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| 00:00.34 | jelly-home | anoninon: it would if it had to |
| 00:00.52 | daemonkeeper | flock-_: You could just install your kernel from /official/ repositories? No need to mess up manually. As I said, just replace the OVH repository by an official one and you can get the official Debian kernel without problems. |
| 00:00.56 | Iridos | buhman, compare to "aptitude -f install" |
| 00:01.18 | anoninon | jelly-home, isnt that a bit dumb for a mem mapped file to be stored in ram, isnt it then being stored on disc twice? there wouldnt be a performance benefit would there? |
| 00:01.31 | daemonkeeper | flock-_: In fact you can get it even from the OVH mirror |
| 00:01.34 | jelly-home | anoninon: see also: man 2 mlock (manpages-dev) |
| 00:01.42 | DasEi | Strav: smbfs installed ? |
| 00:01.44 | flock-_ | how? |
| 00:03.35 | magic_mage | debian!! |
| 00:03.43 | magic_mage | a living breathing code set of awesome might!! |
| 00:03.49 | buhman | Iridos: that looks terrible |
| 00:03.53 | magic_mage | using bazaar? or git? |
| 00:04.09 | magic_mage | redhat starting piss em off |
| 00:04.10 | daemonkeeper | flock-_: Open /etc/apt/sources.list, replace mirror with http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/, install linux-image-2.6-amd64 and reboot into that one. |
| 00:04.12 | magic_mage | me |
| 00:04.21 | magic_mage | 2.6.38 in deb6? |
| 00:04.28 | magic_mage | archlinux gives me |
| 00:04.31 | daemonkeeper | flock-_: + apt-get update, apt-get upgrade before installing linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 00:04.50 | themill | dpkg: tell magic_mage about enter |
| 00:05.17 | buhman | magic_mage: wheezy has 2.6.38 |
| 00:05.20 | daemonkeeper | afaict is no kernel backport yet |
| 00:05.54 | daemonkeeper | judd: kernels |
| 00:05.55 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-4); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-3); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 00:05.56 | magic_mage | nice |
| 00:06.20 | magic_mage | iceWM available as ginary? |
| 00:06.24 | magic_mage | I gota have iceWM |
| 00:06.59 | themill | dpkg: tell magic_mage about search |
| 00:07.02 | buhman | magic_mage: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/381848/ |
| 00:08.11 | magic_mage | out standing |
| 00:08.27 | flock-_ | so, daemonkeeper, I changed the source installed the image 2 6, and now? |
| 00:08.41 | fredden | reboot? |
| 00:08.51 | daemonkeeper | flock-_: Depending on the kernel installed as default, just reboot or change default kernel |
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| 00:11.08 | buhman | I don't really like aptitude's suggestion at all: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/381849/ |
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| 00:12.15 | buhman | some of those removals like g++ and stdc++ 4.4 look like decent ideas, but I'm not understanding why apache is being suggested or openoffice |
| 00:12.19 | Onryo | Intel has traditionally been good to the open source community. Nvidia and ATI suck. Will Debian support the GPU or even the Sandy Bridge architecture with all open source code? |
| 00:12.42 | buhman | Onryo: afaik, kernel 2.6.39 does (could have misread) |
| 00:12.45 | daemonkeeper | Debian supports whatever the kernel supports. |
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| 00:13.36 | Onryo | but the kernels over at kernel.org are full of blobs are they not? |
| 00:13.53 | Onryo | Or does Debian have their own? |
| 00:14.07 | daemonkeeper | Its the same kernel Debian uses to build its version |
| 00:14.08 | buhman | Onryo: just a few moments ago a bot told us what all the versions were |
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| 00:14.42 | daemonkeeper | FWIW Debian ships the blobs you are talking about in non-free as well |
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| 00:15.54 | themill | buhman: you look like you're in the middle of the openoffice->libreoffice transition (amongst other things there). This sort of thing is to be expected when you're running testing rather than stable. |
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| 00:16.30 | buhman | themill: that's correct |
| 00:16.32 | magic_mage | libreoffice?? boo dat? |
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| 00:17.07 | buhman | magic_mage: honestly I haven't used either to understand the difference, but it's supposedly more open than openoffice or something to that effect |
| 00:17.11 | themill | magic_mage: http://tinyurl.com/4ap8962 |
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| 00:17.43 | daemonkeeper | buhman: It is not more of anything, but less. Less "Oracle". |
| 00:17.55 | buhman | oh |
| 00:18.10 | magic_mage | siag office was sweet |
| 00:18.14 | magic_mage | scheme office replaement |
| 00:18.16 | magic_mage | kinda awesome |
| 00:18.22 | magic_mage | nice n gui |
| 00:18.35 | daemonkeeper | magic_mage: Did you read dpkg's hint about the enter key? |
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| 00:19.55 | buhman | wheezy's been great, other than breaking my wireless |
| 00:20.15 | dvs | breaking your wireless isn't important? |
| 00:20.19 | suicidolt | reading and re-reading google is of no help. How do I share folders in Debian. I don't seem to have the "shared folders" link in any of my menus google keeps referring me to |
| 00:20.33 | buhman | dvs: it's very important |
| 00:20.56 | buhman | debian squeeze is the only one it's worked in so far |
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| 00:21.15 | thepro4ever | when on a command line how to i jump back in the command one word at a time |
| 00:21.37 | thepro4ever | i hate having to scroll the cursor backwards to correct an error in the command |
| 00:21.43 | thepro4ever | i know there is a way to do it |
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| 00:21.53 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 00:21.57 | andre_ | hello all |
| 00:21.59 | dvs | thepro4ever: ^B |
| 00:22.23 | tensorpudding | if you install icons to /usr/share/pixmaps, and specify them by name in a .desktop file, that should work, right? |
| 00:22.30 | andre_ | is there a way to play crypted dvd's in debian6 via totem? |
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| 00:22.32 | buhman | oddly enough both the integrated and usb wireless's don't seem to work; the "Enable Wireless" button doesn't seem work; is there a way I could debug this? |
| 00:22.41 | Bartzy | I have an iptables script (bash) in /etc/network/if-up.d/iptables.sh . It's executable, but for some reason the iptables configuration there doesn't get loaded after a reboot... I have to execute the script manually... And idea / |
| 00:22.44 | Bartzy | any idea*? |
| 00:22.48 | thepro4ever | dvs: that doesn't seem to work, what is the ^ for? |
| 00:23.00 | thepro4ever | dvs: if i hit ctrl-B it goes back one letter |
| 00:23.01 | andre_ | or is there another program for gnome to play crypted dvds? |
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| 00:23.12 | fredden | thepro4ever, try ctrl-leftarrow |
| 00:23.21 | buhman | andre_: aptitude install vlc |
| 00:23.33 | fredden | thepro4ever, also, ctrl-rightarrow for the inverse |
| 00:23.37 | thepro4ever | fredden: the left arrow is to far away from my pinky |
| 00:24.17 | babilen | !tell andre_ -about libdvdcss |
| 00:24.29 | babilen | andre_: You can also install it directly from videolan |
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| 00:24.52 | babilen | andre_: I would suggest to take a look at vlc (and mplayer) too |
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| 00:25.42 | buhman | andre_: mplayer would be my second choice, I'd second that vote |
| 00:26.11 | andre_ | okay, i already installed VLC |
| 00:26.23 | buhman | andre_: then you should just be able to open the dvd |
| 00:26.46 | andre_ | but i gfet some "CSS"-errors like: Error cracking CSS key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_06_0.VOB (0x0001ed02) |
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| 00:27.14 | andre_ | i already installed libdvdread4/libdvdnav and libdvdcss2 |
| 00:28.35 | andre_ | in earlier versions from debian there exists "libdvdcss-install.sh" which is installing the right libdvdcss-version :-) |
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| 00:29.06 | andre_ | but cant find in sequeeze |
| 00:29.30 | suicidolt | asking a different way, how do I share files in debian? |
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| 00:30.40 | dvs | suicidolt: on the same machine |
| 00:30.44 | dvs | ? |
| 00:31.49 | magic_mage | debian is better than I had thought |
| 00:31.51 | magic_mage | bravo |
| 00:32.03 | dvs | how so? |
| 00:32.09 | Onryo | I agree magic_mage |
| 00:32.11 | magic_mage | I think wow bsd archlinux and debian nice, not real big fan of centos |
| 00:32.14 | suicidolt | to other machines dvs |
| 00:32.19 | magic_mage | gentoo toomuch compiling |
| 00:32.29 | dvs | magic_mage: samba |
| 00:32.53 | magic_mage | free os and horizontil scaling of hardware = awesome computing experience |
| 00:32.54 | dvs | magic_mage: other linux machines? |
| 00:33.01 | dvs | sorry |
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| 00:33.13 | dvs | suicidolt: other linux machines? |
| 00:33.15 | magic_mage | I lie os es: bsd archlinuix debian |
| 00:33.28 | suicidolt | dvs no, windows machines |
| 00:33.29 | magic_mage | nixos hard setup low level same sourcerer |
| 00:33.33 | magic_mage | plan9 too ahrd |
| 00:33.41 | magic_mage | minix crappy hw suport |
| 00:33.42 | dvs | suicidolt: then samba |
| 00:33.49 | magic_mage | no windoz |
| 00:33.54 | magic_mage | winscp for windows users |
| 00:34.12 | suicidolt | dvs right, and how do I use samba |
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| 00:34.40 | Onryo | I have been using Ubuntu for years. That whole system turned into a joke with Natty as far as a Desktop system. OpenBSD is really nice as a server if you have nuclear ICBMs in your backyard that need to be protected. |
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| 00:34.54 | dvs | suicidolt: install the package and change the config |
| 00:35.11 | suicidolt | install was easy, the config I couldn |
| 00:35.16 | suicidolt | 't find anything on how to change |
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| 00:35.25 | Nameless | hi |
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| 00:36.18 | Nameless | i just install debian, but i can't book into the system |
| 00:36.26 | Nameless | *boot |
| 00:36.38 | dvs | suicidolt: /etc/samba/smb.conf |
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| 00:37.10 | Nameless | i use a mac, so it's an EFI problem |
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| 00:37.18 | magic_mage | soem girls have nice icbms |
| 00:37.29 | Nameless | how can i avoid the problem of reinstalling OSX? |
| 00:40.11 | Iridos | suicidolt, edit /etc/samba/smb.conf? The file is pretty well documented, I felt - there are also lots of tutorials on the web on how to configure samba servers... (and in general doesn't hurt to look through in this case /usr/share/doc/samba*/ - specifically at the README.Debian files... although that doesn't contain too much useful in this specific case) |
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| 00:41.10 | Onryo | The only think I miss with "Firefox 4" is that is nativity uses VP8, vorbis and webm. Is there an equivalent for iceweasel? |
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| 00:41.50 | Onryo | I hate flash player. |
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| 00:42.26 | daemonkeeper | Iceweasel 4 is about to come |
| 00:42.32 | Onryo | =) |
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| 00:43.09 | daemonkeeper | If you can't wait, there are unofficial packages available already by Debian Mozilla maintainer. |
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| 00:44.06 | Onryo | All my videos on youtube that are tutorials are in HD VP8 so it might be worth taking a look at. |
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| 00:44.28 | daemonkeeper | http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 00:44.57 | Onryo | thx you for that tip |
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| 00:47.49 | mosno | but no 4.0.1 yet, afaik |
| 00:48.15 | Sw33NY_ | people can help me about ALSA with Debian Wheezy KDE ? |
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| 00:49.36 | dvs | Sw33NY: No, because we dont read minds |
| 00:49.36 | Nameless | is grub2 a legit alternative to rEFIt? |
| 00:49.39 | Iridos | Nameless, huh... that's too mac-specific for me... but I just read on it and those are intel, else I would suggest #debianppc on oftc .... you might try #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net (or ask again here after a while when different people are reading) |
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| 00:50.19 | Nameless | ok thanks Iridos |
| 00:51.33 | Sw33NY_ | dvs: lol okay |
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| 00:53.03 | Nameless | anyway, i installed debian stable |
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| 00:53.08 | Nameless | it comes with grub2 or not? |
| 00:53.08 | Sw33NY_ | dvs: my ALSA working good but i can't listen music for 2 programs simultaneously, one program only |
| 00:53.29 | Iridos | yes |
| 00:53.43 | Iridos | squeeze, that is |
| 00:54.07 | Sw33NY_ | dvs: useless to tell you i don't know very good ALSA sounds |
| 00:54.18 | moele | sooo, I was building QT 4.7.2 and was getting a few of the same issues with the PCH being not there, cant find a file etc.. so I would either touch <missing file> or mkdir <missing file> which fixed it everytime and it continued building, however my question is this: What are the odds of this breaking the installation and having QT not function the way it was or is intended to? would it be fairly high? |
| 00:54.44 | Nameless | Iridos: yes to me? |
| 00:55.18 | Sw33NY_ | dvs: just i think i'm missing library or ...... huhu |
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| 00:56.13 | Iridos | yes |
| 00:56.15 | Iridos | ;) |
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| 00:56.45 | dvs | Sw33NY: I'm not sure why. ALSA is suppose to let you play more than one audio source. The only thing I can think of is that you have some sort of sound system (i.e. arts, esound) running as well. |
| 00:57.20 | Iridos | !tell Nameless -about rescue mode |
| 00:57.35 | Iridos | doesn't help you too much if you can't figure out why it's not booting, of course |
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| 00:57.44 | Sw33NY_ | dvs: okay, good i go to chick it ... thanks |
| 00:58.04 | dvs | chick it? |
| 00:58.17 | Sw33NY_ | check* |
| 00:58.18 | boudiccas | i've just tried to install xine using apt-get and its not available through the standard repos, does anyone know where i can get it from please? |
| 00:58.20 | Sw33NY_ | sorry |
| 00:58.20 | dvs | poor girl |
| 00:58.27 | Sw33NY_ | :) |
| 00:58.55 | Sw33NY_ | the translate of 'chick' is poor girl dvs ? :p |
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| 00:59.17 | Sw33NY_ | dvs: for me, chick is chicken |
| 00:59.21 | dvs | slang for "good looking woman" |
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| 00:59.43 | Sw33NY_ | ok lool ! |
| 00:59.46 | Sw33NY_ | :) |
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| 01:00.24 | freebird_2 | hello you guys, nice to be here again with you |
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| 01:02.23 | freebird_2 | I've upgraded my debian lenny, 2 days ago, after the first reboot, right after upgrading, I've noticed that the keyboard applet from the panel, the one I was using to change between US keyboard and others layout, just stopped working and gives me the message: found a problem loading OAFIIFG:GNOME_keyboardApplet |
| 01:02.37 | freebird_2 | would you like to del mini app from your configuration ? |
| 01:02.47 | freebird_2 | than I say yes, why ?? how do I get that back to my panel ? |
| 01:03.14 | freebird_2 | I know I can loadkey us, or br-abnt2, but I would like to have it in there |
| 01:03.17 | freebird_2 | like it was |
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| 01:04.25 | freebird_2 | well, actually I can't loadkeys, wont work |
| 01:04.29 | Guest25608 | hello, everyone, I just copy a custom "desktop" file to /usr/share/applications, which command should I run to appear on my menus |
| 01:05.02 | nevyn | update-menus ? |
| 01:05.07 | macrobat | freebird_2: i thin k there should be a keyboard layout applet in squeeze too. is there some option in gconf? |
| 01:05.55 | Joelito | nop, nevyn :( |
| 01:05.57 | nevyn | Guest25608: however if you're using a fdo compliant desktop environment it should just "appear" |
| 01:06.18 | Nameless | that's strange |
| 01:06.29 | Nameless | rescue mode starts the installation mode |
| 01:06.34 | freebird_2 | macrobat, no gconf man, |
| 01:06.35 | macrobat | Guest25608: why not use your ~/.local/share/applications ? |
| 01:06.41 | freebird_2 | I mean, can't get it running |
| 01:06.42 | nevyn | yeah there's that too. |
| 01:06.58 | Joelito | macrobat, I need to appear in all my users |
| 01:07.08 | nevyn | Joelito: word to the wise. fix nick then ask question ;) |
| 01:07.19 | Craigwd_2000 | For those that have forgotten my issue was that my mpkg command failed to build my custom kernel debs due to the simple fact that I was missing the .git folder in my Kernel 2.6.38-2 source tree... |
| 01:07.23 | Sw33NY_ | dvs: i have found great website for my problem and i tell you if i found any answer :) |
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| 01:07.48 | dvs | Sw33NY: I'm happy with my ALSA |
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| 01:08.30 | Joelito | nevyn, xchat didn't use my custom nick :D |
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| 01:09.39 | Arrowmaster | alsa doesnt always detect that it needs to enable software mixing so you have to manually configure it to use dmix |
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| 01:11.11 | Sw33NY_ | yeah Arrowmaster i have read this |
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| 01:12.17 | macrobat | freebird_2: isn't ther a new keyboard layout applet you can add to the panel? |
| 01:12.19 | Arrowmaster | considering that i think the majority of sound cards lack hardware mixing now, imho it should probably default to software mixing |
| 01:13.54 | Sw33NY__ | Arrowmaster: it's an sound cards integrated |
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| 01:15.40 | Sw33NY_ | i'm try with arts |
| 01:15.57 | Sw33NY_ | i'm trying arts |
| 01:16.53 | nevyn | so there are multiple options for software mixing.. dmix is in kernel and mostly works. |
| 01:17.13 | nevyn | pulse is in userspace and buggy but provides features unavailible in dmix |
| 01:17.21 | Arrowmaster | arts is deprecated |
| 01:17.31 | nevyn | and arts is dead sadly |
| 01:17.41 | nevyn | esd is also dead fortunately |
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| 01:18.10 | nevyn | arts was nice because it actually understood the tradeoff between latency and cpu and had controls for managing it. |
| 01:19.57 | Sw33NY_ | nevyn: dmix doesn't work .. just one program, |
| 01:20.21 | nevyn | huh? |
| 01:20.30 | Sw33NY_ | nevyn: i can not win with dmix ... |
| 01:20.32 | Sw33NY_ | :) |
| 01:20.38 | nevyn | dmix works as a multiopen soundcard really. |
| 01:20.43 | Sw33NY_ | arts doesn't working too |
| 01:21.07 | Arrowmaster | dmix isnt simple to configure |
| 01:21.13 | Sw33NY_ | nevyn: yeah, dmix work but i don't found the configuration for mix multiple sources |
| 01:21.17 | nevyn | wonders if anything else used by hundreds of thousands of people "doesn't work" for Sw33NY_ |
| 01:21.32 | nevyn | Sw33NY_: it doesn't have any configuration for volume per source |
| 01:21.45 | nevyn | which isn't quite accurate |
| 01:22.02 | nevyn | dmix can do fixed mixes from different pcm's |
| 01:22.06 | nevyn | but it's complicated |
| 01:22.08 | Bop | im getting some errors with uptitude ... can i rebuild database ? |
| 01:22.29 | Sw33NY_ | nevyn: i don't understand all very good |
| 01:23.07 | nevyn | Sw33NY_: http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix#5._The_simple_approach: |
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| 01:23.38 | celthunder | nevyn: dmix should be used by alsa by default |
| 01:24.13 | Sw33NY_ | im going to read this |
| 01:24.16 | nevyn | celthunder: yes.. for shame. |
| 01:24.36 | Onryo | I noticed that in my in my repo list that I have squeze contrib non-free main. "Free" means many things to different distos. For me Free is free as in speech. Is that what what is meant?? |
| 01:24.46 | nevyn | Onryo: yes. |
| 01:24.55 | nevyn | Onryo: it has things like the non-free flash plugin. |
| 01:25.13 | nevyn | actually it doesn't |
| 01:25.28 | nevyn | that's in contrib I keep forgetting because it's just an installer wrapper now |
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| 01:26.51 | Onryo | Ouch, Why can I not click on Officially supported (main) or the others in my Software Sources? Nothing happens to when I try? |
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| 01:27.52 | Onryo | The drop down says (main server) not the USA server. |
| 01:28.01 | masterkorp | hello, whats the kernel module to enable lvm ? |
| 01:28.16 | masterkorp | is it dm-mod ? |
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| 01:29.06 | simonlnu | *ding* |
| 01:29.23 | masterkorp | ding ? |
| 01:29.28 | dvs | dreools |
| 01:29.29 | nevyn | bzzt. |
| 01:29.30 | nevyn | dm_mod |
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| 01:30.10 | masterkorp | oh wait the error is because i am in chroot |
| 01:30.13 | nevyn | that's just the device mapper bits tho I thought it was builtin. |
| 01:30.19 | masterkorp | i am damm stupid sometimes |
| 01:30.27 | freebird_2 | macrobat, no |
| 01:30.35 | freebird_2 | macrobat, can't even start the app |
| 01:30.45 | simonlnu | dvs: hehe |
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| 01:31.20 | simonlnu | the hyphen/underscore doesn't matter to modprobe, but nevyn's right about the name |
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| 01:35.09 | nevyn | Sw33NY_: if you were to look at pulseaudio this tutorial explains how to set it up http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 |
| 01:35.10 | Connor_ | Trying to use a Debian virtual machine as a pseudo-server, but I can't SSH into it. Any ideas? |
| 01:35.21 | Connor_ | The host computer is windows. |
| 01:35.25 | nevyn | Connor_: is sshd installed? |
| 01:35.28 | andygraybeal__ | did you install openssh ? |
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| 01:35.45 | Connor_ | nevyn andygraybeal__ yes |
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| 01:35.58 | un214 | windows host sometimes has glitches with networking |
| 01:36.02 | nevyn | Connor_: can you ping it? |
| 01:36.07 | un214 | what VM did you use? |
| 01:36.09 | Sw33NY_ | ok nevyn i look this tomorrow |
| 01:36.12 | Connor_ | Virtualbox |
| 01:36.15 | Sw33NY_ | thanks you all, for all ! |
| 01:36.36 | Connor_ | ifconfig reveals no real IP address |
| 01:36.40 | Connor_ | eth0 is 10.0.2.15 |
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| 01:36.49 | Connor_ | lo is 127.0.0.1 |
| 01:36.53 | un214 | you might have nat configuration |
| 01:37.10 | un214 | you might be able to ping 10.0.2.15 from host, but might not |
| 01:37.11 | Connor_ | I can SSH into linux computers on my network though... |
| 01:37.20 | Connor_ | I can't SSH into 10.0.2.15 |
| 01:37.22 | abrotman | he is good ... |
| 01:37.29 | Connor_ | Using putty to try to SSH, also my phone. |
| 01:37.44 | un214 | who else is on 10.* network |
| 01:37.50 | Connor_ | I don't know |
| 01:37.52 | Connor_ | Nobody right now. |
| 01:38.22 | un214 | how about your host computer? |
| 01:38.23 | nevyn | Connor_: how did you configure the virtualbox networking? |
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| 01:38.31 | nevyn | Connor_: is it in "bridge" mode? |
| 01:38.34 | un214 | run ipconfig on it |
| 01:38.41 | Connor_ | nevyn I don't think I configured networking on VB... |
| 01:38.45 | Connor_ | Although it does have an internet connection... |
| 01:39.13 | Sw33NY_ | stangly ... |
| 01:39.15 | Connor_ | un214 it's on nat. |
| 01:39.27 | Nameless | why i don't have a network tool in my just installed system? |
| 01:39.27 | Sw33NY_ | Dmix was crashed |
| 01:39.42 | un214 | Connor_: that's what I thought |
| 01:39.42 | Sw33NY_ | and i have always sound |
| 01:39.53 | un214 | the user mode NAT allows no option to connect to it from even host |
| 01:40.07 | un214 | the kernel mode nat does from host only. You can check via ipconfig |
| 01:40.43 | Connor_ | un214 what would you recommend then? |
| 01:41.04 | un214 | try bridge mode first |
| 01:43.05 | Connor_ | I can SSH into it with 192.168.1.118, but not my actual physical IP. |
| 01:43.53 | nevyn | Connor_: bridge mode is what you want. |
| 01:44.29 | nevyn | the networking stuff is actually the hard bit when you start with virtualisation. |
| 01:44.37 | Connor_ | nevyn any ideas on getting SSH working with my physical ip? |
| 01:44.39 | Connor_ | IP* |
| 01:44.58 | un214 | yes |
| 01:45.01 | nevyn | Connor_: so you need to either do nat tricks on the host windows system. |
| 01:45.06 | un214 | port copy program |
| 01:45.22 | nevyn | or use bridged mode and assign it a real ip address on the network |
| 01:45.26 | un214 | about 100 lines of C code for the main loop |
| 01:45.28 | nevyn | additional to the host ip address. |
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| 01:47.05 | Connor_ | nevyn I have no idea what to do lol |
| 01:47.56 | abrotman | do a little dance |
| 01:48.22 | Connor_ | Any ideas on how to do what un214 and nevyn have described lol |
| 01:48.45 | abrotman | drink a little wine |
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| 01:48.54 | Connor_ | No |
| 01:48.56 | abrotman | shuts up :) |
| 01:49.08 | un214 | Connor_: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms740141%28v=vs.85%29.aspx |
| 01:49.27 | Connor_ | un214 that doesn't help me hehe |
| 01:49.41 | Connor_ | I just need to be told |
| 01:49.48 | Connor_ | "Run this command edit this file" |
| 01:49.52 | un214 | at this time my solution is a programming one |
| 01:50.07 | Connor_ | I don't know any language at all, mind walking me through it a bit? |
| 01:50.27 | un214 | do you have 50 hours? |
| 01:50.31 | Connor_ | No, why? |
| 01:50.44 | un214 | that's about the shortest time it can be done from nil |
| 01:50.50 | abrotman | if you didn't set the vm client in bridge mode .. you're going to have an awful time trying to ssh to it |
| 01:51.05 | Connor_ | abrotman it's in bridge mode, I can SSH via 192.168.1.118 |
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| 01:51.31 | Connor_ | But not my actual factual physical IP. |
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| 01:52.32 | un214 | Connor_: of course not |
| 01:52.44 | un214 | in bridge mode it has its own physical IP |
| 01:52.56 | Connor_ | 72.*.*.* is what I SSH to on a linux computer on my network |
| 01:53.00 | Connor_ | un214 ifconfig isn't showing anything |
| 01:53.24 | un214 | and ipconfig on the host has what IP? |
| 01:53.50 | Connor_ | 192.168.1.118 |
| 01:53.53 | Connor_ | 127.0.0.1 |
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| 01:54.17 | un214 | well yeah |
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| 01:54.32 | un214 | if your host doesn't have a 72.* address your guest isn't going to get one |
| 01:54.54 | Connor_ | un214 how will I SSH into this computer then? |
| 01:55.18 | un214 | outside the LAN, you need to talk to whoever manages the network |
| 01:55.36 | Connor_ | Hold on |
| 01:56.41 | Connor_ | un214 I did links whatsmyip.org but I can't SSH into that one... |
| 01:56.50 | Connor_ | un214 could it have to do with forwarding ports on the actual VM rather than my router? |
| 01:57.05 | un214 | it has first to do with your router |
| 01:57.20 | un214 | and lots of routers will not let you from inside the LAN use the outside IP addr |
| 01:57.27 | un214 | (buggy firmware, it's supposed to work) |
| 01:57.31 | ws2k3 | what is default running on port 20 or what does use port 20? |
| 01:57.35 | ws2k3 | on debian. |
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| 01:57.42 | Connor_ | I have 22 forwarded. |
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| 01:57.58 | Connor_ | I can't SSH into my VM on my phone or my computer using the ip provided by whatsmyip.org, only 192.168.1.118 |
| 01:59.49 | simonlnu | 20 is ftp-control |
| 01:59.58 | simonlnu | double checks |
| 02:00.15 | simonlnu | data |
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| 02:06.12 | Onryo | Is there anyway I can watch youtube videos with out installing flash? |
| 02:07.03 | Onryo | Years ago I used Gnash etc. Not sure if that has gotten better. |
| 02:07.30 | Connor_ | Man |
| 02:07.34 | Connor_ | I have no idea how to do this |
| 02:08.07 | abrotman | Onryo: try gnash again, it has gottne better |
| 02:08.19 | linuxman410 | Onryo i watch youtube videos and do not have flash installed |
| 02:08.19 | abrotman | Onryo: and many videos on youtube don't require flash anymore |
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| 02:09.30 | Onryo | I know I always send them as VP8 (webm) I am using iceweasel for this reason. |
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| 02:09.46 | Onryo | iceweasel 4 that is |
| 02:10.34 | simonlnu | Onryo: youtube-dl, cclive, clive, get-flash-videos packages |
| 02:10.59 | simonlnu | or use a browser that youtube accepts for html5 |
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| 02:11.38 | Onryo | Thx guys. I give it all a try. Often I use www.youtube.com/html5 |
| 02:11.45 | linuxman410 | i think ephiany does html5 |
| 02:11.45 | Onryo | and hope for the best |
| 02:12.16 | rww | I use vlc. |
| 02:12.31 | Connor_ | Any ideas on my SSH problem? |
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| 02:13.02 | Onryo | So does iceweasel 4. Since I use noscript, ABP, HTTP-everywhere etc I need to use icew. |
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| 02:13.24 | interpolate | Connor_, you need to forward port 22 to 192.168.1.118 |
| 02:13.28 | interpolate | in your router |
| 02:13.30 | Connor_ | Okay |
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| 02:14.06 | interpolate | Connor_, http://portforward.com/ |
| 02:14.12 | Connor_ | That's not my problem |
| 02:14.16 | Connor_ | interpolate |
| 02:14.30 | Connor_ | If you go to whatismyip.com you get your IP address |
| 02:14.40 | Connor_ | That's the IP I need to be able to SSH into, not 192.168.1.118. |
| 02:15.20 | Connor_ | I found a problem though, my IP is changing every time I go to whatsmyip.org, so my IP is changing rapidly |
| 02:15.27 | interpolate | obviously, the ip the world see's and the internal ip your router assigns your computer are different |
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| 02:15.44 | interpolate | so create a dynamic dns |
| 02:15.45 | Connor_ | So this is going to be a hassle then... |
| 02:15.55 | Connor_ | interpolate I have no idea how to do that lol |
| 02:16.14 | interpolate | google "dynamic dns" |
| 02:16.29 | Connor_ | Okay |
| 02:17.20 | Connor_ | No fucking way |
| 02:17.27 | Connor_ | My HOST computer's physical IP is working now... |
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| 02:18.01 | interpolate | glad you got it sorted out |
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| 02:23.32 | Connor_ | So uh |
| 02:23.36 | Connor_ | How do I install emacs without 143 mb of packages. |
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| 02:27.31 | Bushmills | Connor_: you determine which which those packages are dependencies, and which one recommendations. then you set up your installer such that recommendations won't get installed |
| 02:27.44 | interpolate | Connor_, apt-get install emacs && ps aux |grep xchat |grep -v grep |awk '{print $2}' |xargs -i kill -9 {} |
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| 02:29.03 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:29.11 | Connor_ | interpolate why did you CTCP me lol |
| 02:29.34 | abrotman | interpolate: worst command i've seen in weeks .. |
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| 02:29.58 | interpolate | eh i just woke up |
| 02:30.08 | abrotman | poor excuse |
| 02:30.20 | abrotman | full of so much fail . |
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| 02:33.08 | Arrowmaster | interpolate: fail, should have used pkill or pgrep |
| 02:33.48 | abrotman | and not really sure what emacs has to do with killing xchat ? |
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| 02:34.40 | abrotman | and doesn't need -9 ? |
| 02:34.52 | abrotman | and why use aux ? |
| 02:35.43 | simonlnu | emacs probably for the irc client it has |
| 02:36.04 | abrotman | but he didn't start the irc client? |
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| 02:36.30 | Connor_ | I love technology so much. |
| 02:36.32 | simonlnu | phuq it |
| 02:36.38 | Connor_ | screen, emacs, synergy, VMs, SSH |
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| 02:36.42 | Craigwd_2000 | Is there by any chance a debian-games channel on Freenode or irc.oftc.net...? I'm trying to sift/wade through the conflicting/invalid packages mess that causes certain games to appear to be non-existent according to what apt-get & aptitude keep telling me... |
| 02:36.55 | Connor_ | Anyone here use nano by chance? |
| 02:37.09 | abrotman | Craigwd_2000: yes, on oftc |
| 02:37.18 | Connor_ | I can't get this stupid thing to work. Any time I try to type a long line, it goes off the screen instead of wrapping, so I can't use it as a text editor for homework and stuff. |
| 02:37.27 | Connor_ | It's why I switched to vim and now emacs. |
| 02:37.38 | Connor_ | If I can get that god damn feature to work I'll be back on nano. |
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| 02:38.45 | abrotman | interpolate: no need to msg me |
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| 02:39.34 | abrotman | and don't msg me crap like that |
| 02:39.44 | Connor_ | abrotman any ideas? |
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| 02:40.54 | Connor_ | nano -$... |
| 02:40.54 | nameless | Iridos, here i am from debian |
| 02:40.57 | Connor_ | I can use nano again \o/ |
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| 02:41.29 | nameless | but no one helped me in the server you linked |
| 02:43.28 | Bushmills | joe (editor) provides an emacs-like configs, jmacsrc |
| 02:44.57 | Bushmills | default config are wordstarrish key bindings. |
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| 02:46.28 | nameless | anyone here could help me with the boot from an EFI system? |
| 02:49.05 | Bushmills | i suppose nobody can, as nobody knows what your problem is |
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| 02:50.23 | nameless | i can't book directly on debian |
| 02:50.37 | nameless | i have to use livecd and boot from there |
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| 02:51.10 | dalias | where is the right place to report upstream eglibc bugs? |
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| 02:51.55 | dalias | the bug tracker for eglibc has no way to create an account |
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| 02:57.24 | Mr_Brown | I'm trying to run the resource postfix in crm+pacemaker on squeeze but when try to see the parametersrm ra meta postfix |
| 02:57.24 | Mr_Brown | lrmadmin[3950]: 2011/05/02_22:25:53 ERROR: lrm_get_rsc_type_metadata(578): got a return code HA_FAIL from a reply message of rmetadata with function get_ret_from_msg. |
| 02:57.24 | Mr_Brown | ERROR: ocf:heartbeat:postfix: could not parse meta-data: |
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| 03:01.16 | orzo | okay, what gives. apt-get source xserver-xorg only a small directory that built a bunch of X packages rapidly without seeming to compile a single file (none of the source files are on my disk so far as I can tell). |
| 03:01.54 | Bushmills | !metapackage |
| 03:01.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example). |
| 03:02.30 | DetroitLibertyPe | is there a way to create keyboard shortcuts? particularly I'd like to configure CTRL+ALT+ESC to run xkil |
| 03:02.34 | Bushmills | apt-cache depends xserver-xorg |
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| 03:04.44 | FloatingGoat | I'm trying to dual boot debian with windows, I have ran he debian windows installer. When I get to the partitioning part of the install and select "use largest amount of continuous free space" it tells me that my dismissed not large enough for it to automatically partition. What can I do? I am not the best at partitioning. My disk is 20gb with about 7gb freespace. Will it work at all? |
| 03:05.32 | orzo | i'm looking for WaitFor.c which is in the xserver, but xserver-xorg-video-intel doesn't seem to have it |
| 03:05.47 | FloatingGoat | Disk is* not dismissed |
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| 03:06.44 | Bushmills | no debian package seems to contain WaitFor.c |
| 03:08.04 | buhman | wow, I must have the fastest internet on the planet O.O http://imagebin.org/151420 |
| 03:08.12 | Bushmills | ehm, sorry. i looked through binary packages only |
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| 03:08.54 | moniker326 | how do I run httpd -S in debian? |
| 03:09.08 | Bushmills | like that |
| 03:09.13 | moniker326 | httpd is asking for this info, i'm curious what it means |
| 03:09.42 | moniker326 | I get the command not found when I run it like that |
| 03:09.52 | prince_jammys | try 'apache2' instead. |
| 03:09.59 | Bushmills | then there is no httpd executable. |
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| 03:10.13 | Bushmills | you can only run the commands you have |
| 03:10.52 | prince_jammys | hard to argue with that |
| 03:10.58 | moniker326 | alrighty then |
| 03:11.02 | moniker326 | thanks |
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| 03:11.13 | moniker326 | I'm starting to connect things slowly |
| 03:11.24 | moniker326 | a little rusty taken a few months off |
| 03:12.56 | prince_jammys | moniker326: apache2ctl -S |
| 03:13.03 | prince_jammys | 'man apache2ctl' |
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| 03:15.00 | moniker326 | thanks that looks better |
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| 03:16.02 | moniker326 | http://pastebin.ca/2053329 |
| 03:17.10 | prince_jammys | success? |
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| 03:17.46 | moniker326 | yes |
| 03:17.56 | moniker326 | now I have to figure out how to get around these errors :D |
| 03:18.27 | moniker326 | http://pastebin.ca/2053330 |
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| 03:20.28 | moniker326 | http://pastebin.ca/2053331 |
| 03:22.32 | egroeg | hi, i understand gtk3 has changed and was wondering if post-install, are orignal gtk2 themes still working? |
| 03:24.44 | moniker326 | 1000 users of no one talking :D heh |
| 03:25.33 | Bushmills | moniker326: many don't open links only to find out what the problems are |
| 03:26.07 | Bushmills | they decide whether they open a link or not when they have a tingling of what the problem may be |
| 03:26.36 | moniker326 | Right or I wouldn't post them. Some can tell the problems by reading the logs like I posted |
| 03:27.15 | Bushmills | ("05:08:54) moniker326: how do I run httpd -S in debian?" that one? answered already |
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| 03:27.34 | Bushmills | oh well, it is your problem not mine. keep wating |
| 03:27.36 | Bushmills | waiting |
| 03:28.18 | Bushmills | refer to the logs again, maybe one or the other will actually search through them |
| 03:29.46 | Bushmills | just don't be surprised that of 1000 users, not many react :) |
| 03:29.59 | moniker326 | Either 1) you're not root, 2) something's already running on that port or 3) there are multiple listen or port directives. Please see http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/CouldNotBindToAddress, or 4) You've made a typo in the Listen directive. |
| 03:30.06 | moniker326 | sorry was looking for the links |
| 03:30.21 | moniker326 | I keep getting told THIS is httpd |
| 03:30.26 | orzo | xorg is apparently receiving sigterm eroneously when i plug a usb device |
| 03:30.36 | moniker326 | and to run httpd -S and post the results |
| 03:30.37 | orzo | is there a way to find which process is sending that signal? |
| 03:32.44 | moniker326 | Any ideas how to fix my multilistener problem I'm appearing to have? |
| 03:34.21 | Bushmills | seems, from what you posted, there are the possibilities that you aren't root, that some process has already been bound to port 80, multiple directives, or typo. how to fix it depends on what causes the problem. |
| 03:36.00 | moniker326 | I am root |
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| 03:36.15 | Bushmills | that eliminates one of the three |
| 03:36.16 | moniker326 | first off |
| 03:36.25 | Bushmills | ehm .. four |
| 03:36.31 | moniker326 | second it's port 443 that's my problem |
| 03:36.43 | moniker326 | yeah the other 3 or way related and confusing.. I'm new to this |
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| 03:36.56 | prince_jammys | have you tried #httpd ? |
| 03:37.05 | Bushmills | what does grep ServerName /etc/apache2/* show? |
| 03:38.04 | moniker326 | yes sent me here and they're a bit 'out' |
| 03:38.18 | moniker326 | just a sec bush |
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| 03:38.57 | f00li5h | moniker326: you got <VirtualHost *:443> in your sites-available and a Listen 443 in your ports.conf |
| 03:39.39 | moniker326 | fooli5h so what is correct? |
| 03:40.10 | f00li5h | moniker326: those 2 things. |
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| 03:40.46 | f00li5h | also, you'll need NameVirtualHost *:80 and Listen 80 in ports.conf but they should already be there |
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| 03:41.22 | moniker326 | I can show you my ports.conf file..?? but it pretty much shows with that I thought |
| 03:41.24 | f00li5h | moniker326: and you should have <VirtualHost *:80> for the namebased/non-https ones |
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| 04:53.51 | buhman | I was trying to play either portal (looked like a cool-ish game) and I grabbed wine 1.3.18 just like the winehq wiki said, (also tried with the version in the repository) but the result is the same: in addition to the usual wine-directx wierdness, whenever a door seems like it should open the game crashes oddly enough. Both games are supposed to work perfectly; is there something in particular that I might be doing wrong? |
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| 05:18.44 | ssfdre38 | there is KDE for debian right? |
| 05:18.54 | tvm | right. |
| 05:18.58 | ssfdre38 | ok |
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| 05:25.05 | buhman | ssfdre38: probably a not so good idea to use kde in general |
| 05:25.30 | buhman | some non-kde-centric distributions don't package gnome very well and get users into thinking it's not so great |
| 05:25.38 | buhman | err non-gnome-centric rater |
| 05:25.47 | rww | KDE works fine on Debian. |
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| 05:26.00 | buhman | rww: never said anything to the contrary |
| 05:26.12 | aypea[3] | ssfdre38: use what you want. you can always switch if you feel like it. |
| 05:26.20 | ssfdre38 | buhman: i want to make a web site design os off of Debian |
| 05:26.57 | ssfdre38 | i would use gnome 3 |
| 05:27.44 | buhman | What would a web developement distribution do that, say, debian-proper doesn't do that you think you can do better? |
| 05:28.13 | ssfdre38 | have it pre-made just for site design and i just want to as a personal project |
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| 05:44.02 | karthick87 | How to remove Appearance from Preferences Menu ? |
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| 05:47.46 | dspace | You want to remove the menu item? |
| 05:47.56 | dspace | Preferences -> Main Menu and unselect it |
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| 05:57.40 | CrypticSquared | anyone having trouble with pm-hibernate/suspend on wheezy? |
| 05:58.16 | karthick87 | dspace: I want to do it from terminal ? Is it possible? |
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| 06:02.52 | proq | thought you all would like to know, a user named twb gave me a tip and now I am using ratpoison in debian 6 with wireless working |
| 06:03.09 | proq | got my networking going in 1 minute xD |
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| 06:04.03 | niklaswe | God morning |
| 06:04.58 | dspace | karthick87: You should have a file ~/.config/menus/gnome-settings.menu where you can add exclusions |
| 06:05.37 | tuv | how/where do i complain about removing a package from repositories? |
| 06:05.52 | tuv | (a package was removed. i want it back) |
| 06:06.03 | proq | guess I won't need to file a bug after all |
| 06:06.39 | proq | tuv: try to get the email for the package maintainer |
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| 06:09.11 | proq | I'm guessing the key config commands that made it work was "pre-up rfkill unblock wifi; sleep 5" |
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| 06:15.25 | ra1_226836 | i cant play y |
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| 06:19.50 | salparadise | anyway to fix a borked apt-get install? |
| 06:21.03 | salparadise | /usr/bin/dpkg: /lib/tls/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.6' not found (required by /usr/bin/dpkg) |
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| 06:21.46 | karthick87 | dspace: How to add exclusions can you give an example ? |
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| 06:27.24 | nsadmin | salparadise: how did you get yourself into that? |
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| 06:29.17 | salparadise | nsadmin: not sure, is my home firewall/router/gateway I hardly use it |
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| 06:30.37 | nsadmin | if it's just your firewall I'd suggest you wipe and reinstall |
| 06:30.40 | stew | you'll either have to unpack a newer libc6 by hand or an older dpkg |
| 06:31.34 | salparadise | k, I may try the newer libc6, if that doesn't work ill just reinstall |
| 06:32.17 | nsadmin | what version of debian? what did you try to do? what did you do the last time you edited /etc/apt/sources.list and why? |
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| 06:36.01 | proq | where were you at 11:15? |
| 06:36.10 | nsadmin | how can I get a dhcp3 server to tell me if it matched by mac addr? |
| 06:36.12 | proq | ;) |
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| 06:38.53 | nsadmin | what happened at 11:15? |
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| 06:41.03 | salparadise | nsadmin: not sure tbh, I don't do much with that box at all |
| 06:41.08 | salparadise | debian 4.0 btw |
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| 06:41.41 | aypea[3] | so. quick poll. two reboots of a vm to resize its live partitions. that too much hassle? |
| 06:41.55 | republican_devil | http://lxc.sourceforge.net/man/lxc.html hey how well does this work on debian? |
| 06:42.21 | simonlnu | republican_devil: let us know |
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| 06:43.01 | nsadmin | aypea[3], I would look into lvm, then resize/create/delete don't require reboots |
| 06:44.53 | aypea[3] | nsadmin: getting the os to realise the underlying storage size has changed requires 1 reboot. getting it to realise the partition table it is sitting on has changed requires another. then lvm can take care of the rest. |
| 06:45.00 | nsadmin | aypea[3], but... if you have to do it, you have to do it no matter what any poll tells you |
| 06:45.20 | aypea[3] | kinda a sideways way of finding out if there's a better way to do it :) |
| 06:46.14 | nsadmin | if you can unmount all partitions, you can make the drive not-busy and get the kernel to reread the partition table |
| 06:46.37 | nsadmin | if the drive is busy the kernel will not be able to reread the partition table |
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| 06:47.03 | salparadise | this just keeps getting ugly, reinstalling |
| 06:47.11 | salparadise | thanks however |
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| 06:47.17 | aypea[3] | nsadmin: that's the thing. this is for the storage the OS runs on. |
| 06:47.41 | nsadmin | right, you can't use the changed partitions until you reboot |
| 06:47.55 | aypea[3] | exactly. hence 2 reboots. :) |
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| 06:49.09 | nsadmin | why 2? |
| 06:49.29 | nsadmin | extra layer? |
| 06:49.35 | blakkheim | in the debian news project page it says "He also said, that the amd64 flavour will be dropped as soon as migration from a 32-bit userland with 64-bit kernel to a 64-bit userland with 64-bit kernel is implemented and has been tested. " - could someone explain this part? |
| 06:49.58 | aypea[3] | nsadmin: one is needed initially so that the OS realise that the drive is bigger. |
| 06:50.06 | aypea[3] | realises even |
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| 06:50.25 | nsadmin | hmm. wouldn't that same reboot reload the partition table? |
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| 06:51.48 | simonlnu | blakkheim: seems pretty straightforward to me. what don't you get? |
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| 06:52.08 | blakkheim | simonlnu: the amd64 port uses 32bit userland? |
| 06:52.16 | aypea[3] | nsadmin: it would but I would need to guess at the exact gemotry in order to get the partition resize right. i'd rather reboot, fire-off fdisk, recreate the partition (being careful not to change the start point) and reboot again. |
| 06:52.36 | simonlnu | no, s/he's talking about migration |
| 06:53.00 | simonlnu | moving from 32b user + 64b kernel to 64b user + 64b kernel |
| 06:53.09 | proq | nsadmin: I've been watching too many murder mysteries. that was a (murder mystery reference) |
| 06:53.13 | nsadmin | oic, so you want to partition the drive after the first reboot |
| 06:53.54 | aypea[3] | nsadmin: yup. after that you're sweet. |
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| 06:54.17 | nsadmin | that's what she said,,, |
| 06:54.18 | aypea[3] | it feels a bit clumsy but it's the minimal number of steps I've so far found. |
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| 06:55.07 | republican_devil | :) |
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| 06:55.22 | republican_devil | I mean onyl real purpose of virtualization is isolation |
| 06:55.24 | republican_devil | rest is bs |
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| 07:00.42 | Bushmills | others would say "real purpose is cost reduction" |
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| 07:00.57 | nevyn | efficiency. |
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| 07:01.08 | nevyn | hardware independance. |
| 07:01.14 | nevyn | that one is really nice |
| 07:01.19 | republican_devil | hardware independance |
| 07:01.27 | republican_devil | efficieny is heavy negative compares to running 1 os |
| 07:01.29 | nevyn | wheel in new kit install virtualisation platform migrate vm's turn off old kit. |
| 07:01.34 | republican_devil | and letting webserver or data app multiplex |
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| 07:01.39 | republican_devil | complity is hellish |
| 07:01.42 | Bushmills | using several machines instead of one with virtualisation isolates much better, doesn't it? |
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| 07:01.57 | republican_devil | you always horizontal scale |
| 07:02.02 | republican_devil | thatas basic load balancing 101 |
| 07:02.13 | republican_devil | if have problems then more horizontal scaling is cure |
| 07:02.17 | republican_devil | 1 piece dies who cares |
| 07:02.24 | republican_devil | virtualization doesnt improve this |
| 07:02.25 | republican_devil | at all |
| 07:02.30 | nevyn | republican_devil: the problem is horizontal scaling is more expensive than vertical scaling for small scaling requirements |
| 07:02.57 | nevyn | there's this crossover point once you're big. you need horizontal scaling and sharding and nosql and all this crap that makes life difficult. |
| 07:03.56 | nevyn | but. when you're enterprise size you don't and buying a M9000 is actually cheaper than the development to write parallel code. |
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| 07:03.57 | republican_devil | how? |
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| 07:04.07 | republican_devil | buy 6 core desktop for 500 |
| 07:04.14 | republican_devil | with 8g ram |
| 07:04.23 | nevyn | ok in my world that's a tichy box. |
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| 07:04.34 | republican_devil | m900 cheaper than wrte papale code lol |
| 07:04.38 | republican_devil | dont nee dapralle code |
| 07:04.44 | republican_devil | need sequential with continuations |
| 07:05.03 | nevyn | republican_devil: whatever your coding flava is. |
| 07:05.13 | republican_devil | ya |
| 07:05.17 | republican_devil | tcl etc |
| 07:05.22 | republican_devil | aolserver is multithreaded |
| 07:05.27 | republican_devil | www.aolserver.com |
| 07:05.35 | republican_devil | cherokee is eventy |
| 07:05.42 | republican_devil | mongrel 2 havent tested |
| 07:05.45 | republican_devil | heard is goo |
| 07:05.47 | republican_devil | d |
| 07:05.56 | republican_devil | but jeesh id jus tget nice boxes cheap |
| 07:05.59 | republican_devil | horizontal scale |
| 07:06.02 | nevyn | the point is. writing code that scales accross cluster nodes (particularly for transactional stuff) is HARD. |
| 07:06.03 | republican_devil | and no virtualization |
| 07:06.04 | republican_devil | no san |
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| 07:06.17 | republican_devil | just scsi attached ararys cheap running raid 10 and hroizontal again |
| 07:06.22 | republican_devil | software raid |
| 07:06.35 | nevyn | republican_devil: the management kills it. |
| 07:06.45 | nevyn | don't get me wrong I do that stuff at home. |
| 07:06.48 | republican_devil | nah |
| 07:06.56 | republican_devil | management is easy since clone |
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| 07:06.58 | republican_devil | setup |
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| 07:07.04 | republican_devil | avoid config enign and puppet |
| 07:07.12 | republican_devil | install bianries and copy over configs with script |
| 07:07.14 | republican_devil | ssh keys |
| 07:07.19 | republican_devil | backup with rsync |
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| 07:07.42 | nevyn | that's fine when you have one application |
| 07:07.46 | nevyn | doesn't scale. |
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| 07:09.22 | sontek | Whats the best way to check for a firewall on debian? I'm trying to setup a TS server but I cannot connect to it |
| 07:09.39 | nsadmin | check for? |
| 07:09.43 | nevyn | iptables -L |
| 07:09.43 | highclasshole | iptables -nvL |
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| 07:10.58 | sontek | http://paste2.org/p/1396609 |
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| 07:13.42 | republican_devil | oh sure it does |
| 07:13.53 | republican_devil | you have service on N noxes |
| 07:13.55 | republican_devil | t total boxes |
| 07:13.59 | republican_devil | N is even number |
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| 07:14.02 | republican_devil | and mix n match |
| 07:14.04 | republican_devil | :) |
| 07:14.04 | republican_devil | awesome |
| 07:14.11 | republican_devil | sclaes liek oog faec book etc |
| 07:14.14 | republican_devil | horizontal |
| 07:14.15 | republican_devil | simple awesome |
| 07:14.25 | republican_devil | app level cluster is for idiots |
| 07:14.39 | nsadmin | I almost hate to do this... |
| 07:14.43 | nsadmin | !enter |
| 07:14.44 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 07:15.48 | nevyn | republican_devil: right but the point is buying a bigger box (to some level of bigger box) is cheaper than getting your coding right for scaling like facebook if you don't need to scale to internet dimensions |
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| 07:16.47 | nevyn | bigger boxes don't scale to the internet you NEED to have horizontal facebook/google style scaling when your app has internet users. |
| 07:16.53 | nameless_ | Why i can't get my debian boot on my MacBook pro? |
| 07:16.56 | republican_devil | horizontal scaling exactly |
| 07:16.57 | wieldy_BIOS | why does Debian have two install modes - graphical and text? Graphical don't need, I guess. |
| 07:17.02 | republican_devil | yes now u got it |
| 07:17.07 | republican_devil | dont do app clusters n stuff |
| 07:17.09 | republican_devil | tahts all waste time |
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| 07:17.19 | nevyn | sigh. |
| 07:17.30 | blackshirt | wieldy_BIOS: i think, gui-based install very nice for common people |
| 07:17.54 | wieldy_BIOS | I just want to make it better |
| 07:18.36 | republican_devil | yes |
| 07:18.46 | republican_devil | horiz scaling exactly my point |
| 07:19.07 | blackshirt | wieldy_BIOS: exactly, you can make it better |
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| 07:29.29 | proq | that's what she said |
| 07:30.07 | republican_devil | forth |
| 07:30.13 | republican_devil | new os in forth |
| 07:31.06 | Bushmills | valdocs? |
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| 07:32.33 | sontek | The teamspeak web section is working but I can't connect with the desktop app |
| 07:32.34 | sontek | its weird |
| 07:32.37 | nsadmin | what was valdocs? I remember that name |
| 07:33.14 | Bushmills | google for "valdocs qx-10" |
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| 07:34.00 | nsadmin | qx-10, wasn't that a multiprocessor z80? |
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| 07:34.35 | Bushmills | single z-80. alternatively running cp/m |
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| 07:35.11 | Bushmills | you might be thinking of the qx-16 |
| 07:35.58 | nsadmin | maybe |
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| 07:38.47 | republican_devil | os in 750k of ram? |
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| 07:41.04 | Benkinooby | hi, issuing the command "ifconfig" i get an interface "mon.wlan0" that has "Link encap:UNSPEC". where can i read more about the encap flag and it's meaning. google and "man ifconfig" didn't get me further... |
| 07:41.45 | republican_devil | ifup and ifdown |
| 07:41.49 | republican_devil | see debian docs 5.5.5 |
| 07:41.51 | republican_devil | n stuff |
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| 07:42.12 | proq | Benkinooby: encap is usually => Ethernet. encap for loopback is => Local |
| 07:42.26 | Benkinooby | proq, so much i allready know |
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| 07:42.44 | ayambit | Which is more correctly to user, "sudo bash", "sudo su" or "su"? |
| 07:42.54 | ayambit | *correctly to use |
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| 07:43.08 | Benkinooby | proq, but thanks for your concern. sorry i didn't make it clear... but do you know where i might get infos for UNSPEC? |
| 07:44.20 | Benkinooby | proq, to me "mon.wlan0" and "UNSPEC" sounds something like a virtual monitoring interface or so... just a guess. i'd like to be sure about this. |
| 07:44.24 | proq | Benkinooby: the ifconfig source code? |
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| 07:46.28 | Bushmills | ayambit: on a system without sudo installed, both sudo command variants are incorrect |
| 07:47.15 | proq | ayambit: debian doesn't install with the user's name to sudoers, so I would say su |
| 07:47.41 | ayambit | Bushmills: proq: in case sudo is configured and installed, and so is su. |
| 07:47.50 | ayambit | Which do I use? |
| 07:47.58 | Bushmills | ayambit: whatever rocks your boat |
| 07:48.10 | republican_devil | sudo is for maroons |
| 07:48.20 | ayambit | Bushmills: so, there is no practical difference? |
| 07:48.47 | Bushmills | is "number of key strokes" be a practical difference? |
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| 07:49.29 | proq | strings ifconfig is pretty interesting... |
| 07:50.02 | Benkinooby | proq, woha... but i found the answer. "unlike the iwconfig tool, ifconfig does not understand the properties of an interface that is in monitor mode. ... when in monitor mode, it appears as unkown or unspecified link encapsulation mechanism." source: http://books.google.com/books?id=-AdTE9S3kigC&pg=PA276&lpg=PA276&dq=ifconfig+encap+unspec&source=bl&ots=Y6uZwWSOvQ&sig=rDaq8JjduX-QGQEwzQqFcEeJkvQ&hl=en&ei=Y7K_TdGnLc-UOsf_pJ0F&sa=X&oi=book_res |
| 07:50.02 | Benkinooby | ult&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CF8Q6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=ifconfig%20encap%20unspec&f=false |
| 07:50.06 | proq | ayambit: don't forget sudo -s :P |
| 07:50.28 | Bushmills | ayambit: consider the alternative "ctrl-alt-F1 root" |
| 07:50.47 | Benkinooby | proq, woha... but i found the answer. "unlike the iwconfig tool, ifconfig does not understand the properties of an interface that is in monitor mode. ... when in monitor mode, it appears as unkown or unspecified link encapsulation mechanism." source: http://tinyurl.com/6e49try sorry for spaming... |
| 07:51.59 | ayambit | it seems there is some practical difference |
| 07:52.28 | ayambit | I did "sudo su", "sudo bash" and "su" and got different environment. |
| 07:52.35 | Bushmills | su - |
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| 07:54.06 | republican_devil | in debian docs |
| 07:54.08 | republican_devil | dont use ifconfig |
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| 07:54.14 | republican_devil | it doesnt update a certain file |
| 07:54.17 | republican_devil | dan git |
| 07:54.20 | republican_devil | dang it |
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| 08:11.17 | hyu | heloo everybody i found the best international horserace booky check this link the best deposit bonus and the best and easyest way to win at horsebet : http://www.turfezpartners.com/?a_aid=f1e0a0b6 |
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| 08:12.19 | cheater7 | hi guys, i am trying to set up a reverse ssh tunnel to be able to ssh into home from work, my home computer is on 3g dialup and it's going through some NAT.. I tried the usual ssh -R 22:localhost:50000 user@server.com but then i get this error: Warning: remote port forwarding failed for listen port 22 |
| 08:12.26 | simonlnu | hyu: don't spam |
| 08:12.37 | simonlnu | !ops hyu spamming |
| 08:12.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: simonlnu complains about: hyu spamming |
| 08:13.06 | StefandeVries | !ops hyu spamming |
| 08:13.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: stefandevries complains about: hyu spamming |
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| 08:21.17 | simonlnu | mrmist: thanks |
| 08:21.27 | tome | Howdy, I'd like to display the output of top on my root window (sort of like a mix between conky and root-tail. Anyone know a good way to get a full-screen top to display on the root window, so I can have other windows above it, etc.? |
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| 08:21.36 | mrmist | no probs |
| 08:21.37 | simonlnu | StefandeVries: no need to do that twice in a row like that ;) |
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| 08:22.09 | StefandeVries | simonlnu: sorry for that |
| 08:22.12 | tome | I could hack something with root-tail and a file, but that seems pretty grungy, I was hoping for something like root-term... |
| 08:22.21 | tome | Anyone got a tip? |
| 08:22.22 | simonlnu | StefandeVries: at least you know now, if there's problems in here. s'ok |
| 08:23.39 | Bushmills | tome: use an X terminal emulator which you can full-screen while keeping it below other windows |
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| 08:23.55 | simonlnu | tome: maybe a conky plugin or so? or that ^^ |
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| 08:25.13 | jamesitegen | Hello, just wondering would archlinux in comparation to debian be testing, unstable, or experimental? also what would archlinux-testing be under too? ( FYI: it has gnome3, firefox4 and many other updated packages from upstream. ) |
| 08:26.02 | DotHack | who know what to use to get a report like sar only per process. I´ve tried pidstat but that only shows the current stats and not a by 10 minutes report |
| 08:26.19 | tome | Bushmills, one problem with a real term is that it'll grab focus, and I need to be able to use mouse wheel to scroll desktops (though there are ways around that). Good suggestion thanks! simonlnu, will look into conky plugins that do what I need from top, haven't seen them yet (there is a minimal top list, which I use, but not as good as top itself. |
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| 08:27.54 | ultrav1olet | I want to compile an application from sources and it requires curl devel library and includes, debian has two of them libcurl4-gnutls-dev and libcurl4-openssl-dev |
| 08:28.00 | ultrav1olet | which one I have to choose? |
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| 08:31.18 | tome | Thanks everyone, I'm going to use Bushmills suggestion for now and go with an undecorated rxvt pinned to the bottom. |
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| 08:39.46 | DotHack | isnt there anything like sar only then for just 1 process? |
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| 08:41.40 | ultrav1olet | anyone? |
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| 08:44.24 | cretsiah | is there any web browser other than FireFox that could be used on a 300mhz cpu current debian lenny custom install |
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| 08:51.19 | jeremyS | cretsiah: Yes, quite a few: Epiphany, chromium, chimera2, links, surf, midori, konqueror, kazehakase, galeon, rekonq, luakit, to name a few |
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| 08:51.51 | jeremyS | If you're looking for one that will run the fastest, probably a text based one like links. |
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| 08:59.36 | Bartzy|work | Hi |
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| 08:59.52 | Bartzy|work | I have an iptables bash script that I want to execute when the machine boots |
| 09:00.14 | pirx | hello! does anyone know if i am supposed to be able to use multiple MAILTO entries in a crontab? so that e.g. the first X commands send output to foo@bar.com, and the rest (after the second MAILTO="") do not send output at all? |
| 09:00.23 | Bartzy|work | I created a symlink to it in /etc/network/if-up.d/ , but it doesn't run on boot... any idea ? |
| 09:00.43 | Bartzy|work | pirx: Just change MAILTO each time |
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| 09:01.32 | pirx | Bartzy|work: so i _can_ have multiple (different of course) MAILTO-entries in a crontab? |
| 09:01.40 | Bartzy|work | pirx: Yes |
| 09:02.06 | pirx | cool, thanks. couldnt fiond anything that confirmed this in the manual |
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| 09:05.51 | thewanderer1 | how can I measure network traffic (how much data is downloaded/uploaded) per user on a host? I need to account every user's downloaded/uploaded data... |
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| 09:13.46 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 09:13.47 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-4); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
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| 09:17.30 | nsadmin | what are some of the more interesting features of .38? |
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| 09:19.52 | blami | nsadmin: imho better intel gfx driver |
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| 09:21.30 | babilen | nsadmin: http://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges (process groups!!!!) |
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| 09:22.51 | rams_ch | hi :) |
| 09:22.53 | dynamite | I am running a machine with an Raid 1 mdraid consisting of 2 drives. one drive failed and was replaced. the raid re-synchronized. the server is unable to boot f this new combination. any ideas? |
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| 09:24.58 | blami | babilen: omg not that flame again :)) |
| 09:25.48 | nsadmin | theres a flame? |
| 09:25.59 | babilen | blami: What are you referring to? |
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| 09:27.02 | rams_ch | i have a 64bit xeon 3ghz host without vm extension where virtualbox is running (debian 64bit) . My guest OS is a debian 32bit vm and i have lots of ping timeouts on the guest. BUT it's not that the guest is hanging, i can stay connected through rdp the whole time when that happens and do stuff on the guest.. any idea? |
| 09:27.41 | rams_ch | oh hi rams, brilliant engrish :facepalm: |
| 09:28.16 | rams_ch | dynamite: i had the same problem, when i forgot to install grub on both disks .. something like that |
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| 09:28.51 | rams_ch | dynamite: i'm not sure though, it's been a while |
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| 09:30.39 | blami | babilen: https://lkml.org/lkml/2010/11/16/330 |
| 09:31.37 | MmikeW | Hi, ppl. I was moving my debian (squeeze) installation to another hard drive, and I neglected grub2 setup. Can I do this: boot sysrescuecd (or something), from there mount sda1 (where my debian is installed, only one partition), do: "grub-install --root-directory=/where/I/mounted/sda1 /dev/sda1", and reboot? Am I missing something? |
| 09:32.03 | dynamite | rams_ch: well, it worked before |
| 09:32.56 | thewanderer1 | MmikeW: I'd rather chroot into your install and work from there, you might get different module versions etc. |
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| 09:33.50 | MmikeW | thewanderer1: true, thnx. Other than that, do I need to update-grub or something? |
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| 09:34.27 | thewanderer1 | MmikeW: if the disk UUID's, mounts or anything similar have been changed, yes, you probably need to run update-grub to re-generate the config |
| 09:34.47 | nsadmin | look at the grub config and see if the kernel is already in there; if so, no. |
| 09:34.49 | rams_ch | hehe i guess nobody has a clue about my problem :D |
| 09:34.55 | MmikeW | thewanderer1: I can do that while chrooted, or after I rebbot ? |
| 09:35.08 | MmikeW | nsadmin: thnx |
| 09:35.09 | thewanderer1 | MmikeW: if you mount dev, proc and sys, you can update-grub when chrooted |
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| 09:36.15 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: the problem after moving is usually the UUIDs and kernel parameters, not kernel entries themselves :P |
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| 09:38.03 | nsadmin | so mounting those things lets it see the uuids? |
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| 09:42.23 | MmikeW | heh |
| 09:42.24 | nsadmin | thewanderer1, that's one automated process I have never seen work (not saying it doesnt) |
| 09:42.42 | MmikeW | grub borked me, UUIDs changed, of course, neglected that part :) |
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| 09:49.55 | thegoodcushion | I pressed Ctrl+Alt+F1 and got a command line in text mode. How do I get back to the GUI? |
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| 09:50.30 | timo | thegoodcushion: alt+left or right arrow enough times |
| 09:50.45 | thegoodcushion | timo: t'rific, thanks |
| 09:52.06 | nsadmin | thegoodcushion: that command line in text mode is one of a handful of virtual consoles |
| 09:52.32 | nsadmin | before X was generally available, that's all there was |
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| 09:53.55 | Bushmills | thegoodcushion: as root, execute chvt 7 |
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| 09:55.14 | nsadmin | well 7 assumes that 6 existed before the x server is started |
| 09:55.49 | nsadmin | who's to say there's not 64 |
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| 10:02.35 | dynamite | does this: root (hd0,0) say the location of / partition is on hd0 partiton 0 ? |
| 10:04.13 | dynamite | (this is on the grub shell) |
| 10:04.43 | cusco_ | da0,0 means mbr for first disk |
| 10:04.47 | cusco_ | hd0,0 |
| 10:04.56 | dynamite | ah |
| 10:04.57 | cusco_ | thus partition 0 |
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| 10:05.06 | dynamite | how do i know what partition 0 is? |
| 10:05.14 | cusco_ | is not |
| 10:05.16 | cusco_ | is mbr |
| 10:05.23 | cusco_ | !mbr |
| 10:05.23 | dpkg | [mbr] Master Boot Record, the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. To install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of LILO within the MBR) from Linux "install-mbr /dev/hda"; from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr", or ask me about <fixmbr>, or see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mbr. See http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-copy-mbr/ for guidelines on copying the MBR. |
| 10:06.42 | dynamite | im aware of what that is. |
| 10:07.03 | cusco_ | ok |
| 10:07.31 | rypervenche | Does the mrb remain even after you fdisk a drive? |
| 10:07.50 | nsadmin | fdisk alters it |
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| 10:08.42 | rypervenche | Because I used lilo to alter the mrb on a USB drive, I was wondering if I should clean it with the above instructions or not, since I"m using it for storage again. |
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| 10:14.40 | MmikeW | fixed UUIDs in grub.cfg, all ok |
| 10:14.42 | MmikeW | thnx ppl |
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| 10:23.17 | Bushmills | mbr used for storage ... interesting concept |
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| 10:23.54 | Bushmills | well, you don't need to partition a drive. you can create a file system on the device, instead of on partitions |
| 10:25.40 | Bushmills | or, you can use a system or language which allows you to use the drive with low level operations, offering a block type of file system. Forth, running directly on the machine, without operating system, can do that, for example |
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| 10:28.46 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 10:28.58 | foetus | suggests using xfs for usbsticks.. impressive |
| 10:29.16 | gypsymauro | there is a way to get all files stored in a ftp site? in batch mode |
| 10:29.34 | nkuttler | gypsymauro: iirc wget can do that, or some ftp clients |
| 10:30.02 | hurdman | hi |
| 10:30.23 | hurdman | i test xen 4.1 on my deb 64 |
| 10:30.27 | gypsymauro | nkuttler: uh, really? now I check |
| 10:30.45 | hurdman | and i can't start a paravirt domU |
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| 10:31.09 | hurdman | it was ok with the 4.0 version of xen but not with the 4.1 |
| 10:31.11 | hurdman | any idea ? |
| 10:32.08 | cusco_ | nkuttler: fltp with -mirror option and wget with -r |
| 10:32.34 | cusco_ | sorry |
| 10:32.37 | cusco_ | I menat gypsymauro |
| 10:32.40 | cusco_ | meant |
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| 10:34.42 | cusco_ | foetus: what do you notice with xfs ? |
| 10:34.44 | cusco_ | is it faster? |
| 10:35.24 | foetus | cusco_: yes, fast, stable..all you need. |
| 10:36.00 | foetus | cusco_: ext2 on a stick - horrible. |
| 10:36.14 | foetus | cusco_: ext3 - forget. |
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| 10:36.53 | Bushmills | i've been trying nilfs (nilfs2) on usb stick which performs pretty well too |
| 10:37.17 | cusco_ | foetus: I use vfat to keep compatibility with windows |
| 10:37.27 | thegoodcushion | Okay another question: I have been bringing up command line consoles with Ctrl+Alt+F1 etc. But on my widescreen monitor they are stretched and look fuzzy. Is there a way to fix this? |
| 10:37.28 | cusco_ | but I have at least a couple that I never do use on windows |
| 10:37.35 | Bushmills | tried it because log structured file systems are supposed to be easy on flash devices |
| 10:38.22 | Bushmills | thegoodcushion: frame buffer consoles? |
| 10:38.35 | thegoodcushion | Bushmills: what are you asking me? |
| 10:38.48 | Bushmills | "command line consoles" |
| 10:38.52 | thegoodcushion | I think it's just because they're stretched and my monitor is trying to interpolate resoluton |
| 10:38.52 | cusco_ | will try that too |
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| 10:39.22 | foetus | cusco_: i used it too - till now ;) |
| 10:39.44 | cusco_ | ok... |
| 10:40.06 | foetus | cusco_: xfs is good even on very slowly working sticks. |
| 10:40.08 | Bushmills | cusco_: an advantage of nilfs is the, well, call it, built-in versioning support |
| 10:40.31 | Bushmills | i.e. you can trace back through previous versions of already deleted or modified files |
| 10:40.34 | cusco_ | checkpoints and snapshots right |
| 10:40.44 | Bushmills | right |
| 10:40.48 | cusco_ | foetus: I will try it |
| 10:41.00 | foetus | cusco_: :) |
| 10:41.13 | cusco_ | Bushmills: I just read dpkg's factoid descriving it I don't really know it, where does it store all that info? |
| 10:41.27 | cusco_ | can I rollback changes like a deleted file? |
| 10:41.38 | Bushmills | it doesn't reuse freed space immediately |
| 10:41.59 | Bushmills | instead, not yet reused space goes is protocolled as previous versions of the files |
| 10:42.23 | cusco_ | i see.. sounds interesting |
| 10:42.33 | cusco_ | so if I make a snapshot now |
| 10:42.40 | cusco_ | and I do delete some stuff |
| 10:42.45 | cusco_ | I can get back to that |
| 10:42.53 | Bushmills | yes, you can. for example, you can set checkpoints, and mount those in addition to the current mount with the latest versions |
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| 10:43.02 | cusco_ | aw cool! |
| 10:43.16 | Bushmills | mount read-only, that is |
| 10:43.22 | cusco_ | it stops working when the device is getting full then? |
| 10:44.09 | Bushmills | yes, the less space is left, the smaller the log becomes |
| 10:44.33 | cusco_ | ok |
| 10:44.39 | cusco_ | I'll have a go at it |
| 10:45.01 | foetus | sounds intersting. |
| 10:45.23 | foetus | *interesting |
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| 10:45.45 | Iridos | and I thought it might be the opposite of an intrasting |
| 10:45.54 | foetus | have problems by typing today.. |
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| 10:46.23 | Bushmills | there's also logfs which is probably similar but i haven't tried that one yet |
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| 10:51.23 | foetus | is freeing resources.. |
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| 10:58.33 | hanibana | hi. is there any situation where the output of any command be something like "can not allocate resources" or "resource not available..." ?! (was a question in an job intervew!) |
| 10:59.33 | petemc | yes |
| 10:59.34 | bzrk | about a million situations |
| 10:59.36 | Riviera | hanibana: try "ulimit -u 1" |
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| 11:03.22 | Iridos | http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/Pages/resource_unavailable.aspx |
| 11:03.26 | Iridos | ducks |
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| 11:05.11 | taco_the_paco | is there some sort of antiddos with iptables,? |
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| 11:07.22 | taco_the_paco | anyone? |
| 11:07.41 | Iridos | we don't know what antiddos is, so how could we say |
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| 11:09.02 | taco_the_paco | mmmm a small attack* its obvious it wouldnt do anything against 5gbs+ found fail2ban though ^.^ |
| 11:09.05 | cusco_ | taco_the_paco: if you limit the ammout of syn packets per second it will affect legit usage |
| 11:09.20 | cusco_ | try echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_syncookies |
| 11:09.25 | Iridos | but you cannot stop other sites from sending you packes, you can only stop receiving them... |
| 11:09.50 | Iridos | (obviously) |
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| 11:12.17 | ChronicSyncope | I've used ubuntu but i've never run into this problem |
| 11:12.24 | ChronicSyncope | when i try to install eclipse it says there are dependencies |
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| 11:12.33 | ChronicSyncope | that are unmet |
| 11:12.48 | Iridos | there's also libapache2-mod-evasive for apache... |
| 11:12.51 | ChronicSyncope | eclipse-jdt and eclipse-platform. what am I doing wrong? |
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| 11:13.22 | rswarbrick | ChronicSyncope, Which debian distribution are you tracking? |
| 11:13.27 | Iridos | possibly running testing... really depends on what you'Re doing :) |
| 11:13.34 | ChronicSyncope | rswarbrick, #! |
| 11:13.50 | rswarbrick | ChronicSyncope, As in, are you running Squeeze? |
| 11:13.55 | rswarbrick | Or unstable? |
| 11:13.55 | linux-fox | hi ,all |
| 11:13.56 | ChronicSyncope | yes |
| 11:14.01 | ChronicSyncope | squeeze, i'm pretty certain |
| 11:14.34 | Iridos | well, what does aptitude why-not eclipse-jdt say |
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| 11:14.54 | ChronicSyncope | Unable to find a reason to remove eclipse-jdt. |
| 11:14.58 | noo | hello is there a way to install chromium in my home folder without having root priviliges>? |
| 11:15.12 | omes | noo: yes? |
| 11:15.13 | noo | on a debian squeeze operating system |
| 11:15.19 | noo | omes: how? |
| 11:15.26 | omes | noo: Just do it (tm) |
| 11:16.12 | cusco_ | noo: download it, extract it and run it |
| 11:16.14 | noo | omes: well I can't do apt-get install chromium-browser clearly, so just do it wont help me here. Can you tell me how to do it? |
| 11:16.23 | Iridos | hmp... wonder if that works on uninstalled packages, actually, not running into problems myself and hence not using that |
| 11:16.30 | ChronicSyncope | Iridos, Unable to find a reason to remove eclipse-jdt. |
| 11:16.37 | rswarbrick | ChronicSyncope, I can't test on this machine because I'm running a different version, but what package manager are you using? aptitude? |
| 11:16.50 | Iridos | yes.. |
| 11:16.55 | omes | noo: what cusco_ said... when even doing that is too difficult we're doomed |
| 11:16.59 | omes | windows users do it all the time |
| 11:17.15 | ChronicSyncope | yeah |
| 11:17.32 | omes | i remember the good ole days where you had to go dependency-hunting in order to do a ./configure && make && make install without failing terribly |
| 11:17.45 | rswarbrick | Ok, so I take it you've selected "eclipse" and something comes up red: what's the problem reported? |
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| 11:18.11 | cusco_ | omes: wget http://build.chromium.org/f/chromium/snapshots/chromium-rel-linux-64/83879/chrome-linux.zip |
| 11:18.14 | cusco_ | unzip it |
| 11:18.21 | cusco_ | open executable inside |
| 11:18.30 | cusco_ | oops |
| 11:18.34 | cusco_ | I meant noo |
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| 11:19.02 | ChronicSyncope | rswarbrick, http://pastebin.com/0YQ1K2Ce |
| 11:19.15 | Iridos | noo, apt-get and aptitude are there for installing packages into the debian system. what you want is to circumvent the system, so you cannot use apt. You can get the debian package and unpack it, but they'Re not made for that, so you will have to do extra work as well and might just as well install from something else |
| 11:19.50 | rswarbrick | ChronicSyncope, Ok, that's "apt-get" rather than "aptitude". |
| 11:20.02 | ChronicSyncope | ok well i'm pretty sure i get a similar problem in aptitude |
| 11:20.02 | Iridos | judd, versions eclipse-jdt |
| 11:20.04 | judd | Package eclipse-jdt on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.2-6squeeze2; sid: 3.5.2-9; wheezy: 3.5.2-9 |
| 11:20.06 | ChronicSyncope | where are more sources stored? |
| 11:20.09 | ChronicSyncope | my sources* |
| 11:20.29 | rswarbrick | ChronicSyncope, Yes, but the response is much more easy to understand. |
| 11:20.39 | rswarbrick | Please could you try doing it there and see what it says? |
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| 11:20.58 | ChronicSyncope | rswarbrick, i'm pretty sure i added a source and that is the problem, but i cant remember where the source.list is |
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| 11:21.09 | rswarbrick | ChronicSyncope, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:21.10 | Parsifal | ChronicSyncope: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:21.20 | Iridos | judd, versions eclipse |
| 11:21.21 | judd | Package eclipse on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.2-6squeeze2; sid: 3.5.2-9; wheezy: 3.5.2-9 |
| 11:21.22 | Iridos | ChronicSyncope, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:21.31 | Iridos | ha |
| 11:21.34 | Iridos | I had typed that anyway |
| 11:21.41 | omes | cusco_: lol |
| 11:22.01 | ChronicSyncope | lol i know what it's supposed to look like, i'm not new to debian, i'm just sleepy >_> |
| 11:22.37 | Iridos | ChronicSyncope, well... I guess it is already safe to say that you're mixing distributions |
| 11:22.46 | ChronicSyncope | how do you mean |
| 11:23.07 | Iridos | you're trying to install wheezy or sid eclipse into squeeze |
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| 11:23.17 | ChronicSyncope | yeah |
| 11:23.21 | ChronicSyncope | i fixed it by removing an unstable source |
| 11:23.26 | ChronicSyncope | that i forgot i added |
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| 11:23.47 | Iridos | but you didn't run "apt-get update" afterwards |
| 11:23.52 | ChronicSyncope | yes i did haha |
| 11:24.00 | ChronicSyncope | its working now. |
| 11:24.37 | ChronicSyncope | thanks for your help >_> |
| 11:25.14 | ChronicSyncope | i'm going to sleep xD |
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| 11:31.28 | HeXiLeD | i am trying to completely remove mysql-server and i still get some files - then if i try to re-install i dotn get all files since some are gone such as some init scripts. 'purge and remove' dont seem to help . any iedas ? |
| 11:31.55 | HeXiLeD | what i need is to reconfigure mysql from scratch |
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| 11:32.31 | Iridos | purge removes all config files... |
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| 11:32.51 | Iridos | the databases are seen as user data, though and are never removed, iirc |
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| 11:33.34 | abrotman | HeXiLeD: you probably want to purge mysql-common |
| 11:33.58 | HeXiLeD | want to clean it all to do a clean re-install |
| 11:35.06 | Bartzy|work | why some users in /etc/passwd (sshd for example) have nologin as shell, and some /bin/false ? What's the difference besides that /bin/false exits unsuccessfuly ? |
| 11:35.10 | HeXiLeD | but purging mysql-common also tries to remove apache and that i dont want |
| 11:36.27 | HeXiLeD | i think i found the issue |
| 11:37.04 | Parsifal | Bartzy|work: According to nologin(8), the only difference is that nologin displays a polite message saying that the account is not available. |
| 11:37.41 | Bartzy|work | Parsifal: OK, thank you. |
| 11:37.45 | Iridos | which seems pretty pointless, seeing that it's not in /etc/shells |
| 11:37.47 | abrotman | !tell HeXiLeD about confmiss |
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| 11:38.21 | Iridos | and so.. would never be executed, even if sshd had a password set? |
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| 11:40.09 | Bartzy|work | How binaries parse their config files (apache, nginx, dovecot etc)..? There must be some kind of parser that you can program instead of doing everything yourself ? |
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| 11:41.49 | Iridos | you mean like a parser all of those are being forced to use by some entity |
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| 11:42.00 | Iridos | all of those projects* |
| 11:43.09 | HeXiLeD | http://pastebin.ca/2053430 any ideas? |
| 11:44.06 | abchirk | HeXiLeD, did you pruge mysql-server before? |
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| 11:45.10 | abchirk | eh purge |
| 11:45.34 | HeXiLeD | i think so . i will re-do it |
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| 11:46.58 | Iridos | lenny! |
| 11:47.57 | HeXiLeD | yes lenny |
| 11:48.13 | HeXiLeD | error remains even after purge and re-install |
| 11:48.41 | HeXiLeD | /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst: line 144: /etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf: No such file or directory |
| 11:49.17 | Parsifal | HeXiLeD: Try dpkg --configure mysql-server |
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| 11:49.26 | Parsifal | Sorry, mysql-server-5.0 |
| 11:49.45 | HeXiLeD | same error |
| 11:50.06 | Iridos | well... what about what abrotman said... he sometimes knows what he's talking about |
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| 11:50.18 | HeXiLeD | will retry |
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| 11:50.53 | Parsifal | Yeah, I think abrotman is probably right |
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| 11:51.11 | abchirk | HeXiLeD, I had the same error a while ago with my.cnf and I had to reinstall mysql-common |
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| 11:51.22 | Parsifal | It looks like it's depending on a config file from another package, which is likely to be mysql-common |
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| 11:52.22 | HeXiLeD | no solution : http://pastebin.ca/2053431 |
| 11:52.25 | HeXiLeD | trying that now |
| 11:52.36 | abchirk | but purge it before |
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| 11:53.06 | abrotman | Iridos: i do! |
| 11:53.27 | Iridos | sometimes, right? ;) |
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| 11:53.35 | abrotman | judd: file conf.d/old_passwords.cnf --release squeeze |
| 11:53.38 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 11:53.57 | Iridos | he's using lenny and it must be made by some postinst/postrm |
| 11:54.12 | abrotman | HeXiLeD: still the wrong package |
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| 11:56.34 | HeXiLeD | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install mysql-common <-- solved it |
| 11:56.49 | abchirk | ^^ |
| 11:56.52 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 11:56.55 | abrotman | like 10 minutes ago! |
| 11:57.07 | abchirk | !beer abrotman |
| 11:57.07 | dpkg | pours a litre of Jever for abrotman |
| 11:57.24 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !abrotman |
| 11:57.25 | dpkg | it has been said that abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?", or known for his often misinterpreted sense of humour, or one of the few nicks you can complete with left hand and four presses |
| 11:57.47 | HeXiLeD | so he rocks :D |
| 11:57.52 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | : ) |
| 11:58.06 | abrotman | wonders if pseubodot remembers who won the calendar poll ... |
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| 11:58.43 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | wonders when will M$ takeover the Debian project :P |
| 11:58.52 | abrotman | not funny |
| 11:58.59 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | how about canonical |
| 11:59.00 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :P |
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| 11:59.21 | marc__ | Since squeeze, I'm hevaing problems (it seems) with apt-cdrom |
| 11:59.22 | Iridos | already have |
| 11:59.37 | marc__ | It does not add anything anymore; and does not access the drive at all |
| 11:59.53 | marc__ | not even a question to add/mount the drive |
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| 12:01.03 | marc__ | allt he refs with apt-cdrom I have found; all seem to point to something; but I have found no report where all the output is gone |
| 12:03.07 | abchirk | do you have a cdrom entry in your fstab? |
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| 12:04.54 | HeXiLeD | 2nd problem: http://127.0.0.1/phpMyAdmin-3.3.10/Documentation.html?phpMyAdmin=13c0e96a910c2257d15a376c86477bafbf27a216#faqmysql o installed php5-mysql and the issue remains. does the needed package have another name ? |
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| 12:05.42 | HeXiLeD | checks php.ini |
| 12:05.50 | marc__ | /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom0/ iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 12:06.29 | marc__ | $ sudo apt-cdrom add |
| 12:06.31 | marc__ | Repeat this process for the rest of the CDs in your set. |
| 12:06.34 | marc__ | that's it |
| 12:06.46 | marc__ | No other info even though in this case my CD is not even inserted |
| 12:06.51 | marc__ | same when it is though |
| 12:07.25 | abchirk | maybe you have to mount it before |
| 12:08.06 | marc__ | the apt-cdrom from apt/lenny does work as expected though |
| 12:08.08 | abrotman | do other CDs work ? |
| 12:08.31 | marc__ | yes |
| 12:08.37 | marc__ | I can manually mount everything |
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| 12:08.44 | marc__ | but not even a loop mount works |
| 12:08.57 | marc__ | loop mount works; but apt-cdrom does nothing with it |
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| 12:09.37 | abchirk | and if you try apt-cdrom with specifiyng a mount point? |
| 12:09.38 | marc__ | It is a rebuilt CD, but it should at least ask me to insert the CD in the drive IIRC |
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| 12:10.07 | marc__ | sudo apt-cdrom add -a -o Acquire::cdrom::mount="/media/cdrom0/" |
| 12:10.10 | marc__ | nothing |
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| 12:11.29 | abrotman | tried using su instead of sudo? |
| 12:13.04 | marc__ | that's the ouput of apt-cdrom 0.7.20 (lenny), on the same machine; only apt/apt-utils/libdb4.2 added frm lenny |
| 12:13.12 | marc__ | barco@mgsserver001:~$ sudo apt-cdrom add |
| 12:13.12 | marc__ | Using CD-ROM mount point /media/cdrom/ |
| 12:13.12 | marc__ | Unmounting CD-ROM |
| 12:13.12 | marc__ | Waiting for disc... |
| 12:13.12 | marc__ | Please insert a Disc in the drive and press enter |
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| 12:13.46 | marc__ | stupid me |
| 12:14.16 | abrotman | paste.debian.net works for that |
| 12:15.48 | marc__ | yeah, I was hoping I was below the limit :-( I normally use pastebin for that |
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| 12:16.55 | marc__ | anywho |
| 12:16.58 | marc__ | http://paste.debian.net/115867/ |
| 12:18.27 | Iridos | check bts and changelog |
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| 12:21.26 | Urtie | Does debootstrap install all packages with a priority of "required", or does it look at something else? |
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| 12:22.08 | AlexGer | hello, i need to backup files from a local Server to an offsite Server with the ssh protocol. I'd like to know if there is any Webbased opensource application wich i could use. Thanks and sorry Urtie for interrupting you :-) |
| 12:23.03 | Urtie | AlexGer: Don't know about a web-based front-end, but rsync works very well over ssh. |
| 12:23.22 | nkuttler | AlexGer: backuppc has a web frontend and can use rsync |
| 12:24.06 | AlexGer | is it using sshd or rsync over ssh? |
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| 12:30.42 | Iridos | web-based... |
| 12:31.17 | joltcan | AlexGer: why not just configure rsnapshot and have it done it automatically? |
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| 12:31.42 | SlayerXP | AlexGer: I used Duplicity for that kind of thing |
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| 12:33.30 | Iridos | joltcan, that was my thought exactly |
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| 12:38.58 | adimit | hi, I'm running into a possible bug w/ wheezy. X doesn't recognise input devices that are present while X starts up. Only if you add them later will it notice. |
| 12:39.27 | babilen | AlexGer: I recommend dirvish for the backups. (rsnapshot, rdiff-backup, backuppc, duplicity, amanda, bacula and ... are worth a look too) |
| 12:39.29 | Iridos | well, it's testing... you know what to do |
| 12:39.31 | adimit | I think it's an issue with the evdev drivers. However, I can't exactly track down what's responsible for this. |
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| 12:39.57 | adimit | Iridos: I know it's testing, that's why I'm testing, and trying to figure out what exactly went wrong. |
| 12:40.23 | Iridos | adimit, I mean you know what the next step is... check the bts... |
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| 12:41.12 | adimit | Iridos: checked. It seems there are people experiencing similar issues, but the bug got invalidated after the submitter magically repaired it :-\ |
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| 12:41.23 | Iridos | most of the time there's already a report |
| 12:41.24 | Iridos | ha |
| 12:41.25 | Iridos | magically |
| 12:41.27 | Iridos | good trick |
| 12:41.38 | babilen | loves himself some automagic |
| 12:42.05 | Iridos | but I've had the same... you fix the bug once, then suddenly can't reproduce it |
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| 12:42.19 | Iridos | although you remove the fix |
| 12:42.20 | adimit | I know, it happens all the time :-( |
| 12:42.27 | babilen | adimit: Do you have a bug number? You could reopen it and provide additional details (if applicable) |
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| 12:42.51 | ska | Debian 6.0.1, new install: Cron jobs for normal user won't run.. No log output either. |
| 12:43.22 | milosn | you need to enable cron log |
| 12:43.44 | milosn | /etc/rsyslog.conf |
| 12:43.51 | milosn | search for cron |
| 12:44.04 | Iridos | don't you have to be in the crontab group, too? |
| 12:44.06 | adimit | babilen: I had a number. Meh, I'll find it again if I have to. |
| 12:44.49 | milosn | Iridos: dont think you need to |
| 12:45.28 | milosn | ive setup some cron jobs for regular users without adding them to crontab group |
| 12:46.33 | ska | milosn: where is that done? |
| 12:46.41 | ska | ok.. i see |
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| 12:47.29 | dtcrshr | Is there a group for www in debian? iv changed an /var/www/folder to 775, and apache2.conf configs are ok, but I still have no access. the folders are with my user:user, must i change it to root:www or something? |
| 12:47.48 | ace___ | www_data or so |
| 12:48.32 | ace___ | www-data |
| 12:48.38 | stew | but the 5 of 775 is plenty of access |
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| 12:49.12 | stew | giving www-data write access can be a mistake |
| 12:49.29 | ska | milosn: I uncommented the cron line in /etc/rsyslog.conf, but I still see no /var/log/cron.log or similar |
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| 12:52.14 | dtcrshr | my groups are only cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev bluetooth scanner, should i create another onw? |
| 12:52.19 | Iridos | milosn, what's that group for, then? |
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| 12:53.13 | ska | ckup /USR/SBIN/CRON[22455]: (CRON) error (grandchild #22457 failed with exit status 2) |
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| 12:57.58 | ska | My crontab entry looks normal to me: */2 * * * * $HOME/bin/report_df >& $HOME/cron.log |
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| 12:58.11 | abrotman | Ska: how is $HOME being set? |
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| 12:58.57 | ska | abrotman: Cron should do this automatically no? |
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| 12:59.04 | ska | In the past it was. |
| 12:59.10 | abrotman | i wouldn't leave it to chance? |
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| 13:00.23 | Iridos | abrotman, that's set on squeeze |
| 13:00.28 | stew | i would expect pam to have set that up |
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| 13:00.44 | stew | i would guess via pam_auth but i am guessing |
| 13:01.44 | Iridos | ska, ">&" is not valid syntax in sh |
| 13:02.01 | ska | ok.. thanks. |
| 13:02.22 | Iridos | !bashism |
| 13:02.22 | dpkg | Many people think all that is in bash is in sh and put #!/bin/sh to start their script with bash extensions instead of #!/bin/bash. From squeeze onwards, /bin/sh won't be bash but <dash>. See "checkbashisms" in the <devscripts> package -- you will need to either fix your scripts to only use real "sh" functionality (and leave them as #!/bin/sh) or change the first line to read #!/bin/bash. |
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| 13:02.48 | erAbuelo | buenas |
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| 13:09.25 | milosn | ska: service rsyslog restart |
| 13:09.34 | milosn | for cron.log to appear |
| 13:09.56 | ska | Its working now.. thanks. |
| 13:10.17 | ska | I think i was getting away with bash syntax up to now. |
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| 13:11.58 | onryo | Is all the firmware in kernel Linux debian 2.6.32-5-686 open source? As in zero blobs. |
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| 13:12.31 | xinming | How do we get the list of all packagesff for a repository? Eg, backports-squeeze |
| 13:12.54 | rypervenche | How can I remove a no longer used language from gdm3? I tried messing with my .fonts.dtd file and one of my choices was "Unspecified [ANSI_X3.4-1968]" as a language. How can I remove this? I put all of my settings back to normal. |
| 13:13.23 | stew | onryo: yes |
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| 13:13.58 | Seb | onryo: non-free firmwaers now comes in a separate package, from the non-free section of the archive, as you may have guessed :) |
| 13:14.00 | stew | xinming: you can, for example, look at http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/squeeze-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 13:14.03 | Seb | firmware* |
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| 13:14.53 | xinming | stew: Isn't there a way to get it via cli rather than open gz by hand? |
| 13:15.42 | stew | xinming: is the repository in your sources.list? |
| 13:16.19 | onryo | Seb that in interesting. I am looking at my Software sources and can see that I have "squeeze contrib non-free main" clicked. Also I can NOT click "Officially supported (main)" |
| 13:16.34 | xinming | stew: Yes |
| 13:16.59 | stew | xinming: then you have the list in /var/lib/apt/lists ; grep-dctrl is a suite of tools that can help you search/report from this file |
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| 13:17.54 | rypervenche | How can I remove unwanted languages from my gnome login screen? |
| 13:18.20 | xinming | stew: stew thanks. I thought that we can get them via aptitude command. |
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| 13:18.47 | onryo | I installed this from the live CD just to give it a try. So far I really enjoy Squeeze. I just do not want ANY non-free anything on my system. Free as in speech, so to say. |
| 13:19.18 | stew | xinming: in the case of backports, you perhaps can by using the knowledge that backports have bpo in the version string, but this doesn't work for other repositories |
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| 13:20.53 | xinming | stew: The reason is, that we can use aptitude -t squeeze-backports to specify the version of the packaage to install. |
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| 13:21.37 | kbar | I'm having trouble trouble running xmonad on squeeze... after installing and using the provided config it just hangs on the debian background after i log in |
| 13:21.41 | xinming | that's why I curious about it, Since I don't want to install another package to my system to do the job, If the built-in utilities are always suficient. |
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| 13:24.38 | stew | xinming: aptitude's -t does not do what you want, even for installing. it does not allow you to limit packages to a single repository |
| 13:25.14 | stew | xinming: /usr/bin/pager /var/lib/apt/lists/$whatever |
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| 13:28.15 | HideMe | Is there a way to determine what is using swap? |
| 13:28.16 | Iridos | !tell xinming -about bdo list |
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| 13:28.46 | Iridos | you don't have to be insane to understand this syntax... but most people become so anyway trying |
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| 13:30.34 | Strav | Hi. I'm trying to mount an ext4 raid5 array as a samba share but I cannot seem to be able to get write permissions from the client side (sudo is needed for any write op). In smb.conf, the create mask is 0775, the share is browseable and writeable, the user I use to connect with is in the valid users as well as in the write list and the command I'm using to mount is sudo mount -t smbfs -o username=strav,password=mypassword,umask=000 |
| 13:30.34 | Strav | //192.168.0.150/share /mnt. I tried chmoding 777 all of the mounted share, no success. Any advice? (also note: oddly, I can create directories without any problem) |
| 13:30.50 | Iridos | HideMe, iotop, probably |
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| 13:32.31 | stew | HideMe: perhaps something like: ps kvsz -o pid,vsz,cmd |
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| 13:33.04 | Iridos | Strav, passwords differ |
| 13:33.08 | Iridos | oops, already had that :-P |
| 13:33.30 | Strav | :) |
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| 13:34.34 | Strav | Iridos: that password difference was just a lousy typo. But the reason I was trying to manually mount what I had in my fstab is the problem I just stated. |
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| 13:34.50 | Iridos | ha... the !real problem |
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| 13:35.15 | Strav | it heart of it all, yes. |
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| 13:36.36 | Iridos | use file_mode=? |
| 13:37.21 | Strav | Iridos: the intended args for file_mode being? |
| 13:37.27 | Iridos | hm, actually as you're using samba from linux to linux, it should use linux extensions? |
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| 13:38.32 | SorryUser | hmm |
| 13:38.44 | Iridos | there's also "noperm" - smb checks if the user accessing a file really has permissions on the other system it seems |
| 13:39.12 | SorryUser | a friend of mine put his root password in a C# executable (runs on mono). I'm trying to prove him stupid, but I can't find it in the executable |
| 13:39.35 | Strav | Iridos: thanks, just saw that file_mode needs a umask, I'll try those two options. |
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| 13:39.48 | dp | is there a way to see *when* a package was installed? |
| 13:39.50 | petemc | SorryUser: tried running strings on it? |
| 13:39.51 | Iridos | Strav, never used it... 000 or 777, I guess (i.e. real mode or umask) |
| 13:40.12 | Bartzy|work | Do I need to do auto eth0:1 in virtual interfaces ? |
| 13:40.22 | Bartzy|work | or auto eth0 (for the physical interface) is enough ? |
| 13:40.27 | Iridos | SorryUser, perhaps he wasn't _so_ stupid after all |
| 13:40.29 | SorryUser | petemc: I tried cat out.exe | grep <password> |
| 13:40.33 | stew | dp: you can check /var/log/dpkg* |
| 13:40.41 | SorryUser | no, I saw the code. plaintext string. |
| 13:40.43 | Iridos | SorryUser, try strings instead of cat |
| 13:40.51 | Iridos | (as suggested) |
| 13:40.55 | dp | stew: I saw some things in there, but nothing seemed to have a good explanation |
| 13:41.05 | Iridos | grep often fails on binary files |
| 13:41.05 | petemc | !uuoca |
| 13:41.07 | Iridos | or used to |
| 13:41.09 | stew | dp: what explanation are you looking for? |
| 13:41.19 | stew | Bartzy|work: if you want it automatically brought up, then yes, you need it |
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| 13:41.32 | dp | stew: someting like /var/lib/dpkg/status that tells me the name of the package, and the date it was last installed/upgraded |
| 13:41.39 | Bartzy|work | stew: OK. thought it's not necessary because it's not a real interface... |
| 13:41.40 | Iridos | dp, /var/log/dpkg.log* |
| 13:41.42 | Bartzy|work | just another address |
| 13:42.08 | thewanderer1 | dp: maybe pick a random file from the package and run `stat` on it to see its modification date? :P |
| 13:42.11 | petemc | Bartzy|work: it is another interface, if you want an address added to the same interface use ip addr add |
| 13:42.17 | Strav | Iridos: one of those options did the trick :) |
| 13:42.30 | stew | dp: there is no such thing |
| 13:42.44 | dp | Iridos: that might work |
| 13:43.00 | stew | but not when I suggest it? :) |
| 13:43.04 | thewanderer1 | haha |
| 13:43.10 | Bartzy|work | petemc: It's not really another interface... for example, 'ip addr show' doesn't list it as another interface.. you can use it as an interface in netfilter... |
| 13:43.19 | dp | stew: sorry, I misunderstood what you said ;) |
| 13:43.29 | dp | I read it as /var/lib/dpkg |
| 13:43.33 | stew | Bartzy|work: you cannot use eth0:1 in netfilter afaik |
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| 13:44.08 | Bartzy|work | stew: Sorry, meant CAN'T, not can... |
| 13:44.13 | petemc | Bartzy|work: when i use iptables with aliased interfaces i have to specify the address |
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| 13:44.47 | Strav | Iridos: and I couldn't get a proper advice from #samba. good to see that the debian folks still rocks. |
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| 13:45.49 | dkr | SorryUser: grep -a foo binaryfile |
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| 13:50.09 | noo | hello I just installed debian on my eeepc and for some reason I cannot get the keyboard and the touchpad working. they work on tty1, but they do work on X11 |
| 13:50.36 | noo | if I plug in an external keyboard, then that one works. can somebody help me to configure my properly? |
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| 13:52.28 | abrotman | !eeepc |
| 13:52.28 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM ASUS Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by ASUS. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net for support. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1c>. Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 13:53.01 | Iridos | hm, won't the wiki mainly deal with lenny still, though? |
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| 13:54.03 | rypervenche | noo: Follow what dpkg said, I solved my problem a few days ago thanks to it. If you still have problems, join #debian-eeepc |
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| 14:06.16 | noo | rypervenche: I read through the eeepc wiki entry and it didn't help me with my keyboard problem and the debian eepc channel was almost empty. Can you maybe help me? |
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| 14:06.58 | noo | rypervenche: somehow X doesn't detect the external keyboard if it's already plugged in, but if I plug it out and the plug it in again, then it works. what can I do? |
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| 14:07.34 | stew | almost empty? there's 48 people there? |
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| 14:13.45 | Days` | Hello there, do you know how to reconfigure the keyboard layout on squeeze for the console ? |
| 14:14.02 | Days` | not interactivaly i mean |
| 14:14.07 | ska | Iridos: I thought Squeeze was using dash syntax for sh.. IN that case the manual shows ">&" as valid. |
| 14:14.25 | jrd0 | http://i.imgur.com/DZ5hr.jpg new media center/home server running squeeze :D |
| 14:14.29 | sontek | Is there a way to check if my server is listening on a port? I setup a teamspeak server on my debian box but I can't connect to it |
| 14:14.36 | stew | Days`: /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 14:14.47 | Days` | sontek: netstat -laputen |
| 14:14.57 | Days` | stew: will dig on this thanks |
| 14:15.35 | sontek | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:15000 0.0.0.0:* 104 10017006 7730/teamspeak-serv |
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| 14:15.45 | sontek | so thats the server i'm trying to connect to |
| 14:15.59 | sontek | its listening on 15000 |
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| 14:17.32 | sontek | teamspeak log isn't showing anything when I try to connect, doesn't seem like its getting to teamspeak |
| 14:17.44 | sontek | but iptables doesn't have anything defined in it to block |
| 14:17.50 | keith4 | what's up with bpo? |
| 14:18.03 | petemc | sontek: try telneting to that port from another machine |
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| 14:18.31 | babilen | keith4: What's up with it? |
| 14:18.35 | sontek | Connection refused |
| 14:18.38 | sontek | petemc: ^ |
| 14:18.46 | petemc | !connection refused |
| 14:18.47 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified IP address at all (e.g. apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 14:18.52 | Days` | stew: hmmm... the method is interactive.. i was looking for one which isn't |
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| 14:19.21 | babilen | Days`: Edit /etc/default/keyboard |
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| 14:19.27 | Digit | hi all |
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| 14:19.35 | justin_ | petemc: udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:15000 |
| 14:19.42 | petemc | ah |
| 14:19.53 | babilen | Days`: You *will* have to interact with the system at some point :) |
| 14:20.00 | Days` | babilen: ah nice, thanks for the hint |
| 14:20.21 | Days` | babilen: i know, but preseed don't care about the keymap i set :( (even as kernel param) |
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| 14:21.35 | xinming | Iridos: I don't mean the package installed, I mean the package list for installation. |
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| 14:22.09 | karlpinc | I can always drop something in rc.local but is there any "stock" way to send an email on boot? |
| 14:22.13 | xinming | Iridos: hmm, thanks anyway, It seems I'm wrong. |
| 14:22.32 | sontek | petemc: So you think there is a firewall blocking it somewhere? |
| 14:22.40 | cdahmede- | hello, i have download older packages for a kernel .tar.gz, .dsc and .diff and used dpkg-source to extract and patch the source, how do i use dpkg-buildpackage to compile and package on a specific version of the kernel like 686-bigmem |
| 14:22.54 | sontek | petemc: its listening on it and I checked iptables -nvL |
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| 14:23.03 | juboba | can I install Unity on my debian box? |
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| 14:23.19 | babilen | cdahmede-: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
| 14:23.24 | babilen | juboba: Not yet available |
| 14:23.34 | juboba | babilen, Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 14:23.42 | petemc | sontek: you can use netcat to check |
| 14:23.48 | babilen | juboba: Yes! http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609278 |
| 14:23.55 | babilen | juboba: Use Ubuntu if you care about it |
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| 14:24.09 | juboba | how about compiz stand-alone? |
| 14:24.16 | juboba | babilen, how about compiz stand-alone? |
| 14:24.34 | jelly | compiz works |
| 14:24.37 | karlpinc | juboba: compiz is in there. I don't know what stand-alone means. |
| 14:24.40 | sontek | petemc: how? |
| 14:24.54 | petemc | nc -u |
| 14:24.55 | karlpinc | sontek: "man nc"? |
| 14:24.56 | babilen | Compiz is available in Debian. I am happy that I know nothing about it and have no idea what would constitute a "compiz standalone" system |
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| 14:27.30 | sontek | petemc: nc -u <server> <port> doesn't return anything it just sits there |
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| 14:27.49 | petemc | sontek: does nmap show the port as opne? |
| 14:28.00 | cdahmede- | babilen: i don't want to apply any patches, just want to directly use dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 14:28.21 | cdahmede- | babilen: but only compile a specific kernel, dpkg-buildpackage tries to do all of them |
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| 14:28.41 | justin_ | petemc: udp ports are not really "open" |
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| 14:29.06 | petemc | justin_: feel free to jump in and help rather than just correct me |
| 14:29.12 | juboba | karlpinc, to run compiz on its own |
| 14:29.45 | karlpinc | juboba: Sure. |
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| 14:30.39 | karlpinc | I don't understand "debtags tagshow" output. It seems to show only "facets". Why is this not showing all of /var/lib/debtags/vocabulary? Is this a bug or am I clueless? |
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| 14:31.11 | sontek | petemc: yeah, nmap isn't showing anything for it but not sure if it should |
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| 14:31.56 | petemc | sontek: nmap should show a listening port |
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| 14:32.14 | petemc | sontek: how is this machine connected to the network? |
| 14:32.19 | Digit | bye all |
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| 14:32.41 | twobitsprite | I hope debian never has unity.... ugh... |
| 14:33.14 | karlpinc | twobitsprite: If someone wants to maintain it, good on them. Nobody has to use it. |
| 14:33.33 | twobitsprite | karlpinc: well... I hope it's never the default DE |
| 14:33.39 | karlpinc | twobitsprite: :) |
| 14:33.50 | stew | !dbugs 609278 |
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| 14:33.54 | sontek | petemc: Its a VM I purchased, I've never had to open a port before on it... ssh, web, etc all worked |
| 14:33.54 | dpkg | #609278:W[wnpp] ITP: unity -- Interface for Ubuntu Desktop Edition (); Sat, 08 Jan 2011 02:03:02 UTC [] |
| 14:34.04 | sontek | petemc: even the web interface for teamspeak opened just fine |
| 14:34.11 | sontek | petemc: so it seems like its udp's fault :P |
| 14:35.11 | petemc | sontek: dunno what to suggest, if the app does any logging i would check it |
| 14:35.44 | sontek | yeah, its not showing that anything is trying to connect in the log |
| 14:35.57 | sontek | but makes sense since i'm getting connection refused |
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| 14:36.17 | Efazati | debian:/home/efazati# dpkg --configure -a |
| 14:36.18 | Efazati | dpkg: error: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0046' near line 0: |
| 14:36.18 | dpkg | Efazati: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 14:36.21 | Efazati | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:36.24 | Efazati | i have error in this case |
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| 14:37.43 | stew | Efazati: what version of dpkg do you have installed? |
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| 14:39.06 | Efazati | stew, 1.16.0.2 (amd64) |
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| 14:42.06 | stew | Efazati: odd, can you show the contents of that file? |
| 14:42.14 | stew | Efazati: we should figure out what package it belongs to |
| 14:43.54 | Efazati | stew, i was removed '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0046' and dpkg be ok :D |
| 14:43.57 | Efazati | stew, tnx |
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| 14:44.18 | stew | Efazati: did you save a copy? it would be helpful for others to figure out wht went wrong |
| 14:44.37 | Efazati | stew, there is many #padding in file |
| 14:44.53 | stew | what else? |
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| 14:45.46 | Efazati | stew, noting |
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| 14:51.58 | tdn | I use postfix/spamassassin/amavis. I would like to graph data about how many spam or virus mails has been blocked. Any experience on how to do this? |
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| 14:55.30 | karlpinc | tdn: swatch + rrdtool + something like cacti/munin? |
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| 14:56.11 | karlpinc | !tell tdn about search |
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| 14:56.43 | manu_hack | hi, is it possible to make my mouse button 11 to map to button 2? |
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| 14:58.47 | tdn | karlpinc, yeah, I was thinking that rrdtool was the thing to use. I have been looking a bit on munin also, however, I am not exactly sure what the project is about. Some of it looks more like a Nagios alternative. |
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| 14:59.08 | tdn | karlpinc, thus, I would like to hear from someone who actually has some experience in settings something like this up. |
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| 15:00.32 | karlpinc | tdn: munin or cacti or whatever tends to be system monitor oriented and an "easy" way to actually graph rrdtool data. You don't need to use all the features. |
| 15:00.59 | tdn | karlpinc, ok. |
| 15:01.25 | karlpinc | tdn: (FWIW icinga now more or less replaces nagios in Debian. By default anyway.) |
| 15:01.51 | karlpinc | tdn: I found cacti easier than munin, but I'm not sure they're equalivent. |
| 15:02.20 | stew | by default? |
| 15:02.25 | stew | how do you figure? |
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| 15:04.44 | tdn | karlpinc, ok. |
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| 15:06.26 | karlpinc | stew: Perhaps default is not the right word. There was a note to this effect in the squeeze release notes. I think. |
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| 15:29.22 | yang | I face a strange error when upgraded to 2.6.38, there are some lines appearing over the screen, but when I type something in terminal they dissapear |
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| 15:34.40 | antivigilante | kdeinit goes nuts after hours of OpenGL effects |
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| 15:35.43 | jhutchins_lt | So I notice that when I resume from suspend-to-ram, I get a brief glimpse of the desktop before the screen saver cuts in and blanks it. While this isn't an issue for me, it can hardly be secure. |
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| 15:37.39 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: indeed |
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| 15:39.12 | joo_ | Does anyone know a tool to browse throuh a folder of pdf files (vouchers), view and possibly number them? |
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| 15:51.21 | Andy1978 | I have a host with squeeze (6.0.1) and want a sid chroot to build packages. So i did "sudo pbuilder create" and get "I: Checking Release signature, E: Release signed by unknown key (key id 07DC563D1F41B907)" |
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| 15:52.26 | Andy1978 | apt-key list shows "pub 1024D/1F41B907 1999-10-03, uid Christian Marillat <marillat@debian.org>, uid Christian Marillat <marillat@free.fr>" |
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| 15:53.03 | homie | that's from www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 15:53.14 | Andy1978 | Now I wonder why Release.gpg is signed from debian-multimedia |
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| 15:53.23 | homie | get the package debian-multimedia-keyring or so |
| 15:53.25 | homie | from sid ? |
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| 15:53.42 | Andy1978 | homie: Yes, I know, but why? I don't have debian-multimedia in my sources.list |
| 15:53.44 | stew | Andy1978: are you intending to have debian-multimedia be part of this pbuilder chroot? |
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| 15:53.56 | stew | Andy1978: it doesn't get the sources.list from the host system, but from the pbuilder config |
| 15:54.25 | stew | Andy1978: which can be /etc/pbuilderrc or /etc/pbuilder/pbuilderrc or $HOME/.pbuilderrc |
| 15:54.30 | Andy1978 | stew: Ah, interesting |
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| 15:54.44 | homie | Andy1978: you can import the gpg key directly, but there's another way via that package, it's just you have to first time have that key somehow in your trusted keys in /etc/apt registered |
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| 15:54.52 | erAbuelo | ta lueg |
| 15:55.14 | stew | homie: he shouldn't, though, the fact that apt didn't have this key was good and caught an error |
| 15:55.15 | homie | Andy1978: and before that package you'll get warnings about an unknown key... |
| 15:55.28 | homie | stew: ok |
| 15:55.30 | stew | yes, he got the warning and that was a good thing |
| 15:55.44 | homie | stew: well i don't know is multimedia integrated into debian ? |
| 15:55.48 | homie | stew: afaik not |
| 15:55.51 | stew | homie: its not |
| 15:55.54 | homie | ok |
| 15:56.20 | homie | well now he can decide, if he wants to use that repo or not |
| 15:56.24 | Andy1978 | stew, homie: to clear that: I don't want debian-multimedia or need it to build my packages |
| 15:56.52 | Andy1978 | so I was wondering why pbuilder tries to access the repo |
| 15:56.56 | homie | ah ok, but then you'r pulling in something unknowingly from that repo... |
| 15:57.14 | homie | maybe some package depends on something from there ? |
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| 15:57.23 | stew | homie: no |
| 15:57.32 | homie | hmmm |
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| 15:58.15 | homie | stew: what is it then ? |
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| 15:58.37 | homie | normally shouldn't happen .... |
| 15:58.39 | stew | homie: pbuilder added it to his sources.list |
| 15:58.47 | homie | oh |
| 15:59.09 | homie | and pbuilder is from which repo sid ? |
| 15:59.25 | Andy1978 | homie: no, squeeze |
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| 15:59.54 | homie | well, e-mail the package manager then.... |
| 16:00.10 | stew | why email the package manager? |
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| 16:00.27 | Andy1978 | stew: You are right: /etc/pbuilderrc lists a debian-multimedia mirror |
| 16:00.48 | homie | stew: why should pbuilder put it in the sources then ?.... |
| 16:00.49 | Andy1978 | stew: so, thank you very much |
| 16:00.56 | stew | homie: because he configured it to |
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| 16:01.05 | homie | stew: who ? |
| 16:01.08 | stew | homie: its not a bug. its behaving correctly. if it were a bug, he could open a bug report... |
| 16:01.12 | stew | homie: Andy1978 |
| 16:01.22 | homie | oh ok, didn't get that... |
| 16:01.25 | stew | homie: or some other admin of that system |
| 16:01.34 | homie | i thought that was put there by default or so.... |
| 16:02.38 | andornaut | i have gdm,xfce4.8 and xscreensaver. After a login, xscreensaver starts up about 5 seconds later, and if it's configured with a lock, then i have to re-authenticate with the screensaver. If I logout and log back in, this doesn't happen (only if I reboot). grep "xscreensaver" /etc/ -R only shows occurances in app-defaults and /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc. Any ideas? |
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| 16:03.53 | RainbowW | is there a tool that will search a directory tree for a file of a given md5? |
| 16:03.59 | jhutchins_lt | andornaut: Sounds like a problem with timekeeping on your system. Are you running ntp? |
| 16:04.42 | Andy1978 | homie: It looks like the install process of pbuilder uses the first line which looks like a url to fill /etc/pbuilderrc MIRRORSITE= |
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| 16:05.37 | andornaut | jhutchins_lt: ntpdate-debian is installed, and ijust ran it (time was off, but only slightly) |
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| 16:05.55 | andornaut | jhutchins_lt: also, this only occurs once, after a reboot, subsequent logins dont show this issue |
| 16:06.18 | jhutchins_lt | andornaut: ntp runs as a continuous service, synchronizing your clock with a remote server and generating statistics that allow the drift of your clock to be compensated. |
| 16:06.26 | homie | Andy1978: so you put the url youself in the pbuilderrc ? |
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| 16:06.53 | Andy1978 | homie: no, the setup procedure from "apt-get install pbuilder" |
| 16:06.58 | jhutchins_lt | andornaut: It seems xscreensaver believes that at login your system has been idle long enough to lock. |
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| 16:07.08 | homie | Andy1978: ah ok now i get it |
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| 16:07.53 | andornaut | jhutchins_lt: okay, i just installed the ntp daemon too. I'll give a reboot a shot |
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| 16:09.51 | RainbowW | hmm. found a tool. it's even fast. yay? (when you've got 1.35 million files to dig through ... fast is relative ...) |
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| 16:10.34 | andornaut | jhutchins_lt: just tried a reboot after, setting up ntp. Same issue :-/ |
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| 16:10.57 | Andy1978 | stew: Do you have a little hint what to do if "pbuilder create --debootstrapopts --variant=buildd" aborts with "Configuring g++... |
| 16:10.57 | Andy1978 | W: Failure while configuring base packages" can the setup switched to an interactive mode? |
| 16:11.02 | andornaut | jhutchins_lt: the reason i doubt the idle theory is that the computer isnt idle at the time the screen locks, i'm actively typing or mousing at the time |
| 16:11.05 | jhutchins_lt | Let it run for a while. How old is the motherboard? |
| 16:11.17 | andornaut | jhutchins_lt: *err the date theory, rather |
| 16:11.19 | Mmike | if I install apache, and then use update-rc.d to make sure it never starts, will upgrading that package remove my setup of apache not starting ever? (Only by hand?) |
| 16:11.24 | onryo | Was wondering if there is anything like computer-janitor in Squeeze? |
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| 16:11.34 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, but by the time you're working the screensaver has already been launched, you're just not seeing it until it loads. |
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| 16:12.23 | andornaut | jhutchins_lt: so, just this last time, after i rebooted, i thought the issue had been solved. I had time to login, count to 20, ssh , start my screen irssi session, and start typing that it worked, before the screen locked =) |
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| 16:16.42 | andornaut | jhutchins_lt: given that experience, any other ideas? If I kill the process then run xscreensaver -no-splash manually, i dont get the lock problem |
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| 16:21.47 | Aut0ExeC | hi guys... is there a deb based rolling release distro I can try? |
| 16:22.32 | epsilon | you mean live cd? |
| 16:22.50 | Aut0ExeC | nah man.. not live cd |
| 16:22.55 | Aut0ExeC | installation |
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| 16:23.14 | Azrael_- | "rolling release distro" = ? |
| 16:23.15 | Aut0ExeC | i mean i wouldnt mind tryin it on cd first |
| 16:23.21 | stew | Aut0ExeC: not from debian officially yet, though there is lots of discussion about doing it currently |
| 16:23.28 | Aut0ExeC | ok |
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| 16:23.39 | andornaut | hmm, the weird thing is, if I add xscreensaver to XFCE4's startup applications, then the problem goes away, BUT if i start xscreensaver-demo i get an unlock prompt |
| 16:23.42 | stew | Aut0ExeC: perhaps ##linux can help you find some debian based derivative |
| 16:23.55 | stew | Azrael_-: see the overly long current discussion on lists.debian.org/debian-devel |
| 16:24.14 | Aut0ExeC | well i tried arch which is ok but I keep coming bck to deb |
| 16:24.17 | Aut0ExeC | :) |
| 16:24.19 | Andy1978 | Aut0ExeC: perhaps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aptosid ? |
| 16:24.48 | Andy1978 | Aut0ExeC: there is also antiX based on testing |
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| 16:25.16 | stew | if it is based on testing, then many would consider it not rolling |
| 16:25.17 | stew | if they do, then how about debian testing |
| 16:25.33 | Aut0ExeC | Andy1978: ahhh nice .. thanks man |
| 16:25.33 | frotz47 | Aut0ExeC: Linux Mint has debian 'rolling' editions |
| 16:25.41 | Aut0ExeC | frotz47: thanks for that too |
| 16:25.52 | antivigilante | rolling? |
| 16:25.56 | Aut0ExeC | i used sidux before.. i'm more familiar with that |
| 16:26.02 | Aut0ExeC | i'll check that out |
| 16:26.11 | foetus | is fscking a corrupted ext2 system.. numbers..numbers.. |
| 16:27.02 | frotz47 | antivigilante: apt sources are testing based |
| 16:27.22 | Andy1978 | stew: ... aptosid is a desktop-oriented operating system based on the "unstable" branch of Debian.... The goal of the distribution is to provide a stable .... |
| 16:27.52 | stew | Andy1978: yes, i know, previously sidux |
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| 16:28.34 | Andy1978 | I'm baffled from "based on unstable", The goal is "stable" |
| 16:28.55 | stew | Andy1978: they are using "stable" to mean somehting completely different than what debian means by stable |
| 16:29.12 | poisonbit | not too many differences |
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| 16:29.17 | rapeman | hi |
| 16:29.37 | Aut0ExeC | rapeman: rapeman?? really? |
| 16:29.42 | Aut0ExeC | rapeman: u rape? |
| 16:29.54 | rapeman | its a band |
| 16:29.59 | Aut0ExeC | oh ok |
| 16:30.10 | ZykoticK9 | still a bad nic IMHO |
| 16:30.11 | Aut0ExeC | pretty offensive name for a band |
| 16:30.31 | Andy1978 | it's a typo, should be ape-man |
| 16:30.40 | Aut0ExeC | hmm |
| 16:30.43 | rapeman | they are named after a japanese comicbook |
| 16:30.49 | stew | can we please move the social chatter to #debian-offtopic |
| 16:30.56 | rapeman | about a superhero who brutally rapes teenage girls |
| 16:30.56 | poisonbit | nicks are as important as twits, social managers, and network managers and publishers and ppas |
| 16:31.04 | rapeman | because japanese people are depraved |
| 16:31.20 | stew | rapeman: stop |
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| 16:31.28 | RainbowW | choose a nick that's less offensive and we might be willing to help you. next question? |
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| 16:32.24 | poisonbit | next question is an abstraction enterprise layer |
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| 16:33.02 | poisonbit | bleh... I need another O.S. the battle is loosed |
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| 16:37.41 | moele | ok silly question #1, is it possible to find the default paths GCC is going to look for headers for given libraries? |
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| 16:38.30 | foetus | becomes 'multiply claimed block map' , dir inodes.. |
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| 16:41.44 | markinfo | Hi. Today I updated XFCE in testing and got the same problem as in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=623496 |
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| 16:44.08 | simonlnu | !dbugs 623496 |
| 16:44.13 | dpkg | #623496:M[thunar-volman] thunar-volman: Fails to recognize removable drives (sid wheezy); Wed, 20 Apr 2011 18:33:01 UTC [] |
| 16:44.18 | Flaim | hi folks. I have a fresh squeeze install, and nfs isn't working. nfs-common is installed, but rpcinfo -p doesn't show any nfs at all |
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| 16:44.44 | markinfo | gvfs-mount -d /dev/sdb1 /media/usbdisk/ ..... Error mounting /dev/sdb1: Not Authorized |
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| 16:46.36 | ZykoticK9 | I have Gwibber (1.2.0) installed on two Debian Squeeze machines, on one URL links open in Iceweasel but on the other they open internally in Gwibber. I'd like to have them open in Iceweasel on both systems. Thus far my Google-fu has failed me. Both x-www-browser and gnome-www-browser are set to Iceweasel. |
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| 16:47.53 | xyan | ZykoticK9: some applications stick to xdg-open from xdg-utils i dont have a clue on how to configure that tho |
| 16:48.45 | ZykoticK9 | xyan, thanks, i haven't read anything about xdg-open or xdg-utils so that opens a new avenue of investigation. |
| 16:48.59 | erAbuelo | buenas |
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| 16:52.01 | foetus | itself: using ext2 on external drives is a not recommended way of destroying data.. |
| 16:53.10 | DerMicha | hi, is there an dedicated IRC chanel for debian-armel or can i ask here? |
| 16:53.20 | Flaim | actually, I hear it works well for destroying data foetus... |
| 16:53.34 | Flaim | so if that's the goal, I would definitely recommend it. :) |
| 16:54.00 | foetus | ;) |
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| 16:54.38 | foetus | takes time. |
| 16:54.58 | Flaim | you know nfs very well? |
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| 16:55.06 | nkuttler | !tell DerMicha about armel |
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| 16:55.27 | foetus | no. |
| 16:55.31 | DerMicha | thanks nkuttler |
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| 16:56.45 | Flaim | k. |
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| 17:02.28 | erAbuelo | ta lueg |
| 17:03.32 | daedhel | hi, I just installed the liquorix kernel from its repo, and it wont work with my LUKS/LVM partitions. I cant find proper docs on the web. anyone can tell me where to look for docs or what terms to google ? |
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| 17:04.57 | ZykoticK9 | xyan, xdg-open was the issue, it was pointing to chromium (which isn't even installed), searched through gconf-editor and replaced all the /usr/bin/chromium with /usr/bin/iceseasel and links are opening correctly. Thank you. |
| 17:05.11 | xyan | no problem |
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| 17:08.39 | abrotman | daedhel: you should ask them .. that's not a Debian kernel |
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| 17:09.22 | daedhel | abrotman: well, te reason why I ask here is that I suspect the debian grub script not to configure the kernel lines correctly. |
| 17:09.41 | daedhel | abrotman: I know it is not the kernel wich is faulty, but the way it is called |
| 17:09.52 | abrotman | does it work with a Debian kernel? |
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| 17:10.30 | daedhel | abrotman: liquorix kernel works like a charm when I am not on LUKS/LVM partitions |
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| 17:10.42 | abrotman | does your LUKS/LVM work with a Debian kernel? |
| 17:10.49 | abrotman | i don't give a shit about the liquorix kernel |
| 17:11.35 | daedhel | abrotman: I am on it right now |
| 17:11.46 | daedhel | abrotman: you should give a shit about it |
| 17:11.48 | abrotman | problem solved |
| 17:11.50 | jhutchins_lt | Why would anyone expect debian's grub utilities to configure third party kernels correctly? |
| 17:11.58 | daedhel | it is higly superior |
| 17:12.01 | abrotman | no, it works with a Debian kernel on a Debian system .. that's how it's supposed to work |
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| 17:12.17 | abrotman | if you want it to work on your chosen non-Debian kernel .. That's your decision, not our probelm |
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| 17:13.07 | daedhel | being rude and childish when I come here to gather some help some people could offer me is your decision |
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| 17:13.38 | abrotman | This is not a #debian problem .. It works with a Debian kernel .. ask the liquorix people how they messed up the kernel, not us |
| 17:13.46 | daedhel | what the point of being unfriendly or hostile |
| 17:13.51 | daedhel | just don,t answer |
| 17:13.53 | abrotman | you're offtopic |
| 17:13.57 | stew | daedhel: see if the packagee you installed lists a maintainer and ask him for how to configure the kernel |
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| 17:14.29 | daedhel | stew: will do |
| 17:14.42 | manu_hack | hi, i would like to modify the mouse in X, like making button 11 to emulate button 2, what should I look into? |
| 17:15.03 | daedhel | abrotman: they did not mess up the kernel, they improved it for desktop use |
| 17:15.09 | foetus | different kernels - different ways, whatever.. |
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| 17:15.16 | abrotman | daedhel: do you mean "improved" in that it doesn't boot anymore? |
| 17:15.25 | abrotman | manu_hack: you want to map 11 to 2 ? |
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| 17:15.37 | manu_hack | abrotman: yes |
| 17:15.39 | daedhel | abrotman: you are voluntarily and childishly being obtuse |
| 17:15.41 | stew | manu_hack: look at the "pointer" directive to xmodmap |
| 17:15.49 | stew | daedhel: abrotman: lets just drop it and move on |
| 17:16.11 | abrotman | daedhel: please ask the maintainer of your kernel, have a nice day |
| 17:16.22 | manu_hack | stew: i looked in xmodmap, that example for pointer is too short, where can i have a more detailed info? |
| 17:16.42 | stew | manu_hack: xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 2" |
| 17:16.45 | danishman | try ask Linus Torvald about your kernel problems ? |
| 17:16.50 | stew | (iirc) |
| 17:16.58 | daedhel | there mus be a doc somewhere telling how to configure the kernel line in grub for LUKS/LVM |
| 17:17.01 | abrotman | the xorg.conf can also be used to map the buttons IIRC |
| 17:17.10 | daedhel | i cant believe no such thing exists |
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| 17:17.39 | stew | daedhel: you can see your current grub configs which are working in /boot/grub and/or /etc/grub if that helps |
| 17:17.54 | jhutchins_lt | daedhel: I'm sure that information exists somewhere in the liquorix world. It does not exist in #debian. |
| 17:18.05 | daedhel | jhutchins_lt: how come? |
| 17:18.24 | Bushmills | abrotman: i think the term was "superiour", not "improved" |
| 17:18.24 | stew | manu_hack: that should read "button 1 sends button 1, button 2 sends button 2... button 11 sends button 2" |
| 17:18.35 | daedhel | jhutchins_lt: because the scripts do it automatically? Debian never documents the automatic work of the scripts ? |
| 17:18.36 | manu_hack | stew: thanks, that works, btw, I would like to know more about xmodmap |
| 17:18.37 | jhutchins_lt | daedhel: For the same reason that information on configuring a RHEL kernel is not here. |
| 17:18.43 | stew | manu_hack: man xmodmap |
| 17:19.11 | manu_hack | stew: i did, but i dont understand what are mod1 to mod5, where could I learn more? |
| 17:19.43 | daedhel | jhutchins_lt: you don,t understand. I am not asking for a specific information about a different kernel. I am asking information on how to configure grub to start a kernel with a LUKS/LVM partition |
| 17:19.55 | stew | daedhel: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html |
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| 17:20.36 | daedhel | stew: cant find references to luks on the page |
| 17:20.43 | daedhel | stew: but thanks anyway |
| 17:20.59 | abrotman | daedhel: there is also #grub |
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| 17:21.03 | stew | daedhel: there wouldn't be, the grub developers are against putting luks support in grub |
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| 17:21.22 | abrotman | (and a #lvm) |
| 17:21.28 | daedhel | stew: yeah? that's interesting. care to explain why (briefly) |
| 17:21.37 | stew | daedhel: i'm not a grub developer |
| 17:21.42 | daedhel | hm |
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| 17:22.04 | foetus | #gnu |
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| 17:23.10 | becker | hi I've got a bit of a dilema I used DD to copy an iso image to my new (only used 3 times) usb key & after checking the bios was correctly configured I can't get my netbook to boot from it. Ideas please? |
| 17:23.44 | stew | daedhel: you could search through your current working grub config for the debian kernels and verify that there is no luks configuration there |
| 17:24.39 | abrotman | becker: a debian install ISO ? |
| 17:25.18 | becker | abrotman: it's the latest crunchbang iso based on stable debian and they recommend DD as the best way to instal it too usb |
| 17:25.25 | jhutchins_lt | !tell becker about usb install |
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| 17:25.57 | abrotman | or ask the crunchbang people |
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| 17:26.17 | abrotman | becker: if they recommend 'dd', then it's different than Debian .. |
| 17:26.41 | becker | abrotman: what is the debian way? |
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| 17:26.49 | abrotman | the bot already told you |
| 17:26.50 | daedhel | stew: hmmmm must not be grub, the config lines are identical |
| 17:26.53 | daedhel | http://pastebin.com/yk7Fp43r |
| 17:27.08 | stew | daedhel: uhh, you are the one that is sure it is grub |
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| 17:27.30 | daedhel | stew: i am not sure about it. that's why I came here to ask |
| 17:27.45 | stew | daedhel: you have to figure out what additional has to be added to the "linux" line to make your kernel work (according to you, I don't believe this to be true) |
| 17:27.50 | becker | abrotman: okay checking it now. Although if it is unetbootin isn't that just a gui for dd |
| 17:28.11 | abrotman | becker: i don't know .. that's not the recommended debian way .. |
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| 17:28.30 | daedhel | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.34 | jhutchins_lt | becker: unetbootin also downloads the image from an unknown (to me) source. |
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| 17:29.01 | jhutchins_lt | becker: It seems to select slightly different images than I did manually. |
| 17:29.07 | becker | jhutchins_lt: yes it CAN do that or you can specify one you've already downloaded |
| 17:29.15 | jhutchins_lt | Ah. |
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| 17:29.32 | abrotman | becker: you should ask the crunchbang people .. The Debian instructions say to use cat, not dd |
| 17:29.46 | becker | jhutchins_lt: being disorganised anytime I've used it I' |
| 17:29.46 | stew | daedhel: that the kernel is the problem, not the way it is being called |
| 17:29.46 | becker | ve already d'loaded the image |
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| 17:30.05 | stew | daedhel: but anyway, good luck |
| 17:30.07 | jhutchins_lt | becker: Next step is to verify it's md5sum. |
| 17:30.08 | becker | abrotman: yeah just saw that now ... |
| 17:30.23 | themill | daedhel: there's a reasonable chance that their kernel package didn't create a decent initramfs. That's very much part of the packging. Ask them how they believe that is supposed to work. |
| 17:30.42 | abrotman | becker: try #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net |
| 17:31.03 | becker | abrotman: thanks |
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| 17:31.12 | daedhel | stew: themill AHH makes sense! thanks guys |
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| 17:32.06 | foetus | he's the technician ;) |
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| 17:33.04 | foetus | hopes, that fsck is coming to an end.. |
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| 17:43.21 | neoplus | hi |
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| 17:45.18 | scog1 | hi |
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| 17:45.33 | scog1 | hi |
| 17:46.00 | neoplus | hi |
| 17:46.05 | scog1 | i'm having problem updating sid today...it removed kernel and now I can't install (nor reboot because no kernel) |
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| 17:46.41 | scog1 | he following packages have unmet dependencies: linux-image-2.6.38-2-686 : Depends: linux-base (>= 3~) but it is not going to be installed |
| 17:47.01 | scog1 | is there a way to fix it? |
| 17:47.25 | puty|2 | hi. of course this is no debian question but still..... i would to see some match over web but if I'am outside the country i can't. any idea how to bypass that? no proxy solucion. thanks |
| 17:47.52 | scog1 | my source.list contains only deb http://debian.fastweb.it/debian/ sid main contrib non-free (but i added experimental just for installing iceweasel 4.0) |
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| 17:47.55 | scog1 | any hint? |
| 17:48.02 | themill | scog1: welcome to sid |
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| 17:48.40 | scog1 | themill: i used sid about 5 years ago, then I switched to ubuntu but I don't like Unity and just switched back to sid :) |
| 17:48.54 | themill | I'm not sure what you have to smile at right now |
| 17:48.59 | scog1 | I mean, is there some broken packages? |
| 17:49.05 | babilen | apparently :) |
| 17:49.11 | scog1 | themill: better than crying :) |
| 17:49.15 | babilen | scog1: Try the ones in wheezy |
| 17:49.17 | daemonkeeper | scog1: what themill meant: Sid is fairly broken right now (once again) |
| 17:49.25 | Bushmills | puty|2: a tunnel to a gateway inside the target country |
| 17:49.29 | scog1 | ok |
| 17:49.35 | daemonkeeper | scog1: This is why you are discouraged to use Sid |
| 17:49.37 | themill | scog1: perl is broken for the time being in sid as part of the 5.10 to 5.12 transition. That means linux-base is broken too. |
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| 17:49.43 | scog1 | the problem is now that even perl broekn |
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| 17:49.47 | scog1 | themill: indeed! |
| 17:49.53 | themill | dpkg: tell scog1 about snapshots |
| 17:50.23 | themill | scog1: you can downgrade stuff to older packages from snapshots that are hopefully still installable on your machine |
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| 17:50.35 | puty|2 | Bushmills thanks. any debian tools? |
| 17:50.40 | scog1 | themill: thanks, i missed sid broken :) |
| 17:50.52 | scog1 | ok let me find some info with dpkg... |
| 17:51.18 | scog1 | so the solution is to downgrade perl* ? |
| 17:51.24 | Bushmills | openvpn is a nice tool for giving both tunnel and route setting on client, using server as gateway |
| 17:51.31 | scog1 | or just remove the 5.12... |
| 17:51.41 | simonlnu | you can't remove it |
| 17:51.45 | scog1 | I just need what to know, not exactly what to do |
| 17:51.46 | simonlnu | downgrade |
| 17:51.50 | ompaul | noms on some openvpn goodness |
| 17:51.54 | scog1 | i still remember some command :P |
| 17:51.56 | scog1 | ah ok |
| 17:52.12 | scog1 | so just downgrade perl to 5.10 ? |
| 17:52.29 | simonlnu | !downgrade |
| 17:52.29 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 17:52.41 | Bushmills | puty|2: if ompaul seconds it, it can't be wrong :) |
| 17:52.42 | scog1 | perl, perl-base, perl-modules i guess |
| 17:52.49 | simonlnu | !snapshots |
| 17:52.49 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 17:53.04 | ompaul | Bushmills: I have it for breakfast dinner and tea ;-) |
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| 17:53.18 | frooh | hey guys, I just installed from the netinst testing disc and ran into a couple (fairly major) issues; where should I post those? |
| 17:53.19 | puty|2 | Bushmills thanks |
| 17:53.29 | foetus | is doing same backup stuff meanwhile.. |
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| 17:53.34 | frooh | or even check if they are already noted |
| 17:53.54 | simonlnu | frooh: /msg dpkg release notes and /msg dpkg bts |
| 17:54.17 | babilen | frooh: let me guess: udev fuckup? → check the BTS |
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| 17:54.55 | frooh | babilen: no, LVM couldn't mount at all without an fsck |
| 17:55.07 | ompaul | puty|2: just take your time using it, it demands certain things. the best thing to do is prove to yourself you can set up a very simple version. then rip that out (having saved configs to one side) then go build the real network interconnect you want, rewarding, and interesting, build things one point at a time, box to box, box on net a to box on net b with viewing off all net b (net b is server ;-)) |
| 17:55.13 | frooh | and also I had to unplug and replug my keyboard and mouse to get either to work |
| 17:55.14 | simonlnu | *blink* |
| 17:55.51 | karlpinc | Why does the default (squeeze) rsyslog.conf file have *.=info;*.=notice;*.=warn; for /var/log/messages? I thought that it would log the given priority and higher, so the first 2 are redundant. (I'm obviously missing something.) |
| 17:57.17 | puty|2 | ompaul ok thanks so much. i'am on it xd. install finished. now checking help xd |
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| 17:58.25 | karlpinc | *doh* It's got '=' signs. I wasn't paying attention. |
| 17:58.44 | foetus | must reboot |
| 17:59.28 | ompaul | puty|2: iirc tap on windows and tun on the best of operating systems ;-) |
| 17:59.36 | Bushmills | puty|2: peruse the howto. link found on /j #openvpn, entering !howto |
| 18:00.38 | ompaul | puty|2: http://www.openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/howto.html |
| 18:00.44 | puty|2 | thanks of course debian |
| 18:00.47 | puty|2 | xd |
| 18:00.47 | ompaul | hah |
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| 18:01.41 | puty|2 | i would to like see todat match russia-slovakia but slovak tv is locked |
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| 18:02.07 | puty|2 | i have to read and learn very fast |
| 18:02.08 | puty|2 | xd |
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| 18:03.54 | scog1 | perl downgraded, libuuid-perl too |
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| 18:04.03 | scog1 | let's hope :) |
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| 18:06.40 | scog1 | I did it! Kernel installed! Thanks guys! |
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| 18:07.52 | scog1 | last question, I remember that about 5 years ago there was a warning to what was broken on sid, so people just read the topic on #debian and see if they could do an update |
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| 18:08.12 | scog1 | maybe I don't remember ok... |
| 18:08.20 | scog1 | but i was almost sure |
| 18:08.56 | babilen | scog1: You are thinking of #d-d (and not everything is listed there) |
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| 18:09.56 | Well | hi |
| 18:09.59 | scog1 | #d-d on this server? |
| 18:10.18 | Well | what? |
| 18:10.37 | scog1 | gotta reboot |
| 18:10.40 | scog1 | thanks |
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| 18:11.31 | Well | someone to help me with a fan problem on amilo M7440 |
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| 18:14.22 | onryo | Hmm ... is LibreOffice in the repos? |
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| 18:15.14 | nkuttler | !tell onryo about pdo |
| 18:15.20 | ompaul | onryo: I hope so given that I installed it ;-) |
| 18:15.21 | stew | judd: versions libreoffice |
| 18:15.24 | judd | Package libreoffice on i386 -- wheezy: 1:3.3.2-2; sid: 1:3.3.2-3 |
| 18:15.36 | ompaul | woops I should have said I am on sid |
| 18:16.03 | ompaul | onryo: so that says not on squeeze |
| 18:16.03 | nkuttler | ompaul: then you should know how to use apt-cache or aptitude |
| 18:16.06 | stew | onryo: so not available if you are on stable(squeeze) or oldstable(lenny) |
| 18:16.39 | onryo | I am on Squeeze and can't find it with apt or aptitude. Weird. |
| 18:16.43 | ompaul | nkuttler: I might do |
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| 18:16.57 | stew | onryo: not weird. its not available for squeeze. It didn't exist when squeeze was frozen |
| 18:17.01 | ompaul | onryo: no it is not on sqeeze it is on the next version upstream |
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| 18:17.27 | abrotman | onryo: use OpenOffice |
| 18:17.29 | onryo | ompaul ahh that explains a bit |
| 18:17.32 | stew | .org |
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| 18:17.59 | onryo | abrotman I just got rid of abrotman. I really do not like Oracle |
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| 18:18.13 | onryo | openoffice* |
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| 18:18.21 | DSpair | I have installed a package which has an invalid architecture value "x84_64", and now I cannot get it uninstalled. Could someone point me in the right direction? |
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| 18:19.03 | onryo | ompaul OK well then Ill guess Ill just allow upstream to be downloaded. |
| 18:19.04 | cusco_ | use debian repos |
| 18:19.25 | DSpair | cusco_: Is that aimed at me? |
| 18:19.51 | ompaul | DSpair: what package and where did you get it from? |
| 18:20.07 | DSpair | ompaul: It's an internally developed project for our company. |
| 18:20.28 | DSpair | ompaul: My co-worker set the architecture incorrectly and like an idiot I forced it in. |
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| 18:21.01 | ompaul | DSpair: well done, I think you need your co worker to work out a fix |
| 18:21.07 | DSpair | ompaul: I've tried all of the usual ideas like "dpkg --purge --force-all <pkg>" |
| 18:21.46 | DSpair | ompaul: Derisive comments don't help to solve the problem. |
| 18:21.48 | ompaul | you are going to have to undo the damage by hand of whatever they did |
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| 18:22.04 | DSpair | ompaul: OK, how do I get in and undo a package by hand? |
| 18:22.08 | _linuxftw | Is it a security risk if users such as bin,sys,games,man,news, etc have proper login shells (/bin/sh)? |
| 18:22.11 | romel | hi guys. what is the proper way to change 'root' parameter in grub2 on debian (i mean, without direct modification of /boot/grub/grub.cfg as this is incorrect way if I understand things correctly) |
| 18:22.30 | ompaul | DSpair: you parse his install script and rip everything in there out |
| 18:22.32 | DSpair | _linuxftw: Absolutely. |
| 18:22.45 | _linuxftw | DSpair, under what conditions? |
| 18:23.01 | Well | squeeze fan 2.6.37 amilo M7440 |
| 18:23.02 | ompaul | DSpair: wrong on that last one and you bought my lack of ability to help you right there well done |
| 18:23.12 | DSpair | _linuxftw: Under any conditions where your computer could be accessed by other people. |
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| 18:23.24 | _linuxftw | But nobody can login to these accounts, they don't have passwords set |
| 18:23.39 | twobitsprite | _linuxftw: why do you need them to have login shells? |
| 18:23.43 | _linuxftw | no |
| 18:23.54 | _linuxftw | (I mean, I don't need them to) |
| 18:23.56 | ompaul | _linuxftw: it is usual for users to have some way to get access to those places to run programs according to the level of access they have accorded to them and the binary to it |
| 18:24.29 | twobitsprite | _linuxftw: just asking out of curiosity? |
| 18:24.32 | _linuxftw | yes |
| 18:24.33 | rhalff | hi I've installed xen-utils-common on squeeze, but there seem to be no scripts being installed at all, overhere I see all I need: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/all/xen-utils-common/filelist but when I install it /etc/xen is empty en /etc/init.d is empty etc. ? any clue what can be the install problem ? |
| 18:24.44 | _linuxftw | ompaul, I don't follow what you're saying |
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| 18:25.45 | _linuxftw | and, should they be set to /dev/null, or /bin/false, or left blank? |
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| 18:26.49 | twobitsprite | _linuxftw: well, those users are just there for system use and aren't intended for users to log in to directly. As such, the security considerations for them are designed with that assumption in mind. I.e., when the people who set up the security policies do what they do, they don't check to make sure the "bin" user has the proper restrictions... so who knows what kind of vulnerabilities could be lurking if you opened those accounts up for |
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| 18:27.32 | _linuxftw | Ok, so it's a "just incase" measure, rather than to stop a known problem |
| 18:27.51 | _linuxftw | Any idea about /dev/null vs /bin/false? |
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| 18:28.40 | twobitsprite | _linuxftw: both will work... but /bin/nologin is generally used for that purpose |
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| 18:28.49 | twobitsprite | er, /usr/sbin/nologin |
| 18:31.12 | _linuxftw | Alright, thanks for the help |
| 18:31.14 | twobitsprite | wait... just scrolled up and read the original question |
| 18:31.28 | twobitsprite | those accounts have login shells by default it seems |
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| 18:31.40 | twobitsprite | and I don't think it will be a problem unless a password is set for them |
| 18:31.50 | twobitsprite | I would say leave the defaults as they are in the /etc/passwd |
| 18:31.59 | _linuxftw | Well, they're /usr/sbin/nologin now, I can't think of how it would cause an issue though |
| 18:32.11 | ompaul | _linuxftw: if you give a user /dev/null they can do nothing, therefore giving that account in the first place is most likely a waste of both your and their times |
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| 18:32.32 | DSpair | For anyone who may have wanted to know, I did finally find the answer: You can manually delete the package information from /var/lib/dpkg/status and then manually delete the files |
| 18:32.54 | twobitsprite | actually, now that I think about it.... those accounts exist for a reason, and if they don't have a shell I think it might cause problems |
| 18:33.31 | twobitsprite | for example, if some service sheds it's root privs ad makes itself, say, the "bin" user, it won't have a shell to run in |
| 18:34.03 | _linuxftw | well, I'll change it back then |
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| 18:34.52 | twobitsprite | _linuxftw: yeah... I would say leave the default /etc/passwd entries alone :) |
| 18:36.04 | twobitsprite | _linuxftw: are you setting up a new server and just trying to make it secure? |
| 18:36.22 | _linuxftw | No, just noticed it now and thought I'd check if they were supposed to have login shells |
| 18:36.36 | twobitsprite | _linuxftw: ok :) |
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| 18:39.11 | Iridos | _linuxftw, there's other ways to become a user than by logging in |
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| 18:39.41 | _linuxftw | I thought only root could change their UID without a SUID bit? |
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| 18:40.11 | Iridos | if you break into the server via a security hole in apache, you will be the apache user... |
| 18:40.25 | _linuxftw | Good point |
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| 18:40.53 | Iridos | well, probably doesn't make a big difference in that case as you make apache execute /bin/sh or the like anyway |
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| 18:41.35 | Iridos | _linuxftw, but you can have privilege elevation via bugs in suid-binaries... and possibly some of them rely on you having a valid shell (or the like) |
| 18:42.00 | Iridos | actually can't come up with a valid example out of nothing... |
| 18:42.18 | Iridos | but the point about security breaches is that they use methods you didn't think of... |
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| 18:42.59 | Bushmills | openboot machines, like sun, could be hotkeyed to open the openboot window, in which it was possible to write to process credential structure (which also contains the UID). that way, one could change UIDs without being root. |
| 18:43.06 | _linuxftw | Which is a good argument to always lock down these accounts with nologin shells, but it isn't done by default so who knows |
| 18:43.42 | Iridos | some of them might need valid shells |
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| 18:44.14 | Iridos | any that has cron jobs running under the user, perhaps? |
| 18:44.57 | Iridos | yeah, dunno why there is a games user and why he's got a valid shell |
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| 18:52.41 | jjjonas | i have an urgent issue with my server its reachable withing the datacenter but not externally |
| 18:53.05 | jjjonas | can someone have a look on the log here? http://pastie.org/1861391 |
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| 18:54.29 | stew | jjjonas: can you show us the output of "ip a ; ip r" ? |
| 18:54.33 | roosters | is it possible to make my hostname for example: U.N.C.L.E |
| 18:55.27 | stew | roosters: /msg dpkg hostname |
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| 18:55.40 | stew | roosters: that could be your fqdn, the hostname itself in that case would be U |
| 18:55.48 | roosters | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:56.13 | roosters | ah ,,, i see |
| 18:56.16 | roosters | arghh. |
| 18:56.16 | stew | jjjonas: fwiw, i can query those nameservers |
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| 18:56.34 | binbrain | is there a single cmd to get ONLY the list of installed packages? I don't any other status then 'i' returned. |
| 18:57.28 | binbrain | so, dpkg -l and dpkg --get-selection don't fit |
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| 18:58.37 | roosters | stew i tried it once and only had the U; ~ as you stated stew....but when i ran hostname it showed i had U.N.C.L.E as my host name but in the terminal only came up as U: |
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| 18:58.51 | stew | roosters: hostname --fqdn |
| 18:58.55 | bencc | "cat /proc/sys/fs/file-nr" gives me "1024 0 38001" The file descriptors are used mainly by root and www-data so why do I hit the 1024 limit? |
| 18:59.06 | stew | binbrain: aptitude search '~i' |
| 18:59.07 | babilen | binbrain: something like: aptitude search '~i' -F '%100p' ? |
| 18:59.11 | bencc | isn't it 1024 per user? |
| 18:59.23 | babilen | binbrain: What do you need that list for? |
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| 18:59.49 | jjjonas | http://pastie.org/1861431 |
| 19:00.53 | roosters | yes...stew done that got the hostname. |
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| 19:01.55 | stew | jjjonas: well it looks like you are trying to query your nameservers using ipv6, but the only ipv6 address you have are the link local addresses |
| 19:01.59 | stew | and shoot, i meant ip -6 r |
| 19:02.16 | stew | but, that doesn't really matter if you don't have routable ipv6 addresses |
| 19:02.45 | jjjonas | ip -6 r fe80::/64 dev eth0 proto kernel metric 256 mtu 1500 advmss 1440 hoplimit 4294 967295 fe80::/64 dev eth1 proto kernel metric 256 mtu 1500 advmss 1440 hoplimit 4294 967295 |
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| 19:03.40 | jjjonas | i can ping and connect from with in the same subnet but kind of slow, externally its dead |
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| 19:03.49 | stew | jjjonas: i can ping your router, via ipv4, but not the host |
| 19:04.01 | jjjonas | exactly |
| 19:04.11 | stew | jjjonas: iptables? |
| 19:04.33 | jjjonas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:06.39 | stew | jjjonas: i would check with tcpdump if packets are arriving |
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| 19:06.48 | stew | jjjonas: or if packets are arriving on eth1 instead of eth0 |
| 19:06.51 | koskoz | hi |
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| 19:07.35 | koskoz | does someone has a good mysql backup script, which organize the files by days, by weeks and by months? |
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| 19:07.52 | jjjonas | stew: apt-get install .. (no chance) |
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| 19:08.54 | stew | jjjonas: dpkg -i |
| 19:09.13 | babilen | koskoz: http://wiki.dirvish.org/MysqlBackup |
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| 19:09.45 | koskoz | babilen: thanks |
| 19:10.01 | koskoz | babilen: I'll read about dirvish |
| 19:11.14 | jjjonas | stew: 1minute... what to ask the tool then? |
| 19:11.49 | stew | jjjonas: if when you try to ping and expect the ping packets to arrive on eth0 they arrive on eth1 instead |
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| 19:12.32 | ConnorVM | Using a VM as a server is a marvelous idea. |
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| 19:16.19 | xian | Hi. I have a small fonts-related problem: I don't see ttf fonts (such as dejavu fonts) in xlsfonts. They are available in all kinds of applications (iceweasel, emacs etc.) but I just don't see them in xlsfonts or xfontsel. It would be great to have them there though. |
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| 19:16.59 | abrotman | was that spam? |
| 19:17.16 | jjjonas | :D |
| 19:19.10 | Iridos | what exactly? |
| 19:19.15 | Iridos | perhaps my filter caught it |
| 19:19.30 | jjjonas | stew: tell me more |
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| 19:20.26 | jjjonas | stew: how to make it track the pings on both devices |
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| 19:21.51 | dutchfish | jjjonas, http://kb.pert.geant.net/PERTKB/TcpdumpExamples |
| 19:22.40 | jjjonas | tcpdump -vv -i eth1 tcpdump: WARNING: eth1: no IPv4 address assigned |
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| 19:25.01 | dutchfish | jjjonas, -vv ip6 or proto ipv6 |
| 19:25.33 | foetus | is cooking a big pot potato soup.. |
| 19:26.22 | jjjonas | stew: where to put the ip6`? |
| 19:26.27 | dutchfish | jjjonas, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/x811.html |
| 19:26.32 | stew | jjjonas: are you trying to get connectivity via ipv6 or ipv4? |
| 19:26.41 | abrotman | foetus: have you tried #debian-offtopic |
| 19:27.37 | jjjonas | does not matter? it was ip4 usually |
| 19:27.47 | dutchfish | sigh |
| 19:28.07 | jjjonas | =] |
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| 19:28.15 | dutchfish | jjjonas, if it was ipv4, i misread |
| 19:28.17 | stew | jjjonas: when you try to ping 85.17.147.6 does tcpdump show the packet arriving on either interface? |
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| 19:28.32 | jjjonas | no |
| 19:28.39 | jjjonas | but the ping is answered |
| 19:28.42 | stew | jjjonas: are you sure you have the ip address/gateway correct? |
| 19:28.45 | jjjonas | when i ping from the same subnet |
| 19:29.04 | jjjonas | yes |
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| 19:29.24 | stew | jjjonas: when the ping is answered, you see it in tcpdump? |
| 19:29.31 | jjjonas | no |
| 19:29.41 | jjjonas | im connected to ssh and ping it with another 85.17.147.* server |
| 19:29.57 | jjjonas | externally its dead |
| 19:30.07 | jjjonas | and it does not show anything in tcpdump |
| 19:30.10 | stew | jjjonas: you see lots of ssh traffic when you tcpdump one of the two interfaces though, right? |
| 19:30.37 | stew | [6~ |
| 19:30.43 | onryo | I wrote a script that install, update and remove from 3 Gits FFmpeg, x264, VP8. I wrote it for Natty but moved over to Debian yesterday. Was wondering if there is a problem with the Deb dependencies. I am porting this to Debian as we type. |
| 19:30.44 | onryo | http://pastebin.com/uHZx6wJR |
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| 19:31.14 | jesselang | How do I get a list of recently upgraded packages? |
| 19:31.49 | abrotman | jesselang: /var/log/ has a few logs related to package management |
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| 19:32.13 | onryo | Yes I am a nub when it comes to Debian but after looking at that mess that Ubuntu did with Unity it was time to move on. |
| 19:32.29 | jesselang | My notebook now starts with rfkill set to soft-block my wifi and bluetooth devices. I'd like to find out why, and see about a proper work-around. |
| 19:33.05 | jesselang | I'm using testing, with the iwlagn driver. |
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| 19:33.11 | jjjonas | http://pastie.org/1861541 here we go |
| 19:33.35 | jjjonas | stew: the ssh traffic seems not to show up also |
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| 19:34.29 | stew | oh, duh. jjjonas you need a -n since your dns doesn't work |
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| 19:35.25 | stew | jjjonas: but this really seems like something you should be talking to a network administrator about |
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| 19:35.40 | adac | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:38.10 | jjjonas | stew: ok,here one more http://pastie.org/1861555 scroll down a bit so there is eth0 on which the most is happening... |
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| 19:39.05 | ConnorVM | Oh |
| 19:39.06 | ConnorVM | I see now. |
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| 19:39.13 | ConnorVM | I have to check the "use option as meta key" on a mac. |
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| 19:39.20 | abrotman | adac: the man page may specify, a lot of times it's like -no-verify-cert |
| 19:39.23 | ConnorVM | I am not a fan of Mac OS X. |
| 19:39.29 | abrotman | or no-validate-cert |
| 19:39.57 | twobitsprite | hmm... winetricks keeps erroring out: http://paste.debian.net/115917/ |
| 19:40.09 | twobitsprite | this is a fresh wine/winetricks install on current testing |
| 19:40.13 | stew | jjjonas: 218.32.58.2.80 > 85.17.147.7.37434? are you sure this thing isn't .7 instead of .6? |
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| 19:40.20 | stew | jjjonas: you shoudl be talking to your network adminmistrator |
| 19:40.22 | twobitsprite | no bugs reported on the bts... |
| 19:41.28 | jjjonas | 85.17.147.7.37434 does exist but its absolutely .6 |
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| 19:44.31 | Raptors | hey guys |
| 19:44.38 | Raptors | how do I enable a apache site? |
| 19:44.43 | Raptors | in sites-available |
| 19:44.59 | nsadmin | move it to sites-enabled? |
| 19:45.03 | nsadmin | or copy |
| 19:45.09 | Raptors | there was a command |
| 19:45.10 | Raptors | though |
| 19:45.30 | abrotman | a2enmod |
| 19:45.34 | abrotman | erm .. a2ensite |
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| 19:46.02 | stew | jjjonas: you shouldn't be seeing traffic for .7 if this machine isn't .7. i'll bet the switch has some bad arp and needs a reset |
| 19:46.08 | dkr | yeah, those commands are a bit awkward |
| 19:46.54 | stew | oh wait |
| 19:47.01 | stew | he left |
| 19:47.16 | stew | and he does have the problem I originally thought he had. his eth0 traffic shows up on eth1 |
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| 19:47.31 | stew | i just hadn't scrolled all the way down in his paste |
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| 19:53.30 | jjjjjjonas | stew: sorry, did you say anything else about my issue? |
| 19:53.43 | jjjjjjonas | is anyone else at leaseweb?:D |
| 19:54.08 | nsadmin | <stew> and he does have the problem I originally thought he had. his eth0 traffic shows up on eth1 |
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| 19:54.55 | stew | jjjjjjonas: that is, if your pastebin is accurate and the second part (with all the ssh traffic) is actually on eth1 |
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| 19:55.43 | commodore256 | I need to dump my qemu image to a hard drive |
| 19:56.03 | commodore256 | I tried it and failed |
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| 19:57.23 | jjjjjjonas | stew: so what can i do then? |
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| 19:57.44 | nsadmin | commodore256, how did you fail? |
| 19:57.47 | commodore256 | Tell me what I'm doing wrong |
| 19:57.57 | nsadmin | what did you do? |
| 19:58.08 | commodore256 | sudo dd if=/home/me/Debian.img of=/dev/sdb1 conv=sync,noerror bs=64K |
| 19:58.49 | commodore256 | I needed to install it in vbox first because of wifi drivers |
| 19:58.52 | nsadmin | what is the indication of failure? |
| 19:59.19 | commodore256 | It not booting |
| 19:59.38 | nsadmin | how have you arranged to boot? |
| 19:59.49 | commodore256 | lol |
| 20:00.06 | commodore256 | I thought the dd would set up the fdisk stuff |
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| 20:00.24 | nsadmin | you mean partition your drive? |
| 20:00.41 | nsadmin | so, the image is actually meant for a whole disk? |
| 20:00.44 | jesselang|laptop | I guess I have a new version of udev. Anyone have their wireless/bluetooth start soft-blocking on boot? |
| 20:01.37 | commodore256 | Orginally, but it's now a 32gb partition |
| 20:02.26 | jjjjjjonas | stew:? |
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| 20:02.51 | jesselang|laptop | New version of acpi, too. |
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| 20:07.11 | jesselang|laptop | _________, you could be mistaken for a placeholder. |
| 20:07.36 | jesselang|laptop | Are you a bot, or do you just want to be rather anonymous? |
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| 20:14.19 | jelly-home | jesselang|laptop: it's just a person with a quirk, and that quirk has gotten them silenced on the channel at least once |
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| 20:15.07 | jesselang|laptop | jelly-home, must be some quirk. |
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| 20:15.48 | ws2k3 | hello guys i installed ftpd with apt-get install ftpd. and i created a user ftp but i can login with ftp but i cannot create directory's i think i need to assign it as a home map or crown it i only dont know how to do that any advice? |
| 20:16.37 | robokop | ws2k3: my first hint is don't use ftp unless their really is no other option |
| 20:16.51 | robokop | ftp protocol is outdated and quite insecure |
| 20:16.58 | ws2k3 | i know |
| 20:17.04 | ws2k3 | it just for project. |
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| 20:19.10 | ws2k3 | but how should i fix this issue for now? |
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| 20:19.58 | robokop | i never used ftpd, but is the ftp user a real system user or is it a user for ftpd? |
| 20:20.02 | jelly-home | ws2k3: you will have to read your ftpd's documentation on how to create a writable incoming directory |
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| 20:20.16 | jjjjjjonas | stew:are you there? |
| 20:23.23 | ws2k3 | a real system user |
| 20:24.59 | ws2k3 | i'm having some problems with installing smokeping |
| 20:25.00 | ws2k3 | http://paste.debian.net/115919/ |
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| 20:27.13 | ws2k3 | any advice |
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| 20:27.56 | stew | ws2k3: replace the missing config files. i'd check the postinst script for the package to see where they come from. the package probably uses ucf and stores unadultered config files in /usr/share/smokeping (but that is a guess) |
| 20:28.00 | stew | jjjjjjonas: yes |
| 20:28.31 | Bushmills | ws2k3: i changed smokeping to a munin plugin, pinging the same site. smokeping is a one-trick pony. munin can do much more, including latency graphing. |
| 20:28.38 | jjjjjjonas | <stew> jjjjjjonas: that is, if your pastebin is accurate and the second part (with all the ssh traffic) is actually on eth1 |
| 20:28.39 | Bushmills | same sites. |
| 20:28.56 | jjjjjjonas | stew: what was your idea about that? |
| 20:29.08 | stew | jjjjjjonas: that perhaps eth0 and eth1 are backwards |
| 20:29.18 | stew | jjjjjjonas: can you login to the router? can you reset the switch? |
| 20:29.23 | ws2k3 | bushmills yeah thanks apt-get remove --purge smokeping did the job |
| 20:29.36 | Bushmills | though smokeping worked here |
| 20:29.44 | jjjjjjonas | stew: how to try changeing that? |
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| 20:29.49 | stew | jjjjjjonas: though I have a feeling that you also mis-pasted |
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| 20:29.59 | stew | jjjjjjonas: unplug the cable from one and try it in the other |
| 20:30.00 | ws2k3 | i'm still having issues with my ftpd server |
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| 20:30.18 | stew | jjjjjjonas: (is the easiest way) but i suspect that the second have of you paste was mislabeled as coming from eth1 |
| 20:30.45 | Bushmills | ws2k3: aptitude purge will help you with that too |
| 20:31.00 | jjjjjjonas | stew: it was indeed eth1 |
| 20:31.02 | stew | ws2k3: why use ftp instead of sftp? |
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| 20:31.09 | ws2k3 | i do.. |
| 20:31.13 | ws2k3 | i dont use sftp.. |
| 20:31.21 | stew | why don't use you sftp? |
| 20:31.43 | jjjjjjonas | stew:oh hold on:D it was not both eth1 :D |
| 20:31.52 | ws2k3 | ahh sorry i misread ur statement. uhm one because i dont know how to configure sftp on debian and two it intern only. |
| 20:32.12 | Bushmills | both reasons to use sftp |
| 20:32.15 | jjjjjjonas | stew:the second half is eth0 of course =] |
| 20:32.24 | stew | ws2k3: you know how to configure this ftpd though? |
| 20:32.33 | ws2k3 | yeah |
| 20:32.41 | ws2k3 | but i dont have to ftpd uses real system users |
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| 20:32.46 | stew | jjjjjjonas: i'd reset the switch as I guess that you have an arp cache problem in the switch |
| 20:32.52 | ws2k3 | but i think i need to chown the user or something |
| 20:32.56 | stew | ws2k3: sftpd uses real system users |
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| 20:33.17 | ws2k3 | because the default user in debian can log in. |
| 20:33.22 | ws2k3 | stew thanks. |
| 20:33.34 | stew | ws2k3: what exactly is the problem you are having? |
| 20:33.50 | Bushmills | you can restrict user shells to allow sftp while not allowing ssh logons |
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| 20:34.11 | ws2k3 | i have created a user and i can login at it. but i cannt create directory's of add users. |
| 20:34.29 | ws2k3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:35.36 | Bushmills | considers a system with ftpd as potentially compromised |
| 20:35.41 | stew | ws2k3: what are the permissions/ownership of the parent directory |
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| 20:36.02 | stew | ws2k3: what does "think the user has assign it as his home directory" mean? |
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| 20:36.30 | ws2k3 | i mean that i think that |
| 20:37.23 | ws2k3 | ls -l does : drwxr-xr-x 5 ftp ftp 4096 May 3 15:11 ftp |
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| 20:38.05 | mete | hi all |
| 20:38.06 | mete | does anyone knows a software similar to smokeping, but with traceroute graphs? :) |
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| 20:39.19 | Bushmills | mete: munin can do that |
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| 20:39.52 | Bushmills | mete: if there's no plugin which does exactly what you need, you may have to script one yourself. |
| 20:39.56 | mete | hmmh, you know which plugin? I'm using munin :) |
| 20:40.05 | Bushmills | lemme check ... |
| 20:40.27 | ws2k3 | stew any advice? |
| 20:40.32 | mete | you know the cmd command "mtr" Bushmills? something like that, but for the webbrowser with some stats would be very nice :)) |
| 20:40.45 | Bushmills | leme, is there a ping_ plugin? |
| 20:40.56 | mete | mom |
| 20:41.01 | stew | ws2k3: that's not the directory then (if you are running as the ftp user) |
| 20:41.21 | mete | Bushmills: jep: ping_ |
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| 20:41.43 | stew | ws2k3: i don't know anything about configuring this ftpd though. if that is the correct directory, then it doesn't appear to be a problem with filesystem permissions |
| 20:42.01 | Bushmills | that's a wild card plugin to graph latency. only sum of all hops, not one graph per hop. |
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| 20:42.25 | mete | jep, so I need to get a modified version, heh :) |
| 20:42.42 | Bushmills | i don't know of a plugin which graphs all hops, but if i feel like it, i might through one together. unless you do it first. |
| 20:42.49 | Bushmills | throw |
| 20:42.51 | mete | I will try to do something ;) I'm not familiar with such thing, but I will try :P |
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| 20:43.10 | mete | a few years ago I had one for windows... but I need one for linux ;) |
| 20:43.11 | mete | heh |
| 20:43.24 | Bushmills | pluigins are simple to write. http://scarydevilmonastery.net/munin.cgi here you should be able to find a few very simple ones |
| 20:43.31 | ws2k3 | stew i see that the the directory created true ftp are actualy created |
| 20:43.38 | ws2k3 | they are only not listed in the ftp client |
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| 20:43.45 | ws2k3 | they are listed in console |
| 20:43.57 | mete | thank you very much Bushmills |
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| 20:44.40 | Bushmills | the mypid one is very simple. could be used as base to start with |
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| 20:45.26 | jjjjjjonas | stew:i rebooted the switch again but did not work |
| 20:45.30 | Bushmills | pluginsize is the next in the list of complexity, increasing |
| 20:45.44 | stew | jjjjjjonas: this seems like a problem at the router |
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| 20:46.43 | mete | ok |
| 20:46.51 | jjjjjjonas | stew: this is the traffic graph of the router http://img856.imageshack.us/slideshow/webplayer.php?id=graph2.png actually only .6 is consumeing the 5mbit and no thing else |
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| 20:48.12 | jjjjjjonas | i asked leaseb about the strange traffic before but they said everything was fine several times. all logs were fine. now i wonder if it might be related |
| 20:48.20 | jjjjjjonas | *leaseweb |
| 20:48.38 | Bushmills | mete: packages is one of the simpler multi-graph plugins |
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| 20:50.50 | mete | k :) |
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| 20:52.31 | jjjjjjonas | its a procurve 2810 switch |
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| 20:57.22 | jjjjjjonas | does someone have an idea which kind of attack this could be? http://img856.imageshack.us/slideshow/webplayer.php?id=graph2.png |
| 20:57.33 | jjjjjjonas | all logs fine |
| 20:57.54 | mete | ddos? ^^ |
| 20:57.55 | jjjjjjonas | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.07 | mete | ab jjjjjjonas? |
| 20:58.15 | jjjjjjonas | ab? |
| 20:58.21 | mete | google for ab |
| 20:58.23 | mete | apache benchmark |
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| 20:58.29 | mete | can be used perfectly for ddos |
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| 20:58.54 | mete | with this tool you can simulate as many clients and requests you would |
| 20:58.54 | mete | xD |
| 20:59.40 | jjjjjjonas | i did not notice more apache clients or apache logs |
| 21:00.18 | jjjjjjonas | i wonder if that, what ever it is possibly did any harm besides wasteing traffic |
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| 21:02.41 | Postmodernist | I'm trying to install Debian Squeeze and the d*** thing is stuck on a download that's stalled |
| 21:03.07 | Postmodernist | "Retrieving file 110 of 114 (4h 15 minutes remaining)" |
| 21:03.25 | Postmodernist | Obviously it'll never get the file, which is like 2mb |
| 21:03.58 | Postmodernist | Is there anything I can do from the console to get it to retry (which would fix the problem)? |
| 21:04.35 | jhutchins_lt | Postmodernist: This is a wild shot in the dark - hopefully someone has a better answer - but you could try a Ctrl-C to cancel that one file. |
| 21:05.03 | jhutchins_lt | Postmodernist: Are you out of disk space? Did the connection get dropped? |
| 21:05.27 | Postmodernist | jhutchins_lt: I tried that in the console (hit alt-f4 to get to it). Didn't seem to do anything. :( |
| 21:05.57 | jhutchins_lt | It would probably be from the screen showing the progress. The console wouldn't have a process to cancel. |
| 21:06.00 | Postmodernist | jhutchins_lt: I think the connection has died, but it hasn't indicated that. It's still waiting |
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| 21:07.25 | Postmodernist | Maybe I could get the PID of wget or whatever Debian's installer uses and kill it and see what Debian does |
| 21:08.07 | eft | is there a way to pipe console output when running apt-get install? |
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| 21:09.01 | Postmodernist | The time estimate just went down from 4 hours to 2 hours :) |
| 21:09.11 | Postmodernist | Is that the estimate for how long to just download one file though? |
| 21:09.35 | mete | Bushmills: hah, there is some version of somekping for traceroute... lol :)) http://oss.oetiker.ch/smokeping/doc/smoketrace.en.html |
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| 21:09.59 | jhutchins_lt | Postmodernist: I think it's an estimate for all remaining files, and a jump like that suggests it got a piece. |
| 21:10.11 | jhutchins_lt | Postmodernist: Could be the mirror is not feeling well. |
| 21:10.31 | Postmodernist | Back up to 4 hours :( |
| 21:10.35 | Postmodernist | Maybe |
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| 21:11.32 | Postmodernist | thinks it's because Time Warner in lower Manhattan f***ing sucks |
| 21:11.46 | Postmodernist | (Even business class, which we have) |
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| 21:12.58 | Postmodernist | Would I have been better off with the graphical installer? |
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| 21:15.41 | nsadmin | would it suck less if it were from upper manhattan? |
| 21:15.49 | Postmodernist | nsadmin: Maybe. |
| 21:16.25 | nsadmin | so your install.... failed? what happened? |
| 21:16.43 | Postmodernist | My Time Warner access was good in Upper West Side, but it has been horrid in the financial district (too many day traders? :p) |
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| 21:17.11 | nsadmin | oh, time warner is your isp? |
| 21:17.16 | Postmodernist | Yeah |
| 21:17.43 | nsadmin | I guess more day traders === more market entropy |
| 21:18.18 | Postmodernist | Goldman Sachs is of course got their own fiber |
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| 21:19.20 | nsadmin | what if you were to redo it, and this time install only the base, and boot into that install |
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| 21:20.10 | nsadmin | you're using what, a netinstall cd? |
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| 21:21.55 | Postmodernist | nsadmin: Yeah, netinstall |
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| 21:22.33 | nsadmin | a netinstall cd has: the installer, and the base, on the cd |
| 21:22.50 | Postmodernist | nsadmin: Yeah, this is just the first CD of Debian |
| 21:22.54 | onryo | In Debian should source code be user /opt or /usr/share ? |
| 21:23.03 | nsadmin | oh, it's actually cd 1? |
| 21:23.07 | Postmodernist | yeah |
| 21:23.27 | nsadmin | so that should have what the netinstall has plus some more |
| 21:23.34 | Postmodernist | This is the third reinstall where it's stalled |
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| 21:24.54 | Furai` | sudo beer |
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| 21:25.04 | nsadmin | I believe the installer posts its log to vc 4 which you can get to with alt-f4 (which has nothing to do with the coincidence that in windows alt-f4 is "quit") |
| 21:25.12 | Postmodernist | If I could restart the download for just that one file, I wouldn't be screwed. :( |
| 21:25.41 | nsadmin | could it be your disk is full? |
| 21:25.51 | Postmodernist | nsadmin: No way |
| 21:25.56 | nsadmin | ok |
| 21:26.00 | onryo | I see the Ubuntu guys often use /usr/share . I am from a time and *unix system that was /opt for my source code. So what does Debian use? |
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| 21:26.26 | nsadmin | you can put your source code anywhere you want |
| 21:26.32 | nsadmin | like... your home dir |
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| 21:26.57 | babilen | onryo: /usr/local/src |
| 21:26.59 | Postmodernist | nsadmin: My Internet connection likes to go really fast, then occasionally the connection gets throttled into oblivion. This time, it happened on the 110th file of 114 :( |
| 21:28.28 | onryo | babilen Thank you. I am writing a program that will pull/clone about 30 gits. That is why I am asking. |
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| 21:30.04 | Postmodernist | 3h 50 minutes now :( |
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| 21:30.11 | babilen | !tell onryo -about fhs |
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| 21:31.48 | onryo | babilen thank you once again. Got it wiki.debian.org/FilesystemHierarchyStandard |
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| 21:36.41 | lapfrog | hi guys. trying to make the clock work properly with windows and linux. I think windows just stores the local time in hw, and i'm not sure what's going on in debian, but i'd like it to show correct time. it shows +2 hours from the correct time right now |
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| 21:37.31 | Bushmills | lapfrog: windows usually wants local time in cmos clock, linux wants utc in it |
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| 21:37.50 | Postmodernist | Okay, I just bought two more computers to try installing Debian on. I will use whatever one is lucky enough to make it through the install |
| 21:38.02 | MrFrood | lapfrog: ntp..? |
| 21:38.09 | Bushmills | putting local time in cmos clock in linux, and setting time zone to utc may work |
| 21:38.10 | nsadmin | bought? you have them now? |
| 21:38.11 | lapfrog | can i tell windows hw clock is in utc? |
| 21:38.28 | Bushmills | that is, to gmt |
| 21:38.32 | lapfrog | MrFrood: overkill? |
| 21:38.39 | Postmodernist | There's about a 1/10 chance of any Debian install working. With three computers all trying, I can save time. |
| 21:38.43 | lapfrog | Bushmills: well whichever it is :P |
| 21:39.01 | nsadmin | lapfrog, being about to say that's a windows question, I'm also wondering. |
| 21:39.12 | Arrowmaster | lapfrog: you probably want to edit /etc/default/rcS and change the UTC=yes to UTC=no |
| 21:39.14 | Bushmills | just don't set time zone to your local time, as the cmos clock already accounted for the offset |
| 21:39.48 | lapfrog | yeah but it would have been cool to have cmos time in UTC and just set the timezone when i roam, in both OS's (it's a lappy) |
| 21:40.22 | Bushmills | though i'd probably set cmos clock to utc, set time zone correctly, and say "F*** windows" |
| 21:40.23 | Arrowmaster | there is a registry setting in windows to make it use UTC for hardware clock but afaik its fucking buggy as hell |
| 21:40.40 | lapfrog | heh |
| 21:40.44 | lapfrog | yeah probably |
| 21:40.53 | lapfrog | UTC Features |
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| 21:41.04 | Postmodernist | Fuck, I'm going back and getting a couple more computers from the West 14th st store. If I have five all going on different network mirrors, that will increase my odds? |
| 21:41.08 | MrFrood | lapfrog: ntp (windows also has a builtin ntp client iirc) should keep the time correct |
| 21:41.14 | lapfrog | i edited /etc/default/rcS. do i have to reboot, log-out or something? |
| 21:41.20 | Arrowmaster | reboot |
| 21:41.27 | lapfrog | MrFrood: i don't always have internet |
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| 21:41.51 | MrFrood | lapfrog: ok |
| 21:41.55 | lapfrog | :P |
| 21:41.56 | lapfrog | ok thanks |
| 21:41.59 | lapfrog | rebooting -> |
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| 21:47.55 | sombunall | everytime I do a "killall openbox" it just comes back to life, adds another process and takes 100% of all my cores. Killing X doesn't help. How do I kill it completely without rebooting? |
| 21:48.06 | sombunall | I am running just plain openbox no DE |
| 21:50.08 | Postmodernist | sombunall: Nuke it from orbit. |
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| 21:50.29 | Postmodernist | sombunall: Did you try changing the init level? |
| 21:50.47 | Postmodernist | Or using a script in /etc/init that's responsible for shutting down X Window? |
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| 21:52.31 | Postmodernist | Made it through the install on one of the five computers I bought to try with! |
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| 22:20.51 | drags | so.. perlapi-5.10.1, missing in sid but it's absence is blocking re-installing linux-image or linux-base or snmp.. just a couple semi important packages.. this a known thing? |
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| 22:21.12 | themill | drags: yes. Welcome to sid. |
| 22:21.36 | drags | unable to install linux-image is certainly bleeding edge |
| 22:22.08 | Bushmills | with sid, anything is possible |
| 22:22.13 | drags | :) |
| 22:22.32 | drags | what's the place to best follow updates for this kind of issue.. mailing lists? bugs? here? |
| 22:22.32 | Bushmills | can be a challenge sometimes |
| 22:22.50 | Bushmills | here's not the proper place |
| 22:23.05 | Bushmills | not a lot of sid related news going through #debian channel |
| 22:23.39 | themill | drags: these things are coordinated through the debian-release mailing list and are normally mentioned on either debian-devel or debian-devel-announce |
| 22:23.50 | drags | themill: thanks |
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| 22:24.44 | magic_mage | why would software raid be nicer than hardware? |
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| 22:25.24 | Bushmills | magic_mage: the hardware raid controller can't break, with you not having a second identical one |
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| 22:27.28 | lapsusbrutus | magic_mage: I use a lot of software raid, and its great great great :) even on mu desktop easy to manage, very safe and very fast |
| 22:27.44 | magic_mage | I prefer idea of softwar raid myself |
| 22:27.59 | magic_mage | under software raid does the hardware raid controller not get used? |
| 22:28.03 | lapsusbrutus | hw is good to, difference in speed is not as big as it used too when cpu power was less plentiful |
| 22:28.09 | magic_mage | so i avoid that failure point? |
| 22:28.12 | lapsusbrutus | no |
| 22:28.23 | lapsusbrutus | ehh its not used |
| 22:28.26 | magic_mage | ah |
| 22:28.28 | magic_mage | ok |
| 22:28.40 | magic_mage | so in a wa it might be safer software raid over hardware |
| 22:28.53 | magic_mage | I wonder if I should suggest as much |
| 22:28.55 | lapsusbrutus | just put in a few sata disks and ready to rock :) |
| 22:29.01 | magic_mage | :) |
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| 22:29.25 | magic_mage | I am curious how much better oracle will run on oracle linux with software raid 5 instead of hardware raid 5 |
| 22:29.38 | magic_mage | or should I shut up in case it gets jacked and i get fired |
| 22:29.39 | magic_mage | lol |
| 22:29.51 | lapsusbrutus | ide works fine too, but never use two disks on same cable on a raid.. thats sloow... I have first hand experience on that :p |
| 22:29.53 | magic_mage | oracle doesnt run on debian does it? |
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| 22:31.51 | lapsusbrutus | but if you have a working hw raid Id use that I think, even if not as easy to manage and if controller dies data is less safe than on sw raid (i think) |
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| 22:32.32 | ssfdre37 | [*| NOTICE |*] STARTING JUNE 1ST FREENODE WILL CHANGE THE WAY YOU CONNECT TO IT. UNLESS YOU ENABLE SASL, YOU WILL BE UNABLE TO CONNECT TO FREENODE. PLEASE JOIN #FREENODE AND/OR MSG A STAFFER FOR DETAILS. THANKYOU [*| NOTICE |*] _linuxftw githogori themill g0nz0|Boston bman WormFood lollo64it rtghuzhg frooh maligor Toast JohnGalt2600 shingouz slacker_nl Ticho kaawee crus` AndrewKeenan___ resmo_ phantomcircuit happyhessian rafuch0 SLot manu_hac |
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| 22:32.54 | slvmchn | what's SASL? |
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| 22:33.02 | magic_mage | sasl? |
| 22:33.03 | e-anima | is this a joke? |
| 22:33.03 | themill | slvmchn: ignore the spam |
| 22:33.05 | magic_mage | whos that |
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| 22:33.09 | e-anima | i think so |
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| 22:33.24 | e-anima | rofl |
| 22:33.26 | tdyuty8g | [*| NOTICE |*] STARTING JUNE 1ST FREENODE WILL CHANGE THE WAY YOU CONNECT TO IT. UNLESS YOU ENABLE SASL, YOU WILL BE UNABLE TO CONNECT TO FREENODE. PLEASE JOIN #FREENODE AND/OR MSG A STAFFER FOR DETAILS. THANKYOU [*| NOTICE |*] tdyuty8g dajhorn _thalamus lost_soul mtn iloveyou else- Sw33NY fredden Duck2 magic_mage katsrc chipotle Japeeh Helios onoez_omg dekar rhalff SgrA Bry8Star Sw33NY_ alecs1 Myztik zenner Kylix naiv Cibort SPF dylanoc sjs2 |
| 22:33.37 | e-anima | irc always has been plaintext ^^ |
| 22:33.39 | magic_mage | so why not use software riad? |
| 22:33.45 | magic_mage | perhaps a good suggestion? |
| 22:33.53 | magic_mage | my questin si this |
| 22:34.11 | magic_mage | how do I get the hardware raid fo the server to be "off" such that i can enable software raid? |
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| 22:39.01 | lapsusbrutus | depends on your hw I guess.. it should have its own hw raid bios i think... but you could just plug satadisks to MB? But no idea what HW/setup youve got. GL!:) gotta go to bed now ; bb all |
| 22:39.10 | Bushmills | hardware raid controller usually offer a "transparent" mode, where drives are just what they are |
| 22:39.24 | Sashi | OT: is using a router & switch better or just a router? |
| 22:40.37 | mtx_init | what package in debian makes the man pages more pleasant. On a basic net install they quite different, any ideas? |
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| 22:41.02 | lapsusbrutus | mtx_init: less maybe? |
| 22:41.21 | mtx_init | lapsusbrutus: maybe, didn't think of that |
| 22:41.40 | Bushmills | mtx_init: dwww or dhelp |
| 22:42.06 | lapsusbrutus | Bushmills: :) cool |
| 22:42.18 | mtx_init | lapsusbrutus: yeah that was it, thanks a bunch |
| 22:42.37 | mtx_init | Bushmills: do those make it even better? |
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| 22:43.20 | mtx_init | Oh I see this is nice, thanks |
| 22:43.25 | Bushmills | mtx_init: http://docs.scarydevilmonastery.net/dwww/man/s1.html |
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| 22:44.52 | mtx_init | so I don't neccessarily need the package installed to view the man page, I assume it fetches it from the web |
| 22:48.33 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.32 | lapsusbrutus | mtx_init: You should try less.vim if you have the time.. Its less with syntax highlighting wonderful ;) |
| 22:49.44 | lapsusbrutus | http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/07/14/use-vim-as-a-syntax-highlighting-pager/ |
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| 22:51.09 | magic_mage | view |
| 22:51.11 | mtx_init | ok great will do. |
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| 22:51.40 | nsadmin | that would seem wasteful of resources if all of vim comes into ram just to display something |
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| 22:52.13 | mtx_init | I thought less was based on vi anyway |
| 22:52.33 | mtx_init | not certain on that though |
| 22:53.41 | magic_mage | burp |
| 22:53.43 | magic_mage | try ed |
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| 22:54.02 | nsadmin | as what? |
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| 22:56.59 | lapsusbrutus | nsadmin: yeah its a waste, but you can call it vless e.g and use less normally and vless if lessing code :) |
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| 23:03.27 | linuxman410 | does anyone know of a linux program that will clone my harddrive so i do not have to reload when i change the harddrive |
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| 23:07.48 | drags | linuxman410: check out clonezilla |
| 23:08.06 | drags | use with care and caution (as you would with any drive-level tools) |
| 23:08.08 | linuxman410 | thanks |
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| 23:12.33 | jjjjjjonas | stew: did you see my switch traffic ?:D |
| 23:13.16 | mtx_init | linuxman410: dd |
| 23:14.25 | matt86861 | I made a DVD with useful utilities for repairing all sorts of Windows problems + 3DMark programs for graphics stress-testing etc and I would like to add there Linux utilities as well, but everything I can remember can be run from a LiveCD. I mean do you keep some sort of Linux diagnostic/stress-testing/hardware-detecting utilities on a special repair-CD/DVD? |
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| 23:16.45 | rypervenche | How can I remove an old language from my gdm3 login screen? |
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| 23:30.08 | rypervenche | I'm trying to remove an old language choice from my gdm3, it wasn't even a real language, but an error. Any ideas? I've been looking through every config file I can find with no success. |
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| 23:37.18 | magic_mage | dont use gdm3 |
| 23:37.22 | magic_mage | bam! |
| 23:37.28 | magic_mage | ka bam bo! |
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| 23:41.13 | jeremyS | magic_mage:why? |
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| 23:48.35 | Resilience | hI'm using debian testing, and since apt-updating I have lost dns resolution, what can I do? where do I start looking at? network service by ip address works ok |
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| 23:49.18 | casts | whats in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 23:49.45 | Resilience | cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:49.45 | Resilience | # Generated by NetworkManager |
| 23:49.53 | casts | heh |
| 23:50.07 | Resilience | he |
| 23:50.14 | casts | put a nameserver x.x.x.x line in there |
| 23:50.17 | Resilience | there should be nameserves, rgiht? |
| 23:50.21 | Resilience | yeah |
| 23:50.21 | Resilience | ok |
| 23:50.24 | Resilience | i go |
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| 23:52.10 | Bushmills | networkmismanager |
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| 23:52.37 | Connor_ | Putting exec /usr/bin/ratpoison into my .xinitrc isn't making ratpoison load, any ideas? |
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| 23:53.38 | abrotman | how are you logging into X? |
| 23:54.02 | abrotman | you probably meant to use .xsession |
| 23:54.07 | Connor_ | abrotman maybe |
| 23:54.22 | casts | is the exec needed? |
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| 23:54.26 | Connor_ | Yes |
| 23:54.32 | Connor_ | It's what I've always used |
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| 23:55.32 | casts | curious, i never use it in .xinitrc |
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| 23:55.45 | Holborn | /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager |
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| 23:56.49 | Connor_ | .xsession worked, thanks |
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| 23:58.17 | Resilience | casts, I have put namerservers in /etc/resolv.conf, and rebooted, but when rebooting "network manager" erases my file :( |
| 23:59.40 | babilen | Resilience: Sure, configure the nameservers in network-manager |
