an issue have more boxes) |
| 23:39.51 | kgoetz | ompaul: annoying |
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| 23:39.56 | kgoetz | ompaul: ah well. it happens |
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| 23:40.51 | ompaul | age over whats it ;-) |
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| 23:47.36 | elkclone | gcc c |
| 23:48.05 | elkclone | should be a c code block you could model maybe. |
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