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| 00:02.08 | ChronicSyncope | what are some ways that debian is superior to arch? I'm trying to decide which to install |
| 00:03.12 | ChronicSyncope | or just what are some ways that they're different? |
| 00:03.16 | dynamite | i doubt there is a bug superiority. its just a taste-decision |
| 00:03.47 | dynamite | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Compared_to_Other_Distributions |
| 00:03.54 | dynamite | enjoy |
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| 00:13.38 | ljadsja | 64 squeeze, CD only install, no net available until dhcp configured, at starbucks and can't get dhcp until after I configure - no admin tools after install, how do I get my admin drop downs to show? |
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| 00:14.35 | cahoot | open a terminal and su? |
| 00:15.15 | dynamite | not such a fine description too. |
| 00:15.24 | dvs | ljadsja: If there's no encryption, the installer should be able to do the install as long as the kernel can use the wireless driver. |
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| 00:15.32 | cahoot | feel free to expand |
| 00:15.45 | dynamite | cahoot: ment ljadsja |
| 00:15.47 | ljadsja | don't worry about the net, I need my admin tools to show |
| 00:15.56 | ljadsja | all it shows is login screen |
| 00:16.03 | ljadsja | and it doesn't even let me use that |
| 00:16.06 | ljadsja | and yes, I know about su |
| 00:16.08 | ljadsja | and tried taht |
| 00:16.10 | ljadsja | that |
| 00:16.13 | ljadsja | it doesn't do anything |
| 00:16.24 | ljadsja | tried logging in as root and it wouldn't let me boot as root |
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| 00:16.34 | ljadsja | why are the admin tools not there to begin with |
| 00:16.43 | dynamite | they should be though |
| 00:16.46 | dynamite | after a successful install |
| 00:16.52 | ljadsja | well one would think so |
| 00:17.14 | dynamite | never had problems with that |
| 00:17.21 | ljadsja | how do I go into terminal and set it so that I can boot as root |
| 00:17.23 | ljadsja | ? |
| 00:17.25 | dynamite | also - wtf are you installing a new system at starbucks? :D |
| 00:17.39 | ljadsja | not just su into terminal but reboot and login as root |
| 00:17.51 | ljadsja | never done that before, but I want to see if the screen gives me my toolbar |
| 00:17.58 | dynamite | why boot as root? |
| 00:18.01 | dynamite | just login as root |
| 00:18.06 | ljadsja | won't let me |
| 00:18.09 | dynamite | and start a session of <yourwindowmanagerhere> |
| 00:18.19 | ljadsja | and how do I do that |
| 00:18.21 | ljadsja | like gdm? |
| 00:18.29 | _linuxftw | use sudo passwd root to reset the root password, then login as root |
| 00:18.30 | ljadsja | sudo gdm? |
| 00:18.33 | dynamite | Ctrl, Alt, Backspace |
| 00:18.36 | dynamite | (iirc) |
| 00:18.45 | ljadsja | opens a new gdm? |
| 00:18.54 | ljadsja | reboot you mean |
| 00:18.56 | ljadsja | done that |
| 00:19.00 | ljadsja | sudo passwd root |
| 00:19.01 | dynamite | no |
| 00:19.02 | dynamite | i dont |
| 00:19.04 | ljadsja | and then set the password |
| 00:19.06 | dynamite | or CTRL, ALT, (Number) to jump to a shell |
| 00:19.22 | dynamite | sudo bash? |
| 00:19.25 | ljadsja | keep it simple |
| 00:19.27 | ljadsja | sudo what? |
| 00:19.30 | dynamite | ... |
| 00:19.33 | ljadsja | sudo root gdm? |
| 00:19.37 | dynamite | sudo BASH |
| 00:19.40 | dynamite | bash |
| 00:19.41 | dynamite | the shell |
| 00:19.42 | dynamite | ... |
| 00:19.47 | dynamite | then startx/gdm |
| 00:19.47 | ljadsja | yes I know bash |
| 00:19.52 | dynamite | do you then... |
| 00:19.53 | ljadsja | and how do I do that |
| 00:19.59 | ljadsja | specifically |
| 00:20.03 | ljadsja | su |
| 00:20.05 | ljadsja | password |
| 00:20.07 | ljadsja | startx |
| 00:20.09 | ljadsja | gdm? |
| 00:20.13 | jelly-home | !enter |
| 00:20.13 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 00:20.19 | dynamite | (: |
| 00:20.27 | dynamite | ljadsja: trial and error |
| 00:20.27 | ljadsja | ok, I see what you mean |
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| 00:20.34 | ljadsja | I'm typing like I would in bash |
| 00:20.40 | ljadsja | just give me the whole syntax |
| 00:20.46 | ljadsja | in bash as root |
| 00:20.50 | ljadsja | what do I type? |
| 00:20.51 | dynamite | startx |
| 00:20.53 | _linuxftw | just type startx, see what hapens |
| 00:20.55 | _linuxftw | happens* |
| 00:20.57 | ljadsja | ok, hold on |
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| 00:21.28 | ljadsja | fatal server error |
| 00:21.39 | _linuxftw | That's the best kind of error |
| 00:22.04 | _linuxftw | any more details? |
| 00:22.19 | cahoot | still can't see why you want to run X as root |
| 00:22.25 | ljadsja | server is already active for display 0 |
| 00:22.40 | ljadsja | because I want to find my admin tool bar |
| 00:22.49 | dynamite | it should be there. |
| 00:22.55 | ljadsja | it's not, or I wouldn't be here |
| 00:22.59 | _linuxftw | ok, so you need to kill your first session BEFORE starting X again |
| 00:23.16 | ljadsja | and how do I do that? |
| 00:23.23 | ljadsja | killx |
| 00:23.27 | _linuxftw | try it |
| 00:23.31 | ljadsja | is that the command? |
| 00:23.36 | _linuxftw | I don't know |
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| 00:24.14 | cahoot | ljadsja: what is it you want to achieve withe the 'admin toolbar'? |
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| 00:24.29 | ljadsja | oh things like being able to configure my network |
| 00:24.34 | ljadsja | software sources |
| 00:24.39 | ljadsja | update manager |
| 00:24.40 | ljadsja | stuff like that |
| 00:24.52 | _linuxftw | So, did "killx" do it? |
| 00:24.55 | ljadsja | no |
| 00:25.03 | ljadsja | no command |
| 00:25.04 | dynamite | massive hint: dont install systems at starbucks. |
| 00:25.06 | _linuxftw | ps aux then, find the X window PID |
| 00:25.15 | ljadsja | hold on |
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| 00:25.45 | ljadsja | grep Xorg? |
| 00:25.55 | _linuxftw | sure |
| 00:26.05 | ljadsja | and just kill the process? |
| 00:26.09 | _linuxftw | yeah |
| 00:26.11 | ljadsja | k hold on |
| 00:26.15 | dynamite | no, gently slap it in the face |
| 00:26.39 | ljadsja | went back to login |
| 00:26.45 | _linuxftw | can you login as root? |
| 00:26.49 | ljadsja | nope |
| 00:26.52 | ljadsja | undername root |
| 00:26.56 | _linuxftw | Doesn't it let you? |
| 00:26.57 | ljadsja | then password |
| 00:27.05 | ljadsja | and it doesn't let me in |
| 00:27.29 | ljadsja | authentication failure |
| 00:27.39 | _linuxftw | Sure the password's right? |
| 00:27.42 | ljadsja | yep |
| 00:28.02 | ljadsja | I su passwd root'ed |
| 00:28.04 | ljadsja | to set root |
| 00:28.14 | ljadsja | with the same password as the user |
| 00:28.17 | _linuxftw | Root logins are probably disabled |
| 00:28.25 | ljadsja | and how do I enable them? |
| 00:28.30 | _linuxftw | I have no idea |
| 00:28.39 | _linuxftw | But if you look in a few config files, maybe you'll get lucky |
| 00:28.45 | _linuxftw | That's what I'd do anyway |
| 00:28.50 | cahoot | ljadsja: you're trying to enable a wifi I take it - any idea what kind of wifidevice? chipset? |
| 00:29.13 | dynamite | ljadsja: trick question. why not configure dhcp from commandline? |
| 00:29.40 | _linuxftw | dynamite, not everyone is familiar with the command line |
| 00:29.53 | cahoot | obvious |
| 00:29.58 | dynamite | then again - not everyone installs systems at starbucks. |
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| 00:30.11 | dynamite | (this is where you say: touché) |
| 00:30.18 | _linuxftw | touché |
| 00:30.42 | dynamite | not you :D |
| 00:31.07 | ljadsja | I don't care about the wife |
| 00:31.10 | ljadsja | I want my admin toolbar |
| 00:31.15 | ljadsja | then I can do what I want |
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| 00:31.30 | dynamite | you dont care about the wife? dont let her hear that... |
| 00:31.33 | _linuxftw | So normally, the admin toolbar is just present? |
| 00:31.41 | ljadsja | of course |
| 00:31.41 | _linuxftw | Or is it some extra package you have to install? |
| 00:31.44 | cahoot | why enter your wife into discussion? |
| 00:31.49 | dynamite | (: |
| 00:31.58 | dynamite | hope your wife is wifi enabled. |
| 00:32.05 | dynamite | and you met her at starbucks |
| 00:32.16 | ljadsja | system/administration |
| 00:32.19 | ljadsja | is always there |
| 00:32.28 | ljadsja | system/preferences is there |
| 00:32.30 | dynamite | obviously not always. |
| 00:32.41 | ljadsja | well up until this install it has been. |
| 00:33.02 | ljadsja | what is the point of having system/administration with nothing in it |
| 00:33.13 | ljadsja | all it has is 'login screen' |
| 00:33.17 | ljadsja | and it doesn't work either |
| 00:33.24 | dynamite | this is surely some faulty install |
| 00:33.28 | dynamite | havent seen this before. |
| 00:33.32 | dynamite | unpriviledged user? |
| 00:33.41 | ljadsja | and how do I change that? |
| 00:33.44 | _linuxftw | dynamite, yeah he's running as a normal user |
| 00:33.53 | ljadsja | yeah, but how do you change it |
| 00:34.03 | _linuxftw | Enable root login, login as root? |
| 00:34.11 | dynamite | add <user> to group <root> |
| 00:34.14 | dynamite | for starters |
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| 00:34.19 | ljadsja | ok |
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| 00:34.24 | ljadsja | that helps |
| 00:34.28 | cahoot | is this really #debian=? |
| 00:34.30 | dynamite | thought so. |
| 00:34.35 | dynamite | cahoot: why? |
| 00:34.40 | ljadsja | in etc groups? |
| 00:34.43 | ljadsja | etc users? |
| 00:34.46 | dynamite | jesus |
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| 00:34.55 | dynamite | ljadsja: please install windows |
| 00:35.05 | ljadsja | look I use several different versions of linux |
| 00:35.10 | dynamite | yeah |
| 00:35.14 | ljadsja | bsd, ubuntu, they put stuff all over the place |
| 00:35.21 | ljadsja | the paths are different for each flavor |
| 00:35.22 | dynamite | you dont MANUALLY du that |
| 00:35.27 | dynamite | do* |
| 00:35.38 | dynamite | useradd -G <group> <user> |
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| 00:35.42 | ljadsja | I'm relatively new to debian because ubuntu isn't stable |
| 00:35.45 | dynamite | thats not THAT uncommon |
| 00:35.47 | dynamite | lol |
| 00:35.52 | _linuxftw | dynamite, not usermod? |
| 00:35.53 | dynamite | Ubuntu is debian based, young padawan |
| 00:35.54 | ljadsja | so where is the groups file? |
| 00:36.09 | dynamite | man locate |
| 00:36.15 | _linuxftw | it's in /etc/group, NEVER moves |
| 00:36.22 | ljadsja | yes but ubuntu is an unstable version of debian, which is why i'm changing |
| 00:36.24 | ljadsja | hold a sec |
| 00:36.28 | dynamite | ljadsja: bla |
| 00:36.30 | dynamite | bullshit |
| 00:36.46 | dynamite | and yes, usermod works too |
| 00:37.18 | cahoot | dynamite: you seriously recommend him to add his user to root? |
| 00:37.40 | ljadsja | does debian use wheel? |
| 00:37.40 | _linuxftw | I don't think so |
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| 00:37.42 | dynamite | cahoot: to see if that resolves his issue - yes. |
| 00:37.46 | dynamite | not as a permanent situation |
| 00:37.48 | _linuxftw | Once you've enabled root login, you can remove yourself from the root group |
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| 00:38.06 | ljadsja | right, exactly, I can remove it so dumb dumb user can't get to tools |
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| 00:38.20 | ljadsja | hold on |
| 00:38.38 | dynamite | this is starting to get confusing. |
| 00:38.54 | _linuxftw | dynamite, I never liked that whole GUI thing anyway |
| 00:40.10 | dynamite | _linuxftw: depends |
| 00:40.19 | dynamite | i used to be quite the desktop debian type of guy |
| 00:41.13 | dynamite | the new foo fighters album is quite decent |
| 00:43.25 | _linuxftw | ljadsja, any luck? |
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| 00:49.40 | dynamite | _linuxftw: doesnt look like it. |
| 00:49.49 | dynamite | or he has and refuses to keep talking :D |
| 00:50.07 | dvs | he's hacking. ;-) |
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| 00:52.05 | dynamite | obviously. |
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| 00:55.12 | ljadsja | as a note.... /etc/pam.d/gdm3 what you do is rem out the 5th line where it says !=root quiet |
| 00:55.22 | ljadsja | and this allows you to boot as root |
| 00:55.45 | ljadsja | I just did that, I booted into gdm as root, and the system/administration tools did not show up. |
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| 00:56.10 | ljadsja | is there a way to switch display managers over to kde during install? |
| 00:57.03 | dynamite | you log into gdm, you dont boot into it. |
| 00:57.13 | ljadsja | right |
| 00:57.26 | dynamite | you can uninstall gnome and install kde |
| 00:57.33 | dynamite | please dont ask how. |
| 00:57.41 | ljadsja | I'll look it up |
| 00:57.51 | dynamite | awesome |
| 00:57.58 | _linuxftw | apt-get purge gnome |
| 00:58.03 | dvs | how? ;-) |
| 00:58.09 | dynamite | ouch _linuxftw |
| 00:58.10 | rww | just uses the KDE CD1... |
| 00:58.15 | _linuxftw | it does the job |
| 00:58.17 | dynamite | syntax error |
| 00:58.31 | _linuxftw | well, gnome-whatever |
| 00:58.34 | dynamite | no |
| 00:58.51 | dynamite | purge as itself is no valid apt command iirc |
| 00:58.56 | dynamite | remove --purge |
| 00:59.00 | rww | yes it is |
| 00:59.03 | dynamite | orly? |
| 00:59.04 | _linuxftw | it is |
| 00:59.05 | dynamite | :O |
| 00:59.17 | dynamite | okay, mustave went past me. apologies |
| 00:59.19 | dynamite | ! |
| 00:59.38 | ljadsja | but someone might want to note how to login to gdm as root, for the next guy. |
| 00:59.48 | dynamite | ofcourse. |
| 00:59.52 | dynamite | giggles |
| 00:59.59 | ljadsja | that and someone might want to also find out why no admin tools. when I find the answer I'll come back and post |
| 01:00.01 | ljadsja | thanks. |
| 01:00.19 | _linuxftw | /sigh |
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| 01:00.58 | dynamite | lol |
| 01:01.01 | dynamite | FACEPALM |
| 01:01.20 | dynamite | after 20 minutes re-rolling iptables, starting amavisd to get a connect on it did the trick... |
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| 01:06.48 | dynamite | If it isnt Dominik :D |
| 01:06.52 | dynamite | kicks Azrael_- |
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| 01:08.31 | dynamite | pokes sno |
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| 01:12.30 | arturo393 | hi, i'm on debian 64amd and i want to install dabian i386 on the same machine but in other partition. i do not have cdroom and no pendrive so, can i install debian from my debian partition ? |
| 01:12.51 | _linuxftw | yes, debootstrap --arch i386 |
| 01:12.52 | dvs | debbootstrap |
| 01:13.21 | _linuxftw | You might need to apt-get it first |
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| 01:14.17 | Xinux | Watsup hoes |
| 01:14.35 | dynamite | ... |
| 01:14.44 | dynamite | not much of an .edu there... |
| 01:14.51 | dvs | heh |
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| 01:15.02 | arturo393 | thanks |
| 01:15.05 | dynamite | missouri kansas |
| 01:15.08 | dynamite | that tells a story. |
| 01:15.17 | Xinux | Sure does |
| 01:15.39 | dynamite | highest inbreed-rate of the usa - prolly |
| 01:15.47 | dvs | nope |
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| 01:16.01 | dvs | colorado city, az |
| 01:16.18 | Xinux | Nice try dynamite ;O |
| 01:16.41 | dynamite | dammit |
| 01:16.56 | dynamite | worth a guess |
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| 01:18.36 | Xinux | dynamite: Most people don't think of Missouri and inbred? ;O |
| 01:18.46 | ectospasm | Craigwd_2000: sorry for the delay, but my nick is a play on ectoplasm. It's in the urban dictionary, but I assure you I came to it independently |
| 01:19.20 | dynamite | Xinux: could be cause im not from the USA? |
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| 01:20.17 | Xinux | dynamite: That makes sense, also if we want to be truthful there is no statistic about inbreds, there is a statistic for incest, and the highest is Alaska iirc |
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| 01:20.35 | dynamite | Xinux: ideal. |
| 01:20.36 | _linuxftw | Well, there's not much to do up there |
| 01:20.43 | ectospasm | off topic? |
| 01:20.44 | dynamite | _linuxftw: from alaska? |
| 01:20.50 | _linuxftw | nope |
| 01:20.55 | dynamite | ectospasm: right nick at the right time :D |
| 01:21.01 | _linuxftw | (otherwise I'd have said "up here") |
| 01:21.08 | Xinux | ectospasm: You mean incest isn't related to debian? :( |
| 01:21.18 | ectospasm | not last I checked. |
| 01:21.29 | ectospasm | Unless Debbie and Ian were siblings or cousins... |
| 01:22.12 | dynamite | shall we agree not to agree on this topic? |
| 01:22.37 | ectospasm | must we? Yes, we won't get anywhere else if we don't |
| 01:22.38 | Xinux | I disagree to agree to not agree on this topic ;o |
| 01:22.54 | dynamite | then you're obviously out |
| 01:22.59 | _linuxftw | Well I disagree with all of you |
| 01:23.46 | stew | can we please move the (anti-)social chat somewhere else and leave this channel for end-user support? |
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| 01:24.17 | dynamite | stew: have i missed a user question? |
| 01:24.28 | dynamite | i dont think this interferes with normal channel movement. |
| 01:24.43 | stew | dynamite: doesn't matter |
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| 01:25.24 | dynamite | are you a freenode official? |
| 01:25.29 | jhutchins_lt | dynamite: Further comments in #debian-offtopic |
| 01:25.31 | dynamite | official even |
| 01:25.44 | dvs | yup |
| 01:26.06 | mick_laptop | anyone have a recommendation on how I can share my wifi connection over RJ45? i'm sure that i'd need some iptables-fu or something like that and muck w/ something like prerouting tables |
| 01:26.29 | mick_laptop | i'm just not sure what I'd need to search online for |
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| 01:26.41 | Xinux | Is Toy Story considered on topic? |
| 01:27.00 | mick_laptop | lol |
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| 01:27.11 | mick_laptop | kind of :) |
| 01:27.36 | stew | Xinux: this channel is for end-user support of debian only. there are social channels elsewhere, perhaps #defocus or #debian-offtopic |
| 01:27.47 | jhutchins_lt | Xinux: It's certainly on-topic in #deebian-oofftopic. |
| 01:27.47 | mick_laptop | always wondered what e will do when we run out of character names |
| 01:28.20 | jhutchins_lt | mick_laptop: You're going to need a crossover cable if you're not going through a hub or switch. |
| 01:28.45 | dynamite | jhutchins_lt: i think thats the least of his problems |
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| 01:28.51 | Xinux | mick_laptop: I was trying to research how to do that same thing yesterday and came to no conclusions except for a crossover cable |
| 01:28.52 | jhutchins_lt | Yes, iptables is involved. It can be pretty simple, most of the guides assume that the first node is a full fledged firewall. |
| 01:28.56 | mick_laptop | on osx you just plug in an ethernet cable and select the network interface to share from |
| 01:29.02 | stew | one doesn't need a crossover cable if either side is gigabit |
| 01:29.06 | mick_laptop | so i doubt that i'd need a crossover cable |
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| 01:29.25 | dynamite | mick_laptop: not necessarily |
| 01:29.29 | dynamite | if its not a direct connection |
| 01:29.48 | jhutchins_lt | mick_laptop: I know of a more detailed guide than this, but not less: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
| 01:29.59 | jhutchins_lt | !nat |
| 01:29.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, nat is Network Address Translation. Use the iptables package, and see <http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/> for details. |
| 01:30.24 | mick_laptop | i remember reading that |
| 01:30.26 | mick_laptop | in the 90s |
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| 01:30.40 | piercedwater | Hi |
| 01:30.50 | jhutchins_lt | mick_laptop: You can do Mac to Mac with a standard ethernet cable? |
| 01:31.09 | mick_laptop | jhutchins_lt: what do you mean? |
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| 01:31.13 | jhutchins_lt | mick_laptop: I would say that 99.9% of PC hardware isn't capable of that. |
| 01:31.20 | dynamite | jhutchins_lt: stop picking on him :D |
| 01:31.37 | stew | jhutchins_lt: any 1000bt ethernet card can automatically sense when a crossover would have been needed |
| 01:31.42 | mick_laptop | either i'm confused or he isn't picking on me |
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| 01:32.00 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Hm. Newer hardware than I've seen I guess. |
| 01:32.14 | jhutchins_lt | I've seen lots of switches that auto-sensed, never a PC. |
| 01:32.21 | dynamite | stew: simple patchcable for direct connections? |
| 01:32.37 | mick_laptop | jhutchins_lt: like i said it is point and click on osx |
| 01:32.45 | stew | jhutchins_lt: gigabit ethernet cards are not all that new |
| 01:32.47 | laumonier | how can i talk to the channel bot???ty |
| 01:32.54 | stew | jhutchins_lt: and ANY gigabit card does this. it is part of the spec |
| 01:32.57 | mick_laptop | laumonier: /msg dpkg |
| 01:32.59 | _linuxftw | use /msg dpkg whatever |
| 01:32.59 | abrotman | winks at stew |
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| 01:34.24 | mick_laptop | that can't be the best read for what i want to do |
| 01:34.26 | mick_laptop | seriously |
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| 01:34.41 | dynamite | bit moodyà |
| 01:34.42 | dynamite | ? |
| 01:34.47 | mick_laptop | me? |
| 01:34.48 | mick_laptop | nah |
| 01:35.11 | stew | jhutchins_lt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium_dependent_interface#MDIX |
| 01:35.35 | mick_laptop | i have had 3 computers die on me in the past two days, so I'm not in the best mood - but i'm not "moody" (i don't think) |
| 01:35.43 | piercedwater | Does anyone know of an open source Font Server, similar to Universal Type Server? |
| 01:35.51 | dynamite | mick_laptop: you most certainly did not bother bugging google with your problem. |
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| 01:36.07 | dynamite | http://www.debuntu.org/iptables-how-to-share-your-internet-connection |
| 01:36.09 | mick_laptop | i did - i also said that i wasn't sure what to search for |
| 01:36.17 | mick_laptop | ah thanks |
| 01:36.17 | dynamite | how can you not be sure on that? |
| 01:36.32 | dynamite | http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=debian+share+wifi+internet+connection |
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| 01:37.19 | mick_laptop | it is pretty late here and i've had a long few days - gimme a break ;) |
| 01:37.29 | dynamite | its 3am here (: |
| 01:37.52 | dynamite | but okay - break accepted! :P |
| 01:38.06 | _linuxftw | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.14 | dvs | mick_laptop: how did they die? |
| 01:38.21 | dynamite | _linuxftw: shhh |
| 01:38.22 | dynamite | (: |
| 01:38.29 | _linuxftw | I hope you know that you now hate freedom |
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| 01:38.43 | dynamite | if i unveal my OS, you will ignore further messages of me :D |
| 01:39.00 | dynamite | reveal* |
| 01:39.01 | _linuxftw | :P |
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| 01:39.41 | mick_laptop | dvs: my son (2 yrs old) poured water on one |
| 01:39.50 | dynamite | ahh, dont blame that on debian! |
| 01:39.52 | dynamite | (: |
| 01:39.57 | dvs | awwwwwwwww |
| 01:40.04 | mick_laptop | and the other two had similar issues |
| 01:40.05 | _linuxftw | should have installed libwaterproof |
| 01:40.11 | dynamite | hahah |
| 01:40.14 | mick_laptop | it was a macbook pro |
| 01:40.21 | _linuxftw | well there's your problem! |
| 01:40.23 | dvs | that's even worse! |
| 01:40.25 | mick_laptop | not cheap |
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| 01:40.47 | mick_laptop | he took the keys off of another one |
| 01:41.13 | mick_laptop | and I just got an Acer 2 days ago - and the thing has keys that fall off when you type |
| 01:41.25 | mick_laptop | not totally "hosed" but really annoying |
| 01:41.58 | mick_laptop | my son took an XO-1 (laptop.org) and totally shreaded the kb |
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| 01:42.25 | mick_laptop | i'm still trying to find a replacement |
| 01:42.28 | dvs | suggests that mick_laptop 's son works for QA |
| 01:42.35 | _linuxftw | water,keyboards and keyboards then? |
| 01:42.36 | mick_laptop | but anyways that is all OT |
| 01:42.54 | mick_laptop | another one was drool |
| 01:43.03 | mick_laptop | on my touchpad |
| 01:43.20 | mick_laptop | i almost forgot about that one |
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| 01:43.21 | abrotman | anyway ... |
| 01:43.25 | _linuxftw | do apple still put water sensors in their products? If not, claim the MBP on warranty |
| 01:43.28 | mick_laptop | yeah, sorry about that |
| 01:43.37 | mick_laptop | they do have sensors |
| 01:43.51 | dynamite | but not in the laptops, do they? |
| 01:43.53 | dynamite | oh |
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| 01:43.55 | dynamite | sorry - OT |
| 01:43.57 | mick_laptop | yeah they do |
| 01:44.02 | mick_laptop | yeah yeah -- |
| 01:44.12 | mick_laptop | OT, and it is my problem not yours |
| 01:44.22 | mick_laptop | now I'll need to fix the fucking hfsplus driver |
| 01:44.28 | mick_laptop | that is debian related |
| 01:44.31 | mick_laptop | :) |
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| 01:45.00 | mick_laptop | since it is written according to spec but the apple guys didn't conform to their own specs |
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| 01:45.31 | mick_laptop | if you unplug an hfsplus device uncleanly it leaves it in a fcked up state |
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| 01:45.44 | mick_laptop | so you can't mount it rw anymore |
| 01:46.25 | mick_laptop | dynamite: guess I am moody :( |
| 01:46.31 | mick_laptop | I'm off to bed then |
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| 01:46.59 | dynamite | thought so. |
| 01:47.00 | dynamite | (: |
| 01:47.29 | _linuxftw | I was about to tell him my heartwarming story about trying to mount an HFS+ drive some years ago, but not having heard of GPT I thought it was fucked, until I hard coded the partition offset from the drive start |
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| 01:52.35 | dehaeL | is the freenode net the sort of defacto standard for official open source projects irc chans or are there better networks? |
| 01:53.08 | dynamite | dehaeL: id say so |
| 01:53.13 | dynamite | #1 |
| 01:53.20 | dehaeL | good :) |
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| 02:02.27 | jnewt | how do i get a users passord? I know how to change it, but i don't want to have to re-do a bunch of saved network maps. |
| 02:02.45 | dynamite | jnewt: you dont |
| 02:02.59 | jnewt | damn, i was hoping you wouldn't say that |
| 02:03.04 | abrotman | jnewt: you can .. but why would you want to? |
| 02:03.12 | dynamite | sounds dodgy |
| 02:03.20 | abrotman | !jacktheripper |
| 02:03.21 | abrotman | bleh |
| 02:03.44 | jnewt | i want to so i don't have to re-do a bunch of saved passwords. |
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| 02:05.54 | dehaeL | @jnewt what a *nix os user account password? |
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| 02:14.04 | jnewt | yeah |
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| 02:14.36 | dynamite | yeah indeed. |
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| 02:15.31 | AnthLee | anyone got an idea how to make apt-get source ignore missing files and continue on with the operating (Say for a script that downloads all source packages for the installed system and makes a tarball)- Firmware don't have source packages ... |
| 02:15.42 | AnthLee | operation* |
| 02:16.08 | AnthLee | -m and --ignore-missing don't work with apt-get source :( |
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| 02:20.27 | Sw33NY | hi all |
| 02:20.57 | Sw33NY | any people to help me for create Xorg.conf with nv driver ? |
| 02:21.17 | AnthLee | the proprietary driver? |
| 02:21.50 | Sw33NY | AnthLee: no |
| 02:21.54 | Sw33NY | debian driver |
| 02:22.23 | Sw33NY | it working good but i can't start desktop effects |
| 02:24.01 | Sw33NY | it tell me "check your X configuration" |
| 02:24.16 | Sw33NY | when a enter it : Xorg -configure i have many errors |
| 02:25.21 | AnthLee | the nv driver does not support 3D effects like compiz |
| 02:25.22 | Corey | AnthLee: Script in a " || true" |
| 02:25.30 | Corey | Your script will then continue in theory. |
| 02:25.39 | Sw33NY | AnthLee: like Kwin effects ? |
| 02:25.54 | Sw33NY | i don't understand Corey |
| 02:25.58 | macrobat | i don't think nv ha sthe power to do desktop effects. try noveau if you don't want nvidia |
| 02:26.10 | abrotman | wonders why Corey isn't KB1Wtr3ra-whatever |
| 02:26.14 | AnthLee | Sw33NY, correct. You need nouveau or the proprietary driver |
| 02:26.31 | AnthLee | or use Xfce which does 2D effects .. |
| 02:26.35 | macrobat | even vesa is better than nv, |
| 02:26.49 | Sw33NY | macrobat: i use Wheezy version |
| 02:26.59 | Sw33NY | i think it nouveau driver it use |
| 02:27.04 | Sw33NY | how can i check it ? |
| 02:27.14 | AnthLee | Corey, I think I got my issue solved by running apt-get source for each and every package using a loop instead of all at once .. so some statements can fail |
| 02:27.27 | macrobat | Sw33NY: maybe lsmod | grep noveau |
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| 02:28.14 | Sw33NY | that's it macrobat i use nouveau driver |
| 02:28.42 | Sw33NY | just, i think i must create Xorg.conf to start kwin effects no ? |
| 02:28.53 | AnthLee | Sw33NY, its probably a bug in Wheezy ... you should not need an Xorg file |
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| 02:29.49 | Sw33NY | ok AnthLee |
| 02:30.16 | macrobat | xorg.conf is good for specifying things that X guesses wrong. i don't know if noveau can do much 3D stuff yet |
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| 02:31.17 | AnthLee | macrobat, it should handle Kwin and compiz ... not much else |
| 02:31.39 | AnthLee | Sw33NY, I suggest installing the proprietary Nvidia driver |
| 02:31.57 | Sw33NY | yes AnthLee i think i go to do it |
| 02:32.25 | macrobat | sry, my french is bad. i think it's called "nouveau" |
| 02:32.53 | AnthLee | macrobat, nobody can spell it anyway .... and sadly its not up to stuff yet :( |
| 02:33.47 | Sw33NY | macrobat: that's it |
| 02:34.11 | Sw33NY | but im not sure "nouveau" driver is proprietary .. |
| 02:34.46 | AnthLee | no thats open source |
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| 02:46.34 | xemacs4321 | i have marvel 88e8053 netwok card , how to i find microcode blob pack with correct driver (also know as yunkon sky2 ) works for install but not for running system ? |
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| 02:47.10 | xemacs4321 | wiwfi is way to slow |
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| 02:47.35 | jhutchins_lt | sky2 is notoriously bad. |
| 02:47.43 | jhutchins_lt | xemacs4321: pciid? |
| 02:47.56 | xemacs4321 | what is pcid ? |
| 02:48.29 | xemacs4321 | 00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 19) |
| 02:48.37 | xemacs4321 | thats lspci |
| 02:49.07 | babilen | xemacs4321: "lspci -nn" ;) |
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| 02:49.36 | xemacs4321 | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller [11ab:4362] (rev 19) |
| 02:49.36 | xemacs4321 | 0 |
| 02:50.23 | babilen | ,pciid 11ab:4362 |
| 02:50.25 | judd | [11ab:4362] is '88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller' from 'Marvell Technology Group Ltd.' with kernel module 'sky2' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=11ab:4362 http://wiki.debian.org/sky2 |
| 02:50.47 | treund | xemacs4321: i had a 88e8053 on an asus board a while back and think it could also use the forecedeth driver? is that possible |
| 02:51.22 | xemacs4321 | let me check links 1st, not sure what you are saying |
| 02:51.39 | xemacs4321 | i just need it to work |
| 02:51.56 | xemacs4321 | install package or create alias , but where / how ? |
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| 02:56.06 | xemacs4321 | bingo needed kernel module |
| 02:56.29 | xemacs4321 | now how where is autoload list for boot ? |
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| 02:56.58 | babilen | xemacs4321: /etc/modules + /etc/initramfs-tools/modules (depends on when you need it) |
| 02:57.17 | babilen | xemacs4321: /etc/modules is probably fine :) |
| 02:57.27 | xemacs4321 | thankyou all |
| 02:57.43 | xemacs4321 | now the smoke test |
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| 03:08.32 | Bop | where is libdvdcss ?» |
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| 03:12.48 | Sw33NY | any people to kill me please :D |
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| 03:18.07 | aussa | I'm trying "./scons" to build but it is not working... it says: the md5 module si deprecated |
| 03:20.41 | babilen | aussa: It is impossible to help you without knowing what you are trying to built and a complete error log. You question is like asking: "I just walked around a corner, I saw a red squirrel. Where am I?" |
| 03:21.23 | dynamite | Central Park! |
| 03:21.28 | dynamite | So obvious... |
| 03:21.31 | dynamite | (: |
| 03:21.36 | babilen | granted :) |
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| 03:25.06 | aussa | I'm trying to build OpenSG, "DeprecationWarning: the md5 module is deprecated; use hashlib instead; md5 = imp.load_module('md5', file, name, desc)" |
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| 03:25.25 | dynamite | the answer is already in the error |
| 03:25.40 | babilen | yes, that is a warning, nothing serious. |
| 03:25.49 | aussa | ok, how do I use hash lib then? |
| 03:27.16 | babilen | aussa: "import hashlib" "m = haslib.md5()" ... But this is #debian, not #python :) |
| 03:27.25 | babilen | hashlib even :) |
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| 03:28.23 | babilen | and fwiw, "imp.load_module('md5', file, name, desc) looks horrible :) |
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| 03:45.27 | Tobias|| | File names in bash seem to be deformed when operating under su; i.e. 'lib32' becomes 'li332'. Anybody know a potential reason why this is? |
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| 03:46.11 | Tobias|| | This is in the part of my commandline before the #; i.e. 'tobias-thinkpad li332 #' |
| 03:49.23 | Rusty1 | Tobias||: while waiting for an answer here, there is a #bash channel |
| 03:50.08 | rww | Tobias||: what's the output of 'echo $PS1'? |
| 03:50.31 | Tobias|| | ${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;31m\]\h\[\033[01;34m\] \W \$\[\033[00m\] |
| 03:52.32 | jelly-home | Tobias||: what if you got rid of all the colors |
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| 03:53.03 | Tobias|| | Provided I did that without breaking anything, I imagine it would look identical sans colour |
| 03:53.12 | jelly-home | don't imagine, try |
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| 03:54.01 | Tobias|| | Yes sir |
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| 03:56.47 | Tobias|| | Still broken for export PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\h \W \$ ' |
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| 04:02.51 | jelly-home | Tobias|: echo $TERM? is it still broken after a "reset" command? |
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| 04:03.37 | Tobias| | Still broken after reset, $TERM = xterm |
| 04:04.09 | jelly-home | it sounded like a terminal emulator issue, but it might be something else |
| 04:04.25 | jelly-home | Tobias|: dpkg -l libc6 bash |tail -2 ? |
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| 04:04.54 | Tobias| | ii bash 4.1-3 The GNU Bourne Again SHell / ii libc6 2.11.2-11 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 04:05.52 | prince_jammys | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=589084 |
| 04:06.02 | Tobias| | Seems to happen in both gnome terminal and /dev/tty2 |
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| 04:06.20 | prince_jammys | looks like a bash bug. |
| 04:06.29 | prince_jammys | your \W |
| 04:06.45 | Tobias| | Hmm |
| 04:06.59 | Tobias| | That's fascinating |
| 04:07.17 | prince_jammys | yes, mesmerizing |
| 04:07.30 | prince_jammys | update bash? |
| 04:07.38 | jelly-home | yeah, one would think wanton use of strcpy() would be out of style in 2010 |
| 04:08.03 | Tobias| | I'll just substitute in \w instead of \W for now |
| 04:08.24 | prince_jammys | ${PWD##*/} |
| 04:08.48 | prince_jammys | of course, you don't get your tilde then. |
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| 04:09.47 | stew | and he'd have to not use PS1 but something else like PROMPT_COMMAND |
| 04:10.04 | prince_jammys | nah, he can stick that in there. |
| 04:10.45 | stew | ah, my mistake |
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| 04:11.12 | Tobias| | O_o |
| 04:11.16 | Tobias| | shuffles along |
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| 04:12.32 | Pascalcmoi | the stable use which kernel |
| 04:12.50 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 04:12.52 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-4); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-3); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 04:13.11 | jelly-home | Pascalcmoi: squeeze ^^ |
| 04:14.07 | Pascalcmoi | ok because ubuntu 11.04 is using 2.6.38-8 and it seems alot buggy here |
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| 04:18.43 | nsadmin | hi, I have an internal net and I want to put cups on a machine that's pretty much up all the time, and hook other machines to it... how would I go about that in a debian system? |
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| 04:19.50 | nsadmin | the "other machines" are already connected physically (and dns is also working) |
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| 04:25.16 | justin_ | nsadmin: pretty sure cups will do that kind of thing by default |
| 04:25.48 | justin_ | nsadmin: you just have to enable sharing on the printer entries |
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| 04:27.14 | nsadmin | ahh. so need to define the printer on the gw |
| 04:27.49 | nsadmin | then turn on sharing (can I restrict who can print based on ip? on interface? |
| 04:27.51 | nsadmin | ) |
| 04:28.53 | justin_ | probably, i'm sure the cups admin guide covers this stuff |
| 04:29.43 | nsadmin | !cups |
| 04:29.43 | dpkg | [cups] Common UNIX Printing System. CUPS provides a portable printing layer for UNIX-based operating systems and supports the Internet Printing Protocol. To install, ask me about <cups setup>. See also <debug cups>. http://cups.org/articles.php?L+TFAQ http://www.cups.org/ ##cups on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 04:30.25 | nsadmin | oh there's a chanel |
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| 04:40.30 | aypea[3] | can someone recommend a cli partition editing util other than fdisk and parted? I need to resize one and neither is of any use |
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| 04:41.45 | jelly-home | aypea[3]: sfdisk and a text editor |
| 04:41.58 | proq | how do I start up network-manager from the command-line? wicd isn't able to connect to my wireless router |
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| 04:42.21 | aypea[3] | jelly: thanks. |
| 04:43.01 | streuner | proq: i doubt that has any effect |
| 04:43.08 | jelly-home | aypea[3]: sfdisk -d /dev/yourdisk > yourdisk.sfdisk, edit the file and pipe it back to sfdisk /dev/yourdisk |
| 04:43.28 | proq | streuner: you doubt what has any effect? |
| 04:43.49 | streuner | proq: /etc/init.d/network-manager (re)start |
| 04:44.53 | aypea[3] | jelly: thanks again =) |
| 04:45.01 | jelly-home | aypea[3]: NO WARRANTY |
| 04:45.06 | proq | hrm... how do I connect to my wireless router with network manager? |
| 04:45.11 | aypea[3] | none requested. i have a backup :) |
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| 04:47.04 | streuner | proq: if the chipset is supported, just read http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 04:49.11 | anima- | proq, iwconfig :p |
| 04:49.12 | streuner | proq: and btw, make sure every other daemon for wlan is disabled then (if you try NM another time), i.e. wicd, interfaces |
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| 04:51.42 | anima- | hmm that sucks the default debian netinst doesnt come with bzip XD |
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| 04:59.20 | proq | I can cannect with gnome, but I don't use gnome - I use ratpoison. the wiki suggests I should use wicd but wicd says the password is bad |
| 05:00.08 | anima- | proq, so setup iwconfig manually, then setup wpa_supplicant and see if that works |
| 05:00.31 | anima- | if it does then write a startup script |
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| 05:01.03 | jmwpc | Can someone please point me to a mail server configuration tutorial using the default mail components selected in the debian installer? I have been searching but have had much luck. This isn't for production, just learning. |
| 05:01.36 | nsadmin | jmwpc first what mail server do you want to use |
| 05:01.51 | nsadmin | the one that's installed is probably exim4 |
| 05:02.22 | jmwpc | ndadmin: I selected the mail server role in the installer. I believe it was exim |
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| 05:03.08 | nsadmin | so it installed... something... |
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| 05:03.42 | SolomonKull | look in /etc/exim4/ |
| 05:03.49 | nsadmin | so, now thqt you know it's exim, you now know it's exim docs you're looking for |
| 05:04.07 | SolomonKull | man exim4 |
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| 05:04.58 | jmwpc | nsadmin: Whatever the default components would be, unfortunately this is completely new territory for me. I'm also not opposed to starting over and going piece by piece. I'm just looking to go through a mail server install/config to begin familiarizing myself with the components. |
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| 05:06.27 | nsadmin | jmwpc, what's your purpose in learning about the mail server you have? |
| 05:07.27 | SolomonKull | jmwpc: Google "exim4 tutorial" or "exim4 setup". Its not hard to find the info if you actually look for it. Read man exim4. Read info exim4. Look at the config files and see if it's easy enough to figure out on your own with the help of the comments. |
| 05:07.38 | jmwpc | nsadmin: eventually to replace an exchange server for a friend... small business. |
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| 05:09.16 | nsadmin | your friend has asked you to do this? |
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| 05:10.08 | jmwpc | SolomonKull: I'll go ahead and start there, my initial searches were a bit too broad (not package specific, since there is more than one way to go). |
| 05:10.34 | nsadmin | this is an important point... if he's asked you to replace it specifically with a linux solution, good enough... but, you need to tread carefully if it's not his idea |
| 05:11.06 | SolomonKull | Just look at the config file, it's all self explantory. If you cannot figure it out then maybe you _shouldnt_ try to replace their server. Find someone who can. |
| 05:11.55 | anima- | can see it all now... new mail server goes up, starts spamming with in a week |
| 05:12.00 | jmwpc | nsadmin: I'm just looking at other options at this point, and yes he's aware. He runs a small (like 5 employees) business and we have worked together for many man years. |
| 05:12.19 | gentx | I just installed debian & kde, but I can't find firefox in the repos via aptitude |
| 05:12.28 | proq | how do I make settings to iwconfig take effect? the manpage says to run cammands like iwconfig eth2 essid bob, but when I do that and run iwconfig again the essid didn't stick |
| 05:12.37 | jmwpc | nsadmin: (read: not mission critical stuff here) |
| 05:12.39 | anima- | gentx, firefox.com |
| 05:12.41 | SolomonKull | gentx: sudo apt-get install iceweasel |
| 05:13.00 | SolomonKull | Iceweasel is Debian's version of FireFox. |
| 05:13.00 | nsadmin | if you're presenting it as a replacement, he has to think about whether he needs to (a) learn linux/debian, (b) hire someone who is capable of doing this, (c) use you for this while you learn or (d) not switch to linux |
| 05:13.07 | anima- | proq, set the essid and channel then ifconfig interface up |
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| 05:13.26 | gentx | SolomonKull: Is there functional difference or is it just branding on top of firefox? |
| 05:13.42 | anima- | gentx, branding, because the firefox logo is non-free |
| 05:16.33 | nsadmin | jmwpc: if you've worked together before, that's a big plus |
| 05:17.19 | aypea[3] | sigh. well that didn't work. |
| 05:17.28 | SolomonKull | What didnt work? |
| 05:17.36 | nsadmin | but if you and he have not discussed who will take responsibility for the mail server once it's in place, it's likely to default to you in his mind |
| 05:18.00 | SolomonKull | nsadmin: which means it's an ongoing job. Bonus, is the money is right. |
| 05:18.08 | SolomonKull | if* |
| 05:18.18 | aypea[3] | is trying to resize a dumb partition. failing awesomely. |
| 05:18.22 | jmwpc | nsadmin: for like, 13 years. I appreciate where you're coming from. My main goal right now is to get a feel for the technology as a possible replacement for M$... He's big on free. He would be just as lost in Active Directory as he would at a bash prompt. |
| 05:18.39 | SolomonKull | aypea[3]: is it on the same drive that your OS is on, or is it a seperate partition? |
| 05:18.42 | nsadmin | since this is a business, server failurs could be money loss |
| 05:18.54 | streuner | proq: it might be easier if you just make an entry for /etc/network/interfaces -> http://pastebin.com/yDaqAdS0 |
| 05:19.16 | aypea[3] | same drive. i know there are issues with it picking up on partition changes on a table that's in use but even after reboot the changes don't stick around. |
| 05:19.27 | nsadmin | got it... worthy goal. |
| 05:20.08 | SolomonKull | aypea[3]: you cannot partition a drive that is in use. Boot into a LiveCD and use GParted to resize the partition, and then format the unused space to the filesystem you would prefer, usually ext3 or ext4. |
| 05:20.18 | nsadmin | does he want an active directory type thing? |
| 05:20.25 | jmwpc | nsadmin: :) I'll start by looking at the exim4 docs... thanks for the help guys |
| 05:20.33 | nsadmin | if so maybe learning ldap is in your future |
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| 05:21.17 | nsadmin | also if so... setting all this up is probably going to be a big job |
| 05:21.18 | aypea[3] | solomon: you can, actually. i've done it before. the problem arises from the fact that the OS cannot be told there's a new partition table on the drive whilst it is u=in use so a. you cannot change the start of a partition and b. have to reboot for the OS to pick up on it. |
| 05:21.51 | aypea[3] | is just going to have to create a new vm and ignore debian's suggested partitioning scheme. |
| 05:21.52 | proq | streuner: thanks, trying that |
| 05:22.05 | SolomonKull | aypea[3]: why not save yoruself the trouble and do it from a Livecd? Its just so damn easy to do... |
| 05:22.19 | aypea[3] | solomon: because this should work. |
| 05:22.27 | SolomonKull | No, it shouldnt. |
| 05:22.29 | streuner | proq: keep in mind, its for a static IP, you have to disable DHCP in your wireless router then |
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| 05:22.44 | SolomonKull | My understanding is that gparted and parted cannot edit partitions that are in use/mounted etc. |
| 05:22.52 | aypea[3] | solomon: yes. |
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| 05:22.55 | aypea[3] | solomon: correct. |
| 05:23.07 | aypea[3] | solomon: because the kernel has a lock on the partition table. |
| 05:23.13 | SolomonKull | That means you NEED to be ina Live environment or on a different HD, which you already said you were not. |
| 05:23.23 | aypea[3] | does not mean that. |
| 05:23.27 | SolomonKull | So LiveCD is the only solution that makes sense. |
| 05:23.30 | SolomonKull | Does so. |
| 05:23.33 | streuner | proq: just change the settings if you want dynamic IP, as we told you before, also make sure network-manager daemon is disabled then (/etc/init.d/network-manager stop) |
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| 05:23.39 | proq | streuner: yeah, I am trying it with dhcp |
| 05:23.44 | aypea[3] | this conversation is pointless. thank you for trying to help. |
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| 05:24.43 | SolomonKull | You cannot edit a disk in use. Hence, if you are _not_ using a different OS on anotehr drive to edit the partition then you must use a live environment to edit the partition scheme. If there's another way I'd love to know about it, but I do not knwo of one. |
| 05:24.57 | proq | that doesn't seem right, it says dhcpdiscover on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5. is that IP address correct? |
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| 05:25.48 | streuner | proq: nah, you need to change the entry in interfaces then |
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| 05:26.08 | SolomonKull | proq: trying to get an IP via DHCP? Have you tried sudo ifconfig foobar 192.168.*.* where the foobar is the eth0/wlan followed by yoru desired IP? |
| 05:26.39 | SolomonKull | example: sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.2.12 |
| 05:26.49 | SolomonKull | That calls DHCP and asks for that IP. |
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| 05:27.07 | aypea[3] | proq: yes. it doesn't know what the ip address of the dhcp server is so it's going for a global broadcast to ask. |
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| 05:27.25 | anima- | SolomonKull, that doesnt call dhcp that sets a static address |
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| 05:28.00 | streuner | proq: # auto eth0 # iface eth0 inet dhcp - for example |
| 05:28.01 | SolomonKull | Oh. Either way, it will work if all you need is to get an IP. |
| 05:28.08 | anima- | dhclient <iface> <would request an address from the DHCP server |
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| 05:29.20 | anima- | twiddles thumbs waiting for trinity to install on this netinst |
| 05:30.03 | streuner | proq: btw, whats the name of the device wlan0? |
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| 05:30.24 | proq | my wireless device is eth1 |
| 05:30.46 | streuner | hm, an unusual name for a wireless device |
| 05:31.39 | streuner | proq: what says the kernel about? (dmesg) |
| 05:31.58 | paquin | may be iwconfig could be your friend |
| 05:32.26 | proq | dmesg says eth1: no IPv6 routers present |
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| 05:33.34 | moses | whats the default web browser installed with debain? |
| 05:33.35 | paquin | iwconfig probes for wireless extensions on all interfaces known by kernel |
| 05:33.45 | moses | i accidently overrid it by installing firefox |
| 05:33.52 | moses | and now i dont know what the name is to run it |
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| 05:33.56 | kgoetz | moses: iceweasel, and iirc epiphany is there too |
| 05:34.00 | proq | moses: epiphany |
| 05:34.03 | paquin | moses, GNOME -> epiphany web browser |
| 05:34.05 | moses | are you sure? |
| 05:34.07 | moses | idk about that |
| 05:34.14 | paquin | moses, KDE -> konqueror |
| 05:34.22 | moses | i had KDE on it |
| 05:34.28 | moses | ok how do i run it |
| 05:34.45 | moses | type konqueror in console? |
| 05:35.07 | moses | also |
| 05:35.13 | moses | i want to install opera |
| 05:35.19 | moses | but i tried to install it |
| 05:35.21 | moses | no dice |
| 05:35.25 | proq | moses: I just installed debian 6 today and epiphany was in the toolbar |
| 05:35.25 | moses | whats operas name |
| 05:35.33 | moses | i installed kde |
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| 05:35.49 | proq | moses: oh, nevermind then |
| 05:36.06 | paquin | opera is not packaged in official debian distributions |
| 05:36.14 | streuner | !opera |
| 05:36.15 | dpkg | Opera is a cross-platform web browser and Internet suite, which handles common tasks including visiting web sites and sending/receiving e-mail. Opera is freeware (as of version 8.5) but NOT open source. It is not included in Debian and therefore not supported by #debian. To install, ask me about <opera apt> and see http://wiki.debian.org/Opera . http://www.opera.com/support/ #opera on irc.opera.com. |
| 05:36.16 | moses | can i add it though? |
| 05:36.20 | paquin | may be you could google to find apt source for it |
| 05:36.27 | SolomonKull | Google is your friend. |
| 05:36.30 | moses | whats a good web browser then? |
| 05:36.41 | proq | chrome |
| 05:36.41 | SolomonKull | moses: iceweasel, its firefox rebranded. |
| 05:36.49 | SolomonKull | chromium |
| 05:36.54 | aypea[3] | iceape :) |
| 05:37.03 | streuner | telnet :-P |
| 05:37.07 | SolomonKull | Anything that has the ability to use AdBlock+ and NoScript is a good browser. |
| 05:37.09 | paquin | lynx of course |
| 05:37.24 | SolomonKull | streuner: telnet? #windows95 is that way ====> |
| 05:37.28 | anima- | paquin, psh real men browse with telnet |
| 05:37.42 | SolomonKull | Real men use wget |
| 05:37.43 | proq | there has been talk that chrome is harder to hack, but... that could always change after a few security releases |
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| 05:38.34 | anima- | SolomonKull, :P why would he have to go to a windows room for mentioning telnet ? |
| 05:39.02 | SolomonKull | anima-: telnet is a descendant of the beast, is it not? |
| 05:39.19 | streuner | dpkg, info telnet |
| 05:39.25 | dpkg | telnet: (The telnet client), section net, is standard. Version: 0.17-36 (sid), Packaged size: 64 kB, Installed size: 144 kB |
| 05:39.29 | proq | telnet is unencrypted |
| 05:39.40 | SolomonKull | SSH > telnet |
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| 05:40.08 | SolomonKull | Telnet, by default, does not encrypt any data sent over the connection (including passwords), and so it is often practical to eavesdrop on the communications and use the password later for malicious purposes; anybody who has access to a router, switch, hub or gateway located on the network between the two hosts where Telnet is being used can intercept the packets passing by and obtain login, password |
| 05:40.10 | SolomonKull | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:40.39 | SolomonKull | Most implementations of Telnet have no authentication that would ensure communication is carried out between the two desired hosts and not intercepted in the middle. |
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| 05:41.28 | paquin | anima, I don't use incomprensible source code as telnet bugs |
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| 05:42.45 | anima- | SolomonKull, no. telnet was around 15+ years before microsoft |
| 05:43.16 | SolomonKull | Longer than 15, its from the 60s. |
| 05:43.29 | anima- | its actually defined in RFC 15 |
| 05:43.32 | SolomonKull | Its just that every NT server in teh world seems to use telnet instead of ssh. |
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| 05:44.00 | anima- | SolomonKull, hm just checked, its 6 years older than microsoft |
| 05:44.32 | SolomonKull | Telnet was developed in 1969. |
| 05:44.53 | anima- | microsoft was founded in 75 |
| 05:45.24 | SolomonKull | April 4, 1975. |
| 05:46.14 | rww | Telnet was 18 years old when I was born. |
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| 05:46.42 | tensorpudding | 69? damn |
| 05:47.14 | dudz_ | anima-, did you goto the toilet in 75 ? |
| 05:47.18 | tensorpudding | rfc 15! |
| 05:47.34 | tensorpudding | we're talking double-digit rfc's here |
| 05:48.07 | SolomonKull | Indeed. |
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| 05:49.44 | streuner | telnet was just a joke, not more or less, but i doubt there is a browser which is able to deal with some crappy websites :-) |
| 05:50.10 | SolomonKull | streuner: in which case you use wget and download the site. |
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| 05:50.31 | SolomonKull | Use a computer like a real man, wget the internet! |
| 05:50.33 | proq | what is the entry #NetworkManager#iface eth0 inet dhcp in the /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 05:50.38 | streuner | hehe |
| 05:51.25 | streuner | proq: # auto eth0 # iface eth0 inet dhcp - for example |
| 05:51.34 | streuner | proq: just change that for your needs |
| 05:51.53 | streuner | proq: and run "ifup eth2" then |
| 05:52.25 | streuner | proq: but, who told you that your wireless device is eth2? some docs? |
| 05:52.48 | paquin | proq, what says iwconfig. Did you try it? |
| 05:53.25 | paquin | proq, it could give you some information on your wireless device |
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| 05:54.22 | proq | streuner: no, my wireless device is eth1. ifconfig and iwconfig identified it as that |
| 05:54.39 | streuner | ok |
| 05:55.09 | proq | ifup eth1 tries for a bit and then says no dhcpoffers received - no working leases in persistent database |
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| 05:55.40 | streuner | proq: is eth0 running? |
| 05:55.41 | proq | iwconfig doesn't look unusual, except that essid is "" |
| 05:55.55 | proq | no |
| 05:55.58 | streuner | make sure eth0 is down too |
| 05:56.16 | proq | eth0 doesn't even appear in ifconfig - I booted without it |
| 05:57.04 | streuner | proq: did you disabled wicd/network-manager daemon too? |
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| 05:57.34 | proq | I apt-get removed wicd, but not network-manager |
| 05:57.55 | streuner | nah, just use /etc/init.d/<daemon> stop |
| 05:58.25 | streuner | (no need to remove packages) |
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| 05:59.58 | paquin | proq, what kind of wireless device you own? (lspci should give you that information) |
| 06:00.15 | proq | it's a broadcom |
| 06:00.58 | proq | the device works ok in network-manager in gnome but I can't get it to work in ratpoison |
| 06:01.09 | streuner | oh |
| 06:01.36 | streuner | it should run via interfaces then |
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| 06:02.31 | streuner | but, what should be the difference running NM in ratpoison and GNOME? |
| 06:02.43 | streuner | but, what should be the difference running NM in ratpoison OR GNOME? |
| 06:02.55 | proq | it doesn't seem to run at all in ratpoison |
| 06:03.01 | streuner | hm |
| 06:03.05 | proq | if I know how to start it up, I would be done |
| 06:03.09 | proq | *knew |
| 06:04.04 | SolomonKull | proq: did you know that you can use ratpoison _with_ gnome? Just open a terminal after gnome in loaded and killall metacity; ratpoison & I have a scipt on one of my boxes that does this with awesomewm instead of ratpoison but I assume the basic concept is still relevant. |
| 06:04.17 | SolomonKull | is loaded* |
| 06:04.18 | moele | is there a way |
| 06:04.25 | moele | to see what CPU clock speed is set to right now |
| 06:04.36 | moele | like what its actually operating at |
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| 06:04.48 | SolomonKull | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 06:05.15 | SolomonKull | moele: ^ |
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| 06:06.52 | streuner | proq: are you able to ping the wireless router? |
| 06:06.59 | moele | SolomonKull, it says my main cpu is at its regular clock speed, but the other 7 are scaled down |
| 06:07.06 | moele | SolomonKull, is that normal? if not how can I correct this |
| 06:07.28 | proq | streuner: no |
| 06:07.50 | SolomonKull | moele: I'm sorry, I'm not sure to be honest. |
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| 06:09.24 | proq | SolomonKull: I see a gnome-network-manager, I wonder if that is all I need to run for it it work |
| 06:09.40 | streuner | proq: but using iwlist scan see the router? |
| 06:10.05 | paquin | moele, may be you could apt-get cpufrequtils to manage CPU frequences |
| 06:10.42 | mbac | dumb question, apt-get is telling me libcrypto++8 isn't installable |
| 06:10.53 | mbac | i'm tracking unstable in my apt sources |
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| 06:11.48 | moele | paquin, what about a tool to increase my fan speed? |
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| 06:11.58 | streuner | judd, versions libcrypto++8 |
| 06:12.00 | judd | Package libcrypto++8 on i386 -- squeeze: 5.6.0-6; wheezy: 5.6.0-6 |
| 06:12.17 | home-alone | hi . where i can i get my self as a registered debian user...???? |
| 06:12.35 | mbac | judd, is it not in sid? |
| 06:12.35 | streuner | mbac: look at packages.debian.org/libcrypto++8 - it seems it isnt in sid |
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| 06:12.47 | mbac | weird. what's that all about. |
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| 06:13.21 | home-alone | how to regiser as a debian user...??? |
| 06:13.25 | moele | i need a new heat sink for my cpu |
| 06:13.29 | moele | goes to high under pressure :( |
| 06:13.30 | moele | i dont like it |
| 06:13.35 | SolomonKull | home-alone: you dont. |
| 06:14.15 | home-alone | you mean there is no registran for debi |
| 06:14.16 | SolomonKull | Why would you need to register for Debian? |
| 06:14.16 | home-alone | an |
| 06:14.24 | SolomonKull | WHAT ARE YOU REGISTRATING? |
| 06:14.27 | SolomonKull | Makes no snese. |
| 06:14.29 | paquin | moele: fancontrol |
| 06:14.32 | SolomonKull | Just install it and use it. |
| 06:15.18 | home-alone | I am a registered Linux user . it is good way to let debian devs know how many people are using debian |
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| 06:15.27 | mbac | so there's a package in sid that depends on libcrypto++8, which isn't installable |
| 06:15.28 | SolomonKull | home-alone: just install Debian and that's all you need to do. You will be fully able to use Debain however you want, its' all Free/Libre software. Unlike Windows, you do not need to be spyed on or put into a database to use Debian. |
| 06:15.36 | rww | home-alone: no it isn't. self-selected surveys are statistically useless. |
| 06:15.39 | SolomonKull | home-alone: where did you register as a Linux user? |
| 06:15.49 | mbac | that's weird. does debian allow you to commit packages that have dependencies that can't be satisfied? |
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| 06:15.58 | SolomonKull | home-alone: downlaods of the iso are a better way to establish the number of users. |
| 06:15.59 | proq | he went to that one site that stores everyone's names in a database |
| 06:16.00 | streuner | mbac: what does BTS say about? |
| 06:16.32 | SolomonKull | mbac: just get the source from the git repo or wherever, and then install the depends afterwards. |
| 06:16.45 | Bushmills | home-alone: if you want to add the packages you're using to debian statistics, look at popularity-contest |
| 06:17.03 | SolomonKull | popularity-contest is my favorite spyware. |
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| 06:17.06 | mbac | streuner, BTS? |
| 06:17.15 | proq | you have to wonder what that site is doing with their names :) |
| 06:17.20 | home-alone | here you can register as a linux user http://counter.li.org/ |
| 06:17.24 | streuner | dpkg, +tell mbac -about bts |
| 06:17.24 | dpkg | told mbac about bts. |
| 06:17.42 | mbac | oh, sweet |
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| 06:17.49 | Bushmills | home-alone: those statistics are going into http://popcon.debian.org/ |
| 06:17.54 | SolomonKull | home-alone: that is _not_ official and I doubt anyone pays attention to it. Its useless. |
| 06:18.10 | home-alone | but it makes sense |
| 06:18.14 | proq | SolomonKull: the problem with starting gnome is I am on a netbook, and part of the problem is gnome takes 20 seconds to start |
| 06:18.15 | SolomonKull | No it doesnt |
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| 06:18.50 | LinuxGuy2009 | I have an offline machine and have copied the "pool" folders from all 8 repository DVDs onto my hard drive. I merged them all together, and then use dpkg-scanpackages to generate the packages.gz file. I added the local repository to the sources list. I need software-center to be able to install from this local repository. When I try to install something with it, it stops and says "Requires installation of untrusted packages - The action |
| 06:18.52 | streuner | proq: thats frustrating, the route of this box is borked, IMO |
| 06:19.14 | streuner | proq: its in Debian usually an interfaces thingie... |
| 06:19.28 | home-alone | ok thank you . take care |
| 06:19.41 | SolomonKull | proq: so? Its only 20 seconds. How often are you restarting your computer that 20 seconds is a problem? I'd say turning it off and on all day is a bad idea. The ammount fo time it woudl take to tweak your boot speeds would never equate to time regained. 5 hours googling the answer so you can save a total of 5 minutes by the end of the year? No thanks, not my kind of worry. Shouldnt be yours, |
| 06:19.43 | SolomonKull | either. |
| 06:19.51 | mbac | BTS says nothing about it :) |
| 06:20.50 | mbac | i guess i could report this |
| 06:21.35 | Bushmills | proq: check out hibernating and/or suspending your system |
| 06:21.49 | SolomonKull | Bushmills: no doubt the logical asnwer to his problem. |
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| 06:22.52 | proq | the other part of the problem with gnome is the window bar takes up too many pixels, and the netbook hardly has any to begin with.. 600 vertical |
| 06:23.13 | Bushmills | "window bar"? |
| 06:23.40 | Bushmills | the panel? |
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| 06:24.02 | proq | the window decoration |
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| 06:24.31 | Bushmills | ah. try different decorations, there are some slimmer ones among them |
| 06:24.34 | proq | the bar that has the useless maximize/minimize buttons, etc. |
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| 06:25.03 | Bushmills | those may not be the nicest ones to look at, but they save space |
| 06:25.29 | streuner | proq: please paste your interfaces file to a pastebin and show us your URL |
| 06:25.39 | streuner | s/your/the/ |
| 06:25.42 | anima- | proq so why not just setup the connection in /etc/network/interfaces and have it setup the wifi at boot |
| 06:25.44 | proq | it's ok, I'm going to keep slugging this out until I can get rid of gnome |
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| 06:26.12 | anima- | proq if you want to get rid of gnome add the trinity repos to debian ;) |
| 06:26.14 | proq | anima-: I added all the settings to /etc/network/interfaces and it can't get an address from the router |
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| 06:26.43 | anima- | proq, post your interfaces to pastebin |
| 06:26.50 | streuner | not a suprise, if you cannot ping that bitch at all... |
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| 06:27.31 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is there a system wide setting to allow the installation of unauthenticated packages? |
| 06:27.37 | streuner | streuner> proq: are you able to ping the wireless router? |
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| 06:28.01 | streuner | <proq> streuner: no |
| 06:28.44 | proq | ping 192.168.0.1 => connect: Network is unreachable |
| 06:28.51 | streuner | sure |
| 06:28.53 | proq | that seems like a chicken and egg problem though |
| 06:29.02 | proq | I don't know |
| 06:29.05 | streuner | nah, its an interfaces thingie |
| 06:29.05 | anima- | LinuxGuy2009, why would you want that ? set up a repo and sign it, then add the key to the boxes keyring |
| 06:29.26 | streuner | proq: we told you, just show us your interfaces file |
| 06:29.44 | proq | streuner: working on it |
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| 06:31.44 | thetooth | Hi |
| 06:32.42 | thetooth | how would i go about installing kfreebsd kernel into an existing debian install, whilst still keeping packages/settings etc |
| 06:32.49 | proq | http://paste.lisp.org/+2LWC |
| 06:33.40 | streuner | proq: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 06:33.51 | jsmartin_ | proq, using ipv6? |
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| 06:34.09 | mbac | interesting, i can't find this dependency listed anywhere in the deb-src |
| 06:34.18 | bin_bash | Hello. I'm trying to figure out which version of python i'm running on my server. waht's the command to figure that out in terminal? |
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| 06:34.39 | nsadmin | man python says? |
| 06:34.49 | Bushmills | python --version |
| 06:35.09 | bin_bash | thanks |
| 06:35.33 | jrt4 | Since Debian stable uses very old versions of software, does this tend to make it problematic for very new hardware (new laptops, specifically)? |
| 06:35.47 | proq | ok, annotated with the /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:35.59 | jrt4 | (Compared to distros like Ubuntu, which use buggy/unstable but newer software) |
| 06:36.01 | proq | and no, that's not the real password |
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| 06:36.48 | Bushmills | jrt4: that can happen |
| 06:37.55 | bin_bash | jrt4: yeah i couldn't run debian on my brand new macbook pro |
| 06:38.00 | bin_bash | went with xubuntu instead :( |
| 06:38.10 | jrt4 | Bushmills, I'm sick of Ubuntu's constant breaking EVERY time they do a dist upgrade. This is the third time that things have gotten so broken after an upgrade that I'm going to have to reinstall. |
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| 06:38.55 | proq | jrt4: I am too. I'm going to get this freaking netbook working and not install anything on it for four years :P |
| 06:38.57 | bin_bash | jrt4: 11.04 is pretty good. though i recommend xubuntu over ubuntu, as unity is crap, and gnome is meh |
| 06:38.58 | Bushmills | jrt4: support of recent hardware is mostly a matter of the kernel you're running |
| 06:39.14 | jrt4 | bin_bash, 11.04 is pretty broken in my case. |
| 06:39.21 | proq | jrt4: any OS upgrades, I mean |
| 06:39.25 | bin_bash | really? whats wrong with it? |
| 06:39.57 | jrt4 | Random freezing, glitchy WM, buggy applications |
| 06:40.10 | proq | bin_bash: if even the shadow of the palm of my hand goes over the touchpad, it spews text into my text editor and changes cursor position |
| 06:40.27 | proq | bin_bash: well, it was until I installed debian :) |
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| 06:40.49 | nsadmin | why complain about ubuntu here? aside from preaching to the choir and adding fuel to the fire that may or may not be brewing right now, why not just run debian? |
| 06:40.52 | jrt4 | Bushmills, And I can use a newer version of the kernel than the one Debian packages by default without any major issues right? |
| 06:40.56 | mbac | cool, thanks everyone |
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| 06:40.57 | bin_bash | proq: that's easy to fix |
| 06:41.09 | bin_bash | nsadmin: I can't run debian on this computer. |
| 06:41.19 | proq | bin_bash: sigh... nothing is easy to fix right now somehow |
| 06:41.22 | nsadmin | why not? |
| 06:41.28 | bin_bash | nsadmin: no drivers |
| 06:41.37 | proq | bin_bash: in any case, I'm on debian now and I wanted to install debian anyways |
| 06:41.45 | nsadmin | use a ubuntu kernel and see if that works |
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| 06:41.55 | Bushmills | jrt4: generally, yes. though where to get a recent kernel from depends a bit on how daring you are. |
| 06:41.56 | bin_bash | meh i cba to do all that work |
| 06:42.04 | streuner | proq: fine, so you should finally tell us your interfaces file :-) |
| 06:42.21 | proq | streuner: I annotated that paste with the file contents |
| 06:42.27 | nsadmin | cba... it's easy as 321... |
| 06:42.45 | bin_bash | i'm still kind of a n00v |
| 06:42.46 | bin_bash | n00b |
| 06:42.51 | bin_bash | i wouldn't know how to do that tbh |
| 06:43.14 | jrt4 | Bushmills, OK. Thanks. I suppose I don't really have much to lose at this point anyway by giving it a shot (other than time) |
| 06:43.25 | nsadmin | point being, drivers are generally in the kernel |
| 06:43.45 | streuner | proq: is that the whole interfaces? there are some entries missing...? |
| 06:43.55 | bin_bash | is Java in the repos? |
| 06:44.05 | proq | streuner: what's missing? |
| 06:44.10 | nsadmin | why, do you need java? |
| 06:44.12 | Bushmills | jrt4: within some limits, you can have different kernel versions on your system at the same time, and choose during boot which on to run. rest of system remains unaffected |
| 06:44.17 | bin_bash | nsadmin: for qwebirc |
| 06:44.53 | nsadmin | you don't need java for that... otoh, java is in non-free |
| 06:45.04 | bin_bash | it says it's recommended |
| 06:45.32 | nsadmin | there are many irc clients that don't need java (recommended is different from depends) |
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| 06:45.50 | bin_bash | nsadmin: I'm installing the backend |
| 06:46.05 | bin_bash | which is highly recommended to havejava and mercurial |
| 06:46.49 | streuner | proq: the entry for the gateway (wireless-router), the entry of the DNS-Server etc. etc. - http://pastebin.com/6YeJHWKT |
| 06:47.35 | proq | streuner: I'm not using static IP address, I'm using dhcp |
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| 06:48.08 | proq | address, netmask and gateway are used when someone uses a static ip |
| 06:48.32 | proq | dns server as well |
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| 06:48.55 | proq | how do I determine what my wpa driver is? |
| 06:49.25 | streuner | just use "wext", it should change it auto if needed |
| 06:49.31 | anima- | proq, http://pastebin.com/SazBevTk |
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| 06:50.03 | jrt4 | How often have any of you performed a dist upgrade with Debian and had it trash your system? |
| 06:50.20 | proq | anima-: that looks like streuner's paste |
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| 06:50.24 | proq | but I'm not using static IP |
| 06:50.33 | bin_bash | guise what does -RPM mean |
| 06:50.37 | streuner | just use what anima- told you |
| 06:50.39 | bin_bash | like, Java-RPM |
| 06:50.46 | bin_bash | not revolutions per minute, obvs |
| 06:50.57 | streuner | proq: you change the line wlan0 only to eht1 |
| 06:51.00 | proq | jrt4: I'm afraid to do dist upgrades... too many times with ubuntu |
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| 06:51.09 | streuner | proq: eth2 even |
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| 06:52.17 | superlinux | hi. how can I slow down the stdout coming from "./configure" when I compile on a very fast server? |
| 06:52.19 | jrt4 | proq, The primary reason I'm considering switching to Debian is to avoid this ... Third time's a charm :) ... but I don't want to bother if it's going to happen with Debian also |
| 06:52.47 | proq | jrt4: it should happen with debian also, they are too similar |
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| 06:53.13 | superlinux | still , i want ./configure to work fast. ONLY the its output is wanted slowed down. |
| 06:53.16 | proq | jrt4: there's a simple solution - separate partition for /home/user and other places |
| 06:53.27 | proq | and clean install when you update |
| 06:54.13 | proq | then you can keep your homedir files and other files that you partitioned |
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| 06:54.58 | proq | jrt4: what version did you dist-upgrade from/to? |
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| 06:55.25 | streuner | proq: how should you box know about the wireless router at all, if you dont have an entry in interfaces? |
| 06:55.35 | Bushmills | superlinux: redirect or tee it too a file which you can less |
| 06:56.01 | proq | streuner: what do you mean? the entry is there - eth1 |
| 06:56.15 | superlinux | Bushmills, I also forgot to mention that I want the output keep scrolling as it configures. |
| 06:56.32 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:56.47 | streuner | proq: gateway 192.168.0.1 |
| 06:56.48 | Bartzy|work | c.net |
| 06:56.52 | Bartzy|work | sorry. |
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| 06:57.52 | proq | streuner: trying that. funny, I added that right when you typed it |
| 06:57.56 | streuner | proq: netmask 255.255.255.0 and add the entry for the driver |
| 06:57.56 | superlinux | Bushmills, ah ok |
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| 06:58.11 | superlinux | reads the tee command manual |
| 06:58.54 | proq | no, that still failed |
| 06:59.38 | anima- | proq, are you bringing the interface down then back up ? |
| 06:59.59 | proq | anima-: it tried to connect on boot. I can try |
| 07:00.04 | anima- | ifdown <iface> && ifup <iface> |
| 07:03.16 | proq | no |
| 07:04.16 | paquin | proq: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpa_supplicant |
| 07:04.26 | anima- | proq, ok post a iwconfig && ifconfig && cat /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 07:07.54 | cheater2 | hi |
| 07:07.56 | anima- | hey |
| 07:08.03 | cheater2 | anyone have experience using gnu ddrescue? |
| 07:08.20 | anima- | cheater2, nope i usually just use DD |
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| 07:08.55 | bin_bash | ls /is/ the proper list command... right? |
| 07:09.01 | Bushmills | cheater2, i am sure that the author(s) and maintainer do. |
| 07:09.11 | cheater2 | heh |
| 07:09.27 | Bushmills | cheater2: therefore, your question can be confidentally answered with "yes" |
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| 07:09.35 | cheater2 | Bushmills, please don't troll |
| 07:09.58 | Bushmills | giving an accurate reply to a question is not trolling |
| 07:10.13 | cheater2 | added to ignore list |
| 07:10.27 | Bushmills | be my guest |
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| 07:14.10 | bin_bash | when i type ls i'm not getting any output |
| 07:15.11 | superlinux | Bushmills, check this out: slowcat : http://grox.net/software/mine/slowcat/ |
| 07:15.20 | superlinux | it does what I want |
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| 07:16.26 | bin_bash | hi |
| 07:16.27 | Bushmills | bin_bash: try a directory which contains files. or do ls -a |
| 07:16.29 | proq | anima-: http://paste.lisp.org/+2LWD |
| 07:16.30 | bin_bash | where does stuff install? |
| 07:16.55 | bin_bash | like, if i did apt-get install python |
| 07:16.57 | Bushmills | bin_bash: is "stuff" a debian package? |
| 07:17.00 | bin_bash | where woul that package be |
| 07:17.04 | bin_bash | yes |
| 07:17.06 | bin_bash | it's python |
| 07:17.08 | Bushmills | dpkg -L stuff |
| 07:17.09 | dpkg | ii stuff 2.8-14.1 bushmills's private stamp collection |
| 07:17.19 | bin_bash | LOL |
| 07:17.32 | bin_bash | by stuff i mean where do items install too |
| 07:17.38 | bin_bash | I installed python via apt-get |
| 07:17.43 | bin_bash | and would like to know where it is |
| 07:17.46 | Bushmills | yes. and i showed you how to find that out |
| 07:18.01 | bin_bash | hly shit |
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| 07:19.13 | proq | !anyone > cheater2 |
| 07:19.34 | cheater2 | i don't think that worked |
| 07:19.39 | proq | bin_bash: locate is also good at telling you things like that |
| 07:19.41 | proq | !anyone |
| 07:19.41 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 07:19.55 | anima- | proq, um oh thats why |
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| 07:20.23 | cheater2 | proq, oh right, i was going to explain what i'm doing but i got discouraged by trolls |
| 07:20.31 | DrLight20XX | hmm |
| 07:20.45 | cheater2 | proq, i am using gnu ddrescue to recover a partition, but i am not sure if it's ok to quit it yet |
| 07:21.05 | cheater2 | it says it's performing "splitting bad blocks" but it also says that the last successful read was 5 hours ago. |
| 07:21.11 | Bushmills | proq: locate isn't, really. database update doesn't take place immediately, and you're likely to search from a database which doesn't know about recently installed files yet. |
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| 07:21.20 | cheater2 | the amount of bad blocks reported hasn't changed in the last 12 hours. |
| 07:21.24 | anima- | proq, 1 sec |
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| 07:21.46 | proq | Bushmills: well, it works well for me :P |
| 07:22.21 | Bushmills | proq: also, you're inquring about file names you expect to see, not the name of the installed package |
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| 07:22.46 | proq | Bushmills: sure |
| 07:22.51 | anima- | proq, wpa_passphrase mywireless_ssid "secretpassphrase" |
| 07:22.53 | Bushmills | apt-file list would be an alternative to dpkg -L |
| 07:23.00 | anima- | then use the output as your WPA key |
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| 07:23.54 | bin_bash | if i'm downloading a zipped file is gz or bzip2 better? |
| 07:23.57 | anima- | psk=96cff6e6a0f61107cb1d799e23627205aa39f0fe21d9f80da5b6d567735502ac |
| 07:24.11 | proq | Bushmills: locate is what it is. there are lots of things it does better than other tools, lots of things it does worse |
| 07:24.16 | anima- | bin_bash, doesnt really matter |
| 07:24.48 | bin_bash | okay |
| 07:24.51 | bin_bash | now how do i unzip it |
| 07:25.03 | Bushmills | proq: it definitely has its uses. but looking where a package installs its files it not where it shines |
| 07:25.39 | proq | Bushmills: if I was looking for objc.el it works great |
| 07:25.40 | anima- | bin_bash, gz or bzip ? |
| 07:25.42 | bin_bash | gz |
| 07:25.45 | proq | Bushmills: just one example |
| 07:25.46 | cheater2 | bin_bash, dpkg can tell you what files a .deb installs |
| 07:25.51 | anima- | tar zxvf filename for gz |
| 07:25.59 | anima- | or tar xjvf for bzip |
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| 07:27.06 | bin_bash | wow that was fail.... |
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| 07:27.34 | bin_bash | hmmm |
| 07:27.50 | anima- | bin, do you have gunzip installed ? ( you should ) |
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| 07:28.45 | bin_bash | no i mean |
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| 07:28.57 | bin_bash | i tried to wget http://qwebirc.org/download-stable-gz |
| 07:29.01 | bin_bash | and it didn't download the file |
| 07:29.02 | bin_bash | :| |
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| 07:31.37 | anima- | bin_bash, yea they are using a forwarding script |
| 07:31.46 | bin_bash | so.. what do |
| 07:31.55 | anima- | 1 sec |
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| 07:32.03 | bin_bash | thanks |
| 07:33.00 | anima- | ok i just downloaded it, wget http://qwebirc.org/download-stable-gz && tar zxvf http://qwebirc.org/download-stable-gz |
| 07:33.01 | paquin | bin_bash: wget http://hg.qwebirc.org/qwebirc/get/stable.tar.gz |
| 07:33.20 | anima- | or like paquin says :) |
| 07:34.11 | bin_bash | awesome. thank you. |
| 07:34.17 | bin_bash | >my first time doin this |
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| 07:37.48 | bin_bash | how do I find a file |
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| 07:38.58 | bin_bash | i'm looking for config.py |
| 07:39.16 | SolomonKull | find / -name config.py |
| 07:39.31 | bin_bash | nm got it |
| 07:39.33 | bin_bash | thanks tho |
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| 07:44.13 | bin_bash | okay i'm having a problem with vi |
| 07:44.33 | bin_bash | when i hit "i" to input, the left/right arrow keys don't work and when i ht the up/down arrow keys it inserts letters |
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| 07:47.17 | Bushmills | bin_bash: sounds like selected terminal emulation not matching your actual console |
| 07:47.26 | bin_bash | i guess |
| 07:47.28 | bin_bash | vim works |
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| 07:48.42 | Bushmills | are you on a virtual console, or in an xterm? |
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| 07:50.05 | Furai` | Hello. |
| 07:50.12 | bin_bash | it says terminal emulator |
| 07:50.14 | bin_bash | which is weird |
| 07:50.17 | bin_bash | 0.o |
| 07:50.25 | bin_bash | vi works just fine when i'm not ssh'd |
| 07:50.34 | proq` | bin_bash: it is? |
| 07:50.54 | Bushmills | then i suppose your ssh client doesn't export the TERM variable |
| 07:51.09 | bin_bash | idk. how weird. |
| 07:51.31 | Bushmills | do: grep TERM /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 07:51.40 | Bushmills | does that show anything? |
| 07:51.49 | bin_bash | i'm in the middle of editing this config file |
| 07:51.50 | bin_bash | one sec |
| 07:52.19 | Bushmills | do that on the local machine. not in the ssh session |
| 07:52.27 | bin_bash | ok |
| 07:52.40 | bin_bash | no output |
| 07:52.50 | Bushmills | what distribution is that? |
| 07:52.57 | bin_bash | xubuntu 11.04 |
| 07:53.02 | Bushmills | !blame ubuntu |
| 07:53.02 | dpkg | blames uva_ and ubuntu for all the evil in the world |
| 07:53.17 | Bushmills | not a debian problem. |
| 07:53.20 | bin_bash | I would IF I COULD RUN DEBIAN ON THIS MACHINE WITHOUT BUILDING MY OWN KERNEL AND DRIVERS |
| 07:53.25 | bin_bash | Bushmills: the server is debian |
| 07:53.30 | bin_bash | so... yeah. it is a debian problem |
| 07:53.37 | Bushmills | but the client isn't, and there is the problem |
| 07:53.37 | aypea[3] | bin: what machine and what's the issue? |
| 07:53.38 | bin_bash | vi works just fine on the local machine |
| 07:53.58 | bin_bash | Bushmills: that doesn't even make sense |
| 07:54.02 | bin_bash | why would vim work and not vi |
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| 07:54.09 | bin_bash | or why would anything work for that matter |
| 07:54.15 | Bushmills | because ubuntu fails to do some important configuration |
| 07:54.15 | ompaul | #ubuntu is 14 channels down on the right, easy to find with /join |
| 07:54.39 | Bushmills | why they fail to, i can't tell. neglect, probably |
| 07:54.52 | bin_bash | ompaul: thanks for the sarcasm but I'm looking for help with my DEBIAN server, so I'm pretty fucking sure this is the right place. |
| 07:54.58 | proq` | bin_bash: why not just use vim then? |
| 07:55.05 | Bushmills | bin_bash: it is *not* a debian server problem |
| 07:55.06 | bin_bash | proq`: I am now. |
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| 07:55.19 | Bushmills | it is a problem with your *client* |
| 07:55.22 | bin_bash | Bushmills: That's fine, but I'm having other issues as well that ARE to do witht he server |
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| 07:55.33 | Bushmills | well, that's not one of the issies. |
| 07:55.35 | Bushmills | issues |
| 07:55.40 | aypea[3] | bin: what machine and what's the issue? |
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| 07:56.06 | bin_bash | >.> |
| 07:56.16 | bin_bash | aypea[3]: I'm just trying to install qweb on myu server |
| 07:56.30 | aypea[3] | but...? |
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| 07:56.53 | bin_bash | but nothing. I'm ok for right now. |
| 07:57.01 | aypea[3] | ok. |
| 08:00.35 | Bartzy|work | Hi |
| 08:00.41 | Bartzy|work | I'm trying to start sshd via /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 08:00.54 | Bartzy|work | It says it was started, but ps -ef | grep ssh reveals that it wasn't. Any idea ? |
| 08:01.24 | cahoot | ssh localhost? |
| 08:01.52 | Bushmills | Bartzy|work: look into /var/log/auth.log |
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| 08:02.56 | ompaul | Bartzy|work: did you change the configs for it? |
| 08:03.12 | Bartzy|work | Bushmills: Thank you, found the culprit. |
| 08:03.23 | ompaul | Bartzy|work: and it was? |
| 08:03.28 | Bushmills | that was quick and easy |
| 08:04.01 | Bartzy|work | Restored from a backup, ListenAddress was wrong. |
| 08:04.07 | Bartzy|work | Thank you both. :) |
| 08:04.25 | Bartzy|work | didn't think SSH is logging everything to auth.log. |
| 08:04.35 | Bushmills | it does the "listening to ..." part |
| 08:04.48 | Bartzy|work | SSH logs to other places too ? |
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| 08:05.19 | Bushmills | daemon.log would be another to look at |
| 08:05.53 | Bushmills | but for failures to start, auth.log would be my first to look at with sshd |
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| 08:08.51 | antoineB | hello do you know if the wireless-tool packet is provided with the last netinstall iso image? |
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| 08:10.34 | Bartzy|work | Bushmills: Thanks a lot. |
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| 08:13.41 | antoineB | i get it |
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| 08:15.06 | Bartzy|work | how can I temroary disable all crons in the system ? |
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| 08:15.35 | Bushmills | stop the cron daemon |
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| 08:23.40 | IamTrying | when i execute $startx , which config file is used to load the X windows system? I want to startx with a predefined file |
| 08:24.35 | streuner | dpkg, startx |
| 08:24.35 | dpkg | startx is probably a script that starts the X Window System, configure X before starting it. If the rest of X seems present, try getting xbase-clients. See <starting gnome>, or the way god intended X to be started. Issue 'startx <command> <xclient-options> -- <server> <xserver-options>' to specify specific client to start. Session will exit when that client exits. See also <xwrapper.config>. |
| 08:24.40 | Bushmills | very simple script for init script actions is at http://scarydevilmonastery.net/startstop . simply put in /usr/local/sbin, then symlink actions to it, like ln -s startstop reload # (start, stop, restart, status ...) |
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| 08:29.03 | IamTrying | streuner, Bushmills thanks, that i can use to build a kiosk |
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| 08:41.30 | wieldy_BIOS | guys do you want free porn? |
| 08:41.40 | wieldy_BIOS | :) |
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| 08:42.17 | wieldy_BIOS | u can download it from my ftp server |
| 08:42.21 | wieldy_BIOS | if u want |
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| 08:42.43 | aypea[3] | hey guys. we've got a supply of pr0 i the innanets! at long last... |
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| 08:47.00 | IamTrying | xterm -geometry +0+0 &; when i exit on that terminal, and i have a grey window only, how can i exit X windows system? to have the shell back. |
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| 08:50.22 | gentx | Where else in linux keeps track of inodes in filesystems other than the filesystem itself?? My problem is: I ran out of inodes on my /var partition. So I rsynced /var out to backup, remade a new filesystem with more inodes, and re-rsynced everything back. Now df -ih shows that I have plenty of inodes but when creating files on /var I still get no space left on device. |
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| 08:52.32 | Bushmills | IamTrying: start X with that xterm as session. i.e., start window manager with &, and xterm at the end without & |
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| 08:54.41 | IamTrying | Bushmills, great thanks |
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| 09:04.59 | IamTrying | Bushmills, how do you exit in such case to terminal like my right screen: http://i.imgur.com/ERlRv.png |
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| 09:07.36 | cusco_ | fedora |
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| 09:22.04 | ompaul | IamTrying: you /join #fedora and ask there |
| 09:22.24 | IamTrying | ompaul, thanks |
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| 09:25.32 | ompaul | IamTrying: btw you would have much more success if you built from the ground up in debian or fedora rather than mixing them up like that - you will have all sorts of headaches - have fun with the logwatchfiles ;-) |
| 09:26.25 | ompaul | IamTrying: the reason for the headaches - there are times when they do things differently, so what works for debian may not work on fedora and the opposite applies |
| 09:26.32 | IamTrying | ompaul, thanks, i just need to build quickly a kiosk to put in a Bank and Airport service for touch screen. |
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| 09:28.14 | Nu^253r | hi, how do i change my desktop? |
| 09:28.28 | Nu^253r | i want to change it from xfce to lxde |
| 09:28.45 | IamTrying | ompaul, I love all os, including debian/fedora/freebsd/opensolaris/yellow dog/back trac/tinycorelinux/microcorelinux all, point is i know what i am trying for :) |
| 09:28.52 | Parsifal | Nu^253r: aptitude install lxde, then log out and your display manager should give you the option to use LXDE |
| 09:29.20 | Nu^253r | i dnt think i have a display manager |
| 09:29.31 | Nu^253r | i run startx from shell |
| 09:29.36 | Parsifal | Ah, okay |
| 09:29.51 | Parsifal | I'm not sure how startx decides what its default DE is |
| 09:30.25 | jham | it looks in .xinitrc and /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc |
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| 09:31.10 | jham | which is just a shell script to which you can give parameters |
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| 09:31.48 | Parsifal | You can also start Xfce explicitly by running startxfce4 instead of startx, I'm not sure if LXDE has an equivalent |
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| 09:31.52 | IamTrying | jham, yes i follow this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvbAawBGmgE |
| 09:32.04 | Nu^253r | i fixed it :D |
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| 09:32.14 | Nu^253r | i typed startx lxde and it worked |
| 09:32.16 | Bushmills | IamTrying: kill the window manager |
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| 09:33.01 | IamTrying | Bushmills, thanks |
| 09:33.27 | ompaul | IamTrying: if I wanted to build a kiosk I would start with a standard install, then I would add a very simple window manager, this would give you a place to command the box from with ease, and a place to build a locked down desktop. |
| 09:33.30 | mstevens | is backports.org down? is it still something I should be using anyway? |
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| 09:33.57 | Bushmills | would you want a window manager at all, or just a web browser in full screen mode, no decorations? |
| 09:34.00 | IamTrying | ompaul, yes this guide really helped me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvbAawBGmgE |
| 09:34.01 | ompaul | mstevens: /msg dpkg backports you will be informed ;-) |
| 09:34.03 | simonlnu | mstevens: backports.debian.org |
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| 09:34.27 | pere_ | Hi. I am kinda stuck on a Debian Etch machine I cant upgrade, and fairly new to Python. I do however need to run a service requiering >Python 2.6, but have only find 2.5.2. What is the cleanest way to upgrade Python? |
| 09:34.39 | Bushmills | !etch |
| 09:34.39 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 09:34.43 | isbric | i need some help configuring a kernel, i need some pointers on how to enable the things needed to get this module (http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/ZD1211RW.html) built. |
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| 09:35.00 | IamTrying | Bushmills, i need java to use, not the gnome-chrome --kiosk www.mysite.com |
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| 09:35.24 | Bushmills | IamTrying: "web browser" ... no mention of gnome-anything |
| 09:35.52 | IamTrying | I prefer the X window system its "feels like doing something serious" |
| 09:35.58 | isbric | in the menuconfig |
| 09:35.59 | mstevens | tries backports.debian.org. At least it responds, which is a step forward. |
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| 09:36.23 | Bushmills | web browser running under X |
| 09:36.45 | IamTrying | Bushmills, i need media access full duplex and Gstreamer |
| 09:36.57 | Bushmills | IamTrying: from web browser |
| 09:37.14 | IamTrying | OpenMAX or OpenCore or SIP or Switch for JTAPI or CTI |
| 09:37.27 | IamTrying | I need low level access |
| 09:37.50 | pere_ | Bushmill: Yeah, I know. Problem with running a experimental service on a production server that works perfectly with Etch. I know I should have upgraded the Debian-version, but cant do that today. Was hoping to be able to upgrade Python without upgrading Debian. |
| 09:37.54 | Bushmills | asked differently, what else, apart from web browser, would you need for "kiosk". surely not "low level access" |
| 09:37.58 | Nu^253r | lxde wasnt that nice, :s |
| 09:38.33 | ompaul | IamTrying: you may need it but does your user? |
| 09:38.48 | suifengpiao | what are you talking anout ? |
| 09:39.03 | Parsifal | pere_: You may be able to find old etch-backports packages on http://archive.debian.org/, but as others have said it is unsupported, so there's no guarantee it'll work |
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| 09:39.15 | ompaul | suifengpiao: Debian and things like that |
| 09:39.38 | suifengpiao | thanks |
| 09:39.40 | IamTrying | Bushmills, i would like to boot with a LOGO of XYZ less then or similar 7 seconds |
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| 09:40.13 | IamTrying | Bushmills, like Chromium-OS and then allow video conferencing features |
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| 09:40.29 | IamTrying | Bushmills, which communicate with crestron/extron |
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| 09:40.55 | IamTrying | Can i do all those from a Browser? will it allow low latency and full duplex? |
| 09:41.04 | pere_ | thanks |
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| 09:42.39 | Bushmills | IamTrying: in principle, you can, if you consider a browser a graphical driver for tasks, started from it. but that may require some work, getting your tasks to actually generate html (or other web browser compatible display file format) |
| 09:43.21 | Bushmills | think of "web browser" as "video driver", in this context |
| 09:44.01 | jham | IamTrying: booting like that? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2zYpS_UrZI&feature=player_embedded#at=37 |
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| 09:45.14 | isbric | is it posible to manually edit the .config file to add modules when kompiling a kernel? |
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| 09:45.34 | Bushmills | isbric: possible, yes. but can can just as well run make menuconfig |
| 09:45.58 | Bushmills | some modules introduce dependencies which menuconfig is able to catch |
| 09:46.04 | IamTrying | Bushmills, jham there are lot of touch screen video features, i am doing similar ex: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lifesize.com%2F~%2Fmedia%2FMedia_Kit%2FProduct_Datasheets%2FConference%2FConference_200%2FLifeSize_Conference_200_Apr09.ashx&rct=j&q=lifesize%20codec&ei=siu9TaqzFIWUOryVqP0F&usg=AFQjCNEMGU9FVUbSNF1olKEgiF1r6UJ4mQ&cad=rja |
| 09:46.07 | IamTrying | oops |
| 09:46.46 | isbric | Bushmills: ok, so how would i know where to find stuff like support for the zd1211rw driver? i feel its realy hard to find anything in there. |
| 09:46.47 | IamTrying | sorry, the link was a pdf but too large, sorry for that. |
| 09:47.10 | Parsifal | isbric: You can search in menuconfig by typing a slash (/) and then entering what you want to search for |
| 09:47.33 | Parsifal | isbric: Alternatively, you might want to try xconfig |
| 09:48.37 | IamTrying | Also like this: http://xbmc.org/skins/ |
| 09:48.40 | isbric | Parsifal: cool, but if the driver depends on stuff do i need to find them aswell? like this one: http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/ZD1211RW.html |
| 09:49.06 | ompaul | IamTrying: you are trying to google for the zd1211rw and debian I did this was the first link http://wiki.debian.org/zd1211rw |
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| 09:50.36 | Bushmills | ompaul: probably isbric did or didn't |
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| 09:50.53 | Parsifal | isbric: When you search, you can see the dependencies of the search results |
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| 09:51.21 | Parsifal | isbric: You probably will need to search for those dependencies as well, yes |
| 09:51.25 | Parsifal | If they aren't already enabled |
| 09:51.30 | ompaul | Bushmills: ahh I also got that hit on duckduckgo.com ;-) and noted |
| 09:51.30 | isbric | Parsifal: yeah i figured, realy usefull to be able to search :P |
| 09:51.47 | isbric | Parsifal: thx |
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| 09:58.27 | Guest96009 | hai |
| 09:58.40 | Guest96009 | anyone tried gnome3 in debian squeeze |
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| 10:13.53 | IamTrying | jham, where did you get that? http://youtu.be/o2zYpS_UrZI ? |
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| 10:33.06 | StefandeVries | Conky doesn't seem to be in the repositories. I'm using OpenBox and don't have a graphical package manager installed. Does anyone know the name of the conky package? |
| 10:33.30 | simonlnu | !search |
| 10:33.30 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <debtags>. |
| 10:33.40 | ectospasm | StefandeVries: aptitude search conky |
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| 10:36.04 | cheater2 | hey guys.. if i'm on a live dvd, will i be able to burn a cd using the same drive? |
| 10:36.22 | StefandeVries | ectospasm: thanks, but it returns no results whatsoever |
| 10:36.37 | cheater2 | as in, can i take out the linux dvd? |
| 10:36.52 | simonlnu | funny, i get 4 with apt-cache search |
| 10:37.45 | StefandeVries | simonlnu: that also yields no results |
| 10:37.54 | StefandeVries | Well, not with me anyways :) |
| 10:38.15 | ectospasm | StefandeVries: I get 4 too, have you run aptitude update recently? |
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| 10:38.48 | StefandeVries | ectospasm: I did, actually, thinking a renewed package lists could solve the problem |
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| 10:40.24 | ectospasm | StefandeVries: do you have contrib added to your apt repos? |
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| 10:42.30 | StefandeVries | ectospasm: how do you mean? |
| 10:42.48 | ectospasm | !tell StefandeVries about contrib |
| 10:43.37 | StefandeVries | That sounds logical |
| 10:43.46 | StefandeVries | Thanks for now, ectospasm |
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| 10:47.23 | ectospasm | woww, I'm impressed. Debian is the first community I've ever joined which seemed to be well thought out. I wasn't sure the !tell command I used would work, but it seemed logical. Kudos! |
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| 10:47.49 | dynamite | (: |
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| 10:48.54 | StefandeVries | ectospasm: And kudos to you; it worked. Now looking at a basic conky monitor. Thanks! |
| 10:49.12 | ectospasm | StefandeVries: np |
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| 10:49.42 | dynamite | StefandeVries: enjoy (: |
| 10:49.52 | StefandeVries | I will (: |
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| 10:51.40 | dylanoc | !tell |
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| 11:02.40 | IamTrying | When i use evilwm or exec twm; and startx, it try to open and **boom** gets automatically closed. |
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| 11:04.28 | cvrser | hi, is anyone here using notify-osd? |
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| 11:05.43 | mof | hi |
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| 11:06.10 | StefandeVries | cvrser: I am, what seems to be the trouble? |
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| 11:08.11 | ectospasm | !tell cvrser about ask |
| 11:08.13 | Bartzy|work | What's the best way to benchmark my CPU ? |
| 11:08.18 | Bartzy|work | compiling a kernel ? |
| 11:08.28 | ectospasm | Bartzy|work: I use mprime |
| 11:08.48 | Bartzy|work | Anyway to test the machine from every point of view? CPU/HDD/filesystem IO/memory ? |
| 11:08.59 | ectospasm | not that I know of |
| 11:08.59 | Bartzy|work | and get a total score or something like that ? I want to test 2 machines to see which is faster. |
| 11:09.43 | ectospasm | mprime will do CPU+RAM, not I/O |
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| 11:10.44 | Creak | hello! |
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| 11:10.55 | ectospasm | Bartzy|work: you could run mprime in one process, and run a bunch of I/O intensive stuff |
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| 11:11.02 | ectospasm | ...in another |
| 11:11.05 | Bartzy|work | OK, that's good enough!~ |
| 11:11.15 | Bartzy|work | thank you :_) |
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| 11:11.32 | cvrser | StefandeVries, I can't seem to get any notifications to run through it other than clementine. Pidgin, etc. just dont provide any notifications anymore |
| 11:11.32 | ectospasm | Bartzy|work: no problem |
| 11:11.55 | Creak | has anyone tried to run a debian testing on qemu? i've just done that but once i'm on GDM, i got no mouse and no keyboard. I don't know if it's a qemu problem or an install problem |
| 11:12.22 | StefandeVries | cvrser: is the package libnotify-bin installed? |
| 11:12.26 | cvrser | StefandeVries, and there doesnt seem to be any config files for it / documentation with the package on howto set it up |
| 11:12.37 | babilen | Bartzy|work: bonnie++ |
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| 11:12.49 | StefandeVries | cvrser; and pidgin-libnotify? |
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| 11:13.48 | cvrser | StefandeVries, I have libnotify-bin 0.5.0-2, but not pidgin-libnotify sounds like it could be a winner! thanks |
| 11:14.21 | StefandeVries | cvrser: no problem :) |
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| 11:18.09 | Creak | apparently it's more a problem from the debian installator... i've tried with the fedora live and the mouse and keyboard work just fine |
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| 11:19.12 | ompaul | Creak: I don't have a problem using kvm / qemu for stable testing sid and others |
| 11:20.14 | cvrser | StefandeVries, thank you! working as intended now |
| 11:20.25 | gentx | I'm getting the windows 98 look on iceweasel. Am I missing some window drawing package? |
| 11:20.25 | Creak | ompaul: that's quite strange.. i did a perfectly simple install |
| 11:20.46 | ompaul | too simples? |
| 11:20.51 | StefandeVries | cvrser: good to hear, you're welcome (: |
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| 11:21.24 | Creak | ompaul: well... i just asked to install a desktop environment, that's all. no special partition or what |
| 11:21.43 | ompaul | Creak: that should just work once you have the window in focus |
| 11:21.57 | Bartzy|work | ectospasm: What exactly do you check when you use mprime ? |
| 11:22.07 | Bartzy|work | how can I check some kind of score or time ? |
| 11:22.12 | babilen | Creak: Don't use testing but stable. And I am sure that your keyboard works on the console, but that is just an educated guess. Could you try it? |
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| 11:23.12 | Creak | babilen: actually i can choose the item i want in the grub menu at startup, so the keyboard works. |
| 11:24.08 | babilen | Creak: Known problem, so don't use wheezy or fix it (it is the ongoing /run transition) |
| 11:24.58 | Creak | babilen: k thx, so you advice me to install a stable and upgrade to a testing? |
| 11:25.28 | babilen | Creak: No, I advise you to install and use stable (i.e. squeeze) :) |
| 11:26.29 | Creak | babilen: :-\ |
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| 11:27.13 | Creak | babilen: is it more an configuration problem or a binary problem? |
| 11:27.41 | babilen | !tell Creak -about udev 167-1 |
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| 11:27.58 | nevyn | heh udev. |
| 11:28.23 | babilen | Creak: That factoid is a *bit* dated, so you might want to consider installing packages from sid -- But read the bug report and discussion referenced in there and the recent ones on debian-devel. |
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| 11:28.51 | Gijs | Hello people i need help, |
| 11:29.02 | Gijs | i executed command: " wget -O /usr/local/mysql/lib/libmysqlclient.so.16 http://files.directadmin.com/services/debian_5.0_64/libmysqlclient.so.16" |
| 11:29.11 | Gijs | But now my mysql is not working anymore |
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| 11:29.32 | Gijs | so i guess i need to redownload the 32bit libmysqlclient.so from somewhere, but my question, where? |
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| 11:29.47 | babilen | Gijs: considered using the Debian packages? |
| 11:30.07 | Creak | babilen: why your command !tell didn't tell me anything? |
| 11:30.46 | Gijs | Well i am looking now at debian packages but i can't find any link to just download this file |
| 11:30.47 | babilen | !tell Creak -about udev 620995 |
| 11:30.59 | Gijs | E: Couldn't find package libmysqlclient16 |
| 11:31.08 | Creak | babilen: worked this time :) |
| 11:31.12 | Gijs | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libmysqlclient.so.16&mode=exactfilename&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 11:31.23 | Creak | babilen: thanks a lot for your time! |
| 11:31.35 | babilen | Creak: You are welcome. :) |
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| 11:32.08 | Bushmills | ,versions libmysqlclient16 |
| 11:32.10 | judd | Package libmysqlclient16 on i386 -- lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; wheezy: 5.1.49-3; sid: 5.1.56-1 |
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| 11:32.32 | Gijs | ? |
| 11:32.37 | Bushmills | Gijs: are you using lenny? |
| 11:32.48 | Gijs | Debian lenny 5.0 |
| 11:32.59 | Bushmills | !d.b.o |
| 11:33.10 | Bushmills | !b.d.o |
| 11:33.18 | Bushmills | grr ... |
| 11:33.21 | Bushmills | !backports |
| 11:33.21 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 11:33.24 | cusco_ | !bdo |
| 11:33.24 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <backports-sloppy> <volatile>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 11:33.26 | cusco_ | oops |
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| 11:34.04 | Gijs | Please, i need this mysql problem to be fixed as soon as possible |
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| 11:34.28 | Bushmills | that's why you were given this great information |
| 11:34.31 | cusco_ | Gijs: read about using backports repo |
| 11:34.36 | cusco_ | and upgrade mysql |
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| 11:34.56 | cusco_ | hey Kylix |
| 11:35.01 | cusco_ | chan_datacard worked :D |
| 11:35.02 | Kylix | hi cusco |
| 11:35.09 | babilen | Gijs: /usr/local looks like you compiled it yourself (why?) shouldn't you have the source files laying around somewhere? |
| 11:35.10 | Kylix | on openwrt? |
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| 11:35.20 | cusco_ | no, plain debian 64 |
| 11:35.22 | Kylix | or on debian? |
| 11:35.36 | Kylix | on the dockstar and debian works here too |
| 11:35.42 | Gijs | isn't there some kind of download link since i just downloaded and replaceds a 32bit file with a 64 bit :S? |
| 11:35.45 | Kylix | I have now a different problem |
| 11:35.53 | Bushmills | oh no. |
| 11:36.08 | Kylix | corupt file system with power failures |
| 11:36.17 | Kylix | Debian squeeze |
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| 11:36.37 | babilen | Gijs: Download the package and unpack it (use ar or "dpkg -x") |
| 11:36.40 | Bushmills | an ups is a got precaution against power failures |
| 11:36.45 | Kylix | I've solved taking off the USB pendrive and connecting it on a ubuntu machine. Then fsck |
| 11:36.47 | Bushmills | good |
| 11:36.53 | babilen | Gijs: Or install the *Debian package* |
| 11:37.25 | Gijs | Well wich package?! |
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| 11:38.02 | babilen | libmysqlclient16 |
| 11:38.14 | Gijs | and how to just download it and not "apt-get install" it? |
| 11:38.16 | Bushmills | babilen: he need backports. package is not available in oldstable |
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| 11:38.40 | Bushmills | gijs, depends |
| 11:38.47 | babilen | Gijs: But what I am suggesting is to use the MySQL packages provided by Debian, not to install this single package in isolation. If you need a single file from that package, then download and extract it. |
| 11:38.47 | Bushmills | depends on dependencies :) |
| 11:38.57 | Kylix | an UPS only for a dockstar .....sounds hilarious |
| 11:39.10 | Gijs | Oke i see |
| 11:39.22 | Gijs | Well can you guys explain me how to do this? |
| 11:39.27 | babilen | Do what? |
| 11:39.44 | Bushmills | how to read the backports factoid? |
| 11:40.26 | Bushmills | left to right, line by line. |
| 11:40.34 | Gijs | backports? i have never heard about that, let me guess that takes me years to read that |
| 11:40.56 | ectospasm | heheheheh |
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| 11:41.00 | ectospasm | Bushmills: ^ |
| 11:41.07 | Bushmills | good try, assuming to need years because never having heard of something |
| 11:41.16 | ectospasm | !tell Gijs about backports |
| 11:41.35 | ectospasm | I only just used them for the first time this evening |
| 11:41.40 | Bushmills | very .. positive .. approach :) |
| 11:41.48 | Bartzy|work | heh. Just compiled 2.6.38 in 2 minutes |
| 11:42.15 | ectospasm | Bartzy|work: wanna cookie? |
| 11:43.14 | Bartzy|work | Yes please :) |
| 11:43.45 | Gijs | What if i copy an libmysqlclient from another 32bit server to the one with the 64bit file? |
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| 11:44.35 | ectospasm | Gijs: not guaranteed to work |
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| 11:45.06 | Gijs | Well my other server got: libmysqlclient.so.15 and not 16? |
| 11:45.14 | Gijs | does that really matter? or i can just rename it? |
| 11:45.16 | ectospasm | Gijs: why not download the MySQL source, build it but NOT install it. Then root around for the library you seek |
| 11:45.22 | ectospasm | Gijs: it can matter lots |
| 11:45.32 | ectospasm | could be an entire API change between those versions |
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| 11:45.56 | Gijs | Oke where do i download the mysql source? |
| 11:46.08 | ectospasm | Gijs: mysql.org maybe (-; |
| 11:46.46 | ectospasm | granted, going outside the apt tree may have unintended consequences |
| 11:46.50 | Gijs | Those are newer versions |
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| 11:47.15 | Gijs | Doesn't anybody here got a download link to a libmysqlclient.so.16, because i'm 99% sure that will work |
| 11:47.18 | ectospasm | if they don't have an archive ¯\o0/¯ |
| 11:47.44 | ectospasm | that library may have hidden dependencies |
| 11:47.51 | ectospasm | just copying it is not likely to work. |
| 11:48.02 | cheater2 | Gijs, you can probably just ln -s |
| 11:48.12 | ectospasm | cheater (-; |
| 11:48.30 | Gijs | what? |
| 11:48.39 | cheater2 | someone set up us the bomb |
| 11:48.41 | Bushmills | what an effort, just to work around the real fix by installing the debian package |
| 11:48.56 | Gijs | ln: creating symbolic link `./libmysqlclient.so.16': File exists |
| 11:48.58 | Gijs | and now? |
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| 11:50.06 | thegoodcushion | Is ARM a supported debian architecture? |
| 11:50.28 | Bushmills | little endian only, afaik |
| 11:50.39 | cheater2 | thegoodcushion, there's some build |
| 11:50.57 | thegoodcushion | Well Ubuntu appears to be making an ARM version and I wonder if it's debian-derived or something new |
| 11:51.08 | thegoodcushion | I mean, is there a binary repo? |
| 11:51.09 | babilen | thegoodcushion: probably armel |
| 11:51.15 | babilen | !tell thegoodcushion about armel |
| 11:51.38 | thegoodcushion | yeah I don't think Ubuntu would create a new architecture |
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| 11:55.24 | nsadmin | you could ask on #ubuntu what they do... also I suppose you're not very curious about that anyway |
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| 11:57.05 | stew | thegoodcushion: debian recently dropped the arm architecture (lenny had it, squeeze doens't). squeeze and beyond have armel |
| 11:58.35 | thegoodcushion | well armel is just arm little endian, isn't it? |
| 11:58.40 | stew | yes |
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| 12:00.06 | nsadmin | those are two different archs? |
| 12:00.10 | stew | yes |
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| 12:00.57 | nsadmin | armel is one, what's the name of the other? which are still in? |
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| 12:01.05 | stew | arm |
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| 12:01.24 | nsadmin | armEndianLitte? |
| 12:01.26 | stew | is the name of the other. we only have armel now |
| 12:01.30 | format_c | Since I've have a new PC I'm no longer able to open svgz images. Does anyone have a hint which application I need to open them? |
| 12:01.31 | stew | yes |
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| 12:02.16 | nsadmin | svg, isn't that inkscape? |
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| 12:02.50 | format_c | I actualy just want to view them not editing |
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| 12:02.59 | thegoodcushion | stew: I don't think it makes sense to say that debian has dropped arm and now has armel |
| 12:03.16 | abrotman | thegoodcushion: why? |
| 12:03.25 | nsadmin | thegoodcushion, it does if they are two -different- arches |
| 12:03.30 | thegoodcushion | they're not |
| 12:03.38 | thegoodcushion | arm little endian is running on an arm |
| 12:04.22 | nsadmin | thegoodcushion, compilers generate different code for each |
| 12:04.37 | thegoodcushion | okay |
| 12:04.47 | thegoodcushion | well I believe you but I don't know what it means |
| 12:05.07 | nsadmin | do you want to? |
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| 12:05.19 | thegoodcushion | yes |
| 12:05.24 | thegoodcushion | is arm big-endian ARM |
| 12:05.28 | thegoodcushion | or is it somehow different |
| 12:06.07 | nsadmin | big versus little endian has to do with how integers are stored |
| 12:06.12 | nsadmin | the order |
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| 12:08.21 | nsadmin | and the compiler of one arch knows how to store integers in one order (and fetch of course) while the compiler of the other knows to generate store/fetch code for a different byte order |
| 12:08.28 | thegoodcushion | yes I realize that |
| 12:08.31 | nsadmin | that's basically what it is |
| 12:08.33 | thegoodcushion | but is 'arm' just big-endian arm? |
| 12:08.43 | nsadmin | I guess so |
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| 12:08.56 | BlouBlou | anyone knows how to install identd on debian? |
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| 12:09.09 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ |
| 12:09.24 | nsadmin | probably by finding a package identd is in and installing that |
| 12:09.26 | abrotman | BlouBlou: did you search the packages for an identd ? |
| 12:10.25 | BlouBlou | I just need that package's name :P - I'm not under debian right now, I'm telling to a friend how to do it, but no idea what package is it |
| 12:10.38 | abrotman | packages.debian.org would let you/them search |
| 12:10.39 | nsadmin | correct |
| 12:10.56 | BlouBlou | great |
| 12:11.10 | nsadmin | BlouBlou, he can search too |
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| 12:12.56 | asmogator | hi all |
| 12:13.22 | asmogator | i recently installed WindowMaker from sid repo, now when i'm in WindowMaker and i'm launching xterm, the whole computer shutdown |
| 12:13.27 | asmogator | instant crash + power off |
| 12:13.36 | asmogator | what might be the problem ? |
| 12:13.47 | nsadmin | BlouBlou, if he's running debian and doesn't know that, the biggest favor you can do is to clue him in on both the website and how to install things |
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| 12:14.42 | BlouBlou | well, he is coming here |
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| 12:15.21 | nsadmin | , file identd |
| 12:15.25 | judd | identd in squeeze/i386: pidentd: usr/sbin/identd; midentd: etc/cron.weekly/midentd, usr/sbin/midentd; bidentd: usr/sbin/bidentd, usr/share/doc-base/bidentd; oidentd: etc/default/oidentd, etc/init.d/oidentd, etc/logcheck/ignore.d.server/oidentd, usr/sbin/oidentd; slidentd: usr/sbin/honest_identd, usr/sbin/slidentd, usr/share/lintian/overrides/slidentd; nullidentd: usr/sbin/nullidentd; |
| 12:15.27 | judd | logwatch: usr/share/logwatch/scripts/services/identd, usr/share/logwatch/scripts/services/oidentd |
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| 12:16.19 | nsadmin | so it looks like you have a multitude of choices |
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| 12:19.12 | erAbuelo | buenas |
| 12:19.37 | nsadmin | hello |
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| 12:24.35 | foetus | back again - to make a local mirror of lenny sources, i must set arch=source, right? sections main contrib non-free. |
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| 12:25.18 | sdsds | hello i'm debian squeeze with emphaty 2.30.3... is there the MSN audio/video chat protocol? i see it disabled.. i wonder if i missed to install something. |
| 12:25.32 | nsadmin | yuwantalenny? |
| 12:25.50 | foetus | or are there any binaries included then.. |
| 12:26.16 | nsadmin | you can still get bins |
| 12:26.28 | foetus | ? |
| 12:26.33 | nsadmin | the mirrors prob ably still hace lenny but that won 't last |
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| 12:27.20 | nsadmin | if not they're in archive.debian.org |
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| 12:29.13 | foetus | no, lenny is official and its oldstable. i just only need mirroring the source.. |
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| 12:29.59 | nsadmin | so you don't want the bins |
| 12:30.25 | foetus | no, probably. |
| 12:30.43 | thegoodcushion | What GUI is the default in the current stable debian? Is it GNOME 2? |
| 12:30.59 | nsadmin | the binary package filenames end with .deb |
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| 12:32.01 | foetus | copied around near 260GB of debian mirrors locally last few days.. |
| 12:32.40 | foetus | the source packages too. |
| 12:32.49 | abrotman | why aren't you using a proxy? |
| 12:32.49 | foetus | what in hell.. |
| 12:33.03 | nsadmin | no |
| 12:33.42 | nsadmin | the sources do not end in .deb, and in fact, they come in either two or three files apiece |
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| 12:34.44 | foetus | is near frustration.. |
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| 12:35.17 | nsadmin | each package will have a .tar.gz, a .dsc and maybe also a .diff.gz |
| 12:35.22 | abrotman | why aren't you using a proxy? |
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| 12:36.36 | foetus | abrotman: i use a proxy for sure, locally.. maybe i do misunderstand something.. |
| 12:37.08 | abrotman | an apt proxy .. instead of mirroring Debian |
| 12:37.30 | foetus | abrotman: ahh, ok. |
| 12:38.03 | nsadmin | abrotman, the other thing is he only wants sources |
| 12:38.17 | abrotman | and ? |
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| 12:38.55 | nsadmin | and at that point I don't know what he actually wants to accomplish |
| 12:39.30 | foetus | so, whats the problem? |
| 12:40.10 | nsadmin | there is a lot of detail in what you want to do |
| 12:41.00 | foetus | abrotman: your suggestion using an apt proxy is interesting. it comes in the near future, probably. |
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| 12:41.06 | abrotman | why wait? |
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| 12:41.44 | foetus | abrotman: ahh, i have no information for doing this. |
| 12:42.13 | nsadmin | how do you get your information? perhaps you need to add new ways |
| 12:42.14 | foetus | abrotman: but, generally, arch=source must be ok, right? |
| 12:43.24 | foetus | abrotman: i browsed through ftp.debian.org, Release says: arch = source. |
| 12:43.53 | foetus | abrotman: thats the reason for this question. |
| 12:43.59 | thegoodcushion | Is any version of debian using GNOME 3? |
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| 12:44.30 | nsadmin | , versions gnome-session |
| 12:44.32 | judd | Package gnome-session on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.3-2; sid: 2.30.2-3; squeeze: 2.30.2-3; wheezy: 2.30.2-3; experimental: 2.30.2-4; experimental: 2.91.93-1; experimental: 3.0.0-2 |
| 12:44.52 | foetus | !source |
| 12:44.52 | dpkg | As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> <source package> |
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| 12:45.58 | abrotman | foetus: maybe you should tell us what you're actually trying to do .. in english |
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| 12:46.38 | sdsds | which EMPHATY plugins should i install to see enabled the AUDIO/VIDEO buttons in a 1to1 chat? thanks |
| 12:46.58 | foetus | sorry, must reboot |
| 12:47.06 | candyban | hi guys ... is there a known problem with the snmpd in Squeeze? I do not seem to properly get the ifSpeed (OID .1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.5) for eth0 |
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| 12:49.21 | candyban | I have 2 systems (DomU) upgraded from lenny to Squeeze which both have this problem. Never had this issue before on Sarge,Etch,Lenny,Ubuntu,Redhat,... |
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| 12:57.37 | qwd | sdsds: What protocol are you using in Empathy? |
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| 12:58.41 | sdsds | qwd: MSN, i have seen on ubuntu 10.10 in empathy the audio/video button enabled. I'm trying to do the same in debian squeeze (emphaty 2.30.3) but i don't understand how to get thos audio /video options enabled |
| 12:59.20 | SparFux | Hi! When packages have to be removed, aptitude deletes them and it doesn't purge them. That's good, because no config would be removed, which might have been altered locally. But this means I end up with lots of "c" packages, which might even be obsolete. What can I do against this? |
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| 13:00.06 | abrotman | do oyu want ot purge them or not? |
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| 13:00.59 | qwd | sdsds: was that using msn too? it could just be that there's no support for audio/video in telepathy-butterfly and what you saw was someone using xmpp for example. |
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| 13:03.05 | sdsds | qwd: on ubuntu 10.10 i have seen on MSN the "optioN" to start a video chat with a MSN contact (i didn't check if it worked or not..) but at least the option was active, on emphaty 2.30.3, debian squeeze i can't even get those options enabled. (with cheese i can see my webcam working) |
| 13:03.22 | qwd | sdsds: http://live.gnome.org/Empathy/FAQ#For_which_protocols_does_Empathy_support_audio_and_video_chat.3F |
| 13:03.31 | SparFux | abrotman: Well, not every package. A good thing would be to have debian detect, wether the config was customized. Or wether there is any config at all, think of the libs. Libs don't have configs, so they could as well be purged and not appear in the packages list with a "c" anymore, if the libs were renamed, for example. |
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| 13:05.33 | qwd | sdsds: I'd use xmpp instead of microsofts crap if I were you. |
| 13:06.01 | sdsds | :) |
| 13:06.15 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:12.51 | SparFux | nsadmin: yes, and that's great. But I mean for package removal. The package is deleted and not purged, so that configuration is still kept. But for example for libs, there is no configuration. And the removed libs are in the package list still, as packages still configured "c". |
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| 13:14.11 | SparFux | nsadmin: Well, it's not so bad. But from time to time I feel the urge to remove such "c" packages if I don't remember some special config I did to them. So as to not flood the package list with loads of "c" package which might even not be available anymore in the debian distribution. |
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| 13:17.42 | SparFux | nsadmin: start aptitude, press / and then type ~c<enter> to see, what I mean. Press n to get next match. There are loads of libs which have been removed, but are still in the package list, even though they have been removed from the debian repos. |
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| 13:20.36 | SparFux | Ok, other topic. The udisks is state of the art hardware management. How can I use it in Debian to do automounting of usb drives? |
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| 13:22.54 | Kream | when I do update-rc.d rsync defaults I get update-rc.d: warning: rsync stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (none) |
| 13:23.32 | Kream | is running testing |
| 13:23.39 | Kream | anyone know why that's happening? |
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| 13:25.03 | SparFux | Kream: it's just a warning, you seem to have tweaked something, so that it's not the default which is used. |
| 13:26.04 | SparFux | Kream: for example, my default-stop is empty, so no runlevels listed there, you have (0 1 6). But it does not do any harm, I am positive. |
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| 13:26.53 | t1nm4n | hey has anyone of u guys checked elive |
| 13:26.58 | Kream | SparFux: thanks :) |
| 13:27.05 | Kream | and... i just found out about insserv |
| 13:27.30 | babilen | !tell t1nm4n about anyone |
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| 13:27.48 | SparFux | Kream: yes, just take a look into /etc/init.d/rsync and at the top you get the parameters in the comments :-) |
| 13:27.52 | t1nm4n | thats a weird question |
| 13:28.11 | babilen | t1nm4n: What is? |
| 13:28.46 | themill | Having rebooted with a usb microphone plugged in, alsa seems to have renumbered my cards and now all alsa-using programs fail to make any sound throwing lots of errors instead: http://paste.debian.net/115633/ Can I re-enumerate the cards in some way? How do I prevent such bogosity in the future? |
| 13:28.48 | t1nm4n | !tell t1nm4n about anyone---this question... i'm new on irc |
| 13:30.00 | t1nm4n | ok do u know how to have e17+compiz on debian squeeze |
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| 13:30.20 | cahoot | themill: give the hda-intel index 0 in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base |
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| 13:30.37 | babilen | t1nm4n: You should have received a private message from dpkg -- It essentially told you not to ask "has anyone" or "does anyone", but to ask your real question instead. |
| 13:30.38 | themill | cahoot: I was kind of hoping you'd be around :) |
| 13:30.43 | babilen | ,versions e17 |
| 13:30.44 | judd | Package e17 on i386 -- sid: 0.16.999.55225-1 |
| 13:30.54 | cahoot | alsa force-reload might fix it temporarily |
| 13:30.59 | babilen | t1nm4n: Did you receive the private message from dpkg? |
| 13:31.43 | t1nm4n | aah ok..i'll not do that..so i asked the question How i can install e17+compiz , and yes i recieved the message |
| 13:32.03 | themill | cahoot: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf does not currently contain any entry for hda-intel, is that to be expected? |
| 13:32.24 | babilen | t1nm4n: You could try to backport e17 and its dependencies from sid. I can't tell you how much work that is going to be though and if you'll succeed. |
| 13:32.28 | babilen | !tell t1nm4n -about ssb |
| 13:32.33 | babilen | !tell t1nm4n -about install compiz |
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| 13:33.07 | babilen | !tell t1nm4n about compiz |
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| 13:33.28 | nukem | i am looking for linux distro that ask for root password during installation |
| 13:33.32 | t1nm4n | hey i have install it both... but i can seem to make it work |
| 13:33.39 | babilen | nukem: Try Debian :) |
| 13:33.57 | cahoot | themill: seems to be the same here - but adding options snd-hda-intel index=0 and alsa force-reload *should* do it |
| 13:34.04 | matias | Hello! is it possible to reproduce a video in this computer but to listen the sound in other, through ssh, at the same time? |
| 13:34.06 | nukem | does debian ask for root password during installation or does debian use ubuntu's sudo nonsense |
| 13:34.08 | t1nm4n | @nukem this is a debian irc channel what do u expect:) |
| 13:34.23 | maligor | nukem, debian asks for it |
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| 13:34.42 | maligor | sudo isn't installed in the default last I've installed |
| 13:34.47 | nukem | maligor are you sure? because i refuse to use debian if it uses sudo nonsense by default |
| 13:35.04 | babilen | nukem: Both approaches are possible, but Debian asks you to provide a root password during the installation. If you don't provide one you'll end up with sudo. You are naturally free to set it during installation and install/configure sudo afterwards. |
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| 13:35.19 | t1nm4n | hey nukem, sudo is good, more over u can change it to specific users.. |
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| 13:35.28 | nukem | t1nm4n no i hate sudo |
| 13:35.37 | themill | cahoot: no such luck -- still card 2 after doing that. |
| 13:35.58 | t1nm4n | might i ask what went wrong?? nukem |
| 13:36.00 | matias | is it? |
| 13:36.05 | babilen | t1nm4n: So, how did you install e17? What is the actual problem you are having? Lets take this step by step and not concern ourselves with compiz for now. |
| 13:36.05 | maligor | nukem, you can remove sudo nonsense from any distribution anyway |
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| 13:36.21 | nukem | maligor but i don't want to install it in the first place |
| 13:36.31 | nukem | then remove it |
| 13:36.36 | babilen | I wouldn't consider sudo to be nonsense |
| 13:36.59 | t1nm4n | hey e17 works flawlessly...when i activate compiz the display becomes fuzzy and i endup in the login screen |
| 13:37.00 | nukem | babilen then why does debian not use it |
| 13:37.12 | babilen | nukem: If you provide the root password during the installation Debian will not be configured to use sudo. |
| 13:37.32 | nukem | babilen nice |
| 13:37.49 | nukem | but i heard debian is bloated; is that true? how many cds is it |
| 13:37.53 | babilen | nukem: I use it quite fine over here. You are free to configure your system in the way you want it. Forcing sudo in the standard installation would be the wrong approach as there are users that don't want or need it. |
| 13:38.04 | cahoot | themill: sorry |
| 13:38.06 | themill | nukem: debian has as much installed as you choose to install. |
| 13:38.11 | t1nm4n | hey the firat dvd has every thing u need nukem |
| 13:38.17 | babilen | !tell nukem -about netinstall |
| 13:38.20 | nukem | dvd? not cd? |
| 13:38.22 | babilen | !tell nukem -about firmware image |
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| 13:38.31 | babilen | !tell nukem -about install debian |
| 13:38.44 | t1nm4n | if u want there is a livecd image |
| 13:39.03 | nukem | i don't want livecd |
| 13:39.14 | Sw33NY_ | hi all :) |
| 13:39.16 | babilen | nukem: The CD/DVD sets contain *all* packages in Debian, you probably don't want them if you have a working (wired) internet connection during the installation or any connection afterwards. |
| 13:39.41 | nukem | i hate online installation |
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| 13:39.47 | nukem | i want offline installation |
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| 13:39.50 | t1nm4n | hey too Sw33NY |
| 13:40.03 | babilen | nukem: Just use the netinstall cd (optionally the one with firmware if required) to install it. You can then install the base system (just standard task) and add whatever you want later on. |
| 13:40.10 | t1nm4n | so check out distrowatch.com |
| 13:40.12 | Sw33NY_ | nukem: +1 |
| 13:40.16 | Bushmills | nukem: do you also happen to hate download an installation cd? |
| 13:40.21 | themill | cahoot: manually rmmodding each snd-* module followed by modprobe snd-hda-intel has it back as card 0 and all works now. Hopefully specifying the index will prevent that from happening again. Thanks for the suggestion. |
| 13:40.22 | Bushmills | cd image, that is |
| 13:40.25 | babilen | nukem: Then get one of the various CD1 / DVD1 that'll be enough to get you running. |
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| 13:40.34 | nukem | bushmills no, i would love that |
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| 13:41.19 | Bushmills | nukem: so, there you are. |
| 13:41.34 | t1nm4n | hey babilen.... ahem |
| 13:41.46 | babilen | t1nm4n: yes? |
| 13:42.16 | t1nm4n | i mentioned compiz blacks out e17 upon activation |
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| 13:43.53 | babilen | t1nm4n: I neither endorse nor support compiz. If you fail to get help here try #compiz ... |
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| 13:44.15 | t1nm4n | K, thanks man...:) |
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| 13:45.05 | babilen | t1nm4n: I would, however, start by looking at the logs and your X configuration. Testing it with a different window manager/desktop environment (gnome for example) would also be a good idea to pin-point the problem. |
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| 13:45.54 | t1nm4n | would that be the same for every linux distro, or will change per distribution |
| 13:45.59 | nukem | is there such thing as 1 cd linux-distro any more? |
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| 13:46.31 | babilen | t1nm4n: Can you be more specific please? Which distribution(s) are you using or talking about? |
| 13:46.33 | michlemken | is it a bad idea to upgrade from anjuta testing to anjuta experimental ? |
| 13:46.41 | t1nm4n | salix vectorlinux try these nukem |
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| 13:47.20 | zitter|mobile | is there a list of arm devices supported by debian? |
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| 13:48.37 | abrotman | in the installation manual perhaps |
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| 13:48.52 | babilen | zitter|mobile: #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net / irc.debian.org might know more about that. Also take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort and http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ -- Good luck! |
| 13:49.01 | nukem | i was told redhat is more expensive than windows; is that true? |
| 13:49.16 | babilen | zitter|mobile: And the installation manual discusses a few of the boxes that are supported. |
| 13:49.21 | t1nm4n | not necessarily nikem |
| 13:49.28 | Bushmills | windows is. teaching all those linux users to use windows is quite an investment. |
| 13:49.52 | babilen | nukem: this is #debian not #redhat or #linux -- But that assumption is probably wrong. |
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| 13:50.22 | nukem | sorry i pasted in the wrong room |
| 13:50.42 | Bushmills | also consider sabotage costs, from frustrated users damaging windows. |
| 13:50.46 | themill | nukem: you troll more than one channel at once, do you? |
| 13:50.50 | babilen | michlemken: Can't be sure about it. Try it if you want to. You could also consider to backport it to wheezy (which you are currently running, right?) |
| 13:50.59 | nukem | themill huh? |
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| 13:51.20 | babilen | t1nm4n: Can you be more specific please? Which distribution(s) are you using or talking about? |
| 13:51.38 | nukem | is trolling mean talking off-topic? |
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| 13:52.11 | t1nm4n | nah babilen i was giving nukem a suggestion |
| 13:52.59 | babilen | t1nm4n: No, you asked a question: " would that be the same for every linux distro, or will change per distribution" -- I am merely asking you to provide more specific information. |
| 13:53.08 | michlemken | nukem, no, trolling is the art of waiting for a question |
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| 13:53.28 | t1nm4n | u said about the logs in xorg... that is what i mean |
| 13:53.38 | abrotman | !u |
| 13:53.39 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 13:53.52 | nukem | michleken huh? |
| 13:54.08 | zitter|mobile | babilen, thanks |
| 13:54.12 | babilen | t1nm4n: Probably. So which distribution(s) are you talking about and which distribution are you currently using? |
| 13:54.28 | babilen | zitter|mobile: You are welcome :) |
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| 13:54.34 | t1nm4n | i'm using arch and debian |
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| 13:55.35 | babilen | t1nm4n: Yes, my general advice is definitely applicable to Debian and probably to Arch too. |
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| 13:56.18 | michlemken | babilen, wheezy is the current testing ? |
| 13:56.24 | babilen | michlemken: yes |
| 13:56.35 | michlemken | so i do |
| 13:57.00 | t1nm4n | thanks and kudos |
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| 13:59.41 | michlemken | mmm - giving anjuta 3 a final shot or use something different (i still like anjuta using autotools) - mmm ??? |
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| 14:01.34 | babilen | michlemken: vim! -- But seriously: Just try it. We can't tell you what you are most comfortable with. |
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| 14:05.02 | asmogator | i recently installed WindowMaker from sid repo, now when i'm in WindowMaker and i'm launching xterm, the whole computer shutdown, instant crash + power off, what might be the problem ? |
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| 14:07.09 | nukem | is there such thing as hybrid linux distro? hybrid as both 32bit and 64bit |
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| 14:08.39 | dvs | m |
| 14:09.03 | dvs | amd64 can handle both 32 and 64-bit |
| 14:09.14 | babilen | nukem: Sure, just install i386 userland and a amd64 kernel. :) -- But amd64 can handle both .. |
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| 14:09.24 | michlemken | babilen, i made vim my editor of choice in a terminal, only (reluctant to learn vim commands) |
| 14:09.33 | nukem | babilen huh? |
| 14:09.45 | babilen | nukem: hmm? |
| 14:10.17 | isbric | is there a switch to apt-get install to make it install deps automaticly like ubuntu does? |
| 14:10.35 | rudi_s | isbric: It does. |
| 14:10.47 | babilen | isbric: That is the default behaviour of both apt-get and aptitude |
| 14:11.14 | isbric | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.23 | isbric | i get that :/ |
| 14:11.40 | isbric | from apt-get install openssh-server |
| 14:11.47 | babilen | !bat |
| 14:11.48 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 14:12.11 | babilen | isbric: Also paste your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 14:13.36 | isbric | http://paste.debian.net/115634/ |
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| 14:14.29 | themill | isbric: pastebinning the output of "aptitude -f install" would be instructive too |
| 14:14.49 | nukem | is there such thing as hybrid linux distro? meaning both 64bit and 32bit |
| 14:15.34 | babilen | nukem: I already told you. |
| 14:15.40 | dvs | nukem: amd64 can handle both 32 and 64-bit |
| 14:16.18 | nukem | dvs for example in macos i can run in 64bit mode or 32bit mode |
| 14:16.25 | nukem | in one macos installation |
| 14:16.52 | themill | !different answer |
| 14:16.52 | dpkg | You only get one answer per question. You've had yours. If you want a different answer, ask a different question. Thank you for your cooperation, HAND. |
| 14:17.00 | babilen | nukem: So it is a 64bit system with a compatibility layer for 32bit applications, much the same as amd64 on Debian. |
| 14:17.19 | nukem | babilen no it's not |
| 14:17.43 | nukem | i can choose to run in 32bit mode or 64bit mode during os bootup |
| 14:18.03 | dvs | nukem: So, install both a 32-bit and 64-bit kernel. |
| 14:18.26 | nukem | dvs can i do that in one installation? |
| 14:18.27 | babilen | dvs: Won't change userspace applications (but I'm sure you know that) |
| 14:18.38 | dvs | yup |
| 14:18.41 | babilen | nukem: What are you actually trying to achieve? What is the point of this question? |
| 14:18.54 | nukem | i wanna know if linux can do hybrid |
| 14:19.00 | babilen | whatfor? |
| 14:19.11 | Ox1 | there's multilib, next! |
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| 14:21.59 | matias | how do I activate a connection to a device that is listed when I do ifconfig? |
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| 14:22.09 | matias | I guess just doing dhclient id ? |
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| 14:22.42 | isbric | themill: im waiting for the output, it takes for ever to build dependency tree |
| 14:23.02 | dvs | matias: ifup |
| 14:23.08 | themill | isbric: this is not a great sign. What did you do to get the box into this condition? |
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| 14:24.04 | matias | dvs, let me see if it's possible, thank you |
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| 14:24.24 | dvs | np |
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| 14:27.11 | michlemken | how to install anjuta (experimental) having a debiian (testing) |
| 14:27.19 | isbric | themill: its hard to explain, no working networkinterface |
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| 14:27.40 | matias | well, it seems that it's connected but I can't use the SSH daemon that is running in the other machine :| |
| 14:27.41 | isbric | themill: about 40 pakages installed with dpkg -i |
| 14:27.46 | themill | :( |
| 14:27.50 | matias | so I'm not sure if it's really connected |
| 14:28.12 | Parsifal | matias: Can you ping the other machine? |
| 14:28.19 | matias | yes, I can |
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| 14:28.23 | babilen | michlemken: You can either add experimental to your sources.list or backport the package from there -- /msg dpkg ssb -- but replace sid with experimental in that factoid. *be careful* *very very very careful* |
| 14:28.26 | isbric | themill: allso, its running at 100Mhz, cant expect it to be super fast. |
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| 14:29.50 | michlemken | babilen, 'add experimental to your sources.list' is no good - i guess |
| 14:30.21 | Parsifal | matias: Can you paste the output of ssh with the -v flag to paste.debian.net? It's hard to know what the problem might be otherwise |
| 14:30.56 | babilen | michlemken: It won't do no harm -- You just have to be *very* careful when you install packages from experimental. |
| 14:31.22 | matias | Parsifal, the summary is just "debug1: connect to address 192.168.1.3 port 22: Connection refused" |
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| 14:32.12 | michlemken | babilen, are you evil ??? |
| 14:32.26 | Parsifal | matias: Is there a firewall on either machine that might be blocking port 22? |
| 14:32.28 | babilen | michlemken: Huh? No I am definitely not evil |
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| 14:32.59 | matias | hmn, let me check |
| 14:33.04 | Parsifal | matias: Also, are you completely sure that sshd is running? |
| 14:33.27 | matias | yes, it's but I don't sure if the connection is working, even though I can ping it |
| 14:33.32 | matias | I will check my router configuration |
| 14:33.42 | matias | I'm not sure * |
| 14:34.45 | project2501a | hey guys, is there a prettifier for bash? |
| 14:34.48 | Sw33NY | how can i delete file directly ? |
| 14:34.48 | Sw33NY | on debian wheezy kde |
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| 14:35.06 | babilen | project2501a: What do you mean? |
| 14:35.17 | dvs | matias: If you can ping it then it's not a network issue. |
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| 14:35.53 | project2501a | babilen: i got some fugly bash code. i want a util to format it so it will be more readable |
| 14:35.55 | isbric | themill: do you think that it being this slow could have been the result of manually installing pakages? |
| 14:36.15 | themill | isbric: yes. aptitude is struggling to find a sensible solution. |
| 14:36.41 | themill | isbric: what packages did you install by hand? |
| 14:37.12 | isbric | themill: i could start out with a clean rootfs, now that i know exactly what packages is needed |
| 14:37.36 | themill | isbric: is there a particular reason you're running lenny not squeeze? |
| 14:37.37 | dreamer | does anyone know a live-cd that contains loop-aes-utils ? |
| 14:37.45 | project2501a | babilen: there are pretifiers for C. i am sure there are for other programs as well. |
| 14:37.52 | isbric | themill: i installed a few things needed to build kernels and modules, gcc, g++, make and all the deps |
| 14:38.01 | michlemken | ... i think i download the experimental package and install it with dpkg (and the dependencies) |
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| 14:38.25 | project2501a | i can has sausage |
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| 14:38.59 | matias | I have tried to connect it again and I configured my router to allow 22 connections and I'm redirecting this traffic to 192.168.1.3 but it says always the same :| |
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| 14:41.19 | matias | somehow while it's connected I can't enter to configure my router, I have to disconnect it in order to be able to enter to http://192.168.1.1 |
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| 14:43.20 | Janni | Hi. |
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| 14:45.55 | project2501a | hey guys, is there a prettifier for bash? |
| 14:46.35 | cheater2 | you mean a lint? |
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| 14:48.20 | michlemken | project2501a, bash is pretty enough |
| 14:48.27 | project2501a | ... |
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| 14:49.17 | project2501a | cheater: lint does syntactic checking. it does not take fugly-looking, unreadable code and print out good-looking, readable code. |
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| 14:49.25 | euzao | hey |
| 14:49.37 | Janni | I'm looking for a dual-DVI graphics card with good driver support (free!). I want to get away from the proprietary nvidia drivers. Good 3D-performance is not a priority (appreciated though). Anyone got suggestions? I haven't found the info on the web yet *still looking* |
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| 14:51.34 | foetus | solved his mirroring-sources-only problem |
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| 14:51.59 | Janni | Is there maybe a manufacturer who develops develops linux drivers himself and contributes them to the kernel? I'd support him... |
| 14:52.09 | michlemken | Janni, NVIDIA is not that bad |
| 14:52.20 | Janni | non-free |
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| 14:53.06 | michlemken | ATI ? |
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| 14:53.09 | foetus | maybe interesting - -a source, without --nosource option (debmirror). |
| 14:53.55 | michlemken | something else ? |
| 14:53.57 | kuhkatz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:55.23 | foetus | you have a full source mirror then, with all *.tar.gz *.dsc *.diff.gz sources and patches. |
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| 14:55.33 | phorce1_home | matias: what ip address is it assigned? If it somehow also has 192.168.1.1 it will confuse issues and stop you from getting to the router |
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| 14:55.47 | KaffeeJunky123 | Janni: the nouveau drivers are free and they're working pretty good |
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| 14:55.56 | matias_ | well maybe the ssh daemon is not working at all |
| 14:56.14 | daemonkeeper | kuhkatz: You could read the manual. See newaliases(1) as well |
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| 14:57.24 | phorce1_home | matias_: what ip address is it assigned? If it somehow also has 192.168.1.1 it will confuse issues and stop you from getting to the router |
| 14:57.27 | Janni | intel seems to be the one being most open source oriented in their driver development. |
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| 14:57.48 | foetus | needs a new portable drive :) |
| 14:58.01 | matias_ | phorce1_home, it's 192.168.1.10 |
| 14:58.24 | phorce1_home | had a customer give him a 320G USB drive they found on the road |
| 14:58.24 | project2501a | Janni: intel is pretty bad, for anything other than opening more xterms |
| 14:58.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | Janni: the free ati drivers are pretty good too |
| 14:58.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | Janni: and they even support 3d acceleration to a certain degree |
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| 14:58.58 | phorce1_home | matias_: Having it connected shouldn't stop you from reaching .1.1 then. That's odd |
| 14:59.08 | Janni | project: What are you talking about? Bad performance? |
| 14:59.14 | project2501a | yeah |
| 14:59.20 | matias_ | yes but it doesn't matter, I just wanted to use ssh there :P |
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| 15:00.19 | project2501a | and i am not talking anything demanding, like the ubuntards use nvidia for, like 3D-spinning-tossing-your-desktop |
| 15:00.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | Janni: also, when you're trying to support openness, don't support intel, they're one of the main reasons for windows's marketshare in desktops, atleast in my opinion ;) |
| 15:00.49 | phorce1_home | matias_: The "connection refused" message sounds ilke either sshd is not running or port 22 at the remote end is blocked |
| 15:00.50 | matias_ | ifconfig in the other computer says that usb0 has the IP 192.168.1.2 assigned, and that's the IP of this computer, I guess it makes sense (?) |
| 15:00.54 | Sw33NY_ | on Debian Wheezy KDE, can i view the animation of the desktop cube only on my principal screen, because i don't found the configuration... |
| 15:00.55 | project2501a | janni, try hercules |
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| 15:01.42 | Janni | *trying* |
| 15:01.43 | Sw33NY_ | With Compiz, it's possible but with Kwin i don't know if it's possible |
| 15:01.50 | project2501a | i think they got gpl drivers... just nobody is paying attention to what they do, because they do not have cutting features |
| 15:02.08 | project2501a | why the perkele anybody wnat to use compiz |
| 15:02.15 | project2501a | PERKELE! |
| 15:02.29 | Sw33NY_ | project2501a: i don't use compiz |
| 15:02.37 | phorce1_home | matias_: wait, let me scroll back and see if I can figure out what you have connected where |
| 15:02.57 | foetus | is taking a look out of the window..there is the road..but no drive ;) |
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| 15:03.34 | matias_ | All I did was to edit /etc/network/interfaces and add some lines, then ifup usb0 |
| 15:03.39 | project2501a | i just like to say perkele |
| 15:03.42 | Janni | Never heard of perkele before.... |
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| 15:04.03 | project2501a | Janni: are you from finland? |
| 15:04.10 | Janni | No. |
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| 15:04.15 | Janni | Are you? |
| 15:04.23 | project2501a | nah. i just know what perkele means |
| 15:04.26 | project2501a | in finn |
| 15:04.27 | Sose | but hey, I am! |
| 15:04.33 | project2501a | PERKELE |
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| 15:04.36 | project2501a | or perekles |
| 15:04.37 | phorce1_home | matias_: and usb0 is connected from where to where? some sort of usb cable between two machines? |
| 15:04.39 | Janni | How does one know what perkele means without being from Finland? |
| 15:04.40 | Sose | saatana |
| 15:04.46 | project2501a | lol |
| 15:04.57 | Janni | I mean, how do you come across that God? |
| 15:05.00 | project2501a | Janni: the google is your friend |
| 15:05.09 | kuhkatz | daemonkeeper, i cant find anything related to my error in the manpages |
| 15:05.12 | matias_ | phorce1_home, yep, it's a mobile running linux connected through a USB cable |
| 15:05.18 | Janni | No, google isn't, but Wikipedia is. |
| 15:05.36 | phorce1_home | foetus: I'll probably have to replace the drive at some point. Running error testing on it. |
| 15:05.38 | michlemken | i like compiz - having a click with a water effect is just nice ! |
| 15:05.46 | daemonkeeper | kuhkatz: Did you read newaliases(1) at all? This utility creates your missing file. |
| 15:05.59 | Janni | Still, doesn't answer my (highly important) question. Where and when did you come accross that word the first time? Who mentioned it? |
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| 15:06.34 | foetus | phorce1_home: best solution. |
| 15:06.54 | Caelum | my monitors are not going to sleep anymore, even though I have xset dpms on |
| 15:07.09 | Caelum | xset +dpms that is |
| 15:07.10 | kuhkatz | daemonkeeper, i did read it, it doesnt say anything what to do if newaliases cant create the file |
| 15:07.12 | project2501a | Janni: one of the sysadmins here is a finn |
| 15:07.27 | phorce1_home | matias_: pastebin the output of ifconfig -a from both (make sure you note which is the mobile and which is the full PC |
| 15:07.37 | daemonkeeper | You are not root |
| 15:07.53 | Janni | project: Accepted |
| 15:07.54 | Sose | inn |
| 15:07.55 | matias_ | ok, give me a minute |
| 15:08.06 | kuhkatz | daemonkeeper, i am |
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| 15:08.39 | kuhkatz | actually, it makes no difference if i use sudo, su, or ssh in as root directly |
| 15:09.23 | project2501a | michlemken: what is the hack value of compiz? |
| 15:10.08 | phorce1_home | matias_: I will brb ---- making coffee |
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| 15:11.10 | daemonkeeper | kuhkatz: id shows you root? |
| 15:11.26 | Janni | project: Did you actually recommend the use of graphics card by Hercules? I was tolking about dual-DVI output, not 80s technology... |
| 15:11.44 | kuhkatz | daemonkeeper, id says "uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)" |
| 15:11.54 | kuhkatz | whoami says root too |
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| 15:13.16 | daemonkeeper | Do you use Selinux? |
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| 15:13.43 | Sw33NY_ | anyone people know too configure Kwin for view the desktop cube on my principal screen with dualscreen ? |
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| 15:14.26 | kuhkatz | daemonkeeper, no |
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| 15:14.36 | matias_ | phorce1_home, ok, two, please :P |
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| 15:14.58 | daemonkeeper | What do /etc/aliases and /etc/aliasas.db have as permission? |
| 15:15.32 | kuhkatz | -rw-r--r-- 1 postfix postfix 288 2011-04-27 14:02 /etc/aliases -- aliases.db does not exist |
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| 15:16.04 | kuhkatz | if i touch aliases.db, postfix complains about cant remove 0 byte size file |
| 15:16.19 | jelly-home | kuhkatz: don't touch it. run newaliases command instead |
| 15:16.33 | daemonkeeper | That's what I said a while ago |
| 15:16.40 | kuhkatz | i did. which gave me the error i have |
| 15:17.07 | matias_ | phorce1_home, here it is http://pastebin.com/ZWvS1YXs, thank you in advance |
| 15:17.14 | jelly-home | also, the aliases file should probably be owned by root:root |
| 15:17.33 | daemonkeeper | Yep, that's not the problem though |
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| 15:18.43 | kuhkatz | oh. actually, it was |
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| 15:20.29 | daemonkeeper | Why should trigger a file not owned by root a permission denied problem /as root/? |
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| 15:21.40 | jelly-home | daemonkeeper: map file ownership is important to postfix |
| 15:22.34 | jelly-home | daemonkeeper: it does something like seteuiding to that user and then try to create the .db, which would fail since postfix:postfix can't write in /etc |
| 15:23.06 | daemonkeeper | ah, it maps the file permissions? That makes sense |
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| 15:26.17 | phorce1_home | matias_: looking |
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| 15:31.20 | allu2 | Hello i am trying to install debian lenny on my brothers computer but somehow seems the hardware isn't supported by linux, the motherboard is prescott800 and all the distros i have tried crash on install or on boot |
| 15:32.12 | project2501a | Janni: they got some new-ish stuff |
| 15:32.21 | project2501a | like 4-5 years old |
| 15:32.48 | daemonkeeper | allu2: First of all: Lenny has been superseded by Squeeze. Moreover: What's exactly the problem you have |
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| 15:33.44 | project2501a | Janni: or at least they used to |
| 15:34.26 | allu2 | daemonkeeper: EIP:[<c01151a8>] native_apic_write+0xe/0x11 SS:ESP 0068:f791de28 |
| 15:34.34 | phorce1_home | matias_: your mobile has the same IP as wlan0 on your computer. Give it a different IP such as .1.9 |
| 15:34.56 | allu2 | daemonkeeper: the last line before "end trace 502aa..." |
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| 15:35.31 | allu2 | daemonkeeper: comes before i manage to do anything but press enter in grub |
| 15:35.57 | allu2 | daemonkeeper: and this was with acpi=off parametre as it didn't go any further without it eather |
| 15:36.09 | daemonkeeper | That's not very helpful, as this is a stack trace. Seems to be related to APIC so try booting with noapic. |
| 15:36.18 | daemonkeeper | (Which is different to acpi=off) |
| 15:36.23 | allu2 | daemonkeeper: same kind of problem with ubuntu 10.10 install |
| 15:36.28 | allu2 | ok i'll try |
| 15:37.40 | matias_ | phorce1_home, how do I do that? I didn't specify that IP |
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| 15:38.01 | daemonkeeper | FWIW there is also nolapic |
| 15:38.16 | allu2 | daemonkeeper: stuck with last line cpu_idle+0x1e/0xd0 |
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| 15:39.20 | alokar | Hello debian folks, I'm a beginner user and would like to switch to debian. Would you recommend a 32 bit or a 64? I'm on a laptop with a t4300 dual core processor and 4 gb of ram. |
| 15:39.45 | phorce1_home | matias_: /etc/network/interfaces on the mobile. use static rather than dhcp. |
| 15:39.51 | daemonkeeper | Try nolapic as well, even both at the same time. If you have still no success your problem might be a kernel bug. |
| 15:40.03 | matias_ | ok! |
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| 15:40.43 | phorce1_home | matias_: 'man interfaces' for examples |
| 15:41.42 | allu2 | daemonkeeper: both options, stuck with error_code+0x72/0x78 |
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| 15:44.29 | babilen | alokar: I would just install amd64, but both will work. |
| 15:44.41 | allu2 | daemonkeeper: wait it moved suddenly without me doing anything and ended to init[1225] exited with preempt_count 1 |
| 15:44.52 | allu2 | but now seems to be stuck |
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| 15:45.41 | daemonkeeper | Your problem may be a kernel bug. |
| 15:46.24 | allu2 | uh so should i just simply give up on this |
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| 15:49.20 | MartyD | Hi guys! While installing Debian 6 on a HP Netbook it asks for a Firmware-file "b43/ucode15.fw b43-open/ucode15.fw" but Google wasn't my friend this time. The card is a Broadcom 4324A, any ideas how I can get it to work? |
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| 15:51.11 | alokar | babilen, Thanks! |
| 15:52.11 | babilen | alokar: You know about netinstall, the various other images and the installation guide? |
| 15:52.19 | allu2 | MartyD: its non free firmware? |
| 15:52.35 | MartyD | allu2: It seems so |
| 15:53.09 | alokar | babilen, Well I was just browsing debian.org, there is a lot of info to be read. I'm searching for a dvd now because I don't know how to do a netinstall, yet. |
| 15:53.22 | allu2 | MartyD: somewhere here? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/squeeze/current/ |
| 15:54.44 | babilen | alokar: Ok, lets take this step by step. If you have a working (wired) internet connection the netinstall image is probably the best choice as this will only download the packages you really need. If you download a CD/DVD you'll download a lot of stuff you will never install. |
| 15:54.49 | babilen | !tell alokar -about netinstall |
| 15:54.52 | MartyD | allu2: So I extract this file to a USB-stick and the Deb installer would find it (maybe)? |
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| 15:54.55 | babilen | !tell alokar -about firmware image |
| 15:54.58 | babilen | !tell alokar -about cd1 |
| 15:55.02 | babilen | !tell alokar -about various cd1 |
| 15:55.08 | babilen | !tell alokar -about installation guide |
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| 15:55.52 | babilen | alokar: It is probably a good idea to take a look at the installation guide. It is also a bit hard to recommend the best image without more information. Do you ahve a working connection to the internet? |
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| 15:57.15 | babilen | alokar: Sorry for spamming you with factoids, but that is all the information you need in a nutshell. |
| 15:57.15 | alokar | babilen, Thanks for being so helpful, yes I have a working connection to the internet. |
| 15:57.33 | babilen | alokar: How do you connect? |
| 15:57.44 | alokar | babilen, Lan... |
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| 15:58.09 | alokar | babilen, I was just reading the dpkg messages, no need to be sorry, they are very helpful. |
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| 15:59.06 | babilen | alokar: Ok, in that case I would just recommend the (semi-) unoffical firmware netinstall images for the installation. Do you have a specific preference for the desktop environment or window manager you want to use? |
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| 16:00.39 | heberth | buenas :) |
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| 16:00.51 | heberth | una pregunta.. como ago para autologuear un usuario? |
| 16:01.04 | RichiH | !it |
| 16:01.04 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:01.17 | matias | !es |
| 16:01.17 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 16:01.23 | matias | hehe |
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| 16:01.27 | alokar | babilen, I use Gnome. |
| 16:01.40 | matias | his question was how to do to autolog a user |
| 16:01.58 | alokar | babilen, But I would love to try LXDE. |
| 16:01.59 | heberth | ok dpkg |
| 16:02.01 | heberth | XD |
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| 16:02.23 | babilen | alokar: Ok, then you will be fine with the default installation options. Depending on your level of expertise you might prefer to just install the base system and install Xorg and Gnome afterwards, but that is not necessary at all. |
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| 16:03.00 | babilen | alokar: Ok, if you want to try LXDE (which is a good choice) you can install it *after* the installation or select it instead of Gnome during the installation. |
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| 16:03.06 | babilen | !tell alokar about install lxde |
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| 16:03.27 | alokar | babilen, I see... |
| 16:03.48 | matias | phorce1_home, we already have different IPs but I still can't use SSH, I have tried everything, maybe the daemon is somehow not working |
| 16:03.52 | matias | thank you phorce1_home |
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| 16:04.23 | babilen | alokar: I'll get me a coffee and brb -- Or do you have any urgent additional questions right away? |
| 16:04.39 | alokar | babilen, No, nothing urgent. |
| 16:04.53 | alokar | babilen, Take your time:) |
| 16:05.11 | babilen | alokar: wonderful! See you later and I hope you enjoy the installation. You might want to take a look at the installation manual in the meanwhile :) |
| 16:06.13 | alokar | babilen, That's what I'm looking at right now...after that, I'll install it. Got all night to have fun. Thanks a lot for your help. I appreciate it! |
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| 16:06.42 | MartyD | allu2: Too bad, not included in your link :( |
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| 16:06.57 | allu2 | :( |
| 16:07.26 | MartyD | The BCM4324 seems to be some kinda alien card |
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| 16:08.56 | StefandeVries | #flood |
| 16:09.06 | phorce1_home | matias: sorry, wandering around AFK now. --- try ssh on the machine you want to ssh TO. --- eg. #192.168.1.2# ssh matias@192.168.1.2 |
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| 16:09.44 | phorce1_home | matias: that'll let you know if the daemon is working |
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| 16:10.10 | matias | I don't think I can do that since the command line is very limited but I will try anyway, thank you again |
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| 16:11.12 | Sw33NY_ | how to mix the different programmes for alsa ? when i start VLC and Juk i can listen music for only one program ... |
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| 16:12.21 | phorce1_home | oh, you're trying to ssh INTO the mobile ... yuck |
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| 16:13.37 | ws2k3 | hello guys i added a nic to my machine but it wont show up at ifconfig why is that do i need something else tod o? |
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| 16:14.27 | abrotman | ws2k3: and that NIC is? |
| 16:14.52 | abrotman | does it show up in dmesg ? |
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| 16:15.51 | ws2k3 | its a realtek |
| 16:16.16 | ws2k3 | i dont know if it show up in dmesg how should i check |
| 16:16.33 | boudiccas | ws2k3, by looking at dmesg? |
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| 16:17.04 | ws2k3 | no it dont show up there. |
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| 16:18.49 | ws2k3 | any advice? |
| 16:19.05 | Stameni | hello, i used ubuntu for 4 years now and i would like to try debian, does everythong that works on ubuntu works in debian ? including my hardware ? |
| 16:19.37 | boudiccas | polishes my crystal ball and looks at Stameni's hardware |
| 16:19.40 | cahoot | themill: (sorry for the abrupt leave - had to accompany a child to hospital) - did alsa sort itself? |
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| 16:20.22 | Stameni | boudiccas, sorry on that kind of question, i understand, but is all hardware that is supported by ubuntu also supported by debian default install ? |
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| 16:20.42 | ws2k3 | lspci does show my nic. |
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| 16:21.51 | michlemken | Stameni, no - Debian is conservative |
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| 16:22.59 | Stameni | michlemken, tnx for answering |
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| 16:25.10 | michlemken | Stameni, anyway - Debian is what i prefer |
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| 16:25.52 | Stameni | i'm just wondering, what does "conservative" meen whan hardware is in question ? "supporting new hardware is not good ?" |
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| 16:27.56 | ws2k3 | any advice about how i can add my nic? |
| 16:28.07 | michlemken | Stameni, simple - the ubuntu release is like the debian testing |
| 16:28.23 | ws2k3 | i did check lspci does list my nic |
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| 16:29.59 | Stameni | o, i understand, its abaut "bag free". I have new hardware, phenomII x6, nvidia gt 430 |
| 16:30.06 | Sw33NY_ | i can't mount the additions for my virtual machine with virtual box ose |
| 16:30.08 | Sw33NY_ | http://paste.debian.net/115659/ |
| 16:30.12 | handheldcar | my master volume doesn't work. only pcm works, and it doesn't get loud enough |
| 16:30.16 | Sw33NY_ | i don't found why ?? |
| 16:30.18 | Stameni | would it work on debian ? |
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| 16:32.48 | ws2k3 | debian |
| 16:32.57 | Sw33NY_ | any people want help me ? |
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| 16:34.21 | macrobat | handheldcar: alsamixer as root? |
| 16:36.26 | handheldcar | macrobat: it has no effect |
| 16:36.43 | handheldcar | (changing the master volume) |
| 16:38.26 | Captain_Haddock | need some help with rsync: how do I set it to only copy new files/directories? i.e., the opposite of the --existing option. |
| 16:38.44 | Captain_Haddock | It should also sync files beginning with . |
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| 16:42.23 | linuxman410 | how long should debian stay at the select and install software screen my has been there for 5 minutes |
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| 16:43.57 | linuxman410 | any help please |
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| 16:46.07 | abrotman | linuxman410: depends, but there is a debug screen |
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| 16:46.50 | jrd0 | http://i.imgur.com/LXZxE.jpg does anyone know whats causing all the padding on the right side of the top gnome panel? |
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| 16:51.45 | abrotman | jrd0: might be the system notification area .. just right click there and either remove or move |
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| 16:53.27 | ershad | Could you tell me the debian (6) equivalent of 'notify-send' for gnome ? |
| 16:53.40 | ershad | I could find such a package in debian repo |
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| 16:54.37 | abrotman | ershad: what's wrong with the libnotify-bin package? |
| 16:54.55 | chellomere | hello |
| 16:55.28 | ershad | abrotman, That's it, Thanks :) |
| 16:56.00 | macrobat | chellomere: success, you are in #debian! |
| 16:56.14 | chellomere | macrobat, heh thank you, not really the first time :) |
| 16:56.25 | macrobat | i have seen you :D |
| 16:56.33 | abrotman | !tell ershad about apt-file |
| 16:56.35 | chellomere | I'm not that active nowadays |
| 16:56.44 | chellomere | suddenly (with no restart), I have to hold down a key for a while until a key press is generated by xorg. does anyone know what could cause this? have I activated some accessibility feature? |
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| 16:57.20 | chellomere | speaking of the devil... it works again, and key press events are generated just like normally. hmm. |
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| 16:57.50 | abrotman | chellomere: gnome ? |
| 16:57.59 | ershad | abrotman, That is really a helpful app, thanks :) |
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| 16:58.01 | chellomere | abrotman, no, xfce |
| 16:58.17 | abrotman | ah, no idea then .. gnome has 'accessibility' features .. like sticky keys, etc |
| 16:58.30 | chellomere | yeah |
| 16:58.33 | handheldcar | I don't know how to apply the instructions on this page http://alsa.opensrc.org/How_to_use_softvol_to_control_the_master_volume My device name doesn't show up like that. http://pastebin.com/bYAhHUkU |
| 16:58.46 | paq | Hi, when I play a flash video in Google Chrome, where is the file stored, because I don't see it in /tmp. |
| 16:59.04 | chellomere | I might've triggered one of those features through some keyboard combination, but I don't know. it seemingly randomly went back to normal. |
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| 17:01.35 | narhen | Hi, I'm having some trouble installing the NVIDIA-driver. The installer tells me Nouveau is incompatible with the NVIDIA drivers, and should be unloaded from the kernel. The installer created a file in /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-installer-disable-nouveau.conf which would prevent nouveau to do a modeset. however whis only causes the boot-process |
| 17:01.40 | narhen | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.58 | narhen | anyone here who might help? |
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| 17:03.43 | StefandeVries | paq: which version of Firefox are you using? |
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| 17:04.21 | paq | StefandeVries, 3.5.16 |
| 17:04.49 | StefandeVries | paq: Strange, that ought to work. I'm sorry, I can't help you any further |
| 17:05.02 | eflynn | hey, is there a way to show ONLY user processes in top, not kernel processes? |
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| 17:06.17 | StefandeVries | eflynn: try "top -u <username>" |
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| 17:07.44 | eflynn | StefandeVries: cool |
| 17:08.04 | StefandeVries | eflynn: that's what I thought ;) |
| 17:09.21 | paq | StefandeVries, you are using debian 5 or 6? |
| 17:09.45 | StefandeVries | paq: Debian 6, with OpenBox, SSH and some other thingies |
| 17:10.16 | eflynn | i'm going to be running LFS soon |
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| 17:10.27 | cantoma | hey dear friends, does anyone knows which package supplies lg2c library (fortran related). In my debian squeeze the '>apt-cache search lg2c' does not report anything. I have tried google it and people ask to locate it .. but in my case '>locate lg2c' does not report any results either. |
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| 17:11.35 | paq | StefandeVries, hmm, cause I used to find flash files in /tmp when I was running debian 5, but since I went to 6, I can't find them anymore |
| 17:11.56 | paq | StefandV_AFK, thats why I asked |
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| 17:15.22 | Gijs | Hello people, i need help. how do i download a package from debian but not install it, i just want to extract it and get 1 file from that package and move it to an location to my server |
| 17:15.35 | Gijs | Package: http://packages.debian.org/sid/libmysqlclient16 |
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| 17:16.23 | abrotman | Gijs: did you read the man page for your package manager? |
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| 17:16.40 | narhen | Gijs: apt-get -d install <package> ? |
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| 17:17.10 | paq | Hey abrotman, Can you help me find temp flash video files on my system. I can't see them in /tmp |
| 17:17.39 | Gijs | can anybody help? E: Couldn't find package libmysqlclient16 |
| 17:17.42 | abrotman | paq: i don't know much about where adobe flash stores temp files .. but i doubt it's somewhere you'd check |
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| 17:18.04 | Gijs | But the package does exist: http://packages.debian.org/sid/libmysqlclient16 |
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| 17:18.15 | abrotman | that's in sid |
| 17:18.36 | paq | abrotman, with debian 5 I used to see them in /tmp, and some other person said he still finds them there while he is using debian 6, but I don't see them. Thanks anywayss though |
| 17:19.00 | abrotman | paq: perhaps you can set the file .. but if it's from youtube .. you can use a program to download the movie |
| 17:19.29 | cantoma | Gijs, ar vx libmysqlclient16_5.1.56-1_i386.deb |
| 17:19.40 | paq | abrotman, no not youtube though, ok |
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| 17:22.58 | iand | Hi |
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| 17:23.34 | iand | I used the 'from within windows' installer. |
| 17:23.43 | iand | However I am using mc donalds WIFI. |
| 17:24.10 | iand | The wifi drivers for my lenevo g555 didn't work. |
| 17:24.27 | iand | Is it possible to use wifi, I did for a usb install once. |
| 17:25.07 | iand | If so, how do i get the correct drivers? |
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| 17:25.51 | treebeen | iand: debian? |
| 17:25.55 | paq | probably when you use the installer and try to install the driver for you hardware, it will say which driver you need, then you go get it |
| 17:26.12 | iand | Sure is! |
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| 17:26.28 | iand | http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 17:26.40 | iand | Use of Debian logo does not imply endorsement by the Debian project. |
| 17:26.58 | paq | I remember for my thinkpad, I needed some driver separate from the installer, but I can't remember what it was called |
| 17:26.59 | iand | However, at this point I am at a default non gui installer |
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| 17:27.27 | treebeen | iand: what version is it? |
| 17:27.37 | iand | Of what? |
| 17:27.43 | iand | Debian? |
| 17:27.50 | iand | I believe stable. |
| 17:27.59 | treebeen | ah, you need wifi to install? |
| 17:28.04 | michlemken | Gijs, get libmysqlclient16_5.1.56-1_i386.deb, mysql-client-5.1_5.1.56-1_i386.deb, libmysqlclient-dev_5.1.56-1_i386.deb , libmysqlclient-dev_5.1.56-1_i386.deb and dpkg -i * |
| 17:28.05 | iand | Yes |
| 17:29.51 | michlemken | Gijs, omit the dev packages, if you not developing things |
| 17:29.54 | narhen | is squeeze the latest debian? |
| 17:30.02 | jrd0 | yes |
| 17:30.08 | narhen | sweet |
| 17:30.20 | iand | treebeen: ? |
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| 17:31.38 | matias | phorce1_home, just to let you know, the problem was the daemon version as I can see, I installed an older version and now it's fine :) |
| 17:31.46 | IdleNinteen | IDLEONE HERE! IF YOU DIED TODAY DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP? NIGGERS, GAYS, JEWS AND FREENODE STAFF ARE ALL GOING TO BURN IN HELL.. IF YOU ARE ONE OF THESE YOU NEED TO ASK JESUS CHRIST FOR FORGIVENESS. IdleNinteen matias Azrael_- ax-ax jargon- iand starenka gpm mirelsol ws2k33 goose Gijs siyb aouehtsn Calif TMKCodes linuxfreck A1__ Floopsy foetus tensorpudding paq angus_ Ricardo__ chrisjw syslq Protux jrib ecc narhen ealdor os |
| 17:31.58 | Gijs | michlemken |
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| 17:32.08 | Gijs | libmysqlclient16_5.1.56-1_i386.deb How to download and extract this :)? |
| 17:32.14 | iand | God, I could care less. |
| 17:32.22 | iand | God, Hell is just fine. |
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| 17:33.41 | iand | So from these responses it is NOT possible to use wifi, or it is possible however no one knows how? |
| 17:34.08 | abrotman | iand: you'd need the firmware |
| 17:34.33 | iand | WHAT firmware? For the drivers? |
| 17:34.37 | iand | you mean for my card? |
| 17:34.49 | iand | how would I get those from within windows? |
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| 17:35.28 | IdleNinteen | IDLEONE HERE! IF YOU DIED TODAY DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP? NIGGERS, GAYS, JEWS AND FREENODE STAFF ARE ALL GOING TO BURN IN HELL.. IF YOU ARE ONE OF THESE YOU NEED TO ASK JESUS CHRIST FOR FORGIVENESS. IdleNinteen mtx_init Zygo timahvo1 tvm LjL matias Azrael_- ax-ax jargon- iand starenka gpm mirelsol ws2k33 goose Gijs siyb aouehtsn Calif TMKCodes linuxfreck A1__ Floopsy foetus tensorpudding paq angus_ Ricardo__ chrisjw syslq P |
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| 17:35.44 | IdleThirtyTwo | IDLEONE HERE! IF YOU DIED TODAY DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP? NIGGERS, GAYS, JEWS AND FREENODE STAFF ARE ALL GOING TO BURN IN HELL.. IF YOU ARE ONE OF THESE YOU NEED TO ASK JESUS CHRIST FOR FORGIVENESS. IdleThirtyTwo mtx_init Zygo timahvo1 tvm LjL matias Azrael_- ax-ax jargon- iand starenka gpm mirelsol ws2k33 goose Gijs siyb aouehtsn Calif TMKCodes linuxfreck A1__ Floopsy foetus tensorpudding paq angus_ Ricardo__ chrisjw sys |
| 17:35.44 | IdleThirtyTwo | IDLEONE HERE! IF YOU DIED TODAY DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP? NIGGERS, GAYS, JEWS AND FREENODE STAFF ARE ALL GOING TO BURN IN HELL.. IF YOU ARE ONE OF THESE YOU NEED TO ASK JESUS CHRIST FOR FORGIVENESS. Sw33NY_ Gottaname mtn Smiley D-HUND daemonkeeper nhandler FrankieShoelaces SgrA shahri cheasee afurlan em Myztik Sw33NY wvmac pyrony access_d christopher jahil1 terranova rdz llua chasing`Sol MartyD s0d0 lusotux derchris kuhka |
| 17:35.44 | IdleThirtyTwo | IDLEONE HERE! IF YOU DIED TODAY DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP? NIGGERS, GAYS, JEWS AND FREENODE STAFF ARE ALL GOING TO BURN IN HELL.. IF YOU ARE ONE OF THESE YOU NEED TO ASK JESUS CHRIST FOR FORGIVENESS. Arieh solexx bier|tp IceWewe bier miguetan eflynn HazardX ring1 {41444d494e} Furai` bint Bop michlemken Captain_Haddock Tigger__ do0ob blackpenguin DLange svg nukem rideh ymasory lost_soul ddan Leoneof catsup levifig candyban |
| 17:35.46 | matias | can anyone ban him lol? |
| 17:36.04 | nhandler | matias: idoru handled it |
| 17:36.11 | michlemken | no lol |
| 17:36.26 | ddan | thank his god i'm atheist |
| 17:36.59 | iand | I'm glad my god isn't that desperate! |
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| 17:37.46 | IdleNinteen | IDLEONE HERE! IF YOU DIED TODAY DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP? NIGGERS, GAYS, JEWS AND FREENODE STAFF ARE ALL GOING TO BURN IN HELL.. IF YOU ARE ONE OF THESE YOU NEED TO ASK JESUS CHRIST FOR FORGIVENESS. IdleNinteen mtx_init Zygo timahvo1 tvm LjL matias ax-ax jargon- iand starenka gpm mirelsol ws2k33 goose Gijs siyb aouehtsn Calif TMKCodes linuxfreck A1__ Floopsy foetus tensorpudding paq angus_ Ricardo__ chrisjw syslq Protux jri |
| 17:37.46 | iand | My god would make a mountain that says 'use debian' and than he would destroy windows, also he doesn't exist. However that is off topic. |
| 17:37.46 | IdleNinteen | IDLEONE HERE! IF YOU DIED TODAY DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP? NIGGERS, GAYS, JEWS AND FREENODE STAFF ARE ALL GOING TO BURN IN HELL.. IF YOU ARE ONE OF THESE YOU NEED TO ASK JESUS CHRIST FOR FORGIVENESS. Gottaname mtn Smiley D-HUND daemonkeeper nhandler FrankieShoelaces SgrA shahri cheasee afurlan em Myztik Sw33NY wvmac pyrony access_d christopher jahil1 terranova rdz llua chasing`Sol MartyD s0d0 lusotux derchris kuhkatz _thalam |
| 17:37.46 | IdleNinteen | IDLEONE HERE! IF YOU DIED TODAY DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP? NIGGERS, GAYS, JEWS AND FREENODE STAFF ARE ALL GOING TO BURN IN HELL.. IF YOU ARE ONE OF THESE YOU NEED TO ASK JESUS CHRIST FOR FORGIVENESS. bier|tp IceWewe bier miguetan eflynn HazardX ring1 {41444d494e} Furai` bint Bop michlemken Captain_Haddock Tigger__ do0ob blackpenguin DLange svg nukem rideh ymasory lost_soul ddan Leoneof catsup levifig candyban hardnrgg vivid |
| 17:37.46 | IdleNinteen | IDLEONE HERE! IF YOU DIED TODAY DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP? NIGGERS, GAYS, JEWS AND FREENODE STAFF ARE ALL GOING TO BURN IN HELL.. IF YOU ARE ONE OF THESE YOU NEED TO ASK JESUS CHRIST FOR FORGIVENESS. jelly-home Sose ApEtc kelvin sbine Anubisss marowit nixoeen bla ferr v3d SSL` poisonbit krushik dspace themill Cyanure MeglaW Cogito NuclearMeltdown dylanoc somnus sylar Sanitoeter scoobert1on Nu^253r bolt grindax seven| nicoula |
| 17:37.46 | IdleNinteen | IDLEONE HERE! IF YOU DIED TODAY DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP? NIGGERS, GAYS, JEWS AND FREENODE STAFF ARE ALL GOING TO BURN IN HELL.. IF YOU ARE ONE OF THESE YOU NEED TO ASK JESUS CHRIST FOR FORGIVENESS. calisto1 Yu\2 grazymax ]3n19m4[ Morten_ Jussi_ cahoot debsan netzsportler dutchfish desti_T2 xtr ignotusp bman_ Zitter macrobat Qtronix feen moses xingu geekosopher t4a knfbny Bryanstein thunderrd Fudge bzed daemon aypea[3] Inte |
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| 17:37.51 | matias | haha |
| 17:37.56 | ddan | omg again lol |
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| 17:38.02 | iand | woooh! |
| 17:38.04 | Gijs | libmysqlclient16_5.1.56-1_i386.deb How to download and extract this :)? |
| 17:38.05 | goose | lol'd |
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| 17:38.10 | goose | hey guys, wanna race to hell? |
| 17:38.14 | matias | but he was kicked, not baned |
| 17:38.15 | ddan | i'm up |
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| 17:38.48 | michlemken | op! |
| 17:39.41 | kloeri | matias: it gets killed, then klined by idoru |
| 17:40.11 | ddan | +1 for idoru |
| 17:40.20 | Nu^253r | what was that? |
| 17:40.22 | ignotusp | spammers >_< |
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| 17:40.53 | Nu^253r | it was bad omen |
| 17:40.58 | michlemken | Gijs, http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 17:41.06 | Nu^253r | i have to wash my eye |
| 17:41.26 | gpm | i'm trying to enable automatic gdm3 login. unfortunately the GUI is broken due to some policykit bug (even in testing) so i'm editing config files. i've edited /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf and added "AutomaticLoginEnable = true" and "AutomaticLogin = gpm" but it's still not working. any clues? |
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| 17:43.53 | SgrA | gives IdleNinteen a cup of coffee. |
| 17:44.46 | Gijs | michlemken this one? http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libmysqlclient16 |
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| 17:46.11 | michlemken | gpm, "AutomaticLogin = gpm" is no good (having the nick 'gpm') - but that is no clue |
| 17:46.23 | abrotman | gdm you mean ? |
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| 17:47.13 | gpm | no, gpm is my username. i dunno if anyone knows what vars to set in this file |
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| 17:51.19 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 17:55.16 | public_morozov | hi |
| 17:55.16 | public_morozov | I have openldap 2.4.23, is it possible to configure it so that msoutlook (for example 2007) will show all contacts from ldap immediately after address book is opened (virtual list view future)? |
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| 17:55.40 | project2501b | public_morozov: did you not ask this question this morning, as well. |
| 17:56.10 | project2501b | and yes you can. |
| 17:58.13 | Gijs | People help, i replaced file: libmysqlclient.so.16 with a 64 bit file, and now my mysql is fuxed up. whats the best and fastest way to solve this problem? |
| 17:58.45 | project2501b | Gijs: hire a sysadmin |
| 17:58.56 | a111 | I created a NTFS partition, but i cant read it on windows. How do i fix it? |
| 17:59.01 | public_morozov | project2501b yeah, but i can't find some information about how configure VLV ;( |
| 17:59.08 | movl | Gijs: tried Google? |
| 17:59.20 | narhen | alll how did you create it? |
| 17:59.27 | project2501b | public_morozov: then you should be asking in #windows not #debian |
| 17:59.38 | public_morozov | project2501b it is not outlook trouble |
| 17:59.44 | Gijs | movl i did and i couldn't find anything |
| 17:59.51 | project2501b | a111: please describe your question better. |
| 18:00.09 | public_morozov | project2501b as i know outlook send some query after book is opened |
| 18:00.16 | simonlnu | Gijs: reinstall the library? |
| 18:00.19 | public_morozov | project2501b but openldap not answer this query |
| 18:00.23 | a111 | I formatted a disk as NTFS in debian, put some data on it, and then put windows on the computer with it in. Windows cant read from the disk. |
| 18:00.29 | Gijs | wich library? |
| 18:00.32 | movl | Gijs: what distro? |
| 18:00.56 | simonlnu | Gijs: the one you changed, of course |
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| 18:01.22 | movl | Gijs: libmysqlclient, but I have a feeling you did not use Google |
| 18:01.29 | simonlnu | (duh) |
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| 18:01.51 | narhen | alll did you remember to mkntfs the partition? |
| 18:01.58 | movl | get the package for your distro, unpack, copy |
| 18:02.10 | project2501b | a111: again, how did you "put windows on the computer with it in"? |
| 18:02.14 | project2501b | Gijs: what distro? |
| 18:02.27 | a111 | installed it on the disk i had debian on project2501b |
| 18:02.38 | project2501b | *facepalm* |
| 18:02.41 | narhen | haha |
| 18:02.43 | Gijs | E: Couldn't find package libmysqlclient |
| 18:02.50 | Gijs | Debian 5.0 32 bit |
| 18:03.03 | a111 | The NTFS partition was on another hard drive |
| 18:03.39 | movl | Gijs: aptitude search |
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| 18:03.47 | movl | it's libmysqlclient16 |
| 18:04.15 | movl | don't get used to have others do stuff for you |
| 18:04.15 | Kream | I have a Debian testing system with / on a RAID1. One of the drives failed and it won't boot up. I've replaced the failed drive and am rebuilding the RAID. Planning to boot from cd, chroot in and re-install grub on /dev/md0. What's the recommended way to do it? dpkg-reconfigure grub? |
| 18:04.34 | Kream | or grub-install /dev/md0 ? |
| 18:04.41 | project2501b | grub install |
| 18:04.52 | Kream | isnt that for legacy grub? |
| 18:04.58 | Kream | or am i mixing it up? |
| 18:05.08 | Gijs | E: Couldn't find package libmysqlclient16 |
| 18:05.25 | project2501b | no idea. but if the grub team knows what is good for them, they should have kept grub-install |
| 18:05.31 | project2501b | else, ima have to go get the shotgun. |
| 18:05.38 | simonlnu | !tell Gijs -about search |
| 18:05.52 | project2501b | !tell Gijs about ubuntu |
| 18:06.01 | movl | :P |
| 18:06.04 | ompaul | Gijs: that might be about stuff to do with not lenny |
| 18:06.14 | ompaul | ,versions libmysqlclient16 |
| 18:06.16 | judd | Package libmysqlclient16 on i386 -- lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; wheezy: 5.1.49-3; sid: 5.1.56-1 |
| 18:06.21 | Kream | do you mean that grub-install is legacy, project2501b? |
| 18:06.22 | Mr_Queue | Having been forced to use Cent the last several weeks has made me love Debian more than ever. |
| 18:06.32 | Gijs | whaaat |
| 18:06.41 | Gijs | i don't understand anything about what you guys saying |
| 18:06.48 | project2501b | Kream: no, i mean, that changing the user interface because of a re-factoring is a bad idea. |
| 18:06.58 | euzao | which si the year of the applications on Debian? |
| 18:07.01 | simonlnu | read the msgs the bot left you |
| 18:07.06 | euzao | do they have a more actual repository? |
| 18:07.10 | ompaul | Gijs: the bot just told ya that the package exists in all sorts of versions (jud is a bot) |
| 18:07.14 | foetus | ~ |
| 18:07.22 | ompaul | even judd |
| 18:07.23 | project2501b | euzao: the year ubuntu becomes a regular distro |
| 18:07.47 | project2501b | Gijs: http://www.amazon.com/Learning-UNIX-Operating-System-Fifth/dp/0596002610 <-- read, come back later with questions. |
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| 18:08.14 | riot | how do i find out when a debian was installed? |
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| 18:08.57 | macrobat | riot: you could check the beginning of the logs |
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| 18:09.24 | Kream | project2501b: agreed |
| 18:09.33 | simonlnu | stat the installation-report file ? |
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| 18:09.53 | project2501b | then, who was phone? |
| 18:10.13 | dynamite | hen, or egg - what came first? |
| 18:10.29 | project2501b | i am 9, and what is this? |
| 18:10.37 | ompaul | project2501b: liar |
| 18:10.59 | ompaul | you may be 9+ something :) |
| 18:11.06 | dvs | 99+ |
| 18:11.09 | project2501b | TOO OLD |
| 18:11.18 | dynamite | No worries George |
| 18:11.30 | project2501b | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.44 | nihtml | hi |
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| 18:12.00 | Gijs | project2501b wow you are so funny! hope everyone can laugh about your pathetic jokes |
| 18:12.04 | riot | wieso muss ich eigentlich leuten die server einrichten immer wieder erklären, das man etckeeper, screen, debian-harden und sonstiges weiteres zeugs zuerst installiert... |
| 18:12.11 | ompaul | !de |
| 18:12.11 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 18:12.13 | riot | oops, sorry, EWrongChan |
| 18:12.21 | project2501b | Gijs: thanks! |
| 18:12.30 | riot | macrobat: good idea |
| 18:12.33 | dynamite | riot: mal nicht so grummelig! |
| 18:12.35 | dynamite | (: |
| 18:12.40 | nihtml | i cant install alsa, aptitude told me http://paste.awesom.eu/nihtml/kC7 |
| 18:12.41 | project2501b | ich bin eine berliner |
| 18:12.45 | nihtml | any idea? |
| 18:13.20 | cheater2 | riot: what "zeug" do you install normally? |
| 18:13.36 | Gijs | is libmysqlclient.so.16 a part of mysql-client? |
| 18:13.47 | ompaul | nihtml: I'd say y |
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| 18:13.56 | ompaul | nihtml: but that is just me |
| 18:14.02 | ompaul | ymmv |
| 18:14.12 | movl | Gijs: it is mart of libmysqlclient16, as previously explained |
| 18:14.15 | project2501b | yhwh |
| 18:14.16 | nihtml | what |
| 18:14.39 | ompaul | nihtml: I'd say Y, but that is just me, your mileage may vary |
| 18:14.46 | ompaul | it should be splendid |
| 18:14.53 | riot | cheater2: screen, zsh, mutt, vim, ccze, htop, dstat, munin, nagios, harden - not everytime all of them, and sometimes more |
| 18:15.03 | dynamite | zsh... |
| 18:15.04 | dynamite | :D |
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| 18:15.40 | nihtml | i understood, ompaul, but if i say Y, he doesnt install alsa |
| 18:15.40 | Gijs | it's a part of: mysql-5.1.54-linux-i686, what if i remove that? how do i find out what package it is? |
| 18:15.51 | nihtml | and me, i want to. |
| 18:15.59 | riot | dynamite: not really grumpy, just that i told a bunch of well known "admins" a few times now. I set up some servers for them but they decidedly delete the VMs because of weird setup changes they have. Annoying behaviour. I'm working on a script to automate server install for those.. ;) |
| 18:16.21 | simonlnu | nihtml: so install the deps |
| 18:16.24 | dynamite | sounds reasonable |
| 18:16.25 | riot | (i should take shitloads of money for that, anyway..) |
| 18:16.43 | nihtml | that's all the problem, simonlnu, they don't exist |
| 18:17.20 | simonlnu | but they do |
| 18:17.25 | Kream | how do i boot the debian cd in rescue mode? |
| 18:17.41 | project2501b | kream, reboot, "advanced" or "expert" |
| 18:18.18 | cheater2 | riot: thanks |
| 18:18.27 | Kream | project2501b: in expert, there's no rescue mode that I can see |
| 18:18.35 | Kream | and there's no advanced option |
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| 18:18.46 | project2501b | Kream: in space, no-one can hear you scream |
| 18:18.49 | simonlnu | e.g. ii lsof 4.81.dfsg.1-1 List open files |
| 18:18.54 | Kream | in your head, you're cool |
| 18:18.59 | project2501b | lol |
| 18:19.00 | project2501b | touche' |
| 18:19.05 | Kream | :) |
| 18:19.23 | nihtml | cant find them, simonlnu |
| 18:19.30 | project2501b | Kream: let me boot a cd in a vm. i don't remember off the top of my head. give me 10 |
| 18:19.32 | simonlnu | hands project2501b an é |
| 18:19.53 | project2501b | vowels for 500, simon |
| 18:19.55 | simonlnu | nihtml: something wrong with your package database |
| 18:20.01 | ompaul | nihtml: read it again, you have some stuff installed - it doesn't want to replace it |
| 18:20.20 | ompaul | nihtml: sorry I see it now |
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| 18:20.29 | simonlnu | brb, you take care of it, need to restart x (detaches) |
| 18:21.52 | riot | cheater2: be careful with that stuff, some of it has pointy edges and can hurt you badly if you make evil mistakes. |
| 18:22.12 | riot | cheater2: (aka, theres a reason, why its not default) |
| 18:22.15 | cheater2 | yeah i think munin ended up bringing down my network once |
| 18:22.23 | project2501b | Kream: reboot cd, advanced options -> rescue mode |
| 18:23.03 | ompaul | nihtml: install alsa-base |
| 18:23.17 | ompaul | so y and then alsa-base and build from there |
| 18:23.18 | project2501b | Kream: you can also start a rescue cd inside the expert installation, by adding the right modules |
| 18:23.29 | Kream | hmm |
| 18:23.47 | project2501b | where it says "pick modules"? |
| 18:24.01 | project2501b | i think it has a "rescue" module |
| 18:24.04 | Kream | project2501b: I can't see an "advanced options" menu |
| 18:24.14 | Kream | but I do have an "expert install" |
| 18:24.14 | project2501b | what version of the debian cd do you have? |
| 18:24.15 | Kream | wrong cd? |
| 18:24.21 | project2501b | you might have to scroll |
| 18:24.23 | Kream | testing |
| 18:24.32 | project2501b | wheezy? |
| 18:24.35 | Kream | yes |
| 18:24.42 | Kream | no, stable i think hang on |
| 18:24.47 | Kream | 6.01a iirc |
| 18:24.50 | project2501b | haven't seen the installer for wheezy, yet, but it should be there |
| 18:24.56 | project2501b | ok, yeah, squeeze, it is there |
| 18:25.04 | Kream | damn i have to switch freakin monitor cables |
| 18:25.10 | Kream | and one of them is flaky |
| 18:25.36 | Kream | booted from debian-6.0.1a-amd64-CD-1.iso |
| 18:25.59 | Kream | there's default, help, install, graphical install, expert install, automated install, install with barbecue sauce, graphical install with extra cheese |
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| 18:26.03 | Kream | but no advanced menu |
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| 18:26.37 | Kream | which cd are you booting off of? |
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| 18:26.50 | project2501b | kream hm. dunno, dude, its' in the netinstall. if you can wait 40-50 minutes. i will download the whole cd |
| 18:26.53 | nihtml | for this paste, I ran `aptitude install alsa-base', ompaul |
| 18:26.57 | dutchfish | Kream, you can use TAB key over the expert install for more options |
| 18:27.27 | spal | how can i find out he flash version being used in my firefox? |
| 18:27.34 | Kream | the boot line is /install.amd/vmlinuz initrd=/install.amd/initrd.gz priority=low vga=788 -- |
| 18:27.57 | thingfish | spal: in the address bar, type about:plugins |
| 18:27.58 | ompaul | nihtml: so answer me this how did you create a box with no audio? in that case why not run n and force it to happen |
| 18:28.12 | dutchfish | Kream, depends on what you want, the default will work on most systems |
| 18:28.52 | Kream | dutchfish: I replaced a raid1 drive, i need to chroot in and install grub properly on /dev/md0 |
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| 18:29.32 | nihtml | ompaul: *** No more solutions available *** |
| 18:29.37 | nihtml | when i say n |
| 18:29.37 | Kream | project2501b: you know which image the netinstall is booting off of? |
| 18:29.41 | dutchfish | Kream, then i would boot in rescue mode (either live cd or install cd) |
| 18:29.56 | Kream | dutchfish: I'm booting off of debian-6.0.1a-amd64-CD-1.iso |
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| 18:30.23 | simonlnu | re |
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| 18:31.29 | Kream | hm. now booting from System Rescue CD. |
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| 18:32.16 | dutchfish | Kream, you can follow this up to the point of having a console: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
| 18:33.36 | dutchfish | (chroot shell) |
| 18:34.07 | Kream | dutchfish: trying steps in http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch08s07.html.en |
| 18:35.57 | ompaul | nihtml: how did you manage to install a machine that had not got audio to start? |
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| 18:36.30 | nihtml | hm |
| 18:36.58 | nihtml | base system only, ompaul |
| 18:37.05 | ompaul | nihtml: what version of debian are you running etch? |
| 18:37.16 | Kream | apparently the magic trick is to type in the boot parameter rescue/enable=true dutchfish, project2501b |
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| 18:37.58 | nihtml | oh shi- |
| 18:38.07 | nihtml | dont need alsa for kfreebsd, im really stupid |
| 18:38.15 | simonlnu | hahaha |
| 18:38.21 | simonlnu | oops |
| 18:38.29 | nihtml | so stupid |
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| 18:38.43 | simonlnu | common mistake not stupid |
| 18:39.33 | nihtml | i forgot i was runing a kfreebsd |
| 18:40.28 | foetus | :) |
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| 18:41.23 | lolcat | I am switchian 2day |
| 18:41.44 | lolcat | to debian |
| 18:42.06 | ompaul | nihtml: hth ;-) |
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| 18:42.25 | ompaul | lolcat: what kept ya? |
| 18:42.39 | nihtml | yes, thanks |
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| 18:45.43 | simonlnu | get so used to doing stuff a certain way, and forget context, so you keep doing it, even though something else should be done. switch context, voilà |
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| 18:58.58 | foetus | recognizes a bunch of udp traffic using http with debmirror.. |
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| 19:02.35 | simonlnu | !dinstall |
| 19:02.35 | dpkg | i heard dinstall is the Incoming queue processor that runs on master daily - It's !dinstall until the next dinstall run, or obsolete. katie has replaced it. |
| 19:02.55 | simonlnu | !katie |
| 19:02.56 | dpkg | katie is, like, history, or see <dak> |
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| 19:07.19 | foetus | foetus presents: dpkg |
| 19:07.25 | foetus | !apt-spy |
| 19:07.25 | dpkg | a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using. |
| 19:07.30 | foetus | haha |
| 19:08.07 | foetus | is laughing.. |
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| 19:09.02 | a111 | What is the default chmod for cat? |
| 19:09.39 | simonlnu | whatever your umask is |
| 19:09.40 | NiLon | em? |
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| 19:10.03 | a111 | i did chmod 0750 /bin/cat but i dont know what the default was |
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| 19:10.14 | cahoot | a cat has rather specific chmod |
| 19:10.16 | simonlnu | oh, that one |
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| 19:10.43 | simonlnu | -rwxr-xr-x - 755 |
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| 19:11.11 | a111 | ok thanks :D |
| 19:12.04 | orzo | I am getting logged out of gnome at random. It used to be triggered by a wifi reassoc and now it seems to happen if i bump the computer (accelerometers). |
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| 19:12.59 | ompaul | a111: I so wanted to say lol or meow but refrained |
| 19:13.15 | a111 | lol |
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| 19:14.49 | dylanoc | hi, is there a way to ls files with chmod properties in numbers vs in 'rwx'? |
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| 19:15.18 | ll_r | hello |
| 19:15.52 | cusco_ | hi |
| 19:15.54 | ll_r | i want to make my debian boot from memory |
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| 19:16.02 | ll_r | is there anything good allowing this? |
| 19:16.10 | ompaul | dylanoc: do you mean something like stat * |
| 19:16.23 | cusco_ | im looking for a small device to run debian in, like sheevaplug ... pretty.. any sugestions? |
| 19:16.23 | fbh | dylanoc: You can just convert that in your head? The first 3 are the first letter, next 3 seconds letter and last 3 are the third letter |
| 19:17.01 | dylanoc | fbs: so, no util/cmd? |
| 19:17.14 | ompaul | dylanoc: and you only have 764 as I said stat * |
| 19:17.29 | fbh | I don't know of any, but I've nver had use for any tool like that |
| 19:17.51 | ompaul | fbh look at stat * |
| 19:18.07 | dylanoc | ompaul: stat * not listing all files |
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| 19:19.07 | ompaul | dylanoc: is it that you want stat .* |
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| 19:20.05 | dylanoc | ompaul: exactly :) but can I hide other info but chmod? |
| 19:20.31 | dylanoc | stat .* list too much info |
| 19:20.35 | ompaul | dylanoc: and you can if you think about using grep and cut correctly and writing a full shell script for that job |
| 19:20.39 | simonlnu | dylanoc: info chmod or man chmod |
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| 19:21.51 | dylanoc | ompaul: yeah, thank you |
| 19:23.33 | ompaul | dylanoc: ohh you will find use for grep -Ev Size and so on |
| 19:23.38 | ecc | cusco_: I like the Seagate DockStar and GoFlex Net. Small, cheap, low power consumption. |
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| 19:28.06 | chant | is X broken in unstable? |
| 19:28.15 | chant | I lost /usr/bin/X on last upgrade |
| 19:28.16 | jhutchins_lt | chant: Often. |
| 19:28.25 | chant | the executable lost |
| 19:28.35 | jhutchins_lt | !sid |
| 19:28.35 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
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| 19:29.09 | chant | is /usr/bin/X a symlink anyways? |
| 19:29.17 | chant | or is it an actual executable? |
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| 19:30.10 | zaman_ | hi |
| 19:30.54 | a111 | is it bad chmoding binaries as 755 ? |
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| 19:31.26 | jhutchins_lt | a111: Why? |
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| 19:31.42 | a111 | people wont be able to edit them or anything? |
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| 19:31.57 | jhutchins_lt | a111: Why are you changing them? |
| 19:32.26 | ompaul | a111: permissions will stop that anyway |
| 19:32.28 | jhutchins_lt | a111: How are the defaults unsatisfactory. |
| 19:32.29 | a111 | i chmod 0750 to stop users using it, but now i want to let them use it again |
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| 19:33.01 | ompaul | a111: when you break a computers software you get to personally keep all the pieces |
| 19:33.05 | jmarsden | a111: if they are binaries you created yourself, say in /usr/local/bin or similar, chmodding them is fine. If they were binaries installed from packages, leave their permissions alone. |
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| 19:33.30 | chant | can someone tell me which package /usr/bin/X is supposed to be in? |
| 19:33.34 | chant | xorg-server-common ? |
| 19:33.46 | jmarsden | chant: dpkg -S /usr/bin/X should tell you. |
| 19:34.02 | chant | jmarsden: well, /usr/bin/X got removed from my system on the last upgrade |
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| 19:34.09 | chant | I'm trying to figure out which package to downgrade |
| 19:34.40 | chant | (no packges were removed; just looks like faulty packaging) |
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| 19:34.49 | jhutchins_lt | chant: You're running sid and you don't know about apt-file? |
| 19:34.52 | jmarsden | So what does dpkg -S /usr/bin/X output on your system now? |
| 19:35.37 | babilen | chant: apt-file search -x "bin/X$" |
| 19:35.43 | allu2 | used sid before to know how to grep :P was a taughtfull experience |
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| 19:36.13 | chant | that is correct - i hadn't heard of apt-file until now |
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| 19:37.42 | chant | at least I know how to use ircII so I'm not hosed without X :) |
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| 19:38.08 | chant | xserver-xorg |
| 19:38.10 | chant | thank you. |
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| 19:39.57 | chant | FYI xserver-xorg 1:7.6+6 appears to be hosed :) |
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| 19:40.43 | babilen | chant: works fine here fwiw |
| 19:40.58 | chant | huh. |
| 19:41.39 | chant | something weird happened |
| 19:41.45 | chant | dpkg -L says xserver-xorg contains no files. |
| 19:41.46 | dpkg | No packages found matching says xserver-xorg contains no files. |
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| 19:44.50 | orzo | is there a way to list all packages not from the offiicial debian squeeze repos? |
| 19:45.00 | orzo | all installed packages, i mean |
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| 19:46.10 | RichiH | orzo: dpkg -l |
| 19:46.14 | foetus | cat /var/lib/dpkg/status | grep -B2 'install ok installed' | grep 'Package:' | cut -d' ' -f2 | sort>packages.$(uname -n) |
| 19:46.18 | dylanoc | hi, this bugged me for a while. alias in /etc/profile doesn't work? Could u help? http://pastebin.com/6kQ61wNH |
| 19:46.22 | RichiH | ah, wait, form official repos |
| 19:46.39 | dylanoc | I'm using Debian5 |
| 19:46.46 | orzo | RichiH: i want to know the packages i installed that are -not- official debian squeeze |
| 19:46.54 | foetus | lol |
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| 19:48.42 | dylanoc | Will alias in /etc/profile work for you? |
| 19:48.51 | Ring0` | Why debian has up to 52 CDs to download. When I will start installation from CD1 it will ask me to insert 2, 3 etc? |
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| 19:49.20 | daemonkeeper | Ring0`: No |
| 19:49.37 | daemonkeeper | Ring0`: Those are useful for offline installatons only. To install Debian the first CD is enough |
| 19:49.54 | daemonkeeper | You can install remaining packages you need through online mirrors |
| 19:50.01 | foetus | !netinstall |
| 19:50.01 | dpkg | [netinst] a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 19:50.06 | orzo | is it really 52 now? |
| 19:50.10 | babilen | Ring0`: And yes, it will ask you to provide additional CDs. You won't need them unless you don't have a network connection though. (ever!) |
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| 19:50.33 | Ring0` | daemonkeeper: I'm asking since when I took netinst CD is asked for firmare for my network cards |
| 19:50.41 | Ring0` | I skipped it since I don't have them on CD and I was left w/o network |
| 19:50.41 | daemonkeeper | That's a different thing |
| 19:50.45 | Ring0` | I hope this CD1 will includ it? |
| 19:50.48 | daemonkeeper | No |
| 19:50.48 | babilen | !firmware image |
| 19:50.48 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install debian>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
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| 19:51.13 | babilen | Ring0`: Or provide the firmware on a removable medium (i.e. usb stick) as detailed in the installation guide |
| 19:51.32 | Ring0` | oh |
| 19:51.39 | a111 | Im trying to add 400 users automaticly, is there a way to set the password in the adduser command? I cant see it in adduser --help |
| 19:51.43 | a111 | i know there is on arch |
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| 19:52.10 | foetus | could be strained.. |
| 19:52.37 | gentx | a111: use useradd |
| 19:53.02 | a111 | I am, but i want to be able to set the password in the command without doing each user by hand |
| 19:53.14 | daemonkeeper | babilen: Can you recall the script to determine origin repository of packages? orzo was asking for such a thing, but I can't remember who provided this script. |
| 19:53.18 | gentx | a111: useradd and adduser are two different commands |
| 19:53.26 | a111 | ohh sorry misread it lol |
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| 19:54.21 | babilen | daemonkeeper: Hang on |
| 19:54.27 | babilen | !list repositories |
| 19:54.27 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory, or <bdo list>, or <dmm list> |
| 19:54.35 | babilen | daemonkeeper: That ^^^ ? |
| 19:55.02 | babilen | daemonkeeper: I wrote a slightly different one based on apt-show-versions though |
| 19:55.04 | daemonkeeper | Yes, exactly. Thanks a low |
| 19:55.06 | daemonkeeper | *lot |
| 19:55.10 | daemonkeeper | orzo: Here you are |
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| 19:56.21 | orzo | thanks |
| 19:56.22 | babilen | basic idea is: apt-show-versions | grep -e "/sid" |
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| 19:58.41 | dios_mio | i just installed debian, but it didnt place my windows install on the grub menu.....? |
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| 19:59.49 | orzo | that script is nifty, it should be packaged |
| 20:00.13 | dios_mio | in debian do we install stuff by first "su" ing to root? no sudo? |
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| 20:00.23 | handheldcar | My X is frozen. How do I restart it if I don't have gdm, kdm, or xdm? |
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| 20:00.41 | dios_mio | handheldcar, ctrl + alt + backspace.. then "startx" |
| 20:01.23 | dios_mio | !ccsm |
| 20:01.24 | dpkg | [ccsm] CompizConfig Settings Manager is a configuration tool for <Compiz> Fusion, packaged for Debian as compizconfig-settings-manager. The Compiz icon plug-in for <cairo-dock> (cairo-dock-compiz-icon-plugin package) provides a sub-dock for access to CCSM. http://wiki.compiz.org/CCSM |
| 20:01.30 | handheldcar | ctrl alt backspace doesn't work on this computer. |
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| 20:02.55 | thinksteve | handheldcar: Switch back to the VT you've booted X from and press CTRL+c. |
| 20:03.05 | babilen | dios_mio: You can install sudo if you want. You probably want to add your user to the "sudo" group, but you can configure it the way you want. man sudoers ; man visudo |
| 20:03.24 | dios_mio | babilen, but otherwise i just su then apt-get? |
| 20:03.49 | handheldcar | thinksteve: I started x in the background. (startx &) |
| 20:04.32 | a111 | do the hashes in /etc/shadow use the same salt? |
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| 20:05.21 | handheldcar | dios_mio: su -c 'apt-get install package' also works |
| 20:05.42 | dios_mio | thanks |
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| 20:10.27 | chant | Interesting. |
| 20:11.28 | chant | Somehow all my xorg packages apart from xserver-common and xserver-xorg-common got removed, and are no longer in an installable state. |
| 20:11.31 | chant | yay unstable. |
| 20:12.07 | chant | all the 'abi' packages appear to be uninstallable. |
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| 20:14.27 | orzo | When I log out of gnome, it does not take me back to the gdm screen. It instead just goes black. Any advise on troubleshooting that? |
| 20:14.55 | orzo | It is with official debian squeeze + 28 packages that are most likely unrelated but listed here: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=wLYF5VWy |
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| 20:15.34 | sololo | hello |
| 20:16.09 | sololo | i use debian kfreebsd and i cant find how to have sound |
| 20:16.32 | sololo | i read oss but where's the package oss4-base? :( |
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| 20:18.09 | tdn | How can I measure the output size of a command? Say I want to see how many bytes 'foo' outputs, I want to do something like ./foo | countbytes. Is there a tool for that? |
| 20:18.53 | orzo | tdn, iduno if this is best, but wc will do it |
| 20:19.08 | orzo | ./foo | wc |
| 20:19.13 | orzo | will show a line count and a byte count |
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| 20:19.40 | tdn | orzo, it is not text. It is binary. |
| 20:19.47 | tdn | orzo, it seems cksum can do it. |
| 20:19.57 | sololo | orzo: use wc -c for bytes |
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| 20:20.16 | orzo | sololo: will -c also handle zero bytes? |
| 20:20.28 | orzo | for binary |
| 20:20.36 | sololo | i think yes |
| 20:20.41 | tdn | Although I would like to see a counter showing e.g. every time I have a megabyte or something like that |
| 20:21.06 | tdn | sololo, is wc -c better than cksum? |
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| 20:21.25 | orzo | you could probably use | dd if=/dev/stdin of=/dev/null |
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| 20:21.30 | sololo | i dunno cksum |
| 20:21.42 | orzo | it will show a byte count when it finishes and you can send a signal USR1 repeatedly to it to see intermediate counts |
| 20:21.55 | flock-_ | hello. how do I "close" (without shutdown) a SCREEN on a private server without disconnect from the server? |
| 20:22.06 | tdn | orzo, oh, nice! |
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| 20:23.12 | ddan | is it possible to get the timestamp with awk only? |
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| 20:23.21 | tdn | flock-_, C-a d |
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| 20:23.51 | tdn | orzo, wow. That is nice! |
| 20:23.57 | tdn | orzo, using dd I mean. |
| 20:24.00 | tdn | orzo, thanks! |
| 20:24.21 | orzo | wlcom |
| 20:27.41 | tdn | orzo, awesome! I have watch -n 10 kill -USR1 22028 running in another terminal. This is really great. |
| 20:27.44 | tdn | :) |
| 20:28.02 | orzo | :) |
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| 20:31.31 | flock-_ | tks tdn, i'll try it. |
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| 20:42.36 | boudiccas | just thinking aloud, if i do an .........apt-get clean ............ will it wipe all the debs that i've downlaoded off the drive thereby freeing up space? |
| 20:42.53 | tdn | boudiccas, yes. |
| 20:43.05 | boudiccas | thanks |
| 20:43.33 | tdn | boudiccas, you can, for example, create a cron job that runs apt-get clean every night at 03:00 if you want. |
| 20:43.41 | t4a | was there a mass highlight earlier? |
| 20:43.53 | tdn | t4a, mass highlight? |
| 20:44.29 | boudiccas | now thats a good idea, even if its just run weekly. thanks for the idea tdn |
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| 20:44.56 | xand | t4a: yes |
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| 20:45.04 | t4a | ok |
| 20:45.08 | xand | (this is freenode :p) |
| 20:45.18 | t4a | thats usually why im highlighted on these channels i hardly talk on |
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| 20:45.53 | xand | t4a: /lastlog -hi |
| 20:46.11 | tdn | t4a, can't you just grep in your away log for your nick and see what it is? |
| 20:46.32 | cheng | hello , i have a question , how to install the lstest builds of chromium browser ? |
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| 20:48.33 | cheng | i install chromium browser by apt , it's version is to old |
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| 20:48.51 | cheng | hello , |
| 20:48.57 | orzo | i use firefox |
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| 20:49.13 | orzo | and i install it from a tarball in a 32bit chroot |
| 20:49.42 | orzo | you should check chromium's website for instructions on how to install |
| 20:50.09 | cheng | orzo: i use chrome on win 7 , i can sync bookmark by chrome , |
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| 20:51.28 | cheng | orzo: yes , but i want add it to sources.list |
| 20:51.30 | orzo | well theres no "debian way" to install latest chrome unless maybe its in some backports repo |
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| 20:51.56 | xand | cheng: download a chrome .deb from google? |
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| 20:52.35 | cheng | xand: i say chromium , not google-chrome |
| 20:53.02 | xand | what's the difference? |
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| 20:53.41 | orzo | hm, http://lwn.net/Articles/404050/ |
| 20:53.47 | xand | http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxBuildInstructions |
| 20:54.26 | cheng | xand: google-chrome is based on chromium |
| 20:54.46 | orzo | did debian security change its practice as a result of that epic 2008 ssl revelation? |
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| 20:55.11 | ectospasm | orzo: I don't think so, but I haven't been paying attention |
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| 20:57.44 | orzo | i imagine just adding another layer of review on critical packages would be appropriate |
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| 21:00.22 | chant | X is back. Yay. |
| 21:00.30 | orzo | chant |
| 21:00.39 | chant | yes? |
| 21:00.40 | orzo | when your X froze, were you juts loging out of your sesison? |
| 21:00.57 | orzo | session |
| 21:00.58 | chant | I was restarting X after an upgrade |
| 21:01.01 | orzo | oh |
| 21:01.07 | orzo | do you use gnome? |
| 21:01.21 | chant | the upgrade happened to remove vital parts of X due to being in the midst of an upgrade |
| 21:01.22 | chant | nope. |
| 21:01.29 | gentx | the manpage for sources.list does not specify what the contrib keyword indicates? |
| 21:01.34 | chant | whoever pushed the packages from unstable to testing didn't do it atomically |
| 21:01.39 | chant | rather |
| 21:01.43 | chant | from experimental to unstable |
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| 21:01.59 | chant | so half were on one ABI, half on another, and dpkg was not happy. |
| 21:02.36 | orzo | i experience this bug, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=305471 |
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| 21:03.35 | babilen | !tell gentx -about contrib |
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| 21:06.19 | lapsusbrutus | !contrib |
| 21:06.19 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compatible software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ [lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then aptitude update. Also ask me about <non-free>. |
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| 21:06.57 | gentx | !non-free |
| 21:06.57 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 21:07.16 | ompaul | orzo: what version are you using of Debian? |
| 21:07.40 | gentx | !vrms |
| 21:07.41 | dpkg | The Virtual Richard M. Stallman for Debian GNU/Linux (aptitude install vrms). vrms will list the <contrib> and <non-free> packages installed on your system and for some of the them explain why they are non-free. Its list of "reasons" is horribly unmaintained however. You could also just "aptitude search ~i~scontrib ~i~snon-free" to get the same information. |
| 21:08.06 | ompaul | !botabuse |
| 21:08.06 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
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| 21:08.52 | ompaul | gentx: /msg dpkg works and that package vrms is as faulty as the journey from here to mars and back is long |
| 21:09.02 | zorrolero | hehe, fefe seen in a botanswer |
| 21:09.49 | gentx | ompaul: ok thanks. |
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| 21:10.08 | ompaul | babilen: perhaps <vrms> should be removed from [non-free] |
| 21:10.53 | astartoth | hi all, anyone knows if someone compiled nautilus-dropbox for squeeze? |
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| 21:11.49 | babilen | ompaul: ack |
| 21:12.14 | ompaul | babilen: thought that ;-) |
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| 21:18.04 | Bartzy | it's safe to use contrib and non-free in my sources.list ? |
| 21:18.07 | Bartzy | they're just as secure ? |
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| 21:20.43 | spal | i have downloaded flashplayer10_2_p3_64bit_linux_111710.tar.gz from Adobe website. now, how do I make iceweasel use it? |
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| 21:21.18 | pyro_ | spal, just enable non-free repository and install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 21:22.13 | Bartzy | anyone ? :) |
| 21:22.17 | spal | pyro_, the version there seems old |
| 21:22.45 | chant | mkdir ~/.mozilla/plugins , drop it in there, restart your browser |
| 21:23.06 | chant | just be carefully about keeping it up to date! |
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| 21:23.51 | spal | chant, dropping it into /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins wouldn't be okay? |
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| 21:24.12 | chant | spal - probably? |
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| 21:26.49 | spal | chant, so I dropped it there and restarted my browser. when i visit youtube, it still uses flash version 9 |
| 21:27.12 | Bartzy | it's safe to use contrib and non-free in my sources.list ? |
| 21:27.39 | boudiccas | Bartzy, depends on what you mean with 'safe'? |
| 21:27.46 | Bartzy | safe security wise |
| 21:27.49 | chant | spal: - go to about:plugins in the browser, maybe it'll tell you the path to the one it is using |
| 21:27.53 | Bartzy | don't care about free policies |
| 21:28.17 | spal | chant, about:plugins shows paths for you? |
| 21:28.24 | chant | spal: no, but I don't use flash :) |
| 21:28.29 | chant | nor iceweasel |
| 21:28.35 | chant | just trying to help out :) |
| 21:28.35 | spal | ok |
| 21:29.02 | chant | you probably have an older version sitting around in your fs somewhere |
| 21:29.12 | chant | but you obviously figured that much out :) |
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| 21:32.59 | boudiccas | Bartzy, its your choice, you decide :) |
| 21:34.00 | boudiccas | Bartzy, personally i wouldnt but then i've only been running my deban box for a fortnight and i dont want to reinstall stuff yet |
| 21:34.12 | last1 | can a repository contain multiple versions of the same software ? |
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| 21:42.06 | lapfrog | last1: in some cases yes, for example gtk+-1.2 and gtk+-2.0 |
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| 21:42.26 | lapfrog | last1: and automake is another example, and gcc |
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| 21:43.52 | gentx | does debian have a script to show all running services? |
| 21:44.12 | spal | gentx, ps? |
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| 21:44.47 | qwd | pstree is nice |
| 21:45.08 | gentx | i mean only services. like gentoo has rc-status |
| 21:45.21 | gentx | i don't want to see all other processes |
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| 21:47.00 | pyro_ | gentx, perhaps: for service in /etc/init.d/*; do $service status; done |
| 21:47.04 | pyro_ | but i dont know if it works |
| 21:47.10 | pyro_ | some scripts dont have status |
| 21:48.16 | jham | where can i see the original squeeze source.list without downloading the install image for squeeze? |
| 21:48.17 | gentx | yeah that executes some scripts |
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| 21:50.04 | jham | and is there any volatile |
| 21:50.08 | jham | sorry |
| 21:50.22 | jham | i mean is there any squeeze/volatile repository? |
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| 21:52.01 | ompaul | !squeeze volatile |
| 21:52.02 | dpkg | The Debian <Volatile> archive is discontinued starting from Debian 6.0, replaced by the squeeze-updates suite on official mirrors. Your squeeze sources.list could have "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free". http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110215 http://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <squeeze/updates>, ask me about <security>. |
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| 21:52.40 | ompaul | jham: ^^ I take it you saw the dpkg comment |
| 21:53.11 | jham | oh |
| 21:53.15 | jham | okay, thank you |
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| 21:57.46 | gentx | pyro_: ah. service --status-all works |
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| 22:04.26 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i have successfully setup NFS client and sever but i'm having some issues with the rights to the files for the client; here's is the line i added in the /etc/exports file: /home 192.168.1.124(rw) and when i try to connect to it using the client, only root has access to rw but other groups have rx; how do i make everyone have 777 access like in 'chmod 777 filename' |
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| 22:09.54 | b2v | Someone here ? |
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| 22:10.11 | ompaul | shh nobody say anything |
| 22:10.16 | ompaul | !ask |
| 22:10.16 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 22:11.24 | b2v | I have a problem on squeeze with ralink wifi usbkey that disconnecte from mu access point from time to time |
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| 22:14.04 | ompaul | b2v: I know nothing of wireless operations I am sure if you told people what version of debian you might get more interaction, you haven't said anything about signal strength or anything that might help people help you would find useful, if they have to pull teeth to get information then the quality of the interaction can go down a lot |
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| 22:18.06 | matt86861 | Am I correct, that if I write files and/or folders to a CD/DVD, then CD/DVD recording software always generates an .iso image(for example with genisoimage) file from those files and then writes this image file to a media? |
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| 22:21.02 | buhman | I'm trying to start a vnc server, but I'm not asked for a password when it starts |
| 22:21.12 | buhman | So when I try to connect, I can't authenticate |
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| 22:23.31 | ompaul | matt86861: the image file is not written as a file it is written as an image if I understand your question correctly |
| 22:24.30 | ompaul | buhman: I have only used vnc once ... once you set the password on the target machine the connection to the machine should be ok that is all I know |
| 22:24.48 | ompaul | buhman: so maybe it is an addressing machine |
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| 22:41.31 | Raptors | hye guys |
| 22:41.34 | Raptors | hey* |
| 22:41.49 | Raptors | is there a way to choose a different version of gcc to compile chromium with? |
| 22:41.57 | Raptors | 4.6 isn't supported |
| 22:42.08 | Raptors | and it seems to be broken right now |
| 22:42.42 | petemc | Raptors: you can easily change the gcc symlink and/or set the CC variable |
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| 22:43.16 | Raptors | petemc, I tried export CC=gcc-4.4 but it didn't work |
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| 22:43.28 | petemc | update-alternative --config cc |
| 22:43.58 | Raptors | bash: update-alternative: command not found |
| 22:44.00 | petemc | update-alternatives |
| 22:44.10 | petemc | use tab completion |
| 22:44.24 | Raptors | There is only one alternative in link group cc: /usr/bin/gcc |
| 22:44.25 | Raptors | Nothing to configure. |
| 22:44.31 | Raptors | :\ |
| 22:44.36 | petemc | install other gcc versions |
| 22:44.39 | Raptors | I guess I'll have to manually add it |
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| 22:49.56 | Raptors | petemc, update-alternatives: error: alternative link is not absolute as it should be: cc |
| 22:49.59 | Raptors | ??? |
| 22:50.12 | Raptors | sudo update-alternatives --install cc gcc-4.4 /usr/bin/gcc-4.4 50 |
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| 22:51.02 | Raptors | I put cc because I got this error before that "update-alternatives: error: alternative link /usr/bin/cc is already managed by cc." |
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| 22:51.46 | babilen | Raptors: Any particular reason why you don't just install the compiler in question (gcc-4.4) or (even better) the build-dependencies of chromium. |
| 22:51.54 | babilen | Raptors: What are you trying to achieve anyway? |
| 22:52.05 | Raptors | comple chromium |
| 22:52.09 | Raptors | compile |
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| 22:52.26 | babilen | Raptors: Why? |
| 22:52.27 | Raptors | babilen, I have gcc-4.4 installed |
| 22:52.30 | Raptors | it's not there... |
| 22:52.32 | Raptors | Why not/ |
| 22:52.33 | Raptors | ? |
| 22:52.44 | babilen | Raptors: Just for fun and profit? |
| 22:52.56 | Raptors | No, I just want the latest version |
| 22:53.07 | Raptors | so ya, I guess for "fun" |
| 22:53.19 | Raptors | how would you make a profit off it? :/ |
| 22:53.27 | apofis | I think it doesnt matter "why" more important is "works/doesnt work" |
| 22:53.32 | petemc | sell it |
| 22:53.35 | babilen | ,versions chromium |
| 22:53.36 | judd | Package chromium on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.13.2-1; squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; sid: 10.0.648.205~r81283-1 |
| 22:53.36 | jhutchins_lt | That is the true mystery of open source software. |
| 22:53.56 | Raptors | all outdated |
| 22:54.01 | Raptors | they are on like version 13 |
| 22:54.04 | apofis | @judd: 11 is the newest version |
| 22:54.13 | Raptors | git version is 13 |
| 22:54.33 | babilen | Raptors: I would take the source package from sid and work with that. Read the nmg on uupdate (/msg dpkg uupdate) if you want an even newer version. |
| 22:55.00 | Raptors | babilen, I know how to compile chromium I've been doing it for ages |
| 22:55.14 | Raptors | The prob isn't that I cant compile it, it's that 4.6 is broken right now |
| 22:55.24 | Raptors | gcc-4.6 wont work with chromium |
| 22:55.28 | Raptors | build fails |
| 22:55.28 | babilen | Raptors: And I am sure #chromium can help you to get their git tip compiled. I am not familiar with their build system, so I can't help with that. |
| 22:55.33 | Raptors | hence why I want to use 4.4 |
| 22:55.42 | babilen | Ah, ok |
| 22:56.14 | Raptors | trying to figure out how to add it to update-alternatives |
| 22:56.20 | Raptors | which chromium can't help me with |
| 22:56.34 | aypea[3] | is it a custom build of gcc? |
| 22:56.42 | Raptors | No |
| 22:56.47 | Raptors | its from repos |
| 22:56.52 | aypea[3] | ahhh |
| 22:56.56 | aypea[3] | should be easy then |
| 22:56.57 | Raptors | they aren't under cc for some reason |
| 22:57.28 | Raptors | bash@debian:~/depot_tools$ update-alternatives --config cc |
| 22:57.28 | Raptors | There is only one alternative in link group cc: /usr/bin/gcc |
| 22:57.28 | Raptors | Nothing to configure. |
| 22:57.41 | Raptors | o /usr/bin/gcc |
| 22:57.55 | Raptors | I tried to use /usr/bin/cc to add gcc-4.4 |
| 22:57.56 | Raptors | :| |
| 22:58.08 | aypea[3] | hmm |
| 22:58.16 | aypea[3] | I think I see. |
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| 23:00.10 | themill | Raptors: the version of the C-compiler is not managed by the alternatives system; the makefile should handle that for you. |
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| 23:00.31 | aypea[3] | raptors: yeah. make sure CC is set appropriately and it should all work out |
| 23:00.46 | aypea[3] | CC=<path to preferred> make blah for eg |
| 23:01.16 | Raptors | I don't use export? |
| 23:02.07 | aypea[3] | nah. it gets fed into the commands env list. |
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| 23:02.41 | babilen | Raptors: I would really talk to upstream as the bug has been marked "upstream" in Debian and they are much more likely to help you with it. See #624814 and http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=80071 |
| 23:03.21 | Raptors | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.28 | Raptors | babilen, I made those bug reports |
| 23:03.29 | babilen | Raptors: Or you could just use "CC=gcc4.5 make" (or gcc-4.4) if you want to change that. But that also depends on their build system. (Won't work with QMAKE for example, which they hopefully don't use) |
| 23:03.35 | aypea[3] | raptors: not =4.4 :) |
| 23:03.47 | Raptors | gcc-4.4* |
| 23:03.50 | aypea[3] | :) |
| 23:03.55 | babilen | Raptors: Err, make that "CC=gcc-4.4 |
| 23:03.56 | aypea[3] | should fly |
| 23:04.28 | babilen | or give an absolute path |
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| 23:06.10 | Raptors | even after I added the other gcc versions it's still saying there is only 1 :| |
| 23:06.15 | jeremyS | What happened to the qdevelop debian package? |
| 23:06.17 | Raptors | am I doing it wrong or something? |
| 23:06.33 | aypea[3] | what do you mean only one? |
| 23:06.57 | Raptors | bash@debian:~/depot_tools/src$ update-alternatives --config cc |
| 23:06.57 | Raptors | There is only one alternative in link group cc: /usr/bin/gcc |
| 23:06.58 | Raptors | Nothing to configure. |
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| 23:10.28 | babilen | Raptors: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=115353 (have been digging deep in the archives) |
| 23:10.29 | themill | Raptors: forget the alternatives system, you don't need it for this task. |
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| 23:12.37 | babilen | Raptors: And as we said: Just use "CC=gcc-X.Y" for configure/make/whatever |
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| 23:19.26 | wooster | i'm trying to install cacti, i can get to the installation page on the web, but when i enter my configuration info it goes back to the start |
| 23:19.47 | wooster | i'm not seeing any errors anywhere |
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| 23:21.34 | babilen | try icinga ;) -- You might have to allow it to set cookies or things like this. Try it with different browsers and make sure you read its README.Debian |
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| 23:22.09 | wooster | ok |
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| 23:36.25 | proq | what is the command to re-run dialogs that configure software when it is first apt-get installed? |
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| 23:37.30 | proq | I missed it the first time because I was running in a dumb terminal |
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| 23:38.17 | babilen | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 23:38.33 | proq | ah, thanks. I was doing apt-get reconfigure |
| 23:39.40 | Sw33NY_ | it is possible to remove only dependance of the paquet.... |
| 23:39.40 | Sw33NY_ | ? |
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| 23:40.11 | Sw33NY_ | like a.... i install firefox, but i just want remove all dependances but not firefox ? |
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| 23:40.52 | babilen | no |
| 23:40.53 | HellTiger | i wana ask how rsync will handle sensible volumes created with truecrypt. is it danger to sync them, i dont know how delta-transfer handle it. |
| 23:41.03 | Sw33NY_ | okay thanks you babilen :) |
| 23:41.06 | cheasee | please join #truecrypt for truecrypt related questions :) |
| 23:41.36 | babilen | Sw33NY_: Why would you want to do that anyway? |
| 23:42.02 | Sw33NY_ | babilen: it's not for me, a friend... he is stupid :) |
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| 23:42.20 | babilen | Ok :-D |
| 23:42.40 | Sw33NY_ | :=) |
| 23:43.03 | nukem | is it possible to enable/disable identd on user base meaning user1 = disable identd user2 = enable identd on same box |
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| 23:44.09 | Arrowmaster | nukem: yeah depending on the identd server, im running oidentd and have it to only respond for 1 user and only when the request is for certain ports, otherwise it acts as if its not even running |
| 23:44.46 | HellTiger | ok, maybe some one is in this big channel and has a quick answer, its a bit late for small rooms |
| 23:44.59 | nukem | arrowmaster so is that mean "yes to my question"? |
| 23:45.41 | Arrowmaster | nukem: yes |
| 23:46.16 | nukem | does only root have ability to control identd? or can a user disable identd on their own |
| 23:46.50 | Sw33NY_ | why can i heard sounds of multiple programs, i can only heard one program with ALSA |
| 23:47.12 | Arrowmaster | nukem: using oidentd, in the main config file you can allow users certain control, which they configure through ~/.oidentd.conf |
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| 23:51.05 | HellTiger | Sw33NY: this is program dependend. some of old programs are using the old soundsystem oss |
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| 23:51.59 | Sw33NY | HellTiger: no, i use ALSA with Wheezy |
| 23:52.23 | Arrowmaster | alsa might not recognize your soundcard and know that it doesnt have a hardware mixer |
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| 23:52.47 | Sw33NY_ | it's my error with VLC : |
| 23:52.48 | Sw33NY_ | Potential ALSA version problem: |
| 23:52.48 | Sw33NY_ | VLC failed to initialize your sound output device (if any). |
| 23:52.48 | Sw33NY_ | Please update alsa-lib to version 1.0.23-2-g8d80d5f or higher to try to fix this issue. |
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| 23:52.57 | Sw33NY_ | :/ |
| 23:53.16 | Sw33NY_ | Arrowmaster: i have sound with ALSA and i think my soundcard is recognize |
| 23:53.21 | dvs | !paste |
| 23:53.21 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 23:53.41 | Arrowmaster | you can have sound without alsa knowing that your card does not have a hardware mixer |
| 23:55.40 | Sw33NY_ | and Arrowmaster what can i do for change it ? |
| 23:56.04 | Arrowmaster | you can try setting up alsa to use dmix but thats rather complicated |
| 23:56.36 | Sw33NY_ | Arrowmaster: it work with kde too ? |
| 23:57.18 | Arrowmaster | kde has its own sound system i think which might side step the issue |
| 23:57.40 | Sw33NY_ | Arrowmaster: badly i dont founded... |
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| 23:58.02 | flock-_ | someone knows how to use mdam? |
| 23:58.11 | Sw33NY_ | yeah flock-_ |
| 23:58.52 | flock-_ | Sw33NY, kinda noob here, got a dedicated server.. and looks like it had an problem with sata wires, they needed to get replace |
| 23:59.00 | flock-_ | and now they tell me to do an mdam |
| 23:59.33 | Sw33NY_ | mdad is RAID soft |
| 23:59.40 | Arrowmaster | mdadm |
| 23:59.54 | Sw33NY_ | .... |
| 23:59.57 | Sw33NY_ | ;. |
