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| 00:02.50 | anima- | xrfang_, did you install a DE or just X11 ? |
| 00:03.28 | xrfang_ | anima-, I juste used tasksel, I dont' know what it installed to be honest |
| 00:03.41 | xrfang_ | under ubuntu |
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| 00:03.52 | xrfang_ | I can use install ubuntu-desktop |
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| 00:04.04 | xrfang_ | is there a debian-desktop install target? |
| 00:05.15 | anima- | why are you using a live cd to install, go get the debian netinst |
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| 00:07.30 | wols_ | !install gnome |
| 00:07.30 | dpkg | To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, 'gnome-desktop-environment' for GNOME as defined by upstream, 'gnome-core' for a bit less and 'gnome-session' for the basic components actually needed to run a GNOME session. You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 00:07.59 | xrfang_ | thanks wols_ |
| 00:08.54 | anima- | throws gnome into a wood chipper |
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| 00:21.01 | toad_ | how do i configure debian's privoxy to allow me to access hidden services? |
| 00:21.31 | anima- | toad_ ... did you read the man page for privoxy ? |
| 00:22.59 | Seth_Hikaru | Is it possible to login users from gnome at startup via shell or terminal? |
| 00:23.18 | Bushmills | Seth_Hikaru: yes |
| 00:23.23 | Seth_Hikaru | how? |
| 00:23.33 | anima- | pulls out the almighty bat of google |
| 00:23.44 | Seth_Hikaru | Too long to google. |
| 00:23.53 | Bushmills | either through startx, or - if login is needed - have a look at qingy |
| 00:23.58 | anima- | ..... it takes 5 seconds to google |
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| 00:26.33 | toad_ | anima-: yes, it vaguely points me to the user manual |
| 00:26.40 | toad_ | anima-: there is nothing obvious there either |
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| 00:26.57 | toad_ | anima-: i imagine i'll have to define a regex or something, but everyone seems to assume it works out of the box? |
| 00:27.43 | anima- | Seth_Hikaru, google "auto login gnome" 9th link down |
| 00:27.54 | Seth_Hikaru | okay |
| 00:28.12 | toad_ | hmmm, in fact it looks like i'm using privoxy and yet not using tor? wtf? |
| 00:28.59 | zinx | toad_: did you read /usr/share/doc/tor/README.privoxy? |
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| 00:30.50 | toad_ | zinx: evidently not ... |
| 00:30.52 | anima- | high fives zinx for not spoon feeding people |
| 00:31.18 | Seth_Hikaru | Bushmills: Can I rename the tty names in inittab? |
| 00:31.32 | Seth_Hikaru | Or will it cause problems? |
| 00:32.19 | Bushmills | ttyS0..3 device names are not determined by inittab. rather, you tell in inittab what device a getty must listen to. |
| 00:32.38 | Bushmills | if you change the device, the getty will listen to a different serial port |
| 00:33.01 | Seth_Hikaru | I'm not sure how to make qingy listen to the right one |
| 00:33.20 | Seth_Hikaru | quingy ttyS0 isn't right. |
| 00:33.41 | toad_ | zinx: i have now, but it still doesn't work |
| 00:34.08 | toad_ | well it seems to work for one site, so maybe the other links are just outdated |
| 00:34.12 | Bushmills | you don't use qingy to listen to serial port. you use getty for serial port. qingy you use for ... ah, my fault. i misunderstood |
| 00:34.16 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 00:34.38 | toad_ | zinx: i'm pretty sure i had it working before i upgraded to lenny? |
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| 00:35.00 | Bushmills | qingy you'd want on tty1...ttyn. getty you want on ttyS0... |
| 00:35.08 | zinx | toad_: it works for everyone else |
| 00:35.40 | Seth_Hikaru | Bushmills: So would I need to set up qingy now instead of getty? |
| 00:36.10 | Bushmills | for tty1... , yes |
| 00:36.15 | Seth_Hikaru | How? |
| 00:36.24 | Seth_Hikaru | Is it located in a file somewher? |
| 00:36.31 | Bushmills | how, "how"? |
| 00:36.46 | Bushmills | i'm not sure i understand your problem |
| 00:36.46 | Seth_Hikaru | doing qingy tty1 does nothing. |
| 00:36.55 | Seth_Hikaru | It just sits there. |
| 00:37.19 | Bushmills | what should it do, except sitting there? |
| 00:37.26 | Seth_Hikaru | I'm not sure. |
| 00:37.32 | anima- | man qingy |
| 00:37.37 | Seth_Hikaru | Is it supposed to display something? |
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| 00:37.46 | Bushmills | yes. a login prompt |
| 00:38.34 | Seth_Hikaru | I suppose I have to put -t at the end of it. |
| 00:38.47 | Seth_Hikaru | I just did man qingy and I can't get out of it. |
| 00:38.52 | Seth_Hikaru | WTH. |
| 00:39.12 | Bushmills | i don't memorize the man page completely, but i am 100% sure it explains what to put into inittab |
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| 00:39.40 | anima- | Seth_Hikaru, have you never used a man page before ? |
| 00:39.49 | anima- | :q |
| 00:39.52 | Seth_Hikaru | LOL, no. |
| 00:39.55 | anima- | ......... |
| 00:39.58 | Seth_Hikaru | That's the funny thing. |
| 00:40.11 | Seth_Hikaru | I've never been that stuck. |
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| 00:40.34 | anima- | Seth_Hikaru, your question asking privileges have been revoked till you have mastered man and google |
| 00:40.44 | Seth_Hikaru | ... |
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| 00:40.46 | Seth_Hikaru | But. |
| 00:40.49 | Seth_Hikaru | I have pie. |
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| 00:42.00 | Seth_Hikaru | Seriously though, I'm stuck at the end of the manual page, how do I get out? |
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| 00:42.06 | Bushmills | strawberries? |
| 00:42.19 | Seth_Hikaru | I guess I have to google this one. |
| 00:42.29 | Bushmills | they are red |
| 00:42.55 | Seth_Hikaru | WOOOO |
| 00:43.06 | Seth_Hikaru | I know what color they are. |
| 00:43.08 | Bushmills | botanically, they're not berries |
| 00:43.08 | Seth_Hikaru | q gets me out. |
| 00:43.13 | Seth_Hikaru | I know. |
| 00:43.43 | anima- | Seth_Hikaru, :q |
| 00:43.56 | Seth_Hikaru | Okay. |
| 00:44.01 | Bushmills | they belong to the family of nuts, iirc |
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| 00:44.28 | Seth_Hikaru | Bushmills: About the man page for qingy, it says nothing about what to put into inittab |
| 00:45.46 | Bushmills | last line suggests to use "info qingy" which tells |
| 00:46.05 | Seth_Hikaru | Touche. |
| 00:46.50 | Seth_Hikaru | Okay, I just lost control when I put screen into my terminal. |
| 00:46.57 | toad_ | of 10 hidden services referenced on the web, only one works (and that one failed in between working), with tor and privoxy configured according to readme ... is this a packaging problem or is it expected? |
| 00:47.40 | Seth_Hikaru | OMG can I run a screen within a screen? |
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| 00:49.05 | toad_ | Seth_Hikaru: you need to reassign the keystrokes |
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| 01:12.24 | muhoo | i'm trying to enable setting up bluetooth networking to start automatically. |
| 01:12.27 | prozaq | hi |
| 01:12.39 | muhoo | i did it on lenny with no problems, but it doesn't seem to be possible on squeeze |
| 01:12.41 | prozaq | i have mysql problem:( |
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| 01:13.00 | muhoo | the tutorial i'm following says to add a file /etc/bluetooth/pan/dev-up |
| 01:13.01 | prozaq | on debian 6.0 |
| 01:13.08 | muhoo | but there is no directory /etc/bluetooth/pan |
| 01:13.37 | prozaq | some one online? |
| 01:14.06 | jimcooncat | prozaq, you have to tell us the problem for anyone to help |
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| 01:14.45 | prozaq | i can't install mysql on my debian 6 |
| 01:15.26 | prozaq | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 01:16.05 | jimcooncat | unfortunately that error isn't very helpful |
| 01:16.13 | prozaq | wait |
| 01:16.13 | prozaq | ;p |
| 01:17.09 | prozaq | Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld. |
| 01:17.37 | prozaq | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
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| 01:17.53 | prozaq | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 01:18.12 | prozaq | invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed. |
| 01:18.55 | jimcooncat | prozaq, did you have it installed before? |
| 01:19.07 | prozaq | no |
| 01:19.09 | somiaj | prozaq: check out why the server is not starting. Check the logs is a good place to start. |
| 01:20.26 | jimcooncat | I would just try a reinstall: sudo aptitude purge mysql && sudo aptitude install mysql |
| 01:20.49 | jimcooncat | or whatever the package name is |
| 01:21.40 | prozaq | i make this but nothink:( |
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| 01:21.51 | jimcooncat | if the problem recurs, then scour the logs. |
| 01:22.26 | prozaq | i can tell ip log and psw and some one can help me |
| 01:23.07 | prozaq | because this serwer is my only home server |
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| 01:23.39 | thepro4ever | what are some good games i can run on debian |
| 01:23.48 | thepro4ever | like action style games |
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| 01:25.06 | jimcooncat | I like defendguin, but it's not too much action |
| 01:26.19 | prozaq | ehh |
| 01:26.20 | prozaq | :( |
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| 01:28.09 | prozaq | i don't have log\ |
| 01:29.00 | jimcooncat | thepro4ever, see http://www.lgdb.org/ |
| 01:30.13 | msarro | silly question everyone... what is the command line utility to configure Xorg in debian? pardon the n00bness... used to using CLI servers :) |
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| 01:31.36 | jimcooncat | prozaq: less /var/log/apt/term.log |
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| 01:33.38 | jimcooncat | msarro, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg |
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| 01:34.23 | cusco | hey folks |
| 01:34.53 | cusco | sensors-detect wont load any sensors.. I don't have a /proc/acpi/thermal_zone |
| 01:34.59 | cusco | how can I get to knwo cpu temperature? |
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| 01:35.59 | msarro | jimcooncat: sadly Xorg -configure isn't working, it's saying that the detected monitor doesn't match the hardware and it fails immediately after |
| 01:36.29 | msarro | note I am doing this on ppc |
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| 01:38.12 | jimcooncat | msarro, I'd approach it by trying the newest live-cd I could find, and if works then check the settings. |
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| 01:38.39 | prozaq | eh |
| 01:38.52 | prozaq | i don't have logs in mysql |
| 01:38.53 | prozaq | ;( |
| 01:38.54 | jimcooncat | I don't know nothing about ppc |
| 01:39.23 | jimcooncat | prozaq, I don't think you ever installed it to the point where it would start to make a log |
| 01:39.50 | prozaq | when i try install this tell my : Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
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| 01:41.31 | prozaq | can some one tell my what i must do? |
| 01:42.20 | Riviera | You might find some information in the logfile. |
| 01:42.33 | Riviera | Oh, sorry. |
| 01:42.37 | Riviera | That already was mentioned :/ |
| 01:43.27 | prozaq | http://www.linux-specialist.nl/2011/02/debian-6-squeeze-dist-upgrade-breaks-mysql-server/ |
| 01:43.29 | prozaq | ;/ |
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| 01:45.40 | karlpinc | !tell prozaq about readme.debian |
| 01:45.49 | karlpinc | prozaq: In case you didn't already read it. |
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| 01:46.09 | prozaq | link? |
| 01:46.25 | karlpinc | prozaq: /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ |
| 01:47.09 | prozaq | and? |
| 01:47.31 | karlpinc | prozaq: I've not been reading what your problem is, but if you've not read the instructions then you might have problems. |
| 01:47.42 | karlpinc | prozaq: Did you get the factoid text? |
| 01:47.50 | prozaq | :P |
| 01:50.17 | prozaq | ee |
| 01:50.32 | prozaq | readme dont tell my nothink |
| 01:50.34 | prozaq | ;/ |
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| 01:53.12 | Onryo | Is there a good program for Debian Squeeze that will clean my system of cruft? Maybe something like computer-janitor |
| 01:54.09 | prozaq | what happend ;/ eh |
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| 01:54.26 | karlpinc | Onryo: If you've gotten all your software from the debian package repos and used aptitude or apt-get your cruft should go away when you uninstall packages you don't want. |
| 01:54.56 | karlpinc | Onryo: What sort of cruft? |
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| 01:55.21 | Onryo | karlpinc I do a lot of developing and have tons and tons of files ie blah-dev etc that I don't need anymore. |
| 01:55.40 | Onryo | Tons of dependencies. |
| 01:57.11 | Wyzard | karlpinc: except for packages that are part of the initial installation, and don't have auto flags like they ought to :-) |
| 01:57.36 | karlpinc | Onryo: "aptitude search '~i!~M'"? |
| 01:57.38 | Wyzard | Onryo: When packages are installed automatically to satisfy dependencies, they're flagged as such |
| 01:57.50 | Wyzard | Onryo: and apt can remove them when nothing depends on them anymore |
| 01:57.57 | Onryo | I work a lot with the git of FFmpeg and the svn of Blender for example. |
| 01:58.05 | karlpinc | Onryo: That lists what you explictly installed. You can decide what you don't want. |
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| 01:58.23 | karlpinc | Onryo: Did you use stow to keep track of what's what when you installed stuff yourself? |
| 01:58.53 | karlpinc | Onryo: (And hopefully you installed into /usr/local/.) |
| 01:59.04 | Onryo | hmmm maybe if I start to use checkinstall when I compile stuff I can write something that would work with that? |
| 01:59.13 | prozaq | disconnect |
| 01:59.55 | boudiccas | prozaq; try /part |
| 02:00.12 | prozaq | ? |
| 02:00.14 | karlpinc | Onryo: I believe stow is preferred, but you may find checkinstall works for you. |
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| 02:00.45 | karlpinc | Onryo: See also the <stow usage> factoid. |
| 02:01.07 | karlpinc | Onryo: Just trash /usr/local and start over? |
| 02:01.32 | Onryo | karlpinc Ill give them a try. Feels like I got more dependencies on my system then programs =P |
| 02:01.57 | karlpinc | Onryo: Of course. |
| 02:03.17 | karlpinc | Onryo: The nice thing about debian and apt is that debian does the system's integration for you so you don't have to. Most people will have their system turn to muck and have to eventually wipe and re-install if they do their own system's integration. |
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| 02:04.03 | boudiccas | Onryo; try 'sudo apt-get autoremove' for getting rid of your extraneous dependencies |
| 02:04.34 | karlpinc | Onryo: You might be able to wack something together with debsums. |
| 02:04.40 | Onryo | hmmm... Ill give that a go. |
| 02:05.12 | karlpinc | Onryo, boudiccas: I find that if I use aptitude that takes care of itself. (And I thought the newer apt-get's did that too.) |
| 02:05.41 | karlpinc | boudiccas: When is autoremove needed? |
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| 02:06.36 | prozaq | can some one help? |
| 02:06.42 | karlpinc | Onryo: It's also important to follow the release notes when upgrading. It has instructions for removing old/unused/obsolete/etc stuff and for preparing for the next release. |
| 02:07.00 | Onryo | The only thing that was a little iffy was putting a static python3.2 under /opt since I was not 100% sure where it should go. All other standards I have followed protocol with ie /usr/local |
| 02:07.20 | xrfang_ | I am reading about remastersys. if I build a installation cd I hope that it can be installed on *other* computers, i.e. it should has all network drivers that are *not* used on current system. how to ensure that? |
| 02:07.21 | xrfang_ | thanks |
| 02:08.15 | karlpinc | prozaq: Are your sources.list accurate, contain no non-debian sources, and have you done a "aptitude safe-upgrade" lately? What version of debian? |
| 02:08.28 | boudiccas | karlpinc; when you've got orphaned dependencies from removal of a main file |
| 02:08.37 | prozaq | 6,0 |
| 02:08.52 | karlpinc | boudiccas: apt-get does not do this automatically? |
| 02:09.00 | prozaq | i have some old sources.list |
| 02:09.16 | boudiccas | karlpinc; not for the orphans |
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| 02:09.27 | karlpinc | prozaq: That could be the problem. |
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| 02:09.39 | prozaq | why? |
| 02:09.44 | karlpinc | boudiccas: For some reason I thought apt-get did that. Aptitude seems to. |
| 02:10.21 | karlpinc | prozaq: Because debian is designed to work with debian sources for the given release. Old or non-debian sources voids the warranty. |
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| 02:11.04 | karlpinc | boudiccas: In that case I suppose deborphan could help. |
| 02:11.25 | Onryo | I use Ubuntu at work since that is what they give us there. I wrote this bash script yesterday for some transcoding. http://pastebin.com/NHXrsBxm |
| 02:11.57 | karlpinc | xrfang_: Wouldn't you want to use the debian-cd package? |
| 02:12.32 | Onryo | Thing is that I might port it the "right way" to Debian and I don't want all the dependencies left around when I get bored of it. |
| 02:13.06 | Onryo | The one for the svn of Blender is a 1000x worse. |
| 02:13.13 | karlpinc | prozaq: You want to talk to the channel so everyone can help. |
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| 02:13.34 | VoltageX | hi, I'm trying to set up an NFS/Netboot combo |
| 02:13.51 | blast_hardcheese | runs for cover |
| 02:14.04 | VoltageX | The kernel & initrd load and boot fine from TFTPD, but then it doesn't even try to connect to my NFS |
| 02:14.31 | prozaq | i need sources.list |
| 02:14.40 | karlpinc | Onryo: There's always making your own .deb files, but I suppose you'd have to have your own repo to take full advantage of apt and it's dependency resolution/removal. Do you know about dmm? See the <dmm> and <overview> factoids. |
| 02:14.43 | prozaq | and i make update |
| 02:14.52 | VoltageX | prozaq: for what country and suite? |
| 02:14.59 | prozaq | POLAND |
| 02:15.15 | VoltageX | prozaq: testing/stable? |
| 02:15.22 | prozaq | stable |
| 02:15.25 | prozaq | 6,0 |
| 02:15.41 | VoltageX | prozaq: and what is your problem with it? |
| 02:15.53 | prozaq | i need;p |
| 02:16.29 | karlpinc | !tell VoltageX about linux-doc |
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| 02:16.57 | Onryo | karlpinc I am looking right now at factoids. << I am putting on my tinfoil hat ! |
| 02:17.01 | karlpinc | You probably need the right kernel parameter for the root nfs share. Getting that in requires knowing your boot loader. |
| 02:17.01 | DasEi | prozaq: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 02:18.09 | karlpinc | VoltageX: You probably have an initramfs that will do nfs, although I suppose that could be a problem. |
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| 02:19.01 | prozaq | thx |
| 02:19.14 | VoltageX | karlpinc: how do I check my generated initramfs image for what it supports? |
| 02:19.19 | karlpinc | VoltageX: I think there's a thin client page at wiki.debian.org. |
| 02:19.35 | VoltageX | karlpinc: 99% confident in my kernel parameters |
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| 02:20.31 | karlpinc | VoltageX: man -k initramfs Last I paid attention I thought it was an ar archive and could be unpacked and poked at. It's something. Use file? I forget. |
| 02:20.31 | Schroeder | You should really be using Slackware. |
| 02:21.01 | karlpinc | VoltageX: The ltsp people (ltsp.org) know all about this sort of stuff. |
| 02:21.04 | VoltageX | karlpinc: The thin client info in the wiki is for DebianEdu, but if I get this working I may write it up |
| 02:21.13 | VoltageX | cool. Thanks. |
| 02:22.51 | karlpinc | VoltageX: (And to be sure you know what's happening running tcpdump/wireshark on your nfs server wouldn't hurt.) |
| 02:23.40 | VoltageX | karlpinc: am already running tcpdump - tftp traffic is there, nfs traffic is not |
| 02:24.16 | karlpinc | VoltageX: Shouldn't you have console output? |
| 02:24.29 | VoltageX | karlpinc: from what? |
| 02:24.43 | karlpinc | VoltageX: From the kernel and the initramfs. |
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| 02:25.07 | VoltageX | karlpinc: "kernel panic: attempted to kill init" |
| 02:25.30 | karlpinc | VoltageX: Isn't there a clue in there? |
| 02:25.56 | VoltageX | karlpinc: google suggests that message happens with faulty sata controllers, but that doesn't make sense here |
| 02:25.57 | karlpinc | VoltageX: about mounting /? |
| 02:26.56 | karlpinc | VoltageX: It might. You might need to disable sata since there's no disks. (Isn't that something that happens in the initramfs? Are you building your own?) |
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| 02:28.18 | VoltageX | karlpinc: afaict that happens when I told mkinitramfs to build with nfs support |
| 02:29.14 | karlpinc | VoltageX: Maybe it's not got network? You need to peruse the console output. (A serial console never hurts.) |
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| 02:29.47 | VoltageX | hmm, I'll try this on a machine with serial support. |
| 02:29.52 | prozaq | this fu... mysql dosn't work |
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| 02:31.18 | karlpinc | prozaq: After removing your old stuff from sources.list you need to "aptitude update" and remove obsolete packages (those that arn't in the debian repos). The only way to do that I know of is to use aptitude's interactive mode. (Although there must be another way.) |
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| 02:33.29 | prozaq | i make update |
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| 02:34.40 | prozaq | ok i go sleep |
| 02:34.41 | prozaq | thx |
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| 02:45.43 | Big_Brother | what does it mean when 'wired network' says 'device not managed' ? |
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| 02:46.47 | VoltageX | karlpinc: got serial output, doesn't make much sense to me though |
| 02:47.28 | VoltageX | /lib/modules/2.6.38-2-amd64/modules.dep: No such file or directory - I know that file exists on the NFS export |
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| 02:50.38 | VoltageX | AHA! Initramfs built against the wrong kernel :/ |
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| 03:05.56 | Datz | Hi, does anyone know how I can make gnome terminal's url handler open links in iceweasle instead of epiphany web browser? |
| 03:06.31 | Datz | humm, maybe a browser setting, and not gnome terminal /me thinks |
| 03:07.19 | rickbol | Datz: update-alternatives ??? |
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| 03:07.50 | Datz | that is a command? |
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| 03:08.20 | Datz | maybe something with gconftool? |
| 03:09.26 | karlpinc | Datz: update-alternatives sets Debian preferences for various apps that do the same thing. gnome has it's only configs and I find it to be voodoo. |
| 03:09.27 | rickbol | Datz: yep. at a console prompt. Try "update-alternatives --all" it'll go thru a list of apps that are the system defaults and other options to chooses from |
| 03:09.34 | karlpinc | s/only/own/ |
| 03:09.47 | Datz | lol karlpinc |
| 03:10.02 | Datz | rickbol, karlpinc thanks I'll give it a go |
| 03:10.12 | VoltageX | one issue fixed, next issue. |
| 03:10.29 | rickbol | I don't know gnome's voodpoo |
| 03:10.35 | rickbol | voodoo |
| 03:10.43 | VoltageX | anubis rpc.mountd[7987]: Cannot export /media/nfs-one, possibly unsupported filesystem or fsid= required |
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| 03:11.14 | IceWewe | how does one specify the memory size of dom0 in grub2? |
| 03:11.18 | IceWewe | I can't find documentation for it |
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| 03:13.07 | Datz | rickbol, karlpinc: thanks. worked perfectly, and even got to make some other changes I wanted :) |
| 03:14.45 | IceWewe | dom0 memory limit? I've tried setting it in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX and GRUB_CMDLINE_XEN but neither has any effect :( |
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| 03:15.47 | VoltageX | IceWewe: tried ##xen channel? |
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| 03:16.24 | IceWewe | VoltageX, I have not... Hmm, perhaps I should have asked there first. |
| 03:20.11 | IceWewe | VoltageX, "Oh, just add-- oh, grub2." |
| 03:20.43 | VoltageX | I'm unsure, I've never used Xen |
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| 03:23.49 | VoltageX | woot, debian netboot |
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| 03:26.57 | Iridos | gotta remember "vodpoo" |
| 03:27.18 | nvz | *lol* |
| 03:27.20 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:27.24 | nvz | oh well |
| 03:27.58 | nvz | my keyboard has been needing replaced for a long time.. tried to throw in a lol cheerleader there real quick.. but it probably was a stupid thing to do anyhow |
| 03:28.02 | karlpinc | VoltageX: Cool. FYI. I think there's some sort of sysreq key combo that lets you scroll up on a console. ?? Anything different from the debian-edu netboot? (Want to add some debugging tips?) |
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| 03:29.19 | LF-LSD | IF anyone lives in SAN LUIS OBISPO, CA. And would be willing to sell me some Psychedelics. I will be your best friend forever. |
| 03:29.21 | Iridos | err... what? |
| 03:29.50 | nvz | LF-LSD: I could tell you where to score a k-line.. |
| 03:30.07 | LF-LSD | special K? |
| 03:30.21 | nvz | oh its special alright.. made by the freenode staff |
| 03:30.22 | Iridos | ask in #freenode, they got some |
| 03:30.25 | nvz | heh |
| 03:30.27 | LF-LSD | ketamine |
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| 03:30.31 | LF-LSD | kk |
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| 03:30.48 | LF-LSD | ill ask in #freenode, the ones with the power to perma-ban me. Sounds smart. |
| 03:30.58 | Iridos | nvz, always make sure to direct people politely to the correct channel |
| 03:31.09 | nvz | LF-LSD: thought we had ya there for a minute |
| 03:31.13 | LF-LSD | :P |
| 03:31.14 | nvz | Iridos: haha, right.. |
| 03:31.23 | LF-LSD | My last ditch effort....I am sorry :((((( |
| 03:32.01 | nvz | It was a horrible one.. try /b/ or facebook |
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| 03:32.50 | Iridos | "dealing drugs is offtopic on #debian"... one wonders why it's not in the topic |
| 03:32.51 | Iridos | :-P |
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| 03:33.26 | nvz | I haven't read the topic other than what I can see at the top of my screen in years.. but it doesn't seem like its changed in a couple months |
| 03:33.46 | Iridos | sure did! |
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| 03:33.56 | Iridos | "wheezy/sid: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) " |
| 03:34.20 | Iridos | that's not older than 2 weeks |
| 03:34.37 | Iridos | i.e. it's less... I think only a couple of days |
| 03:34.44 | nvz | ah.. yeah I only see to /msg bots NOT people | |
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| 03:35.30 | DasEi | nvz: k-lines only, hehe, good one, back topic |
| 03:36.08 | nvz | I looked in cause I had a minute or two.. waiting on my cousin to get out of the BR... hoping to see a quick easy issue |
| 03:36.16 | nvz | but its dead in here.. |
| 03:36.54 | VoltageX | karlpinc: what info do you need? I'm not sure how it's different from debian-edu - I started with a debootstrap into an nfs exported directory |
| 03:37.48 | nvz | I always thought i'd be cool to make some kinda app for dumbasses and maybe integrate it with some irssi plugins to make an official debian support system kinda deal.. that works similar to those online chats dell or such has |
| 03:38.26 | VoltageX | nvz: There's still the same issue as always, helper:asker ratio. |
| 03:38.39 | nvz | that way I can just pop on and easily see at a glance open issues, and whatnot |
| 03:38.56 | VoltageX | ticket system + irc bot? |
| 03:39.00 | nvz | yeah.. heh |
| 03:39.16 | Iridos | n o ! |
| 03:39.18 | VoltageX | that'd be a cool extension to the bot in here. |
| 03:39.41 | VoltageX | ok, off to try this netboot on this system. |
| 03:39.43 | VoltageX | back later |
| 03:40.15 | Iridos | !next |
| 03:40.15 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 03:40.48 | nvz | idk I think it'd be a half-way decent idea.. to just be able to escalate issues directly to the bts, or mailing lists or somewhere and stuff |
| 03:41.16 | Iridos | nvz, ha, I always got a question as back-up in case people get bored... but they're never quick&easy, because then they wouldn't be questions I have :-P |
| 03:41.38 | Iridos | anyway, I think I ran out of |
| 03:41.55 | nvz | yeah I always had that myself.. but I rarely ask questions anyhow.. for that reason |
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| 03:42.39 | nvz | I did something beyond stupid last night and screwed dpkg with a ppa package |
| 03:42.53 | Iridos | well... but as I cannot answer them, and nobody else can easily, they used to keep :) |
| 03:43.10 | nvz | you'd think I'd know better.. but stranger things have happened when you stay up till dawn on the computer and have root access |
| 03:43.25 | Iridos | like me right now? |
| 03:43.27 | Iridos | mmmh |
| 03:43.30 | nvz | stil havent fixed it yet |
| 03:43.38 | nvz | just set it back to install so I could get on with life |
| 03:44.07 | nvz | it errs out everytime I install something but at least with it set to install and not remove, I can still install new packages |
| 03:44.20 | Iridos | "set it back to install"? |
| 03:44.34 | nvz | I'm gonna have to pry it out manually with needle nose pliers |
| 03:44.47 | nvz | yeah as in dpkg -i package |
| 03:45.09 | Iridos | is it... |
| 03:45.11 | Iridos | !postinst |
| 03:45.11 | dpkg | During package installation, dpkg runs a script called the "preinst", unpacks the contents of the .deb and then runs the "postinst". When removing, it runs the "prerm", deletes the files and then runs the "postrm". These scripts can be found in /var/lib/dpkg/info/$package.{pre,post}{inst,rm}; as a last resort to fixing packaging problems, you can edit the script, e.g. by making the second line "exit 0" of a shell script. |
| 03:45.14 | nvz | when a package is broke on removal, you can't install anything cause the removals occur before the installs and dpkg errs out |
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| 03:46.13 | nvz | wanders off and takes phone to ssh in |
| 03:46.22 | Iridos | where did the bit go that says "mostly the cause of all trouble" or somesuch in that factoid |
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| 03:46.41 | nvz | or not.. lost the phone |
| 03:47.13 | Iridos | revisons for the factoids would be cool... that way it'd be clear more easily if just your memory fails or the factoid changed |
| 03:47.31 | Iridos | oh well... 6am |
| 03:47.39 | Iridos | better go, grab some sleep |
| 03:49.43 | Iridos | !postrm |
| 03:49.43 | dpkg | During package installation, dpkg runs a script called the "preinst", unpacks the contents of the .deb and then runs the "postinst". When removing, it runs the "prerm", deletes the files and then runs the "postrm". These scripts can be found in /var/lib/dpkg/info/$package.{pre,post}{inst,rm}; as a last resort to fixing packaging problems, you can edit the script, e.g. by making the second line "exit 0" of a shell script. |
| 03:49.54 | Iridos | hm... that's not where it went |
| 03:50.47 | Iridos | gn |
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| 03:52.24 | karlpinc | !tell Iridos about msg the bot |
| 03:52.54 | wols_ | factinfo postrm |
| 03:52.58 | wols_ | !factinfo postrm |
| 03:52.58 | dpkg | postrm -- last modified at Wed Mar 16 13:22:11 2011 by themill!~stuart@unaffiliated/themill; it has been requested 53 times, last by Iridos, 3m 16s ago. |
| 03:52.59 | Iridos | !tell karlpinc he knows but doesn't care right now |
| 03:54.05 | rypervenche | Is it possible to have my clipboard delete what is in it after I paste its contents once? For example I have my password in the clipboard, once I paste it into my password box, I would like it to delete the clipboards contents so no one else could paste it and see it. |
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| 03:55.17 | Iridos | don't think so... anyway, it would be extremely confusing, I think |
| 03:55.18 | Oak | waves |
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| 03:55.54 | Iridos | but you could use keepassx, which can "type" the password for you, bypassing the whole copy&paste thing |
| 03:55.57 | Iridos | IIRc |
| 03:56.35 | thims | is there a package for debian that has extended documentation for C libraries? |
| 03:56.48 | thims | I cant seem to find docs on many libraries, even using man3 |
| 03:57.06 | rypervenche | well I have xclip putting the password into my clipboard right now. |
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| 03:58.02 | thims | manpages-dev is what I wanted, nm. |
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| 04:05.53 | muhoo | how can i get bluetooth networking to start up at boot? |
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| 04:06.11 | muhoo | meaning, as a server, pand in master mode |
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| 04:07.57 | neoice | can you grow and resize an LVM partition while mounted? |
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| 04:10.11 | DasEi | neoice: nope |
| 04:10.21 | thims | muhoo: write an init script using /etc/init.d/skeleton as the base, and add it to a run level? |
| 04:10.49 | Seth_Hikaru | I'm trying to uninstall this package I installed and it's telling me it doesn't exist. |
| 04:10.50 | muhoo | hmm, i notice i have a bigger problem. it doesn't work if i start it manually from the command line either |
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| 04:11.13 | muhoo | sudo pand -s -r NAP, great, the daemon starts, but nobody can connect to it, or scan it |
| 04:11.13 | Seth_Hikaru | How the heck am I supposed to remove. |
| 04:11.32 | muhoo | i have Class = 0x020100 |
| 04:12.53 | thims | Seth_Hikaru: did you install it manually? you can always $(locate) it and delete its parts manually.. I guess. |
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| 04:13.21 | thims | Seth_Hikaru: if you built it from source, go to the source directory and do "make uninstall" |
| 04:13.44 | thims | muhoo: /me shugs |
| 04:14.17 | Seth_Hikaru | thims: I used GDebi., |
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| 04:15.07 | muhoo | it's a permissions error |
| 04:15.11 | muhoo | pan0 is running on the device |
| 04:15.25 | muhoo | but i can't connect to it. failed. Connection refused(111) |
| 04:15.47 | thims | muhoo: try it as root? dangerous but might help diagnose. |
| 04:16.14 | muhoo | i am |
| 04:17.13 | muhoo | heh, now i have even bigger problems. dropped a bluetooth dongle onto the mb while it was running. |
| 04:17.27 | muhoo | shorted out who knows how many pins. bye bye pc |
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| 04:29.44 | pnukeid | i have problem with forwarding rdp on debian for gateway ? |
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| 04:33.46 | kououken | Hello friends. Is there a way to add a repository to sources.list for only one specific package, or for packages in a specific subdirectory? For example, I'd like to use some mepis repos for new Wine packages, but don't need any other mepis stuff. |
| 04:35.41 | streuner_ | dpkg, bobbitt |
| 04:35.42 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt ]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Lenny, Squeeze, and any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 04:36.10 | kououken | Haha.. great way to explain it. |
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| 04:36.36 | kououken | So I suppose installing the wine packages manually from winehq is the best way to stay up to date then? |
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| 04:37.36 | craigevil | kououken: its doable but not recommended, easier to use the source from http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ |
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| 04:39.18 | kououken | craigevil: I think the latest through official debian repos is 1.1.32? It seems quite old compared to the current 1.3+ |
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| 04:40.00 | kououken | craigevil: I'm not very familiar with Wine yet though, so it's stability I'm going for. |
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| 04:43.44 | craigevil | kououken: if stevepusser built the mepis packages they 'should' be ok, check on forums.debian.net for how to get newer wine |
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| 04:51.35 | kououken | craigevil: Yeah, it was some posts on forums.debian.net that recommended his packages. I'm still experimenting with Debian and trying to make the transition from Windows, so wine is still a necessity for some things. |
| 04:54.22 | karlpinc | kououken: Since your new, see below: |
| 04:54.23 | karlpinc | !overview |
| 04:54.23 | dpkg | Debian stable does not always include all the software people need or want so there is much official, semi-official, and non-official software available for stable. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware . Ask me about <security>, <installer firmware>, <backports>, <squeeze-updates>, <multimedia>, <non-free>, <contrib>, <emdebian>, <debian live>. See also <grounding>, <social contract>. |
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| 05:02.43 | dudz_ | does anyone else get torrent trackers name resolve errors in there syslog ?, i think its got something to do with those people trying to port scan everyone, or someone whoes ip you just got that came from someone who was recently using that shit |
| 05:02.49 | dudz_ | or what do yous reckon ? |
| 05:04.47 | dudz_ | just tryign to figure out why thats showing up in the syslog when i'm fairly sure my client doesn't use torrents |
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| 05:07.04 | Big_Brother | what does it mean when 'wired network' says 'device not managed' ? |
| 05:07.07 | dudz_ | doesn't show anything up in tcpdump, atleaste not atm |
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| 05:07.41 | dudz_ | your looking at your graphical desktop Big_Brother ? |
| 05:07.51 | dudz_ | and an icon is coming up that is called wired network ? |
| 05:07.58 | wols_ | Big_Brother: network manager doesn't manage that interface |
| 05:08.00 | dudz_ | and when you hover over that it says device not managerd ? |
| 05:08.23 | wols_ | dudz_: which dameon writes those in your syslog? |
| 05:08.31 | dudz_ | named |
| 05:08.36 | dudz_ | i think its bind9 |
| 05:08.44 | dudz_ | the service name |
| 05:08.49 | Big_Brother | dudz_: networkmanager applet 0.8.1 |
| 05:09.07 | dudz_ | Big_Brother, thats where you would look then to findout what things it says mean |
| 05:10.26 | karlpinc | dudz_: Something is doing DNS lookups. If it's not a deamon you're running and exposing to the world it's some program a user is running. |
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| 05:11.31 | dudz_ | its not a daemon since i have firewalled everything to be blocked, so that means it must be one of the users on the network who is calling those name lookups ?, hmm |
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| 05:12.12 | karlpinc | dudz_: Why firewall when you can just not run the daemons or not have them listen? |
| 05:12.40 | dudz_ | i like to block replys to give connection timed out instead of connection refused to confuse port scanners |
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| 05:12.56 | karlpinc | dudz_: If you're exposing DNS and allowing lookups from the network then it could be any box on the network asking for DNS resolution. |
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| 05:13.38 | Big_Brother | wols_, dudz_, it does indicate that even though i have a ethernetnet cable in there, i'm not connected. |
| 05:14.24 | orzo | hey, anybody know a good touch-screen operated pdf reader for debian? |
| 05:14.51 | orzo | id like to scroll by pushing th epage rather than using a scrollbar |
| 05:15.28 | dudz_ | karlpinc, i'm not very new to dns and dhcp servers but unless i have port 505 or whatever it is open, no one from the internet can lookup dns can they, so it has to be someone on the internal network doing those dns requests ? |
| 05:15.41 | dudz_ | *i am very new to dns/dhcp i ment |
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| 05:16.27 | karlpinc | dudz_: Yes. |
| 05:16.33 | dudz_ | ok great thanks, |
| 05:16.41 | dudz_ | i just wanted to besure before i started acusing anyone |
| 05:16.53 | karlpinc | dudz_: You want to read the dns and dhcp rfcs (and/or wikipedia) |
| 05:17.12 | karlpinc | dudz_: Could be a virus somewhere too. Who knows. |
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| 05:17.23 | dudz_ | yeah there is windows desktops in there |
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| 05:17.46 | karlpinc | dudz_: The dns overview rfc is particularly good. |
| 05:18.34 | dudz_ | great, i'm gonna read up on that, rfc's are documented standards hey, each time a new standard coems out a new rfc number is asigned to them ? |
| 05:19.15 | karlpinc | !rfc |
| 05:19.16 | dpkg | Request for Comments (RFC) is an Internet Engineering Task Force memorandum on Internet systems and standards. http://www.ietf.org/rfc.html http://tools.ietf.org/rfc/ http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc.html . For private address ranges, see <rfc 1918>. |
| 05:19.37 | dudz_ | yeah request for comments, ok great thanks. |
| 05:21.23 | allquixotic | Hi, is there a way to install with the debian "standard" ISO ? I know it's CLI only but |
| 05:22.35 | orzo | the installer cd image? |
| 05:22.44 | orzo | is there a way to install with it? umm |
| 05:22.49 | orzo | of course? |
| 05:24.45 | allquixotic | orzo: No, it's just called "debian-live-6.0.1-i386-standard.iso" |
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| 05:24.55 | orzo | oh debian live |
| 05:25.02 | allquixotic | It doesn't print any instructions when it logs you into the shell, so I don't know which command to run to perform an install to disk. |
| 05:25.03 | wols_ | allquixotic: debian has a graphical install for years |
| 05:25.36 | wols_ | allquixotic: it's a LIVE cd, not meant for installation to harddisk. this isn't ubuntu here |
| 05:26.13 | allquixotic | wols_: I don't know the nomenclature that Debian uses for describing what is included with each ISO spin. What would be the smallest ISO image (in terms of download size) that is installable? |
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| 05:26.20 | wols_ | !tell allquixotic about ig |
| 05:26.33 | wols_ | allquixotic: netinst is the smallest. about 150MB approx |
| 05:26.34 | orzo | you can install to hd if you do everything manually |
| 05:26.50 | orzo | or is there an apt-getable installer? |
| 05:27.27 | allquixotic | Hmm... if there *is* an apt-gettable installer, I could probably use the live-standard image I already downloaded. Using a very standard ethernet chipset for networking. |
| 05:27.37 | allquixotic | Just need to run dhclient then install the installer, then run it, I guess |
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| 05:28.09 | wols_ | allquixotic: which would download all packages from the internet then anyways. netinst isn't bigger since all the packages from it are required anyways |
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| 05:28.21 | wols_ | but you can use debootstrap for example. yes |
| 05:28.24 | orzo | debian-installer package description: "This package currently only contains some documentation for the Debian installer. We welcome suggestions about what else to put in it." -- how about an installer usable from the live cd? |
| 05:29.34 | orzo | i say use debootstrap |
| 05:29.37 | orzo | go for it |
| 05:29.40 | orzo | heh |
| 05:29.56 | wols_ | if you do, read the documentation FIRST |
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| 05:34.15 | allquixotic | I'm pretty experienced doing installs from the CLI and other difficult things, I just didn't understand the way the ISOs are labeled and what that entails ... sorry and thanks |
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| 05:38.43 | Bushmills | hm.. debian live *does* have both run+install functionality |
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| 05:40.31 | warpzero | hm.. Bushmills *does* have both irish+whiskey functionality |
| 05:41.06 | Bushmills | observer the /pool directory on live cd |
| 05:41.10 | Bushmills | observe ... |
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| 05:42.18 | Bushmills | warpzero: it also has triple destillation feature |
| 05:43.46 | wols_ | Bushmills: but is the actually installer packaged there, ready to run? |
| 05:43.57 | Bushmills | yes. from grub boot menu |
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| 05:47.32 | Bushmills | if that's grub at all which presents the menu |
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| 05:54.49 | owen1_ | I try to enable wireless on a thinkpad x120e laptop. it has Realtek RTL8188CE so I follow the instructions here - http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 05:54.52 | owen1_ | i don't understand step 3 - 'If not already performed, connect the device to your system'. what device are they talking about? |
| 05:54.55 | owen1_ | and step 4 tells me the kernel module should be loaded. what does that mean and how to make sure it's loaded? |
| 05:54.58 | owen1_ | btw, iwconfig does shows eth0 and pan0 |
| 05:55.42 | wols_ | from what I remember 2,6,32 doesn't have drivers for your realtek chip. get the 2.6.38 backport, it should have it |
| 05:56.16 | owen1_ | wols_: yeah. archlinux wiki mentioned it |
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| 05:56.37 | owen1_ | wols_: how do i get that? |
| 05:56.54 | wols_ | !backports |
| 05:56.54 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 05:57.32 | wols_ | owen1_: read the instructions page on backports.debian.org |
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| 05:58.11 | owen1_ | wols_: ok |
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| 06:02.32 | cvenomz | I have a debian machine set up as a router behind another router which is the gateway to my isp. Everything within the local network, behind the debian router or not, can ping each other just fine. But anything behind the debian router cant ping anything external, like 8.8.8.8 or google.com. What are some things I could be doing wrong? |
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| 06:04.11 | wols_ | your debian machine isn't forwarding packets. also what is your ISP LAN router's network range and what is your debian router's network ip range |
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| 06:05.37 | cvenomz | isp network: 192.168.1.0 debian network: 192.168.2.0 a traceroute reveals that it hops to the debian router, and to the isp router, but no further |
| 06:06.38 | cvenomz | I also have a static route defined on the isp router telling 192.168.2.0 to go to the debian router's 192.168.1.0 interface |
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| 06:07.07 | Bushmills | cvenomz: does either your internet router, or your debian router, do NAT? |
| 06:07.19 | cvenomz | yes, the isp router |
| 06:08.26 | Bushmills | do local machines use a proper default gateway? |
| 06:08.38 | Bushmills | nv. they do |
| 06:08.41 | Bushmills | nm |
| 06:08.49 | Bushmills | but, does internet router do too? |
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| 06:09.28 | cvenomz | proper gateway for the internet router? |
| 06:09.48 | wols_ | cvenomz: so you can access the ISP router's web interface from the clients behind the debian router? |
| 06:09.52 | Bushmills | yes. internet router routing packets to a machine, actually willing to pass them on |
| 06:10.25 | project2501a | lol |
| 06:10.34 | project2501a | "YOU ARE ABOUT TO REMOVE SYSTEM PACKAGES" |
| 06:10.40 | project2501a | man last time i use regular expressions |
| 06:11.35 | cvenomz | @wols: that is correct @Bushmills: I believe so. Isp router can ping machines behind the debian router |
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| 06:11.52 | cvenomz | @Bushmills: if that is what you mean |
| 06:12.04 | Bushmills | can isp router ping 8.8.8.8? |
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| 06:12.44 | wols_ | then it seems your ISP router has a narrow definition for what's in its served network. you can do either of two things: run another NAT on the debian box, or put all machines into the 192.168.1.0/24 network and set the netmask on the debian box accordingly |
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| 06:13.24 | wols_ | Bushmills: consumer routers rarely have a telnet or ssh running by default. so it's not really possible to check :( |
| 06:13.42 | Bushmills | wols_: "@Bushmills: I believe so. Isp router can ping machines behind the debian router" |
| 06:13.52 | cvenomz | @Bushmills: yes, it can. And so can all machines on the network NOT behind the debian router |
| 06:14.28 | cvenomz | @wols- :\ I was trying to avoid a solution like that if possible |
| 06:14.42 | Bushmills | cvenomz: debian router firewall. or, disable NAT on debian firewall. |
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| 06:15.14 | Bushmills | ehm. no. no NAT. or, NAT the wrong way, inwards bound NAT |
| 06:16.36 | Bushmills | debian router can ping 8.8.8.8? |
| 06:16.42 | cvenomz | debian firewall is not masquerading. iptables accepting everything by default. What do you mean by inwards NAT? |
| 06:16.45 | cvenomz | ah |
| 06:17.12 | Bushmills | that it NATs requests from isp router towards LAN |
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| 06:18.03 | cvenomz | it seems that the debian router can traceroute 8.8.8.8 from 192.168.1.0 interface, but not from 192.168.2.0 interface. |
| 06:18.27 | cvenomz | and to my knowledge, the debian router is not performing any type of nat at all |
| 06:18.50 | Bushmills | ip_forwards is most likely enabled, otherwise your isp router couldn't ping LAN hosts |
| 06:18.59 | Bushmills | p_forward |
| 06:19.07 | Bushmills | grr... well, you get the gist |
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| 06:20.25 | cvenomz | iptables set-up script contains line "eho 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" |
| 06:20.26 | Bushmills | your isp router may also reject to NAT packets from a subnet other than its own network |
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| 06:21.32 | cvenomz | it shouldnt be receiving nat packets though; it is the only nat on the network |
| 06:21.35 | Bushmills | your LAN machines can ping router, right? |
| 06:21.42 | cvenomz | correct |
| 06:22.16 | owen1_ | wols_: after adding the backports line to sources, i think i need to run this - aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') wireless-tools is that correct? |
| 06:22.17 | Bushmills | but it has to NAT them. it may refuse to do so, for packets on another subnet than its own subnet. such as the packets routed from LAN through debian router to isp router |
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| 06:24.02 | Bushmills | owen1_: finally migrated to debian? |
| 06:25.15 | owen1_ | Bushmills: is it because of my questions? |
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| 06:25.46 | Bushmills | iirc, you were notorious for getting your ubuntu questions answered on #debian |
| 06:26.08 | owen1_ | Bushmills: i guess so (-: |
| 06:26.19 | Bushmills | so i wonder whether that being sent away to ubuntu caused you to hop |
| 06:26.32 | owen1_ | ubuntu guys like to point and click. i prefer the terminal |
| 06:27.12 | cvenomz | @Bushmills: I suppose that may make sense. Any idea on why it cant NAT it, but it can respond to it? |
| 06:27.14 | owen1_ | also i like clean machine, with xorg and awesome WM. xubuntu was not lean enough for me |
| 06:27.37 | Bushmills | cvenomz: that may be a security feature of its built-in firmware |
| 06:27.52 | pnukeid1 | guys i have problem with forwarding windows rdc connection that through my debian gateway |
| 06:27.53 | Bushmills | alternatively, it is isp router's firewall config |
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| 06:29.33 | cvenomz | Ill search that real quick. Think there would be any hope of changing that configuration? |
| 06:29.34 | Bushmills | cvenomz: if there's only the debian router connected to it, which may receive its ip address on the isp router network interface, try to give it a static address, or bind dhcp address to its MAC, and widen the isp router netmask so that it includes the LAN subnet. |
| 06:29.53 | wols_ | which is why I said you need to put all hosts into 192.168.0.0/24 |
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| 06:30.55 | wols_ | owen1_: aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6 should be enough |
| 06:31.14 | owen1_ | wols_: is that the line i need to run for upgrading my kernel to 2.6.38-2? aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') wireless-tools |
| 06:31.22 | owen1_ | wols_: ok |
| 06:32.54 | owen1_ | wols_: before i run that, i want to make sure my sources is fine - i have squeeze-backports main, squeeze main contrib non-free, updates main and squeeze-updates main. should i change the last 2 to non-free? |
| 06:33.24 | cvenomz | so, kinda make the debian router into a debian bridge? with both interfaces on the same subnet? |
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| 06:33.52 | wols_ | cvenomz: no. make the debian router have two subnets |
| 06:34.11 | wols_ | one for ips .0 to .127, the other for .128 to .255 |
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| 06:36.57 | cvenomz | would this still work if there are other users on the network that bypass the debian router? |
| 06:38.02 | wols_ | sure. those are in the .0 - .127 part. however, they can't reach the debian clients then |
| 06:38.34 | Bushmills | cvenomz: doing NAT on both debian router and isp router would probably do. though widening the isp router netmask might be preferrable |
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| 06:39.54 | wols_ | yes, a wider netmask if possible is the best solution |
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| 06:40.34 | cvenomz | so, instead of 255.255.255.0, make it something like 255.255.255.128? |
| 06:40.42 | Bushmills | that's narrowing it |
| 06:40.49 | cvenomz | ok ok |
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| 06:41.01 | owen1_ | i am about to install kernel from backport and want a second eye on my sources.list. can anyone take a look? https://gist.github.com/971999 |
| 06:41.05 | wols_ | how does one enable ctrl+c? in my new squeeze install on my laptop, ctrl+c does nothing except print pretty "^C" on the screen |
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| 06:42.19 | wols_ | why do you need confirmation of your sources.list? |
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| 06:44.23 | cvenomz | so widening the netmask would just allow for more machines on the same subnet, and I would still have the same problem regarding the router NATing packets from other subnets, correct? |
| 06:44.39 | Bushmills | what other subnets? |
| 06:44.53 | cvenomz | well, if there were any |
| 06:45.20 | Bushmills | probably. |
| 06:45.27 | Bushmills | are there any? |
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| 06:46.40 | cvenomz | no. I wanted to confirm that the idea to consolidate to one subnet was because of the isp router not NATing machines from other subnets |
| 06:47.03 | Bushmills | you confirm that idea with hypothetical other subnets? |
| 06:48.15 | cvenomz | yes, that is my set up right now |
| 06:48.16 | Bushmills | to really confirm, you could *narrow* subnet, so that debian router ip address is outside, and then check whether it can still ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 06:48.48 | cvenomz | ok, ill try that |
| 06:50.19 | cvenomz | @wols: is 'stty' what you are looking for? something like 'stty stop ^C' or 'stty kill ^C'. I forget what ^C equates to |
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| 06:53.16 | wols_ | probably. thanks. tho I don't understand why it isn't working by default, as it always used to |
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| 06:57.55 | Bushmills | wow. packet maintainers in update frenzy. |
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| 06:58.06 | Nu^253r | hi, can i install xfce4.8 from source? or should i wait for it to be released as .deb package?! |
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| 06:59.57 | wols_ | ,versions xfce |
| 06:59.57 | dudz_ | Nu^253r, you can do whatever you want |
| 06:59.58 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'xfce' was found in i386. |
| 07:00.04 | Bushmills | xfce4 |
| 07:00.08 | wols_ | ,versions xfce4 |
| 07:00.09 | judd | Package xfce4 on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2.1; lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.6.2; sid: 4.8.0.2; wheezy: 4.8.0.2 |
| 07:00.25 | wols_ | Nu^253r: do a backport |
| 07:00.51 | Nu^253r | dudz_ `' i mean will it be stable, im still kinda to debian, |
| 07:01.00 | Nu^253r | it hasnt even been a month |
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| 07:01.40 | somiaj | Nu^253r: it should be able to compile against the stable libs just fine. /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 07:03.29 | Nu^253r | im scared of trying it and like have core meltdown |
| 07:03.37 | Bushmills | Nu^253r: you probably can't speak of a package being "stable" if it can be found in sid only - though that depends a lot of your understanding of "stable" |
| 07:03.49 | Bushmills | oh. in wheezy too. |
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| 07:05.43 | Bushmills | if you mean to to ask "will it crash a lot", the answer is probalby "no" |
| 07:06.36 | somiaj | Nu^253r: worse that is going to happen is you compile a bad binary for the xface package which means it will just crash. You can always install an olderversion of the package -- hence the backport preference. Follow the instuctions in that factoid I sent you to. |
| 07:06.53 | somiaj | Nu^253r: but most likely it will work just fine. |
| 07:07.10 | Bushmills | but your idea of "stable" could also be "will its sources be updated frequently" which is more likely. |
| 07:07.15 | cvenomz | ok, just tested another round |
| 07:07.26 | Bushmills | ehm... *not frequently* |
| 07:07.34 | Bushmills | and "unlikely" :) |
| 07:07.53 | cvenomz | intriguing results, machines behind debian router can now ping externally |
| 07:08.18 | cvenomz | but machines not behind debian router may not ping machines behind debian router |
| 07:08.31 | Nu^253r | thanx for your help and time |
| 07:08.39 | somiaj | sounds like your iptables and/or routes aren't configured correctally for what you want |
| 07:08.57 | somiaj | cvenomz: did you just setup a dmasq nat in iptables for your router? |
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| 07:09.05 | somiaj | sorry masqing nat |
| 07:09.09 | Bushmills | cvenomz: debian router is dhcp client of isp router? |
| 07:09.46 | cvenomz | @somaij: no @Bushmills: static ip |
| 07:10.19 | Bushmills | however. packets from interfaces between debian router and isp router are now probably NAT'ted and sent through isp router |
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| 07:10.46 | Bushmills | you may need extra route |
| 07:10.47 | cvenomz | I dont think they are |
| 07:12.23 | Nu^253r | oh one more thing, can i have xfce4.6 and xfce4.8 at the same time? or will there just be one? |
| 07:12.34 | Bushmills | prolly just one |
| 07:13.18 | Nu^253r | ok thanx |
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| 07:20.07 | owen1_ | wols_: tried installing linux-image-2.6 but not packages were installed. dpkg -l show me linux-image-2.6-686. but i don't see 2.6.38 anywhere |
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| 07:20.42 | owen1_ | wols_: btw, i run aptidute update after adding backports to sources.list |
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| 07:23.15 | wols_ | owen1_: is it really to hard for you to install a specific kernel version? |
| 07:23.53 | cvenomz | Bushmills, Wols, everyone else: Thanks for all your help. Now I have some general plans and ideas. Ill keep messing around with it and see what I can make it do. |
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| 07:30.19 | owen1_ | wols_: so for no success. where do u think i can find step by steps for doing that? backports.debian.ord? |
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| 07:34.09 | wols_ | owen1_: apt-cache search linux-image |grep 2.6.38 choose the appropriate kernel |
| 07:34.26 | wols_ | owen1_: then install it with aptitude -t backports-squeeze <package> done |
| 07:35.03 | wols_ | you will have 2 new entries in your grub2 configuration. btw: since you use a ati chip, you might also need to download the non-free ati firmware |
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| 07:38.30 | stonie | Hi all .. Anyone knows how to check tv channels for content you made? Like iPharros media-seeker - but thats mainly for tv ads. Recording everything isn't the problem, but do may i check rough-cuts against the recordings.. |
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| 07:41.38 | owen1 | got disconnected. so now i am on another machine |
| 07:42.14 | owen1 | i booted my laptop and now i see wierd white/gray screen.. |
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| 07:42.49 | wols_ | if it has an "X" cursor, then that's called X11 |
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| 07:43.03 | owen1 | no x |
| 07:43.11 | owen1 | can't even go to ttyl |
| 07:43.30 | wols_ | does your isntallation boot to X by default? |
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| 07:44.03 | owen1 | no. goes to terminal and i run startx. this time it didn't reach the terminal |
| 07:44.34 | owen1 | maybe it's the new kernel |
| 07:44.59 | wols_ | then reboot and check when the bootup text disappears and when the grey stuff comes. also check for any error messages along the way. and remember what I told you about ati firmware |
| 07:45.47 | owen1 | wols_: can u write it again? it was in the laptop and i lost it after rebooting. thaks! |
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| 07:46.14 | wols_ | 09:35 < wols_> you will have 2 new entries in your grub2 configuration. btw: since you use a ati chip, you might also need to download the non-free ati firmware |
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| 07:46.43 | owen1 | 'address space collision' |
| 07:47.52 | owen1 | i saw a few line before the machine froze. this was the first one. |
| 07:48.20 | wols_ | I doubt it froze |
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| 07:50.48 | owen1 | should i try 'recovery mode instead' or different line in the grub? |
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| 07:54.09 | gnarface | owen1: recovery mode is basically just single user mode |
| 07:54.56 | gnarface | i have a question about drivers. is it really 2011 and we still don't have a high-def tv capture/tuner card that has linux support? really? |
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| 07:56.39 | owen1 | gnarface: i can't login since my laptop freezez before it reaches the login screen. not sure what can i do.. |
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| 07:57.22 | owen1 | one option is to reinstall debian |
| 07:57.35 | gnarface | owen1: do you know how to edit the grub commands from within grub? you can make temporary modifications to them. the first thing you should do is remove "quiet" so you can see what the error is its halting on. by the way which one are you on? squeeze? |
| 07:58.00 | owen1 | gnarface: yeah. squeeze |
| 07:58.14 | TeddieeB | What I may suggest, if your at least half way comfortable with CLi, if you can hit grub, force runlevel 2 and see if it'll give you a prompt... |
| 07:58.51 | gnarface | owen1: what hardware, specifically? i had to add no-hlt to the command line on a p3 machine recently (don't ask why i'm using stuff that old... i just have a sick fetsh for old hardware) |
| 07:59.15 | owen1 | new thinkpad - x120e |
| 07:59.21 | gnarface | is runlevel 2 the one without graphics? |
| 07:59.28 | gnarface | i thought in debian that was runlevel 1? |
| 07:59.34 | owen1 | it worked fine except for wireless, than i tried to upgrade the kernel. |
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| 07:59.42 | TeddieeB | gnarface, some people call it Nostalgia, sounds better than sick fetish |
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| 08:00.07 | wols_ | owen1: why would you reinstall debian. you still have your 2.6.32 kernel |
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| 08:00.35 | owen1 | wols_: not sure how to type commands..i can't do anything right now |
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| 08:00.47 | TeddieeB | I believe both 1 & 2 are Command Line only, there are some variances, single user or multi-login support and such, I believe 2 would be preferable though I forget my Runlevel numbers at times |
| 08:00.48 | owen1 | i stare at a gray screen |
| 08:01.02 | wols_ | owen1: there is no reason to "type commands". your grub boot menu shows at least for options: two times 2.6.38 and 2 times 2.6.32 |
| 08:01.05 | gnarface | owen1: what he's saying is select your old kernel from the grub menu. it should still work unless you removed it. |
| 08:01.18 | owen1 | oh. ok |
| 08:01.20 | owen1 | let me try |
| 08:01.40 | wols_ | runlevel 1 is single user mode, 2 is multiuser mode. others (3-5) are basically unused by default |
| 08:01.55 | wols_ | runlevel 2 can be graphical or not, depending on installed packages |
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| 08:02.27 | TeddieeB | thats what I thought wols_, if I recall 5 or 6 specifies GUI support right? |
| 08:02.49 | owen1 | wols_: ok. x is back. great. |
| 08:02.54 | wols_ | TeddieeB: as I told you: no they don't. 5 is unused |
| 08:02.58 | gnarface | TeddieeB: that's what i used to think too but no. gui mode or no gui mode isn't tied to a runlevel in debian like it is in redhat derivatives |
| 08:03.00 | wols_ | and runlevel 6 is shutdown |
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| 08:03.24 | gnarface | in *redhat* the runlevels DO imply whether to start the gui or not |
| 08:03.36 | gnarface | or at least did 6 or 7 years ago when i last touched redhat |
| 08:04.03 | wols_ | exactly. so it was in debian. I don't use RH myeelf but I think they changed too, so no more runlevel 5 either |
| 08:04.06 | owen1 | wols_: should i look for non-free ati firmware, or is there something else i should do? |
| 08:04.07 | TeddieeB | ahh, see I got my LPIC studdies mixed up, so Red Hat derivatives have those specifications but not Debian derivatives |
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| 08:04.49 | wols_ | owen1: not using framebuffer is a start |
| 08:05.07 | gnarface | owen1: well if you have an ati card that needs it, you should for sure get it. do you have contrib and non-free enabled in your sources.list? |
| 08:05.24 | gnarface | owen1: although its weird to me that this would be a problem with the newer kernel if it was firmware related.... |
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| 08:05.53 | TeddieeB | I'll have to play with it for Red Hat, I *did* have a CentOS VM which may still be on my desktop, I have been trying to study for LPI but have predominantly used Debian so am less knowledgeable on Red Hat derivatives, though I need to be |
| 08:06.22 | wols_ | gnarface: it's not weird. it had pretty much the same problem with my gma4500/ati 3470 switchable graphics laptop when installing the backports kernel 2.6.38 |
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| 08:07.06 | owen1 | wols_: this is my sources.list. can u tell me if it's fine? https://gist.github.com/971999 |
| 08:07.15 | wols_ | probably a bug in the backports kernel. squeeze kernel works fine without firmware or such, backports doesn't. and don't get me started on X11 when switchable graphics is enanbled in BIOS: always locks up, even X -configure |
| 08:07.15 | gnarface | what happened wols_ ... did it uninstall the old firmware? or fail to associate it with the new kernel or what? |
| 08:07.33 | wols_ | owen1: what is your obsession with your sources.list? see a shrink about that! |
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| 08:07.58 | owen1 | wols_: sorry. gnarface was asking about it (-: |
| 08:08.00 | wols_ | gnarface: the firmware wasn't installed, it's non-free after all. but the kernel needs the firmware or you get a blank screen |
| 08:08.18 | owen1 | i mistakenly sent it to you.. |
| 08:08.36 | wols_ | so after a firmware install it was all fine.however owen1 has a thinkpad x120e, with a radeon 6310. dunno where the firmware for that is found |
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| 08:09.16 | gnarface | they're not all in the same package? |
| 08:09.37 | owen1 | wols_: r u sure about the radeon? |
| 08:09.50 | wols_ | owen1: get the firmware-linux-nonfree from sid |
| 08:09.56 | wols_ | owen1: yes I am |
| 08:10.24 | wols_ | gnarface: remember when squeeze was frozen, and remember when the fusion APUs from AMD became available. do the math |
| 08:10.24 | owen1 | wols_: googling.. |
| 08:10.38 | wols_ | owen1: no need to google. packages.debian.org is where you get it |
| 08:10.55 | owen1 | ok |
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| 08:12.13 | wols_ | ok, backports kernel is very buggy :( |
| 08:12.49 | TeddieeB | so if RunLevel nolonger defines GUI support, and you want to force a system to drop to a shell instead of loading a GUI, what would you pass? I vaguely remember an init 3 command that did such for me before, allowed me to change root password without credentials |
| 08:13.12 | wols_ | Tom01: you can boot recovery mode |
| 08:13.25 | owen1 | wols_: is this the page i need? http://packages.debian.org/sid/firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 08:13.46 | wols_ | or you can add init=/bin/bash to your kernel parameters and you get a simple bash shell, are root and don't need to login |
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| 08:14.39 | TeddieeB | hehe, got you wols, see and thats why one should password protect their Grub |
| 08:14.40 | wols_ | owen1: yes. note how the text talks about radeon 6300 family firmware. yours is a radeon 6310, so it should be covered |
| 08:14.57 | wols_ | TeddieeB: and what will that do? it's utterly useless |
| 08:15.11 | TeddieeB | it's a root bash shell |
| 08:15.15 | wols_ | if you want security, you use LUKS, truecrypt, etc. anything else is just a waste of time |
| 08:15.19 | TeddieeB | if you know your CLi your god |
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| 08:16.10 | TeddieeB | you can add a password to Grub which would be required to edit the boot lines |
| 08:19.41 | gnarface | its still weak |
| 08:19.52 | gnarface | if your'e serious about security you get it through building security |
| 08:20.07 | gnarface | if you're half serious you put in a BIOS password and encrypt all the storage media at a low level |
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| 08:20.28 | gnarface | but that's still not gonna save a booted system from a usb/firewire key virus... so you better remove those with pliers |
| 08:20.51 | TeddieeB | well BIOS password is only useful in laptops. it's just too easy to do a CMOS reset in desktop systems... at least laptops are a pain to take apart |
| 08:21.05 | gnarface | true |
| 08:21.26 | home-alone | Hi....I am using default gnome DE right now how can I change it to some other DE...??? like KDE or LXDE...??? |
| 08:21.44 | TeddieeB | and I could see possibly being able to take say a Live distro, useing it's grub to pass arguments to the OS on disk, though that would be beyond my skill level |
| 08:22.04 | wols_ | home-alone: just install it |
| 08:23.24 | TeddieeB | encrypting an OS partition is just a royal PITA, I really dunno that I would need to go that far. I have some encrypted data partitions for actual data, but if your to the point that someone could have potentially had full access to the system and tampered with OS, just format the OS |
| 08:23.31 | home-alone | How to install it and how to un-install existing DE...??? |
| 08:24.03 | wols_ | home-alone: you install it like any other packge |
| 08:24.03 | gnarface | is there an aptitude/apt-get tutorial link in dpkg? |
| 08:24.10 | gnarface | !aptitude |
| 08:24.10 | dpkg | it has been said that aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude docs> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
| 08:24.16 | wols_ | and you don't need to uninstall gnome, but if you want to, /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 08:24.17 | gnarface | there we go |
| 08:24.25 | gnarface | home-alone: read dpkg's message |
| 08:24.48 | gnarface | home-alone: also apt-get probably |
| 08:24.49 | gnarface | !apt-get |
| 08:24.49 | dpkg | apt-get is a program (part of the apt package) used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the original frontend for <apt> but <aptitude> is now the recommended tool for managing packages. See also <why aptitude>, <reference>, <synaptic>, <apt-cache>, <gdebi>. http://wiki.debian.org/apt-get |
| 08:25.00 | owen1 | installed. do i need to reboot and choose the new kernel from grub? |
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| 08:25.21 | gnarface | owen1: usually, yes. |
| 08:25.44 | wols_ | owen1: it's kinda hard to run another kernel otherwise. kexec notwithgstanding which debian kernels afaik don't support |
| 08:26.18 | gnarface | kexec is still experimental right? |
| 08:26.21 | TeddieeB | I never have understood the existence of Aptitude, I generally don't like front ends in the first place because they change too much, but even apt can change, just less likely too, I have yet to see something that aptitude does that I can't do by passing apt or dpkg commands |
| 08:26.42 | wols_ | TeddieeB: good conflict resolution |
| 08:26.49 | gnarface | TeddieeB: that's all the point to aptitude is... just "smarter" conflict resolution |
| 08:26.53 | wols_ | and you don't need apt |
| 08:27.09 | home-alone | well if I do apt-get install lxde should it work...??? |
| 08:27.19 | gnarface | i still prefer apt-get myself. i only turn to aptitude to compare its default suggestions to apt-get when i get confused about what apt-get is freaking out about |
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| 08:27.38 | TeddieeB | I use to use Adept, and then that disappeared due to changes in the OS, and I couldn't stand Synaptic, and I was like screw this, and I studied apt |
| 08:27.59 | TimmyT | I want to split a 200 MB file into 10 .tar archives and I don't want to do this by "split" command. Is there any capacity in "tar" command for splitting archives? |
| 08:28.02 | TeddieeB | aptitude is just a front end for apt, all it does is pass apt and dpkg commands on the back end |
| 08:28.04 | gnarface | home-alone: check your home directory for a ~/.xinitrc file. you can always use that to override your default system window manager. i think there's a proper way to set the system global default but i never bother |
| 08:28.45 | gnarface | TimmyT: yes there is actually but i can't recall the syntax off the top of my head |
| 08:29.14 | wols_ | home-alone: yes. provided your display manager can switch between WMs or DEs. |
| 08:29.34 | gnarface | avoids display managers |
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| 08:30.32 | home-alone | OK thank you for your time . |
| 08:32.17 | owen1 | wols_: good news! i see wlan0 in iwconfig. it say 'not-associated' though |
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| 08:34.07 | wols_ | owen1: add the ssid of your AP and the WPA-PSK password in /etc/network/interfaces then |
| 08:34.56 | owen1 | wols_: eventhough i use wicd-curses. just to let u know, in wicd i see 'no wireless networks found' |
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| 08:35.57 | TimmyT | gnarface: I didn't undrastand what you said. what did you mean? |
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| 08:36.43 | gnarface | TimmyT: tar has the functionality you want |
| 08:37.30 | ectospasm | I need to set the umask for numbered devices in /dev/pts. I have a number of users that need to run screen sessions, and I thought the fix would be to add all of them to the tty group. However, it seems these devices get created dynamically, and they're generally not group rw. Where's the proper place to set the permissions for these devices to 660? |
| 08:37.39 | TimmyT | gnarface: well, that's a good news. But what is that? |
| 08:37.44 | owen1 | wols_: iwlist scanning shows: network is down. don't tell me. i remember there is a way to 'up' the network. |
| 08:38.39 | gnarface | TimmyT: i don't remember :( |
| 08:39.00 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.08 | TimmyT | gnarface: Good news again :p |
| 08:39.17 | wols_ | -L, --tape-length N sounds promising |
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| 08:39.46 | gnarface | i've done it before i just don't remember how. i recall having to read the info page because the man page was useless |
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| 08:55.25 | owen1 | wols_: ok, i failed to find a solution. u suggested to add my ssid and password in interfaces file so i'll try that. |
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| 08:55.48 | judgen | in what repo is the latest wine? testing? |
| 08:56.11 | cahoot | ,versions wine |
| 08:56.12 | judd | Package wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-3.1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.0.1-3.1; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
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| 08:56.51 | judgen | i would like to have 1.3.20 |
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| 08:57.43 | nviror | How to downgrade APC? |
| 08:59.21 | wols_ | !downgrade |
| 08:59.21 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 08:59.56 | judgen | is it possible to use "http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/" somehow through apt? |
| 09:00.16 | wols_ | of course it is |
| 09:00.30 | nviror | dpkg, I installed it via PECL |
| 09:00.30 | dpkg | nviror: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 09:00.50 | wols_ | nviror: dpkg is a bot |
| 09:01.02 | judgen | wols_, how would i add it to the sources.list |
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| 09:01.38 | judgen | downloading the packages and using dpkg -i on them just results in broken dependencies |
| 09:02.25 | cahoot | judgen: whate version of debian do you run atm? |
| 09:03.15 | wols_ | judgen: if you can't fix such trivial dependency errors yourself, you might not be the audience for alpha quality packages |
| 09:03.28 | judgen | cahoot, sid |
| 09:03.28 | wols_ | and I was mistaken. see 2nd to last note on that page |
| 09:03.40 | wols_ | gets the popcorn |
| 09:04.06 | judgen | wols_, Yes that might be the case. But the version in the repos are ancient. |
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| 09:05.07 | wols_ | !tell judgen about sid |
| 09:06.04 | judgen | rather aptosid. |
| 09:06.48 | wols_ | judgen: we only support debian, sorry. ask the aptosid folks for support |
| 09:07.42 | judgen | wols_, Is not aptosid just debian with some custom tweaks... they both use the debian repos. |
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| 09:08.10 | wols_ | no. aptosid is a distro "based on debian" it is NOT debian, and hence not supported here |
| 09:08.14 | wols_ | !based on debian |
| 09:08.14 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 09:12.57 | Tobias| | Is there much of a learning curve involved in trying out debian kfreebsd? |
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| 09:13.13 | Tobias| | or, in migrating to it from conventional debian |
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| 09:13.59 | Bushmills | judgen: even if aptosid was debian, it'd be debian sid, which is not supported |
| 09:14.08 | Bushmills | !sid |
| 09:14.08 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian, but in #debian-next on irc.debian.org. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 09:15.09 | Bushmills | (can't keep up with the multitude of breaking potential and causes on a support channel) |
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| 09:18.06 | macrobat | Tobias|: why not install it in parallell with vanilla linux debian and see for yourself :D |
| 09:18.56 | judgen | ok i thank you for your support so far. |
| 09:19.01 | judgen | You guys are great |
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| 09:20.16 | ectospasm | looks like defining devpts in fstab is the way to go. |
| 09:20.19 | wols_ | Tobias|: install it in a VM |
| 09:21.02 | owen1 | wols_: here is my interfaces file - https://gist.github.com/972065 i try ifup wlan0 but get: network is down |
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| 09:23.15 | wols_ | check your kernel log if it needs a firmware |
| 09:26.05 | owen1 | now when i type 'ifup wlan0' i get: interface wlan0 already configured |
| 09:26.30 | owen1 | wols_: kern.log show: eth0: link down |
| 09:26.41 | owen1 | eth0: link is not ready |
| 09:26.52 | cahoot | owen1: unload/reload the module and checka the last 10-20 lines of dmesg for any complaints |
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| 09:28.37 | owen1 | cahoot: what is a module and how to unload/reload it? |
| 09:29.42 | cahoot | owen1: the 'driver', modprobe -r <modulename>; modprobe <modulename>; dmesg|tail -20 |
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| 09:33.21 | owen1 | cahoot: i appologize but even after googling i could not understand what should be instead of <modulename> |
| 09:34.02 | owen1 | the only thing i got is what modprobe is - add kernel modules |
| 09:34.13 | ectospasm | is there a way to make sure fstab is syntactically correct without remounting everything or rebooting? |
| 09:34.23 | owen1 | (still not sure about the definition of a module though{ |
| 09:35.25 | ectospasm | owen1: in terms of kernel modules, a module is a binary blob of kernel driver code, that allows the kernel to talk to whatever device that module serves |
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| 09:35.48 | ectospasm | so, in your case the module would probably be a module to talk to your wireless chip/radio |
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| 09:36.57 | owen1 | ectospasm: nice. how do i find the name of my wireless module? |
| 09:37.14 | cahoot | lspci -k | grep -iA2 net |
| 09:37.28 | ectospasm | there ya go |
| 09:37.37 | ectospasm | I hardly ever use -k to lspci |
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| 09:37.54 | ectospasm | ...but I deal with hardware that I already know the kernel driver for it |
| 09:39.02 | owen1 | cahoot: my guess is this: rtl18192ce |
| 09:39.20 | owen1 | let me try to unload and load it |
| 09:39.38 | cahoot | owen1: so try modprobe -r rtl18192ce ; modprobe rtl18192ce ; dmesg|tail -20 |
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| 09:41.04 | owen1 | cahoot: wireless switch is off |
| 09:41.10 | owen1 | interesting |
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| 09:41.44 | cahoot | physical switch to toggle? |
| 09:41.58 | owen1 | failed to equest firmware |
| 09:42.16 | cahoot | ok so you at least need firmware |
| 09:42.17 | owen1 | cahoot: maybe. not sure where is it.. |
| 09:42.20 | wols_ | cahoot: thinkpad x120e |
| 09:42.35 | cahoot | wols_: doesn't make me wiser |
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| 09:45.52 | cahoot | owen1: seems you need firmware-realtek from non-free |
| 09:46.00 | Oak | hi, any experienced Debian user here who can answer a question I have in pm? |
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| 09:46.20 | owen1 | cahoot: let me try |
| 09:47.24 | cahoot | owen1: http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 09:47.30 | owen1 | cahoot: when i do 'aptitude search' i see that it's already installed |
| 09:48.07 | owen1 | cahoot: yeah. that's where i started. a few hours ago.. |
| 09:48.24 | owen1 | since than i was adviced to upgrade my kernel, |
| 09:48.49 | owen1 | and install non-free ati firmware |
| 09:48.56 | wols_ | cahoot: the firmware-realtek doesn't have the firmware for his card |
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| 09:49.33 | cahoot | that would explain it - so we're running in circles here I take it |
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| 09:51.23 | wols_ | not really. thinkwiki knows help. rtl8192cfw.bin firmware from http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/dwmw2/linux-firmware.git;a=tree;f=rtlwifi;h=11251e0c39e90a9b1999bbd9097bf958a7331735;hb=HEAD supposedly works |
| 09:52.04 | wols_ | http://us.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkPad_11b/g/n_Wireless_LAN_Mini-PCI_Express_Adapter_III |
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| 09:53.21 | flupps | I'm having an issue with getting throughput to acceptable levels for a SCSI drive I just put in. I'm using a PCI SCSI card with a LSI chip and a 15krpm Seagate drive, nothing listed in any log would indicate there's a physical problem, and I get better rates on another system (~30Mb/s read on the other system vs. ~2Mb/s on the current). Not really sure where to start looking, any pointer in a good direction would be great |
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| 09:54.07 | wols_ | flupps: your dmesg output |
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| 09:54.49 | babilen | Oak: Just ask it in the channel |
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| 09:55.38 | Oak | need to ask expert opinion on http://mikehearn.wordpress.com/2006/03/08/on-forks/ and http://blog.sillica.com/2008/06/11/debian-troubling-signs-can-slackware-teach-us-anything/ |
| 09:55.48 | Oak | what's it all about? |
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| 09:57.36 | wols_ | as the helpful dates in thoes URLs tell you: it's all about ancient history |
| 09:58.16 | flupps | wols_: http://pastebin.com/kBZuf5UU |
| 09:58.21 | flupps | wols_: I think that's all related info |
| 09:58.24 | RIMAL | hello, i burned an iso image to a cd. but after the burning,when i opened the disk,the disk is empty.i used k3b for burning.burning was a successful one. |
| 09:58.44 | Oak | history matters. and 2008 is not that ancient. |
| 09:59.06 | owen1 | wols_: is there anything insightful for me from the links u sent? |
| 09:59.24 | wols_ | owen1: yes |
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| 10:00.58 | sickgut | SIOCADDRT: File exists |
| 10:01.15 | babilen | Oak: Apparently it is about forks (that will not go away) and their security implications. What do you need to know? |
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| 10:06.34 | owen1 | wols_: "if you are running a recent stable kernel, build only the drivers from the compat-wireless branch." I assume that's relevant to me since i use 2.6.38. looking into this. thanks |
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| 10:11.11 | wols_ | owen1: it's not relevant to you at all. you do want a firmware file, not a driver. you already have a driver |
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| 10:13.26 | sickgut | SIOCADDRT: File exists |
| 10:13.50 | sickgut | ^^ i get this when trying to run a ifupcommand to activate a network connection |
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| 10:15.03 | RIMAL | hello, i burned an iso image to a cd. but after the burning,when i opened the disk,the disk is empty.i used k3b for burning.burning was a successful one.what shall i do? |
| 10:16.43 | owen1 | wols_: ok. so i assume i need to download one of the files here - http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/dwmw2/linux-firmware.git;a=tree;f=rtlwifi;h=11251e0c39e90a9b1999bbd9097bf958a7331735;hb=HEAD i see links to blob. which of them is the one for me/ |
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| 10:17.53 | wols_ | sickgut: does the interface actually exist? |
| 10:18.11 | sickgut | in ifconfig its refered to as ra0 |