| 00:00.07 | nvz | jhutchins_lt: what is that you were talking about? vi or something? |
| 00:00.42 | nvz | I've seen the letters gq used before an I never understood what it meant |
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| 00:04.15 | cusco | something wrong with intel driver / xorg on testign? |
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| 00:09.32 | nvz | cusco: you tell me, you're apparently using it.. I have nvidia on here and am using stable |
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| 00:10.33 | cusco | nvidia on testing seems fine, I upgraded packages today at work |
| 00:10.46 | cusco | my systemsetup here is dodgy so I ain't sure |
| 00:10.54 | nvz | for the record, it usually works best to describe your issue so that people who aren't standing in the rain eating popcorn at precicely 2:15pm on the 2nd tuesday of the month 13deg from the equator might be able to help.. heh |
| 00:11.14 | cusco | X starts but freezes, and if I use sysrq + k |
| 00:11.31 | cusco | I can get back to console, but the arrow from X stays on screen |
| 00:11.54 | nvz | sounds like a framebuffer thing as you describe it |
| 00:12.23 | nvz | you can't change to say tty1 with ctrl+alt+f1? |
| 00:12.31 | cusco | while on X, no |
| 00:12.38 | cusco | or if I do, I don't see it |
| 00:12.59 | nvz | hmm.. sounds like in order to debug such an issue you will need ssh access |
| 00:13.31 | cusco | wich I do have |
| 00:13.36 | cusco | but I left laptop at work today |
| 00:13.50 | nvz | to address your original inquiry.. you could always try rolling back the updates and see.. but I assume you already know its related to the upgrade |
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| 00:14.19 | cusco | I guess I will just wait it out if I'm not able to debug it |
| 00:14.58 | nvz | yeah or try it while flying a kite in a hail storm, standing on one foot while chewing bubblegum and speed dating |
| 00:15.20 | cusco | I would like to do all those :P |
| 00:15.41 | cusco | I menat wit for new updates |
| 00:15.49 | cusco | I could use vesa |
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| 00:16.28 | nvz | yeah thats what I'd try. if you know it happened after an update, I'd try a diff driver like vesa, and if that works you know its something to do with the intel driver |
| 00:17.29 | nvz | I'd also of course look at the various logs, like the x log, the dmesg log..etc.. looking for abnormalities |
| 00:18.01 | nvz | keep in mind these kinda drivers are one part xorg one part kernel.. |
| 00:18.37 | cusco | I'm aware |
| 00:18.40 | cusco | happened again |
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| 00:19.06 | cusco | anmd now I have a arrow in irssi |
| 00:19.07 | cusco | lol |
| 00:19.08 | nvz | cusco: so you do have the machine with the issue, but not an extra machine to access it via ssh? |
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| 00:19.24 | cusco | no, but I got back to console now |
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| 00:19.43 | nvz | cusco: are you using a debian kernel? |
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| 00:19.58 | cusco | yes |
| 00:20.10 | nvz | cusco: did the kernel get updated as well in this upgrade? |
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| 00:20.18 | cusco | http://pastebin.com/2aWMdpqx |
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| 00:20.25 | cusco | that was a /exec -o dmesg|pastebinit |
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| 00:21.46 | cusco | and xorg: |
| 00:21.53 | iluminator101 | i tried to install iceweasel 4 but it required libcairo2 1.10, if i install that it would destabilze my system...is there any other way installing iceweasel 4 without having to do that |
| 00:22.07 | cusco | http://pastebin.com/FwV1d6qa |
| 00:22.57 | nvz | cusco: looking over the dmesg now.. lines 126 and 127 are a bit curious to me |
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| 00:23.30 | cusco | nvz: sorry what do they have? |
| 00:23.54 | nvz | cusco: Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 \n console [tty0] enabled |
| 00:24.13 | nvz | never seen those before but skipping it for now until I read everything |
| 00:24.44 | nvz | cusco: it also seems curious to me that you have an amd64 kernel with a P4.. I didnt know those things could run 64bit |
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| 00:25.00 | cusco | nvz: pts a pentium d |
| 00:25.23 | nvz | cusco: I figured it was one of the newer socket 775 chips |
| 00:25.28 | cusco | also when I boot, module i915 is loaded but not with modeset=1 |
| 00:25.32 | nvz | cusco: kernel says its a P4 though |
| 00:25.48 | cusco | yea |
| 00:25.55 | cusco | it hasn't dual core neither, it has HT |
| 00:26.25 | cusco | so, I can rmmod the module then and modprobe it with modeset=1 |
| 00:26.40 | cusco | startx does it for me tho.. |
| 00:27.09 | nvz | cusco: I bought a P4 system (newer 775 with HT) for a client recently.. whole system ran me under $100 USD 2.8 w/ 512mb ram, 320gb hdd.. I was AMAZED by its performance even before I added the extra 512MB ram |
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| 00:27.41 | cusco | but now that I hae mouse pointer arrow in screen (while on console lol) and I cannot rmmod the module |
| 00:27.53 | cusco | nvz: yes, this machine was pretty cheap too |
| 00:28.00 | nvz | not even forced unloading? |
| 00:28.09 | cusco | 100 ¤ including screen |
| 00:28.15 | cusco | nvz: you mean with -f ? |
| 00:28.31 | cusco | it froze my system just before and I had to physically reboot it |
| 00:28.34 | nvz | cusco: yeah I mean I wouldnt try yanking it just yet.. could leave you in a world of hurt |
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| 00:29.25 | cusco | im not sure it is a pentium d or a p4, I liked it when I noticed it did not neglet amd64 kernel |
| 00:29.32 | nvz | I seemed to think that P4 system with onboard intel gfx outperformed this AMD Turion X2 w/ GeForce 8200 laptop with 4 times the ram |
| 00:29.39 | cusco | I added ram and disks |
| 00:29.58 | nvz | in nearly every category |
| 00:30.01 | cusco | nah! |
| 00:30.10 | cusco | in gfx wouldn't |
| 00:30.13 | cusco | ah wayt |
| 00:30.14 | cusco | 8200 |
| 00:30.19 | cusco | well... |
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| 00:30.25 | cusco | what about bogomips? |
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| 00:30.36 | cusco | you could run gtkperf to measure :p |
| 00:31.00 | nvz | idk man.. I can bog down this laptop.. that new system I built even with second life (3d party graphic intensive app), Hulu (flash streaming video) and everything I could throw at it running, it was still going strong and hihgly responsive |
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| 00:31.38 | g_ | hi |
| 00:31.52 | cusco | dunno |
| 00:31.56 | nvz | it was for an older couple for mostly light surfing.. so I was just testing it for practical useage.. not really benchmarking it |
| 00:32.04 | g_ | trying to dco some compiling, and running into an issue - "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX11". host is 64 bits. what do i need to do? |
| 00:32.05 | cusco | I use this machine as a home server'ish |
| 00:32.23 | g_ | using squeeze |
| 00:32.40 | fredden | g_ if it's a debian package, have you got all its build-deps? |
| 00:32.43 | nvz | I was rather impressed by the newer P4 line.. dirt cheap hardware and it performs well |
| 00:32.50 | cusco | g_: I dunno but perhaps a google search for taht error would help |
| 00:33.09 | g_ | cusco well, it's libx11 |
| 00:33.12 | cusco | nvz: only shame is power consumption and cpu temperatures |
| 00:33.35 | g_ | fredden: i grabbed all the x11 dev packages i could find! |
| 00:33.56 | nvz | cusco: yeah which reminds me I meant to advise them to get extra case fans.. haha.. I forgot to tell em that |
| 00:34.31 | cusco | but that's ok |
| 00:34.37 | cusco | performs well yes |
| 00:34.51 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:34.57 | cusco | it has more bogomips than my turion x2 |
| 00:35.02 | nvz | cusco: are you certain you have the latest kernel.. cause that looks like its the exact same kernel version I have on this machine running stable |
| 00:35.03 | g_ | cusco: also googling doesn't actually return anything of use |
| 00:35.21 | cusco | g_: perhaps it would be a common enough error ... |
| 00:35.26 | cusco | worth a try to |
| 00:35.34 | g_ | cusco: i have |
| 00:35.43 | fredden | g_, is this for a debian package, or something else? |
| 00:35.51 | cusco | nvz: ouch you hit menow |
| 00:36.01 | g_ | fredden: compiling android |
| 00:36.05 | g_ | i see this: "/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libX11.so when searching for -lX11" |
| 00:36.06 | fredden | g_, have you got the "build-essential" package? |
| 00:36.21 | cusco | nvz: I was using squeeze when squeeze was testing, and I am trying to run xorg in a chroot with testing apt sources |
| 00:36.32 | cusco | while host kernel is actually squeeze |
| 00:36.33 | cusco | damn |
| 00:36.41 | cusco | I din't realize that till now |
| 00:36.49 | fredden | g_, could it be a 64-bit vs 32-bit issue? |
| 00:37.18 | g_ | and libX11.so is a symlink to libX11.so.6.3.0 |
| 00:37.20 | cusco | fredden: something about ldconfig re-generating all the links to libs ? |
| 00:37.34 | g_ | fredden: i think so, but android needs to be compiled onto a 64bit machine |
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| 00:37.54 | cusco | nvz: ok so its explained. I either downgrade chroot or upgrade host senvironment |
| 00:37.57 | cusco | gah |
| 00:38.08 | SilentAssassin | i put export DERBY_HOME="/home/blablaba" |
| 00:38.17 | SilentAssassin | i restart debian and in terminal the shit is undefined |
| 00:38.35 | SilentAssassin | i mean |
| 00:38.41 | SilentAssassin | it is undefined in the root shell |
| 00:38.53 | cusco | if you restated yes |
| 00:39.09 | SilentAssassin | in the other shell it's there |
| 00:39.15 | cusco | if you wan't to make it stick add it to your bashrc or something |
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| 00:39.31 | cusco | SilentAssassin: that shell was open prior to setting it |
| 00:39.51 | dserban | so which document tells me how to properly set my console resolution? other than the vga command on the kernel cmdline? as it appears to be deprecated? |
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| 00:39.56 | cusco | nvz: are you there? |
| 00:40.07 | jetscreamer | set? |
| 00:41.18 | SilentAssassin | so what can i do when i want some scripts get start on startup |
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| 00:41.44 | cusco | crontab @reboot |
| 00:41.52 | cusco | init scripts under rc.d |
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| 00:42.25 | SilentAssassin | rc.d |
| 00:42.28 | cusco | sorry |
| 00:42.36 | cusco | I meant /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 00:42.40 | SilentAssassin | oh |
| 00:42.44 | jetscreamer | !rc.local |
| 00:42.44 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is regarded as a hack, consider writing a real init script instead, ask me about <init.d>. |
| 00:42.47 | cusco | that |
| 00:42.51 | cusco | I was not recalling |
| 00:43.24 | nvz | cusco: yeah I'm still pissing with this data you gave.. pastebin is being a pain in my ass.. I'm used to paste.debian.net |
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| 00:43.46 | cusco | nvz: pastebinit has no option for paste.debian.net does it? |
| 00:43.50 | cusco | nvz: you can stop now |
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| 00:44.01 | cusco | the kernel doifference should be the problem |
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| 00:44.10 | cusco | nvz: did you read what I said before? |
| 00:44.18 | cusco | I am actually on a squeeze's kernel |
| 00:44.21 | nvz | cusco: can you see what 1028:01ad is in your lspci out of curiousity? HCL is saying its a Dell Optiplex GX620 or something |
| 00:44.26 | nvz | cusco: I seen that |
| 00:44.39 | cusco | hold... |
| 00:45.54 | cusco | I can fid sever claiming to be subsystem of 01ad |
| 00:46.05 | cusco | http://pastebin.com/Lws73qWe |
| 00:46.07 | cusco | another paste |
| 00:46.08 | cusco | lol |
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| 00:46.31 | cusco | -b pastebin url |
| 00:46.57 | cusco | debian.paste.org is not on supported list |
| 00:47.01 | nvz | cusco: I summarized your dmesg down to http://paste.debian.net/116050/ just the relevant stuff and its all as I thought at first glance |
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| 00:47.15 | nvz | the issue was that when I copy from pastebin it gives me extra # character I dont want |
| 00:47.27 | cusco | click on download as text |
| 00:47.28 | nvz | I normally have condensing of info automated |
| 00:47.40 | cusco | )it used to have that option... or was that rfb ?= |
| 00:47.45 | nvz | cusco: good point.. just not the way I'm used to doing it |
| 00:48.10 | SolomonKull | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.30 | cusco | pastebinit has support for paste2.org |
| 00:48.36 | nvz | cusco: the two main things that jump out at me is you are using the same kernel as me on stable, and you said you're using testing.. and as I said initially seems like a FB issue.. you are using fb it seems |
| 00:48.41 | cusco | http://paste2.org/p/1399629 |
| 00:49.18 | cusco | nvz: I thought dpkg would configure xserver-xorg to not use krenel frame buffer by default |
| 00:49.31 | cusco | at least when it used to ask, NO was always selected in sarge's days |
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| 00:50.06 | cusco | or lenny |
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| 00:50.14 | nvz | cusco: yeah I always found FB to be a royal PITA |
| 00:50.22 | jetscreamer | dserban i think dpkg-reconfigure console-common or console-data , but i forget |
| 00:50.29 | cusco | pita lool |
| 00:50.59 | nvz | cusco: for all I know thats just how intel 915 works.. cause DRM is bringing up the FB device |
| 00:51.23 | nvz | from what I can tell |
| 00:51.31 | dserban | jetscreamer: I think I found something that "fits" .. GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=resolution in /etc/default/grub .. works .. and nothing complains. |
| 00:51.35 | cusco | ow... |
| 00:51.42 | cusco | I was going to ask how would I disable it... |
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| 00:53.51 | nvz | cusco: the xorg log looks fairly textbook.. just some complaining about ACPI and usual issues probing various things looking for the card |
| 00:54.07 | nvz | but nothing that would suggest the issues |
| 00:54.34 | cusco | yea.. |
| 00:54.36 | nvz | seems kernel related and I summerized your relevant dmesg info down to just this http://paste.debian.net/116050/ |
| 00:54.42 | cusco | the last paste was lspci |
| 00:54.43 | jetscreamer | you can blacklist the fb, iirc i had to once |
| 00:54.49 | jetscreamer | wanders off |
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| 00:55.52 | cusco | nvz: could you return the download as text link ? |
| 00:56.08 | cusco | so its readable for me? (not using X) |
| 00:56.27 | nvz | cusco: http://paste.debian.net/download/116050 or http://paste.debian.net/plain/116050 |
| 00:56.43 | cusco | jetscreamer: I could try that, is the modulename 'fb' |
| 00:56.54 | cusco | ah plain |
| 00:56.54 | cusco | ok |
| 00:57.21 | cusco | that last SaK was sysrq trigger + K |
| 00:57.26 | g_ | ok problem solved |
| 00:57.35 | g_ | i needed to create some extra symlinks in /usr/lib32 |
| 00:57.38 | nvz | cusco: yeah I know, but its relevant to the issue and what you did |
| 00:58.04 | cusco | well the kernel is probably the cause |
| 00:58.08 | g_ | dunno how much more i have to go to compile android, but it's a pita |
| 00:58.10 | cusco | and I'm not really worried |
| 00:58.14 | nvz | cusco: as is the kernel version which I didn't verify but I highly doubt the latest testing kernel is the same as the one I got in stable |
| 00:58.20 | cusco | I was going to watch a film |
| 00:58.23 | cusco | lol |
| 00:58.31 | nvz | cusco: I was probably gonna do the same |
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| 00:58.48 | cusco | nvz: but then I couldn't fire up X |
| 00:58.50 | nvz | cusco: its a framebuffer issue I was pretty sure of that before digging in your logs |
| 00:58.51 | cusco | heh |
| 00:58.58 | cusco | ok |
| 00:59.20 | cusco | thanks a lot for all the trouble nvz |
| 00:59.27 | nvz | cusco: if it were me, I'd upgrade the kernel, and try blacklisting the framebuffer |
| 00:59.45 | cusco | thing is I realised now that the wole system is squeeze |
| 00:59.51 | cusco | inly chroot is testing |
| 01:00.01 | cusco | only |
| 01:00.08 | nvz | cusco: haha.. so is your X running in the chroot? |
| 01:00.22 | cusco | so I'm not sure yet whether to upgrade to testing just yet |
| 01:00.29 | cusco | yes.. |
| 01:00.37 | cusco | it worked fine before... |
| 01:00.40 | nvz | cusco: do you have /dev/ bound inside the chroot? |
| 01:00.53 | cusco | yes I have a little script that mounts and umounts stuff |
| 01:01.11 | nvz | cusco: ah cause /dev not being bind mounted to the chroot would cause this for sure |
| 01:01.19 | cusco | dev dev/pts sys proc |
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| 01:02.20 | cusco | I'll try dealing with fb tomorrow then |
| 01:02.24 | cusco | Im going to sleep |
| 01:02.34 | cusco | thanks for your patience |
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| 01:02.36 | cusco | ah... |
| 01:02.44 | cusco | nvz: did you identify that dell device? |
| 01:02.54 | lenswipe | cusco why deal with facebook at all? |
| 01:02.55 | nvz | cusco: I think there would be several ways to get it working for now.. running an X outide the chroot (stable one), disabling FB in kernel, or disabling hardware accell in the x config |
| 01:03.03 | lenswipe | cusco facebook are a bunch of arses |
| 01:03.10 | cusco | lol |
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| 01:03.23 | rww | lenswipe: wrong FB ;P |
| 01:03.29 | lenswipe | rww ah |
| 01:03.47 | nvz | cusco: I was just curious cause I seen the kernel mention it as a whitelisted device and I knew 1086 was intel, and thought it may be your video device or something |
| 01:03.52 | cusco | lenswipe: because everybody uses it... and to be different means to be wrong in this world :P |
| 01:04.06 | lenswipe | cusco to be different means to use identica |
| 01:04.07 | lenswipe | :) |
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| 01:04.13 | lenswipe | STATUS.NET :D |
| 01:04.33 | nvz | lenswipe: facebook is a social disorder |
| 01:04.42 | nvz | which i have to admit I have.. |
| 01:04.51 | cusco | lol! |
| 01:04.53 | nvz | admitting it is the first step to recovery |
| 01:05.31 | cusco | I actually had to make a set of scripts that - reads facebook; delivers text2speech call in asterisk; reads answer from database, and posts itback on facebook |
| 01:05.52 | lenswipe | nvz facebook is an insult to the IT industry |
| 01:06.06 | lenswipe | nvz have you seen the graph api? i mean....what the actual fuck!? |
| 01:06.15 | nvz | lenswipe: oh I don't disagree at all.. I just have no current working solutions to overcome its usefulness |
| 01:06.19 | cusco | lenswipe: name the IT industry that doesn't use it for marketing reasons |
| 01:06.20 | cusco | lol |
| 01:06.40 | cusco | I dealt with the graph api... |
| 01:06.52 | cusco | and fbml |
| 01:06.52 | lenswipe | buys a beer for cusco in sympathy |
| 01:06.56 | nvz | lenswipe: there are lots of open source works in progress but none are functional yet.. status.net you just mentioned, like all the other alternatives are still not open to the public yet |
| 01:07.09 | lenswipe | cusco lose the b out of there and u got it about right |
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| 01:07.36 | cusco | facebook markup language lol |
| 01:07.42 | cusco | whatever |
| 01:07.44 | lenswipe | cusco FBML = FML |
| 01:07.45 | cusco | time to go now... |
| 01:07.50 | cusco | ok.. |
| 01:07.52 | nvz | lenswipe: I am right at the edge of sacrificing the ability to have things like updated contact info (phone numbers, emails) and shit right on my phone and losing friends just to be rid of facebook |
| 01:07.59 | lenswipe | Facebook Markup Language = Fuck My Life |
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| 01:08.21 | lenswipe | nvz im just gonna go with google apps methinks |
| 01:08.30 | lenswipe | nvz i like google :) |
| 01:09.07 | nvz | lenswipe: yeah my best idea was to take the wave in a box they have and start adapting it to a more facebook like tool.. but rather than a greedy centralized network have it work more like bittorent and email |
| 01:09.18 | lenswipe | yeah |
| 01:09.24 | lenswipe | where do you download wave in a box? |
| 01:09.29 | lenswipe | i cant find iit anywhere |
| 01:09.32 | nvz | lenswipe: the least work idea I had was go back to the 70s and use finger |
| 01:09.34 | lenswipe | i wanted to start my own wave server |
| 01:09.45 | lenswipe | brb |
| 01:10.01 | nvz | lenswipe: there isn't a comprehensive package you just download and deploy yet.. but all source (java) is available |
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| 01:12.07 | lenswipe | nvz is there somewhere i can download the java source and compile it into a .jar then? |
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| 01:12.42 | nvz | lenswipe: best I could find was a rather unorganized way to browse the source.. there seem to be no "box" yet.. heh |
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| 01:13.22 | lenswipe | wonderful |
| 01:13.30 | lenswipe | "GET YOUR OWN PERSONAL WAVE IN A _____________________" |
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| 01:13.43 | nvz | lenswipe: http://www.waveprotocol.org/wave-in-a-box/setting-up |
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| 01:13.55 | sCOTTo | hey guys, just quick refresher - I just plugged a new sata hdd internally into my debian box, how do I find out what it is called via CLI ? |
| 01:14.20 | nvz | sCOTTo: dmesg | grep sd |
| 01:14.26 | nvz | sCOTTo: should find it |
| 01:14.59 | lenswipe | nvz thanks |
| 01:15.16 | sCOTTo | nvz: thanks I think thats it :D |
| 01:15.27 | lenswipe | scorche sudo fdisk -l might find it too |
| 01:15.36 | lenswipe | err |
| 01:15.47 | lenswipe | sCOTTo sudo fdisk -l |
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| 01:17.04 | sCOTTo | lenswipe: that was even better... if it shows an sdb1 - is that an existing partition ? |
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| 01:19.16 | nvz | sCOTTo: yes sdb1 would be a partition, but keep in mind that could be any sata, scsi, or USB disk on your system.. |
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| 01:20.02 | sCOTTo | and how do I format it ? |
| 01:20.05 | sCOTTo | :D |
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| 01:20.32 | nvz | sCOTTo: if you're sure its the new disk and that you def want to format it you would do something like mkfs.ext2 /dev/sdb1 |
| 01:20.58 | sCOTTo | nvz: will that cause any issues to LVM that was instaled ? |
| 01:21.05 | sCOTTo | (I am new to this LVM thing) |
| 01:21.26 | nvz | sCOTTo: it won't as long as you're not formatting one of your LVM volumes ;) |
| 01:21.35 | sCOTTo | sweet |
| 01:22.18 | sCOTTo | gee thats a gunna take a while for a 1 TB drive to format loll |
| 01:22.32 | sCOTTo | how do I mount it as the /data/ directory ? |
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| 01:23.14 | nvz | sCOTTo: mount /dev/sdb1 /data |
| 01:23.36 | sCOTTo | thanks :D |
| 01:23.50 | sCOTTo | and is there a way to ensure that STAYS the case when I reboot? is that in fstab ? |
| 01:23.51 | nvz | sCOTTo: is the simplest example, which uses no special options and auto detects filesystem type. you'd need to add it to fstab for it to be perminant (mounted on reboot) |
| 01:23.55 | lenswipe | sCOTTo sorry, i was away - what nvz said |
| 01:23.57 | sCOTTo | -- as I said it has been a WHILE! |
| 01:24.18 | jhutchins_lt | !fstab |
| 01:24.18 | dpkg | it has been said that fstab is a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it. See also <label>, <uuid>. |
| 01:24.25 | lenswipe | sCOTTo although for convention you might wana do mkdir /mnt/data and then mount /dev/sdb1/ /mnt/data |
| 01:24.43 | sCOTTo | ok |
| 01:25.05 | lenswipe | sCOTTo so then you access yours stuff using cd /mnt/data |
| 01:25.19 | sCOTTo | thanks :D |
| 01:25.44 | nvz | lenswipe: will there be free food at the convention? |
| 01:25.52 | lenswipe | nvz huh? |
| 01:25.56 | lenswipe | nvz what convention? |
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| 01:26.19 | sCOTTo | bbs |
| 01:26.25 | lenswipe | nvz purple monkey dishwasher sock |
| 01:26.28 | nvz | heh.. you said for convention... if there isn't any free alcohol and food, then who cares about convention?! |
| 01:27.06 | nvz | !confuse lenswipe |
| 01:27.06 | dpkg | No, those is our pineapple today, lenswipe? Shirts of the Republic of Mongolia with extra cream. |
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| 01:27.59 | lenswipe | nvz did we pave mossy avenues with our happiness? no, for surely our tingle tops would give us away. |
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| 01:28.38 | nvz | !yinzersmite lenswipe |
| 01:28.38 | dpkg | rode lenswipe dahntahn ta go gall-a-vantin' da norside wif a Gian Iggle buggy like da rest of da bums. |
| 01:29.05 | lenswipe | no speaky hill billy |
| 01:29.15 | nvz | lenswipe: where abouts are you from? |
| 01:29.20 | lenswipe | scotland |
| 01:29.40 | nvz | lenswipe: oh, well thats the local lingo in Pittsburgh, PA, USA where I grew up |
| 01:29.49 | lenswipe | i know some folks in pittsburgh |
| 01:30.03 | nvz | lenswipe: we call it pittsburghese http://www.pittsburghese.com/ |
| 01:30.12 | lenswipe | hmm |
| 01:30.22 | apeiron | I think you're confusing Pittsburgh with Lancaster. |
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| 01:30.42 | nvz | lancaster isn't far from pittsburgh |
| 01:31.05 | apeiron | just 240 miles |
| 01:31.11 | lenswipe | the lancaster im thinking of is fucking miles from pittsburgh |
| 01:31.21 | apeiron | most of the way across the state |
| 01:31.23 | jhutchins_lt | lancastershire |
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| 01:31.47 | jhutchins_lt | Often pronounced lancaster. |
| 01:31.49 | nvz | well the thing about Pittsburgh is, the language is the way it is due to the people from all around that gathered there for the work in the mills years ago |
| 01:32.00 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt apeiron nvz http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Lancaster,+England,+United+Kingdom&aq=0&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=57.42297,79.013672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Lancaster,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=12&iwloc=A |
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| 01:32.20 | nvz | they've since developed this strange dilect of english, and dispersed around the surrounding areas after the mills closed |
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| 01:32.50 | apeiron | lenswipe, I know about Lancaster, England. I work for http://shadowcat.co.uk/ . ;) |
| 01:32.55 | nvz | so thats what I meant by its not far.. its not a matter of geography, but in how the language that was born here, has spread |
| 01:33.00 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Bit north of Penton Mewsey. |
| 01:33.03 | lenswipe | apeiron ic |
| 01:33.08 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt k |
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| 01:34.10 | nvz | I'm currently in Morgantown.. very little of the pittsburghese exists around here.. and it sticks out like a sore thumb |
| 01:34.54 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Fiftine minutes east of Stonehenge on the 303 |
| 01:34.56 | nvz | you can tell the difference when you try to go to a Deli here and buy chipped chopped ham innat |
| 01:35.10 | lenswipe | k |
| 01:35.24 | jhutchins_lt | I've flown over Scottland. |
| 01:36.18 | jhutchins_lt | Reminds me of where I grew up. We had lots of shale, so when there was bare ground, it eroded down to these stone shingles that protected the ground, but kept anything from growing. |
| 01:36.46 | jhutchins_lt | We went to Balmoral thouhgh, and it didn't look anything like that. |
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| 01:38.23 | sCOTTo | anyone know LVM well enough to help me get this disk going? or do I not need to add in a backup hdd to lvm ? |
| 01:38.49 | nvz | sCOTTo: LVM doesnt have "backup" hdds, thats RAID |
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| 01:39.05 | sCOTTo | nvsso I just need to format this drive and mount it ? |
| 01:39.11 | dvs | once a disk goes down with LVM, that's it. |
| 01:39.18 | nvz | LVM is more for logical management of partitions across physical extents |
| 01:39.38 | nvz | for data protection and speed of access..etc.. thats where RAID comes in |
| 01:39.52 | sCOTTo | this is for a second server I keep along side my KVM server. I just want to use this drive as a destination for backups over FTP from the box right next to itself :D |
| 01:40.21 | nvz | sCOTTo: as dvs said if you lose a physical disk that is part of an LVM the LVM is toast |
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| 01:40.42 | sCOTTo | nvz: ouch ok - so I dont reamma WANT LVS running this actual drive then :D |
| 01:40.52 | maher | is debian's php meant to have get_stream_meta_data? |
| 01:40.59 | sCOTTo | I will just create a partition and format it... is there a quick way to format the drive? it is a 1TB drive :D |
| 01:41.13 | nvz | sCOTTo: well its worse than toast, cause at least you can butter toast and it makes for a good snack or sandwich.. all a broken LVM is good for is a paperweight |
| 01:41.14 | maher | doh - ignore me |
| 01:41.47 | dvs | you can't reuse toast, though |
| 01:41.59 | nvz | dvs: true.. |
| 01:42.01 | sCOTTo | ok guys... I will take that into consideration :D |
| 01:42.12 | stew | Removing ipchains ... |
| 01:42.23 | stew | i'm finally upgrading my last etch box :) |
| 01:42.32 | dvs | gasp |
| 01:42.34 | kabars_edge | scotto: assuming your hdd is usable, use fdisk to view/edit partitions, once they are where you want them, just mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda# |
| 01:42.37 | nvz | sCOTTo: LVM scares the shit out of me.. I thought it was cool at first.. but in reality the best of both worlds is an LVM built on a RAID |
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| 01:43.16 | dvs | just likes RAID |
| 01:43.26 | nvz | stew: welcome to 2006! |
| 01:43.28 | sCOTTo | kabars_edge: thanks - in process now :D |
| 01:43.32 | Azrael_- | likes his lvm on raid10 |
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| 01:43.59 | dvs | likes his lvm with a side of poutine |
| 01:44.07 | sCOTTo | kabars_edge: why ext3 ? |
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| 01:44.47 | kabars_edge | scotto: what else are you going to use? |
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| 01:45.17 | kabars_edge | scotto: I'm still not comfortable with ext4 yet, and ZFS is not native, I'm not running anything else |
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| 01:46.52 | nvz | I have no intention of even considering ext4 until I have reached a limitation of ext2/3 |
| 01:47.48 | nvz | or its a stable default in debian, whichever comes first |
| 01:47.56 | kabars_edge | nvz: I concur |
| 01:48.20 | nvz | even then I would probably stick to ext3 until I reach a limitation |
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| 01:48.53 | nvz | I guess I should say or until debian doesnt support ext2/3 |
| 01:49.15 | nvz | which I don't foresee happening anytime soon.. i.e. the next 10 years |
| 01:49.17 | stew | its likely to never be a stable default in debian |
| 01:49.35 | nvz | I don't see any reason it should be |
| 01:49.37 | stew | ted tso says that ext4 is just a stopgap until btrfs is ready |
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| 01:49.55 | nvz | I don't even see why most other distros are using it as the default |
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| 01:50.13 | nvz | probably just to make people with SNS syndrome feel better |
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| 01:50.41 | nvz | I am FAR from reaching ANY of ext2's and thus ext3's limitations |
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| 01:51.51 | kabars_edge | I wish ZFS would become the defacto standard |
| 01:52.37 | mosno | fwiw, ext4 runs fine in debian squeeze for me |
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| 01:53.31 | nvz | I'm a firm believer that things that are more widely understood are better for that reason |
| 01:53.46 | kabars_edge | I would agree with that statement |
| 01:53.48 | nvz | thats a large part of what makes me a debian user. |
| 01:53.54 | kabars_edge | me too |
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| 02:25.20 | fbass | how can I install a gdm theme? |
| 02:26.37 | blackshirt | tar.gz packages ?? |
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| 02:29.57 | paquin | where can I find information on running two RTL eth controller on the same box? (I noticed strange behaviour on my configuration) |
| 02:30.16 | paquin | I have an RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet |
| 02:30.42 | paquin | and a RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet |
| 02:31.25 | paquin | they both work well but iptraf doesn't recognize them ... |
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| 02:36.57 | paquin | uhm... bug=590526 for iptraf... :( |
| 02:37.22 | blackshirt | :d |
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| 02:42.55 | paquin | calling explicitly iptraf with -i works as well :) |
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| 03:09.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 03:09.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am looking for a good how to to setup munin for my servers. |
| 03:09.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | i would like em all on one webpage |
| 03:09.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | but I couldnt figure it out earlier |
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| 03:30.53 | sCOTTo | hey guys - is there a cool script or easy set up guide for iptables out there I should know about? I am sick today and dont have a lot of processing power in my brain :D |
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| 03:37.30 | dvs | sCOTTo: http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
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| 03:44.14 | red2kic | I'm curious about one thing. Since Flash is being stupid with 64bit releases, how do Debian deal with stablity for native 64bit processors? Do you use native 32bit firefox with native 32bit flash for that situation? |
| 03:45.04 | psykon | I am trying to diagnose a network issue with a debian 6.0.1 box. My ssh session stop responding intermittently and 'mtr' reports tons of ploss. The hardware is a dual core atom d510 w/ integrated RTL8111/8168B. The box is functioning as a pbx and I get dropped calls periodically. |
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| 03:46.35 | stew | red2kic: debian stable has gnash compiled for all the arches |
| 03:47.20 | red2kic | stew: Just how excellent is gnash? |
| 03:47.37 | anima- | red2kic, what do you mean flash is being "stupid" with 64 bit released ? |
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| 03:48.00 | anima- | releases ^ |
| 03:48.11 | stew | red2kic: flash sucks in general. gnash is the only somewhat current free player I know of |
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| 03:49.20 | red2kic | anima-: As a solution, people either use outdated flash version or use 32bit distro (or use 32bit package with 32bit flash [which have newer versions]) |
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| 03:49.53 | anima- | red2kic, i asked why you said "flash is being stupid with 64 bit releases" |
| 03:50.04 | rww | The current 64-bit flash plugin works fine for me :\ |
| 03:50.10 | anima- | rrw same here |
| 03:50.20 | sCOTTo | sorry guys, I asked earlier, are there any good iptables scripts I can get a hold of ? or easy read tutorials :D |
| 03:50.26 | anima- | about:buildconfig Build platform target x86_64-pc-linux-gnu about:plugins File: libflashplayer.so Version: Shockwave Flash 10.3 d162 |
| 03:50.30 | red2kic | stew: I agree -- but I had been using "youtube-dl" for some time. Otherwise, the chromium acts up because I have one too many pages open (or flash pages). |
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| 03:50.54 | red2kic | rww: You're on debian? ;o |
| 03:51.25 | anima- | mrwhite@blackbox:~$ cat /etc/debian_version squeeze/sid |
| 03:52.06 | kgoetz | sCOTTo: 03:37:29 < dvs> sCOTTo: http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 03:52.09 | rww | red2kic: ... yes? |
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| 03:52.33 | sCOTTo | kgoetz: Thanks d00d - awesome :D |
| 03:52.35 | rww | is lazy, just uses `ufw' package for firewalling |
| 03:52.51 | sCOTTo | ufw ??? |
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| 03:52.55 | sCOTTo | ubuntu ? |
| 03:53.14 | sCOTTo | is using CLI only. No Gui on his Linux Boxen :D |
| 03:53.15 | rww | sCOTTo: Uncomplicated FireWall. It's a package in Debian (and Ubuntu, yes). |
| 03:53.20 | rww | and is not GUI |
| 03:54.40 | sCOTTo | nice :D |
| 03:55.23 | roxirc_ | :d |
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| 03:56.56 | Calif | with dhcpd, how do I declare a subnet that is for an external interface (not issueing addresses), that itself is using dhcp to get its address from upstream? |
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| 04:02.03 | tin-kidneys | Hey folks. SSH Question... is there anyway to save your private key's passphrase, via shh-add? I don't want to have to enter it everytime i make a connection, ALSO - |
| 04:02.39 | stew | tin-kidneys: yes, this is what ssh-add is for, are you having trouble with ssh-add? |
| 04:02.45 | tin-kidneys | This would mean i would have to create an ~/.xinitrc file. |
| 04:02.56 | tin-kidneys | What's the basic layout for that file? |
| 04:03.18 | tin-kidneys | I currently don't have one, and am a little worries about creating one from scratch |
| 04:03.19 | stew | tin-kidneys: its a shell script you want to have executed when you startx. when that process ends, your x session is killed |
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| 04:03.49 | stew | tin-kidneys: typically it would setup anything you needed to have setup in the environment, then exec a window manager (or desktop environment) |
| 04:04.24 | tin-kidneys | stew: thank you. |
| 04:05.00 | stew | tin-kidneys: you are running "startx" to get into x? or are you loggin in via a graphical login? |
| 04:05.07 | Rusty1 | Calif: not sire if dhcpd is de-riduer , look at http://www.thekelleys.org.uk/dnsmasq/docs/dnsmasq-man.html as an alternatine ? |
| 04:05.25 | Rusty1 | de=riguer* |
| 04:05.32 | tin-kidneys | would it be alright if i draft one up, tell you what i have running, and post a link to it here? Correct, i am not using a display manager, and am just using startx. |
| 04:06.30 | tin-kidneys | i could post a link to the code on paste.debian.org (if i have remembered the link correctly. |
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| 04:12.54 | tin-kidneys | Is anyone interested in taking a look at my ~/.xinitrc file? i don't have a display manager, and am trying to get ssh-add to run when i log in. |
| 04:13.21 | tin-kidneys | i'm a bit worried i wont be able to startx successfuly. |
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| 04:30.13 | empiric | guys any one works on liferay with Mysql on SSL |
| 04:30.14 | empiric | ? |
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| 05:10.05 | red2kic | What is the domain name for? Debian asked me that in the installeer. I went ahead and put something in -- but I wanted to know what it's for. |
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| 05:13.56 | Kash | hi all |
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| 05:15.03 | Kash | anybody uses opennebula on squeeze? |
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| 06:03.03 | ChronicSyncope | are there debian unstable repositories where i can find a later version of wine? |
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| 06:04.11 | nvz | ChronicSyncope: any specific version? |
| 06:04.21 | nvz | ,version wine |
| 06:04.27 | nvz | ,versions wine |
| 06:04.27 | judd | Package wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-3.1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.0.1-3.1; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
| 06:04.33 | salahuddin66 | ChronicSyncope: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/wine check the version |
| 06:04.34 | ChronicSyncope | nvz preferably 1.3.19 |
| 06:05.00 | nvz | ChronicSyncope: see what judd said.. what are you trying to do? |
| 06:05.04 | simonlnu | there's a winhq repo around, google it |
| 06:05.15 | simonlnu | wine* |
| 06:05.28 | ChronicSyncope | aha, that's worth a try |
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| 06:06.09 | nvz | when I first looked in I thought we had netsplits |
| 06:06.24 | salahuddin66 | after apt-get dist-upgrade in unstable I got xorg packages update. form then I X server is not starting, even keyboard got hangup. |
| 06:06.24 | nvz | but apparently thats just what it looks like when nobody talks.. heh |
| 06:06.39 | ChronicSyncope | yeah who would think 1029 people and there are still points when nobody is talking |
| 06:06.59 | nvz | salahuddin66: somehow I'm not surprised.. |
| 06:07.39 | nvz | ChronicSyncope: I've been off watching movies.. most of the people are probably sleeping or busy doing something |
| 06:07.47 | salahuddin66 | nvz: I know it may happen, but I never had keyboard hangup problem, moreover no log in /var/log/ |
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| 06:08.22 | nvz | salahuddin66: I've seen the keyboard issues.. they're usually not what they seem |
| 06:08.48 | imgx64 | What's the difference between 'standard' and 'rescue' live CDs? |
| 06:08.55 | salahuddin66 | nvz: I am thinking to run debootstrap again from my backup Squeeze installation. (I tried to rollback, but did not work) |
| 06:09.02 | nvz | salahuddin66: once I had X running on tty12 instead of 7 and I thought the same thing was happening, turns out the keyboard was working fine, it was just sending input to tty7 due to a bug |
| 06:09.41 | salahuddin66 | nvz: Ya its okay but, the last update I had yesterday simply black screen, I have to ssh form another PC to reboot :( |
| 06:10.42 | nvz | salahuddin66: hah. well if I could ssh the last thing I'd do is reboot.. I'd also hold off on updates until I knew what changed |
| 06:11.02 | red2kic | rww: Debian is very nice. I'm using it now. :) |
| 06:11.14 | nvz | also if you're in some kinda need to get this machine working that urgently you probably should not be running unstable on it in the first plac |
| 06:11.47 | salahuddin66 | nvz: when I upgrade it was oky, I was running Xorg, the problem started after reboot. |
| 06:12.22 | nvz | salahuddin66: sounds kernel related, perhaps.. was the kernel upgraded as well? |
| 06:12.48 | nvz | salahuddin66: if so, then its an easy fix, boot the old kernel |
| 06:12.54 | salahuddin66 | nvz: no kernel update was about a week ago. Last update full xorg xserver-*-* package got upgrade. |
| 06:13.27 | salahuddin66 | nvz: oh, I use it primarily, but I have squeeze installed to urgent work |
| 06:14.19 | nvz | salahuddin66: alright well, you're saying you have no X log? |
| 06:15.10 | salahuddin66 | nvz: yes after running startx X.0.org was not updated. :( |
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| 06:16.09 | red2kic | Is there a Debian release schedule or it just come out at the whim of some leader? |
| 06:16.25 | nvz | red2kic: debian releases are made when they're ready |
| 06:17.10 | red2kic | nvz: Ah. I was wondering about chromium (10) and libreoffice. That's the only thing. |
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| 06:18.23 | sylar | what command get the motherboard model? |
| 06:18.26 | nvz | new packages are brought into unstable, when they have gone like 10 days or so without RC bugs they get moved to testing, when testing has been suffeciently updated from last stable release the developers begin to freeze it, and squish all the bugs, then it become stable |
| 06:18.56 | nvz | sylar: lspci is about as close as you'll get |
| 06:19.15 | red2kic | !wifi |
| 06:19.15 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 06:19.28 | sylar | nvz no model there |
| 06:19.30 | nvz | sylar: there is no way to determine a motherboard model through software.. at least no method that is the same on all machines |
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| 06:19.54 | sylar | nvz windows can do it (msinfo32 |
| 06:20.28 | nvz | sylar: windows is highly proprietary and only runs on certain hardware and is guessing at best |
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| 06:21.18 | nvz | sylar: the only place that software can even access that MAY contain that info is the BIOS |
| 06:21.30 | Coburn|eMac | Can I pick someone's brains for a moment? |
| 06:21.32 | Coburn|eMac | It's about Xorg |
| 06:21.39 | Coburn|eMac | And will save me my sanity |
| 06:21.47 | ilana | hi. i just installed squeeze/gnome on old compaq presario 700 laptop. when i do shutdown (either from menu or in terminal) it reaches 'system halted' but then it stops and i have to power it off manually. any ideas? |
| 06:21.48 | sylar | nvz googled and - dmidecode |
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| 06:22.04 | nvz | sylar: right, that checks the BIOS |
| 06:22.06 | Coburn|eMac | ilana, that PC doesn't support automated turn off |
| 06:22.07 | ethanol | ilana: yeah, old computer. |
| 06:22.09 | sylar | it print the model number |
| 06:22.18 | Coburn|eMac | ilana, same thing happens on my Compaq tower PC |
| 06:22.34 | nvz | sylar: not all machines even have a BIOS and not all BIOS have that information |
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| 06:23.28 | ilana | so i simply have to continue powering off manually? it manages to reboot ok. |
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| 06:23.58 | nvz | ilana: sounds like its an old machine that uses APM not ACPI |
| 06:24.39 | nvz | ilana: I dont know offhand cause its been ages since I used that.. but there are ways to make the kernel use old APM poweroff calls |
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| 06:25.06 | nvz | the kernel has to support it, and the APM modules have to be loaded, that much I do know |
| 06:25.20 | ilana | ok, thanks. will look it up. |
| 06:25.29 | Coburn|eMac | AFAIK |
| 06:25.38 | Coburn|eMac | Reboots are done via a INT 11h call |
| 06:25.44 | Coburn|eMac | On old PCs |
| 06:25.56 | Coburn|eMac | I know DOS did something like that |
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| 06:26.44 | nvz | Coburn|eMac: yeah sounds about right.. but its a specific option in kernel.. just because your kernel supports APM doesnt necessarily mean it supports APM power off |
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| 06:29.34 | ilana | thanks all for your help :) |
| 06:29.40 | nvz | ilana: if you need further help I can help you figure it out.. cause finding any documentation on APM and squeeze might be hard |
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| 06:29.48 | nvz | since nobody has used APM in ages |
| 06:30.33 | nvz | ilana: especially if you use the same kernel I do, then I can just check to see if the options are enabled from here |
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| 06:30.42 | Neosat | Hello |
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| 06:31.06 | nvz | well I got a default squeeze kernel, but its the amd64 one which obviously you dont use.. heh |
| 06:31.10 | Neosat | I have install debian netinstall 6 and I do not have sda devices |
| 06:31.24 | ilana | any guidance will be much appreciated. i am not very good with kernel config, and i am using the default kernel that was installed. |
| 06:31.35 | nvz | ilana: uname -r |
| 06:31.38 | Neosat | Can someone help please? |
| 06:31.54 | nvz | Neosat: thats about as useful as saying I have a movie an no popcorn |
| 06:32.20 | Neosat | df -h shows only rootfs and not devices |
| 06:32.28 | ilana | nvz: 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 06:32.32 | nvz | Neosat: where? are you still in the installer? |
| 06:32.46 | Neosat | no my system works perfectly |
| 06:33.02 | Neosat | but I want to clone partition to img file |
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| 06:33.20 | Neosat | how can I do that without /dev/sda1 etc |
| 06:33.43 | nvz | Neosat: cat /proc/mtab |
| 06:34.18 | Neosat | cat: /proc/mtab: No such file or directory |
| 06:34.31 | nvz | ilana: ok, I have that one.. let me look at the config real quick |
| 06:34.34 | streuner | What was the last quit message of me? |
| 06:34.57 | simonlnu | streuner [foobar@mnhm-5f74cc3d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 06:35.04 | streuner | simonlnu: ah, thanks. |
| 06:35.04 | anima- | Neosat, just do a fdisk -l |
| 06:35.24 | Neosat | fdisk -l shows nothing |
| 06:35.35 | simonlnu | /etc/mtab not /proc/mtab |
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| 06:35.51 | nvz | streuner: Remote host closed the connection |
| 06:36.07 | anima- | o.O fdisk shows nothing at all ? then how is your box even running |
| 06:36.16 | nvz | ilana: lsmod | grep apm |
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| 06:36.22 | nvz | ilana: does that show anything? |
| 06:36.27 | Neosat | tmpfs /lib/init/rw tmpfs rw,nosuid,mode=0755 0 0 |
| 06:36.27 | Neosat | proc /proc proc rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev 0 0 |
| 06:36.27 | Neosat | sysfs /sys sysfs rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev 0 0 |
| 06:36.27 | Neosat | udev /dev tmpfs rw,mode=0755 0 0 |
| 06:36.27 | Neosat | tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs rw,nosuid,nodev 0 0 |
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| 06:36.38 | simonlnu | ... |
| 06:36.45 | Neosat | rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0 |
| 06:36.53 | simonlnu | don't paste here |
| 06:36.57 | nvz | Neosat: fdisk -l would be a better option |
| 06:37.02 | Neosat | ok sorry |
| 06:37.06 | simonlnu | !paste |
| 06:37.06 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 06:37.14 | nvz | I just find it strange your system isnt showing the device names.. |
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| 06:37.27 | nvz | wanted to double check the mtab |
| 06:37.32 | Neosat | yes dono why |
| 06:37.49 | nvz | Neosat: not sure but you may be using UUIDs or something |
| 06:38.11 | Neosat | yes that what I am using UUIDs |
| 06:38.19 | ilana | nvz: nothing |
| 06:38.19 | nvz | Neosat: your fstab and such might give clues but to solve your original issue asking fdisk or dmesg would be best I guess |
| 06:38.34 | nvz | ilana: alright well APM is a module in your kernel, and its not loaded in your system |
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| 06:38.50 | Neosat | my fstab shows UUIDs instead of /dev/sda1 etc |
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| 06:39.12 | nvz | Neosat: probably why its not showing them in mtab or df output then |
| 06:39.33 | nvz | I've never configured a system like that to see how it behaves |
| 06:39.51 | Neosat | mtab is showing a list like: rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0 etc.. |
| 06:40.11 | ilana | nvz: i know i shoud probably look it up myself... but how do i load it? |
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| 06:40.16 | nvz | Neosat: right well its not a big deal.. its just apparently a new way of doing things we're not used to. |
| 06:40.20 | nvz | ilana: modprobe apm |
| 06:40.45 | Neosat | can I take it back to /dev/sda1 etc? |
| 06:40.57 | nvz | ilana: I'm not certain if that module being loaded is all you need to do... but you can give it a try.. if that fixes the problem add a single line containing apm to /etc/modules |
| 06:41.33 | ilana | nvz: FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/apm.ko): No such device |
| 06:41.33 | nvz | Neosat: sure after you do fdisk -l or dmesg and figure out where everything is, then you can edit fstab manually. There are advantages to using UUID |
| 06:41.49 | nvz | ilana: eek.. |
| 06:41.58 | Corey | LOLgoogle? |
| 06:42.06 | Corey | Er, disregard. |
| 06:42.12 | anima- | ilana, so download the 2.6.32-5 kernel source, and build the apm module |
| 06:42.31 | Neosat | I want to usr dd command and clone a partition. Can this be done with UUID's? |
| 06:42.33 | nvz | ilana: can you go to paste.debian.net and upload the file /var/log/dmesg |
| 06:42.42 | Neosat | usr = use |
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| 06:42.56 | nvz | anima-: that error indicates that the kernel module is there, but not loading due to missing device nodes and or hardware |
| 06:42.57 | imgx64 | What's the difference between the 'standard' and 'rescue' Live CDs? The diff between '*-standard.iso.list' and '*-rescue.iso.list' (from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1-live/i386/iso-hybrid/ ) is only a few packages and doesn't explain the ~300MiB difference. |
| 06:43.07 | styxnsoon | Neosat, sure. UUIDs are the preferred way nowadays. |
| 06:43.27 | Neosat | can someone knows the syntax? |
| 06:43.36 | anima- | nvz, bleh i need more sleep XD i should have noticed that |
| 06:43.46 | Neosat | I was using dd if=/dev/sda1 of=~/disk2.img before |
| 06:44.16 | nvz | Neosat: UUID syntax can be a bit confusing at first.. like the old root= command is now uuid= or something |
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| 06:44.45 | nvz | Neosat: the advantage however is no changing of device names.. this is common on newer systems with random USB Mass storage devices, card readers, etc.. |
| 06:45.00 | styxnsoon | In your dev directory, you should find folders called "by-UUID" and so on, maybe u have to dig a bit deeper. Cant look for myself, am on Winbox rn... |
| 06:45.37 | styxnsoon | The links in there can be used instead of the device names... |
| 06:46.01 | Coburn|eMac | I'm trying to get lxsession working, when X starts up, it seems to start and then shut down? |
| 06:46.20 | Coburn|eMac | Any help is appreciated, this VM looks like it's having the shits atm |
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| 06:46.31 | Coburn|eMac | For example |
| 06:46.31 | nvz | styxnsoon: /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 06:46.44 | nvz | styxnsoon: news to me, but I found it |
| 06:46.56 | styxnsoon | nvz: Looks right |
| 06:46.57 | ilana | nvz: http://paste.debian.net/116060/ |
| 06:47.03 | Coburn|eMac | start X -> "X" cursor for a few seconds -> dump at console -> start Xorg again |
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| 06:47.46 | salahuddin66 | styxnsoon: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 06:48.00 | styxnsoon | its the recommended way for lots of partition interaction nowadays, as far as Ive understood debian-user@lists |
| 06:48.00 | nvz | ilana: haha |
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| 06:48.43 | styxnsoon | salahuddin66, win 7 doesnt know "ls" command :/ |
| 06:48.54 | Neosat | I do not have /dev/disk directory |
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| 06:49.19 | styxnsoon | Neosat, what version of Debian are u running? |
| 06:49.25 | ilana | nvz: ? |
| 06:49.41 | nvz | ilana: just funny to me seeing a old pre-acpi machine booting |
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| 06:50.17 | Neosat | 6 |
| 06:50.24 | nvz | ilana: ok the kernel isnt seeing your apm bios.. so either you dont have apm or its disabled in the BIOS |
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| 06:51.01 | nvz | ilana: line 400 in that paste: [ 25.394239] apm: BIOS not found. |
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| 06:51.34 | ilana | nvz: i suppose i should be thankful that i can even run a full desktop on it. pressing the power button is not much of a bother :) |
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| 06:51.42 | nvz | ilana: so I guess you need to get into your CMOS setup and look for an APM feature |
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| 06:52.02 | nvz | ilana: if you can't find and enable that, then you're probably not gonna get auto power off to work |
| 06:52.27 | styxnsoon | neosat, u did upgrade from debian 5? Because I think you were asked if u want to keep the old way of device naming when upgrading somewhen. |
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| 06:52.41 | styxnsoon | neosat, i think u did that |
| 06:53.50 | ilana | nvz: ok. thanks for all your help. even if i cant get it to work, at least i know more about power off. gonna log off now to check bios. bye |
| 06:53.50 | Neosat | no I hust install a fresh system from the begeining |
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| 06:53.59 | nvz | ilana: later |
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| 06:57.32 | tr4sk | Hi :) |
| 06:57.47 | tr4sk | I got some trouble with my raid |
| 06:58.12 | tr4sk | I need to copy |
| 06:58.27 | tr4sk | my 1st HDD to my 2nd |
| 06:58.34 | tr4sk | with fdisk |
| 06:58.38 | nvz | Hi |
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| 06:58.44 | nvz | I got some trouble with my keyboard |
| 06:58.44 | tr4sk | http://pastebin.com/9RxzE5kH |
| 06:58.50 | nvz | I hit the enter key |
| 06:58.53 | nvz | too much |
| 06:58.56 | tr4sk | :) |
| 06:58.58 | nvz | ;) |
| 06:59.09 | tr4sk | yeah sorry, msn reflex |
| 06:59.29 | nvz | wow, are you trying not to get any help in here or what? |
| 07:00.29 | nvz | tr4sk: did you even read what you posted? |
| 07:00.31 | tr4sk | edit: msn on my own jabber server reflex |
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| 07:01.04 | tr4sk | nvz: yes |
| 07:01.11 | tr4sk | I think |
| 07:01.15 | nvz | tr4sk: is english not your first language? |
| 07:01.26 | tr4sk | not, I'm french |
| 07:01.46 | nvz | tr4sk: cause line 4 of that paste clearly states the problem AND the solution |
| 07:02.02 | tr4sk | yeah |
| 07:02.06 | tr4sk | use parted |
| 07:02.12 | nvz | you got it |
| 07:02.19 | styxnsoon | Neosat, the folder /dev/disk is existing at my place, offering different means of addressing a partition. |
| 07:02.34 | tr4sk | But, like everyone use this on their blog |
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| 07:02.58 | styxnsoon | Neosat, i got no fancy additions either, so I suppose something is not as it should be at your place. |
| 07:03.01 | nvz | ... and 10,000 anons can't be wrong.. |
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| 07:04.01 | tr4sk | so I just copy what they say. And, even when I'm looking for the parted command, I found stuff with fdisk. |
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| 07:05.04 | simonlnu | aptitude install gparted |
| 07:05.34 | tr4sk | ... simonlnu thx but no. |
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| 07:06.05 | styxnsoon | then use the shell version, http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/parted, so install parted |
| 07:06.25 | nvz | pebkac |
| 07:06.43 | styxnsoon | if u dont know how, pull in parted-doc as well |
| 07:06.51 | tr4sk | My problem is'nt to install a package. |
| 07:07.20 | styxnsoon | your problem is to read log files and follow instructions? |
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| 07:07.28 | styxnsoon | sry |
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| 07:07.32 | nvz | does his best immatation of the Aflec duck and says "pebkac" |
| 07:07.39 | tr4sk | I cant find how to copy an disk partition to another disk |
| 07:08.19 | styxnsoon | Use GNU Parted. |
| 07:08.40 | styxnsoon | hey, the package i provided a link to is called like that. |
| 07:08.43 | nvz | you pasted the answer to that question 10 minutes ago, I pointed out that you pasted the answer to that question 7 minutes ago, and simonlnu answered it for you again anyhow 3 minutes ago |
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| 07:09.04 | nvz | not even to mention the fact that yet another person is telling you that now.. |
| 07:09.05 | styxnsoon | GNU Parted != gparted |
| 07:09.06 | tr4sk | like sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk --force /dev/sdb |
| 07:09.27 | nvz | wonders how many #debian supporters it takes to solve a pebkac |
| 07:09.27 | styxnsoon | GNU Parted = parted |
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| 07:10.01 | tr4sk | I already figure out |
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| 07:10.40 | tr4sk | nvz: sorry, but I cant explain well myself. |
| 07:10.49 | tr4sk | thx anyway |
| 07:11.15 | styxnsoon | u can copy partitions to anything by using dd, tr4sk. read a tutorial. I gotta go and find out how to rule the world, economics class :/ |
| 07:12.27 | styxnsoon | u could probably hook up your printer to get your data on paper... |
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| 07:15.32 | nvz | styxnsoon: http://replay.web.archive.org/20041215112244/http://www.ecotopia.com/webpress/stupidity/ |
| 07:15.42 | nvz | styxnsoon: can start with that simple economics lesson.. |
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| 07:18.26 | nvz | styxnsoon: you could probably hook up a cnc sewing machine and stich it into a quilt.. doesn't make it a good f'n idea ;) |
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| 07:22.32 | styxnsoon | nvz, head office of a big company. strange carpets hanging from every wall. "these are our back-ups." Thanks for the link, just missed my bus due to pebcak, let's see if my teacher acknowledges this concept. |
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| 07:27.06 | tr4sk | oh, and styxnsoon I forget this http://imagemacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/technoviking.jpg?w=350&h=449 |
| 07:28.43 | styxnsoon | tr4sk, have a look at rsnapshot, it is an advanced tool that configured correctly will do all your backup work automagically. Supposedly there is a howto provided with the doc. |
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| 07:30.00 | styxnsoon | tr4sk, it might be overkill for your situation. figure out if you want to learn how it works anyways, you wont have to switch applications when handling 1000+ machines. |
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| 07:30.54 | styxnsoon | tr4sk, is this a picture of you? |
| 07:31.03 | styxnsoon | tr4sk, i like your skirt |
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| 07:46.27 | seven| | Hi everybody. |
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| 07:47.53 | seven| | What's the best option to create a virtualbox in debian? |
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| 07:49.51 | styxnsoon | seven, take a look at http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/virtualbox-ose |
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| 07:50.30 | seven| | styxnsoon: Thanks. |
| 07:50.32 | styxnsoon | seven, if that was your question. try to be more precise when asking. |
| 07:50.52 | styxnsoon | you are welcome, seven |
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| 07:51.47 | seven| | My question is more of which one is the best one. If there are options of course. |
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| 07:55.12 | styxnsoon | seven, you may want Package virtualbox-ose-qt if it is not pulled in automatically. It provides the graphical user interface. I suppose virtualbox-ose is the best free software out there, it seems to be used by most people in small scale virtualisation tasks. Correct me if im wrong, this is personal perception. |
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| 07:55.27 | daishadar | does it matter if my raid controller has a cache if i'm just running jbod? would i see a performance improvement from a cache in this case? |
| 07:55.37 | seven| | styxnsoon: Indeed it is. |
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| 08:00.16 | becker_11 | Hi all, I've just created a new user on my system is there a way to switch to the new user without having to close everything on my account similar to the fast user switching with ubuntu ?? or do I have to log out each time |
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| 08:01.02 | stockholm | becker_11: ssh to localhost, as the new user |
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| 08:02.07 | styxnsoon | becker_11, when running gnome u can use: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=fast-user-switch-applet Did u try to google this before asking here? |
| 08:02.07 | simonlnu | or use sg or newgroup |
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| 08:02.37 | styxnsoon | becker_11, i guess this it what ubuntu uses as well |
| 08:02.55 | becker_11 | stockholm: sounds good but can you explain that a bit more I have very limited experience with ssh |
| 08:03.19 | becker_11 | styxnsoon: Not running gnome have openbox as WM & DE |
| 08:03.33 | stockholm | becker_11: what is unclear? |
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| 08:04.01 | stockholm | if you want x applications you should enable x forwarding in ssh |
| 08:04.13 | stockholm | ssh -Y user@localhost |
| 08:04.15 | simonlnu | !ssh x |
| 08:04.21 | simonlnu | !sshx |
| 08:04.21 | dpkg | You can run X11 apps securely over an ssh connection without <xhost> nor X TCP support. Enable X11Forwarding _on the remote server_ (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (lenny, squeeze) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. See also <root x> and <cygwin sshx>. |
| 08:04.32 | becker_11 | stockholm: okay if I understand you are suggesting I ssh to localhost as the new user while still logged in as my current user?? |
| 08:04.46 | stockholm | yes |
| 08:05.07 | stockholm | if you are not loged in you cant ssh, can you? |
| 08:05.45 | Shadur | I think he wants to start an entirely new graphic environment under the new user, preferably without logging out his current one. |
| 08:05.51 | becker_11 | stockholm: true but that isn't what I want. I want to have the other user logged in and unable to access my files, browser bookmarks etc |
| 08:06.27 | stockholm | ah |
| 08:06.41 | becker_11 | stockholm: basically logged in like normal but without having to shut my programs down |
| 08:06.51 | becker_11 | Shadur: exactly |
| 08:06.53 | simonlnu | s/he wants one group per user |
| 08:07.04 | stockholm | i used to work on the same computer with my wife, each with our own monitor and keyboard |
| 08:07.24 | stockholm | i started a gdm on an other terminal for that to work |
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| 08:09.05 | becker_11 | stockholm: yes the wonders of linux |
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| 08:09.11 | stockholm | :-) |
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| 08:09.51 | becker_11 | okay well at the moment i have my son wanting to use the laptop so I will just log out and let him at it and I'll look more into this later |
| 08:09.58 | becker_11 | Thankyou all for your help and suggestions |
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| 08:25.20 | sylarr | I had some hardware problem, and now when I turned the PC on, it tells me 'waiting for root file system' , and that volume group are not found |
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| 08:25.36 | Bartzy|work | Hi |
| 08:25.48 | sylarr | can anyone help? |
| 08:25.50 | Bartzy|work | Using squeeze 64-bit (gnome), my sound suddenly got "stuck" |
| 08:26.15 | Bartzy|work | It's playing stuff, but it's like it's mixing sounds together... not outputting the sound right. Didn't try to restart... Any idea ? |
| 08:26.20 | Bartzy|work | It worked 30 minutes ago |
| 08:26.40 | sylarr | and it has dropped to BusyBox |
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| 08:42.20 | macrobat | Bartzy|work: pulse audio? |
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| 08:45.01 | macrobat | what audio app? |
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| 08:45.59 | Bartzy|work | macrobat: tried youtube and rhytmbox.. alsa |
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| 08:46.23 | Bartzy|work | anyway to "reset" the sound ? |
| 08:46.38 | macrobat | sylarr: grub2? do you have lvm2 installed? maybe you have to rebuild the initrd. |
| 08:47.19 | sylarr | macrobat, yes lvm2 installed, used to work , until psu and ram was fried |
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| 08:48.15 | macrobat | Bartzy|work: as root. check if alsamixer has the right settings. does this play ok: "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav" |
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| 08:48.47 | macrobat | sylarr: can you mount the filesystems from a live cd? |
| 08:49.37 | Bartzy|work | macrobat: I didn't do anything, but it's fixed now. any idea ? :D |
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| 08:51.13 | ectospasm | Bartzy|work: could be a rogue process that exited, thereby returning you to normal functioning |
| 08:51.20 | macrobat | Bartzy|work: i had problems with flash competing with mpd for sound. always had to kill one of them |
| 08:51.50 | macrobat | flash didn't work with "jack" either |
| 08:52.11 | macrobat | i don't know much about sound anyway :D |
| 08:54.42 | sylarr | macrobat, I am going to try soon |
| 08:56.17 | Bartzy|work | Thanks a lot |
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| 09:15.29 | vadi | Where does exim4 log? |
| 09:15.46 | daemon | hey all if I have a slower disk and im hosting postgresql |
| 09:15.57 | daemon | is there anyway to commit RAM to the actual disk operationgs |
| 09:16.01 | daemon | as a kinda mid level buffer |
| 09:16.06 | daemon | to help speed it up on long querieas |
| 09:16.45 | sylarr | macrobat, do you know how to start mdadm from livecd? |
| 09:17.11 | macrobat | sry, no |
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| 09:23.22 | ectospasm | sweet, Slasdot is allowing me to disable advertisements "as our way of thanking you for your positive contributions..." |
| 09:23.38 | ectospasm | I haven't contributed anything to Slashdot in over a decade. |
| 09:23.46 | ectospasm | Maybe it |
| 09:23.57 | ectospasm | 's because I have good "karma?" |
| 09:23.59 | Bushmills | daemon, file system choice could do that transparently. xfs can cache to RAM, for example |
| 09:24.11 | Arrowmaster | i think old accounts with good karma that visit often get that |
| 09:24.24 | Arrowmaster | it showed up for me about a year ago probably |
| 09:24.32 | daemon | Bushmills, gotcha |
| 09:24.41 | Bushmills | daemon, for writes, that is. for reading, reads from about any file system should be cached |
| 09:25.25 | daemon | Bushmills, know of anyway to convert ext3 to xfs |
| 09:25.34 | ectospasm | Arrowmaster: I don't visit very often. Been doing it more for the last month. Unless my Google Reader thang is logging in for me...¯\o0/¯ |
| 09:25.41 | Bushmills | backup; mkfs; restore |
| 09:25.42 | daemon | I actually have a bunch of rackspace cloud servers |
| 09:25.52 | daemon | and the diso IO is so pathetic its laughable |
| 09:25.58 | daemon | my FreeBSD colo and linode servers laugh at it |
| 09:26.11 | daemon | where talking like linode is 4*faster |
| 09:26.19 | daemon | freebsd 3-4* |
| 09:26.42 | Bushmills | having a lot of RAM helps, of course |
| 09:27.01 | Arrowmaster | ectospasm: after i switched to using rss the option has still stayed but i dont think that has anything to do with it |
| 09:27.02 | ectospasm | and I just realized I posted that in the wrong place. Sorry ever'body! |
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| 09:30.12 | sylarr | mdadm tells me : not enough to start the array while not clean - consider --force |
| 09:30.18 | sylarr | should I force? |
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| 09:34.38 | NMZ | sylarr: what kind of array is it? |
| 09:34.56 | sylarr | one raid 6, one raid 1 |
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| 09:35.00 | sylarr | NMZ, |
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| 09:35.13 | NMZ | the raid 1 should be relatively safe to force |
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| 09:35.33 | NMZ | the raid 6 is a bit more tricky |
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| 09:36.11 | jelly | sylarr: how dod that happen? did one disk of yours die? |
| 09:36.28 | sylarr | jelly, the PSU and RAM died |
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| 09:37.11 | sylarr | NMZ the raid 6 has 7 out of 8 drives, but was so for a long time |
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| 09:37.54 | jelly | sylarr: pastebin your mdadm --detail --scan -vv |
| 09:37.56 | NMZ | sylarr: check the individual disks with mdadm --misc -E /dev/blabla just to be sure |
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| 09:45.34 | sylarr | jelly , http://pastebin.ca/2054158 |
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| 09:55.06 | sylarr | jelly, what do you think? |
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| 09:57.20 | jelly | sylarr: I think you're going to get better answers in #linux-raid channel. Assembling a raid6 with one missing should be ok if you complete the member set ASAP and let it resync |
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| 10:17.36 | Bushmills | shift-pgup/pgdn |
| 10:17.37 | MeglaW | macrobat: |
| 10:17.47 | MeglaW | oops sorry, i slipped macrobat |
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| 10:20.32 | DotHack | aynone using xen as virtualisation platform? |
| 10:20.44 | sylarr | thanks Burner |
| 10:20.50 | sylarr | thanks Bushmills |
| 10:21.19 | petemc | DotHack: lots of people |
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| 10:22.33 | DotHack | are lots off people experiencing troubles with tcp offloading in their vm´s? |
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| 10:28.26 | asmogator | , version kernel |
| 10:28.31 | asmogator | how this bot works |
| 10:28.40 | asmogator | how do i find what is the latest kernel version in sid ? |
| 10:28.55 | Bushmills | judd knows |
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| 10:29.54 | Bushmills | ,versions linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 10:29.55 | judd | Package linux-image-2.6-686 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; sid: 2.6.38+33; wheezy: 2.6.38+33 |
| 10:29.56 | DotHack | is it ok to just disable tcp offloading by default ? |
| 10:30.05 | asmogator | what is 2.6.38+33 ? |
| 10:30.08 | asmogator | what is that +33 ?? |
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| 10:30.28 | asmogator | because latest stable on kernel.org is 2.6.38.5 |
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| 10:31.44 | asmogator | i find it funny i ask this question again and again and again and noone knows the answer while i think it's very basic question after all.... |
| 10:32.33 | Bushmills | ,kernels |
| 10:32.34 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.39-rc5-686-pae (2.6.39~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-4); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 10:33.27 | asmogator | how do i install this one ? 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-4) |
| 10:33.36 | asmogator | apt-get install kernel ? |
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| 10:34.24 | asmogator | and why it says '2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-4)' ? |
| 10:34.30 | asmogator | and what is +33 ?? |
| 10:34.34 | Bushmills | download from debian.org, and dpkg -i, if its a different kernel than that of your installed debian |
| 10:34.47 | bakc | hi all i want to ask to help me. I try to compile driver for my usb rfid reader but i have no luck with compile it. If i run ./configure i get msq like "unexpected token `(' " ---maybe for me missing some dependenci but i dont know which or what is bad. There is what show ./configure http://pastie.org/1867465 |
| 10:34.54 | asmogator | Bushmills: this is the only way or it's also possible to install it using apt-get ? |
| 10:35.17 | Bushmills | it is probably the easiest way |
| 10:35.34 | asmogator | i installed 2.6.38.2 using apt-get |
| 10:35.36 | asmogator | and it was easy |
| 10:35.37 | asmogator | ;) |
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| 10:37.39 | asmogator | if i compile kernel on my own all i need to do is put the kenrel image into /boot and run update-grub ? |
| 10:37.47 | asmogator | and the grub will have correct entries ? |
| 10:38.10 | Bushmills | !make-kpkg |
| 10:38.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html , man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>. |
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| 10:38.42 | asmogator | hm |
| 10:38.47 | asmogator | sounds good |
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| 10:40.33 | deado | hi |
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| 10:51.37 | deado | looking for some help on getting ati and nvid to play nicely together. anyone have knowledge in this area? |
| 10:51.54 | sikker | I want to create an unprivileged user on my server with as little read/write ability as humanly possible. the purpose for this user is to store automatically generated backups from other machines -- the only user on the system with a passphrase-less ssh key |
| 10:52.01 | sikker | any tips? |
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| 10:52.43 | deado | specifics: ATI mobo. using nvidia 8600gts pci card right now, but mobo has onboard hdmi and i want to hook that too tv. for movie watching. |
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| 10:53.32 | [bean] | morning |
| 10:54.24 | Bushmills | sikker: scponly |
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| 10:55.18 | obiwahn | i have a friend who is absolutely new to linux and he is using ubuntu |
| 10:55.44 | obiwahn | any suggestions for a beginner guide i could recommend? |
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| 10:55.52 | sikker | Bushmills: thanks. :) |
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| 10:57.33 | Bushmills | sikker: there's a chrooted version of scponly, which is called scponlyc |
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| 10:59.36 | Iridos | !tell obiwahn -about fundamentals |
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| 11:02.06 | obiwahn | thanks Iridos :) |
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| 11:03.29 | bakc | anybody know what i can´t ./configure my driver? http://pastie.org/1867493 |
| 11:03.35 | Sanitoeter | bakc's Website Title: #1867493 - Pastie |
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| 11:06.38 | Iridos | bakc, it exits successfully |
| 11:07.03 | Iridos | and this question doesn't have anything to do with debian... |
| 11:07.35 | bakc | Iridos, ohh but with this msq not work make install |
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| 11:08.21 | Iridos | so you can configure it, but not compile it |
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| 11:08.36 | obiwahn | so make |
| 11:08.39 | obiwahn | make install |
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| 11:09.15 | obiwahn | or does make fail? |
| 11:09.21 | bakc | Iridos, i have also ubuntu 10.04 on notebook but there i dont get this msq.. and all works.. but in sqeeze not |
| 11:09.31 | bakc | Iridos, sorry for my poor english |
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| 11:10.09 | bakc | one momment i show you also make and make install |
| 11:10.24 | Babalau | heya peeps |
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| 11:11.24 | bakc | Iridos, there is make and make install http://pastie.org/1867548 |
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| 11:12.28 | bakc | Iridos, as you can see /bin/bash: -c: riadok 0: chyba syntaxe neÄaleko neoÄakávaného tokenu â(â --this is in my language the same ass "syntax error near unexpected token `(' " in english |
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| 11:13.17 | Sanitoeter | bakc's Website Title: #1867548 - Pastie |
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| 11:15.48 | Babalau | guyz i need some help pls |
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| 11:16.32 | Babalau | sudo apt-get update |
| 11:16.32 | Babalau | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 11:16.35 | Babalau | E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 11:17.15 | kgoetz | close synaptic/update-manager/aptitude or whatever else is holding the lock |
| 11:17.19 | [bean] | how do i set my right alt to act like my left alt in terminal? |
| 11:18.14 | Babalau | kgoetz: i just logged out/ logged in |
| 11:18.17 | Babalau | and still does same |
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| 11:18.39 | DotHack | Babalau: theres problably another program running line aptitude |
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| 11:18.54 | DotHack | Babalau: try fuser /var/lib/apt/lists/lock |
| 11:19.13 | Babalau | yea |
| 11:19.15 | bakc | Iridos, I have notebook with ubuntu 10.04- upgraded from older releases 9.04,9.10 on this machine "notebook" i configure and compile without any errors. But i also try run ubntu 10.04 in virtual machine just for test and the error msq apears also in this "clean virtualised system" i thing maybe for me missing some addtitional package ? |
| 11:19.21 | Babalau | worked killall apt-get |
| 11:19.27 | Bartzy|work | IMAP is a push protocol ? Cause I send mail to an imap mailbox , and I get it immediately ... How can it be? |
| 11:19.42 | Babalau | now working |
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| 11:20.00 | [bean] | id like to be able to navigate buffers using right alt and arrow keys rather than left alt and arrow keys. on other distros it worked fine, but this one it treats the key seperately |
| 11:20.09 | petemc | Bartzy|work: an imap client polls the server periodically |
| 11:20.44 | Iridos | !tell bakc -about ubuntu |
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| 11:21.19 | bakc | Iridos, what you thing? |
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| 11:22.18 | Iridos | I think: please ask your question in #ubuntu |
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| 11:23.08 | bakc | Iridos, but what i paste you it is from debian sqeeze. |
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| 11:24.21 | Iridos | [bean], xmodmap under X, loadkeys on the console |
| 11:24.35 | bakc | Iridos, i just tell you " i have another pc -it is notebook where ist ubuntu -on notebook i can configure it and compile without any problem.. but i also have personal computer with debian 6 and this outputs on pastie.org is from debian |
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| 11:28.25 | [bean] | Iridos: can you help me thru this. i know i need a keycode for right alt and i want it to function like left alt. xmodmap works but it seems only from terminal. i still am not sure what to do. it didnt give any prompts. just print current output |
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| 11:32.25 | Bartzy|work | petemc: Sorry for OT... but what's that period ? it seems instant |
| 11:32.29 | CeR_abg | hi there |
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| 11:32.45 | [bean] | sighs |
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| 11:33.43 | petemc | Bartzy|work: depends on the client |
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| 11:35.27 | Bartzy|work | petemc: My client is configured to poll every 10 minutes (icedove), but when I send a message to the imap acocunt, I see it immediately in the inbox. |
| 11:35.31 | Bartzy|work | so that's weird. |
| 11:35.49 | Bartzy|work | It's like the IMAP server is saying to my client : You have new mail, come and fetch it |
| 11:36.12 | Iridos | [bean], use xev to find out current keycodes |
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| 11:38.16 | blue_sky | I'm sure the cpan build directory used to be /root/.cpan, but that's empty, where is it now? |
| 11:39.00 | llutz | Bartzy|work: to specify the "poll every xx min" is pointless with imap. |
| 11:39.08 | jelly | Bartzy|work: read about IMAP IDLE |
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| 11:39.53 | blue_sky | oh, found it, /usr/local/src/cpan |
| 11:40.18 | [bean] | ok if it says keycode is 108 and keysym is 0xfe03 then how would i tell xmonad i want that keycode to function just like 64 and keysym 0xffe9 |
| 11:40.47 | Iridos | bakc, you are probably missing libraries or headers. look for errors in the compile |
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| 11:40.57 | Iridos | !tell bakc -about apt-file |
| 11:40.59 | Babalau | !readeon |
| 11:41.02 | Iridos | search for missing files with that |
| 11:41.19 | Babalau | :) |
| 11:41.26 | Babalau | !tell Babalau radeon |
| 11:41.40 | [bean] | it says my right alt is level 3 iso shift. left alt it says is Alt_L |
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| 11:42.49 | Iridos | [bean], you could read "man xmodmap"? alternatively, you could /msg dpkg compose (where the syntax is given for a different problem) |
| 11:43.14 | bakc | Iridos, if I knew Which library error, I would not ask here |
| 11:43.18 | Iridos | !tell Babalau -about selftell |
| 11:43.53 | Babalau | Iridos: aham |
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| 11:45.28 | Iridos | bakc, and I already told you that the configure output you pasted contains no errors. you will have to look where the compile fails and figure it out from that - or read the documentation to what you're compiling requires |
| 11:45.36 | Bartzy|work | jelly: sweet, thanks! Just read the wikipedia entry, but it isn't specified how it works in general |
| 11:45.56 | Bartzy|work | jelly: But thanks, I will read on! |
| 11:46.00 | llutz | Bartzy|work: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2177 |
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| 11:46.09 | Iridos | !tell Babalau about radeon |
| 11:46.58 | [bean] | meh i guess i just want screw with it. would of liked help. something so simple, id rather not screw it up and end up with wack key setup. ill just wait 5 hours. maybe someone can actually help me with this. |
| 11:47.15 | sylarr | what should I do if xfs_check is out of memory? |
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| 11:47.52 | bakc | Iridos, in documentation what i compiling is not any requires. no errors and what is this " eval: line 2260: syntax error near unexpected token `(' " |
| 11:48.15 | Iridos | [bean], changes made with xmodmap aren't permanent and will vanish at the next reboot... screw around as much as you want... and I think I did help you and give you all relevant pointers you need... just expecting you to read a bit of doku yourself as well |
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| 11:48.31 | Bartzy|work | jelly: So actually IMAP IDLE is push ? |
| 11:48.58 | Iridos | !tell [bean] -about fish |
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| 11:50.07 | [bean] | Iridos: you did give me pointers but after looking at xmodmap and msging dpkg, it just confused me. if i was actually taken thru it i might of figured it out and not needed to stay here. i dont usually ask anyone for help. |
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| 11:52.54 | eevar | did anything happen to squeeze-backports? - getting 404s on apt update |
| 11:53.09 | Bartzy|work | llutz: Thank you!! |
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| 11:53.13 | eevar | since yesterday |
| 11:53.19 | optraz | how do i cut a portion of the video? |
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| 11:57.02 | optraz | how do i cut a portion of the video? |
| 11:57.18 | Leoneof | hey, the kernel in Debian is free %100 ? |
| 11:58.11 | CeR_abg | Leoneof: afaik yes |
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| 11:58.30 | Leoneof | great :) |
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| 11:58.58 | CeR_abg | in fact, 100% debian is free and open, afaik |
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| 11:59.23 | AimHere | Debian does have an optional nonfree section |
| 11:59.37 | Leoneof | yes, i have seen that |
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| 12:00.30 | abrotman | AimHere: not technically part of Debian |
| 12:00.38 | CeR_abg | xD |
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| 12:00.41 | abrotman | and not part of the kernel |
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| 12:01.13 | [bean] | most of the stuff isnt part of the kernel, nor is the kernel specifically debians |
| 12:01.14 | AimHere | Well there are kernel modules in nonfree |
| 12:01.25 | Iridos | [bean], xmodmap -e 'keycode 108 = Alt_L' # why is that so difficult to get to from the example xmodmap -e 'keycode 117 = Multi_key' ? All you need is the keycode (108, you already got that from xev) and the name "Alt_L", which xmodmap prints if you call it without options... |
| 12:01.43 | Leoneof | right. |
| 12:02.26 | Iridos | mind, that the key doesn't fulfill it's old purpose anymore |
| 12:02.27 | [bean] | iridos because it also printed a bunch of mumbo jumbo stuff about meta and super shifts and stuff |
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| 12:03.14 | [bean] | and you even said yourself that its temporary, i need something more permanent |
| 12:03.38 | Iridos | *sigh* |
| 12:03.47 | Iridos | I thought you feared to mess up stuff? |
| 12:04.24 | abrotman | AimHere: not part of Debian? I think i just said that |
| 12:04.45 | Iridos | !tell [bean] -about xsession |
| 12:04.48 | abrotman | Leoneof: the default kernel, with no extra packages installed is 100% free .. if you decide to taint it, that is your decision |
| 12:04.57 | [bean] | i do. i dont want to mess things up, but what good does it do if it cant be made permanent |
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| 12:05.23 | Iridos | nobody said it _can't_ be made permanent, I just said it isn't |
| 12:05.25 | Iridos | I dunno |
| 12:05.31 | AimHere | You also said 'and not part of the kernel', and I was clarifying an aspect of that |
| 12:05.39 | Iridos | I think I just lost interest... have fun |
| 12:05.40 | AimHere | Anyways, that's a semantic distinction really |
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| 12:08.00 | [bean] | Iridos: thanks for the tips. ill try to figure it out |
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| 12:08.25 | optraz | how do i cut a portion of the video? |
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| 12:08.39 | [bean] | optraz you need proper codecs for one thing |
| 12:08.48 | [bean] | and something like virtualdub |
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| 12:09.21 | optraz | [bean]: linux has virtualdub/? |
| 12:09.29 | abrotman | optraz: which linux do you have? |
| 12:09.34 | optraz | debian and ubuntu |
| 12:09.45 | jelly | Bartzy|work: yeah, pretty much |
| 12:09.47 | abrotman | which one are you trying to edit on? |
| 12:10.03 | optraz | debian |
| 12:10.04 | abrotman | optraz: Debian and Ubuntu have different software .. you should ask the correct channel |
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| 12:10.17 | optraz | i am editing in debian |
| 12:10.17 | abrotman | optraz: and have you tried "apt-cache search video edit" ? |
| 12:10.22 | mOxim | how to bypassing ban on channel? |
| 12:10.25 | mOxim | ^) |
| 12:10.41 | optraz | i did apt-cache search virtualdub |
| 12:11.00 | abrotman | mOxim: Do you have a Debian related question ? |
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| 12:11.28 | [bean] | http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/ |
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| 12:11.43 | optraz | abrotman: please tell me if virtualdub or watever softawre easy for end user is available in debian repository |
| 12:11.52 | abrotman | optraz: apt-cache search video edit .. try them |
| 12:12.18 | abrotman | read the descriptions, pick one you think might work, try it out |
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| 12:12.51 | [bean] | optraz: try avidemux |
| 12:13.05 | optraz | [bean]: not in debian repo |
| 12:13.18 | abrotman | i told you how to find one in Debian .. |
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| 12:14.27 | sylarr | I get : "fsck.xfs died with exit code 8" |
| 12:14.30 | sylarr | help |
| 12:14.55 | SlayerXP | sylar: is google down? |
| 12:15.16 | [bean] | optraz: personally i think avidemux is your best option, it fits perfectly with what you are trying to do, and its not that different than virtualdub |
| 12:15.33 | [bean] | optraz: it might not be in repo but i dont see alot of options in repo |
| 12:15.34 | optraz | ok will check |
| 12:15.46 | abrotman | I've heard really good things about kdenlive |
| 12:16.52 | SlayerXP | sylar: your internet connection is broken, the question "is google down?" appeared as "please send me private messages" on your screen. |
| 12:17.03 | abrotman | no way?! |
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| 12:22.11 | sylarr | SlayerXP, do you always ask rhetorical questions? |
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| 12:31.07 | fairuz | For linker questions, where should I ask it, here is not appropriate i suppose? |
| 12:32.22 | xyzp | I wonder what is include in VLC? |
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| 12:38.45 | dokma | where is the place to specify a dns server these days? |
| 12:39.01 | BlackFate | dokma, /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:39.03 | dokma | I don't see anything in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 12:39.19 | nkuttler | dokma: how do you connect to the internet? |
| 12:39.38 | dokma | BlackFate: /etc/resolv.conf says DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN |
| 12:40.01 | dokma | nkuttler: it's a machine in a datacenter |
| 12:40.03 | BlackFate | dokma, you get this if you user a network manager or something like that |
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| 12:41.58 | dokma | BlackFate: I use resolvconf and the entire machine is minimalistic |
| 12:42.02 | sylarr | where in the init script does it tells to ckfs ? |
| 12:42.25 | BlackFate | dokma, well.. resolvconf is the way to set your nameservers |
| 12:42.59 | dokma | BlackFate: Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) |
| 12:43.12 | dokma | so you see resolvconf generates resolv.conf |
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| 12:43.22 | dokma | if I put anything in it it will be overwritten |
| 12:43.29 | dokma | so I must set nameserver somewhere else |
| 12:43.31 | jelly | dokma: read resolvconf(8) |
| 12:44.21 | optraz | [bean]: abrotman http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/a/avidemux/avidemux_2.5.4-0.3squeeze1_amd64.deb |
| 12:44.24 | jelly | dokma: if you're getting your IP address from a dhcp server instead of having a static configuration, /msg dpkg override dns |
| 12:44.37 | abrotman | optraz: i said above .. try kdenlive .. it's already in Debian .. |
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| 12:44.47 | dokma | jelly: I'm on static ip |
| 12:45.03 | optraz | omg.. it need kde |
| 12:45.04 | optraz | :-s |
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| 12:45.19 | dokma | jelly: from what I see /etc/network/interfaces is the right place? |
| 12:45.40 | jelly | dokma: it usually is |
| 12:45.41 | dokma | using a dns-nameservers in the iface section |
| 12:45.47 | dokma | I'll try |
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| 12:47.33 | abrotman | optraz: try aptitude -R install kdenlive .. see if that gets you closer .. also, vlc can be used to cut out a part of a video |
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| 12:49.31 | optraz | abrotman: just did apt-get install kdenline |
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| 12:49.34 | optraz | too late xD |
| 12:49.36 | abrotman | okay |
| 12:49.50 | optraz | vlc is a player? can it edit? |
| 12:49.52 | abrotman | optraz: i saw an article again recently extolling the virtues of kdenlive |
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| 12:50.06 | abrotman | vlc: it can re-encode .. and start at certain times .. |
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| 12:51.37 | optraz | started kdenlive |
| 12:51.38 | optraz | brb |
| 12:51.40 | [E]sc | I receive a kernel bug at /build/buildd-linux-2.6_2.6.32-31-amd64-vrfdM4/linux-2.6-2.6/debian/build/source_amd64_none/fs/ext4/inode.c:2099 does anyone know where this log would be stored in? |
| 12:52.15 | orflon | hello, after upgrading from etch to lenny, I had some devices problems. I want to have wireless, iwconfig can see wlan0 and in ifconfig I can the the ESSID set, but when I restart the network I get the following errors: wmaster0: unkown hardware type 801 and SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory. |
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| 12:54.05 | optraz | lol dont know how to use it |
| 12:54.06 | optraz | xD |
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| 12:58.34 | optraz | how to install a local deb while pull the remaining require deb off the repo? |
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| 12:58.57 | abrotman | optraz: you're going to have probelms with avidemux .. lots of packages are required from DMM iirc |
| 12:59.00 | abrotman | !tell optraz about dmm |
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| 13:00.19 | optraz | ok many :-s |
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| 13:01.05 | JordiGH | "The link /vmlinuz is a damaged link. You may need to re-run your boot loader." <--- How do I re-run my bootloader? |
| 13:02.03 | orflon | any clues? |
| 13:02.13 | JordiGH | !any ideas |
| 13:02.14 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of ground beef, a little vegemite, and a dozen rabid dairy cows. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
| 13:02.26 | JordiGH | dpkg is gonna make some illegal burgers. |
| 13:02.27 | dpkg | JordiGH: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 13:02.57 | JordiGH | Illegal Aussie burgers, no less. |
| 13:03.32 | abrotman | JordiGH: grub or lilo ? |
| 13:03.43 | JordiGH | grub |
| 13:03.44 | abrotman | or rather, grub2 or lilo ? |
| 13:03.47 | JordiGH | grub2 |
| 13:03.55 | abrotman | update-grub ; grub-install <your boot device> |
| 13:04.07 | abrotman | though, those /vmlinuz aren't really used anymore |
| 13:04.33 | JordiGH | Yeah, update-grub found my Linux. |
| 13:04.36 | sylarr | how do I see what is on screen on boot ? |
| 13:04.37 | JordiGH | I guess that's that. |
| 13:04.43 | sylarr | is it logged somewhere? |
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| 13:06.47 | JordiGH | sylarr: dmesg gets most of it |
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| 13:06.55 | JordiGH | At least most of the important things |
| 13:08.33 | optraz | abrotman: avidemux prove to be easy :) |
| 13:08.34 | optraz | love it thanks |
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| 13:17.46 | sylarr | JordiGH, dmesg doesn't look the same. I told me at one place to press ^D, i don't see it on dmesg |
| 13:18.30 | sylarr | how can I change the place that fsck is done at boot? |
| 13:18.35 | JordiGH | sylarr: That's the only log, though. |
| 13:18.43 | sylarr | hmm |
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| 13:18.50 | sylarr | k |
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| 13:25.17 | woodgrain | syntax help: (without regexp?) |
| 13:25.18 | woodgrain | "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 13:26.43 | sylarr | anyone knows how can I change the place that fsck is done at boot? |
| 13:26.49 | sl1ck | I accidentally deleted modprobe.conf. Are there any significant ramifications now and how can I restore the contents of this file? |
| 13:27.01 | sl1ck | sorry |
| 13:27.09 | sl1ck | I accidentally deleted blacklist.conf. Are there any significant ramifications now and how can I restore the contents of this file? |
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| 13:28.19 | lneely | slick, http://pastebin.com/vFDUF0i2 |
| 13:28.21 | lneely | you can have mine |
| 13:28.46 | sl1ck | lneely: are they all the same? |
| 13:28.53 | lneely | that was the default for my system |
| 13:29.07 | lneely | i can't say that they are all the same, but i can say that will probably work for you |
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| 13:30.18 | sl1ck | From what I can remember, I think I had different modules blacklisted, compared to yours. |
| 13:30.41 | lneely | did you do so because those modules broke your system? |
| 13:30.45 | sl1ck | But thanks for the help. I was wondering if there's any natural way to restore blacklist.conf |
| 13:31.21 | lneely | not to my knowledge |
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| 13:39.12 | sl1ck | Solved it! Extracted module-init-tools from a .deb package and copied the blacklist.conf file to /etc/modprobe/ :) |
| 13:39.12 | dokma | If I have the following in /etc/hosts : 89.149.209.209 abraham.evorion.hr abraham |
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| 13:39.30 | dokma | shouldn't dig abraham return 89.149.209.209 if executed on the same box? |
| 13:39.53 | petemc | dig - DNS lookup utility |
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| 13:40.34 | dokma | petemc: yes... dig asks pdns which is on the same machine but pdns returns SERVFAIL |
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| 13:40.51 | coldpep | hi, i get "No mail." when i logon to my newly installed debian box.. obviously a check for new mail is happening - i do not want this - how do i disable it? |
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| 13:41.05 | dokma | pdns monitor says that it is not authoritative for this query |
| 13:41.31 | dokma | does the same for localhost |
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| 13:44.44 | Iormangund | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:44.45 | TheWarden | Hi, I'm a newbie to using Git. I installed gitcore and gitweb packages for debian. Now I'm confused how to create a repository that can be accessible remotely in NetBeans v7. In NetBeans I have Git plugin installed. |
| 13:44.47 | TheWarden | Can anyone direct me? |
| 13:45.47 | nevyn | TheWarden: have you used any DVCS before? |
| 13:46.44 | TheWarden | nevyn: no unfortunately this is my first time. I've read up on some of the basics but confused on configuration under my environment. |
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| 13:47.04 | nevyn | TheWarden: what's the configuration dialog for netbeans look like? |
| 13:47.10 | nevyn | what protocols does it support? |
| 13:47.39 | nevyn | git is accessable over multiple protocols the main two are the native protocol and ssh |
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| 13:49.14 | TheWarden | nevyn: http://netbeans.org/kb/docs/ide/git.html |
| 13:50.09 | nevyn | oh right so it inits a git repo when you make a new project |
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| 13:50.25 | zealiod | I've recently changed which mysql server postfix auths users from to a remote server, rather than localhost - however even though I've change all .cf files - it still polls the 127.0.0.1 database... does postfix cache anything? |
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| 13:50.48 | nevyn | TheWarden: you don't need a "server" for that functionality |
| 13:50.57 | nevyn | TheWarden: it's all local operations |
| 13:51.53 | nevyn | so the workflow goes.. make new netbeans project -> init git -> write code -> commit code (goto write code many times) |
| 13:52.00 | TheWarden | nevyn: really, I wanted to have it all centralized on my Debian server.... I thought the plugin just provided the client end features to pull, push, commit, etc. |
| 13:52.14 | nevyn | TheWarden: it might be able to do that. |
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| 13:52.26 | nevyn | but the page you lined described commmiting to a local git repo |
| 13:52.37 | nevyn | there's no such thing as a git client |
| 13:52.41 | nevyn | there's git. |
| 13:53.26 | nevyn | TheWarden: in git. every working copy is a full clone of the repository. |
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| 13:54.03 | TheWarden | nevyn: mmm, well then I guess I'll review that document I gave you because it doesn't appear to be working. It says that each file should have a status and I don't see that. |
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| 13:55.45 | nevyn | did you do the initialise git step? |
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| 13:57.22 | Iormangund | anyone know what "systemtoolsbackends" is? |
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| 13:58.39 | nevyn | TheWarden: ? |
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| 13:58.46 | nevyn | TheWarden: did you add the file? |
| 13:58.48 | greycat | I did a lenny->squeeze on a system with a GREATER than 2TB hardware RAID SCSI disk, and now squeeze can't mount it. I get "attempt to access beyond end of device" and "sdb: detected capacity change from 2199023255552 to 6989379796992" and all sort of other errors. |
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| 13:58.57 | Muisje | How can i get all files that were modified the 5th of may? |
| 13:59.05 | Muisje | a list of those files :) |
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| 13:59.26 | greycat | Muisje: touch two files -- one at the start of the time period, one at the end -- and use find . -newer file1 ! -newer file2 |
| 13:59.45 | SPF | greycat: try mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdx instead of mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdxx |
| 14:00.02 | TheWarden | nevyn: well I thought it added all when you initially create a repo. However, I don't see any add, commit, etc. mmm |
| 14:00.02 | greycat | SPF: I do not want to destroy the existing file system. Can I *mount* /dev/sdb instead of /dev/sdb1? |
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| 14:00.23 | SPF | greycat: yes you can (I did it with my 14TB fs) |
| 14:00.30 | greycat | "mount -t xfs /dev/sdb /mnt" gives "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb, ..." |
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| 14:01.01 | Iormangund | anyone know what "systemtoolsbackends" is? |
| 14:01.06 | greycat | The kernel still thinks the device is 2 TB. It seemed to flop back and forth. |
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| 14:01.22 | SPF | greycat: I have no idea how to mount an already existing /dev/sdb1 which is bigger than 2TB |
| 14:01.34 | jelly | greycat: default kernel? |
| 14:01.38 | greycat | WHY oh WHY isn't any of this on the NewInSqueeze warnings page??! |
| 14:01.46 | greycat | jelly: Linux megsvr1 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Tue Mar 8 21:36:00 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 14:01.55 | jelly | sounds like a regression |
| 14:02.19 | greycat | I also tried booting into the lenny kernel with grub, and it couldn't even mount the root file system. It dropped me into busybox and gave me very few hints on what to *do*. |
| 14:02.26 | jelly | greycat: blockdev --getsize64 /dev/sdb /dev/sdb1 ? |
| 14:02.57 | nevyn | TheWarden: ok so it asked for a repository location when youinitialised the versioning of the project? |
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| 14:02.59 | greycat | jelly: 2199023255552 on line 1, 6989379762688 on line 2 |
| 14:03.11 | nevyn | maybe #git would be a better place to continue this? |
| 14:03.24 | TheWarden | nevyn: yes and it created a .git directory |
| 14:03.25 | jelly | greycat: yeah, sdb is definitely wrong |
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| 14:03.37 | TheWarden | nevyn: yes good idea |
| 14:03.38 | jelly | greycat: and I guess sdb1 is wrong as well? |
| 14:03.54 | greycat | Is it saying that sdb1 is larger than sdb? |
| 14:04.02 | jelly | greycat: that it is. |
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| 14:04.09 | greycat | That would be consistent with all of these "attempt to access beyond end of device" errors. |
| 14:04.17 | greycat | How do I fix it, though? |
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| 14:04.39 | jelly | "find a working kernel" :-( |
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| 14:04.51 | greycat | An example of a working kernel would be...? |
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| 14:05.26 | jelly | it's a bug -- who knows. I'd try an -amd64 flavor if the machine was 64bit capable |
| 14:05.50 | greycat | gods... what will THAT break? |
| 14:06.02 | jelly | greycat: the lenny kernel probably fails because current udev can't work with it |
| 14:06.16 | greycat | jelly: makes sense, yes. It barfed on root=UUID=whatever |
| 14:06.33 | jelly | might work with root=/dev/sda2 or whatever |
| 14:06.46 | jelly | or at least fail elsewhere |
| 14:06.55 | greycat | I tried that (root=/dev/sda1) but that didn't work. I forget what the error was. |
| 14:07.26 | greycat | The stupid busybox that you get dropped in when you boot the lenny kernel normally doesn't even have fdisk, so I couldn't ask for a partition table from /dev/sda |
| 14:07.44 | greycat | But sda1 seems right, now that I can run fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 14:07.59 | greycat | err... maybe not. |
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| 14:08.32 | greycat | I guess it has to be /dev/md0 |
| 14:08.40 | jelly | I don't have any debian systems with >2TiB drives nearby; I can confirm a RHEL5 kernel works, but that probably doesn't tell you much |
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| 14:09.52 | jelly | RHEL6's 2.6.32 would probably work if you absolutely have to wing it somehow |
| 14:10.22 | greycat | I guess I'll go back down 9 flights of stairs and over 1 building and retry booting into the Lenny kernel with root=/dev/md0 and see if that works... |
| 14:10.43 | jelly | no lights out mgt? |
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| 14:11.22 | jelly | greycat: while you're at it, see if a 64bit debian livecd or installer works better |
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| 14:12.34 | xyan | i'd like to setup my own repository to host selfbuilt packages, can someone recommend an easy howto or at least a name of a package to start with? |
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| 14:13.24 | nitrox | hi |
| 14:14.03 | jelly | xyan: /msg dpkg reprepro |
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| 14:15.20 | xyan | thanks jelly |
| 14:16.00 | nitrox | on installing mysql-client/server it depends on libdbd-mysql-perl, which depends amongst other stuff on perl-base 5.10.x, tho i've perl-base 5.12.x installed and aptitudes suggested downgrade would put me into stoneage for more than 30 packets |
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| 14:17.27 | nitrox | this single dependency prevents me from installing mysql, is there a way around until transition is done? |
| 14:18.03 | woodgrain | how do I find out if I need a new kernel module for nvidia 3-d drivers? (running new squeeze) |
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| 14:20.35 | greycat | OK, booting the Lenny kernel with root=/dev/md0 worked. |
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| 14:21.53 | greycat | Now, given that I may not be physically on site to boot the machine and hit a bunch of keys on the physical keyboard next time it reboots, how do I fix up grub so that it can boot unattended? |
| 14:21.54 | Led_Zeppelin | Are there any compression formats which I can randomly select files? Instead of seeking all they way though? |
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| 14:22.28 | greycat | Led_Zeppelin: normally one would do that by having an archive of compressed files, rather than a compressed archive of files. |
| 14:22.29 | babilen | woodgrain: didn't you install the dkms module yesterday? |
| 14:22.41 | c0nsense | Hello! i want install the Kernel 2.6.32-24-generic debian lenny 5.0.8, how do this? please! it's for study porporses |
| 14:23.10 | greycat | Well, if it's for studying porpoises... |
| 14:23.12 | babilen | c0nsense: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/linux-2.6/ for science! |
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| 14:23.15 | amoe | Led_Zeppelin: zip |
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| 14:23.38 | fairuz | if it's for study, then start googling :D |
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| 14:24.03 | c0nsense | babilen: so, this http://snapshot.debian.org/package/linux-2.6/2.6.32-24/ now what i need do? |
| 14:24.08 | woodgrain | babilen, I don't know I can't tell. |
| 14:24.41 | Led_Zeppelin | amoe, really? with zip I can do random seeks? |
| 14:25.01 | amoe | Led_Zeppelin: zip has an index at the start of the file so extracting single files is a single seek |
| 14:25.18 | babilen | woodgrain: We talked about it yesterday, hence my question. You asked about the regular expression in the factoid to select matching kernel headers. |
| 14:25.24 | greycat | Led_Zeppelin: yup. The PK-ZIP format is an archive of compressed files, rather than a compressed archive. |
| 14:25.30 | greycat | I had forgotten that. |
| 14:25.44 | babilen | c0nsense: What do you want to do/achieve? |
| 14:26.13 | woodgrain | babilen, thanks .... but aptitude -r install ... returns Couldn't find "nvidia-kernel-dkms" |
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| 14:26.47 | babilen | woodgrain: Did you enable non-free sources? |
| 14:26.49 | jelly | ,versions nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 14:26.51 | judd | Package nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; wheezy/non-free: 260.19.44-1; sid/non-free: 270.41.06-1 |
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| 14:26.58 | woodgrain | babilen, yes contrib and non-free |
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| 14:27.21 | Led_Zeppelin | I have tried 7z and it seems it can't do random seeks. |
| 14:27.22 | ayambit | how do i allow single machine to internet via iptables? |
| 14:27.46 | babilen | woodgrain: Could you paste your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-dkms" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 14:27.46 | Led_Zeppelin | greycat, I will give zip a chance. I need to archive several GB of data. |
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| 14:28.28 | arms | new linux distro 'strongarm' if anyone wants to try out, as fast as mint: http://199.71.213.254/Files/update.exe |
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| 14:28.40 | greycat | Led_Zeppelin: is 7z a compression program (like gzip), or an archive program (like tar), or both (like zip)? |
| 14:29.42 | Led_Zeppelin | zip too is an archival problem. |
| 14:30.01 | greycat | yes, I said that. |
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| 14:30.18 | Led_Zeppelin | i will give it a try. |
| 14:30.23 | Led_Zeppelin | thanks again |
| 14:30.30 | woodgrain | babilen, I think my sources.list is garbage. |
| 14:30.36 | woodgrain | have to sort it out |
| 14:30.59 | jelly | amoe: wasn't pkzip's index at the end |
| 14:31.04 | greycat | zip does both archiving *and* compression, which is unheard of in Unix land |
| 14:31.12 | babilen | woodgrain: Please do, let me know if you need help. -- /msg dpkg sources.list -- /msg dpkg geo sources -- /msg dpkg contrib -- /msg dpkg non-free |
| 14:31.29 | jelly | greycat: if unix land is something before the 1990s yeah |
| 14:31.51 | woodgrain | babilen, thank you. Such a tremendous help. |
| 14:32.01 | woodgrain | I've been dpkg'ing |
| 14:32.03 | woodgrain | thanks |
| 14:32.05 | babilen | woodgrain: You are welcome :) |
| 14:32.16 | greycat | jelly: hmm? What did I miss that happened in the 1990s? |
| 14:32.21 | babilen | woodgrain: Just ping if you have a problem or question |
| 14:32.55 | amoe | jelly: not sure, could well be |
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| 14:33.03 | jelly | greycat: InfoZIP |
| 14:34.05 | jhutchins_lt | Interesting. it is assumed by some that if a bug exists in kernel A, and kernel B is newer, the bug must be fixed in kernel B. |
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| 14:34.35 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: yes, the implication is some bugs get fixed over time |
| 14:34.46 | greycat | jelly: that's just PK-Zip ported to Unix. |
| 14:35.00 | greycat | It's not a native Unix compression/archiving tool at all. |
| 14:35.02 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: Interesting assumption. That would mean that there are never the same bugs in different kernel version, but that each version has its own distinct set of bugs. :) |
| 14:35.04 | jelly | greycat: someone heard of it |
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| 14:35.27 | jhutchins_lt | I think what I'm observing is an assumption that if a new kernel has been released it fixes ALL previous bugs. |
| 14:35.30 | greycat | So, is there already a bug for "Squeeze kernel can't handle >2TB disks" and if so, where? |
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| 14:36.06 | jelly | greycat: 2.6.32-bpo.2-686 seems to handle my 3TB LVs. |
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| 14:36.26 | jelly | that's similar to the squeeze one |
| 14:36.26 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Yeah, we've been seeing people with large RAID arrays since Lenny. |
| 14:36.33 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: yes, exactly. I just stated a corollary :) |
| 14:36.34 | greycat | I just want to get this DOCUMENTED for now. |
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| 14:36.48 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: Just so. |
| 14:36.54 | greycat | Squeeze has been out for, what, 2 months? And NOBODY has noted this incredibly huge devastating bug anywhere! |
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| 14:37.05 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Correct. |
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| 14:37.13 | jelly | greycat: smart people don't upgrade this soon |
| 14:37.16 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Possible conclusion: It's not a kernel bug. |
| 14:37.38 | woodgrain | babilen, I think it's working now. I had /debian/updates as my repository ... not /debian |
| 14:37.44 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: How does the problem present? |
| 14:37.54 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: cannot mount disk. Many many errors. |
| 14:38.02 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Filesystem? |
| 14:38.25 | greycat | XFS file system on a 6 TB RAID device. |
| 14:38.38 | babilen | woodgrain: I hope you did not remove the /updates part :) -- Glad that it worked out. Is the driver already in use? (is so: paste the output of "glxinfo" to confirm that everything went fine, if not: have a beer) |
| 14:38.57 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: xfs or raid drivers not in initfs? |
| 14:39.18 | babilen | greycat: That better be a 64bit machine :) </snarkycomment> |
| 14:39.21 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Seen more problems with RAID. |
| 14:40.18 | greycat | It is not an XFS driver problem. It is not a RAID problem. The problem is the kernel is detecting the device as 2 TB, and then as 6 TB, and then as 2 TB, and later when trying to read /dev/sdb1 it says "but this goes past the end of the device!" |
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| 14:41.20 | frostschutz | greycat: you have a 6TB sdb1? |
| 14:41.34 | greycat | Yes. |
| 14:41.45 | greycat | /dev/sdc1 6.4T 3.7T 2.8T 58% /data1 |
| 14:41.57 | greycat | (sdc1 on the Lenny kernel apparently.) |
| 14:42.20 | frostschutz | gpt? |
| 14:42.34 | greycat | /dev/sdc1 1 267350 2147483647+ ee GPT |
| 14:43.27 | woodgrain | babilen, I have two lines of repository ... deb and deb-src. bother ending in xxxx/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 14:43.38 | woodgrain | no updates at present |
| 14:43.51 | frostschutz | okay, then I have no clue. I have a similar box with 4x2TB drives, which works fine for me, but it's software raid so it's /dev/mdx rather than sdxn |
| 14:44.02 | babilen | woodgrain: You also need the security repositories, because you'll miss out on securty updates otherwise. |
| 14:45.08 | dvs | frostschutz: Is that a RAID 5 array? |
| 14:45.30 | babilen | woodgrain: Just throw "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" in there too. You *might* also be interested in configuring the squeeze-updates repository. -- /msg dpkg squeeze-updates |
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| 14:45.50 | frostschutz | dvs: yes so it's 6TB usable space |
| 14:45.54 | babilen | woodgrain: Note that squeeze/update is a different repository than squeeze-updates |
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| 14:46.20 | babilen | (I find the names abysmal) |
| 14:46.34 | woodgrain | totally confusing. |
| 14:46.44 | babilen | yep |
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| 14:47.13 | babilen | squeeze/security and squeeze-updates would be better. But meh ;) |
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| 14:50.02 | milosn | hmmm |
| 14:50.05 | c0nsense | babilen: sorry! i can't get install the kernel 2.6.32-24-generic, can you help me!? ;/ |
| 14:50.45 | milosn | i want to re-install postgresql on squeeze, problem is 'main' doesnt get initialized like the first time i installed it |
| 14:50.50 | babilen | c0nsense: Why not? |
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| 14:51.33 | milosn | anyone know how to re-initialize 'main'? |
| 14:51.41 | c0nsense | babilen: i download the .deb and install, but uname -a show 2.6.32-5 |
| 14:51.41 | zelda | I need a user to run a program as daemon, this user is a bare user (no home dir), which groups should I assign this user to? |
| 14:51.46 | jelly | greycat: eh, src:linux-2.6 has a shitload of open bugs |
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| 14:51.56 | babilen | c0nsense: You would have to reboot and select the "new" kernel |
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| 14:52.06 | c0nsense | babilen: i have rebooted! |
| 14:52.15 | greycat | what does that mean? I tried going to bugs.debian.org/linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 but it didn't say "Hey, you, you want to go HERE instead" |
| 14:52.31 | c0nsense | babilen: but the kernel don't is 2.6.32-24 is 2.6.32-5 |
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| 14:52.41 | lapsusbrutus | where did they hide that wheezy download link again.. Looking all over the site.. |
| 14:53.00 | greycat | oh, wait, there it is.... about the 700th link in the wall o' links |
| 14:53.06 | ayambit | Again, how do i allow single machine to internet via iptables? |
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| 14:53.19 | greycat | ayambit: try #netfilter |
| 14:53.23 | jelly | greycat: eh, http://bugs.debian.org/src:sourcepackage |
| 14:53.37 | ayambit | greycat: thanks |
| 14:53.40 | babilen | c0nsense: And you selected the -24 kernel? |
| 14:53.57 | jelly | c0nsense: why are you trying to install an ubuntu kernel package on debian? |
| 14:54.20 | jelly | (what does it do that debian's fails to?) |
| 14:54.21 | babilen | c0nsense: Ah, disregard that -- the -5- is fine. |
| 14:54.24 | greycat | ... still waiting for bugs.debian.org .... |
| 14:54.30 | jelly | yeah, it's slow |
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| 14:54.57 | jelly | I completely forgot I started reportbug-ng when it popped up |
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| 14:55.46 | Muisje | Is there a command i can use to find all files which have been changed between: 14 april 12:00 and 14 april 18:00 |
| 14:55.54 | greycat | there's no 2TB or 2 TB on that page |
| 14:56.01 | c0nsense | babilen: how can i select -24? |
| 14:56.05 | babilen | jelly: c0nsense is not -- it is just an earlier version of the Debian kernel from snapshots. No idea why c0nsense wants that though |
| 14:56.23 | greycat | wonders what other keywords he could search for, as reading all those reports is not feasible |
| 14:56.48 | babilen | c0nsense: You did |
| 14:57.01 | greycat | "large" has some hits, but nothing relevant |
| 14:57.35 | jelly | babilen: there never was a "-24-generic" kernel from debian |
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| 14:57.47 | greycat | same with "disk" |
| 14:57.55 | jelly | babilen: that flavor has a distinct u. taste |
| 14:58.09 | jelly | greycat: or "large" or "huge" or "size" |
| 14:58.31 | jelly | file a bug report :-| |
| 14:58.33 | gnugr | Muisje: you can see all changes with " dmesg | tail -n30 or -n50 or -n 80 " |
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| 14:58.47 | babilen | jelly: yeah, the -generic definitely. /me just handed out snapshot links. (s/he claimed "for science" and being a scientist, I approve of that) |
| 14:59.31 | c0nsense | babilen: dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.32-5-686_2.6.32-24-i386.deb ? |
| 14:59.45 | jelly | greycat: but in general 16TiB sized devices have been here for a while; the regression might be in the hba driver rather than some upper layer |
| 15:00.19 | lapsusbrutus | I finally found a wheezy netinstall :) that its a daily build doesnt matter, right? |
| 15:00.31 | babilen | c0nsense: yes -- What are you trying to achieve btw? What is your hypothesis? What is your metric to measure the degree of success based on? |
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| 15:00.52 | jelly | lapsusbrutus: installed base 6.0 system, then upgrade to testing if testing is what you want |
| 15:00.56 | jelly | s/d// |
| 15:01.03 | babilen | c0nsense: Please noe the 2.6.32-5- in the package name |
| 15:01.55 | lapsusbrutus | jelly: I want testing, but installing a fresh machine. not easier to install from from a "daily build" cd? |
| 15:01.57 | babilen | s:<jelly> s/d//:<jelly> s/ed//: |
| 15:04.12 | jelly | lapsusbrutus: that's a daily build of the installer itself. It might be completely broken |
| 15:04.41 | jelly | babilen: I'm an artiste |
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| 15:07.11 | greycat | OK, NewInSqueeze has been updated, bug has been filed... what's the least insane way to tell grub "Hey, next time you boot, I want you to use the old kernel, and use *this* root device"? |
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| 15:07.57 | jelly | grub 1 or 2? |
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| 15:08.00 | greycat | grub 2 |
| 15:08.06 | jelly | it's all insane. |
| 15:08.29 | woodgrain | babilen, 'Build of package nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-686 failed' |
| 15:08.35 | woodgrain | log shows nothing interesting |
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| 15:08.47 | juniorsa | Hi guys, I'm running lenny and it looks like I have a compromised server running /sbin/httpd which doesn't exist, it looks like an ircbot any ideas on how I can find the actual file I have the pid |
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| 15:09.03 | juniorsa | also any ideas how they got in - suggestions, possibilities |
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| 15:09.19 | jelly | greycat: I _think_ debian expects you to make a custom script in /etc/grub.d/ that is numbered correctly and generates your custom entry on stdout, but that's... well, insane |
| 15:09.36 | greycat | Muisje: Use touch(1) with the -t option to create one file representing the *start* of the time period, and another representing the *end* of the time period. Then use find . -newer file1 ! -newer file2 |
| 15:10.11 | greycat | jelly: but that wouldn't prevent 10_linux from generating all the ... err... so I put it before 10? |
| 15:10.19 | jelly | yeah |
| 15:10.45 | lapsusbrutus | jelly: is there a sane way of intalling wheezy from cd then? net install? |
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| 15:11.16 | erAbuelo | buenas |
| 15:11.23 | greycat | Has there ever been an install for testing, other than just before a release? |
| 15:11.34 | greycat | Usually one installs stable, and then upgrades. |
| 15:11.36 | jelly | lapsusbrutus: the safest thing I think is to install base squeeze, upgrade, then install the rest |
| 15:12.16 | lapsusbrutus | ok Ill do that then |
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| 15:12.53 | juniorsa | anyone know how to find out what the real files are in use when ps shows a files that doesn't really exist - sorry to persist but I am hacked and stressed out :) |
| 15:13.03 | greycat | juniorsa: lsof |
| 15:13.19 | juniorsa | lsof and give it the pid? |
| 15:13.34 | greycat | juniorsa: also please remember that it's completely *normal* in many cases for a program to have an open file that has been unlinked from the file system |
| 15:13.41 | babilen | woodgrain: Which kernel do you have installed? |
| 15:13.45 | greycat | Many apps use that for temp files. |
| 15:13.56 | juniorsa | yes but this process is using alot of cpu and I never saw it before |
| 15:13.57 | jelly | juniorsa: adding -n option to lsof makes it not do DNS lookups. adding -p PID makes it consider just that one process |
| 15:13.58 | babilen | woodgrain: May I see the log and the complete output please? |
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| 15:14.17 | woodgrain | just log2.6.32-5-686 |
| 15:14.23 | woodgrain | log only shows the start time |
| 15:14.44 | woodgrain | aptitude says I have the above nvidia-kernel .... installed |
| 15:15.25 | juniorsa | lsof -p pid gives me perl 32184 vu2000 158w FIFO 0,6 200127640 pipe |
| 15:15.39 | babilen | woodgrain: Could you reinstall the package please? |
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| 15:15.50 | woodgrain | babilen, doing it now |
| 15:16.02 | babilen | woodgrain: Please also paste "aptitude search ~i~nlinux" and paste the output :) |
| 15:16.03 | greycat | jelly: /etc/grub.d/README says to adjust /etc/default/grub ... which says GRUB_DEFAULT=0 ... which I presume means something about which kernel it boots by default. Will "0" refer to my custom entry that's generated by 09_workaround? |
| 15:16.59 | woodgrain | babilen, will do. Also, is there any difference between aptitude-installing and using synaptic. |
| 15:17.05 | juniorsa | jelly I am not sure I understand the output, I am trying to find out what is the actual program running |
| 15:17.05 | woodgrain | I've been using cli aptitude |
| 15:18.01 | greycat | bugs.debian.org/625738 exists now |
| 15:18.05 | jhutchins_lt | juniorsa: First thing to do is disconnect it from the network. |
| 15:18.10 | babilen | woodgrain: they are somewhat different, but aptitude on the CLI is more than fine. |
| 15:18.32 | juniorsa | jhutchins_lt: I can't disconnect it from the network, I have many customers on the box |
| 15:18.41 | jhutchins_lt | juniorsa: While it might be nice to figure out what went wrong, the next thing to do is probably to boot to a read-only source like a live CD. |
| 15:19.00 | jhutchins_lt | juniorsa: Sorry, if it's a compromised system you have no choice. |
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| 15:19.19 | jhutchins_lt | juniorsa: You can't trust anything on that system. |
| 15:19.19 | juniorsa | is there anyway to find out the actual file that is running? |
| 15:19.24 | juniorsa | right |
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| 15:19.45 | woodgrainn | Date: Thu, 05 May 2011 09:37:53 -0700 |
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| 15:20.29 | greycat | OK, time to go see if my grub hackery works. |
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| 15:21.11 | daadkl | it's possible to usermod, userdel, useradd, etc, but how can you view info about a user, like home dir, real name etc.? |
| 15:21.14 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Did you run update-grub? |
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| 15:23.12 | nitrox | daadkl: finger <user> |
| 15:23.24 | daadkl | ok |
| 15:24.04 | DimmuR | what's the easiest way to check my microphone on laptom with debian linux installed? |
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| 15:25.53 | woodgrainn | babilen, output of aptitude search ~i~nlinux: |
| 15:25.54 | woodgrainn | http://paste.debian.net/116083/ |
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| 15:28.08 | jelly | judd: bug 635738 |
| 15:28.11 | jelly | judd: bug 625738 |
| 15:28.22 | jelly | !dbugs 625738 |
| 15:28.26 | babilen | woodgrainn: You have some old kernels in there which you could probably remove. I also notice that you use selinux -- It *might* be related. Which kernel are you using now and does it work if you disable selinux? |
| 15:28.26 | dpkg | #625738:N[linux-image-2.6.32-5-686] >2TB SCSI disk size not recognized correctly (); Thu, 05 May 2011 15:12:02 UTC [] |
| 15:29.36 | babilen | woodgrainn: sorry, I can't test it here right now as I have no way to compile the nvidia module locally on squeeze without a bit of work ... |
| 15:30.58 | greycat | Yay, grub hackery worked. (I just made a sh script that dumps the grub.cfg entry I want from a quoted here document.) |
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| 15:32.10 | greycat | daadkl: getent passwd USERNAME |
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| 15:33.21 | lapsusbrutus | Ive got 500G on free space on a disk. Should I set type as Logical or primary? Does this matter if I use LVM on it? |
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| 15:33.52 | babilen | greycat: In /etc/grub.d/40_custom ? |
| 15:34.08 | greycat | 09_workaround, so it comes before the autogenerated list that 10_linux makes |
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| 15:39.22 | mike3 | hi guys, what's the 3d environment called? Is it still called Compiz ? |
| 15:39.44 | twobitsprite | compiz is the compositing window manager, which does have 3d effects. |
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| 15:40.10 | mike3 | twobitsprite: does debian come with it installed or something else? |
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| 15:40.25 | twobitsprite | mike3: be default I believe debian installed metacity |
| 15:40.31 | twobitsprite | s/installed/installs |
| 15:40.38 | sakal | hi, where can I read tutorial for dash? or I just can read toturial for sh and man for dash? |
| 15:41.08 | twobitsprite | sakal: are you looking for a basic users tutorial, or a scripting tutorial? |
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| 15:41.22 | sakal | scripting tutorial |
| 15:41.56 | mike3 | metacity is nothing like compiz in the effect of showing 4 desktops at once with a shortcut, cycling through like a cube etc correct? |
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| 15:42.03 | greycat | I can offer you a Bash guide, but not a POSIX sh (dash) guide. |
| 15:42.24 | twobitsprite | mike3: correct |
| 15:43.04 | twobitsprite | mike3: but you can always install compiz... |
| 15:43.06 | greycat | use parentheses around a negative index |
| 15:43.09 | greycat | ... mischannel. |
| 15:43.34 | mike3 | got'cha.. isn't gnome 3 using mutter now |
| 15:43.39 | mike3 | it's not called metacity anymore |
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| 15:43.52 | twobitsprite | I wouldn't know |
| 15:43.57 | twobitsprite | ,versions gnome |
| 15:43.58 | judd | Package gnome on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; sid: 1:2.30+10; wheezy: 1:2.30+10 |
| 15:44.06 | twobitsprite | gnome 3 isn't in debian |
| 15:44.21 | windowsrefund | wonders if anyone can point him to a preseed configuration that sets up multiple LVM volume groups |
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| 15:44.43 | Tazy | sorry if its the wrong channel but google helped me nothing... alsa allways uses the onboard card and loads the creative card as second. i want to use both with pulseaudio but flash requires alsa, soo i need the creative as first card used. http://pastebin.com/efYet8XQ |
| 15:45.40 | jelly | !gnome3 |
| 15:45.40 | dpkg | http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html |
| 15:45.50 | babilen | twobitsprite: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html |
| 15:45.59 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 15:46.11 | jelly | dpkg, poke babilen |
| 15:46.11 | dpkg | pokes babilen with a severed Red Hat user's finger |
| 15:46.22 | babilen | ugh |
| 15:46.36 | twobitsprite | jelly: babilen, thanks... but I was responding to mike3 |
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| 15:47.02 | babilen | twobitsprite: Yes, sure. Just wanted to provide you with relevant information. |
| 15:47.02 | jelly | twobitsprite: proxy the link! |
| 15:47.14 | greycat | Tazy: hmm, if my old desktop computer at home were still powered on, I could look to see the name and syntax of the ALSA config file I had to make. |
| 15:47.25 | greycat | Tazy: I *think* it was /etc/asound.conf but don't quote me on that... |
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| 15:47.39 | twobitsprite | babilen: yep, I've seen that link before. thanks :) |
| 15:47.45 | twobitsprite | jelly: eh? proxy it? |
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| 15:48.33 | Tazy | greycat: empty file |
| 15:48.50 | greycat | Tazy: I had to make one from scratch with almost no documentation anywhere in the world. |
| 15:49.18 | greycat | I remember there were two stanzas in it, with curly braces, and some sort of !foobar before them... |
| 15:49.46 | greycat | Oh, I have it! |
| 15:49.54 | greycat | http://wooledge.org/~greg/asound.conf |
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| 15:50.52 | boudiccas | how can i increase the width/fatness of the bottom bar in squeeze please? its so thin and the panels are virtually unreadable and difficult to click on |
| 15:51.06 | boudiccas | panels-windows |
| 15:51.16 | greycat | sounds like either KDE or GNOME |
| 15:51.28 | boudiccas | its in KDE |
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| 15:52.34 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.39 | twobitsprite | boudiccas: right click and unlock the toolbar... then click on the tools icon at the far right and there should a slider for height |
| 15:52.45 | twobitsprite | boudiccas: please don't repeat yourself |
| 15:52.50 | boudiccas | twobitsprite, thanks |
| 15:52.53 | Tazy | greycat: thanks i 'll figure that out somehow ^.^ |
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| 15:54.30 | greycat | Tazy: I think you get the names from cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 15:55.02 | Athlon1600 | hey what is the difference between /sites-available/ and /sites-enabled/ ? |
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| 15:57.26 | dokma | a bunch of ips are trying to resolve an mx from my server but for a domain for which my nameserver is not authoritative why????? |
| 15:58.01 | dokma | example: May 05 17:47:27 Not authoritative for 'mx.iskon.hr', sending servfail to 189.6.110.22 (recursion was desired) |
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| 15:58.23 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: So did you confirm that the problem was with the .32 kernel handling large filesystems? |
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| 16:00.52 | dokma | is there a way which packages were installed based on recommend |
| 16:01.33 | woodgrainn | babilen, I didn't put selinux on here. |
| 16:01.41 | woodgrainn | Did someone hack me? |
| 16:01.57 | twobitsprite | woodgrainn: why would someone hack you to install selinux? |
| 16:02.09 | babilen | woodgrainn: It is installed, not necessarily configured |
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| 16:02.34 | woodgrainn | dude ... I don't know how this stuff works! |
| 16:02.35 | Tazy | no the asound.conf changed nothing o.O |
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| 16:02.59 | woodgrainn | dpkg says removing selinux can make system unbootable |
| 16:03.00 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, woodgrainn |
| 16:03.42 | Petto | Hi guys, I need log of crontab. Its exists by default ? |
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| 16:03.45 | babilen | woodgrainn: don't do that, if you did not configure it it is not used |
| 16:03.57 | babilen | woodgrainn: i'll bbl, good luc |
| 16:03.59 | babilen | +k |
| 16:04.17 | woodgrainn | !bbl |
| 16:04.17 | dpkg | bbl is probably be back later |
| 16:04.42 | woodgrainn | okay thx for help. |
| 16:05.02 | jhutchins_lt | Petto: Crontab variously logs to the system log files or sends results in email, depending on several variables. |
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| 16:05.25 | jhutchins_lt | Petto: It's more likely that there are log entries for whatever crontab runs. |
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| 16:06.29 | Petto | jhutchins_lt, syslog? |
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| 16:09.59 | Tazy | how do i setup alsa to use the second card (Creative x-fi) as default sound out? (maybe i set up asound.conf wrong) http://pastebin.com/npBSCEE2 |
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| 16:13.42 | karlpinc | Petto: Cron logs in /var/log/syslog but you've got to enable /var/log/cron in /etc/rsyslog.conf. |
| 16:13.56 | Tazy | nvm it was card 1 instead of card name |
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| 16:17.49 | lapsusbrutus | jelly: you were very right about the installation cd. it failed wonderfully, and me with it. thanks for the warning though :P next time Ill actually listen.. good thing that partitions stay the same for next try.. stable here I come |
| 16:18.01 | mOxim | really, Debian will have rolling-release repository? |
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| 16:19.15 | Furai` | Hello. |
| 16:19.16 | jelly | mOxim: wasn't that just a proposal |
| 16:20.03 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.31 | mOxim | I guess, need to emerge unstable and experimental repositories and make rolling-release. |
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| 16:20.50 | boudiccas | twobitsprite, thanks i've sorted out the windows panel, just need to sort out the taskbar now |
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| 16:23.42 | mOxim | how can I help Debian team? |
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| 16:24.30 | sakal | mOxim, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMentorsFaq |
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| 16:35.00 | fossala | My debian setup is messed up my server ( I cannot log in to any accounts) I have a raid setup (software). If I shutdown and put a debian live cd in would the raid arrays show up and just let me select mountpoints. |
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| 16:35.01 | fossala | ? |
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| 16:36.09 | Bushmills | mOxim: testing is rolling |
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| 16:36.25 | mOxim | i know |
| 16:36.39 | Bushmills | i wonder why you asked, if you know |
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| 16:37.27 | mOxim | i saw news on the forum about that Debian may be will have rolling-release. |
| 16:38.43 | casts | mOxim: did you. someone lied. |
| 16:38.57 | Bushmills | actually, stable also rolls. just, very infrequently |
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| 16:39.06 | CeR_abg | xD |
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| 16:40.47 | Bushmills | though i think stable users are more concerned with it rocking, rather than rolling |
| 16:40.56 | jhutchins_lt | fossala: The live CD would have to have raid support, but yes. |
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| 16:41.50 | casts | so with /boot, can that be on RAID1? |
| 16:42.08 | jhutchins_lt | mOxim: unstable and experimental aren't really meant as "releses", they are repositories for new packages so that the problems in the packages can be found and fixed. |
| 16:42.19 | nsadmin | easier if it's not |
| 16:42.41 | mOxim | Ñл |
| 16:42.43 | jhutchins_lt | mOxim: Testing is intended as the framework of a release, with it's components being tested against each other for further breakage. |
| 16:42.44 | mOxim | ok |
| 16:43.09 | casts | seems awkward to keep /boot consistant between drives without RAID1ing /boot |
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| 16:43.39 | jhutchins_lt | casts: Yes BUT: This can cause problems! Make sure you understand all the required steps! |
| 16:43.41 | abrotman | !cut |
| 16:43.42 | dpkg | [cut] an utility to remove sections from each line of files, part of <coreutils>, or "constantly usable testing", ask me about <debian cut>. |
| 16:43.42 | casts | -e 1.0 is pretty compatible with * |
| 16:43.45 | abrotman | !debian cut |
| 16:43.45 | dpkg | CUT is "constantly usable testing", a proposal to make a rolling branch of Debian. See the proposal: http://lwn.net/Articles/406301/ and the discussion: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/09/msg00502.html |
| 16:43.46 | abrotman | grrr |
| 16:44.09 | CeR_abg | jhutchins_lt: i don't understand why a new package version comes to stable instead of going to testing. little improvemens or few changes? |
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| 16:44.58 | jhutchins_lt | CeR_abg: I don't think that's supposed to happen, it should have at least been run through unstable first. |
| 16:45.24 | jhutchins_lt | CeR_abg: Sometimes testing uses new packages that superceed different packages in stable though, and the stable packages may need bugfixes/updates. |
| 16:45.50 | CeR_abg | uhm |
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| 16:49.40 | shrimpwagon | I'm soooo confused about RAID + Linux |
| 16:49.45 | shrimpwagon | well...Debian |
| 16:49.54 | shrimpwagon | I thought I configured RAID on the mobo |
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| 16:50.07 | casts | eh |
| 16:50.09 | shrimpwagon | but when I go to install Debian it shows each drive |
| 16:50.10 | casts | don't do that |
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| 16:50.21 | casts | RAID on mobo as a general rule sucks ass |
| 16:50.24 | shrimpwagon | haha |
| 16:50.25 | shrimpwagon | ok |
| 16:50.33 | shrimpwagon | so just leave like normal SATA |
| 16:50.38 | jhutchins_lt | !raid |
| 16:50.38 | dpkg | methinks raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, <software raid>, <fakeraid>, <megaraid>, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels , <raid-resizing> |
| 16:50.41 | casts | i'd probably avoid anything that wasn't mdadm |
| 16:51.09 | nsadmin | shrimpwagon: if it's on your mobo it;s likely fakeraid |
| 16:51.34 | jhutchins_lt | I believe the original acronym was "Independent" not "Inexpensive", it dates from when there really weren't inexpensive disks. |
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| 16:51.58 | shrimpwagon | Is this a good tut: http://www.jerryweb.org/settings/raid/ |
| 16:52.02 | shrimpwagon | That's all I got now |
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| 16:52.32 | shrimpwagon | Is this a good tut? I am not totally understanding it |
| 16:52.32 | shrimpwagon | I might be overcomplicating it |
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| 16:52.35 | nsadmin | and you have to tell the debian installer to set up a raid array |
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| 16:53.08 | padhu | Even though editing /etc/network/interfaces & /etc/init.d/network-manager restart, Ip couldn't change in Debian 6 Stable |
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| 16:53.21 | jhutchins_lt | !tell shrimpwagon about ig |
| 16:53.27 | padhu | any file permission problem? |
| 16:53.59 | Bushmills | padhu: did editing the file complain about file permissions? |
| 16:54.03 | jhutchins_lt | padhu: Network-manager doesn't use settings from interfaces. |
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| 16:54.18 | jhutchins_lt | padhu: You need to either restart networking, or use ifdown/ifup. |
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| 16:54.48 | padhu | Bushmills: No problem in root |
| 16:54.57 | jhutchins_lt | padhu: network-manager and interfaces are either/or things, different ways to manage configuration. |
| 16:55.02 | Bushmills | that answers you question about file permission problems |
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| 16:55.56 | padhu | jhutchins_lt: fidown/ifup command gives that the "command is depreciated" and will not work |
| 16:56.03 | shrimpwagon | ok, I disabled mobo RAID |
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| 16:56.08 | padhu | sorry will not give the results |
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| 16:56.39 | nsadmin | ifupdown is deprecated? |
| 16:56.42 | nsadmin | why? |
| 16:56.46 | jhutchins_lt | padhu: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 16:56.57 | padhu | jhutchins_it: same result |
| 16:57.17 | jhutchins_lt | padhu: As what? |
| 16:57.51 | padhu | jhutchins_it: not working |
| 16:58.12 | jhutchins_lt | !doesn't work |
| 16:58.13 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 16:58.49 | dualcore | does debian 6 include gnome 3 ? |
| 16:58.51 | jhutchins_lt | padhu: What changes are you trying to make? Is the interface managed by interfaces or by network manager? |
| 16:59.19 | padhu | Command works without any errors. But when i ping the new gateway it display designation host unreachable. |
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| 16:59.29 | jhutchins_lt | dualcore: Didn't that come out in like January? |
| 16:59.33 | babilen | dualcore: no |
| 16:59.59 | padhu | Eventhough the new IP too. |
| 17:00.05 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: 6th of April actually |
| 17:00.12 | Bushmills | padhu: your routing table doesn't seem to have an entry to the gateway |
| 17:00.34 | Bushmills | to the gateway, yes. but not to how to reach the gateway |
| 17:00.34 | babilen | !tell dualcore about gnome3 |
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| 17:01.05 | babilen | dualcore: In short: Not ready yet -- it'll probably take a while to hit backports if at all. |
| 17:01.05 | padhu | babilen: Exactly. I am not trying to play with Debians. |
| 17:01.23 | babilen | padhu: I don't follow |
| 17:02.08 | dualcore | thank you all |
| 17:02.11 | padhu | Bushmills: It shows old gateway. but more /etc/network/interfaces shows new one |
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| 17:02.35 | jhutchins_lt | padhu: Disable network-manager |
| 17:02.45 | Bushmills | does it also show on what interface to reach the gateway? or a net route which includes the gateway ip address? |
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| 17:03.05 | jhutchins_lt | padhu: Network-manager is for systems that need to change connections frequently, such as laptops moving from one network to another. |
| 17:03.14 | padhu | jhutchins_it: what is the command? |
| 17:03.17 | Bushmills | network-mismanager |
| 17:03.32 | jhutchins_lt | padhu: /etc/init.d/network-manager stop |
| 17:03.52 | padhu | Okey. Then what is the next step |
| 17:04.03 | jhutchins_lt | padhu: pastebin your interfaces file if you can. |
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| 17:04.33 | padhu | unfortunately, It is my Office PC. I am from Home, Ubuntu 10.04 |
| 17:05.00 | padhu | I will return when i am in office. |
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| 17:06.42 | shrimpwagon | Can someone please just take a quick look and see if this is a good tut for Linux (Debian) + RAID: http://www.jerryweb.org/settings/raid/ |
| 17:06.50 | netkevin | Hey, is there a place where NMUs are tracked? To find out which packages are NMUs, who requested them, etc? |
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| 17:09.55 | shrimpwagon | anyone? |
| 17:09.56 | mike3 | question guys. Does kwin use compiz? |
| 17:10.19 | jelly-home | mike3: it doesn't, it's a separate implementation of a compositing wm |
| 17:10.25 | dvs | shrimpwagon: It's a bit dated. It says that IDE is stil hda, hdb, etc. |
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| 17:10.53 | shrimpwagon | Yeah, I am trying to follow it |
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| 17:11.00 | shrimpwagon | but I am confused about the mount points |
| 17:11.05 | mike3 | jelly-home: oh, did not know that.. I thought it pulled from compiz. |
| 17:11.13 | shrimpwagon | The tut doesn't mention what do select |
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| 17:11.56 | jelly-home | mike3: judging by the set of available effects, some code definitely seems shared, but it does not use compiz itself |
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| 17:14.26 | explodes | Yo! Linux * 2.6.31-302-rs #7 SMP Thu Oct 29 22:57:03 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux Lenny debian here, |
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| 17:15.14 | explodes | I have php PHP 5.2.6-1+lenny10 and i want php PHP 5.3.x-1+lenny10, how do i use apt-get to upgrade that version number? |
| 17:15.28 | twobitsprite | ,versions php5 |
| 17:15.28 | judd | Package php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny10; squeeze: 5.3.3-7; wheezy: 5.3.3-7; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze1; sid: 5.3.6-7; sid: 5.3.6-10 |
| 17:15.39 | abrotman | most annoying join message ever? |
| 17:15.48 | mike3 | jelly-home: so metacity, kwin, and compiz are all sepearte |
| 17:15.48 | mike3 | ? |
| 17:15.49 | themill | explodes: packages have to exist before you can install them |
| 17:15.57 | abrotman | explodes: those are the versions in lenny |
| 17:16.17 | explodes | oh. can i do apt-get install php5=5.3 ? |
| 17:16.32 | shrimpwagon | best to upgrade distro first I think |
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| 17:16.44 | shrimpwagon | I don't think lenny offers 5.3 |
| 17:16.45 | dvs | shrimpwagon: This one looks better: http://theunknown.com.au/setting-up-raid-on-an-existing-debianubuntu-installation/ |
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| 17:17.02 | explodes | shrimpwagon: Sorry, i'm a noob, what does upgrade distro mean? |
| 17:17.10 | jelly-home | mike3: I don't know about metacity. |
| 17:17.16 | shrimpwagon | upgrade your debian distribution |
| 17:17.24 | shrimpwagon | Each version is codenamed |
| 17:17.27 | twobitsprite | explodes: it doesn't seem to be in lenny backports |
| 17:17.38 | shrimpwagon | ...Etch, Lenny, lenny backports, sqeeze.... |
| 17:17.45 | themill | dpkg: tell explodes about lenny->squeeze |
| 17:17.47 | explodes | Oh, gotcha. |
| 17:17.50 | shrimpwagon | yeah, you might need to upgrade to squeeze |
| 17:18.00 | shrimpwagon | personally, I just 'make install' my PHP |
| 17:18.16 | shrimpwagon | then you can get whatever version PHP you want |
| 17:18.19 | shrimpwagon | well...almost |
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| 17:18.36 | jelly-home | explodes: that's going to install newer versions of EVERY package if available and there's likely going to be some breakage; if you plan on upgrading the whole OS, schedule some downtime |
| 17:18.41 | explodes | shrimpwagon: I've already apt-get'd my php, if i make install php, will it overwrite the old installation in the correct place, and not ruin the apt-get entry for php? |
| 17:18.42 | shrimpwagon | dvs: thanks so much, I'm looking at it now |
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| 17:18.51 | dvs | np |
| 17:18.58 | shrimpwagon | jelly-home: right, right |
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| 17:19.07 | explodes | jelly-home: indeed |
| 17:19.11 | shrimpwagon | I did the same and it broke everything |
| 17:19.35 | shrimpwagon | if you are particular about your PHP vers, I would just make install |
| 17:19.36 | netkevin | One more time: Is there a place to find information about NMUs? Such as why a particular package was NMU'd? |
| 17:19.39 | explodes | to go from lenny to squeeze, all you have to do is change the sources right? |
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| 17:19.54 | shrimpwagon | yah |
| 17:19.59 | shrimpwagon | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:20.07 | shrimpwagon | change everything 'lenny' to 'squeeze' |
| 17:20.12 | jhutchins_lt | explodes: NO~! |
| 17:20.14 | shrimpwagon | then apt-get distro-upgrade |
| 17:20.15 | jelly-home | netkevin: changelogs usually say _something_ about the particular upload |
| 17:20.18 | twobitsprite | shrimpwagon: no |
| 17:20.20 | dvs | explodes: nope |
| 17:20.22 | shrimpwagon | that's what I did |
| 17:20.26 | explodes | shrimpwagon: What are the consequences of: apt-get install oldversionofphp5; wait 1year; wget newPhpVersion; ./configure; make; make install; |
| 17:20.30 | shrimpwagon | haha, but it screwed up everything |
| 17:20.31 | jhutchins_lt | explodes: NO - read the message sent to you by dpkg. |
| 17:20.53 | themill | shrimpwagon: please don't give advice about things when you don't know what you're doing. |
| 17:20.57 | explodes | Oh wow I didnt see the pm |
| 17:20.57 | jhutchins_lt | explodes: Lenny is always going to be 5.2, squeeze will always be 5.3 |
| 17:20.57 | woodgrainn | Error in Debian Documentation: (???) |
| 17:20.59 | dvs | shrimpwagon: of course it did. |
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| 17:21.02 | woodgrainn | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Build_manually.2C_with_a_stock_kernel |
| 17:21.03 | twobitsprite | shrimpwagon: if it broke for you, why would you advise a noob to do it the same way you did? |
| 17:21.03 | shrimpwagon | hey |
| 17:21.05 | woodgrainn | part $ |
| 17:21.08 | woodgrainn | part 4 |
| 17:21.13 | shrimpwagon | that's what someone else on here told me to do |
| 17:21.18 | jelly-home | woodgrainn: here, have a / |
| 17:21.21 | themill | shrimpwagon: no it isn't |
| 17:21.23 | dvs | shrimpwagon: they were wrong |
| 17:21.52 | woodgrainn | jelly-home, uh? |
| 17:22.05 | jelly-home | <woodgrainn> part $ <woodgrainn> part 4 |
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| 17:22.12 | jhutchins_lt | Yes, if you do a make install from source code it will overwrite and "ruin" the version installed by apt-get and prevent apt-get from maintaining it properly. |
| 17:22.15 | netkevin | jhutchins_lt: What message from dpkg was that? I'd like to read it also |
| 17:22.34 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: lenny->squeze |
| 17:22.34 | dpkg | jhutchins_lt: i don't know |
| 17:22.38 | woodgrainn | jelly-home, just trying to see if there is an error in the above html documentation |
| 17:22.41 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 17:22.41 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>. |
| 17:23.15 | jhutchins_lt | With particular attention to the last sentence. |
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| 17:23.44 | shrimpwagon | dpkg: that's pretty much what I did |
| 17:23.44 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, shrimpwagon |
| 17:23.52 | shrimpwagon | dpkg: I swear |
| 17:23.52 | dpkg | shrimpwagon: i don't know |
| 17:24.01 | twobitsprite | shrimpwagon: dpkg is a bot |
| 17:24.02 | jhutchins_lt | !botsnack |
| 17:24.02 | dpkg | aw, gee, jhutchins_lt |
| 17:24.07 | shrimpwagon | dpkg: I ain't arugin, just saying |
| 17:24.07 | dpkg | shrimpwagon: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 17:24.18 | dvs | dpkg: what are you |
| 17:24.19 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more info see <infobot>. |
| 17:24.19 | erAbuelo | ta lueg |
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| 17:24.37 | netkevin | What is the meaning of the apt-get install linux-image-... command above? |
| 17:24.53 | explodes | so if i want 5.2.17 and have 5.2.6, apt-get install php5=5.2.17 ? |
| 17:24.53 | greycat | It installs a kernel. |
| 17:24.54 | jhutchins_lt | netkevin: It attempts to install the latest kernel for your architecture. |
| 17:24.59 | Bartzy|work | What happens if I stop an aptitude safe-upgrade in the middle ? It started installing stuff. |
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| 17:25.03 | jelly-home | woodgrainn: heh. Never mind, then. The manual steps might be outdated, sure. Does nvidia-kernel-dkms not work for you |
| 17:25.09 | dvs | netkevin: for squeeze it is currently linux-image-2.6.32-5-386 |
| 17:25.09 | netkevin | Is it just linux-image-<arch>? |
| 17:25.26 | greycat | netkevin: for me, the $(uname -r | sed ...) bit ends up with "686" |
| 17:25.32 | hje841 | Hi. I want to mount a folder from a Windows Vista/7 host in a Debian virtualbox guest. Do I need to do it via ssh? I want to make the Windows folder a permanent addition to fstab |
| 17:25.39 | netkevin | OK, that makes sense. |
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| 17:25.50 | themill | netkevin: "686" is not <arch> in the debian sense, but that's how it is presented in the release notes, yes. |
| 17:25.51 | jhutchins_lt | explodes: No, that won't work. |
| 17:25.51 | explodes | uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,' >> rs |
| 17:25.56 | xreal | Anyone with an idea how to prevent the "line jumping" using pv? pv -traceN source < /tmp/osm-load-next.26060.osc | gzip -6 -c | pv -traceN target | ssh root@target "cat > /raid/26060.gz" |
| 17:25.59 | tensorpudding | hje841: Virtualbox supports folder sharing |
| 17:26.01 | explodes | jhutchins_lt: Oh, is there any alternative |
| 17:26.20 | themill | shrimpwagon: what you recommended is not what dpkg said and is not what is documented in the release notes. The procedure outlined there has been tested across a lot of different installations and is well behaved. Apart from the syntax errors in what you suggested, it's a fragile approach that is more likely to lead to unbootable systems. |
| 17:26.20 | tensorpudding | hje841: but it requires extensions |
| 17:26.28 | hje841 | tensorpudding: thanks. I will look in to it |
| 17:26.29 | tensorpudding | hje841: err, guest additions |
| 17:26.39 | jhutchins_lt | explodes: 5.2.17 does not appear to be available in debian. |
| 17:26.52 | explodes | How did you find out? |
| 17:26.59 | jhutchins_lt | explodes: is there a specific reason you want that particular version? |
| 17:27.11 | explodes | A web app requires > 5.2.8 |
| 17:27.23 | explodes | 5.2.17 is the latest of the 5.2 series |
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| 17:27.39 | explodes | And I have 5.2.6 |
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| 17:27.45 | jhutchins_lt | explodes: If it will work with 5.3, you can upgrade the system to squeeze. |
| 17:27.46 | themill | explodes: you may as well upgrade to squeeze then. Or cluebat the developers. |
| 17:28.01 | themill | (or, preferably, both) |
| 17:28.02 | explodes | jhutchins_lt: Weak, |
| 17:28.08 | jhutchins_lt | explodes: code that requires a specific version is not very well written. |
| 17:28.23 | explodes | Will ya'll hold my hand while I upgrade to squeeze? |
| 17:28.33 | jhutchins_lt | Only if you read the relase notes first. |
| 17:28.34 | jelly-home | explodes: or build php in a custom --prefix and use that one instead of the system one |
| 17:28.36 | explodes | Upgrade a remote machine to squeeze. |
| 17:28.41 | explodes | Ok, reading. |
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| 17:28.55 | explodes | dpkg: tell me about release notes |
| 17:28.55 | themill | jhutchins_lt: code that has to workaround all the variations in different php versions also tends to be poorly written (in the "unreadable" sense) |
| 17:28.58 | jhutchins_lt | explodes: Bad PHP code typically can not run on both 5.2 and 5.3 |
| 17:29.02 | dvs | explodes: and a remote upgrade is not recommended. |
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| 17:29.17 | explodes | dvs why not? |
| 17:29.24 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Yes, and in the "likely to throw up all over the web" sense as well. |
| 17:29.32 | dvs | explodes: it's in the release notes |
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| 17:29.37 | jelly-home | dvs: that's silly, all my machines are remote except the one I'm typing on right now |
| 17:29.40 | jhutchins_lt | dvs: ? |
| 17:30.48 | jelly-home | explodes: I guess dvs is refering to a number of gotchas in the 5.0 to 6.0 transition that may render your system unbootable |
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| 17:31.25 | themill | dvs: it's more exciting to reboot remote machines that are 17000km away and wonder if they'll come back up. But I've only ever done remote dist-upgrades in the last 5 or 6 years. Even on desktop machines I end up doing it remotely over ssh because it's slightly more convenient for me |
| 17:31.25 | dvs | jelly-home: yes, sorry |
| 17:31.30 | shrimpwagon | ok, I totally over exagerated when I said it screwed it up |
| 17:31.37 | shrimpwagon | I am just having trouble with PHP |
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| 17:31.49 | shrimpwagon | the upgrade worked |
| 17:31.55 | shrimpwagon | but something happened with PHP |
| 17:31.57 | explodes | jhutchins_lt: Do you want me to read ALL of the release notes? |
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| 17:32.02 | shrimpwagon | I probably just need to 'make install' again |
| 17:32.14 | shrimpwagon | dvs: that link is for existing Debian install |
| 17:32.23 | themill | shrimpwagon: "make install" is rarely the right thing to be doing, especially when the package already exists in debian. |
| 17:32.43 | shrimpwagon | I'm at the partitioning section now, I see the 4 sda/b/c/d drives |
| 17:32.52 | jhutchins_lt | explodes: At the very least scan through them and look for things that might apply to you. |
| 17:33.28 | jhutchins_lt | !tell explodes about squeeze release notes |
| 17:33.31 | Bartzy|work | What happens if I stop an aptitude safe-upgrade in the middle ? It started installing stuff. |
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| 17:33.42 | explodes | jhutchins_lt: I'm reading them |
| 17:34.05 | twobitsprite | Bartzy|work: try running "aptitude -f install" with no package names |
| 17:34.23 | Bartzy|work | twobitsprite: So it's safe to stop it now ? I have to close my computer and I forgot to use screen. |
| 17:34.37 | twobitsprite | Bartzy|work: ohh... it's still running? |
| 17:34.38 | Bartzy|work | twobitsprite: it's on a SSH session |
| 17:34.45 | Bartzy|work | twobitsprite: Yes. Can I Ctrl+c it ? |
| 17:35.02 | twobitsprite | Bartzy|work: it's not a good idea to stop apt in the middle of something |
| 17:35.11 | Bartzy|work | hmm.. OK :| |
| 17:35.16 | greycat | I'd ssh in and run screen *before* stopping it. |
| 17:35.29 | greycat | Just to make sure you don't stop it at a point where sshd is stopped.... |
| 17:35.47 | Bartzy|work | don't really care.. just don't want the system to die completely |
| 17:35.52 | paolosca | Hi, I'm about to send a message to control@bugs.debian.org to clone and reassign a bug and I have no experience with that. Can anyone have a look to confirm that I'm not going to make a mess? http://paste.debian.net/116100/ |
| 17:35.56 | Bartzy|work | I'll wait |
| 17:36.09 | twobitsprite | Bartzy|work: I think ctrl-Z then "bg" should work, but let me check something first |
| 17:36.20 | shrimpwagon | Sorry about the bad advice, I'll do better next time |
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| 17:36.23 | greycat | twobitsprite: that won't be sufficient to survive the terminal going away |
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| 17:36.33 | Bartzy|work | yep |
| 17:36.46 | greycat | twobitsprite: with "disown" it *might* but I have never tried disowning an active apt-get dist-upgrade, and wouldn't recommend it. |
| 17:36.48 | shrimpwagon | Do I need to configure LVM after configuring software RAID? |
| 17:36.49 | paolosca | What I'm trying to do is to clone a bug I opened for gnome-settings-manager and reassign the cloned one to the kernel maintainers. |
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| 17:36.59 | Bartzy|work | Well, you pay for stupidity ;) |
| 17:37.04 | greycat | If it asks anything, you're kinda screwed if you do that. |
| 17:37.06 | themill | greycat: yeah, you just know that you're going to get a debconf prompt if you do that |
| 17:37.11 | greycat | *nod* |
| 17:37.19 | jhutchins_lt | shrimpwagon: Better if you leave lvm out of it. |
| 17:37.34 | Bartzy|work | Can I tell what's the progress of an upgrade ? |
| 17:37.49 | twobitsprite | greycat: yeah, you're right |
| 17:37.54 | greycat | When it starts doing "Setting up libxyz..." "Setting up libfoobar..." really fast, it's almost done. |
| 17:37.58 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy|work: If you were familiar enough with the system you could see which package it's working on now. |
| 17:38.16 | Bartzy|work | "Preparing to replace man-db 2.5.2-5" |
| 17:38.18 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy|work: Debian is fairly good at recovering from such things. |
| 17:38.20 | shrimpwagon | "No root file system degined" ??? |
| 17:38.27 | shrimpwagon | *defined |
| 17:38.45 | Bartzy|work | I can't believe I'm gonna be late for something cause I don't want my home server to die |
| 17:38.47 | Bartzy|work | ;) |
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| 17:40.36 | twobitsprite | well.. isn't there a way to "reown" a job? say from a screen session? |
| 17:40.43 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy|work: Prioritize. |
| 17:40.57 | jhutchins_lt | twobitsprite: Not unless you did something before you ran the job, like run it in screen, |
| 17:41.00 | superstraw | would Bartzy|work be able to ctrl-Z then bg it? |
| 17:41.08 | greycat | superstraw: no. |
| 17:41.26 | superstraw | darn |
| 17:41.31 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_lt: hmm... I thought there was some way to attach to the stdin/stdout of a process... but maybe not |
| 17:41.32 | greycat | but he could ssh in again, run screen in the new session, then ctrl-C the first one, then redo it in the second one, then detach. |
| 17:41.34 | Bartzy|work | screen should be built in to the SSH login |
| 17:41.36 | jhutchins_lt | superstraw: Ctrl-Z does background it, but when the ssh session is closed the process will die. |
| 17:42.10 | wildc4rd | evenin all! |
| 17:42.10 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy|work: I tried that once. Bad idea. |
| 17:42.26 | Bartzy|work | jhutchins_lt: Why ? |
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| 17:42.39 | bgy | hi |
| 17:42.43 | ileavasile | hi all |
| 17:42.49 | twobitsprite | !hello |
| 17:42.49 | dpkg | Hi, twobitsprite! |
| 17:42.50 | jhutchins_lt | There is also the nohup command which will allow a process to continue when the session closes, but you have to run the process within nohup from the beginning. |
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| 17:43.15 | greycat | You can't realistically do "nohup apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 17:43.16 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_lt: yeah, but then you still have the problem of if debconf prompts for something |
| 17:43.24 | bgy | I'm trying to set up sudo on a debian squeeze,and I'd to install it from aptitude, well, on my ubuntu box, I've an admin group added to the sudoers, is there such groups on debian squeeze? |
| 17:43.24 | greycat | because of what twobitsprite said |
| 17:43.24 | Bartzy|work | jhutchins_lt: And you can't come back later for all the debconf screens |
| 17:43.27 | ileavasile | i instaled radiotray but when i want to play a local chanel i get the masage that a gstream plugin is mising please help |
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| 17:43.42 | ompaul | greycat: you could do apt-get -d dist-upgrade |
| 17:43.48 | jhutchins_lt | twobitsprite: Right, that wouldn't work with nohup. |
| 17:43.58 | jhutchins_lt | twobitsprite: It would work with screen detatched, it would just wait. |
| 17:44.01 | shrimpwagon | ooooo |
| 17:44.04 | ompaul | wanders off again random screens |
| 17:44.15 | shrimpwagon | dpkg:, dvs: -> ompaul |
| 17:44.16 | dpkg | shrimpwagon: no idea |
| 17:44.18 | twobitsprite | bgy: well... there's an adm group which I use sometimes for that kind of stuff |
| 17:44.25 | Bartzy|work | well, ctrl+c , screen , then dpkg --configure -a worked |
| 17:44.34 | Bartzy|work | dpkg rocks |
| 17:44.35 | dpkg | Yer damned right... |
| 17:44.35 | jhutchins_lt | !tell bgy about sudo |
| 17:44.36 | Bartzy|work | thanks guys |
| 17:44.41 | Bartzy|work | lol |
| 17:44.50 | jhutchins_lt | bgy: Note that the sudo system differs in how it's set up between the two distros. |
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| 17:44.59 | Bartzy|work | bye guys :) |
| 17:45.01 | bgy | twobitsprite: I see that group, I wasn't sure |
| 17:45.07 | shrimpwagon | ompaul: careful, I just gave the same advice and got spanked |
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| 17:45.31 | StefandeVries | shrimpwagon: don't pretend to not have liked it.. |
| 17:45.37 | jhutchins_lt | !tell bgy about sudo |
| 17:45.38 | shrimpwagon | haha :D |
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| 17:45.44 | bgy | jhutchins_lt: yep Iguess, but I'm just trying to make sudo works for my user to avoid to login with root account |
| 17:46.08 | explodes | jhutchins_lt: So, my remote server doesnt allow me to upgrade the kernel anyway (rackspace) so i'm just going to change my sources to squeeze |
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| 17:46.21 | twobitsprite | bgy: yeah, just add the users to the adm group, and give the adm group the correct privs in the /etc/sudoers file |
| 17:46.32 | bgy | twobitsprite: yep, thank you |
| 17:46.33 | jhutchins_lt | explodes: Oh, that's not a good idea. |
| 17:46.42 | twobitsprite | bgy: or there's the wheel group, which is already setup in sudoers but commented out |
| 17:46.43 | jhutchins_lt | explodes: Contact rackspace support, they can be pretty good. |
| 17:46.43 | explodes | jhutchins_lt: For why? |
| 17:47.18 | jhutchins_lt | squeeze is (rather obviously) meant to be run with a squeeze kernel. It will not be happy with the default lenny kernel, all kinds of things like udev change. |
| 17:47.42 | jhutchins_lt | explodes: Because rackspace uses special kernels, it's best to talk to them before upgrading. |
| 17:47.46 | tin_kidneys | Hey, folks. ssh-add... how do i get it to load my private key's passphrase everytime i boot my computer? I've been told to place a line in .xsession and .xinitrc in my home folder but i don't have either of those files. I manually start x by typing startx at start up (i boot to prompt). |
| 17:47.48 | stew | explodes: udev in squeeze will not work with a lenny kernel |
| 17:47.49 | greycat | But making your computer unhappy is your job! |
| 17:47.52 | jelly-home | he does not use the default lenny kernel, jhutchins_lt |
| 17:48.09 | jelly-home | <explodes> Yo! Linux * 2.6.31-302-rs #7 SMP Thu Oct 29 22:57:03 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux Lenny debian here, |
| 17:48.27 | jhutchins_lt | True. |
| 17:48.33 | jhutchins_lt | -rs |
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| 17:48.40 | jelly-home | reading the backlog is for wimps, eh |
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| 17:48.42 | shrimpwagon | Ok, so, dump epiphany...Linux kernell is going to handle the RAID instead of the built-in mobo RAID controller |
| 17:48.45 | jhutchins_lt | No telling what they've got in it. |
| 17:48.47 | bgy | twobitsprite: well, in fact there is sudo group in my squeeze installtion :) thank you |
| 17:48.48 | stew | tin_kidneys: you would start ssh-agent in .xinitrc or .xsession, then you would run ssh-add in a shell which would prompt for your password sometime after X started, which would add the key to the ssh-agent |
| 17:48.53 | shrimpwagon | that was a question |
| 17:48.57 | explodes | Oh rs means rackspace, huh |
| 17:49.02 | jelly-home | shrimpwagon: "yes" |
| 17:49.06 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Remembering what was said ten minutes ago is for kids! |
| 17:49.10 | greycat | tin_kidneys: add this line somewhere in your .xsession file *before* you exec your WM: eval `ssh-agent -s` |
| 17:49.13 | shrimpwagon | haha, right |
| 17:49.19 | twobitsprite | bgy: ohh, you're right, there is... :P |
| 17:49.53 | tin_kidneys | So the .xsession file has to be created and not a .xinitrc file? |
| 17:49.57 | jelly-home | explodes: but yeah, you can go ask them if squeeze is going to work with that kernel |
| 17:50.02 | greycat | tin_kidneys: if you are using .xinitrc already, then edit that one instead. |
| 17:50.18 | jhutchins_lt | rackspace should have squeeze available by now. |
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| 17:50.35 | tin_kidneys | I don't have either a .xsession or xinitrc file in my home folder currently. |
| 17:50.51 | greycat | you just let your *computer* decide what to run for your X session?? |
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| 17:50.56 | shrimpwagon | is 100 GB swap a waste? |
| 17:51.01 | greycat | shrimpwagon: most likely. |
| 17:51.07 | shrimpwagon | I only have 4 GB in RAM |
| 17:51.08 | shrimpwagon | ok |
| 17:51.13 | shrimpwagon | so like maybe 20 GB tops? |
| 17:51.25 | tin_kidneys | greycat: yes. |
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| 17:51.37 | greycat | shrimpwagon: It completely depends on your computer and what you're doing with it, but the general rule of thumb is "1 or 2 times physical RAM" |
| 17:51.41 | jelly-home | shrimpwagon: anything more than 4GiB is a waste of metal disk platter |
| 17:51.43 | twobitsprite | !tell shrimpwagon about swap |
| 17:51.51 | shrimpwagon | file server |
| 17:51.56 | greycat | tin_kidneys: horrifying. |
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| 17:52.27 | tin_kidneys | greycat: I actually appreciate you responding. Why is that horrifying? |
| 17:52.29 | jhutchins_lt | shrimpwagon: 2X RAM to 2GB, Tapering to = RAM at 4G. |
| 17:52.34 | jelly-home | shrimpwagon: the thing is, even if your system manages to swap out that much and starts coming back, it's going to be MUCH faster to just hard-reset it than to wait for the useful stuff to swap back in |
| 17:52.45 | greycat | what does Debian's startx do in the absence of a .xinitrc or .xsession file anyway? Run some command that links to /etc/alternatives/x-something ? |
| 17:52.46 | tin_kidneys | *as in... why is not having a dm horrifying |
| 17:52.49 | shrimpwagon | gotcha, ty |
| 17:52.52 | jhutchins_lt | shrimpwagon: Anything > 2X is a waste. If you need that much swap it's going to kill the system. |
| 17:53.05 | shrimpwagon | haha, ok, 10-4 |
| 17:53.20 | greycat | tin_kidneys: most people customize their X session startup, at least to the point of choosing which WM they want. |
| 17:53.25 | jhutchins_lt | tin_kidneys: Everybody used to do it that way. |
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| 17:53.28 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: if the swap was on a low latency device, like a SSD, a larger swap might just be usable |
| 17:53.44 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Yes, but certainly not 5X. |
| 17:53.52 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: have you tried? |
| 17:54.12 | shrimpwagon | should I reserve 512 MB for /boot ? |
| 17:54.21 | jhutchins_lt | Well, not on current hardware, but in my initial linux dabbling (and my first os2 install) yes. |
| 17:54.23 | stew | greycat: i would assume it runs /usr/bin/x-window-manager (which is mantained via alternatives) |
| 17:54.29 | tin_kidneys | Thanks guys. The issue i'm most concerned about is allowing gnome-keyring handle anything, and the calls the program make are not sound, in terms of security. |
| 17:54.43 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Besides, "low latency" compares to disk latency, not to RAM latency, it's still pretty latent. |
| 17:54.47 | greycat | stew: yeah, I was thinking of something like that. Or maybe x-desktop-environment if there is one, or who knows. |
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| 17:55.02 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Does anyone know a software/utility to test LAN cable's length, plugged into ethX? |
| 17:55.14 | greycat | *blink* |
| 17:55.22 | jhutchins_lt | hid3: Only seen that on dedicated devices. |
| 17:55.23 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: 10us to get a page in is much more reasonable than 5-7ms |
| 17:56.06 | mick_laptop | anyone have a wetab? I'd like to get one |
| 17:56.07 | stew | hid3: perhaps a software onscreen ruler you could hold the cable up to, in which case it would be be easier if it was unplugged |
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| 17:56.35 | greycat | that would be tricky to implement. you'd have to know the exact dimensions of a pixel. |
| 17:56.47 | mick_laptop | i thought thought that they might have an irc channel |
| 17:56.49 | stew | i do, its 1px x 1px |
| 17:57.07 | hid3 | doh. No non-dedicated, linux utility to test it? |
| 17:57.24 | simonlnu | mick_laptop: put some water on your abdomen, you'll get a wet ab |
| 17:57.43 | jhutchins_lt | hid3: I don't think a standard network interface has the capability. It's not a software thing. |
| 17:57.48 | shrimpwagon | does /boot or anything need its own partition? |
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| 17:58.01 | greycat | shrimpwagon: not if the boot loader can read / |
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| 17:58.29 | greycat | the boot loader has to be able to find and start your kernel, so whatever you have to do to make that occur |
| 17:58.30 | shrimpwagon | when would it not be able to? |
| 17:58.34 | hid3 | jhutchins_lt: I saw a really cheap network switch which had that capability. I can't imagine my $100 Intel card is worse than that piece of *** |
| 17:58.50 | greycat | e.g. if you have your root file system on a super l33t 0-day version of ext57 that GRUB can't read |
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| 17:59.29 | shrimpwagon | Well...I'm doing RAID 5 with 4 2TB SATAs |
| 17:59.34 | jhutchins_lt | hid3: Actually I've never seen cable length, but I've seen distance-to-fault on a $3,000 analyser. |
| 17:59.35 | jelly-home | shrimpwagon: when you put / on a an unusual device that your boot loader can't cope with. block device indirections like LVM, MD raid, and similar apply |
| 17:59.36 | shrimpwagon | I think I got it setup |
| 17:59.37 | greycat | can GRUB read that? |
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| 17:59.54 | jelly-home | grub 1 can't |
| 18:00.03 | jhutchins_lt | hid3: It's not a question of better or worse, it's a question of built-in or not. |
| 18:00.17 | shrimpwagon | ok, so far, I have all drives as RAID 5 and that RAID is all on / |
| 18:00.24 | shrimpwagon | minus a few gigs for swap |
| 18:00.30 | shrimpwagon | is this dumb? |
| 18:00.37 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Wasn't it you who had a problem with a 2TB array? |
| 18:00.41 | greycat | yes |
| 18:00.48 | greycat | but it was hardware RAID, not md |
| 18:00.48 | hid3 | Sad then. But probably true :( |
| 18:01.16 | jhutchins_lt | hid3: It would so seldom be useful that I can't see it being done. |
| 18:01.37 | jelly-home | shrimpwagon: let's say a safe, conservative bet would be to use md raid1, metadata format 0.9 for a small /boot partition, mirrored on each disk or just two of them, and a second partition to set up raid5 |
| 18:01.59 | shrimpwagon | AHHH |
| 18:02.04 | shrimpwagon | I think I know what you are getting at |
| 18:02.20 | greycat | You probably don't want swap on RAID 5 either, although you may already have noted that. |
| 18:02.46 | shrimpwagon | greycat: why is that? |
| 18:02.50 | jelly-home | that /boot would be readable by lilo and grub2; grub1 doesn't really support md raid properly |
| 18:03.10 | greycat | read and write performance of RAID 5 is not great, and you want swap to be fast, not necessarily redundantly backed up |
| 18:03.36 | shrimpwagon | AHHH |
| 18:03.39 | shrimpwagon | gotcha |
| 18:03.44 | jelly-home | if it's not redundant and it fails the machine's going to panic |
| 18:03.46 | shrimpwagon | soooo |
| 18:03.58 | greycat | you could use a couple RAID1 swaps if you care about that |
| 18:04.02 | jelly-home | right |
| 18:04.11 | jelly-home | raid10 for swap! <g> |
| 18:04.20 | tin_kidneys | Hey again, folks... i don't have .xinitrc in my home folder, and making that file now. How would i check to see what already being started by gnome-session on start-up? Anyone know? |
| 18:04.20 | shrimpwagon | raid 10? |
| 18:04.54 | greycat | striped mirror, IIRC |
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| 18:05.58 | dkr | greycat: raid5 reading is not slow, it's almost as fast as raid0 since you can read from more than one disk at once. your point stands with the write performance, though :) |
| 18:06.07 | shrimpwagon | so do like 1.999 TB on each of the four drives for RAID 5, do a 1 GB on two of the drives for RAID 1 for /boot, do 2GB on two drives for RAID 10 for swap? |
| 18:06.16 | shrimpwagon | or do I need three drives for RAID 10? |
| 18:06.34 | jelly-home | four |
| 18:06.38 | dkr | 3 for raid5, 4 for raid10 |
| 18:07.05 | jelly-home | shrimpwagon: you don't need more than say 200MB for /boot |
| 18:07.22 | shrimpwagon | oh, RAID10 is RAID 1 + 0 |
| 18:07.37 | shrimpwagon | can /boot just be on one drive? |
| 18:07.48 | shrimpwagon | ...one drive on one partition? |
| 18:08.20 | abrotman | dkr: it is "slower" in that it does a checksum when reading .. for some percentage of slower .. |
| 18:08.51 | greycat | abrotman: it has to write to all 5 disks, so if one of them's a bit slow, the whole thing has to wait |
| 18:08.57 | jelly-home | shrimpwagon: sure, if you don't mind an unbootable machine when that drive fails |
| 18:09.07 | greycat | err, all 3 or however many |
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| 18:09.53 | shrimpwagon | oh, I think I got it..... |
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| 18:10.52 | stew | i'll make a RAID 5 out of 3 partitions on the same disk, then it will always be going as fast as the fastest disk |
| 18:11.37 | shrimpwagon | 4 x 2 TB drives, RAID 5 on 4 x 1.999 TB for /, RAID 1 2 x 1 GB for /boot, RAID 0 2 x 1 GB for swap |
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| 18:12.20 | shrimpwagon | I realize I don't need 2 GB for /boot but just for sake of ease of setup |
| 18:12.48 | greycat | it's fine. |
| 18:13.03 | jelly-home | don't use raid0 for swap though |
| 18:13.03 | greycat | also, it's 1 GB usable. |
| 18:13.13 | shrimpwagon | AH...right |
| 18:13.17 | jelly-home | 1+0 sure, but 0 is silly |
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| 18:13.31 | shrimpwagon | I thought RAID 0 is stripe = fast ??? |
| 18:13.36 | dkr | abrotman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels#RAID_5_performance says the reads are slightly slower than raid0 due to skipping over the parity blocks. the parity bit only has to be calculated for writes |
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| 18:13.50 | jelly-home | shrimpwagon: it's also any member dies = game over |
| 18:13.58 | shrimpwagon | for swap? |
| 18:14.18 | jelly-home | shrimpwagon: or any data on the array |
| 18:14.52 | gob_bluth | how do yo uput multiple commands on one string within a variable ? |
| 18:15.03 | gob_bluth | test="mkdir 1 ; mkdir 2 ;" doesn't work |
| 18:15.05 | greycat | gob_bluth: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/050 |
| 18:15.08 | gob_bluth | run from a shell script |
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| 18:15.23 | greycat | t() { mkdir 1; mkdir 2; } |
| 18:15.37 | greycat | (don't create a function named 'test'...) |
| 18:15.42 | dkr | I stored my multimedia collection on raid0. on the plus side, losing it all saved me the trouble of having to prune it since I had filled the space. :) |
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| 18:16.09 | gob_bluth | will it show up in the process list as a single process ? |
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| 18:17.02 | greycat | That process would most likely be labelled "bash" or "sh". |
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| 18:18.56 | jelly-home | dkr: I also have it on raid0 but I rsync it to raid1 |
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| 18:22.41 | karlpinc | gob_bluth: ps ax --forest can help |
| 18:22.54 | mustard | anyone know when iceweasel 4 might make it into unstable? tried it from experimental a few weeks ago, didn't work. Surely now FF4 is released, it might appear soon? |
| 18:23.24 | greycat | I should also point out that if you just run a function *without* putting the function call into some sort of subshell context (such as a pipeline or a command substitution), it will not be a separate process. |
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| 18:23.40 | dvs | mustard: mozilla.debian.net |
| 18:24.08 | greycat | That may or may not be important... it's hard to guess what he's looking for. |
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| 18:25.16 | mustard | dvs: thanks - it's what I tried before, was just hoping that once it made it into unstable it might be more (wait for it...) stable |
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| 18:25.47 | sKeiths | i have debian on second partition , and a corrctly booting XP installed. how can i dual booting so i can access debain again. i have live cd at the options screen |
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| 18:25.57 | dvs | mustard: I haven't had any problems with the stable version yet. |
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| 18:26.30 | greycat | I haven't used .debs of firefox or iceweasel, but upstream FF 4.0.1 + greasemonkey + Kingdom of Loathing leaks memory like Niagara Falls. |
| 18:26.38 | babilen | sKeiths: Make sure you have os-prober installed (on debian) and -- /msg dpkg fixmbr |
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| 18:27.48 | greycat | (FF 3 + gm + kol also leaked, but nowhere near that bad) |
| 18:28.21 | dynamite | Hey, i've got a server with apache an mpm worker running. one client launched a new website without notice which is giving me a hard time. is there any way i can boost apache/php performance by tweaking mpm worker settings in apache.conf? |
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| 18:31.48 | mustard | dvs - by stable version, do you mean installing binaries straight from ff.com, or the .deb from experimental? |
| 18:31.50 | scampbell | Trying to configure debian-installer for a raided autoinstall. I think i want to simply bypass partman in the preseed but I'm not sure what all I need to fill in so the installer can proceed. Is there any docs on partman or can someone offer any hints? |
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| 18:32.25 | dvs | mustard: from mozilla.debian.net. You want Firefox itself? |
| 18:33.07 | mustard | dvs: not really, was trying to stay within the debian world with iceweasel |
| 18:33.22 | jhutchins_lt | mustard: Mozilla is well known for releasing badly unstable code. |
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| 18:34.05 | Bert_2 | Hi, I want to run a filesystemcheck in interactive mode while also logging it to a file but tee can't be used as it won't do interactive then, anyone here have an idea how to get that done ? |
| 18:34.18 | greycat | Bert_2: script |
| 18:34.27 | Bert_2 | greycat: what script ? |
| 18:34.33 | jhutchins_lt | mustard: Their installers are notorious for throwing files all over the place and not handling updates or upgrades well. |
| 18:34.39 | greycat | Bert_2: the command whose name is 'script' |
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| 18:34.57 | Bert_2 | greycat: lol, I didn't know there was such a command |
| 18:35.00 | sKeiths | (mount -t ext2 /dev/sda1 /mnt/disk tells me i got wrong fs type, is there a chance its using a different file system |
| 18:35.48 | mustard | jhutchins_lt: does iceweasel do any better, or is it the same story, being basically a clone? |
| 18:36.13 | greycat | firefox has an installer? |
| 18:36.28 | simonlnu | i find the same version of iceweasel is marginally faster than firefox |
| 18:36.32 | jhutchins_lt | mustard: It's the same, but usually has been refined and patched. That's why it's older. |
| 18:36.47 | jhutchins_lt | simonlnu: The code is the same. |
| 18:36.48 | greycat | I thought "rm -rf firefox; tar xjf /some/place/firefoxTAB" was it... |
| 18:36.59 | jhutchins_lt | simonlnu: It's just compiled with the name iceweasel in a few places. |
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| 18:37.28 | simonlnu | hm. must be my memory then. |
| 18:37.29 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: They have in the past had scripts that scattered the files around the tree. |
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| 18:37.44 | simonlnu | oh yes. ok. |
| 18:38.07 | greycat | one major difference would be that iceweasel is compiled for amd64, yes? |
| 18:38.21 | simonlnu | n/a here |
| 18:38.43 | dynamite | Hey, i've got a server with apache an mpm worker running. one client launched a new website without notice which is giving me a hard time. is there any way i can boost apache/php performance by tweaking mpm worker settings in apache.conf? |
| 18:38.58 | greycat | if nobody's answering here, try #httpd |
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| 18:39.30 | rypervenche | Do "about:iceweasel" or "about:mozilla" in the address bar :P |
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| 18:39.50 | rypervenche | Easter egg |
| 18:40.18 | greycat | I've got upstream firefox, so there's no about:iceweasel for me. |
| 18:40.51 | rypervenche | It's the same thing, but with the words "Ice" instead of "Fire" in it. |
| 18:41.05 | eft | Can someone tell how I can capture the console output from "env DEBUG=yes apt-get install foo" |
| 18:41.21 | simonlnu | use tee ? |
| 18:41.26 | greycat | eft: script |
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| 18:44.10 | eft | greycat: tx - debian noob here |
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| 18:45.59 | eft | greycat: I don't suppose you have an example? |
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| 18:46.20 | jhutchins_lt | eft: What problem are you experiencing? |
| 18:46.22 | greycat | Normally you type the word 'script' and press Enter, then you run your apt-get whatever, then you press Ctrl-D. |
| 18:46.52 | shrimpwagon | About how long should it take a decent Dual Core 4 GBs computer running Linux to partition format 4 2TBs SATAs at RAID 5 ??? |
| 18:46.53 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: he was probably tryhing to combine them into a single command. |
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| 18:47.12 | greycat | shrimpwagon: the bottleneck is the disk I/O speed, not the CPU |
| 18:47.17 | eft | greycat: oh, I see - thought you were suggesing I write a script that redirects the output to a file |
| 18:47.25 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 18:47.39 | greycat | eft: did you not see when bert asked the exact same thing 7 minutes before you did? |
| 18:47.46 | eft | I did say I was a noob |
| 18:47.49 | shrimpwagon | The HD led is solid red |
| 18:48.08 | shrimpwagon | and the percent status hasn't changed in a while |
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| 18:48.15 | shrimpwagon | Seems to be stuck at 33% |
| 18:48.33 | shrimpwagon | Should it take like longer than 20 mins? |
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| 18:49.02 | eft | greycat: no I didn't see Bert's question but have now scrolled up and read the conversation |
| 18:49.16 | dvs | shrimpwagon: It took about 8 hrs to sync one of my RAID 1 drives. |
| 18:49.18 | greycat | Maybe that 33% is saying "I'm on step 1 of 3, and that step is zero out all the disks". |
| 18:49.32 | shrimpwagon | haha, oh man |
| 18:49.35 | shrimpwagon | geez |
| 18:49.42 | shrimpwagon | so this thing could take like until tomorrow |
| 18:49.45 | shrimpwagon | wow, ok, ty |
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| 18:49.51 | dvs | then again, it was a 2TB green drive. |
| 18:50.07 | shrimpwagon | I have 4 @ 2TBs WD black |
| 18:50.16 | greycat | what does green mean in this context? it's made of recycled hemp? |
| 18:50.23 | dvs | heh |
| 18:50.24 | shrimpwagon | haha |
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| 18:50.49 | dvs | greycat: it's prefers power reduced comsumption to flat out performance. |
| 18:51.08 | shrimpwagon | green = liberal, black = hardcore |
| 18:51.16 | nkuttler | dvs: marketing speak |
| 18:51.38 | dvs | nkuttler: probably. It's probably the firmware thats different. |
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| 18:55.39 | qxt | Where is the right place to place my cloned gits? |
| 18:56.39 | salahuddin66 | qxt: most probably /user/src |
| 18:56.45 | greycat | I use /usr/local/src but I don't claim it's "right" |
| 18:57.21 | qxt | The FilesystemHierarchyStandard is a little fuzzy on this. But that does not sound all that off salahuddin66 |
| 18:57.55 | dawud_ | I use /srv/git, because I like /srv to hold published stuff, e.g www, ... |
| 18:58.27 | greycat | I think it boils down to "wherever you want". |
| 18:58.30 | frostschutz | I use my home dir :) *runs away* |
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| 18:59.38 | qxt | dawud funny I was thinking the same. I mean there has to be a correct place. Debian is as linux as linux gets. Same with Git |
| 19:00.15 | dawud | for those interested in the matter, FHS is going to be revised and 3.0 should be published about 1st of June |
| 19:00.15 | greycat | ... or not. |
| 19:00.24 | salahuddin66 | qxt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
| 19:01.26 | dawud | greycat: ? |
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| 19:01.46 | qxt | salahudding66 yeah I was reading that before I came into #debian. Hench I use the wording "The FilesystemHierarchyStandard is a little fuzzy on this" |
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| 19:03.12 | qxt | dawud That I can't wait to see. You know if there is any pre details out yet? |
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| 19:04.53 | qxt | graycat are you some same person I (Onryo) have been talking to on #bash? |
| 19:05.14 | jelly-home | the grey- one probably is |
| 19:05.28 | qxt | =P |
| 19:05.51 | dawud | qxt: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/distributions/2011-May/000579.html |
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| 19:06.17 | dawud | qxt: taht message has links to some extra info on the subject |
| 19:06.22 | dawud | that* |
| 19:06.24 | qxt | dawud thx for that info!! |
| 19:06.34 | dawud | qxt most welcome |
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| 19:07.45 | qxt | The Matrix calls. Wife is going to force me to make dinner. brb |
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| 19:11.04 | shrimpwagon | Make her a meatloaf |
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| 19:11.48 | shrimpwagon | 2.6 vs. 2.6.35-5 ??? |
| 19:11.53 | shrimpwagon | 486 vs 686 ??? |
| 19:12.11 | shrimpwagon | I'm installing Linux, what are these diffs? |
| 19:12.36 | eyeris | I am mounting a samba share to a lenny server. If I mount it on one lenny server, it works as expected. However, if I mount it on another lenny server I get different behaviour. On the second server, permissions changes are not reflected until I umount and remount the share. Is there a sysctl or some mount.cifs setting I am forgetting to set? |
| 19:12.41 | ectospasm | shrimpwagon: 2.6 vs 2.6.35-5, 2.6 is a pointer to the other, currently |
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| 19:13.01 | shrimpwagon | pointer? |
| 19:13.28 | ectospasm | shrimpwagon: i686 is the base Intel 32bit arch. I haven't seen a 486-specific kernel in a long time, better go with i686 |
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| 19:13.42 | ectospasm | shrimpwagon: pointer, as in 2.6 actually points to the current kernel |
| 19:14.10 | greycat | there are still -486 kernels for people who need them |
| 19:14.22 | greycat | linux-image-2.6.32-5-486 - Linux 2.6.32 for old PCs |
| 19:14.33 | ectospasm | makes sense |
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| 19:15.06 | shrimpwagon | alrighty, so should I do 2.6-686 or 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 19:15.08 | bmoloney | hello, I noticed my KVM virtual machine is unstable when using the 'vmvga' video device. I am wondering which package I should file the bug against? |
| 19:15.16 | jhutchins_lt | eyeris: unix_extensions? |
| 19:15.27 | InfectedSoul | Hello i was wondering if the WL ADAPTER ASUS|USB-N13 R works with deiban |
| 19:15.29 | InfectedSoul | debian* |
| 19:15.59 | salahuddin66 | shrimpwagon: 2.6.-686 is linked (virtual package) to currently latest 2.6.32.5.-686 |
| 19:16.09 | eyeris | jhutchins_lt: I'm actually not sure. The share is exported by a NAS appliance. I just happen to know that it runs samba. Is there a way to check from the client side? |
| 19:16.26 | greycat | I don't think 2.6.32-5-686 means quite the same thing as 2.6.32.5 |
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| 19:16.45 | greycat | otherwise, you're right |
| 19:16.49 | jhutchins_lt | eyeris: Not sure. |
| 19:18.56 | foetus | /etc/mke2fs.conf is still unusable to me. there is no way to copy data to an usbstick in a normal way. using 'large_file' and 'resize_inode' with an half_md4 hash is no standard to me, but maybe 'm wrong with it. |
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| 19:19.37 | jelly-home | foetus: what is the "normal way"? |
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| 19:20.29 | eyeris | It looks like adding the noperm and sfu mount options causes the behaviour I would expect |
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| 19:21.15 | jhutchins_lt | foetus: Why is it unusable, and what does the format utility hve to do with copying files? |
| 19:21.34 | shrimpwagon | Sorry, I still don't understand. What is the advantage-one over the other. |
| 19:22.18 | InfectedSoul | Hello i was wondering if the WL ADAPTER ASUS|USB-N13 R works with debian |
| 19:22.29 | ectospasm | shrimpwagon: if you install 2.6-686, you get 2.6.32-5 |
| 19:22.39 | ectospasm | shrimpwagon: there is no difference |
| 19:22.52 | ectospasm | ...since 2.6-686 is a virtual package |
| 19:22.56 | shrimpwagon | oh, why do you think they list the images seperatly then for install |
| 19:22.57 | stew | shrimpwagon: 2.6.32-5-686 means "i want 2.6.32-5-686". 2.6-686 means "i want the latest 2.6 (which is currently 2.6.32-5)" |
| 19:23.01 | salahuddin66 | shrimpwagon: if you install 2.6-686, then later if you upgrade it may update the latest kernel. Otherwise you will always use 2.6.32-5 kernel unless you update it manually |
| 19:23.15 | shrimpwagon | OOOHHHH |
| 19:23.19 | shrimpwagon | got it, ty so much |
| 19:23.23 | jelly-home | ectospasm: technically, it's not virtual but a metapackage |
| 19:23.42 | eyeris | doh, just lucky for a few mounts... |
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| 19:24.07 | ectospasm | jelly-home: aptitude marks it as virtual (with a 'v') |
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| 19:24.26 | foetus | i mean default settings in /etc/mke2fs.conf. i made some changes to it, but have a look : http://paste.debian.net/116109 |
| 19:25.03 | stew | ectospasm: its certainly not a virtual package, its a real package, which contains real files (you can, for instance, see its copyright in /usr/share/doc/linux-image-2.6-686/copyright) |
| 19:25.14 | jhutchins_lt | foetus: I still don't understand what the problem is or what it has to do with copying files. |
| 19:25.15 | greycat | why does mke2fs even HAVE a config file? |
| 19:25.30 | jelly-home | ectospasm: hm. www-browser is a virtual package; iceweasel is not |
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| 19:25.58 | salahuddin66 | greycat: because you may need to set default blocksize, etc. :) |
| 19:25.59 | jelly-home | greycat: to facilitate setting of default options for certain classes of devices/filesystems |
| 19:26.03 | greycat | "I'm going to be formatting hundreds of disks..." |
| 19:26.10 | greycat | who does that? |
| 19:26.38 | shrimpwagon | somone still using 3 1/2s |
| 19:26.58 | foetus | than i cannot help you, guys..:-( |
| 19:27.10 | jelly-home | greycat: do you really want to -J 128M -O dir_index,sparse_super,resize_inode every time you mkfs.ext3 |
| 19:27.20 | ectospasm | jelly-home: like I said, aptitude marks linux-image-2.6 as not a real package. ¯\oO/¯ |
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| 19:27.25 | salahuddin66 | shirmpwagon: I use the latest version |
| 19:27.37 | jelly-home | ectospasm: yeah. but linux-image-2.6-686 is ;-) |
| 19:27.51 | greycat | jelly-home: if I actually cared enough to look up what those flags mean, I very well might, because then I'd want different flags for every FS |
| 19:28.07 | ectospasm | jelly-home: d'oh, I forgot I'm in Ubuntu (-; |
| 19:28.09 | greycat | The datbase FS might need fewer inodes, etc. |
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| 19:29.14 | anisfarhana | Hello. |
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| 19:29.42 | anisfarhana | When doing the cp -R , i got T+ here , what does that mean? |
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| 19:31.12 | salahuddin66 | anisfarhana: man cp |
| 19:31.21 | ssfdre38 | hey do you guys have just an image of the world that is on the botom of the Grub image? |
| 19:31.32 | foetus | imaging software like trueimage does not read half_md4, usbsticks cannot handle resize_inode and large_file attributes. so this is no standard, imho. |
| 19:32.33 | streuner | HOW do you install hplip in sid today? |
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| 19:32.52 | shrimpwagon | volatile updates? Use / Not Use ??? |
| 19:33.12 | greycat | foetus: So, um, if you don't want to use nonstandard features in your ext2 file systems, why are you attempting to use them? |
| 19:33.19 | ectospasm | !tell shrimpwagon about volatile |
| 19:33.45 | salahuddin66 | shrimwagon: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianVolatile |
| 19:34.10 | shrimpwagon | Thank you for the info, but in your professional opinion and experience??? |
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| 19:34.35 | jelly-home | shrimpwagon: use but verify functionality on a test server first |
| 19:34.37 | foetus | greycat: which ones? |
| 19:34.48 | greycat | foetus: whatever it is you're using and then bitching about |
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| 19:35.08 | jelly-home | shrimpwagon: there's not much in volatile anyway, I can't remember anything other than clamav off the top of my head |
| 19:35.18 | streuner | judd, versions libhpmud0 |
| 19:35.19 | judd | Package libhpmud0 on i386 -- lenny-backports: 3.10.5-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.10.6-2; sid: 3.11.1-3; wheezy: 3.11.1-3 |
| 19:35.22 | jelly-home | ,versions clamav |
| 19:35.24 | judd | Package clamav on i386 -- lenny: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; lenny-security: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; lenny-volatile: 0.97+dfsg-2~lenny1; squeeze: 0.97+dfsg-2~squeeze1; squeeze-updates: 0.97+dfsg-2~squeeze1; sid: 0.97+dfsg-2; wheezy: 0.97+dfsg-2 |
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| 19:36.27 | foetus | greycat: no, the problem is, with these settings you still cannot use any imaging software at all, and copying data to sticks becomes a nightmare.. |
| 19:36.43 | greycat | then... don't use them? |
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| 19:37.39 | foetus | greycat: no, just make it easier to the people :) |
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| 19:37.51 | greycat | "the people" are using vfat on their USB removal devices |
| 19:37.59 | jelly-home | "people" don't put ext[234] on usb sticks |
| 19:37.59 | greycat | removable* |
| 19:38.07 | BW^- | maybe my debian machine ran out of memory. now when i find it, its root partition is mounted readonly, though it didn't reboot - uptime is unmodified. is this expectable for when it has ran out of emory? |
| 19:38.33 | greycat | BW^-: no |
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| 19:38.46 | BW^- | hm. |
| 19:38.50 | BW^- | also the filesystem showed some errors |
| 19:38.50 | BW^- | [10284912.240214] EXT3-fs error (device xvdb): ext3_journal_start_sb: Detected aborted journal |
| 19:38.51 | BW^- | etc |
| 19:38.59 | BW^- | [10284912.238577] EXT3-fs error (device xvdb): ext3_free_blocks_sb: bit already cleared for block 1325072 |
| 19:39.05 | greycat | BW^-: *that* could cause it. |
| 19:39.12 | jelly-home | BW^-: check the complete dmesg output |
| 19:39.18 | BW^- | hehe ok. might it be the harddrive that's starting to break down? |
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| 19:39.42 | foetus | greycat: poor solution, and not needful or necessary, but this my point of view.. |
| 19:39.49 | BW^- | [3351867.470979] Out of memory: kill process 9635 (bsc) score 139767 or a child |
| 19:39.50 | BW^- | [3351867.470992] Killed process 9636 (gsc) |
| 19:39.59 | BW^- | [3351867.469194] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 0 |
| 19:40.04 | foetus | *is |
| 19:40.04 | BW^- | after that came all the ext3 fs errors |
| 19:40.13 | jelly-home | BW^-: that was 7 million seconds BEFORE ext3 errors |
| 19:40.36 | BW^- | aha |
| 19:40.44 | jelly-home | BW^-: so like 2-3 months |
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| 19:41.07 | salahuddin66 | BW^: may be. If you have to backup you can run fsck at boot. |
| 19:41.12 | jelly-home | BW^-: pastebin the complete dmesg if you can |
| 19:41.34 | BW^- | i'm in a xen console.. let's see. |
| 19:41.43 | jelly-home | BW^-: what is an xvbd device btw |
| 19:41.56 | jelly-home | xvdb* |
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| 19:42.00 | anisfarhana | How to continue cp -R when it is suddenly terminated? |
| 19:42.03 | Onryo | np give me 5 |
| 19:42.14 | foetus | greycat: but, btw, with 'sync' it works, but my decision is just using xfs.. |
| 19:42.14 | greycat | anisfarhana: rsync |
| 19:42.24 | shrimpwagon | I realize you don't have to say thanks and bye on IRC but I want to thank yall for helping me out on here. It made my day really super easy. Thank you. |
| 19:42.36 | anisfarhana | greycat: hello. |
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| 19:42.53 | jelly-home | !customer |
| 19:42.53 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 19:42.53 | anisfarhana | greycat: I am copying from my old disk to the new disk |
| 19:43.02 | greycat | anisfarhana: rsync is excellent for this |
| 19:43.12 | anisfarhana | greycat: Can you teach me how to use it? |
| 19:43.18 | greycat | man rsync |
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| 19:43.28 | shrimpwagon | rsync rocks! |
| 19:43.30 | anisfarhana | greycat: This is my 4 times the cp -R interrupted. |
| 19:43.31 | shrimpwagon | is super easy |
| 19:43.37 | foetus | goes out to eat something.. |
| 19:43.45 | anisfarhana | i want to copy /some/path to /some/path |
| 19:44.05 | greycat | one of those needs to be different from the other |
| 19:44.08 | jhutchins_lt | anisfarhana: You'll love rsync. It only copies changes, so you can resume and not have to re-do what you've already done. |
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| 19:44.14 | BW^- | .pastebin |
| 19:44.32 | anisfarhana | jhutchins_lt: I will be appreciate if you can teach me how to use the rysnc |
| 19:44.49 | BW^- | jelly-home: now here's all the dmesg http://pastebin.com/nFz4McdA |
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| 19:45.04 | jhutchins_lt | anisfarhana: Read the man page first, it has good examples. If you have questions after that we'll be glad to help. |
| 19:45.10 | Bushmills | if reading doesn't work for you (man rsync...), what can others possibly do to teach you? |
| 19:45.43 | BW^- | jelly-home: any idea what error it is? it looks like it's the FS and that's it, right? |
| 19:45.46 | Bushmills | send you an audio file with spoken instructions? |
| 19:46.08 | BW^- | i'll reboot the machine. |
| 19:46.10 | sacredchao | I have a large mdadm RAID-6 array and a member dropped out and now that I've rebooted I am fairly positive that the missing member does NOT need to be rebuilt, I just want to POP it back into the array without waiting ages for parity calculcations.... how do I do this with mdadm? |
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| 19:46.28 | jelly-home | BW^-: dear goodness, I haven't even gone thru the half of you dmesg |
| 19:46.36 | BW^- | :) |
| 19:46.55 | jhutchins_lt | anisfarhana: If we just give you a command you can only use it for this one thing. If you read the man page you'll be able to use it for other things and you'll know what else it can be used for. |
| 19:47.13 | jelly-home | if you want FAST and inaccurate answers you'll have to pay |
| 19:47.29 | anisfarhana | jhutchins_lt: i understand it , but time is running out at the moment , can't afford to man page. |
| 19:47.36 | anisfarhana | jhutchins_lt: i mean for now |
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| 19:47.40 | BW^- | jelly-home: :) i can wait |
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| 19:48.13 | Bushmills | then try cp -R |
| 19:48.14 | jhutchins_lt | anisfarhana: If you don't have time to do the job properly you don't have time to do the job. |
| 19:48.47 | greycat | this may be a stupid question, but if you're in such a hurry, WHY do you keep interrupting your cp -R command? |
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| 19:48.53 | jelly-home | BW^-: doesn't look like anything interesting or recognizable |
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| 19:49.04 | BW^- | jelly-home: aha. |
| 19:49.08 | jelly-home | BW^-: reboot, fsck, hope it doesn't happen again |
| 19:49.11 | BW^- | mm |
| 19:49.18 | BW^- | in case it'd been that it ran out of RAM, there would have been other messages, right? |
| 19:49.20 | greycat | it's still "touch /forcefsck", right? |
| 19:49.34 | greycat | running out of memory should not corrupt a file system |
| 19:49.43 | BW^- | also.. it shouldn't be broken harddrive, as there's noe rrors from the harddrive controller |
| 19:49.45 | jhutchins_lt | anisfarhana: In the time since it was first suggested you could have read enough of it to know what to do. |
| 19:49.45 | jelly-home | BW^-: that's not an OOM issue, yeah |
| 19:49.57 | jelly-home | BW^-: did any other guests suffer? |
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| 19:50.16 | jelly-home | or what xen calls'em... domUs? |
| 19:50.42 | djura-san | o/ |
| 19:50.55 | Bushmills | wonders how writing instruction, then reading them would be any faster than reading what has already been written down |
| 19:50.58 | BW^- | jelly-home: i don't think so, i'm not the admin. though will ask |
| 19:51.13 | jelly-home | there're also kernel updates |
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| 19:51.47 | ompaul | Bushmills: did you ever sanity check an instruction and find it didn't work in a test case? |
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| 19:51.52 | jelly-home | BW^-: you're at 2.6.32-29 and latest seems to be -31 |
| 19:52.32 | Bushmills | ompaul: maybe .. though i can't remember a specific case where that was the case atm |
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| 19:53.26 | ompaul | ;-) |
| 19:53.31 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: There are a lot of manpages that really aren't good "how do I use this thing" guides. rsync is not one of them, but they're out there. |
| 19:53.44 | BW^- | xen's shutdown and reboot commands don't work |
| 19:54.00 | Calyp | soo.. i installed Debian on this laptop, and now i'd like to get video and audio to work for me.. |
| 19:54.03 | greycat | "For the real documentation see ``info some really long command 'with quoted bits' in'' |
| 19:54.05 | Calyp | ATI crap sadly. |
| 19:54.19 | ectospasm | jhutchins_lt: I've noticed that with manpages that were created by someone on the Debian team, rather than the upstream package maintainers... |
| 19:54.29 | Calyp | basically, where do i start? |
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| 19:55.09 | salahuddin66 | Calyp: Install mplayer |
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| 19:55.56 | Calyp | salahuddin66, wil that solve my drivers? |
| 19:55.57 | greycat | Calyp: did you install firmware-linux-nonfree yet? |
| 19:56.03 | Calyp | nope |
| 19:56.15 | Bushmills | jhutchins_lt: inadequate man pages may eventually be replaced against improved once. though writing a new one still takes longer than reading the old one. |
| 19:56.23 | Bushmills | improved ones |
| 19:56.24 | Calyp | think n00b and former Ubuntu user |
| 19:56.25 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Do we know he needs them? |
| 19:56.33 | greycat | we don't know much yet. |
| 19:56.37 | InfectedSoul | hey does the USB-N13 work on debian? |
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| 19:57.21 | salahuddin66 | Calyp: http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
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| 19:57.31 | jhutchins_lt | Calyp: What have you done so far? Have you tried to play audio or video files? What with? |
| 19:57.46 | jhutchins_lt | Calyp: What has happened if they did not play as you expected? |
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| 19:57.54 | BW^- | thanks for looking at it! i don't understand this, reboot in xen doesn't work, so i'll need to turn to the administrator |
| 19:57.55 | Calyp | just online videoplayers |
| 19:58.02 | jhutchins_lt | Calyp: What release are you on? What desktop are you running (if any)? |
| 19:58.04 | Bushmills | flash stuff? |
| 19:58.05 | greycat | on...line... what? |
| 19:58.14 | Calyp | Gnome |
| 19:58.25 | salahuddin66 | Calyp: Online video players are flash player. (you have to install flash-player first |
| 19:58.31 | Bushmills | problem may not be related to your video drivers at all |
| 19:58.38 | jhutchins_lt | !flash |
| 19:58.38 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 19:58.38 | Calyp | ok |
| 19:59.10 | Calyp | i know about flash... yeah, does Debian come without it? |
| 19:59.15 | Calyp | ( gnash? ) |
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| 19:59.32 | jhutchins_lt | Calyp: Not legal for Debian to distribute it. |
| 19:59.58 | greycat | If you want the flash plugin, you can install it. How you install it depends on which browser you're using, etc. |
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| 20:00.18 | Calyp | ok |
| 20:00.39 | Calyp | oh, well, i'm using ice weasel atm |
| 20:01.03 | salahuddin66 | Calyp: its same as Firefox... |
| 20:01.07 | Calyp | right |
| 20:01.16 | greycat | for iceweasel, which I believe mimics FF3, you'd probably symlink something from /usr/plugins/ or similar |
| 20:01.25 | Calyp | used to run ice cat under Ubuntu & Trisquel |
| 20:01.38 | Calyp | symlink? |
| 20:01.46 | greycat | or at least that's how I do it. |
| 20:01.48 | jhutchins_lt | Calyp: When dpkg says <something> you can /msg dpkg something and it'll give you a brief explanation. |
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| 20:02.24 | greycat | for firefox 4, it's TOTALLY changed (and TOTALLY undocumented...), but you symlink from ~/.mozilla/plugins/ instead of /some/root/place |
| 20:02.25 | jhutchins_lt | Calyp: iceweasel is just firefox rebranded for licensing reasons. |
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| 20:02.46 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Actually, that works in 3 as well. |
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| 20:02.56 | Calyp | jhutchins, ah, ok. |
| 20:02.59 | greycat | lrwxrwxrwx 1 greg greg 36 Mar 24 19:56 .mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so -> /usr/local/plugins/libflashplayer.so* |
| 20:03.00 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Mozilla's famous inconsistency in file locations. |
| 20:03.20 | Calyp | heh |
| 20:03.20 | nimbius | hi debian, stupid question but in fedora bash i could delete whole words from the console using alt+backspace...what is the equivalent in debian? |
| 20:03.28 | greycat | To be honest, I like the FF4 way better, but still -- you have to DOCUMENT it! Jesus! It took me ages to find someone on IRC who happened to know, and I have no idea how *he* knew. |
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| 20:03.44 | Bushmills | ctrl-W |
| 20:03.53 | dondelelcaro | nimbius: it's the same if you're using readline |
| 20:03.56 | stevieman | I had xdmcp up and running. I had to shut down my machine to install a battery backup and upon reboot, I can connect via xdmcp but All I get is the X cursor, the background and the login window never appears. Any ideas on what is going on? |
| 20:03.58 | greycat | With the FF3 way, I had to recreate the symlink under /usr/local/firefox/plugins/ after every update |
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| 20:04.08 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Do system-wide plugins no longer work in 4? |
| 20:04.09 | Calyp | greycat: sounds silly enough to develop stuff without making a manual, so to speak |
| 20:04.13 | nimbius | Bushmills: thanks :) |
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| 20:04.20 | nimbius | dondelelcaro: how do i move back and forth one word at a time? |
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| 20:04.41 | jhutchins_lt | Calyp: Happens all the time. Anything in linux that is fully doccumented is by definition obsolete. |
| 20:04.43 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: there's no 'plugins' directory under /usr/local/firefox/ in FF4, so if there is a system-wide way to do it, I don't know where it would be. |
| 20:04.45 | foetus | consumed his meal..delicious |
| 20:05.04 | dondelelcaro | nimbius: info readline; by default it's M-f/M-b |
| 20:05.20 | gnugr | dondelelcaro: can i pm you |
| 20:05.32 | Bushmills | won't tell as the question was specifically directed towards dondelelcaro |
| 20:05.33 | dondelelcaro | gnugr: you already have. continuously asking isn't useful |
| 20:05.48 | gnugr | must i beg? |
| 20:05.50 | robo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:06.13 | dondelelcaro | gnugr: I will get to it when I get to it; asking me repeatedly is annoying and useless |
| 20:06.14 | greycat | robo: what does "ifconfig -a" show? |
| 20:06.24 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins? |
| 20:06.25 | nimbius | cool :) |
| 20:06.32 | nimbius | thanks dondelelcaro :) |
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| 20:06.43 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: I wouldn't have known to try such a place, as it's not documented, so ... maybe? |
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| 20:07.04 | gnugr | what is human anyways |
| 20:07.14 | jhutchins_lt | I had a system (Mandriva) a few years back that had more than a dozen different locations for Mozilla plugins. |
| 20:07.23 | greycat | gnugr: ... what? |
| 20:08.05 | jhutchins_lt | I think he means /msg bots not people? |
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| 20:08.56 | jhutchins_lt | gnugr: It's better to ask questions here so that anybody who knows about it can help you, and so other people can learn. |
| 20:09.30 | Calyp | <jhutchins_lt> Calyp: What has happened if they did not play as you expected? <---I just get a black video player |
| 20:09.48 | robo | greycat, it shows eht0 is there |
| 20:09.52 | robo | hmm |
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| 20:10.24 | robo | just looks like it was never added to /etc/network/interfaces. Guess I need to put that in manually. |
| 20:10.25 | jhutchins_lt | Calyp: You're probably looking for flash, as discussed earlier. |
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| 20:11.30 | Calyp | jhutchins_lt, right... how do i installe it properly, and is there any free version that works? |
| 20:11.46 | karlpinc | !tell Calyp about flash |
| 20:12.13 | jhutchins_lt | Calyp: Unless you're fanticall about licenses, I wouldn't bother with the free versions. |
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| 20:12.23 | jhutchins_lt | Calyp: There will be a lot of flash you can't use. |
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| 20:12.51 | jhutchins_lt | Calyp: There's _always_ broken flash, but using the Adobe player/plugin gives you better odds. |
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| 20:14.04 | jhutchins_lt | !tell Calyp about adobe flash |
| 20:14.10 | cwillu_at_work | Can I poke a random person about btrfs, grub, and dpkg? |
| 20:14.19 | cwillu_at_work | (I'm not asking for support, not really :p) |
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| 20:14.24 | joe6 | what is the package name for gtkextra ? |
| 20:14.45 | karlpinc | cwillu_at_work: If you've a question, ask. If you want to chat go to #debian-offtopic. |
| 20:14.50 | joe6 | apt-cache search gtk comes up with a tonne of packages and I am not sure which one to pick. |
| 20:15.16 | cwillu_at_work | There's a grumpy user on the btrfs mailing list, unable to update grub because dpkg is croaking on the previous version's remove script |
| 20:15.37 | cwillu_at_work | Is there a quick and easy way to force it to update? |
| 20:15.45 | karlpinc | joe6: If you're looking for a specific file try apt-file. |
| 20:15.57 | greycat | that would depend greatly on *why* the script is croaking |
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| 20:16.12 | joe6 | karlpinc, apt-file gtk+-2.0.pc ? |
| 20:16.14 | cwillu_at_work | """I was afraid of this finger-pointing. Of course no one at Debian is going to know how to fix BTRFS jamming the package management system. That's ridiculous.""" is the sort of thing that makes me kinda grumpy, but the easiest thing is just to do his work for him :( |
| 20:16.28 | joe6 | karlpinc, do not worry. I will get it off the man. |
| 20:16.31 | cwillu_at_work | greycat, sec |
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| 20:17.14 | cwillu_at_work | greycat, http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.btrfs/10515 is the thread |
| 20:17.19 | cwillu_at_work | there's logs of the errors in there |
| 20:17.58 | stew | cwillu_at_work: can you show us the output of "mount" ? |
| 20:18.08 | greycat | /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?). |
| 20:18.17 | greycat | that doesn't look like a quick fix |
| 20:18.34 | stew | cwillu_at_work: is this inside a chroot? |
| 20:19.04 | cwillu_at_work | greycat, somebody reported that the latest version of grub from some release works fine (which I'd believe), but the old package remove script failing seems to be blocking it |
| 20:19.11 | cwillu_at_work | stew, no, he's using it as his root filesystem |
| 20:19.22 | cwillu_at_work | (some people don't understand warnings) |
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| 20:20.14 | greycat | cwillu_at_work: well, if you want to break things good & proper, you could edit the postrm script and replace it with 'exit 0' |
| 20:20.15 | stew | cwillu_at_work: oh wait, this isn't your problem, but someone random on some other mailing list? |
| 20:20.46 | cwillu_at_work | stew, yep :( |
| 20:20.53 | greycat | although I'm not sure what the /etc/kernel/postrm.d thing is. |
| 20:20.55 | cwillu_at_work | greycat, he claims that didn't help :p |
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| 20:21.29 | cwillu_at_work | oh, no, he did something else |
| 20:21.35 | greycat | a better answer might be "undo whatever it is that you did which caused grub-probe to fail" |
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| 20:22.17 | cwillu_at_work | greycat, grub-probe never worked against btrfs until recently |
| 20:22.25 | greycat | anyway, looks like it's /etc/kernel/postrm.d/zz-update-grub |
| 20:22.39 | cwillu_at_work | I guess he could manually install a new grub-probe by extracting the package by hand or something? |
| 20:22.47 | greycat | also a possibility |
| 20:23.01 | stew | cwillu_at_work: he should file a bug in the bts |
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| 20:23.20 | cwillu_at_work | bts = debian bug tracker? |
| 20:23.23 | stew | yes |
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| 20:25.46 | stew | "WARNING: Btrfs is under heavy development, and is not suitable for any uses other than benchmarking and review." is in the package description |
| 20:26.17 | cwillu_at_work | which, btrfs-progs? |
| 20:26.21 | cwillu_at_work | (I'm trying to be specific :p) |
| 20:26.42 | stew | btrfs-tools |
| 20:26.45 | cwillu_at_work | thanks |
| 20:27.27 | cwillu_at_work | incidently, that might be overstating things a little bit, we might even have a working fsck later this month :) |
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| 20:30.31 | tonytraductor | I've got kind of a weird question. |
| 20:30.40 | Calyp | do i need to add some repository to get hold of flashplugin? |
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| 20:31.12 | ZykoticK9 | Calyp, non-free |
| 20:31.25 | Calyp | right... i do that how? |
| 20:31.26 | greycat | Calyp: I always just download it from the manufacturer's web site and extract it by hand. |
| 20:31.35 | Calyp | hmm |
| 20:31.38 | ZykoticK9 | Calyp, and if you add non-free you might as well add contrib as well |
| 20:31.43 | cwillu_at_work | tonytraductor, you'll do better by asking it :) |
| 20:31.44 | Calyp | mkay |
| 20:31.50 | stew | especially since the package is in contrib and not non-free |
| 20:31.59 | ZykoticK9 | stew, thanks |
| 20:32.03 | tonytraductor | My router, a linksys, when I look at the dhcp table (http://192.168.1.1/DHCPTable.htm) shows me my peppermintos laptop, netbook running the same, and my kid's win7 machine, but doesn't show my desktop and my webserver, both running squeeze...it used to show me the IP address of every machine. |
| 20:32.22 | Calyp | mkay, and can someone pull some termianl command out their hat for me? ?Å |
| 20:32.26 | Calyp | *=P |
| 20:32.34 | Calyp | to add them i mean.. |
| 20:32.44 | tonytraductor | so, it's only the two debian machines that aren't showing, which I find odd. |
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| 20:32.47 | cwillu_at_work | tonytraductor, are they configured to use a static ip? |
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| 20:33.17 | ZykoticK9 | Calyp, you want to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file and append them |
| 20:33.28 | tonytraductor | hmmm...would they be configured to be static on the network if I chose to forward certain ports to them? |
| 20:33.47 | Calyp | ZykoticK9, with what adresses then? |
| 20:33.49 | tonytraductor | ssh comes to my workhorse, and all tcp goes to the server. |
| 20:34.09 | ZykoticK9 | Calyp, simply add "contrib non-free" after main |
| 20:34.25 | tonytraductor | all http (80 , 443) and ftp (20, 22) go to th server |
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| 20:34.38 | greycat | tonytraductor: look in /etc/network/interfaces and see if it's static or dhcp |
| 20:34.56 | cwillu_at_work | tonytraductor, the router may display static dhcp entries somewhere else, or the machines may be locally configured with a static address, in which case the dhcp tables in the router would have no knowledge of them |
| 20:35.08 | cwillu_at_work | (dhcp listings is not a fool-proof way to enumerate all machines on a network) |
| 20:35.20 | tonytraductor | I see iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 20:36.02 | tonytraductor | I mean, everything is working fine, I just find it weird that these machines are not listed in the dhcp table, because, i swear, they used to be |
| 20:36.24 | Calyp | ZykoticK9: "main" what? |
| 20:36.28 | tonytraductor | so, no real problem, I suppose, but this just has me curious |
| 20:36.35 | greycat | tonytraductor: sounds like a problem on the router side, then, not the Debian side |
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| 20:37.04 | tonytraductor | weird |
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| 20:37.32 | ZykoticK9 | stew, you are correct in it being in contrib, but my question because, why is flashplugin-nonfree not in the non-free repo? I guess I'm confused on what contrib is exactly, I thought those packages simply relied on something non-free but where free software themselves (I don't think flashplugin falls into that category) |
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| 20:37.39 | tonytraductor | the router is routing traffic through correctly, anyway |
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| 20:37.54 | ZykoticK9 | s/because/becomes/ |
| 20:38.07 | stew | ZykoticK9: contrib is free software which relies on software for running or building which is not in main |
| 20:38.11 | sigmonsays | I am looking for a way to reset the state of a postinst script. It fails to run so apt complains, however I dont want the postinst to run at all. Can I disabled it? |
| 20:38.22 | stew | ZykoticK9: flashplugin-nonfree is free software that downloads a non-free plugin for you |
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| 20:38.30 | tonytraductor | I mean, I don't really see a problem anywhere. Everything seems to be functioning normally, except that the router isn't listing these machines. |
| 20:38.32 | stew | ZykoticK9: (and the plugin is obviously not in main) |
| 20:38.38 | ZykoticK9 | stew, ahhh thanks. that makes sense. |
| 20:38.41 | greycat | what is it with people trying to hack postrm/postinst scripts today? |
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| 20:39.39 | Calyp | <ZykoticK9> Calyp, simply add "contrib non-free" after main <--- "main"? |
| 20:39.59 | Calyp | main what? |
| 20:40.04 | ZykoticK9 | Calyp, have a look at the sources.list file perhaps that will clear it up for you. |
| 20:40.12 | Calyp | in the sources list many lines end with "main" |
| 20:40.20 | greycat | Calyp: in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:40.20 | Calyp | looking at it... |
| 20:40.27 | Calyp | looking at it... |
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| 20:41.08 | greycat | sigmonsays: you can edit the postinst scripts (/var/lib/dpkg/info/ for most of them) but you're on your own if you break something |
| 20:41.26 | Calyp | should i add "contrib non-free" to ach line ending with "Squeeze main" ??? |
| 20:41.36 | Calyp | *each |
| 20:41.37 | cwillu_at_work | huggles greycat |
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| 20:43.18 | ZykoticK9 | Calyp, i don't use contrib or non-free (anymore) so I'm not sure how many it applies too, sorry. |
| 20:43.32 | babilen | Calyp: yes (but that also depends on what you want/need) |
| 20:43.36 | sigmonsays | greycat, cheers. It's just a silly user/pass issue because debian thinks it should manage my MySQL server =P |
| 20:43.53 | Calyp | babilen: flash for starters |
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| 20:44.36 | babilen | Calyp: You don't need non-free for flash as it is in contrib. But enable whatever you want, just wanted to make clear that enabling contrib and non-free is in no way mandatory |
| 20:44.56 | Calyp | hmm |
| 20:45.23 | Calyp | as long as the more common webplayers work, i'm fine... |
| 20:45.41 | greycat | Flash *is* the player. Do you mean specific web pages? |
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| 20:45.55 | stew | Gnash *is* the other player |
| 20:46.09 | stew | (the free one, that doesn't support all the latest flash stuff) |
| 20:46.31 | Calyp | if gnash works with youtube, google video and vimeo i'm propably satisfied |
| 20:46.50 | streuner | he already told you the truth |
| 20:46.58 | streuner | :-/ |
| 20:47.03 | Calyp | latest flash.. what a strange centence... flash deserves to die |
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| 20:47.27 | streuner | sure, but till this happens you have to deal with :-) |
| 20:47.40 | Calyp | yeah, i know... =/ |
| 20:47.44 | stew | you'll probably not be satisfied then |
| 20:47.45 | MartyD | hi guys! any ideas how to enable 3d on an old radeon 9000 mobility in squeeze? worked fine in Lenny... :( |
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| 20:48.12 | babilen | MartyD: firmware and libgl1-mesa-dri installed? |
| 20:48.38 | MartyD | babilen I just installed firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 20:48.57 | greycat | did you get any errors/warnings from firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 20:49.19 | greycat | there are some *more* packages that it may want you to install, for some reason... |
| 20:49.19 | babilen | MartyD: You also need libgl1-mesa-dri -- reboot and it should be fine |
| 20:49.41 | greycat | although I don't think the radeon 9000 would require any of those... my stupid realtek NIC did. |
| 20:49.48 | MartyD | mesa is already installed, I'll try a reboot then |
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| 20:49.58 | twobitsprite | when in doubt, reboot |
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| 20:50.17 | babilen | twobitsprite: radeon module needs to be reloaded |
| 20:50.17 | MartyD | thanks, i'll brb! |
| 20:50.22 | shrimpwagon | Installing Linux, installing LILO. Is asking to "Please insert the disc labeled: 'Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.1a _Squeeze_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20110320-15:03' in the drive '/media/cdrom/' |
| 20:50.28 | shrimpwagon | The disc is in there |
| 20:50.29 | twobitsprite | (although, simply restarting X should do the trick...) |
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| 20:51.00 | twobitsprite | shrimpwagon: why are you installing lilo instead of grub? |
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| 20:51.04 | shrimpwagon | The disc in there is how I'm installing Deb in the first fricken place |
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| 20:51.14 | shrimpwagon | because appearantly I can't install grub on RAID |
| 20:51.25 | greycat | news to me. |
| 20:51.25 | shrimpwagon | Well, I don't know how |
| 20:51.34 | shrimpwagon | I tried but failed miserably |
| 20:51.52 | twobitsprite | software raid? |
| 20:52.20 | shrimpwagon | yeah, Linux RAID |
| 20:52.26 | shrimpwagon | now the tray won't open |
| 20:53.21 | shrimpwagon | ok, if I try to install grub2 it says it can't install to master boot rcord |
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| 20:53.34 | shrimpwagon | so I tried 'no' and specified /dev/md2 |
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| 20:53.47 | shrimpwagon | I have a RAID 1 on md2...I think... |
| 20:53.58 | twobitsprite | did you see this howto: http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2003-July/008898.html |
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| 20:54.34 | greycat | I'd be just a bit leery of a 7-year-old howto involving boot loaders |
| 20:54.41 | twobitsprite | hands elkclone a / |
| 20:54.53 | stew | shrimpwagon: you should be install grub to a real drive, not to a md |
| 20:54.54 | elkclone | ty |
| 20:54.56 | elkclone | lol |
| 20:55.02 | twobitsprite | greycat: good point... didn't notice the date |
| 20:55.04 | MartyD | wow! with firmware-linux-nonfree and mesa i get a whoopin 60fps in glxgears!! *shrug* |
| 20:55.25 | stew | shrimpwagon: you can't put your bootloader on a device which won't exist until after the machine boots |
| 20:55.27 | babilen | MartyD: does it match your monitors refresh rate? |
| 20:55.39 | MartyD | babilen, how can I tell? |
| 20:55.41 | greycat | MartyD: look for errors in dmesg and in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:55.44 | babilen | MartyD: Please also paste the output of "glxinfo" to http://paste.debian.net |
| 20:56.08 | twobitsprite | babilen: it shouldn't be limited to refresh rate |
| 20:56.08 | shrimpwagon | well, what goes in /boot |
| 20:56.10 | shrimpwagon | ??? |
| 20:56.39 | shrimpwagon | stew: when I try LILO, I can select /dev/md2 |
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| 20:56.57 | twobitsprite | shrimpwagon: does it boot off of /dev/md2? |
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| 20:57.29 | shrimpwagon | twobitsprite: NO, it doesn't boot yet |
| 20:57.55 | shrimpwagon | twobitsprite: I have not been able to install a boot loader yet |
| 20:58.21 | hje841 | Hi. I know this might not be the place, but does any of you have any experience with Mono on Debian? especially mod_mono in Apache2 |
| 20:58.31 | twobitsprite | shrimpwagon: I'm just saying, just because lilo let's you select /dev/md2 doesn't mean it'll work |
| 20:58.39 | MartyD | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/116119/ |
| 20:58.45 | shrimpwagon | twobitsprite: gotcha |
| 21:00.03 | twobitsprite | shrimpwagon: are you in the debian installer? or are you setting up raid1 on an existing install? |
| 21:00.15 | shrimpwagon | twobitsprite: in the installer |
| 21:00.20 | babilen | MartyD: well, you have hardware rendering. That is as good as it gets with the free drivers. You might want to try fglrx (/msg dpkg fglrx dkms) and check if you get a higher performance. Do you actually experience problems? |
| 21:00.37 | Calyp | got it working fine now=) |
| 21:00.41 | streuner | hje841: very true |
| 21:00.42 | karlpinc | !tell hje841 about anyone |
| 21:00.52 | greycat | and that *is* a very old Radeon card. it's not going to be blazing fast in any case. |
| 21:00.52 | Calyp | next issue, get my WiFi working... |
| 21:00.57 | Calyp | how to? |
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| 21:01.07 | shrimpwagon | twobitsprite: I set up 4 2TB SATAs for RAID5 on /, 4GB RAID 1 on /boot, and 8 GB RAID0 on swap |
| 21:01.14 | streuner | knows only one person who has an idea about mono at all |
| 21:01.26 | streuner | the mono maint. in Debian... |
| 21:01.49 | MartyD | babilen, no problems yet, gotta try Chromium BSU or something.. here's the xorg.0.log http://paste.debian.net/116121/ |
| 21:01.56 | twobitsprite | shrimpwagon: sounds like a weird setup to me, but ok... |
| 21:02.02 | karlpinc | shrimpwagon: 4G is rather big for /boot. The only thing that goes in there are what's needed to boot. The bootloader stuff and the kernels. |
| 21:02.05 | twobitsprite | did you check out the raid section in the install guide? |
| 21:02.08 | greycat | shrimpwagon: you should be installing GRUB to the two disks that have /boot on them |
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| 21:02.12 | shrimpwagon | twobitsprite: is for a file server |
| 21:02.25 | shrimpwagon | twobitsprite: right, but I can't for some dumb reason |
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| 21:02.39 | shrimpwagon | twobitsprite: I'm almost at that screen again... |
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| 21:02.59 | karlpinc | shrimpwagon: Check the logs in alt-f4 (or f-something). |
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| 21:04.12 | shrimpwagon | greycat: "Install the GRUB boot loader to the master boot record?" Yes/No |
| 21:04.21 | MartyD | babilen: however, I'm already happy I have SOME acceleration thanks to your hints. I owe you a beer! :) |
| 21:04.30 | greycat | It isn't asking you to select one or more disks from a list? |
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| 21:04.47 | streuner | (basically its a rhetoric question) |
| 21:04.52 | shrimpwagon | Yes=>"Executing 'grub-install (hd0)' failed" |
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| 21:05.14 | greycat | Is this the Squeeze installer? |
| 21:05.16 | stew | shrimpwagon: why can't you install grub to the disks? |
| 21:05.38 | twobitsprite | shrimpwagon: no error messages? what about hitting alt-right and checking the logs there |
| 21:05.40 | shrimpwagon | stew: that's the million dollar question |
| 21:05.51 | shrimpwagon | ok wait.... |
| 21:05.57 | stew | shrimpwagon: is this in the installer? or on the command line? |
| 21:05.58 | shrimpwagon | if I answer No |
| 21:06.00 | streuner | we had problem in Debian with RAID and grub, but they arent solved in d-i (stable) nowadays? |
| 21:06.28 | shrimpwagon | [!!] Install the GRUB boot loader on hard disk |
| 21:06.28 | shrimpwagon | Device for boot loader installation: |
| 21:06.28 | shrimpwagon | _____ |
| 21:06.38 | greycat | that looks better |
| 21:06.44 | twobitsprite | streuner: the install guide says grub supports raid1 for /boot |
| 21:06.44 | shrimpwagon | I would think it's /dev/md2 |
| 21:06.57 | shrimpwagon | should I just put in /boot? |
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| 21:07.05 | greycat | shrimpwagon: no, it is the set of *disks* that have the componenets of md2 on them |
| 21:07.14 | streuner | twobitsprite: ok |
| 21:07.17 | NotLim | hi there... i have a little problem, maybe someone can help me: i'm trying to use cryptsetup in debian squeeze... i do: cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/md0 somekey... it says: This will overwrite data on /dev/blablabla irrevocably... i accept... then, i do: cryptsetup -d somekey luksOpen /dev/blablabla somename ... then it says: Device /dev/blablabla is not a valid LUKS device... what's wrong with cryptsetup |
| 21:07.17 | NotLim | in squeeze? thanks |
| 21:07.18 | shrimpwagon | greycat: RIGHT |
| 21:07.32 | stew | shrimpwagon: /dev/md2 won't exist until after you boot so it doesn't make sense to try to boot from it |
| 21:07.32 | greycat | if your /boot RAID1 is on "FUJITSU DISK 17" and "FUJITSU DISK 19" then you choose those. |
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| 21:09.30 | stew | what if it is hitachi instead of fujitsu? |
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| 21:10.08 | twobitsprite | !slap stew |
| 21:10.08 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across stew's face |
| 21:10.24 | streuner | heh |
| 21:10.27 | MartyD | babilen: I noticed when the glxgears window is in front I get 827fps, when I focus another it goes down to 60fps. So all is good I think |
| 21:10.41 | streuner | MIOW: are you a bot? |
| 21:10.45 | babilen | MartyD: wonderful :) |
| 21:10.47 | shrimpwagon | so |
| 21:10.58 | daemonkeeper | streuner: Turing test? |
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| 21:11.04 | shrimpwagon | how much space does the boot loader need? |
| 21:11.18 | shrimpwagon | do I just choose one of the four? |
| 21:11.19 | streuner | daemonkeeper: its just a feeling |
| 21:11.27 | shrimpwagon | I already tried /dev/sda |
| 21:11.29 | shrimpwagon | and it failed |
| 21:11.33 | greycat | ... |
| 21:11.44 | twobitsprite | errors? |
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| 21:13.43 | shrimpwagon | twobitsprite: just says error, sda failed |
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| 21:13.57 | streuner | greycat: is the error now fixed? |
| 21:14.21 | greycat | which error are you referring to? |
| 21:14.35 | streuner | greycat: (about the lenny->squeeze session) |
| 21:14.45 | greycat | Yes, I made it boot the Lenny kernel. |
| 21:14.45 | twobitsprite | shrimpwagon: did you check the other vterms for errors in the logs? |
| 21:16.00 | streuner | greycat: well, i used xfs once and after one year after a kernel upgrade it brokes my FS in Debian, i use JFS now... |
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| 21:16.18 | greycat | Again, it is NOT a file system error. The kernel is reporting the wrong size for the disk device. |
| 21:16.28 | streuner | ok |
| 21:16.42 | jelly-home | silly kernel |
| 21:16.47 | streuner | yeah |
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| 21:17.01 | streuner | greycat: thats what tried to tell you :-P |
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| 21:18.41 | streuner | greycat: ok, wrong logic here, true |
| 21:19.24 | streuner | greycat: whatever some other guys did the same (changed the FS then)... |
| 21:19.39 | ironm | good evening - can you recommend to run "xen-hypervisor-4.0-amd64 - The Xen Hypervisor on AMD64" an debian 6.0 base? ... I don't want to use VMware Supervisor. |
| 21:19.59 | chrissbx | In openoffice, is there a way to disable menu activation through the meta (alt) key? It is driving me crazy. |
| 21:20.03 | ironm | maybe there is another better possibility - thank you in advance for any hints |
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| 21:20.41 | twobitsprite | chrissbx: I doubt it.. alt is the standard convention for menu activation these days |
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| 21:21.12 | chrissbx | twobitsprite: what I mean is that just hitting the alt key then releasing it (or pressing it for >1 second) will already open the menu; |
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| 21:21.28 | chrissbx | twobitsprite: I'm ok with alt+ something, but alt alone is bs. |
| 21:21.51 | chrissbx | Because I'm using alt-tab and alt{1..9} for window/workspace switching. |
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| 21:22.12 | chrissbx | So, each time I'm toggling windows and come back I'm trapped in that darn menu. |
| 21:22.28 | pera | Hi, I installed vsftpd (with apt-get) and a new ftp user was created, why the shell of this user is /bin/false and not /usr/sbin/nologin ? |
| 21:22.29 | twobitsprite | chrissbx: not sure... you might try asking in #openoffice.org or #debian-oo on oftc.net |
| 21:22.30 | chrissbx | twobitsprite: and *this* is definitely *not* standard convention. |
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| 21:23.19 | twobitsprite | pera: same thing basically |
| 21:23.29 | pera | actually not the same.. |
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| 21:24.08 | twobitsprite | pera: only difference is nologin prints "This account is disabled" before exiting and returning 1 |
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| 21:24.34 | pera | yeah, thats why everybody use nologin :) |
| 21:24.51 | twobitsprite | pera: you can file a bug against the vsftpd package |
| 21:25.03 | twobitsprite | or just change it to nologin and move on :) |
| 21:25.04 | pera | ok thx twobitsprite |
| 21:25.13 | pera | =) |
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| 21:29.05 | streuner | (kommt drauf an ob man nen Fisch ist) |
| 21:29.45 | streuner | (You should reach an isle if you are in a ocean... it depends if you are a fish...) |
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| 21:30.18 | twobitsprite | streuner: mischan? |
| 21:30.30 | streuner | tempeldirne |
| 21:30.41 | streuner | * tempeldirne hat die Verbindung getrennt (Quit: "Man sollte in einem Ozean nicht das Wasser suchen, sondern die Inseln." Prof. Meinhardt) |
| 21:31.06 | twobitsprite | ahh... I have quits ignored :) |
| 21:31.19 | streuner | omg, really? |
| 21:31.29 | twobitsprite | yep, along with joins, parts, etc |
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| 21:31.48 | twobitsprite | makes it soo much easier to follow what people are saying |
| 21:32.03 | twobitsprite | you'd be surprised how quiet it gets in here when you do that |
| 21:32.25 | streuner | twobitsprite: well, ignoring things isnt helpful in life, IMO |
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| 21:32.45 | twobitsprite | streuner: I'm not sure how joins, parts and quits are helpful... |
| 21:33.06 | twobitsprite | and besides, we ignore things all the time... it's all a matter of relevance... |
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| 21:33.27 | twobitsprite | for example, until I said something, I doubt you were conciously aware of the feeling of your feet against the ground |
| 21:33.35 | streuner | yeah, but you can decide *then* what is relevant or not... |
| 21:33.58 | twobitsprite | *shrug*... I can't imagine a scenario where I really would care who joins and who leaves... I respond to what is said |
| 21:34.24 | twobitsprite | I've had them ignored for a very long time in here, and not once has it caused any confusion or problems |
| 21:35.43 | jelly-home | I've has an occasional mistab every month or so |
| 21:36.01 | jelly-home | s/has/had/ |
| 21:36.05 | twobitsprite | jelly-home: that's why I touch-type :) |
| 21:36.21 | jelly-home | I'm not a touchy-feely type |
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| 21:37.23 | twobitsprite | but you're so gelatinous |
| 21:38.05 | twobitsprite | *ahem* anyone have any outstanding questions? :P |
| 21:38.18 | foetus | ~ |
| 21:38.31 | streuner | twobitsprite: have some patience :-P |
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| 21:39.05 | twobitsprite | streuner: just wanted to make sure we weren't going off-topic while people are waiting for someone to answer their question :) |
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| 21:41.07 | streuner | twobitsprite: we talked about quits/joins and stuff, so no worries :-P |
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| 21:49.56 | streuner | twobitsprite: we didnt talk about your underwear, that would be *OT* :-P |
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| 21:50.57 | jelly-home | !penixstrike streuner |
| 21:50.57 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking streuner to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 21:51.29 | streuner | jelly-home: hm, need to this... |
| 21:51.35 | streuner | jelly-home: no* |
| 21:51.40 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
| 21:51.40 | dpkg | <alfred> how do i set my date and time from an nntp server? <greycat> hahaha |
| 21:52.13 | streuner | dpkg, factinfo quotd0 |
| 21:52.14 | dpkg | streuner: there's no such factoid as quotd0 |
| 21:52.30 | streuner | dpkg, factinfo qotd0 |
| 21:52.30 | dpkg | qotd0 -- last modified at Sun Apr 6 06:19:53 2008 by hoxu!i=FpxlxP1c@unaffiliated/hoxu; it has been requested 4471 times, last by jelly-home, 50s ago. |
| 21:52.36 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
| 21:52.37 | dpkg | <racoontje> p_each, I don't use debian often but I have used debian on fedora core 2 |
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| 21:53.29 | streuner | we dont need qotd's here, IMO |
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| 21:53.48 | streuner | they arent helpful in a support channel... |
| 21:55.47 | jelly-home | !flw0 |
| 21:55.47 | dpkg | <wasabi> Gnea, I want no security. |
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| 21:57.27 | twobitsprite | lol |
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| 21:57.42 | dvs | install Windows! |
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| 22:02.10 | streuner | twobitsprite: in my experiences sometime nothing happens within 1-2 hours in #d, and then the hell goes on.... |
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| 22:05.58 | cheater15 | hi |
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| 22:06.05 | cheater15 | can an ext3 block be shared by multiple inodes? |
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| 22:07.27 | ryan-c | cheater15: It *can* but isn't allowed. |
| 22:07.32 | Calyp | nvmnd, reboot fixed it =P |
| 22:07.54 | ryan-c | e.g., stuff will break, and you'd have to hex edit the disk to make it happen |
| 22:07.55 | cesurasean | Hi, i have a server which only has 1 ethernet card and keeps jumping on, offline or something and my backups break. If I were to setup a 2nd network card on the same network, would that speed up transfer rates and keep this samba server online? |
| 22:08.00 | cheater15 | ryan-c, what does that mean? |
| 22:08.18 | ryan-c | cheater15: see what i just said |
| 22:08.28 | cheater15 | ryan-c, will my file system ever have that? or do you mean that a single block has enough space to fit inodes, but no ext3 system is built this way? |
| 22:09.03 | ryan-c | oh |
| 22:09.10 | ryan-c | you're talking about tail packing? |
| 22:09.13 | ryan-c | i think |
| 22:09.14 | cheater15 | no |
| 22:09.30 | cheater15 | i have a list of offsets into a partition.. i need to find out what files lie on those offsets |
| 22:09.38 | ryan-c | are you talking two inodes physically sharing data? |
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| 22:10.03 | cheater15 | i'm talking about the general case. nothing is specified other than the offsets, and the fact the partition is ext3. |
| 22:10.39 | cheater15 | currently i'm using debugfs icheck, but it seems ultra-slow and i'm not sure it's the best way |
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| 22:10.45 | ryan-c | cheater15: unless there is filesystem corruption then each block will only have data for one file |
| 22:10.54 | cheater15 | ok |
| 22:10.59 | cheater15 | that made sense, thanks |
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| 22:11.41 | cheater15 | ryan-c, how would you go about finding those files? |
| 22:11.45 | ryan-c | there is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_suballocation#Tail_packing but I'm pretty sure ext3 doesn't do that. |
| 22:11.52 | cheater15 | i have a feeling debugfs is simply not the best way to do this |
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| 22:12.00 | cheater15 | oh ok |
| 22:12.11 | ryan-c | cheater15: why are you trying to turn offsets into filenames? |
| 22:12.17 | cheater15 | yeah, that's the concept i was thinking of. but if ext3 doesn't do it, it's ok. |
| 22:12.41 | cheater15 | well, i've got a hard disk drive here that has got bad sectors.. i rescued all the data off it except for about 2 megabytes which is genuine bad sectors |
| 22:12.47 | ryan-c | cheater15: I originally thought you were asking if multiple files could physically share blocks of data |
| 22:12.58 | cheater15 | so i'm trying to figure out which files those are to repair the file system |
| 22:13.17 | ryan-c | you already imaged the disk, yes? |
| 22:13.44 | cheater15 | yeah |
| 22:13.57 | cheater15 | i used ddrescue, but it was crap so i had to build a wrapper around it that managed it |
| 22:14.05 | ryan-c | I don't supposed you imaged it to an LVM2 logical volume? |
| 22:14.18 | cheater15 | no |
| 22:14.20 | cheater15 | why? |
| 22:14.22 | cesurasean | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:14.30 | jelly-home | cheater15: ddrescue or dd_rescue? |
| 22:14.36 | ryan-c | cheater15: it makes things easier... |
| 22:14.36 | cheater15 | gnu ddrescue |
| 22:14.40 | jelly-home | ah |
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| 22:14.50 | ryan-c | cheater15: anyway, you want to make a copy of the data to do work on. |
| 22:14.52 | cheater15 | i tried dd_rescue first but quickly abandoned it |
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| 22:14.57 | cheater15 | ryan-c, yeah, i have |
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| 22:14.59 | jelly-home | oh |
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| 22:15.21 | cheater15 | i'm running debugfs on a copy of the partition (modulo these 2 MB that couldn't be copied off) |
| 22:15.29 | ryan-c | cheater15: so you have the data on the original device, the 'frozen' copy of that, and a working copy? |
| 22:15.39 | cheater15 | yes |
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| 22:16.02 | ryan-c | if you use lvm2 you can do snapshots which are really handy for making quick virtual copies of a filesystem |
| 22:16.08 | ryan-c | anyway |
| 22:16.22 | ryan-c | have you tried running fsck on it? |
| 22:16.45 | jelly-home | cesurasean: if you configured the cards and the switch in a bonding /port-channel setup, perhaps |
| 22:16.45 | ryan-c | might need to attach it to a loop device for that to work |
| 22:16.48 | cheater15 | i'm not going to run fsck on it until i'm done with recovering the data below the file system level |
| 22:17.04 | ryan-c | you should fsck a new copy |
| 22:17.17 | cheater15 | not sure what that'll give me |
| 22:17.32 | ryan-c | do you actually care what the filenames are? |
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| 22:17.35 | cheater15 | the next logical move is to find out what files have been corrupted |
| 22:17.36 | cheater15 | yes |
| 22:17.38 | cheater15 | it's crucial |
| 22:17.40 | ryan-c | okay |
| 22:18.20 | ryan-c | you realize that the directory entries that held that info may be gone? |
| 22:18.47 | cheater15 | well, it's only a few mb out of over 400 gb |
| 22:18.57 | ryan-c | sure |
| 22:18.58 | cheater15 | so i'm positive |
| 22:19.25 | cheater15 | didn't ext3 have backups of inode tables or something like that? |
| 22:19.34 | ryan-c | the directory inodes may be near the file inodes |
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| 22:19.45 | cheater15 | wouldn't be surprised there |
| 22:20.09 | ryan-c | and if i recall correctly those inodes are not backed up |
| 22:20.33 | cesurasean | jelly-home, what is a bonding /port-channel setup? |
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| 22:21.48 | cesurasean | do you guys think its the network card thats causing my backups to break, or is it the computer is running out of RAM and swapping that's causing the connection to break? |
| 22:21.53 | cheater15 | by the slowness of it, i think debugfs is actually just going through every inode and checking if it's on the block specified |
| 22:21.54 | jelly-home | cesurasean: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_bonding |
| 22:22.04 | ryan-c | cheater15: yeah, it only backs up the superblock |
| 22:22.22 | cheater15 | i wonder if it wouldn't be a good idea to write my own tool that somehow parses the ext3 metadata, and compares against all blocks i'm searching for |
| 22:22.25 | jelly-home | cesurasean: of it''s running out of ram and swapping, solve that first. |
| 22:22.30 | cheater15 | because otherwise it might be excruciatingly painful |
| 22:22.43 | ryan-c | I haven't used debugfs much |
| 22:22.46 | cesurasean | jelly-home, how do i know if it's swapping? |
| 22:23.09 | jelly-home | cesurasean: you just said it did? |
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| 22:24.07 | torrancew | cesurasean: "top" and "free" are good commands for checking on swap useage |
| 22:24.11 | jelly-home | cesurasean: install and use some sort of monitoring tool that tracks resources usage and draws pretty graphs |
| 22:24.25 | ryan-c | cheater15: usually when i do recovery i just do carving based on file headers |
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| 22:24.41 | ryan-c | cheater15: do you know what files *should* be there? |
| 22:25.09 | cheater15 | ryan-c, no idea. it's a linux system with billions of things on it. |
| 22:25.11 | jelly-home | cesurasean: atop logs memory usage in 10 minute snapshots if you prefer text output |
| 22:25.23 | ryan-c | cheater15: your data or someone else's? |
| 22:25.28 | cheater15 | mine |
| 22:26.06 | ryan-c | I forget what all debugfs will let you do |
| 22:26.45 | ryan-c | looks at the manpage |
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| 22:27.59 | cheater15 | ryan-c, i'm using the icheck command |
| 22:28.28 | cesurasean | so running "free", and watching swap as Im backing up to see if the memory usage goes down or something? |
| 22:28.36 | ryan-c | essentially what you want is a tool that will dump out all the filenames with a description of where they live on the disk |
| 22:28.53 | ryan-c | right? |
| 22:28.56 | cheater15 | not really.. way too many files |
| 22:29.03 | cheater15 | that would be overkill |
| 22:29.09 | ryan-c | i mean, you could grep out what you needed |
| 22:29.20 | ryan-c | i think such a tool is requsite |
| 22:29.30 | cheater15 | except the output would be 1PB big :) |
| 22:29.49 | cheater15 | but yeah, i guess something like this could work |
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| 22:31.05 | ryan-c | cheater15: you could also mount the fs readonly and then run find <mountpoint> -type d just to see if any directory entries are lost |
| 22:31.47 | cheater15 | what i think would really set me up is something that traverses the inode tree, and compares each inode to all the number blocks on my list |
| 22:31.56 | cheater15 | this would certainly be the fastest way to do this |
| 22:32.41 | ryan-c | cheater15: debugfs's bmap command is probably useful |
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| 22:33.24 | cheater15 | let's see |
| 22:33.31 | ryan-c | you could write a script that piped a bmap to debugfs for every file |
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| 22:34.45 | Resilience | I'm having trouble with epiphny, I started the browser, but lost my last session (it was fault of mine), is there any chance to recover it? I have some useful links there |
| 22:34.58 | ryan-c | icheck? |
| 22:35.07 | ryan-c | what os are you poking at it on? |
| 22:35.15 | Resilience | ryan-c, is tat me? |
| 22:35.16 | cesurasean | guys. it seems like my samba machine is constantly swapping. could that cause a network connection to be interrupted? if so, what is the best way to fix this? adding another stick of RAM? |
| 22:35.17 | cheater15 | isn't the logical block = physical block * lba block size / file system block size? |
| 22:35.27 | ryan-c | Resilience: no. |
| 22:35.32 | cheater15 | so in my case logical block = physcal block * 512 / 4096 |
| 22:35.42 | ryan-c | uh |
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| 22:35.43 | ryan-c | no |
| 22:35.51 | cheater15 | what are they then? |
| 22:36.12 | ryan-c | i *think* logical block is 0 indexed for the start of the file. logical block withing the scope of that file. |
| 22:36.14 | ryan-c | I *think* |
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| 22:36.44 | ryan-c | cheater15: yeah |
| 22:37.11 | ryan-c | hm |
| 22:37.13 | ryan-c | maybe not? |
| 22:37.35 | cheater15 | hm? |
| 22:38.19 | cesurasean | guys. it seems like my samba machine is constantly swapping. could that cause a network connection to be interrupted? if so, what is the best way to fix this? adding another stick of RAM? anyone think it could be something else that's causing samba to break connection during a huge 100gb transfer? |
| 22:38.24 | ryan-c | cheater15: look at dumpe2fs? |
| 22:38.35 | cheater15 | let me see |
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| 22:39.11 | ryan-c | actually no, dumpe2fs won't help |
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| 22:40.22 | ryan-c | cheater15: e2image looks helpful |
| 22:40.41 | cheater15 | but e2image just makes a copy, doesn't it? |
| 22:40.43 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: Large transfer over samba without adequate ram would definitely do that. |
| 22:41.04 | ryan-c | it only copies directory entries not file data |
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| 22:41.28 | cheater15 | hmmmm |
| 22:41.39 | cesurasean | jhutchins_lt, is there a way other than adding RAM to box to make samba work? |
| 22:41.42 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: Yes, more ram will help with the swapping. |
| 22:42.14 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: How much ram do you have? |
| 22:42.26 | cesurasean | 512 mb ddr |
| 22:42.39 | streuner | hm, not much, IMO |
| 22:42.40 | ryan-c | if you to e2image -r it'll make a sparse file |
| 22:42.44 | cesurasean | will adding another strick help with swapping? |
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| 22:43.10 | Wyzard | cesurasean: heavy swapping can cause high latency that can lead to things timing out, but it shouldn't cause connections to break other than by timeout |
| 22:43.41 | cesurasean | Wzyard, well, it is. my box is disconnecting at different times. NTCOPY for windows breaks... |
| 22:43.57 | cesurasean | will adding new ram help to fix this? that's what i need to know... |
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| 22:44.01 | cesurasean | will it help with swapping? |
| 22:44.26 | streuner | better RAM helps always (TM) :-P |
| 22:44.42 | cheater15 | cesurasean, maybe use ftp instead of samba. |
| 22:44.51 | cheater15 | ryan-c, i think it might be what i am looing for |
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| 22:45.09 | cesurasean | cheater15, what advantages does ftp have over samba? |
| 22:45.13 | cheater15 | ryan-c, i wonder what it looks like when i do it without -r... |
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| 22:45.37 | cheater15 | cesurasean, vastly improves performance. you can run ftp on a c64. |
| 22:45.55 | cesurasean | could NETBIOS be the problem with disconnecting? would using an ip address fix the problem with disconnecting, possibly? |
| 22:46.11 | cheater15 | cesurasean, samba is a POS |
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| 22:46.30 | cheater15 | save yourself the headache |
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| 22:46.37 | cesurasean | so doing ftp over samba will improve performance? |
| 22:46.46 | cesurasean | i mean using ftp instead of samba/> |
| 22:46.52 | lneely | samba is good for what it is, which is an imitation of a pos :) |
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| 22:46.58 | cesurasean | lol |
| 22:47.07 | Wyzard | cesurasean: Have you looked at the traffic with wireshark? Is there an actual disconnect (e.g. TCP FIN or RST) happening, and if so, does it occur while packets are flowing, or only while the transfer is stalled? |
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| 22:47.13 | cesurasean | ok, i will try more ram, using IP address, then possibly moving to ftp... |
| 22:47.15 | cheater15 | yes, but remove the samba server comletely. |
| 22:47.18 | cheater15 | +p |
| 22:47.24 | puff | Hm, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/fc8d9f92/ |
| 22:47.33 | cheater15 | ryan-c, do you know how the ext3 inode looks? |
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| 22:48.36 | Wyzard | cesurasean: Using an IP address instead of a name is unlikely to make a difference |
| 22:49.07 | Wyzard | cesurasean: Connections are always to an IP; when you use a name it looks up the IP automatically before connecting, but your problem occurs after that |
| 22:50.42 | Wyzard | cesurasean: Remember that FTP usage is different than samba usage -- you can upload and download whole files, but you can't "open" a file from an FTP server and do random access on it like you can with a samba server |
| 22:52.41 | cesurasean | thx for the help guys. ill try adding more ram and such... |
| 22:52.42 | cesurasean | peace |
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| 22:57.07 | puff | Hm... http://paste.debian.net/hidden/fc8d9f92/ |
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| 22:59.09 | themill | puff: you can't have more than one apache mpm installed -- it makes no sense to do so. |
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| 23:01.09 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Note that he only requested apache2, aptitude came up with both mpm's. |
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| 23:02.23 | themill | jhutchins_lt: php requests one, apache2 defaults to a different one, that conflict has to be resolved and is. |
| 23:02.45 | jhutchins_lt | Ah. |
| 23:03.23 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, you want prefork with php. |
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| 23:08.47 | PieRroT | boa noite |
| 23:09.13 | PieRroT | alguém já colocou o debian num server Proliant? |
| 23:09.41 | streuner | dpkg, br |
| 23:09.41 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 23:09.49 | puff | themill, thanks for explaining my problem. jhutchins_lt: thanks for explaining themill's explanation to me :-). |
| 23:09.57 | PieRroT | oops |
| 23:09.59 | PieRroT | sorry |
| 23:10.23 | themill | puff: :) |
| 23:10.39 | PieRroT | any body installed debian in a proliant server HP |
| 23:10.47 | Corey | PieRroT: Yes. |
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| 23:11.33 | PieRroT | Corey, it worked so well? |
| 23:12.00 | Corey | I'm using it to have this conversation with you, so presumably. :-) |
| 23:12.06 | PieRroT | ehehe |
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| 23:12.08 | PieRroT | goo |
| 23:12.10 | PieRroT | good |
| 23:12.45 | PieRroT | I'd like to install on it. It came with interprise redhat |
| 23:13.27 | PieRroT | I was afraid that could unrecognize some boardchips or something else |
| 23:13.53 | PieRroT | are U using Stable? |
| 23:14.11 | dvs | !u |
| 23:14.11 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 23:16.02 | streuner | PieRroT: sounds like a production server, doesnt it? |
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| 23:17.59 | jelly-home | PieRroT: which proliant? |
| 23:18.04 | Corey | PieRroT: Yes, I'm running stable. As long as you have media available with the non-free broadcom drivers you shoul dbe fine. |
| 23:18.40 | gridl0ck | hey, i have 2 Xeon servers running a mirror of each other - are there any docs/faq on how to automate the mirroring of the 2 servers? thanks |
| 23:18.50 | Corey | !pm |
| 23:18.50 | dpkg | i heard pm is private message, or post meridiem, or prime minister, or perl mongers, or pathetic moron: when you see someone say pm, they're asking if you think that they're a pathetic moron, or something you don't do without asking permission, or provocative {preventative} maintenance, or percussive maintenance, or ask me about <private> |
| 23:18.53 | gridl0ck | running Debian 6.x |
| 23:18.54 | PieRroT | ML 350G6 |
| 23:19.01 | jelly-home | rackmount proliants are well supported, esp. if they're not the lowend ones |
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| 23:20.01 | jelly-home | PieRroT: it's probably going to work well, esp. if it has hardware raid array (SmartArray) |
| 23:20.13 | hanasaki | is there any target timeframe for gnome3 support? |
| 23:20.20 | streuner | no |
| 23:20.27 | dvs | wheezy? |
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| 23:20.33 | streuner | in general |
| 23:21.07 | babilen | hanasaki: It is currently being worked on |
| 23:21.13 | babilen | !tell hanasaki -about gnome3 |
| 23:21.21 | streuner | nobody are able to say when gnome3 is in Debian (wheezy,sid) |
| 23:21.33 | babilen | hanasaki: But there are no deadlines to meet or anything like that. |
| 23:21.47 | hanasaki | thanks |
| 23:21.58 | PieRroT | <jelly-home>: yes its with AmartArray |
| 23:22.06 | hanasaki | I was hoping it would be in the latest ubuntu.. or mint.. but it seems to be nowhere |
| 23:22.18 | streuner | thats more interesting |
| 23:22.24 | hanasaki | and unity just doesn't seem to rock my boat |
| 23:22.36 | hanasaki | streuner: is it somepalce you know of? |
| 23:23.21 | babilen | hanasaki: Be patient -- packaging the new gnome is a lot of work. It'll take some time. (if it should be done correctly) |
| 23:23.28 | hanasaki | nor kde |
| 23:23.29 | babilen | hanasaki: It'll hit sid soonish |
| 23:23.36 | jelly-home | PieRroT: debian 6.0 installer ought to work. You might or might not need firmware-bnx2 package to make ethernet work, as Corey already mentioned |
| 23:23.39 | PieRroT | Corey: My Ethernet board are broadcom |
| 23:24.02 | jelly-home | !tell PieRroT about kmuto |
| 23:24.21 | hanasaki | babilen: thanks. SID is a bit too unstable for me.. :) Guess I stick to main debian |
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| 23:24.56 | PieRroT | It should be compiled on the kernel, or I can install it searching in another usb-media? |
| 23:24.57 | streuner | hanasaki: well, you have to wait till hell is frozen then ;-) |
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| 23:25.46 | babilen | hanasaki: Good idea. I wasn't recommending to upgrade to sid, don't misunderstand me. Just wanted to let you know that progress is being made. No idea when/if gnome3 becomes available in squeeze-backports |
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| 23:25.56 | streuner | hanasaki: i doubt there are any stable packages in stable soon.. |
| 23:26.08 | jelly-home | PieRroT: no need to compile anything. |
| 23:26.27 | hanasaki | tanks all |
| 23:26.28 | hanasaki | thanks |
| 23:26.40 | streuner | no worries |
| 23:26.51 | PieRroT | <jelly-home> Just modprobe the broadcom module? |
| 23:27.22 | jelly-home | PieRroT: I said you might need to install http://packages.debian.org/firmware-bnx2 before those would work. |
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| 23:27.44 | PieRroT | Ops |
| 23:27.56 | jelly-home | PieRroT: take note of which drivers are currently in use on RHEL |
| 23:28.24 | PieRroT | jelly-home: I'll do that |
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| 23:32.16 | dvs | or use the unofficial firmware CD |
| 23:32.43 | streuner | unofficial FW? |
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| 23:33.35 | streuner | dvs: sounds like *bunt* :-) |
| 23:33.39 | dvs | streuner: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
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| 23:33.46 | dvs | heh |
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| 23:34.20 | datakid | is there an easy way to tell which processes on a server are running inside a chroot |
| 23:34.20 | datakid | ? |
| 23:35.16 | PieRroT | jelly-home: thank you! |
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| 23:35.42 | PieRroT | Corey: thank you too! |
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| 23:36.28 | streuner | dvs: unofficial FW on a offical website, sounds interesting :-) |
| 23:37.02 | daemonkeeper | Its not as unofficial as one would imagine. |
| 23:37.06 | dvs | never tried it though |
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| 23:37.37 | daemonkeeper | Its just not advertised it exists. |
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| 23:38.12 | daemonkeeper | I use it regularly |
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| 23:39.25 | streuner | doesnt know what this BS means, but *bunt* is the source of this all crap |
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| 23:41.49 | Pikel | is there a way to tell apt/aptitude to ignore X related libs globally (unless absolutely necessary?) |
| 23:42.20 | streuner | that doesnt make any sense |
| 23:42.22 | g_ | hi could anyone suggest a nice small deb-based distro without all the games and crap, that'll be used just for web dev? |
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| 23:42.41 | daemonkeeper | Ehm, Debian? |
| 23:42.48 | d35p14r | lol |
| 23:42.49 | streuner | Pikel: what are you trying to do at all? |
| 23:43.03 | g_ | daemonkeeper: something smaller? |
| 23:43.08 | d35p14r | DML |
| 23:43.13 | d35p14r | DSL |
| 23:43.15 | daemonkeeper | ehm, Debian? |
| 23:43.28 | g_ | heh, i used to like dsl back in the day! |
| 23:43.34 | themill | g_: you only install the packages you want |
| 23:43.37 | daemonkeeper | Really. Debian is as small as you want, starting with 300M |
| 23:43.37 | d35p14r | it is damn small |
| 23:43.41 | Pikel | streuner: install things on my server without it becoming bloated by X and it's libs.... |
| 23:43.53 | g_ | themill: how? when i do an install i don't get a package choice? |
| 23:44.06 | daemonkeeper | Sure you get |
| 23:44.15 | themill | g_: at the "tasksel" stage, only install the "standard task". |
| 23:44.18 | daemonkeeper | Unless you vot otherwise you get a base install |
| 23:44.23 | g_ | ? |
| 23:44.28 | g_ | is this with a net install? |
| 23:44.33 | streuner | Pikel: Debian uses only driver if needed... |
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| 23:44.43 | daemonkeeper | No, but netinst works as well |
| 23:44.44 | themill | g_: the installer is identical on all media |
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| 23:45.14 | streuner | Pikel: if the system dont need a driver it wouldnt use it... |
| 23:45.20 | Pikel | streuner: ex: in gentoo you can do USE="-X", in FreeBSD you can do X="NO" and WITHOUT_X="TRUE", all of which limit or restrict that OS's ability to install X and it's related libs unless absolutely necessary |
| 23:45.21 | g_ | ok, i'll set up a vm and have a play |
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| 23:46.10 | daemonkeeper | Pikel: So? Unless you don't install something X related, you won't get it. |
| 23:46.21 | Pikel | 07:45:15 PM < streuner> Pikel: if the system dont need a driver it wouldnt use it... <-- is not true btw, you can install an nvidia video driver for example ona system that is running an ATI card ... it just won't work |
| 23:46.25 | Connor_ | http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001910758137&v=wall |
| 23:46.27 | Connor_ | I found the meaning of life |
| 23:46.28 | Connor_ | AND IT SUCKS |
| 23:46.33 | daemonkeeper | As said, Debian base install is 300M. Everything else is up to the user. |
| 23:47.00 | d35p14r | What, pray tell, is the meaning of life? |
| 23:47.14 | daemonkeeper | No, 42. |
| 23:47.18 | Pikel | daemonkeeper: someone went behind me and installed emacs w/o telling me, now I have X, twm and emacs on a headless server .... I need a way to restrict this foolishness in the future |
| 23:47.24 | lcafiero | Yeah, what daemonkeeper said |
| 23:47.45 | d35p14r | 42 is a cop out. |
| 23:48.02 | daemonkeeper | Pikel: Don't throw root shells to other people? |
| 23:48.35 | Pikel | daemonkeeper: not feasible in this situation |
| 23:48.36 | themill | d35p14r, Connor_: perhaps you wanted #defocus |
| 23:48.48 | streuner | Pikel: its very complicated how do you ask a question... |
| 23:49.15 | Connor_ | themill |
| 23:49.15 | streuner | Pikel: just tell us whats the *real* problem... |
| 23:49.18 | Connor_ | I clicked #debian for a reason |
| 23:49.44 | d35p14r | No, I am sure where I want to be. I was just making conversation about a statement made. |
| 23:49.52 | themill | Connor_: I'm struggling to understand how that is related to debian end-user support. |
| 23:50.08 | Connor_ | That person needs help with Debian if they tried to use Debian. |
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| 23:50.29 | themill | Connor_: perhaps you need a break from #debian for a while. |
| 23:50.31 | streuner | Pikel: Dont give him root access? |
| 23:50.53 | daemonkeeper | streuner: That's what I said and would be to straightforward for Pikel apparently. |
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| 23:51.10 | daemonkeeper | *too |
| 23:51.17 | streuner | sure, i just read it, sorry to rephrase it |
| 23:52.05 | daemonkeeper | I fail to understand, why one would disallow root to do, what root is supposed to do, though. |
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| 23:52.50 | g_ | thanks guys, i'll see what i can get it down to |
| 23:55.10 | streuner | daemonkeeper: omg, you are aggressive today :-) |
| 23:55.39 | daemonkeeper | I am? |
| 23:55.49 | streuner | well, i got that feeling |
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| 23:57.54 | Datz | Hi, I have a net install cd I was going to use to install debian on my laptop, but when I get to network section, it asks for some non-free drivers, and I could insert them via usb or other device |
| 23:58.10 | Datz | I think they are wireless drivers |
| 23:58.26 | Datz | Is there an image I can download that would include these? |
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| 23:58.39 | daemonkeeper | You are asked to insert a floppy / USB pen drive |
| 23:58.47 | dvs | Datz: you can install over a network unless the network is unencrypted or WEP |
| 23:58.49 | daemonkeeper | There are CD images including firmware as well |
| 23:59.14 | dvs | cannot |
| 23:59.17 | dvs | oops |
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| 23:59.46 | babilen | !tell Datz -about installer firmware |
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| 23:59.59 | babilen | !tell Datz -about firmware images |
