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| 00:00.33 | ecc | That's odd. Maybe your disk doesn't report that info? Try "hdparm -i" (lower case) too. |
| 00:00.56 | john2 | Hello, can i ask a quick question? |
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| 00:01.08 | schoppenhauer | john2: no |
| 00:01.21 | john2 | schop |
| 00:01.23 | schoppenhauer | john2: i do not think you can, otherwise you would just have done it! |
| 00:01.32 | houms | actually he did |
| 00:01.33 | john2 | right |
| 00:01.42 | schoppenhauer | oh, my bad |
| 00:01.55 | schoppenhauer | but then the question was useless. interesting. |
| 00:02.02 | schoppenhauer | a question that answers itself. |
| 00:02.11 | newl | hdparm -i /dev/ shows it |
| 00:02.14 | john2 | in the gnome-terminal, neither of my passwords works for sudo make install. why? |
| 00:02.28 | john2 | schoppenhauer: haha |
| 00:03.39 | john2 | i know that its a basic question, but im new in debian, so maybe it works differently |
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| 00:05.35 | john2 | so? |
| 00:05.43 | dserban | so... how do I get a workstation to forget what domain.com resolved to a minute ago and re-request? I know it's part of libc right? I'm not running nscd |
| 00:05.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | john2: you keep typoing, or youre running the command wrong are my two guesses |
| 00:06.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | dserban: just run host or dig with a nameserver as the 2nd option, it'll recheck |
| 00:06.25 | john2 | Kamping_Kaiser: thank you, ill try some more |
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| 00:07.55 | newl | dserban: how is the dns changing in a minute? |
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| 00:08.49 | houms | anyone help troubleshoot kernel freeze on default testing install? |
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| 00:08.52 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 00:09.34 | ZenWalker | when the unarchiver package on debian? :) |
| 00:09.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | ZenWalker: for what files |
| 00:10.10 | dserban | newl: oh restarted internal bind server |
| 00:10.26 | dym | dserban: not running nscd?! |
| 00:10.27 | dserban | seems that my browser(s) are caching the old ip, even if I close them... |
| 00:10.37 | dym | dserban: ofcourse? clear the browsercache? |
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| 00:12.00 | newl | dserban: i was betting you'd say you were using host file or wanting to play with a round robin situation |
| 00:12.21 | dym | lol :D newl how would you derive a rr situation from that? :D |
| 00:12.24 | dserban | newl: yeah testing a cluster |
| 00:12.29 | dym | jesus |
| 00:12.35 | dym | spot on there :D |
| 00:12.37 | dserban | :P |
| 00:13.14 | dym | dserban: clear your browsers cache. |
| 00:13.17 | dserban | browser cache is clear, dig shows the correct ip, ping does the same, browsers still go to old site.. hosts file is almost blank... |
| 00:13.28 | dym | dserban: that cant be. |
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| 00:13.34 | dserban | checks again |
| 00:13.40 | dym | if ping shows the correct ip, it should work. |
| 00:13.52 | ZenWalker | Kamping_Kaiser: http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/free-rarv3-extraction |
| 00:13.58 | ZenWalker | Kamping_Kaiser: rar v3 |
| 00:15.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | ZenWalker: there is unrar-free for some rar, then unrar in non-free |
| 00:15.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: rar |
| 00:15.13 | dpkg | Roshal ARchive (RAR) is a proprietary archive format used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz. To extract RAR archives, use either "rar", "unrar" or "p7zip-rar" in non-free, ask me about <non-free sources>. "unrar-free" is unable to extract RAR3 archives. The rar package can create archives, but costs money (see the license). Install libclamunrar6 (non-free) for support in ClamAV. http://www.rarlab.com/ http://www.unrarlib.org/faq.html |
| 00:16.24 | houms | is xorg.conf file supposed to be created when installing nvidia via dkms? |
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| 00:17.00 | ZenWalker | unrar-free not is for rarv3 |
| 00:17.15 | ZenWalker | and unrar in non-free , is non free |
| 00:17.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | correct |
| 00:17.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | houms: probably. i expect its ading nvidia config into it |
| 00:17.42 | ZenWalker | I use debian main |
| 00:18.33 | daemonkeeper | There was a RFS for a free today, claiming the tool would be able to (un-)pack rar packages. |
| 00:18.35 | houms | so i ran these commands trying to troubleshoot the original freeze problem, which was occuring with the nouveau driver apparently |
| 00:18.41 | daemonkeeper | +package |
| 00:18.41 | houms | http://pastebin.com/fFHMHpQn |
| 00:19.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | ZenWalker: your options are: bend your rules, or leave your rar compressed |
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| 00:19.26 | eyeris | I |
| 00:19.26 | dserban | reboots cuz he feels like it's 1998! |
| 00:19.29 | newl | houms: also post in #xorg |
| 00:20.30 | eyeris | I've been seeing X become unresponsive quite a bit lately. When this happens I can ssh into the machine and htop shows X taking up 100% cpu. strace -p <pid of X> shows pretty much only calls to gettimeofday(), but a LOT of them, REALLY fast |
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| 00:21.16 | newl | eyeris: i had that and had to back up a version - some library mismatch |
| 00:21.29 | houms | will do, I guess what I would like to know is should i go ahead and create xorg.conf since it was apparently not created during install |
| 00:21.46 | eyeris | newl: on sid or squeeze? I've seen it in both |
| 00:22.01 | newl | houms xorg.conf can contain things you want to modify - like a local conf |
| 00:22.20 | houms | so like a override? |
| 00:22.36 | newl | eyeris: for me it was the xorg version not the os |
| 00:22.51 | newl | houms enhancement ;) |
| 00:23.04 | eyeris | newl: which version did you switch back to? |
| 00:23.43 | houms | so I installed arch on separate partition and nvidia installed worked correctly on arch, I am thinking copying the xorg.conf from there? |
| 00:24.08 | eyeris | houms: it would be unwise to copy the entire file |
| 00:24.20 | eyeris | it likely has references to files that are stored elsewhere on debian |
| 00:24.23 | eyeris | (like font files) |
| 00:25.05 | houms | is there a way I can uninstall all of the nvidia stuff and start from scratch as far as getting x working properly? |
| 00:25.25 | eyeris | houms: did you install everything using apt-get or aptitude? |
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| 00:25.35 | houms | the commands I ran are listed in order here |
| 00:25.37 | houms | http://pastebin.com/fFHMHpQn |
| 00:25.47 | newl | houms have you tried vesa in the xorg.conf |
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| 00:26.46 | houms | thats what i am having problems with there is no xorg.conf |
| 00:26.53 | houms | i installed testing via netinstall |
| 00:27.02 | houms | then xorg xfce4 |
| 00:27.11 | houms | even before i tried gdm |
| 00:27.21 | houms | even typing startx caused freeze |
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| 00:28.12 | houms | then I ran the command in that pastebin and that seemed to have replaced nouveau with nvidia but still same issue. hard freeze |
| 00:28.32 | newl | houms Xorg -configure should generate a default one for you |
| 00:28.46 | ZykoticK9 | Kamping_Kaiser, FYI Trisquel's mailing listed has had a thread regarding this s/w the last few days (which is free software) and supports RARv3 supposedly http://code.google.com/p/theunarchiver/ |
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| 00:30.32 | houms | i created it using the command and tried to test it, and the screen went to black right after nvidia logo, looks like another hard freeze |
| 00:30.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | ZykoticK9: .. then install it? |
| 00:30.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | ZykoticK9: optinally file an rfp |
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| 00:31.18 | ZykoticK9 | Kamping_Kaiser, it wasn't me that needed it, but the OP ZenWalker had left, just wanted to bring it to your attention |
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| 00:31.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | ZykoticK9: oh, sorry. i hadn't noticed the nick change :s |
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| 00:32.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | ZykoticK9: thanks for the heads up :) |
| 00:32.04 | newl | houms it created what you are using without it - gives you something to add to - change the driver (nvidea/nouveau whatevar) to nv or vesa etc |
| 00:36.42 | houms | thanks newl changed it to vesa and have the same issue |
| 00:36.54 | houms | still mouse and keyboard do not work |
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| 00:44.17 | jenev | hey |
| 00:44.31 | jenev | what is the new name for ed |
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| 00:45.09 | jenev | i am trying to build something that requires 'ed' it can't find it |
| 00:45.15 | jenev | and when i tr apt-get |
| 00:45.29 | jenev | it say something about being refered to by a different name |
| 00:45.51 | jenev | so what's the new name and can i just make a link to the name command |
| 00:46.02 | jenev | will it be backwards compatible? |
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| 00:47.04 | dym | jenev: http://packages.debian.org |
| 00:47.08 | dym | always a good place to start. |
| 00:48.53 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 00:53.17 | jenev | dym, im not finding anything |
| 00:53.47 | dym | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/ed |
| 00:56.27 | jenev | dym, heh guess i missed that :p :) |
| 00:57.34 | dym | (: |
| 00:58.18 | jenev | and im assuming this is the one used in debian 6.0.1 right |
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| 01:08.29 | phpguy306 | should my folders be root/root or www-data/root, or other? in apache. |
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| 01:09.12 | phpguy306 | more specifically, the www folder |
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| 01:12.04 | Craigwd_2000 | I've got a very generic Debian question... Is Etch the final release for 68k Macs...? I'd like to see something that's tuned/more optimized for a full 33MHz 68040...; I have a Peforma 636CD that unofficially supports using a 64 MB FPM RAM module for a total of 68 MBs of RAM...; can Etch use all of that RAM at once...? If so how large should the Swap partition be...? |
| 01:14.26 | Craigwd_2000 | Does Etch support millions of colors mode too...? |
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| 01:15.20 | Craigwd_2000 | What's the best WM for such an old Mac...? |
| 01:16.36 | newl | phpguy306: what is the user you have apache running as ps -efw will show you - to write to the dir it needs to be owned by that user |
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| 01:33.00 | factor | Does deiban have a version of dia 98 |
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| 01:34.03 | orzo | is libgl1-mesa-dri supposed to depend on both libdrm-intel1 and libdrm-radeon1 ? Aren't those alternates? |
| 01:34.24 | factor | i need text rotatation which is only in 98 + |
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| 01:41.19 | Wyzard | factor: Doesn't look like it |
| 01:41.25 | phpguy306 | newl: www-data 24309 2711 9 21:16 ? 00:01:27 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
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| 01:43.41 | orzo | does ifupdown have a way to show what virtual interfaces it currently considers up? |
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| 01:44.24 | orzo | found it, cat /etc/network/run/ifstate |
| 01:45.45 | factor | Wyzard, ok tried the ubuntu version .. borked stuff up, reinstall 97 and living with that |
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| 01:51.15 | matias | Hello |
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| 01:52.13 | matias | why dmesg is returning something different than what is in /var/log/dmesg? I don't know if it's supposed to be the same but it makes sense |
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| 02:00.24 | matias | at least is it possible to do tail with dmesg? |
| 02:00.34 | Wyzard | matias: /var/log/dmesg is a copy of the dmesg output from when the system booted |
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| 02:00.41 | matias | oh |
| 02:00.51 | Wyzard | matias: Kernel messages after that should be in /var/log/syslog |
| 02:01.09 | Wyzard | The purpose of /var/log/dmesg is to capture messages that were logged by the kernel before syslogd started running |
| 02:01.09 | matias | so it's just updated/written while the system is still not using its buffer? |
| 02:01.23 | matias | ok, great |
| 02:01.25 | onryo_ | I just moved over to debian since ubuntu is a joke. Thing is that I am developing Blender. How do I instal python3.2-dev in Squeeze? |
| 02:01.34 | matias | so dmesg should have the same as /var/log/syslog? Wyzard |
| 02:01.38 | Wyzard | The "dmesg" command shows the *current* contents of the kernel's message buffer |
| 02:01.47 | Wyzard | Well, /var/log/syslog has more than just kernel messages |
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| 02:02.03 | Wyzard | but yes, anything in dmesg currently should be in syslog too (unless you've configured your syslogd to filter it out) |
| 02:02.06 | matias | I see, the point is that I want to use tail with the log of dmesg |
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| 02:02.36 | Wyzard | There's also /var/log/kern.log, which should be *just* the kernel messages |
| 02:02.37 | Wyzard | You can tail that |
| 02:02.40 | onryo_ | please point me in the right direction for installing python 3.2. |
| 02:02.56 | matias | Wyzard, tail -f ? I couldn't |
| 02:03.12 | Wyzard | matias: "tail -f /var/log/kern.log" works for me |
| 02:03.25 | matias | oh well, I mean, using "dmesg" directly :P |
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| 02:03.36 | matias | (I didn't know about kern.log, thank you for that information) |
| 02:04.26 | onryo_ | bump? |
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| 02:04.54 | WhoAmIHere | sorry, I have a question: |
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| 02:07.48 | Mini_ | why I get this message "(EE) Mouse0: failed to initialize for relative axes." when I startx,but everything is OK |
| 02:09.03 | Wyzard | Mini_: As a guess, that could mean you're using a tablet, which reports absolute position rather than relative movement |
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| 02:10.36 | Mini_ | Wyzard: How can I remove this message? |
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| 02:13.17 | Mini_ | Wyzard: There have no errors when I use mouse driver, and when I used evdev driver it happens. |
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| 02:14.34 | Wyzard | dunno then |
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| 02:15.11 | Wyzard | Google has some results for that message, but it doesn't seem to be a single specific problem |
| 02:15.23 | Wyzard | One person gets it for a keyboard (which, understandably, has no relative mouse axes) |
| 02:15.51 | Datz | hi, is it possible to remove the Computer icon, and home icon/links from the desktop |
| 02:16.25 | Mini_ | I googled it but can't affect for me. |
| 02:17.07 | Wyzard | Datz: In GNOME? I think there's a gconf setting for that. |
| 02:17.31 | Datz | oh right, in Gnome |
| 02:17.32 | Wyzard | Datz: Look under /apps/nautilus/desktop in gconf-editor |
| 02:17.39 | Datz | humm |
| 02:17.53 | Mini_ | why I get this message "(EE) Mouse0: failed to initialize for relative axes." when I startx on debian,but everything is OK |
| 02:18.06 | Datz | Wyzard: gconf-editor is a special editor? |
| 02:18.30 | onryo_ | Blender is more or less what 3D studio max is. Its huge. If I am going to be able to contribute to this project I need to code in in python 3.2. Any pointer on how to install 3.2 and the 3.2-dev? |
| 02:18.43 | Datz | also, where is /apps/nautilus/desktop? |
| 02:18.48 | Datz | in usr home folder? |
| 02:18.50 | Wyzard | Datz: Yes, it's sort of like regedit in Windows, except that gconf isn't as full of legacy cruft as the Windows registry |
| 02:18.59 | Wyzard | Datz: That's not a filesystem path, it's a gconf path |
| 02:19.16 | Datz | humm |
| 02:19.28 | Datz | I see |
| 02:19.38 | Wyzard | Datz: It actually corresponds to data in the XML files in ~/.gconf, but you shouldn't edit those by hand while gconfd is running |
| 02:19.48 | Datz | ah, cool |
| 02:19.49 | WiZ | Datz you need to type gconf-editor |
| 02:20.03 | Datz | right, it just opened, never used it before :) |
| 02:20.39 | Nomad | for all the squeeze stable users and anyone who cares but I ran into a new repository for chrome http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main |
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| 02:22.20 | Datz | Wyzard: should the changes be immediate? |
| 02:22.28 | Datz | I unchecked the icons |
| 02:22.41 | Wyzard | yes |
| 02:23.16 | orzo | is there any ap for making automated donations based on my usage |
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| 02:23.44 | orzo | so, the user selects a fixed amount to donate and it distributes it based on packages installed and binaries run |
| 02:23.49 | orzo | heh |
| 02:24.00 | Wyzard | Interesting idea, but I don't think so |
| 02:24.03 | RIMAL | I have iceweasel in my squeeze operating system.but i want to install mozilla firefox .there is no mozilla firefox in synaptic.What shall i do? |
| 02:24.09 | Wyzard | It'd be hard to come up with a useful definition of "usage" |
| 02:24.27 | Wyzard | RIMAL: iceweasel is the same program, just renamed for trademark reasons |
| 02:24.49 | Wyzard | RIMAL: There's no Debian package of "Firefox" because that software is packaged with the name "Iceweasel" instead |
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| 02:25.05 | RIMAL | Wyzard, ok.thanks |
| 02:25.06 | Nomad | iceweasel is pretty cool ;-) |
| 02:26.33 | Nomad | Can Squeeze stable users update Iceweasel? |
| 02:26.36 | anima- | Nomad, iceweasel is firefox |
| 02:26.40 | Datz | Wyzard: are you on GNOME? |
| 02:26.51 | Wyzard | yes |
| 02:26.54 | Nomad | yes but with a debian twist ;-) |
| 02:27.17 | orzo | Wyzard: a prerequisite to implementing my idea would be some kind of universal way of mapping packages to donation destinations |
| 02:28.18 | Datz | Wyzard: I'm not sure how to remove the icons in the gconf-editor |
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| 02:28.57 | Wyzard | Datz: Navigate to /apps/nautilus/desktop and uncheck the computer_icon_visible, home_icon_visible, etc. |
| 02:29.36 | Datz | yea, I thought that would have worked |
| 02:29.44 | Datz | maybe I need to refresh something |
| 02:29.53 | Datz | I was going to ask if it worked for you |
| 02:30.03 | Datz | or maybe there is some way to apply the setting? |
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| 02:30.51 | Nomad | So is there a way to update iceweasel to 4.0 + I'm using Squeeze stable. A yes or no is good, I'll figure out how to do it:-) |
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| 02:31.38 | Wyzard | Datz: It should take effect immediately -- it does for me |
| 02:31.52 | mrdeb | is there a gtk3 editor |
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| 02:32.10 | Wyzard | Datz: Are you sure you're running GNOME? |
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| 02:33.15 | matias | if [ ... ]; then \n something; \n else \n somethingelse; fi |
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| 02:33.26 | matias | [: 13: matias: unexpected operator |
| 02:33.36 | Datz | Wyzard: 2.30.2 |
| 02:33.37 | matias | line 13 in the real code is "fi" |
| 02:33.42 | matias | what is wrong :S? |
| 02:34.02 | Datz | Wyzard: eh maybe the icons will be gone when I restart |
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| 02:34.56 | Wyzard | matias: That message looks like it's coming from the [, not from your script |
| 02:35.10 | Wyzard | matias: ([ is actually a program, /usr/bin/[, which is just a copy of /usr/bin/test) |
| 02:35.28 | un214 | (and is built into the shell these days but [ is there all the same) |
| 02:35.31 | matias | weird! |
| 02:35.34 | matias | so what is wrong with [ ? |
| 02:35.45 | un214 | something between the [ and the ] |
| 02:35.54 | matias | if [ `whoami` == 'root' ]; then |
| 02:36.26 | matias | is it wrong? |
| 02:36.29 | un214 | I think it's one = sign |
| 02:36.47 | matias | yes, you are right |
| 02:36.48 | matias | thank you |
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| 02:40.48 | matias | ahmn, actually I didn't want to use whoami but I wanted to know if he's the authentic root and he's not using sudo instead |
| 02:41.08 | mrdeb | is gnome better for debian use |
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| 02:41.49 | un214 | whoami will return root |
| 02:42.28 | matias | I know but I'm executing something really weird, I just noticed if you try using sudo it doesn't work but it does if you are logged as the authentic root user |
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| 02:43.52 | matias | I mean, I didn't know there was any difference, in fact $ sudo whoami says "root" |
| 02:44.32 | un214 | this will tell you a bit better who it is: who | grep `tty 0>&2 | sed 's~^/dev/~~'` | (read X Y ; echo $X) |
| 02:45.44 | matias | root@localnode:/home/matias# who | grep `tty 0>&2 | sed 's~^/dev/~~'` | (read X Y ; echo $X) |
| 02:45.44 | matias | matias |
| 02:45.49 | matias | it doesn't work well :P |
| 02:45.57 | un214 | of course it does |
| 02:46.03 | un214 | that's who logged into that terminal |
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| 02:46.15 | matias | ah, anyway, it's not what I want anyway |
| 02:46.23 | matias | here is the main problem: http://pastebin.com/AKbjwbE0 |
| 02:46.44 | matias | if you run it using sudo it returns some errors, I don't know why |
| 02:46.55 | matias | but if you are root it works fine |
| 02:47.09 | mrdeb | is sudo set up automatically in d6 gnome install |
| 02:47.21 | un214 | ah |
| 02:47.42 | un214 | your script probably needs to source /etc/profile and /root/.profile |
| 02:47.49 | orzo | using ifupdown, how would i enable multiple gateway interfaces and let it select one by priority? |
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| 02:48.31 | jmarsden | un214: sudo -i should do that ... I think!? |
| 02:48.34 | Wyzard | mrdeb: sudo has nothing to do with GNOME, but no, Debian doesn't set up sudo by default the way Ubuntu does |
| 02:48.49 | un214 | jarmsden: but he's trying to set it up as sudo command |
| 02:49.00 | un214 | rather than sudo -i followed by running the command |
| 02:49.25 | jmarsden | un214: alias foo='sudo -i whatever' # not good enough ? :) |
| 02:49.39 | WiZ | lol |
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| 02:49.39 | un214 | I don't think you can do sudo -i whatever |
| 02:49.44 | jmarsden | man sudo |
| 02:49.48 | jmarsden | It says you can |
| 02:50.20 | Wyzard | mrdeb: Actually, that's only half true: Debian's default sudo configuration lets anyone in the group "sudo" use it to run any command as root |
| 02:50.28 | un214 | Personally I unisnstalled sudo a long time ago |
| 02:50.29 | Wyzard | mrdeb: No users are in that group by default, but you can add them |
| 02:50.32 | Datz | ooh, ipv6 |
| 02:50.49 | Datz | looks all cool and stuff |
| 02:51.02 | jmarsden | matias: Try your stuff using sudo -i # and see if that helps |
| 02:51.26 | matias | ok |
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| 02:52.34 | Deckard | need some help with xmonad if anyone is available and willing |
| 02:52.37 | matias | matias@localnode:~/so2011$ sudo -i "sh upmod" |
| 02:52.37 | matias | -bash: sh upmod: command not found |
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| 02:53.58 | k-man | anyone know of an email ticket trouble processing system? |
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| 02:54.14 | dvs | jira? |
| 02:54.26 | k-man | a free one? |
| 02:54.37 | matias | can you believe me it doesn't work if you do $ sudo make clean but if does work if you do $ sudo sh script and you write "make clean" somewhere inside the script ? lol |
| 02:54.48 | karlpinc | k-man: request-tracker3.8? |
| 02:55.01 | matias | s/if/it/ |
| 02:55.10 | k-man | karlpinc, thanks, ill have a look |
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| 02:57.28 | karlpinc | k-man: It does not seem to have any debtags. :-( |
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| 02:58.00 | jmarsden | matias: don't quote the sh upmod, that makes it one argument, there is no executable file called "sh upmod" so you get an error. Just do sudo -i sh upmod # if sh upmod is the command you need to run. |
| 02:58.25 | un214 | wow |
| 02:58.42 | un214 | probably sudo is resetting the path but /root/.bashrc fixes it |
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| 02:58.57 | matias | sh: Can't open upmod |
| 02:59.04 | jmarsden | matias: where is upmod? |
| 02:59.14 | jmarsden | sudo -i sh /full/path/to/upmod |
| 02:59.22 | matias | in the same dir |
| 02:59.36 | jmarsden | same dir as what? sudo -i makes /root your current directory :) |
| 02:59.44 | matias | ohh |
| 02:59.48 | matias | ok, that was the problem then |
| 02:59.55 | jmarsden | Equivalent to logging in as root... :) |
| 03:00.05 | matias | it's working now in fact |
| 03:00.06 | matias | thank you |
| 03:00.11 | jmarsden | You're welcome :) |
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| 03:00.15 | onryo_ | is there a working backport for python3.2 for Sqeeze with 3.2-dev? |
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| 03:02.32 | karlpinc | matias: Perhaps you want -c instead of -i. (Or simply use "su" with -c.) |
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| 03:03.28 | karlpinc | ,versions python3 |
| 03:03.29 | judd | Package python3 on i386 -- squeeze: 3.1.3-12; sid: 3.2-3; wheezy: 3.2-3 |
| 03:03.47 | matias | no, it's ok, it works perfectly now :) |
| 03:04.00 | matias | matias@localnode:~$ sudo -i pwd |
| 03:04.13 | matias | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.16 | matias | hehe |
| 03:04.32 | boudiccas | how can i force the system to read a dvd that i've just placed in the caddy under media>>cdrom0 ? it burnt the dvd from k3b and its not a corrupt dvd, but the system just isnt recognising it |
| 03:04.34 | onryo_ | judd thank you. |
| 03:04.44 | karlpinc | onryo_: judd is a bot |
| 03:04.53 | simonlnu | it's a bot |
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| 03:05.17 | hotwings | does anyone know where usb.ids has moved to? seems http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids is no longer valid but surely theres a currently maintained list |
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| 03:07.11 | onryo_ | kind of funny that a bot was the most helpful "person" here. Truth is that I really like well tested software. Catch 22. How do you develop new stuff? |
| 03:08.02 | simonlnu | one line at a time |
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| 03:09.20 | hotwings | if you like well-tested software, windows is your best bet. its easily the most tested os with the most tested software available |
| 03:09.38 | hotwings | then again i guess it depends on what your idea of "well tested" is |
| 03:09.41 | onryo_ | Blender is a huge project that is still being developed in 3.2 =/ |
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| 03:13.37 | onryo_ | hotwings Means I can read all the code (no blobs) that it is stable, 100% free as in speech. Stops lieing about calling the system "Linux" and not GNU/Linux .. I am not going to rant. |
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| 03:16.32 | karlpinc | !tell onryo_ about ssb |
| 03:16.44 | Egyptian[Laptop] | hi .. which version is 6? squeze? lenny? |
| 03:16.48 | Egyptian[Laptop] | !version |
| 03:16.48 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 03:16.49 | Pulse- | I am a version 1.1.0 PyBorg |
| 03:16.52 | karlpinc | Egyptian[Laptop]: squeeze |
| 03:17.00 | Egyptian[Laptop] | karlpinc: thx |
| 03:17.46 | karlpinc | Egyptian[Laptop]: If you're new to debian see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware. |
| 03:18.45 | onryo_ | Thx for that backport url. All the best |
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| 03:19.46 | Egyptian[Laptop] | karlpinc: thx |
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| 03:37.53 | Rogan | Heya - Could anyone tell me how I'd go about install kernal sources? I'm assuming it's just an apt-get but I'm not sure of the package name or anything |
| 03:38.37 | dvs | linux-source-$(uname -r) |
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| 03:39.46 | Rogan | Apparently not... Could possibly be cause I'm running a powerpc? :S |
| 03:40.36 | Wyzard | if you want apt to automatically keep you up-to-date with the latest, install the "linux-source-2.6" package... that'll pull in the latest actual version as a dependency |
| 03:41.03 | Wyzard | dvs: linux-source packages just have the version number, no architecture name |
| 03:41.26 | Rogan | Woo, sorted :) Thank you both very much |
| 03:41.29 | dvs | ah |
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| 03:44.29 | Egyptian[Laptop] | i installed debian6 in kvm and did the first reboot it says unaligned pointer 0x8ef10002 -- aborted .. help ? |
| 03:45.45 | Joelito | question |
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| 03:46.01 | Joelito | beside of souces.list |
| 03:46.08 | Joelito | is there other file that hold repos? |
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| 03:47.28 | Wyzard | Egyptian[Laptop]: Looks like that's a problem with grub... there were some Debian bug reports relating to it, but they've been supposedly fixed |
| 03:47.50 | Egyptian[Laptop] | Wyzard: i wsa doing a netinst |
| 03:47.55 | Wyzard | Egyptian[Laptop]: http://140.120.7.20/KVM-tool/MyKvmNotes.html says it may be related to a "search" line in your grub.cfg |
| 03:49.58 | wols | Joelito: not normally. why do you ask? |
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| 03:50.20 | Leper | libc6 2.13-3 on amd64 fails install horribly ... known issue? |
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| 03:50.49 | Joelito | because I installed g00gle chrome @ my debian and it adds its repos, when I look my sources.list, is not there, wols |
| 03:51.17 | gnarface | Joelio: they put it in a file in sources.list.d |
| 03:51.27 | gnarface | Joelio: opera does the same thing |
| 03:51.42 | Joelito | oww >.< gnarface |
| 03:52.07 | Egyptian[Laptop] | Wyzard: hmm.... editing the grub line hangs after like 30 seconds .... is there a method to delete a line in the grub editor ? |
| 03:52.33 | gnarface | Egyptian[Laptop]: ctrl-k? |
| 03:52.45 | gnarface | Egyptian[Laptop]: or maybe ctrl-u? |
| 03:52.46 | Leper | looks like libc6 2.13-3 removes the /lib64 symlink |
| 03:52.53 | Leper | clever. |
| 03:53.24 | Egyptian[Laptop] | gnarface: neither of the 2 |
| 03:53.27 | Joelito | another one, how do I know a window ID? |
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| 03:55.12 | \amethyst | Joelito: an X window ID? you can run xwininfo then click in the window |
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| 03:55.16 | edbian | I have a root account on my system but I never use it. I use sudo. Some dialog boxes that pop up want my sudo password (gksudo) and some want root's password (gksu) how can I easily fix this? Can I remove the root user? |
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| 03:55.58 | Joelito | \amethyst, ok, because I want to use transset-df on my startup and I need its ID, I will search about xwininfo |
| 03:56.16 | \amethyst | oh, you need it programmatically? |
| 03:56.41 | Joelito | yep, to make transparent some panels |
| 03:58.24 | Rusty1 | man xprop maybe |
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| 03:59.05 | \amethyst | yeah, xprop or xwit |
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| 04:00.32 | RIMAL | how can i update my iceweasel 3.5.16 toiceweasel 4 |
| 04:00.35 | Egyptian[Laptop] | can anybody help with this grub issue ? |
| 04:01.22 | wols | ,versions iceweasel |
| 04:01.24 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-5; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-6~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-7; sid: 3.5.19-2; wheezy: 3.5.19-2; experimental: 4.0.1-2 |
| 04:01.35 | Joelito | RIMAL, maybe you should recompile it |
| 04:01.38 | \amethyst | hm... xprop doesn't seem to print the window ID |
| 04:01.42 | Joelito | or download the patent one |
| 04:01.59 | wols | installing stuff from experimental is not advised |
| 04:03.15 | RIMAL | okay |
| 04:04.03 | Joelito | RIMAL, or try alternatives :D |
| 04:04.37 | \amethyst | \Joelito: if you have xwit installed: xwit -property WM_COMMAND -print -names gnome-panel | sed -e 's/:.*//' |
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| 04:04.50 | RIMAL | which alternative? |
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| 04:05.53 | anima- | RIMAL, why do you want iceweasel 4.0 ? |
| 04:06.03 | Joelito | RIMAL, chromium, chromplus, chrome, opera, minuri |
| 04:06.11 | Joelito | minuri? Let me see.. |
| 04:06.26 | jhutchins_lt | Ughh, Flash on Debian. Damn. |
| 04:07.12 | zinx | jhutchins_lt: ??? |
| 04:07.16 | Joelito | Midori :p |
| 04:07.20 | zinx | jhutchins_lt: aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree. done. |
| 04:07.34 | RIMAL | wt is chromeplus? |
| 04:07.42 | arvind_khadri | Joelio, mozilla.debian.net |
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| 04:08.03 | Joelito | nah, download the package from adobe, avoiding "non-free" brunch :D |
| 04:08.36 | jhutchins_lt | I can get two, maybe three videos, then it locks up. |
| 04:09.22 | arvind_khadri | RIMAL, check out mozilla.debian.net |
| 04:09.23 | Joelito | arvind_khadri, nice :D |
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| 04:09.37 | arvind_khadri | Joelito, :) |
| 04:10.05 | RIMAL | okay . arvind_khadri |
| 04:10.16 | RIMAL | thanks |
| 04:10.35 | Joelito | would be nice, also for chromium daily |
| 04:10.48 | Arrowmaster | jhutchins_lt: flash 10.2 is broken, it crashs all the time even on windows |
| 04:11.51 | gnarface | hmm. i'm not having any trouble with it on my system |
| 04:11.56 | jhutchins_lt | What it gets down to is that the great big promise of multi-media over the internet flat just doesn't work. |
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| 04:12.21 | wols | jhutchins_lt: billion dollar companies seem to prove you wrong |
| 04:12.23 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: it works just fine if you use open standards :-p |
| 04:12.30 | gnarface | theora ftw |
| 04:12.39 | gnarface | flash sucks ass |
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| 04:13.10 | gnarface | that said, i'm not experiencing crashes |
| 04:13.10 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, flash sucks, and some of what I want to watch is flash. |
| 04:13.31 | gnarface | i'm using 10.2 on amd64 in iceweasel 3.19.whatever (sid's latest) |
| 04:13.52 | gnarface | seriously its actually remarkably stable, even for flash. its just slower than frozen shit |
| 04:13.52 | jhutchins_lt | Give me a working link to Imelda May, Tainted Love. |
| 04:14.17 | anima- | Shockwave Flash 10.3 d162 |
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| 04:14.49 | gnarface | is 10.3 out for amd64 already? |
| 04:14.57 | karlpinc | wols: You mean that billion dollar companies never sell worthless goods? |
| 04:15.09 | anima- | gnarface, the beta is |
| 04:15.21 | anima- | has been for months |
| 04:15.47 | gnarface | anima-: not 10.3 |
| 04:16.00 | anima- | gnarface, ive had it for atleast 2 months |
| 04:16.25 | gnarface | anima-: oh my mistake. so do i. i could have sword i was still using 10.2 |
| 04:16.37 | jhutchins_lt | This plays but is barely audible: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5Sws-ZLfHQ |
| 04:17.07 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: loud and clear for me |
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| 04:17.30 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Groove then. |
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| 04:18.16 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: you sure you don't just have some mixer setting problems? |
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| 04:18.42 | Wyzard | jhutchins: That's a bit quieter than average, but I can hear it fine if I turn my speakers up a little |
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| 04:19.45 | gnarface | my pcm volume is at 100, the flash player volume is at 100, and my master volume setting is at 46, and i'm using sony vdr 770 headphones |
| 04:19.50 | gnarface | loud and clear |
| 04:19.51 | jhutchins_lt | Clicking throug to Walkin after midnight, firefox freezes bad enough that I can't get the URL. |
| 04:20.02 | gnarface | stand by, testing |
| 04:20.17 | gnarface | gonna let this play |
| 04:20.19 | gnarface | good cover |
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| 04:22.03 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: that works for me too... you got some problems. whats the system specs? |
| 04:22.40 | jhutchins_lt | Atom on an Acer one. Repeated flash fails. |
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| 04:22.57 | jhutchins_lt | Not as good as Cowboy Junies. |
| 04:23.18 | gnarface | intel atom? |
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| 04:23.32 | Joelito | quick question, what's the equivalent of "apt-get install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel" in aptitude? |
| 04:23.33 | gnarface | is that using one of those onboard intel video cards? |
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| 04:23.41 | mikey | debian.org on ipv6 is down. |
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| 04:23.52 | Hydroxide | Joelito: same command with aptitude instead apt-get. literally. |
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| 04:24.07 | Hydroxide | Joelito: possibly the -t squeeze-backports has to go before the word install; I forget if it's necessary |
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| 04:24.34 | \amethyst | you can also abbreviate it to aptitude install iceweasel/experimental |
| 04:24.35 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah. |
| 04:24.47 | \amethyst | in case you want to specify some packages from one archive and others from another |
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| 04:25.03 | Joelito | thanks, guys |
| 04:25.05 | Joelito | :) |
| 04:25.07 | Joelito | see ya |
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| 04:25.20 | jhutchins_lt | Both this and my amd32 tend to crap out after the second or third flash. |
| 04:25.48 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: i don't know what to blame, but you've got some bad drivers or libraries in there somewhere. you using sid? |
| 04:26.33 | jhutchins_lt | No, stricktly stable. |
| 04:27.08 | gnarface | hmm. i'd try to recreate the problem with similar media and different software |
| 04:27.16 | gnarface | even download the flash and try to play it locally |
| 04:27.20 | factor | I am having a problem mounting a usb memory storage device. My SANSA FUZE in KDE it works if I drop down to say init 1 and mount it manually , but once in KDE it borks up and says not a valid deivce |
| 04:27.28 | factor | I am using stable debian |
| 04:27.42 | factor | newer kernel though 2.6.36 |
| 04:27.56 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: just to isolate the problem, you know? at this point it could be the flash plugin conflicting with your audio or video drivers |
| 04:28.18 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, |
| 04:28.27 | jhutchins_lt | Seguay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHRFZFmEq9o |
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| 04:29.27 | gnarface | feels weird to see someone having problems with flash that i'm not having when they're on 32-bit and i'm on 64-bit |
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| 04:32.33 | jhutchins_lt | Next: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lPyHd1_aXU |
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| 04:34.15 | gnarface | i am having this weird issue with random videos |
| 04:34.24 | gnarface | where it stops like a specific amount of seconds before the end |
| 04:34.29 | gnarface | something like 32 or something |
| 04:34.45 | gnarface | and i have to jog forward past the stop to continue watching |
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| 04:35.00 | gnarface | that's been happening for a couple weeks but its not all videos |
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| 04:38.59 | jhutchins_lt | mmm. Maybe this next. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEgX64n3T7g |
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| 04:43.59 | jhutchins_lt | Okay, now, given any absence of debian questions.... |
| 04:44.13 | jhutchins_lt | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEgX64n3T7g |
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| 04:44.51 | jhutchins_lt | Or then again that's a repeat... |
| 04:45.28 | jhutchins_lt | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g9PiEgYYUU |
| 04:46.46 | jhutchins_lt | Aaaand flash tanks again G'nite folks. |
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| 04:48.19 | wooster | i'm running make-kpkg on an amd64 machine, and it's spitting out an i386 deb |
| 04:48.34 | wooster | how do i make it build amd64? --arch amd64 doesn't seem to do it |
| 04:51.08 | wooster | dpkg-architecture: warning: Specified GNU system type x86_64-linux-gnu does not match gcc system type i486-linux-gnu. |
| 04:51.18 | wooster | uname says 2.6.38-2-amd64 though |
| 04:51.43 | gnarface | wooster: never had that problem on my amd64 system... and never had to pass extra parameters to force the arch either. did you do something weird with this system like install as i386 then migrate to amd64 after the fact? |
| 04:51.53 | wooster | nope |
| 04:52.11 | wooster | installed wheezy on it yesterday |
| 04:52.17 | wooster | amd64 |
| 04:52.28 | wooster | just trying to build a kernel |
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| 04:52.34 | gnarface | eh i'm on sid amd64. maybe its a wheezy problem, sorry i couldn't say |
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| 05:04.49 | somiaj | had an ugrade of sid render my system unable to find any binaries -- I'd avoid any libc6 upgrdes right now. |
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| 05:24.57 | nollidj` | howdy. it looks like something has thoroughly destroyed the machine i'm running on; i can't exec |
| 05:25.47 | nollidj` | for example, trying to log in at the console gives me "INIT: cannot execute /sbin/getty", and i can't launch new xterms in my window manager (awesome) |
| 05:25.56 | somiaj | nollidj`: did you recentally upgrade sid? |
| 05:25.57 | nollidj` | fortunately, i had an emacs session open, so i'm able to get here in erc |
| 05:26.18 | nollidj` | somiaj: yes |
| 05:26.24 | nollidj` | known issue? |
| 05:26.33 | cahoot | yes now |
| 05:26.44 | somiaj | nollidj`: libc6 is borken, just took out my system too. Going to need a live cd to recover. |
| 05:26.46 | nollidj` | yee-ha. is it safe to reboot, or should i go check my backups? |
| 05:27.21 | somiaj | you'll just have to unpack a function libc6 package...luckly I have one hiding in /var/cache/apt/archives -- I'm just missing a live cd to boot from. |
| 05:27.29 | nollidj` | i see |
| 05:27.37 | nollidj` | i don't have a working optical disk drive, so bleh |
| 05:27.54 | somiaj | get one on a usb sitck or any boot medium |
| 05:27.59 | nollidj` | yeah, i'll figure something out |
| 05:28.08 | nollidj` | it's late at night here, else i'd try to write something in elisp |
| 05:28.48 | nollidj` | do you know which version of libc6 is the offending one? |
| 05:28.50 | somiaj | not sure what is broek in libc6 to stop binarys, but I'm goign to wait until tommorow to reboot mysystem and get a cd. |
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| 05:32.44 | nollidj` | somiaj: do you know of any bugs filed for this issue? |
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| 05:36.51 | somiaj | nollidj`: I didn't see any when I looked for bugs.debian.org/libc6 -- but I'm off to bed, I'm going to fix this tommorow. |
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| 05:37.57 | somiaj | its been a long while since I've seen this grave of a bug in sid. |
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| 05:39.10 | nollidj` | sure thing. thanks for cluing me in |
| 05:39.30 | nollidj` | last time i saw something like this, a c++ lib error broke apt or dpkg or somesuch |
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| 05:48.55 | [E]sc | i get this suddenly, can anyone help me out? http://pastebin.ca/2057162 |
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| 05:49.59 | rhys | anyone happen to know of a VNC server on armel architechture? |
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| 05:51.08 | nollidj` | well, time to take the plunge and see how badly things boot |
| 05:51.31 | rhys | oh. tightvncserver |
| 05:52.59 | rhys | kudos to debian project for the best cross arch support of any OS. |
| 05:53.39 | unforgiven512 | Is there a simple way to restore a folder I deleted with 'rm -rf /folder/folder/' ? |
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| 05:54.25 | rhys | unforgiven512, simple? no. there is a hack i saw somewhere or another that could do it.. |
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| 05:54.49 | unforgiven512 | Oh well, nothing *too* important |
| 05:54.56 | unforgiven512 | Just /etc/apache2/sites-available/ |
| 05:55.26 | gnarface | unforgiven512: there is an unrm implementation for some filesystems that may still be current... you have to have it installed before you delete stuff though i think for it to work |
| 05:55.26 | rhys | unforgiven512, http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html that was on slashdot/linux journal or somewhere |
| 05:55.56 | rhys | is not simple. can be done though. |
| 05:56.18 | rhys | *sometimes can be done |
| 05:57.07 | unforgiven512 | Eh, nothing too important, it's just a test VM |
| 05:57.23 | unforgiven512 | Just the 000-default file |
| 05:57.32 | unforgiven512 | Which isn't even necessary anyhow |
| 05:57.39 | rhys | VM snapshotting. |
| 05:57.43 | rhys | love it |
| 05:58.18 | unforgiven512 | I totally forgot about that feature! |
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| 05:58.37 | unforgiven512 | reinstalls debian 6 |
| 05:58.49 | unforgiven512 | -- and makes a snapshot at first boot :) |
| 05:59.24 | unforgiven512 | I never even thought of snapshotting, this will make testing my system setup/admin scripts SO much easier |
| 05:59.42 | unforgiven512 | I've been reinstalling Debian, because every single time I forgot to make an image or snapshot =/ |
| 05:59.58 | rhys | snapshotting is the prime reason I use LVM on every server I run. snapshot before major reboots |
| 06:00.04 | rhys | Snapshots are awesome. |
| 06:00.35 | unforgiven512 | Good call |
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| 06:00.58 | unforgiven512 | I have a Xen VPS for production, do all my testing in VirtualBox |
| 06:01.02 | unforgiven512 | (OSE) |
| 06:01.48 | rhys | virtualbox proprietary is only really good for testing USB stuff and if your devs like RDP to their testing environments |
| 06:01.55 | unforgiven512 | Yeah |
| 06:02.02 | unforgiven512 | Which I don't really need either of |
| 06:02.39 | unforgiven512 | I thought they changed it in 4.x so that you can load/unload the proprietary stuffs through a "extension" file? |
| 06:03.07 | rhys | no idea. Whatever Oracle does in the far off land of Mordor, I mostly ignore. |
| 06:03.16 | rhys | cause yeah. postgresql. |
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| 06:03.26 | unforgiven512 | Heh |
| 06:03.47 | unforgiven512 | I still use MySQL, but, I've been paying some attention to the situation. It's =/ |
| 06:03.51 | buhman | in squeeze, wireless would be soft-blocked by the ' |
| 06:04.43 | rhys | unforgiven512, mysql has gotten nicer recently. drizzle now? dunno what they are calling it. |
| 06:05.23 | buhman | acer_wmi module; in wheezy, the acer_wmi module seems to have regressed even farther (always soft blocked); I've blacklisted the defective module, but now after resuming after suspend-to-ram wireless is now magically hard-blocked |
| 06:05.30 | rhys | i know we recently had to re-evaluate it for 2 million+ tables, and it has no issue now as opposed to 2005 when we had to use MS-SQL |
| 06:05.33 | buhman | there is no hardware switch on this machine, so how do I fix this? |
| 06:06.47 | buhman | and all the sudden my system just went bonkers while updating |
| 06:07.01 | buhman | the update failed, and now nothing executes |
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| 06:07.37 | infanticide | does anyone else think its hot when a chick goes into the bathroom and you hear a fan turn on? |
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| 06:07.43 | buhman | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/387313/ |
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| 06:07.55 | buhman | infanticide: not particularly |
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| 06:08.29 | buhman | infanticide: are you talking about a vent fan (implying she just let something nasty loose?) |
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| 06:09.11 | infanticide | there's only one reason to have a fan on in the bathroom :D |
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| 06:11.10 | buhman | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/387316/ |
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| 06:21.58 | Tom01 | Is somebody using irrssi? |
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| 06:28.01 | macrobat | popcon says 1051 people use irssi |
| 06:28.21 | buhman | macrobat: way underestimated |
| 06:28.23 | buhman | Tom01: yes |
| 06:28.29 | buhman | Tom01: love it |
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| 06:30.57 | Tom01 | buhman: Do you start it at boot? |
| 06:31.13 | buhman | Tom01: no... |
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| 06:31.22 | macrobat | about 1% of all users. a total of 107647 seems low :D |
| 06:31.53 | buhman | Tom01: 1% wouldn't surprise me, but 107k total does |
| 06:32.12 | buhman | macrobat: ^ |
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| 06:32.35 | buhman | macrobat: I'd rather believe something more like 5% |
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| 06:37.36 | macrobat | yes, i was comparing the wrong column |
| 06:39.27 | somiaj | buhman: yes same thing happened here, bug in libc6 |
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| 06:40.27 | buhman | somiaj: so what do we do? |
| 06:40.51 | buhman | somiaj: how in blazes did that make it out of sid? |
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| 06:41.42 | buhman | somiaj: do we file bugs like madmen and hope that our problem is magically fixed for us? :P |
| 06:41.52 | somiaj | buhman: you'll need to boot up off a livecd/recorverycd (partition/usb stick) -- and manually extract a worknig libc6 into your file system -- at least I think that will fix it, I haven't invesigated other than my computer hasn't been working since I upgraded sid a few hours ago. |
| 06:42.12 | somiaj | buhman: in this case since you cannot execute any binaires, you won't be able to fully boot or upgrade. You'll have to manually fix it. Welcome to sid. (: |
| 06:42.36 | jmarsden | !sid |
| 06:42.36 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian, but in #debian-next on irc.debian.org. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 06:42.53 | jmarsden | Fourth sentence seems relevant here :) |
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| 06:43.42 | buhman | somiaj: but I'm on wheezy |
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| 06:44.36 | jmarsden | Oh... that would be... amazingly bad, if that kind of bug was not spotted before a package left sid! |
| 06:44.47 | somiaj | buhman: then what were you 'updating'? |
| 06:44.58 | buhman | somiaj: I was using the little update manager |
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| 06:45.30 | somiaj | buhman: what package/version was the last to upgrade before it errored out and now won't let you execute any binaires. you keep getting the error bash: /command: No such file or directory? |
| 06:45.31 | buhman | somiaj: I'd paste my sources.list, but... (promise it's all wheezy) |
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| 06:45.46 | buhman | somiaj: roger that |
| 06:46.28 | buhman | somiaj: I don't know which version, it was just a new build (no upstream change) as far as I remember, but I could be easily wrong |
| 06:46.59 | buhman | somiaj: the update manager is still up, but the libc isn't on the list anymore |
| 06:47.19 | somiaj | buhman: what were you updating? Unpacking replacement libc6 ... -- that is where my upgrade broke. |
| 06:47.46 | buhman | somiaj: yes |
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| 06:48.09 | buhman | somiaj: it unpacked libc6 and then the update manager spat out some error that I was unfortunately too naive to read |
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| 06:49.29 | solidus-nitrogen | how would i get a basic development enviornment set up |
| 06:49.38 | solidus-nitrogen | i'm trying to compile some sdl code |
| 06:49.46 | solidus-nitrogen | but getting linker errors that i don't get on other computers |
| 06:49.57 | somiaj | apt-get install build-essential (I belive that is the meta package) |
| 06:49.59 | solidus-nitrogen | i'm assuming i didn't install the needed packages for development |
| 06:50.51 | solidus-nitrogen | somiaj: does libsdl1.2-dev come with all the headers / libraries for c++? |
| 06:52.03 | somiaj | solidus-nitrogen: the -dev packages come with the headers, the regular package has the libs, it will of course only come with the headers/libs for libsdl1.2 and not any other libary |
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| 06:53.17 | Jacob_ChinaZJJX | Hello everyone |
| 06:53.52 | buhman | solidus-nitrogen: build-essential would install the stdc for you |
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| 06:54.29 | buhman | solidus-nitrogen: the linker errors would most likely indicate that your using incompatible dependencies |
| 06:54.38 | solidus-nitrogen | buhman: thanks, with build-essential and libsdl1.2-dev i'm up and running :) that was painless |
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| 06:55.21 | solidus-nitrogen | thanks all :) |
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| 06:57.04 | unforgiven512 | su "$domain_owner" -c "ln -s /home/unforgiven512/logs/${DOMAIN}/awstats/awstats.${DOMAIN}.html /home/unforgiven512/logs/${DOMAIN}/awstats/index.html" fails from a shell script running as root (Permission denied.), but works fine from a live root shell. Any idea why? |
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| 06:58.46 | buhman_ | somiaj: I guess something couldn't turn the fan on and my system overheated and shutoff automatically |
| 06:58.48 | somiaj | unforgiven512: is ${DOMAIN} the env variable set in the shell the script is run? |
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| 06:58.57 | buhman_ | somiaj: kernel panic in the first second of booting |
| 06:59.05 | unforgiven512 | Yes, it's set (example, "testsite.com") |
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| 06:59.41 | unforgiven512 | OH! I think I know what's wrong! |
| 06:59.45 | unforgiven512 | It needs exported |
| 06:59.46 | jmarsden | unforgiven512: if $DOMAIN is really a variable in your user shell environment , su won't "see" it unless you do something like su -p |
| 06:59.48 | unforgiven512 | in the script |
| 06:59.58 | unforgiven512 | so I'd do export $DOMAIN |
| 07:00.05 | unforgiven512 | that way, it translates over to the other user |
| 07:00.14 | somiaj | buhman_: not surprising, no binaries can run....It apears that there was a debian subversion upgrade for both the testing/unstable versions of libc6 -- hence why both got the bug. |
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| 07:00.33 | unforgiven512 | as in, a local variable "$DOMAIN" inside the script will not be recognized as the su command? |
| 07:00.50 | buhman_ | somiaj: I hope somebody fixes it before I reinstall tomorrow |
| 07:00.52 | unforgiven512 | and I have to export it, with: export $DOMAIN ? |
| 07:00.57 | jmarsden | unforgiven512: Try it and see, I may be confused... some env vars definitely do not make it across the su |
| 07:01.24 | unforgiven512 | Point is, the local (script) variable is *definitely* not making it across the su? |
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| 07:01.48 | somiaj | buhman_: do you have the version of libc6 it tried to install? was it 2.11.2-12? |
| 07:02.28 | Jacob_ChinaZJJX | help: which is beter for server, centos or debian. (I'm new) |
| 07:02.33 | jmarsden | unforgiven512: DOMAIN=foo su "$domain_owner" -c "echo ln -s /home/unforgiven512/logs/${DOMAIN}/awstats/awstats.${DOMAIN}.html # would be one way to see whether or not the variable gets there... |
| 07:02.54 | jmarsden | !better |
| 07:02.54 | dpkg | somebody said better was a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 07:03.26 | unforgiven512 | root@oxycodone:~/scripts# DOMAIN=foo |
| 07:03.26 | unforgiven512 | root@oxycodone:~/scripts# sudo -u unforgiven512 echo $DOMAIN |
| 07:03.27 | unforgiven512 | foo |
| 07:03.30 | unforgiven512 | =/ |
| 07:03.47 | unforgiven512 | It seems to come across |
| 07:04.09 | somiaj | unforgiven512: sudo is NOT su |
| 07:04.16 | jmarsden | No, there you expanded the $DOMAIN in the local shell before sudo saw the command. And sudo != su |
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| 07:04.20 | unforgiven512 | I have the exact same issue with both |
| 07:04.24 | unforgiven512 | (sudo and su) |
| 07:04.45 | Jacob_ChinaZJJX | I want a faster one |
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| 07:04.52 | somiaj | its as he said, when you type it in the command line, the shell expands it with the env variable and then runs the command |
| 07:05.09 | unforgiven512 | Ok, so throw it into a bash script and do ./test.sh ? |
| 07:05.12 | somiaj | unforgiven512: ^^ while if you run it in a script the script is run, in the new user/shell and then the variable is expanded. |
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| 07:06.33 | unforgiven512 | Hmm |
| 07:06.45 | unforgiven512 | foofoo=barbar |
| 07:06.51 | unforgiven512 | su unforgiven512 -c "echo ln -s /path/$foofoo/to/cool/stuff/ /other/path/" |
| 07:07.09 | unforgiven512 | returns ln -s /path/barbar/to/cool/stuff/ /other/path/ |
| 07:07.29 | unforgiven512 | So I'm not understanding why I'm getting this permission denied issue =/ |
| 07:07.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | unforgiven512: quote with '', bash expands stuff inside "" |
| 07:07.41 | Jacob_ChinaZJJX | OK, Thx |
| 07:07.42 | jmarsden | The var expansion is still happening in your local shell... |
| 07:08.26 | unforgiven512 | ...but why am I getting permission denied when trying to make symlinks in my script |
| 07:08.30 | unforgiven512 | as $domain_owner |
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| 07:09.26 | deeLer | can someone please check this http://pastebin.com/ctWT2Lwu |
| 07:09.51 | unforgiven512 | su $domain_owner -c "ln -s /path/that/i/own/something.$domain.html /path/that/i/own/index.html" fails |
| 07:09.57 | unforgiven512 | With permission denied |
| 07:10.11 | unforgiven512 | And I can't figure out why. |
| 07:10.37 | deeLer | it should test if 2 -gt 2 , resulting in false, and yet it echoes line 8: already running |
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| 07:11.09 | deeLer | I thought -gt means greater than, not greater or equal ? |
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| 07:11.31 | seko | turkce |
| 07:11.47 | jmarsden | !tr |
| 07:11.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 07:12.22 | unforgiven512 | + su unforgiven512 -c 'ln -s /home/unforgiven512/logs/testsite.com/awstats/awstats.testsite.com.html /home/unforgiven512/logs/testsite.com/awstats/index.html' |
| 07:12.25 | unforgiven512 | ln: creating symbolic link `/home/unforgiven512/logs/testsite.com/awstats/index.html': Permission denied |
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| 07:12.40 | unforgiven512 | I don't understand what I'm doing wrong here. Everything looks correct. |
| 07:12.44 | unforgiven512 | But, permission denied. |
| 07:13.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | deeLer: -geis greater or equal, yes. |
| 07:13.53 | ElDiabolo | How can I reinstall the default my.cnf from mysql-common |
| 07:14.02 | deeLer | Kamping_Kaiser: then what's wrong with my script ? i want to test if the process is already running .... |
| 07:15.06 | somiaj | ElDiabolo: is a copy of it located in /usr/share/doc/mysql or add a -common |
| 07:15.36 | somiaj | ElDiabolo: you can manually unpack the package and grab the file that way to, with dpkg -x /path/to/tmp/dir |
| 07:15.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | deeLer: add 'set -ex' as the 2nd line and run it again. it'll show you what the shell is doing |
| 07:15.54 | deeLer | I'll give it a try |
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| 07:16.47 | deeLer | okay, that is very intresting : it shows : + '[' 3 -gt 2 ']' |
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| 07:16.55 | ElDiabolo | somiaj, Unfortunately not |
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| 07:17.19 | jmarsden | deeLer: Why are you testing that way... try [ -n "`ps --no-headers -C syncback`" ] to see if a process named syncback exists |
| 07:17.21 | deeLer | but why is it 3 ??? when i executeded it before it was 2 !? huh |
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| 07:18.50 | somiaj | ElDiabolo: there some examples in /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.1/examples/ on my system |
| 07:19.14 | deeLer | thanks for the advice jmarsden , could you explain what it does |
| 07:19.26 | jmarsden | ps -C foo lists processes named foo |
| 07:19.39 | jmarsden | ps --no-headers avoids printing out the header at the top of the list. |
| 07:19.55 | jmarsden | so if no processes named foo exist, the result is an empty string... |
| 07:20.05 | jmarsden | -n means "the string has something in it" ... |
| 07:20.11 | somiaj | ElDiabolo: but if you want the one, just grab a copy of the package and manully extract it someplace where you won't cloober things. (temp dir) and grab it that way |
| 07:20.21 | jmarsden | normal use of ps and test, I thought? |
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| 07:21.42 | deeLer | ah, okay, that would be a better way to do it i guess .... but still i'm confused why my code does not work ... do you have an explanation for that jmarsden ? |
| 07:21.50 | ElDiabolo | somiaj, Just reinstalled the complete mysql thingy |
| 07:22.19 | jmarsden | Not really... why spend time debugging poor code when there is (I think!) a better way to do it. |
| 07:22.55 | deeLer | just out of curiosity ... check this if u wish (with the set -ex option) : http://pastebin.com/pFdbGT0D |
| 07:23.11 | jmarsden | deeLer: Your could also fails -- if someone else does a command with the string "syncback" in its parameter list, it would be counted... |
| 07:24.03 | deeLer | that's true jmarsden , however, i'm confident that no one else uses the system |
| 07:25.04 | jmarsden | so the day you type in an interactive command which syncback (or similar) at the wrong momemt, your code breaks... this is not a good way to code things :) |
| 07:25.16 | deeLer | granted |
| 07:26.20 | deeLer | but this http://pastebin.com/pFdbGT0D still puzzles me |
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| 07:28.53 | jmarsden | I see your point, but I don't have time/energy to investigate it, it is after midnight here :) |
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| 07:30.07 | deeLer | heh, ohkay, thanks anyway, using your line now, works perfect |
| 07:30.25 | deeLer | anyone else who can enlighten me on this ? |
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| 07:35.58 | Joey64 | anybody can help me |
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| 07:36.27 | rifling | Ugh, I'm so sick of battling with OpenVPN/iptables. Would someone mind taking a look at my iptables config and telling me perhaps why OpenVPN isn't routing? http://pastebin.com/2CDQhtj6 I'm sure there are some dupe rules in there. |
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| 07:37.21 | zamba | i'm running the netinstall on a server that's not directly connected to the internet, so i need to set up a http proxy |
| 07:37.35 | zamba | what's the quick and dirty way of getting this set up? |
| 07:37.44 | zamba | what kind of package do i need to install on the proxy server? |
| 07:37.47 | zamba | apt-cache? |
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| 07:38.15 | resmo | hi |
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| 07:41.07 | resmo | is there a way to select an apt mirror after installation like the installer apt mirror select tool? |
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| 07:41.33 | somiaj | resmo: I have seen some tools out there, but why not just add the corresponding lines to /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 07:42.24 | sephii | I know "^foo^bar" will replace the first occurence of foo by bar in the previous command, but how do I replace ALL occurences of foo by bar ? |
| 07:42.45 | resmo | somiaj, didn't want to do it manually if it is not necessary |
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| 07:43.10 | somiaj | resmo: I don't know of any tools just to add one...I'm a manually person for a single line |
| 07:43.31 | somiaj | resmo: really all you ahve to do is change a line from current.mirror.org to new.mirror.org |
| 07:43.52 | resmo | somiaj, i do not have any mirrors in it because network was down during installation |
| 07:45.17 | Shadur | ... Holy crap. libc6 update just broke... Apparently, everything. |
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| 07:46.27 | somiaj | Shadur: welcome to a few hours ago. It just removed the /lib64 -> /lib link which if you recate the link should fix it. |
| 07:46.40 | somiaj | Shadur: its already been fixed, just waiting for the packages to propagate though the mirrors |
| 07:46.50 | somiaj | Shadur: check the bts for more info |
| 07:47.13 | Shadur | Thanks. |
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| 07:47.25 | somiaj | resmo: google "debian sources.list" first link is a generator, answer some questions, it generates you a file, copy it to sources.list |
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| 07:47.37 | Shadur | I'll fix it when I get home, as I was using sudo for apt-get upgrade. |
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| 07:47.59 | resmo | somiaj, nice, thx |
| 07:48.06 | somiaj | Shadur: you may need a recovery cd/boot, though as I sad the bts showed a method you can do without it...its not as simple as recovery tools |
| 07:48.12 | Shadur | Speaking of bugfixes propagated, any idea what the latest on the udev and /run issue is? |
| 07:48.19 | Shadur | somiaj: I've got one at home, thankfully. |
| 07:48.33 | somiaj | Shadur: don't know the issue, if its a known bug, the latest should be in the bug report |
| 07:49.05 | Shadur | It's the one in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=622309 |
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| 07:50.32 | LoneTech | okay, this was not the smoothest libc6 upgrade. it replaced my ld-linux.so.2 with one of the wrong architecture. |
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| 07:51.42 | LoneTech | now I need to figure out how to get root while su and sudo can't link. |
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| 07:53.01 | somiaj | LoneTech: a recovery cd, and then mount your drive and fix it that way with the right files will be easiest. |
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| 07:53.23 | LoneTech | probably. too bad I don't have one here. |
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| 07:54.16 | somiaj | LoneTech: do you have the install cd/thumbdrive still? |
| 07:54.40 | LoneTech | possibly, but it was a long time since I used it, and it's not here |
| 07:55.27 | LoneTech | fwiw, the dangerous package appears to be libc6_2.13-3_amd64.deb |
| 07:55.40 | LoneTech | or maybe its libc6-i386 counterpart |
| 07:55.45 | somiaj | LoneTech: oh that, no |
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| 07:55.58 | somiaj | LoneTech: there is a small problem where the /lib64 -> /lib link was removed. |
| 07:56.00 | Pupeno_ | Where do you put scripts you use for system administration on a machine? I have a script to download (and backup) s3 buckets, where should it go? |
| 07:56.19 | somiaj | LoneTech: check the bts, its already been figured out and fixed. -- I thought you did something different when you said you installed it with the wrong arch linker. |
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| 07:57.02 | LoneTech | I did a perfectly ordinary apt upgrade. |
| 07:57.16 | LoneTech | and everything in the system started going file not found |
| 07:57.19 | simonlnu | Pupeno_: /usr/local/bin or /usr/local/sbin or ~/bin if it's just one user |
| 07:57.20 | somiaj | LoneTech: yea but that isn't what you said. Just replace that link, you'll be fine |
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| 07:57.54 | LoneTech | killing a system to the point it can't shutdown isn't exactly a small problem |
| 07:58.04 | LoneTech | since the linker isn't there, su doesn't work |
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| 07:58.37 | somiaj | LoneTech: check the BTS for libc6, it tells you how to fix it. It even has a tricky solution if you don't want to make a recovery cd |
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| 08:00.30 | Raptors | Setting up libc-bin (2.13-3) ... |
| 08:00.31 | somiaj | LoneTech: bugs.debian.org/626450 |
| 08:00.36 | Raptors | dpkg: error while cleaning up: |
| 08:00.36 | dpkg | Raptors: i haven't a clue |
| 08:00.36 | Raptors | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.36 | Raptors | Could not exec dpkg! |
| 08:00.42 | Raptors | I think that destroyed my system |
| 08:00.42 | somiaj | resmo: check the bug report I just linked. |
| 08:00.48 | somiaj | Raptors: ^^ |
| 08:00.59 | Raptors | Same bug? |
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| 08:01.07 | somiaj | Raptors: its just a missing link, you'll have to fix it. Best bet is to have a livecd of some sort |
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| 08:01.37 | somiaj | Raptors: yes, libc6 2.13-3 has a grave bug in it, its already been fixed, just waiting for 2.13-4 to hit the mirrors |
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| 08:01.49 | Raptors | ugh |
| 08:01.53 | Raptors | I shouldn't of upgraded |
| 08:02.11 | LoneTech | I'd already have fixed that link if I had a root shell ready. is there any way to launch a command from aptitude? |
| 08:02.11 | somiaj | well you are running sid -- you should be prepared for such things |
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| 08:02.35 | somiaj | LoneTech: did you read the bug report, there is away to do it without a livecd -- but you will have to reboot |
| 08:03.08 | Raptors | ugh |
| 08:03.11 | LoneTech | yeah. unclean shutdown, great. |
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| 08:03.39 | LoneTech | thanks for helping, really. the issue just put me in a sore mood. |
| 08:03.46 | somiaj | LoneTech: Well you are running an unstable system. |
| 08:04.12 | somiaj | LoneTech: I've enjoyed it myself, been fun seeing how much I can do with no ability to execute binaries..:D |
| 08:04.12 | LoneTech | clearly |
| 08:04.26 | LoneTech | I can execute binaries, just not suid ones |
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| 08:05.26 | Raptors | LoneTech, you can execute binaries? |
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| 08:05.29 | Raptors | I can't do shit |
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| 08:06.06 | gentoo_drummer | hello everyone.. after installing xfce on my base debian system, for some odd reason when i click on the synaptic manager icon nothing happens.. any ideas? |
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| 08:06.17 | Raptors | somiaj, what is the command to add the syslink? |
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| 08:06.33 | somiaj | Raptors: ln -fs /lib /lib64 |
| 08:07.27 | LoneTech | Raptors: find the binary (type can help), then run /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 full-path-to-binary |
| 08:07.33 | gentoo_drummer | anyone? |
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| 08:08.04 | LoneTech | so /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 /bin/ln -fs /lib /lib64 |
| 08:08.39 | somiaj | provided you have a root shell, which some of us are missing...but thanks LoneTech I can now run stuff |
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| 08:10.05 | LoneTech | yeah, I'm among those missing one. so I'd have liked to see bug 626459 preemptively fixed ;) |
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| 08:10.39 | somiaj | LoneTech: hmm, seems I can just run su, but I forgot my root password...:/ |
| 08:10.52 | somiaj | (haven't used it since I installed the system) |
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| 08:11.26 | sephii | gentoo_drummer: Try to launch it from a command line and check the output |
| 08:11.26 | LoneTech | running su that way won't give it root access, so it can't read your shadow file. |
| 08:11.27 | Raptors | somiaj, how cna you use su? |
| 08:11.34 | LoneTech | nor can it switch user |
| 08:11.39 | somiaj | Raptors: /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 /bin/su -- it then asks for a password. |
| 08:11.48 | sephii | gentoo_drummer: Maybe it's trying to call a missing bin like gksu or something like that |
| 08:12.08 | Raptors | su: Authentication failure |
| 08:12.30 | somiaj | ahh even get that if you know your password, I thought it was because I didn' tknow my password. :D |
| 08:12.31 | Raptors | it doesn't work even with the right pass |
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| 08:17.09 | LoneTech | brb, rebooting to fix this |
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| 08:24.33 | LoneTech | back |
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| 08:25.13 | sephii | LoneTech: did it work ? |
| 08:26.45 | LoneTech | the break=init trick, yes (though I had to mount proc to get the remount to work) |
| 08:27.17 | sephii | LoneTech: couldn't you also boot in single user mode and change the root password ? |
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| 08:27.31 | LoneTech | next it appears my video driver also broke further |
| 08:27.45 | LoneTech | sephii: no, because most things including the shell are dynamically linked. |
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| 08:28.22 | somiaj | LoneTech: I don't think that will work for me, I don't have initramfs compiled in my kernel. |
| 08:28.27 | LoneTech | if you have busybox-static, sash or similar you could use that instead of init |
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| 08:37.39 | Derick | hi! |
| 08:38.12 | Derick | I seem to have hit a bit of a massive problem whtn just doing "apt-get dist-upgrade" on unstable |
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| 08:38.26 | Derick | glibc seems to have disappeared :-/ |
| 08:38.55 | Derick | is there a static version of apt-get somewhere? |
| 08:38.57 | LoneTech | not glibc, but /lib64 |
| 08:39.01 | Derick | and dpkg |
| 08:39.05 | Derick | LoneTech: i never had a lib64... |
| 08:39.10 | Derick | or did I? |
| 08:39.16 | LoneTech | if you have a root shell, try: /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 /bin/ln -fs /lib /lib64 |
| 08:39.16 | Derick | is this a known issue? |
| 08:39.18 | Shadur | Derick: Everything, because there's a link to /lib missing |
| 08:39.45 | LoneTech | hm, maybe the -f shouldn't be there. |
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| 08:40.42 | Derick | woo |
| 08:40.45 | Derick | that worked |
| 08:40.48 | Derick | thanks! |
| 08:40.59 | LoneTech | glad to help |
| 08:41.14 | Derick | any idea why this happened, and wither I can run apt-get dist-upgrade again? |
| 08:42.18 | somiaj | Derick: bad package, just wait until 2.13-4 is available and install that, and fix what ever else didn't install right |
| 08:42.29 | LoneTech | it's a bug in the libc6 2.13-3 package, affecting the amd64 architecture. should be fixed in 2.13-4, and you can probably safely run apt now |
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| 08:43.17 | Derick | ah well, that's what I get for running unstable. It's been fine for a decade almost :) |
| 08:43.34 | LoneTech | yep, it's just one of those rare system-disabling bugs |
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| 08:44.09 | Derick | my apt doesn't have 2.13-4 yet |
| 08:44.11 | Derick | but I can wait |
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| 08:45.08 | Derick | seems like X has an issue with this memcpy thing too |
| 08:45.29 | Derick | i am seeing artifacts when I use keyboard shortcuts to move terminal windows |
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| 08:49.30 | hanibana | Hi. I have a live Debian Lenny system with the main hard drive /dev/cciss/c0d0 where c0d0p2 is my slash(/) filesystem. I have a second hard disk, /dev/cciss/c0d2 where c0d2p1 is its / filesystem. I want to install grub on the second disk. Note I want to use this hard disk on another server as my first BIOS device, where the device will be /dev/cciss/c0d0. How should I use grub-install for this purpose safely? |
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| 09:18.24 | mah454 | How can i set default "syntax on" in vim ? |
| 09:18.58 | Derick | echo ":syntax on" >> ~/.vimrc |
| 09:19.08 | Derick | in the .vimrc you can set default options |
| 09:20.01 | ryx_ | hi, on my new testing amd64 install, keyboard/mouse dont work in X, I need to sysrq-unraw to return to the console. Graphics card is intel (cpu i5-480). |
| 09:20.16 | ryx_ | any ideas on what I could try? |
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| 09:21.36 | gentoo_drummer | hi all.. can someone tell me how to install debian testing from a usb stick? |
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| 09:23.04 | deeLer | damn, i just broke my sid box i guess, libc6 is gone ... HELP HELP : http://pastebin.com/QQyiVh5z |
| 09:23.29 | deeLer | any suggestions, can't execute any commands anymore |
| 09:23.38 | deeLer | ? |
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| 09:25.12 | gentoo_drummer | i used the installer and it installed squeeze by default? |
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| 09:25.52 | ryx_ | deeLer: I'm no expert, but you might have busybox which usually doesn't need any libs |
| 09:26.13 | deeLer | bash: /bin/busybox: No such file or directory |
| 09:26.25 | deeLer | sh*t |
| 09:26.34 | gentoo_drummer | how can i install wheezy? |
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| 09:26.58 | gnarface | gentoo_drummer: my advice to you is to always install stable, then upgrade to testing afterwards, then if you want upgrade to unstable after that. the testing and unstable installers kinda suck |
| 09:27.01 | ceyusa | hi, I'm in panic mode: my lap use testing and after update libc everything is f*ckd up |
| 09:27.12 | deeLer | gentoo_drummer: install sid, and then change your apt repository |
| 09:27.35 | gnarface | ceyusa: been hearing this lately. i think something went wrong |
| 09:27.36 | deeLer | hey ceyusa ........ same here, just 10 mins ago !!! |
| 09:27.41 | deeLer | sid's broke ! |
| 09:27.42 | ceyusa | :D |
| 09:27.44 | gentoo_drummer | erm.. just need to know if i can just use testing from the installer |
| 09:27.59 | gentoo_drummer | whats the point of installing stable, if testing is what ill be using anyway |
| 09:28.15 | gnarface | cause the stable installer works better than the testing installer |
| 09:28.20 | gentoo_drummer | ok |
| 09:28.32 | deeLer | go for sid gentoo_drummer , but wait till tomorrow :-p |
| 09:28.33 | gentoo_drummer | nevertheless, how can i do it with the testing installer? |
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| 09:28.56 | gnarface | gentoo_drummer: same way you did it with the squeeze installer, but download the testing installer instead... |
| 09:28.57 | ceyusa | mmmhh... there's most be a trick for fix that... maybe boot with a live cd and do something |
| 09:29.20 | deeLer | ceyusa: reboot, halt, or even runlevel is not even working here |
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| 09:29.32 | ryx_ | ceyusa: be aware that you can't chroot into the system unless you have a shell that doesn't need libc |
| 09:29.35 | deeLer | i think of chrooting it and |
| 09:29.46 | deeLer | ... indeed tyx |
| 09:29.48 | deeLer | :-p |
| 09:29.56 | gentoo_drummer | gnarface, theyre all 6.0 http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 09:30.46 | ryx_ | once my wonderful friendly software-raid truncated my libc6 on power loss... |
| 09:30.48 | gnarface | gentoo_drummer: i forget where they hide it |
| 09:30.53 | gentoo_drummer | lol |
| 09:30.59 | ceyusa | ryx_: yes, but try to fix it with out chrooting |
| 09:31.17 | deeLer | you'll need a knoppix or something ceyusa |
| 09:31.21 | deeLer | so will I |
| 09:31.33 | ryx_ | I'd say get a grml and dd it onto a usb-stick |
| 09:32.04 | LoneTech | deeler: if you have a root shell, try: /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 /bin/ln -s /lib /lib64 |
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| 09:32.44 | deeLer | My god LoneTech , LIFESAVER ! |
| 09:32.46 | deeLer | thanks man |
| 09:33.07 | deeLer | where do i go from here, run apt-get upgrade again ? |
| 09:33.34 | steampunkey | hey. i installed debian from an old Lenny CD, set it to pull from the net. I'm trying to update to squeeze now, but aptitude warns about broken packages (among others, gnome-desktop environment, which is why it also wants to remove gnome-mount and other things D-:) can you help me? |
| 09:34.17 | LoneTech | deeLer: you can probably finish running apt, yes. at least for me it didn't repeat the breakage, which occurs on upgrading to libc6 2.13-3 and should be fixed in 2.13-4 |
| 09:34.27 | deeLer | steampunkey: been there, done that, you might wanna use apt-get upgrade and then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 09:34.29 | gnarface | steampunkey: lenny dead. download squeeze cd now |
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| 09:35.12 | steampunkey | gnarface: are you trying to say i can't update to squeeze? |
| 09:35.27 | LoneTech | the libc6 bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=626450 ... there's a workaround involving a reboot there if you have the usual initrd. |
| 09:35.35 | deeLer | LoneTech: doing as u told right now ... *fingers crossed* |
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| 09:36.00 | gnarface | no you should try deeLer[s suggestion first, but you should backup your data first |
| 09:36.20 | gentoo_drummer | guys, are you certain that there is a testing netinstall method? |
| 09:36.28 | gentoo_drummer | i cant find it anywhere |
| 09:36.43 | ryx_ | btw, any ideas on the X keyboard breakage I have? |
| 09:36.45 | steampunkey | gnarface: it's ok, no data on this partition worth saving. my sid/experimental just panicked, that's why i'm installing this. |
| 09:36.46 | deeLer | LoneTech: i'm actually printing out the link you have , might come in hand some other time |
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| 09:37.12 | deeLer | yes yes: apt-get finished succesfully |
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| 09:37.24 | deeLer | LoneTech for the win |
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| 09:38.06 | LoneTech | heh. I didn't have a root shell, so that trick didn't help me. |
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| 09:38.36 | deeLer | I was fortunate to have rootshell AND irc client , hehe |
| 09:38.54 | gnarface | gentoo_drummer: just install a minimal squeeze install then upgrade. the testing cd, even if you can find it, is unlikely to work |
| 09:39.08 | LoneTech | somiaj helped me |
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| 09:39.59 | ceyusa | deeLer: lucky you... I don't have a rootshell |
| 09:40.00 | ceyusa | :( |
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| 09:40.11 | ragnar76 | hi all. i'm using gnome at wheezy abd i made an update yesterday and now, as a normal user, i can not mount my external hdd. gnome tells me "Not Authorized" what could be wrong? |
| 09:40.18 | ceyusa | LoneTech: thanks for the link! |
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| 09:40.33 | ceyusa | I gonna do that... wish me luck |
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| 09:40.37 | deeLer | ceyusa: You'll have to chroot with a boot cd, maybe LoneTech's line is all you'll need then |
| 09:40.46 | LoneTech | just spread those two tips as helpful |
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| 09:41.01 | LoneTech | deeLer: no need to chroot. just mount and make the symlink. |
| 09:41.04 | rightnow | Im trying to install Debian on my computer. But my USB memory doesnt fit next to the keyboard connector. Anyone know how to remove the sides of the motorhome? |
| 09:42.34 | deeLer | motorhome? |
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| 09:43.23 | Raptors | How do I link /lib64 /lib from live CD? |
| 09:43.27 | Raptors | chroot into the system? |
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| 09:43.52 | themill | Raptors: http://bugs.debian.org/626457 |
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| 09:46.20 | aidan | Some muppet created a C:\xamp\tmp folder on my server, how do I delete it? |
| 09:46.58 | aidan | $ rm "C:\\storedtech\\xampp\\tmp" rm: cannot remove |
| 09:47.34 | deeLer | aidan: use backslashes before the colon |
| 09:48.01 | ectospasm | I'm having some problems with tab completion in Debian. When I type "cp ~us^I" I expect it to complete to "cp /home/user/". It has worked for me in Ubuntu (and Gentoo and Slackware, IIRC), but not in Debian. If I type "cp ~user^I" it works as expected, but that defeats the purpose of tab completion |
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| 09:49.06 | ceyusa | yuhu!!! |
| 09:49.11 | ectospasm | I think the _expand() function is where I need to focus, and make sure that _filedir() or _file_xspec() properly call _expand (all in /etc/bash_completion), but I can't seem to figure out why this fails. |
| 09:49.11 | ceyusa | it worked!!! |
| 09:49.36 | deeLer | nice ceyusa |
| 09:49.42 | ceyusa | thanks!!! |
| 09:49.46 | ceyusa | thanks deeLer |
| 09:49.56 | deeLer | nono , thans LoneTech |
| 09:50.00 | Raptors | themill: what is the point of cding into /usr and doing it agian? |
| 09:50.04 | Raptors | it says it exists |
| 09:50.05 | ceyusa | deeLer: true |
| 09:50.10 | Raptors | after I did it in /lib |
| 09:50.11 | ceyusa | thanks LoneTech !!!! |
| 09:50.48 | aidan | deeLer: nope, rm "C\\:\\storedtech\\xampp\\tmp" rm: cannot remove |
| 09:51.06 | deeLer | use one backslash before : |
| 09:51.38 | aidan | samme |
| 09:51.49 | deeLer | something completely different: any tips how to speed up an 'rm' on a folderhm |
| 09:51.50 | themill | Raptors: those exact instructions look a little stupid, actually. You need to something similar to that, not exactly the same. |
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| 09:52.05 | LoneTech | Raptors: mount the root filesystem, then run ln -s lib /mountpoint/lib64 |
| 09:52.21 | deeLer | brb |
| 09:52.22 | themill | aidan: tab completion ftw |
| 09:52.29 | wols | deeLer: using another filesystem :P |
| 09:52.52 | deeLer | ext4 no good for that? |
| 09:53.43 | ectospasm | if I type "~us^I" it does complete to "/home/user/", but it fails whenever there's a leading command |
| 09:53.44 | wols | should be fine. it's just that some filesystems take a long time to delete for some reason. e.g. I once ran xfs with a ATA PIO mode disk. anytime I deleted a file 700MB or bigger, the Samba share timed out since it took so long |
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| 09:54.06 | wols | deeLer: usually ext* is fairly fast in deleting, or at least not so slow |
| 09:54.21 | gnarface | deeLer: depends largely on the average size of your files. for very large ones xfs does very well and reiserfs does very poorly. ext3 is a very good middle ground in general |
| 09:54.23 | deeLer | k |
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| 09:54.36 | themill | ectospasm: that's a known bug in bash-completion |
| 09:54.42 | wols | gnarface: see my above experience of xfs in that regard |
| 09:55.01 | gnarface | wols: noted. there are some recent kernel issues with xfs i've heard |
| 09:55.02 | ectospasm | themill: Ah, OK |
| 09:55.02 | wols | gnarface: however, it got better when I used a 2.5 kernel then (yes it's that long ago) |
| 09:55.08 | ectospasm | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.12 | wols | mine weren't recent :P |
| 09:55.44 | themill | ectospasm: as in, it's a known bug in squeeze's version of the bash-completion package. If you don't load bash-completion, you won't experience it. If you're using other versions, you won't experience it. |
| 09:56.03 | ectospasm | themill: OK |
| 09:56.08 | ectospasm | themill: thanks |
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| 10:06.24 | aidan | themill: doesn't work |
| 10:06.34 | aidan | themill: after C: it just flashes |
| 10:06.41 | aidan | I used an SFTP program |
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| 10:08.08 | Ztripez | I decided to switch to Debian 6 when one of my disk hade a critical breakdown on my Ubuntu fileserver. Since it's the second time in 3 month a disk breaks down for me i decied to setup a soft RAID 1 with mdadm and since I have a healthy paranoia the whole system is encrypted with Luks. A layout of the current disc setup is found here: http://picpaste.com/pics/Fatbertha-Disc-setup-hhbSwiIH.1305193962.jpg. The install went just fine until the |
| 10:08.09 | Ztripez | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.09 | Ztripez | on't even get a grub> promt on boot. It only stucks. Please help :| |
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| 10:10.20 | zxd_ | hi |
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| 10:12.11 | mah454 | How i can install gnome3 in debian |
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| 10:16.36 | Kull | Go to the Gnome website. |
| 10:16.40 | Kull | Read. |
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| 10:18.39 | Kull | Ztripez: try unplugging the UBS drive, somone just the other day was having similar problems and it was related to the UBS drive being plugged in at boot. Perhaps a udev or hal thing, not sure to be honest. |
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| 10:19.32 | nikhatzi | hello everybody. i own a dedicated server running debian 6, and i have a problem. I can't issue the 'mysql' command, i always get error 1045 for any user. any idea? |
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| 10:20.05 | ZtripezLaptop | Kull, oh i'll wil try that. Thanks. |
| 10:20.08 | ectospasm | themill: thanks, I was able to fix it by installing the latest stable bash-completion from source. |
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| 10:21.11 | creichen | Hi! I appear to have broken one of my systems by upgrading my sid installation to the latest libc offered: `/sbin/init not found'. I assume that I'm not the only one affected. Has anyone figured out exactly what it is that's causing these observations (i.e., what libraries I need to revert to recover)? |
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| 10:22.22 | ZtripezLaptop | Kull, I'm booting from the USB would that not be a problem? The server has no CD/DVD |
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| 10:24.02 | WiZ | if it's your boot drive, unplugging isn't the best idea, ZtripezLaptop :) |
| 10:25.35 | ZtripezLaptop | WiZ, any ideas? |
| 10:25.56 | zxd_ | update-initramfs script totally ignores what I put in the header of scripts |
| 10:26.31 | WiZ | I missed the original question, ZtripezLaptop - what's the problem with your usb drive? |
| 10:27.12 | Ztripez | WiZ, I decided to switch to Debian 6 when one of my disk hade a critical breakdown on my Ubuntu fileserver. Since it's the second time in 3 month a disk breaks down for me i decied to setup a soft RAID 1 with mdadm and since I have a healthy paranoia the whole system is encrypted with Luks. A layout of the current disc setup is found here: http://picpaste.com/pics/Fatbertha-Disc-setup-hhbSwiIH.1305193962.jpg. The install went just fine unti |
| 10:27.12 | Ztripez | l the very last when GRUB was about to be installed. I tried to boot up in rescue mode from a USB stick created with Universal USB Installer on Windows 7 and install it manualy. But when i do a grub-install /dev/sda i get "grub-probe: unknown filesystem". I spent the whole night with Google-Fu and all i could find is old bug-reports from Jan-2010 and the only info was that it was a bug in GRUB 2 with softraid deviced and the bug was resolve |
| 10:27.13 | Ztripez | d.I don't even get a grub> promt on boot. It only stucks. |
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| 10:28.33 | ZtripezLaptop | Hm.. i think i have an old PATA-DVD somewhere.. perhaps i can get it to work |
| 10:28.37 | WiZ | ahhhh - basically you want to fix grub on an internal disk while booting from a live USB |
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| 10:29.25 | ironm | good afternoon - does a debian xen live iso image for dom0 exist? (to boot e.g. from the USB-stick with configs for guest dom[1-9] domains) - thank you in advance for any hints |
| 10:29.33 | WiZ | to fix grub you will need to chroot into the install on the internal disk - then reinstall grub, and do a sudo update-grub |
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| 10:30.01 | ZtripezLaptop | WiZ, yeap, already tried it from debian - rescue |
| 10:30.42 | WiZ | you tried chrooting into the installed version and then doing the grub install? |
| 10:31.19 | ZtripezLaptop | yes the sda5 was mounted on / and sda1 on /boot |
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| 10:32.17 | WiZ | hmmm that's strange as that method has always worked for me |
| 10:32.27 | ZtripezLaptop | so there is nothing wrong with the disks or the installation.. only grub |
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| 10:32.33 | ZtripezLaptop | Will|, yeah me to ;P |
| 10:33.11 | ZtripezLaptop | but i will try to boot from a cd instead and remove the usb stick.. installing the drive now |
| 10:34.12 | WiZ | one other way is to get to grub prompt from the boot cd or usb and manually boot into the the hdd |
| 10:34.38 | WiZ | and then reinstall grub and do sudo-update grub |
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| 10:35.20 | ZtripezLaptop | WiZ, yeah, will have to try that if the DVD tip dosn't work |
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| 10:39.02 | morsik | hi, |
| 10:39.10 | morsik | in which package i can find saslauthd? |
| 10:42.38 | morsik | ok... finally found in sasl2-bin |
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| 10:44.31 | steampunkey | did upgrade before dist-upgrade like someone suggested (sorry, i don't have a log, so i can't remember who exactly), but i still get broken packages. gnome isn't bronken now, but these packages are: http://pastebin.com/g6Yw5cXn |
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| 10:46.03 | jpalecek | try fixing it with aptitude. It lets you inspect various solutions |
| 10:46.14 | steampunkey | jpalecek: that's what aptitude said |
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| 10:46.36 | steampunkey | it also wants to remove these: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=23cChsQc :-( |
| 10:47.07 | steampunkey | (update-manager and gnome-utils seem problematic) |
| 10:47.14 | steampunkey | i could be wrong tho |
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| 10:47.49 | steampunkey | actually, it does want to remove gnome metapackage |
| 10:47.58 | jpalecek | why does it want to remove them? what are the broken dependencies? |
| 10:48.26 | ZtripezLaptop | WiZ, hm.. this is weird.. when i try to boot from the dvd all i get a is a flashing marker... until i eject the dvd.. then the ISOLINUX bla bla shows up and a IO error (since i ejected the dvd) but if idon't nothing at all happends |
| 10:48.30 | steampunkey | it says these would be left unresolved: libnautilus-burn4 recommends gnome-mount |
| 10:48.34 | steampunkey | is that what you asked? |
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| 10:49.28 | jpalecek | no, that means aptitude wouldn't install gnome-mount even though it otherwise would. No breakage here. |
| 10:50.25 | jpalecek | run aptitude in TUI, press "e", reject the removals you don't like with "r" and find more solutions with "," |
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| 10:51.17 | steampunkey | jpalecek: never used the TUI. i don't think E did anything |
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| 10:52.31 | WiZ | seems like the lens or the dvd is dirty or damaged |
| 10:52.39 | steampunkey | it shouldn't be broken darnit -_- |
| 10:53.01 | jpalecek | steampunkey: you pressed e and nothing happened? strange |
| 10:53.12 | steampunkey | jpalecek: nothing at all |
| 10:53.22 | jpalecek | it shouldn't be broken, but apparently, it is :) |
| 10:53.31 | steampunkey | jpalecek: well the cursor went to the menu i think |
| 10:53.47 | steampunkey | but that's all |
| 10:54.08 | steampunkey | it appeared in the upper right corner to be exact |
| 10:54.19 | steampunkey | *left |
| 10:54.49 | steampunkey | aaaaaaaaaa |
| 10:55.03 | WiZ | ZtripezLaptop: seems like the lens or the dvd is dirty or damaged |
| 10:55.08 | steampunkey | that's an "argh" kinda a, not the "aah" kind |
| 10:56.34 | steampunkey | "aah" = "oh" |
| 10:56.37 | jpalecek | did you see a red line at the bottom showing there are broken packages? |
| 10:57.00 | steampunkey | jpalecek: i saw no red things |
| 10:57.54 | ZtripezLaptop | WiZ, yeah perhaps.. damn it. tried to switch ide cable didn't help |
| 10:57.55 | steampunkey | jpalecek: just to be sure we're on the same page: upgrade went through fine. it's dist-upgrade that complains |
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| 10:59.04 | jpalecek | OK. so run the dist-upgrade, then when you are at the prompt to delete your packages, press ? and select the option to inspect in visual environment. Don't know the key for that option now. |
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| 11:01.17 | steampunkey | jpalecek: now i see the red thingy |
| 11:01.25 | nviror | How much memory does phpmyadmin use? |
| 11:01.52 | armnotstrong | hi, any one who have used blueman,a software to connect bluetooth device? |
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| 11:03.38 | ZtripezLaptop | WiZ, i think i got it to work.. in pure desperation i unplugged the raid disks, booted in rescue mode from usb stick. open a terminal. mounted the sda5 on root and sda1 on boot and did a grub install.. no error. |
| 11:03.42 | ectospasm | armnotstrong: I've had trouble connecting my Bluetooth mouse in Debian. Same exact hardware worked fine in Ubuntu 10.10 |
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| 11:04.01 | ZtripezLaptop | oh i and i unplugged the usb stick when i got the termnal up |
| 11:04.11 | WiZ | cool |
| 11:04.34 | WiZ | now just sudo update-grub and sudo reboot |
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| 11:05.48 | armnotstrong | ectospasm:my debian testing with bluetooth mouse worked just fine |
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| 11:05.54 | steampunkey | jpalecek: so what happens if i reject all removals? o.O |
| 11:06.09 | ectospasm | armnotstrong: yeah, I'm not sure I want to move to testing just yet. |
| 11:06.16 | ectospasm | I just installed squeeze on everything |
| 11:06.52 | ZtripezLaptop | whoho. i think i've never been that happy looking at a grub promt before. lol.. ok so now i have a grub promt not menu.. i can work with this haha |
| 11:07.03 | armnotstrong | ectospasm: what do u mean by 'everything'? |
| 11:08.24 | WiZ | grub prompt - did you do a sudo update-grub before rebooting? |
| 11:08.30 | LoneTech | creichen: if you have a root shell, try: /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 /bin/ln -s /lib /lib64 |
| 11:08.46 | ZtripezLaptop | WiZ, no i was to exited i reboot.. haha.. fixing now |
| 11:08.52 | WiZ | lol |
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| 11:09.22 | LoneTech | the libc6 bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=626450 ... there's a workaround involving a reboot there if you have the usual initrd. |
| 11:09.27 | armnotstrong | ectospasm: I want to connect my mobile device via blueman, so that my device can connect to the internet via my pc |
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| 11:13.25 | ZtripezLaptop | hm.. it have install grub 0.97.. would there bee no problem to just install grub2 from apt? |
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| 11:14.14 | WiZ | you can do that |
| 11:15.55 | jpalecek | steampunkey: it tries to find a solution without the removals, if that exists. That might involve leaving some packages from sarge, you decide. |
| 11:15.57 | babilen | creichen: You seem to be a sid user and might be interested in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net which is a channel dedicated to wheezy/sid users. |
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| 11:18.01 | LoneTech | babilen: thanks for the tip. |
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| 11:19.11 | babilen | LoneTech: No problem, also see the channel /topic :) |
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| 11:21.02 | ZtripezLaptop | WiZ, it works! ;D now i just need to upgrade to grub 2 and setup my crypttab for my raid deviced.. happy :D |
| 11:21.30 | creichen | LoneTech: thank you, that did the trick! :-) |
| 11:21.42 | WiZ | cool ZtripezLaptop |
| 11:22.00 | steampunkey | jpalecek: thx for trying to help |
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| 11:22.35 | creichen | babilen: thanks! |
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| 11:24.05 | babilen | creichen: Yeah, no problem. We try to cater to the needs of users like you and created a new channel. Please also make sure that you have apt-listbugs installed, as this would (most likely) have prevented you to run into this bug. You are welcome to idle in #debian-next and/or help people. Have a nice day! |
| 11:24.13 | jpalecek | I discovered packages can't be build from paths with embedded spaces, because quilt passes some paths unquoted. I thought this crap was fixed, or not? |
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| 11:25.43 | frankie4 | babilen, just wanted to say my problems yesterday were from the hidden flag bring set on the ntfs partitions meaning neither windows would boot nor Linux see them. removing tbhis solved everything |
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| 11:29.19 | Prajwal | there is some problem with my desktop |
| 11:29.28 | Prajwal | right click change desktop background doesnt work |
| 11:30.08 | ryx_ | I'm having trouble getting my keyboard and mouse to work in X |
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| 11:30.58 | ryx_ | already managed to get some keyboard by manually installing xserver-xorg-input-kbd and configuring it in xorg.conf |
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| 11:31.40 | ryx_ | I think somehow evdev is broken here. Do I need some package I'm missing? udev and hal are installed, as is xserver-xorg-input-evdev |
| 11:31.53 | Prajwal | right click change desktop background doesnt work on my squeeze |
| 11:32.45 | ryx_ | (and I meant touchpad, not mouse) |
| 11:32.55 | babilen | frankie4: Ok, is this a NTFS specific flag? |
| 11:33.32 | WiZ | hidden flag is os independent |
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| 11:34.00 | babilen | Ah, the "hidden flag" no a flag that is hidden :-) |
| 11:34.00 | WiZ | similar to boot flag on a partition |
| 11:34.13 | babilen | gets more coffee |
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| 11:35.06 | frankie4 | babilen not sure, I was researching and someone commented about partitions so installed gparted and there it was and things just club |
| 11:35.24 | WiZ | :) |
| 11:35.24 | frankie4 | clicked not club damnit! |
| 11:35.35 | neurolysis | Hi -- question, I'm wanting to switch one of my servers over to Debian. In the past, I've always just gone for the standard install CD and removed X. Is there a more 'lightweight' CD which only contains core packages needed to run the system? |
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| 11:36.45 | babilen | neurolysis: You don't have to install the "desktop" task during the install which will give you a system without X and Gnome. I would recommend to install the "standard" task though ... |
| 11:36.59 | frankie4 | on phone again as debian is refusing to allow USB tether while I install wifi drivers |
| 11:37.06 | themill | neurolysis: the debian installer only installs the packages you ask it to. (you should ask for the "standard" task and that's probably it) |
| 11:37.07 | babilen | neurolysis: If you have a working (wired) network connection you probably want to use the netinstall images |
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| 11:37.32 | babilen | !tell neurolysis -about netinst |
| 11:37.37 | babilen | !tell neurolysis -about installer firmware |
| 11:37.42 | babilen | !tell neurolysis -about firmware images |
| 11:37.47 | neurolysis | Yeah, I know |
| 11:37.51 | neurolysis | I already have the netinst image |
| 11:38.09 | neurolysis | But the 'standard' group seems to contain more than is necessary for most people |
| 11:38.13 | babilen | neurolysis: Ah, sorry for the spam then. Just don't install the desktop task and everything should be as you want it to. |
| 11:38.18 | Raptors | [09:52] <LoneTech> Raptors: mount the root filesystem, then run ln -s lib /mountpoint/lib64 |
| 11:38.29 | Raptors | do I cd into the mountpoint firsT? |
| 11:38.29 | neurolysis | i guess i can just remove it with aptitude after. |
| 11:38.31 | neurolysis | thanks! |
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| 11:38.38 | Raptors | so it odens't link ubuntu lib |
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| 11:38.59 | Prajwal | right click change desktop background doesnt work on my squeeze |
| 11:38.59 | themill | neurolysis: there's no need to remove stuff afterwards -- just don't install it to begin with |
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| 11:39.02 | Prajwal | please help |
| 11:39.07 | babilen | Raptors: You would chroot into the system first -- /msg dpkg fixmbr -- for the details. |
| 11:39.59 | babilen | Raptors: Also note that there is a new channel (#debian-next on irc.oftc.net) dedicated to wheezy/sid users. |
| 11:40.03 | frankie4 | strange problem, USB tethering works on 32 bit lxde, but not 64 |
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| 11:40.36 | LoneTech | Raptors: no, ln -s always uses a name relative to the new link. |
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| 11:42.57 | Chotaz-Work | dkr, ya there? |
| 11:43.21 | Prajwal | please help |
| 11:43.24 | Prajwal | right click change desktop background doesnt work on my squeeze |
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| 11:45.55 | Chotaz-Work | Is there a way to completly backup the user accounts on one debian machine and restore them on another. |
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| 11:47.14 | joltcan | Chotaz-Work: rsync /home from one system to the other? |
| 11:47.27 | project2501a | Chotaz-Work: cp /etc/passwd ? |
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| 11:48.12 | joltcan | Good ccall |
| 11:48.13 | Chotaz-Work | what about /shadow? |
| 11:48.30 | joltcan | Chotaz-Work: that too, and /etc/groups |
| 11:48.50 | Chotaz-Work | hum i read on taring files and tried this |
| 11:48.57 | Chotaz-Work | tar -zcpf backup.tgz /home /etc/passwd /etc/shadow /etc/groups |
| 11:49.05 | Chotaz-Work | tar -zcpf backup.tgz /home /etc/passwd /etc/shadow |
| 11:49.05 | project2501a | "you read on tarring files" huh? |
| 11:49.07 | project2501a | what do you mean? |
| 11:49.17 | Chotaz-Work | on how to use tar |
| 11:49.26 | project2501a | where did you read that from? |
| 11:49.30 | project2501a | please tell me "unix power tools" |
| 11:49.36 | WiZ | lol |
| 11:49.56 | Chotaz-Work | http://www.cs.duke.edu/~ola/courses/programming/tar.html |
| 11:50.06 | project2501a | bad Chotaz-Work ! |
| 11:50.08 | Raptors | wait I have to chroot into the system? :/ |
| 11:50.14 | joltcan | Last modified: Wed Jan 21 13:49:40 EST 1998 |
| 11:50.15 | WiZ | no Raptors |
| 11:50.22 | project2501a | only velociraptors |
| 11:50.23 | WiZ | do not chroot |
| 11:50.30 | Raptors | kk |
| 11:50.53 | Chotaz-Work | project2501a, anyways, that first commands only returned this tar: Removing leading `/' from member names |
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| 11:51.28 | project2501a | Chotaz-Work: you do not know how to use tar and that article did not sufficiently explained how to use it. |
| 11:51.32 | Raptors | ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo ln -s lib /target/ ln: creating symbolic link `/target/lib': File exists |
| 11:51.38 | joltcan | Chotaz-Work: Yes, that just means that when you unpack /home it will just be home (without the slash) so it won't overwrite |
| 11:51.39 | project2501a | which will bite you in the ass as soon as you untar everthing |
| 11:51.46 | Raptors | I guess thing the thing in the bug report worked |
| 11:51.47 | project2501a | Raptors: this is not an ubuntu support channel |
| 11:51.52 | project2501a | please go to #ubuntu |
| 11:52.04 | Raptors | I'm not using ubuntu |
| 11:52.11 | Raptors | I'm in ubuntu livecd |
| 11:52.17 | project2501a | same shit |
| 11:52.19 | Raptors | beucase sid is broken |
| 11:52.28 | Raptors | no it's not |
| 11:52.38 | Chotaz-Work | joltcan, yes but no tarball was created when i used that command, only that line got printed on terminal |
| 11:52.38 | project2501a | and you are using a ubuntu cd to unfuck sid? |
| 11:52.41 | project2501a | brillant. |
| 11:52.50 | Raptors | ... |
| 11:52.59 | Raptors | project2501a: just STFU |
| 11:53.03 | project2501a | no u |
| 11:53.09 | LoneTech | Raptors: you forgot lib64 on the end. |
| 11:53.17 | LoneTech | project2501a: seriously, not helpful. |
| 11:53.21 | project2501a | ok |
| 11:53.27 | WiZ | it's /target/lib64 |
| 11:53.31 | joltcan | Chotaz-Work: I use tar zcvf file.tgz files-to-pack |
| 11:53.50 | Raptors | kk |
| 11:54.05 | Raptors | thanks |
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| 11:54.40 | joltcan | Chotaz-Work: I can also recommend switching z for j, to use bzip2 instead of gzip, but then you need to have bzip2 installed on both systems |
| 11:55.07 | Raptors | <babilen> Raptors: Also note that there is a new channel (#debian-next on irc.oftc.net) dedicated to wheezy/sid users. | kk I'll write that that down. Thanks :) |
| 11:55.24 | Chotaz-Work | joltcan, wasnt that what I did? "tar -zcpf backup.tgz /home /etc/passwd /etc/shadow /etc/groups" |
| 11:55.39 | LoneTech | [tar] fwiw, there's also -a which will select the compression tool based on the filename. |
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| 11:58.29 | joltcan | Chotaz-Work: so then you should have the backup.tgz in the dir you where in when you ran the command |
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| 12:02.51 | ujjain | Hi :) Debian 6.0.1 or 5.x recommended for new server? |
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| 12:04.15 | Raptors | it worked somewhat |
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| 12:04.37 | Raptors | graphics drivers seem to be broken and I can't do anything, not even go to one of the terminals |
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| 12:04.45 | Raptors | it just loads to a black screen of death |
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| 12:06.57 | ujjain | And how important is the OS-dropdown list for VMWare Virtual Machines? Since Debian6 is not listed. |
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| 12:08.48 | wols | not too important. use the nearest thing that is there |
| 12:09.07 | WiZ | linux 2.6 should be fine or debian |
| 12:09.12 | ujjain | debian5 64-bit. |
| 12:09.21 | WiZ | yeah |
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| 12:10.18 | Chotaz-Work | joltcan, it created an empty file with backup.tgz as name |
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| 12:12.01 | joltcan | Chotaz-Work: are you running as root? |
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| 12:13.54 | Chotaz-Work | I'm su'ing root when using the commands |
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| 12:15.36 | joltcan | Chotaz-Work: Is the partition full? I don't see why that should not work |
| 12:16.16 | ujjain | is there a package for perl 5.10 on debian5? |
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| 12:16.37 | Bushmills | ,versions perl |
| 12:16.38 | judd | Package perl on i386 -- lenny: 5.10.0-19lenny3; squeeze: 5.10.1-17; wheezy: 5.10.1-20; sid: 5.12.3-6 |
| 12:16.51 | Bushmills | !lenny |
| 12:16.52 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-15 and superseded by Squeeze as of 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 . Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>, <lenny release notes>, <install lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.8>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
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| 12:19.20 | Raptors | LoneTech: any ideas? |
| 12:19.26 | Raptors | black screen of death |
| 12:19.34 | Raptors | can't even access command line |
| 12:19.37 | Raptors | on boot |
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| 12:21.32 | LoneTech | Raptors: not many ideas. does it go black after trying to start X? did you let apt finish configuring packages after working around the libc6 bug? |
| 12:22.00 | LoneTech | (booting in single user mode should avoid it if it's X related) |
| 12:22.24 | creichen | Raptors: I had the same issue with the `nv' X11 server. Updating to the very latest libc6 fixed this (after doing the symlink fix by hand). |
| 12:22.39 | creichen | s/server/driver/ (not a separate server any more) |
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| 12:23.11 | Raptors | LoneTech: X started by itself |
| 12:23.19 | Raptors | I booted up normally |
| 12:23.51 | wols | Raptors: when the black X screen came, did "ctrl+alt+f2" work? |
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| 12:24.28 | Raptors | no |
| 12:24.35 | ketsa | Hi all, is it possible to get firefox or iceweasel 4 in debian ? |
| 12:24.52 | wols | Raptors: use init=/bin/bash, then you will go to a commandline. guaranteed |
| 12:25.10 | creichen | Raptors: Does SysReq-k work? |
| 12:25.19 | Raptors | sysReq? |
| 12:25.56 | wols | ketsa: not really. iceweasel 4 is in experimintal but nowhere else |
| 12:26.27 | ketsa | ok thanks. |
| 12:26.28 | creichen | Alt-SysReq is a hacky way to prod the kernel. Alt-SysReq-k kills the current foreground process. So sometimes it helps... it's how I avoided X11 starting up. |
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| 12:28.25 | LoneTech | sysrq+k is fairly likely to do harm. sysrq+r will switch the keyboard to cooked mode, making the alf+f keys for switching consoles work, but it won't help much if X doesn't restore the console video. |
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| 12:33.35 | dkr | joltcan: -p is somewhat necessary when backing up /home. permissions/ownership are pretty important in that dir. :) as for his not working comment, I suspect he took your "files-to-pack" too literally |
| 12:34.32 | ujjain | how come debian installs by default dhcp? I selected to use manual configuration... |
| 12:35.03 | dkr | ujjain: so it can be used during the installation process |
| 12:35.19 | ujjain | my dhcp setup is broken, so I have to do manual installation, it would be easy if it was installed with manual config... but while installer ran with manual config, it has still decided to install debian on dhcp |
| 12:35.37 | ujjain | I have picked manual network configuration, not dhcp during installation. |
| 12:35.42 | dkr | just because it's installed doesn't mean it is used. look at /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 12:35.55 | ujjain | dhcp. |
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| 12:36.40 | ujjain | is there a tool like ´setup in CentOS¨ that allows me to change to manual network config? or do I need to edit config files? |
| 12:37.09 | wols | edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:37.34 | ujjain | ok, will try, vlan-raw-device entry not needed? |
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| 12:42.21 | ujjain | eth0 is still same old dhcp ip |
| 12:42.59 | ujjain | issue -> route gateway is * |
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| 12:44.49 | mengu | hi. |
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| 12:45.03 | mengu | how do i add a crontab entry so it works every 10 seconds? |
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| 12:46.04 | tvm | you cannot, smallest unit is one minute. |
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| 12:46.26 | ujjain | mengu: The smallest granularity of cron is 1 minute. Â In order for something to run more often, you need to control it in the script. |
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| 12:47.50 | mengu | thanks |
| 12:47.55 | mengu | so every 1 minute would work then |
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| 12:48.32 | jelly | mengu: stupid way: 6 jobs, each with successively increasing sleep before running the actual script |
| 12:49.02 | jelly | * * * * * script, * * * * * sleep 10; script, * * * * * sleep 20; script .... |
| 12:49.16 | ujjain | not stupid way, smart way ^^ :p |
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| 12:52.12 | t67 | hi, how come this: http://t67.eu/pastie.txt |
| 12:53.14 | t67 | that exact same command works fine in iptables |
| 12:53.15 | project2501a | lol |
| 12:53.18 | project2501a | package: blt |
| 12:53.28 | project2501a | i'm hungry now :( |
| 12:53.42 | t67 | doesn't that stand for bacon, lettuce nad tommato? |
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| 12:54.04 | project2501a | t67: yes, it does. |
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| 12:54.55 | t67 | how to get details about a package before you install it? |
| 12:55.03 | tvm | apt-cache show packagename |
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| 12:55.59 | t67 | Oh, OK so I guess that's not an answer to my question |
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| 12:56.43 | jelly | ,info blt |
| 12:56.44 | judd | Package blt (libs, optional) in squeeze/i386: the BLT extension library for Tcl/Tk - run-time package. Version: 2.4z-4.2; Size: 1554.0k; Installed: 3860k; Homepage: http://blt.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 13:00.41 | fcn | there is a little issue here. compiz hides sound and networking buttons on gnome-panel. if i go to panel propeties and select "show hide buttons" they appear again. i'm on squueze. |
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| 13:02.48 | fcn | and when cominf back from hibernation, plymouth shows up for a second and disappears, leaving a blank screen with a blinking cursor. anything about these problems? |
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| 13:04.39 | project2501a | man, nfs is f****ng beast |
| 13:05.09 | joltcan | dkr: well, -p is default when running as root, per the man-file at least :) |
| 13:05.10 | Chotaz-Work | nfs? |
| 13:05.35 | joltcan | project2501a: sshfs ftw |
| 13:05.47 | Chotaz-Work | dkr: actually I used the command exactly as you passed it to me eysterday |
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| 13:06.25 | ujjain | Hi, how should I use rsync to get folders from a /root from an ubuntu server? it uses sudo. |
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| 13:08.18 | project2501a | joltcan: sshfs does not scale to 200 nodes |
| 13:08.23 | project2501a | i tried. |
| 13:08.30 | project2501a | and i got a 10gb network. |
| 13:08.34 | dkr | Chotaz-Work: and it worked fine. to restore it on the other system you'd simply have to tar -zxpf backup.tgz in the / dir if you are brave, but it's probably smarter to untar it somewhere else and compare with what you have to make sure you don't overwrite something important |
| 13:09.04 | project2501a | ujjain: you read the manual. |
| 13:09.19 | Chotaz-Work | dkr, actually, It created an empty tarball |
| 13:09.25 | ujjain | project2501a: I have, but it makes rsync commands much more complex. |
| 13:09.30 | ujjain | I will just disable sudo. |
| 13:09.36 | Chotaz-Work | tar -zcpf backup.tgz /home /etc/passwd /etc/shadow /etc/group |
| 13:09.39 | Chotaz-Work | that's what I used |
| 13:09.46 | project2501a | ujjain: alternatively: very, very, very carefully. rsync is a complex command. |
| 13:09.49 | dkr | Chotaz-Work: no it didn't or you wouldn't have gotten those messages about ztripping the leading / |
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| 13:10.13 | Chotaz-Work | dkr, I'm telling you the tarball is empty. |
| 13:10.36 | dkr | then maybe you overwrote it with a different command |
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| 13:11.14 | project2501a | !ask |
| 13:11.14 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:11.23 | project2501a | !smart questions |
| 13:11.24 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
| 13:11.48 | dkr | !ubuntu |
| 13:11.48 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 13:12.09 | [E]sc | does anyone know how long a memtest on a 1 gig ram should take? the errors per memory slot as risen to 9 digits in the last 8 hours..... |
| 13:13.18 | dkr | [E]sc: I didn't even know a memtest could end, I've always stopped it after some large number of hours. ;) |
| 13:13.29 | ketsa | i would immediately switch off and change the ram if i got errors |
| 13:13.30 | dkr | if you see errors it's kind of pointless to keep running it |
| 13:14.02 | dvs | [E]sc: if you get any errors, the memory is bad. |
| 13:15.23 | [E]sc | dkr, haha, tbh, it's the first time i've ever had to do a memtest, so i figured it would go on until it quit to give me a detailed report...so when it says bits in error - total: 32, and max contiguous errors: 1; i can conclude the test over with and the ram bad? just to be on the safe side, don't want to throw out any good ram... |
| 13:16.31 | stew | [E]sc: it could be a problem with the motherboard as well, swap things around or in and out to see which device(s) the problems follow |
| 13:16.31 | dkr | correct |
| 13:16.57 | dkr | almost, test isn't technically over since the test is just writing lots of different patterns over and over |
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| 13:17.37 | dkr | yeah, obviously test new ram you put in, too |
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| 13:18.16 | [E]sc | stew, crap this was a new computer too...i had 2 sticks of ram, took one out because during the initial test the test halted with interrupt from cpu0,... |
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| 13:19.32 | [E]sc | dkr, it's actually looping on test 2, errors go from 0 to 32766 and then back again on the right hand side of the program (not sure if you're familiar with memtest86) |
| 13:19.56 | dkr | it may seem counter-intuitive but the chances of a problem are higher with a new system. "infant mortality" |
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| 13:21.31 | [E]sc | dkr, i guess i'll just let it run until it stops..and then go from there...(hoping it stops soon though) |
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| 13:22.05 | greenmang0 | what package is recommended to set system date? I see at least 3 packages - "ntpdate" "ntp" and "openntpd" |
| 13:22.07 | wols | why would it stop? and as soon as you have a reported error, you know that something is borken. RAM, mobo or memory controller |
| 13:22.27 | greenmang0 | which one should be use to set system date.. i don't want to run ntp-server |
| 13:22.28 | wols | greenmang0: just setting it right now, ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
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| 13:22.41 | wols | continous time server, a ntp package |
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| 13:22.55 | metalfan_ | hi |
| 13:23.37 | dkr | [E]sc: it will keep running forever. you have to stop it yourself |
| 13:24.09 | dkr | [E]sc: http://www.memtest86.com/tech.html#execute |
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| 13:25.49 | arghh2d2 | !judd versions shorten |
| 13:25.49 | dpkg | arghh2d2, you probably want to address that to judd, not to me. (Hint: leave off the ! in your command -- that's there to grab my attention not judd's) |
| 13:25.59 | arghh2d2 | judd versions shorten |
| 13:26.00 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'shorten' was found in i386. |
| 13:26.20 | arghh2d2 | judd versions shntool |
| 13:26.22 | judd | Package shntool on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.7-1; sid: 3.0.7-1; squeeze: 3.0.7-1; wheezy: 3.0.7-1 |
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| 13:26.57 | arghh2d2 | anybody know why shntool is in the repo's but not the shn codec itself?? |
| 13:27.15 | learn1 | apt-get install keepalived .having errors unable to locate package keepalived? |
| 13:27.29 | learn1 | how to install keepalived on debian? |
| 13:27.32 | [E]sc | ahh...i see... thanks dkr, wols, stew |
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| 13:28.36 | dvs | learn1: aptitude install keepalived |
| 13:28.37 | arghh2d2 | shorten isn't new, it's being phased out by flac, definitely not bleeding edge |
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| 13:28.47 | dvs | learn1: I'd check /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 13:29.40 | learn1 | dvs: thanks reply. what repository have to add to /etc/apt/sources.list then can able to install keepalived by apt-get install keepalived? |
| 13:30.01 | dvs | learn1: It's in the main repository |
| 13:30.21 | dvs | (at least in squeeze) |
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| 13:30.35 | learn1 | dvs: 0 packages? cannot install keeplived package? |
| 13:30.43 | learn1 | dvs: i am in debian 6. |
| 13:30.52 | dvs | learn1: Which is why I'd check sources.liswt |
| 13:31.04 | stew | learn1: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" in a pastebin |
| 13:31.46 | arghh2d2 | Is it possible that shorten just slipped through the cracks with debian? Any suggestions on how i can get this old school codec on my machine? |
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| 13:33.05 | stew | arghh2d2: are there free implementations of shorten? the reference source code isn't free which is why it would not be in debian |
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| 13:33.37 | themill | ,info xcfa |
| 13:33.38 | judd | No record of package 'xcfa' in squeeze/i386. |
| 13:33.54 | themill | ,info xcfa --release squeeze-multimedia |
| 13:33.55 | judd | Package xcfa (sound, extra) in squeeze-multimedia/i386: X Convert File Audio. Version: 4.0.3-0.0; Size: 486.7k; Installed: 2208k; Homepage: http://www.xcfa.tuxfamily.org/presentation.html; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/xcfa |
| 13:34.11 | themill | arghh2d2: ^^ perhaps of interest; it claims to be able to convert these files to other things |
| 13:35.33 | learn1 | dvs: thanks. i able to install after insert: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 13:35.46 | learn1 | stew: thanks. i able to install after insert: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 13:35.48 | arghh2d2 | stew: themill: kk, i'll look into xcfa.. shntool is in the repos and it can convert shn to flac, wav, whatever but the shorten codec is required... you'd think it would be in the multimedia repo? |
| 13:35.52 | dvs | learn1: what was there before? |
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| 13:36.44 | learn1 | dvs: default debain6 after install, the /etc/apt/source.conf do not have this line. so cannot read package to install... |
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| 13:38.05 | stew | learn1: yes, shntool is from the people that write the non-free shorten codec. so I'd expect that if shntool is in debian, it would be stripped of the shorten codec |
| 13:38.16 | dvs | stew: wrong person |
| 13:38.53 | stew | arghh2d2: ^^^ |
| 13:38.57 | arghh2d2 | stew: couldn't it be in multimedia? |
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| 13:39.15 | arghh2d2 | with lame and monkey audio junk? |
| 13:39.28 | stew | arghh2d2: sure |
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| 13:43.06 | asarch | It only has i486-linux-gnu |
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| 13:44.03 | arghh2d2 | Well I'm not interested in learning to package source code for a repo... i appreciate all the volunteers that make linux and debian possible, but I ain't that guy... that being said... what is my best option for getting the shorten codec on this machine? |
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| 13:46.46 | ecc | arghh2d2: http://www.etree.org/shnutils/shorten/ |
| 13:47.00 | infernix | why isn't the boot process (e.g. sysv-rc scripts) logging anything? i just switched to dependency based booting and one script doesn't start at bootup. is there really no other way of fixing this other than looking at the console output to see why it fails? |
| 13:48.55 | ctp | hi all. for renaming host/domainname of a server, i know i have to set the 'domain' and 'search' in /etc/resolv.conf to my domain name and the right name in /etc/hosts (e.g. 82.88.33.10 srv01.example.com srv01). but what's about /etc/host? should i put only the hostname or the fqdn there? any places else to edit? |
| 13:49.02 | infernix | i mean really? there's no better way to determine this short of using (remote) console? |
| 13:49.11 | infernix | is appalled |
| 13:49.19 | stew | infernix: /msg dpkg bootlog |
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| 13:50.49 | ujjain | how do I cancel an apt-get ? |
| 13:50.52 | ujjain | apt-get install |
| 13:51.00 | zamba | ctrl + c |
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| 13:51.02 | wols | ctrl+c |
| 13:52.28 | infernix | stew, thanks :) |
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| 13:52.30 | wols | ctp: what /etc/host I don't have such a file and neither does man know about it. other places you might have to change are /etc/mailname and such. and /etc/hosts isn't needed if your DNS knows about the server |
| 13:52.58 | ctp | sorry, i meant /etc/hostname |
| 13:53.37 | stew | ctp: /etc/hostname should NOT be the fqdn, just hostname |
| 13:53.47 | ctp | ok |
| 13:53.49 | ctp | thx |
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| 13:59.27 | Eightamrock | why cant hostname be fqdn? mine is configured that way, but I admittedly dont know what Im doing stew |
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| 14:00.28 | arghh2d2 | xcfa can't handle shorten files either.. i'm saddening... any other suggestions for installing the shorten codec? should I beg the multimedia repo gods? |
| 14:01.03 | arghh2d2 | try the ubuntu .deb maybe? |
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| 14:01.50 | stew | Eightamrock: because "man hostanme" says so? |
| 14:02.01 | Fredy_BackSlash | Hi All. |
| 14:02.19 | Fredy_BackSlash | can any body help me with OpenVZ ? |
| 14:02.25 | stew | Eightamrock: its just not what the resolver is expecting |
| 14:02.30 | themill | arghh2d2: the package description for xfca says that it can; it might need various recommended packages installed to be able to do so, however. |
| 14:03.20 | Eightamrock | stew fair enough, lol I was having issues with exim sending mail in my effort to resolve it I used my fqdn as the hostname |
| 14:03.44 | arghh2d2 | themill: yeah, there's an option for it too.. i'm sure it can the same way shntool can handle it.. just add the codec and it will most likely work fine |
| 14:04.24 | Fredy_BackSlash | "vzctl start 101" say "Configure veth devices: veth101.0" and "Unable to create veth: File exists" with file it's mean& |
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| 14:07.01 | CyL | Hi, it lookes like my gdmsetup is missing some option (for example, I connot change the login windows theme, the background image or even the welcome message), even when it is run as root. Am I missing something here? |
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| 14:08.34 | csinti6799 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp-fuZ9Hbu8 |
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| 14:09.27 | ikonia | !ops | csinti6799 spamming |
| 14:09.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: ikonia complains about: | csinti6799 spamming |
| 14:09.29 | ikonia | (multiple channels) |
| 14:09.56 | csinti6799 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp-fuZ9Hbu8 |
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| 14:10.56 | CyL | mentor: too late :) |
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| 14:11.15 | arghh2d2 | themill: I installed every package xcfa recomended... still no love... i really think multimedia should just have the shorten codec... shntool is just a complicated wav manipulator otherwise |
| 14:11.15 | mentor | I can still ban him |
| 14:11.17 | Corey | mengu: That paren is going to hose you. |
| 14:11.28 | Corey | Er, mentor even. |
| 14:11.32 | CyL | mentor: sure, I was looking for some action ;) |
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| 14:12.25 | mentor | grumbles at touch pads |
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| 14:14.51 | wols | get a trackpoint |
| 14:14.57 | stew | arghh2d2: you can send email to the guy running -multimedia and ask if he would package it, i guess |
| 14:15.30 | karlpinc | arghh2d2: Shorten has license problems. Use flac. |
| 14:15.48 | mentor | wols: Keyboard interface to this text box would be better |
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| 14:15.59 | arghh2d2 | stew: yeah, i guess... in the meantime, what would be the wiser option, install an ubuntu .deb or from source? |
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| 14:16.33 | arghh2d2 | karlpinc: ofc... not every lossless track available is flac tho... nothing can convert shn to flac without the codec |
| 14:16.48 | wols | you will mouse the mouse cursor and love it! virtual on screen keyboard ftw! |
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| 14:17.49 | tompaw | Hi guys. What could be causing the following problem: I added eth1 configuration to network/interfaces. When I ifup eth1, the interface goes up, but with NO ip address. If I add the ip address manually, it works for 1 minute and then goes away (replaced with some 169.xxx). Also, my default gateway configuration gets lost few seconds after bringing up eth1. |
| 14:17.49 | karlpinc | arghh2d2: Use source. See also the <stow> factoid. |
| 14:18.08 | arghh2d2 | !stow |
| 14:18.08 | dpkg | from memory, stow is a nifty program used to manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy. It keeps all the programs separate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game; ask me about <stow usage>. http://www.gnu.org/software/stow . See also <usrlocal>, <uupdate>. |
| 14:18.09 | tompaw | (eth0 works normally in the mean time) |
| 14:18.16 | wols | tompaw: network manager? |
| 14:18.30 | arghh2d2 | karlpinc: cool, thanks |
| 14:18.48 | karlpinc | arghh2d2: <stow usage> is essential. See also <msg the bot>. |
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| 14:19.12 | tompaw | wols: it says on wiki that "NetworkManager will only handle interfaces not declared in /etc/network/interfaces" |
| 14:20.03 | wols | tompaw: the fun thing about network managers is, there are so many to choose from in debian... |
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| 14:20.22 | wols | I admit, I never liked them and what they do |
| 14:20.45 | CyL | Well folks, this is a bit strange, I'm almost sure my login manager is gdm, athough Debian lists the gdm package as not installed, and I for sure have gdmsetup installed... I believe this is a bug, can anyone please confirm this same situation? |
| 14:20.54 | tompaw | wols: ouch... in my everyday work I use your direct competition and it's quite easy there, so what can I do get rid of that network manage pleaes? |
| 14:21.21 | tompaw | I simply want the OS to respect my configuration from network/interfaces if it's possible at all. |
| 14:22.02 | wols | you can uninstall it if you don't use it |
| 14:22.04 | CyL | tompaw: have you tried to just uninstall it? |
| 14:22.36 | wols | CyL: ps tells you reliably if gdm is running :) |
| 14:22.46 | tompaw | I have no kvm control over that server and if I kill the network traffic, I'm dead... uninstalling something called "NetworkManager" sounds... risky :P |
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| 14:23.27 | wols | tompaw: use your network manager to set a static IP then |
| 14:23.37 | CyL | wols: root 1788 0.0 0.0 74320 3048 ? Sl 09:02 0:00 /usr/sbin/gdm3 |
| 14:23.48 | CyL | So I guess it is installed |
| 14:23.58 | wols | tompaw: what happens is, something calls dhcp for this eth1, there is no dhcp server however and after a time it gets the 169. IP autoassigned |
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| 14:24.28 | tompaw | wols: but why would that something call dhcp if I have eth1 declared as static ip in interfaces? |
| 14:24.56 | wols | I dunno. don't like stuff fudging with my interfaces :) |
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| 14:26.08 | johndo | is there any way to reconfigure alternatives when there is only one alternative? |
| 14:26.29 | johndo | i.e. to force reconfiguration |
| 14:27.35 | asarch | How can I install the i686 toolchain? |
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| 14:29.32 | stew | johndo: do you mean somehting other than calling "update-alternatives --config foo"? |
| 14:29.45 | djura-san | o/ |
| 14:29.49 | twobitsprite | asarch: you mean, compiler, linker, etc? |
| 14:29.59 | asarch | Yeah |
| 14:30.07 | johndo | stew: yes, as it says "Nothing to configure." and leaves the slave dependency broken |
| 14:30.10 | twobitsprite | asarch: build-essentials |
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| 14:32.16 | johndo | stew: even reinstalling the package doesn't fix it, so i'm curious if there is any way to fix such broken slave alternatives without purging the package |
| 14:33.04 | DotHack | im having a weird problem |
| 14:33.15 | stew | johndo: can you show us the output of "update-alternatives --display whatever" in a pastebin? |
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| 14:33.34 | DotHack | i had some nfs mount point hanging and a lazy unmounted the point but somewhere in the backup something is hogging my cpu since then |
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| 14:33.43 | DotHack | i do not want to reboot the machine |
| 14:33.56 | twobitsprite | asarch: hmm... nm... looks like that changed in squeeze maybe? |
| 14:34.01 | DotHack | what can i inspect to see whats happening |
| 14:34.20 | asarch | Yeah, I can't find it |
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| 14:34.36 | ragnar76 | hi all |
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| 14:35.37 | johndo | stew: http://pastebin.com/ripQph7t |
| 14:36.22 | ragnar76 | has something important changed with the last backup for wheezy? i cannot shutdown from startmenu and, most important for me, gnome cannot mount my external hdd anymore. I get an error message "Not Authorized" |
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| 14:37.55 | twobitsprite | asarch: well, build-essential (without the 's') does depend on the compiler, make, libc-dev and dpkg-dev |
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| 14:38.36 | dokma | I've got libjavaplugin_nscp.so in 5 different places how do I know which one is used and which ones can be removed?? |
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| 14:41.36 | stew | johndo: i'd proobably run the update-alternatives --remove and update-alternatives --install commands by hand (which you can find ine the postinst/prerm scripts) |
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| 14:42.01 | johndo | stew: i was afraid of that :) |
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| 14:44.28 | tompaw | I really don't get it. What's the point of describing network/interfaces file in the docs if the file is ignored? |
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| 14:45.07 | dokma | is there a way to check if a file belongs to a package??? |
| 14:46.00 | dokma | can anyone even see my messages? |
| 14:46.19 | dokma | I just upgraded to squeeze and now I don't trust anything... |
| 14:46.21 | ragnar76 | dokma: yes i can see your message :) |
| 14:46.32 | dokma | ahh... ok... that's settled |
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| 14:47.06 | dokma | ragnar76: do you know is there a way to check if a file belongs to a package? |
| 14:47.31 | ragnar76 | dokma: sorry, i dont know |
| 14:48.03 | dokma | ok |
| 14:48.25 | johndo | stew: i guess the problem is the package itself, there's a "update-alternatives --install ... /usr/share/man/man1/uic-qt4.1.gz" in the postinst, but the package doesn't contain that file |
| 14:48.34 | stew | johndo: file a bug |
| 14:48.36 | johndo | dokma: dpkg -S |
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| 14:49.02 | johndo | but that does only show regular files, not files which are created bei postinst scripts |
| 14:49.16 | stew | tompaw: it should certainly not be ignored. can you show us the contents of the file? |
| 14:49.34 | dokma | johndo: thanks mate |
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| 14:50.34 | dokma | the problem is I've got libjavaplugin_nscp.so in 5 places |
| 14:50.50 | dokma | dpkg -S reports only 2 in /usr/lib/jvm |
| 14:50.50 | dpkg | Package: reports only 2 in /usr/lib/jvm: Status: install ok installed |
| 14:51.24 | dokma | got one more in /usr/local and two in /opt/jdksomething |
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| 14:51.40 | themill | dokma: debian never sticks things in /usr/local or /opt |
| 14:51.52 | stew | dokma: debian packages would not touch /usr/local nor /opt, those are reserved for the system admin to put stuff |
| 14:52.15 | dokma | is there anyway to determine if these libs are in use by anything??? |
| 14:52.39 | dokma | this install of mine is some 7 years old so it's possible that some clutter piled up |
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| 14:53.08 | johndo | dokma: (re)move them and check if something is broken :P |
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| 14:53.20 | dokma | hehehe that was my thinking as well |
| 14:53.29 | dokma | but I hoped there is a clean solution |
| 14:54.04 | engla | you'd inspect every executable and see if they link to something in /opt or /usr/local ? |
| 14:55.36 | engla | maybe something like prelink --dry-run -v -f :-) |
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| 14:55.58 | dokma | engla: hmm.... never heard of prelink |
| 14:56.02 | dokma | let me check it out |
| 14:56.23 | engla | well be careful because maybe it's enabled by default if you install it, and you don't want that |
| 14:56.50 | engla | yeah in fact forget prelink, I don't think it is well liked for what it does (because it has small risks) |
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| 14:57.29 | dokma | engla isn't ldd what I need for this? |
| 14:58.20 | johndo | engla: and it probably wouldn't catch dynamically loading of libs, which is not that uncommon for plugins |
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| 14:58.30 | johndo | which ldd doesn't catch too |
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| 14:59.02 | engla | dokma: yeah |
| 14:59.02 | dokma | hmmm... so I'm stuck... |
| 14:59.10 | dokma | I'll just leave the hanging there |
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| 14:59.36 | dokma | now the prob I've got is that icedove is searching for that lib in a totally retarded path: /home/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_nscp.so |
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| 14:59.52 | engla | well it's a good question. I wondered why I had libstdc++5 installed. uninstalled it, and then I knew it was some game |
| 14:59.53 | dokma | ... /home/lib what kind of a path is that |
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| 14:59.57 | stew | dokma: out of curiosity, what does "readlink -f $(which java)" return? |
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| 15:00.54 | dokma | ... /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.24/jre/bin/java |
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| 15:01.27 | dokma | this squeeze upgrade messed up quite a lot of stuff for me |
| 15:01.50 | dokma | stew: is that the java that is actually being used? |
| 15:01.59 | johndo | feels not that alone anymore :) |
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| 15:02.18 | themill | dokma: "/home/lib/i386" sounds like a "I ran out of space on / and had some left on /home so made a symlink" sort of path. But maybe it's only me that resorts to such crude hacks. |
| 15:02.22 | LarsTorben | there is new debian distribution |
| 15:02.29 | dokma | hehe johndo... glad I made you feel better |
| 15:02.42 | stew | dokma: that's the one that is being used when someone runs just "java". when you have some script that does stuff like "export JAVA_HOME=/opt/jdkwhatever ; $JAVA_HOME/bin/java -jar whatever" then that is another story |
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| 15:02.58 | dokma | themill: that would make sense if I didn't use one partition |
| 15:03.12 | themill | heh |
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| 15:03.34 | dokma | stew: I see |
| 15:03.47 | LarsTorben | there is new debian distribution |
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| 15:03.57 | dokma | I still don't get the /home/lib story ... why would icedove look for java there... |
| 15:04.08 | dokma | why would icedove use java at all? |
| 15:05.18 | tompaw | How do I configure default gw if I have 2 network interfaces, each in separate public /24? :o |
| 15:05.37 | tompaw | Is there sth like route add default gw xxx src eth0 ? |
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| 15:06.06 | johndo | tompaw: try ip route, it gives more control |
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| 15:06.43 | tompaw | johndo: mkay, I just wonder how to make it persistent using interfaces file... if possible at all. |
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| 15:06.58 | stew | tompaw: you have to create two different routing tables and have one default gateway per table and then create rules to tell the kernel how to choose a routing table |
| 15:07.02 | stew | tompaw: /msg dpkg split access |
| 15:07.17 | tompaw | stew: thank you. |
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| 15:08.36 | johndo | dokma: does icedove put any config files into users home directory? like .icedove or .config/icedove or whatever |
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| 15:09.02 | johndo | try to run icedove with a user with clean home dir, maybe you have broken configs in your hoe dir |
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| 15:09.39 | dokma | johndo: yes it does... it might be what you suspect due to the migration from .kde-something to .kde |
| 15:10.48 | dokma | I can run it as root |
| 15:10.55 | dokma | but it now complains about DBUS |
| 15:11.06 | dokma | maybee my dbus server died? |
| 15:11.10 | johndo | argh, not root :P |
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| 15:11.45 | dokma | I'll survive this one time :D |
| 15:11.51 | dokma | don't be such a purist |
| 15:12.23 | johndo | dokma: and i guess you may have to (graphically) login as that user (or set the proper environment by other means) |
| 15:13.05 | arghh2d2 | Is there a way to see what extra packages are recomended for a package that's already installed? |
| 15:13.19 | johndo | arghh2d2: dpkg -s |
| 15:13.26 | arghh2d2 | johndo: thnks |
| 15:13.28 | johndo | look for Recommended and Suggested |
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| 15:14.27 | frankie4 | lxde 64bit has no network support |
| 15:14.33 | johndo | arghh2d2: actually Recommends: and Suggests: |
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| 15:15.28 | arghh2d2 | i'm trying to figure out what i need to make ncmpcpp have tag support |
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| 15:15.53 | frankie4 | I've tried wired to router tether to phone and still no network. I am stick as I can't install anything so what's the point if making a district with no network support? |
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| 15:17.18 | stew | frankie4: debian cedrtaily has network support... |
| 15:17.28 | stew | frankie4: what network card do you have? |
| 15:17.56 | stew | frankie4: (most helpful would be if you could provide us with the vendorid:deviceid pair from the output of "lspci -nn") (assuming it is connected via pci bus) |
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| 15:18.16 | frankie4 | stew well its a laptop but I've tried USB and wired Conn |
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| 15:18.34 | frankie4 | I have a broadcom something |
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| 15:18.38 | stew | frankie4: what kind of ethernet card does your laptop have? |
| 15:19.13 | frankie4 | stew really don't know :( |
| 15:19.26 | the_german | hi i use Xen 4.0 with debian Squeeze as Dom0 and DomU...I use a bridged network with static Ip Adresses...but I cant get a network connection from DomU ...any suggestions??? |
| 15:19.29 | stew | frankie4: then look it up with lspci -nn |
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| 15:21.40 | frankie4 | stew realtek rtl8111/8168b pci Ethernet controller |
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| 15:22.46 | stew | frankie4: can you give me the vendorid:deviceid? its at the end of that line |
| 15:22.47 | JyZyXEL | Last sector, +sectors or +size{K,M,G} (32-2930277167, default 2930277167): |
| 15:22.48 | frankie4 | stew wifi broadcom bcm43225 |
| 15:23.30 | frankie4 | stew 10ec:8168 rev 3 |
| 15:23.39 | stew | judd: pciid 10ec:8168 |
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| 15:23.40 | judd | [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168 |
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| 15:24.39 | stew | dpkg: r8169 |
| 15:24.39 | dpkg | r8169 is the Realtek RTL8169/8168/8101 Gigabit Ethernet driver, included in the mainline Linux kernel. For controller specific information, ask me about <rtl8101e>, <rtl8168d>. A MDIO timing issue affecting DHCP operation (BTS #583139) was fixed in linux-2.6 2.6.26-24. Regression found in <6.0.1> (BTS #619173) and fixed in linux-2.6 2.6.32-32, ask me about <proposed-updates>. |
| 15:25.07 | stew | frankie4: is the r8169 module loaded? |
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| 15:25.54 | frankie4 | stew not sure how do I check |
| 15:26.19 | stew | frankie4: with lsmod |
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| 15:26.45 | frankie4 | stew I interestingly network works on 32 bit lxde |
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| 15:27.53 | johndo | is there a list or description of all these nice bot commands and factoids available? |
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| 15:28.23 | frankie4 | stew yes there's a line for it. moisture 3210 1 r8169 |
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| 15:28.39 | frankie4 | sorry. mii not moisture |
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| 15:29.05 | rethus | is it recommended to use debian 6.0 64bit for server, or better default debian (32bit) ? |
| 15:29.05 | stew | frankie4: does eth0 show up in "ip l"? |
| 15:29.42 | frankie4 | stew yes |
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| 15:30.18 | stew | frankie4: does it have an ip address in "ip a"? |
| 15:30.43 | stew | rethus: its not the case that 32bit is a default... how much memory does the server have? |
| 15:30.43 | fooztha | Anyone know how to manage an ilo2 interface on a hp proliant server from debian? |
| 15:31.02 | rethus | 2GB RAM |
| 15:31.05 | frankie4 | stew state is down. and no IP address |
| 15:31.06 | stew | johndo: for judd: /msg judd list Piccy ; /msg judd list Judd |
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| 15:31.12 | JyZyXEL | how do i tell fdisk to make a partition the size of 1953520002 sectors? |
| 15:31.20 | the_german | hi i use Xen 4.0 with debian Squeeze as Dom0 and DomU...I use a bridged network with static Ip Adresses...but I cant get a network connection from DomU ...any suggestions??? |
| 15:31.30 | stew | frankie4: are you intending to give it a static ip address or dynamic? |
| 15:31.56 | rethus | stew: does the ram possible for 64bit system? |
| 15:31.59 | rethus | 2GB |
| 15:32.17 | JyZyXEL | it says: Last sector, +sectors or +size{K,M,G} (32-2930277167, default 2930277167): |
| 15:32.33 | frankie4 | stew dynamic I guess though does that matter with dhcp" |
| 15:32.42 | johndo | stew: ty |
| 15:32.42 | Mark`CFA | Has anyone had problems with high IO wait times? Top shows >50% CPU time in wait when just doing simple file copies, etc. |
| 15:32.45 | JyZyXEL | so does that mean: 1953520002+sectors or +1953520002 or 1953520002sectors |
| 15:32.54 | JyZyXEL | what the hell is the correct format |
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| 15:33.07 | JyZyXEL | its not obvious at all from the help text |
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| 15:33.43 | stew | rethus: with only 2gb, you might consider using 32 bit. if you had 4gb or more, the recommendation would be 64 bit |
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| 15:33.55 | stew | rethus: i don't know what you mean by "does the ram possible" |
| 15:34.15 | johndo | JyZyXEL: a pure number means the last sector, if you want to input the size use +number |
| 15:34.42 | JyZyXEL | so +INSERT_NUMBER_HERE |
| 15:35.17 | twobitsprite | does anyone else have a problem where compiz opens windows behind other windows instead of on top? I'm running wheezy but I don't see any bugs reported for this. |
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| 15:35.18 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: yes. |
| 15:35.24 | johndo | JyZyXEL: and you always can try and check the result, until you explicitly write it to the disk nothing has happened there |
| 15:35.58 | rethus | stew: sorry, i didn't mean possible, i mean important for 64bit system |
| 15:35.58 | stew | frankie4: and what about eth0 currently exists in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 15:36.10 | rethus | so you think better use a normal 32bit system? |
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| 15:36.40 | frankie4 | stew no it doesn't |
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| 15:36.53 | JyZyXEL | its easy to get stuff mixed up when Start and End columns are 512 bytes and Blocks column is in 1024 bytes |
| 15:36.55 | stew | rethus: a 32 bit system would typically use less memory. if you have 4gb or more, a 32 bit system is less efficient |
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| 15:37.39 | stew | frankie4: add "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" to that file, then run "ifup eth0" |
| 15:37.47 | stew | frankie4: (man interfaces for a description of that file) |
| 15:37.54 | rethus | stew: good to know. did you have a link for a benchmark, wehre i could see the diffference? |
| 15:38.02 | stew | rethus: no |
| 15:38.50 | stew | rethus: in order for 32 bit os to address 4gb or more, it needs to use "PAE". you can probably google for "PAE" and "slow" and find lots of info |
| 15:38.58 | rethus | k. so i belive in you and choose the 32bit system |
| 15:39.26 | jhutchins_lt | I can't get my mouse cursor more than two inches from the right side of the screen. As soon as I start to drag it it jumps back to the right hand edge, and when I reach the edge of the pad and lift to drag again it jumps again. |
| 15:39.29 | rethus | i think, no RAM Upgrades will be made on this server |
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| 15:39.48 | jhutchins_lt | ...and suddenly it works fine again. |
| 15:40.19 | frankie4 | stew added...and now working thanks. though not starting on. startup |
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| 15:40.45 | stew | frankie4: you just rebooted? |
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| 15:41.14 | frankie4 | stew yes |
| 15:41.32 | stew | frankie4: but it works if you run "ifup eth0" now? |
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| 15:41.43 | shrimpwagon | I know I'm not supposed to get on IRC and say, "Somebody please help!". But I need some help |
| 15:41.51 | JyZyXEL | i guess the easiest way to check if a partition is 4K aligned is to divide its starting sector by 4? |
| 15:42.03 | shrimpwagon | I have 4 discs in RAID 5 and one disc dedicated to Debian |
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| 15:42.08 | frankie4 | stew yes |
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| 15:42.24 | stew | frankie4: that's odd. "auto eth0" should have made it come up on startup |
| 15:42.30 | shrimpwagon | This morning I got EXT3-fs error: unable to read inode block on the RAID md1 device |
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| 15:43.31 | shrimpwagon | I then did e2fsck -pcfv /dev/md1 and it says Buffer I/O error on device /md1 |
| 15:43.36 | adrenlinerush | has anybody successfully used libpam_mount with cifs/smbfs on sqeeze? |
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| 15:44.03 | shrimpwagon | Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/md1, Could this be a zero-length partition? |
| 15:44.08 | fooztha | How can i get HPONCFG installed on debian? |
| 15:44.31 | project2501a | what is hponcfg? |
| 15:44.57 | project2501a | shrimpwagon: did you list the partitions? |
| 15:44.57 | frankie4 | stew I'll. try again. it doesn't reboot properly but that's for another day |
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| 15:45.08 | stew | frankie4: what do you mean? |
| 15:45.23 | jelly | fooztha: typically hp offers .deb packages for most of their tools |
| 15:45.24 | shrimpwagon | project2501a: no I didn't |
| 15:45.33 | project2501a | well, then :) |
| 15:45.44 | fooztha | jelly can only find rpm and did not work with alien |
| 15:45.50 | shrimpwagon | project2501a: ??? |
| 15:46.05 | frankie4 | stew when o get wifi working I'll. explain on computer. hard to type p. phone |
| 15:46.08 | jelly | !proliant |
| 15:46.09 | dpkg | HP ProLiant utilities for Lenny i386/amd64 systems are available from ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softlib2/software1/pubsw-linux/p1538177301/v45350/ . See also <bnx2>, <nc375i>, <netxen>. http://wiki.debian.org/HP/ProLiant http://hp.com/go/debian |
| 15:46.34 | jelly | frankie4: look inside the .iso image in that directory |
| 15:46.39 | stew | frankie4: what is the vendorid:deviceid for the wireless? |
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| 15:47.44 | jelly | fooztha: nope, sorry, not there. |
| 15:48.07 | fooztha | :( |
| 15:48.15 | shrimpwagon | since it is raid, is it possible that one of the drives is bad |
| 15:48.20 | jelly | fooztha: I have a hponcfg_1.8.0-2_all.deb for etch but no idea where we downloaded it from ;-) |
| 15:48.22 | shrimpwagon | or would I get a different error message? |
| 15:48.31 | RIMAL | how can i connect to a wi fi network?..When i was using ubuntu i can access the wi fi internet connection automatically.but now i am using debian squeeze. |
| 15:48.51 | frankie4 | stew 14e4:4357 rev1 working through wiki.deb.org/wl i know it works |
| 15:49.04 | fooztha | jelly wow :D |
| 15:49.11 | fooztha | could you please upload it somewhere? :> |
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| 15:50.57 | judgen | i am using "setxkbmap se" to change my keyboard layout every time i reboot my computer.. how do i make this setting permanent. |
| 15:50.58 | jelly | fooztha: I'm not sure that's legal |
| 15:51.16 | fooztha | jelly ok :( |
| 15:51.26 | fooztha | could this be something? "openhpi-plugin-ilo2-ribcl - OpenHPI plugin module for HP's ProLiant rackmount servers" |
| 15:51.30 | floe | RIMAL: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi - it really depends... which desktop environment? |
| 15:51.41 | judgen | i have XKBLAYOUT="se" in the /etc/default/keyboard file |
| 15:52.00 | RIMAL | floe, gnome |
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| 15:52.52 | frankie4c | stew, something very interesting is that notifications doesn't appear to work on lxde 64bit like they did on 32bit. iirc, you got notification bubbles when connected etc. you don't on 64 bit |
| 15:52.59 | floe | RIMAL: I use kde, but I assume you can install network-manager and network-manager-gnome and connect like you did in ubuntu |
| 15:53.10 | jelly | fooztha: http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareDescription.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodTypeId=5351&prodSeriesId=1121516&swItem=MTX-aa33f3378fc04981981e73c5a6&prodNameId=3288134&swEnvOID=4093&swLang=8&taskId=135&mode=4&idx=1 |
| 15:53.19 | RIMAL | thanks floe |
| 15:53.33 | RIMAL | floe, thank u |
| 15:53.59 | stew | frankie4c: i don't know what that is, sorry |
| 15:54.01 | fooztha | jelly wow, thx bigtime m8! been searching for days :) |
| 15:54.03 | floe | RIMAL: or you do it the old fashioned way using /etc/network/interfaces... http://wiki.debian.org/WPA |
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| 15:54.12 | stew | judd: pciid 14e4:4357 |
| 15:54.13 | judd | [14e4:4357] is 'BCM43225 802.11b/g/n' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'brcm80211' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4357 http://wiki.debian.org/wl http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
| 15:54.52 | stew | frankie4c: see the above wiki.d.o link, you have to install firmware from the non-free repository before this will work |
| 15:55.13 | jelly | dpkg, proliant =~ s#ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softlib2/software1/pubsw-linux/p1538177301/v45350/#http://tinyurl.com/6x9vlu5# |
| 15:55.14 | dpkg | jelly: OK |
| 15:55.16 | RIMAL | floe, i will try,thank u for ur help |
| 15:55.18 | frankie4c | stew: just saying there appears to be a few differences between deb lxde 32bit and 64 bit. stew, yep, i've worked through wiki.debian.org/wl and wifi is all recognised now |
| 15:55.26 | stew | frankie4c: there aren't |
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| 15:56.34 | stew | frankie4c: the differences so far, appear to be in how you've configured it |
| 15:56.55 | stew | frankie4c: perhaps with 32 bit, you were using something like network-manager? |
| 15:57.12 | frankie4c | stew i'm not sure tbh, linux newbie |
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| 15:57.31 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | can anyone tell me if grub2 can boot from xfs partition ? |
| 15:57.35 | floe | RIMAL: you may also have to install firmware from non-free... dependes on your chip I guess. As root type 'lspci' in a console look out for the wireless network controller chip |
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| 15:59.04 | RIMAL | wt is firmware floe? |
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| 16:00.43 | RIMAL | floe, the command displays about Display controller ,Audio device ,usb device etc |
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| 16:00.58 | frankie4c | how do i trigger a notification bubble? i thought it was notify-send? |
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| 16:01.31 | floe | RIMAL: It should also list your network controller(s) |
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| 16:02.42 | RIMAL | yes floe , can i paste the network information here? |
| 16:03.20 | stew | !paste |
| 16:03.20 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 16:03.25 | floe | RIMAL: better use http://pastebin.com/ or somehing like that |
| 16:03.43 | RIMAL | okay |
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| 16:05.41 | RIMAL | floe,it displays a wireless device of intel |
| 16:05.55 | RIMAL | in the second last line |
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| 16:10.18 | JyZyXEL | is "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb" bad idea in terms of perfomance? |
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| 16:10.57 | JyZyXEL | should something else be used to get better performance? |
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| 16:11.38 | floe | RIMAL: model name + no. + rev. would be helpful |
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| 16:11.41 | JyZyXEL | i remember there being some more modern alternatives for dd |
| 16:11.45 | LarsTorben | somebody here how can designing? |
| 16:11.49 | LarsTorben | somebody here how can designing? |
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| 16:12.14 | LoRez | LarsTorben: repeating your question in multiple channels isn't the way to get an answer |
| 16:13.17 | RIMAL | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:14.06 | jelly | fooztha: I've done some further investigation, the results: /msg dpkg proliant sources.list |
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| 16:14.45 | johndo | JyZyXEL: dd is fast, but you may have to increase buffer size |
| 16:14.56 | fooztha | jelly I have gotten hponcfg installed thx to you but cant get any contact with the ilo interface :( |
| 16:15.03 | johndo | 1 MB or so sould be good |
| 16:15.09 | johndo | *should |
| 16:15.35 | jelly | fooztha: I don't remember whether hpilo module has to be loaded |
| 16:16.09 | fooztha | jelly okay, with the risk of sounding stupid. How do i load that? :) |
| 16:16.25 | jelly | fooztha: modprobe hpilo |
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| 16:16.39 | floe | RIMAL: probably "apt-get install firmware-ipw2x00" |
| 16:17.01 | JyZyXEL | dd_rescue was what i was thinking |
| 16:17.03 | RIMAL | ok |
| 16:17.05 | jelly | fooztha: or verify if it's already loaded in lsmod output |
| 16:17.22 | floe | RIMAL: It's in non-free! so you have to add non-free in your sources.list |
| 16:17.44 | RIMAL | floe,how |
| 16:18.00 | fooztha | jelly yepp its loaded now, but now i get ACTION REQUIRED: Check if iLO and iLO driver is up and running. |
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| 16:19.19 | floe | RIMAL: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=howto+add+non-free+in+debian |
| 16:19.35 | RIMAL | ok thanks floe |
| 16:19.41 | RIMAL | thank u very much |
| 16:20.18 | floe | RIMAL: open /etc/apt/sources.list in a text-editor and add the section "non-free" after the sections "stable main contrib" it it's not already there |
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| 16:20.35 | stew | but hopefully "stable" doesn't actually appear there... |
| 16:20.47 | stew | should be something like "squeeze" or "lenny" instead |
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| 16:21.46 | floe | RIMAL: Than as root type "apt-get update" then "apt-get install firmware-ipw2x00 network-manager network-manager-gnome"... and please read the apt howto. No way you become a debian user without reading that! |
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| 16:22.10 | RIMAL | ok |
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| 16:24.06 | jhutchins_lt | From the BUGS section of man (8) apt: " This manpage isn't even started." |
| 16:24.09 | floe | RIMAL: I'm off.. good luck |
| 16:24.18 | RIMAL | thanks |
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| 16:24.30 | RIMAL | thnks floe |
| 16:24.40 | floe | RIMAL: you're welcome |
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| 16:24.49 | jhutchins_lt | RIMAL: You will want to read the manpages for apt-get or aptitude or both. |
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| 16:25.19 | Dink | Does anyone know if the "socks support" issue has been fixed with lftp. Where active transfer would failed if it was compiled in? |
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| 16:25.40 | Dink | I tried looking at the change logs but did not see anything |
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| 16:26.12 | lolnet | Hi, does anyone know which would be more stable - Debian unstable or Ubuntu 11.04? |
| 16:26.29 | jhutchins_lt | lolnet: Ubuntu. |
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| 16:26.52 | lolnet | So Ubuntu is a more up to date AND more stable distribution? |
| 16:26.54 | jhutchins_lt | lolnet: Totally different approach to how things are packaged. |
| 16:26.58 | lolnet | That confuses me... |
| 16:27.00 | jhutchins_lt | lolnet: No. |
| 16:27.06 | CyL | Hi, after enabling compiz alt+f2 doesn't work anymore, any advice on this? |
| 16:27.07 | frankie4c | jhutchins_lt: lolnet = troll? |
| 16:27.35 | jhutchins_lt | lolnet: Ubuntu's _releases_ are less stable than Debian's releases. Debian unstable is not a release, it's a pool of development software. |
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| 16:28.21 | jhutchins_lt | frankie4c: No, a lot of people coming from other distributions don't understand the difference in the way Debian does things. |
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| 16:28.34 | frankie4c | jhutchins_lt: wow, ok. i'm a convert from ubuntu myself, i love the apt system though |
| 16:28.35 | jhutchins_lt | frankie4c: They are constantly thinking they can install unstable just like it was an unreleased distribution. |
| 16:28.52 | frankie4c | ahh |
| 16:28.55 | jhutchins_lt | frankie4c: Been through my share of distros m'self. |
| 16:29.19 | lolnet | I know, but looking at Squeeze, the packages seem quite old. Basically I'm looking to trade some stability for new features/etc... |
| 16:29.24 | frankie4c | jhutchins_lt: me too, i really dislike what ubuntu is doing with gnome |
| 16:29.29 | lolnet | Just wondering where to draw the line. |
| 16:29.42 | jhutchins_lt | lolnet: Being older, they have had more time to be tested and patched and are therefore more stable. |
| 16:29.56 | frankie4c | lolnet: really, it doesn't matter. the 'features' you'll miss are ones you won't really miss i guess |
| 16:30.16 | johndo | lolnet: then testing may be a valuable choice, but not unstable |
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| 16:30.59 | jhutchins_lt | lolnet: Start with stable (squeeze). When you have become very familiar with managing packages and know how to roll back an update, if you want to contribute you can run testing - preferable in a dual-boot situation - in order to help find and fix bugs for the next release. |
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| 16:31.08 | frankie4c | and this is also strange, i can't connect to the internet using wireless :( heck i have to manually bring up usb so i can tether |
| 16:31.21 | frankie4c | nor do i see anywhere to enter wireless passwords |
| 16:31.40 | frankie4c | in lxde this is |
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| 16:32.23 | jhutchins_lt | frankie4c: I think there's a network-manager applet for lxde but I don't know for sure. For static connections you can just put everything in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 16:32.33 | jhutchins_lt | !tell frankie4c about wifi |
| 16:33.09 | jhutchins_lt | frankie4c: For additional info, /msg dpkg <keywords> |
| 16:34.13 | orzo | i recommend wpasupplicant and wpa_gui |
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| 16:34.32 | shrimpwagon | My RAID crapped out. It is failing to even recognize the RAID. How do I check to see if the drives are still good or which one is bad??? |
| 16:34.32 | orzo | i set ifupdown for a wpasupplicant-managed interface |
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| 16:35.18 | lolnet | I know stable is older and more stable, but I want to trade some of that for updates. But you're saying that testing and unstable are minefields? Whereas I read Ubuntu is based on Debian unstable - doesn't that mean it should be falling apart? Millions of people are using Firefox 4 without horrible problems. I'm just confused as to how new software can be so potentially dangerous. |
| 16:35.18 | krisfremen | hey, anyone knows of a utf8 capable cli http browser? |
| 16:35.32 | jelly | krisfremen: elinks |
| 16:35.46 | orzo | i hear unstable is particularly unstable at this time |
| 16:36.06 | engla_ | IMO debian testing is constantly usable |
| 16:36.15 | jelly | engla_: except when it's not |
| 16:36.37 | engla_ | jelly: I haven't had any incidents for a long while now |
| 16:36.42 | orzo | well i know multiarch is planned and they're likely to break stuff soon surely eh |
| 16:36.51 | frankie4c | thanks jhutchins_lt working through it now |
| 16:36.56 | jelly | or to put it another way, it's usable if you know when NOT to pull upgrades |
| 16:37.05 | shrimpwagon | Does the RAID disks still show up seperately under /dev/sda, /dev/sdb .... |
| 16:37.20 | stew | lolnet: "backports" is the recommended way of using stable but getting some more up to date packages: /msg dpkg backports |
| 16:38.39 | jhutchins_lt | lolnet: Millions of people are also having constant headaches with Firefox 4. |
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| 16:39.30 | jhutchins_lt | lolnet: When testing goes into freeze, a few months before release, it becomes much more practical to use it as a working release, but it can still be broken by new patches meant to fix something else. |
| 16:39.55 | orzo | well it also depends on your skillz |
| 16:39.58 | orzo | heh |
| 16:40.11 | jhutchins_lt | lolnet: Right now it's an open minefield because new packages that can break other packages are being dropped in just to see what they break. |
| 16:40.18 | orzo | if its for a desktop system and you can handle stuff breaking, its probably fine |
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| 16:41.17 | orzo | is there a website with a running feed on changes to to testing |
| 16:41.32 | lolnet | So if I want to be reasonably up to date I'm relegated to Ubuntu, basically? What Debian release is the stability of Ubuntu comparable to? |
| 16:41.45 | orzo | testing |
| 16:41.46 | orzo | lol |
| 16:42.06 | lolnet | Well, hutchins just said it was an open minefield of possible breakage - is Ubuntu that bad? |
| 16:42.18 | orzo | he said right now it is |
| 16:42.26 | stew | orzo: http://lists.debian.org/debian-testing-changes/ |
| 16:42.44 | orzo | i used to use testing for years |
| 16:42.57 | orzo | as sort of rolling distro |
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| 16:43.28 | orzo | its not bad if you arent a wuss |
| 16:43.31 | orzo | heh |
| 16:43.34 | engla_ | debian testing is not dangerous |
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| 16:43.57 | jelly | engla_: it is if you don't want to waste hours after an upgrade |
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| 16:44.41 | orzo | well |
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| 16:44.52 | johndo | lolnet: it depends what you want to do, if you want to learn how to manage the system, fix things yourself, ... testing may be ok |
| 16:44.52 | orzo | i've wasted plenty of hours after upgrades to ubuntu when i used that |
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| 16:45.03 | johndo | if you just want to have a running system, it is not |
| 16:45.09 | shrimpwagon | How do you list all devices??? |
| 16:45.24 | orzo | its not like ubuntu is some super magic system with a bunch of manpower on top of every little issue |
| 16:45.36 | jelly | shrimpwagon: /msg dpkg what's my hardware |
| 16:45.42 | jelly | shrimpwagon: I prefer lshw |
| 16:45.48 | lolnet | I know, orzo, but I'm trying to compare them. |
| 16:45.55 | orzo | i'm not sure theres a big difference |
| 16:46.01 | orzo | in hour wastage |
| 16:46.24 | orzo | but my experience might be biased by certain frustrations in my paste just prior to switching back to debian |
| 16:46.25 | jelly | ubuntu can save quite some time at the start |
| 16:46.28 | shrimpwagon | jelly: Will it list SATA drives attached to mobo??? |
| 16:46.36 | jelly | shrimpwagon: try it. |
| 16:46.48 | shrimpwagon | jelly: lshw? |
| 16:46.54 | jelly | yes |
| 16:46.56 | shrimpwagon | jelly: I don't have that command |
| 16:47.00 | jelly | !install it |
| 16:47.00 | dpkg | Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 16:47.09 | [bean] | how do i set my windows to maximize on double click on the title bar. im using xfce and i set it in the options but isnt working. |
| 16:47.28 | jelly | shrimpwagon: install it |
| 16:47.36 | shrimpwagon | jelly: I'm trying to determine if one of my RAID hds crapped out |
| 16:47.55 | jelly | shrimpwagon: hardware or software raid? |
| 16:47.55 | shrimpwagon | jelly: It won't even recognize /dev/md1 anymore |
| 16:48.02 | shrimpwagon | jelly: Linux software |
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| 16:48.25 | shoko_asahara | hi all |
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| 16:48.44 | shrimpwagon | jelly: I was getting I/O errors and I tried e2fsck but said it had a zero partition |
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| 16:49.01 | shrimpwagon | jelly: then after rebooting, it doesn't even mount or see the device |
| 16:49.03 | jelly | shrimpwagon: you'll have to learn your way with its mdadm tool. |
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| 16:49.07 | shoko_asahara | after installing Windows 7, one linux partition disapeared from my partition table! |
| 16:49.20 | shrimpwagon | jelly: I tried that and it doesn't even show up |
| 16:49.26 | shoko_asahara | how can I recover such partition? (/dev/sda9) |
| 16:49.36 | shoko_asahara | (on an extended partition) |
| 16:49.43 | orzo | try part |
| 16:49.52 | shoko_asahara | does not show as free space either. |
| 16:49.57 | shoko_asahara | it just disapeared... |
| 16:50.10 | bak1an | hi guys! have a question about ssh-agent in debian. http://paste.debian.net/plain/116748 just generated new keypair and already see it at ssh-add, even if i delete it with -D it still be there. I have not seen on other systems such behavior. is it something debian-specific? thank in any advance |
| 16:50.26 | jelly | shrimpwagon: tried what? It has a comprehensive manual and a number of parameters to scan available devices for MD data, to assemble partial arrays if told to, and similar things |
| 16:50.31 | orzo | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/gpart |
| 16:50.32 | shoko_asahara | I am going inasne, all my precios data is is such partition. |
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| 16:50.44 | orzo | ok, so gpart |
| 16:50.51 | shoko_asahara | orzo: gpart just hangs for 30 min, |
| 16:50.59 | shoko_asahara | does it require a long time? |
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| 16:51.05 | orzo | yes |
| 16:51.05 | orzo | a very long time |
| 16:51.08 | shoko_asahara | like? |
| 16:51.15 | orzo | hours |
| 16:51.23 | shoko_asahara | really? |
| 16:51.24 | orzo | and it will probably fail |
| 16:51.29 | orzo | it did for me |
| 16:51.31 | shoko_asahara | so? |
| 16:51.41 | shoko_asahara | what options do I have? |
| 16:52.24 | orzo | i think i'd give up |
| 16:52.36 | johndo | shoko_asahara: reload the backup ;) |
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| 16:52.45 | nsadmin | shoko_asahara: "precious" data should either be backed up or tossed in lava like the One Ring |
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| 16:52.51 | johndo | if windows has overwritten the partition space it's gone |
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| 16:53.27 | orzo | shoko_asahara: use a thiknpad? |
| 16:53.28 | shoko_asahara | I installed windows on /dev/sda1, I didn't touch sda9 |
| 16:53.45 | shrimpwagon | jelly: I hear you, It used to be on /dev/md1 |
| 16:53.55 | nsadmin | shoko_asahara: is there an sda9 now? |
| 16:54.04 | shrimpwagon | jelly: when I mdadm --detail /dev/md1 it just says No such file or directory |
| 16:54.04 | orzo | i recently did some factory reset on my thinkpad and lost linux of course, but i thought the UI would let me be more specific in what it did |
| 16:54.14 | johndo | shoko_asahara: when sda1 now use the space of the former sda9 the data are probably overwritten |
| 16:54.18 | shrimpwagon | jelly: Is like it totally disappeared |
| 16:55.04 | shoko_asahara | johndo: but how is possible that Windows has used /dev/sda9? |
| 16:55.22 | nsadmin | ask Bill Gates |
| 16:55.30 | johndo | shoko_asahara: because it's windows and does not know (respect) anything else? ;) |
| 16:55.53 | shoko_asahara | the thing is that /dev/sda has jjust disapeared. |
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| 16:56.05 | orzo | maybe it didnt like your partition table and decided to reorganize it |
| 16:56.07 | shoko_asahara | but does not appear any "free space" |
| 16:56.16 | nsadmin | it's possible if windows overwrote the partition table... it's possible if windows specifically deleted the partitions |
| 16:56.37 | Bushmills | "found linux. danger. must kill" |
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| 16:56.55 | orzo | if you just lost the partition table, let gpart run from some hours |
| 16:57.13 | nsadmin | "found linux. danger to easy income. crush! kill! destory!" |
| 16:57.15 | orzo | might as well let it run |
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| 16:57.18 | jhutchins_lt | Windows does nothing to preserve any other OS on the hardware, particularly non-Microsoft OSs. That's why it's usually recommended that you install it first. |
| 16:57.36 | johndo | Bushmills: don't overestimate it's intelligence, "found space, must use it all ..." :P |
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| 16:58.07 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: my win 7 installation kept and allowed current xp to be booted via a menu |
| 16:58.09 | jhutchins_lt | Installing any operating system without making a backup of your data first is unwise. |
| 16:58.35 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: and other partitions were left untouched. It used to be worse. |
| 16:58.42 | orzo | jhutchins_lt: some like to live dangerously |
| 16:58.46 | jhutchins_lt | jelly: Yes, I know NT and W95-XP could co-exist as well, but the installers vary. |
| 16:59.04 | Bushmills | how does "precious data" and "no backup" fit together anyway? |
| 16:59.25 | jelly | it's quite decent now except for the whole overwriting the boot loader thing, which is understandable |
| 16:59.27 | jhutchins_lt | jelly: I have seen installers for what was nominally the same version have a lot of variation in how much control they gave the user. |
| 17:00.24 | jhutchins_lt | shoko_asahara: What OS are you running now? What are you booting to? |
| 17:00.32 | jhutchins_lt | has an idea... |
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| 17:01.59 | shoko_asahara | sorry I am not at home |
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| 17:02.11 | shoko_asahara | I got other Debian installation |
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| 17:02.18 | shoko_asahara | maybe I can work it out from there |
| 17:02.33 | jhutchins_lt | shoko_asahara: How are you looking at the system? |
| 17:02.43 | jhutchins_lt | shoko_asahara: WHERE do you not see sda? |
| 17:02.54 | jhutchins_lt | shoko_asahara: Or sda9, and which is it? |
| 17:02.55 | xixor | yo everyone, a quick question: I am selling a headless debian server to someone, I am going to quickly install xorg on it so they can see it with a graphical environment, will xorg automatically dedue the resolution change when they go home and plug in a different monitor than I have? |
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| 17:03.19 | dondelelcaro | xixor: yes |
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| 17:03.52 | xixor | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks :) |
| 17:03.52 | shoko_asahara | fdisk /dev/sda shows no sda9 |
| 17:04.11 | shoko_asahara | but when I insatlled win7, I told it to use sda1, not sda9. |
| 17:04.18 | johndo | xixor: but may depend on the monitor, edid does not always work properly |
| 17:04.24 | xixor | johndo: ok, good to know |
| 17:04.26 | shoko_asahara | then used theinsatllation cd to reinstall grub (theold trick). |
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| 17:04.42 | shoko_asahara | and for my surprise..."sda9 just disappeared" wau! |
| 17:04.53 | dondelelcaro | yeah, assuming the monitor has been made in the past 10 years, it should work, though... |
| 17:05.01 | shoko_asahara | but noi extra free space, and sda1 has same apace as it used to have |
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| 17:05.30 | shoko_asahara | it's tru I like to live riskly, I didn't use to use condoms, and I got AIDS as a result, but now this... |
| 17:05.37 | Rienzilla | hmmm |
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| 17:06.04 | xixor | dondelelcaro: will the edid detection require kde/gnome at all? or is a part of xorg? |
| 17:06.26 | jhutchins_lt | shoko_asahara: I'd really like to know how you're running fdisk. Are you booting to the pre-existing Debian installation, or are you running fdisk in Windows? |
| 17:06.36 | johndo | shoko_asahara: sda1 has the same size as before, sda9 is gone and there is no free space doesn't fit together for me |
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| 17:06.50 | johndo | does any other partition size have changed? |
| 17:07.00 | shoko_asahara | no, I odn't think so |
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| 17:07.34 | shoko_asahara | I run fdisk from a preexisting debian, one that still works |
| 17:07.44 | Rienzilla | I use 2 debian boxes as iscsi targets. One other machine has mounted a lun on both of those targets, and is copying data from one to the other. The iscsi targets have no problem reading or writing data (< 5% system cpu cycles, 0% iowait). The systems are connected to an otherwise idle gigabit switch. Transfer is going at roughly 40M/s, and the client machine has 80% iowait. How do I find the bottleneck? |
| 17:07.45 | johndo | shoko_asahara: then there should be unused sectors on the extended partition |
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| 17:07.52 | shoko_asahara | I run like "fdisk /dev/sda" |
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| 17:08.01 | jhutchins_lt | shoko_asahara: Does the sum of the space on the partitions equal the size of the disk? |
| 17:08.03 | dondelelcaro | xixor: no, it's just part of xorg. |
| 17:08.08 | shoko_asahara | someone told me to try "fdisk -l" |
| 17:08.10 | xixor | dondelelcaro: great, thanks for your help |
| 17:08.18 | shoko_asahara | what is "fdisk -l" used for? |
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| 17:09.15 | nsadmin | man fdisk |
| 17:09.24 | nsadmin | look for -l |
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| 17:09.36 | shrimpwagon | How do I find all the UUIDs |
| 17:09.36 | frankie4c | hi, i have usb0, eth0 (wired) and eth2 (wireless) in /etc/network/interfaces, but neither auto start on boot |
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| 17:10.01 | nsadmin | shrimpwagon look in /dev/disk |
| 17:10.02 | frankie4c | it would also appear that i still can't connect via wifi - |
| 17:10.07 | shoko_asahara | List the partition tables for the specified devices and then exit. If no devices are given, those mentioned in /proc/partitions (if that exists) are used. |
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| 17:10.19 | johndo | shrimpwagon: blkid also may help |
| 17:10.23 | shoko_asahara | so it has to be in /proc/partitions |
| 17:10.24 | frankie4c | shrimpwagon: bmkid |
| 17:10.25 | c3l | ive installed auto-complete-el package for emacs via apt. however I cannot load the script, im getting "Cannot open load file: auto-complete-mode". bug? this should work after installing it via apt. |
| 17:10.31 | frankie4c | shrimpwagon: blkid |
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| 17:11.36 | shrimpwagon | It is no longer finder the UUID for my RAID |
| 17:11.50 | shrimpwagon | I get code 8 on fsck during boot |
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| 17:12.05 | shoko_asahara | how about using 3rd parties software to detect lost partitions? |
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| 17:13.14 | jhutchins_lt | shoko_asahara: Does the sum of the space on the partitions equal the size of the disk? |
| 17:13.27 | shoko_asahara | I am not at home |
| 17:13.32 | shoko_asahara | I'll try al ltghis later... |
| 17:13.44 | jhutchins_lt | shoko_asahara: Yes, please try again when you have access to the machine. |
| 17:14.16 | jhutchins_lt | shoko_asahara: Try fdisk -l and see if the sizes add up. |
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| 17:14.45 | jhutchins_lt | shoko_asahara: I would avoid using Windows on that system until you resolve this. |
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| 17:14.56 | shoko_asahara | ok |
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| 17:15.05 | shoko_asahara | thanks all for your attention |
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| 17:15.31 | johndo | shrimpwagon: maybe use an old PC with 2 old disks to set up a raid and get familiar with the mdadm commands before using it for sensible data |
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| 17:15.48 | shoko_asahara | see u later |
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| 17:16.22 | wooster | how do i tell make-kpkg to build an amd64 kernel? i'm currently running amd64, but it only will build i386 |
| 17:16.27 | wooster | on wheezy |
| 17:16.30 | zinx | protip for RAID5/6: don't even think about using dm-crypt with them on a multi-core machine :P |
| 17:17.17 | dvs | wooster: --arch |
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| 17:18.08 | wooster | i did --arch amd64 |
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| 17:18.43 | wooster | it says dpkg-architecture: warning: Specified GNU system type x86_64-linux-gnu does not match gcc system type i486-linux-gnu. |
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| 17:18.54 | wooster | i did --cross-compile - and it just gives me i386 |
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| 17:22.02 | carl-m | I am having trouble with google - how do I set the default text color in the console? |
| 17:22.56 | shrimpwagon | johndo: forget mdadm. I know how to use it. I don't even know if the system sees the SATA drives |
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| 17:23.25 | shrimpwagon | johndo: I do mdadm examine on /dev/sdb which should be one of the SATAs in the RAID and I get nothing at all |
| 17:23.39 | jhutchins_lt | carl-m: That would probably depend on what browser you're using. |
| 17:24.07 | carl-m | jhutchins_lt: console - vt1 |
| 17:24.51 | Computer | debian stable starts to boot up, and then in the middle of booting, the computer powers off without warning. happens when booting into single user mode as well http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba6Nm2_KBAA |
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| 17:25.44 | jhutchins_lt | Computer: Hardware. Something's overheating. |
| 17:25.58 | Computer | jhutchins_lt: it hasn't been on in over 20 hours |
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| 17:26.30 | ompaul | Computer: and the temp in the room? |
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| 17:28.30 | jhutchins_lt | Computer: Are all the fans working? Is everything seated properly? Has the dielectric thermal grease between the heatsink and the CPU been disturbed? Does a live CD have the same problem? Have you cleaned out the case and re-seated all cards and chips? Will memtest run? |
| 17:28.33 | ompaul | Computer: I had a computer that had a power fan fail - so you open it up all looks great it was not very powerful but it would seriously overheat - problem resolved by using an air displacement device to push air in though the back until a data was ported - sympthoms running at about 10% of its power |
| 17:28.52 | johndo | Computer: try to boot it from a live cd or usb stick and check if it's the same behaviour |
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| 17:29.31 | ompaul | Computer: other computer I had access to was a server that would disconnect from the world at certain times of the day - hard to diagnose out of hours until the room cooled down |
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| 17:30.06 | ompaul | woops while the room had cooled down - the environment of the machine can be funny and you have a lot of stuff stuck in that corner |
| 17:30.47 | Pnoexz | hey, i have the Debian installer on a usb drive that works as expected on another pc, but when i try to run it on mine, it says "Boot error" and loads the OS on the HDD. BIOS' boot priorities are set properly. Any ideas where i should start debugging this? |
| 17:31.04 | jhutchins_lt | It got over 80F here yesterday and my old desktop wouldn't play flash video. Probably need to clean the case out. |
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| 17:31.22 | ompaul | Pnoexz: use a different usb port |
| 17:31.26 | wols | phogg: your BIOS: usb hdd, usb fdd, usb cdrom. all bootable, all different |
| 17:31.51 | Pnoexz | ompaul: tried with 3 out of 6, different "sets" (i have 3 pairs, tried in one of each pair) |
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| 17:32.00 | jhutchins_lt | Pnoexz: See if there is an update for your BIOS. |
| 17:32.09 | ompaul | Pnoexz: and now try the other three |
| 17:32.38 | ompaul | Pnoexz: overhead about 5 mins result or not |
| 17:32.48 | shrimpwagon | If I did fdisk -l, it should list ALL hds attached to mobo, corrrect??? |
| 17:32.49 | Pnoexz | i did manage to install new OSs with the BIOS, i installed Ubuntu like a month ago, and Debian when Squeeze became stable |
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| 17:32.52 | Pnoexz | same way |
| 17:33.24 | Pnoexz | with the BIOS as it is* |
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| 17:34.05 | Pnoexz | ill try with all the other usb ports as suggested by ompaul, thanks for the answers |
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| 17:35.27 | shrimpwagon | I don't mean to repost but I am in a real tight bind here: If I did fdisk -l, it should list ALL hds attached to mobo, corrrect??? |
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| 17:35.36 | shrimpwagon | Please help |
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| 17:35.52 | xixor | dpkg helps those who help themselves |
| 17:35.53 | dpkg | wish i knew, xixor |
| 17:36.08 | djura-san | where are font aliases stored on debian? I wanna add new fonts but i cant do that since i cant find that file :\ |
| 17:36.13 | stew | shrimpwagon: sure |
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| 17:36.34 | shrimpwagon | stew: even if they aren't listed in fstab??? |
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| 17:37.06 | shrimpwagon | stew: I should be able to slap a new hd in the comp and do fdisk -l and it should show up...in theory??? |
| 17:38.12 | stew | shrimpwagon: it iterates through all the drives listed in /proc/partitions. it doesn't matter if they are in fstab or not |
| 17:38.26 | stew | shrimpwagon: yes, but I'd say maybe if you mean hotplug wihtout a reboot before the fdisk -l |
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| 17:38.30 | soa2ii | How can you get special characters working on a debian server? I would take an utf8 locale but http://wiki.debian.org/Locale says: If you have users who access the system through ssh, it is recommended that you choose None as your default locale. |
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| 17:39.40 | wooster | how do i tell make-kpkg to build an amd64 kernel? i'm currently running amd64, but it only will build i386 on wheezy |
| 17:39.47 | shrimpwagon | stew: My RAID is no longer mounting and I can't determine if it is a hardware problem |
| 17:39.56 | wooster | if i do --arch=amd64 it says dpkg-architecture: warning: Specified GNU system type x86_64-linux-gnu does not match gcc system type i486-linux-gnu. |
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| 17:40.14 | shrimpwagon | stew: I'm looking in dmesg but I can't decipher anything particular about any hard drives failing |
| 17:40.55 | shrimpwagon | stew: Wait....I see this....ata4: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300) |
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| 17:41.12 | shrimpwagon | stew: Same message for ata5 and ata6 |
| 17:41.37 | stew | shrimpwagon: does mdadm --scan find the array that didn't assemble? |
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| 17:43.09 | shrimpwagon | stew: I'm rebooting now. I'll let you know. I'm also getting an error during boot. Code 8 |
| 17:43.25 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 17:43.31 | Pnoexz | hey, its me again, tried all the usb ports and "playing" with BIOS set up. I still get the same Boot error message |
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| 17:43.56 | stew | shrimpwagon: "Code 8" by itself doesn't mean anything to me. where do you see it, what is the context... |
| 17:43.59 | shrimpwagon | stew: It says: fsck.ext2: Unable to resolve 'UUID=xxxxxx-xxxx--xxxxxxx'. fsck died with exit status 8 |
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| 17:44.07 | shrimpwagon | ....ext3 I mean |
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| 17:44.29 | shrimpwagon | stew: that UUID is the RAID /dev/md1 |
| 17:44.35 | stew | shrimpwagon: so its trying to fsck a partition listed in /etc/fstab, but that partition cannot be found |
| 17:44.46 | shrimpwagon | stew: I can comment it out in fstab and it will boot fine |
| 17:44.48 | stew | shrimpwagon: and if your raid isn't assembling, this would be expected, yet |
| 17:44.51 | stew | ^yet^yes |
| 17:45.09 | shrimpwagon | stew: ok, so how would I make it assemble? |
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| 17:45.31 | shrimpwagon | stew: Does this sound like a bad hd? If so, how would I even determine which one is bad??? |
| 17:45.48 | stew | 13:41 < stew> shrimpwagon: does mdadm --scan find the array that didn't assemble? |
| 17:46.03 | stew | you'd probably want --detail as well |
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| 17:46.46 | Pnoexz | so, is there another way to install Debian in my HD without usb drives or cdrom? |
| 17:46.50 | shrimpwagon | mdadm --scan |
| 17:46.50 | shrimpwagon | mdadm: --scan does not set the mode, and so cannot be the first option |
| 17:46.59 | stew | 13:46 < stew> you'd probably want --detail as well |
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| 17:47.38 | jhutchins_lt | !tell Pnoexz about ig |
| 17:47.47 | shrimpwagon | mdadm --detail /dev/md1 |
| 17:47.47 | shrimpwagon | no such file or directory |
| 17:47.51 | jhutchins_lt | Pnoexz: Several, see the guide. |
| 17:47.54 | stew | Pnoexz: netboott, hd-install, put the hard drive into a machine that does have usb drives or cdrom, debootstrap from an existing linux install on another partition... |
| 17:47.56 | Pnoexz | jhutchins_lt: thanks |
| 17:48.04 | shrimpwagon | stew: It should definitely be /dev/md1 |
| 17:48.17 | jhutchins_lt | shrimpwagon: But it isn't, that's the point. |
| 17:48.20 | stew | shrimpwagon: yeah, so that confirms (yet again) that it hasn't assembled |
| 17:48.30 | shrimpwagon | stew: gotcha |
| 17:48.37 | stew | shrimpwagon: does --scan find it? |
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| 17:50.49 | shrimpwagon | stew: uh, I don't think I'm doing the command correctly |
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| 17:51.03 | shrimpwagon | stew: keeps sying mdadm: --scan does not set the mode |
| 17:51.06 | stew | shrimpwagon: mdadm --detail --scan or mdadm --examine --scan |
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| 17:51.15 | stew | shrimpwagon: --detail sets the mode (as does --examine) |
| 17:51.29 | slooth | Hello, is there a way to measure GPU temperature without X11? (nvidia). Also, what could make GPU overheat while not using X11 at all? Thanks |
| 17:51.50 | stew | shrimpwagon: you can also "mdadm --examine /dev/whatever" for any whatver that you thihnk should be participating in the array |
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| 17:52.43 | shrimpwagon | stew: mdadm --examine /dev/md1 (or /dev/md0) - no such file or dri |
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| 17:52.48 | Babalau | http://www.clubulfoto.com/concurs/concursul-lunii-mai/f944648c |
| 17:53.10 | jhutchins_lt | slooth: lm-sensors |
| 17:53.16 | johndo | slooth: try nvclock, nvidia-settings, nvidia-smi |
| 17:53.21 | svg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:53.32 | svg | (oops, sorry) |
| 17:53.35 | stew | shrimpwagon: that confirms (yet again) that md1 didn't assemble yet |
| 17:54.15 | shrimpwagon | stew: So what now? How do I get it to assemble? How do I even determine if it can or if the disks are still good??? |
| 17:54.30 | stew | shrimpwagon: does --scan find it? |
| 17:54.45 | shrimpwagon | stew: No, --scan doesn't do anything |
| 17:55.21 | stew | shrimpwagon: what about using --examine instead of --detail? |
| 17:55.32 | shrimpwagon | stew: mdadm --detail --scan...does do anything |
| 17:55.46 | shrimpwagon | stew: Just takes me back to prompt |
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| 17:56.21 | stew | then check with --examine and --examine the individual components you expect to be participating in the array to see if you can find an inconsistency |
| 17:56.28 | shrimpwagon | root@fileserver:~# mdadm --detail --scan (enter) |
| 17:56.29 | shrimpwagon | root@fileserver:~# |
| 17:56.36 | Cryp71c | For applications (like web browsers, etc.) do they pull the default font to use from somewhere in particular? /etc/fonts/local.conf or ~/.fonts.conf by chance? |
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| 17:57.27 | jhutchins_lt | Cryp71c: Really depends on the browser. |
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| 17:57.52 | shrimpwagon | stew: Every device I try /dev/sdb, /dev/sdb1, /dev/sdc, /dev/sdc1 says no such file or dir |
| 17:57.55 | ompaul | Cryp71c: I'm sure your question has a context /etc/skel is a useful place to do "system wide" stuff in |
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| 17:58.04 | jhutchins_lt | Cryp71c: If it's integrated in a desktop environment (de) it should pull it's settings from the de settings. |
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| 17:58.47 | twanny796 | after apt-get installs a package does it store a list of files/directories it installed? |
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| 17:59.00 | stew | shrimpwagon: if you expect those devices to exist, and to be the devices part of the raid, then you need to first figure out why they no longer show up |
| 17:59.01 | rizzeh | dpkg has log |
| 17:59.02 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, rizzeh |
| 17:59.25 | shrimpwagon | stew: That's what I figured. How the heck do I do that? |
| 17:59.28 | Cryp71c | jhutchins_lt, well, I'm curious because I am a reddit user and the character reddit eyes (that are made out of unicode chars) don't display (it appears as box_box). I recently created a /usr/fonts/local.conf (among some other stuff) to try and address some font antialiasing I've been dissatisfied with. |
| 17:59.47 | shrimpwagon | stew: Is like all four drives disappeared |
| 17:59.56 | dvs | shrimpwagon: fdisk -l |
| 18:00.01 | twanny796 | rizzeh: where? |
| 18:00.03 | shrimpwagon | stew: I seriously doubt all four crapped out all at once |
| 18:00.18 | stew | shrimpwagon: then perhaps the controller they are connected to crapped out |
| 18:00.19 | johndo | shrimpwagon: and the controler is alive? |
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| 18:00.23 | shrimpwagon | dvs: fdisk -l only show the only device I have |
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| 18:00.31 | RichiH | updatedb is stuck... somewhere... how can i find out how? |
| 18:00.31 | stew | shrimpwagon: or the kernel module for the controller isn't loaded |
| 18:00.32 | jhutchins_lt | Cryp71c: On the other hand I use konversation for kde, have done nothing to configure the fonts, yet I get arabic script displayed right-to-left here. |
| 18:00.46 | RichiH | preferably without starting it again in strace |
| 18:00.53 | shrimpwagon | stew: How would I go about debugging that? |
| 18:00.53 | stew | strace -p pid? |
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| 18:01.04 | stew | shrimpwagon: what controller is it? |
| 18:01.09 | Cryp71c | jhutchins_lt, chrome here in openbox, unfortunately openbox is like a desert with regard to activity -_- |
| 18:01.11 | rizzeh | twanny796, /var/log |
| 18:01.17 | shrimpwagon | stew: I just Linux software |
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| 18:01.24 | shrimpwagon | stew: Not controller hardware |
| 18:01.29 | Cryp71c | jhutchins, are changes to /usr/fonts/local.conf immediate (eg, next time you launch the application) or does it require a reload of X? |
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| 18:01.32 | rizzeh | twanny796, /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 18:01.33 | twobitsprite | hmm... working on a freshly installed squeeze system, installed isc-dhcp-server, and it immediately fails to start: "dhcpdcheck syslog for diagnostics. ... failed!" |
| 18:01.36 | shrimpwagon | stew: Well, I guess it could be the mobo SATA controller |
| 18:01.41 | jhutchins_lt | !openbox |
| 18:01.41 | dpkg | [openbox] an X window manager, originally based on <Blackbox> 0.65.0, then rewritten in C, no code based on Blackbox since v3.0. http://wiki.debian.org/Openbox http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:FAQ http://www.openbox.org/ #openbox on irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:01.52 | frankie4c | hi everyone, in the lxde release, i think wicd should be included for wifi use |
| 18:01.56 | frankie4c | as per http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 18:02.23 | jhutchins_lt | Cryp71c: I use niether openbox nor chrome, no idea. |
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| 18:02.26 | Cryp71c | jhutchins_lt, was that for your own etification or were you trying to imply something to me about consulting them for support? My question seems pretty generic. |
| 18:02.39 | twobitsprite | frankie4c: you could file a bug |
| 18:02.45 | stew | shrimpwagon: if you don't have a hard drive controller there would be no way to see the drives |
| 18:02.47 | twanny796 | rizzeh: it doesn't say much, some other package management make a list of all files installed |
| 18:02.58 | stew | shrimpwagon: what sata controller does the motherboard have? |
| 18:03.04 | shrimpwagon | stew: Nothing changed on the mobo |
| 18:03.16 | jhutchins_lt | Cryp71c: Actually, I think your question is pretty specific to your combination of WM and browser. |
| 18:03.21 | stew | shrimpwagon: what controller did the motherboard have before nothing changed then |
| 18:03.23 | rizzeh | twanny796, i know, i believe apt needs log enabled, off default |
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| 18:03.52 | stew | shrimpwagon: if nothing has changed software wise since this was working, start checking connections with the cables (including power cables) first |
| 18:03.54 | dvs | suspects the Sandy Bridge problem |
| 18:04.00 | jhutchins_lt | It's a good thing hardware never just fails without warning and stops working for no apparent reaason. We'd all be pretty puzzled if that happened. |
| 18:04.12 | jhutchins_lt | I mean, what would happen if RAID controllers could fail? |
| 18:04.46 | frankie4c | also, where do i set the drives i want automounted? |
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| 18:05.06 | shrimpwagon | stew: Is kind of an older mobo like from 05 |
| 18:05.21 | shrimpwagon | stew: It has RAID itself but I have that turned off |
| 18:05.21 | ompaul | jhutchins_lt: did you ever see drives randomly written across in strange ways when you got a new controller? |
| 18:05.22 | stew | shrimpwagon: is all this a build-up to where you tell me what the controller is? |
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| 18:05.52 | ompaul | files randomly wrecked when compared with backups |
| 18:05.57 | shrimpwagon | stew: Haha, I don't know what the actual mobo SATA controller is |
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| 18:06.07 | twanny796 | rizzeh: where can I enable loggin ;) |
| 18:06.07 | stew | shrimpwagon: lspci would tell you |
| 18:06.17 | [bean] | im using debian xfce and i cant get the maximize to work in the windows manager gui. the setting keeps but it doesnt actually do anything |
| 18:06.21 | shrimpwagon | stew: Everything was working and then crapped out this morning |
| 18:06.22 | jhutchins_lt | ompaul: Never saw that one, they usually just couldn't assemble the drive because they were a new version and the old one was no longer made. |
| 18:06.41 | johndo | twanny796: /var/log/apt/* has nothing? |
| 18:06.49 | ompaul | jhutchins_lt: 6 month old never found out why |
| 18:07.14 | jhutchins_lt | ompaul: It was all RAID 5, so no way to recover without a working controller. |
| 18:07.16 | stew | twanny796: you can list the files installed with a package with "dpkg -L packagename" |
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| 18:07.45 | shrimpwagon | stew: Okay....what exactly am I looking for in lspci |
| 18:07.55 | stew | shrimpwagon: the hard drive controller |
| 18:08.07 | shrimpwagon | stew: PCI Bridge???? |
| 18:08.11 | stew | shrimpwagon: no |
| 18:08.18 | twanny796 | stew: ;) ok 10x |
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| 18:08.28 | stew | 10 OKs? |
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| 18:08.31 | shrimpwagon | stew: AH!!!...IDE Interface: nVidia Corp CK804 Serial ATA controller |
| 18:08.51 | stew | judd: pciname CK804 |
| 18:08.52 | judd | 'CK804' matched: [10de:0050] 'CK804 ISA Bridge' from 'nVidia Corporation', [10de:0051] 'CK804 ISA Bridge' from 'nVidia Corporation', [10de:0052] 'CK804 SMBus' from 'nVidia Corporation', [10de:0053] 'CK804 IDE' from 'nVidia Corporation', [10de:0054] 'CK804 Serial ATA Controller' from 'nVidia Corporation', [10de:0055] 'CK804 Serial ATA Controller' from 'nVidia Corporation', [10de:0056] |
| 18:08.54 | judd | 'CK804 Ethernet Controller' from 'nVidia Corporation', [10de:0057] 'CK804 Ethernet Controller' from 'nVidia Corporation', [10de:0058] 'CK804 AC'97 Modem' from 'nVidia Corporation', [10de:0059] 'CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller' from 'nVidia Corporation', [10de:005a] 'CK804 USB Controller' from 'nVidia Corporation', [10de:005b] 'CK804 USB Controller' from 'nVidia Corporation', [10de:005c] 'CK804 (1 more message) |
| 18:08.59 | twanny796 | 10x == thanks ? |
| 18:09.02 | romel | hi guys. I just removed fglrx and installed xserver-xorg-video-radeon. So do I need to edit my Xorg.conf manually or there's another right way to configure X to work with new driver? |
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| 18:09.08 | stew | twanny796: false |
| 18:09.24 | shrimpwagon | what the heck just happened?? |
| 18:09.29 | stew | judd: pciid 10de:0055 |
| 18:09.30 | judd | [10de:0055] is 'CK804 Serial ATA Controller' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'sata_nv', 'nvidiafb' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0055 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 18:09.46 | slooth | jhutchins, it says the sensor is disabled? How should I proceed? (lm-sensors) |
| 18:09.52 | wols | romel: usually, fglrx should take precedence IIRC. also, don't forget to install the non-free radeon firmware |
| 18:09.54 | rizzeh | twanny796, i don't know, try this http://tinyurl.com/6hobd5s |
| 18:10.21 | babilen | romel: You can probably just move the old xorg.conf somewhere else and try with no xorg.conf at all -- /msg dpkg empty xorg.conf -- also make sure you have firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-dri installed if you want hardware 3D acceleration |
| 18:10.23 | somiaj | romel: it depends, modern installs/systems xorg detects things automitcally so you can just start. If you already have an xorg.conf though it will override automatic detection so you will have to edit it. |
| 18:10.26 | stew | shrimpwagon: is the sata_nv module loaded? |
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| 18:11.00 | shrimpwagon | stew: Uhhh....now do I determine that??? |
| 18:11.13 | romel | thanks, guys |
| 18:11.13 | jhutchins_lt | slooth: /usr/share/doc/lm-sensors/README.Debian.gz &c. |
| 18:11.23 | stew | shrimpwagon: lsmod | grep sata_nv |
| 18:11.25 | shrimpwagon | *how? |
| 18:11.32 | jhutchins_lt | slooth: Need to run the detect script to set it up. |
| 18:11.37 | stew | shrimpwagon: lsmod | grep sata_nv |
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| 18:12.29 | shrimpwagon | stew: uh...this is what I got: |
| 18:12.29 | shrimpwagon | sata_nv 15398 0 |
| 18:12.29 | shrimpwagon | libata 115753 3 sata_nv,pata_amd_ata_generic |
| 18:12.49 | stew | shrimpwagon: so then I start checking phsyical cables |
| 18:12.57 | stew | ^I^I'd |
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| 18:13.32 | shrimpwagon | stew: soooo, hardware? |
| 18:13.59 | stew | shrimpwagon: i don't understand the question. if you are asking if physical cables are hardware, then uh, yes |
| 18:14.47 | dvs | runs is "cable" program |
| 18:14.53 | shrimpwagon | stew: right, sorry. Lets say....in theory, the SATA ...rail?...on the power supply crapped out. Would all of this ^ make total sense??? |
| 18:15.09 | Computer | jhutchins_lt: i checked the CPU and PSU fans and they are working. the only thing that seems kinda hot is the onboard nvidia chip, which might be the northb bridge or something. the livecd crashes too |
| 18:15.12 | stew | shrimpwagon: are you currently booted from a sata disk? |
| 18:15.33 | shrimpwagon | stew: NO!!! It is actually booting from a seperate IDE (molex) drive |
| 18:15.37 | stew | shrimpwagon: are ANY sata disks in the machine working? |
| 18:15.57 | shrimpwagon | stew: That's just it, I don't know if the stat disks are physically working |
| 18:16.11 | stew | then yes |
| 18:16.18 | shrimpwagon | stew: ah, hah |
| 18:16.44 | shrimpwagon | stew: I wasn't yelling when I said NO!!! I just had an epiphany |
| 18:16.48 | stew | shrimpwagon: and your sata controller being broken would explain it |
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| 18:17.16 | shrimpwagon | stew: right, right, so either the physical SATA conroller on the board OR the power supply for that SATAs |
| 18:17.18 | stew | shrimpwagon: it also might be diagnostic to see what the sata controller prints during POST |
| 18:17.28 | slooth | Thanks jhutchins |
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| 18:17.36 | shrimpwagon | stew: ah, what should I look for??? |
| 18:17.49 | shrimpwagon | stew: should I disable quick boot??? |
| 18:18.13 | stew | shrimpwagon: i don't know |
| 18:18.18 | stew | shrimpwagon: i don't know what quick boot is |
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| 18:19.14 | shrimpwagon | stew: What positives or negatives should I look for during boot??? |
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| 18:20.00 | stew | shrimpwagon: if it said "ata1 is currently on fire" that would be negative |
| 18:20.13 | shrimpwagon | stew: haha, come on now |
| 18:20.16 | stew | i have no idea, just see if you can find any information |
| 18:20.21 | stew | like it sees drives, it doesn't |
| 18:20.42 | stew | or just forget it. i'm just telling you what I would do |
| 18:20.58 | twobitsprite | has anyone recently installed isc-dhcp-server on squeeze? I'm getting this error trying to start the server: dhcpdcheck syslog for diagnostics. ... failed! |
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| 18:21.51 | stew | twobitsprite: i recently installed it on squeeze! |
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| 18:22.40 | twobitsprite | stew: no such error when starting it? |
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| 18:22.59 | jhutchins_lt | Computer: re-seat ram, run memtest |
| 18:23.23 | jeffmoss | anybody know what it means if I'm trying to install libxml2-dev 2.6.32.dfsg-5+lenny1 and the only thing my mirror has available is libxml2-dev_2.6.32.dfsg-5+lenny3_i386.deb |
| 18:23.24 | engla_ | anyone know how I can subscribe to debian bugs for a specific package? |
| 18:23.30 | Computer | good idea jhutchins_lt |
| 18:23.36 | stew | twobitsprite: nope |
| 18:23.48 | jhutchins_lt | shrimpwagon: Does the BIOS see the drives? |
| 18:23.50 | shrimpwagon | stew: the post goes way too fast to see anything |
| 18:23.50 | jeffmoss | what is lenny1 vs lenny3 ? (Yes I know it's obsolete) |
| 18:23.56 | twobitsprite | stew: hmm... ok, thanks |
| 18:24.04 | stew | jeffmoss: prehaps that you should be looking at the security mirror instead of the main mirror |
| 18:24.05 | shrimpwagon | jhutchins: how would I know that? |
| 18:24.20 | jeffmoss | stew: security? |
| 18:24.25 | jeffmoss | stew: I'm new to Debian |
| 18:24.50 | jhutchins_lt | shrimpwagon: Sorry, lunch in other hand. Boot, go to BIOS, it should detect and list the drives. |
| 18:24.55 | jeffmoss | am I running a non-standard release or something? |
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| 18:25.09 | stew | jeffmoss: what is "my mirror" that you are referring to? |
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| 18:25.36 | jeffmoss | stew: the mirror in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 18:25.49 | jhutchins_lt | shrimpwagon: It usually flashes a list of them but goes too fast during normal boot. |
| 18:26.00 | stew | jeffmoss: its a standard release currently labelled "oldstable" meaning that although its not current, we are still providing security updates for it. the thing you are trying to get is a security update |
| 18:26.05 | stew | jeffmoss: and what mirror is that? |
| 18:26.18 | stew | jeffmoss: is there a security.debian.org mirror in there. if not there should be |
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| 18:26.26 | jeffmoss | deb http://mirrors.xmission.com/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 18:26.31 | shrimpwagon | jhutchins_lt: ah, yeah, says None for First, Second, Third and Fourth SATA Master |
| 18:26.39 | allure | I bought myself a new notebook and I'm going to give my old one to my father. I used the recovery to reinstall windows from Sony but grub is still installed. Now I booted with debian-netinst to remove grub... how do I proceed to remove it? |
| 18:27.00 | stew | jeffmoss: /msg dpkg lenny security |
| 18:27.00 | jeffmoss | stew: not sure, trying to install libxml2-dev |
| 18:27.03 | jeffmoss | Err http://mirrors.xmission.com lenny/main libxml2-dev 2.6.32.dfsg-5+lenny1 |
| 18:27.03 | jeffmoss | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.05 | jhutchins_lt | shrimpwagon: Sounds like hardware failure to me. Do the drives appear to spin up? |
| 18:27.30 | shrimpwagon | jhutchins_lt: This is probably a real stupid question but how would I determine that??? |
| 18:27.31 | stew | judd: versions libxml2-dev |
| 18:27.32 | judd | Package libxml2-dev on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.32.dfsg-5+lenny3; lenny-security: 2.6.32.dfsg-5+lenny3; squeeze: 2.7.8.dfsg-2; sid: 2.7.8.dfsg-2+b1; wheezy: 2.7.8.dfsg-2+b1 |
| 18:27.41 | kwk | hey all. I've installed debian 6.0.1a on my desktop pc with a Wifi USB Stick only (no cable network access). How can I get internet access? I have used ubuntu for a long time and I'm missing the NetworkManager. |
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| 18:27.53 | allure | in order words, I want to remove grub from the MBR to allow windows to boot so my dad can use this notebook |
| 18:28.04 | stew | jeffmoss: ok, so yeah, +lenny3 is on both lenny and lenny-security, the lenny1 version you are trying to install is no longer there since it was replaced (for security reasons) by lenny3 |
| 18:28.21 | stew | !lenny security |
| 18:28.21 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Lenny. To find out what has changed, ask me about <d-s-a> and <apt-listchanges>. |
| 18:28.21 | wols | check with iwconfig first if you have a wlan interface, ie if the driver for your wlan works as intended |
| 18:28.24 | stew | jeffmoss: do that ^^ |
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| 18:28.32 | stew | jeffmoss: (what dpkg said) |
| 18:28.42 | jeffmoss | stew: thanks much |
| 18:28.51 | wols | allure: you cannot remove a bootloader. all you can do is overwrite it with another one |
| 18:29.07 | allure | wols: cant I use dd to let windows boot by itself? |
| 18:29.08 | johndo | jeffmoss: did you do an apt-get update (or aptitude update) before trying to install? |
| 18:29.09 | wols | allure: fixmbr from windows is what you need |
| 18:29.10 | stew | jeffmoss: the fact that you are trying to get lenny1 instead of lenny3 means you haven't run "apt-get update" or "aptitude update" recently |
| 18:29.14 | wols | allure: no you can't |
| 18:29.33 | shrimpwagon | stew: Did you see my answer to jhutchins_lt ? |
| 18:29.34 | allure | wols: how can I access fixmbr from windows when I cant boot it? is there a livecd available somewhere? |
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| 18:30.15 | wols | allure: there are windows cds. you can use them |
| 18:30.16 | jhutchins_lt | Why not just have grub default to windows? |
| 18:30.23 | [bean] | im using debian xfce and i cant get the maximize to work in the windows manager gui. the setting keeps but it doesnt actually do anything |
| 18:30.34 | allure | jhutchins_lt: because linux is no more already on the hdd |
| 18:30.38 | stew | shrimpwagon: use your ears |
| 18:30.50 | shrimpwagon | What is more likely, the power supply not working for the SATA plugs or the SATA controller fartin out? |
| 18:30.55 | shrimpwagon | stew: haha, ok, ty |
| 18:30.59 | frankie4c | that's a point, when i upgrade the kernel it adds yet another entry into grub - where do i edit to remove this extra entries? |
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| 18:31.18 | jhutchins_lt | shrimpwagon: Sorry, still multitasking. |
| 18:31.19 | jeffmoss | stew: ah, I was confused about apt-get update vs apt-get upgrade |
| 18:31.26 | jeffmoss | didn't want to break all of my software |
| 18:31.27 | jeffmoss | :) |
| 18:31.44 | johndo | frankie4c: remove the old kerenel after reboot and the entry should diminish automatically |
| 18:31.46 | jhutchins_lt | shrimpwagon: Listen, feel. Hold the drive. if it's unmounted and you move it around you should feel the gyroscopic effect. |
| 18:31.49 | stew | jeffmoss: update is "get a new list of what is available" upgrade is "install new versions of the stuff I already have installed" |
| 18:31.50 | wols | frankie4c: remove the old kernel. you can edit grub.cfg or rewrite the script files building grub.cfg, but I wouldn't bother |
| 18:31.57 | frankie4c | johndo: how do i remove the old kernel? |
| 18:32.17 | wols | frankie4c: you remove it like any other package with apt |
| 18:32.26 | johndo | frankie4c: dpkg -P, apt-get purge, aptitude purge, whatever you prefer |
| 18:32.31 | stew | jeffmoss: since you are on oldstable, the only thing "upgrade" should be upgrading is security patches |
| 18:32.35 | frankie4c | ah, ok, thanks |
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| 18:33.57 | initself | i was suprised to see Debian using unicode quotes when printing the name of a file downloaded |
| 18:34.03 | initself | why wouldn't it use regular quotes? |
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| 18:36.42 | stew | initself: where do you see this? |
| 18:37.03 | initself | i saw this when i downloaded a file via wget |
| 18:37.16 | initself | when it printed the filename |
| 18:37.34 | shrimpwagon | I got 5 drives all stacked on top of each other. They are all fairly warm. You think they burned up? |
| 18:37.43 | stew | initself: hmm, i get ascii quotes from wget |
| 18:37.54 | initself | exactly, i was suprised! |
| 18:38.01 | initself | tries again. |
| 18:38.29 | initself | look at this |
| 18:38.30 | initself | 2011-05-12 11:38:21 (1.47 MB/s) - .IMG_20110105_221955.jpg. saved [1168390/1168390] |
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| 18:38.40 | johndo | gets those funny quotes too |
| 18:38.40 | initself | any ideas? |
| 18:38.47 | johndo | after Saving to: |
| 18:39.57 | wols | !any idea |
| 18:39.57 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of ground beef, a little WD-40, and 42 rabid platypuses. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 18:40.12 | initself | oh dpkg |
| 18:40.37 | stew | initself: if you run "LANG=C wget http:whatever" you get ascii quotes? |
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| 18:41.30 | initself | yes, but they are weird! |
| 18:41.31 | initself | `IMG_20110105_221955.jpg' |
| 18:41.40 | initself | why would it give me a backtick and a single quote? |
| 18:41.45 | stew | initself: yeah, that's gnu quotelib |
| 18:42.04 | initself | stew: what do you think about all this? |
| 18:42.21 | stew | initself: so its trying to give you a locale apropriate set of quote marks |
| 18:42.33 | stew | initself: it seems to be working as intended |
| 18:42.37 | initself | i guess as long as its intelligent, great! |
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| 18:43.24 | johndo | initself: if that's the most serious problem you have your squeeze is running fine :P |
| 18:43.42 | initself | ;) |
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| 18:47.18 | stew | ah, when I run wget in a gnome-terminal instead of xterm i get the fancy quotes |
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| 18:47.51 | johndo | stew: i get them also in an xterm |
| 18:47.59 | johndo | probably some font magic :) |
| 18:48.59 | stew | ah, yes, both quotes and the ascii double quote have the same glyph in my xterm font |
| 18:49.02 | initself | fancy! |
| 18:49.24 | stew | so I was getting them in xterm but not knowing it |
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| 18:52.13 | Abs0lem | Aye, if got a little question about Debian ? --help |
| 18:52.24 | Computer | hi Abs0lem just ask |
| 18:52.40 | Abs0lem | wanne kick my windows finally from my mainsystem |
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| 18:52.53 | Abs0lem | it´s an intel i5 quad |
| 18:53.11 | Abs0lem | is the IA64 right for an Intel x64 system |
| 18:53.16 | Abs0lem | ? |
| 18:53.18 | iateadonut | yes, that'd be fine. |
| 18:53.22 | cahoot | amd64 |
| 18:53.26 | Abs0lem | okay nice one ^^ |
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| 18:53.39 | cahoot | !ia64 |
| 18:53.39 | dpkg | [ia64] Intel Architecture-64 (IA-64) is a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as <Itanium> and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>. |
| 18:53.45 | Abs0lem | ah ^^ |
| 18:53.48 | Abs0lem | yes =P |
| 18:53.49 | iateadonut | ah. |
| 18:54.03 | Abs0lem | wasn´t really shure |
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| 18:54.44 | Abs0lem | is theire an option to make diffrent partions in the dvd image? It may be isn´t it? |
| 18:54.58 | iateadonut | are the packages for 64-bit tested as well as the 32-bit? a few years ago, ooffice didn't work for 64. |
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| 18:55.52 | Abs0lem | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.57 | Abs0lem | good question |
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| 18:55.59 | Abs0lem | ... |
| 18:56.00 | Abs0lem | ^^ |
| 18:56.19 | iateadonut | i have a server running 64, but when i tried 64 as a desktop, things just didn't work right (graphical programs that you need on a desktop) |
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| 18:57.11 | iateadonut | i guess Abs0lem can dual boot a few debian systems and then report back to us. |
| 18:57.32 | Abs0lem | yeah maybe sounds lieke an idea |
| 18:57.35 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 18:57.37 | Abs0lem | ;) |
| 18:58.09 | Abs0lem | so only ´ve got to run a few backup services for modzilla thingys |
| 18:58.23 | Abs0lem | and the i GONNA kill it *jump ^^ |
| 18:58.29 | Abs0lem | +n |
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| 18:58.48 | iateadonut | just leave it on until it breaks by itself. |
| 18:59.03 | iateadonut | unless you really need the hard drive space. |
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| 18:59.18 | Abs0lem | wait for this moment years but the wine demo at the linux day in berlin was very fine and yeah ... no more reason to have the M$ crap =P as a home system |
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| 18:59.52 | jaundice | guys - we are trying to do ifenslave bond0 but we are getting "got invalid string as an abi version from the bonding module" - any idea whtas wrong ? google aint too helpful on the msg |
| 18:59.56 | iateadonut | are you sure debian is best for a desktop? have you looked at the other distro's? |
| 19:00.06 | Abs0lem | ill maybe make an new partion with it maybe but actually the home idd is a big NTSF block |
| 19:00.15 | Abs0lem | Yeah i did |
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| 19:00.18 | ragnar76 | hi again |
| 19:00.27 | Abs0lem | worked with some linux things at work an lerand it to |
| 19:00.29 | adminewb1 | i'm told debian is better for hosting vm's, but no idea why that would be |
| 19:00.36 | Abs0lem | stayed on windows cause the games |
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| 19:00.52 | Abs0lem | +o |
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| 19:01.09 | ragnar76 | i have added this line >>> T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 19200 vt52 <<< in /etc/inittab for a nullmodem connection. do i have to restart init or does it work just this way? |
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| 19:02.10 | ketsa | I installed squeeze i686 32 bit on my atom netbook, but just learned n455 are 64 bit capable. shall I reinstall ? |
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| 19:02.35 | johndo | ragnar76: kill -1 1 |
| 19:02.42 | johndo | to make it reload inittab |
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| 19:03.58 | johndo | ketsa: i guess your netbook does not have more than 2GB of RAM, so it's probably better to stay with 32 bit |
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| 19:04.24 | johndo | unkess you really need 64bit features ;) |
| 19:04.45 | jhutchins_lt | ketsa: If you wanted to go to 64 you would have to reinstall. |
| 19:05.06 | Black_Prince | Even if you have more than 4+GB of ram you can still use 32 bit, but with PAE enabled, which can address up to 64GB of ram |
| 19:05.16 | shrimpwagon | Yeah, you should have at least 4 GB for 64 bit imo |
| 19:05.42 | adminewb1 | are there scientific math performance advantages to using amd64 over i386? |
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| 19:06.23 | Black_Prince | adminewb1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit#32-bit_vs_64-bit |
| 19:06.37 | ketsa | ok thanks all, i ll keep it as is. almost everything (except some fn keys) works after the install, I am impressed. |
| 19:06.41 | johndo | adminewb1: when you really mean i386, then yes, not sure if also for amd64 vs i686 |
| 19:06.48 | adminewb1 | thanks Black_Prince |
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| 19:07.38 | Syrex | Is there a way I can log/review which ssh key was used to authenticate a login? |
| 19:07.42 | Syrex | Using multiple public keys in /root/.ssh/authorized_users and want to have the authenticated key's comment logged somewhere... |
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| 19:09.09 | shrimpwagon | /var/log/user.log ??? |
| 19:09.38 | jhutchins_lt | auth log show show user ID. |
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| 19:12.07 | Syrex | That only shows user ID which would always be 0... |
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| 19:13.30 | jhutchins_lt | Syrex: You should probably disable root login, let users log in then use su - or sudo. |
| 19:13.59 | shrimpwagon | jhutchin_lt: Is that necessary on a dev or personal box? |
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| 19:15.10 | Syrex | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:16.07 | shrimpwagon | Syrex: I would think that info has got to be in /var/log somewhere |
| 19:16.27 | Arrowmaster | i dont think thats logged |
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| 19:16.50 | jhutchins_lt | You might be able to adjust the logging level in the sshd config file. |
| 19:16.58 | Syrex | shrimpwagon: Can't find it though, 'last' also doesn't show anything... |
| 19:17.24 | Syrex | jhutchins_lt: Thanks for the tip... I'll have a look... |
| 19:17.33 | shrimpwagon | omg, I just cat a file and now my command line is all in extended chars |
| 19:17.41 | spm_Draget | I used dpkg-reconfigure to set my locales. It somehow stopped responding in the middle (ssh messup?). Anyhow, now when I run it, it get lots of errors... it sets the locale but the errors still worry me: http://dpaste.com/541736/ |
| 19:17.54 | shrimpwagon | how do I reset the display? |
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| 19:20.05 | johndo | spm_Draget: you only have installed and activated locale en_US.UTF-8 for your system, but you have set a german locale in your user environment somewhere |
| 19:20.22 | johndo | that doesn't fit, re-run dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:20.37 | johndo | and enable the german locales |
| 19:20.41 | spm_Draget | aptitude remembers which packages I choose to install. Can I reinstall a package (libc-bin in the hope to fix my locales) without aptitude noting it down? |
| 19:20.44 | johndo | or remove the environment settings |
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| 19:21.13 | Computer | jhutchins_lt: 95% done with the first test, no errors yet. its not crashing while using memtest86+ |
| 19:21.15 | johndo | spm_Draget: you don't need to reinstall packages |
| 19:21.57 | johndo | Computer: i guess you have a hardware incompatibility |
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| 19:21.58 | spm_Draget | johndo: Yup, I just saw it, thanks. Fixed now. And yet, it would not harm to know the answer to my question :P |
| 19:22.02 | spm_Draget | Incase I need it anotehr time |
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| 19:22.46 | johndo | Computer: try to disable acpi and such features at boot time |
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| 19:22.49 | johndo | a live cd may be a good thing to try out different options |
| 19:22.54 | Computer | good idea ill try that johndo |
| 19:22.57 | Computer | johndo: livecd crashed too |
| 19:23.07 | Computer | and the recovery mode on the debian cd |
| 19:23.17 | mernilio | Hello! Im about to re-install my linux system. Do i have to use dhcpcd if im only going wireless right now? |
| 19:23.49 | johndo | Computer: live cds often have a nice help screen with boot options to tell you what can be disabled at boot |
| 19:24.25 | Computer | yeah i could try that with grub too i guess |
| 19:24.26 | jhutchins_lt | mernilio: dhcp gets network information from a server on the network (often the firewall/router). |
| 19:24.29 | Computer | ill try it johndo |
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| 19:24.58 | jhutchins_lt | mernilio: Usually it's part of the wifi system, but you can also configure it manually with static information (or dynamic if you're a masochist). |
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| 19:25.27 | jhutchins_lt | I have yet to find a good, thorough reference on kernel boot options. |
| 19:25.38 | mernilio | jhutchins_lt: well, im a sasorchist .. to some extent :-) .. but y ou dont have to use it rigth? |
| 19:26.16 | johndo | spm_Draget: what do you mean with "noting it down"? reinstall doesn't change the package status, so yes you can reinstall a package without breaking dependencies to other packages, if that's what you mean |
| 19:26.20 | Syrex | SSH tectia supports logging the authenticated SSH keys's comment and fingerprint, is this available in OpenSSH? |
| 19:26.24 | Syrex | http://www.tectia.com/manuals/server-zos-admin/60/User_Authentication_-_Public_Key.html |
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| 19:27.04 | mernilio | the dhcpc thingie? it doesnt matter .. but thanks for your answer.. i just thoght debians was filled with noobs, filled with bullskit. |
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| 19:27.22 | mernilio | With love of course! ^ |
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| 19:27.55 | spm_Draget | johndo: Imagine a hardware faul corrupts a file of some dependency. I want to reinstall this dependency without it being a 'selected package' or whatever it is called in debian. In gentoo those are the packages in the world file and one can (re)install things without changing the wroldfile with the option --oneshot or -1 |
| 19:27.57 | dualboot | shrimpwagon: reset on the command line should reset that. |
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| 19:28.11 | shrimpwagon | dualboot: yup, that was it, ty |
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| 19:28.21 | jhutchins_lt | spm_Draget: Reinstall it then markauto |
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| 19:29.35 | johndo | jhutchins_lt: as far as i can see at least aptitude is smart enough to not change the autoinstall status on an reinstall |
| 19:29.38 | kurohyou | Hi, when making raid 1, why should i use 'Linux raid autodetect ' instead of 'linux' type partition on my disks, it seems to work either way, are there advantages with either one? |
| 19:29.56 | jhutchins_lt | Depends I suppose whether you auto reinstall or manually purge/install |
| 19:30.10 | mernilio | I used to use debian, but i did not like apt, i hated it, its stupid! Debian has the right thinking, but apt sucks! |
| 19:30.16 | jhutchins_lt | I think Debian is one of the few distros to have a reinstall option, sometimes I forget it's there. |
| 19:31.01 | johndo | mernilio: wow, i rather consider apt/aptitude a main reason to use debian ;) |
| 19:32.00 | jhutchins_lt | mernilio: I've found that many people with that attitude don't really understand how to use it. |
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| 19:32.02 | mernilio | johndo: i dont think so my friend, ur filled with such .. <......> ;-) |
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| 19:32.33 | fenmanm | how can i install sid packages in 6.0? |
| 19:32.33 | jhutchins_lt | mernilio: Obfuscated incivility is still uncivil. |
| 19:32.45 | themill | mernilio: please take a break from #debian and be more signal and less noise when you come back |
| 19:33.10 | themill | dpkg: tell fenmanm about backport |
| 19:33.25 | themill | fenmanm: directly doing so is rarely a good idea. Look for or make a backport instead. |
| 19:33.35 | johndo | spm_Draget: btw, to prevent things from stopping in the middle of an action you can do remote work in a screen session |
| 19:34.15 | spm_Draget | jhutchins_lt: aptitude install --markauto <package> ? |
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| 19:34.30 | fenmanm | themill : need haskell plattform 2011 but there is no backport for it |
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| 19:35.39 | Computer | johndo: the acpi=off option didn't help. and the ubuntu livecd crashes before it gets to that menu sometimes |
| 19:36.09 | themill | fenmanm: that sounds like a set of packages that wouldn't be that easy to backport, too. You might need to work in a chroot for this (/msg dpkg schroot) or consider dist-upgrading to testing (/msg dpkg testing; /msg dpkg moving target) |
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| 19:36.50 | fenmanm | themill : dist upgrading sounds good ty |
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| 19:37.23 | kurohyou | Hi, when making raid 1, why should i use 'Linux raid autodetect ' instead of 'linux' type partition on my disks, it seems to work either way, are there advantages with either one? |
| 19:37.30 | themill | fenmanm: you could well be in for a bumpy ride at times. Make sure you're prepared for that. |
| 19:37.33 | johndo | Computer: acpi only was an example, there are more hardware tests you can try to disable at boot which may be harmfull in case of uncommon hardware |
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| 19:38.10 | johndo | i don't know the ubuntu live cd, i often use grml, it has a lot of boot options for such tests |
| 19:38.49 | Computer | well single-user mode is supposed to disable most or all of those isn't it, johndo ? |
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| 19:39.16 | johndo | Computer: mo, singel user and multiuser only starts after the kernel is loaded |
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| 19:39.26 | johndo | boot options change what the kernel does |
| 19:39.32 | Computer | yeah |
| 19:39.39 | Computer | and single user mode is a set of kernel options |
| 19:40.05 | johndo | ah ok, as i said, i don't know what the ubuntu cd is doing exactly |
| 19:40.23 | Computer | well im referring to the debian installation on the computer already |
| 19:40.30 | Computer | it crashes when selecting single-user mode also |
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| 19:41.07 | johndo | kurohyou: that's a somewhat controversal discussed question at the mdadm fol;ks, check their mailing lists when you really want |
| 19:41.15 | arghh2d2 | Christian Marillat, thanks for adding shorten to the multimedia repo, whereever you are |
| 19:42.01 | johndo | i prefer not to use the autodetect (which isn't supported anyway with the newer raid formats) and use mdadm to expolicitly assembel the raid devuices |
| 19:42.10 | Computer | i wonder if the motherboard is just bad, |
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| 19:42.15 | Computer | if i can't boot in single-user mode, im not sure its usable |
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| 19:42.32 | Computer | do you think am i right in thinking about it this way |
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| 19:42.58 | johndo | Computer: that may of course be the reason |
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| 19:43.22 | johndo | although, when memtest is running fine for a longer while it seems to be ok |
| 19:43.32 | Computer | yeah |
| 19:43.33 | Computer | exactly |
| 19:43.44 | Computer | but memtest probably doesn't use very much of the computer |
| 19:43.59 | Computer | whereas the kernel in single-user mode might use whatever is broken |
| 19:44.12 | johndo | Computer: i had an old dell laptop which did show exactlythe same behaviour you have wityh your pc |
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| 19:44.24 | Computer | can i turn off any more things beyond what single-user turns off? |
| 19:44.38 | Computer | johndo: what was your diagnosis |
| 19:44.43 | Computer | did you throw it in a lake |
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| 19:44.56 | johndo | the problem were that something in the kernel was probing some ports, which thew system did not honor and powered off |
| 19:45.06 | shrimpwagon | jhutchins_lt: stew: Yeah, the hard drives spin up. I think it is the mobo SATA controller which is bad |
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| 19:45.14 | johndo | disabling these ports from beeing probed solved the problem |
| 19:45.42 | jhutchins_lt | shrimpwagon: Sad but likely given what you've told us. Check the connections, of course. |
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| 19:46.16 | Computer | how did you do that johndo |
| 19:46.21 | shrimpwagon | jhutchins_lt: I did, they mint. This fileserver was the worst setup ever |
| 19:46.36 | johndo | Computer: yes, maybe download the grml live cd and check page 2 or 3 on the boot screen, there are several hardware porbing options listed, which you can try to swiutch off |
| 19:46.58 | johndo | Computer: http://grml.org/ |
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| 19:47.39 | Computer | cool johndo thanks |
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| 19:50.01 | adminewb1 | on squeeze LiveCD, what would be the kernel option for booting from a loopback ISO image? |
| 19:51.27 | Abs0lem | exist a special german chatroom? |
| 19:51.32 | ompaul | !de |
| 19:51.33 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 19:52.07 | ita0 | I have a problem in apt-get.. see here http://pastebin.com/q8M7Qwi9 any help? |
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| 19:53.51 | dawud | ita0: dpkg-maintscript-helper is part of dpkg, does /usr/bin/dpkg-maintscript-helper exists and is executable? |
| 19:54.07 | \amethyst | ita0: sounds like you're trying to install an unstable package in lenny ? |
| 19:54.26 | ompaul | ita0: interesting did you get those packages from dotdeb.org? |
| 19:54.38 | ita0 | ompaul: yes |
| 19:55.09 | ompaul | ita0: I fear they did you no favours, first off try to remove them with apt-get remove --purge in both cases |
| 19:55.20 | ompaul | ita0: basically they borked your machine |
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| 19:56.00 | ita0 | ompaul: what should I do now? |
| 19:56.30 | adminewb1 | on squeeze LiveCD, what would be the kernel option for booting from a loopback mounted ISO image? using grub2 if that matters |
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| 19:56.55 | ompaul | ita0: first let me look at your pastebin a bit |
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| 19:58.00 | ompaul | ita0: go find them on IRC and ask them how can you remove their softwaer |
| 19:58.18 | ita0 | ompaul: actually I want to install php-fpm |
| 19:58.28 | jhutchins_lt | adminewb1: Are you trying to boot a VM from an image mounted on the host? |
| 19:58.57 | johndo | ita0: this package is either broken or incompatible with debian |
| 19:59.11 | adminewb1 | jhutchins_lt, no just a nonvirtual boot of an ISO image, in preference to burning optical media for boot |
| 19:59.23 | ompaul | ita0: php5-fpm is available on squeeze |
| 19:59.26 | \amethyst | ita0: it sounds like you got the 'stable' version of the package from dotdeb, but you need the 'oldstable' version |
| 19:59.32 | johndo | and it looks like you have source lines for dotdeb in your sources file, which may be risky, when i see such packages |
| 19:59.44 | \amethyst | ompaul: is it? p.d.o only shows it in sid |
| 20:00.12 | ompaul | doh |
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| 20:00.20 | ompaul | forgot which box he was on |
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| 20:00.36 | ompaul | ,versions php5-fpm |
| 20:00.38 | judd | Package php5-fpm on i386 -- sid: 5.3.6-10 |
| 20:00.39 | adminewb1 | jhutchins_lt, the kernel loads up properly but by the time it wants to find its initramfs, it got lost as to where it came from |
| 20:00.44 | ompaul | so there you go |
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| 20:01.18 | ita0 | johndo: firstly, I installed php-fpm and it works then I remove it and I installed php5-cgi |
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| 20:01.58 | ompaul | ita0: it didn't get removed |
| 20:02.03 | johndo | ita0: php5-fpm is not removed |
| 20:02.10 | ompaul | ita0: that is your error message |
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| 20:02.42 | \amethyst | hm |
| 20:03.01 | johndo | ita0: you can try to remove it directly with dpkg -P |
| 20:03.03 | adminewb1 | jhutchins_lt so far I've tried "isofrom=" and "iso-scan/filename=" to help it locate the ISO image, no luck |
| 20:03.27 | \amethyst | I think it still won't work until you get the dotdeb lenny version of php5-fpm |
| 20:03.30 | ompaul | adminewb1: not sure but try "fromiso" on its own |
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| 20:03.38 | johndo | but you should know that it's very likely to screw up your system by installing unrelated packages from "somewhere" |
| 20:03.44 | \amethyst | since the postrm script is where the problem is, you won't be able to remove the package until you upgrade it |
| 20:04.36 | ita0 | see this http://pastebin.com/EduGgJYR when I tried to remove it |
| 20:04.39 | adminewb1 | pardon me, that was "findiso=" |
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| 20:05.15 | adminewb1 | ompaul, that's "fromiso=" on the kernel command line? |
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| 20:05.38 | \amethyst | ita0: like I said, get the lenny version of their package, install it, and then you can remove it |
| 20:05.41 | \amethyst | ita0: http://php53.dotdeb.org/dists/lenny/php5/binary-amd64/php5-fpm_5.3.6-6~dotdeb.0_amd64.deb |
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| 20:06.06 | \amethyst | ita0: you'll probably be able to get more help on the dotdeb.org comment boards, since they know their packages better than we do |
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| 20:07.10 | \amethyst | ita0: also, you should make sure your dotdeb.org lines in /etc/apt/sources.list say "lenny" or "oldstable" and not "stable" |
| 20:07.18 | adminewb1 | someone mentioned that this function resides in initramfs scripts; where do those live on debian squeeze? |
| 20:07.30 | jhutchins_lt | adminewb1: Is the iso image on the medium you're booting from? I don't really understand. If it were already mounted, you would be already booted. |
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| 20:08.22 | adminewb1 | jhutchins_lt, loopback mounted within grub2, that is, ISOs residing on ext4 volume on a GPT physical disk |
| 20:08.23 | \amethyst | ita0: again, this is all assuming you are running lenny... if your Debian is newer than that, then you have some kind of problem with your "dpkg" package and should reinstall it |
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| 20:10.18 | ompaul | adminewb1: are you trying to run a virtual machine? |
| 20:10.33 | Computer | youre a virtual machine |
| 20:10.35 | Computer | oop :X |
| 20:10.37 | adminewb1 | nonvirtual boot of LiveCD image |
| 20:10.43 | ita0 | \amethyst: see this when I tried to install that php-fpm by dpkg -i http://pastebin.com/saPwR5XU |
| 20:10.45 | romel | looks like ATI is not fully supported in debian (I expirienced slowlyness with both proprietary and opensource drivers), but what about nvidia cards? |
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| 20:11.11 | ompaul | adminewb1: but if you are mounting it, is it not already on a booted machine |
| 20:11.32 | ompaul | so something that is acting as ahost |
| 20:11.33 | adminewb1 | ompaul no, loopback mount of ISO in grub2 boot loader |
| 20:11.59 | ompaul | so this is an iso image in the middle of a machine |
| 20:12.08 | ita0 | I am using lenny and in my sources.list is oldstable |
| 20:12.20 | adminewb1 | ISO image on a regular disk filesystem |
| 20:12.21 | ompaul | ita0: but you added from dotdeb.org |
| 20:12.50 | johndo | romel: yes, squeeze has slowed down ati cards by a factor of about 3 for me too, but nvidia cards seem to run fine, at least with the binary driver |
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| 20:13.24 | karlpinc | ita0: (FWIW it's much better to use explicit version names, lenny, squeeze, whatever, than stable/oldstable because otherwise things will break when a new release comes out unless you're paying close attention.) |
| 20:13.25 | ompaul | adminewb1: sorry, we may be at cross purposes here, the iso, is it on a /dev/something/foo.iso where the underlying system is ext3 or some such |
| 20:13.29 | \amethyst | ita0: what does the dotdeb.org line from your sources.list say? |
| 20:13.54 | ompaul | \amethyst: at a guess it was wget or some such |
| 20:14.31 | \amethyst | if that's the case, you can wget the dotdeb.org package from the URL I gave above, and dpkg -i it the same way you did this version |
| 20:14.35 | jhutchins_lt | adminewb1: I think the live images all use busybox, not a standard grub boot. |
| 20:14.54 | jhutchins_lt | adminewb1: Are you following something from the install guide? |
| 20:14.55 | romel | johndo: trying to make gnome3 work on my debian box (vga is radeon hd5700), so with proprietary drivers there's something like rainbow instead of top menu and with opensource drivers it just runs in fallback mode :( |
| 20:15.06 | adminewb1 | jhutchins_lt, that may well be, but i'm starting it with grub2 |
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| 20:15.33 | adminewb1 | not documented in install guide how this is done |
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| 20:16.06 | ita0 | \amethyst: my sources.list http://pastebin.com/xf2wv2NN |
| 20:16.13 | jhutchins_lt | adminewb1: I think it doesn't work the way you think it does. |
| 20:16.24 | adminewb1 | ok |
| 20:16.58 | johndo | romel: sounds bad |
| 20:17.05 | adminewb1 | what I want to do is boot the LiveCD without burning optical media; grub2 supports this elsewhere using loopback mounted ISOs on disk... |
| 20:17.20 | johndo | i haven't experienced something like that, but i'm usind plain old 2D window managers |
| 20:17.44 | johndo | i only saw fps rates dropping rather seriously in some games i have tried |
| 20:17.59 | ompaul | ita0: try apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and see if you get anywhere or aptitude as you prefer |
| 20:18.26 | \amethyst | ita0: hm... that should have gotten you the correct version then |
| 20:18.29 | jhutchins_lt | romel: gnome3 really isn't in debian yet, you might try #debian-next (oftc). |
| 20:18.30 | \amethyst | ita0: could you try the following: |
| 20:18.51 | romel | jhutchins_lt: it's in experimental repository |
| 20:19.02 | jhutchins_lt | romel: Some of it. |
| 20:19.11 | \amethyst | ita0: wget http://php53.dotdeb.org/dists/lenny/php5/binary-amd64/php5-fpm_5.3.6-6~dotdeb.0_amd64.deb ; dpkg -i php5-fpm_5.3.6-6~dotdeb.0_amd64.deb ; apt-get remove php5-fpm |
| 20:19.13 | romel | right |
| 20:19.47 | johndo | wasn't there an option in dpkg (?) which allowed it to purge a package without executing pre- or postremove scripts? (as a kind of last resort), but i cannot remember it :( |
| 20:20.22 | ompaul | johndo: it ain't last resort yet and that is a "bad command" can leave systems in a state of "ohh noes" |
| 20:21.00 | \amethyst | ita0: that will get the lenny version (just to make sure you have the correct one; the version numbers are the same but I don't know how careful dotdeb.org is about that) |
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| 20:21.07 | johndo | ompaul: i know, and it wasn't related to this problem, i only wanted to remember |
| 20:21.08 | \amethyst | ita0: and install it, and then remove it |
| 20:21.35 | \amethyst | ita0: if the dpkg -i still fails, then you'll need to get help from the dotdeb.org people |
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| 20:22.13 | \amethyst | since a lenny package should not be calling dpkg-maintscript-helper |
| 20:22.24 | ita0 | ompaul: I did what you said ant the result here http://pastebin.com/Zm17ptci |
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| 20:23.14 | ragnar76 | hia again, what means "Failed to obtain authentication." i get since the last update |
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| 20:25.39 | ompaul | ita0: more or less the same error |
| 20:25.58 | ita0 | \amethyst: I did what you said and the result here http://pastebin.com/FWikRZWP |
| 20:26.03 | ita0 | :( |
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| 20:26.25 | adminewb1 | stanza in grub.cfg I'm using to test: http://paste.debian.net/116777/ |
| 20:26.25 | adminewb1 | I expect "findiso=" has to be replaced with something recognized by the initramfs scripts? |
| 20:26.30 | \amethyst | ita0: yeah, then their "lenny" package is broken |
| 20:28.03 | ompaul | ita0: suggest you prod their bug section, this is the price of installing not debian based packages :-( |
| 20:28.05 | \amethyst | ita0: the unsafe workaround is to put "exit 0" at the beginning of the postrm script, but that could break php and related packages badly. Safest would be to see if the dotdeb maintainers can provide a fixed version |
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| 20:30.12 | \amethyst | ita0: okay, good news |
| 20:30.42 | ita0 | \amethyst: what? |
| 20:30.45 | \amethyst | ita0: I just looked at the script and I think the dpkg-maintscript-helper call is not essential |
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| 20:31.41 | \amethyst | ita0: so: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/php5-fpm.postrm find the dpkg-maintscript-helper line (near the end) and comment it out (put # at the beginning of the line |
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| 20:31.52 | \amethyst | ita0: then try removing it... |
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| 20:33.04 | johndo | ragnar76: providing some context to this message may help people to answer your question |
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| 20:33.27 | bigmahatma | how can I see which module is loaded for my wifi card? |
| 20:33.52 | \amethyst | ita0: it just moves a conffile, so if you purge the package then manually rm /etc/php5/fpm/main.conf you should be fine |
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| 20:34.30 | bigmahatma | anyone? |
| 20:34.50 | \amethyst | ita0: and that manual rm should only be necessary if you were running an older version of php5-fpm in the past |
| 20:34.52 | ragnar76 | johndo: i'm not be able to shutdown from gnome desktop or mount my external hdd and just a few minutes ago, i got this message after the screensaver ends |
| 20:34.59 | babilen | bigmahatma: "lspci -knn|grep -A2 network" |
| 20:35.07 | huma | what may be the reason of /dev/sda absence on vps? |
| 20:35.18 | johndo | bigmahatma: check what card is installed on your system with lspci -nn and ask judd what module is matching it |
| 20:35.39 | \amethyst | bigmahatma: hm... lspci has lspci -k but I don't know about USB etc |
| 20:35.44 | babilen | bigmahatma: Ah, not quite, you need a "-i" before "network" |
| 20:37.06 | bigmahatma | babilen: thanks. The output is 'Kernel driver it use: wl' |
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| 20:37.15 | \amethyst | ita0: also, you really should post a bug report at http://www.dotdeb.org/2011/04/09/php-5-3-6-is-available/ showing the errors you got with the dpkg -i command |
| 20:37.27 | babilen | bigmahatma: You are welcome :) |
| 20:37.34 | \amethyst | ita0: so we don't get more people coming in with broken third-party packages :) |
| 20:37.45 | bigmahatma | babilen: so do you think if I write 'modprobe wl' this will load the correct module? |
| 20:38.01 | babilen | bigmahatma: Note that a bunch of cards are also supported by a free driver and not only by the proprietary wl one |
| 20:38.05 | babilen | bigmahatma: yes |
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| 20:38.24 | bigmahatma | great. thanks a lot |
| 20:38.25 | johndo | ragnar76: maybe you need to be in another user group to be able to mount usb disks, but maybe you only need to logout and login after the upgrade |
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| 20:39.15 | babilen | bigmahatma: We can have a look what other modules might be used apart from wl if you give us the pciid. (the abcd:1234 in brackets when you run "lspci -nn|grep -i network") |
| 20:39.32 | johndo | babilen: lspci -k ... nice to know :) |
| 20:39.49 | ragnar76 | johndo: i did the update last night and the computer was down for a while |
| 20:40.48 | johndo | ragnar76: ok, than that solution obviously is ruled out |
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| 20:41.08 | johndo | and i don't use gnome, so i cannat help further i'm afraid |
| 20:41.31 | bigmahatma | babilen: so, how can I figure out which other modules support my wifi card, beside 'wl'? |
| 20:41.54 | ragnar76 | johndo: didn't try kde, or any other desktop environtment |
| 20:41.56 | babilen | bigmahatma: Give me the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" :) |
| 20:42.39 | bigmahatma | Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation Device [14e4:4727] (rev 01) Kernel driver in use: wl Kernel modules: wl |
| 20:42.46 | ita0 | \amethyst: the comment is closed in that topic |
| 20:42.58 | babilen | ,pciid 14e4:4727 |
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| 20:42.59 | \amethyst | ita0: ouch, that sucks |
| 20:42.59 | judd | [14e4:4727] is 'BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'brcm80211' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4727 http://wiki.debian.org/wl http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
| 20:43.05 | \amethyst | ita0: maybe email somebody :) |
| 20:43.27 | babilen | !tell bigmahatma about brcm80211 |
| 20:44.08 | babilen | bigmahatma: Can you take it from there? |
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| 20:45.39 | bigmahatma | mh.. I'm not really sure about what I should do.. |
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| 20:46.46 | babilen | bigmahatma: Just follow the wiki, it explains the necessary steps in great detail. I also don't know how to help you, because I have no idea what you are trying to achieve. ;) |
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| 20:47.48 | babilen | bigmahatma: In step 3. you also want to remove the "wl" module with "modprobe -r wl" if you plan to use the brcm80211 one |
| 20:48.31 | bigmahatma | got it. thanks a lot :) |
| 20:49.31 | babilen | bigmahatma: Have fun! Let us know when you run into problems |
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| 21:00.48 | adrenlinerush | I'm working on a preseed and having problems with tasksel I would like to have the minimal system (ie no desktop) and define my wm in pkgsel/include have these lines for tasksel d-itasksel/first multiselect |
| 21:00.52 | adrenlinerush | d-i tasksel/skip-tasks multiselect standard, server |
| 21:00.55 | adrenlinerush | any ideas |
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| 21:06.00 | blinki | hey again, I'm still looking for a netflow grapher that can handle my cisco asa 5505 |
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| 21:09.09 | Bushmills | blinki: there seems to exist a netflow plugin for munin |
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| 21:09.22 | Bushmills | see here: http://cisco-live6.com/munin/ipv6noc/ipv6noc/netflow_export.html |
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| 21:11.28 | JyZyXEL | how do you check if anything is using a device node like /dev/sdb |
| 21:11.38 | JyZyXEL | before you go and re-partition it |
| 21:11.52 | twobitsprite | JyZyXEL: you mean if it's mounted? |
| 21:11.59 | twobitsprite | JyZyXEL: you can check "mount" |
| 21:12.01 | JyZyXEL | mounted or anything |
| 21:12.11 | JyZyXEL | it could be part of a raid or device mapper could have it open |
| 21:12.16 | JyZyXEL | you could have dd accessing it |
| 21:12.26 | JyZyXEL | there are so many possibilities |
| 21:12.34 | twobitsprite | JyZyXEL: "lsof" should show any programs accessing it |
| 21:12.45 | JyZyXEL | what kind of arguments for lsof? |
| 21:12.53 | twobitsprite | JyZyXEL: "man lsof" |
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| 21:13.01 | I_Died_Once | hey, got a question - i purchased a laptop that has no dvd drive - what would be the best way to install a linux distro on it without a DVD to install from? |
| 21:13.14 | DammitJim | USB |
| 21:13.37 | twobitsprite | I_Died_Once: USB or netboot |
| 21:13.56 | JyZyXEL | twobitsprite: you know its almost 2000 lines |
| 21:14.09 | twobitsprite | JyZyXEL: what, the man page? |
| 21:14.13 | JyZyXEL | yeah |
| 21:14.29 | twobitsprite | JyZyXEL: so you expect me to read it for you? |
| 21:14.40 | JyZyXEL | no i was wondering if anyone had the command |
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| 21:15.09 | twobitsprite | just running "lsof" itself will spew out all the open files |
| 21:15.15 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ... any one using KDE with debian 6 ? |
| 21:15.21 | JyZyXEL | but /dev/sdb is a device |
| 21:15.23 | JyZyXEL | not a file |
| 21:15.34 | twobitsprite | JyZyXEL: it's a file too... |
| 21:16.11 | Bushmills | cobra-the-joker: do you? |
| 21:16.40 | cobra-the-joker | Bushmills: nope ... i was about to :D |
| 21:17.01 | cobra-the-joker | i was asking if the KDE implementation is good enough |
| 21:17.06 | treund | cobra-the-joker: what have you heard? |
| 21:17.23 | JyZyXEL | yeah well their not on the list |
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| 21:17.28 | cobra-the-joker | treund: nothing ... i came to see what are the impressions |
| 21:17.55 | twobitsprite | JyZyXEL: there might be an option to lsof to include device files or something, but I'm not sure... |
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| 21:18.14 | JyZyXEL | so you tell me lsof even when you have no idea if its the right tool to use |
| 21:18.26 | treund | JyZyXEL: lsof |
| 21:18.46 | twobitsprite | JyZyXEL: it was just a suggestion, which is why I suggested you check out the man page to see if it's the right tool |
| 21:19.14 | treund | JyZyXEL: if you don't want to spend time finding out yourself why get down on people giving suggestions |
| 21:20.18 | nvz | ,versions truecrypt |
| 21:20.18 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'truecrypt' was found in i386. |
| 21:20.32 | nvz | I could swear truecrypt was in debian at some point |
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| 21:21.11 | rudi_s | nvz: I don't think so, the license isn't free AFAIK. |
| 21:21.55 | nvz | ah.. oh well.. guess I'll just have to get it from the website |
| 21:22.02 | treund | ,version chromium |
| 21:22.32 | rudi_s | nvz: If you are just looking for encryption Debian provides severals ways - if you need to open a truecrypt file that won't work of course. |
| 21:22.32 | nvz | treund: chromium-browser and its in squeeze |
| 21:22.47 | johndo | treund: chromium-browser? |
| 21:22.47 | nvz | rudi_s: I've already got partitions encrypted with it.. |
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| 21:22.56 | treund | thanks |
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| 21:24.17 | twobitsprite | looks like truecrypt has some weird ad clauses in it's license which makes it unfit for debian |
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| 21:24.42 | nvz | yeah well I set a lot of this up ages ago on a windows machine |
| 21:24.53 | nvz | I was looking for something that was cross-platform at the time |
| 21:24.57 | twobitsprite | however, there is this: http://freshmeat.net/projects/truecrypt-installer |
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| 21:25.30 | nvz | I got it installed from the website now.. I doubt I'll change it, but may look into other options in the future |
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| 21:25.52 | nvz | still desire heavy encryption, easy to use, and cross-platform |
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| 21:27.20 | pipeline | there are lots of options for the first two requirements |
| 21:27.23 | pipeline | and nearly none for the third |
| 21:27.35 | pipeline | my suggestion would be to rely on virtualization for your "cross-platform" requirement |
| 21:27.38 | nvz | truecrypt addresses all those issues.. I can even use several different encryptions. this one I believe is just 128bit AES, but it allows you to mix encryptions |
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| 21:28.20 | nvz | I'm not harboring military secrets.. just had a USB drive at the time that I didnt want anyone being able to plug in and access certain things |
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| 21:28.58 | twobitsprite | yeah, uh-huh... I'm already backtracing your connection for my Russian commrads :) |
| 21:29.51 | treund | uses linux partition type 11 (hidden fat12) for secrets |
| 21:30.11 | nvz | haha.. I was actually about to say that.. I may actually be harboring military secrets for soviet russia |
| 21:30.26 | nvz | since sussudio has my userpic set to a soviet flag on debstats |
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| 21:30.47 | twobitsprite | hehe |
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| 21:31.17 | nvz | I actually dont like the current setup I have because in windows anyhow it shows the partition and prompts users to format it when they click on it.. I shouldve also hidden the partition |
| 21:31.43 | nvz | I never tried to see.. but I imagine it would let windows format it and destroy the data |
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| 21:38.38 | I_Died_Once | ok, stupid question - what is the arch type of an 'acer one D255E' ?? |
| 21:39.06 | nvz | I_Died_Once: aspire one you mean, with an intel atom? |
| 21:39.07 | Plazma | it's an intel atom according to google |
| 21:39.14 | I_Died_Once | yeah |
| 21:39.18 | Plazma | so probably x86 ? |
| 21:39.24 | pipeline | x86 or amd64 your choice |
| 21:39.36 | pipeline | given the miserable cache on an atom x86 is probably faster haha |
| 21:39.36 | nvz | I_Died_Once: use 686, if compiling a kernel, there is actually a specific option for the intel atom now |
| 21:39.50 | Plazma | i was hoping it was ARM, personally :) |
| 21:40.11 | I_Died_Once | not compiling a kernel... just wanting to install linux on it and make it a gaming machine |
| 21:40.53 | nvz | I_Died_Once: ah well use the x86_32, i386/i686 option.. will work best from my experience.. I have one here and thats what I use |
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| 21:41.27 | nvz | I'm actually running an opensim server on mine right now.. heh |
| 21:41.37 | I_Died_Once | nice |
| 21:41.58 | nvz | I_Died_Once: you realize its not gonna be much of a gaming machine right? |
| 21:42.00 | I_Died_Once | just trying to figure out what method i need to install on this thing with no dvd drive |
| 21:42.09 | Plazma | he can do minecraft on it :P |
| 21:42.25 | nvz | I_Died_Once: I used unetbootin the first time to strap a USB drive, the 2nd time I used PXE |
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| 21:42.31 | streuner | !rube goldberg install |
| 21:42.31 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
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| 21:43.06 | cobra-the-joker | is there is a special CD for KDE version ... i have CD 1 only ... which one should i download ? |
| 21:43.15 | nvz | I_Died_Once: if you have another machine and knowledge of PXE, that method is what I'd recommend. if not, it would be far quicker and easier to grab a thumbdrive and use unetbootin to strap the installer on it |
| 21:43.29 | streuner | cobra-the-joker: /msg dpkg netinstall |
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| 21:43.41 | I_Died_Once | link me to a good tutorial? |
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| 21:44.06 | streuner | dpkg, ig |
| 21:44.06 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
| 21:44.14 | nvz | cobra-the-joker: yes the first cd comes in several flavors, for different DE's however you could install any with the netinstall |
| 21:45.01 | I_Died_Once | and by gaming machine, i plan to install come NES and SNES emulators and put my roms on it |
| 21:45.07 | treund | I_Died_Once: http://getrichonline.theearnincome.com/get-rich-online-video/get-rich-online-how-to-become-a-millionaire-tutorial/ |
| 21:45.08 | I_Died_Once | maybe even my MAME roms |
| 21:45.47 | karlpinc | I_Died_Once: Since you're new, see below: |
| 21:45.49 | karlpinc | !overview |
| 21:45.49 | dpkg | Debian stable does not always include all the software people need or want so there is much official, semi-official, and non-official software available for stable. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware . Ask me about <security>, <installer firmware>, <backports>, <squeeze-updates>, <multimedia>, <non-free>, <contrib>, <emdebian>, <debian live>. See also <grounding>, <social contract>. |
| 21:45.52 | I_Died_Once | ok,let me re-ask that.... |
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| 21:46.38 | I_Died_Once | link me to a good tutorial regarding..... oh nevermind! lol |
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| 21:47.41 | I_Died_Once | i'm gonna google up PXE... I run several machines and this seems like a project enough |
| 21:47.46 | jxdin | Guys! |
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| 21:47.52 | jxdin | Qaddahfi was almost killed |
| 21:47.54 | jxdin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDAGdRnp_uI |
| 21:48.11 | jxdin | Yeah, he survived an assassination attempt |
| 21:48.13 | FLUDDGadd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQ6dpQ9yQFc&feature=channel_video_title |
| 21:48.15 | jxdin | video is right there |
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| 21:48.39 | jxdin | streuner: Good idea, they might want to see it |
| 21:48.42 | streuner | jxdin: this is #debian and support for Debian :-) |
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| 21:49.26 | streuner | hm |
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| 21:55.41 | Marty_Stoopid | hello |
| 21:55.50 | Marty_Stoopid | i have a little problem |
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| 21:56.03 | djura-san | Hi. I have one script that needs to start with parameters in /etc/init.d but im not sure how to make it load upon restart with given parameters. Can somebody give me a hand? |
| 21:56.08 | Marty_Stoopid | where is no-ip package for sqeeze ? |
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| 21:58.50 | somiaj | djura-san: check /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 21:59.55 | djura-san | somiaj: thank you :) |
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| 22:00.32 | Marty_Stoopid | can i take lenny 's one ? |
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| 22:01.17 | somiaj | Marty_Stoopid: provided the deps are reasonable, but many packages have a >= requirment in their version number so you should be fine |
| 22:01.19 | Um2k9 | The maggots of hell will feast on your corpses! |
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| 22:01.31 | somiaj | Marty_Stoopid: though I'd go check the changelog / bts on packages.debian.org and figure out where the package went. |
| 22:01.41 | babilen | Marty_Stoopid: You might also want to consider to backport the noip2 package from sid. -- /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 22:02.15 | Marty_Stoopid | so do i have to take no-ip package from sid or from lenny ? |
| 22:03.01 | somiaj | Marty_Stoopid: best bet is to compile the sid pacakage against squeeze libaries. The one from lenny will 'most likely' work |
| 22:03.04 | babilen | Marty_Stoopid: yes, it has been removed from squeeze (check the BTS/PTS for information why) |
| 22:04.36 | Marty_Stoopid | somiaj, how to recompile package for a different version of debian ? |
| 22:04.42 | djura-san | somiaj: im not sure that i understand skeleton file. My Script have parameters so i just wanna make one of them default for boot of script :\ |
| 22:04.44 | babilen | Marty_Stoopid: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=601220 (my pleasure) |
| 22:05.09 | somiaj | Marty_Stoopid: take the instructions of babilen and /msg dpkg ssb |
| 22:05.20 | djura-san | somiaj: and i see no option for script start with arguments by default :\ |
| 22:05.21 | babilen | Marty_Stoopid: I told you, execute the "/msg dpkg ssb" command in your IRC client and our friendly bot will let you know |
| 22:05.49 | Marty_Stoopid | babilen, ok thanks |
| 22:05.49 | somiaj | djura-san: djura-san so you already have an init.d script that accepts a 'start', 'stop', 'restart' commands and want to just add some parameters to the daemon it launches? |
| 22:06.02 | djura-san | da |
| 22:06.07 | djura-san | i mean, yes :) |
| 22:06.30 | babilen | heh |
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| 22:06.45 | somiaj | djura-san: then just modify that script and look for the start) stop) status) etc cases and modify the script accordinally |
| 22:07.27 | djura-san | you mean to make script starts if somebody just call for it without parameters? |
| 22:07.28 | somiaj | djura-san: the skeleton file just gives the basic options the script needs to accept that get sent to it at start/shutdown/change of runlevels, etc |
| 22:07.53 | somiaj | djura-san: you already have a script that is an init.d script that starts/stops/restarts a daemon? |
| 22:08.18 | somiaj | djura-san: if so modify it. If you don't have one and need to create one, the /etc/init.d/skeleton gives you the basic model of the options it has to accept, write it to do what you need it to. |
| 22:09.00 | djura-san | somiaj: that script is a wrapper for iptables rules. It has "start", "stop" options so i wanted to make it do "script start" on boot. That is all :) |
| 22:09.24 | djura-san | okay, i will modify it to start without parameters... Not so wise i guess but what can i do... |
| 22:09.44 | somiaj | djura-san: if the script already accepts the standards in the skeleton file (I'd make sure it accepts all of them) then put it into /etc/init.d and use update-rc.d to put the links to the script in the appropriate runlevels |
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| 22:10.45 | somiaj | djura-san: NO -- the script needs to accept teh standard paramaters start/stop/restart/reload -- then when you put it into /etc/init.d/ and then put the links into /etc/rc?.d/ with update-rc.d it will send the start/stop/restart parameters at the right time (i.e. startup of your run levels, or shut down for stop) |
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| 22:11.16 | djura-san | i see |
| 22:11.30 | djura-san | so update-rc.d controlls how and when will script load? |
| 22:11.35 | djura-san | *controls |
| 22:12.01 | somiaj | it controls which runlevels the links are put. |
| 22:12.15 | somiaj | check /etc/rc?.d/ out (: |
| 22:12.31 | djura-san | okay, you gave me enough info for small research :) |
| 22:12.36 | djura-san | thank you somiaj |
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| 22:14.37 | somiaj | djura-san: you can also check out /etc/rc.local -- but usually better to write an actuall start/stop script. But there you can put a script that will run at the end of each multiuser runlevel |
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| 22:15.48 | djura-san | aham |
| 22:16.04 | djura-san | i ned this on on start of every multilevel so i will pass rc.local :) |
| 22:16.07 | djura-san | *need |
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| 22:19.14 | clever | how would i tell apt that i have manualy installed a package, and to not complain about it being missing? |
| 22:19.19 | clever | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:20.42 | theduke_ | there might be a better channel to ask about this, but: I have some trouble with a hard drive ... I know that the main partition sdb1 is ext3 but when I try to mount it dmesg shows VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev sdb1 |
| 22:21.19 | theduke_ | I need some data on this drive, any suggestions on how to proceed? |
| 22:23.22 | themill | clever: any particular reason you'd manually install exim rather than using the package for it? |
| 22:23.55 | clever | themill: the exim in the repo is over a year old, and let a virus into the system |
| 22:24.07 | themill | eh? |
| 22:24.31 | somiaj | clever: what do you mean by a manually installed software -- probabaly need to build a debian package. Is the version in sid up to date enough for you? |
| 22:24.32 | clever | 'Recent Security vulnerabilities have been announced in versions <4.72 please see http://lists.exim.org/lurker/message/20101213.140800.7c3bae4b.en.html for info' |
| 22:24.55 | clever | somiaj: its actualy the ubuntu 8.04 repo that i'm currently using |
| 22:25.01 | somiaj | well the security update that came today will fix the security holes but not change the version. |
| 22:25.08 | somiaj | so this is a #ubuntu question? |
| 22:25.10 | themill | clever: this problem is fixed in debian. Please ask #ubuntu for ubuntu support |
| 22:25.13 | Bushmills | exim had a security update only today |
| 22:25.24 | clever | i know the problem within exim itself is an ubuntu problem |
| 22:25.33 | clever | but ive fix that, and now its just apt complaining about my fix |
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| 22:25.47 | themill | clever: please take ubuntu support questions to #ubuntu |
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| 22:26.30 | InfectedSoul | hey can i install gnome with the netinstall as my wifi card isnt working so when i can i was gonna route an ethernet cable to the box |
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| 22:27.48 | Marty_Stoopid | babilen, it worked, thanks for everything, skills and patiente |
| 22:27.59 | babilen | Marty_Stoopid: you did the work :) |
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| 22:28.13 | somiaj | clever: please don't message me, I'm not here for personal help. On debian I would suggest you never install core things from source and always build a custom debian package. On ubuntu, goto #ubuntu. |
| 22:28.49 | Marty_Stoopid | yep and finally apt-get -b source worked fine ;) |
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| 22:29.08 | somiaj | InfectedSoul: what point in the install are you? Have you installed teh base system yet? |
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| 22:29.29 | InfectedSoul | got to the mirror selection and it didnt see the wifi card :( |
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| 22:29.45 | InfectedSoul | it sees it but it wont connect |
| 22:29.51 | phogg | InfectedSoul: does it normally require firmware to work? |
| 22:29.55 | somiaj | InfectedSoul: can you go back and select your lan as the network card (provided your still in teh installer) |
| 22:30.05 | InfectedSoul | i shut the box off lol |
| 22:30.11 | InfectedSoul | i dont have a lan installed |
| 22:30.22 | InfectedSoul | it was eth0 or wlan0 |
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| 22:30.35 | InfectedSoul | wlan0 was seen but the scan didnt work |
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| 22:32.28 | somiaj | eth0 is the wire, I'd use that if you have the option. some wireless cards require non-free firmware |
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| 22:32.49 | InfectedSoul | what version is the 6.0.1a? |
| 22:32.58 | InfectedSoul | squeeze |
| 22:33.02 | InfectedSoul | just noticed the topic |
| 22:33.33 | InfectedSoul | i just dont have time till a day off |
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| 22:33.51 | InfectedSoul | gonna bookmark this page and follow it with a ethernet installed :) |
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| 22:35.50 | somiaj | InfectedSoul: its the base line squeeze 6.0 + security updates all bundeled together so you have less you ahve to update after you install. |
| 22:36.04 | InfectedSoul | woot :D |
| 22:36.13 | InfectedSoul | likes to slack :) |
| 22:36.16 | somiaj | InfectedSoul: so yea you'll want the most recent install images. |
| 22:36.30 | InfectedSoul | ya i grabbed the 6.0.1a netinstall |
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| 22:39.49 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is there any known method for copying all of the different Debian Live ISO files onto a USB stick, and be able to select from a menu which to boot? I want to be able to put the live gnome, kde, xfce, lxde etc images on one if possible. |
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| 22:41.14 | somiaj | LinuxGuy2009: there are tools to make your own live image, why not have one that has gnome/kde/xfce etc on it, and then use a display manager to pick which one to log into. |
| 22:41.32 | InfectedSoul | woot netsplit |
| 22:41.33 | somiaj | LinuxGuy2009: though if you want each image seperatally I'm sure you could set something up for that, I don't have any pointers though |
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| 22:43.25 | gauge | anyone here use gpg or pgp? I'm looking to get started w/ encrypting my email. Any opinions? |
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| 22:44.01 | johndo | what's the purpose of enabling debian-backports for building sid packages from source on squeeze? to satisfy the build dependencies of the source package? |
| 22:44.03 | dvs | gauge: Evolution can do that automatically. You still need gnupg to do it, though |
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| 22:44.18 | gauge | coool. |
| 22:44.44 | dvs | gauge: It won't do you any good unless the person you're sending it to also has a public key. |
| 22:45.14 | gauge | dvs I'm aware of that much. |
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| 22:47.30 | johndo | what's the purpose of enabling debian-backports for building sid packages from source on squeeze? to satisfy the build dependencies of the source package? |
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| 22:49.06 | themill | johndo: yes. when you're building a backport, you could well need newer tools or libraries to do so and these are often in debian-backports |
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| 22:49.23 | initself | erasing data on LVM 1 TB is taking FOREVER |
| 22:49.30 | initself | is that to be expected? |
| 22:49.51 | project2501a | yes |
| 22:50.16 | project2501a | it always depends on how much data you are erasing and what configuration you have put the disks in |
| 22:50.40 | project2501a | that is why you usually raid first and lvm on top of the raid layer |
| 22:50.53 | project2501a | and it depends on your disks |
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| 22:51.10 | project2501a | sas 15k/ssd is going to be a lot faster than a single sata hd |
| 22:51.31 | project2501a | now, someone fucking tell me, why the fuck do i need a cube that spins on my desktop |
| 22:51.36 | project2501a | like spinning meat |
| 22:51.45 | ajikeshi | xD |
| 22:52.02 | ajikeshi | because macos and windows have those too :D |
| 22:52.18 | project2501a | or why the fuck do i need my windows to wobble |
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| 22:52.46 | prince_jammys | agreed. however, there is some use to turning your mouse pointer into a flaming pirate ship. |
| 22:52.53 | ajikeshi | xD |
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| 22:53.27 | Fear | project2501a: please keep the chat family rated |
| 22:53.43 | project2501a | prince_jammys: only when i dress up as frank-n-furter for rocky-horror-picture-show |
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| 22:53.49 | project2501a | so i can be an ass pirate |
| 22:54.01 | prince_jammys | see, it has its uses. |
| 22:54.06 | project2501a | or ass bandit. |
| 22:54.11 | InfectedSoul | project2501a: please keep the chat family rated |
| 22:54.16 | project2501a | ok |
| 22:54.34 | project2501a | um, ass bandit *is* family rated, is it not? |
| 22:54.43 | InfectedSoul | swear words dude |
| 22:54.59 | project2501a | ass? is a swear word? ok. behind bandit. |
| 22:55.27 | prince_jammys | a thief of donkeys. |
| 22:55.46 | prince_jammys | at least that's how i interpreted it. maybe you meant something else |
| 22:56.04 | project2501a | i meant like tubgirl |
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| 23:15.59 | Bartzy | Is it possible that a file will be written to local disk, and the folder for that file is exported through NFS, and it would take time for NFS clients to "know" (for example by doing 'ls' on the NFS-mounted dir) that a new file was written ? |
| 23:16.30 | Bartzy | or if I stat the file on local disk it must appear on a NFS client ? |
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| 23:18.18 | phogg | Bartzy: the actual data does not have to reach the disk for the VFS to know about it. |
| 23:18.30 | Bartzy | phogg: VFS ? |
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| 23:19.06 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: Unless there's something watching the filesystem for changes, it wouldn't appear until the next time the folder is read. |
| 23:19.18 | phogg | Bartzy: the kernel's representation of the filesystem irrespective of which disks things are on |
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| 23:20.37 | Bartzy | jhutchins_lt: I have a process that writes a file (1.txt) to the local filesystem directory. Immediately after it's done writing, it checks if that file exists, and if it does , another process is executed and needs read access to that file (1.txt) through NFS. Is it possible that the 2nd process will have "No file found" ? |
| 23:21.23 | phogg | Bartzy: yes, because it could be removed or renamed in between |
| 23:21.33 | Bartzy | phogg: It isn't. |
| 23:21.53 | Bartzy | I know that for sure. My question is if there are any caches in NFS that can cause what I just described. |
| 23:23.08 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: Are you having a problem with this or just over-thinking it? |
| 23:23.20 | Bartzy | jhutchins_lt: A problem exactly like I described. |
| 23:24.00 | jhutchins_lt | Then we can assume that the remote process is reading a cached directory that somehow needs to be reloaded. |
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| 23:24.26 | Bartzy | jhutchins_lt: The only explanation I have for the behavior I'm seeing is some NFS behavior that I don't want. Question is how can I tell the NFS client not to read the cached directory |
| 23:24.49 | linuxman410 | is it possible to get a full working system in less than 2 gigs |
| 23:25.01 | phix | Bartzy: use sync to force writing out to all filesystems |
| 23:25.02 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/ |
| 23:25.16 | Bartzy | phix: sync in /etc/exports ? |
| 23:26.00 | jhutchins_lt | linuxman410: Difficult. You might look at a smaller distribution like puppy, dsl, or emdebian (or some other embedded system). |
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| 23:26.27 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: Sync just flushes caches to disk. |
| 23:26.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | linuxman410: full working system in what way? |
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| 23:27.08 | Bartzy | jhutchins_lt: But will it "flush" the cache of the NFS client, which didn't write anything (the write was made to the local filesystem... I export a NFS share from that local filesystem) |
| 23:27.24 | phix | Bartzy: no, type in sync as root |
| 23:27.28 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: I don't think so, I suggest you grab that guide and start scanning it. |
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| 23:27.41 | jhutchins_lt | phix: That doesn't affect the remote cache. |
| 23:28.02 | phix | Bartzy: or ALT+PRINT_SCREEN+s |
| 23:28.04 | linuxman410 | Kamping_Kaiser as in email web browser x and xchat and a work processor it is for a asus 2g surf it has a 2gig ssd |
| 23:28.04 | themill | linuxman410: you need to provide more information about what you call a "full working system". I have a box that is providing file and web serving where the install size is 270MB. |
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| 23:29.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | linuxman410: should fit in there, yeah. probably need xfce or one of the lightweight desktops instead of gnome/kde |
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| 23:29.45 | linuxman410 | so i should use a network install and choose packages |
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| 23:30.00 | tharkun | themill: ftr how much ram does your 270MB install system is using? |
| 23:30.01 | jpalecek | linuxman410: yes, I used to make a live CD with debian. No kde or gnome though, only awesome, but there were like 5 kernels... |
| 23:31.03 | jhutchins_lt | True, and knoppix runs off of a CD pretty easily. |
| 23:31.21 | jhutchins_lt | (Don't they still use a 2.4 kernel though?) |
| 23:31.22 | linuxman410 | debian 6 should have drivers for the wireless right |
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| 23:31.42 | themill | tharkun: as it's currently running mysql as well and will have cached quite a few files for sshfs, quite a lot. nearly 400MB |
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| 23:33.55 | linuxman410 | themill do you think debian 6 will have drivers for the wireless in a asus eeepc |
| 23:33.55 | tharkun | themill: thanks it does give me a proben minimum working environment in case i need to run on the low level resource plane :) |
| 23:34.21 | themill | !eeepc |
| 23:34.22 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM ASUS Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by ASUS. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net for support. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1c>. Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 23:34.39 | themill | linuxman410: ^^ possibly. maybe. I dont know, but the wiki might. |
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| 23:41.35 | ITC | Please anyone, which are all the binaries that need to be in the chroot environnement for using svn+ssh, i listed /bin/bash and /usr/bin/svn, what misses ? |
| 23:43.25 | tharkun | ITC: let svn complain and add salt and pepper to taste :D |
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| 23:44.25 | nvz | ITC: unless you have statically compiled binaries you will need more than just the binaries |
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| 23:45.39 | nvz | ITC: might not be suited for your task, but what I do is debootstrap the chroot and then just use apt to install the stuff |
| 23:45.54 | torrancew | ITC: i do what nvz does |
| 23:46.12 | nvz | ITC: I also make use of schroot because it allows for you to access and run commands in the chroot as a normal user |
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| 23:47.31 | ITC | nvz: wo, your answer is another level from mine |
| 23:47.52 | ITC | but thanks |
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| 23:48.15 | nvz | ITC: are you saying you don't know how to do that? |
| 23:48.41 | ITC | nvz: i mean i have to digest your answer, wait |
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| 23:49.31 | sombunall | I am a bit confused about compiling. I can't use dpkg-buildpackage if the package I'm trying to build in not in the repositories right? so for packages not in the repo I can just configure, make, make install and not fear that it will hose my system? |
| 23:50.00 | nvz | ITC: debootstrap is a command that builds a debian base-install so that your chroot has everything needed to run like a normal system. Thats the debian way to do it. Moving stuff by hand is on the edge of the scope of this support channel |
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| 23:50.41 | ITC | nvz: i guess you assume i try to chroot the service, but i only try to chroot a user in a svn big directory |
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| 23:51.09 | ITC | nvz: ok i understand that |
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| 23:52.09 | jpalecek | nvz: so you say a chroot environment needs to have its own dpkg? that's gross |
| 23:55.09 | torrancew | jpalecek: it does if you want to run dpkg inside of it... |
| 23:55.19 | jpalecek | sombunall: you can use dpkg-buildpackage for software someone has made package for (not necessarily in the repositories). Otherwise, you can use dh_make to "debianize" a source tree. Doesn't work for everything, but for configure && make && make install, it should. |
| 23:56.14 | torrancew | sombunall: a quick & dirty fix is to configure, make, checkinstall |
| 23:56.16 | jpalecek | torrancew: the OP wanted to run svn+ssh in the chroot... |
| 23:56.55 | torrancew | sombunall: that will make a quick and dirty .deb (not suited for distribution, but allows you to dpkg -r) |
| 23:57.12 | torrancew | jpalecek: ah |
| 23:57.14 | torrancew | scrolls up |
| 23:57.21 | ITC | jpalecek: no svn+ssh in tortoise or rabbitcvs on another computer |
| 23:57.46 | ITC | jpalecek: but accessing svn repos in the chroot |
| 23:58.01 | sombunall | torrancew, can checkinstall ever fail saying there will be a dependency conflict? |
| 23:58.54 | torrancew | sombunall: checkinstall will create a .deb, and allows you to populate the dependency, version, etc fields yourself |
| 23:58.57 | torrancew | IIRC |
| 23:58.59 | jpalecek | ITC: ? |
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| 23:59.16 | torrancew | switched to dpkg-buildpackage and his own repo a while back though |
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