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| 00:00.25 | macrobat | maybe there's a fix for that |
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| 00:17.02 | Tendors | evening |
| 00:17.04 | k-man | is there a ytalk equivalent these days? |
| 00:18.02 | Tendors | isn't ytalk pervasive technology? |
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| 00:19.00 | k-man | hah, it is apt-getable |
| 00:19.10 | Tendors | ytalk is copied from the development of scatter/gather I/O. wich is counterintuiitive |
| 00:19.21 | k-man | what? |
| 00:19.42 | Tendors | that it is copied from scatter/gather I/O |
| 00:19.51 | Tendors | and that's just counterintuiitive |
| 00:20.02 | Riviera | haha, great old ytalk :) |
| 00:20.21 | k-man | Tendors, I have no idea what you are talking about |
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| 00:21.39 | Tendors | well, what i meant was that on ne may be able to imagine other methods to the implementation that would have made hacking it much simpler. |
| 00:22.00 | k-man | oh |
| 00:22.05 | Tendors | but anyyway, ytalk is old |
| 00:22.29 | k-man | is there a graphical alternative to ytalk, that does not require connecting to servers in the internet? like intranet only |
| 00:23.11 | Tendors | you mean like a real-world simulation? |
| 00:23.31 | k-man | no |
| 00:23.48 | k-man | like I want to chat to someone on my network but I don't want to use the traditional social networks |
| 00:24.06 | k-man | I want a direct peer to peer program, like ytalk - but a graphical app |
| 00:24.12 | Tendors | can't you use post-it notes? |
| 00:24.45 | Tendors | are those computers on your network in one room? |
| 00:25.04 | Bushmills | ejabberd, plus jabber clients, give you an IM infrastructure |
| 00:25.06 | k-man | Tendors, ffs, do you think i'd be asking that if they were? |
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| 00:25.24 | Tendors | i see your logic now |
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| 00:25.31 | Tendors | sorry k-man |
| 00:26.04 | Tendors | shouting would then be faster then typing |
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| 00:27.40 | Bushmills | gobby has chat support too, next to multihead file editing |
| 00:27.49 | Tendors | i had a few glasses of jack daniels, so i'm a bit slow |
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| 00:28.32 | WormFood | k-man, run your own IRC server on your local network |
| 00:28.45 | Tendors | does anyone what the package name is from the Japanese toolkit for randomly constructing lazily saturated expected response time? |
| 00:28.55 | toropisco | k-man: Yes, there is. The Salut protocol, that uses p2p jabber-like IMing with client auto-discovery on an Avahi network. |
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| 00:29.30 | k-man | toropisco, whats the client called? |
| 00:29.57 | k-man | s/the/a |
| 00:30.32 | toropisco | k-man: There are several. Empathy with the telepathy-salut transport, and I believe there is a Pidgin plugin as well. |
| 00:30.33 | k-man | empathy maybe? |
| 00:30.40 | k-man | thanks toropisco |
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| 00:53.37 | k-man | ive installed some sort of launchy type app in debian - it shows up when I log in, but I have no idea how to activate it |
| 00:53.41 | k-man | any ideas? |
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| 00:56.10 | k-man | is there some way to list installed packages with their descriptions? |
| 00:56.42 | kgoetz | k-man: dpkg -l |
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| 00:58.05 | k-man | ah, its gnome-do |
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| 01:00.10 | k-man | what are your favourite launchers on here? |
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| 01:00.59 | kgoetz | i click things on the gnome panel, then don't close them. easy fixed ;) |
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| 01:02.07 | k-man | you know synaptic? is there a way to set it up so that it runs through sudo and asks for the users password rather than root's pw? |
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| 01:02.48 | NisshinMaru | im having a problem with pidgin, it wont load a window, says process is running but nothing comes up, nothing in terminal window |
| 01:02.53 | NisshinMaru | running squeezse |
| 01:03.32 | kgoetz | k-man: you could change the menu entry to use gksuo instead of su-to-root, but there might be a better way |
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| 01:03.48 | Connor1 | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/42953221#42953221 |
| 01:03.54 | Connor1 | Six computers makes you an e-hoarder |
| 01:04.07 | NisshinMaru | works now under root |
| 01:04.08 | NisshinMaru | hmm |
| 01:04.11 | NisshinMaru | after i reinstalled it |
| 01:04.12 | dvs | is halof way there |
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| 01:07.02 | ignite | NisshinMaru: have you tried mv ~/.purple ~/purple-backup and re-running? |
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| 01:08.08 | tux0 | is there an issue burning 700MB live cds using wodim to a 700MB cdrw not cdr? |
| 01:08.49 | NisshinMaru | ignite that fixed it the first run |
| 01:08.55 | NisshinMaru | it doesnt seem to close properly |
| 01:08.58 | NisshinMaru | then it wont work again |
| 01:09.03 | NisshinMaru | i have to kill the process manually |
| 01:09.31 | NisshinMaru | theres obviouslya prob somewhere |
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| 01:12.37 | toropisco | tux0: always use a low speed. 4x is the fastest you should use with cdrw live-cd burning IME. |
| 01:13.11 | __sorin__ | Hi. How do you change the awk field separator for the second time? I tried to, but it doesn't work. awk 'BEGIN { FS = "/"} { OFS = "_" } { $0 = $NF } { FS = " "} { $NF = tolower($NF) } { print }' |
| 01:14.16 | tux0 | toropisco: I'm using 4x. have tried using wodim and k3b the's .isos are correct they boot using `kvm' and the md5sums check out good |
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| 01:15.26 | toropisco | tux0: Sometimes it is a problem with the cd format that gets fixed with a full blank (use wodim -f blank=full, it does some repairs on the disk). |
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| 01:17.03 | tux0 | toropisco: will try that, however this occured with a brand new cdrw disc |
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| 01:18.02 | toropisco | tux0: cdrw are like the lottery. I have 10-yr-old discs that still work. Others, I've trashed on the first attempt. |
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| 01:18.35 | g3brown | Does squeeze support uefi bios? |
| 01:18.40 | tux0 | toropisco: what is the -f switch I don't see that in the manual page? |
| 01:19.32 | toropisco | tux0: isn't it there? Maybe it is -force (blame it on my bad memory :-)) |
| 01:19.45 | tux0 | ok -force is there |
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| 01:21.59 | tux0 | toropisco: blank=full is invalid now need to use all, disc, or disk XD |
| 01:22.41 | toropisco | tux0: I'm having an old-times total recall tonight. Seems like cdrecord in the 90's :-) |
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| 01:24.27 | toropisco | recalls the old 2.4 kernel ata to scsi emulation and shudders. Dark clouds form in the horizon. |
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| 01:27.17 | robo | Anyone here build pdo_oci on debian? I'm getting this error and can't figure it out: checking for oci.h... configure: error: I'm too dumb to figure out where the include dir is in your instant client install |
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| 01:38.17 | g3brown | Anyone use stable build with newer Adv Format SATA drives. Was issue with the 4K sector size. Wondering if Squeeze understand that by default. |
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| 01:38.53 | dvs | g3brown: That was solved in the 2.6.29 kernel. |
| 01:39.05 | g3brown | dvs: so that is a yes? |
| 01:39.50 | dvs | g3brown: yes since squeeze has a 2.6.32 kernel. |
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| 01:40.12 | g3brown | dvs: thanks was just digging on their site to see what kernal stable was. |
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| 01:42.00 | Connor1 | Anyone here use the software Synergy>? |
| 01:42.01 | Connor1 | ? |
| 01:42.10 | dvs | !anyone |
| 01:42.10 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 01:43.06 | Connor1 | <Connor1> Someone mind helping me get Synergy working with a laptop as a client and a windows computer as a server? |
| 01:43.07 | Connor1 | <Connor1> Linux laptop. |
| 01:43.07 | Connor1 | <Connor1> I have 24800 forwarded at 192.168.1.121, which is my laptop's IP address. |
| 01:43.28 | NisshinMaru | the problem with pidgin seems the x close button dont work |
| 01:43.39 | NisshinMaru | if i close it the other way it works and i can restart it |
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| 01:49.08 | Connor1 | Fixed it |
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| 01:54.43 | tux0 | toropisco: wodim: Cannot blank disk, aborting. |
| 01:55.58 | icesword | tux0, what |
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| 01:56.30 | tux0 | that's what it printed :( |
| 01:56.39 | tux0 | after running for a while |
| 01:57.26 | icesword | maybe it's wasted |
| 01:57.50 | mjmt | NisshinMaru: Do you have the Pidgin system tray icon enabled? |
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| 02:03.39 | NisshinMaru | mjmt, killing that fixed it |
| 02:04.02 | NisshinMaru | im running openbox and dont have tray set up i guess |
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| 02:07.13 | davux | hi everyone |
| 02:07.22 | tux0 | hello |
| 02:07.33 | davux | I have a 8MB installation image (iso) |
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| 02:07.44 | tux0 | toropisco: maybe the cdrw was bad to begin with ... just going to use a 700MB cdr |
| 02:07.53 | davux | but I can't remember what it is... how can I fugure out? |
| 02:08.03 | davux | even businesscard images are way bigger |
| 02:08.09 | davux | figure* |
| 02:08.16 | khaleel5000 | hi, on debian squeeze, is there any tool to check how much download speed i can get maximum (ISP claims 7mbps, i watn to test how much , any program for that?) |
| 02:08.21 | tux0 | net install? |
| 02:09.10 | davux | tux0: netinst is ~140MB, businesscard is ~80MB |
| 02:09.22 | tux0 | davux: :\ |
| 02:09.36 | davux | according to http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#smallcd |
| 02:10.08 | tux0 | davux: could that be for jigdo? |
| 02:10.10 | tux0 | not sure |
| 02:10.56 | davux | no |
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| 02:11.28 | kgoetz | khaleel5000: wget a file from somewhere |
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| 02:12.07 | davux | oh maybe something like http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ |
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| 02:14.20 | davux | the mini.iso is still 16 MB big, but it's less surprising, because the one I have is a bit older |
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| 02:15.00 | davux | anyone knows how the size of netboot/mini.iso images evolved these years? |
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| 02:16.34 | un214 | was 10mb a few years ago |
| 02:16.53 | un214 | I've a request |
| 02:16.54 | davux | un214: any reference or more precise information? |
| 02:16.59 | un214 | no sorry |
| 02:17.13 | davux | the image I have weights 8 MB and is like 1, maybe 2 years old |
| 02:17.17 | un214 | I downloaded it several years ago and it was 10mb +-1 |
| 02:17.19 | davux | which is not so much after all |
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| 02:17.32 | davux | weighs* |
| 02:17.58 | davux | and I downloaded it as 'mini.iso' |
| 02:18.21 | un214 | what I'd like is a livecd of base system + ssh + apt-get working (to ram filesystem) |
| 02:18.38 | un214 | by my estimate should weigh 50-100mb |
| 02:20.44 | un214 | I currently use cd1 for that purpose but it's troublesome if I need a package that is not on cd1 as apt-get does not work |
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| 02:23.10 | NisshinMaru | Oo |
| 02:23.16 | _Maru_ | I'm upgrading and my grub is giving me: /usr/sbin/grub-setup: error: cannot read `/grub/core.img' correctly. any ideas? |
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| 02:23.27 | NisshinMaru | hi _Maru_ |
| 02:23.32 | _Maru_ | hi |
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| 02:34.27 | dudz_ | un214, nano README ? |
| 02:35.03 | un214 | nvrmind |
| 02:35.16 | un214 | the reason it only exists in source form is it's for the wrong architecture |
| 02:35.36 | un214 | build fails for x64 complaining about mixing .o files for different architectures |
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| 02:59.06 | DusteD | http://nopaste.dk/p3294 just me, or does this look wrong? How can the last two partitions start on the same sectors? |
| 02:59.22 | DusteD | wouldn't they overlap the same disk space then? |
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| 03:07.19 | gnarface | DusteD: no because sda2 is an extended partition; in dos partition terms means this is a container partition for other partitions - you only need one if you want more than 4 partitions though, so its a weird setup to be sure |
| 03:07.35 | DusteD | Yeah, I'm ashamed I didn''t figure that out sooner :( |
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| 03:07.46 | DusteD | It's like logical partitions in DOS |
| 03:07.52 | gnarface | exactly like that |
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| 03:10.21 | gnarface | possibly at some point in this drive's history there were other primary partitions and they all got removed and then the first partition was extended to fill the space and the data from them was migrated into it |
| 03:10.27 | gnarface | i'm just speculating there though |
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| 03:14.27 | gnarface | DusteD: here is a more standard looking one: http://pastebin.com/JTdEtn2V |
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| 03:22.00 | [E]sc | there's a bunch of packages for php in debian's subsection, i'm curious if there's a central manual on how to use all those? |
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| 03:32.57 | Seth_Hikaru | I'm having problems with python. |
| 03:33.00 | nvz | im pretty sure there is a chapter in the holy bible titled php5... |
| 03:33.27 | Seth_Hikaru | It's telling me /usr/bin/python is a directory whenever I do "python <filename>. |
| 03:33.40 | un214 | oh my |
| 03:33.40 | nvz | talks about how youll go to hell for asking stupid questions about it |
| 03:33.50 | Seth_Hikaru | Did I mess up python really bad? |
| 03:34.28 | Seth_Hikaru | I was actually trying to compile 3.2 for blender and then this happened when I finished compiling it. |
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| 03:36.51 | wols | Seth_Hikaru: what does ls -l /usr/bin/python say? |
| 03:37.08 | wols | and you can always reinstall you python .deb, no? |
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| 03:39.43 | Seth_Hikaru | wols: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 May 9 22:18 /usr/bin/python -> /etc/alternatives/python |
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| 03:40.06 | Seth_Hikaru | I might know how it got that way. |
| 03:40.15 | Seth_Hikaru | Is there a way I can undo it? |
| 03:40.19 | Rusty1 | suggests http://packages.debian.org/en/squeeze/python-virtualenv |
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| 03:41.12 | Seth_Hikaru | No, I need to fix not make this more complicated. |
| 03:43.31 | wols | Seth_Hikaru: and /etc/alternatives/python points to what? |
| 03:43.55 | wols | Seth_Hikaru: from what you wrote, it sounds like your ran configure;make;make install, if so, simply reinstall debian provided python |
| 03:44.08 | wols | and make sure your python points to the proper binary again afterwards |
| 03:45.14 | Seth_Hikaru | wols: /home/sethhikaru/Python-3.2 |
| 03:46.01 | un214 | /usr/bin/python being a directory will smash that pretty good |
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| 03:46.37 | Seth_Hikaru | It still does the same thing after I install python |
| 03:46.39 | wols | !alternatives |
| 03:46.40 | dpkg | i guess alternatives is the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. Have a look at the galternatives package or ask me about <update-alternatives> <java alternatives>. |
| 03:47.06 | Seth_Hikaru | How do I make it point the right binary then? |
| 03:47.15 | wols | read that and change your alternatives liknk back to the proper binary. or your real 3.2 binary if you must |
| 03:48.36 | Seth_Hikaru | wols: update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/python python /usr/bin/python 1 then? |
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| 03:50.30 | wols | Seth_Hikaru: no. I leave it to you why this is a stupid idea. start with ls -l /usr/bin/python to see why |
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| 03:53.47 | Seth_Hikaru | wols: I'm too stupid to figure out why it's a bad idea, I think I have an idea but I need an answer. |
| 03:55.50 | un214 | wols: his ls -ld /usr/bin/python returns drwx... |
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| 03:56.11 | Seth_Hikaru | ls -ld? |
| 03:56.19 | Seth_Hikaru | I only did ls -l. |
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| 03:57.49 | Seth_Hikaru | So rm -fv /etc/alternatives/python /usr/bin/python and then apt-get install --reinstall python right? |
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| 03:58.05 | jrmithdobbs | when running a 6.1 fresh install it's hanging indefinitely throwing read errors on fd0 .... board doesn't even have a floppy controller. |
| 03:58.14 | jrmithdobbs | is there a way to tell it to stop looking for fd0 at all? |
| 03:58.48 | un214 | hmmm |
| 03:58.55 | un214 | rm /dev/fd* |
| 04:00.01 | jrmithdobbs | anyone who's not retarded got an idea? heh |
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| 04:02.30 | nvz | jrmithdobbs: hey now... were not ra-tarded.. just a lil slow.. |
| 04:02.49 | un214 | well the hard path is compile a kernel with fd compiled out |
| 04:03.50 | un214 | that will work |
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| 04:04.39 | nvz | youre missing the possibility that this person is stupid or full of shit thus making yourself sound stuipid |
| 04:05.26 | nvz | first of all there is no debian 6.1 and for all i know this is a pebcak |
| 04:06.07 | jrmithdobbs | un214: actually i apologize |
| 04:06.16 | Stupendoussteve | Maybe he meant 6.0.1? |
| 04:06.26 | jrmithdobbs | un214: deleting it when it went into the 'error reading' spam on console 4 actually made it fail quicker |
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| 04:06.43 | un214 | nice |
| 04:06.49 | jrmithdobbs | un214: so you're not retarded. debian-installer is retarded |
| 04:06.50 | jrmithdobbs | lol |
| 04:07.08 | un214 | anyway once you get it installed you'll probably going to have to tweak udev to keep it gone |
| 04:07.13 | un214 | that I don't know how to do |
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| 04:10.12 | nvz | ill entertain that possibility as soon as my computer boots up... im on a cell phone atm |
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| 04:17.37 | nvz | jrmithdobbs: so you wanna give any detailed information like what you did specifically, error messages, kernel version.. something? |
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| 04:18.25 | jrmithdobbs | nvz: i booted the installer via pxe, it got up to detecting disks and then would hang for 10+ minutes throwing errors on console 4 about being unable to read /dev/fd0 |
| 04:18.34 | jrmithdobbs | nvz: seek/read errors |
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| 04:19.03 | jrmithdobbs | nvz: removing /dev/fd0 after it checks for firmware and it'll fail on the second attempt instead of the 50th |
| 04:19.14 | jrmithdobbs | nvz: or however long, i never waited to see how long it'd take to get past it. |
| 04:19.17 | nvz | jrmithdobbs: so this was happening in D-I then.. you probably misconfigured something in your pxe server |
| 04:19.50 | jrmithdobbs | nvz: um, no, does the same thing off cd |
| 04:20.24 | jrmithdobbs | machine doesn't have any disks at all, i'm trying to install to a usb mass storage device |
| 04:20.34 | jrmithdobbs | (usb key) |
| 04:20.53 | jrmithdobbs | but now it's not seeing the damned device even though an installed debian system does |
| 04:20.58 | nvz | jrmithdobbs: ah.. what kinda hardware is this? |
| 04:21.11 | jrmithdobbs | nvz: i3 |
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| 04:21.22 | jrmithdobbs | nvz: using amd64 images |
| 04:21.23 | nvz | bingo! |
| 04:21.34 | nvz | wth is an i3? lol |
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| 04:21.52 | nvz | I thought we were playing bingo there for a minute |
| 04:22.11 | jrmithdobbs | nvz: um an intel i3? their new line? i3/i5/i7? |
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| 04:22.29 | k-man | anyone know of a very gentle intro to command line, suitable for a 12yo kid? |
| 04:22.32 | jrmithdobbs | nvz: if the arch was wrong it wouldn't even boot debian-installer ... |
| 04:22.37 | nvz | jrmithdobbs: right well.. again.. what kinda machine is this? |
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| 04:22.56 | jrmithdobbs | nvz: what do you want to know |
| 04:23.17 | nvz | jrmithdobbs: your rube goldberg methods suggest to me you may have a crackerjack box wired with spaghetti |
| 04:23.26 | scampbell | does partman-auto-raid work or is it dead? |
| 04:23.26 | un214 | k-man: start with one word commands to launch programs |
| 04:23.28 | nvz | is it a laptop, a desktop..? |
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| 04:23.41 | jrmithdobbs | nvz: it's a gigabyte h67ma-usb3-b3 w/ a single i3 and no disks |
| 04:23.42 | un214 | you'll get a why? |
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| 04:23.58 | un214 | it makes sense only after you can find options to certain programs |
| 04:24.00 | jrmithdobbs | nvz: desktop |
| 04:24.32 | nvz | jrmithdobbs: ok so you just built a new system I guess... |
| 04:24.38 | k-man | I was sort of looking for a guide |
| 04:24.42 | jrmithdobbs | nvz: with 4G of ram and 4x radeon 5850s hacked together with pcie1x extenders with the back of the 1x connectors chopped out so 16x cards can downgrade to 1x speeds |
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| 04:25.01 | un214 | k-man: sorry |
| 04:25.07 | jrmithdobbs | nvz: need any more details? |
| 04:25.32 | jrmithdobbs | nvz: (the radeon 5850 bit is not relevant, cards aren't even inited at this point) |
| 04:26.20 | k-man | un214, thats ok, thanks for the suggestion :) |
| 04:26.30 | jrmithdobbs | usb-storage.ko loaded successfully but it is not seeing the device |
| 04:26.31 | nvz | jrmithdobbs: na I was looking up the mobo.. thinking the usb 3 might be part of the problem.. |
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| 04:27.13 | jrmithdobbs | nvz: that's a good point, i'm honestly not sure which of the ports are usb3 because i haven't gotten the box up far enough yet |
| 04:27.25 | Eightamrock | Hey guys, is there I can tell the last apt-get command run on my box? |
| 04:27.37 | Seth_Hikaru | I seriously messed up. |
| 04:27.40 | Eightamrock | or aptitude as my version would use |
| 04:27.53 | nvz | jrmithdobbs: super new hardware can be a pita sometimes.. whats the deal here.. did you spend so much on the new hardware you can't afford a disk right now or what? |
| 04:27.59 | Seth_Hikaru | I did ctrl+c on synaptic during an install. |
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| 04:28.05 | Seth_Hikaru | I can't seem to fix it now. |
| 04:28.26 | Seth_Hikaru | I was removing python2.6 when I did it. |
| 04:28.30 | jrmithdobbs | nvz: these are going to be a diskless gpu farm |
| 04:28.35 | jrmithdobbs | nvz: no disk by design |
| 04:29.05 | jrmithdobbs | nvz: i'm just trying to get installed to usb for right now so that I can work out driver issues for the netboot image |
| 04:29.29 | jrmithdobbs | why is there no rmmod in d-i? ugh |
| 04:29.46 | jrmithdobbs | can't even try and force it to rescan with usb-massstorage :( |
| 04:29.50 | jrmithdobbs | errr usb-storage |
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| 04:30.57 | nvz | jrmithdobbs: so you want this to netboot a USB flashdrive, when its all done? |
| 04:31.01 | Seth_Hikaru | How in the hell am I going to fix this. |
| 04:31.24 | Seth_Hikaru | It keeps telling me there was too many errors. |
| 04:31.30 | jrmithdobbs | nvz: no when all is said in done it's going to have root in tmpfs and pull it from tftp at boot |
| 04:31.46 | jrmithdobbs | nvz: but that's neither here nor there, I know how to do that part ;P |
| 04:32.11 | jrmithdobbs | auctually, hmmm |
| 04:32.18 | jrmithdobbs | I think i have a sata drive somewhere |
| 04:32.44 | jrmithdobbs | nope nm, it's in a usb enclosure i loaned to a friend |
| 04:32.50 | nvz | jrmithdobbs: what I'm not understanding here is why you're installing anything on a machine that doesnt need anything installed on it then.. |
| 04:33.14 | jrmithdobbs | nvz: because it's got some third party propreitary drivers i need to get the kinks sorted out on so i can finalize the boot image |
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| 04:33.39 | nvz | jrmithdobbs: sounds to me like you should be on the boot server debootstrapping |
| 04:34.57 | nvz | Seth_Hikaru: aptitude -f install |
| 04:35.11 | jrmithdobbs | nvz: wanted to avoid that |
| 04:35.20 | Seth_Hikaru | nvz: Too many errors. |
| 04:35.25 | Seth_Hikaru | Won't process. |
| 04:35.27 | nvz | Seth_Hikaru: or provide some actual errors, i.e what that command tells you if it doesnt work (paste in paste.debian.net) |
| 04:35.45 | jonsu | yea baby provde me some dirty details aboutg what is going on |
| 04:36.25 | nvz | jrmithdobbs: sounds to me like thats exactly what you're trying to do. |
| 04:37.24 | jrmithdobbs | nvz: i need one of the boxes with some local disks so i can test easier, latent link to the boot server |
| 04:38.52 | nvz | jrmithdobbs: perhaps you should bootstrap the usb drive using a working system then |
| 04:39.00 | nvz | and boot directly from USB |
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| 04:39.23 | Seth_Hikaru | http://paste.debian.net/116512/ |
| 04:39.43 | Seth_Hikaru | It's soo long I couldn't get it all because console cut it off but I got most of it. |
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| 04:41.40 | nvz | Seth_Hikaru: ok, so this was an installed and working system before you did this? |
| 04:41.55 | Seth_Hikaru | Yes, just yesterday. |
| 04:42.04 | nvz | Seth_Hikaru: what did you do exactly? |
| 04:42.12 | Seth_Hikaru | I hit ctrl+c during synaptic removing python2.6 |
| 04:42.26 | jrmithdobbs | nvz: ya, trying disabling usb3 first then that |
| 04:42.34 | Seth_Hikaru | I know, I don't deserve help after that stupid mistake. |
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| 04:42.57 | nvz | Seth_Hikaru: heh, well that doesn't make sense.. removing python2.6 wouldnt cause all these new packages to be installed |
| 04:43.09 | nvz | Seth_Hikaru: what I'm thinking is you were in fact doing an upgrade and didnt realize it |
| 04:43.23 | Seth_Hikaru | I did it while it was removing a lot of gnome stuff. |
| 04:43.29 | Seth_Hikaru | So how can I fix it? |
| 04:43.35 | Seth_Hikaru | apt-get autoremove? |
| 04:44.09 | nvz | Seth_Hikaru: that will uninstall most of your system and likely leave you with a minimally functional console |
| 04:44.24 | Seth_Hikaru | Should I just reinstall? |
| 04:44.24 | nvz | Seth_Hikaru: python is a core component of debian |
| 04:44.41 | Seth_Hikaru | I mean, it wouldn't kill me and the system is barely set up. |
| 04:44.55 | Seth_Hikaru | I just started doing stuff today. |
| 04:45.07 | nvz | Seth_Hikaru: if you're not willing or able to provide accurate information and do whats required to fix it.. |
| 04:45.13 | Seth_Hikaru | okay. |
| 04:45.20 | Seth_Hikaru | I guess I'll just do that. |
| 04:45.25 | Seth_Hikaru | Thanks. |
| 04:45.41 | Seth_Hikaru | Night. |
| 04:45.50 | Eightamrock | Ive added a user to my box, I want this to be an FTP only user, how can I set the user to only be able to write to a specific directory? |
| 04:46.10 | Eightamrock | running vsftp |
| 04:46.39 | jrmithdobbs | nvz: good call. turning off the usb3 controller made it work |
| 04:46.44 | Arrowmaster | you should be able to create users in vsftp that are ftp only |
| 04:46.53 | Arrowmaster | without creating a system user |
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| 04:46.58 | nvz | jrmithdobbs: when it doubt, turn goofy shit off in the bios.. |
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| 04:47.44 | jrmithdobbs | nvz: honestly didn't even realise it had usb3 when i purchased it, it was the cheapest board i could find bundled with a cpu that had enough pcie slots and wasn't made by a shit company ;P |
| 04:47.53 | Eightamrock | Arrowmaster: I looked on the vsftpd documentum and all I found was that it used system users... do you know a different way? |
| 04:48.32 | nvz | jrmithdobbs: idk I generally try go with old hardware that has been tested well.. and I never buy cheap new stuff.. cause its never what you think it is |
| 04:48.48 | jrmithdobbs | nvz: started assembling the boxes earlier and was like "wow, I feel bad using these boards on this project" because it really is a waste |
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| 04:49.17 | jrmithdobbs | nvz: well, i need at least one pcie16x slot and 3 other slots (in this case it's one more 16x and 2 1x) so older isn't an option |
| 04:49.19 | nvz | jrmithdobbs: found that out the hard way when I bought a mobo one time that said it had a GeForce and turns out they make northbridge chips that are called "GeForce" but do not contain graphics at all |
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| 04:49.24 | jrmithdobbs | nvz: i do agree in general, though |
| 04:49.41 | nvz | they are horrible chipsets too btw |
| 04:49.54 | jrmithdobbs | yes they are |
| 04:50.11 | nvz | I ended up getting it to work but had to install with like one stick of ram and add the rest after to make it work |
| 04:51.06 | Arrowmaster | Eightamrock: read up on the userlist_* config options, those seem to be it |
| 04:51.35 | Eightamrock | Arrowmaster: thanks a ton, Ill check into that now |
| 04:51.44 | jrmithdobbs | ugh, and i think i'm about 2 seconds from pulling my groin if i have to squat any more today |
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| 04:51.47 | jrmithdobbs | lol |
| 04:51.58 | jrmithdobbs | need more gym time, obviously. |
| 04:52.16 | jrmithdobbs | (haven't had to futz with this hardware shit in years, that's what noc monkeys are for) |
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| 05:16.57 | NuclearMeltdown | I've never seen such a large difference in package sizes per architecture http://packages.debian.org/lenny-volatile/libclamav6 |
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| 05:18.11 | nvz | ok am I just crazy, or is there some reason su inside a screen session wouldnt be aware of a password change? |
| 05:19.29 | nvz | I had this issue where I couldnt su to root through ssh yesturday.. and I figured its probably cause one of the keys I thought was in my password sticks on the local keyboard.. so I su'd in screen and reattached on another machine and changed the password.. now I can su through ssh, but only outside of screen |
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| 05:22.36 | nvz | if I goto window 2 and try to su, it says authentication failure every tititi |
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| 05:23.09 | nvz | heh |
| 05:23.24 | nvz | damn think randomly lost network for a minute or something |
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| 05:28.07 | erik333 | hm, what steps would i need to take in order to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy? |
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| 05:30.11 | somiaj | erik333: if you have to ask you probably shouldn't, /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy (mainly just update your sources.list and then dist-upgrade -- be praper to fix any things that breaks) |
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| 06:26.06 | ershad | Hai, the lock-touchpad key of Dell Inspiron 15R is not working in squeeze, could you tell me how to fix it? |
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| 06:28.42 | nvz | ershad: if thats not a hardware lockout then good luck is all I can say |
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| 06:29.37 | nvz | I got a Compaq CQ50 here with one.. the light changes but it doesnt lock either |
| 06:29.40 | ershad | nvz, It works in other GNU/Linux distributions. Should I install/configure something to get it working? |
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| 06:30.20 | nvz | ershad: well since I got one sitting in front of me with the same problem and nothing better to do at 2:30am, I suppose we can find out |
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| 06:30.52 | nvz | ershad: can you possibly upload your /var/log/dmesg and /var/log/Xorg.0.log to paste.debian.net? |
| 06:31.14 | ershad | nvz, Sure, one min |
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| 06:32.32 | nvz | ershad: the way I know of these working, the buttons do it all in a more hardware way.. idk how similar our systems would be.. but that info should tell me where we're at |
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| 06:33.47 | nvz | ershad: normally I just dont bother with this stuff.. but lately I have in fact been using my preferred wireless keyboard/mouse devices.. but sometimes I sit the keyboard I use on top of the laptop and it hits the f'n touchpad when I don't want it to |
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| 06:34.22 | nvz | ershad: I have the laptop's keyboard disconnected inside and just snapped into place.. it sucks.. heh |
| 06:34.38 | ershad | Yeah, and the cursor moves to some locations accidently while typing :) dmesg - http://paste.debian.net/116514/ |
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| 06:34.47 | ershad | nvz, Cool :) |
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| 06:35.08 | nvz | I'll work on this kinda dumb stuff for other people |
| 06:35.23 | nvz | I would never think to myself I'm bored, maybe I should fix my own stuff |
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| 06:38.09 | nvz | ershad: hmm.. [ 5.326890] Synaptics Touchpad, model: 1, fw: 7.2, id: 0x1c0b1, caps: 0xd04731/0xa40000/0xa0000 is yours, mine is [ 8.814200] Synaptics Touchpad, model: 1, fw: 7.0, id: 0x1a0b1, caps: 0xd04711/0xa00000/0x20000 which means your computer boots faster and has a newer firmware on the touchpad than mine.. heh |
| 06:38.15 | ershad | nvz, Thanks :) Here's the Xorg log - http://pastebin.com/5xDT7Sgm |
| 06:38.20 | nvz | but looks like we have the same hardware with the same issue |
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| 06:38.49 | austinium | hi whats the command to list the top 10 processes based on RAM used??? |
| 06:39.12 | nvz | ershad: took my kernel 3.5 sec longer to detect the touchpad |
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| 06:40.03 | ershad | nvz, I see. |
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| 06:40.25 | ershad | nvz, Interesting.. :) So, what can we do to get it that key detected? |
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| 06:41.25 | yoshio | austinium, use 'top'. hit 'M' to sort by memory usage |
| 06:41.42 | Agiofws | hi |
| 06:41.47 | nvz | ershad: looking into that now.. you're drivers are all working both in kernel and xorg, lemme look and see how these buttons work.. see if I can pickup anything when I press it.. must be BIOS related cause the light changes color for me from white to orange but nothing happens other than that |
| 06:41.49 | Agiofws | my desktop can mount easily external disk but its user and group are test : root ? can anyone help me with this issue ? how do i get it to mount with my username ? thank you in advance |
| 06:42.14 | nvz | ershad: and it looks like you got twice as many cores as me.. heh might have something to do with the speed difference |
| 06:42.23 | Agiofws | /dev/sdb1 on /media/disk type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal) |
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| 06:42.43 | Agiofws | ixus:/media# ls -ld disk/ |
| 06:42.45 | Agiofws | drwxr-xr-x 6 test root 4096 Apr 10 13:34 disk/ |
| 06:42.50 | wols | Agiofws: depends how you mount it. for starters, man fstab if you mount it via that |
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| 06:43.21 | Agiofws | its not in that file wols |
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| 06:43.27 | austinium | yoshio: that didnt work, it just toggles the memory usage details display |
| 06:43.47 | wols | then check what automounter you use |
| 06:43.50 | ershad | nvz, ha ha, All the best :) I will be here reading a book, Got an exam tomorrow, Please mention my nick as you do always, happy hacking! |
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| 06:44.19 | Agiofws | is this a hal issue ? |
| 06:44.24 | nvz | ershad: well it registers on xev and it brings up gnome help on my system it seems |
| 06:44.30 | wols | austinium: debian is case sensitive |
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| 06:44.57 | nvz | ershad: so it def should be doable I'd just need more time to figure out exactly how to disable the touchpad when its pressed |
| 06:46.00 | ershad | nvz, Ok, keep going, Since the touchpad is already detected, we don't have to play with any kernel module, right? |
| 06:46.13 | Agiofws | does anyone know why HAL is mounting my external device as drwxr-xr-x 6 test root 4096 Apr 10 13:34 disk/ ? |
| 06:46.16 | Raptors | Do you guys know where the VLC inhibit option is located? |
| 06:46.23 | Raptors | inhibit power managemnet |
| 06:46.24 | wols | Agiofws: it isn't |
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| 06:46.39 | yoshio | austinium, you hit capital 'M', not little 'm', right? |
| 06:46.47 | Agiofws | test : root wols ... |
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| 06:47.52 | austinium | yoshio: thanks, i had used 'm' instead of M |
| 06:47.53 | wols | BlackFate: first identify to nickserv, _then_ join channels |
| 06:48.36 | Agiofws | are you saying that hal is not mounting my device ? |
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| 06:49.01 | nvz | ershad: see if running syndaemon solves your problem.. |
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| 06:49.39 | BlackFate | wols, what's the difference? |
| 06:49.53 | nvz | ershad: it detects keyboard events, it shows it disabling and reanabling for my wireless keyboard but its not actually turning off the touch pad that I can tell |
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| 06:50.58 | wols | BlackFate: look at arvind_khadri. same happens when you join |
| 06:51.37 | BlackFate | ok wols, didnt know, thanx :) |
| 06:51.43 | arvind_khadri | wols, ummmm, what happens when I join :) |
| 06:52.00 | nvz | ershad: you'd need the device to have Option "SHMConfig" "true", which is probably why its not working for me |
| 06:52.01 | ershad | nvz, It works for me, while running the syndaemon, touchpad automatically gets turned off. And if we touch the touchpad intending to move the cursor, it enables touchpad |
| 06:52.29 | BlackFate | arvind_khadri, http://pastebin.com/3EHrKdz9 |
| 06:52.33 | wols | arvind_khadri: this happens http://pastie.org/1884025 identify to nickserv before joining |
| 06:52.40 | nvz | ershad: well then all you need is to setup syndaemon -i 1 -d or something to start at boot or when you login to X |
| 06:53.25 | nvz | ershad: solved your problem, but wont actually change the configs to make it work here.. heh |
| 06:53.27 | ershad | nvz, yeah, the issue is solved :) Thanks a lot! in which runlevel should I add to get it started automatically while booting? |
| 06:53.43 | arvind_khadri | wols, well its the connection here, sometimes it connects fine, sometimes it doesnt. |
| 06:54.04 | nvz | ershad: well I drop things into /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh but you can always create your own.. |
| 06:54.18 | wols | arvind_khadri: no it's not. it's your misconfiguration of your irc client. connect to server, identify, wait a second or two, join channels. that's not hard |
| 06:54.33 | nvz | ershad: bootmisc.sh runs right before the console login or display manager comes on its the last thing to run at boot |
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| 06:55.08 | nvz | ershad: its what creates that /var/log/dmesg I had you paste |
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| 06:56.04 | alkisg | I've sent a bug report to submit@bugs.debian..., how long does it take to see it in http://bugs.debian.org? A few hours? Days? |
| 06:56.04 | ershad | nvz, I see, All these are new informations to me, I will add in bootmisc.sh. Thank you very much, happy hacking :) |
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| 06:57.21 | yoshio | Agiofws, see man page for 'mount', "The non-superuser mounts" section. you need the user keyword |
| 06:57.50 | nvz | goes to see about running a different opensim with some patches |
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| 06:58.54 | alkisg | nm, it only takes a few minutes ;) |
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| 07:00.00 | Agiofws | yoshio, think gnome volume manager is mounting it |
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| 07:02.19 | yoshio | !automount |
| 07:02.19 | dpkg | If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <halevt>, <ivman> or <usb mount>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>. |
| 07:02.40 | yagoo | alkisg, probably after 24 hours |
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| 07:02.50 | yagoo | alkisg, check debian.org/Doc? |
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| 07:03.00 | alkisg | yagoo: (09:58:53 AM) alkisg: nm, it only takes a few minutes ;) (i.e. it's already in http!) |
| 07:03.20 | yagoo | ? |
| 07:03.23 | yagoo | I never said that |
| 07:03.27 | alkisg | I did |
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| 07:03.38 | alkisg | I said that the package is already there, and to ignore my question... :) |
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| 07:03.52 | yagoo | alkisg, i see ur also new to irc |
| 07:03.54 | yagoo | :) |
| 07:04.01 | alkisg | yagoo: erm, not really :) |
| 07:04.35 | yagoo | so you answered your own question on irc.. congratulations newbie |
| 07:05.00 | alkisg | yagoo: is there a reason to be offensive? |
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| 07:05.17 | yagoo | buy gives adivce for someone to buy a straight jacket |
| 07:05.19 | marsje | I just updated my kernel on lenny to linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-xen-686. Now I get this warning: W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-2.fw for module r8169 |
| 07:05.40 | marsje | then I installed firmware-realtek, but that does not seem to contain this module |
| 07:05.50 | marsje | will I still have a network when I boot? |
| 07:05.59 | yagoo | marsje, shuoldn't .fw be in /lib/firmware ? |
| 07:06.24 | yagoo | marsje, dmesg|grep -i firmware .. should show that the firmware loaded.. |
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| 07:06.45 | marsje | yagoo: that gives no results |
| 07:07.08 | yagoo | marsje, try reloading the module or rebooting and see if it shows up with dmesg |
| 07:07.18 | yagoo | marsje, it's only 1 file? (.fw)? |
| 07:07.34 | wols | marsje: firmware-realtek does contain the firmware file. http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=rtl8168d-2.fw&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
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| 07:07.41 | wols | but it's a squeeze package |
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| 07:08.00 | marsje | yagoo: no idea... the only thing I did was aptitude upgrade and this is what I saw after it did a update-initramfs |
| 07:08.05 | wols | yagoo: he doesn't want to reboot since he wants to keep his network connection |
| 07:08.24 | marsje | wols: exactly... also, I'm at work and my machine is at home |
| 07:08.28 | marsje | :) |
| 07:08.29 | yagoo | oh |
| 07:08.36 | wols | marsje: I told you where to get it |
| 07:08.43 | project2501b | hey guys, i got a lot of sockets which are hanging on time_wait. i remember there is a way to force the kernel to recycle them faster |
| 07:08.48 | project2501b | something under /proc |
| 07:09.02 | yagoo | wols, the firmware loaded message appears for intel iwl.. so i'm taking an educated guess same may apply in his case |
| 07:09.17 | marsje | wols: I just installed firmware-realtek and then I did a update-initramfs and I got the same warning |
| 07:09.40 | marsje | wols: I got my kernel from backport and I think the driver came from there too |
| 07:09.47 | wols | project2501b: one simple googling later: http://forums.thedigitalfix.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=429232 |
| 07:10.06 | alkisg | yagoo: $ grep -ri alkisg ~/.purple/logs/irc | wc -l |
| 07:10.06 | alkisg | 179024 |
| 07:10.06 | alkisg | Really, there's no need to offend people that notify others about the answer they found to their own questions |
| 07:10.07 | project2501b | wols, i did try googling, man, but i was not sure what i was looking for |
| 07:10.14 | marsje | wols: I noticed the description of that package is different for backports and squeeze |
| 07:10.15 | project2501b | wols: thank you. |
| 07:10.20 | wols | project2501b: "linux timeout for time_wait" |
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| 07:11.04 | wols | marsje: dunno how to check for deb contents of backports packages, but the main debian repos have it in firmware-realtek |
| 07:11.16 | project2501b | ah, see, i was looking for the wrong thing. next time, i will ask a more clueful question, eg. ask for an appropriate search string. |
| 07:11.47 | wols | marsje: is there a specific lenny backports repo? |
| 07:11.49 | marsje | wols: on backports it says it contains realtek WIRELESS drivers, on squeeze it says it contains WIRED and WIRELESS drivers... so I'm confused |
| 07:12.08 | marsje | wold: http://backports.debian.org lenny-backports/main |
| 07:12.19 | marsje | sorry wols |
| 07:12.34 | wols | marsje: easy. squeeze removed ALL closed firmware from kernel. lenny still had various non-free firmwares in the kernel package |
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| 07:13.24 | wols | wireless firmwares always were out of kernel tree, even for linus' tree, firmware for ethernet and scsi is inside linus' tree. hence why squeeze has now more files in firmware packages |
| 07:13.30 | marsje | wols: right... but why does a simple upgrade cause this? I was not upgraded to squeeze (yet) |
| 07:13.47 | wols | cause you use a backport of a kernel for squeeze |
| 07:13.59 | wols | the squeeze kernel you use has no firmware |
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| 07:14.11 | marsje | wols: right... |
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| 07:15.00 | marsje | wols: not sure what to do now? wait until backports contains the new free driver? or downgrade to the previous kernel? |
| 07:15.16 | wols | bpo is imho not exactly bugfree. I have a switchable intel/ati graphics laptop. I installed squeeze and it worked fine. when I installed a bpo 2.6.38 kernel, I had to install the radeon RV620 firmware or I'd get a black screen |
| 07:15.20 | marsje | wols: or will it still work? it's just a simple realtek nic... |
| 07:15.30 | wols | marsje: no, install the proper firmware as I told you several times now |
| 07:16.00 | marsje | wols: yes, I need firmware-realtek, right? |
| 07:16.25 | wols | yes. from suqqze |
| 07:16.28 | wols | *squeeze |
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| 07:17.09 | marsje | wols: I can install firmware-realtek from squeeze in lenny even if it's not in backports (yet)? |
| 07:17.28 | wols | what makes you think you can't? |
| 07:17.43 | project2501b | fedora is red, gentoo is blue, all my debian, are belong to you! |
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| 07:18.13 | marsje | wols: hmmmm... usually it doesn't work, dependency hell? but I guess for firmware it might not matter? |
| 07:18.24 | ershad | I've one more doubt. rc3 and rc4 are different in my debian conf, Could you tell me how to boot into runlevel 4? what is the change in grub lines? |
| 07:18.34 | wols | marsje: I suggest you check instead of asking. seem my helpful link above |
| 07:18.43 | marsje | wols: I use apitude install -t squeeze firmware-realtek? |
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| 07:19.06 | marsje | I think I missed that link.. let me scroll back |
| 07:19.10 | wols | ershad: /etc/inittab under "default runlevel" |
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| 07:19.22 | project2501b | what is the advantage of having a relocatable application/package, and why should i care for it? |
| 07:19.23 | wols | ershad: if you want to change while the system runs: "init 3" as root |
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| 07:19.57 | wooster | is it possible to get a netinst image for testing? |
| 07:19.59 | wols | project2501b: if two libraries are not relocatable but want to load at the same address, mayhem ensues |
| 07:20.12 | wols | wooster: iirc yes |
| 07:20.17 | wooster | i cannot find one on the site |
| 07:20.28 | ershad | wols, Thanks, How about selecting run level in grub? I'm using squeeze |
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| 07:21.06 | wooster | o i think i found it |
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| 07:22.11 | wols | ershad: no |
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| 07:22.49 | ershad | wols, we had such an option in old grub, right? |
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| 07:23.21 | wols | no |
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| 07:24.28 | ershad | wols, I see. Then it's ok, thank you :) |
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| 07:24.43 | jelly-home | project2501b: what do you mean by a relocatable application/package |
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| 07:26.16 | eagles0513875 | hey guys where can i see the list of repository sizes someone linked me something and i lost the page |
| 07:27.25 | yoshio | Agiofws, http://felipec.wordpress.com/2006/12/28/automounting-a-storage-device-with-gnome/ shows how to add the 'exec' option. also somewhere I saw that if you have your mount line in /etc/fstab, it won't be automounted, so then you can mount it manually. |
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| 07:30.06 | yoshio | Agiofws, http://scrolls.mafgani.net/2007/03/gnome-automount-options/ http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com/2010/03/disabling-gnome-automount.html https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=47174 |
| 07:30.24 | Agiofws | ok |
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| 07:35.02 | foetus | weird problem again - no german umlauts at vc2-6.. settings like 'APP_CHARSET_MAP_vc2=user' in /etc/console-tools/config brings nothing.. |
| 07:35.30 | foetus | locale - de_DE@euro. |
| 07:35.50 | foetus | vc1 (root) ok. |
| 07:36.29 | foetus | also APP_CHARSET_MAP=iso15 - no change. |
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| 07:37.02 | foetus | iso15 instead of user..nothing. |
| 07:37.30 | unforgiven512 | Will CTRL+Z break out of a script *completely* (as compared to CTRL+C simply killing the currently executing command within the script?) |
| 07:37.44 | foetus | /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh restart - the same. |
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| 07:38.05 | nkuttler | unforgiven512: man bash, see job control |
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| 07:38.50 | unforgiven512 | nkuttler: Thanks, I'll give it a peek |
| 07:38.53 | foetus | apps like dictionaries are not usable at vc2-6. editors too. |
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| 07:41.08 | foetus | wrong charset maybe. i can see umlauts, but cannot type them. |
| 07:41.20 | foetus | tty1 = ok. |
| 07:42.07 | foetus | still weird. |
| 07:42.33 | khaleel5000 | hi, on squeese, is there a tool to check my download speed? (my ISP claims my bandwidth is 6mb, i want to test independently , i know about sites like speedtest.net, but is there a tool in debian?) |
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| 07:42.47 | foetus | can only work with editors at tty1 this time. |
| 07:42.50 | wols | iptraf, nettop, etc |
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| 07:43.17 | Bushmills | khaleel5000: wget |
| 07:43.22 | foetus | also with browsers like links etc. |
| 07:44.22 | foetus | khaleel5000: or iftop, iptraf.. |
| 07:45.08 | foetus | is frustrated.. |
| 07:46.03 | Bushmills | try chocolate |
| 07:46.14 | foetus | no. doesn't work..dont beleave it. |
| 07:46.29 | khaleel5000 | Bushmills: foetus thanks |
| 07:46.46 | foetus | khaleel5000: np. |
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| 07:47.33 | khaleel5000 | foetus: ah man i am on wifi |
| 07:47.38 | Bushmills | or apt-spy |
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| 07:48.55 | foetus | hm..must see the interface, normally.. |
| 07:49.50 | foetus | have only tty1 for editors.. |
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| 07:50.16 | khaleel5000 | they are checking on eth0 |
| 07:50.25 | foetus | weird. |
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| 07:51.05 | Cim | Hi, I have Debian Sid and I wonder where Nautilus is mounting samba resources? |
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| 07:51.37 | Cim | ~/.gvfs is empty |
| 07:51.37 | apt | okay, Cim |
| 07:52.07 | Bushmills | !~/.gvfs |
| 07:52.12 | jelly-home | apt: forget /.gvfs |
| 07:52.12 | apt | jelly-home: i forgot /.gvfs |
| 07:53.04 | jelly-home | ~what are you |
| 07:53.04 | apt | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 07:53.04 | foetus | khaleel5000: but you can start a download with wget, and see the bandwidth.. |
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| 07:58.31 | khaleel5000 | foetus: any site where bandwidth will not be restricted from 'server's ' side? |
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| 07:59.43 | wols | khaleel5000: you do know that the internet is very big, international and unpredictable? |
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| 08:01.59 | khaleel5000 | wols: yes |
| 08:02.37 | khaleel5000 | wols:thats why i was asking,site speedtest.net is showing my bandwidth at 6mbps, cnet's showing 4.5~ |
| 08:03.19 | sunson | I'm looking for a review of the claimed "fully assignable" functions of the M-Audio Oxygen 25 keys USB MIDI controller. Can I 'assign' all the sliders and knobs to send all my desired MIDI CC commands to Zyn (or rosegarden). (OR, what is a more relevant, Music specific channel? :) ) |
| 08:04.52 | wols | khaleel5000: measuring speeds in a heterogenous packet switched network is a flawed concept |
| 08:05.01 | wols | sunson: for starters: #hardware |
| 08:05.03 | babilen | sunson: No, idea but you can search for them: "/msg alis list *music*" (for example) |
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| 08:06.43 | valdyn | khaleel5000: you should "test" with servers you actually use, not some benchmark site |
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| 08:07.30 | HoldKjeft | Can someone tell me how to change what version of LUA debian alternatives points to? I have 5.0.3 and 5.1.1 installed but for some reason 5.0.3 is configured and update-alternatives is cryptic at best |
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| 08:08.07 | valdyn | HoldKjeft: its not cryptic |
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| 08:08.53 | valdyn | HoldKjeft: "update-alternatives --config lua-compiler" or whatever you want |
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| 08:11.28 | khaleel5000 | wols: valdyn ok ,got it .thanks |
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| 08:12.16 | HoldKjeft | valdyn thanks... looks like it was what I was looking for... didn't realize I wanted to change it based on the long name as opposed to the command name... would be nice if alternatives has a --list-all option |
| 08:12.48 | valdyn | HoldKjeft: ls -l /etc/alternatives/ does that, doesnt it? |
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| 08:13.12 | valdyn | HoldKjeft: but it might be handy to have bash-completition for that, which I do |
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| 08:13.47 | HoldKjeft | Suppose so, but frankly, it isn't entirely obvious that /etc/alternatives would be the only path where they might be stored. |
| 08:14.54 | HoldKjeft | Well, it's obvious in hind site, but it's not obvious while you're trying to figure it out in the first place... never heard of alternatives before today |
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| 08:15.28 | notze | what contains the mail command? |
| 08:15.38 | notze | apt-get mail doesnt exists |
| 08:15.38 | valdyn | notze: various packages |
| 08:15.46 | notze | i just need it blank ;D |
| 08:15.51 | notze | what can you suggest |
| 08:16.32 | gnarface | delete the symlink? |
| 08:16.32 | Dewi | !apt-file mail |
| 08:16.54 | wols | notze: check for bin/mail on packages.debian.org |
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| 08:17.26 | notze | okay thanks |
| 08:17.40 | Dewi | wols: unfortunately it seems to choke on slash |
| 08:17.44 | valdyn | notze: mailutils |
| 08:18.04 | jelly-home | notze: or bsd-mailx |
| 08:18.11 | valdyn | notze: /usr/bin/mail is set as alternative, which might make it hard to find |
| 08:18.15 | jelly-home | ,whatprovides mailx |
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| 08:18.17 | judd | Package mailx in squeeze/i386 is provided by: bsd-mailx, heirloom-mailx, mailutils. |
| 08:18.25 | valdyn | ah, nice |
| 08:18.34 | Dewi | ,whatprovides mail |
| 08:18.35 | judd | Sorry, no packages provide 'mail' in squeeze/i386. |
| 08:18.51 | notze | mailutils sounds nice |
| 08:18.55 | Dewi | hmm, so is there a search engine for alternatives? |
| 08:19.09 | jelly-home | Dewi: no, that's a search for Provides: |
| 08:19.12 | wols | Dewi: no it doesn't |
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| 08:20.01 | Dewi | wols: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=bin%2Fmail |
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| 08:20.18 | Dewi | same for "package contents" |
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| 08:20.40 | jelly-home | altenatives aren't really managed well |
| 08:20.42 | wols | Dewi: maybe they changed recently. I used it lots of time s before :( |
| 08:20.49 | wols | stupid new stuff introducing bugs |
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| 08:21.24 | jelly-home | wols: with a path managed via alternatives? |
| 08:21.26 | Dewi | wols: you're probably running a mixed or sid internet |
| 08:21.31 | Dewi | wols: try switching to stable |
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| 08:21.47 | jelly-home | I want my sid internet! |
| 08:22.00 | notze | okay mailutils seems to be fine |
| 08:22.04 | notze | i give it a try |
| 08:22.10 | wols | jelly-home: for some reason I have a /usr/bin/mailx here, so bin/mailx works fine for me |
| 08:22.11 | notze | but its a little confusing |
| 08:22.18 | Dewi | notze: yeah they probably only differ in arcane ways |
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| 08:23.56 | Dewi | wols: you're right, it can match slashes, it just won't find symlinks |
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| 08:24.31 | jelly-home | Dewi: it will find symlinks _if_ they're contained in a package, which alternatives aren't |
| 08:24.40 | Dewi | jelly-home: indeed. that. |
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| 08:29.32 | \3TATUK | Attempting to enable 3D hardware acceleration... `glxinfo|grep renderer` returns 'OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer'... May anyone assist? |
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| 08:31.21 | wols | \3TATUK: more info needed |
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| 08:32.16 | \3TATUK | wols: specifically? |
| 08:32.28 | \3TATUK | radeon card.. debian squeeze... |
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| 08:33.36 | Dewi | !opengl |
| 08:33.36 | dpkg | OpenGL (Open Graphics Language) is a 3D graphics <API> originally developed by Silicon Graphics. http://www.opengl.org/ There is a free implementation available, ask me about <mesa>. |
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| 08:33.52 | wols | !tell \3TATUK about fglrx |
| 08:34.05 | \3TATUK | fglrx doesn't work for my card |
| 08:34.22 | \3TATUK | must use the open source 'radeon' driver... |
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| 08:35.57 | babilen | \3TATUK: Do you have firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-dri installed? (you need non-free for that) |
| 08:36.03 | Dewi | \3TATUK: |
| 08:36.06 | Dewi | \3TATUK: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver |
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| 08:36.56 | Dewi | \3TATUK: obviously ubuntu != debian, but the opensource drivers should be very similar |
| 08:37.26 | \3TATUK | babilen: just realized i didn't have firmware-linux-nonfree installed |
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| 08:38.05 | babilen | \3TATUK: That would explain it. Install it and reboot please |
| 08:38.37 | Dewi | you need non-free firmware for the opensource driver? |
| 08:38.53 | Dewi | kind of defeats the purpose... |
| 08:39.15 | \3TATUK | for *3D acceleration* |
| 08:39.25 | \3TATUK | things still *work* without it Dewi |
| 08:39.27 | \3TATUK | just not as fast |
| 08:40.41 | \3TATUK | thanks |
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| 08:43.04 | \3TATUK | Still: OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer |
| 08:43.44 | wols | what driver is your X using right now? |
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| 08:44.47 | \3TATUK | radeon |
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| 08:46.45 | Elirips | d |
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| 08:47.15 | Elirips | Someone knows about a program available in debian that has a fast implementation of a flood-fill algorithm, and can be called from the console? |
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| 08:52.10 | valdyn | Elirips: "apt-cache search flood fill" |
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| 08:53.41 | Elirips | valdyn, thanks. I noted that imagemagick could do the job, fighting with the syntax |
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| 08:54.51 | wols | \3TATUK: you should go over your Xorg.0.log carefully and check all messages, especially for the radeon driver |
| 08:55.07 | \3TATUK | the folks in #radeon are helping.. |
| 08:55.44 | \3TATUK | do you know the command to check runtime kernel config? |
| 08:56.10 | project2501b | jelly-home: good question. i think i mean, building a piece of software in a particular way, so it can be independent of a certain hierarchy |
| 08:56.28 | project2501b | did i mention i do not want to do any work today? |
| 08:57.06 | \3TATUK | * oh i think /boot/config* |
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| 08:57.41 | QBeeTemp | hello all |
| 08:57.42 | thewanderer1 | \3TATUK: cat /boot/config-$(uname -r) # for example... this is quite handy |
| 08:58.20 | \3TATUK | yeah, wasn't there a way to even hack the config realtime without recompiling? (assuming it was compiled with that option) |
| 08:58.21 | QBeeTemp | anyone knows freenx alternative for squeeze? |
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| 08:59.55 | thewanderer1 | \3TATUK: not really... your best bet is sysctl, but you can't just change the config and expect things to work since config pulls in dependencies etc. |
| 09:00.23 | \3TATUK | k |
| 09:00.26 | \3TATUK | thanks |
| 09:01.11 | \3TATUK | so in order to set CONFIG_DRM_RADEON_KMS i'd have to recompile? |
| 09:02.39 | thewanderer1 | or get a binary package that already has that enabled, but yeah |
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| 09:17.46 | Guest73792 | Hi, I`m using preseed to automatic install some servers. It would be very usefull, if I can preseed a custom route like "route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth0". Is this possible in my preseed.cfg? |
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| 09:19.39 | project2501b | hmmm. can i have a partition where nobody can run binaries from? |
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| 09:20.26 | thewanderer1 | project2501b: mount it as noexec. then watch as your users copy the files over to their homes or to /tmp and run them anyway :) |
| 09:20.28 | Guest73792 | @project2501b mount option "noexec" |
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| 09:21.07 | project2501b | thewanderer1: i was thinking of making /home noexec |
| 09:21.17 | t4c | Hi there, I need for one of my customers a debian grsecurity/pax doku, is there somethin official? Didn't find ist |
| 09:21.41 | project2501b | copying their files to /scratch will not be a problem. things older than 15 days will get whipped anywayl. |
| 09:22.00 | thewanderer1 | t4c: wikibooks have a nice in-depth manual, not Debian-oriented but good anyway |
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| 09:22.25 | thewanderer1 | project2501it might work, but don't forget about /tmp... actually, scan your whole / recursively with find and shoot down anything that can let them write freely |
| 09:22.26 | kgoetz | Guest73792: you can specify a pre run command and a post run. add your route entry there |
| 09:22.55 | t4c | thewanderer1: Thank you! |
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| 09:23.41 | guardiola | is away: Gone away for now |
| 09:23.48 | Guest73792 | @kgoetz: you are right, in /etc/network/interfaces I can do this. But this file isn`t there, when debian-installer runs... |
| 09:24.34 | project2501b | thewanderer1: my thoughts exactly |
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| 09:24.59 | kgoetz | Guest73792: no, you can do it in the preseed. d-i preseed/early_command |
| 09:25.25 | kgoetz | ThorstenS: pass it a string which is your command |
| 09:25.56 | ThorstenS | @kgoetz: ok, I will try this. Hope netowrking is there, when early_command is run |
| 09:26.19 | kgoetz | ThorstenS: that i don't know off hand |
| 09:27.23 | thewanderer1 | project2501b: if you want reliable restrictions, get grsecurity and enable Trusted Path Execution in the config, so that users can only execute files from dirs writable only by root |
| 09:27.34 | kgoetz | ThorstenS: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apbs05.html#preseed-hooks not sure if this will help |
| 09:27.47 | thewanderer1 | (btw. I don't know how this works with ACL... I hope it uses access() ) |
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| 09:29.19 | ThorstenS | @kgoetz: thanks, there I started building my preseed. .. Just build the CD, and my KVM Server will tell me in a minute, if early_command works. ;-) |
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| 09:31.38 | BrixSat | Hello |
| 09:33.11 | BrixSat | i need some help! I have setted up a lamp server correctly but not that i have virtualhost on apache with a few users i cant get it to work correctly, the files are sended via ftp and all goes ok, but if the php tries to create them it gets no permission. |
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| 09:33.41 | BrixSat | the files are 644 and the folders 755 owned by userX and group www-data |
| 09:34.07 | BrixSat | the problem is i can create files either trought php either trought ftp |
| 09:34.50 | ThorstenS | @Kamping_Kaiser: what a pitty, Its to early. eth0 isn´t there :-/ thanks for your help! |
| 09:35.04 | thewanderer1 | BrixSat: if Apache's PHP runs as www-data, and the permissions are 755, what would you expect? :P |
| 09:35.28 | BrixSat | thewanderer1: but how should it be setted? |
| 09:35.42 | thewanderer1 | BrixSat: do you have a few separate users there? |
| 09:35.49 | thewanderer1 | (that shouldn't mess with each other's files?) |
| 09:35.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | thewanderer1: shame. have a look at the other sections of the d-i manual, it might help you out in different sections |
| 09:35.57 | BrixSat | yes |
| 09:36.11 | BrixSat | on other serves in cpanel accounts i see the files as 644 and folders as 755 and it works :S |
| 09:36.19 | thewanderer1 | Kamping_Kaiser: he already went, your autocomplete failed :P |
| 09:36.36 | thewanderer1 | BrixSat: just a moment, I'm fetching a link |
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| 09:36.41 | BrixSat | ok |
| 09:37.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | thewanderer1: :/ yeah |
| 09:37.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | thewanderer1: sorry about that |
| 09:37.13 | thewanderer1 | BrixSat: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=50780 |
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| 09:37.55 | wols | BrixSat: and in other servers, shitty php scripts can create files anywhere, including _other_ php files which then neatly utterly own said servers. isn't 755 great? |
| 09:38.20 | BrixSat | so what should be my permissions? |
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| 09:38.34 | wols | thewanderer1 gave you a link |
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| 09:38.49 | BrixSat | wols: that is for suphp :p im reading it |
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| 09:39.10 | BrixSat | afaik suphp is for avoiding users to write on each other directories |
| 09:39.39 | wols | there is no single fits all solution to the problem. the distro just sits on the side if caution and safety. if the owner wants/needs to open it up he can do so |
| 09:40.18 | wols | e.g. Ive seen commercial sharehosters who only allow uploads via a cgi php for example |
| 09:40.36 | BrixSat | reading it :) thanks |
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| 09:40.41 | thewanderer1 | BrixSat: yes, but also for letting Apache write to their directories, because it fork()s and setuid()s to the owner's UID/GID |
| 09:41.03 | BrixSat | yes that may be what i want =) |
| 09:41.21 | BrixSat | im using lighttpd but i get the ideia =) (hope it works with it :p) |
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| 09:42.24 | thewanderer1 | suPHP with lighty? nope, you have to set up a separate FastCGI for each user :/ |
| 09:42.50 | BrixSat | :s hooo crap :p |
| 09:42.53 | thewanderer1 | that's why I use Apache2 for users' sites and lighttpd for main production sites on my servers |
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| 09:43.10 | BrixSat | i have only one user with all the accounts inside |
| 09:43.19 | thewanderer1 | hmm like what? O.o |
| 09:43.53 | BrixSat | like /home/lighttpd/site2.com /home/lighttpd/site3.com and so on as im the only one who manages the sites |
| 09:44.14 | thewanderer1 | so multiple sites, but only 1 admin of all them? |
| 09:44.18 | imc | Hello good people! My girlfriend's laptop's running a "lenny" with kde 3.5. I was thinking about upgrading to the new stable but she is really used to kde 3.5. Is it still possible to use it on a "squeeze"? |
| 09:44.20 | BrixSat | yes :) |
| 09:44.36 | babilen | imc: not really |
| 09:44.38 | BrixSat | i think that way suphp on lighty will be easier |
| 09:44.41 | thewanderer1 | BrixSat: in that case, just launch PHP5 as FastCGI in lighty but as your UID and www-data GID |
| 09:44.44 | imc | babilen: I see.. |
| 09:44.58 | babilen | imc: better get used to kde4 or look for alternatives |
| 09:45.05 | imc | babilen: indeed |
| 09:45.07 | babilen | !tell imc -about trinity |
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| 09:45.11 | indro | hi all |
| 09:45.13 | BrixSat | thewanderer1: humm how do i do that? you know? |
| 09:45.18 | indro | is there a way to restart the sound system? |
| 09:45.23 | imc | babilen: :P |
| 09:45.40 | indro | it was /etc/init.d/alsa restart in the past |
| 09:45.49 | indro | but that doesnt seem working anymore |
| 09:45.56 | indro | (debian sid) |
| 09:45.56 | thewanderer1 | BrixSat: not really sure, I've been on Cherokee lately... check the wiki |
| 09:45.57 | babilen | imc: Note that we don't recommend or support it. Just wanted to mention trinity, you are on your own (or with the trinity folk) -- I wouldn't go that way, but wanted to mention it. |
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| 09:46.11 | BrixSat | =) i will |
| 09:46.27 | imc | babilen: well, I will see, I'll try that on a virtual machine beforehand |
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| 09:46.39 | imc | eventually she will get used to kde 4 |
| 09:46.47 | thewanderer1 | imc: you can install her a virtual machine as well :P |
| 09:46.55 | thewanderer1 | (with KDE4) |
| 09:46.59 | imc | (altough I personally think that many thing were better on kde 3.5 |
| 09:47.10 | QBeeTemp | anyone uses freenx under squeeze? i read some post about using intrepid repos to give freenx support to squeeze, what do you think about it? |
| 09:47.26 | imc | for better i mean simpler/more intuitive |
| 09:47.29 | thewanderer1 | QBeeTemp: better not :P |
| 09:47.43 | indro | QBeeTemp: usually dont mix ubuntu sources with debian. ;) |
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| 09:47.52 | indro | *repos |
| 09:48.18 | babilen | imc: You'll either get used to kde4 or switch to an alternative. If you are really interested, you might want to help trinity (but I doubt that it'll be successful, but who knows?) |
| 09:48.35 | QBeeTemp | @thewanderer1: ok, thak you |
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| 09:50.10 | wols | I need suggestions for a better looking grub menu. the background picture debian uses by default is simply atrocious :( anyone use a prettier grub2 and tell me where he got it? |
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| 09:51.13 | thewanderer1 | wols: I enabled graphical mode once. couldn't start GRUB and had to insert rescue disks with installed GRUB that works, and repair the thing :D |
| 09:51.35 | imc | babilen: well, until qt/kdelibs and other libs dependencies can still be installed/are comptible, why not? |
| 09:51.59 | imc | *or* I could use nix-env ;P |
| 09:52.16 | wols | I simply refuse to let new grub2 blight my shiny new thinkpad. it's a disgrace. grub 1 looked plain, but it was OK. this is just unspeakable |
| 09:52.21 | imc | maybe there is still an old commit with kde 3.5 in it |
| 09:52.52 | thewanderer1 | wols: disable the background picture, you get an instant "pro" look |
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| 09:54.18 | wols | thewanderer1: well, I've seen via google images what is possible with grub2, and now I want that too! if it fails, I can always go back to "plain" :) |
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| 09:56.32 | thewanderer1 | guess you mean BURG |
| 09:58.02 | wols | unfortunately yes. not sure if I want to install that yet |
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| 09:58.36 | wols | probably first try it in a VM, to see if it'S actualls working as intended |
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| 10:00.34 | erore | I installed fresh deb squeeze. I did apt-get install gcc make which installed gcc ver 4.4.5, however, I need gcc 4.3.5, so I did apt-get remove gcc. Now how do I install gcc version 4.3.5? |
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| 10:01.12 | thorsten__ | @erore: aptitude install gcc-4.3 |
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| 10:03.09 | erore | thorsten__: oops I get, no packages will be installed, upgraded or removed... |
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| 10:04.01 | thewanderer1 | do I still need to enable debian-multimedia to get ffmpeg capable of converting to "MP3"? |
| 10:04.32 | thewanderer1 | or has sth changed over the years? |
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| 10:05.43 | jazzencat | hello |
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| 10:07.06 | jazzencat | which repository would gnome3 be found in on debian? |
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| 10:08.04 | streuner | jazzencat: /msg dpkg gnome3 |
| 10:08.05 | wols | jazzencat: none |
| 10:08.19 | jazzencat | not ready for prime-time then |
| 10:08.22 | jazzencat | :) |
| 10:08.37 | streuner | jazzencat: none? |
| 10:08.46 | streuner | ehm Wols :-) |
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| 10:09.03 | streuner | wols: check out the status of GNOME 3 in Debian |
| 10:09.30 | jazzencat | kinda rats |
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| 10:09.49 | jazzencat | guess i'll stick with the current gnome and replace the WM with e16 |
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| 10:15.04 | webad_13 | how can I limit 'cat /dev/urandom|od -N4 -An -i' to numbers from 0 to 10 |
| 10:15.42 | webad_13 | how can I limit 'cat /dev/urandom|od -N1 -An -i' to numbers from 0 to 10 * |
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| 10:17.46 | darkskiez | webad_13, echo $(($RANDOM%11)) |
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| 10:19.31 | webad_13 | darkskiez, nice..... but isn't RANDOM limited in terms of numbers - I know that I asked only until 10, but I think there was a limit as to how large of a number RANDOM could give |
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| 10:22.29 | webad_13 | here is it, echo $((`cat /dev/urandom|od -N1 -An -i`%10)) |
| 10:23.29 | imc | mmm oldstable mirrors are up at least until a new release, right? |
| 10:24.17 | darkskiez | webad_13 up to 32767 |
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| 10:24.32 | darkskiez | the %10 will limit the numbers 0-9 not 0-10 |
| 10:24.34 | thewanderer1 | imc: hmm nope, I'd give it a few months, maybe a year, not more |
| 10:24.48 | imc | argh |
| 10:25.09 | thewanderer1 | after that, you can switch to archive.debian.org, but no security updates for you |
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| 10:25.19 | imc | I see |
| 10:25.24 | imc | good enough |
| 10:25.41 | thewanderer1 | no, really, KDE4 is usable :P |
| 10:25.52 | darkskiez | gnome3 is...erm.. |
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| 10:26.22 | darkskiez | i love the fact gnome-terminal has searchable history at last. |
| 10:26.29 | imc | thewanderer1: i'm using it, i know :) |
| 10:26.49 | imc | darkskiez: shell have that too |
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| 10:35.18 | BrixSat | WARNING: this version of the GNU libc requires kernel version 2.6.26 or later. Please upgrade your kernel before installing glibc. how do i fix this? cause i cant install nothing |
| 10:35.50 | thewanderer1 | and your kernel is what? |
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| 10:37.25 | BrixSat | thewanderer1: how do i see it? |
| 10:37.55 | thewanderer1 | uname -r |
| 10:38.12 | BrixSat | 2.6.18-238.5.1.el5.028stab085.3 |
| 10:38.23 | thewanderer1 | that's the reason then... |
| 10:38.46 | BrixSat | ok but how do i fix it? it does not install anything |
| 10:38.53 | thewanderer1 | upgrade the kernel? |
| 10:39.01 | BrixSat | if i do apt-get installl as sugested it does not install |
| 10:39.14 | thewanderer1 | ok well, are you on a VPS of some kind? |
| 10:39.55 | BrixSat | yes vps |
| 10:40.29 | thewanderer1 | are you the HN admin? |
| 10:40.47 | BrixSat | im the admin on the vps not the vps server |
| 10:41.07 | BrixSat | http://pastebin.com/rTxBtmSg |
| 10:41.20 | BrixSat | does that matters? |
| 10:41.41 | thewanderer1 | ok, what Debian release are you running? |
| 10:42.19 | webad_13 | darkskiez, how come that the remained is not returned when u do echo $((13%10)) |
| 10:42.56 | webad_13 | ah sorry, I just saw that it is returned |
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| 10:44.01 | BrixSat | Distributor ID: Debian Description: Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.8 (lenny) Release: 5.0.8 Codename: lenny |
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| 10:44.45 | Bushmills | webad_13: are you trying to use $RANDOM in a script, with a /bin/sh hashbang, instead of /bin/bash ? |
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| 10:46.31 | themill | BrixSat: that's not a lenny system that you have though; it's a mixture of lenny and sid. |
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| 10:46.50 | BrixSat | :S |
| 10:47.42 | BrixSat | themill: :S ant solutions? |
| 10:47.57 | themill | !partial downgrade |
| 10:47.57 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g' See <not available> |
| 10:48.12 | themill | BrixSat: ^^ either that, or restore from a recent backup that is lenny only. |
| 10:49.06 | BrixSat | cant i upgrade it to sid? |
| 10:49.29 | Bushmills | !sid |
| 10:49.30 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian, but in #debian-next on irc.debian.org. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 10:49.53 | webad_13 | Bushmills, my default shell is bash - doesn't make difference then right? |
| 10:49.59 | themill | BrixSat: that would be a very bad idea. |
| 10:50.13 | themill | webad_13: /bin/sh is not necessarily bash. If you want bash, use #!/bin/bash |
| 10:50.14 | Bushmills | webad_13: doesn't. the hashbang explicitely specifies the interpreter |
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| 10:50.49 | themill | BrixSat: you could try upgrading to squeeze. Well... upgrading some packages and downgrading others. You'd do better to downgrade completely to lenny and then do lenny->squeeze |
| 10:50.52 | webad_13 | ok |
| 10:51.06 | Bushmills | if you specify python in hashbang, it will be python, not your "default" bash , which is used |
| 10:52.00 | BrixSat | humm so if i put in /etc/apt/sources.lst only the lenny repos is it enought? |
| 10:52.34 | BrixSat | it gives the option to remove tons of files :| |
| 10:52.35 | Bushmills | extend range of $RANDON to 30 bits: echo $(((RANDOM<<15)+RANDOM)) |
| 10:52.38 | themill | BrixSat: no, you need to read what dpkg said carefully. There's a lot more that needs doing given the current state of your machine |
| 10:52.40 | Bushmills | RANDOM |
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| 10:55.28 | BrixSat | themill: i think im not going to move on it :S to "expert" for me atm |
| 10:56.32 | themill | BrixSat: have you removed sid from your sources.list and re-run "apt-get update"? |
| 10:56.42 | BrixSat | yes |
| 10:57.19 | BrixSat | now should i do apt-get upgrade? |
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| 10:58.20 | Bushmills | i'd use aptitude . aptitude has some support for downgrading, when purging packages |
| 10:58.47 | Bushmills | conflict management can offer "downgrade package" as alternative |
| 10:59.10 | webad_13 | Bushmills, by extending the range do you affect in any case the randomness of RANDOM? |
| 10:59.36 | BrixSat | Bushmills: how :D aptitude upgrade? |
| 10:59.50 | webad_13 | Bushmills, is it better to use /dev/urandom |
| 10:59.55 | Bushmills | webad_13: difficult to say. i don't know how well RANDOM maintains randomness for consecutively requested numbers |
| 11:00.14 | BrixSat | Bushmills: aptitude safe-upgrade ? |
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| 11:00.21 | Bert_2 | Hi, is www-data supposed to own files in /proc ?a |
| 11:00.31 | Bushmills | webad_13: i'd say it is better to use /dev/random than either /dev/urandom or $RANDOM |
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| 11:01.35 | Bushmills | BrixSat: no. picking sid packages one by one, purging them, i'd do. |
| 11:01.37 | thewanderer1 | does Debian in Squeeze support LAME encoding? otherwise, how do I force apt to get the package from multimedia, instead of the usual repo? |
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| 11:02.01 | Bushmills | when they purge, install again. you may do with simply removing instead of purging |
| 11:02.06 | thewanderer1 | Bert_2: yes |
| 11:02.30 | Bushmills | but if you haven't customised the config of a package, i'd still prefer purging |
| 11:02.33 | themill | Bushmills: one of the packages in question is libc6. I don't think purging and reinstalling that would be a good plan. |
| 11:02.44 | Bushmills | uh-oh |
| 11:02.50 | Bert_2 | thewanderer1: okey, is there then an easy way to find out what is using up all my server's bandwidth ? |
| 11:03.09 | thewanderer1 | themill: aptitude install libc6/stable # does it sound like it could work? |
| 11:03.31 | themill | Bushmills: but I *think* libc6 is only at preinst stage so should be fairly easily reversible. |
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| 11:04.01 | thewanderer1 | Bert_2: run jnettop or nettop (or any other similar tool) and see what connections are open. you can correlate TCP port numbers to programs using `netstat -tp`. |
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| 11:04.36 | themill | thewanderer1: yeah, but I'd use the interactive interface for this as you're possibly going to need to do a lot of mucking about to get it to work. (i.e. what dpkg said for "partial downgrade") |
| 11:05.01 | Bert_2 | thewanderer1, and can I run that app in the background so I can do research over a full 24h period ? |
| 11:05.23 | thewanderer1 | Bert_2: you can, but it's not gonna be productive - it only displays real-time results |
| 11:05.23 | webad_13 | Bushmills, I agree but I don't know of a better one than /dev/urandom when u need unblocked sequences |
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| 11:05.39 | Bert_2 | thewanderer1, no way to log it ? |
| 11:05.46 | thewanderer1 | Bert_2: you should probably get tcpdump running and storing the results somewhere, and later read them with a log analyser |
| 11:05.51 | thewanderer1 | err dump analyser |
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| 11:06.54 | thewanderer1 | !tell Bert_2 about ntop |
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| 11:07.49 | Bushmills | webad_13: having enough entropy should do. cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail tells how much you do. |
| 11:08.42 | thewanderer1 | Bert_2: also, ntop is available on backports.debian.org, despite its absence in Squeeze |
| 11:08.43 | Bert_2 | thewanderer1, thx man :D |
| 11:09.00 | webad_13 | Bushmills, thanx I didn't know about that one |
| 11:09.31 | webad_13 | Bushmills, it is funny how when u move the mouse u get more entropy |
| 11:09.49 | webad_13 | I am going with the mouse like crazy |
| 11:09.50 | webad_13 | :) |
| 11:09.52 | Bushmills | normal. mouse is one source of entropy |
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| 11:18.22 | thewanderer1 | guys, how do I tell apt to install a package from debian-multimedia.org instead of main repo? |
| 11:19.51 | imc | tough not handy, download the deb and use dpkg |
| 11:20.11 | imc | (not an apt-get expert myself, but it works) |
| 11:20.31 | stew | thewanderer1: aptitude install package=version |
| 11:20.43 | imc | guys at debian-multimedia.org should really put "newer" version or different package name, so it's done automatically |
| 11:20.50 | thewanderer1 | stew: does apt support that too? |
| 11:20.59 | stew | yes |
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| 11:21.07 | thewanderer1 | or how would I just follow a certain repo? |
| 11:21.09 | thewanderer1 | pin it? |
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| 11:23.23 | thewanderer1 | pinning doesn't seem to work - apt is not picking up dependencies |
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| 11:24.32 | BrixSat | no matter what i do i always end in aborted kernel to old |
| 11:25.06 | BrixSat | FATAL: kernel too old |
| 11:25.29 | thewanderer1 | for backports there seems to be -t backports... any equivalent for multimedia? |
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| 11:27.11 | project2501b | /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible library... wtf |
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| 11:28.54 | thewanderer1 | btw. =version doesn't work in this case, either |
| 11:29.23 | thewanderer1 | deps are not resolved from dmm - apt somehow assumes I want the normal repos only |
| 11:30.06 | thewanderer1 | oh, okay, it was just my weird apt-pinning :P |
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| 11:35.34 | Nu^253r | hi, can someone help me out? |
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| 11:35.49 | Nu^253r | i get this error while i try to compile a module |
| 11:35.51 | Nu^253r | http://pastebin.com/Qp0GUPZj |
| 11:36.14 | project2501b | Nu^253r: depends, what do you need to help with |
| 11:36.17 | project2501b | !ask to ask |
| 11:36.17 | dpkg | Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're unsure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>. |
| 11:37.20 | jelly | Nu^253r: is linux-headers-$(uname -r) package installed? |
| 11:37.53 | jelly | Nu^253r: make sure you have that and build-essential |
| 11:38.10 | Nu^253r | they are installed jelly |
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| 11:46.45 | Nach | I just created some new partitions with fdisk, what do I do so they show up in /dev? |
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| 11:47.29 | thewanderer1 | Nach: partprobe |
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| 11:47.53 | Nach | I seem to have no such command available |
| 11:47.59 | thewanderer1 | ,file partprobe |
| 11:48.02 | judd | partprobe in squeeze/i386: parted: sbin/partprobe |
| 11:48.21 | thewanderer1 | parted package, then |
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| 11:49.56 | Elirips | Tom, how do you have any reasonable values for the tx, ty, tcx and tcy params for xycuts? |
| 11:50.07 | Elirips | oops, wrong window sorry |
| 11:51.02 | Nach | thewanderer1: okay that worked, thanks |
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| 12:00.04 | jelly | thewanderer1: also, blockdev --rereadpt /dev/diskdevice |
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| 12:11.22 | SURFkees | Hi, |
| 12:11.35 | SURFkees | I'm trying to sign a package I created using debsign |
| 12:11.54 | SURFkees | I see the .changes file got pgp info added |
| 12:12.25 | SURFkees | but when I add the package to my repository, it doesn't seem to install correctly via apt-get without a warning about an unverified package |
| 12:12.33 | SURFkees | how can I manually verify my .deb? |
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| 12:13.40 | armnotstrong | it is said that google-chrome-os released today |
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| 12:16.04 | DarkSun | hi all |
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| 12:17.16 | DarkSun | i've a problem with my nvidia geforce 8600M GS |
| 12:17.34 | themill | SURFkees: verification by apt is at the repository level; the changes files are just about changes to the repository and whether they should be permitted or not. (it's Release.gpg that you need to be generating and importing the key that signed it). |
| 12:17.44 | DarkSun | it works only with vesa driver and not with nvidia-glx |
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| 12:20.05 | DarkSun | is there a solution for my problem? |
| 12:20.09 | justin_ | DarkSun: what problem? |
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| 12:21.27 | DarkSun | justin_: my nvidia geforce 8600M GS works with only vesa drivers and when I install nvidia-glx, the window before login will be black |
| 12:21.40 | armnotstrong | Darksun: have you tried the driver made by nvidia? |
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| 12:21.51 | justin_ | nvidia-glx is the driver made by nvidia |
| 12:22.01 | DarkSun | right |
| 12:22.08 | justin_ | DarkSun: pastebin your xorg log |
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| 12:22.36 | ooxi | hi is it possible to clone a running system? like scp -r / <remote-host>? |
| 12:22.48 | ooxi | there are some special directories which do not work |
| 12:22.52 | ooxi | i know that |
| 12:23.07 | ooxi | but i want to clone a system running in production into a virutal machine |
| 12:23.26 | DarkSun | justin_: if i grep EE in /var/log/Xorg.0.log/ there is only synaptics error |
| 12:23.33 | justin_ | ooxi: restore the backups into the VM |
| 12:23.44 | justin_ | DarkSun: that's nice |
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| 12:24.42 | DarkSun | justin_: any idea? |
| 12:24.47 | justin_ | DarkSun: pastebin your xorg log |
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| 12:25.18 | joet | hi, someone buid from source a cross gcc ? |
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| 12:25.39 | DarkSun | justin_: http://pastebin.com/NpEWUBZ6 |
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| 12:26.19 | justin_ | DarkSun: pastbin your xorg log from when you try the nvidia driver. |
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| 12:27.09 | DarkSun | ah, ok. but i have to stop gdm before trying it |
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| 12:28.01 | DarkSun | i'll try right now |
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| 12:30.17 | Bushmills | ooxi: no. ownership and probably permissions would change. either tar, scp, untar, or look at rsync |
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| 12:31.36 | ooxi | justin_ i cannot restore from a backup because the machine has none. is some /really/ old server still running in production and i don't want to restart it because probably it will never start again :/ |
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| 12:31.47 | ooxi | Bushmills so tar over ssh it preferable? |
| 12:32.00 | Bushmills | for keeping permissions and ownership, yes |
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| 12:34.35 | DarkSun | justin_: http://pastebin.com/PGDURD2J |
| 12:35.20 | justin_ | DarkSun: NOW you can search for EE |
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| 12:36.07 | DarkSun | justin_: http://pastebin.com/jBNZzUPu |
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| 12:36.27 | justin_ | DarkSun: YOU need to read it, not me |
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| 12:37.21 | fabioluciano | Can i put a expression like this in a trigger http://pastebin.com/qUUbvArT ? I tried all possible ways and could not divide the value of the load by the number of cpus |
| 12:37.42 | fabioluciano | ow... wrong window... sorry |
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| 12:38.16 | DarkSun | justin_: could you help me? |
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| 12:38.31 | justin_ | DarkSun: read what you just pasted |
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| 12:38.53 | DarkSun | i'm here for getting help |
| 12:39.36 | justin_ | DarkSun: and reading what you just pasted would help you |
| 12:39.59 | DarkSun | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:40.37 | justin_ | did you install the nvidia kernel module? |
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| 12:42.03 | DarkSun | justin_: i've installed nvidia-glx |
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| 12:42.52 | DarkSun | justin_: if you want to know if nvidia-kernel-common is installed, yes |
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| 12:43.01 | justin_ | nvidia-kernel-common is not the nvidia kernel module |
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| 12:43.21 | DarkSun | and what packages is it? |
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| 12:43.59 | justin_ | what does dmesg say? |
| 12:44.41 | DarkSun | what about? |
| 12:44.50 | DarkSun | consult the NVIDIA README for details. |
| 12:44.51 | DarkSun | this? |
| 12:45.00 | justin_ | no |
| 12:45.01 | justin_ | dmesg |
| 12:45.33 | DarkSun | http://pastebin.com/GzAuhY2P |
| 12:46.16 | justin_ | is that the result of grepping for nvidia or everything after the nvidia module starts to load? |
| 12:46.41 | DarkSun | that's the result of grepping for nvidia |
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| 12:47.06 | justin_ | DarkSun: you're not really helping by doing things like that |
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| 12:47.42 | DarkSun | and you're not really helping me. could you say me the package of kernel module? |
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| 12:48.11 | justin_ | forget it |
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| 12:48.21 | TuxOtaku | hey quick question |
| 12:48.49 | DarkSun | justin_: no? |
| 12:48.50 | [4-tea-2] | Howdy. I got a weird problem. I have a system that often (but not always) takes exactly five extra seconds to do a DNS lookup, but _never_ when looking at it with strace. I'm pretty sure the problem started when I upgraded the toolchain to squeeze to build a squeeze kernel. I assume libc6 could be the culprit? |
| 12:49.00 | TuxOtaku | I installed squeeze on an HP ProLiant DL380 and I got an error saying it couldn't load a module called tigon/tg3_tso.bin |
| 12:49.18 | TuxOtaku | so I looked that mod up, downloaded and installed it, now I can't ping anything |
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| 12:49.30 | justin_ | [4-tea-2]: what does /etc/nsswitch.conf have for dns? |
| 12:49.30 | TuxOtaku | yet I can still ssh to the server |
| 12:49.43 | DarkSun | serve a un cazzo 'sto canale |
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| 12:49.51 | TuxOtaku | I uninstalled it too and yet I STILL can't ping anything |
| 12:50.18 | [4-tea-2] | justin_: hosts: files dns |
| 12:50.30 | DarkSun | justin_: would you help me yes or not? |
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| 12:52.46 | DarkSun | justin_: you're useless for this channel. you don't help the users and for this reason, you're useless. |
| 12:52.55 | DarkSun | bye |
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| 12:53.49 | justin_ | sigh, it's a little too early for entitled assholes |
| 12:54.00 | justin_ | TuxOtaku: dmesg say anything interesting? |
| 12:54.22 | cnu | is it possible to list all installed packages not from the debian repository? (built by me etc) |
| 12:54.35 | justin_ | [4-tea-2]: are all your dns servers in /etc/resolv.conf reachable? |
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| 12:54.53 | justin_ | cnu: aptitude has a search option that does that |
| 12:55.02 | cnu | justin_, thank you |
| 12:56.21 | TuxOtaku | justin_, nothing entirely important no...all it really says is that it's looking for the kernel mod |
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| 12:57.44 | [4-tea-2] | justin_: they are, host and nslookup always resolve immediately, while accessing the same hosts by ssh or wget will show the 5s delay (perhaps the gethostbyname() timeout, I agree, but I'm not sure why it should be triggered). |
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| 12:58.14 | [4-tea-2] | justin_: having nscd running or not doesn't seem to make any difference |
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| 12:59.37 | ravn | hi folks, anyone started working on a port to the SE Xperia phones, now that they have released an official way to change the boot process? |
| 12:59.43 | justin_ | TuxOtaku: that's a firmware file, not a kenrel module |
| 13:00.09 | justin_ | [4-tea-2]: can you run tcpdump or such while that is happening ? |
| 13:00.52 | [4-tea-2] | justin_: yeah, I can and I will, thanks. :) |
| 13:01.34 | justin_ | [4-tea-2]: if it's anything network related, that'll show it |
| 13:01.49 | [4-tea-2] | justin_: indeed, excellent advice. |
| 13:02.22 | [4-tea-2] | justin_: I was kinda locked into looking at it from the other perspective. ;) |
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| 13:04.58 | bars0 | Hello everyone. I installed debian stable i386 on my HP thinclient and my soundcard wasn't recognized. Where I shoud start troublesoot this problem? |
| 13:06.02 | [4-tea-2] | justin_: IPv6 - it's timing out waiting for the response to the AAAA record. I'll talk to the network people. tyvm! |
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| 13:06.26 | _hramrach | Hello |
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| 13:09.26 | justin_ | bars0: lspci,dmesg,aplay -l |
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| 13:26.32 | kombi | can't get grub to install on 2TB disks, did I miss something? |
| 13:27.09 | Rienzilla | I had that same problem |
| 13:27.19 | Rienzilla | the installer makes a gpt partition |
| 13:27.37 | Rienzilla | grub needs a special partition to install itself on on gpt (which is called bios boot reserved space, or something like that) |
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| 13:31.59 | kombi | Rienzilla: Does the installer allow for the creation of a boot bios space? |
| 13:32.05 | Rienzilla | yes it does |
| 13:32.15 | kombi | kewl! Thanks! |
| 13:32.15 | Rienzilla | but you must choose manual partitioning |
| 13:32.54 | kombi | I do that allways, allthough I never quite got the advantage of partitions |
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| 13:33.32 | kombi | doing a new installation pass now, thanks Rienzilla! |
| 13:33.48 | Rienzilla | np, good luck |
| 13:34.12 | dvs | kombi: If you have a separate /home partition and reinstall, you won't lose your work. |
| 13:35.34 | justin_ | if you don't have a separate /home partition and can run 3 shell commands, you won't lose you work |
| 13:35.50 | Rienzilla | imo, the biggest advantage of separate partitioning is that one thing filling up a disk won't break other processes |
| 13:36.01 | Rienzilla | i.e. a runway logfile will not cause mail to not be delivered |
| 13:36.04 | Rienzilla | +a |
| 13:37.48 | kombi | point(s) taken! The disadvantage is that some partition is always full and can't be expanded unless there is lvm. But never mind, I'll partition the 2TBs now as one should;) |
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| 13:39.03 | kombi | Rienzilla: Can you recall what the partition type was called in the installer? |
| 13:39.36 | Rienzilla | kombi: yeah well. I always make a /boot partition, and put the rest in LVM (and will not use my entire VG on install, so if I run out of space somewhere I can easily allocate some more) |
| 13:39.57 | Rienzilla | kombi: something like 'bios boot reserved space', and it show up as 'biosgrub' in the overview iirc |
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| 13:41.38 | kombi | can't see it, maybe I need a newer install disk |
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| 13:43.39 | wide_awake | Hello |
| 13:43.43 | Rienzilla | kombi: the squeeze installer should have it |
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| 13:44.15 | wide_awake | I'm looking at replacing a hard drive in one of my servers |
| 13:44.54 | wide_awake | if I remove the current drive, clone it on to a new drive, and put the new drive into the machine, what do I need to do to make sure everything works smoothly? |
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| 13:51.10 | _hramrach | wide_awake: that depends on the server hw/sw configuration |
| 13:52.15 | _hramrach | wide_awake: also are you going to replace it offline, doing hotplug or coldplug, .. |
| 13:52.21 | wide_awake | offline |
| 13:52.35 | wide_awake | actually, I'm not doing it myself, which is the scary part |
| 13:52.42 | wide_awake | this is a server ~1000km away |
| 13:52.54 | _hramrach | offline replacing should just work unless you went out of your way to break it |
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| 13:53.27 | _hramrach | so long as the hardrive is of the same type (PATA-SATA-..) and connected to the same port |
| 13:53.47 | erik333 | ull have some unpartitioned space if the new one is bigger and you just dd it |
| 13:54.17 | _hramrach | that dpoes not count as replacenemt issue :p |
| 13:54.36 | erik333 | well, i just figured he might be replacing for a reason :P |
| 13:55.19 | erik333 | I did it once back in my univ days on gentoo, worked like a charm tbh |
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| 13:55.31 | _hramrach | if you clone with something other than dd you might want to make sure the partition order stays the same |
| 13:55.37 | erik333 | except for the unpartitioned space :P |
| 13:56.31 | _hramrach | some time ago you could not partition a drive that was in use, maybe they fixed it since then |
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| 13:58.34 | wide_awake | sry, phone |
| 13:58.47 | dvs | put'em on hold! |
| 13:59.02 | wide_awake | hehe |
| 13:59.16 | erik333 | or grunt at them and IRC with your other hand |
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| 13:59.33 | wide_awake | ok, so if I 'dd' from the old drive to a new drive of the same type (sata2) and size, it should just work? bootloader and all? |
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| 14:00.29 | erik333 | aslong as it's not currently in use, yes |
| 14:01.05 | wide_awake | ok, so I need to find out how they're going to clone it. |
| 14:01.06 | wide_awake | Thanks! |
| 14:01.11 | erik333 | e.g. as long as nothing changes on the source disk while you dd |
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| 14:03.13 | norbert_ | pretty crowded here |
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| 14:03.27 | norbert_ | not beating the 1709 in #ubuntu though :P |
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| 14:03.48 | dvs | norbert_: they need more help |
| 14:03.52 | norbert_ | :) |
| 14:03.58 | erik333 | well, given unity desktop you might get some influx |
| 14:04.08 | erik333 | already me :P |
| 14:04.09 | dvs | nooooooooo! |
| 14:04.13 | erik333 | :( |
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| 14:05.27 | norbert_ | funny how recently on /. someone asked whether good alternatives for Skype exist when Facebook was considering buying Skype |
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| 14:05.36 | norbert_ | and now Microsoft has bought Skype |
| 14:06.08 | dvs | uh oh |
| 14:06.16 | norbert_ | I'm looking for free software alternatives as I speak, ones that also support voip, and have encryption |
| 14:06.28 | norbert_ | found 6 possible alternatives so far |
| 14:06.47 | norbert_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink_%28software%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekiga http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jitsi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linphone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QuteCom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumble_%28software%29 |
| 14:06.49 | norbert_ | these 6 |
| 14:07.15 | norbert_ | another requirement I set is that it should work under Windows as well, so I can convince everybody in the world to switch |
| 14:07.25 | norbert_ | or at least my buddies :P |
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| 14:08.23 | dvs | in the world? You think big. |
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| 14:09.28 | norbert_ | I was thinking about purple tentacle from Day of the Tentacle :) |
| 14:09.43 | norbert_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BRXmgcBHBM |
| 14:10.25 | norbert_ | take on the world! |
| 14:10.29 | dvs | norbert_: Ekiga is the only one I've heard of. But I've used Skype. |
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| 14:13.05 | norbert_ | yeah, I also used Skype (shame on me) |
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| 14:13.12 | norbert_ | but I've tried the others |
| 14:13.19 | norbert_ | well, Ekiga and Linphone |
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| 14:22.21 | ttiicc | why don't Debian come with SELinux per default and why does it come with fedora? |
| 14:23.20 | AimHere | The second question is probably better aimed at |
| 14:23.22 | stew | ttiicc: debian wouldn't use it by default becuase a large portion of debian installs wouldn't use it. debian is meant for lots of different environments and selinux is only appropriate for some |
| 14:23.24 | AimHere | #fedora or ##fedora |
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| 14:24.18 | babilen | fedora enables selinux by default? |
| 14:24.18 | ttiicc | stew: should servers install it? |
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| 14:24.35 | fdddddd | hello |
| 14:25.07 | fdddddd | i need some help installing the nvidia driver |
| 14:25.14 | fdddddd | anyone wanna help? |
| 14:25.19 | stew | ttiicc: perhaps |
| 14:25.22 | ttiicc | stew: Im gonna use my debian server to host a web-server (tomcat). do you think selinux should be installed or not? |
| 14:25.51 | babilen | !tell fdddddd -about nvidia |
| 14:25.59 | babilen | !tell fdddddd -about nvidia dkms |
| 14:26.08 | babilen | fdddddd: Do you need anything else? |
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| 14:26.23 | stew | ttiicc: its really up to you |
| 14:27.11 | ttiicc | stew: donät know if oyu know it but what would be the deafult recommendadtion? |
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| 14:27.47 | stew | i don't know what that means really |
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| 14:28.00 | stew | we ship selinux capable kernels. if you want to enable it, go ahead |
| 14:28.10 | stew | you'll get additional protection, but you'll pay for it in your time |
| 14:28.29 | nevyn | but that's true of all security measures |
| 14:28.44 | nevyn | chmod 0777 makes everything work. |
| 14:28.59 | ttiicc | Im gona host a webserver on my debian server. the webserver will be tomcat. do oyu guys think that I should install SELinux on the server too or not? |
| 14:29.14 | stew | nevyn: stop, that is false and poor advice in any case |
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| 14:30.00 | ellisgeek | how much traffic are you expecting? |
| 14:30.09 | ttiicc | thanks for your time stew! |
| 14:30.15 | stew | ttiicc: how long will setting up selinux take? |
| 14:30.30 | fdddddd | thanks i'll try the second method |
| 14:30.31 | ttiicc | ellisgeek just under medium |
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| 14:30.54 | ttiicc | stew: I have never been working with selinux |
| 14:31.00 | dvs | ttiicc: I though SELinux was for users which would directly access the machine. |
| 14:31.05 | nevyn | stew: the point was all security is a convienience tradeoff. |
| 14:31.11 | ellisgeek | i was gonna say if it will be low trafic why bother as long as you have backups |
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| 14:33.32 | WL_ | is there a way to automatically delete the oldest files in a directory, when the disk is almost full? |
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| 14:34.06 | WL_ | this is a dir with subdirs, etc |
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| 14:34.34 | pipeline | WL_: find -mtime |
| 14:34.39 | danols | how can I find files that are either .mp3 or .txt with find ? |
| 14:34.41 | pipeline | WL_: or find -ctime |
| 14:34.51 | pipeline | danols: find -iname '*.mp3' -or -iname '*.txt' |
| 14:35.06 | danols | thanks! |
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| 14:36.33 | WL_ | pipeline: thanks, so a script is the only way? no tools for this available? |
| 14:36.40 | WL_ | seemed liek something that's done a lot |
| 14:38.17 | pipeline | WL_: ...find is the tool ! |
| 14:38.32 | pipeline | WL_: find $DIRECTORY -type f -mtime $FOO -exec rm {} \; |
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| 14:38.52 | pipeline | WL_: it *is* something that's done a lot, and GNU find is the tool with which it is done :P |
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| 14:39.08 | WL_ | pipeline: i don't mean files older then x |
| 14:39.29 | WL_ | pipeline: i mean when the disk is almost full, i want to remove the oldest file in a dir, and keep doing that untill there's enough spare room left |
| 14:40.37 | pipeline | WL_: that's a much more complicated task, and no it's not normal. It wuold be about five lines of perl to do that. |
| 14:40.50 | pipeline | WL_: I would just tell users "don't expect files more than a week old" and delete them that way |
| 14:40.55 | pipeline | WL_: the policy you propose is super dagnerous |
| 14:41.06 | danols | guys how come this not working ? find . -iregex '.*php' -print -or -iregex '.*htm.*' -print | xargs grep -Ei '\b[A-Z0-9._%+-]+@[A-Z0-9.-]+\.[A-Z]{2,4}\b' > emails.txt |
| 14:41.07 | pipeline | WL_: what if someone writes a small number of very large files to disk? the entire file share could be deleted to make room for two brand new files |
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| 14:41.15 | danols | it sasy no such file or directory error from grep |
| 14:41.24 | pipeline | danols: you need one print at the end |
| 14:41.34 | pipeline | danols: it is also possible that your CWD doesn't exist |
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| 14:41.54 | danols | pipeline: ? |
| 14:41.56 | WL_ | pipeline: this server has no users.. |
| 14:42.02 | WL_ | pipeline: and never extremely large files |
| 14:42.03 | pipeline | WL_: then why is its disk filling |
| 14:42.09 | WL_ | largest is 100MB or something |
| 14:42.19 | WL_ | pipeline: because it will do surveilance with zoneminde |
| 14:42.21 | WL_ | rwhy is this important? |
| 14:42.28 | WL_ | wanna know anything else about it? |
| 14:42.54 | WL_ | *zoneminder |
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| 14:43.04 | WL_ | only zoneminder's filter to remove old crap does not work |
| 14:43.06 | stew | danols: you'd get that if any filenames contain whitespace (consider using -print0 and xargs -0 if that is the case) |
| 14:43.08 | WL_ | so i need to find another solution |
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| 14:44.05 | pipeline | WL_: because people often ask too-specific questions, and I wanted to make sure you weren't barking up a tree that would get you fucked over |
| 14:44.30 | WL_ | pipeline: sure, it's mostly tiny image files |
| 14:44.39 | WL_ | but also a few larger .avi's |
| 14:44.42 | pipeline | WL_: yeah, I would wring out a perl script to take find output, sort it, delete oldest files, check free space, repeat |
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| 14:44.56 | WL_ | gonna google it some more first pipeline |
| 14:45.01 | WL_ | i'm a sucky programmer |
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| 14:45.22 | WL_ | this has to be done before |
| 14:45.27 | julianoliver | hi. what are my best options for running OpenOffice3.* on Debian Lenny? |
| 14:45.44 | WL_ | i mean someone probably has done this before |
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| 14:46.42 | Seb | julianoliver: http://backports.debian.org/ |
| 14:46.47 | jelly | julianoliver: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 14:47.21 | julianoliver | cheers. |
| 14:47.40 | jelly | ,versions openoffice.org |
| 14:47.42 | judd | Package openoffice.org on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny8; lenny-security: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny11; lenny-backports: 1:3.2.1-11+squeeze2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:3.2.1-11+squeeze2; sid: 1:3.3.0-10; wheezy: 1:3.3.0-10 |
| 14:48.21 | kevin___ | is it possible to install ubuntu in usd device and boot from it and using the same ubuntu installed usb in other systems? |
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| 14:48.57 | jelly | kevin___: we don't really know what ubuntu can do. Ask in #ubuntu channel. |
| 14:48.59 | julianoliver | kevin___: isn't this #debian? |
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| 14:49.46 | kevin___ | is it possible to install debian in usb device and boot from it and using the same debian installed usb in other systems? |
| 14:50.06 | Seb | awesome |
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| 14:50.44 | Bushmills | kevin___: yes. debian live image, for example. |
| 14:50.45 | Seb | kevin___: the debian and ubuntu installer really have very littlei n common, so just s/ubuntu/debian/ in your question is certainly not gonna cut it |
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| 14:51.27 | kevin___ | do you understand my question? |
| 14:52.19 | jhutchins_lt | kevin___: Do you understand the answers you've been given? ubuntu isn't debian. |
| 14:52.35 | Bushmills | "install debian to usb" .. yes. "boot from it" .. yes. "use in other systems" ... yes. you can install to hard disk from that stick, but also run it |
| 14:53.15 | Bushmills | "doing same as ubuntu" .. no idea |
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| 14:53.39 | Bushmills | what can you do with ubuntu what you can't do with debian? |
| 14:53.47 | dynamite | Bushmills: nothing. |
| 14:54.00 | stew | lots of stuff, but its not really relevant here |
| 14:54.06 | dynamite | lots of stuff? |
| 14:54.07 | dynamite | Name one. |
| 14:54.16 | alphamail | i just installed ubuntu, it is slow as heck |
| 14:54.26 | Bushmills | makes not a lot of sense to do nothing, therefore being able to do that on both systems isn't really indicative for differences in their usability |
| 14:54.37 | kevin___ | <Bushmills> thanks for reply, if i use it on some other system, won't it create driver compatibility problem |
| 14:54.39 | stew | dynamite: decode x264 |
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| 14:54.56 | dynamite | stew: bullshit |
| 14:55.05 | dynamite | You are aware of Ubuntu beeing based on Debian? |
| 14:55.17 | stew | dynamite: if you know of software in debian which can do this, let me know |
| 14:55.17 | Bushmills | kevin___: if you try to use x86 debian on ARM system, it *will* create driver incompatibilities |
| 14:55.24 | dynamite | Ubuntu is just made "User-Friendly". |
| 14:55.29 | dynamite | stew: 100% there is one. |
| 14:55.40 | stew | dynamite: which? |
| 14:55.41 | wols | dynamite: name it? it#s only a apt-cache search away... |
| 14:55.56 | kevin___ | Bushmills thanks again |
| 14:56.03 | wols | dynamite: "userfriendly" means "we ship proprietary or patent encumbered software" |
| 14:56.11 | wols | at least in this case |
| 14:56.26 | dynamite | transmageddon - video transcoder for Linux and Unix systems built using GStreamer |
| 14:56.35 | dynamite | thx wols (: |
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| 14:57.04 | wols | dynamite: so transmageddon ships a x264 decoder? |
| 14:57.13 | Bushmills | alphamail: "slow as hell" is also not a qualitative difference, as you can make debian to run slower, if you really wanted to. |
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| 14:57.47 | dynamite | http://packages.debian.org/de/squeeze/transmageddon |
| 14:57.53 | alphamail | compared to puppy, xp, or even windows 7 it is slow |
| 14:57.56 | kevin___ | another question! what are the required codecs to be installed to play 3gp files and converting mp4 to 3gp |
| 14:57.56 | alphamail | i'm not a fan |
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| 14:58.04 | alphamail | maybe the older versions were faster |
| 14:58.19 | wols | kevin___: none. 3gp is a container format, not a codec. generally it uses mpeg4 tho IIRC |
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| 14:58.35 | jhutchins_lt | Blasted trackpad has gone nuts. |
| 14:59.00 | stew | dynamite: this software doesn't include x264 afaict |
| 14:59.19 | wols | "The 3GP file format stores video streams as MPEG-4 Part 2 or H.263 or MPEG-4 Part 10 (AVC/H.264), and audio streams as AMR-NB, AMR-WB, AMR-WB+, AAC-LC, HE-AAC v1 or Enhanced aacPlus " |
| 14:59.36 | stew | dynamite: it offloads to ffmpeg afaict. the ffmpeg in debian wouldn't include this support |
| 14:59.37 | wols | stew: not unless gstreamer itself does since it depends on gstreamer for the work. it's a frontend |
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| 15:00.28 | johndo | are there any other lightweight window managers other than fvwm on debian which have a real focus-follow-mouse mode? |
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| 15:01.24 | stew | dynamite: you can see here that we are holding x264 out of debian currently, as we discuss it with lawyers: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 15:02.00 | Holborn | johndo, I'm pretty happy with pekwm |
| 15:02.03 | wols | x264 will probably end up like mp3 in debian |
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| 15:02.12 | lolcat | stew: VLC supports it? |
| 15:02.30 | Kevin` | lolcat: lots of stuff supports it |
| 15:02.32 | wols | it's already halfway there, the decoding exemption is just temporary now |
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| 15:02.46 | johndo | Holborn: does it have focus-follow-mouse mode? or only sloppy-focus? |
| 15:02.49 | stew | lolcat: without adding non-debian software? (like the x264 packages in marillat's repository) |
| 15:03.13 | Holborn | yes |
| 15:03.21 | lolcat | stew: Not sure, I just know that usually everything I throw at vlc it plays fine |
| 15:03.23 | Kevin` | do you want illegal software or do you not want it? |
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| 15:03.41 | johndo | Holborn: ok, ty, I'll have a look at it |
| 15:03.43 | Kevin` | see me I want the illegal software, so I just enable those repositories and problem solved |
| 15:03.47 | lolcat | Is VLC illegal? |
| 15:03.57 | Holborn | johndo: I dont remember if it's the default mode .. but anyway you can configure it .. |
| 15:04.34 | Kevin` | lolcat: it's impossible to have free software that plays some codecs in certain countries because of patents. you'd have to license it yourself since nobody is doing that for you |
| 15:04.49 | wols | lolcat: depends on your jurisdiction. in some, various media formats are patented and therefore using vlc without a license from patentholders can be illegal |
| 15:05.02 | lolcat | I am in teh EU |
| 15:05.08 | wols | lolcat: that doesn't make it always illegal, it depends on the specific laws in a country |
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| 15:05.39 | johndo | Holborn: no problem, i have to configure it anyway, i want my window manager to behave like i prefer it, not to learn how to use a default configuration of a window manager ;) |
| 15:05.47 | wols | lolcat: patents are a civil matter too, so it's not illegal, you just can be sued for it |
| 15:06.00 | kevin___ | can any one suggest me some conveter for 3gp format? |
| 15:06.00 | julianoliver | wols: yes, this is a good point.. |
| 15:06.36 | gnarface | kevin___: doesn't ffmpeg work? |
| 15:06.48 | lolcat | wols: Ahh, that is chil. Rape here gives payouts like $10000, and using a patented thing can't be that bad in comparison |
| 15:07.28 | kevin___ | gnarface : I tried installing the codecs for 3gp format but the coversion is not happening |
| 15:07.28 | wols | lolcat: you are mistaken. most times patent cases cost a lot more than mere $10000. you can't go to jail for infringement tho |
| 15:07.53 | lolcat | wols: So it is better to rape than to abuse a patent? |
| 15:07.57 | Kevin` | lolcat: nobody is going to actually care, it's only really an issue if you sell a product with it or are otherwise large |
| 15:08.05 | kevin___ | and i dunno how to recompile ffmpeg with the additional 3gp codecs |
| 15:08.18 | lolcat | Kevin`: I am not overweigth, so I guess I willbefine |
| 15:08.26 | wols | kevin___: tried the dmm ffmpeg? /msg dpkg dmm |
| 15:09.53 | kevin___ | wols ; what is that? |
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| 15:10.09 | wols | kevin___: have you messaged dpkg as I told you? |
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| 15:16.02 | jelly | ,versions ffmpeg |
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| 15:16.03 | judd | Package ffmpeg on i386 -- lenny: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny1; lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-multimedia: 3:20070329-0.0etch1; squeeze: 4:0.5.2-6; sid: 4:0.6.2-3; wheezy: 4:0.6.2-3; experimental: 4:0.7~b1-2; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.6.1+svn20101128-0.2; sid-multimedia: 5:0.6.2-0.1; wheezy-multimedia: 5:0.6.2-0.1 |
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| 15:18.24 | wols | wonder what happens to ffmpeg now that it forked |
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| 15:19.40 | kevin___ | i give u[ |
| 15:19.44 | kevin___ | up |
| 15:20.37 | kevin___ | what is the command for creating a tar.gz file |
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| 15:21.35 | wols | tar -czv archive files |
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| 15:24.45 | johndo | kevin___: czf, not czv |
| 15:25.34 | kevin___ | because i wnat to convert the tat.gz file to debian file using aline |
| 15:26.00 | wols | johndo: sorry. mea culpa :( |
| 15:26.13 | wols | kevin___: don't. it never works properly |
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| 15:27.10 | kevin___ | ok |
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| 15:27.39 | kevin___ | i am going to format my kubuntu so i am trying all sot of stuffs |
| 15:27.40 | orzo | so i was chewed out by some hacker for suggesting his script was broken to install 32bit binaries into my x86_64 /bin directory... It all works out on ubuntu, and he said debian is shit if it cant handle it. |
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| 15:28.13 | orzo | is there a defacto standard way to do multilib? |
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| 15:29.04 | wols | orzo: it most probably doesn't work cause some 32bit libraries are missing. where the binary resides doesn't matter |
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| 15:29.53 | orzo | wols, i dont have any 32bit libraries outside my 32bit chroot... but so it would work if i just installed ia32-libs? |
| 15:30.16 | wols | no. it would work if you installed the 32bit libraries it needs. whichever those are |
| 15:30.38 | orzo | it's needs are very basic |
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| 15:31.25 | orzo | wols, i'm using debian squeeze. Can arbitrary 32bit libraries be installed via apt? |
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| 15:32.23 | wols | afaik no |
| 15:32.58 | stew | orzo: perhaps someday with wheezy, not with squeeze |
| 15:33.46 | gnarface | orzo: what does it need? ia32-libs or one of the few lib32* packages may have it |
| 15:34.25 | orzo | gnarface: I already installed it to my 32bit chroot which is fine for me, i am only asking questions out of curiosity |
| 15:34.28 | gnarface | i've run into very few things that are commonly required which don't exist there in fact almost exclusively to do with the recent unstable wine builds, and even then not stuff i've actually needed |
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| 15:34.43 | gnarface | optional requirements |
| 15:34.58 | gnarface | gsm comes to mind |
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| 15:35.27 | lampe222 | hey |
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| 15:35.40 | boudiccas | lampe222, what? |
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| 15:36.20 | lampe222 | i downloaded the newest java bin files and i edited my bashrc but when i type java -version i still got the old one !? |
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| 15:37.55 | wols | ,versions sun-java6-jre |
| 15:37.56 | judd | Package sun-java6-jre on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 6-22-0lenny1; squeeze/non-free: 6.24-1~squeeze1; wheezy/non-free: 6.24-2; sid/non-free: 6.25-2 |
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| 15:38.20 | wols | lampe222: the one you need not available from those? |
| 15:39.37 | lampe222 | wols, i installed one with apt-get and now i downloaded the bin files and editedt my baashrc to set JAVA_HOME to the new destination |
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| 15:40.27 | thegoodcushion | What's the current GNOME version in stable / unstable? |
| 15:40.37 | wols | lampe222: you might need to set your path too |
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| 15:40.59 | stew | judd: versions gnome-session |
| 15:41.01 | judd | Package gnome-session on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.3-2; sid: 2.30.2-3; squeeze: 2.30.2-3; wheezy: 2.30.2-3; experimental: 2.91.93-1; experimental: 3.0.0-2 |
| 15:41.17 | thegoodcushion | ok thx |
| 15:41.18 | stew | thegoodcushion: ^^ 2.30.2-3 for both |
| 15:41.28 | thegoodcushion | GNOME 3 is still in experimental |
| 15:41.35 | lampe222 | wols i do so CLASSPATH=$JAVA_HOME/lib/: and then export |
| 15:41.56 | stew | lampe222: you shouldn't have tto do that |
| 15:42.16 | stew | lampe222: use update-java-alternatives to set the current java version |
| 15:42.37 | stew | oh, you probably shouldn't need to mess with JAVA_HOME either |
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| 15:42.49 | lampe222 | stew, but i only wanne have my java version for my user not for all |
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| 15:43.08 | lampe222 | stew, so i must set it up manualy |
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| 15:44.37 | stew | lampe222: then perhaps create all of the symlinks in ~/bin and add that to your path |
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| 15:47.32 | keith105 | how can i restore my networking config to default? i have borked things with tap0s and bridges |
| 15:47.41 | keith105 | *taps |
| 15:48.11 | stew | keith105: you mean /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 15:48.44 | keith105 | stew: is it just a matter of replacing that with the default to clear bridges i made? |
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| 15:49.41 | stew | keith105: no, as there isn't really a 'default' for that file, perhaps one theory of what a default would be to delete everything but lo, but that would, of course, keep you off the network completely |
| 15:50.21 | keith105 | i have a backup of that file though, if i replace it would that clear taps and bridges i made? |
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| 15:55.13 | jhutchins_lt | keith105: How did you make them in the first place? |
| 15:55.23 | mohalaci | hy |
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| 15:55.54 | Dewi | is there some way an NFS server can identify clients other than by IP? |
| 15:56.03 | mohalaci | i need a good source.list copy for my debian lenny. |
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| 15:56.37 | keith105 | jhutchins_lt: with tunctl, brctl and some routes added |
| 15:56.41 | jhutchins_lt | !lenny sources |
| 15:56.48 | orzo | will gnome3 be backported to squeeze? |
| 15:56.57 | jhutchins_lt | !sources |
| 15:56.57 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 15:56.57 | orzo | eventually |
| 15:57.29 | jhutchins_lt | keith105: I would check the documentation for those programs about how to remove the things they create. |
| 15:58.12 | jhutchins_lt | keith105: Obviously, if you created them by editing the interfaces file, that would be the way to remove them (just comment them out). |
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| 15:58.49 | jhutchins_lt | keith105: You would also need to use something like ifdown to make them inactive (interfaces only provides the information for setting them up automatically). |
| 15:59.05 | mohalaci | when i would like to update, i get this error: |
| 15:59.05 | mohalaci | http://paste.ubuntu.com/605756/ |
| 15:59.11 | keith105 | jhutchins_lt: ok cheers, i think i'll tar over a backup here... and do it again but just editing that file |
| 16:00.02 | romgo | Hello guys, I was trying to switch my server from libpam-ldap to libpam-ldapd but I'm stuck with one thing : I sued to filter access to the server thanks to the pam_filter option in /etc/pam_ldap.conf. This does not work anymore with libpam-ldapd I wasn't able to find a solution any idea ? |
| 16:00.13 | jhutchins_lt | mohalaci: Really shouldn't be using ftp.debian.org |
| 16:00.47 | jhutchins_lt | !mirrors |
| 16:00.47 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
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| 16:01.29 | gnaruag | i have problem with debian |
| 16:01.47 | gnaruag | i installed it in my VPS , i cant apt-get install update or anything with apt-get |
| 16:01.50 | gnaruag | what should I do |
| 16:02.25 | jhutchins_lt | mohalaci: You also appear to have a mix of lenny and squeeze in your sources list, that's a bad idea. |
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| 16:02.54 | mohalaci | okay, what i have to do? |
| 16:03.01 | mohalaci | sorry my bad english...:) |
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| 16:03.34 | gnaruag | anybody ? |
| 16:04.01 | orzo | whats it say when you run it |
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| 16:04.04 | orzo | gnaruag: |
| 16:04.10 | jhutchins_lt | mohalaci: To start with, pastebin your sources.list |
| 16:04.16 | orzo | any helpful error messages? |
| 16:04.19 | jhutchins_lt | mohalaci: Are you trying to run squeeze? |
| 16:06.22 | mohalaci | wait a minuit i have to go.... soon i'll back |
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| 16:06.31 | EugenMayer | Hello. |
| 16:06.36 | gnaruag | orzo ns1:~# apt-get install update |
| 16:06.36 | gnaruag | Reading package lists... Done |
| 16:06.36 | gnaruag | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 16:06.36 | gnaruag | E: Couldn't find package update |
| 16:06.36 | gnaruag | ns1:~# |
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| 16:07.27 | EugenMayer | Did something change with gnome3, that makes it different defining URI handlers ( url-handlers ) ? Suddenly it stopped working only setting it in gconf ( and using xdg-open ) under apps/gnome/url-handler/PROTO/ |
| 16:07.53 | wols | gnaruag: there is no such package "update". try "apt-get update" instead, if that does nothing, fix your sources.list |
| 16:07.53 | gnaruag | orzo, http://paste.debian.net/116550 |
| 16:08.52 | orzo | heh |
| 16:08.59 | orzo | its not "install update" |
| 16:09.07 | orzo | are you trying to run the update command? |
| 16:09.11 | orzo | apt-get update |
| 16:09.18 | gnaruag | will it install also ? |
| 16:09.25 | orzo | what? |
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| 16:09.40 | gnaruag | install the updates |
| 16:09.41 | orzo | maybe you want the upgrade command |
| 16:09.46 | alyur | gnaruag, man apt-get |
| 16:09.50 | orzo | yeah |
| 16:09.58 | orzo | see the man page |
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| 16:10.26 | EugenMayer | i guess thats the answer .. http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xdg/xdg-utils/commit/?id=6f49c05ceb2a1935d07c49c2e100b5cf3cdf5f26 |
| 16:10.40 | orzo | apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade # could be what you want |
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| 16:13.06 | orzo | do any distros already have the multiarch mixing of packages that is being considered for wheezy? |
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| 16:14.25 | gnaruag | :) |
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| 16:19.42 | jhutchins_lt | gnaruag: update updates the local copies of the package lists. upgrade (safe-upgrade, full-upgrade) downloads and installs the new packages. |
| 16:20.25 | jhutchins_lt | gnaruag: To do both at once, aptitude update && aptitude upgrade (will fail if there's an error on the update). |
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| 16:22.29 | dondelelcaro | heh |
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| 16:26.42 | boudiccas | why doesnt this clean the apt-get cache when i run it at 0430 on a sunday morning from a cron job........ 30 4 * * 0 /apt-get clean ? |
| 16:27.52 | gnarface | boudiccas: cause your path to the command is wrong? |
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| 16:30.35 | justin_ | boudiccas: that is what cron.weekly is for |
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| 16:34.50 | gnaruag | jhutchins_lt, :) |
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| 16:50.55 | HideMe | Can anyone suggest something open source for central authentication ? |
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| 16:52.36 | gnarface | that's a pretty broad query |
| 16:52.56 | gnarface | i hesitate to ask you to specify the actual needs |
| 16:53.05 | gnarface | but probably should instead of just saying "LDAP" |
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| 16:55.27 | HideMe | Just looking for broad suggestions, no need to be snarky. |
| 16:55.50 | HideMe | openldap looks dated. |
| 16:55.59 | gnarface | oh well in that case i'm sorry |
| 16:56.04 | gnarface | yea i dont' know of its state |
| 16:56.28 | gnarface | there's lots that matters here and as far as i know nobody has a lot of success with ldap without a lot of work custom integrating it with other system level stuff |
| 16:56.36 | gnarface | (like webmail, ssh access, etc) |
| 16:57.09 | gnarface | the idea of course to be centralizing network authentication mechanisms for all systems, desktops and servers alike, right? |
| 16:57.42 | HideMe | I'm just looking for something to centralize ssh authentication to a few linux/BSD servers.. |
| 16:58.08 | gnarface | oh well ldap is a bit intrusive to be justified for just that |
| 16:58.14 | gnarface | have you looked into ypbind? |
| 16:58.28 | HideMe | Nope. |
| 16:58.44 | gnarface | might be easier to locate as "NIS" |
| 16:59.10 | gnarface | its basically a toolset to synchronize user accounts across *nix type systems |
| 16:59.30 | simonlnu | eeews at NIS(+) |
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| 16:59.44 | gnarface | yea, it has the annoying downside that all the UIDs must match, which can be problematic if you have an already entrenched system |
| 16:59.46 | simonlnu | HideMe: openldap "dated"? |
| 17:00.30 | HideMe | gnarface, interesting. |
| 17:00.49 | gnarface | annoyances aside, NIS is really easy to set up if you have the luxury of a fresh set of UIDs that already match and are easy to keep that way |
| 17:00.52 | HideMe | simonlnu, yes. Not to mention complex for my need. |
| 17:01.28 | gnarface | if you don't however... if you have unexpected UID collisions, things can get hairy |
| 17:01.31 | simonlnu | what's so dated about ldap? seems like a rather ignorant statement. |
| 17:01.57 | simonlnu | dns is "dated" too, how about http or irc? |
| 17:02.15 | simonlnu | those are "dated" too |
| 17:02.32 | gnarface | HideMe: i would say that if there isn't a lot of add/remove traffic to the user tables NIS is probably fine for many purposes, but if there is, you might outgrow it quickly |
| 17:02.43 | babilen | simonlnu: 'dated' and battle-scarred! |
| 17:02.44 | HideMe | simonlnu, do you have nothing better to do than argue on irc? |
| 17:02.53 | simonlnu | i skipped nis completely |
| 17:03.22 | HideMe | I'm simply looking for more suggestions. |
| 17:03.34 | simonlnu | HideMe: yes, i do. i found your statement ignorant. i thought you should be corrected. |
| 17:03.48 | simonlnu | ldap looks complex, but it isn't. |
| 17:04.06 | HideMe | simonlnu, well that isn't going to happen. It is an opinion, deal with it. |
| 17:04.17 | simonlnu | it's about as complex as nis, and some ways easier |
| 17:04.45 | simonlnu | i'm done |
| 17:05.08 | gnarface | i know you CAN make PAM authenticate through LDAP instead of whatever it does by default, but at the time i was unable to find enough documentation to figure it out |
| 17:05.31 | gnarface | what i did find made it look quite difficult |
| 17:05.45 | simonlnu | it's all done for you now. pam-auth-update |
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| 17:05.57 | gnarface | hmm. interesting |
| 17:06.19 | johndo | HideMe: be aware when you consider ldat as dated, then nis is ancient ;) |
| 17:06.30 | gnarface | hah |
| 17:06.33 | gnarface | that's a valid point |
| 17:06.42 | gnarface | nis is older than the hills |
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| 17:07.33 | HideMe | johndo I am not familiar with ldat. |
| 17:07.36 | gnarface | although debian systems have a simple and very predictable uid numbering scheme which makes nis pretty easy to use if you are setting the servers up fresh |
| 17:07.46 | simonlnu | bsd 4 days |
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| 17:09.14 | HideMe | What are some promising ldap projects (besides openldap)? |
| 17:09.41 | simonlnu | OL is the fastest, most complete one, hands down. |
| 17:10.00 | gnarface | HideMe: simonlnu mentioned pam-auth-update, that's where i'd start reading first |
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| 17:10.20 | simonlnu | pam-auth-update simply configure pam modules for you |
| 17:10.26 | simonlnu | configures* |
| 17:10.29 | dberg_ | i have a bcm4312 and networkmanager could see networks but not connect so i looked around online and it sounded like i should install wl and now i dont see any wireless networks |
| 17:10.39 | simonlnu | with a nice debconf interface |
| 17:10.41 | dondelelcaro | ldap is pretty easy to configure |
| 17:10.53 | dondelelcaro | all of the packages have readmes which explain precisely what to do |
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| 17:11.11 | simonlnu | and defaulting to cn=config now, it gets easier. you can configure it online, live. |
| 17:11.48 | simonlnu | there's #ldap and #openldap here |
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| 17:30.00 | silidan | hi, i am on debian lenny, what can i do to see my ntfs partition and my other ext3 partitions under places? (currently i only see the rootfilesystem there) |
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| 17:32.08 | alyur | silidan, fdisk -l |
| 17:32.54 | silidan | yea when i do it as sudo i get all my partitions... |
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| 17:34.16 | silidan | i can see them in nautilus, but when i click on them i get: Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume. |
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| 17:37.34 | silidan | alyur: what do you want to know? my partitions are sdax... the ntfs stuff is shown as id7 and HTPFS/NTFS system |
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| 17:38.17 | pingee | Hi,all,I got a problem here..can i mount a iso image in debian..or how can i uncompress it?? |
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| 17:38.55 | silidan | pingee: yes you can mount and iso image |
| 17:39.00 | silidan | *an |
| 17:39.34 | silidan | pingee: man mount |
| 17:40.06 | pingee | i just install a very basesystem,,after installaion ,i have no pppoe software to dial to network.. |
| 17:40.38 | justin_ | pingee: ppp is for dialing, pppoe is for ppp over ethernet. ppp over ethernet does not dial anything |
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| 17:42.05 | pingee | silidan,,Is mount an iso image going to work extractly the same as insert a cd disk?? |
| 17:42.24 | alyur | silidan, I don't know how nautilus try to mount your filesystems. I use pmount. |
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| 17:43.10 | themill | silidan: it might help if we knew what you were actually trying to accomplish here |
| 17:44.25 | silidan | themill: gettin full rw access to the ntfs drive... |
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| 17:45.29 | silidan | themill: simple sudo mount /dev/sda9 mymountpoint in my users home wont give him access to that mountpoint, if i chmod 777 that mountpoint he can cd into it.. but still wine wont be able to work there... |
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| 17:47.03 | themill | !ntfsrw |
| 17:47.03 | dpkg | If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from the ntfsprogs package (see also Debian bug #508982). See also <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 17:47.47 | themill | silidan: you should "/msg dpkg ntfs-3g" and "/msg dpkg user accessible ntfs" and follow the information there. chmodding 777 is never the right answer and particularly not in this case |
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| 17:48.24 | silidan | themill: thanks ntfs-3g was installed but no i used nfs-3g to mounjt teh stuff now it works |
| 17:48.41 | silidan | thought mount will utilize ntfs-3g... |
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| 18:05.18 | stevieman | I'm writing a little backup script and it's backing up just great, however I would like to write to a log file when the script finihes to say it's done. However I keep getting "backuptest.sh: 49: cannot create var/log/backuplog: Directory nonexistent" |
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| 18:05.48 | stevieman | I am using this in the .sh file to write to the log "echo Backup Finished `date` >> var/log/backuplog" |
| 18:05.53 | thewanderer1 | how much RAM should I need to run a 1080p movie in VLC? I gave it 300MB RSS / 400MB VSZ and it's complaining like hell |
| 18:06.13 | thewanderer1 | if I don't set any ulimits, it just freezes my session (DoSes me... heh) and I have to kill it |
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| 18:06.38 | stevieman | thewanderer1: I was going to say just keep increasing it until it stops complaining :) |
| 18:06.40 | thewanderer1 | btw. Totem simply refuses to play it after some 10 seconds |
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| 18:06.48 | justin_ | thewanderer1: what sort of hardware do you have? |
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| 18:07.13 | thewanderer1 | Core i3, 4GB RAM DDR3, NVIDIA GTX210 or something like that (runs modern games) |
| 18:07.29 | justin_ | using the proprietary nvidia drivers? |
| 18:07.30 | stevieman | wait, I' not giving it a file name to write to |
| 18:07.34 | thewanderer1 | justin_: yes :( |
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| 18:07.43 | guzu | hello all |
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| 18:07.55 | thewanderer1 | got 3GB free right now, which VLC consumes within about 30 seconds from launch |
| 18:08.06 | justin_ | thewanderer1: does mplayer work if you use mplayer -vo vdpau ? |
| 18:08.11 | Bushmills | thewanderer1: try to exit video player, echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr, then restart video player |
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| 18:08.24 | thewanderer1 | Bushmills: errrr, that sounds like a bad idea... O.o |
| 18:08.30 | guzu | i've installed debian 5 and 6 on same computer |
| 18:08.59 | Bushmills | thewanderer1: you can restore mmap_min_addr, if that doesn't help |
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| 18:09.12 | thewanderer1 | well, mplayer doesn't seem to play that at all |
| 18:09.18 | guzu | attempting to multiboot, i've run dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc on d6. it said it found debain 5 on partition 10 and exited without errors |
| 18:09.30 | Bushmills | same here, until i set mmap_min_addr to 0 |
| 18:09.35 | guzu | on reboot, d5 is not present on grub menu |
| 18:09.39 | thewanderer1 | that sounds like a bug |
| 18:09.47 | Bushmills | i think it is |
| 18:09.55 | guzu | how can i tell grub-pc to add d5 to the menu? |
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| 18:11.31 | project2501a | so, guys |
| 18:11.33 | project2501a | why debian? |
| 18:11.51 | thewanderer1 | project2501b: have you not found the way to #d-o ? :P |
| 18:11.56 | stevieman | what does the -p do in mkdir -p? |
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| 18:12.01 | project2501a | answer that question and add the first bluegene/p to be running debian |
| 18:12.05 | project2501a | stevieman: man mkdir |
| 18:12.15 | project2501a | it's in the man page. |
| 18:13.05 | guzu | maybe it's because d5's grub was installed to /boot .... |
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| 18:13.54 | thewanderer1 | Bushmills: alright, I got mplayer to run without this trick, which is questionable security-wise btw. |
| 18:14.17 | thewanderer1 | it also crashes saying end of file, but I guess that's just a corrupted file :P |
| 18:14.19 | nsadmin | what's d5's root partition? |
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| 18:14.38 | stevieman | project2501a: what do they mean by parent dir? How do you create a directory if there is no parent? Does this mena if I say mkdir -p something/dir and /something/ does not exist it will create it where a mkdir without the -p would error? |
| 18:14.41 | guzu | nsadmin, /dev/sda10 |
| 18:14.53 | nsadmin | d5 and d6 have different grubs (version) |
| 18:14.57 | kenjy | hi guys, does some one here have experience setting apache with mod_chroot and php correctly? |
| 18:15.17 | nsadmin | does d5 have separate /boot? |
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| 18:15.29 | guzu | nsadmin, i also have fedora 15 installed, and it is added to the menu |
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| 18:15.40 | guzu | nsadmin, yes |
| 18:15.43 | guzu | /dev/sda5 |
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| 18:16.05 | guzu | nsadmin, all operating systems have one /boot and one / |
| 18:16.11 | guzu | on this machine |
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| 18:16.24 | mohalaci | so, here is my source.list: http://paste.ubuntu.com/605760/ |
| 18:16.43 | nsadmin | ok, so the key to booting each is to have one of the three oses control the grub |
| 18:17.25 | guzu | nsadmin, yes, only grub (v1) is not booting so debian 6 is the natural choice |
| 18:18.02 | mohalaci | and when i do apt-get update i get this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/605818/ |
| 18:18.20 | nsadmin | which grubs are installed in mbr? |
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| 18:18.35 | guzu | nsadmin, d6's grub |
| 18:18.36 | wols | !keyring |
| 18:18.36 | dpkg | i guess keyring is a circular ring of metal for holding keys... in the context of Debian, the public GPG keys. |
| 18:18.46 | wols | grah, wrong factoid |
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| 18:19.15 | johndo | is there any smart way to check which packages are only installed because of suggests of other packages? |
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| 18:19.22 | dvs | ,versions debian-keyring |
| 18:19.22 | judd | Package debian-keyring on i386 -- lenny: 2009.01.18; squeeze: 2010.12.29; sid: 2011.03.03; wheezy: 2011.03.03 |
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| 18:19.35 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 18:19.38 | nsadmin | that would make d6 the natural choice too |
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| 18:19.50 | wols | !tell mohalaci about keys for apt |
| 18:19.58 | wols | mohalaci: that should fix it. I think |
| 18:20.17 | wols | damn, needs an id :( dunno which it is |
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| 18:21.00 | mohalaci | i dont understand english very well...:S |
| 18:21.03 | wols | mohalaci: install debian-keyring |
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| 18:21.18 | nsadmin | what is your easiest language? |
| 18:21.37 | mohalaci | hungarian :D |
| 18:21.37 | wols | nsadmin: hungarian. which is a b.... to use for foruhners like us |
| 18:21.49 | wols | mohalaci: apt-get install debian-keyring |
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| 18:22.17 | nsadmin | is there a #debian-hg? |
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| 18:22.19 | mohalaci | okay i try it |
| 18:22.27 | wols | !hu |
| 18:22.28 | dpkg | it has been said that hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
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| 18:24.54 | natefoo | anyone know if it's possible to mirror /boot with lvm at (squeeze) install-time, or if it has to be done afterward? |
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| 18:25.26 | natefoo | the install doc only says that grub can do it, but doesn't say anything about how to accomplish it. |
| 18:25.48 | nsadmin | mohalaci, in case you'd be more comfortable speaking hungarian |
| 18:26.05 | mohalaci | okay, i go to debian.hu channel :) |
| 18:26.20 | dvs | mohalaci: well, your question was answered |
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| 18:26.28 | wols | mohalaci: might be fairly empty if you are unlucky :( |
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| 18:27.38 | nsadmin | mohalaci, we don't chase you away, we offer additional info source |
| 18:27.49 | LiENUS | erm whats the latest stable release called? squeeze right? |
| 18:28.24 | thewanderer1 | yup |
| 18:28.27 | LiENUS | i'm trying to do a net install and every mirror i try it says its missing squeeze (us mirrors) |
| 18:28.32 | mohalaci | nsadmin, i know i trying that you said to me |
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| 18:28.38 | LiENUS | whats a good us mirror known to work |
| 18:28.48 | LiENUS | for network install |
| 18:29.33 | justin_ | LiENUS: http.us.debian.org |
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| 18:29.56 | LiENUS | will try again heh |
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| 18:29.58 | iamdgp | hi all :-) |
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| 18:30.38 | lampe345 | hey i got a server with multiple domains now i wanne config postfix and /etc/mailname how can i added more then 1 host to mailname ? |
| 18:30.59 | lampe345 | or just localhost? |
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| 18:31.50 | LiENUS | don't have http.us.debian.org in my list but i do have ftp.us.debian.org which was the first one i tried and it didnt work |
| 18:31.54 | dondelelcaro | lampe345: only one name is the mailname of the local machine. |
| 18:31.59 | justin_ | LiENUS: same thing |
| 18:32.00 | LiENUS | manually entered http.us.debian.org trying now |
| 18:32.37 | thewanderer1 | lampe345: this doesn't really matter much, you can configure virtual domains elsewhere and there is hardly any impact of this file |
| 18:32.43 | justin_ | LiENUS: are you sure you are properly connected to the internet? |
| 18:32.51 | LiENUS | pretty certain |
| 18:32.53 | LiENUS | how can i test? |
| 18:32.54 | LiENUS | no ping |
| 18:32.56 | lampe345 | my problem is postfix ... |
| 18:33.06 | LiENUS | its possible i have the wrong nic plugged in |
| 18:33.06 | lampe345 | the server is an open relays ... |
| 18:33.09 | LiENUS | but not certain how i can test |
| 18:33.31 | justin_ | LiENUS: wget is available |
| 18:33.32 | guzu | ping www.google.com |
| 18:33.38 | LiENUS | guzu, ping doesnt work |
| 18:33.43 | guzu | why not? |
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| 18:35.19 | LiENUS | no ping available on netinstall untill its sucessfully pulled packages |
| 18:35.21 | guzu | LiENUS, anyway, try: wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/robots.txt |
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| 18:35.45 | guzu | oh |
| 18:35.51 | guzu | during install? |
| 18:35.55 | guzu | ifconfig |
| 18:36.09 | thewanderer1 | I think there's netcat on the netinst CD |
| 18:36.20 | thewanderer1 | try that if you can speak HTTP or anything :P |
| 18:36.26 | guzu | it may be the infamous firmware problem |
| 18:36.47 | justin_ | guzu: that wouldn't cause the mirror to say that squeeze is missing |
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| 18:37.10 | guzu | justin_, correct |
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| 18:38.36 | LiENUS | thanks justin_ wget let me find it |
| 18:38.41 | LiENUS | had the wrong nic plugged in |
| 18:38.42 | wols | lampe345: mailname is the wrong place to specify what domains to handle mail for |
| 18:38.47 | LiENUS | theres 3 rj45 ports on the back |
| 18:38.52 | LiENUS | 2 nics and one for remote access |
| 18:38.58 | LiENUS | fortunately remote access is clearly labeled |
| 18:39.11 | lampe345 | wols whis i did with bind9 |
| 18:39.18 | LiENUS | but 1 and 2 are hard for me to see some dickwad has a table in front of the rack so i can't pull the server out |
| 18:39.21 | cheasee | ive got two wan interfaces, when configuring iptables, do i have to specify e.g. -i ppp0 -i ppp0 or how do i tell iptables that there are two interfaces? |
| 18:39.26 | wols | lampe345: http://workaround.org/ispmail/lenny |
| 18:39.33 | LiENUS | i'd yell at her but shes moving out soon |
| 18:39.35 | wols | lampe345: what has bind9 to do with thisß |
| 18:39.42 | LiENUS | why someone is living at work i don't know |
| 18:39.46 | lampe345 | dns ? |
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| 18:40.02 | LiENUS | sorry for the language heh just frustrated i tore a chunk out of my arm today cos of the table |
| 18:40.06 | wols | lampe345: you aren't configuring dns, you are configuring mail |
| 18:40.34 | lampe345 | yes |
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| 18:40.55 | wols | lampe345: hence, what has bind9 to do with that? |
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| 18:41.05 | wols | anyways, look at the link I gave you |
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| 18:41.08 | lampe345 | MX entries |
| 18:41.34 | blink | where can I find assistance with ntop (it's in squeeze backports) |
| 18:42.35 | lampe345 | warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/bounce pid 18858 exit status 1. what does this mean ? can some one help pls |
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| 18:43.02 | wols | lampe345: there is more than just that. also you seem to think we have a crystal ball |
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| 18:43.31 | thewanderer1 | blink: just ask :P |
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| 18:49.44 | mohalaci | have a nice day people :) good bye |
| 18:50.25 | wols | mohalaci: was your problem solved? |
| 18:50.38 | wols | mohalaci: btw, use a mirror nearer to you, like ftp.de.debian.org |
| 18:50.47 | dvs | wols: network cable plugged into the wrong port. |
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| 18:51.07 | mohalaci | yes my problem was solved |
| 18:51.11 | mohalaci | thx |
| 18:51.13 | mohalaci | bye |
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| 18:51.15 | wols | dvs: mohalaci hat a keyring problem. not a connection problem with netinst |
| 18:51.21 | wols | *had |
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| 18:51.41 | dvs | ah, wrong person. |
| 18:52.53 | blink | thewanderer1: ok. ntop configured with a netflow interface. I can see that my cisco is sending it's flows, and the template has also been sent, but no data is being populated in ntop, and no valid flows are being parsed. |
| 18:53.09 | blink | wondering how to get it rendering properly, not very well documented from what I can find |
| 18:53.40 | thewanderer1 | aw, sorry, I haven't worked with this kind of setups |
| 18:53.46 | blink | this is the log: http://pastebin.com/7147TSBP |
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| 18:54.26 | blink | yeah, it seems like it's a pretty niche area. any idea where I might find assistance, if it may not be here... |
| 18:54.44 | justin_ | blink: "Valid Flows Received 0" probably has something to do with it |
| 18:57.05 | blink | justin_: yes, exactly. the template has been recieved though, and that defines valid vs invalid. also, invalid flows is 0 as well, |
| 18:57.27 | blink | so there's over a thousand packets, each packet is a flow, and none of them are valid or invalid. |
| 18:57.48 | justin_ | blink: what netflow version are you using? |
| 18:58.07 | blink | i configured the asa for v9 |
| 18:58.53 | justin_ | aren't templates only for v10/ipfix? |
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| 19:00.07 | blink | says v9 -> http://www.ntop.org/blog/ntop/ntop-asa-support/ |
| 19:00.49 | blink | it says to expect a delay, but I've got the template already so it seems to not be working |
| 19:01.46 | justin_ | got me :-) I don't do netflow on the asas, and I use nfdump/nfsen |
| 19:01.59 | justin_ | but I bet the asa does some weird stuff |
| 19:02.13 | blink | yeah, I inherited it. |
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| 19:14.52 | wols | themill: your christian name doesn't happen to be john, does it? |
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| 19:15.36 | blink | justin_: are you able to view more than a single interface at a time with your nfsen/nfdump setup? |
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| 19:15.49 | blink | maybe I'll just try that. I'm not married to ntop by any means |
| 19:15.55 | justin_ | blink: yeah, it can accept multiple sources as well |
| 19:16.12 | justin_ | nfdump is in debian if all you want is simple capturing, otherwise you'll need to use nfsen |
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| 19:20.06 | LiENUS | well thats disconcerting |
| 19:20.08 | blink | justin_: all I'm trying to do is get insight into who the heaviest users are inside this network |
| 19:20.14 | LiENUS | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.15 | blink | so I'll need both it seems |
| 19:20.18 | LiENUS | is that just the installer? |
| 19:20.21 | LiENUS | cos the system has 1gb in it |
| 19:20.37 | justin_ | blink: ah, plain nfdump will work fine for that, though you won't get pretty graphs or anything |
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| 19:21.38 | wols | LiENUS: installer uses the same kernel as normal debian |
| 19:21.45 | LiENUS | hmm |
| 19:21.47 | LiENUS | well thats not good |
| 19:21.55 | LiENUS | bios confirms 1gb of ram in the system |
| 19:22.01 | wols | LiENUS: there is however a kernel parameter where you tell how much RAM there is. |
| 19:22.12 | LiENUS | does the installer tell it to only use 256mb? |
| 19:22.14 | wols | LiENUS: is this an older PC? |
| 19:22.28 | wols | no the installer does nothing of the sort |
| 19:22.57 | LiENUS | its a poweredge 2850 |
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| 19:24.09 | Bushmills | blink: check out darkstat |
| 19:24.15 | Bushmills | much lighter than ntop |
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| 19:27.05 | mick_laptop | anyone here use jabber/xmpp? I'd like to test federation in my server - if someone has a second,please /msg me |
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| 19:30.25 | mick_laptop | noone? |
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| 19:30.37 | mick_laptop | :-| |
| 19:31.22 | jelly-home | !patience |
| 19:31.22 | dpkg | The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. |
| 19:31.27 | mick_laptop | :P |
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| 19:32.09 | mick_laptop | jelly: do you use jabb[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[Der? |
| 19:32.25 | jelly-home | no |
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| 19:32.58 | mick_laptop | irc might not be the best place to ask :) |
| 19:33.00 | blink | Bushmills: darkstat supports netflow? |
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| 19:35.39 | justin_ | blink: you can't really go wrong with netflow, it's one of the only solutions that doesn't blow up once you have a lot of traffic |
| 19:36.50 | Bushmills | not the cisco protocol. i think what it records is just tcp, udp and icmp. |
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| 19:38.14 | mick_laptop | is jabber.org down? or is my dns poisoned? |
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| 19:38.46 | wols | at least their website is up |
| 19:39.03 | mick_laptop | www.jabber.org - right? |
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| 19:41.05 | abrotman | mick_laptop: there is a #jabber IIRC |
| 19:41.29 | mick_laptop | http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5373/screenshotdt.png |
| 19:41.40 | mick_laptop | i think i can't trust my isp |
| 19:41.52 | kombi | can't install on 2TB disks, grub refuses to install into the mbr. Got the latest iso but no luck. What might I be doing wrong? |
| 19:41.57 | mick_laptop | or my dns might be poisoned |
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| 19:42.55 | LiENUS | rofl your dns is poisoned mick_laptop |
| 19:42.56 | justin_ | mick_laptop: that is not a sign of dns poisoning. that is a sign of your ISP has shitty dns servers |
| 19:42.59 | LiENUS | your laptop did it |
| 19:43.03 | LiENUS | err your isp did it |
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| 19:43.25 | blink | justin_: yeah, it looks like it scales with default MTU right up to wire speeds on Gbit |
| 19:43.36 | blink | I'd rather set it up once than have to go back. |
| 19:43.48 | blink | I'll try nfdump now |
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| 19:44.03 | mick_laptop | ok, thanks |
| 19:44.19 | mick_laptop | just thought it was odd, chaneged dns servers and i'm good now |
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| 19:48.36 | joe6 | any thoughts on how I can fix this linker error: http://sprunge.us/PgAJ |
| 19:48.40 | joe6 | apt-file search on libdl gave me this output: http://sprunge.us/MQHj |
| 19:49.05 | joe6 | I have libc6-dev installed which has the file libdl.so |
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| 19:51.38 | bolt | how come everything still stores its own config files in your home directory, even without asking? a homedirectory on an old system that has used a lot of programs is so cluttered. i wish everything would go to ~/.programdata or something. |
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| 19:52.27 | bolt | at least linux programs generally have the decency to name their files and directories with a dot up front |
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| 19:53.11 | wols | joe6: link the name "libdl.so.2" to libdl.so and pray it's what the linker wants |
| 19:53.26 | wols | joe6: tho it might not since GLIBC 2.1 is kinda old |
| 19:53.40 | Savis | any one know how to see if ACL is working on my ext4 partition? |
| 19:53.42 | themill | bolt: more stuff is using .local and even distinguishing between share and cache so you know whether to back it up or not. But not all... |
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| 19:55.48 | bolt | themill: true. i wish everything did that |
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| 19:56.21 | themill | scratch that itch... |
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| 19:58.06 | joe6 | wols, thanks, will try |
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| 19:58.56 | abchirk | !missing config |
| 19:59.12 | abchirk | eh? what was the command for the bot for missing config file? |
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| 19:59.22 | themill | !confmiss |
| 19:59.22 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>. |
| 19:59.28 | abchirk | oh cool thanks. :) |
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| 20:00.14 | stew | abchirk: and note that it only helps with conffiles, not all config files |
| 20:00.18 | joe6 | what is the package name in debian for gtk+extra? |
| 20:00.44 | abchirk | stew, I know... I just deleted my .conf by accident. :P |
| 20:01.06 | abchirk | it was a default config... but how to recover that without confmiss |
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| 20:02.21 | themill | stew: we need to come up with an incantation that works with ucf too... |
| 20:02.40 | stew | yeah |
| 20:02.59 | johndo | is there a similar option to restore changed config files? |
| 20:03.03 | stew | though I believe its going to require "exaime the postinst..." |
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| 20:03.19 | themill | yeah... yay |
| 20:03.31 | stew | johndo: its going to depend package to package, config files which aren't conffiles are just "the package scripts handle it internally instead of using the dpkg mechanism" |
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| 20:04.13 | project2501a | /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /root/src/mira-3.2.1/src/mira/libmira.a when searching for -lmira |
| 20:04.13 | project2501a | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.27 | themill | project2501a: are you mixing archs |
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| 20:04.40 | ws2k3 | wich port i should open for the smb server on debian? |
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| 20:07.51 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Generally a bad idea to open SMB ports on a firewall. Put the SMB server INSIDE the firewall. |
| 20:07.56 | themill | stew: "ucfq $packagename" looks promising |
| 20:08.02 | project2501a | the mill probably |
| 20:08.27 | themill | project2501a: (or in your case, mixing incompatible compilers even) |
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| 20:08.42 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: smb isn't meant to run on the internet. |
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| 20:10.58 | ws2k3 | jhutchins i know but i need to allow it in my iptables firewall |
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| 20:11.26 | ws2k3 | i have a server in vmware workstation so its running on vmnet1 i need to allow that to connect. |
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| 20:12.01 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: grep smb /etc/services |
| 20:12.16 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: also grep nmb /etc/services |
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| 20:15.32 | LiENUS | welp new server up |
| 20:15.37 | LiENUS | firewall up http up and dns moved over |
| 20:15.46 | LiENUS | also after i rebooted it showed the full gig |
| 20:15.51 | LiENUS | im guessing install mode in the bios limited ram |
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| 20:17.57 | resixian | cant get mysql to start from /etc/init.d it just fails. as root i can start 'mysqld' but get some errors: http://pastebin.com/GFSXD2St |
| 20:18.00 | LiENUS | now to decide if i wanna disable root logins or not |
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| 20:18.19 | resixian | wc -l /var/log/mysql* == 0 |
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| 20:19.56 | stew | resixian: did you run "mysql_upgrade" to try to fix this? |
| 20:20.11 | resixian | which mysql_upgrade gives me nothing |
| 20:20.15 | stew | i wonder if we can skip right to the end where we figure out he has "skip-bdb" in his config |
| 20:20.23 | resixian | already checked |
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| 20:21.23 | resixian | i *think* if it were the skip-bdb it wouldnt start at all, this just seems a problem with the init script (?) |
| 20:22.00 | resixian | fwiw somehow /var/run/mysql directory was missing (so i created it) |
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| 20:22.26 | resixian | i grep'd back through my upgrade log and at least then mysql seemed to restart ok |
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| 20:23.56 | Kissen | Moin |
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| 20:26.48 | LiENUS | ok is there a trick to getting my script in /etc/network/if-up.d to run? |
| 20:27.18 | themill | stew: there's also an environment variable UCF_FORCE_CONFFMISS. |
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| 20:27.56 | resixian | zomg.. mysql-server State: not installed |
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| 20:29.37 | LiENUS | i did this |
| 20:29.38 | LiENUS | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/445 |
| 20:29.43 | johndo | resixian: that's a dummy package (or whatever that is called) depending on the versionned package |
| 20:29.46 | LiENUS | and the rules and surviving a reboot |
| 20:29.52 | LiENUS | is there a newer method for squeeze? |
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| 20:35.07 | resixian | johndo: installing it fixed the problem |
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| 20:35.46 | johndo | resixian: oops, strange, without installing other dependencies? |
| 20:36.03 | johndo | mysql-server only contains /usr/share/doc/* |
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| 20:36.32 | resixian | johndo: it updated 4 deps |
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| 20:36.51 | johndo | resixian: ok, then the fix must have been there |
| 20:36.51 | resixian | johndo: yeah, somehow during the upgrade this was reall badly borked |
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| 20:37.10 | themill | mysql is usually not upgraded correctly in lenny->squeeze |
| 20:37.25 | resixian | that is pretty poor |
| 20:37.34 | stew | wfm |
| 20:37.40 | jasonfx | Hi, does debian encrypt the swap if you select the 'lvm encrypted everything' option during install? |
| 20:37.51 | dondelelcaro | jasonfx: if swap is on an lvm volume, yes. |
| 20:37.56 | themill | resixian: it's likely to need manual intervention in any case, but the mysql-server-5.1 package usually doesn't get dragged in as part of the upgrade. |
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| 20:38.06 | jasonfx | dondelelcaro, ok thanks :) |
| 20:38.35 | themill | !dbugs 594635 |
| 20:38.39 | dpkg | #594635:I[upgrade-reports] upgrade-reports: lenny->squeeze: mysql removal, insserv broken (squeeze); Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:09:02 UTC [600919] |
| 20:38.44 | themill | (also #600919) |
| 20:38.51 | resixian | well working now... 15minutes to fix is hardly a big deal :) |
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| 20:39.41 | jgfhi6y | [* | NOTICE | *] STARTING JUNE 1ST FREENODE WILL CHANGE THE WAY YOU CONNECT TO IT . UNLESS YOU ENABLE SASL YOU WILL BE UNABLE TO CONNECT TO FREENODE . PLEASE JOIN #FREENODE OR MSG A STAFFER FOR DETAILS [* | NOTICE | *] jgfhi6y pruegeLknabe tempeldirne jasonfx MGrost puty|2 pierrep talos_ Cisien benf nadar Skaperen opusculum abchirk_ runa mirco prefrontal tvm webad_13 dougvann mshindo ivenkys Cogito afurlan r0hit AlertEye pLk jhutchins_lt |
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| 20:42.47 | twobitsprite | wth was that? |
| 20:43.16 | Arrowmaster | spam bots |
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| 20:43.43 | dvs | exterminate! EXTERMINATE! |
| 20:44.02 | ompaul | too late they are already dead |
| 20:44.35 | twobitsprite | I don't get what they were spamming though... why spam to tell people you need sasl to connect to freenode? |
| 20:45.10 | nvz | why spam in #d period.. its like the quickest way to get a k-line.. too many people watching |
| 20:45.43 | themill | please take it to ##comment-on-spam |
| 20:45.58 | themill | dpkg ucf confmiss is <reply>If you need to restore a deleted conffile in a package that is using <ucf> to manage its configuration files, use "UCF_FORCE_CONFFMISS=true aptitude reinstall $packagename". List the configuration files managed by ucf with "ucfq $packagename". If the package doesn't use ucf then ask me about <confmiss>. |
| 20:45.58 | dpkg | okay, themill |
| 20:46.02 | themill | stew: ^^ |
| 20:46.12 | stew | excellent |
| 20:46.21 | twobitsprite | themill: sorry, didn't mean to inerrupt all the troubleshooting going on in here |
| 20:46.52 | stew | dpkg: ucf confmiss =~ s/conffile/config file/ |
| 20:46.52 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 20:47.02 | stew | (since they aren't, by definition, conffiles) |
| 20:47.15 | themill | oh... yeah. |
| 20:47.46 | themill | (and no the two Fs in CONFFMISS is not a typo. Thanks manoj) |
| 20:47.57 | stew | heh |
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| 20:56.13 | LiENUS | anyone here know how to get iptables to persist between reboots? |
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| 20:56.27 | LiENUS | i've tried the method at http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/445 and at http://wiki.debian.org/iptables neither seems to be working |
| 20:56.42 | dvs | LiENUS: http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 20:56.49 | LiENUS | tried that dvs its not working |
| 20:56.49 | dvs | oops sorry |
| 20:57.01 | dvs | worked for me |
| 20:57.42 | LiENUS | trying to repeat the steps now maybe i messed something up |
| 20:58.02 | LiENUS | wish this server rebooted faster but oh well |
| 21:00.12 | LiENUS | nop not working |
| 21:00.17 | johndo | 54 obsolete conffiles on the system, is it really safe to simply delete them? |
| 21:00.42 | LiENUS | ran /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables |
| 21:00.42 | LiENUS | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.43 | LiENUS | and it works |
| 21:00.48 | LiENUS | but reboot nothing |
| 21:02.41 | LiENUS | dvs, what ver of deb you using? |
| 21:02.57 | dvs | LiENUS: 6.0.1 |
| 21:03.10 | LiENUS | why isnt it working :/ |
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| 21:03.15 | johndo | LiENUS: pre-up? is the interface even ready for iptables stuff at that time? |
| 21:03.19 | babilen | LiENUS: Shot in the dark, but is it executable? |
| 21:03.20 | johndo | maybe try if-up |
| 21:03.26 | LiENUS | tried if-up.d |
| 21:03.31 | dvs | babilen: You stole my next question! |
| 21:03.33 | LiENUS | babilen, i just ran it |
| 21:03.40 | LiENUS | from the console after i logged in |
| 21:03.48 | babilen | LiENUS: No, I mean is the file executable |
| 21:03.54 | LiENUS | babilen, yes i ran the file |
| 21:03.58 | babilen | dvs: sorry, but it was an obvious one :) |
| 21:04.04 | dvs | LiENUS: check the permissions! |
| 21:04.20 | LiENUS | ls -al /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables |
| 21:04.20 | LiENUS | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 62 May 10 15:57 /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables |
| 21:05.02 | babilen | so yes, hmm ... |
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| 21:05.27 | dvs | LiENUS: and /etc/iptables.up.rules exists? |
| 21:05.37 | LiENUS | dvs, it loaded the firewall fine when i ran it |
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| 21:06.29 | LiENUS | trying /etc/network/interfaces :/ |
| 21:06.43 | johndo | LiENUS: add -x to it, to see if it's even touched at boot and maybe the output helps to debug the problem |
| 21:07.16 | johndo | oops, +x ;) |
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| 21:07.49 | LiENUS | chmod +x the file? |
| 21:08.24 | johndo | LiENUS: no, i assume it's a shell scrip, so add +x to the /bin/sh line at atartup |
| 21:08.30 | LiENUS | ohhh |
| 21:08.36 | johndo | *startup |
| 21:08.38 | dvs | sees the light |
| 21:08.42 | LiENUS | i was gonna say it was chmod +x'd heh |
| 21:08.51 | LiENUS | i wont see any output from it im in another room no monitor hooked up |
| 21:09.15 | dvs | ??? |
| 21:09.23 | johndo | install bootlogd ;) |
| 21:09.33 | johndo | not sure if it will go there, though :P |
| 21:10.20 | LiENUS | waiting on another reboot now heh |
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| 21:16.15 | LiENUS | ok |
| 21:16.23 | LiENUS | went and laid eyes on it, reboot hanged something unrelated |
| 21:16.27 | LiENUS | exec format error |
| 21:16.30 | LiENUS | wtf?! |
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| 21:16.53 | LiENUS | doing /etc/network/interfaces worked though |
| 21:17.47 | LiENUS | found the problem rofl |
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| 21:18.15 | LiENUS | instead of "#!/bin/bash" it was " #!/bin/bash" |
| 21:18.25 | LiENUS | space in front of everything |
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| 21:20.38 | LiENUS | worked when i removed the space |
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| 21:20.48 | LiENUS | weird because id remade that file no idea how space got in there |
| 21:20.53 | LiENUS | im out |
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| 21:24.01 | foetus | is this a correct line for a local mirror -- 'deb file:/mirror lenny main contrib non-free' in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 21:25.27 | foetus | docs say yes. |
| 21:26.40 | jhutchins_lt | foetus: Does it work? |
| 21:26.55 | foetus | jhutchins_lt: like a charme |
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| 21:27.10 | jhutchins_lt | xlnt. |
| 21:27.19 | foetus | jhutchins_lt: i hope the syntax is right. |
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| 21:27.36 | foetus | mirror is a symlink. |
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| 21:28.52 | jhutchins_lt | foetus: If it works it works. |
| 21:29.20 | foetus | jhutchins_lt: thanks anyway:) |
| 21:29.47 | foetus | bye |
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| 21:36.28 | joe6 | i have this error message: /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtkentry.h:311:6: note: previous declaration of ‘gtk_entry_reset_im_context’ was here |
| 21:36.50 | joe6 | and I have the latest debian gtk-2.0 package |
| 21:36.55 | joe6 | from unstable |
| 21:37.20 | joe6 | Are there any other packages that might help resolve that error? |
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| 21:38.12 | joe6 | full error message: http://sprunge.us/MZMP |
| 21:38.37 | joe6 | and I have this package installed: http://sprunge.us/FhLY |
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| 21:40.11 | johndo | joe6: looks like gtk 2.0 and 2.1 incompatibilities |
| 21:40.20 | johndo | probably not a good idea to mix both |
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| 21:44.13 | jhutchins_lt | joe6: One of the features of unstable is that you get package version mis-matches. |
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| 21:47.02 | phaidros | I have 2 laptops without cdrom and one docking station. when I put the ubuntu one for testing on it, it detects the cdrom and mounts it. when I put the squeeze one onto it, nothing happens. |
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| 21:47.21 | phaidros | anyone an idea which package / kernel module might be missing in my squeeze box ? |
| 21:47.23 | daemonkeeper | Maybe you need a newer kernel then. |
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| 21:49.05 | jhutchins_lt | phaidros: That's probably udev. |
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| 21:49.39 | Calyp | is there any simple way to inactivate update notifier? |
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| 21:49.53 | Calyp | i don't want that icon in my taskbar |
| 21:49.53 | phaidros | jhutchins_lt: probably, but udev is installed afaics :) |
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| 21:50.42 | jhutchins_lt | phaidros: Udev is a pretty complex system. One of the things that's different about ubuntu is the udev rules. |
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| 21:51.06 | daemonkeeper | Well, and kernel modules (and driver support) |
| 21:51.09 | orzo | are there official polcies regarding experimental and sid? I mean, when does a package move to sid from experimental? |
| 21:51.34 | daemonkeeper | orzo: You confuse things there, packages are never migrated /to/ experimental (neither from) |
| 21:51.54 | jhutchins_lt | daemonkeeper: he said TO sid FROM experimental. |
| 21:52.15 | phaidros | daemonkeeper: recent squeeze kernel should have 4 yr old cdrom drive modules abort, I suppose .. |
| 21:52.15 | daemonkeeper | Ah, well. Neither they are. |
| 21:52.38 | daemonkeeper | There is no automated transition from experimental to sid. |
| 21:52.53 | orzo | yes, tahts my question |
| 21:53.06 | jhutchins_lt | phaidros: Not much new in the way of CDROM drivers lately. |
| 21:53.13 | orzo | so basically the developers just become satisfied and decide to put it in sid? |
| 21:53.15 | phaidros | what I wonder is: kernel doesnt detect a thing about a drive, (at least not telling syslog about), so even udev wouldnt get triggered .. or am I wronge? |
| 21:53.33 | daemonkeeper | orzo: Yes. There is an automated transition from sid to testing though |
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| 21:54.41 | daemonkeeper | phaidros: If possible, boot into Ubuntu, do lspci -k and find out what's different to Debian. |
| 21:55.45 | jhutchins_lt | Chances are it's USB not PCI. |
| 21:55.55 | phaidros | ic |
| 21:56.02 | johndo | phaidros: maybe try kernel 2.6.38 or so from backports |
| 21:56.08 | phaidros | lsusb does exist as well since a while fortunately :) |
| 21:56.19 | phaidros | johndo: does that have xen support? |
| 21:56.31 | daemonkeeper | phaidros: Yes, 4.1 |
| 21:56.32 | johndo | don't know |
| 21:56.37 | phaidros | ui, nice |
| 21:56.48 | phaidros | anyone tested if that is stable? |
| 21:56.59 | daemonkeeper | judd: kernels |
| 21:57.01 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.39-rc6-686-pae (2.6.39~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 21:57.13 | Raptors | hey guys |
| 21:57.13 | johndo | phaidros > ui, nice |
| 21:57.14 | daemonkeeper | Ah, there is a squeeze backport now |
| 21:57.15 | phaidros | (had strange glitches with squeeze xen 4.0 on *some* machines, others not) |
| 21:57.18 | johndo | oops |
| 21:57.30 | Raptors | is there a way to to see what the (hdx,xy) of my drive is |
| 21:57.33 | Raptors | from debian |
| 21:57.35 | Raptors | for boot |
| 21:57.44 | johndo | backports *should* be stable, but you can always keep your original kernel ;) |
| 21:58.03 | phaidros | johndo: recent kernels are always worth a shot :) |
| 21:58.31 | Raptors | That kernel is soooooooooo old |
| 21:58.39 | Raptors | I think there was a serious bug in it too |
| 21:58.50 | Raptors | that compromised security |
| 21:58.57 | Raptors | unless they patched it |
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| 22:01.52 | daemonkeeper | phaidros: Note, the backported kernel does not support dom0 operation though |
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| 22:02.04 | phaidros | daemonkeeper: eek. so I am out .. :/ |
| 22:02.10 | phaidros | thats exactly what I do here |
| 22:02.39 | daemonkeeper | Well, you can backport it yourself. I did that recently. |
| 22:03.01 | phaidros | lappi with dom0 support. nice and stable on that little thinkpad. though server had troubles with that kernel .. I can spawn domUs from my X .. wich feels like real 21st century :D |
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| 22:03.33 | daemonkeeper | Porting Xen 4.1. to squeeze is easily possible, but you have gazillions of build dependencies. |
| 22:03.41 | phaidros | daemonkeeper: hm, to be honest if I would like to do suchthings, I would keep a branch of gentoo or arch around :) |
| 22:04.01 | phaidros | or I may just upgrade to sid ... |
| 22:04.02 | daemonkeeper | Well, you need to wait then. |
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| 22:04.38 | phaidros | any reasons *not* to use sid ? |
| 22:04.52 | dvs | !tell phaidros about sid |
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| 22:05.30 | daemonkeeper | For you in particular you should note, there is no sid dom0 kernel at all (newer than Squeeze's) |
| 22:05.44 | daemonkeeper | Hence neither a backport is. |
| 22:06.02 | jhutchins_lt | .38 backport in the pipeline. |
| 22:06.02 | phaidros | thats why :) |
| 22:06.31 | jhutchins_lt | phaidros: sid is not intended as a working release. It is a testbed, and it will break. |
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| 22:07.10 | daemonkeeper | jhutchins_lt: Its already there |
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| 22:07.22 | daemonkeeper | jhutchins_lt: Note we were talking about the -xen branch though |
| 22:07.24 | phaidros | jhutchins_lt: I know, but I wanted to know from people who probably run sid on a daily base, if there are certain common obstacles to expect |
| 22:07.51 | jhutchins_lt | phaidros: Yes, and they change from day to day. |
| 22:07.59 | phaidros | daemonkeeper: is there a dom0 kernel in sid? |
| 22:08.17 | daemonkeeper | Still 2.6.32 from Squeeze |
| 22:08.24 | phaidros | jhutchins_lt: lol, ok, I take back my question and agree that it was a stoopid one :D |
| 22:08.32 | phaidros | daemonkeeper: yuck |
| 22:08.40 | daemonkeeper | phaidros: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-xen&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 22:08.51 | jhutchins_lt | phaidros: No problem, it's a frequent question here. |
| 22:09.38 | jhutchins_lt | .38 breaks some things on squeeze, so they're making sure they get all the necessary things tweaked and packages included. |
| 22:09.53 | jhutchins_lt | I would expect it any day soon. |
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| 22:11.13 | daemonkeeper | jhutchins_lt: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/linux-headers-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64 |
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| 22:11.23 | themill | ,kernels --release squeeze-backports |
| 22:11.26 | judd | Available kernel versions are: squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1) |
| 22:11.32 | themill | it's been there for a week or so |
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| 22:12.13 | jhutchins_lt | D'Oh! |
| 22:12.18 | jhutchins_lt | Snuck up on me! |
| 22:12.34 | daemonkeeper | I said it twice to you already :p |
| 22:13.01 | jhutchins_lt | puts on dunce cap, goes and sits in corner. |
| 22:13.05 | daemonkeeper | But once again, phaidros needs a -xen kernel which is not available. |
| 22:13.11 | daemonkeeper | (neither in sid) |
| 22:13.55 | phaidros | so, I will live with myu stable squeeze then and use the ubuntu machine for using cdrom drives .. (which happens once a month, or even less nowadays) |
| 22:14.19 | daemonkeeper | Or find out, what you actually need |
| 22:15.25 | phaidros | true, thanks so far. will dig into that later |
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| 22:27.06 | allure | Hi guys. Does anyone know a good guide to configure iptables for a gateway where there will be a mail server behind? The guides I found are doing DNAT and I don't think this is the proper way to go :) Thank you. |
| 22:28.05 | bzed | allure: dnat to make the server reachable form the outside and snat to allow the server (and others) to talk to the world sounds right |
| 22:28.34 | allure | bzed: but all I can see in the logs is the NAT IPs :) I would like to identify spammers and block them by their IPs |
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| 22:29.11 | bzed | allure: then you are doing some snat stuff on the wrong and |
| 22:29.21 | bzed | *end |
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| 22:29.58 | allure | bzed: maybe. that's why a guide would be nice :) I don't want to be bothering no one with this |
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| 22:32.29 | cheako | ...keep the interfaces separate for policy. |
| 22:33.17 | cheako | Though just combining them into one would be acceptable. I just don't want to duplicate dozens of rules for each untrusted interface. |
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| 22:54.32 | dpkg | Volunteers are people who do things for you for free. All the helpers on #debian are volunteers. Please treat them with respect and don't expect them to follow your orders. Insulting them or the things that they have worked hard to create is not a good way of getting help. |
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| 23:09.45 | metalfan_ | hi |
| 23:10.08 | metalfan_ | problem switching from lilo to grub, ive described the problem here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=63863&p=369028#p369028 |
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| 23:10.53 | rypervenche | Is it possible to get Youtube's html5 working in Chromium on Debian 6.0.1 |
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| 23:12.10 | Black_Prince | metalfan_, when I look at your grub.cfg file it looks like there is no menu entry at all |
| 23:12.13 | LetoPoole | rypervenche: I think so |
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| 23:12.24 | LetoPoole | but you need to configure youtube to show the html5 version |
| 23:12.41 | LetoPoole | with an account (IIRC, i hardly use youtube) |
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| 23:12.50 | metalfan_ | Black_Prince, it was generated automatic |
| 23:12.52 | rypervenche | I did that but it is still not working. |
| 23:12.53 | metalfan_ | let me see |
| 23:13.26 | LetoPoole | rypervenche: hmmm have you tried other html5 sites? |
| 23:13.27 | metalfan_ | Black_Prince, youre right. something is missing |
| 23:13.56 | Black_Prince | They did not use lilo without a reason. Kernel is named bzImage ... And I guess (not sure tough) that grub detects only vmlinuz kernels ... |
| 23:14.09 | Black_Prince | eg /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-x-wtf |
| 23:15.22 | LetoPoole | rypervenche: you also need to install codec for h.264 |
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| 23:18.00 | johndo | metalfan_: why don't you also upgrade the kernel to squeeze? |
| 23:18.34 | metalfan_ | im planning to, but my hoster installed lilo and im testing if grub boots |
| 23:18.36 | johndo | afaik there are incompatibilities between udev version in squeeze and older kernels |
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| 23:18.55 | johndo | though that shouldn't affect grub |
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| 23:19.22 | metalfan_ | but it looks like the debian grub scripts look for /boot/vmlinux and my lenny only got /boot/bzimage |
| 23:19.37 | metalfan_ | i just dont want a not booting system |
| 23:19.42 | johndo | metalfan_: so you are still *before* the upgrade? |
| 23:20.03 | metalfan_ | yes, didnt do anything |
| 23:20.15 | johndo | metalfan_: do you have access to the system console? |
| 23:20.18 | metalfan_ | Black_Prince, support hasnt answered yet |
| 23:20.26 | metalfan_ | johndo got ssh |
| 23:20.37 | johndo | if yes you could install a second kernel, the standard from lenny and try to boot that |
| 23:20.54 | metalfan_ | good idea |
| 23:21.11 | metalfan_ | brb |
| 23:21.18 | Black_Prince | But |
| 23:21.25 | Black_Prince | Lenny kernel is older than current one you are running |
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| 23:21.32 | johndo | metalfan_: but ssh isn't enough for that, you need access to system console during boot time ;) |
| 23:21.37 | Black_Prince | You should use one from lenny backports |
| 23:22.02 | johndo | (at least when you want to keep your old kernel too and want to be able to boot from it when the new one fails) |
| 23:22.04 | metalfan_ | johndo i can install grub via grub-install with the other kernel and if its goes wrong the rescue system allows me to run lilo -> booting system |
| 23:22.15 | johndo | ah ok :) |
| 23:22.31 | cheako | rypervenche: Youtube has worked for me out of the box under chrome. All I needed was pulse audio and the alsa module configured to use it. |
| 23:22.45 | metalfan_ | its just a quadcore, with one sata drive. it should boot with a default kernel |
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| 23:23.02 | cheako | I'm not sure why you'd want to enable html5, but it's not essential. |
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| 23:23.13 | cheako | ...I have no idea what html5 is. |
| 23:23.27 | LetoPoole | cheako: no flash |
| 23:23.28 | cheako | err, I don't know what it has to do with youtube. |
| 23:23.31 | LetoPoole | just that sounds good |
| 23:23.34 | LetoPoole | :P |
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| 23:23.38 | Black_Prince | it is a hyper text markup language with 5 after it |
| 23:23.48 | LetoPoole | visit a html5 demo page, with effects |
| 23:23.48 | johndo | metalfan_: another thought, what grub2 did you install? i'm not sure if grub2 works without problems on lenny |
| 23:23.53 | Black_Prince | the '5' is there only for it to look kool |
| 23:24.02 | metalfan_ | johndo grub2 from the lenny repos |
| 23:24.03 | johndo | afaik lenny did have grub1 |
| 23:24.18 | johndo | ok, never tried that :) |
| 23:24.19 | metalfan_ | johndo but as black_ pointed out my grub config is missing a menuentry |
| 23:24.33 | johndo | yes, it looks very empty |
| 23:25.21 | metalfan_ | have to eat, back in 20 mins |
| 23:25.22 | rypervenche | Ah, I got it to work. It just apparently doesn't work on all videos. |
| 23:25.30 | johndo | metalfan_: maybe if grub2 does not work, give grub1 a try |
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| 23:26.07 | LetoPoole | rypervenche: well, good you half-got it :) |
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| 23:26.31 | Black_Prince | Also metalfan_, any specific reasons why still running Lenny? Squeeze is stable for 3 months now |
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| 23:27.00 | johndo | Black_Prince: i guess he tries to switch to grub before he upgrades |
| 23:27.15 | Black_Prince | He already did. |
| 23:27.31 | johndo | but without success ;) |
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| 23:28.01 | Black_Prince | Squeeze release notes say to install new dpkg apt and kernel, then reboot and upgrade everything else. |
| 23:28.12 | Black_Prince | And he is using some custom kernel, not one from repositories. |
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| 23:30.20 | Nomad | Using Debian Squeeze Stable. How do I update my Chrome Browser? Its Chrome version 6, so it does not auto update and my Synaptic Package Manager never updates the Chrome versions?? |
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| 23:31.31 | orzo | Nomad, there might be some other way you'd prefer, but if it were me, i would run chrome the way i run firefox. In a 32bit chroot with write-permisions by regular user that lets the vanilla upstream binary update itself |
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| 23:32.02 | Black_Prince | Chrome has it's own repository |
| 23:32.08 | orzo | oh? |
| 23:32.13 | Black_Prince | Yes |
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| 23:32.33 | orzo | well perhaps Nomad doesnt have that set up? |
| 23:32.50 | Nomad | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:33.12 | rich0_ | is there some kind of freeze on unstable at the moment? I haven't seen many updates lately |
| 23:33.14 | Black_Prince | I don't know. You will have to download deb from google site, then it will automagicaly add it's repository. |
| 23:33.23 | rich0_ | is everyone sore after perl 5.12 |
| 23:33.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | rich0_: no freeze on, there are packages being accepted |
| 23:34.39 | johndo | Nomad: just a side note, before adding that repository: ask yourself if you really want to run google anything on your system with root permissions |
| 23:34.40 | Black_Prince | http://www.google.com/chrome/eula.html?platform=linux just download 32 or 64 bit deb, install it with dpkg (terminal) or gdebi (ui) and it will update itself when available. |
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| 23:35.37 | johndo | and, if it's chrome, there's a difference between chromium and chrome |
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| 23:35.55 | rich0_ | Kamping_Kaiser: Cheers :) |
| 23:36.11 | orzo | what browser is most popular in #debian? |
| 23:36.14 | Nomad | Nomad--->Black Prince yeah I downloaded Chrome I thought the repository would take care of this problem but it hasn't. I did the apt-gt install Chrome Browser. thought it might replace the old version, didn't ;-( |
| 23:36.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | rich0_: np :) |
| 23:36.52 | Nomad | I'll do the dpkg a try |
| 23:37.00 | johndo | Nomad: there's no chrome browser package in debian |
| 23:37.06 | rich0_ | orzo: I'm playing with uzbl at the moment. I'm pretty fond of it so far, though I still use pentadactyl at work |
| 23:37.19 | Black_Prince | Purge current chrome (chromium) and install that one. |
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| 23:37.49 | Nomad | ok Johndo how do I update it? |
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| 23:38.15 | Nomad | right Ill purge it Black Prince |
| 23:38.38 | orzo | pentadactyl = firefox with addon? |
| 23:38.56 | johndo | Nomad: there is no newer version of chromium availabe for stable, only for sid/unstable |
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| 23:39.15 | axx_ | hi all |
| 23:39.22 | axx_ | simple (I hope) question |
| 23:39.24 | Nomad | damn that what I was afraid of, crap |
| 23:39.51 | Nomad | but there still has to be a work around, right? |
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| 23:40.15 | axx_ | how can I batch update symlinks? I have links that point to /mnt/a/some/path and they need to now point to /mnt/b/some/path |
| 23:40.37 | johndo | Nomad: so you either stay with chromium 6 from debian or trust google or stick with what orzo proposed |
| 23:40.49 | axx_ | I should mention most of these links have spaces in their names |
| 23:41.10 | Nomad | johndo I'm going to purge Chrome |
| 23:41.36 | rich0_ | orzo: yes, although by the time I'm done with it it's so far removed from firefox that I call it pentadactyl |
| 23:42.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | axx_: have a look at http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BASH and related pages. handling files with spaces in thier names is covered |
| 23:42.21 | axx_ | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks a lot, I'll have a look! :) |
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| 23:42.32 | nsadmin | !dmm |
| 23:42.32 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 23:42.38 | Nomad | thanks everyone |
| 23:42.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | axx_: but for file in *; do ln -s /new/links/ done is the basic idea. you 'just' need to make it 'space safe' :) |
| 23:43.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | and not miss out characters *heh* |
| 23:43.31 | orzo | rich0_: interesting tips, thanks |
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| 23:44.18 | axx_ | Kamping_Kaiser: ah, sounds easier said than done |
| 23:44.23 | axx_ | I'll give it a go |
| 23:44.54 | axx_ | I found this, but a comment mentioned it gave problems with spaces in the filenames http://superuser.com/questions/157743/batch-update-symbolic-links-recursively |
| 23:45.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | axx_: gl. there is also #bash on freenode who might have better links 'on tap' |
| 23:45.15 | johndo | axx_: for file in *; do ... is not a good idea |
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| 23:45.32 | johndo | better use: /bin/ls | while read f; do ... |
| 23:45.48 | axx_ | Kamping_Kaiser: good thinking, I'll ask them! |
| 23:46.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | axx_: :) |
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| 23:58.41 | dsockwell | i'm attempting to boot debian squeeze from a SAN. Is there any special trick to this? |
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| 23:58.57 | dsockwell | i've installed to single path device and i want to make it multipath |
| 23:59.34 | dsockwell | under scientificlinux, it seems to load the initrd and kernel from a single path, then mount root as multipath, but debian seems to fail at this |
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