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| 00:00.49 | kgoetz | Deprave: please turn that off |
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| 00:03.20 | km | anyone familar with phpldapadmin? |
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| 00:07.32 | Eulenspiegel69 | what's a decent password manager for Debian? |
| 00:07.49 | arghh2d2 | !help |
| 00:07.51 | cobra-the-joker | hey there every one ... i am having here some prolem ... i installed gnome on top of debian 6.0.1 ... but the shutdown/restart button sometimes just doesnt work ... and sometimes it does ... i have to reboot/shutdown from terminal ... any solution ? |
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| 00:08.21 | Eulenspiegel69 | <cobra-the-joker>: use openbox |
| 00:08.40 | cobra-the-joker | :S |
| 00:08.52 | Eulenspiegel69 | <cobra-the-joker>: Or, if you need a fully fledged DE, LXDE |
| 00:09.01 | cobra-the-joker | lol |
| 00:09.19 | cobra-the-joker | LXDE ... fully fledged :D |
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| 00:09.27 | Eulenspiegel69 | okay :) |
| 00:09.29 | Eulenspiegel69 | then KDE |
| 00:09.47 | cobra-the-joker | i am very happy with gnome actually ... dont want to replace it .. just that problem |
| 00:10.38 | Eulenspiegel69 | I hated GNOME from the beginning... so never checked its inner workings... Have you checked the logs? |
| 00:10.53 | cobra-the-joker | where ? |
| 00:11.04 | Eulenspiegel69 | /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog |
| 00:11.15 | cobra-the-joker | ok will check that |
| 00:11.16 | arghh2d2 | exactly, that's the million dollar question with gnome |
| 00:11.22 | arghh2d2 | where? |
| 00:11.34 | arghh2d2 | how'd they do that? |
| 00:11.56 | cobra-the-joker | its not about gnome its about the place of the logs :S |
| 00:11.57 | blast_hardcheese | I think I'm having IRQ conflicts, but my BIOS doesn't give me an option to configure IRQs |
| 00:12.23 | blast_hardcheese | Is there a way to diagnose/fix this from the OS side? |
| 00:12.45 | arghh2d2 | Isn't there a !dpkg command to search for pkg's on testing and unstable repos? |
| 00:12.50 | jhutchins_lt | Checking the inner workings of Gnome does tend to lead to people runnng something else... |
| 00:13.01 | Eulenspiegel69 | <cobra-the-joker>: open 2 terminal, run the commands "tail -f /var/log/syslog" and "tail -f /var/log/messages" in parallel. Check if something is shown when the buttons do not work. |
| 00:13.10 | Eulenspiegel69 | *open 2 terminals |
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| 00:13.20 | jhutchins_lt | arghh2d2: /msg judd versions <package> |
| 00:13.22 | cobra-the-joker | Eulenspiegel69: ok |
| 00:13.39 | arghh2d2 | jhutchins_lt: judd! yes, theannks |
| 00:14.41 | ozzloy | http://www.artima.com/shop/programming_in_scala_2ed anyone know if the ebook pdf from here is readable in linux? so far my google searches have just revealed cracks for other ebook formats |
| 00:15.30 | ozzloy | and i don't wanna buy this if i can't read it, and i don't see a way to contact them to find out |
| 00:16.12 | jhutchins_lt | ozzloy: If it's a PDF, yes. If it's an Adobe ebook no. |
| 00:17.05 | r_wWorld | it probably has drm |
| 00:17.11 | jhutchins_lt | ozzloy: Adobe's ebooks are encrypted PDFs, and the download interface that gives you the encryption key only works in windows. |
| 00:17.13 | r_wWorld | all ebooks from legit sellers do |
| 00:17.17 | ozzloy | the page lists "PDF eBook" |
| 00:17.19 | ompaul | ozzloy: http://www.artima.com/aboutartima.html there you go |
| 00:17.52 | r_wWorld | yeah, put idiot publishers believe Adobe is the only thing people use for PDF |
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| 00:19.13 | ozzloy | ompaul, oh awesome! thanks |
| 00:19.16 | Eulenspiegel69 | <cobra-the-joker>: If something is added to the logfiles when pressing the buttons do not work, paste the output to http://www.rifers.org/paste/ and ask people who are familiar with GNOME to help you providing the resulting link |
| 00:19.35 | ompaul | ozzloy: not a problem |
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| 00:20.20 | cobra-the-joker | ok |
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| 00:24.44 | torrancew | aha |
| 00:24.54 | torrancew | doh. Bad lag. Sorry, guys. |
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| 00:26.47 | Vasistha | Is there a way to get a list of fonts available to XLoadFont ? http://tronche.com/gui/x/xlib/graphics/font-metrics/XLoadFont.html -- I have tried many variations but XLoadFont consistently fails. |
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| 00:32.47 | jelly-home | Vasistha: xlsfonts ? |
| 00:33.20 | Vasistha | jelly-home: I'm ... not sure. I'm asking in #xorg now, but my experiences in that channel have usually been dismal |
| 00:33.37 | Vasistha | that is to say, I don't think I have ever received any answer to any question I've asked there |
| 00:33.58 | torrancew | Vasistha: ouch, that's a bad track record |
| 00:34.02 | jelly-home | is there a reason why you're using xlib? |
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| 00:34.43 | jelly-home | instead of a higher level UI library like GTK+ or Qt |
| 00:34.56 | Vasistha | jelly-home: trying to help a friend with homework -- it's a C++ program that uses a graphics lib that uses xlib |
| 00:35.08 | adamDavis | Hey-I am wondering in what way a user can change the audio device for output in Debian? |
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| 00:35.59 | babilen | Vasistha: Hah, I was just about to recommend libxcb :) |
| 00:36.15 | Vasistha | babilen: if only it was so easy. |
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| 00:37.50 | mart | hi there, how can i know which cd/dvd isos i need to download the minimum installing set? |
| 00:38.08 | Vasistha | heh, problem solved -- the library was missing a seventh -* at the end |
| 00:38.11 | babilen | adamDavis: Lots of ways. You can set the default device by playing with the module options or alsa configuration. Several clients support selecting the device as well, as do some of the desktop environments. |
| 00:38.37 | babilen | mart: What is a minimal installing set in your understanding? |
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| 00:39.00 | adamDavis | babilen: thank you - I am using gnome I believe - you wouldnt by chance know if there was some way to accomplish this through a GUI in gnome would you? :) |
| 00:39.27 | babilen | mart: You are probably thinking about the netinstall image -- /msg dpkg netinstall -- /msg dpkg firmware image -- Which you can use to install a minimal Debian system or a couple of additional tasks if you have a working (wired) network connection |
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| 00:39.50 | mart | i dont have a wired networking connection |
| 00:40.25 | mart | system properly? |
| 00:40.28 | babilen | adamDavis: gnome-control-center â sound -- But I don't know what you are actually trying to achieve :) |
| 00:40.34 | adamDavis | ahh |
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| 00:40.41 | adamDavis | ok i have speakers and USB headset on machine :) |
| 00:40.41 | mart | stuff working? |
| 00:40.49 | adamDavis | trying to get sound to come to headset instead of speakers |
| 00:40.50 | mart | the basic stuff* |
| 00:41.16 | babilen | mart: What is the basic stuff? Do you want a graphical environment? do you want a desktop environment? |
| 00:41.35 | babilen | adamDavis: One second please |
| 00:41.46 | mart | i am sorry i just found the solution |
| 00:41.50 | mart | thanks for your time |
| 00:42.05 | babilen | well, ok ... |
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| 00:43.33 | babilen | adamDavis: Ok, USB devices are typically *not* the default device ever. This is due to them being configured with the -2 index in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf -- That doesn't mean that you can't select them as output device though, so you might want to try the gnome settings |
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| 00:44.44 | babilen | adamDavis: If that doesn't work you can either: i. change that file and change the -2 index to 0 or create a /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc as detailed in "/msg dpkg default alsa" |
| 00:45.02 | bronaugh | uses a USB dev as default |
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| 00:46.14 | adamDavis | Hmmm ok :) thank you, babilen |
| 00:46.27 | babilen | adamDavis: I hope your head didn't explode :) |
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| 00:46.59 | adamDavis | haha |
| 00:47.15 | adamDavis | no, but this is just because I only have read your advice and not tried to accomplish it :) |
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| 00:47.23 | babilen | :-D |
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| 00:48.27 | babilen | I would start with the gnome settings and look into application specific settings. If that doesn't achieve what you want, try one of the other methods. (note that you'll have to reload the module if you go that route) -- See also http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA#Troubleshooting |
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| 00:49.46 | babilen | adamDavis: And if you want per-application/per-device settings you might even want to look into pulseaudio with the following /etc/asound.conf â http://paste.debian.net/115431/ |
| 00:50.19 | adamDavis | ahhh |
| 00:50.30 | adamDavis | babilen: per application settings sounds slick ;) |
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| 00:51.04 | babilen | actually "volume control" rather than "settings" but you get the idea |
| 00:51.40 | babilen | adamDavis: "alsamixer" + F6 is also worth a look |
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| 01:37.35 | DJ-VISAGE | I have question, I installed my machine with Debian yesterday and it automatically assigned ip 127.0.1.1 and now I connected this machine to my laptop, but the laptop doesn't seem to have connection on the LAN card. Any suggestions? |
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| 01:49.09 | DJ-VISAGE | I installed my machine with Debian yesterday and it automatically assigned ip 127.0.1.1 and now I connected this machine to my laptop, but the laptop doesn't seem to have connection on the LAN card. How can I connect to the debian server now? Do I have to change the IP first |
| 01:49.12 | DJ-VISAGE | ? |
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| 01:59.01 | armani_ | if i'm using grub and my file format for debian is ext4, should the boot up read insmod ext2? or is that a mistake? |
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| 02:00.18 | ManateeLazyCat | Does anyone know how to customize keyshortcut in Gnome3? Any tool? I want remove "windows key" since Alt+F1 same as "windows key" |
| 02:00.58 | armani_ | ManateeLazyCat, go to system, preferences, keyboard and you can edit the settings |
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| 02:01.29 | hayleyw | is ip_conntrack_ftp.o built into the default kernel for 6.0.1? i dont see it in /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter ? |
| 02:02.12 | armani_ | sorry keyboard shortcuts* |
| 02:02.52 | ManateeLazyCat | armani_: I mean *remove* "windows key" from global key binding. |
| 02:03.41 | ManateeLazyCat | armani_: I want Gnome3 don't eat "windows key", i have setting many "windows key" binding in Emacs. |
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| 02:04.20 | totesmuhgoats | hey guys |
| 02:04.56 | totesmuhgoats | does a default install of debian include some sort of firewalling by default? |
| 02:05.41 | Azrael_- | no |
| 02:05.51 | abrotman | totesmuhgoats: you can install the iptables package and setup rules |
| 02:06.30 | totesmuhgoats | well i just used the defaults for the install and then did a dist-upgrade to wheezy, but iptables seems to already be installed |
| 02:06.41 | totesmuhgoats | though it doesn't appear to be running according to ps aux |
| 02:06.44 | Azrael_- | iptables is installed by default but it doesn't block anything from default |
| 02:06.48 | extraclassic | totesmuhgoats: you'll have to configure the rules because they're empty |
| 02:06.55 | totesmuhgoats | ah, i see |
| 02:07.02 | DJ-VISAGE | Hi, I installed my machine with Debian yesterday and I am not sure what IP is assigned by default, now I connected this machine to my laptop, but the laptop doesn't seem to have connected on this LAN card. How can I connect to the debian server now? Do I have to change the IP first? |
| 02:07.10 | Azrael_- | iptables is a tool to configure some rules in the kernel. you'll never see a process |
| 02:07.12 | extraclassic | totesmuhgoats: hold on and i'll find a good link for setting up those |
| 02:07.29 | totesmuhgoats | well im just curious because i installed openssh-server and ran it but can't seem to connect |
| 02:07.46 | extraclassic | totesmuhgoats: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Simple_Stateful_Firewall |
| 02:07.47 | totesmuhgoats | when i run sshd in debug mode it doesn't look like it even sees the client trying to connect |
| 02:07.56 | totesmuhgoats | and the client on anotehr pc doesn't seem to be able to resolve the server |
| 02:07.57 | Azrael_- | totesmuhgoats: netstat -nlp ? |
| 02:08.00 | totesmuhgoats | so i assumed firewalling |
| 02:08.16 | Azrael_- | "ip addr show" |
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| 02:08.26 | Azrael_- | does ping to the machine work? |
| 02:08.45 | totesmuhgoats | lets see, haha i forgot to try that |
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| 02:09.46 | totesmuhgoats | sorry about this, the client pc i was using doesn't seem to have an ip anymore |
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| 02:09.58 | totesmuhgoats | so ill have to postpone figuring this out till that issue is resolved |
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| 02:10.53 | totesmuhgoats | thanks for the info Azrael_- extraclassic |
| 02:11.33 | Azrael_- | :) |
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| 02:27.30 | woodn | and ive gotten totally bogged down in the maze of libraries and just can't seem to find what i need to deal with this... |
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| 02:39.48 | cinix_ | I just bought a new hard drive for my laptop and want to clone my old drive on to it. I'm using LVM, should it be possible to just use dd or will LVM get confused because the physical devices aren't the same as it expects. I was going to use pvmove but I thought with dd I'd have some redundancy if anything went wrong |
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| 02:42.40 | Pikel | I switched my interface to a static IP and now when the machine boots, the interface doesn't come backup automatically, I have to do a sudo ifup eth0 before I can do anything (an for a headless machine, this is rather hard) |
| 02:42.46 | Pikel | so what did I miss? |
| 02:43.13 | cvrser | Pikel, did you set auto ethX? |
| 02:43.56 | Pikel | I didn't know I had to, thanks for that tip |
| 02:44.17 | cvrser | np |
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| 02:52.05 | cvrser | Is anyone using notify-osd? I receive notifications through it with clementine but dont get notifications through pidgin or anything else |
| 02:52.21 | JordiGH | I need to make calls to a 1800 number in the US, hopefully with a soft phone. Do I have an option other than Skype? |
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| 02:54.04 | cvrser | JordiGH, google talk works fine, or Ekiga? |
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| 02:54.44 | JordiGH | Google talk is more non-free crap, if I'm ditching boogers, I'd rather not get drool in return. Does Ekiga work for this? Okay, I'll try Ekiga. |
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| 02:56.47 | nevyn | JordiGH: it needs a sip account somewhere. |
| 02:57.01 | JordiGH | That's what I thought. Are there gratis sip providers? |
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| 02:57.32 | nevyn | dunno maybe. |
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| 03:00.58 | comradekingu | JordiGH: Ekiga has a service last time i checked |
| 03:01.17 | comradekingu | /s/has/had/ |
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| 03:05.50 | Mr_Brown | hi, is some one live, I would kindly help |
| 03:06.43 | macrobat | Mr_Brown: this is IRC, so just blurt out your question |
| 03:08.29 | Mr_Brown | I try to mount a gfs by got this error gfs_controld[3604]: cpg_mcast_joined error 12 handle 1e7ff52100000001 start |
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| 03:15.22 | mordocai | Hey guys, so I just set up a exim4 MTA on debian stable(using the dpkg-reconfigure script to configure it), and was wondering what you guys would recommend to use as a pop/imap server. I can see that there are many options, but I'm looking for something that is easy to setup and reliable. Any suggestions? |
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| 03:15.47 | ectospasm | mordocai: I use gmail |
| 03:15.52 | ectospasm | It's pretty reliable |
| 03:16.00 | ectospasm | and it can use TLS/SSL/whatever |
| 03:16.05 | mordocai | ectospasm: Lol. Yeah, i'm getting away from gmail :P |
| 03:16.16 | ectospasm | mordocai: you should have said that first, then (-; |
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| 03:20.48 | antivigilante | the services transition has a problem |
| 03:20.58 | antivigilante | no ttys are set up |
| 03:21.09 | antivigilante | can't use mouse in X |
| 03:21.18 | antivigilante | mouse works in gpm |
| 03:21.26 | antivigilante | and cannot revert |
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| 03:21.33 | antivigilante | now what? |
| 03:21.55 | antivigilante | also can't use keyboard in X |
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| 03:57.03 | Mr_Brown | tht is on squeeze |
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| 04:05.32 | kitemeek | I have just installed Debian Squeeze. When I enter the shift-character (above key 3 on keyboard), it instead shows £ character. I have checked that I have choosen US keyboard layout. Any ideas? |
| 04:06.00 | celthunder | locales? |
| 04:06.03 | kitemeek | By the I installed debian KDE if that matters. |
| 04:06.55 | kitemeek | ce; Yes I wen to Settings > Regional and Language and in the keyboard layout chose US layout |
| 04:07.10 | dudz_ | kde's pretty awesome |
| 04:07.55 | celthunder | pretty sure you can set locales seperate from the keyboard map |
| 04:08.25 | celthunder | though i've never tried it they're 2 different options |
| 04:08.51 | kitemeek | celthunder: Thanks got it, Even though I had selected US layout, the UK one was present above it in the list, had to remove. |
| 04:09.11 | celthunder | kitemeek: :) |
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| 04:15.39 | kaiyin | hi, how can i tar every file in /etc, but none of its directories? |
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| 04:22.27 | jmarsden | kaiyin: tar zcf mytarfile.tar.gz $(find /etc -maxdepth 1 -type f) # I think! |
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| 04:24.31 | mordocai | Okay, I know this is out there but i'm having trouble finding it (probably using wrong google terms). How do I make it where smtp requires a user/password and will relay from only local addresses (as in from is <user>@LOCAL_FQDN) and to anywhere? |
| 04:24.39 | mordocai | Sorry, with exim4 |
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| 04:25.25 | mordocai | Would prefer btw that I can connect to my server from anywhere to relay email, it just has to have the aforementioned authentication. |
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| 04:27.48 | JeffH | How do I pass certain configure options to a .deb package I am building? |
| 04:27.56 | JeffH | Been looking around online and can't find it anywhere |
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| 04:37.03 | celthunder | jeffyou don't use a .deb then |
| 04:37.13 | celthunder | you get the source if you want to change the configure lines |
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| 04:50.17 | x3464 | Can someone tell how long it usually takes to get a package into Debian? |
| 04:50.26 | x3464 | http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist?action=details;package=mangler |
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| 04:51.16 | x3464 | I and many others would like to see Mangler in Debian and it's just not happening. |
| 04:51.22 | x3464 | How do we make this happen? |
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| 04:53.43 | freddy__ | hi - is lenny still supported ? |
| 04:54.11 | Bushmills | it still is |
| 04:54.39 | freddy__ | Bushmills: thanks - is there a date for when support will stop for lenny ? |
| 04:54.56 | Bushmills | not long after christmas |
| 04:55.56 | freddy__ | ok - and what about squeeze .. is there also a support stop date for that ? |
| 04:56.13 | Bushmills | there will be, eventually, but date is not known yet |
| 04:56.26 | Bushmills | estimated another 2.5 to 3 years |
| 04:56.27 | freddy__ | Bushmills: super - thanks! |
| 04:58.11 | x3464 | Can someone tell how long it usually takes to get a package into Debian? |
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| 04:58.42 | nevyn | x3464: string comes in varying lengths depending on purpose and requirements |
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| 05:00.26 | x3464 | nevyn: I just don't want Mangler (Ventrilo client) to die on the vine is all. The author put a lot of work into the project and a lot of people use it. |
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| 05:08.31 | jmarsden | x3464: You make it happen by packaging the software following Debian Policy and then finding a mentor to get it into Debian unstable for you. Go for it! |
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| 05:11.34 | x3464 | jmarsden: Someone's already started that here: http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist?action=details;package=mangler |
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| 05:11.44 | x3464 | jmarsden: seems to have stalled though. |
| 05:11.56 | jmarsden | x3464: Then email them and offer to help :) |
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| 05:13.25 | x3464 | jmarsden: I haven't the foggiest of how to package something. |
| 05:13.49 | x3464 | jmarsden: All I can do is advocate for it I guess. |
| 05:14.05 | jmarsden | x3464: Then start learning, or stop worrying about how long it takes to package things. "advocating" doesn't change reality or get any useful work done. |
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| 05:14.54 | x3464 | jmarsden: I'm not "worrying" I'm just asking. |
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| 05:18.46 | jmarsden | x3464: "I just don't want Mangler (Ventrilo client) to die on the vine is all" is not exactly "just asking", IMO. That statement implies concern that it might indeed "die on the vine", which could reasonably be construed as "worrying". OK. So the answer is... it takes as long as it takes for a packaging team to package it properly. If you help, it might take less time than it otherwise would for one person to do it alone. So if you want to s |
| 05:18.46 | jmarsden | peed things up, pitch in and help :) |
| 05:21.33 | kaiyin | jmarsden: there is a problem, when there are spaces in a filename, find will not escape them in the output, and tar will see the file as multiple file, hence giving the "no such file" error. |
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| 05:22.53 | dudz_ | kaiyin, is it realistic to change your naming convention to not include spaces ? |
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| 05:23.55 | kaiyin | dudz_: not my convention, my files downloaded from the web are as such. |
| 05:24.01 | kaiyin | really can't help it. |
| 05:24.08 | jmarsden | kaiyin: What files are in /etc that have spaces in their names? Anyway, OK, you can do something more like I just don't want Mangler (Ventrilo client) to die on the vine is all |
| 05:24.24 | jmarsden | kaiyin: What files are in /etc that have spaces in their names? Anyway, OK, you can do something more like find /etc -maxdepth 1 -type f -print0 |xargs -0 tar zcf mytarfile.tar.gz |
| 05:25.11 | kaiyin | jmarsden: this time it's the /home/i/Download dir. |
| 05:25.26 | jmarsden | kaiyin: That is not the question I was answering :) |
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| 05:26.58 | nvz | when finger says I'm on tty7 (X) it says I'm idle the whole time.. is there a way for that to actually know I'm doing something in X? |
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| 05:29.22 | Bushmills | nvz: try to put your intented activity into ~/.plan |
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| 05:30.59 | nvz | Bushmills: yeah I figured that much out.. I'm just wondering if there is a way it can be notified there is activity like it does for xterms or such.. says 4 sec idle on pts/2 but 1hr 38min idle on tty7 |
| 05:31.19 | nvz | obviously I'm not idle in X cause I'm using pts/2 in X heh |
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| 05:32.34 | nvz | X is communicating over a socket and not directly with tty7 is why I would assume |
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| 05:34.23 | kaiyin | jmarsden: find /dir/path -ls would automatically esacape special chars, but it will also add verbose info like group, owner, mode etc. |
| 05:35.06 | jmarsden | kaiyin: Doesn't my idea of find /etc -maxdepth 1 -type f -print0 |xargs -0 tar zcf mytarfile.tar.gz work for you? |
| 05:38.11 | nvz | ok well here is a more serious question, how do I get finger to respond across the network? its currently only working locally by just typing "finger nvz" |
| 05:38.30 | nvz | if I use an internal or external ip it fails |
| 05:38.58 | Bushmills | tcp/79 is open? |
| 05:39.04 | nvz | yes |
| 05:39.08 | kaiyin | jmarsden: sorry, i checked the -print0 option and saw it only removes the newline. |
| 05:39.21 | kaiyin | now i see the xargs bit. |
| 05:39.28 | nvz | Bushmills: I can't even finger via IP on this box with its own IP |
| 05:39.36 | kaiyin | "take every char literally" |
| 05:39.56 | Bushmills | nvz: fingerd runs? |
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| 05:40.35 | nvz | Bushmills: yeah finger nvz works, but finger nvz@192.168.1.118 syas Connection Refused |
| 05:40.47 | nvz | Bushmills: I've read finger doesnt work with 192.168.0.0 |
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| 05:41.26 | jmarsden | nvz: Is fingerd bound to / listening on localhost only, instead of on all interfaces? |
| 05:42.04 | nvz | jmarsden: not sure, I just installed fingerd, I guess its running from xinetd |
| 05:42.47 | nvz | I've never used finger before.. just trying to learn now.. heh |
| 05:43.52 | jmarsden | nvz: Maybe read the xinetd.conf entry and check interfaces or bind information for your fingerd ? |
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| 05:46.36 | nvz | jmarsden: well shit, maybe fingerd isnt even running.. cause I dont see any configs anywhere |
| 05:46.39 | empiric | guys i am trying to run vmware ESX4 on dell 670 wrokstation machine it gives cpu linit error on boot from CD |
| 05:46.42 | empiric | amy idea |
| 05:46.43 | empiric | ? |
| 05:47.05 | nvz | jmarsden: I assumed it was due to finger nvz working |
| 05:47.15 | nvz | but I guess it doesnt need fingerd for that |
| 05:47.17 | jmarsden | nvz: Check /etc/xinetd.d/* ? |
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| 05:48.14 | jmarsden | The finger client can do local user info from the local machine itself, I think -- from the utmp file and from /etc/passwd probably. |
| 05:48.22 | nvz | jmarsden: yeah it doesnt exist |
| 05:49.10 | nvz | I dont know that I even have any form of inetd on here |
| 05:49.28 | jmarsden | nvz: Well, you *are* resurrecting something that most people haven't used for at least 20 years :) :) |
| 05:49.34 | cvrser | Is anyone using notify-osd? I receive notifications through it with clementine but dont get notifications through pidgin or anything else |
| 05:49.54 | nvz | jmarsden: trying to.. yeah |
| 05:50.04 | Bushmills | replaced by instant messenger status :) |
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| 05:50.17 | nvz | I only use IRC |
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| 05:51.06 | whomee | is it possible to run links2 in graphical mode on a non graphical machine? like it does not have X installed |
| 05:51.45 | Bushmills | whomee: frame buffer? yes. links2 -G |
| 05:52.17 | Bushmills | though that still requires a machine capable of graphics |
| 05:52.43 | whomee | Bushmills: ok, so i have to install some kind of frame buffer then or what? |
| 05:53.32 | Bushmills | very likely that you already have it. |
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| 05:53.53 | nvz | I installed xinetd and created the config for finger, seems like its working now |
| 05:54.15 | whomee | Bushmills: cause links2 -g doesnt work atm |
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| 05:54.28 | Bushmills | -g != -G |
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| 05:55.23 | whomee | Bushmills: let me refrase, links2 -G doesnt work, cant open /dev/fb0 |
| 05:55.47 | Bushmills | seems to have changed by now too. -g is ok |
| 05:57.21 | whomee | http://pastebin.com/nnyAvZ1t |
| 05:57.28 | whomee | that is what i get |
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| 05:59.27 | Bushmills | you may want to install fbset, and boot your system with frame buffer support |
| 06:00.03 | Bushmills | what video card do you have? |
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| 06:00.25 | whomee | its just a virtual machine |
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| 06:05.23 | Bushmills | there may be your problem |
| 06:06.33 | whomee | seems so :/ |
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| 06:13.45 | thegoodcushion | Hi everyone. I'm thinking of using debian stable. Does this incorporate GNOME by default? I want to coding with gcc, clang, and gedit |
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| 06:15.00 | nvz | thegoodcushion: default desktop system includes gnome, you can opt not to install desktop system or download an alternate desktop ISO.. there are ones for KDE, XFCE, and I believe even LXDE |
| 06:15.15 | thegoodcushion | ok |
| 06:15.16 | thegoodcushion | I like GNOME |
| 06:15.21 | thegoodcushion | Ubuntu's moving away from it |
| 06:15.37 | ZykoticK9 | thegoodcushion, that's Gnome 2 BTW |
| 06:15.56 | thegoodcushion | ZykoticK9: Oh |
| 06:15.58 | ZykoticK9 | thegoodcushion, "Ubuntu has moved away from it" you mean |
| 06:15.58 | thegoodcushion | I want GNOME 3 |
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| 06:16.20 | ZykoticK9 | thegoodcushion, Gnome3 is only experimental at this point in Debian |
| 06:16.34 | thegoodcushion | ZykoticK9: hmmm |
| 06:16.44 | thegoodcushion | It's not experimental in Ubuntu 10.10, it's standard |
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| 06:17.30 | ZykoticK9 | thegoodcushion, "standard" what do you mean, they don't have Gnome3 at all, there is a PPA... |
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| 06:18.06 | thegoodcushion | ZykoticK9: huh? GNOME version 3? |
| 06:18.41 | thegoodcushion | oh you're right |
| 06:18.46 | thegoodcushion | I thought I was running 3 but I'm not |
| 06:18.48 | thegoodcushion | I'm running 2 |
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| 06:21.14 | Bushmills | ,versions gnome-themes-standard |
| 06:21.15 | judd | Package gnome-themes-standard on i386 -- sid: 3.0.0-2; wheezy: 3.0.0-2 |
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| 06:21.27 | badmanners | Hey there, everybody! Are there any repositories with fonts like ubuntu, droid and pt sans? |
| 06:21.52 | Bushmills | seems there is a tiny begin of moving gnome3 to testing |
| 06:22.24 | thegoodcushion | okay this might sound like a trivial question but when you run nano in debian stable, does it do multi-colouring of source code? Also in gedit? I want to be able to print source code that is colourized. |
| 06:22.48 | badmanners | thegoodcushion: yes, it do |
| 06:22.59 | thegoodcushion | okay |
| 06:23.23 | thegoodcushion | I wonder what I want - stable or testing. I code in gcc and I need nano, gedit, clang, and bash |
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| 06:23.57 | tensorpudding | you're not likely going to miss the latest-and-greatest in nano, gedit or bash |
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| 06:24.07 | thegoodcushion | right |
| 06:24.09 | thegoodcushion | that's what I'm thinking |
| 06:24.17 | tensorpudding | clang however, is still progressing |
| 06:24.18 | Bushmills | commonly coders haggle over using emacs vs vi :) |
| 06:24.26 | badmanners | thegoodcushion: use vi, luke! |
| 06:24.57 | nvz | I gotta go with stallman's emacs if I had to choose |
| 06:25.12 | tensorpudding | gcc probably isn't a problem, but new releases are nice to have |
| 06:25.14 | thegoodcushion | I know they do, but I like nano |
| 06:26.38 | badmanners | And is anybody can answer my question? =) It's not a big one! |
| 06:27.17 | nvz | badmanners: I dont see why you couldnt use font package from ubuntu if its that big a deal |
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| 06:28.07 | tensorpudding | you can install the ubuntu font by hand |
| 06:28.11 | nvz | nowhere in debian's prorities did I see mention of cool looking fonts.. and as a long time debian user, I couldn't give two shits about fonts.. heh |
| 06:28.15 | tensorpudding | if you don't need it systemwide, just put it in ~/.fonts |
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| 06:28.19 | nvz | just saying.. |
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| 06:28.27 | tensorpudding | and run fc-cache |
| 06:29.02 | nvz | only time I care about fonts is when I cant read em |
| 06:29.18 | badmanners | nvz: omg thats right! take a look on pt sans an pt serif. |
| 06:29.37 | nvz | I dont even know what fonts I use |
| 06:29.38 | badmanners | tensorpudding: yeah... i need it systemwide |
| 06:29.49 | tensorpudding | you can still install it by hand |
| 06:30.42 | badmanners | tensorpudding: ofcourse but computers are about automatisation |
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| 06:31.13 | tensorpudding | well, the ubuntu package is probably usable in debian with little tweaking |
| 06:32.13 | streuner__ | dpkg, bobbitt |
| 06:32.13 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt ]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Lenny, Squeeze, and any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 06:32.35 | thegoodcushion | my dick will fall off? |
| 06:32.42 | streuner__ | hehe |
| 06:32.51 | tensorpudding | there's really not that much tweaking |
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| 06:33.07 | streuner__ | well, you loose support of Debian... |
| 06:33.37 | tensorpudding | if there wasn't already a package, it wasn't supported in the first place |
| 06:33.46 | streuner__ | thats true :-) |
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| 06:35.10 | streuner | tensorpudding: what kind of package is that? |
| 06:35.21 | tensorpudding | what? |
| 06:35.43 | streuner | nm |
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| 06:44.04 | kaiyin | does tar extract the tarball when tar -tf is used? |
| 06:44.21 | nevyn | kaiyin: no |
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| 06:44.42 | nevyn | but it does traverse the file. |
| 06:44.57 | nevyn | cause there's no index in tar files. |
| 06:44.58 | kaiyin | nevyn: what do you mean traverse? |
| 06:45.12 | nevyn | kaiyin: it starts at the start.... and reads the file to the end. |
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| 06:45.28 | nevyn | I'm pretty sure there's no index in a tar archive. |
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| 06:46.12 | kaiyin | nevyn: does it make tar unsuitable for backing up? |
| 06:46.27 | sacredchao | I have a raid-6 array with mdadm, and one of the members is reported as 'removed' instead of 'active sync' in mdadm -D output |
| 06:46.32 | nevyn | kaiyin: huh? |
| 06:47.05 | sacredchao | But I have strong suscpicions that the drive has no parity errors or anything making the data not in sync with the rest of the array |
| 06:47.05 | kaiyin | nevyn: because it does not have an index. |
| 06:47.36 | kaiyin | i am looking for a backup tool. |
| 06:47.46 | nevyn | kaiyin: no it's good there's no index |
| 06:47.56 | kaiyin | nevyn: why? |
| 06:48.06 | sacredchao | How can I add the drive to the array in it's original function, deliberately bypassing rebuuilding *anything* |
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| 06:48.30 | nevyn | kaiyin: because if there is corruption of a part of the backup (not that that's likely) you'll be able to recover everything but a very small part |
| 06:48.56 | nevyn | kaiyin: if you have corruption in some sort of index structure in your backup. you can have enormous losses |
| 06:49.08 | kaiyin | do you regularly use tar for backing up? |
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| 06:49.35 | nevyn | kaiyin: you can just schedule it from cron. but really backula or amanda are much better options |
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| 06:50.36 | nevyn | a tar is like a zip file the system has no smarts about incrementals or anything fancy really *I know you can do incrementals with tar but it's complicated. |
| 06:51.04 | kaiyin | nevyn: bacula seems heavy. |
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| 06:52.03 | nevyn | it is. it's a real backup solution at the enterprise type end of the scale. |
| 06:52.23 | nevyn | kaiyin: amanda is the middle ground imho. |
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| 06:53.06 | freddy__ | hi - I am upgrading from etch to lenny and have made a simple sources.list ... but I still get ignored when use aptitude update ? |
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| 06:53.29 | moele | is the latest flglxr driver bugged as far as anyone knows? |
| 06:53.34 | moele | I cant seem to get it to work properly |
| 06:54.18 | kaiyin | nevyn: is amanda well documented? |
| 06:54.46 | streuner | dpkg, info backuppc |
| 06:55.20 | dpkg | backuppc: (high-performance, enterprise-grade system for backing up PCs), section utils, is optional. Version: 3.2.0-3 (sid), Packaged size: 587 kB, Installed size: 2311 kB |
| 06:55.22 | freddy__ | I have a sources.list of only 3 lines |
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| 06:56.04 | freddy__ | is it safe when aptitude says ign and then some lines ? |
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| 06:58.18 | kaiyin | streuner: is backuppc well documented? |
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| 06:59.57 | freddy__ | sry for the repeting - but I have a problem with my upgrading from etch to lenny when using aptitude update I get 'ign' for some of the repositories but I have only 3 lines into it - is it then safe to upgrade ? |
| 07:00.27 | molqr | hello all.. i m trying to install debian on a lappy .. the ethernet controller is "Attansic Technology Corporation" ... the installer could not automatically detect the hardware ... when asked for a driver from a menu i chose atl1 but that did not work .. any advice? |
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| 07:02.44 | streuner | kaiyin: its just easy, but if need docs - http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/faq/BackupPC.html |
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| 07:07.37 | nevyn | kaiyin: so backuppc is also a good option |
| 07:08.10 | kaiyin | nevyn: thanks. |
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| 07:08.47 | nevyn | kaiyin: it really depends where you are and what specific risks you need to mitigate. |
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| 07:10.35 | kaiyin | nevyn: yeah, everyone is in a different situation, therefore has to make his own choice. |
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| 07:13.29 | moele | finally |
| 07:13.33 | moele | have that mess cleaned up |
| 07:14.19 | Pihti | freddy, what kind of trouble you have there with upgrading? |
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| 07:17.57 | freddy__ | Pihti: I was updating the sources.list to lenny and then got errors - then I found the official lines for sources.list for lenny and did another aptitude update and then got some 'ign' lines ... seems like it is gone now ... |
| 07:18.24 | Pihti | freddy, be careful when upgrading. |
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| 07:18.42 | freddy__ | Pihti: thats why I ask here ;-9 |
| 07:19.21 | freddy__ | Pihti: I have only 3 lines in my sources.list now and all gets fetched ... then upgrading should be fine, right |
| 07:19.39 | Pihti | when doing the upgrade, keep eye on the upgrade |
| 07:20.25 | freddy__ | Pihti: ok - so I should not go away when upgrading ... and write down any problems ? Is that what you say ? |
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| 07:21.38 | Pihti | yep |
| 07:21.53 | Pihti | from etch to lenny there is no steep stair |
| 07:21.54 | freddy__ | Pihti: ok - thanks |
| 07:22.11 | Pihti | but do the upgrade from virtual console |
| 07:22.17 | Pihti | not from Xfree |
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| 07:22.19 | Pihti | or Xorg |
| 07:22.38 | freddy__ | ok - actually I'm sitting on putty ... |
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| 07:22.41 | Pihti | (press ctrl+alt+f1 and then login as root) |
| 07:22.47 | Pihti | do not do the upgrade remotely |
| 07:23.19 | freddy__ | ok - so I should relocate and move to a console w/o X on the correct machine ? |
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| 07:23.27 | Pihti | yep |
| 07:23.35 | freddy__ | super, thanks |
| 07:24.08 | Pihti | it is best that you do that because if there happens something wicked, esp. network is down or ssh down after boot, you cannot do anything remotely |
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| 07:25.20 | Pihti | so do that kind of dist-upgrade (or full-upgrade) always locally |
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| 07:25.36 | Pihti | normal upgrade is safe to do remotely, but not a version upgrade |
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| 07:26.03 | Pihti | you need to reboot during the upgrade and if you have raid there, it might not boot even to stage that network works |
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| 07:33.46 | molqr | hello all.. i determined that my lan card needs atheros ar8152 driver but the debian lenny installer does not have it ... what should i do? |
| 07:34.03 | kgoetz | molqr: use squeeze |
| 07:34.34 | molqr | kgoetz ... thanks |
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| 07:47.17 | molqr | kgoetz, indeed ur suggestion worked like a miracle :) |
| 07:47.51 | ompaul | points out to kgoetz that would works like software :) |
| 07:48.07 | ompaul | arr missing a /be/ |
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| 07:51.17 | kgoetz | molqr: :) |
| 07:51.25 | kgoetz | ompaul: :) |
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| 07:58.49 | molqr | i get the warning during squeeze install : failure trying to run chroot /target dpkg --force-depends --install /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.11.2-10_i386.deb .... what's the problem? |
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| 08:00.50 | molqr | on virutual console 4 i get the message: a non-dpkg owned copy of the libc6*** pkg was found ... it is not safe to upgrade the c library in this situation |
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| 08:14.36 | ectospasm | molqr: are you trying to install on an existing OS? |
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| 08:15.12 | molqr | ectospasm, yes i m trying to set up a dual boot system.. i had ubuntu there alongsize win7 ... now i want to replace unbutu with debian |
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| 08:15.28 | ectospasm | molqr: did you format the Ubuntu partitions? |
| 08:15.37 | ectospasm | ...for Debian? |
| 08:15.53 | molqr | ectospasm, no .. i left them untouched... i wanted to save the data on /home |
| 08:16.10 | ectospasm | molqr: is /home on a separate partition, or lumped in with / and everything else? |
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| 08:16.34 | ectospasm | molqr: you're asking for trouble not formatting |
| 08:16.41 | molqr | ectospasm, i have swap then / and then /home ... so /home is a separate partition |
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| 08:16.52 | molqr | ectospasm, ok sir i will format / at least |
| 08:17.09 | ectospasm | molqr: yes, you'll have nothing but trouble if you don't at least format / and swap |
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| 08:17.32 | Pihti | molqr, then format the / and swap. You do not need to format /home, but expect problems with some programs |
| 08:17.47 | molqr | ectospasm, ok i will try that and report back |
| 08:17.54 | molqr | Pihti, thanks for the info |
| 08:18.07 | Pihti | Debian has older software and some parameters between Ubuntu and Debian differ |
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| 08:18.32 | ectospasm | Pihti: I assume you mean that some programs will have the same (pre-existing) configuration files |
| 08:18.35 | Pihti | You save yourself a lot if you remove .gnome* -files |
| 08:18.53 | Pihti | ectospasm: some programs have personalized files under /home |
| 08:19.01 | ectospasm | Pihti: yes, I know |
| 08:19.04 | Pihti | they can cause troubles |
| 08:19.17 | Pihti | the /etc -files are no trouble after formatting |
| 08:19.30 | ectospasm | fair enough |
| 08:20.04 | ectospasm | My last Debian install, I was able to move the old machine over, install Debian on the new, and suck all the files from the old to the new. |
| 08:20.08 | ectospasm | I'm on the new right now |
| 08:20.13 | ectospasm | ...so I avoided that problem |
| 08:20.36 | ectospasm | When I move from Ubunt at home, I'll need to remember that. |
| 08:20.44 | ectospasm | But I think I'll just make a data dump |
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| 08:20.52 | ectospasm | ...and restore what I need from the NAS |
| 08:21.00 | ectospasm | ...so I'll avoid that problem too |
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| 08:21.23 | Pihti | for example, Thunderbird or Icedove have their mail under /home |
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| 08:24.06 | freddy__ | where can I see the messages that scroll when debian is started ? |
| 08:24.26 | Pihti | dmesg |
| 08:24.41 | Pihti | or /var/log/messages |
| 08:25.17 | freddy__ | Pihti: I thought that but there was an error and that is not showing using dmesg | grep fail |
| 08:26.02 | Pihti | if the machine boots, the error is propably not severe |
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| 08:26.40 | frikinz | Did you try enabling bootlogd? /etc/default/bootlogd ? The early messages should then be in /var/log/boot |
| 08:26.41 | nvz | freddy__: /var/log/dmesg |
| 08:26.41 | freddy__ | Pihti: ok .. well it boots all rignt and major programs starts w/o problems |
| 08:26.56 | freddy__ | nvz: thanks |
| 08:27.17 | ectospasm | freddy__: it does depend *greatly* on exactly what the error is |
| 08:27.29 | ectospasm | ...certain errors are relatively benign |
| 08:27.36 | lkthomas | guys |
| 08:27.39 | ectospasm | others, like libata errors, not so much |
| 08:27.40 | nvz | frikinz: /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh saves all that into /var/log/dmesg at the end of the boot proceedure |
| 08:27.46 | lkthomas | how could I do round robin IP resolve by using /etc/hosts ? |
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| 08:28.52 | ectospasm | lkthomas: you'd probably want something like resolvconf, but for /etc/hosts instead of /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 08:29.09 | ectospasm | (I dunno if resolvconf is even close to what you want) |
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| 08:29.43 | lkthomas | I am using hosts |
| 08:29.47 | lkthomas | but each ping is same ip |
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| 08:30.04 | joltcan | lkthomas: I don't think you can. You need to have some dns server and create multiple A records for each IP |
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| 08:32.47 | freddy__ | ectospasm: ok - it was smth with mysql but I could not see what it was ... but mysql _is_ running so hopefully all is well .. |
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| 08:33.04 | freddy__ | ectospasm: this was from an aptitude upgrade .. |
| 08:33.34 | ectospasm | yeah, I'm no MySQL expert |
| 08:33.55 | freddy__ | ectospasm: ok - thanx |
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| 08:46.12 | freddy__ | have successfully upgraded from etch to lenny, hooray! seems to work nicely ... now I would like to upgrade to squeeze ... is that harder .. ? |
| 08:46.33 | JPT | it should work without big issues :) |
| 08:46.47 | JPT | (depending on your selections and possible dependendy-problems) |
| 08:47.10 | freddy__ | JPT: ok so change the sources.list, aptitude update, aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 08:47.15 | JPT | yup |
| 08:47.21 | freddy__ | super .. |
| 08:47.40 | c0nfl|ct | bom dia mundo |
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| 08:51.44 | freddy__ | JPT: are there more dependency problems from lenny to squeeze than from etch to lenny ? |
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| 08:55.22 | JPT | nope.. that just depends on the ones you may have created ;) |
| 08:55.29 | RichiH | freddy__: it should just work |
| 08:55.37 | JPT | if the upgrade from etch to lenny worked, the other one will be easy, too |
| 08:56.12 | RichiH | if you want, you can aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude dist-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade to stage your upgrades |
| 08:56.17 | RichiH | though that's not needed |
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| 09:09.01 | freddy__ | shit - I think I did an error - I upgraded from etch to lenny doing aptitude update, aptitude upgrade, but not aptitude dist-upgrade ... now I continued to squeeze - got a dependency problem .. now what do I do ? change sources.list to lenny and do aptitude distæ-upgrade |
| 09:10.56 | fti | freddy__ yes just try to do a lenny dist-upgrade |
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| 09:11.36 | freddy__ | fti: so I change sources.list back to lenny , do aptitude update, then aptitude dist-upgrade and then check for errors |
| 09:11.44 | fti | jap |
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| 09:12.30 | freddy__ | even though I have started (and ctrl-c) aptitude dist-upgrade for squeezy ? |
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| 09:13.25 | fti | in which package do you got this dependency problem? |
| 09:13.45 | freddy__ | ncurses |
| 09:14.16 | fti | hmm, which amount of packages had been upgraded before this error? |
| 09:14.20 | fti | ncruses is a basic lib |
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| 09:14.51 | freddy__ | dunno, sorry ... it wasn't that far .. |
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| 09:16.14 | freddy__ | then dpkg stopped and I could not get on |
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| 09:17.29 | freddy__ | so what I did was lenny: aptitude update; aptitude upgrade; change to squeeze in sources.list; aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade . Then got the error in dpkg |
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| 09:18.17 | freddy__ | fti: so you think I should go back and do dist upgrade of lenny ? |
| 09:18.49 | gnugr | !lenny->squeeze |
| 09:19.01 | freddy__ | gnugr: why |
| 09:19.07 | gnugr | infos |
| 09:19.35 | freddy__ | gnugr: sry dunno what that means - not experienced irc user .. |
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| 09:21.00 | gnugr | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 09:21.00 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>. |
| 09:21.18 | gnugr | does it helps you? |
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| 09:23.44 | gnugr | freddy__: get repositories from there: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/debian-squeeze-repositories-709694/ |
| 09:23.50 | freddy__ | gnugr: volatile ... so just take the basic, then dont use aptitude but apt-get for the specifid upgrade and the specvik kernel |
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| 09:25.00 | geckoclown | buenas |
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| 09:25.05 | lord_rob | Hi ! I don't have DNS resolution anymore on my Debian box (/etc/resolv.conf says #managed by Network Manager and no ip list). When I try to put dns IP manually here, it doesn't change anything. Any idea ? (Using SID) |
| 09:25.06 | freddy__ | gnugr: ok |
| 09:25.40 | simonlnu | freddy__: volatile is gone. remove it |
| 09:25.46 | sep | if you have a static stanca in interfaces file. add the dns entries there. |
| 09:25.52 | sep | if you use network manager add them there |
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| 09:26.22 | simonlnu | !volatile |
| 09:26.22 | dpkg | Squeeze users, ask me about <squeeze volatile>. Debian Volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <oldstable> distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. http://www.debian.org/volatile/ |
| 09:26.34 | simonlnu | !squeeze-updates |
| 09:26.35 | dpkg | The Debian <Volatile> archive is discontinued starting from Debian 6.0, replaced by the squeeze-updates suite on official mirrors. Your squeeze sources.list could have "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free". http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110215 http://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <squeeze/updates>, ask me about <security>. |
| 09:26.36 | sep | and if this is a static server with static network config. purge network manager :) |
| 09:26.59 | lord_rob | no it's my home box sep |
| 09:27.17 | lord_rob | and i'm on windows to talk to you |
| 09:27.36 | sep | all my home boxes are servers with static ip's so that does not change much for me |
| 09:27.43 | lord_rob | (don't really have choice ...:/) |
| 09:27.45 | freddy__ | gnugr: simonlnu I dont have any volatile then in my sources.list |
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| 09:28.24 | freddy__ | just deb from us.debian.org and deb-src drom same |
| 09:28.43 | milosn | hey guys |
| 09:29.30 | gnugr | freddy__: the link i sent you has all repositories |
| 09:29.54 | gnugr | freddy__: do not forget pinning |
| 09:29.58 | milosn | i have LXC setup on squeeze, but when i try to "shutdown -r now" my LXC guest container i get into maininance shell at the end of shutdown procedure |
| 09:30.01 | freddy__ | gnugr: thanks - but that has a LOT of repositiries - not just basic |
| 09:30.11 | milosn | which is of course not what i want! |
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| 09:30.18 | freddy__ | gnugr: pinning ? |
| 09:30.25 | milosn | where should i start looking to why this is happening? |
| 09:30.56 | gnugr | freddy__: yes pinning in /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 09:31.48 | gnugr | freddy__: pinning helps you to use in order more than one pack repos |
| 09:31.51 | freddy__ | gnugr: I dont have any file under that name |
| 09:32.11 | gnugr | freddy__: create one |
| 09:32.15 | freddy__ | gnugr: ok - I just want the most simple one |
| 09:32.27 | lord_rob | wonders why he needs network-manager after all. static private IP behind a router, manually specified DNS and voilà ... |
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| 09:33.31 | gnugr | freddy__: the link i sent you has pinning as well above |
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| 09:33.51 | molqr | while installing squeeze i get the error "unable to install grub in /dev/sdb" ... it automatically detected that i had windows .. and then it asked to install grub on mbr ... i said yes.. but i now face this error |
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| 09:35.00 | gnugr | freddy_: just copyy only the repos you want grom there |
| 09:35.11 | gnugr | from* |
| 09:35.12 | lord_rob | k lemme try this, hope I won't have to come back (especially with mirc) |
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| 09:35.55 | ArtVandalae | Hi guys, I'm here asking about the exclusion of two packages, deemed "non-free" because of codecs. First one is "ogmrip" and second is "handbrake". I assume if these packages were compiled without the patented codecs, or they were "dynamically" compiled in (and could be loaded at runtime if present), then these packages (barring any other issues) could be packaged as "Free". This is similar to the mplayer issue that happened 20 |
| 09:35.55 | ArtVandalae | 04-2006. Am I correct in my line of thought? |
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| 09:37.12 | freddy__ | gnugr: ok - thanks, So to recap - I switch back to lenny in sources.list - then do a aptitude dist-upgrade. Then do the apt-get thing to switch from lenny to squeeze, right ? |
| 09:37.17 | molqr | it should be installing grub on sdc .. but why does it try on /dev/sdb? |
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| 09:39.10 | gnugr | freddy__: when you finish adding new repositories do updates and then " uname -r " to see the distro |
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| 09:40.18 | freddy__ | gnugr: right now the uname -r is 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 09:40.48 | gnugr | it will change |
| 09:40.54 | freddy__ | gnugr: that should be lenny |
| 09:41.04 | gnugr | yes |
| 09:41.25 | gnugr | 2.6.32 is squeeze |
| 09:41.43 | freddy__ | ok - so even though I started a squeeze installation I can revert to lenny by changing the soruces.list and then do update and dist-upgrade |
| 09:41.49 | hid3 | Hello everyone. My debian squeeze box requests an IP from our ISP via DHCP. However, sometimes the DHCP server is not available, so I have made a static lease. However, it does not catch the static lease. Here's the output: http://pastebin.com/sLppxWR8 and my dhclient.conf looks like this: http://pastebin.com/QGs4xunC . Any ideas what might be wrong? |
| 09:42.28 | gnugr | freddy__: yes, add repos in sources.list and you'll be ok |
| 09:42.29 | hid3 | Oh, and I'm using isc-dhcp-client 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze2 |
| 09:42.55 | freddy__ | gnugr: thanx 100x... I try that. |
| 09:43.13 | molqr | ok i finally installed squeeze ... but i see that the windows entry is not shown in grub menu, although it was detected... where can i change this menu? |
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| 09:45.27 | gnugr | freddy__: do " gedit /etc/apt/sources.list " copy paste new repos, save them and then " gedit /etc/apt/preferences " add pinning if you need more repos, save them and do updates |
| 09:45.40 | molqr | i don't find the file /boot/grub/menu.lst file on my system? could i generate this file automatically? |
| 09:47.23 | Parsifal | molqr: Squeeze uses GRUB 2, which doesn't use menu.lst |
| 09:47.54 | molqr | Parsifal, i see.. thanks for the info ... but i don't see a windows entry in my grub menu.. how can i add that please? |
| 09:48.14 | Parsifal | molqr: Is the package os-prober installed? |
| 09:48.23 | freddy__ | gnugr: ok - I just did the thing and now are at: aptitude dist-upgrade where I'm informed.. leave the following dependencies unsolved: dpkg-dev recommends build-essential. Svore is -902 ... What does that mean ? |
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| 09:49.08 | molqr | Parsifal, sorry i don't know what is meant by os-prober but during the install process.. the installer detected windows and then asked me to install the grub on mbr... |
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| 09:49.26 | Parsifal | molqr: Type "aptitude search os-prober" into a terminal |
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| 09:49.38 | Parsifal | It should say "i" on the left next to the package name |
| 09:50.05 | molqr | Parsifal, yes it does say that |
| 09:50.10 | ectospasm | this discussion would be very useful to me. |
| 09:50.12 | ectospasm | watches |
| 09:50.12 | Parsifal | Hmm, so os-prober is installed |
| 09:50.33 | ectospasm | doesn't have that laptop with him, so he can't check. |
| 09:50.35 | Parsifal | Try running "update-grub" and see if it detects it, hopefully it will just work |
| 09:50.43 | molqr | Parsifal, ok |
| 09:50.59 | Parsifal | Otherwise you'll need to add an entry for Windows manually, like I did for GNU/kFreeBSD because os-prober doesn't detect it properly |
| 09:51.04 | ectospasm | yeah, the installer detected it OK for me (it's been a few weeks), but I just noticed Windows wasn't in the GRUB2 list |
| 09:51.08 | Parsifal | update-grub should be run as root, btw |
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| 09:51.49 | molqr | Parsifal, yes did that.. and looking at the messages i could see that it detected windows.. so should i reboot and check? |
| 09:52.11 | Parsifal | Yes, do that, hopefully it'll have put it in the menu if it's been detected |
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| 09:52.17 | Parsifal | Good luck |
| 09:52.57 | ectospasm | molqr: please report back and let me know when it works |
| 09:52.57 | EugenMayer | by using pinning ( preferenc preferences.d ) to install e.g. openoffice.org from squeeze-backports while installing your own-made .deb package, how would i do that? |
| 09:53.06 | ectospasm | when I get power again, I'll have to check it out. |
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| 09:53.32 | molqr | Parsifal, many thanks to u yes this time round it was detected ... ectospasm yes it works now :) |
| 09:53.34 | EugenMayer | is there a special option in the control file, or do i have to add a special pre...d/openoffice file in preinst with the pinngin options? |
| 09:53.50 | Parsifal | molqr: No problem, glad it works :) |
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| 09:58.11 | dfgd | hi, i think my bash autocomplete it's not working right, before if i did a command like ls at a directory that contains other directories it would append a slash after and a double tab would show a list of subdirectories, now if i ls any dir it autocompletes the dir name but appends a space after, just like after a regular file |
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| 09:59.14 | dfgd | so i need to backspace, append a slash, write the next subdir and hit enter for example |
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| 10:02.56 | simonlnu | !bts |
| 10:02.56 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 10:03.02 | simonlnu | dfgd: ^^ |
| 10:03.44 | dfgd | hmm |
| 10:04.18 | dfgd | i have bash-completion installed, and it's enabled in my .bashrc still not autocomplete |
| 10:04.19 | dfgd | sucks |
| 10:04.49 | dfgd | yesterday it was working, today i just installed gnumeric |
| 10:04.55 | dfgd | and vpnc |
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| 10:05.21 | dfgd | i'll try the windows solution, restart :) |
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| 10:06.04 | molqr | i installed squeeze using stable netinstall image.. but now i want to start using the unstable repo.. should i simply change my sources.list? |
| 10:06.22 | tvm | molqr: yes. |
| 10:06.58 | molqr | tvm, many thanks. may i also request u to paste ur sources.list on some pastebin |
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| 10:07.36 | tvm | i don't use unstable, but you just want to merely replace "stable" with "unstable" clauses |
| 10:07.42 | Parsifal | molqr: It's probably better to use testing rather than unstable, unless you're confident you can deal with whatever breaks in unstable |
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| 10:08.38 | molqr | Parsifal, i see ... some body suggested that using the unstable repo means that i will have the latest bleeding edge software like those rolling release model guys |
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| 10:09.04 | tvm | yes, and lots of broken stuff aswell. |
| 10:09.08 | Parsifal | molqr: It does, but it also means that if a broken package gets uploaded and you update, your system breaks |
| 10:09.17 | simonlnu | !sid |
| 10:09.18 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 10:09.46 | molqr | tvm, Parsifal , thanks for the explanation. i think i will stick to stable for now. ... |
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| 10:09.55 | molqr | Parsifal, is testing ok? |
| 10:09.58 | simonlnu | 'as well' |
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| 10:10.10 | EugenMayer | what is wrong with http://pastebin.com/4xU4P91p for installing openoffice form backports? |
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| 10:11.46 | Parsifal | molqr: Testing is more stable than unstable, and more bleeding edge than stable. It doesn't break as often or as badly as unstable, but isn't as rock solid as stable either. It really depends what you'd prefer. |
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| 10:12.29 | molqr | Parsifal, many thanks ... i have learn't a lot today :) |
| 10:12.52 | simonlnu | EugenMayer: backports a) is likely not very active yet b) it's going to be libreoffice, not openoffice, as ooo is now dead |
| 10:13.01 | simonlnu | 'learned' |
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| 10:13.51 | EugenMayer | simonlnu: 1. OOO is "open source" again. 2. i need it headless as a dep 3. I dont care about backports being unactive, i just need 3.2.1 :) |
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| 10:17.08 | tvm | eugenmayer: 3.2.1 is in stable repository afaik. |
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| 10:17.17 | simonlnu | EugenMayer: yeh, but nonetheless, you can't get anything from there if there's nothing in it to get |
| 10:17.34 | EugenMayer | tvm: in this case your are wrongm its 3.2.0-1 right now |
| 10:17.35 | simonlnu | EugenMayer: yes, and named libreoffice |
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| 10:18.06 | tvm | eugenmayer: Version: 1:3.2.1-11+squeeze2 on my 6.0.1 |
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| 10:19.16 | flo` | hi |
| 10:19.26 | flo` | can i use wheezy's kernel package in a squeeze system? |
| 10:19.48 | EugenMayer | tvm: odd. |
| 10:19.54 | flo` | or should i compile that kernel on my own, using squeeze's kernel settings? |
| 10:19.57 | tvm | eugenmayer: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/openoffice.org |
| 10:20.15 | flo` | (i'd prefer not compiling, because i need a kernel with all drivers, and have no very fast machine" |
| 10:20.38 | EugenMayer | oh holy...i got lenny/stable in my sources.list .. |
| 10:20.49 | thinksteve | flo`: Mixing different branches is not recommended and not supported. |
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| 10:21.13 | flo` | thinksteve, okay, that was the default answer. and now: will this break my system or not? |
| 10:21.30 | flo` | i mean, mixing libraries really sucks. but mixing the kernel..? |
| 10:21.45 | tvm | flo`: probably not, if you do it carefully, you can always compile the kernel on the other machine. |
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| 10:22.24 | simonlnu | shouldn't be a problem - usually - but beware, it might depend on something not present in stable. "you takes your chances" |
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| 10:22.30 | thinksteve | flo`: kernel depended apllications like udev won't like it and will likely break your system |
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| 10:22.55 | dfgd | can anyone try ls /ho then hit tab ? i believe bash should autocomplete to ls /home/ right? in my case it autocompletes to ls /home no trailing slash, whyyyy please |
| 10:23.14 | tvm | dfgd: yes, it should. |
| 10:23.19 | Spow | Hi, I have a Lenny distro up and running on an ALIX board. I managed to connect to the internet but I still have issues with the apt-get : I can't update the list of sources and I'm left with a bunch of messages that look like this :W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.tr.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages Cannot initiate the connection to ftp.tr.debian.org:80 (2001:a98:11::100). - connect (101 Network is unreachable) |
| 10:23.26 | tvm | dfgd: some odd stuff in your .bashrc or .profile ? |
| 10:23.30 | simonlnu | dfgd: go see the bts like i suggested to you earlier |
| 10:23.50 | dfgd | simonlnu, is there a solution there? |
| 10:23.57 | dfgd | i'm using debian testing |
| 10:24.07 | dfgd | this never happened before :( |
| 10:24.08 | Spow | (I changed ftp.debian to ftp.tr.debian since the first might not exist) |
| 10:24.09 | simonlnu | there could be a bug filed there already... |
| 10:24.36 | dfgd | i never knew how much it means autocomplete, now i see :) |
| 10:24.42 | dfgd | it's unusable without |
| 10:24.59 | EugenMayer | tvm: simonlnu: you were both right. Iam actually on lenny even..and there is a lot mixed up on that dedicated |
| 10:25.12 | simonlnu | Spow: it's timing out on the ipv6 connection |
| 10:25.37 | EugenMayer | just in case, does the debian package installer on lenny use apt-get or aptitude? Its just because of that bug that aptitude does not use /etc/preferences.d/* |
| 10:25.52 | Spow | simonlu: do I have to configure the Lenny so that it has a ipv4 ? |
| 10:26.09 | tvm | eugenmayer: it should support both |
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| 10:26.56 | EugenMayer | tvm: so to install ooo from lenny-backports and place a etc/preferences.d/oo with the pinning there, a backports source in sources.d and the it should probably work |
| 10:27.04 | simonlnu | Spow: you can't configure the remote server to use ipv4 only. please use tab completion or spell my nick properly, i could miss your message. |
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| 10:27.31 | dfgd | simonlnu, no bug there for autocomplete |
| 10:27.33 | simonlnu | Spow: you already have ipv4 set up. |
| 10:27.35 | kaiyin | hi, how can i extract a specific file from a tar ball? |
| 10:27.44 | simonlnu | dfgd: look under bash-completion |
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| 10:28.06 | simonlnu | or bash even (iirc that's the source package) |
| 10:28.25 | Parsifal | kaiyin: 'man tar' should tell you |
| 10:28.35 | Spow | simonlnu: why does it time out on IPV6 if I have ipV4 ? (under ifconfig I have eth1 IPV4 for sure) |
| 10:28.59 | simonlnu | Spow: because you don't have ipv6 working ? |
| 10:29.28 | Spow | simonlnu: So I need to change my IP to V6 and it will work ? |
| 10:29.29 | simonlnu | Spow: it should be going to the v4 automatically |
| 10:29.36 | simonlnu | no |
| 10:30.05 | simonlnu | try fetching again, that's all |
| 10:30.40 | Spow | simonlnu: same result, always |
| 10:31.02 | Spow | is there a way to download it by and install by hand ? |
| 10:31.08 | simonlnu | change mirror then |
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| 10:31.28 | simonlnu | you're complicating things for nothing |
| 10:31.48 | dfgd | simonlnu, i found something http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=613900 |
| 10:31.53 | dfgd | simonlnu, now what ? |
| 10:32.17 | simonlnu | !dbugs 613900 |
| 10:32.21 | dpkg | #613900:N[bash-completion] bash-completion: ls foo [TAB] shows foobar instead of foobar/ even if foobar is a directory (); Fri, 18 Feb 2011 03:54:02 UTC [] |
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| 10:32.35 | dfgd | yep that's it |
| 10:32.59 | simonlnu | seems about right. read it, and see if there's a solution. if not you can add to it if you want. |
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| 10:33.34 | dfgd | i read the whole bug report and no solution there |
| 10:33.36 | dfgd | :( |
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| 10:33.46 | mongrol | ello |
| 10:34.06 | Spow | simonlnu: I tried ftp.us instead of ftp.tr and I get a 111 Connection refused instead of 101 Network unreachable |
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| 10:34.40 | Garda | hey guys |
| 10:34.56 | Garda | what's the text editor on a basic debian system |
| 10:35.05 | Garda | i installed debian with just the first 2 cds |
| 10:35.07 | Garda | no gui |
| 10:35.10 | simonlnu | Spow: if you want, you could *add* (not replace the v4 with v6, they can co-exist) some working global ipv6 addresses so you don't get silly timeouts, or disable ipv6 - note that ipv4 ran out of ips in february ;). |
| 10:35.11 | dfgd | simonlnu, can i downgrade to stable bash and bash-completion from testing ? |
| 10:35.16 | Garda | haven't setup internet yet |
| 10:35.20 | Garda | there's no emacs |
| 10:35.35 | Parsifal | Garda: nano or vi should work, pick whichever you prefer |
| 10:35.37 | simonlnu | Spow: ftp.us.debian.org ? |
| 10:35.45 | qjqqyy | it is nano |
| 10:35.46 | Spow | simonlnu: yes |
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| 10:36.08 | simonlnu | and you tried straight up ftp.d.o right? |
| 10:36.25 | simonlnu | thinks something wrong with Spow's network |
| 10:36.30 | Spow | simonlnu: that's how it was configured at first |
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| 10:36.58 | Spow | simonlnu: maybe something is wrong, but I can SSH to the board fine, or ping google from it |
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| 10:37.22 | simonlnu | checking |
| 10:37.28 | Parsifal | dfgd: You can, but it's not recommended or supported, so if you try it and things break you're on your own |
| 10:38.14 | simonlnu | Spow: .tr one is very slow for me also |
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| 10:38.27 | simonlnu | lftp ftp.tr.debian.org |
| 10:38.27 | simonlnu | lftp ftp.tr.debian.org:~> ls |
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| 10:38.32 | simonlnu | `ls' at 0 [Connecting...] |
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| 10:39.15 | simonlnu | in fact, i bet it's down |
| 10:39.21 | jelly-home | worksforme |
| 10:39.22 | dfgd | Parsifal, i just found a report about the same bug and it seems /etc/bash_completion.d/acroread.sh is the culprit, i just installed acrobat reader the other day .. it says removing it should fix this |
| 10:39.36 | dfgd | ha |
| 10:39.38 | dfgd | fix it |
| 10:39.39 | dfgd | :) |
| 10:39.44 | dfgd | stupid acrobat |
| 10:39.52 | simonlnu | Spow: hm, it's not. i just nmapped it |
| 10:39.59 | Spow | simonlnu: I also did try fr, uk, de |
| 10:39.59 | jelly-home | lftp 938 jelly 4u IPv4 74079 0t0 TCP 192.168.168.100:56594->193.140.100.100:ftp (ESTABLISHED) |
| 10:40.03 | dfgd | can you believe it |
| 10:40.31 | Spow | simonlnu: no they're not down I can access them via my web browser (not that I know if it has any links, but I assume so ^) |
| 10:40.37 | cusco_ | acrobat is not on repos |
| 10:40.43 | dfgd | yeah |
| 10:40.46 | dfgd | from adobe |
| 10:40.47 | cusco_ | its a vrus |
| 10:40.50 | jelly-home | ,versions acroread |
| 10:40.50 | cusco_ | virus |
| 10:40.50 | judd | Package acroread on i386 -- lenny-multimedia/non-free: 9.4.1-0.1; sid-multimedia/non-free: 9.4.2-0.0; squeeze-multimedia/non-free: 9.4.2-0.0; wheezy-multimedia/non-free: 9.4.2-0.0 |
| 10:40.51 | cusco_ | :) |
| 10:40.58 | cusco_ | oh it is |
| 10:40.59 | dfgd | nah |
| 10:41.00 | cusco_ | :| |
| 10:41.04 | dfgd | i installed it from adobe |
| 10:41.05 | dfgd | not the repos |
| 10:41.10 | cusco_ | you've let a virus in the repos |
| 10:41.19 | simonlnu | oh stop it |
| 10:41.32 | dfgd | yeah |
| 10:41.35 | dfgd | stop it |
| 10:41.36 | dfgd | haha |
| 10:42.32 | cusco_ | its a virus |
| 10:42.37 | dfgd | your are a virus |
| 10:42.40 | dfgd | you* |
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| 10:42.46 | cusco_ | :) |
| 10:43.02 | jelly-home | adapts the /ignore rules |
| 10:43.02 | simonlnu | cusco_: be quiet, or i'll ask the ops to silence you |
| 10:43.18 | cusco_ | o.O |
| 10:43.22 | cusco_ | easy now |
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| 10:43.35 | jelly-home | !offtopic |
| 10:43.35 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 10:43.42 | cusco_ | yes yes I got it |
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| 10:47.05 | g0rd0n | hello! |
| 10:47.10 | g0rd0n | my lvm group has somehow disappeared |
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| 10:47.24 | g0rd0n | any ideas how i can re-enable it? |
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| 10:49.17 | sussudio | jeff_hann: smartd[3412]: Device: /dev/sdd, FAILED SMART self-check. BACK UP DATA NOW! |
| 10:49.21 | sussudio | !fist OVH |
| 10:49.21 | dpkg | uses OVH as a handpuppet |
| 10:49.40 | jeff_hann | sussudio: told ya |
| 10:50.28 | sussudio | jeff_hann: this is actually the other one they "replaced", not the one i'm testing |
| 10:50.42 | jeff_hann | oh :| |
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| 10:51.35 | sussudio | yeah, i'm thinking they put in someone else's failing drives instead of new ones. |
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| 10:55.02 | Spow | simonlnu: I have added in modprobe.d/aliases the lines 'alias net-pf-10 off' and 'alias ipv6 off' but it has no noticeable effects. I'm actually unsure of what you recommended me to do at last step |
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| 10:55.05 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: are the pvs still there? vgs? |
| 10:55.21 | simonlnu | Spow: you need to reboot after you do that |
| 10:55.36 | Spow | simonlnu: oh ok will do |
| 10:55.37 | milosn | why is postfix not registering log rotation with logrotate? |
| 10:55.48 | g0rd0n | jelly: i dont know what you mean. the disks are all there, the lvm was on a raid and the raid is still complete |
| 10:55.55 | milosn | cant seem to find anything in logrotate.d |
| 10:56.28 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: pastebin the output of "pvs" and "vgs" commands |
| 10:56.53 | sep | milosn, my postfix logs to syslog's mail.log |
| 10:57.07 | sep | and hence logrotated as part of system's syslog as well |
| 10:57.07 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: damn, nope, not in there... well i have a third disk with another lvm on it, that one is still there, but the main lvm on the raid has disappeared |
| 10:57.23 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: since you said LVM I assumed knowledge of terminology, what's a PV, VG, LV |
| 10:57.36 | milosn | sep: yes i know, and where is log rotation for mail.log configured? |
| 10:57.44 | milosn | ah i see |
| 10:57.48 | milosn | let me have a look |
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| 10:58.02 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: ohh physical volume, volume group, logical volume, lol yeah i know what those are :) |
| 10:58.53 | g0rd0n | well, the lvm on my raid is not there anymore at all, neither in PV or VG or LG |
| 10:59.36 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: did your array device/name change? What prompted the disappearance? Reboot, upgrade, it just went away while the rest of the machine was online and chugging along? |
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| 10:59.51 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: anything in /var/log/kern.log? |
| 10:59.59 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: didn't change anything. yeah, the reboot prompted the disappearance |
| 11:00.18 | jelly-home | ah yes, the dreaded "didn't change anything" situation |
| 11:00.25 | jelly-home | so seldom true |
| 11:00.40 | g0rd0n | seriously, i set up the lvm and raid once, had a KVM machine running on it, and that's it |
| 11:00.57 | g0rd0n | did the normal debian apt-get update / upgrade things, nothing else |
| 11:01.08 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: do you have any recent backups of the setup? When's the last time you ran vgcfgbackup? |
| 11:02.21 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: ewww... |
| 11:02.31 | g0rd0n | :( |
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| 11:02.55 | g0rd0n | no backup... i just remember how the VG was called and that i had just one LV on it |
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| 11:03.25 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: no comment. pastebin your /etc/lvm/lvm.conf, and output of, say, cat /proc/partitions. What's the raid array device? |
| 11:03.31 | g0rd0n | oh... i just noticed, the raid is missing!! |
| 11:03.47 | g0rd0n | for some reasaon |
| 11:03.53 | g0rd0n | lets see if i can assemble it |
| 11:04.06 | g0rd0n | yeah md2 is missing |
| 11:04.22 | jelly-home | well, if the pv is missing it will be hard to bring the vg up |
| 11:04.37 | g0rd0n | heh yeah |
| 11:04.42 | freddy__ | my new lenny box needs bnx2-06-4.0.5.fw so I cannot go into the internet. Is there any way I can get that file from the internet, copy that to usb and then install from that ? |
| 11:04.45 | g0rd0n | array conf is missing from mdadm.conf, wth |
| 11:04.54 | g0rd0n | that would explain it i guess |
| 11:05.23 | g0rd0n | yeah on the other server the third array is in the conf, not on this one... must have been my mistake |
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| 11:05.26 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: does /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf show that array device |
| 11:05.33 | g0rd0n | i hope that adding it and rebooting will restore the lvm |
| 11:05.34 | babilen | freddy__: You are looking for the firmware-bnx2 package -- And why lenny and not squeeze? |
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| 11:06.26 | freddy__ | babilen: because until now I am only gotten to lenny ... and I cannot go onto the internet w/o it, can I ? |
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| 11:06.42 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: uhm yeah, but for some reason it is not called md2 but md127 |
| 11:06.43 | g0rd0n | wth |
| 11:06.46 | jelly-home | freddy__: usb sticks or cdr media help |
| 11:07.04 | freddy__ | jelly-home: ok so I found this: firmware-bnx2_0.14+lenny2_all.deb |
| 11:07.04 | babilen | freddy__: Well, never underestimate the bandwith of a truck full of tapes ;) |
| 11:07.15 | freddy__ | babilen: he he |
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| 11:07.30 | jelly-home | freddy__: are you using the default 2.6.26-something kernel? If you are, that might work |
| 11:07.53 | jelly-home | judd: file bnx2-06-4.0.5.fw --release lenny |
| 11:07.58 | babilen | freddy__: You can copy the firmware-bnx2 package to a usb stick and install it on the system. Shouldn't be a big problem. I was just asking because I was surprised tht you *installed* lenny and not squeeze |
| 11:07.59 | judd | bnx2-06-4.0.5.fw in lenny/i386: firmware-bnx2: lib/firmware/bnx2-06-4.0.5.fw |
| 11:08.27 | jelly-home | babilen: did he say he installed lenny and not upgraded something to lenny? |
| 11:08.31 | babilen | jelly-home: already checked that |
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| 11:08.33 | freddy__ | jelly-home: just took the first I had .. dunno which it was |
| 11:08.47 | babilen | jelly-home: No, he did not which prompted me to ask "why lenny and not squeeze" |
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| 11:09.04 | freddy__ | babilen: yeah I made an error installing jenny and went back and corrected it.. |
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| 11:09.35 | simonlnu | jenny, deb's little sister ;p |
| 11:09.42 | babilen | freddy__: So is this a new installation or have you upgraded from an older release? |
| 11:09.52 | jelly-home | simonlnu: I got her number |
| 11:10.03 | simonlnu | you would |
| 11:10.10 | freddy__ | babilen: I upgraded from etch |
| 11:10.52 | babilen | freddy__: Ok, then just install that package manually (dpkg -i) and keep on going. Note that following the release notes is quite important for lennyâsqueeze |
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| 11:11.10 | freddy__ | babilen: thanx |
| 11:11.18 | babilen | have fun |
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| 11:11.46 | feAR` | hi |
| 11:12.25 | feAR` | Guys, need advices/help :) I'm trying to install debian 6 on my server. I made a hardware raid 1, but debian installer can't partition it |
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| 11:12.31 | Spow | simonlnu: I'm stuck with this now :"Could not create a socket for 2a01:e0c:1:1598::2 (f=10 t=1 p=6) - socket (97 Address family not supported by protocol) [IP: 2a01:e0c:1:1598::2 80]" Does it mean I need to reenable V6 and shut V4 instead ? |
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| 11:12.50 | feAR` | it sees a raid hdd, and also two seperate hard disks |
| 11:13.24 | simonlnu | Spow: yes, but do NOT shut down v4 |
| 11:13.27 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: ok i readded md2 and rebooted, so md2 is there now, but still the lvm has not reappeared :( any ideas as to why? |
| 11:13.30 | Spow | simonlnu: since 2a01:e0c:1:1598::2 does look like ipv6 |
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| 11:13.36 | simonlnu | it is |
| 11:13.50 | Spow | simonlnu: ok, but won't that bring back to what my original con,figuration was ? |
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| 11:15.55 | simonlnu | Spow: whowhat? |
| 11:16.05 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: now provide the requested data |
| 11:16.35 | g0rd0n | yes sir |
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| 11:17.31 | Spow | simonlnu: if I reactivate ipv6 and leave ipv4 alone, i'm back to what I tested ~1h ago right ? |
| 11:17.49 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/GuVfKZ11 this is lvm.conf and http://pastebin.com/vUQguAh4 is /proc/partitions |
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| 11:18.46 | simonlnu | Spow: yes |
| 11:18.54 | simonlnu | Spow: switch mirror |
| 11:18.59 | g0rd0n | the missing lvm was on md2 and was called "raid" |
| 11:19.19 | joltcan | Good name |
| 11:19.25 | g0rd0n | thank you |
| 11:19.27 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: what does ls -l /dev/mapper/ show at present? |
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| 11:19.58 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/yVuGc002 |
| 11:20.20 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... theres no e17 available for debian 6 ? |
| 11:20.37 | babilen | cobra-the-joker: No |
| 11:20.37 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: I suppose that's not the lvm you're after |
| 11:21.00 | babilen | ,versions e17 |
| 11:21.01 | judd | Package e17 on i386 -- sid: 0.16.999.55225-1 |
| 11:21.05 | babilen | cobra-the-joker: ^^^^^ |
| 11:21.12 | cobra-the-joker | sid :S |
| 11:21.25 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: nope :( |
| 11:21.29 | babilen | !tell cobra-the-joker -about ssb |
| 11:21.30 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: alright, what about "pvs" and "pvs -vv" ? |
| 11:21.37 | BlackFate | is e17 still alive? |
| 11:21.53 | babilen | cobra-the-joker: No idea how many dependencies you have to backport for it to work though |
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| 11:22.16 | cobra-the-joker | BlackFate , some fresh distros are being based on it |
| 11:22.18 | babilen | BlackFate: It was recently resurrected and is now again "the shit" like it was in the early 00 |
| 11:22.21 | cobra-the-joker | so i think yes |
| 11:22.32 | cobra-the-joker | but its a very lazy project |
| 11:22.36 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/uEfw9yMk |
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| 11:23.12 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: note that for some reason md3 doesn't get scanned at all |
| 11:23.20 | jelly-home | md2 * |
| 11:23.27 | g0rd0n | maybe the lvm label is missing now? |
| 11:24.34 | jelly-home | the device doesn't get checked at all; unsure about the reason |
| 11:24.53 | g0rd0n | i mean i could recreate the PV, but will i be able to recreate my LV without losing the data inside? |
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| 11:25.13 | jelly-home | we don't know whether it's lost or not. |
| 11:25.26 | jelly-home | because, lvm doesn't even look at it |
| 11:25.57 | jelly-home | and that's the first issue to solve |
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| 11:26.02 | g0rd0n | damn |
| 11:28.00 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: does /dev/md2 exist? |
| 11:28.30 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: yes, i reassembled it |
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| 11:28.48 | g0rd0n | and it appears in /proc/mdstat |
| 11:29.06 | jelly-home | and the device entry is present in /dev |
| 11:29.10 | g0rd0n | however for some reason it looks a bit different, probably a newer version of the metadata |
| 11:29.25 | g0rd0n | yes, there is /dev/md2 |
| 11:29.38 | jelly-home | metadata version doesn't change by itself |
| 11:29.50 | g0rd0n | 956661215 blocks super 1.2 [2/2] [UU] <- that "super 1.2" was not there before |
| 11:30.27 | jelly-home | hmm |
| 11:30.37 | g0rd0n | uhm and it says auto-read-only |
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| 11:31.21 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: file -s /dev/md2 |
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| 11:31.46 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: /dev/md2: data |
| 11:31.48 | jelly-home | ("is there, in fact, a lvm signature on it") |
| 11:31.50 | jelly-home | "no" |
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| 11:33.03 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: it seems possible you somehow managed to put both 1.2 and 0.9 metadata on the raid array members, or accidentally overwrote the previous, valid metadata |
| 11:33.25 | g0rd0n | ok let's assume i overwrote the metadata |
| 11:33.27 | g0rd0n | am i screwed? |
| 11:33.36 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: actual data for 0.9 starts at the beginning of the disk; for 1.2 is has an offset |
| 11:34.04 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: if that's true, a small part of the filesystem is overwritten |
| 11:34.06 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: i think at the time i had to specifically tell mdadm to use 0.9 metadata, which now i did not when reassembling |
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| 11:34.20 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: /proc/mdstat ? |
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| 11:34.48 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/HF3iLwVj |
| 11:34.53 | jelly-home | fwiw, file says something like this for a PV: /dev/sdb3: LVM2 (Linux Logical Volume Manager) , UUID: UpVc446hzGPfKP27G80DVAqZVZ0vESo |
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| 11:35.16 | kuhkatz | i somehow destroyd my gtk-theme. it looks all like gtk-default now. the theme is still installed, but system-> preferences-> appearance says it cant be displayed correctly because something is missing. i tried reinstalling the theme, no difference. anyone has a clue? |
| 11:35.16 | Spow | simonlnu: well, I don't know what I've changed (i'm back to the prev. conf.) but it now works for some reason. Ty for your patience |
| 11:35.45 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: yeah, i see for sdc it says lvm |
| 11:36.08 | g0rd0n | i'll remove md2 and see to find the command to assemble it with 0.9 metadata |
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| 11:36.36 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: did you use any force options when assembling it the last time? |
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| 11:36.42 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: nope |
| 11:36.42 | jelly-home | or any previous time |
| 11:36.53 | g0rd0n | nope |
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| 11:39.58 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: what if you set md_component_detection = 0 in lvm.conf (line 94), and rerun pvs -vv |
| 11:40.34 | wr| | hi. I'm trying to rescue (or rather find) some data using debugfs. the root directory is corrupted (at least "pwd" tells me), but "stats" says there are 100,000+ directories on the fs. is there any way to get a list of those or find a specific one without descending the tree (which I can't as it's broken)? |
| 11:40.38 | EugenMayer | is there any way to ensure that the java-alternatives are set to sun-java-jre when installing a deb package? |
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| 11:41.48 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: yeah, it states md2 now but says "no label detected" |
| 11:42.14 | wr| | EugenMayer: you could grep through update-alternatives --display java |
| 11:42.14 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: and the same for sda4 and sdb4? |
| 11:42.28 | EugenMayer | wr|: yeah, the only way or? |
| 11:42.29 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: those are not listed |
| 11:42.43 | EugenMayer | wr|: just "set" it wont work ? somehow with /etc/alternatives |
| 11:42.49 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: oh, you might have to stop the array to make the /dev/ entries for those reappear |
| 11:43.04 | wr| | EugenMayer: or just readlink /etc/alternatives/java :) |
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| 11:43.32 | EugenMayer | wr|: well thats it :) thanks |
| 11:43.36 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: I _think_ new mdadms hide array members |
| 11:43.37 | wr| | you probably don't want to override the user's setting |
| 11:43.50 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: /dev/sda4: lvm2 label detected |
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| 11:43.58 | jelly-home | yeah |
| 11:44.06 | g0rd0n | so is there hope? :'( |
| 11:44.09 | themill | dpkg: tell EugenMayer about update-java-alternatives |
| 11:44.15 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: /dev/sdb4 lvm2 a- 912.34g 912.34g 912.34g r2PRcs-RJj3-4b21-VVGT-sZ7P-XpFe-UancLN |
| 11:44.25 | EugenMayer | themill: i know about that. Its during "deb installatino time" |
| 11:44.31 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: depends on how much lvm and md 1.2 metadata overlap |
| 11:44.41 | EugenMayer | themill: so i rather would like to set it using cli, non interactive |
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| 11:45.00 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: i dont have anything at the end of the lvm partition... the pv is like 900 gb and the single lvm was under 500 gb |
| 11:45.05 | themill | EugenMayer: update-java-alternatives is non-interactive, cli tool. |
| 11:45.20 | EugenMayer | themill: actually it asks? hmm lemme check |
| 11:45.27 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: so any idea how i can assemble the raid with the existing 0.9 metadata? |
| 11:45.49 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: you might be lucky and just zero-superblock the md 1.2 metadata and assemble or create the array anew with 0.9 |
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| 11:46.07 | EugenMayer | themill: so i guess using --list and the using --set ? |
| 11:46.39 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: backups under /etc/lvm/backup might store the correct offsets if you end up having to regenerate everything |
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| 11:47.47 | themill | EugenMayer: I don't know what it is that you're wanting to achieve here, but that's the tool that you should use to set a consistent set of java alternatives. |
| 11:47.55 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: heh the backup for the raid lvm volume states md127 |
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| 11:49.25 | EugenMayer | themill: wr|: FYI: |
| 11:49.25 | EugenMayer | jre=`update-alternatives --list java | grep sun` |
| 11:49.25 | EugenMayer | update-alternatives --set java $jre |
| 11:49.51 | wr| | are you sure you want to do that? |
| 11:50.04 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: since lvm starts the first LV at offset of 1MB or 4MB (not sure), and md metadata is quite small, it's likely your filesystem won't be affected |
| 11:50.07 | wr| | (in a installation script I mean) |
| 11:50.41 | wr| | it should be up to the user if they want sun java as their default or not. at least you could ask (e.g. using dialog/whiptail) |
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| 11:52.00 | EugenMayer | wr|: that is a custom package and a dedicated for a single application we deploy |
| 11:52.11 | EugenMayer | wr|: so the ENV its clear and it is not "end user" |
| 11:52.21 | wr| | ah, then it makes sense ;) |
| 11:52.27 | EugenMayer | wr|: in other cases, iam fully with out opinion it should be the users-choice |
| 11:52.42 | EugenMayer | s/out/your |
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| 11:53.16 | kuhkatz | i somehow destroyd my gtk-theme. it looks all like gtk-default now. the theme is still installed, but system-> preferences-> appearance says it cant be displayed correctly because something is missing. i tried reinstalling the theme, no difference. anyone has a clue? |
| 11:53.24 | ompaul | wr|: you have just asked that the install should add in non free software - do you think that debian would go for it? |
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| 11:54.10 | wr| | ompaul: nope. it's EugenMayer's requirement though. was just suggesting, that it doesn't do that without asking |
| 11:54.38 | EugenMayer | That package will never be hosted in debian repos |
| 11:54.54 | EugenMayer | and openoffice-headless does simple not work with the free java version :) |
| 11:55.01 | themill | EugenMayer: You should be using update-java-alternatives to fiddle with java alternatives; there's also no need to do so anyway. |
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| 11:55.19 | wathek | casts, hi how are you ? |
| 11:55.29 | EugenMayer | themill: is that just a wrapper? |
| 11:55.39 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: i recreated md2 using metadata=0.90 and now: /dev/md2: LVM2 (Linux Logical Volume Manager) , UUID: r2PRcsRJj34b21VVGTsZ7PXpFeUancL |
| 11:55.50 | EugenMayer | themill: looks like 100% the same interface |
| 11:56.04 | themill | *sigh* |
| 11:56.26 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: yay? does vgs show the vg now? |
| 11:56.27 | EugenMayer | whatever. Sorry for getting you upset. |
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| 11:57.12 | themill | EugenMayer: As I said earlier, update-java-alternatives sets all the different java alternatives so that you have a consistent set. |
| 11:57.14 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: pvs says something, but nothing in vgs |
| 11:57.30 | EugenMayer | themill: ah, i undestand. must missed that comment. Sorry |
| 11:57.31 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: oh, and put back that md_ option in lvm.conf the way it was by default |
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| 11:57.34 | casts | wathek: hi. i am good |
| 11:57.49 | EugenMayer | themill: corrected my script to use your suggestion. Thakns |
| 11:57.57 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: ok, am rebooting the machine now and see what happens |
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| 11:58.04 | samgnu | am on squeeze ... and trying to dim the display light... xbacklight does not work with the message "no outputs have baclight property" also when i tried gnome-power-manager and tried reducing the display brightness nothing happemns |
| 11:58.05 | wathek | casts, I succeeded to install debian wheezy on my Asus N53S |
| 11:58.15 | casts | wathek: nice work :) |
| 11:58.28 | themill | EugenMayer: in any case, it's not really necessary to frig with /usr/bin/java and that does make for a very fragile solution. |
| 11:58.39 | wathek | casts, I got just one question isn't it possible to use the NVidia card instead of the Intel ? |
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| 11:59.09 | jelly-home | wathek: does the machine have the switchable graphics feature? |
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| 11:59.23 | wathek | jelly-home, yes it's optimus b |
| 11:59.26 | EugenMayer | themill: so you rather would set JAVA_HOME for the specific app i guess |
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| 11:59.43 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: damn, the volume group is still missing |
| 11:59.57 | EugenMayer | themill: in my case, 99% of all apps must use suns jre, due to performance or even issue reasons. So i rather go the "change the default" way. But i see your point |
| 12:00.19 | themill | EugenMayer: no, you can pick the correct jre from a wrapper script. You'll find something like http://paste.debian.net/115457/ in java wrapper scripts in /usr/bin/ |
| 12:00.34 | themill | EugenMayer: just make sure that someone doesn't accidentally change the default back. |
| 12:00.36 | wathek | jelly-home, I got a NVidia GT 540M but I guess if it's possible to use only the NVidia and to disable the Intel ? |
| 12:00.39 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: doyou think the name of the array is relevant, it seems it was called md127 now it's called md2, but the uid is the same |
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| 12:01.16 | EugenMayer | themill: i see. Well its a closed-down, auto-controlled server anyway, so no other hands on. But i see your solution would be rather robust, as it would not depend on the defaults |
| 12:01.27 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: name of the device isn't important at all. you're likely going to have to restore it using vgcfgrestore. Might be a good idea to take one disk out of the array and mess with just one copy. |
| 12:01.34 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/xFCaeie8 |
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| 12:01.52 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: ok, i'll try |
| 12:02.04 | themill | EugenMayer: well.. it's robust until someone changes over to java-7-sun or something. But you'd presumably be testing that rather carefully :) |
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| 12:02.16 | EugenMayer | hehe |
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| 12:03.32 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: I guess that "Incorrect metadata area header checksum" means at least some of the lvm header was overwritten by md |
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| 12:04.01 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: did you wipe the md 1.2 metadata? |
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| 12:04.21 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: errr... nope |
| 12:04.22 | jelly-home | you don't want the kernel to recognize it on next reboot |
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| 12:06.00 | jelly-home | wathek: I don't know what's the state of hybrid graphics support in Debian. Perhaps there might be a way to disable the intel in BIOS |
| 12:06.37 | wathek | jelly-home, unfortunatly not I've already looked there |
| 12:06.38 | samgnu | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:07.15 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/NZK5UX2h - how do i wipe the 1.2 metadata? |
| 12:07.15 | jelly-home | wathek: http://linux-hybrid-graphics.blogspot.com/ |
| 12:07.39 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: man mdadm and hunt for --zero-superblock or similar |
| 12:07.48 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: ok thanks |
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| 12:09.10 | veleno | hello. is it possible to discover the ip address of a device knowing the mac address of the ethernet card ? |
| 12:09.35 | Digdilem | veleno, arpwatch might help |
| 12:10.24 | grandie | have debian with kde on two drives on same system one restarts with a grub menu the other will restart but does not give my a grub menu and starts the same drive, where do I need to start looking, thanks. |
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| 12:12.51 | jelly-home | veleno: if you know the network segment the device might be in, I guess you could arp request the whole segment |
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| 12:13.08 | jel | How do you get the path to a cached apt download programatically? I've used apt-cache show | grep Filename with basename etc. to extract the filename, and tacked on the apt archive path, but the actual filenames are escaped with percent signs. |
| 12:13.10 | veleno | jelly-home: yes, i know the segment infact |
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| 12:13.44 | jel | Or, does anyone know what the escaping algorithm/reason is? Filename looks like it doesn't need escaping (just alphanumeric and underscores), but ends up with percentages anyway. |
| 12:13.57 | becker_11 | Hi all, What software other than the gimp do you use to resize images? At present I've only got an image view installed on my system nothing for resizing |
| 12:14.23 | Riviera | I use netpbm. |
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| 12:15.26 | jelly-home | jel: versions with epochs seem to get their : escaped, if I'm reading you correctly |
| 12:15.28 | xand | becker_11: imagemagick convert |
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| 12:15.56 | becker_11 | Riviera: okay I've just found the home page for netpbm I should point out I'm a bit of a graphical newbie |
| 12:16.02 | Spow | Okay actually it doesn't work : I'm trying to update with apt-update but receive failures only : W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages Cannot initiate the connection to ftp.uk.debian.org:80 (2001:470:1f08:80b::2). - connect (101 Network is unreachable) [IP: 2001:470:1f08:80b::2 80] . I have tried deactivate/reactivating IPV6 and it should be OK since I have an ipv6 addr under ifconfig. |
| 12:16.18 | becker_11 | xand: Thankyou I always forget about imagemagick .... |
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| 12:17.28 | Riviera | becker_11: sure, but you wanted to know what people use :) |
| 12:17.51 | becker_11 | when I ran windows I used to just use paint for resizing |
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| 12:18.10 | becker_11 | Riviera: fair point I should have asked what I could use that wasn't too technical lol |
| 12:18.27 | Riviera | :) |
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| 12:18.53 | jel | jelly-home, I think you are, yes. So I basically need to ignore the apt-cache show Filename: line and build the filename from Package: + Version: (escaped) + Architecture? |
| 12:19.33 | Spow | ok I get it, I had to specify the proxy by exporting it |
| 12:19.40 | jelly-home | jel: what's your actual goal |
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| 12:20.04 | jel | jelly-home, simply to get the actual path to a cached package file |
| 12:20.10 | jelly-home | jel: why? |
| 12:20.38 | jelly-home | (I'm going to ask "Why" a couple more times til we get to the REAL goal) |
| 12:20.55 | jel | jel: you probably shouldn't ask :) But I'm writing a script to download packages and reset FS perms based on the dpkg -c output for the package file |
| 12:21.06 | Spow | simonlnu: you might be intrested to know that it was actually just a proxy problem |
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| 12:21.30 | jelly-home | jel: and presumably you don't have apt available at that moment |
| 12:22.22 | jel | No, apt is available. |
| 12:22.38 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: damn, all doesnt halp... restoting the lvm config fails, everything fails |
| 12:22.44 | jelly-home | jel: what's wrong with doing ls /var/cache/apt/archives/ and getting filenames from there! |
| 12:22.50 | g0rd0n | is there any way i can get the data on the lost lv? |
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| 12:23.26 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: have you at least put one copy aside and player with just one disk? |
| 12:23.26 | jel | jelly-home, well I could for now, but I'm trying to write it so it doesn't require all the packages to be cached at once. |
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| 12:23.43 | g0rd0n | jelly: yes |
| 12:24.00 | jel | jelly-home, which means mapping currently downloaded files to paths |
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| 12:24.44 | jelly-home | jel: isn't /var/cache/apt/archives/foo_1_all.deb the path you're after? |
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| 12:25.01 | jelly-home | jel: are you looking for URLs on the mirror? |
| 12:25.33 | jel | jelly-home, yes, that's it, but some have escapes, which doesn't match what apt-cache show tells me the filename is. Hence the question. I think I'll go with combining apt-cache show fields to build the filename, should work. Thanks for the help :) |
| 12:25.43 | frikinz | I have a png from munin that gets updated every 2s. What viewer can I use that detect modification on the png and redraws the file every time its changed? |
| 12:26.04 | jel | jelly-home, escapes and epochs, which aren't shown in the apt-cache show filename, that is. |
| 12:26.26 | jel | Anyone know if that's a bug, by the way? |
| 12:26.46 | ansgar | frikinz: I think okular does detect changes and reload the file. |
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| 12:27.18 | jel | ansgar, frikinz: yes, it does. Or at least, it can. |
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| 12:27.39 | jelly-home | jel: move the cached file(s) away, and do apt-get --print-uris install packagename instead |
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| 12:29.12 | jelly-home | jel: output includes: 'http://debian.iskon.hr/debian/pool/main/m/meta-kde/kde_66_all.deb' kde_5%3a66_i386.deb 9792 MD5Sum:3f8acbd46d3a285bf5eff48dae56f3fb |
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| 12:30.48 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: hm. how exactly does the vgcfgrestore fail? You might be better asking in #lvm channel, too |
| 12:31.03 | frikinz | jel & ansgar : perfect, thanks |
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| 12:31.16 | Bushmills | frikinz: display (from imagemagick) has an -update option for change detection |
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| 12:31.42 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: i think i am going for plan b now, that is restoring the vm on anonther server and postponing the data recovery to later, this is taking up too mugh time |
| 12:32.02 | jel | back to scripting :) Bye all. |
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| 12:34.12 | frikinz | Bushmills: Ah I was using display. Now tried display -update 2, it's nicer than okular. Thank you |
| 12:35.34 | Bushmills | frikinz: i happen to use that with munin too |
| 12:38.22 | frikinz | Bushmills: did you try munin 2.0 ? It's still alpha but has nice features (zoom, performance improve,..) http://p.quinput.eu/munin/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/index.html |
| 12:39.12 | pistolpete | in rc6.d there is a k11live-boot and a k12reboot, is the k11live-boot the reason my system just reboots without going out to a grub menu? |
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| 12:39.30 | Bushmills | frikinz: not yet. i'm still on 1.4.5 |
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| 12:40.49 | Janni | Hello. |
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| 12:41.36 | Janni | I'm moving. |
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| 12:42.07 | Janni | I'm currently installing Debian to this SSD I just bought, using debootstrap. |
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| 12:43.12 | Janni | Of course I could just rsync my old harddisk to the new one, but I don't want to do this... first of all because I want a fresh start, secondly, because I think I'd like to downgrade to stable. |
| 12:43.31 | Janni | Now here's my question: |
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| 12:44.05 | Janni | Can I somehow display all changes in the configuration files in /etc with respect to the ones that are supplied by default? |
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| 12:44.27 | Janni | I guess that should work somehow, because I get to see those diffs when upgrading packages. |
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| 12:45.23 | adv_ | how can i get avidemux? there's a pkg on debian-multimedia but it wants to change the universe |
| 12:45.26 | frikinz | Janni: there are several methods. One is debsums -ce |
| 12:45.37 | adv_ | add/remove a lot of pkgs/dependencies |
| 12:46.07 | pistolpete | what purpose is the live-boot in rc6.d/ |
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| 12:46.30 | Janni | frikinz: Thanks. *reading* |
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| 12:51.57 | slooth | Hello, whats happening with debian servers? |
| 12:52.37 | slooth | I'm getting problems on all servers using apt-get, but I just checked using netcat -- they work. What could be the problem? |
| 12:53.05 | Oldskool | slooth: most likely you have ipv6 enabled, but no proper ipv6 address configured |
| 12:53.32 | Oldskool | then it will try to connect the servers by ipv6, but fail |
| 12:53.36 | slooth | Oldskool, thanks for the input, will check stuff now |
| 12:53.40 | slooth | sounds plausible, yes |
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| 12:54.22 | Janni | frikinz: Hmm. I don't think that debsums helps much, as it doesn't show me the actual diffs (changes within the files). |
| 12:54.34 | Janni | frikinz: Do have something else in store for me? |
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| 13:01.32 | dmsuperman | What's the easiest way to tell apt to pull a package not from a specific repo? |
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| 13:01.47 | dmsuperman | ie ignore packge-name in repo-name |
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| 13:03.26 | DammitJim | silly question... what is the best software I can use in debian to edit powerpoint presentations created in Office 2007? |
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| 13:05.03 | thewanderer1 | DammitJim: there is only OpenOffice.org Impress, it seems |
| 13:05.10 | joltcan | DammitJim: They all suck, but openoffice/libreoffice is probably the ones that could do it |
| 13:05.48 | joltcan | DammitJim: I think the Kde office suite has some support as well, but I have not used it myself |
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| 13:05.58 | DammitJim | man, this is the only thing that keeps me from getting rid of Microsoft stuff... I've tried both and when I send documents to the rest of the team, everything is all diquabulated (is that even a word?) |
| 13:06.06 | frikinz | Janni: Well, the package gets downloaded, installed, and then only the md5 are not touched so you only know it changed, not what changed. You can still have the original package in cache then fine. So no idea with the default tool. Maybe a special tool exist for this. |
| 13:06.22 | thewanderer1 | DammitJim: so save it in the older (.ppt) format |
| 13:06.33 | DammitJim | I guess my "want" is rooted in sand because I can't rid of something that is made with IT |
| 13:06.38 | thewanderer1 | or make everyone use LibreOffice instead - it's free software |
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| 13:06.58 | DammitJim | thewanderer1, I've done that... everything gets moved around... I think even Office for Mac has the same problems |
| 13:07.16 | DammitJim | maybe I need to give wine a shot... *sigh* |
| 13:07.38 | thewanderer1 | at our school, every computer has Microsoft Office and OpenOffice... try it! :P |
| 13:08.00 | DammitJim | thewanderer1, is that on Debian machines? |
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| 13:08.15 | DammitJim | I guess I'm alright just using VirtualBox for that sole purpose |
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| 13:08.37 | thewanderer1 | Windows and Gentoo machines, but Windows has OpenOffice too |
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| 13:09.08 | DammitJim | this is probably off topic... sorry for my bitching |
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| 13:10.37 | Janni | I guess most of you here are familiar with the bug in aptitude, that if you type ~ into the search field you get a "Ouch Got SIGABRT, dying". Now, I just switched to Debian stable hoping that the versions packaged there would not have these kind of bugs, yet I get the same there. :-| |
| 13:11.07 | Janni | Any comments? Am I doing something wrong? Are these expectations unjustified? |
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| 13:11.27 | DammitJim | stupid question... what is ~ for? |
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| 13:11.40 | Janni | All kind of search patters start with ~ |
| 13:11.48 | Janni | Such as ~i filters for installed packages. |
| 13:12.03 | DammitJim | oh, I thought it was - and not ~ |
| 13:12.07 | Janni | ~c for deinstalled (but not purged), etc. etc. |
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| 13:12.33 | DammitJim | give me an example so I can run it |
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| 13:12.44 | DammitJim | then I'll learn something new |
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| 13:13.02 | justin_ | Janni: 'aptitude search ~c' ? |
| 13:13.10 | Janni | in aptitude type "/", then enter "~i" and press "n" for next match. |
| 13:13.19 | Janni | justin: I'm takling about the ncurses interface. |
| 13:13.29 | justin_ | shrugs |
| 13:13.30 | lapsusbrutus | DammitJim: ditch MS and make everybody use LibreOffice. I hate hate hate MS for creating this document standard mess just to sell more products.. I really hope they are digging its own grave here |
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| 13:14.16 | DammitJim | lapsusbrutus, thanks for the encouragement... but I don't see that happening at my work... |
| 13:14.18 | jelly-home | wathek: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/Optimus # fresh new documentation, right off the nouveau developers' desk! |
| 13:14.37 | wathek | jelly-home, I'm gonna take a look at it thank you so much |
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| 13:15.34 | lapsusbrutus | DammitJim: http://documentfreedom.org/2011/ :P |
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| 13:17.37 | DammitJim | Janni, did you mean 'aptitude -v moo' ? |
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| 13:18.03 | jelly-home | !moo |
| 13:18.03 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 13:18.39 | Janni | DammitJim: Of course. That's exactly what I meant. Thanks! |
| 13:18.46 | DammitJim | LOL |
| 13:18.55 | DammitJim | keep adding v's |
| 13:18.58 | Janni | OK, problem solved... |
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| 13:19.24 | Janni | I read the bugs reports again. Turns out this bug only has effect when apt-xapian-index is not installed. |
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| 13:22.35 | DammitJim | should I start using aptitude instead of apt-get? |
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| 13:25.04 | casts | i switched a long time ago when the release notes said to, though apt-get has improved a lot since then, so...maybe, it's up to you man. |
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| 13:30.34 | marijus | anyone tried to view dvb-t in unstable? |
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| 13:33.43 | Garda_ | does anyone know who runs ftp.au.debian.org? |
| 13:33.51 | Janni | I'd like to repeat my question from earlier: Can I somehow display the diffs of all the configuration files in /etc with respect to the original supplied by the packages? |
| 13:33.59 | Janni | Garda: The Austrians do. |
| 13:34.04 | Janni | SCNR |
| 13:34.28 | marijus | Janni: lol |
| 13:34.38 | Bushmills | Janni, at=austria |
| 13:34.53 | dvs | oi |
| 13:34.57 | SPF | Janni: extract the .deb and take the default configuration from there |
| 13:35.01 | Janni | yeah, I already suspected I mixed that up. |
| 13:35.13 | Garda_ | janni, my heart just broke :'( |
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| 13:36.29 | marijus | scan doesnt find any dvb-t channels :( |
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| 13:36.45 | Janni | â¢jöin #tëÃt |
| 13:36.46 | Janni | äöëü |
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| 13:37.16 | Janni | Sorry. Meta-key was stuck :-) |
| 13:38.03 | Janni | Garda: It's not that bad, I only mixed up the TLDs. I _do_ know the continent. |
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| 13:40.03 | e-anima | could it be that the last stable git is only 1.5.6.5? |
| 13:40.16 | cheater | hi guys, i have had major data corruption on my linux disk, is there a way to check all files against packages? |
| 13:40.32 | Janni | cheater: debsums |
| 13:40.40 | cheater | debsums.. let me look that up thanks |
| 13:40.47 | Janni | (package name) |
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| 13:45.00 | TASAIRES | Hola a todos!! Hi to All! |
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| 13:46.32 | smccloud|work | hi, i have a question about the debian live images |
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| 13:47.26 | cheater | Janni: thanks, debsums looks like what i might be looking for |
| 13:48.18 | smccloud|work | do the live images include flash or gnash? |
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| 13:48.54 | abrotman | i'd guess gnash if anything at all |
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| 13:49.34 | smccloud|work | ok. i want to use the pxe boot one for my guest computer so i don't have to keep said machine updated |
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| 13:50.16 | xyan | is there any other place to specify the default cpufreq governor besides the kernel config? |
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| 14:05.37 | erAbuelo | buenas |
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| 14:07.27 | ascendantadept | grrr. Why won't exim4 listen to outside hosts on port 25? It's not a firewall problem. I'm a noob at reading netstat, but I'm pretty sure that tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN is a clue to what's wrong |
| 14:08.17 | justin_ | ascendantadept: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 14:08.53 | ascendantadept | OH. |
| 14:09.31 | ascendantadept | thanks, justin_... I ran that like 3 times and didn't read the whole paragraph about listening on 127.0.0.1 |
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| 14:09.55 | ascendantadept | so do I want to put my external IP address there, or a wildcard, or maybe 0.0.0.0? |
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| 14:11.38 | justin_ | ascendantadept: what are you trying to do? |
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| 14:12.42 | ascendantadept | Accept mail addressed to local users. |
| 14:13.22 | ascendantadept | it's set up with maildir, dovecot and squirrelmail, and it all works except for not accepting on 25 |
| 14:13.56 | justin_ | ascendantadept: when you configured exim, and it asked you what type of mail server you wanted, what did you pick? |
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| 14:14.30 | ascendantadept | I selected 'internet site' |
| 14:14.45 | ascendantadept | Aha! Setting it to listen on 0.0.0.0 worked! |
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| 14:15.23 | ascendantadept | my problem was explained on the config script; it clearly says that if it's listening on 127.0.0.1 it won't accept mail from the outside |
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| 14:15.36 | ascendantadept | that's what I get for not reading everything |
| 14:16.08 | ascendantadept | it's totally my fault, kind of like it's my fault for not reading the fine print on my mortgage <.< |
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| 14:16.21 | ascendantadept | (who reads everything, seriously) |
| 14:16.39 | ascendantadept | Anyway, thanks. |
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| 14:17.18 | TASAIRES | Bye all! Adios a Todos! |
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| 14:17.49 | c0nsense | Hello! i'm try configure and make an project in C, but when i do the ./configure it's show: http://pastebin.com/z3v2mG6D because mysql is required! but mysql are installed and running! i tested! create databases suing phpmyadmin.. but the ./configure file say it ;s |
| 14:18.15 | justin_ | c0nsense: you need the -dev packages |
| 14:18.29 | c0nsense | justin_: how do it!? |
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| 14:18.43 | justin_ | c0nsense: install them |
| 14:19.00 | c0nsense | justin_: mysql-dev? |
| 14:20.08 | c0nsense | ?? |
| 14:20.27 | justin_ | c0nsense: is that the mysql development package? |
| 14:20.53 | justin_ | c0nsense: /msg dpkg search |
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| 14:21.20 | public_morozov | somebody, who is install openldap with outlook native support (showing contacts after address book is opened)? |
| 14:21.33 | public_morozov | i mean virtual list view |
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| 14:25.51 | karlpinc | public_morozov: You might get better help from the openldap folks, or try here again later. |
| 14:26.11 | public_morozov | yeah.. |
| 14:26.15 | public_morozov | openldap sleeping.. |
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| 14:30.25 | samgnu | on squeeze here... on a dell lappy ... can't reduce the screen brightness using gnome-power-manager or xbacklight ... is this a bug or am i missing something? |
| 14:31.11 | karlpinc | c0nsense: You really should learn to search. libmysqlclient-dev |
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| 14:31.35 | allu2 | how easy would it be to install debian on tablet computer? |
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| 14:32.36 | karlpinc | allu2: Probably as easily as any other computer, depending on whether they do anything souper-secret with the bootloader. |
| 14:32.44 | karlpinc | !tell allu2 about ig |
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| 14:35.35 | Juan93 | Hello |
| 14:35.43 | Juan93 | I have compiled the newest Kernel (2.6.39-rc5) with make-kpkg and after that installed the generated debian package with dpkg..all was looking fine.. |
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| 14:35.57 | Juan93 | but after the reboot my system hangs on boot |
| 14:36.07 | Juan93 | udevd[49] worker [66] unexpectedky returned with stats 0x0100 |
| 14:36.18 | Juan93 | modprobe:80 blocked for more than 120 seconds.. |
| 14:36.30 | Juan93 | debian squeeze |
| 14:36.30 | karlpinc | Juan93: You kept the old kernel/grub entry I hope. |
| 14:36.39 | Juan93 | sure |
| 14:36.42 | Juan93 | old kernel working fine |
| 14:36.53 | karlpinc | Juan93: You started with the squeeze .config file? |
| 14:36.57 | Juan93 | yes |
| 14:37.06 | Juan93 | I have activated the staging drivers |
| 14:37.08 | abrotman | Juan93: does it boot with the Debian kernel ? |
| 14:37.11 | Juan93 | hv_vmbus |
| 14:37.21 | Juan93 | abrotman: yes it does |
| 14:37.28 | abrotman | Juan93: then fix your kernel .. not really our problem |
| 14:37.37 | abrotman | you screwed up .. boot the working kernel, try again |
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| 14:37.52 | allu2 | karlpinc: hum the tablet i'm wondering seems to have CPU WM8505 but i don't find it in list on the installation guide not i know what architecture it is, arm i suppose, this means its not supported by debian? |
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| 14:38.08 | Juan93 | abrotman: ok thanks for Your help |
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| 14:38.29 | Juan93 | maybe I need help form kernel.org |
| 14:38.29 | abrotman | Juan93: there are a million things you could have messed up .. |
| 14:38.29 | karlpinc | abrotman: So I know, it wouldn't be a problem where the newer kernel requires a newer udev? |
| 14:38.30 | bklive | Juan93, did you update firmware-linux-free/linux-base? |
| 14:38.45 | bklive | oh i see.. you're using from kernel.org |
| 14:38.55 | Juan93 | yes I tried also from experimental |
| 14:39.00 | Juan93 | same result.. |
| 14:39.26 | karlpinc | allu2: WM8505 sounds like a part number, not an arch. (Random guess, it's arm.) |
| 14:39.41 | Juan93 | I will ask kernel.org, maybe the staging driver module is corrupt.. |
| 14:39.55 | Juan93 | modprobe can't load it.. |
| 14:39.56 | abrotman | karlpinc: that's another question we may not know ... |
| 14:40.03 | abrotman | but really .. if he's compiling his own kernel, he should know |
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| 14:40.36 | AwesomezGuy | How do I fix the "1 not fully installed or removed" error? |
| 14:40.50 | Juan93 | abrotman: I have the same issue with kernel-source-2.6.39-rc4 from experimental repository |
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| 14:40.53 | bklive | apt-get install -f |
| 14:40.56 | AwesomezGuy | I did an apt-get upgrade, and now this keeps appearing when I go to install something |
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| 14:41.08 | karlpinc | allu2: The trouble with arm (IIRC, and I'm not an expert) is that the bootloader must setup stuff differently for every device. I don't know where the bootloader keeps such information but somehow you have to frob the bootloader's config enough to boot your kernel -- at minimum. (I always like to be able to set it up from scratch.) |
| 14:41.18 | bklive | AwesomezGuy, ^^ |
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| 14:41.30 | karlpinc | abrotman: Yes. |
| 14:41.33 | AwesomezGuy | bklive: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 14:41.54 | babilen | AwesomezGuy: Show us â http://paste.debian.net -- /msg dpkg bat |
| 14:42.00 | rabies | I'm trying to combine multiple disks that are all connected over a network into a single large virtual disk, anyone know of any way to do this? |
| 14:42.36 | AwesomezGuy | http://paste.debian.net/115475/ |
| 14:42.39 | justin_ | rabies: fo what? |
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| 14:42.41 | bklive | rabies, nfs + fuse + lvm |
| 14:42.44 | karlpinc | abrotman: Any thoughts vis my udev/autofs question on irc.debian.org? |
| 14:42.46 | foo | is there any way to easily log files being uploaded through sftp? |
| 14:42.54 | rabies | justin_, just need a lot of storage... |
| 14:42.59 | rabies | bklive would that work? |
| 14:43.05 | justin_ | rabies: no, it won't work |
| 14:43.10 | justin_ | rabies: storage for what? |
| 14:43.14 | bklive | rabies, no it was a joke |
| 14:43.18 | karlpinc | bklive: Why fuse too? |
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| 14:43.26 | rabies | its going to be a scratch storage array for a cluster |
| 14:43.37 | bklive | karlpinc, read prior. |
| 14:43.43 | AwesomezGuy | babilen: ^^ |
| 14:43.45 | justin_ | rabies: glusterfs? |
| 14:44.10 | karlpinc | rabies: You probably want some sort of cluster fs. (gfs?) |
| 14:44.29 | rabies | oo, neat |
| 14:44.29 | AwesomezGuy | Guys, a little help please http://paste.debian.net/115475/ |
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| 14:44.56 | user01 | can anyone help me help out a LUG member to get his bluetooth printer working in debian (hp deskjet 460)? I can pastebin what he has done so far from instructions i found on wikis :) |
| 14:45.06 | allu2 | karlpinc: " Alexey Charkov to make a WM8505 Linux kernel that is good enough to be in the official kernel tree." found this on one site, i guess it is supported? |
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| 14:45.19 | rabies | so would glusterfs be able to combine the storage from multiple comps into a single logical volume all my cluster comps can access? |
| 14:45.51 | babilen | AwesomezGuy: Please show me the following: "cat /boot/grub/device.map ; grub-mkdevicemap ; cat /boot/grub/device.map ; aptitude -f install" |
| 14:46.07 | user01 | i dont use bluetooth for anything |
| 14:46.31 | karlpinc | allu2: Just because there's kernel support does not mean that debian supports it. It must be one of debian's supported archs. |
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| 14:47.12 | AwesomezGuy | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/115476/ |
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| 14:47.28 | allu2 | karlpinc: uh i wonder what architecture it really is.. |
| 14:47.45 | rabies | karlpinc, justin_: thanks guys |
| 14:47.45 | karlpinc | allu2: arm |
| 14:48.14 | karlpinc | allu2: So, the problem will be with the bootloader. |
| 14:48.15 | allu2 | karlpinc: hum but there are list of supported arm's so.. :S |
| 14:48.20 | allu2 | ah ok |
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| 14:48.57 | karlpinc | !arm |
| 14:48.57 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at Debian 5.0 with official support dropped at Debian 6.0, ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:49.16 | karlpinc | allu2: You want the arm channel. |
| 14:49.36 | user01 | here is my pastebin: http://paste.debian.net/115477/ |
| 14:49.40 | cheater | !armel |
| 14:49.41 | dpkg | armel is the Debian <ARM> EABI port, first released with <lenny>. http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:49.44 | babilen | AwesomezGuy: Hmm, should have done that in multiple commands. Could you do the same, but run each command seperately. You also shouldn't run "aptitude -f install" this time ... Sorry :) |
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| 14:49.53 | AwesomezGuy | babilen: k |
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| 14:51.02 | AwesomezGuy | babilen: All 3 commands returned nothing o.O |
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| 14:52.09 | user01 | if anyone has any idea of what i can advise him to try next after reading my pastebin, let me know! |
| 14:52.33 | babilen | AwesomezGuy: Could you run "grub-mkdevicemap -v" :) |
| 14:52.55 | AwesomezGuy | Still no output :( |
| 14:53.37 | AwesomezGuy | I only got this VPS 5 minutes ago and it's already acting up :P |
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| 14:58.18 | babilen | AwesomezGuy: Ok, could you create the /boot/grub/device.map with the following content: "(hd0) /dev/sda" and run " grub-probe --target=drive --device /dev/sda1" what do you get? |
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| 14:58.40 | AwesomezGuy | babilen: Give us one sec, I'm just rebuilding it to see if that fixes it |
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| 14:59.37 | babilen | sure |
| 14:59.57 | babilen | Those commands are for gathering information only anyway .. |
| 15:00.00 | AwesomezGuy | You never know with these VPS companies, they put GNOME on my first VPS lol |
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| 15:01.05 | walterheck | hello, I inadvertently upgraded an etch server to a lenny without realising it had Broadcom nics in it(not supported in Lenny). Now the server boots, but obviously no network. Remote hands are ont he way. Teh only thing they need to do is download http://packages.debian.org/lenny/firmware-bnx2 on a pendrive, copy it onto the server and install it followed by a reboot, right? |
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| 15:02.27 | babilen | walterheck: Probably |
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| 15:02.52 | karlpinc | walterheck: You'll want to read the lenny release notes to see if it says to do anything else. |
| 15:03.32 | justin_ | walterheck: I wouldn't call needing to install nonfree firmware 'not supported' |
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| 15:05.52 | nemad | hi |
| 15:05.56 | babilen | welcome |
| 15:06.32 | allu2 | karlpinc: How well debinan supports touch screen? |
| 15:06.45 | fenugreek | allu2: as well as all other Linux distros, which is pretty well |
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| 15:06.52 | allu2 | ah nice :) |
| 15:06.59 | nemad | i'm looking for where are streaming videos in squeeze, I didn't foun it in /tmp/ |
| 15:07.07 | karlpinc | allu2: Dunno. Better ask the channel. I'm sure it ultimiatly depends on the hardware. |
| 15:07.10 | allu2 | thinking of buying ftp://ftp.a-link.com/pad2/ and possibly installing debian on it |
| 15:07.22 | fenugreek | allu2: if you have a really new or obscure device you might have to install or compile a driver yourself, that's about the maximum |
| 15:07.51 | fenugreek | allu2: you should know, Android is a Linux distro |
| 15:08.01 | fenugreek | albeit an odd one |
| 15:08.08 | allu2 | yeah but i like debian more :P |
| 15:08.18 | fenugreek | as you should =P |
| 15:08.26 | fenugreek | the point is if there's a driver for Android... |
| 15:08.30 | walterheck | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/firmware-bnx2 |
| 15:08.30 | allu2 | and i'm not sure if every android device is compatible with debian distro |
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| 15:08.46 | fenugreek | allu2: probably not, but it'd be pretty odd, IMO |
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| 15:09.06 | nemad | i looked for youtube-dl but it isn't on squeeze |
| 15:09.09 | nemad | http://packages.debian.org/sid/youtube-dl |
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| 15:09.22 | allu2 | fenugreek: driver for android?, you mean android specific or ? |
| 15:09.23 | fenugreek | touch devices aren't really all that complicated, and most systems use only a handful of types |
| 15:09.31 | fenugreek | nemad: isn't it just a script? |
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| 15:09.53 | fenugreek | allu2: I mean the chances that the driver Android is using is not also available for ordinary Linux distros is slim, IMO |
| 15:09.54 | allu2 | youtube-dl used to be in testing, considering i downloaded it from repos not long ago |
| 15:10.11 | fenugreek | allu2: more likely it's a driver originated in ordinary Linux land and exploited by Android |
| 15:10.22 | allu2 | fenugreek: ok :) |
| 15:10.35 | ayambit | i'm trying to scp file from one host to another and get debug1: Sending command: scp -v -r -f -- /home/aya/vim.bak |
| 15:10.36 | ayambit | Sink: not test |
| 15:10.38 | ayambit | not test |
| 15:10.44 | nemad | allu2, on which repos ? |
| 15:10.45 | ayambit | And that's all. |
| 15:10.50 | ayambit | Why? |
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| 15:11.00 | allu2 | fenugreek: last guestion, could debian + fluxbox/xfce4 lighter then android 1.6? |
| 15:11.04 | allu2 | question* |
| 15:11.08 | fenugreek | nemad: think it's just a python script |
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| 15:11.34 | allu2 | nemad: testing repos |
| 15:11.35 | fenugreek | allu2: probably |
| 15:11.42 | fenugreek | allu2: it'd certainly be less awkward |
| 15:11.43 | nemad | i'll try |
| 15:11.58 | nemad | fenugreek, i don't know how to deal with python script :) |
| 15:12.00 | allu2 | fenugreek: sounds perfect |
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| 15:12.16 | fenugreek | nemad: python nameofscript, or ./nameofscript, like every other script, AFAIK |
| 15:12.25 | miguel000 | miguel@quad:~$ date -d "May 10 22:16 CET 2010" +%s |
| 15:12.25 | miguel000 | date: invalid date `May 10 22:16 CET 2010' |
| 15:12.31 | miguel000 | what am i doing wrong? |
| 15:12.32 | fenugreek | you either call it via an interpreter (bash foo.sh) or the script says what to use, and you just call it normally |
| 15:12.38 | miguel000 | it works fine for OTHER months |
| 15:12.43 | miguel000 | Dec, Jan, Feb,.. |
| 15:12.43 | fenugreek | you can probably even just cp into /usr/local/bin/ |
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| 15:12.56 | fenugreek | also, checkout clive.sf.net |
| 15:13.05 | ayambit | doesn't matter for today, i'm going home |
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| 15:13.25 | ayambit | have nice weekend, anyone |
| 15:13.26 | allu2 | nemad: from the testing repos http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/pool/main/y/youtube-dl/youtube-dl_2011.02.25b-1_all.deb |
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| 15:14.04 | allu2 | nemad: dpkg -i youtube-dl... and then to use youtube-dl [options] videourl |
| 15:14.10 | justin_ | miguel000: works for me |
| 15:14.31 | miguel000 | but not for me |
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| 15:14.42 | fenugreek | you could try using clive instead of youtube-dl |
| 15:14.42 | miguel000 | how can i check what my locales abbrevition is |
| 15:14.46 | fenugreek | it's in stable, even, I think |
| 15:14.50 | miguel000 | maybe its not May |
| 15:14.58 | Bushmills | miguel000: try CEST |
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| 15:15.39 | miguel000 | CEST works! |
| 15:15.58 | miguel000 | ah |
| 15:15.58 | fenugreek | CEST LA VIE! |
| 15:16.14 | miguel000 | thx |
| 15:16.16 | allu2 | c'est la vie :) |
| 15:16.16 | nemad | ok thanks allu2 it works |
| 15:16.24 | fenugreek | MONDUE! |
| 15:16.32 | allu2 | nemad: de rien :) |
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| 15:16.56 | lord_rob | Hi ! After the last SID update my PC doesn't resolve DNS anymore (but internet still works as I can ping outside). Any idea why ? network-manager ? udev ? |
| 15:17.15 | cahoot | resolv.conf? |
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| 15:17.15 | lord_rob | (I'm on Windows right now) |
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| 15:17.39 | justin_ | lord_rob: how do you expect people to help you then? |
| 15:17.48 | walterheck | hello, I inadvertently upgraded an etch server to a lenny without realising it had Broadcom nics in it(not supported in Lenny). Now the server boots, but obviously no network. Remote hands are ont he way. Teh only thing they need to do is download http://packages.debian.org/lenny/firmware-bnx2 on a pendrive, copy it onto the server and install it followed by a reboot, right? |
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| 15:18.10 | lord_rob | cahoot: no resolv.conf is managed my network-manager. I tried to uninstall it and set resolv.conf manually, no luck ... |
| 15:18.33 | Captain_Haddock | walterheck: You've already been answered. |
| 15:18.55 | walterheck | Captain_Haddock: spotty connection, I dropped offline before then |
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| 15:19.10 | walterheck | Captain_Haddock: could you repeat pls? |
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| 15:19.41 | Captain_Haddock | walterheck: <karlpinc> walterheck: You'll want to read the lenny release notes to see if it says to do anything else. |
| 15:20.00 | Captain_Haddock | walterheck: <babilen> walterheck: Probably |
| 15:20.15 | Captain_Haddock | walterheck: <justin_> walterheck: I wouldn't call needing to install nonfree firmware 'not supported' |
| 15:20.30 | Captain_Haddock | walterheck: EOF :] |
| 15:20.37 | walterheck | Captain_Haddock: thanks a bunch :) |
| 15:21.05 | walterheck | justin_: bad choice of words, sorry. Non-native english and the server is a client's, so I'm not at my best ;) |
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| 15:24.02 | thunderrd | To change the machine name is it sufficient only to edit /etc/hostname, or are there other things I have to do? |
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| 15:24.23 | justin_ | walterheck: well, I have a bunch of dell machines with broadcom cards, and they work just fine with firmware-bnx2 installed |
| 15:24.30 | user01 | eh, my browser crashed :P, is there anyway to see if anyone responded to my question on bluetooth? |
| 15:24.32 | karlpinc | thunderrd: On debian you may also want to change /etc/mailname. Otherwise nothing. |
| 15:24.37 | jhutchins_lt | thunderrd: You'll need to either issue the hostname command to update the current name or reboot to initialize everything that uses it. |
| 15:25.23 | user01 | i can pastebin again if needed |
| 15:25.27 | thunderrd | karlpinc, jhutchins_lt , roger that and ty |
| 15:25.39 | karlpinc | thunderrd: Depending there could be entries in /etc/hosts. |
| 15:26.09 | thunderrd | karlpinc, yes that is prolly true. I'll check that as well |
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| 15:26.45 | Blues-Man | hi guys |
| 15:26.54 | boudiccas | an dgals |
| 15:26.54 | Blues-Man | i would use a suitable splash system for debian |
| 15:26.58 | karlpinc | thunderrd: And if course if you put the name into anything explictly, e.g. an apache virtual host, you'd need to change those too. |
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| 15:27.10 | Blues-Man | splashy or usplash? i'm using wheezy |
| 15:27.16 | nemad | thx allu2 =) |
| 15:27.16 | xand | boudiccas: "guys" can be gender-neutral. |
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| 15:27.47 | karlpinc | Blues-Man: plymouth? |
| 15:28.01 | karlpinc | !tell Blues-Man about plymouth |
| 15:28.19 | Blues-Man | yes didn't know about it! |
| 15:28.26 | Blues-Man | i'm reading the wifi |
| 15:28.28 | Blues-Man | wiki |
| 15:28.29 | Blues-Man | thanks |
| 15:28.38 | karlpinc | Blues-Man: You didn't read the squeeze release notes then, did you? :-) |
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| 15:28.58 | Blues-Man | ahah karlpinc no.. :) |
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| 15:29.27 | smccloud|work | is it possible to customize a squeeze live image thats served over pxe? |
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| 15:30.41 | karlpinc | smccloud|work: Yes. I don't know if livehelper supports that or not. |
| 15:30.55 | user01 | so im trying to help a guy new to debian in my lug to setup a bluetooth connection to his deskjet 460 printer, any suggstions? pastebin of the troubleshooting steps i gave him and his responses are here: http://paste.debian.net/115481/ |
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| 15:31.42 | boudiccas | how can i edit /etc/sudoers and add myself to it please? this is what i get when i try........... root@london:/home/boztu# kate /etc/sudoers No protocol specified kate: cannot connect to X server :0.0 |
| 15:31.55 | karlpinc | smccloud|work: The traditional approach is to use a regular filesystem and nfs. |
| 15:32.04 | smccloud|work | karlpinc, what i want to do is use a customized live image our guest computer gets so that it has flash support (for youtube videos) and maps certain directories in the home folder to my home server. basically, only one person uses the machine |
| 15:32.08 | cahoot | boudiccas: use visudo |
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| 15:33.52 | justin_ | smccloud|work: sounds like you want live-build |
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| 15:34.11 | smccloud|work | justin_, i'd make that off a currently running pc? |
| 15:34.18 | karlpinc | smccloud|work: The trouble with a pxebooted live image is that it'd have to fit in ram. NFS could be a better choice. rtfm thin client. |
| 15:34.21 | fenugreek | karlpinc: you're root in... konsole? |
| 15:34.22 | justin_ | smccloud|work: it makes a live image from scratch |
| 15:34.41 | fenugreek | smccloud|work: it makes a live image from scratch, or else it gets the hose again |
| 15:34.44 | karlpinc | fenugreek: ? No. |
| 15:34.50 | fenugreek | karlpinc: are you in X? |
| 15:35.02 | karlpinc | fenugreek: Why do you ask? |
| 15:35.12 | fenugreek | karlpinc: because I got you confused with boudiccas |
| 15:35.14 | fenugreek | duh? =P |
| 15:35.22 | fenugreek | boudiccas: you're root in konsole? |
| 15:35.29 | smccloud|work | karlpinc: if i had a small hd i could use for a thin client that'd work great. but I have booted the current live image i have on the machine in question and it works fine. all it will be used for is youtube videos and some openoffice word processing |
| 15:35.43 | boudiccas | fenugreek, yes |
| 15:36.01 | fenugreek | boudiccas: in konsole in KDE |
| 15:36.03 | karlpinc | smccloud|work: You can have a thin client with no disk at all. Your choice. |
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| 15:36.08 | boudiccas | fenugreek, yes |
| 15:36.29 | smccloud|work | thats how i'm seeing it? it would just do all its booting over pxe |
| 15:36.30 | fenugreek | boudiccas: weird, try another editor |
| 15:36.59 | karlpinc | smccloud|work: Yes. And then you don't need a server serving disk because everything winds up on the client. |
| 15:37.01 | boudiccas | fenugreek, but i'm having problems saving it, it doesn't like me trying to overwrite it |
| 15:37.29 | smccloud|work | well, the user will store his documents on my server (setup as a samba share right now) |
| 15:37.30 | karlpinc | smccloud|work: So livehelper et-al. There's a package. |
| 15:37.49 | smccloud|work | ok, i will look into it at home tonight |
| 15:38.26 | fenugreek | boudiccas: you could do as cahoot suggested |
| 15:38.36 | karlpinc | smccloud|work: Then it does not matter, although use use hardware resources better with nfs. Samba might be a choice as well, dunno, but I bet nfs is better. See also the ltsp.org people. They really know their thin clients. |
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| 15:38.53 | karlpinc | smccloud|work: (And there might be a debian thin-client sub-project.) |
| 15:39.07 | boudiccas | fenugreek, i am using visudo, but am having problems saving it |
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| 15:39.18 | cahoot | as root? |
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| 15:39.23 | boudiccas | cahoot, yes |
| 15:39.24 | smccloud|work | karlpinc, i'd worry more but we are talking about a total of 2 shares that need to be mounted on the machine |
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| 15:39.39 | karlpinc | smccloud|work: It's not that. It's the whole live image on the client. |
| 15:39.47 | smccloud|work | that is shared over NFS already |
| 15:39.50 | cahoot | boudiccas: visudo checks your syntax |
| 15:39.57 | karlpinc | smccloud|work: That's a waste, and in ram too. |
| 15:40.28 | karlpinc | smccloud|work: Then you may as well not have a live image but a real install and just pxeboot that and share /root over nfs. |
| 15:40.28 | smccloud|work | server is running fedora, so thats why i'm doing it this way |
| 15:41.40 | justin_ | karlpinc: debian live netboot stuff does not waste ram |
| 15:41.49 | justin_ | it uses read only nfs shares |
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| 15:42.19 | smccloud|work | if i setup the client pc the way i want it, and then make a liveimage of it that should work for what i want, right? |
| 15:42.19 | karlpinc | justin_: Ok. |
| 15:42.19 | justin_ | smccloud|work: http://live.debian.net/manual/en/html/the-basics.html#230 |
| 15:42.29 | justin_ | smccloud|work: no, the live scripts don't work that way |
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| 15:43.01 | smccloud|work | justin_: i meant it will create an image i can then have the computer pull down when it boots |
| 15:43.19 | justin_ | smccloud|work: you don't make a live image of a current system |
| 15:43.29 | smccloud|work | ah, ok |
| 15:43.33 | karlpinc | smccloud|work: But a real thin client does. It seems the difference is read-only v.s. read-write. (Although the live system can be modified too persistance between boots works differently. I forget the details.) |
| 15:43.35 | smccloud|work | thats where i was wrong |
| 15:44.14 | justin_ | smccloud|work: http://live.debian.net/manual/en/html/customizing-contents.html#customizing-contents |
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| 15:45.34 | smccloud|work | ok, just so i have this straight, i can either customize a live image for the machine or i can copy my current one and make it work as a terminal server image? |
| 15:45.50 | justin_ | smccloud|work: don't copy your current image |
| 15:46.02 | pzn | what package in debian can I use to "edit" PDFs? I need to offset many PDFs by 10mm to the right... |
| 15:46.04 | justin_ | smccloud|work: read the live documentation and create a custom image, it's better that way |
| 15:46.15 | smccloud|work | ok |
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| 15:47.17 | user01 | mmm ill take the silence as a "no" that no one knows how to configure a bluetooth printer :) |
| 15:47.22 | fenugreek | pzn: that's all you need to do? |
| 15:47.29 | fenugreek | pzn: seems like an odd thing to have to do =P |
| 15:47.29 | LordDeath | I have a broadcom b43 wlan chipset in my laptop and I want to install debian |
| 15:47.37 | LordDeath | should I use this iso? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/6.0.1a/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 15:48.32 | smccloud|work | justin_: if i' |
| 15:48.52 | smccloud|work | m reading this right i can install gnash & set shares for the live image fairly easily. is that right? |
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| 15:49.12 | pzn | fenugreek, there is a proprietary program that prints some payment tickets here... but it is generating the PDFs too near to printer margin. due to some bug in PDF, the evince option "centralize and shrink to fit page" does not work... so if I print the document does not show its left part by about 5mm. |
| 15:49.35 | fenugreek | pzn: ah... I'd just fix the evince bug |
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| 15:49.57 | fenugreek | pzn: you think it's the PDF files and not evince? |
| 15:50.14 | justin_ | smccloud|work: http://live.debian.net/manual/en/html/customizing-package-installation.html#customizing-package-installation |
| 15:50.21 | pzn | fenugreek, I suppose the PDF generated is somewhat corrupted, because other files go well on evince |
| 15:50.27 | fenugreek | pzn: ah... |
| 15:50.42 | fenugreek | pzn: in that case, you could probably just batch remake them all with gs, and likely make them uncorrupted |
| 15:50.46 | pzn | fenugreek, will try pdf->ps->pdf and evince... |
| 15:50.58 | fenugreek | yes, I bet gs will fix them up |
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| 15:51.20 | fenugreek | I had an inexplicably 200MB PDF once, which gs made into normal sized =) |
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| 15:51.33 | kornerr | hi |
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| 15:51.47 | fenugreek | pzn: if that doesn't work give a yell I can suggest some manipulation apps |
| 15:51.54 | kornerr | i've installed debain 6 and there's no network applet. tell me please to run network manager |
| 15:52.01 | kornerr | i can't find it in /etc/init.d |
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| 15:52.44 | smccloud|work | justin_: thanks. i think i got i've figured out the basics of what i need to do when i get home |
| 15:52.59 | smccloud|work | means i can take the 500gb drive from that machine and put it in my server :) |
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| 15:59.17 | ppalmes__ | Msg dpkg help |
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| 15:59.46 | pzn | fenugreek, now worked. |
| 16:00.06 | fenugreek | pzn: cool |
| 16:00.11 | fenugreek | pzn: telll those bozos to use better software |
| 16:00.37 | bst_ | ppalmes__: use /msg dpkg help |
| 16:00.42 | milosn | hmmm is tarsnap not packaged for debian? |
| 16:01.00 | jelly-home | ,info tarsnap |
| 16:01.01 | judd | No record of package 'tarsnap' in squeeze/i386. |
| 16:01.10 | milosn | ive just added nonfree and contrib to my sources list |
| 16:01.17 | milosn | yeah, cant find it either |
| 16:01.19 | jelly-home | ,versions tarsnap |
| 16:01.20 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'tarsnap' was found in i386. |
| 16:01.24 | milosn | thats weird |
| 16:01.26 | pzn | fenugreek, but anyway... since the original document is not centered, now I can print everything and it does not miss the left border. but how to offset the page more to the right when I'm rebuilding pdf->ps->pdf |
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| 16:01.38 | jelly-home | milosn: you can also search at packages.debian.org |
| 16:01.44 | milosn | did that as well |
| 16:01.58 | trembul | anyone know much about acpi / powersaving? |
| 16:02.08 | ascendantadept | Hmm.. I don't think the exim4 conf.d files are working the way this documentation says they should. When I make changes to the files in the tree under /etc/conf.d/, my changes don't get merged into /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated. When I edit /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template, however, everything works fine. What am I missing? |
| 16:02.12 | trembul | I think something is borked or missing on my system |
| 16:02.32 | smccloud|work | and then i can't ssh into my debian system to get my process started :( |
| 16:02.40 | jelly-home | milosn: but there's duplicity ;-) |
| 16:02.55 | fenugreek | pzn: not centered inside the PDF? rofl |
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| 16:02.59 | milosn | yes i am aware of duplicity, but its not the same ;) |
| 16:03.03 | fenugreek | pzn: there's an app pdfcrop.sf.net just for this |
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| 16:03.26 | fenugreek | pzn: you could probably do it with imagemagick or pdftk maybe or gs, too, with more effort |
| 16:04.01 | jelly-home | milosn: is tarsnap open source? |
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| 16:04.13 | milosn | as much as i know |
| 16:04.15 | milosn | yes |
| 16:04.15 | boudiccas | how do you save in visudo please? |
| 16:04.33 | fenugreek | jelly-home: as-is license |
| 16:04.40 | abrotman | boudiccas: which editor is it? |
| 16:04.53 | fenugreek | s/as-is/MIT/ |
| 16:04.56 | boudiccas | abrotman, bash running visudo |
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| 16:05.12 | abrotman | bash and visudo are not editors |
| 16:05.26 | jelly-home | fenugreek: http://www.tarsnap.com/legal.html doesn't sound DFSG compliant |
| 16:05.30 | boudiccas | abrotman, konsole under kde |
| 16:05.35 | jelly-home | "You may use the Tarsnap client code for the sole purpose of accessing the service." |
| 16:05.38 | abrotman | also not editors |
| 16:05.38 | deb|ws2k3 | hello guys i have debian x64 i have runner apt-get install munin but when i hit my browser myip/munin i get u dont have premissions to access /munin on this server. |
| 16:05.50 | abrotman | boudiccas: try hitting "esc" a few times. then hit ":wq: |
| 16:05.54 | abrotman | erm ":wq" |
| 16:05.58 | boudiccas | abrotman, well thast what i'm running and how i'm editing visudo |
| 16:05.58 | fenugreek | jelly-home: indeed not |
| 16:06.04 | jelly-home | fenugreek: restricting usage scenario makes stuff not DFSG compliant |
| 16:06.35 | abrotman | boudiccas: did that get you out of it? |
| 16:06.48 | jelly-home | milosn: so yeah, tarsnap client can't be in Debian, not even contrib, as far as I can tell |
| 16:06.50 | boudiccas | abrotman, no, still in it |
| 16:06.57 | milosn | hmmm sad |
| 16:07.01 | milosn | but oh well |
| 16:07.04 | fenugreek | pretty fat tarball for something that should be pretty simple |
| 16:07.04 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Doesn't visudo default to nano or pico? |
| 16:07.10 | z0mbyk1d | how do i restart inetd? |
| 16:07.11 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: god i hope not |
| 16:07.19 | abrotman | boudiccas: ctrl-x or ctrl-q ? |
| 16:07.56 | abrotman | and it wouldn't be pico .. that's under the same license as pine |
| 16:08.02 | abrotman | might be something in a pico mode |
| 16:08.06 | pzn | fenugreek, thanks, pdfcrop worked as expected using --margins, nice! |
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| 16:08.15 | jelly-home | z0mbyk1d: if you have the default one, /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart |
| 16:08.15 | fenugreek | pzn: hurray |
| 16:08.40 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, I know where I can check |
| 16:08.42 | jelly-home | z0mbyk1d: ls -l /etc/init.d/*inetd* might provide clues |
| 16:09.06 | jhutchins_lt | Looks like nano |
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| 16:09.32 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: I think it uses $editor |
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| 16:09.38 | fenugreek | jelly-home: I'm aware of dsfg restrictions, I just answered the question (is it open source) without thinking =P |
| 16:11.06 | deb|ws2k3 | hello guys i have debian x64 i have runner apt-get install munin but when i hit my browser myip/munin i get u dont have premissions to access /munin on this server. |
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| 16:12.51 | abrotman | didn't he just ask that like .. two minutes ago? |
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| 16:13.40 | ambro718 | where does debootstrap place temporary files? can I change the location? |
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| 16:13.57 | jhutchins_lt | !patience |
| 16:13.57 | dpkg | The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. |
| 16:14.11 | jhutchins_lt | Hrm, Not really what I meant. |
| 16:14.19 | boudiccas | fsck it! I've just wiped out my sudoers file and just have a blank sudoers file |
| 16:14.40 | jhutchins_lt | deb|ws2k3: I don't think anybody currently knows about munin. |
| 16:14.52 | deepy | boudiccas: good thing you have a root account |
| 16:14.56 | boudiccas | would someone be willing to save their sudoers file to a pastebin for me to copy and paste? thanks, hopefully |
| 16:15.03 | deb|ws2k3 | yeah i see thats not a problem |
| 16:15.08 | jhutchins_lt | deb|ws2k3: It looks like it's a utility, not a web page. |
| 16:15.13 | z0mbyk1d | jelly-home: there isnt anything there |
| 16:15.18 | deb|ws2k3 | it provider also a web page |
| 16:15.21 | deb|ws2k3 | with graphs |
| 16:15.23 | jhutchins_lt | deb|ws2k3: see /usr/share/doc/munin/README.debian |
| 16:15.38 | deepy | boudiccas: man sudoers |
| 16:15.41 | jhutchins_lt | deb|ws2k3: You have to give it something to graph first. |
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| 16:16.33 | z0mbyk1d | oh, it's openbsd-inetd |
| 16:16.33 | deb|ws2k3 | yeah i know |
| 16:16.37 | deb|ws2k3 | i installed the node also |
| 16:16.50 | deb|ws2k3 | but i dont need munin anymore i already know thats not the problem. |
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| 16:20.40 | deb|ws2k3 | the point is i have a debian server and sometimes alot people play games on it. and sometimes the pings just rise from 50/60/70/80 to 100/200/300 and i'm trying to find the bottle net. the proc is 30 % in use it has 5 of the 8 gb ram in use. and i dont think its my upload i have an upload of 1 mb and when 70 people are logged in. then i have around 200 kbps upload and 500 kpbs download. (on |
| 16:20.41 | deb|ws2k3 | the machine itself) ofcrouse 1 mb upload is theoricly. practical it allways less. and ofcrouse there are other machine here that also consume speed. i have configured Qos on my router so that this type of traffic will go first. and i just dont know how i should find the bottleneck |
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| 16:21.24 | deb|ws2k3 | proc is fine memory is fine. hard disk read/write is fine. upload should be fine i think. but i'm not sure. |
| 16:21.48 | deb|ws2k3 | so somebody any advice |
| 16:22.28 | jhutchins_lt | deb|ws2k3: Router |
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| 16:23.04 | deb|ws2k3 | WRT320N |
| 16:23.19 | deb|ws2k3 | its a linksys/cisco WRT320N |
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| 16:27.07 | jhutchins_lt | It's a linksys router. That'll do it. You're not trying to run ipv6 over it are you? |
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| 16:29.20 | iluminator101 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:30.23 | jhutchins_lt | iluminator101: kalarm |
| 16:30.47 | jhutchins_lt | iluminator101: I'm sure gnome has something similar. |
| 16:30.52 | iluminator101 | i am in gnome |
| 16:31.16 | jhutchins_lt | iluminator101: You could still run kalarm, but there's probably something native. |
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| 16:33.20 | jelly-home | z0mbyk1d: that would imply you didn't have an inetd at all. Which debian release are you using? |
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| 16:34.06 | jelly-home | z0mbyk1d: what does this command say: aptitude search '~i ~Pinet-superserver' |
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| 16:34.49 | jelly-home | z0mbyk1d: (it should lists packages which are both installed and provide the inet-superserver metapackage) |
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| 16:37.28 | Captain_Haddock | iluminator101: there's apparently an extension for banshee that you could use |
| 16:38.06 | iluminator101 | banshee mono crap never |
| 16:39.12 | Captain_Haddock | " Alarm Clock is the personal alarm clock for GTK+ desktop environments. It supports sound fading, scheduled alarms, snooze option, passive window reminders, exception lists for scheduled alarms, exporting alarms and much more!" |
| 16:39.27 | Captain_Haddock | that's alarm-clock :| |
| 16:40.05 | bst_ | and have applet |
| 16:40.41 | Captain_Haddock | timer-applet - a countdown timer applet for the GNOME panel |
| 16:40.50 | Captain_Haddock | that might work as well :| |
| 16:40.54 | Captain_Haddock | iluminator101: ^ |
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| 16:42.39 | LordDeath | what are these 5% reserved blocks for the root good for? |
| 16:43.51 | daemonkeeper | Allow access to root, even if everything else is messed up |
| 16:44.13 | daemonkeeper | Without you would have problems to boot the system, execute daemons perhaps and so on. |
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| 16:44.51 | daemonkeeper | 5% is maybe a bit too much and you can change this with tune2fs, but it definitively makes sense. |
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| 16:45.16 | LordDeath | daemonkeeper: ok, I will leave it at 5% for the beginning |
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| 16:47.14 | jhutchins_lt | LordDeath: Storage is cheap these days. |
| 16:48.33 | kike | debian is the best operating system!!, jeje |
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| 16:48.52 | LordDeath | kike: I hope so |
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| 16:49.12 | LordDeath | I am just trying to move from windows to debian ^^ |
| 16:49.25 | DammitJim | +1 LordDeath |
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| 16:50.24 | benji_ | Hi, I have a env var MYPATH="/path/to folder", and I would like to somehow list the content of the fodler (note the whitespace), any way to do that ? |
| 16:50.49 | benji_ | without modifying the env var itself |
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| 16:51.09 | daemonkeeper | ls $MYPATH? |
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| 16:51.18 | LordDeath | was upgrading from debian 4 to 5 or from 5 to 6 painless? |
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| 16:51.32 | daemonkeeper | LordDeath: define painless |
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| 16:51.52 | LordDeath | painless == I can do it, too ;-) |
| 16:52.12 | daemonkeeper | That's probably a vague definition. In general it is a rather easy task |
| 16:52.48 | LordDeath | it depends also on the additional repositories we are using, right? |
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| 16:53.28 | daemonkeeper | If you use external repositories you better don't rely too much on your system. |
| 16:53.51 | daemonkeeper | Obviously they can do all kind of random stuff which can (and is) not supported by Debian |
| 16:54.04 | LordDeath | sure |
| 16:54.04 | Fredy_BackSlash | Hi all |
| 16:54.35 | deb|ws2k3 | no just ipv4 |
| 16:55.15 | Fredy_BackSlash | is exists rdp terminal server for linux? with multiuser-multisettion mode |
| 16:55.54 | fenugreek | Fredy_BackSlash: why do you need rdp? |
| 16:56.05 | jhutchins_lt | LordDeath: It also depends on the degree of customization you've done. I've done 4-4.5-5 and there was nothing I couldn't deal with. |
| 16:56.15 | babilen | Fredy_BackSlash: RDP is a proprietary Microsoft protocol, but sure about theit Linux support. You might want to look into VNC |
| 16:56.27 | jhutchins_lt | LordDeath: The closer you are to a stock system the more certain a smooth upgrade is. |
| 16:56.32 | daemonkeeper | or NX |
| 16:56.52 | Fredy_BackSlash | fenugreek: i need connect many users from windows standart rdp client to my server. |
| 16:57.12 | jhutchins_lt | LordDeath: There are repositories like debian-multimedia.org that adhere to the Debian standards pretty closely and don't mess up upgrades. then there are third parties that throw a .deb file out there and can mess things up. |
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| 16:57.51 | daemonkeeper | And there is Launchpad PPA |
| 16:57.54 | fenugreek | Fredy_BackSlash: ah |
| 16:58.01 | fenugreek | Fredy_BackSlash: it's called xrdp, IIRC |
| 16:58.17 | Fredy_BackSlash | babilen: Unfortunately there is no native VNC client in windows |
| 16:58.29 | fenugreek | Fredy_BackSlash: you might do better to install a vnc client on those boxes and run a vnc server, though |
| 16:58.41 | fenugreek | yeah but I'm sure those Windows boxes have some 3rd party software already =P |
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| 16:59.47 | fenugreek | http://sourceforge.net/projects/tigervnc/files/tigervnc/1.0.1/tigervnc-1.0.1.exe/download |
| 16:59.53 | fenugreek | tiny app, IIRC |
| 17:00.02 | Fredy_BackSlash | fenugreek: windows computer users do not whant install any unknown prorgams |
| 17:00.10 | fenugreek | they don't? |
| 17:00.18 | fenugreek | you're saying they all run Internet Explorer? |
| 17:00.18 | daemonkeeper | They love to |
| 17:00.20 | babilen | Fredy_BackSlash: http://www.tightvnc.com/download.html |
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| 17:00.55 | jhutchins_lt | Fredy_BackSlash: So you need a server that standard Windows clients can connect to? |
| 17:01.07 | Fredy_BackSlash | jhutchins_lt: yes |
| 17:01.17 | jhutchins_lt | xrdp |
| 17:01.18 | fenugreek | anyways if you need to connect many users to your server, you're probably sort of... in charge of something, no? =P |
| 17:01.20 | babilen | xrdp it is |
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| 17:03.01 | z0mbyk1d | can anyone tell me how to change my tftpd remap file to accomodate this situation? it's reqriting correctly but doesn't go 'deep' enough: |
| 17:03.04 | Fredy_BackSlash | i was try xrdp but it not separate server it need local vnc or something. and it show more windows with extra options when user connecting. can i remove it? |
| 17:03.04 | z0mbyk1d | in.tftpd[3157]: remap: rule 0: rewrite: /Boot\Fonts\wgl4_boot.ttf |
| 17:03.10 | z0mbyk1d | gr \\ / <- what's in my remap file |
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| 17:05.05 | z0mbyk1d | RRQ from 172.16.3.30 filename \Boot\Fonts\wgl4_boot.ttf remapped to /Boot/Fonts/wgl4_boot.ttf |
| 17:05.08 | z0mbyk1d | ok, working now |
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| 17:06.33 | nvz | So I've been trying to narrow down for quite some time why the update manager will not show changelogs, now that I have actual updates available from the main mirror it shows them ONLY for the official mirror, not for the security updates from the security mirror |
| 17:06.35 | Fredy_BackSlash | and I was able to connect only to current console ol localy vnc server, how cat i make to create new sessions without local login? session managet ollways say lofin failed |
| 17:06.52 | nvz | I'm still a bit confused, do they not issue changelogs for security updates or what? |
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| 17:07.56 | nvz | Fredy_BackSlash: if I understand you correctly, VNC doesn't do that. the server session has to be already running. |
| 17:08.23 | jhutchins_lt | Fredy_BackSlash: It depends on the vnc server you're using. Some default to unique sessions, some default to requiring an existing session. Some can be reconfigured to do the opposite, some can't. |
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| 17:09.12 | nvz | if there is a VNC server that starts its own sessions on demand I'm not aware of it, and consider that a big security issue |
| 17:09.31 | Fredy_BackSlash | jhutchins_lt: is any instructions for vnc setup? |
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| 17:11.35 | fenugreek | if it were configured that way by default, yeah that could be problematic |
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| 17:11.53 | jhutchins_lt | Fredy_BackSlash: Documentation varies, there are man pages, files in /usr/share/doc/<package>, and webpages, sometimes by third parties. |
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| 17:13.09 | Fredy_BackSlash | jhutchins_lt: ok senks/ |
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| 17:19.21 | Bushmills | Fredy_BackSlash: i suppose you could use inetd or xinetd to have vnc server started when trying to connect |
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| 17:20.11 | nvz | I was thinking that, but it sounds dangerous which is why I didnt mention it |
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| 17:21.02 | Bushmills | doesn't appear, in terms of security, much different to a vnc server already running |
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| 17:21.26 | jhutchins_lt | Doesn't really apply to his problem anyway. |
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| 17:21.37 | lord_rob | I'm back with my DNS resolution problem :(. At least I could come here typing the IP directly in the IRC client (so DIG still works). Which package makes use of resolv.conf ? I suppose network-base ? |
| 17:21.52 | jhutchins_lt | The servers either do unique sessions or they share an existing sessions. Some can do both, some can only do one or the other. |
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| 17:24.12 | nvz | idk I'm barely conscious so I should probably just go back to bed.. heh. I was sitting here trying to learn to use wings3d and not having much luck trying to do simple tasks |
| 17:24.22 | Bushmills | kvm could be an option, using the built-in vnc server |
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| 17:25.02 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: Built in to what? |
| 17:25.09 | jhutchins_lt | Oh, built into kvm. |
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| 17:25.31 | jhutchins_lt | Add a hypervisor layer just for vnc? |
| 17:25.54 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: I would think that would default to x :0 |
| 17:25.59 | fenugreek | what's the problem, again? |
| 17:26.02 | fenugreek | I thought he just wanted xrdp =P |
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| 17:26.24 | jhutchins_lt | fenugreek: He want's multi-session. GUI terminals. |
| 17:26.51 | fenugreek | and xrdp doesn't do that? |
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| 17:27.32 | fenugreek | bet that installation of tigervnc client on the Windows boxes is looking better and better |
| 17:27.42 | jhutchins_lt | fenugreek: I don't know, I think xrdp will only share the (an) existing session. |
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| 17:28.22 | jhutchins_lt | We didn't discuss xauth either. |
| 17:28.34 | ompaul | xdmcp :-) |
| 17:28.56 | fenugreek | well you can create as many X sessions as you want |
| 17:29.09 | nvz | yeah I couldnt remember the acronym to even suggest xdmcp.. heh |
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| 17:30.05 | foetus | hy |
| 17:30.20 | fenugreek | hy |
| 17:30.42 | simonlnu | ju |
| 17:31.00 | fenugreek | hy ju |
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| 17:33.04 | iluminator101 | hey how do i get mail notification on desktop when icedove get an email? |
| 17:33.06 | nvz | lord_rob: resolver and resolv.conf as I understand them are standard C libraries |
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| 17:34.04 | nvz | iluminator101: you can't get notification of a program that isn't running. where is your email stored? |
| 17:34.49 | nvz | iluminator101: you likely need/want some kind of fetchmail service that routinely checks your mailbox and notifies you |
| 17:34.53 | iluminator101 | i meant when its running like libnotify or something |
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| 17:35.44 | foetus | is /mnt only needed for compatibility reasons ? makes it trouble if i create a few own mountpoints there? |
| 17:36.17 | jelly-home | foetus: it doesn't, make all the /mnt/foo if you like |
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| 17:36.57 | karlpinc | feisar: You might consider /srv |
| 17:37.00 | karlpinc | !tell feisar about fhs |
| 17:37.06 | foetus | jelly-home: thats nice. |
| 17:37.27 | feen | hey guys... can someone tell me if I'm mental or... why I keep getting "can't have operlapping partitions"? http://pastebin.com/YsPtp3T7 |
| 17:37.33 | babilen | foetus: What do you want to use them for? |
| 17:38.03 | nvz | iluminator101: there doesnt seem to be built in support for that.. its said to be provided by icedove-traybiff which I do not see in stable |
| 17:38.39 | foetus | babilen: for custom drives only, like backup hd, usbstick etc. |
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| 17:38.55 | LordDeath | how can I add my user account into this "sudoers" files? |
| 17:39.02 | LordDeath | -s |
| 17:39.04 | nvz | iluminator101: p.d.o shows that package in lenny and sid |
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| 17:39.41 | nvz | LordDeath: visudo |
| 17:39.44 | smccloud|work | LordDeath, add your user to the "sudo" group |
| 17:40.05 | babilen | foetus: Yeah /mnt is a good choice -- Removable drives would be happy in /media |
| 17:40.29 | babilen | !tell foetus about fhs |
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| 17:40.52 | LordDeath | smccloud|work: thx |
| 17:41.15 | jhutchins | LordDeath: You have to log out and log back in for it to take effect. |
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| 17:42.12 | boudiccas | jhutchins, no you don't! mine was available to use as soon as i'd save dit |
| 17:42.15 | foetus | babilen: ok, thanks.. |
| 17:42.17 | boudiccas | *saved it |
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| 17:48.25 | LordDeath | jhutchins: it works now :) |
| 17:48.38 | LordDeath | and now comes the fun part |
| 17:48.44 | LordDeath | broadcom wlan -.- |
| 17:49.12 | jhutchins | boudiccas: If you add yourself to a group, it's not effective to the next login. If you add yourself to the sudoers file it's immediately effective. |
| 17:49.14 | babilen | You have a twisted idea of what constitutes "fun" ;) |
| 17:49.33 | jhutchins | LordDeath: Broadcom's pretty easy these days. |
| 17:49.39 | Corey | Ah, Ubuntu. |
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| 17:49.50 | Corey | Like clockwork. A new release comes out, and upgrading makes my netbook crap itself. |
| 17:50.03 | babilen | Corey: Install Debian :) |
| 17:50.13 | Corey | babilen: On a netbook? |
| 17:50.15 | babilen | LordDeath: "lspci -nn|grep -i network" please :) |
| 17:50.25 | ompaul | Corey: why not? I do. |
| 17:50.26 | jhutchins | Corey: My acer one works great. |
| 17:50.28 | babilen | Corey: Why not? |
| 17:50.30 | Corey | Actually... that's not a horrific idea. |
| 17:50.46 | ompaul | glad you bought those glasses now you see things our way ;-) |
| 17:50.49 | jhutchins | There's a netbook profile for kde. |
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| 17:52.23 | babilen | Corey: Take a look at: gtk2-engines-moblin plasma-netbook kde-plasma-netbook and window-picker-applet (gnome/kde mix there) |
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| 17:53.18 | jef91 | Anyone know how to create a .deb file with custom arguments passed to the configure file? I need some non-standard flags in a package I am building |
| 17:53.41 | wieldy_BIOS | guys do you tried this Haiku os? http://www.haiku-os.org/ |
| 17:53.55 | babilen | !tell jef91 -about package recompile |
| 17:54.02 | babilen | wieldy_BIOS: no |
| 17:54.33 | jef91 | I'm not trying to recompile something babilen |
| 17:54.36 | jef91 | I am building a new package |
| 17:54.44 | jef91 | that I need cusom configure arguments passed to |
| 17:54.46 | LordDeath | babilen: it is the BCM4312 |
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| 17:54.52 | foetus | is looking for mirror..and is searching for an aged mobile drive.. |
| 17:54.56 | babilen | !bcm4312 |
| 17:54.57 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4312 (PCI-ID 14e4:4315) is a PCI-E 802.11g wireless LAN chipset with a low-power PHY, supported by <b43> as of Linux 2.6.32. Firmware is required, ask me about <contrib> and install the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package to provide. Lenny users, see <bcm4312 lenny>. Alternatively supported by <wl>. PCI-ID 14e4:4312 is a BCM4311 chipset, requiring firmware-b43-installer. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 17:55.24 | LordDeath | nice ^^ |
| 17:55.24 | babilen | jef91: Yes, edit your debian/rules and specify the configure flags there |
| 17:55.59 | jef91 | What does that look like babilen? I tried adding the line "./configure --disable-image-loader-svg" to the debian/rules |
| 17:56.00 | jef91 | but that did not work |
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| 17:56.46 | LordDeath | what means "contrib"? |
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| 17:57.12 | jhutchins | !contrib |
| 17:57.13 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compatible software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ [lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then aptitude update. Also ask me about <non-free>. |
| 17:57.17 | foetus | ..and is moving a few mountpoints from / to /mnt.. |
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| 17:59.16 | babilen | jef91: First: Take this to #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org and second: Read "man dh" and the nmg :) |
| 18:00.51 | jef91 | babilen #debian-mentors is an invite only channel. Also here is my rules file - http://pastebin.com/QVUuMt4Y |
| 18:01.01 | babilen | jef91: On *irc.debian.org* |
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| 18:01.19 | babilen | jef91: And take a look at "man 7 debhelper" |
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| 18:02.22 | jef91 | meh thanks for the tips babilen will have to get this sorted later on, gotta run for now |
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| 18:06.48 | Eulenspiegel69 | is there a more decent way to fully sandbox an application (like a web browser) than chrooting (a method that is not too resource consuming like running in a VM)? |
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| 18:08.41 | iBurger | Hi. I have a Q: When installing a printer w/ CUPS I need to login into the admin page with ROOT@password. I normally use SUDO for everything. Should I now create a root account? |
| 18:09.09 | anima-work | iBurger, why are you using sudo for everything in the first place ? |
| 18:09.25 | treebeen | iBurger: you have a root account... |
| 18:09.30 | iBurger | because i'm 'noob' and coming from a ubuntu background |
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| 18:09.34 | iBurger | :) |
| 18:10.05 | treebeen | usually you have to set the root pw in the installer |
| 18:10.12 | treebeen | didn't you? |
| 18:10.15 | anima-work | ugh ubuntu and its bad practices |
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| 18:10.41 | anima-work | treebeen, meh even if he didnt he can sudo su then change the pw |
| 18:10.42 | MrFrood | 'su -c' is the way to go... |
| 18:10.44 | iBurger | I guess i did if you say so (its been like 3 years without reinstall now) |
| 18:10.52 | LordDeath | still have ghost clicks on my screen :( |
| 18:10.59 | LordDeath | stupid ntrig touchscreen |
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| 18:11.24 | treebeen | anima-work: it's to prevent confusion |
| 18:11.39 | iBurger | "sudo su" interesting i'll try that now |
| 18:11.49 | anima-work | treebeen, what is ? |
| 18:12.09 | treebeen | iBurger: weel, yeah, sudo passwd, and set it to what you want |
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| 18:13.16 | treebeen | anima-work: I mean, ubuntu, they are using sudo because normal people get confused by root :) |
| 18:13.31 | anima-work | treebeen, its still bad practice |
| 18:14.08 | mordocai_work | Hello, i'm looking to find some basic "best practice" iptables rules to have in place for a web + email server. Can anyone point me to a good link? (googled, but there was a lot of crud to sort through) |
| 18:14.20 | cheng | how to op .so ? |
| 18:14.25 | cheng | how to open .so ? |
| 18:14.42 | justin_ | !wayttd cheng |
| 18:14.44 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, cheng? |
| 18:14.44 | cheng | hello , help |
| 18:14.44 | anima-work | mordocai_work, deny all |
| 18:14.58 | mordocai_work | anima-work: That would be the safest! :P |
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| 18:15.08 | twobitsprite | cheng: .so is a shared library.... you don't open them, other programs load them |
| 18:16.19 | anima-work | mordocai_work, when i was running a server i was dropping everything from any port besides 25, 80, 443, disable icmp pings, set up fail2ban |
| 18:16.21 | cheng | twobitsprite: 1. Use Hex editor (I used ghex) to open /usr/lib/compiz/libanimation.so |
| 18:16.22 | cheng | ? how can i do it ? |
| 18:16.58 | anima-work | mordocai_work, however im not a huge fan of linux for servers, im more of an OBSD guy |
| 18:17.02 | cheng | twobitsprite: i cannot install ghex in debian |
| 18:17.37 | iBurger | thanks guys ill look into it. interesting to learn debian doesn't like the sudo thing at all; i'll drop it from here on. |
| 18:17.39 | anima-work | cheng, so use khexedit |
| 18:17.39 | twobitsprite | cheng: what happens when you try to install it? |
| 18:18.18 | karlpinc | mordocai_work: You might want to look at ferm and shorewall instead of raw iptables. I agree with anima-work, OpenBSD's pf is really nice. But it's a pain to keep up to date. |
| 18:18.41 | cheng | twobitsprite: E: æªåç°è½¯ä»¶å
khexedit |
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| 18:19.03 | twobitsprite | cheng: sorry, I'm not sure what language that is, but I can't read it |
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| 18:20.12 | twobitsprite | cheng: can you please give a basic translation of that error? |
| 18:20.17 | cheng | twobitsprite: i used "apt-get install whex " to install it , it cannot find this pack |
| 18:20.19 | treebeen | hmm, debian doesn't like the sudo thing? sudo is nice... |
| 18:20.28 | twobitsprite | ,versions khexedit |
| 18:20.30 | judd | Package khexedit on i386 -- lenny: 4:3.5.9-2 |
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| 18:20.41 | twobitsprite | ,versions ghex |
| 18:20.44 | judd | Package ghex on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.0-1; sid: 2.24.0-1; squeeze: 2.24.0-1; wheezy: 2.24.0-1 |
| 18:20.47 | cahoot | treebeen: install and use it then? |
| 18:20.56 | twobitsprite | cheng: what about ghex? same error? |
| 18:20.57 | treebeen | cahoot: oh, i do |
| 18:21.08 | cheng | twobitsprite: yes |
| 18:21.51 | twobitsprite | cheng: can you please post your sources.list on http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 18:23.35 | cheng | twobitsprite: thanks , i repaired it |
| 18:23.58 | twobitsprite | cheng: ok :) |
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| 18:24.04 | cheng | twobitsprite: i writer something wrong :) |
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| 18:24.44 | LordDeath | leftclick with the touchpad doesn't work anymore :( |
| 18:24.47 | foetus | is sitting beneath a noisy stoneaged mobile-rack..;) |
| 18:25.10 | bronaugh | why does cfq suck so hard? |
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| 18:25.49 | foetus | need earflaps :) |
| 18:27.37 | foetus | the harddrive is grating and squeaking..:) |
| 18:27.44 | foetus | :) |
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| 18:30.03 | foetus | is enjoying the sound of hissing fans.. |
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| 18:30.29 | anima-work | foetus, lol i had one of my 80mms go this week, it started hitting the grating |
| 18:30.32 | Pikel | is there a tutorial somewhere that goes over how to build .deb packages? |
| 18:30.44 | anima-work | Pikel, google.com |
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| 18:30.52 | abrotman | !tell Pikel about nmb |
| 18:30.52 | abrotman | !tell Pikel about nmg |
| 18:30.57 | foetus | surely ibm. |
| 18:30.59 | abrotman | !tell Pikel about nmg |
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| 18:31.48 | foetus | thats entertainment. |
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| 18:34.43 | foetus | plugs in a second, smaller harddrive..but with much more capacity ;) |
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| 18:36.51 | foetus | is looking for the largefile attribute.. |
| 18:37.03 | foetus | yes. |
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| 18:38.55 | foetus | put all this into #self, please.:)stopping now. |
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| 18:39.53 | dsdeiz | hi! .xsession-errors is getting bigger and i keep on just clearing it. is there way for this file not to be get writted w/o any 'bad effects' on the system? :D |
| 18:39.55 | mordocai_work | foetus: It is okay, I routed it all to my brain's /dev/null after brief consideration |
| 18:40.10 | foetus | :) |
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| 18:41.13 | anima-work | dsdeiz, or you could try fixing the problem instead of deleting the error log |
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| 18:43.13 | dsdeiz | hm, i'll try that one tho am not good w/ fixing errors that go to log files :D any other ways? say maybe changing its permission or some sort |
| 18:43.30 | anima-work | ..... FIX THE PROBLEM |
| 18:43.45 | mordocai_work | dsdeiz, We only recommend "good" solutions here :P |
| 18:44.32 | anima-work | hmm my isp just emailed me, they are increasing my tier from 15mbps to 25mbps |
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| 18:46.32 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 18:47.18 | dsdeiz | ah cool. i fixed one of them problems :D what about these 'gdk/gtk deprecated' error messages? i'm guessign i should try a different gtk theme that is created properly? |
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| 18:48.06 | dsdeiz | ... hm, nvm.. i've cleared my xsession-errors file.. can't seem to encounter it anymore.. hehe |
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| 18:52.10 | tensorpudding | assuming that your /usr/local/share/icons is empty, what do you need to do to install icons there, if you're writing an install script for an application? |
| 18:52.20 | SparFux | Hi all. I use sakura as vte. UTF8 worked in it, but today I notice it doesn't work anymore. Only '?'s appear when I type umlauts etc. Other programs work fine. What could the reason for this sakura utf8 display error be? |
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| 18:53.19 | bst_ | new boot new .xsession-errors + .xsession-errors.old |
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| 18:54.35 | foetus | make a shutdown script, clean your logs, use savelog or logrotate |
| 18:54.39 | xemacs4321 | what is package name for sshd ? |
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| 18:55.19 | justin_ | xemacs4321: ssh |
| 18:55.37 | rypervenche | xemacs4321: Should be openssh-server |
| 18:55.41 | foetus | not ssh-server? |
| 18:55.45 | foetus | yes. |
| 18:55.50 | xemacs4321 | thankyou |
| 18:56.15 | justin_ | ssh depends on the ssh server |
| 18:56.33 | DammitJim | loves openssh-server |
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| 18:57.31 | foetus | not important. |
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| 19:03.55 | Newbyii | hi guys, im looking for a .deb of php5.3.x with readline compiled in,, ive been googling like a madman but no results, i really wish i wouldnt have to compile it myself. |
| 19:04.10 | Newbyii | im on debian squeeze |
| 19:04.34 | simonlnu | probably want php5-cli |
| 19:05.24 | Newbyii | simonlnu: yeah, php5-cli 5.3.x,, the one in squeeze repos doesnt have readline (licensing issues) |
| 19:05.27 | Newbyii | http://www.docunext.com/blog/2007/10/no-php5-readline-in-debian.html |
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| 19:06.06 | Newbyii | and php5-cli is not half as useful for me as when it has readline |
| 19:06.13 | Newbyii | or maybe half.. but not more :P |
| 19:06.15 | simonlnu | that post is from 5 years ago. is it even relevant now? |
| 19:06.45 | Newbyii | simonlnu: yes, trust me, i didnt read the post first, i tried first, and let me find the current bug report |
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| 19:07.18 | Newbyii | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=576218 |
| 19:07.20 | simonlnu | well, sid's is still no libreadline, so it probably is |
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| 19:08.14 | nexus6__ | is it possible to burn the cd image on a dvd? |
| 19:08.26 | bronaugh | has anyone here deployed btrfs in a heavy-use environment? |
| 19:08.27 | Newbyii | simonlnu: i already know, i already told you, licensing issues, readline will probably never be in the repos,, thats but i know alot of people need php5-cli so i assume that someone created a deb.. |
| 19:08.28 | babilen | nexus6__: Sure |
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| 19:08.38 | bronaugh | suffering from extreme xfs hate at the moment. |
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| 19:08.39 | nexus6__ | thank you :) |
| 19:08.49 | babilen | bronaugh: I doubt it given the state of btrfs |
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| 19:09.04 | Newbyii | suffering from extreme licensing-gay-nonsense hate at the moment |
| 19:09.12 | babilen | bronaugh: Had to run xfs_check on a 32bit system? |
| 19:09.17 | bronaugh | babilen: ok. the problem is that xfs sucks and ext4 has a 16TB limit. |
| 19:09.29 | bronaugh | babilen: no, it just decided to truncate some files to 0 bytes. |
| 19:09.42 | bronaugh | which isn't really much of an improvement on the old bad behaviour of filling files with \0 |
| 19:09.44 | babilen | jfs? |
| 19:09.52 | bronaugh | meh; maybe. |
| 19:09.52 | Newbyii | is there any good place to look for custom .debs? |
| 19:10.01 | abrotman | Newbyii: for what? |
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| 19:10.24 | babilen | bronaugh: And do you really have files >= 16TiB? |
| 19:10.33 | bronaugh | babilen: no. that's a filesystem size limit. |
| 19:10.40 | bronaugh | and yes I do have filesystems larger than 16TB |
| 19:10.41 | simonlnu | Newbyii: ok ok, chill. so gnu readline is not what you're talking about, or is it? |
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| 19:11.10 | babilen | bronaugh: Ah, right the e2fsprogs bullshit |
| 19:11.13 | bronaugh | otherwise I would happily use ext4. it seems to behave quite well on SSDs. |
| 19:11.19 | bronaugh | babilen: yeah. that bullshit :/ |
| 19:11.26 | bronaugh | dunno why there is so much head up ass going on there. |
| 19:11.28 | Newbyii | simonlnu: i have no idea, how is that relevant? |
| 19:11.51 | babilen | bronaugh: Well, jfs is not a bad choice |
| 19:11.58 | bronaugh | babilen: you used it? |
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| 19:12.16 | babilen | bronaugh: We had it in production at my old university ... |
| 19:12.17 | Newbyii | simonlnu: all i know is that i want a working php5-cli and the one in squeeze doesnt do it, and its not only me complaining, you saw the issue from 3 years ago, there's an old 5.2.x .deb there, i would like a 5.3.x |
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| 19:12.34 | bronaugh | babilen: did it do any dumb shit? |
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| 19:12.43 | bronaugh | oh yeah, and what kernel version? |
| 19:12.52 | twobitsprite | Newbyii: try rlwrap |
| 19:12.56 | bronaugh | getting pretty wary of new kernels... a lot of the time it just seems to be new bugs, not new features. |
| 19:13.02 | twobitsprite | Newbyii: it turns everything in to a readline enhanced cli |
| 19:13.23 | simonlnu | Newbyii: so grab the 5.2 and patch 5.3 with it. surely they have the source there. |
| 19:13.43 | babilen | bronaugh: Whatever the kernel was between 2003 and now :) |
| 19:13.46 | macrobat | isn't the ext4 filesystem limit one exabyte? and it is e2fsprogs that can only handle up to 16 terabyte? |
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| 19:13.48 | bronaugh | babilen: hah |
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| 19:13.53 | bronaugh | stone age kernel. ok. |
| 19:13.54 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 19:14.14 | Newbyii | simonlnu: please stop talking unless you are going to read what i say. i already told you the reason i look for a .deb is because i want to avoid compiling the source,, if i was willing to compile the source none of this conversation would had happened, putting you on /ignore now. |
| 19:14.40 | twobitsprite | Newbyii: seriously... try rlwrap |
| 19:14.42 | Newbyii | twobitsprite: ty, gonna try that |
| 19:14.46 | Newbyii | twobitsprite: yeah |
| 19:14.49 | twobitsprite | :) |
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| 19:14.59 | LordDeath | would you recommend debian testing to a new user? |
| 19:15.08 | babilen | LordDeath: no |
| 19:15.13 | twobitsprite | LordDeath: new to linux, or debian? |
| 19:15.19 | Newbyii | LordDeath: if you really love license issues, yes :) |
| 19:15.21 | eptalon | LordDeath: depends on what you are looking for. |
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| 19:15.36 | twobitsprite | Newbyii: license issues aren't unique to debian |
| 19:15.41 | eptalon | LordDeath: testing is newer packages, that can sometimes be broken. |
| 19:15.43 | simonlnu | Newbyii: you have no right to tell me to shut up. |
| 19:15.43 | babilen | and there you have your variety of answers ... but i'm actually with eptalon on this one |
| 19:15.57 | LordDeath | I used ubuntu before, so I am new to linux and I don't know anything ^^ |
| 19:16.24 | babilen | LordDeath: Do you love debugging systems that don't boot? |
| 19:16.29 | eptalon | LordDeath: unstable & experimental is even newer packages that break more often. |
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| 19:16.48 | mdik | kde |
| 19:16.52 | babilen | LordDeath: But generally speaking: No, I wouldn't recommend it. |
| 19:17.13 | eptalon | LordDeath: As an example (unstable): XFCE (a desktop envirnoment) at the moment does not support mounting volumes |
| 19:17.14 | bronaugh | LordDeath: it gets you the bleeding edge, with all the associated problems. |
| 19:17.17 | LordDeath | it seems like I can't use squeeze on my machine |
| 19:17.21 | daemon_mum | can i run compiz inside vmware debian? |
| 19:17.29 | daemonkeeper | bronaugh: Wrong. |
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| 19:17.48 | eptalon | LordDeath: hw requirements? |
| 19:17.57 | LordDeath | no, incompatible touchscreen |
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| 19:18.03 | bronaugh | daemonkeeper: uh, ok. how about some justification for your absolutist statement? |
| 19:18.09 | simonlnu | Newbyii: it was a suggestion only, and you just had to ignore it instead of telling me to shut up. GFY. *plonk* |
| 19:18.32 | mdik | what is up with kde? |
| 19:18.49 | eptalon | ? |
| 19:18.49 | mdik | seriously. i'm waiting for a year now |
| 19:18.49 | daemon_mum | hey anyone know if i can setup compiz inside vmware? |
| 19:18.52 | mdik | a year |
| 19:19.03 | babilen | mdik: What are you waiting for? |
| 19:19.08 | mdik | 4.6 |
| 19:19.08 | eptalon | mdik: what are you waiting for? |
| 19:19.15 | daemonkeeper | bronaugh: Debian unstable is /not/ bleeding edge software. It may be broken, introduce new problems, side effects and all kind of problems, but it is not, the Debian Maintainer would just download the most recent upstream tarball, ship it and call it a package. |
| 19:19.28 | simonlnu | mdik: so far, you've only offered griping, so we don't know what the issue is. care to tell us? |
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| 19:19.45 | mdik | i thought "alright. no problem. they are all occupied with squeeze and stuff." but that release was some time ago, now |
| 19:19.48 | babilen | mdik: It's in experimental, I would expect it to hit sid soonish |
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| 19:19.50 | daemonkeeper | Or introduce changes which completely break things (unless by accident, see the /run issue) |
| 19:20.24 | eptalon | daemonkeeper: or the XFCE-issue (which isn't an XFCE-issue) |
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| 19:20.38 | mdik | simonlnu: i'm just waiting for kde 4.6 to hit unstable. but now i wonder if i should go proactive |
| 19:20.39 | bronaugh | daemonkeeper: uh; do note that "experimental" has been included in this discussion. |
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| 19:20.49 | bronaugh | daemonkeeper: from which you can pull such hairy things as -rc kernels. |
| 19:20.53 | simonlnu | mdik: it's in experimental now |
| 19:21.27 | eptalon | mdik: KDE, as I understand it, is a complex puzzle of many packages. Try to find out why it doesn't "hit unstable"? |
| 19:21.40 | bronaugh | daemonkeeper: I've run unstable and pulled packages from experimental for a lot of years and it's true -- you don't generally get -that- much breakage. that being said, I've also built everything on my own once or twice, and you don't get that much breakage that way either. |
| 19:21.41 | ompaul | simonlnu: not seeing your question I'll take it that you just said 4.6.2 kde? |
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| 19:21.45 | mdik | simonlnu: yeah and i wonder if i should take that step or wait till it moves to unstable |
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| 19:21.54 | simonlnu | mdik: fyi, i'm running it now |
| 19:21.55 | twobitsprite | mdik: you have not been waiting a year for kde 4.6.. 4.6 was just released in late january |
| 19:22.16 | simonlnu | ompaul: mdik's, not mine |
| 19:22.42 | mdik | twobitsprite: before that i waited for 4.5 |
| 19:22.58 | eptalon | Any issue when that media-mounting issue is going to be addressed? |
| 19:23.09 | daemon_mum | what media mounting issue?? |
| 19:23.18 | daemonkeeper | bronaugh: So? Experimental is a bit of a different story again, but still has a maintainer which hopefully carefully checked things and tested his/hers package. Bleeding edge would hold for distributions like Gentoo or Arch (not judging them to do so!) or so, where you get /indeed/ the latest bleeding edge software from upstream. |
| 19:23.23 | ompaul | mdik: if you don't like the wait you can help by learning how to package it and get in there and get your hands dirty ;-) |
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| 19:23.46 | mdik | ompaul: i know |
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| 19:24.29 | mdik | but i dont think kde is that much of a good beginner's packaging experience |
| 19:24.36 | bronaugh | daemonkeeper: in the case of gentoo, though, I think in general you get a release version of some variety; in debian, I've seen "xversion+svn<whatever>" more times than I can count. |
| 19:24.39 | twobitsprite | mdik: how do you figure? |
| 19:25.00 | bronaugh | daemonkeeper: I'd say including patches from scm qualifies as more bleeding edge; wouldn't you? |
| 19:25.08 | mdik | twobitsprite: by seeing how many packages and dependencies it involves... |
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| 19:25.33 | twobitsprite | mdik: hmmm... and you think that would make it difficult to package? |
| 19:25.39 | simonlnu | it's not so bleeding edge when HEAD is like 100-200 revisions ahead |
| 19:25.41 | mdik | how much attention you have to pay to not break config files etc |
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| 19:25.47 | twobitsprite | mdik: maybe difficult enough that it might take some time to do so? |
| 19:26.01 | mdik | twobitsprite: exactly! (; |
| 19:26.20 | twobitsprite | mdik: so maybe you should go help the debian kde team, or quick your bitchin'! :P |
| 19:26.27 | twobitsprite | s/quick/quit/ |
| 19:26.53 | mdik | quick the fix up, bitch! (; |
| 19:27.05 | daemonkeeper | bronaugh: No, the SCM versions in fact indicate a particular stable release. Note those (in most cases) WON'T ship a SCM trunk copy, but a stable release with backported fixes for a particular problem from the SCM trunk (exceptions do apply). I use it, for example, to cherry pick a bugfix for particular package before upstream actually decides to ship a new release. |
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| 19:27.17 | eptalon | simonlnu: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HAL#Mounting_fails_for_normal_users |
| 19:27.21 | z0mbyk1d | does ntop use apache2 or its own httpd, i forget |
| 19:27.21 | SparFux | Hey, mlterm is much smaller than sakura, right? |
| 19:27.33 | z0mbyk1d | either way, I can't get to it on :3000 |
| 19:27.35 | daemonkeeper | bronaugh: but yes, some exceptions do apply, including for packages which don't use a traditional versioning scheme at all |
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| 19:28.04 | mdik | z0mbyk1d: it' own |
| 19:28.09 | z0mbyk1d | ok |
| 19:28.30 | mdik | maybe it is able to utilize apache, but it comes with its own |
| 19:28.32 | bronaugh | daemonkeeper: sure. look, I'm not attacking debian. as I've said, I've run debian unstable for a lot of years with generally good results. |
| 19:28.37 | z0mbyk1d | maybe my firewall rules are bork then |
| 19:29.00 | bronaugh | daemonkeeper: but: I do think that the new user population probably shouldn't be using unstable. some stuff inevitably ends up broken; just part of the development process. |
| 19:29.18 | abrotman | still asking ubuntu questions? |
| 19:29.25 | mdik | z0mbyk1d: or there are conflicts in the running daemons. for me it was just aptitude install ntop |
| 19:29.54 | eptalon | abrotman: I haven'tr used ubuntu in years, should I switch? |
| 19:29.58 | abrotman | not you |
| 19:30.10 | daemonkeeper | bronaugh: I do as well. I was just pointing out Debian Sid is bot bleeding edge software, it is just not as stable and tested as the stable releases (surprise, hence the name). Of course I discourage everyone from using Sid unless you know what you are doing and you can fix problems if they show up (including fundamental apt knowledge) |
| 19:30.11 | abrotman | the guy evading his ban |
| 19:30.54 | bronaugh | daemonkeeper: ok. we're on roughly the same page then. I think we're just disagreeing about what bleeding edge is. |
| 19:30.59 | eptalon | daemonkeeper: I have generally made good experiences with sid... |
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| 19:31.43 | daemonkeeper | eptalon: As I said, feel free to use it, but you should be beyond the average support level and know what you're doing. |
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| 19:31.58 | eptalon | daemonkeeper: I am. |
| 19:32.28 | daemonkeeper | eptalon: Then everything may be fine. |
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| 19:33.55 | eptalon | I was wondering: when I switched from XFCE 4.6 to XFCE 4.8, mounting removable media automatically is no longer possible through the XFCE interface of thunar; yet it's not a problem of thunar, but of the underlying volume management. So what package should I report the bug against? |
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| 19:34.39 | sweb | good news from Ubuntu. Natty is peas of shit distro with big problem. we transfer to suse, fedora or debian |
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| 19:35.09 | daemonkeeper | From Ubuntu to Fedora? Sounds like a good choice. |
| 19:35.34 | sweb | daemonkeeper, see stupid problem daemonkeeper |
| 19:35.37 | abrotman | sweb: troll somewhere else |
| 19:35.40 | erAbuelo | buenas tardes |
| 19:35.42 | sweb | http://askubuntu.com/questions/38159/install-on-asus-eeepc-with-stupid-big-problem |
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| 19:36.41 | abrotman | sweb: This channel is for Debian support, not whining about Ubuntu, you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
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| 19:37.11 | daemonkeeper | eptalon: Perhaps they switched to PolicyKit as did most recent DEs. I have no clue about your issue or XFCE though. |
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| 19:37.26 | daemonkeeper | eptalon: And this causes a lot of problems, including for KDE. |
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| 19:38.16 | eptalon | daemonkeeper: and debian does not yet support poilcykit... |
| 19:38.21 | fenugreek | Xfce is usually up-to-date with such things |
| 19:38.25 | joo_ | I have narrowed my slow RT problem down a bit to the following i think: Software caused connection abort at /usr/share/perl5/HTML/Mason/ApacheHandler.pm line 1026 - does anyone have a hint for me? |
| 19:38.26 | LordDeath | I updated to testing and now my screen problem is gone |
| 19:38.28 | fenugreek | the latest version, anyways |
| 19:38.33 | fenugreek | LordDeath: nice job |
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| 19:38.48 | eptalon | fenugreek: XFCE4.6 worked; XFCE4.8 doesn't. |
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| 19:39.17 | fenugreek | eptalon: go back to 4.6? |
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| 19:39.33 | daemonkeeper | Downgrading is not supported by Debian. |
| 19:39.41 | abrotman | eh .. apt |
| 19:39.46 | daemonkeeper | Well, yes. |
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| 19:39.56 | eptalon | fenugreek: how would I get 4.6 packages (for about 10-15 packages?) |
| 19:39.58 | abrotman | (honestly, I don't know any linux distro that supports downgrading the whole OS) |
| 19:40.07 | daemonkeeper | eptalon: snapshots.debian.org |
| 19:40.09 | fenugreek | eptalon: you're running sid? |
| 19:40.19 | daemonkeeper | eptalon: Note, downgrading is complicated and not supported at all. |
| 19:40.33 | fenugreek | daemonkeeper: here, you mean? |
| 19:40.33 | eptalon | daemonkeeper: thats what I was trying to sa |
| 19:40.34 | eptalon | y |
| 19:40.54 | eptalon | fenugreek: yes, I am running sid/experimental |
| 19:40.59 | fenugreek | oh you mean from sid to testing |
| 19:41.14 | fenugreek | eptalon: why're you running sid if you don't like bugs? =) |
| 19:41.26 | fenugreek | eptalon: it'd probably actually take less time to just fix 4.8 |
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| 19:41.39 | eptalon | fenugreek: I am running sid/testing; recently (about a week back) sid went XFCE4.6 -> XFCE 4.8. |
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| 19:41.59 | daemonkeeper | fenugreek: no, in general. Downgrading is more complicated than you would imagine. This is why I said, you should well know about apt, since downgrading with apt is error prone. |
| 19:42.00 | eptalon | fenugreek: er sid/experimental |
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| 19:42.14 | juzzy_- | Hi, i've installed debian, and to my dismay, i am unable to find the network-manager, for connecting to my wifi/internet |
| 19:42.18 | fenugreek | daemonkeeper: huh |
| 19:42.23 | fenugreek | I just didn't know that |
| 19:42.48 | abrotman | juzzy_-: which installer did you use? do you have any network at all currently? |
| 19:42.51 | twobitsprite | !tell juzzy_- -about wifi |
| 19:43.03 | babilen | juzzy_-: Install it -- "aptitude search network-manager" -- You probably want network-manager-gnome when you are using Gnome -- read its README.Debian |
| 19:43.05 | fenugreek | daemonkeeper: could you call it merely tedious, if you knew enough? |
| 19:43.11 | babilen | !tell juzzy_- about network-manager |
| 19:43.12 | juzzy_- | i used CD1 of debian ftp. |
| 19:43.22 | juzzy_- | ok |
| 19:43.23 | juzzy_- | 1 tic |
| 19:43.24 | abrotman | juzzy_-: and do you have any wired network currently? |
| 19:43.30 | fenugreek | eptalon: so, automatic mounting in Thunar |
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| 19:43.40 | daemonkeeper | dpkg: tell fenugreek about downgrade |
| 19:43.59 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: it's not supported, if you're very persistent .. it is possible |
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| 19:44.12 | daemonkeeper | abrotman: Didn't say something else. |
| 19:44.19 | eptalon | fenugreek: yes, automunting/manual mounting in thunar. However thunar only displays the error of the underlying vol mgmt. So it's not a thunar issue |
| 19:44.24 | fenugreek | daemonkeeper: wow, that's really surprising (and good to know) |
| 19:44.38 | daemonkeeper | eptalon: You can try to downgrade. You commited to be above average level before, now you can show this :). Basic procedure is: Get old packages, pin version, tweak preferences. You will find tutorials if you carefully search |
| 19:44.44 | fenugreek | abrotman: but how very is very? is it just that it's super tedious, or actually maddeningly confusing? |
| 19:44.53 | abrotman | fenugreek: depends what you're working on |
| 19:45.11 | abrotman | fenugreek: and how far you're trying to downgrade |
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| 19:45.24 | fenugreek | I've just used Gentoo a lot, and downgrading is pretty simple (though potentially tedious) |
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| 19:45.26 | foetus | is filling two usb disks on a hub..exciting |
| 19:45.42 | daemonkeeper | fenugreek: It is risky, since programs usually only support upgrades. Imagine configuration file changes, binary file changes (i.e. say of MySQL daa bases) and so on. Doing a downgrade could mess up your system |
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| 19:46.14 | fenugreek | daemonkeeper: in a way you couldn't easily fix, or? |
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| 19:46.18 | juzzy_- | abrotman, yes, i have a wired network currently. I just tried aptitude search network-manager, and aptitude search network-manager-gnome - with no return information. just a new bash line. |
| 19:46.30 | eptalon | daemonkeeper: If I understood the changes I could try to work out a fix (which would probably be better than downgrading) |
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| 19:46.41 | twobitsprite | juzzy_-: did you read what the bot msged you with? |
| 19:46.41 | juzzy_- | abrotman, i also tried network-manager, and network-manager, but it couldnt find these ? |
| 19:46.46 | nexus6__ | how can i burn the cd iso on a dvd ? any good tool for this? it doesnt work with the windows 7 standard burn programm |
| 19:46.51 | abrotman | juzzy_-: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin please |
| 19:47.13 | twobitsprite | juzzy_-: or, you actually don't have a network-manager icon at all? |
| 19:47.22 | fenugreek | I'll try it sometime in a VM and educate myself |
| 19:47.34 | abrotman | twobitsprite: he said he can't even install it .. did oyu read his problem? |
| 19:47.35 | juzzy_- | yes, no network-manager icon at all. |
| 19:47.43 | abrotman | nexus6__: there has to be a free program to burn an iso |
| 19:47.45 | juzzy_- | i even checked in the widgets for it |
| 19:47.46 | twobitsprite | abrotman: yeah, just read up a bit :P |
| 19:47.47 | juzzy_- | very very odd |
| 19:47.52 | abrotman | juzzy_-: sources.list pasted? |
| 19:47.57 | juzzy_- | im moving away from ubuntu(unity) |
| 19:47.58 | nexus6__ | ok |
| 19:48.03 | fenugreek | nexus6__: try cdburnerxp or imgburn |
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| 19:48.09 | nexus6__ | thank you |
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| 19:48.28 | daemonkeeper | fenugreek: Not at all. Say you use $package 1.0 which uses a binary database to store some data for you. During upgrade this package updates this binary structure to v 2.0. If you would downgrade again, this data is untouched but not known to $program in v1.0, which would result in an unusable package. |
| 19:48.29 | juzzy_- | sources.list pasted? |
| 19:48.36 | fenugreek | nexus6__: or, actually, you _can_ use cdrtools and growisofs on Windows, IIRC, but I'd try those _last_ |
| 19:48.56 | babilen | juzzy_-: Please run "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" in a terminal and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net |
| 19:49.03 | simonlnu | unusable data, but yes |
| 19:49.07 | nexus6__ | i wil ltry imgburn |
| 19:49.13 | juzzy_- | ok |
| 19:49.25 | fenugreek | daemonkeeper: I understand that and that's not surprising |
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| 19:49.45 | rypervenche | What does a keyring do? I'm thinking that I might want to add a password to mine, but I'd like to know more about it. That's what "Passwords and Encryption Keys" is, right? |
| 19:50.03 | juzzy_- | okay will do cheers |
| 19:50.04 | simonlnu | yes |
| 19:50.32 | eptalon | ok. XFCE 4.8 uses udev (or gvfs or gnome-disk-utility) |
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| 19:51.23 | daemonkeeper | fenugreek: This is why Debian/apt does not support downgrades because of such potential pitfalls. To downgrade the actual package by the means Debian has to offer you, you can do it (if you know, what you're doing). However this won't prevent side effect like those I pointed out. |
| 19:51.26 | fenugreek | daemonkeeper: but you're saying it's more than compatibility and acknowledgment of stored data, I assume |
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| 19:51.36 | daemonkeeper | fenugreek: Yes. |
| 19:51.56 | fenugreek | I can see why Debian wouldn't want to "support" it =) |
| 19:51.58 | abrotman | fenugreek: all sorts of things could break .. the downgrades are not anticipated or planned for .. not supported |
| 19:52.15 | fenugreek | okay, that's interesting gonna have to think about that |
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| 19:52.42 | daemonkeeper | However it is _possible_ to downgrade, i.e. you can force apt to downgrade. |
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| 19:52.57 | eptalon | fenugreek: just imagine what happens if a user-changed config file needs to be migrated |
| 19:53.12 | twobitsprite | juzzy_-: (don't forget to give us a link to the paste once you've posted it :) |
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| 19:54.38 | foetus | btw, what are the most important limits of the ext2 filesystem ? |
| 19:54.43 | daemonkeeper | 16TiB |
| 19:55.11 | foetus | daemonkeeper: in size? or per file. |
| 19:55.17 | daemonkeeper | In total |
| 19:55.28 | abrotman | foetus: most important? |
| 19:55.31 | daemonkeeper | fenugreek: Let's put it that way: If you insist obtrusively enough, Debian will downgrade packages for you but results are undefined. |
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| 19:55.48 | abrotman | foetus: wikipedia would probably have a better list of limits |
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| 19:56.17 | foetus | abrotman: will try dpkg.. |
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| 19:57.06 | abrotman | why? |
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| 19:57.59 | caverdude | hello |
| 19:58.22 | babilen | juzzy_-: Are you still with us? |
| 19:58.29 | foetus | abrotman: i use it on removable media. |
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| 19:58.42 | abrotman | uh okay |
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| 19:59.15 | foetus | will try wikipedia--why not.. |
| 19:59.26 | fenugreek | eptalon: well in Gentoo you're notified of every config file change, AFAIK, and given the choice to use new, old, or manually merge |
| 19:59.37 | fenugreek | daemonkeeper: okay |
| 19:59.48 | fenugreek | it's neat when you learn something new =) |
| 19:59.52 | fenugreek | caverdude: hiyo |
| 20:00.15 | abrotman | foetus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext2 |
| 20:00.37 | eptalon | fenugreek: debian does similarly. however its up ot you to read up on the changes |
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| 20:00.58 | daemonkeeper | (For the records: file system /limits/ apply for ext3 and ext4 as well) |
| 20:01.00 | rudi_s | etckeeper is also quite useful for managing changes to /etc. |
| 20:01.06 | rudi_s | !etckeeper |
| 20:01.29 | cavemanlg | how do I check for a new version update for an installed package on debian? |
| 20:01.59 | fenugreek | eptalon: ah, okay =) |
| 20:02.23 | ompaul | cavemanlg: get them all in one go, aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 20:02.25 | dkr | cavemanlg: aptitude -u |
| 20:02.39 | cavemanlg | ok |
| 20:02.54 | cavemanlg | oh cool, thanks |
| 20:03.15 | dkr | then capital U to select all that are available for upgrade |
| 20:03.20 | foetus | looks good - filesize <=2TB, filesystem size <=16TB (thanks daemonkeeper, you're right) |
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| 20:03.43 | eptalon | foetus: what were you looking for? |
| 20:03.45 | foetus | and - thanks abrotman ;) |
| 20:04.01 | CQ | hello, fstab doesn't seem to like the "user" option anymore ... any ideas?? |
| 20:05.20 | foetus | is reading the wikipedia article.. |
| 20:06.07 | ompaul | CQ: pastebin your fstab in case we can see something else, might be useful |
| 20:06.13 | eptalon | foetus: different filesystems are optimised for different things |
| 20:06.45 | daemonkeeper | But the 16 TiB limit starts to be boring. |
| 20:06.50 | CQ | ompaul: I think I have it... nothing special, it probably doesn't like the user option in combination with the auto option... for fd0 it's still OK, and that has noauto |
| 20:07.23 | CQ | ompaul: just mounting a shared folder in a vbox guest |
| 20:07.23 | bronaugh | daemonkeeper: speaking of ext4? |
| 20:07.33 | daemonkeeper | bronaugh: Including ext4, yes. |
| 20:07.36 | ompaul | CQ: no idea about vbox |
| 20:08.14 | bronaugh | daemonkeeper: ok. jfs, xfs, btrfs, don't seem to have any such limitation. |
| 20:08.15 | rypervenche | I mount shared folders in my VMs. Especiall now that I'm using OSE and cannot use USB drives. |
| 20:08.30 | eptalon | daemonkeeper: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFS; 16 exabytes (10e18) volsize |
| 20:09.06 | daemonkeeper | bronaugh: Unfortunately btrfs is not production ready yet. |
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| 20:09.35 | bronaugh | daemonkeeper: yeah. so I have heard. I'm currently using xfs, and it sucks. |
| 20:09.56 | thewanderer1 | what's the maximum number of users in a group? |
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| 20:10.15 | nexus6__ | at the debian installation i can choose a graphical interface (gnome, KDE, Xfce, none), which is best for lowend maschines? |
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| 20:10.53 | bronaugh | daemonkeeper: there's also nilfs |
| 20:10.56 | eptalon | nexus6__: as in? |
| 20:11.05 | nexus6__ | for a netbook |
| 20:11.14 | nexus6__ | 1000 mhz, 265mb ram |
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| 20:11.21 | eptalon | nexus6__: KDE/Gnome use a lot of resources, XFCE uses a little less.. |
| 20:11.23 | thewanderer1 | nexus6__: LXDE |
| 20:11.25 | fenugreek | nilfs? =P |
| 20:11.35 | babilen | nexus6__: LXDE++ |
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| 20:11.42 | fenugreek | is lxde an install-time option? |
| 20:12.02 | thewanderer1 | nexus6__: tried that on the same specs, works well. also, get a good browser like Chromium (faster than Firefox) or Arora (need to test, haven't checked for a long time) |
| 20:12.03 | eptalon | fenugreek: haven't seen it |
| 20:12.03 | fenugreek | for a netbook I'd want something keyboard driven anyways |
| 20:12.21 | thewanderer1 | fenugreek: what for? netbooks have horrible keyboards :P |
| 20:12.24 | nexus6__ | i dont have LXDE in the option. so i will go for Xfce i suppose? |
| 20:12.35 | Captain_Haddock | nexus6__: you can change later. |
| 20:12.35 | babilen | !install lxde |
| 20:12.35 | dpkg | To install <LXDE> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: aptitude install lxde . To install using Debian-Installer (if not using LXDE CD-1): Squeeze: from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > LXDE > Install" ; Lenny: press the Tab key at d-i's boot prompt, then include desktop=lxde in the boot options. |
| 20:12.36 | abrotman | nexus6__: choose none, install it later with aptitude |
| 20:12.40 | fenugreek | thewanderer1: because they have even horribler touchpads and no mice =P |
| 20:12.42 | daemonkeeper | bronaugh: I'll wait for btrfs and hope it will competing to ZFS. |
| 20:12.56 | abrotman | fenugreek: i wanted one with a trackpoint .. i gave up |
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| 20:13.14 | fenugreek | abrotman: yeah odd they don't have those |
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| 20:13.26 | abrotman | fenugreek: i assume patent related nonsense |
| 20:13.33 | fenugreek | maybe |
| 20:13.40 | fenugreek | aren't thinkpad trackpoints ps/2 based? |
| 20:13.45 | fenugreek | it might be a usb-only notion |
| 20:13.50 | bronaugh | daemonkeeper: yeah, there is zfs on linux too. |
| 20:13.57 | bronaugh | though it seems to be rather feature-incomplete atm. |
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| 20:14.03 | daemonkeeper | bronaugh: Not realiable. The Linux ports just suck. |
| 20:14.06 | abrotman | fenugreek: no idea, i have one on my newer thinkpad |
| 20:14.06 | eptalon | bronaugh: with horrible perofrmance |
| 20:14.14 | fenugreek | abrotman: I think they are |
| 20:14.18 | daemonkeeper | bronaugh: kfreebsd is promising. |
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| 20:14.24 | fenugreek | but c'mon, give the people what they want |
| 20:14.24 | abrotman | fenugreek: i can't imagine they're still that way |
| 20:14.49 | bronaugh | daemonkeeper: got a friend who's using zfs on freebsd. he reports that it's less than wonderful. |
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| 20:15.03 | abrotman | fenugreek: going with no, they offer them on usb keyboards |
| 20:15.18 | daemonkeeper | bronaugh: Got no problems so far, of course Solaris/OI is still another level |
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| 20:15.41 | fenugreek | abrotman: I'm not sure that's definitive |
| 20:15.56 | fenugreek | I don't mean the connector, obviously |
| 20:15.57 | foetus | (back)interesting article. not a bad choice in point of velocity. features are ok, good for removable media, imho. i'll give it a try. |
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| 20:16.18 | eptalon | foetus: xfs? |
| 20:16.24 | barmagnet | what is the difference between /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab? |
| 20:16.27 | abrotman | fenugreek: i know .. |
| 20:16.35 | abrotman | barmagnet: mtab is for mounted devices |
| 20:16.37 | fenugreek | #geekhack would know |
| 20:16.43 | barmagnet | and fstab? |
| 20:16.43 | foetus | eptalon: no. ext2fs. |
| 20:16.46 | abrotman | would imagine mtab/fstab have man pages |
| 20:17.10 | eptalon | foetus: if you do, go with at least ext3, if not ext4. |
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| 20:17.30 | eptalon | foetus: ext3 adds journaling |
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| 20:18.32 | bronaugh | daemonkeeper: seems to basically require 4GB RAM, and that w/o dedup enabled. |
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| 20:18.42 | eptalon | foetus: this means that when your system crashes, check is done faster |
| 20:19.34 | daemonkeeper | bronaugh: Well, if you use $evil_operating_system just because of ZFS you probably have a storage beast anyway, so 4 GiB RAM is no challenge. |
| 20:19.49 | foetus | eptalon: yes, i use ext3 always.. for system partitions and risky data. i use it since the old SuSE 7.0 days (oops..) |
| 20:19.59 | fenugreek | and what about btrfs? |
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| 20:20.29 | daemonkeeper | As said before, not rady yet |
| 20:20.32 | daemonkeeper | *ready |
| 20:20.35 | eptalon | foetus: I use ext4 for boot volume, and xfs on all other (/,/usr,/var,/home) volumes |
| 20:20.37 | foetus | ext2fs for removable media only, like sticks or similar. |
| 20:20.45 | bronaugh | daemonkeeper: heh. |
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| 20:21.13 | foetus | eptalon: what are the pros for using xfs? |
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| 20:22.20 | eptalon | foetus: its more tested/older than ext2/3; it offers bigger file/volume sizes, and can be tuned for media playback. |
| 20:22.31 | daemonkeeper | And it is more risky. |
| 20:22.42 | eptalon | daemonkeeper: in what way? |
| 20:22.46 | fenugreek | it's designed for hardware you can't afford |
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| 20:23.17 | tdn | I would like the default permission of files created inside my homedir to be 0600 or 0640 and dirs to be 0700 or 0740. How do I make it so? |
| 20:23.18 | daemonkeeper | XFS really dislikes power outages and leaves you with a risk of file system corruption. |
| 20:23.27 | eptalon | foetus: downside: it really doesn't like unexpected power failure. |
| 20:23.35 | foetus | is looking after usbhd.. |
| 20:24.11 | bronaugh | daemonkeeper: risk? |
| 20:24.33 | eptalon | bronaugh: as stated, power failure. |
| 20:24.37 | bronaugh | daemonkeeper: the -risk- is of the filesystem's metadata getting hosed. the -certainty- is that any data that's in use when the machine reboots is going to be hosed. |
| 20:24.49 | bronaugh | I dislike XFS. I really do. |
| 20:25.46 | eptalon | bronaugh: unless you get copy on write you will have a hard time avoiding those risks |
| 20:26.22 | fenugreek | http://zork.net/~nick/mail/why-reiserfs-is-teh-sukc covers it a little |
| 20:26.53 | fenugreek | third paragraph in particular |
| 20:26.57 | bronaugh | eptalon: at least it's probablistic with ext3/4 |
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| 20:27.16 | foetus | you mean, the data get lost by / after powersave? |
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| 20:27.53 | fenugreek | and this is why people buy UPSes, despite how annoying they are |
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| 20:28.27 | foetus | thats serious. |
| 20:28.31 | SparFux | Hi. To get ISO 8601 date format output, I read I should use locale setting LC_TIME=en_DK.UTF-8, but it doesn't seem to work. The ls -l output is still in en_US locale. |
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| 20:29.01 | eptalon | foetus: What we say: if you use XFS, invest in an UPS, because there is no guarantee that data that was in use at the time of the power failure is still usable, if there at all. |
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| 20:29.51 | eptalon | though the darkness is not as dark as we say it is. |
| 20:29.52 | caverdude | hey guys, I think my debian install is using gnu Java and I want it to use, sun java instead, so I"m doing apt-get unistall something and then |
| 20:29.55 | foetus | eptalon: ok. thanks for information. |
| 20:30.01 | thewanderer1 | `sane-find-scanner` finds my scanner. `scanimage -L` hangs to infinity. so do all GUI scanning programs. what do I do? |
| 20:30.12 | fenugreek | thewanderer1: what model scanner? |
| 20:30.19 | foetus | i better deal with ext2. |
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| 20:30.32 | thewanderer1 | fenugreek: HP PhotoSmart C4480 |
| 20:30.45 | bronaugh | eptalon: my experience is that UPSes fail after something less than 50000 hours. |
| 20:30.48 | bronaugh | often in weird ways. |
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| 20:30.59 | bronaugh | like.. cutting off power to your server spontaneously. |
| 20:31.00 | caverdude | looks like i have java-gcj |
| 20:31.06 | fenugreek | thewanderer1: you should be using hplip |
| 20:31.09 | caverdude | I'll just use apptitude |
| 20:31.19 | thewanderer1 | fenugreek: I am... it worked until today |
| 20:31.22 | eptalon | bronaugh: you have to take risks in life, you know. |
| 20:31.26 | fenugreek | thewanderer1: what'd you do today? |
| 20:31.37 | thewanderer1 | fenugreek: nothing much... just rebooted recently |
| 20:31.40 | eptalon | Even Charlie took a risk by marrying Katie |
| 20:31.41 | bronaugh | eptalon: yes. but it's always a cost/benefit analysis. |
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| 20:31.52 | fenugreek | thewanderer1: and before then, how long had it been since you rebooted? |
| 20:32.03 | bronaugh | eptalon: xfs always loses in a cost benefit analysis for filesystems less than 16TB when you consider risk of data loss due to fairly ordinary factors. |
| 20:32.13 | thewanderer1 | fenugreek: 1 day I guess... does this matter? |
| 20:32.19 | bronaugh | eptalon: UPSes can be a win or a loss depending on quality of power at your location. |
| 20:32.36 | eptalon | bronaugh: so what do you recommend? |
| 20:32.40 | fenugreek | thewanderer1: it's possible you replaced/updated/removed software earlier and continued to use it, until you rebooted and it was truly lost |
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| 20:32.56 | fenugreek | because of how awesome Unix is |
| 20:33.03 | thewanderer1 | um hmm... |
| 20:33.06 | bronaugh | eptalon: a) don't use xfs, b) do redundant power if you actually care about your machine not powering off randomly |
| 20:33.09 | eptalon | bronaugh: I do have high-quality-power |
| 20:33.17 | Eightamrock | Hey guys what is the security risk of chown apache:wheel on a web accessible directory? |
| 20:33.26 | bronaugh | then you can put one of the PSUs on UPS and other on line power. |
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| 20:33.36 | bronaugh | reduces risk of failure to "vanishingly small" |
| 20:33.54 | bronaugh | mind you, any kind of independent power feed will get you that. |
| 20:34.05 | thewanderer1 | oh. I see. I've installed GNOME lately. I wonder what kind of evil stuff it has done... |
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| 20:34.48 | nexus6__ | what kind of error in the installation process is this? "EDD: E 8000 ' 238" |
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| 20:35.20 | thewanderer1 | bleh. I try to remove avahi and it's taking whole GNOME :P |
| 20:35.25 | foetus | data loss by changing power state is a little bit too risky to me and not applicable to removable media, imho. |
| 20:35.35 | fenugreek | thewanderer1: using aptitude? |
| 20:35.38 | thewanderer1 | no, apt |
| 20:35.45 | fenugreek | huh |
| 20:35.52 | thewanderer1 | lil bugger is trying to be wise, like aptitude |
| 20:35.53 | foetus | but interesting filesystem, for sure. |
| 20:35.59 | fenugreek | thewanderer1: you might just walk through the hplip install and config again |
| 20:36.10 | thewanderer1 | I never did that in the first place |
| 20:36.21 | thewanderer1 | Debian did everything for me :P |
| 20:36.24 | fenugreek | I used aptitude for something over VNC for my sister's box once and it really went crazy |
| 20:36.27 | fenugreek | luckily noticed in time |
| 20:36.43 | fenugreek | thewanderer1: well it's just hp-setup, really |
| 20:36.57 | thewanderer1 | let's see how it works without Avahi anyway |
| 20:37.23 | thewanderer1 | oh great. "Failed to kill daemon: timer expired". how cool is that? a daemon that never dies :P |
| 20:37.34 | fenugreek | typical demon =P |
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| 20:38.19 | babilen | fenugreek: aptitude never does anything you don't want it to do. Unexpected behaviour is due to lack of knowledge or a failure to communicate your wishes. |
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| 20:38.24 | Xd1374 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:38.44 | ssjdiaklrsj | ... |
| 20:38.55 | ssjdiaklrsj | !help |
| 20:38.56 | AwesomezGuy | who highlighted me? |
| 20:39.05 | h2mster | i did |
| 20:39.06 | babilen | AwesomezGuy: Relax, just spam |
| 20:39.11 | h2mster | lo |
| 20:39.13 | ssjdiaklrsj | !ops |
| 20:39.13 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 20:39.14 | AwesomezGuy | cool |
| 20:39.16 | SpeedyG | AwesomezGuy: some spammer, just go back to sleep ;) |
| 20:39.30 | ssjdiaklrsj | oh he's gone |
| 20:39.59 | dkr | "mass highlight ignore" is a nifty plugin, :) |
| 20:40.06 | thewanderer1 | alright. removed Avahi, now stuff is working again. this shouldn't be included in the default GNOME task, really :/ |
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| 20:42.16 | eptalon | how do I enable page logging for a cups printer? |
| 20:42.26 | eptalon | (postscript) |
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| 20:43.58 | foetus | has successfully filled a wd elements drive with 28GB data using ext2->ext2 |
| 20:45.29 | foetus | np, and *very* fast. |
| 20:46.17 | eptalon | foetus: usb3? |
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| 20:49.38 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: hmm... http://www.cups.org/documentation.php/ref-cupsd-conf.html - PreserveJobFiles |
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| 20:50.34 | foetus | eptalon: no usb 2.0 standard. this wil be an option in the future. |
| 20:50.45 | foetus | *will |
| 20:51.44 | foetus | is using a small chinese keyboard out of a pet shop.. |
| 20:51.50 | foetus | :) |
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| 20:52.06 | ompaul | foetus: lemote? |
| 20:53.29 | foetus | btw, how do i disable an usb port before unplugging the device? |
| 20:53.47 | mordocai_work | foetus: command line or GUI? |
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| 20:54.00 | foetus | mordocai_work: shell |
| 20:54.15 | mordocai_work | foetus: umount /dev/<usb drive> or umount <mount directory> |
| 20:54.33 | foetus | mordocai_work: ^^ |
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| 20:55.21 | foetus | umount is not disabling the usb port. |
| 20:55.41 | foetus | would be nice.. |
| 20:55.58 | mordocai_work | By "disable the usb port" do you mean like cut power to it? or what? |
| 20:56.18 | Agiofws | hi |
| 20:56.25 | Agiofws | hey is it possible to boot a net book off a network live cd on another host of my lan ? |
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| 20:57.39 | albech | im a little puzzled why exim is a dependency of mysql-server? |
| 20:57.56 | daemonkeeper | Its not exim, but mail-transfer-agent |
| 20:58.05 | daemonkeeper | exim is chosen as first choice |
| 20:58.07 | mordocai_work | Agiofws: yes, I believe so. I think you can follow the network boot instructions linked here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst and then use a live .iso instead of a install .iso. |
| 20:58.34 | albech | daemonkeeper, so if i install ssmtp first it shouldnt install exim? |
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| 20:58.44 | Agiofws | use a live .iso instead of a install .iso. ? |
| 20:58.47 | Agiofws | oh ok ... |
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| 20:58.59 | foetus | mordocai_work: like 'disable device' , power off device..if i umount the hd, the hd is on.. i would like to turn the hd off before i unplug the hd. |
| 20:59.15 | Agiofws | mordocai_work, its better than ahiving to make your own live usb stick ? |
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| 20:59.31 | daemonkeeper | albech: whatever provides mail-transfer-agent is fine |
| 20:59.48 | mordocai_work | foetus: Hmm... I don't think there really is a way. i think that might be at the hardware level. |
| 20:59.49 | albech | daemonkeeper, thx, will look into that |
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| 21:00.07 | trurl | hi |
| 21:00.08 | mordocai_work | Agiofws: personally, i think making a liveusb stick would be easier then getting network booting setup. |
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| 21:00.18 | juzzy_ | HELP! all my file folder try to open with gedit text editor! |
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| 21:00.50 | foetus | mordocai_work: ok. thanks anyway. searching for a solution. |
| 21:01.37 | foetus | is unplugging his hd.. |
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| 21:02.34 | dtcrshr | hello! iv installed apache, mysql and a bunch of web apps, but phpmyadmin isnt working... iv noticed that the folder alias in apache2.conf for phpmyadmin isnt there, do i need to create it by hand, or apt-get should do this? |
| 21:02.49 | foetus | must look after the deb mirror.. |
| 21:02.49 | cavemanlg | ok I just installed sun jdk 6 and when I type java -version at the command line it is still giving me gnu java |
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| 21:02.55 | cavemanlg | whats up with that? |
| 21:02.57 | cavemanlg | hmm |
| 21:03.06 | cavemanlg | I thought I had uninstalled that too |
| 21:03.16 | trurl | I switched from lenny 32bit to squeeze 64bit. Same hardware, same software, the average load increased from 0.0 to 3-4. Any ideas where to begin my search? The moment i start ts3 (a voice chat) something is borked. on lenny, everything was fine. |
| 21:03.35 | babilen | !tell cavemanlg -about update-java-alternatives |
| 21:03.59 | foetus | looks good. mirror complete. so, lets try ext2fs again. |
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| 21:04.38 | cavemanlg | is this a debian command? update-java-alternatives? |
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| 21:04.50 | babilen | yes |
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| 21:05.09 | foetus | is checking the mirror for errors.. |
| 21:05.11 | cavemanlg | nice |
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| 21:05.19 | babilen | cavemanlg: Read what dpkg told you |
| 21:05.27 | cavemanlg | I was reading it |
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| 21:05.40 | babilen | Ah, ok :) |
| 21:06.13 | babilen | cavemanlg: btw, why Sun's java and not openjdk? |
| 21:06.34 | cavemanlg | because its what I'm used to working with |
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| 21:07.17 | babilen | !opanjdk |
| 21:07.21 | babilen | !openjdk |
| 21:07.21 | dpkg | OpenJDK is the open source release of <Java> from Sun Microsystems (now Oracle America). All required functionality (according to the J2SE spec) is present, but some optional stuff is missing and some stuff uses different implementations from Oracle's binary JDK. Install the openjdk-6-jre package for the runtime environment or openjdk-6-jdk for the development kit. http://openjdk.java.net/ #openjdk on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 21:07.41 | foetus | mirror clean. lets copy the bag.. |
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| 21:07.55 | cavemanlg | thanks that worked |
| 21:07.57 | ompaul | trurl: it isn't a debian package I guess you need to go to the teamspeak website and see if it is a known problem |
| 21:07.59 | boudiccas | How do I uninstall libreoffice under debian 6 please? |
| 21:08.21 | trurl | ompaul: i did. no result so far |
| 21:08.22 | karlpinc | I've upgraded from lenny to squeeze and want to upgrade postgresql from 8.3 (lenny) to 8.4 (squeeze). I've followed the README.Debian instructions. But now when I try to run psql I'm running the 8.3 version and not the 8.4 version and it can't connect to my new (running) 8.4 db. What do I do? I want to leave 8.3 installed until I know 8.4 is working. (And until I can restore some postgis enabled 8.3 database dumps.) |
| 21:08.24 | babilen | boudiccas: aptitude remove/purge applicable packages |
| 21:08.28 | rypervenche | boudiccas: It's pretty much the same thing. I wouldn't worry about it until they add it. |
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| 21:09.12 | trurl | ompaul: since the hardware/voice-chat-sw is the same, i thought _maybe_ this could be a debian issue ;) But i simply dont know |
| 21:09.25 | ompaul | trurl: problem is their software may not be built for debian 64bit so you may want to start from that perspective - the software is not the same |
| 21:09.28 | karlpinc | There does not seem to be anything in update-alternatives except man pages. |
| 21:09.28 | babilen | boudiccas: How did you install it? |
| 21:10.33 | becker | Hi I've managed to mount my usb key which is located on /dev/sdb to /media/usb_key but now I need to wipe the key and install and iso image on it whats the easiest way to wipe it clean? |
| 21:10.43 | boudiccas | babilen, using dkpg, but your 'aptitude remove' is workign well |
| 21:10.44 | trurl | ompaul: their sw is not specific to a distri. its the same binary :( |
| 21:10.59 | babilen | karlpinc: Do they listen on different ports? Try setting PGPORT="..." is that is the case |
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| 21:11.20 | ompaul | trurl: seems to be across several plaforms well then try a 32bit squeeze and that is where I stop with that advice they have to build it not us support random builds against who knows what |
| 21:11.20 | babilen | boudiccas: You mean you downloaded the packages manually and installed them with "dpkg -i" ? |
| 21:12.04 | boudiccas | babilen, yes |
| 21:12.16 | daemon_mum | i was scared youd say make |
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| 21:13.38 | trurl | ompaul: yeah, they'll say the same. catch 22. im not pointing to anyone here, i'm only trying to find the problem and fix it. |
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| 21:14.10 | ompaul | trurl: problem is not here, they have not built against squeeze, it doesn't work the other way |
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| 21:14.47 | ompaul | trurl: or rather if you make that work you may not be able to upgrade |
| 21:15.17 | ompaul | security fixes and the like may be lost due to stupidities required to make that software work |
| 21:15.53 | becker | Do I need to wipe a usb_key before using DD to copy an iso image over to it?? |
| 21:15.55 | karlpinc | babilen: The 8.3 cluster is down. I'm only running the 8.4 cluster. It's running through a socket. It seems if I use the PGCLUSTER environment variable I can get to it and run the postgis upgrade database reload script. But I get errors. |
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| 21:16.18 | trurl | ompaul: the software works. everything is finde except the high average load |
| 21:16.26 | karlpinc | The postgis upgrade procecedure does not seem to sync with Debian's postgresql upgrade procedure very well. |
| 21:16.41 | rww | becker: no |
| 21:17.03 | babilen | karlpinc: Bummer, I did not play with postgis ... And I guess there is nothing in the README.Debian about a Debian blessed postgis update procedure? |
| 21:17.25 | becker | thanks rww |
| 21:18.19 | karlpinc | babilen: The postgis README.debian seems to be the stock postgis README. Which is strange. There's no README. |
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| 21:19.04 | babilen | karlpinc: GARG! Ok, guess we'll have to look at the actual errors. Not sure if migrating this to #postgresql is a good idea :-\ --who's the maintainer? |
| 21:19.25 | babilen | ,maintainer postgresql-8.4-postgis |
| 21:19.27 | judd | Package postgis version 1.5.2-1 was uploaded by Francesco Paolo Lovergine on 2011-03-24, last changed by Alan Boudreault and maintained by Debian GIS Project. |
| 21:19.34 | ompaul | trurl: well then you worked out the package is broken go beg they fix it |
| 21:19.44 | karlpinc | babilen: Fortuneatly there's no real important data. But I want to get it right for when I have to upgrade a box with important data. |
| 21:19.53 | babilen | karlpinc: #debian-gis on oftc ... |
| 21:20.17 | babilen | karlpinc: Or try their ML -- This is something that should be documented IMHO |
| 21:20.23 | ompaul | trurl: to give them useful data try netstat jnettop and various disk i/o items and the like |
| 21:20.27 | karlpinc | babilen: I think #postgresql is not right. The won't care about the debianized upgrade procedure (which works great) would they? |
| 21:20.41 | babilen | karlpinc: Likely |
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| 21:21.19 | babilen | karlpinc: It is just an overall helpful channel, but we can't blame them if they tell us "works here, ask Debian" :) |
| 21:21.28 | karlpinc | babilen: yes. |
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| 21:22.39 | becker | loving the command line this morning. Under pressure due to time and its showing me just how much I've remembered from all the other times I've had to fix things |
| 21:22.44 | karlpinc | babilen: Really, the postgis upgrade procedure itself is wonky. It runs a script against an entire db dump. They seem to have some new stuff in postgis (i don't know about the debian package). But they probably don't care because they plan a 2.0 release that will make everything easier. |
| 21:23.05 | babilen | hooray :-( |
| 21:23.39 | karlpinc | babilen: The new postgis upgrade scripts don't seem documented. :-( |
| 21:23.45 | babilen | karlpinc: Well, I would discuss this in #debian-gis or on their ML -- There *has* to be a way to upgrade postgis DBs from lenny to squeeze |
| 21:23.58 | karlpinc | babilen: #debian-gis |
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| 21:24.48 | babilen | yes (irc.debian.net / oftc) |
| 21:24.50 | Reiko2 | yes (irc.debian.net / oftc) |
| 21:25.03 | babilen | Reiko2: wtf? |
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| 21:27.09 | abrotman | yes (hi) |
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| 21:28.12 | babilen | hmm (no.idea.net / really) |
| 21:28.15 | ompaul | no (what was that ../_ ) |
| 21:29.05 | tblamer | imitation is the sincerest form of flattery |
| 21:29.06 | ompaul | you'd swear that was planned |
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| 21:30.01 | abrotman | yes (foo / bar) |
| 21:30.05 | abrotman | oh well |
| 21:30.22 | thewanderer1 | hey, I'm getting loads of crap about inode dump in dmesg. what can it be? |
| 21:30.46 | karlpinc | babilen: I mean I'm going there. I wrote some stuff. We'll see if somebody replies. Thanks. |
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| 21:31.07 | thewanderer1 | part of the messages: http://paste.debian.net/115511/ |
| 21:31.12 | babilen | karlpinc: I saw it -- It is not the busiest of channels, but the most focused I could think of. |
| 21:32.04 | karlpinc | babilen: I'm off to chat for a moment in #postgis regarding another upgrade issue. Maybe I'll get some help on this too. |
| 21:32.15 | babilen | good luck! |
| 21:32.58 | nexus6__ | can anyone help me. i got stuck installing debian on a very old notebook. black screen with white letters : "EDD: E 8000 ' 238" |
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| 21:35.53 | karlpinc | nexus6__: You'll have to tell us what you did to get that, when it shows up, etc. |
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| 21:36.35 | foetus | is advising ext2fs for usb media. |
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| 21:40.07 | nexus6__ | well i inserted the debian boot cd -> booted -> install that it. then the error shows up |
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| 21:40.26 | ompaul | nexus6__: what was the error? |
| 21:40.43 | lfs | Does Debian support dual monitor display? |
| 21:40.45 | nexus6__ | EDD: E 8000 ' 238 |
| 21:40.51 | lfs | Ive been reading somewhere that it's massively broken |
| 21:41.04 | nexus6__ | EDD: E 8000 ' 22438 |
| 21:41.42 | ompaul | nexus6__: how old is this box? |
| 21:41.47 | rww | lfs: works fine for me |
| 21:41.57 | nexus6__ | p3 1000 mhz , 265 mb :) |
| 21:41.58 | lfs | ah good |
| 21:42.12 | nexus6__ | maybe 7 years + |
| 21:42.25 | ironm | good evening - is it possible to create an install usb stick using a dvd image like http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-6.0.1a-amd64-DVD-1.iso? (simply to boot/install from the usb-stick instead from the DVD) - thank you in advanc for any hints |
| 21:42.31 | ompaul | nexus6__: and what did you try to put on it - which version of debian? |
| 21:42.42 | nexus6__ | the cd1 |
| 21:42.57 | ironm | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-6.0.1a-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 21:42.58 | ompaul | nexus6__: version? |
| 21:43.11 | Agiofws | is ther a channel for netbook distro ? |
| 21:43.14 | ironm | 6.0.1a-amd64 |
| 21:43.24 | Agiofws | or is there a netbook distro even ? |
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| 21:43.55 | Agiofws | or whats a good live distro to get onto a live usb stick ? |
| 21:44.05 | nexus6__ | i installed debian-6.0.1a-i386-CD-1.iso |
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| 21:44.37 | nexus6__ | ompaul: or could it be that it still installing? |
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| 21:45.43 | ompaul | nexus6__: that does not look right, and searching the net it does not appear as a fail message on install |
| 21:46.07 | nexus6__ | well so you think i should just wait a bit? |
| 21:46.18 | ompaul | nexus6__: did you use the "console" (not graphic) install |
| 21:46.22 | ironm | good evening - is it possible to create an install usb stick using a dvd image like http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-6.0.1a-amd64-DVD-1.iso? (simply to boot/install from the usb-stick instead from the DVD) - thank you in advanc for any hints |
| 21:46.35 | nexus6__ | yes because the graphical didnt work |
| 21:46.39 | nexus6__ | i suppose |
| 21:47.10 | daemonkeeper | ironm: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/ch04s03.html.en Is too easy for you? |
| 21:47.10 | ompaul | ironm: although your message may have scrolled off your screen mine is large enough to see both please wait 12-15 mins before asking again ;-) |
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| 21:47.23 | daemonkeeper | *to |
| 21:47.51 | ironm | thank you omes and daemoke |
| 21:48.04 | ompaul | nexus6__: crtl alt F1-F6 give any useful information |
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| 21:48.30 | nexus6__ | nothing happens |
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| 21:49.03 | ompaul | nexus6__: there should be other signs of life - how did you check the validity of the image that you downloaded? |
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| 21:49.25 | ironm | good description daemonkeeper - thank you |
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| 21:51.00 | trurl | what would be the best way to switch from the pre-selected exim4 to postfix? simply remove exim4 and install postfix? |
| 21:51.01 | tpo | is www.backports.org dead? I can't seem to be able to connect to it (port 80) |
| 21:51.17 | trurl | squeeze, sorry |
| 21:51.56 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell tpo about bdo |
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| 21:52.12 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:52.43 | jelly-home | trurl: don't remote anything (explicitely), just install postdix |
| 21:52.43 | nexus6__ | well i didnt really check it @ompaul |
| 21:52.57 | trurl | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 21:53.08 | jelly-home | without the typos, even |
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| 21:53.21 | ompaul | nexus6__: that might be your first call - although a seven year old machine is on very long legs already and might just give up the ghost tomorrow |
| 21:53.30 | trurl | postdix... interesting ;) |
| 21:53.41 | nexus6__ | well it has win xp on it but i dont like windows :(( |
| 21:53.42 | ompaul | trurl: so my typo |
| 21:53.52 | tpo | so backports.org went out of comission? Thanks jelly-home and ompaul |
| 21:54.05 | jelly-home | tpo: have you read what dpkg told you? |
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| 21:54.35 | tpo | jelly-home, yes |
| 21:54.36 | jelly-home | it's just renamed and become a supported service |
| 21:55.01 | ompaul | nexus6__: then go get your downloaded version md5sum checked and start again if needs be |
| 21:55.18 | bronaugh | ok, I've gotta ask again. |
| 21:55.34 | tpo | ok, strange that it's not reachable anymore under it's old name... (it resolves though) |
| 21:55.40 | ironm | daemonkeeper, would it be possible to put two DVD images on one USB stick (e.g. 8GB big one for DVD1 and DVD2 of debian 6.0.1a) ? |
| 21:55.44 | bronaugh | has anyone here experienced jobs working on NFS-mounted files deadlocking? |
| 21:56.03 | daemonkeeper | ironm: Why? The 200M netinst image is enough |
| 21:56.18 | thewanderer1 | ,file mount.vfat |
| 21:56.23 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 21:56.36 | ompaul | bronaugh: only when connections went away - when cross mounted it just got crazy so I bought much bigger platters |
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| 21:56.55 | ironm | because I would like to install off-line daemonkeeper |
| 21:56.55 | bronaugh | ompaul: ok, since I have a cross-mounted configuration here... tell me more. |
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| 21:57.07 | daemonkeeper | ironm: Still 200M is enough for that purpose |
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| 21:57.21 | thewanderer1 | I can't mount a FAT32 filesystem. it's valid, but mount returns the usual error message about codepage... what gives? |
| 21:57.47 | jhutchins_lt | bronaugh: That's pretty common unless you have perfect nfs. |
| 21:58.00 | bronaugh | jhutchins_lt: you're fucking kidding me. |
| 21:58.22 | ompaul | bronaugh: simple stuff would just go away if the network showed any problems, and never self restore, so then a box would lockup fully an be pretty useless until rebooted but due to the way the mounting took place it used to mess up more than one server eventually I stopped the cross mounting |
| 21:58.25 | daemonkeeper | s/fucking// |
| 21:58.28 | ironm | daemonkeeper, well .. if I would all the stuff on 8 debian's DVDs I would need a big usb stick like 32GB |
| 21:58.40 | ironm | + need |
| 21:59.11 | bronaugh | ompaul: so this is related to packet droppage then. |
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| 21:59.17 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: that one is builtin. what "usual error"? |
| 21:59.17 | bronaugh | ompaul: at least in an oblique way. |
| 21:59.21 | daemonkeeper | ironm: There is no reason to do that. Really. Unless you have a system which is completely detached from the Internet, you don't even need the full DVD image. |
| 21:59.25 | ompaul | bronaugh: more or less |
| 21:59.30 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sde1 blah blah blah |
| 21:59.35 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: are you using a custom kernel? |
| 21:59.44 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: no, just OpenVZ from the repo |
| 22:00.11 | bronaugh | ompaul: I switched to tcp to try and avoid this problem; made no diff. |
| 22:00.22 | ompaul | bronaugh: been there |
| 22:00.24 | bronaugh | ompaul: to me that suggests it's probably -not- directly related to dropped packets ore packet errors. |
| 22:00.27 | thewanderer1 | [186838.282192] FAT: codepage cp437 not found this is the only thing that follows |
| 22:00.34 | bronaugh | ompaul: race conditions are possible. |
| 22:00.56 | ironm | my expereince is that for off-line installations (depends on packages I want to install) I have required mostly all DVD images *_* @ daemonkeeper |
| 22:00.58 | ompaul | bronaugh: hey I'm not going back to the network problems I had two years ago just to test stuff for ya ;-) |
| 22:00.59 | bronaugh | currently the connection's totally wedged. no data going back and forth over NFS. |
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| 22:01.03 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: so modprobe the relevant module, nls_cp437 |
| 22:01.12 | daemonkeeper | ironm: Make your USB pen drive boot the ~200M netinst image, which can, despite its name, install a full featured Debian without network connectivity. |
| 22:01.13 | bronaugh | ompaul: not asking you to. I'm just curious here. |
| 22:01.19 | ompaul | bronaugh: NFS is a dog ;-) |
| 22:01.24 | bronaugh | ompaul: since it sounds like you had pretty similar issues. |
| 22:01.31 | bronaugh | ompaul: did you replace nfs with something less useless? if so, what? |
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| 22:01.38 | daemonkeeper | ironm: As soon as you finished, boot into your fresh installation and setup network. That's it. |
| 22:01.44 | ompaul | bronaugh: I still use it as a read only distribution and back fill using ssh |
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| 22:01.52 | ironm | daemonkeeper, I am just dd-ing DVD1.iso image to the USB stick |
| 22:01.54 | bronaugh | ompaul: ugh. |
| 22:02.00 | bronaugh | so no cluster FSes, nothing fun. |
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| 22:02.09 | bronaugh | damn it. really hoping for a solution that sucks less here |
| 22:02.16 | ompaul | bronaugh: ehh over these wires no thanks |
| 22:02.20 | daemonkeeper | ironm: Works as well. Won't hurt, but you would not need to. |
| 22:02.24 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: yeah, it was the missing NLS modules. strange huh :P |
| 22:02.34 | thewanderer1 | (UTF-8 was missing as well. oh my...) |
| 22:02.36 | ironm | the point is that I should be able to install without internet-connectivity @ daemonkeeper |
| 22:02.54 | ompaul | bronaugh: it is ok in one building but across several buildings over the "internet and vpns" no thanks, don't want to will allow remote loading |
| 22:02.55 | daemonkeeper | ironm: As said, you safely can, even with the 200M netinst image. |
| 22:02.58 | ompaul | but nothing more |
| 22:03.06 | ompaul | s/loading/reading |
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| 22:03.15 | bronaugh | ompaul: yeah that's the thing. I've got theoretically perfect wiring. nice fancy relatively unloaded high end Cisco gear hooking two machines with Intel e1000e NICs up via GigE. |
| 22:03.15 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: they should get loaded automagically, not sure what goes wrong there |
| 22:03.43 | thewanderer1 | yeah, that was my impression as well O.o |
| 22:03.46 | daemonkeeper | ironm: /every/ Debian installation medium available is suitable for a complete offline installation. The only difference is how many /non essential/ packages you will get along. |
| 22:03.51 | bronaugh | ompaul: so why the hell this is screwing up so much is beyond me. |
| 22:03.52 | ironm | well ... with netinstall I need an internet access later to be able to install required packages |
| 22:03.57 | daemonkeeper | ironm: No |
| 22:04.10 | daemonkeeper | Even netinst works without network. |
| 22:04.18 | daemonkeeper | Try it. |
| 22:04.20 | jelly-home | daemonkeeper: businesscard doesn't! |
| 22:04.31 | ironm | I mean these packages can be optional daemonkeeper |
| 22:04.42 | daemonkeeper | jelly-home: ah, good point. That could be |
| 22:05.06 | ompaul | bronaugh: jumbo frames are not a standard they are what each and every wonderful distributor of cards wants them to be - so here is one idea mess with mtu and clamp the interbox speed |
| 22:05.16 | ironm | daemonkeeper, I have used netinstall images already many times .. but just with systems connected to internet |
| 22:05.16 | ompaul | so you are operating nowhere near limits |
| 22:05.24 | bronaugh | ompaul: just changed MTU to 1500 |
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| 22:05.34 | daemonkeeper | ironm: As said, if you don't trust me, try it yourself. |
| 22:05.41 | ompaul | bronaugh: 1492 |
| 22:05.44 | bronaugh | ompaul: I experimentally determined the MTU on this switch though; it's set to 9000 bytes. |
| 22:05.48 | bronaugh | and that's what I had it set to. |
| 22:06.01 | ironm | thanks a lot for your kind suggestions daemonkeeper :) |
| 22:06.17 | ompaul | bronaugh: max files open |
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| 22:06.34 | ompaul | another place that bit me but anyway |
| 22:06.34 | bronaugh | [103921.884223] INFO: task ls:23140 blocked for more than 120 seconds. |
| 22:06.39 | bronaugh | also have lots of this fun in dmesg log. |
| 22:06.40 | ironm | BTW daemonkeeper .. I trust what you said .. thank you very much |
| 22:06.41 | jelly-home | bronaugh: if you're using a large mtu, make sure both ends support it and all the network bits in between |
| 22:06.43 | anima-work | XD why does vmware have to suck so bad |
| 22:06.51 | foetus | is making rm -rf * on the internal drive..copying finished |
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| 22:07.12 | bronaugh | jelly-home: checked all of that yesterday; cards support at least 9018 bytes, switch supports 9000; had MTU set to 9000. MTU is now 1500. |
| 22:07.25 | daemonkeeper | ironm: FYI: Just choose "don't setup a network mirror at this time" (not verbatime) upon installation, and netinst will happily finish netinst. |
| 22:07.30 | daemonkeeper | *verbatim |
| 22:07.37 | ompaul | don't anyone do that foetus thing as an experiment you will loose your data |
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| 22:08.16 | anima-work | ompaul, if they are that stupid they should lose all their data |
| 22:08.28 | ironm | I see .. however I would like to have one beg USB-image with all the stuff IN-ONE |
| 22:08.31 | bronaugh | ompaul: anyhow, here's the fun. |
| 22:08.35 | ironm | big |
| 22:08.50 | bronaugh | ompaul: there are 8 nfsd server processes. all 8 are currently in state D. |
| 22:08.51 | jelly-home | bronaugh: are you working w/ large files? What are your rsize=, wsize= mount options? |
| 22:08.58 | bronaugh | jelly-home: default for both. |
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| 22:09.07 | bronaugh | jelly-home: and yes re large files. |
| 22:09.11 | daemonkeeper | ironm: There is really no reason, since you will certainly use a small subset of the packages only. |
| 22:09.13 | jelly-home | might consider bumping that |
| 22:09.36 | foetus | ompaul: sorry. did it intentionally. |
| 22:09.42 | foetus | :) |
| 22:09.44 | bronaugh | jelly-home: ok, my understanding from dondelelcaro is that the default is 128k now. |
| 22:09.50 | daemonkeeper | ironm: The /only/ reason to download all ISOs is for system which have no network connectivity at all |
| 22:10.00 | jelly-home | bronaugh: oh? since when? |
| 22:10.05 | bronaugh | jelly-home: NFI. |
| 22:10.17 | bronaugh | jelly-home: but it doesn't explain why I've got 8 deadlocked nfsd processes. |
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| 22:10.33 | bronaugh | nothing explains that worth a crap |
| 22:10.40 | jelly-home | If I said "because nfs on Linux blows" that wouldn't help would it |
| 22:10.46 | bronaugh | unfortunately no. |
| 22:10.56 | ompaul | bronaugh: with your new settings bounce and I third and forth jelly-home's comment |
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| 22:11.25 | ironm | daemonkeeper, you are right ... but when I am in computer center it is mostly complicated to get an internet access for new installations |
| 22:11.28 | bronaugh | ompaul: "bounce"? |
| 22:12.23 | ompaul | bronaugh: restart your services given you have now a "new network" |
| 22:12.26 | daemonkeeper | ironm: Fair enough, as said it is no problem at all to install Debian without network from the first/only image though. |
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| 22:12.50 | bronaugh | ompaul: nope. can't do that. |
| 22:12.57 | bronaugh | ompaul: because nfs-kernel-server is explosive. |
| 22:13.06 | foetus | make a debmirror to the full hd now.. |
| 22:13.17 | bronaugh | speaking in words other people can understand... I've got 8 deadlocked, unkillable nfsd kernel processes. |
| 22:13.20 | ompaul | Announce downtime, and reboot them |
| 22:13.37 | ironm | that is true daemonkeeper - I have used few times selfmade debian-live images with my own packages for fresh off-line installations |
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| 22:13.49 | ompaul | nothing like a clean restart to make nfs forget to be stupid |
| 22:13.56 | bronaugh | ompaul: this has been happening all fucking week. |
| 22:14.04 | jelly-home | bronaugh: what is the backend fs on the nfs server? |
| 22:14.08 | bronaugh | jelly-home: xfs. |
| 22:14.21 | jelly-home | "ah, he said knowingly" |
| 22:14.30 | ompaul | I don't like that fs |
| 22:14.30 | ironm | daemonkeeper, however it is a bit more work as you have to stay up to date with all the new debian-live stugg |
| 22:14.34 | bronaugh | neither do I. |
| 22:14.34 | jelly-home | bronaugh: do I dare ask why |
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| 22:14.45 | ironm | stuff |
| 22:14.46 | bronaugh | jelly-home: because ext4 won't create a >16TB FS |
| 22:14.47 | ompaul | small files a plenty it can't be |
| 22:15.02 | bronaugh | "gee thanks, Ted, why don't you update your userland now that you've got a fs that'll create an 8EiB FS" |
| 22:15.04 | jelly-home | bronaugh: and you absolutely require a >16TiB share?? |
| 22:15.10 | bronaugh | jelly-home: pretty much. |
| 22:15.19 | jelly-home | hire a consultant |
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| 22:15.35 | bronaugh | jelly-home: seriously, though. what the hell's going on w/xfs and nfs? |
| 22:15.43 | bronaugh | is there -actually- known issues with that? |
| 22:15.46 | daemonkeeper | Why not use 2 x 8 TiB or so and use bind mounts or the nifty NFSv4 export directories? |
| 22:15.58 | jelly-home | they... interact. I've seen anectodal mails. |
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| 22:16.05 | bronaugh | daemonkeeper: a) because I've found that NFSv4 is actually a steaming pile of crap. |
| 22:16.06 | daemonkeeper | Or whatever slices you want to partition. |
| 22:16.16 | bronaugh | daemonkeeper: b) because it's not set up that way right now |
| 22:16.22 | jelly-home | bronaugh: possibly known issues yeah |
| 22:16.26 | bronaugh | and, you know, actually recreating something like that will take on the order of four days. |
| 22:16.29 | bronaugh | of actual copying time. |
| 22:16.39 | jelly-home | bronaugh: uname -a on server? |
| 22:16.48 | bronaugh | Linux medusa 2.6.38-2-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Apr 23 18:47:49 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 22:16.54 | bronaugh | Linux windy 2.6.38-2-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Apr 23 18:47:49 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:17.02 | bronaugh | that being said, kernel version actually seems to be irrelevant. |
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| 22:17.13 | jelly-home | wth are you using freakin latest kernel in production |
| 22:17.20 | jelly-home | ah |
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| 22:17.25 | jelly-home | despair I guess |
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| 22:18.22 | jelly-home | well, I had good results with nfs v3 on top of ext3, but with lots and lots of small files. Can't vouch about anything else |
| 22:19.09 | foetus | all done. works well with ext2. |
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| 22:19.20 | lvh | Hi |
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| 22:19.30 | bronaugh | jelly-home: yeah, I switched to nfsv4 from nfsv3 |
| 22:19.57 | lvh | I just installed debian testing, and I can see it boot, and then my screen goes blank (well, blue, which in the case of my monitor means no signal). I can get into the machine over ssh and have traced the issue down to nouveau. |
| 22:20.00 | foetus | *128MB* free on drive, unbelievable.. |
| 22:20.11 | lvh | How can I tell the kernel to not use nouveaufb at all? |
| 22:20.29 | bronaugh | jelly-home: and then, since I noticed that there was a lot of fixups going on w/nfs, I switched to 2.6.38 |
| 22:20.52 | bronaugh | jelly-home: I didn't just switch kernels to perturb things; I did actually check the kernel changelogs first. |
| 22:20.55 | fenugreek | lvh: something in grub config in /boot/ ? |
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| 22:21.27 | anima- | /dev/sdb1 1.8T 382G 1.4T 22% |
| 22:21.30 | atannus | here I am, installing Debian for the first time. |
| 22:21.44 | lvh | Looking at dmesg, there's [ 739.688603] [drm] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: allocated 1920x1200 fb: 0x401a0000, bo ffff88007e2e6800 |
| 22:21.47 | fenugreek | atannus: yes |
| 22:21.56 | lvh | which is certainly correct. It's just not translating to a working fb on my screen |
| 22:22.14 | anima- | /dev/sdc1 1.8T 497G 1.3T |
| 22:22.26 | jelly-home | lvh: what did it do the first 12 minutes? |
| 22:22.51 | anima- | i really need to upgrade my NAS |
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| 22:23.40 | atannus | is happy its friday. |
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| 22:24.11 | trurl | atannus: not everywhere ;) |
| 22:24.12 | lvh | jelly-home: Sorry, that's after I've modprobed and rmmodded nevow a few times. |
| 22:24.18 | lvh | jelly-home: It did the same thing the first time it booted. |
| 22:24.25 | lvh | jelly-home: Would you like a complete syslog? |
| 22:24.35 | atannus | trurl, yeah? |
| 22:24.39 | foetus | making a tar with all content to internal hd.. |
| 22:24.49 | jelly-home | lvh: nah, I haven't tried nouveau yet, ignore me |
| 22:25.18 | jelly-home | currently riding the nonfree train |
| 22:25.29 | trurl | atannus: Sa 30 Apr 2011 00:25:15 CEST |
| 22:25.43 | lvh | jelly-home: Well, I'd be happy with a way to *disable* nevow. |
| 22:25.46 | lvh | err, nouveau. |
| 22:26.16 | foetus | making 'while clear; do df -h; sleep 5; done'.. |
| 22:26.19 | jelly-home | lvh: /msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
| 22:26.35 | fenugreek | lvh: try nouveau.modeset=1 on kernel line in GRUB |
| 22:26.47 | jelly-home | lvh: installation of the nonfree drivers does some nouveau module blacklisting during the process |
| 22:26.55 | anima- | lvh throw it in the black list |
| 22:27.07 | lvh | jelly-home: Ah, I thought that only affected X |
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| 22:27.25 | lvh | I didn't realise nvidia makes framebuffer drivers |
| 22:27.45 | jelly-home | lvh: no, you'd end up with a nice standard text console |
| 22:27.58 | lvh | jelly-home: I'm happy with that |
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| 22:28.06 | lvh | fenugreek: thanks, trying that now |
| 22:28.09 | jelly-home | instead of a nonworking kms fb one |
| 22:28.22 | anima- | lvh, /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf add "blacklist nouveau" no quotes |
| 22:29.24 | lvh | anima-: Yeah, I'm trying the modeset one first, but it doesn't appear to work :) |
| 22:29.25 | jelly-home | no need to edit the existing conffile, that line can be thrown into eg. /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf |
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| 22:29.48 | lvh | anima-: I mean, nouveau working is strictly better than nouveau not working I guess |
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| 22:29.59 | atannus | trurl, gmt+2? |
| 22:30.05 | atannus | where are you? |
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| 22:32.17 | ironm | gn8 |
| 22:32.50 | orbiting | lvh, I have to put novidmode at the end of every config in grub to get nouveau not to boot up. that of course is in ubuntu. the blacklisting just refused to run for me |
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| 22:33.27 | lvh | jelly-home: So, I'm running 2.6.32-5-amd64, and it says [ 8.215993] [drm] Initialized nouveau 0.0.15 20090420 for 0000:01:00.0 on minor 0 |
| 22:33.35 | lvh | That's a pretty dazzlingly ancient version of nouveau |
| 22:33.41 | lvh | I'm pretty sure my card is newer than that :-D |
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| 22:33.50 | jelly-home | lvh: 2.6.32 is a pretty old kernel. |
| 22:34.08 | lvh | jelly-home: That's true. It came with my box when I installed it five minutes ago, though. |
| 22:34.13 | lvh | And I could've sworn I was installing testing... |
| 22:34.24 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 22:34.25 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-4); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-3); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 22:34.35 | fenugreek | nouveau has come a long way recently |
| 22:34.47 | lvh | Hm, you're right, I'm on squeeze. |
| 22:34.48 | jelly-home | lvh: install linux-image-2.6-amd64 explicitely |
| 22:35.29 | lvh | jelly-home: twas already done. I'll upgrade to wheezy and see what that does |
| 22:35.36 | jelly-home | oh, if you're on squeeze just use the nonfree driver and don't bother |
| 22:36.27 | fenugreek | be interesting to know if it works for X and not fb, though |
| 22:37.15 | lvh | fenugreek: one of the #nouveau guys just gave me the same answer as jelly, though |
| 22:37.21 | lvh | if you're on a version that ancient just give up already |
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| 22:38.41 | jelly-home | lvh: that's why I'm lurking in there <g> |
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| 22:40.02 | foetus | plain tar goes faster than copying with cp.. |
| 22:40.34 | fenugreek | no it makes sense to me |
| 22:40.37 | fenugreek | I'm just curious |
| 22:40.49 | fenugreek | was barely anybody using nouveau just a year or so ago |
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| 22:40.55 | fenugreek | and now it's pretty advanced |
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| 22:41.31 | fenugreek | my friend installed Kubuntu and it used nouveau by default and it looked like it was doing great |
| 22:42.06 | poisonbit | I got many xorg hangs on an iMac with nvidia with squeeze@amd64 nouveau |
| 22:42.37 | lvh | yay open sores! |
| 22:42.53 | fenugreek | that's what she said? ( :/ ) |
| 22:42.54 | anima- | nouveau sucks period |
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| 22:43.11 | fenugreek | I think it's pretty impressive |
| 22:43.12 | thingfish | what a cool nick: fenugreek |
| 22:43.17 | fenugreek | but the latest version, of course |
| 22:43.18 | bronaugh | fenugeek would be more cool. |
| 22:43.19 | thingfish | I love that spice |
| 22:43.22 | fenugreek | thingfish: innit? |
| 22:43.39 | thingfish | bronaugh: +1 |
| 22:43.48 | fenugreek | well it'd be cute if someone called me a fenugeek |
| 22:44.01 | lvh | Yes, fenugreek is pretty tasty |
| 22:44.12 | lvh | I have it in cheese, I think |
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| 22:50.49 | foetus | enough for today.. |
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| 22:52.05 | atannus | so far so smooth |
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| 22:52.31 | fenugreek | smoooth |
| 22:52.31 | thewanderer1 | guys, how do I tell GRUB I've moved my /boot to somewhere else and I want it to update the entries? |
| 22:52.43 | thewanderer1 | grub-pc, Squeeze |
| 22:53.09 | lvh | jelly-home: Great news everyone! nouveau totally works on wheezy |
| 22:53.23 | thewanderer1 | or does it require that I keep my /boot on the root fs? |
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| 22:54.07 | thewanderer1 | oh wait, update-grub worked this time :P |
| 22:54.58 | thewanderer1 | ok so now... how does initrd detect what RAID I'm booting from? I've migrated from RAID1 to RAID5 and I don't think it has noticed (couldn't boot without raid456 in /etc/modules) |
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| 22:58.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i cant get my /usr/sbin apache2 binary back.. i tried reinstall install puring etc with aptitude |
| 22:58.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | any ideas |
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| 22:59.11 | simonlnu | ,find sbin/apache2 |
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| 22:59.45 | simonlnu | not the syntax.. hm |
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| 23:00.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | there insta one in /sbin or /usr/sbin |
| 23:00.43 | bronaugh | jelly-home, ompaul: guess what? bad RAM. |
| 23:00.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | isn't |
| 23:00.54 | bronaugh | box just reported uncorrectable ECC error on CPU2 DIMM1A |
| 23:00.57 | simonlnu | it wouldn't be in /sbin |
| 23:01.27 | simonlnu | apache2-mpm-* packages have /usr/sbin/apache2 |
| 23:01.36 | jelly-home | !spank bronaugh |
| 23:01.36 | dpkg | bends bronaugh over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 23:01.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah its complainging about no mpm installed |
| 23:01.59 | puty|2 | hi. i'am trying acces to my hosting over ssh andtook i msg broken pipe |
| 23:02.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | i blew away my /usr/sbin a while back i think i screw it up them |
| 23:02.03 | ompaul | bronaugh: remember that restart I said ;-) |
| 23:02.03 | simonlnu | so install one? |
| 23:02.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | whihc one? |
| 23:02.16 | simonlnu | the one you want |
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| 23:02.28 | ompaul | bronaugh: how many boxes are in this "mess" |
| 23:02.50 | simonlnu | Eryn_1983_FL: hint: dpkg -l 'apache2-mpm-*' then reinstall the one that has ii in front |
| 23:03.23 | bronaugh | ompaul: only two, thank christ. |
| 23:03.36 | simonlnu | thinks people should learn the basics before they take on admin duties |
| 23:03.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | Restarting web server: apache2env: /usr/sbin/apache2ctl: No such file or directory |
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| 23:04.11 | simonlnu | same for that, reinstall that |
| 23:04.20 | simonlnu | apache2.2-common |
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| 23:04.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | yay |
| 23:05.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | ty simonlnu |
| 23:05.15 | simonlnu | yw |
| 23:05.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | my webpages are up woot |
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| 23:10.17 | ubd | could someone help me to install debian? i know how to install it to some extent, my problem is, i have to use specific drivers for xorg, and then install openbox, could you tell me the steps i should fllow generally like: 1- install base, 2- install the driver etc? |
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| 23:11.42 | cretsiah | hi ppls what is the lowest system requirements for debian, i have 384mg ram 32mgvideo 300mhz cpu, i would like to be able to run open office, email and chat clients maybe some of the smaller games ie solitare, mahjong |
| 23:12.06 | dondelelcaro | cretsiah: you can run Debian on that |
| 23:12.37 | ubd | dondelelcaro: : what about 128 mb ram? |
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| 23:12.46 | cretsiah | with gui? |
| 23:12.57 | dondelelcaro | ubd: sure |
| 23:12.59 | dondelelcaro | cretsiah: yes |
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| 23:13.36 | dondelelcaro | more ram, the better... but you can get down to about 48M or so IIRC. |
| 23:13.38 | lvh | fenugreek: Update. X doesn't work even with the new kernel, Xorg doesn't recognize the nouveau driver, it tires vesa and nv but I didn't install them so it doesn't work |
| 23:13.44 | cretsiah | cool, it currently has win 98 lol, would it be a stretch to play movie files as well? |
| 23:14.00 | lvh | fenugreek: I'm supposed to create a new Xorg.conf but that doesn't actually work either |
| 23:14.01 | dondelelcaro | cretsiah: that should be able to play DVDs, but that really depends on the video card |
| 23:14.15 | dondelelcaro | it certainly won't play anything with more resolution than a DVD, though |
| 23:14.52 | cretsiah | nah that would be fine, what about flash like on websites |
| 23:15.10 | fenugreek | lvh: so... proprietary drivers it is |
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| 23:15.45 | ikanobori | Hello, I am having the following issue. I can not log in to a certain user over ssh. |
| 23:16.09 | ikanobori | The passwd program tells me that user is not known to the underlying auth module, but adduser says the user already exists and I can verify its existence in /etc/passwd |
| 23:16.20 | ikanobori | Someone got a pointer for me? |
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| 23:18.41 | dondelelcaro | cretsiah: if it works in gnash, sure. |
| 23:18.51 | lvh | ikanobori: ssh -v; how's it trying to log in? |
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| 23:20.57 | ikanobori | Which line specifically do you want to know? It seems as if that certain user on the server is unknown to PAM but the others are. |
| 23:21.26 | ikanobori | It is using publickeys, since that is the only thing accepted by that server. |
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| 23:23.09 | lvh | ikanobori: Well, yes, that part. |
| 23:23.24 | lvh | ikanobori: Then I don't really know what's up, there's not a whole lot that can go wrong with publickeys |
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| 23:24.19 | ikanobori | Is there a way to have PAM re-read the user accounts on that machine? |
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| 23:24.29 | ikanobori | Or forcibly add that user to PAM again. |
| 23:26.08 | lvh | Apparently I completely misunderstand how PAM works, because if it works the way I thought it worked it doesn't need to at all |
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| 23:27.11 | Caly | congratulate me |
| 23:27.20 | oalvarez | Caly, congratulations |
| 23:27.34 | Caly | i'm burning Debian 6 to get rid of that fuwgly fkn Ubuntu 11.04 |
| 23:27.44 | Caly | oalvarez: tnxc |
| 23:27.47 | Caly | -c |
| 23:28.00 | ikanobori | lvh: I fixed it by forcibly removing the user + groups from the files. |
| 23:28.04 | ikanobori | And recreating it. |
| 23:28.42 | lvh | Caly: Join the club. |
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| 23:29.00 | ubd | could someone help me to install debian? i know how to install it to some extent, my problem is, i have to use specific drivers for xorg, and then install openbox, could you tell me the steps i should fllow generally like: 1- install base, 2- install the driver etc? |
| 23:29.01 | Caly | lvh: but.. i thought i just did (?) |
| 23:29.08 | Caly | =P |
| 23:29.17 | lvh | Caly: The upgrade to 11.04 hosed two of my machines in completely different and equally interesting ways |
| 23:29.29 | Caly | lvh: same here |
| 23:29.35 | Caly | totally fubar |
| 23:29.55 | oalvarez | Caly, I use U***** at work and by reading the release notes I decided not to upgrade. Glad I use Debian at home. |
| 23:30.04 | lvh | Caly: I have less crap to deal with in my sid + experimental VM than I do with Ubuntu "releases". |
| 23:30.09 | Caly | i finally got it running in some shitty mode, enough to rescue my data. |
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| 23:31.39 | Caly | oalvarez: i hear ya... i run Trisquel on this machine, works splendid, but i thought i try Debian, as it feels like a safer card, so to speak |
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| 23:32.05 | ikanobori | PTY allocation request failed on channel 0 |
| 23:32.08 | ikanobori | Next error to fix, fun. |
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| 23:32.23 | robertzaccour | how do I install UNity in Debian? |
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| 23:34.01 | babilen | robertzaccour: don't think it has been packaged already http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609278 |
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| 23:37.58 | lvh | Hi! I'm having an issue with xorg and I'm not sure what the best way to proceed is. |
| 23:38.16 | lvh | First of all, nouveau does actually work, except xorg doesn't think it's a good driver to try auotmagically, so I have to create an xorg.conf |
| 23:38.38 | lvh | However, that means that /etc/default/keyboard's magic (ctrl:nocaps, in my case) stops working, since hey, there's a xorg.conf. |
| 23:38.42 | lvh | How do I fix that? |
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| 23:39.53 | fenugreek | what's ctrl:nocaps for? |
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| 23:40.12 | lvh | fenugreek: Turns capslock into an additional ctrl |
| 23:40.28 | fenugreek | I figured, but 'nocaps' sounded odd |
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| 23:41.28 | fenugreek | http://www.google.com/search?q=xkb+ctrl+caps+lock |
| 23:41.32 | fenugreek | never heard of your method, actually |
| 23:42.21 | fenugreek | I guess it's the same as setxkbmap, only not depending on the conf |
| 23:42.48 | lvh | fenugreek: /etc/default/keyboard also magically gets it right if you don't have Xorg.conf |
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| 23:43.22 | fenugreek | you probably have to put the ctrl:nocaps into the right section of your xorg.conf instead |
| 23:43.30 | fenugreek | or use ~/.xkbmap (or whatever it's called) |
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| 23:44.18 | fenugreek | ~/.Xkbmap, dunno if the case matters |
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| 23:45.02 | babilen | recommends /etc/default/keyboard or "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" |
| 23:45.58 | fenugreek | Section "InputDevice" ... keyboard ... Option "XkbOpions" "ctrl:nocaps" ... |
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| 23:46.39 | lvh | babilen: yeah, I just removed xorg.conf |
| 23:46.48 | lvh | I have no idea what changed, but now it tries to use nouveau too |
| 23:46.50 | lvh | (successfully) |
| 23:47.10 | fenugreek | magic |
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| 23:47.42 | babilen | lvh: I did not follow the complete discussion, just wanted to point out how to configure the keymap on squeeze |
| 23:48.11 | babilen | lvh: Ah! Should have read it ;) |
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| 23:48.43 | kaushal | hi |
| 23:48.50 | kaushal | My Server Disk space is 100 % Full, whats the easiest way to find out which directory has consumed space ? I do cd / and du -hsc * |
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| 23:49.50 | fenugreek | I wouldn't even search, there should be usual suspects first |
| 23:50.01 | fenugreek | like the archive of installed package files |
| 23:50.24 | fenugreek | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/debian-linux-remove-unwanted-packages-and-files-to-reclaim-disk-space.html |
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| 23:53.47 | fenugreek | kaushal: but after that sure, du -ch | sort -h |
| 23:54.22 | fenugreek | kaushal: or you could use baobab or filelight or the like, if you like GUIs |
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| 23:55.41 | kaushal | fenugreek: baobab ? |
| 23:56.07 | fenugreek | it comes with some GNOME package |
| 23:56.12 | fenugreek | filelight is a KDE one |
| 23:56.24 | kaushal | fenugreek: its a server |
| 23:56.29 | fenugreek | you said |
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