| 00:00.18 | jelly-home | bbd: try that channel if noone answers here |
| 00:00.26 | jelly-home | buu: try that channel if noone answers here |
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| 00:00.59 | buu | jelly-home: Ok.. |
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| 00:01.20 | dlumberg | SRMatt: checo out shoutcast |
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| 00:01.38 | dlumberg | if all you're trying to do is stream music across your network then it should work |
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| 00:01.56 | buu | jelly-home: I just need to get into the install screen = |
| 00:02.16 | dlumberg | or firefly media server |
| 00:02.54 | SRMatt | dlumberg, that's the problem, I don't just want to stream music. the point is that for example if I'm watching a video, I want to stream its sound too |
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| 00:03.25 | MrFrood | there are also some http based media servers in the repros |
| 00:03.46 | SRMatt | and I don't want to care what application I'm using to reproduce the video or music, I just want to stream any sound |
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| 00:04.17 | SRMatt | it would be great to add a fake soundcard just to capture everything and forward it :P |
| 00:04.26 | dlumberg | I'm sure you could get a really cheap soundcard off of ebay |
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| 00:05.10 | SRMatt | would it help? |
| 00:05.17 | dlumberg | dunno |
| 00:05.25 | dlumberg | read up on ALSA |
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| 00:06.08 | SRMatt | no, I mean, I don't need another soundcard, I just don't want to use this one but one in other device that is connected to internet but can't reproduce videos |
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| 00:06.51 | SRMatt | actually it can but it's slow... |
| 00:07.27 | SRMatt | does it make sense? :) |
| 00:08.02 | dlumberg | you're trying to stream video and audio from a headless server on your local network to another computer? |
| 00:09.06 | chelz | ah i was booting incorrectly. Advanced options -> Automated install -> TAB did it |
| 00:09.09 | SRMatt | no no, if just audio |
| 00:09.14 | SRMatt | err, just audio * |
| 00:09.21 | chelz | dang that's fancy |
| 00:09.36 | SRMatt | but not music, it can be the sound of a video on internet or whatever |
| 00:09.46 | SRMatt | not just music* |
| 00:10.42 | dlumberg | and there is no sound card in the source computer? |
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| 00:11.37 | SRMatt | well, yes, I guess I can add one but the point is to not use it |
| 00:12.14 | lneely | SRMatt, what is the difference between what you're trying to do and streaming? |
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| 00:13.18 | Fleetfox | Hello. I am trying to change video driver from radeon to vesa. |
| 00:13.24 | Fleetfox | [ 17.612] (EE) VESA: Kernel modesetting driver in use, refusing to load |
| 00:13.24 | Fleetfox | [ 17.612] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa |
| 00:13.24 | Fleetfox | [ 17.612] (EE) No devices detected. |
| 00:13.29 | SRMatt | I never configured a streaming server but I guess that they just stream audio from a particular application, am I wrong? what if now you want to stream anything from any application you use in the streaming server? lneely |
| 00:13.52 | dlumberg | it looks like pulse can do it |
| 00:13.56 | dlumberg | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 |
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| 00:14.34 | dlumberg | but you need pulse on both computers |
| 00:14.59 | SRMatt | then it won't work :| |
| 00:16.34 | dlumberg | all pulse does is add a layer on top of alsa |
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| 00:18.20 | SRMatt | I think it's the same if I find a video player with any plugin to stream just the audio, it would work the same way since I can reproduce both audio and video there |
| 00:18.56 | SRMatt | (there -> in any video player) |
| 00:19.18 | tic_ | Hi,I'm on a fresh Squezze install and sound don't work: I'm on audio group,don't work for root, and my device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio |
| 00:20.22 | MrFrood | !tell tic_ about alsactl |
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| 00:21.53 | buu | Anyone have any ideas how to get a powermac g5 to boot from a debian cd? |
| 00:22.31 | matias_ | I just found I can send the audio output of smplayer to any place I want, like jack or icecast2 :D |
| 00:23.25 | dlumberg | buu: http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ |
| 00:24.13 | buu | dlumberg: Thanks unfortuantely that doesn't address the issue |
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| 00:24.41 | dlumberg | looks like you need to get a bootloader |
| 00:25.01 | dlumberg | http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/quik/ |
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| 00:25.45 | ticc | Re,I rebooted after a "alsasct alsactl init |
| 00:26.09 | buu | dlumberg: Well, this appears to be a 'new world mac' |
| 00:26.11 | ticc | a "alsactl init" and sound don't work * |
| 00:26.35 | buu | dlumberg: Also I'm not trying to dual boot or anything like that |
| 00:27.12 | dlumberg | it's not that it needs to dual boot it's more that mac has to have stuff injected at boot |
| 00:27.15 | dlumberg | http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/pmac |
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| 00:38.16 | darwin | Is the current 6.01a DVD 1 usable? It seems the md5sum is right, but I am getting read errors verifying DVDs I make from the ISO |
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| 00:39.07 | Bushmills | read error indicates media defect |
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| 00:40.04 | darwin | but it did not happen with this pack of media when I made a Slackware DVD, and it happened twice already with Debian |
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| 00:40.48 | Bushmills | it still indicates media defect |
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| 00:41.25 | darwin | ok |
| 00:41.42 | sussudio | stop buying platinum dvd's. |
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| 00:42.52 | dlumberg | http://pastebin.com/M6QkLtRg any ideas why php or apache might be changing the /home/ dir into these weird strings ever since I upgraded from lenny to squeeze? |
| 00:43.12 | dlumberg | sorry to keep spamming this, I'm hoping to catch someone who can help me figure it out |
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| 00:49.21 | ws2k3 | hello guys i have a debian machine with vmware workstation in my vmware workstation i have a windows server i have installed a smb server wich i can acces from my own pc but not from the windows server my normale pc access the pc via the LAN wired network and the windows server is in vmware wich access the debian via vmnet1. |
| 00:49.39 | matias_ | it's almost done! do you know any video player with an icecast plugin available? smplayer doesn't have one :| |
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| 00:52.02 | etherclear | @ws2k3 so the win32 server is in a VM inside your debian box? you are attempting to connect to the virtual server from another pc? |
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| 00:52.34 | ws2k3 | i'm attemting to connect from the vm |
| 00:52.42 | ws2k3 | to debian. |
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| 00:55.22 | etherclear | if you have vmware tools installed you can simply drag and drop files to the host OS (debian) |
| 00:55.38 | ws2k3 | i know |
| 00:55.44 | ws2k3 | but i have a samba server installed on debian |
| 00:55.52 | ws2k3 | and i wanne make backups from windows server to debian. |
| 00:55.59 | ws2k3 | i can access the samba server from windows |
| 00:56.02 | ws2k3 | so thats fine |
| 00:56.26 | ws2k3 | i can ping 172.16.110.1 thats the vmnet1 ip and i can ping 10.0.0.106 the LAN ip of debian. |
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| 00:57.04 | etherclear | the smb server and the client (debian host) need to be on the same ip range to talk to one another |
| 00:57.39 | etherclear | the simplest thing to do would be to bridge your vmnet1 to your physical lan |
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| 00:59.44 | ws2k3 | i know |
| 00:59.53 | ws2k3 | but this server is going to in a data center so traith to wan |
| 00:59.58 | ws2k3 | and then its not so secure |
| 01:00.16 | ws2k3 | because i have one WAN ip. i cannt do bridged |
| 01:00.25 | ws2k3 | i cannt have 2 machines on the wan with the same ip |
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| 01:03.43 | etherclear | <ws2k3> backing up a vm to the same physical machine it resides on is a bad idea imho |
| 01:04.02 | etherclear | can you place a nat between you and the wan? |
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| 01:07.26 | enlightified | I wanted to use both libgtk2.20.1-2 and 2.24.4-3 on my system. can this be done using synaptic? |
| 01:07.34 | enlightified | or apt. |
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| 01:08.56 | enlightified | sorry, I actually want libgtk2.0-dev |
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| 01:13.46 | buu | Anyone have an idea why I'm getting a load-size=0 load-size too small error? |
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| 01:16.47 | Bushmills | buu: just a guess: 0 as load-size is too small |
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| 01:20.17 | buu | Anyone with a clue about power mac g5s and load-size issues? Are there other powerpc cd images hiding on the site? |
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| 01:27.49 | siloxid | hi peeps. I'm trying to mount a sd card from a gui-less install of debian6. dmesg doesn't tell me what device it was assigned to when plugged in. it's usually given /dev/sdb1 on other systems but not this one |
| 01:28.12 | siloxid | any ideas? |
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| 01:28.25 | mmnicolas | its not detected |
| 01:28.30 | ws2k3 | etherclear yeah |
| 01:28.54 | ws2k3 | but if i backup on the same machine thats i bad but then i have backups of my exchange mailstore in debian in mirror |
| 01:28.57 | ws2k3 | so its outside the vm. |
| 01:29.10 | ws2k3 | its alot easyer to recover when nessecery |
| 01:29.14 | imgx64 | When choosing the language in the installer, what's the difference between "C - No localization" and "English - English"? Does English install anything extra? |
| 01:29.38 | dvs | siloxid: ls /dev/sd* |
| 01:30.56 | etherclear | siloxid: you also should create a mountpoint for it using mkdir |
| 01:30.59 | siloxid | dvs: that doesn't list it |
| 01:31.15 | siloxid | etherclear: I have one, yes |
| 01:31.18 | johndo | is it only me or could it be that squeeze is one of the more unstable debian releases? |
| 01:31.44 | johndo | just had to power off yet another pc after upgrade to squeeze, completely frozen :( |
| 01:33.09 | siloxid | johndo: the unstable releases tend to be the more unstable releases to me |
| 01:33.27 | johndo | anybody else discovered a drop down in 3D performance (by a factor of 2 or 3) after upgrading to squeeze? |
| 01:33.30 | siloxid | johndo: haven't had any stability issues with squeeze :) |
| 01:33.37 | dvs | johndo: I haven't had any problems with any of my PCs |
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| 01:35.03 | etherclear | siloxid: what is listed in your fstab or mtab? |
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| 01:36.36 | siloxid | etherclear: they are the defaults. I don't need anything there to mount a sd card |
| 01:36.41 | etherclear | siloxid: err i should have asked first, is it even showing up via fdisk -l? |
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| 01:38.37 | siloxid | etherclear: no, it's not showing up there. wouldn't I need to mount it forst for it to show up there? :/ |
| 01:39.04 | johndo | siloxid: looks like the card reader is not detected |
| 01:39.36 | siloxid | if the card reader wasn't detected, it wouldn't show anything in dmesg when I plug the card in |
| 01:40.41 | johndo | siloxid: is it an internal or external reader? |
| 01:40.52 | siloxid | it's internal to this laptop |
| 01:41.01 | siloxid | looks at autofs |
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| 01:41.41 | johndo | with external readers the behaviour has changed for me with squeeze, but don't know about internal readers |
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| 01:45.52 | buu | Anyone have any experience with powerpc debian, specifically load-size too small issues? |
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| 01:46.26 | buu | It's refusing to boot off the powerpc iso I downloaded, is there more than one Is hould try? |
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| 01:48.15 | etherclear | siloxid: one other way to find it would be "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid" do you have anthing exotic going on that could be borking the systems ability to hotplug? |
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| 01:49.12 | siloxid | etherclear: nope, just running guiless |
| 01:50.02 | siloxid | etherclear: the items listed there are all my main hard disk, unfortunately |
| 01:50.15 | jerojasro | hi all. just installed debian unstable, and when starting X the screen simply hangs; doesn't respond to keyboard or mouse input; can't switch to any of the VTs. the only way to get the system back is villing the X server via ssh. I checked unstable (made a test installation of it) and video worked properly |
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| 01:51.28 | jerojasro | so my question is: what packages do I need to backport to get video working properly? this is an intel box (amd64) with intel video (i915 iirc) |
| 01:51.38 | etherclear | siloxid: hmmm , the chipset that handles your internal SD slot may not be working or may not be working w/ debian... |
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| 01:52.19 | siloxid | brb, going to reboot |
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| 01:54.45 | buu | SUCCESSSSS |
| 01:55.05 | dvs | another image? |
| 01:55.17 | buu | Chicken sacrifice |
| 01:55.23 | dvs | o_O |
| 01:55.24 | etherclear | good method |
| 01:55.33 | mohamez | hello guys |
| 01:55.44 | etherclear | howdy |
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| 01:57.34 | johndo | any idea what the reason can be when a /etc/ionit.d/file of a package with same version number is different on 2 different systems? |
| 01:57.42 | siloxid | ok, it doesn't work in gnome either. seems like it gets halfway through working and then fails before it can assign the card to a device |
| 01:58.00 | buu | Well, I got closer |
| 01:58.05 | siloxid | thanks though, I'll just use a different card reader |
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| 01:58.42 | darwin | does Debian have a way to upgrade from one version to another using a CD/DVD? |
| 01:58.53 | etherclear | siloxid: :) |
| 02:00.26 | etherclear | darwin: is your disk or iso listed in your apt sources? |
| 02:00.45 | johndo | darwin: should not be different than upgrading over network, just use a dvd with the new version |
| 02:00.47 | darwin | I am not using Debian right now |
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| 02:01.03 | johndo | though i never have done it, network is so much more commfortable :) |
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| 02:01.12 | darwin | I just did not see any instructions in the DVD's installation text for upgrading |
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| 02:01.52 | dvs | debootstrap |
| 02:01.52 | siloxid | darwin: you can if you add the cd/dvd to apt's sources.list |
| 02:02.07 | darwin | ok |
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| 02:02.54 | peterrooney | darwin: also, seen lenny->squeeze |
| 02:03.04 | peterrooney | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 02:03.04 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>. |
| 02:05.13 | dvs | darwin: If you're not using Debian, then you just have to boot from the DVD. |
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| 02:05.47 | etherclear | darwin: the easiest way yo upgrade between major release is to 'aptitude safe-upgrade' |
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| 02:06.55 | darwin | ok, I was just curious about upgrading in the future. I am going to install now |
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| 02:08.15 | dvs | etherclear: that wouldn't have worked between lenny and squeeze. |
| 02:08.44 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 02:08.46 | etherclear | dvs: after you update the sources it should work automagically |
| 02:09.15 | dvs | etherclear: no, not from lenny to squeeze. |
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| 02:13.21 | etherclear | dvs: hmmm i havn't done a true 'upgrade' between releases in some time. I am/was assuming you could apt upgrade tasksel style... |
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| 02:15.05 | dvs | etherclear: Unless you taking packages from backports, it would have failed with squeeze. |
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| 02:15.32 | linuxman410 | has anyone tried debian 6 on a asus eee pc 900 |
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| 02:16.12 | etherclear | dvs: thank you for the correction. :) |
| 02:16.25 | dvs | np |
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| 02:17.37 | kedarm | Embarrassed to ask this n00b question, but is there a command to see if a particular file/folder of some installed Debian package? |
| 02:18.01 | kedarm | sorry, ... if a particular file/folder is part of some ... |
| 02:18.01 | johndo | kedarm: dpkg -S |
| 02:19.49 | linuxman410 | has anyone tried debian 6 on a asus eee pc 900 |
| 02:20.07 | dvs | !ask |
| 02:20.07 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 02:20.11 | kedarm | johndo: thanks! |
| 02:20.47 | rgr | I have removed a volume from an lvm group using lvremove. But when I reboot its still trying to access the lv I rmeoved (dev/mapper/debian-tmp) - how can I tell kvm to forget about this (corrupt) tmp lv? |
| 02:20.58 | rgr | s/kvm/lvm |
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| 02:22.34 | rgr | update-initramfs I bet |
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| 02:25.07 | etherclear | linuxman410: debian6 should work with no problem, try a live cd to be sure. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Model/900 |
| 02:25.37 | rgr | nope. gah |
| 02:26.46 | buu | Ok what the hell. The installer gets to the point where it's "detecting cd drives" then the computer powers off |
| 02:27.04 | dvs | apple safeguard? |
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| 02:27.55 | buu | dvs: Really? |
| 02:27.56 | etherclear | its hanging while sending your location data back to Apple HQ ;) |
| 02:28.03 | buu | =[ |
| 02:28.07 | buu | I'm sure the swat team is enroute |
| 02:28.29 | dvs | buu: jk |
| 02:29.17 | buu | The computer seems to perform fine in regular operation.. |
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| 02:34.02 | buu | !debtakeover |
| 02:34.02 | dpkg | [debtakeover] Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/ . You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 02:34.12 | buu | mmm |
| 02:35.03 | buhman | bit bin :P |
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| 02:36.05 | buhman | somewhere between a dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy network-manager ended up getting removed, and now I'm told by nm-applet (after re-installing it) that network-manager is no longer managing eth0 |
| 02:36.54 | buhman | ifupdown seems to be doing a decent job of making everything work properly, but i think I want to give control back to nm-applet; how would I go about doing that? |
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| 02:38.57 | dlumberg | any ideas why php/apache are trying to open random dirs http://pastebin.com/M6QkLtRg getting the black diamonds in a web browser. |
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| 02:42.17 | dlumberg | it should be getting the files from /home/www/htdocs |
| 02:43.01 | wolfric | in debian squeeze, slapd doesn't prompt you for your domain or organisation name etc. The wiki suggests otherwise. Can this be fixed? It took me a while to figure it had created a root dn as "noname" |
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| 02:54.34 | Datz | hi, /etc/resolv.conf keeps defaulting to the nameserver to 192.168.2.1 which isn't working. Is there a way I can have it set to something else> |
| 02:55.20 | dvs | stop using dhcp? |
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| 02:56.34 | Datz | humm.. I guess maybe the best thing to do would be to try and find out why 192.168.2.1 isn't working as a nameserver |
| 02:56.47 | Datz | because I sure like my DHCP |
| 02:56.48 | MrFrood | Datz: yes there is |
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| 02:58.24 | MrFrood | man dhclient.conf |
| 02:58.43 | rgr | never ever ever grow a lvm volume live no matter what people tell you. Thats twice now my system has been hosed. |
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| 03:00.05 | dvs | rgr: I thought that was one of the main advantages of LVM |
| 03:00.14 | stew | its actually what I'm doing right now |
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| 03:00.23 | dvs | uh oh! |
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| 03:00.53 | buhman | how can I allow networkmanager to manage a network device if it, for whatever reason, is not managed by default. |
| 03:01.14 | stew | its actually something I do all the time |
| 03:01.36 | dvs | UH OH! |
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| 03:05.47 | jmarsden | Datz: supersede domain-name-servers 1.2.3.4; # in your dhclient.conf file is probably what you are looking for. (Replace 1.2.3.4 with whatever IP address you want to use for your nameserver). |
| 03:06.55 | Datz | jmarsden: excellent. That's exactly what I'd be looking for. thanks |
| 03:07.11 | jmarsden | Datz: You're welcome. |
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| 03:10.26 | aspect | on a related note, does anyone know if networkmanager can be set up to use a different dhcp client? I'm much more a dan of udhcpc |
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| 03:11.07 | s4a | Why is the gcc and gcj documentation in non-free? |
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| 03:17.26 | buu | I finally got the damn thing to boot the installer, it gives through part of the install then the computer randomly shuts off |
| 03:19.10 | jmarsden | s4a: Debian considers the licence that documentation is released under to be non-free. |
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| 03:20.11 | s4a | jmarsden, lol that was a straightforward answer but i guess my question was straightforward |
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| 03:21.19 | jmarsden | s4a: I think it is under the GNU GFDL with some 'invariant sections' which means you are not allowed to edit or omit those sections... so Debian thinks that means you do not have the freedom to edit the docs... does that help? |
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| 03:21.48 | stew | s4a: it is licensed under the GFDL and has invariant sections. since these invariant sections exist solely to limit your freedom to distribute modified copies of the software, the software is non-free |
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| 03:25.26 | buu | I get the "detecting network hardware" screen, the bar gets to the end and it powers off |
| 03:25.33 | buu | Just instantly shutsdown |
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| 03:32.07 | Datz | jmarsden: I see a line #supersede domain-name "fugue.com home.vix.com"; <-- In dhclient.conf would I add a nameserver address like 8.8.8.9 there? |
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| 03:33.32 | MrFrood | Datz: read man dhclient.conf |
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| 03:36.42 | Datz | MrFrood: ok |
| 03:37.20 | MrFrood | the file is also quite well commented |
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| 03:38.25 | Datz | I see that, I'm just trying to figure it out. :) |
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| 03:39.14 | wols_ | buu: is it a debian specific problem or do other installers for linux work? |
| 03:39.23 | drgr33n | Hey guys. Does anyone know of a good guide on how to turn my current system into a live os ? |
| 03:39.37 | drgr33n | I've seen remastersys but want to use sid |
| 03:40.10 | wols_ | drgr33n: /msg dpkg debian live |
| 03:40.14 | MrFrood | Datz: prepend domain-name-servers 8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4; |
| 03:40.33 | MrFrood | Datz: is in my dhclient.conf |
| 03:40.37 | Datz | ah, I was thinking that may have been it ;) |
| 03:40.40 | Datz | thanks |
| 03:40.55 | Datz | I guess the domain given in the example would be a nameserver |
| 03:40.59 | Datz | which wasn't clear to me |
| 03:41.33 | MrFrood | the ones in mine are googles dns servers |
| 03:41.43 | phunguy | for archiving purposes, whats the best fs to use? |
| 03:42.03 | phunguy | right now i have an old 1.5tb with ext3 on it, but i just picked up two new wd 2tb's |
| 03:42.12 | Datz | MrFrood: right. I think I'll use those too :) |
| 03:42.59 | MrFrood | thinks 9.5 inch tapes should be used for archiving |
| 03:44.28 | drgr33n | wols: do you mean ask in those channels ? |
| 03:44.55 | Datz | MrFrood: does anything need restarting? |
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| 03:45.14 | MrFrood | Datz: dhcp client |
| 03:45.31 | Datz | ah, I should have guessed |
| 03:45.47 | wols_ | drgr33n: not really. just that this is the only way (I know of) to create a debian live cd |
| 03:45.56 | MrFrood | drgr33n: #debian-next on oftc for sid |
| 03:46.49 | MrFrood | !unstable |
| 03:46.49 | dpkg | Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Only on-topic in #debian-next on irc.debian.org. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 03:47.27 | nevyn | when did this re-organisation of #debian happen? |
| 03:47.32 | nevyn | and where is it documented? |
| 03:48.55 | Datz | MrFrood: I'm looking in /etc/init.d/ but I can't find what I'm supposed to restart. eg no dhcpd or something |
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| 03:49.15 | MrFrood | sid was not offically been supported in #debian even before thr creation #debian-next |
| 03:50.06 | MrFrood | Datz: it's been a while since I did it so I'm afraid I canbe of no help :-/ |
| 03:50.42 | wols_ | Datz: /etc/init.d/networking if you use /etc/network/interfaces. something else, depending on the network manager used if you use such software |
| 03:51.03 | buu | wols_: I haven't tried a different installer yet, any suggestions? |
| 03:51.26 | wols_ | buu: any other linux distro with any other kernel will do. heck, even an older debian distro should |
| 03:51.41 | Datz | ah that makes sense. I guess I could probably have just restarted, but that would be to easy |
| 03:51.42 | buu | Well, I guess I'll try tommorrow |
| 03:51.43 | nevyn | MrFrood: right it was always offtopic but #debian #debian-offtopic #debian-next #debian-devel plus locales |
| 03:51.44 | Datz | :P |
| 03:51.49 | Datz | thanks guys |
| 03:51.52 | nevyn | where does the insanity end ;) |
| 03:51.53 | buu | wols_: It's pretty obnoxious, I've tried like 4 different cds |
| 03:52.04 | Datz | will bbiaf then |
| 03:52.06 | wols_ | nevyn: in #d, it never ends. you should know that |
| 03:52.22 | wols_ | buu: 4 different debian squeeze cds? |
| 03:52.30 | buu | wols_: Yes |
| 03:52.40 | wols_ | and what is that supposed to prove? |
| 03:52.50 | buu | That it wasn't the cd? |
| 03:53.00 | pcfreak30 | Hello. I have compiled pure-ftpd-mysql using deb build tools. I needed to to get it to support openvz virtualization. I can access the server, but it says my pass is invalid for the root shell account, even though it is correct...Any ideas? |
| 03:53.03 | wols_ | I clearly said to try _another_ distro/kernel |
| 03:53.04 | buu | It was more a general observeration |
| 03:53.27 | buu | wols_: What I said was not related to what you said |
| 03:54.52 | nevyn | pcfreak30: pureftpd I think disallows root by default |
| 03:55.09 | nevyn | pcfreak30: it's not uncommon for ftpd's today to stop you shooting yourself in the foot. |
| 03:55.25 | stew | pcfreak30: do you really want your root password going over the network unencrypted? |
| 03:55.28 | pcfreak30 | well I was just testing the external access |
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| 03:55.49 | pcfreak30 | Sometines i forget root as a security issue |
| 03:55.51 | nevyn | pcfreak30: that doesn't make it ok. |
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| 03:55.55 | DJ-VISAGE | hi |
| 03:56.11 | DJ-VISAGE | how can I set static IP on debian? |
| 03:56.21 | stew | DJ-VISAGE: man interfaces |
| 03:56.43 | Datz | MrFrood: humm, things are not working. |
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| 03:57.15 | Datz | looks at dhclient.conf |
| 03:57.17 | Datz | again |
| 03:57.23 | DJ-VISAGE | stew how? |
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| 03:58.00 | MrFrood | Datz: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf ? |
| 03:58.27 | Datz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.31 | Datz | 6.0 |
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| 03:58.48 | Datz | is that the problem? |
| 03:58.50 | DJ-VISAGE | isn't this? |
| 03:58.50 | MrFrood | try /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 03:58.50 | DJ-VISAGE | vi /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 03:58.52 | Datz | ah |
| 03:59.09 | Datz | I'll try that MrFrood |
| 03:59.20 | Datz | DJ-VISAGE: I think this is for another application |
| 03:59.24 | nevyn | wols_: the madness ends at http://wiki.debian.org/IRC |
| 04:00.14 | DJ-VISAGE | To setup static IP in Debian? |
| 04:00.32 | stew | DJ-VISAGE: if you type "man interfaces" it should give you the manual for the /etc/network/interfaces file which you'd need to edit |
| 04:00.33 | wols_ | no, datz has other problems. the answer with interfaces for you was the right one |
| 04:00.47 | DJ-VISAGE | ok 10x |
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| 04:00.59 | stew | no, just once |
| 04:01.42 | Datz | MrFrood: humm, looks like I don't have a dhclient.conf in /etc/dhcp3/ |
| 04:01.49 | Datz | recursively |
| 04:01.53 | Datz | fom that dir |
| 04:02.10 | MrFrood | strange |
| 04:02.20 | Datz | well I was using 8.8.8.9 as the first nameserver, let me try 8.8.8.8 as you had |
| 04:02.29 | MrFrood | which version of debian are you using? |
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| 04:03.10 | stew | Datz: what does "dpkg -S /sbin/dhclient" return |
| 04:03.19 | MrFrood | (it's been /etc/dhcp3/ since lenny) |
| 04:03.37 | stew | but its been replaced with /etc/dchcp since lenny |
| 04:03.40 | Datz | checks |
| 04:03.43 | stew | /etc/dhcp* |
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| 04:04.24 | Datz | stew: it returns isc-dhcp-client: /sbin/dhclient |
| 04:04.33 | Datz | but I'll try the updated |
| 04:04.35 | stew | Datz: "dpkg -s isc-dhcp-client" should confirm that /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf is a conffile for that package |
| 04:04.59 | MrFrood | stew: he has already edited /etc/dhcp* |
| 04:05.28 | stew | MrFrood: ok, i'm just saying that "Datz> MrFrood: humm, looks like I don't have a dhclient.conf in /etc/dhcp3/" is not unexpected |
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| 04:06.04 | Datz | Ido have /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |
| 04:06.49 | stew | Datz: yes, that is the conffile you would want to edit, not /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 04:07.07 | Datz | ok, well I did that |
| 04:07.11 | Datz | no workie |
| 04:07.41 | MrFrood | prepend domain-name-servers 8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4; |
| 04:07.58 | MrFrood | the semi-colon is importent |
| 04:08.10 | Datz | yea, I think I had everything like that |
| 04:08.39 | Datz | should /etc/reslov.conf's nameserver show one of the nameservers I listed in dhclient.conf? |
| 04:08.44 | MrFrood | a lot of the time the semi-colon is forgot and things not work |
| 04:09.03 | MrFrood | Datz: yes |
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| 04:14.05 | MrFrood | Datz: http://pastebin.com/V6ftBr1p |
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| 04:20.07 | darwin | I installed Debian, but then I had problems. One was a repeating message 'message from syslogd@cosmos <time> kernel: [<number>] K8 ECC error [<number>] Northbridge error, node 1 [<number>] EDAC amd64 MCI: CE ERROR_ADDRESS <number> |
| 04:21.22 | Bulldog | debian 6 wont see my usb stick when its inserted into the port |
| 04:23.18 | ectospasm | darwin: looks like a hardware error to me. Is it fatal? |
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| 04:24.22 | darwin | no |
| 04:24.50 | darwin | but it repeats about every second and beeps every time, and repeats in any terminal I open, not letting me really use it |
| 04:25.32 | Datz | eh.. so nothing works.. I guess I'll wait until tomorrow unless anyone has other suggestions |
| 04:27.42 | darwin | I had to re-install Slackware, and in it, the error is only appearing a few times and then saying it is corrected |
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| 04:39.47 | Datz | thanks MrFrood. Bookmarked |
| 04:40.01 | Datz | I've had enough for tonight |
| 04:40.04 | darwin | My other problems were that it did not give me a choice between Gnome and KDE, and the package manager in Gnome did not work |
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| 04:47.01 | wols_ | darwin: your RAM is faulty |
| 04:48.16 | pcfreak30 | Hello.I have pure-ftpd-mysql set up. I have been told it prevents root from logging in, so I created a under-privileged user acccount, and I still get a invalid password. Is it ONLY using mysql as I have pam and unix enabled too. |
| 04:50.23 | darwin | ok |
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| 04:55.50 | sweb | is debian support propery softwares ? such as MP3 and Nvidia graphis ? |
| 04:56.17 | ryan-c | sweb: there is the non-free repository |
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| 04:57.08 | sweb | ryan-c, so is supported but in non-free. such as ubuntu |
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| 04:57.51 | Vasistha | I hooked up a new monitor, restarted X, and the monitor is politely giving the message, "cannot display this video mode". Using lenny. monitor is 1280x1024, ideal 60Hz |
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| 04:58.32 | ryan-c | sweb: some packages are, some are not. You can search here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 04:58.38 | somiaj | sweb: I run nvidia drivers and listen to mp3's all with debian pacakges, and yes they are part of non-free. |
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| 04:59.14 | sweb | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:00.18 | ryan-c | sweb: What info? |
| 05:00.43 | somiaj | sweb: you will find debian stable out of date compared to ubuntu (if you like bleeding edge), You can run sid, but then you run into problems like me with updates (been learning all the new stuff all day) |
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| 05:01.32 | somiaj | sweb: but if you don't mind a bit outdated software (most of it is just fine, just not bleeding edge versions of some stuff), debian's stability and package manager work really well if you stick to stable. |
| 05:02.01 | ryan-c | and there's backports if you need some specific things that are more up to date |
| 05:02.55 | Vasistha | how can I find out what video mode X is sending to the monitor? |
| 05:03.01 | pcfreak30 | I must be a complete noob but I have ran pure ftpd mysql without only the unix option? Why cant I login as a under-privileged user? I get invalid password, but it IS correct... |
| 05:03.27 | Ryushin | Is it just me or is the debian apt-get system broken right now? I've tried ftp.debian.org, ftp.us.debian.org, and mirrors.kernel.org. This is with the testing branch. |
| 05:03.54 | Ryushin | I'm getting a Hash Sum mismatch error. |
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| 05:05.19 | sweb | ryan-c, some info about supporting hardwares. some property softwares and codes and etc |
| 05:05.48 | sweb | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:06.01 | ryan-c | sweb: please be specific. what hardware? |
| 05:06.32 | sweb | Nvidia graphics, broadcam wirless card, ssd hard drives, dvb cards |
| 05:06.53 | acx0 | instead of download updates for both of my machines (debian testing), can I just update one and copy the files in /var/cache/apt/archives over to the other so it uses whatever's already available locally? |
| 05:06.55 | streuner | Ryushin: please show the whole error in a pastebin |
| 05:06.57 | pcfreak30 | And I read the pure-ftpd faq and my /etc/shells is fine |
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| 05:08.17 | Ryushin | http://pastebin.com/JFRH2VrA |
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| 05:09.47 | streuner | Ryushin: ftp.us.d.o is a roundrobin... |
| 05:10.05 | streuner | just try some other mirror |
| 05:10.07 | dlumberg | any ideas why php/apache are trying to open random dirs http://pastebin.com/M6QkLtRg getting the black diamonds in a web browser. |
| 05:10.33 | Ryushin | streuner: Tried ftp.debian.org, mirrors.kernel.org. |
| 05:10.36 | Ryushin | I'll try a few more. |
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| 05:11.56 | Vasistha | hmm, I did a diff and Xorg.0.log looks exactly the same regardless of which video mode actually gets chosen |
| 05:12.29 | Vasistha | so how do I figure out what mode has been chosen when it is not working? |
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| 05:14.56 | Ryushin | Looks like stable is fine, but testing and unstable have hash problems on a bunch of mirrors. |
| 05:15.02 | Ryushin | I have not found a working one yet. |
| 05:15.19 | streuner | unstable just run fine |
| 05:15.21 | streuner | here |
| 05:15.37 | streuner | and thats ftp.de.d.o |
| 05:16.21 | Vasistha | hmm maybe my video card doesn't support 1280x1024 or something. How can I figure out what video card is inside this box without taking it apart? |
| 05:16.52 | streuner | Vasistha: lspci -v | grep -i vga |
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| 05:18.22 | Vasistha | streuner: thanks... 3Dfx Interactive Voodoo Banshee... maybe that's a builtin or something |
| 05:18.34 | Ryushin | streuner: Odd. Unstable worked fine on my laptop. I just bootstrapped a new server with debian stable. I was going to upgrade it to testing when these problems started. This is very odd. |
| 05:19.40 | streuner | dpkg, voodoo |
| 05:19.40 | dpkg | from memory, voodoo is black magic, stay away from it. Also a GPU chipset family, ask me about <3dfx>. |
| 05:19.48 | streuner | dpkg, 3dfx |
| 05:19.48 | dpkg | 3dfx Interactive was a graphic processing unit manufacturer, who produced the Voodoo Graphics series. Video devices are supported in Xorg by the voodoo (Voodoo1/2) and tdfx (Voodoo Banshee, Voodoo3/4/5) drivers. The /dev/3dfx device (required for glide support in X <= 3.3.6) is no longer necessary. See also <glide>. |
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| 05:20.42 | sweb | i386 + PAE is more better or amd64 for Core2Duo and 4GB ram ? |
| 05:20.46 | Vasistha | "was" ... maybe they're no longer around |
| 05:20.47 | streuner | dpkg, factinfo 3dfx |
| 05:20.48 | dpkg | 3dfx -- created by jor <jor@kabel064015.kabel.utwente.nl> at Mon Nov 27 19:16:34 2000 (3813 days); last modified at Tue Mar 1 07:01:17 2011 by gsimmons!~gsimmons@chmmr.gsimmons.org; it has been requested 54 times, last by streuner, 59s ago. |
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| 05:21.44 | rww | Vasistha: 3dfx died in 2002 |
| 05:21.55 | Vasistha | from wikipedia: "It was a pioneer in the field for several years in the late 1990s until 2000 when it underwent one of the most high-profile demises in the history of the PC industry. ... on the verge of bankruptcy, many of its intellectual assets ... were acquired by ... Nvidia" |
| 05:22.04 | ssfdre38 | where is the root termeral on the KDE side of Debian |
| 05:22.04 | Vasistha | I guess that makes this card pretty old. |
| 05:22.34 | Vasistha | ssfdre38: I usually use a regular konsole and then do an su -c screen |
| 05:22.48 | machrider | having a problem installing from netinst (squeeze 6.0.1a) onto a citrix xenserver.. boot from ISO hangs for 240 seconds, then kernel panics. anyone seen this? |
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| 05:24.22 | Vasistha | well this sucks. xrandr won't even switch the video mode to 1280x1024. damn. |
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| 05:26.02 | ssfdre38 | where is the sudoers file at? |
| 05:26.17 | streuner | you mean config? |
| 05:26.17 | machrider | it's /etc/sudoers |
| 05:26.28 | streuner | configs usually live in /etc |
| 05:26.45 | streuner | s/live/life/ |
| 05:26.52 | kgoetz | streuner: 'live' is correct |
| 05:26.57 | streuner | ok |
| 05:27.06 | dutchfish | ssfdre38, alt-F2, 'kdesu konsole' |
| 05:27.07 | kgoetz | streuner: and on an fhs complient system, all system wide configs will be in /etc |
| 05:27.32 | ssfdre38 | well i need the root konsole |
| 05:27.37 | machrider | how can i edit the boot line in the install CD? |
| 05:27.43 | machrider | i'm at the install/graphical install menu |
| 05:28.23 | dutchfish | ssfdre38, alt-F2, 'kdesu konsole' | this gives root console (after giving roots password) |
| 05:28.24 | kgoetz | ssfdre38: use visudo to edit the file, dont do it manually |
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| 05:37.19 | somiaj | so I'm trying to figure out why apt-get and aptitude want to upgrade fvwm from version 2.6.1 to version 2.5.30 -- 2.6.1 is a custom package, but shoudln't it not want to upgrade since 2.6.1 > 2.5.30 |
| 05:38.16 | Vasistha | well it looks like the card supports 1920x1440 so I guess that's not the limitation. unless there's an issue with the linux driver... but that doesn't make much sense |
| 05:38.36 | Vasistha | I dunno. damn. I'm not really getting any help here. I guess I'd better come back in the daytime. |
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| 05:38.43 | streuner | judd, versions fvwm |
| 05:38.44 | judd | Package fvwm on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.5.26-1; sid: 1:2.5.30.ds-1; squeeze: 1:2.5.30.ds-1; wheezy: 1:2.5.30.ds-1 |
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| 05:41.16 | amstan | hello, i'm using debootstrap for an automated script to setup a sandbox |
| 05:41.45 | amstan | i was wondering if there's a way to make it use the existing packages in /var/cache/apt/archives from the host instead of downloading them again |
| 05:41.54 | amstan | would be nice to save time and bandwidth |
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| 05:46.01 | DJ-VISAGE | My network doesn't start when static IP is set |
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| 05:46.10 | DJ-VISAGE | Any suggestions? |
| 05:47.45 | streuner | !doesnt work |
| 05:47.46 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 05:55.07 | machrider | seriously, is it impossible to edit the boot parameters in the debian installer? |
| 05:56.36 | nsadmin | DJ-VISAGE how exactly do you know your network is not started? how do you try to start it? |
| 05:56.55 | DJ-VISAGE | setup my static ip |
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| 05:57.06 | wols_ | DJ-VISAGE: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:57.19 | DJ-VISAGE | yep |
| 05:58.10 | nsadmin | DJ-VISAGE how exactly do you know your network is not started? |
| 05:58.43 | DJ-VISAGE | from my laptop there's no direct connection on the lan card |
| 05:58.46 | streuner | DJ-VISAGE: what kind of machine is this, what kind of environment? |
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| 05:59.34 | DJ-VISAGE | HP slimline |
| 05:59.38 | nsadmin | sees lack of response, interprets lack of cooperation but takes a breath |
| 05:59.38 | DJ-VISAGE | debian |
| 06:00.31 | streuner | DJ-VISAGE: did you disable DHCP on the router? |
| 06:00.39 | DJ-VISAGE | no router |
| 06:00.59 | DJ-VISAGE | connected to another server |
| 06:02.05 | orzo | via a hub? |
| 06:02.08 | nsadmin | how does "another server" (which is exactly what?) get net? |
| 06:03.46 | DJ-VISAGE | CAT5 |
| 06:03.53 | DJ-VISAGE | yes nsadmin |
| 06:04.17 | wols_ | nsadmin: aren't you enlightened now? |
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| 06:04.56 | orzo | DJ-VISAGE: a crossover cable? |
| 06:05.01 | DJ-VISAGE | yes |
| 06:05.32 | nsadmin | if you want more help, I want a diagram |
| 06:06.22 | orzo | does ifconfig show the interface up on both ends? |
| 06:06.29 | orzo | with ip and netmask? |
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| 06:07.52 | DJ-VISAGE | no |
| 06:07.59 | DJ-VISAGE | it doesn't |
| 06:08.15 | nsadmin | that's your first problem then |
| 06:08.22 | wols_ | then again: paste your interfaces file |
| 06:08.43 | wols_ | ideally the eth stanzas for both ends |
| 06:08.48 | nsadmin | what is the os on the machine you connect to |
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| 06:09.33 | DJ-VISAGE | auto lo |
| 06:09.33 | DJ-VISAGE | iface lo inet loopback |
| 06:09.42 | wols_ | not in here |
| 06:09.44 | DJ-VISAGE | auto eth0 |
| 06:09.44 | DJ-VISAGE | iface eth0 inet static |
| 06:09.52 | DJ-VISAGE | k |
| 06:09.58 | wols_ | !paste |
| 06:09.58 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 06:10.56 | nsadmin | what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 06:11.23 | nsadmin | and "get net up" is -not- detailed or informative enough |
| 06:11.34 | DJ-VISAGE | sorry about that |
| 06:11.34 | DJ-VISAGE | paste.debian.net/116339 |
| 06:12.16 | nsadmin | how exactly do you try to start the net? |
| 06:12.20 | streuner | hm, gateway 192.168.1.1, so there is a router :-) |
| 06:12.24 | DJ-VISAGE | i am trying to connect my new machine to another machine where to get the internet from |
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| 06:12.35 | DJ-VISAGE | no router |
| 06:12.41 | orzo | why is that 1.1 |
| 06:12.46 | nsadmin | ok, so that machine has to act like a router |
| 06:12.47 | streuner | what is 192.168.1.1 then? |
| 06:12.55 | DJ-VISAGE | it is set to the other machine alsio |
| 06:12.57 | DJ-VISAGE | *also |
| 06:13.02 | DJ-VISAGE | yes |
| 06:13.05 | DJ-VISAGE | nsadmin |
| 06:13.11 | orzo | ther other link needs to be an 192.168.1.* address |
| 06:13.28 | orzo | er |
| 06:13.37 | orzo | 192.168.8.* |
| 06:13.41 | orzo | to match your netmask |
| 06:13.46 | nsadmin | streuner, thats just his interfaces file... who knows what the other machine is doing |
| 06:14.01 | wols_ | DJ-VISAGE: bot, your debian client and your server need to be in the same subnet. and from what you say, your server needs to act as the router for your debian client in which case the gateway isn't wrong |
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| 06:14.34 | wols_ | DJ-VISAGE: so what is the IP of the server you want to connect to? the server has 2 network interfaces at least, the one I'm asking about is the one facing the debian client |
| 06:14.47 | DJ-VISAGE | gateways and netmasks match |
| 06:14.58 | nsadmin | what do they match? |
| 06:15.06 | DJ-VISAGE | the serv ip is 192.168.8.9 |
| 06:15.10 | orzo | gateways are irrelevent, first, get netmasks and ips on teh same subnet |
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| 06:15.17 | orzo | then get pings between the link ends |
| 06:15.20 | DJ-VISAGE | nsadmin they are the same |
| 06:15.38 | orzo | can 8.9 and 8.8 ping each other? |
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| 06:16.01 | ectospasm | is there a simple program to read keepassx database files from the command line? |
| 06:16.13 | nsadmin | the interfaces aren't up according to DJ |
| 06:16.21 | orzo | well bring 'm up |
| 06:16.26 | orzo | ifup eth0 |
| 06:16.55 | nsadmin | what OS is this "server" running? |
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| 06:17.58 | DJ-VISAGE | no ping |
| 06:18.07 | DJ-VISAGE | ifup returns failed.... |
| 06:18.44 | orzo | remove the gateway lines |
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| 06:19.09 | DJ-VISAGE | removed |
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| 06:20.35 | orzo | now ifup |
| 06:20.46 | orzo | and ping |
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| 07:44.11 | tensorpudding | i don't |
| 07:44.25 | wols_ | then you miss out. great debugging tool |
| 07:44.46 | orzo | tensor uses netcat |
| 07:45.07 | tensorpudding | i used netcat a few times |
| 07:45.14 | buu | valdyn: Sorry, is there a good way to use nc to test if samba is responding? I'm not particularly familiar with the protocol |
| 07:45.23 | tensorpudding | and what i used it for i don't think telnet can do |
| 07:45.24 | wols_ | is there even a port of it for windows? up to now, harder to come by than telnet. telnet is/was everywhere |
| 07:45.46 | tensorpudding | the last time i used telnet was for playing nethack |
| 07:45.57 | orzo | cygwin netcat |
| 07:45.58 | valdyn | buu: "nc host port" |
| 07:45.59 | wols_ | buu: smbclient from another linux box in the network. you said that other linux box worked fine. try from there |
| 07:46.07 | orzo | probably a mingw netcat too |
| 07:46.17 | valdyn | buu: if you get : Connection refused, that would mean something else than if nc gets stuck |
| 07:46.55 | buu | valdyn: nc just hangs out for a while then apparently times out |
| 07:47.07 | buu | Of course it does that for every port I ttry |
| 07:47.22 | buu | wols_: That would be too easy.. that linux box isn't working! |
| 07:47.27 | valdyn | buu: then its broken, or your network is broken |
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| 07:48.11 | tensorpudding | what do people use telnet for nowadays? |
| 07:48.17 | xyzp | Is there any #xandros channel anywhere? |
| 07:48.18 | nsadmin | testing |
| 07:48.21 | valdyn | buu: what about iptables --list on that smb server? |
| 07:48.31 | buu | valdyn: Well, I can nc google 80 and get a page, so.. something isn't broken |
| 07:48.37 | tensorpudding | i use netcat for that |
| 07:48.38 | valdyn | buu: yea |
| 07:48.45 | nsadmin | tensorpudding: telnet <website> 80 |
| 07:49.17 | MrFrood | telnet <gophersite> 70 :P |
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| 07:49.20 | valdyn | buu: unfortunately firewalls can drop or deny, only deny is debugging friendly |
| 07:49.27 | buu | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/QnRhZ3Uh |
| 07:49.41 | xyzp | feeling hungry |
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| 07:50.03 | tensorpudding | the only time i found i needed to test a running internet service by port, telnet wouldn't have helped |
| 07:50.28 | nsadmin | maybe there's no use then... |
| 07:50.48 | nsadmin | I don't see any use across the net with authentication |
| 07:51.32 | valdyn | buu: wheres that stuff from? it looks useless? |
| 07:51.57 | MrFrood | telneting port 79 can be fun |
| 07:52.13 | nsadmin | what's 79? |
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| 07:52.35 | buu | valdyn: It's from iptables --list |
| 07:52.39 | buu | The entirety |
| 07:52.44 | valdyn | buu: yea, sure, but its not default |
| 07:52.53 | nsadmin | oh fingerd |
| 07:52.55 | valdyn | buu: someone added it, and the whole stuff is useless |
| 07:52.57 | wols_ | valdyn: ipmasq maybe? |
| 07:52.57 | MrFrood | 79 = finger |
| 07:53.45 | valdyn | wols_: i doubt it |
| 07:54.25 | wols_ | from the looks of it, it allows any client side communication but blocks all incoming except ssh |
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| 07:55.13 | valdyn | wols_: thees an ACCEPT all before that |
| 07:55.32 | valdyn | buu: i would do an iptables --flush |
| 07:55.50 | buu | valdyn: Found it, thanks. |
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| 08:33.42 | ectospasm | hmmm, I'm trying to pair my bluetooth mouse (MS Bluetooth Notebook Mouse 5000) in my new Debian install. bluetooth-applet can see the mouse OK, but pairing always fails with no further messages apparent. |
| 08:33.59 | ectospasm | It worked OK in Ubuntu on the same machine, so I don't think it's the hardware. |
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| 09:01.39 | ectospasm | hmmm, I'm trying to pair my bluetooth mouse (MS Bluetooth Notebook Mouse 5000) in my new Debian install. bluetooth-applet can see the mouse OK, but pairing always fails with no further messages apparent. |
| 09:01.45 | ectospasm | It worked OK in Ubuntu on the same machine, so I don't think it's the hardware. |
| 09:02.12 | ectospasm | it just seems to time out |
| 09:02.54 | rypervenche | I just logged into my Debian 6.0.1 system and my sound is not working. alsamixer shows that it's working and it works on my Windows partition. Any ideas? |
| 09:06.51 | cahoot | rypervenche: cat /proc/asound/cards - one or more? |
| 09:07.20 | wols_ | ectospasm: start the applet from a terminal. maybe it outputs something to stderr? check your ~/.xsession-errors |
| 09:07.42 | rypervenche | cahoot: Yes, my hda-intel is there, along with my nvidia's which I never use (HD) |
| 09:07.52 | cahoot | which is card0? |
| 09:08.10 | rypervenche | cahoot: hda-intel as usual |
| 09:08.29 | cahoot | try /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 09:09.29 | rypervenche | cahoot: Still nothing. I tried restarting a few times and nothing changed. the only thing I did in between was change my password and log into my Windows partition. |
| 09:09.45 | ectospasm | wols_: nope, bluetooth-applet doesn't report anything that seems related to the pairing effort. Nothing when I start pairing, nothing when it fails... |
| 09:09.55 | cahoot | what does speaker-test -t wav -c2 give? |
| 09:09.57 | rgr | waits for someone to claim Windows broke it... ;) |
| 09:10.41 | rypervenche | cahoot: Is it supposed to stop? |
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| 09:10.45 | rgr | rypervenche: did you toggle mute in your alsa-mixer? |
| 09:10.48 | cahoot | ctrl-c |
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| 09:11.26 | cahoot | rgr: that's what alsa-utils reset does |
| 09:11.36 | rypervenche | cahoot: http://pastebin.com/HK6iPEPY |
| 09:12.00 | rgr | or what you hope it does. I always had to use the mixer ui to unmute |
| 09:12.00 | cahoot | well still silence? |
| 09:12.06 | rypervenche | Yep |
| 09:12.37 | rypervenche | I checked alsamixer and it is not muted. |
| 09:13.05 | cahoot | rypervenche: run speaker-test in one term and alsamixer in another - see if toggling digital output makes a difference |
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| 09:13.52 | alphamail | anyone that can help me install debian to a usb, i need help with my grub entries |
| 09:14.25 | cahoot | rypervenche: also - no cables/switches to consider? |
| 09:14.47 | rypervenche | cahoot: I see no difference. I have no other speakers or anything hooked up. Just my laptop. |
| 09:14.56 | rypervenche | I.e., this is my laptop. |
| 09:15.06 | wols_ | ectospasm: I'm curious, how does it pair under ubuntu? you can't enter the pairing code on a rodent... |
| 09:15.30 | ectospasm | wols_: I used the bluetooth-applet under Ubuntu, same process worked. |
| 09:15.52 | ectospasm | Of course, I blew that Ubuntu installation when I installed squeeze... |
| 09:15.54 | wols_ | I used the bt applet under debian only, but I always had to enter the pin code on both devices |
| 09:16.13 | wols_ | but then, it is a mobile in my case |
| 09:16.16 | ectospasm | wols_: PIN code for the device is 0000 (or no PIN code) |
| 09:16.23 | wols_ | ah |
| 09:16.28 | ectospasm | I paired it on my laptop running Debian just fine |
| 09:16.39 | ectospasm | I'll try on my workstation again... |
| 09:17.08 | wols_ | alphamail: you need to describe your problem a bit better if you need help with it |
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| 09:18.07 | ectospasm | hmmmm, maybe squeeze doesn't like my bluetooth module on the motherboard... |
| 09:18.35 | alphamail | ok, my system is puppy linux, boot off of hard drive, i have my grub4d0s working well, downloaded the debian iso, put the kernel and initrd file on sdb2, my sdb1 has a puppy on it too. |
| 09:19.08 | alphamail | i made a debian entry that works sort of, then it craps out at a cd rom error |
| 09:19.17 | wols_ | erm, debian iso is no live cd normally, unless you explicitly went and got the live cd |
| 09:19.18 | alphamail | i think it is looking for the cd rom iso but can't find it |
| 09:19.30 | alphamail | i didnt get the live |
| 09:19.37 | wols_ | do you want to install and run a debian from a usb stick or do you want to put a debian installer on a usb stick? |
| 09:19.43 | alphamail | i want to install it on my usb, i dont care if it's live |
| 09:19.51 | alphamail | i want to install it |
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| 09:20.01 | alphamail | and have it as an entry on my grub list |
| 09:20.04 | wols_ | then install it with the normal installer |
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| 09:20.16 | alphamail | i dont have a cd rom |
| 09:20.19 | alphamail | how do i install it |
| 09:20.32 | alphamail | im on a netbook |
| 09:20.33 | wols_ | the debian install guide has entries for all kinds of installs. including from usb |
| 09:20.52 | alphamail | ok, i want to install to usb not from |
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| 09:21.40 | wols_ | you want to do both (unless you use debootstrap) since you don't have an optical drive as you said. read the debian install guide |
| 09:21.48 | alphamail | ok |
| 09:21.49 | action09 | hi all, what's the recommended way to get firefox4 on Debian, or iceweasel4 if so.. i'm on amd64 |
| 09:21.55 | action09 | thanks :) |
| 09:21.56 | wols_ | !tell alphamail about ig |
| 09:22.00 | alphamail | just google debian install ? |
| 09:22.07 | wols_ | ,versions iceweasel |
| 09:22.09 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-5; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-6~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-7; wheezy: 3.5.18-1; sid: 3.5.19-2; experimental: 4.0.1-2 |
| 09:22.48 | rypervenche | I am still unable to get my sound to work. It still works on Windows, but not on Debian. |
| 09:22.52 | wols_ | action09: not as if experimental is in any way recommended :) |
| 09:23.18 | action09 | yeah :) |
| 09:23.20 | rgr | rypervenche: what had you installed in the last working linux session? |
| 09:23.37 | wols_ | rypervenche: with laptops, it often helps to google for installation instructions for the specific model |
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| 09:24.01 | wols_ | action09: maybe install a firefox tarball in /opt or such? |
| 09:24.08 | rgr | its not an install issue : it was already installed and working. |
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| 09:24.26 | rgr | and that advice can be applied to all HW anyway. |
| 09:24.28 | wols_ | rgr: then you gotta check what changed since then |
| 09:24.33 | rypervenche | rgr: I don't think I had installed anything. It was working just fine. I went onto my Windows partition to play some Portal 2, then I came back to Linux and changed my main password with the "passwd" command and surfed the net for a bit before realizing the sound wasn't working. |
| 09:24.35 | rgr | yes. obviously. |
| 09:24.48 | action09 | i tried the tar.gz (with static libs) but flash is NOT working |
| 09:25.33 | alphamail | sorry cn you give me a link for how to install on usb |
| 09:26.17 | alphamail | got it, from pm thanks |
| 09:27.11 | rgr | alphamail: dont bring in the unstable versions. You'll break your system if you're not careful. Get the tar and install locally using prefix. |
| 09:27.51 | rgr | personally I dont think its worth the risk to your sanity. You choose debian for a reason ;) |
| 09:28.09 | alphamail | i already have my usb booting though, i dont want to mess with the boot record |
| 09:28.27 | alphamail | i jut want to install it and then edit my existing menu.lst |
| 09:31.19 | wols_ | alphamail: install it to your desired stick, if you want with debootstrap from putty (no need to use usb as a install media). then in the installer don't install a bootloader but edit your normal grub menu.lst |
| 09:31.21 | alphamail | my usb drive has two partitions, one of them is a puppy install, and i made another blank one ready for debian |
| 09:31.32 | wols_ | erm, not putty, but puppy linux |
| 09:31.36 | erAbuelo | ta lueg |
| 09:31.55 | alphamail | ok |
| 09:32.06 | alphamail | so i will install it from hard drive? |
| 09:32.25 | wols_ | more "via internet". read up on debootstrap |
| 09:33.09 | alphamail | ok so install via internet? |
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| 09:33.26 | wols_ | why don't you read the various helpful links dpkg gave you? |
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| 09:34.04 | alphamail | i am reading them now, im just unclear on some concepts |
| 09:34.56 | wols_ | debian has many different ways to install |
| 09:35.02 | alphamail | ok i will read the whole document and then come back if i dont understand |
| 09:35.11 | rypervenche | I fixed it. I couldn't do a soft reset, I had to actually halt it. Any idea why that might make a difference? |
| 09:35.14 | alphamail | thx |
| 09:35.25 | wols_ | since you already run a linux on the machine, and the amount of usb sticks seems to be limited, a debootstrap sounds the right one to use I guess |
| 09:35.34 | alphamail | ok |
| 09:35.44 | alphamail | let me read the guide first and get up to speed |
| 09:35.54 | alphamail | thanks for the help |
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| 09:36.00 | wols_ | !tell alphamail about debootstrap |
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| 09:37.03 | the_sniff | is there a way to use this |
| 09:37.03 | the_sniff | mount -t smbfs -o username=user //10.179.58.0/aaa /mnt/aaa |
| 09:37.07 | the_sniff | in fstab? |
| 09:37.36 | wols_ | yes |
| 09:37.39 | action09 | yes |
| 09:38.01 | action09 | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/mounting-an-smbfs-using-fstab-461202/ |
| 09:38.12 | riro | is there any way to scan ip behind the router? |
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| 09:39.00 | babilen | the_sniff: Just google it, there are multiple articles that explain it on the interwebs (e.g. debian administration, the linuxquestion one referenced above and so on) |
| 09:39.01 | action09 | the_sniff as example. imho is a good start, look at needed options. |
| 09:39.58 | wols_ | riro: depends how you define "router". my ISPs router lets me scan anything on the whole wide winternet. my home router doesn't allow my network to be scanned |
| 09:40.00 | babilen | action09: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/165 (is good afaict) |
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| 09:40.14 | action09 | all on debian-administration is gold ;) |
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| 09:41.12 | babilen | action09: If not horrendously outdated ;) |
| 09:41.20 | babilen | (still gold though) |
| 09:41.36 | action09 | yeah sadly :( |
| 09:42.15 | riro | wols_, ok |
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| 09:45.41 | alphamail | i think i was running the installer already and just have to tweak my grub entry so it knows where to find the iso |
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| 09:45.50 | alphamail | it was running kernal and initrd fine |
| 09:45.59 | alphamail | and beginning the install ok |
| 09:46.59 | wols_ | grub is irrelevant when you run the installer already. by that time, grub is a total utterly non issue |
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| 09:50.34 | alphamail | ok i have wget already |
| 09:50.37 | alphamail | i need to install ar |
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| 10:01.43 | oi-oi-oi-etc | hello, what is the correct syntax to enable wireless networking at the console with no X session? i know how to do eth0 with ifup and ifdown and /etc/networking/interfaces but i dont know how to configure a wlan0, i know the ip things etc just not what i need to do to connect to an access port etc |
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| 10:02.53 | oi-oi-oi-etc | auto wlan0 iface wlan0 inet static address 192.168.1.55 gateway 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 what comes next? |
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| 10:03.27 | oi-oi-oi-etc | i know i need to specify the wireless access point ssid but i dont know the syntax for that |
| 10:03.34 | Parsifal | oi-oi-oi-etc: wpa-ssid and wpa-psk, in my setup which is WPA encrypted. (You also need the packages wpa-supplicant and wireless-tools installed, though.) |
| 10:03.35 | oi-oi-oi-etc | can anyone here help me? |
| 10:03.44 | wols_ | oi-oi-oi-etc: ifup wlan0 |
| 10:04.02 | wols_ | oi-oi-oi-etc: the ssid and wpa password would be advised to |
| 10:04.09 | oi-oi-oi-etc | i type ifup wlan but it needs a ssid thing |
| 10:04.11 | oi-oi-oi-etc | ok |
| 10:04.15 | wols_ | oi-oi-oi-etc: and special reason you giev the wlan a static up? |
| 10:04.18 | oi-oi-oi-etc | i have an open network no encryption |
| 10:04.34 | wols_ | careless, reckless and imho stupid |
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| 10:04.38 | oi-oi-oi-etc | yes its static and no encryption |
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| 10:05.02 | oi-oi-oi-etc | dude its not my network but i need to connect to it it doesnt auto shcp to discourage use] |
| 10:05.13 | oi-oi-oi-etc | dhcp |
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| 10:06.00 | oi-oi-oi-etc | so i just have ssid accesspointssidname ? |
| 10:06.20 | oi-oi-oi-etc | or do i still specify wpa-ssid if its not encrypted? |
| 10:07.04 | oi-oi-oi-etc | coz ive tried the ssid ssidname |
| 10:07.11 | oi-oi-oi-etc | but it seems not enough |
| 10:07.58 | babilen | neither, it is wireless-essid -- please read /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian |
| 10:07.59 | oi-oi-oi-etc | i have wireless-tools installed aparrently |
| 10:08.11 | joiguru | hi. is there a problem with the wheezy repositoires ? |
| 10:08.37 | babilen | joiguru: Why? |
| 10:09.48 | joiguru | if i apt-get update with ftp.us.debian.org i get W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found |
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| 10:10.25 | joiguru | for ftp.{uk,de}.debian.org i get E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.kernel.org_debian_dists_wheezy_non-free_i18n_Index |
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| 10:11.04 | joiguru | i am getting that same error with ftp.de, ftp.uk, and mirrros.kernel org |
| 10:11.28 | babilen | uk works fine here fwiw |
| 10:11.29 | themill | yes, there's a problem with various mirrors atm |
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| 10:12.42 | babilen | themill: Is it due to the new packages generator? I did not experience any problems though |
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| 10:13.36 | themill | babilen: no idea. The reliability of the repos has been pretty bad for the last 6 months though. |
| 10:13.40 | babilen | yeah |
| 10:14.07 | mila | I need help ! When i start FIFA 11 in wine with UseGLSL enabled it doesnt render players, but without it it doesnt want to start.... Any tip will help!!!!!!!!!! :) |
| 10:14.44 | babilen | mila: Try #winehq |
| 10:14.53 | alphamail | wols, i am reading the install guide, it looks like i did things right, i copied the kernel and initrd, then copied the iso image to usb, it just isn't finding the iso. |
| 10:15.06 | joiguru | babilen, what is the version of apt-get you are using ? |
| 10:15.07 | mila | ty |
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| 10:15.24 | alphamail | my problem i think is i'm not using the right sytnax in grub or command to let debian know where the iso is |
| 10:16.18 | babilen | joiguru: I use aptitude 0.6.3-4 |
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| 10:25.18 | iluciv | Hi having probably a simple but annoying issue with apache2 and virtual hosts wondering if anyone can assist at all |
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| 10:28.18 | MrFrood | !anyone |
| 10:28.18 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 10:28.58 | iluciv | I've set up a lamp server at home with 2 vitual hosts now I want to be able to type in a browser on any computer on the lan www.example1.com or www.example2.com and it point to the virtual host but at the moment I have to type in http://<server IP>/www.example1.com and http://<serverip>/www.example2.com |
| 10:29.03 | iluciv | ok sorry |
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| 10:30.02 | joiguru | which debian wheezy repo contains qemu ?? |
| 10:31.39 | ompaul | joiguru: main better to use kvm # |
| 10:32.33 | petemc | iluciv: can you pastebin the entries in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ |
| 10:32.39 | joiguru | ompaul, i cant seem to find kvm or qemu or libvirt on main repo :( |
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| 10:33.47 | themill | ,versions qemu-kvm |
| 10:33.48 | judd | Package qemu-kvm on i386 -- lenny-backports: 0.12.5+dfsg-3~bpo50+2; squeeze: 0.12.5+dfsg-5; squeeze-security: 0.12.5+dfsg-5+squeeze1; sid: 0.14.0+dfsg-1~tls; wheezy: 0.14.0+dfsg-1~tls |
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| 10:34.21 | joiguru | sorry forgot to mention i am on wheezy |
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| 10:35.54 | themill | joiguru: it's most definitely there, as judd just said. "/msg dpkg bat" and provide us with the suggested output in a pastebin. |
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| 10:38.09 | olspookishmagus | hello, is this recommended: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=610483 (to create a bug report addressing various issues of different context that to create a bug report for each issue or at least group the issues in concept groups) |
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| 10:39.14 | alphamail | is 6.0.1a the current stable release? |
| 10:39.31 | olspookishmagus | alphamail: of what? |
| 10:39.35 | alphamail | debian |
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| 10:40.04 | iluciv | petemc: http://pastebin.com/twPJ48TD |
| 10:40.23 | olspookishmagus | alphamail: yup |
| 10:40.30 | iluciv | I'm sure it's something dns related |
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| 10:41.12 | petemc | iluciv: need the contents of those files. you can check dns by trying to ping the domain names |
| 10:41.17 | alphamail | i was getting an 'incorrect cd-rom detected' error message , googled it , and one of the causes was using an unstable version |
| 10:41.24 | alphamail | but it looks like that isn't the problem |
| 10:41.28 | olspookishmagus | alphamail: did you check it's hash? |
| 10:41.29 | onur | hi do you have any idea why djbdns package removed from squeeze? |
| 10:41.35 | alphamail | no i didnt |
| 10:41.43 | mamalujo | hi! I'm trying to access a partition on a disk from some dvd/hdd recorder, since due to a malfunction, that seems the only way to get to the recordings on it. apparently it partitioned that disk in some weird way, though; testdisk suggest "pc/ix" as partition type. I made a dd copy of it, and under hexdump, it looks similar to fat32 though, even mentioning the words "FAT32" in the exact spot as on my usb flash partition. Any suggestion re ... |
| 10:41.48 | mamalujo | ... some tools to try to use to access it? |
| 10:42.00 | olspookishmagus | alphamail: then go ahead |
| 10:42.17 | alphamail | md5? |
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| 10:43.05 | joiguru | themill, http://paste.debian.net/116352 |
| 10:44.04 | iluciv | petemc: I thought that was most likely what you wanted lol |
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| 10:46.31 | themill | !dbugs 516394 |
| 10:46.36 | dpkg | #516394:C[djbdns] [security]: Rapid DNS Poisoning in dnscache (security patch); Sat, 21 Feb 2009 07:27:02 UTC [] |
| 10:46.38 | themill | onur: at the request of the security team. ^^ probably related. |
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| 10:47.02 | themill | joiguru: there are some issues with mirrors at the moment. Perhaps try again in a few hours. |
| 10:47.33 | joiguru | ok |
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| 10:48.36 | iluciv | petemc: http://pastebin.com/k5eHmz7D |
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| 10:49.51 | petemc | iluciv: the entries for the 2 domains are identical, is that intentional? |
| 10:50.36 | alphamail | yes the md5sum checks out |
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| 10:51.06 | iluciv | petemc: ah no bad paste sorry the other one is supposed to be the food file |
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| 10:52.08 | petemc | iluciv: so you have a seperate directory in /var/www/ for food? |
| 10:52.32 | alphamail | should i try lenny instead to see if that works with install? |
| 10:52.40 | iluciv | petemc it's not the same in the files it just didn't copy out of the terminal when I went to paste it in |
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| 10:53.18 | iluciv | petemc: yes seperate directory for both source and food |
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| 10:53.29 | ompaul | alphamail: have you used squeeze? |
| 10:53.46 | alphamail | not yet |
| 10:53.51 | alphamail | trying to install now |
| 10:54.04 | themill | iluciv: have you set up a dns resolver to resolve the two separate names? |
| 10:54.05 | petemc | iluciv: and if you ping each domain, it resolves correctly? |
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| 10:54.47 | iluciv | I've set up the resolver but the names don't resolve with ping |
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| 10:55.20 | iluciv | petemc: you mean NameVirtualhost yes? |
| 10:55.33 | petemc | iluciv: your config seems ok, its clearly dns |
| 10:55.45 | petemc | your apache config is ok, i mean |
| 10:56.25 | iluciv | petemc: yeah I'm close I know I am, lol it's frustrating |
| 10:56.53 | petemc | where did you set up the dns? |
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| 10:58.38 | iluciv | petemc: that's where I'm a bit unsure the docs all give examples of localhost or virtualmachine that I could find that were current, regarding dns does it mean I have to install something like bind9 or with editing the host files on the server do? |
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| 10:58.57 | alphamail | does the net install work from other distros? |
| 10:59.01 | alphamail | im on puppy linux |
| 10:59.12 | petemc | iluciv: if its just a few machines on your lan, you can put entries in /etc/hosts |
| 10:59.48 | iluciv | petemc: yeah it's not many just setting this up to learn php etc |
| 10:59.50 | petemc | alphamail: net install is most commonly cd or usb media you boot from |
| 10:59.57 | MrFrood | alphamail: net-install is a bootable cd image |
| 11:00.31 | alphamail | anyone familiar with 'incorrect cd-rom detected' error during install |
| 11:00.41 | alphamail | im trying to install from a usb drive and got part way through |
| 11:01.19 | alphamail | maybe the iso file was fragmented, im working on that now |
| 11:01.31 | MrFrood | !tell alphamail about usb boot |
| 11:02.39 | alphamail | the thing is im already booting and the install is working it just hangs up at a certain point |
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| 11:10.39 | alphamail | can debian use fat32 instead of fat16? |
| 11:13.23 | homie | vfat |
| 11:13.23 | iluciv | petemc: thanks for your help I'll keep nattering at it till I work it out I'm sure it's a simple typo or something I've done, thanks again :) |
| 11:13.31 | homie | is both for 32 and 16 yes |
| 11:13.42 | homie | but not for putting debian on it... |
| 11:13.50 | homie | only as partitions |
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| 11:14.02 | homie | to be mounted after the system is up.... |
| 11:14.55 | alphamail | so you can only install it on fat16? |
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| 11:29.37 | wissem | hi all |
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| 11:31.45 | thegoodcushion | 'sup debian fanboys? |
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| 11:34.50 | cahoot | obviously sunday |
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| 11:40.16 | thegoodcushion | What's debian moving toward after GNOME 2? Is it GNOME 3? |
| 11:40.25 | nsadmin | cahoot: it's the 8th, so I guess so |
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| 11:41.15 | nsadmin | thegoodcushion, ask the gnome maints (and be sure to call them fanboys; they like that and will be twice as likely to help you) |
| 11:41.31 | thegoodcushion | nsadmin: I think you're being sarcastic |
| 11:41.40 | nsadmin | ya think? |
| 11:41.46 | thegoodcushion | You know, that's the one real difference between debian and ubuntu. ubuntu people are friendly, debian people are snobs |
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| 11:41.56 | nevyn | yep. |
| 11:43.10 | babilen | thegoodcushion: gnome3 is being packaged (mostly done) and the packages are lingering in experimental. If you want to know the status have a look at http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html |
| 11:43.17 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 11:43.27 | nsadmin | babilen all gone |
| 11:43.40 | babilen | yeah, I realised that shortly after I sent the mail |
| 11:43.54 | babilen | s/mail/message |
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| 11:44.27 | dutchfish | is there a status page for kde as well? |
| 11:45.46 | dutchfish | except for http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org |
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| 11:46.50 | babilen | I have no interest in KDE, but wouldn't be surprised if such a page exists too. Ask in #debian-kde on oftc :) |
| 11:46.59 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 11:53.46 | cerpin | is there a way to rsync from NTFS partition to ext4 and keep the filepermissions? |
| 11:55.33 | tengry | ping |
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| 11:56.41 | wissem | is there cleartype font on debian squeeze? |
| 11:56.41 | scrieler | do anybody has confiix on his server here? |
| 11:56.51 | scrieler | confixx |
| 11:57.39 | dutchfish | cerpin, maybe if you mount with acl it could work (never tried it myself) ie ext4 defaults,acl,noatime,nodiratime 1 1 |
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| 11:58.41 | cerpin | hm i will try. thx |
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| 12:02.03 | dougvann | weirdness.. every time i add a link in my sites-enabled directory ALL sites go to that new webroot. I can not have multiple sites on this deb6 box. What have I done wrong? |
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| 12:04.02 | dougvann | i have multiple files in my sites-available but if i create even one link back to one of those files, then the pre-existing site will also deliver the new webroot's files. |
| 12:05.09 | dutchfish | dougvann, you havent told us what webserver, debian version and how you did setup virtual hosting if used .... |
| 12:05.38 | jelly-home | dougvann: lexical order of link names in sites-enabled/ determines the order they're read |
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| 12:06.22 | jelly-home | dougvann: pastebin your apache2ctl -S output, for a start |
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| 12:07.03 | dougvann | will do , thnx. im a coder who's ben [over the years] getting more and more savy on cli and server ops |
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| 12:07.16 | Ttt2 | hello |
| 12:07.34 | Ttt2 | im having probs with pptpd |
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| 12:07.42 | Ttt2 | anyone running it succesfully |
| 12:07.47 | Ttt2 | ? |
| 12:08.57 | aguitel | i installed debian testing ,with no errors but when gdm windows appears keyboard and mouse is not working ,anyone know to fix? |
| 12:09.07 | dougvann | i love the pastebinit command! |
| 12:09.09 | dougvann | http://pastebin.com/g91TYxLr |
| 12:10.46 | somiaj | aguitel: I had this problem recentally with a sid upgrade. Did you check /var/log/Xorg.0.log? For me it was that Hotplugging was enabled which in turns disabled the old version of defining keyboards/mice in the xorg.config |
| 12:11.26 | aguitel | somiaj, i have not xorg.conf |
| 12:11.32 | somiaj | aguitel: it should give you a WW that says it is disabling your keyboard and mouse because of Hotplugging. I just looked up how to disable Hotplugging to go back to the older behavior |
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| 12:12.15 | somiaj | aguitel: well check your Xorg.conf -- yes the new policy is to have everything autodetected, I'm sure the manpage will tell you what is and isn't being detected. |
| 12:12.24 | somiaj | aguitel: arg check your /var/log/Xorg.0.og |
| 12:13.10 | aguitel | somiaj, i cannot read anything in the system |
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| 12:13.32 | somiaj | aguitel: can you ssh into the system and disable gdm from bootup? or check the logs? |
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| 12:14.06 | aguitel | somiaj, how disable gdm? |
| 12:14.08 | somiaj | aguitel: if not boot up off of the install cd -- recovery cd, mount the correct partition and parse the logs from this recovery tools |
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| 12:14.16 | somiaj | aguitel: update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
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| 12:15.14 | arunkumar413 | hi, i want to upgrade my browser but i'm getting this error: E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 12:15.16 | arunkumar413 | E: Unable to lock the download directory |
| 12:15.23 | MarKsaitis | I have a trouble. apt-get install python-software-properties |
| 12:15.24 | MarKsaitis | says I already have the latest package, but add-apt-repository still doesnt work. HELP |
| 12:15.40 | somiaj | aguitel: but if you don't have a custom xorg.conf like I did, your problem may be different, though I'm sure you can read the log file to find out what. |
| 12:16.02 | arunkumar413 | please help me |
| 12:16.19 | somiaj | arunkumar413: are you sure you don't have aptitude / apt-get running another operation in the background? |
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| 12:16.28 | aguitel | somiaj, ok |
| 12:17.14 | somiaj | arunkumar413: did you run the upgrade/install command as root (usually via sudo) |
| 12:17.17 | arunkumar413 | somiaj: yes i am sure. |
| 12:17.23 | MarKsaitis | does anybody have add-apt-repository command working? |
| 12:17.36 | arunkumar413 | somiaj: no |
| 12:17.59 | somiaj | arunkumar413: you wont' be able to get the lock (or really do any upgrade/install) if your not running it as root |
| 12:18.20 | somiaj | MarKsaitis: what version of debian are you running? what version of the package do you want to install? |
| 12:18.42 | MarKsaitis | somiaj, I am running the latest debian squeeze |
| 12:18.51 | MarKsaitis | I just want add-apt-repository command to work |
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| 12:19.34 | somiaj | packages.debian.org isn't finding that command in any package in squeeze. |
| 12:19.38 | MarKsaitis | apt-get install python-software-properties says its already installed. This command should be in this package afaik |
| 12:19.40 | arunkumar413 | somiaj: while launching the synaptic it asked for the password i entered it correctly and selected the package i want to upgrade,but it returning the above mentioned error |
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| 12:19.57 | MarKsaitis | somiaj, i know, but it finds it in testing I think |
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| 12:20.10 | somiaj | MarKsaitis: do NOT install testign packages on a stable system. |
| 12:20.14 | MarKsaitis | I am new to debian and apt-get |
| 12:20.28 | somiaj | MarKsaitis: what do you really want to do? |
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| 12:20.39 | somiaj | MarKsaitis: i.e. what repo do you want to add? |
| 12:20.48 | MarKsaitis | somiaj, i am only following this one - apt-get install python-software-properties |
| 12:20.54 | MarKsaitis | woops |
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| 12:21.08 | MarKsaitis | https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Asterisk+Packages |
| 12:21.08 | somiaj | arunkumar413: it could be the lock file is left from a failed upgrade/apt command, you maybe able to just delete the lock file and get functionality back -- but I'm not positive on this point. |
| 12:21.10 | MarKsaitis | this one |
| 12:21.26 | somiaj | MarKsaitis: but you have the 'lastest' version from sqeeze installed...what is wrong with the version in squeeze? |
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| 12:21.31 | Creak | hello! |
| 12:21.32 | MarKsaitis | this site tells me that it must work on squeeze |
| 12:21.59 | MarKsaitis | command 2.2.1 from my given page does not work |
| 12:22.03 | Creak | what is the status of the /run conversion issue for the installator?* |
| 12:22.07 | MarKsaitis | this page says it must work on squeeze |
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| 12:22.38 | somiaj | MarKsaitis: you said it works, it just says you already have the latest version installed |
| 12:22.54 | somiaj | MarKsaitis: what does dpkg -l | grep python-software-properties tell you? |
| 12:22.58 | MarKsaitis | somiaj, there are two commands :) |
| 12:23.12 | MarKsaitis | the one works for installing that package |
| 12:23.24 | arunkumar413 | somiaj: plz help me |
| 12:23.25 | MarKsaitis | but that 2.2.1 doesnt work as it says "no command" |
| 12:23.54 | somiaj | MarKsaitis: well it doesn't appear that add-apt-repository is a part of squeeze, maybe the guide is givng you bad info. |
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| 12:24.38 | MarKsaitis | ccii python-software-properties 0.60.debian-3 manage the repositories that you install software from |
| 12:24.44 | arunkumar413 | somiaj: i killed all the synaptic and update related processes but still unable to get the lock |
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| 12:25.35 | somiaj | MarKsaitis: seems as if the person wrote that guide for either debian sid or ubuntu, but need the version 0.76.7debian2 which is not the version you have. Looks like you'll have to modify the /etc/apt/sources.list flie by hand to add that repo instead of using the automatic tool |
| 12:25.35 | aguitel | somiaj, i will pastebin thie log |
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| 12:25.54 | somiaj | arunkumar413: does the lock file its talking about exist? |
| 12:26.08 | somiaj | aguitel: look for (WW) entries |
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| 12:26.47 | arunkumar413 | somiaj: yes, i didn't edit or delete it |
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| 12:27.42 | MarKsaitis | somiaj, hell knows these damn GUIDES, always a problem, every single one of them. Guide says that it must work on squeeze, but it seems it doesnt since one command is in testing package. You guys recommend me not to install testing stuff. Why the hell these guide writers tell us to use shit which is not good.... what should I do now then? |
| 12:27.47 | somiaj | arunkumar413: usually a lock file is just a file that if it exists the program won't run...you should be able to just delete the lock file as it got left around by a crash of some sort -- though back up that file, as I say this is usually how lock files work, but I won't give you any guarntees |
| 12:28.18 | pepe_curdele | somiaj, http://pastebin.com/JjHrFAga |
| 12:28.31 | somiaj | MarKsaitis: it just wants you to add a file to /etc/apt/sources.list -- which is easy to do, just add the required sorce file and then realize if the repo you adding conflicts with squeese this isn't debians issue but the third party program your trying to use |
| 12:29.13 | MarKsaitis | somiaj, I know I need to do this manually know. I so wanted to do it the right way guide says.... :) |
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| 12:30.25 | somiaj | MarKsaitis: well go talk to the people who wrote the guide // but according the packages.deiban.org the command they want you to run was not put into that package until sid, and you dont' want to install a sid package on a stable system |
| 12:30.38 | MarKsaitis | the stuff i never understand that ubuntu ppl already have this command :) |
| 12:31.06 | somiaj | pepe_curdele: I don't see anything sticking out -- I have had gdm be the problem (and not X) but since I don't use gnome or any dm its been years. You should disable gdm from automically running at bootup from your recovery tool/or ssh "update-rc.d -f gdm rmove" |
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| 12:31.11 | somiaj | rmove=remove |
| 12:31.14 | MarKsaitis | oh well ok. Damn these guide writers |
| 12:31.42 | somiaj | pepe_curdele: then boot up into a cli, and see if you have your keyboard working, log in as your user and run startx -- if youg et keyboard and mouse then you'll ahve to search into why gdm is causing issues. |
| 12:32.07 | MarKsaitis | somiaj, is there no GUI to manage my repos then? |
| 12:32.10 | MarKsaitis | on debian |
| 12:32.16 | MarKsaitis | i want to se them at a glance |
| 12:32.19 | somiaj | MarKsaitis: well I think any guide that wants to use a automic tool to add a single line to /etc/apt/sources.list is making things diffcult. By default most just modify that text file. |
| 12:32.25 | somiaj | MarKsaitis: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:32.37 | MarKsaitis | somiaj, ok |
| 12:32.39 | MarKsaitis | thanx |
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| 12:33.44 | MarKsaitis | and on my freshly installed debian system, runninggedit gives loads of wrrors/warning in my terminal, do you know what this shit is all about? |
| 12:33.57 | MarKsaitis | GConf Error: Failed to contact configuration server; the most common cause is a mi |
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| 12:34.25 | somiaj | looks like a misconfigured gconf. |
| 12:34.31 | MarKsaitis | it just dumps this stuff on to my whole big screen |
| 12:34.37 | MarKsaitis | looks like a scrap yard |
| 12:34.44 | MarKsaitis | I havent configured anything at all |
| 12:34.47 | MarKsaitis | fresh install |
| 12:35.08 | somiaj | MarKsaitis: check the bugreports on gedit |
| 12:35.36 | MarKsaitis | it just talks about remote application did not send a reply |
| 12:35.57 | MarKsaitis | some nonsense to me :) the app works though just fine |
| 12:36.06 | MarKsaitis | and I am not doing any remote system connections |
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| 12:36.41 | somiaj | MarKsaitis: did you run gedit from a terminal? They could just be warnings, if you use the menu to run gedit you won't see those warnings -- but if things run just fine you can probabaly just ignore the warinings |
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| 12:37.13 | somiaj | MarKsaitis: lots of apps can be very verbose and giving you warnings. |
| 12:37.21 | MarKsaitis | somiaj, yeah from terminal. Well I hate these things. I have not done anything wrong myself for these to anoy me |
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| 12:39.54 | elkng | is debian has the biggest package repository ? |
| 12:40.00 | MarKsaitis | somiaj, I dont understand then why is there a point of developing utility to add repos if you can manually just echo same stuff with one command |
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| 12:40.49 | somiaj | MarKsaitis: that program is a part of a unstandard python tool package that has little to do with debian core tools, someone developed it because they wanted another tool. |
| 12:41.11 | somiaj | elkng: what do you mean by biggest? Yes the offical debian repos have thousands of packages. |
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| 12:42.10 | somiaj | MarKsaitis: but yes I don't see why they don't just give you the repo info to add manually to the sources.list |
| 12:42.43 | MarKsaitis | weird stuff |
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| 12:43.18 | somiaj | MarKsaitis: though you can actually controlt eh sources via different files /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ (so check that directory) and maybe someone wanted a nice tool to add/remove sources if they use a lot of them. Others like me who only use offical debian sources don't need mroe than a few lines. |
| 12:43.28 | elkng | if I want to try all linux software what distributive I have to choise ? I have found 8 DVD's , thats all what debian have ? |
| 12:43.30 | navi | Where can i find the nginx source? |
| 12:43.56 | MarKsaitis | somiaj, ok |
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| 12:44.52 | somiaj | elkng: correct, you can download the complete stable repos on DVDs, though most will just use the internt sources as opposed to downloading the dvds -- one advantage is you get security updates this way |
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| 12:45.45 | somiaj | navi: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/nginx -- there are links to download the source package there, or you can add a src entry to your /etc/apt/sources.list and jsut use apt-get source <packagename> |
| 12:46.12 | elkng | somiaj: thanks |
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| 12:46.38 | navi | somiaj, I'm already running Nginx. I want to edit some source files of nginx. |
| 12:47.01 | somiaj | elkng: most don't use most of what is available. |
| 12:47.42 | somiaj | navi: umm, what does running a binary have to do with modifing the source code? Yes there are tools so you can download the sourcecode, modify it and then compile it into your own custom deb package and install it on your system |
| 12:48.07 | somiaj | navi: or are you wanting to modify something else (not the sourcecode for that web server) |
| 12:48.39 | navi | I just want to edit a file named "ngx_http_special_response.c" in nginx's source. |
| 12:48.54 | somiaj | navi: well I told you how to get the source, what's the problem? |
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| 12:49.40 | navi | somiaj, I already installed Nginx. I want to know the location of nginx's source. I tried /usr/src/nginx: No such file or directory |
| 12:49.42 | somiaj | navi: do a good search for 'debian source package' |
| 12:50.19 | somiaj | navi: binary packages don't contain the sourcecode, you will have to do more than just modify the source once you get it to effect your server |
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| 12:50.46 | navi | somiaj, oh okay. thanks. |
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| 12:51.09 | somiaj | navi: you will have to download the source, modify it, recompile the modified sourcecode into your own custom package, stop your current server, install your custom package, then start the new binary you isntalled. |
| 12:53.02 | navi | somiaj, if that's the only way, i'll leave this because i wanted to modify the nginx's default error page text. Its easy to use error_page directive in conf then editing source, recomplie...... |
| 12:53.42 | navi | somiaj, anyways, thanks. see ya soon with another question :) |
| 12:53.48 | somiaj | navi: I think you need to understand the difference between 'sourcecode' and 'binary package' |
| 12:53.53 | navi | anyway* |
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| 12:54.18 | navi | just googling the same |
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| 12:55.32 | somiaj | navi: another thing you should think about (espically for a server sourcecode), if you make a custompatch/modification to the source code, you will become the matainer of that package for your system. This means you will have to keep up on the security updates yourself, because if the package upgrades because of a security upgrade you will have to redo the whole process. |
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| 12:56.27 | berserkr1 | hi |
| 12:57.02 | navi | somiaj, It was a minor modification. I'll keep your point in mind. |
| 13:01.07 | somiaj | I'll ask again, apt-get and aptitude are trying to upgrade fvwm from version 2.6.1 to verions 2.5.30. 2.6.1 is a custom built package, but since 2.6.1 > 2.5.30 it shouldn't try to upgrade this. Trying to figure out why it thinks 2.5.30 is an upgrade from 2.6.1 |
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| 13:11.35 | manchot | for a default apt-get install vsftpd, where is the anonymous directory located? |
| 13:12.02 | manchot | /home/ftp? |
| 13:12.07 | manchot | /var/ftp? |
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| 13:14.10 | somiaj | manchot: have you read though /usr/share/doc/vsftpd -- that contains useful install info. |
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| 13:14.43 | somiaj | manchot: you can probably also check the default config that was put in /etc/ |
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| 13:18.49 | somnus | manchot: don't you find it in the manpage or doc? |
| 13:19.07 | manchot | it is located in /srv/ftp |
| 13:19.26 | manchot | somiaj, somus, I found it in /etc/passwd |
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| 13:27.52 | tweek_ | question: i accidentally a few files. not trying to recover them, but i wanna understand how i did that. so... |
| 13:28.03 | tweek_ | i aptitude purged proftpd |
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| 13:28.28 | tweek_ | did not think it would try to remove /home/ftp, but it did |
| 13:28.34 | tweek_ | but: |
| 13:29.07 | somiaj | tweek_: /home/ftp is a config directory that was purged with the config files. |
| 13:29.19 | tweek_ | there were 3 directorys mounted there (with -o bind), 2 owned by ftp, 1 owned by debian-transmission |
| 13:29.26 | tweek_ | somiaj: yeah i learned that |
| 13:29.50 | tweek_ | the one owned by debian-transmission got emptied, the ones owned by ftp were untouched |
| 13:30.04 | tweek_ | shouldn't it have been the other way around? |
| 13:30.11 | somiaj | tweek_: I thought there was a awrning that it did that, I recall seeing something to the effect recntally but it may have been something else. |
| 13:30.11 | tweek_ | also, it said: userdel: error removing directory /home/ftp |
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| 13:30.39 | tweek_ | so all it did was remove a subdirectory that was NOT owned by ftp and mounted via bind |
| 13:30.49 | somiaj | the remove process is run as root, so its probabaly not just a permissions issue as to why some where not removed. |
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| 13:31.36 | somiaj | tweek_: maybe take a peak the the bugreports for it |
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| 13:32.06 | tweek_ | somiaj: does such a remove process go into mounted directories? |
| 13:32.31 | tweek_ | like, /media/data/videos was mounted -o bind to /home/ftp/incoming/videos |
| 13:32.52 | tweek_ | i just want to make sure that that was it |
| 13:33.48 | somiaj | tweek_: any of those bind mounts, mounted read only? |
| 13:34.25 | tweek_ | all rw |
| 13:35.12 | tweek_ | i just noticed, forgot to mention, directories owned by 1000 (me) were also mounted there, they weren't touched |
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| 13:36.14 | tweek_ | is remounting directories to /home/ftp in order to share them maybe a bad idea? |
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| 13:36.22 | petemc | tweek_: look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/proftpd.postrm |
| 13:37.24 | tweek_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:37.24 | tweek_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:38.04 | themill | somiaj: "/msg dpkg bat" the output of "apt-cache policy packagename" may be particularly enlightening, but seeing the full output of the package manager would help too |
| 13:40.07 | tweek_ | in general, rm -r will follow any mountpoint, right? |
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| 13:41.02 | wols | tweek_: yes |
| 13:41.31 | tweek_ | if so, the remaining question would rather be: why wasn't everything deleted? |
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| 13:42.21 | somiaj | themill: thanks, trying to figure out what its telling me, seems to be an extra '1:' in the 2.5.30 version or a pinning issue? http://paste.debian.net/116363/ |
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| 13:43.21 | themill | dpkg: tell somiaj about debian epoch |
| 13:43.25 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 13:43.59 | themill | somiaj: yes, that 1: is an epoch that makes the debian package higher in version than the other one (which has an implicit epoch of 0). |
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| 13:44.32 | themill | somiaj: to double check version comparisons, /msg dpkg version compare |
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| 13:44.37 | somiaj | themill: ok thanks, for the info. |
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| 13:50.10 | pcfreak30 | Hello. I just installed pure-ftpd-mysql. I am trying to login under a under privileged user, yet it says invalid password? I am just trying to do a simple unix auth, no pdb mysql, or anything.. |
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| 13:59.44 | Texou | hi |
| 14:00.02 | scrieler | hi, anybody using confixx? |
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| 14:00.18 | matias | Hello |
| 14:00.20 | Texou | could someone tell me how I can export Dnome's shortcuts between 2 computers? I don't find relevant info in .gnome2 and the 2 computers are on squeeze |
| 14:01.24 | matias | can I keep the clipboard's content even when I close the application from which I copied it? I have klipper installed but it doesn't seem to be working well |
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| 14:03.27 | matias | for example if I copy something here and then I close xChat it's discarded :| |
| 14:04.05 | nvz | I am having some technical issues here I don't understand.. I got my netbook in the next room and trying to work on it via ssh.. first it wouldnt let me su, kept saying authentication failure when I know the password was right |
| 14:04.44 | nvz | so I went in and manually started a screen session with a root screen already running, now when I attach the screen out here and try to apt-get remove something the [y/n] to continue never comes up |
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| 14:07.39 | eshat | Is it possible to encrypta folder on an ext4 filesystem ? |
| 14:08.03 | nvz | encryption is possible on any filesystem |
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| 14:09.13 | eshat | nvz, I mean, I would like something that says everyhing in ~/data is encrypted |
| 14:09.25 | eshat | and when accessing that folder I should be asked for the passphrase |
| 14:09.31 | themill | eshat: not in the sense of "click on it and say 'encrypt me'", but you can use something like encfs or mount an encrypted loop back on that location |
| 14:09.58 | eshat | themill: encfs sound great, I ll check that |
| 14:09.59 | eshat | thanks |
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| 14:10.00 | themill | none of these things are access-time though, they're typically at mount time |
| 14:10.10 | themill | !encfs |
| 14:10.10 | dpkg | well, encfs is a package for an encrypted virtual filesystem. See http://packages.debian.org/encfs and https://we.riseup.net/debian/encrypted-folder-using-encfs |
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| 14:11.08 | nvz | hmm.. well its not just the ssh, tried doing the same command on a local root console.. idk whats causing apt to hang |
| 14:12.36 | nvz | ah.. apparently using "mono*" is removing the whole system for some reason |
| 14:12.59 | red2kic | I have to ask about iceweasel extension, iceweasel-tabmixplus + iceweasel-adblock-plus + few other things. Should I use it from the repo or just go with addon (via mozilla site)? I'm trying to live the debian way (stableness, etc). |
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| 14:13.57 | nvz | I dont understand how mono* matches 700+ packages |
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| 14:15.48 | themill | nvz: doesn't here. |
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| 14:16.15 | nvz | themill: mono-* does what I want, but mono* selected seemingly all the packages on my system |
| 14:16.30 | themill | what does? |
| 14:16.42 | nvz | themill: apt-get --purge remove mono* |
| 14:17.49 | themill | nvz: you realise that it's a regexp syntax, don't you? |
| 14:18.03 | Bulldog | whats the software source to add unstable content |
| 14:18.04 | nvz | themill: uh.. no.. heh |
| 14:18.44 | themill | nvz: (so you asked for the removal of all -common packages too) |
| 14:19.03 | themill | !wayttd Bulldog |
| 14:19.03 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Bulldog? |
| 14:19.10 | nvz | themill: all I realize is that its going to remove 696 packages (already removed apache*, mysql*, and mono-*) |
| 14:19.20 | Bulldog | wanted to test gnome 3 on debian |
| 14:19.27 | daemonkeeper | You better wait |
| 14:19.37 | nvz | themill: how does saying mono* tell it to do all that? |
| 14:19.44 | themill | nvz: man apt-get |
| 14:19.47 | daemonkeeper | Especially since Gnome is not even in unstable yet |
| 14:20.05 | Bulldog | hence .. test |
| 14:20.15 | themill | Bulldog: the packages aren't ready for testing yet |
| 14:20.19 | daemonkeeper | You realize you are most likely going to break your system? |
| 14:20.34 | wols | red2kic: IIRC the packages install stuff system wide, while normal addons are user specific. normal addons are also more up to date which might be important for stuff like adblock plus |
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| 14:21.06 | Bulldog | so ? its just a swap to another debian partition and a reinstall of this one |
| 14:21.11 | nvz | themill: uh yeah.. I get that its not matching a specific package and interpreting it as a regex.. but it worked for apache* and mysql* |
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| 14:21.45 | nvz | themill: not to mention mono-*, whats different about mono*? |
| 14:21.47 | red2kic | wols: Hmm. I see. I was pondering why the extensions are in the repo in first place. |
| 14:21.52 | daemonkeeper | Bulldog: You have been warned. Add experimental to your sources.list and have fun |
| 14:21.53 | red2kic | wols: That will do, I suppose. |
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| 14:22.30 | daemonkeeper | Actually unstable and experimental |
| 14:22.45 | Bulldog | daemonkeeper whats the source for them ? |
| 14:22.48 | themill | nvz: mono* is a regular expression matching "mon" or "mono" or "monooo" etc. Every package that ends in "-common" matches "mon". "mono-*" on the other hand, matches "mono", "mono-", "mono--", etc. So it only matches packages that actually have "mono" in their name and not just "mon" |
| 14:23.17 | daemonkeeper | Bulldog: Same as you have, just replace squeeze/stable by unstable and copy the line for experimental |
| 14:23.34 | Bulldog | daemonkeeper ok |
| 14:23.39 | themill | Bulldog: I'm going to be blunt here... if you can't find them yourself, then you shouldn't touch experimental at all. |
| 14:23.44 | nvz | themill: ah.. so I didn't specify ^mono* |
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| 14:23.56 | dimm0k | morning everyone |
| 14:24.02 | themill | nvz: and it should be .* not o* at the end too |
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| 14:24.06 | dimm0k | in my syslog.conf i have "*.warn;kern.!=debug;auth.none;authpriv.none;cron.none;mail.none;news.none -/var/log/syslog", but it looks like kern.debug is still logging to /var/log/syslog... any suggestions? |
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| 14:24.14 | daemonkeeper | Moreover there are no updates and security repositories, so you need to disable them. As themill says, it is a /very/ bad idea what you are going to do. |
| 14:24.40 | nvz | themill: hmm.. guess I need to work on my regex-fu |
| 14:25.17 | wols | why does apt-get suddenly uses regexes? it didn't before, did it? aptitude did/does |
| 14:25.32 | themill | wols: yeah, I though it use to do globbing too |
| 14:25.57 | themill | nvz: indeed! You might like to use aptitude for this as the aptitude search patterns can be then turned directly into purge or remove patterns |
| 14:26.07 | nvz | idk it confused the hell out of me.. I thought saying mono* would match anything that started with "mono" |
| 14:26.10 | daemonkeeper | Perhaps since most code base between aptitude and apt is shared now in libapt |
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| 14:26.48 | themill | wols: hmm.. apt-get in lenny apparently did regexps too not globs. |
| 14:27.00 | wols | daemonkeeper: progess is stupid! |
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| 14:27.19 | daemonkeeper | wols: Yeah, let's go back to dselect |
| 14:27.31 | themill | nvz: well if it were doing globs you'd be right, but it's doing posix regexs instead. |
| 14:27.36 | wols | that'd be awesome |
| 14:27.54 | nvz | themill: i'd like people to stop changing shit without informing me.. heh |
| 14:28.11 | daemonkeeper | There is pretty sure a changelog outlining this ... |
| 14:28.26 | wols | nvz: information tsunami incoming to you in 3 2 1... |
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| 14:28.59 | dselect | hmmm? stop *using* me... I don't like feeling used! I want to feel wanted and appreciated. *sniff* |
| 14:29.08 | nvz | wols: i know... heh.. I'm just saying.. I purposely use debian and dont update without checking changelogs for this reason.. |
| 14:29.21 | Creak | what is the status of the /run conversion issue for the installator?* |
| 14:29.27 | wols | dselect: back to the basement with you. who the heck left the basement door open again? |
| 14:29.27 | dselect | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, wols |
| 14:29.34 | nvz | I'm used to a certain level of consistancy with debian.. its all changing too much now |
| 14:30.00 | wols | yes, what are us old curmudgeons to do when debian changes from week to week? |
| 14:30.30 | wols | we might have to change OSes or something. Hurd? some BSD? |
| 14:30.43 | daemonkeeper | Like ... Debian kFreeBSD? |
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| 14:31.01 | wols | daemonkeeper: the userland there is all shit. gone to the dogs! |
| 14:31.02 | daemonkeeper | Or Debian Hurd? |
| 14:31.15 | daemonkeeper | wols: Its exactly the same as in Linux |
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| 14:31.24 | wols | daemonkeeper: that's my point |
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| 14:31.59 | daemonkeeper | Well maybe install Deban GNU/Windows then |
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| 14:32.35 | themill | wols, nvz: man apt-get changed from globs to regexps in 2004 (so presumably the code changed about the same time or earlier). I don't think you can claim that the pace of change is too fast if it took you 7 years to notice. |
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| 14:33.11 | wols | themill: you don't know how old I am and how calcified all my arteries are, sir |
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| 14:33.26 | nvz | themill: yeah well its more the fact that I nearly fubar'd my system when I realize it |
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| 14:33.43 | themill | (which means that apt has used regexps for longer than it used globs) |
| 14:34.06 | nvz | I had gotten comfortable with the globs by 2004 |
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| 14:34.39 | wols | new hardware is fun. thanks to the extended wlan range of my new toy, now I know I have neighbours that use WEP still. and on pretty good hardware too |
| 14:35.08 | superlinux | hi. I remember that there is a software that can let a mouse pointer move using a camera. anyone please tell me the name of this software. |
| 14:35.11 | superlinux | thanks |
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| 14:36.53 | wols | http://eviacam.sourceforge.net/eviacam.php |
| 14:37.06 | superlinux | ok |
| 14:38.30 | matias | do you use anything else than klipper to use the clipboard? I can't copy anything and then close the application because what I copied is discarded, how can I change that? |
| 14:39.42 | themill | matias: that's certainly not the default behaviour of klipper. (at least not where plain text is concerned) |
| 14:40.04 | nvz | wth.. this f'n thing is still not letting me su from here.. I am tired of getting up and going in the other room to type my root password.. I know for a fact I'm not typing it wrong and the keyboard isn't malfunctioning.. |
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| 14:40.29 | matias | somehow it's working in that way even if I didn't change anything |
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| 14:42.43 | matias | in the configuration panel it says "Save clipboard contents on exit", and it's marked. I guess it's just not working well |
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| 14:45.49 | matias | oh, I just realize the problem is that in some applications Ctrl+C doesn't work at all. if I do Alt+F2, write something and I try to copy it from there using Ctrl+C, it doesn't copy anything at all (it does if I do right click and "copy")! |
| 14:46.38 | boudiccas | matias, have you thought of aksing in #kde? |
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| 14:47.05 | matias | no, I just noticed what is the problem, I will try now |
| 14:47.20 | nvz | matias: are you aware of the fact that you don't have to "copy"? X copies automatically when you highlight |
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| 14:48.18 | nvz | matias: highlight, middle or right click to paste.. |
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| 14:48.40 | matias | in fact no, try this: Alt+F2 -> abcd -> Ctrl+A and check what you have copied |
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| 14:49.02 | matias | at least here it doesn't work always (I know that if you highlight using the mouse it works) |
| 14:50.12 | nvz | matias: alt+f2 does nothing on my system.. what are you talking about? |
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| 14:50.28 | nvz | actually it brings up a run dialog.. I wasn't aware of that.. heh |
| 14:50.36 | matias | ... |
| 14:50.37 | matias | :P |
| 14:51.02 | nvz | yet another f'n thing that changed I'm not aware of |
| 14:51.21 | nvz | I'm willing to bet if I had sawfish on here and not megashitty it wouldnt do that |
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| 14:51.31 | antivirtel | I have a problem with file uploading. My newly configured debian server starts and uploads files, that are smaller than 280k, but I setted the max_upload_size to 10M... (I know 280k because the tmp files are placed in /tmp)... after the uploaded 280k, the uploading hangs... what can I do now? |
| 14:51.41 | antivirtel | (php) |
| 14:53.13 | matias | did you restart apache? |
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| 14:53.38 | antivirtel | yeah, I reloaded, then restarted... |
| 14:54.37 | robo | antivirtel, anything in the error_log? |
| 14:54.47 | robo | and this is php or something? |
| 14:55.12 | matias | did you check what you have in post_max_size? antivirtel |
| 14:55.53 | robo | hi: anyone installed oracle oci8 on debian? If so, did you use the package manager and how did you go about it? |
| 14:56.05 | antivirtel | robo, I have nothing about uploading, only about restarting/reloading |
| 14:56.11 | nvz | bah.. ran into a shitload of package errors in this squeeze chroot |
| 14:56.27 | antivirtel | matias I wrote, that is 10M |
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| 14:57.45 | matias | antivirtel, there are at least 3 lines you should check: post_max_size, upload_max_filesize, max_file_uploads |
| 14:58.00 | matias | err, two, the last one no |
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| 14:58.31 | drwahl | i'm using sid and trying to do an 'apt-get update' but it keeps failing with "hash sum mismatch" for ftp.us.debian.org. is there anything i can do to bypass the hash checking until they get it fixed on the server? |
| 14:58.40 | antivirtel | matias max_file_uploads:50, the others are 20M |
| 14:58.58 | Zuu | Does debian have a package with the most standard development tools? And if so, what is it called? |
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| 14:59.18 | Zuu | i need to install my NIC driver from source |
| 14:59.40 | daemonkeeper | You perhaps mean build-essential |
| 14:59.42 | themill | !b-e Zuu |
| 14:59.42 | dpkg | Zuu: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 14:59.54 | Zuu | daemonkeeper, that sounds very likely! thanks a lot :) |
| 15:00.02 | themill | drwahl: /topic |
| 15:00.17 | Zuu | Thank you too themill :) |
| 15:00.20 | babilen | drwahl: That has been fixed yesterday and should trickle down to the mirrors eventually. You might want to use a different mirror. Btw, sid (and testing) is not supported in #debian but in a new channel on irc.debian.org / irc.oftc.net named #debian-next |
| 15:00.46 | themill | babilen: there was a new round of breakage this morning |
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| 15:01.04 | babilen | themill: Huzaah! Due to the new package generator I guess, but who knows :) |
| 15:01.16 | themill | perhaps |
| 15:01.18 | drwahl | themill: ugh... i guess i fail at reading. thanks |
| 15:01.32 | superlinux | I just couldn't figure-out what package I need to have to build a pkg based on gtk+-2.0 . can someone help please? |
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| 15:01.42 | drwahl | babilen: i'll keep that in mind. thanks |
| 15:01.59 | nvz | Ok I had just done debootstrap /srv/target/ squeeze http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian then chroot /srv/target, and apt-get install apache2 mysql-server mono-complete php5 and got all these errors: http://paste.debian.net/116372/ |
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| 15:02.36 | babilen | drwahl: Just wanted to mention it. The idea is to give users a channel in which discussions/bug-tracking/packaging/hacking on testing/sid is on-topic. |
| 15:02.42 | nvz | they all seem to be due to packages not yet configured.. why the hell arent these packages configuring in the right order and how do I fix it? |
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| 15:05.52 | robo | hi: my understanding is the package manager should be aware of all packages on the system. Is it okay to use php-pear to install pecl packages? Or should the source of that package be converted to a .deb? |
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| 15:06.23 | superlinux | ok.. i found it.. I think |
| 15:06.53 | nevyn | robo: so it depends |
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| 15:06.58 | nvz | robo: the relvance to the issue is that 1) will packages you install that way effect the rest of the system, and 2) will the rest of the system possibly effect those packages? |
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| 15:07.11 | robo | hmm |
| 15:07.22 | mu | http://pastebin.com/DEhM3KGT < this happened when upgrading Debian to a newer distro through apt-get. Any help? |
| 15:07.40 | robo | nvz, how can you determine that? |
| 15:07.42 | nvz | robo: if its installing to somewhere like /opt or /usr/local/ or /home/ then its probably safe |
| 15:07.48 | nevyn | robo: I don't install php-pear or ruby gems or cpan packages on production systems they're ALWAYS converted to debs |
| 15:08.05 | Ryushin | I seem to be missing something. For some reason nfs mounts in /etc/fstab are never mounted using /etc/init.d/mountnfs.sh start. Running mount -a does mount the nfs points. |
| 15:08.06 | babilen | !tell mu -about missing lsb tags |
| 15:08.06 | robo | nevyn, that's sort of what I was thinking |
| 15:08.30 | mu | I'm under the suspicion that every problem ever has a !tell command |
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| 15:08.36 | nevyn | robo: I don't let third parties run php-pear either. |
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| 15:08.46 | babilen | mu: You probably want to purge xinetd and add lsb tags to your init scripts. See /etc/init.d/skeleton and /etc/init.d/README and the referenced documentation for details. |
| 15:08.49 | wols | mu: no need. dpkg is simply self aware |
| 15:09.05 | babilen | mu: It does, we are busy curating the bots database. :) |
| 15:09.16 | nevyn | robo: but if it's your own development system then php-pear might make sense. |
| 15:09.21 | babilen | wols: oops, sorry .. :-D |
| 15:09.27 | nevyn | just don't ask me to manage and maintain it |
| 15:09.36 | robo | nevyn, so you do build them using dpkg-buildpackage or is there a 3rd party repo you use? |
| 15:09.39 | mu | Well this is good, but I don't know what xinetd or lsb tags are. So I might have some clarification questions later if I can't figure it out through those files |
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| 15:10.10 | nevyn | robo: the systems where this applies arn't debian (E_ORGTOOSTUPID) |
| 15:10.46 | robo | since my dev systems match production there probably wont' be a case for me using php-pear |
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| 15:11.16 | babilen | mu: xinetd is simply a package that was installed once, but has been removed. That also means that its configuration files are still on your system and (being from an old version) lack the necessary lsb tags. I would recommend to purge the package (i.e. remove the configuration files). You can search for other packages that have been removed, but not purged with "aptitude search '~c'" |
| 15:11.33 | nevyn | robo: if the same people are responcible for the maintainance and management of the system it's less of an issue. |
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| 15:12.04 | babilen | mu: And just read the documentation about lsb tags. Come back if you have questions and good luck! |
| 15:12.11 | mu | babilen: I see. Thanks. |
| 15:12.14 | robo | cool; ty nevyn for the input |
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| 15:12.50 | thegoodcushion | Is the armel port of debian considered to be stable and current? |
| 15:12.53 | thegoodcushion | or is it experimental? |
| 15:13.29 | themill | thegoodcushion: was it released as part of Debian stable? |
| 15:13.32 | daemonkeeper | http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ |
| 15:13.44 | scrieler | do anybody can tell me the user and groups from the var/spool/postfix folders and files pls? |
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| 15:14.14 | ZKPsirus | Hi, I have a problem with my harddrives, appearently, and it makes my computer stutter quite severely. Here is my dmesg output, maybe you can tell me whats wrong: http://pastebin.com/yGz9Li89 |
| 15:14.44 | thegoodcushion | daemonkeeper: looks like it's pretty official |
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| 15:14.45 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
| 15:14.54 | daemonkeeper | It is |
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| 15:15.25 | nvz | so is there a solution to this: http://paste.debian.net/116372/ or do I gotta play package manager and manually install 87 packages one at a time? |
| 15:15.29 | babilen | ZKPsirus: Try #ubuntu |
| 15:15.44 | babilen | ZKPsirus: Or install Debian and get support in here :) |
| 15:16.01 | thegoodcushion | daemonkeeper: Is the ARM port just being renamed? I mean, when you use ARM, you have to choose either big or little endian |
| 15:16.03 | nvz | I tried aptitude -f install, apt-get -f install, dpkg --pending --configure .. none of that had any different outcome |
| 15:16.03 | asarch | I have a system where the default locale is set to es_MX.UTF-8, however, I rather prefer to use en_US.UTF-8 for the administrative account, how can I override system's locale set? |
| 15:16.03 | themill | nvz: what caused that to happen? |
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| 15:16.29 | ZKPsirus | a) #ubuntu is way to crowded b) in ubuntu, it is always assumed that you can't open a terminal without your computer catching fire…gets old quickly |
| 15:16.30 | daemonkeeper | thegoodcushion: See first paragraph |
| 15:16.34 | DarkSun | salve |
| 15:16.37 | nvz | themill: fresh debootstrap of squeeze, I chrooted and did apt-get install apache2 mono-complete mysql-server php5 |
| 15:16.38 | daemonkeeper | ZKPsirus: We don't care |
| 15:16.41 | themill | thegoodcushion: no, the arm port was not renamed, it was discontinued. armel is a different, incompatible port. But you've already been told this. |
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| 15:16.53 | thegoodcushion | themill: right |
| 15:16.57 | thegoodcushion | I don't really understand it though |
| 15:16.58 | nvz | themill: mirror is http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian |
| 15:17.43 | ZKPsirus | understood…could have made your point nicer, though |
| 15:17.46 | asarch | Bingo! export LANGUAGE=$LANG |
| 15:18.15 | themill | ZKPsirus: if you think the terminal thing gets old, you should see how old the "ubuntu support is in #ubuntu" thing gets. |
| 15:18.27 | themill | nvz: you don't need to manually install these packages or anything -- you just need work out why mono-gac is unhappy |
| 15:18.59 | babilen | ZKPsirus: Excuse me, it was not my intention to be rude. You are more than welcome to try Debian, but we are unfortunately not able to support Ubuntu in here. Good luck! |
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| 15:19.27 | ZKPsirus | Alright, will do… |
| 15:19.37 | ZKPsirus | thanks for clarifying |
| 15:19.46 | babilen | np |
| 15:20.57 | nvz | themill: I'm reading but not gathering what its problem is.. its just bitching about certain dll's failing to install and not saying why |
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| 15:22.08 | themill | nvz: I presume you've checked things like the disk being full |
| 15:22.50 | nvz | themill: heh, nope.. seems that IS the problem.. I didn't think it was anywhere near full |
| 15:23.34 | nvz | themill: I just checked dmesg thinking the disk was failing, never occured to me it'd be full.. cause it had plenty of space (or so I thought) |
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| 15:24.06 | themill | mono-complete isn't small |
| 15:24.12 | nvz | apparently not.. |
| 15:24.55 | nvz | looks like I'll have to delete some videos..probably got a bunch of them I watched already... xfinity not working on linux causes me to have to torrent my shows that arent on hulu |
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| 15:25.47 | nvz | I say its comcast's fault.. if they don't want me stealing showtime, then they should make their crap work with linux.. heh |
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| 15:26.17 | robo | nevyn, seems that building every php-pear package I need will be a PITA because it seems pretty complicated |
| 15:26.28 | robo | i'm reading http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/x60.html |
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| 15:27.01 | nevyn | robo: right it's a pain in the ass. |
| 15:27.17 | nevyn | but for me in production it's worth it. |
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| 15:28.00 | robo | seems like someone should have a repository with most of this already done |
| 15:28.15 | johndo | what is /var/lib/dpkg/available used for exactly and which package information is it supposed to contain? |
| 15:28.43 | johndo | the packages you have installed or the packages which are available from you sources.list repositories? |
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| 15:29.50 | robo | nevyn, do you have any notes on building a pecl-php package? I'm not really sure where I need to put all the files |
| 15:30.12 | robo | I suppose I could setup a dev machine and do a normal pecl install and see where everything goes |
| 15:30.17 | nvz | themill: actually thats apparently NOT the problem.. disk was saying 100% but had 1.3gb free, and now has over 2G free |
| 15:30.47 | nvz | themill: I will check my reserved blocks but that shouldnt matter for dpkg that runs as root |
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| 15:31.10 | nevyn | robo: if you don't have the capability or the time and it's not a problem. |
| 15:31.50 | themill | johndo: both; dpkg(1) describes this package a bit (search for available) |
| 15:32.00 | robo | nevyn, what's the downside of not having the pear-php package registered with the dpkg? |
| 15:32.41 | themill | nvz: hmm.... the packagers in #debian-cli on oftc might have some clues then. Be nice to them as it is a devel channel not a user support channel normally, but they are usually ok with looking at these sorts of problems. |
| 15:33.02 | nevyn | robo: you have two package managers. |
| 15:33.14 | nvz | themill: I'd think 2GB free is plenty of space |
| 15:33.20 | robo | yeah, that does kinda suck |
| 15:33.46 | themill | nvz: indeed. So there's some other breakage involved. |
| 15:33.48 | nevyn | robo: package discovery and auditing tools generally don't know to or how to query cpan/pear/gems |
| 15:34.30 | nvz | themill: well I will see about that channel you seuggested. I just installed mono-complete on this system a week or so ago in squeeze with no problems |
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| 15:34.54 | nevyn | robo: I'm talking the likes of BMC/CA/blah type tools you may not care about them. |
| 15:35.02 | nvz | themill: I probably don't even need mono-complete I just dont know enough about mono to know what I need and thats seemed like the easiest way to get everything |
| 15:35.16 | themill | robo: there's a dh-make-php package that might be helpful |
| 15:35.31 | robo | themill, just found a page about that. Ty for the headsup |
| 15:35.40 | robo | dh-make-pecl too |
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| 15:36.25 | themill | robo: yes, both the pear and pecl helpers are in the dh-make-php package. They don't necessarily make perfect packages, but they're better than nothing a lot of the time |
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| 15:37.21 | robo | What do you mean by they dont' make perfect packages? Perfect as in it's buggy after it's built, or perfect as in I'll need to sometimes change a few things before it'll build? |
| 15:38.31 | nevyn | robo: it's a quality thing. |
| 15:38.51 | themill | robo: imperfect as in they might not express the dependencies between packages correctly and that it won't have a nice package description like a good debian package would. |
| 15:39.08 | themill | robo: btw you'll find many pear and pecl packages already in debian. Search there first. |
| 15:39.09 | robo | ah, gotcha |
| 15:39.18 | robo | I'm looking for oci8 |
| 15:39.31 | robo | I don't think that exists. Though, I am surprised it's not -- if it's really not |
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| 15:40.23 | mah454 | How i can config system with pam for multiple enter password when user login ? |
| 15:40.28 | themill | robo: php-db and php5-adodb contain oci8 drivers -- I don't know if they're the ones you want though. Look at their descriptions and the files they contain. |
| 15:42.12 | robo | ah, nice themill :-) |
| 15:42.57 | themill | robo: "apt-cache search oci8"... not as clever as it sounds :þ |
| 15:43.43 | robo | i did that and didn't see any oci8 packages. I didn't think to check the details :-) |
| 15:44.38 | johndo | themill: is /var/lib/dpkg/available a status file or only a cache file? |
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| 15:45.03 | johndo | my file contains very outdated package informations and there are different proposals to restore this file |
| 15:45.22 | themill | johndo: aiui, cache only. And only used by dselect and some tools like grep-available. |
| 15:45.39 | DJ-VISAGE | Good morning folks, I do have new headache for you... :/ hope you can help: http://pics.xxfx.org/images/xxfx/proxify.jpg |
| 15:45.42 | jelly-home | and dpkg -l |
| 15:45.47 | johndo | dselect update and apt-cache create different files, which are even larger than my current file |
| 15:45.47 | dselect | johndo: what are you talking about? |
| 15:46.01 | johndo | and i'm somewhat hesitent to clutter up the file even more |
| 15:46.05 | bzed | johndo: I think you want to look into /var/lib/dpkg/status - not sure what you want to do, though |
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| 15:46.32 | themill | jelly-home: doesn't that use the status file not the available file? |
| 15:46.49 | johndo | bzed: i get warnings about incomplete entries in /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 15:47.15 | johndo | and these entries are very outdated (netscape 477 and such stuff) |
| 15:47.17 | bzed | DJ-VISAGE: instead of showing weird pics you might want to explin what you really want to do and why you think you need some prxy stuff here |
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| 15:47.50 | bzed | johndo: and normally, you should never need to touch that file manually. |
| 15:47.52 | johndo | themill: so clearing the file, which is also supposed somewhere, should be ok? |
| 15:48.17 | jelly-home | themill: hm. I don't think all the un package come from status |
| 15:48.23 | themill | johndo: backups never hurt, but yes. It would be recreated with the next apt-get update. |
| 15:48.24 | johndo | bzed: i know, *should*, but when it's corrupt i have to do something ;) |
| 15:48.43 | johndo | themill: sure i will keep a backup :) |
| 15:49.16 | themill | jelly-home: I thought they were in status still (until purged) |
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| 15:49.46 | DJ-VISAGE | bzed to connect the debian to net |
| 15:49.49 | jelly-home | those _are_ purged or never been installed |
| 15:50.03 | themill | jelly-home: pn? |
| 15:50.17 | bzed | DJ-VISAGE: why would you need a proxy on that other machine? |
| 15:50.25 | johndo | jelly-home: dpkg -l works correctly even with an empty available file |
| 15:50.35 | jelly-home | themill: ^un is what I was thinking of |
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| 15:50.38 | themill | jelly-home: but strace suggests that available is used by dpkg -l and not status. |
| 15:50.49 | jelly-home | themill: they both are open()ed |
| 15:50.57 | bzed | DJ-VISAGE: connect them to the same network, set the same default route on the linux machine, and you are done |
| 15:51.26 | DJ-VISAGE | both are connected with switch that have no internet on it |
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| 15:51.49 | themill | jelly-home: yes, you are right. I don't have an "un" packages anywhere though. dunno. |
| 15:51.53 | bzed | DJ-VISAGE: where does the internet come from then? |
| 15:52.02 | DJ-VISAGE | the laptop |
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| 15:52.20 | jelly-home | I guess dpkg got rid of those sometime along the line |
| 15:52.31 | bzed | DJ-VISAGE: *sigh*. and how does the internet come to the laptop? with pigeons? |
| 15:52.51 | DJ-VISAGE | thru the http proxy |
| 15:53.03 | DJ-VISAGE | if you know what the ccproxy does... |
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| 15:53.38 | themill | !ccproxy |
| 15:53.45 | asarch | !distcc |
| 15:53.45 | dpkg | distcc is, like, the Distributed C Compiler: http://distcc.samba.org/ A howto for Debian is here: http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-distcc.php which allows you to load balance large compiles (kernels, etc) across two or more locally networked systems |
| 15:54.09 | asarch | The Debian machine is blocking all distcc connections |
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| 15:54.23 | bzed | DJ-VISAGE: .... and where does the ccproxy have the internet from? |
| 15:54.37 | DJ-VISAGE | bzed Wireless |
| 15:54.48 | thewanderer1 | note: the debian howto linked in this factoid yields a 404 :P |
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| 15:54.54 | zumbi_ | the howto distcc is 404 |
| 15:55.06 | bzed | DJ-VISAGE: why do you need a prxy then? |
| 15:55.12 | thewanderer1 | the correct URL is http://myrddin.org/howto/using-distcc-with-debian/ |
| 15:55.15 | nvz | themill: resolved the issue with help from #debian-cli, turns out mono requires /dev/shm and /proc access.. binding /dev/ and /proc/ inside the chroot solved it the issue has been noted by the developers for possible chroot checks in the package installs |
| 15:55.53 | themill | dpkg, distcc =~ s,http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-distcc.php,http://myrddin.org/howto/using-distcc-with-debian/, |
| 15:55.53 | dpkg | OK, themill |
| 15:55.57 | berserkr | how can a remove a package installed with easy_install (python-setuptools) |
| 15:56.04 | DJ-VISAGE | [10:49:44] -=[DJ-VISAGE]=- bzed to connect the debian to internet |
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| 15:56.41 | themill | nvz: I was wondering if it needed shm access based on other things I'd read -- I didn't realise it would need proc as well. Good work : |
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| 15:57.11 | bzed | DJ-VISAGE: no, you don't. |
| 15:57.17 | bzed | DJ-VISAGE: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306126 |
| 15:57.21 | robo | themill, I can't seem to find http://pecl.php.net/package/solr -- the php solr package. Think this is one I need to manually build? |
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| 15:57.24 | nvz | themill: thanks for pointing me in the right direction.. it never occured to me that anything I was doing would need access to those |
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| 15:57.34 | bzed | DJ-VISAGE: this is obviously a windows question. please go to something like #windows |
| 15:57.41 | wols | DJ-VISAGE: what OS does your laptop run? |
| 15:57.52 | DJ-VISAGE | XP Pro |
| 15:58.21 | wols | DJ-VISAGE: use ICS (your debian setup will have to use DHCP then). for further questions about this, ask ##windows |
| 15:58.42 | DJ-VISAGE | bzed I didn't want to share the whole connection just some services |
| 15:58.56 | DJ-VISAGE | wols thanks |
| 15:58.59 | bzed | DJ-VISAGE: go to ##windows and ask about firewalls and similar stuff then. |
| 15:59.11 | DJ-VISAGE | ok thanks |
| 15:59.12 | wols | DJ-VISAGE: if you insist on using the SOCKS proxy, use proxychains on debian |
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| 15:59.52 | wols | that is for stuff which doesn't allow proxies by default. apt, iceweasel and the like all allow internet access via socks, so nothing special needed |
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| 16:00.02 | mah454 | How i can config system with try enter password for login ? (PAM) |
| 16:00.30 | wols | mah454: they system asks for passwords for login by default. nothing to configure |
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| 16:01.44 | mah454 | wols double enter password for login ... |
| 16:01.55 | erle- | when do you expect gnome3 in sid? |
| 16:02.21 | wols | erle-: /msg dpkg wir /msg dpkg siyh |
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| 16:02.41 | wols | mah454: why would you want to enter the same password twice? |
| 16:03.02 | wols | mah454: what's your native language, maybe in it you can make yourself understood a bit better |
| 16:03.05 | Groundy | I'm looking for some assistance with poco, 1.3.6p1-1+b1 is broken (linked wrong), 1.3.6p1-1 is fine, 1.3.6p2-1 is on mentors |
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| 16:03.07 | mah454 | wols only question ... |
| 16:03.10 | johndo | it looks like dpkg adds the description of packages to /var/lib/dpkg/available when it installs packages, but probably never cleans up that file |
| 16:03.22 | johndo | maybe cleaning up that file is even a good idea ;) |
| 16:03.37 | alphamail | i need help installing live debian to usb |
| 16:04.07 | wols | alphamail: shouldn't you just install normal debian to your usb drive? why live? |
| 16:04.21 | themill | johndo: cleaning that file is supposed to be automatic (from squeeze onwards). Perhaps it doesn't automatically clean it up if it finds errors in the file though. |
| 16:05.31 | Groundy | (correction, +b1 is fine, +b2 is broken) |
| 16:05.32 | johndo | themill: ok, i'll watch squeeze if it's doing its supposed job properly :) |
| 16:05.35 | Zuu | I have troubles installing xen-linux-system on debian. I did try search google but did not find any help. I tried digging in myself, and only comes as far as to guess that theres something wrong with /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig because that's where the "/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no such disk." error comes from (line 30 in the paste). http://pastebin.com/C5NNxTsh |
| 16:05.49 | alphamail | i couldnt get the normal one working |
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| 16:05.53 | Zuu | I hope someone can help me out |
| 16:06.07 | alphamail | i got an error 'incorrect cd-rom detected' |
| 16:06.39 | rizzeh | Zuu, What debian, squeeze, wheezy? |
| 16:06.56 | Zuu | squeeze |
| 16:07.01 | alphamail | the error appears during installation right after the language setup |
| 16:07.50 | gnugr | !tell Zuu -about xen |
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| 16:08.20 | ertryeh | Hi. |
| 16:08.22 | ertryeh | #supremos |
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| 16:08.25 | tryrtgir | Hi. |
| 16:08.25 | ertryeh | #supremos |
| 16:08.27 | tryrtgir | #supremos |
| 16:08.28 | ertryeh | #supremos |
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| 16:08.30 | cerer | Hi. |
| 16:08.30 | tryrtgir | #supremos |
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| 16:08.32 | cerer | #supremos |
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| 16:08.35 | wols | alphamail: and how did you create said usb stick? |
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| 16:08.35 | tjfonta1ne | Hi. |
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| 16:08.40 | monkq | Hi. |
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| 16:08.54 | alphamail | i have the usb partitioned into two |
| 16:09.00 | alphamail | one is 16.x gb with puppy on it |
| 16:09.09 | alphamail | the other 1.7gb is fat32 |
| 16:09.18 | alphamail | it has the kernel initrd and the iso on it |
| 16:09.33 | rizzeh | Zuu, any particular reason why you need Zen on stable distro? |
| 16:09.38 | alphamail | the kernel is booting into installation |
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| 16:09.59 | Zuu | rizzeh, no |
| 16:10.04 | alphamail | then after the language setup process i get that error |
| 16:10.15 | rizzeh | the system will no longer be stable, u know |
| 16:10.27 | alphamail | i read the documentation and i was doing just what it said |
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| 16:10.30 | Zuu | im really just looking for _any possible way to get that stupid pos xen working_ |
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| 16:10.40 | rizzeh | better bet is install wheezy and use smxi.org scripts to get latest kernel |
| 16:11.02 | rizzeh | or get .38 backported kernel for squeeze |
| 16:11.15 | Zuu | already spent weeks woth other distroes, primarily ArchLinux, then opensuse and today i decided to give it another go and tried Debian |
| 16:11.20 | Zuu | *with |
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| 16:12.09 | rizzeh | look at smxi.org for install scripts, but i would't advise to use them with stable release |
| 16:12.12 | Zuu | rizzeh, that sounds like instant doom to me |
| 16:13.06 | spersaud | Zuu: stick with Debian its the best, other distros might fix minor quirks, but the rest is not that good, Im still on lenny on my desktop |
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| 16:13.21 | metalfan_ | hi |
| 16:13.36 | Zuu | spersaud, if it's so good, you mist have the solution? |
| 16:13.39 | Zuu | *must |
| 16:14.11 | rizzeh | Zuu, if u dont have a reason to have latest kernel - dont install it |
| 16:14.30 | Zuu | what the freak else would i install ? |
| 16:14.38 | Zuu | a 10 year old kernel? |
| 16:14.53 | rizzeh | i have latest on one of the boxes only so new hardware gets supported, otherwise .32 is fine |
| 16:14.54 | metalfan_ | im planning to upgrade from lenny to squeeze. this is a quadcore system, one drive (sda), sda1 = root, sda2 = home, sda3 = swap. for some reason the hoster has installed lilo instead of grub. the upgrade documentation says that it might go wrong, but i guess this is a pretty standard box...am i right? |
| 16:15.07 | Zuu | my hardware is brand new |
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| 16:15.28 | Zuu | only existed for like... 4 months |
| 16:15.37 | rizzeh | is your hardware supported by default .32 kernel? |
| 16:15.43 | Zuu | no |
| 16:15.58 | Zuu | i installed my NIC from sources for instance |
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| 16:16.12 | rizzeh | then get instead debian wheezy install, not squeeze |
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| 16:16.35 | Zuu | and what exactly would i gain by installing that? |
| 16:16.55 | rizzeh | latest packages |
| 16:17.11 | rizzeh | squeeze packages are old but stable |
| 16:17.21 | Zuu | why dotn the lastest release of Debian have hte lastes packages? |
| 16:17.30 | Zuu | :S |
| 16:17.42 | johndo | metalfan_: as your disks are already sdX and not hdX there shouldn't go much wrong |
| 16:17.44 | rizzeh | cuz latest packages are not thoroughly tested |
| 16:17.50 | Zuu | that's extremely counter intuitive |
| 16:17.59 | johndo | metalfan_: but you of coursew can switch from lilo to grub before you upgrade |
| 16:18.07 | themill | Zuu: they do have the latest packages -- the latest that were available when the release was prepared. /msg dpkg stable |
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| 16:18.25 | rizzeh | Zuu, you need to read up more on what debian is all about.. it is not arch ;) |
| 16:18.39 | Zuu | i dont have time to read |
| 16:18.47 | rizzeh | lol |
| 16:18.52 | metalfan_ | johndo, was lilo the default back then? |
| 16:18.56 | rizzeh | good luck then ;) |
| 16:19.00 | Zuu | i _just_ want a xen system that work, just for once! |
| 16:19.29 | metalfan_ | Zuu, linux is not about "no time to read" linux is about the solution that fits you best |
| 16:19.33 | johndo | metalfan_: lilo was default only up to etch i think, since then grub is default |
| 16:19.35 | Zuu | and apparently no distro i have come across so far have been able to give me that |
| 16:19.39 | daemonkeeper | Well, I use Debian stable a lot for Xen. |
| 16:19.47 | Zuu | metalfan_, please do tell me then |
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| 16:20.02 | Zuu | tell me exactly what solution that will give me a working xen system |
| 16:20.11 | themill | Zuu: maybe the reason you can't find one that "works" is because you've not read the documentation on what you need to do... |
| 16:20.11 | Zuu | because other people told me to use Debian |
| 16:20.19 | rizzeh | the solution is RTFM! |
| 16:20.24 | Zuu | and other other people told me to use opensuse |
| 16:20.38 | bzed | Zuu: go and read a documentation. give it a try and then come and ask questions to have the problems you run into solved. |
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| 16:20.43 | Zuu | themill, thats the one thing i care to read |
| 16:20.51 | metalfan_ | Zuu, and they all gave you the right solution. its just not meant to run out of the box |
| 16:20.59 | daemonkeeper | On either decision you need to start reading sooner or later. You want http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/xen-linux-system-2.6-xen-amd64 |
| 16:21.00 | metalfan_ | Zuu, what you want is windows |
| 16:21.17 | johndo | Zuu: that's the bad thing with linux, you have to chose yourself ;) |
| 16:21.18 | Zuu | metalfan_, i did ask for something that ran out of the box, and those where the answers i got |
| 16:21.20 | bzed | Zuu: also if you have shiny new hardwar,e you might want to look into using kvm instead of xen |
| 16:21.20 | rizzeh | metalfan_is correct |
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| 16:21.50 | Zuu | is in no need of this attempt at a lecture about linux |
| 16:21.56 | bzed | Zuu: if you google for kvm virtmanager debian howto or somthing like that, I'm sure it will show you an easy way to set it up |
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| 16:22.01 | rizzeh | Zuu is a troll? |
| 16:22.13 | Zuu | bzed, i dont want kvm |
| 16:22.18 | metalfan_ | Zuu, i dont want to say that those people lied, but ive used linux 10 years ago until now ... as a user ... not a developer, but you need to read things from time to time |
| 16:22.21 | bzed | Zuu: because? |
| 16:22.45 | Zuu | metalfan_, i've used it for... 7 as a user and developer |
| 16:23.06 | metalfan_ | Zuu, then you will know what todo |
| 16:23.08 | bzed | rizzeh: for sure. |
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| 16:23.19 | daemonkeeper | Zuu: Why don't you stop trolling and either install xen-linux-system-2.6-xen-$arch and start reading, or you install XCP on your server and click around by not reading anything. Period. |
| 16:24.14 | Zuu | if my patience wasnt already run out, it soon will. Anyone who are interrested in actually helping with the current problem are welcome. The rest i'll just have to ignore. |
| 16:24.40 | rizzeh | Zuu needs to start help himself before anyone else |
| 16:24.41 | daemonkeeper | /You/ want help, not us |
| 16:25.10 | Zuu | Here's the description again for those who forgot: I have troubles installing xen-linux-system on debian. I did try search google but did not find any help. I tried digging in myself, and only comes as far as to guess that theres something wrong with /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig because that's where the "/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no such disk." error comes from (line 30 in the paste). http://pastebin.com/C5NNxTsh |
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| 16:26.27 | Zuu | daemonkeeper, you dont have to answer, i dont want _your_ help anyways. |
| 16:26.47 | daemonkeeper | Fair enough |
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| 16:29.26 | \amethyst | Zuu: are you using encrypted filesystems in your VM? |
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| 16:29.46 | Zuu | \amethyst, nope, i am however using LVM |
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| 16:30.11 | robo | hi: i ran an apt-cache depends php5-dev and it shows this. http://pastie.org/1878319 -- Conflicts: libtool -- I'm not exactly sure what it's saying about libtool. Any insights? |
| 16:30.21 | kipmacy | i know this is a little silly but i remember there used to be a debian package exclusively for backing up /etc on a a bunch of machines, anyone have an idea what it is called? |
| 16:30.29 | bzed | Zuu: is your /boot on lvm? |
| 16:30.31 | Zuu | \amethyst, its not a VM btw, it's bar emetal |
| 16:30.42 | Zuu | *bare metal |
| 16:30.46 | bzed | kipmacy: maybe etckeeper? |
| 16:30.48 | Zuu | bzed, yes |
| 16:30.55 | bzed | Zuu: never do that |
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| 16:31.01 | Zuu | works fine |
| 16:31.08 | bzed | Zuu: while it is supported in theory by grub2, it will result in such issues... |
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| 16:31.32 | bzed | Zuu: always put /boot on a partition |
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| 16:31.38 | Zuu | so this issue is an effect of grub residing on a lvm volume? |
| 16:32.09 | bzed | Zuu: I'd guess so. you could try to debug it a bit more, though, but that would be my guess definitely. |
| 16:32.42 | \amethyst | Zuu: hm... was that /boot mounted when you installed the package? |
| 16:32.56 | Zuu | i certainly hope so |
| 16:33.16 | Zuu | it is, yes |
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| 16:37.06 | cheater93 | hey guys |
| 16:37.13 | cheater93 | why would chown -R not catch some files? |
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| 16:37.45 | cheater93 | i do sudo chown -R user:user mydir however some files deep in the directory structure are still owned by root:root |
| 16:38.06 | \amethyst | are they actually in the directory structure, or are they behind symlinks? |
| 16:38.09 | jelly-home | cheater93: normal files? |
| 16:38.22 | cheater93 | yes |
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| 16:38.49 | thewanderer1 | and this is on what kind of filesystem? |
| 16:38.56 | cheater93 | actually - they're inside a chroot sort of thing i think |
| 16:38.59 | cheater93 | called virtualenv |
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| 16:39.04 | thewanderer1 | heh... |
| 16:39.32 | cheater93 | i tried both on ntfs where they were and on ext3 where they are now |
| 16:39.37 | cheater93 | no go |
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| 16:40.53 | \amethyst | cheater93: no warning messages from chown? |
| 16:41.05 | cheater93 | nope |
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| 16:41.27 | thewanderer1 | cheater93: if you chown the files manually one by one, does it work? |
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| 16:41.57 | cheater93 | yes |
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| 16:43.10 | thewanderer1 | sounds like symlinks indeed... |
| 16:43.17 | navi | what's the use of Open Port 111 / rpcbind |
| 16:43.18 | navi | ? |
| 16:43.22 | \amethyst | hm... and I suppose no FUSE mounts or something similar that would prevent root from accessing part of the tree |
| 16:43.30 | cheater93 | nope, not symlinks |
| 16:43.45 | cheater93 | ls -la showed no link target |
| 16:43.53 | \amethyst | navi: It's the replacement for portmap; it's used for assigning ports to some services like NFS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portmap |
| 16:44.01 | \amethyst | cheater93: not the file itself |
| 16:44.01 | cheater93 | besides i've done chown -hR too and that didn't help either |
| 16:44.05 | cheater93 | -h is for symlink |
| 16:44.08 | \amethyst | cheater93: one of the directories on their way to it |
| 16:44.16 | cheater93 | but -h.. |
| 16:44.29 | \amethyst | that doesn't mean "follow symlinks when recursing" |
| 16:44.32 | cheater93 | oh hm |
| 16:44.35 | cheater93 | interesting.. |
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| 16:45.09 | johndo | navi: you can check which services it advertises with: rpcinfo -p |
| 16:45.21 | daemonkeeper | navi: Well, rpcbind? |
| 16:45.35 | navi | yes, is it fine if its open? |
| 16:45.42 | daemonkeeper | If you real question was: What is RPC bind, thenn see rpcbind(8) |
| 16:45.46 | daemonkeeper | *then |
| 16:45.47 | navi | I mean its fine for my server's security? |
| 16:45.52 | johndo | navi: to the internet? better not |
| 16:46.03 | daemonkeeper | navi: Depends, it is used by NFS. |
| 16:46.04 | \amethyst | depends on what rpcbind -p says and whether you want those services accessible over that network |
| 16:46.18 | navi | NFS Game or what? |
| 16:46.29 | daemonkeeper | The Network File System game |
| 16:46.36 | navi | how should i disable it? |
| 16:46.47 | daemonkeeper | Do you use it? |
| 16:46.49 | navi | daemonkeeper, okay :) |
| 16:47.08 | navi | let me see first what's NFS |
| 16:47.56 | daemonkeeper | NFS is a file based remote file access protocol, similar to "Windows shares" (CIFS) |
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| 16:48.45 | daemonkeeper | Apparently there is a reason why you installed it, since Debian doesn't unless told so. |
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| 16:49.40 | \amethyst | following "suggest" dependencies could do that |
| 16:50.00 | daemonkeeper | recommends you mean perhaps. |
| 16:50.12 | themill | didn't fam/gamin drag it in as part of most desktop environments? |
| 16:50.14 | navi | daemonkeeper, I use my VPS for php,mysql,nginx and nothing else. I don't think NFS is needed, right? |
| 16:50.37 | daemonkeeper | themill: Yes, since it used on the NFS client as well. |
| 16:50.57 | daemonkeeper | navi: Well, try to remove the package rpcbind and see if you can live with the results |
| 16:50.58 | \amethyst | yeah, fam pulls it in, but there doesn't seem to be much that actually depends on fam |
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| 16:52.41 | \amethyst | but there are a lot of things that depend on libfam0, which Suggests: fam |
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| 16:54.09 | thewanderer1 | cheater93: --dereference ? :P |
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| 16:54.26 | hellojones | hi I tried to install xbmc but at every boot and after the installation I get this message: http://pastebin.ca/2055394 what can I do? |
| 16:54.46 | daemonkeeper | Ask the package provider, xbmc is not supported by Debian |
| 16:56.04 | daemonkeeper | I believe initctl is some upstart stuff, so you are most likely using an Ubuntu package. |
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| 16:56.37 | cheater93 | thewanderer1, i would check, but i just deleted them :p |
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| 16:56.52 | \amethyst | -R --dereference still doesn't follow symlinks that aren't explicitly named on the command line |
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| 16:57.14 | cheater93 | i guess it's a fall for find isn't it |
| 16:57.24 | \amethyst | yeah, find will do it |
| 16:58.19 | hellojones | its a package from http://debian-multimedia.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/debian-multimedia/ |
| 16:58.39 | \amethyst | sudo find -L . -exec chmod user:group {} + should do it |
| 16:58.43 | \amethyst | but be careful |
| 16:59.00 | \amethyst | consider: what if someone accidentally made a symlink to /usr |
| 16:59.25 | \amethyst | then you've chowned a lot more than you wanted |
| 16:59.38 | daemonkeeper | hellojones: As said, we can't and won't support external repositories. The package you are referring to is most likely for Ubuntu anyway |
| 16:59.50 | hellojones | I see |
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| 17:00.43 | thewanderer1 | anyone using Wheezy's GNOME and can tell me whether this Tracker thing is as bad as KDE's Nepomuk, which eats 250MB of disk space in $HOME and does nothing? |
| 17:00.43 | robo | i'm trying to build pecl solr. http://pecl.php.net/package/solr When I run debuild on it I get a dependency error. It says dpkg-buildpackage: warning: (Use -d flag to override.). I checked the dependencies using dpkg-checkbuilddeps and it says php4-dev and php5dev are dependencies. Think I can safely ignore those deps? |
| 17:00.50 | srinux | robo: rm -rf /* |
| 17:00.52 | daemonkeeper | hellojones: Note the error is not fatal, all you would need is to install a startup job for Debian yourself. Can't tell more. |
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| 17:01.28 | robo | srinux, ? |
| 17:01.36 | srinux | gay |
| 17:01.38 | srinux | :P |
| 17:01.39 | daemonkeeper | srinux: Stop giving harmful hints! |
| 17:01.56 | robo | so what should i do srinux ? |
| 17:02.11 | daemonkeeper | robo: First of all, ignore srinux's hints. |
| 17:02.19 | srinux | no |
| 17:02.21 | thewanderer1 | hint hint: his local username is a swear word. |
| 17:02.23 | srinux | first of all fuck you |
| 17:02.36 | daemonkeeper | !ops srinux wants to shut up |
| 17:02.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: daemonkeeper complains about: srinux wants to shut up |
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| 17:02.48 | daemonkeeper | thank you |
| 17:03.15 | robo | heh. |
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| 17:03.51 | robo | Any suggestions what I should do? If I run apt-cache depends php5-dev (which is a requirement of pecl solr) it gives me a libtool Conflict. So it seems I can't install php5-dev |
| 17:04.14 | daemonkeeper | Are you running stable? |
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| 17:04.32 | robo | Yes. However, pecl solr is beta -- if that matters |
| 17:04.59 | wols | ,versions php5-dev |
| 17:04.59 | judd | Package php5-dev on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny10; squeeze: 5.3.3-7; wheezy: 5.3.3-7; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze1; sid: 5.3.6-10 |
| 17:05.07 | daemonkeeper | Can you paste the output of apt-cache policy, and apt-get install php5-dev |
| 17:05.09 | wols | what is this conflict you get? |
| 17:05.28 | robo | wols, http://pastie.org/1878319 is the output |
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| 17:05.34 | thewanderer1 | robo: the conflict is for versions lower than 2.2, we have 2.2 already... |
| 17:06.27 | robo | oh doh!! this is ubuntu :-/. My bad guys. |
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| 17:06.50 | daemonkeeper | Well, ask in #ubuntu then. Answer won't be different perhaps. |
| 17:06.51 | robo | I'll ask in the ubuntu channel. Sorry abuot that |
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| 17:11.16 | joo_ | http://nopaste.php-q.net/15924 gives me this error in syslog: "Error: bad username; while reading /etc/crontab" - does anyone see any mistakes? |
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| 17:12.19 | \amethyst | joo_: line 13 has an extra field |
| 17:13.55 | joo_ | thank you... now i get some bad day of week error... is there some kind of automated check i can do on syntax to get the line numbers where the errors are? (except bugging You) :) ? |
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| 17:15.17 | daemonkeeper | You use that tool already if you are using "crontab" |
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| 17:15.52 | \amethyst | 'crontab' doesn't work on /etc/crontab though, does it? |
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| 17:16.15 | portnov | hi all |
| 17:16.18 | joo_ | ok i don't know that tool yet... i have been considering learning it for some years, but crontab has always worked fine |
| 17:16.24 | joo_ | i mean the file |
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| 17:16.58 | \amethyst | joo_: I don't see any problems in the week column... what did you change line 13 to? |
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| 17:17.09 | portnov | anyone tried to install liboverlay-scrollbars (nice scrollbars from ubuntu 11.04) into debian testing/unstable? |
| 17:17.21 | joo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.34 | Furai` | >80 |
| 17:17.48 | \amethyst | joo_: that's not the same line as I'm seeing in the paste |
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| 17:18.01 | \amethyst | joo_: I was talking about 00 00 * * * * root rt-crontool |
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| 17:18.18 | \amethyst | joo_: it has six time fields but should have 5 |
| 17:18.49 | joo_ | it should have intelligence ! i will consider it |
| 17:19.11 | joo_ | now i changed the wrong line |
| 17:19.36 | thewanderer1 | hm, maybe consider using a graphical crontab editor? :P |
| 17:20.49 | joo_ | this is getting very complicated... isn't that line i just pasted, line 13 on your computer screen? |
| 17:21.04 | ZKPsirus | I've been here earlier, and my harddrive issue persits, even on a fresh debian install. Here is the Dmesg output: http://pastebin.com/6yapdsFy Any help would be greatly appreciated |
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| 17:21.21 | \amethyst | joo_: I'm looking at: http://nopaste.php-q.net/15924 |
| 17:21.35 | \amethyst | joo_: the line that starts "48 2" is number 7 there |
| 17:21.35 | joo_ | I guess a graphical crontab editor would require a graphical interface, which would exhaust my good old server :( |
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| 17:22.08 | joo_ | damn... sorry mate, i am going to call some consultant now because i changed something else and now i can't remember |
| 17:22.27 | joo_ | but thanks a lot for your effort to help |
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| 17:32.27 | Bushmills | how would use of graphics help avoiding some of those mistakes? |
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| 17:37.41 | pep` | Good day |
| 17:38.03 | pep` | I was wondering, does anyone have any experience with installing xenomai patch on an amd64 kernel? |
| 17:38.06 | aussa | hi, how do I check the kernel has loaded the following: usbserial, usbcore, usb-storage, sr_mod and others to make the usb modem work... |
| 17:39.15 | wols | aussa: lsmod and checking /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 17:39.52 | cheater93 | wols, why are you using `` and not $()? |
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| 17:39.55 | daemonkeeper | And if not, there is always /etc/modules |
| 17:40.10 | daemonkeeper | cheater93: TMTOWTDI |
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| 17:41.13 | cheater93 | daemonkeeper, i don't understand your AIDU |
| 17:41.32 | daemonkeeper | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMTOWTDI (although this is not Perl related in this case) |
| 17:41.52 | cheater93 | ok well, i was repeatedly told $() has superceded `` |
| 17:41.57 | cheater93 | that's why i'm asking.. |
| 17:42.00 | wols | cheater93: if in doubt, ask dpkg |
| 17:42.14 | aussa | do I have to install usb-modeswitch to enable usb modem? |
| 17:42.20 | cheater93 | what would i ask dpkg? |
| 17:42.25 | daemonkeeper | !tmtowtdi |
| 17:42.26 | dpkg | There's More Than One Way To Do It (in Perl, or....) |
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| 17:43.03 | jhutchins_lt | ZKPsirus: We are just fellow users, mostly doing something else. Posting your entire bootlog doesn't really tell us what your problem is. |
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| 17:43.54 | Arrowmaster | cheater93: $() is preferred over `` but for simple stuff it doesnt matter |
| 17:44.25 | cheater93 | Arrowmaster, what is the actual reason it is preferred? |
| 17:44.31 | ZKPsirus | I'm having trouble with my harddrives, see the error messages at the end |
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| 17:45.21 | ZKPsirus | but I'm getting the feeling that it is "just" one of my harddrives dying, no debian issue I guess |
| 17:45.23 | Arrowmaster | cheater93: easier to nest |
| 17:45.27 | daemonkeeper | cheater93: /j #bash if your care enough |
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| 17:46.53 | cheater93 | never tried nesting `` |
| 17:47.01 | cheater93 | i guess it would be nasty? |
| 17:47.07 | robokop | cheater93: believe me keep it that way |
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| 17:47.16 | cheater93 | lol |
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| 17:55.53 | friese | hi |
| 17:56.43 | friese | i have an freshly installed squeeze and want to update it to testing. do i just need to change all "squeeze" to testing in sources.list and apt-get upgrade? |
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| 17:57.26 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: +tell friese -about squeeze->wheezy |
| 17:57.26 | wols | !tell friese about squeeze->wheezy |
| 17:57.27 | dpkg | told friese about squeeze->wheezy. |
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| 17:57.51 | Arrowmaster | well he just got spammed |
| 17:57.56 | friese | ok |
| 17:58.04 | aussa | do I have to install usb-modeswitch to enable usb modem? |
| 17:58.31 | friese | so, thanks wols and arrowmaster |
| 17:59.19 | wols | aussa: depends on the usb device |
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| 17:59.42 | friese | is testing/wheezy all that badly unstable or is it ok? how's it in comparison to ubuntu for example? |
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| 18:01.12 | Bushmills | how is ubuntu in comparison to stable? |
| 18:01.32 | daemonkeeper | Unsupported? |
| 18:01.35 | Bushmills | to testing, i mean |
| 18:02.10 | aussa | how do I download a .deb of package file in windows? I need to take to the pc with debian |
| 18:02.11 | alphamail | two days and i couldnt install debian on a usb |
| 18:02.28 | daemonkeeper | Bushmills, really, what answer do you except asking this in #debian? |
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| 18:02.56 | Bushmills | daemonkeeper: read one line up, to friese's question |
| 18:03.12 | babilen | aussa: http://packages.debian.org |
| 18:03.21 | daemonkeeper | Sorry, still true, but to another recipient ;) |
| 18:05.34 | aussa | I'm in there, but when I see the list under 'Download Source Package' I don't which to download, and do I have to build that from source? |
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| 18:06.36 | \amethyst | aussa: you don't want the source package |
| 18:06.44 | babilen | aussa: What are you trying to achieve? If you want to download a binary package, they are linked there. |
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| 18:06.58 | buhman | what's going on here and how might I diagnose the real problem? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/385315/ |
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| 18:07.29 | \amethyst | aussa: you go to the page for the package version you want http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libc6 then follow the "i386" link under "Download libc6" near the bottom of the page |
| 18:07.34 | daemonkeeper | buhman: Unless you are a programmer not really. You could try to provide the developer helpful hints. |
| 18:07.41 | \amethyst | aussa: that will take you to a list of mirrors |
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| 18:08.01 | buhman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:08.44 | daemonkeeper | buhman: Possibly. Its of course a memory issue, which could be triggered by an incompatible linking/library |
| 18:08.48 | \amethyst | aussa: you'll also need to get all the dependencies (the packages with red dots next to their names) that aren't already on the machine... and the dependencies' dependencies, and so on |
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| 18:10.12 | babilen | !tell aussa -about apt-zip |
| 18:10.26 | babilen | aussa: Also read about the two other tools referenced in there |
| 18:10.37 | babilen | aussa: That might simplify matters a bit. |
| 18:11.40 | rgr | ok finally my system is back after the fatal acceptance that it was safe to grow a lvm volume on a live system ... so I have my NEW LVM all up and running. I have two spare sata drivers plugged in and unassigned. What are the recommended back up stragegies? new LVM? Or simply format a device and rsnapshot it regularly? Or can I rsync/rsnapshot between LVMs? There are too many possibilities. What would you do? |
| 18:11.53 | rgr | s/drivers/drives |
| 18:13.10 | wols | babilen: how do you use apt-zip when your apt index doesn't have the packages you want? |
| 18:13.32 | babilen | wols: magic! |
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| 18:13.47 | wols | babilen: apt only works if your package index is up to date, hence apt-zip was always utterly useless for me |
| 18:13.55 | babilen | wols: But seriously: I asked myself the same question shortly after invoking the factoid. :) |
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| 18:14.14 | babilen | wols: Yes, totally agree. Excuse the spam :) |
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| 18:14.57 | wols | babilen: nah. just pissed off after I had to get a new debian install online yesterday and there was no way to download the packages incl. dependencies comfortably |
| 18:15.17 | wols | unless you have a debian machine around with the exact same debian version |
| 18:15.37 | babilen | wols: it is ok, thanks for pointing it out. |
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| 18:23.37 | user2 | I have php file in a directory, I did chmod a+rx for both the directory and the file, yet when I load it I get a blank page. What can I do to troubleshoot the problem? |
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| 18:23.53 | bre | hi all |
| 18:24.01 | user2 | hi |
| 18:24.01 | bre | is tomcat 7 in testing or unstable? |
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| 18:24.24 | wols | ,versions tomcat |
| 18:24.25 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'tomcat' was found in i386. |
| 18:24.37 | wols | bre: check packages.debian.org yourself |
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| 18:25.13 | user2 | [2011-04-29] tomcat6 6.0.32-3 MIGRATED to testing (Britney) |
| 18:25.15 | user2 | [2011-04-19] Accepted 6.0.32-3 in unstable (low) (tony mancill) |
| 18:25.24 | themill | bre: no |
| 18:25.27 | bre | shit |
| 18:25.28 | bre | ;-) |
| 18:25.29 | simonlnu | is an athlon thunderbird cpu a k6 or k7? |
| 18:25.32 | user2 | http://packages.qa.debian.org/t/tomcat6.html - it's in testing now |
| 18:26.05 | wols | simonlnu: k7. k6 is the strangely named k6-3 and the like |
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| 18:26.11 | user2 | wols: themill, ideas on my question please? |
| 18:26.15 | simonlnu | thank you wols |
| 18:26.24 | themill | dpkg: tell user2 about install php |
| 18:26.35 | user2 | php is installed |
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| 18:27.01 | bre | tomcat 7 supports servlet 3.0 |
| 18:27.06 | bre | would be nice to try it out |
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| 18:28.18 | user2 | any other ideas? |
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| 18:28.33 | themill | user2: not unless you provide some details |
| 18:28.39 | user2 | like? |
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| 18:29.51 | themill | user2: what is in the page that the browser shows? what's in the web server logs? what versions of the packages are you using? where is the file located? what is the filename? ("I get a blank page" is somewhat lacking) |
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| 18:30.40 | macrobat | and what's in the file? |
| 18:30.40 | olspookishmagus_ | hello, is this recommended: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=610483 (to create a bug report addressing various issues of different context that to create a bug report for each issue or at least group the issues in concept groups) |
| 18:30.43 | iluminator101 | Hey, How Do I Import Public Holidays to Gnome calendar or date and time? |
| 18:31.30 | user2 | the page contains no information and view -> source also shows a blank page; I don't have access to server logs; php v.5.3.3; the file is in ~/public_html/dir/ and another file in that ~/public_html directory works; the filename is install.php |
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| 18:31.57 | themill | !php userdir |
| 18:31.57 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, mod_php is disabled in <userdir> (public_html). See /usr/share/doc/php5-common/NEWS.Debian.gz |
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| 18:32.16 | themill | user2: ^^ but if you don't have access to logs, you probably don't have the ability to enable that either |
| 18:32.57 | user2 | themill: can these news be read somewhere at a website, please? |
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| 18:33.18 | themill | olspookishmagus_: one bug per bug report is usually preferred. |
| 18:33.48 | themill | user2: http://pastebin.com/Fv4dFHaJ |
| 18:34.01 | olspookishmagus | themill: OK, thanks |
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| 18:34.36 | user2 | themill: how does that concur with that another php file in that directory works? |
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| 18:38.04 | wols | user2: then maybe your php file is very faulty and doesn't output anything? |
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| 18:39.02 | user2 | I'm trying to install fluxbb, so I'd assume that their install.php file isn't faulty enough to output no error at all and just a blank page instead |
| 18:39.11 | user2 | you can read it if you like, it's open source |
| 18:39.52 | user2 | if you know another forum system which doesn't require mysql, go ahead and I'll try it |
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| 18:41.23 | eflynn | is it bad to run irc as root? |
| 18:41.36 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.42 | eflynn | why |
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| 18:42.06 | petemc | because any problems with your irc client can give root access |
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| 18:42.17 | eflynn | oh |
| 18:42.17 | wols | cause irc clients are usually not the most hardened pieces of software |
| 18:42.31 | petemc | its bad idea to most things as root, if it its possible to do them as a normal user |
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| 18:43.07 | eflynn | but i like my r00t |
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| 18:44.07 | petemc | no one is going to stop you doing what you want, some channels dont allow root to join tho |
| 18:44.41 | eflynn | petemc: but here's the crux of it |
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| 18:44.47 | eflynn | petemc: how would they even tell |
| 18:45.01 | petemc | your irc client shows your username |
| 18:45.10 | petemc | look at the people joining and leaving |
| 18:45.30 | eflynn | ok i guess i'm just an irc n00b |
| 18:45.40 | user2 | welcome to irc I guess |
| 18:45.42 | \amethyst | I thought that came from ident, not the IRC client |
| 18:45.53 | \amethyst | oh, right, the ~ version comes from the client |
| 18:45.55 | petemc | hardly anyone runs ident |
| 18:46.01 | user2 | anything Internet-related shouldn't be run as root, and irc indeed does show your IP |
| 18:46.18 | eflynn | well i'm behind a router |
| 18:46.28 | user2 | does it change anything? :) |
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| 18:48.27 | tartax | ACPI issue: I have a file in /etc/acpi/low_battery_warning.sh with the content: |
| 18:48.40 | wols | eflynn: a router doesn't protect you against this attack at all: your irc client has a connection to a (possibly) harmful network. therefore the router is meaningless |
| 18:48.43 | tartax | event=battery.* \n action=/etc/acpi/low_battery_warning.sh %e |
| 18:49.41 | tartax | however /etc/acpi/low_battery_warning.sh is never executed, any ideas where to start looking for the culprit? I'm lost |
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| 18:51.27 | ssfdre38 | what is the pix size for background-login.svg |
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| 18:52.31 | wols | erm, it's a vector file, no? |
| 18:52.51 | ssfdre38 | i think so |
| 18:53.08 | wols | then your question is meaningless |
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| 18:54.37 | scrieler | is here anybody with postfix and dovecot? |
| 18:54.48 | wols | scrieler: ask your real question |
| 18:55.17 | scrieler | need a user.group list for the /var files |
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| 18:55.36 | scrieler | my user and groups are crashed |
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| 18:58.40 | indigo_ | Is there a way for Debian *not* to start services by default after installation? |
| 18:58.50 | themill | !policy-rc.d |
| 18:58.50 | dpkg | [policy-rc.d] a mechanism which allows you to prevent certain init scripts from being run. See http://people.debian.org/~hmh/invokerc.d-policyrc.d-specification.txt and <invoke-rc.d>. To disable all daemon starts and stops during package installation, use http://paste.debian.net/75816/, but note that would have consequences that you probably don't like, so tailoring it to your needs to only skip certain daemons would be advised. |
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| 18:59.02 | ohwow | YesHello |
| 19:00.02 | indigo_ | themill: Thanks :) |
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| 19:01.42 | tartax | what is the up-to-date way of telling your debian-box to `do something` on low battery? |
| 19:01.58 | hellojones | I have a debian squeeze network install, what package do I need to install to get sound via alsa working? |
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| 19:04.30 | rgr | it should be there by default |
| 19:04.52 | rgr | tartax: power management settings |
| 19:05.01 | wols | !tell hellojones about alsa checklist |
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| 19:05.56 | hellojones | so there is no such thing like: apt-get install alsa? |
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| 19:07.53 | tartax | apt-get install alsa-base |
| 19:07.59 | mns | anyone able to upload files to Google Docs from their Debain system ? I can do it from a WinXP VM I've got, but not from Debian/testing. I've tried with Chrome and Iceweasel. |
| 19:08.47 | tartax | rgr: i don't use kde or gnome-power-manager. |
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| 19:10.55 | iluminator101 | is there a way i can set the default calender in gnome desktop from evolution to iceowl in gnome? |
| 19:12.18 | ellisgeek | I am looking for old computers that you are just going to have to pay money to get recycled any ways. I am willing to pick up these unwanted towers. All models, and years accepted. |
| 19:12.25 | ellisgeek | oops sry |
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| 19:15.08 | maxvagabond | mns: I'm trying it now. |
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| 19:15.36 | maxvagabond | mns: it works fine for me |
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| 19:23.03 | johndo | is there any reliable way to check if a file or directory is created by a currently installed package or a leftover from an old, purged package? |
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| 19:23.51 | buu | So, I've got a linux install on a mac g5, ppc but when I put it underload it overheats and shuts down. Can anyone suggest someway to control the fans? Where would I even start looking? |
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| 19:24.13 | boudiccas | ellisgeek, what part of the world are you in? |
| 19:24.28 | ellisgeek | US |
| 19:24.33 | ellisgeek | Wisconsin |
| 19:24.41 | ellisgeek | sheboygan |
| 19:25.04 | boudiccas | ellisgeek, ah right, thats no good for me, guess i'll just have to hang onto my old computers then :) |
| 19:25.18 | ellisgeek | good |
| 19:25.32 | ellisgeek | turn em into servers thats what i do :D |
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| 19:26.06 | johndo | buu: first check if you at least get any information about the fans, e.g. from the lm-sensors package |
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| 19:27.03 | buu | johndo: I tried lm-sensors, sensors-detect and so on, but they all essentially said no sensors detected... |
| 19:27.18 | themill | johndo: a purged package shouldn't have any files left behind... ideally. but that's not always the case and there's not any definite way of knowing. You can check the opposite though -- owned files will be matched by dpkg -S (see also dlocate) |
| 19:27.46 | johndo | buu: doesn't look good then |
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| 19:28.46 | johndo | themill: i know dpkg -S, but the difficult caes are the files which do not belong to the package directly, but are created by pre- or postinstall scripts |
| 19:28.56 | johndo | *cases |
| 19:29.13 | themill | johndo: indeed. There's no database of those files so there's no way you can know. |
| 19:29.22 | johndo | and unfortunately debian is no ideal world ;) |
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| 19:35.25 | boudiccas | OT - has anybody got any passcodes or cracks for playing breakout please? I cant get past level 2 |
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| 19:36.13 | themill | boudiccas: perhaps you wanted #defocus not #debian |
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| 19:37.03 | boudiccas | themill, this is on debian 6, thats why i asked here :) |
| 19:37.56 | jelly-home | boudiccas: debian 6 runs on ZX Spectrum?? |
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| 19:39.00 | boudiccas | jelly-home, i don't know, i havent got a speccy available to try but i very much doubt it |
| 19:39.03 | jelly-home | or is it the original Atari arcade machine |
| 19:39.51 | boudiccas | its proper name is 'kbreakout' |
| 19:40.18 | jelly-home | oh |
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| 19:41.04 | wols | boudiccas: you have the source, give yourself unlimited lives/panels/etc |
| 19:41.48 | \amethyst | boudiccas: you could eidt /usr/share/kde4/apps/kbreakout/levelsets/default.levelset |
| 19:42.28 | \amethyst | boudiccas: replace the contents of <Level name="Level 2"> with the contents of <Level name="Level 1"> or something like that |
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| 19:42.48 | \amethyst | so you play L1 a second time instead of L2 |
| 19:42.58 | jelly-home | that game is unnervingly quiet |
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| 19:43.26 | jelly-home | expects his bricks to break and balls to bounce with sounds effects |
| 19:43.53 | jelly-home | ,versions kbreakout |
| 19:43.54 | judd | Package kbreakout on i386 -- sid: 4:4.4.5-1; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.4.5-1; experimental: 4:4.6.2-1 |
| 19:44.28 | boudiccas | i'm using squeeze, but what is 'wheezy' please? |
| 19:44.56 | \amethyst | "wheezy" will be the next release of Debian |
| 19:45.06 | \amethyst | it is currently "testing" |
| 19:45.15 | \amethyst | !testing |
| 19:45.15 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 19:45.33 | jelly-home | upgrades kdegames to 4.6.2 |
| 19:45.42 | boudiccas | ah, thanks for that, i'll stick with this stable version then. it aint broke so it dont need fixing |
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| 19:46.23 | dimir | !unstable |
| 19:46.23 | dpkg | Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Only on-topic in #debian-next on irc.debian.org. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
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| 19:48.27 | warrenchild | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:51.39 | mastikk | Hi, does anyone know how apt-get resolves the names of http repositories? I'd like to know the name of the responsible c++ class. Thanks in advance |
| 19:51.43 | swilson06 | i'm getting locales errors from apt-get, what's the locales command to fix this? |
| 19:52.02 | swilson06 | something like locales LC_ALL or is it a dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 19:52.19 | wols | !locales |
| 19:52.19 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 19:52.33 | swilson06 | grrr, right. thanks |
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| 19:53.49 | swilson06 | mastikk: what do you mean 'the name of the responsible c++ class'? |
| 19:54.17 | swilson06 | if you're writing code against it, apt-get is perl afaik |
| 19:54.22 | mastikk | the class that implements the name-resolving methods |
| 19:54.53 | swilson06 | probably something in LWP::Simple |
| 19:55.12 | jelly-home | warrenchild: how does the disk not work? |
| 19:55.26 | themill | swilson06: apt is all C++ |
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| 19:55.42 | warrenchild | it does not spin up |
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| 19:55.55 | themill | mastikk: what do you mean "resolves the names"? are you meaning dns resolution? or working out which repo to use? |
| 19:56.04 | warrenchild | jelly-home spin mechanism broke |
| 19:56.06 | mastikk | dns resolution |
| 19:56.18 | jelly-home | warrenchild: I mean the new disk. |
| 19:56.34 | warrenchild | jelly-home grub does nto see the OS |
| 19:56.40 | warrenchild | will not boot |
| 19:56.55 | warrenchild | I thought the computer shouls boot with 2 didsks just in degraded mode |
| 19:56.58 | warrenchild | should* |
| 19:57.23 | warrenchild | then when I put a 3rd disk in it the RAID will automatically build info back onto it |
| 19:57.23 | themill | mastikk: that won't be within apt itself -- it will use the system name resolver: "getent hosts foo.example.com" should give the same answers. |
| 19:57.28 | jelly-home | warrenchild: did you tell grub to install on more than one physical disk? |
| 19:57.30 | swilson06 | i'll be damned.... thought it was a script: /usr/bin/apt-get: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, stripped |
| 19:57.41 | warrenchild | no |
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| 19:57.53 | warrenchild | can you do that? |
| 19:57.56 | swilson06 | didn't it used to be a script, or am i just dreaming? |
| 19:57.58 | mastikk | themill: thanks i'll try |
| 19:58.01 | jelly-home | warrenchild: well, if the first disk died, it's no wonder you can't boot |
| 19:58.07 | warrenchild | it was the second |
| 19:58.12 | warrenchild | I also tried a grub boot cd |
| 19:58.17 | warrenchild | and it says no OSes are found |
| 19:58.26 | warrenchild | Super gurb disk is what I used |
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| 19:59.06 | jelly-home | warrenchild: oh, boot a livecd of some sort, format the replacement disk, and add it to the raid array(s) |
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| 19:59.45 | jelly-home | warrenchild: did you make a separate /boot partition and make it a raid1? |
| 19:59.56 | warrenchild | isn't there suposed to be something built into the OS to tell me when it thinks on disk is going bad? |
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| 20:00.24 | warrenchild | no, everything is installed onto my RADI 5 excpet for swap I have swap ooutside the raid |
| 20:00.55 | jelly-home | warrenchild: well, that's not the safest configuration it seems. |
| 20:00.56 | mastikk | themill: getent hosts google.com returns 1.0.0.0 :S |
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| 20:01.02 | linuxfreck | swilson06, I thought that apt-get is all perl |
| 20:01.33 | themill | mastikk: excellent. Sounds like a nicely broken local resolver. What's in your /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 20:01.42 | jelly-home | swilson06: you took the blue pill and are dreaming |
| 20:01.59 | warrenchild | jelly-home: haha thanks |
| 20:03.09 | mastikk | themill: my home router address |
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| 20:03.54 | themill | mastikk: sounds fairly typical of home routers. Crap dns resolvers. Try resolving that again to see if it's fixed itself. |
| 20:04.16 | jelly-home | warrenchild: as for disks going bad, the hardware doesn't always announce it. I think Toshiba published a paper on a large set of their devices and SMART tools made a warning in like 40 or 60% of disks gone bad |
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| 20:04.47 | mastikk | themill: ping uses that file and everything works |
| 20:05.03 | swilson06 | either way, the main program isn't anymore.... i'm google'ing around and trying to figure out what's up, but i'm coming up empty... maybe i am on something... |
| 20:05.12 | warrenchild | jelly-fish: then shouldn't there be an eaiser way to replace a disk gone back?? |
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| 20:06.39 | themill | mastikk: that's fairly common. The router doesn't know straight away so just returns 1.0.0.0 or something equally moronic. It then gets an answer later and if you ask a second time it then works. Using google dns or your ISPs nameservers directly can be beneficial. "/msg dpkg override dns" for how to configure your dhcp client to use something other than your router. |
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| 20:07.18 | warrenchild | shoot |
| 20:07.31 | warrenchild | I have been at this for days I am getting sick I am about to trash it |
| 20:07.48 | jelly-home | warrenchild: for days? Hire a consultant. |
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| 20:10.37 | jelly-home | warrenchild: linux md raid needs some care and learning to use it effectively. A typical setup would use a separate /boot partition on a small md raid1 mirror at the beginning of the device, across at least two disks. You don't have that, and apparently you've struck a combination which GRUB2 apparently can work with only when the md raid array is clean. |
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| 20:11.04 | jelly-home | eh |
| 20:11.04 | pep` | anyone know how long the kernel takes to compile (amd athlon 64 3200+ ....) ? |
| 20:11.55 | cesurasean | Can someone tell me why my samba share hogs all the memory, and during huge transfers it fails to write files to the disk causing backups to fail? I've added another stick of ram, but still getting problems. Is there an alternative to samba or something to get this to work? |
| 20:12.16 | jelly-home | pep`: it depends on your RAM size, disk speeds, choice of configuration and build options (concurrency in particular) Anywhere from 3-30 minutes. |
| 20:12.28 | pep` | max 30 minutes?? |
| 20:12.33 | pep` | wow, that's way faster than I expected |
| 20:12.46 | pep` | I'm recompiling it with a real time patch in fact (xenomai) |
| 20:12.55 | pep` | i think there must be 1GB of RAM on that machine... I'll see |
| 20:13.04 | wols | pep`: ony my 486-160 and 64MB it took 2-3hours :) |
| 20:13.11 | jelly-home | pep`: could be more if you enabled all the drivers, even those you don't need |
| 20:13.57 | pep` | I didn't disable much actually... just some basic stuff and conflicting options... I'm guessing around 1h ... |
| 20:15.00 | pep` | fairly interesting stuff this... but I'm surprised at some of the warnings (non-initialized pointers, bad casts...), I think I'm going to take a closer look at the sources |
| 20:15.02 | cesurasean | hello? |
| 20:15.13 | jelly-home | pep`: did you give your make command -j numberofcores option, or your make-kpkg command a CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=numberofcores env. variable |
| 20:15.14 | moele | man why do regexp have to be so damn confusing :( |
| 20:15.23 | pep` | I only have one core anyway |
| 20:15.33 | pep` | so there's not much point :) |
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| 20:15.44 | jelly-home | alright |
| 20:15.47 | cesurasean | Can someone tell me why my samba share hogs all the memory, and during huge transfers it fails to write files to the disk causing backups to fail? I've added another stick of ram, but still getting problems. Is there an alternative to samba or something to get this to work? |
| 20:16.08 | pep` | cesurasean, you might want to try #samba |
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| 20:19.53 | mastikk | thank all |
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| 20:22.04 | MeglaW | i have a a7j (dualcore laptop without a hdd), can you name a good way to like load io operations? |
| 20:23.23 | wols | MeglaW: "like load io operations" ? |
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| 20:24.52 | MeglaW | http://pastebin.com/spnRwxN5 |
| 20:24.55 | MeglaW | wols |
| 20:25.28 | jelly-home | without a hdd? |
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| 20:26.50 | wols | it sounds like a bad southbridge. flexing me thinks |
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| 20:28.30 | MeglaW | u mean like thermal expansion/subtraction |
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| 20:29.05 | swilson06 | is there a repository for sun-java (or would it be oracle-java) ? |
| 20:29.07 | wols | no I don't. well there was thermal expansion/subtraction, but way way in the past |
| 20:29.23 | wols | !tell swilson06 about install java |
| 20:29.41 | MeglaW | wols: sounds reasanable.. |
| 20:29.55 | MeglaW | i should autoclave the board hehe |
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| 20:32.24 | tDucka | does anyone know what this character is -> î¿¡ |
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| 20:32.49 | wols | tDucka: it shows up as a question mark. IRC is not really UNICODE aware |
| 20:33.14 | pep` | tDucka, it can be a number of characters I think.... try looking at it with different charsets |
| 20:33.28 | tDucka | wols, how do I get those characters to show up correctly in debian? |
| 20:33.50 | tDucka | it doesn't show up correctly in iceweasel or xchat |
| 20:34.04 | tDucka | or gedit |
| 20:34.07 | wols | !tell tDucka about utf8 |
| 20:34.12 | amphi | tDucka: shows up as a diamond here |
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| 20:34.55 | pep` | try vi |
| 20:35.13 | tDucka | how do i edit my charset? |
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| 20:35.22 | wols | tDucka: you don't |
| 20:35.23 | Connor_ | Question. |
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| 20:35.29 | wols | tDucka: you set the proper locale |
| 20:35.51 | Connor_ | I am using nano for windows, and I can't nano -$, so I need to use the hotkey m-$, problem is, alt shift 4 isn't working. How would I go about activating this hotkey properly? |
| 20:36.13 | wols | Connor_: how about asking ##windows? |
| 20:36.25 | Connor_ | wols this would apply with windows or linux |
| 20:36.39 | wols | Connor_: is this channel named "#linux"? |
| 20:36.42 | Connor_ | Yes. |
| 20:36.49 | wols | please check again |
| 20:36.55 | ompaul | Connor_: I think you are in #debian. |
| 20:37.04 | Connor_ | Eh |
| 20:37.20 | ompaul | checks again |
| 20:37.24 | ompaul | Connor_: I am sure of it. |
| 20:37.34 | Connor_ | Hmm, the hotkey works under Debian... |
| 20:37.45 | ompaul | so the fault is elsewhere |
| 20:38.20 | tDucka | Do I edit ----aa_DJ.UTF-8 --------- UTF-8 aa_ER or ---------UTF-8aa_ER@saaho UTF-8 |
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| 20:40.21 | wols | I installed debian, afterwards I installed windows. to get grub2 back I booted into rescue mode and run update-grub, however it doesn't pick up the windows partition, only the linux kernels. how do I make it pick up the windows os? |
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| 20:40.45 | themill | tDucka: most likely, you need a better font that actually has that glyph in it. |
| 20:40.50 | Connor_ | wols check your grub config file to see if windows is actually on the bootloader. |
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| 20:41.29 | wols | the point is, grub doesn't add it to its menu... |
| 20:41.29 | jelly-home | î¿¡ looks weird here |
| 20:41.53 | wols | Connor_: I'm trying to create the grub config file debian-style |
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| 20:42.00 | themill | wols: is os-prober installed? |
| 20:42.16 | jelly-home | Character: î¿¡ U+EFE1 Name: <Private Use> |
| 20:42.26 | Connor_ | Escape shift four fixed my problem |
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| 20:42.31 | Connor_ | wols and what would that be? |
| 20:42.32 | wols | themill: nope. thank you |
| 20:42.56 | mu3en | hm. just installed minimal debian 64bit alongside other linux systems on macbook 3,1. when it boots, the screen remains blank. |
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| 20:43.29 | mu3en | strangely, also just installed crunchbang linux, also based on debian 6. and that boots fine. |
| 20:43.46 | mu3en | and the grub entries are basically the same |
| 20:44.01 | wols | Connor_: running "update-grub" |
| 20:44.13 | Connor_ | wols try seeing what your actual grub file says |
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| 20:46.02 | DetroitLibertyPe | is there a way to make GRUB (or something like it) invisible, so say it loads Windoze automatically unless I hit a certarain keystroke (like on a work laptop that I don't want the boss to notice that I've installed Debian) |
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| 20:47.27 | mu3en | yes. you can set grub to boot automatically unless you hit a ksy on startup. |
| 20:47.29 | wols | DetroitLibertyPe: maybe set timeout to 0 and make the windows default? |
| 20:47.33 | MeglaW | i expected someone to say "apt-get install stress" atleast. :( |
| 20:47.49 | wols | it should show the grub screen and cancel the timeout when you press any key |
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| 20:48.21 | DetroitLibertyPe | but it would still show the grub screen, therby negating what I wanted it to |
| 20:48.42 | simonlnu | ou can set it to not show the menu... |
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| 20:48.54 | simonlnu | y |
| 20:49.21 | DetroitLibertyPe | iirc mac osx has something like that already built in, like boot OSX unless you press and hold Command+C (or something like that) maybe I should look at Windows boot options? |
| 20:49.35 | mu3en | grub has the same option |
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| 20:49.49 | mu3en | the windows bootloader is probably irrelevant to your question |
| 20:49.57 | DetroitLibertyPe | OK |
| 20:50.21 | DetroitLibertyPe | this is all hypothetical, as I dont' even have a job, nor anything running Windows, at this time |
| 20:50.23 | enlightified | How does one go about compiling something for another architecture on debian, is there a tool I don't know about? |
| 20:50.35 | enlightified | or can I just use apt somehow? |
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| 20:51.02 | DetroitLibertyPe | enlightified, if its RPM you can use alien |
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| 20:51.26 | enlightified | na its all ./configure, make, make install. |
| 20:51.54 | mu3en | enlightified, what is the target arch? |
| 20:52.09 | enlightified | but alien is good. |
| 20:52.22 | enlightified | :) |
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| 20:53.25 | enlightified | its for a gumstix. It has its own development chain, but I am thinking of using something else. |
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| 20:53.34 | mu3en | enlightified, in that case |
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| 20:54.23 | wols | enlightified: you need a cross compiler |
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| 20:54.45 | mu3en | enlightified, maybe qemu |
| 20:55.27 | enlightified | Okay, I think its better if I ask this in a gumstix channel. thank you very much though. |
| 20:55.49 | mu3en | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch some leads here enlightified |
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| 21:15.18 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 21:15.21 | Bartzy | doing: aptitude install libboost-dev |
| 21:15.36 | Bartzy | gets stuck at : Unpacking replacement libboost1.42-dev ... |
| 21:15.41 | Bartzy | Any idea ? :| |
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| 21:16.57 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: Disk Space? RAM? |
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| 21:17.21 | Bartzy | jhutchins_lt: Fine and fine... |
| 21:17.26 | jelly-home | Bartzy: stuck for how long? |
| 21:17.48 | Bartzy | jelly-home: A couple of minutes at least.. Not responding to Ctrl+c |
| 21:18.02 | Delahunt | hey anyone care to tell me what their experience on 64bit debian 6.0 is with skype? i'm interested in trying debian but this would be a major part of my concerns |
| 21:18.14 | jelly-home | Bartzy: look at dmesg output. might be a kernel or driver issue |
| 21:18.33 | Bartzy | jelly-home: seems fine. |
| 21:18.35 | jelly-home | Bartzy: or you accidentally pressed Ctrl-S and stopped output in that terminal |
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| 21:19.03 | jelly-home | Ctrl-Q to release it |
| 21:19.36 | Bartzy | Ctrl+s stopps output ? |
| 21:19.44 | jelly-home | yes |
| 21:20.06 | ompaul | skype software is not from debian if they packaged it correctly it will work |
| 21:20.19 | ompaul | if they didn't the problem lies with them |
| 21:20.43 | Bartzy | jelly-home: And it's not the problem... |
| 21:20.49 | jelly-home | ompaul: and that's exactly what the use is asking about |
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| 21:21.31 | jelly-home | Bartzy: does suspending the installation process work? |
| 21:21.39 | Bartzy | Ctrl+z ? |
| 21:21.42 | jelly-home | yes |
| 21:21.45 | Bartzy | sec |
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| 21:22.09 | Bartzy | How can I rerun the suspended process ? |
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| 21:22.30 | Delahunt | it's one of those "if you run 64bit you need the 32bit compat libraries installed" |
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| 21:23.40 | Bartzy | jelly-home: Ctrl+Z works.. now what ?:) |
| 21:24.07 | jelly-home | Bartzy: jobs, kill the job, run it again |
| 21:24.30 | ompaul | Delahunt: seems to be ok check this http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=102268 |
| 21:24.41 | Bartzy | jelly-home: After kill %1; E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 21:24.41 | jelly-home | Bartzy: kill %1 would kill job number 1 |
| 21:24.51 | Bartzy | dpkg is still running |
| 21:24.51 | dpkg | Bartzy: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 21:25.06 | jelly-home | Bartzy: that implies you had more than one package manager running at the same time |
| 21:25.47 | jelly-home | Bartzy: this includes apt, aptitude, synaptic, update-manager, or any other GUI package manager |
| 21:26.04 | Bartzy | jelly-home: This is a headless box, and I just restarted it... |
| 21:26.12 | jelly-home | Bartzy: pgrep dpkg |
| 21:26.32 | jelly-home | will show any leftover dpkg processes |
| 21:26.32 | Bartzy | jelly-home: dpkg running. for the package I was trying to install. |
| 21:26.33 | themill | as root, fuser -v /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 21:26.44 | Bartzy | Never had such a hard time installing a simple package. |
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| 21:26.55 | ompaul | Delahunt: again a little googling seems to show http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=51971 https://wirejungle.wordpress.com/2010/07/01/skype-on-squeeze-64-bit-workaround/ |
| 21:27.08 | jelly-home | Bartzy: you can strace that process and try to figure out what it's doing (wrong), or you can just kill it |
| 21:27.08 | Bartzy | How can I install that package? God. |
| 21:27.24 | Bartzy | jelly-home: But no matter what I do, libboost-dev won't install! |
| 21:27.28 | Delahunt | well i was wanting feedback directly from people but oh well |
| 21:27.35 | jelly-home | Bartzy: one step at a time |
| 21:27.45 | Bartzy | jelly-home: OK, so what now ? |
| 21:27.53 | jelly-home | Bartzy: you can't run two dpkgs at the same time |
| 21:27.59 | simonlnu | "God" won't help you installing a .deb |
| 21:28.01 | jelly-home | Bartzy: did it die? |
| 21:28.15 | Bartzy | jelly-home: No dpkg now. |
| 21:28.22 | Bartzy | pgrep dpkg returns nothing. |
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| 21:28.34 | Bartzy | aptitude install libboost-dev ? |
| 21:28.37 | jelly-home | Bartzy: now, recovery: dpkg --configure -a, and install the package again if needed |
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| 21:29.01 | Bartzy | dpkg --configure -a gave me: Processing triggers for man-db ... |
| 21:29.01 | dpkg | Bartzy: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 21:29.05 | Bartzy | now installing the package |
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| 21:29.18 | Bartzy | stuck. |
| 21:29.33 | Bartzy | Maybe it one of those things where you have to wait 3 minutes but no one waits ? :) |
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| 21:29.46 | jelly-home | doubtful |
| 21:30.12 | Bartzy | So it's just not possible to install that package ? :) |
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| 21:30.47 | buu | Ok. I've got a linux install on a system. Then from a windows system I burned a dvd containing another linux distro. However, I'm unsure if the linux box's optical drive can read the disk I just burned. How do I verify that it can read it from inside linux? |
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| 21:31.13 | jelly-home | Bartzy: I don't think it's likely to be the package's fault, but some other OS condition |
| 21:32.16 | jelly-home | Bartzy: you could take a look at the pstree of the seemingly hung dpkg process, see what it's trying to do, and try strace it |
| 21:32.17 | nkuttler | buu: by mounting it? |
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| 21:32.51 | jelly-home | Bartzy: this might reveal whether it's hung or just doing something that's taking a long time |
| 21:33.06 | buu | nkuttler: This is what I thought so I did a mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdb /place; and I got the "wrong fs, bad option.." error, dmesg tells me "media error (bad sector) status=0x51..." |
| 21:33.18 | ws2k3 | hello guys i try to run a compiled program wich some args. but when i uses spaced in the args then it fails it takes only the part until the first space the rest is left behind its a closed source software. is there a debian way to solve this? |
| 21:33.19 | buu | nkuttler: I'll note that I can read the disc fine on a windows box |
| 21:33.30 | abrotman | buu: on a different physical box ? |
| 21:33.32 | wols | buu: DVDs don't have iso9660 filesystems normally, but use udf |
| 21:33.32 | buu | nkuttler: Yes |
| 21:33.35 | Bartzy | jelly-home: lol, while doing aptitude purge libboost-dev (because it's partly installed or something), I'm getting: dpkg: error processing libboost1.42-dev (--remove): Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. |
| 21:33.46 | abrotman | buu: it's possible the drive is baD? |
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| 21:34.08 | buu | wols: "udf-fs: no anchor found. No partition found (1)" |
| 21:34.20 | buu | abrotman: It has recently read other cds fine |
| 21:34.35 | buu | abrotman: I think the problem is that this is a dvd+r and the drive can't handle that? |
| 21:34.41 | jelly-home | ,versions libboost1.42-dev |
| 21:34.41 | judd | Package libboost1.42-dev on i386 -- squeeze: 1.42.0-4; sid: 1.42.0-4+b1; wheezy: 1.42.0-4+b1 |
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| 21:35.19 | buu | The box is a g5 from like 92 and I seem to recall there were some weird dvd formatting issues back then.. |
| 21:35.47 | jelly-home | Bartzy: did you take a look at the processes that dpkg sprang or at its strace? |
| 21:36.01 | Bartzy | jelly-home: No, cause now I have a partially installed package. |
| 21:36.04 | Bartzy | And I can't remove it. |
| 21:36.35 | jelly-home | well noone suggested you remove it |
| 21:36.39 | jelly-home | yet |
| 21:36.53 | Bartzy | dpkg did. |
| 21:36.53 | dpkg | Bartzy: bugger all, i dunno |
| 21:36.59 | Bartzy | ^ jelly-home: lol, while doing aptitude purge libboost-dev (because it's partly installed or something), I'm getting: dpkg: error processing libboost1.42-dev (--remove): Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. |
| 21:38.22 | jelly-home | Bartzy: I meant, why run "aptitude purge libboost-dev" |
| 21:38.35 | Bartzy | jelly-home: Cause It's partially installed !@ |
| 21:38.46 | Bartzy | I don't want it in this half-state |
| 21:39.30 | jelly-home | Bartzy: so figure out where/why dpkg fails at installation of libboost1.42-dev |
| 21:39.49 | Bartzy | jelly-home: I can't now, cause I can't reproduce it. |
| 21:39.59 | Bartzy | I can't do aptitude install libboost1.42-dev. |
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| 21:40.55 | Bartzy | lol. this sucks :\ |
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| 21:41.18 | Bartzy | I just want to remove it so I can test again! |
| 21:41.31 | amphi | Bartzy: dpkg -p it |
| 21:41.38 | jelly-home | Bartzy: you can still do a dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libboost1.42-dev_<press_Tab_here> |
| 21:41.48 | jelly-home | amphi: -P ? |
| 21:42.32 | jelly-home | -p is --print-avail |
| 21:42.46 | amphi | jelly-home: er, yes |
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| 21:45.06 | jelly-home | Bartzy: and then debug the hung dpkg process all over again |
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| 21:45.59 | jelly-home | by that I mean something like pstree -Apa `pgrep dpkg`, for a start |
| 21:46.11 | scrieler | can't get mails with postfix from extern, sending out and intern works, there is anywhere a user group mistake in /var/spool |
| 21:46.20 | scrieler | can anybody help me? |
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| 21:46.35 | Bartzy | jelly-home: I'll try, but something is seriously messed up with dpkg. |
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| 21:47.22 | jelly-home | scrieler: pastebin your mail.log, at least 50-200 lines of context, point to a single message that fails to be received if you can, and also pastebin your "postconf -n" output |
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| 21:48.43 | scrieler | get this server postfix/smtpd[24962]: warning: problem talking to server 127.0.0.1:60000: Connection refused |
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| 21:49.19 | scrieler | it only can be any user and group setting in /var/spool |
| 21:49.30 | scrieler | but I don't know where |
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| 21:51.12 | Bartzy | jelly-home: Looks like it loops endlessly (used strace) |
| 21:51.14 | wols | scrieler: it looks like your amavisd is not listening on its port |
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| 21:51.56 | wols | scrieler: or maybe postgrey |
| 21:51.58 | scrieler | can I restart it? |
| 21:51.58 | Bartzy | jelly-home: lstat64("/usr/include/boost/mpl/value_type_fwd.hpp", 0xbfd4eff8) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 21:52.01 | Bartzy | A lot of those for many files |
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| 21:52.28 | scrieler | maybe postgrey, what user and group do it needs? |
| 21:52.31 | jelly-home | Bartzy: oh. If the files are all different, let it run then. |
| 21:52.35 | scrieler | I use postfix and dovecot |
| 21:52.42 | Bartzy | jelly-home: Really ? What it does ? |
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| 21:53.26 | jelly-home | Bartzy: I have no idea, but it looks _something_ is enumerating and possibly parsing existing header files. |
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| 21:53.48 | scrieler | hmm, where is postrey? |
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| 21:54.05 | jelly-home | scrieler: please provide the data we asked for, so we can see what exactly might be the case |
| 21:55.15 | jelly-home | reading actual logs is easier than doing guesswork with incomplete information |
| 21:55.40 | Bartzy | jelly-home: Thanks a lot. I appreciate your help :) |
| 21:55.57 | jelly-home | Bartzy: np, cheers |
| 21:56.02 | Bartzy | I'm trying to compile gearman... Any idea what that means: configure: error: cannot find the flags to link with Boost program_options ? |
| 21:56.08 | Bartzy | what should I install |
| 21:56.52 | boudiccas | Bartzy, boost |
| 21:57.03 | Bartzy | boudiccas: libboost-all-dev ? |
| 21:57.05 | Bartzy | I'll try :| |
| 21:57.56 | jelly-home | libboost-all-dev sounds like a metapackage to bring in all the little pieces |
| 21:57.59 | scrieler | how to start postgrey? |
| 21:58.21 | scrieler | postgrey start? |
| 21:58.33 | scrieler | ah |
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| 21:59.04 | jelly-home | scrieler: dpkg -L postgrey will list the package contents. There might be an init script in /etc/init.d/ |
| 21:59.14 | scrieler | jo /etc/init.d/postgrey start |
| 22:00.28 | nsadmin | what's a postgrey? |
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| 22:01.18 | jelly-home | nsadmin: a policy daemon that does greylisting |
| 22:01.25 | jelly-home | for... postfix |
| 22:01.35 | nsadmin | using postgres? |
| 22:01.40 | jelly-home | postfix... greylisting. |
| 22:01.58 | jelly-home | nsadmin: got it? |
| 22:02.07 | nsadmin | postfix 1, postgres 0 |
| 22:02.09 | nsadmin | yep |
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| 22:08.28 | aguitel | how improve perfomance in this card:Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) in debian ? |
| 22:08.29 | scrieler | what user and group are correct in /var/lib/postgrey ? |
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| 22:12.00 | nsadmin | aguitel, show line from lspci -nn |
| 22:13.33 | nsadmin | that said, I'm not familiar with intel graphics cards |
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| 22:13.52 | aguitel | nsadmin: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2572] (rev 02) |
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| 22:14.21 | nsadmin | , pciid [8086:2572] |
| 22:14.24 | judd | [8086:2572] is '82865G Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'i915' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2572 |
| 22:15.20 | jelly-home | scrieler: drwx------ 2 postgrey postgrey 4096 Apr 26 03:45 /var/lib/postgrey |
| 22:15.55 | nsadmin | contained therein is a partial answer; other parts include appropriate x driver |
| 22:16.52 | aguitel | judd: how install i915 driver |
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| 22:17.41 | jelly-home | aguitel: it's already there. |
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| 22:18.15 | aguitel | jelly-home: inside the kernel ? |
| 22:18.19 | jelly-home | yes |
| 22:18.39 | jelly-home | well, it's a kernel module so not exactly _inside_ |
| 22:18.51 | nsadmin | lsmod | grep i915 |
| 22:18.57 | aguitel | jelly-home: ok |
| 22:18.58 | boudiccas | i've just lost the windows on my status bar, how do i get them back please? |
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| 22:19.33 | nsadmin | if you get response from that, module is now installed |
| 22:19.49 | aguitel | ok |
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| 22:20.10 | nsadmin | maybe you'll get more than one line |
| 22:20.15 | boudiccas | i'v e just lost the windows on my status bar in kde, how do i get them back please? |
| 22:20.21 | nsadmin | but if module not inserted, you'll get no lines |
| 22:20.28 | scrieler | thx jelly-home |
| 22:20.53 | scrieler | wohoooooo, it works |
| 22:21.03 | scrieler | forgot to change the folder |
| 22:21.05 | Zylvain | aguitel: boot with the module, by modifying this line into your /boot/grub/grub.cfg: |
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| 22:21.06 | Zylvain | linux /vmlinuz-2.6.38-2-686 root=/dev/mapper/sdb1 ro vga=789 quiet i915.modeset=1 |
| 22:21.12 | scrieler | thanks to all!!! |
| 22:21.20 | Zylvain | i915.modeset=1 makes it |
| 22:21.54 | nsadmin | aguitel, lsmod | grep i915 | wc -l |
| 22:22.00 | jelly-home | Zylvain: there should be no need to do that in squeeze (it's going to be loaded anyway when Xorg starts) |
| 22:22.12 | aguitel | i am in testing |
| 22:22.17 | nsadmin | you might have to be root for lsmod to work |
| 22:22.22 | jelly-home | even better |
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| 22:22.45 | aguitel | aguitel@debian ~ $ uname -r |
| 22:22.45 | aguitel | 2.6.38-2-686 |
| 22:22.47 | nsadmin | snooki is on teevee again |
| 22:23.45 | runa | heyas. I would like to sync a few dirs from my computer to my phone as soon as I plug it. I was planning to use udev but when RUN action is ran, the device is not mounted yet. Shall I mount it from my ran script and copy the files? |
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| 22:26.14 | Arrowmaster | runa: yeah you can either mount it yourself or you can see if your automounter has its own method of autorun |
| 22:26.41 | dualcore | what is suggested for running a mail server and managing accounts? |
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| 22:27.22 | runa | Arrowmaster: I think I'll investigate gnome-volume-manager |
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| 22:42.31 | chrissbx | I'm using an /etc/network/interfaces file with an entry "iface wlan0 inet static", "wpa-ssid mynetname", "wpa-psk mynetpw", "address ..." "netmask ..." "gateway .." "nameserver .." |
| 22:42.53 | chrissbx | yet somehow *sometimes* (but quite often) it still runs dhclient and gets an ip dynamically instead of using my static one. |
| 22:42.59 | chrissbx | Any idea what's going on? |
| 22:44.12 | chrissbx | I then solve it by killall dhclient and ifconfig ..., but that's really an arduous workaround. |
| 22:44.57 | jhutchins_lt | chrissbx: Do you have network-manager? |
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| 22:48.42 | Boltsky | if attempting to install what seems to be a simple package ends up requiring 130 dependencies... how can I figure out why? |
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| 22:49.12 | un214 | try --no-install-recommends |
| 22:49.15 | jhutchins_lt | Boltsky: What was the package? |
| 22:49.26 | Boltsky | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/sbuild |
| 22:49.28 | buu | Was the simple package named kde? |
| 22:49.50 | Boltsky | and http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/pbuilder |
| 22:49.54 | un214 | actually 130 true depends is not unreasonable for a build tool |
| 22:50.00 | un214 | if you don't have build-essential yet |
| 22:50.04 | jhutchins_lt | There are gnome packages that will pull in most of gnome on a KDE system. |
| 22:50.36 | jhutchins_lt | KDE packages tend to require less of KDE. |
| 22:50.36 | Boltsky | I didn't understand why a build system required libpng and conkerer, a keyboard focused web browser |
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| 22:52.00 | Boltsky | jhutchins_lt: thanks |
| 22:52.19 | Boltsky | from 131 newly installed to 2 newly installed |
| 22:52.21 | xyan | Boltsky: try to aptitude --without-recommends install it |
| 22:53.05 | jhutchins_lt | pbuilder only has about five dependencies. |
| 22:53.18 | Boltsky | it's devscripts that is pulling everything in |
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| 22:54.50 | babilen | Yeah, devscripts has a *lot* of recommendations. You probably want to review them and cherry-pick a bunch of you are not happy to pull in all of them. |
| 22:55.23 | babilen | (the recommendations are not unreasonable IMHO) |
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| 23:05.58 | CyL | Would someone please indicate a tutorial on how to get a debian installer on a USB stick? |
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| 23:09.00 | aguitel | the site:myphotoalbum.com is closing ,how to download my full albums in debian ? |
| 23:09.06 | abrotman | CyL: the installatoin manual tells you |
| 23:09.39 | CyL | abrotman: sure, I was searching the web and forgot about the most obvious place.... thanks |
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| 23:14.21 | metalfan_ | hi |
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| 23:15.00 | metalfan_ | can i just do "aptitude install grub" on a lenny system that is currently using lilo? the system is a quadcore with one drive, three partitions. sad1 = root, sda2 = home, sda3 = swap |
| 23:15.02 | overchan | Hello |
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| 23:17.53 | un214 | metalfan-: aptitude install-grub will place grub binaries |
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| 23:18.00 | un214 | but that' won't install a grub bootloader |
| 23:18.10 | metalfan_ | i see |
| 23:18.20 | un214 | read the grub manual before switching bootloaders |
| 23:18.52 | un214 | (I can't use grub due to some bug involving keyboard) |
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| 23:20.11 | abrotman | metalfan_: probalby just do 'grub2' .. and make sure it installs os-prober also .. and then *purge* lilo |
| 23:20.38 | metalfan_ | grub-install /dev/sdx according to some wiki |
| 23:20.59 | un214 | no need to purge lilo |
| 23:21.17 | un214 | the kernel packages won't update lilo if grub is installed |
| 23:21.21 | metalfan_ | yes, but after its all done probably not a bad idea...or at least remove /etc/lilo.conf |
| 23:21.38 | un214 | or at least mv /etc/lilo.conf /etc/lilo.conf.old |
| 23:22.24 | abrotman | un214: if you don't move/remove that file, other bad things happen occasionally |
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| 23:23.06 | un214 | I don't doubt it actually |
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| 23:23.22 | un214 | I've had worse things happen trying to upgrade ubuntu that was in a chroot jail |
| 23:23.48 | un214 | it installed grub for the wrong architecture, completely trashing any chance of my machine booting |
| 23:24.15 | un214 | lilo wouldn't have been as bad |
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| 23:24.56 | un214 | (the right directive to boot params would dump a debug shell within the initrd that could be used to fix it) |
| 23:26.23 | un214 | that was the last time I used ubuntu's do-release upgrade. After that it was apt-get dist-upgrade, instructions be ----'d |
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| 23:27.52 | metalfan_ | just refreshing my update, then rebooting |
| 23:28.15 | metalfan_ | normally i wouldnt worry about this, but this is a hosted system that provides services for other people |
| 23:28.40 | un214 | right, a little hairy tinkering with bootloader when you not in front of it |
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| 23:29.45 | ciphernix | does anyone know if clobber supports debian. I get a breed not supported message when I try to import any debian or debian based distro |
| 23:30.02 | metalfan_ | doesnt google know? |
| 23:30.30 | ciphernix | I try searching on google. only has steps on how to import for cobbler 1.8 and 1.9 |
| 23:30.37 | ciphernix | I'm using cobbler 2.0 |
| 23:30.47 | ciphernix | guess no one knows |
| 23:31.06 | ciphernix | wonder if cobbler dropped support for debian |
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| 23:32.33 | metalfan_ | as i see my update scrolling by very slowly i remeber that a tool like rsync would be great that can see if a remote directory was moved and do the same on the local copy |
| 23:32.42 | metalfan_ | like git does, but without saving the old one |
| 23:33.19 | metalfan_ | witout that feature rsync deletes a local directory and downloads the same data again to another because the original was moved on the remote site |
| 23:33.39 | metalfan_ | and rsync thinks its new |
| 23:34.37 | chrissbx | jhutchins_lt: yes I'm using network-manager in other situations, but I'm disabling it right before I switch to this configuration (programmatically with a script that also re-symlinks the correct interfaces file) |
| 23:35.11 | chrissbx | Maybe nm is reacting too slowly or something? |
| 23:36.01 | chrissbx | I'm going to add a sleep 1 |
| 23:36.49 | metalfan_ | ok, lets try a reboot |
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| 23:38.13 | overchan | Can i Emulate an OS on Vserver without X? |
| 23:38.49 | daemonkeeper | You mean vserver as in Linux-vserver? |
| 23:39.02 | overchan | yup |
| 23:39.13 | daemonkeeper | You don't emulate at all then. |
| 23:39.29 | daemonkeeper | But sure, you can run the container without X |
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| 23:40.27 | overchan | so but then i dont have on the new vm no shell at all? |
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| 23:41.15 | un214 | I believe once set up correctly you can ssh in |
| 23:42.37 | overchan | mhh... i think i figured it at first on my home server out ^^ |
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| 23:42.43 | daemonkeeper | Or use "vserver foo enter" |
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| 23:42.54 | buu | Hey, how do I use dpkg/apt to show me which package owns a file currently installed? Like /usr/bin/foo |
| 23:42.56 | asdfffs | !wheezy |
| 23:42.56 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>. #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
| 23:43.11 | lolcat | Why won't it install flashplugin-nonfree? |
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| 23:43.19 | daemonkeeper | lolcat: You need contrib |
| 23:43.32 | lolcat | apt-get install contrib? |
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| 23:43.38 | lolcat | squeeze I am on |
| 23:43.48 | daemonkeeper | No, you need to enable the contrib repository |
| 23:43.56 | lolcat | Wich is? |
| 23:44.02 | daemonkeeper | Well, "contrib". |
| 23:44.24 | daemonkeeper | !contrib |
| 23:44.24 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compatible software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ [lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then aptitude update. Also ask me about <non-free>. |
| 23:44.46 | daemonkeeper | Feel free to replace the mirror your favorite |
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| 23:44.53 | lolcat | deb http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
| 23:44.55 | lolcat | ? |
| 23:45.03 | lolcat | replace main with contrib? |
| 23:45.10 | daemonkeeper | No, /add/ contrib |
| 23:45.17 | lolcat | That is what I meant |
| 23:45.45 | jelly-home | replace "main" with "main contrib" |
| 23:46.09 | daemonkeeper | buu: dpkg -S |
| 23:47.14 | buu | daemonkeeper: Thanks |
| 23:48.13 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:48.13 | metalfan_ | how long could it take to fsck a ext3 drive with 1tb? |
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| 23:48.42 | buu | metalfan_: About 3 minutes? |
| 23:49.27 | jelly-home | metalfan_: rule of thumb is about an hour per TB |
| 23:49.36 | robokop | depends if the physical device is used, number of used inodes |
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| 23:50.05 | metalfan_ | jelly-home, one hour? |
| 23:50.11 | jelly-home | metalfan_: yeah |
| 23:50.16 | metalfan_ | about 500gb are used |
| 23:50.39 | jelly-home | metalfan_: and about a GB of RAM |
| 23:50.44 | un214 | 500gb used then half hour |
| 23:50.48 | buu | Oh, fsck, ignore me. |
| 23:50.50 | jelly-home | un214: nope |
| 23:50.55 | unjudicial | hello |
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| 23:51.15 | un214 | I know from experience that unused space doesn't cost much for fsck |
| 23:51.16 | metalfan_ | should have checked before reboot if the server will run fsck on the next boot |
| 23:51.19 | metalfan_ | crap |
| 23:51.34 | metalfan_ | this hosters web interface does not show the console log while booting |
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| 23:52.12 | unjudicial | is this correct... to install nvidia, apt-get nvidia-current and nvidia-dkms? |
| 23:52.36 | jelly-home | unjudicial: /msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
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| 23:53.18 | guardiola | is away: Gone away for now |
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| 23:54.08 | dynamite | guardiola: who cares? |
| 23:54.28 | jelly-home | guardiola: please switch off the away message in this channel |
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| 23:55.32 | nsadmin | guardiola, the very very old, well-known concept that's being thrown at you now? you take full responsibility to whatever your irc client (and any script) does |
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| 23:58.04 | jelly-home | I'm sure s/he got it |
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| 23:59.33 | unjudicial | is there any point to installing libreoffice over openoffice |
