| 00:00.04 | daemonkeeper | In legacy mode |
| 00:00.16 | tensorpudding | there's a different way of doing it? |
| 00:00.42 | tensorpudding | okay, if not upstart, then why not systemd |
| 00:00.55 | Arrowmaster | systemd is still in development |
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| 00:01.09 | daemonkeeper | Might be an alternative though, in the long term |
| 00:01.33 | Arrowmaster | im guessing there is hope to use systemd in the future depending on how things turn out during development |
| 00:01.43 | tensorpudding | i don't see why they wanted to make something new when there were already alternatives, instead of fixing the alternatives? |
| 00:02.04 | Arrowmaster | insserv isnt really new, its more like fixing sysvinit |
| 00:02.20 | Arrowmaster | the others have started over from scratch |
| 00:02.26 | daemonkeeper | Because open source is about concurrency. Everyone can do its own, in the end the best solution(s) survive |
| 00:02.43 | tensorpudding | except that's not true |
| 00:02.57 | tensorpudding | there end up being a dozen different distros, each with their own tools |
| 00:03.06 | Arrowmaster | you absolutely right, just look how much usage upstart has |
| 00:03.17 | daemonkeeper | And how many are noteworthy? |
| 00:03.27 | tensorpudding | i think there are about a dozen noteworthy distros |
| 00:03.35 | tensorpudding | maybe that's a little bit generous though |
| 00:03.38 | Arrowmaster | i cant think of a dozen |
| 00:03.42 | themill | tensorpudding, daemonkeeper, Arrowmaster: This is straying a very long way from debian user support. Perhaps ##linux or #debian-offtopic would be better places to go. |
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| 00:04.03 | daemonkeeper | Sorry, you're right. |
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| 00:04.33 | jhutchins_lt | So what does define the text displayed at a console login prompt? |
| 00:06.15 | ikawe | /etc/motd |
| 00:07.47 | daemonkeeper | jhutchins_lt: Perhaps you mean /etc/issue |
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| 00:08.28 | jhutchins_lt | ikawe: I'm talking about "Debian GNU/Linux <ver> <hostname> <tty#> \n <hostname> login:" |
| 00:08.37 | daemonkeeper | /etc/issue then |
| 00:08.54 | daemonkeeper | The prompt itself comes from login(1) |
| 00:09.06 | tensorpudding | what group handles porting ubuntu packages to debian? |
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| 00:09.18 | jhutchins_lt | daemonkeeper: So recompile to change? |
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| 00:09.39 | daemonkeeper | tensorpudding: #debian-ubuntu |
| 00:09.49 | jhutchins_lt | There's more than /etc/issue on the first line, unless /n /l has unusual meaning. |
| 00:09.49 | daemonkeeper | jhutchins_lt: Depends on what you want to achieve? |
| 00:10.08 | babilen | tensorpudding: (on irc.debian.org / irc.oftc.net) |
| 00:10.15 | jhutchins_lt | daemonkeeper: Well, someone was wanting to display IP instead of/in addition to hostname. |
| 00:10.17 | tensorpudding | i can see that the application indicators library was ported but the python bindings aren't |
| 00:10.22 | jhutchins_lt | daemonkeeper: Could be achieved by issue, but ... |
| 00:10.39 | jhutchins_lt | So I was looking for where it comes from. man login didn't say. |
| 00:10.41 | Arrowmaster | ah thats done by pam_motd |
| 00:10.42 | daemonkeeper | jhutchins_lt: it has a different meaning. The exact meaning depends on the getty |
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| 00:11.17 | jhutchins_lt | daemonkeeper: Looks a lot more like newline than <hostname> <tty#> |
| 00:11.31 | daemonkeeper | as said, that part comes from login |
| 00:11.35 | jhutchins_lt | But I guess... /n = name, /l = logindevice. |
| 00:11.56 | jhutchins_lt | daemonkeeper: Comes from the login binary. |
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| 00:12.44 | daemonkeeper | /etc/issues; login prompt / tty; /etc/motd. That's the stuff coming into play here |
| 00:12.48 | jhutchins_lt | What package contains the "strings" command? |
| 00:13.09 | daemonkeeper | binutils |
| 00:13.13 | daemonkeeper | and use apt-file |
| 00:13.19 | daemonkeeper | (or apt-cache) |
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| 00:13.27 | Parsifal | Or dpkg -S |
| 00:13.36 | jhutchins_lt | daemonkeeper: Try apt-file search strings. |
| 00:13.39 | tonytraductor | why isn't vundle in our repos? |
| 00:13.58 | daemonkeeper | jhutchins_lt: try apt-file search bin/strings (my magic keyword for searching binaries) |
| 00:14.17 | jhutchins_lt | daemonkeeper: I guess that would cover sbin as well. |
| 00:14.23 | daemonkeeper | so? |
| 00:14.37 | themill | jhutchins_lt: I'm sure you can manually search all 5 results |
| 00:14.37 | jhutchins_lt | daemonkeeper: Was trying to think of how to narrow it to a command when you didn't know which path it was in. |
| 00:14.41 | tonytraductor | oh, sorry, I meant to share that with #vim |
| 00:14.45 | tonytraductor | wrong chan |
| 00:14.47 | jhutchins_lt | I suppose you could | grep bin as well. |
| 00:15.06 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Which 5? |
| 00:15.15 | themill | apt-file search bin/strings |
| 00:15.56 | Calyp | run into another issue... upgreded to wheezy, and now gedit is gone, and won't install o_O |
| 00:15.58 | jhutchins_lt | Yes, that's reasonable. |
| 00:16.20 | Calyp | Package gedit is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 00:16.20 | Calyp | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 00:16.20 | Calyp | is only available from another source E: Package 'gedit' has no installation candidate |
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| 00:16.36 | daemonkeeper | Calyp: Please uste paste.debian.net |
| 00:16.49 | Iridos | judd, versions gedit |
| 00:16.51 | judd | Package gedit on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.3-1+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.22.3-1+lenny1; squeeze: 2.30.4-1squeeze1; sid: 2.30.4-2; wheezy: 2.30.4-2; experimental: 3.0.0-1 |
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| 00:17.17 | jhutchins_lt | daemonkeeper: Yeah, it's in the binary. |
| 00:17.43 | Calyp | Iridos: suggestion? |
| 00:17.47 | jhutchins_lt | You would think it's be in the conf file but oh well. |
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| 00:18.16 | Parsifal | Calyp: Try running "aptitude update" again |
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| 00:19.32 | tonytraductor | gosh, that was fun |
| 00:19.47 | Calyp | Parsifal: ah, here we go.. |
| 00:20.00 | dvs | identity crisis? |
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| 00:20.17 | whoever | can't find lib32usb is it under a differnent name ? |
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| 00:27.09 | LinuxGuy2009 | I was wondering if there are any places known to have a deb package build of Ardour digital audio workstation for Squeeze, with VST support. Its something I would really love to have. |
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| 00:28.44 | moele | LinuxGuy2009, Compile from source? |
| 00:28.46 | LinuxGuy2009 | Or maybe some kind of wrapper or way to use the many many free VST plugins available online along with the Ardour that is already in the repositories? |
| 00:28.59 | LinuxGuy2009 | moele: Is that pretty hard to do? |
| 00:29.15 | moele | well there is an apt package as well |
| 00:29.18 | moele | if you do apt-cache search ardour |
| 00:29.21 | moele | you'll see it. |
| 00:29.42 | LinuxGuy2009 | Yeah but I dont think the one in the repo has VST support. |
| 00:30.29 | daemonkeeper | I have no clue what ardour or VST is, but if the package is available, get the package source and rebuild it with all changes you need |
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| 00:31.18 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok maybe Ill attempt that. |
| 00:31.19 | moele | that is simple enough |
| 00:31.43 | daemonkeeper | !package recompile |
| 00:31.43 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <apt-get source>. |
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| 00:53.42 | moniker326 | hello room |
| 00:53.45 | moniker326 | noob here |
| 00:54.16 | daemonkeeper | !noob |
| 00:54.16 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 00:54.18 | moniker326 | trying to figure out bugzilla and the appropriate way to make the symbolic links for multiple apps on webserver |
| 00:55.14 | moniker326 | do you put them in public_html or just root for the website?? |
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| 00:55.40 | moniker326 | or I've read it ran under cgi.. but confused on that point |
| 00:56.51 | moniker326 | anyone direct me the right way. I know HOW to do the symbolic links just making sure I'm following best security |
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| 01:03.09 | kgoetz | moniker326: how did you install it? |
| 01:03.31 | moniker326 | through apt-get |
| 01:03.54 | moniker326 | so resides in /user/share/bugzilla3 |
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| 01:04.15 | kgoetz | s/user/usr |
| 01:04.36 | kgoetz | moniker326: /usr/share/doc/bugzilla3 should have documentation on how to configure it for multiple instances |
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| 01:12.31 | christophocles | quick question --- howcome 'aptitude search sabnzbdplus' returns no results when it is clearly in the 'contrib' repository http://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze/sabnzbdplus |
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| 01:12.48 | christophocles | and i have contrib in my sources.list |
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| 01:14.43 | christophocles | anybody? |
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| 01:18.13 | ddan | christophocles, try with "apt-cache search sabnzbdplus" |
| 01:18.26 | rww | christophocles: have you done 'aptitude update' since putting contrib in your sources.list? |
| 01:18.59 | christophocles | yes i have |
| 01:19.10 | christophocles | and apt-cache search did not return anything either... |
| 01:19.22 | rww | christophocles: pastebin the output of apt-cache policy |
| 01:19.51 | christophocles | heres the line in my sources.list 'deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free restricted' |
| 01:19.55 | christophocles | brb lemme get the pastebin |
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| 01:20.27 | rww | This isn't related, but debian has no 'restricted' archive area. |
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| 01:21.55 | christophocles | this is kind of troublesome, as the debian box is a separate pc from my irc client and it is console-mode only |
| 01:22.02 | christophocles | what am i looking for here? |
| 01:22.24 | christophocles | all repos are 500 |
| 01:22.26 | rww | !pastebinit |
| 01:22.26 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". |
| 01:23.28 | christophocles | ok thx, will try that brb |
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| 01:24.12 | twanny796 | after booting the monitor looses sync, something from grub?? |
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| 01:27.28 | jair | I am sorry guys for bothering with this, I have this done before but I haven't touch my network configuration in a while and the information in internet is way more complicated to what I am trying to do |
| 01:28.02 | darwin | I am trying to make Debian DVD 1 to install. When I use K3b, the md5sum is fine, but I got read errors for two DVDs so far while verifying the data |
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| 01:29.12 | jair | I have debian squeeze 64bit and I have an access point on the building I live the essid is "cactus" and the network is open not encryption, when I boot debian I need to start the terminal and run the iwconfig commands |
| 01:29.31 | christophocles | rww, http://pastebin.com/9VX7tWVu |
| 01:30.27 | rww | christophocles: you didn't add contrib or non-free to the squeeze line, just the squeeze-updates line. You need it on both. |
| 01:30.44 | jair | is there a way I can configure the wlan0 interface to connect to the access point and request an IP address using the commands iwconfig wlan0 essid "cactus", blah blah dhclient wlan0 and done while the computer boots? |
| 01:30.53 | christophocles | it is on every line though |
| 01:31.04 | rww | christophocles: Not according to apt, it isn't |
| 01:31.24 | kgoetz | jair: man 5 interfaces, you can set all that in there |
| 01:31.25 | christophocles | http://pastebin.com/2ggPfbYE |
| 01:32.24 | christophocles | every line that said "main" i changed to "main contrib non-free" |
| 01:32.27 | rww | christophocles: remove 'restricted' from everywhere in that file and rerun aptitude update |
| 01:32.30 | christophocles | do i need to add a new line |
| 01:33.15 | rww | because apt-cache policy doesn't match your sources.list at all, so apparently it dislikes the non-existant archive area more than I thought it would (or you didn't run aptitude update). |
| 01:33.49 | jair | kgoetz: man 5? |
| 01:34.14 | christophocles | ok it worked.... removing the 'restricted' fixed it. thank you |
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| 01:35.48 | kgoetz | jair: 'man 5 interfaces' (man section 5 is configuration files) |
| 01:35.51 | kgoetz | -> afk |
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| 01:36.54 | jair | kgoetz: I am pretty new all I am trying to accomplish is boot the machine and during boot time have the wireless connection be executed understand? |
| 01:37.07 | mardok_ | How does Debian set up your encrypted home directory so that it automatically decrypts when you login? |
| 01:37.32 | jair | I know I need to put some parameters in "/etc/network/interfaces" which is similar to what I do manually |
| 01:38.58 | ectospasm | mardok_: that depends on how it's encrypted. Personally, I use ecryptfs, and I don't encrypt my entire /home/<user> directory |
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| 01:42.04 | jair | does anyone here know the room to discuss about wireless networks in debian/ubuntu? |
| 01:43.17 | mardok_ | ectospasm: Debian gives you an option to encrypt your home directory when you install it. That's the encryption setup I want, something that's not too complicated. Is encryptfs fairly simple to set up? |
| 01:44.05 | ectospasm | mardok_: I find ecryptfs very easy to set up |
| 01:44.09 | ectospasm | YMMV, of course. |
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| 01:44.26 | mardok_ | ectospasm: Okay, thank you |
| 01:46.42 | mardok_ | jair: Are you trying to get your wireless to automatically connect on boot, or just have your wireless be set up to be connected on boot? |
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| 01:50.17 | laurus | What is the recommended way to install Debian Wheezy? |
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| 01:51.30 | jair | mardok_: all I am trying to do is, whenever I boot my debian squeeze system the wireless card connects and obtain a dynamic ip (dhcp) from the (open NO enc) Access point in the business center of my building |
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| 01:54.04 | jair | mardok_: do I need to create a script and place it in the rc.d scripts? I can't believe this |
| 01:54.11 | Parsifal | laurus: I've had better luck installing squeeze and upgrading than using the testing installer. |
| 01:54.20 | laurus | Parsifal, really, what happened? |
| 01:54.27 | jair | can wpa supplicant connect me to a not encrypted network? |
| 01:54.54 | jair | i used to run wpa-supplicant for my encrypted networks and connected without issues |
| 01:54.56 | Parsifal | laurus: Nothing in particular, just the testing installer can be a bit hit or miss as it's built automatically every so often, so it sometimes has bugs. |
| 01:55.12 | Parsifal | laurus: The stable installer is built once and much better tested, so it pretty much always works. |
| 01:55.26 | jair | I am trying to do a simple open not encrypted network and can't believe there is not a simpler wey |
| 01:55.29 | jair | way |
| 01:55.37 | laurus | Parsifal, but for example, upgrading from Xfce 4.6 to 4.8, won't that leave a lot of unused configuration files, etc? |
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| 01:56.20 | Parsifal | laurus: It might, but shouldn't if the packages are designed properly. If you're worried, you can do a minimal squeeze install (i.e. without Xfce), upgrade to wheezy, and then install Xfce. |
| 01:56.42 | Parsifal | laurus: You should probably be aware that Xfce in testing is a bit broken at the moment, as there are parts of 4.8 and parts of 4.6 |
| 01:56.44 | laurus | Parsifal, alright thanks! I'll probably actually try that testing installer first and then if something goes haywire, I'll fall back to the normal installer and upgrade. |
| 01:56.50 | laurus | Parsifal, oh really? |
| 01:56.51 | mardok_ | jair: Did you try this? http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/networking/43978-ubuntu-wireless-boot-connect.html |
| 01:57.28 | Parsifal | laurus: Hmm, no. Looks like it's recently got all of Xfce 4.8 |
| 01:57.36 | Parsifal | laurus: My mistake, it was broken for a while. |
| 01:57.55 | laurus | Parsifal, ah okay, good to know! Thanks :) |
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| 02:01.36 | laurus | Parsifal, is there a standard way to install from a USB flash drive? |
| 02:01.48 | laurus | Or do I just copy the ISO onto it and select "Boot from USB" from the BIOS? |
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| 02:03.09 | MrFrood | !tell laurus about usb boot |
| 02:03.22 | laurus | MrFrood, thanks! |
| 02:04.20 | jair | mardok_: I appreciate your help but I did this: and it works :) ----> http://paste.debian.net/116236/ |
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| 02:06.12 | jair | kgoetz: here for you lazy ass if you don't know something you should not be sending me to read crap! ---http://paste.debian.net/116236/ this is one way to do it. |
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| 02:07.30 | jair | To all here we are here to help people and help each other if I know an answer and I can provide it to a newbie why not!!!!! We need to make the new people feel welcome that's the way how we will keep growing. |
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| 02:08.44 | jair | here is how you can configure your wireless network at bootime using linux debian squeeze 32 or 64bit enjoy it! for all the newbies and others that don't understand wireless in linux! ==> http://paste.debian.net/116236/ |
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| 02:14.40 | laurus | MrFrood, how do I tell which /dev/sdX is my USB stick? |
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| 02:15.52 | MrFrood | trial & error..? |
| 02:16.02 | laurus | MrFrood, um, I don't want to cat the ISO over my hard drive |
| 02:16.09 | laurus | For obvious reasons ;) |
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| 02:17.08 | laurus | Is there a way to find out? |
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| 02:18.33 | karlpinc_ | laurus: You can watch the dmesg output when you plug it in. |
| 02:18.40 | MrFrood | most likly but I don't use usb drive much :-/ |
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| 02:18.46 | laurus | MrFrood, that's ok thanks |
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| 02:18.51 | laurus | karlpinc_, I found it: |
| 02:19.00 | laurus | dmesg | grep scsi -A 3 |
| 02:19.03 | karlpinc_ | laurus: Or you can note the uuid and use file -s |
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| 02:19.12 | laurus | karlpinc_, oh thanks, that's neat |
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| 02:25.54 | Parsifal | laurus: If it's the last thing you plugged in, it's also likely to be the highest lettered one. You could also view the partition table with fdisk and see which one is the right size. |
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| 02:26.59 | gNewPower | Hi - is anybody here using "Debian CUT"? |
| 02:28.02 | Parsifal | !anyone |
| 02:28.02 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 02:32.31 | mkfort | what is Debian CUT? |
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| 02:34.01 | ion_ | how do I fix my a synaptic package manager |
| 02:34.05 | Parsifal | !tell mkfort about debian cut |
| 02:34.27 | ion_ | without change my OS I'm using lenny and I want to keep like that ... |
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| 02:34.37 | mkfort | oh |
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| 02:34.53 | mkfort | I'm a big fan of rolling, I just converted from arch |
| 02:34.55 | ion_ | I typed apt-get install -f but didn't work... |
| 02:34.57 | Joelito | hi, how can I write a wrapper for xinit? |
| 02:35.50 | ion_ | ? |
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| 02:37.47 | ion_ | how do I fix my synaptic ? |
| 02:38.45 | ion_ | but without change my version of debian ... |
| 02:38.50 | ion_ | I want to keep the same one .. |
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| 02:40.39 | ion_ | anyone can help me out, please ? |
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| 02:42.31 | raenk | So, i'm running FSCk because of a hard reboot and one partition has multiply-claimed blocks, I said 'yes' on cloning them and it just loops over the same inodes over and over again and never stops, tried not to clone the blocks and erase the files and same story, never stops and asks about the sames inodes over and over again, any clue on the better exit to this ? |
| 02:42.43 | mkfort | ion_: can you clarify your question? |
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| 02:43.52 | raenk | or should I just not FSCK the partition again ? |
| 02:43.52 | laurus | ion_what is your problem exactly with Synaptic?? |
| 02:44.18 | ion_ | mkfort: I tryed to install a program and I now I can't use apt-get install so I try to fix it using apt-get install -f but I could't ... |
| 02:45.55 | streuner | Show us the exact error and your sources.list in a pastebin, do you use pinning? |
| 02:46.22 | streuner | What does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say, btw? |
| 02:46.58 | ion_ | ? |
| 02:47.22 | PizzaPlanet | ion_: What errors do you get, exactly? |
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| 02:48.55 | mkfort | paste.debian.net |
| 02:49.12 | mkfort | put your errors there and post it here |
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| 02:51.33 | ion_ | PizzaPlanet: http://pastebin.archlinux.fr/432329 |
| 02:52.25 | Parsifal | ion_: You need to use backports.debian.org, not www.backports.org, in your sources.list |
| 02:52.33 | streuner | !backports |
| 02:52.33 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 02:53.38 | streuner | ion_: backports are now part of official Debian... |
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| 02:53.43 | DammitJim | if I am running squeeze, can I fairly safely use the wheezy multimedia repo to update xbmc? |
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| 02:55.18 | streuner | DMM has stable/testing/unstable mirrors |
| 02:55.19 | Parsifal | DammitJim: You might be able to, but it (both debian-multimedia and mixing squeeze with wheezy) is unsupported by Debian, so you should only do it if you're confident you can fix any problems yourself. |
| 02:55.27 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 02:55.27 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt ]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Lenny, Squeeze, and any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
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| 02:57.06 | DammitJim | how else do you guys recommend me to bring XBMC to 10.1 from 10.05? |
| 02:57.37 | streuner | besides of all this, why do you think you need 10.05 at all? |
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| 02:57.50 | streuner | ehm, 10.1? |
| 02:58.15 | DammitJim | there is a bug in XBMC that was fixed on 10.1 (xbmc keeps crashing when streaming certain videos that I have) |
| 02:58.24 | DammitJim | I guess I just need to compile it myself |
| 02:58.47 | DammitJim | I just don't know how the apps get added to the repos |
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| 02:59.56 | streuner | DammitJim: usually i would say, just use a simple sid backport, but iam not sure if that works with DMM as well |
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| 03:01.21 | DammitJim | I guess I'll set up a test machine and just do it :) |
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| 03:01.48 | streuner | or just install the package out of testing and see what happens |
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| 03:04.35 | ion_ | streuner: do you know how to install hercules which is a mainframe emulator |
| 03:04.46 | ion_ | ? |
| 03:05.28 | DammitJim | is there really no hard drive fragmentation with ext3? |
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| 03:14.29 | mkfort | no |
| 03:14.44 | mkfort | there will always be fragmentation with any filesystem |
| 03:14.54 | mkfort | whether it's a problem is another question |
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| 03:20.23 | ActionParsnip | !dpkg |
| 03:20.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 03:21.37 | laurus | What does selecting the "Laptop" option in the Debian installer give? |
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| 03:35.30 | mkfort | does anyone know about these âHash Sum mismatchâ type errors? They seem to be getting worse and it's annoying not being able to upgrade my system properly |
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| 03:40.26 | sombunall | why does the install button stay grey for all extensions in chromium-browser? it doesn't like the old version from the repos? can't google it |
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| 03:42.16 | MrFrood | mkfort: just try another mirror |
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| 03:44.43 | MrFrood | rww: use some filters so you don't see the crud :P |
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| 03:50.31 | kabars_edge | alright, fellow debianites, I have something funny for you. My machine HP DX5150 has a Broadcom 5751Gb ethernet card, it is suppose to require teh tg3 driver. When I try to install with squeeze, it recognizes the card, but can't communicate with the network. but, when i run a lenny live cd, it loads the tg3 module fine, and can connect with the network with no issues? =-O What is causing this? |
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| 03:57.50 | MrFrood | !firmware |
| 03:57.50 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages. See also <search>, <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 03:58.53 | jmarsden | !tg3 |
| 03:58.53 | dpkg | [tg3] the driver for Broadcom Tigon3 (aka NetXtreme I) Ethernet chipsets, included in mainline Linux kernels. Firmware from userspace (Debian 2.6.29 and later kernels) is only required for support of the BCM5701 A0 chipset or for TCP Segment Offloading (<TSO>) functionality. Tigon3 firmware (tg3.bin, tg3_tso5.bin, tg3_tso.bin) is packaged in firmware-linux-nonfree, ask me about <non-free sources>. See also <firmware images>. |
| 04:00.36 | jmarsden | kabars_edge: Try installing the firmware-linux-nonfree package. |
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| 04:11.23 | sombunall | i installed the latest version of chrome without doing aptitude purge chromium-browser first is that bad? I keep getting the old version |
| 04:11.52 | sombunall | i put in the 2 dependencies it needed |
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| 04:13.56 | craigevil | chrome and chromium-browser can both be installed without any issues |
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| 04:15.11 | sombunall | can't fine the exe |
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| 04:16.15 | craigevil | aptitude install google-chrome-stable after adding the google repo to your sources.list |
| 04:16.29 | sombunall | i used dpkg -i |
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| 04:19.53 | sombunall | oh its not in the path. its called /opt/google/chrome/chrome keep forgetting about opt! |
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| 04:20.18 | sombunall | or automatic by x-www-browser |
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| 04:22.37 | sombunall | what the heck does "XID collision, trouble ahead" mean |
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| 04:31.44 | cretsiah | ? bout debian squeeze netinstaller, can it install over wifi with wpa2? |
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| 04:33.30 | Talon_ | cretsiah: most likely, but chances are, like myself, you'll have a wireless controller which has proprietary firmware to run which you must download first and have readily available on a disk to be able to use wireless networks. |
| 04:36.51 | cretsiah | dlink dwa-510 pci if thats any help |
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| 04:45.07 | streuner | cretsiah: |
| 04:45.36 | streuner | cretsiah: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/ch02s02.html.en |
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| 04:47.26 | LetterRip | hi all having booting problems, after a net install i can boot off my USB key, but not off the hard drive. I was installing via USB key because the vista partition and the vista recover partition were not working |
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| 04:48.17 | LetterRip | here is the output i get - http://pasteall.org/21441 |
| 04:48.23 | LetterRip | describing my setup |
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| 04:50.04 | dlumberg | howdy |
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| 04:51.31 | dlumberg | anybody know much about php/apache2 configs? |
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| 04:51.59 | dlumberg | I upgraded to squeeze and now php won't open files in the include_path |
| 04:53.28 | LetterRip | it looks like it is defaulting to my usbkey looking for the kernel |
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| 04:57.36 | belak | How does package signing work? Is it similar to public-private key encryption? |
| 04:58.16 | LetterRip | belak, i believe so |
| 04:59.29 | belak | So, whoever makes the package signs it with, essentially, a private key, and if it matches with the public one stored as a repo-signing key, it's a valid package? |
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| 05:02.08 | mnajem | hi |
| 05:02.12 | mnajem | just want to know |
| 05:02.26 | mnajem | why 2 mouse click copy-paste can't work in my xterm/mrxvt? |
| 05:02.35 | mnajem | any special settings? |
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| 05:09.32 | simonlnu | you need 3 mouse button emulation turned on |
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| 05:11.06 | mnajem | simonlnu, how? |
| 05:11.49 | lethias | I've used linux for several years now, but I've always had one question? Why are 90% of apps programmed in C instead of C++? Just a random curious question. :) |
| 05:12.13 | simonlnu | man xorg.conf |
| 05:12.29 | ectospasm | lethias: C is more low-level |
| 05:12.42 | ectospasm | lethias: much of the existing libraries are built for C |
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| 05:13.54 | htoothrot | C++ is insane, that why :) |
| 05:14.11 | lethias | ectospasm, ah well that makes descent enough sense. I'm reading and learning how to program in c++ with Bjarne Stroustrup official book. |
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| 05:14.44 | lethias | The question hit bout a chapter in as to why. I'd never read or heard the real meaning as to why. But that makes enough sense to me. lol |
| 05:14.50 | belak | is there an apt option to ignore the check on whether a package is signed or not? |
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| 05:18.50 | Rehan | guys when I do "df" from a command prompt, my disk shows it has 9.9 GB size total but I know its a 16GB disk and in Gparted it shows it as being 14.91GB. I did copy a 10GB image from another disk to this disk and I'm wondering if its made it 10GB now even though its a 16GB disk. Could anyone assist? |
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| 05:19.14 | Parsifal | Rehan: df measures the file system size, not the disk size |
| 05:19.22 | dlumberg | how did you copy it? dd? |
| 05:19.24 | Parsifal | Rehan: If you copied a file system image that is only 10G, then df will show 10G |
| 05:19.35 | dlumberg | dd will copy the image to the same size |
| 05:19.39 | Rehan | dlumberg: yes, dd |
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| 05:19.59 | Parsifal | Rehan: If it's ext2 or ext3, you can simply run resize2fs on it and it will expand to fill the partition it is on |
| 05:20.00 | Rehan | Parsifal: does that mean if i reach the 10GB limit I won't be able to add anymore stuff? |
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| 05:20.14 | Rehan | Parsifal: its ext4...does that mean I'm out of luck? |
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| 05:20.27 | Parsifal | Rehan: Not sure, I don't know much about ext4. You can always try it and see what happens. |
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| 05:22.06 | marcelC | can someone help me with this apt-get? I have some dependency related problems while trying to update a debian/ubuntu based distro (back track) http://pastebin.com/zw90K84M |
| 05:22.21 | jmarsden | !based-on-debian |
| 05:22.25 | Rehan | Parsifal: would "upping my inode count" be a fix? |
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| 05:22.52 | marcelC | yes. based, not debian |
| 05:23.08 | jmarsden | !tell marcelC about based on debian |
| 05:23.11 | dlumberg | have you tried aptitude? |
| 05:23.32 | Parsifal | Rehan: The number of inodes has nothing to do with the size of the file system, no. Did you try running resize2fs on it? |
| 05:24.02 | dlumberg | aptitude has a lot better dependency handling |
| 05:24.12 | jmarsden | marcelC: if you are trying to fix backtrack, asking in #backtrack (or whatever their channel is called) is probably much more appropriate than here. |
| 05:24.50 | marcelC | jmarsden, oky thx |
| 05:24.51 | Rehan | Parsifal: yeah i just don't know what flags to use |
| 05:25.11 | Parsifal | Rehan: You don't need any flags, it assumes the full size of the partition by default. |
| 05:25.21 | marcelC | dlumberg, i can't install aptitude because of that broken package, i have only apt-get and synaptic |
| 05:25.25 | Parsifal | "resize2fs /dev/sda1" (or whatever the name of the partition is) should just work |
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| 05:25.43 | Rehan | Parsifal: oh ok, how can i find out whats the name of my partition? |
| 05:25.55 | Parsifal | Rehan: df should have told you |
| 05:26.03 | Rehan | oh you're right Parsifal |
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| 05:26.23 | marcelC | dlumberg, I found it (aptitude) :) |
| 05:27.29 | Rehan | Parsifal: rehan@Defiant:~$ resize2fs /deb/sdb1 |
| 05:27.29 | Rehan | resize2fs 1.41.14 (22-Dec-2010) |
| 05:27.29 | Rehan | open: No such file or directory while opening /deb/sdb1 |
| 05:27.50 | Rehan | oops |
| 05:27.51 | Rehan | deb |
| 05:27.52 | Rehan | haha |
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| 05:30.14 | Rehan | Parsifal: i started it, its working |
| 05:30.32 | Rehan | Parsifal: but now i read this in the man page : (As of this writing, the Linux 2.6 kernel supports on-line |
| 05:30.32 | Rehan | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.44 | Rehan | so not sure whats going to happen |
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| 05:31.53 | Rehan | Parsifal: it worked! thank you :) |
| 05:31.57 | Eightamrock | hey guys quick question?? what user does httpd run as by default? |
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| 05:32.37 | dlumberg | www-data |
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| 05:34.15 | Eightamrock | dlumberg: thanks, when I run ps aux | grep http it shows my user as the owner, I can't figure out how it changed |
| 05:34.36 | Parsifal | Rehan: No problem, glad it worked for you. :) |
| 05:34.54 | Rehan | Parsifal: thank you so much. can i paypal you some money? |
| 05:35.04 | dlumberg | check /etc/apache2/envvars |
| 05:36.04 | Parsifal | Rehan: No, but thanks for offering. I'm just happy to help. :) |
| 05:36.07 | Eightamrock | dlumberg: all looks right, apache_run_user=www-data |
| 05:36.17 | Eightamrock | group is the same |
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| 05:36.32 | dlumberg | what does it show in top with shift+m |
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| 05:37.48 | Eightamrock | I see about 10 apache2 processes |
| 05:37.54 | Eightamrock | all run by www-data |
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| 05:38.25 | Eightamrock | one run by root |
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| 05:40.06 | dlumberg | weird, it shouldn't run as root |
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| 05:40.28 | dlumberg | Error:\tApache has not been designed to serve pages while\n\trunning as root. |
| 05:40.32 | mOxim | how to delete pm in lvm? |
| 05:40.34 | dlumberg | got that 10 min ago |
| 05:41.23 | Eightamrock | its running as root on a process from 3 days ago |
| 05:41.28 | Eightamrock | everything from today is www-data |
| 05:41.56 | Eightamrock | maybe I need to reboot |
| 05:42.50 | dlumberg | killall apache2 |
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| 05:43.00 | dlumberg | /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 05:44.26 | Eightamrock | weird, on reboot I had 0 apache2 running as root |
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| 05:44.37 | Eightamrock | when I killed it and restarted I have 1 running as root again |
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| 05:45.24 | dlumberg | apt-get install rkhunter chkrootkit |
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| 05:46.29 | Eightamrock | installed |
| 05:46.40 | dlumberg | run rkhunter |
| 05:46.44 | dlumberg | then chkrootkit |
| 05:46.50 | dlumberg | and see if anything pops up |
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| 05:47.09 | dlumberg | rkhunter -c |
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| 05:47.32 | Eightamrock | running |
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| 05:48.29 | Eightamrock | I have 2 warnings |
| 05:48.43 | Eightamrock | .usr/sbin/unhide |
| 05:49.00 | Eightamrock | and /usr/sbin/unhide-linux26 |
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| 05:49.31 | dlumberg | that's pretty funny, unhide is one of the tools it uses |
| 05:49.48 | dlumberg | try running the other one, those are probably just a false positive |
| 05:50.34 | Eightamrock | this is till running, but I will check the other next |
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| 05:52.44 | Eightamrock | nothin |
| 05:54.10 | Eightamrock | Its a mystery, lol I continue pursuing tomorrow, Im beat thanks for the help dlumberg |
| 05:54.35 | dlumberg | I've got nothing else, maybe try #apache |
| 05:54.43 | dlumberg | good luck |
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| 05:55.46 | Eightamrock | thanks again |
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| 06:02.41 | belak | How do I remake a package I downloaded with apt-get source ? |
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| 06:10.29 | LetterRip | hi it looks like all of my packages i meant to install to my hard disk, installed to my usbkey linux |
| 06:10.47 | LetterRip | is there a way to install them from my usbkey to my harddisk |
| 06:10.52 | LetterRip | i have the usbkey mounted |
| 06:10.56 | LetterRip | as /media/data |
| 06:11.03 | LetterRip | but i'm not sure where to find the packages |
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| 06:11.37 | Coweater | LetterRip: possibly /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 06:13.47 | LetterRip | Coweater - hmm looks like everything of interest is in a folder called 'pool' |
| 06:14.39 | LetterRip | i might not have the right mount point though - it looks like that are multiple partitions on this usbkey |
| 06:14.56 | LetterRip | i mounted the sdb1 as an iso 9660 |
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| 06:15.22 | Bushmills | how did you "install"? |
| 06:16.03 | LetterRip | Bushmills, i installed via the usbkey as a netinstall |
| 06:16.13 | LetterRip | apparently something went wrong when i rebooting |
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| 06:16.34 | LetterRip | so i have minimal install on the hard disk |
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| 06:16.41 | LetterRip | and a full install on the usbkey |
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| 06:16.54 | Bushmills | during installation, you were asked about disk partitioning. like, asked for device selection. what was your choice? |
| 06:17.17 | LetterRip | i have the right partition setup on the hard disk |
| 06:17.23 | LetterRip | it is sda5 |
| 06:17.51 | LetterRip | Bushmills, http://pasteall.org/21441 |
| 06:18.56 | Bushmills | so, now after installation, does df show sda5 to be empty, or space of it used? |
| 06:19.12 | LetterRip | i am currently logged into the linux install on sda5 |
| 06:19.31 | LetterRip | however it appears to be completely bare bones |
| 06:19.31 | Bushmills | impossible, if installation was done to usb stick |
| 06:19.34 | LetterRip | not even x |
| 06:19.48 | Bushmills | seems your installation succeeded |
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| 06:20.06 | Bushmills | just add stuff |
| 06:20.16 | raenk | Hi, I have some partitions shared across a LAN, for linux boxes I use NFS and for Win boxes samba, I have set a cronjob to "reset" permissions on these shares so they're R/W for both OS and their different users, but I understand this is not the best way to do it, what would be ? what should I dig into to figure it out ? Is it via udev ? |
| 06:20.37 | LetterRip | Bushmills - i have a full gnome environment on the USB stick, and only a terminal as far as i can tell on the hard disk |
| 06:21.00 | LetterRip | rather than redownload everything i'm trying to figure out where the packages are |
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| 06:21.13 | ectospasm | raenk: UNIX vs. Windows permissions are vastly different |
| 06:21.26 | Sw33NY | yeah ectospasm ! |
| 06:21.40 | ectospasm | keeping them reconciled will be an effort of wizardry, if not futility |
| 06:23.07 | raenk | ectospasm: I'm not concerned about allow/deny issues, all user will have the same privileges, all should be R/W for all users in the LAN |
| 06:23.42 | raenk | ectospasm: the cronjob just do a massive chmod to all folders recursively, setting all the same |
| 06:23.48 | Bushmills | LetterRip: what does df say what volume is your / directory? |
| 06:24.05 | ectospasm | raenk: if that works, why search for a "better" way of doing it? |
| 06:24.13 | raenk | ectospasm: but I have the feeling it is not the best way (maybe I'm wrong) |
| 06:25.06 | raenk | ectospasm: I just thought there's a "right way" to do it, you know, orthodox, maybe there is not |
| 06:25.23 | ectospasm | raenk: is there ever an orthodoxy in Linux/UNIX? |
| 06:25.46 | LetterRip | Bushmills am rebooted into the other install |
| 06:26.07 | ectospasm | raenk: seeing as the shares are being accessed by two systems (NFS and Samba), I don't see a clean way of keeping them in sync. |
| 06:27.45 | raenk | ectospasm: ok, then I can have peace of mind regarding that |
| 06:27.52 | Bushmills | raenk: r/w to all users? |
| 06:28.17 | Bushmills | (i.e. not belonging to specific users only who are exclusively allowed to r/w them) |
| 06:29.28 | raenk | Bushmills: yeah, if a given user can access the share then he can r/w, black and white, no grays |
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| 06:30.06 | Bushmills | that's possible. for nfs, you'd use all_squash, to remap to one user. samba has a similar option |
| 06:30.18 | raenk | Bushmills: so, one linux user can create a file and the windows user should be able to r/w it right away |
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| 06:31.27 | raenk | Bushmills: oh i have that figure it out, assigning access to some users to a given share and not to others, but they should be able to r/w from both OS lively |
| 06:31.30 | Bushmills | samba option is called something like invalid-user |
| 06:31.53 | christophocles | hey guys, ive been having some very, um, "interesting" problems with this debian system. it's likely hardware related I guess. Basically the system kernel panics every time I run sabnzbdplus. At any other time it works fine. It doesnt crash when I run cpuburn, and memtest doesnt show any errors..... here's a pastebin of the interesting bits of /var/log/messages http://pastebin.com/nKiicw3t |
| 06:32.11 | raenk | Bushmills: so it's more about r/w permissions than access to share for specific users |
| 06:32.19 | Bushmills | i think you misunderstood. with these options, both nfs and samba remap ownership and access so that they all come from one single users |
| 06:32.20 | Bushmills | user |
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| 06:32.40 | Bushmills | therefore, no matter who access files, the accesses all seem to come from the same user |
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| 06:33.14 | raenk | Bushmills: ahh, I see, sounds interesting |
| 06:33.19 | Bushmills | such as, anybody writing a file will write the file as - say - nobody. anyone reading it will read with permissions of nobidy |
| 06:33.21 | Bushmills | body |
| 06:33.54 | Bushmills | therefore, user and group ownership do not longer apply |
| 06:34.07 | Bushmills | well, they do apply. but they don't matter any longer |
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| 06:35.52 | raenk | Bushmills: nice, I'll google for all_squash for NFS and ~invalid-user for samba then |
| 06:36.28 | Bushmills | not sure about correct name of the samba option. but you should find it in the default samba config, probably commented out |
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| 06:36.52 | Bushmills | all_squash is merely an nfs server option, usable in /etc/exports |
| 06:37.18 | Bushmills | man page is probably more informative than google |
| 06:37.37 | raenk | found this already: http://thebigbyte.blogspot.com/2009/08/all-squash-in-samba-file-server.html |
| 06:37.44 | raenk | it is a brief |
| 06:37.46 | Bushmills | man exports |
| 06:37.48 | raenk | I'll dig deeper |
| 06:37.58 | raenk | Bushmills: yeah, thanks ! |
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| 06:38.40 | Bushmills | no wizardry needed |
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| 06:40.56 | pkkm | Can I ask a 3-line question here? |
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| 06:41.59 | StefandeVries | pkkm: shoot |
| 06:42.25 | pkkm | I need a backup solution. I have a VPS with 50 GB used disk space. It contains few very large MySQL databases, many small files and few big log files. I also own an always-on old computer with 1000 GB hard drive. I want to use it for storing backups at home, where I have a slow Internet connection. The VPS and the old computer are running Debian Lenny. The backup process can either be continious or scheduled at 3 AM. |
| 06:42.25 | pkkm | It is important for me that files deleted on server are saved in some way on the backup computer, separate from files that exist on the VPS. It would be nice to be able to delete that files after some time to free disk space, preferably with a cron job. When a file in /etc is modified, I'd like the backup tool to save its previous version, so that I can restore old config when I break things. |
| 06:42.26 | pkkm | When small part of large file is changed, the tool should transfer only the modified part. It has to support compression. I need to be able to quickly restore the backup to the same VPS or deploy my websites on a different VPS. Which tool do you recommend? |
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| 06:43.09 | StefandeVries | Are familiar with tar en rsync? |
| 06:43.12 | StefandeVries | are you* |
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| 06:46.12 | pkkm | A bit. |
| 06:46.30 | pkkm | Do these tools support all the features I mentioned? |
| 06:46.48 | pkkm | I mean, when used together. |
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| 06:52.39 | Bushmills | pkkm: duplicity |
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| 06:59.17 | Victor7 | Hi, How can I count number of files and folders in a particular folder/mount point? |
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| 07:04.34 | gnarface | wtf happened in sid? |
| 07:05.01 | gnarface | did an update and it uninstalled pidgeon, libpurple, rxvt-unicode, etc |
| 07:05.06 | gnarface | any suggestions on a fix? |
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| 07:06.08 | gnarface | the update from libperl5.10 to libperl5.12 seems to be suspect... lots of stuff seems to require "libperl5.10 >= 5.10.2" or something like that, which apparently libperl5.12 isn't |
| 07:06.18 | Bushmills | gnarface: patience, or dependency management |
| 07:06.18 | gnarface | help ? |
| 07:06.42 | gnarface | Bushmills: could you describe dependency management to me? |
| 07:07.01 | valdyn | !sid faq |
| 07:07.01 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (mirror); it doesn't hurt if you read the FAQ, even if you are using testing/wheezy... See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/08/msg00041.html and <sid upgrade test>. |
| 07:07.06 | Bushmills | well, change dependencies in control file, repack, and reinstall from local cache |
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| 07:07.21 | gnarface | so i'd have to do that for everything that requires libperl5.10? |
| 07:07.24 | Bushmills | just as you would fix other dependency problems in sid |
| 07:07.44 | gnarface | please understand that i've used the "patience" method for the past 7 or 8 years |
| 07:07.50 | cahoot | check what aptitude intends to to before giving a go ahead? |
| 07:08.06 | valdyn | Bushmills: thats probably a bad idea in general, to fix dependencies by manipulating them directly |
| 07:08.06 | gnarface | i just want to actually know mechanically how i'd go about fixing it |
| 07:08.07 | Bushmills | well, good. that's one solution, which evidently worked for you |
| 07:08.55 | gnarface | well its still an option but i thought to myself ... gee that's a lot of fuss over libperl5.10, i bet libperl5.12 would actually satisfy these dependencies even though the automated dependency check doesn't think so. maybe there's a easy way to override it with apt? |
| 07:09.17 | valdyn | gnarface: if the interface actually changed, then you have to fix the code, but if this is an autogenerated dep then all you need is to recompile the dependant package like pidgeon |
| 07:09.53 | gnarface | valdyn: so i WOULD have to repackage everything that needed it? there's no way to just tell apt to lie about libperl5.12 for the time being or something? |
| 07:10.00 | gnarface | an override for the dependency check, as it were? |
| 07:10.27 | gnarface | just something i could use temporarily, since it'll probably be fixed before i can repackage everything that got uninstalled, you know |
| 07:10.35 | valdyn | gnarface: its probably a better idea to just use the older packages |
| 07:10.42 | gnarface | noted |
| 07:10.49 | gnarface | is that a no? |
| 07:10.52 | valdyn | gnarface: you can however use dpkg-equivs |
| 07:10.55 | gnarface | ah ha! |
| 07:11.06 | valdyn | !equivs |
| 07:11.06 | dpkg | equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. aptitude install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>. |
| 07:11.25 | gnarface | finally an answer instead of a sarcastic verbal punishment |
| 07:11.29 | gnarface | thanks, valdyn |
| 07:12.06 | gnarface | that's exactly what i needed |
| 07:12.32 | valdyn | gnarface: the thing is that the maintainer probably had a good reason to rename the package |
| 07:12.43 | valdyn | gnarface: that reason would be api change |
| 07:12.57 | gnarface | well i'm assuming libperl5.12 really is enough like libperl5.10 to satisfy the handful of things that just uninstalled, but i'm aware of course of the danger in that assumption |
| 07:13.02 | valdyn | gnarface: which again would break dependant packages |
| 07:13.05 | gnarface | i just wanted to try it |
| 07:13.12 | valdyn | gnarface: sure, try it |
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| 07:13.37 | gnarface | a quick fix that has a good chance of working because i'm assuming since the major version didn't change the api couldn't be THAT different |
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| 07:13.51 | gnarface | possibly libpurple and urxvt don't even use those parts |
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| 07:14.05 | gnarface | and if i'm wrong... eh, they freak out and i just uninstall them again |
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| 07:14.14 | gnarface | and then i fall back on the "patience" attempt |
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| 07:24.04 | Bushmills | yesterday, someone reported a similar problem, related to perl and pidgin, but he was on testing, as he said |
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| 07:25.26 | streuner | its the same with hplip/hpjis |
| 07:25.33 | streuner | judd, versions hplip |
| 07:25.34 | judd | Package hplip on i386 -- lenny: 2.8.6.b-4; lenny-security: 2.8.6.b-4+lenny1; lenny-backports: 3.10.5-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.10.6-2; sid: 3.11.1-3; wheezy: 3.11.1-3 |
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| 07:25.57 | streuner | look at the versions of testing and unstable... |
| 07:26.18 | streuner | but its not installable, because of the PERL changes |
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| 07:32.57 | jelly-home | ,versions perl |
| 07:32.58 | judd | Package perl on i386 -- lenny: 5.10.0-19lenny3; squeeze: 5.10.1-17; wheezy: 5.10.1-20; sid: 5.12.3-6 |
| 07:34.31 | streuner | judd, versions libsnmp15 |
| 07:34.32 | judd | Package libsnmp15 on i386 -- lenny: 5.4.1~dfsg-12; sid: 5.4.3~dfsg-2; squeeze: 5.4.3~dfsg-2; wheezy: 5.4.3~dfsg-2 |
| 07:34.56 | streuner | libsnmp15 |
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| 07:35.10 | streuner | libsnmp15 : Hängt ab von: libperl5.10 (>= 5.10.1) soll aber nicht installiert werden |
| 07:35.21 | simonlnu | hasn't ben updated yet |
| 07:35.24 | simonlnu | been* |
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| 08:08.44 | gnarface | ok so just so i've got this right, |
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| 08:08.52 | gnarface | if i wanted to roll back to libperl5.10 and all |
| 08:09.01 | gnarface | to get urxvt and pidgin back (and probably some other stuff) |
| 08:09.21 | gnarface | there's a flag for apt-get like for fixing broken dependencies right? |
| 08:09.36 | gnarface | like, i can get it to automatically install the older perl right? |
| 08:09.45 | gnarface | or do i have to go back and manually install all the old dependencies now? |
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| 08:10.04 | nkuttler | most likely |
| 08:10.26 | gnarface | what about -f? |
| 08:10.37 | gnarface | or -m? |
| 08:10.40 | gnarface | anyone know? |
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| 08:22.46 | gnarface | uh oh |
| 08:23.07 | jkroon | Cpu(s): 11.5%us, 87.6%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.8%si, 0.0%st <-- this doesn't seem normal for a box running some php fcgid, and NOT actually going into swap. |
| 08:23.31 | gnarface | how many connections? |
| 08:23.35 | gnarface | (per second) |
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| 08:23.58 | gnarface | by the way i can't seem to roll back perl-base because 5.10.1-20 has been removed :( |
| 08:24.02 | jkroon | do about 2000 per minute over 5 servers. |
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| 08:24.06 | Polysics | hello |
| 08:24.24 | Polysics | anyone can recommed a way to be able to access a single remote machine that is behind a firewal, when outside? |
| 08:24.32 | jkroon | so it's about 6 connections per second ... |
| 08:24.37 | Polysics | some sort of SSH variation, i suppose |
| 08:24.39 | erAbuelo | buenos dias |
| 08:25.31 | jkroon | Polysics, no, just good old ssh. you just need to be able to connect to it though ... vpn or port forwarding? |
| 08:25.43 | gnarface | well jkroon, depends largely on the quality of the php code you're running... though its known that php in fcgi mode is not really as speedy as mod_php in apache2... and its also well known that php4 even makes php5 look slow. you don't happen to be using joomla by any chance are you? that thing is a pig |
| 08:25.59 | Polysics | jkroon, i am inside the firewall right now and can set up anything |
| 08:26.07 | jkroon | no, no joomla. |
| 08:26.09 | gnarface | er scratch that, reverse it, jkroon i meant to say that php4 makes even php5 look *fast* |
| 08:26.20 | jkroon | php5 |
| 08:26.24 | Polysics | the basic problem is that i can't have any port opened, i do own a few VPSs i can use as nodes though |
| 08:26.47 | Polysics | APC is the first and best way to improve PHP speed |
| 08:26.52 | gnarface | Polysics: ssh is the easiest if you don't need to access a full desktop. it only needs port 22 forwarded |
| 08:26.59 | jkroon | how much slower is mod_fcgid+php5-cgi than mod_php? I've seen most people say "slightly" |
| 08:27.18 | jkroon | Polysics, APC? |
| 08:27.20 | gnarface | jkroon: in my opinion when they say "not much" that means "the benchmarks are fucking embarrassing" |
| 08:27.40 | Polysics | gnarface, it's a server machine, though i do need to be able to access the web server, so i would say it's at least port 22, 80 and 3333 for testing |
| 08:28.00 | Polysics | jkroon, alternative PHP cachce |
| 08:28.11 | Polysics | never got around as to why it is called "alternative" though |
| 08:28.16 | gnarface | Polysics: not necessarily... with ssh you can forward the other ports out somewhere, alternately you might want to consider openvpn |
| 08:28.22 | jkroon | gnarface, the really funny thing is that the box next to it (identical as far as I'm concerned, except for the hostname about) runs fine against the same load request. |
| 08:28.43 | jkroon | gnarface, Polysics - openvpn -== good |
| 08:28.55 | gnarface | jkroon: i'd suspect something wrong or at least very badly behaved in the php code itself before anything else, honestly. |
| 08:29.19 | Polysics | openvpn sounds good |
| 08:29.30 | jkroon | ok, so back to pointing fingers at the guys that wrote the php code. |
| 08:29.47 | jkroon | i still don't like that it's sitting that high in system though. |
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| 08:30.19 | gnarface | jkroon: its easy to write benchmarking code into the pages... look for something that takes anomalously long to run |
| 08:30.29 | Polysics | although openvpn might be overkill for just a few updates a month |
| 08:30.38 | Polysics | what would the ssh route be? |
| 08:30.47 | jkroon | or more to the point - just go and check those logs as I've already done it. |
| 08:30.57 | jkroon | Polysics, look at the -R option for ssh. |
| 08:31.05 | gnarface | Polysics: check the ssh man page for the -L and -R options |
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| 08:32.55 | gnarface | Polysics: basically you'd just ssh in normally with one terminal for code editing and in another terminal you'd start a port forwarding ssh command for each other port you needed open to ... wherever is convenient |
| 08:33.04 | gnarface | i often just forward the remote port to something on localhost |
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| 08:33.31 | gnarface | as long as you don't have some private bastardized dns layout vpn is a bit overkill |
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| 08:34.22 | Polysics | i do not get the organization of it all though |
| 08:34.51 | jkroon | one more thing to consider - how do you keep the outbound ssh connection that you leave running so you can get in alive. |
| 08:35.04 | Polysics | jkroon, wil lscreen do for that? |
| 08:35.08 | jkroon | in that respect openvpn is easier to deal with as it's automatic. |
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| 08:35.18 | gnarface | Polysics: it'll help to have a basic undestanding of networking configurations - try reading this: http://www.symantec.com/connect/articles/ssh-port-forwarding |
| 08:35.27 | Polysics | as i said, i often have access to the machine ,i just want to not have to come here every day |
| 08:35.31 | jkroon | Polysics, and then a network error occurs at some time and the connection dies ? |
| 08:35.45 | jkroon | you can look at ssh keys. |
| 08:35.53 | Polysics | as this is a more or less unsupported customers we help out with some stuff |
| 08:36.00 | jkroon | ah ok, so if the connection dies it's not the end of the world :) |
| 08:36.26 | jkroon | wish i could say about half the crap i work with ... |
| 08:36.26 | gnarface | jkroon: oh i wasn't suggesting keeping anything running... i was just suggesting he just script it and re open all the port forwarding connections every time |
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| 08:37.29 | jkroon | i thought he wanted to get to a machine behind the firewall, so basically A F B, he needs to get to B which he can't connect to directly, so instead he wants to leave a reverse tunnel open by ssh'ing from B to A with -R, leave the ssh in a screen. |
| 08:37.41 | gnarface | Polysics: i found that understanding the "localforward" and "remoteforward" port forwarding flavors each it helped to understand both first |
| 08:37.47 | jkroon | now he can ssh from anywhere else to A and then utilize the tunnel to get to B |
| 08:38.05 | Polysics | restarting connection aside, i would use -R on the firewalled machine, and -L on the "relay" server |
| 08:38.14 | Polysics | as i gather from that excellent article |
| 08:38.39 | Polysics | or is -L on A unneeded? |
| 08:38.48 | jkroon | probably unneeded. |
| 08:39.00 | gnarface | you don't have to do for a single port... its more about which direction you need to go |
| 08:39.11 | gnarface | you don't have to do *both* i meant to say |
| 08:39.16 | jkroon | -R already opens a port on A (you probably want -g as well) to which you can connect |
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| 08:40.20 | gnarface | so basically -L is for bringing a remote port in to your current machine, -R is for forwarding a local port OUT |
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| 08:41.03 | Polysics | which makes the command i have to run on B something like: ssh -R 2222:myserver.com:22, correct? |
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| 08:41.27 | Polysics | this would allow me to ssh to myserver.com -p 2222 and end up in B? |
| 08:41.44 | ectospasm | it's all about which side initiates the connection |
| 08:42.01 | Polysics | i need to initiate it from B as it is unreachable otherwise |
| 08:42.11 | Polysics | basically, B has to connect to A then wait there |
| 08:42.17 | jkroon | Polysics, yes. add -g as well |
| 08:42.47 | jkroon | ssh -P 2222 A will then get you straight onto B |
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| 08:42.55 | ectospasm | we use "ssh -fN -R NNNN:localhost:MMMM shell.server", so we connect to customer's system by using "ssh localhost -p NNNN" from shell.sever |
| 08:43.15 | gnarface | Polysics: here's an example... say you have port 22 and only port 22 forwarded to the server. you're at home on your desktop. you would run this: ssh -f -N -R *:9999:127.0.0.1:80 username@serverdomain ..... then at that point you'd be able to connect to http://127.0.0.1:9999/ in your web browser and it would be just like connecting to port 80 on the other server |
| 08:43.15 | laurus | When I start Debian Wheezy I get to the login screen and I can't move the mouse or enter anything. It said "udev... failed!" when it was starting up. How can I fix this? |
| 08:43.55 | gnarface | Polysics: (just don't forget to kill -TERM the ssh process when you're done if you use my example) |
| 08:44.30 | Polysics | ssh -g -R *:2222:myserver.com:22 only prints SSH usage |
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| 08:44.41 | gnarface | what is -G? |
| 08:44.53 | gnarface | you don't need -g |
| 08:44.57 | gnarface | not for this |
| 08:45.00 | gnarface | try mine |
| 08:45.05 | Polysics | i get the same output anyway |
| 08:45.09 | gnarface | you forgot -f |
| 08:45.25 | laurus | Is there a way to get into the console before the XFCE login screen loads? |
| 08:45.30 | gnarface | oh wait. hmm. |
| 08:45.33 | laurus | Or before anything for that matter? |
| 08:45.34 | Polysics | gnarface, i do not have port forwarding set up anywhere, first step is to make B reachable from A, isn't it? |
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| 08:46.01 | gnarface | laurus: should be ctrl-alt-f2 after its loaded (or any f-key less than 7.... alt-f7 to get back |
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| 08:46.24 | laurus | gnarface, because udev fails, I can't enter anything with the keyboard or mouse after it loads |
| 08:46.28 | Pinchiukas | Does Debian only have KDE 4.4? |
| 08:46.29 | laurus | So I have to try to do this before that I guess |
| 08:46.39 | gnarface | Polysics: oh i see. i was confused i thought you were going to open port 22 on the firewall. yes if you want to do this without opening any ports on the firewall this will have to be all different from my example |
| 08:46.40 | laurus | At the GRUB screen I guess... |
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| 08:47.13 | Polysics | ok, port forwarding opens a console like it should |
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| 08:47.29 | Polysics | but if i ssh -p 2222 i get a connection refused |
| 08:47.43 | Polysics | do i need to set up a -L link on myserver too? |
| 08:47.45 | sunkan | Trying to create a kernel package, this is for an x86 machine but I'm compiling on my x86_64 machine. I'm using this command 'make-kpkg --revision $(date +%Y%m%d) --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd --arch=i386 kernel_image' but it complains about missing i486-linux-gnu-gcc compiler. |
| 08:48.15 | sunkan | Should I not be able to compile a x86 kernel on my x86_64 machine wich kernel-package? |
| 08:48.32 | gnarface | Polysics: well one way or another, the computer you are NOT on has to be accessible by the computer you ARE on, regardless of which direction you're forwarding the ports and which ports are being forwarded. if you want to initiate the connection from the server that is behind the firewall... you need some remote server to connect to |
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| 08:48.59 | Polysics | gnarface, i do have that, i own a couple VPS, that's the point :-D |
| 08:49.25 | Polysics | i thought i could do it by running an SSH -R on B then sshing to the proper port on A |
| 08:49.43 | Polysics | but i am either missing the correct -R command for B or the proper command to connect fro mA |
| 08:49.54 | gnarface | not quite. here this is off topic i'll help you in pm |
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| 08:52.15 | laurus | Is there any way to get this working? |
| 08:52.18 | laurus | Or should I just reinstall the whole thing |
| 08:52.39 | laurus | How do I boot "single user mode" ? |
| 08:53.15 | homie | boot from grub into or, with init S |
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| 08:53.30 | laurus | homie, I'm at the GRUB scree now, what do I do? |
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| 08:53.58 | homie | there should be two selections for your kernel, one without single user mode and one with single user mode |
| 08:54.09 | homie | select the one with the single user mode and you're setup |
| 08:54.11 | laurus | I see a standard one and a "Recovery mode" one |
| 08:54.19 | Pinchiukas | Does Debian only have KDE 4.4? |
| 08:54.21 | homie | yes the recovery mode one is it i think |
| 08:54.27 | laurus | Ah excellent |
| 08:54.43 | homie | single user mode is mostly for recovery.... |
| 08:55.02 | laurus | homie, yeah, that's what I need. |
| 08:55.06 | laurus | Wheezy's udev is screwed up. |
| 08:55.10 | homie | oh |
| 08:55.20 | homie | i have udev from wheezy too, didn't notice it |
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| 08:55.29 | laurus | homie, you probably have a desktop not a laptop, right? |
| 08:55.30 | laurus | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=621036#77 |
| 08:55.35 | homie | but i installed it over to that from squeeze i think..... |
| 08:55.49 | homie | yes desktop not laptop here |
| 08:56.03 | laurus | Yeah. |
| 08:56.12 | laurus | udev not working means that the laptop keyboard and trackpad don't work at all. |
| 08:56.17 | laurus | So one can't log in, or do anything. |
| 08:56.43 | homie | well, i won't go only wheezy until it gets semi stable.... |
| 08:57.02 | laurus | I wanted to try Xfce 4.8 ;) |
| 08:57.25 | laurus | I hate GNOME 3 |
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| 08:57.40 | homie | ok, i only have kde stuff at the moment and windowmaker i think..... |
| 08:57.45 | laurus | :) |
| 08:57.55 | laurus | Yay, it works, thanks homie and gnarface. |
| 08:58.12 | homie | gnome stuff gets in with some dependencies, i did not select gnome on my own...... |
| 08:58.31 | homie | well, until it gets stable too i mean..... |
| 08:58.38 | homie | i don't use much gnome...... |
| 08:59.08 | laurus | Do people like GNOME 3? |
| 08:59.16 | Pinchiukas | Does Debian only have KDE 4.4? No newer versions? |
| 08:59.37 | homie | sid |
| 08:59.39 | laurus | Pinchiukas, http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/kde-full seems to be version 5 |
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| 09:00.00 | laurus | Er, scratch that |
| 09:00.02 | laurus | It's 4.4.3 :P |
| 09:00.05 | homie | the latest and unstable is always sid not ? |
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| 09:00.58 | nevyn | kde has 4.4.3 in sid |
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| 09:01.32 | Pinchiukas | So I guess KDE 4.4 is as new as I will get with Debian. |
| 09:02.18 | laurus | Pinchiukas, for the time being. If you want to run Debian Wheezy it will probably get upgraded at some point |
| 09:02.39 | nevyn | hrm apparently 4.4.5 |
| 09:02.46 | nevyn | my mirror must suck. |
| 09:02.53 | Pinchiukas | Didn't 4.6 come out long ago? |
| 09:03.07 | dawud | can somebody confirm debian-multimedia is down? |
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| 09:03.31 | homie | i had mirrors.debian.org down |
| 09:03.31 | nevyn | Pinchiukas: dunno about long ago but a while ago yes. |
| 09:04.02 | ectospasm | I use netselect-apt to pick new mirrors if the machine moves. |
| 09:04.08 | nevyn | http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 09:05.36 | babilen | Pinchiukas: At the moment, yes. But 4.6 is being actively worked on and I wouldn't be surprised if it hits unstable soonish. http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-kde-talk/2011-April/001599.html |
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| 09:07.38 | laurus | Pinchiukas, I'd just install Wheezy now and wait a few months and one day it'll just appear on your computer and you'll be happy! |
| 09:07.39 | laurus | :) |
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| 09:09.59 | laurus | Does XFCE have a launcher now? |
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| 09:12.04 | gnarface | argh how do i get pidgin and urxvt back? |
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| 09:12.27 | ectospasm | gnarface: how did you lose them? |
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| 09:12.59 | gnarface | ectospasm: by doing apt-get dist-upgrade in sid and not carefully reading the list of packages to be UNINSTALLED |
| 09:13.19 | gnarface | !equiv |
| 09:13.28 | ectospasm | gnarface: aptitude -y install pidgin urxvt << this doesn't work? |
| 09:13.31 | gnarface | what was that thing again to override the checks? |
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| 09:14.00 | gnarface | ectospasm: everything ultimately depends on perl-base 5.10 something and its already been replaced with perl-base 5.12something and nothing likes it yet |
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| 09:14.19 | ectospasm | ah. One of the reasons I don't run sid |
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| 09:14.43 | ectospasm | If I need a specific version of a program that badly, I'll install from source. Or create a package from source. Thank you. |
| 09:14.59 | ectospasm | they don't call sid unstable for no reason... |
| 09:15.00 | ectospasm | (-; |
| 09:15.15 | laurus | Doe anyone know how to move the Xfce panel from the left to right side of the screen? |
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| 09:15.57 | laurus | Oh, never mind. |
| 09:16.05 | laurus | You have to drag on the very bottom or top of it. |
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| 09:16.30 | ectospasm | I don't use XFCE, so I wouldn't know |
| 09:16.59 | laurus | Wow: Avant Window Navigator requires 376 MB for an Xfce user! |
| 09:17.06 | laurus | My... goodness. |
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| 09:17.15 | babilen | gnarface: I've just registered #debian-next on irc.oftc.net / irc.debian.org for discussions about testing/unstable |
| 09:17.59 | laurus | What's a good dock for an Xfce user? |
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| 09:18.43 | Zitter | what's the easiest way to configure 2 monitors? |
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| 09:19.34 | homie | man xorg.conf, dual-head |
| 09:19.53 | homie | manually mostly..... |
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| 09:20.32 | homie | look into the monitor specs, and configure your xorg.conf with the right sections and devices and drivers .... |
| 09:21.07 | Zitter | i remember a pkg to automagically do that, isn't there? |
| 09:21.24 | homie | well there are some apps which give you a pre-configured xorg.conf for such things but it amost always needs manual changes ...... |
| 09:22.32 | Bushmills | laurus: seems you're looking at virtual mem use, not resident or shared |
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| 09:24.45 | Bushmills | Zitter: xrandr, or a frontend to it, often works well. |
| 09:25.00 | Zitter | thanks you all |
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| 09:26.49 | laurus | Bushmills, sorry? |
| 09:26.58 | laurus | I meant disk space :) |
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| 09:28.39 | laurus | Awesome, thanks for the help everyone. |
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| 09:39.46 | Rziz | Hm, i finally finished purging gnome of my desktop, but i still have to use gdm3. Apparently though the icon near the 'Sessions' menu of gdm3 now is blank.. anybody knows in what package this icon is supposed to be? :p |
| 09:40.09 | laurus | Rziz why didn't you just install a different desktop environment to begin with? |
| 09:40.17 | laurus | You can do so from the Debian installer. |
| 09:41.23 | Rziz | laurus: I could have done a cli install |
| 09:41.37 | laurus | Rziz, I'm just suggesting for next time :) |
| 09:41.53 | laurus | But I don't know the answer to your question unfortunately. |
| 09:42.10 | Rziz | laurus: ah well, i'll just use a different gtk theme for gdm3. still a mistery why this icon disappeared lol |
| 09:42.26 | laurus | What do you use GDM3 for? Logging in? |
| 09:42.49 | Rziz | laurus: yes, i found slim to be quite buggy in the debian setup |
| 09:42.55 | Bushmills | some do. others use it mainly to bitch about it |
| 09:43.00 | laurus | Bushmills, hahaha |
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| 09:43.09 | laurus | That's hilarious |
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| 09:43.22 | laurus | Anyway I need to go, good luck Rziz. |
| 09:43.30 | Rziz | ty anyway ;p |
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| 09:43.59 | laurus | anytime :) |
| 09:44.06 | Bushmills | check out qingy, if you don't need xdmcp |
| 09:44.23 | babilen | Rziz: What are you trying to achieve now? If you want to replace gdm3 with an alternative you can easily do so. (log into a console (ctrl-alt-f1), remove gdm3 and replace it with whatever you prefer instead) |
| 09:44.27 | Bushmills | (qingy is a getty replacement which can also launch X sessions) |
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| 09:45.34 | Bushmills | http://scarydevilmonastery.net/qingy/ <- qingy screenshots |
| 09:45.41 | Rziz | babilen: i know i should, but; lxdm doesn't seem to shut down sessions appropriately, slim causes odd bugs and xdm doesn't work properly with consolekit :/ |
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| 09:46.33 | Rziz | nor is a debian binary available for lxdm |
| 09:46.34 | babilen | Rziz: Then use gdm3 or gdm and be done with it if you want a graphical login manager. Qingy is worth a try though. |
| 09:46.51 | Rziz | babilen: i'll have a look |
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| 10:02.22 | manchot | what is the pid fiel for crond? |
| 10:02.28 | manchot | crond.pid or cron.pid? |
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| 10:03.33 | Bushmills | crond.pid here, but may depend on the cron daemon you're using |
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| 10:06.46 | manchot | what group does cron belong to? |
| 10:06.54 | manchot | /etc/group 'system'? |
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| 10:09.40 | nerrtrow | I'm trying to add "contrib non-free" to my sources.list, should I add it to only squeeze main or to all the others to? |
| 10:09.44 | Bushmills | as crontab allows specyfying to run a cron job as any user, cron will have to run as root |
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| 10:11.30 | themill | nerrtrow: what "others" do you have? perhaps you should put your sources.list in a pastebin -- http;//paste.debian.net/ |
| 10:14.05 | nerrtrow | themill: I have squeeze main, squeeze/updates main from both http and ftp.... |
| 10:14.58 | nerrtrow | so should I add contrib non-free to squeeze/updates to? |
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| 10:23.49 | nerrtrow | Someone that knows if I should add contrib non-free to both squeeze main and squeeze/updates main? |
| 10:24.00 | Bushmills | non-free is overrated. contrib may be of some use. |
| 10:24.00 | nerrtrow | or just squeeze main |
| 10:24.30 | nerrtrow | okey, both should i add it to both squeeze main and updates? |
| 10:24.58 | Bushmills | whatever rocks your boat, man |
| 10:25.02 | valdyn | !contrib |
| 10:25.02 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compatible software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ [lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then aptitude update. Also ask me about <non-free>. |
| 10:25.23 | nerrtrow | thx! |
| 10:25.35 | valdyn | nerrtrow: both or none |
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| 10:25.50 | nerrtrow | okey, finally! |
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| 10:30.46 | Efazati | apt-get update => error Connection failed why? |
| 10:31.04 | ectospasm | Efazati: not enough details to determine that |
| 10:31.14 | ectospasm | Efazati: do you have a connection to the Internet? |
| 10:31.15 | Efazati | this is my sources list deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sid main contrib |
| 10:31.32 | ectospasm | Efazati: that hostname looks incorrect |
| 10:31.41 | ectospasm | ...or maybe not |
| 10:31.59 | Efazati | ectospasm, i have net |
| 10:32.08 | ectospasm | does http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian work? |
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| 10:32.57 | Efazati | ectospasm, in web browser it comes |
| 10:33.34 | ectospasm | Efazati: so use netselect-apt and choose a different mirror |
| 10:34.14 | Efazati | ectospasm, netselect? |
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| 10:34.32 | ectospasm | oh, if you don't have it, you probably won't be able to get it |
| 10:34.40 | ectospasm | choose a different mirror manually |
| 10:37.51 | gnarface | , versions perlapi |
| 10:37.54 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'perlapi' was found in i386. |
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| 10:38.02 | gnarface | , versions perlapi-5.10.1 |
| 10:38.04 | gnarface | ? |
| 10:38.05 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'perlapi-5.10.1' was found in i386. |
| 10:38.07 | gnarface | hmm |
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| 10:43.26 | Bushmills | ,versions libperl-apireference-perl |
| 10:43.27 | judd | Package libperl-apireference-perl on i386 -- squeeze: 0.04-1; sid: 0.05-1; wheezy: 0.05-1 |
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| 10:45.09 | protv_ | Hi, I need to use the second sound card, how can set it to default? http://pastebin.ca/2054828 |
| 10:45.58 | gnarface | protv_: if you don't want to use the first one at all, its best to disable it in your bios |
| 10:46.01 | gnarface | but i like to often use two |
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| 10:46.35 | protv_ | gnarface: No, I do not want to disable, but be able to use the second one. |
| 10:47.05 | protv_ | I am not sure if I can see the seond sound card in BIOS, because it is actually a headphone with built in sound card |
| 10:47.25 | gnarface | protv_: you can just pass index=0 to the module that drives the one you want to be the first, and index=1 to the second |
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| 10:48.13 | protv_ | gnarface: Yes, I did that, but how do I reload the module, it seems update-modules or modules-update has been deprecated. |
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| 10:50.00 | gnarface | protv_: modprobe -r [module name] to remove it |
| 10:50.10 | gnarface | protv_: then modprobe [module name] to put it back in |
| 10:50.18 | gnarface | protv_: where did you put the options? |
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| 10:51.28 | protv_ | gnarface: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf |
| 10:52.12 | protv_ | gnarface: you want me to remove and put back the one which I want it working right? |
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| 10:52.48 | gnarface | protv_: remove them both, then reload them both |
| 10:52.58 | gnarface | protv_: remove them both before you reload either |
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| 10:53.40 | protv_ | gnarface: well I am unable to remove the onebeing used now (the default one). It give fatal error, : module in use |
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| 10:54.18 | protv_ | and for even the other one.. "FATAL: Module snd_usb_audio is in use." |
| 10:54.33 | ectospasm | lsof | grep snd |
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| 10:55.47 | gnarface | protv_: well then stop using them, silly |
| 10:56.26 | gnarface | protv_: (you'll have to shut off any software currently doing playback or record... you might want to take note of the fact that many window managers by default play sound effects, which will count as such) |
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| 10:59.04 | protv_ | ectospasm: http://pastebin.ca/2054834 |
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| 10:59.32 | protv_ | gnarface: there are lot of them using it, I guess I can reboot to affect the changes? |
| 11:00.03 | ectospasm | yeah, rebooting will most likely fix it |
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| 11:00.39 | gnarface | protv_: yes of course |
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| 11:01.08 | gnarface | protv_: as long as you made those changes in /etc/modprobe.d right... but you should probably put them in the options.conf file rather than in alsa-base.conf ... as options.conf won't be overwritten by a package manager |
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| 11:03.20 | protv_ | gnarface: There is no options.conf file, should I create one? Here are other files in modprobe.d directory http://pastebin.ca/2054835 |
| 11:04.11 | gnarface | protv_: yes make one |
| 11:04.17 | gnarface | protv_: want me to show you a copy of mine? |
| 11:04.32 | protv_ | gnarface: sure.. |
| 11:04.55 | gnarface | http://pastebin.com/vEMLJucq |
| 11:04.58 | gnarface | there you go |
| 11:05.07 | gnarface | ignore the stuff you don't have |
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| 11:06.39 | protv_ | thanks, i will create that and reboot, will report back the status. |
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| 11:11.09 | StefandeVries | !tell StefandeVries about dpkg |
| 11:11.28 | ectospasm | !tell StefandeVries about selftell |
| 11:12.28 | StefandeVries | :( |
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| 11:16.12 | dell_ | help |
| 11:16.34 | StefandeVries | dell_: what's the problem? |
| 11:16.55 | StefandeVries | prolly his/her internet connection :') |
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| 11:17.01 | suw | hello |
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| 11:17.12 | StefandeVries | hello Subzeronoh |
| 11:17.15 | StefandeVries | suw* |
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| 11:18.55 | suw | I have a problem with my mrtg - I'm using Debian Lenny, mrtg proc stopped working... it's a continue line at 99% - I've rebooted 2 days ago, and removed old mrtg data, after reboot it worked again - now I have the same problem. |
| 11:19.13 | suw | here-s the link http://mrtg.s1.internetix.ro/localhost.cpu.html |
| 11:20.33 | dell | quit |
| 11:20.41 | suw | can someone help me to fix this? I have no clue what happend and where to look to fix it. |
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| 11:23.49 | suw | mrtg --debug "snpo" /etc/mrtg/cpu.cfg |
| 11:23.51 | suw | ......... |
| 11:23.53 | suw | --snpo: simple If: .0 |
| 11:23.54 | protv | gnarface: I rebooted. The soundcards did interchange. But I still get no sound in the headphones. |
| 11:23.55 | suw | --snpo: simple If: .0 |
| 11:24.04 | protv | I checked the settings in alsamixer and checked it is unmuted. |
| 11:24.09 | suw | it seems snmp is not reading proc any more - kernel problem? |
| 11:24.20 | versuchsanstalt | is there a solution to view web pages saved as a safari webarchive in debian? |
| 11:25.16 | cusco | I dunno safari web archive |
| 11:25.23 | cusco | isn't it just a set of html files? |
| 11:25.34 | cusco | can't you just open it with any browser? |
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| 11:26.33 | protv | gnarface: Even though I have set the headphones souncard as default, the ibuilt soundcard is prodcing sound on speakers. Shouldn't the default card now be stop working? |
| 11:26.53 | gnarface | protv: that's a application specific setting. |
| 11:26.54 | versuchsanstalt | cusco: no |
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| 11:27.26 | cusco | protv: try: aplay -D plughw:0,3 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav - changing 0,3 to 0,2 or 0,1 |
| 11:27.46 | cusco | versuchsanstalt: can you post a file online so I could take a look at it? |
| 11:29.12 | protv | cusco: http://pastebin.ca/2054839 |
| 11:29.57 | gnarface | ,versions xchat |
| 11:29.59 | judd | Package xchat on i386 -- lenny: 2.8.6-2.1; squeeze: 2.8.8-3; wheezy: 2.8.8-3; sid: 2.8.8-3+b1 |
| 11:31.31 | protv | gnarface: Absolutely, thanks. I right clicked VLC slider in Kmix and changed to headphones soundcard. It works. But is there a way to do that in alsamixer? |
| 11:31.55 | protv | basically default all aplpications to use this headphones sound card |
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| 11:33.14 | gnarface | protv: not as far as i know. their configurations are individually stored. anything that was already set up to use the old card will probably need to be manually changed. newly installed stuff i suspect will default to the new card. |
| 11:34.02 | gnarface | protv: you could use sox or some other hackery to pipe data from the old card to the new one, but that's way more work and system load than its worth. just update your configs. its not like you'll have to do it more than once |
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| 11:35.05 | protv | gnarface: you mean config of individuals applications? Ok, I guess I need to find them in the individual apps .directories in ~? |
| 11:35.35 | gnarface | protv: just you know, open each one and switch the setting in the audio preferences |
| 11:35.55 | gnarface | protv: how many sound apps are you talking about here? more than 5? |
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| 11:36.32 | protv | oh thats siple, I thought the changes I made just now wouldn't persist afer reboot. I only have about three sound apps I work with, no big deal, thanks once again |
| 11:36.50 | gnarface | protv: it should only be a problem for apps like vlc that store a persistent configuration that you already had switched to the other by name. you shouldn't need to change anything in a text file and command-line stuff like mpg321 will just default to the first card, obeying index=0 |
| 11:37.37 | gnarface | protv: also fyi you can use -c 2 option to alsamixer to access the second card's mixer still. it defaults to -c 1 |
| 11:38.00 | gnarface | protv: woops my bad they're numbered from 0 like the index settings |
| 11:38.24 | cusco | it defaults to c0 |
| 11:38.25 | cusco | yes |
| 11:38.26 | cusco | lol |
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| 11:38.38 | protv | gnarface: yes, |
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| 11:38.50 | manchot | is the cron system for squeeze Vixie ? |
| 11:39.27 | cusco | anacron if I'm not mistaken |
| 11:41.22 | gnarface | brb, wrecking my install |
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| 11:41.28 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 11:44.36 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 11:44.54 | StefandeVries | hey TrueDD |
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| 11:45.29 | TrueDD | hey StefandeVries |
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| 11:47.52 | manchot | what does the file 'crond.reboot' do in /var/run ? |
| 11:47.55 | manchot | any use of this file? crond.reboot |
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| 11:49.06 | cusco | there is a @reboot parameter in cron |
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| 11:49.31 | cusco | maybe from there? |
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| 11:50.10 | neuro_damage | when installing a package how does one do so and bypass the prompts during the install process? |
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| 11:51.08 | Furai` | Good afternoon. |
| 11:51.19 | cusco | neuro_damage: what do you mean bypass the prompt? |
| 11:51.25 | ectospasm | neuro_damage: I pass "-y" to aptitude |
| 11:51.39 | cusco | oh that.. works too on apt-get |
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| 11:55.05 | neuro_damage | cusco: the ncurses prompts that show up from time to time waiting for user input, I tried the -y option but it still went through the dialog box to configure the application |
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| 11:58.30 | manchot | how to tell if I am running 32 bit or 64 bit? |
| 11:58.55 | ectospasm | manchot: uname -m |
| 11:58.58 | skamikaze | manchot: /etc/issue or uname |
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| 11:59.14 | babilen | manchot: Also "dpkg --print-architecture" |
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| 11:59.22 | ectospasm | so many ways... |
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| 11:59.35 | manchot | thank you |
| 11:59.49 | babilen | manchot: uname will get you the kernel architecture and dpkg --print... the userspace (they can differ) |
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| 12:00.37 | manchot | skamikaze, cat /etc/issue does not seem to produce the arch result |
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| 12:01.54 | skamikaze | oh my bad - it just prints debian |
| 12:01.56 | skamikaze | sry |
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| 12:16.29 | SLEKiS666 | Hello. I've an issue with the gfs2-tools package in squeeze/amd64. Trying to run gfs2_jadd to add some journals to my gfs2 filesystem, but it seems that the binary isnt installed, /usr/sbin/gfs2_jadd is just symlinked to mkfs.gfs2 which returns "command not found". |
| 12:16.43 | SLEKiS666 | Does anyone know why the binary isnt included in the package? |
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| 12:17.56 | babilen | ,file mkfs.gfs2 |
| 12:18.00 | judd | mkfs.gfs2 in squeeze/i386: gfs2-tools: sbin/mkfs.gfs2 |
| 12:18.16 | babilen | SLEKiS666: That file should be there -- Could you check if it is there? |
| 12:18.38 | SLEKiS666 | mkfs.gfs2 is hashed (/sbin/mkfs.gfs2) |
| 12:18.50 | SLEKiS666 | but |
| 12:18.51 | SLEKiS666 | root@controller1:~# /usr/sbin/gfs2_jadd -j1 /srv/cloud |
| 12:18.52 | SLEKiS666 | -bash: /usr/sbin/gfs2_jadd: No such file or directory |
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| 12:20.22 | babilen | what do you mean by "hashed" ? |
| 12:20.35 | SLEKiS666 | it's what type returns |
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| 12:21.45 | SLEKiS666 | ah my wrong |
| 12:21.48 | SLEKiS666 | babilen: mkfs.gfs2: ERROR: cannot open `mkfs.gfs2' (No such file or directory) |
| 12:21.53 | SLEKiS666 | that's what file returns. |
| 12:21.56 | jelly-home | SLEKiS666: ls -ld `which /usr/sbin/gfs2_jadd` |
| 12:22.02 | jelly-home | oops |
| 12:22.11 | jelly-home | ls -ld /usr/sbin/gfs2_jadd |
| 12:22.28 | SLEKiS666 | ls: cannot access /usr/sbin/gfs2_jadd: No such file or directory |
| 12:22.38 | babilen | SLEKiS666: Which version is this? |
| 12:22.53 | jelly-home | SLEKiS666: so that doesn't exist at all |
| 12:22.59 | jelly-home | SLEKiS666: hash -r |
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| 12:23.16 | SLEKiS666 | babilen: debian 6, amd64 |
| 12:23.29 | riot | hmhm, "slapd" is currently not really installable in unstable without lots of conflicts? Does anyone know wether this will be fixed? |
| 12:23.31 | SLEKiS666 | jelly-home: hash -r doesnt help much |
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| 12:23.34 | babilen | brb |
| 12:23.39 | SLEKiS666 | ok |
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| 12:23.52 | jelly-home | ,file gfs2_jadd --arch amd64 |
| 12:23.55 | judd | gfs2_jadd in squeeze/amd64: gfs2-tools: usr/sbin/gfs2_jadd |
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| 12:24.17 | jelly-home | SLEKiS666: reinstall that package |
| 12:24.21 | SLEKiS666 | http://pastebay.com/122632 |
| 12:24.33 | SLEKiS666 | ok |
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| 12:24.48 | SLEKiS666 | the symlink seems there tho |
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| 12:25.35 | jelly-home | SLEKiS666: oh. The symlinks to "mkfs.gfs2" are broken, all of them |
| 12:25.39 | themill | riot: there's an on-going perl 5.10â5.12 transition. Wait a few days. |
| 12:25.57 | SLEKiS666 | jelly-home: ah |
| 12:26.07 | jelly-home | SLEKiS666: they ought to point to either ../../sbin/mkfs.gfs2 or /sbin/mkfs.gfs2 |
| 12:26.16 | SLEKiS666 | hm, I can't reinstall gfs2-tools, it will remove cman, and the whole cluster stuff |
| 12:26.28 | SLEKiS666 | Ok |
| 12:26.36 | jelly-home | SLEKiS666: file a bug against that package if there isn't one already |
| 12:26.42 | themill | SLEKiS666: are you mixing releases? |
| 12:26.59 | SLEKiS666 | themill: hm no, fresh installed |
| 12:27.29 | SLEKiS666 | jelly-home: ok, thx. I'll try to change that symlink manually first and see if it's working |
| 12:27.53 | riot | themill: okay. Thanks. I suspected as much. |
| 12:28.00 | themill | SLEKiS666: reinstall shouldn't remove packages. How are you trying to reinstall it? "aptitude reinstall packagename" should suffice. |
| 12:28.20 | SLEKiS666 | themill: ah. |
| 12:28.23 | jelly-home | nah, it seems the package really is broken |
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| 12:29.08 | SLEKiS666 | themill: didnt help |
| 12:29.20 | SLEKiS666 | jelly-home: yep |
| 12:29.22 | jelly-home | ,versions gfs2-tools |
| 12:29.22 | judd | Package gfs2-tools on i386 -- lenny: 2.20081102-1+lenny1; sid: 3.0.12-2; squeeze: 3.0.12-2; wheezy: 3.0.12-2 |
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| 12:31.19 | sgeigerbot | Why in the world would this debootstrap command fail to download anything? (It creates only a debootstrap directory and a binary logfile I have not figured out how to read /usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch i386 squeeze /mnt/sda http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
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| 12:32.22 | SLEKiS666 | jelly-home: it did work fine when setting the symlink to /sbin/mkfs.gfs2 so i'll file a bug. thanks for ur help |
| 12:32.38 | stew | sgeigerbot: its just a shell script, perhaps try "bash -x /usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch i386 squeeze /mnt/sda http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian" |
| 12:32.59 | stew | hmm, perhaps that hsould be -e -x |
| 12:33.09 | jelly-home | SLEKiS666: seems that noone is using that stuff with debian if it has such obvious bugs |
| 12:33.21 | SLEKiS666 | yep, true |
| 12:33.32 | jelly-home | wonders why lintian doesn't catch broken symlinks |
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| 12:34.46 | daemon | anyone know of any Redmine alternatives |
| 12:35.26 | functor | ok so, someone broke a package somehow and now when I try to apt-get install it wont create the init.d scripts |
| 12:35.28 | functor | any ideas? |
| 12:35.40 | functor | I tried to "clean it up" / remove / reconfigure |
| 12:35.41 | functor | didnt work |
| 12:35.46 | functor | maybe delete from apt cache? |
| 12:36.00 | sgeigerbot | stew: The script is running, but it isn't downloading anything. |
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| 12:36.26 | stew | functor: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 12:39.07 | themill | jelly-home: they could be symlinks to things in other packages -- but with the cross-package checks in the new lintian, I guess that's a bit easier to do now. Perhaps suggest it if it's not already in the bts for lintian (clone SLEKiS666's bug across to lintian to provide context) |
| 12:39.20 | functor | I see stew |
| 12:40.05 | functor | Next problem.. the init.d/postgres isnt doing anything.. |
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| 12:55.37 | babartheking | hi everyone, can someone help with automount of usb with new xfce ? |
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| 13:01.26 | karika200- | hi |
| 13:01.54 | karika200- | I'm using 2 IP ranges in my LAN: 192.168.0.x and 10.0.0.x(for VPN) |
| 13:02.07 | karika200- | how can I tell to my linux box to route between the 2 ranges? |
| 13:02.21 | karika200- | so I want reach 192.168.0.x from VPN |
| 13:02.29 | karika200- | and 10.0.0.x from the LAN |
| 13:02.50 | karika200- | I'm using pptpd for VPN |
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| 13:03.12 | nevyn | so you need to make the system route packets |
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| 13:03.17 | nevyn | this is called ip forwarding. |
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| 13:04.30 | karika200- | ok, but how? :/ |
| 13:04.34 | dorp | I would like to: apt-get install sysv-rc-conf under Debian 6 x86_64 ... but I get: The following essential packages will be removed ... file-rc (due to sysvinit) ... Is it healthy? :\ |
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| 13:06.57 | karika200- | I have enabled IP forwarding on IPv4: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward -> 1 |
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| 13:11.18 | abidoun | is there a way to customize the bootcdwrite Iso Image? |
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| 13:25.30 | arunkumar413 | hi, please help me to force quit my package manager which is running in the background |
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| 13:26.22 | StefandeVries | arunkumar413: again? |
| 13:26.41 | babilen | heh |
| 13:26.56 | StefandeVries | yesterday it happened as well :\ |
| 13:27.07 | arunkumar413 | StefandeVries: this command is not working |
| 13:27.15 | arunkumar413 | StefandeVries: top | grep apt-get |
| 13:27.34 | StefandeVries | what is the exact error you're faced with? |
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| 13:28.23 | arunkumar413 | i'm trying to install a package but is is telling me that there is another package manager already running |
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| 13:29.59 | TrueDD | arunkumar413, maybe in another terminal, can you see something with a "ps aux" |
| 13:30.02 | TrueDD | ? |
| 13:30.30 | TrueDD | did you type it on a command line ? |
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| 13:31.02 | TrueDD | maybe an upgrade is also running |
| 13:31.27 | TrueDD | or waiting for instructions |
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| 13:33.28 | dorp | Anybody can help with installing sysv-rc-conf under Debian 6 x86_64? |
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| 13:34.40 | CyberDomovoy | hi |
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| 13:39.42 | arunkumar413 | TrueDD: yes |
| 13:40.22 | CyberDomovoy | i'm trying to close any external opened port, so far i just have dhclient on port 68 udp in state open|filtered, what does dhclient use it for? can it be safely disabled? how? |
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| 13:43.48 | arunkumar413 | TrueDD: yes, i can see some processess |
| 13:44.53 | arunkumar413 | plz help me |
| 13:46.10 | abidoun | is there a way to customize bootcdwrite iso image? |
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| 13:48.03 | abidoun | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:48.22 | TrueDD | arunkumar413, can you see from wich terminal it has been run ? |
| 13:48.32 | arunkumar413 | abidoun: i'm unable to end the package manager that is running in the background |
| 13:48.36 | TrueDD | which* |
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| 13:49.32 | arunkumar413 | TrueDD: do u mean the user? |
| 13:49.36 | TrueDD | arunkumar413, how does the line where it appears look ? |
| 13:49.57 | TrueDD | nope, I meant, the terminal, but no matter |
| 13:50.07 | arunkumar413 | TrueDD: arun 3539 0.0 0.0 3300 768 pts/2 S+ 18:48 0:00 grep apt-get |
| 13:50.12 | abidoun | arunkumar413: open a terminal and try "pidof apt-get" or pidof aptitude" then type "kill numberoftheprocess" |
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| 13:51.08 | arunkumar413 | abidoun: not getting anything |
| 13:51.18 | TrueDD | arunkumar413, ok, this one is not related with the process but with your research of the line |
| 13:51.32 | abidoun | arunkumar413: which package manager were u using? |
| 13:51.47 | arunkumar413 | abidoun: synaptic |
| 13:51.51 | TrueDD | arunkumar413, are you running xfce ? |
| 13:52.03 | abidoun | arunkumar413: try "pidof synaptic" |
| 13:52.05 | arunkumar413 | TrueDD: no, gnome |
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| 13:52.32 | arunkumar413 | abidoun: this one also not working |
| 13:52.34 | abidoun | then type : "kill thenumberof process" |
| 13:52.53 | abidoun | arunkumar413: try rebooting as a last resort then |
| 13:53.03 | TrueDD | arunkumar413, can you pastebin the out of your ps aux ? |
| 13:53.06 | arunkumar413 | abidoun: no |
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| 13:53.30 | abidoun | arunkumar413: are u running squeeze? |
| 13:53.56 | arunkumar413 | abidoun: yes |
| 13:54.38 | abidoun | arunkumar413: i found it to be a nuisance so I reinstalled lenny instead, bc it's more stable |
| 13:54.57 | arunkumar413 | TrueDD: http://pastie.org/1874921 |
| 13:54.58 | abidoun | arunkumar413: i had many issues with squeeze |
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| 13:55.29 | abidoun | arunkumar413: yes same with me, that's why i made a fresh install to lenny |
| 13:55.48 | abidoun | arunkumar413: i feel more comfortable with lenny |
| 13:56.00 | arunkumar413 | abidoun: but why is this happening |
| 13:56.22 | arunkumar413 | abidoun: even i cant install the general and security updates |
| 13:56.28 | abidoun | arunkumar413: i have no idea, but Lenny was very fine |
| 13:56.54 | arunkumar413 | abidoun: lenny is not the latest,i guess |
| 13:57.09 | abidoun | arunkumar413: yes indeed, but stable |
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| 13:57.50 | abidoun | arunkumar413: i just used the latest uogrades (lenny 8.0.5) |
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| 13:58.05 | arunkumar413 | abidoun: but they might have fixed the bugs. it should work fine |
| 13:58.34 | TrueDD | arunkumar413, the out you've pastebined is truncated |
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| 13:59.46 | arunkumar413 | TrueDD: i didn't get you |
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| 14:00.58 | arunkumar413 | TrueDD: what is truncated? |
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| 14:01.53 | TrueDD | the lignes of your out are too long, and I can't see the end |
| 14:02.01 | TrueDD | but nevermind, |
| 14:02.14 | TrueDD | try killall update-notifier |
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| 14:03.40 | arunkumar413 | TrueDD: i copy pasted the entire thing. it's complete |
| 14:04.03 | TrueDD | arunkumar413, try killall update-notifier |
| 14:05.00 | arunkumar413 | TrueDD: done, but cannot launch the synaptic package manager |
| 14:05.01 | abidoun | hi |
| 14:05.30 | TrueDD | arunkumar413, you should have redirected the out with a > to a file, for example : ps aux > out.txt |
| 14:06.04 | arunkumar413 | TrueDD: ok, I'll do it |
| 14:06.17 | themill | as root, run "fuser -v /var/lib/dpkg/lock" to find out what is using the database still |
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| 14:07.01 | TrueDD | hi abidoun |
| 14:07.10 | arunkumar413 | TrueDD: where would the out.txt saved |
| 14:07.48 | TrueDD | it has been saved in the current directory from where you've typed the command |
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| 14:13.12 | TrueDD | arunkumar413, did you find it ? |
| 14:13.26 | arunkumar413 | TrueDD: yes |
| 14:14.22 | arunkumar413 | TrueDD: http://pastie.org/1874972 |
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| 14:16.07 | TrueDD | arunkumar413, kill 2537 |
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| 14:16.27 | sickgut | hey ppl |
| 14:16.39 | sickgut | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:16.48 | sickgut | telnet to pimpscape.info 51914 |
| 14:17.08 | themill | sickgut: wrong channel? |
| 14:17.10 | sickgut | im running a demo of the libcaca on debian on my vps |
| 14:17.29 | sickgut | apt-get install libcaca0 caca-utils |
| 14:17.36 | arunkumar413 | TrueDD: not working |
| 14:17.37 | arunkumar413 | TrueDD: do i have to be root to do this? |
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| 14:18.09 | TrueDD | of course, yeah, I should have told you |
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| 14:18.43 | arunkumar413 | TrueDD: still unable to get the exclusive lock after killing the process |
| 14:19.00 | sickgut | the command to execute this on your debian after you install it is: CACA_DRIVER=raw cacademo | cacaserver then you can telnet to the port it says its running on and you see the animations |
| 14:19.10 | sickgut | just tho ught i would share that with u ppl |
| 14:20.01 | sickgut | i think just typing cacademo displays the animations directly to a window on your x session |
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| 14:21.10 | TrueDD | arunkumar413, try killall update-manager |
| 14:21.13 | sickgut | and you can tell mplayer to play movies through caca in ascii text via: mplayer - vo caca moviename.mp4 also you see yourself in ascii text on your webcam via: mplayer -vo caca tv:// |
| 14:21.56 | sickgut | there isnt alot of docs on this on the official debian sites so i thought i would tell you ppl... ill be quiet now. |
| 14:22.10 | arunkumar413 | TrueDD: ok,done |
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| 14:22.31 | arunkumar413 | TrueDD: i want to get rid of this problem once and for all |
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| 14:24.25 | TrueDD | arunkumar413, so you should look where you can disable the automatic updates |
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| 14:25.26 | TrueDD | I don't use gnome, so I can't help you to find where you can do it, but the responsible is the automatic updating |
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| 14:51.41 | ompaul | /msg RichiH from #debian at this time from oftc [15:48:53] <LinRtx> GAYS PLEASE JOIN IRC.FREENODE.NET #SUPREMOS [15:49:04] *** ChanServ gives channel operator privileges to themill. [15:49:06] *** themill sets a ban on *!*@109.168.123.148.[15:49:08] *** LinRtx has been kicked from the channel by themill (You should know better). |
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| 14:52.02 | themill | takes away ompaul's space bar |
| 14:52.23 | acrocycle | Hello, I just upgraded and am having trouble with my mouse... just wanted to see if anyone else is having the same issue. |
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| 14:52.30 | ompaul | themill: woops |
| 14:53.35 | acrocycle | After upgrading squeeze, my mouse will not always detect the left click. Sometimes I have to right click then left click. Also, CTRL+ALT+arrow doesn't work for switching desktops anymore. |
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| 14:56.06 | ompaul | acrocycle: have you restarted since you you upgraded? |
| 14:56.45 | ompaul | interesting answer |
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| 14:59.40 | Rziz | After removing gnome but retaining gdm3, i have the strange problem of the 'Session' menu icon disappearing from the hicolor icon theme. Does anyone know what package contains /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/session-properties.png |
| 15:00.07 | Rziz | i'm unsure how to find out on a deb based distro |
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| 15:01.53 | themill | dpkg: tell Rziz about apt-file |
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| 15:04.19 | Rziz | themill: thanks, it's gnome-session-common ;p |
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| 15:09.31 | simplechat | Hey guys, i'm looking to make a man page for a piece of softwarei'm writing. As i'm using debian stable as my distro, i was wondering what you guys could recommend? |
| 15:09.46 | simplechat | (ie. is there any particular software that makes the task easy on debian? etc) |
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| 15:15.15 | daemonkeeper | Its not more complicated than other Linux distrbutions. Depending on your requirements you might consider writing a POD file which can be converted to man pages, alternatives include SGML or nroff directly. |
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| 15:17.06 | simplechat | daemonkeeper, ok. Do you know of any good tutorials? |
| 15:17.28 | simplechat | i'm currently googling around, but it's hard to find a tutorial that, for example, tells you how to view your created man page properly |
| 15:17.37 | daemonkeeper | Not really, I used to "steal" existing SGML man pages and adapt then for my needs. |
| 15:17.47 | simplechat | hmmmm. |
| 15:17.52 | simplechat | ntroff doesn't seem that hard |
| 15:17.58 | daemonkeeper | No, its not. |
| 15:18.07 | simplechat | but it's things like "HTF do i view this thing", that i can't seem to find whilst googling |
| 15:18.14 | daemonkeeper | I find SGML a bit more readable, if you ever worked with XML/HTML |
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| 15:18.27 | simplechat | i'm fine with either |
| 15:18.33 | simplechat | ntroff looks like a very strange version of tex |
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| 15:18.47 | daemonkeeper | Its similar, yes. |
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| 15:19.07 | themill | simplechat: "man man" for how to view your work; look at the --local-file option. |
| 15:19.33 | simplechat | kk |
| 15:19.39 | simplechat | i have no idea how i missed that |
| 15:19.41 | simplechat | thanks |
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| 15:20.19 | daemonkeeper | Oh, missed that question completely |
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| 15:24.41 | jkroon | hi guys, what's the "debian" way of adding/removing services to runlevels? |
| 15:24.42 | msshams | i have a dedicated server and i want use it for web server. now i want to install a DNS server on this server, what letters should i search? |
| 15:24.58 | simplechat | jkroon, update-rc.d is the program you are looking for |
| 15:25.20 | cahoot | that's still en vogue? |
| 15:25.20 | simplechat | msshams, search for BIND |
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| 15:25.47 | dynamite | jkroon: read up on update-rc.d |
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| 15:26.00 | msshams | simplechat: can you tell me that this configuration is simple or no? |
| 15:26.34 | dynamite | msshams: no, its not. |
| 15:26.41 | dynamite | This is not windows. |
| 15:27.00 | msshams | dynamite: :| |
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| 15:27.59 | jkroon | simplechat, dynamite thanks. |
| 15:28.04 | jkroon | recommendations on swap these days? |
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| 15:28.22 | mastiks | Hi |
| 15:28.45 | jkroon | is there any way that I can spec certain processes to not be allowed to go to swap but that the oom killer rather get rid of them? (ala php5-cgi ...) |
| 15:28.51 | mastiks | how can an application resolv a name without reading /etc/resolv.conf ? Thanks |
| 15:29.06 | jkroon | mastiks, it can't, why? |
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| 15:29.29 | simplechat | mastiks, it doesn't read /etc/resolv.conf, it asks for a resolve which then reads /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/hosts |
| 15:29.31 | jkroon | well, it probably can, but that's probably not what you want. |
| 15:30.10 | mastiks | jkroon, i have troubles with apt-get update and strac'ing it I don't see /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:30.15 | jkroon | simplechat, well, /etc/nsswitch.conf iirc, which then decides what to check first, usually /etc/hosts and only then will it revert to dns which uses /etc/resolv.conf but yea, probably a bad idea to disable that. |
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| 15:30.50 | jkroon | mastiks, perhaps it's using mdns or nscd |
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| 15:31.57 | mastiks | jkroon, ps aux doesn't show none of them.. |
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| 15:50.33 | Grega | Hi! I'm trying to upgrade from squeeze to unstable, but when running apt-get update I get a 404 on "Err http://ftp.si.debian.org unstable-updates/main Sources" and "amd64 Packages", what am I doing wrong? |
| 15:50.44 | Rziz | Hm, anybody knows why gdm3's wallpaper is in mandatory gconf? :/ getting increasingly annoyed by gdm |
| 15:50.53 | Rziz | why can't i just customize without gconf-tool2 hackery |
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| 15:52.41 | themill | Grega: a few things: (a) now is a bad time to upgrade to sid with both perl and python transitions going on at the same time; (b) you should go via wheezy (testing) rather than skipping from stable to unstable; (c) "unstable-updates" makes no sense at all -- that suite does not exist. |
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| 15:53.43 | themill | Grega: I perhaps should add that if you didn't know those three things already, then perhaps you should avoid unstable at all. It's not for the faint-hearted, it's for people involved in debian development who already know how to deal icky problems (that are *much* worse than a simple 404...) |
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| 15:58.51 | Rziz | Why are there mandatory gconf settings specific to Debian-gdm anyway :/ |
| 16:00.00 | Grega | got it, thanks! |
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| 16:01.23 | marcelomauro | it's possible to install anjuta 3.0 in debian squeeze without a dist-upgrade? |
| 16:01.26 | spersaud | all of a sudden I cant get my wireless to connect |
| 16:01.45 | spersaud | I was doing iwconfig wlan0 essid "belkin54g" then dhclient wlan0 ------ |
| 16:01.48 | spersaud | doesnt work |
| 16:01.49 | spersaud | help |
| 16:02.04 | spersaud | I checked my router the mac address is in the filtering list |
| 16:02.12 | spersaud | worked before, didnt make any major changes |
| 16:02.16 | themill | marcelomauro: anjuta isn't even in debian unstable yet, so no, not really. |
| 16:02.31 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
| 16:02.40 | jkroon | for php5-cgi, does anybody know what the default values for PHP_FCGI_CHILDREN and PHP_FCGI_MAX_REQUESTS are? |
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| 16:04.33 | marcelomauro | themill, so it's impossible to test only this package over squeeze once he is available on the net? |
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| 16:05.13 | themill | marcelomauro: that package will never be in squeeze. In a few weeks it *might* end up in squeeze-backports. /msg dpkg squeeze-backports |
| 16:06.23 | spersaud | ok works now twp nuttons on laptop fn key plus f8 |
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| 16:06.35 | spersaud | plus switch |
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| 16:09.22 | themill | marcelomauro: actually, looking at the list of build-dependencies for that package, I doubt you'll ever see it in squeeze. |
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| 16:09.35 | themill | (or rather in squeeze-backports) |
| 16:09.44 | zealiod | can any one recommend a calendar server that suports caldav? |
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| 16:10.42 | Rziz | it just doesn't seem to make sense to have user specific mandatory gconf settings to me in the case of gdm |
| 16:10.58 | Rziz | ah well, gsettings is going to replace gconf anyway |
| 16:11.31 | spersaud | how do I get x / gnome to load xgamma -gamma 0.7 ? |
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| 16:12.27 | marcelomauro | themill, thanks for help. |
| 16:12.28 | Rziz | spersaud: make an xdg-autostart entry or add it to gdm's Xsession |
| 16:13.00 | marcelomauro | I think I would install it but now I see I can't |
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| 16:15.09 | romel | hi guys. how can I get the list of compile options of debian's package? |
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| 16:15.31 | ledoktre | Greetings all! |
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| 16:16.59 | ledoktre | Was stopping by here, hoping someone here might have some good knowledge of using mdadm and smartd on debian squeeze. Having some trouble with /dev/sda popping out of the array, though SMART status is fine after a full scan... |
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| 16:18.11 | yang | how do I prevent daemons starting up at boot, it used to be sysvconfig utility, which one is it now ? |
| 16:18.18 | Haraken | ledoktre, is smart showing any reallocated sectors |
| 16:18.48 | Haraken | ledoktre, UDMA_CRC_Error_Counts, Multi_zone_error_rate or Offline_Uncorrectable |
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| 16:22.29 | ledoktre | Haraken : I didnt see any errors, but then Im new to squeeze, new to smartctl, and new to mdadm (always used cards previous). Heres a paste : http://pastebin.com/n8WHD9NA |
| 16:23.14 | Haraken | ledoktre, check /var/log/messages for any errors |
| 16:23.33 | spersaud | Rziz: I need to restart right ? |
| 16:24.28 | ledoktre | I did see some messages as it was popping out in dmesg. It said it couldnt write to some sectors on /dev/sda. The weird part was, the drive disappeared completely for the longest time (could not find with fdisk -l). When it re-appeared, it is showing up as /dev/sdd, and doing an extended smart test shows no issues (that I can see) |
| 16:24.54 | Haraken | ledoktre, also, please paste me the output of "hdparm -t /dev/sdd" or whatever device it is |
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| 16:26.59 | ledoktre | Haraken : both in one paste : http://pastebin.com/index/n8WHD9NA |
| 16:27.27 | ledoktre | sorry , let me redo it. it didnt update. |
| 16:27.31 | Haraken | ok |
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| 16:28.19 | ledoktre | http://pastebin.com/YV4qeijc The two drives are WD 1TB RE4 drives- both new, made in March this year. |
| 16:29.08 | Haraken | two things I would check |
| 16:29.11 | HazardX | if you have a second set of SATA cables, try those |
| 16:29.21 | Haraken | yeah what hazardx said |
| 16:29.22 | HazardX | and moving around the controller channels |
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| 16:29.46 | Haraken | failing that, download dft (drive fitness test) and run an advanced test on your drive. will take several hours for a 1tb drive |
| 16:29.53 | Haraken | but that is a for sure way to tell if your drive is good or bad |
| 16:30.01 | Haraken | it has never let me down :) |
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| 16:30.06 | HazardX | also, its generally more meaningful to run hdparm -Tt <drive> than just -t |
| 16:30.10 | ledoktre | More complete output : http://pastebin.com/m8scyAbD |
| 16:30.21 | HazardX | (just so you can see if the system was busy while talking to the drive) |
| 16:30.58 | HazardX | yea, that looks like a bad cable/faulty connection (or a failing controller) |
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| 16:31.10 | HazardX | more than it looks like a bad drive |
| 16:31.19 | HazardX | or maybe just a buggy controller |
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| 16:31.58 | ledoktre | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.35 | dlumberg | how do you get apache to run as root? |
| 16:32.52 | jkroon | bangs his head on table, i've seen 200+ processes on a machine before, without going into swap using less "system" than what I'm seeing at the moment on these machines - WTF?!? |
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| 16:33.00 | anigma | should iceweasel always start up by default in my second monitor? All other applications start in the main monitor except Iceweasel, even though I move it over everytime. |
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| 16:33.13 | jkroon | wondering whether the fact that mysql is on a different machine has anything to do with it ... |
| 16:33.23 | jkroon | sitting in network IO ... |
| 16:33.40 | ledoktre | HazardX, Haraken : this is an Asus m2nvm-dvi -- its a little older, but was running Xen server (Centos) just fine previous. The only thing that changed was new drives and new cables and Squeeze |
| 16:34.01 | HazardX | which is alot of...changes :P |
| 16:34.03 | Haraken | ledoktre, try new cables... I can't tell you how many bad sata cables I've gone through |
| 16:34.21 | Haraken | brand new cables have been bad on many occasions |
| 16:34.34 | HazardX | that's when they're most likely to BE bad |
| 16:34.46 | HazardX | they don't (typically) go bad once installed (and working for a while) |
| 16:34.50 | Haraken | also make sure you don't put sharp bends in your cable, nothing >= 90 degrees |
| 16:34.56 | ledoktre | I will give that a shot. Ive got 100s of them. Red ones, blue ones you name it. Bazaar that the drive re-appeared on /dev/sdd though |
| 16:35.07 | ledoktre | No bends. Just coiled up & zip-tied |
| 16:35.20 | HazardX | that's probably a side affect of the kernel hardressetting the controller so many times |
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| 16:35.39 | dlumberg | actually does anybody know why I'm getting weird escape strings everywhere ever since I upgraded my server to squeeze |
| 16:35.43 | dlumberg | Error:\tApache has not been designed to serve pages while\n\trunning as root. |
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| 16:36.06 | dlumberg | I'm only trying to get apache to run as root to see if it's a permissions issue |
| 16:36.11 | ledoktre | So, your feeling is that if a long smart test passed without issue (see above pastie), then its likely not the drive itself, but a cable or controller (probably leaning to the cables, as the controller worked fine previous?) |
| 16:36.26 | dlumberg | but I'm thinking that it might be adding weird escape strings to the file paths |
| 16:36.34 | Haraken | ledoktre, yes |
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| 16:37.04 | Haraken | dlumberg, have apache run as it's default user. to check file permission errors just chmod your files 777 temporarily |
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| 16:37.23 | Haraken | if that fixes it then you know it's file permissions and you should figure out what the proper permissions should be |
| 16:37.39 | pyrophelia | just loaded squeze on a sever and built a new vg on it. problem is, on startup it keeps trying to load and mount the old volume. How do I mount the new lv? |
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| 16:38.47 | pyrophelia | oh wait, nm sorry i'm retarded. fstab duh. |
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| 16:38.53 | Haraken | :) |
| 16:39.15 | ledoktre | Haraken, HazardX- thanks will give it a shot. I suspected if I was running a nightly smart test on the individual drives it might cause mdadm issues |
| 16:39.41 | ledoktre | " /dev/sda -a -d sat -o on -S on -s (S/../.././02|L/../../6/03) -I 194 -W 4,45,55 -R 5 |
| 16:40.02 | pyrophelia | I do have another odd problem |
| 16:40.06 | pyrophelia | not critical though |
| 16:40.09 | pyrophelia | anybody use netatalk? |
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| 16:40.20 | Haraken | i haven't seen smart tests cause problems like that before so it should be ok to run them. |
| 16:40.27 | ledoktre | awesome |
| 16:40.30 | pyrophelia | I use it through tcp/vpn and in the new squeeze build I can't get it to follow symlinks |
| 16:40.34 | pyrophelia | yes I built with ssl |
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| 16:41.23 | pyrophelia | when a users home dir is linked IS the symlink it works fine, but if it's a symlink inside the home directory which is mounted else where it won't follow the symlink |
| 16:41.33 | dlumberg | didn't help, http://pastebin.com/2sKXaMfX |
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| 16:41.40 | pyrophelia | all permissions are fine, if I log in via ftps or ssh the links follow perfectly, it's netatalk |
| 16:41.46 | dlumberg | that's why I think it might be some char encoding issue |
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| 16:42.28 | dlumberg | �/��e should be home |
| 16:42.36 | dlumberg | but it changes everytime I load the page |
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| 16:43.15 | Haraken | hmm yeah not sure on that one :/ |
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| 16:45.49 | pyrophelia | :( |
| 16:45.53 | jmarsden | pyrophelia: You should perhaps check whether there is a runtime or compile time option to netatalk regarding following symlinks... SAMBA has (or used to have) such an option, I'd not be surprised to see something similar in netatalk too. |
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| 16:46.21 | pyrophelia | ok i'll take a look at it when I'll have to look at it l8r. |
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| 16:46.36 | pyrophelia | I was just wondering what could have caused the change in the new version |
| 16:46.42 | pyrophelia | jmarsden: ty |
| 16:47.02 | pyrophelia | gotta fly, thanks for the input |
| 16:47.04 | jmarsden | pyrophelia: Maybe (if there is such an option), the default changed to be "more secure" in the newer version. You're welcome. |
| 16:47.12 | pyrophelia | wait |
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| 16:47.17 | pyrophelia | I think you're right |
| 16:47.26 | pyrophelia | I read something about that when I skimmed over the new version |
| 16:47.37 | pyrophelia | just didn't pay attention to it during compile |
| 16:47.39 | pyrophelia | thanks again |
| 16:47.54 | jmarsden | You're welcome... next time skim a bit more carefully :) |
| 16:48.04 | pyrophelia | I will :) |
| 16:48.07 | pyrophelia | l8r |
| 16:48.37 | themill | wols_: I presume you remember that #debian is +q *!*root@*. |
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| 16:49.17 | jkroon | anybody familiar with haproxy here? |
| 16:50.41 | dlumberg | http://test.3blmedia.com/ the weird unicode part changes on every page load |
| 16:51.03 | jkroon | where does haproxy log to? i want to know why it thinks the majority of my requests are bad requests (as in it immediately responds with error code 400 without passing the request through to one of my web servers) |
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| 16:56.21 | Qation | Hey, I just installed debian and I need to get my realtek ethernet device working. Lspci says its a "Realket Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B" is there a way i can get it working without internet acess on the machine? |
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| 16:57.29 | cahoot | ,pci 8086:1043 |
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| 16:57.38 | cahoot | hmm |
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| 16:58.46 | babilen | Qation: You probably need to install the firmware-realtek package (download it somewhere, use a removable medium for the transfer, and run "dpkg -i the_downloaded.deb") |
| 16:59.10 | Qation | thanks |
| 16:59.37 | Qation | For the iso i downloaded, netcfg or wpa_supplicant wasn't included |
| 16:59.39 | babilen | Qation: After you've done that reload the module (modrobe -r r8196 ; modprobe r8169) and check that the firmware has been loaded (dmesg|tail -12) and that the interface is indeed there (ifconfig -a) |
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| 17:01.05 | babilen | Qation: You could have used the netboot images with firmware or provided the firmware during the installation. -- /msg dpkg firmware image -- /msg dpkg installer firmware |
| 17:01.12 | Qation | babilen: would that be in packages.debian.org? |
| 17:01.18 | babilen | Qation: But you should get it running just fine now as well. |
| 17:01.23 | babilen | Qation: yes, exactly |
| 17:01.28 | themill | cahoot: (s/pci/pciid) |
| 17:01.45 | Qation | Okay thanks, i found it |
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| 17:04.48 | matias | Hello guys |
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| 17:05.52 | matias | I have a device that is running sshd, I added my pub key but it's still asking me for a password. how can I check if it's at least trying to use this key? |
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| 17:06.13 | Parsifal | matias: Pass it the -v flag |
| 17:06.41 | matias | by the way, I know the public key is working because I can login without a password in other server |
| 17:07.32 | matias | oh! debug1: Trying private key: /home/matias/.ssh/id_ecdsa |
| 17:07.37 | matias | it's not called that way |
| 17:07.57 | matias | Parsifal, what should I do? |
| 17:07.57 | Qation | babilen: I installed the firmware but I don't have the module r8196 |
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| 17:08.16 | Qation | I do have r8169 |
| 17:08.35 | babilen | Qation: yeah, typo -- Please excuse :) |
| 17:08.52 | babilen | Qation: Give me one second |
| 17:09.03 | xand | matias: there is an option to specify the key, -i or something |
| 17:09.13 | Qation | No problem, thanks |
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| 17:09.18 | babilen | Qation: yeah, it is 8169 |
| 17:09.19 | un214 | -i specifies key yes |
| 17:09.33 | Qation | r8169? |
| 17:09.38 | babilen | yup |
| 17:09.41 | home-alone | how can I get unity as de...??? |
| 17:09.58 | babilen | home-alone: not yet packaged. Install Ubuntu if you want it *now* |
| 17:10.03 | matias | I think it's not the problem, let me show you part of the output |
| 17:10.08 | Qation | I just tired lsmod and no r8196 |
| 17:10.13 | Qation | how can I get it? |
| 17:10.22 | matias | http://pastebin.com/rEmdJg0G xand |
| 17:10.45 | xand | matias: do you have access to the log on the machine you're connecting to? |
| 17:10.50 | matias | "debug1: Offering DSA public key: /home/matias/.ssh/id_dsa" <-- it's my private key |
| 17:10.50 | babilen | Qation: It is r8169 -- "modprobe -r r8169 ; modprobe 8169 ; dmesg | tail -13" |
| 17:10.58 | matias | hmn, no |
| 17:11.05 | babilen | argh, forgot the r in the second command :-\ |
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| 17:11.30 | Qation | Oh okay |
| 17:11.39 | xand | matias: check the permissions of your home directory, .ssh directory, and the public key |
| 17:11.41 | Qation | So it just returned the end of dmesg right? |
| 17:11.46 | babilen | yes |
| 17:11.50 | xand | if any are writable by other users, it won't use the key |
| 17:11.57 | xand | (on the remote machine) |
| 17:12.04 | matias | -rw------- 1 matias matias 672 Apr 10 11:12 id_dsa |
| 17:12.10 | Qation | It doesn't look like anything about my eth0 is printed |
| 17:12.17 | Qation | only when my flashdrive was mounted |
| 17:12.25 | xand | matias: other end, the .pub file, and the directory it's in, and your home dir |
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| 17:12.26 | matias | oh, in the remote matching, good point |
| 17:12.33 | matias | I guess that can be the problem! |
| 17:12.33 | un214 | xand: there's a way to turn that off you know |
| 17:12.40 | babilen | Qation: Ok, what about "ifconfig -a" ? |
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| 17:13.02 | xand | matias: er, I meant authorized_keys |
| 17:13.11 | xand | un214: doesn't mean it's a good idea :p |
| 17:13.23 | matias | I will check the permission of the public key in the remote host |
| 17:13.28 | Qation | oh now theres an eth0, thanks :) Do you usually need a -a switch on debian or something? |
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| 17:13.48 | un214 | xand: the reason is FAT filesystem |
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| 17:13.50 | babilen | Qation: Not, but that shows *all* interfaces regardless of their state |
| 17:14.01 | holow | hi all |
| 17:14.07 | Qation | Okay, I just turned it on |
| 17:14.12 | xand | un214: eww. |
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| 17:15.04 | matias | xand, how should it be in the remote host and here? I guess 700 in both |
| 17:15.33 | xand | 600? |
| 17:15.35 | holow | i'm so dumb in hardware i dunno which Debian version i need, or preferred. regarding 64bits. My proc is Coirei5 2500K. Which version do i need amd64 or ia64 please ? |
| 17:15.38 | Qation | I havn't really connected via bash with eth0 before, only wlan0, does anyone know how i can? |
| 17:15.40 | matias | ok, 600 |
| 17:15.47 | xand | holow: amd64 |
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| 17:16.16 | holow | hmm ok thanks for answer, now i need to understand why :) thanks anyway ! |
| 17:16.43 | xand | ia64 is itanium which is completely different to x86 which is what amd64 is based on |
| 17:16.53 | xand | amd64 is also called x86_64 |
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| 17:17.08 | dlumberg | how do I set LC_CTYPE outside of dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:17.11 | dlumberg | ? |
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| 17:18.38 | Qation | Can I connect to my network with just the base system commands using eth0? |
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| 17:20.16 | simonlnu | yes |
| 17:20.20 | wols | Qation: yes. wlan is not possible when you use wpa, but normal ethernet is fine |
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| 17:20.39 | Qation | wols: How do I do it? |
| 17:20.42 | wols | dlumberg: do you want to set it forever or just for this bash session? |
| 17:20.44 | simonlnu | it's a wols! |
| 17:20.52 | wols | Qation: you connect and it's done. if your router uses dhcp |
| 17:20.53 | dlumberg | forever |
| 17:21.02 | Qation | just plug it in you mean? |
| 17:21.07 | wols | dlumberg: put your desired LC_TYPE in /etc/environment |
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| 17:21.24 | wols | simonlnu: I need assistance from dpkg. and it only talks to me when I'm in a #d channel |
| 17:21.39 | simonlnu | that's usual |
| 17:21.45 | wols | Qation: yes. if your ethernet device is recognized, it will work automatically. what ethernet chip do you have? |
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| 17:22.12 | un214 | wols: yes |
| 17:22.13 | wols | simonlnu: got me a brand new (well, 2.5 years, but still in warranty) stinkpad |
| 17:22.24 | simonlnu | heh |
| 17:22.37 | Qation | wols: Its realtek, RTL8111/8168B |
| 17:22.38 | wols | and as usually, the wlan was a bitch |
| 17:22.52 | Qation | wols: i just got it working and regocnized |
| 17:23.16 | wols | Qation: that one is supported since ages. got myself such a chip. nothing to do, plug it in and the router will assign a IP normally. check with "/sbin/ifconfig" |
| 17:23.32 | Qation | ifconfig returns eth0 and lo |
| 17:23.37 | dlumberg | wols: do I put LC_CTYPE=utf-8 or just utf-8? |
| 17:23.56 | Qation | But I can't ping anything |
| 17:23.57 | simonlnu | both are wrong |
| 17:23.59 | moniker326 | is there anyone that can help me with bugzilla in here? I've got it installed. made the symlinks but receiving a 403 Forbidden You don't have permission to access /bugzilla/ on this server. |
| 17:24.03 | wols | LC_CTYPE=utf-8 |
| 17:24.16 | wols | simonlnu: mine seems to work that way for /etc/environment |
| 17:24.18 | simonlnu | you need language_LOCATION.UTF-8 |
| 17:24.33 | wols | Qation: ping 209.85.148.147 |
| 17:24.44 | matias | ok, it has 600 now but it's still asking a password, ssh with -v here says: http://pastebin.com/aDB5jytk (my private key is in id_dsa and the public part in id_dsa.pub inside ~/.ssh/id_dsa) :| |
| 17:24.49 | moniker326 | I've done some permissions looking and all the files look readable so I'm trying to figure out what file I may habe missed |
| 17:24.52 | matias | any idea xand |
| 17:24.53 | matias | ? |
| 17:25.08 | Qation | wols: connect: Network is unreachable |
| 17:25.30 | wols | Qation: and does ifconfig show an assigned IP or not? |
| 17:25.38 | dlumberg | web2019:~# echo $LC_CTYPE still coming back empty |
| 17:25.44 | xand | matias: what about permissions of your home directory on the remote machine, and the .ssh directory on there? |
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| 17:26.11 | Qation | I does show a inet6 assigned but not "inet addr" like lo has |
| 17:26.21 | wols | dlumberg: /etc/environment is a system wide setting and gets read sometime on bootup |
| 17:26.30 | Qation | it* |
| 17:26.32 | dlumberg | i rebooted |
| 17:27.14 | wols | dlumberg: why not just set locales normally? |
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| 17:27.26 | dlumberg | it's not setting LC_CTYPE |
| 17:27.32 | dlumberg | it's coming back as an empty line |
| 17:27.38 | Qation | Rebooting won't do anything right? |
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| 17:28.20 | wols | Qation: do you have a special DHCP server? you could set up the IP statically maybe |
| 17:28.21 | matias | xand, what should it be? I think I can change it |
| 17:28.24 | wols | in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:28.44 | xand | matias: what is it now? |
| 17:28.52 | Qation | I believe i set it manually in the installation |
| 17:29.04 | wols | Qation: then check /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:29.09 | Qation | oh wait |
| 17:29.12 | Qation | in the installation |
| 17:29.20 | Qation | i didn't have the firmware for my eth0 |
| 17:29.25 | Qation | so its not in the /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:29.48 | matias | it's weird because I can't list any directory but actually I can read them, if I try cd .ssh and then ls -l it has +rw just for me |
| 17:30.00 | wols | if it isn't in interfaces you didn't do anything at installation |
| 17:30.02 | Qation | Is the format for eth0 same as wlan0? |
| 17:30.11 | project2501a | yes |
| 17:30.12 | Qation | wols: I did for wlan0 |
| 17:30.15 | Qation | not eth0 |
| 17:30.20 | wols | for setting IPs and gateway, yes |
| 17:30.27 | matias | xand, is it good :P? |
| 17:30.29 | Qation | but since i can't connect wpa w/out netcfg |
| 17:30.38 | Qation | or wpa_supplicant i need to use eth0 |
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| 17:31.15 | wols | Qation: you need wpasupplicant. what is this netcfg? doesn't exist here. and I use wpa2 right now |
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| 17:31.23 | dlumberg | http://pastebin.com/4CnkMZMv |
| 17:31.49 | matias | oh, by the way, I'm using some kind of root but not sue if it's exactly a root or a fake environment, xand |
| 17:31.55 | xand | matias: umm, ls -ld ~ ~/.ssh |
| 17:32.00 | Qation | well I'd rather install that when i have eth0 connected, it probably has alot of dependencies |
| 17:32.11 | xand | on remote machine... what's the permissions shown? |
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| 17:33.43 | matias | drwxr-xr-x 3 ezx ezx |
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| 17:33.44 | matias | drwxr------ 3 ezx ezx |
| 17:33.50 | matias | that's all it says xand |
| 17:34.31 | matias | what if I do passwd? |
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| 17:35.06 | matias | I don't care if I have to write a password every time I try to connect but the problem is that I don't know it |
| 17:35.11 | ner0x | What exactly is "iceweasel" |
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| 17:35.27 | xand | matias: you don't know your password? |
| 17:35.29 | Parsifal | !tell ner0x about iceweasel |
| 17:35.34 | xand | ner0x: debian's version of firefox |
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| 17:36.27 | matias | xand, no because it never ask me a password (it's a phone running linux), I wonder if it have one at all |
| 17:36.42 | xand | @.@ |
| 17:36.49 | xand | it might not be setup to accept keys |
| 17:37.00 | ner0x | xand: Odd. Seems to be the same thing. |
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| 17:37.07 | matias | it's there are many tutorials to do so but I just can't :| |
| 17:37.09 | xand | ner0x: it is |
| 17:37.13 | matias | I guess I'm missing something |
| 17:37.15 | wols | matias: cat /etc/shadow- on your phone. if you have a password, the hash will be in there |
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| 17:37.24 | xand | ner0x: it's just the logo and name that are different really |
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| 17:38.40 | Zitter | hi, in my vga card I have a vga port, a dvi port and another port similar to ps2. What's that? Can I attach another monitor on third monitor? Now, I have 2 monitors attached, on on vga, the other on dvi. |
| 17:38.41 | matias | lol there's no file called neither "shadow" nor "shadow-" |
| 17:39.09 | xand | Zitter: s-video |
| 17:39.26 | xand | Zitter: and it's no use for monitors really, it's for an analog TV output |
| 17:39.27 | matias | (in /etc at least) |
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| 17:40.09 | Zitter | xand, ah ok. in any case I could attach an anolog display, and have 3 displays on one card, right? |
| 17:40.35 | xand | Zitter: it's analog and poor quality |
| 17:40.48 | xand | you'd have 640x480 or something |
| 17:40.49 | Zitter | yes, can i? |
| 17:41.00 | Zitter | ok |
| 17:41.02 | matias | well, I don't know what else I can try |
| 17:41.09 | Qation | I tried editing /etc/network/interfaces for eth0 and now it is stuck at "starting NFS common utilities: statdSetting kernel variables ...done." |
| 17:41.11 | Zitter | thanks :) |
| 17:41.11 | xand | if it even works on linux |
| 17:41.14 | Qation | on the bootup |
| 17:41.38 | xand | matias: is it android or what? |
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| 17:42.12 | matias | a1200 |
| 17:42.19 | matias | a Motorola a1200* |
| 17:42.57 | Qation | can anyone help? It prtings that it configured eth0 network interface |
| 17:43.02 | Qation | prints* |
| 17:43.56 | matias | for example here it says (in 4) that you can use keys: http://www.motorolafans.com/forums/a1200-applications/8640-app-sshd-v2_2-new-release-2.html |
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| 17:44.30 | dlumberg | after reinstalling locales 2x and rebooting a couple more times I got the locale set |
| 17:44.37 | dlumberg | but it's still giving me the same error |
| 17:45.10 | dlumberg | pulls hair out and looks around for a large fish to beat the server with |
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| 17:46.50 | wols | Qation: what did you put into your interfaces file? |
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| 17:47.07 | dlumberg | in +vN\xb0kPN\xb0w/htdocs/sites/all/modules/opengraph_meta/opengraph_meta.module on line 3 where in +vN\xb0kPN\xb0w/ should = /home/ |
| 17:47.35 | Qation | I put http://pastie.org/1875499 this basiclly without the "#' |
| 17:47.53 | Qation | it goes past "Configuring network interfaces" |
| 17:48.21 | Qation | Oh wait, it just showed a failure and skipped after about 3 minutes of waiting.. |
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| 17:48.56 | Qation | wols: My eth0 works now |
| 17:49.00 | wols | http://pastie.org/1875503 |
| 17:49.02 | wols | good |
| 17:49.04 | Qation | I don't know why that issue happened |
| 17:49.05 | wols | have fun |
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| 17:49.28 | Qation | wols: i didn't have the comments in the actual file |
| 17:49.34 | Qation | I just found that online quick |
| 17:49.43 | Qation | since i can't cp and paste it right now |
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| 17:50.56 | Qation | Would it cause problems to remove nfs common utilites? |
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| 17:51.52 | matias | so what should I do to change the root's password? |
| 17:52.05 | matias | ...or to set one |
| 17:52.32 | alphamale_ | can someone help me run debian from a usb pendrive, i have the iso i just need the proper grub commands for my script |
| 17:52.32 | tensorpudding | login as root, run passwd |
| 17:52.49 | simonlnu | !ifrp |
| 17:52.49 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 17:53.00 | matias | I thought so but as I can see I can't execute it :| |
| 17:53.22 | alphamale_ | i got it to run partially then i got an error about incorrect cd something |
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| 17:55.02 | scrieler | I do a stupid mistake... I set another user permission to /var/ ... I found a group.bak, is this backup to restore the permissions? |
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| 17:57.43 | simonlnu | scrieler: no, /etc/group |
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| 18:00.35 | scrieler | ok, but this are only groups, this can't solve my problem |
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| 18:01.25 | scrieler | is it possible to restore the user permissions from /var/* ? |
| 18:02.01 | un214 | possibly |
| 18:02.21 | un214 | take reports on what doesn't work, read its man pages to find out what in /var needs attention, and adjust |
| 18:02.23 | Qation | If I do y or n when doing this http://pastie.org/1875534 it won't let me install java... |
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| 18:04.59 | Qation | am I installing th wrong packages? |
| 18:05.01 | jelly-home | Qation: you misspelled that second package name, . vs - |
| 18:05.04 | Qation | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.12 | dlumberg | http://pastebin.com/M6QkLtRg the first part of the file path should be /home/ but it's changing every time |
| 18:05.23 | scrieler | ok, thx |
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| 18:05.42 | Qation | jelly-home: I see, but it gave the same result basically |
| 18:06.10 | jelly-home | Qation: that is unusual. Are you mxinig releases? |
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| 18:06.36 | Qation | well when I first updated, it told me to insert the cd I used |
| 18:06.41 | Qation | So would that mean something? |
| 18:07.02 | jelly-home | not really, just that you didn't remove the cd entry from /etc/apt/sources.list yet |
| 18:07.15 | Qation | oh |
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| 18:07.48 | Qation | Ok removed that |
| 18:08.12 | matias | lol |
| 18:08.14 | jelly-home | Qation: pastebin the output of apt-cache policy libc6 openjdk-6-jre, please |
| 18:08.23 | matias | I could login using telnet |
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| 18:09.28 | Qation | jelly-home: http://pastie.org/1875550 |
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| 18:10.18 | jelly-home | Qation: you don't seem to have any real mirror configured in your sources.list file. |
| 18:10.31 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Qation about squeeze sources.list |
| 18:10.37 | Qation | Oh.. |
| 18:11.01 | jelly-home | it seems you only have the security line |
| 18:11.17 | jelly-home | add the first deb ... line as well, do an aptitude update again |
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| 18:12.06 | johndo | hi |
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| 18:12.23 | Qation | jelly-home: Thanks looks like its installing now |
| 18:12.24 | johndo | is there a tool to download the proper version of a debian package manually? |
| 18:12.46 | jelly-home | johndo: what do you mean by a proper version? |
| 18:13.04 | johndo | the version which is suitable for your system |
| 18:13.23 | johndo | *the one apt-get would install when it wopuld work |
| 18:13.25 | tensorpudding | johndo apt-get download, i think, will do what you want |
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| 18:14.28 | johndo | tensorpudding: E: Invalid operation download |
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| 18:14.45 | tensorpudding | oh |
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| 18:15.48 | jelly-home | johndo: apt-get -d install packagename |
| 18:16.01 | jelly-home | johndo: why does apt-get not work? |
| 18:16.22 | jelly-home | also, HOW does apt-get not work? |
| 18:16.57 | johndo | jelly-home: apt broke in the middle of an upgrade to squeeze as usual |
| 18:17.04 | jelly-home | johndo: pastebin the failing apt command and its complete output, so it can be fixed |
| 18:17.09 | johndo | but this time it seems to be broken badly |
| 18:17.38 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell johndo about bat |
| 18:17.41 | johndo | jelly-home: E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. |
| 18:17.46 | johndo | E: Unable to correct dependencies |
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| 18:17.59 | johndo | but there are no held packages |
| 18:18.01 | jelly-home | johndo: pastebin. complete output. |
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| 18:20.43 | babilen | johndo: Same action with aptitude too, please (same pastebin) |
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| 18:21.06 | johndo | babilen: there's already a bug about it i think |
| 18:21.32 | johndo | /usr/bin/python gets likned to /usr/bin/python2.6, but there is no /usr/bin/python |
| 18:21.49 | johndo | and then apt-get breaks |
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| 18:22.01 | babilen | *show us* |
| 18:22.08 | simplechat | hey guys, how do you do inline italics/etc. with nroff? |
| 18:22.14 | johndo | usually it starts again after relinking /usr/bin/python to python2.5 |
| 18:22.20 | simplechat | just a very random question |
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| 18:22.23 | johndo | but not this time |
| 18:26.31 | matias | guys, I still have the same problem but at least now I can login using telnet. the log while trying to use ssh with -v is this: http://pastebin.com/77Feq5TX, I think the problem are these lines: debug1: Trying private key: /home/matias/.ssh/id_rsa | debug1: Offering DSA public key: /home/matias/.ssh/id_dsa, the first one doesn't exists and the second one is my private key not my public key! how can I fix it? |
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| 18:27.48 | _linuxftw | Just setup debian using debootstrap, /dev/disk/by-uuid is only populated with one of my disks, despite several others being connected and appearing as /dev/sd*, ideas? |
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| 18:28.11 | un214 | filesystems that don't support uuids |
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| 18:29.06 | un214 | my luck with uuids has been worse than /dev/sd* for stability |
| 18:29.20 | johndo | babilen: cannot find it anymore, apt has so many bugs ... :( |
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| 18:29.42 | _linuxftw | Ok, that explains it un214, none of the drives have filesystems on them :) |
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| 18:30.13 | Qation | What should i do if when i bootup, it stops at "Starting NFS common utilities: statdSetting kernel variables ...done" |
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| 18:30.33 | martianlobster | what is the easiest way to print all lines in a file, which have a certain length? |
| 18:30.34 | un214 | boot with init=/bin/sh will get you in |
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| 18:30.56 | un214 | but I haven't a clue how to fix it |
| 18:31.38 | un214 | martinlobster: grep `dd if=/dev/zero bs=number count=1 | tr '\0' .` file |
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| 18:31.51 | un214 | martinlobster: grep ^`dd if=/dev/zero bs=number count=1 | tr '\0' .`$ file |
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| 18:37.04 | flupps | I'm having some issues getting grub to work from my SSD, can get it to work fine from SATA and SCSI on the same system, just the SSD that's a bit picky. I can also get it to book from a SATA drive if I put it on the same channel as the SSD doesn't work on. Not really sure how to continue troubleshooting from there :/ |
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| 18:37.50 | jhutchins_lt2 | matias: What exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 18:39.34 | matias | I'm trying to connect through ssh to a phone device running linux and sshd but even if I put my public key there it's still asking me for a password (and no, I don't have it, and I'm not sure if it has one at all), jhutchins_lt |
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| 18:40.19 | matias | (I couldn't find any "shadow" file) |
| 18:40.35 | johndo | how can i search what package satisfies a virtual package? |
| 18:40.43 | jhutchins_lt | matias: The password woudl be for whatever user you're connecting as. Whether it will allow a blank password depends on how it's set up. |
| 18:40.48 | johndo | *a dependency on a virtual package |
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| 18:41.10 | matias | jhutchins_lt, what is your suggestion? I have tried many things |
| 18:41.25 | jhutchins_lt | If it's standard linux ssh, you generate a keypair on the device you're connecting _from_, copy the public key to .ssh/authorized_keys on the device you're connecting _to_. |
| 18:41.52 | matias | jhutchins_lt, it's what I did :| |
| 18:42.34 | matias | in my phone I have: -rw------- 1 root root 606 May 7 14:20 id_dsa.pub |
| 18:42.39 | matias | here: /ezxlocal/home/root/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 18:43.06 | matias | and in my computer: -rw------- 1 matias matias 672 Apr 10 11:12 id_dsa |
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| 18:43.11 | Azrael_- | since when isn't the home dir at /root ? |
| 18:43.14 | matias | here: /home/matias/.ssh |
| 18:43.30 | matias | jhutchins_lt, do you see anything wrong? |
| 18:44.08 | jhutchins_lt | matias: No, I think you're going to need to get support from whoever supports the OS on the phone and/or for dropbear. |
| 18:44.22 | matias | ok, I think so |
| 18:44.28 | jhutchins_lt | matias: Looks like an encryption mis-match probably the wrong type of key. |
| 18:44.42 | jhutchins_lt | matias: You might try to generate an RSA key instead of DSA. |
| 18:44.54 | matias | ahmn, that can be but I don't have idea how to check that |
| 18:45.24 | jhutchins_lt | ssh-keygen -t rsa |
| 18:45.41 | jhutchins_lt | What's the phone OS? |
| 18:46.03 | matias | MontaVista(R) Linux(R) Consumer Electronics Edition 3.1 |
| 18:46.04 | matias | Linux/armv5tel 2.4.20_mvlcee31-mainstone_pxa27x |
| 18:46.05 | johndo | babilen: that's where apt-get fails: http://pastebin.com/DgUAK2D8 |
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| 18:46.29 | matias | it's weird because if I try using telnet it doesn't ask me any password and I can login using root |
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| 18:47.02 | jhutchins_lt | !locale |
| 18:47.03 | dpkg | A locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale |
| 18:47.13 | jhutchins_lt | !locales |
| 18:47.14 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 18:47.32 | jhutchins_lt | johndo: It's not really failing, see above to eliminate the error. |
| 18:47.45 | jhutchins_lt | johndo: If you think you're having resolution problems you can try aptitude instead. |
| 18:47.50 | johndo | jhutchins_lt: it is failing |
| 18:48.04 | johndo | and the locale is set to utf8 already |
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| 18:49.18 | jhutchins_lt | johndo: I see that there is a problem with python, but you need to fix the locale first, then you might try aptitude -f install. |
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| 18:49.45 | johndo | jhutchins_lt: # env | grep -e LANG -e LC_ |
| 18:49.45 | johndo | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 18:50.15 | johndo | and apt-get -f install fails in resolving dependencies |
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| 18:50.33 | jhutchins_lt | johndo: Is /etc/default/locale set? |
| 18:50.59 | jhutchins_lt | johndo: I said aptitude, not apt-get. It's better at resolving dependencies. Please pastebin your sources.list. |
| 18:51.01 | johndo | jhutchins_lt: yes, to the same: LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 18:52.15 | jhutchins_lt | johndo: it shows that on line 39, but LANGUAGE and LC_ALL are unset. |
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| 18:52.52 | johndo | jhutchins_lt: i know, these errors occur always |
| 18:52.59 | johndo | *warnings |
| 18:53.48 | johndo | jhutchins_lt: aptitude at least can resolv dependencies, but want to remove me 174 packages :( |
| 18:54.49 | johndo | jhutchins_lt: but good idea, it can download me some more of the needed packages |
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| 18:56.00 | johndo | any idea how can i search what package satisfies a dependency of a virtual package? |
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| 18:56.52 | johndo | I need something what provides LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 18:57.02 | johndo | I need something what provides libapt-pkg4.10 |
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| 18:57.09 | johndo | sorry, wrong paste .. |
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| 18:59.39 | veg | hi all, i have problems with microphone. i can't turn off switcher Aux Capture in volume mixer. it was turned off from start, but when i turn on it doesn't changes anymore |
| 19:00.03 | matias | well, it's not possible as I can see |
| 19:00.04 | matias | :| |
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| 19:02.31 | veg | any solution? |
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| 19:06.49 | veg^ | exactly in skype people hear sounds of my pc, music, beeps, etc |
| 19:06.59 | Qation | Does anyone know how i can extend the panels to fit dual monitors in gnome? |
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| 19:09.04 | johndo | does dpkg change the auto-installed state of a package in apt/aptitude? |
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| 19:09.25 | themill | no |
| 19:09.42 | johndo | good, ty |
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| 19:15.24 | johndo | for anyone who's interested: I have solved the problem by manually installing packages with dpkg until I had the new apt installed |
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| 19:15.47 | johndo | apt from squeeze can resolve the dependencies now and apt-get -f install works again |
| 19:16.08 | johndo | so only the lenny apt was to stupid for the task ;) |
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| 19:19.57 | johndo | but apt still wants to remove too many packages now, completely unnecessary i guess |
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| 19:21.37 | un214 | lots of replaced packages that changed names |
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| 19:22.48 | johndo | un214: yes, but that's not what i mean, e.g. miro still has the same name |
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| 19:23.18 | johndo | and i bet i can re-install it without any probl;em after the upgrade |
| 19:23.38 | johndo | it's only the dependency resolver which is too limited |
| 19:24.16 | johndo | and it has failed again, now with a ruby error |
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| 19:24.35 | johndo | there are realloy to many different script languages involved in the package process :( |
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| 19:24.43 | alphamail | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.30 | alphamail | i need some help booting debian from usb pendrive, i got part way through and then got a cd rom error, i think my grub commands are not correct |
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| 19:26.43 | johndo | is there any way to rebuild or cleanup /var/lib/dpkg/available ? |
| 19:26.49 | johndo | it has very old entries |
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| 19:29.04 | themill | johndo: what do you mean by old entries? /msg dpkg purge |
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| 19:31.42 | johndo | themill: no, not to cleanup packages |
| 19:31.51 | johndo | the packages are gone long ago |
| 19:32.05 | johndo | but there are still entries in that file |
| 19:32.17 | HSorgYves | morning, i have trouble with the php function mail; the manual says to edit /etc/mail/trusted-users, but on Debian the folder /etc/mail doesn't even exist; anyone an idea where to put the trusted-users file for sendmail on Debian? |
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| 19:32.56 | themill | johndo: does "aptitude search ~c" return anything? |
| 19:33.05 | johndo | no |
| 19:33.08 | johndo | but i recheck |
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| 19:33.48 | BlackFate | HSorgYves, depends on the smtp you use |
| 19:33.50 | johndo | well, it does not work at the moment, but i had checked that before i started the upgrade |
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| 19:34.37 | HSorgYves | BlackFate: postfix |
| 19:35.06 | BlackFate | HSorgYves, in postfix you must edit main.cf |
| 19:35.16 | BlackFate | HSorgYves, and set authorized_submit_users = |
| 19:35.26 | BlackFate | HSorgYves, and add users seperated by commas |
| 19:35.41 | HSorgYves | BlackFate: ok, will try that |
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| 19:36.58 | BlackFate | HSorgYves, restricting read access of main.cf file to the users will also "restrict" them from sending |
| 19:37.02 | johndo | themill: these are really old package descriptions, e.g. communicator-spellchk-477x |
| 19:37.08 | HSorgYves | BlackFate: default: static:anyone; should work out of the box shouldn't it? |
| 19:37.13 | johndo | so this file hasn't been clean up for releases |
| 19:37.25 | orzo | Hello. I experience an erratic touchpad, but I've only noticed it since upgrading from my install medium. How simple is it to re-install the install-medium-kernel? |
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| 19:37.34 | themill | johndo: apt in squeeze (lenny even) manages this quite happily. |
| 19:37.36 | BlackFate | HSorgYves, you want everyone to be able to send? |
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| 19:38.20 | themill | dpkg: tell johndo about available |
| 19:38.31 | johndo | themill: at the moment it warns me about missing architecture in such an entry, so apt is not that happy about it ;) |
| 19:38.46 | HSorgYves | BlackFate: I want to prevent X-Warning's; but maybe there source is another |
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| 19:39.33 | johndo | themill: ty, will try that when the upgrade is finished |
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| 19:40.32 | zitter|mobile | what's the chipest device with and hard drive based on ARM, compatible with debian? i'm looking in debian am wiki page, but it's not useful for what I need |
| 19:40.45 | zitter|mobile | *with a hard drive |
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| 19:47.10 | BlackFate | HSorgYves, this is a sendmail error, not a postfix. try removing sendmail if you have it installed |
| 19:47.32 | johndo | are reverse dependencies of packages allowed or is this a bug? |
| 19:47.41 | BlackFate | HSorgYves, i find it strange if have both of them. |
| 19:47.49 | BlackFate | if you have* |
| 19:48.20 | HSorgYves | BlackFate: i don't have it installed, it is part of postfix isn't it? |
| 19:49.13 | BlackFate | HSorgYves, apt-cache policy sendmail postfix |
| 19:50.16 | HSorgYves | BlackFate: sendmail isn't installed, postfix is |
| 19:51.03 | HSorgYves | BlackFate: but /usr/sbin/sendmail is there and afaik it is used by mail from php to sent mail |
| 19:51.11 | dualcore | i know this isn't the right channel to ask this, but does anyone know if the xhtml page load time is faster if you include multiple scripts with html vs. including one 'loader' script that loads the other scripts? |
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| 19:52.10 | orzo | I found two kernel packages on my install medium: ./pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64_2.6.32-30_amd64.deb and ./pool/main/l/linux-latest-2.6/linux-image-2.6-amd64_2.6.32+28_amd64.deb. Which, if any, of these would it have installed initially? It's a debian squeeze net-install image. |
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| 19:53.11 | sickgut | anyone know of a paint prog for the linux frame buffer |
| 19:53.20 | orzo | Why is there a linux-latest-2.6 and a linux-2.6 as separate directories? |
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| 19:53.25 | sickgut | ie run a paint prog at the console not x? |
| 19:53.48 | BlackFate | HSorgYves, when i say sendmail, i refer to the actual package. The executable is something all mtas have. try cat mail.log | grep -v postfix | grep smtp to see if there a second mta interfering |
| 19:54.03 | BlackFate | there is* |
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| 19:54.31 | orzo | sickgut, perhaps look for a ggi based paint app. |
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| 19:56.16 | acu | hey guys - I have a toshiba laptop and the sound just sucks big time - I can hear only from the laptop speakers etc - tried a load of alsa upgrades and stuff - does not work - I am tempted to get into sid or something intermediary - testing ? - is anything in there for testing ? |
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| 19:56.27 | HSorgYves | BlackFate: it's going through an anti-spam, just checking if that one is the source of the "problem" |
| 19:56.27 | orzo | sickgut, gtk is also apparently available for directfb, so you could probably build gimp from source or something. |
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| 19:58.57 | Bushmills | HSorgYves: try to let your php script send a mail, then look at the mail.log for the actual reason why the mail isn't delivered - if it isn't at all |
| 19:59.20 | Bushmills | no use in reacting to an error reason which doesn't exist |
| 20:00.21 | HSorgYves | Bushmills: it gets delivered |
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| 20:00.38 | Bushmills | so what you're worrying about then? |
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| 20:01.12 | HSorgYves | Bushmills: that X-Warnigs are being added, some filter use them to tag e-mail as spam |
| 20:01.35 | CyL | Does the Debian installer offer the options to install a system with luks+lvm with aes-xts? |
| 20:02.14 | Bushmills | HSorgYves: filter of incoming mail somewhere, i suppose. determine why that filter tags mail with a warning |
| 20:03.01 | Bushmills | may be as simple as setting up a proper PTR record. |
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| 20:05.02 | drjohn | i wanted to run debian testing |
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| 20:05.20 | Bushmills | now you don't want it anymore? |
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| 20:06.04 | drjohn | i seem to boot just fine except my touchpad doesn't seem to work |
| 20:06.28 | drjohn | my keyboard too, actually |
| 20:06.54 | drjohn | after gdm starts, to be specific. |
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| 20:07.30 | jhutchins_lt | drjohn: Congratulations. Your test has successfully found a bug. |
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| 20:09.45 | HSorgYves | Bushmills / BlackFate : was the anti-spam appliance, many thanks for helping; got me a better insight on mail delivery and investigation |
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| 20:12.25 | aguitel | i cannot run software-properties-gtk ,how i fix ? |
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| 20:13.39 | Kull | Are you runninga s root? |
| 20:13.43 | Kull | aguitel? |
| 20:13.59 | aguitel | Kull: yes |
| 20:14.00 | Kull | You need to be root to use that package |
| 20:14.07 | Kull | What is the problem, exactly? |
| 20:14.16 | aguitel | not open the window |
| 20:14.37 | Kull | Are there any messages in the console? Any error messages, or pop up errors? |
| 20:14.52 | aguitel | Kull: i will put in pastebin |
| 20:14.57 | aguitel | wait |
| 20:16.16 | aguitel | Kull: http://pastebin.com/kdJ4EjrE |
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| 20:17.09 | Kull | And you are sure you are root? |
| 20:17.19 | aguitel | Kull: yes |
| 20:17.22 | Kull | Looks like a problem with Python? |
| 20:17.43 | aguitel | i dont know |
| 20:17.49 | Kull | Did you install Python3, by any chance? |
| 20:17.50 | aguitel | how i know |
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| 20:18.20 | aguitel | Kull: i came from lmde and delete all mint software |
| 20:18.46 | aguitel | Kull: to preserve only debian software |
| 20:18.50 | Kull | Well, this is the Debian channel. Ask in Linux Mints channel. This is NOT for LMDE users. Do not ask about LMDE here. |
| 20:19.05 | aguitel | Kull: i am on debian testing |
| 20:19.08 | nsadmin | you hit enter too soon |
| 20:19.12 | Kull | LMDE is not Debian. |
| 20:19.33 | aguitel | i am remove all mint aplication |
| 20:19.45 | jelly-home | aguitel: such a system would still have Mint changes in config files and possibly elsewhere. To be on the safe side, install Debian |
| 20:19.57 | Kull | LMDE is not Debina testing, it is Linux Mint's version of Debian. Stop asking for help with LMDE here, this is a Debian channel and for PURE Debian only. |
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| 20:20.46 | nsadmin | Kull, who are you trying to punish? |
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| 20:21.08 | Kull | nsadmin: Punish? Nobody, just following the freenode catalyst guidelines. You can go read them if you like. |
| 20:21.10 | Kull | I dare you. |
| 20:21.39 | Kull | Go ahead. |
| 20:21.44 | Kull | Scoot along, now. |
| 20:21.52 | nsadmin | so attacking someone is being a catalyst? |
| 20:21.57 | nsadmin | got it... |
| 20:22.04 | themill | Kull: please play nicely with the other kiddies. |
| 20:22.11 | xand | aguitel: you can't make debian by removing things from Mint's installed softwar.e |
| 20:22.34 | Kull | I did not attack anyone, I referd them to the proper channel. This channel is for Debian only. Yelling "But LMDE *is* Debian ten times doesnt make it Debian. |
| 20:22.36 | xand | (isn't Mint based on Ubuntu, so even more not-debian) |
| 20:22.56 | Kull | xand: LMDE is Linux Mint Debian Edition, ie; off topic. |
| 20:22.59 | aguitel | xand: ok |
| 20:23.08 | jelly-home | xand: not necessarily, /msg dpkg lmde |
| 20:23.14 | xand | Kull: why are you telling me that? |
| 20:23.19 | xand | jelly-home: I see |
| 20:23.32 | Kull | xand: Because you just said you thought it was Ubuntu, obviously. |
| 20:23.50 | CyL | !lmde |
| 20:23.51 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 20:24.07 | xand | Kull: the latter part was not necessary |
| 20:24.09 | nsadmin | I think the point is to see whether you're stepping up to serve or be right/authority/cop? |
| 20:24.42 | nsadmin | if the latter, you need to examine your reason for posting recently |
| 20:24.53 | Kull | xand: yes, telling you it was off topic was relevant since you are obviously being off topic. Redundancy is pointless. This is #debian not #notdebian |
| 20:25.18 | xand | Kull: STFU. |
| 20:25.19 | Bushmills | use debian netinstall for a mint lookalike. |
| 20:25.21 | themill | Kull: enough with lecturing everyone, thanks. |
| 20:25.27 | Kull | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:26.04 | themill | so is /aq kull |
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| 20:26.31 | nsadmin | does that reverse-dns the hostname? |
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| 20:28.14 | rww | autobleh /aq doesn't. it also doesn't use chanserv to quiet ;) |
| 20:30.03 | johndo | is there any callback or hook where i can execute commands when the keyboard or mouse is re-added to the X server? |
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| 20:30.16 | johndo | (to add xset or xmodmap commands) |
| 20:30.44 | nsadmin | aguitel, so, what do you want to do, keep what you have now or install debian? |
| 20:30.52 | un214 | you can monitor hotplug the hardway |
| 20:30.58 | un214 | or perhaps use udev triggers |
| 20:31.10 | johndo | un214: it should be in userspace, not the system ;) |
| 20:31.20 | un214 | that is userspace |
| 20:31.24 | johndo | keyboard settings are user depend |
| 20:31.27 | aguitel | nsadmin: any way to reinstall all debian package ? |
| 20:31.29 | johndo | *dependend |
| 20:31.38 | ompaul | one of the right ways to get debian testing is this, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ the other is to upgrade from debian stable to testing, I know of no other. Where others have changed things you can't be sure it will be |
| 20:31.49 | ompaul | debian like in its appearance |
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| 20:32.16 | johndo | un214: right, userspace, i mena with user permissions, not requiring root permissions |
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| 20:32.46 | simonlnu | 'dependent' |
| 20:33.04 | johndo | simonlnu: thanks :) |
| 20:33.14 | nsadmin | aguitel, probably, but that might not get you what you actually want... what is that? to actually have debian? |
| 20:33.20 | simonlnu | np |
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| 20:33.37 | aguitel | nsadmin: yes |
| 20:33.48 | simonlnu | so install debian, and be happy |
| 20:33.56 | nsadmin | ok, are you starting from a different install? |
| 20:34.01 | wols | installed debian and is very unhappy |
| 20:34.02 | aguitel | nsadmin: i erase all lmde package |
| 20:34.09 | wols | stupid powertop tells me I currently use 300W |
| 20:34.14 | wols | on a notebook |
| 20:34.17 | nsadmin | that;s not my question... |
| 20:34.20 | jelly-home | wols: nice! |
| 20:34.35 | wols | yes, I always wanted a black space heater |
| 20:34.36 | ompaul | wols: you get a new fuse with that? |
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| 20:34.46 | simonlnu | 300W of brain power maybe :P |
| 20:34.57 | jelly-home | wols: you could probably also use it as a cooker if that were true |
| 20:35.10 | wols | better: i invented a perpetuum mobile. the powerbrick is only rated for 90W. I have 210W free energy! |
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| 20:36.12 | nsadmin | last time you -installed-, did you actually install debian? this is important, because if you didn't start from install or debootstrap, things could be different from what a helper would expect |
| 20:37.04 | nsadmin | however... you're welcome to keep what you have, with the understanding that it may or may not actually be debdebian |
| 20:37.10 | aguitel | i installed lmde |
| 20:37.26 | aguitel | nsadmin: ok |
| 20:37.38 | nsadmin | so you installed that and want to keep it the way it is? |
| 20:38.22 | aguitel | nsadmin: i keep only debian repo and debian package instaled |
| 20:38.54 | aguitel | nsadmin: i want to keep only debian |
| 20:38.58 | nsadmin | (as we have recently seen) some people are going to say "that's not debian" and not want to help... again, that is your choice |
| 20:39.10 | aguitel | ok |
| 20:39.15 | aguitel | no problem |
| 20:39.20 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: So what can he do to remove any Mint "tainted" packages? |
| 20:39.37 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Wouldn't they show up as being from the Mint repos? |
| 20:39.44 | aguitel | yes |
| 20:40.04 | nsadmin | what I want to make really sure of, is you understand that you have that choice (and it most likely includes whether you can get support here) |
| 20:40.26 | Bushmills | i just tried software-properties-gtk with debian (testing, though), and the pastebinned problem didn't show |
| 20:40.58 | nsadmin | jhutchins_lt: I've never converted from not-debian to debian like that... mostly that;s because I don't want a mess :) |
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| 20:41.20 | moniker326 | hello guys |
| 20:41.25 | Bushmills | instead, it opens a dialog looking like http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1304800858597191723d.png |
| 20:41.28 | jhutchins_lt | Having mixed RPM distros early in my linux career I tend to avoid such things myself. |
| 20:41.46 | nsadmin | it does raise the question of, how does his situation differ from debootstrap |
| 20:41.47 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Isn't there a way to search for the source repo with aptitude? |
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| 20:42.24 | nsadmin | I think so, also aot-cache policy <poackage> should tell you |
| 20:42.26 | moniker326 | trying to get bugzilla to work but getting a 403 forbidden does anyone use bugzilla in here or installed in recently to know what files I need to do permissions on to fix this? |
| 20:42.44 | mrjohn | I am having trouble running debian testing: when gdm starts, the keyboard and mouse seem to not work |
| 20:42.48 | moniker326 | http://pastebin.ca/2054963 |
| 20:42.49 | jhutchins_lt | so he should be able to find any mint packages and purge them. |
| 20:42.54 | Bushmills | nsadmin: feel free to figure that out |
| 20:42.55 | moniker326 | here is my bugzilla.conf file |
| 20:43.01 | nsadmin | you need to find out why you're getting the 403 |
| 20:43.11 | themill | jhutchins_lt: and assume that they don't leave any unown config files behind. |
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| 20:43.24 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Trusting purge. |
| 20:43.35 | themill | don't. |
| 20:43.41 | jhutchins_lt | grep -ri mint /etc/* |
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| 20:44.25 | jhutchins_lt | aguitel: Most of us would just take the easy route and do a clean install (format the system), but it might be possible. |
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| 20:44.45 | nsadmin | moniker326, the typical thing to do in your situation is tail the web server error log and access one of the 403 pages |
| 20:45.04 | acu | did anyone heard/used installed Cantebury Project Distro (combination of the best of Debian, OpenSUse, Arch and others) ? |
| 20:45.14 | ompaul | on april 1 ? |
| 20:45.32 | acu | we are on May 7 |
| 20:45.34 | ompaul | acu that announcement that was makde on april 1 ? |
| 20:45.36 | acu | 2011 |
| 20:45.50 | nsadmin | if the log messages are actually useful, they'll immediately show you why |
| 20:45.53 | acu | that what I got I guess |
| 20:46.08 | acu | om nama shivaya |
| 20:46.24 | Bushmills | acu, yes. now microsoft intends to contribute windows as well |
| 20:46.30 | acu | lol |
| 20:46.52 | nsadmin | slams the door on windows... |
| 20:46.54 | acu | that would be a big blow to all open source linux |
| 20:47.10 | Bushmills | they thought "if you can't beat them, join them" i suppose |
| 20:47.39 | acu | on the other hand it will allow a true universal operating system to emerge - as a lot of proprietary features are locked |
| 20:47.54 | nsadmin | "if you can't beat them with stupid little legal tricks, throw lots of money at them" |
| 20:48.49 | ompaul | s/legal/dubious/ |
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| 20:49.24 | johndo | how many filedescriptors does apt-listbugs need? |
| 20:49.30 | johndo | Reading package fields... 58%/usr/lib/ruby/1.8/debian/utils.rb:47:in `pipe': Too many open files (Errno::EMFILE) |
| 20:49.54 | simonlnu | acu: uh, it was an april fool's joke |
| 20:50.15 | nsadmin | I wonder if apt-listbugs could be improved on the server side |
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| 20:50.32 | johndo | ulimit says 1024 is the limit, what does apt-listbugs need so many fds for?? |
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| 20:51.30 | nsadmin | johndo: how many files do you have open already? |
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| 20:52.02 | johndo | nsadmin: dunno, isn't that per shell or session? |
| 20:52.25 | nsadmin | -maybe- per process |
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| 20:54.39 | nsadmin | so if you divide the work into 10 processes, you could potentially have like 10000 files? |
| 20:55.50 | johndo | nsadmin: lol, it looks like it opens an fd for every .deb file it checks ... |
| 20:56.05 | johndo | and keeps that open |
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| 20:56.40 | Bushmills | !dex |
| 20:56.40 | dpkg | The Debian dErivatives eXchange project (DEX) aims to bring deltas from Debian derivatives and merge them into Debian. http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110318 http://dex.alioth.debian.org/ See also <dfd>. |
| 20:56.43 | johndo | so 1385 packages to upgrade = 1385+ fds open ... |
| 20:56.44 | johndo | tsss |
| 20:56.51 | Bushmills | acu, ^^^ |
| 20:57.15 | Bushmills | not that many distributions as centerbury, but similar purpose |
| 20:57.21 | nsadmin | it's reasonable that it opens a fd per .deb file but it's a bug for it to leave them open... that's a resource leak |
| 20:57.25 | Bushmills | canter... |
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| 21:01.01 | s3a | How come when I join #debian-women, it says " Now talking on ##unavailable" |
| 21:01.17 | nsadmin | you've been forwarded |
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| 21:01.25 | nsadmin | ask on #freenode |
| 21:01.33 | themill | s3a: the channel is not on freenode, it's on oftc |
| 21:01.46 | s3a | themill, o thanks |
| 21:03.09 | Bushmills | because freenode policies discourage gender discrimination? |
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| 21:03.19 | dualcore | i didn't realize debian was so new |
| 21:03.28 | jelly-home | or s3a isn't registered yes |
| 21:03.33 | jelly-home | yet* |
| 21:03.39 | dualcore | is every version named after a toy story character? |
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| 21:03.47 | jelly-home | or the channel moved to irc.debian.org? |
| 21:03.59 | jelly-home | dualcore: yes. |
| 21:04.06 | ompaul | dualcore: mid nineties |
| 21:04.16 | ompaul | 1.1 was 96 |
| 21:04.19 | dualcore | what did deb come from? |
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| 21:04.44 | themill | !history |
| 21:04.45 | dpkg | i guess debian history is http://www.debian.org/intro/about#history http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ or ask me about <release history> for the reader's digest condensed version. |
| 21:05.02 | jelly-home | dualcore: Toy Story came out over fifteen years ago |
| 21:05.07 | jhutchins_lt | Linux only goes back to aroudn 95 or so. |
| 21:05.21 | johndo | jhutchins_lt: not really |
| 21:05.32 | johndo | at least 92 i would say |
| 21:05.40 | ompaul | jhutchins_lt: 91 :-) |
| 21:05.52 | jham | isn't it a paradox? women want to be handled equal but still create a women channel :) |
| 21:05.57 | ompaul | is too old |
| 21:06.24 | un214 | /dev/null on slackware is 93 if that's a clue |
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| 21:07.16 | jhutchins_lt | n June 1994 in GNU's bulletin, Linux was referred to as a "free UNIX clone", and the Debian project began calling its product Debian GNU/Linux. I |
| 21:07.22 | wols | the linus usenet posting was 1991. the same year he started with programming linux |
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| 21:07.50 | jhutchins_lt | ompaul: Yes, I know. |
| 21:08.18 | ompaul | jhutchins_lt: ack |
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| 21:08.53 | rww | jham: Isn't it a paradox? Black people want to be handled equal but still create a black advocacy group? |
| 21:09.06 | thewanderer1 | guys, getting this in ssh: debug1: An invalid name was supplied |
| 21:09.09 | jhutchins_lt | ompaul: I started out with RH2.1 |
| 21:09.13 | thewanderer1 | and it takes 10 seconds to connect |
| 21:09.18 | Bushmills | SLS came before slackware |
| 21:09.31 | jhutchins_lt | passes thewanderer1 a -v and a log file reader. |
| 21:09.37 | ompaul | jhutchins_lt: that is not today or yesterday ;-) |
| 21:09.42 | wols | thewanderer1: tried proper-remote-username@remote.server.com ? |
| 21:09.51 | aguitel | nsadmin: is there netinstall image from testing ? |
| 21:09.53 | wols | thewanderer1: as parameter for your ssh command |
| 21:10.00 | rypervenche | A friend installed Debian on a computer for me and gave me access to it. I am the only user on it, but I would like to change my username. How can I do that? |
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| 21:10.14 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: doing that via ssh root@de:ad:be::ef |
| 21:10.16 | nsadmin | aguitel, I think so |
| 21:10.18 | un214 | you don't |
| 21:10.24 | Bushmills | rypervenche: create a new user, if you're root |
| 21:10.25 | daemonkeeper | rypervenche: usermod |
| 21:10.26 | un214 | you can change your real name with chfn |
| 21:10.27 | thewanderer1 | works when I pass an IPv4 addr |
| 21:10.48 | wols | thewanderer1: does the remote server allow root logins? hopefully not |
| 21:10.48 | nsadmin | rypervenche, ask your friend to do it |
| 21:10.53 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, ipv6. How quaint. |
| 21:10.57 | thewanderer1 | wols: it does, that's not the issue... |
| 21:11.14 | thewanderer1 | IPv4 connects in under 1 second, IPv6 waits |
| 21:11.18 | rypervenche | I can ssh into it to do it, and I have sudo powers, I just need to figure out how I can do it so nothing is messed up (like my home directory) |
| 21:11.37 | Bushmills | well, usermod -l would be an option, but additional work is needed. |
| 21:11.47 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: I would guess that the address you're using doesn't match what the sshd server thinks it's hostname is, or doesn't match a key in the keys table |
| 21:11.48 | wols | rypervenche: create a new user, copy everything over and chown it properly again |
| 21:12.13 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: hmm... just deleted the client's known_hosts |
| 21:12.28 | thewanderer1 | anything else I should try? |
| 21:12.40 | rypervenche | Bushmills: What kind of additional work? |
| 21:12.53 | jhutchins_lt | rypervenche: (Or you can just change the name in the password and shadow files. |
| 21:13.12 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.12 | jhutchins_lt | rypervenche: You might need to change the mail name too. |
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| 21:13.25 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, yes, rename /home/<you> |
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| 21:13.37 | wols | thewanderer1: does the ipv6 reverse dns lookup work? |
| 21:13.37 | Bushmills | rypervenche: you'd need to check whether home dir path needs to be changed too |
| 21:13.56 | nsadmin | if you rename that dir, you will have to run usermod again |
| 21:13.57 | thewanderer1 | wols: hmm nope, but I've put "UseDNS no" in the server's sshd_config |
| 21:14.28 | Bushmills | then there may be configuration tidbits in /etc regarding the former user name |
| 21:14.37 | aguitel | nsadmin: is possible to reinstall with no format / ? |
| 21:15.27 | Bushmills | i'd not bother with hunting those down, but simply have an additional user created |
| 21:16.07 | wols | aguitel: yes. the debian installer has normal vts. so press ctrl+alt+f2 and you can remove/rename whatever you need before actually letting the installer install stuff |
| 21:16.29 | jhutchins_lt | aguitel: Formatting ensures that everything from the mint install is gone though. |
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| 21:17.01 | ompaul | aguitel: you must delete all things in / that are system based however you can leave /home but should move your current user to /home/olduser or something |
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| 21:17.25 | aguitel | ok thanks i will reformat |
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| 21:17.46 | thewanderer1 | sorry, trying to tcpdump has crashed my X.org :P |
| 21:18.31 | nsadmin | aguitel, you might want to save /home |
| 21:18.34 | aguitel | i will backup /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 21:18.42 | jham | rww: black advocacy is not black-people-zone, imho |
| 21:18.49 | aguitel | nsadmin: ok |
| 21:19.35 | johndo | argh, 1744 fds open, what an ressource pig apt-listbugs has been made :/ |
| 21:19.43 | aguitel | nsadmin: i will backup /var/cache/apt/archives to avoid download updates |
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| 21:20.50 | jelly-home | aguitel: if you're going to install debian stable, that won't be much help |
| 21:21.00 | thewanderer1 | okay, guess I can live with a bit of login delay :P |
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| 21:21.15 | aguitel | jelly-home: debian testing |
| 21:21.17 | johndo | aguitel: hopefully mint has not modified debian packages without changing version number ;) |
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| 21:21.48 | aguitel | johndo: ok |
| 21:21.54 | acu | does anyone knows what distro of Linux is IBM using ? |
| 21:22.17 | streuner | AIX? :-P |
| 21:22.36 | jelly-home | acu: ibm is very, very large. Their products seem to often embed suse though. |
| 21:23.44 | streuner | they surely dont use Linux, thats for sure :-) |
| 21:24.00 | ompaul | streuner: IBM are huge users of linux |
| 21:24.13 | ompaul | they just don't call it that :) |
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| 21:24.31 | acu | jelly-home: IBM aprox 400000 people world wide - and they switched to linux - I forgot to ask what distro they use - so suse |
| 21:25.39 | acu | I always wonder why debian has to modify the original files - even for apache http webserver - why not let them as they were made by the initial authors |
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| 21:26.24 | jelly-home | acu: thy asking in ##linux. I have no idea what they're using on desktops. |
| 21:26.53 | streuner | windows |
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| 21:27.39 | jelly-home | acu: debian does a lot of integration so that various packages interoperate well with one other; in addition, they make them conform to Debian Policy. |
| 21:28.29 | jhutchins_lt | acu: Have you ever run linux from scratch (lfs)? |
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| 21:28.42 | claint | Well, I went to a show where a guy was demoing IBMs mainframe that can run a bunch of other systems virtually, and the guy there installed RedHat, but he also had SuSE and Debian images. |
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| 21:29.36 | claint | it was about a month ago. |
| 21:29.48 | jhutchins_lt | SuSE works with IBM and supplies the software for their POS systems. |
| 21:29.59 | acu | jhutchins_lt, no - lfs perhaps I should learn to do that - I need something pure and original - |
| 21:30.09 | cheasee_ | one drive fell off my raid5, but there was no error, not even any smart error.. so im wanting to add it back to the raid but mdadm always adds it as spare? |
| 21:30.16 | acu | I used suse few years ago - it was the smoothest install of all |
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| 21:30.47 | jhutchins_lt | acu: Pre- or Post-Novel? |
| 21:30.54 | claint | I tried SuSE many years ago, and the installation wasn't smooth at all. |
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| 21:31.11 | jelly-home | cheasee_: even if you do a --re-add ? |
| 21:31.14 | jhutchins_lt | acu: SuSE messes with a LOT of the linux system. |
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| 21:31.52 | dehaeL | yo |
| 21:31.58 | acu | so how do I search to install linux from scratch |
| 21:32.06 | cheasee_ | jelly-home, nope, same result |
| 21:32.08 | jhutchins_lt | acu: Yes, lfs will give you an idea of what the distributions do to the "upstream" packages |
| 21:32.17 | jelly-home | cheasee_: pastebin your /proc/mdstat |
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| 21:32.58 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: what upstream "packages" |
| 21:33.01 | jelly-home | hides |
| 21:33.06 | jhutchins_lt | acu: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org |
| 21:33.19 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: tarballs? |
| 21:33.29 | jelly-home | are not packages |
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| 21:33.45 | jhutchins_lt | For certain definitions of "package". |
| 21:34.14 | jhutchins_lt | Could be extended to mean "box with floppies in it" and "set of tapes". |
| 21:34.48 | jhutchins_lt | (Box of punchcards might be stretching it...) |
| 21:35.19 | claint | oh that reminds me, that IBM mainframe.... had virtual punchcards. I went wtf. |
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| 21:36.51 | jhutchins_lt | The State of Kansas still uses RPG for most of it's programming. |
| 21:37.06 | jhutchins_lt | (RPG is a punchcard-based language) |
| 21:37.12 | cheasee_ | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/m08R6WnG |
| 21:37.17 | ompaul | I did RPG II back in the day |
| 21:37.42 | claint | That's like roleplaying with rocket launchers. |
| 21:38.02 | ompaul | no that cobol but life is too short to admit you know anything about it |
| 21:39.36 | jelly-home | cheasee_: hm, I don't really remember. remove sda2, assemble with one "missing" drive, and then add it? |
| 21:40.30 | akio | What is the easiest way to go back to the 2.6.32-31 kernel? |
| 21:40.45 | akio | I am affected by bug 619019 |
| 21:40.54 | ompaul | if it is still installed choosing it at boot up |
| 21:41.13 | akio | I only saw two, regular and recovery. |
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| 21:41.40 | akio | Actually I meant 2.6.32-30. |
| 21:41.53 | dvs | akio: still too high |
| 21:41.59 | akio | hmm |
| 21:42.20 | ompaul | ,versions kernel |
| 21:42.21 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'kernel' was found in i386. |
| 21:42.31 | ompaul | I know judd ;-) |
| 21:42.56 | ompaul | ,versions linux-image |
| 21:42.57 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image' was found in i386. |
| 21:43.05 | akio | linux-base I think has iut,. |
| 21:43.16 | ompaul | searches brain for clue |
| 21:43.21 | jhutchins_lt | akio: Why not go to -32? |
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| 21:43.28 | akio | How do I do that? |
| 21:43.29 | themill | ,kernels |
| 21:43.30 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.39-rc5-686-pae (2.6.39~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-4); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 21:43.37 | ompaul | themill: thanks |
| 21:43.44 | akio | I could use backports right? |
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| 21:44.13 | jhutchins_lt | akio: What release are you on? |
| 21:44.41 | akio | I am i386 Desktop squeeze up to date. |
| 21:44.50 | akio | Standard gnome. |
| 21:45.16 | jelly-home | akio: /msg dpkg sdo |
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| 21:46.07 | jelly-home | akio: do we want to know why you want to go back to 2.6.32-30? |
| 21:46.18 | psheldr | hello all, i have 5 files and i run an algorithm on each of them. if i do this sequentially and use the command 'time' i get 11secs real rime and 10sec user time. If i run them in parallel i get 6 secs real and again 10secs user time - the real time is accurate i just used an external clock - but what does the user time mean? how can it be longer than the real time? |
| 21:46.43 | akio | I want to go back to an earlier unaffected kernel? |
| 21:46.50 | akio | bug 619019 i think |
| 21:47.23 | jelly-home | psheldr: can your app use more than one thread/cpu core? |
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| 21:47.55 | jelly-home | (/ means "or", above) |
| 21:48.10 | psheldr | jelly-home: i don't know - i just run it in seperate processes - i assume it should use more cores - and yes i have a dual core... |
| 21:48.29 | jelly-home | psheldr: utilizing two cores for 100% for 10 seconds = 20 seconds user time |
| 21:48.39 | psheldr | ah ok thanks! |
| 21:49.04 | deepy | is utilizing 50% of two cores for 10 seconds equal to 10 seconds user time? |
| 21:49.09 | jhutchins_lt | akio: Dunno where you got -31, but you could install the .38 backport. |
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| 21:49.26 | jelly-home | psheldr: also -- the first run could have read the files from disk, and subsequent runs from memory (disk cache) |
| 21:49.34 | akio | Halfway down the thread for bug 619019 it mentions that I could use 2.6.32-30 to avoid the bug. |
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| 21:49.55 | jhutchins_lt | akio: But 32-30 is not currently available for squeeze. |
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| 21:50.17 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: which is why we pointed him to snapshots |
| 21:50.17 | jhutchins_lt | akio: You can have .32-5 or .38 |
| 21:50.30 | Raccoon1400 | what kernel is the current stable release using? |
| 21:50.42 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: current kernel packages are version 2.6.32-31 |
| 21:50.44 | jhutchins_lt | 2.6.32-5 |
| 21:50.48 | Bushmills | ,kernels |
| 21:50.49 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.39-rc5-686-pae (2.6.39~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-4); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
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| 21:51.06 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: nope, that's kernel ABI (and part of binary package NAMES) |
| 21:51.20 | jhutchins_lt | Oh, I'm misreading it. |
| 21:51.50 | akio | Yeah I just did an aptitude show on the linu-image name and it shows 32-31 |
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| 21:51.56 | moniker326 | anyone have any suggestions for bugzilla 403 error what file to give permissions to? |
| 21:51.58 | moniker326 | http://support.modwest.com/content/2/181/en/after-i-install-bugzilla-i-get-error-403-forbidden.html |
| 21:52.00 | moniker326 | I tried all this |
| 21:52.12 | jelly-home | akio: thanks, I can see how an invisibl cursor can maek things worse |
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| 21:52.28 | akio | I'm going by keyboard but I am also a systems engineer. |
| 21:52.45 | Raccoon1400 | how often is there a new stable release? |
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| 21:53.13 | deepy | moniker326: check your logs |
| 21:53.16 | nsadmin | one per versiuon increment |
| 21:53.23 | Raccoon1400 | I'm using arch right now, but updates messed it all up, and I'm looking for something a bit less bleeding edge |
| 21:53.25 | akio | What about going to wheezy? |
| 21:53.35 | akio | How is the state of that? |
| 21:53.39 | Bushmills | moniker326: don't ignore directory permissions |
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| 21:55.26 | jelly-home | akio: don't unless you absolutely have to. Try using the old kernel or the backported one first. |
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| 21:55.56 | S4nD3r | Is there any student in computer science, undergraduate, who would like to learn portuguese and teach advanced english? |
| 21:56.01 | jhutchins_lt | Raccoon1400: Debian doesn't release on a set schedule. Last one took about two years. |
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| 21:58.33 | jhutchins_lt | akio: wheezy is going to be a rough road for a while. |
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| 21:59.53 | DetroitLibertyPe | whenever I try to view descriptions of updates within update manager I always get "download of changes failed" is this a problem on my machine or on Debian's servers? |
| 21:59.59 | smacnay | Hi - is gnome3 anywhere near ready in Debian sid? |
| 22:00.36 | jhutchins_lt | smacnay: No, niether is KDE4.6.3 |
| 22:00.42 | streuner | smacnay: /msg dpkg gnome3 |
| 22:00.52 | smacnay | jhutchins_lt, thanks |
| 22:00.55 | smacnay | streuner, thanks |
| 22:01.19 | s3phir0th115 | This is probably already known, but there is a site error |
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| 22:01.31 | s3phir0th115 | It's listing a security update from the future |
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| 22:01.55 | jhutchins_lt | s3phir0th115: Don't think we've heard about that one yet. |
| 22:02.17 | s3phir0th115 | Ahh, front page |
| 22:02.20 | s3phir0th115 | "[06 Jun 2011] DSA-2231 otrs2 - cross-site scripting " |
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| 22:02.29 | S4nD3r | Is there any student in computer science, undergraduate, who would like to learn portuguese and teach advanced english in MSN? |
| 22:02.33 | s3phir0th115 | Unless time advanced a month when I wasn't looking.... :p |
| 22:02.52 | jhutchins_lt | s3phir0th115: No problem here. |
| 22:03.17 | jhutchins_lt | s3phir0th115: What site are you talking about? |
| 22:03.24 | s3phir0th115 | The debian front page |
| 22:03.24 | Bushmills | S4nD3r: there's a portuguese spell checker in debian, if that's of any help |
| 22:03.27 | s3phir0th115 | debian.org |
| 22:03.59 | s3phir0th115 | Very front page, has what I pasted listed. It's still there after clearing my cache too |
| 22:04.11 | jhutchins_lt | s3phir0th115: So there is. |
| 22:04.13 | S4nD3r | Bushmills, that's true. But I'd like to study english exchanging, I could teach anything in portuguese. |
| 22:04.23 | jhutchins_lt | s3phir0th115: Yup, that's an error all right. |
| 22:04.39 | jhutchins_lt | I'll bet they meant 06 May |
| 22:04.50 | acu | how can I get better looking login and graphics for squeeze - etch was 1000 times better - squeeze graphics sucks big time - is those stars are just too childish and unprofessional looking |
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| 22:05.10 | acu | I mean desktop and themes etc - including the login and background etc |
| 22:05.10 | jhutchins_lt | acu: Use your own image. |
| 22:05.23 | simonlnu | everyone has an opinion |
| 22:05.34 | jhutchins_lt | acu: That would be the ?dm background. |
| 22:05.43 | Bushmills | S4nD3r: debian-reference-pt-br is the debian administration guide, also in portuguese |
| 22:05.44 | acu | yes - gdm |
| 22:06.22 | S4nD3r | Certainly |
| 22:06.25 | jhutchins_lt | I think I must have the netbook theme here. |
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| 22:06.54 | acu | can I switch to gdm instead of gdm3 |
| 22:07.47 | s3phir0th115 | Yeah, figured I'd make sure it was known. |
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| 22:08.33 | acu | simonlnu: indeed everyone has opinion - the tragedy is that average IQ in humans is 100 - and for everybody with 120 you have to barely functional 90 walking around :) - but hey - a pack of beer equalizes everything quickly ) |
| 22:09.05 | streuner | lol |
| 22:09.29 | simonlnu | what does iq have to do with a) an opinion b) aesthetic sense? |
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| 22:10.23 | akio | Installing kernel from backports now. |
| 22:10.25 | streuner | and c) who cares about a login at all |
| 22:10.40 | acu | simonlnu: a moron has porky esthetic sense - 100% of the time - it takes more than 3 neurons to have an esthetic sense - |
| 22:10.41 | streuner | usually |
| 22:11.17 | jhutchins_lt | Is there a theme manager for kde4? |
| 22:11.22 | simonlnu | and what do these have to do with debian? |
| 22:11.23 | acu | opinion: a dog might have an opinion too - they make them clear sometimes by biting - if you do not agree :) |
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| 22:12.01 | iluminator101 | i am missing compress when i right click why? |
| 22:12.04 | jhutchins_lt | acu: gdm should be theemable. |
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| 22:12.24 | jhutchins_lt | acu: You should be able to select a different (or no) background. |
| 22:12.43 | jhutchins_lt | acu: I don't know how to do it in gnome, you might have to resort to gdmrc |
| 22:13.04 | iluminator101 | what package is compress in? |
| 22:13.12 | acu | simonlnu: the Graphic Interface matters big time - Etch has beautiful professional look - squeeze is more modern but the look immediatly after installation - sucks - at least if you run gdm3 |
| 22:13.24 | simonlnu | what do these have to do with debian? |
| 22:13.24 | streuner | iluminator101: /msg dpkg search |
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| 22:13.42 | iluminator101 | this happens in debian |
| 22:13.56 | acu | lol |
| 22:14.09 | themill | iluminator101: it would be handy if you said what you were right clicking... |
| 22:14.11 | jhutchins_lt | simonlnu: He doen't like the default debian theme. |
| 22:14.25 | iluminator101 | themill, i rightclick on a folder |
| 22:14.39 | simonlnu | yeh, and like you said, he can change it |
| 22:15.32 | iluminator101 | whats the compress package? |
| 22:16.33 | jhutchins_lt | acu: See if this helps (please let me know): http://www.techytalk.info/2011/02/ubuntu-debian-gdm-login-screen-theme-wallpaper/ |
| 22:16.40 | themill | iluminator101: the question you are asking isn't the question you really want to ask, but no-one knows what you're actually doing yet |
| 22:16.40 | acu | anyhow - thanks guys - have a nice day - I wish I can influence the change of debian first look - because it turns off many new commers |
| 22:17.01 | simonlnu | !search |
| 22:17.01 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <debtags>. |
| 22:17.03 | acu | jhutchins_lt, thanks a bunch |
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| 22:17.22 | themill | acu: you need to participate in the debian-desktop mailing list then |
| 22:17.26 | iluminator101 | look i tried to compress a folder before it crashed...i dont know what happed i just want to compress a folder thats all |
| 22:17.48 | Bushmills | why would a console login turn off newcomers? |
| 22:18.15 | themill | iluminator101: we still don't even know what application this is in |
| 22:18.28 | iluminator101 | nautilus |
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| 22:18.36 | iluminator101 | i dont think nautilus is loading |
| 22:18.41 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: It's surprizing how aversive some people are to a CLI. |
| 22:19.16 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: They seem to feel it asks too much of them, and anything that exposes it is unfinished and badly made. |
| 22:19.21 | themill | iluminator101: at last! why did it take so long to find this out? "apt-cache search nautilus compress" |
| 22:19.50 | Bushmills | but .. all that uncluttered wealth of screen real estate. the promise radiating from the login prompt. |
| 22:20.44 | iluminator101 | i found the package i think its called libcompress-zlib-perl |
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| 22:21.30 | themill | iluminator101: read the description of that package and see if you think it has anything to do with nautilus. |
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| 22:29.53 | ssfdre38 | what KDE ver comes with 6.0 |
| 22:30.21 | babilen | ssfdre38: 4.4.5 -- see http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 22:33.53 | rami | Hey! I'm using sid. I know, it's UNSTABLE, but how could a open source project survive without people trying out and testing the new stuff? So, after a dist-upgrade long time ago, my vlc was broken. Removed and I am unable to reinstall ist (broken dependencies). Is there any chance to fix it? Does it help to wait for changes in the repository? Do I have to reinstall my system to get vlc working again? Is anyone able |
| 22:33.53 | rami | to help me? |
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| 22:34.28 | Bushmills | waiting may help |
| 22:35.08 | rami | ok thanks |
| 22:35.12 | rami | so i have at least hope. |
| 22:35.30 | rami | but hope doesn't play musik like vlc. argh. okay, i'll wait :D |
| 22:36.00 | Bushmills | there are more ways to play movies and audio files than vlc, though |
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| 22:36.56 | babilen | !unstable |
| 22:36.56 | dpkg | Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Only supported in #debian-next on irc.debian.org. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
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| 22:39.00 | iluminator101 | Openbox-Message: Unable to find a valid menu file "debian-menu.xml" |
| 22:39.00 | iluminator101 | ????? |
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| 22:39.31 | Bushmills | update-menus |
| 22:39.51 | Arrowmaster | rami: whats the broken dependency? nothing stands out as missing to me from a quick look |
| 22:39.59 | jhutchins_lt | System Settings/Look & Feel/Appearance/Style/Workspace |
| 22:40.16 | iluminator101 | Openbox-Message: Failed to open the display from the DISPLAY environment variable. |
| 22:40.18 | iluminator101 | ???? |
| 22:40.29 | themill | dpkg: tell iluminator101 about repeat |
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| 22:40.50 | Bushmills | iluminator101: start X, or set DISPLAY properly |
| 22:41.11 | themill | iluminator101: please provide context to your questions. It's really hard to help you when you don't. |
| 22:41.27 | rami | Arrowmaster: I cannot give you a pastebin of my output because my apt-get is in german. but I think the problem is in 'libavutil50'/'libavutil-extra-50' |
| 22:41.43 | ssfdre38 | would it break the system if i install kde 4.6 |
| 22:41.55 | iluminator101 | themill i dont know what happened all i know was i tried to compress a fill using right click compress on the folder |
| 22:42.02 | iluminator101 | folder* |
| 22:42.09 | Arrowmaster | rami: tip for that, prefix the command with `LC_ALL=C` and it will be in english |
| 22:42.53 | rami | Arrowmaster: Argh. I remembered weakly and tried LOCALE=C. thanks :D |
| 22:43.23 | themill | rami: LANG=C command |
| 22:43.29 | Arrowmaster | hmm i see libavutil50 in sid |
| 22:44.23 | rami | http://pastebin.com/QkbLmU9q |
| 22:44.51 | babilen | ssfdre38: Be patient. KDE 4.6 is being actively worked on and it will eventually become available in Debian. |
| 22:45.05 | iluminator101 | can someone tell me what package right click compress is in debian wheezy |
| 22:45.19 | iluminator101 | right clicking on a folder that is |
| 22:45.53 | ssfdre38 | babilen: well im trying to make my own os and im using Debian as my prototype |
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| 22:46.15 | Arrowmaster | rami: ah it seems to be a conflict with the debian-multimedia.org packages |
| 22:46.31 | babilen | ssfdre38: You would have to package KDE 4.6 alone in that case if you don't want to wait until it becomes available in Debian. |
| 22:47.03 | ssfdre38 | that is why im wondering if i do it myself will i break the system |
| 22:47.43 | Arrowmaster | rami: you either need to downgrade all the libav* packages to the 4:* versions or upgrade them to the 5:* versions from dmo |
| 22:47.44 | themill | iluminator101: didn't I answer that about half an hour ago? did that not work? |
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| 22:48.20 | iluminator101 | themill what was it you said system crashed then |
| 22:48.31 | rami | Arrowmaster: What is easier and safer? upgrade or downgrade? |
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| 22:49.07 | Arrowmaster | upgrading is probably easier |
| 22:49.07 | iluminator101 | themill cache search comes back empty on compress package |
| 22:49.20 | themill | iluminator101: "apt-cache search nautilus compress" |
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| 22:50.03 | iluminator101 | themill comes back "nautilus-sendto - integrates Evolution and Pidgin into the Nautilus file manager |
| 22:50.04 | iluminator101 | " |
| 22:50.12 | Arrowmaster | rami: actually try using aptitude install vlc instead of apt-get install vlc, i wonder if aptitudes dependancy resolver will sort it out on its own |
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| 22:50.39 | themill | iluminator101: the next question for you is "why does that package match those search terms?" |
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| 22:50.59 | aguitel | i installed netinstall cd (testing) only with command line (no software) but no internet connection i have |
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| 22:51.58 | dvs | aguitel: A wired connection? |
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| 22:52.06 | aguitel | dvs, yes |
| 22:52.16 | iluminator101 | themill the sytem is broken i am trying to figure out why....like i said all i did was try to compress a folder |
| 22:52.28 | dvs | aguitel: What does your /etc/network/interfaces says? |
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| 22:52.47 | rami | Arrowmaster: aptitude wants me to remove ffmpeg, libav*, libpostproc*, mplayer,
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| 22:52.53 | aguitel | i make /etc/init.d/networking stop and restart again but nothing happens |
| 22:52.53 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 22:53.13 | dvs | aguitel: What in your /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 22:53.14 | themill | iluminator101: is there some other language that you'd rather seek help in? I ask because you're really not making any sense or providing any useful information. |
| 22:53.26 | aguitel | dvs, how i see this? |
| 22:53.38 | dvs | aguitel: cat /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:53.57 | iluminator101 | themill i did like you said apt-cache search nautilus compress and thats what came up |
| 22:54.21 | rami | Arrowmaster: http://pastebin.com/PGXUwSrk |
| 22:54.26 | aguitel | dvs, i will return later |
| 22:57.14 | Arrowmaster | rami: ok try aptitude install vlc libavcodec52=5:0.6.2-0.1+M libavutil50=5:0.6.2-0.1+M |
| 22:57.25 | Arrowmaster | i think that syntax might work |
| 22:59.14 | rami | Arrowmaster: "unable to find a version 5:0.6.2-0.1 for the package libavcodec52" |
| 22:59.19 | rami | and the same für libavutil50 |
| 23:00.27 | Arrowmaster | ok check your sources.list, you must have debian-multimedia.org in there but i dont think its for sid |
| 23:01.17 | rami | In the second you wrote that I found that out by myself. In my sources.list were debian-multimedia.org for squeeze - I don't know why |
| 23:01.34 | rami | I'll do apt-get update and try again :D |
| 23:02.26 | babilen | rami: I don't quite understand why you didn't provide the information I asked you about in #debian-next on oftc -- It would have contained all that and more :-( |
| 23:03.15 | rami | babilen: because at that time I thought I was only on the way to find the mistake
I apologize for my silliness
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| 23:04.13 | rami | I'm going to post it |
| 23:04.16 | rami | so at first this: |
| 23:04.28 | rami | http://patebin.com/hgqAMPbx |
| 23:04.33 | rami | after changing the source to sid |
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| 23:06.00 | un214 | !kde |
| 23:06.00 | dpkg | K Desktop Environment (KDE) is based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org/ for release news and other details. Not a window manager. To get or delete KDE, ask me about <install kde> or <remove kde> respectively. Ask your KDE questions in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), see also <kde_trouble>. http://wiki.debian.org/KDE KDE-related IRC channels: http://userbase.kde.org/IRC_Channels |
| 23:06.27 | rami | http://paste.debian.net/116323 the policy |
| 23:06.35 | ZykoticK9 | rami, fyi http://patebin.com/hgqAMPbx = fail |
| 23:06.59 | rami | oops |
| 23:07.03 | rami | http://pastebin.com/hgqAMPbx |
| 23:07.11 | scoobertron | Im doing a full system backup. Do I need to backup /dev? or is it populated at boot? |
| 23:07.14 | rami | I had to copy it by hand from my laptop to my desktop computer^^ |
| 23:07.20 | Arrowmaster | rami: ok try aptitude update "~i ~n^libav" |
| 23:07.23 | Arrowmaster | er |
| 23:07.25 | Arrowmaster | upgrade |
| 23:08.11 | pipeline | scoobertron: you don't need to back up or restore dev |
| 23:08.26 | pipeline | scoobertron: in fact you should avoid it, because dev contains some synthetic filesystems that aren't real files e.g. /dev/ptys |
| 23:08.37 | rami | Okay, now he upgraded libavutil50 but kept back the other one |
| 23:08.44 | pipeline | scoobertron: tar --one-file-system is your friend on this one -- you can back up your filesystems individually |
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| 23:09.06 | scoobertron | pipeline: thanks, I thought so but just wanted to check. |
| 23:09.41 | Arrowmaster | rami: you might just want to do a full upgrade right now, the others are being kept back because stuff depends on them right, so those need upgraded too |
| 23:10.02 | un214 | attempting to clone /dev is actually rather harmless |
| 23:10.04 | babilen | rami: Be careful not to pull in perl though |
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| 23:10.24 | dvs | recurses into /dev/mem |
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| 23:10.41 | un214 | tar won't recruse into /dev/mem |
| 23:10.43 | pipeline | dvs: actually tar is smart enough to copy device nodes as device nodes and not actually read the devices |
| 23:10.55 | pipeline | dvs: just, in the age of udev, who gives a damn about saving device nodes |
| 23:10.57 | rami | babilen: broken too? But that shouldn't be a problem with vlc, I hope. I'll be careful with perl |
| 23:11.10 | un214 | pipeline: I do |
| 23:11.17 | rami | Arrowmaster: aptitude upgrade still wants be to remove ffmpeg and the other packages |
| 23:11.28 | dlumberg | http://pastebin.com/M6QkLtRg any ideas why php or apache might be changing the /home/ dir into these weird strings? |
| 23:11.31 | un214 | I actually bothered to populate the real /dev in case I need to crossmount and chroot in |
| 23:11.39 | dlumberg | this started happening after I upgraded to squeeze |
| 23:11.51 | Arrowmaster | rami: i dont know anymore |
| 23:12.00 | rami | Arrowmaster: stop, wrong |
| 23:12.00 | rgr | could someone familiar with lvm set up please look here http://pastebin.com/57unMw2j : this is following a complete new install. I am running the new install now. Whats with the failure lines? This came from trying to run system-config-lvm. |
| 23:12.07 | rami | I used the wrong commandline |
| 23:12.12 | rami | maybe i've got it |
| 23:13.07 | rami | It seems to work |
| 23:13.15 | rami | He is updating mplayer correctly |
| 23:13.23 | rami | After the upgrade I'll try to reinstall vlc |
| 23:14.35 | dlumberg | rgr: what does "blkid /dev/sda1" give you? |
| 23:15.10 | rgr | /dev/sda1: UUID="89c7ce2d-189f-47a9-b2c6-cc8c989f22bb" TYPE="ext2" |
| 23:16.14 | rgr | I got the sys config lvm working from the menu, but boy am I seeing some strange stuff. It seems my old lvm prior to the reinstall is somehow wrapped up in the new lvm. In eed to sit down with a pen and paper and work through it. |
| 23:16.16 | dlumberg | actually do it without the /dev/sda1 just blkid |
| 23:16.52 | rgr | http://pastebin.com/spa0Tn6i |
| 23:16.54 | jelly-home | rgr: also pastebin "pvs -v" and "vgs -vv" |
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| 23:17.27 | dlumberg | I recently had an issue where I changed a partition and it changed the uuid |
| 23:17.39 | dlumberg | check fstab to see if it's mounting by uuid |
| 23:17.50 | dlumberg | if it is you might have an old or bad entry in there |
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| 23:18.51 | jelly-home | rgr: did you format or reuse disks that previously had lvm on them? |
| 23:18.53 | rami | Arrowmaster: It finally worked! Thank you a lot! |
| 23:19.19 | rgr | debian squeeze fresh install and told it to use one of the drives and set up its own partitions. |
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| 23:19.26 | dlumberg | weird |
| 23:19.32 | rgr | I mean, its working : I'm using it now. |
| 23:19.48 | rgr | but wondering what the hell the batch of errors at start are |
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| 23:20.35 | ws2k3 | hello guys i have installed smb to my machine now i run smbclient -L \\127.0.0.1 -U backup to test my server when i run the command it asks for a password then i fill in my password and i get NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILER |
| 23:20.38 | jelly-home | rgr: unrelated, but since it's a new install, I have to ask why the separate /usr |
| 23:20.58 | rgr | no idea : the installer did it. |
| 23:21.04 | jelly-home | silly installer |
| 23:21.16 | rgr | hang on and I'll have that info you requested |
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| 23:21.47 | rgr | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/MxJs9jGx |
| 23:24.30 | jelly-home | rgr: so it looks like the pv on /dev/dm-0 changed its uuid somehow |
| 23:24.40 | jelly-home | what's that, a multipath device? |
| 23:25.14 | jelly-home | rgr: ls -l /dev/mapper/ |grep dm-0 |
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| 23:25.16 | rgr | no idea what that means. Its 3 sata drives. I told the installer to just install on one device a Terabyte drive and reformat etc itself. |
| 23:25.37 | rgr | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 May 7 23:24 sda5_crypt -> ../dm-0 |
| 23:26.19 | jelly-home | oh, alright, so your pv is on the crypted block device |
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| 23:26.42 | SRMatt | Hello! Do you know if it's possible to stream any sound of a computer? I mean, not just music, using X application, but everything |
| 23:26.47 | rgr | everything is on the one device. |
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| 23:26.55 | rgr | if device==physical drive |
| 23:27.22 | ws2k3 | what is the location of the binaries of the ftpd server? |
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| 23:28.30 | jelly-home | rgr: I don't know how to fix that inconsistency. Perhaps doing a "vgcfgbackup" and a rebuild of initramfs image (update-initramfs) is enough, perhaps not. |
| 23:29.02 | rgr | is it correct that the lvm gui would say "no file system" for the logical volume /dev/development/home? |
| 23:29.03 | jelly-home | rgr: try asking in the lvm channel if noone else knows |
| 23:29.20 | jelly-home | has no idea what "lvm gui" even means |
| 23:29.31 | rgr | really? Wow. |
| 23:29.50 | rgr | ok thanks. |
| 23:30.18 | jelly-home | ws2k3: use dpkg -L packagename to get a list of the files installed |
| 23:30.49 | jelly-home | ws2k3: typically a service/daemon will have its main binary under /usr/sbin |
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| 23:34.09 | aguitel | i make /etc/init.d/networking stop and restart again but nothing happens |
| 23:34.16 | aguitel | i installed netinstall cd (testing) only with command line (no software) but no internet connection i have |
| 23:35.03 | aguitel | nsadmin, you are here ? |
| 23:36.33 | SRMatt | I want to listen from other computer whatever this one is reproducing, without caring what application I'm using, would be it possible? I think there should be a way to stream everything like a radio but well, just for me |
| 23:36.36 | SRMatt | any idea? |
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| 23:37.24 | dlumberg | SRMatt: google pulseaudio and networking |
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| 23:38.54 | SRMatt | oh, let me see |
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| 23:40.12 | chelz | i'm trying to preseed with debian squeeze and a floppy in virtualbox. when i hit esc to get "boot:", i put "preseed/file=/floppy/preseed.cfg" but when i hit enter it says "Could not find kernel image: preseed/file=/floppy/preseed.cfg". putting a "/install.386/vmlinuz" infront of it causes a kernel panic |
| 23:41.15 | SRMatt | I guess you have to have a soundcard in the server computer, I don't :| |
| 23:41.37 | aguitel | i installed netinstall cd (testing) only with command line (no software) but no internet connection i have |
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| 23:44.15 | MrFrood | aguitel: wired or wireless? |
| 23:46.27 | aguitel | MrFrood, wired |
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| 23:47.15 | MrFrood | !tell aguitel about firmware |
| 23:47.38 | MrFrood | (just a guess) |
| 23:48.48 | SRMatt | I can't find any guide to configure pulseaudio to work over a network |
| 23:48.49 | MrFrood | there is also a good chance that it's just that the testing installer is borked |
| 23:49.13 | SRMatt | dlumberg, did you do it before or you just know it's possible? |
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| 23:50.10 | dlumberg | I just read about ubuntu switching to using pulse as the default because it has networking |
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| 23:51.13 | MrFrood | pulse has horrible latencies :( |
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| 23:52.16 | dlumberg | it all but gets uninstalled when you install ubuntu-studio |
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| 23:53.13 | SRMatt | but do you know if it'll be possible to use it just as another radio (I mean, reproducing an m3u, pls or whatever) or if you have to configure any client you want to use? dlumberg |
| 23:53.14 | MrFrood | JACK is the way to go for quality audio |
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| 23:53.21 | SRMatt | JACK? |
| 23:53.24 | SRMatt | let me check it |
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| 23:54.07 | jelly-home | jack is for music making apps |
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| 23:54.40 | MrFrood | jelly-home: it also for quality audio output |
| 23:55.27 | jelly-home | MrFrood: I can't be the judge of that since I don't have quality audio output devices |
| 23:55.41 | SRMatt | I don't care the quality so much I just want to be able to listen any sound reproducing a m3u file, for example, from another device :P |
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| 23:56.38 | jelly-home | MrFrood: but i do know jack really prefers a RT kernel or a low-latency one, and debian's default isn't really their preferred choice in settings |
| 23:57.08 | MrFrood | custom kernals |
| 23:57.18 | jelly-home | to just play music? |
| 23:57.26 | MrFrood | yes |
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| 23:58.38 | MrFrood | pre-amp + 2 mono blocks here - I take my music seriously |
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| 23:58.55 | buu | Hey, I've got one of those silver power mac g5 towers and I'm trying to figure out someway to install debian. I downloaded the powerpc iso and burned it, but when I go through the boot process (by holding alt) and then select the cd drive, I get a 'working cursor' for a few seconds then it returns back to the disk selection screen, any thoughts? |
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| 23:59.58 | jelly-home | !ppc |
| 23:59.58 | dpkg | [powerpc] PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
