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| 00:00.08 | streuner | daemonkeeper: you are talking in #d-d as well... |
| 00:00.17 | Lobs | I need some advice about a very broken debian system that is failing to distupgrade due to libc6 version errors. |
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| 00:00.36 | babilen | Datz: But you can install that later on as well if you have a wired internet connection or other means to transfer files |
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| 00:01.25 | babilen | Lobs: What have you done? Please provide as much information as possible. |
| 00:01.29 | Datz | babilen: ah ok, I could just wire it up. |
| 00:01.41 | ssfdre38 | where is desktop-grub.sh at? |
| 00:01.46 | daemonkeeper | Datz: That might not necessarily help you, it is worth a try. |
| 00:02.09 | Lobs | babilen: someone did a `apt-get dist-upgrade` on it, that seemed to fail part way thu the install process (downloaded all packages just fine) |
| 00:02.11 | babilen | ssfdre38: what? |
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| 00:02.32 | Lobs | babilen: since then it just keeps giving dep errors for libc6 and g++ |
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| 00:03.02 | daemonkeeper | streuner: Are you going to tell me, I was aggressive in #d-d as well? |
| 00:03.09 | streuner | sure |
| 00:03.19 | ssfdre38 | the file desltop-grub.sh file im trying to mod the grub and i need to mod that file but its not in /usr/share/images/desktop-base |
| 00:03.37 | Datz | daemonkeeper: humm, I see |
| 00:03.41 | babilen | !tell ssfdre38 -about apt-file |
| 00:03.49 | Datz | babilen: also I have a 6.0 release net install cd |
| 00:03.51 | babilen | ssfdre38: What you are trying to do? |
| 00:03.55 | Datz | those links are for lenny |
| 00:04.03 | Datz | which is 5.0 if I am correct |
| 00:04.16 | babilen | Datz: Are they? I'll get that fixed, one second please |
| 00:04.32 | Datz | babilen: ah, np. So it should work on squeeze then too? |
| 00:04.34 | ssfdre38 | babilen: change the default settings cause im going to be making my os and im just debian as a prototype |
| 00:04.54 | babilen | Datz: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04 is squeeze fwiw |
| 00:05.04 | Datz | thanks |
| 00:05.14 | Datz | btw, only the first link is about lenny |
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| 00:05.27 | babilen | Datz: (from dpkg's factoid) |
| 00:05.32 | babilen | ah |
| 00:05.48 | Datz | yes |
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| 00:06.19 | Datz | babilen: but I should be able to install and then download needed firmware through the package manage? |
| 00:06.22 | Datz | manager* |
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| 00:07.02 | streuner | daemonkeeper: usually non DD acting like you ... |
| 00:07.07 | babilen | Datz: If you have a NIC that does not need firmware and ethernet around or other means to transfer files (usb stick for example) |
| 00:07.14 | ssfdre38 | babilen: do you get what im trying to do? |
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| 00:07.42 | babilen | Datz: Please have a look at the install guide -- The easiest way is probably just to download the firmware.tar.gz and put it on an USB stick or use the firmware images. |
| 00:07.43 | Datz | babilen: I think my Ethernet NIC is fine, just the wireless that needs drivers |
| 00:07.46 | daemonkeeper | streuner: I'm not entirely sure I understand what you are talking about? |
| 00:07.49 | babilen | ssfdre38: Not really, no |
| 00:07.52 | Datz | babilen: ah, ok |
| 00:08.17 | babilen | ssfdre38: You know about /etc/grub.d/40_custom ? |
| 00:08.30 | babilen | ssfdre38: And /etc/default/grub ? |
| 00:09.04 | ssfdre38 | babilen: im modding the grub and debian for a prototype for a os im working on and i need to mod the desktop-grub.sh to keep my mods on /boot/grub/grub.cfg1 |
| 00:09.24 | babilen | Datz: If your NIC is fine then there is nothing to worry about. Just listing the options. |
| 00:10.00 | daemonkeeper | streuner: If you do care, you may explain in a query or in #debian-offtopic, as we're disturbing other people here. |
| 00:10.06 | Lobs | babilen: http://pastebin.com/9Ea71fec |
| 00:12.05 | babilen | Lobs: Are you perhaps in the middle of the lenny â squeeze upgrade? |
| 00:12.44 | Lobs | babilen: no idea, it was a very old machine, not used for almost a year maybe? |
| 00:12.52 | Lobs | just updating it to latest stable |
| 00:13.02 | daemonkeeper | Do yo have "stable" in your sources.list? |
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| 00:13.46 | babilen | Lobs: Please tell us *exactly* what you did. You can't perform the lenny â squeeze upgrade in the way you are doing it now. |
| 00:14.09 | Lobs | daemonkeeper: yes |
| 00:14.19 | babilen | marvellous |
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| 00:14.54 | babilen | dpkg: tell Lobs -about lenny->squeeze |
| 00:14.55 | Lobs | babilen: someone else did an `apt-get dist-upgrade` on it, i came when they said it didnt work |
| 00:15.05 | babilen | fun ... |
| 00:15.31 | dvs | sneaks away |
| 00:15.54 | babilen | Lobs: Ok, not sure what the best way is to get out of this. The basic problem is that you have "stable" in your sources list and not the actual release name (lenny/squeeze) |
| 00:16.38 | babilen | Lobs: You could *try* to get back to lenny, or *try* to perform the upgrade to squeeze which has been forced on you and which has been performed in a, well, uninformed way |
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| 00:17.06 | servee | hi |
| 00:17.19 | babilen | Lobs: The upgrade process is detailed in the release notes and you should have received a private message from dpkg that summarises it (but skips a *lot* of details) |
| 00:17.19 | servee | I've a problem with debian :( |
| 00:17.25 | Lobs | babilen: do just s/stable/lenny/g ? |
| 00:17.40 | servee | I cannot install it. It shows some partition that do not exist |
| 00:17.47 | babilen | Lobs: Given that this box wasn't used for a year, would it be an idea to just install squeeze from scratch? |
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| 00:18.09 | Lobs | babilen: there are some things on there that are needed, |
| 00:18.29 | Lobs | babilen: the dist-upgrade was only done when a kernel module for a card thats in it wouldnt compile, |
| 00:18.44 | Lobs | babilen: the guy who was doing it was thinking that would fix it. |
| 00:18.48 | babilen | Lobs: That is definitely a good idea, the problematic aspect of that is that you probably have a few squeeze packages already and depending on which packages that are it might be a lot of work/impossible to downgrade |
| 00:18.55 | servee | I checked it in Partition Magic and Acronis DiskDirector and Windows7 Harddiskmanager.. it says I have a 100mb boot partition, 273GB NTFS(Win7) and 24GB Empty partition |
| 00:19.17 | Lobs | babilen: i might try the "downgrade" option and if that fails try to backup what i can and re install. |
| 00:19.28 | babilen | !tell Lobs -about list repositories |
| 00:19.49 | Lobs | babilen: thanks. |
| 00:19.55 | Joelito | hi people, question: how can I use my cursor theme as default in the wide system |
| 00:19.56 | babilen | Lobs: Could you run that one-liner but pipe it through "grep squeeze" |
| 00:20.10 | servee | But Debian shows me that it fnids an EFI Boot partition primary and OSX SL partition... but I don't have those partitions!? I am really confused |
| 00:20.38 | servee | I don't want to just say erase all.. and loose my data |
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| 00:21.15 | babilen | Lobs: And if it wasn't clear: DO NOT perform the dist upgrade in that way :) |
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| 00:21.28 | babilen | Lobs: What is coming up? |
| 00:21.38 | Lobs | which way, the apt-get or aptitude? |
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| 00:21.42 | babilen | Lobs: Also "dpkg -l libc6|tail -1" ? |
| 00:22.30 | Lobs | babilen: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 00:22.39 | babilen | Lobs: apt-get is recommended for the upgrade, but just don't accept the "solution" offered or perform a "dist-upgrade" or "full-upgrade" -- It doesn't work for lennysâsqueeze in that way |
| 00:23.10 | babilen | o_O |
| 00:23.30 | babilen | Lobs: cat /etc/debian_version ; uname -a |
| 00:23.45 | servee | oh man please help me :( I've never ever seen that weird partitioning screen in debian |
| 00:24.02 | servee | usually it detects the partitions correctly |
| 00:24.05 | Lobs | babilen: that previous command you said to |grep squeeze from only gave the following.. "tzdata: 2011c-0squeeze1 http://ftp.nz.debian.org stable/main" |
| 00:24.20 | babilen | Lobs: only that? |
| 00:24.30 | Lobs | only that |
| 00:24.33 | babilen | Lobs: That machine you have there is *ancient* ... |
| 00:24.42 | Lobs | other command gives 2 lines, first is just 4.0 |
| 00:24.45 | babilen | Lobs: Could you run the "cat ..." command too? |
| 00:24.55 | Lobs | second says Linux DVR01 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Wed May 9 23:03:12 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 00:25.23 | Lobs | i did say it was an old machine ;-) |
| 00:25.23 | babilen | Lobs: Ok, so you don't have lenny but etch :) |
| 00:25.38 | servee | would a photo of the screen help?? |
| 00:25.56 | babilen | Lobs: Ok, either perform an etchâlennyâsqueeze upgrade or just install squeeze from scratch |
| 00:26.14 | babilen | dpkg: tell Lobs -about etch->lenny |
| 00:26.25 | Lobs | babilen: should i try to update to latest (if such exists) etch, then go to lenny -> squeeze etc? |
| 00:26.31 | babilen | Lobs: it is even more horrible to skip releases :) |
| 00:26.43 | Lobs | update/downgrade/sidegrade |
| 00:27.04 | kalyplato | hello all. is there a way to periodically remove ssh ip logs from a server ? |
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| 00:27.10 | Lobs | goes off to s/stable/etch/g |
| 00:27.22 | babilen | Lobs: you want to perform a clean upgrade to lenny followed by a clean upgrade to squeeze. Make sure that etch is updated completely before you attempt the upgrade to etch |
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| 00:27.31 | babilen | !tell Lobs about etch sources.list |
| 00:27.57 | Lobs | LOL! |
| 00:28.03 | Lobs | my mirror no longer has etch! |
| 00:28.38 | babilen | Lobs: Exactly! What kind of services are running on that machine? Would it really be less work to get them running on squeeze installed from scratch than transitioning/porting all the configuration over two releases? |
| 00:29.02 | babilen | Lobs: yes, see the private message from dpkg -- I asked it to tell you about the etch sources.list |
| 00:29.45 | babilen | Lobs: And what did we learn today? (hint: "stable" in sources.list == bad idea) |
| 00:29.47 | Lobs | babilen: it has some video decoder cards in it, is used in a tv studio. (is the backup machine, the one that was there "blew up" (nice smoke and electric death smell) |
| 00:30.16 | Lobs | babilen: do you know how long ago i last looked at the sources list (if i even did) on that machine since today? ;-) |
| 00:30.34 | babilen | Lobs: yeah, I meant software-wise. I don't ask you to dump the box, but suggest to install squeeze from scratch and configure it. |
| 00:30.47 | babilen | Lobs: I have no fucking clue :) |
| 00:31.19 | Lobs | babilen: modules for the decoder cards plus various scripts to make them output different things, grab stuff for titles and alpha data for overlays etc etc |
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| 00:31.51 | babilen | Given your previous statement I would assume somewhere between 2007 and 2010 ;) |
| 00:31.53 | Lobs | babilen: not too keen to try and rebuild from scratch as it has been so long since it was actually built, (is the old "dont fix it if it aint broke" thing |
| 00:32.15 | babilen | Lobs: yeah, but can't you backup them and just copy them over to the new installation? |
| 00:32.28 | Lobs | when the particular system it drives becomes HD it will become redundant, but there is no budget for that side of the studio to go HD atm. |
| 00:32.34 | babilen | It is borkedy borked :) |
| 00:32.47 | babilen | s/:)/:( |
| 00:33.10 | Lobs | babilen: they are kind of splatterd in the system (someone put things in roots home, some things installed to /usr/local/src, some things symlinked from other places (a mess) |
| 00:33.29 | babilen | Lobs: Ok, just trying to recommend something that means minimal amount of work for you |
| 00:33.37 | Lobs | i'll just try to " |
| 00:33.50 | Lobs | sidegrade" it and get it "working" as best i can for now. |
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| 00:33.56 | Lobs | it needs to go on air in ~ 3 hours time. |
| 00:34.01 | babilen | ugh |
| 00:34.05 | babilen | really? |
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| 00:34.14 | babilen | production machine? |
| 00:34.15 | dvs | goooooooooood luck |
| 00:34.27 | Lobs | as i said the main machine "blew up" |
| 00:34.38 | Lobs | so this one has been dusted out to try to replace it for now. |
| 00:35.01 | Lobs | the HDD, one of the decoder cards and CPU and ram on the old machine is toast, so i cant even just do a HDD swap. |
| 00:35.05 | babilen | gah, ok. I guess you've added the etch sources to your sources.list by now? |
| 00:35.12 | Lobs | yah |
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| 00:35.39 | Lobs | other thing i have to be carful of with this machine is it's small HDD, has only ~600mb free space :-/ |
| 00:35.45 | babilen | Lobs: Ok, could you run "apt-cache policy" and "aptitude search ~o" and paste the output? also run the one liner from before again and grep for lenny |
| 00:36.03 | babilen | Lobs: Paste that to http://paste.debian.net |
| 00:36.08 | Lobs | just doing an apt-get update atm, will that matter? |
| 00:36.15 | babilen | wait please |
| 00:36.20 | babilen | ah, update is fine |
| 00:36.32 | Lobs | update is done |
| 00:37.05 | Lobs | looks like that apt-cache command is looking at the etch stuff now. |
| 00:37.22 | babilen | wonderful |
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| 00:37.44 | Lobs | i'll try an apt-get upgrade now and cross fingers not much breaks. |
| 00:38.04 | babilen | no |
| 00:38.07 | Lobs | no? |
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| 00:38.35 | babilen | paste the output i asked about earlier -- if you want you can throw the suggested action from apt-get upgrade into the pastebin (don't accept it yet) |
| 00:38.48 | Lobs | teh apt-cache? |
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| 00:39.18 | babilen | < babilen > Lobs: Ok, could you run "apt-cache policy" and "aptitude search ~o" and paste the output? also run the one liner from before again and grep for lenny |
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| 00:39.51 | babilen | all that ^^^ + "aptitude upgrade -s" |
| 00:40.37 | Lobs | http://pastebin.com/w3XtuFBY |
| 00:40.43 | babilen | cheers |
| 00:41.03 | babilen | http://paste.debian.net please -- not in the mood to type captchas :) |
| 00:41.17 | babilen | (ok, but for next time) |
| 00:41.47 | stew | sometimes you are in the mood? |
| 00:41.53 | Lobs | http://paste.debian.net/116130/ |
| 00:41.54 | babilen | "aptitude search ~o ; aptitude -s upgrade" + the oneliner from before but grep for lenny |
| 00:42.05 | babilen | stew: hehe, no :-D |
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| 00:42.34 | Lobs | the grep for lenny one has no results |
| 00:42.42 | babilen | argh, old aptitude is old :) |
| 00:43.01 | Lobs | i suspect the aptitude search command i am seeing wrong here? |
| 00:43.21 | babilen | Lobs: What are the suggested actions when you try to upgrade? |
| 00:43.34 | Lobs | using aptitude -s upgrade ? |
| 00:43.41 | babilen | Lobs: yeah, old aptitude version that did not support that search term :-\ |
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| 00:44.12 | babilen | Lobs: If you've used apt-get on that machine until now stick with it. |
| 00:44.38 | Lobs | it has porobably had both used to be honest, |
| 00:44.44 | babilen | heh |
| 00:45.18 | Lobs | http://paste.debian.net/116131/ <--- that is the aptitude -s upgrade |
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| 00:46.50 | babilen | Lobs: Remove all except locales and downgrade locales to the version in etch (download it manually and install it with dpkg -i) |
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| 00:47.35 | Lobs | what do you mean by "remove all" ? |
| 00:48.46 | babilen | Lobs: remove all those packages except locales (i.e. libc-dev-bin, libc6-dev and binutils) purge them! |
| 00:48.59 | babilen | burn them with fire :) |
| 00:49.09 | streuner | hehe |
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| 00:49.26 | Lobs | that wont cause the system to not work? |
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| 00:49.41 | Lobs | bah boss is yelling for me. |
| 00:49.46 | Lobs | goes off to suffer the pain |
| 00:50.01 | dvs | o_O |
| 00:50.08 | babilen | Lobs: not a single of those packages is essential, important or even standard (all optional) |
| 00:50.39 | babilen | Lobs: Stay, you are almost done and you can be the hero of the day for fixing it so fast |
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| 01:17.08 | Lobs | babilen: have had to setup a bunch of backup VTR machines to do it manually just incase, |
| 01:17.15 | Lobs | i can only spare another 10 mins on this now... |
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| 01:20.07 | un214 | personally I'd expect none |
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| 01:20.07 | dvs | Lobs: I guess you have to purge those packages |
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| 01:20.48 | un214 | that's a lot of timeouts on the same second |
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| 01:24.55 | cesurasean | Hi guys. How much speed increase would I get out of a box if I add more network cards to it and bind them together? |
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| 01:28.24 | un214 | I really do suspect none at all |
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| 01:28.52 | jmarsden | cesurasean: If you have very carefully benchmarked it, and know the bottleneck in your situation is network bandwidth, in theory you could get N times the network bandwidth from N cards. How much speed increase? How long is a piece of string? :) |
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| 01:29.44 | un214 | jmardsen: About 6 months with average wear and tear. After that it decomposes into lint, which is forever. Now 6 months =~ 183 days * 24 hours/day * 60 mins/hour * 60 secs/min * 300,000,000 meters/sec * 39 inches/meter = about 2*10e17 inches. But the width varies. |
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| 02:09.58 | linuxman410 | what is the kernel version in debian 6 |
| 02:10.35 | dvs | 2.6.32-5 |
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| 02:11.10 | linuxman410 | thanks |
| 02:11.17 | dvs | np |
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| 02:13.23 | mnajem | hi all |
| 02:13.51 | mnajem | how to get kamoso in debian, i'm using testing now .. seems it's only avail in ubuntu, not even gentoo/opensuse |
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| 02:15.11 | un214 | as a last resort: apt-get build-essential, download source, and compile |
| 02:15.34 | un214 | the master source should provide a list of depends |
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| 02:15.36 | babilen | mnajem: download, compile install to /usr/local -- /msg dpkg stow -- /msg dpkg stow usage -- as an alternative |
| 02:16.16 | babilen | mnajem: btw, make that "aptitude install build-essential" or "apt-get build-essential" |
| 02:16.47 | mnajem | babilen, thanks |
| 02:17.37 | babilen | mnajem: no idea what kind of dependencies that program might have and how easy it is to satisfy them |
| 02:17.57 | un214 | the providing site should list |
| 02:18.09 | un214 | you will need apt-get install <dependency>-dev |
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| 02:20.03 | mnajem | the website is incomplete, the software is useful, perhaps the best for me |
| 02:20.23 | mnajem | but the software rather seems abandoned - seems not updated a year |
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| 02:20.41 | kgoetz | grab ubuntus source package and try to rebuild it |
| 02:20.48 | kgoetz | per a !ssb |
| 02:21.07 | un214 | good point |
| 02:21.12 | un214 | the package should list the depends |
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| 02:21.50 | mnajem | kgoetz, any hint how to do that? |
| 02:22.11 | Opesa | Hello. I used mini.iso and USB to make a bootable debian installation...I am installing on a Pentium 4 and during the process on ANY step the cpu randomly restarts. Why is it so? |
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| 02:22.28 | kgoetz | dpkg: ssb |
| 02:22.28 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 02:22.37 | kgoetz | not as helpful as i hoped |
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| 02:23.27 | un214 | in this case replace sid with ubuntu |
| 02:23.49 | kgoetz | un214: good point |
| 02:23.59 | kgoetz | mnajem: as un214 has said |
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| 02:25.00 | un214 | probably a little nicer than what I do: overwrite the files in /usr/bin or /usr/lib |
| 02:25.17 | un214 | (I assume the next pull will have what I want) |
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| 02:26.44 | mnajem | thanks |
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| 02:28.10 | red2kic | How do I remove evolution? It wanted to remove gnome-core. :P |
| 02:28.23 | cusco | gnome-core is a metapackage |
| 02:28.29 | cusco | you can remove it don't worry |
| 02:28.36 | cusco | (evolution) |
| 02:29.17 | kgoetz | red2kic: any reason you need to remove evolution rather then just ignoring it? |
| 02:29.19 | hiexpo | hola all |
| 02:29.56 | un214 | most metapackages should recommend most of their contents rather than depend |
| 02:30.12 | red2kic | kgoetz: New to Debian. I have been reading wiki. I used gnome-core to install mininalism gnome -- also, I don't need evolution. I know evolution-data-server can't be removed (but evolution can). |
| 02:30.31 | red2kic | kgoetz: Simply put, I have no use for it. :o |
| 02:30.33 | babilen | red2kic: gnome-core is not minimal gnome, you are looking for gnome-session |
| 02:30.42 | dspace | un214: exactly |
| 02:30.52 | kgoetz | red2kic: seems a bit pointless to remove a 5mb package, but sure, go forit |
| 02:31.13 | red2kic | babilen: http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 02:31.20 | un214 | I never install metapackages other than base |
| 02:31.22 | dspace | There should be something like a --keep flag that keeps a metapackage when you remove a dependency. |
| 02:31.39 | red2kic | babilen: The part with *This is a minimalist gnome installation* |
| 02:31.50 | babilen | red2kic: outdated information |
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| 02:31.58 | dspace | Because sometimes you want a bunch of packages *except* one or two, so installing the metapackage and then removing the exceptions is the most efficient way to do it |
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| 02:32.46 | Datz | babilen: does dpkg have a link for how I should install my wireless firmware after I installed the base system? |
| 02:32.50 | red2kic | This does not seems right (it does not said remove gnome-core) -- but rather 97 to remove. |
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| 02:33.36 | babilen | Datz: probably -- depends on the wifi adaptor in question (lspci -nn|grep -i network) |
| 02:33.55 | Datz | kk, thx |
| 02:34.08 | babilen | red2kic: Install gnome-session, and "aptitude unmarkauto" other packages you want to keep. Or just don't bother :) |
| 02:34.13 | red2kic | Datz: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 02:34.23 | un214 | there is: dpkg --force --ignore-depends=evolution remove evolution |
| 02:34.25 | dclarke | noobish_question : I find that disk IO is chewing up my machine here and all other apps and even Xorg get sluggish. This machine has dual SATA controllers and disks on separate sata channels but I still get sluggish response. Is there a simple solution ? |
| 02:34.29 | un214 | dspace: ^^ |
| 02:34.33 | Datz | thanks guys |
| 02:34.42 | babilen | un214: that is just wrong |
| 02:34.46 | onryo | is there any sane way of installing Blender 2.57 on my Squeeze. A backport or something. I need to follow the bleeding edge of this one program. |
| 02:34.56 | karlpinc_ | !ssb |
| 02:34.56 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 02:35.02 | un214 | babilen: so is metapackage depending on stuff like that |
| 02:35.06 | red2kic | babilen: Too late. What is different between gnome-core & gnome-session (and oh why isn't anyone updating the outdated wifi) :P |
| 02:35.15 | karlpinc_ | onryo: or uuupdate. see the factoid. |
| 02:35.20 | babilen | un214: file a bug, talking here won't help |
| 02:35.27 | dclarke | dpkg: performance monitor |
| 02:35.27 | dpkg | dclarke: i haven't a clue |
| 02:35.32 | dspace | I also like to remove evolution, but I've been having to install gnome-session gnome-panel metacity gnome-themes, etc individually. That's just dumb. I just want gnome-core without 2 or 3 packages |
| 02:35.48 | dclarke | dspace: try twm ? |
| 02:35.58 | un214 | the other option is to make a dummied-up package, install it, and pin it |
| 02:36.34 | karlpinc_ | !tell dclarke about dpkgbot |
| 02:37.25 | hiexpo | !tell hiexpo about firefox |
| 02:37.35 | dclarke | thank you |
| 02:37.48 | Datz | babilen: 0b:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection [8086:4222] (rev 02) |
| 02:37.49 | babilen | red2kic: go ahead and update it -- http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/01/msg01164.html |
| 02:37.49 | karlpinc_ | !msg the bot |
| 02:37.49 | dpkg | Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . If you're helping people, you can check that you have the right factoid before showing it to others. |
| 02:38.05 | dclarke | wow .. I just got told off |
| 02:38.14 | dclarke | sees 02:37 <dpkg> I wish you would RTFM., dclarke |
| 02:38.28 | babilen | Datz: You want to install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 02:38.29 | karlpinc_ | dclarke: Nope. That was fyi hiexpo. Oh. |
| 02:38.42 | Datz | babilen: ah, great. I'll look for that package :) |
| 02:38.53 | babilen | !tell Datz -about contrib |
| 02:38.57 | babilen | !tell Datz -about non-free |
| 02:38.57 | karlpinc_ | dclarke: It says various stuff when it's confused. |
| 02:38.59 | dclarke | nm .. I'll just keep running atop and go away quietly |
| 02:39.15 | dclarke | slinks away feeling stuuupid |
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| 02:39.26 | un214 | that's ok I've been known to type dpkg install or dpkg remove into this channel |
| 02:40.00 | dclarke | ever type rm -rf * into irc and then miss it and have it drop onto a real xterm ? |
| 02:40.08 | karlpinc_ | Datz: You sound new. The <overview> factoid might be helpful. |
| 02:40.14 | karlpinc_ | !tell Datz about overview |
| 02:40.17 | un214 | dclarke: don't do that |
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| 02:40.30 | dclarke | yeah .. talk about karma biting ones own butt |
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| 02:41.11 | hiexpo | yep yep |
| 02:41.26 | Datz | babilen: do I need to add some repo? |
| 02:41.49 | babilen | Datz: yes, you need to enable non-free |
| 02:43.12 | Datz | ah, /me checks dpkg messages |
| 02:43.15 | babilen | Datz: See the message(s) from dpkg -- after you've done that run "aptitude update ; aptitude install firmware-linux-nonfree ; modprobe -r iwl3945 ; modprobe iwl3945 ; dmesg | tail -13" and behold the loading of firmware |
| 02:44.03 | Datz | thanks a bunch babilen |
| 02:44.07 | babilen | yw |
| 02:44.23 | babilen | Datz: It is not actually needed to run that as one command :) |
| 02:44.48 | Datz | humm |
| 02:45.05 | Datz | !tell datz -about non-free sources |
| 02:45.30 | babilen | Datz: /msg dpkg non-free sources (or just mention it in the chat window with dpkg) |
| 02:45.37 | ectospasm | !tell Datz about selftell |
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| 02:46.12 | Datz | humm, gotya |
| 02:46.15 | anima- | argh @ these tools on kijiji. if its not in a rack its not a server |
| 02:46.22 | Lobs | dvs: libc6 seems to be required by a lot of things and wont purge ;-) |
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| 02:47.14 | red2kic | babilen: Okay. I'm trying to understand. "aptitude purge evolution" --> 97 packages, gnome-screensaver, themes, gedit, evince, file-roller, etc etc. -- Should I go ahead and remove them, then install few packages manually (as mentioned recently)? |
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| 02:48.23 | babilen | red2kic: That is not what I suggested. My suggestion was to install the gnome-session package (aptitude install gnome-session), run "aptitude unmarkauto PKG1 PKG2 ... PKGN" for all packages you want to keep and *then* remove evolution. |
| 02:48.39 | Datz | babilen: my debian install is having trouble resolving the mirrors when I use aptitude |
| 02:48.58 | babilen | red2kic: Note that you probably want to aim for packages high in the dependency tree |
| 02:49.16 | babilen | Datz: network working? |
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| 02:49.31 | red2kic | babilen: gnome-session was already installed (since gnome-core). I have to explicity "unmarkauto" every package? |
| 02:49.33 | Datz | well, I've ssh'ed into the box |
| 02:49.59 | Datz | babilen: and I'm able to ping google.com |
| 02:50.03 | babilen | red2kic: all packages you want to keep, yes |
| 02:50.37 | red2kic | babilen: Ah. I see it. Tried it. Few packages off. |
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| 02:50.59 | babilen | Datz: What is the problem? |
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| 02:51.14 | red2kic | babilen: How can I remove gnome-core without other packages? |
| 02:51.18 | Datz | babilen: Err http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/main emacs23-common all 23.2+1-7 |
| 02:51.20 | red2kic | Since it's a metapackage. |
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| 02:51.31 | Datz | it tires a few mirrors, then gives up |
| 02:51.43 | babilen | Datz: You don't need emacs ;) |
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| 02:51.59 | Datz | I guess I only need food and sleep.. butt.. :P |
| 02:52.03 | Datz | but* |
| 02:52.13 | babilen | red2kic: What are you trying to achieve? |
| 02:52.25 | Datz | I guess I'll edit /etc/sources with nano for now |
| 02:52.47 | Datz | or wherever it is |
| 02:52.58 | red2kic | babilen: Okay. An example. I just tried to remove evince -- it whined about gnome-core again, then 60 more packages. I guess I ought to remove all packages then install as I go? |
| 02:53.01 | babilen | Datz: Is it just aptitude? |
| 02:53.27 | red2kic | babilen: Lot of python- packages (so I don't really know which to keep and which to remove). |
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| 02:53.45 | babilen | red2kic: You could mark all reverse dependencies of gnome-core as manually install -- aptitude unmarkauto '~R^gnome-core |
| 02:53.46 | red2kic | And bunch of lib* too |
| 02:53.56 | Datz | babilen: I don't know |
| 02:54.09 | babilen | red2kic: Or just don't care about it. I don't know what you want and can't tell you what you should want to do |
| 02:54.17 | Datz | babilen: also /etc/apt/sources has nothing commented out except for the cdrom |
| 02:54.39 | babilen | Datz: can you ping the mirror? Can you try a different mirror as well, please? |
| 02:55.03 | red2kic | babilen: Just wanted to get rid of gnome-core in first place. I think you gave me the command for that recently. |
| 02:55.38 | babilen | red2kic: make that aptitude unmarkauto '~R^gnome-core' btw |
| 02:56.04 | babilen | red2kic: I don't quite see why you want to get rid of it, but if that is what you want, then go ahead |
| 02:56.07 | red2kic | babilen: Yes. I detected the typo. Thank you very much. |
| 02:56.59 | babilen | red2kic: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html (package aptitude-doc) |
| 02:57.05 | Datz | babilen: I just changed the nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf to googles, instead of local |
| 02:57.24 | Datz | babilen: now it's a working |
| 02:57.39 | babilen | you should get a better local resolver :) |
| 02:58.04 | Datz | babilen: but back to the other issue. There is nothing "non-free" to uncomment in /etc/apt/sources |
| 02:58.15 | Datz | babilen: should I? Or will this work ok? |
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| 02:58.28 | Datz | babilen: I won't run into problems from place to place? |
| 02:58.30 | babilen | Datz: it is fine |
| 02:58.33 | Datz | ok |
| 02:59.00 | Datz | I was wondering, since it's a laptop.. It had 192.168.2.1 as the nameserver in resolv.conf |
| 02:59.08 | Datz | if it would work on other networks |
| 02:59.17 | babilen | Ah, how do you connect to the internet? |
| 02:59.29 | Datz | should be wireless mainly |
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| 02:59.43 | Datz | I want to get the non-free wireless firmware |
| 02:59.45 | babilen | 192.168.2.1 is probably just your local router |
| 02:59.52 | Datz | yes, it is |
| 03:00.12 | Datz | I guess googles nameserver should work alright in general |
| 03:00.15 | babilen | yes, install it :) |
| 03:00.34 | Datz | I'm not sure how to add the non-free repo |
| 03:00.42 | babilen | Datz: Yes, but note that /etc/resolv.conf might get overwritten by dhclient/network-manager/wicd/... |
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| 03:00.48 | Datz | ah |
| 03:00.57 | Datz | that's fine as long as everything works |
| 03:01.15 | babilen | Datz: Just edit your sources.list and when you see a "main" at the end of a line make that "main contrib non-free" |
| 03:01.29 | Datz | ah |
| 03:01.37 | babilen | Datz: run the command i gave earlier |
| 03:01.42 | Datz | ok, thanks |
| 03:01.46 | Datz | I'll try that |
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| 03:04.02 | Datz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.08 | Datz | er yea |
| 03:04.15 | Datz | I's doin it |
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| 03:04.25 | un214 | Datz, babilen: you can pin /etc/resolv.conf with chattr +i if you have to. I had to do it ages ago |
| 03:04.40 | babilen | un214: ugh |
| 03:04.50 | un214 | when DHCP was feeding me a bad DNS server |
| 03:05.02 | Datz | humm |
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| 03:05.31 | Datz | babilen: ok, ran that command.. and sometime gnomes wireless network manager should start working? |
| 03:07.39 | babilen | Datz: why should it? |
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| 03:09.05 | Datz | babilen: d'oh |
| 03:09.16 | Datz | babilen: because I'd like it to? |
| 03:10.51 | babilen | Datz: (jest) -- Run "aptitude dowhatimean gargelblast ; configure_everything --adjust-to-dreams --read-mind" |
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| 03:11.11 | babilen | !network-manager |
| 03:11.11 | dpkg | NetworkManager is a network management framework daemon. See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian for setup instructions and ask me about <nm squeeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager http://live.gnome.org/DarrenAlbers/NetworkManagerFAQ http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/ #nm on irc.freenode.net. See also <wireless connection managers>. |
| 03:11.13 | Datz | command not found |
| 03:11.16 | Datz | :p |
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| 03:13.54 | alex-johnson | Can I play a wav file and have that output redirected to my webcam (ALSA device hw 1,0)? |
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| 03:14.51 | un214 | doesn't catting it to /dev/dsp work on wav? |
| 03:16.07 | alex-johnson | un214: i'm getting a permission denied error even with sudo |
| 03:16.15 | un214 | huh |
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| 03:18.36 | simonlnu | try checking that it has write permissions... |
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| 03:19.37 | alex-johnson | simonlnu: it's weird, i don't even see it in /dev |
| 03:20.05 | simonlnu | dsp is for old oss stuff anyway. you want a device in /dev/snd |
| 03:20.52 | WormFood | what would be the benefit of running a 32-bit Linux install, with a 64-bit kernel, if you have less than 3 gig of ram? I understand the benefit, if I have 8 gig of ram, but what about 3-4 gig of ram or less, is there a benefit? |
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| 03:21.40 | simonlnu | probably less overhead |
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| 03:22.08 | WormFood | less overhead for what? |
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| 03:22.39 | WormFood | I'd expect there to be slightly more overhead with a 64-bit kernel, being as some of the data structures will now be 64-bit instead of 32-bit |
| 03:23.34 | Nomad | silly question, is there another option besides Adobe Flash? Trying to keep my OS Free as possible :-) |
| 03:23.58 | WormFood | Nomad, depends on what you want to do with Flash. |
| 03:23.58 | Datz | babilen: I've read the network-manager readme, didn't explain as much as I'd hoped. running ifconfig I see nothing like wlan0 |
| 03:24.22 | WormFood | Datz, do you see other ethX devices, that would correspond to your wireless nic? |
| 03:24.25 | Nomad | Wormfood: just want to see YouTube vids |
| 03:24.34 | simonlnu | yes but not for the binaries |
| 03:24.38 | Datz | WormFood: no |
| 03:24.40 | WormFood | Nomad, yes, you do have an alternative to Adobe Flash |
| 03:24.51 | WormFood | Datz, do you have the proper module loaded for your wireless nic? |
| 03:24.52 | Datz | WormFood: only eth0 and lo |
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| 03:25.00 | Datz | WormFood: I thought so |
| 03:25.23 | Datz | babilen: let me through a couple steps, I'm not sure it it worked |
| 03:25.26 | WormFood | Datz, what is the interface for your nic? pci? usb? pcmcia? what? |
| 03:25.52 | Datz | I'd guess either pci or pcmcia. it is a laptop |
| 03:26.04 | simonlnu | (semi-educated guess) |
| 03:26.21 | Datz | :P |
| 03:26.33 | WormFood | with the emphasis on the "semi" part :P |
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| 03:26.42 | Datz | it seems to be pci |
| 03:26.47 | simonlnu | WormFood: talking about your question |
| 03:26.51 | WormFood | if it is internal, then it would almost guaranteed to be pci |
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| 03:27.47 | WormFood | pcmcia would be hanging out a slot in the computer, and many modern laptops don't even support old style PCMCIA anymore |
| 03:27.57 | hanasaki | what is the slimest install that can be had for a USB bootable system? |
| 03:28.02 | WormFood | PCMCIA = People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms ;) |
| 03:28.10 | Datz | WormFood: ah |
| 03:28.12 | Datz | lol |
| 03:28.20 | WormFood | hanasaki, a kernel running "true" as init? |
| 03:28.22 | Nomad | cool what is it? Using IceWeasel for my browser. Doing what I can to stay with the parameters of Open Source |
| 03:28.35 | Datz | WormFood: lspci -nn|grep -i network = 0b:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection [8086:4222] (rev 02) |
| 03:28.55 | hanasaki | WormFood: not sure I understand... can you explain |
| 03:28.55 | WormFood | oh, you got the same piece of shit nic that I have in my laptop |
| 03:28.56 | Datz | WormFood: I installed firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 03:29.04 | Datz | WormFood: haha |
| 03:29.18 | hanasaki | Datz: what's in the firmware? it upgrades your netwrok card? |
| 03:29.43 | WormFood | support under debian for our nics appears to be marginal....I frequently get dropped network connections when using the wireless on Linux. |
| 03:29.44 | Datz | well, it was non-free. so not installed when I was installing the OS |
| 03:30.01 | Datz | WormFood: I see. Same with ubuntu then |
| 03:30.04 | Datz | ? |
| 03:30.48 | WormFood | perhaps it is a Linux thing, and not a debian thing then. I only run Debian, except when I need a live boot, then I use knoppix or backtrack, depending on what I'm doing ;) It appears to work the best under backtrack |
| 03:31.00 | Datz | humm |
| 03:31.14 | WormFood | and it pisses me off that kismet does not show my batter life in debian, but works great in backtrack |
| 03:31.57 | Datz | humm |
| 03:32.00 | Datz | weird |
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| 03:32.25 | Datz | WormFood: well.. after I installed firmware-linux-nonfree, I ran " |
| 03:32.25 | WormFood | I don't remember if I had to do anything special or not. I don't remember. I setup my laptop in November |
| 03:32.26 | Datz | aptitude install firmware-linux-nonfree ; modprobe -r iwl3945 ; modprobe iwl3945 ; dmesg | tail -13" |
| 03:32.35 | Datz | ah |
| 03:32.46 | Nomad | Gnash and Lightspark huh? |
| 03:33.40 | Datz | WormFood: so.. I was hoping to have things working after that, GUI wise, with network manger |
| 03:33.54 | Datz | but nothing yet.. |
| 03:35.22 | WormFood | hanasaki, you never said what you wanted to do with your bootable usb, so I answered your question literally. I've made bootable Linux systems that actually did stuff, that would fit on a single 1.44 meg floppy disk. |
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| 03:35.37 | WormFood | it works for me with the network manager |
| 03:36.08 | hanasaki | WormFood: looking for 2 (or more) gigabit motherboard (smal) and case and maybe run ipcop |
| 03:36.15 | Datz | WormFood: humm :( |
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| 03:36.25 | WormFood | don't forget to turn on your wireless switch ;) Linux does honor that switch (it is a software switch, so the software can override the switch and stay on, if it wants to) |
| 03:36.30 | Datz | WormFood: I need to bring up wlan0 or some wireless interface |
| 03:36.46 | WormFood | Datz, you can do most everything from the network manager |
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| 03:38.00 | Datz | how do I find out what the wireless interface is, so I can bring it up> |
| 03:38.20 | WormFood | iwconfig |
| 03:38.37 | Datz | ok, command not found :P |
| 03:38.42 | Datz | so install that I assume |
| 03:38.45 | prince_jammys | /sbin/iwconfig |
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| 03:39.01 | Datz | thanks |
| 03:39.03 | WormFood | dpkg -S `which iwconfig` --> wireless-tools: /sbin/iwconfig |
| 03:39.03 | dpkg | Package: `which iwconfig` --> wireless-tools: /sbin/iwconfig: Status: install ok installed |
| 03:39.19 | Datz | wlan0 then.. |
| 03:39.28 | WormFood | what was dpkg triggering on? |
| 03:39.49 | WormFood | oh, the command, duh |
| 03:39.52 | simonlnu | dpkg -S |
| 03:39.52 | dpkg | simonlnu: are you using Windows? |
| 03:40.06 | simonlnu | dpkg: nope |
| 03:40.06 | dpkg | yes |
| 03:40.16 | WormFood | yeah, I just realized that before you said it :P |
| 03:40.35 | simonlnu | :) |
| 03:40.35 | hanasaki | WormFood: what do you think? |
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| 03:41.07 | Datz | so, how can I bring up wlan0? |
| 03:41.17 | WormFood | anyways, I give my command line, to help others find what command is in what package on their installed system...what prince_jammys said was not helpful as far as finding the right package goes. |
| 03:41.35 | WormFood | hanasaki, what do I think about what? |
| 03:42.07 | hanasaki | lol |
| 03:42.10 | WormFood | all of our psychics are away at a convention in Atlantis |
| 03:42.15 | Rusty1 | Datz: ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 03:42.16 | hanasaki | you ask a question and do not see the answer |
| 03:42.25 | Datz | thanks Rusty1 |
| 03:42.29 | hanasaki | (10:35:21 PM) WormFood: hanasaki, you never said what you wanted to do with your bootable usb, so I answered your question literally. I've made bootable Linux systems that actually did stuff, that would fit on a single 1.44 meg floppy disk. |
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| 03:42.37 | hanasaki | (10:36:08 PM) hanasaki: WormFood: looking for 2 (or more) gigabit motherboard (smal) and case and maybe run ipcop |
| 03:42.54 | stlsaint | hey folks im looking for the uri line to add to my sources.list to be able to download source files |
| 03:43.09 | Datz | Rusty1: any idea about what this means? SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory |
| 03:43.19 | Datz | Rusty1: tis what I get after running that command |
| 03:44.22 | WormFood | hanasaki, neither of those are questions, as indicated by the lack of a question mark. If you want people to respond to your "questions", you should mark them as a question. Now, you just said what you want to do...what do I think about that? no problem, do whatever you want to do. |
| 03:45.00 | Datz | so, theoretically the network manager should be working at this time? |
| 03:45.04 | WormFood | if you want an answer to a specific question, like what do I think is a good motherboard, or something like that, that is specific, then I'd be happy to answer....but honestly, I really don't know what you're looking for (sorry, not trying to sound harsh) |
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| 03:45.31 | stew | Datz: if "ifconfig wlan0 up" returned "SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory" then wlan0 probably doesn't exist |
| 03:45.40 | Datz | humm |
| 03:46.06 | Datz | stew: iwconfig shows: wlan0 IEEE 802.11abg ESSID:off/any |
| 03:46.17 | Datz | Mode:Managed Access Point: Not-Associated Tx-Power=0 dBm etc |
| 03:46.47 | WormFood | Datz, I suggest you keep another window open, with "tail -F /var/log/messages" open on it, so you can see what is going on, more than 15 lines, or whatever....handy sometimes. |
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| 03:47.00 | Datz | WormFood: I see |
| 03:47.26 | WormFood | Datz, are you trying to connect to a WEP WAP? |
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| 03:47.39 | WormFood | well...a WEP 'encrypted' WAP |
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| 03:48.19 | Datz | WormFood: well, to start I'd like to see a list of available networks |
| 03:48.23 | Rusty1 | Datz: what DE . gnome etc? |
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| 03:48.30 | Datz | yes gnome |
| 03:49.04 | WormFood | Datz, you don't know what you're trying to connect to? |
| 03:49.19 | Rusty1 | Datz: is there a networking icon on the panel, lower right? |
| 03:49.46 | Datz | WormFood: well I have a network here, it's WPA I think |
| 03:49.51 | Datz | Rusty1: let me check |
| 03:50.23 | Datz | Rusty1: lower? |
| 03:50.35 | Datz | there is the network manager icon top right |
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| 03:50.55 | Rusty1 | Datz: ok, right click add ? |
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| 03:51.51 | stew | Datz: if you got "SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory" you have other problems you should solve |
| 03:52.05 | stew | Datz: which could be hardware kill switch. could be wrong firmware, dunno what else |
| 03:52.10 | Datz | humm |
| 03:52.24 | stew | Datz: but "ifconfig $if up" for any existing interface should work |
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| 03:52.45 | Datz | I see |
| 03:53.01 | Rusty1 | Datz: and in a terminal: rfkill wifi |
| 03:53.30 | Datz | here is some output from the earlier command http://pastebin.com/ |
| 03:53.49 | Datz | is there a cd image with non-free firmware loaded on it? |
| 03:54.08 | Datz | I'd be willing to try that instead |
| 03:54.21 | Datz | I used the netinst |
| 03:56.08 | Rusty1 | you need to post the complete pastebin url |
| 03:56.14 | Datz | ha |
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| 03:57.15 | Datz | sorry: http://pastebin.com/dWe2BNfH |
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| 03:57.35 | Datz | I guess there were problems loading the non-free firmware |
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| 04:01.17 | whoever | i just installed debian . and it made random mount points for two of my drives. is there a procedure i need to follow to change the mount points? or can i just make my own , edit fstab. or will debian recrreate the mount points it had previously made on next boot |
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| 04:06.35 | celthunder | just make your own and edit fstab |
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| 04:07.05 | Rusty1 | Datz: while that may be true, going through the process of right clicking on the ico, add, wireless tab and entering the wep/wap info might be worthwhile |
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| 04:08.13 | Datz | Rusty1: yea, I tried that too :\ |
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| 04:25.44 | Lobs | babilen: i have gotten the machine to not have dep errors now, thanks for all your help before, it was very very much appreciated. |
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| 04:47.56 | mOxim | hi |
| 04:48.03 | mOxim | where is iceweasel bookmarks? |
| 04:49.58 | SolomonKull | Look in the menu... |
| 04:50.19 | SolomonKull | Or do you mean in the .mozilla or .config folder? |
| 04:50.19 | mOxim | on hdd |
| 04:50.28 | mOxim | can not locate 'em |
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| 04:51.05 | SolomonKull | Did you ask google? |
| 04:51.13 | mOxim | asked |
| 04:51.29 | mOxim | he said "don know" :0 |
| 04:51.53 | SolomonKull | I already told you the answer. |
| 04:51.56 | mOxim | need to export bookmarks to html-file? |
| 04:52.00 | SolomonKull | .mozilla |
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| 04:52.39 | mOxim | solved |
| 04:52.43 | SolomonKull | /home/and/.mozilla/firefox/m345efefn.default/bookmarks.html on this box. |
| 04:52.47 | mOxim | no |
| 04:52.53 | mOxim | need export bookmark list |
| 04:53.46 | SolomonKull | /home/and/.mozilla/firefox/blablabla.default/bookmarkbackups |
| 04:53.53 | SolomonKull | .json backups |
| 04:54.19 | SolomonKull | You know you can do this with the browser, right? |
| 04:54.30 | SolomonKull | Go to Organize Bookmarks and then Export them |
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| 04:55.18 | SolomonKull | bookmarks > organize bookmarks > Import and Backup > Export to html |
| 04:55.54 | mOxim | i did |
| 04:56.03 | mOxim | before u said |
| 04:56.38 | SolomonKull | So what is the problem? The file I directed you towards is the exact same file as that |
| 04:56.50 | SolomonKull | is confused |
| 04:57.01 | mOxim | relax, troll. |
| 04:57.03 | mOxim | :) |
| 04:57.10 | SolomonKull | Troll? WTF? Go away. |
| 04:57.21 | mOxim | i will. bye. |
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| 05:00.02 | gentx | What is this rpc.statd daemon script that is always listening on a port in the 30000 range? |
| 05:00.50 | SolomonKull | The rpc.statd server implements the NSM (Network Status Monitor) RPC protocol. This service is somewhat misnomed, since it doesn't actually provide active monitoring as one might suspect; instead, NSM implements a reboot notification service. It is used by the NFS file locking service, rpc.lockd, to implement lock recovery when the NFS server machine crashes and reboots. |
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| 05:01.20 | SolomonKull | For each NFS client or server machine to be monitored, rpc.statd creates a file in /var/lib/nfs/statd/sm. When starting, it iterates through these files and notifies the peer rpc.statd on those machines. |
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| 05:02.24 | gentx | so if i'm not using nfs then I can remove this? |
| 05:02.53 | SolomonKull | You'll have to be the judge of that. I suggest you read the man page. |
| 05:03.07 | SolomonKull | man rpcd probably |
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| 05:12.25 | k-man | I have an audo device on my computer, lspci reports it as :Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2) but how do I make sure its configured correctly and working? |
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| 05:14.12 | cahoot | speaker-test -t wav -c 2 |
| 05:14.37 | aspect | I've used debootstrap to install wheezy on an external drive that will soon be put into another machine to boot .. what steps do I need to take after debootstrap finishes: create fstab, install locales and grub, ...? |
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| 05:16.16 | k-man | thanks cahoot, I think I'm getting something but the levels are extreemly low |
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| 05:16.46 | cahoot | k-man: use alsamixer to adjust levels |
| 05:16.47 | k-man | whats that console based program for setting volume? |
| 05:16.53 | SolomonKull | alsamixer |
| 05:17.01 | k-man | thats the one! thanks SolomonKull |
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| 05:18.19 | k-man | awesomeness - I don't know if you guys have tried shairport, but it rocks |
| 05:19.13 | SolomonKull | What is shairport? |
| 05:20.10 | ajikeshi | SolomonKull, you mean gnu/sharepoint? *scnr* |
| 05:20.12 | k-man | http://mafipulation.org/blagoblig/reversing |
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| 05:20.42 | k-man | SolomonKull, it lets your computer act as an apple airplay receiving device |
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| 05:21.02 | k-man | so you can play music on your iphone and output it from your linux box'es audio out |
| 05:21.03 | SolomonKull | Apple? Why would I be using Apple products, I respect my privacy and rights. |
| 05:21.07 | ajikeshi | k-man, why do you want that? |
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| 05:21.24 | ajikeshi | i can smell like salmon... but why should i do that? |
| 05:21.37 | k-man | ajikeshi, so that when I am in my lounge and feel like listening to music, I can just dial it up on my iphone and it comes out of my media pc |
| 05:21.54 | SolomonKull | k-man: that's nice, but cant you just SSH into it? |
| 05:22.27 | k-man | SolomonKull, of course I can - but you cannot deny the convenience of just using the iphone's ipod interface to select music |
| 05:22.54 | ajikeshi | k-man, ssh+screen+mplayer :P |
| 05:23.07 | SolomonKull | s/screen/tmux |
| 05:23.17 | ajikeshi | and i can even play angband while listening to music |
| 05:23.22 | k-man | ajikeshi, again, 10/10 for possible, -50 for convenience ;) |
| 05:23.23 | ajikeshi | tmux? |
| 05:23.32 | k-man | angband? |
| 05:23.37 | SolomonKull | tmux is like screen, only superior in every way. |
| 05:23.43 | SolomonKull | angband is a must-have |
| 05:23.46 | ajikeshi | k-man, same for apple products |
| 05:23.54 | ajikeshi | mhh never heard of it |
| 05:23.59 | SolomonKull | text game |
| 05:24.02 | ajikeshi | SolomonKull, i ll get a look at it later |
| 05:24.12 | ajikeshi | SolomonKull, i thought something like tinymux? |
| 05:24.37 | SolomonKull | tmux is a terminal multiplexer, just liek screen. You can attach and detach sessions etc, very useful. |
| 05:24.44 | ajikeshi | mhhh |
| 05:24.49 | ajikeshi | same as screen then xD |
| 05:24.59 | SolomonKull | Yes, but *better in every way* |
| 05:25.14 | ajikeshi | mhhh |
| 05:25.18 | SolomonKull | Another is dmvt...or whatever its called |
| 05:25.26 | k-man | tmux? |
| 05:25.31 | k-man | is tmux better than screen? |
| 05:25.38 | SolomonKull | I personally believe it is. |
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| 05:25.46 | ajikeshi | btmux FTW ;) |
| 05:25.55 | apeiron | tmux <3 |
| 05:26.01 | ajikeshi | btmux :D |
| 05:26.06 | SolomonKull | What is btmux? |
| 05:26.23 | ajikeshi | netcat btmux.com 2950 xD |
| 05:26.31 | ajikeshi | battletech mud with extensions D: |
| 05:26.50 | SolomonKull | dvtm is also like screen and tmux, very good for what it is. |
| 05:26.55 | SolomonKull | I like it. |
| 05:27.23 | ajikeshi | SolomonKull, well apple product are to :D |
| 05:27.51 | ajikeshi | the almost most impressive paperweights xD |
| 05:27.51 | k-man | angband looks interesting |
| 05:27.57 | k-man | sort of like nethack |
| 05:28.02 | ajikeshi | k-man, you didnt know angband??? |
| 05:28.08 | k-man | no |
| 05:28.13 | ajikeshi | k-man, check out gearhead and gearhead2 too :D |
| 05:28.21 | SolomonKull | gearhead2 is great |
| 05:28.23 | SolomonKull | I love it. |
| 05:28.24 | k-man | although I suspect I might have lookd at it once before and fogotten its name |
| 05:28.30 | SolomonKull | One of my favorite and Ive played many... |
| 05:28.37 | ajikeshi | SolomonKull, you should try playing on btmux :D |
| 05:29.21 | ajikeshi | the most awesome mmog that ever existed xD |
| 05:29.33 | SolomonKull | Just download bsdgames-nonfree is you are willing to have nonfree packages, its got great games. |
| 05:29.35 | k-man | gearhead looks interesting too |
| 05:29.55 | SolomonKull | bsdgames-nonfree is the best gaming package ever created. EVER. |
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| 05:30.13 | ajikeshi | SolomonKull, lol...ya its pretty good :D |
| 05:30.40 | ajikeshi | SolomonKull, but gnugo is better :D |
| 05:30.50 | SolomonKull | I'm not sure I know gnugo. |
| 05:30.55 | SolomonKull | GNUgo? |
| 05:30.58 | ajikeshi | yes |
| 05:31.02 | tensorpudding | is that the one with rogue in it? |
| 05:31.07 | ajikeshi | engine that plays go |
| 05:31.12 | ajikeshi | O_o |
| 05:31.14 | SolomonKull | tensorpudding: yes. |
| 05:31.20 | SolomonKull | And 10+ other games |
| 05:31.38 | tensorpudding | rogue is a bit primitive |
| 05:32.07 | ajikeshi | mhh i wanted to learn to play empires for some time now :D |
| 05:32.20 | SolomonKull | You know what's a good game? AOP. Its a small game (less than 60 lines of C) that is fun as hell. Very simple, very fun. Like crack, but free. |
| 05:32.22 | k-man | empire? |
| 05:32.29 | k-man | AOP? |
| 05:32.40 | ajikeshi | aop? |
| 05:32.48 | k-man | please provide URLs for all games you mention ;) |
| 05:32.57 | SolomonKull | It might not be in the repos, but you can search for it on Google and find it. I play it on all of my BSD boxes. |
| 05:33.14 | tensorpudding | wow, C, ncurses and only 60 lines of code? |
| 05:33.55 | ajikeshi | mhhhh |
| 05:33.55 | k-man | tensorpudding, which game is that? |
| 05:34.01 | tensorpudding | aop |
| 05:34.06 | tensorpudding | ambassadors of pain, apparently |
| 05:34.21 | SolomonKull | Ambassador Of Pain |
| 05:34.24 | SolomonKull | Yeah, thats it |
| 05:34.31 | SolomonKull | I have the source if you guys want it or cant find it |
| 05:34.38 | k-man | url? |
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| 05:34.45 | k-man | my google foo is weak today |
| 05:34.49 | SolomonKull | http://raffi.at/view/code/aop |
| 05:34.55 | SolomonKull | http://raffi.at/code/aop/aop-0.6.tar.gz |
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| 05:35.22 | SolomonKull | Making maps is easy, playing is hard. I cant get passed lvl 5 or 6. Forget which. |
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| 05:36.41 | ajikeshi | k-man, http://www.wolfpackempire.com |
| 05:36.59 | ajikeshi | actually a remake of the 1980ies original |
| 05:37.00 | SolomonKull | Is Empire popular? |
| 05:37.07 | ajikeshi | LOL |
| 05:37.10 | ajikeshi | nope |
| 05:37.21 | ajikeshi | i doubt that more than 100 ppl are playing it nowadays |
| 05:37.24 | k-man | empire is a bit up istelf |
| 05:37.38 | k-man | " |
| 05:37.49 | k-man | oops. I mean "Empire is the pinnacle of strategy games in today's world" |
| 05:37.57 | ajikeshi | aye |
| 05:38.15 | ajikeshi | the same way that stars! is the first good space-strategy game :D |
| 05:38.35 | k-man | stars? |
| 05:38.37 | k-man | cripes |
| 05:38.39 | ajikeshi | aaah.. i need to start a new round of stars! soonish :D |
| 05:38.42 | k-man | there are so many games I have never heard of |
| 05:38.47 | k-man | url? |
| 05:38.52 | SolomonKull | Most games suck. |
| 05:38.54 | SolomonKull | Period. |
| 05:39.03 | ajikeshi | http://www.abandonia.com/en/games/27002/Stars!.html |
| 05:39.34 | SolomonKull | woah, a URL with an exclamation mark? Far out and groovy, dudes. |
| 05:39.45 | ajikeshi | lol :D |
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| 05:40.13 | ajikeshi | its really fun |
| 05:40.22 | ajikeshi | feels like a mix between civilization and moo2 |
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| 05:40.55 | tensorpudding | aop does have 64 lines of c code, but it feels perfectly fine with putting many commands on a single line |
| 05:41.01 | tensorpudding | and yeah, that is a goto statement in there |
| 05:41.27 | ajikeshi | LOL |
| 05:41.28 | k-man | hehe |
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| 05:42.47 | ajikeshi | lol |
| 05:43.01 | ajikeshi | im just realizing that i dont play any games made after 2000 O_o |
| 05:43.10 | ajikeshi | help me im stuck in the last millenium xD |
| 05:43.17 | SolomonKull | ZSNES FTW |
| 05:43.22 | ajikeshi | aye! |
| 05:43.36 | SolomonKull | My movie/tv preference are still from the 90s. 90s sci-fi was epic. |
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| 05:43.47 | k-man | what is a 4x game? |
| 05:43.53 | ajikeshi | SolomonKull, go watch the original doctor who game |
| 05:44.09 | ajikeshi | k-man, eXpand eXplore eXplode eXterminate? |
| 05:44.12 | ajikeshi | something like that :D |
| 05:44.16 | k-man | oh |
| 05:44.21 | ajikeshi | s/game/series/ |
| 05:44.49 | ajikeshi | games like civ, master of orion, ascendancy |
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| 05:45.04 | SolomonKull | Commadn and Conquer Red Alert |
| 05:45.15 | ajikeshi | not really |
| 05:45.20 | ajikeshi | theres no research |
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| 05:45.51 | ssfdre38 | how do i do a disk partition on the os |
| 05:45.55 | katsrc | is GNOME dependent on Evolution? |
| 05:46.06 | ajikeshi | katsrc, partly i think |
| 05:46.22 | ajikeshi | but you can compile it without evolution support |
| 05:46.23 | katsrc | ajikeshi: so removing it would cause other parts to be removed? |
| 05:46.28 | ajikeshi | yes |
| 05:46.29 | SolomonKull | Removing packages that come with gnome sometimes wants to uninstall all of gnome. |
| 05:46.32 | ajikeshi | i think so |
| 05:46.36 | ajikeshi | but im not really sure |
| 05:46.36 | SolomonKull | Its RETARDED. |
| 05:46.37 | katsrc | ajikeshi: are those parts essential? |
| 05:47.00 | ajikeshi | katsrc, well... its mostly "integrated" stuff |
| 05:47.09 | katsrc | SolomonKull: that sucks |
| 05:47.10 | ajikeshi | if you build gnome w/o evolution its fine |
| 05:47.29 | ajikeshi | SolomonKull, its not retarded |
| 05:47.37 | ajikeshi | imagine you didnt have dependencies |
| 05:47.42 | SolomonKull | I don't use Gnome, I use AwesomeWM and a collection of (mostly) GTK apps. |
| 05:48.14 | ajikeshi | last cup of coffee b4 im off :D |
| 05:48.53 | lneely | solomon does have a point, and i've grumbled about it too. shouldn't have to install the entire gnome desktop environment to run gtk apps. could just satisfy deps individually. |
| 05:48.56 | SolomonKull | I usually install a minimal Debian and then I: sudo apt-get install awesome awesome-extra vim vim-scripts tmux gnome-terminal pcmanfm mplayer zsnes weechat-curses |
| 05:49.17 | ajikeshi | lneely, afaik you can install it manually via gnome-base |
| 05:49.17 | SolomonKull | lneely: you dont need to install all og gnome to run GTK apps, you need to intsall GTK apps instead of Gnome. |
| 05:49.17 | lneely | it doesn't make me stop using debian, just inconvenient at times. |
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| 05:49.28 | lneely | oh. |
| 05:49.30 | SolomonKull | lneely: Debian != Gnome |
| 05:49.31 | ajikeshi | ye |
| 05:49.32 | lneely | well don't i feel silly :) |
| 05:49.38 | SolomonKull | You can usee other DEs or none at all, like me. |
| 05:49.39 | ajikeshi | its mostly because of that gnome metapackage |
| 05:49.59 | lneely | i never said debian == gnome, it just seemed in my ignorance that the deps were set up to require gnome. glad i was wrong. |
| 05:50.00 | dualcore | why can't i launch nautilus from a root terminal? |
| 05:50.20 | katsrc | ajikeshi: GNOME building takes long doesn't it? |
| 05:50.21 | SolomonKull | dualcore: you should be able to, try gksu nautilus |
| 05:50.28 | ajikeshi | katsrc, depends :D |
| 05:50.33 | ajikeshi | never built it myself :D |
| 05:50.36 | katsrc | lol |
| 05:50.38 | ajikeshi | but its a bit smaller than KDE |
| 05:50.39 | SolomonKull | If you have a slow PC building gnome can take 8-10 hours. |
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| 05:50.44 | ajikeshi | and that took me about 18hours :D |
| 05:51.00 | katsrc | i heard the latest took about that much time with i7 processors |
| 05:51.04 | katsrc | yikes |
| 05:51.12 | ajikeshi | i7? |
| 05:51.17 | SolomonKull | I built KDE 3.something on gentoo and it took me FOREEEVERRR |
| 05:51.20 | SolomonKull | And a day. |
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| 05:51.25 | ajikeshi | SolomonKull, yes :D |
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| 05:51.35 | dualcore | thanks SolomonKull |
| 05:51.39 | katsrc | ajikeshi: Intel i7: http://www.intel.com/products/processor/corei7/index.htm |
| 05:52.04 | ajikeshi | mhhh never owned an intel proc again after the p3/tualatin stuff :D |
| 05:52.34 | ajikeshi | stilll got my old dual cpu "beast" :D |
| 05:52.36 | ajikeshi | and it still works :D |
| 05:52.43 | lneely | what p3/tualatin stuff? link? |
| 05:52.45 | SolomonKull | Intel si good for basic stuff. Old computers that are usually free and or dirt cheap always seem to have integrated intel chips. They work flawlessly under *nix. |
| 05:53.08 | ajikeshi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_III#Tualatin |
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| 05:53.11 | lneely | danke |
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| 05:53.22 | ajikeshi | lneely, bitte :D |
| 05:53.40 | k-man | so anyway, when I run shairport, it grabs the audio device away from mythtv - how can I make it share the audio device with mythtv? |
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| 05:53.52 | dualcore | how to i leave x to install a video driver |
| 05:54.03 | SolomonKull | Why do people use MythTV? Isnt mplayer easier? |
| 05:54.07 | SolomonKull | -_- |
| 05:54.11 | k-man | dualcore, what do you mean? how do you quit X? |
| 05:54.15 | dualcore | yea |
| 05:54.17 | k-man | SolomonKull, because I like it |
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| 05:54.21 | ajikeshi | dualcore, strg+alt+f1 => login as root and execute /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 05:54.32 | k-man | dualcore, maybe try ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 05:54.33 | ajikeshi | and gdm start to start it up again |
| 05:54.35 | SolomonKull | k-man: kill x by pressing ctrl+prntscreen+k |
| 05:54.45 | SolomonKull | sorrt, not ctrl, ALT |
| 05:54.47 | k-man | SolomonKull, I'm not asking |
| 05:54.49 | ajikeshi | k-man, hes likly trying to install nvidia drivers :D |
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| 05:55.07 | k-man | ajikeshi, yeah |
| 05:55.16 | lneely | dualcore, CTRL-ALT-F1, login, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop |
| 05:55.19 | ajikeshi | SolomonKull, shouldnt work anymore if he didnt disable nozap manually |
| 05:55.28 | ajikeshi | lneely, eeew sudo |
| 05:55.32 | lneely | assuming you have a fairly typical install |
| 05:55.37 | k-man | SolomonKull, if you have a dedicated PC connected to your TV for recording and watching TV, imho mythtv is the best solution |
| 05:55.53 | SolomonKull | ajikeshi: pardon? Not everyone uses Gnome/Compiz or whatever you're talking about. It _always_ works for me. Always. |
| 05:55.58 | lneely | ha! what's wrong with sudo? |
| 05:56.15 | SolomonKull | sudo for graphical apps is not suggested. Use gksu. |
| 05:56.28 | lneely | but it isn't a graphical app, it's a service start/stop script |
| 05:56.29 | SolomonKull | also, most nerds steal root |
| 05:56.36 | lneely | point. :) |
| 05:56.41 | k-man | steal root? what do you mean? |
| 05:56.50 | ajikeshi | SolomonKull, no... its default X behavoir for some time now |
| 05:56.50 | SolomonKull | su instead of su |
| 05:57.02 | ajikeshi | lneely, i prefer su -c $command |
| 05:57.18 | SolomonKull | ajikeshi: no. ctrl+alt+backspace is depricated but alt+prntscrn+k restarts X. Trust me. |
| 05:57.23 | ajikeshi | oh |
| 05:57.24 | lneely | i see. i just like sudo because my root password is 32 characters long. |
| 05:57.28 | ajikeshi | mhhh |
| 05:57.46 | ajikeshi | SolomonKull, so they just changed the "binding"? |
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| 05:57.52 | SolomonKull | ajikeshi: if you dont believe me, press alt+prntscrn+k and find out for yoruself. |
| 05:58.01 | lneely | which is just stupid. but whatever. :) |
| 05:58.06 | ajikeshi | SolomonKull, hrr hrr hrr.. wont do that now :D |
| 05:58.16 | ajikeshi | but i ll try at some other PC soonish :D |
| 05:58.20 | SolomonKull | alt+f4 to make your browser load faster. |
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| 05:58.32 | ajikeshi | lol |
| 05:58.54 | lneely | i remember playing with the windoze kiddies. C:\con\con to hack your computer. |
| 05:59.10 | lneely | fun times. |
| 06:00.17 | SolomonKull | http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lh5xa99wZQ1qzqua1o1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1304748007&Signature=jagbVdezKCoky8AUfGwQnyhCJPo%3D |
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| 06:01.11 | lneely | huzzah! 2.6.39 finally compiled. |
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| 06:01.27 | k-man | I prefer to use sudo |
| 06:01.33 | k-man | I think sudo is better for most things |
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| 06:01.42 | SolomonKull | That means you only do one or two thinsg at a time. |
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| 06:01.50 | SolomonKull | Some of us need to be root for several hours a day |
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| 06:03.44 | lneely | yeah. definitely not efficient there, but sudo works fine for stopping a service :) |
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| 06:04.35 | dualcore | how come i cant ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-270.41.06.run this video driver ? |
| 06:04.49 | SolomonKull | chmod +x foobar |
| 06:04.52 | SolomonKull | ./foobar |
| 06:05.02 | SolomonKull | Need to make it executable! |
| 06:05.20 | dualcore | thanks SolomonKull |
| 06:05.29 | dualcore | i'm migrating from ubuntu |
| 06:05.37 | lneely | ewww proprietary driver. nouveau ftw. :) |
| 06:05.54 | dualcore | i also need to install phpmyadmin still but i'm using lighttpd |
| 06:05.57 | SolomonKull | I have exactly 1 nonfree package, flash. |
| 06:06.02 | SolomonKull | gnash is a joke, so.... |
| 06:06.06 | lneely | broadcom-sta-common here |
| 06:06.15 | lneely | but that's why i'm trying 2.6.39 |
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| 06:06.29 | SolomonKull | What's new? |
| 06:06.33 | lneely | apparently experimental support for my wifi driver in bc43 |
| 06:06.48 | lneely | we'll see how that goes. |
| 06:07.53 | lneely | and yeah, gnash isn't very good yet. |
| 06:09.00 | lneely | then again, it is still version 0 |
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| 06:12.30 | SolomonKull | I can't wait for a fully GNU Hurd OS that is fully functional. |
| 06:12.38 | SolomonKull | Should be any day now... /sarcasm |
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| 06:13.04 | dualcore | how do i disable the Nouveau kernel driver |
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| 06:17.30 | xixo | how do I check temps on asus p8p67? |
| 06:17.47 | xixo | (tried installing lm-sensors, sensor-applet already) |
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| 06:19.31 | lneely | /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf is how you stop modules from loading at startup |
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| 06:19.42 | aspect | alt-sysrq-k .. that's a handy one. I note that it's not an Xorg feature though (which explains why it's not mentioned anywhere in the context of DontZap) |
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| 06:20.40 | lneely | then you can either reboot, or you can rmmod |
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| 06:21.05 | lneely | aspect, that's such a bizarre key combo. |
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| 06:25.08 | superlinux | hi. I am on debian squeeze 64bit. I am using 3.2GHz Pentium 4 that can support 64bit. the system is still slower than a similar windows box. My RAM is 512MB. the responsiveness is slow, the system still uses the swap part although i set the sysctl kernel tweak for swap is as small as possible but not zero. I had apache and mysql running and stopped them too. what should I do more to make it faster? This box is meant for secretary office work |
| 06:25.08 | superlinux | only. |
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| 06:26.15 | h4k0r | helo |
| 06:26.29 | jmarsden | superlinux: Add more RAM :) |
| 06:26.31 | lneely | ehlo h4k0r |
| 06:26.57 | h4k0r | i just want to ask if someone here teach me how to install squid in linux |
| 06:27.00 | h4k0r | i mean tutorial |
| 06:27.08 | h4k0r | a noob one |
| 06:27.22 | superlinux | jmarsden, true.. but this box is not mine. it's for my work. so I don't have any authority on it |
| 06:28.13 | superlinux | jmarsden, I am now installing kernel 2.6.38 |
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| 06:28.22 | lneely | superlinux, running gnome or kde or what? |
| 06:28.23 | superlinux | it's said that it's faster |
| 06:28.31 | superlinux | lneely, gnome |
| 06:28.33 | jmarsden | h4k0r: Google for linux squid tutorial and look at the results, such as http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-setup-transparent-proxy-squid-howto.html |
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| 06:28.54 | superlinux | I can run icewm too.. but gnome is preferref |
| 06:28.57 | superlinux | I can run icewm too.. but gnome is preferred |
| 06:29.05 | h4k0r | jmarsden wat linux u prefer |
| 06:29.06 | cesurasean | How do I connect, and automate an ftp session using Windows 7 command line? I have cygwin installed.... |
| 06:29.08 | jmarsden | superlinux: You would get better responsiveness from a smaller DE, maybe try LXDE ? |
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| 06:29.27 | jmarsden | h4k0r: That question is offtopic in #debian :) |
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| 06:29.29 | superlinux | let me check if it's in the list |
| 06:29.35 | h4k0r | oic |
| 06:29.38 | h4k0r | tnx |
| 06:30.19 | aspect | lxde is pretty nice for a lightweight but still capable environment |
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| 06:31.03 | h4k0r | jmarsden im a noob |
| 06:31.05 | h4k0r | >.< |
| 06:31.08 | h4k0r | 1st to see linux |
| 06:31.10 | h4k0r | :D |
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| 06:31.27 | ectospasm | aspect: I found lxde to be less capable than xfce, which isn't capable at all. |
| 06:31.39 | lneely | welcome to freedom. i mean, "lol n00b" |
| 06:31.40 | jmarsden | cesurasean: ncftp client has some tools that are designed for use in scripts, and there is a windows port of ncftp IIRC |
| 06:32.00 | nsadmin | how do I set up hibernation on my laptop? how does hibernation work? |
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| 06:32.14 | lneely | those are very different questions, nsadmin |
| 06:32.30 | lneely | first. gnome-power-manager |
| 06:32.32 | cesurasean | jmarsden, thx |
| 06:32.33 | nsadmin | that's why I asked both of them :) |
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| 06:32.42 | jmarsden | nsadmin: http://wiki.debian.org/Hibernation is one source of info |
| 06:32.55 | jmarsden | cesurasean: You're welcome |
| 06:33.21 | lneely | second. oversimplified. RAM is stored to disk, and the computer is powered down fully. on boot, what was in memory is restored and you're left where you were, as if you had just put the computer to sleep. |
| 06:33.36 | lneely | RAM and state, i guess i should say. |
| 06:34.33 | lneely | nsadmin, good point. :) |
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| 06:35.30 | nsadmin | lneely, ok, so that would be a gnome gui around power management in the kernel? |
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| 06:35.53 | lneely | nsadmin, yes, probably easiest way to set it up |
| 06:36.20 | nsadmin | is there a kde one? :) |
| 06:36.39 | lneely | certainly it's in the kde control center? |
| 06:36.47 | lneely | i don't remember honestly |
| 06:36.56 | nsadmin | I don't necessarily need a gui, but I suppose it would be hanbdy |
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| 06:38.39 | xmaz | Hello they have redirect me to this channel |
| 06:38.41 | xmaz | [08:36:16] <xmaz> hello, ERROR: Site olebloch.com not properly enabled: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/olebloch.com is a real file, not touching it |
| 06:38.41 | xmaz | [08:36:37] <xmaz> This has never happened to me before, anyone have any clues on how to reslove this? |
| 06:38.47 | nsadmin | looking in system settings, I don't see power there |
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| 06:39.38 | lneely | 2sec |
| 06:39.50 | nsadmin | xmaz, so you're getting an error, but not saying what you want |
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| 06:40.37 | nsadmin | a "resolution" could go in different directions, whidh way do you want |
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| 06:40.51 | lneely | nsadmin, kde3 or 4? |
| 06:41.04 | xmaz | ah sorry nsadmin: when i try to run the site with apache (a2ensite olebloch.com) i get this error: ERROR: Site olebloch.com not properly enabled: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/olebloch.com is a real file, not touching it, And i dont really know what to do now, i tryed google found nothing... :/ |
| 06:41.12 | nsadmin | well whatever is in squeeze |
| 06:41.54 | nsadmin | so I take it you want to enable the site |
| 06:41.59 | xmaz | yes |
| 06:42.37 | rww | xmaz: You're supposed to put the file in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ and then make a symlink in sites-enabled pointing to it. |
| 06:42.43 | xixo | how do I check temperatures on asus p8p67? |
| 06:42.52 | rww | or less error-prone, use a2ensite for the second part. |
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| 06:43.57 | ompaul | xixo: lmsensors - however read the docs to see if it supports your motherboard first |
| 06:43.59 | xmaz | rww: the file is in the /etc/apache2/sites-available/ i have done the virtual host and everything, all other sites work fine, but this one just doesnt want to start :S |
| 06:44.07 | ompaul | !tell xixo about lmsensors |
| 06:45.01 | lneely | nsadmin, guidance-power-manager ? |
| 06:45.30 | nsadmin | that;s a package? let;s see |
| 06:45.40 | xixo | ompaul: I tried lmsensors, but it didn't work, at least not automaticaly |
| 06:45.41 | nsadmin | , versions guidance-power-manager |
| 06:45.43 | judd | Package guidance-power-manager on i386 -- squeeze: 4.4.0-3 |
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| 06:46.05 | nsadmin | so... kde4?? |
| 06:46.05 | rww | xmaz: That error happens because you put an actual file in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ instead of a symlink to /etc/apache2/sites-available/somefilehere. Fix that. |
| 06:46.17 | xmaz | hmmmmmm |
| 06:46.19 | lneely | i think so yes |
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| 06:50.14 | nsadmin | , versions kde |
| 06:50.14 | judd | Package kde on i386 -- lenny: 5:48; sid: 5:66; squeeze: 5:66; wheezy: 5:66 |
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| 06:51.02 | xmaz | rww: you just saved my life :P thanks so much, it works now |
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| 06:53.34 | nsadmin | xmaz, notice what happened after you said what you wanted |
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| 06:54.58 | xmaz | nsadmin: yes, sorry again :P |
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| 06:55.12 | nsadmin | no need to be. just notice. |
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| 06:56.27 | mOxim | how to enable reserfs3.6? |
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| 06:56.37 | mOxim | to make partition |
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| 06:57.27 | nsadmin | are you sure you want reiser? there are horror stories about reiser failing totally, unrecoverably |
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| 06:58.17 | ompaul | xixo: as I said - you have to check your kit is supported, if it isn't it isn't |
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| 06:58.37 | ompaul | ohh well |
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| 07:01.02 | satish | guys can anyone please help me in installing libpcap on debian, i have tried it but i gate pcap: no such file or directory error on debian.. |
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| 07:01.29 | cusco | what are you trying to achieve? |
| 07:01.36 | dualcore | i cannot see an ide hard drive for some reason? |
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| 07:02.04 | nsadmin | dualcore, just open your case |
| 07:02.32 | nsadmin | if it's in there and you look in the right direction... you'll see it |
| 07:03.11 | dualcore | when i look in gparted i'm getting Warning Invalid argument during seek for read on /dev/sda |
| 07:03.14 | nsadmin | otoh, if your controller is not seeing it, check the cables while the cover (AND MACHINE) is off |
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| 07:17.43 | nsadmin | for hibernation does my swap need to be a specific size? |
| 07:18.24 | lneely | i wouldn't think so |
| 07:18.40 | lneely | i don't think swap is related to hibernate. could be wrong. |
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| 07:19.29 | Morten_ | Isn't the swap used exactly for hibernation? |
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| 07:20.33 | Morten_ | I would think that you need the swap to be at least the same size of the RAM in your computer.. |
| 07:20.40 | Morten_ | I think I read that some where. |
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| 07:21.09 | rww | swap has to be ⥠the amount of RAM being used by your computer when you go into hibernation |
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| 07:21.39 | LetterRip | hi all, does anyone know the default install size? |
| 07:21.42 | LetterRip | for debian? |
| 07:21.57 | cusco | almost two times your ram |
| 07:22.01 | WormFood | rww, that depends on where your hibernation file is stored. If I'm not mistaken, you can manually select another file, other than swap space. |
| 07:22.46 | LetterRip | ie is it closer to 5 GB, 20GB, 50GB or 100GB ? |
| 07:23.13 | lneely | huh, right on. i thought it was just a file on disk. |
| 07:23.47 | WormFood | and speaking of hibernation, I couldn't get windows 7 to hibernate, until I changed something on one of the partitions (I think I had to set the 'active' flag on that partition)...really odd. |
| 07:24.17 | WormFood | the swap file can be a partition, or a file....or both |
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| 07:24.47 | lneely | i see |
| 07:25.04 | WormFood | if you have more than one hard drive, it is a good idea to put the swap partition on the other drive...and if you put it in the right place on the drive, you can make it slightly faster ;) |
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| 07:27.57 | nsadmin | the article cited by jmarsden mentions the swap used by uswsusp as a place to store the used ram and cpu state |
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| 07:33.14 | lneely | night. |
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| 07:38.18 | DASDSASDASD | hello people |
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| 07:38.27 | DASDSASDASD | party people ;D |
| 07:41.15 | DASDSASDASD | question |
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| 07:44.20 | proxx_ | hi all , Can anyone suggest a file sharing protocol for my home network, Iam rather tired of the whole "M$ smb party" but i do have some windows boxes that nees acces, i thought about plain ftp but thats not really convenient for the windows users.... anyone ?? |
| 07:44.53 | StefandeVries | proxx_: do you require a GUI? |
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| 07:45.04 | proxx_ | hehe no rather not :P |
| 07:45.21 | StefandeVries | File transfer can happen via ssh, using the command scp |
| 07:45.38 | DASDSASDASD | should i use debian or ubuntu thank youu |
| 07:45.58 | StefandeVries | proxx_: scp <localfile> user@machine:/path/to/file |
| 07:46.17 | ectospasm | !tell DASDSASDASD about ask |
| 07:46.44 | ectospasm | DASDSASDASD: that being said, you're in the wrong place if you expect us to tell you Ubuntu (-; |
| 07:46.45 | proxx_ | dankje stefan , Ill read up on scp :) |
| 07:46.53 | DASDSASDASD | ok |
| 07:47.21 | StefandeVries | proxx_: geen probleem(no problem) ;) |
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| 07:48.06 | proxx_ | DASDASDASD if your all about a fully packed system then go ubuntu, Would not be my advice anyway, its nice for a linux newbie , and a good way to change your mind :P |
| 07:48.38 | StefandeVries | Or use Linux Mint Debian Edition |
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| 07:49.06 | proxx_ | Yeah thats a good advice running it on 1 box myself, like it :) |
| 07:49.15 | StefandeVries | Same here :0 |
| 07:49.30 | ectospasm | I turned away from Ubuntu because of the massive bloat |
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| 07:49.43 | proxx_ | lol , i think a lot of us did :P |
| 07:49.47 | ectospasm | After a fresh boot, Ubuntu liked to consume too much RAM |
| 07:50.05 | ectospasm | I still have it on my workstation at home, which I will remedy this weekend |
| 07:50.09 | StefandeVries | That's why I moved to Debian |
| 07:50.18 | proxx_ | (dont get me started about ALL the damn ubuntu remixes) |
| 07:50.30 | proxx_ | (they should ban those :P ) |
| 07:51.11 | StefandeVries | especially Kubuntu |
| 07:51.16 | StefandeVries | going slightly offtopic.. |
| 07:54.41 | Metus | bye all |
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| 07:56.05 | LetterRip | hi all, can anyone tell me how big the 'default' netinst install is? |
| 07:56.37 | ectospasm | LetterRip: you mean the ISO or the base system after installation is complete? |
| 07:56.54 | LetterRip | base system after installation |
| 07:57.09 | LetterRip | it seems like it is taking a ridiculously long time |
| 07:57.41 | LetterRip | and the progress bar is around 60% |
| 07:57.44 | StefandeVries | LetterRip: about 2-3 GiB |
| 07:58.22 | [E]sc | LetterRip, but it also depends on your connection and what you selected to install |
| 07:58.36 | LetterRip | [E]sc, default install options |
| 07:58.44 | LetterRip | as i said |
| 07:59.01 | ectospasm | it can take some time. I've seen it pause at various percentages for what seem like ages. |
| 07:59.05 | [E]sc | try changing over to tty4 and seeing what's going on.. |
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| 08:00.09 | LetterRip | [E]sc, been awhile since i've been in a linux install - what is the key combo? |
| 08:00.44 | [E]sc | LetterRip, alt+f4 |
| 08:00.48 | Kull | ctrl+alt+f1 or f2 or f3 or fwhatever |
| 08:00.50 | LetterRip | don't want to type the wrong combo :) |
| 08:00.52 | LetterRip | k ty |
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| 08:01.39 | [E]sc | some reason my install system didn't need the ctrl... (?) |
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| 08:03.19 | LetterRip | it is showing a new package every couple of minutes |
| 08:03.40 | LetterRip | i guess i shall just be patient :) |
| 08:03.54 | ectospasm | LetterRip: depending on these packages, they could take several minutes to download and install |
| 08:05.41 | StefandeVries | LetterRip: indeed, what is your general download bitrate? |
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| 08:08.12 | gentx | what repository is netbeans in debian? |
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| 08:11.22 | babilen | gentx: In contrib -- But I would personally recommend to just get it directly from upstream. |
| 08:11.31 | babilen | ,versions netbeans-ide |
| 08:11.32 | judd | Package netbeans-ide on i386 -- lenny/contrib: 6.0.1+dfsg-2; sid/contrib: 6.0.1+dfsg-3 |
| 08:12.20 | babilen | gentx: That ^^^ version was released in 2008 or so :-\ |
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| 08:25.31 | arunkumar413 | hi |
| 08:25.51 | arunkumar413 | i'm having problem installing packages through synaptic |
| 08:27.09 | arunkumar413 | this is the error i'm getting http://pastie.org/1870888 |
| 08:28.06 | arunkumar413 | plz help me |
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| 08:29.29 | StefandeVries | arunkumar413: are you using apt-get elsewhere? like in the terminal? |
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| 08:30.06 | arunkumar413 | StefandeVries: no |
| 08:30.13 | gregorg | Hi |
| 08:30.24 | StefandeVries | arunkumar413: are you installing as root? |
| 08:30.27 | plaNT135 | whats the best way to deal with the freezing of iceweasel due to flash/(occasional java) issues |
| 08:30.36 | gregorg | is there any way to change package version inside debian/rules ? |
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| 08:32.00 | arunkumar413 | StefandeVries: dont know when i clicked on the synaptic package manager it asking for a user password. i entered it but unable to install |
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| 08:34.42 | ayambit | I installed x11vnc on a BOX and set it to listen on localhost:5900, now I try to make ssh tunnel to BOX from MYCOMP and can't connect. But, if I set x11vnc on the BOX to listen on every port, all works fine and I can connect though ssh tunnel. |
| 08:35.04 | ayambit | I'm connecting from windows to localhost:5900 in both cases. |
| 08:35.22 | arunkumar413 | StefandeVries: if i hover on the update manager icon on the top panel it displays "a package manger is running". But in the system monitor window there is no package manager process running |
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| 08:35.47 | ayambit | um, /s/every\ port/every\ interface |
| 08:36.18 | petemc | > |
| 08:36.19 | StefandeVries | arunkumar413: can you post the output of the terminal command 'top' via pastebin? |
| 08:36.51 | arunkumar413 | StefandeVries: ok,just a min |
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| 08:38.46 | arunkumar413 | StefandeVries: http://pastie.org/1870909 |
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| 08:40.43 | StefandeVries | I can't immediately see apt-get working |
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| 08:41.30 | StefandeVries | arunkumar413: try "top | grep apt-get" and wait till you see apt-get appearing, then hit Ctrl-C and get back to me :p |
| 08:41.38 | lapsusbrutus | why is iceweasel 3.5.16 on stable.. No plugins work on this ole bugger. cumbersome on desktop! I think we could need an easy fix or an extra repos for those who'd like to use a later version. Or what do you think? |
| 08:41.57 | babilen | !tell gregorg -about mentors |
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| 08:44.19 | arunkumar413 | StefandeVries: this is what i got: 2632 root 30 10 22148 17m 14m S 0 1.7 0:01.18 apt-get |
| 08:46.11 | StefandeVries | arunkumar413: now type 'kill 2632' and hit Enter. then try to install the packages again |
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| 08:47.18 | arunkumar413 | StefandeVries: it says operation not permitted |
| 08:48.11 | StefandeVries | arunkumar413: type 'su', Enter, fill in the root password, hit Enter again. Then again try 'kill 2632'. |
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| 08:48.54 | ayambit | Found it. |
| 08:48.57 | ayambit | Yahoo. |
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| 08:54.04 | StefandeVries | arunkumar413: how is it working out? |
| 08:54.59 | arunkumar413 | StefandeVries: ya, its working. thanks for the help |
| 08:55.10 | StefandeVries | you're welcome :) |
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| 08:55.24 | arunkumar413 | StefandeVries: can i know why it didn't work earlier |
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| 08:55.53 | sidh | Greetings |
| 08:56.35 | StefandeVries | arunkumar413: Sure, ther's was still an apt-get process running, and only one is allowed. with top we've come to know what it's process ID was(first numer on the line), and we've killed it |
| 08:56.37 | foetus | edging his brandnew wd elements drive for use with ext3.. |
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| 08:57.16 | sidh | I've found a documentation provided by the NSA which gives advices to secure a RHEL 5 server, but most of those advices may apply to other major distributions |
| 08:57.18 | foetus | *It is common knowledge that old school hackers all have large beards.. |
| 08:57.25 | foetus | :) |
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| 08:57.30 | arunkumar413 | StefandeVries: why is it not shown in the system monitor |
| 08:57.30 | foetus | joke |
| 08:58.08 | bullgard4 | 'man apt-get': "update is used to resynchronize the package index files from their sources." What are the filenames and pathes of these "package index files"? |
| 08:58.08 | sidh | what I wonder is about SELinux, it seems available for debian testing and sid, but not for stable, is there any reason ? |
| 08:58.08 | StefandeVries | arunkumar413: the apt-get process was run bij root, not by you. that's probably why it didn't show up |
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| 08:58.46 | arunkumar413 | StefandeVries: there is only one user on my system |
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| 09:00.00 | llutz | bullgard4: /var/cache/apt/*.bin (pkg/src) |
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| 09:00.26 | StefandeVries | arunkumar413: there appears to be just one. in fact, debian also has a root user, but you can't directly log in as root. he is also hidden from the log in manager |
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| 09:01.27 | arunkumar413 | StefandeVries: what is the simple way to deal with this if this problem occurs again |
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| 09:02.33 | bullgard4 | llutz: I found the path and the filenames. -- Thank you. -- But what do you mean by "(pkg/src)? |
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| 09:03.07 | bullgard4 | s/(src)/(src)"/ |
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| 09:03.36 | StefandeVries | arunkumar413: repeat the steps. so 'su', 'top | grep apt-get', hitting Ctrl-C if it appears, and then exter te first number on the line using kill: 'kill <number>' |
| 09:03.44 | llutz | bullgard4: one file contains the packagecache "pkgcache.bin" ,and one the sourcepackagecache "srcpkgcache.bin" |
| 09:04.10 | bullgard4 | llutz: Thank you very much for explaining and your help. |
| 09:04.22 | StefandeVries | arunkumar413: I don't know of a graphical way |
| 09:04.46 | arunkumar413 | StefandeVries: its ok, thanks |
| 09:06.26 | StefandeVries | arunkumar413: glad to have helped |
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| 09:07.05 | foetus | i would prefer ps instead. ps -C for example. |
| 09:07.23 | foetus | saner |
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| 09:11.50 | rams_ch | oh hi |
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| 09:13.30 | rams_ch | hmm when i woke up this morning, my vm (debian) had a kernel panic - and after reboot the interface was renamed to eth0_rename. So i changed the config in /etc/networks/interfaces - but when i execute /etc/init.d/network restart the interface doesn't come up. HOWEVER: when i configure the interface manually with ifconfig it works |
| 09:13.32 | rams_ch | any ideas? |
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| 09:18.47 | crilly | I'm configuring limits.conf to protect my VPS from fork-bombs; what are sensible soft and hard limits for nproc? I'm thinking 100 for soft, and 150 for hard. |
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| 09:20.32 | StefandeVries | crilly: that seem to be good limits |
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| 09:20.59 | OngiBot | Hozsi |
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| 09:21.33 | crilly | Good. Another question: where do I make sure pam_limits.so is loaded? I've noticed there is an entry in '/etc/pam.d/su', but does this cover the entire system, or just the 'su' command/service? |
| 09:21.54 | StefandeVries | of that I'm not sure. sorry |
| 09:23.32 | crilly | That's OK, at least you're making me aware that you don't know instead of leaving me hanging here hehe :) |
| 09:23.39 | crilly | Thanks for your help thus far, StefandeVries |
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| 09:24.42 | StefandeVries | You're of course welcome, crilly :) |
| 09:25.25 | OngiBot | Hello everybody. I have som problems with packages. The post installation script exited with errorcode |
| 09:25.43 | OngiBot | with errorcode 1 |
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| 09:26.03 | OngiBot | apt-get install -f |
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| 09:28.10 | pythoned | Greetings, how do you turn off sound notifications on xfce ? I googled and found no relevant answer...I also tried lxde channel but no one seems to be there. |
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| 09:32.54 | heroxbd | Hey guys, is there a way to browse the packages versions of debian sarge? |
| 09:33.30 | heroxbd | sb want some very ancient packages that I am tired of. I am planning to chroot a debian sarge for him. |
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| 09:34.37 | ansgar | heroxbd: Hit him until he stops wanting them. There is no longer any security support for sarge... |
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| 09:35.45 | heroxbd | ansgar: :D |
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| 09:43.05 | heroxbd | Hmmm... But he could only use such an old version for his development. Maybe I can use snapshot.debian.org? how can I search through the archive e.g. he want to use php5.2, how can I figure out what day to use? |
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| 09:50.04 | red2kic | Just mouthing off -- Why isn't thunderbird in the repo? Too many bugs? |
| 09:51.17 | jetscreamer | !iceweasel |
| 09:51.17 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
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| 09:51.24 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 09:51.28 | jetscreamer | !icedove |
| 09:51.28 | dpkg | Icedove is a DFSG-free fork of Mozilla Thunderbird, a cross-platform email client, which replaces Thunderbird in Debian from Lenny. Debian is unable to distribute Mozilla Thunderbird as-is due to trademark restrictions, see <DFSG> and <iceweasel>. For help with upstream issues, ask #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org. |
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| 09:53.25 | red2kic | !dfsg |
| 09:53.25 | dpkg | DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
| 09:53.28 | red2kic | Ah. :o |
| 09:53.47 | red2kic | jetscreamer: Thank you very much. |
| 09:53.51 | jetscreamer | np |
| 09:54.03 | jetscreamer | think it's the icons |
| 09:54.15 | jetscreamer | don't remember |
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| 09:54.34 | chellomere | amiga |
| 09:54.38 | jetscreamer | other tha that, same thing |
| 09:54.44 | jetscreamer | s/tha/than/ |
| 09:55.04 | red2kic | amiga? |
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| 10:00.33 | sqeezz | Please, is there a debian pakage ready to install, for a simply to use firewallnad may be squid proxy, like an GUI to run in a minimalist old machine Duron 850, or do you recomend other specific distribuition that do that fiunctions? becouse i'm with harware compatibility troubles, and think that debian could be a solution with some pakages that i dont know. |
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| 10:02.09 | mOxim | standard debian kernel is supporting lvm2? |
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| 10:02.40 | jelly | mOxim: yes |
| 10:02.58 | mOxim | can not create lvm partitions |
| 10:03.12 | mOxim | it gives Device /dev/sda not found (or ignored by filtering). |
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| 10:04.04 | scoobertron | does anyone know if I can increase the cache for vlc from the command line when playing video from an nfs drive ? |
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| 10:06.22 | scoobertron | I want the equivalent of mplayer -cache 8192 |
| 10:06.44 | oznt | hi everyone |
| 10:06.49 | oznt | hi everyone, i am trying to install a django based application and i bump against the wall of errors |
| 10:06.59 | oznt | can someone help me with this ? 'Settings' object has no attribute 'SITE_SRC_ROOT' |
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| 10:07.41 | MrFrood | scoobertron take a look at 'vlc --longhelp --advanced' |
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| 10:35.56 | gedO | Hello. I want to ask you is that real thta ubuntu and debian is almoust same destribution? |
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| 10:36.45 | Guest26467 | hi!!1 |
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| 10:37.02 | crilly | gedO: Ubuntu is based on Debian. |
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| 10:37.30 | crilly | gedO: So they've taken Debian and, essentially, forked off a new distribution from it. |
| 10:37.36 | Kull | gedO: Yes, they are very similar, but there is difference between the package selections and versions. Ubuntu takes Debian and then tweaks it to make Ubuntu. Linux Minty takes Ubuntu and tweaks it. |
| 10:37.40 | Guest26467 | Anyone one want to know me in the room please? |
| 10:37.56 | Kull | Guest26467: what? |
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| 10:38.07 | crilly | Guest26467: Kull wants to know you. |
| 10:38.12 | crilly | He likes you. |
| 10:38.15 | crilly | hides |
| 10:38.42 | Guest26467 | Wow I am a Man all the way from Namibia |
| 10:38.48 | gedO | Okey, good to hear it :) Maiby someone in this chanel knows why whene I write user details in login screen an dres ENTER nothing hapens? |
| 10:38.51 | pieter__ | I have upgraded a lenny box to squeeze, now I want to merge an LV snapshot into it's original disk(something impossible in lenny because of the lvm version). I get the following error: "Can't expand LV muninkumina-disk0: snapshot target support missing from kernel?" dm_snapshot kernel module is loaded. How can I merge my snapshot onto the origin disk? |
| 10:39.13 | crilly | gedO: "user defaults"? Are you referring to GNUStep? |
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| 10:39.52 | gedO | I boot up MY PC, everything works fine, but whene I try to log in nothing hapens |
| 10:40.14 | Bushmills | gedO: that's a problem with your Ubuntu installation? |
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| 10:41.09 | gedO | This problem come out after isntalling gnome3. I tryed to find solution in UBUNTU chanel, bu nothing there, so I say maybi here I find something |
| 10:41.37 | Bushmills | gedO: "Ubuntu takes Debian and then tweaks it to make Ubuntu." --- debian doesn't know in detail what Ubuntu changes |
| 10:41.52 | Bushmills | make sure that the problem happens on ubuntu only, and not on debian |
| 10:42.12 | gedO | Bushmills: DAM UBUNTU |
| 10:42.19 | gedO | I mean dam gnome3 |
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| 10:43.28 | Bushmills | another happy customer etc etc |
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| 11:13.52 | ElDiabolo | How do I upgrade from debian 4 to 6. Is going through 5 recommended? |
| 11:15.11 | dorp | If by accident I: sudo rm /bin/bash ... is there any simple recovery? |
| 11:15.14 | ajikeshi | ElDiabolo, probably |
| 11:15.24 | ajikeshi | but easiest would be to start with a clean deb6 |
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| 11:16.51 | abrotman | ElDiabolo: you *really* should go through 5 .. going straight 4->6 hasn't been tested, who knows what will explode |
| 11:17.04 | abrotman | (and given all the udev/kernel things that changed, probably wouldn't be fun) |
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| 11:20.03 | CaneToad | I've just recently installed Debian 6.0.1... all good so far but the default font in use seems very large...what's the best way to shrink it? |
| 11:20.11 | abrotman | dorp: set your shell to something else, reinstall bash package? |
| 11:20.19 | abrotman | CaneToad: default font in what? |
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| 11:21.04 | CaneToad | abrotman: in use for the top menu, window titles, in gnome-terminal, in pidgin etc |
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| 11:21.47 | abrotman | so your gnome font? |
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| 11:22.03 | ajikeshi | CaneToad, higher screen resolution? :D |
| 11:22.20 | abrotman | somewhere, there's a utility to change the appearance of gnome and fonts,etc .. look through the System menu |
| 11:22.25 | dorp | abrotman: I'm afraid I don't currently have alternative to bash, and apt-get seems to fail: E: Failure running script /usr/bin/apt-listchanges --apt || test $? -ne 10 |
| 11:22.29 | abrotman | ajikeshi: have you ever used Debian? |
| 11:22.35 | abrotman | dorp: you don't have /bin/dash ? |
| 11:22.46 | ajikeshi | abrotman, no.. i use sco linux xD |
| 11:22.49 | CaneToad | abrotman: ok changed fonts from 10 to 8 in system/preferences/appearance |
| 11:22.53 | CaneToad | that's better |
| 11:22.53 | dorp | abrotman: Oh, thanks! |
| 11:22.58 | Kull | ajikeshi: sco linux? |
| 11:22.58 | abrotman | ajikeshi: please be quiet if you're not going to be helpful |
| 11:23.06 | ajikeshi | kk sry |
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| 11:23.13 | ajikeshi | ;) |
| 11:23.24 | Kull | ajikeshi: What is "sco linux"? |
| 11:23.31 | abrotman | Kull: drop it |
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| 11:23.41 | ElDiabolo | abrotman, Thx |
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| 11:23.51 | Kull | abrotman: Pardon? |
| 11:24.02 | ajikeshi | Kull, its kind of a bad joke |
| 11:24.02 | Kull | I didnt know asking questions was off topic here. |
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| 11:24.34 | ajikeshi | Kull, just search computer related news |
| 11:24.50 | ajikeshi | you ll find quickly why its not that liked :D |
| 11:25.29 | babilen | Kull: Asking the right questions certainly is not. This channel is solely for Debian support and there are better places (#defocus/#debian-offtopic/..) than this channel for off-topic chatter. |
| 11:25.30 | CaneToad | I had two problems with the install of 6.0.1: (1) the live cd install wrongly puts network interfaces into /etc/network/interfaces and that prevents the network manager managing them, and (2) the nouveau open source video driver for nvidia cooks the computer incredibly hot |
| 11:25.31 | GuySoft | hi all, my debian install here is around 10 years old. and the apt databse has grown huge with uninstalled obsolete packages (installing takes a few minutes just to search in the db). is there a way to clear it up? |
| 11:25.31 | ajikeshi | come to #debian-offtopic if you want to talk about it |
| 11:25.58 | CaneToad | I had to disable the open source nouveau video driver as it will damage the hardware as it gets so hot |
| 11:26.17 | Kull | babilen: and how the hell was I supposed to know his statement was off topic when we're in a damn Debian channel? I assumed it was Debian related. Are you people just being retarded for fun or do you not have work to do today? |
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| 11:27.28 | streuner | Kull: Sco Linux doesnt sound Debian related, does it? ;-) |
| 11:27.41 | abrotman | just drop it already .. |
| 11:27.51 | babilen | Kull: You couldn't know that and asking that question was fine, but any subsequent discussion would have been off-topic. Let's please not make this harder than it is, come to #defocus or #d-ot and we can talk whatever you want. All is good, :) |
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| 11:28.07 | Kull | streuner: not sure, I don't know what it is. What's so problematic about asking oen simple question? You guys are being unrealistic. |
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| 11:28.15 | Kull | Go read the Freenode catalyst guidelines |
| 11:28.19 | Kull | YOu need to. |
| 11:28.47 | ajikeshi | argh... what did i start :/ |
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| 11:43.31 | mOxim | how to create fs on lvm partition? |
| 11:43.39 | mOxim | ACTIVE '/dev/data1/lvhome' [20.00 GiB] inherit |
| 11:43.39 | mOxim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:44.25 | frostschutz | mkfs /dev/partition , lvm or not does not really matter |
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| 11:46.25 | mOxim | ok tnx |
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| 11:57.44 | onosendai | D4rKr0W: culattone |
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| 11:59.05 | ttiicc | Im having a laptop which freezez occassianlly, I think it might be the graphiccard! |
| 11:59.40 | ttiicc | could I check it up with dmesg? |
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| 12:03.00 | greg_72 | hi there, I'm trying to automatically install mysql from the command line. I did remote 'echo mysql-server-5.1 mysql-server/root_password password "darthvader" | sudo debconf-set-selections' |
| 12:03.00 | greg_72 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:04.04 | dorp | Anybody tried to compile bash from source, on Debian 6? http://pastebin.com/7aPhfKZ3 .. any hint? |
| 12:04.07 | ttiicc | anyone who's back from lunch? |
| 12:04.26 | ttiicc | would like to get an answer for my dmesg question |
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| 12:05.04 | abrotman | dorp: you still can't install it? |
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| 12:05.19 | abrotman | dorp: does the /bin/dash work as your shell? |
| 12:05.20 | dorp | abrotman: Now I'm actually trying to compile it, so it's not related to the previous issue |
| 12:05.26 | abrotman | oh okay .. ignore me then! |
| 12:05.40 | dorp | abrotman: /ignore abrotman!*@* :) |
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| 12:05.51 | dawud | ttiicc: have you checked /va/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 12:06.28 | macrobat | is there some other pkg update notification than apt-watch? |
| 12:07.13 | SPF | greg_72: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1000358 |
| 12:08.22 | abrotman | macrobat: cron-apt ? |
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| 12:08.44 | Iridos | hm, can ssh actually do port-forwarding to other hosts than the one you ssh into? I think syntax suggests it does, but I've never tried it (I.e. ssh into a NAT and forward a port from a machine different then the one you connected to) |
| 12:08.50 | jelly | Iridos: yes. |
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| 12:09.07 | Iridos | jelly, did you do that? |
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| 12:09.13 | jelly | Iridos: yes. |
| 12:09.36 | joltcan | -L and -R are nice to use for ssh |
| 12:09.38 | Iridos | that would be -L localport:hostbehindnat:hostport? |
| 12:10.52 | jelly | Iridos: if you're sshing to another host2behindnat sure |
| 12:10.54 | joltcan | Iridos: I recommend either reading the manfile or googling for SSH-forward since there are a number of neat features |
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| 12:11.52 | rgr | running debian stable : tmpfs - no space left on device. Where do I go from here? |
| 12:11.59 | Iridos | joltcan, I've been reading the manpage on that for years but still always get a little confused about -R and -L :) (also using -L for years) |
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| 12:12.06 | gedO | Hi. I want to ask you which architecture I shoul use if I hame PC with 4gb ram and intel centurio processor? |
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| 12:12.26 | Iridos | lemme try that... how could I not have played with that long ago :) |
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| 12:12.31 | jelly | rgr: look at "df" and "df -i" output and determine which fs is full. which command gives out that output? |
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| 12:12.56 | rgr | dpkg is falling over. according to df -h its tmpfs, |
| 12:12.56 | dpkg | rgr: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 12:13.17 | rgr | i use an lvm so want to step warily jelly |
| 12:13.50 | rgr | its mount on /lib/init/rw if that says anything |
| 12:13.54 | jelly | rgr: "tmpfs" is a filesystem TYPE. Figure out which filesystem (mountpoint) is giving you problems |
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| 12:14.19 | rgr | ^^ |
| 12:14.45 | jelly | rgr: pastebin the output of "df", "df -i", the exact command you ran and its whole output |
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| 12:15.33 | rgr | hmm, how do I copy from xterm? |
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| 12:15.37 | rgr | ;) |
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| 12:16.05 | Iridos | jelly, ha, amazing... so easy... and I never gave it any thought :) (well, didn't have any actual need to ever use it either) |
| 12:16.21 | jelly | rgr: just select with cursor (left mouse button), and paste the the selection with middleclick |
| 12:16.37 | babilen | gedO: That depends on the processor you have, you can probably use amd64 or i386 if your processor is indeed 64bit, whichd depends on its release date. Run "grep -w lm /proc/cpuinfo" to search for the corresponding cpu flag. If it is found I would recommend to choose amd64. |
| 12:16.44 | rgr | yeah thats what I thought - broken in emacs again. its ok, I'll do it in an emacs shell. brb. |
| 12:17.24 | cwillu_at_work | (is pastebinit commonly installed in debian?) |
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| 12:17.52 | rgr | jelly: whoops, is root after all. I'll paste bin in a sec. |
| 12:18.07 | rgr | (got my columns mixed up for a mo there) |
| 12:18.11 | jelly | rgr: or use pastebinit |
| 12:18.24 | rgr | never heard of that, will take a peek |
| 12:18.34 | babilen | gedO: The best idea (if you have ethernet internet connectivity) is probably to download the multi-arch netinstall image and try the amd64 architecture and if you run into problems with that you can easily fall back to i386 without having to download a different image. |
| 12:18.34 | Iridos | cwillu_at_work, commonly installed for all that ever wanted to pastebin stuff? |
| 12:18.50 | ayambit | in debian if i replace network card i get another name, "thanks" to uuid. eth0 becomes eth1 and so on. |
| 12:19.06 | ayambit | How do I _correctly_ rename network card back to eth0? |
| 12:19.22 | cwillu_at_work | Iridos, if it's typically installed by default, rgr can use it rather than mucking with emacs :p |
| 12:19.29 | babilen | !tell ayambit -about 70 |
| 12:19.29 | jelly | ayambit: /msg dpkg 70 |
| 12:19.35 | cwillu_at_work | is always looking to prevent people from inflicting emacs on themselves |
| 12:19.58 | ayambit | Ok. |
| 12:19.58 | greg_72 | SPF: I got my solutions exactly from there but now it does not work for some reason, and the shell variable thing did not help |
| 12:20.03 | ayambit | Thanks. |
| 12:20.16 | gedO | bubile, I have x64bit processor, so I wiill use amd64. Is that good? |
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| 12:21.14 | rgr | whats frustrating is this is the default root partition size for a stable install. pastebin coming. I'm guessing I might have to faff about with resizing lvm volumes now. aargh. Pasetbin : http://pastebin.com/WXtSxbSy |
| 12:21.34 | rgr | and I cleaned out old kernels. |
| 12:22.24 | babilen | gedO: If you were indeed trying to talk with me then yes, it is a good idea. :) |
| 12:22.45 | babilen | gedO: Try: bab<TAB> in your irc client ;) |
| 12:23.09 | jelly | rgr: just grow your / and resize the fs |
| 12:23.13 | gedO | babilen, thx for a tip :) Okey, going to download amd64 |
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| 12:23.32 | rgr | easier said than done when I cant download and expand a live dvd image |
| 12:23.51 | rgr | can I resize a lvm from running sys? |
| 12:23.52 | jelly | rgr: why do you need a live image? These are all online operations |
| 12:24.07 | jelly | that's exactly the point of using lvm |
| 12:24.14 | SPF | greg_72: I wouldn't know |
| 12:24.18 | SPF | can someone help greg_72 ? |
| 12:24.21 | rgr | not its not. its to allow multiple drives to comtribute to single images. |
| 12:24.32 | rgr | many people say you should never resize lvm "live". |
| 12:24.35 | rgr | or? |
| 12:24.39 | greg_72 | SPF: no problem |
| 12:24.44 | rgr | happy to be corrected here. |
| 12:24.45 | simonlnu | what? |
| 12:25.21 | jelly | rgr: I've never met those people. RHEL has supported online growth of LVs and ext[23] for at least 6 years now |
| 12:25.28 | babilen | gedO: You might be interested in the following factoids: /msg dpkg netinstall -- /msg dpkg installer firmware -- /msg dpkg firmware images |
| 12:25.32 | rgr | jelly: I trust you. |
| 12:25.39 | onosendai | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:25.43 | rgr | so I can run lbm manager now and resize it you think? |
| 12:25.45 | rgr | lvm |
| 12:25.50 | greg_72 | SPF: when run normally, apt-get install mysql asks for the root password three times. I guess I need a third line with debconf just not clear with that parameter |
| 12:25.58 | gedO | babilen, what is tthat? |
| 12:26.07 | jelly | rgr: lvresize -L 1G /dev/mapper/development-root |
| 12:26.49 | babilen | gedO: Those are commands you can type in your irc client. It will send a private message (/msg NICK) to our bot (dpkg) and ask it about "installer firmware" "firmware images" and "netinstall" :) |
| 12:26.51 | rgr | ok, but it needs to get the sapce from somewhere. do I shrink abother first? |
| 12:26.53 | simonlnu | gedO: type that in your client so the bot can tell you about those things |
| 12:27.12 | rgr | I guess I can nick a few gigs from develeopment-home |
| 12:27.14 | jelly | rgr: I assumed you had free space in that vg |
| 12:27.42 | rgr | if you have the resize to free a few gigs off the top of the head it'll help else I'll go rtfm. |
| 12:27.47 | jelly | rgr: which fs type are you using? Not all support shrinking. |
| 12:27.48 | simonlnu | always leaves a bit of space in a vg if he can Just In Case |
| 12:27.58 | rgr | ext3 |
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| 12:28.11 | greg_72 | SPF: debconf-get-selections | grep "^mysql-server" >mysql-server-sel.txt |
| 12:28.11 | greg_72 | The program 'debconf-get-selections' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: |
| 12:28.11 | greg_72 | sudo apt-get install debconf-utils |
| 12:28.20 | jelly | rgr: ext3 does, but it's an offline process (and less safe than growing) |
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| 12:28.30 | greg_72 | should do his homework |
| 12:28.32 | rgr | yeah, I thought so. |
| 12:28.44 | rgr | let me check the gui UI to see if there is any sapce free |
| 12:28.56 | SPF | greg_72: ah :) let me know if you get it to work :) |
| 12:29.00 | simonlnu | you were thinking of the filesystems with your earlier statement, i think |
| 12:29.11 | cwillu_at_work | I idly wonder if lvm will die a painful death if you add a loop'd file |
| 12:29.15 | rgr | oh hang on I have a shed load of free not in the lvm. |
| 12:29.19 | greg_72 | SPF: http://serverfault.com/questions/109304/how-do-i-specify-the-mysql-root-password-non-interactively-when-installing-via-ap |
| 12:29.24 | jelly | rgr: so you'd umount, fsck -f, shrink the filesystem using resize2fs to set it to a smaller size, and _only then_ shrink the underlying lv |
| 12:29.31 | GuySoft | hi all, my debian install here is around 10 years old. and the apt databse has grown huge with uninstalled obsolete packages (installing takes a few minutes just to search in the db). is there a way to clear it up? |
| 12:29.45 | rgr | eek |
| 12:30.05 | rgr | but I have some free. I'll add that and then grow root. |
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| 12:34.23 | rgr | well, that was easy. heh, forgot I added another sata drive a while back ;) |
| 12:34.26 | jelly | GuySoft: there's a number of ways to approach this. See eg. /msg dpkg not available; /msg dpkg deborphan; /msg dpkg debfoster |
| 12:34.31 | rgr | jelly: thanks |
| 12:34.52 | jelly | rgr: might be a good time to make a vgcfgbackup |
| 12:35.01 | GuySoft | jelly, the problem is not installed packages, its packages that just are in the databse |
| 12:35.08 | GuySoft | database* |
| 12:35.33 | jelly | GuySoft: oh! /msg dpkg available |
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| 12:36.52 | GuySoft | Information about 33530 packages was updated. - is that too many deb packages? |
| 12:36.54 | GuySoft | sounds better |
| 12:37.44 | GuySoft | i have 34,000 according to synaptic |
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| 12:39.55 | manchot | I ln -s a script to /etc/cron.daily, however, it is not run. |
| 12:40.09 | manchot | do I need to physically copy the file to make cron run it? |
| 12:40.16 | justin_ | manchot: what is the filename? |
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| 12:40.28 | manchot | automysqlbackup.sh -> /etc/automysqlbackup.sh |
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| 12:40.47 | manchot | ls -al produced: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 Apr 11 23:36 automysqlbackup.sh -> /etc/automysqlbackup.sh |
| 12:41.18 | justin_ | mv /etc/cron.daily/automysqlbackup{.sh,} |
| 12:41.19 | stew | manchot: the filename cannot have a period. see the filename restrictions in man run-parts |
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| 12:42.01 | manchot | I see. thank you. |
| 12:42.05 | jelly | if current debootstrap fails badly on RHEL5, do I file a bug? |
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| 12:43.57 | rgr | oh well, see you in a week. The resizing to 10 G for my root using the newly added space has crashed out half way through with an ioctl error. I'm guessing a restart will see a hosed drive. |
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| 12:46.34 | manchot | how to make changes to hostname immediately effective? |
| 12:46.44 | ElDiabolo | damn. Is there a way to get an 2.6-i386 kernel for etch ? |
| 12:46.56 | stew | manchot: run "hostname newhostname" |
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| 12:47.21 | stew | ElDiabolo: there are 486 kernels (since 386 isn't supported by etch) |
| 12:47.29 | stew | s/isn't/wasn't/... |
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| 12:47.54 | ElDiabolo | stew, Are there sources where I can download a deb? |
| 12:47.58 | manchot | stew, thank you. |
| 12:48.00 | stew | ElDiabolo: /msg dpkg etch sources.list |
| 12:48.02 | ElDiabolo | still? |
| 12:48.10 | ElDiabolo | Thx |
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| 12:51.15 | ElDiabolo | Actually I can't upgrade from etch without previously installing an etch 2.6 kernel. |
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| 12:51.54 | stew | it doesn't specifically have to be from etch, but iirc you really want to be running at least 2.6.18 |
| 12:52.05 | stew | the lenny release notes should tell you exactly what to do in chapter 4 |
| 12:52.45 | Furai` | Hi! |
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| 12:52.47 | stew | Ztripez: make the group the owner and chmod 2775? you probably want to ensure people are using a umask of 002 instead of 022 |
| 12:53.07 | stew | Ztripez: if you cannot ensure people are using the right umask, you might consider using extended acls |
| 12:53.55 | Ztripez | stew: i think umask would be no problem.. so i don't need the apache system user/group to be added? |
| 12:54.55 | stew | Ztripez: unless you have some specific need, you don't want the apache user/group (www-data) to have write access, as it can make an easier time for potential wrong-doers |
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| 12:55.33 | shrimpwagon | Partitioning 4 drives for RAID Linux |
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| 12:55.46 | Ztripez | stew . thats very true.. i think i'm just blinded myself with all the ldap fiddling ;P |
| 12:55.54 | jsnikeris | debian noob here. I'm getting the following, any ideas how I can resolve this: |
| 12:55.54 | jsnikeris | ibgtk2.0-dev: |
| 12:55.54 | jsnikeris | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:55.54 | jsnikeris | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:56.04 | shrimpwagon | Does one of the drives have to be partioned at 512 MB for reserved BIOS boot area for grub??? |
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| 12:56.43 | stew | jsnikeris: show us the output of 'apt-cache policy ibgtk2.0-dev libpango1.0-dev' ; use a pastebin |
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| 12:57.03 | nadar | Parsifal, fyi (in case you remeber me complaining about several missing things after fresh xfce-install): i installed anew /just for fun, isn't much work) and everything is fine. i guess due to a network outage during first install apt simply forgot some things... |
| 12:57.10 | babilen | I would expect that to actually be libgtk2.0-dev and not ibgtk2.0-dev :) |
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| 12:58.07 | alexbodn | hello friends |
| 12:58.08 | alexbodn | libreoffice segfaults on one of my computers, presumably because of a file access failure. could fileaccesses of one process, or failed file accesses during a time interval, be logged to be later analyzed? |
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| 12:59.15 | jsnikeris | http://paste.debian.net/116161/ |
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| 13:00.57 | stew | jsnikeris: we'd discourage you from trying to mix stable and testing (or with anything other than stable for that matter). Your problem is likely going to be related to this |
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| 13:01.18 | stew | jsnikeris: what version of libc6 is currently installed? |
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| 13:01.42 | stew | jsnikeris: what you might do is to try to install libpango1.0-dev and see why it cannot be installed (which might require recursing...) |
| 13:02.51 | stew | but most likely, you are going to find out that youa re asking it to install the stable version of libgtk2.0-dev, which it can no longer do because you've partially upgraded to testing, and there are conflicts |
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| 13:04.47 | gedO | Hey, how install debian form USB?? |
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| 13:05.14 | dvs | gedO: cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb |
| 13:05.20 | dvs | then boot from it. |
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| 13:05.39 | dvs | should really start using dd |
| 13:05.57 | gedO | dvs, OKey, will try |
| 13:06.14 | scoobertron | unetbootin is nice too |
| 13:06.24 | dvs | if it works |
| 13:07.14 | stew | gedO: of course, make sure /dev/sdb is actually your usb drive first |
| 13:07.44 | gedO | stew, sure |
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| 13:10.11 | manchot | my locale is LANG= |
| 13:10.12 | manchot | LC_CTYPE="POSIX" |
| 13:10.18 | manchot | how to make it en_US? |
| 13:10.30 | manchot | already configured and installed locales as en_US |
| 13:10.33 | dvs | !locales |
| 13:10.33 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 13:11.17 | manchot | dvs, I did su - now locale is changed. thank you |
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| 13:13.52 | manchot | how to downgrade Python 2.6 from squeez to 2.5? |
| 13:14.52 | simonlnu | you install 2.5 |
| 13:15.04 | stew | manchot: there isn't an easy way. python2.5 is installable alongside python2.6. if you have a script which requires python2.5 specifically (which should be a rarity), change the shebang to read #!/usr/bin/python2.5 |
| 13:15.07 | simonlnu | 2.6 can co-exist with 2.5 |
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| 13:16.07 | manchot | simonlnu, what is shebang? |
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| 13:16.35 | abrotman | #! shebang, hashbang |
| 13:16.37 | simonlnu | manchot: i didn't mention anything about a shebang. see what stew said |
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| 13:17.20 | stew | manchot: the first line of a script would typically be something like "#!/bin/sh" or "#!/usr/bin/env python". it tells the kernel what interpreter to use |
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| 13:17.32 | vanguard | how much space do I need approx. for a minimal unstable netinstall + LXDE/XFCE and Qt runtime? |
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| 13:18.12 | nadar | vanguard, i'll have a look (made one yesterday) |
| 13:19.23 | manchot | stew, I tried to run dropbox CLI in squeeze, but it only supports python < 2.5 |
| 13:19.57 | vanguard | nadar: thank you |
| 13:20.02 | nadar | vanguard, dang, i overread netinstall |
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| 13:20.14 | vanguard | nadar: does not really matter, I just need the ballpark |
| 13:20.16 | stew | vanguard: its probably in the neighborhood of a gigabyte |
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| 13:20.43 | onosendai | hello |
| 13:20.54 | onosendai | how can i check if logrotate daemon is running ? |
| 13:21.04 | vanguard | stew: okay, sounds good. Thanks |
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| 13:21.26 | stew | onosendai: its not a daemon, it runs via /etc/cron.daily/logrotate |
| 13:21.27 | onosendai | it stop works few weeks ago |
| 13:22.18 | nadar | i installed from xfce4-diskimage. plus i added some kde-stuff and other which is packaged sized 1 GB. overall the system uses 5,2 GB from which I'd draw off 1,5 GB for unzipped packages |
| 13:22.21 | nadar | ymmv... |
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| 13:23.21 | manchot | stew, I still didn't figured what to do |
| 13:23.51 | babilen | manchot: What are you trying to do? Why do you wanted to downgrade python? |
| 13:24.26 | stew | manchot: you probably don't want my recommendataions, which would be to ditch dropbox |
| 13:24.29 | manchot | babilen, dropbox CLI says" Python 2.x ⥠2.5 (we do not offer support for Python 3.0) " |
| 13:24.43 | onosendai | i have two strings on /etc/cron.daily/logrotate |
| 13:24.46 | onosendai | test -x /usr/sbin/logrotate || exit 0 |
| 13:24.47 | onosendai | /usr/sbin/logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf |
| 13:24.54 | stew | hah, does that mean they want python2.4? |
| 13:25.02 | manchot | stew, I am trying to backup a dir in a vps server |
| 13:25.09 | stew | manchot: i'd recommend using rsync |
| 13:25.13 | manchot | stew, do you have any suggestions? |
| 13:25.17 | onosendai | if i run the last one it works |
| 13:25.24 | onosendai | how is it possibile ? |
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| 13:25.35 | manchot | stew, but I don't have another serve to back it up |
| 13:25.44 | babilen | manchot: That means that you need a python version 2.5 ⤠YOUR_VERSION < 2.7 |
| 13:26.11 | babilen | err, s/2.7/3.0 |
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| 13:27.02 | stew | onosendai: "/usr/sbin/logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf" actually rotates logs? |
| 13:27.08 | onosendai | yes |
| 13:27.27 | stew | onosendai: does /etc/crontab containa cron.daily line? |
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| 13:27.31 | manchot | babilen, my mistake. When I run the script, I got: ImportError: /root/.dropbox-dist/netifaces-0.5-py2.5-linux-i686.egg/netifaces.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32 |
| 13:27.40 | shrimpwagon | stew: yes |
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| 13:27.54 | manchot | babilen, what does wrong ELF suggest? |
| 13:28.11 | babilen | manchot: 32bit/64bit mismatc |
| 13:28.13 | babilen | h |
| 13:28.21 | shrimpwagon | stew: it also has lines for monthly and weekly |
| 13:28.32 | manchot | babilen, how to tell if I am running 32 or 64? |
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| 13:28.51 | gedO | Guys, is there any good tutorial how to install debian from USB??? |
| 13:28.56 | babilen | manchot: "dpkg --print-architecture" |
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| 13:29.09 | dvs | gedO: the installation guide |
| 13:29.18 | simonlnu | gedO: /msg dpkg usb install |
| 13:29.19 | vanguard | if I just want a very simple sytem, does it make too much difference whether I choose XFCE or LXDE? |
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| 13:29.38 | manchot | babilen, which is strange: I am running 64bit, and dropbox is for 64bit |
| 13:29.40 | babilen | vanguard: Choose whatever you prefer. |
| 13:29.50 | manchot | and I am getting the mismatch error? |
| 13:30.03 | babilen | manchot: I don't know and don't care. Ask upstream about their software. |
| 13:30.04 | vanguard | babilen: I have never worked with XFCE, and five minutes with LXDE ⦠so I have no educated preference :-/ |
| 13:30.04 | onosendai | stew: thanks, i found some errors in /etc/crontab |
| 13:30.10 | akitada | is update-rc.d still the right way to disable x login in debian? |
| 13:30.38 | Bushmills | purging the display manager is another |
| 13:30.38 | babilen | vanguard: Both are fine, I can't tell you what you like. If I had to choose I would probably go with LXDE, but ymmv |
| 13:31.25 | vanguard | babilen: okay, then I just the one that is shown easiest in the debian installer :) |
| 13:31.32 | dawud | akitada, Bushmills : selecting an apropriate runlevel is yet another |
| 13:31.39 | babilen | !tell vanguard -about install lxde |
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| 13:31.52 | Bushmills | dawud: not without customising them first |
| 13:32.18 | babilen | vanguard: Or just get the XFCE/LXDE CD1 image. Note that you can also install LXDE and XFCE after the initial installation. |
| 13:32.30 | dawud | Bushmills: well, yeah. But it's another method :) |
| 13:33.07 | Bushmills | dawud: probably caught already by the "update-rc.d" way |
| 13:33.30 | vanguard | babilen: I already got the netinstall, as far as I have understood it, I can make it to whatever I like during the install |
| 13:33.51 | akitada | Bushmills, dawud: Thank you. I wanted to check my old debian-fu is still valid. It was once documented in Debian Reference but it seemed that part was dropped in some point so I thought there's newer way. |
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| 13:34.35 | stew | akitada: what command are you running with update-rc.d? |
| 13:34.43 | twobitsprite | hmm... lxde.org seems to spool blank pages... anyone else getting that? |
| 13:35.11 | ElDiabolo | Is there a way to tell aptitude to not remove the postgres-7.4 during a full upgrade? |
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| 13:35.31 | babilen | vanguard: yes, you can |
| 13:35.49 | akitada | stew: `update-rc.d -f <?>dm remove' ; `update-rc.d <?>dm stop 99 1 2 3 4 5 6 .' http://qref.sourceforge.net/quick/reference.en.txt |
| 13:36.02 | manchot | stew, babilen solved. thank you. (turns out I didn't remove the 32 bit version first) |
| 13:36.04 | vanguard | babilen: hah, so arch is not that special then :) |
| 13:36.27 | stew | akitada: looks good. (most people would erroneously just do the remove part) |
| 13:36.31 | cwillu_at_work | ElDiabolo, why does it want to remove it? |
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| 13:37.41 | akitada | stew: Hmm, seems I'm still getting gdm3 at boot. Weirld. |
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| 13:38.30 | ElDiabolo | cwillu_at_work, Don't know, probably for installing a 8.x version. |
| 13:38.36 | stew | akitada: is there an /etc/init.d/gdm3 instead of /etc/init.d/gdm? you might need to adjust your update-rc.d command |
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| 13:38.55 | cwillu_at_work | ElDiabolo, then you'd have to remove whichever meta-package is depending on the 8.x version |
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| 13:40.01 | akitada | stew: Yes, it's gdm3. and I did 'update-rc.d gdm3 stop 99 1 2 3 4 5 6 .' |
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| 13:40.17 | vanguard | I am in text installer and all it shows me is "graphical desktop environment", where can I specify that I want XFCE? Just leave it blank and install it later with apt? |
| 13:40.31 | akitada | having gdm login is not a that convenient when living with sid. |
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| 13:41.01 | ElDiabolo | cwillu_at_work, Thx. |
| 13:41.52 | simonlnu | vanguard: get the xfce cd? |
| 13:41.57 | babilen | !tell vanguard -about install xfce |
| 13:42.14 | babilen | vanguard: Read the factoid (and use the boot option) |
| 13:42.15 | stew | vanguard: when you boot the installer add "desktop=xfce" to the kernel command line, or use a xfce specific installer, or install it later |
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| 13:43.10 | stew | akitada: hmm, with sid an insserv, you might need the update-rc.d gdm3 disable thingy, i'm not sure |
| 13:43.35 | simonlnu | disable works ok |
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| 13:43.57 | vanguard | babilen: stew: yeah, nice option in the installer-boot-splash. Thanks! |
| 13:44.38 | manchot | if I hard link a directory, will the disk space be doubled? |
| 13:44.52 | simonlnu | you can't hard link dirs |
| 13:45.15 | nadar | can you hardlink a softlink to a dir? ^^ |
| 13:45.24 | akitada | stew: is that a new tool introduced recently? I didn't know that. |
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| 13:46.06 | akitada | stew: will check /usr/share/doc/insserv |
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| 13:47.35 | babilen | vanguard: You are welcome, enjoy! |
| 13:48.34 | Lobs | -fixed-vo -loop 60 |
| 13:50.26 | babilen | Lobs: How did it go yesterday? All fixed and an upgrade plan in place now? |
| 13:50.41 | dvs | the show went on? |
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| 13:51.05 | babilen | dvs: no idea, hence my question :) |
| 13:51.42 | dvs | I was asking him too. All I remember is him setting up a bunch of VCRs |
| 13:52.05 | babilen | yeah, that was the last thing i've heard as well' |
| 13:52.19 | babilen | anyway â #debian-offtopic |
| 13:52.30 | Lobs | yes show went on, i didnt manage to get it working before it was required, but while things were going i got it in a much better state, and by the end i had it working (tho it wasnt used) |
| 13:52.48 | Lobs | babilen: thanks for you help, it was very much appreciated. |
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| 13:53.32 | babilen | heh, You should probably upgrade it soon and get the original box into shape again. A "replacement" box is not usable if it is not maintained like the one it is meant to replace in the case of an emergency |
| 13:53.35 | suw | hello |
| 13:53.41 | babilen | Lobs: You are welcome :) |
| 13:54.03 | Lobs | babilen: yeah, just got etch working for now, will clone it and update things ;-) |
| 13:54.15 | babilen | Lobs: Good :) |
| 13:54.18 | Lobs | babilen: it's one of those things you forget about until you need it ;-) |
| 13:54.23 | suw | anyone know how can I resize the LVM VG? I've removed one partition from the disk and I would like to use the empty space in my lvm |
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| 13:55.08 | Lobs | babilen: but the old machine is toast, so will never work again, as i said the CPU and ram is fried, hdd wont spin anymore, one of the deocder cards from it just gets hot and causes any machine it is inserted in to not even get to the bios... |
| 13:55.33 | robokop | suw: vgextend |
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| 13:55.46 | dvs | Lobs: What fried it? |
| 13:55.55 | suw | I've removed /dev/sda4 which was 120Gb now I would like /dev/sda3 which is lvm to be bigger with 120G |
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| 13:56.08 | Lobs | dvs: no idea what the cause was, but the result was smoke from the power supply ;-) |
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| 13:57.00 | Lobs | dvs: have not botherd to pull the PSU apart and look for what went up in smoke. |
| 13:57.14 | dvs | ah |
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| 13:57.56 | suw | robokop: nope, vgextend adds psihical volume to VG. |
| 13:58.13 | Lobs | i am 99.9% sure the power source to the psu was good, it is on UPS's and other machines on the same phase has no issues.. |
| 13:58.25 | robokop | suw: make a pv of the free space and add it to your vg |
| 13:58.38 | Lobs | so must have just been some thing went in the psu, which made some rouge AC go thru the machine. |
| 14:00.04 | sKeiths | what is debian 6 codename? |
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| 14:05.29 | sKeiths | probably need more info, okay, i have a debian 6 cd which i am trying to install debian onto a laptop. during install i am prompted to find file ipw2200-bss.fw. when i browse the location in the user manual where i should find this file i am presented with codenames lenny sdi squeeze wheezy testing and unstable. i don't know which folder to go into |
| 14:05.32 | stew | sourcode: squeeze |
| 14:06.05 | sourcode | yeah, squeeze ! |
| 14:06.17 | stew | ups. |
| 14:06.22 | stew | sKeiths: 6.0 is squeeze |
| 14:06.24 | dvs | heh |
| 14:06.28 | sKeiths | thnak you very much |
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| 14:07.14 | dvs | sKeiths: are you trying to install it wirelessly? |
| 14:07.24 | sKeiths | from cd. |
| 14:07.28 | sKeiths | or dvd |
| 14:07.59 | dvs | sKeiths: which CD? CD-1? netinst? |
| 14:08.26 | sKeiths | debian-live-6.0.0-i386-kde-desktop.iso 1,054,720 KB |
| 14:08.28 | simonlnu | c) all of the above |
| 14:08.40 | dvs | \ok |
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| 14:11.44 | scoobertron | random question. any idea how long it might take to make a 2TB ext3 filesystem with mkfs.ext3 |
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| 14:12.37 | StefandeVries | scoobertron: a 1 TB ext3 filesystem took 15 minutes with me yesterday, on an external USB hard disk |
| 14:12.43 | dvs | scoobertron: formatting is about 15-20mins. |
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| 14:13.33 | scoobertron | awesome, thanks. |
| 14:13.41 | abchirk | \o/ |
| 14:14.35 | Iridos | if he asks a random question, does that mean he also wants random answers? |
| 14:15.05 | simonlnu | you need to configure it so that it won't crash on boot. |
| 14:15.29 | simonlnu | so you add option=yes to the conf file |
| 14:15.46 | simonlnu | random enough for you? ;) |
| 14:15.52 | Iridos | add deb http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates main contrib non-free to your sources.list |
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| 14:16.20 | simonlnu | hehe |
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| 14:16.38 | Iridos | well or what about that: |
| 14:16.39 | Iridos | 42 |
| 14:17.01 | erAbuelo | buenas |
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| 14:17.23 | simonlnu | Iridos: that is *THE* answer |
| 14:17.35 | mutante | trying to use "mylvmbackup". I need to configure an "lvname" (LVM logical volume) for the _origin_ of the backup. Then it is trying "lvcreate -s --size=3G --name=backup /dev/vg0/that_lvname".. if i use "root" i get "Logical volume "root" already exists in volume group "vg0"" ,if i use "data" i get "Couldn't find origin volume 'data'.". I dont get it, error on both, an existing one, and a none-existing one. Either complain about it already existing or ab |
| 14:19.06 | ecc | what determines the order in which update-desktop-database adds applications to /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache? For some reason it's putting gimp ahead of evince for PDF files and I'd like to fix it. |
| 14:19.23 | Iridos | simonlnu, are you saying it wasn't random enough?! |
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| 14:20.36 | Parsifal | nadar: Ah, cool, well I'm glad it's working for you now. :) |
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| 14:25.19 | shrimpwagon | someone please help me. I just installed Linux and comp halts on POST with just a blinking cursor |
| 14:25.35 | shrimpwagon | I have 4 @ 2TB hds that are RAID 5 |
| 14:25.55 | shrimpwagon | When I partitioned them I reserved 512 MB on each disc for reserved boot |
| 14:25.57 | dvs | shrimpwagon: Why is that a debian problem if it stops on POST? |
| 14:26.13 | abrotman | install linux? |
| 14:26.15 | shrimpwagon | sorry, because I am installing Debian squeeze |
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| 14:26.28 | shrimpwagon | dvs: remember me from yesterday |
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| 14:27.14 | shrimpwagon | when it went to install grub, it said it installed the master boot record on /dev/sda |
| 14:27.26 | shrimpwagon | which I assume woudl be SATA 1 on the mobo |
| 14:27.43 | shrimpwagon | That is the 1st boot drive setup on the mobo |
| 14:27.47 | shrimpwagon | but it is a nogo |
| 14:28.00 | sKeiths | i'm having trouble again with my install. I am now at the partitioning section of the installer. I have made screenshots but don't know how to upload them. there is no rcp or scp command. heres the disk scheme. sda1 ext3 (i'd like to install here) sda2 and sda3 are ntfs (hopeing installer will steer clear of these) sda5 swap. i am using gui install. i cannot figure out how to install debain onto sda1. whenever i try to proceed it say no root file sy |
| 14:28.08 | shrimpwagon | Was it a mistake to do a 512 MB reserve on each of the 4 drives? |
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| 14:28.25 | robinsmidsrod | I have a debian squeeze server that runs with text console only - what is the correct way to set a fast 800x600 text mode in both grub, the kernel and the console (after bootup)? |
| 14:28.41 | dvs | shrimpwagon: I use a separate disk for a boot drive for my RAID. |
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| 14:28.59 | babilen | robinsmidsrod: Look at /etc/default/grub and read the info document referenced in there |
| 14:29.05 | robinsmidsrod | grub seems to be the GRUB_GFX_MODE=800x600 in /etc/default/grub, but is the kernel setting still vga=xxx ? |
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| 14:29.36 | robinsmidsrod | babilen: I did that, but when I remove the "quiet" option, the kernel still boots in 80x25 mode |
| 14:29.36 | Iridos | ecc, I don't think the order in that file determines what program is used to open a certain file |
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| 14:30.00 | robinsmidsrod | grub did seem to boot in a gfx 800x600 mode, though |
| 14:30.17 | babilen | robinsmidsrod: No, you configure it in /etc/default/grub, but you also need to add GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep ... Please read the documentation |
| 14:30.53 | robinsmidsrod | babilen: is there more documentation than the one that is inline in /etc/default/grub? |
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| 14:31.45 | robinsmidsrod | babilen: there is no mention of GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX in my config file |
| 14:31.54 | babilen | robinsmidsrod: Isn't there a reference to "info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'" at the top of that file (in your version)? |
| 14:32.11 | robinsmidsrod | babilen: no info reference |
| 14:32.13 | ecc | Iridos: I'm pretty sure it does -- I followed it in strace |
| 14:32.22 | shrimpwagon | dvs: Weird, I guess /dev/sda is SATA 3 on the mobo. When I selected HD 3 as first priority it loaded grub |
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| 14:32.40 | babilen | robinsmidsrod: Ok, then you have it now. Sorry, I foolishly assumed that the reference would be in the squeeze version too. Excuse that mistake. |
| 14:32.47 | robinsmidsrod | babilen: but thanks for the pointer! |
| 14:32.54 | dvs | shrimpwagon: Put grub on all four drives |
| 14:32.55 | ecc | (and when I manually edited to put evince first, it works -- but that change gets overwritten whenever the desktop database is updated) |
| 14:32.56 | robinsmidsrod | babilen: it is in the ubuntu version? |
| 14:32.59 | sKeiths | i'm okay again. i deleted partiiotns and remade them, this helped as I could define it as / :) |
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| 14:33.30 | shrimpwagon | dvs: Ah, good idea but just because I don't know, what will that do for me? |
| 14:33.37 | babilen | robinsmidsrod: I have no idea what that file (if present) might look like on an Ubuntu box. |
| 14:33.41 | vanguard | my debian netinstall with xfce option just failed while installing software, giving me a red screen. what can I do? |
| 14:34.06 | dvs | shrimpwagon: it's going to find grub no matter what drive is found. |
| 14:34.18 | shrimpwagon | dvs: This is what I get now, GRUB loading. Welcome to GRUB! error: file not found. Entering resuce mode... grub resuce> |
| 14:34.35 | robinsmidsrod | babilen: okay - you said "in the squeeze version too", which made me assume that you had another distro based on debian |
| 14:35.14 | babilen | robinsmidsrod: No, I use Debian, just not squeeze |
| 14:35.15 | dvs | shrimpwagon: so you can type "e" and change the destination drive |
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| 14:35.24 | Iridos | ecc, for what application? |
| 14:35.29 | robinsmidsrod | babilen: okay - gotcha! |
| 14:35.56 | shrimpwagon | dvs: do I have to do this everytime it boots? |
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| 14:36.16 | shrimpwagon | dvs: Why did it do this? What file is it looking for? |
| 14:36.23 | dvs | shrimpwagon: Until grub is fixed properly |
| 14:36.42 | Iridos | ecc, it's in a different order for me... if you run the update with -v you see that it's influenced by its search-path at least |
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| 14:37.06 | dvs | shrimpwagon: I'm not sure. My boot drive is a separate drive from my RAID array. |
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| 14:38.06 | shrimpwagon | dvs: gotcha, how do I install grub on the other drives? Can I use the Debian install disc without going through all the install steps??? |
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| 14:39.00 | dvs | shrimpwagon: that's one way. boot up in rescue mode. |
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| 14:39.15 | Iridos | ecc, and I would have thought it should be the alternatives system that determines the application - there doesn't seem to be anything for pdf in /etc/apternatives, though |
| 14:39.59 | Iridos | (which is a bit surprising) |
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| 14:45.24 | ecc | I found the same issue reported in Red Hat's BTS. Apparently the mimecache.info doesn't imply an order -- applications are supposed to use a separate list to order preferences. The workaround is to use Nautilus and tell it "always open with this app". That creates an entry in ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list which works for Gnome at least. |
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| 14:46.04 | ecc | No way to make this system-wide, AFAICS |
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| 14:48.55 | Iridos | ecc, what program _is_ it you're using that uses that order? |
| 14:49.44 | shrimpwagon | dvs: You think GRUB isn't finding /boot because /boot is on /dev/md1 which is RAID ??? |
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| 14:50.14 | shrimpwagon | dvs: Should I have also reserved a few MBs for /boot on each of the disks |
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| 14:51.49 | Kobaz | are there any trace utilities for iptables... like i would like to run a tool where i can contruct a packet and see which rules it hits |
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| 14:52.13 | dvs | shrimpwagon: I'm not sure because I don't boot from a RAID array. |
| 14:52.30 | Craigwd_2000 | I have an issue with an official Debian Squeeze Kernel: the Kernel in question is 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64...: the ath9k Kernel Module has been historically quite buggy/glitchy according to numerous bugs filed against it on the kernel.org bug tracker...: before I go reporting bugs or asking someone for help I need to know if my Atheros AR9285 802.11n Wi-Fi card needs firmware that isn't currently available in Squeeze's free |
| 14:52.31 | Craigwd_2000 | non-free sections (due to how new the chipset/card is more than anything else...). For the record the Wheezy vanilla amd64 2.6.38-2 Kernel has ath9k related issues too the last time I was still running pure Wheezy/Testing... |
| 14:52.55 | shrimpwagon | dvs: I'm not exactly booting from RAID |
| 14:52.59 | jelly | is there a DB 1.85 dump tool in squeeze? |
| 14:53.24 | shrimpwagon | dvs: I'm booting from /dev/sda which has 512 MB reserved for system boot |
| 14:53.29 | dvs | Craigwd_2000: you don't need firmware, get a newer kernel. |
| 14:53.46 | shrimpwagon | dvs: however /boot is on / which IS on RAID |
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| 14:53.53 | dvs | shrimpwagon: so there's no RAID partitions on that drive? |
| 14:54.35 | sKeiths | grub installed 4 entries for brand new install , 2 are rescues, one is for 486 and other is 686. if i make changes in 486 will it change in 686? |
| 14:54.53 | shrimpwagon | dvs: I have 4 @ 2TB SATAs, I partitioned 512 MB for resereved boot on each of those, I then partitioned the remaining GBs on each of the drives for RAID |
| 14:54.56 | ecc | Iridos: any app in gnome that uses "open", for example "gnome-open" from the command line, or the open button in the download dialog window for iceweasel |
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| 14:55.26 | shrimpwagon | dvs: On the RAID, I am mounting / root file system |
| 14:55.45 | shrimpwagon | dvs: although I believe GRUB installed onto the reserved 512 MB of SATA 3 aka /dev/sda |
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| 14:56.03 | vanguard | how do I install XFCE on a "naked" netinstall install? |
| 14:56.47 | dvs | shrimpwagon: I don't know how to set up GRUB on that arrangement because you're trying to boot on a RAID device and I've never done that. |
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| 14:57.10 | Craigwd_2000 | Does anybody know if there are any Debian-ized 2.6.39-ish amd64 Kernels available...? I just want to avoid the missing .git folder kernel tarball unpacking issue when trying to build kernel debs from source... |
| 14:57.24 | karlpinc_ | jelly: I don't suppoer db4.8_dump is backwards compatible? (db4.8-utils) |
| 14:57.31 | jelly | karlpinc_: it's not |
| 14:57.59 | jelly | ,kernels --arch amd64 |
| 14:58.00 | judd | (kernels [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
| 14:58.04 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 14:58.06 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.39-rc5-686-pae (2.6.39~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-4); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
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| 14:58.23 | karlpinc_ | vanguard: aptitude install xorg xfce4 |
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| 14:59.45 | karlpinc_ | vanguard: Since you seem to be new the <overview> factoid might be of general help. |
| 14:59.50 | karlpinc_ | !tell vanguard about overview |
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| 15:00.31 | mst | whose is LinRtx ? |
| 15:00.40 | jelly | Craigwd_2000: yeah, there's an linux-image-2.6.39-rc5-amd64 in experimental for amd64 arch as well |
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| 15:00.55 | stew | mst: what od you mean? |
| 15:01.12 | mst | stew: I was assuming it's a bot |
| 15:01.17 | mst | since it's /version-ing everybody on join |
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| 15:01.40 | jelly | mst: version it back! |
| 15:01.45 | mst | yeah, says irssi |
| 15:01.47 | themill | LinRtx: please don't do that. |
| 15:01.48 | mst | doesn't prove anything |
| 15:01.48 | stew | LinRtx: are you there? |
| 15:01.48 | bhankins | Which debian port should I use for SMP Xeons with > 3gig RAM, is that ia64 or amd64? |
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| 15:02.12 | karlpinc_ | !tell bhankins about why amd64 |
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| 15:03.02 | nevyn | bhankins: amd64 |
| 15:03.04 | bhankins | Thanks karlpinc_ . |
| 15:03.21 | bhankins | !tell bhankins about why ia64 |
| 15:03.30 | bhankins | Thanks nevyn. |
| 15:03.42 | karlpinc_ | !tell bhankins about dpkgbot |
| 15:03.48 | mst | *poof* |
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| 15:03.49 | karlpinc_ | !tell bhankins about overview |
| 15:04.08 | Iridos | ecc, that doesn't use the first program listed for pdf in my /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache (which is gpdftext), but instead uses xpdf (which is my preferred client) I might have configured that at sometime, but cannot exactly recollect where (perhaps in chromium or another app that honors gnome settings) |
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| 15:05.19 | vanguard | okay, I installed the xfce4 package, how do I get a graphical login screen on boot? |
| 15:05.46 | jelly | Iridos: /etc/mailcap.order ? |
| 15:05.50 | Yop | Hello, I tried debian in VirtualBox (without specific virtualization packages) and now I would like to have the same stuffs on my laptop where I Installed a fresh Debian stable on it. Is there a way to know wich packages are installed on the VM and have them (and only them) on the laptop ? |
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| 15:06.50 | karlpinc_ | vanguard: You need to install some sort of *dm. xdm, kdm, gdm3, slim. Whichever you like. You may also want to use "aptitude -R" to do the install. (man aptitude) |
| 15:06.55 | ecc | Iridos: right, each application (or desktop environment, ideally) is supposed to implement its own way of determining preferred apps. Blech. |
| 15:06.57 | vanguard | Yop: dpgk --get-selections |
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| 15:06.59 | babilen | !tell Yop -about aptitude clone |
| 15:07.30 | Yop | tx vanguard & babilen. I'll look that. |
| 15:07.49 | akitada | stew: update-rc.d gdm3 disable worked fine. Thank you. |
| 15:08.07 | babilen | Yop: Please do, if you are unsure about the differences, it basically boils down to the handling of manually/automatically installed packages. |
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| 15:09.05 | babilen | vanguard: You probably want to install one of the graphical login managers such as gdm3, kdm, xdm or gdm |
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| 15:10.34 | vanguard | karlpinc_: babilen: xdm works like a charm. Thanks! |
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| 15:11.59 | babilen | vanguard: Ah, I completely missed karlpinc_'s response and essentially repeated the same information :) |
| 15:12.47 | vanguard | babilen: okay, as a side effect I think I now understood that gnome and gdm are not connected, just *usually* installed together |
| 15:12.55 | babilen | exactly |
| 15:13.26 | vanguard | one day I will fully understand how X-Server, greeter, WM, DE, ⦠works together and are seperated ⦠:) |
| 15:13.52 | vanguard | I am rather the Ubuntu guy, but I really like the clean installation Debian gave me |
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| 15:14.14 | vanguard | 1.3 GB vs. 7 GB on / is a difference :D |
| 15:14.15 | babilen | vanguard: wonderful, just ask if you have questions :) |
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| 15:15.16 | whoever | is there a vuescan package for debian? i tried aptitude but incase i am missing something |
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| 15:15.39 | petemc | vuescan isnt free? |
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| 15:16.04 | whoever | petemc: i am aware of that i have a lic |
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| 15:16.20 | vanguard | whoever: I guess you will not find a package if it is not free |
| 15:16.32 | vanguard | whoever: at least not in the official debian repo |
| 15:17.33 | manchot | what is the location for apache2.pid file in squeeze? |
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| 15:17.47 | justin_ | manchot: why? |
| 15:18.03 | manchot | *where.. |
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| 15:18.08 | petemc | manchot: /var/run/ |
| 15:18.17 | manchot | justin_, trying to use monit to monitor apache service |
| 15:18.29 | whoever | vanguard: thx what repo or ftf do i need to add or what do i need to do to have access to nonfree software i set it up durring the install |
| 15:19.06 | manchot | petemc, ls: cannot access /var/run/apache2.pid: No such file or directory |
| 15:19.12 | vanguard | whoever: on Ubuntu, Skype is in a "Partner" part of the repo, debian has some "non-free" I think. But maybe you have to download it without the package management |
| 15:19.30 | vanguard | whoever: I have Maple 10 (you have to buy it), and it only comes with a CD to install, no repo or package |
| 15:19.42 | justin_ | manchot: is apache2 actually running? |
| 15:20.05 | whoever | vanguard: thx |
| 15:20.31 | nevyn | vanguard: non-free does not include skype. |
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| 15:20.47 | nevyn | you need to install the .deb from the skype website. |
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| 15:21.12 | kerNULL_ | is there an advantage of running debian versus a distribution based off of debian |
| 15:21.16 | vanguard | nevyn: okay, in Ubuntu you have a skype.deb. But right, debian is even stricter with that |
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| 15:21.31 | vanguard | kerNULL_: debian is not littered with comercial stuff like Ubuntu One and so |
| 15:21.50 | vanguard | kerNULL_: and it probably has a huge user base compared to Knoppix, (Ubuntu) or Mint |
| 15:22.05 | babilen | kerNULL_: Please read the information linked in: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 15:22.13 | kerNULL_ | thanks |
| 15:22.37 | Iridos | jelly, guess you're right... tell it to ecc :) |
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| 15:22.57 | stew | we would probably include skype in non-free if we could legally, but its not legal for us to redistribute it |
| 15:23.21 | babilen | kerNULL_: A major advantage of using Debian is certainly also the fact that you get support in #debian ;-D |
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| 15:23.23 | karlpinc_ | !tell whoever about overview |
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| 15:23.50 | vanguard | I have version X of foo in stable, how can I find out which version is in sid? |
| 15:24.00 | justin_ | vanguard: packages.debian.org |
| 15:24.22 | kerNULL_ | babilen: haha, im used to freebsd (server not desktop) and wanted to try linux on the desktop, i got ubuntu and was wondering why not use the original |
| 15:24.28 | stew | vanguard: rmadison packagename (from the devscripts package) |
| 15:24.45 | stew | or apt-cache madison packagename |
| 15:25.00 | kerNULL_ | i guess i was just worried that it would require more work than i wanted to put into it |
| 15:25.01 | stew | uhh, apt-cache madison will probably not for you |
| 15:25.04 | vanguard | justin_: hmm, it is the same in all three ⦠|
| 15:25.24 | justin_ | vanguard: are you looking at the metapackage or the actual server package? |
| 15:25.45 | justin_ | stew: that's only going to help if one has sid in their apt sources |
| 15:25.59 | karlpinc_ | kerNULL_: Debian has a reputiation for difficulty becuase the distro itself contains only free software. So you need to enable other repos to get "other stuff". Some find that hard. |
| 15:26.08 | karlpinc_ | !tell kerNULL_ about overview |
| 15:26.11 | stew | justin_: yeah, for apt-cache madison, rmadison will work though |
| 15:26.16 | vanguard | kerNULL_: ubuntu is very nice, but I think they are going in the OS X direction lately |
| 15:26.22 | vanguard | justin_: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=python-camelot&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 15:26.29 | babilen | kerNULL_: We are here to help and it certainly depends on your needs. I would try Debian and if you don't like it or miss something we can either help you to implement your idea or you use one of Debian's derivatives. Choice is a good thing, but choices are hard to make if you don't really know the alternatives. :) |
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| 15:27.14 | vanguard | kerNULL_: you can always try it in a VM |
| 15:27.22 | kerNULL_ | ya thats what i was thinking about doing |
| 15:27.30 | karlpinc_ | kerNULL_: If you're using freebsd you won't have a problem typing a line into a file to enable other repos. |
| 15:27.42 | kerNULL_ | karlpinc_: ya im not to worried about that |
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| 15:28.12 | ecc | Iridos, jelly: no, gnome apps don't respect the /etc/mailcap.order |
| 15:28.26 | karlpinc_ | kerNULL_: Interesting in firewalling? |
| 15:28.39 | karlpinc_ | s/ing/ed/ |
| 15:28.42 | twobitsprite | ugh... vbox keeps jumping to my active desktop whenever it reboots or changes resolution.... any suggestions as to how to jail it to a particular desktop? |
| 15:28.43 | kerNULL_ | karlpinc_: why do you ask |
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| 15:29.06 | justin_ | twobitsprite: depends on the window manager you are using |
| 15:29.09 | babilen | kerNULL_: There is also Debian/kFreeBSD if you want a freebsd kernel with gnu userland :) |
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| 15:29.26 | twobitsprite | justin_: sorry, compiz in gnome |
| 15:29.33 | karlpinc_ | kerNULL_: I find iptables a bit awkward to work with. The ferm or shorwall packages provide a nice layer on top. (I prefer pf, but I'm not sure about using it on Linux.) |
| 15:29.37 | kerNULL_ | babilen: freebsd has everything i need in the ports collection |
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| 15:29.47 | twobitsprite | from wheezy |
| 15:30.10 | babilen | kerNULL_: Just wanted to let you know that you are not restricted to using a Linux kernel with Debian. |
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| 15:30.17 | karlpinc_ | kerNULL_: I believe you'll find Debian has a lot more binaries available. (Although if you have what you want why switch?) |
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| 15:30.56 | kerNULL_ | babilen: i heard about the other freebsd but like im struggling with now, why go with a derivative |
| 15:31.05 | sKeiths | thanks for your support #debian i am all up and running dual boot on my laptop :) |
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| 15:31.09 | karlpinc_ | kerNULL_: What are you looking for? Why switch? |
| 15:31.40 | kerNULL_ | karlpinc_: i dont like unity and everythime i install gnome3 with ubuntu things go crazy |
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| 15:32.21 | karlpinc_ | kerNULL_: Well Debian stable is just that. Stable. It does not change except for security reasons. But why not freebsd? |
| 15:32.48 | karlpinc_ | kerNULL_: (As the overview factoid says, if you want newer stuff on Stable there's ways to do that.) |
| 15:32.58 | babilen | kerNULL_: I think we are rather interested in your reasons for not installing FreeBSD on your desktop machine, so we address those problems and assess if switching to Debian is justified. If you are interested in Debian you are, however, very welcome to test it. |
| 15:33.01 | kerNULL_ | karlpinc_: i use freebsd on my server and its time consuming to use the ports tree and the pkgs are old |
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| 15:33.48 | kerNULL_ | freebsd packages are missing basic features wich makes you resort to using the ports tree |
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| 15:34.06 | kerNULL_ | for instance serverside if you install php packages you dont get the php mod for apache |
| 15:34.17 | karlpinc_ | kerNULL_: The package system is nice. You will want to enable backports.debian.org to get newer stuff in Stable. Or you could run sid or testing, some prefer that but I prefer to have my box work _always_. |
| 15:34.18 | kerNULL_ | thus you have to build from ports |
| 15:34.28 | babilen | ok, well. If I were you I would just install Debian and come here if you have problems or are unsure how to achieve a specific goal. |
| 15:34.36 | karlpinc_ | Agreed. |
| 15:35.06 | kerNULL_ | ill probably do VM first... but i doubt i have issues getting past the install (: |
| 15:35.47 | cosmodad | I'd like to build a single Debian package for a bunch of Python modules I created. What's the preferred way to do this? Should I first build a nice source distribution and then wrap a Debian package around it? |
| 15:35.51 | kerNULL_ | id really like to use freebsd but the thought of keeping latest releases using the ports tree makes me feel like i would be spending my life compiling |
| 15:35.52 | babilen | kerNULL_: Are you aware of the different installation options (netinstall, netboot, cd1, dvd1) the ways to deal with firmware issues and the installation guide? |
| 15:35.59 | twobitsprite | karlpinc_: people shouldn't be "running sid" |
| 15:36.00 | karlpinc_ | kerNULL_: Some come here with VM related problems. It does introduce another level of things to go wrong but I imagine we only see the problem side. I don't know how real these problems are. |
| 15:36.19 | karlpinc_ | twobitsprite: Some do. Because packages get fixed faster there than in testing. |
| 15:36.41 | twobitsprite | karlpinc_: what you should do in that case is run testing and pull individual packages from sid as needed |
| 15:36.47 | kerNULL_ | karlpinc_: makes sense |
| 15:36.52 | babilen | cosmodad: The preferred way is to package them for the cheeseshop first and then use dh_python2 for the Debian packaging |
| 15:37.01 | kerNULL_ | babilen: ya i figure id read through the install docs |
| 15:37.02 | jhutchins_lt | New users, new to Debian, specifically should not be running sid. |
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| 15:37.23 | karlpinc_ | twobitsprite: Dunno. I don't use sid or testing, but plan to setup experimenal in a vm one of these days. |
| 15:37.40 | babilen | cosmodad: You might want to ask this in #debian-mentors or #debian-python on irc.oftc.net though as they are much more likely to advise you on the way to properly package your tools. |
| 15:37.54 | cosmodad | babilen: ok thanks! |
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| 15:38.25 | babilen | kerNULL_: Have fun and welcome to the Debian community :) |
| 15:38.33 | kerNULL_ | thank you guys for your help |
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| 15:38.50 | karlpinc_ | kerNULL_: Having packaged binaries is good. Apt, the package system, is great. |
| 15:39.04 | kerNULL_ | karlpinc_: from what ive seen in deabian its a whole lot nicer than pkg_add (= |
| 15:39.14 | kerNULL_ | sorry seen in ubuntu |
| 15:39.45 | kerNULL_ | and a whole lot quicker than make in /usr/ports (: |
| 15:39.55 | karlpinc_ | kerNULL_: Sadly, the full docs for aptitude are in html. /usr/share/doc/aptitude/.... |
| 15:40.13 | babilen | w3m/lynx can still display them nicely :) |
| 15:40.16 | karlpinc_ | whooops /usr/share/doc/aptitude-doc/.... |
| 15:40.34 | karlpinc_ | babilen: Yes. But it's annoying anyway. Or I find it so. |
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| 15:40.40 | babilen | agreed, but still |
| 15:40.41 | kerNULL_ | well i got to run, thanks again for the help and ill see you when i run into issues... providing i have internet access (= |
| 15:40.49 | Iridos | actually, I would like to see better support for using source packages |
| 15:40.52 | kerNULL_ | later guys |
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| 15:41.04 | babilen | kerNULL_: In that case: Hope not to see you again! (although you are always welcome here) |
| 15:41.11 | kerNULL_ | haha |
| 15:41.31 | karlpinc_ | Iridos: What do you mean? |
| 15:41.50 | stevieman | is anyone here using xdmcp and Xming? I had everything working great until I had to shutdown, now I can connect with Xming but I do not get a login window. Nothing has changed in the gdm3 daemon config. |
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| 15:43.15 | karlpinc_ | stevieman: Perhaps you made a change and didn't restart gdm3 and now it's picked up the change at reboot? ?? |
| 15:43.54 | stevieman | karlpinc_: it's possible but it looks the same and the stuff I worte down in my notes |
| 15:44.05 | karlpinc_ | stevieman: What do you mean "connect with Xming"? |
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| 15:45.47 | b0nghitter- | i have lenny, which i dont want upgraded to queeze yet, and i have been checking aptitude for security updates etc, but there have been no updates for quite a while now. |
| 15:46.00 | Iridos | karlpinc_, beginning with getting rid of "packages with the same version number in the repo have precedence over installed ones" over being able to automatically track single packages in their source with a modification up to the point where you have program resolving dependencies and deciding what libraries need to be backported, too, when you backport something that gets a little more complex |
| 15:46.10 | karlpinc_ | b0nghitter-: Don't worry about it. Lenny is still supported. |
| 15:46.32 | stevieman | karlpinc_: I use Xming to connect via XDMCP to my Debian server, I get the Xming window, the normal desktop I always got before, I get the X cursor and then nothing happens. Normally the select a user window would popup, and then I can login and get the full desktop |
| 15:46.35 | b0nghitter- | karlpinc_: ok thanks |
| 15:46.53 | vanguard | just tried "sudo â¦" :D |
| 15:47.04 | cheater_ | in debugfs, can someone help me figure out what the max number of parameters is that you can use for the icheck command? |
| 15:47.21 | karlpinc_ | stevieman: Sounds like you're not really connecting with xdmcp. Does "netstat -tl" say the port is listening? |
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| 15:48.09 | karlpinc_ | stevieman: There are probably clues in the logs. I always have to poke xdmcp with a stick to get it to work and then leave it along and forget about it. I've not yet migrated from gdm to gdm3. |
| 15:48.19 | karlpinc_ | s/along/alone/ |
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| 15:49.29 | karlpinc_ | Iridos: As for the first, if it's a different package it should have a different name/version. There's provision in the versioning system for your own numbering. Or you could just put the package on hold. |
| 15:49.52 | stevieman | karlpinc_:hmm I don't see gdm3 or XDMCP in netstat list |
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| 15:50.38 | karlpinc_ | stevieman: You have 2 gdm3 instances? One for the monitor on the box and one for remote? (Thats how I did it with gdm.) |
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| 15:51.19 | austin987 | I just installed debian testing (wheezy) in qemu, and not getting any network connection on first run (install worked fine). Looking at the boot log, it appears /run is read-only when udev attempts to create the /run/udev/rules.d directory. known bug? |
| 15:51.21 | karlpinc_ | stevieman: Perhaps your second instance didn't start? (I don't even know if you have to do that with gdm3 -- have two instances.) |
| 15:52.14 | karlpinc_ | Iridos: As for the rest, ok. I'm not qualified to comment. |
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| 15:52.30 | stevieman | karlpinc_: I don't remember starting a second instance, I added the required lines to /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf, restarted gdm3 and I was good to go |
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| 15:53.16 | karlpinc_ | stevieman: Can you see if there's some difference in the log output? (I can't say what log to look at. :-( |
| 15:53.21 | Iridos | karlpinc_, yes, I know one can (must) do that - but if you just change one compile option it really is the same package and I don't see why you should have to change version... anyway, I don't see a real reason why the package of the same repo should have precedence either... maintainers should _never_ upload a new package with the same version to the repo |
| 15:54.01 | karlpinc_ | Iridos: So if we ask you here what version it is we can tell that it's not stock? |
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| 15:54.31 | Iridos | hm, maybe |
| 15:54.52 | karlpinc_ | stevieman: If you started a second instance you'd know. Perhaps the problem is that you're already logged in with gdm3? Maybe it'll start listening if you log out? |
| 15:55.31 | babilen | !tell austin -about udev 620995 |
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| 15:57.01 | babilen | austin987: Please read the private message sent by dpkg and the bug reports/discussions referenced in there as the proposed solution might be a bit dated. It should work with the recent udev version in wheezy (if I understood marco d'itri correctly) but you could also try the udev version in sid. Removing /run will get you a working system though. |
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| 15:57.22 | karlpinc_ | babilen: FYI, you sent the pm to austin, not austin987. |
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| 15:57.36 | babilen | !tell austin987 -about udev 620995 |
| 15:57.42 | babilen | karlpinc_: thanks for noticing :) |
| 15:57.57 | austin987 | babilen, thanks! |
| 15:58.20 | stevieman | karlpinc_:arg none of the gdm3 logs have dates or times for the entires |
| 15:58.41 | Iridos | and we'll just assume austin was interested as well ;) |
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| 16:00.11 | babilen | austin987: You just have to make sure that you complete the /run+udev+initscripts transition in due course, so pay attention to applicable bugs, the debian-{devel,devel-announce,-release} mailing lists and the changelog of packages. You probably want to make sure that you have apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges installed on your system. |
| 16:00.36 | stevieman | Does this make any sense: (polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1:17572): polkit-gnome-1-WARNING **: Error enumerating temporary authorizations: Remote Exception invoking org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Authority.EnumerateTemporaryAuthorizations() on /org/freedesktop/PolicyKit1/Authority at name org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1: org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: Cannot determine session the caller is in |
| 16:00.47 | austin987 | babilen, sure, it was a fresh install, never really had a chance to prevent broken upgrades :) |
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| 16:01.11 | babilen | austin987: Which is why you should have installed stable and upgraded to wheezy afterwards. :) |
| 16:01.41 | austin987 | hehe |
| 16:01.44 | Iridos | bit difficult if you need the newer kernel, though |
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| 16:01.55 | Iridos | are there already kmuto images for squeeze? |
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| 16:02.20 | babilen | Iridos: .38 is in backports |
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| 16:02.28 | Iridos | hm... actually... that guy was in Japan... hopefully not in the eastern parts |
| 16:02.55 | jhutchins_lt | Iridos: Not yet. |
| 16:03.10 | Metus | is away: universidad |
| 16:03.12 | Iridos | babilen, yes... but doesn't help you if your wireless AND your wired network cards are so newfangled that they only run with 2.6.38 |
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| 16:04.24 | stew | Iridos: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
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| 16:05.17 | Iridos | hm, yes, I see |
| 16:05.37 | austin987 | babilen, # mv /run /run.bak and reboot fixed it, thanks |
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| 16:18.11 | abrotman | install linux? |
| 16:18.16 | abrotman | bad up key! |
| 16:19.47 | stew | yes |
| 16:19.50 | stew | i don't know |
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| 16:23.14 | cheasee | does anybody have experience with traverse two-port adsl2+ card? its an atm device and ive read it can be configured via a virtual network device using 8139cp but after loading it doesnt show any (additional) interface |
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| 16:23.58 | LetterRip | i'd like to build blender on debian - which requires quite a few packages that are more up to date than squeeze, what is the recommended way to do this (ie i need python 3.2, and also libx264-dev, libmp3lame-dev) |
| 16:24.08 | LetterRip | ok not 'quite a few' :) |
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| 16:30.10 | jelly-home | cheasee: no 8139cp ethX appears? |
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| 16:35.05 | Kull | LetterRip: blender is in the repos if you dont *need* to compile it yourself. |
| 16:35.11 | Kull | sudo apt-get install blender |
| 16:35.54 | Iridos | only if sudo isconfigured |
| 16:36.31 | Kull | su; apt-get install blender |
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| 16:37.10 | Iridos | ha, now that wouldn't work, ever (as apt-get would only run after su exits) |
| 16:37.12 | metalfan_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.12 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Kull about why aptitude |
| 16:37.14 | Iridos | :-P |
| 16:37.42 | jelly-home | Kull: there, now I guess we nitpicked that simple command to the full extent possible |
| 16:37.55 | Iridos | !rc.local |
| 16:37.55 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is regarded as a hack, consider writing a real init script instead, ask me about <init.d>. |
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| 16:38.20 | Iridos | jelly-home, nah... there must be SOMETHING more we must be able to criticize |
| 16:38.36 | jelly-home | Iridos: your mom's face! |
| 16:38.52 | Kull | dpkg -i blender.deb ? |
| 16:38.52 | dpkg | removes a kidney from kull and replaces it with blender.deb |
| 16:39.10 | jelly-home | heh, even the bot does it |
| 16:39.11 | Iridos | sounds painful |
| 16:39.15 | Iridos | hehe |
| 16:39.54 | roe | I need a bit of bash-fu. How do I diff the head -n 4 of two files? |
| 16:40.27 | Kull | man diff |
| 16:41.03 | Riviera | roe: diff <(head -n 4 file1) <(head -n 4 file2) |
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| 16:43.01 | roe | Kull, the man page does not specify how to feed the output of head as the input of each file |
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| 16:43.49 | Kull | submit a man page patch to the FSF with the info you needed, im sure they would love it. |
| 16:44.01 | Iridos | no, it's a real bash construct... but you should have asked in #bash, you were lucky one of them was lurking here :) |
| 16:45.10 | jelly-home | Kull: it might be perhaps better to keep quiet than RTFM someone if you don't know the answer and if it's not trivial |
| 16:45.15 | stew | Kull: its already in the manpage |
| 16:45.24 | stew | Kull: oh, but you told him the wrong manpage |
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| 16:46.03 | Iridos | Kull, man bash\n/Process Substitution |
| 16:46.18 | Iridos | did I say that twice now? reconnect-galore |
| 16:46.29 | jelly-home | not here you didn't |
| 16:46.48 | Iridos | phew... good for me :) |
| 16:47.36 | jelly-home | FSF uses texinfo for docs anyway, not man pages |
| 16:48.09 | Iridos | hehe... hard to stop the nitpicking once you started, eh? It's a bit like peanuts, really |
| 16:48.51 | jelly-home | I got a cheese cake so I need some whine with it |
| 16:49.11 | Iridos | eye sea |
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| 16:51.00 | olspookishmagus | does anyone know whether Debian Live [1] comes with forensics tools, such as: chkrootkit, debsums and so on? [1] http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/ |
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| 16:51.45 | Jarvis | olspookishmagus: i doubt it will come with them preinstalled |
| 16:52.13 | olspookishmagus | Jarvis: so the idea is that you fetch them as needed? so it isn't suitable for checking offline systems |
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| 16:52.53 | Jarvis | olspookishmagus: unfortunately i dont know enuogh about the cd to know either way |
| 16:52.56 | Jarvis | *enough |
| 16:53.25 | olspookishmagus | Jarvis: your doubts meet mine, that's enough to me |
| 16:53.30 | jelly-home | olspookishmagus: grml.org default (700MB) image has chkrootkit |
| 16:54.18 | jelly-home | olspookishmagus: http://grml.org/files/ has its dpkg --get-selections |
| 16:54.33 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 16:54.33 | olspookishmagus | BackTrack 5 gets released in 5 days [1], so for now I'll just get myself a Deft [2] image [1] http://www.backtrack-linux.org/backtrack/backtrack-5-release-tool-suggestions/ [2] http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=deft |
| 16:56.01 | olspookishmagus | jelly: thanks, wasn't aware of this, I might need it in the future, but I will still go for Deft since it has been released more recently |
| 16:56.04 | LetterRip | Kull - blender 2.57b isn't in the rpos afaik |
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| 16:56.14 | LetterRip | and i do need to compile blender since i develop it :) |
| 16:56.32 | jelly-home | ,versions blender |
| 16:56.32 | judd | Package blender on i386 -- lenny: 2.46+dfsg-6; squeeze: 2.49.2~dfsg-2+b2; squeeze-multimedia: 2.49.2~dfsg-2.1; wheezy: 2.56.1-beta-svn34076-1; sid: 2.57.2-svn36339-1 |
| 16:56.50 | jelly-home | LetterRip: what's the b part about? |
| 16:57.04 | olspookishmagus | To: jelly-home, CC: jelly is a way to rise entropy in vain? |
| 16:57.19 | jelly-home | olspookishmagus: that's me in the corner |
| 16:57.29 | LetterRip | jelly-home, that is the second bug fix release |
| 16:57.30 | olspookishmagus | puts on angled shoes |
| 16:57.44 | LetterRip | 2.57 was the release, then we released a and b since there were critical bugs |
| 16:58.07 | olspookishmagus | hmmm... pointed would be better on that context |
| 16:58.25 | stew | and it looks like the blender maint isn't using releases anyway, he's uploading svn pulls |
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| 16:58.37 | stew | this one was uploaded 2 days ago |
| 16:58.37 | superlinux | i am using now LXDE. i just wanted to change keyboard layout. now i use ALT then SHIFT to toggle layout. but happens is the opposite. this is the command I used: setxkbmap -option grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll "us,ar" |
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| 16:58.57 | jelly-home | LetterRip: I guess if you wanted a to make a nice package out of that, and if your 2.57b was newer than r36339 in sid, you could use sid's and the uupdate tool to prepare the new source for packaging |
| 16:59.14 | jelly-home | LetterRip: /msg dpkg ssb, /msg dpkg uupdate |
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| 16:59.26 | LetterRip | jelly-home, the sid version is probably the same as the 2.57b |
| 16:59.38 | superlinux | how can switch it from "shift then alt" to "alt then shift"? |
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| 16:59.49 | LetterRip | 2.57.2 == 2.57b likely |
| 17:00.02 | stew | 2.57b was r36403, so the sid version is different |
| 17:00.08 | olspookishmagus | superlinux: you should always press alt a little bit earlier |
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| 17:00.14 | jelly-home | a bit older |
| 17:00.21 | stew | oh, no |
| 17:00.27 | olspookishmagus | more lemmings? |
| 17:00.34 | stew | r36369 |
| 17:00.39 | stew | so yes, it is the same |
| 17:00.49 | jelly-home | 36369 != 36339 |
| 17:01.04 | stew | yeah but they look really close |
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| 17:01.31 | superlinux | olspookishmagus, when I press ALT to switches temporarily to the other layout. |
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| 17:02.07 | superlinux | olspookishmagus, when I press ALT, it switches temporarily to the other layout. |
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| 17:02.33 | DE1 | hey, does anyone know about this? I get this kernerl msg : eth0: RX MAC fifo overflow smac[00810400], and then my computer restarts, using 2.6.32-5-powerpc64, debian. I'm on a 1000Mbit ethernet connection. |
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| 17:04.09 | jelly-home | DE1: the whole computer restarts? |
| 17:04.19 | jelly-home | !ppc |
| 17:04.19 | dpkg | [powerpc] PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:05.31 | superlinux | it looks like AltGr is ON in my keyboard. how can I make it a normal Alt key? |
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| 17:06.25 | Bartzy | I did aptitude safe-upgrade from lenny -> squeeze. Is it fine to have lenny packages (dpkg -l | grep lenny) afterwards ? |
| 17:07.18 | homie | superlinux: AltGr resembles Alt with only difference it being on iso-level-5-shift too i think |
| 17:07.18 | jelly-home | Bartzy: doing a safe-upgrade is not enough. Have you read the squeeze release notes? |
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| 17:07.32 | Bartzy | jelly-home: no. |
| 17:07.41 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Bartzy about lenny->squeeze |
| 17:07.49 | superlinux | homie, so what should i write? |
| 17:08.22 | homie | superlinux: maybe get into your wm's keyboard-config and change that either there if you want it window manager wide or customize your console-data or console-setup or so.... |
| 17:08.24 | Bartzy | jelly-home: So I need dist-upgrade ? |
| 17:08.33 | jelly-home | Bartzy: read what dpkg said. |
| 17:08.43 | homie | superlinux: maybe xorg.conf too |
| 17:08.51 | superlinux | homie, I am using LXDE |
| 17:08.58 | DE1 | jelly-home: yes |
| 17:08.59 | Bartzy | I didn't understand it. |
| 17:09.08 | Bartzy | jelly-home: Why should I do apt-get upgrade and then apt-get dist-ugprade ? |
| 17:09.10 | homie | superlinux: do you want it only X window wide or do you want it in terminals too ? |
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| 17:09.27 | superlinux | just X |
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| 17:09.44 | homie | superlinux: well then configure your xorg.conf, that's bettern then |
| 17:09.49 | jelly-home | Bartzy: /msg dpkg dist-upgrade |
| 17:10.08 | superlinux | it's only for chatting and office work |
| 17:10.35 | homie | superlinux: section input device .... man xorg.conf and have a look at keyboard config options in /usr/share/X11/..... |
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| 17:11.38 | oznt | hi everyone again |
| 17:11.41 | Bartzy | jelly-home: I still have 10-15 packages that have 'lenny' in their names while doing dpkg -l | grep lenny |
| 17:11.43 | Bartzy | is that OK? |
| 17:12.07 | oznt | linux mint debian addition drives me crazy, does some here know how to solve the package authentication issue ? |
| 17:12.21 | stew | Bartzy: since you are still in the middle of the process of upgrading, sure |
| 17:12.35 | Bartzy | stew: I'm not in the middle. aptitude dist-upgrade finished. |
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| 17:13.09 | stew | Bartzy: you ran safe-upgrade, then afterwards ran dist-upgrade? |
| 17:13.15 | jelly-home | oznt: mint has a separate support channel, we can't really support it here since there's a number of mint-specific changes. /msg dpkg mint |
| 17:13.19 | Iridos | there are packages that have no successor... they aren't erased |
| 17:13.21 | Bartzy | stew: yes. |
| 17:13.33 | Iridos | happened with apache 1.3 |
| 17:13.41 | stew | Bartzy: does full-upgrade want to do anything now? |
| 17:13.59 | Iridos | and some others... look what they are and you can probably remove them |
| 17:14.01 | stew | Bartzy: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 17:14.06 | Iridos | (using a successor instead) |
| 17:14.07 | LetterRip | stew or jelly-home who ever pasted /msg dpkg (can't recall the rest) can you repaste that? my computer locked up and had to reboot |
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| 17:14.34 | Bartzy | stew: full-upgrade doesn't want to do anything. output : 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 17:15.03 | jelly-home | LetterRip: the factoids were ssb and uupdate |
| 17:15.20 | stew | Bartzy: are they obsolete packages? ("aptitude search '~o'" would tell you all the obsolete packages) |
| 17:15.26 | LetterRip | ty |
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| 17:16.18 | jhutchins_lt | Perhaps it would help to examine Bartzy's sources.list? |
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| 17:16.32 | Bartzy | stew: There are some obsolete packages. |
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| 17:16.57 | stew | on one of my squeeze machines, "aptitude search '~Vlenny!~o'" says that there are no squeeze packages with lenny in the version |
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| 17:17.50 | Iridos | no, but as I said it's not unusual to have ... leftovers |
| 17:18.33 | jelly-home | I luv my php4 and apache1.3 |
| 17:18.58 | Bartzy | what should I do ? |
| 17:19.28 | Iridos | as I said... check what they are, remove if you feel like it |
| 17:19.44 | Iridos | might want to look at what apt-show-versions tells you |
| 17:19.57 | Iridos | jelly-home, apache1 is the only REAL webserver |
| 17:20.22 | jelly-home | Iridos: ncsa-httpd forever |
| 17:20.25 | jelly-home | bitch |
| 17:20.31 | Iridos | barstud |
| 17:20.52 | Bartzy | can I downgrade to lenny ? |
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| 17:21.37 | Iridos | !downgrade |
| 17:21.37 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 17:21.39 | Kull | No, you can not downgrade. It breaks things. |
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| 17:22.13 | thewanderer1 | hey, I switch a game in SDL to full screen and my mouse cursor can't move. switching it back to windowed mode solves this (all at runtime, not CLI switch). what would that be? |
| 17:22.22 | Bartzy | stew: What should I do with my lenny packages ? |
| 17:22.25 | Bartzy | Just leave it ? |
| 17:22.31 | thewanderer1 | it's not stuck in the left top corner. rather somewhere in the middle. |
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| 17:23.25 | pitiplatch | whats the latest kernel for squeeze stable? |
| 17:23.33 | Kull | .32 |
| 17:23.57 | oznt | ok, trying again |
| 17:24.02 | thewanderer1 | do I just keep rmmodding and modprobing nvidia until the problem disappears, if at all? :P |
| 17:24.05 | jelly-home | pitiplatch: /msg judd kernels |
| 17:24.05 | oznt | i removed all the packages from lmde |
| 17:24.18 | Iridos | Bartzy, I told you twice... either leave them, or look what they are and if they're stuff you want to keep, else aptitude remove them... and you can use apt-show-versions to further check what package comes from where |
| 17:24.27 | stew | Bartzy: i'd consider removing all the obsolete packages, but take care to look carefully about what that would be removing |
| 17:24.28 | Kull | LMDE isnt Debian, it's Linux Mint and you should probably ask in their channel. |
| 17:24.32 | oznt | and installed all the packages from debian, but I still get this authentication errors from the debian repost |
| 17:24.38 | oznt | what can i do ? |
| 17:24.44 | Bartzy | OK, thank you. |
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| 17:24.58 | Kull | oznt: what do you mean, "debian repost"? |
| 17:25.01 | stew | oznt: mint has its own channel you should be asking |
| 17:25.12 | oznt | stew, LMDE is debian |
| 17:25.17 | oznt | i tried there |
| 17:25.18 | stew | oznt: no, it isn't |
| 17:25.22 | jelly-home | oznt: do a fresh install of debian, since some of your config is still different from what Debian brings by default |
| 17:25.27 | Kull | LMDE is NOT Debian, it is Linux Mints version of Debian. BIG difference. |
| 17:25.53 | oznt | jelly-home, well if you want to be so nice and puristic in the debian tower, what ever |
| 17:26.03 | oznt | i am looking for help with APT |
| 17:26.14 | oznt | will you send me to an APT channel ? |
| 17:26.14 | Kull | oznt: try apt-get install -f |
| 17:26.15 | stew | oznt: perhaps try ##linux then. I don't know of a apt help chanel |
| 17:26.37 | oznt | stew, not expecting you to send me there |
| 17:26.46 | oznt | look, i installed mint, and I hate it |
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| 17:26.54 | Kull | oznt: install soemthing else. Easy. |
| 17:27.05 | oznt | i want to revert it debian WITHOUT reinstalling my system |
| 17:27.06 | stew | oznt: sorry, we could help you install debian, but not with your mint install |
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| 17:27.18 | oznt | stew, you mean you can"t help |
| 17:27.27 | oznt | so please let off |
| 17:27.27 | Kull | Dont hack up a non-Debian OS and then come to the Debian channel to complain, please. You can try installing Debian or you can ask for help with your current OS in another channel. |
| 17:27.41 | stew | oznt: yes, can't help since it is off-topic for this channel |
| 17:27.50 | jelly-home | oznt: that's not possible without knowing the exact set of changes done by mint, which it why it really is simpler to just do a fresh debian install instead |
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| 17:28.17 | Kull | Linux Mint is not Debian, and you surely cannot "revert" it to be Debian. It is it's own distro, seperate from Debian. |
| 17:28.19 | oznt | i fell on the wrong time to ask questions, it is full of debian angry monks |
| 17:28.22 | oznt | ... |
| 17:28.31 | oznt | i give up ... |
| 17:29.05 | Kull | oznt: What is so hard for you to understand? Are you tryiong to be difficult? Its not a good way to get help. We told you where to ask for help with non-Debian distros. |
| 17:29.17 | stew | please just drop it and lets move on |
| 17:29.20 | Kull | This is for Debian, not LMDE or Ubuntu or any other OS. |
| 17:29.48 | oznt | Kull, LMDE is based on debian, only i fell on 2 idiots who instead shutup and let maybe someone help keep yelling |
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| 17:30.12 | stew | now that we're calling people names, we really need this to stop |
| 17:30.40 | stew | oznt: i've silenced you for 10 minutes. I"m sorry you are having trouble but we really only support debian here, again, you might try ##linux |
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| 17:32.34 | Iridos | monks? |
| 17:32.40 | mkfort | Shaolin |
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| 17:37.07 | mkfort | I have kind of a question. I have both testing and unstable in my sources.list, I have âAPT::Default-Release "testing";â in my apt.conf. I have a couple of packages (chromium-browser) I cherry picked from unstable. Today I do at aptitude update and aptitude safe-upgrade and it wants me to update tons of stuff to unstable versions, any idea? |
| 17:38.42 | jhutchins_lt | mkfort: Testing is very unstable right now. It's at the beginning of the cycle. |
| 17:38.47 | Bartzy | aptitude remove vs purge - purge does remove + deletes the .deb file ? |
| 17:39.03 | jhutchins_lt | mkfort: Your system will probably break with this upgrade due to the udev bug. |
| 17:39.08 | stew | Bartzy: purge also removes config files |
| 17:39.13 | protv | Bartzy: and even config |
| 17:39.25 | mkfort | yeah just I saw it was downloading everying from unstable/main so I stopped the download |
| 17:39.26 | salahuddin66 | Bartzy: remove simply remove the content, except the config you/that package have created |
| 17:39.34 | stew | mkfort: show us the output of "apt-cache policy packagename" for a package you don't think it should be upgrading |
| 17:39.35 | jhutchins_lt | mkfort: If you're going to run testing, especially if you're going to run a frankensystem with unstable mixed in, you really need to subscribe to (and READX) the developer mailing lists. |
| 17:39.54 | jhutchins_lt | !squeeze->wheezy |
| 17:39.54 | salahuddin66 | Bartzy: purge cleans everything including your config. |
| 17:39.55 | stew | mkfort: (use a pastebin) |
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| 17:40.03 | mkfort | ok I'll go take a look |
| 17:40.07 | Bartzy | thanks |
| 17:40.18 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: squeeze->wheezy? |
| 17:40.18 | dpkg | Following a release, testing tends to be more of a developer's playground and a <moving target>. If you have to ask how to do this, ask yourself if you know enough about Debian packaging to run a non-stable release yet. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, then change squeeze to wheezy. "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade". See also <testing> and <apt-listbugs>. |
| 17:40.27 | Bartzy | there's backports-wheezy ? |
| 17:40.40 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: Presumably for future use. |
| 17:40.53 | stew | Bartzy: no, there isn't |
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| 17:41.57 | alechiko | Can someone explain to me why when i try to remove ekiga from debian squeeze, the system wants to remove the whole of gnome too? |
| 17:42.35 | salahuddin66 | alechiko: ekiga is a bundled (dependent) with gnome. |
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| 17:42.50 | stew | alechiko: becuase the gnome package depends on gnome-desktop-environment which depends on ekiga, since all the stuff depeneded on by those packages are marked as "automatically installed to satisfy dependencies" they all get removed when gnome gets removed |
| 17:43.06 | karlpinc_ | alechiko: Perhaps you need to "aptitude unmarkauto"? |
| 17:43.15 | alechiko | interesting thoughts |
| 17:43.35 | alechiko | salahuddin66: so that's quite annoying, since in fedora it wasn't like that :/ |
| 17:43.42 | stew | alechiko: you want to let it remove the "gnome" package but unmarkauto packages you want to keep |
| 17:43.46 | alechiko | stew: i think you talking about the same thing as salahuddin66 |
| 17:44.08 | alechiko | karlpinc_: i think i follow |
| 17:44.10 | stew | alechiko: uh, yes, of course |
| 17:44.13 | mkfort | stew: http://paste.debian.net/116191/ there's an example |
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| 17:44.28 | alechiko | I thought debian had the ultimate package management system, but i find this quite confusing. |
| 17:44.33 | mkfort | it seems to not want to follow my default-release preference |
| 17:44.58 | alechiko | I've been using gentoo's portage for years, and dont ever remember a particular package wanting to remove another package that had hundreds of dependencies |
| 17:44.59 | stew | alechiko: you can probably just "aptitude unmarkauto ~Rgnome" |
| 17:45.11 | alechiko | stew: probably? |
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| 17:45.25 | stew | alechiko: yes |
| 17:45.42 | stew | you probably also would want to do it with gnome-desktop-environment |
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| 17:46.42 | alechiko | stew: is there purposely no space between ~R and gnome-desktop-environment? |
| 17:46.49 | karlpinc_ | alechiko: It depends on whether or not you want to manually look at all the gnome dependencies and decide what you want to keep. |
| 17:46.53 | stew | alechiko: in portage. if you install foo, which depends on libbar. does portage remove libbar for you when it is no longer needed (because, for example, foo got removed, or foo no longer depends on libbar) |
| 17:46.55 | karlpinc_ | alechiko: Yes. |
| 17:46.57 | stew | alechiko: yes |
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| 17:47.57 | alechiko | karlpinc_: it's that that simple |
| 17:48.00 | stew | mkfort: i don't see testing in your sources, just unstable |
| 17:48.08 | alechiko | But i didnt come here to bash debian |
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| 17:48.18 | Kull | I did. |
| 17:48.19 | alechiko | I'm just trying to get around the way the package management works |
| 17:49.28 | alechiko | stew: i issued your command: aptitude unmarkauto ~Rgnome-desktop-environment |
| 17:49.30 | stew | alechiko: my question about portage is not meant to be "competitive". but I'm wondering if gentoo has worked out this problem (which isn't a simple one) |
| 17:49.32 | alechiko | The following packages will be REMOVED: ekiga gnome gnome-desktop-environment |
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| 17:49.39 | stew | alechiko: that's what you want |
| 17:49.39 | mkfort | stew: testing is in sources.list along with unstable. I upgraded this to testing then added the unstable to sources.list and set APT::Default-Release "testing" in apt.conf |
| 17:49.42 | alechiko | I'm not certain that's the intended result |
| 17:49.51 | stew | alechiko: it is |
| 17:50.18 | stew | alechiko: note that "gnome" and "gnome-desktop-environment" are just meta-packages with no actual functionality, they only exist to depend on other packages |
| 17:50.26 | stew | mkfort: show us the output of just "apt-cache policy" |
| 17:50.47 | alechiko | stew: i dont think it is, because i see a list of dependencies that are no longer needed (including network-manager which is highly needed) that it wants me to remove after using the command apt-get autoremove |
| 17:51.06 | stew | alechiko: aptitude unmarkauto network-manager |
| 17:51.12 | mkfort | http://paste.debian.net/116192/ |
| 17:51.15 | mkfort | looks good? |
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| 17:51.34 | alechiko | stew: so i have to compile my own list of packages to protect from uninstallation just to uninstall one piece of software that isn't a dependency for anything? |
| 17:51.37 | alechiko | that is really annoying |
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| 17:52.14 | mkfort | it seemed to be working fine the past few days but today I went to check upgrades it it wants to upgrade hundreds of packages to unstable |
| 17:53.02 | mkfort | I lost the 'main' for testing somehow? |
| 17:53.03 | stew | i don't know why testing wouldn't be listed in "apt-cache policy dpkg" |
| 17:53.25 | stew | oh, yeah, that would explain it |
| 17:53.44 | mkfort | any idea how that happened? It's definitely in sources.list |
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| 17:54.02 | stew | mkfort: show us your sources.list |
| 17:54.28 | mkfort | http://paste.debian.net/116193/ |
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| 17:55.16 | mkfort | missing a / there? |
| 17:55.23 | stew | mkfort: odd, can you show us what happens when you run "aptitude update" ? |
| 17:55.24 | stew | no |
| 17:55.27 | stew | its not needed |
| 17:55.28 | cdahmedeh | when i try to update, i get a hash sum mismatch error, i tried two different servers |
| 17:55.37 | stew | cdahmedeh: on mips? |
| 17:55.44 | cdahmedeh | x86, wheezy |
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| 17:56.54 | justin_ | cdahmedeh: for what file? |
| 17:57.29 | cdahmedeh | W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/debian.mirror.iweb.ca_debian_dists_wheezy_main_source_Sources Hash Sum mismatch |
| 17:57.31 | cdahmedeh | W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/debian.mirror.iweb.ca_debian_dists_wheezy_main_binary-i386_Packages Hash Sum mismatch |
| 17:57.32 | mkfort | http://paste.debian.net/116194/ |
| 17:57.48 | mkfort | stew: You can see aptitude seems to be ok but apt-get update gives an error sometimes |
| 17:58.13 | alechiko | stew how do i undo this command: aptitude unmarkauto -Rgnome-desktop-environment |
| 17:58.14 | alechiko | ? |
| 17:58.16 | mkfort | same one he gets |
| 17:58.42 | stew | alechiko: is that really the exact command you ran? |
| 17:58.49 | alechiko | yes |
| 17:58.55 | cdahmedeh | is there a way to clean those files ? so it can download the files from scratch ? |
| 17:59.10 | stew | alechiko: that wouldn't do anything but tell you that -g is an invalid option |
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| 17:59.32 | alechiko | root@lenovo:~# aptitude unmarkauto ~Rgnome-desktop-environment |
| 17:59.34 | justin_ | it's not those files that the problem usually, it's the Release file |
| 17:59.36 | alechiko | thats exactly what i ran |
| 17:59.51 | stew | ah, that's different |
| 17:59.51 | alechiko | stew: i asked you if the lack of a space was intentional |
| 17:59.53 | alechiko | and you said yes |
| 18:00.11 | alechiko | oh |
| 18:00.12 | stew | alechiko: yes, that was the right command to run, "-Rgnome-desktop-environment" was not |
| 18:00.24 | candyban__ | Why was lenny only "supported" for just over 2 years? It seems so damn short for a server OS |
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| 18:00.30 | alechiko | stew: yes, im sorry, the first tiem i wrote it out the second time i pasted it |
| 18:00.36 | alechiko | so anyway, how do i reverse it |
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| 18:00.50 | alechiko | i dont want to risk losing any dependencies, ill just ignore the software installed |
| 18:00.51 | stew | alechiko: it would be tough to reverse exactly, why would you want to? |
| 18:01.00 | candyban__ | by the time you have properly tested/migrated, the thing is unsupported (situation I'm in now) |
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| 18:01.03 | stew | alechiko: this makes it less likely to remove dependencies |
| 18:01.29 | stew | alechiko: you are telling it "don't remove dependencies of gnome-desktop-environment just because I uninstall the gnome-desktop-environment package" |
| 18:01.32 | candyban__ | Is squeeze going the same way? |
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| 18:01.44 | stew | candyban__: lenny is still supported |
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| 18:01.58 | alechiko | so stew when i want to remove ekiga, and i suddenly see 50 packages it wants to remove (some of which i know i dont want removed, others i may not want removed but may not know it) i need to manually add all those packages to a list of packages not to be removed? |
| 18:02.19 | alechiko | stew: but i dont even want it to remove the meta package. |
| 18:02.29 | stew | alechiko: then don't remove ekiga |
| 18:02.36 | alechiko | ekiga isnt a dependency for anything |
| 18:02.41 | justin_ | cdahmedeh: mkfort: you can clear out /var/lib/apt/lists/ to see if that helps |
| 18:02.49 | cdahmedeh | yes i just tried that |
| 18:02.51 | alechiko | except a meta pckage |
| 18:02.51 | cdahmedeh | and it doens't |
| 18:02.55 | stew | alechiko: yes but it is a dependency of gnome-desktop-environment. you can't have a package wilthout having everything it depends on |
| 18:03.11 | stew | candyban__: lenny will be supported until february |
| 18:03.12 | justin_ | the mirrors are probably just broken somehow |
| 18:03.26 | stew | candyban__: (debian releases are supported for one year after the next release comes out) |
| 18:03.34 | justin_ | the sha1sum of the Packages file should match up to the checksum in the Release file |
| 18:03.38 | alechiko | =/ |
| 18:03.56 | alechiko | so how do we say i undo that command i executed on gnome-desktop-environment? |
| 18:03.57 | cdahmedeh | i'm gonna try ftp.us.deibna.org |
| 18:04.00 | alechiko | i want to put things back to the way they were |
| 18:04.32 | candyban__ | stew, that's what I thought ... till I got errors in updating apt some time ago ... and lenny is marked as "obsolete stable release" |
| 18:04.47 | abrotman | oldstable |
| 18:04.58 | stew | candyban__: show us the errors |
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| 18:05.18 | stew | alechiko: markauto is the opposite of unmarkauto |
| 18:05.26 | candyban__ | stew, it was actually backports :/ |
| 18:05.40 | jhutchins_lt | candyban__: oldstable, not obsolete yet. |
| 18:05.43 | mkfort | is there anyway I can see if apt-get or aptitude is pulling from testing or unstable before it starts downloading the packages? |
| 18:05.57 | stew | candyban__: the url for backports changed: /msg dpkg bdo |
| 18:05.57 | alechiko | stew: alright, thank you for your time |
| 18:06.03 | stew | candyban__: its still there and supporting lenny though |
| 18:06.09 | abrotman | mkfort: you can do a dry run or apt-cache policy perhaps |
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| 18:06.18 | stew | alechiko: note that there is no way to know what things were unmarked as auto BEFORE you ran unmarauto |
| 18:06.20 | candyban__ | jhutchins_lt, http://www.debian.org/releases/ ... it clearly states "obsolete" |
| 18:06.34 | stew | mkfort: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 18:06.49 | alechiko | stew: it was a fresh install.. |
| 18:06.51 | stew | candyban__: yes, it is obsolete |
| 18:06.52 | mkfort | ok |
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| 18:07.07 | jhutchins_lt | I think that's a poor choice of words. |
| 18:07.07 | candyban__ | stew, it just seems like lenny was released "yesterday" as stable ... and already oldstable :( |
| 18:07.08 | daemonkeeper | candyban__: until security support ends, there is nothing wrong still to use oldstable. |
| 18:07.12 | mkfort | so the mirrors are just screwed up or something now and I should just wait? |
| 18:07.28 | stew | candyban__: it was a little over 2 years old when the next version was released |
| 18:07.44 | stew | mkfort: yes, the mirrors are screwed up. i'm looking into it |
| 18:07.57 | jhutchins_lt | There are still reasons to use it instead of squeeze, like Intel graphics. |
| 18:08.11 | mkfort | stew: thanks |
| 18:08.15 | stew | mkfort: i'm assuming it's going to be fixed by the next dinstall run: http://ftp-master.debian.org/dinstall.html |
| 18:08.23 | mkfort | ok |
| 18:08.39 | karlpinc_ | jhutchins_lt: Some support for intel graphics was dropped? I used to know. Can you refresh my brain? |
| 18:08.41 | jhutchins_lt | I'll bet there are more lenny servers on the 'net than there are squeeze servers. |
| 18:08.56 | candyban__ | stew, lenny in the beginning was quite unstable for Xen ... so I hung on to etch for a long time ... and there are issues with squeeze on Xen (snmp does not report the correct speed for interfaces) |
| 18:09.05 | karlpinc_ | jhutchins_lt: I still have more. *sigh* |
| 18:09.09 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc_: 855G? There are still problems with the integrated Intel driver. |
| 18:09.58 | jhutchins_lt | kms still throws some systems. |
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| 18:10.27 | stew | candyban__: if 3 years is too quick for you, i guess you should look at ubuntu LTS which is 5 year or pay for support on redhat |
| 18:10.33 | jhutchins_lt | There are also things like quanta not being availble in kde4. |
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| 18:10.43 | stew | candyban__: we just don't have the volunteers to support it longer |
| 18:11.35 | candyban__ | stew, I am actually looking into ubuntu ... find it a pity since I've been using Debian for about 10 years now |
| 18:11.49 | candyban__ | stew, sorry to hear about the volunteers |
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| 18:12.07 | stew | we're always looking for more... |
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| 18:13.09 | jhutchins_lt | candyban__: You should use whatever distribution works best for you. |
| 18:13.29 | candyban__ | jhutchins_lt, that has been historically debian ... |
| 18:13.49 | stew | !release history |
| 18:13.49 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06). The next release will be Wheezy. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives |
| 18:14.04 | stew | candyban__: its not like the 2 years was historically short |
| 18:14.21 | daemonkeeper | Interestingly most people find the time between stable releases way too long |
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| 18:14.54 | olspookishmagus | has anyone installed TeamViewer for Debian? would you trust this crap? |
| 18:15.01 | jhutchins_lt | I find the fact that the releases are based on bugfixes rather than an arbitrary schedule to be great. |
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| 18:15.27 | candyban__ | daemonkeeper, I hate frequent releases ... that's one of the reasons I do not like Fedora ... and it scared me away from learning openbsd |
| 18:15.27 | karlpinc_ | jhutchins_lt: But you have to admit that long-term support would be nice. If a system's running and ain't broke.... |
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| 18:15.52 | daemonkeeper | candyban__: Fair enough. Most people on servers like long support and transition periods |
| 18:15.57 | stew | karlpinc_: it just needs a team of volunteers wiling to do the work |
| 18:16.28 | karlpinc_ | stew: Yes. I keep thinking someday I'll help but the bills keep coming in. |
| 18:16.31 | candyban__ | stew, there are other options than just "volunteers" |
| 18:16.46 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc_: I knew a guy who ran the same release of RedHat for a LOT longer than RH supported it, but he was able to do his own updates and patches. |
| 18:16.58 | karlpinc_ | jhutchins_lt: That kind of defeats the purpose. |
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| 18:17.01 | daemonkeeper | For Debian not really, and providing security support is even for Debian a complicated thing. |
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| 18:17.25 | stew | candyban__: what is another option other than just volunteers? debian hiring people? |
| 18:17.40 | candyban__ | karlpinc_, I'm also still running a redhat 9 (proprietary software only supported on redhat) ... |
| 18:17.44 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc_: No, he was able to retain the stable, secure platform without having to migrate to new programs that superceeded older ones. |
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| 18:18.09 | karlpinc_ | candyban__: Debian would A) have to be given a lot of money. And B) would have to be able to restructure it's society to accomodate money. |
| 18:18.20 | karlpinc_ | candyban__: B is harder than A. |
| 18:18.39 | stew | if debian were to start paying people to work on debian, the net result would be FEWER people working on debian, not more |
| 18:18.40 | candyban__ | stew, There are a lot of professional users who have more money than human resources available |
| 18:18.49 | jhutchins_lt | There were reasons to stick with the 2.4 kernel long after most distros dropped support. |
| 18:19.05 | stew | candyban__: i don't understand how that translates into security support though |
| 18:19.22 | dondelelcaro | candyban__: there are certainly people who would provide security support for oldstable for longer if they were paid |
| 18:19.25 | daemonkeeper | Problem is, you can't provide security support the way Debian does it for a really long period. Still ignoring the fact, not everyone willing to help /is/ allowed to work in the security team, since you won't accept everyone there ... |
| 18:19.40 | erAbuelo | buenas |
| 18:19.45 | karlpinc_ | stew: In theory, individuals could pledge to support debian and do it by paying somebody else directly. That might actually work. |
| 18:19.47 | dondelelcaro | daemonkeeper: pretty much everyone who is a DD can work there |
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| 18:20.11 | jhutchins_lt | Also, one guy supporting one configuration on one platform is a lot different than trying to support the 30,000 packages available in Debian. |
| 18:20.29 | dondelelcaro | daemonkeeper: the only exception are for embargoed security issues, and even there, we're pretty good at adding new people, so long as they're trusted |
| 18:20.39 | daemonkeeper | That's what I meant |
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| 18:20.41 | jhutchins_lt | I've seen people offer bounties for bugfixes. |
| 18:20.42 | candyban__ | stew, if there was a distro with security patches for 10 years ... can you imagine how many human resources could be saved by the constant upgrade-path? |
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| 18:20.58 | jhutchins_lt | We have a couple of guys in our LUG who've earned 'em too. |
| 18:21.00 | stew | candyban__: yes, and there are such distros |
| 18:21.03 | latepre | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/source/SourcesIndex MD5Sum mismatch |
| 18:21.06 | dondelelcaro | daemonkeeper: and for embargoes, there's not much we can do. We have to restrict the set of people so that Debian can continue to be given access to the embargoed bugs |
| 18:21.06 | latepre | fix? |
| 18:21.08 | stew | candyban__: redhat, for example |
| 18:21.14 | iluminator101 | hey guys, can I upgrade from squeeze to wheezy just changing the repos or...??? |
| 18:21.27 | dondelelcaro | latepre: try rerunning apt-get update in a bit, or using a different mirror |
| 18:21.34 | bamccaig | Do package release numbers get reset for new upstream releases? |
| 18:21.37 | latepre | dondelelcaro: mmkay |
| 18:21.42 | jhutchins_lt | latepre: Try a different mirror or wait until they fix it? |
| 18:21.53 | stew | i different mirror shouldn't help |
| 18:22.00 | stew | we have a mismatch on ftp-master |
| 18:22.04 | dondelelcaro | stew: ah |
| 18:22.09 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Ah, wait then. |
| 18:22.12 | cdahmedeh | that explains it |
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| 18:22.33 | daemonkeeper | dondelelcaro: Fair enough, hence I said it is not possible to provide security support for half a decade for 30k packages, if this stands on the shoulders of ~10 (or so) people. |
| 18:22.42 | karlpinc_ | iluminator101: Before doing that read the <overview> factoid. See also the <squeeze->wheezy> factoid. |
| 18:22.49 | jhutchins_lt | I hate it when that happens - and the mirrors all faithfully replicate it. |
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| 18:23.07 | cdahmedeh | so we just wait for the thing to get fixed ? |
| 18:23.09 | stew | i have not been able to figure out from the logs why we have the mismatch |
| 18:23.28 | stew | cdahmedeh: it should be fixed by the next dinstall run if an ftp-master doesn't wake up before then |
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| 18:23.55 | cdahmedeh | is there any way to bypass the checksum check ? |
| 18:23.56 | mordocai_work | Hey guys, i'm getting this on apt-get update: http://paste.debian.net/116197/. Tried apt-get clean all and rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/*. Anything else to try to fix this? |
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| 18:24.07 | cdahmedeh | for now, i want to install some packages |
| 18:24.08 | mordocai_work | (yeah, that's debian testing) |
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| 18:25.18 | jhutchins_lt | Maybe we should put a note in the /topic (not that people read it). |
| 18:25.29 | iluminator101 | karlpinc_, <overview> factoid <squeeze->wheezy> factoid where |
| 18:25.45 | karlpinc_ | !tell iluminator101 about msg the bot |
| 18:26.12 | jhutchins_lt | mordocai_work: They're working on it. |
| 18:26.25 | candyban__ | stew, anyways, it was not criticism ... have been happily using debian for many years. (I've been getting a lot without giving, so I can only be grateful for volunteers like you) |
| 18:26.28 | mkfort | I'm just glad I was able to figure it out before I screwed up my system and I learned a bit too |
| 18:26.32 | karlpinc_ | iluminator101: Understand? |
| 18:27.02 | jhutchins_lt | !coffee stew |
| 18:27.03 | dpkg | decants a fine mug of hippy-blend Tanzanian for stew, courtesy of jhutchins_lt |
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| 18:27.13 | stew | i don't have permissions to work on it :) |
| 18:27.49 | iluminator101 | karlpinc_, got you thanks |
| 18:27.59 | dondelelcaro | daemonkeeper: it's still possible, you'd just have to wait until after the embargo. |
| 18:28.24 | dondelelcaro | daemonkeeper: and honestly, if there was someone who was doing that work, and wasn't on the embargo list, they would be put on it in fairly short order |
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| 18:30.20 | iluminator101 | karlpinc_, i already did this on this desktop, but i am change to wheezy on my laptop because i need to just work all the time any suggestions |
| 18:30.49 | bamccaig | Nevermind, got my answer. |
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| 18:31.35 | bmoloney | I am noticing gdm is almost always using about 30% CPU on my recent Debian 6 install. Whenever it does this dbus-daemon also uses about 10% CPU. Anyone else seen this? |
| 18:31.49 | karlpinc_ | bmoloney: gdm3? |
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| 18:32.07 | bmoloney | karlpin_: yes gdm3 |
| 18:32.23 | karlpinc_ | bmoloney: There's a bug.... |
| 18:32.23 | bmoloney | *karlpinc_ |
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| 18:33.24 | karlpinc_ | bmoloney: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=610826 |
| 18:33.32 | bmoloney | karlpinc_: Ok I had searched a bit but will look more closely through the filed bug reports |
| 18:34.08 | bmoloney | ah, thanks |
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| 18:35.48 | candyban__ | btw ... I suppose it's not a good time to sync my own mirror (using debmirror)? |
| 18:36.20 | daemonkeeper | use apt-proxy? |
| 18:36.25 | daemonkeeper | Or alterntives |
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| 18:37.24 | candyban__ | daemonkeeper, it syncs daily at 10pm (it's now 8:37pm) |
| 18:37.24 | karlpinc_ | bmoloney: I don't know if you chime in and complain that the bug affects you too whether or not that will make it get fixed any faster. (Somehow I don't see it being fixed for squeeze.) |
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| 18:37.45 | candyban__ | daemon, comment it in cron for today? |
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| 18:40.04 | bmoloney | karlpinc_: Do you know why this causes CPU usage on headless nodes? |
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| 18:41.03 | karlpinc_ | bmoloney: Yes. The X server dies due to no monitor (see the attached log in the bug.) Then gdm3 respawns, forever. |
| 18:41.06 | daemonkeeper | dondelelcaro: If its only "someone": possibly yes. For an entire (growing) team this is perhaps not scalable without weakening the embargo principle. You really need to have almost a full group if they do care about an entire distribution. On the other hand, I don't think it would be worth trying it with publicly available vulnerabilities only since this is not what people are used to in Debian. Moreover backports get more complicated, the more |
| 18:41.06 | daemonkeeper | they diverge from upstream/sid. |
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| 18:41.41 | dondelelcaro | daemonkeeper: the vast majority of security vulnerabilities are not embargoed |
| 18:41.53 | karlpinc_ | bmoloney: The other guy had a bad/wrong driver, so X died. |
| 18:42.19 | daemonkeeper | dondelelcaro: I can't prove my claim, do you have actual numbers? |
| 18:42.38 | bmoloney | karlpinc_: Ah I see. I am seeing this on a VM which I am connecting to with NX and VNC. |
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| 18:43.10 | karlpinc_ | bmoloney: You'll have to tail -f your Xlog to get a "complete" copy. |
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| 18:44.27 | bmoloney | karlpinc_: Ah yes I see "Fatal server error: no screens found" in Xorg.log |
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| 18:44.55 | karlpinc_ | bmoloney: I looked to see if the spawing is in the scripts, but it's somewhere deep in gdm3. I gave up, switched to slim, and didn't bother to frob the scripts to wait for user input and respawn. Slim just dies and does not come back without a manual restart. |
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| 18:45.41 | bmoloney | karlpinc_: thanks for all the info, I will chime in on the bug report |
| 18:45.48 | karlpinc_ | bmoloney: Drop the bug an email just to let them know it matters on VMs too. |
| 18:46.00 | dondelelcaro | daemonkeeper: not off the top of my head, no. However, you can check through the DSA and see when the original issue was discovered and compare it to when a CVE was assigned |
| 18:46.10 | swilson06 | can someone recommend a (preferably free) document management system? i'm looking for version control for word and excel stuff. any ideas? |
| 18:47.22 | daemonkeeper | dondelelcaro: So you think, it would just be a matter of interested people for something like "LTS" in Debian? |
| 18:47.29 | dondelelcaro | daemonkeeper: yes |
| 18:47.30 | karlpinc_ | swilson06: I just went looking, briefly. Didn't find anything obvious. I'd be happy to hear of something too. I decided to look into Google Sites. |
| 18:48.32 | karlpinc_ | swilson06: There used to be something called I think silk, or silk-project or some such. (I think MS has googlebombed the name.) I can't find it again. |
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| 18:48.50 | dondelelcaro | daemonkeeper: all of the information needed to do it is available; we track CVEs and the versions of packages which are known to be vulnerable; a group of people for whom it matter need to just step up and start doing the work |
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| 18:49.35 | karlpinc_ | swilson06: And there seem to be a lot of "open core" stuff. There might be debian packages. |
| 18:49.39 | swilson06 | darn, my client isn't going to want to use google. and actually i don't know if google would work for this anyway |
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| 18:49.58 | swilson06 | files can get quite large - i don't think google will like them |
| 18:50.12 | swilson06 | open core? |
| 18:50.41 | karlpinc_ | swilson06: The open core stuff is free, even gpled, but the companies require copyright assignment and kinda lock up the development. Not so good in the long run. |
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| 18:51.09 | olspookishmagus | what would you think on a debian package on this: http://www.solriche.co.uk/files/mgiso/mgiso.htm |
| 18:51.13 | swilson06 | considers writing a perl module on top of svn..... |
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| 18:51.48 | swilson06 | i should be able to use perl modules for most of the heavy lifting.... just wasn't looking forward to it. |
| 18:51.49 | karlpinc_ | swilson06: mysql style. (And I can't believe anyone would use a database that does does not have Free documentation. At least not if they care if it's Free.) |
| 18:51.55 | dondelelcaro | olspookishmagus: no real point from my perspective, but feel free to do it. |
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| 18:52.21 | olspookishmagus | dondelelcaro: please explain |
| 18:52.29 | shahriman | guys, i have a usb modem which works with ubuntu 9.04 (a kernel module that's compatible with an older linux kernel) is there a way to make it work with debian? |
| 18:52.35 | karlpinc_ | swilson06: People are making a lot of money in the FOSS content management space. Just look harder than I did and you'll probably find something. (I didn't give the debian repos a good search.) |
| 18:52.42 | olspookishmagus | dondelelcaro: do you happen to mean why do it when there's e.g.: GnomeBaker? |
| 18:53.27 | dondelelcaro | olspookishmagus: or any of the other burning frontends, and mkisofs works just fine from the commandline |
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| 18:53.45 | dondelelcaro | olspookishmagus: but if you're convinced that it's important for debian, don't let me stop you |
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| 18:53.57 | olspookishmagus | dondelelcaro: nah you're right, it's not |
| 18:55.11 | karlpinc_ | shahriman: You'd have to tell us more than that. Like what sort of modem. lsusb (as root) output, etc. |
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| 18:55.58 | shahriman | <karlpinc_> i can do that, here or in private? |
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| 18:56.33 | flock-_ | how I install uuencode? |
| 18:56.34 | sickgut | yay i just made a debian live persistent usb drive and i only have the gimp on it and jwem xorg and roxfiler you can download my "GimpOS" from http://www.thepussycatforest.info/gimpos if you wanna have a look some people might want a OS that only has gimp i dunno |
| 18:56.44 | sickgut | jwm |
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| 18:57.29 | ChrisH | Where do I find the the installation reports generated by reportbug installation-reports? |
| 18:57.31 | sickgut | www.linuxliveusb.com helped me but its a windows prog |
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| 18:58.14 | stew | flock-_: sharutils: /usr/bin/uuencode |
| 18:58.17 | stew | flock-_: (/msg dpkg apt-file) |
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| 18:58.44 | stew | ChrisH: bugs.debian.org/installation-reports |
| 18:58.56 | flock-_ | /usr/bin/uuencode: No such file or directory , which lib should I install ? |
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| 18:59.03 | stew | flock-_: sharutils |
| 18:59.11 | flock-_ | ty |
| 18:59.21 | shahriman | karlpinc_: http://pastebin.com/SfrSHmSJ please have a look, the first one is my modem i guess |
| 18:59.28 | stew | flock-_: you can use apt-file or http://packages.debian.org to find this information yoruself, btw |
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| 19:00.07 | karlpinc_ | shahriman: I don't know modems. The channel can look. |
| 19:00.30 | daemonkeeper | dondelelcaro: Fair enough, have there been approaches in the past? |
| 19:01.14 | sickgut | .. /var/log/syslog |
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| 19:01.41 | Caelum | I set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to include ~/lib first, but it's not picking it up, why? |
| 19:01.47 | sickgut | re: ChrisH>Where do I find the the installation reports generated by reportbug installation-reports? ======= /var/log/syslog |
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| 19:01.58 | dondelelcaro | daemonkeeper: no, primarily because when push comes to shove, no one steps up to do the work |
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| 19:02.31 | linuxfreck | Caelum, how did you set LD_LIBRARY_PATH? |
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| 19:02.47 | Caelum | linuxfreck: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=~/lib:other-crap |
| 19:02.51 | Caelum | linuxfreck: in my ~/.zshrc |
| 19:02.51 | hays | Hi please don't kill me, I am looking for help with gparted. It is not seeing my HDDs when I boot into it from livecd. there is no /dev/sd* there. They are SATA drives |
| 19:03.15 | Caelum | hays: that means your livecd kernel doesn't see your sata chipset |
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| 19:03.41 | ChrisH | sickgut: I wanted to check the reports for the HP Probook 6460 I expect to get soon. |
| 19:03.55 | hays | Caelum: yeah I figured maybe that was it. I do not run linux on this machine. Am I pretty much hosed then? |
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| 19:04.18 | linuxfreck | Caelum, sorry, I don't know much about zsh |
| 19:04.33 | Caelum | linuxfreck: it's like bash |
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| 19:04.59 | sickgut | .. /var/log/syslog <-------- this is the answer i got when i googled for it, was in the cd install troubleshooting section of a official debian site |
| 19:05.01 | Caelum | but anyway, why does setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH not work for me |
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| 19:05.35 | linuxfreck | Caelum, then try replacing the ~ with the real directory, as I'm not sure the zsh expands that correctly in your string |
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| 19:05.50 | ChrisH | Caelum: ~ gets evaluated form the shell. try another shell or an absolute path |
| 19:05.51 | enlightified | If I am going to upgrade my gimp, what is the preferred way? |
| 19:05.56 | linuxfreck | Caelum, and make sure that you restarted your shell after modifying that file |
| 19:06.02 | enlightified | I can add a newer repository. |
| 19:06.10 | enlightified | Or compile from source. |
| 19:06.28 | enlightified | or try to find if the gimp has a repository itself that I can add. |
| 19:06.36 | sickgut | enlightified: i just add newer repo then apt-get update then apt-get install gimp |
| 19:06.38 | Caelum | linuxfreck: it is the full path |
| 19:06.48 | Caelum | linuxfreck: when I echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 19:06.48 | enlightified | so I should add lenny? |
| 19:06.51 | hays | Caelum: its a marvell 9128 |
| 19:06.55 | stevieman | Do I need openbsd-inetd? |
| 19:07.04 | sickgut | then reset your /etc/apt/sources.list to normal |
| 19:07.07 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 19:07.13 | Caelum | hays: try ubuntu livecd, that's pretty good with drivers |
| 19:07.15 | enlightified | Okay. |
| 19:07.19 | sickgut | enlightified: what debian version u run? |
| 19:07.19 | enlightified | thank you. |
| 19:07.24 | sickgut | k |
| 19:07.25 | enlightified | squeeze. |
| 19:07.27 | hays | Caelum: i need gparted in particular |
| 19:07.35 | sickgut | yeah add sid or wheezy |
| 19:07.42 | sickgut | lenny is older than squeeze |
| 19:07.46 | hays | are you saying the ubuntu version of it might have a newer kernel with more drivers? |
| 19:07.46 | linuxfreck | enlightified, I wouldn't just mix packages from different versions, it's just asking for trouble |
| 19:07.50 | enlightified | oh yeah lenny is older, sorry. |
| 19:07.51 | enlightified | okay. |
| 19:08.04 | Caelum | hays: you can install it from the livecd, yeah it should |
| 19:08.15 | olspookishmagus | I went a wee-bit of clickety-clackety-clickety-click and crashed Nautilus ^^ |
| 19:08.21 | Caelum | linuxfreck: fuck it, I'll just use LD_PRELOAD |
| 19:08.23 | hays | 'install' meaning in some kind of RAM disk right? |
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| 19:08.51 | enlightified | linuxfreck: naah, I will someones got to test things, right? :) |
| 19:08.51 | linuxfreck | ~tell enlightified about pinning |
| 19:09.06 | enlightified | I'll google it ... |
| 19:09.28 | linuxfreck | enlightified, sure, but then you should go to testing altogether and make sure you know your way around the bts and have some fallback when you break your box |
| 19:10.09 | hays | Caelum: AMD64 architecture? this is for i7 chip |
| 19:10.21 | enlightified | oh I see. |
| 19:10.36 | enlightified | okay. |
| 19:10.58 | bittin_ | http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/205083_10150156196864259_612274258_6407121_999541_n.jpg |
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| 19:11.06 | swilson06 | karlpinc_: have you seen this? http://guide.flossmetrics.org/index.php/Document_management |
| 19:11.12 | salahuddin66 | hays: yes. I am using amd64 on i3. ia64 is for different type. |
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| 19:14.32 | enlightified | Okay I went for wheezy, it only needs to upgrade libdata and libgimp so I should be safe. |
| 19:14.48 | enlightified | lets see if this fixes the tablet problem. |
| 19:14.53 | enlightified | :) |
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| 19:15.43 | sickgut | you can also download and run a static version |
| 19:16.03 | sickgut | but a simple gimp install from newer debian repos wont mess things up |
| 19:16.13 | sickgut | with vlc it does tho |
| 19:16.17 | enlightified | sickgut: I guess that was the better approach |
| 19:16.23 | enlightified | right? |
| 19:16.24 | sickgut | for some reason vlc wanted to install a new kernel etc |
| 19:16.36 | sickgut | im pretty sure what your doing will work |
| 19:17.00 | sickgut | but leme google you the url for a static linux 32bit gimp, brb in a sec |
| 19:17.18 | enlightified | Iam on 64. |
| 19:17.32 | karlpinc_ | !tell enlightified about overview |
| 19:17.42 | enlightified | I can google it if it's needed. thank you though. |
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| 19:17.48 | sickgut | http://www.portablelinuxapps.org/ |
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| 19:17.52 | sickgut | hmmmmm |
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| 19:18.13 | sickgut | this site has the gimp static package but im sure its all 32 bit |
| 19:18.33 | sickgut | i havent had much experience with 64 bit systems yet |
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| 19:18.54 | karlpinc_ | swilson06: No. Didn't get that far. Are they in Debian? |
| 19:19.18 | sickgut | i have a 64 bit amd semperon 2800+ cpu but ive never ran a 64 bit OS as its 64 bit OSes kinda do nt have as good support and as many ready to go bi nary packages as 32 bit etc |
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| 19:20.06 | enlightified | thank you karlpinc. I actually didn't have update checked. |
| 19:20.10 | karlpinc_ | sickgut: All the Debian main packages are the same in any arch. The non-free stuff and other repos are another matter. |
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| 19:20.51 | swilson06 | ah, don't care whether it has a debian package. i just want something that works.... |
| 19:21.06 | sickgut | so like |
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| 19:21.24 | sickgut | windows 7/ vista/ xp 64 bit OS can run 32 bit binaries too |
| 19:21.31 | sickgut | but linux cant atm |
| 19:21.36 | sickgut | is this correct? |
| 19:21.42 | karlpinc_ | swilson06: I want support too. Debian does that nicely. |
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| 19:21.49 | AimHere | Linux can |
| 19:21.51 | abrotman | karlpinc_: not totally true .. something like wine wouldn't be on ia64 for example |
| 19:21.51 | sickgut | or have i missunderstood something? |
| 19:21.55 | AimHere | Including debian, quite easily |
| 19:22.04 | karlpinc_ | abrotman: Point taken. |
| 19:22.20 | sickgut | is there extra options i need to apply to get debian 64 bit to run all me 32 bit stuff? |
| 19:22.36 | abrotman | !multiarch |
| 19:22.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, multiarch is http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00290.html, or http://wiki.debian.org/MultiarchFosdem |
| 19:22.49 | greenteabean | Hello, I am trying to diagnose a problem I am having on one of my systems running debian 6. It seems I sometimes get an error in syslog where my eth0 NIC Link keeps doing Down, Up, Down, Up, etc. Like see here http://pastie.org/private/de4t1cjntkzvlxgw5ppuw Can anybody shed some light on why this is happening and how I can diagnose the problem |
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| 19:23.12 | stew | it should be noted that multiarch doesn't yet exist |
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| 19:23.27 | swilson06 | i suppose.... though, lately debian's package management has started to piss me off more than help me. so, i don't really see deb package vs not an issue :/ |
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| 19:23.34 | stew | sickgut: it really depends on what "all me 32 bit stuff" actually is |
| 19:23.50 | karlpinc_ | greenteabean: Hardware. Check the cable. |
| 19:24.12 | hays_ | Caelum: is it the ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386 the one I want that has gparted? |
| 19:24.20 | greenteabean | karlpinc_: ok, that was my fear. I will sort out a new cable and try. If not then I guess a new NIC |
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| 19:25.02 | hays_ | or is it natty-desktop |
| 19:25.03 | karlpinc_ | greenteabean: Could be a bad switch port. Or perhaps some not-compatible full/half duplex/autospeed detect. |
| 19:25.06 | sickgut | greenteabean the link spam error is usually intermittant network connection at the switch/ router/ hub level or a break in the cable or your system or switch/router/hub going to sleep in between network activity |
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| 19:25.46 | sickgut | that is only the most common cause |
| 19:27.43 | sickgut | however the actual cause, if its not some faulty cable or connection to your network router/hub/ switch, is probably elusive and vague and difficult to set right without editing something to do wiith the duplex thing like karlpinc _ said or you need to run a different driver etc etc |
| 19:28.14 | Caelum | hays_: it doesn't matter, you can install it with apt once booted if it doesn't have it |
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| 19:28.40 | mikunos | Hi guys |
| 19:28.54 | mikunos | I have a little problem with my mail server |
| 19:29.50 | mikunos | I have this situation at the moment: http://pastie.org/1872749. |
| 19:30.11 | abrotman | which part of that problem? |
| 19:30.12 | mikunos | seems that I have finished the space |
| 19:30.22 | mikunos | but it is not possible |
| 19:30.34 | greenteabean | karlpinc_: , sickgut , Thanks both I will look at all of those possibilities. Thank you |
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| 19:30.54 | mikunos | abrotman the problem is the hd |
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| 19:31.03 | abrotman | mikunos: can you take the machine down if oyu want to ? |
| 19:31.12 | mikunos | yes I can |
| 19:31.31 | abrotman | how do you know you haven't used the space? |
| 19:32.10 | Iridos | how is that impossible, only 1GB |
| 19:32.11 | salahuddin66 | misunos: clean unnecessary files. apt-get clean. are you using LVM ? |
| 19:32.23 | mikunos | because I have just installed the mail server for 2 months |
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| 19:32.46 | abrotman | mikunos: you could force an fsck at the next boot |
| 19:32.46 | sickgut | you can delete everything from /var/cache/apt/archives and /usr/share/doc/ everything you apt-get gets archived and a debian install that is like 5gb can have like 1.5gb in backedup .deb archives |
| 19:32.49 | nsadmin | mikunos, that doesn't say anything |
| 19:33.40 | mikunos | I don't understand how it is possible |
| 19:33.50 | nsadmin | no, don't use rm on those areas. -only- use package tools if you want to still be using debian |
| 19:33.53 | enlightified | how can I reset my sources.list? I had messed it up before. |
| 19:33.56 | mikunos | there is only a mail server |
| 19:34.00 | sickgut | and /usr/share/doc/ isnt critical to keep either and it can be nearly a gig in size in some cases |
| 19:34.29 | sickgut | mikunos ^^ imeant to address my last 2 messages to you |
| 19:34.36 | justin_ | mikunos: are you talking about the 779G ? |
| 19:34.54 | mikunos | yes |
| 19:34.55 | sickgut | enlightified: just remove the newer repo entry from /erc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:34.55 | nsadmin | sickgut, you're recommending to use rm on areas debian wants to own |
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| 19:35.05 | mikunos | justin_ I am talking about that 779G |
| 19:35.14 | justin_ | mikunos: well for one, you never changed the default filesystem reservation for root |
| 19:35.28 | mikunos | is it a question!? |
| 19:35.37 | sickgut | .. /etc/apt/sources.list i mean |
| 19:35.39 | justin_ | so you have 46G reserved for root |
| 19:35.39 | enlightified | I have completely messed it up, I have even changed the original urls. |
| 19:35.41 | abrotman | it could be a filesystem error .. not that the space is actually used ... |
| 19:35.46 | justin_ | mikunos: how much space do you expect to be using? |
| 19:35.50 | abrotman | !tell enlightified about squeeze sources.list |
| 19:35.53 | nsadmin | mikunos, exactly what filesystem is full? |
| 19:36.00 | abrotman | enlightified: assuming you're using squeeze |
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| 19:36.12 | sickgut | enlightified ill give you a url to download a new sources.list for squeeze, leme just upload it |
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| 19:36.31 | justin_ | mikunos: try du -acx / |egrep "^[0-9]{5}" | sort -n ? |
| 19:36.39 | enlightified | thank you. |
| 19:36.39 | nsadmin | mikunos, df | pastebinit |
| 19:36.41 | mikunos | I suppose that in 2 month is it impossible this situation |
| 19:36.58 | nsadmin | nothing is impossible |
| 19:37.18 | abrotman | sickgut: the bot already fed him stuff |
| 19:37.19 | Iridos | enlightified, sources.list are only a few lines... something like thee lines can be completely valid. there is no way you can "completely mess it up" you can write a new one any day (see the message from dpkg) |
| 19:37.25 | mikunos | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.46 | enlightified | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html |
| 19:37.52 | nsadmin | and this is a server? |
| 19:37.53 | enlightified | I'll just rip this off |
| 19:37.54 | enlightified | :) |
| 19:38.05 | mikunos | nsadmin: yes it is |
| 19:38.09 | justin_ | mikunos: try du -acx / |egrep "^[0-9]{5}" | sort -n ? |
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| 19:38.33 | nsadmin | you're not protecting certain areas from overfilling |
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| 19:38.51 | mikunos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:38.59 | Iridos | enlightified, great idea... don't listen to us, just copy something from a webpage that has "Obsolete Documentation" printed in nice, large friendly letters on top of the page |
| 19:39.03 | Iridos | \o/ |
| 19:39.11 | nsadmin | du -s /* | pastebinit |
| 19:39.17 | nsadmin | that will take awhile |
| 19:39.23 | abrotman | has Iridos file a bug on the website |
| 19:39.39 | mikunos | nsadmin Yes I am waiting |
| 19:39.40 | justin_ | nsadmin: my command is better |
| 19:39.54 | stew | you really want -k and -x |
| 19:39.54 | nsadmin | what's it do? |
| 19:39.58 | Guest49024 | salve gente ho devo installare skipe su debian testing ho scaricato il pacchetto dal sito ma quando lo installo mi dice che la dipendenza dle pacchetto libqt4-dbus non è soddisfatta |
| 19:40.02 | Iridos | abrotman, no way, it's historic! |
| 19:40.09 | stew | !it |
| 19:40.09 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:40.10 | Guest49024 | ops sorry it's in English |
| 19:40.11 | justin_ | nsadmin: sorts the entire drive by file and directory size |
| 19:40.17 | abrotman | is an it ... |
| 19:40.34 | nsadmin | it's it? |
| 19:40.35 | Iridos | abrotit? |
| 19:40.47 | mikunos | nsadmin: thanks solved |
| 19:40.52 | mikunos | I am an idiot! |
| 19:40.56 | Iridos | err... or would that be abrotthing? |
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| 19:41.47 | nsadmin | don't say abrotit again... can 't stand the image... |
| 19:41.54 | sickgut | enlightified: http://www.pimpscape.info/sickgut/sources.list |
| 19:42.16 | sickgut | ^ thats the sources.list i use for my squeeze |
| 19:42.41 | abrotman | sickgut: that's not a good one to hand out .. dmm may be illegal where he lives .. |
| 19:42.54 | Iridos | so now we can critisize the hell outta his sources.list |
| 19:43.16 | abrotman | or parts of it anyway |
| 19:43.25 | Iridos | like volatile :) |
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| 19:44.13 | nsadmin | looked clean to me |
| 19:46.09 | sickgut | if you have a look on the debian multimedia website its like there are 2 different download requests from different ip's like every seccond |
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| 19:46.17 | FleetFox | Hello. I upgraded from squeeze to wheezy. And now i have some issue with ati display drivers. At the moment i don't have any time to try solving it. Is there a fast and simple way to downgrade back? |
| 19:46.20 | moele | WELCOME ;) |
| 19:46.23 | moele | FleetFox, , nice |
| 19:46.30 | moele | FleetFox, , what seems to be the problem my friend |
| 19:46.34 | lneely | shudders |
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| 19:46.36 | Iridos | well, it's also got .de. while he is.... well, somewhere middle east? |
| 19:46.41 | lneely | six more months until i can get rid of this pos. |
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| 19:46.53 | moele | FleetFox, what is particularly the problem? |
| 19:47.01 | FleetFox | With drivers? |
| 19:47.04 | moele | FleetFox, if you run aticonfig --initial -f what does it tell you? |
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| 19:47.06 | moele | FleetFox, yes |
| 19:47.08 | moele | FleetFox, does X load |
| 19:47.16 | FleetFox | Yes screen is turning black |
| 19:47.18 | FleetFox | randomly |
| 19:47.26 | sickgut | fleetfox uninstall your new kernel or boot to the older kernel version in your grub, as your ati drivers need to be run on the same kernel they where compiled on |
| 19:47.32 | stew | sickgut: volatile was renamed for squeeze, you'd want deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian squeeze-updates main |
| 19:47.35 | FleetFox | I can boot back |
| 19:48.06 | moele | FleetFox, did you update your driver, after you upgraded from s -> to wheezy |
| 19:48.24 | moele | as sickgut suggested, your headers could be incompatible, it requires matching headers |
| 19:48.26 | sickgut | that is the quickest way, or you can download and compile the ati drivers for your kernel version or find a ati driver p ackage that suits your kernel version |
| 19:48.28 | FleetFox | No. Do i have to do it mannualy? |
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| 19:48.47 | moele | FleetFox, /usr/share/ati/flgxr-uninstall.sh or something on those lines |
| 19:48.50 | moele | FleetFox, to remove the driver |
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| 19:49.01 | moele | for good measure rm -r /etc/ati and /usr/share/ati to be double sure |
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| 19:49.10 | moele | once that is complete make sure you have the kernel headers matching your kernel version |
| 19:49.12 | FleetFox | it's an integrated x1250 |
| 19:49.14 | justin_ | FleetFox: are you even using fglrx? |
| 19:49.18 | FleetFox | No im not |
| 19:49.22 | moele | ooo |
| 19:49.25 | FleetFox | i don't even need acceleration |
| 19:49.27 | snover | anyone experiencing hash sum mismatch on testing/main Source and testing/main i386 Packages right now from ftp.debian.org ? |
| 19:49.35 | mikunos | thanks to all |
| 19:49.37 | moele | FleetFox, use vesa? :> |
| 19:49.40 | moele | lol |
| 19:49.43 | abrotman | snover: a) try another mirror b) don't use ftp.debian.org |
| 19:49.44 | justin_ | vesa will work |
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| 19:49.56 | FleetFox | At the moment i would like to downgrade. Will research the driver issue later on. |
| 19:50.07 | sickgut | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.08 | FleetFox | there is no xorg.conf |
| 19:50.10 | moele | it isnt a driver issue |
| 19:50.14 | moele | its an issue with having old kernels |
| 19:50.18 | sickgut | then its fine again |
| 19:50.18 | moele | or new kernels rather |
| 19:50.22 | moele | headers |
| 19:50.27 | Metus | is back (gone 03:47:17) |
| 19:50.29 | moele | that are incompatible with how they were built against for your current drivers |
| 19:50.36 | snover | abrotman: linode ought be told not to set up their new os installations with ftp.debian.org if itâs not intended to be used :) |
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| 19:50.45 | sickgut | my advice is to simply not use the dist upgrade thing |
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| 19:51.02 | sickgut | ive never experienced it working how it should after doing it |
| 19:51.05 | FleetFox | On my current desktop it worked like a charm. |
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| 19:51.22 | ompaul | Metus: please don't be telling over a thousand people you have been away - just set yourself /away not here announcing is a way to win friends and influence people ;-) |
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| 19:51.29 | abrotman | sickgut: that's just a dumb thing to say |
| 19:51.44 | abrotman | snover: i'm sure they have a bug system .. i'm not a customer |
| 19:51.48 | snover | abrotman: ftp.debian.org is automatically geographically distributed so Iâm not sure what the impetus is to say to not use it |
| 19:51.49 | Metus | ompaul, i sorry |
| 19:51.56 | sickgut | snover>abrotman: linode ought be told not to set up their new os installations with ftp.debian.org if itâs not intended to be used :) <----- why is this |
| 19:52.12 | abrotman | snover: i don't think it's geographically .. it's a DNS round-robin .. perhaps you mean cdn.debian.net ? |
| 19:52.21 | sickgut | i run 2 vps's that use that ftp.debian.org is that bad or somethi ng? |
| 19:52.27 | abrotman | !ftp.debian.org |
| 19:52.27 | dpkg | ftp.debian.org is not the principal mirror for Debian. It is just one mirror that uses bandwidth that was donated to the Debian project; you are kindly requested not to use this mirror but to instead use a mirror that is closer to you. Use a local mirror instead, ask me about <mirrors>. See http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror#wherefrom for more information. |
| 19:52.51 | sickgut | lol |
| 19:52.58 | FleetFox | So vesa will work anyway? There is no xorg.conf. Should i create it manually and tell it to use vesa? |
| 19:53.07 | snover | abrotman: nevermind, I was just reading the dns answer section incorrectly :) |
| 19:53.35 | ompaul | Metus: don't worry about it |
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| 19:54.05 | Metus | ompaul, thank |
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| 19:54.11 | FleetFox | Or just purging mesa drivers will help? |
| 19:54.52 | abrotman | sickgut: just because you do it, doesn't make it right :) |
| 19:55.26 | sickgut | yeah it does |
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| 19:55.33 | moele | how up to date or current is the Debian SE Linux wiki kept? |
| 19:55.36 | sickgut | from my experience :) |
| 19:55.39 | moele | ugh |
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| 19:55.40 | moele | not very |
| 19:56.16 | snover | abrotman: Itâs wrong on mirrors.kernel.org too |
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| 19:56.49 | abrotman | sickgut: it's just a silly thing to do .. use a mirror near you .. that's what they're there for |
| 19:57.04 | abrotman | snover: are you proxied somehow? |
| 19:57.08 | snover | abrotman: nope |
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| 19:57.19 | abrotman | snover: where are you geographically? |
| 19:57.28 | snover | abrotman: this machine is in new jersey |
| 19:57.37 | abrotman | snover: IIRC, there's a rutgers mirror |
| 19:57.44 | abrotman | guess not anymore ... |
| 19:58.05 | snover | abrotman: all the other package lists (squeeze, updates, etc.) are fine |
| 19:58.08 | snover | itâs just these two |
| 19:58.19 | abrotman | snover: try "deb http://debian.cc.lehigh.edu/debian/ squeeze main" .. lehigh is near allentown |
| 19:58.24 | sickgut | the mirrors near me break |
| 19:58.32 | abrotman | sounds like your problem |
| 19:58.35 | sickgut | ive had 090934 years of bad luck because of it |
| 19:58.56 | snover | no big deal, I was just trying to get the exim4 package update anyway which is coming from squeeze/updates/main |
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| 19:59.15 | abrotman | snover: oh .. just for security.debian.org ? that's a round-robin IIRC .. |
| 19:59.29 | snover | /topic |
| 19:59.31 | snover | argh |
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| 19:59.31 | snover | sorry |
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| 19:59.44 | snover | mac os likes to sabotage me and turn my backspaces into backspace characters |
| 20:00.10 | snover | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/116214/ |
| 20:00.32 | abrotman | snover: try "deb http://debian.cc.lehigh.edu/debian/ testing main" ? |
| 20:01.12 | snover | abrotman: no, those are bad as well |
| 20:01.14 | snover | they are all bad |
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| 20:01.19 | snover | they were obviously corrupted from the source |
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| 20:03.08 | project2501a | i am 9, and what is this? |
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| 20:05.36 | snover | abrotman: the x86_64 ones are bad too |
| 20:05.37 | snover | :\ |
| 20:05.54 | moele | Anyone know the default name for the Debian Kernel Sources pre-packed with Squeeze? |
| 20:05.59 | moele | i want the prepatched one |
| 20:06.02 | moele | and throw into usr/src |
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| 20:07.00 | vlahonick | hi everybody |
| 20:07.09 | vlahonick | is anybody here? |
| 20:07.20 | StefandeVries | o/ |
| 20:07.23 | vlahonick | hi |
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| 20:07.35 | vlahonick | i have a serious problem in debian 6.0.1 |
| 20:07.41 | vlahonick | and can't find solution anywhere |
| 20:07.46 | StefandeVries | tell us |
| 20:07.52 | vlahonick | some say is app's prog others kernel's |
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| 20:08.14 | boudiccas | vlahonick, what is your 'serious problem'? |
| 20:08.24 | vlahonick | anyway the prob is that i have "turn off" screensaver and power manager |
| 20:08.37 | vlahonick | and the monitor still turns blank after ~15-20' |
| 20:08.50 | vlahonick | ok is not life or death |
| 20:08.54 | boudiccas | vlahonick, sound slike its a setting in the monitor itself |
| 20:08.58 | vlahonick | but i search too much and no answer yet:( |
| 20:09.32 | vlahonick | no the prob is not with the monitor |
| 20:09.34 | boudiccas | vlahonick, check the monitors settings by rebooting and look at its power saving module |
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| 20:10.02 | vlahonick | as i told prob is not with monitor |
| 20:10.06 | vlahonick | i have dual boot |
| 20:10.11 | vlahonick | and in my other os is fine |
| 20:10.13 | boudiccas | vlahonick, how do you know that the problem is not with the monitor, have you checked it out already? |
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| 20:10.29 | vlahonick | i just wrote it:) |
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| 20:11.20 | vlahonick | after lot of googling found some other threads (fresh threads) in debain mailing lists saying this is a prob of gnome-power-manager |
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| 20:12.04 | vlahonick | really don't know waht to do... |
| 20:12.08 | vlahonick | i can't even watch a film:( |
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| 20:12.25 | vlahonick | after ~20 i have to move the mouse to "wake up" the monitor again |
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| 20:13.15 | vlahonick | and i didn't find any solution for this, if it is a bug |
| 20:13.16 | vlahonick | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/05/msg00259.html |
| 20:13.27 | vlahonick | this is the thread |
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| 20:16.41 | vlahonick | anybody with any suggsestion!?!??!?!?!? |
| 20:18.10 | twobitsprite | vlahonick: begging, yelling and repeating yourself is only going to irritate people and make them not want to help you |
| 20:18.40 | vlahonick | cause until now i got tons of help... |
| 20:18.49 | vlahonick | if nobody can't help is fine |
| 20:18.50 | vlahonick | no problem |
| 20:19.01 | vlahonick | just do not make me wait for an anwser isn't coming |
| 20:19.20 | vlahonick | i just want to move on |
| 20:19.22 | twobitsprite | !patience |
| 20:19.22 | dpkg | The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. |
| 20:19.23 | boudiccas | vlahonick, patience grasshopper |
| 20:19.45 | vlahonick | agree |
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| 20:20.10 | vlahonick | but is not that difficult to say "hey i am sorry, i do not know" |
| 20:20.15 | vlahonick | so i can continue searching |
| 20:20.41 | twobitsprite | vlahonick: you should continue searching anyways... we don't have time to constantly watch this channel and tell everyone who comes in here "i don't know" |
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| 20:20.58 | twobitsprite | we get a lot of people coming through here sometimes and you can't expect everyone in the channel to tell you they don't know |
| 20:21.21 | vlahonick | of course not |
| 20:21.29 | twobitsprite | then what do you expect from us? |
| 20:21.31 | Iridos | vlahonick, also, it's not very constructive if 1000 peoples tell you why they don't answer, be it because they don't know, they're not interested or they're just having sex with someone |
| 20:21.36 | vlahonick | but at least i expected from ppl replied |
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| 20:22.05 | vlahonick | whatever |
| 20:22.30 | twobitsprite | whatever to you too |
| 20:23.02 | MeglaW | guys, i had the best idea ever today with some friends, "ifdead", like, what are users supposed to do when the only admin dies or something, a small script that like checks if any of the sudoers has logged in in a year or so and if not gives sudo to most active user or something |
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| 20:24.04 | twobitsprite | MeglaW: if it's a business system, and only one person knows the password, then they deserve to never get in to it |
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| 20:25.02 | MeglaW | hehe yeah but say the box is in a cloaset at old workplace, or parents basement, no way thay are gonna let a random person get acsess and thereby root. |
| 20:25.18 | twobitsprite | and besides... you can always yank the harddrive and mount it on something else |
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| 20:31.46 | puff | MeglaW: Generally you just boot the machine into single user mode, or boot it iwth a live CD, or similar steps. |
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| 20:31.55 | puff | MeglaW: And then reset the root password, etc. |
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| 20:32.54 | MeglaW | i know, this is for when that aint an opion. |
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| 20:33.47 | Iridos | vla... ha, he left |
| 20:34.05 | twobitsprite | you mean like your friend is running a minecraft server, then goes away to boarding school leaving you and your friends high and dry when the server crashes? |
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| 20:35.32 | Iridos | or the friend commits suicide and you want to run the server in his parents house without their consent |
| 20:35.38 | Iridos | \o/ |
| 20:35.40 | twobitsprite | lol |
| 20:35.42 | twobitsprite | exactly |
| 20:36.01 | MeglaW | naaa i mean the admin goes and dies |
| 20:36.12 | Iridos | that's what I said |
| 20:36.35 | twobitsprite | So, this script is specifical meant for unexpected death... but unexpected departure won't be covered? |
| 20:36.41 | MeglaW | Iridos: yeah, or maybee just get at the configs and transfer them |
| 20:37.00 | MeglaW | or make the box a memorial, keep it alive |
| 20:37.26 | twobitsprite | MeglaW: why don't you pass whatever your smoking down this way |
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| 20:37.35 | twobitsprite | :) |
| 20:37.37 | MeglaW | lol |
| 20:37.58 | MeglaW | or, you just apt-get it and it kicks you into a curses wizard so you can choose timeperiod, what to assume (like dead, missing, kidnapped etc) and what action to take,it would be great if it could sence a user and give sudo to it |
| 20:38.04 | Iridos | twobitsprite, please refrain from helping others in the channel after you had a go, though, kthx |
| 20:38.06 | MeglaW | or mail a list of mails saying "hello. i nobody with root has logged in for like a year, pls do somethin?" |
| 20:38.18 | twobitsprite | Iridos: heh |
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| 20:39.14 | swilson06 | anyone played with ocr software? specifically tresseract vs openocr? |
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| 20:39.25 | twobitsprite | !anyone |
| 20:39.25 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 20:39.44 | Iridos | "hello. i nobody with root has logged in for like a year, pls start trying to break in now and turn the machine into a spambot" |
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| 20:42.14 | swilson06 | ok, what is the best oss ocr software? |
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| 20:42.40 | twobitsprite | best is subjective, and I'm sure depends on what you need... popcon can help you determine which one is more popular |
| 20:42.58 | swilson06 | popcon? |
| 20:43.02 | twobitsprite | !popcon |
| 20:43.02 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package |
| 20:43.04 | Iridos | swilson06, the one google uses? |
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| 20:43.24 | swilson06 | :) Iridos-- |
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| 20:44.03 | Iridos | is it foss, though? |
| 20:44.11 | valdyn | MeglaW: even if that was a good idea, its probably hard or impossible to implement |
| 20:44.35 | twobitsprite | valdyn: nah, wouldn't be that hard |
| 20:44.43 | Iridos | valdyn, why? seems simple enough |
| 20:44.51 | swilson06 | ah, no dice on popcon..... |
| 20:45.04 | Iridos | there's /var/log/auth.log |
| 20:45.04 | valdyn | Iridos: the admin does not need to use sudo, programs can "log in" as root |
| 20:45.10 | jhutchins_lt | swilson06: http://www.watchocr.com/ |
| 20:45.11 | swilson06 | so, by 'best ocr' i mean most accurate. |
| 20:45.47 | jhutchins_lt | ocr is one of those things where there aren't a lot of functional options. |
| 20:45.49 | twobitsprite | valdyn: "last root" |
| 20:46.06 | twobitsprite | valdyn: or "last $user" foreach user with sudo access |
| 20:46.38 | Iridos | twobitsprite, doesn't detect me using "su", though |
| 20:46.40 | twobitsprite | swilson06: I don't even know what an ocr is... I'm just trying to help you ask a more useful question :) |
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| 20:46.54 | swilson06 | heh, ok so maybe openocr might be better... |
| 20:47.04 | subsume_ | mountall: mount /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc [996]: Permission denied |
| 20:47.04 | subsume_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:47.28 | swilson06 | optical character recognition - convert image to text. |
| 20:47.31 | ToreadorVampire | Ohai - I'm running testing/AMD64 and I've just noticed that pidgin seems broken. From what I can tell, it has a dependency on perlapi-5.10.1 which points to a specific version of perl-base (5.10.1 funnily enough) but in testing most of the important software I have installed (more important to me than pidgin at least) depends on a newer version of perl-base, so I can't just downgrade to make pidgin work without losing more stuff. |
| 20:47.32 | ToreadorVampire | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.33 | ToreadorVampire | ase it works)? |
| 20:47.42 | Iridos | tl;dr |
| 20:47.48 | twobitsprite | ow |
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| 20:47.58 | ToreadorVampire | (and then, suddenly, words!) |
| 20:48.00 | twobitsprite | I feel like I've been punched in the face by a wall of text |
| 20:48.09 | valdyn | twobitsprite: those things cant tell apart programs from humans |
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| 20:48.27 | karlpinc_ | twobitsprite: Better that the nibbled to death by newlines. |
| 20:48.47 | twobitsprite | valdyn: programs don't log in to tty's or pts, do they? |
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| 20:48.57 | twobitsprite | karlpinc_: true |
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| 20:49.20 | valdyn | twobitsprite: they do |
| 20:49.27 | Iridos | ToreadorVampire, you should have watched removals and only do safe-upgrades? |
| 20:49.27 | valdyn | twobitsprite: or they can |
| 20:49.29 | karlpinc_ | ToreadorVampire: I heard on the channel there's problems with perl in testing. That's testing for you. You know about backports and dmm etc for stable? |
| 20:50.04 | ToreadorVampire | But seriously - the tl;dr version is: pidgin in wheezy has a dependency that might be retarded; where should I be looking to create myself a patched version of the .deb that removes that dependency (just for giving it a shot)? |
| 20:50.32 | Iridos | ToreadorVampire, you can unpack the package, edit dependencies, repack and install... or compile it from source... /msg dpkg ssb or /msg dpkg package recompile for the general outline |
| 20:50.35 | subsume_ | trying to issue 'mount' as root but getting permission denied. |
| 20:50.40 | twobitsprite | pidgin doesn't seem broken to me, and I'm on wheezy |
| 20:51.00 | ToreadorVampire | Oh, yeah, I know testing is exactly that - testing. Losing pidgin for even a few months isn't going to be a dealbreaker |
| 20:51.03 | twobitsprite | subsume_: what are you mounting and to where? |
| 20:51.12 | valdyn | subsume_: the whole command please |
| 20:51.15 | justin_ | ToreadorVampire: what dependency? |
| 20:51.16 | valdyn | !tell subsume_ -about ask |
| 20:51.24 | subsume_ | I'm just trying to look to see what's mounted. |
| 20:51.24 | Iridos | ToreadorVampire, I was just kidding. But this is something you should get used to if you're using testing/unstable just don't upgrade if that forces the removal of packages you want to keep |
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| 20:51.58 | twobitsprite | subsume_: so, you are the root user, and you run "mount" with no arguments, and you get permission denied? |
| 20:52.01 | valdyn | subsume_: ls -ld /bin/mount |
| 20:52.03 | Iridos | ToreadorVampire, (kidding about the tl;dr, that is) |
| 20:52.04 | subsume_ | yes |
| 20:52.22 | ToreadorVampire | justin_: perlapi-5.10.1 (which is a virtual package installing perl-base = 5.10.1-17 ) |
| 20:52.40 | ToreadorVampire | Iridos: Heh, yeah, I realised ;) |
| 20:52.48 | twobitsprite | ,versions perlapi-5.10.1 |
| 20:52.51 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'perlapi-5.10.1' was found in i386. |
| 20:52.55 | twobitsprite | ,versions perlapi |
| 20:52.56 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'perlapi' was found in i386. |
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| 20:53.09 | valdyn | subsume_: "cat /proc/mounts" , "cat /etc/mtab" <- all that should work |
| 20:53.32 | subsume_ | they do valdyn, thanks. I don't see much and I don't really get what state things are in. |
| 20:53.54 | valdyn | subsume_: well, then you already saw what "mount" would print |
| 20:53.58 | ompaul | ,versions libperl-apireference-perl |
| 20:53.59 | subsume_ | thanks |
| 20:54.00 | judd | Package libperl-apireference-perl on i386 -- squeeze: 0.04-1; sid: 0.05-1; wheezy: 0.05-1 |
| 20:54.06 | karlpinc_ | subsume_: If "mount" does not run for you something's badly broken. |
| 20:54.20 | twobitsprite | subsume_: please type "id" just in case |
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| 20:54.24 | valdyn | subsume_: but i never saw your /bin/mount yet, so i cant fix that |
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| 20:54.34 | karlpinc_ | twobitsprite: Even so, mount should work. |
| 20:54.36 | valdyn | subsume_: the mount command does not need root |
| 20:54.50 | twobitsprite | valdyn: hmm... well, not necessarily |
| 20:54.54 | subsume_ | karlpinc_ yes, something is badly broken. Linode went down and my system won't boot since. id = uid=0(root) gid=0(root) |
| 20:55.15 | sickgut | it sucks when vps's break their filesystems |
| 20:55.20 | subsume_ | yeah. |
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| 20:55.28 | twobitsprite | won't boot? what are you running the mount command on? |
| 20:55.28 | subsume_ | and yet I gotta fix everything |
| 20:55.50 | sickgut | for some reason my vps from www.novps.com just decided no virtual hdd was connected. |
| 20:56.14 | subsume_ | twobitsprite I was just looking to see where I was at. I got errors on startup. http://dpaste.com/539656/ |
| 20:56.16 | sickgut | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.28 | subsume_ | wow, sickgut. |
| 20:56.47 | sickgut | i never backed up the OS either |
| 20:56.57 | subsume_ | yeah well you don't expect them to lose it for you. |
| 20:57.06 | sickgut | but i keep most valuable files on my home so i was ok |
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| 20:57.16 | sickgut | home computer |
| 20:57.21 | subsume_ | oh |
| 20:57.23 | Bushmills | good. backups are for weenies. real admin aren't scared to retype all their configs |
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| 20:57.27 | jhutchins_lt | sickgut: Ah, but do you back that up? |
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| 20:57.37 | sickgut | nope |
| 20:57.47 | jhutchins_lt | sickgut: Certain VMs seem to do that a lot. |
| 20:57.47 | subsume_ | so does anyone have any suggestions about what to do when getting http://dpaste.com/539656/ during startup |
| 20:58.01 | jhutchins_lt | sickgut: Does your system allow you to do a snapshot of the install? |
| 20:58.04 | valdyn | subsume_: get support from the vendor |
| 20:58.12 | valdyn | subsume_: this is not really the scope of #debian |
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| 20:58.24 | subsume_ | valdyn you think its something about their xen setup? |
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| 20:58.39 | valdyn | subsume_: im quit sure about that |
| 20:58.42 | sickgut | i gave root access to a guy who wanted to upload all his files to his subdir on my website once, he ran a chmod -R 755 /* and broke it |
| 20:58.52 | subsume_ | valdyn well I need to be sure or they will just tell me its up to me. |
| 20:59.00 | sickgut | jhutchins yeah i think so i never use it tho |
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| 20:59.15 | ompaul | sickgut: might I suggest that you only give access to people who don't want to teach you not to share your passwords |
| 20:59.24 | valdyn | subsume_: there can be no certainty with that few information |
| 20:59.38 | valdyn | subsume_: there can only be guessing or gut feeling |
| 20:59.43 | sickgut | i lost 25gb of stuff i was hosti ng for the puppy linux community after i had to reimage my vps after that guy messed it up |
| 20:59.43 | subsume_ | That's more than I got. |
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| 21:01.10 | jhutchins_lt | subsume_: Tell us more about your system. Release, architecture, hardware, etc. |
| 21:01.46 | valdyn | subsume_: if asked about ls -l /bin/mount to see if the it was suid root. If that is the case then your "error" cant really be on stock debian |
| 21:02.03 | subsume_ | cool |
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| 21:02.31 | pitiplatch | can someone tell me how to change the admin password for ispconfig 3? |
| 21:02.32 | valdyn | subsume_: "mount: only root can do that" |
| 21:02.33 | jhutchins_lt | (That's what I get for multitasking.) |
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| 21:02.39 | subsume_ | thanks guys. |
| 21:02.41 | valdyn | subsume_: thats what you get normally |
| 21:02.45 | subsume_ | let me collect some info and come back |
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| 21:03.12 | valdyn | pitiplatch: off topic |
| 21:03.13 | jhutchins_lt | pitiplatch: I can point you to http://www.ispconfig.org/ |
| 21:03.57 | pitiplatch | valdyn, like everything in the universe circles around u ... |
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| 21:05.05 | jhutchins_lt | pitiplatch: This is #debian. ispconfig isn't. |
| 21:05.35 | pitiplatch | but u might know anyway |
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| 21:06.40 | valdyn | pitiplatch: this is in the ispconfig faq |
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| 21:08.59 | twobitsprite | sickgut: you didn't have backups? |
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| 21:09.58 | iateadonut | how can i load module speling.load into apache? |
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| 21:10.18 | sickgut | nope |
| 21:10.24 | iateadonut | it's in /etc/apache2/mods-available |
| 21:10.31 | valdyn | iateadonut: a2enmod speling |
| 21:10.44 | sickgut | have such slow connection that its impractical to download 25gb of stuff to store on my home comuter then upload again |
| 21:10.57 | sickgut | all the s tuff i had was wgetted |
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| 21:11.14 | sickgut | or was mostly 10mb programs i madew myself |
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| 21:13.50 | piotr | hi, anybody getting this? : bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 21:14.28 | daemonkeeper | piotr: That's a known problem and ftpmasters are working on it |
| 21:14.38 | iateadonut | thanks. that worked well (although the mod doesn't work as i thought it would - gonna check what should be in speling.conf) |
| 21:15.06 | piotr | daemonkeeper: thanks |
| 21:17.18 | DammitJim | I'm on wheezy and I'm gettin ga hash sum mismatch when doing an apt-get update |
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| 21:18.41 | jhutchins_lt | DammitJim: Correct. |
| 21:19.20 | jhutchins_lt | DammitJim: Unfortunately everybody may have gone home for the weekend. |
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| 21:21.45 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: No, Ganneff is working on it and it will be fixed sood. So, DammitJim, you just need to be a little patient. |
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| 21:22.01 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: Ah, excellent. |
| 21:22.09 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: It would be reasonable for them to have done so. |
| 21:22.18 | babilen | sure |
| 21:23.13 | jhutchins_lt | I mean, I'm trying to get through to a Doctor's billing people, and there's no way I'm going to reach anyone there after lunch on Friday. |
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| 21:27.10 | project2501a | i got to ask, wtf are the gnome developers thinking?!?! |
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| 21:27.39 | DammitJim | ok, will do |
| 21:27.52 | daemonkeeper | project2501a: You could ask them? |
| 21:27.58 | project2501a | i tried. |
| 21:28.03 | project2501a | there was a flame war |
| 21:28.12 | project2501a | i was told i do not understand UI design. |
| 21:28.31 | Iridos | so you know what they're thinking |
| 21:28.35 | daemonkeeper | You know what the think then |
| 21:28.40 | daemonkeeper | *they |
| 21:28.52 | project2501a | catering to the lowest denominator? |
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| 21:29.34 | Iridos | no... "who's that little twit coming here and asking stupid questions" |
| 21:29.58 | daemonkeeper | Iridos: + off topic |
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| 21:30.21 | ompaul | ya'all |
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| 21:30.38 | metalfan_ | hi |
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| 21:30.59 | metalfan_ | whats a good way to run some scripts for user1 and user2 as their username after bootup? |
| 21:31.48 | Iridos | metalfan_, cron |
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| 21:31.59 | metalfan_ | thx |
| 21:32.01 | Iridos | "@reboot" |
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| 21:33.34 | Iridos | hehe, the grammar-na^H^H loving people have been through that... @annually (same as @yearly) |
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| 21:36.38 | metalfan_ | Iridos, does this depend on the system being actually rebooted by reboot or could it also reboot after a power outage? |
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| 21:40.32 | Iridos | metalfan_, I don't know more than "man 5 crontab" and that says "at startup" |
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| 21:41.58 | daemonkeeper | reboot jobs are started when the cron daemon starts. Regardless of the reason, so a cold boot works as well |
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| 21:42.09 | tonytraductor | there's a git-daemon running on my box and I can't kill it |
| 21:42.20 | metalfan_ | thx |
| 21:42.23 | tonytraductor | I tried to kill it, tried to kill runsvdir |
| 21:42.25 | valdyn | tonytraductor: why cant you kill it? |
| 21:42.37 | tonytraductor | I don't know...when I kill it, it comes right back |
| 21:42.46 | tonytraductor | it's weird. |
| 21:42.56 | tonytraductor | it's like super zombie jesus git-daemon |
| 21:43.13 | valdyn | tonytraductor: processes that are respawned is nothing unusual |
| 21:43.16 | tonytraductor | I don't even know why it's running |
| 21:43.29 | boudiccas | tonytraductor, can you kill it suing sudo? |
| 21:43.33 | boudiccas | *using |
| 21:43.42 | tonytraductor | I did it as su |
| 21:43.46 | valdyn | boudiccas: hes not failing to kill it |
| 21:43.47 | tonytraductor | but it came right back |
| 21:44.08 | tonytraductor | ok, the git-daemon process itself, yes, dies...for about a second |
| 21:44.11 | tonytraductor | then it comes back. |
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| 21:44.30 | tonytraductor | I can't seem to kill runsvdir, which I think keeps rescuscitating the git-daemon |
| 21:44.51 | tonytraductor | it's not like I'm serving git repos here, so I don'tknow why it's running at all, frnkly |
| 21:44.58 | valdyn | tonytraductor: its all in the manpage |
| 21:45.02 | tonytraductor | maybe I misunderstand what it does |
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| 21:45.34 | valdyn | tonytraductor: the standard kill command does not directly terminate a process |
| 21:45.45 | tonytraductor | which man page, because there is no man page for runsvdir here |
| 21:45.56 | tonytraductor | I tried kill -9 |
| 21:46.05 | tonytraductor | tried to send sighup and sigterm in htop |
| 21:46.07 | valdyn | tonytraductor: you shouldnt be using -9, ever |
| 21:46.18 | tonytraductor | always a last resort |
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| 21:47.16 | valdyn | tonytraductor: runsvdir dies on sigterm, sais the manpage |
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| 21:47.59 | valdyn | tonytraductor: but you should probably use sighup, which will make it shut down its child processes first |
| 21:48.08 | tonytraductor | oh,no I do have a man page for runsvdir, and it says sending it a term signal sould stop it, and whatever it is running as a child (git-daemon) |
| 21:48.12 | tonytraductor | oh, you just said that |
| 21:48.16 | tonytraductor | the thing it, I tried that. |
| 21:48.19 | tonytraductor | didn't work |
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| 21:48.34 | tonytraductor | I tried sighup first, then sigterm |
| 21:48.38 | tonytraductor | then the dreaded -9 |
| 21:48.43 | valdyn | tonytraductor: if -9 does not make a process go away then you hit a bug |
| 21:49.01 | valdyn | tonytraductor: now did you verify that runsvdir is not just respawned? |
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| 21:50.11 | tonytraductor | how do I verify that? |
| 21:50.21 | valdyn | tonytraductor: by looking at the pid |
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| 21:50.57 | tonytraductor | the pid doesn't change |
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| 21:51.16 | tonytraductor | oh, wait, it DOES change |
| 21:51.17 | valdyn | tonytraductor: what is the status of that process? |
| 21:51.22 | tonytraductor | so what's respawning runsvdir? |
| 21:51.23 | valdyn | tonytraductor: ok ignore that question |
| 21:51.52 | tonytraductor | I know runsvdir kept respawning git-daemon, but I do not know what is respawning runsvdir |
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| 21:52.13 | Parsifal | tonytraductor: ps axf | grep -C 3 runsvdir |
| 21:52.18 | Parsifal | That should show you its parent process |
| 21:53.24 | tonytraductor | I had done pstree before...the only parent it shows is init |
| 21:53.35 | tonytraductor | for runsvdir |
| 21:53.43 | gedO | Hi guys. How to get all data for my WIFI card? (name, manufacturer and other things) |
| 21:53.44 | erAbuelo | hasta mañana |
| 21:53.59 | tonytraductor | now, runsv is the same, but runsv seems to be spawning the git-daemon and something called svlogd |
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| 21:54.55 | valdyn | tonytraductor: man sv |
| 21:55.48 | juso | anyone have any insight for me to figure out where my httpd/php is writing to on disk in large amounts, seems fairly high in iostat |
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| 21:57.09 | valdyn | tonytraductor: it is the runsv program that keeps runsvdir respawning I think, however use sv to control git-daemon |
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| 21:57.53 | tonytraductor | I'm still trying to figure out why this stuff is even running here. |
| 21:58.09 | valdyn | tonytraductor: most probably because you installed it |
| 21:58.18 | tonytraductor | I cloned some git repos to get some code, but that shouldn't have some daemon serving these on my machine, should it? |
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| 21:58.40 | tonytraductor | I mean, I downloaded some code, I uploaded some code...do I need that running constantly in the background on my machine to use git? |
| 21:58.42 | valdyn | tonytraductor: no, you having installed git-daemon-run is alot more likely |
| 21:58.59 | tonytraductor | why would I do that? |
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| 21:59.06 | valdyn | tonytraductor: i dont know *why* |
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| 21:59.22 | valdyn | tonytraductor: but grep git-daemon /var/log/dpkg.log* to so the *when* |
| 21:59.28 | lv_ | any debs available for perl 5.8 in squeeze? |
| 22:00.18 | ansgar | lv_: No. |
| 22:00.25 | lv_ | source only eh |
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| 22:02.36 | tonytraductor | omfg....it's like whackamole.... |
| 22:02.58 | tonytraductor | it's not really hurting anything, it's just, I get weirded out when I find stuff running that I didn't specifically ask to be running.. you know? |
| 22:03.20 | valdyn | tonytraductor: sure |
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| 22:03.55 | buhman | what's the preferred way to install debian from a usb dtick? |
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| 22:06.48 | jhutchins_lt | !usb install |
| 22:06.49 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 22:07.01 | gedO | Guys. I have problem with my WIFI. Any help? |
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| 22:07.14 | tonytraductor | what's up ged0? |
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| 22:08.24 | gedO | My WIFI isn't working. Debian isn't detecting my WIFI card |
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| 22:08.58 | jhutchins_lt | gedO: Release, architecture, pciid of card, what you tried so far. |
| 22:09.05 | tonytraductor | did you figure out what the card is? |
| 22:09.14 | tonytraductor | what's the machine? I'm assuming a laptop |
| 22:09.19 | ikawe | I'm doing a PXE install, the latest debian kernel in sid (2.6.38) has the network driver I need, but the kernel in debian/dists/sid/main/installer-i386/current/ is too old (2.6.32-5). How can I do a PXE boot of the latest kernel? |
| 22:09.57 | gedO | tonytraductor, Yes, loptop. Acer aspire 5739G and I think that I have Intel link 5100 wifi card installed |
| 22:09.57 | ikawe | (actually I think I just need anything newer than (2.6.36) (http://ircbots.debian.net/factoid.php?key=82579lm) |
| 22:10.28 | gedO | jhutchins_lt, I tryed so far nothing, don't want to do anything bad to system |
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| 22:11.10 | tonytraductor | those cards seem to have issues with other OSes, too |
| 22:11.14 | tonytraductor | from what I'm seeing by googling |
| 22:11.23 | tonytraductor | the card itself is fickle or something |
| 22:11.47 | jhutchins_lt | ikawe: They're working on backporting .38 to squeeze. Currently it breaks things. |
| 22:11.52 | gedO | tonytraductor, so I can't use WIF with this card? |
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| 22:12.48 | tonytraductor | but it shoudl work in debain |
| 22:13.06 | tonytraductor | well look at this: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/Acer/Aspire+5739G/ seems to indicate it does work |
| 22:13.11 | ikawe | jhutchins_lt: Good to know. But unless I'm misunderstanding, that doens't address my question: how do I PXE boot from 2.6.36 (or newer) |
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| 22:13.17 | jhutchins_lt | gedO: As root in a console, do lspci -nn - your card should be one of the last two items. Post the eight-digit ID here. |
| 22:13.32 | tonytraductor | but, I see people using both gnu/linux and windows reporting issues with either this machine or the card in it |
| 22:13.38 | tonytraductor | just googling now |
| 22:13.51 | akumixx | Where can I see what versions of software are awailable in debian ? |
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| 22:14.16 | jhutchins_lt | ikawe: I take it you already know how to get it to PXE boot for .32, you just need the newer kernel, right? |
| 22:14.19 | valdyn | akumixx: http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 22:14.28 | ikawe | jhutchins_lt: yes, that's right |
| 22:14.28 | programstartup | hey everyone |
| 22:14.42 | programstartup | im a computer person myself but i was wondering if you guys would take a quick look at my drawing |
| 22:14.50 | programstartup | its my first one i just put it up on deviant art |
| 22:14.54 | programstartup | http://www.programstartup.deviantart.com/#/d3fnuwk |
| 22:15.10 | jhutchins_lt | ikawe: You can download the .deb manually from the wheezy repos and install it with dpkg. You might need linux-base from wheezy as well. |
| 22:15.18 | ikawe | jhutchins_lt: would I also need a corresponding init.rd.gz? |
| 22:15.30 | gedO | jhutchins_lt, Yes, it is in back. What info you need? |
| 22:15.37 | jhutchins_lt | You generate that as part of installing the kernel.\ |
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| 22:16.04 | jhutchins_lt | Eight digit code near the end of the line in []brackets. |
| 22:16.05 | gedO | jhutchins_lt, ID is: 8086:4232 |
| 22:16.14 | programstartup | http://www.programstartup.deviantart.com/ please! |
| 22:16.26 | tonytraductor | you say it doesn't recognize your card...how have you determined that? |
| 22:16.28 | babilen | programstartup: Neither on-topic nor appropriate. Stop it please. |
| 22:16.35 | programstartup | :( |
| 22:16.36 | tonytraductor | it's an internal card, yes? |
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| 22:16.46 | programstartup | hows it not appropriate? |
| 22:17.12 | juso | anyone know i would lsof file ina specific directory? seems to open work on devices.. |
| 22:17.17 | gedO | tonytraductor, My network manager don't detect any WIFI |
| 22:17.18 | juso | for what im trying |
| 22:17.25 | ikawe | jhutchins_lt: I guess my confusion is that there seems to be some "installer" image which is different from the kernel/init.rd that I boot when I'm "normally" using my machine. Is that true? And if so, how I generate those differences - that's the missing link. |
| 22:17.44 | tonytraductor | network manager...what's that, some gnome applet thingy? |
| 22:17.46 | gedO | tonytraductor, AND my WIFI indicator don't blik. How to turn it on? |
| 22:18.04 | tonytraductor | you'll have to excuse me, I don't use a lot of the *DE stuff |
| 22:18.06 | gedO | tonytraductor, Yes, gnome one |
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| 22:18.20 | tonytraductor | have you tried to use madwifi or wicd or something? |
| 22:18.35 | gedO | tonytraductor, Okey, but how to connect to my wifi? |
| 22:18.40 | gedO | tonytraductor, not yet |
| 22:18.56 | programstartup | @tonytraductor whats MadWiFi? |
| 22:18.56 | tonytraductor | open a terminal |
| 22:19.05 | gedO | tonytraductor, opened |
| 22:19.10 | tonytraductor | get root/sudo and do ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 22:19.14 | jhutchins_lt | gedO: That's an intell. |
| 22:19.19 | tonytraductor | then iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 22:19.24 | tonytraductor | tell me if you get anything |
| 22:19.29 | jhutchins_lt | ,pciid 8086:4232 |
| 22:19.30 | judd | [8086:4232] is 'WiFi Link 5100' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'iwlagn' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:4232 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 22:19.41 | tonytraductor | because, if you do, the card is fine, and the problem might jsut be the "netowrk manager" thingy |
| 22:19.47 | gedO | tonytraductor, nothing |
| 22:19.53 | jhutchins_lt | gedO: Have a look at that wiki page, it should give you some help troubleshooting. |
| 22:19.55 | gedO | iwlist don't found |
| 22:20.04 | tonytraductor | not found! |
| 22:20.07 | sickgut | im gonna make a terminal app like xterm but call it cancer |
| 22:20.09 | sickgut | si |
| 22:20.11 | sickgut | so |
| 22:20.16 | tonytraductor | that's crazy! |
| 22:20.21 | cdahmedeh | jhutchins_lt, stew : the weird checksum issue has been fixed in ftp.debian.com, thanks |
| 22:20.23 | sickgut | when you run it you have terminal cancer!! |
| 22:20.24 | gedO | tonytraductor, command don't found |
| 22:20.33 | akumixx | valdyn, there is unfortunately no searching. what is the version of gparted and openarena in debian ? |
| 22:20.37 | jhutchins_lt | cdahmedeh: Thanks for letting us know. |
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| 22:20.44 | bencc | how do I uninstall a server I installed with ./configure && make && sudo make install ? |
| 22:20.57 | valdyn | akumixx: there is searching |
| 22:21.01 | cdahmedeh | i did some googling, apparently it can happen occasionally, and the solution is just to wait a bit |
| 22:21.04 | gedO | jhutchins_lt, I don't know for what I should look for |
| 22:21.04 | tonytraductor | wait |
| 22:21.22 | jhutchins_lt | bencc: Your only hope is make uninstall. That's why you don't do that unless you know how to uninstall it. |
| 22:21.29 | babilen | bencc: You could try "make uninstall" -- if that doesn't work you'll have to remove the files manually. Use stow or checkinstall the next time. |
| 22:21.42 | akumixx | valdyn, Do I get it right that the up search bar searches all site and not packages ? |
| 22:21.43 | jhutchins_lt | !tell gedO about wifi |
| 22:21.43 | bencc | jhutchins_lt: ok |
| 22:22.12 | Iridos | jhutchins_lt, as a sidenote... some wifi cards are pure usb and don't turn up in lspci and I have a wifi-card that isn't even shown with lspci/lsusb (as far as I can tell) with the squeeze kernel as there's just no driver in it at all that will recognize it (I gave up on it for now because it was just so much easier to plug in the external one I had lying around) |
| 22:22.12 | valdyn | akumixx: scroll down |
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| 22:22.15 | jhutchins_lt | bencc: If there's no uninstall target, you basically have to go through the make file, figure out what it did for the install target, and un-do that. |
| 22:22.40 | akumixx | valdyn, wow |
| 22:22.44 | jhutchins_lt | Iridos: Yeah, USB based ones are harder. |
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| 22:23.01 | jhutchins_lt | Iridos: Sometimes you can figure it out from make and model with google. |
| 22:23.14 | abbronzato | hello if i have a debian based device, without x and without dpkg , and need to change the keyboard localization: an tips for change it? |
| 22:23.15 | bencc | jhutchins_lt: right now I don't even see the make file :) |
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| 22:23.42 | Bartzy | There's no package for php5-fpm in debian ? |
| 22:23.45 | Bartzy | squeeze* |
| 22:24.03 | jhutchins_lt | bencc: Wherever you ran .configure && make |
| 22:24.05 | valdyn | judd: versions php5-fpm |
| 22:24.07 | judd | Package php5-fpm on i386 -- sid: 5.3.6-10 |
| 22:24.17 | Bartzy | judd: sid is unstable... |
| 22:24.18 | bencc | jhutchins_lt: in the make file I have: uninstall-all, clean, clean-local, distclean |
| 22:24.21 | Iridos | jhutchins_lt, rather funny... it's an internal one that came with the PC but it's usb nonetheless... yeah, I think I did figure and downloaded the driver... but then was too lazy to fix up all the compile-problems |
| 22:24.36 | simonlnu | Bartzy: judd is a bot |
| 22:24.52 | Bartzy | oh.. |
| 22:24.59 | simonlnu | so it doesn't care at all |
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| 22:25.03 | Bartzy | I wonder why there is no php5-fpm package.. I had to grab one from dotdeb.. |
| 22:25.22 | simonlnu | there is, as you saw, not for squeeze |
| 22:25.26 | tonytraductor | ged0, can you connect the machine to your router? got a cat5? |
| 22:25.27 | Iridos | Bartzy, as you just saw, there is... in sid |
| 22:25.39 | jhutchins_lt | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.49 | simonlnu | !sns |
| 22:25.50 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 22:25.55 | bencc | jhutchins_lt: if I understand what it does, it just clean everything http://dpaste.com/539698/ |
| 22:25.56 | tonytraductor | also, tell me do you not have iw installed? |
| 22:26.09 | bencc | jhutchins_lt: it doesn't leave configuration files and db files like binary installer or deb package |
| 22:26.23 | Bartzy | Iridos: I'm not going to install sid on a server :| |
| 22:26.29 | cheater15 | !ssb |
| 22:26.29 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 22:26.46 | Iridos | Bartzy, ^^^ |
| 22:26.49 | jhutchins_lt | bencc: Good luck then! |
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| 22:27.10 | Bartzy | Iridos: But that package is considered unstable... |
| 22:27.18 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: Possibly the fact that it's considered still unstable indicates you shouldn't install it at all just yet. |
| 22:27.23 | Bartzy | and is for a completely different php version.. |
| 22:27.24 | bencc | jhutchins_lt: thanks. next time a deb package... |
| 22:27.40 | tonytraductor | you probably read this already, but, just in case: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#How_to_use_a_WiFi_interface |
| 22:27.49 | Iridos | Bartzy, haha... you meant that as a joke, right? I mean... just now you were willing to install a dotdeb package instead |
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| 22:28.13 | Bartzy | Iridos: And that's not stable? I would have to install entire PHP from sid. |
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| 22:28.16 | jhutchins_lt | bencc: Some people actually build .deb packages when they want something that's not available, makes handling them easier. There are scripts to help. |
| 22:28.24 | simonlnu | who knows what those dotdebs packages are built for |
| 22:29.03 | daemonkeeper | simonlnu: As every external repository: To provide something not available in official repositories. |
| 22:29.06 | tonytraductor | !iw |
| 22:29.06 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 22:29.12 | bencc | jhutchins_lt: I tried it for simple things but for complicated things it gets, well, complicated |
| 22:29.16 | sickgut | the dpkg -r packagename doesnt work |
| 22:29.22 | Iridos | Bartzy, not necessarily... but I was going to say it might not be simple to backport, depending on the necessary dependencies (but you don'T know before you try and have a closer look) |
| 22:29.27 | Bartzy | jhutchins_lt: And that package would never be added to squeeze, right ? Cause it's stable ? |
| 22:29.33 | tonytraductor | see, now, I'm reading that iwconfig, iwlist, etc. is all replaced with simply "iw", but I can't find anyting on this "iw" |
| 22:30.05 | daemonkeeper | simonlnu: For Dotdeb those are mostly server related packages, usually being newer/modified/extended when compared to official packages. And of course completely unsupported by Debian. |
| 22:30.09 | xand | http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Documentation/iw |
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| 22:31.55 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: Well, it could be backported. |
| 22:32.02 | Iridos | Bartzy, right... packages are never added to stable, they will only appear in the next stable (there are backports, though and a growing number of new packages will be provided for stable there over time...) |
| 22:32.27 | Bartzy | and backports are considered stable, right ? |
| 22:32.37 | Iridos | Bartzy, and the very definition of "stable" in Debian is in the sense of "unchanging"... you get a known set of bugs |
| 22:33.15 | tonytraductor | why did I resist learning vim for a whole decade? |
| 22:33.16 | simonlnu | daemonkeeper: that was rhetorical |
| 22:33.28 | tonytraductor | it's really not that difficult |
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| 22:33.34 | Iridos | Bartzy, no, they are considered backports :-P (they do not meet the criterium for "stable" I just gave themselves, but they allow you to get newer packages without bigger changes in libraries etc. in your stable system) |
| 22:33.55 | themill | Bartzy: I think php5-fpm can be enabled in the squeeze package just by rebuilding it. Have a look at its debian/rules. That code was not considered mature enough to land in squeeze. |
| 22:34.12 | Iridos | tonytraductor, because objects in the rear-view-mirror may appear closer than they are |
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| 22:34.52 | Bartzy | themill: How can I see those rules ? |
| 22:34.54 | simonlnu | daemonkeeper: i'm quite familiar with 3rd party repos, official packages, etc. i build packages too, and used to contribute directly to the official packages (quik). |
| 22:35.11 | themill | dpkg: tell Bartzy about debian/rules |
| 22:35.38 | tonytraductor | that's probably it |
| 22:35.40 | themill | Bartzy: it's in the source package; "apt-get source php5" will do that for you if you have a deb-src entry in your sources.list |
| 22:35.40 | Iridos | I hope that factoid contains a line about T-shirts... |
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| 22:36.01 | Bartzy | themill: Cool, thanks. |
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| 22:36.32 | themill | Bartzy: remember to keep recompiling your php5 packages each time a new security update comes out. |
| 22:37.06 | Bartzy | themill: I'll just keep with dotdeb.. |
| 22:37.09 | Bartzy | themill: :\ |
| 22:37.10 | themill | ugh |
| 22:37.15 | Bartzy | Yeah, I know. |
| 22:37.20 | Bartzy | I'll get to it later this week |
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| 22:49.04 | dehaeL | quiet in here today! |
| 22:50.13 | BlackFate | when everything works perfect.. there is nothing to talk about :P |
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| 22:51.12 | tonytraductor | shh |
| 22:51.22 | dehaeL | :) |
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| 23:05.32 | rypervenche | I'm making nautilus scripts, however when I use $1 in any Nautilus folder I get just the filename, and when I use the script on the desktop I get the entire pathname to the file. Anyone know why? It doesn't do this on Ubuntu for example. |
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| 23:06.40 | gpm | hi all. i have a mac os x install dmg which i'd like to write to a usb drive. i tried dd if=osx.dmg of=/dev/usbstick but it didn't quite work. i suspect there's more to it? perhaps some partitioning? is it possible!? all the guides online tell you how to do it on osx |
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| 23:07.09 | Lippaizoli | is it a good query for linux guys? http://href.hu/x/f7lx |
| 23:07.33 | Sander^home | Hi. I just upgraded to squeeze from lenny... and when I log in.. It just hangs. blue screen. |
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| 23:08.51 | Sander^home | Is there any particular files I need to move away from my account? |
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| 23:09.21 | tonytraductor | blue screen on debian? that's weird... |
| 23:09.35 | PizzaPlanet | HI |
| 23:09.37 | tonytraductor | okay, Sander |
| 23:09.47 | Kull | gpm: OSX isnt Debian. |
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| 23:09.53 | tonytraductor | I assume you mean trying to log into gnome from the gdm login screen or something ,yes? |
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| 23:10.02 | gpm | Kull: brilliant work. thanks. |
| 23:10.12 | tonytraductor | OSX != Debian |
| 23:10.20 | gpm | man a room full of geniuses. |
| 23:10.23 | Kull | gpm: This is a Debian-only channel. |
| 23:10.27 | PizzaPlanet | But is Debian OSX? |
| 23:10.35 | gpm | yes yes. i'm trying to write the image in debian |
| 23:10.37 | Kull | gpm: Smart enough to know that OSX is off topic, at least. |
| 23:10.39 | gpm | using debian utilities |
| 23:10.45 | Kull | gpm: You did not say that. |
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| 23:10.50 | tonytraductor | oh now that sounds legit |
| 23:10.51 | gpm | fair enough. |
| 23:10.53 | gpm | haha |
| 23:10.54 | Kull | gpm: you explicity mentioned OSX only. |
| 23:10.54 | gpm | sorry |
| 23:10.58 | gpm | my b |
| 23:10.59 | tonytraductor | you have the image and you want to write it to a usb key |
| 23:11.04 | gpm | i'm a little testy. |
| 23:11.06 | gpm | yeah yeah |
| 23:11.12 | tonytraductor | have you tried that gui tool...what do they call that? |
| 23:11.17 | Sander^home | tonytraductor, yes.. I try to log into gnome |
| 23:11.18 | tonytraductor | unetbootin, or something? |
| 23:11.18 | Kull | unetbootin |
| 23:11.19 | PizzaPlanet | Considering this is a debian-only chat, does he need to mention he's doing it in debian? :o |
| 23:11.36 | gpm | yeah but unetbootin is only for linux ISOs sadly |
| 23:11.41 | tonytraductor | okay, Sander, try to log into a different wm or de or something. |
| 23:11.47 | gpm | PizzaPlanet: hahaha thanks for your defense! |
| 23:11.49 | tonytraductor | I know...you only have gnome installed, right? |
| 23:11.56 | PizzaPlanet | gpm: You're very welcome |
| 23:11.56 | Sander^home | tonytraductor, Now there is a blue screen with only the mouse on.. nothing happens.. |
| 23:12.08 | tonytraductor | log into a shell |
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| 23:12.17 | tonytraductor | without X running |
| 23:12.24 | Sander^home | tonytraductor, I get into a shell without X.. Yes |
| 23:12.33 | gpm | any dd if=osx.dmg of=/dev/usbstick didn't work. |
| 23:12.39 | gpm | s/any/anyway |
| 23:12.41 | PizzaPlanet | Parsifal: Sup bro |
| 23:13.09 | gpm | he's busy listening to wagner |
| 23:13.24 | PizzaPlanet | Damn |
| 23:13.26 | Sander^home | tonytraductor, what to do in the shell? |
| 23:13.37 | gpm | hm |
| 23:13.40 | tonytraductor | okay, now, we could, from here, either repair gnome, or install another wm. |
| 23:13.57 | tonytraductor | or even..probably best, read some logs and see if we can determine with that problem is with gnome |
| 23:14.14 | themill | ,info dmg2img |
| 23:14.14 | judd | Package dmg2img (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: Tool for converting compress dmg files to hfsplus images. Version: 1.6.2-2; Size: 20.6k; Installed: 108k; Homepage: http://advancemame.sourceforge.net/boot-readme.html |
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| 23:14.17 | tonytraductor | you DID get a proper gdm login screen, I assume, which means X itself shouldn't be the problem |
| 23:14.29 | themill | gpm: ^^ nfc if that's actually useful for you |
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| 23:14.36 | scrieler | hi, can anybody pls tell me where I can change the standard file permissions |
| 23:14.38 | scrieler | ? |
| 23:14.40 | tonytraductor | I don't use gnome, but I assume there must be a log somewhere that can indicate why it's not starting properly |
| 23:14.55 | tonytraductor | but, perhaps for now, you could install XFCE or someting |
| 23:15.02 | tonytraductor | it's relatively similar to gnome |
| 23:15.31 | Parsifal | Might be worthwhile stopping gdm and trying to start GNOME from the shell, see what messages come up |
| 23:15.41 | gpm | themill: huh? |
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| 23:15.59 | tonytraductor | tail dmesg and see if there's anything in there, maybe, that indicates what gnome is doing |
| 23:16.01 | Sander^home | tonytraductor, How do I install XFCE? |
| 23:16.11 | Hezy | I feel someone was speaking about xfce here ;) |
| 23:16.12 | tonytraductor | sudo aptitude install xfce4-desktop |
| 23:16.13 | Calyp | hi, nayone have a clue as to why i don' |
| 23:16.25 | Calyp | *don't get audio from audacious? |
| 23:16.44 | Parsifal | Sander^home, tonytraductor: The package is xfce4, not xfce4-desktop |
| 23:16.45 | tonytraductor | or, if you haven't added a sudoers file just su, first, then aptitude install xfce4-desktop |
| 23:16.54 | tonytraductor | o rly? |
| 23:16.56 | tonytraductor | sorry |
| 23:17.08 | PizzaPlanet | Calyp: Possibly there is something wrong with your audio settings or audacious. |
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| 23:17.19 | PizzaPlanet | You should do something about it. |
| 23:17.31 | tonytraductor | this is what I get for not using popular desktop environments |
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| 23:17.37 | tonytraductor | I've forgotten how to use or install them |
| 23:17.42 | mastamind | hi. is there a good tutorial for cluster lvm with squeeze? |
| 23:18.01 | tonytraductor | but they all seem to just be getting more and more complicated and bloated...urgh |
| 23:18.12 | Calyp | well, it's playing, i see the VU meter moving, i hhave audio for other stuff, i have volumme up etc.. |
| 23:18.19 | mastamind | cluster lvm seems to be _very_ broken with squeeze. :-((( |
| 23:18.29 | Sander^home | tonytraductor, How do I switch wm? |
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| 23:18.42 | PizzaPlanet | Calyp: Perhaps you need to select the output somewhere? |
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| 23:18.45 | tonytraductor | once XFCE isinstalled, it should be an option in the gdm menu |
| 23:18.47 | Calyp | perhaps a bit ot, but there is just no responce in #audacious =P |
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| 23:19.24 | mastamind | how can I prevent clvmd to be started while booting? |
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| 23:19.32 | tonytraductor | when you startx and get gdm up again, click "session" and just choose xfce |
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| 23:20.00 | mastamind | I always get "clvmd startup timed out". |
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| 23:20.36 | mastamind | then after some minutes, I get "dlm: connecting to 2" about 20 times per second. |
| 23:20.51 | Calyp | ah, found it, nvmd |
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| 23:21.02 | Sander^home | tonytraductor, thank.. worked :-) |
| 23:21.06 | Sander^home | s |
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| 23:21.38 | mastamind | please.... |
| 23:21.43 | mastamind | i really need help. :-( |
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| 23:22.11 | tonytraductor | co0l. now, I'm sorry I don't know how to diagnose gnome better, but, at least you have a relatively comfortable environment to work from, yes? |
| 23:22.39 | tonytraductor | likely somebody here knows better than I how to diagnose and fix gnome |
| 23:22.43 | tonytraductor | maybe just reinstall it? |
| 23:22.46 | tonytraductor | for starters |
| 23:22.56 | tonytraductor | xfce is nice though |
| 23:23.06 | tonytraductor | I use openbox, primarily, sometimes wmii or tritium |
| 23:23.13 | tonytraductor | but xfce is not too bad |
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| 23:23.58 | mastamind | please... |
| 23:24.04 | Parsifal | I'm a fan of Xfce myself, and sometimes running startxfce4 instead of logging in from a DM is a good way to diagnose it. Not sure if GNOME has an equivalent to startxfce4. |
| 23:25.09 | gpm | themill: oh yeah. i have decompressed it to an img |
| 23:25.14 | c3l | Regarding updates on stable; im running a small server that I havent updated anything on since its install, shortly after squeeze got released. is it safe to just do # aptitude upgrade? would I need to restart some processes or something like that? |
| 23:25.37 | gpm | themill: from there do i dd the img to the disk directly? |
| 23:25.55 | Parsifal | c3l: The prerm and postinst scripts should automatically restart any services that need restarting. |
| 23:26.02 | gpm | themill: do i create an hfs+ partition and copy the files from mounting the dmg? |
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| 23:26.12 | Parsifal | So yes, you should just be able to run aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade (or safe-upgrade, if you prefer) |
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| 23:26.25 | themill | gpm: nfc. the only use for macs that I've ever found was as boat anchors |
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| 23:26.47 | gpm | themill: haha ok i'll try bouth |
| 23:26.48 | gpm | both |
| 23:26.48 | c3l | Parsifal: thank you |
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| 23:29.45 | ikawe | oh man, I don't know who joeyh is, but I owe him. |
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| 23:29.52 | ikawe | nightly install images: http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/netboot/debian-installer/i386/ |
| 23:30.11 | dondelelcaro | most everybody owes joeyh a lot |
| 23:30.18 | Hezy | Parsifal: I didn't know about startxfce4, but I should have guess there is something like it. cool |
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| 23:31.01 | introuble | is it possible to plan a sniffer or data collector of clients that use a specific isp, by a sniffer or data collector OUTSIDE the isp , just where its boundries end. may be at the router. doing all this WITHOUT compromising isp machines or involving midle man isps. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/828/98710181.jpg/ |
| 23:32.37 | PizzaPlanet | lol wut |
| 23:32.59 | robokop | introuble: short answer: yes, long answer don't |
| 23:33.50 | introuble | yes. how? |
| 23:34.59 | PizzaPlanet | introuble: Why would you need someone's sensitive information? |
| 23:35.15 | introuble | assignment |
| 23:35.57 | PizzaPlanet | What kind of assignment? |
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| 23:37.34 | introuble | explaing the ways of security |
| 23:37.38 | introuble | suppose in my country. my univerisy sends newsletter emails to all students every month. university is in u.k . iam in india. is it possible to collect all emails address of students... i guess yes. sniff isp for senders email (well know university mail address) and that will give all emails sent to students in a city or country) right? the emails of students are of different isps. like hotmail. yahoo. gmail. and university sends emails to all those st |
| 23:37.44 | JyZyXEL | anybody happen to know a fast way to send some files to a windows file share with samba? |
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| 23:40.12 | Iridos | smbclient? |
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| 23:44.10 | manchot | does debian use Solaris init system? |
| 23:44.40 | daemonkeeper | No |
| 23:45.24 | manchot | daemonkeeper, do you have experience using monit to monitor cron? |
| 23:45.40 | manchot | monit can't start cron service |
| 23:45.57 | daemonkeeper | Because cron is started by default, if you install it. |
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| 23:50.36 | tensorpudding | debian's moving to upstart isn't it? |
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| 23:51.01 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 23:51.20 | daemonkeeper | (For god's sake!) |
| 23:52.22 | tensorpudding | i thought i read that it was, like a while ago |
| 23:52.43 | daemonkeeper | We're not Ubuntu |
| 23:52.59 | daemonkeeper | Debian moved to insserv for Squeeze |
| 23:53.12 | daemonkeeper | upstart is available in Debian as well (of course) |
| 23:53.21 | tensorpudding | what's insserv |
| 23:53.27 | Arrowmaster | its kinda broken afaik though |
| 23:53.32 | tensorpudding | (why do all the distros have different sysv replacements) |
| 23:53.36 | daemonkeeper | !insserver |
| 23:53.37 | daemonkeeper | !insserv |
| 23:53.38 | Arrowmaster | i doubt upstart will ever be officially supported on debian |
| 23:53.58 | daemonkeeper | !insserv |
| 23:53.58 | dpkg | insserv is a dependency-based <init> system that is compatible with <sysvinit> and is the default from squeeze onwards. To use insserv, your init scripts need to have tags at the top of them that describe what they depend on, to permit the correct ordering of the init scripts; ask me about <missing lsb tags>. |
| 23:53.58 | Parsifal | Debian can't move to upstart because it only works on Linux, afaik |
| 23:54.03 | Parsifal | So the kfreebsd ports can't use it |
| 23:54.14 | daemonkeeper | Parsifal: And its terribly buggy. |
| 23:54.20 | tensorpudding | i guess it doesn't matter because people will be writing sysv initscripts forever because all the new ones are compatible with it |
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| 23:54.34 | Arrowmaster | doesnt upstart also only work on 386 and amd64 |
| 23:54.43 | tensorpudding | i don't think so |
| 23:54.53 | Arrowmaster | well i didnt think it worked on armel |
| 23:54.53 | tensorpudding | since ubuntu supports other architectures |
| 23:55.00 | Arrowmaster | no it doesnt |
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| 23:55.17 | Arrowmaster | ubuntu only supports like 2 or 3 arches |
| 23:55.51 | daemonkeeper | Ubuntu only supports x86/AMD64. There is an unofficial PPC port. Not it would be relevant in #debian |
| 23:55.51 | tensorpudding | it only officially supports those three |
| 23:57.01 | tensorpudding | there's still a ppc ubuntu, it's just not official |
| 23:57.26 | tensorpudding | i think sparc is dead though |
| 23:57.29 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 23:57.44 | tensorpudding | but anyway, why does debian use insserv? |
| 23:57.59 | daemonkeeper | Why not? |
| 23:58.07 | Arrowmaster | because it works on everything |
| 23:58.27 | Arrowmaster | and is fully compatible with sysvinit |
| 23:58.41 | tensorpudding | why not upstart? |
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| 23:59.00 | daemonkeeper | Because upstart sucks and the real reasons have been outlined above already |
| 23:59.10 | Arrowmaster | because as i said it doesnt work on everything |
| 23:59.18 | tensorpudding | why does upstart "suck"? |
| 23:59.34 | daemonkeeper | its buggy, its not compatible to anything and its not portable. |
| 23:59.55 | tensorpudding | system 5 initscripts work fine on it |
