| 00:00.45 | Resilience | babilen, I don't know even where to search for network manager, how is that it an override manual confifuration? how sick has gnome got? |
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| 00:01.57 | BlackFate | Resilience, check if nm-applet is running |
| 00:02.28 | Resilience | yes, it is running |
| 00:03.06 | Resilience | I have yet add the two namerservers, but... hot is that network manager erases them? |
| 00:03.22 | babilen | Resilience: You are mistaken, but I am in no mood to get into this. Just right click on the network-manager applet and edit its configuration. You can set nameservers in there. I am not using it so I can't walk you through it, but you'll figure it out. |
| 00:04.28 | babilen | Resilience: You might want to read "man resolv.conf" to understand what is happening. |
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| 00:04.33 | Bushmills | Resilience: network manager is not required. if you install it, bear the consequences of it overwriting your manual config. |
| 00:04.39 | Resilience | babilen, not mistaken, I have edit the /etc/resolv.conf by hand, reboot the computer, and the file was blanked by network manager, let's see if it happens again |
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| 00:05.36 | babilen | Resilience: resolv.conf is overwritten by DHCP clients (unless configured not to) and n-m or wicd ... |
| 00:05.38 | Resilience | Bushmills, it is not about been required or not, it is about that gnome is a part of the environment, and when yo make notrhing with it it should do nothing |
| 00:05.54 | Bushmills | network manager is not related to gnome |
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| 00:06.33 | themill | Resilience: it will keep happening -- you are running a daemon whose job it is to overwrite those settings. If you want it to write the correct settings either configure n-m or dhclient or your dhcp server correctly. If you don't want it to rewrite the file at all, don't run it. |
| 00:06.49 | Joelito | hi all, I have a little problem with my openbox, when right click on the desktop, it shows the menu but it doesn't show the submenu with the installed apps |
| 00:07.29 | Resilience | Bushmills, network-manager-app... mmm it should be something of wine, yes.. |
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| 00:08.01 | Resilience | themill, I had it configured right, till yesterdar day with the last update that broke it |
| 00:08.08 | Bushmills | network-manager-app may be related to gnome. and depends on network-manager. neither of those two are required. |
| 00:08.27 | Bushmills | if you choose to install the one, you get the other |
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| 00:10.50 | Resilience | Bushmills, netowrk-manager came by default with the task of networking... so... |
| 00:11.18 | path | lets say I want this: any petition to 10.0.0.180:80 should be available con 172.16.0.1:8080 |
| 00:11.38 | path | is it right if I do iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 10.0.0.180 --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination 172.16.0.1:8080 ? |
| 00:11.40 | Bushmills | so purge it again. or configure it. either way, complaining about it doing things you don't like won't change it's behaviour. |
| 00:12.51 | babilen | Resilience: It might have been installed by you when you installed the gnome metapackage. Configure your system the way you won't it. NetworkManager is not required and you can remove it if you don't want it. |
| 00:13.38 | Resilience | BUSHCOMAPLINING AOBUT THINGS DONE IN THE WORNG WAY IS THE ONLY WAY CLEAN THEM |
| 00:13.57 | Resilience | Bushmills, sorry for cpas (new keayboard) I'm _reaaly reaaly_ sorry |
| 00:13.57 | Bushmills | i use aptitude purge to clean them |
| 00:14.12 | Bushmills | complaining is not very effective to clean things |
| 00:14.32 | nsadmin | taking action is what's effective |
| 00:14.36 | babilen | likes the idea of "aptitude complain network-manager" :) |
| 00:14.40 | nsadmin | what action will you take? |
| 00:14.50 | themill | Resilience: complaining on irc will only get you a +q. Bug reports with patches attached sent to the authors is far more effective |
| 00:14.56 | Resilience | complaiing and marking waht's done worng by people (like making a sofware behave in the worng way) is the only way to change people wrondoings of people |
| 00:15.42 | nsadmin | no it's not |
| 00:15.55 | Resilience | yes, it is |
| 00:16.02 | nsadmin | write your own software and show it, is another way |
| 00:16.07 | Resilience | at lest legally, of ocurse |
| 00:17.08 | Bushmills | ok assuming your complaints do what they are supposed to do - when will your network manager behaviour have changed, because of your complaints? |
| 00:17.10 | Resilience | i can write and specification of how and why software should behave, far more important that merely "code something" |
| 00:17.45 | Resilience | i think it will never do, because i don't find the conf file in /etc |
| 00:17.55 | themill | dpkg: tell Resilience about ranting |
| 00:18.01 | nsadmin | Resilience, many people have done that, apple among them |
| 00:18.05 | themill | Resilience: irc is the wrong place for this. |
| 00:18.25 | Cain | Hi, OffTopic question(sorry...) i want to generate stats for a site with awstats but it seems that it analyses only the last apache2 log (domain.com.access.log) how to make awstats analyze the olders logfiles too ? (domain.com.access.log.1 domain.com.access.log.2.gz domain.com.access.log.3.gz ...) |
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| 00:18.54 | nsadmin | and this channel in particular; traffic here is to support people in using existing software |
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| 00:19.02 | Bushmills | Resilience: does it work already they way you wanted? |
| 00:19.31 | Bushmills | for comparison, aptitude purge would have taken care of it long ago |
| 00:20.15 | Resilience | i suppose is the way to go |
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| 00:20.32 | Bushmills | you seem to be able of learning |
| 00:20.43 | Resilience | ha xD |
| 00:21.05 | Bushmills | or you could rant a bit more, and check from time to time whether it was effective |
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| 00:21.22 | Resilience | Bushmills, do oyu know what a rethoric question is? |
| 00:21.37 | streuner | hehe |
| 00:21.46 | Bushmills | you're going to tell me, if i say no? |
| 00:21.46 | streuner | Cain: why not just purge them all? :-) |
| 00:22.07 | streuner | Bushmills: lol |
| 00:22.24 | Cain | streuner : i'll be glad if you show me how ^^ |
| 00:23.02 | Resilience | it depends on |
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| 00:24.20 | streuner | Cain: well, without reading the whole doc about awstats which is very interesting (big), i meant you just gunzip the other files and make one big access log... |
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| 00:27.02 | Cain | streuner : i get it, i'm searching how to 'merge' the '21' log files ^^ (if you have a lead how to do that quickly) |
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| 00:28.33 | babilen | Cain: zcat access*.log > the_huge_file_that_is_really_big_but_contains_everything_even_42.log |
| 00:28.48 | babilen | Cain: Ah, not quite, but you get the idea :) |
| 00:29.07 | Cain | babilen : yep, Arigato ^^ |
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| 00:30.03 | babilen | I am sure that you can convince awstats to look at logrotated files as well somehow |
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| 00:31.16 | streuner | its default, but he want prolly a stat of everything |
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| 00:31.28 | nsadmin | or zcat (...) | awstats (appropriate args) |
| 00:31.55 | Cain | babilen : sure but for now i just need to show the statistics in a meeting tomorrow, i'll configure it more properly after that |
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| 00:37.06 | dserban | Need to pin my distribution to squeeze, no upgrades to sid, but need sid in my sources for some packages. I haven't pinned anything in ages, link to some noob help? |
| 00:37.07 | Bushmills | Cain: rotate them, then create awstats from the *.log.1 files |
| 00:38.03 | Bushmills | you'd set log rotation for web logs to daily. |
| 00:38.38 | babilen | dserban: What are you really trying to achieve? Which packages do you need? Why don't you backport them? |
| 00:38.42 | streuner | Cain: http://awstats.sourceforge.net/docs/awstats_faq.html#MULTILOG ? |
| 00:39.03 | dserban | the debianized sources of the current linux kernel |
| 00:39.09 | dserban | babilen: ^^ |
| 00:40.01 | babilen | ,kernels |
| 00:40.02 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.39-rc5-686-pae (2.6.39~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-4); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 00:40.04 | Cain | streuner : Thx! |
| 00:40.19 | babilen | dserban: The version in squeeze-backports? (finally!!) |
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| 00:41.14 | dserban | babilen: yep that's the one, ... that wasn't available last week was it? |
| 00:41.24 | babilen | dserban: progress! :) |
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| 00:41.52 | dserban | babilen: yeah, even DNF is here... what's the world come to? |
| 00:41.54 | babilen | dserban: Do you know how to install packages from squeeze-backports? |
| 00:42.02 | babilen | hehe |
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| 00:43.06 | dserban | babilen: yeah I do, just didn't know that backports was on the ball as such. |
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| 00:44.01 | babilen | If you need the source package, just add a "deb-src" line for backports. But that might also not be news for you. May we assist you with anything else? |
| 00:44.08 | themill | babilen: the headers aren't currently installable from squeeze-backports btw |
| 00:44.15 | babilen | themill: pssst! |
| 00:44.38 | babilen | themill: (you are ruining the perfect support session) |
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| 00:46.58 | dserban | babilen: heh :P |
| 00:47.12 | dserban | naw I'm good, just got led astray fudging sid sources... |
| 00:47.17 | dserban | I'm happy and good with backports. |
| 00:48.08 | babilen | wonderful, have a nice day! (and try not to need the header package) |
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| 00:49.51 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 00:52.51 | edogaa | question, if i decide to use debian stable for stability is there a way to get newer less 'well tested' packages. :/ |
| 00:53.15 | streuner | edogaa: backports (/msg dpkg backports) |
| 00:53.22 | edogaa | backports? |
| 00:53.38 | streuner | dpkg, +tell edogaa -about backports |
| 00:53.38 | dpkg | told edogaa about backports. |
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| 00:58.46 | Bushmills | edogaa: there's also the option to debootstrap a wheezy or sid in your squeeze |
| 00:59.10 | edogaa | debootstrap? :| |
| 00:59.27 | Bushmills | unless it is new kernel you're after |
| 00:59.34 | edogaa | no. |
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| 00:59.52 | Bushmills | !debootstrap |
| 00:59.52 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 01:00.22 | edogaa | :| all, so basically running another system within another system |
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| 01:00.34 | Bushmills | sort of, yes |
| 01:00.57 | edogaa | I recall trying to make a 32 bit chroot system on my 64 bit arch install once |
| 01:01.01 | edogaa | it was a pain in the rear |
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| 01:01.54 | Bushmills | for cross-architecture, a kvm instance may be easier |
| 01:02.07 | edogaa | hmmm? |
| 01:02.13 | Bushmills | !kvm |
| 01:02.13 | dpkg | The Kernel-based Virtual Machine (KVM) is a full <virtualization> solution for Linux hosts on x86 hardware with x86 guests. Packaged for Debian as qemu-kvm since Squeeze, kvm in Lenny. See http://wiki.debian.org/KVM for installation instructions, also ask me about <xve>. http://www.linux-kvm.org/ #kvm on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 01:02.18 | edogaa | i know what kvm is |
| 01:02.20 | edogaa | lol |
| 01:02.22 | edogaa | i meant to ask |
| 01:02.25 | edogaa | "Why?" XD |
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| 01:03.08 | Bushmills | because both kernel and userland of the guest are isolated from the host |
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| 01:06.39 | edogaa | well, backk when i was doing that on arch it was for wine...and to get 3D applications to work like games, and from what I read most virtual machines aren't that great for that sort of thing |
| 01:06.58 | edogaa | though, arch's method was insanely difficult to figurre out |
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| 01:07.51 | edogaa | :/ not fud just not matter how well i followed the wiki on hot to install the chroot it didn't work/ though hat shouldn't be necessary anymore since now they officially support multilibs |
| 01:08.29 | edogaa | my reason for asking right now are for applications like krita 2.3 |
| 01:09.25 | nsadmin | it depends on whether the virtualization is software-based or built into the cpu and how much ram you have |
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| 01:09.50 | nsadmin | , versions krita |
| 01:09.51 | judd | Package krita on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.6.3-7; squeeze: 1:2.2.1-4; sid: 1:2.3.3-1; wheezy: 1:2.3.3-1 |
| 01:09.57 | Bobbyyyyy | nobody went on about her dad |
| 01:10.13 | edogaa | also, I want to learn how to program using gtk3, and i am sure I would need to install that somehow which isn't available on stable (and seems to be on sid) but I'm not sure if i actually /NEED/ to install it through the ports though i am sure I could manually. :/ But noobish as hell. lol |
| 01:10.20 | Bobbyyyyy | had that as he took it from fark |
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| 01:10.56 | edogaa | yeah, version 2.2. lol |
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| 01:12.50 | Big_Brother | does squeeze have gnome 3? |
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| 01:13.06 | kgoetz | nope |
| 01:13.54 | edogaa | Yeah, sid does though if I recall. :/ |
| 01:14.02 | abrotman | Big_Brother: ha, no |
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| 01:14.11 | abrotman | Big_Brother: it's not even totally in experimental yet |
| 01:14.23 | jonesst1 | anybody here pls? |
| 01:14.28 | edogaa | I recall seeing it in sid? |
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| 01:14.46 | edogaa | last i checked anyways. Could be something else though. |
| 01:14.52 | jonesst1 | anybody know how to configure access under sendmail in debian? |
| 01:15.05 | edogaa | assuming thats what you meant by experimental |
| 01:15.21 | abrotman | !gnome3 |
| 01:15.21 | dpkg | http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html |
| 01:15.28 | abrotman | jonesst1: access to what? |
| 01:15.37 | abrotman | edogaa: sid and experimental are very different |
| 01:16.06 | jonesst1 | im trying to run sendmailconfig and im getting an error cannot stat /etc/mail/access.new.db |
| 01:16.22 | edogaa | experimental would i assume be wheezy? |
| 01:16.30 | jonesst1 | which is strange becasue it should be access so it makes an access.db |
| 01:17.21 | jonesst1 | i cant make an access.db |
| 01:17.43 | jonesst1 | so ive missed configuring something or ive hit a bug |
| 01:18.46 | dvs | edogaa: wheezy is testing |
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| 01:19.53 | edogaa | Okay then, if squeeze is stable, wheezy is testing and unstable is sid experimental be what then? o_o |
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| 01:19.57 | abrotman | jonesst1: i'll be pretty honest .. unless you have a good reason, most avoid sendmail .. try postfix or exim if you want an SMTP server that is easy to configure |
| 01:20.04 | abrotman | edogaa: currently, yes |
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| 01:20.28 | dvs | edogaa: experimental is not a distribution |
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| 01:20.52 | jonesst1 | abrotman ive used sendmail for years its what I know...ive never seen this one |
| 01:21.13 | jonesst1 | it looks like a bug in the debain packge looking in the wrong place |
| 01:21.35 | abrotman | or it runs in a chroot? |
| 01:21.46 | abrotman | i haven't used sendmail since Solaris7 ... |
| 01:22.03 | abrotman | is old :( |
| 01:22.15 | jonesst1 | ive been using sendmail in debian and redhat for a decade |
| 01:22.15 | abrotman | jonesst1: what if you create that file blank ? |
| 01:22.29 | jonesst1 | well i had solaris 2.6 so im old as well then |
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| 01:22.30 | jonesst1 | :P |
| 01:23.24 | crapeau | abrotman: old or experienced |
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| 01:23.37 | dvs | worked with sol 2.6 and doesnt feel old |
| 01:23.54 | abrotman | jonesst1: i didn't say that was the first solaris i used .. just the last time i used sendmail :) |
| 01:24.10 | jonesst1 | hmm i did touch access.new.db and sendmail started |
| 01:24.12 | jonesst1 | odd |
| 01:24.18 | jonesst1 | hehehe |
| 01:24.45 | jonesst1 | last solaris i used was 8 |
| 01:25.04 | jonesst1 | though we have a god awful sun solar box |
| 01:25.12 | nsadmin | do you have a site site the size of which would make sendmail an appropriate choice? |
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| 01:25.25 | abrotman | site site the size? |
| 01:25.35 | jonesst1 | nsadmin, not really just im familiar with it |
| 01:25.54 | abrotman | jonesst1: that might be in /usr/share/doc/sendmail/ ... honestly, i've never used the debian sendmail .. lucky me! |
| 01:25.57 | jonesst1 | i just need a mta to test something else |
| 01:26.12 | crapeau | jonesst1: what was the hardware under solaris 2.6? |
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| 01:26.21 | nsadmin | hmm, do you write your own .cfs? |
| 01:26.40 | jonesst1 | no i use sendmailconfig and edit sendmail.mc |
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| 01:27.11 | jonesst1 | or i should say edit sendmail.mc run sendmailconfig and that writes sendmail.cf |
| 01:27.18 | abrotman | crapeau: they were pretty good at keeping old stuff running |
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| 01:27.53 | jonesst1 | i dont use soalris now, i had ultra1s and 2s and some older stuff i forget what it was.... |
| 01:28.13 | dvs | wonders who let the toad in. ;-) |
| 01:28.17 | jonesst1 | had some v series |
| 01:28.45 | jonesst1 | we abandoned those for dell's and redhat, way cheaper |
| 01:29.08 | crapeau | abrotman: flash,browser and games, make hw obsolete these days.... |
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| 01:29.38 | jonesst1 | crapaue u still need ahrdware somewhere |
| 01:29.45 | abrotman | crapeau: well, they had browsers and games :) |
| 01:30.13 | jonesst1 | the best game of all was bait the dba |
| 01:30.18 | jonesst1 | hours of amusement |
| 01:30.22 | jonesst1 | ;] |
| 01:30.33 | crapeau | abrotman: don't forget more is better... ;-) |
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| 01:32.39 | crapeau | I asked because i'm slowly trying to find old hw from the ultra era. |
| 01:32.40 | MeglaW | so i got this laptop here... no cd, no floppy, wont boot from pxe or usb.... but it does have grub and /boot i think, i just dont remember the passwords to the disks... can i do a netinstall with this somehow or is removing the disk and doing a hdd prepere install the only way? |
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| 01:33.07 | jonesst1 | ultra 2s are pretty good i still have mine |
| 01:33.46 | jonesst1 | meglaw ive removed disks and insytalled in another box and put back before now |
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| 01:35.49 | MeglaW | mm yeah but that will leave me with "stuff" like libs atleast i dont "need" ;) |
| 01:35.53 | MeglaW | or? |
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| 01:36.55 | Connor_ | Why does awesome look just like dwm |
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| 01:37.54 | crapeau | jonesst1: i have a sparcstation 5 @ 170mhz wich is original but i'm looking for older hw.... |
| 01:38.37 | jonesst1 | ah that was it...sparcstaion 5s and 20s |
| 01:38.42 | MeglaW | hehe what kind of wattage does those things draw |
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| 01:39.20 | jonesst1 | i had to look after a lot of those over telnet and a wan |
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| 01:39.21 | jonesst1 | sucked |
| 01:39.37 | crapeau | Connor: it is a fork from dwm |
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| 01:40.08 | abrotman | it is? |
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| 01:40.42 | crapeau | Connor:----> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awesome_(window_manager) |
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| 01:42.59 | jetscreamer | --- #debian :http://www.debian.org |
| 01:43.03 | jetscreamer | you should fix that |
| 01:43.56 | nsadmin | that's probably netwide, not specific to a channel |
| 01:44.02 | MrFrood | Connor_: abrotman : awesome did start out as a wm fork but has moved a long long way since then |
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| 01:44.15 | MrFrood | *dwm fork |
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| 01:49.12 | jetscreamer | what's the 'install to usb stick' factoid |
| 01:49.26 | crapeau | Connor: thanks, i use dwm, but i will try awesome since im curious.... |
| 01:49.28 | peterrooney | dpkg: listkeys usbstick |
| 01:49.29 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'usbstick' by key returned no results. |
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| 01:49.36 | peterrooney | dpkg: listkeys usb |
| 01:49.37 | gnarface | hello people |
| 01:49.38 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'usb' by key (15 of 113): #debian usb install ;; _default speedtouch usb ;; _default usb ;; _default usb storage ;; dx-busb ;; isl3887usb ;; isl3887usb_bare ;; isl3890usb ;; prism2_usb ;; r8192u_usb ;; rt2501usb ;; usb mice ;; usb mount ;; usb-storage ;; wusb100. |
| 01:50.02 | abrotman | jetscreamer: usb install ? |
| 01:50.10 | gnarface | does anyone happen to know why php5-memcache doesn't require the memcache package in squeeze? it seems like it should need the accompanying daemon |
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| 01:50.18 | abrotman | jetscreamer: technically ... if your system boots from USB, not any different ? |
| 01:50.34 | jetscreamer | not install 'from' usb, but install to the stick |
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| 01:51.21 | jetscreamer | figure it's just another partition, but wanted to look first |
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| 01:52.50 | gnarface | jetscreamer: by default most (all?) usb keys are formatted directly, no partitions. if your system can boot from usb though setting an install up on a usb key should be basically the same as any harddrive... give it a boot sector and a bootable partition and you're good to go |
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| 01:55.00 | nsadmin | actually all usb keys I've ever had have been partitioned with a single partition covering the entire device |
| 01:56.13 | gnarface | really? i've only ever seen them come formatted fat32 right on the device, without a partition table whatsoever |
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| 01:56.32 | gnarface | so you'd mount them as /dev/whatever not /dev/whatever1, you know? |
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| 01:57.04 | gnarface | in fact i've only ever seen them come fat32 formatted... but that doesn't mean it needs to be that way |
| 01:57.25 | jetscreamer | yeh afaik they're all fat32 by default |
| 01:57.45 | crapeau | gnarface: no good if over 4gig and full of small files.... |
| 01:57.45 | jetscreamer | i've nuked em and put parts and formatted extsomething |
| 01:57.47 | nsadmin | I've always seen /dev/sda1 and fat32 |
| 01:58.46 | gnarface | crapeau: obviously, but i admit i don't have any over 2gb, so my info probably is not up-to-date |
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| 01:59.53 | jetscreamer | i take it that there's no 'install to usb stick' experts reading this atm then :) |
| 02:00.06 | dvs | perks up |
| 02:00.19 | jetscreamer | anything to watch out for? |
| 02:00.21 | horsecalf | does anybody know why installing minbif needs 350MB of packages for a small little app |
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| 02:00.30 | dvs | Actually, I've never installed Debian to a USB stick, just used it as an installer |
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| 02:00.41 | crapeau | jetscreamer: your bios compatibility... |
| 02:00.59 | jetscreamer | it boots em |
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| 02:01.22 | jetscreamer | i meant weird stuff :) |
| 02:01.32 | crapeau | jetscreamer: so it will work. |
| 02:01.40 | jetscreamer | okie thanks all |
| 02:01.49 | gnarface | jetscreamer: you're doing this via chroot? or from an install cd? |
| 02:02.07 | jetscreamer | install media |
| 02:02.13 | sombunall | horsecalf, I think 350M is a magic amount for KDE dependencies if you installed a clean system with no desktop environment. i remember seeing it |
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| 02:03.04 | gnarface | jetscreamer: i haven't ever tried it that way, sorry |
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| 02:04.07 | crapeau | jetscreamer: i used aptosid for a momment, and it worked very well for me |
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| 02:05.07 | crapeau | jetscreamer: it was installed on a usb stick |
| 02:05.24 | crapeau | jetscreamer: with a swap partition |
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| 02:07.54 | sombunall | horsecalf, no looks like I'm wrong. minbif has only 4 dependencies and none are KDE. I don't know why it takes 350M |
| 02:08.15 | horsecalf | sombunall: I think it;s libpurple |
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| 02:09.03 | moele | if i overclock my cpu |
| 02:09.09 | moele | what is the max temp i should allow it to run under max load |
| 02:09.22 | interpolate | whats the cpu? |
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| 02:09.42 | moele | i7 |
| 02:09.51 | dvs | what model? |
| 02:09.52 | gnarface | moele: the same max temp as you should let it run if you are not overclocking |
| 02:09.54 | interpolate | which model, and stepping? |
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| 02:10.16 | gnarface | not really a debian question |
| 02:10.19 | moele | heh |
| 02:10.21 | moele | i know its not :0 |
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| 02:10.32 | moele | its 975extreme edition |
| 02:10.52 | crapeau | moele: don't use temp as a fail safe, you need to make shure, it doesnt make error.... and the best tool is gcc and compilation. |
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| 02:11.16 | dvs | moele: 68 C |
| 02:11.31 | interpolate | moele, i wouln't go over 75-80c max |
| 02:11.34 | moele | dvs, intel warrants there cpus at 100C for 10 years |
| 02:11.37 | moele | which is the funny thing |
| 02:11.46 | sombunall | i heard 10 years ago overclocking in linux is more unstable than windows. wonder if it's still true or not |
| 02:11.46 | moele | like they can run at 100c for 10 years |
| 02:11.51 | moele | according to them |
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| 02:11.59 | moele | ah |
| 02:12.02 | moele | dvs, kk |
| 02:12.11 | moele | seems to have bottled at 58 celcius |
| 02:12.17 | moele | being completely slammed by mprime |
| 02:12.18 | interpolate | sombunall, i've got an i7 920 @ 4.2ghz and i've never had a problem in win or nix |
| 02:12.20 | crapeau | sombunall: it still is... ;-) |
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| 02:12.36 | moele | interpolate, what kinda cooling you got |
| 02:12.51 | interpolate | vigor monsoon |
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| 02:13.25 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 02:13.32 | nsadmin | sombunall, that's more of a kernel question; try #kernel-newbies on oftc |
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| 02:14.09 | sombunall | oh I think I believe crapeau :) |
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| 02:14.28 | moele | interpolate, what you pay for it? |
| 02:14.47 | Focalor | say guys fresh install of squeeze, awesome wm and wicd... I used lspci and seen my wireless card, did modprobe but wicd cannot find any wireless networks, what am I doing wrong? |
| 02:14.49 | mogglenorph | Hi, I'm looking for something like offlineimap, with the feature that locally created folders would be sync'd to the imap server. |
| 02:15.06 | mogglenorph | Is anything like that in the repository? |
| 02:15.15 | Focalor | modprob ath5k that is |
| 02:15.26 | interpolate | moele, i think it was $75 or so |
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| 02:15.40 | Azrael_- | got a small crontab-problem: i have a service which runs backup every 6 hours and once every day i also run a cronjob half an hour later to save one snapshot to another location. the processes aren't allowed to run at the same time and sometimes the second failes as the first one takes more time than expected. any idea how i could solve this problem? |
| 02:16.01 | gnarface | Azrael_-: reschedule the second one ? or just make it part of the first one :-p |
| 02:16.13 | Focalor | can anyone help me trouble shoot my wireless problem? |
| 02:16.15 | gnarface | mogglenorph: isn't that a standard feature of icedove? |
| 02:16.24 | gnarface | Focalor: !atheros |
| 02:16.27 | gnarface | er |
| 02:16.29 | gnarface | !atheros |
| 02:16.29 | dpkg | Atheros Communications is a developer of semiconductors. Ask me about <ath5k>, <ath9k> or <ar9170> for stable wireless LAN chipset drivers; <ar5523>, <ath9k_htc> or <carl9170> for wireless drivers under development. Ask me about <atl1>, <atl2>, <atl1e> or <atl1c> for Ethernet adapter drivers. For Bluetooth, see <ath3k>. http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/Atheros |
| 02:16.36 | crapeau | sombunall: there is no such thing as overclocking... They test a cpu and sell it at the safest frequencies minus a little so it is reliable... |
| 02:16.39 | simonlnu | mogglenorph: there's a couple notmuch, offlineimap, another one i think |
| 02:16.55 | mogglenorph | gnarface: Oh: I want a local maildir for whatever's on the imap server. |
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| 02:17.14 | Focalor | gnarface, yes did you read I did modprob ath5k? |
| 02:17.17 | jetscreamer | lnu is rvn? |
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| 02:17.19 | jetscreamer | or no |
| 02:17.33 | gnarface | Focalor: did you read it? i think you need firmware or something |
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| 02:17.35 | simonlnu | yes |
| 02:17.41 | jetscreamer | ah hey dude |
| 02:17.46 | simonlnu | hi :) |
| 02:17.48 | Focalor | do I nees hal installes? |
| 02:17.55 | Focalor | d |
| 02:18.19 | simonlnu | jetscreamer: cloak didn't change yet |
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| 02:18.58 | Azrael_- | gnarface: it is rsnapshot i run, just with different parameters. ootb it hasn't the option to be appended |
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| 02:20.36 | Focalor | gnaeface, I dont nees firmware |
| 02:20.37 | dvs | Focalor: paste your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:20.54 | gnarface | Focalor: you're sure you have the right driver? there are other atheros drivers. i can't imagine what the problem would be other than the wrong driver/no support or a bad network config. paste it for us like dvs says |
| 02:20.58 | jetscreamer | ah yes |
| 02:21.10 | Focalor | gnaedace, yes |
| 02:21.56 | gnarface | Focalor: pastebin it that is, don't just paste it :-p |
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| 02:22.46 | gnarface | Focalor: also, this may be a dumb question but... you do have some way to verify that there are wireless networks in rage currently, right? |
| 02:23.11 | Focalor | gnardace, yes my cell phone |
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| 02:24.31 | User739 | I want to download this package: http://packages.debian.org/sid/decompyle .... what do I need to add to my sources.list...I am using squeeze |
| 02:25.25 | simonlnu | User739: don't mix sid and stable. backport it instead. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 02:25.36 | Focalor | you guys i'm sorry to have troubled you, for it seems I lost track of time and I nees to go; I hope to pick this up soon |
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| 02:26.10 | Circuitsoft | Help: apt-file tells me to install mtd-utils, but aptitude says it doesn't exist, even though I just updated apt-file. |
| 02:26.19 | User739 | simonlnu; i heardly install new things, how can i backport |
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| 02:26.29 | jetscreamer | he just told you |
| 02:26.33 | Circuitsoft | How could apt-file find a package that's not available? |
| 02:26.33 | jetscreamer | how to find out |
| 02:26.47 | User739 | oh didnt see |
| 02:26.48 | User739 | sorry |
| 02:27.16 | dvs | jetscreamer: decompyle is not in backports. only lenny and sid. |
| 02:27.31 | jetscreamer | Circuitsoft: did you aptitude update recently? |
| 02:27.37 | Circuitsoft | yes. |
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| 02:27.55 | crapeau | User739: can you compile from sources ? |
| 02:28.19 | Circuitsoft | jetscreamer: Although, apparently yesterday wasn't recently enough. |
| 02:28.21 | User739 | crapeau: No, it gives me a gcc error |
| 02:28.22 | Circuitsoft | Thanks. |
| 02:28.33 | crapeau | what is it? |
| 02:29.31 | User739 | crapeau: http://pastebin.com/3J49gj6s |
| 02:30.03 | Circuitsoft | User739: Looks like you need python dev packages. |
| 02:30.21 | simonlnu | User739: aptitude build-dep decompyle |
| 02:31.29 | User739 | simon: Unable to find the source package for "decompyle". |
| 02:31.36 | User739 | circuit: trying now that i have python-dev |
| 02:32.07 | User739 | circuit: "decompyle/marshal_20.c:270: error: conflicting types for âPyMarshal_WriteLongToFileâ" |
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| 02:32.55 | crapeau | User739: you might need to compile python from sid also.... |
| 02:33.44 | User739 | meh. life was easier with lenny. first pushing me to get php 5.3 and now little tidbits |
| 02:35.50 | jetscreamer | you could always just run sid |
| 02:36.23 | crapeau | User739: That what it is to live on the bleeding edge... :-) |
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| 02:37.01 | jetscreamer | i thought bleeding edge was exp |
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| 02:37.32 | crapeau | jetscreamer: maybe for dev but not for users |
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| 02:38.22 | crapeau | jetscreamer: but ubuntu think otherwise.... |
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| 02:39.11 | jetscreamer | i'm not fond of the differences between sid and ubuntu |
| 02:39.17 | jetscreamer | least i wasn't |
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| 02:40.13 | crapeau | jetscreamer: ubuntu is mostly based on sid, from what i know... |
| 02:40.32 | jetscreamer | yes that's what i said/meant |
| 02:40.41 | abrotman | and they'll discuss that in #ubuntu |
| 02:40.46 | jetscreamer | the differences throw me off |
| 02:41.03 | crapeau | jetscreamer: so testing mean stable in ubuntu |
| 02:41.08 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 02:42.36 | crapeau | jetscreamer: from my point of view, ubuntu might be trying to emulate the stability of windows... lol ;-) |
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| 02:43.05 | jetscreamer | all i know is the channel nazi will be upset if you keep saying that U word |
| 02:43.09 | jetscreamer | hint hint :) |
| 02:43.35 | crapeau | is he using it... lol |
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| 02:43.53 | abrotman | really .. there's a #debian-offtopic where you can discuss this topic |
| 02:45.53 | crapeau | i forgot life is serious... |
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| 02:46.07 | jetscreamer | usually have 25 channels open on freenode alone, don't need another :) |
| 02:46.33 | dvs | o_O |
| 02:47.10 | jetscreamer | go /msg dpkg and then have to scroll alllll the way over to the last tab :) |
| 02:48.00 | jetscreamer | #debian being all the way in the front of course |
| 02:48.10 | jetscreamer | ok time for quality time wheee |
| 02:48.11 | jetscreamer | afk |
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| 02:53.55 | ChronicSyncope | you guys this is horrible |
| 02:54.07 | ChronicSyncope | i just installed crunchbang and the look of disapproval just looks like two empty boxes with an underscore! |
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| 02:54.21 | ChronicSyncope | does anyone know how to fix that? |
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| 02:56.24 | Polunochnick | ÐÑÐ¸Ð²ÐµÑ Ð²Ñем... |
| 02:57.18 | abrotman | ChronicSyncope: ask #crunchbang .. we don't support it here |
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| 02:57.27 | abrotman | !ru |
| 02:57.28 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian or use English here. |
| 02:58.32 | Polunochnick | tnx |
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| 03:04.06 | acx0 | is there a command to sync the time with an external server? I tried doing dkpg-reconfigure tzdata but that didn't work |
| 03:05.18 | Azrael_- | ntpdate |
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| 03:06.12 | stew | acx0: install the ntp package, it runs a service which continuously keeps your clock in sync |
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| 03:06.41 | acx0 | i'll try that |
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| 03:08.49 | acx0 | stew, ahh thanks, that seemed to fix it |
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| 03:35.02 | JasonWoof | So, I understand than sometimes when I do an apt-get update, I catch the mirror midway through an update, and I'm unable to download one of the files or I get some old and some new files, and a hashsomething doesn't match |
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| 03:35.46 | JasonWoof | but I don't see how this should lead to aptitude thinking that the repository is empty |
| 03:36.09 | JasonWoof | when it knew about many thousands of packages a minute ago |
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| 03:40.10 | un214 | I've had it happen to me |
| 03:40.25 | un214 | if it can't find a top level package the whole house of cards comes crashing down |
| 03:40.34 | JasonWoof | it happens to me about once every 5 days or so |
| 03:40.55 | un214 | if apt-get wants to remove hundreds of packages, bail |
| 03:41.08 | JasonWoof | I'm currently getting: W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/source/SourcesIndex MD5Sum mismatch |
| 03:41.17 | un214 | if apt-get errors on download, do apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, and retry your install |
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| 03:41.46 | JasonWoof | apt-get update fails consistently for usually tens of minutes |
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| 03:42.16 | JasonWoof | and until it succeeds, aptitude only shows packages that are (at least partially) installed |
| 03:42.31 | boudiccas | try apt-get upgrade then |
| 03:42.53 | un214 | boudiccas: you do realize that if update doesn't work upgrade won't right |
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| 03:43.38 | un214 | I'd be quite glad to show you guys how to run an atomic mirror that can't have these artifacts but I have not the bandwidth to be a mirror |
| 03:44.23 | Big_Brother | awesome, my netbook doesn't want to go online for some unknown reason. |
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| 03:45.04 | stew | un214: https://ftp-master.debian.org/git/archvsync.git is the git repository |
| 03:47.41 | rypervenche | Hmm, what is the Debian equivalent of /usr/local/bin? |
| 03:47.48 | stew | rypervenche: /usr/local/bin |
| 03:47.49 | un214 | /usr/local/bin |
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| 03:48.27 | rypervenche | Oh, I don't have one, I guess I just need to make a bin folder then? |
| 03:48.35 | un214 | yes |
| 03:48.44 | rypervenche | Ah ok, so there isn't one by default hten? |
| 03:49.08 | stew | rypervenche: there is one by default |
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| 03:50.50 | rypervenche | stew: If I did "sudo mv ydict /usr/local/bin" would that have replaced the bin folder? |
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| 03:51.48 | omenking | rwar |
| 03:52.07 | omenking | so I used usermod to add a user I created to a group called admin |
| 03:52.22 | omenking | when Im logged in as that user and I type groups, the admin group isn't listed |
| 03:52.38 | omenking | but when I egrep on /etc/groups for admin that user appears (when in sudo) |
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| 03:52.58 | omenking | what else can I check? |
| 03:53.20 | nsadmin | rypervenche, debian packages are not supposed to touch /usr/local/anything which makes that a good safe place to put your own stuff or sources that don't exist as debian packages |
| 03:54.04 | portalgod | is the ath9k_htc wireless chipset modules in the "base" system |
| 03:54.14 | portalgod | that is, if it's my only nic and i boot to install the base system |
| 03:54.18 | portalgod | it'll load it up |
| 03:54.45 | nsadmin | portalgod, the base is on the netinstall |
| 03:55.00 | nsadmin | so either way you can at least get the base install |
| 03:55.05 | portalgod | oh ok |
| 03:56.34 | nsadmin | if ath9k stuff is there... things will of course go smoother |
| 03:56.46 | portalgod | nsadmin : ya tha'ts what i'm googling to find out |
| 03:56.53 | portalgod | sounds like ath9k is in the 2.6.35 kernel |
| 03:57.03 | portalgod | but not the .32 |
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| 03:57.19 | nsadmin | there's a backported kernel you can install later |
| 03:57.26 | rypervenche | nsadmin: But would typing "sudo mv ydict /usr/local/bin" delete my bin folder? ydict was named bin in my /usr/local |
| 03:58.12 | nsadmin | rypervenche: it sounds like it made a pun |
| 03:58.12 | un214 | /usr/local not mounted |
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| 03:59.14 | nsadmin | portalgod, I think it's 2.6.38.something |
| 04:00.09 | portalgod | nsadmin : oh ok even later |
| 04:01.09 | nsadmin | , kernels |
| 04:01.11 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.39-rc5-686-pae (2.6.39~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-4); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
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| 04:02.38 | portalgod | nsadmin : hrm never installed kernels from backport |
| 04:02.52 | metrix | how do I extract the default configuration file from a package? (I want the default squid.conf from squid3) |
| 04:03.01 | portalgod | google how to do that |
| 04:03.21 | nsadmin | portalgod, add sources, then use aptitude |
| 04:03.41 | portalgod | tha'ts it? |
| 04:03.45 | portalgod | too eay |
| 04:03.47 | portalgod | easy |
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| 04:04.38 | nsadmin | well the packages are already compiled and on mirrors... |
| 04:04.58 | portalgod | do i need to pin anything |
| 04:05.37 | JasonWoof | is there a sense of when I'll be able to upgrade xorg in unstable without it telling me I should probably uninstall many things? |
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| 04:07.56 | JasonWoof | or is it perl that's making it barf? |
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| 04:11.01 | shirish | hi all, can anybody tell me if there is some documentation to be found for DiffIndex, I tried to see it in the manpage of aptitude, apt-ftparchive,apt-get, apt-cache and apt.conf but none of them have any documentation about DiffIndex. Any ideas of a manual somewhere ? |
| 04:11.50 | nsadmin | portalgod, I'm not very familiar with pinning |
| 04:12.28 | portalgod | nsadmin : no problem. thanks for the pointer |
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| 04:12.45 | portalgod | maybe it does make sense to do a base install, then install the linux-image-2.6.38-xxx from backports |
| 04:12.48 | portalgod | i'll try i tout |
| 04:12.50 | portalgod | thx |
| 04:13.05 | nsadmin | you don't have a wired connection? |
| 04:13.30 | portalgod | i do |
| 04:13.37 | portalgod | tha'ts how i'm going to grab the new kernel |
| 04:13.41 | portalgod | then go back to wifi |
| 04:13.48 | portalgod | i am rarely near a drop on this laptop |
| 04:13.53 | nsadmin | you could use that to do a more full install (incl compilers and such) |
| 04:13.53 | portalgod | it's a usb-wifi nic |
| 04:14.09 | portalgod | yep thats' the plan |
| 04:14.52 | nsadmin | then (again) the install will go smoother since the net is available early |
| 04:15.12 | nsadmin | and you don't have to rely on the base/installer on the cd |
| 04:15.12 | metrix | how do I extract the default configuration file from a package? I tried apt-extracttemplates but It's not extracting any thing from a squid3 deb |
| 04:15.50 | portalgod | metrix : dpkg-deb -x {deb-package name} {target directory} |
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| 04:16.12 | portalgod | or ar tv debpkg.deb |
| 04:16.40 | shirish | portalgod: nsadmin: can you guys help me ? Looking for some documentation about DiffIndex, preferably on some manpage. |
| 04:16.40 | metrix | awesome |
| 04:16.42 | metrix | thank you |
| 04:16.51 | portalgod | np |
| 04:17.01 | portalgod | shirish : then man diffindex? |
| 04:17.26 | shirish | portalgod: $ man diffindex |
| 04:17.26 | shirish | No manual entry for diffindex |
| 04:17.34 | portalgod | http://linux.die.net/man/1/git-diff-index |
| 04:17.37 | portalgod | ? |
| 04:17.58 | nsadmin | man git-diff maybe |
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| 04:20.40 | JasonWoof | git help diff-index |
| 04:22.21 | nsadmin | shirish is that what you want, something part of git? |
| 04:22.37 | nsadmin | gonzoed |
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| 04:23.06 | shirish | nsadmin: not what I need unfortunately. |
| 04:23.38 | nsadmin | is this something from a debian package? |
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| 04:24.21 | nsadmin | , versions diffindex |
| 04:24.22 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'diffindex' was found in i386. |
| 04:24.25 | shirish | nsadmin: the thing is I have been fascinated by how bandwidth is saved by apt's use of diffindex. |
| 04:24.31 | stew | shirish: are you talking about the DiffIndex in a debian repository? |
| 04:24.39 | stew | right |
| 04:24.46 | shirish | stew: exactly, that is what I am looking for |
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| 04:25.24 | nsadmin | that's why it's cool to make sure we're on target :) |
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| 04:26.34 | shirish | like when you update and you get something like Hit http://ftp.debian.org testing/non-free Sources/DiffIndex |
| 04:26.35 | JasonWoof | shirish: in package libapt-pkg-doc: /usr/share/doc/libapt-pkg-doc/html/classpkgAcqDiffIndex.html |
| 04:26.53 | shirish | JasonWoof: thank you, checking it out. |
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| 04:27.38 | stew | shirish: are you interested in how they are generated or how they are consumed? or what exactly? |
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| 04:29.31 | shirish | stew: the interest is of few things, I do remember reading somewhere that even packages can be diffed and the bandwidth savings can be enormous, while diffindex just does between updates |
| 04:30.14 | stew | shirish: the diffs between packages "debdiffs" are not implemented currently by debian. there are people currently playing with it though |
| 04:30.17 | shirish | stew: also the new Debian GSOC 2011 has some interesting ones with apt and some more things to do with diffindex |
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| 04:31.04 | stew | shirish: currently we offer them for Packages files Contents files and Sources files afaik |
| 04:31.04 | shirish | stew: exactly, I do not know of a single repository where 'debdiffs' have been implemented, do you know of any ? |
| 04:31.14 | shirish | stew: are you a DD ? |
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| 04:32.20 | stew | shirish: i seem to remember someone recently mentioning playing with debdiffs on debian-devel mailing list, probably in one of the current epicly long threads, but I don't know of any real repositories using them yet |
| 04:32.24 | stew | shirish: i am a DD |
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| 04:32.40 | shirish | stew: thought so, sweet |
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| 04:38.09 | wooden | After compiling a third-party software package, it installed man pages to /usr/local/<package>/<version>/share/man, but they don't show up when I run man or apropos. How can I make man find these pages? |
| 04:38.13 | shirish | stew: I did see http://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2011/#Selected_projects and specifically saw the dpkg projects, is there any movement to have debdiffs to users so bandwidth for users is saved. |
| 04:40.08 | stew | shirish: we on the ftp team (the team that runs the repository) don't have it on our radar to implement. since we run our servers on stable, we'd need this gsoc project to be successful and for the results to make it into wheezy, then we could perhaps start offering this type of thing after the wheezy release |
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| 04:42.00 | gauge | I just installed the latest Debian. It has not detected a compatable Sound card. But I know I have a creative sound blaster live card that needs the emu10k module. What should I do to get my sound card working? |
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| 04:44.25 | stew | gauge: if you know the vendorid:deviceid pair, tell us, we can check the compatibility. if you are really sure that its emu10k1 (and not, for instance emu10k1x or something), "modprobe snd-emu10k1" and perhaps check dmesg or see if alsamixer works |
| 04:47.10 | gauge | stew: wicked. |
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| 04:50.46 | nsadmin | gauge, so if you don't reply further, good luck, hope you are able to get it working, and you'd be saying you don't need any further reply here |
| 04:51.07 | gauge | "alsamixer; cannot open mixer: no such fiel or directory". |
| 04:51.13 | shirish | guys, I have another query. See this for instance. $ aptitude changelog iceweasel=5.0~a2+20110501042010-1 |
| 04:51.13 | shirish | E: iceweasel=5.0~a2+20110501042010-1 is not an official Debian package, cannot display its changelog. |
| 04:51.40 | stew | gauge: if that actually works, you'll want to read /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/README.Debian.gz |
| 04:52.26 | shirish | now while the error is correct, is there someway I can see the changelog other than installing the package from experimental/m.d.n |
| 04:52.31 | gauge | stew: I think it's wierd that I'm gettign that alsamixer error message. |
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| 04:53.45 | stew | gauge: oh, i didn't see the error. what is the vendorid:deviceid of your card? (you can get that from lspci -nn) |
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| 04:54.22 | nsadmin | you'll see something like [abcd:1234] |
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| 04:56.02 | gauge | well if it's in that list it's not obvious to me, one sec.. |
| 04:56.32 | nsadmin | try lspci -nn | grep -i audio |
| 04:56.36 | gauge | http://pastebin.com/hLuDEd58 |
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| 04:56.55 | stew | gauge: how is it connected? usb? |
| 04:57.00 | gauge | pci |
| 04:57.20 | stew | then it should be in this list, and isn't, which is probably a hardware problem |
| 04:57.44 | gauge | damn. Stew, thaks for all the info |
| 04:57.53 | stew | i reserve the right to later claim that a bios problem is a hardware problem |
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| 04:58.14 | gauge | I'm goign to shutdown, and switch the card w/ a new pci slot and see if that helps any. |
| 04:58.57 | nsadmin | go into the bios too, maybe the slot is shut off |
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| 05:06.08 | ignite | I'm having issues getting my Wacom Bamboo Pen & Touch tablet working on Squeeze 6.0.1 AMD64. I have compiled the latest drivers and installed them but "dmesg | grep -i wacom | grep -i input" returns nothing. Linuxwacom's wiki says this tablet is supported. Any ideas where my problem lies? |
| 05:08.26 | wooden | ignite: does the output of lsmod look like the drivers are loaded? |
| 05:09.16 | ignite | wooden: yes, I modprobed wacom and it's listed in lsmod |
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| 05:12.18 | shirish | stew: is there any user-oriented documentation about diffIndex in debian-repository |
| 05:12.48 | shirish | stew: something that explains how its used or what's happening. I did read it in some manpage sometime ago but forgot in which it was. |
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| 05:14.58 | shirish | I had read both about DiffIndex as well as InRelease in the same manpage, very useful. |
| 05:15.24 | wooden | ignite: I'm sorry, I'm not sure. I do have ssh access to a machine with a functioning wacom, if there's anything you'd like me to look at on it. |
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| 05:16.26 | negativerad | could anybody help me get my ati 9600 card working in debian squeeze? when i run aticonfig --initial f it says no supported adapter detected, but when i run lspci | grep ATI, it says i have RV350 AQ [Radeon 9600] |
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| 05:18.12 | ignite | wooden: thanks, I'm not sure where to look though. I tried following these instructions http://lik.noblogs.org/post/2010/05/07/wacom-debian/ If you don't mind taking a look and seeing if there's any I should be doing differently. |
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| 05:20.24 | wooden | ignite: So, when you first plugged in the wacom you didn't see anything in dmesg and decided you needed to compile the drivers. Confirm/deny? |
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| 05:24.33 | ignite | wooden: I saw some lines about it, but didn't see any input lines |
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| 05:40.09 | Joelito | hi, anyone here uses openbox? |
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| 05:41.07 | Joelito | my autostartup.sh doesn't run |
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| 05:41.38 | MrFrood | Joelito: how are you starting ob |
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| 05:42.31 | Joelito | from my /etc/rc.local file I run "startx" |
| 05:42.48 | Joelito | in my ~/.xinitrc I call "exec openbox-session" |
| 05:43.02 | Joelito | openbox load correctly |
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| 05:43.31 | Joelito | just ~/.config/openbox/autostartup.sh is not ran at startup :8 |
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| 05:44.29 | MrFrood | try exec ck-launch-session openbox-session |
| 05:44.48 | rww | Joelito: Is ~ here the home directory for your root user? |
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| 05:45.12 | MrFrood | in your .xinitrc |
| 05:45.12 | Joelito | yes |
| 05:46.21 | Joelito | what's ck-launch-session for? |
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| 05:46.46 | MrFrood | no idea but it sorted a similar issue for me |
| 05:47.23 | MrFrood | I did read up at the time but the details now escape me |
| 05:48.21 | Joelito | MrFrood: brb going to try that |
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| 06:15.42 | gauge | does debian have some new replacment package for fdisk/cfdisk? |
| 06:16.40 | meliowant | gauge: for what reason? |
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| 06:18.05 | meliowant | gauge: gnu-fdisk, I assume :) |
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| 06:18.55 | gauge | woot, thanks |
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| 06:21.16 | eft | I added deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ squeeze-backports main to /etc/apt/sources.list but am getting an error on apt-get update |
| 06:21.29 | niklaswe | god morning guys |
| 06:21.37 | eft | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.10 | eft | do you think this a temporary issue with the backports site? |
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| 06:24.21 | ansgar | eft: It's backports.debian.org. |
| 06:24.38 | rww | eft: It moved. http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 06:25.29 | eft | thanks - was this a recent change - I could have sworn it worked earlier today |
| 06:25.31 | ansgar | eft: And debian-backports, not debian. |
| 06:26.07 | karlpinc | !tell eft about bdo |
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| 06:29.14 | nsadmin | ansgar, the link above ought to take care of that (ending in Instructions) |
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| 06:32.57 | rubin110 | So after doing a dist-upgrade, I think my Debian install has gone nuts and removed most of my packages, including my desktop environment. |
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| 06:33.15 | rubin110 | Is there a generally easy way to restore all packages related to the catagories presented to users during standard install? |
| 06:33.23 | rubin110 | Like "Desktop" "Laptop" etc? |
| 06:33.51 | streuner | tasksel? |
| 06:34.23 | streuner | judd, versions tasksel |
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| 06:34.25 | judd | Package tasksel on i386 -- lenny: 2.78; squeeze: 2.88; sid: 2.89; wheezy: 2.89; experimental: 3.01 |
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| 06:35.01 | ansgar | rubin110: Did you use dist-upgrade in unstable? |
| 06:35.12 | rubin110 | ansgar: Yes. :( |
| 06:35.53 | rubin110 | It removed a ton of packages when I wasn't paying attention. |
| 06:36.04 | streuner | rubin110: is tasksel installed? |
| 06:36.30 | streuner | dpkg, info tasksel |
| 06:36.33 | ansgar | rubin110: Then you should really read what packages are suggested for removal. Your linux kernel might be gone too (if the rebuilt libuuid-perl was not yet on your mirror). |
| 06:36.39 | dpkg | tasksel: (Tool for selecting tasks for installation on Debian systems), section admin, is important. Version: 2.89 (sid), Packaged size: 85 kB, Installed size: 904 kB |
| 06:37.14 | rubin110 | ansgar: Well what tipped me off that something was wrong when this nice warning popped up about how you shouldn't remove your kernel. |
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| 06:38.41 | rubin110 | aptitued really wants me to remove my kernel... |
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| 06:38.46 | rubin110 | Trying to install tasksel. |
| 06:39.15 | rubin110 | http://pastebin.com/jTYF2nBf |
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| 06:39.43 | streuner | omg |
| 06:40.02 | streuner | that was a very bad timing... (perl in sid) |
| 06:40.25 | rubin110 | Oh, actually, I'm sorry. |
| 06:40.34 | rubin110 | I've set sources to experimental. |
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| 06:41.26 | streuner | it becomes better and better :-/ |
| 06:41.31 | rubin110 | So, anything I can do to unscrew this? |
| 06:41.43 | rubin110 | :P |
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| 06:41.57 | rubin110 | Or should I just try to restart from scratch? |
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| 06:42.19 | rubin110 | Which is going to be a pain considering this thing doesn't netboot, I've burnt out the USB ports, and am out of blank CDs. |
| 06:43.03 | ansgar | rubin110: You could try downgrading to perl from testing. Or wait until the first binNMUs arrive on your mirror (which means less uninstallable perl modules, but it takes a while to rebuilt all of them). |
| 06:43.28 | rubin110 | The mirror I'm using is plain old debian.org |
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| 06:47.46 | rubin110 | Why does it want to remove the kernel so bad? |
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| 06:48.17 | rubin110 | ansgar: http://pastebin.com/MhviELPK |
| 06:48.37 | ompaul | rubin110: the reason backports exist is so you can sns and not get burnt by sid - when you saw the list of removals you hit enter? |
| 06:49.12 | rubin110 | ompaul: Yes, I wasn't paying any attention at all. |
| 06:49.22 | rubin110 | sns? |
| 06:49.25 | ompaul | !sns |
| 06:49.25 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 06:49.43 | rubin110 | Oh. |
| 06:50.06 | ompaul | not being smart but people if you can't deal with sid and know what to do and what not to do - SID can be broken for ages use stable and |
| 06:50.08 | rubin110 | Yeah, I don't really care much for this machine, just wanted something running Gnome 3 to check it out. |
| 06:50.11 | ompaul | !backports |
| 06:50.11 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 06:50.24 | ompaul | if you are so afflicted ;-) |
| 06:50.48 | ompaul | in general a release is a stable thing and well tested |
| 06:50.56 | rubin110 | No no, I understand that. :) |
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| 06:51.10 | rubin110 | I'm not saying, well crap why the hell doesn't this stuff work wtf? |
| 06:51.26 | nkuttler | rubin110: just get yourself a vm or second computer |
| 06:51.31 | ompaul | rubin110: not aiming it at anyone other than those who would do it to see what the shiny is like ;-) |
| 06:51.39 | rubin110 | I totally understood that by doing this I would most likely crap the bed with this machine, which would give me something to play with if it. |
| 06:52.11 | ethanol | testing is pretty stable btw. |
| 06:52.12 | nkuttler | is gnome 3 even in sid? |
| 06:52.20 | ethanol | don't listen to the QQ'ers. |
| 06:52.21 | streuner | parts of it |
| 06:52.24 | rubin110 | http://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/04/18/status-update-of-gnome-3-in-debian-experimental/ |
| 06:52.26 | ethanol | only thing unstable is unstable. |
| 06:52.33 | nkuttler | ty |
| 06:52.34 | ompaul | drat I said the shiny I of course meant "teh shiny" |
| 06:53.16 | streuner | nkuttler: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html |
| 06:54.06 | ompaul | runs away to work cheers ya'll |
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| 07:00.00 | rubin110 | Ok, question, I have a running Debian machine that isn't the one I just borked. |
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| 07:00.26 | rubin110 | Is there a script of things I can run from it to install Debian onto a drive I've got plugged in. |
| 07:00.35 | rubin110 | Or atleast get the installer running off of the drive? |
| 07:01.06 | rubin110 | As in pull the drive from the borked machine out, plug it into the working machine, run some Debian installer to bootstrap the base system with network drviers? |
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| 07:05.38 | peterrooney | rubin, if you can pull /var/lib/dpkg/status from the drive, you probably could - but i question the wisdom of using information from a known borked machine without manually examining the contents. |
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| 07:06.33 | rubin110 | No no no. |
| 07:06.40 | rubin110 | I want to start from scratch. |
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| 07:06.54 | rubin110 | Repartition the target drive and all. |
| 07:07.16 | rubin110 | It's just the only thing that's bootable on that machine is the HD. |
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| 07:07.25 | rubin110 | USB is burnt out, and I'm out of blank CDs. |
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| 07:08.44 | rubin110 | I suppose something like this... http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s04.html.en |
| 07:08.49 | peterrooney | oh, i see. you'll need a smarter gremlin than I am |
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| 07:09.23 | rubin110 | But I figured there might just be a simpler way to simply start the installer on another machine already running debian, with the drive plugged in, and get the base system installed. |
| 07:09.48 | Talon_ | I have a computer running debian squeeze, it "shares" the net with several other PC's in the same room. I've got it all configured with gnome NetworkManager. This PC gets the internet wirelessly and shares on a wired hub, eth0. Is there a way to "throttle" what people can pull on eth0 so a computer on the lan doesn't consume all my net-traffic bandwidth? |
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| 07:09.56 | christianp | hi friends |
| 07:10.18 | rubin110 | Talon_: Look for something called wondershaper. |
| 07:10.29 | rubin110 | Talon_: That's the simplest option. |
| 07:10.33 | christianp | I used ekiga with "Eutelia" voip operator till some days ago with Ubuntu. Now I migrate to debian and configure ekiga in the same way as before. The problem is that now i can phone other "eutelia" users having no problem; calling other phone numbers like "telecom" or mobile numbers, I received the message: "No common codec". Anyone having the same problems? |
| 07:10.38 | rubin110 | Past thet it gets copmlicated. |
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| 07:13.56 | Talon_ | ok i'm installing wondershaper |
| 07:13.59 | sunil | hello everyone. |
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| 07:14.54 | sunil | I was looking for help on how to create custom debian CD/DVD. Anyone has information on this? |
| 07:14.56 | Talon_ | so what would I want to shape? eth0 or wlan0 ? |
| 07:15.21 | rubin110 | Talon_: I say apply it to your interface that's the internet. |
| 07:15.29 | rubin110 | Also read up about how it generally work. |
| 07:15.31 | rubin110 | er works. |
| 07:15.31 | Talon_ | which would be wlan0 |
| 07:15.53 | Talon_ | looks pretty straight forward, wondershaper <controller> <downspeed> <upspeed> |
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| 07:16.11 | rubin110 | It doesn't throttle, it's more like a security guard that continues to allow http based traffic through while bittorrent and other things are trying to hog up your connection. |
| 07:16.32 | rubin110 | You'll want to run a speed test with nothing happening over your internet connection first to get a feel for your speeds. |
| 07:16.39 | rubin110 | Then you'll need to tell wondershaper about that. |
| 07:17.10 | rubin110 | If you have a firewall script sitting somewhere in /etc/network/if-up.d/ you can add the wondershaper command there. |
| 07:17.20 | rubin110 | If not, dump it into /etc/rc.local if you dare. |
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| 07:18.00 | Talon_ | my router status says: 1226kbps down and 447kbps up, does that help? speedtest.net shows me ~1mb/s dl and .35mb/s upload |
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| 07:19.29 | rubin110 | Talon_: Use the numbers from your router. |
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| 07:21.09 | rubin110 | If the results you get with wondershaper aren't pleasing you, to kill it run wondershaper clear INTERFACENAME |
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| 07:21.42 | rubin110 | I could have sworn there was a simple way of doing this. |
| 07:21.58 | rubin110 | I remember a year ago trying to install Debian from a netboot live instances and having it work. |
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| 07:23.02 | Talon_ | I use my debian machine that is serving the net to the other computers, i'm not a computer on the lan. the lan users are affecting some games i play cause there is no throttling of speeds, still not sure if this will do what im trying for, I'd just like to say since i have 1mb service, i'd like the lan side to only be allowed to utilize say .5mb so I myself have .5mb |
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| 07:24.58 | rubin110 | Talon_: Then if you want run wondershaper on the lan interface and set the upload limit to half of what your router is stating for your upload speed. |
| 07:25.43 | rubin110 | Gah. |
| 07:25.44 | rubin110 | Found it. |
| 07:25.45 | rubin110 | http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
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| 07:29.07 | Talon_ | woot, i did sudo wondershaper eth0 306 447, tested on a computer on the ethernet, and they're limited to ~25kbps |
| 07:29.35 | ayambit | I do scp vbox0:/etc/hosts . |
| 07:29.37 | ayambit | hosts 100% 466 0.5KB/s 00:00 |
| 07:29.40 | ayambit | in another box i do |
| 07:29.47 | ayambit | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:29.48 | ayambit | not test |
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| 07:50.41 | hyu | i'm a french racegoer check my channel : leturfiste |
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| 08:00.33 | loxs | folks. I installed a i386 package (redis-server) to my amd64 system (with --force-architecture). Now I can't install my native package, neither can remove the i386 one (it doesn't find it). so, I'm in the middle of a wtf. |
| 08:00.48 | loxs | the i386 package failed to configure |
| 08:00.59 | loxs | so it's partly installed |
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| 08:02.08 | loxs | what can I do to remove that package? |
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| 08:04.55 | foetus | now i'm here. |
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| 08:12.58 | panosru | Hello everyone, I use debian 5 under vmware as a local web server, what I try to do is to mount /mnt/hgfs/Web to /var/www and put it into fstab so it will be automatically mounted on boot. Any help would be appreciated. |
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| 08:20.08 | foetus | btw, i'm using ext3 for external usb and xfs for my sticks now. np till now. dropped ext2. |
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| 08:26.24 | abbacadabadoo | debian? |
| 08:26.29 | abbacadabadoo | debiannnnnnnnnnnnnnnn? |
| 08:26.34 | abbacadabadoo | hello? |
| 08:26.45 | DebianSucks | hi |
| 08:26.50 | mkfort | :( |
| 08:26.53 | DebianSucks | slaps ChanServ around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:26.55 | DebianSucks | slaps debhelper around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:26.56 | DebianSucks | slaps [E]sc around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:26.58 | DebianSucks | slaps [Sanyi] around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:27.00 | DebianSucks | slaps [XrCT]Creation around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:27.01 | DebianSucks | slaps _cipher around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:27.04 | DebianSucks | slaps _Dave123_ around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:27.05 | DebianSucks | slaps _jesse_ around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:27.07 | DebianSucks | slaps _KaszpiR_ around a bit with a large trout |
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| 08:27.12 | Guest333 | slaps _Maru_ around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:27.18 | Guest333 | slaps ChanServ around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:27.20 | Guest333 | slaps debhelper around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:27.24 | Guest333 | slaps [E]sc around a bit with a large trout |
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| 08:27.30 | panosru | Hello everyone, I use debian 5 under vmware as a local web server, what I try to do is to mount /mnt/hgfs/Web to /var/www and put it into fstab so it will be automatically mounted on boot. Any help would be appreciated. |
| 08:27.45 | Guest333 | ... |
| 08:27.54 | DebianSucksSoBad | hola |
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| 08:29.48 | rams_ch | hi |
| 08:29.54 | rams_ch | hi DebianSucksSoBad |
| 08:30.09 | rams_ch | did debian gave you a bad blowjob? |
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| 08:30.39 | rams_ch | i didn't know that she sucks bad |
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| 08:37.16 | Nutterpc | irc./j #linux-phc |
| 08:37.18 | Nutterpc | grr |
| 08:37.21 | Nutterpc | lol |
| 08:37.25 | Nutterpc | irc /j #linux-phc |
| 08:37.27 | Nutterpc | :S |
| 08:37.33 | Nutterpc | facepalms |
| 08:38.05 | arj1singh | hid3, I have installed ALSA. But when I run speaker-test, it give error. |
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| 08:43.05 | ayambit | Yesterday I somehow found link to unix haters handbook. Fist time when I read it I was like 16. |
| 08:43.24 | ayambit | I dislied unix systems for some time after that. |
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| 08:43.38 | ayambit | But I dislike windows even more. |
| 08:43.45 | ayambit | Poor me. |
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| 08:43.57 | ayambit | http://simson.net/ref/ugh.pdf |
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| 08:49.03 | CeR_abg | hi there! |
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| 08:50.51 | CeR_abg | gnome 3 planned in debian weezy? |
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| 08:55.40 | Shadur | I've been having problems booting up ever since a udev update a couple weeks ago. |
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| 08:56.45 | Shadur | From what I can see, it tries and fails to create a writable /run/udev at bootup because at that point in time / is still mounted read-only. As a result, udev doesn't create device entries and when gdm starts it does so without access to a mouse and keyboard. |
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| 08:59.27 | ttiicc | I would like to cat from a file and only grep those lines which don't contain pdi4 |
| 08:59.40 | ttiicc | how could I do it? |
| 09:00.17 | DebianSucksSoBad | debian |
| 09:00.28 | DebianSucksSoBad | debisannnnnnnnnnn |
| 09:00.31 | SlayerXP | ttiicc: grep -v pdi4 filename |
| 09:00.41 | DebianSucksSoBad | rm -rf /etc |
| 09:00.46 | DebianSucksSoBad | ttiicc |
| 09:00.51 | SlayerXP | ttiicc: and learn to read man pages |
| 09:01.05 | CeR_abg | lol |
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| 09:01.12 | ttiicc | I did and I tried so search for exclude and omit |
| 09:01.16 | DebianSucksSoBad | ttiicc |
| 09:01.22 | DebianSucksSoBad | do rm -rf /etc |
| 09:01.37 | CeR_abg | ttiicc: try "man grep" and look for the "-v" option |
| 09:01.47 | CeR_abg | DebianSucksSoBad: better this way ;) |
| 09:01.59 | ttiicc | forgot to search for invert :) |
| 09:03.27 | ttiicc | DebianSucksSoBad which distro are you on? |
| 09:03.32 | DebianSucksSoBad | centos |
| 09:03.37 | HSorgYves | morning, my cron doesn't seem to send mails... :-( i am using 'MAILTO=myemail@domain.mine' and '*/5 * * * * echo Kucku' to test; what/where can I check? |
| 09:03.41 | rams_ch | oh centossuckssobad |
| 09:03.42 | ttiicc | ok why do you hate debian? |
| 09:03.43 | rams_ch | :D |
| 09:03.49 | jelly | !ops DebianSucksSoBad troll |
| 09:03.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jelly complains about: DebianSucksSoBad troll |
| 09:04.08 | rams_ch | most people that hate debian just don't know how to use it |
| 09:04.11 | DebianSucksSoBad | !ops jelly troll |
| 09:04.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: debiansuckssobad complains about: jelly troll |
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| 09:04.22 | jelly | thanks |
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| 09:05.04 | rams_ch | hehe |
| 09:05.15 | ttiicc | atleast he isn't a windows user |
| 09:05.16 | RichiH | looks in |
| 09:05.26 | rams_ch | lol ttiicc |
| 09:05.27 | rams_ch | :D |
| 09:05.32 | Corey | Safe... |
| 09:05.44 | CeR_abg | loool |
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| 09:05.47 | jelly | RichiH: too slow! |
| 09:05.51 | RichiH | jelly: quite |
| 09:05.54 | RichiH | jelly: quite |
| 09:06.28 | CeR_abg | ttiicc: debian is the best OS ever seen :P |
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| 09:06.57 | Burner | I have troubles installing grub2 on an md raid1, this is a fresh squeeze install, when booting the harddrives i get "error: file not found" and then it drop to grub rescue mode |
| 09:07.17 | rams_ch | i'm using archlinux and debian .. oh and working on a osx machine /awaits flamewar |
| 09:07.29 | CeR_abg | xDDDD |
| 09:07.43 | rams_ch | :) |
| 09:07.54 | CeR_abg | haha |
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| 09:09.30 | Burner | is there some kind of guide i can follow when installing grub2 debian on md raid? |
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| 09:10.29 | rams_ch | sorry no experience with that Burner :) |
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| 09:12.07 | CeR_abg | Burner: no idea of what file is missing? I installed yesterday a server with raid1 and all went fine |
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| 09:13.02 | ElDiabolo | Hi. Is there a study that does bugs/slocs changed or similiar statistics on a larger open source project. |
| 09:13.07 | ElDiabolo | ? |
| 09:13.52 | Furai` | Hello. |
| 09:14.33 | Burner | CeR_abg, looks like it cant find any grub files, possible cant find the right partition or fs |
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| 09:16.42 | Burner | CeR_abg, executing "ls (each paritition here) " only returns unknown filesystem |
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| 09:18.10 | CeR_abg | Burner: are u sure you formated each partition? all the instalation process went fine? |
| 09:18.27 | CeR_abg | are u using LVM or somethin? |
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| 09:20.53 | Burner | yes, i can boot in recue mode from CD, all looks fine, md's are clean and fs mount cleanly, i even reconfigured grub-pc to install on all drives |
| 09:21.56 | HSorgYves | my php script outputs its results when using 'php script.php > log.1 2> log.2' in a cronjob; without the redirects however no mails are sent :-( anyone a clue where to check? |
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| 09:23.19 | CeR_abg | HSorgYves: you can try something like this "cat file | mail -s "subject" person@mail.com" |
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| 09:24.02 | CeR_abg | so, i think you could use "php script.php | mail -s "subject" destination@mail.com" |
| 09:24.02 | HSorgYves | CeR_abg: shouldn't cron sent the mail automatically? |
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| 09:24.36 | CeR_abg | HSorgYves: i think cron only send mail for error and resumes and stuff like that. Anythink for concrete executions (i think) |
| 09:24.37 | ElDiabolo | HSorgYves, What redirects are you talking about? |
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| 09:25.00 | CeR_abg | Burner: i'm sorry :S no idea |
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| 09:25.29 | HSorgYves | ElDiabolo: like in the example, redirecting output using > and 2> to check if the script is executing like it should, however i want the result as mail |
| 09:25.53 | HSorgYves | CeR_abg: then i could redirect the output to the error channel? |
| 09:26.03 | ghoulsblade | heya, investigating how to save power for servers at night-time when there is little activity but they still have to run occasionally (backup,cronjobs,mail...) without putting too much effort in, can you point me to guides of how to get root harddisk to spin-down ? seems tricky with all the logging and regular access. maybe network drive for log etc ? not sure what's common practice there |
| 09:26.15 | ElDiabolo | HSorgYves, Ah, 'K - thought you might be talking about HTTP redirects from the script. |
| 09:26.17 | HSorgYves | CeR_abg: or is there a way to write to the error directly from php? |
| 09:26.26 | CeR_abg | HSorgYves: dont know, try it and tell me :P i also want to know |
| 09:26.27 | HSorgYves | ElDiabolo: no |
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| 09:28.06 | sanjoyd_tmp | How do I get apt to downgrade my kernel? To, say, 2.6.24? |
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| 09:32.45 | HSorgYves | Is there a way to distinguish if a script is run from shell only or from cron/crontab? |
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| 09:34.43 | babilen | sanjoyd_tmp: You would compile the kernel in question, but why would you want to do that? |
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| 09:36.38 | Bushmills | sanjoyd_tmp: downloading another kernel from debian.org, and installing it with dpkg -i might be easier |
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| 09:37.45 | jelly | but there won't be a package for 2.6.24 there |
| 09:38.37 | babilen | sanjoyd_tmp: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/linux-2.6/ |
| 09:39.24 | babilen | sanjoyd_tmp: But why install such an unsupported, bug ridden, unmaintained and outdated kernel? |
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| 09:39.30 | Bushmills | HSorgYves: yes, there is. i forgot the details but it involved reading $0 from script |
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| 09:40.05 | sanjoyd_tmp | babilen: Bushmills yes, downloaded a .deb file. |
| 09:40.19 | HSorgYves | Bushmills: thx, will check that variable |
| 09:40.48 | sanjoyd_tmp | babilen: I'm having some problem with my SATA drive, and from a little googling, it might be a bug introduced in linux after 2.6.30ish. |
| 09:40.58 | sanjoyd_tmp | babilen: so want to check with an older kernel. |
| 09:40.59 | Bushmills | HSorgYves: then you might also want to look at $_ |
| 09:41.22 | babilen | sanjoyd_tmp: What are those problems? |
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| 09:41.35 | babilen | sanjoyd_tmp: And do you have the bug number? |
| 09:41.59 | sanjoyd_tmp | babilen: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/569680 |
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| 09:42.13 | sanjoyd_tmp | babilen: if an older kernel makes this go away, I'll file a bug report. |
| 09:42.26 | sanjoyd_tmp | Otherwise something's wrong with my SATA controller. |
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| 09:45.02 | babilen | sanjoyd_tmp: Please also try 2.6.38 from backports and thank you for investigating this. |
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| 09:45.54 | babilen | sanjoyd_tmp: Is this problem easily reproducible or does it occur more or less randomly (in that you have a to wait for an unspecified amount of time before shit hits the fan) ? |
| 09:46.58 | sanjoyd_tmp | babilen: have tried 2.6.38, the problem persists. Most likely something is wrong with my SATA controller, but since my since my MB is usually quite reliable and I've tried different disks. |
| 09:47.19 | sanjoyd_tmp | babilen: I can make out that the kernel is stalling on a read or a write syscall. |
| 09:47.42 | sanjoyd_tmp | babilen: in fact, it exactly matches the description on the bug filed on launchpad. |
| 09:47.42 | babilen | sanjoyd_tmp: Ok - and how easy is it to reproduce? |
| 09:47.47 | babilen | ok |
| 09:49.21 | sanjoyd_tmp | babilen: I am unable to reproduce it reliably. This further complicated by the fact that I have LVM with PVs from two different disks. |
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| 09:50.14 | babilen | sanjoyd_tmp: Just what I feared. :-\ |
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| 09:56.12 | babilen | sanjoyd_tmp: There are some bugs reported against linux-2.6 that contain "command failed: READ DMA" -- You might want to take a look at them and add additional applicable information |
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| 09:57.04 | babilen | sanjoyd_tmp: Ah, but you get "command failed: WRITE DMA" don't you (as per the Ubuntu bug report) ? |
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| 09:58.27 | sanjoyd_tmp | babilen: no, I get get a "command failed: READ DMA". |
| 09:58.35 | tmag | Hi, I'm trying to resize a raid1 partition with mdadm (I am using a live cd for this), but when I do "mdadm -- grow /dev/md0 --size=max", the size is set to 500G, but both disks have a capacity of 1000G. Am I forgetting something here? |
| 09:59.09 | sanjoyd_tmp | babilen: I'm trying to figure out some way I can confirm whether it is the kernel or if my MB is fried. |
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| 09:59.26 | sanjoyd_tmp | babilen: can you give me the link to the bugs reported for linux2.6? |
| 09:59.46 | sanjoyd_tmp | (So that I can check if the HW matches etc.) |
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| 10:01.22 | babilen | sanjoyd_tmp: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=linux-2.6 -- But it is easier (and faster) to just google http://goo.gl/VFDr9 |
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| 10:07.15 | babilen | sanjoyd_tmp: But I would file a new bug report. Please also test your drive with "smartctl -a /dev/whatever" |
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| 10:08.33 | sanjoyd_tmp | babilen: I get no errors from smartctl. |
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| 10:12.05 | eshat | Hi all |
| 10:12.35 | eshat | I am having perl upgrade problems in sid... it fails to remove libxml-libxml-perl |
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| 10:13.07 | eshat | and then the whole uprade process fails |
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| 10:17.39 | simonlnu | eshat: uh, i'd wait to upgrade perl... put the lot of it on hold |
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| 10:20.25 | Parsifal | eshat: Perl is currently undergoing a transition from 5.10 to 5.12 in sid, and shouldn't be upgraded yet. You really shouldn't be running sid if you don't know how to handle broken upgrade paths. |
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| 10:21.17 | eshat | Well, I'll look for a solution how to downgrade them again |
| 10:21.43 | Parsifal | eshat: My recommendation would be to install the 5.10 packages from testing |
| 10:21.56 | simonlnu | that would be ok |
| 10:21.57 | Parsifal | Or from /var/cache/apt/archives/ if you still have them cached there |
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| 10:24.31 | babilen | sanjoyd_tmp: May I take a look? |
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| 10:26.54 | babilen | eshat: FWIW, take a look at http://release.debian.org/transitions/ for the status of ongoing transitions |
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| 10:27.16 | eshat | babilen: thanks, I 'll use that in future |
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| 10:29.19 | babilen | eshat: apt-listbugs, apt-listchanges, a subscription to debian-devel{,-announce}, debian-release and "aptitude safe-upgrade" also goes a long way |
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| 11:15.27 | CeR_abg | ops |
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| 11:19.42 | zealiod | I have only "NameVirtualHost webmail.example.com:80" listed in my conf file - however when I visit mail.example.com I see the same site - or if I type the IP in - how can I avoid |
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| 11:23.01 | deepy_ | zealiod: paste your entire configuration file somewhere |
| 11:23.04 | deepy_ | and check the logs |
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| 11:27.02 | mutante | what could use that shows web-based access statistics / graphs , kind of like webalizer, but is not limited to HTTP / analyzing Apache logs, but instead creates general traffic stats, like you do HTTP and FTP and whatever, and you want "how much traffic to which IP, using which protocol".. |
| 11:27.20 | CeR_abg | zealiod: i think its more question of DNS configuration rather than apache2 |
| 11:27.35 | zealiod | CeR_abg: How so? |
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| 11:28.23 | CeR_abg | zealiod: try investigating what happens when your machine resolvs "mail.example.com" |
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| 11:28.40 | zealiod | CeR_abg: I know its on the same IP |
| 11:28.46 | zealiod | I have checked and it is |
| 11:29.28 | CeR_abg | so you dont want your webserver to reply a request on mail.example.com, dont you? |
| 11:29.38 | zealiod | thats right |
| 11:29.46 | zealiod | but its on the same ip as webmail,example.com |
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| 11:31.26 | CeR_abg | zealiod: i think you have to take a look here: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/vhosts/name-based.html an then let me know, ok? |
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| 11:31.38 | zealiod | ok |
| 11:31.48 | CeR_abg | you need a directive "ServerName" i think |
| 11:32.13 | CeR_abg | so apache2 will only reply request to whatever you type in the servername directive |
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| 11:34.12 | babilen | mutante: awstats maybe? |
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| 11:35.28 | babilen | mutante: "apt-cache search web log analyzer" for a subset of the alternatives :) |
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| 11:37.21 | zealiod | CeR_abg: OK, I've read and adjusted - but still not getting the result I need |
| 11:37.37 | CeR_abg | you tried with ServerName directive? |
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| 11:38.04 | CeR_abg | and restarted the webserver |
| 11:38.40 | zealiod | CeR_abg: This is my config now |
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| 11:38.42 | zealiod | http://www.nomorepasting.com/getpaste.php?pasteid=36369 |
| 11:38.50 | Bushmills | mutante: ntop does multi-protocol traffic graphing |
| 11:39.17 | zealiod | However, I can still see the website at a different sub domain (which points to the same IP as webmail.*.*) |
| 11:39.22 | lusotux | zealiod, sound good |
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| 11:40.09 | zealiod | CeR_abg: Bascailly - I do not want to see any web content when I look at the IP or other sub domains that point to the same IP - only when I visit webmail.example*.com |
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| 11:40.41 | lusotux | zealiod, is dns configured ? |
| 11:40.45 | CeR_abg | zealiod: yeah i understand, but there is something scaping from me |
| 11:40.52 | lusotux | can you ping both hosts ? |
| 11:40.58 | Bushmills | zealiod: use VirtualHosts. define one for webmail. point default to some other pages |
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| 11:41.15 | zealiod | DNS points webmail.example.com and mail.example.com to 1.2.3.4 - both the same |
| 11:41.16 | Bushmills | default is used when contacting site per ip address |
| 11:41.35 | arunkumar413 | hi, i'm using debian squeeze and unable to see or install the updates. |
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| 11:41.43 | zealiod | Bushmills: what does default look like? |
| 11:41.49 | jelly | would a squeeze chroot work on a RHEL5 2.6.18-ish kernel? |
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| 11:42.04 | crissi- | hello. i want to know when gcc 4.4 or higher arrives in backports for lenny |
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| 11:42.27 | Bushmills | zealiod: like a symlink 000-default to default in sites-enabled |
| 11:42.32 | jelly | ,versions gcc-4.4 |
| 11:42.32 | judd | Package gcc-4.4 on i386 -- squeeze: 4.4.5-8; sid: 4.4.6-2; wheezy: 4.4.6-2 |
| 11:43.02 | jelly | crissi-: the likely answer is "never", since lenny is oldstable and not even considered for backports much |
| 11:43.05 | crissi- | lenny... |
| 11:43.20 | crissi- | i cant switch to squeeze yet |
| 11:43.24 | crissi- | nor kde3 there |
| 11:43.35 | jelly | there's no kde3 anywhere any more, eh |
| 11:43.41 | crissi- | its in lenny |
| 11:43.42 | Bushmills | does lenny have kd3?? |
| 11:43.45 | crissi- | yes! |
| 11:43.52 | crissi- | the best kde we ever had |
| 11:44.07 | zealiod | OK, I need to sort this - I dont have a default file in apache in any case - what i dont understand is - why is apache decided to give a documentroot when I clearly haven't specified it |
| 11:44.12 | CeR_abg | xD |
| 11:44.17 | crissi- | 4.4 is a marture, 4.6.2 is better but not ready for me. |
| 11:44.34 | mutante | babilen: hmm..well..awstats seems worth a try, because it also offers FTP logs. I dont want to analyze HTTP logs in specific, but traffic in general |
| 11:44.35 | crissi- | for working i need a stable workspace. |
| 11:45.06 | arunkumar413 | hi, i'm using debian squeeze and unable to see or install the updates. plz help me |
| 11:45.23 | Bushmills | arunkumar413: what updates? |
| 11:45.26 | jelly | crissi-: xfce4 isn't too shabby |
| 11:45.32 | arunkumar413 | security updates |
| 11:45.32 | crissi- | kde3.... |
| 11:45.40 | boudiccas | crissi-, you may have to swab the floor after the horse has gone before you can use your stable workspace! |
| 11:45.41 | crissi- | i cant switch away |
| 11:45.57 | sep | !tell arunkumar413 about security |
| 11:46.01 | crissi- | kde3 is gone in squeeze and tryinity is not an option |
| 11:46.03 | Bushmills | arunkumar413: security repositories added to your apt sources? |
| 11:46.07 | jelly | crissi-: well. Get a squeeze chroot and build your stuff in there? |
| 11:46.14 | crissi- | no. |
| 11:46.25 | arunkumar413 | Bushmills: yes |
| 11:46.36 | crissi- | i'll stuck on lenny until kde4 is ready for me |
| 11:46.40 | crissi- | then i'll switch |
| 11:47.01 | jelly | crissi-: squeeze won't get a newer release of KDE4 either, it's going to be at 4.4 |
| 11:47.06 | Bushmills | arunkumar413: updated your packages list? |
| 11:47.13 | crissi- | it was a bad idea to remove kde3 in squeeze |
| 11:47.23 | jelly | crissi-: it's not supported by anyone. |
| 11:47.28 | arunkumar413 | Bushmills: when i click on the icon on the top panel. The updates window opens but i'm not seeing any updates. |
| 11:47.36 | arunkumar413 | Bushmills: yes, |
| 11:47.52 | Bushmills | arunkumar413: what security update are you missing? |
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| 11:48.39 | crissi- | i still use some some other machines running kubuntu 10.10 with backports an 4.6.2, but on my workmachine kde3 is running on lenny and kde-devel user has its own kde4 in its home (compiled every 2-4 days) |
| 11:49.13 | Bushmills | (when i click on the icon on the top panel, a menu open. no updates or anything happens then) |
| 11:49.16 | crissi- | better use a good working thing without support instead a supported half working thing |
| 11:49.36 | arunkumar413 | Bushmills: dont know. i cant see any updates in the window |
| 11:49.58 | Bushmills | arunkumar413: you must be missing a specific update, or else you couldn't know that there were any |
| 11:50.44 | arunkumar413 | Bushmills: just the blank window |
| 11:51.18 | abrotman | that thing lies all the time |
| 11:51.20 | Bushmills | that sounds, essentially, good. i mean, no security updates mean there's everything allright. |
| 11:51.21 | arunkumar413 | Bushmills: its not responding also. i'm forcequitting it every time i launch |
| 11:51.42 | Bushmills | last i remember i got was for kvm-qemu. |
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| 11:52.10 | Bushmills | if you use that, and you know you haven't seen the update, then there's a reason to worry |
| 11:52.48 | Bushmills | other than that, of about 10 announced updates, maybe one concerns my system |
| 11:53.06 | Bushmills | the other nine won't show |
| 11:53.16 | arunkumar413 | Bushmills: if i hover over the icon on the top panel it displays "there are 108 updates available" |
| 11:53.31 | Bushmills | use aptitude. i have no idea where you're hovering above |
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| 11:55.08 | arunkumar413 | Bushmills: update icon on the top panel |
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| 11:55.16 | Bushmills | i don't have a top panel |
| 11:55.45 | Bushmills | and i have no "update" icon |
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| 11:57.29 | jelly | arunkumar413: you could also get rid of update-manager |
| 11:57.43 | jelly | it doesn't really work well in debian yet |
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| 11:59.46 | zealiod | Can this issue be clear up or not? |
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| 11:59.58 | CeR_abg | see u guys! |
| 12:00.05 | arunkumar413 | jelly: also i cannot check the boxes in the software sources |
| 12:00.07 | zealiod | Does the ServerName attribute of VirtualHost actually work? |
| 12:00.42 | Bushmills | yes. it's even needed |
| 12:00.48 | jelly | arunkumar413: I just said that interface doesn't work well in debian yet. Edit sources.list manually. Or try using synaptic. |
| 12:00.52 | zealiod | How can I exclude the IP and certail subdomains from bring served from apache.... |
| 12:01.00 | zealiod | Its messed up |
| 12:01.17 | Bushmills | zealiod: a2dissite ... |
| 12:01.20 | zealiod | I have not defined mail.example.com in the conf and yet boom... apache serves it |
| 12:01.36 | jelly | zealiod: make apache lnot listen on all IPs, but just one. |
| 12:01.36 | arunkumar413 | jelly: is there any command line way to install the updates |
| 12:01.37 | Bushmills | default site |
| 12:02.09 | Bushmills | wasn't apache defaulting to anything, other people would complain that they need to dive into the config before it does anything at all |
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| 12:02.31 | Bushmills | default site is that which say "it works" |
| 12:02.44 | zealiod | yes i can see that |
| 12:02.45 | jelly | arunkumar413: of course. Run aptitude update, then aptitude safe-upgrade |
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| 12:02.54 | zealiod | BUT I dont want to serve on the ip and all sub domains |
| 12:02.57 | zealiod | just one sub domain |
| 12:02.59 | Bushmills | that should create a sense of happiness in you |
| 12:03.09 | zealiod | perhaps in the first instance |
| 12:03.15 | zealiod | then in grow in to festering annoyance |
| 12:03.24 | Bushmills | zealiod: then *use virtual hosts* for the sites your don't want to default to .. default |
| 12:03.45 | Bushmills | default is the catch all, the site for everything left unhandled by virtual hosts |
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| 12:03.54 | zealiod | Its not that they are defaulting to default - they are showing content from DocumentRoot set in a Virtual host!!! |
| 12:04.02 | Bushmills | so if you have no virtual hosts, default catches all |
| 12:04.03 | Iridos | annoyance about "don't do what I tell you, do what I want!!!"? |
| 12:04.32 | zealiod | for example mail.exampe.com is showing the content of the virtualhost webmail.example.com |
| 12:04.34 | zealiod | why the hell? |
| 12:04.56 | jelly | zealiod: you just need to learn/figure out how VirtualHosts work, it's going to be easy after that |
| 12:05.09 | Iridos | because you didn't specify a serverRoot outside the virtual host? |
| 12:05.31 | Iridos | jelly, promise? |
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| 12:06.33 | jelly | zealiod: eg. the reason for that is likely, there is a default VirtualHost instance that gets used for all the IPs and hostnames that don't have an explicit VirtualHost binding |
| 12:06.38 | zealiod | ok... why should this let any other server apart from dummy-host.example.com load /specifc as default... |
| 12:06.39 | zealiod | <VirtualHost *:80> |
| 12:06.40 | zealiod | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:06.40 | zealiod | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:06.40 | zealiod | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:06.40 | zealiod | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:06.41 | Bushmills | zealiod: try apache2ctl -S and look whether the output gives you any clue why is happening what |
| 12:06.48 | Iridos | !next |
| 12:06.48 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 12:07.32 | zealiod | Apologies... pasted in wrong window |
| 12:07.51 | jelly | Iridos: no need to be condescending with someone that doesn't immediately grasp a nontrivial config like apache's |
| 12:08.13 | zealiod | OK, can someone just tell me, please |
| 12:08.20 | zealiod | Im not sure which to try |
| 12:08.25 | Bushmills | (14:06:41) Bushmills: zealiod: try apache2ctl -S and look whether the output gives you any clue why is happening what |
| 12:08.32 | zealiod | ok |
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| 12:10.12 | Iridos | jelly, I never con and I don't often descend either! |
| 12:11.18 | Iridos | jelly, and that was my point... it's not necessarily becoming very easy just because you know how it works in principle |
| 12:12.02 | jelly | Iridos: the context was vhosts |
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| 12:12.27 | Iridos | yes |
| 12:12.28 | jelly | not magical understanding of existance in whole |
| 12:12.35 | Iridos | ha |
| 12:12.52 | Iridos | I never claimed that, though |
| 12:13.26 | Iridos | ... although it would be nice to understand how everything works |
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| 12:13.53 | Iridos | eveything about everything... well, science is working on it |
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| 12:14.09 | ondrejk | hello, is possible to rename /dev/sda for example to /dev/cciss/c0d0 without changing back after restart? |
| 12:14.20 | jelly | Iridos: you have much faith in science |
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| 12:15.06 | jelly | ondrejk: uh, what would that accomplish? |
| 12:15.13 | Iridos | jelly, I didn't claim they would get there either (or if at all, anytime soon)... you seem to read things into what I say that were neaver implied |
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| 12:16.21 | Iridos | ondrejk, do you possibly want to have something like /dev/disk/by-label/* ? |
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| 12:16.45 | jelly | ondrejk: /dev/sd* and /dev/cciss/* are created by different drivers by default. The kind of device alias/rename can be accomplished with udev, but I'm not sure it's the best approach for whatever your REAL problem is |
| 12:17.34 | panosru | Hello everyone, I use debian 5 under vmware as a local web server, what I try to do is to mount /mnt/hgfs/Web to /var/www and put it into fstab so it will be automatically mounted on boot. Any help would be appreciated. |
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| 12:17.47 | ondrejk | well, i have very old debian sarge system which i need migrate to kvm, and there's problem because in kvm are discs marked as sda, sbd ... but this system wants them to be /dev/cciss/c0d0 and so on |
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| 12:18.14 | ondrejk | and because it's sarge, im very limited in getting things right |
| 12:18.23 | Bushmills | panosru: mount --bind can be used for directories |
| 12:19.10 | panosru | Bushmills so I have to run mount --bind /mnt/hgfs/Web /var/www and should work? :) |
| 12:19.12 | ondrejk | i know that debian sarge is too old, but it's heirship from my ancestor |
| 12:19.22 | Iridos | panosru, you didn't say why this is giving you trouble, though |
| 12:19.22 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:19.45 | Bushmills | "dest" mean mount point |
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| 12:20.33 | jelly | panosru: so migrate the data, then fix your fstab and boot loader |
| 12:20.38 | jelly | erm. |
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| 12:20.43 | jelly | ondrejk: so migrate the data, then fix your fstab and boot loader |
| 12:20.52 | ondrejk | jelly: that was first i tried to do |
| 12:20.53 | Bushmills | panosru: but - you can probalby simply change the DocumentRoot in your web server config to the alternative location |
| 12:21.09 | zealiod | Thanks all I got it sorted |
| 12:21.17 | ondrejk | jelly: on this server runs also sybase 12.5 which does not work on newer systems |
| 12:21.25 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.29 | jelly | ondrejk: we've migrated many a system from proliants to vmware, it's not too hard |
| 12:21.34 | alharaka | howdy everyone. can i suspend to ram if i install on a usb key i connect to laptops? http://superuser.com/questions/278946/usb-linux-install-w-luks-encryption-will-suspend-to-ram-work |
| 12:21.41 | panosru | Bushmills mount --bind worked like a charm! Thank so much! I could change the document root but it is simpler to mount because then I should modify more things |
| 12:21.42 | zealiod | Please forgive my outburst earlier... |
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| 12:22.32 | ondrejk | jelly: did you tried to migrate sarge to debian :) ? |
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| 12:22.50 | jelly | panosru: if you think you need to put that bind mount in fstab, the syntax is something like: /source/dir /dest/dir none rw,bind 0 2 |
| 12:22.51 | alharaka | oh, i forgot mention for squeeze, and luks encryption, duh. |
| 12:22.59 | jelly | ondrejk: sarge IS debian? |
| 12:23.07 | Iridos | alharaka, why should it not work? |
| 12:23.14 | ondrejk | jelly: yup |
| 12:23.36 | panosru | Iridos: the problem was simple, I didn't knew how to do it :) since mount /source /dest didn't worked for me :) |
| 12:23.37 | ondrejk | jelly: it's from 6.june 2005 |
| 12:23.38 | jelly | ondrejk: I don't understand this line: <ondrejk> jelly: did you tried to migrate sarge to debian :) ? |
| 12:23.44 | panosru | thanks jelly I will try it now |
| 12:23.55 | ondrejk | jelly: i'm sorry |
| 12:24.09 | ondrejk | it should be " did you tried to migrate sarge to squeeze" |
| 12:24.12 | alharaka | Iridos: so you have experience with it? I am waiting for some deps to install, and I will install the liquorix kernel with tuxonice in it. So thoughts? |
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| 12:24.32 | jelly | ondrejk: I've only done sarge->etch, etch->lenny on production systems so far |
| 12:24.45 | panosru | jelly what 0 2 stands for ? |
| 12:24.50 | tmag | Hi, I'm trying to resize a raid1 partition with mdadm (I am using a live cd for this), but when I do "mdadm -- grow /dev/md0 --size=max", the size is set to 500G, but both disks have a capacity of 1000G. Am I forgetting something here? |
| 12:25.26 | ondrejk | jelly: and is possible to do something like symbolic link for block device? |
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| 12:25.48 | jelly | panosru: man 5 fstab. That last number should probably be 0 |
| 12:25.57 | Iridos | alharaka, no, but TIAS... if it doesn't suspend you probably get an error, if it does, no point thinking about it now? And I don't see how your install media should matter for suspend-to-ram |
| 12:25.59 | panosru | Bushmills: /var/www isn't hardcoded but there are some other things that are hardcoded and I'm not in the mood to change all of them, so I tried symbolic link but it is not work for the things I wanted to work on :) Thanks for the mount --bind suggestion |
| 12:26.44 | nsadmin | ondrejk:Pudev makes symlinks... so yes |
| 12:26.48 | panosru | jelly: fstab didn't worked for me I put /mnt/hgfs/Web /var/www none rw,bind 0 2 but it wasn't mounted on boot |
| 12:26.57 | nsadmin | -P |
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| 12:27.06 | alharaka | Iridos: Well, NOT install media. I installed ON a USB. I am concerned that the way USB is handle on boot/power up from suspend, the drive will not exist when I press the I/O button until after the computer is ready. |
| 12:27.13 | panosru | jelly I will try with 0 0 instead of 0 2 :) |
| 12:27.18 | alharaka | Iridos: does that make sense? |
| 12:27.47 | jelly | panosru: did you put it after the line for the filesystem containing /mnt/hgfs/Web? |
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| 12:28.24 | nsadmin | panosru: what is /mnt/hgfs/Web? |
| 12:28.49 | nsadmin | wait I see |
| 12:29.09 | panosru | jelly there isn't any entry for it in fstab, nsadmin /mnt/hgfs/ is the mount point of shared folder of vmware |
| 12:29.12 | jelly | ondrejk: etch and newer releases use udev, which creates a number of stable device paths for filesystems under /dev/disk/. You might be able to use those instead. |
| 12:29.40 | jelly | panosru: well, you need to do that bind-mount _after_ /mnt/hgfs is mounted |
| 12:29.44 | panosru | nsadmin Web is the shared folder I have between my host (OSX) and guest (Debian 5 @ VMWare) |
| 12:30.13 | Iridos | alharaka, hm... actually usb doesn't lose power during suspend, IIRC. |
| 12:30.36 | alharaka | Iridos: Oh really? |
| 12:30.44 | alharaka | Iridos: nevermind then, haha. |
| 12:30.59 | Iridos | well, at least the little lamp on my wireless-stick stays on |
| 12:31.05 | panosru | jelly: yes I got you but since there sin't any entry for it in fstab then it is mounted after vmware-tools service are start so I have to find a way run a script that would mount after the vmware tools service start and before apache start |
| 12:31.19 | jelly | panosru: yeah. |
| 12:31.41 | panosru | jelly: could you point me some how on where to look ? |
| 12:31.42 | Iridos | alharaka, also see e.g. here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=49239 |
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| 12:32.06 | Iridos | alharaka, of course I don't know what the usb devices think that's happening, but they are not completely switched off |
| 12:32.29 | jelly | panosru: hm. /msg dpkg init script |
| 12:32.30 | panosru | jelly: I mean if there is anywhere a setting on the startup services sequence |
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| 12:33.17 | jelly | panosru: a very dirty way would be to hardcode the mount in apache's init script :> |
| 12:33.24 | alharaka | Iridos: and how bout hibernation? |
| 12:33.51 | Iridos | alharaka, dunno, but read this from 2006 http://lwn.net/Articles/198333/ |
| 12:34.05 | jelly | panosru: but I'd advise to change apache configuration and set DocumentRoot to the correct /mnt/hgfs/Web path instead |
| 12:34.07 | alharaka | Iridos: I only tried suspend last night quickly, and it gave an error saying unable to suspend device or something; it is just out of curiosity at this point. |
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| 12:34.25 | panosru | jelly: I will try to do it in the good way but if I find myself in very difficult position I will hard code it :P |
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| 12:34.47 | jelly | panosru: if you just change apache config, there's no need to play with bind mounts at all |
| 12:35.33 | jelly | panosru: one possible hack is to delete current /var/www completely and put in a symlink to /mnt/hgfs/Web instead |
| 12:35.40 | alharaka | Iridos: very cool doc; thanks. |
| 12:35.56 | panosru | jelly: yes changing the document root would be a possibility but as I said it is a local web server which I used to run with parallels until parallels had a problem and I switched to vmware, so as a result I already have lot of /var/www hard coded in lot of parts and I don't want to search for them since it is local web server and it's purpose is for testing |
| 12:36.01 | Iridos | alharaka, the persist.txt relevant for the squeeze kernel is in linux-doc-2.6.32 |
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| 12:37.23 | panosru | jelly: so far I work with symbolic link but some things are not working because even if the symbolic link is set to /var/www they break because they see /mnt/hgfs/Web instead of /var/www so I prefer to mount it and not change the parts of code :P |
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| 12:41.23 | panosru | jelly: under /etc/init.d/ is there any config that put a priority on the services that should boot so I could alter it in order to add a simple script to boot before apache? |
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| 12:44.11 | jelly | panosru: with sysvinit, look at the numbered symlinks in /etc/rc2.d/S* |
| 12:44.43 | jelly | panosru: and read the docs dpkg told you to read |
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| 12:45.46 | jelly | panosru: but srsly, it's simpler to change DocumentRoot than to mess with all of that |
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| 12:46.34 | panosru | jelly: under rc2.d/ there is S91apache2 so if I create a S90myscript will load before apache? (I now it sounds simpler to change the document root but if I do that I will have to modify lots of other scripts too) |
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| 12:47.39 | jelly | panosru: if you create a custom /etc/init.d/myscript and put a symlink like that or use update-rc.d to put it there, yes |
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| 12:48.24 | panosru | ok I will try it now :) thanks a billion jelly for your help |
| 12:48.31 | jelly | I accept paypal! <g> |
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| 12:50.37 | DammitJim | I billion sounds like a lot |
| 12:51.15 | jelly | depends on the exchange rates for thanks to USD |
| 12:51.28 | jelly | or better some real currency |
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| 12:53.04 | panosru | lol |
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| 12:53.40 | panosru | specially where I come from things are a bit hard lately with all those corrupted politicians thad literally f**ed up the country :P |
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| 12:54.23 | panosru | jelly, could you give me an example on update-rc.d? I saw some examples here: http://www.examplenow.com/update-rc.d/ but I'm a bit confused on what should I use |
| 12:54.51 | panosru | for example, this could work?: update-rc.d foobar start 90 S |
| 12:55.00 | panosru | where foobar is the script I made |
| 12:55.38 | jelly | panosru: don't remember, I always read the manual for that thing |
| 12:55.49 | geroldr | Hi, I am trying to reinstall grub2 after a failed attempt in 2009 left me without grub or grub2 installed according to aptitude and synaptic. When I try to run apt-get install grub-pc and grub-common, I get the following: |
| 12:55.49 | geroldr | Suggested packages: |
| 12:55.49 | geroldr | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:55.49 | geroldr | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 12:55.49 | geroldr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:55.52 | panosru | ok I will try it :D :P |
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| 12:57.01 | jelly | panosru: update-rc.d [-n] <basename> defaults [NN | SS KK] ... so probably something like update-rc.d foobar defaults 90 21 |
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| 12:57.24 | panosru | 21 stands for what? |
| 12:57.52 | nsadmin | man update-rc.d |
| 12:57.53 | jelly | panosru: the kill order, in those runlevels where you need to umount |
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| 12:58.27 | jelly | panosru: ls -l /etc/rc?.d/???apache --> you'll want to umount it after apache is stopped |
| 12:58.28 | nsadmin | and it;s probably update-rc.d (somecommand) foobar defaults xx yy |
| 12:58.42 | panosru | I got that the script I made but it says that I miss LSB information, I see here http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts so I guess I have to put that block of content on top of the script right? |
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| 12:59.11 | jelly | panosru: ignore that for now, but you'll have to set up the lsb dependencies for squeeze |
| 12:59.27 | panosru | I'm on lenny |
| 12:59.33 | bjacob | hi, what is the simple way to use one package from sid (gcc-4.5) on a debian stable system? |
| 12:59.53 | jelly | bjacob: short answer: you can't. set up a sid chroot. |
| 13:00.15 | bjacob | jelly: really? then i will build gcc myself |
| 13:00.26 | jelly | bjacob: do that. |
| 13:00.33 | nsadmin | bjacob, mixing like that leads to breakage |
| 13:00.50 | jelly | bjacob: just use a separate prefix to configure/install it |
| 13:00.56 | bjacob | sure |
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| 13:03.31 | panosru | jelly: in rc2.d for example, what is the difference between K99vmware-tools and S03vmware-tools? S is start and K is kill? |
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| 13:03.56 | jelly | panosru: yes. read the sysvinit docs. |
| 13:04.06 | geroldr | Hello debhelper, I have created the link of the text as http://paste.debian.net/115969 |
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| 13:04.41 | jelly | panosru: scripts called with S* symlink are run with an "start" parameter ($1), K* get a "stop" |
| 13:05.01 | nsadmin | geroldr, so, you just got here, and so it's a good chance that no one knows what you want. |
| 13:05.04 | nsadmin | so |
| 13:05.07 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 13:05.07 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:05.43 | geroldr | Sorry, I am trying to reinstall grub2 on my machine that has lvm2 |
| 13:06.27 | nsadmin | ok, and where are you with it now? can you boot the system in some way? |
| 13:06.47 | geroldr | but I am getting errors as the install was interrupted, leaving no grub executables installed. I can boot as the bootloader seems to still be working... |
| 13:07.12 | geroldr | I cannot install a new kernel or otherwise make any changes |
| 13:07.18 | nsadmin | what has you interested in reinstalling then? |
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| 13:07.45 | geroldr | I need to have grub installed in order to install a new kernel |
| 13:08.28 | geroldr | The last update bumped xserver, and now my nvidia graphics card is working as vesa, after some troubles figuring it out... |
| 13:08.40 | panosru | nsadmin, jelly and Bushmills thanks a lot for your great support, everything work brilliant now :) |
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| 13:08.50 | fairway321 | hi all |
| 13:08.52 | panosru | have a nice day :) |
| 13:09.03 | nsadmin | what I'm not understanding yet, is since your system does boot, what is the problem? |
| 13:09.12 | fairway321 | debian squeezes performs well on the ASRock ION 3D? |
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| 13:09.38 | nsadmin | fairway321, when you tried it, what happened? |
| 13:09.51 | geroldr | nsadmin, the problem is that without any executables for grub or grub2, the new kernel cannot be installed. |
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| 13:10.20 | nsadmin | ok, how do you know "the kernel cannot be installed"> |
| 13:10.21 | nsadmin | ? |
| 13:10.22 | geroldr | I need to install the new kernel to get proper debian nvidia graphic card support |
| 13:10.25 | gar0t0 | hello everyone, anyone knows a etch mirror ? |
| 13:10.46 | nsadmin | archive.debian.org |
| 13:10.53 | gar0t0 | tks |
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| 13:10.59 | nsadmin | you might want to upgrade |
| 13:11.31 | fairway321 | nsadmin: I haven tried it yet. Im considering buying an ASRock ION 3D |
| 13:11.35 | fairway321 | havent |
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| 13:11.48 | fairway321 | to run Debian and a small webserver for private usage |
| 13:11.50 | Glutsch | lo |
| 13:12.13 | fairway321 | would it be a good Box for debian Squeeze? |
| 13:13.36 | geroldr | nsadmin, I get the following message Running update-grub. |
| 13:13.36 | geroldr | User postinst hook script [update-grub] failed to execute: No such file or directory |
| 13:13.48 | nsadmin | not sure. one thing you might want to do is build up a system with parts you select based on having strong support from versions of the kernel shipped w/ devbian |
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| 13:14.25 | nsadmin | geroldr: so, look for the package in /var/cache/apt/archives and use dpkg to install it |
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| 13:16.33 | nsadmin | you should find a file grub2_*.deb or grub-pc_*.deb |
| 13:16.40 | geroldr | nsadmin, no package with *grub* is showing in /var/cache/apt/archives :-( |
| 13:17.14 | nsadmin | ok, so then it came from the install cd as opposed to being downloaded |
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| 13:17.44 | nsadmin | try aptitude install grub-pc |
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| 13:19.00 | nsadmin | you might want to review the reason why the executables got removed |
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| 13:20.12 | wieldy_BIOS | guys, do you know free web-interface for ftp-server? Include login, upload... |
| 13:20.36 | geroldr | nsadmin, I just tried to run aptitude with the following results http://paste.debian.net/115971 |
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| 13:21.27 | nsadmin | you have more going on than just grub and the kernel |
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| 13:21.59 | nsadmin | I've never seen the message "want to resolve deps, but resolver not made" |
| 13:22.40 | geroldr | nsadmin, the guile problem can be safely ignored for time being, my main concern is lvm2 to be removed would leave me with a brick |
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| 13:23.37 | nsadmin | how did you get to this point? |
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| 13:24.43 | foetus | i would recommend not to set 'large_file' attribute in /etc/mke2fs.conf as default. |
| 13:24.56 | Iridos | heh, never seen that either |
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| 13:25.13 | abrotman | geroldr: can you put your sources.list in a pastebin ? |
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| 13:25.34 | geroldr | nsadmin, when my machine hung, I had to reboot. I lost the xwindows support, as the first new kernel (32) which has the new nvidia support was not yet installed with grub. In the meantime, the latest kernel (38) has come along, so has been added to the queue of kernels to be installed... |
| 13:26.11 | nsadmin | how does "the latest kernel" have anything to do with this? |
| 13:26.33 | nsadmin | also respond to abrotman |
| 13:26.57 | abrotman | whole thing smells of a dist-upgrade that never happened |
| 13:27.17 | nsadmin | or an unintended dist-upgrade |
| 13:27.24 | geroldr | nsadmin, the latest kernel can be safely ignored |
| 13:27.37 | nsadmin | which (unintendedly) only partially happened |
| 13:28.01 | geroldr | nsadmin it was definitely a partial dist-upgrade |
| 13:28.08 | firebird_ | is someone know how to configure correctly an optical spdif output to have many mixed sounds at time ? |
| 13:28.16 | foetus | i also had big problems by using 'half_md4' as default algorithm and changed it to 'hash_alg = tea'. |
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| 13:29.02 | nsadmin | geroldr, so, we're trying to gather information. things you think are not relevent might in fact be relevent, so it would be a good thing to trust that the information is useful |
| 13:29.27 | geroldr | nsadmin, I am with you :) |
| 13:29.43 | nsadmin | so... how does "latest kernel" figure in here? |
| 13:29.51 | abrotman | still waits for the sources.list |
| 13:29.59 | nsadmin | also remember to pastebin the sources.list |
| 13:31.00 | geroldr | The latest kernel came in after trying to run aptitude safe-upgrade, at least I think... |
| 13:31.03 | foetus | last but not least i have set inode_size from 256 to 128. but this is optional. |
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| 13:36.52 | uhuhuh | Hello, I use gdebi to install my virtualbox, under squeeze. However, after I input the password, it always says password is incorrect. Why? How to solve it? Thanks |
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| 13:37.26 | wqapol | There are "-dbg" packages for several packages, and the description tell,it contains debugging symbols? What are they and ho are they used? |
| 13:37.45 | abrotman | geroldr: where are your sources.list ? |
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| 13:38.18 | geroldr | abrotman, I will pastebin them in a moment... |
| 13:38.30 | uhuhuh | Hello, I use gdebi to install my virtualbox, under squeeze. However, after I input the password, it always says password is incorrect. Why? How to solve it? Thanks |
| 13:38.40 | abrotman | wqapol: i'm sure google could help you with this .. |
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| 13:38.50 | abrotman | uhuhuh: did you check in the /usr/share/doc/vbox ? |
| 13:39.59 | wqapol | abrotman: Search query please? |
| 13:40.27 | uhuhuh | abrotman: No, but I'm sure it something wrong with debian, not vbox. No matter what the deb package is, gdebi always says my password is incorrect. |
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| 13:41.14 | abrotman | uhuhuh: oh, misunderstood .. you are probably missing the gksudo or something |
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| 13:41.37 | uhuhuh | Ok, let me try gksudo. Thanks |
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| 13:42.04 | abrotman | wqapol: http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=debugging+symbols+gdb&aq=1&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=debugging+symbols .. really not that hard |
| 13:42.04 | nsadmin | wqapol most of them are libs that have debugging symbols used in gdb (and possibly other debuggers) to locate the source line in the lib |
| 13:42.24 | xDD | I'm trying to update my debian sid VM but I get tons of conflicts when I try a full-upgrade, any idea? http://pastie.org/private/wwbzsdo3ew6vvmelh5cxw |
| 13:42.28 | nsadmin | in order for that to be effective, the lib source must somehow be associated |
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| 13:42.35 | bahamas | hello. how can i check what mail server i have working on my debian server and what users are configured? |
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| 13:43.10 | zulax | what architecture debian should i download for x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 13:43.10 | geroldr | abrotman, my sources.list is as follows: http://paste.debian.net/115975 |
| 13:43.23 | uhuhuh | abrotman: No, it does not work. I have installed gksu and gksu-polkit. But it still say my password is incorrect. |
| 13:44.07 | foetus | is reading inode definition at linfo.org.. |
| 13:44.10 | zulax | amd64? it is intel i5 64 bits |
| 13:44.15 | Iridos | geroldr, you're mixing stable with unstable... |
| 13:44.23 | uhuhuh | Say, it cannot grant me with administrative rights, because my password is wrong. |
| 13:45.32 | foetus | nice nick^^ |
| 13:45.52 | geroldr | Iridos, should I try for just the stable? That would be a downgrade (never tried that before), or best to stick with the unstable as already have a bunch of stuff from unstable installed ? |
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| 13:47.25 | Iridos | geroldr, that depends on how many packages you already have from unstable... downgrades are not generally supported by apt, because there is no sane way to downgrade configurations |
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| 13:48.00 | Iridos | geroldr, if you can still install anything at all, install apt-show-versions and check how much you have from stable and how much from unstable |
| 13:48.02 | geroldr | Iridos, OK, I will stick with unstable then :) |
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| 13:50.26 | Iridos | not a good idea either, as unstable is made for breaking... and that just what it'll do... ⪠⬠on of these days it's gonna break all over you âªâ© ⬠|
| 13:50.52 | geroldr | Iridos, would you recommend commenting out the security updates from squeeze? Are these already showing up in unstable ? |
| 13:51.19 | Iridos | I recommend you first check how much mixing happened and decide if you can go back to stable |
| 13:51.25 | Iridos | !tell gernot -about unstable |
| 13:51.44 | nsadmin | that would be a very old tune |
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| 13:52.06 | Iridos | nsadmin, I just considered making a factoid from that, to be true :) |
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| 13:52.14 | jelly | zulax: yes, amd64 |
| 13:52.54 | zulax | jelly, shold i be downlading the DVD1 ? |
| 13:52.57 | zulax | there is a lot of them |
| 13:53.21 | geroldr | Iridos, I think I am best off to go with unstable at this point. Too many files have already moved to a newer version... |
| 13:53.22 | nsadmin | "one of these days these poots are gonna stink all over you..." |
| 13:53.31 | jelly | zulax: do you have wired ethernet and an internet connection? just use the netinst |
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| 13:54.42 | frikinz | uhuhuh: yeah I have the same problem with gksu and friends. It's broken since long time on my machine.. |
| 13:54.55 | zulax | ok, thanks |
| 13:55.32 | zulax | i am disappointed how ubuntu keeps changing stuffs and yet breaking them, so i think its time i switeched to debian |
| 13:56.05 | Iridos | to learn new and more interesting ways how stuff can break? |
| 13:56.54 | zulax | possibly, |
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| 13:57.10 | xDD | Any idea how I can upgrade without breaking stuff? There seems to be some conflicts due to perl and a few other stuffs :/ http://pastie.org/private/wwbzsdo3ew6vvmelh5cxw |
| 13:57.15 | zulax | the only scariest thing is if my wireless doesnt work out of the box |
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| 13:58.19 | Iridos | well... reading the release notes before the upgrade usually helps... you didn't really say from where to were you're upgrading |
| 13:58.24 | dvs | zulax: What wireless chipset do you have? |
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| 13:58.39 | ZykoticK9 | zulax, FYI, you can only use open or WEP networks with the netinstall |
| 13:58.52 | jelly | zulax: that's very possible, why I asked if you had a wired connection |
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| 13:59.46 | nsadmin | that would be my question too: do you have a wired connection (and a cable)? |
| 14:00.02 | xDD | Iridos: I'm trying to update my debian sid VM, no idea when it actually started getting the conflicts |
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| 14:00.25 | xDD | I've just been doing only safe-upgrades for a while |
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| 14:00.29 | Iridos | oh sid... |
| 14:00.49 | Iridos | dpkg, sid-song |
| 14:00.49 | dpkg | Iridos: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 14:00.55 | Iridos | dpkg, sid song |
| 14:00.55 | dpkg | sings: "this sid is made for breaking... and that just what it'll do... one of these days this sid is gonna break all over you!! |
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| 14:01.02 | Iridos | (see, already came handy) |
| 14:01.08 | dvs | heh |
| 14:01.25 | xDD | I know but I don't really care if it breaks, was just wondering if those conflicts are normal |
| 14:01.48 | Iridos | define "normal" |
| 14:01.48 | nsadmin | you have to put that chromatic descending bass line that follows the chorus |
| 14:02.14 | Iridos | nsadmin, dpkg refuses to learn illegal characters like âªâ© ⬠|
| 14:02.39 | nsadmin | xDD: in sid the only normal thing is being unstable |
| 14:02.40 | Iridos | he called illegal! I would say it's in a grey-zone at most |
| 14:03.10 | xDD | Like how comes it lists pidgin as conflicting because a new version of perl would be installed, since on the package website http://packages.debian.org/sid/pidgin it looks like it should work with the newest version of perl |
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| 14:03.36 | Iridos | xDD, also, it doesn't really seem to remove a lot of drastic stuff... you should be used to that on sid... do the upgrade and then try to install the 3-4 software packages you want to keep? |
| 14:04.03 | xDD | hmm yeah I'll try that now |
| 14:04.19 | xDD | it used to list a lot more conflicts, including all the gnome base stuff a while ago when I tried updating |
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| 14:04.58 | Iridos | xDD, it actually says so... it depends on perlapi-5.10.1 which is a virtual package ... and probably you have nothing installed that provides it |
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| 14:06.23 | xDD | Well that's weird, it also lists perl-base with >= 5.10 in some places.. |
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| 14:06.47 | xDD | shouldn't a newer version of perl also provide all of the old perl's APIs? |
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| 14:09.36 | Iridos | xDD, it demands exactly version 5.10.0, perl-base in sid provides perlapi-5.12.3 |
| 14:09.58 | xDD | So I can't get pidgin in sid unless I use the old perl or I compile my own pidgin? |
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| 14:10.32 | xDD | Why does perl even break APIs so often, doesn't that defeat the point of having an API in the first place? |
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| 14:12.17 | abrotman | xDD: it's not like that's a minor-minor version change |
| 14:12.37 | nkuttler | piding works just fine for me on sid. maybe you should take care when you upgrade.. |
| 14:12.51 | xDD | nkuttler: Well it works with the old perl |
| 14:13.03 | nkuttler | so keep old perl installed |
| 14:13.18 | xDD | But then I can't update some other stuff |
| 14:13.47 | xDD | Well I'm just gonna try building from source until the package gets updated |
| 14:13.58 | themill | xDD: by "so often" you mean every few years it breaks ABI (not necessarily API). And this is only for C-compiled modules. |
| 14:14.03 | defa | shit - again - reading the manuals before asking a question here to not make an ass of myself and just finding the solution in the middle of the docs... - thanks anyway :) |
| 14:14.20 | babilen | w |
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| 14:16.16 | xDD | themill: Well is it not possible for them to still provide the old ABI entry points for a phasing period until most packages link to the new ABI? |
| 14:16.33 | themill | xDD: what's the point? sid is there to be broken in precisely this way. |
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| 14:17.30 | xDD | themill: yeah but stable is like 2 years old |
| 14:17.34 | babilen | xDD: Just don't upgrade the perl package(s) until the transition is complete. Works fine here. See http://release.debian.org/transitions/html/perl.html for details. |
| 14:17.47 | themill | xDD: err no it's not. it's 3 months old. |
| 14:18.18 | xDD | themill: I mean the age of the packages in stable |
| 14:18.24 | themill | xDD: plus there is "testing", which unstable feeds into *after* these transitions have taken place so they all hit in a coordinated manner |
| 14:18.54 | Iridos | he's saying you got what you bargined for |
| 14:19.09 | babilen | (or broke yourself) |
| 14:19.28 | themill | xDD: if you want to run sid, that's your problem. Just expect to be treated like a troll for ranting about old packages or told that it's all working exactly as planned when things break in sid. |
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| 14:19.50 | xDD | It's not broken, but I have to compile against the new ABIs myself |
| 14:19.52 | frikinz | pidgin is broken, it depends on non existent perlapi 5.10.1 |
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| 14:20.21 | wolfric | Is there anyway to check when you ssh into something if the key found matches any of the ones stored? |
| 14:20.39 | foetus | what brings the setting 'large_file' and 'resize_inode' to the ext3 filesystem? |
| 14:21.13 | abrotman | frikinz: in unstable? |
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| 14:23.36 | Iridos | perlapi-5.10.1 is a virtual package and provided by perl-base in stable and testing |
| 14:23.59 | Iridos | abrotman, obviously... it's the same thing as 5 minutes ago |
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| 14:24.09 | abrotman | just making sure! |
| 14:24.11 | simonlnu | ffs, put perl on hold and be done with it |
| 14:24.14 | simonlnu | !hold |
| 14:24.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Note that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager and Synaptic), but aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. |
| 14:24.18 | DotHack | hello!! |
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| 14:24.43 | DotHack | im trying to use vgimportclone to access a hardware snapshot of an lvm pv |
| 14:24.44 | simonlnu | xDD: ^^^ |
| 14:25.06 | DotHack | but the command chhanges the vg name but not the PV uuid |
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| 14:25.42 | g_ | hi, i've just installed the live image of squeeze, but how do i update online, rather than the cd? |
| 14:26.06 | geroldr | Iridos, nsadmin, I finally got my grub-legacy installed, the kernels have installed using the following: http://paste.debian.net/115976 |
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| 14:27.21 | geroldr | The problem was with the grub-common, needed to bump the version, and the reinstall of lvm2 was essential. |
| 14:28.09 | geroldr | Thanks for your assistance :) I will have to solve the guile 1.8 problem later. |
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| 14:28.45 | geroldr | Will now try to reboot and see if it worked as I expected... wish me luck:) |
| 14:28.51 | geroldr | bye for noew |
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| 14:29.08 | jkbll1 | hi! |
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| 14:29.16 | frooh | hey guys, I just downloaded firefox and am trying to run it and it's saying No protocol specified, cannot open display: :0, when I do firefox --display=:0 |
| 14:29.19 | frooh | any ideas? |
| 14:29.38 | dkr | frooh: don't specify displa=:0 |
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| 14:29.54 | frooh | dkr: then it says Error: no display specified :-) |
| 14:29.59 | jkbll1 | any apparmor champ around in here? :) |
| 14:30.10 | frooh | (note, setting the env var DISPLAY does the same thing as the arg) |
| 14:30.37 | scoobertron | After my last dist-upgrade (on wheezy), the cursor in urxvt seems to appear and disappear randomly. has anyone else had this? |
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| 14:30.55 | jkbll1 | "network (create,accept,bind,listen) inet tcp" isn't really doing what it should. would be great if someone could help :( |
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| 14:31.18 | simonlnu | frooh: don't run it as root? |
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| 14:31.44 | frooh | simonlnu: what? I'm not root |
| 14:31.48 | frooh | why would I be root? |
| 14:31.50 | g_ | why when i do an apt-get update does it go searching at searchportal.information.com ? |
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| 14:32.16 | simonlnu | frooh: too many people try to do dumb things, and we often see this here |
| 14:32.47 | frooh | simonlnu: heh, well, I've used linux professionally for years now, I'm just struggling with a switch from ubuntu to debian (testing) |
| 14:33.19 | g_ | frooh: i'm doing exactly the same ;) |
| 14:33.23 | g_ | got fed up of ubuntu now |
| 14:33.25 | jkbll1 | anyone? |
| 14:33.37 | jkbll1 | "network (create,accept,bind,listen) inet tcp" isn't really doing what it should. would be great if someone could help :( |
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| 14:34.25 | ZykoticK9 | frooh, why not use Iceweasel? |
| 14:34.28 | ansgar | !tell jkbll1 about ask |
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| 14:34.57 | frooh | g_: well, I'd like to use the newer packages that debian offers, but the issues I've had with debian so far are: it made unbootable filesystems on install (LVM), I must unplug and replug my kb and mouse every time X restarts, sound drivers weren't detected, restarting the machine involves me pressing physical buttons, installing a kernel from aptitude doesn't put it in the grub list automatically |
| 14:34.59 | jkbll1 | ansgar, thank you. apparmor2.6.1 |
| 14:35.00 | dkr | frooh: are you trying to run it remotely? I can't imagine why you need to specify display |
| 14:35.13 | frooh | dkr: nope, I'm right here on the machine |
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| 14:35.26 | simonlnu | frooh: well, is DISPLAY set? have a valid MIT cookie? tried from a term? |
| 14:35.36 | frooh | dkr: lemme try it from not screen, that could be an issue |
| 14:35.37 | g_ | #wtf? gcc isn't installed? |
| 14:35.48 | simonlnu | frooh: ah, you'll need to fix that |
| 14:35.49 | frooh | ZykoticK9: I like to have vanilla firefox is all |
| 14:36.07 | simonlnu | frooh: liekly is that the screen term doesn't have the right env vars |
| 14:36.12 | simonlnu | likely* |
| 14:36.16 | g_ | i'd thought that'd be on the live cd |
| 14:36.21 | frooh | simonlnu: well, I tried just setting the env var and it didn't work |
| 14:36.27 | simonlnu | has a script to fix that auto |
| 14:36.29 | abrotman | g_: install build-essential ? |
| 14:36.29 | frooh | simonlnu: but that *was* the issue |
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| 14:36.37 | frooh | simonlnu: link to script? :-) |
| 14:36.56 | simonlnu | it's rather nasty though, since to use it you have to eval it |
| 14:37.08 | ansgar | jkbll1: I don't know anything about apparmor, but it might be that Debian's kernel is still missing some patches for it to work. |
| 14:37.20 | frooh | simonlnu: well, I could at least look at it to see what needs to be done |
| 14:37.22 | dkr | frooh: I like to use xeyes to test my display settings. |
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| 14:37.43 | jkbll1 | ansgar, interesting. |
| 14:37.58 | jkbll1 | ansgar, i should probably get upstream tarball |
| 14:38.17 | simonlnu | frooh: needs fixing, i hardcoded some stuff |
| 14:38.18 | jkbll1 | thanks |
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| 14:38.31 | simonlnu | frooh: http://paste.debian.net/115980/ |
| 14:38.45 | geroldr | Hi, back just to say thanks. I successfully rebooted after fixing my interrupted grub2 installation - back to grub-legacy for the time being. |
| 14:38.57 | frooh | simonlnu: so why is this an issue in debian and not ubuntu? |
| 14:39.05 | frooh | simonlnu: can I loosen security and have it just work? |
| 14:39.31 | jkbll1 | frooh, what are you doing man |
| 14:39.34 | jkbll1 | ? |
| 14:39.37 | g_ | abrotman: good call, i'll do that now actually |
| 14:39.43 | frooh | jkbll1: running firefox from screen? |
| 14:39.50 | simonlnu | frooh: in screen? i doubt ubuntu fixed screen issues |
| 14:39.53 | dkr | frooh: if you want things to just work you should be using the software officially packaged with the distro... ;) |
| 14:39.58 | jkbll1 | frooh, heh |
| 14:39.59 | frooh | simonlnu: it's always worked for me |
| 14:40.16 | frooh | dkr: here, I'll try xeyes and see if that works :-) |
| 14:40.24 | simonlnu | they've patched things so they're more stable |
| 14:40.34 | jkbll1 | dkr, i'll take that ;) as humour |
| 14:40.35 | frooh | dkr: there we go, that doesn't work either :-P |
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| 14:40.43 | dkr | ... and not do weird things like use screen on your local machine :p |
| 14:40.45 | geroldr | abrotman, the trick was to use the latest grub-common, as well as reinstall latest lvm2, then it just worked... |
| 14:40.47 | jkbll1 | dkr, my apparmor doesn't understand their documentation |
| 14:40.49 | frooh | dkr: !!! |
| 14:40.51 | jkbll1 | 2.6.1 |
| 14:41.22 | frooh | if using screen on my local machine is weird, is using ssh weird? or a terminal at all? |
| 14:41.28 | geroldr | What is the procedure now to migrate back to grub2 ? Anyone done this successfully with lvm2 ? |
| 14:41.45 | DotHack | no one issues with vgimportclone? |
| 14:41.54 | dkr | frooh: yes, ssh-ing to localhost is a bit silly. :) |
| 14:42.01 | abrotman | geroldr: you should really keep up to date with your full-upgrades if you're goign to run unstable (though things do break) |
| 14:42.03 | jkbll1 | lol |
| 14:42.09 | nick_h | in /etc/fstab , if you don't specify the "defaults" option, are those default options still used? |
| 14:42.12 | frooh | dkr: I'm not using ssh locally, but I think using screen isn't any kind of weird |
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| 14:42.32 | nick_h | i asked because i noticed that my root partition is not mounted with the "defaults" option, nor "exec", "dev", "suid", etc |
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| 14:44.22 | g_ | what do i need to dl to get the header files for the kernel? |
| 14:44.27 | stew | nick_h: what is in the options column then? |
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| 14:44.48 | abrotman | g_: linux-header package |
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| 14:45.24 | dkr | frooh: isn't the whole point of screen to save your session if your remote connection is terminated so you can reconnect? how can you lose a connection to your local system? oh, hrm, maybe if you restart X you'd lose xterms |
| 14:45.42 | g_ | abrotman: thanks, and how do i get the current version of the kernel? |
| 14:45.45 | nick_h | stew: /dev/xvda on / type ext3 (rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro) |
| 14:45.56 | frooh | dkr: no that's only part of the reason |
| 14:46.05 | abrotman | g_: uname -r |
| 14:46.09 | frooh | dkr: it also lets me have multiple sessions in a single window |
| 14:46.10 | stew | nick_h: so its mounted with rw and noatime, the rest of the options would be the default (exec instead of noexec, suid instead of nosuid, etc) |
| 14:46.29 | frooh | dkr: and I can connect to it from home without starting a new session |
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| 14:46.36 | lolcat | dkr: You can accidentaly close the window |
| 14:46.38 | frooh | dkr: and it has capabilities to watch windows for bells |
| 14:46.40 | nick_h | stew: thanks |
| 14:46.47 | frooh | dkr: or watch a window for silence |
| 14:47.06 | lolcat | Windows for bells? |
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| 14:47.14 | frooh | dkr: there are a huge amount of reasons to use screen, and if you think using it locally is weird, you should check out all the features it offers :-) |
| 14:47.30 | frooh | lolcat: yeah, like, if you guys say my name, irssi will print a bell character |
| 14:47.30 | dkr | that's what caught my eye watching windows for bells. I will look into that. |
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| 14:47.46 | lolcat | dkr: You can have a screen, inside a screen, inside a screen. And then be like Inception |
| 14:47.52 | frooh | lolcat: so then screen can tell me, and put a character next to the title of that window |
| 14:48.15 | foetus | has forgotten the docu from tldp.org..and found something useful to the ext3 filesystem.. |
| 14:48.25 | frooh | so when someone msg's me, it says: (0!$IRSSI), the ! meaning someone msgd me |
| 14:48.45 | zealiod | can i get help with postfix in here? |
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| 14:48.52 | abrotman | zealiod: you can try, there's also #postfix |
| 14:48.54 | stew | nick_h: if you look at man mount, under "defaults" you'll see all the default options, which *could* be overwritten by the filesystem itself. if the tune2fs can be used to either view or change what the default options are for a ext2/3/4 filesytem |
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| 14:49.16 | lolcat | frooh: Oo |
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| 14:49.56 | zealiod | I have a basic postfix setup using mysql, etc... I can get my IMAP mail, but can not send mail, I'm getting this error: warning: SASL authentication member:failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: No such file or directory |
| 14:50.52 | nick_h | stew: makes sense. thanks, mate. |
| 14:51.05 | RainbowW | is there a howto somewhere on migrating from qmail to !qmail? exim or postfix are fine. the issue is, i make extensive use of the qmail address-extension@domain.com addressing scheme, and can not throw this away (and opening the catch-all is not an option), so i need to preserve this functionality. |
| 14:51.17 | zealiod | this was workig this morning, I've been racking my brain... but can not think what has changed |
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| 14:54.54 | zealiod | http://www.nomorepasting.com/getpaste.php?pasteid=36370 |
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| 15:07.53 | abrotman | RainbowW: you may have more luck asking #exim or #postfix |
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| 15:13.33 | DotHack | i just had a chat with someone from #lvm due to an issue with vgimportclone. seems it is related to the version of mawk that squeeze is shipping with |
| 15:13.45 | DotHack | installing gawk fixes the problem |
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| 15:16.12 | DammitJim | this is off topic, but can someone suggest an object oriented programming language to develop a program for linux? |
| 15:16.24 | casts | python |
| 15:16.28 | DammitJim | I'm trying to fight the .NET group to make this versatile |
| 15:16.34 | RainbowW | depends on what you want it to do. |
| 15:16.37 | DammitJim | thank you, casts ... I'm actually on that site |
| 15:16.55 | DammitJim | it needs to be able to talk to different interfaces that the other teams are going to work on |
| 15:17.02 | DammitJim | should I be asking in another channel? |
| 15:17.09 | casts | one can run python code in java and .net envirnoments, too, though with certain limitations |
| 15:17.29 | DammitJim | I've heard that with python, I can even make ice cream :) |
| 15:18.17 | Azrael_- | c# can also be run under linux using mono |
| 15:18.33 | DammitJim | c# with mono... got it |
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| 15:19.11 | jham | DammitJim: don't ever |
| 15:19.29 | DammitJim | don't ever make ice cream with python? |
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| 15:19.49 | jham | don't ever use c# with mono for linux applications |
| 15:19.54 | DotHack | why isnt mawk updated? |
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| 15:21.13 | jham | DammitJim: your question about which language to use can't be answered if you won't tell what you're actualle trying to do, btw :) |
| 15:21.58 | DammitJim | oh ok... so, my team is developing the decision engine for commodities |
| 15:22.37 | DammitJim | there is another team that will develop the interfaces for database communications and services for the public, but that team is using C# in .NET I believe with SQL server and GIS |
| 15:23.07 | DammitJim | I'm just trying to keep the engine development and platform to be so Windows Dependent |
| 15:23.12 | DammitJim | does that help? |
| 15:23.34 | jelly | DotHack: that is a good question. Perhaps reading up on and helping with any issues about http://bugs.debian.org/554167 would help |
| 15:24.34 | jelly | and even that bug report hasn't has an update in more than a year |
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| 15:25.43 | jelly | !seen vorlon |
| 15:25.43 | dpkg | vorlon <~vorlon@207.224.24.209> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-women, 21h 24m 49s ago, saying: 'at least in languages that use cyrillic it seems to be usual'. |
| 15:26.05 | jelly | DotHack: at least the maintainer seems to be alive |
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| 15:26.17 | jham | DammitJim: i'd go for python or java |
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| 15:26.31 | DammitJim | damn... python looks awesome! |
| 15:26.51 | DammitJim | However, I'm a Java guy |
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| 15:27.05 | jham | if you already are, then use java :) |
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| 15:28.35 | mns | or just use python on java via jython. :) |
| 15:29.02 | jham | since it looks like a distributed system, java won't be an unnecessary bloat in that case |
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| 15:32.07 | casts | my main gripe with java is overuse syndrome in my hands |
| 15:32.09 | DotHack | jelly: im not a developer and i do not know if i can help with this, but i´ve had some trouble running a tool from lvm called vgimportclone which fails with mawk 1.3.3 and works with gawk and mawk 1.3.4 |
| 15:32.42 | DammitJim | lol |
| 15:33.31 | DotHack | thats when i saw that 1.3.3 is in there a long time and i wondered why it hasnt been updated |
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| 15:34.19 | babilen | DammitJim: If you are a java person you might want to take a look at Clojure. But this is getting quite off-topic for #debian and I would recommend either ##programming or #debian-offtopic |
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| 15:35.40 | DammitJim | thanks babilen... I'm going to those channels |
| 15:38.23 | bahamas | how can i find out what email server i have on my system? i need to add a user to my django app, so i can send emails for user authentication but the guy who did all this left, so now i need to find out what users are available and what i can use |
| 15:39.00 | bahamas | or maybe create a new one especially for this app |
| 15:39.05 | DotHack | bahamas: netstat -antup and see what program is listening on port 25 |
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| 15:40.27 | bahamas | DotHack: exim4 |
| 15:40.55 | DotHack | bahamas: there you have it |
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| 15:43.12 | bahamas | DotHack: ok. thanks |
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| 15:46.47 | mersault | qI'm having troubles with a NIC. In the dmesg I see the following error: "irq 16: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)". But according to the same dmesg output, my kernel boot options are: "ro quiet irqpoll", anyone have any ideas what's going on? |
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| 15:54.22 | gmonnerat | Hello all, if possible, por example, fd00::ab01:13000 using ipv4. Someone know how to configure one tunnel for this? |
| 15:54.35 | bahamas | can anyone explain how i add a user to exim or how i get a user and a pass to use to send emails? |
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| 15:55.15 | simonlnu | gmonnerat: that's not a global address |
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| 15:56.27 | gmonnerat | simonlnu, is possible access this port using ipv4? |
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| 15:56.46 | jelly | bahamas: I don't use exim, but, have you searched for SMTP AUTH in the documentation? |
| 15:57.01 | simonlnu | well, access it via whatever ipv4 address it has |
| 15:57.22 | simonlnu | the interface that ipv6 address is on, that is |
| 15:57.53 | bahamas | jelly: ok, i'll look for that |
| 15:58.02 | simonlnu | gmonnerat: if it's link lcal, that won't matter |
| 15:58.07 | simonlnu | local* |
| 15:58.44 | jelly | bahamas: all debian packages have some initial documentation under /usr/share/doc/packagename, so try looking at /usr/share/doc/exim4*/README.Debian* first |
| 15:58.49 | gmonnerat | simonlnu, hum but I don't have ipv6 (sorry I don't it first) |
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| 15:59.08 | simonlnu | gmonnerat: obviously yo do |
| 15:59.11 | simonlnu | you |
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| 16:01.45 | gmonnerat | simonlnu, fd00::ab01:13000 this is one apache, but I can't access it. sorry stupid questions, but how can I simulate it? |
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| 16:02.08 | bahamas | jelly: i'm reading this but it's not very clear http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/README/README.Debian.html#smtp-auth |
| 16:02.12 | jhutchins_lt | !ipv6 |
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| 16:02.12 | dpkg | Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the next-generation IP version designed to replace IPv4. Available in Debian since <potato>, full IPv6 support was a release goal for Squeeze. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 http://ipv6.debian.net/ http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ http://www.ipv6.org/ #debian-ipv6 on irc.oftc.net, #ipv6 on irc.freenode.net. To disable IPv6 on your system, ask me about <noipv6>. |
| 16:02.44 | alinux_ | hi how can I read the emails in the queue on debian ? I am root but the queue is bursting with frozen messagess and I want to see thee content to see what is generating them |
| 16:02.47 | jhutchins_lt | gmonnerat: It only works if there is an ipv6 path from you to the destination. |
| 16:02.48 | simonlnu | gmonnerat: you need some basics first ^^^ |
| 16:03.12 | jhutchins_lt | alinux_: What mailserver did you configure? |
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| 16:04.51 | mersault | I've got an IRQ problem. My kernel boot options include "irqpoll", but a little while after boot (9418 seconds after boot this morning, specifically), I got the following error: "irq 16: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)". Anyone ever encountered this? |
| 16:04.51 | jhutchins_lt | !br |
| 16:04.51 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 16:06.35 | alinux_ | jhutchins_lt, exim through smarthost |
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| 16:07.28 | jhutchins_lt | alinux_: Your mail.log should indicate why the messages are not going out. |
| 16:08.29 | Rienzilla | grumble, I'm trying to install squeeze on a 2T drive. partman apparently decides it needs to use a GPT partition table on the drives, and as a result, grub is unable to install itself, resulting in an unbootable system |
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| 16:09.16 | thewanderer1 | Rienzilla: you need to create a special partition in the GPT for GRUB's exclusive use |
| 16:09.32 | Rienzilla | yeah I read something like that, but the installer lacks te tools to make it |
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| 16:09.48 | thewanderer1 | in manual partitioning, you choose "GRUB MBR partition" or sth like that and it's made |
| 16:09.56 | alinux_ | jhutchins_lt, it is indicating why, my server is sending out too many emails to the smarthost and based on that it is blocking any more emails from me and refusing to accept emails, but I have a few cron jobs that send out emails based on what they process I want to find out which of those cronjobs is causing the emails that is why I want to check content |
| 16:10.04 | Rienzilla | ehm |
| 16:10.09 | Rienzilla | one sec, let me check |
| 16:10.37 | simonlnu | !ig |
| 16:10.38 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
| 16:11.12 | debrocks | i have just installed squeeze, awesomeWM, and wicd but for somereason i cannot get my wireless card to work; i have an atheros wireless card and thus the drivers should be in the kernel, and even though i do modprob ath5k i still cannot see any wireless signals; can anyone help me trouble shoot this problem? |
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| 16:13.21 | Rienzilla | thewanderer1: "Reserved BIOS boot area"? |
| 16:13.26 | Rienzilla | How large does it need to be? |
| 16:13.32 | thewanderer1 | Rienzilla: I use 32MB, works for me |
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| 16:14.52 | debrocks | so, no takers on helping me trouble shoot my wireless issue? |
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| 16:15.45 | jhutchins_lt | alinux_: http://www.electrictoolbox.com/show-exim-mail-queue/ |
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| 16:16.08 | jhutchins_lt | !ath5k |
| 16:16.08 | dpkg | [ath5k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11a/bg PCI wireless LAN chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. It does not require firmware from userspace. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for more information and supported devices. For 802.11n device support, ask me about <ath9k>. |
| 16:16.17 | ZykoticK9 | debrocks, you probably need the non-free firmware... |
| 16:16.59 | debrocks | ZykoticK9: you mean the madwifi ones? |
| 16:17.10 | debrocks | ZykoticK9: shouldn't have to have that though... |
| 16:17.13 | ZykoticK9 | debrocks, I have a "Atheros Communications Inc. AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter" which is not working on my "free" squeeze system |
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| 16:17.22 | CeR_abg | hi there! |
| 16:17.34 | debrocks | ZykoticK9: wow, yes i have an ar5001 as well |
| 16:17.45 | jhutchins_lt | ZykoticK9: "It does not require firmware from userspace." |
| 16:17.46 | debrocks | ZykoticK9: how did you get it to work, madwifi? |
| 16:17.48 | ZykoticK9 | debrocks, all non-free firmware was removed from "core" debian with squeeze |
| 16:18.09 | debrocks | cries |
| 16:18.18 | ZykoticK9 | debrocks, see jhutchins_lt remarks above, perhaps i'm incorrect |
| 16:18.37 | debrocks | ZykoticK9: how did you get your ar5001 to work? |
| 16:18.40 | jhutchins_lt | debrocks: What's the pciid? (pciid -nn)? |
| 16:18.53 | ZykoticK9 | debrocks, i didn't - i use ethernet |
| 16:19.37 | debrocks | jhutchins_lt: i'm not sure what you mean |
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| 16:19.58 | debrocks | ZykoticK9: i think madwifi could do it... but i thought it was in the kernel? |
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| 16:20.17 | jhutchins_lt | debrocks: run pciid -nn as root, find the eight-character numerical ID of the WiFi card, post here. |
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| 16:20.29 | Rienzilla | thewanderer1: thanks |
| 16:20.49 | ZykoticK9 | debrocks, ? sorry man, it's not an issue for me - this is my desktop system, i use cabled ethernet. On my EEE netbook, wireless works fine with free |
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| 16:21.08 | debrocks | jhutchins_lt: piicd: command not found |
| 16:21.22 | simonlnu | lspci -nn |
| 16:21.28 | ZykoticK9 | debrocks, jhutchins i also don't have piicd |
| 16:21.56 | ZykoticK9 | s/piicd/pciid/ |
| 16:21.56 | jhutchins_lt | simonlnu: D'Oh - thanks. |
| 16:22.01 | simonlnu | np |
| 16:22.09 | debrocks | simonlnu: how the hell do i figure out which is my card? |
| 16:22.11 | simonlnu | honest mistake |
| 16:22.13 | jhutchins_lt | gets more coffee. |
| 16:22.39 | simonlnu | lspci then see what the ids are ;) |
| 16:22.45 | jhutchins_lt | debrocks: It's probably one of the last two lines. |
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| 16:22.56 | ZykoticK9 | here it shows -- 05:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter [168c:001c] (rev 01) |
| 16:23.19 | jhutchins_lt | ,pciid 168c:001c |
| 16:23.23 | judd | [168c:001c] is 'AR242x / AR542x Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:001c http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k |
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| 16:23.51 | jhutchins_lt | debrocks: So 5k should work and you shouldn't need firmware. Additional info at the wiki. |
| 16:23.58 | debrocks | 03:00.0 ethernet controller: atheros communications inc. ar5001 wireless network adapter (rev 01) |
| 16:24.27 | debrocks | jhutchins_lt: yes, that's what i thought... but when i do modprob ath5k i still see nothing |
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| 16:24.45 | simonlnu | you need to bring it up.. |
| 16:24.45 | jhutchins_lt | !tell debrocks about wifi |
| 16:24.46 | ZykoticK9 | I see the ath5k listed with lsmod - still no wireless in ifconfig? |
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| 16:25.05 | jhutchins_lt | ifup eth0 |
| 16:25.27 | ZykoticK9 | jhutchins_lt, eth0? that's my ethernet? |
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| 16:25.58 | ZykoticK9 | ifup wlan0 shows unknown interface...? |
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| 16:27.05 | ZykoticK9 | debrocks, it appears we have the same chipset |
| 16:27.21 | ZykoticK9 | debrocks, and the same issue ;) |
| 16:27.35 | debrocks | ifip wlan0 says: ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0 |
| 16:27.44 | ZykoticK9 | debrocks, same here |
| 16:27.44 | debrocks | ifup |
| 16:27.59 | debrocks | so it must mean i need to install madwifi |
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| 16:28.20 | jhutchins_lt | !madwifi |
| 16:28.20 | dpkg | MadWifi is the deprecated <non-free> legacy driver for Atheros 802.11a/bg PCI wireless LAN chipsets. To install on Lenny, ask me about <madwifi-install> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/ath_pci . http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/Support #madwifi on irc.freenode.net. Removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #519446; Squeeze users, ask me about <ath5k> or <ath9k> (802.11n). |
| 16:28.30 | g_ | abrotman: thanks for your help earlier, things seem to be ok atm! |
| 16:28.30 | Nu^253r | hi whats the usb port under linix? |
| 16:28.42 | simonlnu | o_O |
| 16:28.46 | debrocks | !ath5k |
| 16:28.46 | dpkg | [ath5k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11a/bg PCI wireless LAN chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. It does not require firmware from userspace. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for more information and supported devices. For 802.11n device support, ask me about <ath9k>. |
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| 16:29.52 | ZykoticK9 | debrocks, do you get output from "lsmod | grep ath5k"? |
| 16:30.09 | namidark | Is there any reason a cron job (python) would randomly stop running? It was running fine for several days but now its as if it cant find python in the env (its not even being run) -- even when using the full path to python it still wont run but python --version works fine |
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| 16:32.32 | matt6666 | If I execute 'ntpdate pool.ntp.org' I always get the UTC time instead of my local time(UTC+3). "hwclock --local" gives my the ricght time. What can cause this issue where 'ntpdate' gives only UTC time? |
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| 16:33.06 | debrocks | ZykoticK9: ath5k 104074 0; mac80211 123570 1 ath5k; ath 6014 1 ath5k; cfg80211 87657 3 ath5k,mac80211,ath; led_class 1757 2 ath5k,sdhci |
| 16:33.30 | stew | matt6666: why not just install the ntp package and forget about ntpdate? the ntp package will keep you continuously up to date |
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| 16:33.41 | stew | matt6666: (and its what the ntp/ntpdate developers are encouraging you to do) |
| 16:33.45 | ZykoticK9 | debrocks, :) ya mine is similar, I just wanted to verify you saw something (meaning ath5k was loaded) |
| 16:33.47 | debrocks | from the wiki it states this card is not supported, or does not list it as supported? |
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| 16:35.36 | debrocks | so i'm sol, eh? |
| 16:35.47 | debrocks | for no madwifi in repositories |
| 16:36.15 | stew | "debrocks> ifip wlan0 says: ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0" |
| 16:36.29 | stew | this says nothing about drivers, this means that wlan0 is not yet defined in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:36.42 | debrocks | stew: so, what do i need to do? |
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| 16:36.53 | stew | debrocks: does wlan0 appear in "ip link show" or "ifconfig -a" ? |
| 16:37.16 | ZykoticK9 | stew, it does here! |
| 16:37.25 | debrocks | stew: it shows in both |
| 16:38.14 | stew | debrocks: then if you want ifup to work, define a stanza for wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces. if this is a machine you might be connecting to multiple different wireless environments, consider instead using something like wicd or network-manager |
| 16:39.31 | debrocks | stew: i have wicd installed, but when hitting refresh it doesn't show any wireless networks, which i know there are some in this area not to mention my cell phone can be used as a wireless hotspot |
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| 16:40.49 | stew | debrocks: what does "iwlist scan" show? |
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| 16:41.41 | debrocks | stew: you wont believe this, i had to define the wireless interface in wicd in order for it to work; how i missed that i have no idea |
| 16:41.55 | debrocks | it works |
| 16:42.03 | debrocks | slaps himself |
| 16:42.28 | debrocks | i don't ever remember having to define that though |
| 16:42.36 | debrocks | slaps himself again |
| 16:42.55 | debrocks | ZykoticK9: so this does work |
| 16:43.25 | ZykoticK9 | debrocks, i see wireless networks in nm-applet, but am currently getting "(nm-applet:26662): WARNING **: <WARN> activate_connection_cb(): Connection activation failed: Connection was not provided by any settings service" |
| 16:43.28 | debrocks | ZykoticK9: and, if you are like me (well i'm sure your not as stupid as me), you might need to define the interface |
| 16:44.05 | debrocks | thanks stew and jhutchins_lt |
| 16:44.31 | debrocks | ZykoticK9: i take it your on gnome? |
| 16:44.41 | ZykoticK9 | debrocks, ya |
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| 16:45.14 | debrocks | ZykoticK9: see if you can define the interface as wlan0 within network manager, how you would do that i don't know :/ |
| 16:46.08 | jhutchins_lt | debrocks: network-manager has various front ends depending on whether you're in console or using X. |
| 16:46.10 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.49 | debrocks | jhutchins_lt: oh, i thought it was just a gnome app |
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| 16:47.02 | debrocks | slaps himself yet again |
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| 16:48.17 | gribouille | hi |
| 16:48.21 | gribouille | when a background process terminates, what does bash print about the terminated process ? |
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| 16:49.59 | Rienzilla | arien@sinas:~$ sleep 2& |
| 16:50.00 | Rienzilla | [1] 26870 |
| 16:50.07 | Rienzilla | 1]+ Done sleep 2 |
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| 16:50.31 | gribouille | and if an error occurs ? |
| 16:50.33 | designup | anybody knows why my ubuntu 11.04 doesnt "see" my Wireless Network, which is amplified by a FRITZ WLAN repeater n/g ?? ANY other wlan is detected perfectly!! need some help please.... :( |
| 16:50.45 | Rienzilla | I don't think that matters |
| 16:50.53 | Rienzilla | it will print done when the pid disappears afaik |
| 16:51.43 | gribouille | Rienzilla, of course it does. it is important to know how a process ended |
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| 16:53.23 | deno | hi there |
| 16:53.24 | deno | guys do you know a package better than the default one for gnome to take multiple screenshots? |
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| 16:56.21 | lusotux | deno gnome package ? |
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| 16:56.58 | deno | lusotux: "Take screenshot" |
| 16:57.12 | lusotux | oh |
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| 16:58.40 | abrotman | deno: why multiple? |
| 16:59.04 | lusotux | he must have more than one !!! :D |
| 16:59.19 | lusotux | monitor that is |
| 16:59.41 | homie | deno: xwd from x11-apps is one more general ..... |
| 16:59.58 | homie | deno: and xwud for viewing them |
| 17:00.12 | homie | deno: screenie-qt is another but depends on qt |
| 17:00.19 | deno | abrotman, because I need it.. every second to do it |
| 17:00.26 | deno | do you know shutter? |
| 17:00.30 | deno | is it good? |
| 17:00.59 | debrocks | somthing i need to ask about the source.list file; can i change "squeeze" to "stable" and it will auto update to the next version of debian stable? |
| 17:01.02 | homie | gkrellshoot and gpe-screenshot are others |
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| 17:01.21 | abrotman | deno: you could write a script to use the import command |
| 17:01.27 | abrotman | debrocks: NOT recommended |
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| 17:01.48 | debrocks | abrotman: why is that, stable is stable but with newer progs, now? |
| 17:01.54 | deno | abrotman, good idea.. I think I'm going to do that :) |
| 17:01.55 | deno | thanks |
| 17:01.58 | abrotman | debrocks: surprise upgrades are not fun |
| 17:02.07 | debrocks | ah |
| 17:02.28 | debrocks | abrotman: so how do you deal with new version updates, reinstall? |
| 17:03.00 | abrotman | debrocks: you do a dist-upgrade |
| 17:03.13 | abrotman | when it's time .. but having one 'accidentally' happen leads to confusing and usually breakage |
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| 17:03.34 | debrocks | ic |
| 17:04.06 | ZykoticK9 | debrocks, well, thanks for inspiring me to try/fix my wireless - good to know it can work, although I doubt I ever will. |
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| 17:04.21 | debrocks | ZykoticK9: so you got it to work? |
| 17:04.33 | ZykoticK9 | debrocks, ya with wicd |
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| 17:04.42 | debrocks | ZykoticK9: cool beans ;) |
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| 17:07.17 | almonds | hello |
| 17:07.20 | almonds | super newb here |
| 17:07.38 | almonds | im logged into a debian box via putty |
| 17:07.44 | dmbaturin | Hi! I installed debian squeeze and am having some sound troubles. Sound card is detected correctly and shown in "cat /proc/asound/cards". I can hear sound in smplayer when I switch the device manually to ALSA. However, I don't have sound in e.g. skype or flash applications. What can be wrong? |
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| 17:08.13 | almonds | i typed mysqldb trying to start mysql and now my putty terminal is flooded with InnoDB messages and control+c wont get me back into terminal |
| 17:08.16 | almonds | any ideas |
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| 17:08.46 | stew | almonds: you have to kill it from another shell |
| 17:08.56 | almonds | so alt+f2 |
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| 17:09.20 | stew | i don't know what alt+f2 does, another putty window should do it |
| 17:09.28 | almonds | ok cool let me try |
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| 17:09.40 | stew | but yes, mysqld doesn't watch for a ctrl-c, you have to send it a signal from another shell |
| 17:09.51 | dmbaturin | almonds: Use "/etc/init.d/mysql start" to start the service, by the way. |
| 17:10.11 | almonds | ok |
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| 17:10.16 | almonds | how do i kill the innodb messages |
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| 17:10.58 | dmbaturin | almonds: killall mysqldb |
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| 17:11.34 | almonds | it says no processes killed |
| 17:11.35 | SilentAssassin | how can i uninstall the graphics stuff and leave only the console |
| 17:12.01 | SilentAssassin | because i have a feeling that 512 MB RAM is too few for this |
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| 17:12.53 | ZykoticK9 | SilentAssassin, if you want to try a "light" DE you should give lxde a shot |
| 17:12.57 | jelly-home | SilentAssassin: or you can try using a desktop environment lighter than default Gnome -- say, LXDE or XFCE |
| 17:13.13 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell SilentAssassin about install lxde |
| 17:13.14 | almonds | mysqld_safe was running |
| 17:13.17 | almonds | i killed that |
| 17:13.18 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell SilentAssassin about install xfce |
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| 17:13.45 | almonds | it still failed |
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| 17:13.47 | ZykoticK9 | jelly-home, XFCE is pretty close to Gnome's requirements |
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| 17:14.42 | jelly-home | ZykoticK9: it was usable for me on a 512MB machine |
| 17:15.15 | jelly-home | but firefox or opera weren't <g> |
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| 17:16.20 | ZykoticK9 | jelly-home, i give VMs 512 RAM and fine still Gnome "usable" |
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| 17:16.55 | ZykoticK9 | s/fine still/still find |
| 17:17.48 | SilentAssassin | yes well i have gnome 512 MB and when i tried iseweasel and install JRE ... on oracle page i couldnt even move the mouse |
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| 17:21.20 | debrocks | jelly-home: o/ |
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| 17:22.01 | jelly-home | ? |
| 17:22.11 | jelly-home | "hi" |
| 17:22.26 | debrocks | jelly-home: you're well loved, just know that |
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| 17:30.31 | SilentAssassin | hmm |
| 17:30.34 | SilentAssassin | what the hell is .bin |
| 17:30.41 | SilentAssassin | i cant launch a .bin in debian :D |
| 17:30.59 | babilen | SilentAssassin: Why would you want to? |
| 17:31.01 | dmbaturin | SilentAssassin: Did you chmod +x it? ;) |
| 17:31.21 | robokop | .bin can be a lot of different types of files |
| 17:31.55 | babilen | SilentAssassin: What is this file? Where did you get it from and what do you need it for? |
| 17:32.13 | stew | SilentAssassin: filename extensions are not significant in linux. "file /path/to/whatever.bin" should tell you what type of file it is |
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| 17:32.53 | dmbaturin | Most probable options are disk image in format that some software is using instead of ISO or a statically linked binary/shell script with an installer. |
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| 17:39.03 | debrocks | say how do i edit cpu scaling so that when i boot up it will always defult to powersave? |
| 17:39.04 | jelly-home | debrocks: I don't know how to respond to that. Thanks, I guess! |
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| 17:39.28 | debrocks | jelly-home: LOL, it's ok you don't know me under this fake nick |
| 17:40.46 | jelly-home | debrocks: sysfsutils, echo devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor = powersave >> /etc/sysfs.conf |
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| 17:41.06 | salahuddin66 | hello, after update xorg package in unstable few hours back, I could not start X server. It simply Hangup the system (even keyboard not working) |
| 17:41.19 | jelly-home | debrocks: maybe add cpufreq-powersave to /etc/modules |
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| 17:41.44 | nkuttler | salahuddin66: welcome to sid |
| 17:42.06 | centHOGG | does debian xbmc? |
| 17:42.19 | daemonkeeper | No, XBMC is difficult beast. |
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| 17:42.37 | nkuttler | centHOGG: sure |
| 17:42.41 | SilentAssassin | stew i dont know what is it... i'm mostly a windows user but i have to install java runtime environment in debian... |
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| 17:42.46 | salahuddin66 | nuttler: yah :), but waiting to solve it, I have backup Squeeze installed for urgent work :) |
| 17:42.53 | nkuttler | !tell SilentAssassin about java |
| 17:42.58 | jelly-home | !xbmc |
| 17:42.59 | dpkg | XBMC Media Centre (formerly Xbox Media Center) is an open source media player application. <ITP> filed in Debian bug #469397; see <dmm> for unofficial packages. "XBMC Live" is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> containing XBMC for Linux, it is not supported in #debian. http://xbmc.org/ #xbmc on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on Debian>. |
| 17:43.04 | SilentAssassin | chmod works |
| 17:43.05 | stew | SilentAssassin: aptitude install openjdk-6-jre |
| 17:43.05 | centHOGG | nkuttler: hi, do use the library mode for organizing? |
| 17:43.18 | stew | SilentAssassin: i'd discourage you from installing java from a .bin file |
| 17:43.18 | treebeen | so, when i have a command: "rsync ... && ssh ... && rm ...", can I do "rsync ... > /dev/null && ssh ... && rm ..." ? |
| 17:43.20 | nkuttler | oh, it's from dmm.. |
| 17:43.38 | daemonkeeper | Sure it is. XBMC would never meet Debians standards. |
| 17:43.39 | SilentAssassin | eh... too late |
| 17:43.46 | debrocks | jelly-home: now to see if it works ;) |
| 17:43.57 | jelly-home | treebeen: or just don't tell rsync to be verbose in the first place |
| 17:44.20 | treebeen | jelly-home: hmm, ok, but would this work also? |
| 17:44.21 | nkuttler | salahuddin66: well, install the working package again if you can |
| 17:44.31 | jelly-home | treebeen: yes |
| 17:44.45 | treebeen | jelly-home: ok, thanks |
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| 17:46.18 | salahuddin66 | nkuttler: from my /var/cache/apt or from testing repository ? |
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| 17:47.38 | nkuttler | salahuddin66: whatever works for you |
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| 17:49.58 | salahuddin66 | nkuttler: ok |
| 17:49.59 | moniker326 | what is the best command to allow permissions on a file?? 666, 655, 777, 755? which one? |
| 17:50.26 | robokop | moniker326: depends on what you need |
| 17:50.55 | moniker326 | well I'm getting Warning: Smarty error: unable to read resource: |
| 17:51.01 | stew | 777 is pretty much never what you want |
| 17:51.13 | moniker326 | when I try to access a page for my webserver |
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| 17:51.39 | nkuttler | moniker326: that doesn't look like the whole error? |
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| 17:52.01 | stew | moniker326: 644 or 664 for the files, the directories should be perhaps be 755 or 775 or 2775 or somehting similar |
| 17:52.03 | dmbaturin | moniker326: 644 or 755. |
| 17:54.08 | moniker326 | ok |
| 17:54.16 | moniker326 | thanks |
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| 18:01.27 | gnude | hello, i would like to shou you my blog with my experiences with debian: http://erfahrungenmitdebian.blogspot.com/ |
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| 18:02.48 | dkr | spamvertising and immediately /part-ing is suspicious :) |
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| 18:04.19 | jelly-home | dkr: quick, everyone point him the error of his ways with a well placed /msg gauge please use #debian-offtopic for non-tech-support activities, not #debian |
| 18:04.36 | jelly-home | er. |
| 18:04.41 | ompaul | hehe |
| 18:04.44 | jelly-home | s/gauge/gnude/ |
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| 18:05.01 | ompaul | jelly-home: typo, may I enquire? |
| 18:05.09 | jelly-home | I may have just gotten an innocent person spammed. :-( |
| 18:05.19 | ompaul | I doubt it |
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| 18:06.15 | jelly-home | gouges his /msg out |
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| 18:07.32 | ompaul | jelly-home: hehe |
| 18:07.39 | ws2k3 | hello guys how can i am searching for a command that i can that request only the ip adres of eth1 is this possible? |
| 18:07.41 | ompaul | look what ya did |
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| 18:08.55 | dkr | ws2k3: ip addr list eth1 |
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| 18:10.39 | ws2k3 | dkr when i hit that i get 5 rules. i want pure and only the ip adres. because i need to use it as variable |
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| 18:11.52 | dkr | ws2k3: ip addr list eth1|perl -ne'print $1 if /inet ([0-9.]+)/' |
| 18:12.27 | stew | ws2k3: you want one ip address per line? or what? |
| 18:13.04 | ws2k3 | no just one rule with my ipadres of eth1 |
| 18:13.18 | stew | eth1 is likely to have more than one ip address |
| 18:13.42 | stew | in any case, its going to require some kind of script like the one dkr provided |
| 18:13.57 | ws2k3 | it worked.. |
| 18:14.45 | stew | ws2k3: i wouldn't count on it working reliably. if you get a link local address on that interface for example, whatever you are doing is likely to break |
| 18:15.29 | ws2k3 | hmm.. ok maby other suggestions then? |
| 18:15.31 | dkr | or ipv6 would be inet6 |
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| 18:15.37 | stew | ws2k3: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:15.59 | ws2k3 | i'm trying to get the ipadres of eth1 that i can use as a variable |
| 18:16.01 | wieldy_BIOS | tor gives "514 Authentication required". what to do? |
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| 18:17.17 | wieldy_BIOS | when i'm trying to serf with iceweasel |
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| 18:18.01 | wieldy_BIOS | I had set proxy to locahost port 9051 |
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| 18:19.12 | woodgrain | just upgraded to 2.6.32.5-686 .... cannot startx. pls help. |
| 18:19.53 | N1x1 | guys i have problem,! when i listen music with speakers its working without problem but when i plug my headphones jack in soundcard , speakers dont muted and headphones dont working :/ i have debian squeeze, and in alsamixer-s configuration is good |
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| 18:20.48 | oye | N1x1: I had the same problem as you did, but I can assure you mine was totally hardware and non-rllated to the sound card :) |
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| 18:21.12 | me1988 | when I want to upgrade from stable to testing, is it straightforward to just edit /etc/apt/preferences? |
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| 18:21.16 | oye | It seemed like the jack wasn't properly making contact |
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| 18:22.37 | ws2k3 | but there ist a linux macro or something wich i can purely request the ip adres |
| 18:22.59 | N1x1 | oye: hmm u said my soundcard is dead? |
| 18:23.09 | N1x1 | but my laptop is new :D |
| 18:23.27 | Azrael_- | ws2k3: i think the best approach would be "ip addr show" |
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| 18:24.40 | treebeen | Azrael_-: "ip a" |
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| 18:25.18 | ws2k3 | azrael then i get an entire list |
| 18:25.24 | ws2k3 | u only need the ip |
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| 18:25.38 | Azrael_- | ws2k3: and from what adapter? |
| 18:25.54 | ws2k3 | a realtek |
| 18:26.06 | ws2k3 | i have the hdaddress or adapter name if u like |
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| 18:29.19 | foetus | is granulating usbsticks with different inode-settings..:) |
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| 18:29.34 | foetus | joke |
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| 18:34.30 | treebeen | ws2k3: use something like that: ip a s eth1 | awk '/inet[^6]/ {print $2}' |
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| 18:34.54 | treebeen | eh, ok, minus the /24 |
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| 18:37.01 | MikeH | Hrm, I need to monitor a directory for new sub directories and run a script on a match |
| 18:37.05 | MikeH | is there an easy way to do this? |
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| 18:39.47 | Azrael_- | ip a s eth0 | tail -n 1 | sed -e "sa.*?\([0-9.]*\).*a\1ag" <-- als sth similar to this. although my regex doesn't seem to work 100% |
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| 18:42.13 | mnzaki | I'm trying to compile a 32 bit statically linked python binary, but the build fails while linking with this ld error http://paste.pound-python.org/raw/6119/ |
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| 18:44.42 | treebeen | ip a s eth1|awk '/inet[^6]/ {sub(/\/.*[ ]/, " "); print $2}' |
| 18:46.45 | deed02392 | Hi guys, has anyone else here managed to get php5-fpm installed/built on Debian Squeeze with an arm(el) architecture? |
| 18:46.57 | Azrael_- | fpm? |
| 18:47.03 | deed02392 | As a result I can't use dotdeb |
| 18:47.18 | deed02392 | FastCGI Process Manager |
| 18:48.01 | jelly-home | ,versions php5-fpm |
| 18:48.02 | judd | Package php5-fpm on i386 -- sid: 5.3.6-10 |
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| 18:48.23 | jelly-home | ,versions php5-fpm --arch armel |
| 18:48.25 | judd | Package php5-fpm on armel -- sid: 5.3.6-10 |
| 18:48.32 | stew | deed02392: i'd try to discourage you from using either -fpm or dotdeb |
| 18:48.52 | deed02392 | i've got Squeeze |
| 18:48.52 | deed02392 | stew, how come? |
| 18:48.52 | jelly-home | stew: or php |
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| 18:49.32 | stew | deed02392: dotdeb historically creates buggy packages, -fpm is only in unstable because of all the security problems it has |
| 18:49.33 | jelly-home | deed02392: I guess you _could_ try backporting it but I have no idea how badly it's going to fail |
| 18:49.58 | deed02392 | I suppose another option is to build it myself right? |
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| 18:50.29 | stew | oh, i guess the -fpm bugs are actually php, not specific tto php-fpm |
| 18:50.38 | stew | deed02392: do you actually need fpm? |
| 18:50.54 | stew | deed02392: the other option is just to install the php in squeeze |
| 18:51.07 | deed02392 | I doubt it stew, I just wanted it because I thought it'd run well on my very weak box |
| 18:51.14 | deed02392 | just get php5 stew? |
| 18:51.57 | stew | deed02392: are you trying to run it with a webserver? which? |
| 18:52.02 | deed02392 | nginx |
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| 18:52.40 | deed02392 | I've set up nginx+php5-fpm Debian boxes before, which is why I wanted to do a similar setup on my arm box |
| 18:52.45 | deed02392 | but I don't really have any other reason to do it this way |
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| 18:53.46 | Milenko | I am seriously lost here.... I have a debian box that i have added to the domain now after adding it to the domain doing a reboot trying to login as any use ither root or local linux or windows accounts it says Incorrect Login..... /sigh |
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| 18:54.58 | Milenko | i also get Access denied when trying to access the ssh server now :( |
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| 18:55.26 | Milenko | any help would be much apreciated thank you. |
| 18:55.31 | deed02392 | I tell you what stew, I'll go off and try and solve this without -fpm and come back and harass if I can't do that. Thanks |
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| 18:56.50 | Milenko | i think i have narrowed my issue down to it being pam but i dont know what in pam is the problem... |
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| 18:57.43 | paolosca | Hi... How do I reassign a bug I reported on gnome-settings-daemon to the kernel maintainers? |
| 18:58.42 | twobitsprite | paolosca: why would a bug on gnome-settings-daemon go to the kernel maintainers? |
| 18:59.05 | daemonkeeper | paolosca: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control#reassign |
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| 19:00.19 | daemonkeeper | Although twobitsprites question is worth to be answered. |
| 19:00.27 | paolosca | twobitsprite: gnome-settings-daemon keeps crashing on me, but I noticed that it crashes only when I use the 2.6.38 kernel, no crash on 2.6.32 and 2.6.39 |
| 19:00.38 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 19:02.20 | paolosca | twobitsprite: Thank you, I'll make more tests before trying to reassign the bug report. |
| 19:03.08 | paolosca | daemonkeeper: I'll check the instructions, thanks! |
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| 19:04.20 | buntfalke | How to join / merge / combine PDF files /without/ breaking the pdf-toc? that row of bookmarklike links usually displayed on the left. |
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| 19:05.40 | Milenko | I just recently joined a debian box to my active directory and now when i reboot it says Incorrect Login no matter what user account i use including root.... any sugestions would be most greatfull.... |
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| 19:10.52 | asmogator | how can i find kernel 2.6.38.5 in SID repo ?? |
| 19:13.06 | treebeen | ,versions linux-image |
| 19:13.07 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image' was found in i386. |
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| 19:13.40 | treebeen | ,versions kernel |
| 19:13.41 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'kernel' was found in i386. |
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| 19:16.04 | Arrowmaster | ,versions linux-image-2.6 |
| 19:16.06 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image-2.6' was found in i386. |
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| 19:18.58 | stew | asmogator: there is a 2.6.38 kernel in sid. i wouldn't assume it is necessarily based on 2.6.38.5. why do you need that specific version, and what are you going to do with the kernel? |
| 19:19.33 | Rienzilla | argh |
| 19:19.45 | swilson06 | how do i use scp with files with spaces in them? 'user@host:path/file\ with\ spaces\ not\ working' |
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| 19:21.03 | stew | swilson06: keep that escaping, then put the whole thing in quotes |
| 19:21.24 | stew | swilson06: you need to escape once for the local shell, once for the remote shell |
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| 19:21.39 | swilson06 | oh |
| 19:21.57 | akio | I'm trying really hard to find the docs on setting up a serial console for squeeze, where is it? |
| 19:22.25 | swilson06 | yep, thanks |
| 19:23.09 | swilson06 | akio: donno exactly, but it should be an option for grub |
| 19:23.28 | swilson06 | then, if you want keep the tty out past boot, it would be a getty setting |
| 19:23.35 | asmogator | stew: i want to have latest kernel for testing |
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| 19:23.55 | asmogator | how can i find what is the latest kernel in SID repo ? |
| 19:24.02 | akio | I have done this several times with several different distros. |
| 19:24.02 | asmogator | i'm new to debian ;) |
| 19:24.16 | Arrowmaster | ,versions linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 19:24.16 | judd | Package linux-image-2.6-686 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; sid: 2.6.38+33; wheezy: 2.6.38+33 |
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| 19:24.31 | asmogator | Arrowmaster: what is 2.6.38+33 ? |
| 19:24.33 | asmogator | what is +33 ? |
| 19:25.01 | Arrowmaster | its the 33 debian package of that kernel |
| 19:25.03 | swilson06 | akio: i think there is a kernel screen reader for linux. they probably have documentation on it. |
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| 19:29.23 | stew | asmogator: which arch are you running? |
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| 19:35.50 | woodgrain | does 2.6.32-5-686 squeeze need a kernel module to run GL graphics nvidia-glx? |
| 19:36.49 | babilen | !tell woodgrain -about nvidia dkms |
| 19:37.05 | babilen | woodgrain: Yes, it does, see dpkg's PM for details on how to compile/install/configure it |
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| 19:38.07 | woodgrain | babilen, if I know my kernel (above) can I skip the regexp? |
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| 19:39.19 | babilen | woodgrain: Sure, it is just a one-liner that suits various versions |
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| 20:01.39 | nexus6__ | hi i just installed the debian 6 stable cd release (cd1). i tryed to install a package for my wlan-usb-stick. dependency dependency... installed few other packages ... dependency dependeny. shall i try the debian 6 dvd version? |
| 20:02.28 | nkuttler | nexus6__: huh? |
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| 20:03.00 | nexus6__ | for my wlan-usb stick. i need a package. for that package i need a other package... infinite loop |
| 20:03.06 | thinksteve | If you've acess to network during installation you might want to choose netinstall instead. |
| 20:03.19 | nkuttler | nexus6__: ah. yeah, try to install with a wired network |
| 20:03.28 | nexus6__ | i cant access the network. because i access is over the wlan |
| 20:03.39 | nexus6__ | *it |
| 20:03.59 | nexus6__ | so without a wired network i cant use debian? |
| 20:04.10 | nkuttler | nexus6__: which chipset does your stick have? |
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| 20:04.43 | babilen | nexus6__: How are you trying to install that package? You haven Debian installed already and you are online with it aren't you? |
| 20:05.29 | nexus6__ | i am online with my ipod :)) |
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| 20:06.06 | nexus6__ | i found this site after some google research for my usb-wlan. i hope this helps nkuttler http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73 |
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| 20:06.41 | nkuttler | nexus6__: which package were you trying to install? |
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| 20:07.03 | ChronicSyncope | will ubuntu debs install in debian? |
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| 20:07.13 | nkuttler | nexus6__: you should only need iwconfig and the firmware |
| 20:07.17 | nkuttler | !tell nexus6__ about rt73 |
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| 20:08.15 | nadar | hi |
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| 20:08.21 | rudi_s | ChronicSyncope: Depends, some Ubuntu packages are of lower quality and will causes problems (especially from external sources). |
| 20:08.29 | nexus6__ | first i installed "formware-ralink" then "wireless-tools" one of them needed something called libiw30 ... after that i tryed to install the NetworkManager. but it needs another package which leads to another package... *loop* |
| 20:08.35 | nkuttler | ChronicSyncope: you should avoid them |
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| 20:08.56 | nexus6__ | i dont know if debian is a good for me if iam a linux beginner. but i dont like ubuntu. its so bloated |
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| 20:09.38 | ompaul | nexus6__: when compared to what? |
| 20:09.57 | nkuttler | nexus6__: what's NetworkManager supposed to be? |
| 20:10.07 | babilen | nexus6__: How are you installing those packages? You have CD1 around don't you? |
| 20:10.15 | nexus6__ | i have |
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| 20:10.56 | nexus6__ | i downloaded them from packages.debian.org put them on my usb stick and installed them via "dpkg -i" |
| 20:11.03 | nkuttler | nexus6__: what's NetworkManager supposed to be? |
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| 20:11.30 | nexus6__ | http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager |
| 20:11.34 | babilen | nexus6__: Yeah, network manager is not on CD1, which might be a problem right now. |
| 20:11.50 | nkuttler | but libiw30 doesn't depend on it anyway.. |
| 20:11.59 | nexus6__ | well there is _a lot_ of stuff not on CD1 which i need |
| 20:12.01 | ChronicSyncope | okay, how do I install wine 1.3.19? |
| 20:12.19 | evilaim | sudo apt-get install wine |
| 20:12.20 | evilaim | ? |
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| 20:12.28 | ChronicSyncope | the wine in the repo is version 1.01 |
| 20:12.41 | ChronicSyncope | which might be over a year old |
| 20:12.47 | babilen | nexus6__: You don't need network manager though to get your wireless working. What kind of network is this? (open/wep/wpa) ? |
| 20:12.52 | ompaul | ,versions wine |
| 20:12.52 | judd | Package wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-3.1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.0.1-3.1; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
| 20:13.09 | babilen | nexus6__: Note that you can easily install packages from the online repositories once you are online. |
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| 20:13.27 | Parsifal | The package name is wine-unstable these days |
| 20:13.31 | Parsifal | ,versions wine-unstable |
| 20:13.32 | judd | Package wine-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.1.32-1+b1 |
| 20:14.06 | babilen | ChronicSyncope: That version has not yet been packaged as you can see. |
| 20:14.38 | rudi_s | ChronicSyncope: Normally wine provides Debian packages, not sure if .19 is already packaged. |
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| 20:14.50 | ChronicSyncope | currently 1.2.3 is the stable version though |
| 20:14.50 | nexus6__ | babilen: so you mean i shoud configure the network in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 20:14.57 | ChronicSyncope | so even the unstable repo is behind |
| 20:15.07 | rudi_s | ChronicSyncope: Check the wine website. |
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| 20:15.59 | babilen | nexus6__: Yes, that is exactly what I mean. You can then configure the online repositories (/msg dpkg sources.list) and install whatever you want. (Like network-manager) |
| 20:16.04 | grondilu | Hi, something weird happens when I launch w3m under X. it started 'feh -test'. I have to kill it, and it starts it again. I kill it again, and then w3m works fine. I have no idea why. |
| 20:16.27 | babilen | nexus6__: The exact method to configure the wireless network depends on your network. |
| 20:16.38 | nexus6__ | ok and how exactly can i configure the wlan in the interfaces file? i didnt find something about this in the wiki |
| 20:16.51 | nexus6__ | let me see |
| 20:17.06 | nexus6__ | WPA-PSK |
| 20:17.10 | babilen | nexus6__: Is it an open network or is it encrypted (how?) ? |
| 20:17.46 | babilen | nexus6__: Ok, can you change the encryption scheme to unencrypted for now or would that be in any way problematic? |
| 20:17.58 | nexus6__ | its problematic.. |
| 20:18.40 | nexus6__ | hmm i guess i am just too stupid for debian |
| 20:18.45 | nexus6__ | i dont want to waste your time |
| 20:18.57 | babilen | nexus6__: Ok, no problem. Run "aptitude install wireless-tools wpasupplicant" (that should install the packages from the CD) |
| 20:19.16 | babilen | nexus6__: Did that work? |
| 20:20.03 | nadar | i installed yesterday xfce4 from the debian 6.0.1 xfce4-disk (dd iso-image -> SD-card, booted and installed from there). trying to suspend the i am told "no hibernate script found". additionally, alt-F2 does not start anything and on the left bottom corner there is no menu-starter. are these known busg or just bad luck?. |
| 20:20.39 | Parsifal | nadar: Check http://bugs.debian.org/ for known bugs |
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| 20:21.32 | Parsifal | nadar: I've been using Xfce for a while with no such problems, so I'm guessing it's something to do with your setup |
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| 20:22.23 | Parsifal | nadar: If you run xfrun4 (what Alt+F2 maps to) in a terminal, do you get any useful error messages? |
| 20:22.34 | nadar | Parsifal, i use another box with nearly exactly the same hardware and debian sid since some years. suspund works flawless |
| 20:22.47 | daemon | hey all qwhen I try to apt-get php5 it wants to install a load of apache stuff |
| 20:22.50 | daemon | apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils ... |
| 20:23.00 | daemon | I'm using nginx is there anyway to tell it that |
| 20:23.25 | stew | daemon: install php5-cgi instead |
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| 20:23.36 | stew | judd: depends php5 |
| 20:23.37 | judd | Package php5 -- depends: libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.3.3-7) | libapache2-mod-php5filter (>= 5.3.3-7) | php5-cgi (>= 5.3.3-7), php5-common (>= 5.3.3-7). |
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| 20:24.28 | stew | daemon: it's guessing that you want the first alternative (the |s separate alternatives). |
| 20:24.31 | daemon | stew, cheers :) |
| 20:24.36 | daemon | og |
| 20:24.37 | daemon | oh |
| 20:24.50 | nadar | Parsifal, got one thing: apt told mit to run -autoremove, which amongst others removed xfrun4. reinstalled that |
| 20:25.30 | daemon | stew, so to get the alternative doo I neeedd to do something like: apt-get install --alternative 1 php5 |
| 20:25.35 | daemon | stew, so to get the alternative doo I neeedd to do something like: apt-get install --alternative 1 php5-cgi |
| 20:25.43 | SilentAssassin | cannot find Java Home |
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| 20:26.01 | SilentAssassin | even though /etc/profile has JAVA_HOME=" blabla ... export JAVA_HOME |
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| 20:26.39 | stew | daemon: "apt-get install php5-cgi" is probably all you need. or you can "apt-get install php5 php5-cgi" when it sees that php5-cgi is being installed, it wouldn't go after libapache2-mod-php5 to satisfy that dependency (since php5-cgi satisfies it) |
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| 20:27.15 | daemon | The following extra packages will be installed: |
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| 20:27.22 | daemon | does not look like it unfortunatly stew :( |
| 20:27.33 | daemon | let me just try -cgi on its own |
| 20:27.59 | daemon | ah that installed no apache stuff |
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| 20:32.03 | jhutchins_lt | D'Oh! Just realized why some of the KDE settings dialogs extend off-screen. It's because I'm running them on a remote desktop with higher resolution. |
| 20:32.05 | Raptors | Hey guys |
| 20:32.19 | Raptors | Where can I find the evolution webkit patch? |
| 20:32.32 | dvs | !depends php5 |
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| 20:33.16 | dpkg | php5: depends on libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.3.6-10) | libapache2-mod-php5filter (>= 5.3.6-10) | php5-cgi (>= 5.3.6-10) | php5-fpm (>= 5.3.6-10), php5-common (>= 5.3.6-10) |
| 20:33.20 | dvs | aha! |
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| 20:38.47 | jelly-home | ,depends php5 |
| 20:38.48 | judd | Package php5 -- depends: libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.3.3-7) | libapache2-mod-php5filter (>= 5.3.3-7) | php5-cgi (>= 5.3.3-7), php5-common (>= 5.3.3-7). |
| 20:39.01 | dvs | jelly-home: You're late! |
| 20:39.11 | jelly-home | but I'm stable |
| 20:39.16 | dvs | heh |
| 20:39.19 | dvs | goes mad |
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| 20:45.06 | ChronicSyncope | I'm getting a dependency headache trying to install wine |
| 20:45.07 | ChronicSyncope | are there 32bit dependencies i have to enable on x64 debian? |
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| 20:47.32 | rudi_s | ChronicSyncope: AFAIK the wine .deb contains the necessary stuff. - Haven't tried it in a while though, I compile wine on my own. |
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| 20:52.34 | ChronicSyncope | right now i'm stuck on |
| 20:52.36 | ChronicSyncope | lib32asound2 |
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| 20:53.50 | ZykoticK9 | ChronicSyncope, lib32asound2 is an installable package (in Squeeze anyways) |
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| 20:54.04 | ChronicSyncope | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.04 | ChronicSyncope | E: Broken packages |
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| 20:55.15 | twobitsprite | ChronicSyncope: where are you installing these from?> |
| 20:55.28 | obiwahn | http://paste.debian.net/116028/ - what could cause this messages - could this be a libpam bug? |
| 20:55.56 | ZykoticK9 | ChronicSyncope, it installed successfully here? |
| 20:55.56 | ChronicSyncope | twobitsprite, squeeze backports |
| 20:55.58 | ChronicSyncope | i would assume |
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| 20:56.16 | ChronicSyncope | hmm... i might not have all of the debian repositories |
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| 20:56.34 | twobitsprite | ChronicSyncope: yeah, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:57.13 | ChronicSyncope | http://pastebin.com/uCuhcMhJ |
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| 20:58.38 | twobitsprite | ChronicSyncope: you should also have squeeze-updates in there too, but I don't think that's your problem |
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| 20:59.21 | twobitsprite | but it might be, so go ahead and add that (/msg dpkg squeeze-updates) and try it again |
| 21:00.04 | Spec | Hello. It seems like this bug is still present in wget-1.11.4-2+lenny2, but it was reported in 2007. Am I reading the bug report wrong? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=409938 |
| 21:00.49 | ChronicSyncope | twobitsprite, I believe i update from the#! repo, i just didn't paste that section. Could wine be coming from there instead of debian? |
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| 21:01.40 | phantomcircuit | I've noticed that there are conflicting ideas of where to put virtualhosts |
| 21:01.52 | twobitsprite | ChronicSyncope: please paste your full sources.list... also, check "apt-cache policy wine" |
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| 21:03.00 | twobitsprite | phantomcircuit: that depends entirely on what you're trying to do |
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| 21:03.29 | twobitsprite | iluminator101: what distro are you on? |
| 21:03.45 | iluminator101 | squeeze |
| 21:03.45 | ChronicSyncope | twobitsprite, http://pastebin.com/MVpHUvR2 |
| 21:03.49 | twobitsprite | ,versions xulrunner |
| 21:03.51 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'xulrunner' was found in i386. |
| 21:03.54 | twobitsprite | ,versions xulrunner-2.0 |
| 21:03.56 | judd | Package xulrunner-2.0 on i386 -- experimental: 2.0.1-2 |
| 21:03.57 | phantomcircuit | twobitsprite, trying to run virtual hosts with suexec |
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| 21:05.26 | ChronicSyncope | this is the real problem i'm having thourgh |
| 21:05.30 | twobitsprite | ChronicSyncope: so, it is being installed from squeeze... what was that you were saying about a section you left out of your sources.list? |
| 21:05.39 | ChronicSyncope | huh? no |
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| 21:05.48 | ChronicSyncope | one sec, let me paste my whole sources list and my problem |
| 21:05.50 | twobitsprite | phantomcircuit: are these virtual hosts going to be hosting the same directory/pages |
| 21:06.12 | phantomcircuit | twobitsprite, no unique content per virtualhost |
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| 21:08.19 | ChronicSyncope | twobitsprite, http://pastebin.com/r1QXiVjA |
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| 21:11.31 | twobitsprite | phantomcircuit: then I'd say it makes sense to give each vhost it's own directory |
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| 21:12.21 | twobitsprite | ChronicSyncope: ok, now check apt-cache policy libasound2 |
| 21:12.27 | twobitsprite | ,versions libasound2 |
| 21:12.28 | judd | Package libasound2 on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.16-2; lenny-backports: 1.0.23-2.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.0.23-2.1; sid: 1.0.23-3; wheezy: 1.0.23-3 |
| 21:12.49 | twobitsprite | squeeze has the correct version that the wine packages are looking for |
| 21:13.06 | ChronicSyncope | for wine in the repo, but i'm trying to install wine from the latest deb |
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| 21:13.36 | twobitsprite | ChronicSyncope: I asked you where you were installing it from, and you said the repo |
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| 21:14.08 | ChronicSyncope | nope, i said i was installing lib32asound2 from the repo |
| 21:14.37 | ChronicSyncope | or trying |
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| 21:15.16 | twobitsprite | ChronicSyncope: well... we don't support the wine deb you're trying to install... but the lib32asound2 from the debian repo should install |
| 21:15.31 | twobitsprite | what does apt-cache policy libasound2 say? |
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| 21:16.00 | ChronicSyncope | http://pastebin.com/3m4K5WnB |
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| 21:16.52 | twobitsprite | ChronicSyncope: looks like you have one installed from somewhere else |
| 21:17.06 | ChronicSyncope | twobitsprite, can i just try removing it and reinstalling from the repo? |
| 21:17.11 | twobitsprite | ChronicSyncope: sure |
| 21:17.42 | ChronicSyncope | lol i think it just uninstalled google chrome. |
| 21:17.50 | ChronicSyncope | and vlc |
| 21:17.51 | ChronicSyncope | and conky |
| 21:17.56 | ChronicSyncope | and a bunch of other shit |
| 21:18.13 | twobitsprite | ChronicSyncope: yep, probably that crunchbang stuff that pulled in a newer version of libasound2 |
| 21:18.49 | ChronicSyncope | conky is the only #! thing, i think vlc is from debian, and and i installed chrome from a deb |
| 21:18.49 | twobitsprite | really, you should be in #crunchbang |
| 21:19.00 | debrocks | jelly-home: thanks man, i had to modify the commands you gave and install something, but it worked as you said |
| 21:19.19 | ChronicSyncope | twobitsprite, probably, but i feel like i get more help here |
| 21:19.26 | twobitsprite | ChronicSyncope: well... you got the newer libasound2 somewhere else, and those other packages depend on some version of libasound2, so they had to be installed |
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| 21:20.05 | twobitsprite | er, uninstalled. |
| 21:20.08 | pierreghz | Hi guys, I've got a problem with my nvidia kernel module, modprobe nvidia > "FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko): No such device". Anynody got an idea how to solve this? |
| 21:20.35 | ChronicSyncope | well now i'm running into the strangest problem |
| 21:20.40 | ChronicSyncope | i uninstalled it, but it says its still installed |
| 21:20.43 | twobitsprite | ChronicSyncope: anyways, check apt-cache policy libasound2 again after you removed it and make sure it's pulling the right version from the squeeze repo |
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| 21:21.21 | ChronicSyncope | twobitsprite, it says it's still installed |
| 21:21.49 | twobitsprite | ChronicSyncope: sounds broked to me... you should go see if the #crunchbang people can help you |
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| 21:33.09 | ChronicSyncope | crickets :p |
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| 21:34.22 | apeiron | I have a question regarding building packages. A lot of docs I see refer to a '.changes file' but I can't find anything documenting how to create one. I've looked through the policy manual, various manpages, google, etc. but am not finding anything definitive. Can someone point me to something clear and definitive explaining what those files are and how to create one? |
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| 21:34.41 | dondelelcaro | apeiron: dpkg-buildpackage generates them |
| 21:34.47 | dondelelcaro | apeiron: specifically, dpkg-genchanges |
| 21:35.34 | dondelelcaro | apeiron: their purpose is for archive uploads; if you're not uploading to a Debian archive, you generally don't care about them. |
| 21:35.36 | apeiron | dondelelcaro, I saw that, yes. Maybe I missed it, but I don't think I saw that command described in the policy manual, so there's still a gap in how to go from what the policy manual says to that program. =\ |
| 21:35.51 | dondelelcaro | apeiron: policy doesn't explain absolutely everything |
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| 21:35.54 | apeiron | ah |
| 21:35.56 | apeiron | darn |
| 21:36.12 | dondelelcaro | apeiron: but that's why we have documentation in the manpages |
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| 21:36.24 | dondelelcaro | (and documentation like devref and the nm guide) |
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| 21:36.52 | apeiron | dondelelcaro, okay. to be clear: I want to create repos that folk can apt-get install from, and also upload to PPAs for Ubuntu. AFAIU I need .changes files for this. |
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| 21:37.40 | dondelelcaro | apeiron: yes, you do. So use pdebuild or similar, which calls dpkg-buildpackage with appropriate options to build the .changes file and everything else |
| 21:37.52 | dondelelcaro | apeiron: devref an the nm guide covers how to do this |
| 21:38.09 | apeiron | dondelelcaro, okie. This will reference the control files I've already written, yes? |
| 21:38.26 | dondelelcaro | apeiron: it uses debian/control, yes. |
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| 21:38.32 | apeiron | excellent. |
| 21:38.35 | dondelelcaro | (and debian/changelog, amongst other things) |
| 21:38.50 | apeiron | I think this will fill in the gaps, thanks. :D |
| 21:39.25 | dondelelcaro | apeiron: but anyway, you should really be using cowbuilder and pdebuild... not whatever mechanism you're using now to build the packages |
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| 21:40.07 | apeiron | dondelelcaro, fair enough. Just dpkg -b right now, it was the simplest thing that could possibly work and I had a lot of other stuff to build on top. |
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| 21:41.32 | dondelelcaro | apeiron: dpkg-deb -b isn't what you want to use at all... |
| 21:42.08 | dondelelcaro | that's used for actually assembling the package by other commands; you shouldn't be calling it directly in normal cases |
| 21:42.14 | apeiron | dondelelcaro, right. Consider it prototyping without strict/warnings. ;) |
| 21:42.58 | apeiron | Now all the other harder stuff is working, I want to do this part properly, too. |
| 21:42.58 | dondelelcaro | more like prototyping by brute force... but it's your time and effort... |
| 21:43.01 | MarkG234 | Hi, I have a very minimal debian, but I want to add ntpd, however the following does not work: apt-get install ntp |
| 21:43.38 | dondelelcaro | !tell MarkG234 -about doesn't work |
| 21:43.49 | twobitsprite | dondelelcaro: beat me to it :P |
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| 21:44.36 | MarkG234 | Package ntp is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 21:44.48 | twobitsprite | ,versions ntp |
| 21:44.51 | judd | Package ntp on i386 -- lenny: 1:4.2.4p4+dfsg-8lenny3; lenny-security: 1:4.2.4p4+dfsg-8lenny3; squeeze: 1:4.2.6.p2+dfsg-1+b1; sid: 1:4.2.6.p2+dfsg-1+b2; wheezy: 1:4.2.6.p2+dfsg-1+b2 |
| 21:45.03 | twobitsprite | MarkG234: when you say "minimal", what do you mean? |
| 21:45.10 | dondelelcaro | MarkG234: what is the output of apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy ntp; |
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| 21:45.14 | apeiron | MarkG234, presumably your repos in sources.list don't have that package. |
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| 21:46.21 | daemonkeeper | apeiron: No, that would cause a HTTP 404 error. |
| 21:46.34 | apeiron | ah |
| 21:46.49 | twobitsprite | daemonkeeper: not if the package isn't even listed in the package list for that repo |
| 21:46.50 | dondelelcaro | no, it wouldn't cause a 404. |
| 21:47.00 | dondelelcaro | unless the repo was broken |
| 21:47.18 | twobitsprite | dondelelcaro: of if you haven't run "aptitude update" in a very long time |
| 21:47.42 | apeiron | My reasoning for the above is if you search for "apeironsmadeuppackagename" it won't be found no matter what, since the repos don't have it. which is what MarkG234 is seeing. |
| 21:47.52 | apeiron | maybe I'm wrong though. :) |
| 21:47.56 | MarkG234 | hmm weird, I just did a apt-get update and now it sees it. |
| 21:47.59 | twobitsprite | apeiron: no, you're correct |
| 21:48.03 | apeiron | \o/ |
| 21:48.17 | MarkG234 | looks like apt is being rather misleading about the problems. |
| 21:48.20 | dondelelcaro | MarkG234: you probably had updated your sources.list, and hadn't run an apt-get update or similar. |
| 21:48.36 | twobitsprite | MarkG234: are you running testing/wheezy? |
| 21:48.37 | dondelelcaro | MarkG234: no, that's apt telling you that it doesn't know about the package, which is the case, because you hadn't run apt-get update |
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| 21:48.50 | MarkG234 | well I ran it last week! |
| 21:48.59 | apeiron | that's a long time ago! |
| 21:49.03 | dondelelcaro | or alternatively, if this is testing, ntp may have been temporarily removed |
| 21:49.13 | dondelelcaro | (but I can't remember if that was the case) |
| 21:49.37 | MarkG234 | I was running Squeeze when it was testing, but I think I am running Squeeze now (no testing) |
| 21:49.41 | twobitsprite | MarkG234: lesson is: when in doubt, run aptitude update |
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| 21:50.14 | daemonkeeper | What I meant was: A package being declared not available by apt, can't be caused because of a mirror out of synchronization, since the package list is not generated on the mirror (of course) |
| 21:50.20 | MarkG234 | I don't have aptitude, I don't want my flash filled up with multiple update programs. apt seems lighter. |
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| 21:50.42 | twobitsprite | MarkG234: apt-get update then... whatever |
| 21:51.05 | twobitsprite | however, I do recommend aptitude over apt-get |
| 21:51.21 | twobitsprite | !tell MarkG234 -about why aptitude |
| 21:51.29 | twobitsprite | but either works really |
| 21:51.32 | daemonkeeper | Yet you can get HTTP 404 errors, if a package is not on a mirror anymore, if you did not update your local package cache (-> apt-get update) |
| 21:51.53 | daemonkeeper | twobitsprite: or "why not aptitude" ... |
| 21:52.17 | twobitsprite | daemonkeeper: true... pros/cons, etc... just trying to be informative |
| 21:54.27 | twobitsprite | (although, aptitude only takes up 12MB) |
| 21:55.22 | MarkG234 | on a 512MB flash on my Sheevaplug, that's quite a lot for a updater.... |
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| 21:55.47 | daemonkeeper | There are not many reasons to use aptitude if you don't ever touch interactive mode. |
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| 21:59.26 | trurl | Im not sure what is happening here: im adding a second ipv6-address in /etc/network/interfaces with up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 inet6 add nnnn:nnnn:nnnn:nn::nn/64 - the output of ifconfig states: inet6 addr: nnnn:nnnn:nnnn:nn::nn/128 Scope:Global - should it not say "/64" |
| 21:59.41 | trurl | ? |
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| 22:04.34 | leagris | trurl, it should indeed |
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| 22:05.34 | leagris | Or is it the fact that there are no route and network mask setup |
| 22:05.50 | sonic | if you add something to /etc/cron.daily/ do you need to run a '/etc/init.d/cron restart' to make it discover the new script? |
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| 22:06.33 | leagris | trurl, Here I get my IPv6 conf from Router Advert |
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| 22:08.33 | leagris | sonic, the main crontab has a call to run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily and thus it will launch any executable in the directory |
| 22:09.02 | sonic | leagris: right, that's what I thought - except the script I added didn't run |
| 22:09.13 | wolfric | Any indication why debian doesn't have a package for metasploit (other than nobody bothered to make one yet) |
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| 22:10.27 | leagris | sonic, most cron script issues are due to path and environment issue and if you forgot execute and proper header #!/pathto/interpreter |
| 22:11.07 | sonic | it all looked ok, but I'll check again |
| 22:11.18 | trurl | leagris: http://nopaste.me/paste/15298502434dc1ceb42bd58 - maybe i'm missing something or i'm doing something wrong.. |
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| 22:13.55 | ompaul | !smart questions |
| 22:13.55 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
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| 22:17.19 | leagris | trurl, look like ok |
| 22:17.50 | leagris | trurl, are you adding two global scope IPv6 to the eth0 interface? |
| 22:18.30 | leagris | if so, are these two IP from the same network block? |
| 22:19.45 | trurl | leagris: yes, from the same /64 subnet |
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| 22:24.50 | Big_Brother | how do i go about fixing my internets? suddenly my netbook doesn't wanna go online. |
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| 22:26.47 | toxboi | Big_Brother: how do you connect to internet? |
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| 22:27.18 | leagris | trurl, did you try adding the /64 to the address as you do for the up script ifconfig? |
| 22:27.19 | Big_Brother | toxboi: ethernet to an unmanaged gigabit switch. |
| 22:27.41 | SilentAssassin | do all debians and stuff have sftp built in? |
| 22:27.47 | SilentAssassin | because i cant connect to my machine over sftp |
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| 22:28.09 | leagris | trurl, if i ifconfig eth0 inet6 add address without /64 it assign /128 |
| 22:28.48 | trurl | leagris: the address showing the /128 in ifconfig is the one added with the "up ifconfig add .../64" |
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| 22:30.02 | leagris | trurl did the test in a shell here |
| 22:30.07 | toxboi | Big_Brother: check if the eth0 is up using ifconfig |
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| 22:30.45 | toxboi | Big_Brother: else use, sudo ifconfig eht0 up |
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| 22:31.21 | SilentAssassin | ? |
| 22:31.24 | trurl | leagris: okay, thats strange, i did a ifconfig del and a ifconfig add (exactly as in /etc/network/interfaces) and now it's shown right |
| 22:31.36 | leagris | Big_Brother, either check with ethtool if the ethernet get a proper signal |
| 22:31.39 | trurl | i dont understand this :| |
| 22:32.03 | themill | SilentAssassin: you need to install the ssh server package. (aptitude install ssh) |
| 22:32.29 | leagris | trurl, may be use the post-up call because when you setup with up it calls too early before getting the network mask |
| 22:33.15 | leagris | or either use virtual interface setting eth0:1 |
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| 22:33.55 | trurl | leagris: this doesnt work with ipv6, afair |
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| 22:34.25 | SilentAssassin | themill and that is all? |
| 22:34.33 | Big_Brother | leagris: i don't have ethtool installed. :/ |
| 22:34.42 | wolfric | i could be wrong, but didn't debian used to use numbers in /etc/debian_version? i've got wheezy/sid in there |
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| 22:35.03 | themill | dpkg: tell wolfric about wheezy/sid |
| 22:35.19 | themill | SilentAssassin: as long as you've not done something odd in setting up a firewall or similar, yes. |
| 22:35.35 | leagris | trurl, the best I could find is example here http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-linux-ipv6-virtual-additional-configuration/ |
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| 22:36.15 | leagris | only difference with your setup is the: pre-up modprobe ipv6 |
| 22:36.31 | SilentAssassin | thanks man |
| 22:36.35 | SilentAssassin | it works great |
| 22:36.47 | toxboi | SilentAssassin: You need to run openssh server. |
| 22:36.52 | toxboi | SilentAssassin: http://c.hotu.in/misj1 |
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| 22:38.14 | trurl | leagris: ic, i'll try that! thanks |
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| 22:41.07 | fcn | this synaptic software sources driving me crazy. I cannot update sources list anymore. it keeps throwing 404 errors. |
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| 22:42.47 | dserban | What do most people do when setting up apache load balancing for logging statistics? ssh/cat/merge scripts? or is there a native tool in apache that logs it all to one destination? |
| 22:43.12 | MrFrood | fcn: try another mirror |
| 22:43.18 | dserban | fcn: use your browser to confirm the 404, then work from ther |
| 22:43.26 | dserban | or do what mrfrood said :P |
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| 22:45.14 | dserban | or pointing to the same file via nfs mount? ... sounds exremely icky |
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| 22:47.03 | fcn | hmmm |
| 22:47.28 | fcn | i was trying different mirrors already but now it installed one package finally |
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| 22:48.42 | fcn | here is the situation: http://pastebin.com/Xk549VUc |
| 22:49.09 | fcn | after that it wasn't installing a package, but now it did few minutes ago... |
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| 23:17.10 | phantomcircuit | installing libapache2-mod-php5 isn't installing the php5.load file under /etc/apache |
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| 23:19.18 | skamikaze | phantomcircuit: got meta package php5-common installed? |
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| 23:20.10 | phantomcircuit | skamikaze, yup |
| 23:21.35 | skamikaze | did you look in mods-available / mods-enabled? |
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| 23:27.14 | phantomcircuit | skamikaze, i purged and reinstalled and now it's there... but even though the module appears to be loading php files aren't being run as php |
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| 23:28.05 | skamikaze | check your php.ini, maybe reconfigure it |
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| 23:29.42 | phantomcircuit | skamikaze, lol im so confused, the index.php file is being downloaded, but everything else works |
| 23:29.43 | phantomcircuit | ?!? |
| 23:29.57 | skamikaze | got a .htaccess there? |
| 23:30.04 | george_ | Hello Everyone, a very quick question, folloing a dpkg --set-selections dselect-upgrade returns with no changes, any ideas? |
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| 23:31.52 | themill | dpkg: tell phantomcircuit about php wants me to download still |
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| 23:33.42 | phantomcircuit | themill, ah it was caching, chrome seems to be overly aggressive with caching html pages |
| 23:33.44 | dserban | what is the new "method" to set the vesa mode for the console on the kernel command line? it tells me vga is deprecated... what'd I miss? |
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| 23:37.46 | thepro4ever | how do i spawn a new terminal? |
| 23:37.57 | thepro4ever | a new terminal with the same path as my current path |
| 23:38.12 | thepro4ever | same path on the command prompt that is |
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| 23:41.45 | jhutchins_lt | How does one wrap a block of text in vi? |
| 23:41.47 | s3phir0th115 | Anyone happen to know if the Debian Multimedia packages get security updates? |
| 23:42.00 | jhutchins_lt | Existing text? |
| 23:42.04 | s3phir0th115 | I know it's not official Debian stuff technically, but I figured someone here may know |
| 23:42.15 | jhutchins_lt | s3phir0th115: Usually. |
| 23:42.20 | BlackFate | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.51 | BlackFate | s3phir0th115, they dont care for security fixes.. they cant even make the actual packages work |
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| 23:43.05 | jhutchins_lt | s3phir0th115: Kinda have to watch security-announce and check to see if the updates apply to dmm and if they've been made. It's not unknown for the dmm package to already have the patch. |
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| 23:44.18 | s3phir0th115 | Ahh. My solution so far has been to hold back VLC from upgrading. I mainly use them to be able to stream with VLC and have all the needed codecs, etc |
| 23:44.41 | kgoetz | jhutchins_lt: what level of wrap? ? try shift j to pull two lines together |
| 23:44.51 | kgoetz | i forget offhand how to wrap to N chars |
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| 23:45.28 | jhutchins_lt | kgoetz: Several paragraphs without linebreaks need to be wrapped to fit 80 columns. |
| 23:45.43 | robokop | jhutchins_lt: gq a visual block |
| 23:45.44 | jhutchins_lt | kgoetz: Yeah, I use it so seldom I don't remember. |
| 23:45.49 | jhutchins_lt | gq? |
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| 23:46.26 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, excellent, thank you. |
| 23:46.52 | kgoetz | robokop: cheers from me too :) |
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| 23:48.38 | jhutchins_lt | kgoetz: It's just gq, no esc. |
| 23:48.51 | robokop | jhutchins_lt: or gq<motion> |
| 23:48.51 | jhutchins_lt | kgoetz: Defaults to a sensible width. |
| 23:49.09 | robokop | kgoetz: or set the textwidth variable |
| 23:49.29 | robokop | kgoetz: ':set textwidth=75' |
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| 23:50.43 | jhutchins_lt | kgoetz: I think that only applies to new text. |
| 23:51.00 | kgoetz | thanks both |
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| 23:52.11 | robokop | jhutchins_lt: the gq also uses the textwidth |
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| 23:53.58 | robokop | jhutchins_lt: you should try gggqG while editing some code once, is real fun to see what it makes of it |
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| 23:59.11 | jhutchins_lt | once eh? |
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| 23:59.21 | jhutchins_lt | Should I save first? |
| 23:59.33 | robokop | well a single undo would suffice |
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