| 00:00.43 | Sw33NY_ | flock-_: i know mdadm but not mdam ... |
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| 00:01.53 | Sw33NY_ | flock-_: ? |
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| 00:02.54 | flock-_ | well I am following the manual and it says mdam, just no idea whats the propose of it |
| 00:03.15 | kallisti5 | anyone know how to use the latest kernel from expermental on squeeze? |
| 00:03.39 | kallisti5 | added expermental source to squeeze and -t exper.. complains about linux-base when i try to install 2.6.39 |
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| 00:04.07 | Sw33NY_ | flock-_: mdam doesn't exist ... lol http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&client=opera&rls=fr&channel=suggest&q=mdam+linux+debian&aq=f&aqi=&aql=f&oq= |
| 00:04.15 | wooster | okay i got icinga installed, icing-web is hanging forever though loading up status map |
| 00:04.20 | wooster | no errors |
| 00:05.07 | flock-_ | Sw33NY, probably dont.. but it's what says on manual |
| 00:05.20 | flock-_ | but ok maybe some typing mistake |
| 00:05.38 | Hydroxide | kallisti5: experimental is generally not going to work with squeeze, only with sid |
| 00:05.55 | flock-_ | should be mdadm, at a translation version of the manual says mdadm.. anyway.. whats that about Sw33NY_? |
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| 00:06.03 | Sw33NY_ | and flock-_ i don't know the report on mdadm and your problem of sata wires.. |
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| 00:06.34 | Sw33NY_ | doesn't know |
| 00:06.34 | kallisti5 | Hydroxide: bah. ok. thanks! |
| 00:07.19 | Hydroxide | np |
| 00:07.33 | flock-_ | Sw33NY_, all they say on mail is that they needed to replace all the sata wires, and now the disks are detected.then they give me the manual to the raidsoft where they talk about the mdadm |
| 00:07.58 | Sw33NY_ | flock-_: is it's raid soft, it's mdadm |
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| 00:08.17 | Sw33NY_ | flock-_: if it's not for raid, i don't know |
| 00:08.35 | flock-_ | Ok but now I am not sure about the way I should go. |
| 00:08.42 | Sw33NY_ | flock-_: maybe... you can go to connection ssh ? |
| 00:09.14 | flock-_ | yes |
| 00:09.47 | Sw33NY_ | flock-_: in root, "mdadm --detail /dev/md0" |
| 00:10.01 | flock-_ | (btw its in rescue mod) |
| 00:10.24 | babilen | flock-_: They probably want you to configure a software raid with the new drives. -- /msg dpkg software raid -- /msg dpkg mdadm -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID |
| 00:10.34 | Sw33NY_ | btw ? i'm french no chrink please |
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| 00:12.07 | Sw33NY_ | babilen: yea, but maybe to save data or restore disk ? |
| 00:12.24 | jrd0 | here is my debian server http://jcode.cc/p/comp/server.jpg |
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| 00:12.44 | Sw33NY_ | jrd0: :p |
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| 00:13.12 | babilen | Sw33NY_: I have no idea |
| 00:13.13 | jrd0 | have you seen the guru plugs, they are even better |
| 00:13.21 | jrd0 | two gigabit ethernets could make a nice router |
| 00:13.31 | Sw33NY_ | babilen: tell to flock-_ explains us |
| 00:14.14 | Sw33NY_ | flock-_: it's an server for what ? web, ftp, data sharing, ..... |
| 00:14.30 | jrd0 | has anyone got tips on how to stop tearing in videos, when panning etc, im using the open source ati drivers & vlc |
| 00:14.37 | thegoodcushion | What GUI does Wheezy use? Is debian ever going to use GNOME 3? |
| 00:14.53 | flock-_ | sorry |
| 00:14.56 | jrd0 | not gnome shell :( |
| 00:15.07 | Sw33NY_ | thegoodcushion: i use Wheezy but with KDE |
| 00:15.08 | flock-_ | Sw33NY, the server is mainly for web |
| 00:15.29 | Sw33NY_ | flock-_: web server ? |
| 00:15.33 | Arrowmaster | thegoodcushion: its being worked on |
| 00:15.37 | babilen | thegoodcushion: You can install whatever you want and gnome 3 will eventually make it into unstable and (quite likely) into wheezy |
| 00:15.43 | thegoodcushion | okay |
| 00:15.47 | thegoodcushion | is it in testing? |
| 00:15.50 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 00:15.57 | Arrowmaster | its still being worked on |
| 00:16.11 | flock-_ | I am not sure about what they want. I was just using it for host some web and now I got this problem and came here to try to figure out if this is some kind of restore or needed to format |
| 00:16.13 | flock-_ | no idea. |
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| 00:17.43 | Sw33NY_ | flock-_: i can't help you.. |
| 00:17.58 | Sw33NY_ | flock-_: contact support . |
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| 00:18.38 | jrd0 | why does iceweasel fuck the world |
| 00:19.00 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: tell jrd0 about why iceweasel |
| 00:19.06 | dvs | jrd0: Because his brother gets all the fame |
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| 00:19.39 | jrd0 | i know why its iceweasel, i just want to know why hes humping the world |
| 00:19.47 | jrd0 | ops underlined lol |
| 00:20.03 | Arrowmaster | oh same reason firefox does |
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| 00:22.55 | becker_11 | Hello I was hoping I could mount my digi camera the same as an external hd but that isn't working I've pasted the output of dmesg (7 lines) to http://paste.debian.net/115712/ if someone could shed some light on it I'd appreciate it thanks |
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| 00:23.30 | muleformycash | Can someone please help me? I'm using libreoffice on gnome3, and after I click print for a document, gnome3 immediately says printing cancelled for that document, and i have no idea why |
| 00:24.45 | jrd0 | its the evil gnome shell |
| 00:24.51 | muleformycash | really? |
| 00:25.00 | jrd0 | yes, your printer doesnt like how horrible it is |
| 00:25.03 | jrd0 | and refuses to print for you |
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| 00:26.22 | babilen | muleformycash: I guess you found a bug in the *experimental* packages. |
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| 00:45.23 | moele | stupid broken kerberos :9 |
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| 00:45.24 | moele | :( |
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| 00:47.57 | becker_11 | Please forgive my repation |
| 00:48.00 | becker_11 | Hello I was hoping I could mount my digi camera the same as an external hd but that isn't working I've pasted the output of dmesg (7 lines) to http://paste.debian.net/115712/ if someone could shed some light on it I'd appreciate it thanks |
| 00:48.51 | becker_11 | and my bad spelling I meant repetition |
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| 00:50.45 | urz | whenever I connect a usb device, X crashes |
| 00:50.55 | urz | this with debian stable |
| 00:51.13 | nsadmin | how do I make it so my squeeze does the equiv of ntpdate at every boot? |
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| 00:52.06 | urz | nsadmin, probably the ntpdate package has some setting in /etc/defaults |
| 00:52.22 | nsadmin | ok, checking that now |
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| 00:52.54 | nsadmin | nope nothing starting with ntp at all |
| 00:53.38 | nsadmin | now that I installed ntp... |
| 00:53.39 | urz | there should be a file /etc/default/ntpdate provided by package ntpdate |
| 00:53.48 | nsadmin | I see ntp and ntp-common |
| 00:54.09 | becker_11 | urz: thankfully that doesn't happen on my machine but unfortuantely nothing else happens eitehr I can manually mount my usb stick but the cammera is proving to be more of an issue |
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| 01:02.20 | nsadmin | ahh, it worked with me doing anything other than install ntp |
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| 01:02.53 | nsadmin | so maybe it's already doing the equivof ntpdate |
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| 01:04.23 | abidoun | #linux |
| 01:05.01 | nsadmin | abidoun, probably on this net it's called ##linux |
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| 01:06.34 | abidoun | nsadmin: thank you |
| 01:06.39 | abidoun | ##linux |
| 01:07.23 | nsadmin | welcome. is it your intent to let all of us know about that channel? or to join it yourself? |
| 01:08.18 | abidoun | nsadmin i'm trying to get to this channel; i'm using pidgin, i just cant figure how :) |
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| 01:08.41 | becker_11 | abidoun: bad irc client bad experience |
| 01:09.02 | urz | you can either say /j ##linux or you can select Join a chat and select abidoun@freenode in the drop down and type ##linux |
| 01:09.03 | becker_11 | abidoun: I'm using irssi (command line) or theres xchat (gui) |
| 01:09.53 | abidoun | urz: thank you |
| 01:10.29 | nsadmin | there are maybe 15-20 different irc clients available... including the one you're using |
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| 01:10.43 | abidoun | becker_11: thanks |
| 01:10.44 | urz | well ive used pidgin before |
| 01:10.44 | moele | anyone aware of a bug with KRB5 and kprop? |
| 01:10.50 | moele | i cant get the source to build beyond KPROP |
| 01:10.52 | moele | just gives me a linker error |
| 01:10.56 | moele | but backtrace/debug reveals nothing |
| 01:11.00 | moele | no missing libraries no nothing.. |
| 01:11.07 | moele | just, ld returned the exit status, and Error 1.. |
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| 01:13.52 | nsadmin | moele: to help you answer your first question (and also any question of the form "anyone know of a problem/issue/feature request in package X"), |
| 01:13.56 | nsadmin | !bts |
| 01:13.56 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 01:17.29 | nsadmin | also |
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| 01:18.23 | nsadmin | if the error message you're reading came from make, you may be able to find the more-detailed and more-useful message earlier in the output |
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| 01:20.03 | moele | like i said |
| 01:20.06 | moele | im familiar with debuggers |
| 01:20.12 | moele | ive traced it as far back as I can |
| 01:20.17 | moele | and there is no verbatim to indicate an error |
| 01:20.22 | moele | the linker is just having a problem |
| 01:20.24 | moele | its not a make issue |
| 01:20.33 | moele | well technically it is |
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| 01:22.01 | nsadmin | one thing that could be helpful is to google the message you get from the linker (perhaps leaving out specific filenames) |
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| 01:23.35 | moele | nsadmin, been there done that |
| 01:23.50 | nsadmin | result? |
| 01:23.54 | moele | nsadmin, I know you don't typically get users that actaully research the problem before preaching, but let me assure you |
| 01:23.58 | moele | ive exhausted all possible avenues |
| 01:24.02 | moele | nasadmin, nothing useful :( |
| 01:24.03 | moele | unfortunately |
| 01:24.26 | nsadmin | what is the exact text of the error msg again? |
| 01:25.59 | nsadmin | moele, you're correct; we don't often get users who do research first |
| 01:26.48 | nsadmin | the next step would be to be able to examine the results |
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| 01:27.00 | moele | im attempting the build |
| 01:27.03 | moele | on another machine as well |
| 01:27.26 | moele | http://pastebin.com/Nx9QtZKf |
| 01:27.32 | moele | is a chunk |
| 01:27.46 | a111 | How would i limit the cpu % a user can use? |
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| 01:29.40 | nsadmin | so the error most probably emanates from line 21 |
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| 01:30.55 | nsadmin | you have the call to gcc and as you can see the args are specifying a link step |
| 01:31.15 | nsadmin | but we can't see the link step or any messages that come from it |
| 01:31.38 | nsadmin | well we can't see the call to ld |
| 01:32.04 | moele | i fixed it |
| 01:32.12 | nsadmin | what was it? |
| 01:32.18 | thegoodcushion | is the unstable debian still known as 'sid'? |
| 01:32.27 | moele | nsadmin, it was really stupid |
| 01:32.32 | nsadmin | sid is always unstable |
| 01:32.33 | moele | it was bitching about mktemp being dangerous |
| 01:32.40 | moele | and i forgot I had my kernel set to disallow linking of dangerous code |
| 01:32.44 | moele | so I had to change the fucntion to mkstemp |
| 01:32.57 | moele | god |
| 01:32.58 | urz | My X crash seems to happen when xserver-xorg-input-tslib is installed and I plug a USB device. |
| 01:33.00 | moele | the dumbest things :) |
| 01:33.08 | nsadmin | oh, you named your own func mktemp? |
| 01:33.21 | thegoodcushion | what's the default GUI in sid? |
| 01:34.24 | nsadmin | there is no such thing as a default anything in sid, only what there is currently which may or may not work (it's unstable after all) |
| 01:34.49 | thegoodcushion | it's still pretty stable for an 'unstable' distro |
| 01:35.00 | nsadmin | I'm not arguing that point |
| 01:35.15 | thegoodcushion | but seriously what is it? |
| 01:35.31 | simonlnu | only default there is is probably the mta. there is no default "GUI". |
| 01:35.41 | nsadmin | (at the risk of recommending unstgable), try it and see |
| 01:35.47 | rypervenche | I'm running Debian Squeeze, and I have some filenames in Chinese, and would like to see certain things in Chinese. I have a few Chinese fonts on my computer, but when there are more than 1, it defaults to a font that I don't like. How can I change the default Chinese font without changing my main font? |
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| 01:36.38 | nsadmin | disclaimer: I'm only saying that to you, and not recommending unstable to you or anyone else |
| 01:36.40 | simonlnu | in the fontconfig configuration. set the default fallbacks to whatever you want. (documentation online) |
| 01:36.46 | moele | nsadmin, no its a function in the standard C library that is considered unsafe |
| 01:36.49 | moele | thers mktemp and mkstemp |
| 01:36.53 | moele | one is "s" secure |
| 01:36.55 | moele | the other isnt. |
| 01:37.00 | moele | and my kernel doesnt like the non "s" one : |
| 01:37.06 | xcreat | how do i disable or remove avahi-daemon ? |
| 01:37.16 | simonlnu | purge it |
| 01:37.23 | xcreat | thats all ? |
| 01:37.38 | xcreat | won't screw up desktop ? |
| 01:38.01 | nsadmin | moele, your kernel is probably not supplying a recommendation to ld... that's pretty far fetched... having said that, excellent job finding/fixing the problem. |
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| 01:38.32 | simonlnu | keep only what that stuff deps on. probably a few libraries and maybe a binary or 3. *shrug*. use something smart like aptitude |
| 01:39.19 | rypervenche | simonlnu: Thank you, I will look into it. I am finding that a lot of things that were broken in Ubuntu work perfectly fine in Debian. sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales for one. |
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| 01:39.54 | a111 | Is there a way to increase the ammount of terminals availible? some of the users cannot login ebcause there are no free TTYs |
| 01:39.58 | simonlnu | i won't comment on ubuntu 'policy' here |
| 01:40.57 | simonlnu | yes, some of it is hardcoded in the kernel |
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| 01:41.02 | simonlnu | a111: ^^ |
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| 01:41.51 | abidoun | what version of gnome in squeeze? |
| 01:42.34 | handheldcar | Can anybody tell me why this doesn't work in Fluxbox? http://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard/MultimediaKeys |
| 01:43.49 | nsadmin | abidoun, try putting the exact text of your question into google |
| 01:43.53 | nsadmin | see what happens |
| 01:44.20 | xcreat | hmm, well that worked. Thanks. how do i disable or remove avahi-daemon ? |
| 01:44.38 | xcreat | err cups * |
| 01:45.32 | rypervenche | ,versions gnome |
| 01:45.33 | judd | Package gnome on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; sid: 1:2.30+10; wheezy: 1:2.30+10 |
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| 01:46.41 | nsadmin | hmm, I didn't notice him leaving either |
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| 01:48.09 | urz | Anyone want to test plugging usb devices with xserver-xorg-input-tslib 0.0.6-5 in debian stable? I believe it's causing X crashes. I also cannot seem to quit X normally using the gnome log out and i think both issues are with this same package |
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| 01:50.18 | thegoodcushion | rypervenche: What does the 1: mean in those numbers? |
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| 01:54.11 | Texou | hi |
| 01:55.18 | Texou | a little question: on lenny, with gnome, when I do alt-F2, I can write accelibreinfo.eu or any address and it runs iceweasel. On squeeze, I absolutely have to enter http://www.accelibreinfo.eu or any full address. Is that a config problem? a bug? |
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| 01:55.23 | nickbaugh | good movie editor? |
| 01:56.54 | nsadmin | google "good movie editor" |
| 01:57.21 | nsadmin | you might also look into performance considerations of specific hardware |
| 01:58.22 | nickbaugh | looking for opinions on deb os movie editors, openshot, openmovieeditor etc |
| 01:58.38 | nsadmin | have you tried them yourself? |
| 01:58.45 | nickbaugh | yes they suck |
| 01:58.59 | nsadmin | so, what else do you need? |
| 01:59.11 | nickbaugh | f.o. |
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| 01:59.32 | _joey | how do I upgrade debian distribution to a new release? |
| 01:59.33 | _joey | thanks |
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| 01:59.49 | Texou | _joey: reading note release :) |
| 02:00.01 | nsadmin | evidently you already have your own opinion and also evidently are not willing to accept another opinion. |
| 02:00.03 | _joey | where is the note release? |
| 02:00.06 | rypervenche | thegoodcushion: No clue. |
| 02:00.21 | babilen | _joey: Which version of Debian do you use now? |
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| 02:00.35 | _joey | the previous one |
| 02:00.42 | babilen | hehe |
| 02:00.43 | _joey | the previous stable |
| 02:00.50 | babilen | !tell _joey -about release notes |
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| 02:01.03 | rww | _joey: the channel /topic has some relevant dpkg factoids |
| 02:01.34 | _joey | how do I fsck upgrade to the latest stable? |
| 02:01.50 | babilen | _joey: fsck? |
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| 02:06.38 | mosno | it's not like the release notes aren't linked to on the front page of the debian website... sigh. |
| 02:07.16 | dvs | they are?! |
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| 02:07.38 | mosno | dvs: in the Getting Started section |
| 02:08.17 | dvs | mosno: I was just kidding. Some people need someone to point it out to them. |
| 02:08.44 | mosno | dvs: :) |
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| 02:10.09 | Texou | well gnome hasn't success ^^ I'll retry |
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| 02:14.15 | chetan | w |
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| 02:27.05 | rypervenche | I have read all of the man and doc files on fontconfig, and I still don't understand how I can set a default Chinese font on my English system. Can someone help me do this? |
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| 02:31.58 | urz | I want to log a bug against a debian stable package for an X input module that causes X to crash whenever I plug a usb device. Would it be appropropriate to tag this with high severity, and if so, is it grave, critical or serious? |
| 02:32.47 | dvs | urz: the maintainer will ultimately decide. |
| 02:32.59 | abrotman | urz: there is a list of descriptions |
| 02:33.18 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities |
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| 02:34.11 | abrotman | urz: i'd probably important or grave |
| 02:34.44 | abrotman | probably make it |
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| 02:36.56 | urz | my laptop webcam seems to re-plug itself rather unpredictably as i swivel the monitor hinge |
| 02:37.14 | urz | which of course was cuasing X to logout |
| 02:37.35 | urz | really frustrating, and if everyone had a laptop like me, i guess it'd be clearly grave |
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| 02:39.32 | abrotman | okay .. that sounds like a half electrical/hardware problem |
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| 02:40.11 | dvs | debian's fault! |
| 02:42.19 | urz | abrotman, ya, but it crashes if i plug a usb drive too, which is not a hardware problem |
| 02:42.33 | abrotman | you don't know that .. |
| 02:42.35 | urz | and would be rather annoying and not worthy of release in my opinion |
| 02:42.49 | urz | well, i got anothe rdebian laptop |
| 02:42.56 | urz | ill see if it reproduces there |
| 02:44.49 | abrotman | good plan |
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| 02:48.40 | urz | well it doesn't reproduce |
| 02:48.43 | urz | where does that leave me |
| 02:49.09 | urz | the machine is under waranty |
| 02:49.16 | urz | but i dont know how to convince them its defective |
| 02:51.37 | abrotman | urz: you'd start by trying it with another OS .. windows or linux .. see if it causes issues |
| 02:51.46 | abrotman | use a livecd if you need |
| 02:52.18 | urz | trying what |
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| 02:55.58 | nsadmin | urz, did you notice that abrotman didn't respond? maybe that's because you failed to follow your own conversation |
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| 02:56.46 | urz | no, nsadmin, my issue is that my debian/gnome system is crashing. Now we trace it to some hardware issue, and he says try another os. Okay, how do i make gnome crash on windows, sir? |
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| 02:57.25 | urz | it's not going to crash |
| 02:57.35 | urz | in fact, i can remove xserver-xorg-input-tslib and it wont crash in linux |
| 02:57.41 | abrotman | urz: you can try an ubuntu livecd or one oof the other dozens .. but if it's really a hardware problem, it may crash windows also |
| 02:58.17 | urz | if ubuntu has xserver-xorg-input-tslib, sure, probalby ill be able to make ubuntu crash |
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| 02:58.37 | abrotman | so give it a whirl ... |
| 02:58.44 | urz | what does it prove? |
| 02:58.56 | urz | the vender will tell me dont use that |
| 02:58.59 | urz | go use windows |
| 02:59.17 | abrotman | okay .. then don't .. |
| 02:59.31 | rypervenche | That sounds like such an insult. "Go you Windows!" |
| 02:59.35 | rypervenche | err |
| 02:59.40 | rypervenche | "Go use Windows" |
| 02:59.47 | jorgp | lol |
| 02:59.47 | rypervenche | tired :( |
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| 03:12.56 | dspace | Is there a way to make byobu automatically attach if there's just one session, instead of giving me a menu at ssh login? |
| 03:13.09 | urz | maybe i can get a backtrace and coredump of the crash |
| 03:13.30 | urz | how would i go about that? |
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| 03:20.46 | WebDawg | http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/osama-bin-laden-killed/story?id=13505703&page=2 |
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| 03:24.18 | nsadmin | to get a backtrace from gdb you need two files: the executable and the core dump |
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| 03:24.45 | nsadmin | to get a core dump, you would reset limit on size of coredump\ |
| 03:25.17 | nsadmin | and then rerun, which would produce a core dump if it's smaller than limit |
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| 03:38.39 | unforgiven512 | What's the difference between apache-suexec and apache-suexec-custom? I can't really find any useful information via Google. |
| 03:39.05 | aypea[3] | custom allows you to change some compiled-in parameters of suexec. if you don't need to change them, don't use it |
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| 03:42.28 | unforgiven512 | So it's recommended to use apache-suexec (not custom) |
| 03:42.54 | aypea[3] | by default yes. |
| 03:43.03 | nsadmin | why not install both, and read their docs and then uninstall the one you don't want |
| 03:43.06 | aypea[3] | if its default values do not meet your needs, though, install the other. |
| 03:43.11 | unforgiven512 | I just need to have php scripts executed by the user who owns the respective site, for instance, to allow WordPress to update itself. I don't want to chown all the files to www-data. |
| 03:43.45 | nsadmin | why not have separate apache process which run as the user |
| 03:43.53 | t4a | WE GOT OSAMA http://www.whitehouse.gov/live/president-obama-delivers-statement |
| 03:44.01 | nsadmin | then you never need suexec |
| 03:44.12 | nsadmin | t4a, boring. old news. |
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| 04:03.41 | wad | My debian server has a couple of printers on it, shared via SAMBA. Just recently, a netbook running Ubuntu 11.4 is suddenly unable to print. "Authentication required" dialog appears, but no passwords work. The cups logs show errors around encryption: E [01/May/2011:21:26:59 -0600] encrypt_client: Unable to encrypt connection from 192.168.182.27! |
| 04:03.41 | wad | E [01/May/2011:21:26:59 -0600] encrypt_client: A TLS fatal alert has been received. |
| 04:03.53 | wad | Anyone seen anything like this before? |
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| 04:09.49 | itsTOREN | hey is anyone running fluxbox with a dock like awn or cairo? |
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| 04:12.56 | Tiffy | I am running Fluxbox with an old dock called bbdock. |
| 04:13.13 | unforgiven512 | nsadmin: for each user who needs apache? |
| 04:14.06 | itsTOREN | bbdock? haha never heard of it |
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| 04:16.17 | Tiffy | Years old, unmaintained, needs code tweaks to compile now.... but it's still the most simple and lightweight I've come across. |
| 04:16.25 | Tiffy | Works for me anyway. |
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| 04:17.27 | Tiffy | bbdock on right: http://uppix.net/c/c/b/06b3ddaef7b282c0b3f695ead5396.png |
| 04:17.41 | Tiffy | Might be similar, maintained apps that function the same. |
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| 04:20.15 | itsTOREN | looks allright, compiling it now\ |
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| 04:22.08 | nsadmin | unforgiven512, yeah. |
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| 04:39.50 | unforgiven512 | nsadmin: I'm looking into various solutions |
| 04:40.22 | unforgiven512 | Setting up an ideal multi-user environment is quite difficult. I thought it was going to be easy, lol. |
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| 04:41.25 | itsTOREN | whats it all about? |
| 04:41.37 | nsadmin | its about fitz |
| 04:42.04 | nsadmin | and kibbles and bits and bits and bits |
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| 04:43.06 | itsTOREN | doesnt sound very handy |
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| 04:48.41 | paideia | hi I'm trying to use the Tor network with firefox (torbutton plugin) and when I switch it on and I attempt to connect to any website I get "the proxy is refusing connections" error. Then when I check Firefox's Connection Settings I see that it changed to manual proxy configuration 127.0.0.1 8118. What am I doing wrong? I have tor and polipo daemons running and I have saved the polipo rc file into my home folder. |
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| 04:50.27 | itsTOREN | well are u even running tor? or did u just download the button |
| 04:50.37 | itsTOREN | nm |
| 04:51.19 | paideia | itchi, I am running the daemon |
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| 04:51.36 | paideia | itsTOREN, , I am running the daemon |
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| 05:11.42 | moele | so what is the deal with X.org and Xfree86.. |
| 05:11.49 | moele | heh im really not getting why everyones using X.org now |
| 05:12.26 | moele | is it no longer being developed? |
| 05:13.16 | ZykoticK9 | Xfree86 went non-free I believe... i could be very wrong, but I know pretty much every GNU/Linux distro dropped it "awhile" ago |
| 05:13.21 | rww | moele: /msg dpkg xfree86 |
| 05:13.26 | rww | eep, disregard that |
| 05:13.43 | moele | heh |
| 05:13.51 | rww | started replying and then pondered whether dpkg had the answer already and forgot to hit backspace |
| 05:14.00 | moele | ZykoticK9, that isnt what their website says |
| 05:14.03 | moele | website says they are still free |
| 05:14.05 | moele | and open source |
| 05:14.12 | moele | but they havent had an update in nearly 2 years |
| 05:14.29 | ZykoticK9 | moele, ? i'm really not sure about the specifics |
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| 05:16.24 | moele | they adopted |
| 05:16.26 | moele | a license |
| 05:16.34 | moele | that X Org deemed un GNU like |
| 05:16.39 | moele | or gnu-compat |
| 05:16.41 | moele | or something like that |
| 05:16.45 | moele | anyways they seem kinda dead nw :) |
| 05:16.46 | moele | now :) |
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| 05:25.54 | proq | Z |
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| 05:27.08 | proq | does anyone know a good app launcher for gnome? preferably one that lets you type in the name of the app you want to run |
| 05:28.22 | nsadmin | gnome terminal |
| 05:28.39 | ZykoticK9 | nsadmin, good answer ;) |
| 05:28.44 | hardran3 | gmrun |
| 05:28.59 | hardran3 | alt-f2 |
| 05:29.22 | lumistempore | Morning folks, compiling libgpod from source and I need to remove the Debian version. The problem is that apt also wants to remove banshee and a bunch of other things which, due to the nature of my internet connection, I can't re-download. My question is: how can I tell apt to remove libgpod without uninstalling banshee too? Also: after I've installed my build of libgpod, I'll insert an equivs package to keep apt happy; it should be seemless. |
| 05:29.32 | proq | hardran3: thanks |
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| 05:31.19 | nsadmin | lumistempore, compile your thing into a debian package |
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| 05:31.50 | lumistempore | nsadmin: Ahh not a bad idea, thanks mate |
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| 05:33.06 | nsadmin | you could even get the already-debianized source, make your changes and then rebuild |
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| 05:39.10 | proq | nsadmin: switching to gnome terminal just to launch a different app would be more trouble than it's worth, especially if the parent process dies |
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| 05:44.59 | proq | is iceweasel a rewrite of parts of firefox? |
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| 05:46.20 | rww | proq: it's firefox without trademarked Mozilla artwork and with security fixes backported |
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| 05:48.32 | simonlnu | !iceweasel |
| 05:48.32 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
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| 05:59.27 | streuner | simonlnu: whats the meaning of "lnu"? |
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| 06:02.18 | simonlnu | person - "L'nu" |
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| 06:10.08 | tehrabbitt | anyone know where the dmesg and other syslogs are located in wheezy? |
| 06:10.13 | tehrabbitt | I noticed /var/log doesn't show them |
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| 06:10.46 | tehrabbitt | err it's squeeze, sorry |
| 06:10.55 | streuner | tehrabbitt: man dmesg? |
| 06:12.17 | tehrabbitt | streuner, doesn't tell me where the log is being kept though |
| 06:12.32 | tehrabbitt | oh /pro/kmsg? |
| 06:12.46 | tehrabbitt | nope |
| 06:14.09 | streuner | tehrabbitt: /var/log/dmesg sounds interesting |
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| 06:14.41 | gnugr | tehrabbitt: try " dmesg /var/log/syslog " |
| 06:15.52 | tehrabbitt | ah |
| 06:16.15 | tehrabbitt | I was getting splunk installed :-D |
| 06:16.32 | tehrabbitt | thanks :) |
| 06:16.38 | tehrabbitt | i'm heading off to bed now, goodnight |
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| 06:26.04 | kaiyin | what is the best alternative to ms notepad? |
| 06:26.28 | kaiyin | i need a very simple text editor for casual text browsing and editing. |
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| 06:26.55 | streuner | try gedit, its a fine editor, IMO |
| 06:27.01 | kaiyin | I have tried mousepad and leafpad. both disappointed me. |
| 06:27.13 | kaiyin | streuner, it's still heavy. |
| 06:27.31 | streuner | ok, use nano, the default editor of Debian then :-) |
| 06:27.40 | streuner | dpkg, info nano |
| 06:27.51 | kaiyin | is there an gui version nano? |
| 06:28.09 | streuner | i thought you want something very light? :-) |
| 06:28.24 | dpkg | nano: (small, friendly text editor inspired by Pico), section editors, is important. Version: 2.2.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 560 kB, Installed size: 1876 kB |
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| 06:29.34 | kaiyin | yeah. but when i browse something in a file manager, it would be very annoying to have to open a terminal and enter commands when the file is right under mouse cursor. |
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| 06:30.57 | peterS | so let me get this straight ... you want something that has a GUI but is not "heavy". I guess I don't get it. |
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| 06:31.36 | peterS | or maybe I just don't "gedit" |
| 06:31.55 | Tiffy | gvim! |
| 06:31.57 | Tiffy | >_> |
| 06:32.01 | streuner | kaiyin: what kind of WM/DE do you use (if you have GNOME installed, gedit isnt that heavy then..) |
| 06:32.12 | kaiyin | streuner, xfce |
| 06:32.26 | streuner | hm, dont know xfce and what it uses |
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| 06:32.32 | Tiffy | mousepad :P |
| 06:32.57 | Tiffy | Fine as a basic text editor, but not too great for code editing. |
| 06:33.02 | Tiffy | Recommend gvim |
| 06:33.18 | peterS | well, gvim is great, its main problem is that it's a version of vim |
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| 06:33.34 | Tiffy | who on earth would describe that as a "problem?" |
| 06:33.46 | loserbar | Someone who would rather use emacs? |
| 06:33.52 | Tiffy | touche |
| 06:34.17 | loserbar | Although, if you were to use gvim? why wouldnt you just use vim in terminal? |
| 06:34.24 | peterS | well, ok, let me rephrase, the main problem is that its keyboard commands are very similar to those of vi |
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| 06:34.38 | Tiffy | well, the graphical element helps with that issue |
| 06:34.58 | Tiffy | Personally, I wouldn't use gvim over vim but kaiyin seems insistent on having a GUI. |
| 06:35.01 | Tiffy | :P |
| 06:35.10 | peterS | ...and if you need a 'graphical element' to overcome the problem with your keyboard command interface, you've got bigger problems (: |
| 06:35.29 | kaiyin | gvim is my main editor. it's great. but frequent copying and pasting between gvim and other applications is really a pain. |
| 06:35.48 | peterS | yeah copying and pasting is pretty annoying if you don't :set noindent or whatever, right |
| 06:36.22 | nevyn | :set paste |
| 06:36.49 | loserbar | thats valid |
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| 06:37.06 | nevyn | ? |
| 06:37.06 | loserbar | shift+insert can be annoying at times depending on what you're using |
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| 06:37.20 | loserbar | or if you're just used to the mouse |
| 06:37.37 | peterS | and if vim could find it in its little heart to _not_ default to neon technicolor highlighting colors, I think I would dislike it a lot less |
| 06:37.51 | nevyn | :set bg=light |
| 06:38.11 | loserbar | that's in the default configuration for you? |
| 06:38.15 | kaiyin | gvim is better than vim, i think. but that's not the point here. I need a real simple text editor, without many features, which just display the text and let you do basic edits. |
| 06:38.28 | kaiyin | mouse support is crucial of course. |
| 06:38.30 | nevyn | notepad++/scite? |
| 06:38.33 | loserbar | why not just try nano? |
| 06:38.38 | nevyn | gedit? |
| 06:38.43 | nevyn | kwrite? |
| 06:38.54 | loserbar | right gui, sorry. :-/ |
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| 06:39.16 | kaiyin | gedit and kwrite are heavy, takes a long time to start here. |
| 06:39.35 | falcon1620 | I'm sure there is a emacs mode for that :-P |
| 06:39.37 | red2kic | I have to ask. With Gnome2 no longer supported, what is Debian's plans? |
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| 06:39.42 | loserbar | kaylin, i am kinda new on the conversation, but what is your setup? |
| 06:39.56 | kaiyin | xfce |
| 06:39.59 | proq | red2kic: ratpoison hopefully |
| 06:40.00 | streuner | kaiyin: how about a midnight commander clone like mc? |
| 06:40.04 | peterS | sounds like what you want is nano, and a file manager configured to have an 'edit with nano' context menu item that launches an xterm with nano in it |
| 06:40.33 | nevyn | red2kic: gnome3 |
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| 06:41.01 | red2kic | Meh. I don't think I should take everybody here seriously. (But I'm curious about it though). |
| 06:41.02 | kaiyin | loserbar, you mean DE? xfce. |
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| 06:41.34 | nevyn | red2kic: it's debian I'm sure there will be plenty of options to choose from. |
| 06:41.36 | kaiyin | streuner, you mean change file manager? |
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| 06:42.02 | streuner | red2kic: basically i dont see a problem at all, you are able to install ANY DE/WE in Debian... |
| 06:42.23 | streuner | kaiyin: well, mc is light and has a edit function too... |
| 06:42.31 | Arrowmaster | and 4 different DE's are supported from the installer |
| 06:42.47 | streuner | ok, thats enough, isnt it? :-P |
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| 06:43.04 | Arrowmaster | are there any more DEs than that? |
| 06:43.14 | red2kic | Yeah. Many more, I'm sure. |
| 06:43.37 | Arrowmaster | i can only think of one other that would probably qualify as a full DE |
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| 06:44.28 | peterS | kids these days have never even heard of NeWS, CDE (or VUE before it), Xview.... |
| 06:44.48 | kaiyin | streuner, i need copy and paste things between web browser and other apps on a daily basis, that's why I ask for a gui. does mc editor have good mouse support? |
| 06:45.11 | loserbar | kailyn, do you find gedit to be too cumbersome? that should integrate well within xfce |
| 06:45.13 | red2kic | Gnome, XFCE, KDE, Awesome, LXDE. Hmm. What else? |
| 06:45.24 | Arrowmaster | awesome isnt a DE |
| 06:45.27 | loserbar | scrotwm :-) |
| 06:45.36 | red2kic | peterS: Just looked it up. That happen when you're using closed source. Nobody to carry on, I guess. :) |
| 06:45.38 | proq | meh. who needs a DE? |
| 06:45.43 | falcon1620 | PeterS:heard of who? |
| 06:45.52 | GNU\colossus | the ROX project strived to offer a complete desktop environment once |
| 06:46.02 | peterS | red2kic: looked what up? CDE? VUE? NeWS? Xview? |
| 06:46.08 | red2kic | peterS: CDE. |
| 06:46.22 | streuner | proq: well, i think of one person that would solve his problem without headaches :-P |
| 06:46.48 | peterS | yeah that was derived in large part from HP's VUE - CDE was a joint effort between HP, Sun, IBM and Digital. it was ... kind of awful, actually |
| 06:46.56 | streuner | proq: GNOME->NM *hint* |
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| 06:47.39 | streuner | kaiyin: no, mc isnt what you need then |
| 06:48.18 | obiwahn | http://paste.debian.net/115723/ |
| 06:48.22 | kaiyin | nano is lightening fast, but copy and paste is still difficult |
| 06:48.27 | proq | streuner: in the case you're talking about, the problem isn't the DE, the problem is networking that fails for whatever reason outside of gnome's DE |
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| 06:48.40 | obiwahn | hat mein apt was abbekommen? das seht irgendwi seltsam aus |
| 06:48.42 | streuner | kaiyin: well, xfce is GTK based too, why is gedit heavy then? |
| 06:48.53 | streuner | obiwahn: talk english here, please. |
| 06:49.04 | obiwahn | oh sorry |
| 06:49.13 | peterS | streuner: I thought he already answered that. who cares _why_, he just says it takes awhile to start up |
| 06:49.16 | kaiyin | streuner, i don't know, it's just slow. |
| 06:49.44 | streuner | obiwahn: please show us your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 06:49.46 | peterS | I blame Osama bin Laden |
| 06:49.49 | loserbar | kailyn, what is your hardware like? |
| 06:49.53 | obiwahn | the apt error when trying to insta libudev-dev looks kinda strange |
| 06:50.18 | streuner | obiwahn asked us, is apt broken or not |
| 06:50.22 | kaiyin | loserbar, celeron cpu, 2G ram. |
| 06:50.41 | streuner | more than enough, IMO |
| 06:50.49 | loserbar | and you find xfce slow? |
| 06:50.55 | obiwahn | streuner: http://paste.debian.net/115724/ |
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| 06:51.39 | peterS | "celeron CPU" is about as specific as "Ford automobile", actually |
| 06:51.54 | red2kic | Just trying to learn more about Debian. How long until packages moved from unstable --> testing --> stable? |
| 06:51.58 | streuner | sure, but 2GB RAM isnt that bad |
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| 06:52.17 | loserbar | 1g ram on kde isnt that awful... |
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| 06:52.31 | loserbar | on a pentium m at 1.7ghz... |
| 06:52.56 | peterS | red2kic: the amount of time a package takes to move from unstable to testing depends on many factors, such as how buggy it is or isn't, whether it's a high or low priority upload, and whether it builds correctly on about 10 architectures on the first try (and how long it takes to do so) |
| 06:52.56 | streuner | obiwahn: i cannot see an error of your sources.list, what does BTS say about? |
| 06:52.58 | loserbar | i mean celeron is somewhat older but xfce shouldnt be that sluggish... |
| 06:53.28 | red2kic | peterS: What about testing to stable? (I was looking for libreoffice and I see it's in testing). |
| 06:53.29 | peterS | red2kic: nothing "moves to stable" - stable is what you call 'testing' after it has gone through many months of QA |
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| 06:53.47 | Arrowmaster | red2kic: at least 5 days for unstable to testing, generally if nothing blocks it most packages are 5-10 days |
| 06:53.51 | falcon1620 | You kids.... I ran Kde 3.5 on a pentium 133 |
| 06:54.07 | peterS | red2kic: a new 'stable' is produced every couple of years, derived from 'testing'. once it is released, nothing is updated except, pretty much, just security fixes |
| 06:54.12 | nevyn | ran kde1 on a 486 with 36mb of ram |
| 06:54.18 | nevyn | it really didn't work with 20 |
| 06:54.23 | loserbar | falcon1620, you must really like kde or hate yourself then... |
| 06:54.30 | streuner | obiwahn, it works here, did you run "apt-get update" before? |
| 06:54.31 | obiwahn | streuner: do you think i have to reinstall my system? or is it possible to rebuild package information for apt? |
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| 06:54.33 | red2kic | peterS: Is there a number of developers / testers? Something that lets the world know how many people are using [testing] repo (or) [unstable] repo? |
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| 06:54.38 | kaiyin | i also tried to use xfce4-terminal --command nano with thunar context menu. |
| 06:54.38 | falcon1620 | Ohh nice! |
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| 06:54.50 | kaiyin | but it didn't open the file. |
| 06:54.54 | peterS | red2kic: http://popcon.debian.org |
| 06:54.59 | proq | nevyn: is kde really that old? |
| 06:55.05 | obiwahn | streuner: sure i did the update:) |
| 06:55.09 | streuner | obiwahn: good lord, you running sid and got a little problem with apt and asking me this question? |
| 06:55.14 | falcon1620 | loserbar: Naw i just wanted to try it and that was the only PC in my house |
| 06:55.16 | peterS | red2kic: way too many statistics there (: |
| 06:55.17 | proq | nevyn: or were you just installing into old hardware? |
| 06:55.36 | streuner | obiwahn: well, did you install some packages of experimental? |
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| 06:55.45 | loserbar | falcon1620, i've been there :-) |
| 06:55.47 | obiwahn | na not really |
| 06:55.49 | nevyn | proq: it was at a charity recycling hardware. |
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| 06:56.14 | red2kic | peterS: Ah. Thank you. Also, 1.52 (testing/unstable) -- What does 1.52 stands for? |
| 06:56.23 | red2kic | Some kind of snapshots? |
| 06:56.39 | peterS | I have no idea what you're talking about. where do you see this '1.52 (testing/unstable)'? |
| 06:56.49 | red2kic | Oh. popularity-contest versions. |
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| 06:57.03 | red2kic | peterS: Almost at bottom of that link you gave me. |
| 06:57.41 | peterS | red2kic: ah yeah. 'popularity-contest' is a Debian package - with its own software version - 1.52 is current. people who install that package get all their package usage stats sent to that website periodically. |
| 06:57.48 | obiwahn | streuner: i am kind of comforable with sid - but when apt/dpkg would be broken that strikes fear into my heart |
| 06:58.07 | nevyn | proq: in the early naughties |
| 06:58.10 | falcon1620 | loserbar: now I have a soekris thats about the same specs :-P |
| 06:58.13 | loserbar | thats one of the reasons i've never tried sid |
| 06:58.23 | streuner | obiwahn: as we told you before, it installable in sid here |
| 06:58.48 | obiwahn | libudev-dev? |
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| 06:59.07 | obiwahn | but why is apt telling me about cairo-doc? |
| 06:59.13 | streuner | sure, and cairo-dock-tomboy-plugin |
| 06:59.20 | obiwahn | dock |
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| 07:03.23 | obiwahn | streuner: http://paste.debian.net/115726/ that looks really strage i hav removed the cairo-doc stuff |
| 07:03.43 | loserbar | falcon1620, and you're running kde on that? |
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| 07:03.46 | obiwahn | now udev -- complains about gnome stuff |
| 07:04.15 | buhman | that new ca-certificates package in testing seems to have fixed my authentication problems with freenode |
| 07:04.16 | red2kic | peterS: Thanks for the answers. [Going to idle] |
| 07:04.23 | peterS | np |
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| 07:04.58 | falcon1620 | loserbar: Nope, BSD but it's funny that I now have a router with the same specs as a former machine |
| 07:05.43 | loserbar | falcon1620, BSD on a gui? |
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| 07:06.55 | falcon1620 | loserbar: naw it was back in the day whe 3.5 was "new" and I ran it on Debian o nan old generic tower pc |
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| 07:08.17 | falcon1620 | loserbar: that was like my first into to linux actually. I don't think that the soekris would do a good job with Kde considering is has no vga |
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| 07:09.05 | kaiyin | I think i must stay with gedit at the moment. by the way, how can i clean up context menu items in thunar? |
| 07:09.23 | falcon1620 | loserbar: Only comBIOS over serial with some entry level frame buffer commands, good freebsd machine or a m0n0wall |
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| 07:09.48 | loserbar | falcon1620, sounds like you have a router more than a desktop haha, my first experience with linux was with slackware |
| 07:10.26 | loserbar | falcon1620, i had a wlan dongle with a 2.4 kernel, had to recompile from source to 2.6 and ndiswrapper, my learning curve was a brick wall! |
| 07:10.34 | streuner | obiwahn: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say, btw? |
| 07:10.56 | obiwahn | 2.11.2-13 |
| 07:11.17 | streuner | obiwahn: well, its 2.13 in sid atm |
| 07:11.30 | streuner | judd, versions libc6 |
| 07:11.33 | judd | Package libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; sid: 2.11.2-11; wheezy: 2.11.2-11; experimental: 2.13-0exp5 |
| 07:11.54 | streuner | hm, the db isnt up-to-date acutally |
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| 07:12.00 | streuner | actually |
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| 07:13.25 | falcon1620 | loserbar: Yep just pointing out that my current router with an embeded pro is the same specs as the old pc i used to learn linux on |
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| 07:14.29 | streuner | obiwahn: why -13? |
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| 07:14.42 | streuner | obiwahn: i386 used -11 .... |
| 07:15.10 | streuner | obiwahn: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libc6 |
| 07:15.38 | loserbar | falcon1620, haha yeah you dont need much power to learn the *nix ;-) |
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| 07:24.50 | amoe | is there any way to set an environment variable for all currently running processes without rebooting? |
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| 07:27.03 | Kull | rm -rf /bin/laden |
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| 07:27.22 | proq | more like mv |
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| 07:27.40 | proq | amoe: what are you trying to do? |
| 07:27.41 | Kull | mv /bin/laden /dev/null |
| 07:28.38 | amoe | proq: an interpreter needs an environment variable set to tell it where to find libs |
| 07:28.49 | amoe | proq: I don't want to set it every time I ssh in to the machine |
| 07:28.58 | amoe | proq: and I also don't want to restart the machine |
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| 07:29.10 | amoe | proq: and I also don't want to set it in my .profile :p |
| 07:29.17 | ompaul | amoe: only for new processes you can't have one go backwards - so you put is into "/etc/profile" and all logins after that will find it |
| 07:29.18 | amoe | as it is global... |
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| 07:29.45 | ompaul | amoe: and for this session you can "source /etc/profile" which will apply it to the current shell |
| 07:29.50 | amoe | OK, I'm not seeing it in my environment after a fresh ssh login. But maybe SSH is clearing it somehow. |
| 07:30.15 | ompaul | but you can't have it apply "backwards" to anything that is running already |
| 07:30.19 | proq | amoe: you lose it when you lose the session |
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| 07:30.41 | amoe | proq: understood, but I put it in /etc/profile |
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| 07:31.08 | Arrowmaster | did you export it |
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| 07:31.19 | amoe | Arrowmaster: yep |
| 07:32.49 | amoe | I think SSH doesn't read the profile, or something |
| 07:33.06 | amoe | like that http://stackoverflow.com/questions/216202 |
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| 07:34.16 | Arrowmaster | wait are you executing the command like that with ssh or are you logging into the system over ssh getting a shell then running it? |
| 07:35.02 | amoe | Arrowmaster: logging in, getting a shell, then running it. So maybe that question doesn't apply. |
| 07:35.08 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt |
| 07:36.02 | amoe | No idea why profile isn't being read then |
| 07:36.10 | proq | amoe: if you are sshing to a debian system, it should source /etc/profile and $(home)/.bash_profile but not $(home)/.bashrc |
| 07:36.27 | proq | amoe: you can put echo "profile" in the /etc/profile to check |
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| 07:37.07 | amoe | proq: I just tried the echo but no output. I am using zsh so maybe that is affecting it, though it should still read profile afaik |
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| 07:37.17 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 07:37.19 | Arrowmaster | zsh does not |
| 07:37.26 | amoe | really? mmm |
| 07:37.32 | amoe | freaky |
| 07:37.43 | Arrowmaster | put it in /etc/zsh/zshenv |
| 07:37.47 | obiwahn | streuni have installed the libc6 now |
| 07:38.04 | obiwahn | is there a way to to rebuid apts information |
| 07:38.22 | obiwahn | or do i have to reinstall? |
| 07:38.24 | amoe | Arrowmaster: thanks! works perfectly |
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| 07:43.33 | streuner | obiwahn: usually apt-get update is enough |
| 07:46.54 | streuner | obiwahn: it seems a broken depends which caused this (package out of experimental or/and a package which is downloaded third party) |
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| 07:48.00 | obiwahn | streuner: apt does not otice that udev is out of date |
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| 07:48.10 | obiwahn | i see it with apt-show versions |
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| 07:50.38 | streuner | obiwahn: what version of udev do you have installed? |
| 07:50.51 | obiwahn | now it is 186-* |
| 07:51.03 | obiwahn | mom |
| 07:51.08 | streuner | 168-1, thats fine |
| 07:51.18 | obiwahn | udev 168-1 install ok installed |
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| 07:52.01 | obiwahn | now i need to update perl but that will remove the kernel ...:) |
| 07:52.19 | streuner | thats ok :-P |
| 07:52.27 | streuner | i mean the error in sid... |
| 07:52.33 | streuner | i got the same here |
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| 07:52.39 | obiwahn | damn :) probably you are right i i have caused the trouble by palying with exp. |
| 07:52.42 | and | I just woke up and I have no sound all of a sudden. I rebooted, restared X a half doezen times etc. No luck. Just died. I have a system beep that works upon rebooting, which tells me the hardware likely isnt dead. Anyone else? |
| 07:52.58 | and | Suggestions? |
| 07:53.02 | obiwahn | just installed a newer firefox once:) |
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| 07:53.08 | and | Sounds does notw ork in flash, local mp3s ro video |
| 07:53.25 | obiwahn | open the alsamixer and unmute |
| 07:53.36 | obiwahn | or try /etc/init.d/alsa reset |
| 07:53.37 | and | obiwahn: 5 steps ahead of ya, no luck |
| 07:54.23 | and | obiwahn: I would love to buy you a beer. |
| 07:54.30 | obiwahn | streuner: what are the packages that you cannot install atm? |
| 07:54.34 | Vasistha | and: the fact that the system beeps may not actually be such an indication -- the system beep may be coming from a different speaker that is not related to the sound card |
| 07:54.41 | and | /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset <== this |
| 07:54.54 | streuner | obiwahn: perl and stuff, it just remove almost everything here then... |
| 07:55.09 | obiwahn | libfluidsynth1 libgcj-bc libparse-debcontrol-perl libtar-dev perl perl-base perl-doc perl-modules |
| 07:55.16 | obiwahn | that is waht is left here |
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| 07:55.26 | and | Oh jesus, I'd better use my other nick while on here, the user name and is giving me highlight spam. |
| 07:55.35 | obiwahn | this moring there where more than 40 packages:( |
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| 07:55.51 | and | Anyway, thanks obiwahn. Resetting the daemon worked. |
| 07:55.54 | and | Cheers |
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| 07:57.41 | obiwahn | streuner: thank you so much -- libc6 was such a good idea:) |
| 07:58.56 | obiwahn | omfg |
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| 07:59.43 | obiwahn | streuner: i have pinned them .. with apt-list bugs ... |
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| 08:00.46 | kynski | Hello everyone. |
| 08:00.50 | streuner | Dont use pinning :-) |
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| 08:01.15 | obiwahn | :) |
| 08:01.24 | streuner | it should rather sounds pain-ning to me :-P |
| 08:01.46 | kynski | I've got problem. When I start X server I can't neither move the mouse, nor type anything. What's the problem? |
| 08:01.52 | kynski | I use wheezy version. |
| 08:02.09 | obiwahn | take a look in you xorg.log |
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| 08:02.18 | streuner | basically a genius idea, but you get always real headaches... (/msg dpkg bobbitt) |
| 08:02.22 | obiwahn | it is located in /var/log/ |
| 08:02.58 | kynski | obiwahn: There isn't any log... That's the problem. |
| 08:03.32 | kynski | X was started, but I can not find any log file or something like that. |
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| 08:05.19 | kynski | obiwahn: Any idea? |
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| 08:06.35 | streuner | kynski: ls -l Xorg.0.log |
| 08:06.41 | streuner | kynski: ls -l /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 08:11.00 | kynski | streuner: How can I paste it, via console? |
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| 08:11.25 | streuner | kynski: /exec -o ls -l /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 08:11.43 | kynski | streuner: I see the file. |
| 08:11.57 | kynski | But I would like to show you the log. |
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| 08:12.10 | streuner | hm, just install pastebinit |
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| 08:15.29 | kynski | /bin/sh: http://pastebin.com/AVbBrjv1: not found |
| 08:15.38 | kynski | Here you are. |
| 08:15.45 | kynski | The source of Xorg.log. |
| 08:16.04 | kynski | Would you like to see xorg.conf? |
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| 08:17.53 | streuner | its empty |
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| 08:18.17 | streuner | kynski: pastebinit -i <your log file> |
| 08:18.44 | kynski | streuner: I executed: cat Xorg.log | pastebinit |
| 08:19.24 | kynski | http://pastebin.com/fXSjqH1H |
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| 08:21.35 | kynski | streuner: Here you are. |
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| 08:26.45 | streuner | kynski: what kind of mouse/keyboard do you have? |
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| 08:27.32 | doublehp_ | when i do echo plop | lpr, no page comes out; cups does not see any new job; how to make lpr talk to cups ??? |
| 08:27.54 | kynski | streuner: Dell Vostro 3300 - touchpad + keyboard. |
| 08:28.06 | petemc | doublehp_: is the printer set as default in cups? |
| 08:28.18 | streuner | kynski: synaptics driver is installed? |
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| 08:28.30 | doublehp_ | petemc: yes |
| 08:28.49 | doublehp_ | petemc: i said: cups does not see any new job |
| 08:28.51 | kynski | ii xserver-xorg-input-synaptics 1.4.0-1 Synaptics TouchPad driver for X.Org server |
| 08:29.51 | kynski | streuner: As you see. |
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| 08:33.56 | kynski | streuner: Have you got any ideas? |
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| 08:35.18 | nettezzaumana | hi there |
| 08:36.01 | nettezzaumana | how can i print out time gotten as `$current_time - $n_seconds' ? |
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| 08:36.20 | streuner | kynski: no, it should be a bug, IMO |
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| 08:37.16 | streuner | kynski: do you use a xorg.conf at all? |
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| 08:37.42 | streuner | kynski: in that case just mv the conf to /tmp and restart X |
| 08:37.43 | Seb | nettezzaumana: date(1) with -d |
| 08:39.07 | nettezzaumana | Seb: ee. thanks .. but, well .. looking for some example |
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| 08:39.19 | kynski | streuner: Yes. I use it. |
| 08:39.24 | kynski | Would you like to see xorg.conf |
| 08:39.35 | Seb | nettezzaumana: date -d -1day |
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| 08:39.55 | streuner | kynski: it wouldnt hurd, but just do what we told you before |
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| 08:40.40 | nettezzaumana | Seb: thanks man |
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| 08:53.25 | nerrtrow | hello, i'm installing debian 6.0 on my workstation and it asks for a domain name, should i leave it empty or fill in something? |
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| 08:53.36 | project2501b | nerrtrow: are you on a domain? |
| 08:54.20 | project2501b | hey guys, i am trying to use /etc/ethers from dnsmasq. the documentation is not clear about the format. are we talking about comma separated, space separated values? |
| 08:54.24 | nerrtrow | project2501b: it's my home network so i don't think so... but i'm not sure... |
| 08:54.32 | project2501b | leave it blank |
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| 08:54.42 | nerrtrow | okey, thanks! |
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| 09:05.59 | akitada | Hi, I've just finshed install squeeze on my X220. It works good except it failed to detect the monitor. The X220 resolution is 1366x768 but it set to 1024x768. X220 uses Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) |
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| 09:06.55 | akitada | Is there anyone succeeded to get it working? |
| 09:07.04 | nerrtrow | debian-6.0.1a-amd64-netinst.iso, what the "a" means in 6.0.1a? |
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| 09:08.56 | project2501b | nerrtrow: first try |
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| 09:09.35 | akitada | nerrtrow: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/ |
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| 09:10.18 | nerrtrow | oh, okey! thx |
| 09:10.34 | MariusKarthaus | Does any know if os-prober can hurt filesystems that are mounted by a virtual machine. If the os-prober actually mounts the partition the mount may replay the journal on the filesystem while a virtual machine is active, effectively destroying the filesystem integrety |
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| 09:12.22 | nerrtrow | one more question, is it possible to install debian 6.0 from a usb stick? should it work with unetbootin or is there a better way to do it? |
| 09:13.19 | akitada | nerrtrow: A USB stick w/ netinst.iso worked for me. |
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| 09:14.02 | ansgar | nerrtrow: It's documented in the release notes as far as I remember. |
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| 09:14.30 | nerrtrow | akitada: but how did you make the USB stick bootable? |
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| 09:15.02 | gnugr | !usb install nerrtrow |
| 09:15.16 | gnugr | !usb install |
| 09:15.16 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 09:19.42 | lapsusbrutus | what packages should I use for nessus+nessusd? Would harden-remoteaudit do the same thing? anyone have hints/suggestions for nessus on debian? |
| 09:20.37 | MariusKarthaus | F*#K grub2 on a debian system in fact destroys filesystems by calling os-prober on partitions that are in use by active virtual machines |
| 09:20.51 | MariusKarthaus | this si *VERY* bad |
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| 09:22.41 | sekt0r | hello guys, can anybody tell me if it is possible to use getmail behind a proxy |
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| 09:28.12 | tvm | depends on the exact definition of 'proxy' and actual network setup |
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| 09:30.22 | lapsusbrutus | tvm portmapping would be a possible solution for sekt0r? Is portmapping safe to use for things like that? |
| 09:30.45 | sekt0r | the proxy is an http proxy |
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| 09:31.15 | moele | any alternatives to the mesa opengl library/ |
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| 09:33.28 | tvm | lapsusbrutus: portmapping as in 'port forwarding' ? |
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| 09:34.32 | tvm | sekt0r: you can encapsulate POP3 in the HTTP, but that would require another endpoint that would 'decipher' the encapsulated packets |
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| 09:35.48 | kynski | Hello everyone. I have got still my problem with X server. |
| 09:36.01 | kynski | I start it, but I can't move mouse nor keyboard. |
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| 09:36.48 | sekt0r | tvm: what do you mean by encapsulate POP3 in HTTP? |
| 09:37.22 | nsadmin | "/me" is not what you think |
| 09:37.30 | fenugreek | kynski: can you switch to a TTY? |
| 09:37.40 | kynski | fenugreek: No, I can't. |
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| 09:37.56 | fenugreek | kynski: try hitting CTRL+ALT+PrtScrn+k |
| 09:37.56 | tvm | sekt0r: to use something like httptunnel |
| 09:38.25 | nsadmin | fenugreek, then what do you do to stop it once you've tried to start it |
| 09:38.28 | kynski | fenugreek: What does it do? This combination? |
| 09:38.38 | sekt0r | tvm: ok, thanks! |
| 09:38.50 | nsadmin | "/me" is not what you think |
| 09:38.51 | ttiicc | will Spice be available in debian too or is it only for rehl users? |
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| 09:39.06 | fenugreek | kynski: it either gets you out of your frozen X, or it doesn't |
| 09:39.14 | silidan | when i try to compile qastrocam-g2 i get the following error: /usr/share/qt3/include/qvaluelist.h:91:13: error: âptrdiff_tâ does not name a type the source of qastrocam-g2 hasent been changed for quite some time and it suddenly stopped compiling, probably after an update (debian sid) any ideas how i could work around? |
| 09:39.18 | fenugreek | nsadmin: hrmm? |
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| 09:39.37 | nsadmin | if you want spice (berkeley spice right?) you'll have to find working source and build |
| 09:39.48 | kynski | fenugreek: And have you got any idea, how can I repair it? |
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| 09:40.12 | kynski | fenugreek: It works. I can get to TTY, when X server is frozen. |
| 09:40.46 | fenugreek | kynski: with or without the shortcut I gave you? |
| 09:40.58 | nsadmin | so your x server is not actually frozen maybe |
| 09:41.19 | kynski | fenugreek: I have to use this shortcut. |
| 09:41.34 | fenugreek | kynski: okay |
| 09:41.52 | nsadmin | so ctrl-alt-backspace does not work? |
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| 09:41.58 | fenugreek | kynski: X -version says? |
| 09:42.17 | ttiicc | but will spice be available as a package for apt in the near future or lets say debian 7? |
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| 09:42.47 | ttiicc | what's the codename for debian 7? |
| 09:42.47 | nsadmin | probably that depends on its license |
| 09:42.58 | fenugreek | ttiicc: superawesomemega |
| 09:43.13 | nsadmin | fugupoisonfish |
| 09:43.14 | ttiicc | ok lets see what redhat does with it |
| 09:43.16 | fenugreek | ttiicc: if it's useful at all, I'd be surprised if there aren't debs for it _somewhere_ |
| 09:43.21 | fenugreek | nsadmin: nice |
| 09:44.29 | nsadmin | spice can be quite useful to those who have studied elec engr |
| 09:44.39 | kynski | fenugreek: 1.9.5 |
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| 09:45.04 | nsadmin | , versions xserver-xorg |
| 09:45.05 | judd | Package xserver-xorg on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.3+20; squeeze: 1:7.5+8; sid: 1:7.6+6; wheezy: 1:7.6+6 |
| 09:45.41 | ttiicc | FYI codename for debian 7 will be: wheezy |
| 09:45.48 | nsadmin | kynski, how did you get that version? |
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| 09:45.54 | fenugreek | not such useful info =P |
| 09:45.55 | AlexC_ | g'morning |
| 09:46.02 | fenugreek | nsadmin: the packages have different versions |
| 09:46.03 | kynski | nsadmin: Repository. |
| 09:46.16 | Iridos | ttiicc, wheezy |
| 09:46.22 | fenugreek | I don't think stable is using 1.9.5, though... |
| 09:46.26 | Iridos | ha, late |
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| 09:46.34 | fenugreek | kynski: you're not using stable, are you? |
| 09:46.41 | nsadmin | kynski: dpkg -s xserver-xorg | grep Version |
| 09:46.41 | AlexC_ | I have EXIM installed and configured so that I can send emails out to other email servers on the Internet, and to send email to local users. However, in /var/log/exim4/mainlog I am getting: R=local_user T=mail_spool defer (13): Permission denied: failed to chdir to /home/foobar |
| 09:46.43 | kynski | fenugreek: wheezy |
| 09:46.46 | nsadmin | should be one line |
| 09:46.53 | _ke | i used the following trick on lenny to remote copy files not owned by me: ssh example.org sudo -v; rsync -La -e "ssh" --rsync-path="sudo rsync" example.org:/var/mail foobar; on squeeze though this won't work anymore: sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified. any idea what i could do? (except changing tty_ticket in sudoers) |
| 09:47.11 | kynski | Version: 1:7.6+6 |
| 09:47.34 | nsadmin | so you're running sid? |
| 09:47.42 | kynski | nsadmin: No, it's wheezy. |
| 09:48.04 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 09:48.18 | nsadmin | have you read thru the X log? |
| 09:48.35 | Iridos | AlexC_, then exim's running as a regular user and you haven't set a+x on /home/foobar |
| 09:48.37 | streuner | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/fXSjqH1H |
| 09:48.47 | nsadmin | that's his x log? |
| 09:48.52 | streuner | yes |
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| 09:49.10 | nsadmin | anything interesting in there? |
| 09:49.12 | kynski | streuner: I've the new one, if you want to. |
| 09:49.31 | kynski | http://pastebin.com/MemqHz9T |
| 09:49.34 | kynski | Here is the new. |
| 09:49.40 | streuner | kynski: so you moved xorg.conf to /tmp and restarted X? |
| 09:49.53 | AlexC_ | Iridos: trouble is I don't want a+x on /home/foobar. I have home directories setup as 0750 to stop people peeping |
| 09:49.59 | nsadmin | streuner can you "upload" the playbyplay so far? |
| 09:50.24 | kynski | No. The users from debian-pl told me to create new fole in xorg.conf.d |
| 09:50.30 | kynski | 10-evdev.conf |
| 09:50.40 | kynski | And write Inpute Sections there. |
| 09:50.49 | kynski | But I do not think I would be better. |
| 09:50.57 | AlexC_ | Iridos: but I guess my question is; why is exim trying to even access the users home directory? I've configured it do put mail in /var/mail |
| 09:51.02 | AlexC_ | s/do/to |
| 09:51.35 | kynski | I really don't know what's going on. |
| 09:51.45 | fenugreek | kynski: you might have to, but you might not |
| 09:52.04 | fenugreek | your X log suggests you're missing important driver support |
| 09:52.12 | fenugreek | and/or you're using ai/glx without having support for it |
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| 09:52.25 | streuner | nsadmin: done. |
| 09:52.26 | kynski | fenugreek: See that one: |
| 09:52.32 | kynski | http://pastebin.com/csfT5VM0 |
| 09:52.36 | kynski | I installed some drivers. |
| 09:52.46 | kynski | But it still doesn't work. |
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| 09:53.35 | nsadmin | streuner, thanks |
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| 09:54.59 | kynski | fenugreek: Have you got any ideas? |
| 09:55.07 | gnugr | !xorg config |
| 09:55.07 | dpkg | From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config squeeze> <xorg config lenny>. |
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| 09:55.42 | fenugreek | kynski: the lines including EE are what matter |
| 09:56.00 | fenugreek | which you seem to have address |
| 09:56.10 | fenugreek | all that's left now, probably, is your config |
| 09:56.14 | kynski | I haven't seen there any lines with EE. |
| 09:56.17 | fenugreek | you might be missing an important udev package or config |
| 09:56.32 | kynski | Would you like to see my xorg.conf? |
| 09:56.50 | cusco_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:58.19 | kynski | cusco_: So? |
| 09:58.52 | fenugreek | kynski: did you try without a xorg.conf yet as streuner suggested? |
| 09:59.00 | cusco_ | Im reading upwards in this ocnversation |
| 09:59.43 | nsadmin | if it's like mine the touchpad needs imps2 driver |
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| 10:08.14 | feAR` | Hi, guys, i'm doing a fresh install of debian, and trying to setup raid1 and LVM |
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| 10:08.42 | feAR` | i created LVM partitions, formated as EXT4 |
| 10:08.46 | feAR` | but can't install grub |
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| 10:09.24 | feAR` | it just says installed, but it doesn't boot. |
| 10:09.56 | satish_ | i need to install arm-linux gcc toolchain .. can anyone help me ? |
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| 10:10.06 | feAR` | grub.cfg is correct, it loads lvm and raid modules... what else i forgot to do? |
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| 10:11.19 | satish_ | i need to installl arm-linux-gcc toolchain could anybody please help me regarding this? |
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| 10:12.32 | dawud | feAR`: did you install grub on both devices? |
| 10:12.48 | feAR` | yes, i did |
| 10:12.52 | feAR` | on sda and sdb |
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| 10:14.35 | dawud | feAR`: fwiw, I use a separated partition for /boot (also in raid) and avoid lvm for it, tho i think grub2 should be able to boot correctly from /boot on lvm... |
| 10:15.19 | feAR` | yep |
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| 10:15.26 | feAR` | good idea |
| 10:15.33 | feAR` | but already made LVM setup |
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| 10:19.22 | dawud | feAR`: looks like #550083 |
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| 10:21.47 | feAR` | dawud, grub simply doesn't boot on boot |
| 10:21.48 | feAR` | :D |
| 10:22.18 | feAR` | thats the problem |
| 10:22.23 | dawud | feAR`: you mean you don't even get to see grub? |
| 10:22.27 | nsadmin | so /boot is not in lvm? |
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| 10:22.46 | feAR` | dawud, yes |
| 10:22.56 | _ke | i used the following trick on lenny to remote copy files not owned by me: ssh example.org sudo -v; rsync -La -e "ssh" --rsync-path="sudo rsync" example.org:/var/mail foobar; on squeeze though this won't work anymore: sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified. any idea what i could do? (except changing tty_ticket in sudoers) |
| 10:23.02 | feAR` | :) /boot is on lvm |
| 10:23.24 | feAR` | i tried to install grub on both devices (sda and sdb) (raid1 device is called /dev/md125 |
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| 10:23.45 | feAR` | actually, i didnt separate /boot from / |
| 10:23.46 | feAR` | ;/ |
| 10:23.57 | nsadmin | how many pvs? |
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| 10:24.05 | prem | hi all |
| 10:24.14 | fenugreek | hi |
| 10:24.19 | prem | is it possible to add a cron task generic toa ll user..? |
| 10:24.25 | dawud | feAR`: are you reinstalling or are those brand new disks? I ask because they might have old mbrs messing around |
| 10:24.27 | feAR` | nsadmin, /; /home, /srv |
| 10:24.42 | nsadmin | those are pvs? or lvs? |
| 10:24.50 | prem | such that the task should run as root irrespective of the user.. |
| 10:25.05 | prem | any such possibility is there..? |
| 10:25.10 | feAR` | ohs |
| 10:25.17 | feAR` | two pvs |
| 10:25.21 | dawud | nsadmin: none of them, those are mount points |
| 10:25.35 | nsadmin | that part is understood |
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| 10:25.45 | nsadmin | so you have a pv per drive? |
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| 10:26.47 | feAR` | sorry, my fault, i have only 1 PV for both drives, and logical volumes in it |
| 10:26.53 | dawud | nsadmin: it's raid1, his PV includes two devices (sda and sdb) |
| 10:26.54 | feAR` | like /home, /srv, /root |
| 10:27.00 | feAR` | yes, exactly |
| 10:27.23 | nsadmin | so it's one pv on the raid and the raid covers both drives? |
| 10:27.27 | dawud | iow, pv is mdX |
| 10:27.30 | feAR` | and i can't make grub2 working on it. I tried to install on both devices /dev/sda, /dev/sdb |
| 10:27.46 | feAR` | nsadmin, yes |
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| 10:28.06 | nsadmin | you just tried to install on this setup? |
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| 10:29.11 | feAR` | it installed, and says succefully installed, but it doesn't boot |
| 10:29.22 | feAR` | strange. :) |
| 10:29.30 | feAR` | Bios is OK, first boot device is hard disk |
| 10:29.36 | nsadmin | ok, so are you open to trying a few different possibilities? |
| 10:29.38 | dawud | feAR`: the uuid in grub.cfg for root device points to the device holding the grub, i.e. mdX, not the raw disks underneath |
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| 10:30.09 | nsadmin | for example... |
| 10:30.28 | dawud | feAR`: blkid your mdX and compare |
| 10:30.38 | nsadmin | can you blow away the raid, and partition the drives so there's a bit of space at the beginning of each? |
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| 10:31.08 | feAR` | ups, sorry |
| 10:31.13 | feAR` | hm, what do you mean? |
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| 10:31.30 | feAR` | to make separate /boot partition? |
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| 10:31.39 | nsadmin | have a little partition that's outside of any raid or lvm for /boot or maybe / |
| 10:31.42 | dawud | feAR`: nsadmin probably wants to dedicate a partition for your /boot |
| 10:31.52 | dawud | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:32.02 | feAR` | also, i noticed that in grub.cfg it insmods ext2, not ext4 (all my partitions are ext4) |
| 10:32.13 | feAR` | hm, so basically, i need to reinstall everythin |
| 10:32.15 | nsadmin | not "I want you to", but "I want to see if you're open to that" |
| 10:32.28 | feAR` | I'm open to all solutions if it just works |
| 10:32.36 | dawud | nsadmin: fair enough, my bad |
| 10:32.39 | feAR` | also i need to have raid1 :) |
| 10:33.04 | nsadmin | how large are the drives?> |
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| 10:33.13 | feAR` | 2x500gb |
| 10:33.23 | nsadmin | raid1 is mirror? |
| 10:33.26 | feAR` | and mainly i will run openvz and virtualbox inside |
| 10:33.27 | feAR` | yes |
| 10:34.33 | nsadmin | howbout you partition both drives so there is a 500mb partition and a 499.5gb partition |
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| 10:34.59 | feAR` | Ok, i can make it |
| 10:35.08 | feAR` | and 499.5 is on LVM |
| 10:35.11 | nsadmin | then you could use one of them (probably sda1) for /boot |
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| 10:35.23 | nsadmin | right |
| 10:35.25 | feAR` | hmmm, so whhat about raid1 then? |
| 10:35.32 | feAR` | i mirror it |
| 10:35.45 | nsadmin | you'd raid1 sda2 and sdb2 |
| 10:35.54 | feAR` | hmmmmmmm |
| 10:35.59 | dawud | you will have two md devices, one hold /boot the other your pv->lvs |
| 10:36.35 | nsadmin | and sda1 and sdb1 would be two 500mb partitions, you'd use one for /boot and the other for whatever :) |
| 10:36.42 | feAR` | yes |
| 10:36.48 | feAR` | ok, i'll try to reinstall and setup like this |
| 10:37.04 | nsadmin | you should find it much easier to get it workign |
| 10:37.43 | nsadmin | even if you have to install a tiny debian on just sda1, reboot into it, then establish the raid |
| 10:37.47 | dawud | nsadmin: why not having sda1 and sdb1 also in raid1? |
| 10:37.52 | nsadmin | then copy the partitions out |
| 10:38.17 | nsadmin | well the whole point is to have a nonraid partition for /boot |
| 10:38.31 | dawud | why? |
| 10:38.43 | nsadmin | easier to get it all workign |
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| 10:39.09 | dawud | fwiw, i have such setup working 0 problems til now |
| 10:39.44 | dawud | i see no pint in losing redundancy for /boot |
| 10:39.51 | dawud | *point |
| 10:39.52 | nsadmin | see I'm also avoiding diagnosing a problem that could just be ignored |
| 10:40.59 | nsadmin | I have no idea what the problem is |
| 10:41.12 | feAR` | hm, guys |
| 10:41.18 | nsadmin | so all I'm saying is "this might work, try if you want" |
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| 10:41.41 | dawud | ok, i get that. |
| 10:42.16 | nsadmin | who knows, you might be able to switch the sdX1s to raid later |
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| 10:42.55 | dawud | surely, just copy the data over and create the device |
| 10:43.37 | nsadmin | exactly... but how to get back if it fails... if we don't know yet what the problem actually is, this lack of knowledge makes the attempt dangerous |
| 10:44.37 | dawud | I'd check if the uuid of the root device in grub.cfg matches blkid of mdX |
| 10:44.52 | feAR` | Ok, guys |
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| 10:44.53 | nsadmin | you're sacrificing a gig of diskspace for the time it would have taken to determine the problem :) |
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| 10:45.09 | feAR` | i'm having partitioning window, two 500gb hdd |
| 10:45.17 | feAR` | so first of all, i create two raid devices |
| 10:45.28 | feAR` | i mean MD devices |
| 10:45.49 | nsadmin | I would create the tiny partitions first, so they end up at the beginning of the drive |
| 10:45.52 | feAR` | no.. |
| 10:45.56 | feAR` | ok |
| 10:46.12 | dawud | if you already have two partitions on each disks, yes, and nsadmin is right on that |
| 10:46.17 | feAR` | so, first of all, create a 500mb partition on each disk |
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| 10:46.40 | nsadmin | right, after blowing away the existing partitions |
| 10:47.15 | nsadmin | you could use the other 500mb for swap... |
| 10:47.37 | dawud | haha you don't give up easily |
| 10:47.51 | nsadmin | then "sacrifice" would be a strong word:) |
| 10:47.51 | dawud | :) |
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| 10:48.25 | feAR` | :) |
| 10:48.50 | nsadmin | or have it as an unmounted data partition you hide your scanned copy of your little sister's diary :) |
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| 10:49.26 | nsadmin | no don't do that, that's too mean |
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| 10:49.38 | _ke | i used the following trick on lenny to remote copy files not owned by me: ssh example.org sudo -v; rsync -La -e "ssh" --rsync-path="sudo rsync" example.org:/var/mail foobar; on squeeze though this won't work anymore: sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified. any idea what i could do? (except changing tty_ticket in sudoers) |
| 10:50.00 | feAR` | ok, i made like this: one primary, /boot ext2 partition (500mb), rest of the space - LVM. Same on each disk |
| 10:50.10 | fenugreek | _ke: you could chown them |
| 10:50.20 | _ke | fenugreek, unfortunately not possible |
| 10:50.26 | nsadmin | or, rest of the space raid physical volume |
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| 10:50.47 | nsadmin | you want mirroring? |
| 10:51.08 | feAR` | and two md devices, each having /boot ext2 and LVM :) |
| 10:51.12 | feAR` | yes, i want mirroring |
| 10:51.13 | dawud | exactly. the steps go: 1. raid, 2. pv, 3. lvs |
| 10:51.27 | dawud | 4. fs |
| 10:51.48 | dawud | 2.5 vgs haha |
| 10:51.57 | nsadmin | right, you make the two big partitions "raid physical volume" then you make the raid |
| 10:52.16 | nsadmin | then you put one lvm physical volume on the one raid |
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| 10:53.15 | nsadmin | then you add the one physical volume to a volume group |
| 10:53.27 | nsadmin | then you allocate LVs from the VG |
| 10:54.08 | obiwahn | streuner: didn't know that linux-image depends on perl-base ^^ |
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| 10:54.32 | obiwahn | but they seem to need it for the uuid s |
| 10:54.49 | feAR` | ok, trying |
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| 10:56.33 | pyro_ | hm, my jre segfaults after some time when running eclipse |
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| 10:59.09 | feAR` | ok, created Volume group on /dev/md1 (/dev/md0 is /boot, ext3 partitions), and 4 logical volumes (root, home, data, swap). |
| 10:59.12 | feAR` | correct. |
| 10:59.18 | feAR` | ? :) |
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| 11:00.24 | dawud | looks good to me, you can always create aditional lvs on demand afterwards (if you left some free space) |
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| 11:00.54 | nsadmin | and sda1 is /boot |
| 11:01.13 | dawud | nsadmin: nope, md0 is boot |
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| 11:01.35 | dawud | i won :-DDDD |
| 11:02.05 | feAR` | fuckin' build |
| 11:02.05 | feAR` | :D |
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| 11:02.21 | nsadmin | you won if it works :) |
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| 11:02.47 | nsadmin | actually he won |
| 11:02.59 | feAR` | heh |
| 11:03.03 | dawud | ah, well, yeah. but i'm confident it will *crosses fingers* |
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| 11:03.41 | feAR` | the thing is, that if i created a raid device for /boot partitions |
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| 11:03.51 | nsadmin | I win by default, because I get to eat prawn bryani while watching this :P |
| 11:03.52 | feAR` | it wont work |
| 11:04.03 | dawud | lol |
| 11:04.16 | dawud | feAR`: why? |
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| 11:06.15 | joey_ | when i safe remove usb drivers, sometime nautilus carch , how can i fix it |
| 11:06.43 | joey_ | i'm in debian 6.01 |
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| 11:10.28 | StefandeVries | If I try to install xorg after installing CLI-only Debian, I get all available drivers along with it. How can this be avoided? |
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| 11:12.06 | abrotman | StefandeVries: do you have some reason you don't want them? they're not that large |
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| 11:12.38 | StefandeVries | abrotman: I want to get this system as light as possible in every way; HDD, RAM and CPU-usage |
| 11:12.40 | obiwahn | StefandeVries: install xserver-xorg-core instead |
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| 11:12.53 | feAR` | ;/ |
| 11:13.00 | obiwahn | taht does nocht depend on video and input all |
| 11:13.08 | abrotman | StefandeVries: the drivers only get loaded if they're used .. and not using the 'xorg' package usually leads to problems |
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| 11:13.11 | obiwahn | that does not ... |
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| 11:13.45 | StefandeVries | physical input won't happen; using SSH for that. |
| 11:13.54 | abrotman | then why install X at all? |
| 11:14.06 | obiwahn | ^^ |
| 11:14.36 | StefandeVries | it is to be used as a photo frame, with pictures transferred to it via SSH |
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| 11:14.51 | StefandeVries | And feh does require X, if I'm well informed |
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| 11:15.07 | StefandeVries | for as far I've been informed well* |
| 11:15.12 | Bushmills | StefandeVries: don't install xserver-xorg-video-all. install xserver-xorg-video-<your-video-controller> instead. also, don't install any meta package depending on xserver-xorg-video-all |
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| 11:16.27 | Bushmills | StefandeVries: there is fbi, and zgv. also links2, they all can display pictures without X |
| 11:16.47 | StefandeVries | Bushmills: tahnks for that, that seems useful (: |
| 11:17.02 | Bushmills | actually, fbi can also show pics without X |
| 11:17.47 | Bushmills | i.e. X not needed at all |
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| 11:18.35 | Bushmills | oh. was on that list already :) |
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| 11:21.20 | Reborn[Ru] | пÑивеÑÑ Ð²Ñем |
| 11:21.31 | ompaul | !ru |
| 11:21.31 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian or use English here. |
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| 11:21.44 | Reborn[Ru] | thx |
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| 11:29.51 | StefandeVries | Bushmills: I've installed xserver-xorg-video-intel and xinit. all works now. thank you (: |
| 11:30.09 | cretsiah | any1 know about "packard bell" systems 300mhz cpu, its not being very nice, trying to install lenny, |
| 11:30.25 | soa2ii | Hej, what does rsyslogd: [origin software="rsyslogd" swVersion="4.6.4" x-pid="15614" x-info="http://www.rsyslog.com"] rsyslogd was HUPed, type 'lightweight'. excatly in my syslog mean? |
| 11:31.58 | _ke | i used the following trick on lenny to remote copy files not owned by me: ssh example.org sudo -v; rsync -La -e "ssh" --rsync-path="sudo rsync" example.org:/var/mail foobar; on squeeze though this won't work anymore: sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified. any idea what i could do? (except changing tty_ticket in sudoers) |
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| 11:32.53 | nsadmin | soa2ii: find out what it means to HUP something, how you do it and what happens when you HUP syslogd |
| 11:32.59 | nsadmin | err rsyslogd |
| 11:34.15 | feAR` | nsadmin, it worked |
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| 11:34.22 | nsadmin | good :) |
| 11:34.29 | nsadmin | enjoy |
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| 11:35.33 | feAR` | thank you guys :) |
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| 11:37.49 | unomi | Hi, I am trying to find out how to speed up some tests which are doing a fair bit of 'frivolous' writing |
| 11:38.17 | unomi | I can see the processes in iotop, but I am wondering if I can dig deeper to see which dirs / files are being written to? |
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| 11:38.51 | nsadmin | write your own tests which log |
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| 11:40.33 | unomi | ah if only I had the time to do that |
| 11:40.47 | unomi | these are rails rspec tests |
| 11:41.41 | nsadmin | ok, can't write new tests? read existing test |
| 11:41.42 | nsadmin | s |
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| 11:42.05 | unomi | you could just tell me that you didn't know how to see which files are being written to |
| 11:43.01 | nsadmin | why would I do that if I have an insight into what you can do to accomplish your purpose? |
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| 11:44.10 | unomi | why would you admit ignorance when you can shift focus indeed |
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| 11:44.29 | unomi | being able to see exactly which files are involved would solve my issue |
| 11:44.36 | nsadmin | you don't want to accomplish your stated purpose? |
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| 11:44.41 | themill | enough, guys |
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| 11:45.59 | nsadmin | unomi, if you want to do that, it's a good possibility that (a) you can locate places in the code which open files for writing, and/or (b) turn on already existing loggind features present in rails |
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| 11:48.42 | unomi | I agree that I could put in logging which laboriously outputs a list of files that it knows of, I might even hook into ruby file IO methods - but I find it much more useful to be able to have a general solution for similar issues in the future. Being able to see which files are being written to at any given moment in time on your server seem a pretty fundamental skill for an admin to have |
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| 11:49.30 | Bushmills | unomi: is the directory where files are written to known? |
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| 11:50.22 | unomi | not the specific dir, not for sure |
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| 11:51.05 | Bushmills | incrontab may be helpful. add a line to catch any file/dir event, and append the name of the triggering file to a log |
| 11:51.22 | unomi | I could find files with a timestamp since a certain time |
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| 11:51.44 | nsadmin | what if you wrote a kernel module which collects all sectors written, then wrote out a log containing the sector, or more scalably, hundreds/thousands thereof) and look up what file/dir they belong to |
| 11:52.03 | unomi | just seems odd that there aren't tools as with ports |
| 11:52.17 | nsadmin | like what? |
| 11:52.20 | npoektop | hi! i've just set NAT up. I want to drop any connection from outside. I used this tutorial: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/summary.html There is explanation for every line but the very last. What is this line for: "iptables -A FORWARD -i ppp0 -o ppp0 -j REJECT"? |
| 11:52.29 | nsadmin | maybe you can port some or all of those tools |
| 11:52.38 | abrotman | npoektop: you probably would do better to ask #netfitler |
| 11:52.40 | abrotman | #netfilter |
| 11:53.07 | unomi | nsadmin, netstat? |
| 11:53.23 | nsadmin | netstat is already in linux |
| 11:53.35 | nsadmin | but that doesn't do anything with disk i/o |
| 11:53.47 | abrotman | there are tools to monitor disk io ? |
| 11:53.49 | unomi | npoektop, it means that it won't let someone else use you as a proxy as near as I can tell |
| 11:54.15 | unomi | nsadmin, you need to lay off the weed or start on it |
| 11:54.24 | abrotman | judd: info fspy --release squeeze |
| 11:54.26 | judd | Package fspy (misc, optional) in squeeze/i386: filesystem activity monitoring tool. Version: 0.1.1-1; Size: 14.1k; Installed: 72k; Homepage: http://mytty.org/fspy |
| 11:54.29 | nsadmin | start on the weed? |
| 11:55.04 | abrotman | or use something like zeitgeist |
| 11:55.25 | unomi | I know that netstat isn't for disk i/o, that should be clear from the context, it was an answer to your query regarding ports |
| 11:55.51 | unomi | thanks abrotman |
| 11:55.53 | abrotman | suggests unomi and nsadmin just /ignore each other ... |
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| 11:56.40 | nsadmin | unomi, the thing is there may very well be these tools which exist outside of linux... they may or may not be great. there is a chance that building those tools is as simple as typing make... the harsh reality is you are the one with the interest and so you are the one who would have to expend effort |
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| 11:57.11 | unomi | wow. |
| 11:57.12 | abrotman | nsadmin: please just ignore him .. |
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| 11:57.26 | themill | nsadmin: you might do better to stop digging yourself into deeper holes of obvious ignorance |
| 11:57.32 | abrotman | nsadmin: you're not helping the crappy situation you've created ... |
| 11:58.45 | nsadmin | I haven't created anything. I am speaking the truth: if he wants tools, he should stop whining about their lack of existance and do something about it |
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| 11:59.05 | abrotman | nsadmin: you never learn ... |
| 11:59.40 | dawud | I'm building a 2.6.38.4 kernel for my i5. what would be the best choice for Processor Family? Core 2/newer Xeon? |
| 12:00.17 | abrotman | dawud: sounds fine |
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| 12:00.45 | dawud | abrotman: ok, thanks |
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| 12:21.21 | frikinz | Hi. Small question: if I modify something in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ , its taken into account automatically or anything needed? /sys has sysctl but not sure about /proc |
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| 12:22.35 | Shadur | It is, yes. |
| 12:23.30 | frikinz | Shadur: thanks |
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| 12:31.30 | boudiccas | what is ....... nepomukservices ........ please? its showing about four times in top and i've never seen it before |
| 12:31.35 | H2S04 | I installed some custom bitmap fonts in ~/.fonts and everything seems to work except the x path. I added the absolute path of my ~/.fonts to xorg.conf and nothing seems to have changed. |
| 12:31.57 | H2S04 | I can select the fonts through the GUI of an application, but they do not show up in xlsfonts, or xfontsel |
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| 12:32.14 | H2S04 | and I am unable to use them with any terminals. |
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| 12:35.51 | Holborn | H2S04: see your /etc/fonts/conf.d for the usage of the bitmap fonts entries (something like 70-yes-bitmaps.conf) |
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| 12:36.06 | H2S04 | Holborn, already done. |
| 12:36.09 | H2S04 | Holborn, not the problem. |
| 12:36.24 | Holborn | ops .. then I dont know sorry |
| 12:36.34 | H2S04 | I can use the fonts. |
| 12:36.39 | H2S04 | Just not with a term |
| 12:37.02 | H2S04 | I don't really understand... |
| 12:37.09 | H2S04 | it's something with the X11 font path |
| 12:37.18 | H2S04 | I'vet tried xset +fp $PATH |
| 12:37.25 | H2S04 | and xset fp rehash |
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| 12:38.23 | Holborn | ummh try to add the path in the xorg.conf Section Files FontPath "....." |
| 12:38.32 | H2S04 | already did. |
| 12:38.33 | H2S04 | :P |
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| 12:39.04 | Holborn | have you try with another term? ... rxvt is good to load fonts :-) |
| 12:39.20 | H2S04 | I use rxvt |
| 12:39.24 | H2S04 | haha |
| 12:39.36 | H2S04 | it doesn't work with any term. |
| 12:39.48 | djura-san | o/ |
| 12:39.48 | H2S04 | but for example I can use it with Gvim, firefox, $WHATEVER |
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| 12:40.53 | H2S04 | fc-list | grep $FONT |
| 12:40.57 | H2S04 | shows my fonts. |
| 12:40.58 | H2S04 | however. |
| 12:41.04 | H2S04 | I'm unable to use them. :X |
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| 12:41.15 | H2S04 | and xlsfonts / xfontsel does not show them. |
| 12:41.16 | abrotman | !enter |
| 12:41.16 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 12:42.07 | xand | abrotman: what about the Return key?! |
| 12:42.16 | abrotman | blah balh |
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| 12:44.34 | Holborn | H2S04: try fc-* utils ... fc-cache -r also you cna add manually the dirs .. and see if they are with fc-list etc ... sorry is my last idea :-) |
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| 12:47.35 | userinit | Hi, I upgraded to unstable from testing. There are a some errors which scroll through the screen during boot up. How can I log them so that I can analyse/pastebin it to show you? |
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| 12:48.33 | justin_ | userinit: /etc/default/bootlogd |
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| 12:55.26 | auREAX | Hello. I have recently attempted to update and upgrade my packages on my Debian unstable system, however it seems that libc now requires kernel 2.6.26. Since I´m running a VPS on an OpenVZ node, my kernel version is 2.6.18, and I can´t update it by myself. Now everytime I use apt-get, it claims about broken dependancies and won´t install anything. Is there any way for me to resolve this issue? |
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| 12:59.08 | greg_72 | hi, I'm trying to automate an install of mysql with pre-seeding the root password so that apt-get would not ask for it, but it does not work, as seen here: http://pastebin.ca/2052843 what should i do instead? My user does have sudo rights |
| 12:59.16 | sonnie | hi there, this is a 'screen' problem: There is a screen on: 6595.pts-0.sh (04/24/11 09:26:41) (Attached) |
| 12:59.19 | sonnie | There is no screen to be resumed. |
| 12:59.26 | H2S04 | Holborn, using xft:$FONT worked instead of trying to use the normal bitmap font -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* |
| 12:59.36 | sonnie | why i cannot reattach this screen? |
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| 12:59.58 | dynamite | screen -x 6595.pts-0.sh ? |
| 13:00.51 | H2S04 | sonnie, did you rm -r /tmp? Often times screen and such with store its socket file there... |
| 13:00.52 | EmleyMoor | sonnie: If it's already attached, you can't -r and have to -x instead |
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| 13:01.09 | Holborn | H2S04: of course ... I was think you rxvt wascompiled without xft .. but I was worng :-) |
| 13:01.35 | H2S04 | Holborn, still silly, it should work with the 'old' way |
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| 13:02.17 | H2S04 | I don't know why I can't get it to work, the other fonts work using the 'old' method, terminus and what not. |
| 13:03.01 | justin_ | greg_72: sudo echo does not do what you think it does |
| 13:03.42 | greg_72 | justin_: what else? |
| 13:03.50 | justin_ | greg_72: you put it in the wrong place |
| 13:04.37 | auREAX | echo is a builtin command, I don´t think sudo echo even works |
| 13:04.58 | greg_72 | auREAX: hmmm |
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| 13:05.16 | justin_ | echo is both a built in command and a binary |
| 13:05.18 | auREAX | you can try sudo -s && echo ... && exit |
| 13:05.23 | auREAX | but I guess that would require interaction |
| 13:05.29 | valdyn | ls -l /bin/echo |
| 13:05.30 | auREAX | well, so does sudo actually |
| 13:05.40 | justin_ | sudo echo 'works' in the sense that it echos a string 'as root' |
| 13:05.45 | justin_ | but again, that does not do what you think it does |
| 13:05.52 | justin_ | you put sudo in front of the wrong command |
| 13:06.06 | auREAX | ah yes, it executes echo as root |
| 13:06.28 | auREAX | but doesn´t pipe as root |
| 13:06.34 | auREAX | well |
| 13:06.36 | auREAX | better said |
| 13:06.39 | nsadmin | echo is a shell builtin |
| 13:06.46 | auREAX | it doesn´t execute debconf-set-selections as root |
| 13:07.00 | greg_72 | so I better echo and then sudo for debconf? |
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| 13:07.07 | auREAX | yeah. |
| 13:07.12 | valdyn | auREAX: you can pip through sudo |
| 13:07.17 | valdyn | *pipe* |
| 13:07.38 | valdyn | echo blah | sudo debconf-blah |
| 13:07.49 | auREAX | yeah, but his command doesn´t |
| 13:07.50 | auREAX | ;p |
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| 13:09.54 | greg_72 | thank you all for pointing this out |
| 13:10.31 | nsadmin | so if you run sudo echo, does sudo spawn a shell to run the echo? |
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| 13:10.57 | Iridos | nsadmin, that probably uses /bin/echo, really |
| 13:11.09 | nsadmin | oh that's not a builtin |
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| 13:13.32 | nsadmin | so echo is both a builtin and an executable |
| 13:13.38 | auREAX | yes |
| 13:13.43 | auREAX | when echo is used, the builtin is used |
| 13:13.43 | Iridos | right |
| 13:13.46 | auREAX | else /bin/echo is used |
| 13:13.46 | Iridos | ... wave and particle |
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| 13:14.04 | nsadmin | o* |
| 13:14.11 | nsadmin | that[s me particling |
| 13:14.37 | auREAX | nsadmin, http://pastebin.com/CE7L8H6K |
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| 13:15.51 | nsadmin | and (of course) they act differently :) |
| 13:16.02 | Iridos | what was it he originally did? |
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| 13:17.32 | Iridos | you can do stuff like sudo 'echo bla >/some/file' |
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| 13:18.55 | thesignal | hello there^^ |
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| 13:19.25 | thesignal | i bought a thinkpad x201 convertible tablet, is debian a good choice? |
| 13:19.51 | nsadmin | if you did that and instead echoed something with env vars, from which env would they come in the case of sudo 'echo $PATH'? if you also redirected, would the path be relative to the root home dir? |
| 13:19.53 | thesignal | needless to say, i kinda hate windows |
| 13:20.19 | nsadmin | nonsense.... windows is great for starting video games |
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| 13:20.43 | thesignal | i don´t play games on my pc, i´m a dev & student |
| 13:20.56 | thesignal | no time to play games ;) |
| 13:21.21 | nsadmin | in that case I see your point :) |
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| 13:21.53 | thesignal | i found a few articles about installing debain on a tablet, i like experiments too |
| 13:21.56 | abrotman | thesignal: you just have to try it .. |
| 13:22.02 | thesignal | thoughts so :P |
| 13:22.53 | thesignal | on a article, out there in the www, someone wrote it´s better to install those unstable packages to get better support |
| 13:23.00 | thesignal | do you guys agree? |
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| 13:23.21 | H2S04 | no. |
| 13:23.39 | nsadmin | some of the tablets run android 3.0 which generally requires multiple cores |
| 13:24.19 | thesignal | ^^ android is not an option |
| 13:24.39 | abrotman | !tell thesignal about thinkpad |
| 13:24.41 | abrotman | !tell thesignal about laptop |
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| 13:25.33 | thesignal | thx. |
| 13:25.41 | nsadmin | thesignal: I'm just saying if it's already running android 3, you probably have multicore cpu |
| 13:26.03 | thesignal | it´s a thinkpad. IBM lenovo thing |
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| 13:26.06 | thesignal | core i7 |
| 13:26.08 | thesignal | dual |
| 13:26.32 | thesignal | i know bout that stuff, i´m worried about the touchscreen |
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| 13:28.30 | userinit | I set "BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes" in /etc/default/bootlogd and did a reboot. still /var/log/boot is empty . Even /syslog /messages /dmesg does not contain the error text which I see during boot up. I basically want to pastebin the errors I see during bootup. |
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| 13:34.16 | kaiyin | could anyone recommend a bash scripting book for a beginner? |
| 13:34.36 | nsadmin | "Learning the BASH shell", ora |
| 13:34.47 | xyan | not a book though but the abs is really good |
| 13:34.51 | aminpy | how to find debian version? |
| 13:34.52 | xyan | !tell kaiyin about abs |
| 13:35.00 | xyan | aminpy: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:35.05 | abrotman | !tell aminpy about veresion |
| 13:35.07 | abrotman | !tell aminpy about version |
| 13:35.07 | nsadmin | !versions |
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| 13:43.45 | Iridos | !bessage the mots |
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| 13:45.36 | aminpy | I bought a vps, and now I have an ip with password |
| 13:45.54 | aminpy | how should I connect to my server? |
| 13:46.21 | themill | carrier pigeon is somewhat deprecated these days. Try an ssh client. |
| 13:46.24 | ansgar | aminpy: Ask where you got your vps from? |
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| 13:47.30 | aminpy | how to connect with ssh client? |
| 13:47.35 | aminpy | themill, ^ |
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| 13:48.16 | themill | aminpy: what client are you using? (what operating system is your client going to run on?) |
| 13:48.19 | kaiyin | xyan, what is abs? |
| 13:48.30 | aminpy | themill, debian |
| 13:48.31 | themill | dpkg: tell kaiyin about abs |
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| 13:48.53 | themill | aminpy: "man ssh" will tell you that you can use "ssh username@hostname" |
| 13:49.04 | kaiyin | dpkg is silent. |
| 13:49.05 | dpkg | kaiyin: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 13:49.19 | kaiyin | <dpkg> kaiyin: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 13:49.22 | themill | kaiyin: no, dpkg sent you a private message |
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| 13:50.06 | kaiyin | themill, it says there is a problem with my "keyboard-chair interface". |
| 13:50.18 | themill | how prophetic |
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| 13:50.51 | themill | kaiyin: xchat will have opened a new tab with a message from "dpkg". |
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| 13:51.24 | nsadmin | the keyboard-chair interface starts from your hands and goes to your butt... |
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| 13:52.07 | kaiyin | oh, i am sorry. I didn't notice it. :p |
| 13:52.32 | nsadmin | but if dpkg told you that, it's likely that someone here made it do that |
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| 13:58.25 | kaiyin | every time i open a file in midnight commander (inside xterm), i.e. reading a pdf file with evince, the application would feedback some info into xterm, and clobber the mc interface. Has anyone ever exprienced this? |
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| 13:58.57 | kaiyin | Very annoying. Otherwise i might make mc my main file manager. |
| 13:59.14 | abrotman | kaiyin: tried hitting ctrl-l ? |
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| 13:59.22 | themill | kaiyin: is this with debian or ubuntu, btw? |
| 13:59.35 | themill | (but yes, gtk apps are overly noisy on stderr) |
| 13:59.38 | boudiccas | nsadmin, it was explained to me as PEBKAC ....... Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair |
| 14:00.04 | kaiyin | themill, ubuntu. |
| 14:00.07 | dkr | kaiyin: you could redirect stderr to /dev/null when launching the app |
| 14:00.21 | kaiyin | dkr, how? |
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| 14:00.26 | themill | kaiyin: they may or may not have other ways of changing this problem -- please ask ubuntu support questions in #ubuntu |
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| 14:00.29 | dkr | and you could go to the right channel |
| 14:00.30 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@2001 250:208:2022:224:81ff:fe53:95db] by abrotman |
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| 14:00.53 | nsadmin | boudiccas, pebkac |
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| 14:00.55 | abrotman | kaiyin: Ubuntu is offtopic in this channel, you've been silenced for 10 minutes. Please take Ubuntu support to #ubuntu |
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| 14:01.22 | a111 | Is there a way to limit cpu load and memory used per user? |
| 14:01.42 | public_morozov | hi there |
| 14:01.43 | public_morozov | again.. |
| 14:01.44 | public_morozov | I have openldap 2.4.23, is it possible to configure it so that msoutlook (for example 2007) will show all contacts from ldap immediately after address book is opened (virtual list view future)? |
| 14:02.03 | nsadmin | , versions openldap |
| 14:02.05 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'openldap' was found in i386. |
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| 14:02.35 | Iridos | a111, look at /etc/security/limits.conf but I think it's "per login" not "per user" |
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| 14:03.27 | Iridos | not sure, though... it's a bit mysterious to me how it's realized |
| 14:03.58 | themill | public_morozov: #openldap is more likely to be able to answer that question for you |
| 14:04.09 | Iridos | s/realized/implemented/ |
| 14:04.13 | Iridos | *sigh* for germanisms |
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| 14:04.39 | nsadmin | , versions sldapd |
| 14:04.41 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'sldapd' was found in i386. |
| 14:04.49 | nsadmin | , versions slapd |
| 14:04.50 | judd | Package slapd on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.11-1+lenny2; lenny-security: 2.4.11-1+lenny2; lenny-backports: 2.4.17-2.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.4.23-7; sid: 2.4.25-1; wheezy: 2.4.25-1 |
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| 14:05.21 | nsadmin | so the squeeze version? |
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| 14:06.17 | Iridos | ok, it _is_ per login |
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| 14:07.18 | public_morozov | themill they don't know |
| 14:07.36 | themill | public_morozov: they're more likely to do so than #debian though. Good luck! |
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| 14:07.54 | public_morozov | yeah.. |
| 14:08.44 | dtcrshr | iv installed debian on a server, with the graphical environment, but i dont want gnome to startup automatically, only when i call it |
| 14:08.52 | carandraug | I want to report a bug but I don't know to which package I should. What's the application that organizes the windows? The one that "reads" the "Always on top" option of windows (in GNOME). Is it metacity? |
| 14:08.54 | dtcrshr | where do i remove gdm3 from autostart? im with squeeze 64 |
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| 14:10.10 | themill | dpkg: tell dtcrshr about nodm |
| 14:10.14 | nsadmin | probably the line is, debian has the server slapd, and we can help you set it up... but the other side of the line is specific directory structures, you'd have to figure those out yourself as the structure itself is not represented by a debian package |
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| 14:10.20 | carandraug | dtcrshr, /etc/init.d/gdm3 But you probably want to do chkconfig gdm3 off instead of removing the init.d script |
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| 14:11.46 | carandraug | dtcrshr, you can then use 'chkconfig --list gdm3' to check |
| 14:11.53 | Bartzy|work | What is the debian-start script in MySQL package ? |
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| 14:13.12 | themill | Bartzy|work: look inside it |
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| 14:15.05 | Bartzy|work | themill: There are no scary monsters inside? |
| 14:15.16 | themill | boo! |
| 14:15.26 | Bartzy|work | Ahhh |
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| 14:15.37 | Bartzy|work | What are table upgrades ? |
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| 14:18.24 | themill | Bartzy|work: the table format changes from version to version of mysql -- since you presumably still want your data, the file format must be updated to the new version |
| 14:18.51 | Bartzy|work | oh. OK. thanks for the explanation. |
| 14:19.12 | dtcrshr | thanks |
| 14:20.32 | obiwahn | i am looking for a programm to start programms borderless or maximzed in gnome |
| 14:21.00 | obiwahn | i know that the program exist but i forgot the name |
| 14:21.05 | obiwahn | it is not maximus |
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| 14:22.11 | nlsthzn-work | hi, best package manager to install in Debian 6 KDE? |
| 14:22.45 | dvs | synaptic |
| 14:23.13 | nlsthzn-work | dvs even though it uses gtk and not qt? |
| 14:23.34 | abrotman | does it really matter that much? |
| 14:23.35 | dvs | nlsthzn-work: Works well for me. |
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| 14:23.42 | abrotman | there's also aptitude-gtk |
| 14:24.21 | nlsthzn-work | no native kde gui package managers? |
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| 14:25.15 | StefandeVries | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:28.22 | nlsthzn-work | StefandeVries: ah, ok... thanks |
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| 14:31.42 | nlsthzn-work | doesn't see any deb files for KPackageKit... does that mean compiling from source only choice? |
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| 14:32.58 | juboba | how can I disable gdm and boot in console mode? |
| 14:33.25 | themill | !nodm |
| 14:33.25 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
| 14:33.56 | abrotman | nlsthzn-work: honestly, it really doesn't matter .. how much time to spend installing/uninstalling software? |
| 14:34.07 | nsadmin | one way, uninstall gdm... another, configure it to not star... another, start in single-user mode (which in debian is not a true single-user mode since it starts daemons) |
| 14:34.23 | abrotman | you don't need to uninstall gdm .. that's just silly |
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| 14:34.35 | abrotman | nlsthzn-work: and kpackagekit is an ubuntu package .. has nothing to do with Debian |
| 14:34.52 | juboba | abrotman, I agree, being a slackware user I'm used to being able to set things up my way |
| 14:34.55 | obiwahn | its develspie |
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| 14:35.03 | juboba | used to do this in inittab |
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| 14:35.33 | abrotman | juboba: the /etc/X11/default-display-manager is the way i would do it |
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| 14:35.41 | dp | is there a way to make dpkg *not* run post installation scripts? |
| 14:35.47 | juboba | so if I comment the line in /etc/X11/default-display-manager no dm would start? |
| 14:35.48 | juboba | excelent |
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| 14:35.57 | themill | juboba: you should read what dpkg told you |
| 14:36.08 | juboba | themill, I have |
| 14:36.21 | Seb | dp: using unstable, and some postinst is fucked ? |
| 14:36.51 | dp | Seb: somehow, /usr was emptied, and I'm trying to bring it all back. |
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| 14:37.02 | Seb | dp: "somehow" ? |
| 14:37.18 | nsadmin | dp, look into the two stages of package installs |
| 14:37.20 | dp | Seb: I haven't gotten that far yet. likely, one of my users mis-typed a command |
| 14:37.22 | dfgd | hi, anyone using fluxbox? how can i disable caret blink in gtk text editors like leafpad ? thanks |
| 14:37.27 | Seb | dp: wow, nice |
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| 14:38.04 | Seb | dp: a violent and disgusting way of doing it would be rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/*postinst :) |
| 14:38.06 | dp | I did a dpkg --no-triggers |
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| 14:38.25 | nsadmin | triggers are not the stages |
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| 14:39.50 | dp | nsadmin: I'm not sure I understand what you mean by the stages |
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| 14:40.21 | nlsthzn-work | abrotman: well, I guess I don't need a gui... as long as there is something I can use the install stuff with |
| 14:40.30 | nsadmin | the first is the package is unpacked, and the second and last is the package is configured |
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| 14:40.54 | nlsthzn-work | abrotman: ah, I didn't know it was related directly to Ubuntu... but that shouldn't be an issue surely |
| 14:40.54 | themill | dp: you could start by reinstalling all packages that are in the essential set, then all packages that are "required" and then "standard" then everything else. That should repopulate things reasonably well. |
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| 14:41.28 | dp | themill: that's what I'm working on; but installing debconf without all the debconf included items is tricky ;) |
| 14:41.44 | nsadmin | why do you not want to run the postinsts? |
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| 14:42.25 | dp | nsadmin: because the postint for debconf is failing. I want to skip over it for now |
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| 14:43.01 | dp | ah, so I just want to --unpack it |
| 14:43.02 | nsadmin | oh, just that one package? you could alter the script so it exits before doing anything |
| 14:43.04 | nsadmin | and/or |
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| 14:43.06 | dp | interesting |
| 14:43.08 | gn00b | i have an *.iso that is 7.2GB and i don't have a dual layer burner. is there a program that will split the *.iso into 2 parts so that i can burn it? |
| 14:43.12 | nsadmin | you could try to find out why it |
| 14:43.15 | nsadmin | is failing |
| 14:43.22 | juboba | that didn't work dpkg |
| 14:43.30 | juboba | that didn't work themill |
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| 14:43.41 | themill | dpkg: tell juboba about doesn't work |
| 14:43.45 | nlsthzn-work | thanks for the info :) |
| 14:43.56 | juboba | haha |
| 14:44.04 | themill | juboba: exactly what did you do and what did or did not happen? |
| 14:44.27 | juboba | themill, I tried disabling the dm in /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 14:44.41 | themill | that's not particularly "exact" |
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| 14:45.14 | juboba | by commenting the line. But it started either way |
| 14:45.37 | themill | juboba: did dpkg tell you to comment the line? |
| 14:45.48 | juboba | no |
| 14:46.00 | juboba | themill, should I remove the file? |
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| 14:46.14 | themill | juboba: (hint, the bot did not say that at all, hence me telling you to reread the factoid when you said earlier that you were going to comment the entry) |
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| 14:51.42 | mearaji | I have BIG problem with iptables ... |
| 14:52.50 | mearaji | I drop all POLICY , now ACCEPT anly OUTPUT . open 80 , 53 ports , but can not display web pages ! |
| 14:53.01 | abrotman | mearaji: you probably should ask #netfilter |
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| 14:54.03 | userinit | I have some errors shown during bootup, which scrolls up very fast, I need to log them. I tried setting "BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes" in /etc/default/bootlogd and did a reboot. But when I cat /var/log/boot, it is empty . Even /syslog /messages /dmesg does not contain the error text which I see during boot up (just before services startup). |
| 14:54.30 | Seb | userinit: "yes" ? |
| 14:54.43 | Seb | userinit: might be case-sensitive, check /etc/init.d/bootlogd to make sure |
| 14:55.17 | userinit | Seb it was "No" beofre so I followed the convention |
| 14:55.21 | userinit | I will try "yes" |
| 14:55.30 | Seb | userinit: just check the init.d script instead |
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| 14:56.11 | Seb | userinit: anything not starting with "n" or "N" will work, so your problem is elsewhere |
| 14:56.18 | Seb | (at least on sid) |
| 14:56.26 | userinit | I am on sid |
| 14:56.47 | nsadmin | probably the init.d script should accept Y, N, YES, YEs, nO, or any other form |
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| 14:57.59 | Seb | nsadmin: as I just said, anything not starting with "n" or "N" will trigger the daemon startup |
| 14:58.01 | nsadmin | and all other init.d scripts that accept yes/no from /etc/default scripts should also, in order to avoid bugs. |
| 14:58.17 | userinit | Seb: Well, the errors which I could get a glimpse at during boot up says something about /udev, I will try reboot, and hit pause and try getting a snap. |
| 14:58.31 | nsadmin | Seb: ahh, so the problem is elsewhere |
| 14:58.45 | Seb | nsadmin: 16:56:11 Seb | userinit: anything not starting with "n" or "N" will work, so your problem is elsewhere |
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| 14:59.55 | nsadmin | but why is it his problem -if- he did not alter anything other than that one line in /etc/default? |
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| 15:00.20 | userinit | Seb: Yes but tring to figure what else may be casuing it not to log bootlog |
| 15:00.42 | Seb | nsadmin: you're lost |
| 15:00.43 | nsadmin | probably to answer that question we would need to see diffs of the /etc/default script and the /etc/init.d script |
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| 15:01.10 | Seb | userinit: not sure, at this point; does /etc/init.d/udev restart yield the same error, maybe ? |
| 15:01.23 | nsadmin | he's trying to activate bootlogd, right? |
| 15:01.33 | primary | How do I stop this from going on? I'm on 2.6.32 with Debian Squeeze, on a laptop. laptop-mode is installed, and I don't think hdparm -B 255 /dev/drive has much effect on it: SMART: 225 Load/Unload Cycle Count: Value: _106854_ |
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| 15:02.19 | userinit | Seb: No, It succesfully stops and starts again |
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| 15:02.48 | userinit | nsadmin: Yes, so that I can pastebin the lbootlog. and then fiure out what wen wrong in my upgrade from wheezy to sid |
| 15:03.59 | cahoot | primary: for some reason mine is set to 254 |
| 15:04.19 | primary | cahoot: Are you on a mobile machine? |
| 15:04.27 | cahoot | lenovo t61 |
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| 15:05.02 | nsadmin | userinit, ok, did you say you made a change to a related script in /etc/default? |
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| 15:05.47 | userinit | yes, I just changed No to Yes in /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 15:06.23 | nsadmin | ok, and there is a script /etc/init.d/bootlogd? |
| 15:06.54 | userinit | nsadmin: No |
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| 15:07.07 | nsadmin | hmm. |
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| 15:07.15 | nsadmin | checking... |
| 15:07.27 | nsadmin | , file bootlogd |
| 15:07.30 | judd | bootlogd in squeeze/i386: sysvinit-utils: sbin/bootlogd; initscripts: etc/default/bootlogd, etc/init.d/bootlogd, etc/init.d/stop-bootlogd |
| 15:08.45 | nsadmin | do you have /sbin/bootlogd? |
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| 15:09.13 | userinit | nsadmin: yes |
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| 15:09.32 | userinit | wait |
| 15:09.41 | Seb | userinit: dpkg -l initscripts sysvinit-utils |
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| 15:09.50 | Seb | userinit: but i suspect it's not just your /usr that got wiped out... |
| 15:09.59 | nsadmin | take a look at the output of dpkg -s initscript |
| 15:10.26 | nsadmin | do you see installed ok installed somewhere in that output |
| 15:10.27 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 15:11.18 | ANKA` | i downloaded a movie that is in ISO format. how can i watch it? |
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| 15:12.22 | public_morozov | ANKA` cat movie.iso |
| 15:12.45 | ANKA` | public_morozov what exactly do you mean |
| 15:12.57 | userinit | Seb: http://pastebin.ca/2052878 |
| 15:13.14 | Seb | userinit: yep, so other parts of your system got nuked |
| 15:13.23 | Seb | userinit: (I mean not only stuff in /usr) |
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| 15:13.30 | userinit | nsadmin: http://pastebin.ca/2052879 |
| 15:13.39 | nsadmin | Seb: what if he reinstalls initscripts? |
| 15:13.44 | Seb | ANKA`: sudo mount -o loop /path/to/movie.iso /mnt, then look in /mnt |
| 15:14.05 | ANKA` | Seb im using a windows vista laptop right now |
| 15:14.13 | Seb | nsadmin: that'd fix this one part, but AFAIAC, I'd just reinstall the whole system. Can't trust somethign where random files have gone missing |
| 15:14.21 | Seb | ANKA`: what are you doing asking in here ? |
| 15:14.22 | userinit | Ah, well all I did was to add unstable repositories for in /etc/apt/sources.list and did an upgrade |
| 15:14.28 | userinit | Any way to revert? |
| 15:14.35 | Seb | userinit: you mentioned one of your users removed stuff |
| 15:14.50 | public_morozov | ANKA` download 7-zip and extract iso image as Archive |
| 15:15.00 | ANKA` | ok |
| 15:15.12 | userinit | Seb: No I did not mentioned that, this is my home PC, no one has access to it |
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| 15:16.04 | Seb | userinit: bah, got you confused with dp |
| 15:16.11 | Seb | userinit: how about apt-get -f install ? |
| 15:16.16 | nsadmin | userinit, oh, you've trapped yourself into either trying really hard to downgrade package-by-package, complete the upgrade to unstable, or reinstall |
| 15:16.42 | nsadmin | dp left about an hour and a half ago |
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| 15:17.16 | thinksteve | Neither pirated dvds nor Windows are supported in here, ANKA`. |
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| 15:17.27 | userinit | Seb: apt-get -f install doe not install any new paclages |
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| 15:17.48 | userinit | nsadmin: "... complete the upgrade to unstable..." how should i do it? |
| 15:18.22 | nsadmin | well one thing is you'd upgrade the kernel which should pull in some other stuff |
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| 15:18.29 | nsadmin | and then reboot and pray |
| 15:18.29 | cpf_ | Question: I found out that my System -> Administration -> Printing has disappeared in Wheezy. How do I get it back? |
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| 15:18.52 | abrotman | apt-cache search gnome printing .. see what comes back |
| 15:18.53 | Seb | userinit: the "supported" way to downgrade is to pin stable (or testing) up to > 1001, then dist-upgrade |
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| 15:19.03 | abrotman | that is not "supported" |
| 15:19.24 | Seb | s/supported/most supported/, then; definitely beats downgrading every package by hand |
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| 15:19.48 | nsadmin | so leave this as a choice that you should make rather than a solution... the only reason why I suggest doing so is you may be halfway there already (and halfway is not as good/stable/predictable as all the way) |
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| 15:22.56 | userinit | As you guys say there are many options, nsadmin, I already have 2.6.32-5-686, is it ok to upgrade even further |
| 15:23.01 | cpf_ | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/HWR7JwLF << Hardly anything useful unfortunately. |
| 15:23.23 | userinit | Seb: "..up to > 1001.." sorry did not understand this |
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| 15:23.59 | Seb | userinit: I meant "greater than 1001" |
| 15:24.11 | abrotman | cpf_: sorry, 'print', not 'printing' |
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| 15:24.30 | userinit | Seb: what does the number 1001 signify? |
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| 15:25.04 | cpf_ | abrotman, The difference is that now libgnomeprint(ui) is shown, but that's installed already... |
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| 15:27.03 | Seb | userinit: man apt_preferences |
| 15:27.51 | nsadmin | number of sale prices at amazon? |
| 15:27.58 | abrotman | cpf_: perhaps check and see if there's a bug against gnome-control-panel about it missing |
| 15:28.52 | userinit | Seb: Hey... my "man" does not work. man: can't execute vimpager: No such file or directory |
| 15:28.52 | userinit | man: command exited with status 255: vimpager |
| 15:29.37 | nsadmin | do you have a separate /home? |
| 15:29.50 | userinit | nsadmin: yes |
| 15:30.06 | cpf_ | abrotman, First glimp: Nothing :( |
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| 15:30.30 | cpf_ | Going to try a reboot... |
| 15:30.38 | nsadmin | you may wish to reinstall and not format your existing /home in the process |
| 15:30.43 | userinit | nsadmin: I can afford to reinstall afresh and use /home. |
| 15:30.52 | userinit | yes but. |
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| 15:31.23 | userinit | are tehre any other files to backup from root. I can think some /etc files, but aprt fro that anything else to backup from /root |
| 15:31.30 | userinit | sorry / |
| 15:31.48 | nsadmin | again, one of a handful of choices |
| 15:32.16 | nsadmin | well do you use postgres, mysql, sqlite or other database? |
| 15:32.48 | nsadmin | if you actively use one or more, you may wish to make a dump |
| 15:32.49 | userinit | nsadmin: Yes both postgres for irc logs and mysql for local web dev |
| 15:32.55 | userinit | alright |
| 15:33.00 | chrissbx | For some reason new chromium windows (when created through running chromium-browser again on the commandline) usually don't appear on the top, but behind the topmost window. How comes? |
| 15:33.32 | chrissbx | (s/usually/often/) |
| 15:33.34 | userinit | nsadmin: But, what is the gauranteee that the sme thing will not happen after i reinstall |
| 15:34.10 | Seb | userinit: this time you will stay on stable or testing ? |
| 15:34.29 | userinit | Seb: testing. |
| 15:34.41 | nsadmin | no guarantee in particular... how long have you had this thing running? |
| 15:34.54 | userinit | nsadmin: only three days |
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| 15:36.11 | nsadmin | are your passwords similar to Floy*Joy or closer to 8&5jmR3*(^% |
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| 15:36.33 | userinit | nsadmin: No, why? |
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| 15:37.09 | nsadmin | somewhere inbetween? simpler? more randomish |
| 15:37.11 | nsadmin | ? |
| 15:37.38 | nsadmin | I'm just wondering if you may have an unwelcome visitor |
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| 15:37.39 | userinit | inbsimilar to FloyJoy45 |
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| 15:38.28 | userinit | well before I try reinstall, I better take a snap of that damn erro during bootup. |
| 15:38.44 | userinit | reboots |
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| 15:40.45 | nsadmin | maybe you can catch it with a video camera |
| 15:41.09 | [E]sc | i think i messed up my proxy or firewall, because now i can't seem to access simple things like apt-get, can anyone help me out? |
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| 15:49.48 | dkr | [E]sc: more detail might get you help. e.g. what is the command you are trying and what is the error message |
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| 15:50.00 | stevenrossuk | Fresh install of Debian testing is giving me the error: udev error binding udev control socket failed! Possible solutions? |
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| 15:53.46 | [E]sc | dkr: i use apt-get update, but it returns a bunch of IGN, and then when i try to apt-get install a package, i get: 504 Connect to failed SOCKS error: TTL expired |
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| 15:55.36 | [E]sc | I have tor and polipo installed, along with some firewall packages like guarddog, mason, vtun, although the last 2 i haven't configured, so they aren't running ...i can't even ping my own router. |
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| 15:56.07 | ompaul | [E]sc: one assumes you know that apt-get relies on repos which live in /etc/apt/sources.list you might like to put them in a pastebin but ohh look you have some networking messing going on - turn it off before you start testing |
| 15:56.38 | dkr | I don't know about your last assumption - the default config of a fw package could be locked down until you config it |
| 15:56.50 | peeq | I am the guy who was here a few minutes ago, messed up debian. |
| 15:57.05 | ompaul | does apt-get even know about your web cache? |
| 15:57.12 | peeq | I snapped the error during bootup and found it is exactly the same as http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?31,194198,194291 |
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| 15:57.29 | peeq | nsadmin, ^^ |
| 15:58.04 | peeq | Only the erros is similar, I have nothing to do with nginx |
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| 15:58.53 | stevenrossuk | Diagnostic advice would be gratefully received with my udev problem too. |
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| 15:59.55 | sorressean | What sort of tools are used to create the debian ISO? I'm trying to work up a CLI rescue disk with software speech in it. |
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| 16:01.07 | sorressean | I'm looking at remastersys now, but that looks like it could be sort of messy, not to mention the developer is going to cut support/dev. |
| 16:01.22 | ompaul | sorressean: have a look at this http://mirrorer.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 16:02.05 | peeq | It seems "rm -rf /run" seems to fix the problem http://www.aptosid.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=7971. I will try and report back |
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| 16:03.35 | sorressean | That's not exactly what I'm looking for--that unless I'm wrong looks like some sort of apt repo host. I'm trying to figure out what's used to create the ISOs and that for a live cd, or some sort of info to push me in the right direction. |
| 16:04.26 | ompaul | stevenrossuk: can't help there - I'd be forced to say you choose testing, you should know how to dig up problems chase them, figure out how to read bug archives, and the like I'm on sid with kde 4.6.2 and don't see that issue, also if you are going to give a message, there is a part which precedes that information which you gave in channel it might be more useful |
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| 16:05.11 | [E]sc | ompaul, my pastebin: http://pastebin.ca/2052915 i have stopped tor, polipo and changed the .bashrc settings for my proxy, however, now that i do that, i get a: 111 connection refused |
| 16:06.29 | stevenrossuk | ompaul: I have done as you said and wouldn't be asking if I wasn't really stuck. If I don't get it sorted today I will file a bug report. |
| 16:06.31 | ompaul | sorressean: I know people want to manage repos when they set up cds which is why I pointed to it, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/125 |
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| 16:07.04 | stevenrossuk | The full error is: Starting the hotplug events dispatcher: udeverror binding udev control socket failed! |
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| 16:07.08 | ompaul | stevenrossuk: there is additional information that precedes the message |
| 16:07.13 | ompaul | ahha |
| 16:07.27 | ompaul | and what is the impact on the machine? |
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| 16:08.16 | sorressean | ompaul: that looks more like it! thanks |
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| 16:08.37 | stevenrossuk | nothing until I continue to install gnome in which no mouse or keyboard can be used as udev is not governing devices as expected. |
| 16:08.39 | ompaul | stevenrossuk: this is the error you are referring to http://osdir.com/ml/debian-bugs-dist/2011-04/msg08418.html |
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| 16:09.52 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
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| 16:10.12 | stevenrossuk | ompaul: I believe that particular error that user has encountered would be fixed by running the command "rm -rf /run" |
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| 16:10.33 | stevenrossuk | ompaul: A separate known issue to mine. |
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| 16:13.53 | ompaul | stevenrossuk: can you get into the box remotely? |
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| 16:14.07 | Bartzy|work | how can I get the IP of an interface via script ? |
| 16:14.16 | stevenrossuk | ompaul: it's my laptop |
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| 16:14.37 | ompaul | stevenrossuk: does it lock up 100%? |
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| 16:16.19 | stevenrossuk | ompaul: It continues fine and able to run commands from the command line. |
| 16:16.27 | ompaul | Bartzy|work: /sbin/ifconfig | grep ethN put it into a file and then /sbin/ifconfig| grep inet\ addr match them up |
| 16:16.51 | ompaul | stevenrossuk: you haven't really said what the box won't do for you |
| 16:17.33 | ompaul | Bartzy|work: with more work for ipv6 |
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| 16:17.40 | stevenrossuk | yes I have - "nothing until I continue to install gnome in which no mouse or keyboard can be used as udev is not governing devices as expected." |
| 16:17.53 | stevenrossuk | Cant use keyboard or mouse in xserver |
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| 16:18.40 | ompaul | stevenrossuk: can you restart udev as in that mail? |
| 16:19.21 | stevenrossuk | ompaul: I have tried /etc/init.d/udev start which results in that error |
| 16:19.36 | stevenrossuk | ompaul: Cant restart as it never starts to begin with |
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| 16:28.21 | teicah | I want to give 'debian testing' a try. Does anyone have a link for a livecd/dvd installer? I am navigating debian.org w/o luck. Thanks. |
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| 16:28.37 | ompaul | stevenrossuk: if not try kde for a couple of days tbh it won't kill ya |
| 16:28.40 | _linuxftw | If you install regular debian you can apt-get upgrade to sid |
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| 16:28.54 | nukem | does debian support automatic login with root account |
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| 16:29.18 | stevenrossuk | ompaul: Doesnt KDE use xorg? |
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| 16:30.10 | ompaul | stevenrossuk: it does (at least I hope so) |
| 16:30.17 | DocScrutinizer | dpkg: owner |
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| 16:30.38 | stevenrossuk | ompaul: Then I would expect the same loss of keyboard and mouse. |
| 16:30.51 | ompaul | teicah: _linuxftw has your answer there |
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| 16:31.01 | ompaul | stevenrossuk: had you a working system? |
| 16:31.31 | stew | teicah: testing installers are here: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 16:31.41 | ompaul | stevenrossuk: the reason I'm saying that is I'm not seeing those complaints in the kde channel on oftc |
| 16:32.07 | stevenrossuk | ompaul: Yes, but interestingly it was a squeeze installation upgraded to testing using apt |
| 16:32.57 | ompaul | stevenrossuk: I have kde 4.6.2 and it appears not to be dying and I'm on sid |
| 16:33.41 | ompaul | stevenrossuk: just a by the by did you dist-upgrade or just upgrade? |
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| 16:34.12 | ompaul | living in the world of both dist-upgradeable and upgradeable machines I sometimes forget which box I'm on |
| 16:35.04 | bradland | trying to use this (fairly) recent guide to updating an old lenny box to squeeze, but getting 302 errors for many repos: http://library.linode.com/troubleshooting/upgrade-to-debian-6-squeeze |
| 16:35.18 | bradland | any leads on the appropriate place to look for bringing this box up to speed? |
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| 16:36.06 | bradland | output of `apt-get update` |
| 16:36.06 | bradland | http://pastie.org/1857243 |
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| 16:36.34 | stew | bradland: use the official procedure from the squeeze release notes (chapter 4): /msg dpkg squeeze release notes |
| 16:36.37 | ompaul | bradland: why not use this deb http://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian/ in your sources.list that is a web message |
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| 16:38.08 | bradland | stew: ompaul: thanks to both of you for the suggestions. i'll look in to both. |
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| 16:38.16 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.30 | ompaul | bradland: ^^ that is the bots way forward will lots of notes |
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| 16:39.19 | bradland | i think part of the problem is that this box has been unmaintained for so long that sources.list is out of date |
| 16:39.33 | stew | bradland: note that his "ftp.ie" would be best for ireland, you should substitude your country code (if the machine is in the us like you seem to be, use ftp.us). but this won't help with the problems you have with security.debian.org |
| 16:39.35 | ompaul | bradland: that will work as a source to get you off the ground |
| 16:39.46 | acu | hey guys - what is up with this gdm3 - no nice graphics for login etc ? - The design for backgrounds and all for etch was awesome - squeeze is better more modern OS but with sucky (if there is such a word) graphics |
| 16:40.04 | bradland | thx again fellas, this is a great jumping off point |
| 16:40.13 | ompaul | stew: and it is on a multi gig link so is pretty much ok once you have your apt-get update and you have reasonable internet connection yourself |
| 16:40.29 | ompaul | 38 uncontended iirc |
| 16:40.31 | gnugr | infobot: own |
| 16:41.08 | ompaul | acu: the art team want you to join em ;-) |
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| 16:41.56 | ompaul | stevenrossuk: that is what I classify as not fun |
| 16:42.37 | stew | bradland: yeah, it looks like you've gotten at leats some of your sources.list entries wrong |
| 16:43.36 | bradland | yeah, i'm getting 302 on the security.debian.org hostname |
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| 16:44.03 | bradland | this is my sources.list: http://pastie.org/1857268 |
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| 16:44.18 | acu | how to join them ompaul - until then I will be happy even just using etch graphics in squeeze - |
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| 16:45.41 | [E]sc | my apt-get isn't connecting after running through tor proxy,..it was working, but then it stopped.. |
| 16:45.56 | bradland | odd, my security entry matches the debian recommended http://www.debian.org/security/ settings |
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| 16:47.17 | ompaul | acu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt |
| 16:47.57 | ompaul | [E]sc: tor user at far end could be a windows lover and won't let you debian :) |
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| 16:49.55 | [E]sc | ompaul, ahh crap,...! haha!! is there a way around that then? to switch or bounce past this user? |
| 16:50.22 | ompaul | [E]sc: determinstic in tor ... just think about what you asked |
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| 16:51.03 | ompaul | [E]sc: anyway for a apt-get you should leave that traffic outside of tor makes more sense |
| 16:51.18 | [E]sc | ompaul, haha good point... |
| 16:51.49 | ompaul | [E]sc: and why if you use tor do you want a proxy locally - you seem to be confused about your objectives (no you don't have to answer that) |
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| 16:53.01 | [E]sc | i tried to leave apt-get out of it by editing the apt.conf, but it doesn't exists... |
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| 16:53.51 | [E]sc | i'm experimenting ;-) |
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| 16:54.17 | ompaul | [E]sc: I'd rather you didn't experiment with my time thanks ;-) |
| 16:55.03 | stew | bradland: can you show us sources.list? what version of apt is currently installed? |
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| 16:55.25 | stevenrossuk | ompaul: sorry I was away, it was a dist-upgrade |
| 16:55.25 | [E]sc | ompaul, haha noted with thanks! |
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| 16:56.34 | bradland | stew: http://pastie.org/1857297 |
| 16:56.43 | bradland | right now i'm just trying to get the system to update under lenny |
| 16:56.47 | bradland | the squeeze upgrade would be nice |
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| 16:57.04 | bradland | but right now i can't update successfully, so an upgrade is kind of wishful thinking :) |
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| 16:57.44 | ompaul | ,versions apt |
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| 16:57.46 | judd | Package apt on i386 -- lenny-security: 0.7.20.2+lenny1; lenny: 0.7.20.2+lenny2; squeeze: 0.8.10.3; sid: 0.8.14.1; wheezy: 0.8.14.1 |
| 16:58.24 | stew | bradland: show us the output of apt-get update with this sources.list |
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| 16:58.59 | bradland | stew: http://pastie.org/1857302 |
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| 17:01.33 | stew | bradland: are you behind a proxy? its not finding files which are there, and is getting 302 when it should be getting 404 |
| 17:02.20 | bradland | stew: i'm beginning to wonder the same. i tried a wget on this url and found this: wget: unable to resolve host address `proxysg' |
| 17:02.32 | bradland | stew: i think this client hasn't given me the whole picture |
| 17:02.52 | bradland | thanks for your help though. i'm going to abort and have a chat with them about disclosure. i need to know what i'm working with here. |
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| 17:04.30 | Bop | is there anyway to inject keyboard keycodes in a running process ? |
| 17:05.25 | stew | bradland: you can check "apt-config dump | grep -i proxy" and the contents of the http_proxy env variable |
| 17:05.32 | stew | bradland: you can also try ftp instead of http |
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| 17:07.57 | Jeremy-| | has there been a fix for the GIF bug w/ Epiphany in squeeze? |
| 17:07.58 | Jeremy-| | see: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/075c4428713093ee |
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| 17:11.05 | stew | Jeremy-|: you can see all the communication about that bug here: http://bugs.debian.org/624004 |
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| 17:11.20 | Jeremy-| | thank you |
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| 17:14.13 | natefoo | hi all. is there supposed to be a way to figure out why startpar has decided to skip starting a service? |
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| 17:14.20 | natefoo | currently i am looking through the startpar source... |
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| 17:15.05 | jhutchins_lt | ,info startpar |
| 17:15.07 | judd | No record of package 'startpar' in squeeze/i386. |
| 17:15.16 | cafaroooo | How can I grow an mdadm raid1 array using a live-cd? I cannot use it from my system, because the raid has to be unmounted before I can resize it.. I'm not sure what steps to follow, before i can issue the "mdadm --grow" command on the live cd.... |
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| 17:16.02 | rgammans | cafaroooo: ISTR I use mdadm -E -s; mdadm -A -s . for situations like that |
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| 17:17.49 | guy45 | hello |
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| 17:18.07 | guy45 | is there any way to know what kind of encryption my partition has? |
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| 17:18.43 | abrotman | in knoppix? |
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| 17:18.51 | guy45 | in the middle of an upgrade my computer went off |
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| 17:19.37 | guy45 | now im trying to get my data from my hard drive but qhen i try to cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda1 topsecret |
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| 17:20.08 | Onryo | Going to install Debian on a VMware just to see what I think of it. What is the best way do download the software for a VM? |
| 17:20.27 | guy45 | Device /dev/sda1 is not a valid LUKS device. |
| 17:20.38 | guy45 | so i supposed is another encription type |
| 17:21.10 | natefoo | startpar looks for a status of 5 or 6 from waitpid() apparently? except that those should be constants from <sys/wait.h>? and i can't tell what their values are. |
| 17:21.15 | cafaroooo | rgammans: "option -s not valid in grow mode" |
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| 17:22.16 | natefoo | this is a pretty bad documentation and logging problem. |
| 17:22.29 | rgammans | cafaroooo: no it wouldn't be. You asked what commands you might need *before* mdadm --grow. Did I misunderstand ? |
| 17:22.58 | ryan-c | backports.org broken? |
| 17:23.51 | ryan-c | oh |
| 17:23.52 | simonlnu | !backports |
| 17:23.52 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 17:24.07 | ryan-c | moved to backports.debian.org - when did that happen? |
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| 17:24.20 | simonlnu | last year |
| 17:26.03 | cafaroooo | rgammans: ok, but when I do the grow command, I get: "mdadm: error opening /dev/md0: no such file or directory" |
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| 17:29.31 | rgammans | cafaroooo: That's normally because the array hasn't been 'assembled'. |
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| 17:34.29 | rgammans | cafaroooo: Ah hang on , I think you need to append the output of 'mdadm -E -s' to your mdadm.conf file |
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| 17:36.47 | cafaroooo | rgammans: ok |
| 17:36.58 | natefoo | ah, so, startpar will consider any init script which returns 5 or 6 to be "skipped". |
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| 17:38.15 | Bop | does anyone knows how to i inject a "cursor down" key into expect ? |
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| 17:49.35 | bradland | Bop: it depends on your term type |
| 17:50.02 | Bop | bradland, there's no ASCII code for cursor down , that's my problem |
| 17:50.08 | bradland | you send the char escape sequence |
| 17:50.22 | bradland | it'll be something like \cXXX |
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| 17:50.38 | Bop | how can i know the cursor down key escape sequence ? |
| 17:51.16 | bradland | looking now |
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| 17:51.41 | bradland | Bop: try \c[[B |
| 17:51.47 | Bop | ok let me try |
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| 17:52.21 | bradland | the key is going to be making sure your term is set up properly on both ends |
| 17:52.32 | bradland | is this a pure expect script, or is it called from another script? |
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| 17:54.20 | Bop | bradland, pure expect script |
| 17:54.33 | Bop | nope, that does not work :S |
| 17:54.45 | bradland | Bop: you just increased your chances for success by 2x though :) |
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| 17:55.08 | bradland | when you run the script, can you observe the cursor move? |
| 17:55.26 | Bop | im testing spawning pico new_file |
| 17:55.33 | Bop | so i should see cursor move up |
| 17:55.38 | bradland | oh, you need up? |
| 17:55.42 | bradland | sry, i think that was down |
| 17:55.47 | Bop | sorry , down |
| 17:55.49 | Bop | my bad |
| 17:55.50 | bradland | \c[[A |
| 17:55.55 | Bop | missing close-bracket |
| 17:55.55 | Bop | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.06 | bradland | yes, you should see the cursor move |
| 17:56.08 | Bop | its looks like it want to interpret the brackets |
| 17:56.22 | Caly | Hi folks! I got aproblem with setting up my wifi during install of Debian 6.0 here, it asks for WEP key, bu my entwork uss WPA2 (ofc...) |
| 17:56.32 | Caly | *network |
| 17:56.39 | Caly | *uses |
| 17:56.41 | bradland | Bop: don't use quotes with that sequence |
| 17:56.46 | simonlnu | only supports wep |
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| 17:56.59 | Caly | simonlnu: mkay, how come? |
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| 17:57.13 | Bop | bradland, quotes , single quotes , no quotes, same error :s |
| 17:57.19 | simonlnu | i'm not the one to ask. just passing the msg |
| 17:57.20 | erAbuelo | buenas |
| 17:57.27 | Caly | if i switch settings therouter the other computers will lose their connection i guess |
| 17:57.34 | rgammans | Caly: there is bugreport, but it basically due to lack of testing iirc |
| 17:57.34 | bradland | Bop: what type of error do you get? |
| 17:57.40 | Bop | missing close-bracket |
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| 17:57.43 | Bop | while executing |
| 17:57.53 | rgammans | Caly: use a cable for the install ? |
| 17:57.53 | Bop | it doesnt launch pico at all |
| 17:58.06 | bradland | Bop: also, what is the output of `echo $TERM`? |
| 17:58.22 | Bop | bradland, xterm |
| 17:58.31 | bradland | k, lemme see if the sequence is different |
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| 17:59.20 | Caly | rgammans: that's an option ofc, but i dont see why i should neet it as other dists worik just fine setting upWifi (Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Trisquel) o_O |
| 17:59.26 | Caly | *need |
| 18:00.37 | rgammans | Caly: you shouldn't. But you do for netinstall. Download a larger Iso if you don't want to , it's the installer that can't handle wpa not debian as a whole. |
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| 18:01.12 | Caly | ah, i c.. |
| 18:01.42 | Caly | strange that the netinstall doesn't have all the proper tools to d a .. net install xD |
| 18:02.24 | simonlnu | like s/he said, lack of testing |
| 18:02.24 | rgammans | Caly: see bugs #498126, #596446, #550744 #327309 for the fuller story |
| 18:02.44 | simonlnu | going back a while i see |
| 18:03.36 | rgammans | simonlnu: Yup, i was quite surprised when I saw it to. |
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| 18:03.52 | Caly | rgammans: mkay,guess i'll be downloading a bigger ISO, i wnat a tool that works. |
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| 18:03.55 | Wiward_X | nas |
| 18:04.11 | Wiward_X | que tal señores? |
| 18:04.14 | Wiward_X | sorry |
| 18:04.20 | Wiward_X | bye |
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| 18:13.38 | Caly | rgammans: the larger ISO is 8 DVD's ??? |
| 18:14.00 | Caly | ...or 52 DC's o_O |
| 18:14.36 | rgammans | Caly: Yes, but you can probably get away with install just pkg's from CD 1. then added the net work pkg sources and instaling everything else. |
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| 18:15.12 | Caly | crap |
| 18:15.15 | rgammans | ..you need/want |
| 18:15.18 | Leoneof | i use 8 dvds |
| 18:15.42 | Caly | yeah, is the network pkg on another CD then? |
| 18:15.57 | rgammans | Caly: wpasupplicant is on DVD1 and CD1. |
| 18:16.07 | Caly | oh, add sources... |
| 18:16.09 | Caly | ok |
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| 18:21.51 | milosn | anyone running iRedMail? |
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| 18:22.39 | qwd | !ask |
| 18:22.39 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 18:23.21 | milosn | installed it in VM, looks good ... in 5min you get working install of postfix/dovecot/amavisd/clamd |
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| 18:23.54 | milosn | what i am interested in is how well upgrading goes |
| 18:24.15 | milosn | i cant figure that out untill i have it running for a while :) |
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| 18:30.16 | Caly | rgammans: is there any "unstable" version that will work with WPA2 ? |
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| 18:31.02 | rgammans | 'phaps, I but I haven't actually looked myself. |
| 18:31.17 | simonlnu | hands Caly a cat5 cable |
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| 18:31.40 | Caly | i have hundreds simonlnu, i just don't like having to use one. |
| 18:31.43 | cafaroooo | rgammans: I appanded "mdadm -E --scan" to the config file, how should I proceed now? |
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| 18:32.07 | dvs | Caly: If you dont' have access to WEP or no encryption, you're outta luck. |
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| 18:33.01 | rgammans | cafaroooo: the ouput of mdadm -E -s, not the line itself. eg, mdadm -E -s >> /etc/mdadm.conf (your path may vary) |
| 18:33.22 | rgammans | cafaroooo: then mdadm -A -s |
| 18:33.33 | rgammans | cafaroooo: then mdadm --grow ...(whatever) |
| 18:33.36 | rgammans | I think |
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| 18:34.33 | rgammans | i grew the main raid in the office week before last and don't remember even having to boot to a live cd, I did it all online. |
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| 18:37.26 | cafaroooo | rgammans: I did append the output ofcourse, in order to grow the array, i need to umount it, but that isn't possible because since i only made 1 partition, so i figured using a live cd |
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| 18:38.24 | rgammans | cafaroooo: sorry, just trying to be clear. |
| 18:38.38 | cafaroooo | rgammans: np, thanks for helping |
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| 18:41.37 | rgammans | the mdadm -A -s should create the device node aso you don't get device/file not found errors, iirc. I assume your live cd uses udev ? |
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| 18:44.59 | Caly | dvs: well, i got access, but my wlan is set up to use WPA2... |
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| 18:45.36 | dvs | Caly: Which wont work with the current installer. |
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| 18:50.07 | cafaroooo | rgammans: yes, almost seem to work now, using "mdadm --grow --size=max /dev/md0", I get to see that it's component size changed to ~500gb, but both drives have a capacity of 1000gb... |
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| 18:50.46 | rgammans | cafaroooo: RAID 1 yes? |
| 18:50.53 | Caly | dvs: i got that.. none of the non-stable ones either? |
| 18:50.56 | boudiccas | How do i get rid of 'orphaned programs' please? I removed yum but was left with associated programs that werent deleted, so how do i get rid of them please? |
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| 18:51.07 | dvs | Caly: no |
| 18:51.18 | stew | boudiccas: how did you remove yum? |
| 18:51.38 | boudiccas | apt-get remove yum ........ from memory |
| 18:51.42 | Caly | ok |
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| 18:51.56 | proq | boudiccas: apt-get autoremove |
| 18:52.00 | dvs | really wish they worked on it. |
| 18:52.34 | boudiccas | proq, will that work on removing the orphans please? |
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| 18:53.09 | stew | boudiccas: yes, depending on what exactly you mean by orphans |
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| 18:53.37 | proq | boudiccas: apt should already be telling you that autoremove can remove certain files, if it is able |
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| 18:54.22 | cafaroooo | rgammans: yes, raid1 |
| 18:54.24 | proq | boudiccas: otherwise if the other yum files are untracked, you may have to install yum again to remove them |
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| 18:55.02 | boudiccas | proq, thanks, its removed all the orphans |
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| 18:55.44 | dvs | looks at the name of the channel again |
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| 18:58.03 | rgammans | cafaroooo: that what i did and it just worked, what does your /proc/mdstat look like, could you have a partioning issue? |
| 18:58.47 | rgammans | if you md is inside a parttion it will only grow as big as that partition |
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| 19:01.46 | Caly | ok, so i det up my router to use WEP instead, and put in the correct data (name and key) but setup still fails... |
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| 19:03.18 | ompaul | Caly: turn off wep and test it, the bottom line is that WEP is so insecure you would be better off without it. It gives a minor sense of security which is false. |
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| 19:03.45 | Caly | "[!!] Configure the network - Nertwork autoconfiguration failed. - Your network is propably not using the DHCP protocol. Alternatively, the DHCP server may be slow or some network herdware is not working properly." |
| 19:03.53 | cafaroooo | rgammans: hmm weird mdstat now shows sdc1 instead of sda1... |
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| 19:04.04 | Caly | ompaul: i'm aware of that. |
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| 19:05.23 | Caly | ompaul: ok, now i tried with no encryption, and i still get that very same mesage |
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| 19:06.02 | rgammans | cafaroooo: but how big is partition 1, not the sdc, but sdc1 ? what does fdisk show |
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| 19:06.24 | cesurasean | hi guys. getting this error; apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER} - how do I fix? |
| 19:06.40 | ompaul | Caly: got wire? if you plug wire in you can check it and see if you can get any address that will sort out the dhcp issue |
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| 19:06.48 | ompaul | or not as the case may be |
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| 19:07.40 | Caly | having to use a cable seems just retarded. wth, i thoght OS'es knew how to fkn get online theese days =/ |
| 19:07.48 | drith | no sound and wireless in debian wheezy with LVM |
| 19:08.00 | drith | no problems with squeeze |
| 19:08.10 | cesurasean | hi guys. getting this error; apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER} when i run apache2 -s - how do I fix? |
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| 19:09.41 | wad | When I do "apt-get update", I get some lines like this: Err http://www.backports.org lenny-backports/main Packages |
| 19:09.42 | wad | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.50 | wad | Is there something wrong with my box, or is it external? |
| 19:09.58 | ompaul | !backports |
| 19:09.58 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 19:10.14 | cesurasean | hi guys. getting this error; apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER} when i run apache2 -s - how do I fix? |
| 19:10.26 | _linuxftw | cesurasean: We heard you the first time |
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| 19:11.19 | _linuxftw | Perhaps try starting apache with "/etc/init.d/apache2 start" instead |
| 19:11.27 | cesurasean | im not starting apache |
| 19:11.35 | cesurasean | i need to view the vhost directives |
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| 19:12.47 | _linuxftw | the man page says -S, rather than -s? |
| 19:12.54 | Torgal | hi ! is SCTP enabled in debian ? |
| 19:13.00 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: Well, you could just grep /etc/apache2 recursively and figure out which files have the directives. |
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| 19:14.00 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: Or set a valid APACHE_RUN_USER=<user> apache2 -s |
| 19:14.22 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: Were you doing this as root? |
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| 19:15.04 | stew | cesurasean: do you mean "apache2ctl -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS" |
| 19:15.07 | _linuxftw | Or try changing the flag to -S and see if it does anything... |
| 19:15.21 | xelister | hi, when I just installed an ./foo.deb file with dpkg -i foo.deb then should it not be listed in dpkg -l foo.deb ? |
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| 19:15.30 | jhutchins_lt | _linuxftw: Changing the runtime option isn't going to correct a user error. |
| 19:15.32 | ompaul | Torgal: given that the Linux kernel-based 2.4 and newer have SCTP in there I guess all debian currently supported does too. ;-) (2.4 is rather old) |
| 19:15.49 | cesurasean | i got it fixed |
| 19:15.53 | cesurasean | nevermind |
| 19:16.01 | cesurasean | had to specify user and group inside apache2.conf |
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| 19:16.45 | erAbuelo | ta lue |
| 19:16.46 | jhutchins_lt | xelister: This is one of the reasons we recommend against downloading .deb files from unofficial sources. |
| 19:17.04 | Torgal | thx |
| 19:17.05 | xelister | jhutchins_lt: so how to verify if the .deb is installed? |
| 19:17.13 | abrotman | xelister: did it actually install? what was the "foo.deb" ? |
| 19:17.15 | xelister | jhutchins_lt: it's amd.com's binary driver |
| 19:17.26 | xelister | for radeon |
| 19:17.29 | jhutchins_lt | xelister: It should be possible to dpkg -l foo or dpkg -l | grep foo |
| 19:17.34 | stew | xelister: it would be listed, yes |
| 19:17.40 | jhutchins_lt | !radeon |
| 19:17.40 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
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| 19:18.01 | xelister | jhutchins_lt: yeah it is fglrx, yeah Im following this instructiosn |
| 19:18.06 | jhutchins_lt | xelister: Theoretically it's up to the package what it enters in dpkg, but AMD should do it properly. |
| 19:18.17 | xelister | well, it is Ati actually >_> |
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| 19:19.28 | jhutchins_lt | xelister: AMD own's 'em. |
| 19:19.51 | ompaul | for values of 'em=Ati ;-) |
| 19:19.53 | xelister | yeah but too shortly to mak'em not produce crappy drivers |
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| 19:20.01 | ultrax_ | hi all |
| 19:20.46 | ultrax_ | apt-proxy config issue: can't add ppa backend...503 error. any hints or rftm links? |
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| 19:21.30 | jhutchins_lt | ultrax_: As it should be, ppa's are not debian. |
| 19:22.02 | ultrax_ | jhutchins_lt: i know but apt-proxy is widely used in debian. im having an issue configuring it and my hope was... |
| 19:22.23 | jhutchins_lt | ultrax_: No. |
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| 19:22.36 | ultrax_ | ok :( |
| 19:23.32 | jhutchins_lt | ultrax_: Sorry, but we can't know what they do differently. |
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| 19:23.56 | ultrax_ | jhutchins_lt: who do you mean by 'they'? |
| 19:24.06 | ultrax_ | the ones starting with U.. ? |
| 19:24.20 | jhutchins_lt | The people who do the ppa, or the people from the company starting with C. |
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| 19:24.53 | jhutchins_lt | ultrax_: Just because they call it apt-proxy doesn't mean it's the same code Debian calls apt-proxy. |
| 19:25.07 | ultrax_ | heh |
| 19:25.16 | jhutchins_lt | ultrax_: Little things like handling ppa's are just the sort of change they might make. |
| 19:25.17 | ultrax_ | i like that attitude :) |
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| 19:25.56 | ultrax_ | i know they suck my friend, but my employer like that sucking world. i didn't choose... |
| 19:25.57 | ompaul | ultrax_: install debian and watch it work for you ;-) |
| 19:26.14 | ultrax_ | well i don't have the choice |
| 19:26.21 | ompaul | then your employer can pay canonical for support |
| 19:26.43 | ultrax_ | well he rather pays me beeing a cheaper solution i guess :) |
| 19:27.06 | ultrax_ | using debian was one of the first things i mentioned when i came there |
| 19:27.19 | ultrax_ | it wasn't accepted unfortunately... |
| 19:27.24 | ompaul | game over up about 124 channels on the right hand side of the corridor you can find #ubuntu |
| 19:27.36 | ultrax_ | man |
| 19:27.40 | ultrax_ | they nag about gnome |
| 19:27.43 | ultrax_ | and sound not working |
| 19:27.45 | ultrax_ | lol |
| 19:27.51 | ultrax_ | different world |
| 19:28.17 | ultrax_ | unforunately there is no active #apt-proxy channel |
| 19:28.34 | ultrax_ | the server they should use (according to the website) is down |
| 19:28.54 | ultrax_ | and there is as good as no advanced manual on configuring the server |
| 19:29.14 | ultrax_ | especially when it comes to adding custom backends |
| 19:29.38 | jhutchins_lt | ultrax_: 503 is "Service Unavailable" suggesting that you've mixed up http vs ftp or vice versa. |
| 19:29.55 | ultrax_ | i interpreted it that way too |
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| 19:29.58 | ultrax_ | but no.. |
| 19:30.03 | stew | ultrax_: if you can't find help in the #ubuntu channel, i'd suggest trying a web forum perhaps. sorry, we can't help here |
| 19:30.19 | ultrax_ | the backend mirror which appears in the error log |
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| 19:30.26 | ultrax_ | is just available in the webbrowser |
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| 19:32.09 | ultrax_ | stew: how can i get help in a channel from people who screwed up their own distro with some weird desktop manager looking like a mobile phone menu? |
| 19:32.42 | so| | how do you show how httpd is running in squeeze? |
| 19:32.57 | stew | ultrax_: you just /join the channel and ask questions |
| 19:33.03 | ultrax_ | i did |
| 19:33.06 | ultrax_ | no response |
| 19:33.08 | jhutchins_lt | soj: It's running just like it would in Lenny. |
| 19:33.21 | stew | ultrax_: then try again later or try a web forum |
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| 19:33.26 | stew | ultrax_: or try ##linux |
| 19:33.42 | ultrax_ | so|: /etc/init.d/apache2 status |
| 19:33.55 | ultrax_ | stew: ok. thanks anyway |
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| 19:33.59 | jhutchins_lt | ##linux isn't likely to be friendly to apt- program questions. They'll probably send him back here. |
| 19:34.13 | stew | i disagree |
| 19:34.18 | ultrax_ | i feel like some unwanted refugee lol |
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| 19:34.45 | jhutchins_lt | ultrax_: The other possibility is to check with the ppa maintainer. Could be the server's snorfed. |
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| 19:34.59 | so| | just take your time and ask.. need some pastebin and issues of what you've tried |
| 19:35.14 | ultrax_ | jhutchins_lt: thats an option...ill give it a try |
| 19:35.28 | ultrax_ | so|: theres no pastebin action im just looking for a proper RTFM |
| 19:35.34 | ultrax_ | but there doesn't seem to be one |
| 19:37.21 | ultrax_ | wow their latest build is 26 weeks ago |
| 19:37.24 | ultrax_ | half a year... |
| 19:37.28 | ultrax_ | oh man |
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| 19:39.10 | Ring0` | Hi. I'm trying to install hpsmh_2.1.6-156_i386.deb. But installer stucks at 'hpsmh/install/doinst.sh: 73: function: not found' |
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| 19:39.32 | matias | Hello! |
| 19:39.34 | Ring0` | After that I have to kill the dpkg process + I cannot remove it or finish install properly of the package |
| 19:39.36 | Ring0` | =/ |
| 19:39.54 | Ring0` | it appears on every singe next installation and always stack |
| 19:40.57 | stew | Ring0`: looks like a broken non-debian deb. i'd try contacting the maintainer, or see if wherever you got this from has a bug tracker |
| 19:41.07 | stew | Ring0`: or try to find this doinst.sh file and see if you can debug it yourself |
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| 19:41.24 | muneeb | Can't we change file permissions of file residing on NTFS partitions? |
| 19:41.34 | Ring0` | stew it's from ubuntu forums since I couldn't find anything related on debian. And line 73 is "function iniCheck". |
| 19:41.34 | stew | heh, with a debian revision of -156 it appears that the maintainer must have troubles :) |
| 19:41.46 | Ring0` | However I would like to stew purge completly this installation, is this possible? |
| 19:41.52 | Ring0` | If it was hang during install? |
| 19:41.54 | matias | I have a problem in KDE since the last upgrade or so. When I open one window (let's say an editor like Geany) it works fine but when I try to open other window (let's say Iceweasel) it's black and empty. If I close Geany and try with Iceweasel again it's fine! what is going on? Debian testing |
| 19:42.11 | stew | Ring0`: you'd have to debug the postinst script (/var/lib/dpkg/info/hpsmh.postint) |
| 19:42.22 | Ring0` | Thank you stew |
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| 19:43.16 | matias | I have tried with other applications to see what happens, it's always the same with, for example, Dolphin, Yakuake, etc.. but interestingly, I don't have any problem with Konsole, I guess it's somehow different |
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| 19:43.38 | matias | any idea? |
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| 19:46.40 | Ring0` | stew: what is the proper usage of abort-installation? |
| 19:46.52 | Ring0` | abort-install ** |
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| 19:47.14 | luisfelice | Hi, there is a way to install debian in a blackfin processor? |
| 19:47.23 | stew | Ring0`: never heard of it |
| 19:47.40 | thewanderer1 | when dpkg installs a new version of a package, will the files preserve extended metadata? I specifically mean ACL. or should I write my own restoration script? |
| 19:47.51 | matias | by the way, even if I can't see anything at all I can use it, it's not frozen or anything like that, it's just not rendering anything when there's other window opened |
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| 19:49.26 | Ring0` | stew: I found it in hpsmh.postrm >> http://pastebin.com/vU9zse6i |
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| 19:50.03 | stew | Ring0`: this script is not meant for you to call, it is called by dpkg |
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| 19:50.26 | Ring0` | I see, so abort-instal would be the dpkg param? |
| 19:50.27 | stew | Ring0`: http://wiki.debian.org/MaintainerScripts <- this would document when abort-install is called |
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| 19:50.41 | stew | Ring0`: i don't know what you mean by "dpkg param" |
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| 19:51.54 | matias | so none is facing the same problem? |
| 19:52.07 | stew | Ring0`: if you want to remove this package, you'd use "dpkg -r packagrename" but you are first going to have to debug this so that dpkg -r works at all |
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| 19:54.59 | matias | I just found that it's related with window's effect so I disabled it and it's ok now :) |
| 19:55.38 | stew | matias: check the bts if you haven't already. if you don't find a bug filed already that matches this description, please file one |
| 19:55.53 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 19:56.31 | thewanderer1 | how do I get all members of a group? like, all, not only those for whom it's a supplementary group. |
| 19:56.48 | thewanderer1 | `getent group` doesn't include all users |
| 19:57.34 | stew | thewanderer1: i don't know a way other than scripting it to check both databases |
| 19:58.13 | thewanderer1 | aww. so it's an NSS (poor) design choice? |
| 19:58.31 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: grep <group> /etc//group |
| 19:58.49 | stew | < thewanderer1> `getent group` doesn't include all users |
| 19:59.15 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: my problem right now is that users who belong to $GID as their primary group are not included in the group line |
| 19:59.20 | stew | it only includes users for which that group is secondary. (and /etc/group is not as good as getent group |
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| 20:01.18 | thewanderer1 | ,info members |
| 20:01.20 | judd | Package members (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: Shows the members of a group; by default, all members. Version: 20080128-5; Size: 8.9k; Installed: 64k |
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| 20:01.28 | thewanderer1 | haha. Debian saves the day! |
| 20:01.38 | so| | how do I grep httpd to see if it's working? |
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| 20:02.40 | stew | so|: which httpd are you running? (apache2? lighttpd?) |
| 20:02.52 | so| | apache2 |
| 20:02.59 | jhutchins_lt | so|: What are you actually trying to find out? |
| 20:03.12 | stew | "/etc/init.d/apache2 status" should tell you if it is running (which might or might not be what you mean by working) |
| 20:03.48 | so| | I think |
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| 20:03.49 | proq | !maximus |
| 20:03.56 | jhutchins_lt | ps ax will show running processes and can be grep'ed for apache |
| 20:04.18 | proq | uhoh, I killed the bot |
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| 20:04.43 | proq | or it's not here right now? |
| 20:04.50 | stew | dpkg: say hello |
| 20:04.50 | dpkg | hello |
| 20:05.24 | proq | !maximus |
| 20:05.24 | dpkg | somebody said maximus was a program that makes windows fullscreen in gnome |
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| 20:08.08 | Quibus | hi |
| 20:08.20 | Quibus | I just read DPN, and I have a question about why the amd64 flavour can be removed |
| 20:08.28 | so| | http://pastebin.com/sCdukKwu |
| 20:08.30 | Quibus | It is: why can it be removed? |
| 20:08.45 | so| | thumbs: how is grep going to help when we know it's not running already? |
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| 20:10.24 | abrotman | Quibus: i think the idea is that you can address 64GB with a 32bit kernel, or install the 64bit OS .. |
| 20:10.36 | abrotman | Quibus: i saw it explained in detail somewhere ... |
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| 20:11.33 | Quibus | abrotman: but isn't amd64 'the 64 bit OS'? |
| 20:11.42 | Quibus | abrotman: maybe the issue is my understanding of a flavour |
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| 20:12.18 | Quibus | E.g. I have installed here linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 20:12.25 | abrotman | Quibus: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 20:12.34 | Quibus | amd64 |
| 20:13.00 | abrotman | Quibus: I should note they're only removing the -amd64 for those people running a 32bit Debian |
| 20:13.01 | Quibus | So, withint the amd64 architecture, that suffix is superfluous? Is that the point? |
| 20:13.41 | Quibus | abrotman: ah, so the point is: why provide an amd64 kernel in a i386 architecture distro? |
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| 20:13.56 | abrotman | Quibus: which is what they will no longer do |
| 20:14.00 | abrotman | !phillysmite ymasory |
| 20:14.00 | dpkg | obliterates ymasory with the Liberty Bell |
| 20:14.23 | ymasory | ouch |
| 20:14.36 | Quibus | OK, clear then. Thanks :-) |
| 20:15.06 | abrotman | Quibus: i thought the URL linked in the DPN stated that more clearly ? |
| 20:15.38 | Quibus | abrotman: I only found: http://womble.decadent.org.uk/blog/upcoming-changes-in-debian-linux-packages-for-i386.html |
| 20:15.42 | Quibus | and that didn't clear it up for me |
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| 20:16.28 | abrotman | Quibus: oh, maybe i misread |
| 20:16.34 | Quibus | I just read that Mike Hommey is working on iceweasel 5 packages, but where are the iceweasel 4 packages? Anything known about that? |
| 20:16.48 | abrotman | Quibus: mozilla.debian.net |
| 20:17.07 | abrotman | Quibus: it lokos like they intend to upgrade people from the -amd64 on 32bit to -amd64 on 64bit .. or something |
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| 20:17.53 | Quibus | abrotman: aahh.. |
| 20:18.00 | Quibus | that might be it |
| 20:18.01 | ultrax_ | is there any modern alternative to apt-proxy? |
| 20:18.01 | thesignal | where can i find which version-numbers are at debian wheezy ? i´m very interested in gnome 3.^^ it´s not supported at squeeze, right? |
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| 20:18.34 | stew | thesignal: http://packages.debian.org/packagename |
| 20:18.45 | stew | Quibus: in experimental |
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| 20:19.04 | thesignal | thx |
| 20:19.16 | hjubal | ultrax_: take a look to apt-cacher |
| 20:19.22 | stew | ultrax_: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 20:19.24 | abrotman | !gnome3 |
| 20:19.24 | dpkg | http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html |
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| 20:19.40 | ultrax_ | stew: im just a general question, cool down man# |
| 20:19.47 | ultrax_ | asking* |
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| 20:20.14 | ultrax_ | hjubal: thanks. are you using it yourself? |
| 20:20.21 | abrotman | ultrax_: this channel is for Debian support, not "general" support, take it to #ubuntu |
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| 20:22.17 | so| | how do I figure out how to use grep to show if I have a multiple listener on ports? |
| 20:22.38 | stew | so|: what do you mean by "multiple listener"? |
| 20:22.52 | hjubal | upgrading grub-pc failed with "auto-detection of a filesystem of /dev/md3 failed" |
| 20:23.05 | Quibus | stew: why are they still in experimental? |
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| 20:23.09 | hjubal | I have: /dev/md1 -> /boot, /dev/md3 -> / |
| 20:23.11 | hjubal | how do I re-install grub? |
| 20:23.26 | so| | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/mpm_common.html#listen |
| 20:23.28 | stew | Quibus: I know little about it |
| 20:23.32 | thesignal | thx abrotman |
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| 20:23.50 | stew | so|: are you asking how to know if apache is listening to more than one port? |
| 20:23.59 | so| | yes |
| 20:24.17 | so| | or more than one port listening on the same |
| 20:24.25 | so| | and conflicting |
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| 20:24.36 | so| | httpd is telling me to grep listen |
| 20:24.59 | stew | so|: you can check "netstat -plnt" i suppose |
| 20:25.02 | simonlnu | so do that, and check netstat |
| 20:25.10 | kaawee | Hello! Is it possible to configure logrotate at a single location that files have to be kept at least 12 weeks (or any other duration)? |
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| 20:25.10 | stew | so|: i don't know what you mean by "more than one port listening on the same" or "conflicting" |
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| 20:25.54 | stew | kaawee: no, you'd have to edit all the files in /etc/logrotate.conf /etc/logrotate.d |
| 20:26.39 | so| | Either 1) you're not root, 2) something's already running on that port or 3) there are multiple listen or port directives. Please see http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/CouldNotBindToAddress, or 4) You've made a typo in the Listen directive. |
| 20:26.46 | so| | this is what I keep getting from httpd |
| 20:26.53 | so| | I'm root |
| 20:27.10 | Quibus | OK, good night folks |
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| 20:27.24 | so| | so they said it had to be multiple listen or port directives |
| 20:27.26 | stew | so|: use netstat to see if something is already listening |
| 20:27.31 | so| | and grep listen |
| 20:27.32 | stew | so|: who said that? |
| 20:27.38 | so| | http://pastebin.ca/2053026 |
| 20:27.47 | so| | thumbs in httpd |
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| 20:28.16 | stew | so|: what Listen or BindAddress directives do you have in /etc/apache2/* |
| 20:28.20 | kaawee | stew: well, that means I actually need to deactivate logrotate, because it is deleting files it should not |
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| 20:29.50 | hjubal | does grub-pc support /boot on /dev/md1? |
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| 20:30.43 | simonlnu | doesn't /boot have to be a real fs, non-raid, non-lvm, if / is raid |
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| 20:31.07 | so| | stew: what file are you looking for apache2.conf? |
| 20:31.14 | so| | or somethig else |
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| 20:31.25 | simonlnu | so|: grep -rni listen /etc/apache2 |
| 20:31.54 | stew | so|: in /etc/apache2 it could be any of apache2.conf httpd.conf conf.d/* ports.conf sites-enabled/* |
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| 20:32.07 | acx0 | s/user/use/ |
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| 20:32.23 | simonlnu | g |
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| 20:32.48 | acx0 | ? |
| 20:32.57 | simonlnu | s/user/use/g |
| 20:33.04 | acx0 | why? |
| 20:33.13 | simonlnu | you have more than one there |
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| 20:33.31 | acx0 | ahh, i was wondering, since it's only 1 line |
| 20:33.46 | so| | http://pastebin.ca/2053030 |
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| 20:34.11 | simonlnu | so|: grep -rni listen /etc/apache2 |
| 20:34.25 | simonlnu | not the whole apache conf, geez |
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| 20:35.04 | stew | so|: you need to search all of the configs for both Listen and BindAddress |
| 20:35.19 | simonlnu | acx0: the delimiters would depends on the terminal settings |
| 20:35.25 | simonlnu | depend* |
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| 20:35.54 | so| | http://pastebin.ca/2053032 |
| 20:36.07 | simonlnu | grep -rni '(listen|bindaddress)' /etc/apache2 |
| 20:36.25 | stew | he means egrep not grep |
| 20:36.27 | Riviera | -E possibly |
| 20:36.30 | stew | or that |
| 20:36.48 | simonlnu | you have listen 443 there 3 times in one file |
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| 20:37.14 | simonlnu | grep defaults to -E in more recent versions (and i alias grep -E to grep if it doesn't) |
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| 20:37.30 | Riviera | simonlnu: no, it does not |
| 20:37.35 | stew | doesn't here |
| 20:37.39 | Craigwd_2000 | Sorry: I missed the reply to my previous comment. I was away from my computer while I was still logged into Freenode. Could somebody please repeat the reply to my previous comment...? |
| 20:37.48 | simonlnu | ok |
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| 20:38.41 | simonlnu | likes grep -E ;) |
| 20:39.34 | so| | ok slow down guys |
| 20:39.48 | so| | so how do I find where this is messed up and remove the 443 |
| 20:40.09 | simonlnu | the -n option told you where |
| 20:40.10 | stew | so|: from your grep output, there are multiple Listen directives for 443 in ports.conf |
| 20:40.26 | so| | I see that |
| 20:40.33 | so| | where do they come from? |
| 20:40.46 | simonlnu | ports.conf ... |
| 20:40.46 | so| | do I just edit the ports.conf file and remove them?? |
| 20:41.20 | so| | which one do I keep and how do I make the rest still work? |
| 20:41.25 | so| | or is that in SNI |
| 20:41.38 | stew | so|: one of the system's administrators added a Listen 443 near the top, then later, somone did a "a2enmod ssl" which enabled the one which is inside the <IfModule mod_ssl.c> |
| 20:42.08 | stew | so the first one should probably go away, just leaving the one inside the mod_ssl section (and the one in the gnutls section which is probably not being used) |
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| 20:42.41 | simonlnu | i'd keep a globally located one and remove the non-global one, or remove the gloal one and keep the one in mod_ssl.c ifmodule directive |
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| 20:43.44 | simonlnu | (i tend to enable both 443 and 80 and configure accordingly) |
| 20:44.03 | so| | sample?? |
| 20:44.19 | so| | where is mod_ssl.c located? |
| 20:44.30 | stew | so|: in the apache source code |
| 20:44.34 | simonlnu | you don't need a sample for what you're doing |
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| 20:44.50 | moele | BOOM |
| 20:45.03 | dvs | BANG! |
| 20:45.08 | simonlnu | MOOB |
| 20:45.15 | streuner | hehe |
| 20:45.18 | moele | oh no |
| 20:45.20 | stew | so|: that if statment is just saying "is the ssl module loaded" which it would be if /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ssl.load exists |
| 20:45.21 | moele | i started some crap :( |
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| 20:46.17 | stew | so|: which is typically done by running "a2enmod ssl". probably what happened is that when someone was originally trying to get ssl working, they added the first "Listen 443" not knowing that they should instead run "a2enmod ssl", then when they ran a2enmod ssl, the other "Listen 443" got enabled |
| 20:46.40 | foetus | done mirroring etch sources ;) |
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| 20:48.03 | scx | hello |
| 20:48.17 | scx | can anyone show me result of this command: |
| 20:48.19 | scx | cat /etc/init.d/.depend.boot | grep -i hdparm |
| 20:48.24 | scx | thx in advance |
| 20:48.41 | streuner | great |
| 20:48.48 | simonlnu | !uuoc scx |
| 20:48.48 | dpkg | hands scx the "useless use of cat" award |
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| 20:49.12 | dvs | is glad he doesn't get that award anymore |
| 20:49.24 | streuner | scx: what kind of problem do you have? |
| 20:49.49 | scx | streuner: possible Xzibit Rootkit |
| 20:49.58 | simonlnu | wonderful |
| 20:50.00 | streuner | oh |
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| 20:51.45 | simonlnu | scx: http://paste.debian.net/115808 |
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| 20:52.08 | foetus | would prefer an mcafee virusscan :);) |
| 20:52.08 | scx | simonlnu: thx |
| 20:52.21 | simonlnu | mcawho? |
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| 20:53.19 | simonlnu | scx: not relevant here though, running with systemd right now |
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| 20:54.07 | moele | whyy is my pipe not working |
| 20:54.12 | wolfiR | hi, I'd have a question about packaging: if I mark a file as conffile in a new version of a package (which wasn't a conffile before) does it never get overwritten on update? |
| 20:54.28 | simonlnu | moele: you need to clean pipes periodically |
| 20:54.34 | dvs | heh |
| 20:54.37 | moele | for i in `ls -la | do `grep tar.bz2` | `tar -vxf $i` &> ~/list.dir` ; done |
| 20:54.39 | moele | for instance |
| 20:54.43 | Caly | hmm, if i install Debian net install without connection, can i set up the wifi from terminal? |
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| 20:54.50 | simonlnu | moele: syntax error |
| 20:55.00 | moele | sim, ya i got the general idea down |
| 20:55.08 | moele | sim, i just need to practice |
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| 20:55.30 | dvs | moele: I think do needs to be some sort of "for" |
| 20:55.42 | dvs | but I ain't no expert in scripting. |
| 20:55.50 | simonlnu | for whatever; do whatever else; done |
| 20:55.57 | stew | moele: what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 20:56.29 | simonlnu | you have an incomplete backtick, the do doesn't have a semi-colon, and your backtick ends who knows where |
| 20:56.31 | stew | moele: you probably don't want to be using ls at all, and really don't want ls -l |
| 20:56.58 | moele | for i in `ls -la | grep tar.bz2` ; do tar -xvf $i ; done |
| 20:56.58 | moele | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:57.14 | simonlnu | use for i in *; do foo bar; done |
| 20:57.17 | Caly | anyone? |
| 20:57.38 | moele | for i in `ls | grep tar.bz2` ; do tar -xvf $i ; done works perfectly |
| 20:57.38 | torrancew | Caly: are you trying to install with no network whatsoever? |
| 20:57.41 | stew | that would first try to untar something like "-rw-r--r--", right? |
| 20:57.44 | Caly | right |
| 20:57.47 | moele | stew, ya |
| 20:57.51 | simonlnu | Caly: if you have the utilities for it installed |
| 20:57.52 | dvs | torrancew: An encrypted wireless |
| 20:57.53 | moele | stew, i stripped the -la flag :0 |
| 20:57.59 | moele | stew, it screws shit up |
| 20:58.00 | stew | but it works? |
| 20:58.00 | Caly | simonlnu: ehm... |
| 20:58.05 | moele | yup |
| 20:58.07 | moele | perfectly :) |
| 20:58.21 | moele | yay for loops |
| 20:58.23 | stew | so you happen to have a -rw-r--r-- file? |
| 20:58.28 | moele | lol nonon |
| 20:58.29 | moele | that didnt work |
| 20:58.30 | simonlnu | for i in *.tar.bz2 |
| 20:58.31 | Caly | well, i have no clue really, but i got a terminal prompt at least =P |
| 20:58.33 | moele | that is why i stripped the -la :) |
| 20:58.46 | moele | simonlnu, that would be much easier |
| 20:58.58 | simonlnu | because it works? ;) |
| 20:59.00 | moele | yes |
| 20:59.05 | moele | less lines as well |
| 20:59.08 | jelly-hme | eugh |
| 20:59.16 | jelly-hme | !parsing ls |
| 20:59.16 | dpkg | Trying to manipulate the output of "ls" isn't a very good idea at all: the output varies when you change locales or even between different versions of coreutils (let alone between linux and other unices). The output of ls was never designed to be fed into other programs and if you have odd characters like spaces or newlines in your filenames then you will strike trouble. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ParsingLs |
| 20:59.20 | moele | simonlnu, but i think part of becoming a good sysadmin is being able to perform the same task, more efficiently |
| 20:59.30 | moele | simonlnu, that is why im putting the work into regexp, and loops and scripting etc.. |
| 20:59.33 | jelly-hme | moele: read it ^^ |
| 20:59.46 | moele | jelly, yup |
| 21:00.02 | Caly | torrancew: simonlnu i mean, i've installed and logged in, the installer wouldn't get a hang of my wifi stuff, can i set it up properly from terminal? |
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| 21:00.08 | simonlnu | moele: yes. Don't Parse Ls ;) |
| 21:00.13 | moele | yup |
| 21:00.18 | moele | bad idea. |
| 21:00.20 | moele | i got that :) |
| 21:00.49 | moele | now I just need to figure out sed and i'll be golden |
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| 21:00.53 | moele | sed/awk/cut/tee etc.. |
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| 21:01.20 | stew | you should add sh scripting to that list! :) |
| 21:02.01 | jelly-hme | that WAS sh scripting |
| 21:02.08 | moele | jelly-hme :) |
| 21:02.16 | stew | oh, so that is now all figured out, huh? |
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| 21:02.32 | moele | its just refreshing knowledge i havent practiced in nearly 5 years |
| 21:02.33 | moele | ;( |
| 21:02.52 | simonlnu | afk |
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| 21:09.49 | romel | hi guys. could someone tell me please, do I understand correctly that there's no way to get Ubuntu's Unity working under debian? |
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| 21:10.39 | dkr | I doubt that |
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| 21:11.58 | jhutchins_lt | romel: I'm sure it could be done, but it's not a matter of adding a repository and clicking "upgrade me". |
| 21:12.26 | jhutchins_lt | romel: It would involve some serious version juggling, and you'd really be better off just running Ubuntu. |
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| 21:13.00 | dkr | I'd think compiling from source would be the easiest way. http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/#coding |
| 21:14.22 | romel | hm |
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| 21:15.13 | jhutchins_lt | Is there a factoid or something for getting grub2 working with / on a RAID? |
| 21:15.45 | karsten | Looking at a new Thinkpad. WiFi reccommendations? Options: ThinkPad g/g/n, Intel Centrino Wireless-N 1000, Advanced-N 6205, Ultimate-N 6300, or Advanced-N + WiMAX (all Intel Centrino). |
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| 21:16.57 | JOSUE | hi, #crm ra meta postfix ERROR: ocf:heartbeat:postfix: could not parse meta-data: |
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| 21:17.15 | dfgd | can one still install kde 3 in debian wheezy ? |
| 21:17.20 | abrotman | not likely .. |
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| 21:17.32 | abrotman | you can try to compile it if you want, but the packages are not in squeeze or wheezy |
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| 21:17.50 | wolfiR | is there another channel specific to packaging issues? |
| 21:18.24 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 21:18.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
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| 21:18.46 | dfgd | thanks |
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| 21:19.01 | JOSUE | Is anybody using the postfix resource agent successfully? when I try initialise it with the basic options |
| 21:19.03 | JOSUE | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:19.39 | jhutchins_lt | !trinity |
| 21:19.39 | dpkg | Trinity is a project to keep <KDE> 3.5 alive by making packages of this distribution available for Debian squeeze (Squeeze has KDE 4.4 in it). It is not part of Debian, and their packages are neither supported by #debian nor by the Debian Security Team. http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/ #trinity-desktop on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <kde squeeze>. |
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| 21:20.11 | jhutchins_lt | dfgd: ^ |
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| 21:20.52 | jhutchins_lt | dfgd: They may be working on wheezy as well, but since wheezy is pretty raw right now they might not. |
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| 21:21.13 | dfgd | ok i'll check it out thanks |
| 21:24.08 | jhutchins_lt | How about a howto for root raid? |
| 21:24.40 | JOSUE | in the syslog I see that ERROR: lrm_get_rsc_type_metadata(578): got a return code HA_FAIL from a reply message of rmetadata with function get_ret_from_msg |
| 21:24.54 | jhutchins_lt | We get people all the time who made an md with the installer and grub won't install (correctly). |
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| 21:29.00 | jhutchins_lt | !repeat |
| 21:29.00 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 21:29.26 | jhutchins_lt | !postfix |
| 21:29.26 | dpkg | Postfix is a <MTA> originally created as an alternative to <sendmail>. It aims to be fast, secure, easy to administer and (relatively) sendmail compatible. Receiving "no mechanism available" with SASL when used as a SMTP client? Install the suggested libsasl2-modules package. Kyle Dent's Postfix FAQ: http://www.seaglass.com/postfix/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/Postfix http://www.postfix.org/ #postfix on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 21:32.53 | curp | Hi, i just installed debian and my network doesn't seem to be working. I installed the nonfree firmware (tg3) for my network card and the module seems to be loading, but I still can't do anything. everything worked fine during installation. What could be the problem? |
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| 21:40.51 | flock-_ | Hello. I just installed debian with kernel 2.6.38.2-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv6-32. how do I change to bzImage-2.6.34.6-xxxx-std-ipv6-32 ? I already got bzImage-2.6.34.6-xxxx-std-ipv6-32 on /boot what's next? thanks. |
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| 21:42.15 | jelly-home | flock-_: those don't sound like Debian distro kernels |
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| 21:42.20 | kaawee | Hello! How can I properly disable logrotate (e.g. such that it is still disabled even if a package depends on the "logrotate" package)? |
| 21:42.34 | flock-_ | jelly-home, they're from ovh servers |
| 21:43.15 | jelly-home | flock-_: you'll need to edit your boot loader config and tell it to load the correct entry. Which boot loader are you using? |
| 21:45.21 | torrancew | kaawee: you could remove the logrotate entry from /etc/cron.daily |
| 21:45.42 | flock-_ | How do I see that jelly-home? but i guess isnt lilo |
| 21:45.53 | torrancew | kaawee: but package upgrades could sneak it back in there |
| 21:45.59 | kaawee | torrancew: but it may re-appear on upgrade |
| 21:46.02 | kaawee | torrancew: yes... |
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| 21:49.07 | Jobbe | Hmm, quick question - Why can't i execute a program ? .. -bash: ./sc_serv: No such file or directory - I got the same setup on another server but i dont have anyproblems... |
| 21:50.01 | nsadmin | Jobbe, is that file in your current dir? (ls) |
| 21:50.08 | dynamite | i was gonna ask :D |
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| 21:50.11 | Jobbe | nsadmin yes it is .. |
| 21:50.16 | dynamite | ah |
| 21:50.25 | Jobbe | LS: sc_serv sc_serv_1.9.8_Linux.tar.gz sc_serv.conf sc_serv.log sc_w3c.log |
| 21:50.27 | dynamite | Jobbe: is this a 64 bit system? |
| 21:50.30 | nsadmin | show the first line of that file |
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| 21:50.58 | dynamite | Ohai NeoBlaster! |
| 21:51.02 | Jobbe | Dont think you'll get much of it .. "^?ELF^A^A^A^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^B^@^C^@^A^@^@^@$�^D^H4^@^@^@�^S^B^@^@^@^@^" |
| 21:51.08 | dynamite | Jobbe: And? |
| 21:51.20 | Jobbe | yes it is a 64 bit |
| 21:51.22 | dynamite | there is no shoutcast binary for 64 bit systems. |
| 21:51.27 | dynamite | therefore it wont work |
| 21:51.30 | NeoBlaster | hola dynamite :D nice to see u there :)) |
| 21:51.33 | nsadmin | so it's a binary? |
| 21:51.37 | vincekg | flock-_: It seems you are not used to configure your bootloader; if you are on OVH, i advise you to set in your manager in the netboot option the correct kernel. It will boot your system by the network with an up to date kernel of your choice |
| 21:51.43 | dynamite | (: same for you NeoBlaster |
| 21:51.56 | dynamite | nsadmin: yeah, ive had that issue |
| 21:51.59 | Jobbe | Server with problems: Linux Stream 2.6.26-2-amd64 - Server it works on: Linux JobbeVPS 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 21:52.07 | Jobbe | it's the same systems |
| 21:52.10 | dynamite | huh |
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| 21:52.16 | nsadmin | did you compile it? |
| 21:52.21 | Jobbe | nsadmin no |
| 21:52.25 | dynamite | nah its downloaded |
| 21:52.36 | dynamite | im pretty sure it was a 32/64bit issue |
| 21:52.50 | kaawee | torrancew: what if I insert "exit 0" into /etc/cron.daily/logrotate? will this file be overwritten by package upgrade? |
| 21:52.51 | nsadmin | it could depend on libs you don't have |
| 21:53.10 | Jobbe | dynamite dont think so, since it works on another x64 system |
| 21:53.25 | Jobbe | nsadmin hmm - what libs could it be ? |
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| 21:53.36 | twobitsprite | Jobbe: chmod +x sc_serv |
| 21:53.43 | Jobbe | twobitsprite did that |
| 21:53.46 | nsadmin | look at the output of ldd thatfile |
| 21:54.04 | twobitsprite | Jobbe: ldd ./sc_serv |
| 21:54.16 | Jobbe | not a dynamic executable |
| 21:54.31 | torrancew | kaawee: I believe it will |
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| 21:54.56 | nsadmin | so libs are not an issue |
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| 21:55.20 | kaawee | torrancew: and what about "chmod ugo-r /etc/logrotate.d"? |
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| 21:56.06 | twobitsprite | Jobbe: hash -r |
| 21:56.14 | twobitsprite | Jobbe: then try agin |
| 21:56.16 | twobitsprite | again* |
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| 21:56.23 | twobitsprite | (stabbing in the dark) |
| 21:56.49 | Jobbe | nope .. still gets: -bash: ./sc_serv: No such file or directory |
| 21:57.07 | flock-_ | Hello. I just installed debian with kernel 2.6.38.2-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv6-32. how do I change to bzImage-2.6.34.6-xxxx-std-ipv6-32 ? I already got bzImage-2.6.34.6-xxxx-std-ipv6-32 on /boot what's next? thanks. (sorry repeat timeouted.) |
| 21:57.13 | twobitsprite | Jobbe: and you're sure "ls -l ./sc_serv" works fine? |
| 21:57.39 | Jobbe | that outputs: -rwxr-xr-x 1 14775 1687 134K 2007-02-28 21:17 ./sc_serv |
| 21:58.22 | nsadmin | does it take args? what if you say ./sc_serv --help |
| 21:58.25 | vincekg | flock-_: (repeat, if you timeouted) It seems you are not used to configure your bootloader; if you are on OVH, i advise you to set in the OVH manager the netboot option with the correct kernel. It will boot your system by the network with an up to date kernel of your choice |
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| 21:58.39 | s0126h | i was able to use somebody's wifi without the key using ddwrt as repeater ? how in the world is this possible |
| 21:58.39 | Jobbe | nsadmin nothing .. :/ |
| 21:58.44 | twobitsprite | nsadmin: no, it's bash complaining that it can't find the executable |
| 21:59.11 | Jobbe | Could a reboot fix the problem ? |
| 21:59.16 | twobitsprite | try asking in #bash, but brace for grumpiness |
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| 22:00.41 | nsadmin | I think you should try building from source (gotta go) |
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| 22:01.15 | proq | grumpiness in #bash? never! |
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| 22:03.44 | proq | Jobbe: could you paste the entire error message? |
| 22:04.29 | Jobbe | proq nothing less, nothing more but " -bash: ./sc_serv: No such file or directory " |
| 22:04.57 | proq | Jobbe: it sounds like the file is missing #!/bin/bash or bash is missing. does /bin/sh work? |
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| 22:05.17 | torrancew | kaawee: Package operations tend to happen as root, which would pretty much clobber any permission-magic you work there |
| 22:05.19 | Jobbe | give me a sec, got a timeout from server (reboot) .. |
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| 22:05.39 | proq | #!/bin/sh obviously |
| 22:06.00 | kaawee | torrancew: I've tested this, and you are right... I'm now thinking about /etc/apt/preferences and forcing the "logrotate" package to never be installed |
| 22:06.01 | proq | and bash sc_serv instead of ./sc_serv |
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| 22:06.31 | torrancew | kaawee: what exactly depends logrotate? |
| 22:07.01 | kaawee | torrancew: I do not know, how can I query that? |
| 22:07.11 | kaawee | torrancew: it seems to be installed by default |
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| 22:08.02 | twobitsprite | proq: it's a binary ELF file |
| 22:08.17 | torrancew | kaawee: I'm not positive |
| 22:08.24 | DasEi | torrancew: apt-cache depends logrotate |
| 22:08.53 | kaawee | torrancew: that means? |
| 22:08.57 | torrancew | you could do something with that file, and write something using inotify to keep it in check (hacky, though), if the need to kill logrotate is that bad, kaawee |
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| 22:10.15 | proq | oh... I read "try asking in #bash" and assumed it was a bash script |
| 22:10.48 | proq | if it's a binary ELF file, I *would* expect grumpiness if I asked in there about it |
| 22:11.49 | Jobbe | Ok server is ready |
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| 22:13.14 | proq | Jobbe: erm... the file should not be named "./sc_serv", it should be named "sc_serv" |
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| 22:13.37 | Jobbe | the name if the file is "sc_serv" |
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| 22:13.53 | proq | <Jobbe> that outputs: -rwxr-xr-x 1 14775 1687 134K 2007-02-28 21:17 ./sc_serv |
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| 22:14.11 | Jobbe | because i was told to run it witl ./sc_Serv |
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| 22:14.24 | Jobbe | that bash command u send gave this output: sc_serv: sc_serv: cannot execute binary file |
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| 22:16.30 | xDD | I'm trying to do a safe-upgrade with apt-get or aptitude but it keeps hanging up while downloading, no matter which mirror I use in sources.list |
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| 22:17.10 | jelly-home | Jobbe: what do these commands say: "file ./sc_serv", "dpkg --print-architecture"? |
| 22:17.29 | Jobbe | file ./sc_serv |
| 22:17.29 | Jobbe | -bash: file: command not found |
| 22:17.31 | xDD | Also I kept getting Hash Mismatch errors and aptitude was saying there are no new packages but that's solved now after deleting some cached files a few times and retrying the update |
| 22:17.47 | Jobbe | amd64 |
| 22:17.54 | jelly-home | Jobbe: install it ("file") and run it again |
| 22:18.28 | xDD | It downloads a few packages and then stops at 0% for random packages, then I have to Ctrl+C and run the command again for it to download yet a few more packages |
| 22:18.28 | proq | Jobbe: what do you see when you run strings sc_serv | grep bash |
| 22:18.33 | Jobbe | ./sc_serv: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, stripped |
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| 22:18.54 | Jobbe | strings sc_serv | grep bash |
| 22:18.54 | Jobbe | -bash: strings: command not found |
| 22:18.55 | jelly-home | Jobbe: you're probably missing support to run 32bit binaries on your 64bit OS |
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| 22:19.19 | Jobbe | jelly-home how can i add support ? |
| 22:19.31 | jelly-home | Jobbe: install ia32-libs, for a start |
| 22:19.36 | proq | Jobbe: wow, that sounds really broken if that command gives the same error |
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| 22:19.58 | jelly-home | proq: it's just not installed. |
| 22:20.04 | xDD | Is this a known problem? I've been having the same issue on my laptop AND in a VM. |
| 22:20.11 | proq | Jobbe: what does "which strings" say? |
| 22:20.14 | Jobbe | it's a minimal debian install |
| 22:20.27 | proq | oh |
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| 22:20.34 | Jobbe | proq sec, installing that stuff jelly told me to |
| 22:20.35 | magic_mage | hi gents |
| 22:20.42 | magic_mage | debian n00b here |
| 22:20.45 | Jobbe | proq which strings dosent output anything |
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| 22:21.00 | magic_mage | does deb 6 have xen 4? |
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| 22:21.05 | magic_mage | and does it have virt manager gui? |
| 22:21.10 | Jobbe | It works now :D |
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| 22:22.02 | xDD | Oh and another problem: I have the guest additions installed in VirtualBox and graphics acceleration used to work, but now I can't even run glxinfo because all it outputs is: "name of display: :0.0\nSegmentation fault" |
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| 22:22.18 | Jobbe | Thanks all :D |
| 22:22.24 | xDD | glxgears just goes instantly "Segmentation fault" |
| 22:23.37 | proq | I think I'm going to report a bug that basic /etc/network/interfaces configuration won't connect to my wireless router. what URL do I submit to? |
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| 22:24.35 | jelly-home | proq: have you set you interfaces file up for the correct encryption method your router is configured with? |
| 22:25.00 | proq | jelly-home: yes. it also fails if I turn off encryption on the wireless router |
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| 22:25.39 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell proq about reportbug |
| 22:26.12 | jelly-home | wifi can be tricky to set up correctly; best to doublecheck the details before concluding it's a bug |
| 22:26.26 | proq | thanks |
| 22:26.38 | jelly-home | #iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 22:26.38 | jelly-home | # wpa-conf /home/jelly/.wpa/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 22:26.49 | proq | well, I pastebinned the config in here and a few people (I presume) checked it |
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| 22:27.05 | jelly-home | that was basically my setup, and everything else in that conf file |
| 22:27.16 | proq | yeah, I tried a setup like that |
| 22:27.32 | proq | and a few without wpa_supplicant |
| 22:27.49 | proq | and wicd |
| 22:28.04 | proq | it was only connecting ok in gnome |
| 22:28.04 | jelly-home | nothing works? |
| 22:28.13 | xDD | Any idea why the gnome network manager keeps asking for wpa keys every time even though I haven't checked the the box for it to ask for it every time? |
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| 22:28.45 | xDD | And the key is even saved in the network manager thing from the gnome menu... so it has the key, why does it keep asking for it every time it's supposed to connect? |
| 22:28.53 | proq | jelly-home: just connecting in gnome |
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| 22:29.10 | xDD | BTW Why does network manager show the passwords/keys without requiring any root privs wtf? |
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| 22:30.45 | xDD | Like is this by design? Seems so dumb from a security standpoint. |
| 22:33.37 | ectospasm | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.36 | xDD | Well that's not what I want, is there any alternative other than manually using wpa_supplicant with custom scripts? |
| 22:34.57 | ectospasm | xDD: I don't know of any |
| 22:35.04 | themill | you don't need any custom scripts |
| 22:35.26 | torrancew | xDD: I like wicd for my network managing needs |
| 22:35.41 | xDD | It's dumb as hell and I have friends who had their network accounts (which == uni accounts) broken into cause some guy copied their password from network manager |
| 22:35.55 | proq | xDD: you can have it connect from /etc/network/interfaces, which will happen at startup |
| 22:36.23 | proq | xDD: wpa_supplicant may not be necessary in this case |
| 22:36.44 | xDD | So I can add multiple wireless networks to /etc/network/interfaces and have it connect automatically? |
| 22:36.47 | themill | xDD: unless you mark it as being a "system connection" then your credentials are not available to other users |
| 22:37.01 | ectospasm | xDD: that's their fault for not locking their terminals... |
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| 22:39.18 | xDD | Well when you're writing some source code together for a project, you don't want to have to lock the laptop everyone is using everytime you go away for a sec |
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| 22:39.34 | proq | xDD: I kind of see it the other way around. I find it incredibly dumb that I don't have a network connection until I type in a keychain password, *every* time I log in |
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| 22:39.54 | proq | xDD: this for an account that I just typed in my name and password |
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| 22:40.06 | xDD | proq: eh? it should be connecting at startup independently of gnome imo |
| 22:40.26 | proq | xDD: no, I'm referring to network manager |
| 22:40.29 | xDD | it's incredibly annoying when gnome breaks and I have no network connection to get new packages installed |
| 22:40.51 | themill | xDD: why? if the connection requires you to individually authenticate, then it should be done as part of your login, not at system level |
| 22:41.06 | radix | Is there something like apticron (or a way to configure apticron) that knows about security updates in particular and will only send me notifications only when the update is a security fix? |
| 22:41.17 | radix | -redundancy |
| 22:41.32 | xDD | hmm yeah but what if you see the connection as sort of a "root"-level resource? |
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| 22:41.43 | themill | radix: if you're tracking stable, then that's all you will be getting anyway |
| 22:41.49 | xDD | Most laptop users probably are the only ones using their system anyway |
| 22:42.08 | radix | themill: I use backports for one package :-) |
| 22:42.15 | ectospasm | next time, don't share your personal laptop, use a lab machine. |
| 22:42.43 | themill | radix: and you never want updated backports for that package? |
| 22:42.57 | xDD | but when you're not in the lab? anyway it's not me, it's a friend who got his password stolen out of network manager's config UI :P |
| 22:43.00 | radix | themill: I might, occasionally, but I don't want to get spammed about it. |
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| 22:43.05 | proq | xDD: if I saw it as a root-level resource, I would try to move it to /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 22:43.22 | xDD | proq: Yeah but why not expose that by the UI? |
| 22:43.30 | themill | radix: change the pinning for the backports repo then. |
| 22:44.38 | xDD | Anyway I'm still trying to update this VM, it downloads 2-10 packages and then blocks at 0% until I Ctrl+C and run it again... :/ |
| 22:45.10 | radix | themill: I have this package pinned to the backports repository now; I'm not sure what you're suggesting. Is there some pinning configuration that will let apticron notify me when the package has a security update? |
| 22:45.31 | xDD | I don't understand how my package manager can be so broken. |
| 22:45.39 | xDD | aptitude never even reports any errors, just says there's nothing to update |
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| 22:46.04 | xDD | apt-get has hash mismatch errors and when it doesn't, it just hangs every couple packages while downloading |
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| 22:46.51 | themill | radix: there's no way of knowing when that backport gets a security update as opposed to just a new version being uploaded; all you can do is set the pinning for backports to be 1, then updates won't be installable so you won't find out about them |
| 22:47.03 | xDD | On another note, Sony seems to be in some huge trouble now.. |
| 22:47.10 | radix | themill: well, it's in the changelog... |
| 22:47.19 | radix | but okay, I guess there's no simple way. |
| 22:47.50 | xDD | Constants as RNGs for ECDSA, PSN hacked through an old Apache version, now SOE hacked as well and confirmations of stolen CC info |
| 22:48.04 | rgr | is there any news of a backport of chromium-browser 11 for squeeze? |
| 22:48.11 | xDD | How can this huge corporation be so bad at security? |
| 22:48.37 | magic_mage | deb6 had what xen? 3? 4? |
| 22:48.38 | ectospasm | xDD: afterthought... |
| 22:48.47 | magic_mage | include virt-manager? |
| 22:48.49 | xDD | http://www.soe.com/securityupdate/ |
| 22:49.25 | xDD | But getting hacked again one week after being hacked? That's just freaking embarassing |
| 22:49.33 | themill | rgr: you'd look at the backports mailing list for that information⦠|
| 22:49.34 | xDD | Both times all consumer information stolen |
| 22:49.37 | jelly-home | xDD: how is this even remotely Debian related? |
| 22:49.49 | xDD | Dunno, security related I guess? |
| 22:49.55 | rgr | yes, and I could look in the manuals for most Qs asked here too. |
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| 22:50.08 | themill | rgr: problem solved then |
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| 22:50.20 | jelly-home | xDD: nah, please use #debian-offtopic for things other than debian tech support |
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| 22:50.26 | xDD | ok |
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| 23:08.04 | fredden | what's the typical turn-around time for bugs in debian with patches? |
| 23:08.09 | fredden | I've been waiting for a while now |
| 23:09.31 | rypervenche | Why would my gnome-notification not be loading? Could something have stopped it from loading? Or is there anyway I can find out what is preventing it? |
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| 23:11.04 | jelly-home | fredden: depends on the maintainer and their business, coukld be days, can be years :-| |
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| 23:13.42 | Onryo | funny, I am installing VMtools and it says /usr/bin/gcc is not a valid path. Emmm I am looking at the link for gcc 4.4 there now? What am I doing wrong? |
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| 23:15.06 | Onryo | well the link says gcc and the folder that is is pointing at is gcc-4.4. Both under /usr/bin |
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| 23:16.43 | magic_mage | hey does debian have xen 4? |
| 23:16.46 | magic_mage | deb 6? |
| 23:16.50 | magic_mage | or 3? |
| 23:16.55 | magic_mage | and is virt-manager included? |
| 23:16.57 | magic_mage | or naa? |
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| 23:18.45 | babilen | magic_mage: http://packages.debian.net |
| 23:19.04 | Iridos | fredden, right... some of them react pretty quickly while on some packages... supplying a patch might also help to provoke a response more quickly |
| 23:19.11 | themill | magic_mage: http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
| 23:19.20 | Onryo | ahh I see it wants the full path to the binary of gcc. Where would that be? /usr/bin ? |
| 23:19.38 | Iridos | "type gcc"? |
| 23:19.56 | Iridos | or 'whereis' if you're of the non-bashish persuasion |
| 23:20.38 | fredden | thanks jelly-home, Iridos |
| 23:20.43 | Onryo | Oh I am into bash. Yes I see that gcc is indeed installed. |
| 23:21.10 | fredden | Iridos, in these (three) cases, the patch has been there for around a month, and the bugs themselves for /much/ longer (one is over two years old) |
| 23:21.35 | Iridos | fredden, what package is it? |
| 23:21.38 | Onryo | sudo aptitude install gcc-4.4 linux-headers- `uname -r` -y .did that too |
| 23:22.03 | fredden | Iridos, keepalived & adduser |
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| 23:24.03 | fredden | Iridos, if you're interested: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=561864 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=619415 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=614562 |
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| 23:24.23 | magic_mage | thanks doodz |
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| 23:25.31 | flock-_ | hello. |
| 23:25.52 | flock-_ | I need help. How I change my kernel? I use OVH dedicated server and I dont want grsec |
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| 23:32.58 | Iridos | fredden, mind that mostly security patches go into squeeze quickly, everything else waits for point releases... guess there should have been _some_ reply within a month, thoug |
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| 23:33.15 | daemonkeeper | flock-_: Get rid of the tampered Debian repository OVH offers, reinstall Debian kernel and be happy. |
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| 23:34.12 | jeremyS | The debian package for lesstif seems to include a libXm.a which is not PIC code. |
| 23:34.37 | magic_mage | lxc > xen? |
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| 23:35.25 | jeremyS | Is this how it is supposed to be? |
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| 23:36.42 | Onryo | Just out of curiosity is there a reason that Firefox is not in the repo? |
| 23:36.43 | fredden | Iridos, thanks. nothing's changed in VCS trees, so maybe it's just a slow month. |
| 23:37.10 | jeremyS | Onryo: I believe licensing issues for the trademark. |
| 23:37.12 | fredden | Onryo, it's there, but called "iceweasel" instead, as firefox is trademarked and debian doesn't like it |
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| 23:37.43 | Onryo | jeremS and fredden that is a good enough reason for me. |
| 23:37.56 | Pirigosao | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.59 | sylecn | ,why iceweasel |
| 23:38.16 | sylecn | !why iceweasel |
| 23:38.16 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 23:38.18 | daemonkeeper | fredden: That's wrong |
| 23:38.34 | daemonkeeper | fredden: Its Mozilla which did not like Debian using their trademark. |
| 23:38.43 | daemonkeeper | See the factoid for more information |
| 23:39.08 | Onryo | sylecn Firefox is just a spinoff name of Mozilla. They just got emo with their name. Iceweasel is more or less the same code |
| 23:39.12 | Iridos | fredden, of course, you can hardly threaten to cut his pay in case he doesn't react promptly :-P |
| 23:40.50 | fredden | Iridos, fair point. :) |
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| 23:41.26 | daemonkeeper | Onryo: FWIW it is exactly the same code, except of the name, artwork (i.e. logo) and the update manager. |
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| 23:41.53 | fredden | daemonkeeper, thanks for the info. I always thought it was debian not liking the licencing, as other distributions don't seem to rename firefox by default |
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| 23:42.06 | daemonkeeper | fredden: Mozilla got crazy. |
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| 23:42.24 | fredden | daemonkeeper, on my Gentoo systems, I have the option, and if I choose mozilla branding I get a warning about redistrubution |
| 23:42.40 | themill | Pirigosao: please turn that off in #debian |
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| 23:43.09 | gauge | hey, I'm backing up my data to a usb drive, is 'cp -r' the way to go? or is there a better way to move a terabyte of data to a USB drive? |
| 23:43.19 | daemonkeeper | fredden: It was more about the handling of patches, which is non-existant for Gentoo |
| 23:43.29 | Pirigosao | <>-themill-<>: ok sir, sry |
| 23:43.31 | kgoetz | gauge: rsync is always a better way to move data then cp |
| 23:43.34 | jeremyS | gauge:rsync I would think |
| 23:44.05 | jeremyS | Are .a libraries installed in debian packages supposed to be position independent code? |
| 23:44.11 | gauge | cool, I've been waiting for a chance to explore using rsync. Could your give me an emample useage? |
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| 23:45.11 | torrancew | gauge: depends on if you just need the data copied, or the permissions, etc preserved |
| 23:45.14 | babilen | gauge: Is this for regular backups? |
| 23:45.25 | fredden | rdiff-backup is good too |
| 23:45.30 | sylecn | sample usage: rsync -i -h --delete-during -a -r /backup /mnt/backup/ |
| 23:45.45 | themill | jeremyS: see §10.2 of policy. (tl;dr == no) |
| 23:45.51 | DasEi | gauge: is the right way, maybe add a P to see the progress ;) |
| 23:46.01 | gauge | DasEi: Thanks! :) |
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| 23:46.38 | kgoetz | sylecn: -a includes -r |
| 23:46.53 | DasEi | gauge: also might do as root, then change the usb afterwards to desired ownership, just case of any permissions |
| 23:46.54 | kgoetz | and i'd say anything including --delete is not eqilvilant of cp -r |
| 23:47.18 | gauge | awesome |
| 23:48.00 | gauge | what exactly is '-a' ? achive mode? whats that mean? |
| 23:48.04 | Iridos | gauge, you might want to look at "rsnapshot" for incremental backups that hard-link unchanged files between versions (if the stick has a file system that allows hard linking) |
| 23:48.19 | DasEi | gauge: sudo rsync -Pr /path/to/dir /media/usb (or whatever here) && sudo chown -R UserNameHere /media/usb |
| 23:48.21 | fredden | daemonkeeper, am reading the wikipedia article now. afaik, the Gentoo way is to fix packages upstream if possible |
| 23:48.21 | babilen | gauge: Is this for regular backups? |
| 23:48.27 | kgoetz | gauge: ref man page , it has proper descriptions of all options |
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| 23:49.01 | daemonkeeper | fredden: That's not different for Debian. Difference is, Gentoo just upgrades to a new version which is fine for Gentoo, Debian handles this different. |
| 23:49.12 | magic_mage | ly |
| 23:49.12 | gauge | babilen: I'm reinstalling debian, backign up EVERYTHING then starign from scartch. |
| 23:49.22 | magic_mage | debian is free |
| 23:49.24 | magic_mage | I love that |
| 23:49.29 | magic_mage | archlinux is pretty nice |
| 23:49.30 | DasEi | gauge: if it's a recurring job, either u option or a whole app like unison maybe of interest |
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| 23:50.00 | flock-_ | I need help. How I change my kernel? I use OVH dedicated server and I dont want grsec |
| 23:50.07 | flock-_ | I just want to change to std |
| 23:50.11 | babilen | gauge: Ok (I would have recommended dedicated backup tools otherwise) |
| 23:50.14 | DasEi | gauge: ah I see, yes can go that way, and can also resume, if TB's dry your time-window |
| 23:50.35 | gauge | coool. wow, I'm savign all this to a file, so much info here! |
| 23:50.42 | kgoetz | flock-_: you've been given an answer to that already |
| 23:52.02 | flock-_ | I am sorry probably timedout |
| 23:52.06 | flock-_ | because I didn't read. |
| 23:52.09 | daemonkeeper | <daemonkeeper> flock-_: Get rid of the tampered Debian repository OVH offers, reinstall Debian kernel and be happy. |
| 23:52.15 | flock-_ | ok |
| 23:52.16 | Iridos | fredden, perhaps /msg dpkg stable |
| 23:52.18 | flock-_ | thats not a answer lol |
| 23:52.22 | babilen | gauge: If you are after backuptools I would recommend dirvish. Others to take a look at comprise: backuppc, rdiff-backup, rsnapshot, bakula, amanda, ... |
| 23:52.23 | daemonkeeper | It is. |
| 23:52.25 | DasEi | flock-_: you have been answered; apt-cache search linux-image > choose one, search for installed ones in synaptic > complete-removal |
| 23:52.26 | flock-_ | nah |
| 23:52.29 | Onryo | daemonkeeper yeah I see that. I am in about:config and see that nothing is different here. Good move on the part of Debian. Not to mention it is a joy to know there are zero blobs in my kernel. Never going back to any other *nix. |
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| 23:53.31 | flock-_ | I ask you how to change (reinstall) my kernel to other: your answer: reinstal debian and be happy |
| 23:53.35 | kgoetz | testing: DO NOT do that |
| 23:53.43 | daemonkeeper | flock-_: I said reinstall the /kernel/ |
| 23:53.54 | flock-_ | well OK. |
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| 23:53.57 | flock-_ | you be happy. |
| 23:54.22 | Strav | he. Question: what could prevent me (as root) to run mount -t smbfs -o username=strav,password=mypassword //192.168.0.150/share/ /mnt/, while: //192.168.0.150/share/ /media/raid/ smbfs username=strav,password=mypass 0, 0 works fine in my fstab? |
| 23:54.51 | daemonkeeper | flock-_: What exactly do you want to head? I told you how to proceed as did tell you DasEi |
| 23:55.07 | daemonkeeper | *hear |
| 23:55.12 | fredden | Strav, passwords differ |
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| 23:55.29 | Strav | fredden: nah they're the same of course |
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| 23:56.54 | Strav | fredden: oh no... you're actually right. |
| 23:57.10 | kgoetz | fredden: nicely caught :O |
| 23:57.11 | Strav | fredden: oh no... had a typo in my manual mount. :( |
| 23:57.38 | Strav | brbr |
| 23:57.40 | DasEi | Strav: checkout man smbmount |
| 23:57.56 | Iridos | fredden, haha... 100 points |
| 23:58.17 | fredden | woop. and I thought I was being cheeky. :) |
| 23:58.25 | flock-_ | well daemonkeeper i got the bzimage of debian kernel that I want already on /boot. I just need to know how to change to this one. but ok. |
| 23:58.36 | DasEi | Strav: sorry, different OS |
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| 23:59.36 | buhman | I'm suddenly getting very interesting output from aptitude: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/381843/ |
| 23:59.44 | anoninon | would a memory mapped file ever use up swap space or just free ram? |
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